1000591;1422748829;*;danielpbarron still has 2 un-opened pogos
1000592;1422748856;asciilifeform;danielpbarron: repopulate the ports in at least one
1000593;1422748865;asciilifeform;danielpbarron: very hard to do serious dev work w/out console
1000594;1422748879;asciilifeform;(see old thread for where/what/how)
1000595;1422748898;asciilifeform;at the minimum, you will need to solder 3 contacts (rx, tx, gnd)
1000596;1422748925;asciilifeform;signal is ttl level, not rs232 though
1000597;1422748938;danielpbarron;just gotta learn how to solder :p
1000598;1422748943;danielpbarron;luckily, i know a guy
1000599;1422748965;asciilifeform;you will need one of these http://bb.osmocom.org/trac/wiki/Hardware/CP210xTutorial or equivalent.
1000600;1422748966;assbot;      Hardware/CP210xTutorial – OsmocomBB     ... ( http://bit.ly/1DrWsso )
1000601;1422748974;*;asciilifeform has ^
1000602;1422748994;asciilifeform;even if your machine has an actual serial port.
1000603;1422749015;asciilifeform;(the latter have rs232 logic levels. will cook a gadget that expects 0/5v)
1000604;1422749055;cazalla;mircea_popescu, what i don't get is that on reddit, you see the idea of a paywall and microtransactions always discussed as bitcoin's killer app and yet when they come across it being implemented, they cry scam
1000605;1422749124;danielpbarron;if done in node.js -> not scam
1000606;1422749203;*;asciilifeform believed, at one point, that the existence of braindamaged programming languages is not a total evil, as they draw mentally defective folks away from actual programming. but, after reading, e.g., the work of the 'power rangers', - is not so sure.
1000607;1422750375;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 42615 @ 0.00036859 = 15.7075 BTC [+]
1000608;1422750579;scoopbot;New post on Qntra.net by cazalla: http://qntra.net/2015/02/qntra-s-qntr-january-2015-statement/
1000609;1422750753;BingoBoingo;Slow month
1000610;1422750772;BingoBoingo;Except for eyeballs
1000611;1422750803;cazalla;i guess so but first 2 weeks of jan were slow just as the last 2 weeks of december were
1000612;1422750839;cazalla;but i think we've also refined the type of content we publish over the past few months
1000613;1422751038;BingoBoingo;Also, puppies https://s3.amazonaws.com/static.tumblr.com/q8dfwso/cTOm7x5ih/puppies.gif
1000614;1422751041;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1HAz3Ly )
1000615;1422752013;asciilifeform;danielpbarron, anyone else having trouble with cross-compilation - 'buildroot' will build, among other necessary things, the toolchain.
1000616;1422752075;asciilifeform;('buildroot' is the ubiquitous automaton for baking small embedded linux boxen)
1000617;1422752080;ben_vulpes;;;ping
1000618;1422752081;gribble;pong
1000619;1422752103;BingoBoingo;;;kittenlasers
1000620;1422752103;gribble;Error: "kittenlasers" is not a valid command.
1000621;1422752138;danielpbarron;https://twitter.com/onthefrynge/status/561685769094320129
1000622;1422752140;assbot;Trader Life /whaleclubco http://t.co/f2Ws58HqL6
1000623;1422752176;BingoBoingo;http://www.theregister.co.uk/2015/01/31/ye_olde_laptoppe_is_back_after_byod_backlash/
1000624;1422752177;assbot;BYOD is NOT the Next Biggest Thing™: Bring me Ye Olde Lappetoppe • The Register     ... ( http://bit.ly/1uO1HO7 )
1000625;1422752179;asciilifeform;danielpbarron: reminds me of the centerfolds in knuth's aop.
1000626;1422752355;BingoBoingo;!up teward
1000627;1422752370;teward;so i learned something - assbot doesn't realize I have +2 level2 rep with it o.o
1000628;1422752375;*;teward glares at kakobrekla then says "fix the bot"
1000629;1422752381;teward;BingoBoingo: thank you kindly
1000630;1422752400;BingoBoingo;;;ident teward
1000631;1422752400;gribble;CAUTION: irc nick differs from otc registered nick. Nick 'teward', with hostmask 'teward!LordOfTime@ubuntu/member/teward', is identified as user 'TheLordOfTime', with GPG key id 406253859C1129B6, key fingerprint FE87E56959370E1989828103406253859C1129B6, and bitcoin address 1LEKacNEUzD4gStZScnG2vgkQ9HmpMz1Kp
1000632;1422752412;teward;;;gettrust assbot [ident teward]
1000633;1422752412;gribble;Currently authenticated from hostmask teward!LordOfTime@ubuntu/member/teward. CAUTION: irc nick differs from otc registered nick. Trust relationship from user assbot to user TheLordOfTime: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 2 via 2 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=assbot&dest=TheLordOfTime | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=TheLordOfTime | Rated since: Thu Mar 21 15:22:44 2013
1000634;1422752415;teward;^
1000635;1422752429;teward;assuming the bot actually checks ident of a user
1000636;1422752434;teward;if it doesn't it needs retooled
1000637;1422752446;BingoBoingo;!gettrust assbot teward
1000638;1422752447;assbot;Trust relationship from user assbot to user teward: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. | http://w.b-a.link/trust/assbot/teward | http://w.b-a.link/user/teward
1000639;1422752454;teward;BingoBoingo: teward being my altnick
1000640;1422752457;teward;this *used* to work actually
1000641;1422752464;BingoBoingo;!gettrust assbot LordofTime
1000642;1422752464;assbot;LordofTime is not registered in WoT.
1000643;1422752475;teward;TheLordOfTime
1000644;1422752478;teward;check my ident
1000645;1422752485;teward;;;ident
1000646;1422752485;gribble;CAUTION: irc nick differs from otc registered nick. Nick 'teward', with hostmask 'teward!LordOfTime@ubuntu/member/teward', is identified as user 'TheLordOfTime', with GPG key id 406253859C1129B6, key fingerprint FE87E56959370E1989828103406253859C1129B6, and bitcoin address 1LEKacNEUzD4gStZScnG2vgkQ9HmpMz1Kp
1000647;1422752493;BingoBoingo;!gettrust assbot TheLordOfTime
1000648;1422752494;assbot;Trust relationship from user assbot to user TheLordOfTime: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 2 via 2 connections. | http://w.b-a.link/trust/assbot/TheLordOfTime | http://w.b-a.link/user/TheLordOfTime
1000649;1422752510;BingoBoingo;teward: You should be able to !up under that name
1000650;1422752529;asciilifeform;anybody here ever try 'hoard' ?
1000651;1422752533;teward;BingoBoingo: and it says I can't
1000652;1422752534;asciilifeform;http://people.cs.umass.edu/~emery/hoard/hoard-documentation.html
1000653;1422752535;assbot;The Hoard Memory Allocator ... ( http://bit.ly/1uO2yhV )
1000654;1422752547;teward;BingoBoingo:
1000655;1422752547;teward;[15/01/31 19:56:11] <teward> !up
1000656;1422752547;teward;[15/01/31 19:56:12] <assbot> You need a better WoT rating for self-up. (level 2 with assbot >0)
1000657;1422752552;teward;as i said, the bot is broke
1000658;1422752557;BingoBoingo;teward: Have you tried wearing that nick while asking assbot !up
1000659;1422752566;teward;BingoBoingo: can't - 150+ channels would be screaming
1000660;1422752625;BingoBoingo;Now what happens when !up
1000661;1422752625;BingoBoingo;!up TheLordOfTime
1000662;1422752638;Guest18566;BingoBoingo: NOW it wants me to auth with it...
1000663;1422752642;Guest18566;wtf i ident'd
1000664;1422752669;asciilifeform;incidentally, classic: http://harmful.cat-v.org/software/c++/linus
1000665;1422752670;assbot;Linus Torvalds on C++ ... ( http://bit.ly/1uO2Pl2 )
1000666;1422752674;Guest18566;wait
1000667;1422752675;BingoBoingo;You ident directly with assbot nao. Because of gribble's vacation http://wiki.bitcoin-assets.com/irc_bots/assbot
1000668;1422752676;assbot;irc_bots:assbot [bitcoin assets wiki] ... ( http://bit.ly/1zIPF03 )
1000669;1422752682;Guest18566;BigBitz: someone stole my nick...
1000670;1422752684;Guest18566;this is a problem
1000671;1422752698;BingoBoingo;It sounds like lots of problems
1000672;1422752709;Guest18566;BingoBoingo: [15/01/31 20:04:47] -NickServ- Information on thelordoftime (account thetimelord):  <-- musta expired
1000673;1422752714;asciilifeform;'In other words: the choice of C is the only sane choice. I know Miles Bader jokingly said "to piss you off", but it's actually true. I've come to the conclusion that any programmer that would prefer the project to be in C++ over C is likely a programmer that I really *would* prefer to piss off, so that he doesn't come and screw up any project I'm involved with.'
1000674;1422752718;teward;BingoBoingo: sounds like I need to rape freenode with a stick again
1000675;1422752729;asciilifeform;^ linus understood that language is a people-filter, just like gpg etc
1000676;1422752745;teward;BingoBoingo: if that's a new thing, then the webpage needs updated
1000677;1422752749;teward;and i'll yell at kakobrekla later
1000678;1422752766;teward;can't auth as a nick that was stolen from me
1000679;1422752768;kakobrekla;no need to wait.
1000680;1422752815;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27650 @ 0.00037089 = 10.2551 BTC [+]
1000681;1422752819;teward;kakobrekla: unfortunately TheLordOfTime, my gribble auth nick, is stolen - must have expired and been taken
1000682;1422752822;teward;but now i can't !up
1000683;1422752829;teward;since !up now binds to your own auth mech
1000684;1422752835;teward;rather than gribble auth
1000685;1422752861;teward;and since the nick i auth up as in otc was taken, there's a problem
1000686;1422752895;teward;got the pgp key for 'teward' but if your bot fails to recognize master/alt nicks... well...
1000687;1422752907;teward;yer gonna have people like me bringing hell
1000688;1422752925;kakobrekla;how?
1000689;1422752953;teward;kakobrekla: probably nickserv expiry - haven't used that nick in eons
1000690;1422752962;teward;but 9 weeks ago was when it was 'registered' by someone
1000691;1422752972;teward;tryin to hunt down an irc staffer to figure out what happened
1000692;1422753032;kakobrekla;2 options, new asswot handle or change of nick in asswot. re second one im not sure; http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=30-01-2015#998953
1000693;1422753032;assbot;Logged on 30-01-2015 21:27:59; kakobrekla: i know changing names is not a good practice, but perhaps for the sake of sync we could allow to update your name once (given properly signed request from adequate gpg key)
1000694;1422753075;punkman;why not optional wotnick parameter when using commands?
1000695;1422753138;kakobrekla;because split personalities belong to #bitcoin-insane-asylum
1000696;1422753146;asciilifeform;!b 2
1000697;1422753147;assbot;Last 2 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/203THVZ.txt )
1000698;1422753205;oglafbot;http://oglaf.com/assorted-fruits/
1000699;1422753206;assbot;Assorted Fruits of Wrath ... ( http://bit.ly/16ddkZJ )
1000700;1422753732;BingoBoingo;;;ticker --market all
1000701;1422753743;gribble;Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 219.89, vol: 19331.99594995 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 214.25, vol: 9648.99936 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 217.65, vol: 50514.45642919 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 216.9872, vol: 202498.01690000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 216.14762, vol: 13.85219609 | Bitcoin-Central BTCUSD last: 231.3425, vol: 106.73912136 | Volume-weighted last average: 217.216565742
1000702;1422753913;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 59841 @ 0.00037247 = 22.289 BTC [+] {2} 
1000703;1422754117;BingoBoingo;!up flibbr
1000704;1422754706;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 6688 @ 0.00097658 = 6.5314 BTC [+] {12} 
1000705;1422754767;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 2030 @ 0.00098946 = 2.0086 BTC [+] {3} 
1000706;1422755043;mircea_popescu;!up teward
1000707;1422755043;mircea_popescu;!up flibbr
1000708;1422755437;danielpbarron;hi flibbr
1000709;1422755439;mircea_popescu;cazalla pretty lulzy, that.
1000710;1422755439;mircea_popescu;!up CryptoGoon
1000711;1422755439;mircea_popescu;!up teward
1000712;1422755439;mircea_popescu;!gettrust assbot teward
1000713;1422755439;assbot;Trust relationship from user assbot to user teward: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. | http://w.b-a.link/trust/assbot/teward | http://w.b-a.link/user/teward
1000714;1422755469;flibbr;hi
1000715;1422755526;danielpbarron;!gettrust flibbr
1000716;1422755526;assbot;flibbr is not registered in WoT.
1000717;1422755599;mircea_popescu;!rate teward 1 freenode staff
1000718;1422755599;assbot;Request successful, get your OTP: http://w.b-a.link/otp/e67dbb5b71ef7d4f
1000719;1422755612;teward;lol freenode staff
1000720;1422755623;mircea_popescu;did i get it wrong ?
1000721;1422755633;teward;mircea_popescu: bitcoin op, perhaps, not freenode staffer :)
1000722;1422755647;teward;if i were freenode staffer cholby would be getting klined on sight every single time
1000723;1422755655;mircea_popescu;!rate teward 1 guy whose name starts with t.
1000724;1422755655;assbot;Request successful, get your OTP: http://w.b-a.link/otp/5aa1b78f8fe024e2
1000725;1422755658;teward;and then i'd have my oline revoked for overusing /kline xD
1000726;1422755685;mircea_popescu;!v assbot:mircea_popescu.rate.teward.1:fc509d9d4b7e9bcc7fa8f0b03ff66507e9f975b04b153a5a7b45e4bdf99a6b31
1000727;1422755685;assbot;Successfully added a rating of 1 for teward with note: guy whose name starts with t.
1000728;1422755697;mircea_popescu;who's chlolby
1000729;1422755706;teward;well known freenode troll/spammer/scammer/bitch
1000730;1422755713;mircea_popescu;teward now you can assbot voice, send !up in pm then !v its string
1000731;1422755758;BingoBoingo;https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/2uc77p/would_you_crowdfund_bitcoin_wireless/ << How did it take Reddit so long to cut him loose
1000732;1422755761;assbot;Would you crowdfund Bitcoin Wireless? : Bitcoin ... ( http://bit.ly/1vn45Bt )
1000733;1422755804;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 2550 @ 0.000999 = 2.5475 BTC [+] {2} 
1000734;1422755814;mircea_popescu;cazalla: but i think we've also refined the type of content we publish  << i guess that's gonna keep getting redefined, iut's what living things do.
1000735;1422755819;teward;there we go
1000736;1422755823;teward;mircea_popescu: this needs documented
1000737;1422755826;mircea_popescu;how do you freenode scam ?!
1000738;1422755830;mircea_popescu;teward "this"
1000739;1422755844;teward;mircea_popescu: the auth process for unfamiliar people :)
1000740;1422755857;*;teward was unaware of the switch to internal auth mechanisms
1000741;1422755873;teward;and 'scammer' in that he tries to impersonate staff when he's really bored
1000742;1422755874;mircea_popescu;http://wiki.bitcoin-assets.com/irc_bots/assbot
1000743;1422755875;assbot;irc_bots:assbot [bitcoin assets wiki] ... ( http://bit.ly/1vn4pjB )
1000744;1422755877;teward;ends up 'scamming' users into things
1000745;1422755882;mircea_popescu;heh
1000746;1422755923;thestringpuller;lol ryanxcharles, bitcoin should be written in node.js
1000747;1422756306;mircea_popescu;"The devs have a mandate."
1000748;1422756311;mircea_popescu;ajhahahaha dude!
1000749;1422756322;mircea_popescu;usg comedy hour is best comedy hour!
1000750;1422756368;kakobrekla;BingoBoingo https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/2uadvd/the_real_reason_ryan_charles_was_fired_from/
1000751;1422756371;assbot;The real reason Ryan Charles was fired from reddit: he spent the entire duration of his employment working on a port of bitcoin core to Javascript. : Bitcoin ... ( http://bit.ly/1vn66NU )
1000752;1422756416;BingoBoingo;kakobrekla: Yeah, just dunno how that qualifies him to say Bitcoin companie should just stop competing with each other and then dissolve when they solve their problems
1000753;1422756439;mircea_popescu;eh, kids with shoulds.
1000754;1422756460;danielpbarron;"what's your business plan?"   "to go out of business in a few years"
1000755;1422756471;danielpbarron;it's not a failure if you planned for it
1000756;1422756501;danielpbarron;didn't i read something like that already today?
1000757;1422756526;ben_vulpes;http://welcometobusinesstown.tumblr.com/
1000758;1422756528;assbot;BusinessTown ... ( http://bit.ly/1vn6CeQ )
1000759;1422756602;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: Well, that just makes him a shoulder
1000760;1422756841;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10300 @ 0.00037689 = 3.882 BTC [+]
1000761;1422757027;mats;http://www.aljazeera.com/news/europe/2015/01/greece-wil-operate-eu-imf-creditors-150131013241626.html
1000762;1422757028;assbot;Greece says it will not negotiate with EU-IMF creditors - Al Jazeera English ... ( http://bit.ly/1vn86FV )
1000763;1422757038;mircea_popescu;heh
1000764;1422757075;mircea_popescu;i hope they had a new york clause in their contract, and griesa gets to judge it
1000765;1422757086;mircea_popescu;so he can say that greece is right. unlike argentina.
1000766;1422757131;mats;i'm looking forward to the outcome of this
1000767;1422757170;mats;will any others develop the courage to leave the EU? huhu
1000768;1422757171;mircea_popescu;me too
1000769;1422757301;mats;asciilifeform: any recommendations for a logic analyzer? preferably something sub $1k
1000770;1422757330;asciilifeform;mats: 'rigol' ds1102d
1000771;1422757347;mats;thanks
1000772;1422757357;asciilifeform;if you -just- need logic analyzer, not scope,
1000773;1422757372;asciilifeform;theer is an 'open bench logic sniffer' (more or less naked fpga, ~50 usd)
1000774;1422757373;asciilifeform;but
1000775;1422757381;asciilifeform;afaik nobody's written any usable proggy for it
1000776;1422757389;asciilifeform;(author shat out a steaming java heap)
1000777;1422757435;asciilifeform;if you can spare ~1k usd, get the 'rigol'
1000778;1422757437;asciilifeform;it wurks.
1000779;1422757442;mats;i've heard good things about saleae logic, have you used it?
1000780;1422757466;mats;software is described as high quality.
1000781;1422757507;asciilifeform;slow
1000782;1422757527;asciilifeform;no, haven't used it, can't see why pay real money for ~25MHz ceiling
1000783;1422757557;asciilifeform;vendor also seems to say it is out of print.
1000784;1422757561;asciilifeform;https://www.saleae.com/logic
1000785;1422757562;assbot;Saleae Logic. The logic analyzer you'll love to use. ... ( http://bit.ly/1vn9N6l )
1000786;1422757568;asciilifeform;'This product is no longer available for purchase'
1000787;1422757634;asciilifeform;and is that a closed-source turd i see.
1000788;1422757682;mats;hm.
1000789;1422757768;asciilifeform;if all you need is something that will decode, e.g., spi, at a few 100 kHz, get the ubiquitous 'bus pirate'
1000790;1422757773;mats;closed-source seems normal from the researching ive done
1000791;1422757796;asciilifeform;winblows-only is also 'normal'
1000792;1422757827;asciilifeform;but it is possible to get decent (if not 'mazerati'-grade) instrumentation without swallowing winblows
1000793;1422757835;asciilifeform;'rigol' for instance
1000794;1422757939;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 53200 @ 0.00037689 = 20.0505 BTC [+]
1000795;1422758327;danielpbarron;!up onewhosits
1000796;1422758396;onewhosits;what are some BTC predictions for this coming week?
1000797;1422758455;mats;try #bitcoin-pricetalk
1000798;1422758469;onewhosits;Thanks bro
1000799;1422758492;danielpbarron;onewhosits, who are you?
1000800;1422758510;onewhosits;new
1000801;1422758675;danielpbarron;onewhosits, you know about the WoT yet?
1000802;1422758722;onewhosits;no sir, google brings up "world of tanks" aha
1000803;1422758754;danielpbarron;http://wiki.bitcoin-assets.com/wot_and_reputation
1000804;1422758754;assbot;wot_and_reputation [bitcoin assets wiki] ... ( http://bit.ly/1ymkz8C )
1000805;1422758955;onewhosits;thanks friend
1000806;1422758983;BingoBoingo;onewhosits:  Another important step is getting a cloak and moving off of webchat cloak
1000807;1422759000;BingoBoingo;Hides your IP, because it is hard to tell when DoS bot will return
1000808;1422759103;BingoBoingo;So... of all people newbie distro Linux mint if holding off on any systemd for two years http://news.softpedia.com/news/Linux-Mint-18-Will-Probably-Adopt-Systemd-470364.shtml
1000809;1422759104;assbot;Linux Mint 18 Could Adopt Systemd - Softpedia ... ( http://bit.ly/1vneQUu )
1000810;1422759191;onewhosits;oh i see. is it risky to use these channels? i run tailsos when i need to
1000811;1422759221;mats;hard to say.
1000812;1422759253;mats;i'd avoid doing anything sensitive over Tor, though
1000813;1422759283;mats;http://qntra.net/2014/11/this-onion-it-smells-inherent-hazards-of-the-tor-network
1000814;1422759284;assbot;This Onion, It Smells: Inherent Hazards of the Tor Network | Qntra.net ... ( http://bit.ly/1ymmtWw )
1000815;1422759323;mats;some curmudgeon operating an exit node could diddle your traffic.
1000816;1422759356;BingoBoingo;onewhosits: More just some vandal has a bot that lurks and DoS's connections as it seens them join. Cloak should be enough to defeat that. To connect with Tor you'd need a cloak anyway.
1000817;1422759379;danielpbarron;onewhosits, out of curiousity: did you verify the gpg signature on the tails installer?
1000818;1422759507;pete_dushenski;whoa what's with the chernobyl theme over at thebitcoin.foundation ?
1000819;1422759512;onewhosits;Good info friends. I'm currently using my home ip so im good. interesting though
1000820;1422759586;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 53562 @ 0.00038117 = 20.4162 BTC [+]
1000821;1422759612;onewhosits;danielpbarron. No, actually i didn't. Should've. Is there a common problem with modified tailos installs?
1000822;1422759644;danielpbarron;onewhosits, idk -- it doesn't matter anyway; the tails guys aren't in the WoT
1000823;1422759690;danielpbarron;i was just wondering if a random tails user was aware of that sort of thing, or if they just downloaded it because freetalklive mentioned it
1000824;1422759841;decimation;the LXR 'concordance' is pretty neat, it would be cool if it were possible to create that without webserver turd
1000825;1422759846;onewhosits;danielpbarrn ahh. nah ive been using the distro for some time
1000826;1422760082;decimation;asciilifeform: but it is possible to get decent (if not 'mazerati'-grade) instrumentation without swallowing winblows << except agilent et.al. comes with windows
1000827;1422760085;decimation;cheap stuff doesn't
1000828;1422760102;asciilifeform;the agilent boxes -run- winblows
1000829;1422760109;decimation;aye
1000830;1422760109;asciilifeform;as in, there's an x86 box in there.
1000831;1422760109;mats;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cPtEdCM4On8
1000832;1422760110;assbot;Lazy Cat Doesn't Get Up to Drink Water - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1ympExJ )
1000833;1422760120;decimation;why did hp ditch hp-ux
1000834;1422760140;mats;happy caturday.
1000835;1422760151;asciilifeform;decimation: died with pa-risc, mostly
1000836;1422760163;*;asciilifeform threw out his pa-risc box last may
1000837;1422760184;*;asciilifeform couldn't be arsed to load it into the truck
1000838;1422760189;decimation;hp was lowered in pederastry after years of fucktarded management - mainly after hewlitt and packard died
1000839;1422760203;asciilifeform;well-known
1000840;1422760231;asciilifeform;playing for a captive audience makes people, organizations, retarded
1000841;1422760233;asciilifeform;no exceptions.
1000842;1422760243;decimation;yes, that era forms the mud-layer upon which modern silly-con valley is built
1000843;1422760287;decimation;asciilifeform: that's probably a good explanation for why high-end engineering software comes only on winblows
1000844;1422760328;decimation;that and, the only proprietary hardware unix vendor left is... apple
1000845;1422760337;asciilifeform;decimation: actually, sun corp. endured for a while
1000846;1422760338;BingoBoingo;decimation: Similar to how when the Western Roman empire fell, concrete was forgotten for quite some time, because no volcanic ash in coldistan
1000847;1422760370;decimation;decimation: sun have been lowered into oracle or that turd 'joylent' that was discussed awhile ago
1000848;1422760407;decimation;BingoBoingo: aye, it is my understanding that even to this day the exact recipe for 'roman concrete' is still not completely known
1000849;1422760428;BingoBoingo;<asciilifeform> decimation: actually, sun corp. endured for a while << Sun alway though lacked the introspection necessary to realize things like... A bench might be a better place to assemble machines than the floor.
1000850;1422760440;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12450 @ 0.00037689 = 4.6923 BTC [-]
1000851;1422760449;decimation;they built aqua-ducts that lasted 2000 years - I'm not betting that 'portland cement' will last as long
1000852;1422760470;scoopbot;New post on Qntra.net by cazalla: http://qntra.net/2015/02/coin-swap-users-unable-to-withdraw-their-coins/
1000853;1422760470;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: point is that, not so many years ago, one could get the 'high end' stuff on solaris.
1000854;1422760483;BingoBoingo;Yeah
1000855;1422760493;decimation;yes, warez vendors targeted solaris as a platform, like cadence, adobe, etc
1000856;1422760505;asciilifeform;even something like dec openvms was supported
1000857;1422760522;asciilifeform;microshit quietly massacred the commercial unixen while no one was looking
1000858;1422760555;decimation;actually this is a perfect example of how 'drowning in idiots' can ruin an industry
1000859;1422760564;asciilifeform;(nothing in the industry happened, in those days, except in the shadow of microshit. just as very little happens in the solar system that is not in some major way affected by jupiter.)
1000860;1422760580;decimation;suddenly everyone who could use windows was a 'computer expert', so people who used computers to compute became 'dinosaurs' or 'weird'
1000861;1422760606;asciilifeform;this didn't affect the 'workstation' folks, until it did.
1000862;1422760649;asciilifeform;this, rather than 'open'-whatever in the abstract, is why redmond declared total war on linux
1000863;1422760661;asciilifeform;because it was the first unixlike which couldn't be nudged out of existence this way
1000864;1422760661;decimation;aye.  once 'management' decided that windows was the answer, the nerds at the bottom had no chance
1000865;1422760846;pete_dushenski;mircea_popescu: davout no, roast as in https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y53JLJDOEvE << watching this now. it's a riot!
1000866;1422760848;assbot;Don Rickles al Roast di Sammy Davis jr (1975) | SUB ITA - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1vmkRk4 )
1000867;1422760886;decimation;asciilifeform: do you have a source for little wires with single pin 'female header' connectors?
1000868;1422760977;asciilifeform;decimation: http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B007MRQC1K
1000869;1422760979;assbot;Amazon.com: 40pcs Female to Female 2.54mm 0.1 in Jumper Wires F/F (40pcs): Computers & Accessories ... ( http://bit.ly/1ymtBlN )
1000870;1422760981;asciilifeform;or just about anywhere else
1000871;1422760990;asciilifeform;check your favourite supplier
1000872;1422760993;asciilifeform;these are ubiquitous
1000873;1422761006;decimation;ah.  thanks. the problem mainly is figuring out how to describe what you want
1000874;1422761273;asciilifeform;snip'em in half.
1000875;1422761364;decimation;aye
1000876;1422761843;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 44500 @ 0.00037349 = 16.6203 BTC [-] {2} 
1000877;1422761904;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 75804 @ 0.00036627 = 27.7647 BTC [-] {4} 
1000878;1422762027;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22184 @ 0.00035681 = 7.9155 BTC [-]
1000879;1422763059;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: equating 'litecoin' with other sc4mc01nz is a mistake. it was a genuine, if misguided, attempt at something genuinely else
1000880;1422763063;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 46350 @ 0.00035681 = 16.5381 BTC [-]
1000881;1422763074;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: (the whole 'asic resistance' thing)
1000882;1422763094;asciilifeform;this is re: the qntra article.
1000883;1422763119;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: Cazalla's text. But... certain people who birthed it still promote it as an alternative that still solves a problem.
1000884;1422763132;asciilifeform;somebody still promotes it?!
1000885;1422763227;danielpbarron;i've seen a few "just sold all my BTC for Litecoin because MP is mean" posts
1000886;1422763268;asciilifeform;it is interesting to contemplate why no one (afaik) suggested a third workfunction
1000887;1422763291;asciilifeform;if you want 'asic resistance', my hypothetical 'lifecoin' is probably as good as it gets
1000888;1422763293;asciilifeform;!s lifecoin
1000889;1422763294;assbot;1 results for 'lifecoin' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=lifecoin
1000890;1422763295;mats;hm, bitbet has graduated to being a sextuple reverse fractional reserve if my computation is correct
1000891;1422763297;cazalla;asciilifeform, coblee admits his silver analogy doesn't make sense but continues with it anyway.. doesn't sound genuine to me at all
1000892;1422763370;cazalla;and nobody has moved the goal posts as much as those idiots.. gpu resistant, asic resistant, it's faster etc etc
1000893;1422763374;asciilifeform;if it -only- had the scrypt thing, and none of the other crackpotteries, might have went further.
1000894;1422763381;asciilifeform;or at least, died a less pathetic death
1000895;1422763413;asciilifeform;for those who weren't tuned in a year ago,
1000896;1422763422;mats;its still fluctuating around 1%, so perhaps it may live on yet
1000897;1422763428;asciilifeform;i once suggested, semi-seriously, a proofofworkfunktion based on cellular automata
1000898;1422763434;mats;1% BTCLTC, anyway
1000899;1422763448;asciilifeform;with larger and larger quantity of ram required as difficulty grows
1000900;1422763486;asciilifeform;this would have the side effect of encouraging the construction of machines which are not entirely useless for other extravagant computing projects
1000901;1422763503;cazalla;so no, i don't buy that litecoin was anything more than the creation of your stereotypical chink who knocks shit off
1000902;1422763513;asciilifeform;(but at the same time still requiring construction of new machines)
1000903;1422763532;asciilifeform;cazalla: knocked off but replaced a fairly sensitive part.
1000904;1422763660;pete_dushenski;litecoin is like a tesla with a gas engine really
1000905;1422763725;asciilifeform;pete_dushenski: the way i understand, it was mainly intended to banish asic, but for some reason known only to the author, did not really try in earnest
1000906;1422763734;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 75800 @ 0.00035681 = 27.0462 BTC [-]
1000907;1422763736;pete_dushenski;or like a race horse with the heart of a giant gerbil
1000908;1422763752;asciilifeform;(see 'lifecoin' for example of algorithm that actually requires increasing physical space as difficulty grows)
1000909;1422763754;pete_dushenski;asciilifeform: because he's american ?
1000910;1422763777;*;asciilifeform knows nothing whatsoever about author of 'litecoin'
1000911;1422763800;pete_dushenski;;;google charles lee litecoin
1000912;1422763800;gribble;Litecoin founder Charles Lee on the origins of the cryptocurrency: <http://www.coindesk.com/litecoin-founder-charles-lee-on-the-origins-and-potential-of-the-worlds-second-largest-cryptocurrency/>; Litecoin creator Charles Lee has left Google to work at Coinbase: <http://www.coindesk.com/litecoin-creator-charles-lee-has-left-google-to-work-at-coinbase/>; Ex-Googler Gives the (1 more message)
1000913;1422763811;danielpbarron;heh "google charles lee"
1000914;1422763814;pete_dushenski;google employee
1000915;1422763816;pete_dushenski;a la hearn
1000916;1422763824;pete_dushenski;danielpbarron: lol
1000917;1422763839;asciilifeform;the 'cynical' answer would be that he didn't give a flying fuck about asic resistance in the general sense, but planned to build own asic.
1000918;1422763852;danielpbarron;"no, charles lee googles you!"
1000919;1422763860;asciilifeform;but did not do this, because could not steal enough.
1000920;1422763865;asciilifeform;or sumthinglikethat
1000921;1422763889;pete_dushenski;asciilifeform: the cynical answer could also be that he's a bad actor who tried to detract energies away from bitcoin at a pivotal moment
1000922;1422763897;asciilifeform;or that
1000923;1422763913;pete_dushenski;iirc litecoin was a 2011 thing
1000924;1422763914;asciilifeform;but normally those are not merely malicious idiots, but avaricious malicious idiots
1000925;1422763926;asciilifeform;by all rights he should have attempted the asic
1000926;1422763933;asciilifeform;rather than waiting for the chinese
1000927;1422763939;pete_dushenski;if he had the skillz
1000928;1422763952;pete_dushenski;it's not clear that he did/does
1000929;1422763968;pete_dushenski;or mebbe charles lee is a chinese mole!
1000930;1422763975;cazalla;he is malicious because he contains to appear at conferences to tell people how a coin is all about the marketing regardless of whether what you say is factual or not. he's just the first iteration of garza
1000931;1422763982;asciilifeform;i can't honestly say that i care very much why.
1000932;1422763985;asciilifeform;it's dead.
1000933;1422764006;pete_dushenski;cazalla: pumpers gotta pump and all that
1000934;1422764062;asciilifeform;the original point of my objection to the qntra piece was that, afaik, 'litecoin' was different from every other altcoin in the sense that it was not simply an existing source tree with a dozen constants changed.
1000935;1422764064;pete_dushenski;asciilifeform: at least litecoin didn't have a phoundation crudding it up to its gills over a period of years
1000936;1422764088;cazalla;asciilifeform, i'm pretty sure every altcoin always launches with the idea of being different to every other altcoin
1000937;1422764097;asciilifeform;idea.
1000938;1422764101;asciilifeform;but not practice.
1000939;1422764201;cazalla;pete_dushenski, it has had one for the last year along with a *talk.org forum.. it's pretty much the blue print for altcoins at this point, launch your altcointalk.org, have a foundation and premine under the guise the foundation will use the coins in some fund to spread adoption
1000940;1422764211;asciilifeform;i mean, i get it, it's become scarcely distinguishable from other pumpcoinz
1000941;1422764232;asciilifeform;but initially there was a vaguely-plausible reason for thinking people to go 'hmm' when reading about litecoin.
1000942;1422764277;ben_vulpes;pete_dushenski: best electric tranny is ICE powered.
1000943;1422764284;cazalla;of course, which is why i got into it to begin with but in hindsight, just sour grapes at missing cheaper bitcoin
1000944;1422764293;asciilifeform;at the minimum, it was a 'spare' in case of a catastrophic break in sha2
1000945;1422764297;BingoBoingo;<asciilifeform> the 'cynical' answer would be that he didn't give a flying fuck about asic resistance in the general sense, but planned to build own asic << There was drama about a collaborator of his GPU mining this GPU unminable coin from the start
1000946;1422764306;asciilifeform;(if that seems like a 'martian' concept, look up 'satcoin')
1000947;1422764338;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: i did not know this, but it isn't very surprising.
1000948;1422764363;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: Collaborator was also one of the first, notorious BTC GPU miners
1000949;1422764388;pete_dushenski;cazalla: a, a newer thing then, another "but it worked for the us" scenario
1000950;1422764416;pete_dushenski;ben_vulpes: even tesla's have to get leccy from somewhere
1000951;1422764439;pete_dushenski;ben_vulpes: and what was that miata bit? is this your dream car or.. ?
1000952;1422764479;cazalla;BingoBoingo, i've heard that as well and i suspect he used his brother's exchange to offload his early coins to chinese suckers, that's what that whole bitcoin/litecoin brothers reunited bullshit was about, the fucking gall of that guy http://media.coindesk.com/2014/03/Banner_en_BTCChina.jpg
1000953;1422764480;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1EWYO3E )
1000954;1422764527;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21350 @ 0.00035373 = 7.5521 BTC [-] {2} 
1000955;1422764583;cazalla;no proof of course but i wouldn't put it past a guy to do that.. a guy that is willing to get up in front of a room and admit what he says isn't true but that it's OK because "marketing"
1000956;1422764786;pete_dushenski;and now lee is presumably sipping mai tais somewhere because i swear he hasn't made a peep in 12 months
1000957;1422764831;cazalla;still a coinbase despite telling the faithful that coinbase will add litecoin and that he'll leave if they don't
1000958;1422764836;mats;asciilifeform: https://www.tindie.com/products/WaywardGeek/infinite-noise/ << can you evaluate this self-professed tRNG gadget?
1000959;1422764838;assbot;Infinite Noise true random number generator from WaywardGeek on Tindie ... ( http://bit.ly/1EWZ4zx )
1000960;1422764856;mats;based on the description, anyway.
1000961;1422764968;decimation;here's the schematic
1000962;1422764969;pete_dushenski;cazalla: soon u guise!
1000963;1422764969;decimation;https://raw.githubusercontent.com/waywardgeek/infnoise/master/images/infnoise.png
1000964;1422764970;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1EWZ9U7 )
1000965;1422765315;mats;mircea_popescu: would you consider records and other business documents (e.g. tax filings) within the scope of the courts-circus parameters?
1000966;1422765686;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18750 @ 0.00035275 = 6.6141 BTC [-]
1000967;1422765712;mats;er, not tax filings, but financial documents -- also, what about electronic storage devices?
1000968;1422767276;pete_dushenski;true renewable sources of energy–wind, solar, and biomass–may be much less adversely affected by the plunge in oil prices than is widely believed << because reasons
1000969;1422767296;pete_dushenski;1. First, oil is used primarily for transportation and not to produce electricity, whereas renewables play an increasing role in producing electricity. In other words, oil and renewables are not direct competitors.
1000970;1422767315;pete_dushenski;2. Second, over the longer run, because of continuing technological improvements, the prices of renewables, especially solar power, are likely to drop much faster than is the case for commodity-based fuels such as oil. The prices of commodity-based fuels, which are traded in deep, liquid markets, also tend to be more volatile than those of renewables, for which there tend to be no separate markets (especially fo
1000971;1422767315;pete_dushenski;r fuels that are just inputs into generation of electricity).
1000972;1422767361;pete_dushenski;because in greenlandia, deep liquid markets are more volatile than thin illiquid ones
1000973;1422767448;pete_dushenski;ok scratch that, liquidity should increase volatility in the short-term but illiquid markets have larger fat tails
1000974;1422767471;pete_dushenski;as with bitcoin: stable, stable, stable, kaboom!
1000975;1422767490;pete_dushenski;^being relatively illiquid
1000976;1422767550;pete_dushenski;in any event, the "green is fine u guise" construction is hollow
1000977;1422767569;pete_dushenski;cheap "non-renewables" badly cramp its style
1000978;1422767824;asciilifeform;mats: the basic principle of the linked rng is very similar to mine. (fella stayed awake in school.) but the similarities stop there.
1000979;1422767839;asciilifeform;mats: no attempt is made to isolate pc 5v power from rng;
1000980;1422767864;asciilifeform;mats: i see no evidence of shield, or provisions for one
1000981;1422767875;asciilifeform;mats: debiasing is presumably performed on pc end
1000982;1422767914;asciilifeform;mats: but all of these things considered, it is probably the least terrifyingly bad trng i've seen so far on the post-snowden market
1000983;1422768347;BingoBoingo;;;ticker --market all
1000984;1422768355;gribble;Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 217.33, vol: 19527.50108951 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 212.142, vol: 10128.11134 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 215.4, vol: 52043.73376975 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 213.44, vol: 181080.57010000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 216.14762, vol: 14.31813754 | Bitcoin-Central BTCUSD last: 221.186, vol: 105.51734265 | Volume-weighted last average: 214.070192738
1000985;1422768395;BingoBoingo;Who is this https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=941331.msg10323295#msg10323295
1000986;1422768396;assbot;Bitcoin 20MB Fork ... ( http://bit.ly/1D0hd0e )
1000987;1422768434;pete_dushenski;good question
1000988;1422768441;pete_dushenski;zesty fellow, whoever he is
1000989;1422768646;pete_dushenski;I would recommend you sell your bitcoins and buy your alts you were just pumping , because holding onto MPcoin won't be wise. At least with litecoin and peercoin you will lose your investments at a slower pace.
1000990;1422768657;pete_dushenski;from https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=941331.msg10324436#msg10324436
1000991;1422768658;assbot;Bitcoin 20MB Fork ... ( http://bit.ly/1D0hPDi )
1000992;1422768776;decimation;asciilifeform: yeah ultimately the 'infinite noise' guy's circuit is still vulnerable to rf noise in the right band
1000993;1422768897;decimation;pete_dushenski: lol "our scam will suck you dry slowly"
1000994;1422769043;pete_dushenski;best scams take years and years and years
1000995;1422769082;decimation;aye, one can't keep a chumpatron going if it kills the chumps
1000996;1422769130;pete_dushenski;that's the beauty of car leasing
1000997;1422769144;pete_dushenski;you never notice the depreciation whack because "only monthly payment matters"
1000998;1422769156;pete_dushenski;and rentiers roll one into the next into the next
1000999;1422769285;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 44850 @ 0.00035275 = 15.8208 BTC [-]
1001000;1422769303;decimation;yeah it's hard to 'enjoy' paying nothing for a car if you never do it
1001001;1422769488;*;decimation pays nothing for his cars (other than maintenance and gas) and enoys it
1001002;1422769496;pete_dushenski;it's not clear to me that people enjoy paying for things with the aim of ownership
1001003;1422769507;pete_dushenski;that's not the sharing economy way
1001004;1422769519;pete_dushenski;decimation: me too :D
1001005;1422769539;pete_dushenski;burn the depreciation witch!
1001006;1422769911;decimation;I'm considering purchasing some real estate
1001007;1422769928;decimation;bezzlar lending rates keep dropping because 'oh noes deflation'
1001008;1422770276;asciilifeform;decimation: forget rf noise even, the harmonics from usb clock.
1001009;1422770367;decimation;yeah I'm pretty sure he's built a half-ass 'sigma-delta' adc
1001010;1422770404;asciilifeform;no, the rng part is a reasonable, traditional scheme
1001011;1422770463;asciilifeform;https://github.com/waywardgeek/infnoise
1001012;1422770465;assbot;waywardgeek/infnoise · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1wPIOu6 )
1001013;1422770466;asciilifeform;^ more detail
1001014;1422770494;decimation;he is definitely running a 'sampling' system
1001015;1422770561;asciilifeform;ultimately any interface between analogue and digital 'worlds' is a sampling system
1001016;1422770587;decimation;indeed.  thus, subject to nyquist
1001017;1422770681;phillipsjk;mircea_popescu, I disagree with the premise that wealth correlates strongly with intelligence. Maslow's Hierarchy of Needs predicts that people will largely ignore trying to gain Esteem while being pre-occupied with finding food, shelter and companionship. ( http://www.simplypsychology.org/maslow.html?PageSpeed=noscript )
1001018;1422770683;assbot;Maslow's Hierarchy of Needs | Simply Psychology ... ( http://bit.ly/1wPJwY6 )
1001019;1422770705;asciilifeform;phillipsjk: are you aware that said device is a fiction ?
1001020;1422770738;asciilifeform;as in, herr m. pulled it directly out of his arse
1001021;1422770749;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26800 @ 0.000354 = 9.4872 BTC [+]
1001022;1422770753;asciilifeform;and its applicability to actual people is, charitably - debatable
1001023;1422770797;phillipsjk;Of course, that hiearchy is not rigid in real life. Anarcho-socialists may simply skip gaining status, instead prioritizing "8. Transcendence needs - helping others to achieve self actualization."
1001024;1422770827;phillipsjk;so in a word yes, I know the fixed hierarchy is largely fiction.
1001025;1422770874;asciilifeform;or, say, human bomb in iraq. which 'level' of pyramid do his desired 40 virgins satisfy?
1001026;1422770879;decimation;phillipsjk: do you think mental illness is something that is fundamentally biological?  or do you think that the mentally ill could 'shake it off' and choose not to?
1001027;1422770964;BingoBoingo;Cripple fight: http://blog.paybase.com/coin-fire-allegations-about-paybase-are-false/
1001028;1422770964;assbot;Coin Fire Allegations About PayBase Are False ... ( http://bit.ly/1tNL1ew )
1001029;1422770965;asciilifeform;phillipsjk: if you know it to be a fiction, why do you bring it up as an argument
1001030;1422770969;phillipsjk;Sometimes I think mental illness is a rational response to life events.
1001031;1422771000;decimation;is 'unintelligence' also something one can 'shake off' and overcome, just by trying hard enough?
1001032;1422771071;phillipsjk;I accept that some people are smarter than others. That does not automatically imply that the goal of all smart people is to gain wealth and status.
1001033;1422771111;phillipsjk;asciilifeform, it nicely illustrates that there are priorities other than wealth/status.
1001034;1422771119;pete_dushenski;phillipsjk: merely that less smart people have the deck stacked against them in their pursuit of anything
1001035;1422771123;pete_dushenski;be it wealth or otherwise
1001036;1422771222;decimation;phillipsjk: just because 'some choose not to pursue wealth', it doesn't follow that the wealthy are not intelligent
1001037;1422771256;asciilifeform;phillipsjk: without weighing in on the statement, i'd like to point out that you should have gone straight to 'there are priorities other than wealth/status', rather than trying to bolster the argument with 'proof by authority' using the authority of a fellow who pulled it all out of his arse
1001038;1422771265;asciilifeform;(maslow)
1001039;1422771298;asciilifeform;this may sound odd and pedantic, but keeping your brain clean is like washing your body
1001040;1422771307;decimation;but asciilifeform, tenured professors teach maslow in school!
1001041;1422771308;asciilifeform;if you don't, don't expect to be welcome among folks who do
1001042;1422771311;phillipsjk;good point.
1001043;1422771603;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19700 @ 0.00035275 = 6.9492 BTC [-]
1001044;1422771847;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23200 @ 0.00035467 = 8.2283 BTC [+] {2} 
1001045;1422771851;phillipsjk;I also wanted to comment that behavior that seem stupid from the outside is sometimes completely rational. Quoting MP: 'last time we diagnosed [the DDOS bot] it was mostly unpnp pwnt routers that yielded it. long known as a problem, little to do about it because "must have lusers on the internet"' http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-01-2015#997218 (as an example)
1001046;1422771851;assbot;Logged on 29-01-2015 15:12:13; mircea_popescu: phillipsjk: The captures are 5.0GB each. Just a little too large to fit on a DVD:P << last time we diagnosed this it was mostly unpnp pwnt routers that yielded it.
1001047;1422771969;phillipsjk;The users installing those routers probably don't even play with computer networks as a hobby. It is the manufacturers, not the end-users' fault that UPnP is exposed to the Internet.
1001048;1422772109;phillipsjk;Exposing UPnP to the internet defies all common sense.  Add to that, many of the Pwnt routers appear to be in China, I am going to call it a deliberate back-door on the part of the manufacturer.
1001049;1422772179;phillipsjk;There is even evidence this is required by law in China: https://soylentnews.org/article.pl?sid=15/01/30/1514245
1001050;1422772180;assbot;China’s New Rules for Selling Tech to Banks Have US Companies Spooked - SoylentNews ... ( http://bit.ly/1wPNK27 )
1001051;1422772207;phillipsjk;"Technology companies that want to sell equipment to Chinese banks will have to submit to extensive audits, turn over source code, and build “back doors” into their hardware and software, according to a copy of the rules obtained by foreign companies already doing billions of dollar worth of business in the country. The new rules were laid out in a 22-page document from Beijing, and are presumably being put in place so that the Chin
1001052;1422772208;phillipsjk;ese government can peek into computer banking systems."
1001053;1422772294;phillipsjk;Incidentally, leaving the back-door open to the public gives the Chinese Government plausible deniability if they decide to attack this humble channel.
1001054;1422772355;asciilifeform;jurov: please check turdatron.
1001055;1422772363;asciilifeform;jurov: it ate another message of mine.
1001056;1422772375;asciilifeform;jurov: for no discernible reason.
1001057;1422772407;asciilifeform;jurov: so far i've managed perhaps 2 messages in, out of five times this many attempts.
1001058;1422772437;asciilifeform;jurov: if you are using a demented dwarf with abacus instead of a computer, please fire him and replace with an actual machine.
1001059;1422772448;phillipsjk;That reminds me, I noticed the logs have comments from  "noisy" people trimmed.
1001060;1422772467;asciilifeform;phillipsjk: who, and where?
1001061;1422772565;phillipsjk;Oh maybe I did not search back far enough, Was referring to this: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-01-2015#997251
1001062;1422772565;assbot;Logged on 29-01-2015 15:40:59; mircea_popescu: !rated felipelalli
1001063;1422772598;phillipsjk;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-01-2015#997252
1001064;1422772598;assbot;Logged on 29-01-2015 15:40:59; assbot: You rated user felipelalli on 21-Jan-2015, with a rating of -1, and supplied these additional notes: has a very strange idea of when it's time to talk..
1001065;1422772690;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes, mircea_popescu, mod6, danielpbarron: if any of you wanted armv5 binaries to play with, ask jurov, they're in his dust bin, where turdatron dumped them despite valid sigatures.
1001066;1422772720;phillipsjk;yes I found relevant text on the log from the 21st.
1001067;1422772767;asciilifeform;phillipsjk: the amplification attack you found in your packet captures (we discussed it here about a month ago) is a pure ddos vector
1001068;1422772783;asciilifeform;that is, of absolutely no use for taking control of a machine in the usual sense
1001069;1422772823;asciilifeform;even using it as described, for ddos, requires the thing to be hooked up to an isp which happily routes packets with forged ip
1001070;1422772824;phillipsjk;I am not sure it was a true amplification. I suspect it was a flase positive because the addresses ended in .255
1001071;1422772849;asciilifeform;it's an amplification, by definition (attacker sends N bytes, victims receive k*N for some positive k)
1001072;1422772862;phillipsjk;All 3 addresses I mentioned were from /16 netblocks.
1001073;1422772925;*;phillipsjk thinks we are talking past each other. 
1001074;1422772942;ben_vulpes;http://dpaste.com/3YZXENS << anyone know of a tidier way to reboot bitcoind?
1001075;1422772943;assbot;dpaste: 3YZXENS ... ( http://bit.ly/1z0fnuA )
1001076;1422772951;phillipsjk;My router reported a "smurf" attack, but I think it is a mis-diagnosis.
1001077;1422772994;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: 'killall' ?
1001078;1422772997;punkman;phillipsjk: that's usual background noise
1001079;1422773006;ben_vulpes;<phillipsjk> http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-01-2015#997252 << actually just shutting someone up temporarily
1001080;1422773006;assbot;Logged on 29-01-2015 15:40:59; assbot: You rated user felipelalli on 21-Jan-2015, with a rating of -1, and supplied these additional notes: has a very strange idea of when it's time to talk..
1001081;1422773019;ben_vulpes;not trimmed from the logs, but prevented from speaking during a roasting.
1001082;1422773027;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform you're such a hater :D
1001083;1422773030;mircea_popescu;almost as bad as jurov
1001084;1422773040;ben_vulpes;asciilifeform: thing is, i want it to shut down cleanly and reboot shortly after it exits cleanly.
1001085;1422773057;asciilifeform;phillipsjk: talk to kakobrekla, he will give you a place to drop the dumps, if you believe that you have discovered something peculiar therein
1001086;1422773087;asciilifeform;phillipsjk: it will be easier to explain just what it was, if i & the rest can view them at our leisure in 'wireshark'
1001087;1422773129;phillipsjk;I did not look too closely, but saw UDP fragment flood with some ICMP messages (to try to track my connectivity?).
1001088;1422773137;ben_vulpes;asciilifeform: i've already lost days to shutting the thing down forcefully, i'm determined to not waste any more time with things that can be automated.
1001089;1422773146;mircea_popescu;;;later tell bingoboingo http://trilema.com/2013/lets-make-it-one-giant-puzzle/#comment-111895 << holy shit that first quote man.
1001090;1422773147;assbot;Let's make it one giant puzzle! pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.  ... ( http://bit.ly/1z0fINZ )
1001091;1422773147;gribble;The operation succeeded.
1001092;1422773148;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: the simplest way is to run it inside the loop
1001093;1422773231;mircea_popescu;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9CYaU3x_nRU
1001094;1422773232;assbot;The Frogs - I'm Sad, My Goat Just Died Today - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1z0fV3T )
1001095;1422773256;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: as for killing, if you feed it a SIGTERM, it should die with decorum
1001096;1422773393;ben_vulpes;gotcha, thanks asciilifeform
1001097;1422773414;ben_vulpes;i wanted it running in the context of cron, so i'll probably have to do some shooping of stuff around.
1001098;1422773548;decimation;phillipsjk: would you be willing to upload a sample of your ddos captures?
1001099;1422773645;phillipsjk;decimation, sure. Would have to be tomorrow though. Would like 50MB be enough? (Ie: before I switched out the 10Mbps hub)
1001100;1422773673;decimation;sure
1001101;1422773716;decimation;post a link on the channel so folks can browse it
1001102;1422773734;phillipsjk;I think this counts as "tradition": http://www.hystericalfeminisms.com/consent/
1001103;1422773736;assbot;HYSTERIA | CONSENT ... ( http://bit.ly/1z0h0Zr )
1001104;1422773769;*;phillipsjk would have to check how much space his web-host allows him to use.
1001105;1422773796;mircea_popescu;it can't be less than 50mb ?!
1001106;1422773831;phillipsjk;I can probably make it any size you want.
1001107;1422773856;mircea_popescu;cazalla nice month yo.
1001108;1422773962;mircea_popescu;danielpbarron: i was just wondering if a random tails user was aware of that sort of thing, or if they just downloaded it because freetalklive mentioned it << you know the answer to that q.
1001109;1422774178;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform: this, rather than 'open'-whatever in the abstract, is why redmond declared total war on linux << quite.
1001110;1422774205;mircea_popescu;in other news, one doesn't hate you for the things about you that make you great, one hates you for the things about you that make his shit no longer work.
1001111;1422774261;mircea_popescu;pete_dushenski: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y53JLJDOEvE << watching this now. it's a riot! << dun tell me you found out about either that famous jew or that celebrated mode of civilised passtime on b-a!
1001112;1422774263;assbot;Don Rickles al Roast di Sammy Davis jr (1975) | SUB ITA - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1z0iiUd )
1001113;1422774291;pete_dushenski;the mode i knew
1001114;1422774304;punkman;;;later tell mats saw this recently, might interest you http://sigrok.org/wiki/Supported_hardware#Logic_analyzers
1001115;1422774305;assbot;Supported hardware - sigrok ... ( http://bit.ly/1z0ioLz )
1001116;1422774305;gribble;The operation succeeded.
1001117;1422774309;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform: somebody still promotes it?! << defo.
1001118;1422774324;pete_dushenski;that sammy was a converted member of the tribe, i did not
1001119;1422774334;mircea_popescu;pete_dushenski rickles is easily one of the greatest comedians who ever lived
1001120;1422774340;mircea_popescu;with carson and carlin and so on
1001121;1422774381;mircea_popescu;danielpbarron: i've seen a few "just sold all my BTC for Litecoin because MP is mean" posts << and yet https://bitbet.us/bet/1098/ltc-to-fall-below-half-a-bitcent-before/
1001122;1422774382;assbot;BitBet - LTC to fall below half a bitcent before March :: 1.09 B (59%) on Yes, 0.75 B (41%) on No | closing in 2 weeks 5 days | weight: 46`041 (100`000 to 1) ... ( http://bit.ly/1z0iAu8 )
1001123;1422774391;pete_dushenski;lol i was already laughed out by the time he took the microphone
1001124;1422774402;punkman;I'm gonna try to setup turdatronic bitcoind on VPS. Is there an easy way to monitor and log IO for just the bitcoind process?
1001125;1422774428;pete_dushenski;punkman: i spent the last week trying to do the same
1001126;1422774438;pete_dushenski;0.9.3 was too much for my vps
1001127;1422774447;pete_dushenski;512 mb
1001128;1422774488;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform: i once suggested, semi-seriously, a proofofworkfunktion based on cellular automata << i recall our discussing this, in the very logs! years ago!
1001129;1422774561;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-03-2014#590953
1001130;1422774561;assbot;Logged on 29-03-2014 02:11:03; asciilifeform: proposed algo, for those who insist:
1001131;1422774570;asciilifeform;thread ^ a while ago, yes.
1001132;1422774631;mircea_popescu;i thought it was much much longer ago than fucken march last.
1001133;1422774641;asciilifeform;possibly first mention of this was even earlier
1001134;1422774644;mircea_popescu;this is like... b-a logs are so substantial they dilate the perception of time.
1001135;1422774647;asciilifeform;aha!
1001136;1422774665;mircea_popescu;just... so many ideas, it's like reading 3 centuries worth of old gray lady.
1001137;1422774674;asciilifeform;i feel like i spent at least a decade.
1001138;1422774701;punkman;mircea_popescu: going by log height  #590953 to #1001132 (now), it's a lot of time
1001139;1422774709;mircea_popescu;and then we give nooby kids with undegrad "business" and "governance" degrees a hard time for their self-reported "experience"
1001140;1422774714;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14750 @ 0.00035275 = 5.2031 BTC [-]
1001141;1422774731;mircea_popescu;punkman also a good point
1001142;1422774750;punkman;look at that, almost doubled log lines betwwen 3/2014 and now
1001143;1422774769;mircea_popescu;we're lucky that gavin doubled storage space.
1001144;1422774801;phillipsjk;night all
1001145;1422774829;danielpbarron;are cellular automata easy to verify? I mean, work backwards to the start point
1001146;1422774847;mircea_popescu;cazalla:  he's just the first iteration of garza <<< this angle i can definitely see.
1001147;1422774850;ben_vulpes;danielpbarron: it's deterministic, if that's what you're asking.
1001148;1422774862;mircea_popescu;danielpbarron depends hwat you mean by easy.
1001149;1422774871;danielpbarron;easier than the reverse
1001150;1422774875;mircea_popescu;about as easy to go either way, towards past or future
1001151;1422774911;mircea_popescu;they;'re not unidirectional sort of problerms like the factorisation problem is.
1001152;1422774928;asciilifeform;the usual term of art is 'trap door'
1001153;1422774972;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform: i mean, i get it, it's become scarcely distinguishable from other pumpcoinz << know teh seinfeld effect ?
1001154;1422774978;asciilifeform;hm?
1001155;1422775006;mircea_popescu;There are certain shows that you can safely assume most people have seen. These shows were considered fantastic when they first aired. Now, however, these shows have a Hype Backlash curse on them. Whenever we watch them, we'll cry, "That is so old" or "That is so overdone".
1001156;1422775006;mircea_popescu;The sad irony? It wasn't old or overdone when they did it. But the things it created were so brilliant and popular, they became woven into the fabric of that show's genre. They ended up being taken for granted, copied and endlessly repeated. Although they often began by saying something new, they in turn became the status quo.
1001157;1422775007;asciilifeform;the films copying a classic one and the classic consequently seeming derivative tripe - thing ?
1001158;1422775013;asciilifeform;aha that
1001159;1422775018;mircea_popescu;yup
1001160;1422775072;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform: at the minimum, it was a 'spare' in case of a catastrophic break in sha2 << on this we agree. meanwhile that problem seems to have navigated away
1001161;1422775084;mircea_popescu;by means of other problems having scoped in
1001162;1422775090;TheNewDeal;;;later tell TomServo I'm around town tomorrow if you'd like to meet up.
1001163;1422775090;gribble;The operation succeeded.
1001164;1422775093;punkman;oh sweet found what I was looking for https://github.com/scaidermern/audria
1001165;1422775094;assbot;scaidermern/audria · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1z0krPV )
1001166;1422775115;TheNewDeal;;;nethash
1001167;1422775116;gribble;328795984.186
1001168;1422775120;TheNewDeal;;;bc,stats
1001169;1422775124;gribble;Current Blocks: 341443 | Current Difficulty: 4.127287389469702E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 342719 | Next Difficulty In: 1276 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 0 days, 8 hours, and 0 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 45598132528.5 | Estimated Percent Change: 10.47966
1001170;1422775131;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Collaborator was also one of the first, notorious BTC GPU miners << who was this again ?
1001171;1422775147;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: I believe it was Artforz
1001172;1422775156;mircea_popescu;no ?! he mined ltc too ?
1001173;1422775173;BingoBoingo;If I recall correctly he was a "dev" back in ancient times
1001174;1422775184;BingoBoingo;Not sure if substantiated or not.
1001175;1422775220;BingoBoingo;Did I get all of the quotes right on the puzzle?
1001176;1422775220;mircea_popescu;dev of ltc ?
1001177;1422775246;mircea_popescu;well "About" isn't a source eh ?
1001178;1422775260;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: I think he was if my memory works, but... confirming involves wading way deep into the bitcointalk altcoin section
1001179;1422775352;BingoBoingo;Ah, I'll source the Something Awful ones when I find a working login. 2 and 4 though. From the same post on the Butterfly Labs forum.
1001180;1422775410;mircea_popescu;yeh
1001181;1422775466;asciilifeform;http://sigrok.org/wiki/File:Wayengineer_saleae16_pcb_top.jpg << had no idea anybody still did this.
1001182;1422775467;assbot;File:Wayengineer saleae16 pcb top.jpg - sigrok ... ( http://bit.ly/1z0lsaF )
1001183;1422775488;asciilifeform;http://sigrok.org/wiki/File:Wayengineer_saleae16_atmel_24c02n.jpg
1001184;1422775488;assbot;File:Wayengineer saleae16 atmel 24c02n.jpg - sigrok ... ( http://bit.ly/1z0lz5Q )
1001185;1422775506;decimation; asciilifeform: is that 'potting' material?
1001186;1422775507;asciilifeform;http://sigrok.org/wiki/File:WayEngineer16-board-top-2014-09.jpg << same, sans shitburial
1001187;1422775508;assbot;File:WayEngineer16-board-top-2014-09.jpg - sigrok ... ( http://bit.ly/1z0lAa9 )
1001188;1422775541;BingoBoingo;https://imgur.com/3bxHdOk << Ancient Neobee history
1001189;1422775543;assbot;                        Cryptocyprus vs MPOE-PR - Imgur ... ( http://bit.ly/1z0lFKL )
1001190;1422775567;mircea_popescu;mats "private persons" in II excludes corporations. but otherwise, anything that one communicated to another is fair game.
1001191;1422775582;mircea_popescu;i dunno how this'd practically be stuff like tax filings, court can and does ask the irs for that.
1001192;1422775604;mircea_popescu;mebbe i don't understand so well what you're asking
1001193;1422775671;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo uh wtf is that!
1001194;1422775675;mircea_popescu;i don't even ?!
1001195;1422775700;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: I think it was some sort of Pro-Brewster agitprop
1001196;1422775742;mircea_popescu;i tell you, blond inch tall figurines drawn on a EGA screen waving about swords are no basis for a financial system.
1001197;1422775766;mircea_popescu;supreme executive power derives from a mandate from the wot, not some farcical fencing ceremony...
1001198;1422775802;*;asciilifeform fondly remembers 'monkey island'
1001199;1422775828;mircea_popescu;pete_dushenski seriously, someone argued that "he prices of commodity-based fuels, which are traded in deep, liquid markets, also tend to be more volatile than those of renewables, for which there tend to be no separate markets" ?
1001200;1422775829;asciilifeform;where the scene is from
1001201;1422775834;mircea_popescu;how do they make them this dumb ?
1001202;1422775848;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform brick and mortar island!
1001203;1422775871;pete_dushenski;mircea_popescu: i'm guessing that they go to special schools
1001204;1422775883;mircea_popescu;what, princeton ?
1001205;1422775892;pete_dushenski;it must take years, if not decades of training to chock one's brain full of such crud
1001206;1422775924;punkman;princeton: https://freedom-to-tinker.com/blog/randomwalker/nine-awesome-bitcoin-projects-at-princeton/
1001207;1422775925;assbot;Nine awesome Bitcoin projects at Princeton ... ( http://bit.ly/1z0mwuX )
1001208;1422775939;mircea_popescu;lol @Gav1nFucksGoats
1001209;1422776019;pete_dushenski;Robert Litan is a nonresident senior fellow at the Brookings Institution and the author of “Trillion Dollar Economists.”
1001210;1422776036;pete_dushenski;^said market speshulist
1001211;1422776053;TheNewDeal;!down TheNewDeal
1001212;1422776089;pete_dushenski;https://twitter.com/boblitan << guy looks barely bright enough to tie shoelaces
1001213;1422776091;assbot;Robert Litan (@BobLitan) | Twitter ... ( http://bit.ly/1z0mTpA )
1001214;1422776109;mircea_popescu;lmaop that forum
1001215;1422776110;mircea_popescu;"This is misinformation and you are confusing people.
1001216;1422776111;mircea_popescu;That number isn't true as it assumes we will immediately be processing 84k transactions per block which isn't going to happen."
1001217;1422776129;mircea_popescu;YOU ARE CONFUSING PEOPLE!! the problem we are solving is not a problem which is why it should be solved!!!1
1001218;1422776135;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu and anyone else waiting for s.nsa broadcast - it will appear shortly after i get a little sleep now. can't believe i blew a whole saturday on the pocket node thing.
1001219;1422776136;mircea_popescu;srsly, this stupid ? also princeton ?
1001220;1422776160;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform tomorrow'll be fine, but yes, now is the time on sprockets where you let the little guys fuck by themselves a while.
1001221;1422776208;mircea_popescu;also there, " Bitcoin can be so complicated at times that even I have problems getting all the facts."
1001222;1422776211;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes et al: the tips i've given re: controlling memory fandango had better suffice. i'll post a buildroot for the pogo some time this week, but unfortunately i do not have time to do the whole thing personally
1001223;1422776282;mircea_popescu;;;later tell benjamindees seven billion people have no savings.
1001224;1422776282;gribble;The operation succeeded.
1001225;1422776303;mircea_popescu;everyone has savings, and they save in gold ? wtf is this bs.
1001226;1422776363;asciilifeform;loper-os.org/pub/bitcoind-armv5-variants.tgz
1001227;1422776371;asciilifeform;^ what turdatron threw into the sun
1001228;1422776374;asciilifeform;docs inside.
1001229;1422776415;fluffypony;lol
1001230;1422776425;mircea_popescu;decimation: bezzlar lending rates keep dropping because 'oh noes deflation' <<< if you can take an immense loan denominated in usd and at a fixed rate, to purchase anything tangible you should do so right now.
1001231;1422776474;pete_dushenski;fixed rate being the key here
1001232;1422776496;pete_dushenski;5+ if they'll take it
1001233;1422776505;pete_dushenski;years, that is
1001234;1422776511;mircea_popescu;;;later tell phillipsjk: mircea_popescu, I disagree with the premise that wealth correlates strongly with intelligence. Maslow's Hierarchy of Needs <<< reed the correct one : http://trilema.com/2014/that-aint-the-maslow-pyramid-yo/
1001235;1422776512;assbot;That ain't the Maslow pyramid, yo! pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.  ... ( http://bit.ly/1z0o6x1 )
1001236;1422776512;gribble;The operation succeeded.
1001237;1422776524;mircea_popescu;;;later tell phillipsjk you can't reason on any topic on the rotten basis of socialist propaganda.
1001238;1422776524;gribble;The operation succeeded.
1001239;1422776530;asciilifeform;blockheight 214288 (bastard node.)
1001240;1422776531;pete_dushenski;5 seems to be the norm, not sure how hard it is to get a longer fixed rate term
1001241;1422776544;*;asciilifeform now can go to bed
1001242;1422776559;mircea_popescu;pete_dushenski what 5 ? 0.2% baby.
1001243;1422776566;mircea_popescu;what is this, fucking retail ? we're all jews, right ?
1001244;1422776580;mircea_popescu;only samy jr pays retail,
1001245;1422776585;mircea_popescu;and only before conversion.
1001246;1422776585;decimation;mircea_popescu: for 'well qualified' folks in 'conventional' mortgages, you can get 3.5% for 30 years!
1001247;1422776587;decimation;fixed
1001248;1422776591;mircea_popescu;gtfo.
1001249;1422776602;decimation;and rates are dropping
1001250;1422776610;mircea_popescu;hm, i guess actually you might not have the luxury to tell them to gtfo
1001251;1422776616;mircea_popescu;but why are you paying 15x what they pay ?
1001252;1422776617;pete_dushenski;mircea_popescu: 5 years. ~2% is retail
1001253;1422776623;mircea_popescu;would you buy hamburgers at 15x the fixed costs ?!
1001254;1422776646;decimation;in the us, all mortgages are sold by usg
1001255;1422776646;mircea_popescu;banks refinance at about 0.2% anything under .3% is ok but over that is being greedy.
1001256;1422776654;pete_dushenski;15x zero ...
1001257;1422776659;decimation;there is no 'private' mortgage market
1001258;1422776665;decimation;at least, it's tiny
1001259;1422776667;mircea_popescu;i don't believe that.
1001260;1422776682;mircea_popescu;maybe there's no private market in the sense that there's no bitcoin stock market ?
1001261;1422776685;pete_dushenski;there's no way you can get under 2% is all i'm saying
1001262;1422776695;mircea_popescu;maybe that's true.
1001263;1422776698;pete_dushenski;if you're borrowing say $500k
1001264;1422776707;mircea_popescu;well no, borrow $50 mn
1001265;1422776726;pete_dushenski;i'm more interested in how long you can negotiate as far as a fixed rate term goes
1001266;1422776747;pete_dushenski;$50 mn you say....
1001267;1422776749;mircea_popescu;pete_dushenski anything past ~20 years is not necessarily going to come in your favour.
1001268;1422776772;mircea_popescu;pete_dushenski understand : building a building costs to the tune of a bn or a few.
1001269;1422776785;mircea_popescu;obv there's no market in arbitrarily tiny fractions
1001270;1422776818;ben_vulpes;asciilifeform: having now sent kill $(cat bitcoind.pid) several times, i'm no longer so certain that the damn thing obeys SIGTERM.
1001271;1422776840;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes it takes a while.
1001272;1422776847;mircea_popescu;go do all your shopping, come back n see
1001273;1422776859;pete_dushenski;funny lady shopping, that is
1001274;1422776933;mircea_popescu;�We were stunned by the allegations which served to negatively impact our business in this exciting and evolving financial category,� said Josh Garza, CEO of GAW. �However, we appreciate the outpouring of support by a community that is behind what we are doing as pioneers in the cryptocurrency market; in short, they simply didn�t believe it.�
1001275;1422776934;mircea_popescu;herp
1001276;1422776970;ben_vulpes;mircea_popescu: no way. it respondes to ./bitcoind -datadir=. -port=... -rpcport=... stop, but not to kill $BITCOIND_PID
1001277;1422776982;mircea_popescu;o.O
1001278;1422776997;mircea_popescu;no way, it actually has sigterm masking ?
1001279;1422777001;mircea_popescu;i duin recall this.
1001280;1422777082;pete_dushenski;bbib
1001281;1422777084;mircea_popescu;phillipsjk: The users installing those routers probably don't even play with computer networks as a hobby. It is the manufacturers, not the end-users' fault that UPnP is exposed to the Internet. <<< ther atrocity known as unpnp exists in the first place because people who do not know how to use computers wish nevertheless to use computers, and then complain to people running servers that "doesn't work".
1001282;1422777093;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 40859 @ 0.00035262 = 14.4077 BTC [-] {2} 
1001283;1422777151;mircea_popescu;it is the fault of the people running servers that they implemented upnp instead of beating the people with the reports, sure. however, beatings suffer from a disaster of commons type of problem : they are valuabler and expensive, but the beneficiaries resist them afore, even if they appreciate them after.
1001284;1422777154;mircea_popescu;much like washing.
1001285;1422777240;mircea_popescu;phillipsjk:  this humble channel. << i never thought i'd live to hear that one.
1001286;1422777266;decimation;I can't find good data, but it is pretty well known that usg entities purchase 30 year fixed loans
1001287;1422777271;decimation;who else would buy them?
1001288;1422777292;decimation;as for 15x, you can get 0.5% loans - that have 1-month adjustable rates
1001289;1422777305;mircea_popescu;get them without adjustable.
1001290;1422777312;decimation;can't
1001291;1422777323;mircea_popescu;perhaps as a 10 year fixed, with a negotiable that includes your right to fully repay.
1001292;1422777337;mircea_popescu;iirc that's the structure i used last time i did something like this.
1001293;1422777337;decimation;not through any traditional loan dealer
1001294;1422777344;decimation;perhaps a private party would make such a deal
1001295;1422777359;mircea_popescu;a wot's always handy
1001296;1422777388;decimation;eh, I can borrow usg's bezzlars for 3.5
1001297;1422777407;mircea_popescu;this is like paying me 70 bucks for a happy meal.
1001298;1422777429;mircea_popescu;(is that shit still 4.95 or did "deflation" fix that proble mtoo ?)
1001299;1422777429;decimation;no, it's like having usg pay 70 bucks for a happy mean I 'get' to eat
1001300;1422777463;decimation;i think mcd has raised their prices somewhat, not sure
1001301;1422777468;mircea_popescu;decimation the difference is negligible from where i'm sitting!!!1
1001302;1422777500;mircea_popescu;http://www.fastfoodmenuprices.com/mcdonalds-prices/
1001303;1422777502;assbot;McDonalds Prices - Fast Food Menu Prices ... ( http://bit.ly/1z0qyDO )
1001304;1422777504;decimation;the problem is, even if I were to purchase a house with say, gold or bitcoin
1001305;1422777507;mircea_popescu;am i reading this right ? it's like 3 bux ?
1001306;1422777522;decimation;I would still be trading an asset for something valued in loaned-bezzlars
1001307;1422777549;mircea_popescu;decimation this is why it only makes sense to buy it as a loan, on good terms.
1001308;1422777550;decimation;they used to have a 'dollar' menu
1001309;1422777582;mircea_popescu;this is so mind boggling.
1001310;1422777584;decimation;well, it is certainly the case that it is hard to find a bank that pays more than 1% on your savings account
1001311;1422777592;ben_vulpes;"deflation"?
1001312;1422777592;mircea_popescu;seriously, food at the cost of a shoeshine ?
1001313;1422777607;decimation;but it's also impossible to find a 30-year fixed at less than 3.5
1001314;1422777621;mircea_popescu;decimation wide spreads predict disaster.
1001315;1422777643;decimation;well, they are essentially 'vanity' prices
1001316;1422777662;decimation;for instance, almost no us banks (to my knowledge) offer 30-years cd's
1001317;1422777681;decimation;the only reason 30-year fixed exists in the us is because of 'popular demand'
1001318;1422777706;mircea_popescu;i dunno who would buy a nominal cd anyway.
1001319;1422777717;mircea_popescu;so technically, no banks offer cds at all.
1001320;1422777790;decimation;the banking system is a propaganda wrapper around usg/fed bank ownership
1001321;1422777831;mircea_popescu;amusingly, the fed is actually a private partnership
1001322;1422777860;mircea_popescu;but anyway : as in the centrally controlled economy of the socialist state, so in the us : the "private" sector is a wrapper around the politburo.
1001323;1422777884;mircea_popescu;and the "workers" are a wrapper around that wrapper. in the sense a rectum is a wrapper around the condom wrapped around the cock.
1001324;1422777988;decimation;but they are 'free'
1001325;1422778024;mircea_popescu;everyone's free who wants to be.
1001326;1422778305;decimation;the latest fed open market meeting strongly implied that rates will be low for a long time yet
1001327;1422778313;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14950 @ 0.00035691 = 5.3358 BTC [+]
1001328;1422778314;decimation;rather than the scheduled increase in 6 months
1001329;1422778334;decimation;because oil halved, therefore 'the deflation' scare is on
1001330;1422778450;mircea_popescu;it's so amusing for me to see the situation of 1980s japan imported pretty much all over the north atlantic.
1001331;1422778467;decimation;actuall the 3% FNMA mortgage-backed security is on a bull run http://www.mortgagenewsdaily.com/mbs/charts.aspx?Product=FNMA30&interval=4
1001332;1422778468;assbot;MBS Live ... ( http://bit.ly/1z0t90x )
1001333;1422778565;decimation;the implication being that serious folks with lots of bezzlars see a 3% 30-year loan as a great investment - which is telling about expectations of the future
1001334;1422778576;mircea_popescu;well... it would be wouldn't it ? look how well freddie mac did
1001335;1422778586;mircea_popescu;(it did do great - the bankers made money, that's the benchmark)
1001336;1422778598;decimation;if the us becomes japan for the next 30 years, then it is a great deal
1001337;1422778622;mircea_popescu;japan was a nation, and those three decades nigh on crumbled it.
1001338;1422778650;mircea_popescu;a federation, like the us ? the austro-hungarian empire didn't last five years of harship.
1001339;1422778739;decimation;yeah that's a good point
1001340;1422778750;decimation;with that, I bid good evening.
1001341;1422778756;decimation;!down decimation
1001342;1422778833;mircea_popescu;http://log.b-a.link/?date=01-02-2015#1001103 << for the record : sexualisation as a matter of fact, not as a matter of convention (ie, irrespectiver of the sex object's "consent") is part and parcel of feminity.
1001343;1422778833;assbot;Logged on 01-02-2015 06:55:36; assbot: HYSTERIA | CONSENT ... ( http://bit.ly/1z0h0Zr )
1001344;1422778841;mircea_popescu;this is what it MEANS to be a woman.
1001345;1422778886;mircea_popescu;a reconstruction of some sort of imaginary alternative is no different from any other synthetic product : like the transsexual, like the roman eunuch or later italian castrato, like all other exercises in artifexery.
1001346;1422778934;mircea_popescu;now, that such a matter of fact is a flimsy ground for assault, and has no good reason to escalate to battery is certainly true.
1001347;1422778963;mircea_popescu;but de minima non curat lex.
1001348;1422779037;cazalla;<mircea_popescu> cazalla nice month yo. <<< hopefully february will dwarf it
1001349;1422779046;ben_vulpes;i've been considering how to present this to the "feminists" in my vicinity
1001350;1422779050;mircea_popescu;well, if it doesn't im sure march will.
1001351;1422779085;ben_vulpes;the "objectification is part and parcel of having a cunt" line takes more delicacy and subtlety than i've yet cultivated.
1001352;1422779092;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes sadly it's the equivalent of the beatings. women grok wtf it all means, by virtue of their existential quality of being women. little girls, of whatever age, even 50 should they be, have no avenue to comprehend wtf is being said.
1001353;1422779114;ben_vulpes;yeah
1001354;1422779123;mircea_popescu;so they fly in a girlish rage, which is fine and perfectly comprehensible, and even self aware
1001355;1422779124;ben_vulpes;trick being to deliver the beatings without going to jail in this here country
1001356;1422779129;mircea_popescu;she calls the thing hysteria for this reason.
1001357;1422779179;mircea_popescu;anyway, one shouldn't be a doctor for people who aren't patients. not your job to solve people's problems, especially those htey do not care to have solved.
1001358;1422779184;ben_vulpes;a few are right on the cusp, but it's taken years to get them there
1001359;1422779249;ben_vulpes;"one shouldn't be a doctor" << the doctoring's forced on one
1001360;1422779252;mircea_popescu;you will find that cusp can be quite wide. it's like an untrained orgasmer going "i'm almost there".
1001361;1422779265;ben_vulpes;myeah
1001362;1422779284;ben_vulpes;control problems, control problems everywhere.
1001363;1422779310;*;ben_vulpes ponders the unintentional double entendre
1001364;1422779315;mircea_popescu;lol
1001365;1422779322;mircea_popescu;i took it for intentional.
1001366;1422779329;ben_vulpes;i'm not really that bright it turns out
1001367;1422779332;mircea_popescu;you know foxy, at this rate you ain't roasting jack.
1001368;1422779338;mircea_popescu;by which i mean the rabbit.
1001369;1422779350;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 38742 @ 0.00035691 = 13.8274 BTC [+]
1001370;1422779351;ben_vulpes;who said i wanted to!
1001371;1422779365;ben_vulpes;who said i wanted to wade hip deep into cpp or straighten out everyones mental models
1001372;1422779374;mircea_popescu;remember! in case of problems : cunt! roll!
1001373;1422779391;cazalla;http://ia700603.us.archive.org/21/items/gov.uscourts.nysd.422824/gov.uscourts.nysd.422824.171.0.pdf short of it "This letter is submitted in response to the government�s January 29, 2015, letter seeking preclusion of the expert testimony of proposed defense witness Andreas M. Antonopoulos."
1001374;1422779392;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1z0vI2F )
1001375;1422779411;mircea_popescu;cazalla which case is this ?
1001376;1422779451;ben_vulpes;(i roast none better than myself. it's a...skill.)
1001377;1422779458;cazalla;mircea_popescu, take a guess!
1001378;1422779461;mircea_popescu;and does the govt letter go "we object to the inclusion of this witness as mr antonopoulos is actually... in a word... dead." ?
1001379;1422779482;ben_vulpes;lol your grip on the fabric of reality isn't that stiff yet boss
1001380;1422779516;cazalla;none other than United States v. Ross Ulbricht.. he's fkn sunk with derp on the stand
1001381;1422781119;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17284 @ 0.00035691 = 6.1688 BTC [+]
1001382;1422781363;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 69006 @ 0.00035112 = 24.2294 BTC [-] {2} 
1001383;1422782056;ben_vulpes;samO_: your cloak is getting applied after you join channels
1001384;1422782060;ben_vulpes;*** samO_ (~samO@109-92-79-197.dynamic.isp.telekom.rs) has joined channel #bitcoin-assets
1001385;1422782075;ben_vulpes;!up samO_
1001386;1422782784;PeterL;http://dpaste.com/0JA0FZA#wrap
1001387;1422782785;assbot;dpaste: 0JA0FZA: How downloading the Bitcoin blockchain should work ... ( http://bit.ly/18EwsRk )
1001388;1422783072;ben_vulpes;PeterL!
1001389;1422783081;PeterL;yes?
1001390;1422783083;ben_vulpes;you've been reading logs, haven't you.
1001391;1422783089;PeterL;always
1001392;1422783171;ben_vulpes;PeterL: are you getting conned this spring?
1001393;1422783182;PeterL;conned?
1001394;1422783188;ben_vulpes;$conference
1001395;1422783198;ben_vulpes;trilema.com/2014/the-conference-third-edition/
1001396;1422783211;PeterL;oh, no, no job atm, can't afford it
1001397;1422783236;PeterL;by the way, if anybody needs a chemist, I'm looking for work now
1001398;1422783261;ben_vulpes;what kind of chemistry d'you do?
1001399;1422783270;PeterL;organic mostly
1001400;1422783300;ben_vulpes;while we're on the topic, a single node should never be a single source of blocks.
1001401;1422783305;PeterL;small molecule synthesis is what I've been doing the past 3 years
1001402;1422783333;ben_vulpes;dunno about how many n's would be involved but in terms of *should*, blocks *should* be checked against a few peers.
1001403;1422783335;PeterL;yes, there would ideally be more that one connection open at a time
1001404;1422783361;ben_vulpes;(if multiple peers are available, and the implementation's coding is up to the concurrency)
1001405;1422783382;PeterL;does RI do multiple connections yet?
1001406;1422783385;ben_vulpes;lolno
1001407;1422783394;PeterL;on the wish list?
1001408;1422783404;ben_vulpes;or if it's opening them it sure as hell isn't doing anything with them
1001409;1422783431;ben_vulpes;yeah, call it the wish list.
1001410;1422783447;ben_vulpes;truth be told, frere, the RI's just that. it's not supposed to be fancy or anything.
1001411;1422783485;ben_vulpes;gets blocks, barfs blocks, relays transactions. i've not heard any serious arguments for inclusion of additional functionality beyond that.
1001412;1422783690;ben_vulpes;!gettrust assbot PinkPosixPXE
1001413;1422783691;assbot;Trust relationship from user assbot to user PinkPosixPXE: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 4 via 4 connections. | http://w.b-a.link/trust/assbot/PinkPosixPXE | http://w.b-a.link/user/PinkPosixPXE
1001414;1422783717;ben_vulpes;!gettrust assbot mod6
1001415;1422783718;assbot;Trust relationship from user assbot to user mod6: Level 1: 1, Level 2: 7 via 7 connections. | http://w.b-a.link/trust/assbot/mod6 | http://w.b-a.link/user/mod6
1001416;1422783751;ben_vulpes;!gettrust assbot jurov
1001417;1422783752;assbot;Trust relationship from user assbot to user jurov: Level 1: 1, Level 2: 18 via 18 connections. | http://w.b-a.link/trust/assbot/jurov | http://w.b-a.link/user/jurov
1001418;1422785512;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 83150 @ 0.00035702 = 29.6862 BTC [+] {2} 
1001419;1422785694;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 1500 @ 0.00094591 = 1.4189 BTC [-] {17} 
1001420;1422785938;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 1250 @ 0.00092122 = 1.1515 BTC [-] {8} 
1001421;1422786487;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 55491 @ 0.00035732 = 19.828 BTC [+] {2} 
1001422;1422787433;PeterL;mircea_popescu:a federation, like the us ? << nominally US is a federation, but between the FedGov usurping power from the states, free movement of people between the states, and the mass-produced commercialized 'culture', the US is pretty homogenous; we think of ourselfs as USians rather than $myState-ians.
1001423;1422787776;ben_vulpes;http://cascadianhacker.com/blog/2015/02/01_hacking-on-the-satoshi-codebase-some-pointers.html << to be outdated sometime in the next 30 days
1001424;1422787777;assbot;Hacking on the Satoshi Codebase: Some Pointers ... ( http://bit.ly/1CmW0P3 )
1001425;1422787828;ben_vulpes;i'll go further, PeterL, $myStatism is actually discouraged by *all* political groups.
1001426;1422787855;PeterL;nah, there are some who are adamantly Texan
1001427;1422787883;PeterL;kind of the exception though
1001428;1422788091;ben_vulpes;sure, exceptions exist
1001429;1422788110;ben_vulpes;lets not bother ourselves with 3/4 sigma shit tho.
1001430;1422788239;pete_dushenski;http://www.contravex.com/2015/02/01/jooz-and-stereotypes/
1001431;1422788240;assbot;Jooz and stereotypes. | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski ... ( http://bit.ly/1yo4uiC )
1001432;1422788317;pete_dushenski;^for those english-speaking hebrewphiles interested in sabbatai zevi and eretz israel
1001433;1422788327;pete_dushenski;and other things
1001434;1422788338;pete_dushenski;and now ima pass the fuck out.
1001435;1422788378;ben_vulpes;sweet dreams, pete
1001436;1422788821;PeterL;Rather than having all the magic numbers hard coded into the RI, should there be some sort of config file? Stuff like the DNS seeds, number of bastard blocks to hold onto, number of connections to make, etc?
1001437;1422789058;ben_vulpes;PeterL: yeah, it'd be nice to get everything configified
1001438;1422789093;ben_vulpes;it's not entirely out of the question that the ri could even be coerced into hooking onto arbitrary altchains with well-done configuration
1001439;1422789115;ben_vulpes;question being the same as one would have for the matchstick eiffel tower engineer
1001440;1422789121;ben_vulpes;"why?"
1001441;1422791123;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 3054 @ 0.00094981 = 2.9007 BTC [+] {4} 
1001442;1422792526;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 70 @ 0.09765599 = 6.8359 BTC [-] {9} 
1001443;1422793563;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 187544 @ 0.00035325 = 66.2499 BTC [-] {3} 
1001444;1422793624;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 67950 @ 0.00035074 = 23.8328 BTC [-]
1001445;1422796979;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 80800 @ 0.00035808 = 28.9329 BTC [+] {3} 
1001446;1422798016;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 43500 @ 0.00035074 = 15.2572 BTC [-]
1001447;1422798931;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33750 @ 0.00035074 = 11.8375 BTC [-]
1001448;1422799358;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 83634 @ 0.00036026 = 30.13 BTC [+] {2} 
1001449;1422801493;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29200 @ 0.00035311 = 10.3108 BTC [-]
1001450;1422802408;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35450 @ 0.00035311 = 12.5177 BTC [-]
1001451;1422803141;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 79097 @ 0.00035039 = 27.7148 BTC [-] {2} 
1001452;1422803201;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 92903 @ 0.00034898 = 32.4213 BTC [-] {2} 
1001453;1422805458;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 128135 @ 0.00034757 = 44.5359 BTC [-] {3} 
1001454;1422805763;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 76850 @ 0.00035056 = 26.9405 BTC [+]
1001455;1422807471;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 51777 @ 0.00034562 = 17.8952 BTC [-] {2} 
1001456;1422808813;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 71600 @ 0.00035267 = 25.2512 BTC [+] {2} 
1001457;1422810582;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 81511 @ 0.00035425 = 28.8753 BTC [+] {2} 
1001458;1422811802;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 157450 @ 0.00034671 = 54.5895 BTC [-] {2} 
1001459;1422812167;thestringpuller;ss
1001460;1422814239;mats;http://mako.cc/copyrighteous/cultivated-disinterest-in-professional-sports relevant
1001461;1422814241;assbot;Cultivated Disinterest in Professional Sports | copyrighteous ... ( http://bit.ly/1BLxvpy )
1001462;1422814276;mats;http://www.shaunagm.net/blog/2011/11/the-peoples-team re: Green Bay
1001463;1422814279;assbot;The People’s Team | shauna gordon-mckeon | blog ... ( http://bit.ly/1BLxJgl )
1001464;1422814295;mats;guess i should watch sports so i can relate to peasants...
1001465;1422814361;mats;punkman: thanks, will peruse
1001466;1422814517;kakobrekla;cultivated-disinterest-in-professional-sports relevant < to what ?
1001467;1422814762;kakobrekla;stupid article with stupid comments
1001468;1422814827;TheNewDeal;isn't that what the internet was invented for?
1001469;1422814876;kakobrekla;why add fuel to fire
1001470;1422815096;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33778 @ 0.00034602 = 11.6879 BTC [-] {2} 
1001471;1422815322;BingoBoingo;Fun Fact, if Marshawn Lynch grabs his crotch on the field he will be fined the same $500,000 BitPay paid for their Bowl game
1001472;1422815403;TheNewDeal;anyone see that Conan bit with Marshawn playing Mortal Combat?
1001473;1422815441;TheNewDeal;actually not a horrible waste of 11 minutes https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MNpkSyryQz4
1001474;1422815443;assbot;Marshawn Lynch and Rob Gronkowski Play "Mortal Kombat X" With Conan O'Brien - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1vo4eo4 )
1001475;1422815446;BingoBoingo;I haven't
1001476;1422815484;TheNewDeal;I guess Conan has a recurring bit called "Clueless Gamer"
1001477;1422816029;oglafbot;http://oglaf.com/mighty-deeds/
1001478;1422816030;assbot;Mighty Deeds ... ( http://bit.ly/1vo4tQ9 )
1001479;1422816459;mats;kakobrekla: whoops, i copied that message wholesale from another window. meant to share just the link.
1001480;1422816481;kakobrekla;well here, relevant http://xkcd.com
1001481;1422816482;assbot;xkcd: Super Bowl ... ( http://bit.ly/1617o5l )
1001482;1422816484;mats;but i suppose it'd be relevant to americans, today being the Superb Owl
1001483;1422816682;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 72164 @ 0.00036269 = 26.1732 BTC [+] {3} 
1001484;1422816743;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2954 @ 0.00036573 = 1.0804 BTC [+]
1001485;1422817787;TheNewDeal;TomServo what's your status
1001486;1422817870;kakobrekla;have some lulz https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=942404.0;topicseen
1001487;1422817871;assbot;Who is Mircea Popescu?? ... ( http://bit.ly/161e2s8 )
1001488;1422817913;TomServo;TheNewDeal: sup
1001489;1422818349;mircea_popescu;lol so that coinswap thing ran off huh
1001490;1422818364;TheNewDeal;Wondering if you are interested in a meetup today
1001491;1422818384;BingoBoingo;Well, GAW bought it. They still seem to take deposits. Just not so keep on the withdrawals business
1001492;1422818435;mircea_popescu;lol
1001493;1422818436;kakobrekla;withdrawals have been deprecated.
1001494;1422818443;mircea_popescu;^
1001495;1422818451;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 1276 @ 0.00096954 = 1.2371 BTC [-] {2} 
1001496;1422818452;mircea_popescu;TheNewDeal who, me ?
1001497;1422818464;TheNewDeal;TomServo
1001498;1422818475;mircea_popescu;a sorry
1001499;1422818479;TheNewDeal;not a problem
1001500;1422818510;ben_vulpes;withdrawals are an antipatten
1001501;1422818521;ben_vulpes;does anyone have a recommendation for an x11 friendly browser?
1001502;1422818522;mircea_popescu;antipatten on teh bakken ?
1001503;1422818531;mircea_popescu;lynx!
1001504;1422818555;ben_vulpes;i guess i gotta, huh
1001505;1422818573;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 1403 @ 0.00096954 = 1.3603 BTC [-] {3} 
1001506;1422818614;ben_vulpes;mnah i don't think that's actually going to work so well
1001507;1422818808;BingoBoingo;ben_vulpes: xxxterm
1001508;1422818830;mircea_popescu;isn't that for pronz only ?
1001509;1422818844;BingoBoingo;Well, is the web for the same thing?
1001510;1422818868;mircea_popescu;a right
1001511;1422818953;BingoBoingo;Trilema, and Qntra look pretty good in xxxterm
1001512;1422818978;mircea_popescu;:p
1001513;1422818993;BingoBoingo;http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/texas-boy-suspended-bringing-ring-power-school-article-1.2099103
1001514;1422818994;assbot;Texas boy suspended after bringing 'ring of power' to school - NY Daily News ... ( http://bit.ly/161jXh2 )
1001515;1422819023;BingoBoingo;xxxterm is an actual browser though, perfect for ben_vulpes
1001516;1422819389;jurov;sooo.. asciilifeform sent email with wordwrapped-after-clearsigned text and with attachemnts bigger than 1024k limit
1001517;1422819396;jurov;fixed and published
1001518;1422819452;jurov;i never thought it will become channel for binaries distribution
1001519;1422819584;decimation;http://www.ronpaulinstitute.org/archives/featured-articles/2015/january/31/march-to-folly-in-ukraine/ << " Yet Washington just announced that by spring, it will deploy unspecified numbers of military “trainers” to Ukraine to help build Kiev’s ramshackle national guard. Also being sent are significant numbers of US special heavy, mine resistant armored vehicles that have been widely used in Afghanistan and Iraq. The US and
1001520;1422819586;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/161mDLs )
1001521;1422819586;decimation;Poland are currently covertly supplying Ukraine with some weapons."
1001522;1422819618;decimation;I would like someone in usg to explain to little people like me why 1) poking russia with a stick is a good idea and 2.) what possible good could come from it
1001523;1422819822;trinque;decimation: this time it will be different.
1001524;1422819835;trinque;the USA is a hyperpower... etc
1001525;1422819849;mircea_popescu;amusingly, orwell has a quote about this very thing.
1001526;1422819874;mircea_popescu;"In one story in the ROVER, for instance, somebody has a tame bear, and as it is a Russian bear, it is nicknamed Trotsky�obviously an echo of the 1917-23 period and not of recent controversies. The clock has stopped at 1910. Britannia rules the waves, and no one has heard of slumps, booms, unemployment, dictatorships, purges or concentration camps."
1001527;1422819901;BingoBoingo;http://isaacbrocksociety.ca/2015/01/17/the-real-reason-that-roger-ver-renounced-us-citizenship/
1001528;1422819903;assbot;The Isaac Brock Society | The real reason that Roger Ver renounced US citizenship ... ( http://bit.ly/161oaBo )
1001529;1422819923;mats;decimation: brinksmanship is how this game is played, yo.
1001530;1422819943;scoopbot;New post on Trilema by Mircea Popescu: http://trilema.com/2015/qntra-sqntr-january-2015-statement/
1001531;1422819959;mats;what does USG care if Putin shuts off the gas?
1001532;1422819986;decimation;mats: what 'game'?  is usg trying to gain a colony in eastern europe
1001533;1422820014;mats;i seriously doubt there's an actual end game, but they'll keep playing anyways
1001534;1422820017;BingoBoingo;http://gorillarabbit.net/posts/
1001535;1422820018;assbot;Posts | Gorilla Rabbit ... ( http://bit.ly/161oIam )
1001536;1422820037;mircea_popescu;gotta keep playin'!!1
1001537;1422820053;mats;maybe they wanna put up moar missile sites near .ru
1001538;1422820056;mircea_popescu;who's isaac broc ?
1001539;1422820058;trinque;the game is just pumping up defense spending
1001540;1422820077;trinque;rather, there's no game and it's a runaway process of it's own
1001541;1422820096;decimation;I guess.  Like, if there were anti-us rebels in mexico, I think usg would be seriously pissed if russia sent troops to support them
1001542;1422820099;trinque;more enemies == dear god man, look at the stock market!!11!!!
1001543;1422820112;mats;gotta fight Putin, you know, the man's "evil" and not a true Christian, etc...
1001544;1422820135;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: Either a British Officer/Administrator who fought America in 1812 or the lead singer of Modest Mouse
1001545;1422820156;mircea_popescu;lol
1001546;1422820174;decimation;mats: actually that's another point - it seems to me that we have more of an interest in giving putin a little of what he wants in exchange for helping put a lid on the crazy muslims
1001547;1422820190;mircea_popescu;dat passive aggressive ro\ger ver bs.,
1001548;1422820190;mircea_popescu;After being told by the US attorney that I would be sent to jail for seven or eight years if I took my case to trial I signed a plea agreement. At the sentencing the judge asked me if anyone threatened or coerced me in any way to sign the plea agreement. When I said �Yes, absolutely,� the judge�s eyes became very wide and he asked �what do you mean?� I explained that the US attorney told me that he would send
1001549;1422820190;mircea_popescu; me to jail for seven or eight years if I didn�t sign the plea agreement. The judge responded that that was not what he was asking about, so I replied that I must not understand what it means to be threatened or coerced. The judge then proceeded to lecture me extensively on politics. He carried on about why government is so important and how �taxes are the price we pay for a civilized society� and that government
1001550;1422820193;mircea_popescu; is wonderful in general. He summed up his lecture by telling me that, �I don�t want you to think that your political views have anything to do with why you are here today,� and then sentenced me to serve ten months in federal prison.
1001551;1422820197;mircea_popescu;wtf, srsly ? that's it ?
1001552;1422820203;mircea_popescu;"i signed it, but i TOLD MOM I DUN LIKLE IT!!11"
1001553;1422820230;mircea_popescu;trying to take these schmoes seriously is not unlike trying to make an army of toddlers.
1001554;1422820241;mats;decimation: if there was anybody bright running the show, they'd exactly cave to Putin and let him slaughter the muslamics in europe
1001555;1422820242;mircea_popescu;"don't chew on the gun, billy! stand up tommy!"
1001556;1422820247;trinque;lol
1001557;1422820254;mats;solve that problem rightaway
1001558;1422820267;decimation;mats: yeah I think we are on the same page
1001559;1422820271;mircea_popescu;mats putin is not as against teh muslims as you imagine.
1001560;1422820340;mircea_popescu;i'll bet you as a for instance that the way he sees it, the muslims taking over europe east of the danube is perfect, inasmuch as they'll do away with the feminists, transsexuals, redditards etceteras on their own dime.
1001561;1422820362;mats;i didn't mean to venture that he wanted to own more of europe
1001562;1422820365;jurov;you mean west of the danube?
1001563;1422820373;mats;much like nobody wants detroit
1001564;1422820377;decimation;yeah, in somalia
1001565;1422820396;asciilifeform;http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2015-February/000039.html << ty jurov
1001566;1422820397;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1zKPVvv )
1001567;1422820404;asciilifeform;danielpbarron ^
1001568;1422820466;mircea_popescu;and by east of the danube i mean west of the danube, of course
1001569;1422820505;asciilifeform;obligatory >>>> http://poetry.about.com/od/poemsbytitleb/l/blkiplingballadeastandwest.htm
1001570;1422820507;assbot;The Ballad of East and West by Rudyard Kipling ... ( http://bit.ly/1zKQaqr )
1001571;1422820509;decimation;why don't muslims settle in romania and moldova?
1001572;1422820523;trinque;muslims don't seem to "settle"
1001573;1422820598;jurov;decimation, these countries are not welcoming to any immigrants
1001574;1422820605;trinque;ah I misunderstood
1001575;1422820632;trinque;there are european countries that are actually resisting being invaded?
1001576;1422820698;decimation;jurov: those countries don't have a problem sending emigrants to other countries...
1001577;1422820708;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 49400 @ 0.00036573 = 18.0671 BTC [+]
1001578;1422820712;jurov;so?
1001579;1422820722;decimation;https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islam_in_Europe  << has a map
1001580;1422820725;assbot;Islam in Europe - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ... ( http://bit.ly/1zKQKVb )
1001581;1422820765;trinque;decimation: wow, that would not have been my assumption given the proximity of eastern europe..
1001582;1422820878;jurov;eastern europe is deeply suspicious of any immigrants
1001583;1422820931;BingoBoingo;Eastern Europe sounds a lot like Wisconsin or Minnesota, except less Nordic
1001584;1422820988;mircea_popescu;nah. eastern europe is basically astoria, queens and brooklyn
1001585;1422820994;mircea_popescu;except much larger.
1001586;1422821015;BingoBoingo;Ah
1001587;1422821041;mats;this makes me sad about my options
1001588;1422821042;mircea_popescu;(and contrary to what everyone is willing to admit, it actually includes italy and about half of germany plus austria)
1001589;1422821079;decimation;poor Vienna, her star has fallen thus
1001590;1422821092;mats;i dun really wanna go back to asia and i worry about being able to fit in, in sudamerica
1001591;1422821096;mircea_popescu;lol fallen. vienna's stars ARE BUILT OF THUS.
1001592;1422821116;decimation;heh yeah that is true
1001593;1422821125;mircea_popescu;this eastern europe = sucks thing is new, really. what do oyu think tyhe blue danube is about, normandy ?
1001594;1422821162;mircea_popescu;mats ever tried it ?
1001595;1422821183;mircea_popescu;certainly the women look a lot less like perambulating pancakes.
1001596;1422821188;mats;rude
1001597;1422821194;mircea_popescu;that's me.
1001598;1422821206;mats;you hate me
1001599;1422821211;mircea_popescu;i don't hate you lol.
1001600;1422821225;mats;i'm kidding. but no, i haven't been to south america yet
1001601;1422821233;mircea_popescu;well so then why worry.
1001602;1422821244;*;trinque imagines if/when he ever moves, his accent will get him beaten in an alley somewhere
1001603;1422821254;mircea_popescu;an
1001604;1422821266;mircea_popescu; i tell you something else : teh muslims are reasonably fun to be around.
1001605;1422821269;decimation;I'm not implying that eastern europe sucks, what I meant was that their fortunes have changed such that they are no longer a proud empire, but instead a collection of wayward sheep
1001606;1422821284;mircea_popescu;for one thing, you don't have to explain to them that your harem's your harem and what's it for.
1001607;1422821296;mircea_popescu;when talking things through with teenaged cunt such cultural support helps.
1001608;1422821348;mircea_popescu;decimation revolution really means rotation, you know ? this is what europe does, essentially it's a falling rods press for other people.
1001609;1422821395;decimation;aye, no nation or empire possesses the 'conch shell' forever
1001610;1422821582;mircea_popescu;trinque dude, if i could find a hundred people willing to beat up anyone in an alley on the basis of their accent in this country
1001611;1422821589;mircea_popescu;i'd have been inaugurated president like yesterday.
1001612;1422821604;mircea_popescu;the current one only has like... 3. and they're inept.
1001613;1422822330;kakobrekla;http://shrani.si/f/1W/pf/PPsJe7S/slika-z-jadrana-jebemti-.jpg
1001614;1422822331;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1zKUSVg )
1001615;1422822424;mircea_popescu;ahahaha
1001616;1422822547;kakobrekla;this is how eastern europe is like
1001617;1422822669;mircea_popescu;hungry for more ?
1001618;1422822720;asciilifeform;kakobrekla: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=20-03-2014#570183 << obligatory
1001619;1422822720;assbot;Logged on 20-03-2014 14:20:09; asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: 'cum se suge pula' << can't help but associate this in my head with the finnish proverb, 'Pillu se on pulullakin'
1001620;1422822781;mircea_popescu;mut raja se o reij�ll�kin
1001621;1422823016;danielpbarron;well i got asciilifeform's bastard binary working (or would anyone prefer i try traditional) on my pogoplug; still setting up an environment to build it myself (sorry i'm kinda rusty at all this)
1001622;1422823026;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 74200 @ 0.00036573 = 27.1372 BTC [+]
1001623;1422823066;mircea_popescu;i think traditional's dead.
1001624;1422823078;mircea_popescu;i had hoped it may pull through, but...
1001625;1422823128;asciilifeform;that means one or more of you lot are stuck with the misery of actually reading that patch.
1001626;1422823134;asciilifeform;because all four of my Shiva-hands are full.
1001627;1422823188;danielpbarron;    "blocks" : 24500,
1001628;1422823339;danielpbarron;and it just died
1001629;1422823405;asciilifeform;died silently ?
1001630;1422823444;danielpbarron;not sure what that means
1001631;1422823452;danielpbarron;i was watching debug.log
1001632;1422823454;asciilifeform;danielpbarron: no output?
1001633;1422823467;danielpbarron;it was running as daemon
1001634;1422823490;asciilifeform;danielpbarron: run in console as nohup /path/to/bitcoind -datadir /wherever/you/have/it &
1001635;1422823503;asciilifeform;then see nohup.out for stdout
1001636;1422823606;mircea_popescu;^
1001637;1422823665;xanthyos;http://i.gyazo.com/6c04a4bb024f02eb0cbb9f5a72f94700.png
1001638;1422823667;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1zKYEOj )
1001639;1422823703;danielpbarron;Error: Specified directory does not exist
1001640;1422823809;trinque;after reading that article which mentioned the coy response I see it *everywhere*
1001641;1422823816;asciilifeform;danielpbarron: change the paths to equal yours, srsly
1001642;1422823859;danielpbarron;i did lol
1001643;1422823872;danielpbarron;not that stupid :p
1001644;1422823930;asciilifeform;-datadir=
1001645;1422823932;asciilifeform;damn.
1001646;1422824023;BingoBoingo;Nice family xanthyos
1001647;1422824035;asciilifeform;danielpbarron: and find out whether process actually died, or merely went into one of the up to hour-long fugues the bastard bitcoind goes into when everybody it connects to wants nothing but to supply bastards
1001648;1422824044;danielpbarron;ah i see
1001649;1422824057;asciilifeform;though normally this is extremely noisy on debug.log
1001650;1422824085;scoopbot;New post on Qntra.net by Bingo Boingo: http://qntra.net/2015/02/preet-bharara-and-dratel-battle-over-defense-witness-plain-text-of-filings/
1001651;1422824470;mircea_popescu;trinque duh.
1001652;1422824482;mircea_popescu;incidentally, this is what college is you kno ?
1001653;1422824492;mircea_popescu;that place where you hear things that then restructure your perception.
1001654;1422824541;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo the us is now fighting indians with indians ?
1001655;1422824557;BingoBoingo;Looks like it
1001656;1422824584;ben_vulpes;<asciilifeform> danielpbarron: and find out whether process actually died, or merely went into one of the up to hour-long fugues the bastard bitcoind goes into when everybody it connects to wants nothing but to supply bastards << in these fuges, does it report that "WARNING: Displayed transactions may not be correct!  You may need to upgrade, or other nodes may need to upgrade." ?
1001657;1422824665;danielpbarron;terminate called after throwing an instance of 'std::bad_alloc'
1001658;1422824856;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 47172 @ 0.00036642 = 17.2848 BTC [+] {3} 
1001659;1422825085;asciilifeform;does it report that "WARNING: Displayed transactions may not be correct!... << not here.
1001660;1422825104;asciilifeform;danielpbarron: that's a standard oomkill
1001661;1422825114;asciilifeform;danielpbarron: didja start with a brand-new blockchain ?
1001662;1422825128;asciilifeform;and with nothing substantial else running on the box
1001663;1422825132;ben_vulpes;so xxxterm furned into xombrero which maintained by conformal?
1001664;1422825135;ben_vulpes;plot!
1001665;1422825154;danielpbarron;asciilifeform, ya
1001666;1422825178;BingoBoingo;ben_vulpes: It did
1001667;1422825371;scoopbot;New post on Trilema by Mircea Popescu: http://trilema.com/2015/aseara-fusei-la-una/
1001668;1422826145;danielpbarron;started it over again, this time it's up to height=52820 still going
1001669;1422826158;danielpbarron;without tail -f running
1001670;1422826366;mircea_popescu;cazalla fwiw, the state has an ironclad case for rejecting the proposed testimony.
1001671;1422826380;mircea_popescu;it was ineptly introduced.
1001672;1422826381;xanthyos;got a new windows 8 machine and i really don't like what computers have become
1001673;1422826391;xanthyos;i miss the mechanical red switch on my 286
1001674;1422826471;asciilifeform;actual computers not banned yet
1001675;1422826472;asciilifeform;get one.
1001676;1422826481;asciilifeform;it'll cost more after ban.
1001677;1422826521;xanthyos;i wonder how much the hardware itself is compromised regardless of the OS i use
1001678;1422826559;xanthyos;i don't like the concept of "apps"
1001679;1422826618;xanthyos;noone has to look for the exe anymore
1001680;1422826672;cazalla;i don't think they have for a long time xanthyos, which is why 18f_tits.jpg.exe worked so well lol
1001681;1422826698;mats;probably all, xanthyos
1001682;1422826717;asciilifeform;coprophagia is, yet, (for now!) a voluntary thing.
1001683;1422826720;xanthyos;heh
1001684;1422826869;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: I was mostly interested in linking the zombie's name to the NeoBee thing yet again. There's little left in the Ulbricht case capable of being interesting until appeals are filed.
1001685;1422826883;BingoBoingo;And Preet isn't objecting on inpetness of the introduction.
1001686;1422826907;mircea_popescu;well yes, that part is funny. preet is objecting to the defense calling its own witnesses because "the government already did that"
1001687;1422826929;mircea_popescu;as if that's how things work. but hey, in obamaland, north of chad, that's exactly how they do work
1001688;1422826935;mircea_popescu;and who's to know any better ?
1001689;1422826938;mats;http://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/architecture-and-technology/intel-active-management-technology.html << ships 'off by default'. backdoor.
1001690;1422826939;assbot;Intel® Active Management Technology (Intel® AMT) ... ( http://bit.ly/161Ws7l )
1001691;1422827037;danielpbarron;it's hung up on block 56154 but still running and receiving data
1001692;1422827075;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: My personal interpretation of the filing is that Preet want the record to reflect objecting to Andreas, while not successfull preventing the zombie's testimony.
1001693;1422827243;mircea_popescu;mebbe.
1001694;1422827450;BingoBoingo;Too mebbe to make that explicit in the summary.
1001695;1422827561;mircea_popescu;myea
1001696;1422827601;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20800 @ 0.00036405 = 7.5722 BTC [-]
1001697;1422827805;trinque;mircea_popescu | that place where you hear things that then restructure your perception. << I went to a shitty public institution, found it a waste of my time, departed early. I would've loved to experience such a place, glad I stumbled in here.
1001698;1422827930;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo cazalla going by https://www.quantcast.com/qntra.net re top sites / audience interests : mebbe it's worth your time to write to pando, silicon angle writers (individually) see if they want to submit a piece for qntra ?
1001699;1422827931;assbot;                  Qntra.net Traffic and Demographic Statistics by Quantcast                   ... ( http://bit.ly/1z30vvN )
1001700;1422827956;mircea_popescu;gotta start unraveling the worm sometime/somewhere.
1001701;1422827976;BingoBoingo;Sounds like a plan.
1001702;1422828318;mircea_popescu;PeterL: nominally US is a federation, but [..] << the argument that austro-hungary was a federation of nations, whereas the us is a federation of nobodies does not in fact bolster its prospects to any degree.
1001703;1422828405;mircea_popescu;yes, you're righyt, which is why the "Indivisibiliter ac Inseparabiliter" domains of His Imperial and Royal Apostolic Majesty, FJ yielded stuff like the bohemian kingdom.
1001704;1422828422;mircea_popescu;whereas an ozarks duchy seems improbable on the face.
1001705;1422828589;BingoBoingo;<mircea_popescu> whereas an ozarks duchy seems improbable on the face. << A singular Ozark Dutchy yes, but a collection of Ozark hamlets that in confederation raids Kansas with some regularity is possible
1001706;1422828599;mircea_popescu;and quite likely.
1001707;1422828753;BingoBoingo;Chicagoland might live on as a very poor Duchy
1001708;1422828782;trinque;it's my understanding that chiraq is pretty well armed
1001709;1422828825;trinque;maybe we get a hip-hop producing boko haram out of it
1001710;1422828826;BingoBoingo;trinque: Sure, but so are the near rural areas which don't like Chicagoland
1001711;1422828835;trinque;true enough
1001712;1422828854;mircea_popescu;incidentally, since we're on this topic :
1001713;1422828856;mircea_popescu;Franz Joseph von Gottes Gnaden Erw�hlter R�mischer Kaiser allzeit Mehrer des Reiches Erblicher Kaiser von �sterreich K�nig von Germanien; Apostolischer K�nig von Ungarn; K�nig von B�hmen Dalmatien Kroatien Slawonien Galizien Lodomerien und Illyrien ; K�nig von Jerusalem etc.; Erzherzog von �sterreich; Gro�herzog von Toskana und Krakau ; Herzog von Lothringen Salzburg W�rzburg Franken Steiermark K�rnten Krai
1001714;1422828856;mircea_popescu;n und der Bukowina ; Gro�f�rst von Siebenb�rgen ; Markgraf von M�hren ; Herzog von Sandomir Masowien Lublin Ober- und Nieder schlesien Modena Parma Piacenza Guastalla Auschwitz Zator Teschen Friaul Ragusa und Zara ; Gef�rsteter Graf von Habsburg und Tirol Kyburg G�rz und Gradisca; F�rst von Trient und Brixen ; Markgraf von Ober- und Nieder lausitz und in Istrien ; Graf von Hohenems Feldkirch Bregenz Sonnenberg e
1001715;1422828857;mircea_popescu;tc.; Herr von Triest von Cattaro und auf der windischen Mark; Gro�woiwode der Woiwodschaft Serbien ; Prinz von Berchtesgaden und Mergentheim und so weiter.
1001716;1422828861;mircea_popescu;note the usw = and so forth.
1001717;1422828883;mircea_popescu;now imagine it in the us you know, herzog of frankfort and ruler of the kansas marches
1001718;1422828945;mircea_popescu;(a marsh is not a swamp, but a disputed and difficult to defend border land. which is to say a swamp.)
1001719;1422829004;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 320 @ 0.00577078 = 1.8466 BTC [-] {16} 
1001720;1422829195;BingoBoingo;trinque: I think the Chicagoland Duchy may at sometimes though claim influence as far south as Peoria, might raid as far south as Kentucky, but doubt they wil get to St Louis with regularity seeing the problem the river represents
1001721;1422829233;mircea_popescu;the margrave of chicago eh ?
1001722;1422829309;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 68100 @ 0.00036332 = 24.7421 BTC [-] {2} 
1001723;1422829335;BingoBoingo;I imagine it as a sort of Byzantium, well placed, but not really loved by anyone.
1001724;1422829513;BingoBoingo;It might be just as likely Chicago exists as a Vassal state of Archer Daniel Midland of Western Illinois in one of the the greatest reversals on the bezzel order.
1001725;1422829555;BingoBoingo;;;google Forgotonia
1001726;1422829556;gribble;Forgottonia - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Forgottonia>; Kadner: 'Forgotonia' may lose planned Illiana Expressway ...: <http://southtownstar.suntimes.com/news/kadner/22647489-452/kadner-forgotonia-may-lose-planned-illiana-expressway.html>; McDonough County, Illinois, USA - Infobahn Outfitters: <http://www.outfitters.com/illinois/mcdonough/>
1001727;1422829589;BingoBoingo;Western Illinois came closer to seceeding from Illinois than SOuthern Illinois ever did.
1001728;1422829687;mircea_popescu;http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/d1/J.Reiner_-_Attentat_auf_Kaiser_Franz_Joseph.jpg << surprise buttseks ?!
1001729;1422830102;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 83450 @ 0.00036516 = 30.4726 BTC [+] {3} 
1001730;1422830682;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: turdogram incoming!
1001731;1422830689;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: jan. `15 broadcast.
1001732;1422830736;mircea_popescu;cool.
1001733;1422830743;asciilifeform;damn, gpg mutilated my ascii art.
1001734;1422830747;asciilifeform;my beautiful artz
1001735;1422830828;mircea_popescu;lol
1001736;1422830841;mircea_popescu;ascii arts is for fucking with.
1001737;1422830876;mircea_popescu;decimation : re the "russia supporting independent mexico" thing : this has already ahppened. napoleon iii fromed a mexican monarchy, under maximillian. the us refused to recognise.
1001738;1422830906;asciilifeform;who doesn't know about poor maximillian and his souvenir nose.
1001739;1422830933;asciilifeform;(his firing squad, according to legend, was so large that he sorta fell apart, and various pieces were parcelled out as keepsakes)
1001740;1422830956;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 85950 @ 0.00037075 = 31.866 BTC [+] {2} 
1001741;1422831094;asciilifeform;blockheight=230170 (bastard node)
1001742;1422831100;mircea_popescu;o hey
1001743;1422831119;mircea_popescu;so explain again and in full detail what the bastardization consists of ?
1001744;1422831128;asciilifeform;the skull'n'crossbones patch
1001745;1422831132;danielpbarron;56882 here, hasn't stopped since block 0 on this run
1001746;1422831140;asciilifeform;http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2015-January/000038.html <<<<< that one
1001747;1422831140;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1Kfln4D )
1001748;1422831167;asciilifeform;a backport of the bozos' mechanizm for purging bastards (in their lexicon, 'orphans')
1001749;1422831177;asciilifeform;http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/attachments/20150130/asciilifeform-orphanage-burner_80eb450469d93b270aa160e26b4cdab732add2c4.patch
1001750;1422831178;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1yqROHJ )
1001751;1422831179;mircea_popescu;by limiuting to 750 ?
1001752;1422831181;asciilifeform;^ readn'weep
1001753;1422831189;asciilifeform;750 << or any other constant
1001754;1422831194;asciilifeform;in the binary danielpbarron is using, it's 250
1001755;1422831199;mircea_popescu;i'd rather have an oral specification to go with the codical specification.
1001756;1422831202;mircea_popescu;which is why i say.
1001757;1422831232;asciilifeform;the magic constant that results in a usable 'pogo', if such exists, has not, afaik, been determined yet.
1001758;1422831262;asciilifeform;the bozomatic bitcoin (0.9.something) has a command line flag to optionally specify this value
1001759;1422831272;asciilifeform;i did not backport it, because didn't even think this would fly
1001760;1422831288;asciilifeform;tried to keep the phoundation crud to a bare min.
1001761;1422831327;asciilifeform;most of what you see in that patch is only there because the fuckers changed the data structure used to represent the bastard blocks
1001762;1422831343;asciilifeform;a substantially more compact but logically-equivalent mechanism is possible, i dare say
1001763;1422831348;asciilifeform;perhaps ben_vulpes ^^^^^ .
1001764;1422831352;asciilifeform;or mod6
1001765;1422831358;asciilifeform;or someone for fuck's sake other than meee plz
1001766;1422831401;mircea_popescu;lol
1001767;1422831421;asciilifeform;for instance, that marsaglia rng thing is probably unnecessary
1001768;1422831434;asciilifeform;toss it, replace with call to whatever rng is presently in use
1001769;1422831443;asciilifeform;now it's again half as long.
1001770;1422831486;asciilifeform;i could have sworn we had other folks in here who can/willing-to program....
1001771;1422831488;asciilifeform;chetty?!
1001772;1422831504;mircea_popescu;what, you want eulora to take a year between releases too ?!
1001773;1422831506;asciilifeform;lol
1001774;1422831508;asciilifeform;nein
1001775;1422831515;asciilifeform;teach the gurlz cpp or sumthing
1001776;1422831531;mircea_popescu;who, amanda hess ?
1001777;1422831535;asciilifeform;whozzat
1001778;1422831545;asciilifeform;!s amanda hess
1001779;1422831546;assbot;2 results for 'amanda hess' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=amanda+hess
1001780;1422831563;mircea_popescu;"I'm a Slate staff writer. I've reported on sex, Hollywood, teenagers, media, technology, and the ladies for places like WIRED, ESPN The Magazine, NYMag. com"
1001781;1422831583;asciilifeform;l0l!!
1001782;1422831597;mircea_popescu;aka "i'm one of about two hundred or so otherwise unemployable idiots my age that have made a confederacy and are trying to monopolize uninteresting but cheap media writing"
1001783;1422831650;asciilifeform;speaking of which,
1001784;1422831651;asciilifeform;http://qz.com/312464/in-china-highly-educated-women-are-mocked-as-a-sexless-third-gender
1001785;1422831653;assbot;In China, highly educated women are mocked as a sexless “third gender”  –  Quartz ... ( http://bit.ly/1yqTGAh )
1001786;1422831665;asciilifeform;^ mega-lol
1001787;1422831669;asciilifeform;'nuns of no mercy'
1001788;1422831699;mircea_popescu;this is, as you'd expect, a very convenient western misrepresentation.
1001789;1422831704;asciilifeform;no shit.
1001790;1422831740;mircea_popescu;"highly educated women are deeply respected and in high demand. highly offensive idiots who lay claim to an "education"they do not have but aspire to nevertheless "demonstrate" through circle jerking are despised and actively discouraged"
1001791;1422831758;mircea_popescu;a distinction i see no problem with. amanda hess in chains is not a women's issue, it's a stupid women's issue.
1001792;1422831885;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform btw, re maximillian : he hung of his own hand, basically. man lands in mexico at the invitation of the elite, sees the conditions of the poor and figures "hey, this shocking difference i perceive from the situation in europe is in no sense and to no degree a warning to me! the right thing to do is obviously ignoring reality and behaving according to imagination!!!"
1001793;1422831911;mircea_popescu;few years later, with the elite firmly pissed off and the liberals bolstered by the "hey, even the german emperor agrees with our ideas", he got what libertards generally get.
1001794;1422832594;asciilifeform;https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maximilian_I_of_Mexico#mediaviewer/File:The_Last_moments_of_Maximilian.jpg
1001795;1422832597;assbot;Maximilian I of Mexico - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ... ( http://bit.ly/1yqXO3d )
1001796;1422832691;asciilifeform;unrelated,
1001797;1422832712;asciilifeform;does anyone else find it remarkable how readily the 0.5.3.x irc seeding mechanism still works ?
1001798;1422832729;asciilifeform;and when it was discarded by the phoundation? 0.6 ?
1001799;1422832755;asciilifeform;would be interesting to see a robotic probe tell us wtf lurks in that channel
1001800;1422832893;asciilifeform;likewise unrelated,
1001801;1422832894;asciilifeform;http://www.royalforkblog.com
1001802;1422832895;assbot;The Royal Fork ... ( http://bit.ly/1zsauuU )
1001803;1422832897;asciilifeform;^ do we know him ?
1001804;1422832943;mircea_popescu;nope
1001805;1422832977;asciilifeform;pretty good expository work in there.
1001806;1422832994;asciilifeform;http://www.royalforkblog.com/2014/08/11/graphical-address-generator
1001807;1422832995;assbot;Graphical Address Generator ... ( http://bit.ly/1zsaVWf )
1001808;1422833001;asciilifeform;http://www.royalforkblog.com/2014/11/20/txn-demo
1001809;1422833002;assbot;Deconstructing Transactions ... ( http://bit.ly/1zsaXNI )
1001810;1422833002;asciilifeform;etc
1001811;1422833014;mircea_popescu;shot the guy an email.
1001812;1422833172;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes: "why?" << this thing where you  embrace extend and run into the wall a reasonable idea is for teh dogs.
1001813;1422833180;mircea_popescu;ri really shouldhave all the magic numbers in a config file.
1001814;1422833187;asciilifeform;^^^^^^
1001815;1422833339;cazalla;looks like another bitcoin ad network calling it quits http://bitcoinads.com/sale.php
1001816;1422833340;assbot;BitcoinAds - Contact ... ( http://bit.ly/1zscinK )
1001817;1422833457;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 24 @ 0.06202125 = 1.4885 BTC [-] {5} 
1001818;1422833465;mircea_popescu;kakobrekla: have some lulz << lol check out all the disinterested forum experts. ognasty, "Pool your bitcoins with others. Vote on solutions using the Bitcoin blockchain. " all sorts of laudable.
1001819;1422833762;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 71205 @ 0.0003593 = 25.584 BTC [-] {3} 
1001820;1422834078;asciilifeform;'Software may be "open sourced" by various companies who depend on that software to do their business (Puppet, Chef and Go are all excellent examples of the pattern: monolithic software projects of such scale that they either approach or actually are their own languages for which the source is freely available, but the source for which nobody is really supposed to read), but in nearly all of those cases the code may as well be
1001821;1422834078;asciilifeform; a closed hairball for all the interest the entities in question have in documenting and maintaining the various hairballs' (ben_vulpes's www)
1001822;1422834111;asciilifeform;relates to, http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=31-01-2015#1000155 http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=31-01-2015#1000158 http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=31-01-2015#1000160
1001823;1422834111;assbot;Logged on 31-01-2015 19:51:38; asciilifeform: 'golang' is in the same league as apple's 'darwin' unix kernel. a whole zoological kingdom of pseudo-open, where, yes, theoretically you can read source, but it is not -for you-
1001824;1422834111;assbot;Logged on 31-01-2015 19:52:18; asciilifeform: and if interests of vendor conflict with yours in any way, the conflict will be subtly and perfidiously resolved in favour of vendor
1001825;1422834111;assbot;Logged on 31-01-2015 19:52:45; asciilifeform: the solution to turdlangs is, to crib from clinton era anti-dope slogan, 'be smart - don't start'
1001826;1422834130;asciilifeform;i've been meaning to write an article on the subject of 'pseudo-open' for... ~5 yrs now
1001827;1422834174;asciilifeform;had an early draft where it was phrased in a particularly comedic (unintentionally) way, where, parody of rms and his 'software freedoms,' the sqrt(-1)-th 'freedom' was to be 'freedom to understand'
1001828;1422834227;asciilifeform;(meaning equal to 'fits in head')
1001829;1422834320;asciilifeform;since this place is quiet, i will take the liberty to blather at length;
1001830;1422834341;asciilifeform;for some years i earned bread as a 'reverse engineer'
1001831;1422834381;asciilifeform;and i will say that none of the items i have worked with (and they were samples of malware, in some cases elaborately obfuscated) remotely approached the ugliness and gnarliness of bitcoind.
1001832;1422834388;asciilifeform;and these were winblows binaries.
1001833;1422834397;asciilifeform;again, will repeat, often elaborately obfuscated
1001834;1422834439;asciilifeform;point of this story is that 'open' source that is not accessible to the human mind with reasonable effort, may as well be 'closed'
1001835;1422834471;asciilifeform;and in fact, to present it as 'open' is an ethically questionable proposition
1001836;1422834511;asciilifeform;and to answer the objections of possibly lurking idiots in advance - no, it is not because bitcoin is mathematically complicated
1001837;1422834512;asciilifeform;it isn't.
1001838;1422834527;asciilifeform;and the notion that it is, is purely a mirage created by the hairball
1001839;1422834564;asciilifeform;the original birth of said hairball may have been unintentional (mr s couldn't really program) - but its present state is not.
1001840;1422834588;asciilifeform;!s glued with glass
1001841;1422834589;assbot;1 results for 'glued with glass' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=glued+with+glass
1001842;1422834591;asciilifeform;etc.
1001843;1422834657;*;asciilifeform had more to say, but his 'wrath' emotion register bit is set, and hard to think straight.
1001844;1422835409;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 77550 @ 0.00035824 = 27.7815 BTC [-] {2} 
1001845;1422835416;cazalla;oh, garza never ceases to provide the lulz.. his $20 honour program was to go live today.. posts this a few days back https://i.imgur.com/1RjXbe4.png and now the day of launch.. http://blog.paybase.com/status-of-honor-program/ " As previously reported, we are reviewing with counsel the features of the Honors Program and what if any aspects of the program may require regulatory approval. We intend to proceed based upon advise of counsel and
1001846;1422835417;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1HGWCT0 )
1001847;1422835418;assbot;Status of Honor Program ... ( http://bit.ly/1HGWBhK )
1001848;1422835418;cazalla;will provide updates as developments warrant."
1001849;1422835677;ben_vulpes;eg "we ain't buyin yer shitcoins"
1001850;1422835682;ben_vulpes;man i wrote hairball a lot last night
1001851;1422835702;ben_vulpes;side note: that's the informal name for the infrastructure provisioning tool i wrote for internal use
1001852;1422835870;trinque;asciilifeform: at least one might hope that even they've lost track of which pieces of tech they've weakened over the years, such that they've weakened themselves as well
1001853;1422835958;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 258 @ 0.00763406 = 1.9696 BTC [+] {6} 
1001854;1422836116;trinque;put more clearly, does the thing committing industrial-scale corruption of software provide the rest of govt a reliable map of which things are unsafe to use. I'd think not
1001855;1422836147;asciilifeform;trinque: http://www.loper-os.org/?p=1323 << on the subject
1001856;1422836149;assbot;Loper OS » A Country of Which Nothing is Known but the Name. ... ( http://bit.ly/1HH0sM3 )
1001857;1422836263;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 71169 @ 0.00036954 = 26.2998 BTC [+] {3} 
1001858;1422836324;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35254 @ 0.00037267 = 13.1381 BTC [+]
1001859;1422836385;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 107213 @ 0.00037412 = 40.1105 BTC [+] {3} 
1001860;1422836458;trinque;wince laptop?!
1001861;1422836460;*;trinque reads on
1001862;1422836528;trinque;asciilifeform: I think I see your point; the answer is not "yes, oops" but "Yes as a matter of policy."
1001863;1422836554;*;asciilifeform is a very reluctant believer in 'oops'es
1001864;1422836572;trinque;damn, that makes a great deal of sense.
1001865;1422836671;trinque;seems to rule out what I said too. That they might have underlings use weakened crypto provides them greater control over them, and eh, if they get intercepted/caught/etc they were expendable in the first place.
1001866;1422836719;trinque;as you point out, the things that really matter use crypto that (afaik) works
1001867;1422836750;asciilifeform;works in their sense, not ours
1001868;1422837399;asciilifeform;http://www.uwgb.edu/DutchS/PSEUDOSC/WhyNoConspiracies.HTM << steve dutch descends to new level of usg fellatio
1001869;1422837400;assbot;Why I Don't Believe in Conspiracy Theories ... ( http://bit.ly/1HH7gcr )
1001870;1422838444;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform so write it.
1001871;1422838514;mircea_popescu;<asciilifeform> and the notion that it is, is purely a mirage created by the hairball << bitcoin is certainly simple.
1001872;1422838561;mircea_popescu;cazalla your pics put the finger on the point : this is why we despise them.
1001873;1422838567;mircea_popescu;" community" or w/e they are.
1001874;1422838635;mircea_popescu;trinque obviously it does not work in the favour of the bureaucracy. for the simple reason that the incentives of the talented, the smart and the valuables never are nor ever could be alligned with socialism.
1001875;1422838673;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform "yes, as a matter of policy, in the sense an addict's untimely death is a matter of his own policy"
1001876;1422838754;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform the steve dutch piece is funny because... "i lie" gets transmorgrified into "they lie" in such a predictable fashion.
1001877;1422838770;mircea_popescu;yes, i'm sure "they" lie, notwithstanding that "they" doesn't even exist as such outside of the sufferer's sufferances.
1001878;1422838886;mircea_popescu;http://trilema.com/2014/o-hai-let-me-wanna-be/#comment-111914 << meanwhile from the sufferers under the "code is poetteringy" mullenweg regime.
1001879;1422838887;assbot;O hai let me wanna-be! pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.  ... ( http://bit.ly/162W3ll )
1001880;1422838893;mircea_popescu;clearly... "they lie".
1001881;1422839050;danielpbarron;made it to 93225 and it seems to have stopped without producing any errors in either debug.log or nohup.out
1001882;1422839068;trinque;mircea_popescu: is this the classic paranoia that the underlings are all out to get the leadership, as manifested in tech?
1001883;1422839098;trinque;bin laden seemed to do pretty well in turning our system inward on itself
1001884;1422839171;mircea_popescu;trinque im not sure what you're asking ?
1001885;1422839185;mircea_popescu;;;later tell fabianb empyex sick ?
1001886;1422839185;gribble;The operation succeeded.
1001887;1422839201;trinque;trying to pull it into words... it would seem to be a sign of institutional illness, autoimmune disorder
1001888;1422839443;trinque;mircea_popescu: I remember you talking about whether Stalins rust; I understand him to have succumbed to a great deal of paranoia about underlings coming after him
1001889;1422839469;mircea_popescu;the two are really unrelated.
1001890;1422839473;trinque;this seems a winning strategy, find the top, discover their nightmares, convince them that you're it, you're everywhere, and they're fucked
1001891;1422839484;mircea_popescu;stalins purges were just good politics, if not from a very society-approved paradigm.
1001892;1422839487;trinque;at which point they attack themselves (their country)
1001893;1422839511;trinque;yeah, I'm not qualified to understand how that was perceived internally
1001894;1422839529;mircea_popescu;but yes, that is unrelatedly the winning strategy, and sure, it's working splendidly. in spite of sustained pretense of everyone to you know, "who is mp".
1001895;1422839557;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 83977 @ 0.00035328 = 29.6674 BTC [-] {2} 
1001896;1422839564;mircea_popescu;in other words, there's a lot of value in ~actually being the nightmare~, on the side.
1001897;1422839595;trinque;right
1001898;1422839639;trinque;I took aikido for a while; the teacher always pointed out that while you were using their own movements against them, you could for instance break their neck here, dislocate shoulder with a push an inch that way, etc
1001899;1422839939;BingoBoingo;I'm adding "Giant Golden Tiger driven by invisible slaves" to the wishlist.
1001900;1422839998;mircea_popescu;�The most recent poll showed that the majority of Americans no longer believe the conspiracy theory that a species emitting only 3% of the world�s supply of a poor heat-trapping gas are magically cooling the planet� I mean heating the planet�. or wait, I mean causing the weather to change now.�
1001901;1422839999;mircea_popescu;lol
1001902;1422840404;scoopbot;New post on Trilema by Mircea Popescu: http://trilema.com/2015/minigame-smg-january-2015-statement/
1001903;1422840463;mircea_popescu;mats re your first link : http://trilema.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/02/marko-derp.jpg
1001904;1422840463;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1z3BJvw )
1001905;1422840838;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 106000 @ 0.00034655 = 36.7343 BTC [-] {4} 
1001906;1422840848;mats;ouch
1001907;1422840932;mircea_popescu;yeah well.
1001908;1422840963;mircea_popescu;let them fucking come and worship instead of going around in circles like headless chickens pretending the whole world's a chicken and someone severed its head.
1001909;1422841019;mircea_popescu;"the nonsense we belive in is not really nonsense, which is why we can't hoild a conversation with random people. let's instead talk of sports!"
1001910;1422841338;mircea_popescu;;;later tell pete_dushenski you know these log copies where you capitalize the first letter in a line but not subsequent sentence leads nor 1st person pronouns is very odd looking.
1001911;1422841338;gribble;The operation succeeded.
1001912;1422842068;mircea_popescu;!up Nemesis3
1001913;1422842119;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 132118 @ 0.0003441 = 45.4618 BTC [-]
1001914;1422842139;asciilifeform;234104.
1001915;1422842145;Nemesis3;mircea_popescu hey thanks :) came mostly to keep an eye on the conversation here, I enjoy your website.
1001916;1422842180;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 44082 @ 0.00035927 = 15.8373 BTC [+]
1001917;1422842189;mircea_popescu;cheers.
1001918;1422842192;mircea_popescu;!up bitstein
1001919;1422842201;mircea_popescu;you know how to voice yourself on the new model bitstein ?
1001920;1422842252;bitstein;Still !up in a message to assbot, right?
1001921;1422842264;mircea_popescu;bitspill yes then !v with the decoded bit.
1001922;1422842293;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes http://cascadianhacker.com/blog/2015/02/01_hacking-on-the-satoshi-codebase-some-pointers.html << just reading this thing gives me a blood pressure boost.
1001923;1422842294;assbot;Hacking on the Satoshi Codebase: Some Pointers ... ( http://bit.ly/1AgSTrn )
1001924;1422842323;bitstein;Cool. I like the upgrade with the OTPs for every command.
1001925;1422842327;bitstein;Do I need to re-rate everyone using assbot for the asswot?
1001926;1422842358;mircea_popescu;nope it forked.
1001927;1422842378;mircea_popescu;(no you don't have to redo the history, it was copied over)
1001928;1422842387;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes, mircea_popescu: am i the only one who wonders why 1) checking hashes, inside a pgp-signed script, when patch sigs also are checked 2) patches & their hashes, sigs, listed explicitly, instead of iterating over directory
1001929;1422842401;mircea_popescu;hopefully we'll get a way to automate communication between gribble and assbot once nanotube gets around to it.
1001930;1422842433;danielpbarron;"hypocrites! they forked the WoT but they won't fork bitcoin!"
1001931;1422842485;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 45100 @ 0.00035927 = 16.2031 BTC [+]
1001932;1422842485;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform 1 because allowing two ways to do things never killed anyone and 2 probably because i want to see the stuff. i suspect it's a derivative of the general "fits in head" principle.
1001933;1422842524;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: before very long, this thing will not be readable in the usual sense of the word.
1001934;1422842527;mircea_popescu;danielpbarron nothing hypocritical about it : if WE fork bitcoin, then it's ok. if nobody claims to do it, nobody gets quashed.
1001935;1422842534;asciilifeform;(build script, that is)
1001936;1422842538;danielpbarron;:D
1001937;1422842561;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=21-01-2015#985306
1001938;1422842561;assbot;Logged on 21-01-2015 02:32:39; mircea_popescu: including the actual bitcoin foundation is the correct move there. mod6 ben_vulpes are in charge.
1001939;1422842717;mircea_popescu;"The "Bitcoin Foundation" poured an unforgiveable number of coins into the market to feed Gavin Andresen and his family�and for what? 3 years of development that's just about to get flushed down the drain? The appearance of relevance without any of the hard work of thinking and making things work correctly? [...] Consider the tragedy wrought by an internet forum accidentally blessed with untold riches and weep."
1001940;1422842724;mircea_popescu;teh quite.
1001941;1422842740;mircea_popescu;so much wastage has never seen, not since the great california gold rush at any rate.
1001942;1422842757;mircea_popescu;(btw... the reason silicon valley as a marketable product exists today ? that.)
1001943;1422842776;asciilifeform;the actual gold rush?
1001944;1422842788;asciilifeform;or just similar psychology (obvious fact?)
1001945;1422842799;mircea_popescu;the actual physical gold rush
1001946;1422842808;asciilifeform;how?
1001947;1422842840;mircea_popescu;california minus the gold rush, and the resulting adaptaiton, would have been washington with a coastline.
1001948;1422842873;mircea_popescu;but with it, "that's california for you", something conceptually entrenched already in the times of mark twain. on the basis of which, hollywood, and shockley.
1001949;1422842896;mircea_popescu;you have to understand in 1890 nobody wanted to leave new york (where show biz lived) to go in tumbleweedland.
1001950;1422842903;mircea_popescu;it took time and money to drag them away.
1001951;1422842921;mircea_popescu;it took 50 years, that could only be built because of the previous 50. and so on.
1001952;1422842933;asciilifeform;aha so just what i suspected. i.e., there would be no major population centres in western usa if not for gold rush
1001953;1422842941;mircea_popescu;there would be, yes.
1001954;1422842943;mircea_popescu;mexican speaking.
1001955;1422842960;mircea_popescu;you realise mexico city is larger than all texas, right ?
1001956;1422843024;asciilifeform;iirc archaeologists believe it (predecessor) to have been the first 1M+ city ?
1001957;1422843038;mircea_popescu;i doubt that claim, but it's certainly not impossible.
1001958;1422843087;mircea_popescu;anyway, people readily forget history. siegel had to beg and steal new york money to build, what essentially was, the first building in the desert.
1001959;1422843111;BingoBoingo;http://cascadianhacker.com/blog/2015/02/01_hacking-on-the-satoshi-codebase-some-pointers.html
1001960;1422843112;assbot;Hacking on the Satoshi Codebase: Some Pointers ... ( http://bit.ly/1AgUXj3 )
1001961;1422843113;mircea_popescu;nothing existed there prior, or in the words of sinatra (a man the age of one's grandparents), "this place was sand before i came here and it'll be sand again before i'm done with you!"
1001962;1422843210;mircea_popescu;for that matter, cca 1890 a japanese invasion of the entire west coast was regarded moderately likely and entirely feasible in principle.
1001963;1422843216;Nemesis3;I never thought of that, it really makes sense (about gold rush), i'm still blow away by phoenix and other metropolis in the middle of nowhere
1001964;1422843240;Nemesis3;mircea_popescu then in ww2 the gov took everything from them
1001965;1422843240;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: as late as '42.
1001966;1422843342;mircea_popescu;more importantly : the cost of hay in carson city was 250 dollars per ton in 1962, and had been as much as twice that. at the same time a horse could be had for 30.
1001967;1422843353;mircea_popescu;and yet, arrangements were made to get the hay there.
1001968;1422843364;mircea_popescu;these arrangements, the making thereof, that's what the whole tinseltown is built on.
1001969;1422843371;mircea_popescu;"bring me five poounds of moon cheese!"
1001970;1422843390;asciilifeform;jurov: can we pretty please get the snipped crud out of the lxr? (win32 etc.)
1001971;1422843404;mircea_popescu;here : "Speculation ran riot, and yet there was a world of substantial business going on, too. All freights were brought over the mountains from California (150 miles) by pack-train partly, and partly in huge wagons drawn by such long mule teams that each team amounted to a procession, and it did seem, sometimes, that the grand combined procession of animals stretched unbroken from Virginia to California. Its long rout
1001972;1422843404;mircea_popescu;e was traceable clear across the deserts of the Territory by the writhing serpent of dust it lifted up. By these wagons, freights over that hundred and fifty miles were $200 a ton for small lots (same price for all express matter brought by stage), and $100 a ton for full loads. One Virginia firm received one hundred tons of freight a month, and paid $10,000 a month freightage. In the winter the freights were much high
1001973;1422843404;mircea_popescu;er. All the bullion was shipped in bars by stage to San Francisco (a bar was usually about twice the size of a pig of lead and contained from $1,500 to $3,000 according to the amount of gold mixed with the silver), and the freight on it (when the shipment was large) was one and a quarter per cent. of its intrinsic value."
1001974;1422843437;mircea_popescu;freigthage at 200 gold dollars per ton.
1001975;1422843463;asciilifeform;circa 1849 ?
1001976;1422843476;asciilifeform;comparable to satellite launch today, possibly
1001977;1422843480;mircea_popescu;;;calc 200 * 1.67 * 40
1001978;1422843480;gribble;13360
1001979;1422843484;mircea_popescu;13k a ton.
1001980;1422843489;asciilifeform;ok sans a zero.
1001981;1422843505;asciilifeform;this is more like next-day air shipping from mordor to buenos aires
1001982;1422843520;mircea_popescu;and it's a great blessing, too, you know ? if that's what it costs you won't be sending much gawker across.
1001983;1422843613;mircea_popescu;these absurd constraints are a great driver of innoivation. for instance, the "lawless", "rugged" and obviously unwashed rapists of the wild west ?
1001984;1422843624;mircea_popescu;they nevertheless sent mail on special paper. thinner than the bible sheets.
1001985;1422843635;ben_vulpes;<mircea_popescu> "blood pressure boost" << can't tell whether this is good or bad for your health
1001986;1422843654;mircea_popescu;when there's money to pay for it, and necessarilty in the shape of "fallen from the sky", the marriage with absurd constraints is the most productive thing known to man.
1001987;1422843717;ben_vulpes;<asciilifeform> [] ben_vulpes, mircea_popescu: am i the only one who wonders why 1) checking hashes, inside a pgp-signed script, when patch sigs also are checked 2) patches & their hashes, sigs, listed explicitly, instead of iterating over directory << consider it an excess of paranoia
1001988;1422843754;mircea_popescu;then soon enough the HABIT of innovaton forms, and it's set. becomes culture, and win.
1001989;1422843775;ben_vulpes;<asciilifeform> [] (build script, that is) << every time i publish a revision it gets shorter and more legible, fuck off
1001990;1422843782;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes it's not too bad for my health. definitely worse for the long term prospects of the heathens
1001991;1422843838;ben_vulpes;'twon't even be around forever. it's part of bootstrapping a slimmed down codebase that doesn't need all the trimming etc
1001992;1422844102;mircea_popescu;http://log.b-a.link/?date=01-02-2015#1001684 << come to think if it, usg's Freisler's unceremonious dismissal of o'reilly media's version gavin (perhaps even at some point prepared for a gavin substitution, in case) is telling of a certain change of winds in that camp.
1001993;1422844102;assbot;Logged on 01-02-2015 21:41:09; BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: I was mostly interested in linking the zombie's name to the NeoBee thing yet again. There's little left in the Ulbricht case capable of being interesting until appeals are filed.
1001994;1422844128;mircea_popescu;i very much doubt they still believe "the problem" can be contained with muppets.
1001995;1422844145;asciilifeform;https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/commit/341735eb8f42e898cf9d4d130709471e5d01abe2 << ben_vulpes et al: this is what they ended up replacing the block loader with...
1001996;1422844148;assbot;Headers-first synchronization ·  341735e · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1wTLeYL )
1001997;1422844169;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform i don't trust it, if it wasn't obvious already.
1001998;1422844188;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: i doubt anyone here trusts it
1001999;1422844195;mircea_popescu;myeah.
1002000;1422844223;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: it very transparently follows the overall pattern (create, nurture problem, then propose 'solution' glued with glass that introduces subtle boojum)
1002001;1422844231;mircea_popescu;myeah.
1002002;1422844306;asciilifeform;i still don't grasp, for instance, how a node loading headers (during warmup) knows that it is being fed actual headers
1002003;1422844310;asciilifeform;and not diddled
1002004;1422844313;asciilifeform;if lacks the blocks
1002005;1422844327;mircea_popescu;"trust us" decentralized currency
1002006;1422844335;mircea_popescu;to replace "in god we trust" fiat currency
1002007;1422844341;mircea_popescu;FIAT MUST BE MAINTAINED!
1002008;1422844357;mircea_popescu;your ability to verify, not nearly as important.
1002009;1422844366;asciilifeform;i mean, i like 'muntzing' as much as anyone, but this here looks more like an actual moving part they snipped off
1002010;1422844398;asciilifeform;did the phoundation so much as try to justify this?
1002011;1422844421;asciilifeform;or was it more of a 'last version leaked, this one doesn't. shuddup & install.'
1002012;1422844513;asciilifeform;what else do gavin et al intend to silently lose, is the inevitable thought
1002013;1422844558;mircea_popescu;anyway, if anyone's curious as to how exactly stuff like reddit or tardstalk work, here's a blow by blow, by a guy in the know :
1002014;1422844559;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 56050 @ 0.00035927 = 20.1371 BTC [+]
1002015;1422844571;mircea_popescu;During the spring, Fenwick announced that they were going to pay summer associates only $2,100, which was below the $2,400 that most big firms in New York, LA and Chicago were paying their summers. Yet, right before we arrived in Palo Alto, Fenwick, along with every other Silicon Valley firm, announced that they were going to pay summers $2,400, commensurate with the big firms in other major cities.
1002016;1422844571;mircea_popescu;What does this have to do with anything? Well, I was almost single-handedly responsible for Fenwick, and basically every other Silicon Valley firm, raising their summer associate salary from $2,100 to 2,400. How is that possible, you ask? The beauty of the internet, and the influence of an amazing website called Infirmation.com.
1002017;1422844571;assbot;AMAZING COMPANY!
1002018;1422844571;mircea_popescu;Infirmation.com is a job-related website that has message boards on it, where anyone can anonymously post anything. The message boards are divided by region, one being for New York associates, one for Silicon Valley, one for Chicago, etc. These message boards, called �Greedy Associate� boards, had vaulted to fame in the preceding months as a means for associates at different firms to anonymously share information w
1002019;1422844575;mircea_popescu;ith each other about salary, benefits, work conditions, anything they choose. One of the sparking events was when Gunderson, a relatively small firm in Silicon Valley, raised their starting associate salaries from somewhere around the industry average of $100,000 to $125,000. One of the first places this information was posted and disseminated was the messages boards on Infirmation.com, and from that event, as well as
1002020;1422844580;mircea_popescu;a few others like it, junior associates at all the major firms started sharing info with each other about the relative benefits and detriments of their particular firms on these Greedy Associate boards.
1002021;1422844585;mircea_popescu;As a result of these developments, partners at all the majors firms monitored these message boards, looking for the latest gossip about their firms and their competing firms. They had to stay up to date, because a change in benefits in Firm A could mean a flood of ass
1002022;1422844589;mircea_popescu;a flood of associates or law students to that firm, and away from Firm B, before Firm B even knew what was going on.
1002023;1422844592;mircea_popescu;How does this relate to the story? The summer salaries had already been announced in New York at $2,400, and everyone was waiting for the Silicon Valley firms to announce their summer salaries [Fenwick had four major competitors in Silicon Valley at the time: Cooley, Wilson, and Brobeck (these are abbreviated names of law firms)]. Fenwick was the first to announce; they did so sometime around late April, and they annou
1002024;1422844597;mircea_popescu;nced at $2,100, which was below NY salaries.
1002025;1422844599;mircea_popescu;I was unhappy with this, so I immediately posted this info on the Infirmation.com Silicon Valley/SF Greedy Associate board, and then, using four or five different anonymous screen names, proceeded to have a thread discussion on how horrible this was, how Fenwick was insulting it�s summers, how no one was going to accept their offers because the firm was so cheap it wouldn�t fork over the extra $300 a week, etc, etc
1002026;1422844604;mircea_popescu;. I even used one of my aliases to play the other side. It was beautiful. Of the 20 messages on this topic on the first day, I probably posted 10 of them. I kept this up, at a slightly lower output, for about three days.
1002027;1422844608;mircea_popescu;About a week after Fenwick�s announcement, and the resulting Infirmation.com message board �explosion,� Wilson, a Fenwick competitor, announced they were paying summers $2,400. Each of the other Silicon Valley firms quickly fell in line after that, including Fenwick.
1002028;1422844640;mircea_popescu;the author is one tucker max, famous for nothing in particular (and whose life story is instructive, in case any chickies born yesterday actually believe amanda hess or randi zuckerberg are "feminist" models, and something good for her, and failed to understand that http://trilema.com/2015/the-worm/ is simply a fable about gawker.
1002029;1422844641;assbot;The worm pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.  ... ( http://bit.ly/1AgYTjK )
1002030;1422844655;asciilifeform;lol!
1002031;1422844666;asciilifeform;classic muppetry
1002032;1422844674;mircea_popescu;by now, there's an entire generation of essentially useless men hoping they will be able to make a living off this model.
1002033;1422844681;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 94097 @ 0.00037424 = 35.2149 BTC [+] {4} 
1002034;1422844683;mircea_popescu;tucker max at any rate quit law school for it, or to quote tlp
1002035;1422844742;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24903 @ 0.00037844 = 9.4243 BTC [+]
1002036;1422844747;asciilifeform;generation... ...hoping they will be able to make a living off this << straight to butugychag.
1002037;1422844883;danielpbarron;is that tucker max?
1002038;1422844888;mircea_popescu;well i can't seem to find it, but he has a bit about "you don't believe me ? then believe x, she was stupid enough to quit medical school to join x shartup and now is a relationships expert"
1002039;1422844894;mircea_popescu;danielpbarron yes.
1002040;1422844956;danielpbarron;i knew i read that before
1002041;1422844966;danielpbarron;and sorry, thought i was scrolled all the way down
1002042;1422845052;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform generation... ...hoping they will be able to make a living off this << straight to butugychag. http://trilema.com/2014/yo-trilema-fratires/#footnote_2_57239 < example.
1002043;1422845052;assbot;Yo, Trilema Fratires! pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.  ... ( http://bit.ly/1AgZVMC )
1002044;1422845077;mircea_popescu;"strategist". what is your strategy ? "i pretend like i matter on the internet" why ? "YOU DONT UNDERSTAND HOW THE WORLD WORKS".
1002045;1422845120;mircea_popescu;and you know "rudius media empire" was a thing, and some kids that meanwhile got jobs / wives / unsuspended sentences ACTUALLY BOUGHT INTO
1002046;1422845305;mircea_popescu;incidentally i suppose, the quote also throws a harsh light over the widespreadness of price fixing in silicon valley. seriously, fucking law interns ?
1002047;1422845341;mircea_popescu;instead of pretending like we're fixing the problem like preet, let's try and think about the causes. why do firms perceive the need to artificially cap salaries ? this seems only rational in an hyperinflationary environment.
1002048;1422845376;mircea_popescu;why do businesses in a country that's struggling with the spectre of deflation - businesses locate in the prime rib of that country, even - have problems typical of hyperinflating environments ?!
1002049;1422845385;mircea_popescu;was there a black death in the us nobody reported ?
1002050;1422846125;BingoBoingo;Half a yard from the end zone and Captain Nigger tosses an interception. Bullshit ending to the game.
1002051;1422846231;BingoBoingo;^ Black death.
1002052;1422846361;mircea_popescu;lol
1002053;1422846453;BingoBoingo;https://twitter.com/samir/status/562066596001505282
1002054;1422846454;assbot;“Hey mom. Yep. I’ll be performing at the Super Bowl." http://t.co/nHkW6kHUDL
1002055;1422846515;mircea_popescu;samir doesn't sound like a slut name and twitter doesn't sound like it is going to publish good boobs. so i'ma click on something else instead.
1002056;1422846517;BingoBoingo;http://sports.cbsimg.net/u/photos/football/nfl/img25016370.jpg
1002057;1422846519;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1Ah3wKO )
1002058;1422846532;BingoBoingo;^ That one has boobs somewhere
1002059;1422846615;BingoBoingo;The golden cat apparatus had legs, walked
1002060;1422846625;cazalla;try https://twitter.com/search?q=my%20boobs&src=typd&mode=photos instead
1002061;1422846628;assbot;my boobs - Twitter Photos Search ... ( http://bit.ly/1Ah3NNH )
1002062;1422846747;mircea_popescu;gee, look at all the fucking bras.
1002063;1422846758;mircea_popescu;i wonder if my%20bras is the magic word.
1002064;1422846835;cazalla;well i figured "my" would act as a qualifier for actual girls posting their own tits
1002065;1422847060;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 59000 @ 0.00036717 = 21.663 BTC [-]
1002066;1422847121;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12000 @ 0.00036717 = 4.406 BTC [-]
1002067;1422847169;BingoBoingo;https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B8zTAC_CMAArjMs.jpg
1002068;1422847170;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1Ah5mLD )
1002069;1422847213;BingoBoingo;https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B8zTMUHCUAEFUDy.jpg:large
1002070;1422847214;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1Ah5t9V )
1002071;1422847255;cazalla;lol ppl are still posting their credit cards on twitter https://twitter.com/Exodus_Res/status/548642193800704001
1002072;1422847257;assbot;look at my sisters new credit card love the blue http://t.co/TTIJlsOQaE
1002073;1422847304;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 65015 @ 0.00036717 = 23.8716 BTC [-]
1002074;1422847641;BingoBoingo;https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B8zt-c6CUAAVG3-.jpg << Far less stupid than the game's ending
1002075;1422847642;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1Ah6I90 )
1002076;1422847914;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 211803 @ 0.00035431 = 75.0439 BTC [-] {2} 
1002077;1422848221;BingoBoingo;At least the coach is owning the call that lost the game.
1002078;1422848319;BingoBoingo;http://i.kinja-img.com/gawker-media/image/upload/s--h3WL6cd9--/wi8src56el4lhgdd3jty.gif
1002079;1422848322;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1Ah8tDn )
1002080;1422848341;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 66100 @ 0.00034927 = 23.0867 BTC [-]
1002081;1422848548;asciilifeform;http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2015-February/000040.html
1002082;1422848549;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1Ah94VD )
1002083;1422848557;asciilifeform;^ can we have scoopbot plugged into turdatron ?
1002084;1422848689;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes, mod6, et al ^^^^ snippety snippety
1002085;1422848712;scoopbot;New post on Trilema by Mircea Popescu: http://trilema.com/2015/have-some-chocolate-cake/
1002086;1422848770;danielpbarron;i think this "bastard" thing is eating up all my bandwidth
1002087;1422848785;asciilifeform;danielpbarron: but does it actually sync ?
1002088;1422848797;danielpbarron;oh yeah
1002089;1422848809;asciilifeform;danielpbarron: the way it's set up is extremely wasteful, yes; fetches many blocks for which there can be no use at all
1002090;1422848812;danielpbarron;up to 136k
1002091;1422848815;asciilifeform;and get thrown out immediately
1002092;1422848824;asciilifeform;danielpbarron: how many deaths has it died ?
1002093;1422848834;danielpbarron;2
1002094;1422848862;asciilifeform;ideally you can determine a value for bastard pool constant that turns that into zero
1002095;1422848870;asciilifeform;while still syncing in a reasonable time
1002096;1422848891;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 77194 @ 0.00034305 = 26.4814 BTC [-]
1002097;1422849134;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 66669 @ 0.00034173 = 22.7828 BTC [-]
1002098;1422849514;punkman;https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B8zfqq0CIAA7o2Q.jpg
1002099;1422849515;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1AhbtPV )
1002100;1422849561;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 164050 @ 0.00034665 = 56.8679 BTC [+] {2} 
1002101;1422849651;mod6;asciilifeform: thanks for the submission for removal of dnsseed
1002102;1422849652;mircea_popescu;dude the smpoe war...
1002103;1422849662;mod6;!t m s.mpoe
1002104;1422849662;assbot;[MPEX:S.MPOE] 1D: 0.00034173 / 0.00035578 / 0.00037844 (4074930 shares, 1,449.79 BTC), 7D: 0.00030001 / 0.00039761 / 0.00053193 (20154401 shares, 8,013.64 BTC), 30D: 0.00030001 / 0.00047156 / 0.00068113 (47682710 shares, 22,485.64 BTC)
1002105;1422849668;punkman;such volumez
1002106;1422849671;mod6;ya
1002107;1422849678;punkman;"but nobody used that thing"
1002108;1422849683;punkman;*uses
1002109;1422849744;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 189000 @ 0.00035144 = 66.4222 BTC [+] {3} 
1002110;1422849783;mircea_popescu;nobody's using that thing to try and do something to mah powerbase ? or else paranoida.
1002111;1422849804;danielpbarron;http://www.op-return.com/ << a non-WoT deedbot?
1002112;1422849805;assbot;Submit a message to a Bitcoin address ... ( http://bit.ly/1AhceIR )
1002113;1422849807;mircea_popescu;it's kinda fun to watch, tbh
1002114;1422849833;punkman;danielpbarron: there's a bunch of them
1002115;1422849842;mircea_popescu;loads really.
1002116;1422849872;punkman;so what do we think about op_return?
1002117;1422849894;punkman;or rather, what does the foundation think
1002118;1422850084;punkman;https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/3737#issuecomment-36383977
1002119;1422850086;assbot;script: reduce OP_RETURN standard relay bytes to 40 by jgarzik · Pull Request #3737 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1AhcQ1b )
1002120;1422850719;asciilifeform;mod6: snippy snippy is very easy. and satisfying. i encourage others to try.
1002121;1422850903;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 117965 @ 0.000356 = 41.9955 BTC [+]
1002122;1422851452;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10576 @ 0.000356 = 3.7651 BTC [+]
1002123;1422852120;mircea_popescu;holy shit, it turns out Marvel's The Avengers is the highest grossing and highest opening movie of all time.
1002124;1422852174;mircea_popescu;http://www.boxofficemojo.com/alltime/weekends/pastrecords.htm << if this doesn't tell the story of inflation, i have no idea what does.
1002125;1422852175;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1CoxTjc )
1002126;1422852237;mircea_popescu;not to mention that not a fucking thing in there is even watchable.
1002127;1422852258;asciilifeform;the story of inflation << one of the streets i frequently drive through had a housing development (row homes) under construction for the past ~3 yrs. there was a billboard, advertising 'From the low 300s!' (10**3) recently the '3' was flipped to a '6'.
1002128;1422852307;asciilifeform;flipped, like the prices at filling stations.
1002129;1422852337;mircea_popescu;lol
1002130;1422852346;mircea_popescu;such weimar.
1002131;1422852357;asciilifeform;mega-weimar.
1002132;1422852390;mircea_popescu;but hey, led displays to be able to adjust price in real time are just technological improvbement.
1002133;1422852432;punkman;has that been in some movie?
1002134;1422852447;BingoBoingo;<mircea_popescu> holy shit, it turns out Marvel's The Avengers is the highest grossing and highest opening movie of all time. << The power of brand and using 5 previous feature length films as trailers.
1002135;1422852474;mircea_popescu;i had nfi marvel even had a brand.
1002136;1422852487;mircea_popescu;what brand is it, tchotches r us ?
1002137;1422852539;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: Well, they got the super heros which are followed by the fanboys. From there they release a bunch of movies the fanboys use to get other idiots comfortably with Marvel. Then ??? Profit.
1002138;1422852549;BingoBoingo;Like "Kraft"
1002139;1422852550;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 117454 @ 0.00036185 = 42.5007 BTC [+]
1002140;1422852573;BingoBoingo;Classic American marketing cascade
1002141;1422852588;mats;disney is now fabulously rich because of marvel
1002142;1422852606;mircea_popescu;i guess there's lots of things i don't really understand.
1002143;1422852611;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27077 @ 0.0003614 = 9.7856 BTC [-]
1002144;1422852613;BingoBoingo;ESPN and Marvel are basically what funds Disney nao.
1002145;1422852620;mats;they own a lot of hollywood now
1002146;1422852634;punkman;they even got Star Wars now
1002147;1422852670;asciilifeform;237474.
1002148;1422852686;BingoBoingo;It's pretty much been of couple of decades of marching in the opposite direction of AOL Time Warner
1002149;1422852701;mircea_popescu;ok, http://www.google.com/finance/getchart?q=DIS&x=NYSE&p=5Y&i=604800&ei=PgLPVKGGMoi48gaMwYFI << if THAT doesn't look like inflation i dunno what does.
1002150;1422852702;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1ztIIwC )
1002151;1422852724;mircea_popescu;i mean look at that, it's not even funny, straight line with an oscillator thrown in wtf is this.
1002152;1422852735;BingoBoingo;Oh it's totally inflation.
1002153;1422852832;asciilifeform;http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2015-February/000041.html
1002154;1422852832;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1ztIPs6 )
1002155;1422852869;asciilifeform;^ mod6's mega-summary
1002156;1422852892;mircea_popescu;i like mod6's summaries.
1002157;1422852899;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo can qntra do a press package ?
1002158;1422852909;BingoBoingo;K
1002159;1422853392;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: unrelated - recent re-read, recommended to you specifically - 'the design of the unix operating system', m. j. bach.
1002160;1422853417;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: Will put in on the list.
1002161;1422853464;*;BingoBoingo still reeling over last week's discovery that of all distros Linux Mint appears as though it will be a systemd holdout.
1002162;1422853478;asciilifeform;best holdout/distro is no distro
1002163;1422853488;asciilifeform;home cooking.
1002164;1422853536;asciilifeform;'gentoo' is sufficiently malleable, presently, to fill the role.
1002165;1422853551;BingoBoingo;Right, Linux Mint still comes with so many bolt ons and opaque Ubuntu heart.
1002166;1422853556;asciilifeform;creeping poetteringisms in all known distro, however.
1002167;1422853563;asciilifeform;e.g., 'dbus'.
1002168;1422854041;punkman;https://twitter.com/La_Polisse/status/561813987655168000/photo/1
1002169;1422854042;assbot;Comment la neige a permis l'arrestation  d'un cultivateur de weed... (De /Torped00) http://t.co/zGp3XbDSEf
1002170;1422854056;danielpbarron;http://danielpbarron.com/advanced_os.log.txt
1002171;1422854057;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1ztKf5T )
1002172;1422854112;asciilifeform;danielpbarron: wallowing with the eagles, soaring with the pigs, eh
1002173;1422854274;cazalla;punkman, took me a moment
1002174;1422854288;danielpbarron;it's a Bible channel / not usually that kind of conversation in there
1002175;1422854366;BingoBoingo;Wallowing with the Eagles is the best wallowing.
1002176;1422854624;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 97 @ 0.06998999 = 6.789 BTC [+]
1002177;1422854663;mircea_popescu;so apparently there exists a real estate firm in ba called "asses propriedades"
1002178;1422854687;mircea_popescu;"hello, yeah, i'd like to rent an ass. can i live in it ?"
1002179;1422855074;BingoBoingo;Have any pogo people run the ArmV build with a preloaded blockchain (i.e. minimal initial sync before current)?
1002180;1422855201;thestringpuller;"yo homie we major"
1002181;1422855334;thestringpuller;BingoBoingo: what'd you think of the game?
1002182;1422855344;thestringpuller;Can't believe all action in 4th quarter.
1002183;1422855372;thestringpuller;also when did Kurt Warner become old?
1002184;1422855373;BingoBoingo;thestringpuller: Bullshit ending. Also I really want a 30 foot golden mechanical tiger to ride for when the times come.
1002185;1422855387;BingoBoingo;thestringpuller: Kurt Warner's always been old.
1002186;1422855407;BingoBoingo;Even when he was on the Rams he was old having bagged groceries and played NFL Europe.
1002187;1422855487;*;BingoBoingo very disappoint the game didn't end with Whitey getting Lynched
1002188;1422855714;thestringpuller;LOL
1002189;1422855724;BingoBoingo;https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=8982452 so little conversation on the HN
1002190;1422855725;assbot;Hacking on the Satoshi Codebase | Hacker News ... ( http://bit.ly/1ztMAxF )
1002191;1422855734;thestringpuller;Kurt Warner went hard in 2000
1002192;1422855754;thestringpuller;Rams vs Titans was a great game.
1002193;1422855765;thestringpuller;iirc it almost went into OT
1002194;1422855771;BingoBoingo;Indeed. Would have been nice to see Seattle win on the ground and close the book on the Air Assault era that ushered in
1002195;1422855776;BingoBoingo;It did almost do that
1002196;1422856210;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 175750 @ 0.00036135 = 63.5073 BTC [-] {2} 
1002197;1422856881;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 115224 @ 0.0003655 = 42.1144 BTC [+] {2} 
1002198;1422857003;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 80300 @ 0.00036806 = 29.5552 BTC [+] {2} 
1002199;1422857006;scoopbot;New post on Qntra.net by Bingo Boingo: http://qntra.net/2015/02/foundation-releases-report-and-bitcoin-0-5-3-1/
1002200;1422857054;asciilifeform;'In the interest of the reference implementation being a robust solution that requires minimal trust of its peers the header's only approach favored by the Vessenes' foundation's forks' developers.' <<< wat?
1002201;1422857060;*;asciilifeform failed to parse this sentence
1002202;1422857128;BingoBoingo;how about: In the interest of the reference implementation being a robust solution that requires minimal trust of its peers, the header's only approach favored by the Vessenes' foundation's forks' developers is being passed over in favor of actual solutions.
1002203;1422857188;cazalla;asciilifeform, ya need a few beers, reads ok here, had a few beers though
1002204;1422857224;BingoBoingo;cazalla: I tried to fix the parsing. Sentence needed a subject among other things.
1002205;1422857234;adlai;header's?
1002206;1422857256;adlai;like, the header only had one approach, so this approach was the header's only approach?
1002207;1422857278;mircea_popescu;stickler's
1002208;1422857286;adlai;ye's
1002209;1422857291;BingoBoingo;Sentence refactored again
1002210;1422857307;adlai;it's fucking underlined in blue, how does it not jump out to you
1002211;1422857369;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 81372 @ 0.00036973 = 30.0857 BTC [+]
1002212;1422857372;BingoBoingo;I am blind to the things I write.
1002213;1422857375;mircea_popescu;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B_scFjd2pSI
1002214;1422857376;assbot;Abracadabra - Steve Millers Band (Lyrics) - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1ztOWfR )
1002215;1422857384;adlai;actually if we go full anal, strunk & white specifically mentions that the plural of a singular ending in s includes an additional apostrophe+s, so it'd be « Vessenes's »
1002216;1422857406;*;asciilifeform was taught this formula
1002217;1422857416;BingoBoingo;Vessenes is not a singular
1002218;1422857456;BingoBoingo;Y. Pestis does not occur in the singular
1002219;1422857460;mircea_popescu;lmao
1002220;1422857477;mircea_popescu;vesseneii & winklevii
1002221;1422857487;mircea_popescu;actually i suppose it could be winkleix by now
1002222;1422857497;mircea_popescu;they're way past the 8th "launch"of their whatever it is.
1002223;1422857510;BingoBoingo;Winkelgox
1002224;1422857541;mircea_popescu;wynona ryder's somehow going to end up mixed in all this isn't she.
1002225;1422857552;BingoBoingo;Is she still a thing?
1002226;1422857561;mircea_popescu;don't thingify women!
1002227;1422857573;BingoBoingo;She thingified shoplifting
1002228;1422857594;mircea_popescu;she just liberated some items from an oppressive representative hierarchical inventory system.
1002229;1422857616;mircea_popescu;that's not even objective!
1002230;1422857619;BingoBoingo;Right, and it lead to Obama
1002231;1422857641;mircea_popescu;hm. no lead obama, now that'd probably help the environment.
1002232;1422857679;BingoBoingo;And you know where they mine lead? Ozarkistan.
1002233;1422857776;mircea_popescu;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ge9Ou3-YyqU << this is perhaps the oddest set for a pop song.
1002234;1422857777;assbot;Brian Hyland "Itsy Bitsy Teenie Weenie Yellow Polka Dot Bikini" - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1ztPuTa )
1002235;1422857796;mircea_popescu;i suppose they did more solid ice in the 60s than previously thought.
1002236;1422857842;BingoBoingo;Totally. And then Nixon killed the Chemistry hobby.
1002237;1422857972;scoopbot;New post on Trilema by Mircea Popescu: http://trilema.com/2015/more-beat-around-whore-street/
1002238;1422858067;mircea_popescu;http://www.dangerandplay.com/2014/03/17/mating-grounds-geoffrey-miller-tucker-max-hilarity-ensues/ << this shit's pretty lulzy, as far as academic drama goes.
1002239;1422858069;assbot;Mating Grounds: Geoffrey Miller and Tucker Max Copy Danger & Play and Hilarity Ensues - Danger & Play ... ( http://bit.ly/1ztPUbY )
1002240;1422858296;scoopbot;New post on The Whet by han@thewhet: http://thewhet.net/2015/line-betting-on-bitbet-january-2015/
1002241;1422858467;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 1927 @ 0.00095462 = 1.8396 BTC [-] {7} 
1002242;1422858507;BingoBoingo;!up BigBitz
1002243;1422858904;mircea_popescu;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WVcYP3OhlUU << speaking of the http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=29-01-2015#996778 thread
1002244;1422858905;assbot;Tucker Max Is Lying - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1ztR5s7 )
1002245;1422858905;assbot;Logged on 29-01-2015 04:14:19; asciilifeform: they 'which room'
1002246;1422858928;mircea_popescu;this guy is supposedly a big deal internet marketing thing. why the fuck does he live in half a kitchinette separated by a pressedboard pane from the other half ?
1002247;1422858932;mircea_popescu;or wtf is going on in there ?
1002248;1422859011;asciilifeform;that's 'roosh'
1002249;1422859019;mircea_popescu;okay.
1002250;1422859019;asciilifeform;(a 'moldbugsphere' blogger, iirc)
1002251;1422859039;asciilifeform;not a mega-business-king
1002252;1422859055;mircea_popescu;well afaik he identifies as a capt'n of the whole "how to get laid" thing.
1002253;1422859073;*;asciilifeform confesses that he was never a regular reader of herr roosh
1002254;1422859080;mircea_popescu;but yes, the general idea is that these are people who trasnform the culture and are well read and etc.
1002255;1422859093;mircea_popescu;i suppose i misunderstand power on top of everything else. and ows did things.
1002256;1422859109;asciilifeform;although his colleague, 'heartiste', once referred to yours truly as 'the moldbug of computer science'
1002257;1422859118;asciilifeform;wasn't sure if this was a plus or minus
1002258;1422859171;mircea_popescu;Daryush Valizadeh,[1] (born June 14, 1979)[2] also known as Roosh V and Roosh Vorek, is an American[3] writer, pick-up artist[4][5] and self-styled "love tourist"[6] of Iranian and Armenian descent,[7] known for his writings on seduction and antifeminism.
1002259;1422859181;mircea_popescu;that's a pretty epic name, valizadeh.
1002260;1422859220;mircea_popescu;"dditionally, Roosh has self-published 14 books, most of which offer advice to men on how to sleep with women in specific countries."
1002261;1422859229;mircea_popescu;come on. 14 books ?!
1002262;1422859256;mircea_popescu;o hey, made the splc kill list.
1002263;1422859285;asciilifeform;not so hard.
1002264;1422859303;asciilifeform;they had a period of adding 'moldy' folks
1002265;1422859331;hanbot;<assbot> Tucker Max Is Lying << dude clinton should've been made emperor stead of impeached. clearly this is the sort of shit they're interested in.
1002266;1422859331;cazalla;self-published as in hey, i uploaded my shit to amazon, i'm an author now
1002267;1422859333;asciilifeform;i even remember a surreal thread, somewhere obscure, where people were pissed at not having been selected yet
1002268;1422859335;mircea_popescu;lmao he never wrote about... hungary ? romania ? czech republic ? wtf is wrong with this guy lmao
1002269;1422859345;mircea_popescu;yeah, go have random sex in iceland.
1002270;1422859375;mircea_popescu;hanbot well somehow it turns out you can't be an emperor on the support of 20something us boys.
1002271;1422859412;mircea_popescu;"Bang Ukraine: How to Have Sex With Ukrainian Girls In Ukraine (2012)"
1002272;1422859427;mircea_popescu;uh... i dunno, go to any of the campuses, pick a girl and take her out to lunch ?
1002273;1422859433;hanbot;oh, right.
1002274;1422859439;mircea_popescu;worked in 1995. worked in 1997. worked in... 2002 iirc.
1002275;1422859464;mircea_popescu;"Roosh's Argentina Compendium: Pickup Tips, City Guides, And Stories (2011) "
1002276;1422859480;*;asciilifeform still has trouble picturing anyone for whom the book - specifically - makes the difference
1002277;1422859482;mircea_popescu;holy shit, there's three different bars within ten blocks of where you live, you can just go there and LOOK at a girl.
1002278;1422859491;mircea_popescu;she'll come right over, and if you speak spanish it's somethinjg like 500 pesos
1002279;1422859493;mircea_popescu;about 30 bux.
1002280;1422859501;mircea_popescu;otherwise whatever, pay her a hundred.
1002281;1422859515;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: this is not the objective for the 'pickup' folks
1002282;1422859519;mircea_popescu;s/ten blocks of where you live/ten blocks of where I live/
1002283;1422859520;mircea_popescu;but anyway
1002284;1422859530;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform but the book costs as much ?
1002285;1422859536;mircea_popescu;i guess the time to read it dun count.
1002286;1422859553;mircea_popescu;sad fact of the matter is, any book costs me about a dollar a page or thereabouts.
1002287;1422859567;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=19-01-2014#449479
1002288;1422859567;assbot;Logged on 19-01-2014 19:38:32; asciilifeform: as a boy, i read about an 18th c. book, 'Triple Power over the Forces of Hell'
1002289;1422859577;cazalla;haha this guy played a bit too much road rash, it's almost a copy/pasta of coming off your bike in that game http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=d92_1422724643 around 0:40
1002290;1422859578;assbot;LiveLeak.com - Biker Goes Airborne ... ( http://bit.ly/1ztS0Zx )
1002291;1422859584;mircea_popescu;http://www.publimetro.co/lo-ultimo/estadounidense-vende-en-amazon-manual-para-acostarse-con-colombianas-sin-tener-que-pagar/lmklfg!T7S2EIsYkHwY/ << apparently columbian press was pissy.
1002292;1422859664;mircea_popescu;"Tucker Max was a hero of mine. I discovered his writing at the age of eighteen, and idolized his literary persona for the next five years. His descent into mediocrity has been painful for me to watch.
1002293;1422859664;mircea_popescu;Most would say that Tucker Max was nothing more than a brief flash-in-the-pan, a pony whose only trick was vulgar frat boy humour. But the reality is that Tucker Max�s stories were more than just entertainment: They articulated a new male identity that was unapologetically masculine and intellectual."
1002294;1422859680;mircea_popescu;this is what you get from "no child left behind"
1002295;1422859682;mircea_popescu;fucking bush.
1002296;1422859782;asciilifeform;in the philosophy of the 'pickup' folks, you don't grade as 'l33t' if you pay the whore
1002297;1422859795;asciilifeform;have to score 'on your merits'
1002298;1422859805;mircea_popescu;so what, if you have money it's not your money ?
1002299;1422859828;BingoBoingo;!b 3
1002300;1422859829;assbot;Last 3 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/3PDX1DS.txt )
1002301;1422859867;mircea_popescu;why the fuck WOULDNT you pay the woman. this is beyond me. i am not discussing a whore here. forget that part. i go out, and notice a girl sitting down. i chat her up, she comes with me and i fuck her. turns out she's 17, she's a virgin, and she's never even THOUGHT of doing anything like this, in her life.
1002302;1422859869;asciilifeform;afaik they don't have a position on money per se, except that it can be used to travel to faraway lands where the great satan has not perverted womankind
1002303;1422859874;mircea_popescu;but kids experiment and she's a kid and she's experimented.
1002304;1422859879;mircea_popescu;and now the idea is, i can't buy her a car.
1002305;1422859881;mircea_popescu;why the fuck not ?
1002306;1422859894;mircea_popescu;has she not earned it ?
1002307;1422859894;asciilifeform;why not
1002308;1422859904;mircea_popescu;brave kid, why shoudn't she have good stuff ?
1002309;1422859917;asciilifeform;afaik the pickup folks have no position on which, if any, car, boeing, planet, one should buy -after-
1002310;1422859923;mircea_popescu;if i don't buy her a car and some fat and bald goofball buys his "daughter" whom his wife had with the plumber the car
1002311;1422859929;mircea_popescu;and he's not even fucking her!
1002312;1422859934;mircea_popescu;what sort of society are we building here!
1002313;1422859957;asciilifeform;the car, as i understand, has to come -after-, or you fished with dynamite - and any idiot with a stick of dynamite can then be a 'great fisherman'
1002314;1422859969;asciilifeform;and such feats of fish-catching are not of interest to the serious scholars.
1002315;1422859971;asciilifeform;sumthinglikethat
1002316;1422859979;mircea_popescu;so working out is okay ?
1002317;1422859982;mircea_popescu;can you wash ?
1002318;1422859991;mircea_popescu;anyone aged 20 and clean can get laid, is that fair ?
1002319;1422859992;asciilifeform;aha. the books actually take the trouble to mention both
1002320;1422860000;mircea_popescu;why those and not this ?
1002321;1422860008;mircea_popescu;is being tall accepted ? or also fishing with dynamite ?
1002322;1422860008;asciilifeform;except for the obvious implication that - why is the reader reading?
1002323;1422860019;asciilifeform;in the words of tlp, 'if you're reading it, it's for you'
1002324;1422860036;mircea_popescu;very feminist/socialist this you know ? "more brownie points for being a tranny than for bein a white male". "why ?" "uhmmm... because we're stupid" "ah ok"
1002325;1422860058;*;asciilifeform did not invent this particular flavour of crackpottery, but has seen a good sampling thereof
1002326;1422860075;mircea_popescu;so money, which someone CAN get , is right off. but being tall, which someone CAN NOT get, and is certainly more on the button than money when hitting on a woman, is ok.
1002327;1422860089;*;asciilifeform regards 'pickup' literature as a very low kind of sc4mz0ry, like shady cancer cures pitched to the desperately ill
1002328;1422860109;mircea_popescu;plenty of stuff is quite reasonable - wash, stay in shape etc.
1002329;1422860116;asciilifeform;don't need book, for this
1002330;1422860120;mircea_popescu;but it's quite clearly something done by the poor for the poor, this.
1002331;1422860129;mircea_popescu;and im not altogether convinced the poor should get laid all that much.
1002332;1422860140;asciilifeform;book is supposed to help you 'cheat' by summoning devils ^H^H^H^H^H^H psy-programming
1002333;1422860155;mircea_popescu;oh don't tell me it's resurecting that neurocrap
1002334;1422860162;asciilifeform;it started, iirc, there.
1002335;1422860167;mircea_popescu;wtf was it called, narrowly missed becoming a grant bezzle
1002336;1422860171;mircea_popescu;ba
1002337;1422860172;mircea_popescu;h
1002338;1422860178;asciilifeform;neuro-linguistic-programming
1002339;1422860181;punkman;david deangelo
1002340;1422860183;asciilifeform;i think it was
1002341;1422860191;punkman;that's it
1002342;1422860203;asciilifeform;a sort of rebranded hypnosis/mesmerism
1002343;1422860212;mircea_popescu;exact fucking equivalent of the "expert systems" failed msword&excel-based approach to hard ai
1002344;1422860244;asciilifeform;one of the facts known to all dedicated students of 'psychoceramics' (study of crackpots! what else, lol) is that genuinely new idiocies are invented quite infrequently
1002345;1422860249;mircea_popescu;hm, i guess the actual practice evolved under selective pressure more towards the cold calling / stage magician thing
1002346;1422860251;asciilifeform;most are rebrandings of something earlier.
1002347;1422860255;mircea_popescu;but i mean intelelctualy, the theory behind it
1002348;1422860298;asciilifeform; but being tall, which someone CAN NOT get, <<<< ahahha. soviet science winz again. had a process for -actually- growing taller.
1002349;1422860307;asciilifeform;they break yer legs and stretch in a specially made frame.
1002350;1422860311;asciilifeform;1+ yr of wheelchair.
1002351;1422860328;asciilifeform;i'm told that american kidz with more money than sense, still travel to russia to get this.
1002352;1422860335;mircea_popescu;actually i'm being whispered in ear that a) it's called manosphere now, and b) the central point is that women lie a lot and guys hafta be confident.
1002353;1422860341;mircea_popescu;i guess also not need a book for.
1002354;1422860359;asciilifeform;more of less 1 sentence summary of the sane parts ^
1002355;1422860376;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform my intel is great at summaries. it... has to be.
1002356;1422860473;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: understand, -everybody- wants a wunderwaffen.
1002357;1422860474;asciilifeform;e.g.,
1002358;1422860475;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=22-04-2014#634660
1002359;1422860475;assbot;Logged on 22-04-2014 12:51:23; asciilifeform: phun phact: as a student, i once seriously planned to build a pocket gas chromatographer, to pick up gurlz. how!? to do this - exercise for alert reader.
1002360;1422860568;mircea_popescu;uh.
1002361;1422860579;mircea_popescu;i missed that line. what, see if they're ovulating ? drunk ?
1002362;1422860585;asciilifeform;mhc.
1002363;1422860591;asciilifeform;(see rest of that thread)
1002364;1422860610;asciilifeform;no, did not actually do this!
1002365;1422860626;mircea_popescu;dude really, it's very easy to pick up girls. tell her what to do. if she does it, fine. if she doesn't, there's more.
1002366;1422860663;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 43747 @ 0.00036498 = 15.9668 BTC [-] {2} 
1002367;1422860668;asciilifeform;dude really, it is very easy to fly. just bend your arms into an effective lift surface, right angle of attack, and fart really hard.
1002368;1422860689;mircea_popescu;ahaha
1002369;1422860692;mircea_popescu;ok ok
1002370;1422860693;asciilifeform;use suit jacket as ailerons.
1002371;1422860731;mircea_popescu;i am not going to end up writing about this. apparently it's well covered.
1002372;1422860731;BingoBoingo;!b 5
1002373;1422860733;assbot;Last 5 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/2AHKGZD.txt )
1002374;1422860745;mircea_popescu;gotcha bb!
1002375;1422860767;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: I think the spoiler improves it.
1002376;1422860789;asciilifeform;incidentally, anyone ever wonder what kind of brain damage is necessary to think that someone will sell you a book on how to win the ultimate zero-sum game?
1002377;1422860809;asciilifeform;(well, rather, sell you a book that's worth something)
1002378;1422860825;mircea_popescu;which is the zero sum game ?
1002379;1422860832;asciilifeform;'pikup'
1002380;1422860842;mircea_popescu;you're not about to tell me that mammal reproduction is a zero sum game
1002381;1422860844;mircea_popescu;holy hell...
1002382;1422860850;mircea_popescu;listen! HEDGEHOGS DO IT.
1002383;1422860850;*;BingoBoingo kind of wants fMRI for investigating this brain damage at some point. Maybe it can live in the belly of 30 foot golden mechanical tiger.
1002384;1422860850;asciilifeform;as envisioned by the practicants!
1002385;1422860862;punkman;is there a "paleo pickup" branch? "work out a lot so you can actually pick them up and walk off with them"
1002386;1422860865;asciilifeform;they posit that the marks should become long-term orbiters of the operator, somehow
1002387;1422860872;mircea_popescu;they do ?
1002388;1422860882;asciilifeform;in at least one text
1002389;1422860884;mircea_popescu;i thought the idea was to always get rid of them, which is why they keep getting shitty sex
1002390;1422860902;asciilifeform;no, in some schools of thought, one is supposed to emplace them in orbits
1002391;1422860910;mircea_popescu;(one has to have shitty sex to imagine literotica is a good description of sexuality and the really really important part about  a great piece of ass is her bra size)
1002392;1422860923;punkman;asciilifeform: no, in some schools of thought, one is supposed to emplace them in orbits << the not-harem
1002393;1422860927;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform so like... keep slavegirls ?
1002394;1422860936;mircea_popescu;punkman tell ?
1002395;1422860937;BingoBoingo;http://www.totalcriminaldefense.com/news/articles/unusual/taser-forced-versed-injections/
1002396;1422860938;assbot;Are Forced Injections the New Taser? «  Total Criminal Defense ... ( http://bit.ly/1ztTYZS )
1002397;1422860946;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: the old taser.
1002398;1422860950;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: sop in ussr
1002399;1422861001;mircea_popescu;wow.
1002400;1422861007;mircea_popescu;dude the land of the free....
1002401;1422861013;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: Usually here they wait until the hospital. Traditional mixture here is B-52 comprised of Benadryl, 5 mg haloperidol, 2 mg ativan.
1002402;1422861016;asciilifeform;психушка!
1002403;1422861017;punkman;mircea_popescu: they had some acronym for it. long term multiple relationship something
1002404;1422861032;punkman;so multiple girlfriends, but you can't have them at the same time
1002405;1422861041;mircea_popescu;punkman why not ?!
1002406;1422861042;punkman;because it's "hard"
1002407;1422861047;mircea_popescu;no its not lmao.
1002408;1422861052;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: needs floor space.
1002409;1422861057;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: like machining.
1002410;1422861063;mircea_popescu;a) chicks love each other, unless brainwashed otherwise and b) where the fuck is that article brb
1002411;1422861070;punkman;http://www.theattractionforums.com/general-discussion/33739-lifestyle-having-multiple-girlfriends.html
1002412;1422861073;assbot; The Lifestyle of Having Multiple Girlfriends ... ( http://bit.ly/1ztU9UV )
1002413;1422861100;BingoBoingo;<asciilifeform> mircea_popescu: like machining. << mill cut Bastard file takes minimal space
1002414;1422861104;mircea_popescu;http://trilema.com/2010/intre-doo-nu-te-ploo/ bah it's in romanian.
1002415;1422861105;assbot;Intre doo nu te ploo pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.  ... ( http://bit.ly/1ztUgzR )
1002416;1422861118;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: that'd be the machinist's equivalent of a 'fleshlight'
1002417;1422861148;BingoBoingo;"Jungle Conditions"
1002418;1422861151;mircea_popescu;anyway, the quote i wanted "A treia observatie este ca-i falsa teoria conform careia a te iubi cu doua fete e dificil din motive de anduranta fizica, adica tu abia rezisti s-o multumesti pe una, ce te faci cind is doua ?!" and from there on, "Ei bine, cu doua fete prezente, dornice si rabolite ambele segmente se extind cacascavalu' pane, si nu se mai dau dom'le duse. Chiar glumeam ca-i distractia pulii situatia, vrea s
1002419;1422861151;mircea_popescu;a se bage putin si-aici, putin si-acolo, si-n gaurica asta ce-i, da-n gaurica aia cumu-i, si nu se mai lasa odata convinsa ca vrea sa incerce din toate ca plodu-n magazinu' de inghetati."
1002420;1422861173;mircea_popescu;i guess ima have to make this english.
1002421;1422861235;punkman;heh http://www.puaforums.com/picking-up-women/126-mltr-multiple-long-term-relationships-tips.html
1002422;1422861237;assbot;MLTR: Multiple Long Term Relationships - tips!!! | PUA FORUMS ... ( http://bit.ly/1ztUo2x )
1002423;1422861350;asciilifeform;238389.
1002424;1422861357;punkman;mircea_popescu: dude really, it's very easy to pick up girls. tell her what to do. if she does it, fine. if she doesn't, there's more.  << I should "self-publish" that on Amazon
1002425;1422861399;mircea_popescu;"The third point is that the theory by which loving two girls is difficult for cause of limited physical endurance, which is to say you can barely satisfy one, what the fuck to do with two is entirely false.
1002426;1422861400;mircea_popescu;I know not of others, but of myself I can testify of how testy things go. In any sexual act by which I mean copulation, there's present two segments. The first, from onset until I feel I can ejaculate if I wish to, an the second from there on, which is to say until whether I wish to or not, it's coming out. Depending on various factors, such as if I'm tired, or not well acquainted with the miss and I'm shocked by how g
1002427;1422861400;mircea_popescu;ood she looks etc, the second segment may compress even to a quarter inute and such, but otherwise it's generally equal to the first, half hour, an hour, whatever.
1002428;1422861402;mircea_popescu;Well, with two girls present, eager and widely spread both segments expand like grilled cheese, and won't get gone already! We were even laughing at the cock's amusement, it wants a little in there, and a little in here, but what's in this little hole, how's it like in that one, it just woudn't give up because it kept wanting to try stuff like the kid in the icecream store."
1002429;1422861407;asciilifeform;punkman: see guide to flying, same thread.
1002430;1422861407;mircea_popescu;there.
1002431;1422861513;BingoBoingo;;;bc,stats
1002432;1422861517;gribble;Current Blocks: 341592 | Current Difficulty: 4.127287389469702E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 342719 | Next Difficulty In: 1127 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 0 days, 12 hours, 19 minutes, and 12 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 45096160710.8 | Estimated Percent Change: 9.26344
1002433;1422861543;punkman;asciilifeform: what's missing from the recipe?
1002434;1422861555;punkman;looks very adequate to me
1002435;1422861558;asciilifeform;punkman: nothing whatsoever. the recipe is complete, total, perfect.
1002436;1422861563;asciilifeform;now get thee to the airstrip.
1002437;1422861564;*;mircea_popescu bows.
1002438;1422861574;mircea_popescu;don't add useless in there!
1002439;1422861854;BingoBoingo;detail http://pipeline.corante.com/archives/2004/03/03/things_i_wont_touch_1.php
1002440;1422861855;assbot;Things I Won't Touch (1). In the Pipeline:  ... ( http://bit.ly/1CoLQ0g )
1002441;1422861866;cazalla;mircea_popescu> and im not altogether convinced the poor should get laid all that much. <<< isn't that all the poor do? what else are ya gonna do but fuck
1002442;1422861878;mircea_popescu;cazalla that'd be the problem.
1002443;1422861900;mircea_popescu;not for the retarded reasons of "omg they're making babies" or stupid like that.
1002444;1422861932;cazalla;i got laid far more when i had next to nothing and lived at home with my parents
1002445;1422861950;mircea_popescu;the problem is that if you running around in a circle yields you 10 dopamine bitcoins per hour, and actually reading the logs yields you 1 dopamine bitcoin per hour increasing by 10% every subsequent hour,
1002446;1422861958;mircea_popescu;you're going to end up on the forum.
1002447;1422861989;mircea_popescu;poor people have this very massive twin headed disadvantage where a) they start from a very low basis, hence the 1 bitcoin and b) they start surrounded by morons, so nobody to tell them about the importance of %s
1002448;1422862051;mircea_popescu;fucking less when you're poor is a great plan. you'll get bored, which makes you question your environment, and perhaps even find better shit to do.
1002449;1422862078;asciilifeform;what's next, suggest doing less dope when poor? less drink? lol
1002450;1422862079;mircea_popescu;and generally, cutting down on everything you enjoy whenever you don't like where you are generally is a splendid plan.
1002451;1422862088;mircea_popescu;so fundamentally good even most animals know and apply it.
1002452;1422862093;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform quite.
1002453;1422862104;*;asciilifeform adjusts hair shirt
1002454;1422862116;mircea_popescu;simply that : whenever you don't like where you are, do less of everything you like and more of everything that's hard.
1002455;1422862132;asciilifeform;simulated annealing...
1002456;1422862150;BingoBoingo;perhaps even actual annealing
1002457;1422862225;BingoBoingo;http://www.theatlantic.com/health/archive/2015/01/the-selling-of-the-avocado/385047/?single_page=true << Decent summary of the Marvel phenomenon
1002458;1422862226;assbot;The Selling of the Avocado - The Atlantic ... ( http://bit.ly/1ztVJGz )
1002459;1422862351;cazalla;nz grows nice avocados
1002460;1422862406;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo california's really going to shit for produce isnt it
1002461;1422862611;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: Haven't been there myself to check but most produce here seems to come from Chile, Peru, and Mexico
1002462;1422862626;BingoBoingo;Or if in season it comes locally.
1002463;1422862634;mircea_popescu;california used to be a huge vegetable and so forth producer
1002464;1422862639;mircea_popescu;fed about half the us i nthe 70s
1002465;1422862657;BingoBoingo;Right, but then came the water troubles
1002466;1422862676;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 43100 @ 0.0003598 = 15.5074 BTC [-]
1002467;1422862704;BingoBoingo;Far more farms locally doing the produce thing though. Might be that California priced itself out.
1002468;1422862730;mircea_popescu;mebbe
1002469;1422862814;BingoBoingo;Could be the california wine thing's expanded into land that used to be produce? Could be any number of things, but... They just don't own the produce section like they used to.
1002470;1422862866;mircea_popescu;myeah
1002471;1422862879;mircea_popescu;here's a well known open secret : wine is not a market.
1002472;1422862888;mircea_popescu;europe is sitting on a lake of wine the size of wisconsin.
1002473;1422862923;punkman;http://www.winesandvines.com/template.cfm?section=widc&widcDomain=home&widcYYYYMM=201412
1002474;1422862924;assbot;Wines & Vines - Wine Industry Data Center ... ( http://bit.ly/1ztWHlZ )
1002475;1422862954;BingoBoingo;American wine mostly consists of Gallo et al and people who want to own wineries jsut because
1002476;1422862981;mircea_popescu;i guess it's the puritan thing to do. can't buy the girl her own car, but you can have her over at your exclusive winery resort / dude farm for aweek.
1002477;1422863006;punkman;and your shit wine costs you $2k a bottle
1002478;1422863010;mircea_popescu;so she can bring a bunch of dudes over and then you can text her abvout how she shouldn't instagram black cock stretching her out
1002479;1422863014;cazalla;BingoBoingo, a bunch of aussies found that one out the hard way.. ass droppped out of the aussie grape market
1002480;1422863023;mircea_popescu;and you can be called out by gawker and lose your team for half a billion
1002481;1422863026;mircea_popescu;which will buy more wineries.
1002482;1422863055;mircea_popescu;punkman meanwhile fine bordeaux can readily be had for 50 euros a bottle./
1002483;1422863055;BingoBoingo;Pretty much how it works.
1002484;1422863091;punkman;mircea_popescu: and local wine costs about 2-3eur a liter
1002485;1422863120;mircea_popescu;generally yeah. bout what it is in romania, italy and every other producing country.
1002486;1422863126;punkman;and since I'm a barbarian, I even buy it in a box
1002487;1422863137;mircea_popescu;and i think it's fine and i also drink it, so there's that.
1002488;1422863146;mircea_popescu;meh, i stick to bottles.
1002489;1422863148;BingoBoingo;Local (Illinois/Missouri) can run $7-15 a bottle. Not particularly good, but more flavor than Gallo
1002490;1422863165;mircea_popescu;but yes, recas (timisoara's pocket winery) has plenty of passable wines from 15 lei.
1002491;1422863238;punkman;about wine lake: " Plan Bordeaux: an initiative introduced in 2005 by ONIVINS, the French vintners  association, designed to reduce France's wine glut and improve sales.  Part of the plan is to uproot 17,000 hectares of the 124,000 hectares of  vineyards in Bordeaux."
1002492;1422863278;mircea_popescu;myeah.
1002493;1422863375;punkman;why don't they make some room for cows that taste good
1002494;1422863466;BingoBoingo;^Another California problem. Wasting land on Cows that would be fine in Wisconsin, and promoting "California Cheese"
1002495;1422863500;punkman;france exports a lot of cow. I've yet to buy one that's fit for something other than stew
1002496;1422863531;punkman;I did have some steak of Uruguay the other day, was excellent.
1002497;1422863722;cazalla;they grow nice cows here on king island, cost a bit extra but tasty so ya know, prob best steak in australia, least from what i've purchased
1002498;1422863743;cazalla;and being from tasmania, gotta be good
1002499;1422864029;punkman;so when someone wants to buy some live cows from latin america, do you have to airmail it?
1002500;1422864100;punkman;ah ok cow-boat is a thing http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Livestock_carrier
1002501;1422864101;assbot;Livestock carrier - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ... ( http://bit.ly/1ztYyr6 )
1002502;1422864191;mircea_popescu;you airmail it by asciilifeform method.
1002503;1422864196;mircea_popescu;they do produce methane.
1002504;1422864211;punkman;cow-rocket does sound faster
1002505;1422864305;mircea_popescu;plus with any luck it arrives cooked.
1002506;1422864384;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 105950 @ 0.00036099 = 38.2469 BTC [+]
1002507;1422864584;punkman;if you are the Sultan of Oman, you can apparently airmail even 200 cows at once. http://modernfarmer.com/2014/01/ship-cow/
1002508;1422864587;assbot;How to Ship a Cow - Modern Farmer ... ( http://bit.ly/1D4BKki )
1002509;1422865421;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 56500 @ 0.00036292 = 20.505 BTC [+] {2} 
1002510;1422865566;punkman;offline arm-box decided to die, hmm
1002511;1422865593;punkman;maybe time to get a pogo
1002512;1422866519;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15200 @ 0.00036732 = 5.5833 BTC [+]
1002513;1422867619;mircea_popescu;http://abovethelaw.com/2015/01/lawyer-arrested-for-doing-her-job/
1002514;1422867620;assbot;Lawyer Arrested For Doing Her Job | Above the Law ... ( http://bit.ly/1K2kMVG )
1002515;1422867623;mircea_popescu;this shit's pretty epic.
1002516;1422867636;mircea_popescu;" A veteran Assistant Public Defender in San Francisco, Jami Tillotson, was in a courtroom when she learned that another of her clients was being questioned in the hallway by a platoon of officers led by a plainclothes officer, Sergeant Inspector Brian Stansbury. When Tillotson intervened to point out that the police can�t go around questioning a guy that they know to be represented outside the presence of his lawyer
1002517;1422867636;mircea_popescu;, she was arrested.
1002518;1422867636;mircea_popescu;For �resisting arrest,� even though her response to being threatened with arrest was �please do,� followed by immediate submission. If �please do� has become the new standard for resisting, we can set the Doomsday clock to 1 minute to 1984."
1002519;1422867639;mircea_popescu;video included.
1002520;1422867771;mircea_popescu;"And, of course, witnesses report that Inspector Stansbury did go ahead and ask questions after the guy�s lawyer gets led away. There�s the subtlety of the job right there: do something that won�t raise the ire of a court to get a foot in the door, use that to intimidate, then get the target to start volunteering information in a vain effort to make the intimidation end. Standard procedure. Tillotson knew what wa
1002521;1422867771;mircea_popescu;s going down and got chained to a wall for an hour for her efforts.
1002522;1422867771;mircea_popescu;That�s right, she got chained to a wall."
1002523;1422867866;mircea_popescu;shooting policemen on sight is supposed to appear as a morally dubious choice ?
1002524;1422867881;mircea_popescu;i dunno, i really can't get all excited when various poor people do it. i can see exactly why.
1002525;1422868308;mircea_popescu;https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/20141118152523-205984021-my-start-up-made-200k-in-it-s-first-two-months-and-i-m-embarrassed << lawl.
1002526;1422868310;assbot;My Start-up Made 200k In Its First Two Months...And I'm Embarrassed | Tucker Max | LinkedIn ... ( http://bit.ly/1CRiIgT )
1002527;1422868331;mircea_popescu;Melissa "You're an entrepreneur, right?"
1002528;1422868331;mircea_popescu;Tucker "Yeah, of course."
1002529;1422868411;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 101644 @ 0.0003596 = 36.5512 BTC [-]
1002530;1422868471;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12466 @ 0.0003593 = 4.479 BTC [-]
1002531;1422869311;punkman;book in a box!!!1!11
1002532;1422869492;punkman;ah ok ghostwriting 2.0
1002533;1422869671;mircea_popescu;stupidest thing i ever heard. as if the hard part about getting someone to translate romanian trilema is "how to package the articles in querstion". that's the big deal, whether to save them as .jpg or .xls
1002534;1422869733;punkman;tucker's biography is gonna be way more funny than his stories
1002535;1422869743;mircea_popescu;depends if he writes it.
1002536;1422869752;mircea_popescu;i'd like to see silverman do it tbh.
1002537;1422869756;punkman;he will ghostwrite it with his own two hands
1002538;1422871766;davout;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-02-2015#1002495 <<< i can unfortunately relate ...
1002539;1422871766;assbot;Logged on 02-02-2015 07:51:40; punkman: france exports a lot of cow. I've yet to buy one that's fit for something other than stew
1002540;1422871826;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 84950 @ 0.00036808 = 31.2684 BTC [+] {3} 
1002541;1422872009;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10792 @ 0.00036973 = 3.9901 BTC [+]
1002542;1422872070;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25110 @ 0.00037002 = 9.2912 BTC [+]
1002543;1422872314;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 226484 @ 0.00035897 = 81.301 BTC [-] {2} 
1002544;1422872863;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21316 @ 0.00035676 = 7.6047 BTC [-]
1002545;1422873412;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22334 @ 0.00035885 = 8.0146 BTC [+]
1002546;1422875486;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 141239 @ 0.00034992 = 49.4224 BTC [-] {2} 
1002547;1422876645;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 107450 @ 0.00035175 = 37.7955 BTC [+] {3} 
1002548;1422878841;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 72650 @ 0.00034558 = 25.1064 BTC [-]
1002549;1422879817;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 155500 @ 0.00037072 = 57.647 BTC [+] {2} 
1002550;1422881098;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 59784 @ 0.00035527 = 21.2395 BTC [-] {2} 
1002551;1422881159;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 41672 @ 0.00034366 = 14.321 BTC [-]
1002552;1422881259;mats;http://www.usw.org/news/media-center/releases/2015/national-oil-bargaining-talks-break-down-usw-calls-for-work-stoppage-at-nine-oil-refineries-plants
1002553;1422881260;assbot;    National Oil Bargaining Talks Break Down: USW Calls for Work Stoppage at Nine Oil Refineries, Plants | United Steelworkers   ... ( http://bit.ly/1yu8ezf )
1002554;1422881300;mats;this is gonna be good
1002555;1422882135;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 155723 @ 0.00037547 = 58.4693 BTC [+] {2} 
1002556;1422882197;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 51503 @ 0.00037883 = 19.5109 BTC [+] {2} 
1002557;1422882745;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 140900 @ 0.00038016 = 53.5645 BTC [+]
1002558;1422883294;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22184 @ 0.00038016 = 8.4335 BTC [+]
1002559;1422884758;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10906 @ 0.00038015 = 4.1459 BTC [-] {2} 
1002560;1422886039;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 44300 @ 0.0003806 = 16.8606 BTC [+] {3} 
1002561;1422886150;jurov;thestringpuller: lol ryanxcharles, bitcoin should be written in node.js ?? you aware of this? http://www.reddit.com/r/Buttcoin/comments/2u7ddq/the_real_reason_ryan_charles_was_fired_from/
1002562;1422886154;assbot;The real reason Ryan Charles was fired from reddit: he spent the entire duration of his employment working on a port of bitcoin core to Javascript. : Buttcoin ... ( http://bit.ly/1z6Hzri )
1002563;1422886527;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 60047 @ 0.00038134 = 22.8983 BTC [+]
1002564;1422886649;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 68000 @ 0.00037104 = 25.2307 BTC [-] {2} 
1002565;1422888269;mats;the_scourge: http://wiki.bitcoin-assets.com/wot_and_reputation
1002566;1422888270;assbot;wot_and_reputation [bitcoin assets wiki] ... ( http://bit.ly/16lkStn )
1002567;1422888275;mats;!up the_scourge
1002568;1422888357;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 11 @ 0.09700913 = 1.0671 BTC [-] {3} 
1002569;1422888465;mats;!up the_scourge
1002570;1422888503;mats;found a dude thats read mp and loper
1002571;1422888711;punkman;ddos'd?
1002572;1422888811;mats;i doubt it
1002573;1422888870;mats;i'm in agony
1002574;1422888912;mats;i ate an entire package of seitan, like 14oz of it, after i came back from the gym last night
1002575;1422888966;mats;huge mistake... i don't think my stomach can process ~100 grams of protein
1002576;1422889211;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 2033 @ 0.00094998 = 1.9313 BTC [+] {6} 
1002577;1422890413;fluffypony;how the hell is Gray's Anatomy still going
1002578;1422890416;fluffypony;surely everyone has died
1002579;1422890436;fluffypony;11 seasons, damn
1002580;1422890466;thestringpuller;i could say same about dr. who
1002581;1422890487;fluffypony;eugh yeah, that too
1002582;1422890520;thestringpuller;mats: d00d. eat as much fiber as possible.
1002583;1422890526;thestringpuller;You'll poop it out easier.
1002584;1422890536;thestringpuller;I used to do the same thing as a kid.
1002585;1422891123;thestringpuller;http://www.cnn.com/2015/01/30/politics/jim-webb-white-working-people/ << lol.
1002586;1422891741;davout;http://www.coinfinance.com/news/bonafide-raises-850k-for-bitcoin-reputation-system
1002587;1422891743;assbot;Bonafide Raises $850k for Bitcoin Reputation System ... ( http://bit.ly/16ajsRr )
1002588;1422892008;thestringpuller;this sounds like a terrible product davout
1002589;1422892051;thestringpuller;"Rather than attempt to get individuals and firms to sign up for the website and ask for their reputations to be validated, Bonafide uses publicly available information — data from social networks and Bitcoin networks — to report on people and companies in the Bitcoin industry." << why not just do this stuff yourself?
1002590;1422892103;thestringpuller;additionally isn't the point of reputation peer based to begin with?
1002591;1422892245;davout;yep
1002592;1422892281;davout;wait a couple of months and some derp will come up with a btcjam variation built on top of it
1002593;1422892311;jurov;!t m f.mpif
1002594;1422892311;assbot;[MPEX:F.MPIF] 1D: 0 / 0 / 0 (0 shares, 0 BTC), 7D:  /  /  ( shares,  BTC), 30D: 0.0002 / 0.00020482 / 0.000205 (21190 shares, 4.34 BTC)
1002595;1422892331;mircea_popescu;teh consumers have come to expect, davout
1002596;1422892343;jurov;!mpif
1002597;1422892344;assbot;BtcAlpha.com F.MPIF Tracker estimated NAV per share: 0.00021368 B (Total: 467.27 B). Delta: -1.93 B. Last trade for F.MPIF on MPEX was at 0.000205 BTC [+]
1002598;1422892360;mats;mixing social networks and bitcoin networks? isn't that what keybase does?
1002599;1422892364;thestringpuller;how come btcjam hasn't gotten shut down MTGox style?
1002600;1422892393;davout;because they honor withdrawals i guess?
1002601;1422892399;thestringpuller;mats: that's onename.io
1002602;1422892453;mircea_popescu;thestringpuller because they never actually got that much mainstream exposure.
1002603;1422892473;mircea_popescu;they're mostly like reddit, a bunch of losers with nothing better on their plate hoping to get money "somehow"
1002604;1422892490;kakobrekla;<assbot> Bonafide Raises $850k for Bitcoin Reputation System . < whats wrong with asswot nao?
1002605;1422892505;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 55050 @ 0.00038134 = 20.9928 BTC [+]
1002606;1422892509;kakobrekla;oh oh i see
1002607;1422892511;kakobrekla;no css
1002608;1422892556;davout;kakobrekla: user has to keyboard
1002609;1422892562;PeterL;thestringpuller: "Bonafide uses publicly available information — data from social networks and Bitcoin networks — to report on people and companies in the Bitcoin industry." << why not just do this stuff yourself? << makes sense to compile various WoTs, gribbleWot and AssWoT are slowly diverging, it would be nice to have one place to look at both
1002610;1422892579;PeterL;not saying I trust them, but the idea has merit
1002611;1422892599;thestringpuller;it's not a true reputation system just and aggregator
1002612;1422892606;thestringpuller;an*
1002613;1422892627;PeterL;right
1002614;1422892635;thestringpuller;and as you said how can you trust the information aggregated unless you vet it yourself
1002615;1422892641;thestringpuller;so it kinda defeats the purpose?
1002616;1422892647;PeterL;gives you a place to start though
1002617;1422892690;PeterL;and I also don't see why they need 850k to make said system?
1002618;1422892705;thestringpuller;^-that too
1002619;1422892735;PeterL;somebody wants to "invest in bitcoin companies", but has more money than sense?
1002620;1422892775;thestringpuller;its a trend that's gone the way of the sitcom by now it seems
1002621;1422892787;PeterL;they probably won't even think to include GribbleWot and AssWoT in their agregator
1002622;1422892808;thestringpuller;"I have great idea". Next "YCombinator-it". Raise seed funding. Run out of money. Ask mommy daddy for more. Rinse repeat.
1002623;1422892834;kakobrekla;ofc not, nobody even uses irc anymore
1002624;1422892863;PeterL;they end up with no money, where did it all go? who is winning from this chumpatron?
1002625;1422892863;thestringpuller;asswot only requires IRC to leave reputations
1002626;1422892879;mats;https://trmm.net/Taking_things_apart
1002627;1422892881;assbot;Taking things apart - Trammell Hudson's Projects ... ( http://bit.ly/1zN18eU )
1002628;1422892906;thestringpuller;you could probably abstract the IRC part of asswot with a stand alone client
1002629;1422892922;kakobrekla;https://bonafide.io/static/images/laptop-product2.png
1002630;1422892924;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1zN1eTS )
1002631;1422892926;kakobrekla;wtf is that 'balance' doing there?
1002632;1422892945;kakobrekla;in bezzle format even
1002633;1422892969;mircea_popescu;<kakobrekla> no css << to quote myself, you're thinking actual dollars, someone saved. these however are not that, they're fictitious dollars yellen printed.
1002634;1422892974;mircea_popescu;not in any sense comparable.
1002635;1422893006;mike_c;oh my.  everything being tracked in that product shot is from web wallets.
1002636;1422893010;mircea_popescu;<PeterL> not saying I trust them, but the idea has merit << the idea has merit in your eyes on the unwarranted assumption that it is being implementred by people in the wot.
1002637;1422893051;kakobrekla;<mircea_popescu> not in any sense comparable. < doesnt matter as long as someone else doesnt care
1002638;1422893056;mircea_popescu;thestringpuller> it's not a true reputation system just and aggregator << actually, it's a repackaging of an ancient idea in the words du jour. tucker max also made a "itsuptoyou" website that was essentially... yet another (meanwhile failed) blog.
1002639;1422893069;mircea_popescu;kakobrekla so then don't care and it won't matter ? :)
1002640;1422893070;PeterL;well, yes, it only works if done right. (kinda goes without saying)
1002641;1422893081;kakobrekla;lol not i!
1002642;1422893085;mircea_popescu;PeterL but the thing is you're not saying and they're not working :)
1002643;1422893087;mircea_popescu;kakobrekla oic.
1002644;1422893103;mircea_popescu;PeterL kinda like how murican marriages work too.
1002645;1422893139;mircea_popescu;anyway, it needs 850k so people can be paying rents, mortgages and college debt in california.
1002646;1422893146;thestringpuller;^-
1002647;1422893150;thestringpuller;d00de
1002648;1422893154;mircea_popescu;has exactly nothing to do with anything else.
1002649;1422893164;thestringpuller;mircea_popescu: this is the entire point of ycombinator
1002650;1422893183;thestringpuller;you have "good idea" that really is bad but seems "interesting" so get paid to live while working on it
1002651;1422893192;thestringpuller;cause you aren't employable otherwise
1002652;1422893204;mircea_popescu;nah. you get paid so you can spend a little of your own money ON TOP.
1002653;1422893207;PeterL;although, I don't see how it could make any money?
1002654;1422893232;mircea_popescu;PeterL but it making money is not the point. the idea isn't for -god forbid- some inept cocklets ending up with control of the means of production./
1002655;1422893248;mircea_popescu;the idea is to keep the battery chickens distracted, and their attention firmly focused on the state.
1002656;1422893253;thestringpuller;the interesting phenomenon of the homeless entrepreneur in the bay area. more each year.
1002657;1422893255;mircea_popescu;so they don't form relationships either.
1002658;1422893273;mircea_popescu;control of capital and control of relationships. that's exactly why we're about bitcoin and about the wot.
1002659;1422893313;thestringpuller;so given SF's economy is pretty much ponzi (floating on start up money) does the entire place become oakland 2.0 when it all falls apart?
1002660;1422893327;mircea_popescu;PeterL you have to understand, 99% of the circulating material is just that. they get fed hay, they shit it out, it goes on the pasture, which makes more hay. the people live off the wool produced, which is a side effect.
1002661;1422893340;PeterL;thestringpuller: maybe it would be worse?
1002662;1422893342;mircea_popescu;the homeostasis is otherwise build out of circulating materials that get endlessly recyucled.
1002663;1422893361;mircea_popescu;thestringpuller it can't become oakland, because these are whiny white nerds.
1002664;1422893386;mircea_popescu;they have no fundamental culture, like black dudes do have. they don't even know how to like without facebook.
1002665;1422893407;PeterL;maybe Oakland takes over SF and kicks out (or enslaves) the whiney white guys?
1002666;1422893412;mircea_popescu;no, it will become manchester in 1990.
1002667;1422893443;mircea_popescu;hm i guess that doesn't really mean so much.
1002668;1422893454;mircea_popescu;well... everyone seen trainspotting ? that's where it's headed. those kids.
1002669;1422893474;thestringpuller;^- hah aids and heroin
1002670;1422893504;mircea_popescu;pretty much. and dead babies.
1002671;1422893517;mircea_popescu;dead babies who died of being hungry for a month while nobody noticed.
1002672;1422893534;mircea_popescu;and that fucking gray.
1002673;1422893613;PeterL;BingoBoingo: Half a yard from the end zone and Captain Nigger tosses an interception. Bullshit ending to the game. << I liked the end, and I thought the play could have worked, both players had their hands on the ball, defensive guy just wanted it more
1002674;1422893774;PeterL;BingoBoingo:Indeed. Would have been nice to see Seattle win on the ground and close the book on the Air Assault era that ushered in << Ground game worked for MSU in the Cotton Bowl, overcame Baylor setting air records.
1002675;1422893800;mircea_popescu;kakobrekla by the way, if you feel like spending a year doing it, i'm pretty sure many/most ba projects COULD be shopped for bay area investment.
1002676;1422893817;mircea_popescu;you'll have to go there, and you'll have to meet people. i'll back you, if you want to do it.
1002677;1422893908;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 179100 @ 0.00036867 = 66.0288 BTC [-] {3} 
1002678;1422893916;mircea_popescu;holy shit this is still going /
1002679;1422893937;mircea_popescu;lol qntra ended up with some buyside out of the deal too.
1002680;1422893937;scoopbot;New post on Trilema by Mircea Popescu: http://trilema.com/2015/no-such-labs-snsa-january-2015-statement/
1002681;1422893950;mircea_popescu;someone tell mr moneybags there aren't even half that many shares in circulation lolz.
1002682;1422895050;asciilifeform;rip, carl djerassi.
1002683;1422895052;asciilifeform;http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2015-01-31/carl-djerassi-chemist-behind-birth-control-pill-dies-at-91
1002684;1422895054;assbot;Carl Djerassi, Chemist Behind Birth-Control Pill, Dies at 91 - Bloomberg Business ... ( http://bit.ly/1K3DQCW )
1002685;1422895078;mircea_popescu;his white pill did more for the red pill than any blue pillers wish to admit.
1002686;1422895185;asciilifeform;how many pushers of whatever political 'pill' can write one coherent paragraph re: what djerassi did.
1002687;1422895245;mircea_popescu;myeah.
1002688;1422895265;mircea_popescu;to quote hanbot, "you know had i not met you i don't think i ever would have realized how well anthropology and sadism go together."
1002689;1422895326;asciilifeform;245870, incidentally.
1002690;1422895341;mircea_popescu;not bad.
1002691;1422895394;PeterL;"The Nuclear Sciences Division within the Energy and Environment Directorate is seeking a Senior Plutonium Chemist. The candidate must have research experience and expertise in chemistry and processing of macro quantities of plutonium." << Too bad this doesn't fit my background ...
1002692;1422895405;asciilifeform;unfortunately the timing of that experiment will soon be ruined, it is running on a gigantic portable that will be going into a knapsack in a few min.
1002693;1422895434;mircea_popescu;PeterL apply anyway.
1002694;1422895445;mircea_popescu;word around the terrorist campfire is, the usg is really running short on talent.
1002695;1422895458;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform what you're moving again ?
1002696;1422895464;asciilifeform;bastard node
1002697;1422895498;asciilifeform;it'll be down for about ~1h each leg of trip.
1002698;1422895522;asciilifeform;putting this here for anyone who actually gives a damn re: the numbers, timing.
1002699;1422895525;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform tradecraft, he lives in places 3 months at a time
1002700;1422895537;asciilifeform;lol it's a portable
1002701;1422895545;asciilifeform;not moving in the sense of changing address
1002702;1422895549;asciilifeform;but i do occasionally leave the house
1002703;1422895555;asciilifeform;(see s.nsa broadcast!)
1002704;1422895578;mircea_popescu;:p
1002705;1422895639;asciilifeform;'bonafide' corp << the 'pretend #b-a doesn't exist, never existed, wouldn't matter if did exit' stratagem chugs along.
1002706;1422895687;mircea_popescu;certainly not to ba's detriment :D
1002707;1422895702;mircea_popescu;what would any disease want more than for the host to claim it's perfctly healthy ?
1002708;1422895951;PeterL;That was me the past couple days: I'm fine, I'm fine, I'll get better, I'm hacking up gobs of bloody phlegm I guess I'll go to the doctor
1002709;1422895970;mircea_popescu;lol
1002710;1422895973;mircea_popescu;bronchitis ?
1002711;1422895981;PeterL;strep throat
1002712;1422895985;mircea_popescu;("no, pulmonar oedema")
1002713;1422896590;mircea_popescu;mats: this is gonna be good <<< it's pretty threatening, shell has really no interest to refine further, at least for the next three months.
1002714;1422896603;mircea_popescu;most toothless stoppage ever, but it does take a bite out of obama.
1002715;1422896897;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26416 @ 0.00036362 = 9.6054 BTC [-]
1002716;1422897385;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 138400 @ 0.000372 = 51.4848 BTC [+] {3} 
1002717;1422898117;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 86100 @ 0.00036077 = 31.0623 BTC [-]
1002718;1422898208;mircea_popescu;"The anti-fork crowd mostly consists of a small minority of ego-maniacal, 1% wannabees who want to keep Bitcoin as a niche market for elitist whales because it suits their vested interests. "
1002719;1422898232;mircea_popescu;so much brainwarp. man i love bitcoin.
1002720;1422898270;thestringpuller;where was that posted?
1002721;1422898281;thestringpuller;reddit?
1002722;1422898286;thestringpuller;or tardtalk?
1002723;1422898348;ben_vulpes;hola pumperos
1002724;1422898469;thestringpuller;who u callin a pumpero?
1002725;1422898552;jurov;thestringpuller calm down, just some niggers
1002726;1422898635;thestringpuller;"That's our word jurov you have no business using it!" lol (family guy reference)
1002727;1422898666;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 108982 @ 0.00038174 = 41.6028 BTC [+] {2} 
1002728;1422899154;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 156498 @ 0.00035996 = 56.333 BTC [-] {2} 
1002729;1422899254;ben_vulpes;re grape market << what are the best plants to farm for turning solar energy into sugar?
1002730;1422899272;*;ben_vulpes wants to own an alcohol farm
1002731;1422899291;ben_vulpes;and none of these fancy "wine" thingies - that's an opaque and stupid market to sell into full of branding and other crap.
1002732;1422899297;trinque;oooh! now there's a timeless business
1002733;1422899306;ben_vulpes;etoh, baby. something i put in a furnace and get real fuckin hot.
1002734;1422899317;ben_vulpes;something i can douse gunshot wounds in.
1002735;1422899319;ben_vulpes;something i can drink.
1002736;1422899332;thestringpuller;ben_vulpes you want to fucking distill?
1002737;1422899340;thestringpuller;just make some fucking beer mr. hipster
1002738;1422899343;thestringpuller;lolol
1002739;1422899357;thestringpuller;isn't moonshining rather dangerous
1002740;1422899379;ben_vulpes;can't burn beer
1002741;1422899380;punkman;you can distill grapes, plus they are useful for other things
1002742;1422899387;kakobrekla;then you will want to do schnapps (plums) or whiskey/bourbon
1002743;1422899457;kakobrekla;i think plums are your best bet here
1002744;1422899760;jurov;depends on climate, most fruits would do
1002745;1422899788;trinque;plums can handle the pacific nw
1002746;1422900435;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 108518 @ 0.00038203 = 41.4571 BTC [+] {2} 
1002747;1422900469;mats;!up the_scourge
1002748;1422900496;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3732 @ 0.00038245 = 1.4273 BTC [+]
1002749;1422900571;the_scourge;trinque: also gravenstein apples are VERY adept in the pacific NW all the way up to cape scott
1002750;1422901167;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 1420 @ 0.00095934 = 1.3623 BTC [+] {7} 
1002751;1422902450;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 70150 @ 0.00036754 = 25.7829 BTC [-]
1002752;1422902692;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 2000 @ 0.00096961 = 1.9392 BTC [+] {4} 
1002753;1422903336;kakobrekla;https://i.imgur.com/n9Th4q5.jpg
1002754;1422903338;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1yvQGm7 )
1002755;1422903416;trinque;kakobrekla: used that one in high school :)
1002756;1422903460;kakobrekla;tru hax0r
1002757;1422903476;trinque;heh no, but many a quake match
1002758;1422903646;PeterL;thestringpuller:isn't moonshining rather dangerous << If you know what you are doing and have the right safety measures in place it is not really dangerous
1002759;1422903912;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 405558 @ 0.00038143 = 154.692 BTC [+] {3} 
1002760;1422903940;coderwill;trinque: ah, a fellow quake player - nice to meet you :bows:
1002761;1422903959;trinque;coderwill: shamefully it has been years
1002762;1422903973;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18842 @ 0.00038565 = 7.2664 BTC [+]
1002763;1422904012;coderwill;trinque: same
1002764;1422904044;coderwill;trinque: but years ago, i must admit that i played so much that my eyes would tear as if i were crying or something
1002765;1422904059;coderwill;trinque: was all in to clans, etc. hehe
1002766;1422904359;mats;!up the_scourge
1002767;1422904461;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 99685 @ 0.00038587 = 38.4655 BTC [+] {2} 
1002768;1422904583;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 32550 @ 0.00036754 = 11.9634 BTC [-]
1002769;1422905865;scoopbot;New post on serialized delusions by JuroV: http://explo.yt/post/2015/02/02/F.MPIF-January-2015-trading-statement
1002770;1422905882;jurov;looky it works
1002771;1422905884;thestringpuller;anyone reporting on this: https://twitter.com/kari_paul/status/562279244626411521 ?
1002772;1422905943;danielpbarron;hah
1002773;1422905948;thestringpuller;cazalla & BingoBoingo?
1002774;1422906169;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 46246 @ 0.00038604 = 17.8528 BTC [+] {2} 
1002775;1422906230;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22704 @ 0.00038806 = 8.8105 BTC [+] {2} 
1002776;1422907052;BingoBoingo;* ben_vulpes wants to own an alcohol farm << Rye, prolly cheaper to just buy by the ton
1002777;1422907064;trinque;thestringpuller: seems the precedent being established is "if you're in bitcoin, you may not defend yourself in court"
1002778;1422907376;BingoBoingo;http://qntra.net/2015/02/preet-bharara-and-dratel-battle-over-defense-witness-plain-text-of-filings/#update
1002779;1422907377;assbot;Preet Bharara and Dratel Battle Over Defense Witness (Plain Text of Filings) | Qntra.net ... ( http://bit.ly/1uRA2fe )
1002780;1422907392;BingoBoingo;thestringpuller: ^
1002781;1422907402;ben_vulpes;BingoBoingo: but what about when it *can't* be bought?
1002782;1422907458;BingoBoingo;ben_vulpes: Make friends? Have farm, build storage for bought rye and use your land for cash crops.
1002783;1422907511;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10130 @ 0.00038814 = 3.9319 BTC [+]
1002784;1422907541;BingoBoingo;Oh people are now ripping off MP's conference format http://www.coindesk.com/bitcoin-elite-meet-secret-island-bilderberg-style-retreat/
1002785;1422907541;assbot;Bitcoin Elite to Gather on Secret Island for Bilderberg-Style Retreat ... ( http://bit.ly/1uRApXj )
1002786;1422907544;jurov;announce: qntra shares credited to coinbr users who requested it
1002787;1422907738;BingoBoingo;Ty jurov
1002788;1422908042;thestringpuller;MP stole GLBSE's idea
1002789;1422908056;thestringpuller;jk
1002790;1422908136;danielpbarron;http://satoshiroundtable.org/wp-content/uploads/2014/12/escudo-shatoshi-779x1024.png << they even got the dogecoin dog in the logo
1002791;1422908138;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1uRBLBi )
1002792;1422908273;TomServo;Well thank goodness for that.  Someone might've taken it seriously otherwise.
1002793;1422908273;jurov;"Another example is that some CEOs fear to attack known scams in public because..." lol so they will attack them privately?
1002794;1422908284;danielpbarron;they put all the people who are banned from bitcoin in one convenient list
1002795;1422908353;danielpbarron;although I don't see derpopolus on the list
1002796;1422908358;jurov;they won't resist parading and making press statements... can qntra send anyone?
1002797;1422908457;thestringpuller;i'd go if they didn't still lynch negroes
1002798;1422908509;ben_vulpes;http://globalguerrillas.typepad.com/globalguerrillas/2015/02/bots-and-the-super-empowered-individual.html?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+typepad%2FrzYD+%28Global+Guerrillas%29
1002799;1422908511;assbot;Exploiting the Robocaller Gap - Global Guerrillas ... ( http://bit.ly/1uRCyCa )
1002800;1422908532;thestringpuller;mod6: dat feeling hearing Jeezy's verse on the Hustlin' remix
1002801;1422908789;BingoBoingo;<jurov> they won't resist parading and making press statements... can qntra send anyone? << Maybe we'll get invites next time?
1002802;1422908962;BingoBoingo;https://twitter.com/FranBerkman/status/562276041918783488
1002803;1422908963;assbot;Judge Forrest on defense's proposed /hashtag/Bitcoin?src=hash expert: "The court has no idea what Mr. Antonopoulos' qualifications are." /hashtag/SilkRoadTrial?src=hash
1002804;1422909073;mircea_popescu;<ben_vulpes> and none of these fancy "wine" thingies << corn.
1002805;1422909125;mircea_popescu;"Changing the fees to be higher for Bitcoin, is going against what people like to say are some of the best things about Bitcoin, it's like changing what Bitcoin is."
1002806;1422909131;mircea_popescu;"bitcoin is what derps like to say it is"
1002807;1422909134;mircea_popescu;logic.
1002808;1422909140;asciilifeform;conference << does it include silverware, to wear on head?
1002809;1422909168;BingoBoingo;https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B8zNXsaCYAAVRTS.jpg
1002810;1422909169;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/16n6mS1 )
1002811;1422909178;mircea_popescu;jurov they pay qntra to attend. once they actually get some money together and can afford being in the actual press.
1002812;1422909221;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo except this isn't a democracy.
1002813;1422909243;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: Of course, I'm highlighting the "meta-wrong"
1002814;1422909279;BingoBoingo;However long Obama's USSA persists they will imagine such things
1002815;1422909312;mircea_popescu;well actually, that's nothing. i await with eagerness to see what the next democrat is going to promise.
1002816;1422909320;mircea_popescu;i mean, they gotta keep raising it.
1002817;1422909326;trinque;basic income
1002818;1422909331;mircea_popescu;how much ?
1002819;1422909332;trinque;that's the motherload right there
1002820;1422909340;mircea_popescu;it has to be at least 900
1002821;1422909341;trinque;hell everyone should make 50k/yr
1002822;1422909367;trinque;why don't they just come harvest blood from me directly
1002823;1422909385;asciilifeform;lol, why not 50 trillion
1002824;1422909398;trinque;asciilifeform: the "right to happiness"
1002825;1422909401;trinque;the pursuit is inhumane
1002826;1422909427;asciilifeform;not like it costs so much more to print the word 'trillion' on bill
1002827;1422909463;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 286200 @ 0.00037014 = 105.9341 BTC [-] {3} 
1002828;1422909466;thestringpuller;"It's called Moronitor because it tracks users who repeatedly use the same address." << re: Bonafide
1002829;1422909472;mircea_popescu;pity bill clinton's no longer in office
1002830;1422909478;mircea_popescu;he could have made the bill-ion
1002831;1422909481;BingoBoingo;<asciilifeform> not like it costs so much more to print the word 'trillion' on bill << We might have to run that past nubbins'
1002832;1422909502;mircea_popescu;thestringpuller speaking of the bona fide, i got some pics earlier
1002833;1422909519;thestringpuller;hooray for MP's porn
1002834;1422909528;thestringpuller;i mean bona fide pics.
1002835;1422909554;mircea_popescu;https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=941331.msg10329671#msg10329671 << i like how tight davout's arguing is.
1002836;1422909555;assbot;Bitcoin 20MB Fork ... ( http://bit.ly/1uREHxO )
1002837;1422909576;mircea_popescu;"dude, you don't get to escalate me. go use the proper venues the proper way or shove it."
1002838;1422909834;BingoBoingo;https://twitter.com/FranBerkman/status/562276041918783488
1002839;1422909836;assbot;Judge Forrest on defense's proposed /hashtag/Bitcoin?src=hash expert: "The court has no idea what Mr. Antonopoulos' qualifications are." /hashtag/SilkRoadTrial?src=hash
1002840;1422909955;mircea_popescu;lol
1002841;1422909957;trinque;mircea_popescu: re: earlier rant about linux permissions, -w does not in fact mean -w if you're root
1002842;1422909962;trinque;chattr -i does
1002843;1422909970;mircea_popescu;heh
1002844;1422909974;trinque;fucking madness, bronze-age punishments for lying please
1002845;1422910249;mircea_popescu;"BUT YOU ARE SECURING TRANSACTIONS WORTH SOMETHING LIKE 2,000 TIMES MORE VALUABLE THAN TODAY'S TRANSACTIONS" << check out allcaps usgavin thinking bitcoi nin terms of "usd value"
1002846;1422910286;ben_vulpes;naw bru
1002847;1422910290;ben_vulpes;we're securing bitcoin transactions
1002848;1422910292;ben_vulpes;what's a dollar?
1002849;1422910300;ben_vulpes;source?
1002850;1422910413;mircea_popescu;https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=941331.msg10330613#msg10330613 idiot thread v x.0
1002851;1422910414;assbot;Bitcoin 20MB Fork ... ( http://bit.ly/16nbVjj )
1002852;1422910427;mircea_popescu;that peter r shill is back in there with his nonsensical golfclub "statistics",
1002853;1422910430;thestringpuller;mircea_popescu: Undeadopolus still looking for brainz to munch on...
1002854;1422910441;mircea_popescu;it's been killed in teh logs, but obviously shills don't read.
1002855;1422910596;mircea_popescu;(MP standing for Mircea Popescu.. - dam he must be so thrilled having the 'basic' bitcoin renamed after him XD) << no, actually, i'd rather it just be called bitcoin. which is what it is.
1002856;1422910613;mircea_popescu;saying no to idiots is hardly enough merit to rename things, we'll end up with weekly renamings if this is how things work.
1002857;1422910883;mircea_popescu;"Also, I used to read their logs on IRC, and there was a guy called 'pankkake' (also in btctalk) who seems to have vanished. I think its because they disagreed regarding the fork thing, so if anyone could share the light on his views, that'd be interesting too since I used to value his thoughts." <<< wasn't that over the systemd fork of linux !?
1002858;1422911002;TomServo;That was my impression.  Almost certain is was pre-fork talk also.
1002859;1422911034;mircea_popescu;"I'd suggest you go research existing high-value-payment networks and see what typical fees are for multi-million dollar transactions. FEDWIRE is running at 6 transactions per second, average transaction value over $6million, with fees per transaction UNDER ONE DOLLAR.
1002860;1422911035;mircea_popescu;Why? Because if you are giving somebody one million dollars for something, you almost certainly have built up real-world trust, and probably have a longstanding relationship, signed contracts, etc etc."
1002861;1422911070;mircea_popescu;basically, one less explored point of usgavin's interest with the fork is to cripple the politically revolutionary side of bitcoin. obviously if bitcoin can't be bitcoin then the replacement of plain contracts with gpg-contracts will at least be hindered.
1002862;1422911081;mircea_popescu;as if that's how the world works, old men get what they want for wanting it.
1002863;1422911086;mircea_popescu;what is this, new england ?!
1002864;1422911114;thestringpuller;the patriots did win the superbowl
1002865;1422911118;thestringpuller;to BingoBoingo's dismay
1002866;1422911124;thestringpuller;woo.
1002867;1422911131;*;thestringpuller was born in Hartford.
1002868;1422911132;*;danielpbarron didn't bother watching
1002869;1422911172;BingoBoingo;thestringpuller: It isn't that they won. It was how they won. Fucking worthless ending spoiled all of the fun that came before... except for the gold 30 foot tall mechanical tiger.
1002870;1422911185;thestringpuller;XD
1002871;1422911194;thestringpuller;BingoBoingo you sound like the announcers
1002872;1422911221;thestringpuller;Srsly tho. Up until Halftime the game was neck and neck. Two evenly matched teams.
1002873;1422911224;BingoBoingo;I might be qualified to be such.
1002874;1422911242;danielpbarron;i just noticed, the foundation's bitcoind still uses irc?
1002875;1422911250;thestringpuller;I missed the "exciting part" as I drove home. No radio station was giving highlights.
1002876;1422911292;BingoBoingo;The problem was Seattle decided to play with their food in order to burn the clock. Like the villain taunting instead of driving the knife deeper.
1002877;1422911324;punkman;bitcoin RI compiled without errors on linux mint btw
1002878;1422911354;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 2266 @ 0.00096989 = 2.1978 BTC [-]
1002879;1422911415;punkman;anyone wanna give me a node IP I can connect to for testing?
1002880;1422911415;mircea_popescu;o hey
1002881;1422911435;danielpbarron;does it have to be of the same version?
1002882;1422911443;danielpbarron;my ip is a full node
1002883;1422911444;mircea_popescu;nope
1002884;1422911469;mircea_popescu;probably better if not the same version, actually.
1002885;1422911486;danielpbarron;point at me, i'm running 0.7.2 here
1002886;1422911515;TomServo;danielpbarron: as I understand, with upnp being clipped IRC was the remaining node discovery mechanism
1002887;1422911531;TomServo;Someeone please correct me if I'm mistaken.
1002888;1422911550;punkman;and dnsseed
1002889;1422911558;danielpbarron;acutally i'm not at "full" at the moment; playing a little catchup from the last crash
1002890;1422911561;mircea_popescu;"Or would you prefer to introduce sliding scale fee structure (higher tx amount - higher fee)?"
1002891;1422911563;mircea_popescu;AHAHAHAHAHAHA
1002892;1422911567;mircea_popescu;fuck you jesus christ.
1002893;1422911579;mircea_popescu;the one thing poor people will NOT give up except with their life is "you got money gimme"
1002894;1422911615;mircea_popescu;how about all txn under 1 BTC are excised 99 bitcents fee because fuck you, go be poor in massachussetts ?
1002895;1422911628;mircea_popescu;and all txn over 1k are free because fuck you that side doo.
1002896;1422911684;mircea_popescu;"one of the unique and beneficial attributes of btc is you can send someone a 50 cent tip or a million dollars for almost nothing in transaction fees
1002897;1422911684;mircea_popescu;i think it would be a big mistake to put higher fees on higher tx amounts and i would vote against it ,raise the block size if necessary and prune the blockchain is a better idea imo
1002898;1422911684;mircea_popescu;everyone doesnt need the last 6-7 years of history ,there must be some way to let new users download the most recent portion without the previous 6 years or just the headers instead of every entire block  etc
1002899;1422911684;mircea_popescu;its already a 33GB download ,imagine that increasing exponentially ,nobodys going to download it all when it exceeds 100GB but i suppose we could all use "lite wallets " etc but that would also weaken the network if most people were using multibit etc"
1002900;1422911691;mircea_popescu;the shit in that thread... i gotta stop reading.
1002901;1422911762;BingoBoingo;The "nobody will buy a hard drive" people are the worst. The problem isn't the hard drive.
1002902;1422911769;danielpbarron;height=173849 << my pogo running "bastard"
1002903;1422911777;mircea_popescu;you got that to comp[ile too ?
1002904;1422911782;mircea_popescu;going pretty good there danielpbarron
1002905;1422911784;danielpbarron;not yet
1002906;1422911791;mircea_popescu;just using stan's binaries /
1002907;1422911792;mircea_popescu;?
1002908;1422911797;danielpbarron;yep
1002909;1422911816;asciilifeform;just build the damn thing. not that hard to do
1002910;1422911826;asciilifeform;all you need is a reasonable linux
1002911;1422911847;punkman;asciilifeform: the dnsseed-snip is for the portatronic branch right?
1002912;1422911849;mircea_popescu;let the guy go at his pace yo
1002913;1422911850;danielpbarron;yeah that's the hang up; i'm about to reformat my laptop
1002914;1422911887;danielpbarron;leaving ubuntu never to return
1002915;1422911888;asciilifeform;dnsseed snip should work for -any-, as it only concerns net.cpp
1002916;1422911914;trinque;danielpbarron: where you headed? openbsd?
1002917;1422911919;danielpbarron;no
1002918;1422911924;danielpbarron;not yet at least
1002919;1422911933;mircea_popescu;punkman: you can distill grapes, plus they are useful for other things << great anal beads
1002920;1422911936;mircea_popescu;if you're out of olives.
1002921;1422911953;trinque;gentoo's fucked imo; everything depends on everything. I look at it the wrong way and suddenly I've got avahi-daemon or some other madness installed
1002922;1422911977;danielpbarron;someone said mint worked, maybe i'll try that
1002923;1422911977;trinque;they moved a bunch of useflags into their own vars too, I noticed. because that was necessary
1002924;1422912000;trinque;danielpbarron: mint is based on ubuntu isn't it?
1002925;1422912002;asciilifeform;trinque: gentoo is as good as operator. you can excise the crud permanently and from everything running.
1002926;1422912006;danielpbarron;ok never mind :p
1002927;1422912020;danielpbarron;i installed gentoo once before
1002928;1422912026;trinque;asciilifeform: sure, I'm hacking back the kudzu with use flags
1002929;1422912030;trinque;would rather they were all off to start
1002930;1422912047;trinque;think I'm down to 115 or so packages in world
1002931;1422912113;mircea_popescu;kakobrekla: https://i.imgur.com/n9Th4q5.jpg <<< ahhh sweet highschool....
1002932;1422912115;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/16nkdYt )
1002933;1422912129;BingoBoingo;<danielpbarron> someone said mint worked, maybe i'll try that << Systemd free, but... better venue for introducing microsoft refugees to not MS. Not really next step to get better at *nix
1002934;1422912160;mircea_popescu;PeterL: If you know what you are doing  << most of rural transylvania still makes its own moonshine. most still operators spend the three days it takes entirely drunk.
1002935;1422912163;mircea_popescu;on fumes.
1002936;1422912281;cazalla;did they solve global warming or something? it's summer yet this is day 4 of putting the heating on each morning
1002937;1422912289;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo:  Oh people are now ripping off MP's conference format << lmao buncha wanna-bes. what fucking elite ?
1002938;1422912300;mircea_popescu;cazalla it's alternatively warm.
1002939;1422912319;mircea_popescu;they're just being inclusive to all climates while working with technology to resolve the problems of the future.
1002940;1422912342;BingoBoingo;It's the middle of winter and I fetched mail jacketless without feeling a chill. Scam weather.
1002941;1422912355;mircea_popescu;"Organized by Bruce Fenton of the Bitcoin Association and Atlantic Financial, participants in the first annual Satoshi Roundtable include top executives from companies such as Blockchain, BitGo, BitPesa, Chain, ChangeTip, Coinapult and MegaBigPower, as well as noted VCs in the space such as Erik Voorhees and Roger Ver."
1002942;1422912374;mircea_popescu;mkay, so yeah, fenton trying to buy credibility.
1002943;1422912398;mircea_popescu;yo fenton, miss tits what's her name didn't manage, and she had the tits. this is not how you do it, seriously, pretending like you matter works in whoredom, not in finance.
1002944;1422912407;mircea_popescu;i know they told you there's no difference. they lied.
1002945;1422912447;TomServo;http://kingstonjournal.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/06/zzz3.jpg
1002946;1422912449;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/16nlPkT )
1002947;1422912514;cazalla;fenton is a baller, he changedtipped me $2
1002948;1422912535;BingoBoingo;scoopbot -fetch
1002949;1422912536;cazalla;should prob write up an article that fenton tips racist, women hating men
1002950;1422912536;mircea_popescu;jurov: "Another example is that some CEOs fear to attack known scams in public because..." lol so they will attack them privately? << they have a serious strategic problem : employees are normally decent, intelligent human beings they're raping.
1002951;1422912548;scoopbot;New post on Qntra.net by Bingo Boingo: http://qntra.net/2015/02/bitmarket-pl-account-closed-over-hyip-links/
1002952;1422912560;mircea_popescu;then those people want to express their outrage. sometimes they do. then they get letters from the idiot "management" about how THIS IS NOT OUR CORPORATE CULTURE
1002953;1422912579;mircea_popescu;which is true, it isn't. the us is built on a corporate culture of empty pretense and outright fraud. course they tend to stick together.
1002954;1422912603;mircea_popescu;then those people lose morale and start coming to me with the stories, which hurts "everyone", which is to say : the scammers ; their friends.
1002955;1422912609;thestringpuller;mircea_popescu: some CEO's don't always rape their employees
1002956;1422912615;mircea_popescu;im sure some rubber chicken on a beach will solve all this!
1002957;1422912623;mircea_popescu;thestringpuller yeah, some don't always.
1002958;1422912629;mircea_popescu;viagra wears off.
1002959;1422912637;thestringpuller;some CEO's just slowly kill company like virus
1002960;1422912645;thestringpuller;like the nVidia d00d
1002961;1422912647;thestringpuller;troll style
1002962;1422912662;thestringpuller;kinda like Michael Scott from the Office just not as dimwitted.
1002963;1422912672;cazalla;anyway, this elite retreat was announced weeks ago, clearly it didn't get much traction so they called up coindesk to promote it
1002964;1422912684;mircea_popescu;there's a pretty fucking bad film about three stooges that conspire to kill their bosses.
1002965;1422912694;mircea_popescu;the film's unwatchable except for a kevin spacey monologue
1002966;1422912699;thestringpuller;Ah yes.
1002967;1422912706;mircea_popescu;"fuck you, sit down and work more."
1002968;1422912707;cazalla;https://twitter.com/brucefenton/status/558819102861819904 1 comment on reddit, obv they didn't get the validation they were seeking the first time around
1002969;1422912709;assbot;Satoshi Roundtable is coming soon... http://t.co/5IdMdX025t
1002970;1422912711;thestringpuller;And Jennifer Anniston sexual harrassing her assistant.
1002971;1422912719;thestringpuller;Cause who would really care?
1002972;1422912730;mircea_popescu;o that's who the old broad was ?
1002973;1422912740;mircea_popescu;wow, all those chick flicks really age a body.
1002974;1422912744;mircea_popescu;almost like politics.
1002975;1422912747;thestringpuller;Yup.
1002976;1422912752;thestringpuller;And you know 11 years on Friends
1002977;1422912754;mircea_popescu;cazalla send him a link to logs ?
1002978;1422912762;mircea_popescu;maybe he figures it the fuck out eventually.
1002979;1422912769;thestringpuller;cazalla: now that's a story if you can confirm...
1002980;1422912795;mircea_popescu;thestringpuller: i'd go if they didn't still lynch negroes << who does ?!
1002981;1422912802;thestringpuller;the jews
1002982;1422912806;*;thestringpuller stares at ben_vulpes 
1002983;1422912814;mircea_popescu;heh. so bring a girl, and go "don't lynch me, take her instead" then run.
1002984;1422912838;thestringpuller;omg i'd get lynched harder if I showed up /w white girl
1002985;1422912842;BingoBoingo;thestringpuller: Bring Marshawn Lynch, and Lynch them back
1002986;1422912853;mircea_popescu;show up with a blue one then, mess with everyone's head.
1002987;1422912855;thestringpuller;"Who let this nigger in here with one of our womenz?!?!?"
1002988;1422912858;thestringpuller;LOL
1002989;1422912860;danielpbarron;that's asking a "Lot"
1002990;1422912877;mircea_popescu;the "lynch me harder" thing is lulzy tho.
1002991;1422912889;mircea_popescu;just exactly what do you think this lynching business is :D
1002992;1422912896;mircea_popescu;are you a lynch virgin, thestringpuller ?
1002993;1422912979;mircea_popescu;assbot: Exploiting the Robocaller Gap - Global Guerrillas << speaking of this ben_vulpes, how about a site where people can get bitcoin for reading messages on the screen, then autodial them into say 5k different emergency zones across the us.
1002994;1422913015;mircea_popescu;stress test the system, as it were. see what happens when there's i dunno, 500k pps ddos, but not from wordpress to me.
1002995;1422913023;mircea_popescu;backwards.
1002996;1422913030;thestringpuller;mircea_popescu: one of my ancestors was lynched in mississipi so the family isn't a lynch virgin
1002997;1422913036;mircea_popescu;o srsly ?
1002998;1422913039;thestringpuller;but i myself am
1002999;1422913040;thestringpuller;lol
1003000;1422913054;mircea_popescu;how do you feel about that ? i got a few ancestors that were killed by teh turks and teh russians.
1003001;1422913060;mircea_popescu;oddly enough, i dislike just the russians.
1003002;1422913062;*;danielpbarron too
1003003;1422913103;thestringpuller;well given my family is on exponential curve in wealth (only a generation ago we were in the projects), i'd say the karma is coming back around
1003004;1422913135;mircea_popescu;heh. most everyone in romania was in teh projects coupla decades ago
1003005;1422913137;mircea_popescu;where's that pic
1003006;1422913170;mircea_popescu;http://trilema.com/2010/piinea-amara-a-baietasilor-de-cartier/ << 1990s pic of romania's top hip hop band.
1003007;1422913170;assbot;Piinea amara a baietasilor de cartier pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.  ... ( http://bit.ly/16nowD5 )
1003008;1422913174;thestringpuller;mircea_popescu: how were they killed by the turks and russians?
1003009;1422913223;thestringpuller;ah yea. i remember coming accross that pic on trilema (random page of the front page thing)
1003010;1422913228;mircea_popescu;thestringpuller well, romania as a sovereign nation was mostly constructed around this event where the czar declared war on the turks on the fumes of imagining himself like the germans, and buying the british propaganda about the "dead man of europe". the turks were the origina lrhodesia.
1003011;1422913245;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 72800 @ 0.00037173 = 27.0619 BTC [+]
1003012;1422913264;mircea_popescu;anyway, the turks mowed them down, and so the commanding officer sent the romanian kind a "plz save us telegram'. so the romanian army moved in, beat back the turks, took some impossible redoubts, lost like a third of the men and that was that.
1003013;1422913306;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15800 @ 0.00037392 = 5.9079 BTC [+]
1003014;1422913306;thestringpuller;Ah. Okay so 1800's at somepoint?
1003015;1422913315;mircea_popescu;then later in ww2, romanian army went all the way to stalingrad, raping and pillaging with the germans, then got beaten back, went over to like, prague, and then after the war there was all that "sociailism" thingee/
1003016;1422913320;mircea_popescu;1880s yea
1003017;1422913340;thestringpuller;yea about same time great great great g-pa was lynched and thrown into swamp
1003018;1422913355;mircea_popescu;;;google The Romanian War of Independence
1003019;1422913356;gribble;Romanian War of Independence - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Romanian_War_of_Independence>; Romanian War of Independence - Simple English Wikipedia, the ...: <http://simple.wikipedia.org/wiki/Romanian_War_of_Independence>; Russo-Turkish War (1877–78) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russo- (1 more message)
1003020;1422913442;mircea_popescu;(one of the rare cases when a romanian was supreme commander of the russian troops in any war theater)
1003021;1422913499;thestringpuller;wow.
1003022;1422913516;thestringpuller;brb gonna read up on this. mircea_popescu always educatin mah simple mind
1003023;1422913526;thestringpuller;and doesn't charge (yet)
1003024;1422913531;mircea_popescu;there was also a case in ww1 when the romanian general was put in command of all the german units and so on.
1003025;1422913794;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 105500 @ 0.00037664 = 39.7355 BTC [+] {3} 
1003026;1422914014;mircea_popescu;!up the_scourge
1003027;1422914039;trinque;poor felipelalli, so much IP in da logs
1003028;1422914106;the_scourge;oh cheers
1003029;1422914120;the_scourge;sorry i didn't realize that was actually echoing
1003030;1422914154;felipelalli;trinque: thank you! :) Internet in Brazil is not easy. I am installing a new one, it arrives 14 Feb.
1003031;1422914166;mircea_popescu;!b 1
1003032;1422914166;assbot;Last 1 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/2N9HZ5E.txt )
1003033;1422914182;PeterL;you are replacing the internet?
1003034;1422914195;felipelalli;ahahha
1003035;1422914205;felipelalli;my cable, yes.
1003036;1422914225;mircea_popescu;i know i want a new internet too. who knew dilma got it
1003037;1422914236;trinque;felipelalli: if you beg the gods in #freenode they'll cloak you
1003038;1422914296;felipelalli;trinque: thanks. I'll try it.
1003039;1422914355;the_scourge;do you have to prove need now? needs-based systems are a sign of the apocalypse :)
1003040;1422914380;mircea_popescu;it's how sex works...
1003041;1422914413;the_scourge;mircea_popescu: that's the opposite of how sex works
1003042;1422914458;mircea_popescu;so "i have all this love to give" vs "i need to get laid" ?
1003043;1422914466;the_scourge;sex is 100% merit. it's the one thing that can't be made needs-based even temporarily
1003044;1422914484;the_scourge;um "i need to get laid" doesn't mean fuck all
1003045;1422914484;asciilifeform;http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2015-February/000043.html << guess what
1003046;1422914485;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/16nu1Sf )
1003047;1422914497;mircea_popescu;lol
1003048;1422914526;mircea_popescu;if sex were merit based how do you explain masturbation ?
1003049;1422914543;*;trinque goes to tell the welfare queens and trailer whores what sex is
1003050;1422914544;the_scourge;you could try asking your local cultural equality office of liberty to see if they can make it needs based.... get some equalisation fucks for the really needy
1003051;1422914607;mircea_popescu;actually, prostitution is legal here.
1003052;1422914637;the_scourge;ok, still mertis based
1003053;1422914662;the_scourge;unless romania is doing better on the equalisation front than.... everywhere else
1003054;1422914675;PeterL;asciilifeform: are we supposed to be suprised by the result?
1003055;1422914686;mircea_popescu;here = argentina.
1003056;1422914702;asciilifeform;PeterL: i for one am a little surprised that -any- of them work
1003057;1422914714;PeterL;any idea when these were last updated?
1003058;1422914753;asciilifeform;PeterL: the phoundation's git does not appear to have the hardcoded seeds any longer. when they were thrown out? no idea
1003059;1422914758;the_scourge;asciilifeform: do you always name your filehandles like that, or only in python
1003060;1422914802;asciilifeform;the_scourge: only in python
1003061;1422914803;PeterL;having hardcoded seeds is, in my opnion, a silly way of doing things
1003062;1422914805;trinque;eat and shit are entirely appropriate names there
1003063;1422914807;trinque;lol
1003064;1422914820;the_scourge;btw any chance that the first HLL cpu will support python? i know that's heresy but the library support is better than lispscheme
1003065;1422914838;trinque;the_scourge: how dare you
1003066;1422914845;asciilifeform;PeterL: having hardcoded seeds is, in my opnion, a silly way of doing things << what do you suggest as an alternative? how is the proggy to know what exists anywhere without a hardcoded something or other
1003067;1422914854;felipelalli;now I am cloaked. Thanks trinque for the tip.
1003068;1422914865;trinque;felipelalli: no problem; looks good over here
1003069;1422914868;the_scourge;felipelalli: did you have to prove need?
1003070;1422914882;felipelalli;the_scourge: no.
1003071;1422914894;asciilifeform; the_scourge: if you want to port fortran or cobol to it, who can stop you. if you expect the design to somehow accomodate your perversion - sorry
1003072;1422914922;PeterL;asciilifeform: could you have a separate seed config file?
1003073;1422914923;the_scourge;cool so neither needs based nor merit. simple universal. to thsoe who ask. fn is democracy :)
1003074;1422914950;the_scourge;asciilifeform: you're the one coding in python
1003075;1422914955;asciilifeform; PeterL: separate config is in the works. but i did have the thought that ought to see what ought to go in it first
1003076;1422914968;*;trinque wishes he could watch asciilifeform slap the_scourge in person
1003077;1422914979;mircea_popescu;yeah srsly.
1003078;1422914981;trinque;bow to your sensei!
1003079;1422914982;mircea_popescu;!down the_scourge
1003080;1422914993;asciilifeform; the_scourge: i occasionally use it as a healthier, low-tar substitute for perl
1003081;1422915001;mircea_popescu;giving voice to anyone that asks has its disadvantages.
1003082;1422915161;PeterL;asciilifeform: PeterL: the phoundation's git does not appear to have the hardcoded seeds any longer. when they were thrown out? no idea << did you figure out what they were replaced with?
1003083;1422915274;mircea_popescu;http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/9/97/Metternich-Wappen_Sm.png << an interesting case of central government driven inflation.
1003084;1422915277;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/16nxVdJ )
1003085;1422915299;mircea_popescu;if the king can pay nobles for their service in "heraldics" he will do so. and issue and issue and issue until there's more crowns than the estucheon can hold.
1003086;1422915319;mircea_popescu;escutcheon*
1003087;1422915386;jurov;BingoBoingo: "bezzel economy" -> "bezzle economy"
1003088;1422915405;jurov;i was asking about linking to definition too, but
1003089;1422915419;jurov;;;google bezzle economy
1003090;1422915420;gribble;Bitcoin Falls Victim to Galbraith's “Bezzle” - The New Yorker: <http://www.newyorker.com/news/john-cassidy/bitcoin-falls-victim-to-galbraiths-bezzle>; Agenda: Essential Task of Unwinding the Bezzle - WSJ: <http://www.wsj.com/articles/SB10001424127887324469304578140891938671684>; The Global Bezzle – whence it came, where it went and why it ...: <http://crookedtimber.org/2013/11/21 (1 more message)
1003091;1422915427;asciilifeform; or possibly i was mistaken, https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/blob/7b879d3493e5b51c60522f71657941bd62e29334/contrib/seeds/README.md
1003092;1422915429;assbot;bitcoin/README.md at 7b879d3493e5b51c60522f71657941bd62e29334 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/16nyGDO )
1003093;1422915439;jurov;it shown me trilema immediately after that
1003094;1422915458;asciilifeform; ^ it still has hardcoded seeds
1003095;1422915583;BingoBoingo;jurov: FXD THX
1003096;1422915636;mircea_popescu;crooked timber is a good blog btw
1003097;1422916000;PeterL;How about putting seeds in a separate file (Foundation can host a copy that is updated periodically), and add user settable options for whether to download the updated file on program start and from where?
1003098;1422916029;asciilifeform; separate file << was the plan already
1003099;1422916054;PeterL;and mechanism for updating it?
1003100;1422916072;mircea_popescu;no autodownloads.
1003101;1422916094;asciilifeform; i imagine ben_vulpes et al will post pgp-signed lists of working nodes now and again
1003102;1422916104;PeterL;so manual download
1003103;1422916122;mircea_popescu;sure, that';s the general idea, have all the magic strings in a file somewhere.
1003104;1422916138;asciilifeform; understand that node only needs to find 1 working node on the list, to spin up
1003105;1422916156;mike_c;PeterL: this mechanism already exists.  bitcoin-seeder
1003106;1422916164;mike_c;dns-based
1003107;1422916209;mircea_popescu;http://crookedtimber.org/2013/11/21/the-global-bezzle-whence-it-came-where-it-went-and-why-it-matters-repost-from-2011/
1003108;1422916210;assbot;The Global Bezzle – whence it came, where it went and why it matters (repost from 2011) — Crooked Timber ... ( http://bit.ly/16nCmVW )
1003109;1422916219;asciilifeform; dns-based << i nominated it for death
1003110;1422916222;mircea_popescu;this, in particular, is a good discussion of macroeconomics, something you rarely see in english
1003111;1422916249;mircea_popescu;mike_c a mechanism made by someone not in wot doesn't really exist.
1003112;1422916265;asciilifeform; dns is not only a thin and centralized neck to squeeze, it is controlled almost entirely by usg
1003113;1422916281;mike_c;heh, so people are going to download this file by IP address?
1003114;1422916302;mircea_popescu;ip addresses seems to be the manner to connect via tcp/ip neh ?
1003115;1422916316;mike_c;neh!  i like names.  but i get it.
1003116;1422916322;asciilifeform; so people are going to download this file by IP address << can come straight from the fuhrer's arsehole, so long as it's signed by genuine foundation
1003117;1422916323;mircea_popescu;well do you also like ghosts /
1003118;1422916352;mircea_popescu;i gotta find this quote of myself, not enough self fellatio today.
1003119;1422916409;mircea_popescu;"In general I have found so far that the best results in computer security are achieved not by those who are most competent at securing a system, but by those who are backed by management most inclined to simplify their task. "
1003120;1422916421;mike_c;i'm going to get this node list into my mini-node how?
1003121;1422916506;mike_c;this actually begs the question, how the hell is this thing finding any nodes right now?  brb.  code grep.
1003122;1422916528;mircea_popescu;it's a sad story.
1003123;1422916585;mike_c;unsigned int pnSeed[] =
1003124;1422916585;mike_c;{
1003125;1422916585;mike_c;    0x959bd347, 0xf8de42b2, 0x73bc0518, 0xea6edc50, 0x21b00a4d, 0xc725b43d, 0xd665464d, 0x1a2a770e,
1003126;1422916589;mike_c;oh.
1003127;1422916596;trinque;the language needs to be patched such that wisdom and simplicity are more closely connected
1003128;1422916600;mike_c;hence ascii's list of "only 6 of these are still alive"
1003129;1422916605;mircea_popescu;right
1003130;1422916613;mike_c;well, this is clearly best solution :D
1003131;1422916630;mircea_popescu;also first and biggest.
1003132;1422916737;asciilifeform; and, much as it is intriguing that so many nodes still hang out on irc bitcoin-xx channel, that thing doesn't belong in the RI
1003133;1422916779;asciilifeform; but we can't zap both it and the dns seeder (already submitted zap for the latter) without a fresh list of seeds
1003134;1422916780;PeterL;we plan to rip out irc?
1003135;1422916780;mircea_popescu;on a principal consideration ?
1003136;1422916817;mircea_popescu;irc should probably stay because a) it doesn't actualy do anything atm and b) it will be an easy upgrade to gossipd
1003137;1422916821;asciilifeform; the irc thing is a chokepoint. in my head it counts as 1 hardcoded node, really
1003138;1422916829;mircea_popescu;which will make bitcoin full nodes a much saner thing altogether.
1003139;1422916833;asciilifeform; think about it. isomorphic.
1003140;1422916848;mircea_popescu;and remove a lot of dumbass pressure off the blockchain. ("want to talk to people ? talk through the node process not through the tx process)
1003141;1422916873;asciilifeform; actually, given that most of the hard seeds are dead, the irc mechanism is the primary bootstrap.
1003142;1422916873;mircea_popescu;speaking of which, how's it going artifexd ?
1003143;1422916883;mircea_popescu;and speaking of how's it going yo trinque ! what happened there ?
1003144;1422916907;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform i thought the node's own memory was the primary bootstrap ?
1003145;1422916935;asciilifeform; when 0.5.3 switches on, it looks for some nodes
1003146;1422916959;asciilifeform; mine (with dns seds nixed) ends up finding them on irc.
1003147;1422916966;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11809 @ 0.00038814 = 4.5835 BTC [+]
1003148;1422916983;trinque;mircea_popescu: with deedbot? got hit with a bunch of irl work
1003149;1422916994;asciilifeform; anybody who can sit down between me & the ircd, can feed in arbitrary crap
1003150;1422917002;trinque;however it's nearly done
1003151;1422917011;mircea_popescu;trinque ok, but it was nearly done like a week ago too ?
1003152;1422917018;PeterL;could you add an option to input an ip address for seed? so start it by typing "bitcoin --seed my.fri.ends.ip"
1003153;1422917041;asciilifeform; PeterL: iirc, that's already in there
1003154;1422917049;mike_c;hopefully addnode didn't get nixed
1003155;1422917056;PeterL;oh, ok, nevermind then
1003156;1422917060;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform maybe this seed-from-file mod is more stringently needed than i thought ? mod6 ? ben_vulpes ?
1003157;1422917089;asciilifeform; mircea_popescu: it's a critical moving part (on warmup only, really)
1003158;1422917106;asciilifeform; mircea_popescu: think about it
1003159;1422917114;mircea_popescu;well i haven't run a stock node in years, so.
1003160;1422917122;mircea_popescu;mine just keep dbs of other nodes.
1003161;1422917125;mike_c;it already seeds from file (bitcoin.conf), just need to fill the file.
1003162;1422917125;trinque;mircea_popescu: granted. plenty of fires since then, which are out
1003163;1422917157;mircea_popescu;trinque so what's almost done ? this week ? tomorrow ?
1003164;1422917165;asciilifeform; mike_c: iirc you can only offer one seed in the conf as of 0.5.3 ?
1003165;1422917180;mike_c;ah
1003166;1422917209;mike_c;this is an odd time warp, where my knowledge is not outdated, but actually is too far in the future. it's weird :)
1003167;1422917239;BingoBoingo;!b 1
1003168;1422917239;assbot;Last 1 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/3R9Y3SG.txt )
1003169;1422917239;mircea_popescu;hehehe
1003170;1422917244;mircea_popescu;"you haven't happened yet"
1003171;1422917257;asciilifeform; phoundation's bitcoind does keep a cache of known nodes, it appears. but still uses dns seeds and hardcoded ip list for initial warmup.
1003172;1422917262;mircea_popescu;!give me the cockblocking BingoBoingo trophy!
1003173;1422917282;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform nothing quite like a camel with dolphin skin.
1003174;1422917293;punkman;with -connect=ADDRESS it doesn't use built-in seeds
1003175;1422917299;BingoBoingo;http://dpaste.com/3R9Y3SG.txt << mircea_popescu Still made it through. IRC lag makes you think you win these trophies.
1003176;1422917300;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/16nGK7A )
1003177;1422917326;asciilifeform; -connect=ADDRESS limits you to that node and only it, alive or dead
1003178;1422917327;mircea_popescu;DANGIT
1003179;1422917354;BingoBoingo;-addnode offers multiple potential ips to add
1003180;1422917357;BingoBoingo;to lsit
1003181;1422917358;mircea_popescu;punkman asciilifeform yeah that's more intended for proxy chaining them iirc
1003182;1422917360;punkman;you can do multiple -connect
1003183;1422917364;trinque;mircea_popescu: my evening is free to hack on it; the "keep it running" part got a lot of attention, which may have expanded scope past "a few scripts"
1003184;1422917375;mircea_popescu;kay!
1003185;1422917376;mike_c;asciilifeform:         BOOST_FOREACH(string strAddr, mapMultiArgs["-addnode"])
1003186;1422917389;mike_c;^ seems evidence it takes more than one?
1003187;1422917396;BingoBoingo;punkman: No you get one -connect, -connect is exclusive. -addnode populates address list
1003188;1422917398;asciilifeform; mike_c: that's 0.5.3 ?!
1003189;1422917422;trinque;mircea_popescu: each part of it runs separately, different user, in a different linux container, etc
1003190;1422917423;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: The future.
1003191;1422917466;trinque;if one part shouldn't talk to another, it doesn't
1003192;1422917466;mircea_popescu;trinque don't make it larger than your head.
1003193;1422917530;mircea_popescu;"Show your face.  Those who know what you look like can verify that it's actually you, and not a sockpuppet trolling us all."
1003194;1422917545;mircea_popescu;dude these fucktards. LEARN PGP!!1eleventyfivethousand cocks in your mother's dumb mouth.
1003195;1422917590;punkman;"BOOST_FOREACH(string strAddr, mapMultiArgs["-connect"])"
1003196;1422917599;punkman;not exclusive
1003197;1422917645;asciilifeform; punkman is correct. alert reader award.
1003198;1422917672;punkman;so no need for irc or built-in, just have them in the bitcoin.conf
1003199;1422917710;BingoBoingo;Ah
1003200;1422917719;mike_c;yes, well, still makes plug-n-play nodebox more difficult.
1003201;1422917732;asciilifeform; mike_c: how?
1003202;1422917739;punkman;maybe have a list of dnsseeds with signed node lists baked in the source
1003203;1422917743;mike_c;I guess not.  just step N is download list of nodes.
1003204;1422917807;asciilifeform; so we ship, e.g., the pogos, with titanic list of nodes. some of which we own and operate.
1003205;1422917820;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 57800 @ 0.00038863 = 22.4628 BTC [+] {2} 
1003206;1422917831;ben_vulpes;<mircea_popescu> assbot: Exploiting the Robocaller Gap - Global Guerrillas << speaking of this ben_vulpes, how about a site where people can get bitcoin for reading messages on the screen, then autodial them into say 5k different emergency zones across the us. << sounds great
1003207;1422917922;mircea_popescu;in the words  of one of the numerous us generals remembered for losing a war, "the unknowns that we know about, we name terrorism. the unknowns we don't know about, we predend don't exist. that and the state department is how we spend a trillion for the priviledge of spending another trillion."
1003208;1422917942;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 96100 @ 0.00038935 = 37.4165 BTC [+] {2} 
1003209;1422917948;asciilifeform; ben_vulpes demanding to be gassed by gestapo ahead of schedule, lol
1003210;1422917975;ben_vulpes;http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2015-February/000043.html << oh lol
1003211;1422917976;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1K4XfDL )
1003212;1422917979;ben_vulpes;deserves a post
1003213;1422918017;ben_vulpes;asciilifeform: twould also be interesting to see the same test against the modern codebase
1003214;1422918023;ben_vulpes;i gotta meeting in like...2m
1003215;1422918023;asciilifeform; ben_vulpes: deserves a post << see thread here first
1003216;1422918050;BingoBoingo;MEGA LOL >> https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=941331.msg10339914#msg10339914
1003217;1422918050;assbot;Bitcoin 20MB Fork ... ( http://bit.ly/1K4Xz5k )
1003218;1422918059;BingoBoingo;^ RE: Mr Fenton
1003219;1422918155;mircea_popescu;"Of course many ISPs block out outgoing 8333 by default . Why do you think we see all these threads where people complain that they are getting only 8 incoming connections on their bitcoin QT wallet? Why do we average less than 7k nodes worldwide at any given time?"
1003220;1422918158;mircea_popescu;culprit found.
1003221;1422918188;mircea_popescu;"I've noticed certain repeating characteristic in the writing of many members of this forum: they construct grammatically correct sentences but absolutely disregard the underlying semantics: incoming vs. outgoing, local vs. remote, source vs. destination, etc. Here in regards to TCP/IP ports, but I observed that in regards to pretty much any technical issue."
1003222;1422918194;mircea_popescu;actually 2112 has a very good point.
1003223;1422918243;mircea_popescu;it was highlighted by intel about two weeks ago, and we're generally tracing it to philippines "top quality" content farms working for a number of (mostly ct and wash based) pr firms.
1003224;1422918266;mircea_popescu;wasn't goping to say anything, but since it's public now..
1003225;1422918491;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 42000 @ 0.00038569 = 16.199 BTC [-]
1003226;1422918503;BingoBoingo;https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=941331.msg10340310#msg10340310 << Now it is on the forum
1003227;1422918503;assbot;Bitcoin 20MB Fork ... ( http://bit.ly/1K4Z6Z2 )
1003228;1422918535;BingoBoingo;Well, not THE forum, but a forum
1003229;1422918585;mircea_popescu;in any case, the pogo plugs will be quite welcome. the network's been suffering for a long time,
1003230;1422918590;mircea_popescu;like the ents or something.
1003231;1422918616;BingoBoingo;http://lawfilesext.leg.wa.gov/biennium/2015-16/Pdf/Bills/House%20Bills/1813.pdf
1003232;1422918619;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1K4Zy9G )
1003233;1422918640;asciilifeform; Tech Email:domainadmin@fdvt.com << lol!
1003234;1422918641;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu> like the ents or something. << Where did all of the nodewives go?
1003235;1422918654;mircea_popescu;heh.
1003236;1422918665;BingoBoingo;<asciilifeform>  Tech Email:domainadmin@fdvt.com << lol! << See someone got the Fenton lulz
1003237;1422918684;BingoBoingo;Professional Stoogesultant
1003238;1422918687;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform you know that's just a general support email, and the connection between fenton and fdvt is about the same as between reddit feminist incel and starbucks
1003239;1422918691;mircea_popescu;ie, purely aspirational ?
1003240;1422918743;asciilifeform; why is it in the satoshiroundtable.org 'whois' then ?
1003241;1422918817;asciilifeform; https://whoisology.com/email/archive_8/domainadmin@fdvt.com
1003242;1422918820;assbot;Access Restricted ... ( http://bit.ly/16nNqlZ )
1003243;1422918864;mircea_popescu;myeah...
1003244;1422918886;mircea_popescu;topdollar.commegawealth.commutualfundcenter.com atlanticfinancial.comcapitalgain.com etc.
1003245;1422918896;mircea_popescu;ie, buncha spamsites and whatever.
1003246;1422918907;asciilifeform; this fella clearly read 'spam like a pro in twenty-one hours' !
1003247;1422918917;mircea_popescu;lol fentonfoundation.com
1003248;1422919023;asciilifeform; if he stuffed the 'fvdt' contact in his own domain reg fraudulently, what's it take to get the registration judged & pulled ?
1003249;1422919048;mircea_popescu;why does it have to be fraudulently ?
1003250;1422919053;asciilifeform; theoretically - if registrar won't pull, we can regard the shilling as a proven fact
1003251;1422919060;mircea_popescu;Fleetwood Digital Video Technology Corp is not like... haliburton or something.
1003252;1422919062;asciilifeform; one way or the other
1003253;1422919099;mircea_popescu;it's a smallish business, think in terms of roger ver's used laptops shop
1003254;1422919134;asciilifeform;eh, sure. small business that does no-one-knows-what, for usg only
1003255;1422919151;mircea_popescu;eh get out. i control so many I don't know all of em by name
1003256;1422919177;mircea_popescu;http://www.fdvt.com/gsa-general-services-administration.htm there, filings.
1003257;1422919218;mircea_popescu;basically they're one of the what, 100k or so small tech-ish corps that live off the usg dole.
1003258;1422919241;mircea_popescu;not exactly unconnected, for sure, but never invited to a fundraiser either, unless it's for the state capitol and they couldn't fill the seats.
1003259;1422919272;asciilifeform;i do happen to know something about those. usually they exist as a little flea on the back of a larger flea, sometimes three or four fleas in a circuit
1003260;1422919297;mircea_popescu;"Cabletica, ICE, Kolbi, Claro, Moviestar all need to be called and asked to open this port." << at least the last two are cheap mobile providers in argentina.
1003261;1422919307;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform quite exactly.
1003262;1422919311;mircea_popescu;you get the picture.
1003263;1422919336;asciilifeform;it would be not entirely uninteresting, to learn his host flea.
1003264;1422919353;mircea_popescu;local mass politics from what i've seen so far.
1003265;1422919357;mircea_popescu;until i learn better... shrug.
1003266;1422919393;asciilifeform;also i am unaware of any extant isp outside of iran blocking an -outgoing- port other than 25
1003267;1422919411;mircea_popescu;stop reading that thing you'll give yourself earbleeds.
1003268;1422919506;asciilifeform;on the other hand - every cellular isp in usa (that i've tried) blocks -all- incoming connections
1003269;1422919589;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 110250 @ 0.00036889 = 40.6701 BTC [-] {2} 
1003270;1422919634;asciilifeform;252649.
1003271;1422919825;punkman;https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/commit/ee932025c1a318943a6b101be9fe7a4a2e10648c
1003272;1422919826;assbot;Changed pronouns for correctness and inclusivity ·  ee93202 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1K53vLJ )
1003273;1422919864;asciilifeform;'bikinibabe' ?! trololol.
1003274;1422919896;mircea_popescu;hahaha wut
1003275;1422919932;mircea_popescu;if i find out there's some fucktarded 50something collegiate "professor" setting up the idiot chickies in her class to doing this...
1003276;1422919948;asciilifeform;which one of you jokers is 'bikinibabe'. confess.
1003277;1422919981;mircea_popescu;it's prolly sa actually.
1003278;1422920001;asciilifeform;whoever is doing is - brilliant 'shit test' - will the idiots merge? turns out, yes! they will.
1003279;1422920029;asciilifeform;sa?
1003280;1422920048;PeterL;"inform the master he or she can" << really, it should be "inform the master or mistress he or she can", right?
1003281;1422920094;mircea_popescu;someting awful. this old comedy board that for a while was the core of radical libertardism in the us.
1003282;1422920137;asciilifeform;obligatory: http://www.cs.virginia.edu/~evans/cs655/readings/purity.html << by doug hofstadter! yes, him
1003283;1422920139;assbot;Douglas Hofstadter - Person Paper on Purity in Language ... ( http://bit.ly/1K54yv3 )
1003284;1422920163;asciilifeform;he actually caught a good bit of shit for this number
1003285;1422920172;PeterL;actually, they should remove all references to "master", because it makes us thing about slavery, so bad, mkay?
1003286;1422920210;asciilifeform;PeterL: that was one of the first engineering terms to get liberast attention, actually
1003287;1422920222;mircea_popescu;i dunno who him is.
1003288;1422920277;mircea_popescu;anyway, it'll be hard to do away with master seeing how that's what i am. best do away with husband, replace with cuckold ?
1003289;1422920305;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: doug h is sui generis. can't really place him in a genre. he wrote a number of tomes for folks who like mathematics (in particular, logic and theory of computation), languages, translation. he is also a fairly good translator of ru->eng, even rhyme-preserving pushkin. blew my mind.
1003290;1422920323;mircea_popescu;my inculture is vast.
1003291;1422920378;asciilifeform;dh is best known as an american/eng author, but iirc his native lang is fr. on account of peculiar upbringing. and he knows plenty of others.
1003292;1422920473;pete_dushenski;mircea_popescu thanks for the notes on that last article
1003293;1422920485;asciilifeform;http://www.physixfan.com/wp-content/files/GEBen.pdf << l33t w4r3z, hofstadter's best known work.
1003294;1422920490;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1K55I9S )
1003295;1422920497;mircea_popescu;which one ?!
1003296;1422920540;pete_dushenski;jooz and stereotypes: i cleaned up the log quotes and took another hack at the romanian
1003297;1422920559;asciilifeform;GEB is really a book for intelligent children, or perhaps for adults who are n00bs to the whole thinking business. it's a fun, not serious, sort of book.
1003298;1422920579;mircea_popescu;ah ah
1003299;1422920590;mircea_popescu;link me again ?
1003300;1422920601;asciilifeform;in print nonstop since '79, iirc.
1003301;1422920640;mircea_popescu;pete i meant.
1003302;1422920653;pete_dushenski;http://www.contravex.com/2015/02/01/jooz-and-stereotypes/
1003303;1422920655;assbot;Jooz and stereotypes. | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski ... ( http://bit.ly/1K56l3c )
1003304;1422920749;pete_dushenski;and for the german-speakers, this article just sent me a trackback: http://bitcoinblog.de/2015/02/02/der-kommende-blockchain-burgerkrieg/
1003305;1422920750;assbot;Der kommende Blockchain-Bürgerkrieg | BitcoinBlog.de - das Blog für Bitcoin und andere virtuelle Währungen ... ( http://bit.ly/1K56FPp )
1003306;1422920844;pete_dushenski;the article has a poll at the bottom
1003307;1422920871;pete_dushenski;lulzy 13-5 results thus far in favour of block size, including my vote for nein!
1003308;1422920892;pete_dushenski;*in favour of increasing block size
1003309;1422921024;mircea_popescu;yeah, website polls is how moot ended up time man of the century
1003310;1422921090;mircea_popescu;lol "Zum einen ist da Davout aus Frankreich"
1003311;1422921105;mircea_popescu;hey davout check it out, germanz think teh frenchies are einen.
1003312;1422921138;pete_dushenski;lol
1003313;1422921198;pete_dushenski;asciilifeform that hofstadter fellow has a decent little sense of humour
1003314;1422921222;pete_dushenski;It's quite obvious, for instance, that the chairwhite of the League of Black Voters is going to be a black, not a white. Nobody need think twice about it
1003315;1422921234;pete_dushenski;lol chairwhite...
1003316;1422921306;mircea_popescu;lol
1003317;1422921504;scoopbot;New post on Qntra.net by cazalla: http://qntra.net/2015/02/love-will-inc-pheeva-wallet-win-2015-olin-cup/
1003318;1422921593;*;pete_dushenski shakes fist at scoopbot
1003319;1422921593;mircea_popescu;pete_dushenski it still sucks :D
1003320;1422921616;pete_dushenski;mircea_popescu then a dayjob keeper is me!
1003321;1422921630;mircea_popescu;lemme tell you a joke.
1003322;1422921640;pete_dushenski;k
1003323;1422921647;mircea_popescu;if you ever meet a hungarian speaking foreign languages you just met a jew.
1003324;1422921670;jurov;lol
1003325;1422921674;mircea_popescu;hehehe.
1003326;1422921704;pete_dushenski;haha!
1003327;1422921766;pete_dushenski;i wonder what other peoples/nationalities this heuristic might apply to...
1003328;1422921776;pete_dushenski;heuristic/funny
1003329;1422921781;mircea_popescu;funnyristic.
1003330;1422921840;pete_dushenski;aka stereotype ;/
1003331;1422921989;BingoBoingo;;;bc,stats
1003332;1422921993;gribble;Current Blocks: 341706 | Current Difficulty: 4.127287389469702E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 342719 | Next Difficulty In: 1013 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 6 days, 7 hours, 57 minutes, and 0 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 45251697037.7 | Estimated Percent Change: 9.64029
1003333;1422922149;scoopbot;New post on Trilema by Mircea Popescu: http://trilema.com/2015/bitbet-sbbet-january-2015-statement/
1003334;1422922394;pete_dushenski;mircea_popescu thanks for the translations :D
1003335;1422922404;mircea_popescu;yw
1003336;1422922788;jurov;btw, are the pogosticks supposed to accept outside connections? if they're plugged into home routers then we need upnp then
1003337;1422922818;jurov;and it was the first thing excised... it will ran as standalone daemon, i guess
1003338;1422922821;jurov;*run
1003339;1422922847;jurov;the upnpnp deamon, i mean
1003340;1422923069;mircea_popescu;i doubt someone who has the werewithal to get the pogo going needs me to unpnp him
1003341;1422923304;mats;;;ticker
1003342;1422923305;gribble;Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 237.8, Best ask: 238.94, Bid-ask spread: 1.14000, Last trade: 237.79, 24 hour volume: 15989.25963627, 24 hour low: 221.79, 24 hour high: 241.98, 24 hour vwap: 229.507388939
1003343;1422923563;mircea_popescu;!up kobud
1003344;1422923626;pete_dushenski;I think that in the old days where the financial system was not too developed, the only way to develop a new idea was to be born rich, to have resources and use them. Today and increasingly so to the extent the financial system works well, you can start a company, apply an idea, or even run large companies even if you are not born rich and don't have a lot of money.
1003345;1422923642;pete_dushenski;^today apparently = neobee
1003346;1422923646;trinque;lol
1003347;1422923651;pete_dushenski;and this is a good thing!
1003348;1422923737;trinque;today as back then, you can bootstrap yourself so long as you're prepared to lay brick by hand for a half decade
1003349;1422923805;pete_dushenski;unless the vc fairy sprinkles some dust on you while you're sleeping
1003350;1422923815;pete_dushenski;then it really only takes a few minutes
1003351;1422923822;thestringpuller;trinque hah; you are going to treat your robots like people?
1003352;1422923836;mircea_popescu;it can work, sure.
1003353;1422923841;pete_dushenski;and 11 year olds can give ted talks on how to fix the world
1003354;1422923851;mircea_popescu;similarly, in the old days when you were born a maid, you were going to be a maid even if you were really pretty.
1003355;1422923858;mircea_popescu;now you can also be a pop singer.
1003356;1422923858;trinque;pete_dushenski: the vc fairy wanted 67% of my business
1003357;1422923860;trinque;I told him to fuck off
1003358;1422923884;pete_dushenski;lol
1003359;1422923913;pete_dushenski;that's an aggressive ask eh
1003360;1422923984;mats;heh
1003361;1422923996;mircea_popescu;it's not common to allow founders control in the financed vehicle, principally because founders usually fuck it up.
1003362;1422924005;mircea_popescu;cases like spolski's are the exception.
1003363;1422924029;mats;unconfirmed report of someone trying to root an ubuntu luser idli g herr
1003364;1422924042;mats;agh, mobile. idling here.
1003365;1422924092;mircea_popescu;how did it go ?
1003366;1422924152;mats;guy went to sleep before i got more details, im going to put up a vulnerable box later and see what happens
1003367;1422924213;mats;get a cloak, people
1003368;1422924364;trinque;heh I wonder how many servers just got ssh'd into
1003369;1422924485;danielpbarron;https://twitter.com/kyuupichan/status/562411554583244801
1003370;1422924487;assbot;Haha.  "Please use the shared hairdryers only for the hair on your head. Thank you for your cooperation." http://t.co/49FIEB4iKo
1003371;1422924514;mircea_popescu;trinque  some ubuntu vuln reported or something ?
1003372;1422924546;trinque;not to my knowledge
1003373;1422924564;trinque;I tend to assume things like znc are riddled with holes
1003374;1422924578;trinque;could be something along those lines
1003375;1422924606;mircea_popescu;"The turn of the cultural left to Twitter is a reflection of its weakness on university campuses, not its strength. Today�s intra-left fights over cultural identity are not the birth pangs of a dangerous new radical left elite of cultural enforcers. They�re the product of anger and economic powerlessness, the unanticipated result of the hollowing out of humanities on university campuses, and the parlous state of in
1003376;1422924607;mircea_popescu;tellectual journalism. "
1003377;1422924608;mircea_popescu;ha!
1003378;1422924653;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 5000 @ 0.00096956 = 4.8478 BTC [+] {5} 
1003379;1422924656;mircea_popescu;i tell you, within twenty years if that as much as having been interested in the left will be a hanging offense.
1003380;1422924696;mircea_popescu;"This is in turn leading to an (unsustainable) proliferation of cultural commentary, some of it unreadable, but much of it sharp and interesting. Much of this commentary is understandably driven by spleen. Impoverished freelancers and adjunct intellectuals, scraping out a living from commuter teaching and dead end jobs, are angry when they look at the comfortable positions that a previous generation of humanities intel
1003381;1422924696;mircea_popescu;lectuals had, and that they never will. They won�t ever have good jobs. They do have Twitter. But that�s nearly all that they do have or are likely to have any time soon."
1003382;1422924737;mircea_popescu;that's quite right : nobody ovulating today will get as far as sara mccune.
1003383;1422924834;mircea_popescu;even Leah McGrath Goodman's poverty will be relatively a high mark.
1003384;1422925068;mats;http://nvd.nist.gov/nvd.cfm?cvename=CVE-2012-3411
1003385;1422925157;trinque;mats: this was the guy's issue?
1003386;1422925176;mats;yeah
1003387;1422925181;mircea_popescu;just a dos ?
1003388;1422925190;trinque;way different than "rooted"
1003389;1422925192;mats;looks p benign
1003390;1422925198;asciilifeform;jurov: if they're plugged into home routers then we need upnp then << why????!? every home router ever made, even utter garbage, lets user open ports the normal way
1003391;1422925205;asciilifeform;fuck upnp.
1003392;1422925206;mircea_popescu;esp since... well... so dnsmasq will get killed by kernel
1003393;1422925222;BingoBoingo;systemLulz https://twitter.com/lusis/status/562288488952107008/photo/1
1003394;1422925225;assbot;man I'm glad the systemd devs all have SSDs. http://t.co/92rGdSitBF
1003395;1422925227;asciilifeform;not just for what it is, but for how it's implemented. (metric shit-ton of xml garbage, book-length standards doc)
1003396;1422925239;mats;i need coffee
1003397;1422925244;mircea_popescu;is dnsmasq even standard in ubuntu ?!
1003398;1422925246;jurov;i have never seen anyone except myself opening ports the normal way
1003399;1422925255;trinque;mircea_popescu: it's part of the awful libvirt wad
1003400;1422925270;mircea_popescu;jurov that may be a function of social circle!
1003401;1422925311;trinque;handles IPs and whatnot on the virtual networks
1003402;1422925312;asciilifeform;pete_dushenski: the only way to develop a new idea was to be born rich << or... take it. chingis khan style.
1003403;1422925312;jurov;i won't contend that
1003404;1422925325;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform in retrospect, the efforts of those shitgremlins to shoehorn xml into things are so lulzy.
1003405;1422925337;mircea_popescu;it's dead anyway, but hey, well done guise, at least you went blind on code.
1003406;1422925355;asciilifeform;root an ubuntu luser idli g herr << lol, time for honeypots
1003407;1422925363;jurov;jus' saying i don't have anyone to give pogostick to.
1003408;1422925374;mircea_popescu;the reports of mark twain's rooting seem grossly exaggerated.
1003409;1422925383;jurov;people who know how to open ports either do have a node or can't be arsed to even for free
1003410;1422925395;mircea_popescu;jurov you can just drop one in local library.
1003411;1422925400;mircea_popescu;they will... never figure it out.
1003412;1422925410;mircea_popescu;considering what it costs...
1003413;1422925451;mircea_popescu;lol i have spinning disks.
1003414;1422925456;mircea_popescu;for one thing, much easier to destroy.
1003415;1422925502;*;asciilifeform also runs spinning disks
1003416;1422925552;asciilifeform;i don't know any serious computer user who does not have a multitude of spinning disks at all times.
1003417;1422925555;mircea_popescu;but then again it works out : we're not systemd devs.
1003418;1422925559;jurov;if i do, then i'll add upnp anyway. just fyi.
1003419;1422925573;asciilifeform;jurov: you know, upnp can run as a separate daemon
1003420;1422925580;mircea_popescu;jurov not a crime. but you could also just 192.0.0.1 and typeadmin admin
1003421;1422925582;asciilifeform;jurov: absolutely no reason to build it into bitcoind, ever
1003422;1422925594;jurov;yes, as a separate daemon
1003423;1422925599;asciilifeform;even if you absolutely need it somewhere (e.g., bitcoind as malware payload)
1003424;1422925675;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform it occurs that at 4mb, nodes can be run as virii by now without problems
1003425;1422925683;asciilifeform;4mb on arm
1003426;1422925687;mircea_popescu;especially since usgavin has made space double and bandwidth expand
1003427;1422925689;asciilifeform;~1.2 compressed
1003428;1422925693;mircea_popescu;yes.
1003429;1422925701;asciilifeform;the blockchain is the bulk of the footprint, quite obviously
1003430;1422925719;mod6;http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2015-February/000043.html << asciilifeform, thanks for this.  this goes along with some of the trouble we've been seeing over the last 72 hours.
1003431;1422925719;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1AlKumo )
1003432;1422925720;asciilifeform;the proggy itself has never been large in comparison
1003433;1422925734;asciilifeform;mod6: trouble << do tell
1003434;1422925754;mod6;in a wide variety of ways, and it's not consistant, we've been having issues getting past the last checkpoint block (more often than not): 168,000
1003435;1422925765;mod6;one sec, i have a matrix for what we've tried.
1003436;1422925773;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform afaik windows doens't mind secret partitions.
1003437;1422925802;mod6;we're still testing this out... but i/we haven't encoutered anything like this until just this past 72 hours:
1003438;1422925805;mod6;http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=0Mdd9zrL
1003439;1422925806;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1AlKIdk )
1003440;1422925890;mod6;we're interested to see if anyone running: v0.5.3 + patches {1, rm_rf_upnp, 2, 3, 4, & 6 (db_config) } runs into the same issues.
1003441;1422925924;mod6;also, v0.5.3. + patches {1, rm_rf_upnp, 2, 3, 4, 6 & 7} (which includes the version update)
1003442;1422925981;mircea_popescu;A Person Paper on Purity in Language << i don't grok wtf this is supposed to be.
1003443;1422925993;mod6;we also note that if you do remove checkpoints, obv, this is no longer a problem.
1003444;1422926107;mod6;but, its weird, because a week ago i ran a full sync of: v0.5.3 + {1, rm_rf_upnp, 2, 3, 4, 6} and sync'd just fine, as you can see in the matrix notes (was able to send/receive here: http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=FSA9gxs8)
1003445;1422926109;assbot;Pastebin.com Unknown Paste ID ... ( http://bit.ly/1AlM47Z )
1003446;1422926155;mod6;and TomServo was able to run with the following config and just achieved full sync: v0.5.3 + {1, rm_rf_upnp, 2, 3, 4, 6, 7}
1003447;1422926179;PeterL;what do the checkpoints do?
1003448;1422926196;mod6;so, like we were saying, its not consistant.  and perhaps we need to point directly at v0.5.3 nodes... not sure.
1003449;1422926232;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: i don't grok wtf this is supposed to be << was written when the whole 'pronoun warrior' thing was brand new
1003450;1422926244;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: it is (i thought this was very obvious) a spoof on subject
1003451;1422926255;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform no but looky : "Perhaps this piece shocks you. It is meant to. The entire point of it is to use something that we find shocking as leverage to illustrate the fact that something that we usually close our eyes to is also very shocking. The most effective way I know to do so is to develop an extended analogy with something known as shocking and reprehensible. Racism is that thing, in this case. I am happy w
1003452;1422926255;mircea_popescu;ith this piece, despite-but also because of-its shock value. I think it makes its point better than any factual article could. As a friend of mine said, "It makes you so uncomfortable that you can't ignore it." I admit that rereading it makes even me, the author, uncomfortable! Numerous friends have warned me that in publishing this piece I am taking a serious risk of earning myself a reputation as a terrible racist. I
1003453;1422926255;mircea_popescu; guess I cannot truly believe that anyone would see this piece that way. To misperceive it this way would be like calling someone a vicious racist for telling other people "The word 'nigger' is extremely offensive." If allusions to racism, especially for the purpose of satirizing racism and its cousins, are confused with racism itself, then I think it is time to stop writing."
1003454;1422926260;mircea_popescu;a) it does not shock me.
1003455;1422926265;mircea_popescu;b) it is simply very bad writing.
1003456;1422926276;mircea_popescu;there's nothing of depth in there, it;s just the usual libertard tedium.
1003457;1422926287;mircea_popescu;and yes, women and men are structurally different, and will never be the same.
1003458;1422926299;mircea_popescu;not in the way white men and black men are superficially different
1003459;1422926306;mircea_popescu;but quite in the way your pony is not your dog.
1003460;1422926326;mod6;PeterL: well, one thing they do, is prevent spam from bogus blocks from old timestamps: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/blob/v0.5.3/src/main.cpp#L1442
1003461;1422926328;assbot;bitcoin/main.cpp at v0.5.3 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1CoQMyA )
1003462;1422926328;asciilifeform;mr h was trying, as a young academic in usa, to troll liberasts without being stoned to death immediately
1003463;1422926357;mircea_popescu;he seems to be proposing the notion that saying she when i mean a cuntbearer is about as bad as inventing a special ble pronoun to denote a guy's color
1003464;1422926358;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: and it reads as the usual tedium because it -was- same, with words swapped
1003465;1422926365;mircea_popescu;well here's the thing : i don't happen to give a shit about the guy's color
1003466;1422926376;mircea_popescu;but i'm not particularly interested to discuss anyone outside of their gender.
1003467;1422926393;asciilifeform;at any rate it was a mega-troll in gringolandia
1003468;1422926398;mircea_popescu;which is why english, latin and every other language has a gender pronoun and declension.
1003469;1422926406;asciilifeform;if does not work outside - unsurprising
1003470;1422926410;mircea_popescu;i guess anything can be a mega troll there.
1003471;1422926422;asciilifeform;'seinfeld effect' case.
1003472;1422926453;mircea_popescu;such a dumb premise tho. "i will write very bad prose, which will prove to you that sensible is shocking!!!1"
1003473;1422926457;asciilifeform;cuntbearer << can't help but imagine this as something like a cupbearer
1003474;1422926465;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform kinda what's meant.
1003475;1422926560;mircea_popescu;and somehow this gets conflated with marital status ? who the hell cares if the woman's "married" whatever that even means.
1003476;1422926567;asciilifeform;mod6: not once have i seen the wedge at 168000
1003477;1422926574;asciilifeform;with any of our 0.5.3 derivatives
1003478;1422926598;*;mircea_popescu apologizes for all the spam in the more important discussion.
1003479;1422926599;asciilifeform;the 'bastard' variant will wedge, however, for up to an hour (in my experiments)
1003480;1422926610;asciilifeform;when it encounters a shit-feeder
1003481;1422926612;mircea_popescu;mod6 i didn't see a 168000 exactly freeze either, ever
1003482;1422926642;mod6;<+asciilifeform> mod6: not once have i seen the wedge at 168000 << us either, until 72 hours ago
1003483;1422926653;asciilifeform;why no more than hour, i do not know - either good fortune, or their connection flakes out (see former), or ?
1003484;1422926670;mod6;hmm.
1003485;1422926707;asciilifeform;mod6: also note that the hardcoded seeds do not come into play unless irc fails
1003486;1422926718;asciilifeform;(presently irc is there and enabled)
1003487;1422926720;mod6;yeah, gotcha.
1003488;1422926723;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform if memory serves there'sa cutoff that severs unproductive connections after an hour.
1003489;1422926756;asciilifeform;that'd be it then
1003490;1422926818;asciilifeform;mod6: post your debug.log
1003491;1422926822;asciilifeform;mod6: for the wedge
1003492;1422926878;mod6;so if anyone else sees any wedging on a checkpoint block like the following, let me know right away, pm me if required: http://dpaste.com/1N3NPT9
1003493;1422926879;assbot;dpaste: 1N3NPT9 ... ( http://bit.ly/1AlPffR )
1003494;1422926905;mod6;asciilifeform: there is a snippit in the matrix one. not sure if I have a full one still.
1003495;1422926923;mod6;i probably do, but I'm making a fresh sync now.
1003496;1422926930;asciilifeform;aha found it
1003497;1422926936;mod6;will have a fresh one in an hour or two
1003498;1422926967;*;asciilifeform recites kakobrekla's sacramental 'did somebody molest the britneychain'
1003499;1422927008;mod6;i was getting pretty paranoid at first.
1003500;1422927024;mod6;had a tinfoil hat on and everything heheh
1003501;1422927032;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 41350 @ 0.00037014 = 15.3053 BTC [+]
1003502;1422927109;mod6;got 100k blocks to go until i probably re-wedge @ 168k
1003503;1422927155;mod6;one time i got wedged at like 27,5XX !?
1003504;1422927166;mod6;this was on Saturday night.
1003505;1422927189;mod6;but then i applied the rm_checkpoints patch and then it continued on np.
1003506;1422927212;asciilifeform;mod6: make a copy of .bitcoin shortly prior to wedge
1003507;1422927227;mod6;ok will do.
1003508;1422927335;mod6;We wanted to collect as much data as possible before we let other know in #b-a.  Hence the delay until now.
1003509;1422927375;mod6;I wasn't fully sure that it wasn't our build script or something wonky screwing it up... but a hand-build showed the same result.
1003510;1422927379;asciilifeform;not proclaiming a molested britneychain as proven fact yet, but if it had been, it would look rather much like this.
1003511;1422927438;mod6;i've got mutiple good v0.5.3 chains saved, but ... just was regression testing to ensure full sync with the v0.5.3.1 patch before release sign & cut
1003512;1422927466;mod6;lo and behold..
1003513;1422927491;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform nah, i keep old nodes and old chains.
1003514;1422927504;mircea_popescu;it must be some sort of local issue.
1003515;1422927514;asciilifeform;mod6: this'd be why i objected to zapping the checkpoints thing wholesale. now, programmable checkpoints - by all means.
1003516;1422927521;asciilifeform;config file - where they belong.
1003517;1422927532;asciilifeform;just say no to hardcoded magic numb3rz.
1003518;1422927546;mircea_popescu;code is not for data. data is not for code.
1003519;1422927553;mod6;yeah. that's the new plan. all magic numbers in a config file.
1003520;1422927563;mircea_popescu;mod6 wasn;t it the old plan ?!
1003521;1422927565;mod6;or, at least, we'll start with that.
1003522;1422927587;mod6;yeah, well, still is the plan i should say :)
1003523;1422927594;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: guess who also keeps vintage blockchain around
1003524;1422927603;asciilifeform;and i doubt it's just 2 of us
1003525;1422927624;mircea_popescu;i don't just "keep it around', it's what i actually use.
1003526;1422927625;asciilifeform;all molestation of britneychain is necessarily localized phenomenon
1003527;1422927635;*;asciilifeform uses, when uses anything at all
1003528;1422927649;mircea_popescu;and yeah pretty sure we're not the onlyones. not by a longmargin.
1003529;1422927651;*;asciilifeform keeps a number of editions going
1003530;1422927699;mod6;hmm, but yeah, really /was/ weird that it was inconsistant.
1003531;1422927714;mod6;i.e. TomServo having total success, and ben & I having weding problems.
1003532;1422927729;mod6;and we were using same build scripts .. and me building by hand even once.
1003533;1422927729;*;asciilifeform uses bitcoin as a scientific toy, curio, but if he had been firing it in anger for years as mircea_popescu had, would have finished own implementation eons ago
1003534;1422927748;mircea_popescu;btw, since you were asking ( a while ago) : found the oldest src set, monday may 21st 2012
1003535;1422927751;mircea_popescu;you still want it ?
1003536;1422927755;asciilifeform;yes!
1003537;1422927756;asciilifeform;sign, post
1003538;1422927767;asciilifeform;to jurov's turdatron, say
1003539;1422927771;asciilifeform;as big fat gz
1003540;1422927795;mircea_popescu;not big at all, 4 mb ish
1003541;1422927804;asciilifeform;bombs away.
1003542;1422927842;danielpbarron;height=176772 << no wedge here
1003543;1422927865;mod6;what's your build?
1003544;1422927874;asciilifeform;i'd love to know what blocks are in the molestation set.
1003545;1422927880;danielpbarron;mod6, the one asciilifeform compiled
1003546;1422927881;mod6;is it the portotronic?
1003547;1422927884;danielpbarron;yeah
1003548;1422927887;danielpbarron;the bastard one
1003549;1422927887;mod6;yeah, totally different beast
1003550;1422927897;asciilifeform;is some joker trying to euchre in on satoshi's goodies.
1003551;1422927914;asciilifeform;one diddled node at a time.
1003552;1422927939;mod6;but danielpbarron: good to know tho. thx.
1003553;1422927978;mod6;we must get this patched RI repeatable (and it was before a few days ago) before we can cut release.
1003554;1422928029;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform so how doers this work, email to address, gz in attachment, clearsigned text as email body ?
1003555;1422928041;asciilifeform;aha
1003556;1422928053;asciilifeform;as described in http://therealbitcoin.org/mailman/listinfo/btc-dev
1003557;1422928054;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1DyUhn4 )
1003558;1422928071;asciilifeform;attach foo.gz and foo.gz.sig
1003559;1422928074;asciilifeform;for all foos
1003560;1422928090;asciilifeform;body of msg is a cleartext signed pgpgram
1003561;1422928107;asciilifeform;that's it (unless jurov has some other weird constraint in there we haven't yet discovered)
1003562;1422928139;asciilifeform;(x.y.sig is an ascii-armoured detached sig of the usual variety)
1003563;1422928309;asciilifeform;mod6, danielpbarron: in case this wasn't clear, my armv5 build still has the checkpoints (other than orphanage burner, only the basic patches are in)
1003564;1422928331;asciilifeform;this is kinda why i was reluctant to distribute binaries - i want everyone to know precisely what they're eating
1003565;1422928342;asciilifeform;and this is quite impossible with binaries
1003566;1422928357;asciilifeform;(it's hard enough with src)
1003567;1422928360;mod6;yeah, i wanna re-iterate here, all of the wedging issues ben and I had were /with/ checkpoints included.  if we apply the rm_checkpoints patch, no longer a problem.
1003568;1422928367;asciilifeform;aha
1003569;1422928370;punkman;just sent a patch to the list, wonder if it'll go through
1003570;1422928374;danielpbarron;i'm just running that one while i figure the compile out
1003571;1422928386;danielpbarron;i have 2 more units to try other things on
1003572;1422928397;mod6;130k...will stop @ 150 and backup .bitcoin/*
1003573;1422928397;asciilifeform;punkman: looks like not
1003574;1422928419;asciilifeform;punkman: generally works within a few sec. when works
1003575;1422928426;scoopbot;New post on Qntra.net by cazalla: http://qntra.net/2015/02/mtgox-parent-company-tibanne-enters-bankruptcy/
1003576;1422928460;mircea_popescu;http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2015-February/000043.html << pretty sad.
1003577;1422928461;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1DyVf2L )
1003578;1422928468;mod6;well, but also, i like i was saying, it's inconsistant. because TomServo has checkpoints included and he got through the gauntlet, and I did as well lastweek before the version patch.
1003579;1422928469;mircea_popescu;anyway, it's sent, jurov let me know what i fucked up
1003580;1422928485;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: lol, yours eaten too
1003581;1422928537;mircea_popescu;i probably didn't do it right.
1003582;1422928629;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: i posted that earlier today. observe: if the hardseed list were actually used with any frequency, we would have noticed the scarcity of still-usable seeds therein ages ago
1003583;1422928661;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: as it is, it's a fallback after dns (snipped in patch i proposed last night) and irc mechanizms.
1003584;1422928669;mircea_popescu;except... i kept saying it and saying it since ages ago ?
1003585;1422928682;asciilifeform;i assume mircea_popescu did similar experimet.
1003586;1422928683;asciilifeform;nt
1003587;1422928701;mircea_popescu;always handwaved away by teh power rangers, but hey, you don't end up at the bottom of my shitlist by being responsive and responsible.
1003588;1422928720;asciilifeform;i'm a bit curious how their seed blob is generated
1003589;1422928746;scoopbot;New post on Qntra.net by Bingo Boingo: http://qntra.net/2015/02/no-such-labs-teases-future-developments/
1003590;1422928747;mircea_popescu;all the people who act all shocked when gavin & co can't get enough credit to write a hello world in basic fail to recognize about two years of history trying to gently nudge, then educate, then eventually beat the idiots into some sort of shape
1003591;1422928749;asciilifeform;one interesting way would be, resources permitting, a massive ipv4 post scan for 8333...
1003592;1422928762;asciilifeform;*port
1003593;1422928763;asciilifeform;scan
1003594;1422928780;mircea_popescu;what resources do you need ?
1003595;1422928782;punkman;https://www.shodan.io/search?query=port%3A8333
1003596;1422928784;assbot;Shodan ... ( http://bit.ly/1DyW9vY )
1003597;1422928786;mike_c;probably just culled from bitcoin-seeder, no?
1003598;1422928788;punkman;fiddy bucks for shoddan
1003599;1422928790;mircea_popescu;there's only 4bn ips
1003600;1422928794;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo dear glub man
1003601;1422928807;asciilifeform;teases, lol
1003602;1422928823;BingoBoingo;So many teases
1003603;1422928852;mircea_popescu;punkman you got an account ?
1003604;1422928866;BingoBoingo;;;ud glub
1003605;1422928866;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: you actually want to see this done, and have not yet done it?
1003606;1422928866;gribble;http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Glub&defid=4862930 | Tipping a narrow necked bottle of olive oil upside down in an attempt to pour a greater quantity which results in a "glub" sound as air fills the bottle replacing the  ...
1003607;1422928868;*;asciilifeform surprised
1003608;1422928876;asciilifeform;ud is wrong
1003609;1422928879;asciilifeform;that's 'glug'
1003610;1422928882;asciilifeform;ask any chemist!
1003611;1422928884;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform can i get some public/private separation here!
1003612;1422928888;asciilifeform;lul
1003613;1422928893;punkman;mircea_popescu: no
1003614;1422928906;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: it needs roughly same resources as a good spamatron
1003615;1422928935;mircea_popescu;it doesn't really need as much.
1003616;1422928965;decimation;so are there actually isps that filter port 8333 or was that just made up bullshit?
1003617;1422928986;mircea_popescu;made up bs.
1003618;1422929004;asciilifeform;decimation: i can't speak for the whole planet, but nothing i've used in usa filters incoming except in the sense of -all- incoming being denied by wireless providers
1003619;1422929016;mircea_popescu;i mean, obviously, an idiot will exist for whatever idiocy. pretending that "transsexuals are hot now" is just trannie wet dreamin'.
1003620;1422929025;asciilifeform;outgoing - port 25 typically dropped where i live
1003621;1422929029;asciilifeform;on account of winblows/spam
1003622;1422929058;asciilifeform;actually i must revise above. winblows 445 incoming is often zapped
1003623;1422929061;asciilifeform;on account of idiots/smb
1003624;1422929073;decimation;re: hedge funds & banks manipulating pr << one wonders if they are trying to jawbone bitcoin down in order to buy in, or kill?
1003625;1422929107;asciilifeform;https://github.com/robertdavidgraham/masscan
1003626;1422929108;assbot;robertdavidgraham/masscan · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1DyX2EU )
1003627;1422929118;mircea_popescu;decimation the two aren't really distinct.
1003628;1422929119;decimation;asciilifeform: yeah port 445 is amusing.  I remember years ago when you could 'hack' by clicking 'show network neighborhood' on winblows
1003629;1422929137;asciilifeform;decimation: esp. fun on defective WANs like cablemodem
1003630;1422929165;decimation;I wonder if anyone has attempted to hack around with docsis at the physical layer
1003631;1422929176;asciilifeform;decimation: answer's yes
1003632;1422929199;asciilifeform;decimation: i'm aware of work re: 'uncapping' (cheat for bandwidth augment) but also proper pwnage of modems
1003633;1422929215;asciilifeform;i can't say that i've kept up with the work on the subject
1003634;1422929219;decimation;supposedly traffic on the wire is encrypted
1003635;1422929226;decimation;but I don't know if the spec is open
1003636;1422929260;asciilifeform;decimation: i haven't a clue, but generally a mass-produced gadget in usa -never- used proper public key crypto
1003637;1422929267;decimation;ah is open http://www.cablelabs.com/specs/specification-search/?cat=docsis&scat=docsis-3-1
1003638;1422929269;assbot;CableLabs » Search Specifications Library ... ( http://bit.ly/1DyXpPL )
1003639;1422929285;asciilifeform;if uses civilized rsa at all, it is with ludicrously shrunken key lengths
1003640;1422929467;decimation;apparently docsis 3.1 uses 2048-bit rsa for the device, 4096 for the root ca
1003641;1422929479;mircea_popescu;that is not bad ?
1003642;1422929484;asciilifeform;aha so ssl-style sc4m
1003643;1422929506;asciilifeform;decimation: i can't be arsed to wade through spec, but didja find who generates key?
1003644;1422929520;asciilifeform;i.e. is it baked in at factory
1003645;1422929526;asciilifeform;or crapped out on powerup
1003646;1422929526;decimation;device key?
1003647;1422929529;asciilifeform;aha
1003648;1422929567;asciilifeform;and, what gets used as the block cipher ?
1003649;1422929571;asciilifeform;(aes? what length)
1003650;1422929593;asciilifeform;!up Vexual
1003651;1422929594;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 106657 @ 0.00038332 = 40.8838 BTC [+] {2} 
1003652;1422929655;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 99203 @ 0.00039021 = 38.71 BTC [+]
1003653;1422929866;asciilifeform;punkman: i specifically did not mean 'use publicly available site which may or may not actually scan in the way printed on the box, and may or may not censor or otherwise diddle shown results'
1003654;1422929891;asciilifeform;fiddybucks or otherwise
1003655;1422929952;asciilifeform;and once scanned, the logical next step is to query versions
1003656;1422929960;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 185750 @ 0.00036981 = 68.6922 BTC [-] {3} 
1003657;1422929984;asciilifeform;and, if gargantuan pipes can be had, to query addr lists and then graph wizardry
1003658;1422930007;asciilifeform;(e.g. find clusters, cliques, esp. ones with peculiar behaviour)
1003659;1422930035;asciilifeform;for a less-than-gargantuan pipe, this scales down in the obvious statistical way.
1003660;1422930073;mircea_popescu;aws is cheap enough.
1003661;1422930077;asciilifeform;iirc, the latest phoundation edition is able to use ipv6
1003662;1422930083;asciilifeform;but probably safe to ignore these
1003663;1422930114;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: not sure if aws will even put out raw packets
1003664;1422930131;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: see the linked 'mass scan' readme.
1003665;1422930136;asciilifeform;(it uses custom tcp stack)
1003666;1422930155;asciilifeform;and prefers to diddle a physical NIC directly, even.
1003667;1422930177;asciilifeform;can also scan the old-fashioned way but then add two or three zeros to time required.
1003668;1422930218;asciilifeform;also it absolutely has to happen from outside usa, for reasons
1003669;1422930231;asciilifeform;(or in usa, but not own box)
1003670;1422930254;BingoBoingo;https://twitter.com/elnathan/status/561822765402324994
1003671;1422930256;assbot;Our thoughts are also with the measles-ravaged country America. I hope we are screening them before they come to Africa.
1003672;1422930280;asciilifeform;lol!
1003673;1422930325;*;BingoBoingo would not be surprised if traveler leaving US get quarentined for "Health Screenings" in the not to distant future.
1003674;1422930330;BingoBoingo;If not already a thing.
1003675;1422930371;Vexual;even if just to check if your dna is the same as when you arrived
1003676;1422930397;asciilifeform;or what interesting antibodies you've come back with
1003677;1422930405;Vexual;tru dat
1003678;1422930437;asciilifeform;(for non-u.s. folks: the harshest searches are reserved for folks flying -in- at present)
1003679;1422930463;punkman;asciilifeform: question is where to host massscan instance
1003680;1422930482;asciilifeform;punkman: got a 10Gb/s pipe somewhere in asia ?
1003681;1422930503;decimation;asciilifeform: docsis 3.1 uses aes-cbc 128-bit keys
1003682;1422930505;asciilifeform;on physical (specifically not vps) machine
1003683;1422930513;asciilifeform;decimation: ahahaha there we go
1003684;1422930529;asciilifeform;toy crypto - it's not just a bad idea, it's the law! (TM)
1003685;1422930594;decimation;ah "The CM MUST have two factory installed CM Device Certificates (and their associated private keys). The CM MUST have a CM Device Certificate installed that is issued from the new PKI. The CM MUST have a CM Device Certificate installed that is issued from the legacy PKI. The CM MUST have the same RSA public key in the CM Device Certificate as the RSA public key in the BPKM Attributes depending upon which CM Device Certificate is
1003686;1422930596;decimation;used for authentication. The CM MUST use the CM Device Certificate issued from the new PKI when authenticating with a DOCSIS 3.1 or higher CMTS. The CM is to use the CM Device Certificate issued from the legacy PKI when authenticating with a DOCSIS 3.0 or older version of DOCSIS CMTS."
1003687;1422930602;decimation;CM = "Cable Modem"
1003688;1422930615;asciilifeform;-and- device keys generated in factory!
1003689;1422930617;punkman;btw the patch that got lost in the tubes: http://dpaste.com/2EG2F1K.txt
1003690;1422930619;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1Dz1zav )
1003691;1422930633;punkman;removes cpumining functions
1003692;1422930634;asciilifeform;punkman: lemme guess, snipped miner
1003693;1422930642;asciilifeform;punkman: i actually must confess that i disagree
1003694;1422930647;decimation;don't worry little consumer, your device uses 'military grade crypto'
1003695;1422930649;asciilifeform;this is, recall, a -reference- implementation
1003696;1422930653;decimation;we'll keep the keys though thanks
1003697;1422930661;asciilifeform;punkman: hence ought to contain an example of miner.
1003698;1422930667;asciilifeform;even if it is worthless in practice
1003699;1422930688;decimation;lol "The CM MUST be able to process certificate serial number values containing 20 octets or fewer. The CM MUST accept certificates that have serial numbers that are negative or zero."
1003700;1422930689;asciilifeform;but idea being, if dropped on alpha centauri with the RI, ought to be able to start using bitcoin immediately
1003701;1422930695;asciilifeform;this means miner is in.
1003702;1422930718;Vexual;japanese torrentboxes are abundant
1003703;1422930726;decimation;asciilifeform: surely the miner need not be part of the same binary turdball?
1003704;1422930735;asciilifeform;Vexual: has to be a *physical* box
1003705;1422930741;asciilifeform;decimation: sure, can be outside
1003706;1422930744;Vexual;im sure they are
1003707;1422930755;asciilifeform;decimation: but imho it is unwise to throw away satoshi's miner so lightly
1003708;1422930767;decimation;aye, the cpu mining code can come with
1003709;1422930783;asciilifeform;satoshi's miner is valuable for the same reason as the rest of that piece of shit
1003710;1422930786;punkman;asciilifeform: yeah I'm not sure it should be removed, the foundation shall decide. it was good for practice anyway
1003711;1422930796;asciilifeform;i.e. it was written before bitcoin was valuable.
1003712;1422930815;decimation;asciilifeform: in general, docsis is a "reference implementation" of usg crypto, complete with fips standards etc.
1003713;1422930823;asciilifeform;decimation: surprised ?
1003714;1422930831;Vexual;if youre making a node box, youd better have somewhere to plug in a miner
1003715;1422930835;decimation;well, the amusing part is the key escrow
1003716;1422930849;asciilifeform;Vexual: well, 'Get Work'
1003717;1422930936;asciilifeform;decimation: the funny part isn't any of this, but that wtf is the point, isp has plaintext of your packets necessarily, anyway
1003718;1422930967;asciilifeform;the escrow can have -only one- purpose - to let nice folks at usg forge packets as 'provably' from your house.
1003719;1422930973;asciilifeform;!s toilet tank
1003720;1422930974;assbot;9 results for 'toilet tank' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=toilet+tank
1003721;1422930991;decimation;asciilifeform: yeah presumably if they wanted the packets they would just squeeze the ip stack at the isp
1003722;1422931003;asciilifeform;ergo it is for -writing- not reading.
1003723;1422931006;asciilifeform;reading - already trivial
1003724;1422931006;decimation;well, there's another agenda here too
1003725;1422931020;decimation;cable companies don't want mickey mouse crypto to cause some kind of pr incident
1003726;1422931033;asciilifeform;there is also the matter of guaranteeing that the equipment cannot be repurposed for any sane use
1003727;1422931037;asciilifeform;e.g., abroad
1003728;1422931041;decimation;your traffic is for the eyes of those who are authorized to have it
1003729;1422931057;asciilifeform;^ that comes from isp tap, no need for diddled modems
1003730;1422931098;decimation;aye.  but the problem with this system is that they have put all their eggs in the manufacturer's basket
1003731;1422931103;decimation;who keeps that keylist?
1003732;1422931106;asciilifeform;there's another aspect, also
1003733;1422931113;asciilifeform;there is a tradition in usa of 'deniable' snooping
1003734;1422931132;asciilifeform;where the tap is placed surprisingly close downstream to the 'last mile'
1003735;1422931151;BingoBoingo;http://www.tedunangst.com/flak/post/heartbleed-in-rust << implied lolz
1003736;1422931152;assbot;heartbleed in rust ... ( http://bit.ly/1Dz2WFT )
1003737;1422931239;mircea_popescu;<asciilifeform> can also scan the old-fashioned way but then add two or three zeros to time required. << yes, but cheap enough :)
1003738;1422931255;asciilifeform;decimation: i wonder if the device keys have even been 'phuctored' ever.
1003739;1422931299;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: i'm not certain that a scan taking >year is worth much
1003740;1422931388;mircea_popescu;eh fuck em, cloud speeds double every half year.
1003741;1422931400;mircea_popescu;trivial on this basis to show it will be < 1 year
1003742;1422931405;asciilifeform;l0l
1003743;1422931406;mircea_popescu;no matter what other numbers are involved.
1003744;1422931457;mircea_popescu;don't lol mr, my work on this topic has been reviewed by internet csseconomists and other lolexperts. plus oleg leganza.
1003745;1422931540;asciilifeform;decimation: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=28-08-2014#813119 << old thread, relevant
1003746;1422931540;assbot;Logged on 28-08-2014 03:56:01; asciilifeform: there is also the tired, old, mundane 'there is a kilo of cocaine in your toilet tank' theorem.
1003747;1422931749;asciilifeform;there is a whole not-very-well-hidden world of what one might call 'cardinal richelieu' ('...six words of the honest man!') infrastructure, waiting for command from usg to send 'd34th thr34tz!!!1111!!!' to some crowned head that are Provably!111! from your house, when the time comes
1003748;1422931804;mircea_popescu;kinda why one should not waste time.
1003749;1422931808;asciilifeform;!up Vexual
1003750;1422931816;mircea_popescu;send'em while you still can.
1003751;1422931840;asciilifeform;oh it'll send by itself, lol
1003752;1422931855;asciilifeform;with finest grammar, from content farms in philippines
1003753;1422931882;scoopbot;New post on Qntra.net by cazalla: http://qntra.net/2015/02/ubs-groups-cio-wants-to-throw-bitcoin-under-the-buss/
1003754;1422931895;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform check out this funny happenstance : once bb dropped the philippines bomb ? 20 mb thread suddenly of no further interest, off first page etc.
1003755;1422931907;mircea_popescu;the best part of tradecraft is that it is so god damned hard to do well.
1003756;1422931920;asciilifeform;see also the reddit incident
1003757;1422931923;asciilifeform;same deal, no?
1003758;1422931954;mircea_popescu;it's just this font of lulz, like, hm... quintessentially american to me.
1003759;1422931957;mircea_popescu;lemme dig up that woman.
1003760;1422931981;mircea_popescu;http://trilema.com/2010/literara-este-grea/ << julia a moore.
1003761;1422931982;assbot;Literara este grea pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.  ... ( http://bit.ly/1Dz528X )
1003762;1422931996;*;asciilifeform wonders whether, if mircea_popescu offered a bounty, one of the flunkies would walk in with 'smoking gun' dirt
1003763;1422931998;mircea_popescu;this was a simple woman who couldn't write, that infatuated herself with the notion that she can produce poetry
1003764;1422932002;mircea_popescu;was a great amusement for a little bit
1003765;1422932021;mircea_popescu;but she persevered. the exact manners in which she persevered are, to me, the best summary of the american spirit that can be had.
1003766;1422932038;asciilifeform;i was expecting a reference to the maths girl
1003767;1422932041;mircea_popescu;a) claimed that the poor arrangement / band / etc were the reason people "didn't like" her 2nd performance.
1003768;1422932076;mircea_popescu;the move from "laughed their ass at me" to "didn't like" ? blaming the band ? here : http://trilema.com/2015/have-some-chocolate-cake/#comment-111925
1003769;1422932076;assbot;Have some chocolate cake. pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.  ... ( http://bit.ly/1Dz5gge )
1003770;1422932109;mircea_popescu;but then, for it doesn't end there! then she confronted teh comedy goldminers by saying that "they each paid a quarter to see a fool, but she's been paid 50 bux and sees a roomfull of fools"
1003771;1422932119;mircea_popescu;right ? TOTALLY TURNED IT ON THEM WITH HER WITS
1003772;1422932152;mircea_popescu;but then!!11 for it has a c. then her husband , who you know, was hoping to be able to enjoy a drink in a bar without being laughed into the ground sometime before he dies completely forbade any further writings
1003773;1422932158;mircea_popescu;under pain of beatings and so forth.
1003774;1422932171;mircea_popescu;so she stopped writing ~poetry~. and instead wrote a miserable novel
1003775;1422932185;mircea_popescu;about a farmer. who was in debt. who was married to a marry sue, whose published novel saves the farm.
1003776;1422932225;mircea_popescu;it's this particular concoction of the forcible solipsism of crusoe with the narcissism of a fifteen year old boy that grew up alone among cows, with the desperation of a dying beggar on the dark side of the moon.
1003777;1422932257;mircea_popescu;and if you look at the place's history... those wolves that ate boston... their teeth are still visible in the striations of the skins of these people.
1003778;1422932259;asciilifeform;^ usa in one page
1003779;1422932294;asciilifeform;!b 16
1003780;1422932296;assbot;Last 16 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/2AWRM6H.txt )
1003781;1422932545;decimation;decimation: i wonder if the device keys have even been 'phuctored' ever. << "CMs MUST store and maintain the CM Device Certificate RSA private/public key pairs. The CM MUST store the CM Device Certificate private keys in a manner that deters unauthorized disclosure and modification. Also, CMs SHOULD prevent debugger tools from reading the CM Device Certificate private key in production devices by restricting or blocking physical
1003782;1422932546;decimation;access to memory containing this key."
1003783;1422932617;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=934517.0 seems you've been superseded
1003784;1422932617;assbot;Introducing new "the only official foundation of Bitcoin" [sign up as president] ... ( http://bit.ly/1Dz6wQr )
1003785;1422932644;hanbot;<mircea_popescu> it's this particular concoction of the forcible solipsism of crusoe with the narcissism of a fifteen year old boy that grew up alone among cows, with the desperation of a dying beggar on the dark side of the moon.  << ahahaha best review evar
1003786;1422932672;*;mircea_popescu is kind-of surprised anyone agrees
1003787;1422932683;mircea_popescu;i thought this was highly personal and entirely idiosyncratic a view
1003788;1422932856;asciilifeform;'We, the true "only official foundation of Bitcoin" declare ourselves the new leaders. Our main goal will be hookers and blow for everyone! Our main concern will be beer and Bitcoin of course. We will represent the bitcoin community from now on in the correct way to the outside world and all important people need to bow to us and bribe us to get a foot in the door. It will also be lucrative for the people in power to infiltrat
1003789;1422932856;asciilifeform;e us so they can be the true leaders of the bitcoin community too.' << win
1003790;1422933006;mircea_popescu;ikr?
1003791;1422933164;asciilifeform;257458.
1003792;1422933193;mircea_popescu;http://i3.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/000/316/303/2ae.jpg << for the record, satoshi also co-authored the original not-a-mary-sue
1003793;1422933194;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1Dz8ekX )
1003794;1422933296;pete_dushenski;cazalla "negative media attention Bitcoin reguarly receives in the media" << regularly
1003795;1422933404;BingoBoingo;!up Vexual
1003796;1422933481;mircea_popescu;http://qntra.net/2015/02/ubs-groups-cio-wants-to-throw-bitcoin-under-the-buss/ << lol ubs wants a "blockchain technology" separated from bitcoin
1003797;1422933482;assbot;UBS Group's CIO Wants To Throw Bitcoin Under The Buss | Qntra.net ... ( http://bit.ly/1Dz8Xm4 )
1003798;1422933494;mircea_popescu;there you go, who asked if to own or to burn ? to this.
1003799;1422933500;asciilifeform;wasn't that an old idiocy ?
1003800;1422933503;asciilifeform;at least a few months?
1003801;1422933507;mircea_popescu;if ubs wasn't so very bankrupt, it'd even matter more.
1003802;1422933513;asciilifeform;i distinctly recall hearing of it before
1003803;1422933516;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform nobody lost his job as ubs cio by doing old idiocy
1003804;1422933524;cazalla;asciilifeform, this one is new but UBS have mentioned it before
1003805;1422933529;cazalla;pete_dushenski, ty
1003806;1422933534;pete_dushenski;np
1003807;1422933540;decimation;didn't some ubs guy jump out a window a few years ago
1003808;1422933558;asciilifeform;aha
1003809;1422933563;asciilifeform;famous street-pizza kitchen
1003810;1422933597;decimation;I'm thinking of zurich insurance
1003811;1422933622;Vexual;if anyone patents blockchain, its because fuck
1003812;1422933685;Vexual;einstein would be sitting there, drunk as fuck in austria, thinking, "nah thats the same shit"
1003813;1422933690;asciilifeform;let'em patent sky, earth, sea
1003814;1422933701;asciilifeform;own arses.
1003815;1422933732;mircea_popescu;ideally they patent the particular way in which they suck my cock.
1003816;1422933754;mircea_popescu;so there's no confusion if i'm gettingserviced by oliver bussmann or by his mom.
1003817;1422933788;Vexual;lol
1003818;1422933852;asciilifeform;'the bus, mmm, broke down, mm. -we're- the bus now.' --- 'bangbus'
1003819;1422933982;decimation;asciilifeform: re: 'drugs in toilet' << the simple version is 'ur bezzlars be our bezzlars now!' http://dailycaller.com/2015/01/23/gun-businesses-seek-ways-to-survive-while-denied-basic-business-services/
1003820;1422933983;assbot;How The Federal Government Puts The Screws Into Gun Businesses | The Daily Caller ... ( http://bit.ly/1Dz9PHf )
1003821;1422933990;decimation;"The House Oversight and Government Reform Committee released a report last month showing the Federal Deposit Insurance Corporation (FDIC) targeted gun dealers and other businesses like payday lenders and pawn shops as illegal operations, and pressured banks to halt dealing with these businesses. The administration’s program is now known as Operation Choke Point, which is run by the Departments of Justice and Treasury."
1003822;1422934011;mircea_popescu;i can;t wait for when it's not about the block size but about the total bitcoins, and it's noit about "saving africa" but about saving ubs, and the howlers are not on the forum but on every tv screen,
1003823;1422934028;mircea_popescu;telling them to get fucked THEN will be much lulzier.
1003824;1422934077;mircea_popescu;decimation pity they don't have the backbone (and leadership) to start a cash only program, and publicly denounce banking as a scam.
1003825;1422934094;mircea_popescu;then start shooting police officers coming to steal the cash.
1003826;1422934099;mircea_popescu;make a steak out of the whole thing.
1003827;1422934133;Vexual;ayo
1003828;1422934165;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: see the old threads re: nontriviality of hooking up to cash world from scratch
1003829;1422934185;decimation;usg ought to be careful with pushing this kind of shit, you don't want the little people to become confused about banking
1003830;1422934188;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: e.g., everybody in the store would need to move to that planet
1003831;1422934209;asciilifeform;and someone would still have to come up with electronic bezzlars to pay tax with - or the tax squads descend
1003832;1422934217;mircea_popescu;the nontriviality there is a little ofsometing else. the thought process of "she's a total bitch, let me try and work with her nevertheless" is responsible for more unhappy marriages than any other thing.
1003833;1422934227;Vexual;i like the art deco font, reminds me of a time i can't possibly remember
1003834;1422934227;asciilifeform;well that's usg.
1003835;1422934240;mircea_popescu;not the right approach. bitch talks back, she gets slapped. she starts crying, she gets beaten. she screams, she gets cut loose.
1003836;1422934257;Vexual;and a days folding money might fit in the back pocket
1003837;1422934258;mircea_popescu;government is the bitch. the slightest getting in your way must be met with disproportionately escalated response until it either dies or gives up.
1003838;1422934289;mircea_popescu;this is how small government is both obtained and maintained, and this is how a country that actually works is preserved.
1003839;1422934328;mircea_popescu;and fwiw a principle i studiously observed throughout my life and in all aspects so far. cop wants to bitch about tickets, his department can enjoy thirty eight different lawsuits.
1003840;1422934335;mircea_popescu;and it goes from there.
1003841;1422934337;decimation;in this metaphor, us citizens are henpecked betas?
1003842;1422934339;asciilifeform;'maintain small government' is like 'maintain small tumour.'
1003843;1422934344;mircea_popescu;decimation quite.
1003844;1422934358;Vexual;do you pay the tickets for your limo mp?
1003845;1422934365;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform more like "maintaining your penis in a state where it's enjoyable without ruining your life"
1003846;1422934372;mircea_popescu;Vexual i dun limo.
1003847;1422934390;Vexual;walking is good
1003848;1422934413;decimation;the problem is that the vector usg uses is civilization-destroying.  essentially "obey the law" becomes more of a farce until it becomes a laughing matter
1003849;1422934424;asciilifeform;'I can�t use Amazon, because they prohibit the majority of my products.' -- plenty of small-arms related junk on 'amazon'
1003850;1422934425;mircea_popescu;shoot it.
1003851;1422934431;asciilifeform;just not the boomsticks themselves (regulated)
1003852;1422934436;asciilifeform;nor gunpowder.
1003853;1422934458;mircea_popescu;the usg has no priviledged relationship with the law. it's a poor mockery thereof.
1003854;1422934468;mircea_popescu;we've made more good law here in the past year than the us congress in the past decade.
1003855;1422934510;asciilifeform;'Karrasch also found he could not use the popular accounting software QuickBooks to pay receipts because of the nature of his business.' --- enjoy 'the cloud' !
1003856;1422934523;mircea_popescu;heh.
1003857;1422934534;mircea_popescu;wait. you could buy a kalash from karrasch ?!
1003858;1422934546;kakobrekla;https://i.imgur.com/6EaciKa.png
1003859;1422934547;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1Dzbblv )
1003860;1422934634;decimation;'“Google could be doing business with firearms businesses. The thing is they won’t because of their stance [against firearms]. I can’t advertise on Google. I can’t advertise on Facebook. I can’t use Amazon, because they prohibit the majority of my products. I closed down that account over a year ago, and I still get notices from them, regardless of the emails I sent to them telling them that I’m not selling with them.”
1003861;1422934642;BingoBoingo;kakobrekla: Win
1003862;1422934652;mircea_popescu;kakobrekla ahahaha scammer cuts loose already introducing new scam ?
1003863;1422934655;mircea_popescu;jesus these idiots.
1003864;1422934664;mircea_popescu;this may be one of the first ones that has made a profit.
1003865;1422934669;mircea_popescu;in a year or two
1003866;1422934674;kakobrekla;quite amazing
1003867;1422934674;assbot;AMAZING COMPANY!
1003868;1422934685;BingoBoingo;"wrecking ball"
1003869;1422934718;mircea_popescu;decimation see, this is the whine of an idiot.
1003870;1422934740;mircea_popescu;he should start doing actually roi able advertising. create a festival. say in the place where they stole that guy's cattle grazing.
1003871;1422934751;mircea_popescu;give people free ammo. sell guns for cash only.
1003872;1422934759;mircea_popescu;make a point about how the enemy IS THE ENEMY
1003873;1422934775;mircea_popescu;stop pussy-fucking-footing all around the broken, shattered remains of a thing that no longer exists.
1003874;1422934777;asciilifeform;cash << guess who'll be waiting for the cash car on the interstate.
1003875;1422934794;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform << <mircea_popescu> then start shooting police officers coming to steal the cash.
1003876;1422934836;mircea_popescu;what exactly are they gonna do ? feed you for the next 30 years ? big whoop.
1003877;1422934847;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: your advice makes the same amount of sense as solzhenitsyn's
1003878;1422934853;asciilifeform;which is to say, a good bit of
1003879;1422934862;asciilifeform;but who will take it.
1003880;1422934865;mircea_popescu;i dun recall what that was ?
1003881;1422934874;asciilifeform;!s solzhenitsyn axe
1003882;1422934874;assbot;8 results for 'solzhenitsyn axe' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=solzhenitsyn+axe
1003883;1422934878;mircea_popescu;a yeah.
1003884;1422934891;decimation;http://www.newsmax.com/Newsfront/surveillance-national-rifle-association-cars-license-plates/2015/01/28/id/621159/ << " The National Rifle Association is investigating reports that a leading federal agent proposed using license-plate readers to scan vehicles at gun shows as part of a gun-trafficking crackdown."
1003885;1422934893;assbot;US Car-Spying Plans Included Parked at Gun Shows, WSJ Says ... ( http://bit.ly/1Dzcfpo )
1003886;1422934893;mircea_popescu;people need to seriously stop worrying about imaginary hobgoblins.
1003887;1422934916;mircea_popescu;so what's the problem, if half a million people shoot half a million cops, they're going to build you a special country club and keep you there with all your friends ?
1003888;1422934918;mircea_popescu;o noes!
1003889;1422934935;Vexual;i log numberplaltes
1003890;1422934947;asciilifeform;half a million people shoot half a million cops << lol
1003891;1422934962;asciilifeform;are there even half a million in north a.
1003892;1422934963;mircea_popescu;takes < 1 man year.
1003893;1422934971;mircea_popescu;ie, less than the fucking effort to build the cardano.
1003894;1422934973;asciilifeform;this is basically solzhenitsyn's theorem
1003895;1422934973;Vexual;noone to call
1003896;1422934982;asciilifeform;and the reason why 1 machinegunner can guard 500 prisoners
1003897;1422935033;mircea_popescu;heh. people keep derping about the 1% but don't really want to be teh 1% eh ?
1003898;1422935062;mircea_popescu;fine. just as long as we all stop pretending like this is "impossible" and we understand that it's quite possible, perfectly feasible and practically effective.
1003899;1422935071;mircea_popescu;then it can be a "but i dun want to" and everyone can go home happy.
1003900;1422935096;asciilifeform;'The DEA has designed this program to assist with locating, identifying, and seizing bulk currency, guns, and other illicit contraband moving along the southwest border and throughout the United States.'
1003901;1422935107;asciilifeform;( http://www.newsmax.com/Newsfront/cars-database-Drug-Enforcement-Administration-license-plates/2015/01/27/id/620928 )
1003902;1422935109;assbot;US Spying On Millions of Cars on Major Highways: Wall Street Journal ... ( http://bit.ly/1DzcRLO )
1003903;1422935128;decimation;mircea_popescu: but you said the same plan would not have worked for Louis XVI
1003904;1422935129;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: didja ever have a ru physics textbook with the jumping chinese example ?
1003905;1422935142;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform fraid not. decimation quote me ?
1003906;1422935168;asciilifeform;'if the chinese were to jump from stools 1 metre heigh upon hearing the signal over the radio...'
1003907;1422935219;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: the rebellion thing is not a cowardice problem as such but actually a byzantine generals problem.
1003908;1422935226;mircea_popescu;'how many chinese women woud orgasm ' ?
1003909;1422935236;decimation;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-11-2014#919421
1003910;1422935236;assbot;Logged on 13-11-2014 05:34:16; mircea_popescu: decimation suppose you were king, and ordered the leningrad of paris. what then ?
1003911;1422935240;asciilifeform;suicidal courage is but one solution to the byzantine generals conundrum
1003912;1422935248;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform but the principal problem of the byznatines was their cowardice
1003913;1422935255;asciilifeform;and not an especially effective solution
1003914;1422935267;mircea_popescu;decimation you see the difference between being king and being, allegedly, a nation ?
1003915;1422935268;asciilifeform;as it does not guarantee that the 'generals' march simultaneously or in any useful pattern at all
1003916;1422935291;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform pattern is actually not required in insurection. determination only requisite ingredient, carries day.
1003917;1422935312;asciilifeform;usa is a proverbial 'glass house'
1003918;1422935315;mircea_popescu;decimation they're in fact the opposite sides of the same coin.
1003919;1422935326;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform everything ever seems one thing until it isn't. you know ?
1003920;1422935328;asciilifeform;in which few, other than obvious idiots and easily controlled orcs, care to 'throw stones'
1003921;1422935370;asciilifeform;how many folks in usa can survive a month w/out 'business as usual' (mains, fuel, water, just-in-time deliveries to local 'food' shops)
1003922;1422935382;mircea_popescu;so then why so many peoples in the usa bitch!
1003923;1422935395;asciilifeform;same reason a fella sitting on the stake 'bitches'
1003924;1422935407;mircea_popescu;yeah well it gotta be one or the other.
1003925;1422935418;asciilifeform;sitting on a sharpened pine tree fsckinghurts
1003926;1422935419;mircea_popescu;because the aliens aren't about to land with platinum visas for everyone.
1003927;1422935430;asciilifeform;who can disagree.
1003928;1422935440;mircea_popescu;but i guess we can wait :D
1003929;1422935496;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform anyway, to revisit this point : the byzantine generals problem is specifically and exactly mathematically formalised cowardice.
1003930;1422935508;mircea_popescu;this is what cowardice is : the consideration of meta.
1003931;1422935522;mircea_popescu;you see a nail go "don't hit me unless i actually go in the wall" ?
1003932;1422935534;asciilifeform;so, let's take the malcontents of europe circa 1849.
1003933;1422935536;mircea_popescu;fuck you, you're a nail. whether you drive or bend, you're getting hit.
1003934;1422935540;cazalla;au beginning to cut interest rates today
1003935;1422935542;asciilifeform;more courage would have made a difference ?
1003936;1422935547;asciilifeform;or - coordination.
1003937;1422935552;asciilifeform;and knowing what the hell they're doing
1003938;1422935559;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform you mean after the austrian monarch was deposed ? in a negotiated peace ?
1003939;1422935574;mircea_popescu;everyone got paid in 1848.
1003940;1422935608;cazalla;http://www.xe.com/currencycharts/?from=AUD&to=USD just jumped off a cliff too lol
1003941;1422935609;assbot;XE.com - AUD/USD Chart ... ( http://bit.ly/1Dze1XE )
1003942;1422935609;asciilifeform;'48 rather
1003943;1422935626;mircea_popescu;cazalla may be good for exports :D
1003944;1422935729;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform were you thinking 1907 ? i dun see the 1848 angle in any light.
1003945;1422935779;cazalla;mircea_popescu, maybe, but i read demand for au minerals has tanked too
1003946;1422935801;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: thinking of the mostly failed revolts in fr, elsewhere
1003947;1422935847;decimation;the problem from the rebel's point of view - does his rebellion tend to empower gentlemen planters, or lenin, danton, and their ilk?
1003948;1422936239;asciilifeform;http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2015-February/000044.html
1003949;1422936240;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1DzfJYX )
1003950;1422936420;asciilifeform;^ i would much like to see that mega-portscan happen. it is really the only sane way to generate a proper seedlist.
1003951;1422936426;asciilifeform;random selection of nodes from whole planet.
1003952;1422936461;asciilifeform;zap whatever compartments and cliques may have formed naturally (or unnaturally...) in the graph.
1003953;1422936502;asciilifeform;or are we to believe that a protocol carried 100% in cleartext, on unique tcp port - is not being molested ?
1003954;1422936532;asciilifeform;(proofofwork is not a magical pill against every conceivable form of molestation, only the immediately profitable forms)
1003955;1422936701;asciilifeform;!up Vexual
1003956;1422936934;asciilifeform;note that enemy has all the portscans he can ever wish for.
1003957;1422936938;asciilifeform;enough to eat with arse.
1003958;1422936970;asciilifeform;whereas normal people are stuck wondering how many public btc nodes, and afaik there is not a believable public number anywhere
1003959;1422936990;asciilifeform;nor any believable public data on versions.
1003960;1422937019;Vexual;no versions, only talk
1003961;1422937020;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform i do not grasp how one could see the 1848 revolts as failed.
1003962;1422937050;mircea_popescu;decimation the error is to imagine lenin, dalton and gentlemen planters are some sort of ilk.
1003963;1422937057;mircea_popescu;they're not.
1003964;1422937071;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform how is a portscan sane ?
1003965;1422937081;mircea_popescu;no, the sane way is wot signed seed list.
1003966;1422937086;asciilifeform;well yes
1003967;1422937089;asciilifeform;but derived how?
1003968;1422937101;*;asciilifeform did not suggest that a node carry out the scan!
1003969;1422937115;mircea_popescu;derived by "here is the ip of my pogo"
1003970;1422937119;asciilifeform;but that it be performed, now and again, as a scientific enterprise
1003971;1422937140;mircea_popescu;sure, but a scientific enterprise in no way related to generating seedlists.
1003972;1422937153;asciilifeform;ip of my pogo << that'd mean having these identify selves to one another specifically
1003973;1422937160;mircea_popescu;sure.
1003974;1422937167;mircea_popescu;it's what deedbot is for, among other things
1003975;1422937170;asciilifeform;and introduces a central point of choke
1003976;1422937175;mircea_popescu;nope.
1003977;1422937178;asciilifeform;(to whom, precisely, are they to speak?)
1003978;1422937184;mircea_popescu;hm?
1003979;1422937195;asciilifeform;say i were to prepare a crate of pogos today
1003980;1422937202;mircea_popescu;ok.
1003981;1422937202;asciilifeform;whence should they look for seeds ?
1003982;1422937203;decimation;asciilifeform: looks like we are gonna have to invent our own dns :/
1003983;1422937211;mircea_popescu;they should look for seeds in their config file.
1003984;1422937219;asciilifeform;but what is to be found there ?
1003985;1422937230;decimation;asciilifeform: blockchain telegraphy?
1003986;1422937231;asciilifeform;i will not know where the contents of the crate will be plugged in
1003987;1422937238;asciilifeform;decimation: that needs a blockchain!
1003988;1422937241;asciilifeform;decimation: catch22
1003989;1422937246;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform not your job to know!
1003990;1422937261;asciilifeform;well, when filling the crate, what is to be placed in the configs?
1003991;1422937261;mircea_popescu;whosoever wants to run one looks at our list, or if not at whatever list he feels like.
1003992;1422937266;mircea_popescu;nothing.
1003993;1422937274;asciilifeform;so these are not working nodes out of the box.
1003994;1422937278;asciilifeform;should have specified.
1003995;1422937284;decimation;should the nodes ship with a 'cannon' blockchain?
1003996;1422937290;asciilifeform;canon?
1003997;1422937298;Vexual;torrent of data
1003998;1422937326;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform yes, they are working out of the box.
1003999;1422937341;mircea_popescu;if you buy a coffee grinder it does not work out of the box unless pre-filled with beans ?!
1004000;1422937345;asciilifeform;to backtrack, my earlier suggestion was to ship them with a basic list (a few hundred addrs)
1004001;1422937350;asciilifeform;derived via port scan.
1004002;1422937356;mircea_popescu;fuck democracy.
1004003;1422937356;asciilifeform;i.e. random sampling of planet
1004004;1422937370;asciilifeform;not for 'democracy' but for 'nothing-up-me-sleeve'
1004005;1422937374;mircea_popescu;the fact that someone has a port open matters about as much as the fact someone scribbled something on github/wikipedia/we
1004006;1422937376;asciilifeform;(term of art from crypto world)
1004007;1422937390;asciilifeform;it's like collecting random sample of water from sewer
1004008;1422937398;asciilifeform;sometimes - done
1004009;1422937406;mircea_popescu;there is no burden that i can conceive where one's held to ship with prefilled config files.
1004010;1422937420;mircea_popescu;irrespective of what the consumer may have come to expect.
1004011;1422937423;asciilifeform;well then user has to fill it up.
1004012;1422937434;mircea_popescu;uness you're shipping them to your mother, in which casse, put there w/e you want to put there.
1004013;1422937438;mircea_popescu;of course.
1004014;1422937441;asciilifeform;for some reason i thought we were still thinking in the 'gifts to gurlz at parties' train of thought
1004015;1422937445;Vexual;most noders will ahve interetz
1004016;1422937446;mircea_popescu;we were, yes.
1004017;1422937456;mircea_popescu;so you expected to get gurls address and ship directly ?
1004018;1422937462;asciilifeform;lol
1004019;1422937464;mircea_popescu;well ?
1004020;1422937506;*;asciilifeform is a firm student of 'the best machine is no machine' and like the solution of not even having a solution to the 'what seeds' thing
1004021;1422937523;asciilifeform;however this leaves the 'what seeds' question open still.
1004022;1422937534;mircea_popescu;the solution is perfectly there. here's the hole. here's a peg you may put in there. or else stick your own cock or a bottle of coke
1004023;1422937549;asciilifeform;but there are 1000 holes, and one cock
1004024;1422937556;mircea_popescu;why one cock again ?
1004025;1422937572;pete_dushenski;scoop for superbowl viewers at home: http://www.contravex.com/2015/02/03/meta-metastasis-or-how-a-dancing-shark-jumped-the-shark/
1004026;1422937573;assbot;Meta-metastasis, or how a dancing shark jumped the shark. | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski ... ( http://bit.ly/16p47gY )
1004027;1422937574;asciilifeform;well, perhaps not one, but... 7? (therealbitcoinfoundation)
1004028;1422937583;mircea_popescu;ok... ?
1004029;1422937590;pete_dushenski;did anyone else see right through the meta-sharks ?
1004030;1422937595;asciilifeform;but presumably we aren't trying to build a closed parallel universe
1004031;1422937603;asciilifeform;with only our nodes
1004032;1422937619;pete_dushenski;and now dinner time, cheerio!
1004033;1422937627;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform not specifically. we don't really care.
1004034;1422937633;mircea_popescu;once bootstrapped nodes talk to nodes, what.
1004035;1422937648;Vexual;https://mail.google.com/mail/u/0/?pli=1#inbox/14b4daf267842035
1004036;1422937653;Vexual;dang
1004037;1422937656;asciilifeform;l0l
1004038;1422937670;Vexual;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Y0svixmS4w
1004039;1422937685;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: outside-world addrs will not spontaneously appear in a cliquegraph
1004040;1422937702;mircea_popescu;vice-versa.
1004041;1422937721;asciilifeform;so we sit, waiting for all-comers to plug in? sure.
1004042;1422937722;mircea_popescu;clique appears in outside world.
1004043;1422937728;mircea_popescu;that's the idea isn't it
1004044;1422937729;asciilifeform;^ werks
1004045;1422937736;mircea_popescu;an actual backbone for the bitcoin txn
1004046;1422937753;mircea_popescu;i don't see the letter dns servers perceive any need for putting my fucking ip in their list anywhere.
1004047;1422937774;*;asciilifeform gets idea
1004048;1422937790;mircea_popescu;it's lightweight, large and dependable. all the qualities the dns letters don't actually have.
1004049;1422937798;mircea_popescu;well, they are dependable, but still.
1004050;1422937809;asciilifeform;'muhammed will not go to mountain, let mountain go to muhammed'
1004051;1422937834;mod6;basically wedged at 168,000: just waiting for it to error out.
1004052;1422937838;mircea_popescu;o.O
1004053;1422937846;mircea_popescu;this is pretty fucking weird mod6
1004054;1422937870;mod6;yeah. really weird.
1004055;1422937973;Vexual;ascilifeform: you'll consult satoshi?
1004056;1422938124;Vexual;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6-YCwARjLLA
1004057;1422938356;decimation;even if we want to start a backbone of little pogos, it won't be easy to keep track of ips
1004058;1422938366;decimation;how many of pay for static ip services?
1004059;1422938380;mircea_popescu;think about it : if it won't be easy to keep track of ips it follows it's no longer a chokepoint.
1004060;1422938393;Vexual;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2rDWEMZG0lE
1004061;1422938421;mircea_popescu;it really is better designed dns.
1004062;1422938497;mircea_popescu;(also bear in mind these aren't really supposed to ever power down)
1004063;1422938517;Vexual;duly noted
1004064;1422938563;mircea_popescu;an' with that, i bid you a good night!
1004065;1422938673;decimation;perhaps the node can walk jurov's turdatron for specially marked (and signed) emails
1004066;1422938725;asciilifeform;decimation: turdatron is a central point of failure
1004067;1422938747;mod6;this is strange, last like 5-6 times i got wedged at 168,000 it errored out pretty quickly (like the snippit in the matrix doc), but now, taking a good while...
1004068;1422938753;*;trinque settles in for a few hours of deedbot hacking
1004069;1422938760;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu has the right idea - deliberately underspecify the seed list
1004070;1422938775;asciilifeform;those of us who choose to run public nodes - can
1004071;1422938806;decimation;do nodes query other node's connections?
1004072;1422938819;asciilifeform;decimation: as part of the traditional protocol, yes
1004073;1422938828;decimation;ah, well that might work then
1004074;1422939217;decimation;!down decimation
1004075;1422939324;trinque;maybe when the deturdulation is all said and done, the act of programming against the thing can be improved as well
1004076;1422939381;mod6;still no error?! wth
1004077;1422939407;trinque;select id from transaction_output except select output_id from transaction_input
1004078;1422939429;trinque;magic! the dream of the 70s!
1004079;1422940060;asciilifeform;trinque: this is after nubbins` prints the book
1004080;1422940067;trinque;sure
1004081;1422940092;mod6;well, sooner or later this turd is gonna fail
1004082;1422940099;trinque;I look at this api and say "surely there are not this number of core abstractions..."
1004083;1422940101;trinque;the fuck is this?
1004084;1422940107;mod6;i'll put together some log snippits when it does
1004085;1422940116;trinque;rdbms is for modeling problems; best tool there is for that
1004086;1422940172;trinque;these "key value stores" are a joke
1004087;1422940194;trinque;"sorry database, I don't know the data I want by name. You're supposed to tell me that..."
1004088;1422940227;trinque;I think I'll just give deedbot an out to spend and when it's depleted it's done, insert another please
1004089;1422940233;asciilifeform;trinque: chisel is not simply a very thin and unpleasant hammer.
1004090;1422940247;asciilifeform;no matter how many times abused
1004091;1422940254;trinque;the problem with that approach is splits
1004092;1422940270;trinque;*the problem with not recalculating all spendable outs each time and then picking one
1004093;1422940286;trinque;which, is one confirmation even enough to deal with that?
1004094;1422940302;trinque;should I be de-publishing things that ended up timestamped on a dropped fork?
1004095;1422940326;trinque;asciilifeform: rdbms is the surgical one, I hope
1004096;1422940399;trinque;now I understand why some idiot did a "crypto coin in couchdb"
1004097;1422940413;trinque;not like couchdb is any worse than any other of these
1004098;1422940518;trinque;turns out a lot of the code we wrap these kv stores in looks a lot like shitty constraints, shitty transactions, shitty referential integrity, etc
1004099;1422940543;trinque;but that should be reinvented each time because speed
1004100;1422940606;fluffypony;trinque: the worst is when they create a "fast, distributed key-value store" and then a couple of years later they get pressured into adding "fully atomic transactions" which ends up needing consistency, and so that becomes "full ACID support", and then fast-forward a few years and you have them inventing a "SQL-like query language"
1004101;1422940621;fluffypony;and they're two steps away from having re-invented an RDBMS
1004102;1422940625;trinque;fluffypony: yeah, the things ether are useless or are shitty SQS
1004103;1422940629;trinque;*SQL
1004104;1422940673;trinque;and when you're working on something that potentially involves the wealth of goddamn kings...
1004105;1422940696;trinque;lets not invent a database poorly as part of the problem
1004106;1422940707;fluffypony;"but WaffleDB is so much faster than mysql!" - which is a great argument if you're counting pageviews or storing log entries
1004107;1422940723;*;asciilifeform misread as 'Waffen DB'
1004108;1422940724;trinque;heh I like the line from the "mongo is webscale thing"
1004109;1422940756;trinque;about writing to /dev/null because obviously that'd be insanely fast
1004110;1422940776;fluffypony;100% in-memory, never spools to disk
1004111;1422940787;fluffypony;just don't ever restart
1004112;1422940806;trinque;the whole document store thing too, that's just looking at the net, accepting it as gospel
1004113;1422940815;trinque;then saying well fuck, since documents are right, obviously, lets do that
1004114;1422940818;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 252150 @ 0.000391 = 98.5907 BTC [+] {4} 
1004115;1422940840;fluffypony;asciilifeform: "waffle" is my go-to when I talk hypotheticals...WaffleCoin, WaffleOS, WaffleDB
1004116;1422940843;mod6;i guess maybe one other time it ran a long time like this until it ran out of memory and blew its brains out
1004117;1422940864;trinque;fluffypony: there'll be one eventually
1004118;1422940869;fluffypony;no doubt
1004119;1422940873;fluffypony;then I'll have to stop using the name
1004120;1422940876;trinque;"inventing" a new "database" is just like farting out an altcoin these days
1004121;1422940897;trinque;nevermind the 40 years of research that culminated in modern rdbms
1004122;1422940905;asciilifeform;http://bitcoin.sipa.be/seeds.txt
1004123;1422940906;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1D86C3s )
1004124;1422940907;asciilifeform;^ interesting
1004125;1422940914;fluffypony;at least when they "invent" a new database they can invent silly architecture without caring about cryptography...the amount of retarded cryptography in the altcoin space is scary
1004126;1422940916;*;mod6 looks
1004127;1422940922;asciilifeform;phoundation claims their 512 hardseeds are selected therein
1004128;1422940923;asciilifeform;https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/blob/7b879d3493e5b51c60522f71657941bd62e29334/contrib/seeds/README.md
1004129;1422940925;assbot;bitcoin/README.md at 7b879d3493e5b51c60522f71657941bd62e29334 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1D86D7A )
1004130;1422941048;mod6;still some 32400 nodes out there
1004131;1422941056;trinque;fluffypony: when I finally learned lisp it was the same feeling towards every other scripty language
1004132;1422941090;trinque;who in the fuck let these bastards steal fire from the gods, and why wasn't I told about this?
1004133;1422941134;asciilifeform;!b 2
1004134;1422941135;assbot;Last 2 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/0FPDE7Y.txt )
1004135;1422941147;fluffypony;lol
1004136;1422941223;*;mod6 bed
1004137;1422941258;fluffypony;http://www.coindesk.com/bitcoin-elite-meet-secret-island-bilderberg-style-retreat/
1004138;1422941259;assbot;Bitcoin Elite to Gather on Secret Island for Bilderberg-Style Retreat ... ( http://bit.ly/1D87w03 )
1004139;1422941267;fluffypony;lulzy
1004140;1422941644;trinque;fluffypony: bilderberg is right
1004141;1422941653;trinque;why don't they just invite the phoundation to the real one
1004142;1422941705;fluffypony;lol
1004143;1422941711;fluffypony;they're not cool enough
1004144;1422941732;trinque;they can discuss how best to attach bitcoin to the side of a sinking ship
1004145;1422941762;fluffypony;BarnacleCoin
1004146;1422941769;fluffypony;no no wait, BarnacleChains
1004147;1422941825;trinque;heh
1004148;1422943345;asciilifeform;jurov: for shame.
1004149;1422943361;asciilifeform;jurov: i post a mega-study of phoundation's nodes and your turdatron swallows it
1004150;1422943365;asciilifeform;jurov: without so much as a burp.
1004151;1422943446;asciilifeform;now,
1004152;1422943447;asciilifeform;http://www.loper-os.org/pub/this_is_lame.txt
1004153;1422943449;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/16ps5J3 )
1004154;1422943464;asciilifeform;^ because who knows when he'll wake up
1004155;1422943977;asciilifeform;!up Vexual
1004156;1422943996;*;asciilifeform to sleep
1004157;1422944104;Vexual;gnight https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XklVahMDm1A
1004158;1422945152;Vexual;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g12f7uDIGZc
1004159;1422945700;Vexual;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XCGbNFFqxS4
1004160;1422954597;punkman;there's this robocaller that waits for me to pick up the phone and say something, pauses for a short time, then says "Goodbye" and hangs up.
1004161;1422954623;punkman;always makes me think "is this the day I get droned?"
1004162;1422954877;punkman;granted, I'm not in drone country and the paranoia feels a couple decades early.
1004163;1422954954;cazalla;i dunno, "goodbye" sounds a bit prophetic, i'd be getting the tinfoil hat and shotty, parachute at the ready
1004164;1422955046;punkman;(actually says "Goodbye", not translated, with a somewhat american accent)
1004165;1422955310;cazalla;mebe telemarkets and auto dialer couldn't find anyone free at the call centre to put you through to
1004166;1422955315;cazalla;telemarketer
1004167;1422956038;punkman;cazalla: yeah most likely
1004168;1422958812;punkman;!up The20YearIRCloud
1004169;1422961474;[]bot;Bet placed: 1 BTC for No on "Light Sweet Crude Oil (WTI) to drop under $40 before Mar 2015" http://bitbet.us/bet/1096/ Odds: 18(Y):82(N) by coin, 26(Y):74(N) by weight. Total bet: 8.65433047 BTC. Current weight: 34,443.
1004170;1422961476;[]bot;Bet placed: 1 BTC for No on "Light Sweet Crude Oil (WTI) to drop under $30 before April" http://bitbet.us/bet/1112/ Odds: 14(Y):86(N) by coin, 14(Y):86(N) by weight. Total bet: 7.99351 BTC. Current weight: 85,744.
1004171;1422963571;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 1649 @ 0.0009468 = 1.5613 BTC [-] {10} 
1004172;1422964120;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 159 @ 0.00637779 = 1.0141 BTC [-]
1004173;1422966362;jurov;uff.. three discarded msgs from btc-dev?
1004174;1422967258;jurov;kakobrekla: is there a database? or any way to query http://w.b-a.link by keyid?
1004175;1422967350;jurov;!ident assbot
1004176;1422967356;jurov;!ident jurov
1004177;1422967377;jurov;;;ident jurov
1004178;1422967377;gribble;Nick 'jurov', with hostmask 'jurov!~jurov@impr-2-pt.tunnel.tserv5.lon1.ipv6.he.net', is not identified.
1004179;1422967594;jurov;i have found this but it won't work with short key ids: http://w.b-a.link/trust/7C1FBEC924FBD66531A02AE3F95E4E395927DC9C/FC66C0C5D98C42A1D4A98B6B42F9985AFAB953C4/json
1004180;1422967596;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1zafFiK )
1004181;1422967783;jurov;nah, querying by key id is bad idea anyway
1004182;1422968148;punkman;jurov, any idea why my msg was dropped?
1004183;1422968316;punkman;jurov, re:database http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=19-01-2015#983005
1004184;1422968316;assbot;Logged on 19-01-2015 05:25:29; kakobrekla: whoever was asking for wot db dumps http://files.bitcoin-assets.com/wot/
1004185;1422968386;jurov;and i was trying things like http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=wot+database
1004186;1422968387;assbot;8 results for 'wot database' - #bitcoin-assets search
1004187;1422968756;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 3350 @ 0.00094179 = 3.155 BTC [-] {2} 
1004188;1422970843;jurov;asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: was not able to determine why sig is bad. pls pastebin the original
1004189;1422970871;jurov;punkman: your email client wordwrapped the clearsigned text, i was able to undo it
1004190;1422970955;jurov;everyone PLEASE either wordwrap text before signing, or attach it as file so that email client as no chance to munge it (you can leave empty body then)
1004191;1422971804;davout;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-02-2015#1004094 <<< transactions usually make it accross chain forks
1004192;1422971804;assbot;Logged on 03-02-2015 05:11:42; trinque: should I be de-publishing things that ended up timestamped on a dropped fork?
1004193;1422971845;chetty;email that actually sends what you want and nothing else would be a worthy project :)
1004194;1422971861;punkman;^ if the block the bundle tx ends up in disappears, I think best idea is to make new tx
1004195;1422971971;punkman;fukken wordwrap!
1004196;1422971989;punkman;can't even find option to turn it off.
1004197;1422972046;jurov;which client?
1004198;1422972118;punkman;squirrelmail
1004199;1422972118;mod6;wow this thing ran all night wedged @ 168,000: but didn't die http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=384mvxXm
1004200;1422972119;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1DARIRw )
1004201;1422972122;mod6;wtf
1004202;1422972127;mod6;anyway, later.
1004203;1422972161;mod6;oh yeah, i stopped it for now. i'll mess with it later tonight.
1004204;1422972164;davout;re e-mail word-wrapping -> https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc2822#section-2.1.1
1004205;1422972166;assbot;RFC 2822 - Internet Message Format ... ( http://bit.ly/1DARU33 )
1004206;1422972221;davout;what looks like the correct solution -> https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc2045#section-6.7
1004207;1422972223;assbot;RFC 2045 - Multipurpose Internet Mail Extensions (MIME) Part One: Format of Internet Message Bodies ... ( http://bit.ly/1DAS76v )
1004208;1422972244;jurov;" to accommodate the many implementations of user interfaces that display these messages which may truncate, or disastrously wrap, the display of more than 78 characters per line" OMFG
1004209;1422972280;punkman;just piles of stupid
1004210;1422972314;jurov;if attached, it will get converted into quoted-printable or such. but few email clients are able to do it with body, too
1004211;1422972375;jurov;imma using the phrase "it got disastrously wrapped" from now on
1004212;1422972465;davout;kek
1004213;1422975099;PeterL;re generating seedlist: once conected, the node has a list of working connections, yes? So dump some data from our working nodes into a file, that is our new seedlist for new nodes. Update periodically for people to grab from Foundation website.
1004214;1422975351;coderwill;Hello, good day/evening all!
1004215;1422975369;PeterL;good morning coderwill
1004216;1422975400;coderwill;thanks
1004217;1422975412;PeterL;usually "good day" is what you say when you leave, not with hello ;)
1004218;1422975456;coderwill;hehe, I know a few latin americans that might disagree w/ that sentiment.
1004219;1422975491;PeterL;using English?
1004220;1422975597;coderwill;that's an interesting question - I would say yes, but that I debate whether or not that is actually English or a regionalism
1004221;1422975787;coderwill;If you ever read or listen to Alan Watts this topic gets really subjective. :)
1004222;1422975820;punkman;http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/speaking-of-science/wp/2015/01/29/you-can-earn-13000-a-year-selling-your-poop/
1004223;1422975821;assbot;You can earn $13,000 a year selling your poop - The Washington Post ... ( http://bit.ly/18KhJUR )
1004224;1422976471;PeterL;jorov: if messages get disastrously wrapped, could your program automatically unwrap them?
1004225;1422976808;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6400 @ 0.00038822 = 2.4846 BTC [-]
1004226;1422976869;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 132800 @ 0.00038242 = 50.7854 BTC [-]
1004227;1422977138;artifexd;Current gossipd status: Education still in progress.  Code to the point of loading keys and accepting connections.
1004228;1422977175;PeterL;which language are you writing it in?
1004229;1422977194;artifexd;Go
1004230;1422978007;lobbes;http://thebitcoin.foundation/index.html << I see y'all went for the 'hacker-green-and-black' after all
1004231;1422978008;assbot;..::[ The Bitcoin Foundation ]::.. ... ( http://bit.ly/1z7YzgA )
1004232;1422979470;jurov;lobbes, have you seen http://mpex.co/?r=1 ?
1004233;1422979554;jurov;PeterL: asciilifeform's email had about hundred lines. if you make me a code that can unwrap them right in polynomial time...
1004234;1422979803;mircea_popescu;trinque: these "key value stores" are a joke << you don't understand the power ranger power range!
1004235;1422979828;mircea_popescu;berkley db WAS NO GOOD because not modern enough. key value stores not a problem. those are good.
1004236;1422979873;mircea_popescu;trinque: should I be de-publishing things that ended up timestamped on a dropped fork? << things can't end up detimestamped in the first place.
1004237;1422979884;mircea_popescu;tx is either in the main chain or in the mempool. the forks/orphans/we are irrelevant.
1004238;1422979915;lobbes;jurov: aha, I had not for some time. I'm digging the new look
1004239;1422979964;mircea_popescu;fluffypony: "but WaffleDB is so much faster than mysql!" - which is a great argument if you're counting pageviews or storing log entries <<< yeah, which is a great argumrent too bad it's irrelevant.
1004240;1422980002;jurov;http://blogs.enterprisedb.com/2014/09/24/postgres-outperforms-mongodb-and-ushers-in-new-developer-reality/ incidentally.
1004241;1422980004;assbot;Postgres Outperforms MongoDB and Ushers in New Developer Reality «  The Postgres Blog from EnterpriseDB ... ( http://bit.ly/1AomvD3 )
1004242;1422980045;jurov;"new reality" my ass.
1004243;1422980067;mircea_popescu;no, it is. new "web" reality.
1004244;1422980080;mircea_popescu;ie, the reality produced by the "consensus" of the "community" of "developers" on twitter.
1004245;1422980132;thestringpuller;jurov: yea. that was a really big story when it first came out. A lot of people started migrating of mongodb
1004246;1422980147;thestringpuller;d00d in office used to joke about the mongodb coffee mugs they had given us
1004247;1422980166;thestringpuller;"I'm going to drill holes in the bottom of all the mugs to illustrate a point"
1004248;1422980168;mircea_popescu;mod6: still some 32400 nodes out there << no. look at that shit!
1004249;1422980180;mircea_popescu;there are 1433 nodes with 90% uptime
1004250;1422980201;jurov;!b 4
1004251;1422980202;assbot;Last 4 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/24JKHJD.txt )
1004252;1422980202;mircea_popescu;there are 323 nodes with 99% uptime.
1004253;1422980223;mircea_popescu;and just 60 with 99.9% uptime.
1004254;1422980234;thestringpuller;MP where are you getting these stats?
1004255;1422980238;mircea_popescu;people keep derping about uh oh, 7k nodes. BULLSHIT. we're down from 270k to 61.
1004256;1422980253;mircea_popescu;thestringpuller http://log.b-a.link/?date=03-02-2015#1004122
1004257;1422980253;assbot;Logged on 03-02-2015 05:21:45; asciilifeform: http://bitcoin.sipa.be/seeds.txt
1004258;1422980276;mircea_popescu;and whilke this massacre's going on, "uh oh, 20mb blocks, it will work fine"
1004259;1422980282;mircea_popescu;gavin's mother on black cocks will work fine.
1004260;1422980309;jurov;https://flavorwire.files.wordpress.com/2010/11/201011111141.jpg lil' gavin
1004261;1422980310;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1AonRha )
1004262;1422980321;mircea_popescu;"economic lolexperts in webeconomies have reviewed the fact that they have nfi what's what , what matters and where to look"
1004263;1422980333;mircea_popescu;according to the five year old, the burning house is no immediate cause of concern, he has his teddy.
1004264;1422980379;thestringpuller;MP how was this list created?
1004265;1422980392;thestringpuller;or is that ALF question?
1004266;1422980400;asciilifeform;jurov: if i attach it as attachment, will it display as normal message in turdatron (special case rule ?)
1004267;1422980418;mircea_popescu;thestringpuller go to -dev ask sipa
1004268;1422980418;asciilifeform;thestringpuller: see this_is_lame.txt
1004269;1422980422;mircea_popescu;why ask me!
1004270;1422980426;jurov;yes, clearsigned texts display directly in archive
1004271;1422980435;asciilifeform;^ that in fact was the letter that turdatron swallowed
1004272;1422980444;asciilifeform;http://www.loper-os.org/pub/this_is_lame.txt << copy
1004273;1422980446;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1uUg9V0 )
1004274;1422980459;jurov;ok, lemme see diff
1004275;1422980501;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform i read that off the mail list ?
1004276;1422980529;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: no you didn't
1004277;1422980537;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: you read the 'go for tea' letter
1004278;1422980547;asciilifeform;(there's a few lines of code from that one in here)
1004279;1422980548;mircea_popescu;what im not halucinating i saw a oh diff similar one ?
1004280;1422980561;jurov;alf, presumably your email client did this:
1004281;1422980562;asciilifeform;10 whole lines were same, i think
1004282;1422980562;jurov;< 1.33.197.110:8333 1 1422939389 99.99% 99.40% 99.29% 87.54% 74.50% 341734 00000001 70001 "/Satoshi:0.8.6/"
1004283;1422980564;jurov;> 1.33.197.110:8333 1 1422939389 99.99% 99.40% 99.29% 87.54% 74.50%
1004284;1422980565;jurov;> 341734 00000001 70001 "/Satoshi:0.8.6/"
1004285;1422980583;mircea_popescu;why are we calling him alf again ?
1004286;1422980603;*;asciilifeform doesn't know
1004287;1422980633;jurov;why not?
1004288;1422980642;mircea_popescu;trinque: who in the fuck let these bastards steal fire from the gods, and why wasn't I told about this? << but... http://c2.com/cgi/wiki?GreenspunsTenthRuleOfProgramming
1004289;1422980644;assbot;Greenspuns Tenth Rule Of Programming ... ( http://bit.ly/1uUgLKi )
1004290;1422980654;mircea_popescu;jurov sure but i thought there was some funny story involved
1004291;1422980667;jurov;!s alf
1004292;1422980668;assbot;40 results for 'alf' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=alf
1004293;1422980677;asciilifeform;incidentally, i have no idea who sipa is, but does appear to do much of the gruntwork in phoundation's bitcoind
1004294;1422980679;mircea_popescu;o hey good idea. why didn't i think of that!
1004295;1422980706;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform pieter wuille. one of the more sane people involved.
1004296;1422980708;asciilifeform;looks vaguely east asian in his github icon
1004297;1422980709;asciilifeform;aha
1004298;1422980726;mircea_popescu;currently doing something on sillycon funds with gmaxwell as a public whore.
1004299;1422980729;asciilifeform;seems like he wrote most or all of the post-0.5.3 stuff that actually works
1004300;1422980738;asciilifeform;e.g., the stuff i backported
1004301;1422980756;mircea_popescu;yes, a supermajority. bluematt did mopst of the post 0.5.3 testing that's not retarded,
1004302;1422980762;mircea_popescu;and there;'s a coupla more folks i wouldn'
1004303;1422980764;mircea_popescu;t negrate on sight
1004304;1422980796;asciilifeform;uptimes << who is surprised ?
1004305;1422980816;mircea_popescu;who with a clue is ever surprised by the facts of any matter in discussion ?
1004306;1422980829;asciilifeform;by definition, lol
1004307;1422980836;mircea_popescu;but the point is, since some of the brighter young minds on forum have taken to reading the logs, pointing out the plain obvious now and again is god's work
1004308;1422980880;asciilifeform;ergo the experiment described in this_is_lame.txt - probably did not say anything new to the folks here, but may benefit the students
1004309;1422980895;jurov;phoundation's seeds replaced with this_is_lame.txt, distributed
1004310;1422980915;jurov;mircea can do the same to get his email out
1004311;1422980933;asciilifeform;http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2015-February/000046.html << ty jurov
1004312;1422980933;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1AoqAY2 )
1004313;1422980954;mircea_popescu;jurov im reading the logs see why my email died, haven't gotten therer yet but will presently.
1004314;1422981057;mircea_popescu;"All programs have been written, and that program is Lisp. With perfection already attained, implementation is left to the ignorant who do not already know the truth of this." << shit, now i know why i don't code.
1004315;1422981060;mircea_popescu;"solved problem'
1004316;1422981179;mircea_popescu;fluffypony: no no wait, BarnacleChains << win.
1004317;1422981199;asciilifeform;262474.
1004318;1422981203;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform: jurov: without so much as a burp. << you knoiw you keep saying this, but it's an email drop. how would you want it to burp ?
1004319;1422981208;mircea_popescu;if it did, how would you hear it.
1004320;1422981216;asciilifeform;it has no mouth
1004321;1422981218;asciilifeform;cannot burp
1004322;1422981220;asciilifeform;but frustrating.
1004323;1422981227;mircea_popescu;short of implementing the phantomcircuit hack and emailing everyone who ever emailed it anythging the whole error log every time
1004324;1422981236;asciilifeform;at least we oughta bake a 'lint' for these msgs
1004325;1422981242;asciilifeform;i'll probably do it
1004326;1422981282;mircea_popescu;punkman: always makes me think "is this the day I get droned?" << just checking the line's still live.
1004327;1422981335;thestringpuller;!s this_is_lame.txt
1004328;1422981336;assbot;1 results for 'this_is_lame.txt' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=this_is_lame.txt
1004329;1422981356;TomServo;I noticed a fully-synced node maintains its IRC connection.  I was curious if that's desirable, and also if that means you're made a candidate to fill other nodes?
1004330;1422981388;jurov;asciilifeform: how do you propose the lint would work? run on saved mailbox?
1004331;1422981431;mircea_popescu;TomServo the latter yes.
1004332;1422981525;jurov;in any webmail, you can save the finished message as draft and then try to gpg verify the text. that should take care of 90% of above problems
1004333;1422981645;mircea_popescu;jurov http://pastebin.com/eYVsfbYD << pastebin of original
1004334;1422981646;assbot;-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----  Hash: SHA512    The enclosed 1386667 bytes f - Pastebin.com ... ( http://bit.ly/1AoubVU )
1004335;1422981738;mircea_popescu;chetty: email that actually sends what you want and nothing else would be a worthy project :) << better than darmkail and other bs at any rate.
1004336;1422981786;mircea_popescu;punkman: ^ if the block the bundle tx ends up in disappears, I think best idea is to make new tx << no. there's exactly no reason for deedbot to have block awareness. if the tx disappears, it should not notice.
1004337;1422981788;mircea_popescu;so that we will.
1004338;1422981868;mircea_popescu;jurov:  " to accommodate the many implementations of <<< specification made to accomodate the implementation. welcome to the world of braindamage, or where do you think civil engineers that flunked go ? computer science!
1004339;1422981888;mircea_popescu;"here's a bridge building specification to accomodate the many bad bridges build all over the country" said nobody ever.
1004340;1422981955;mircea_popescu;PeterL: re generating seedlist: once conected, the node has a list of working connections, yes? So dump some data from our working nodes into a file, that is our new seedlist for new nodes. Update periodically for people to grab from Foundation website. << not substantially different from the "scan the web" notion. more democracy.
1004341;1422981966;mircea_popescu;a node of unknown provenance doesn't exist.
1004342;1422981979;mircea_popescu;would you eat a chunk of cheesy-looking substance you found on the sidewalk ?
1004343;1422981983;trinque;punkman: "droned" << heh, I just got a call from a weird number saying they received a package addressed to me
1004344;1422981988;trinque;...anthrax!
1004345;1422981998;mircea_popescu;why then would you read nobody's opinion in the newspaper or try to digest a random chunk of online nonsense.
1004346;1422982185;trinque;mircea_popescu: and apparently http://c2.com/cgi/wiki?GreencoddsTenthRuleOfProgramming
1004347;1422982187;assbot;Greencodds Tenth Rule Of Programming ... ( http://bit.ly/1AowacR )
1004348;1422982187;mircea_popescu;jurov btw i can guarantee my client did no skullduggery to the email. i have the outgoing saved as sent by the mta.
1004349;1422982187;thestringpuller;asciilifeform: i am suprised list has nothing under 0.8
1004350;1422982198;thestringpuller;does this mean phoundation is trying to hijack nodes?
1004351;1422982200;mircea_popescu;thestringpuller it
1004352;1422982204;mircea_popescu;'s not a very good list.
1004353;1422982204;thestringpuller;Iterpret the results for me
1004354;1422982250;jurov;mircea_popescu: your pastebin doesn't verify
1004355;1422982256;mircea_popescu;eh get out ?!
1004356;1422982274;jurov;show raw, saved it and... bad sig
1004357;1422982277;mircea_popescu;jesuswtf
1004358;1422982443;mircea_popescu;well... resigning
1004359;1422982653;mircea_popescu;ok my client is doing some unspecified mangling somewhere wtf.
1004360;1422982848;mircea_popescu;jurov resent, with signed material attached as file. still nothing there apparently.
1004361;1422982910;mircea_popescu;artifexd: Current gossipd status: Education still in progress. Code to the point of loading keys and accepting connections. << sounds pretty good.
1004362;1422983161;asciilifeform;jurov: lint would be run locally. by the rest of us.
1004363;1422983192;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform http://c2.com/cgi/wiki?ErikNaggum << check that out.
1004364;1422983193;assbot;Erik Naggum ... ( http://bit.ly/1AoA2uh )
1004365;1422983208;mircea_popescu;funny how things change. "PaulGraham's evil twin." ? rly ?
1004366;1422983220;asciilifeform;email that actually sends what you want and nothing else would be a worthy project << would have to be present at every hop of the message. a direly implausible project, sadly
1004367;1422983244;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform just let it SEND what you want.
1004368;1422983265;mircea_popescu;you know ? i'm all ready to go back to bang paths over here.
1004369;1422983306;TomServo;he railed against using period << ?!
1004370;1422983307;mircea_popescu;just as long as i get back the control, i see no problem with !derp!herp!router!alf
1004371;1422983316;asciilifeform;"here's a bridge building specification to accomodate the many bad bridges build all over the country" said nobody ever. << the space scuttle was, according to legend, sized so that the typical american bridge could safely pass it. likewise legend holds that this was just short of true, and many bridges (not to mention roads) had lives considerably shortened by the scuttle
1004372;1422983451;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform you mean the shuttle ?!
1004373;1422983472;asciilifeform;aye
1004374;1422983477;mircea_popescu;it lands at an airport like everything else dunnit ?
1004375;1422983489;TomServo;"Whoever decided to use the semicolon to end something should just be taken out and have his colon semified. (At least COBOL and SQL managed to use a period.)" heh
1004376;1422983489;asciilifeform;the tanks
1004377;1422983492;asciilifeform;had to travel
1004378;1422983499;asciilifeform;for political reasons - full
1004379;1422983510;asciilifeform;then it was assembled and launched
1004380;1422983513;asciilifeform;every time.
1004381;1422983531;*;asciilifeform thought this was commonly known
1004382;1422983540;asciilifeform;perhaps not outside of gringolandia
1004383;1422983541;mircea_popescu;oh oh
1004384;1422983600;mircea_popescu;TomServo i dunno why he's so strung up on it ; semicolon is perfectly fine way to end things ; it also happens to be the traditional english ending of "separable entities that are for ulterior reasons strung together".
1004385;1422983627;asciilifeform;!up the_scourge
1004386;1422983645;TomServo;Came across that looking for a tirade against the period - asciilifeform any help?
1004387;1422983661;asciilifeform;TomServo: can't recall such a thing
1004388;1422983675;the_scourge;rehi
1004389;1422983691;the_scourge;need to put a warning about needing a cloak in this chan :)
1004390;1422983705;asciilifeform;we used to have one
1004391;1422983732;asciilifeform;then ddoser took a vacation, it sorta vanished
1004392;1422983755;the_scourge;um... recently? as in the last 5 hours? :)
1004393;1422983776;the_scourge;i JUST got ddos'd once last night and twice earlier today
1004394;1422983786;asciilifeform;then we can presume he's back in business.
1004395;1422983797;the_scourge;yes very much so
1004396;1422983803;mircea_popescu;more like back in hobby.
1004397;1422983808;asciilifeform;the_scourge: didja measure?
1004398;1422983821;the_scourge;and it was one of the more impressive ones i've ever seen, and i used to see top quality ones on a daily basis
1004399;1422983852;the_scourge;asciilifeform: it totally saturated at least 2 full gigabit fibre terminii
1004400;1422983872;mircea_popescu;packet count is more on point.
1004401;1422983900;asciilifeform;the_scourge: from packet dumps taken by myself and at least 2 other folks here, appears that mr. ddos uses mainly 'amplification' method (ssdp, ntp)
1004402;1422983919;the_scourge;but what's most interesting is the shape of the traffic and the packets... i was plugged into a sub-campus and it would appear that it was using dynamic discovery protocol over http for amplification (using any device that supports it)
1004403;1422983947;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 73600 @ 0.0003716 = 27.3498 BTC [-]
1004404;1422983947;asciilifeform;it is actually a bit hard to take a proper capture of ddos (as in, all or even most of the packets) with common equipment
1004405;1422983947;the_scourge;yes it was ssdp, i couldn't remember (brain fart and i'm home chilling)
1004406;1422983977;the_scourge;asciilifeform: the network guys at $my_client are actually top-notch
1004407;1422983982;asciilifeform;well sure
1004408;1422983985;asciilifeform;but that's what makes it a dos
1004409;1422983994;asciilifeform;overwhelms routing equipment
1004410;1422984003;the_scourge;they brought a wireshark dump over to my desk
1004411;1422984005;asciilifeform;you end up with, at best, a statistical sample
1004412;1422984011;the_scourge;asciilifeform: oh yah totally
1004413;1422984016;asciilifeform;the_scourge: would you care to post it publicly ?
1004414;1422984029;the_scourge;i didn't ask for the USB stick
1004415;1422984047;mircea_popescu;cool story bro.
1004416;1422984068;the_scourge;this is a paying client. even though everything pointed to me being targeted, i still didn't want to make more noise than i already had
1004417;1422984087;asciilifeform;we have at least two posted by regulars - one that was entirely ssdp (from buggy upnp in consumer routers) and another that was mostly ntp (likewise misconfigured embedded electronics)
1004418;1422984114;the_scourge;oh weird
1004419;1422984122;the_scourge;this definitely had ntp as well
1004420;1422984162;asciilifeform;the_scourge: i've discovered that cellular modems, at least in the way they are operated in usa, are immune to this type of ddos.
1004421;1422984165;asciilifeform;funnily enough
1004422;1422984172;asciilifeform;(they are nearly useless for everyday life)
1004423;1422984195;the_scourge;and sadly i was on a VERY VERY VERY large very flat network with more class A IPs than ... almost any other entity on the planet. and lots of buggy ssdp routers all over the place 'cause of the (phys) architecture
1004424;1422984198;asciilifeform;the telco drops anything at all coming your way that isn't part of a tcp connection you established earlier
1004425;1422984232;jurov;mircea_popescu: the email is out, after a bugfix (to account for application/pgp mimetype properly)
1004426;1422984237;mircea_popescu;this is how it's supposed to work anyway
1004427;1422984240;the_scourge;asciilifeform: yah we ended up having to use another contractor's LTE just to try to google some of the fingerprints
1004428;1422984245;mircea_popescu;jurov yay!
1004429;1422984264;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2015-February/000047.html
1004430;1422984264;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1AoEjhi )
1004431;1422984271;*;the_scourge needs to get LTE of some kind but is a bit of a nutter about that kinda shit
1004432;1422984289;mircea_popescu;jurov uh but how do i fin the file ?
1004433;1422984301;mircea_popescu;o nm lol
1004434;1422984305;mircea_popescu;found it.
1004435;1422984322;asciilifeform;the_scourge: LTE << what country ?
1004436;1422984419;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: ty!
1004437;1422984425;mircea_popescu;!up sergiohlb
1004438;1422984438;the_scourge;asciilifeform: UK for most business needs
1004439;1422984444;mircea_popescu;in unrelated news, i dreamed up a new licensing model which teh foundation and us generally might wish to consdier.
1004440;1422984452;mircea_popescu;ima write it up and lookingforward to comments.
1004441;1422984480;the_scourge;also, north america sometimes. but right now i just need a UK dongle that has chinese backdoors instead of american
1004442;1422984518;the_scourge;do the russians make LTE hotspots? they've started making smartphones with e-ink, but it's a shame i didn't hear about it until after i went off of smartphones entirely
1004443;1422984533;asciilifeform;the_scourge: 'sparkfun corp.' sells a lte simcard good for 6 months, ~80 usd
1004444;1422984541;asciilifeform;usa-only iirc
1004445;1422984560;asciilifeform;the_scourge: huawei corp makes lte modems
1004446;1422984694;asciilifeform;!rate the_scourge 1 new blood, seems like a reasonable fella
1004447;1422984694;assbot;the_scourge is not registered in WoT.
1004448;1422984704;the_scourge;assbot is a liar
1004449;1422984706;asciilifeform;get in wot the_scourge
1004450;1422984709;asciilifeform;rly?
1004451;1422984713;the_scourge;i thought i was... one sec
1004452;1422984747;the_scourge;oh wait, i've only set up my gpg key, do i need to associate a bitcoin address as well?
1004453;1422984751;asciilifeform;nope
1004454;1422984755;asciilifeform;gpg suffices
1004455;1422984768;asciilifeform;are you logged in under same nick ?
1004456;1422984796;the_scourge;16:45 <gribble> You are now authenticated for user the_scourge with key 300A9F6A3D0564B4
1004457;1422984800;the_scourge;^ yes
1004458;1422984803;asciilifeform;http://bitcoin-otc.com/viewgpg.php?nick=the_scourge
1004459;1422984803;assbot;#bitcoin-otc gpg key data ... ( http://bit.ly/1AoFYDR )
1004460;1422984806;PeterL;aha, needs to be assbot
1004461;1422984822;asciilifeform;kakobrekla, is the_scourge in the new assbot wot ?
1004462;1422984825;the_scourge;oh of course
1004463;1422984844;the_scourge;do i just do the same dance with assbot?
1004464;1422984866;the_scourge;the docs made it seem like assbot used the otc WOT
1004465;1422984886;PeterL;http://wiki.bitcoin-assets.com/irc_bots/assbot
1004466;1422984886;assbot;irc_bots:assbot [bitcoin assets wiki] ... ( http://bit.ly/1vn4pjB )
1004467;1422984886;asciilifeform;the_scourge: not long ago, kakobrekla finished a rework of wot. so there are a few hiccups
1004468;1422984922;asciilifeform;try the '!register' function
1004469;1422985021;the_scourge;with.... gribble?
1004470;1422985025;asciilifeform;with assbot
1004471;1422985033;asciilifeform;see the earlier link
1004472;1422985149;chetty;That�s right � 77 percent of 18- to 34-year-olds in the new survey could not name even one US senator in their home state
1004473;1422985200;asciilifeform;chetty: expect this number to reach 99+ as the residual fucks given re: political apparatus waft away
1004474;1422985210;chetty; more than nine in 10 of the 18- to 34-year-olds plan to vote in the 2016
1004475;1422985229;trinque;how hard is it to pick a favorite color out of two?
1004476;1422985236;asciilifeform;chetty: a good many otherwise well-informed, educated folks in late ussr could not name very many muppets either
1004477;1422985283;chetty;well it has rather ceased to matter, get screwed by the red or by the blue, who cares
1004478;1422985308;asciilifeform;folks enjoy the ritual of 'choosing' left- or right-handed thread on the screw
1004479;1422985421;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: seems like your post was originally rejected by turdatron because it did not contain a machine-readable signature for the tarball
1004480;1422985441;asciilifeform;your statement that said tarball must not be used except for research should have gone into the signed message body
1004481;1422985469;asciilifeform;turdatron wants a machine-readable standalone sig (just the --pgp-- block) for every attachment.
1004482;1422985474;asciilifeform;!up the_scourge
1004483;1422985488;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform if it's not in the signed body where did you get it from ?
1004484;1422985501;asciilifeform;http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/attachments/20150203/header-bitcoin-src-21may2012_8b34d7ebf677c0fb6434ef87c18492857af9e391.asc
1004485;1422985502;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1F2rFDD )
1004486;1422985533;asciilifeform;http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2015-February/000047.html << i think jurov slipped this through manually. there is no message body, signed or otherwise
1004487;1422985534;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1F2rNDa )
1004488;1422985575;jurov;yes, on it
1004489;1422985581;jurov;it should show body
1004490;1422985613;asciilifeform;jurov: that's not the problem i'm talking about. rather, the fact that turdatron could not possibly have processed this message on its own.
1004491;1422985623;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform there is no message body cause when i put it in the body it got mangled to hell
1004492;1422985656;mircea_popescu;anyway, explain to me like i'm slow, there's a problem with the thing as presented ?
1004493;1422985668;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: turdatron, as originally built, expects a pattern like this: http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2015-February/000040.html
1004494;1422985669;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1F2s5dh )
1004495;1422985670;mircea_popescu;you get a hash of the file and an explanation of purpose in the signed attachment, seems reasonable ?
1004496;1422985672;jurov;mircea_popescu: it is supposed to show directly the clearsigned text that was used to validate the message
1004497;1422985686;asciilifeform;there is (optionally) message body; then, for each attachment, there is a detached-sig
1004498;1422985686;mircea_popescu;jurov oh as opposed to attached ?
1004499;1422985689;jurov;regardless of any other attachemnts
1004500;1422985709;mircea_popescu;oh i c
1004501;1422985723;mircea_popescu;jurov can convention be that if body is empty 1st attachment = body ?
1004502;1422985731;mircea_popescu;(somehoiw i thought this was the case)
1004503;1422985736;asciilifeform;i think jurov is working on that one
1004504;1422985742;mircea_popescu;aha okies.
1004505;1422985750;mircea_popescu;poor jurov, he's getting stretched here.
1004506;1422985750;jurov;yes, that's what i'm doing. it just insists that application/pgp is not text
1004507;1422985754;asciilifeform;this was, afaik, the only known answer to the mutilations
1004508;1422985777;mircea_popescu;well it is not text, technically, because you can also send it as binary.
1004509;1422985802;mircea_popescu;should i force clearsigned material be saved as .txt ?
1004510;1422985803;jurov;wait, you can clearsign in binary?
1004511;1422985812;mircea_popescu;nope. but i could have, and the file'd have been .asc too
1004512;1422985823;jurov;yes, saving it as txt would help. but best to fix it for once.
1004513;1422985826;mircea_popescu;(i imagine it goes by file extension)
1004514;1422985983;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes, mod6: http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2015-February/000046.html << comments/thoughts ?
1004515;1422985984;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1F2t25m )
1004516;1422986152;the_scourge;will assbot search long keyids on keys.gnupg.net?
1004517;1422986265;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform not surprised in the slightest ?
1004518;1422986274;mircea_popescu;it's not me trying to build a parallel, closed universe.
1004519;1422986367;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: purpose of experiment was to demonstrate the fact of.
1004520;1422986369;asciilifeform;(said universe)
1004521;1422986405;mircea_popescu;yup. and in that it succeeds.
1004522;1422986501;the_scourge;asciilifeform: who was asserting that there were nodes < v0.8
1004523;1422986506;asciilifeform;the_scourge: no one.
1004524;1422986527;asciilifeform;the_scourge: but i was digging for proof that a) there are < 0.8 nodes in the candidate list b) none were selected
1004525;1422986531;asciilifeform;and found it.
1004526;1422986555;the_scourge;oh yah i see
1004527;1422986588;asciilifeform;punkman et al: http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2015-February/000048.html
1004528;1422986589;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1F2uqEV )
1004529;1422986597;the_scourge;why would they select such a node? surely no reason other than "this operator is keeping up to date" would need to be given
1004530;1422986611;asciilifeform;the_scourge: if, say, it were a random selection
1004531;1422986614;the_scourge;reading
1004532;1422986625;asciilifeform;the_scourge: the only genuine oddity is that the selection process was not described
1004533;1422986636;asciilifeform;or, at the very least, i was not able to find such a description
1004534;1422986639;asciilifeform;in their published material
1004535;1422986649;asciilifeform;if it is in there after all - i'd appreciate a pointer.
1004536;1422986683;the_scourge;right
1004537;1422986701;the_scourge;i'm being a mong with this !register command
1004538;1422986702;asciilifeform;my current working hypothesis is that the 512-list contains 'stratfors' or similar animals
1004539;1422986724;asciilifeform;little burrowing underground animals
1004540;1422986730;the_scourge;i've given it my long key id... it says invalid (so quickly i have a hard time believing it even did a search)
1004541;1422986747;asciilifeform;kakobrekla ^
1004542;1422986751;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 1637 @ 0.00096996 = 1.5878 BTC [+] {2} 
1004543;1422986764;asciilifeform;ask kakobrekla when he awakens
1004544;1422986770;asciilifeform;he is the author of assbot
1004545;1422986776;the_scourge;cool thanks
1004546;1422986816;the_scourge;idk man i appreciate your sleuthing and keep it up but holding the btc foundation's feet to the fire will NEVER work
1004547;1422986834;asciilifeform;what means 'work' in this context
1004548;1422986834;asciilifeform;?
1004549;1422986860;the_scourge;like we're back in a weird 'sleuth and journalist > public opinion' game which was lost a LONG time ago
1004550;1422986908;asciilifeform;the_scourge: you will find that one of the more interesting ideas we run with in #b-a is that public opinion isn't a particularly interesting concept re: bitcoin
1004551;1422986919;asciilifeform;it's rather like public opinion of the atomic bomb
1004552;1422986926;the_scourge;well i take it your goal is to prevent nefarious hijacking of bitcoind, done in such a way that everyone upgrades and long after it is realized that the network is resultingly compromised?
1004553;1422986935;asciilifeform;not especially enthusiastic, but it doesn't keep the neutrons in
1004554;1422986936;the_scourge;which, the seed nodes would be a good vector for such a thing
1004555;1422987012;the_scourge;ok, but public opinion will determine who uses what version/implementation of bitcoind, and a seed node can be packaged with said distribution
1004556;1422987018;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform http://trilema.com/2015/a-new-software-licensing-paradigm/ <
1004557;1422987018;assbot;A new software licensing paradigm pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.  ... ( http://bit.ly/1F2vwAL )
1004558;1422987029;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes mod6 ^ does that sound like something teh foundation might support ?
1004559;1422987035;asciilifeform;the protocol is sufficiently well-designed, and vintage nodes sufficiently abundant (esp. among miners) that said hijacking presents little more than an annoyance at present (see mod6's experiment last night.)
1004560;1422987058;the_scourge;is the experiment discussed in last night's logs?
1004561;1422987058;asciilifeform;but it does not follow that, if you can hear mice in the walls but have not yet discovered their turds in your cupboards - mice are harmless and ought to be let alone
1004562;1422987063;asciilifeform;the_scourge: yes
1004563;1422987100;mircea_popescu;<the_scourge> like we're back in a weird 'sleuth and journalist > public opinion' game which was lost a LONG time ago << public opinion only matters in fiat backed worlds.
1004564;1422987107;mircea_popescu;in gold backed words, that game wasn't lost, nor was it ever played.
1004565;1422987127;the_scourge;right so you're saying nefarious things are being attempted but the attempts are hopeless even within the main branch of blockchain
1004566;1422987143;mircea_popescu;part of why we're here is exactly that : making paper money impossible -> making the welfare governments impossible -> making the "public oppiunion" impossible -> undo the numerous errors of the 20th century.
1004567;1422987166;the_scourge;mircea_popescu: right, i was talking about the world at large. you can stick a fork in journalistic integrity, it's done
1004568;1422987179;the_scourge;er, maybe i blame the mob more than their journalists... whatever
1004569;1422987181;mircea_popescu;you can also stick a fork in "representative democracy" equally done.
1004570;1422987205;the_scourge;20th century? a bit myopic? otherwise i agree
1004571;1422987269;mircea_popescu;jurov o splendid, i got a mod notice and everything. i like how this works.
1004572;1422987274;mircea_popescu;!up Jrum
1004573;1422987281;the_scourge;wanting to undo the new deal and sufferage etc only makes you a slightly redder republican, or a backbencher tory
1004574;1422987305;asciilifeform;!up the_scourge
1004575;1422987404;mircea_popescu;im neither. i'm a fucking guelph. that's a white flag you see behind, and the battle is for imperial immediacy not bs.
1004576;1422987425;the_scourge;ok, so other than the microscope paper (which is a bit high-level) what exactly can/should/could be done with bitcoin itself? why not just skip to working on the other stuff and let the existing bitcoin maintainers work out their shit. there are plenty of people who oppose the foundation already
1004577;1422987456;asciilifeform;which is the 'other stuff'
1004578;1422987458;the_scourge;imperial immediacy ... gonna have to look that one up :)
1004579;1422987461;asciilifeform;particle physics ?
1004580;1422987482;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: i propose name 'piratic license'
1004581;1422987515;the_scourge;asciilifeform: comms, hardware, 'corporate' governance, sovereignty techology
1004582;1422987523;asciilifeform;or, if you prefer something more orcish, the hajduk licence.
1004583;1422987542;asciilifeform;the_scourge: this means bitcoin in much the same way that computing means semiconductor.
1004584;1422987548;the_scourge;admittedly, that last one consists of 'shit that already exists' - small unit tactics. but a lot of it is high-tech and needs work
1004585;1422987575;asciilifeform;bitcoin - the actual bitcoin, that, contrary to popular notion, still functions - is the semiconductor for all of these.
1004586;1422987581;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform nah, let them come up with that.
1004587;1422987588;chetty;when did Erik Voorhees get to be a 'VC' ?
1004588;1422987591;mircea_popescu;name should be based on the actual world not on the current
1004589;1422987609;mircea_popescu;chetty perhaps once stalin gave him a license ?
1004590;1422987611;the_scourge;a victoria cross ... omg
1004591;1422987615;*;asciilifeform likes names based on distant pasts
1004592;1422987638;mircea_popescu;the_scourge the notion that anyone works on bitcoin or in any manner relevant to bitcoin outside of this channel is laughable on its face.
1004593;1422987678;asciilifeform;the_scourge: 'vc' around here typically refers to the american financial term
1004594;1422987688;the_scourge;cool, can you clarify? i like prose so feel free to link
1004595;1422987694;asciilifeform;'venture capital'
1004596;1422987704;the_scourge;asciilifeform: i know i make good joke!?
1004597;1422987710;asciilifeform;it's more sad than funny
1004598;1422987725;asciilifeform;though i prefer 'vulture capital'
1004599;1422987734;chetty;well last I heard he was a convict, so I guess we know who is greasing his palm
1004600;1422987765;mircea_popescu;never went to trial did he ?
1004601;1422987786;asciilifeform;chetty: iirc he was fined in a civil court
1004602;1422987786;chetty;plea afaik
1004603;1422987806;asciilifeform;more like a traffic violation (with bigger numbers) than a criminal matter
1004604;1422987810;asciilifeform;but - ianal!
1004605;1422987830;asciilifeform;in ru world this is called 'administrative penalty'
1004606;1422987866;the_scourge;mircea_popescu: can you elaborate on your assertion? i don't like making assumptions
1004607;1422987873;chetty;riiight, and I am sure he will now be a good boy
1004608;1422987874;asciilifeform;(possible criminal complaint if you don't pay, and referred to collections apparatus as a civil debt)
1004609;1422987906;mircea_popescu;the_scourge which one
1004610;1422987972;the_scourge;"the notion that anyone"
1004611;1422988013;mircea_popescu;seems pretty plain.
1004612;1422988066;the_scourge;ok well define 'bitcoin' then in the context... like it or not LOTS of people are working on lots of implementations which lots of people are using/will use
1004613;1422988089;the_scourge;so if we're talking about the main fork of the chain, then... idk you have to ellaborate
1004614;1422988107;asciilifeform;the_scourge: you may be aware that bitcoin network does not function by 'vote' of the nodes.
1004615;1422988120;asciilifeform;but in a rather different way
1004616;1422988142;scoopbot;New post on Trilema by Mircea Popescu: http://trilema.com/2015/a-new-software-licensing-paradigm/
1004617;1422988175;mircea_popescu;define bitcoin ?! any and all blockchain based, mining enforced, elecrtronic currencies.
1004618;1422988195;kakobrekla;the_scourge see pm.
1004619;1422988199;mircea_popescu;the particulars are discussed in http://trilema.com/2014/the-woes-of-altcoin-or-why-there-is-no-such-thing-as-cryptocurrencies/
1004620;1422988199;assbot;The woes of Altcoin, or why there is no such thing as "cryptocurrencies" pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.  ... ( http://bit.ly/1IGVwSi )
1004621;1422988206;mircea_popescu;the generals are that you can have only one monetized good
1004622;1422988218;mircea_popescu;all the others are derivatives of its monetization, they can't have their own.
1004623;1422988279;the_scourge;i read that article, it seemed to be saying that smaller POW protocols would always be subject to hardness attacks
1004624;1422988306;mircea_popescu;more generally, that nothing other than bitcoin can really exist
1004625;1422988368;asciilifeform;see also the works of tom schelling
1004626;1422988379;asciilifeform;(game theorist)
1004627;1422988384;mircea_popescu;or whatever, five centuries of macroeconomics discussions.
1004628;1422988409;asciilifeform;n centuries of geometrywank < euclid
1004629;1422988439;mircea_popescu;they just hold some sentimental appeal for me :)
1004630;1422988461;mircea_popescu;sorta like redditard'd go "see collected manga works" or w/e.
1004631;1422988525;the_scourge;right, but for the issue at present: POW will always be vulnerable to hardness attacks, because there are bad?unlikeable?big? people in the world who can do a lot of work and ruin the fun for everyone, even if we ignore their fork of the chain. btc got very lucky in that it slipped under the radar, but that will never happen again in history. the wardens have been alerted
1004632;1422988536;the_scourge;am i ... doing it justice? so far?
1004633;1422988546;mircea_popescu;bitcoin stable state is where > 50% of all energy generated on planet earth goes to mininmg.
1004634;1422988556;the_scourge;right
1004635;1422988571;mircea_popescu;and it won't be "the wardens"
1004636;1422988584;mircea_popescu;the wardens are dead. the invisible hand however... myeah.
1004637;1422988634;mircea_popescu;you can always derive a profit by attacking unmonetized goods, or rather ; by exploiting the false claim of anyone putting forth an unmonetized good as money.
1004638;1422988645;mircea_popescu;as soros proved for the benefit of the bank of england.
1004639;1422988681;mircea_popescu;which is why i don't particularly mind gavin trying to create a scamcoin, nor whatever "public oppinion" support he may muster.
1004640;1422988685;mircea_popescu;more money is always welcome.
1004641;1422988693;ben_vulpes;ah jesus
1004642;1422988709;ben_vulpes;over a thousand log lines
1004643;1422988715;mircea_popescu;good stuff too.
1004644;1422988897;the_scourge;!rate kakobrekla 1 helped me register
1004645;1422988897;assbot;the_scourge is not registered in WoT.
1004646;1422988907;ben_vulpes;!b 2
1004647;1422988908;assbot;Last 2 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/1NY6W1Q.txt )
1004648;1422988917;ben_vulpes;humbug.
1004649;1422988923;the_scourge;wut
1004650;1422988923;asciilifeform;the_scourge: gotta be in wot and logged in to press that button
1004651;1422988925;asciilifeform;thinkaboutit
1004652;1422988946;the_scourge;yah ... i thought i was (again)
1004653;1422988949;kakobrekla;err, there is no session to be 'logged in'
1004654;1422988953;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform there;s no logged in
1004655;1422988953;asciilifeform;else every sp4mz0r would be rated $maxint
1004656;1422988954;mircea_popescu;damned.
1004657;1422988962;asciilifeform;well authenticated
1004658;1422988967;mircea_popescu;mnop :D
1004659;1422988969;kakobrekla;neg
1004660;1422988972;mircea_popescu;yay!
1004661;1422988976;kakobrekla;stfu
1004662;1422988981;the_scourge;!rate kakobrekla 1 helped me register
1004663;1422988981;assbot;You must be rated before you can rate.
1004664;1422988985;kakobrekla;aha!
1004665;1422988989;kakobrekla;see, it works.
1004666;1422988990;the_scourge;yay!
1004667;1422989006;trinque;m-my blockchain... 'tis to the 18th of the present month!
1004668;1422989009;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 200 @ 0.0056089 = 1.1218 BTC [-] {9} 
1004669;1422989015;the_scourge;grrr it was UX issues ... tmux buffers + whitespace.... more excuses, more excuses
1004670;1422989017;mircea_popescu;trinque pogo ?
1004671;1422989019;asciilifeform;!rate the_scourge 1 new blood, seems like a reasonable fella, presently
1004672;1422989019;assbot;Request successful, get your OTP: http://w.b-a.link/otp/2eb0c3750b5032de
1004673;1422989026;kakobrekla;asciilifeform each auth-worthy command gets otp
1004674;1422989032;trinque;mircea_popescu: having read logs it seems like everything I was worrying about regarding timestamp-transactions is moot
1004675;1422989040;mircea_popescu;ye
1004676;1422989040;the_scourge;!rate kakobrekla 1 top man
1004677;1422989040;assbot;You must be rated before you can rate.
1004678;1422989055;the_scourge;er apparently having a 1 isn't good enough to give it away
1004679;1422989056;kakobrekla;he must !verify first
1004680;1422989060;asciilifeform;!v assbot:asciilifeform.rate.the_scourge.1:97ebe29eec56db08f42ab0fbddfb4b60375c862c3ec0412baac3b1e9b0f39e28
1004681;1422989060;assbot;Successfully added a rating of 1 for the_scourge with note: new blood, seems like a reasonable fella, presently
1004682;1422989062;trinque;ben_vulpes and I were talking about blockchain forks when last we hacked it up, but I guess that does not mean transactions will have to be retransmitted?
1004683;1422989063;kakobrekla;now you can.
1004684;1422989068;kakobrekla;the_scourge ^^
1004685;1422989069;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 1906 @ 0.00096996 = 1.8487 BTC [+] {2} 
1004686;1422989070;the_scourge;!rate kakobrekla 1 top man
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1004688;1422989074;thestringpuller;so will raising VC capital soon be viewed as a negative sign for a company
1004689;1422989083;mircea_popescu;depends where.
1004690;1422989089;trinque;mircea_popescu: this blockchain is for deedbot
1004691;1422989096;mircea_popescu;trinque  a cool
1004692;1422989119;thestringpuller;well sometimes it seems "blah raised x money" and you're like "why do they need that money so badly? Are they having trouble staying alive?"
1004693;1422989139;asciilifeform;the_scourge: you can now self-voice, as described in the assbot manual (message it with !up)
1004694;1422989151;thestringpuller;!up Jrum the_scourge
1004695;1422989155;trinque;I thought I was going to have to re-chew the blockchain up from first funding each time to see whether "new shit had come to light"
1004696;1422989159;thestringpuller;!up the_scourge
1004697;1422989175;the_scourge;uh, i verified but assbot didn't announce it in here...
1004698;1422989198;the_scourge;is it ok to verify in channel or is that too chatty
1004699;1422989207;mircea_popescu;generally you send assbot !up in a pm
1004700;1422989209;thestringpuller;mircea_popescu: there is too much serial raising of funds. like its a mental illness or something.
1004701;1422989226;mircea_popescu;thestringpuller you ever read that crooked timber tyhing about the bezzle was in log yest ?
1004702;1422989231;trinque;thestringpuller: its like a fractured version of central economic planning
1004703;1422989231;mircea_popescu;very good summary of a lot of problems.
1004704;1422989243;asciilifeform;thestringpuller: if a leprous beggar could rent out space in his necrotic arsehole by the hour, to several clients in parallel, why wouldn't he
1004705;1422989260;mircea_popescu;trinque quite exactly. accidental central planning and laika is alone in the control center.
1004706;1422989263;thestringpuller;mircea_popescu: i have not.
1004707;1422989264;trinque;was talking with someone the other day about how the american system of govt is a shattered sovereign
1004708;1422989272;trinque;I hadn't ever thought about it in those terms before
1004709;1422989291;asciilifeform;trinque: that was moldbug's notion
1004710;1422989301;thestringpuller;mircea_popescu: oh i see!
1004711;1422989306;the_scourge;in VC news, maidsafe got 19mil ... wtf
1004712;1422989306;asciilifeform;trinque: he believed in 'conservation of sovereignty' (as if energy)
1004713;1422989317;the_scourge;for a bunch of scottish guys to buy their porridge with... really?
1004714;1422989319;mircea_popescu;http://crookedtimber.org/2013/11/21/ <<> read it. best primer of macroeconomics for noobs i ever saw.
1004715;1422989320;assbot;2013  November  21 — Crooked Timber ... ( http://bit.ly/1EDJb3H )
1004716;1422989320;trinque;asciilifeform: interesting; is he worth reading?
1004717;1422989324;trinque;I've seen him mentioned
1004718;1422989329;asciilifeform;trinque: it depends
1004719;1422989336;asciilifeform;trinque: try reading
1004720;1422989347;the_scourge;trinque: imho, very worth reading
1004721;1422989348;thestringpuller;asciilifeform: is this similar to female who rents out womb for having babies for infertile couples?
1004722;1422989353;trinque;k
1004723;1422989362;asciilifeform;thestringpuller: neh, that's honest work
1004724;1422989364;mircea_popescu;the_scourge who are you anyway ?
1004725;1422989379;the_scourge;i've just finish reading all of his non-bitcoin and non-economics posts (those are two things he ... isn't that brilliant with)
1004726;1422989421;the_scourge;thestringpuller: also, probably best to avoid parallel womb renting
1004727;1422989427;the_scourge;mircea_popescu: well what do you want to know
1004728;1422989431;mircea_popescu;the suspicion being that perceived brilliance in other fields may be more the newspaper memory hole than his own merit.
1004729;1422989442;mircea_popescu;the_scourge what do you do for a living, and what sort of education do you have basically.
1004730;1422989530;the_scourge;erm well i work for myself doing ... what is interesting/profitable. was market data kernel tuning, then perl coding, now more 'devops' stuff
1004731;1422989544;adlai;"market data kernel tuning"?
1004732;1422989552;adlai;kernel as in trick?
1004733;1422989555;the_scourge;in another life it was all systems programming etc but then i decided to go to the UK and join the Royal Marines... really really long story
1004734;1422989570;thestringpuller;asciilifeform: leprous beggar sounds more like undead beggar in your instance then.
1004735;1422989576;the_scourge;kernel as in... the linux kernel
1004736;1422989604;*;adlai doesn't see the connection between "linux kernel" and "market data", but if that's interesting/profitable, glhf
1004737;1422989633;mircea_popescu;i c.
1004738;1422989652;the_scourge;and for education... fuck that seems like a long time ago but among other things i did a masters in ancient philosophy, languages and regilion. studied greek and aramaic and history as well
1004739;1422989698;the_scourge;to be honest i just did the studies to get away from computers for a few hours a day.... also to answer the big questions in life
1004740;1422989710;the_scourge;meh
1004741;1422989721;mircea_popescu;!rate the_scourge 1 легальные резиденты
1004742;1422989721;assbot;Request successful, get your OTP: http://w.b-a.link/otp/299ccbef20419f24
1004743;1422989741;the_scourge;adlai: oh, i should have said there was custom hardware involved. and 48 core bulldozer CPUs (bad decision, but made before i arrived)
1004744;1422989749;mircea_popescu;!v assbot:mircea_popescu.rate.the_scourge.1:33e0ab5465f7642a6e1ae13ba6bbb73a29cd777a865ced5b2dfb9dd7a56197ab
1004745;1422989749;assbot;Successfully added a rating of 1 for the_scourge with note: легальные резиденты
1004746;1422989753;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: l0l!
1004747;1422989780;the_scourge;hence, the kernel tuning. csets etc
1004748;1422989800;the_scourge;um what's the best way for me to find out what that says
1004749;1422989813;thestringpuller;ask alf
1004750;1422989820;asciilifeform;ask ru dictionary
1004751;1422989827;thestringpuller;legal residents or something says google
1004752;1422989839;thestringpuller;#amiclose ?
1004753;1422989843;mircea_popescu;quite.
1004754;1422989843;thestringpuller;^- that's what she said
1004755;1422989946;the_scourge;right so translation helped. and i knew there was a reason i still keep a urxvt instance running, even though it's horribly bloated
1004756;1422989954;the_scourge;*didn't help
1004757;1422989985;kakobrekla;as requested, have some lulz http://dpaste.com/1AZP655.txt
1004758;1422989986;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1F2Ceqg )
1004759;1422990038;thestringpuller;Qntra material
1004760;1422990041;the_scourge;adlai: to be honest my time doing the market data, i was more focused on getting an inside education on the more... interesting things in the financial markets, than stacking my CV with kernel/ASIC achievements. and in that regards i came out quite well
1004761;1422990045;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 120650 @ 0.00038193 = 46.0799 BTC [+] {2} 
1004762;1422990052;the_scourge;have avoided certain markets ever since :)
1004763;1422990054;thestringpuller;cazalla or BingoBoingo awake?
1004764;1422990055;mircea_popescu;aww coin telegraph goiung teh way of what was the one they kept pushing, that was supposedly big ? also coin something
1004765;1422990056;ben_vulpes;<punkman> [] there's this robocaller that waits for me to pick up the phone and say something, pauses for a short time, then says "Goodbye" and hangs up. << calling to find people who pick up
1004766;1422990072;mircea_popescu;coidesk!
1004767;1422990098;ben_vulpes;<chetty> [] email that actually sends what you want and nothing else would be a worthy project :) << gnus, part of emacs, has worked for probably longer than i've been alove
1004768;1422990105;ben_vulpes;alive*
1004769;1422990187;the_scourge;mircea_popescu: in your soros example, what is the unmonetized commodity? surely not the gold
1004770;1422990194;mircea_popescu;the pound.
1004771;1422990197;the_scourge;sorry, i was going to ask earlier but... shit happened
1004772;1422990200;the_scourge;right
1004773;1422990226;the_scourge;the pound gets 2/3 qualities, close but no cigar
1004774;1422990241;mircea_popescu;at the time the pound was on the receiving end of german rape.
1004775;1422990248;the_scourge;i know the story
1004776;1422990254;mircea_popescu;aite.
1004777;1422990257;ben_vulpes;<mircea_popescu> [] why are we calling him alf again ? << Ascii Life Form?
1004778;1422990268;mircea_popescu;oh oh!
1004779;1422990270;mircea_popescu;good1
1004780;1422990318;the_scourge;i was thinking about this the other day ... some smart people say that if there is not secondary use (no matter how minor, compared to the total volume) then something cannot be monetized
1004781;1422990330;the_scourge;and... that assertion is true until proven false
1004782;1422990362;mircea_popescu;that assertion is false.
1004783;1422990369;mircea_popescu;paper dollars have no secondary use.
1004784;1422990374;the_scourge;nothing has ever been monetized successfully that couldn't be turned into swords or necklaces or circuitboards or compressors (or eaten but i'm going back a ways now)
1004785;1422990382;asciilifeform;the_scourge: what's the secondary use for a benjamin? cocaine straw ?
1004786;1422990390;ben_vulpes;toothcoin!
1004787;1422990395;the_scourge;mircea_popescu: they're not monetizable (paper dollars) - just like the pound
1004788;1422990401;mircea_popescu;...
1004789;1422990417;mircea_popescu;the pound was mini-usd at the time eh.
1004790;1422990420;asciilifeform;the_scourge: why, then, were cowrie shells demonetized ?
1004791;1422990426;the_scourge;nothing holds their value other than the force of the issuer's military. i served in one of them
1004792;1422990447;asciilifeform;the_scourge: but why does a particular army demand to be paid in one thing and not another ?
1004793;1422990465;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform a word in your ear about "cowrie shells" : it is possible they were ever used for money. it is also possible libertard anthropologists created the pious fraud of "retarded non-white peoples also have some semblance of intelligence".
1004794;1422990482;the_scourge;because they're brainwashed into supporting a certain nation (the issuer)
1004795;1422990488;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: afaik the post-slavetriangle use of said shells is a reasonably proven fact
1004796;1422990491;asciilifeform;earlier? can't say
1004797;1422990505;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: the way i understand, they were an early proxy slavecoin.
1004798;1422990572;the_scourge;there is a lot you can learn about finance by signing up to be a uniformed tough guy for one of the big two, with your head already fully unplugged
1004799;1422990594;asciilifeform;the_scourge: as a boy i was fond of reading ungodly quantities of ww2 minutiae. and i remember marvelling that the luftwaffe had to pay xxx reichsmarks, for, e.g., a v2 rocket. 'why did nazis have to pay for things,' i asked.
1004800;1422990595;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform note that merely the fact of exchanging "Shiny" for "cunt" might well be reported as "monetary shiny" by some people and 'loads of fun whee' by some others.
1004801;1422990606;the_scourge;from personal experience, it's so fucking annoying though the best of us could only last a short while on the inside
1004802;1422990615;asciilifeform;'couldn't they just command it delivered'
1004803;1422990625;asciilifeform;but then you learn that other aspects of physical world exist
1004804;1422990636;mircea_popescu;they did, kinda. cowries played the role in africa that opium played in china
1004805;1422990650;mircea_popescu;ie, earlier european governments understood the problems of unbalanced trade, and invented balancers.
1004806;1422990660;mircea_popescu;but weren't stupid enough to accept the balancers as their own currency.
1004807;1422990663;the_scourge;unless someone can remind me what the point of the original shells comment was, we drop it :) ?
1004808;1422990676;the_scourge;the reich is interesting... oil was a big issue for them
1004809;1422990684;asciilifeform;the_scourge: we have mats and adlai here, also former (or possibly reverse) army men in various corners of usa vassal empire
1004810;1422990692;the_scourge;yah, i would hope putin has his historians working overtime right now
1004811;1422990693;asciilifeform;the_scourge: you might enjoy reminiscing with them
1004812;1422990694;adlai;"reverse"?
1004813;1422990700;asciilifeform;reserve
1004814;1422990701;asciilifeform;damn
1004815;1422990705;adlai;ah yes
1004816;1422990707;*;asciilifeform cleans keyboard and fingers
1004817;1422990728;the_scourge;oh yah apparently mats is predisposed right now i tried pinging him a while ago
1004818;1422990744;asciilifeform;the_scourge: point was the 'monetization' hypothesis
1004819;1422990755;the_scourge;adlai: i'm one of those damn tea drinkers. well actually i'm not but w/e
1004820;1422990763;asciilifeform;the_scourge: that king cannot simply order arbitrary objects monetized, or forgo the use of money entirely
1004821;1422990767;ben_vulpes;asciilifeform, mircea_popescu: will respond on seeds and licenses later
1004822;1422990769;*;adlai still hasn't gotten paid for his reserve duty, but doing this requires physical presence at various government bureaus that keep excessively sane hours
1004823;1422990775;asciilifeform;(to the latter, there are some possible exceptions, see the ancient inca empire)
1004824;1422990792;ben_vulpes;<asciilifeform> [] 'vulture capital' << i'm surprised you're not making the easy poo joke here too
1004825;1422990798;the_scourge;asciilifeform: yes, yes they can. hitler couldn't because his guys were getting beaten by our guys
1004826;1422990823;mircea_popescu;lol "yes we can'
1004827;1422990825;mircea_popescu;glwt.
1004828;1422990826;the_scourge;you can monetize ANYTHING with enough mind control and military. post bretton woods, that's all we've been doing!!!
1004829;1422990834;asciilifeform;the_scourge: better example - 1918, lenin's boys experimented with cancelling money.
1004830;1422990837;asciilifeform;didn't last long.
1004831;1422990856;asciilifeform;because it was pure idiocy. just as proclaiming a switch to edison's dc mains grid would've been.
1004832;1422990876;adlai;the_scourge: what did you serve in?
1004833;1422990877;the_scourge;adlai: reserve? were you in at some point?
1004834;1422990885;adlai;three years
1004835;1422990894;the_scourge;full time?
1004836;1422990909;adlai;"various corners of usa vassal empire" = IDF, in my case
1004837;1422990938;the_scourge;asciilifeform: right, that's probably a stretch too far from reality. but USG and HMT and BoE have been doing the fiat thing for a while now, and that's just one step less crazy
1004838;1422990950;adlai;so yes, three years, full time, and reserve duty for the extent of my healthy adult life (unless/til i move out of the country)
1004839;1422990966;adlai;!up the_scourge
1004840;1422990973;mircea_popescu;hard times in the international diabetes federation :D
1004841;1422990979;asciilifeform;the_scourge: 'the fiat thing' ever tries, if you notice, to walk the fine line between scam and outright expropriation/dekulakization
1004842;1422990980;the_scourge;oh cool i was going to join the IDF but they said i was too old
1004843;1422990998;adlai;the_scourge: now that mp gave you legal residency, you should be able to !up yourself in PM with assbot, and that lasts as long as you're connected to the channel
1004844;1422991037;the_scourge;which was retarded i was working on a kibbutz as a lifeguard and i was tearing up guys on their weekends on runs/workouts
1004845;1422991037;nubbins`;<+ben_vulpes> <mircea_popescu> [] why are we calling him alf again ? << Ascii Life Form? <<< nod, gw
1004846;1422991057;nubbins`;;;google a.l.f.
1004847;1422991058;gribble;ALF TV | The Official Unofficial ALF Fan Site!: <http://www.alftv.com/>; ALF (TV series) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ALF_(TV_series)>; ALF (TV Series 1986–1990) - IMDb: <http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0090390/>
1004848;1422991105;the_scourge;adlai: thanks, done
1004849;1422991121;adlai;expecting anything short of retardation from a bureaucracy the size of the idf is hopeful at best
1004850;1422991123;the_scourge;adlai: what unit were you in? you can reply in hebrew, no worries
1004851;1422991156;adlai;http://dpaste.com/1AZP655.txt
1004852;1422991157;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1F2EJsE )
1004853;1422991158;adlai;pastefail
1004854;1422991161;adlai;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x7fj97-UckI
1004855;1422991162;assbot;MLRS - STEEL RAIN/BLACK RAIN - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1F2EI86 )
1004856;1422991237;asciilifeform;adlai: american version of 'katyusha' ?
1004857;1422991260;adlai;very, very, very americanized
1004858;1422991301;adlai;more bomblets! more rockets! firing faster! from a bigger vehicle! with better treads! etc
1004859;1422991314;asciilifeform;for 75x the price
1004860;1422991318;asciilifeform;aha.
1004861;1422991321;mircea_popescu;lol
1004862;1422991335;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform in their defense, they can actually use it
1004863;1422991346;adlai;eh well.
1004864;1422991357;asciilifeform;i could used a golden toilet too
1004865;1422991357;the_scourge;adlai: i don't even know what unit that is
1004866;1422991375;the_scourge;i was interested in shesh shesh tesha at the time :D
1004867;1422991400;adlai;oh to be so young and patriotic again!
1004868;1422991440;mircea_popescu;haha you were ?
1004869;1422991447;adlai;mlrs is just a regular battalion in the army, but it used to be a special unit like that one... so there was this massive cognitive dissonance, where the higher up the officer, the more elite they thought their unit was
1004870;1422991463;adlai;but the soldiers themselves were just your average shmuck
1004871;1422991500;the_scourge;or shayetet13 - i wasn't young or patriotic ... and i wasn't when i got a good slot in the british military. i was having the same thoughts as moldbug, but instead of blogging about it i decided to become as deadly as possible in as short amount of time as possible
1004872;1422991549;the_scourge;and actually it was about a year before he started blogging
1004873;1422991615;adlai;not having actually been in such units, i'm speaking from impressions of people who were - but it seems as though the army trains people to be useful to the army, and any personal benefit that people got out of these units was mainly due to their own efforts to better themselves
1004874;1422991634;mircea_popescu;that's pretty much what it is.
1004875;1422991750;the_scourge;adlai: 1. i tried very hard before, during and after to get as much tactical benefit as possible. 2. you're right, and in retrospect i could have done equally well by making shedloads of money and shooting a lot, training a lot, hiring and doing private training
1004876;1422991771;the_scourge;but that's REALLY fucking expensive and at the time the income streams were trickling a little
1004877;1422991782;the_scourge;less than normal
1004878;1422991782;adlai;heh well some kinds of training, you'll have a hard time finding a private trainer to subject you to them
1004879;1422991805;adlai;dunno which legends you've heard about what they do to 'break' people in elite units
1004880;1422991815;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 2500 @ 0.00094379 = 2.3595 BTC [-] {11} 
1004881;1422991833;the_scourge;adlai: for those things, if you can make yourself do them, then you're better off than if batshit insane men force you to do it, under threat of bodily damage
1004882;1422991889;the_scourge;but again, before, i didn't even know what those things were. it's more than just crawling through broken glass for miles. there are a lot of subtle nuances
1004883;1422991912;mircea_popescu;<adlai>  you'll have a hard time finding a private trainer to subject you to them << not if you're a woman, wink wink
1004884;1422991921;the_scourge;it's interesting how the israeli culture generally knows about some of these nuances. the bootneck culture lives and breathes them and i don't think i could have bought that for any price
1004885;1422991950;asciilifeform;the_scourge: describe, for the benefit of folks in barbaric faraway lands, some of these nuances.
1004886;1422991987;the_scourge;it's the ability to keep your dignity no matter what.
1004887;1422992017;*;adlai isn't sure 'dignity' is what's at stake
1004888;1422992035;mircea_popescu;the israeli dignitary force.
1004889;1422992106;adlai;asciilifeform: i've heard stories ranging from having your nose broken, to being strung up like a pig over an open fire, to having your 'captors' alternate between putting your gun barrel up your ass and in your mouth - all of this to get you to 'break' and reveal a secret
1004890;1422992120;the_scourge;so, they do things like, you spend 2 weeks on an excercise, march 12 miles into the 'theatre' with 65lbs on your back, dig holes in the ground all night, and then lie in them (saltwater) and defend them, and then do full dignified kit inspection, ready to do a multi-unit ambush/assult all night
1004891;1422992147;adlai;the_scourge is describing approved exercises. i'm describing legends about what happens in elite units outside the approval and regulation of the main army bodies.
1004892;1422992158;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: had to travel << Land on one side of the country ride to the other on occasion even.
1004893;1422992174;the_scourge;adlai: right, for SERE training, it gets a little weird
1004894;1422992192;adlai;as far as approved exercises go, the worst i had was a week spent with a single day's food ration, most of which was spent in full NBC gear
1004895;1422992192;asciilifeform;adlai, the_scourge: all of these sounds like traditional military exercises
1004896;1422992236;PeterL;mircea_popescu: "You do not have, nor you can ever acquire the right to use, copy or distribute this software" << should be "nor can you ever"
1004897;1422992246;the_scourge;erm yah what bootnecks do it public knowledge i mean bear grylls does videos about the weird stuff
1004898;1422992251;mircea_popescu;PeterL right you are.
1004899;1422992253;*;adlai joined the army right after a major push for increased transparency in the ritualized torture of new recruits, so the crazy stuff only happens in crazy units these days
1004900;1422992264;the_scourge;asciilifeform: i was trying to get to the nuances. not the shocking shit
1004901;1422992287;asciilifeform;but who, exactly, finds the ritual torments of recruits - shocking ?
1004902;1422992295;the_scourge;asciilifeform: and i'm doing a bad job of it, to be honest i've never been asked and i've never tried externalizing it
1004903;1422992300;adlai;asciilifeform: mothers.
1004904;1422992306;asciilifeform;adlai: that'd be it
1004905;1422992335;the_scourge;asciilifeform: tormenting nods - not the shocking stuff
1004906;1422992354;asciilifeform;in ru army it is not uncommon for new recruits to be beaten to death
1004907;1422992360;asciilifeform;no one is entirely surprised
1004908;1422992362;asciilifeform;(afaik)
1004909;1422992382;the_scourge;asciilifeform: such 'training' is orthoganal to tactical success
1004910;1422992386;mircea_popescu;rather uncommon by now.
1004911;1422992393;trinque;the_scourge: but directly aligned with being enslaved eh?
1004912;1422992404;adlai;this still happens occasionally, but whenever it's in a regular (non-elite, anybody-can-join-and-who-asked-you-anyways) unit, these days, the unit gets disbanded, officers decomissioned, etc
1004913;1422992418;asciilifeform;the_scourge: tactical success, as i think it well known, is not the only thing expected of a soldier
1004914;1422992435;the_scourge;trinque: not sure if it's a mechanism or a byproduct ;)
1004915;1422992441;asciilifeform;there is also the mechanical aspects of obedience - or unit cohesion, if you like
1004916;1422992449;adlai;well and if you want to prepare your men to die in battle, they better die in training first, no?
1004917;1422992449;asciilifeform;but everyone knows this
1004918;1422992469;trinque;the_scourge: seems the enslavement of soldiers has to do with the necessity of keeping them loyal/taking orders
1004919;1422992476;mircea_popescu;not nearly as orthogonal as all that, for that matter.
1004920;1422992489;the_scourge;asciilifeform: this is true of many places. i was lucky in that i was in a place where they glorified individual thinking, as much as possible
1004921;1422992500;trinque;or... why would so many listen to so few were they not slaves?
1004922;1422992526;nubbins`;asciilifeform so how 'bout running a node on the NEW raspi ;p
1004923;1422992531;*;asciilifeform is not a soldier, but can hardly imagine an army having more use for 'individual thinking' at the platoon level than a dog has for beets
1004924;1422992533;the_scourge;trinque: you are (generally) correct, i was just saying in the russian army, i think some of the weird shit was a result of the slavery
1004925;1422992539;trinque;nubbins`: put a quarter in the swear jar
1004926;1422992544;adlai;drill sergeants on individual thinking: "if there's any doubt, there is no doubt", which eventually became "if you started thinking, stop"
1004927;1422992551;nubbins`;duod you could compile it for win10.
1004928;1422992556;asciilifeform;nubbins`: if you'd like to run node on cpu with closed turdcore running closed turdblob at all times, at 3x the cost of 'pogo' - be my guest
1004929;1422992570;asciilifeform;and for win10 too while at it.
1004930;1422992576;adlai;there's 10 now?
1004931;1422992580;*;adlai needs to get out of emacs someday
1004932;1422992582;nubbins`;ehh who knows
1004933;1422992588;nubbins`;raspi folks are touting it
1004934;1422992589;mircea_popescu;winten!
1004935;1422992597;nubbins`;now sure if it's "here" or "coming"
1004936;1422992600;nubbins`;who the fuck cares anyway?
1004937;1422992607;*;asciilifeform doesn't
1004938;1422992608;the_scourge;trinque: for an example of what i mean, watch the russian throat slitting vidoes... not tactically strong
1004939;1422992611;nubbins`;imagine someone using windows on an embedded device
1004940;1422992614;nubbins`;imagine making that choice
1004941;1422992637;asciilifeform;nubbins`: phun phact. usg, incl. all branches of military, love win-ce.
1004942;1422992637;fluffypony;mircea_popescu: because 9 wasn't good enough!
1004943;1422992638;trinque;having been late to every party in the last decade, msft will now reinvent itself by being late to free!
1004944;1422992659;nubbins`;asciilifeform no big surprise there
1004945;1422992660;mircea_popescu;lmao
1004946;1422992675;mircea_popescu;trinque the thing is tho, by now "free" is wholly captured.
1004947;1422992677;asciilifeform;'9' did not happen because, apparently, 'windows 9' was pattern-matched by various existing code as being in the windows 95, 98, 'me' class
1004948;1422992677;trinque;the_scourge: I think it's a bit of a problem to expect anything other than barbarism from those trained to execute it at industrial scale
1004949;1422992679;nubbins`;i have a handheld gps unit that runs wince
1004950;1422992680;asciilifeform;and therefore skipped
1004951;1422992681;mircea_popescu;so they have little choice
1004952;1422992688;the_scourge;asciilifeform: what's your take on the linuxino boards?
1004953;1422992689;asciilifeform;microshit's denials only cemented the truth of this rumour
1004954;1422992690;nubbins`;it's so shitty you actually have to remove the hyphen
1004955;1422992698;asciilifeform;the_scourge: have not tried personally
1004956;1422992725;the_scourge;other than the chipset, pretty good architecture though?
1004957;1422992734;asciilifeform;the_scourge: 'pogo' was suggested (iirc, i suggested it) purely on account of cost (and the fact of chassis and power supply being included in the cost, pre-assembled)
1004958;1422992753;asciilifeform;18 usd for 'sata' version, 13 without
1004959;1422992755;asciilifeform;try beating that.
1004960;1422992762;fluffypony;ok
1004961;1422992765;*;fluffypony gets out his whip
1004962;1422992773;the_scourge;asciilifeform: wait, what? what are we making requirements for?
1004963;1422992786;asciilifeform;the_scourge: experiment with a minimal-cost bitcoin node
1004964;1422992788;*;the_scourge loves specing out low-power applications
1004965;1422992804;asciilifeform;running therealbitcoin.org node.
1004966;1422992805;the_scourge;standalone or like that coffeewarmer thing?
1004967;1422992810;asciilifeform;standalone
1004968;1422992814;asciilifeform;mains plug, ethernet.
1004969;1422992832;the_scourge;how would you get an asci into a pogo
1004970;1422992837;the_scourge;does it have sata?
1004971;1422992842;asciilifeform;this is not a theoretical thing, it is happening now
1004972;1422992844;the_scourge;er and that... yah
1004973;1422992871;the_scourge;woah *wanders off to find a wiki somewhere
1004974;1422992873;nubbins`;node, not mining unit 8)
1004975;1422992888;asciilifeform;('pogoplug' is a small 'arm' device originally sold as a minuature nas. see #b-a logs.)
1004976;1422992889;nubbins`;hm, did i order a pogo?
1004977;1422992901;nubbins`;!s buying from:nubbins`
1004978;1422992902;assbot;318 results for 'buying from:nubbins`' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=buying+from%3Anubbins%60
1004979;1422992948;adlai;using !s to extend your memory of others' words, sure. extend your memory of others' actions, sure. ... but of your own actions!?
1004980;1422992951;nubbins`;oh, no, i did. right on.
1004981;1422992959;the_scourge;yah i was going to buy a pogo for nas work at home. but then i spent $way_too_much_fiat and built a xeon one instead
1004982;1422992966;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: more like a traffic violation (with bigger numbers) than a criminal matter << Basically this is my read of the Erik situation. Govt settled because all they could get was the headline and token cash.
1004983;1422992979;nubbins`;adlai it's all a fog
1004984;1422992999;*;adlai finds himself wishing for !s in irl conversations now
1004985;1422993003;the_scourge;ok i'm looking on that site for a wiki... where can i find out > why nodes, and not miners?
1004986;1422993006;adlai;it's gotten me grepping a lot more though, which is good
1004987;1422993019;nubbins`;the_scourge because mining at the personal level is retarded, but running a node is not.
1004988;1422993028;mircea_popescu;adlai the same process ruined me for books. i'm like "fucking paper no grep"
1004989;1422993042;the_scourge;what's the benefit to running a node? having the whole blockchain?
1004990;1422993046;*;asciilifeform cheats by maintaining a grep-able copy of most books
1004991;1422993052;nubbins`;the_scourge among other things, yes
1004992;1422993053;asciilifeform;to go along with the dead tree
1004993;1422993055;mircea_popescu;the_scourge generally the advice given to noobs is to read the logs for six months to a year.
1004994;1422993061;the_scourge;asciilifeform: greppable?? in what format?
1004995;1422993064;mircea_popescu;think of it as a sort of "crawling through glass".
1004996;1422993069;asciilifeform;the_scourge: generally, ascii
1004997;1422993077;nubbins`;;;google saw needle pit
1004998;1422993077;gribble;Saw II Needle Pit - YouTube: <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xbviirWLCQg>; Saw 2 (5/9) Movie CLIP - The Needle Pit (2005) HD - YouTube: <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3CAQ0iZKP08>; SAW II making of The Needle Pit Scene - YouTube: <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mx472xleOOQ>
1004999;1422993078;asciilifeform;(well, utf-8. a good deal are in non-latin script)
1005000;1422993083;nubbins`;^ think of it as this
1005001;1422993096;mircea_popescu;whatever you think of it as, stfu and go do it now.
1005002;1422993101;the_scourge;mircea_popescu: yah cool, i did read through some logs
1005003;1422993103;asciilifeform;what's the benefit to running a node? << start with the fact that if you haven't a node, you aren't using bitcoin.
1005004;1422993105;adlai;my book-buying process (when i'm in an actual bookstore and can flip through the book) is made or broken by the quality of the index
1005005;1422993133;nubbins`;incidentally, that scene is why i stopped watching Saw movies
1005006;1422993136;the_scourge;i'm a bit more interested in asciilifeform's book buying process right now
1005007;1422993137;mircea_popescu;adlai still. even people with good indedices, what are they going to put in there ? can't make it half the book.
1005008;1422993149;asciilifeform;without node, you are stuck asking someone with a node to use it for you (or, more commonly, he merely pretends to)
1005009;1422993159;the_scourge;yah
1005010;1422993180;asciilifeform;the_scourge: learn ru, bookz immediately become something you get for free, instantly, and in grepable plain ascii.
1005011;1422993187;the_scourge;last time i was involved, people had the same concerns, but on the miner side of things
1005012;1422993188;adlai;mircea_popescu: right, it's more that i'll find some really interesting book, get all excited about reading it, and then change my mind when i see a three page index
1005013;1422993238;asciilifeform;adlai: obligatory naggum >>>> http://www.xach.com/naggum/articles/3242392313780400@naggum.no.html
1005014;1422993239;assbot;Re: "Well, I want to switch over to replace EMACS LISP with Guile." - Naggum cll archive ... ( http://bit.ly/1x8GkHh )
1005015;1422993260;mircea_popescu;guile!?
1005016;1422993289;nubbins`;from street fighter
1005017;1422993328;asciilifeform;^ post was not actually about guile
1005018;1422993346;asciilifeform;(naggum fought a long usenet war against 'scheme' fanatics. 'guile' is a scheme interpreter.)
1005019;1422993356;mircea_popescu;anyway.
1005020;1422993377;adlai;the only good thing i have to say about scheme is that it's abstruse enough that sometimes college students pay me to write it for them :)
1005021;1422993387;mircea_popescu;complex specs are in no sense better. the only thing a very complicated spec shows is that the designer did not understand the overwhelming importance of not specifying.
1005022;1422993399;mircea_popescu;that's the main task of spec work : avoiding doing anything as much as humanly possible.
1005023;1422993416;the_scourge;adlai: 'college students' < doesn't tell us anything
1005024;1422993434;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: that's how you end up with 'the spec is the implementation' crapolade
1005025;1422993442;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform nope!
1005026;1422993462;adlai;the_scourge: "people who work a part-time job so they can fund another person's part-time job doing their homework"
1005027;1422993463;asciilifeform;not that a spec arrived at via the usual idiot committees is any better
1005028;1422993472;mircea_popescu;that's how you end up with small programs that do clear things and without a userbase that "has come to expect"
1005029;1422993480;asciilifeform;but the only proper spec is a) actual spec b) fits in head c) because was created by actual person
1005030;1422993486;asciilifeform;(or at most, two or three)
1005031;1422993523;mircea_popescu;i defy you to find a spec anywhere in use in the shitstack today that manages to not include things it really has no business specifying.
1005032;1422993566;mircea_popescu;and the problem is even more visible in dictionaries (as definitions are simply the specifications of words). never is it the case a dictionary manages to not include extraneous nonsense in the soup
1005033;1422993623;mircea_popescu;take the http://dictionary.cambridge.org definition of dictionary :
1005034;1422993624;assbot;Cambridge Free English Dictionary and Thesaurus ... ( http://bit.ly/1ApcRQM )
1005035;1422993629;mircea_popescu;"a book containing the words of a language alphabetically arranged, with their meanings etc"
1005036;1422993642;mircea_popescu;leaving aside that there's no etc allowed ; A BOOK ? why the fuck is it a book.
1005037;1422993661;mircea_popescu;it's not a book, it's a list. and it doesn't have to be alphabetically sorted.
1005038;1422993697;mircea_popescu;dictionary = "exhaustive list of all the symbols in a conventional symbolic space, with adnotations."
1005039;1422993697;adlai;a little relevant, and then i must break scalpl manually if it won't do so of its own accord: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MOXQo7nURs0
1005040;1422993698;assbot;Experience the power of a bookbook™ - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1Apd6Ls )
1005041;1422993740;mircea_popescu;there's not even any need to specify it actually contains definitions. the quality of the definitions distinguishes a good implementation from a bad one and that's all.
1005042;1422993777;asciilifeform;http://pastebin.com/g9JHAAjp
1005043;1422993778;assbot;#b-a student excerpt - Pastebin.com ... ( http://bit.ly/1x8Kr6j )
1005044;1422993838;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu ^
1005045;1422993869;*;asciilifeform learns to explain things possibly
1005046;1422993891;mircea_popescu;i see little in there other than "agend desperate to create personal raport as attempts to control teh public venue aren't working for ununderstood reasons that look scary."
1005047;1422993902;the_scourge;i wish i had saved my credit for you asciilifeform
1005048;1422993948;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: i don't much care if all the n00bs are american generals. let'em learn a little.
1005049;1422993957;mircea_popescu;sure, no broblem.
1005050;1422993973;asciilifeform;i only dislike them when they're annoying and illiterate.
1005051;1422993990;mircea_popescu;earnest effort never killed anyone. except of course in soviet russia.
1005052;1422994054;the_scourge;mircea_popescu: true but we all bring different things to the table, i could write a book on NRx history, philosophy etc: that is proof of hard work done
1005053;1422994072;nubbins`;hey now
1005054;1422994079;nubbins`;we all don't bring something to the table
1005055;1422994085;mircea_popescu;"could" is usagitalk.
1005056;1422994095;the_scourge;which by the way, if we ever turn THAT kind of proof (fuck, even literate code commits) into PoW, then it's anybody's game (again) but ... too theoretical
1005057;1422994103;mircea_popescu;nubbins` except lasers.
1005058;1422994111;nubbins`;o o right
1005059;1422994135;the_scourge;does assbot have a glossary? for things like usagitalk?
1005060;1422994146;punkman;yes it's called logs
1005061;1422994147;asciilifeform;the_scourge: the concept of 'proof of work' as it pertains to bitcoin is a very well-defied, mechanical thing. as in, machine-verifiable.
1005062;1422994151;nubbins`;<+mircea_popescu> dictionary = "exhaustive list of all the symbols in a conventional symbolic space, with adnotations." <<< why does it have to be exhaustive?
1005063;1422994155;adlai;!s jargon
1005064;1422994156;assbot;24 results for 'jargon' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=jargon
1005065;1422994161;trinque;asciilifeform: this student appreciates the pasted lesson
1005066;1422994162;asciilifeform;the_scourge: if you do not know this, you are far behind in your studies
1005067;1422994169;mircea_popescu;nubbins` the only thing that makes you go "this isn't a fucking dictionary" is if you look for a word that should be in but isnt
1005068;1422994173;asciilifeform;*defined
1005069;1422994187;nubbins`;by that measure, i've got 3,000-page beasts that are not dictionaries
1005070;1422994194;mircea_popescu;quite.
1005071;1422994218;mircea_popescu;note that they usually explain their limitations. "A dictionary of 1900 London argot" won't contain nixonisms
1005072;1422994221;nubbins`;and a page from a word-a-day calendar with the word "grok" defined, that occasionaly *is* a dictionary
1005073;1422994224;adlai;my dad has not one but TWO dictionaries that require a magnifying glass to read the copy
1005074;1422994241;mircea_popescu;however, the absence of "chthulhu" from there will be regarded as prima facie proof that the word in question was in fact not 1900s london argot.
1005075;1422994243;adlai;old school OEDs
1005076;1422994251;[]bot;Bet created: "BTC to rise vs USD in February" http://bitbet.us/bet/1114/
1005077;1422994253;the_scourge;mircea_popescu: jargon studies? i did read the jargon file front to back if that's what you mean. long long time ago though
1005078;1422994259;nubbins`;;;google dictionary of newfoundland english
1005079;1422994261;gribble;Dictionary of Newfoundland English Online: <http://www.heritage.nf.ca/dictionary/>; Alphabetical Index: Dictionary of Newfoundland English: <http://www.heritage.nf.ca/dictionary/d7ction.html>; Search: Dictionary of Newfoundland English: <http://www.heritage.nf.ca/dictionary/d8ction.html>
1005080;1422994292;mircea_popescu;and now im off to trilemize the dictionary/spec discussion, if anyone wants to be in ask now.
1005081;1422994308;adlai;the_scourge: generally doing a log search via !s or http://search.bitcoin-assets.com will help you find context for words or ideas that seem out of place
1005082;1422994309;assbot;Search the #bitcoin-assets log
1005083;1422994340;nubbins`;mp quote me saying some people don't bring shit to the table
1005084;1422994345;nubbins`;it helps to add context
1005085;1422994355;[]bot;Bet placed: 3 BTC for Yes on "BTC to rise vs USD in February" http://bitbet.us/bet/1114/ Odds: 99(Y):1(N) by coin, 99(Y):1(N) by weight. Total bet: 3.1 BTC. Current weight: 99,994.
1005086;1422994359;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: sure
1005087;1422994363;mircea_popescu;lol
1005088;1422994413;nubbins`;try to incorporate the word "sleeveen" into the article as well
1005089;1422994422;mircea_popescu;why sleeveen ?!
1005090;1422994446;the_scourge;adlai: thanks i'll start doing that :)
1005091;1422994451;*;nubbins` shrugs
1005092;1422994459;nubbins`;it's in the dictionary of newfoundland english
1005093;1422994485;punkman;asciilifeform: satoshi's miner is valuable for the same reasonas the rest of that piece of shit << is it valuable? I thought the goal was to replace satoshi's hairballs.
1005094;1422994498;nubbins`;and generally when one is called a sleeveen, one does not know how to take the insult, due to being wholly unfamiliar with its definition and usage
1005095;1422994504;asciilifeform;punkman: replace -after- fully understood.
1005096;1422994518;asciilifeform;before can be understood - must be fully pinned down.
1005097;1422994524;nubbins`;ive seen  members of parliament call each others sleeveens with impunity because the speaker of the house didn't know wtf it meant.
1005098;1422994555;BingoBoingo;From the New Oxford English Dictionary database https://twitter.com/Blacktric/status/562442413520982016/photo/1 (Maybe exaggeration of source)
1005099;1422994556;assbot;Sarah butts pulls up a chair at the sissy faggot crossdresser tea party. http://t.co/CImMm6APi9
1005100;1422994556;asciilifeform;punkman: try to understand why the pedigreed 0.5.3 has special status.
1005101;1422994574;punkman;asciilifeform: because there is less crap to undo?
1005102;1422994581;punkman;(compared to 0.10)
1005103;1422994584;BingoBoingo;https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B84yZODIgAASyIc.jpg:large
1005104;1422994585;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1ApgupE )
1005105;1422994620;nubbins`;rotophobe sounds better
1005106;1422994668;asciilifeform;punkman: try reading 0.10 some time. much of the original mechanisms - mutilated beyond recognition, or missing entirely.
1005107;1422994678;asciilifeform;it isn't just a matter of crud removal, after 0.8 or so
1005108;1422994714;kakobrekla;punkman alfs argument is coins were worthless hence lesser chance of molestation
1005109;1422994741;asciilifeform;unless satoshi, the enemy, or both - were soothsayers
1005110;1422994763;*;asciilifeform does not include voodoo in engineering analysis
1005111;1422994777;punkman;well that's what we want to do, mutilate the hell out of it. just in different direction.
1005112;1422994818;asciilifeform;punkman: i suspect that 'gold standard' will remain largely satoshi-based for a very long time.
1005113;1422994839;kakobrekla;seems more like purification instead of mutilation
1005114;1422994845;asciilifeform;as in literally, any node that would result in a kg or more of Au equiv. lost if it were to hiccup
1005115;1422995054;punkman;as for moving satoshi cpuminer to different binary, it's gonna need to use the "getwork" avenue, so I'm guessing that'd be a significant rewrite
1005116;1422995113;kakobrekla;have it built in, but optionally as separate patch?
1005117;1422995204;asciilifeform;punkman: hence why i suggested letting it alone for now.
1005118;1422995209;punkman;you know what'd be great? some sort of "bitcoind c++" reading guide.
1005119;1422995215;asciilifeform;punkman: moving it to separate src file? sure
1005120;1422995222;*;kakobrekla is unaware of how badly scattered the mining code is
1005121;1422995241;punkman;for visual inspection https://github.com/extempore/real-bitcoin/commit/a2745ff00110400f50966f92f8d155583eb0a3d8
1005122;1422995243;assbot;first pass mining-snip ·  a2745ff · extempore/real-bitcoin · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1ApiWMW )
1005123;1422995243;asciilifeform;punkman: gnarly. not only cppism but 'boost', 'bdb'
1005124;1422995274;mircea_popescu;there we go.
1005125;1422995274;punkman;asciilifeform: yeah separate file seems like a good idea
1005126;1422995279;asciilifeform;does somebody feel like writing a similar graphical visualizer for our patches ?
1005127;1422995340;mircea_popescu;<punkman> asciilifeform: because there is less crap to undo? << because it's actually before the "bitcoin is important" point of no return.
1005128;1422995359;*;asciilifeform did try to explain this in the devlist
1005129;1422995381;asciilifeform;( http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2015-February/000048.html << for record )
1005130;1422995381;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1Apjkv4 )
1005131;1422995416;thestringpuller;"C++ 99.5%"
1005132;1422995424;asciilifeform;0.5% silica gel.
1005133;1422995425;thestringpuller;"C 0.5%"
1005134;1422995428;thestringpuller;lolololol!!!!!!
1005135;1422995441;asciilifeform;and food dyes.
1005136;1422995512;jurov;no corn syrup?
1005137;1422995806;mircea_popescu;hey, is hfcs on spirulina a vegetarian breakfast ?
1005138;1422995834;punkman;why not
1005139;1422995867;punkman;there is that whole "may contain traces of pig cocks" thing, but meh
1005140;1422995900;nubbins`;"The U.S. National Library of Medicine said that spirulina was no better than milk or meat as a protein source, and was approximately 30 times more expensive per gram."
1005141;1422995901;mircea_popescu;spirulina ?
1005142;1422995915;nubbins`;10/10 would buy
1005143;1422995920;asciilifeform;sea cabbage ?
1005144;1422995924;mircea_popescu;reminds me of that organic paper story.
1005145;1422995943;nubbins`;spirulina seems to be straight-up bacteria
1005146;1422995961;nubbins`;hey, we use 100% real paper
1005147;1422995980;mircea_popescu;i thouyght it was an algae
1005148;1422996096;mircea_popescu;The algae has actually been tested and successfully grown in human urine at 1:180 parts. After 7days, 97% of NH4+-N, 96.5% of total phosphorus (TP) and 85�98% of urea in the urine (ca. 120-diluted) were removed by the microalgae under autotrophic culture (30 �C).
1005149;1422996106;mircea_popescu;this is just a conspiracy to drink more piss, isn't it.
1005150;1422996132;nubbins`;heh
1005151;1422996135;nubbins`;it's an "algae"
1005152;1422996159;nubbins`;altho apparently this is a misnomer, as it's actually prokaryotic
1005153;1422996218;BingoBoingo;"cyanobacteria" to be specific
1005154;1422996234;scoopbot;New post on Trilema by Mircea Popescu: http://trilema.com/2015/mps-rant-on-specification-work-as-to-why-all-dictionaries-suck-a-challenge-for-you/
1005155;1422996244;nubbins`;we're reaching dangerous levels of fake bio knowledge
1005156;1422996291;asciilifeform;this is just a conspiracy to drink more piss, isn't it << 'eat recycled food! it's good for the environment, and ok for you!'
1005157;1422996816;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 2187 @ 0.000944 = 2.0645 BTC [-] {12} 
1005158;1422996833;asciilifeform;http://qntra.net/2015/02/ubs-groups-cio-wants-to-throw-bitcoin-under-the-buss/#comment-9224 << l0l
1005159;1422996833;assbot;UBS Group's CIO Wants To Throw Bitcoin Under The Buss | Qntra.net ... ( http://bit.ly/1DuEO73 )
1005160;1422996883;asciilifeform;although what is this preoccupation with 'the unbanked'
1005161;1422996891;mircea_popescu;guess.
1005162;1422996909;mircea_popescu;lecherous if impotent old men have a comparable preoccupation with "the unfucked"
1005163;1422996933;asciilifeform;it's a usg newspeak term that encompasses not only paupers, who have no business in a bank regardless, but also folks resisting bezzle who consciously stay out of bank
1005164;1422996946;asciilifeform;so rather it's like... does english even have a word for 'unchristed' ?
1005165;1422996952;asciilifeform;'heathen' ?
1005166;1422996959;asciilifeform;from perspective of priests
1005167;1422996971;the_scourge;spirulina is far better than meat than meat as a protein source. fake bio knowledge or not, ask you local biochemist what must be done to meat before your body can digest it :D
1005168;1422996975;asciilifeform;in the sense of 'folks we haven't gotten a good shot at christing yet'
1005169;1422996990;mircea_popescu;incas.
1005170;1422996992;asciilifeform;некрещеные
1005171;1422996996;the_scourge;as for it being more expensive... what a retarded thing to say. even for USG
1005172;1422997000;asciilifeform;aha, i found it...
1005173;1422997002;asciilifeform;unchurched.
1005174;1422997020;trinque;that has to be a new term
1005175;1422997022;trinque;like "unbanked"
1005176;1422997027;asciilifeform;trinque: it isn't
1005177;1422997033;the_scourge;no, unchurched is common parlance
1005178;1422997039;adlai;unchurched, noun: a computer which does not use church numerals
1005179;1422997045;the_scourge;it's part of a jargon from a very different community
1005180;1422997063;asciilifeform;'webster' claims 1657 as first known usage.
1005181;1422997069;trinque;bleh
1005182;1422997087;asciilifeform;adlai: l0l!!
1005183;1422997141;mircea_popescu;isn't that unchurned ?
1005184;1422997164;the_scourge;Who is Irdial? good argumentation style he has
1005185;1422997205;*;asciilifeform considers getting paper dictionary out of its crate
1005186;1422997213;the_scourge;except for the end. kinda gets distracted by shiny misdirection :)
1005187;1422998278;BingoBoingo;<the_scourge> spirulina is far better than meat than meat as a protein source. fake bio knowledge or not, ask you local biochemist what must be done to meat before your body can digest it :D << Must go in mouth. Even raw I digest fine.
1005188;1422998331;*;BingoBoingo keeps paper dictionaries on shelf
1005189;1422998414;BingoBoingo;<the_scourge> spirulina is far better than meat than meat as a protein source. fake bio knowledge or not, ask you local biochemist what must be done to meat before your body can digest it :D << Also even though "complete" spirulina in low in some more important amino acids
1005190;1422998572;the_scourge;BingoBoingo: second point, valid. however, getting the meat in your mouth is 1/10th the battle
1005191;1422998593;[]bot;Bet placed: 1.111 BTC for No on "BTC to top $450 before 31st Mar" http://bitbet.us/bet/1113/ Odds: 12(Y):88(N) by coin, 12(Y):88(N) by weight. Total bet: 4.4523 BTC. Current weight: 89,044.
1005192;1422998595;[]bot;Bet placed: 1.75 BTC for No on "BTC to rise vs USD in February" http://bitbet.us/bet/1114/ Odds: 63(Y):37(N) by coin, 63(Y):37(N) by weight. Total bet: 4.85 BTC. Current weight: 99,773.
1005193;1422998595;BingoBoingo;How hard is carve animal, insert pieces in mouth?
1005194;1422998644;the_scourge;i mean, the digestive effort
1005195;1422998674;the_scourge;basically spirulina, the advantage is you have to break down one cellular wall and you have mitochondria, meat is a MUCH harder process
1005196;1422998684;BingoBoingo;Digestive effort is easy. Small intestine gets pumped full of all the right enzymes to process animal protein
1005197;1422998728;the_scourge;and hey i'm of the "catch and eat it raw" line of thought as well, it's just that from a scientific look, spirulina does require a lot less investment
1005198;1422998750;BingoBoingo;Mitochondria is not everything. with steak you pop cellular membrane and start tearing a part long chains of proteins
1005199;1422998767;the_scourge;when we started cooking our food (cause fire was a new technology at some point), our intestine shrunk by over 20%, leaving more energy for our brain
1005200;1422998837;thestringpuller;oooh yay biochemistry
1005201;1422998842;the_scourge;i'm not disagreeing with you. i eat lots of meat. when i lived in a freer countries, i shot most of what i ate. you're preaching to the choir here but there are huge benefits to some of the more accessible forms of protein
1005202;1422998848;thestringpuller;ATP is my favorite biomolecule of all time
1005203;1422998850;BingoBoingo;the_scourge> when we started cooking our food (cause fire was a new technology at some point), our intestine shrunk by over 20%, leaving more energy for our brain << More likely shrunk as meat became nutrient fire or not. Most carnivores have short GI tracts because meat digest faster than comlex plant matter. Cell walls are a bitch to break.
1005204;1422998887;the_scourge;BingoBoingo: yes, moving to meat was a benefit in itself
1005205;1422998891;thestringpuller;ATP Snythase is my favorite protein by far
1005206;1422998926;thestringpuller;obligatory: https://chubbyriceball.files.wordpress.com/2011/01/atp-synthase2.png
1005207;1422998926;the_scourge;thestringpuller: get on topic. if you like biochemistry, tell me what is the cost of breaking spirulina cellular walls. now :)
1005208;1422998966;thestringpuller;it's not about energy exerted in that case it's about the cost to build the proteins/enzymes to break them down  :P
1005209;1422998981;thestringpuller;mitochondria are the shit cause they make ATP so efficiently
1005210;1422998998;thestringpuller;and its a fucking mystery why the fuck they even exist
1005211;1422999021;the_scourge;in animals, we know
1005212;1422999046;the_scourge;ever heard about babies who don't have good mitochonria during antenatal development? not good
1005213;1422999081;thestringpuller;i was talking about evolutionary. the selection process of how they end up in cells
1005214;1422999091;thestringpuller;or at least "complex cells"
1005215;1422999093;the_scourge;which is why we're going to get 3-parent babies soon. which is bullshit it's just a mother, father + a different woman's mitochondira
1005216;1422999245;ben_vulpes;<the_scourge> mircea_popescu: yah cool, i did read through some logs << some lol. the point is that you've gotta pick up the variety speak, and that comes from reading logs in near-real-time for six months, not "some" or "a few" or "the ones i found interesting and/or easy"
1005217;1422999254;BingoBoingo;Eh, mitochondria are their own seperate life form. sort of like a libc
1005218;1422999299;the_scourge;ben_vulpes: ah thanks that makes sense. lurking is necessary anywhere you go. i thought he meant dead logs
1005219;1422999313;ben_vulpes;those help too.
1005220;1422999318;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes also in the news, http://c2.com/cgi/wiki?WhyWeHateLisp
1005221;1422999321;assbot;Why We Hate Lisp ... ( http://bit.ly/18LfXTk )
1005222;1422999333;ben_vulpes;the_scourge: if you do it right, you'll find yourself searching through the dead logs for further context.
1005223;1422999340;ben_vulpes;BingoBoingo: news?
1005224;1422999341;BingoBoingo;ben_vulpes: the_scourge: Not a bad log day to start on http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=07-12-2013#411276
1005225;1422999341;assbot;Logged on 07-12-2013 13:34:41; bitesak: http://www.reddit.com/r/BitcoinMarkets/comments/1s9g0c/mtgox_is_doing_its_instant_replay_bug_again/
1005226;1422999343;the_scourge;also in the news, ward migrated his wiki to fedwiki
1005227;1422999359;mircea_popescu;the_scourge the logs are actually linked in the topic. and the variety speak is http://trilema.com/2013/youre-gonna-have-to-learn-that-variety-speak/
1005228;1422999360;assbot;You're gonna have to learn that variety speak pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.  ... ( http://bit.ly/18Lg0Pf )
1005229;1422999367;ben_vulpes;the_scourge: not only fedwiki, but it's also got all sorts of css and javascript
1005230;1422999371;BingoBoingo;ben_vulpes: scouting around
1005231;1422999382;ben_vulpes;ward cunningham's a cool dude
1005232;1422999393;ben_vulpes;seen it all, still works in the trenches
1005233;1422999400;the_scourge;ben_vulpes: if you know an implimentation of fedwiki that doesn't have js, let me know
1005234;1422999414;ben_vulpes;the_scourge: i don't fuck with any of that stuff.
1005235;1422999420;ben_vulpes;collaborating with randos is for the birds.
1005236;1422999423;the_scourge;ben_vulpes: i've been in on his weekly hangouts a few times, very very cool times
1005237;1422999448;the_scourge;ben_vulpes: dude i was working on it when i still believed in randos. a long time ago
1005238;1422999455;ben_vulpes;i infrequently find myself drinking in his proximity. mostly f(how often i'm at new relic)
1005239;1422999481;the_scourge;ben_vulpes: plus, the technology could probably be adapted for closed communities
1005240;1422999493;the_scourge;ben_vulpes: what's youre connection to newrelic?
1005241;1422999525;mircea_popescu;diff between c2 and fedwiki is that well... fedwiki dun work.
1005242;1422999535;thestringpuller;BingoBoingo: Eh, mitochondria are their own seperate life form. sort of  like a libc
1005243;1422999539;thestringpuller;<< stop blowing my mind
1005244;1422999543;ben_vulpes;the_scourge: they have an office nearby at which i drink occasionally
1005245;1422999589;mircea_popescu;is that citizen global thing ?
1005246;1422999601;BingoBoingo;thestringpuller: It's true. Mitochondria have their own different DNA from their hosts and their hosts use them as a dependency
1005247;1422999630;the_scourge;ben_vulpes: i like the branch and fork model. and we do need a non-code collaboration toolset built around that model. and we know that model works for closed communities, dictatorships and everything else
1005248;1422999681;mircea_popescu;who's we ?
1005249;1422999689;thestringpuller;BingoBoingo: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wJyUtbn0O5Y << harvard being somewhat useful rather than handing out A's to the females who are best in bed.
1005250;1422999714;ben_vulpes;<the_scourge> which by the way, if we ever turn THAT kind of proof (fuck, even literate code commits) into PoW, then it's anybody's game (again) but ... too theoretical << bwahahahat?
1005251;1422999750;thestringpuller;different cellular structures animated realistically, but colorized for distinction
1005252;1422999795;lobbes;I leave to code for an hour and the conversation has moved from grepping, to dictionary specs, to biochemistry. Several of the reasons I love this channel
1005253;1422999820;mircea_popescu;no nudes today tho ;/
1005254;1422999841;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes a whole lot of "hei guise, wheel!"
1005255;1422999866;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 193996 @ 0.00038159 = 74.0269 BTC [-] {2} 
1005256;1422999927;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19154 @ 0.00038415 = 7.358 BTC [+]
1005257;1423000006;nudebot;http://ww2.nudesportsblog.com/updates/lesbiansportvideos/elena_nadia_01b_big.jpg
1005258;1423000008;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1Kp8tB6 )
1005259;1423000062;ben_vulpes;to the logs witcha, the_scourge
1005260;1423000141;BingoBoingo;Ah, the weird old days http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=07-12-2013#411327
1005261;1423000141;assbot;Logged on 07-12-2013 16:09:18; dexX7: looks they are serious with "50 new listings in one year"
1005262;1423000160;mircea_popescu;which meanwhile exploded scam was this ?
1005263;1423000226;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: Hovelcocks
1005264;1423000248;mircea_popescu;o i thought btcetc
1005265;1423000258;mircea_popescu;;;seen dexx7
1005266;1423000258;gribble;dexx7 was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 33 weeks, 6 days, 4 hours, 5 minutes, and 31 seconds ago: <dexX7> i think i can up myself
1005267;1423000308;the_scourge;ben_vulpes: what did you find funny about my PoRealWork comment?
1005268;1423000394;BingoBoingo;So... Ulbricht trial is already done with closing statements...
1005269;1423000438;mircea_popescu;bets on how long jury takes ?
1005270;1423000495;BingoBoingo;Hard to say. Instructions delivered tomorrow. Today was also first day of defense testimony...
1005271;1423000583;mircea_popescu;well if it were easy to say it wouldn't make much of a bet.
1005272;1423000617;BingoBoingo;Right.
1005273;1423000664;thestringpuller;is there a bitbet for if he gets convicted or not?
1005274;1423000691;mircea_popescu;lol that's not hard to say.
1005275;1423000758;BingoBoingo;I'd consider putting 0.5 BTC on under 3 hours. Worried about holdout juror or jurors.
1005276;1423000804;thestringpuller;lol "The jurors are instructed not to look at bitbet" - says the Judge.
1005277;1423000814;mircea_popescu;ima put a btc on "over 6 hours", how about that.
1005278;1423000878;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: I'll take that with 1 BTC for under six hours.
1005279;1423000894;thestringpuller;oooh over under
1005280;1423000900;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo make it.
1005281;1423000939;asciilifeform;watch preet let him slip, just to win the bet.
1005282;1423000957;mircea_popescu;yeah right.
1005283;1423000968;asciilifeform;massively-distributed bakshish, lol
1005284;1423000971;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo you can even blatantly abuse your journalistic position to make moar comedy gold.
1005285;1423000975;thestringpuller;super retarded judge if bitbet influences the trial
1005286;1423000990;thestringpuller;or more just "powerless judge"
1005287;1423000999;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: http://dpaste.com/1FQFE2M
1005288;1423001000;assbot;dpaste: 1FQFE2M ... ( http://bit.ly/1KpaL38 )
1005289;1423001000;mircea_popescu;they still seclude juries neh ?
1005290;1423001007;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo make it i mean on bitbet
1005291;1423001027;mircea_popescu;http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2015-01-30/inheriting-grandma-s-house-comes-with-tax-bill-under-obama-plan <<< this is of particular interest to adult bitcoiners.
1005292;1423001029;assbot;Inheriting Grandma’s House Comes With Tax Under Obama Plan - Bloomberg Business ... ( http://bit.ly/1KpaSfd )
1005293;1423001029;thestringpuller;they try to, hence what I said about judge in future may instruct juries to stay away from bitbet
1005294;1423001053;mircea_popescu;specifically : if you bought 1k btc at $10, and you die when it's $1000, usg wants about 400`000, in usd.
1005295;1423001076;mircea_popescu;then, should your inheritor sell it when it's $10`000, usg wants further capital gains tax. not on 9k, but on $9990
1005296;1423001108;thestringpuller;sounds like a scam
1005297;1423001205;mircea_popescu;anything to prevent that ol' capital acumulation thing.
1005298;1423001229;thestringpuller;this is why rednecks bury gold here in the confederacy
1005299;1423001234;mircea_popescu;anyway, best gift for bitcoin he could have ever made.
1005300;1423001252;mircea_popescu;i can scarcely comprehend why anyone would leave his heirs anything but btc.
1005301;1423001257;mircea_popescu;it is untaxable, after all.
1005302;1423001286;thestringpuller;cause the executor of the will is a scammer?
1005303;1423001300;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: submitted, funding tx sent
1005304;1423001350;*;BingoBoingo hopes his Austrialian Open bad luck streak ends
1005305;1423001388;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: big fat news, usa is simply moving to the taxation system customary in most of the orcish world - levy exorbitantly high tax, and hope it makes up for spotty collection
1005306;1423001425;thestringpuller;Don't you get sent to jail in the US if you don't pay taxes for X amount of time.
1005307;1423001433;asciilifeform;(mircea_popescu probably knows something about the argentinian tax, even if he has not seen it in person)
1005308;1423001434;thestringpuller;I.e. wesley snipes
1005309;1423001440;thestringpuller;IE Lauryn Hill
1005310;1423001486;asciilifeform;thestringpuller: ianal, but it is not the mere act of not paying, but what they consider to be an attempt to weasel out of having the tax assessed or collected, that constitutes the offence in the usa penal code
1005311;1423001486;thestringpuller;that's how they got Al Capone. "Tax Evasion"
1005312;1423001531;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform personally, i dun knowmuch an' i dun care much.
1005313;1423001547;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: afaik they fit the standard orc pattern.
1005314;1423001564;mircea_popescu;im sure they murder whoever dares open a pizzeria.
1005315;1423001572;mircea_popescu;since i'm not in the pizzeria business... fuckall i care.
1005316;1423001573;thestringpuller;asciilifeform: the price of US passport is paying income tax wherever you live.
1005317;1423001587;thestringpuller;US passport: Tax Curse, -10 from wealth
1005318;1423001590;asciilifeform;thestringpuller: just like north kr.
1005319;1423001636;the_scourge;i.e. peter schiff's dad
1005320;1423001648;thestringpuller;mircea_popescu: always portraying the state as the retarded mafia
1005321;1423001661;asciilifeform;afaik no one expat has yet been brought back in a cage for not paying. but i'm told that certain foreign banks will avoid you if they learn you have u.s. citizenship.
1005322;1423001663;mircea_popescu;well it is...
1005323;1423001669;cazalla;how long until tax man comes to you and says, i'm a reasonable guy, i'll accept payment for your taxes in bitcoin?
1005324;1423001694;mircea_popescu;quo warranto?
1005325;1423001702;mircea_popescu;does he have like a gpg signed thing from ben_vulpes or something ?
1005326;1423001741;cazalla;i'm not implying he would have the authority, just when taxman might begin to believe he does
1005327;1423001751;asciilifeform;http://www.scientificgamer.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2012/01/civ1.jpg << obligatory
1005328;1423001752;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/18Ll85N )
1005329;1423001769;thestringpuller;asciilifeform: i thought they'd flag your passport if you get IRS audited and charged for evasion? (though I guess this is more a dice roll if it occurs to an individual)
1005330;1423001784;asciilifeform;thestringpuller: if charged for so much as jaywalking
1005331;1423001809;mircea_popescu;cazalla im sure it'll be something like "bitpay paid 500k usd to franchise owner" thing
1005332;1423001811;thestringpuller;chetty was saying she was still paying US taxes (or maybe I recally incorrectly)
1005333;1423001821;BingoBoingo;;;tslb
1005334;1423001832;gribble;Time since last block: 17 minutes and 16 seconds
1005335;1423001882;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo yo, if this bet stays open until the fucking 6th, and it ends at 100k...
1005336;1423001888;mircea_popescu;it'll just get flooded.
1005337;1423001911;asciilifeform;thestringpuller: the basic reason why u.s. tax is generally easy to enforce, is that most u.s. folk who have money are rich specifically in usg-controlled scrip or pseudo-realestate or the like
1005338;1423001916;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: I have no idea for a better spec.
1005339;1423001916;asciilifeform;that can be confiscated by flipping a switch
1005340;1423001920;mircea_popescu;k sec
1005341;1423001939;BingoBoingo;Given BitBet's minimum time constraints
1005342;1423001951;danielpbarron;thestringpuller> US passport: Tax Curse, -10 from wealth << why i can't attend conference
1005343;1423001960;asciilifeform;so, the chump can travel wherever he wants, to zimbabwe if he likes, but if we were to rock the boat - a bureaucrat flips the switch, and -bam- - he's a pauper.
1005344;1423001982;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform worked pre btc anyway.
1005345;1423002011;mircea_popescu;o look at that, the tax break for repatriating corp profits?  aolso gone.
1005346;1423002028;mircea_popescu;i guess butthurt at it not having worked at all because well... nobody wants their money inside the beast.
1005347;1423002043;mircea_popescu;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xHU6YLC0RvE
1005348;1423002044;assbot;FALSA AMNISTIE - JEAN MOSCOPOL - ANTICOMUNIST - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/18LlDwN )
1005349;1423002072;[]bot;Bet created: "Silk Road Deliberations Over 6 Hours" http://bitbet.us/bet/1115/
1005350;1423002109;[]bot;Bet placed: 1 BTC for No on "Silk Road Deliberations Over 6 Hours" http://bitbet.us/bet/1115/ Odds: 0(Y):100(N) by coin, 0(Y):100(N) by weight. Total bet: 1 BTC. Current weight: 100,000.
1005351;1423002134;BingoBoingo;!up pete_dushenski
1005352;1423002161;pete_dushenski;ty bb
1005353;1423002345;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: worked pre btc << still works on all but the l33t35t d00dz, who don't need a bank for anything, are entirely untainted by usa-juice, etc
1005354;1423002367;mircea_popescu;you can use banks just fine.
1005355;1423002442;asciilifeform;bank gets a call - 'mr. x is a dangerous terrorist. is this a terrorist bank?'
1005356;1423002477;mircea_popescu;caller gets response, "nem tudom"
1005357;1423002490;[]bot;Bet placed: 1 BTC for No on "Russian Index RTS to drop under 500 before March 2015" http://bitbet.us/bet/1109/ Odds: 26(Y):74(N) by coin, 35(Y):65(N) by weight. Total bet: 4.0574767 BTC. Current weight: 51,537.
1005358;1423002491;[]bot;Bet placed: 1 BTC for No on "Gold to top $1500 before 16 May" http://bitbet.us/bet/1106/ Odds: 26(Y):74(N) by coin, 28(Y):72(N) by weight. Total bet: 4.3 BTC. Current weight: 82,128.
1005359;1423002494;[]bot;Bet placed: 1 BTC for No on "Bitcoin to drop under $100 before April" http://bitbet.us/bet/1108/ Odds: 16(Y):84(N) by coin, 17(Y):83(N) by weight. Total bet: 11.47696636 BTC. Current weight: 71,999.
1005360;1423002504;mircea_popescu;respectively "please direct any inquiries to the central bank of china / putin / etc"
1005361;1423002565;asciilifeform;unless account holder is high in putin-wot, he might begin to have problems, no ?
1005362;1423002593;ben_vulpes;<mircea_popescu> does he have like a gpg signed thing from ben_vulpes or something ? << pardon?
1005363;1423002634;BingoBoingo;ben_vulpes: Foundation tax receipt
1005364;1423002649;ben_vulpes;we don't issue such.
1005365;1423002668;ben_vulpes;one of those zero, one, infinity things.
1005366;1423002682;ben_vulpes;if enforcement's impossible...don't enforce.
1005367;1423002713;[]bot;Bet placed: 1 BTC for Yes on "Silk Road Deliberations Over 6 Hours" http://bitbet.us/bet/1115/ Odds: 50(Y):50(N) by coin, 50(Y):50(N) by weight. Total bet: 2.1 BTC. Current weight: 100,000.
1005368;1423002724;hanbot;good to know in case taxman shows up claiming otherwise :D
1005369;1423002785;asciilifeform;i've said it before, but will say again, if 'humane' paper tax collection falls apart (and it seems that eventually must) - the old-fashioned door-to-door shakedowns will return
1005370;1423002787;*;ben_vulpes wonders if this ddosser can be coerced into attacking arbitrary people in arbitrary channels
1005371;1423002805;ben_vulpes;asciilifeform: poverty looks good on me.
1005372;1423002813;BingoBoingo;Or arbitrary things
1005373;1423002880;asciilifeform;the algorithm for sniffing out faux poverty is also not a deep secret, nor especially new
1005374;1423002901;asciilifeform;'mr x, you're a registered pauper, but is that a first class air ticket you're holding? where'dyagetthat'
1005375;1423002960;asciilifeform;the above is not a statement of 'history is a boot stomping on a human face forever', but a testable hypothesis about actual near-future observables.
1005376;1423002980;hanbot;was a funny case of that in romania. prime minister, very corrupt, "from my auntie!"
1005377;1423002996;asciilifeform;'let's meet the auntie'
1005378;1423002997;pete_dushenski;never hurts to have a rich uncle
1005379;1423003018;asciilifeform;in the orcish world, if you've paid your bakshis / filed mircea_popescu-style 38 lawsuits against city hall / etc. - you're golden
1005380;1423003019;hanbot;auntie had passed...
1005381;1423003022;trinque;w-w-won it in vegas?
1005382;1423003056;pete_dushenski;found on floor with name on it, hey ppl win the lottery all the time!
1005383;1423003082;pete_dushenski;hanbot or in tahiti without cell or email
1005384;1423003105;hanbot;huh?
1005385;1423003136;trinque;better to just give unto bezzledom what is bezzle
1005386;1423003146;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=05-03-2014#546880 http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=05-03-2014#546881 << obligatory
1005387;1423003146;assbot;Logged on 05-03-2014 02:05:11; asciilifeform: 'american does not believe the man in the uniform to be a bandit, with whom one can come to an understanding. he believes him to be a robot, who must be feared. american law enforcers are able to, by pressing on the keyboard of a multitude of laws and regulations, 'transmute' the most insignificant peccadillo into a monstrous deed. FBI did not need to beat up Monica or toss into her purse heroin or am
1005388;1423003146;assbot;Logged on 05-03-2014 02:05:11; asciilifeform: The giving of false testimony - a crime, seen in Russia as small change - in the U.S. can lead to 26 years of prison. The fact that, in essence, the matter concerned a young girl who did not wish to admit her love affair with a married man, interests no one in the U.S. The principle of the machine is: do it [the crime] - receive. [consequences] the machine is merciless and incorruptible.'
1005389;1423003373;pete_dushenski;@nntaleb: In 80s terrorists captured 4 Russians in Beirut.Russians kidnapped 10 relatives of terrorists, sent body parts.Nobody since messed wRussians
1005390;1423003401;asciilifeform;really, nobody?
1005391;1423003406;trinque;not once
1005392;1423003409;pete_dushenski;usa locks up girls, refuses to "negotiate with terrorists"
1005393;1423003430;pete_dushenski;asciilifeform well ... chechens
1005394;1423003453;pete_dushenski;pt 2 of taleb's note was "in leb/syr"
1005395;1423003481;pete_dushenski;more digestible when the claim is geographically isolated
1005396;1423003554;asciilifeform;trinque: better to just give unto bezzledom what is bezzle << consider the implications of the well-known u.s. court case Wickard v. Filburn.
1005397;1423003579;asciilifeform;which is, as good as any, a demarcation point for the birth of modern usg
1005398;1423003594;asciilifeform;the one that lays claim to every drop of water in the sea, every grain of sand on land, etc.
1005399;1423003623;pete_dushenski;;;later tell peterl http://bablogs.btcscoop.com/ << borked
1005400;1423003623;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/18LoYMm )
1005401;1423003631;gribble;The operation succeeded.
1005402;1423003635;asciilifeform;the case was resolved in favour of 'subject, you are meat and we own you'
1005403;1423003645;trinque;asciilifeform: right, I assume they can and will warp reality to suit them as needed
1005404;1423003658;asciilifeform;there was no rebellion, note, then, when it was vastly more realistic
1005405;1423003660;asciilifeform;than today
1005406;1423003730;asciilifeform;nor was there anything more than picketing when fdr pissed on ww1 vets demanding their pensions
1005407;1423003764;asciilifeform;well, first hoover, then fdr
1005408;1423003769;asciilifeform;but this is well known.
1005409;1423003785;trinque;this brings to mind again my (hardly novel) thought that the usg is a shattered sovereign, rather than the absence of one
1005410;1423003786;pete_dushenski;for the greater good(tm)
1005411;1423003854;trinque;in that the ruler clearly always has the power to sort of speak declaratively about reality, and he/it will be mostly believed, or at least ignored
1005412;1423003925;trinque;if that exists, in other words, humans are wired to mostly receive their understanding of what is real from authority, this mode of "state" is exceptionally irresponsible
1005413;1423003938;trinque;did any of that parse?
1005414;1423003982;pete_dushenski;sure, except for how it might be seen to be "irresponsible"
1005415;1423003997;pete_dushenski;people are religious
1005416;1423004007;trinque;pete_dushenski: this form of govt does not broadcast a coherent model of reality
1005417;1423004009;pete_dushenski;whether they pray to the state or science or the church is a matter of fashion
1005418;1423004020;pete_dushenski;nor can they
1005419;1423004022;trinque;pete_dushenski: I am saying that this religion is irresponsible
1005420;1423004023;pete_dushenski;nor can anyone
1005421;1423004069;pete_dushenski;it's not clear to me that reality is digestible below a certain level of intelligence
1005422;1423004090;pete_dushenski;what's reality? it's all perspective
1005423;1423004092;trinque;pete_dushenski: I think we'd agree then. I'm saying the OS that's being distributed is a mangled hack
1005424;1423004104;trinque;sure one can't apprehend reality in some objective way
1005425;1423004116;pete_dushenski;it's a pretty naive os to be sure
1005426;1423004117;trinque;but some confucianism for the peasants never hurt
1005427;1423004142;pete_dushenski;this os is definitely in the first! biggest! best! vein
1005428;1423004162;pete_dushenski;we all have to believe in something, some moreso than others
1005429;1423004179;trinque;there was a moment where I realized my whole model of my life, experience, etc was that, a model
1005430;1423004181;trinque;yep
1005431;1423004184;pete_dushenski;the less critical capacity, the more articles of faith
1005432;1423004186;trinque;one cannot just give up modeling at that point
1005433;1423004219;pete_dushenski;trinque: there was a moment where I realized my whole model of my life, experience, etc was that, a model << curious, when ?
1005434;1423004221;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform door to door shakedowns are incompatible with the present day usg.
1005435;1423004238;mircea_popescu;hanbot lol nastase. totally. he did end up in jail tho.
1005436;1423004239;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: i still don't understand why
1005437;1423004257;mircea_popescu;btw : he only ended up in jail because he was a politician, and poiliticians exclusively are required to DECLARE their fortune.
1005438;1423004270;mircea_popescu;otherwise ordinary romanian can just go "where from ? your mother paid me."
1005439;1423004303;pete_dushenski;lol
1005440;1423004335;mircea_popescu;<asciilifeform> which is, as good as any, a demarcation point for the birth of modern usg << more like the birthplace of the central planning element thereof. "we affirm congress has the authority to central plan economic activity"
1005441;1423004340;mircea_popescu;the fed was similarly, except re finance.
1005442;1423004341;trinque;pete_dushenski: I just spent a long time sitting once upon a time
1005443;1423004380;mircea_popescu;centralism is ever the temptation of the stupid and the lazy, for very good game theoretic reasons : they know that greatness won't be oozing out of them personally any time soon. perhaps if it were all put into this box then it may ooze it ?
1005444;1423004419;mircea_popescu;<asciilifeform> well, first hoover, then fdr << the pissing on veterans is a universal sport. this is why being a soldier is dumb, being a mercenary is better.
1005445;1423004460;asciilifeform;i can think of at least four separate incidents where usg armies loudly, publicly, beat and often fired on assemblies of veterans
1005446;1423004461;mircea_popescu;<trinque> sure one can't apprehend reality in some objective way << if this is true, how come gavin's not getting what he wants ?
1005447;1423004465;pete_dushenski;mircea_popescu centralism would be that eretz israel geese in a barrel thing again
1005448;1423004481;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform why to which point ?
1005449;1423004489;mircea_popescu;pete_dushenski so it would.
1005450;1423004525;trinque;mircea_popescu: if there is an objective mode of being, I am further down the mountain than it
1005451;1423004543;mircea_popescu;not the same as you said before :)
1005452;1423004567;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: showing that the grunts were, practically speaking, automata who will do precisely as instructed.
1005453;1423004597;mircea_popescu;well for that matter the pioneers fired on the british.
1005454;1423004598;asciilifeform;whatever 'spirit of rebellion' there was in usa, was exterminated in civil war.
1005455;1423004603;mircea_popescu;all a matter of context, who fires on whom
1005456;1423004666;mircea_popescu;https://bitbet.us/bet/1115/silk-road-deliberations-over-6-hours/ << if anyone wants into this, bout 12 or so hours left.
1005457;1423004667;assbot;BitBet - Silk Road Deliberations Over 6 Hours :: 1.04 B (50%) on Yes, 1.06 B (50%) on No | closing in 1 day 55 minutes | weight: 100`000 (100`000 to 100`000) ... ( http://bit.ly/18Lr9j3 )
1005458;1423004686;asciilifeform;a leap of conjecture - modern usg began to take shape once the last folks who remembered pre-civilwar usa were gone.
1005459;1423004711;mircea_popescu;why do you think memory is important ?
1005460;1423004726;asciilifeform;just like today's phase transition in decay largely consists of the pre-60s greybeards exiting the stage.
1005461;1423004741;asciilifeform;not memory specifically
1005462;1423004744;mircea_popescu;a woman that remembers her time as queen of sheeba and a sow that remembers the greatness of mud make just as good mates for a hog mounting humiliation porn thing.
1005463;1423004802;asciilifeform;in a seriously broken culture, generation n does not really pass to gen. n+1 the sense of being part of the same thing
1005464;1423004804;asciilifeform;or whatnot
1005465;1423004821;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: or else from where comes 'homo redditicus' ?
1005466;1423004833;asciilifeform;orlov refers to him as 'homo sapiens lite'
1005467;1423004839;mircea_popescu;from their mother's cunts ?
1005468;1423004843;mircea_popescu;children are born grimy, what.
1005469;1423004861;BingoBoingo;http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/U/US_BARBECUED_HIGHWAY_CHICKEN?SITE=AP&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT
1005470;1423004863;assbot;News from The Associated Press ... ( http://bit.ly/18LrwKe )
1005471;1423004922;mircea_popescu;aahahaha
1005472;1423004971;mircea_popescu;waiting for the milk + cookies crash
1005473;1423005040;asciilifeform;'Joe Angelo, a decorated hero from the war who saved Patton's life, approached him the day after to sway him. Rather than accept and listen to the man whom he had decorated himself for his bravery under fire, Patton coldly rejected him and stated "I do not know this man. Take him away and under no circumstances permit him to return."' (pediwik)
1005474;1423005066;cazalla;https://uk.news.yahoo.com/trinity-students-think-bitcoin-regulator-could-put-business-185046897--finance.html#kESZasb "They believe a Bitcoin �credit-check� database, in which potential business partners could scope each other out, could be the answer." lol
1005475;1423005068;assbot;These Trinity students think they may have solved the Bitcoin problem - Yahoo News UK ... ( http://bit.ly/1uVnaoC )
1005476;1423005072;trinque;mircea_popescu: you have a hell of a way of provoking a cascade of thought/reflection with a single question
1005477;1423005106;mircea_popescu;i sit on the gigantic shoulders of logs.
1005478;1423005106;trinque;perhaps we find objective truth when we bump into it, so to speak
1005479;1423005115;asciilifeform;cazalla: lol, the black/white-lists crapolade never ever goes away.
1005480;1423005123;mircea_popescu;right ? whether ou find it or not, it's always there to fuck oyu over the mouth. with a stick.
1005481;1423005131;trinque;gavin can't have shamcoin because bitcoin does not work that way, too bad
1005482;1423005176;cazalla;asciilifeform, anything ever come of yifu's black/white list?
1005483;1423005178;mircea_popescu;trinque but "how do you know", after all, if opinion enacted reality (or properly, if there were no objective reality past opinions) then his gambit would actually work.
1005484;1423005185;asciilifeform;cazalla: no idea
1005485;1423005249;asciilifeform;trinque: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-01-2015#986522
1005486;1423005249;assbot;Logged on 21-01-2015 19:43:16; asciilifeform: chetty: ''Winston made another convulsive movement. This time he did not say anything. O'Brien continued as though answering a spoken objection: 'For certain purposes, of course, that is not true. When we navigate the ocean, or when we predict an eclipse, we often find it convenient to assume that the earth goes round the sun and that the stars are millions upon millions of kilometres away. But what o
1005487;1423005391;pete_dushenski;cazalla not that i've heard of either
1005488;1423005394;trinque;this calls into question whether the interaction between sovereign and subject is one of the dispensation of a (hopefully better) OS, as I stated, or whether he is rather to be a force of nature which is so, regardless of what winblows they're running
1005489;1423005409;mircea_popescu;whats an os anyway
1005490;1423005457;trinque;as I think about it, mostly a fairy tale that extends the reach of foot-soldiers to nightmares
1005491;1423005470;asciilifeform;trinque: and the whole concept of everybody getting their mental firmware from the palace, rather than from organic hierarchy that's been around for millenia, is a 20th century evil
1005492;1423005480;trinque;I was thinking of it in terms of "go read these books" and "you know, don't steal that guy's potatoes"
1005493;1423005509;trinque;asciilifeform: yep, that would make sense
1005494;1423005522;trinque;"the state is everywhere"
1005495;1423005559;mircea_popescu;yeah srsly.
1005496;1423005583;mircea_popescu;exactly antitethical to how wots work, incidentally. because coherence is the only possible attacxk against a wot.
1005497;1423005596;*;asciilifeform digs in log, fails to find, mircea_popescu's line about state-imposed star topologies
1005498;1423005609;mircea_popescu;http://trilema.com/2014/advanced-wot-course-how-the-wot-is-attacked-and-how-it-defends-itself/ is prolly too opaque
1005499;1423005609;assbot;Advanced WoT course : how the WoT is attacked, and how it defends itself. pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.  ... ( http://bit.ly/18LsZQQ )
1005500;1423005640;mircea_popescu;but the idea being that sybil attacks succeed when and only when the nodes are too agreefull.
1005501;1423005640;pete_dushenski;yifu seemed to go completely dark after that escapade
1005502;1423005695;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform recurring theme on trilema and here, but most recently http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=30-01-2015#998181
1005503;1423005695;assbot;Logged on 30-01-2015 05:50:13; mircea_popescu: the socialist state does not want a normally functioning society, but instead this stellar configuration where the state is at the center,
1005504;1423005707;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: aha ^^^ here we go.
1005505;1423005722;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 2000 @ 0.00094254 = 1.8851 BTC [-] {9} 
1005506;1423005759;mircea_popescu;good companion for http://trilema.com/2015/why-representative-democracy-doesnt-work-and-doesnt-make-sense/
1005507;1423005760;assbot;Why "representative democracy" doesn't work and doesn't make sense pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.  ... ( http://bit.ly/18LtkTG )
1005508;1423005788;asciilifeform;we're still at a point where a great many people alive would need a time machine tour to be convinced of anything like civilization being possible without state-at-center
1005509;1423005798;mircea_popescu;"why vote for women ? because if women spend more time talking to the state and less talking to their husbands, the state will be stronger and society weaker"
1005510;1423005816;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform amusingly, this was a strongly held byzantine notion, too.
1005511;1423005837;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: certainly. it wasn't like it requires the transistor.
1005512;1423005860;mircea_popescu;all it requires is other peopel's wealth.
1005513;1423005893;mircea_popescu;to this day i suspect xiaoping's plan was exactly 1. industrialise through giving away the products to the west. within half a century you will have the industry and they will have collapsed.
1005514;1423005902;asciilifeform;'Thirty years ago the Blimp class was already losing its vitality. The middle-class families celebrated by Kipling, the prolific lowbrow families whose sons officered the army and navy and swarmed over all the waste places of the earth from the Yukon to the Irrawaddy, were dwindling before 1914. The thing that had killed them was the telegraph. In a narrowing world, more and more governed from Whitehall, there was every year l
1005515;1423005903;asciilifeform;ess room for individual initiative. Men like Clive, Nelson, Nicholson, Gordon would find no place for themselves in the modern British Empire. By 1920 nearly every inch of the colonial empire was in the grip of Whitehall. Well-meaning, over-civilized men, in dark suits and black felt hats, with neatly rolled umbrellas crooked over the left forearm, were imposing their constipated view of life on Malaya and Nigeria, Mombasa and
1005516;1423005903;asciilifeform; Mandalay. The one-time empire builders were reduced to the status of clerks, buried deeper and deeper under mounds of paper and red tape. In the early twenties one could see, all over the Empire, the older officials, who had known more spacious days, writhing impotently under the changes that were happening. From that time onwards it has been next door to impossible to induce young men of spirit to take any part in imperial a
1005517;1423005910;asciilifeform;dministration. And what was true of the official world was true also of the commercial. The great monopoly companies swallowed up hosts of petty traders. Instead of going out to trade adventurously in the Indies one went to an office stool in Bombay or Singapore. And life in Bombay or Singapore was actually duller and safer than life in London. Imperialist sentiment remained strong in the middle class, chiefly owing to family
1005518;1423005915;asciilifeform;tradition, but the job of administering the Empire had ceased to appeal. Few able men went east of Suez if there was any way of avoiding it.'
1005519;1423005917;mircea_popescu;best one point plan for world domination i ever heard. plus it worked.
1005520;1423005918;asciilifeform;(orwell's 'lion and the unicorn')
1005521;1423005922;asciilifeform;yes, long, but dropped here for record.
1005522;1423005948;asciilifeform;telegraph - major boost to the disease.
1005523;1423005962;mircea_popescu;only in a sense.
1005524;1423005963;asciilifeform;it made palatial micromanagement of an empire at least thinkable.
1005525;1423005973;asciilifeform;before - it would have been caligula-grade lunacy
1005526;1423005974;mircea_popescu;early internet - boost of disease, mature internet - cure
1005527;1423006049;mircea_popescu;consider the doomed nature of centralism. so louis defeudalized france, forced the nobles away from their estates and relevancy, captive at versailles. fifty years later his heir was being decapitated, and the system collapsed.
1005528;1423006063;mircea_popescu;a system, mind you, that had supported nine centuries of previous monarchs just fine
1005529;1423006081;trinque;I read that article re: representative democracy, but it's clarified in the context of the current conversation
1005530;1423006083;mircea_popescu;through horror of all type , famine, plague, rebellion, invasion, everything possible, thinkable and unthinkjable
1005531;1423006093;mircea_popescu;all it took was merlin i mean mazarin
1005532;1423006141;trinque;this experience of finding oneself to be using old concepts to try to label new data in the present was sort of what I was trying to describe with the meditation experience
1005533;1423006141;mircea_popescu;and i'll take any bet that feudalism as promoted by b-a will take the piss, vinegar and cockroach guts out of any alternative, startingwith the usg
1005534;1423006151;mircea_popescu;and ending with whatever the chinese will come up with at the final end of it.
1005535;1423006207;trinque;I think sitting there I realized the fact of my own existence for the first time
1005536;1423006221;trinque;as a sort of direct, sensory thing
1005537;1423006229;mircea_popescu;lol careful not to fall in.
1005538;1423006234;trinque;rather than a wad of concepts I believed
1005539;1423006241;asciilifeform;!b 4
1005540;1423006242;assbot;Last 4 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/215PTRS.txt )
1005541;1423006343;*;asciilifeform enjoys mircea_popescu's optimism but cannot as easily partake in it, from the prison-without-doors
1005542;1423006348;mircea_popescu;in other news, http://trilema.com/2013/if-youve-seen-that-many-pornstars/
1005543;1423006348;assbot;If you've seen that many pornstars... pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.  ... ( http://bit.ly/1uVq24S )
1005544;1423006354;mircea_popescu;"This, I submit, is on its own sufficient proof that pornography is a wholesome, socially representative activity, whereas both cinematography and fashion are (by comparison at least) pernicious and very, very false. And that which is false can never be art, irrespective of all pretense to the contrary."
1005545;1423006497;asciilifeform;related: http://cluborlov.blogspot.com/2015/02/quite-few-of-those-currently-inhabiting.html
1005546;1423006498;assbot;ClubOrlov: No escape ... ( http://bit.ly/1uVqnEC )
1005547;1423006731;asciilifeform;^ this article exemplifies everything i personally most dislike about herr orlov.
1005548;1423006769;asciilifeform;why, i wonder, did he pick the indians as an example of 'the true path' and not, say, a stray dog ?
1005549;1423006791;asciilifeform;he knows full well that it is every bit as possible to transform from what a civilized man is to a stray dog as to the indian.
1005550;1423006809;asciilifeform;orlov himself is in no hurry to trade his computer for a spear.
1005551;1423006819;mircea_popescu;he probably got a little horny for the nude girl at dating age
1005552;1423006822;mircea_popescu;not so for any dog.
1005553;1423006844;mircea_popescu;;;google beautiful savage
1005554;1423006845;gribble;Beautiful Savage Magazine — Art, Fashion and Lifestyle Magazine: <http://beautifulsavage.com/>; Submission Guidelines » Beautiful Savage: <http://beautifulsavage.com/submissions/>; Beautiful Savage | Facebook: <https://www.facebook.com/BEAUT1FULSAVAGE>
1005555;1423006864;mircea_popescu;hm mybad
1005556;1423006867;mircea_popescu;;;google nubile savage
1005557;1423006867;gribble;Main/Nubile Savage - Television Tropes & Idioms: <http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/NubileSavage>; Playing With/Nubile Savage - Television Tropes & Idioms: <http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/PlayingWith/NubileSavage>; The Nubile Savage | History Today: <http://www.historytoday.com/michael-sturrna/nubile-savage>
1005558;1423006870;asciilifeform;orlov plugs straight into 4+ centuries of 'noble savage' crap
1005559;1423006887;BingoBoingo;http://www.theroot.com/articles/news/2015/01/mo_man_arrested_after_telling_black_waitress_he_wanted_to_show_her_where.html
1005560;1423006888;assbot;Mo. Man Arrested After Telling Black Waitress He Wanted to Show Her Where He ‘Hung’ Her Grandpa   - The Root ... ( http://bit.ly/18LvNxo )
1005561;1423006972;asciilifeform;'Tommy Dean Gaa, of Maryville, reportedly told the waitress, after she asked if he wanted wheat or white toast, that he was prejudiced and therefore would take white toast, according to a probable cause statement viewed by the Maryville Daily Forum.'
1005562;1423006983;asciilifeform;obligatory sov. joke:
1005563;1423007038;asciilifeform;winnie pooh walks into a butcher's shop, asks 'got mortadella' ? answer, 'sure' winnie pooh draws a submachinegun and spins round, round, round with it, mowing down everything that moves: 'for piiigleet!'
1005564;1423007050;mircea_popescu;every asshole in a dinner is newsworthy now ?
1005565;1423007104;thestringpuller;asciilifeform: LOL
1005566;1423007118;thestringpuller;I'm telling you. Quit your day job and become stand up comedian
1005567;1423007149;mircea_popescu;dude could be a pretty rand standup comedian.
1005568;1423007161;mircea_popescu;rad*
1005569;1423007166;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform you ever tried it ?
1005570;1423007200;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: Apparently. "Outrage fatigue"
1005571;1423007225;asciilifeform;mortadella? sure
1005572;1423007236;BingoBoingo;I imagine asciilifeform's object as similar to kakobrekla's objection. Involves going outside.
1005573;1423007281;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform stand up comedy
1005574;1423007281;asciilifeform;^
1005575;1423007288;mircea_popescu;it's usually practiced indoors...
1005576;1423007291;asciilifeform;not unless everyday life counts.
1005577;1423007294;mircea_popescu;it's like going to a bar, except free drinks
1005578;1423007297;asciilifeform;(and where i live, it might)
1005579;1423007311;asciilifeform;'all the world's a stage' or how did it go.
1005580;1423007410;mircea_popescu;nah, it went
1005581;1423007413;mircea_popescu;Life's but a walking shadow, a poor player. That struts and frets his hour upon the stage. And then is heard no more: it is a tale. Told by an idiot, full of sound and
1005582;1423007421;mircea_popescu;something.
1005583;1423007592;BingoBoingo;http://www.washingtonpost.com/lifestyle/style/hes-got-a-downton-abbey-inspired-office-but-rep-aaron-schock-wont-talk-about-it/2015/02/02/1d3f1466-ab1f-11e4-abe8-e1ef60ca26de_story.html?postshare=4811422934264510
1005584;1423007593;assbot;He’s got a ‘Downton Abbey’-inspired office, but Rep. Aaron Schock won’t talk about it. - The Washington Post ... ( http://bit.ly/18LxrPC )
1005585;1423008015;asciilifeform;re: inheritance tax crapolade: the usg elite does not bequeath/inherit via the usual mechanism, but rather by:
1005586;1423008017;asciilifeform;!s merit washing
1005587;1423008018;assbot;25 results for 'merit washing' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=merit+washing
1005588;1423008076;asciilifeform;i.e. send children to harvaprinceyaleton, internships in africa saving monkeys or whoever, they are then eminently paper-qualified and no one can possibly object (tm) to their ascendency as apparatchiks
1005589;1423008095;asciilifeform;the process is reasonably well-documented by mr mold et al and i will not waste more space on it here
1005590;1423008103;asciilifeform;except to remind n00bs of its existence on such occasions.
1005591;1423008153;mircea_popescu;if moldy had bothered to run the demos rather than just too busy sitting on ass and opining, he'd have noticed this theory is about as leaky as his submarines.
1005592;1423008161;mircea_popescu;run the numbers if you're bored.
1005593;1423008170;asciilifeform;which numbers in particular ?
1005594;1423008232;mircea_popescu;well, the ones contained in the theory. apparatchick count, ivy league output, rich list.
1005595;1423008249;asciilifeform;recall that apparatchiks are not all, or even most, collecting official federal salaries.
1005596;1423008253;mircea_popescu;see how many kids rich people of 1960 had, how many of them are in ivy league in 1980,
1005597;1423008262;mircea_popescu;and of those how many in the apparatus by 2000
1005598;1423008281;mircea_popescu;or, if you prefer, for simplicity, work backwards.
1005599;1423008286;asciilifeform;iirc mr mold does not trace the descent of modern elite to the rich of 1960
1005600;1423008290;mircea_popescu;who do we start with, de blasio ? cuomo ?
1005601;1423008291;asciilifeform;in fact, specifically disclaims it
1005602;1423008303;mircea_popescu;and if you say "this is midwest only" or "this is non democrat only " you already lost.
1005603;1423008315;mircea_popescu;well then what's the testable hypothesis ?
1005604;1423008343;asciilifeform;posits a phase transition some time in early '60s where the 'optimates' (his term, something like 'old money') were dethroned by 'brahmins' (the folks running the show today, socialist functionaries who work 'for the good of m4nk1nd')
1005605;1423008397;mircea_popescu;but. what is. teh. teeeeestable.
1005606;1423008399;mircea_popescu;hypothesis.
1005607;1423008401;mircea_popescu;ya know ?
1005608;1423008412;mircea_popescu;otherwise teh empty rhetoric is suspect of well... that.
1005609;1423008442;asciilifeform;testable hypothesis is that folks presently coming in to officer the upper ranks of the usgarchy (including not merely cia, etc. but the vc circus) , are largely annointees of previous generation therein.
1005610;1423008473;mircea_popescu;unlike what, post explosion tunguska ?
1005611;1423008476;mircea_popescu;that's always the case.
1005612;1423008484;asciilifeform;always, sure
1005613;1423008491;asciilifeform;but in this case a specific mechanism is posited
1005614;1423008507;asciilifeform;sub-rosa, maximally deniable annointment
1005615;1423008509;mircea_popescu;which works about as well as random chance.
1005616;1423008569;mircea_popescu;suppose the converse. i have a girl with any of my women, she witnesses the life in a harem geowing up, i tell her all the dirty secrets of the world because i dfon't give a fuck, i encourage her to parade naked in town when she's 16 and so on, and when i die i leave her half a billion in untraceable money.
1005617;1423008578;mircea_popescu;and this chick's not going to succeed because um ?
1005618;1423008598;mircea_popescu;obviously the offspring of the powerful will do just fine, unless a) the powerful's just a fake elite ;b) the offspring's retarded or c) both.
1005619;1423008629;asciilifeform;wasn't even arguing against the succession per se (next what, i should argue against snow?) but the bizarre deception games
1005620;1423008653;mircea_popescu;mebbe their gaminess' imagined.
1005621;1423008694;asciilifeform;mebbe my chair is imagined
1005622;1423008697;asciilifeform;and i'm actually on a stake.
1005623;1423008740;mircea_popescu;tell me how does it feel
1005624;1423008744;mircea_popescu;to be on a staaakeee...
1005625;1423008747;mircea_popescu;anywya, ima brb
1005626;1423008748;the_scourge;http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/2rfczg/the_bitcoin_consensus_red_herring/cng123b?context=3
1005627;1423008749;assbot;davecgh comments on The Bitcoin Consensus Red Herring ... ( http://bit.ly/1z8KHTo )
1005628;1423008751;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-10-2014#866943
1005629;1423008751;assbot;Logged on 10-10-2014 00:52:32; asciilifeform: slightly different situation here. btc user without full node is just as likely to be walking around in a barrel, deluded by dope into thinking he's driving a car (like the characters in s. lem's 'futurological congress')
1005630;1423008766;asciilifeform;[insert all other known plato-wanks ever in this space]
1005631;1423008784;asciilifeform;bbl, food
1005632;1423008860;the_scourge;http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/2rfczg/the_bitcoin_consensus_red_herring/cng123b?context=3
1005633;1423008861;assbot;davecgh comments on The Bitcoin Consensus Red Herring ... ( http://bit.ly/1z8KUGb )
1005634;1423008907;the_scourge;er, sorry. irssi not co-operating with x today
1005635;1423008933;the_scourge;but interesting discussion anyways
1005636;1423009045;the_scourge;i was reading some really old logs and ended up mindwandering into some things about consensus and the various btc implementations. i know the xcp guys have crossed this bridge as well, slightly different angle
1005637;1423009163;BingoBoingo;If we must read reddit https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/2ummr4/part_3_cryptsy_stole_me_180_btc_withdraw_locked/
1005638;1423009167;assbot;Part 3: Cryptsy stole me 180 BTC (Withdraw locked) : Bitcoin ... ( http://bit.ly/18LAUxE )
1005639;1423009535;the_scourge;i don't care for reddit but the btcd guys were engaging in discussion on there
1005640;1423009581;the_scourge;who is cryptsy and why should i care?
1005641;1423009626;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 161200 @ 0.00037484 = 60.4242 BTC [-]
1005642;1423009656;BingoBoingo;!s derp
1005643;1423009657;assbot;1516 results for 'derp' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=derp
1005644;1423009670;BingoBoingo;!s ass*
1005645;1423009671;assbot;284517 results for 'ass*' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=ass%2A
1005646;1423009687;BingoBoingo;!s Cryptsy
1005647;1423009688;assbot;102 results for 'Cryptsy' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=Cryptsy
1005648;1423009695;BingoBoingo;!s tits
1005649;1423009696;assbot;753 results for 'tits' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=tits
1005650;1423009709;BingoBoingo;the_scourge: ^ context
1005651;1423009871;BingoBoingo;Sure random anon bettors go with MP on 'Yes' https://bitbet.us/bet/1115/silk-road-deliberations-over-6-hours/
1005652;1423009872;assbot;BitBet - Silk Road Deliberations Over 6 Hours :: 1.25 B (54%) on Yes, 1.06 B (46%) on No | closing in 23 hours 28 minutes | weight: 100`000 (100`000 to 100`000) ... ( http://bit.ly/1z8Murz )
1005653;1423010408;the_scourge;now i know who they were and i still don't care
1005654;1423010431;the_scourge;at least i'm better at unremembering things nowadays
1005655;1423010438;the_scourge;'night
1005656;1423010698;scoopbot;New post on Qntra.net by cazalla: http://qntra.net/2015/02/phishing-with-coinbase/
1005657;1423010767;cazalla;^^^ this guy might've been able to steal more if he had the enough coins to make it worth his while to do some friendly fraud on coinbase but who knows
1005658;1423011389;thestringpuller;BingoBoingo: what is the resolution source on that bet?
1005659;1423011475;BingoBoingo;thestringpuller: I guess we are counting on the deliberation time being widely reported
1005660;1423011761;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 73500 @ 0.00038409 = 28.2306 BTC [+] {2} 
1005661;1423012719;punkman;another snip https://github.com/extempore/real-bitcoin/compare/guicruft-snip
1005662;1423012721;assbot;Comparing master...guicruft-snip · extempore/real-bitcoin · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1AqfcuK )
1005663;1423014445;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 42807 @ 0.00038415 = 16.4443 BTC [+]
1005664;1423015649;asciilifeform;punkman: is that a total de-wxcrudification i see ?
1005665;1423015654;asciilifeform;punkman: or only partial
1005666;1423015665;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 170937 @ 0.00038299 = 65.4672 BTC [-] {2} 
1005667;1423015756;*;asciilifeform total chump, came back from buying super-pleasure-led light bulbs only to discover that they won't fit in a single fixture he has
1005668;1423015798;mircea_popescu;pleasure leds ?
1005669;1423015804;mircea_popescu;what are you, potted plant ?
1005670;1423015810;*;asciilifeform learned from a previous chumpapade that the ones molded to occupy the space taken by ordinary bulb, are laughably dim
1005671;1423015820;*;asciilifeform hence bought the 1600 lumen units
1005672;1423015827;asciilifeform;ever so slightly too big.
1005673;1423015836;mircea_popescu;"accidentally"
1005674;1423015861;asciilifeform;not exactly. and not really a secret why
1005675;1423015896;punkman;asciilifeform: punkman: is that a total de-wxcrudification i see ? << I think so
1005676;1423015900;asciilifeform;(the massive heat sinks for the rectifier don't do well in enclosed domes. but idiots insisted on placing them therein anyway, torching their hose. never mind that my domes are open to 30cm of air on the top - can't allow fit!
1005677;1423015908;asciilifeform;thinkofthechildren (tm)
1005678;1423015913;asciilifeform;)
1005679;1423015938;mircea_popescu;see, if only dc won,
1005680;1423015942;mircea_popescu;you wouldn't need rectifiers.
1005681;1423015949;asciilifeform;aha.
1005682;1423015967;mircea_popescu;course the heat sink on the cables...
1005683;1423015999;asciilifeform;what cables.
1005684;1423016001;asciilifeform;bus bars.
1005685;1423016004;mircea_popescu;lol
1005686;1423016099;asciilifeform;punkman: looks like you clobbered all of it, nice
1005687;1423016193;asciilifeform;http://www.delta-systems.co.uk/resources/Delta-copper-bus-bars2.jpg << for noobs who have never heard of a 'bus bar'
1005688;1423016194;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1DDN9px )
1005689;1423016231;asciilifeform;(if you need them in jungle conditions, a copper water pipe hammered flat generally suffices)
1005690;1423016356;mircea_popescu;doesn't even have to be hammered
1005691;1423016414;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: generally, one ought to. 'skin effect' doesn't apply at dc.
1005692;1423016437;mircea_popescu;better fittings available for proper pipe.
1005693;1423016469;asciilifeform;http://www.dartmouth.edu/~sullivan/litzwire/skin.html
1005694;1423016470;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1zGzVsY )
1005695;1423016478;asciilifeform;better fittings - yes. for pipe.
1005696;1423016483;asciilifeform;pipe to wire - problematic.
1005697;1423016509;mircea_popescu;can always flatten the end :D
1005698;1423016520;asciilifeform;i've been known to do just that.
1005699;1423016524;asciilifeform;but i'm probably terminally lazy.
1005700;1423016649;asciilifeform;http://lubelia.livejournal.com/1121217.html << general interest (arts)
1005701;1423016670;asciilifeform;https://fotki.yandex.ru/next/users/ugluka/album/463141/view/980008?page=1&context= << this one in particular
1005702;1423016671;assbot;Яндекс.Фотки ... ( http://bit.ly/1DDOE76 )
1005703;1423016736;asciilifeform;mega-l0l at the Yandex ads:
1005704;1423016748;asciilifeform;'Наука узнавания еврея по лицу Гид по еврейскому лицу на booknik.ru18+ booknik.ru'
1005705;1423016771;asciilifeform;('guide to recognizing a jew using his face! guide to the jewish face on ...'
1005706;1423016773;asciilifeform;)
1005707;1423016785;asciilifeform;next ad is more mundane 'hotel rates in moscow' etc.
1005708;1423016786;mircea_popescu;this is somehow of value ?
1005709;1423016794;asciilifeform;of zoological value
1005710;1423016801;asciilifeform;i have yet to see an ad like this on 'google'
1005711;1423016806;asciilifeform;or in any engl. speaking venue
1005712;1423016834;*;asciilifeform does not normally repost spam, but this is a serious new (to him) page in spamatronics
1005713;1423016863;asciilifeform;as for the photo, i happen to like it. and think it would look good in any respectable salt mine.
1005714;1423016866;asciilifeform;in break room.
1005715;1423017025;asciilifeform;the_scourge: reddit article << now my turn to ask, what was the interesting part ?
1005716;1423017030;asciilifeform;i'm unable to find one
1005717;1423017056;asciilifeform;was it the stooge, proclaiming 'Then you shouldn't be pushing for btcd in the post. Btcd is harmful to consensus. Your proposal to have miners run multiple consensus implementations doesn't require btcd to exist and its existence doesn't benefit it.' ?
1005718;1423017076;asciilifeform;we already know about the spam farms. it's over.
1005719;1423017162;mircea_popescu;spam is over ?!
1005720;1423017180;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform which reminds me, you know the joke with the jew an' the big mean dog ?
1005721;1423017207;asciilifeform;'only the dead shall see the end of spam'
1005722;1423017210;asciilifeform;or the like
1005723;1423017213;asciilifeform;big dog ?
1005724;1423017252;asciilifeform;decimation: your cloak is broken.
1005725;1423017255;mircea_popescu;a scrawny jewish real estate agent is going down the street to show a house to a customer. on the way, a large butchery, and in it a huge dog
1005726;1423017265;mircea_popescu;which starts to bark quite furious. the jew stops in fear
1005727;1423017271;decimation;oh no
1005728;1423017280;mircea_popescu;the butcher, a huge guy with a huge mustache, "don't be afraid, it won't bite"
1005729;1423017287;mircea_popescu;to which the jew retorts "my good man!
1005730;1423017299;mircea_popescu;have you talked with the dog about this, or is it entirely your own opinion ?"
1005731;1423017307;asciilifeform;l0l!
1005732;1423017312;decimation;I wonder if it is because I joined before the cloak took effect
1005733;1423017329;mircea_popescu;it ? getting flooded ?
1005734;1423017370;asciilifeform;if using a braindamaged/misconfigured client, the time to stop is probably now
1005735;1423017420;decimation;it's funny, I don't see many incoming packets
1005736;1423017445;punkman;what's with the "(quit: Changing host)"?
1005737;1423017505;mircea_popescu;nice last words.
1005738;1423017521;mircea_popescu;"duck ? what duck ?! anvil ? what anvil ?"
1005739;1423017536;asciilifeform;'hey bubba, watch this'
1005740;1423017556;*;asciilifeform learned these 'famous last words' without context, but always imagined a frag involved
1005741;1423017558;mircea_popescu;;;google 'hey bubba, watch this'
1005742;1423017559;gribble;Hey Bubba, watch this! - YouTube: <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ktMdSmIwJ8Y>; HEY BUBBA - YouTube: <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bkEyaynMV-Y>; Hey Bubba Watch This by Ray Stevens | Song | Free Music, Listen ...: <https://myspace.com/raystevensmusic/music/song/hey-bubba-watch-this-43324733-99663337>
1005743;1423017609;mod6;hi all
1005744;1423017619;punkman;decimation: you need to use SASL
1005745;1423017699;decimation;punkman: I did use sasl
1005746;1423017713;mircea_popescu;use it twice!
1005747;1423017724;punkman;decimation: you were already using it?
1005748;1423017732;*;asciilifeform sits and contemplates mircea_popescu's software license, and increasingly likes it
1005749;1423017747;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform have you notice how my shit grows on one in retrospect ?
1005750;1423017759;decimation;punkman: ah no, apparently I failed to configure it when I changed computers
1005751;1423017766;mircea_popescu;starts as a joke, which is kinda funny, except haha, only funny, except hm... etc.
1005752;1423017790;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: i like to think i've pulled off this effect once or twice on folks
1005753;1423017833;mircea_popescu;what did the father of the girl schopenhauer was courting say ?
1005754;1423017840;asciilifeform;?
1005755;1423017848;mircea_popescu;"he's a nice enough fellow, if only he were more serious."
1005756;1423017873;asciilifeform;l0l
1005757;1423018096;*;asciilifeform is inescapably curious re: how the license in the article would actually behave in a secular court
1005758;1423018106;asciilifeform;should it somehow make its appearance there
1005759;1423018147;asciilifeform;the last clause of part (ii) would probably give a traditional jurist indigestion
1005760;1423018153;asciilifeform;but - ianal
1005761;1423018170;mircea_popescu;actually it would in principle bar any sort of legally organised body from ever using the software.
1005762;1423018177;asciilifeform;well yes
1005763;1423018178;asciilifeform;no shit
1005764;1423018193;mircea_popescu;so it's moot.
1005765;1423018202;asciilifeform;but is contract (implicit, 'shrinkwrap', otherwise) where one promises to break a law, a valid contract ?
1005766;1423018211;asciilifeform;for all i know the whole thing would be tossed, like a rich man's prenup
1005767;1423018233;mircea_popescu;well but if the whole thing's tossed then they have not acquired the right to use it.
1005768;1423018242;mircea_popescu;secular law is positive.
1005769;1423018252;asciilifeform;but then it's just like a missing license.
1005770;1423018261;mircea_popescu;no, it's like an actual unlicense.
1005771;1423018267;asciilifeform;^ good name
1005772;1423018278;asciilifeform;short, descriptive.
1005773;1423018280;asciilifeform;unlicense.
1005774;1423018311;punkman;next we will start planning the real unmonastery
1005775;1423018323;mircea_popescu;o no, that i already built.
1005776;1423018339;punkman;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=03-02-2015#1005496 << James C. Scott writes about this "legibility/illegibility" thing, quite relevant
1005777;1423018339;assbot;Logged on 03-02-2015 23:19:43; mircea_popescu: exactly antitethical to how wots work, incidentally. because coherence is the only possible attacxk against a wot.
1005778;1423018341;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu risks becoming famous as an 'anarchist' eben moglen now.
1005779;1423018355;mircea_popescu;i can't be famous, for obvious reasons.
1005780;1423018360;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu built un-nunnery
1005781;1423018362;mircea_popescu;only the politically impotent can ever be famous.
1005782;1423018370;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform punkman http://trilema.com/2015/aseara-fusei-la-una/ < first para.
1005783;1423018370;assbot;Aseara fusei la una... pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.  ... ( http://bit.ly/1DDTFwy )
1005784;1423018370;asciilifeform;un-monaster probably can only exist in neal stephenson's novel 'anathem.'
1005785;1423018471;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 89394 @ 0.0003716 = 33.2188 BTC [-]
1005786;1423018490;punkman;asciilifeform: see also http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=30-01-2015#998393
1005787;1423018490;assbot;Logged on 30-01-2015 12:58:09; punkman: http://unmonastery.org/
1005788;1423018513;decimation;apparently my ISP simply cuts me off if there's an incoming flood
1005789;1423018539;mircea_popescu;standard practice on cheap home connections, and the only reason the shit's even effective in any sense.
1005790;1423018544;asciilifeform;decimation: i'm curious how you determined that this is so, rather than the ordinary behaviour of a flooded router
1005791;1423018564;decimation;I was watching incoming packets on my main router
1005792;1423018575;decimation;went from something to zero, but it took about 30 seconds
1005793;1423018577;cazalla;http://www.cio.com.au/article/565496/webjet-exclusives-trials-bitcoin-payments/ sorta interesting if ya australia, not qntra newsworthy on account i would be stuck writing abc business converts bitcoin to fiat 24/7 otherwise
1005794;1423018580;assbot;Webjet Exclusives trials Bitcoin payments - CIO ... ( http://bit.ly/1DDUi9j )
1005795;1423018654;mircea_popescu;cazalla can't even be bothered to bet on it. "they'll make a bitcoin's worth of sales the first week, then half a bitcoin the next year and then that's that."
1005796;1423018660;mircea_popescu;"driving adoption" the reddit way.
1005797;1423018800;cazalla;well, at least they had the sense to avoid zhou's coinjar by going with bitpos instead
1005798;1423018833;cazalla;might raise the eyebrow of vexual, think we're the only 2 aussies..
1005799;1423018839;asciilifeform;re: ddos: i'm still at a loss at how snmp/ntp amplification ddosnets can carry on existing without a 'tragedy of the commons' situation - recall, anyone here could in principle invoke the chumpnet at any time
1005800;1423018849;asciilifeform;by sending precisely the same kind of forged packets the idiot sends
1005801;1423018855;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform cause we don't give a shit ?
1005802;1423018867;decimation;who am I gonna spam?
1005803;1423018870;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: well yes. but it also appears that no one, anywhere, gives a shit
1005804;1423018880;mircea_popescu;there's this very narrow lost demographic, mostly at the periphery of the world, made up of kids smart enough to be able to do it but dumb enough to not have anything better to do.
1005805;1423018883;asciilifeform;consider, any spammer in need of a ddosnet can simply walk into #b-a
1005806;1423018884;mircea_popescu;it is really very very narrow.
1005807;1423018886;asciilifeform;and get one for free
1005808;1423018893;mircea_popescu;like, toothbrush sidewalk cleaners.
1005809;1423018897;asciilifeform;lol
1005810;1423018902;asciilifeform;that has to be it.
1005811;1423018909;asciilifeform;i can't picture any other explanation, presently
1005812;1423018912;mircea_popescu;if you can do it with a toothbrush you could ... restore art, or make your own, or be a surgeon or etc.
1005813;1423018915;decimation;maybe someone should compile the list of broken devices and sell it on -otc?
1005814;1423018929;mircea_popescu;decimation but the people who could do it could get it anyway
1005815;1423018931;asciilifeform;decimation: kakobrekla and i already posted, for free...
1005816;1423018942;mircea_popescu;and anyone else a) doesn't hjave the money and b) would just be happy to send you support tickets
1005817;1423018949;asciilifeform;they also are not especially hard to scan for in the wild
1005818;1423018950;mircea_popescu;because the webwhrores charge for talking to them
1005819;1423018955;asciilifeform;which also helps to explain the disinterest
1005820;1423018983;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform also relevant : http://trilema.com/2014/o-hai-let-me-wanna-be/#comment-111914
1005821;1423018984;assbot;O hai let me wanna-be! pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.  ... ( http://bit.ly/1zdrrJj )
1005822;1423018996;mircea_popescu;chumps are routinely downed for their troubles. but "dunno what it was ?!?!?!"
1005823;1423019052;decimation;mircea_popescu: the guy is persistant, I would grant that though
1005824;1423019068;asciilifeform;how much persistence does it take to leave an automaton going.
1005825;1423019070;decimation;I'm not sure what point he is making, other than helping sort newbies here
1005826;1423019080;mircea_popescu;in the sense that a nineteen year old with a very messy room is a persistent masturbator, sure.
1005827;1423019088;decimation;well, presumably he has other people to harass for profit
1005828;1423019092;mircea_popescu;lol
1005829;1423019102;mircea_popescu;hey, want this bridge btw ? i'm selling it.
1005830;1423019106;mircea_popescu;i make a lot of money selling bridges.
1005831;1423019116;asciilifeform;on the days when b-a noobs are unmolested, presumably someone else is being serviced
1005832;1423019117;mircea_popescu;online.
1005833;1423019124;decimation;are you a professional with a license?
1005834;1423019133;mircea_popescu;i am a successful online bridge merchant.
1005835;1423019142;asciilifeform;bridge like a pro in twenty-one days.
1005836;1423019144;mircea_popescu;i can have my customers contact you if you wish
1005837;1423019189;mircea_popescu;i am the one that sold the ukalele guggenheim bridge in abudja
1005838;1423019201;asciilifeform;https://www.google.com/search?tbm=isch&sa=1&q=twenty-one+days+book
1005839;1423019202;assbot;twenty-one days book - Google Search ... ( http://bit.ly/1zds4CC )
1005840;1423019203;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 104219 @ 0.00037237 = 38.808 BTC [+] {2} 
1005841;1423019222;decimation;learn to write twenty-one days books in just twenty-one days
1005842;1423019259;asciilifeform;i have this notion that the original was the cpp one.
1005843;1423019273;mircea_popescu;"my twenty-one days dating twenty-one twenty-one day book authors"
1005844;1423019273;asciilifeform;'learn c++ in 21 days'
1005845;1423019299;mircea_popescu;"my twenty-one days dating twenty-one twenty-one years old twenty-one day book authors"
1005846;1423019321;asciilifeform;some wag had a (unfortunately parodic) 'learn to code in 21 years'
1005847;1423019347;mircea_popescu;how i learned twenty one languages twenty one times in twenty one days
1005848;1423019386;cazalla;mircea_popescu, http://mobile.nytimes.com/2015/02/04/world/americas/argentina-prosecutor-alberto-nisman-arrest-warrant-cristina-de-kirchner.html?referrer=
1005849;1423019389;assbot;Log In ... ( http://bit.ly/1zdssAU )
1005850;1423019398;mircea_popescu;wait wut
1005851;1423019417;mircea_popescu;a that. yeah.
1005852;1423019448;cazalla;figured it was new aspect to that story, don't remember reading in logs he planned to arrest that chick
1005853;1423019522;mircea_popescu;yeah it was one of the numerous points making a juicy press story
1005854;1423019537;mircea_popescu;anyway, he can't actually do it. you can;t arrest a president.
1005855;1423019544;mircea_popescu;however, her term's about over, after which...
1005856;1423019610;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform im pretty sure it was.
1005857;1423019620;mircea_popescu;early 90s
1005858;1423020318;mod6;incase anyone was interested, here's my errors from yesterday: http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=iweEQCpu
1005859;1423020320;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1DDY3LN )
1005860;1423020362;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 108850 @ 0.00037444 = 40.7578 BTC [+] {2} 
1005861;1423020546;decimation;http://sciencecareers.sciencemag.org/career_magazine/previous_issues/articles/2015_02_03/caredit.a1500027 << "But the first report on the class of 2015 from the respected National Association of Colleges and Employers (NACE), which conducts multiple surveys of employers’ hiring intentions throughout the year, projects a 9% drop in the salaries of new computer science bachelor's degree graduates, from $67,300 in 2014 to $61,287 this
1005862;1423020547;assbot;Another funny thing happened on the way to the STEM shortage | Science Careers ... ( http://bit.ly/1DDYtBR )
1005863;1423020547;decimation;year."
1005864;1423020972;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 130795 @ 0.00036764 = 48.0855 BTC [-]
1005865;1423021681;mike_c;jurov: please and ty: http://pastebin.com/Dp3RbqtU
1005866;1423021682;assbot;-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----  Hash: SHA512    Please deposit s.qntr shares - Pastebin.com ... ( http://bit.ly/1DE0RbQ )
1005867;1423022009;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 40886 @ 0.0003676 = 15.0297 BTC [-] {2} 
1005868;1423023420;asciilifeform;http://mobile.nytimes.com/2015/01/27/world/americas/journalist-damian-pachter-in-argentina-fearing-for-his-safety-flees-to-israel.html
1005869;1423023423;assbot;Log In ... ( http://bit.ly/1zdCW3s )
1005870;1423023430;asciilifeform;^ re: that thing
1005871;1423023580;asciilifeform;mod6: 'ERROR: ConnectInputs() : 2c2314f353 VerifySignature failed' always ?
1005872;1423023642;mod6;I could try it again.
1005873;1423023652;asciilifeform;mod6: i notice it was the same in the first pastebin
1005874;1423023656;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 53761 @ 0.00036626 = 19.6905 BTC [-]
1005875;1423023665;asciilifeform;mod6: do these refer to 2 distinct runs ?
1005876;1423023665;*;mod6 looks back
1005877;1423023672;mod6;yeah, two seperate runs
1005878;1423023743;asciilifeform;for reference, http://btc.yt/lxr/satoshi/source/src/main.cpp#0942
1005879;1423023744;assbot;Satoshi 0.5.3.1/src/main.cpp ... ( http://bit.ly/1zdDTbN )
1005880;1423023765;asciilifeform;grep your debug.log for any other instances of 'VerifySignature failed'
1005881;1423023809;mod6;yeah.
1005882;1423023812;mod6;I see that.
1005883;1423023826;*;mod6 looks @ main.cpp
1005884;1423023843;asciilifeform;it isn't in any of my debug.log.
1005885;1423023848;asciilifeform;in my entire collection
1005886;1423023854;asciilifeform;(which is a few years long)
1005887;1423023863;asciilifeform;but this doesn't tell us anything earth-shaking, yet
1005888;1423023945;mod6;hmm. i remember this bit of code in main
1005889;1423023947;asciilifeform;in turn,
1005890;1423023949;asciilifeform;http://btc.yt/lxr/satoshi/source/src/main.cpp#1099
1005891;1423023950;assbot;Satoshi 0.5.3.1/src/main.cpp ... ( http://bit.ly/1xc8NMz )
1005892;1423023965;asciilifeform;is the only place where fBlock is true
1005893;1423024186;danielpbarron;my pogo running asciilifeform's bastard crashes quite often
1005894;1423024195;asciilifeform;danielpbarron: as did mine
1005895;1423024198;asciilifeform;but how often.
1005896;1423024206;danielpbarron;every hour or so
1005897;1423024206;asciilifeform;and what kind of crash
1005898;1423024218;asciilifeform;the usual oom ?
1005899;1423024259;asciilifeform;i'm actually not certain that 250 is low enough setting to make a detectable difference on pogo
1005900;1423024260;danielpbarron;std::bad_alloc
1005901;1423024267;asciilifeform;^ that'd be an oom.
1005902;1423024294;asciilifeform;the bastard patch made the thing actually usable on pc for the first time (in my view)
1005903;1423024301;asciilifeform;but has not solved the central problem of pogo
1005904;1423024326;danielpbarron;is this something swap space would solve?
1005905;1423024327;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 99475 @ 0.00036382 = 36.191 BTC [-]
1005906;1423024338;asciilifeform;danielpbarron: swapping on a pogo is a nonstarter
1005907;1423024342;asciilifeform;go ahead, try it
1005908;1423024374;danielpbarron;i'll take your word for it :p
1005909;1423024376;asciilifeform;(for one thing, you are liable to nuke your ssd, if you have one)
1005910;1423024388;asciilifeform;by no means is anyone encouraged to take my word for things.
1005911;1423024423;danielpbarron;i'm currently using a sdd
1005912;1423024434;danielpbarron;the old-fashioned laptop spinny drive arrive today
1005913;1423024451;asciilifeform;swapping is the more or less one guaranteed way to ruin an arbitrarily good ssd.
1005914;1423024454;danielpbarron;ss*
1005915;1423024481;danielpbarron;what about spinning drive for swap and usb3 flash drive for chain
1005916;1423024499;asciilifeform;requiring a spinning drive is bleh
1005917;1423024501;danielpbarron;rather not have to do that though
1005918;1423024508;asciilifeform;not to mention dog slow
1005919;1423024510;asciilifeform;as in, unusably
1005920;1423024553;asciilifeform;bitcoin could handily run under 100MB constant if the whole bastards thing were somehow bulldozed
1005921;1423024581;asciilifeform;in my 'valgrind' experiments, i've found that it is responsible for virtually all growth in footprint since powerup
1005922;1423024643;asciilifeform;https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/bitcoinj/nPwTvke0VOM << mod6, others
1005923;1423024644;assbot;Google Discussiegroepen ... ( http://bit.ly/1zdFQ8k )
1005924;1423024647;asciilifeform;^ interesting
1005925;1423024669;*;danielpbarron has a fresh new gentoo install
1005926;1423024733;asciilifeform;danielpbarron: tried building yet ?
1005927;1423024748;asciilifeform;note that you can build for pc if you replace the cross compiler with standard gcc
1005928;1423024750;danielpbarron;waiting for stuff to install
1005929;1423024760;asciilifeform;you can then use same script ('portatronic')
1005930;1423024768;asciilifeform;for all builds
1005931;1423024770;danielpbarron;neat
1005932;1423024802;danielpbarron;what is the prefered format for documentation? .txt, .html ?
1005933;1423024811;asciilifeform;i'd say txt
1005934;1423024844;mod6;it seems like the growing thought seems to be to get a list of 50300 active nodes and seed those directly into the R.I., or am I misunderstanding that??
1005935;1423024861;asciilifeform;iirc that was the closest thing to a plan
1005936;1423024911;[]bot;Bet placed: 1 BTC for No on "Russian Index RTS to drop under 500 before March 2015" http://bitbet.us/bet/1109/ Odds: 21(Y):79(N) by coin, 30(Y):70(N) by weight. Total bet: 5.0574767 BTC. Current weight: 50,712.
1005937;1423024914;[]bot;Bet placed: 1 BTC for No on "Gold to top $1500 before 16 May" http://bitbet.us/bet/1106/ Odds: 21(Y):79(N) by coin, 23(Y):77(N) by weight. Total bet: 5.3 BTC. Current weight: 81,880.
1005938;1423024916;[]bot;Bet placed: 1 BTC for No on "The Winkdex: BTC $5000 or more in 2015" http://bitbet.us/bet/1104/ Odds: 18(Y):82(N) by coin, 18(Y):82(N) by weight. Total bet: 53.573 BTC. Current weight: 93,664.
1005939;1423024919;[]bot;Bet placed: 1 BTC for No on "Obama Impeached" http://bitbet.us/bet/1062/ Odds: 12(Y):88(N) by coin, 14(Y):86(N) by weight. Total bet: 3.6059 BTC. Current weight: 74,101.
1005940;1423024931;asciilifeform;http://bitcoinstats.com/irc/bitcoin-dev/logs/2012/05/19#l1337398628 << also interesting
1005941;1423024931;assbot;BitcoinStats ... ( http://bit.ly/1zdGzpO )
1005942;1423024937;*;mod6 looks
1005943;1423024998;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 106400 @ 0.00036126 = 38.4381 BTC [-] {2} 
1005944;1423025266;punkman;http://bitcoinstats.com/irc/bitcoin-dev/logs/2012/05/14#l1336971557
1005945;1423025267;assbot;BitcoinStats ... ( http://bit.ly/1zdHFlC )
1005946;1423025364;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 95132 @ 0.00036576 = 34.7955 BTC [+] {2} 
1005947;1423025691;mod6;thanks for the links asciilifeform
1005948;1423025825;mod6;thx punkman
1005949;1423026645;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 78550 @ 0.00036811 = 28.915 BTC [+]
1005950;1423026660;*;mod6 digs through debug.log
1005951;1423027146;punkman;mod6, this might be relevant https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/commit/d68dcf741e088d8d7033521aa1a1e5e87d9dd283
1005952;1423027147;assbot;Limit the impact of reorganisations on the database ·  d68dcf7 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1uWaspC )
1005953;1423027182;asciilifeform;punkman: interesting find
1005954;1423027205;punkman;also commits on bottom of this page: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/commits/master/src/main.cpp?page=23
1005955;1423027207;assbot;History for src/main.cpp - bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1uWaDkA )
1005956;1423027292;*;mod6 looks
1005957;1423027379;punkman;oh wait, not very relevant
1005958;1423027460;punkman;that sipa/unstuck commit caught my eye
1005959;1423027850;mod6;asciilifeform: so is the thought to connect to nodes that are fully-sync'd? and the issue is that we're connecting, by chance to nodes that do not have full sync?
1005960;1423027867;mod6;I'm looking at your email (http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2015-February/000046.html) and just wondering about this list...
1005961;1423027879;asciilifeform;either that, or reject garbage in some more efficient way
1005962;1423027892;mod6;(that starts after this line: (Warning - long. You can safely skip to the end.))
1005963;1423027914;mod6;ok. interesting. wonder if that relates to this:
1005964;1423028048;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 156500 @ 0.00038361 = 60.035 BTC [+]
1005965;1423028061;mod6;https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/921#issuecomment-5123768
1005966;1423028063;assbot;checkmark shows blockchain fully downloaded, but progress bar shows 99% · Issue #921 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1CY2Fhj )
1005967;1423028100;mod6;anyway, guess it doesnt matter
1005968;1423028139;mod6;is there an easy way to feed bitcoind a list of nodes that we want to use for seed?
1005969;1423028175;asciilifeform;mod6: iirc punkman found a way to roll them all into the config
1005970;1423028188;asciilifeform;(with no additional code)
1005971;1423028215;punkman;connect or addnode in bitcoin.conf should work
1005972;1423028237;mod6;ahh, thats right!
1005973;1423028250;mod6;good-ole ATC taught us that :]
1005974;1423028272;mod6;aight. time to test this out.
1005975;1423028325;asciilifeform;mod6: we're connecting, by chance to nodes that do not have full sync << we also get every new block thrown at us
1005976;1423028328;asciilifeform;whether ready or not
1005977;1423028772;mod6;ok well asciilifeform, I think I'll try the first one in your list since it's 100% sync'd
1005978;1423028784;mod6;as opposed to these:
1005979;1423028785;asciilifeform;mod6: you realize these are ancient numbers
1005980;1423028794;asciilifeform;of questionable veracity to begin with
1005981;1423028813;ben_vulpes;evening.
1005982;1423028821;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes!
1005983;1423028830;ben_vulpes;salud
1005984;1423028835;ben_vulpes;i come in unprepared for this conversation
1005985;1423028846;mod6;http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=Ck6H6xwv
1005986;1423028847;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1CY3TcH )
1005987;1423028868;mod6;asciilifeform: oh the sipa txt is super old 'eh
1005988;1423028879;asciilifeform;mod6: i actually don't know precisely how old
1005989;1423028884;asciilifeform;but certainly not real-time current.
1005990;1423028913;mod6;alright. thx.
1005991;1423028993;ben_vulpes;all of this over a few IPs
1005992;1423029025;ben_vulpes;peer discovery is totally fucked.
1005993;1423029033;ben_vulpes;unsurprising, but disappointing.
1005994;1423029040;ben_vulpes;sounds like it needs a bit of manual ass-kicking.
1005995;1423029089;ben_vulpes;now i understand how sensitive everyone is to the exposure of weapons-grade nodes to the internet at large, but i for one would greatly appreciate a few nodes of known vintage that would barf blocks to me at will for the testing of various bitcoinds.
1005996;1423029121;asciilifeform;exposure of weapons-grade nodes to the internet at large << wai wat?! how would node function off the net ?
1005997;1423029133;*;danielpbarron has two nodes on two different ips running different versions
1005998;1423029183;ben_vulpes;the foundation's resources are meager. big servers that can build in parallel and download many chains in parallel are probably not a feasible acquisition at this time.
1005999;1423029200;ben_vulpes;asciilifeform: there's a bit of difference between connecting a node to the net and putting the IP into -assets.
1006000;1423029207;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 120104 @ 0.00038367 = 46.0803 BTC [+] {2} 
1006001;1423029235;mod6;first one is muerte
1006002;1423029239;*;mod6 tries another
1006003;1423029299;mod6;second one was active 1.34.180.245
1006004;1423029308;*;mod6 eats
1006005;1423029428;asciilifeform;mod6: use my liveness tester
1006006;1423029577;*;mod6 try it out
1006007;1423029825;asciilifeform;mod6: the second version posted uses lists of ip in plain ascii
1006008;1423029865;mod6;yeah, using 2nd version. thanks!
1006009;1423029927;punkman;jurov, how come diff doesn't work http://btc.yt/lxr/satoshi/diff/src/main.cpp
1006010;1423029928;assbot;Satoshi 0.5.3.1/src/main.cpp ... ( http://bit.ly/1CY5MWJ )
1006011;1423029944;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: if your node can't survive being linked in -assets, it probably isn't fit to fight in the great war
1006012;1423030081;mod6;PASS: 0; FAIL 313500.
1006013;1423030111;mod6;i must have done something wrong. but anyway, I'll give it a shot tomorrow.
1006014;1423030121;mod6;im gonna leave this sync run overnight.
1006015;1423030140;mod6;for the record, its: v0.5.3 + patches { 1, rm_rf_upnp, 2, 3, 4 & 6 }
1006016;1423030183;mod6;buenas noches b-a
1006017;1423030242;ben_vulpes;sleep well
1006018;1423032196;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 62350 @ 0.00036807 = 22.9492 BTC [-] {2} 
1006019;1423033295;cazalla;i think it is interesting to note that qntra has surpassed a competing site, founded in april 2014, in what.. 4 months.. https://www.quantcast.com/coinbrief.net vs https://www.quantcast.com/qntra.net
1006020;1423033296;assbot;                  Coinbrief.net Traffic and Demographic Statistics by Quantcast                   ... ( http://bit.ly/16g3fu2 )
1006021;1423033298;assbot;                  Qntra.net Traffic and Demographic Statistics by Quantcast                   ... ( http://bit.ly/1v2UsSv )
1006022;1423033538;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 67800 @ 0.00036804 = 24.9531 BTC [-]
1006023;1423033782;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 69050 @ 0.00036703 = 25.3434 BTC [-] {2} 
1006024;1423034087;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 56505 @ 0.00037435 = 21.1526 BTC [+]
1006025;1423034392;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 4912 @ 0.00094242 = 4.6292 BTC [-] {24} 
1006026;1423034593;punkman;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0fWhYJNZt08
1006027;1423034594;assbot;Dashcam footage captures Taiwan plane crash - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/16g5Xjk )
1006028;1423034956;punkman;"There’s a distinction between the Internet and IRL for a reason. We are here in IRL, and we have to make judgements in IRL." - Ulbricht's lawyer
1006029;1423035368;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23200 @ 0.00036933 = 8.5685 BTC [-]
1006030;1423035673;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 92187 @ 0.00036525 = 33.6713 BTC [-] {2} 
1006031;1423036139;cazalla;punkman, horry sheet
1006032;1423036954;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 407904 @ 0.00037601 = 153.376 BTC [+] {4} 
1006033;1423037241;punkman;http://eoimages.gsfc.nasa.gov/images/imagerecords/85000/85218/MediterraneanSea_amo_2015032_lrg.jpg
1006034;1423037245;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/18Mx3QS )
1006035;1423037248;punkman;it's been dusty
1006036;1423037503;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 156057 @ 0.00038379 = 59.8931 BTC [+] {2} 
1006037;1423037564;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 103315 @ 0.00038521 = 39.798 BTC [+] {2} 
1006038;1423038174;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 90450 @ 0.00036231 = 32.7709 BTC [-]
1006039;1423038845;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 167720 @ 0.00037933 = 63.6212 BTC [+]
1006040;1423040370;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 173350 @ 0.00036705 = 63.6281 BTC [-] {3} 
1006041;1423040980;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 158000 @ 0.00036121 = 57.0712 BTC [-] {2} 
1006042;1423041479;danielpbarron;;;later tell LainZ gribble> New rating | LainZ > 1 > pankkake | bitcoin enthusiast, miss his trolling on #b-a  << wrong WoT -- assbot forked it
1006043;1423041479;gribble;The operation succeeded.
1006044;1423041773;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 229700 @ 0.0003652 = 83.8864 BTC [+] {2} 
1006045;1423043685;danielpbarron;;;rated irdial
1006046;1423043685;gribble;You rated user irdial on Mon Jan 12 17:05:35 2015, with a rating of 1, and supplied these additional notes: blocked me on twitter, but i forgive him. https://twitter.com/Beautyon_/status/514374369569939456.
1006047;1423043689;danielpbarron;!rated irdial
1006048;1423043689;assbot;irdial is not registered in WoT.
1006049;1423043702;danielpbarron;;;later tell kakobrekla ^ ??
1006050;1423043702;gribble;The operation succeeded.
1006051;1423043760;danielpbarron;wanted to do this -> !rate irdial -2 UnSavory Garnish http://twitter.com/beautyon_/status/562908880511201280
1006052;1423043761;assbot;Bonafide Raises $850k to Build Reputation System for Bitcoin http://t.co/bTDihYENyC
1006053;1423043761;kakobrekla;>Mon Jan 12
1006054;1423043775;kakobrekla;after fork
1006055;1423043788;danielpbarron;ah
1006056;1423043820;danielpbarron;well that makes sense considering what he just said to me on twitter
1006057;1423043966;scoopbot;New post on Qntra.net by cazalla: http://qntra.net/2015/02/is-bitnplay-a-case-of-shuffle-up-and-steal/
1006058;1423044123;cazalla;i thought maybe irdial drank more than me but who knows
1006059;1423044152;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 63600 @ 0.00036019 = 22.9081 BTC [-] {3} 
1006060;1423044579;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 143000 @ 0.00036893 = 52.757 BTC [+]
1006061;1423044640;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 49300 @ 0.00037048 = 18.2647 BTC [+]
1006062;1423047995;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 154800 @ 0.00037071 = 57.3859 BTC [+] {2} 
1006063;1423048532;adlai;"Job Title / Occupation" the only possible answer i can find to this question is "Palestine", but i don't think that's what they're asking for
1006064;1423048972;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 99700 @ 0.00037229 = 37.1173 BTC [+] {2} 
1006065;1423049106;mthreat;;;later tell mircea_popescu i'm going to try sending a bitcoin txn today from antarctica. the amount will be 0.1337 btc
1006066;1423049106;gribble;The operation succeeded.
1006067;1423049413;cazalla;mthreat, is that a first?
1006068;1423049417;jurov;you're sending it to mpex? as gracious donation to shareholders?
1006069;1423049459;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 217650 @ 0.00037875 = 82.4349 BTC [+] {2} 
1006070;1423049588;mthreat;cazalla: I'm not sure, but I'll claim it and see wh ochallenges it ;)  Kind of like how countries claimed parts of antarctica when they arrived.
1006071;1423049626;mthreat;jurov: i'm sending it as a donation, sure.  MP said he would send it back if I want.
1006072;1423049649;cazalla;well, let me know when it's done and the transaction ID and i'll post it up on qntra as the first when i wake in the morning
1006073;1423049654;jurov;do you have la serenissima flag to claim it?
1006074;1423049978;mthreat;cazalla: Here it is: https://blockchain.info/tx/4cb1574e6bbb5f5d39b00a8791d82e11a6dc32600a02f80266f94268ee518a0d
1006075;1423049980;assbot;        Bitcoin Transaction 4cb1574e6bbb5f5d39b00a8791d82e11a6dc32600a02f80266f94268ee518a0d     ... ( http://bit.ly/1DxdNQt )
1006076;1423050018;jurov;it says gulf of guinea!!! scam!!1
1006077;1423050056;cazalla;lol scam
1006078;1423050075;cazalla;i'm headed to bed, i'll figure it out in the morn
1006079;1423050084;mthreat;Here's exactly where I am, for the details: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Port_Lockroy
1006080;1423050085;assbot;Port Lockroy - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ... ( http://bit.ly/1Dxe2eo )
1006081;1423050101;mthreat;and my tweet: https://twitter.com/mthreat/status/562938829267808259
1006082;1423050102;assbot;I just sent a 0.1337 bitcoin transaction from Port Lockroy, Antarctica - https://t.co/wV7cVjqjk2
1006083;1423050102;jurov;(;
1006084;1423050495;jurov;congrats!
1006085;1423051509;[]bot;Bet placed: 5 BTC for No on "Bitcoin to surpass Berkshire as an investment" http://bitbet.us/bet/786/ Odds: 20(Y):80(N) by coin, 43(Y):57(N) by weight. Total bet: 5514.50957001 BTC. Current weight: 3,130.
1006086;1423053851;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 150700 @ 0.00037924 = 57.1515 BTC [+]
1006087;1423053973;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 244199 @ 0.00037928 = 92.6198 BTC [+] {2} 
1006088;1423054601;BingoBoingo;!up hdbuck
1006089;1423054605;BingoBoingo;Hello hdbuck
1006090;1423055620;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 77950 @ 0.00037933 = 29.5688 BTC [+]
1006091;1423055972;adlai;bitcoin hasn't been in space yet, right? iirc somebody sent chris hadfield a changetip, but that's not bitcoin...
1006092;1423056047;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 228150 @ 0.00038056 = 86.8248 BTC [+] {3} 
1006093;1423056108;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 98050 @ 0.00037634 = 36.9001 BTC [-]
1006094;1423056625;jurov;gotta launch the pogoplug
1006095;1423056806;jurov;int space
1006096;1423056885;mod6;morning.  ok lastnights test wedged going against a fully-loaded 70002 seed: http://pastebin.com/4Ps9ZxDJ
1006097;1423056886;assbot;root@ip-W-X-Y-Z:/mnt/btc-dev/sandbox/bitcoin-bitcoin-a8def6b/src# date  Wed Feb  - Pastebin.com ... ( http://bit.ly/1uXfhyQ )
1006098;1423056913;mod6;no worries, gotta run though, will test direct against a 50300 later tonight.
1006099;1423057084;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23451 @ 0.00037104 = 8.7013 BTC [-]
1006100;1423058122;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 126549 @ 0.00037104 = 46.9547 BTC [-]
1006101;1423058548;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 167186 @ 0.00038011 = 63.5491 BTC [+] {3} 
1006102;1423058731;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 1500 @ 0.00096846 = 1.4527 BTC [-] {5} 
1006103;1423060256;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 42751 @ 0.00037261 = 15.9295 BTC [-]
1006104;1423061171;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 270082 @ 0.00036266 = 97.9479 BTC [-] {3} 
1006105;1423062025;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 109753 @ 0.00037063 = 40.6778 BTC [+]
1006106;1423062086;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 32396 @ 0.00037063 = 12.0069 BTC [+]
1006107;1423062311;mircea_popescu;o hey, first antarctica bitcoin tx ?
1006108;1423062452;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 277142 @ 0.00036543 = 101.276 BTC [-] {3} 
1006109;1423062513;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 78558 @ 0.00035949 = 28.2408 BTC [-]
1006110;1423062671;mircea_popescu;mod6 persuing your error log : it would seem to me that for some reason your peers keep pumping you with blocks  height=168002 and over, whereas yotu never get  height=168001.
1006111;1423062680;mircea_popescu;this causes oom errors because narrow space for orphans.
1006112;1423062690;mircea_popescu;it MAY be a subtle off-by-one error somewhere in the code.
1006113;1423062725;mircea_popescu;note that none of the blocvks you receive match your sent getdata.
1006114;1423062911;mircea_popescu;the fact that no checkpoints means no error would perhaps bolster the "bad code, off by one" hypothesis and relate it to the checkpoints implementation.
1006115;1423062968;mircea_popescu;decimation: from $67,300 in 2014 to $61,287 this << remember the lulzy "need immigration to maintain geniusness of industree" paul graham nonsense ?
1006116;1423062998;mircea_popescu;aka "too many english speakers read trilema, lol @ us, need fresh turnip trucks plox"
1006117;1423063185;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 54972 @ 0.00038081 = 20.9339 BTC [+] {2} 
1006118;1423063384;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform: swapping is the more or less one guaranteed way to ruin an arbitrarily good ssd. << while the principle is correct, in point of fact i would like this experimentally tried in our current case.
1006119;1423063464;mircea_popescu;roughly speaking, my rationale is like this : because a large chunk of fixed data is always present (the actual blockchain), should a 100gb ssd be blessed with a 4gb swap partition, the drive finds itself in the position where the 100gb * 10k (say) writes are available as such : 100gb of them for the actual data, and 100gb * 9999 for the 4gb partition.
1006120;1423063498;mircea_popescu;obviously 250`000 full rewrites of the swap means a decade or more of intense usage, and so, a perfectly economic use of the ssd in question.
1006121;1423063545;mircea_popescu;so danielpbarron, if you feel like trying a generous swap on one of the pogos, with the understanding that the ssd disk you put in there will likely fry, please do so, and document the exeriment as well as possible.
1006122;1423063560;danielpbarron;k
1006123;1423063695;mircea_popescu;it's an ideal usecase for the "use ssd until it fries" because the value of running a pogo is in its running. so a pogo that ran for 3.5 years then died, had part replaced and resynced over three weeks then ran for another 3.5 years is a perfectly functional, 99.999% uptime pogo as good as any other.
1006124;1423063706;mircea_popescu;same can almost never be said of catastrophic failure hdd system.
1006125;1423064075;thestringpuller;who cares about hdd's frying when you gotz da raidz
1006126;1423064095;thestringpuller;hot swap those bitches
1006127;1423064100;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 169000 @ 0.00039079 = 66.0435 BTC [+] {3} 
1006128;1423064339;thestringpuller;http://newsbtc.com/2015/02/04/st-petersburg-bowl-bitpay-sponsor-nascar-driver/ << so bitpay is going the way of dogecoin
1006129;1423064348;thestringpuller;"Mass Adoption! Ya ya ya!"
1006130;1423064352;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform: bitcoin could handily run under 100MB constant if the whole bastards thing were somehow bulldozed << yeah it's one of those serious issues that should have been on teh priority list of actual core devs. in 2012.
1006131;1423064406;mircea_popescu;mod6: it seems like the growing thought seems to be to get a list of 50300 active nodes and seed those directly into the R.I., or am I misunderstanding that?? << completely misunderstanding that.
1006132;1423064416;mircea_popescu;the plan is to put wot-member signed nodes in and nothing else.
1006133;1423064459;thestringpuller;RE Tax man accepting bitcoin from yesterday logs: http://panampost.com/belen-marty/2015/02/04/new-hampshire-bill-backs-bitcoin-for-state-taxes/
1006134;1423064546;thestringpuller;o look mircea_popescu the author is in your neck of the woods: "Belén Marty is the Libertarian Latina, a journalist based in Buenos Aires, Argentina."
1006135;1423064562;mircea_popescu;she can figure out how to get in here like anyone else.
1006136;1423064572;mircea_popescu;my neck of the woods is a city larger than all of california.
1006137;1423064766;fluffypony;http://www.savagechickens.com/wp-content/uploads/chickenhappy70.jpg
1006138;1423064767;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1u8P3ON )
1006139;1423064770;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 166400 @ 0.00038906 = 64.7396 BTC [-]
1006140;1423064813;mircea_popescu;heh
1006141;1423064886;mircea_popescu;cazalla: i think it is interesting to note that qntra has surpassed a competing site, founded in april 2014 << i have never heard of it, but mebbe ask em if they want to join in ?
1006142;1423064911;mircea_popescu;seems a lone guy with enough irl acumen to make a corp.
1006143;1423064939;mircea_popescu;punkman: "There�s a distinction between the Internet and IRL for a reason. We are here in IRL, and we have to make judgements in IRL." - Ulbricht's lawyer << did he actually point to the distinction or merely presume it ?
1006144;1423065338;mircea_popescu;assbot: Bonafide Raises $850k to Build Reputation System for Bitcoin << pics! http://trilema.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/02/bonafide-1.jpg http://trilema.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/02/bonafide-2.jpg
1006145;1423065338;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1u8SxRx )
1006146;1423065339;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1u8SAws )
1006147;1423065369;fluffypony;lol
1006148;1423065398;mircea_popescu;(that's what the azns call a love hotel, above. and that's a [cheap] whore cafe)
1006149;1423065508;mircea_popescu;mthreat: Here's exactly where I am, for the details << yeh but how are we to verify!
1006150;1423065520;mircea_popescu;maybe you're hanging out with capitanich all along!
1006151;1423065553;punkman;mircea_popescu: I presume the guy's closing argument was him flapping his hands
1006152;1423065561;mircea_popescu;lol
1006153;1423066112;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 118900 @ 0.00038906 = 46.2592 BTC [-]
1006154;1423066161;mircea_popescu;cazalla  BingoBoingo http://pastebin.com/hZVCehf8 << for your editorial consideration.
1006155;1423066162;assbot;Title : IBL, almost larger than IRL.    First ever (as far as we currently know  - Pastebin.com ... ( http://bit.ly/1C0MG0M )
1006156;1423066362;mircea_popescu;"Bitnplay's failure to launch comes off the back of what can only be described as a disappointing result in an attempt to raise 400 BTC. Offering a total of 200 tokens to investors via CounterParty, Bitnplay managed to sell a grand total of 5, netting them 10 BTC."
1006157;1423066363;mircea_popescu;lawl.
1006158;1423066479;jurov;re:pogostick swap woes - has anyone tried to enable zram?
1006159;1423066522;mircea_popescu;wouldn't that slow it down futher ? cpu wise i mean
1006160;1423066558;mircea_popescu;and also, isn't it merged into kernel  by now ?
1006161;1423066726;jurov;it must be enabled in any case
1006162;1423066745;jurov;compressed in-memory swap is not suitable for everything by default
1006163;1423066778;mircea_popescu;this is true.
1006164;1423067086;PeterL;mircea_popescu:the plan is to put wot-member signed nodes in and nothing else. << add another command to assbot to collect ip addrs?
1006165;1423067106;mircea_popescu;nah, people can just use deedbot
1006166;1423067262;jurov;half of our condo got flooded from somewhere two stories above. phun.
1006167;1423067306;jurov;i've got only a puddle fortunately.
1006168;1423067330;mircea_popescu;what aobut the people one story above ? enjoying the free water ?
1006169;1423067502;jurov;yea "tomorrow we have a visitation at work i was not sleeping at night last few days and now this!!!"
1006170;1423067521;mircea_popescu;visitation ?!
1006171;1423067528;mircea_popescu;that's jesus showing up you know.
1006172;1423067536;jurov;lolk
1006173;1423067560;jurov;inspection
1006174;1423067597;mircea_popescu;i liked visitaiton better :D makes the story lulzier
1006175;1423067697;jurov;tap water is off. time to open beer!
1006176;1423068081;danielpbarron;height=183146
1006177;1423068491;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35177 @ 0.00038906 = 13.686 BTC [-]
1006178;1423069223;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 166750 @ 0.00039001 = 65.0342 BTC [+] {4} 
1006179;1423069314;asciilifeform;275384
1006180;1423069613;mircea_popescu;gee, almost fully synced ?
1006181;1423069627;mircea_popescu;has it even been a full week ?
1006182;1423069648;mircea_popescu;http://mako.cc/copyrighteous/cultivated-disinterest-in-professional-sports#comment-597330 << check it out, mako guy actually published my comment.
1006183;1423069650;assbot;Cultivated Disinterest in Professional Sports | copyrighteous ... ( http://bit.ly/1F6ffdW )
1006184;1423069650;davout;asciilifeform: that's the pogo??
1006185;1423069659;mircea_popescu;where's that head explosion gif
1006186;1423069671;mircea_popescu;davout afaik it's a pc with memory restraints and valgrind
1006187;1423069737;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: ~3 days
1006188;1423069750;asciilifeform;davout: nope. bastard node test on x86.
1006189;1423069781;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: no restraints on that box, just valgrind
1006190;1423069788;mircea_popescu;oh oh
1006191;1423069795;mircea_popescu;so how much memory ?
1006192;1423069808;asciilifeform;8g
1006193;1423069816;mircea_popescu;yeah well then not saying much.
1006194;1423069820;mircea_popescu;you still got a pogo running ?
1006195;1423069824;asciilifeform;not presently
1006196;1423069832;asciilifeform;disassembled for attachment of jtag probes
1006197;1423069841;asciilifeform;but didn't quite get around to it yet
1006198;1423069857;asciilifeform;i promised folks a working buildroot for that thing
1006199;1423069921;asciilifeform;also jurov's zram idea is actually a good one
1006200;1423069927;asciilifeform;there's cpu to spare
1006201;1423069937;davout;!s if you can't stop fucking with it
1006202;1423069938;assbot;1 results for 'if you can't stop fucking with it' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=if+you+can%27t+stop+fucking+with+it
1006203;1423069950;davout;:D
1006204;1423069961;asciilifeform;davout: funnily enough i've a second
1006205;1423069970;asciilifeform;davout: but it's reserved for autodefloration test
1006206;1423069980;asciilifeform;davout: haven't even taken it out of the crate yet
1006207;1423070003;mircea_popescu;<asciilifeform> there's cpu to spare << funnily enough, what the power rangers wish to fix is... cpu speed.
1006208;1423070007;mircea_popescu;with a change of curves.
1006209;1423070014;asciilifeform;wai srsly?
1006210;1423070020;davout;i tried getting a pogo on amazon, for some retarded reason the price in euros is like 60
1006211;1423070021;asciilifeform;this was actually shat forth?
1006212;1423070021;mircea_popescu;ask davout he was there :D
1006213;1423070037;davout;and if i buy in usd i have like ~50 USD shipping
1006214;1423070051;thestringpuller;mircea_popescu but you don't watch sports
1006215;1423070053;mircea_popescu;davout would it make sense to make a large buy in us and ship to eu ?
1006216;1423070075;mircea_popescu;thestringpuller i also don't watch porn. doesn't mean i can't discuss itcompetently.
1006217;1423070084;asciilifeform;davout: at least you can get it, in theory; iirc in the land of the colocolo and ocelot they cannot be had except by human courier
1006218;1423070101;davout;mircea_popescu: i'll look a bit harder if i can't find them for cheaper first
1006219;1423070104;thestringpuller;Do you like golf? that seems like a sport you'd enjoy
1006220;1423070104;mircea_popescu;kk
1006221;1423070111;asciilifeform;over here i can order now and it'll show by 8'oclock today
1006222;1423070131;thestringpuller;asciilifeform: do you ever leave the house?
1006223;1423070131;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform hey, get me like a dozen, bring em over at conference.
1006224;1423070140;thestringpuller;asciilifeform: you remind me of sean connery in Finding Forrester.
1006225;1423070196;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: certainly.
1006226;1423070201;mircea_popescu;wh ty.
1006227;1423070210;mircea_popescu;i dunno how bulky they are/what they weigh, but w/e's convenient.
1006228;1423070216;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: do we wish them to remain in their original crates?
1006229;1423070221;mircea_popescu;i don't care.
1006230;1423070229;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: then - naked.
1006231;1423070239;mircea_popescu;not that specific about number, either, just, bring as many as you can carry.
1006232;1423070240;jurov;http://www.amazon.de/Cloud-Engines-Pogoplug-Biz-Adapter/dp/B004VSKJ62/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8&qid=1423070142&sr=8-3&keywords=pogoplug
1006233;1423070242;assbot;Cloud Engines Pogoplug Biz USB NAS Adapter: Amazon.de: Computer & Zubehör ... ( http://bit.ly/1AsJnkZ )
1006234;1423070248;jurov;"only" 23+5 eur
1006235;1423070263;jurov;and that if you know anyone in germany
1006236;1423070269;asciilifeform;jurov, davout: incidentally, 'pogo' is not the only supplier of this kind of thing. 'seagate' has a device with, iirc, identical pcb
1006237;1423070274;asciilifeform;and a few others
1006238;1423070284;asciilifeform;i just picked the price winner.
1006239;1423070290;asciilifeform;from my own perch
1006240;1423070294;asciilifeform;might vary elsewhere
1006241;1423070295;mircea_popescu;im actually having most courriers drag a bag of the shits on their way.
1006242;1423070298;davout;asciilifeform: ah nice, if you have a list i'd be interdasted in looking into it
1006243;1423070313;mircea_popescu;it'll get to where customs will be able to entirely identify my network by keepying track of bags of pogos ffs.
1006244;1423070321;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 173085 @ 0.0003925 = 67.9359 BTC [+] {2} 
1006245;1423070323;punkman;who manufactures the pogo?
1006246;1423070330;punkman;globalscale?
1006247;1423070383;asciilifeform;punkman: i have not yet discovered the answer to this.
1006248;1423070391;punkman;ah cloud engines maybe
1006249;1423070438;asciilifeform;thestringpuller: do you ever leave the house << i do have a day job, as i think i mentioned. it doesn't have fixed hours as such, but i'm away from my perch fairly often.
1006250;1423070442;davout;i'm starting to suspect you can't get them in yurp without some kind of subscription
1006251;1423070455;thestringpuller;mircea_popescu soon to become the han solo of Argentina.
1006252;1423070458;asciilifeform;brb teatime
1006253;1423070465;thestringpuller;^- this guy makes me happy
1006254;1423070483;mircea_popescu;davout if all else fails you can have some of mine, also at conference o.O
1006255;1423070489;davout;re pogo plug in europe -> http://i.imgur.com/7mtvBR3.png
1006256;1423070490;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1AsK9OY )
1006257;1423070494;mircea_popescu;this is starting to be so much like soviet russia in 1985 it boggles the mind.
1006258;1423070512;mircea_popescu;90 euros wtf ?!
1006259;1423070521;davout;ikr
1006260;1423070528;mircea_popescu;hm, ok, this is highly suspekt.
1006261;1423070549;punkman;loss leader only in bezzleland
1006262;1423070554;mircea_popescu;clearly.
1006263;1423070560;fluffypony;I ordered two off eBay
1006264;1423070564;punkman;there has to be some chinese knockoff
1006265;1423070577;mircea_popescu;fluffypony how much were they ? did you get them ?
1006266;1423070580;fluffypony;lemme check price
1006267;1423070592;fluffypony;they're in country at customs, should be delivered
1006268;1423070598;fluffypony;by Monday at the latest
1006269;1423070608;fluffypony;it's through eBay's Global Shipping Program
1006270;1423070609;davout;in two weeks(tm)
1006271;1423070610;fluffypony;so via Fedex
1006272;1423070618;fluffypony;and you pay for customs / duties up-front
1006273;1423070625;fluffypony;http://www.ebay.com/itm/391010802864
1006274;1423070628;assbot; New Pogoplug Series 4 Backup Device | eBay  ... ( http://bit.ly/1F6iKRG )
1006275;1423070651;fluffypony;so for two I paid
1006276;1423070658;punkman;still $50+
1006277;1423070675;fluffypony;ORDER TOTAL US $52.60
1006278;1423070676;fluffypony;+ US $20.74 shipping
1006279;1423070688;fluffypony;+ US $16.26 customs
1006280;1423070708;mod6;<< completely misunderstanding that. << ok gotcha.
1006281;1423070723;fluffypony;$44.80 including delivery and customs (per Pogo)
1006282;1423070741;mircea_popescu;aha
1006283;1423070742;mod6;mircea_popescu: mod6 persuing your error log : it would seem to me that for some reason your peers keep pumping you with blocks height=168002 and over, whereas yotu never get height=168001. << see line 40 of this paste: http://pastebin.com/iweEQCpu
1006284;1423070743;assbot;root@ip-W-X-Y-Z:/mnt/btc-dev/sandbox/bitcoin-bitcoin-a8def6b/src# date  Wed Feb  - Pastebin.com ... ( http://bit.ly/1F6j9Ue )
1006285;1423070758;mod6;or internal log number: 1805961
1006286;1423070764;mircea_popescu;o wow
1006287;1423070765;mod6;1805961 InvalidChainFound: invalid block=0000000000000a40136b  height=168001  work=243841112905690411140
1006288;1423070783;mircea_popescu;invalid block=0000000000000a40136b << can oyu dig this thing up and post it please ?
1006289;1423070784;mod6;anyway, just thought i'd stop in and update you quick. thanks for looking!!
1006290;1423070823;mod6;dig it up from ? the debug log?
1006291;1423070836;mircea_popescu;ideally as a signed blob on the mailing list. "This is block 0000000000000a40136b, reported as invalid so and so"
1006292;1423070837;mod6;i can't do much more from where i'm at right now, 'cept google perhaps.
1006293;1423070840;thestringpuller;jurov: thestringpuller: lol ryanxcharles, bitcoin should be written in node.js ?? you aware of this? http://www.reddit.com/r/Buttcoin/comments/2u7ddq/the_real_reason_ryan_charles_was_fired_from/ << good stuff. buttcoin seems to have more real people than r/bitcoin
1006294;1423070852;mod6;ah. ok yeah, i can do that tonight.
1006295;1423070854;mircea_popescu;no no, dig it up from your memory pool i guess
1006296;1423070856;mircea_popescu;no huge rush
1006297;1423070862;mircea_popescu;but it'll have to be dissected.
1006298;1423070881;mircea_popescu;thestringpuller that's because it has fewer.
1006299;1423070952;mod6;mircea_popescu: ok. i'll check back in tonight, see what I can do.
1006300;1423070956;mircea_popescu;cool.
1006301;1423071056;punkman;http://archlinuxarm.org/platforms < various other plugs listed here
1006302;1423071057;assbot;Platforms | Arch Linux ARM ... ( http://bit.ly/1AsLPI0 )
1006303;1423071183;jurov;http://pogoplug.com/devices *Due to overwhelming demand, we are currently out of stock in the UK and Europe.
1006304;1423071184;assbot;Pogoplug Devices: Back Up, Access and Share From Anywhere ... ( http://bit.ly/1AsMb1m )
1006305;1423071220;mircea_popescu;heh.
1006306;1423071322;punkman;does the pogoplug need any proprietary blobs?
1006307;1423071335;mircea_popescu;nop
1006308;1423071475;trinque;my btcd for deedbot has been belching about orphan blocks for a day, ever since it got to about two days ago in the blockchain
1006309;1423071605;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 104750 @ 0.00039253 = 41.1175 BTC [+]
1006310;1423071622;mircea_popescu;horribru error report.
1006311;1423071733;mthreat;<+mircea_popescu> ... << yeh but how are we to verify! <<  I actually got pics of me holding up the blockchain iPhone app transaction, in front of the Port Lockroy building with a sign visible!
1006312;1423071762;mircea_popescu;o hey cool going!
1006313;1423071775;thestringpuller;"Getting fired from reddit sucks, but the support I've received from the bitcoin community is incredible. Free market social safety net." << "Why work when you can get donations for being a 'victim'."
1006314;1423071799;thestringpuller;my god
1006315;1423071835;thestringpuller;d00d gets fired for being unemployable so derps will throw money at him so he can eat? this is definition of socialism no?!?!?
1006316;1423071922;mircea_popescu;eh simmer down. what money.
1006317;1423071972;thestringpuller;changetip / "attempts" at crowdfunding / "pledges" / and other various donations.
1006318;1423071972;trinque;thestringpuller: what do you have against kim kardashian's ass?
1006319;1423072094;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 134000 @ 0.00038018 = 50.9441 BTC [-] {2} 
1006320;1423072120;thestringpuller;trinque: i don't think I do have an issue with her badonkadonk. it's not my problem?
1006321;1423072127;mircea_popescu;changetip ? srsly ?
1006322;1423072143;trinque;thestringpuller: twas just a joke about the various forms of internet celebrity theater
1006323;1423072173;thestringpuller;i have minor respect for kim cause she released sex tape and made career after that
1006324;1423072192;thestringpuller;but i guess her dad made deal with devil when defending OJ so whole family can have money
1006325;1423072222;nubbins`;thestringpuller, if her dad was anyone else, she would not have made a "career" out of a sex tape
1006326;1423072231;thestringpuller;^- that was my point
1006327;1423072232;nubbins`;a career on redtube, maybe
1006328;1423072246;nubbins`;so unless you're saying you respect her because her dad went to law school...
1006329;1423072253;nubbins`;no entiendo
1006330;1423072268;nubbins`;see also paris hilton
1006331;1423072279;thestringpuller;well her career improved vs. say paris hilton
1006332;1423072279;mircea_popescu;nubbins` orly? who was her dad ?
1006333;1423072286;nubbins`;mircea_popescu oj simpson lawyer
1006334;1423072292;mircea_popescu;o wow srsly ?
1006335;1423072294;nubbins`;yes
1006336;1423072295;thestringpuller;robert kardashian
1006337;1423072296;mircea_popescu;hadno idea.
1006338;1423072299;nubbins`;this is the only reason her face is everywhere
1006339;1423072304;mircea_popescu;anyway, girl's got a great ass. that's an... asset.
1006340;1423072307;nubbins`;oj's lawyer's daughter sucking cock on film
1006341;1423072308;mircea_popescu;no it's not.
1006342;1423072316;thestringpuller;you know everyone on cochran's team who defended oj is dead
1006343;1423072330;mircea_popescu;she is objectively a hot woman, and she understands feminity well enough to behave rationally.
1006344;1423072348;nubbins`;sure. the world is full of objectively hot women, many of them hotter than her
1006345;1423072353;nubbins`;(objectively)
1006346;1423072353;mircea_popescu;one could argue idiotic us internet feminism is to blame for reducing her competition, at most.
1006347;1423072363;mircea_popescu;right. but they're stupid and fat.
1006348;1423072466;nubbins`;so's the rest of her famous family
1006349;1423072489;mircea_popescu;what do i care about her family.
1006350;1423072526;nubbins`;all of a sudden it's about you?!
1006351;1423072528;nubbins`;https://www.google.ca/search?q=kardashian+gossip&tbm=isch
1006352;1423072529;assbot;kardashian gossip - Google Search ... ( http://bit.ly/1F6oivx )
1006353;1423072542;thestringpuller;"armenians are the black version of white people"
1006354;1423072589;nubbins`;http://i.imgur.com/c00cRKV.jpg
1006355;1423072590;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1F6ow5G )
1006356;1423072599;thestringpuller;her husband has higher net worth than her
1006357;1423072607;nubbins`;y'know, this would probably still be international news if this woman wasn't the sister of the porn star oj simpson lawyer daughter
1006358;1423072617;thestringpuller;and kanye is a shitty businessman
1006359;1423072659;nubbins`;if there's one thing that would make me permanently switch supermarkets, it'd be a couple of checkout aisles free from gossip mags
1006360;1423072667;nubbins`;even just one
1006361;1423072668;thestringpuller;because Jay-Z associates with these people rather than being a true G is why Dr. Dre beat him to the billionaire club.
1006362;1423072673;nubbins`;A++++++ would wait in line again
1006363;1423072686;thestringpuller;nubbins`: Whole Foods doesn't have gossip mags
1006364;1423072691;trinque;nubbins`: I don't see them at whole foods or zuppans
1006365;1423072692;thestringpuller;but it's replaced with "hipster mags"
1006366;1423072693;nubbins`;i thought dre made it because he was a killer producer
1006367;1423072693;trinque;yeh
1006368;1423072696;mircea_popescu;you know, since i don't watch tv or supermarket, i may not be as aggressed as you are by this shit :D
1006369;1423072704;nubbins`;t*: we don't have "whole foods" here.
1006370;1423072714;nubbins`;mircea_popescu it's slightly more assaulting than billboard ads
1006371;1423072727;thestringpuller;marketing is rape
1006372;1423072739;nubbins`;i haven't "watched tv" in maybe 7 years
1006373;1423072751;nubbins`;8 if you count english-language
1006374;1423072752;trinque;yelling on the street corner != rape
1006375;1423072757;mircea_popescu;anyway, i much prefer kim to say michelle obama.
1006376;1423072768;mircea_popescu;not to mention out and out idiots a la hess or whatever, goodman.
1006377;1423072778;thestringpuller;nubbins`: dre is a killer producer, but not nearly the same genius as say quincy jones. He made great business bets in comparison to Jay-Z.
1006378;1423072778;mircea_popescu;more girls like kim plox.
1006379;1423072782;nubbins`;MICHELLE OBAMA: PREGNANT BY ONE MAN, IN LOVE WITH ANOTHER
1006380;1423072792;scoopbot;New post on Trilema by Mircea Popescu: http://trilema.com/2015/mpex-smpoe-january-2015-statement/
1006381;1423072804;nubbins`;thestringpuller he also stepped out of his comfort zone. guy produced a NIN album!
1006382;1423072812;nubbins`;trinque +1
1006383;1423072818;thestringpuller;nubbins`: yea the fragile.
1006384;1423072827;nubbins`;marketing is an assault on the sensibilities of all reasonable people
1006385;1423072828;mircea_popescu;<trinque> yelling on the street corner != rape <<< seems exactly what it come to mean these days.
1006386;1423072837;thestringpuller;nubbins`: that as only one track tho, and that's cause Trent and Dre were friends throughout the late 90's.
1006387;1423072886;nubbins`;too true
1006388;1423072887;nubbins`;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dr._Dre_production_discography
1006389;1423072890;assbot;Dr. Dre production discography - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ... ( http://bit.ly/1F6pBKU )
1006390;1423072904;nubbins`;anyway
1006391;1423072911;nubbins`;not really my thing but w/e. guy knows how to make money
1006392;1423072980;thestringpuller;^- that's my point
1006393;1423072987;thestringpuller;and Jay-Z associates with people who don't.
1006394;1423072993;thestringpuller;which is why Dre beat him to Billionaire land
1006395;1423073124;mircea_popescu;!up phillipsjk
1006396;1423073130;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 73450 @ 0.0003785 = 27.8008 BTC [-]
1006397;1423073331;asciilifeform;anybody bother to look into the competitors of 'pogo' (seagate nas, etc.) ?
1006398;1423073437;trinque;http://ma.ttias.be/whats-new-systemd-2015-edition/?h <<< LOL
1006399;1423073438;assbot;What's New in systemd, 2015 Edition ... ( http://bit.ly/1DeyeUG )
1006400;1423073455;nubbins`;i think seagate has a cloud thing but it's $$$
1006401;1423073473;nubbins`;there's no "buy it w/o the drive" version
1006402;1423073475;asciilifeform;nubbins`: they have a whole line
1006403;1423073477;trinque;among other lols, they want to eat docker, manage your firewall, make the logger speak http...
1006404;1423073483;asciilifeform;incl. one that looked quite like pogo, physically
1006405;1423073490;asciilifeform;(small pedestal for single drive.)
1006406;1423073495;punkman;http://www.amazon.com/Seagate-FreeAgent-Powered-Ports-100563416/dp/B002DH40ZY/
1006407;1423073497;assbot;Amazon.com: Seagate FreeAgent Go Dock+ with 3 Powered USB Ports 100563416 (White): Electronics ... ( http://bit.ly/1DeyrHA )
1006408;1423073498;punkman;also $13
1006409;1423073505;asciilifeform;there we go
1006410;1423073510;asciilifeform;that's the one
1006411;1423073530;asciilifeform;or actually no.
1006412;1423073531;nubbins`;is that not literally just a usb hub with a hdd attachment?
1006413;1423073534;asciilifeform;that's an analogue cradle
1006414;1423073534;nubbins`;http://www.amazon.ca/Seagate-Central-Personal-Storage-STCG2000100/dp/B00ARB5FPM/ref=sr_1_2?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1423073439&sr=1-2&keywords=seagate+cloud
1006415;1423073537;assbot;Seagate Central 2TB Personal Cloud Storage NAS STCG2000100: Amazon.ca: Computers & Tablets ... ( http://bit.ly/1DeyBi2 )
1006416;1423073546;nubbins`;^ nb price for 2tb
1006417;1423073613;asciilifeform;it was, iirc, the 'goflex'
1006418;1423073625;mircea_popescu;trinque lmao. it's so funnay.
1006419;1423073654;nubbins`;asciilifeform i have a goflex, it's just a hdd with a cradle
1006420;1423073658;nubbins`;maybe the "dockstar"?
1006421;1423073664;nubbins`;;;google seagate dockstar
1006422;1423073664;asciilifeform;hm
1006423;1423073665;gribble;Amazon.com: Seagate FreeAgent DockStar Network Adapter ...: <http://www.amazon.com/Seagate-FreeAgent-DockStar-Network-STDSA10G-RK/dp/B002MRRU6G>; DockStar | Seagate: <http://www.seagate.com/support/external-hard-drives/network-storage/dockstar/>; Seagate DockStar | Arch Linux ARM: <http://archlinuxarm.org/platforms/armv5/seagate-dockstar>
1006424;1423073670;nubbins`;first one
1006425;1423073670;asciilifeform;http://wiki.openwrt.org/toh/seagate/goflexnet
1006426;1423073670;assbot;Seagate GoFlexNet [OpenWrt Wiki] ... ( http://bit.ly/1Dez6J5 )
1006427;1423073672;asciilifeform;^ that one
1006428;1423073676;nubbins`;o
1006429;1423073682;nubbins`;i have "goflex desk"
1006430;1423073712;nubbins`;i also have a "goflex tv" which might fit the bill.
1006431;1423073736;mircea_popescu;"minimal firewall support, which is service oriented. Ie: allow Apache access in the firewall instead of saying "allow port :80″ access."
1006432;1423073738;asciilifeform;incidentally, above link has jtag mapping that ought to work for all the marvell boards
1006433;1423073754;mircea_popescu;happens to be the longest idiocy on linux forums. noob user on ubuntu moved from windows "how do i get zone alarm for linux"
1006434;1423073756;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: lemme guess, string/path matching
1006435;1423073761;mircea_popescu;answer, always "stupid idea, forget it.
1006436;1423073763;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: like winblows phirewall
1006437;1423073768;mircea_popescu;noob, usually "fu why so elitist"
1006438;1423073796;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform apparently they fell out of the windows tree and hit every branch on the way down.
1006439;1423073815;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: now try expanded mindfuck. think of what this picture will look like once apple implodes.
1006440;1423073816;mircea_popescu;the notion that someone still takes this guy seriously is irreconcilable with the notion that people are born human.
1006441;1423073830;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform it will look excellent : us on top of the world.
1006442;1423073841;mircea_popescu;to quote myself, "people we don't like fighting each other, an ode"
1006443;1423073896;mircea_popescu;"networkd: because networking is such a basic function of the OS, he believes it should be in systemd"
1006444;1423073900;mircea_popescu;hehehehe
1006445;1423073905;asciilifeform;the part of the world where i live is plagued with, among other insects, a type of caterpillar that devours trees wholesale. every spring, gigantic hives (?) - nests with webbing - appear, and when they're full, you can almost see them pulsate, pulsate
1006446;1423073915;mircea_popescu;"systemd wrote their own dhcp library"
1006447;1423073919;asciilifeform;this, in effect, is what i'm seeing in apple
1006448;1423073924;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 44954 @ 0.0003785 = 17.0151 BTC [-]
1006449;1423073925;mircea_popescu;"out of bits and pieces nsa had lying around for a decade or so"
1006450;1423073942;asciilifeform;when it finally pops, all of those folks will come screaming into what's left of 'entry linux'
1006451;1423073943;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform i saw those in mass.
1006452;1423073952;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: they're in the whole east usa
1006453;1423073967;mircea_popescu;they don't actually eat the wood tho. but suck the tree dry anyway
1006454;1423073970;asciilifeform;leaves
1006455;1423073973;asciilifeform;pick'em clean
1006456;1423074012;mircea_popescu;"combining nspawn (containers) and networkd (dhcp) allows for easier network management of containers. Networkd can also run inside the container. Outside the container networkd can pick a free DHCP IP for that container. Allows v4 to v6 network masquarading automatically. Does not involve dnsmasq, everything is routed via IP on the kernel (no bridging)."
1006457;1423074015;trinque;looks like they want to kill etc too
1006458;1423074024;mircea_popescu;this is such a brilliant approach to "user has no control of their computer"
1006459;1423074033;asciilifeform;kill etc << apple killed it long ago
1006460;1423074045;asciilifeform;the systemd folks are emulating apple, not (intentionally) microshit
1006461;1423074054;nubbins`;seems goflex tv is based on realtek 1073
1006462;1423074086;trinque;mircea_popescu: this is *absolutely* about some kind of "managed linux" thing on your phone/tablet/whatever
1006463;1423074103;mircea_popescu;"cast nameserver resolution, as used by Windows"
1006464;1423074124;trinque;big wink at the camera there
1006465;1423074131;mircea_popescu;journald-remoting: the binary logger now has remote support (aka: remoting) via HTTP (instead of the syslog protocol, which isn't standardized (ie: no timezones, single-line logs only, ...)
1006466;1423074138;nubbins`;ethernet, usb built in as well
1006467;1423074139;mircea_popescu;ahahaha, syslog is "not standardized"
1006468;1423074145;mircea_popescu;systemd crap, is.
1006469;1423074156;mircea_popescu;ok enough of this idiocy for one day.
1006470;1423074165;asciilifeform;embrace/extend/extinguish, mega-snore.
1006471;1423074178;nubbins`;oh, that's a MIPS processor
1006472;1423074185;asciilifeform;nubbins`: i found the box in question. seagate's 'freeagent dockstar'
1006473;1423074200;nubbins`;[14:44:17]  <+nubbins`> maybe the "dockstar"?
1006474;1423074203;nubbins`;+1
1006475;1423074207;asciilifeform;aha
1006476;1423074209;asciilifeform;that was it
1006477;1423074219;nubbins`;what sorta chip's that running on?
1006478;1423074231;nubbins`;marvell kirkwood
1006479;1423074234;nubbins`;1200mhz!
1006480;1423074244;chetty;<mircea_popescu> this is such a brilliant approach to "user has no control of their computer"//won't be long till the computer controls the user
1006481;1423074253;asciilifeform;circa '09, however
1006482;1423074256;asciilifeform;can't determine if still made
1006483;1423074262;nubbins`;asciilifeform is linux on MIPS a thing i should bother looking into re: goflex tv?
1006484;1423074280;asciilifeform;nubbins`: i'm speaking through a mips/bsd box right now
1006485;1423074291;nubbins`;ah
1006486;1423074310;nubbins`;http://www.svplannet.com/userfiles/lg_images/Seagate_Freeagent_Goflex_Tv_Hd_Media_Player.jpg
1006487;1423074311;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1F6uxQ7 )
1006488;1423074317;nubbins`;^ that's what i've got kicking around
1006489;1423074338;nubbins`;will fit a SATA drive inside, altho mine currently only uses thumbdrives for storage
1006490;1423074374;felipelalli;Let me ask one thing guys about MPEx website: why not the total shared issued is displayed at http://mpex.co/?mpsic=S.QNTR ? Wouldn't it be a useful information? I could find this info on http://trilema.com/2014/qntra-sqntr-october-2014-statement/ but I think it is handy to display on the stock page. Thanks.
1006491;1423074378;assbot;Qntra (S.QNTR) October 2014 Statement pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.  ... ( http://bit.ly/1F6uKmk )
1006492;1423074378;asciilifeform;nubbins`: video thing?
1006493;1423074378;mircea_popescu;chetty given some users, this would be a net gain.
1006494;1423074382;nubbins`;yeah, little media player.
1006495;1423074402;nubbins`;netflix, youtube, etc players built in as well
1006496;1423074408;ben_vulpes;buenos
1006497;1423074412;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 89971 @ 0.00039278 = 35.3388 BTC [+] {2} 
1006498;1423074429;nubbins`;unfortunately the netflix app is hard-coded to USA service (!!!!)
1006499;1423074430;mircea_popescu;felipelalli because it keeps changing.
1006500;1423074435;nubbins`;so useless to me from the get-go for that
1006501;1423074448;felipelalli;mircea_popescu: thank you.
1006502;1423074473;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 48929 @ 0.00039342 = 19.2496 BTC [+]
1006503;1423074524;mircea_popescu;http://ma.ttias.be/whats-new-systemd-2015-edition/#comment-10997 just in case.
1006504;1423074525;assbot;What's New in systemd, 2015 Edition ... ( http://bit.ly/1F6vh7L )
1006505;1423074530;felipelalli;mircea_popescu: are there a place where I can find the current total shares or just reading the statements?
1006506;1423074540;mircea_popescu;well yes,. the statements
1006507;1423074546;mircea_popescu;this is how all stock exchanges work, incidentally.
1006508;1423074565;mircea_popescu;the exchange engine itself is not aware of the conventions regarding the corporation. those are registered separately.
1006509;1423074590;mircea_popescu;more importantly : you should not trade a stock you've not read the reports for.
1006510;1423074760;ben_vulpes;funny news
1006511;1423074772;ben_vulpes;our municipal client now requires that we carry "cyber liability insurance"
1006512;1423074780;mircea_popescu;lol wassat ?
1006513;1423074783;asciilifeform;wai wat
1006514;1423074786;ben_vulpes;FUCK IF I KNOW
1006515;1423074787;felipelalli;mircea_popescu: thanks, makes sense.
1006516;1423074818;mircea_popescu;clearly you need it then.
1006517;1423074834;mircea_popescu;"#1 Online Agent for Cyber Liability Insurance 175,000 businesses served since 1997"  - "insureon"
1006518;1423074839;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 67371 @ 0.00039353 = 26.5125 BTC [+] {2} 
1006519;1423074878;ben_vulpes;more bezzletronic scams.
1006520;1423074886;ben_vulpes;insurance! scam!
1006521;1423074889;mircea_popescu;i just put a "get online quote" for "stock brokers"
1006522;1423074900;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 273618 @ 0.00039426 = 107.8766 BTC [+] {4} 
1006523;1423074908;mircea_popescu;because yeah, totally. that's how it works. you pick "stock brokers" from a list containing stuff like "laundry services" and get a quote
1006524;1423074914;asciilifeform;by the pound?
1006525;1423074917;ben_vulpes;how does one pick a stock broker?
1006526;1423074919;mircea_popescu;"What is the zip code of your primary business location?"
1006527;1423074921;*;ben_vulpes is a pauper, wouldn't know
1006528;1423074929;mircea_popescu;check it out, the zip where my stock brokering is primarily stock brokered.
1006529;1423074940;*;ben_vulpes barely qualifies for the explicitly front-run brokers
1006530;1423074953;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes kinda like you pick a girlfriend : have your friends recommend someone.
1006531;1423075003;mircea_popescu;anyway, maybe tell them it's THEIR job to get insurance ? as you're not actually keeping their dbs ? or are you ?
1006532;1423075015;ben_vulpes;girls just show up in my life - stockbrokers, not so much.
1006533;1423075023;ben_vulpes;it's on some paas-y thing
1006534;1423075027;mircea_popescu;seems like a sad attempt to pass costs along to contractors.
1006535;1423075045;ben_vulpes;fuck that i ain't holding no bags
1006536;1423075049;mircea_popescu;anyway, tell them it'll be ~4500 more per month, and as if they're sure.
1006537;1423075050;ben_vulpes;actually its fine
1006538;1423075066;ben_vulpes;dev shops should carry more responsibility for produced work anyways.
1006539;1423075083;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 70502 @ 0.0003785 = 26.685 BTC [-]
1006540;1423075087;mircea_popescu;the db leak liability attaches to operator.
1006541;1423075116;mircea_popescu;unless they're paying you for saas, in which case, i would hope you're executing them six to eight digits anually.
1006542;1423075132;ben_vulpes;mnah
1006543;1423075141;ben_vulpes;commodity saas vendor, we just write and derploy der coden
1006544;1423075142;mircea_popescu;welllll in THAT case...
1006545;1423075144;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 115543 @ 0.00037498 = 43.3263 BTC [-] {2} 
1006546;1423075284;asciilifeform;http://www.dealsmachine.com/best_164529.html?currency=USD&gclid=CjwKEAiAo8emBRCX_OqU4qek6y8SJACzgf8fItxlMkPEh8mQ51Onl4aKr3o31T6wsIcm8FwdwzKuDxoCR2bw_wcB
1006547;1423075287;assbot;DealsMachine: V8 Single Core 512M DDR3 Linux Miracast Wireless iPush Airplay DLNA TV Stick Built-in HDMI/Wifi ... ( http://bit.ly/1DeF6kS )
1006548;1423075289;felipelalli;let me ask you guys another thing: I'm using coinbr.com to buy S.MPOE shares. I received this receipt: http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=L1Bv8GFg what proves I have created the order. But after the order is filled, where is the proof that 270 S.MPOE are mine? What happen if CoinBr.com just go bankruptcy (or disappear)? How could I recover this?
1006549;1423075290;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1DeF7p8 )
1006550;1423075290;asciilifeform;^ wireless, usb only for storage
1006551;1423075302;asciilifeform;512mb.
1006552;1423075309;*;xanthyos 
1006553;1423075340;asciilifeform;there also appear to be at least half a dozen compatible products, of similar cost.
1006554;1423075353;mike_c;;;gettrust felipelalli jurov
1006555;1423075354;gribble;WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user felipelalli to user jurov: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 3 via 2 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=felipelalli&dest=jurov | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=jurov | Rated since: Fri Jan 20 18:16:32 2012
1006556;1423075360;mike_c;oops. old habits
1006557;1423075360;*;asciilifeform is not especially fond of wireless net for this application
1006558;1423075366;mike_c;!gettrust felipelalli jurov
1006559;1423075367;assbot;Trust relationship from user felipelalli to user jurov: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 5 via 4 connections. | http://w.b-a.link/trust/felipelalli/jurov | http://w.b-a.link/user/jurov
1006560;1423075402;mike_c;felipelalli: ^ that is your protection against coinbr disappearing.
1006561;1423075447;jurov;felipelalli: also, what happen if MPEx just go bankruptcy (or disappear)? Same thing.
1006562;1423075603;felipelalli;actually they (CoinBr.com) hold the shares for me in CoinBr MPEx account, isn't it? Just to know if I am missing something.
1006563;1423075612;jurov;yes
1006564;1423075628;felipelalli;perfect! thank you.
1006565;1423075632;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 93700 @ 0.00039594 = 37.0996 BTC [+] {2} 
1006566;1423075928;felipelalli;jurov: just now I noticed "they" are actually "you". :) Thanks.
1006567;1423075952;felipelalli;!rate jurov 1 "coinbr.com owner, great job, I trust him."
1006568;1423075952;assbot;Request successful, get your OTP: http://w.b-a.link/otp/8516d6f71a1c731d
1006569;1423076040;jurov;:)
1006570;1423076067;pete_dushenski;http://www.contravex.com/2015/02/04/you-cant-have-door-to-door-shakedowns-in-defeudalised-france/
1006571;1423076068;assbot;You can’t have door-to-door shakedowns in defeudalised France. | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski ... ( http://bit.ly/1F6Ats9 )
1006572;1423076094;jurov;kakobrekla what about signing http://files.bitcoin-assets.com/wot/wot_ratings.sql.gz ?
1006573;1423076095;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1F6Ayw9 )
1006574;1423076112;asciilifeform;https://www.newit.co.uk/shop << 'arm' system vendor in eu
1006575;1423076113;assbot;New IT ... ( http://bit.ly/1F6AA75 )
1006576;1423076151;asciilifeform;unfortunately nothing in the price ballpark of 'pogo'
1006577;1423076296;asciilifeform;unrelated mega-lol: http://arstechnica.com/security/2015/02/psa-your-crypto-apps-are-useless-unless-you-check-them-for-backdoors
1006578;1423076297;assbot;PSA: Your crypto apps are useless unless you check them for backdoors | Ars Technica ... ( http://bit.ly/1F6BaBT )
1006579;1423076310;asciilifeform;^ from the run-moar-winblows department
1006580;1423076373;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: http://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2015/02/mips-creator-ci20-released-interesting-though-not-very-useful << for your collection. i own the pre-release version of this thing. it works. but full of oddities. there is a (supposedly) complete data sheet for the chip.
1006581;1423076374;assbot;MIPS Creator CI20 released: Interesting, though not very useful | Ars Technica ... ( http://bit.ly/1F6Bsc2 )
1006582;1423076376;jurov;https://www.olimex.com/Products/OLinuXino/A10/A10-OLinuXino-LIME/open-source-hardware guess we'll end up with this
1006583;1423076378;assbot;A10-OLinuXino-LIME - Open Source Hardware Board ... ( http://bit.ly/1F6BsZj )
1006584;1423076425;ben_vulpes;pete_dushenski: if you're just going to annotage logs at least have the commentary arrayed neatly around the source material like the rest of the talmudic publications
1006585;1423076433;asciilifeform;jurov: not bad. about 1.5 pogos.
1006586;1423076439;ben_vulpes;footnotes are so...web 3.0
1006587;1423076442;asciilifeform;jurov: looks like even has sata.
1006588;1423076456;asciilifeform;would need a chassis and power brick?
1006589;1423076468;pete_dushenski;ben_vulpes: lol what talmud are you reading?
1006590;1423076495;asciilifeform;pete_dushenski: iirc a standard talmud is arranged this way ?
1006591;1423076540;pete_dushenski;bla.. fine. ima brb
1006592;1423076543;pete_dushenski;:)
1006593;1423076544;jurov;Please prove you are not an bot. How many cores RK3188 have?: << ahahaha olimex forums rule
1006594;1423076570;asciilifeform;jurov: i like the ru 'integrals' captchae more.
1006595;1423076584;asciilifeform;'prove you're not a bot or a c-student'
1006596;1423076660;asciilifeform;pete_dushenski: http://people.ucalgary.ca/~elsegal/TalmudPage.html
1006597;1423076661;assbot;404 Not Found ... ( http://bit.ly/1F6CkgJ )
1006598;1423076663;asciilifeform;^ illustrated
1006599;1423076672;nubbins`;hm, re: goflex tv http://www.linux-mips.org/archives/linux-mips/2010-11/msg00155.html
1006600;1423076673;assbot;[PATCH] Add support for Realtek Media Player SoCs ... ( http://bit.ly/1F6Cl4n )
1006601;1423076686;pete_dushenski;asciilifeform: heh whaddya know
1006602;1423076691;nubbins`;cracked open a firmware update image, might be something to this
1006603;1423076692;pete_dushenski;that's pretty cool lookin'
1006604;1423076853;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 142197 @ 0.00039587 = 56.2915 BTC [-]
1006605;1423077137;phillipsjk;mircea_popescu, Just because you don't understand the Maslow pyramid, does not imply it is completely invalid. Your alternative pyramid lacks co-operation...which you apparently consider rotten socialist propaganda. Re: http://trilema.com/2014/that-aint-the-maslow-pyramid-yo/
1006606;1423077137;assbot;That ain't the Maslow pyramid, yo! pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.  ... ( http://bit.ly/1z0o6x1 )
1006607;1423077141;jurov;satoshidice.com down. interesting
1006608;1423077168;asciilifeform;maslow's thing had 'cooperation'? wat?
1006609;1423077198;pete_dushenski;alright ben_vulpes: http://www.contravex.com/2015/02/04/you-cant-have-door-to-door-shakedowns-in-defeudalised-france/
1006610;1423077200;assbot;You can’t have door-to-door shakedowns in defeudalised France. | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski ... ( http://bit.ly/1zgegas )
1006611;1423077203;pete_dushenski;c'est mieu ?
1006612;1423077279;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 50 @ 0.09522599 = 4.7613 BTC [-] {7} 
1006613;1423077293;phillipsjk;asciilifeform, 4 of the 5 categories use the term "domination"
1006614;1423077324;pete_dushenski;i'll admit, it was a bit odd having all my thoughts in the footnotes... i'm just not sure that this is cleaner to read.
1006615;1423077487;phillipsjk;I finally have DDOS samples up. Apparently the attack mode switched at some point. I was not able to determine exactly when because my machine lacks the RAM to load the entire packet capture in wirkeshark.
1006616;1423077633;phillipsjk;Here is a 1.5MB sample of the udp fragment flood I was talking about: http://phillipsjk.ca/images/Jan_28_2015_DDOS_30Mbit_sample.pcap
1006617;1423077636;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1zgfCC4 )
1006618;1423077706;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 33 @ 0.09100303 = 3.0031 BTC [-] {6} 
1006619;1423077710;phillipsjk;It mentions uzuuzuu.ru and simply says LOLOLOLOLOLOLOL over and over.
1006620;1423077769;teward;phillipsjk: I feel sorry for you o.o
1006621;1423077828;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 103000 @ 0.00038349 = 39.4995 BTC [-] {2} 
1006622;1423077867;phillipsjk;here is the first minute or so of UPnP crap: (64MIB) http://phillipsjk.ca/images/Jan_28_2015_DDOS_10Mbit.pcap
1006623;1423077889;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 1500 @ 0.00095 = 1.425 BTC [-]
1006624;1423077894;asciilifeform;phun phact:
1006625;1423077911;asciilifeform;there is at least one exploitable overflow in 'wireshark'.
1006626;1423077916;asciilifeform;at least, was, a year or so ago.
1006627;1423077921;teward;asciilifeform: depends on the rev you're on
1006628;1423077933;teward;AFAIK they're all patched, but I haven't watched wireshark upstream like a hawk
1006629;1423077943;asciilifeform;there is no such thing, approximately, as a kitchen with precisely one cockroach.
1006630;1423077947;phillipsjk;The UDP flood sample was after I let the previous attack drop to dial-up rates, then briefly reconnected.
1006631;1423077979;teward;phillipsjk: just TARPIT everything
1006632;1423077979;teward;:P
1006633;1423078005;phillipsjk;asciilifeform, I was running it from a LiveCD. But yes, those captures may be potentially harmful.
1006634;1423078021;asciilifeform;not even about these in particular.
1006635;1423078055;phillipsjk;I my write-up on the Shaw forums, I included a caution about that.
1006636;1423078072;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 41800 @ 0.00039587 = 16.5474 BTC [+]
1006637;1423078073;kakobrekla;jurov http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=19-01-2015#983823
1006638;1423078073;assbot;Logged on 19-01-2015 22:42:24; kakobrekla: !shasum wot
1006639;1423078074;teward;asciilifeform: is one of the 2015 notices here the one you're talking about?  https://www.wireshark.org/security/
1006640;1423078076;assbot;Wireshark · Security Advisories ... ( http://bit.ly/1zgh5rX )
1006641;1423078099;teward;because i'm on 1.12.1 - if it's ~1yr old, I'm patched
1006642;1423078134;jurov;kakobrekla: so i'm to connect to irc from my wot sync script, srsly?
1006643;1423078156;kakobrekla;im not signing it.
1006644;1423078199;phillipsjk;I was amazed when people were finding devastating holes in image processing libraries about 10 years ago. Every OS was affected.
1006645;1423078199;jurov;why? and i did not say it must be your signature
1006646;1423078232;kakobrekla;if not mine, imagine one up.
1006647;1423078283;teward;ho-lee shit, Wireshark is huge o.o
1006648;1423078315;kakobrekla;idk, i could make it announce new shasums in chan and you parse logs then
1006649;1423078316;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 143100 @ 0.00037854 = 54.1691 BTC [-]
1006650;1423078363;phillipsjk;teward, I found my first DDOS kind of exciting. The cloak works so far. Apparently people will DDOS live-streaming gamers for lulz as well.
1006651;1423078549;phillipsjk;I slightly related news, apparently I can put whatever files I want on my web-host. Was working under the assumption I had at least 100MB of space. Apparently it is 25GB. (I essentially chose my own price-point since anything more than 25MB may as well be infinite for my e-mail and web-site.)
1006652;1423078554;teward;phillipsjk: well that's not uncommon - and if anyone tried to DDoS me, they'd hit my VPS not me, and that's DDoS-filtered
1006653;1423078763;jurov;kakobrekla that wouldn't help
1006654;1423078772;mircea_popescu;phillipsjk how do you figure it lacks cooperation ?
1006655;1423078796;mircea_popescu;submission is cooperation, just, functional. the sort of cooperation you have in mind is simply not found in nature is all.
1006656;1423078868;jurov;kakobrekla, but please confirm you're aware that by choosing mysqldump format, it can't be parsed but must be piped into mysql which is practically the same as piping into /bin/sh
1006657;1423078943;kakobrekla;i can give you a different format, seems like you are the first the use the thing.
1006658;1423078947;phillipsjk;asciilifeform, mis-read your maslow comment. "Belonging and love needs" sounds like cooperation is needed.
1006659;1423078964;pete_dushenski;italian fiu: "The FIU states that businesses dealing in virtual currencies, including holding them and exchanging them for fiat currencies, are not required to comply with any AML/KYC regulations."
1006660;1423078964;kakobrekla;s/the use/to use
1006661;1423078983;pete_dushenski;cazalla: BingoBoingo https://bitcoinmagazine.com/19244/central-bank-italy-declares-virtual-currency-exchanges-not-subject-aml-requirements/ if you're interested
1006662;1423078985;assbot;Central Bank of Italy Declares Virtual Currency Exchanges Are Not Subject to AML Requirements – Bitcoin Magazine ... ( http://bit.ly/1zgk6II )
1006663;1423078993;mircea_popescu;felipelalli: let me ask you guys another thing  <<< when using a broker, you necessarily undertake that risk. the way to not undertake the risk is to have your own account.
1006664;1423079001;jurov;kakobrekla anything that can be parsed, not ran. csv, json,...etc
1006665;1423079010;mircea_popescu;pete_dushenski you know you could write it up yourself.
1006666;1423079019;mircea_popescu;i got one in queue too.
1006667;1423079028;mircea_popescu;jurov i thought you could get json of anything anyway ?
1006668;1423079062;pete_dushenski;mircea_popescu: this is true but there's some other writing i'm attending to
1006669;1423079077;jurov;i cannot get json of /assbot/keyid/
1006670;1423079091;jurov;so id ecided to just pull whole db anyway
1006671;1423079097;pete_dushenski;if the qntra boys don't pick it up within an hour or so, i'll scoop it
1006672;1423079108;mircea_popescu;that's because keid is nonsense? you also can't get json of assbot/english cuisine
1006673;1423079109;jurov;but i now see it's actually a script downloaded by http
1006674;1423079135;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform: ^ from the run-moar-winblows department << how the hell does one check for backdoors. submerge in water an' blow ?
1006675;1423079157;trinque;^lol
1006676;1423079165;jurov;mircea_popescu: one cannot get full fingerprint out of gpg-signed stuff one get by email. t was already discussed
1006677;1423079190;mircea_popescu;jurov but this flaw of the gpg protocol can't really be fixed at the assbot elvel.
1006678;1423079194;mircea_popescu;one is stuck with it.
1006679;1423079214;jurov;yes. i agree. so i am stuck with
1006680;1423079220;jurov;1) downloading db
1006681;1423079228;jurov;2) doing like query
1006682;1423079236;jurov;3) getting key by fingerprint
1006683;1423079244;jurov;4) rechecking the dam sig
1006684;1423079244;mircea_popescu;technically you could just grep the db
1006685;1423079261;jurov;the db cointains users without l2
1006686;1423079262;mircea_popescu;i'd be very interested in hearing about ambiguous matches.
1006687;1423079268;mircea_popescu;yes.
1006688;1423079268;phillipsjk;I have been questioning the feature where you can change key expiry, but not do operations with expired keys. (Since i learned about it)
1006689;1423079281;jurov;3) and 4) take care about ambiguous matches
1006690;1423079285;mircea_popescu;not a great fan of any changes on keys, myself.
1006691;1423079291;mircea_popescu;more gpg cruft that'll have to go in bapgp
1006692;1423079318;jurov;but i am not asking any change about wot mechanism
1006693;1423079319;mircea_popescu;jurov jst saying, you don't have to do any actual query on the db. just grep it.
1006694;1423079407;jurov;replace 2) by grepping is doable
1006695;1423079431;jurov;but in the future i potentially want the turdatron to display wot nicks anyway
1006696;1423079441;mircea_popescu;anyway, presenting it as json is not a bad idea
1006697;1423079448;mircea_popescu;or csv for that matter.
1006698;1423079464;mircea_popescu;but i've not yet got through the logs far enough to figure wtf the contention is so gimme a minute
1006699;1423079481;ben_vulpes;phillipsjk: don't play with expired keys
1006700;1423079523;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform: maslow's thing had 'cooperation'? wat? << it keeps getting revised, it's a bona fide "golf club patter" that thing. always in step with the emotional needs of a new generation.
1006701;1423079527;phillipsjk;ben_vulpes, if you miss issuing a new key, you may still want to sign with an expired key to prove you know the secret.
1006702;1423079548;mircea_popescu;not clear anyone will accept that "proof".
1006703;1423079598;mircea_popescu;pete_dushenski: c'est mieu ? << mieux. the x, like the h, and the e, and everything else in French including the French themselves, is silent.
1006704;1423079601;phillipsjk;The point of a new key is that I am *assuming* the NSA may be ably to crack 1024bit dsa, but I am not sure. I doubt anybody else can do it.
1006705;1423079628;*;phillipsjk now has 2048 bit RSA
1006706;1423079632;mircea_popescu;was dsa the one we were not using because we suspect it comes with a nsa hole from the get go or am i confusing my sas ?
1006707;1423079645;asciilifeform;dsa
1006708;1423079647;mircea_popescu;phillipsjk are you using proper digests ?
1006709;1423079665;mircea_popescu;iirc gpg will happily do md5 even today.
1006710;1423079669;asciilifeform;was explicitly proclaimed by clinton-era nsa as 'civilian' castrato crypto
1006711;1423079673;ben_vulpes;phillipsjk: 4096 or bust baby
1006712;1423079694;pete_dushenski;mircea_popescu: damn my written illiteracy!
1006713;1423079711;phillipsjk;DSA is assumed to be weak because 768bit RSA primes have been publicly factored.
1006714;1423079721;ben_vulpes;phillipsjk: try this .gnupg/gpg.conf http://dpaste.com/0BR41JG.txt
1006715;1423079722;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1zgmHmd )
1006716;1423079724;mircea_popescu;unrelated thread, that.
1006717;1423079735;jurov;apparently mysqldump has absolutely no support for csv/json/anything? lol, even sqlite has it
1006718;1423079745;ben_vulpes;why aren't you people using postgres
1006719;1423079768;jurov;it can only change delimiter not escape data
1006720;1423079820;asciilifeform;backdoors << the linked piece was about somebody who woke up to the idea of checking signatures on downloaded crypto app binaries (for winblows naturally) but couldn't quite wrap brain around pgp
1006721;1423079876;asciilifeform;why he assumed that 'backdoor' must be necessarily inserted at isp, rather than by author of the turdware - ask him, not me
1006722;1423079882;mircea_popescu;phillipsjk what's "Shaw forums" ?
1006723;1423079902;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 54300 @ 0.0003722 = 20.2105 BTC [-] {2} 
1006724;1423079909;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform well at least he's perambulating in the generally right direction...
1006725;1423079953;mircea_popescu;!shasum derp
1006726;1423079953;assbot;Need at least one argument, example: 'wot'. 
1006727;1423079957;mircea_popescu;!shasum wot
1006728;1423079957;assbot;sha256sum wot_users.sql.gz : f4de64eaf67a36a5f9f9af96ff4e6cf302c816b1093d252277a34d06e2c06add
1006729;1423079957;assbot;sha256sum wot_ratings.sql.gz : 2675cf21e2655398640525b1a2841a9a980b5d05e26cc4844540534971a5b7a9
1006730;1423080014;mircea_popescu;jurov one problem is... if this were on a webpage what exact use would it be ?
1006731;1423080015;asciilifeform;winblows user walking to pgp is somewhat like a prisoner walking in the direction of the yard gate. he is still in his cell.
1006732;1423080074;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform no, not so. the better comparison is you saying " winblows user walking to pgp is somewhat like a virgin playing pensively with a fat cucumber. she isstill a virgin."
1006733;1423080078;mircea_popescu;yes, she is. not for long.
1006734;1423080115;asciilifeform;might depend on the winblows user, actually
1006735;1423080125;jurov;mircea_popescu: verifying is another problem. i can do that by hand
1006736;1423080136;asciilifeform;there are quite a few, i think, who are grossly underequipped - intellectually - to actually operate a computer
1006737;1423080160;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform their possession is a blessing for whoever's not doing it : costs more than it produces.
1006738;1423080160;jurov;i'm currently concerned about someone who hacked assbot server running stuff (with potentially correct sums) on my server
1006739;1423080177;asciilifeform;the remainder is the more interesting question
1006740;1423080222;mircea_popescu;jurov i still don't see why you'd process the dump as a myslq
1006741;1423080287;jurov;1. i don't have slaves to write the parser for me
1006742;1423080289;phillipsjk;mircea_popescu, the forums hosted by my ISP. https://community.shaw.ca/thread/18478
1006743;1423080292;assbot;What should we do, if anything, while experienc... | Shaw Support Community ... ( http://bit.ly/1zB6BSW )
1006744;1423080299;mircea_popescu;kakobrekla: im not signing it. << could you make a csv ? or a json ?
1006745;1423080304;mircea_popescu;phillipsjk oh i c.
1006746;1423080305;jurov;2. unnecessary depndence on bitcoin-assets web server
1006747;1423080321;mircea_popescu;jurov what'd be your ideal model ?
1006748;1423080339;jurov;i described these 4 steps above
1006749;1423080398;jurov;step 5 would be to check if sender is in l2
1006750;1423080400;mircea_popescu;that'd be your ideal model ?
1006751;1423080402;jurov;against local db
1006752;1423080494;jurov;ideal? just having api that i can pull keys of l2 members directly from and is never down?
1006753;1423080577;mircea_popescu;kakobrekla can there be a page with a list of l2 fingerprints ?
1006754;1423080677;asciilifeform;275919...
1006755;1423080684;mircea_popescu;;;bc,stats
1006756;1423080688;gribble;Current Blocks: 341966 | Current Difficulty: 4.127287389469702E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 342719 | Next Difficulty In: 753 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 4 days, 21 hours, 21 minutes, and 2 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 44296281000.8 | Estimated Percent Change: 7.32541
1006757;1423080878;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 202480 @ 0.00038624 = 78.2059 BTC [+]
1006758;1423080883;jurov;yes, list of l2 fingerprints would help much
1006759;1423080924;mircea_popescu;phillipsjk you know you might be the first guy of your kind i ever met. so, you're on some isp's forum because... it's your isp ? and i suppose on the mazda forum if/when driving a mazda and so on ?
1006760;1423080952;mircea_popescu;i always assumed those things are just pure astroturf grown out of a misguided attempt to "be online' of various corps.
1006761;1423080970;phillipsjk;I was asking support questions. I normally avoid that forum.
1006762;1423080974;mircea_popescu;ah
1006763;1423080991;mircea_popescu;nm me then. i have a bit of a writer's mind :D
1006764;1423081049;mircea_popescu;!gettrust assbot phillipsjk
1006765;1423081049;assbot;Trust relationship from user assbot to user phillipsjk: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 1 via 1 connections. | http://w.b-a.link/trust/assbot/phillipsjk | http://w.b-a.link/user/phillipsjk
1006766;1423081068;phillipsjk;I do play in the Bitcoin forum...Though it was like 2-3years before I actually bought any.
1006767;1423081258;mircea_popescu;"Their most absurd suggestion turned out to be surprisingly close to the truth: that it must have been some website we visited."
1006768;1423081260;mircea_popescu;funny how that works.
1006769;1423081281;phillipsjk;Theymos (the Bitcointalk admin) proposed a compromise for the block-size issue: start with 2MB blocks. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=941331.msg10352457#msg10352457
1006770;1423081281;assbot;Bitcoin 20MB Fork ... ( http://bit.ly/1zB8y1R )
1006771;1423081322;asciilifeform;choosing where to go for dinner with a coprophagiac; compromise - eat only a little shit.
1006772;1423081347;asciilifeform;just as side dish.
1006773;1423081349;asciilifeform;a garnish
1006774;1423081353;asciilifeform;if slightly unsavoury
1006775;1423081356;*;phillipsjk checks if that is actually a word
1006776;1423081392;mircea_popescu;the overarching point there is that vessenes' scam and the people hanging in -dev do not have the authority to either implement or discuss bitcoin forks.
1006777;1423081393;mircea_popescu;at all.
1006778;1423081396;phillipsjk;..it is.
1006779;1423081402;mircea_popescu;not for any reason, not under any conditions. eod.
1006780;1423081430;asciilifeform;phillipsjk: 'bitcoin' probably does not appear in your dictionary. is a word ?
1006781;1423081461;mircea_popescu;coprophagiac - someone who eats shit.
1006782;1423081466;mircea_popescu;tis english.
1006783;1423081494;asciilifeform;the king's english, aha
1006784;1423081496;phillipsjk;asciilifeform, yes. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bitcoin
1006785;1423081500;assbot;Bitcoin - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ... ( http://bit.ly/1zB8S0r )
1006786;1423081506;phillipsjk;(not technically a dictionary)
1006787;1423081544;trinque;it exists because wikipedia... guffaw
1006788;1423081580;phillipsjk;I used a search engine, not wikipedia directly. I was checking form more than like 3 uses.
1006789;1423081590;mircea_popescu;phillipsjk for the record, these attacks aren't exactly bandwidth related in any sense, they're packet based.
1006790;1423081610;thestringpuller;Ephebophilia.
1006791;1423081621;phillipsjk;The UDP flood was almost full packets.
1006792;1423081621;thestringpuller;mircea_popescu: ^ you know that one?
1006793;1423081632;mircea_popescu;thestringpuller notice that there doesn't exist an equivalent "love for teenaged females".
1006794;1423081681;thestringpuller;;)
1006795;1423081706;phillipsjk;er UDP *fragment* flood. (The UPNP shit was UDP too)
1006796;1423081867;mircea_popescu;aha
1006797;1423082004;ben_vulpes;x and my wm collectively shit themselves when i switch to a monitor theyve never seen before.
1006798;1423082181;the_scourge;ben_vulpes: just do xrandr by hand. unless you're one of those people who has their monitors in the same orientation every day
1006799;1423082235;the_scourge;what wm do you use?
1006800;1423082246;ben_vulpes;stumpwm
1006801;1423082255;ben_vulpes;i just want to use it, i don't want to rewrite it
1006802;1423082263;ben_vulpes;i guess this is the curse of a shop with > 8 monitors
1006803;1423082281;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 54842 @ 0.00037115 = 20.3546 BTC [-]
1006804;1423082288;the_scourge;"StumpWM is a tiling window manager that was created when developer Shawn Betts found ratpoison growing increasingly large and "lispy"."
1006805;1423082297;*;the_scourge goes to find out how something can become too lispy
1006806;1423082327;ben_vulpes;when your c devs start implementing common lisp out of ignorance, it's probably time to just use common lisp.
1006807;1423082416;mircea_popescu;if one could just use common lisp (no devs involved) there'd be no computing language forums.
1006808;1423082419;the_scourge;ben_vulpes: it should respect what xrandr tells it to do, regardless. i've used tiling window managers with a retina laptop in 9 different shops in the last 18 months, sometimes changing desks throughout the week. just turn everything off and use xrandr, i'm sure your wm will respect it
1006809;1423082424;*;the_scourge is interested!
1006810;1423082428;phillipsjk;EMACS user detected.
1006811;1423082463;mircea_popescu;!up cjc
1006812;1423082484;the_scourge;woah... is this wm actually written in common lisp? why have i never heard of this before
1006813;1423082503;asciilifeform;it is extremely well-known among folks with even a mild interest in the subject...
1006814;1423082536;cjc;Thanks mircea_popescu. I've been enjoying watching the somewhat spirited astroturfing over at bitcointalk.org for the last couple of days in this thread with regard to the Fork. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=941331
1006815;1423082537;assbot;Bitcoin 20MB Fork ... ( http://bit.ly/1Df4qHt )
1006816;1423082538;mircea_popescu;not like cl has that many usable apps out there :D
1006817;1423082546;the_scourge;asciilifeform: that's a little low, but i'll freely admit i don't hang around with the right people
1006818;1423082558;mircea_popescu;cjc vox populi vox dei yo!
1006819;1423082576;mircea_popescu;the_scourge why not ?
1006820;1423082580;cjc;Also, I enjoyed the btc-dev mailing list post decision to keep the CPU miner for Alpha Centauri =)
1006821;1423082596;the_scourge;mircea_popescu: opportunity personality?
1006822;1423082602;the_scourge;*and personality
1006823;1423082607;trinque;ah stumpwm... "At least I can get what I want with ample tape."
1006824;1423082615;mircea_popescu;kinda how it usually goes huh
1006825;1423082635;the_scourge;i think the lack of opportunity has bent my personality :(
1006826;1423082708;the_scourge;i'm just happy when i get a client where the head engineer is capable of having slightly technical discussions... staves off the cabin fever (which is possible, even in london)
1006827;1423082739;the_scourge;phillipsjk: thanks for looking into the ddos stuff btw
1006828;1423082744;trinque;the_scourge: gotta just ignore useless people and not miss the opportunity to hang among the worthwhile when it comes along
1006829;1423082748;the_scourge;hi from a fellow canuck, btw
1006830;1423082768;trinque;pretty easy to bitch about how everyone's terrible in the US too if one allows himself
1006831;1423082770;the_scourge;trinque++
1006832;1423082802;phillipsjk;Your welcome. Figured I was being attacked anyway, may as well get data.
1006833;1423082979;the_scourge;trinque: i take responsibility for the situation. i've had certain goals and i've been working on them for so long i haven't stopped to smell the roses or look up the local 2600 chapter. if that even exists anymore
1006834;1423083001;cjc;There was a pretty good deal on lifetime 2600 subscriptions last year.
1006835;1423083010;cjc;I picked it up sans the expensive delivery fee.
1006836;1423083011;trinque;the_scourge: heh, dude.. this feel, I know it
1006837;1423083076;ben_vulpes;<trinque> pretty easy to bitch about how everyone's terrible in the US too if one allows himself << stupidity and malice are the *defaults*, guys. people who aren't either stupid or malicious are *not* to be expected.
1006838;1423083078;ben_vulpes;anywhere.
1006839;1423083134;the_scourge;ben_vulpes: is that because all of the non-stupid people ended up dispairing and turned malicious?
1006840;1423083266;trinque;the_scourge: https://rumpydog.files.wordpress.com/2013/03/kenny-big-cat-rescue.jpg
1006841;1423083268;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1xjqfi1 )
1006842;1423083290;trinque;you take what used to be a predator, add captivity and asinine breeding habits, boom
1006843;1423083373;the_scourge;is that that crazy big cat place in middle of nowhere wisconsin? with the ligers?
1006844;1423083378;the_scourge;i've been there!
1006845;1423083394;the_scourge;but that's a really fucked up... tiger?
1006846;1423083405;trinque;dunno; googled "fat imbred large feline"
1006847;1423083406;the_scourge;er that's a liger isn't it
1006848;1423083424;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes speaking of which : sent emails to ~500 real estate agencies in buenos aires, yes.
1006849;1423083424;trinque;vaguely recalled that they're imbreeding white tigers to keep them going
1006850;1423083447;mircea_popescu;today, sent responses to ~300 of them, that were inquiring to know a) where is the center of buenos aires and b) whether argentines are poor.
1006851;1423083460;mircea_popescu;i was happy to confirm for their needs where the center is and that yes indeed they are poor.
1006852;1423083467;the_scourge;http://votk.org/ < that's the place i think the liger might have died though
1006853;1423083468;assbot;Valley of the Kings Home Page ... ( http://bit.ly/1xjrEoL )
1006854;1423083478;mircea_popescu;stupidity, yes. malice... rarely. on account of people being so stupid they can't really manage malice on the same cpu.
1006855;1423083633;punkman;Ulbricht: "On Wednesday, a jury took about three hours to find him guilty on all seven counts."
1006856;1423083661;pete_dushenski; damn, bb was right on the nose!
1006857;1423083682;trinque;railroad's running right on time
1006858;1423083685;asciilifeform;what they did for 3 hours? played cards ?
1006859;1423083694;mircea_popescu;ha, wd bb.
1006860;1423083722;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: Wow. I just woke up and won?
1006861;1423083727;mircea_popescu;yup
1006862;1423083735;asciilifeform;i bet that soldering iron is warming up already.
1006863;1423083740;asciilifeform;if not sizzling quite yet
1006864;1423083751;mircea_popescu;turns out im the worlds most inept prop bettor :D
1006865;1423083756;BingoBoingo;Last night I got stressed an make a Minix, today...
1006866;1423083780;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: minix, rly ?
1006867;1423083794;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: Practicing small
1006868;1423083796;asciilifeform;honest minix or the heretical minix3 ?
1006869;1423083805;BingoBoingo;old minix
1006870;1423083810;asciilifeform;neato.
1006871;1423083828;the_scourge;punkman: link?
1006872;1423083829;asciilifeform;'Do you pine for the nice days of minix-1.1, when men were men and wrote their own device drivers?' - linus t.
1006873;1423083831;BingoBoingo;Not sure if worked
1006874;1423083842;punkman;http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2015-02-04/ross-ulbricht-convicted-of-running-silk-road-as-dread-pirate
1006875;1423083843;assbot;Ross Ulbricht Convicted of Running Silk Road as Dread Pirate Roberts - Bloomberg Business ... ( http://bit.ly/1xjuvya )
1006876;1423083867;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 125900 @ 0.00036624 = 46.1096 BTC [-] {2} 
1006877;1423083871;mircea_popescu;ill brb
1006878;1423083909;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: I may not have built a userland or drivers
1006879;1423083923;*;BingoBoingo needs more reads
1006880;1423083936;the_scourge;wtf, that speeds things up a little
1006881;1423083972;trinque;holy *shit*; life in prison?
1006882;1423083982;asciilifeform;now who wants to talk about the mythical nullifying juries, lol
1006883;1423083982;the_scourge;no kidding
1006884;1423084012;trinque;dude's being drawn and quartered as an example
1006885;1423084023;asciilifeform;for folks unfamiliar with u.s. jurisprudence, verdict has to be unanimous
1006886;1423084052;BingoBoingo;<asciilifeform> for folks unfamiliar with u.s. jurisprudence, verdict has to be unanimous << Not in every kind of case actually
1006887;1423084058;asciilifeform;if 11 jurors were to feel like, e.g., letting dpr go, and one did not, 'hung jury' and the kangaroo court gets to do the whole thing again
1006888;1423084067;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: in criminal trials, iirc
1006889;1423084069;BingoBoingo;But must almost always be some sort of super majority
1006890;1423084070;asciilifeform;civil - no
1006891;1423084104;BingoBoingo;<asciilifeform> BingoBoingo: in criminal trials, iirc << In capital (death penalty) trials, probably other yes.
1006892;1423084125;asciilifeform;in all fed criminal trials. and in most state criminals.
1006893;1423084155;BingoBoingo;Ah
1006894;1423084172;asciilifeform;ianal.
1006895;1423084194;asciilifeform;incidentally,
1006896;1423084195;asciilifeform;http://fija.org/2014/04/25/jackson-v-louisiana-revisits-non-unanimous-jury-verdicts
1006897;1423084197;assbot;Supreme Court to Consider Revisiting Non-Unanimous Jury Verdicts ... ( http://bit.ly/1xjxeYm )
1006898;1423084218;asciilifeform;^ apparently even this is now up for being fucked with
1006899;1423084473;cazalla;seems qntra already had a category for antarctica.. ;;later tell BingoBoingo australia is not the same as antarctica lol http://qntra.net/2014/12/australia-the-tax-institute-calls-for-voluntary-bitcoin-registry-treating-bitcoin-as-currency/
1006900;1423084474;assbot;Australia: The Tax Institute Calls for 'Voluntary' Bitcoin Registry, Treating Bitcoin as Currency | Qntra.net ... ( http://bit.ly/1xjzuPd )
1006901;1423084491;BingoBoingo;cazalla: Are you sure?
1006902;1423084584;cazalla;yes and that is despite the past week being freezing here (sunny morning today, yay)
1006903;1423084665;BingoBoingo;Antartica, Australia, Africa, Asia, Americas... Continents need less alliteration.
1006904;1423084673;BingoBoingo;!up sergiohlb
1006905;1423084686;cazalla;how's this for a forecast? http://i.imgur.com/s2vBAl0.png
1006906;1423084687;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1xjB3wG )
1006907;1423084723;pete_dushenski;cazalla: BingoBoingo http://pastebin.com/13TyxDv7
1006908;1423084725;assbot;Title: Banca d’Italia ends AML/KYC for Bitcoin businesses, opts out of economi - Pastebin.com ... ( http://bit.ly/1xjBjvL )
1006909;1423084763;pete_dushenski;saved you boys the trouble :)
1006910;1423084786;cazalla;re: pastebin submissions, can we please use email? google snatches these up quick and pastebin gets the credit for the content
1006911;1423084806;cazalla;it's not a big deal but would not want to see it become a habit
1006912;1423084823;pete_dushenski;por supuesto
1006913;1423084828;pete_dushenski;next time: email
1006914;1423084840;cazalla;it's not just you pete_dushenski so, nothing personal :)
1006915;1423085151;asciilifeform;google appears to crawl #b-a www log every other minute or so, likewise.
1006916;1423085163;asciilifeform;(why? ask them)
1006917;1423085290;pete_dushenski;following behind the cool kids and taking notes is nothing new
1006918;1423085299;pete_dushenski;it's worked on the playground since basically forever
1006919;1423085311;pete_dushenski;and what is the internet if not a big playground ?
1006920;1423085520;pete_dushenski;some kids are playing tag, some kids are playing chess, some kids are driving the teachers crazy,
1006921;1423085530;pete_dushenski;some kids are lighting things on fire
1006922;1423085542;pete_dushenski;others, chasing girls
1006923;1423085613;the_scourge;so what does that make google? the monitor or a nerd?
1006924;1423085635;pete_dushenski;which makes me think i should re-write that old classic "all i really need to know i leaned in kindergarten" for the internet age
1006925;1423085683;pete_dushenski;see, the nerd has a good chance of growing up to be someone someday, so google can't very well be that
1006926;1423085706;pete_dushenski;so i guess the monitor, trying to adapt and keep up with the kids
1006927;1423085713;pete_dushenski;but ultimately being slow and a bit greying
1006928;1423085736;pete_dushenski;unless there's a third alternative ?
1006929;1423085868;the_scourge;the desperate wannabe? i think i remember a few of those
1006930;1423085886;the_scourge;i think they outnumbered genetic alphas
1006931;1423085912;nubbins`;o.O
1006932;1423085931;nubbins`;Choose Your Own Stereotype Based On Incomplete Analogies 101
1006933;1423085932;pete_dushenski;asciilifeform: !s merit washing << seen this ? http://www.contravex.com/2014/04/27/philanthropy-not-power/
1006934;1423085933;assbot;"Philanthropy." Not Power. | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski ... ( http://bit.ly/1Dfg0Cq )
1006935;1423085954;nubbins`;pete_dushenski stop bogarting that dutch
1006936;1423085986;pete_dushenski;;;google bogart the dutch
1006937;1423085987;gribble;Humphrey Deforest (Humphrey) Bogart - New Netherland Institute: <http://www.newnetherlandinstitute.org/history-and-heritage/dutch_americans/humphrey-bogart/>; bogart - Wiktionary: <http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/bogart>; Humphrey Bogart - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Humphrey_Bogart>
1006938;1423086004;pete_dushenski;should i know this idiom ?
1006939;1423086152;nubbins`;;;ud bogart
1006940;1423086153;gribble;http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=bogart | A slang term derived from the last name of famous actor Humphrey Bogart because he often kept a cigarette in the corner of his mouth, seemingly never actually ...
1006941;1423086158;nubbins`;;;ud dutch
1006942;1423086159;gribble;http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=going+dutch | going dutch. In dating, when both parties pay for their own bills, thus effectively dispelling the double-standard where men are always expected to pay.
1006943;1423086163;nubbins`;meh on 2nd
1006944;1423086183;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 74480 @ 0.000364 = 27.1107 BTC [-] {2} 
1006945;1423086200;nubbins`;;;ud smoking dutch
1006946;1423086201;gribble;http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Dutch&page=2 | No one actually smokes dutches, they just gut them bitches and fill em up wit product. 2) a slang word for a blunt 3) i guess a dutch is also sumone from Holland ...
1006947;1423086225;pete_dushenski;lol
1006948;1423086524;ben_vulpes;<mircea_popescu> today, sent responses to ~300 of them, that were inquiring to know a) where is the center of buenos aires and b) whether argentines are poor. << why were they asking if argentines are poor?
1006949;1423086529;kakobrekla;;;later tell mircea_popescu jurov http://files.bitcoin-assets.com/wot/trustlist.txt
1006950;1423086530;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1yJj0BA )
1006951;1423086530;gribble;The operation succeeded.
1006952;1423086543;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 100661 @ 0.00035948 = 36.1856 BTC [-] {2} 
1006953;1423086545;ben_vulpes;neatly awkable
1006954;1423086547;ben_vulpes;wd kakobrekla
1006955;1423086548;ben_vulpes;ty
1006956;1423086554;jurov;thanks kakobrekla!
1006957;1423086557;kakobrekla;yw
1006958;1423087514;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: the part of the world where i live is plagued with, among other insects, a type of caterpillar that devours trees wholesale. every spring, gigantic hives (?) - nests with webbing - appear, and when they're full, you can almost see them pulsate, pulsate << Used to be bigger problem here. Then they were largely defeated
1006959;1423087524;asciilifeform;defeated << how ?
1006960;1423087566;phillipsjk;I think birds eat them.
1006961;1423087599;asciilifeform;phillipsjk: the birds here - not very enthusiastically. hence the infestation
1006962;1423087640;phillipsjk;some trees will tolerate one or two defoliations per season as well.
1006963;1423087676;asciilifeform;if this were not so, there'd be rather few trees left here.
1006964;1423087705;asciilifeform;pete_dushenski: philanthropists article << precisely them
1006965;1423087725;pete_dushenski;thought so :)
1006966;1423087725;*;phillipsjk decides to stop talking about things he knows little about.
1006967;1423087750;pete_dushenski;asciilifeform: it's quite the little game those kids play
1006968;1423087772;pete_dushenski;dancing about, spouting words, meeting "important" people
1006969;1423087794;pete_dushenski;it's probably not a bad gig actually
1006970;1423087812;asciilifeform;pete_dushenski: but more generally, applies to the sv vc crapolade. i.e. why does mr schmuck get 100 megabezzlars for schmuckatron? because he's the son/nephew/catamite of one of the vultures who feasted on the corpse of fairchild semi, at&t (pre-breakup), etc.
1006971;1423087858;pete_dushenski;this is no different from what mazarin did
1006972;1423087862;asciilifeform;(not necessarily direct relation - son in law, etc. will do in a pinch. as there's plenty of printed money to go around)
1006973;1423087882;pete_dushenski;re-appropriate some wealth, give to kids
1006974;1423087892;pete_dushenski;isn't this a roman thing even?
1006975;1423087905;asciilifeform;the most pathetic aspect is when civilians become afflicted with the delusion of 'i can haz some too'
1006976;1423087907;pete_dushenski;(and many others too, i'm sure)
1006977;1423087922;pete_dushenski;well, because "we're all equal"
1006978;1423087942;asciilifeform;pete_dushenski: as i tried to explain to mircea_popescu, 'merit wash' is a rather distinct animal from ordinary inheritance
1006979;1423087950;asciilifeform;how:
1006980;1423087967;pete_dushenski;so kid in compton is just like god-daughter of mr. rothschild
1006981;1423087971;asciilifeform;inheritance doesn't create a gigantic circus where millions of fools think they have a shot at being an heir
1006982;1423087983;asciilifeform;and thus warping entire civilization in various crippling ways
1006983;1423088004;asciilifeform;!s tournament market
1006984;1423088005;assbot;7 results for 'tournament market' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=tournament+market
1006985;1423088019;pete_dushenski;it would seem to necessitate an eventual divorce from reality
1006986;1423088021;pete_dushenski;just to cope
1006987;1423088044;pete_dushenski;(for the kids with no shot)
1006988;1423088046;asciilifeform;let's ask BingoBoingo how sport aficionados feel re: 'fixed' matches in sports where this is not customary
1006989;1423088061;pete_dushenski;are there such sports ?
1006990;1423088070;pete_dushenski;maybe... golf
1006991;1423088083;asciilifeform;that's the effect meritwash has on the participants (the 'extras' in the film, naturally. the pre-ordained winners - laugh all the way to the bank.)
1006992;1423088087;pete_dushenski;where officials are largely on the sidelines and players call their own penalties
1006993;1423088113;pete_dushenski;asciilifeform: which they do anyways so it can't be about them
1006994;1423088129;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 170200 @ 0.00035609 = 60.6065 BTC [-] {2} 
1006995;1423088132;pete_dushenski;the difference is the injustice wrought upon the multitudes
1006996;1423088144;asciilifeform;or, famously, the first television 'game show' - '64,000 dollar question' (usa) was famously discovered, in its day, to be fixed
1006997;1423088149;asciilifeform;and this caused a national scandal
1006998;1423088174;pete_dushenski;similar to who wants to be a millionaire? or the same ?
1006999;1423088182;asciilifeform;no idea re ^
1007000;1423088190;*;asciilifeform not a scholar of the subject
1007001;1423088212;pete_dushenski;it's not important
1007002;1423088227;pete_dushenski;i get the picture
1007003;1423088246;asciilifeform;276666 incidentally.
1007004;1423088257;pete_dushenski;chugging along eh
1007005;1423088280;pete_dushenski;i'm heading out tho. cheers!
1007006;1423088312;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 118339 @ 0.00035815 = 42.3831 BTC [+]
1007007;1423088838;jurov;http://motherboard.vice.com/read/the-pirate-bay-is-an-fbi-honeypot-a-disconcertingly-plausible-conspiracy-theory
1007008;1423088839;assbot;The Pirate Bay Is an FBI Honeypot: a Disconcertingly Plausible Conspiracy Theory | Motherboard ... ( http://bit.ly/1zMEsKo )
1007009;1423089044;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 87520 @ 0.00037162 = 32.5242 BTC [+]
1007010;1423089244;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes specifically, they wanted to know "what zones im interested in" and "what my budget is".
1007011;1423089254;mircea_popescu;somehow this are questions now.
1007012;1423089276;asciilifeform;http://cryptome.org/2015/02/gchq-lovely-horse-intercept-15-0204.pdf << uk gov digs through, e.g., 'pastebin', in search of 0days.
1007013;1423089277;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1zMIfau )
1007014;1423089278;mircea_popescu;kakobrekla hawt.
1007015;1423089304;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform most script kiddies do neh ?
1007016;1423089340;asciilifeform;there is a tradition of actually throwing genuine 0days in there.
1007017;1423089343;asciilifeform;don't ask me why
1007018;1423089365;asciilifeform;but naturally this creates million zombies with 'gambler's disease' who dig, dig, dig
1007019;1423089499;mircea_popescu;cazalla: re: pastebin submissions, can we please use email? google snatches these up quick and pastebin gets the credit for the content << oops sorry bout that.
1007020;1423089504;mircea_popescu;say i gpg to your key next time ?
1007021;1423089533;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform: (why? ask them) << usg looking for zero days as well :)
1007022;1423089690;cazalla;mircea_popescu, that works
1007023;1423089816;ben_vulpes;mircea_popescu: natural questions for their business models, neh?
1007024;1423089824;mircea_popescu;neh.
1007025;1423089837;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 95400 @ 0.00036332 = 34.6607 BTC [-]
1007026;1423089841;ben_vulpes;how so not?
1007027;1423089848;mircea_popescu;if oyu don't know what the center of the town is or that you live in a shithole, you should go back to highschool.
1007028;1423089867;ben_vulpes;granted, the first parts downright stupid
1007029;1423089881;BingoBoingo;<asciilifeform> phillipsjk: the birds here - not very enthusiastically. hence the infestation << New birds essentially. Also Replacing favorable trees with less so. Liberal amounts of poisoin too.
1007030;1423089896;mircea_popescu;then answer to "i'm looking to rent" is "best value for money i got is this, best all around property is this, which you want ?"
1007031;1423089915;mircea_popescu;not "oh, are buildings made of building materials i wonder soliloquously ?"
1007032;1423090014;cazalla;mircea_popescu: phillipsjk you know you might be the first guy of your kind i ever met. so, you're on some isp's forum because... it's your isp ? and i suppose on the mazda forum if/when driving a mazda and so on ? <<< popular thing in australia, or at least was back in 90s, early 2000s
1007033;1423090029;cazalla;local dialup isp even had bbqs
1007034;1423090057;mircea_popescu;o, that they did in the 90s too. local dialup isp almost always being "three or four of the cooler kids in that neighbourhood"
1007035;1423090066;mircea_popescu;in ro in the 90s*
1007036;1423090207;mircea_popescu;jurov: http://motherboard.vice.com/read/the-pirate-bay-is-an-fbi-honeypot << that usg agitprop runs this about tpb after a year of studiously ignoring http://trilema.com/2013/dear-guardian-stop-being-retarded/ seems the best street cred for current day tpb.
1007037;1423090208;assbot;vmp - Error Site | Motherboard ... ( http://bit.ly/1zMMnqU )
1007038;1423090209;assbot;Dear Guardian : stop being retarded. pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.  ... ( http://bit.ly/1zMMnrc )
1007039;1423090430;mircea_popescu;The well-heeled group seemed receptive. �I think it�s fantastic,� said Patrick Gage, a 19-year-old heir to the multibillion-dollar Carlson hotel and hospitality fortune. �I�ve never seen anything like this before.� Mr. Gage is an industry leader in enforcing measures to combat trafficking and involuntary prostitution.
1007040;1423090437;mircea_popescu;lol check it out, it's an industry now :D
1007041;1423090457;mircea_popescu;anyway, so obama gets 100 rich kids together to inquire about soft capital confiscation. turns out the kids don't mind.
1007042;1423090631;mircea_popescu;in other news, http://pastebin.com/Hhmy0DUL
1007043;1423090632;assbot;I am a No Limits No Taboo slave looking to be owned by men, women or a couple. I - Pastebin.com ... ( http://bit.ly/1DzrqhY )
1007044;1423091116;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform> let's ask BingoBoingo how sport aficionados feel re: 'fixed' matches in sports where this is not customary << Actual fraud. One the other hand horrifically mismatched team (happens a lot in college where small schools will get paid by larger schools to play a game the larger school anticipates winning) can be loads of fun. Especially when the school paid to play wins.
1007045;1423091424;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 143111 @ 0.00036154 = 51.7404 BTC [-] {2} 
1007046;1423091553;mircea_popescu;"when the FBI tackled Ulbricht in the Library with the Laptop Forensics Toolkit" << also, partition encryption werks!
1007047;1423092078;mircea_popescu;o by the way. anyone know who were the first gynecologists ?
1007048;1423092094;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 52889 @ 0.00036052 = 19.0675 BTC [-]
1007049;1423092155;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 53190 @ 0.00036335 = 19.3266 BTC [+]
1007050;1423092302;kakobrekla;<mircea_popescu> cazalla: re: pastebin submissions, can we please use email? google snatches these up quick and pastebin gets the credit for the content << oops sorry bout that. < dpaste btw
1007051;1423092317;mircea_popescu;that's a point.
1007052;1423092323;kakobrekla;no public pastes, no ads
1007053;1423092341;mircea_popescu;yeh yeh. dunno how pastebin crept back in.
1007054;1423092364;cazalla;mircea_popescu, barbers as well?
1007055;1423092374;mircea_popescu;cazalla mendicunt monks.
1007056;1423092408;cazalla;i vaguely remember reading about barbers being surgeons on trilema before hence reasoning for my guess
1007057;1423092704;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 92910 @ 0.00036335 = 33.7588 BTC [+]
1007058;1423092785;asciilifeform;how pastebin crept back in << rough substitute for the shortwave station we don't have
1007059;1423092801;asciilifeform;i.e. no illusions of privacy or reliability
1007060;1423092825;asciilifeform;i dislike the sugar-coated 'nice' pastebins for this reason
1007061;1423092920;mircea_popescu;nono i mean the site specifically.
1007062;1423092923;mircea_popescu;dpaste much better
1007063;1423093465;mircea_popescu;http://qntra.net/2015/02/banca-ditalia-ends-amlkyc-for-bitcoin-businesses-opts-out-of-economic-death/ << lol ok this one i heart.
1007064;1423093465;assbot;Banca d’Italia Ends AML/KYC For Bitcoin Businesses, Opts Out Of Economic Death | Qntra.net ... ( http://bit.ly/1I477jz )
1007065;1423093558;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 55430 @ 0.00037162 = 20.5989 BTC [+]
1007066;1423093866;ben_vulpes;pastebin is verboten
1007067;1423093871;ben_vulpes;constantly adding in dos line endings
1007068;1423093873;ben_vulpes;CANNOT ABIDE
1007069;1423093884;ben_vulpes;mircea_popescu: gyns << no who?
1007070;1423093919;ben_vulpes;Disclosure: Although the event was closed to the media, I was invited by the founders of Nexus, Jonah Wittkamper and Rachel Cohen Gerrol, to report on the conference as a member of the family that started the Johnson & Johnson pharmaceutical company. << woo hoo hoo
1007071;1423093925;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes mendicunt monks.
1007072;1423093925;*;ben_vulpes closes the tab
1007073;1423093928;ben_vulpes;>.<
1007074;1423093956;mircea_popescu;it;'s great!
1007075;1423093996;ben_vulpes;what's the american ob-gyn chain of the future?
1007076;1423094031;mircea_popescu;mmmm
1007077;1423094036;mircea_popescu;herp-r-us ?
1007078;1423094064;mircea_popescu;snatch-o-mattic ?
1007079;1423094088;ben_vulpes;Mend-A-Cunt™
1007080;1423094095;mircea_popescu;lol
1007081;1423094100;mircea_popescu;McBox
1007082;1423094133;mircea_popescu;QwikTwat
1007083;1423094160;BingoBoingo;https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=9000912
1007084;1423094161;assbot;IBL, Almost Larger Than IRL | Hacker News ... ( http://bit.ly/1KesnAA )
1007085;1423094179;mircea_popescu;yay
1007086;1423094883;mircea_popescu;!gettrust assbot beautyon
1007087;1423094883;assbot;beautyon is not registered in WoT.
1007088;1423094942;BingoBoingo;!gettrust assbot Irdial
1007089;1423094942;assbot;Irdial is not registered in WoT.
1007090;1423095483;mircea_popescu;scoopbot -fetch
1007091;1423095610;mircea_popescu;i guess that's not how that works. anyway : http://trilema.com/2015/open-assbot-wot-website/
1007092;1423095611;assbot;[OPEN] Assbot WoT website pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.  ... ( http://bit.ly/1KexrFi )
1007093;1423095620;mircea_popescu;erryone lemme know if you like / want more icecream a la mode.
1007094;1423095876;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 8000 @ 0.00097074 = 7.7659 BTC [+] {6} 
1007095;1423095937;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 2300 @ 0.000971 = 2.2333 BTC [+]
1007096;1423096460;adlai;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=28-01-2015#994929 << what about this cream
1007097;1423096460;assbot;Logged on 28-01-2015 05:29:24; mircea_popescu: adlai so that's how it works. you get some btc, publish your trades, etc.
1007098;1423096480;mircea_popescu;adlai huh ?
1007099;1423096486;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 10549 @ 0.00095022 = 10.0239 BTC [-] {14} 
1007100;1423096527;adlai;i'd like to test scalpl on larger amounts of btc than i have at my personal disposal.
1007101;1423096537;mod6;perhaps what i can do here, is take the copy of the blockchain that i tried to sync day-before yesterday (copied @ ~160000 blocks) and use gdb to try to see what's going on with that that block
1007102;1423096581;mod6;seems to be: 2c2314f353 VerifySignature failed ... invalid block=0000000000000a40136b  height=168001
1007103;1423096627;mod6;not sure exactly what to be looking for... but turning over a few 'stones' might find something.
1007104;1423096706;kakobrekla;adlai curious, whats the min youd take?
1007105;1423096758;asciilifeform;adlai: why does it have to test on actual live-fire btc anyway?
1007106;1423096761;adlai;depends what's at hand
1007107;1423096797;adlai;because anything else is roughly equivalent to changetip
1007108;1423096802;asciilifeform;adlai: when i laboured under the delusion that i could write a useful trading automaton, i found it simple enough to 'trade' with imaginary btc, gold, etc.
1007109;1423096810;asciilifeform;to see if algo is worth something
1007110;1423096836;adlai;sure, this is possible to implement. that doesn't mean the answers are relevant.
1007111;1423096848;asciilifeform;adlai: let me guess, your machine relies on actually moving the market ?
1007112;1423096851;kakobrekla;this works for fx better than btc
1007113;1423096859;adlai;nope
1007114;1423096883;asciilifeform;then what is the hidden gotcha in testing with imaginary objects ?
1007115;1423096887;decimation;I wouldn't mind trying to run a  trade bot but it would involve much tax paperwork in the us
1007116;1423096896;asciilifeform;decimation: 'not caught, not thief'
1007117;1423096927;adlai;decimation: i'm not a lawyer, but i gather from conversations with them that it's a matter of *precisely* documenting the net p/l and paying tax on that
1007118;1423096935;kakobrekla;isnt it 'not thief, caught' in murica ?
1007119;1423096940;decimation;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=30-01-2015#998041
1007120;1423096940;assbot;Logged on 30-01-2015 04:33:41; asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: 'Явка с повинной облегчает совесть и удлиняет срок.' (ru. jailhouse proverb: 'a guilty plea lightens your conscience and lengthens your sentence.')
1007121;1423096952;asciilifeform;decimation: just avoid fiat...
1007122;1423096969;decimation;adlai: yes, one would have to document each lot traded
1007123;1423097049;kakobrekla;<adlai> depends what's at hand < anyway not helping, ofc you will take whats at hand. if not there, not even the army can take.
1007124;1423097082;adlai;ofc?
1007125;1423097091;kakobrekla;;;ud ofc
1007126;1423097092;gribble;http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=ofc | Used in Instant Messaging for Of Course (Of Fucking Course if in all caps). " John121: u going to the movie tomorrow?" "Alex33: ofc". by MisterEgo October 09 , ...
1007127;1423097102;adlai;which course?
1007128;1423097117;kakobrekla;south please.
1007129;1423097132;*;adlai is placing offers in the book, not market orders
1007130;1423097348;kakobrekla;i forgot, do you use buttstamp too? if so i have sort of an exploit for their so called trading engine
1007131;1423097414;*;adlai does not
1007132;1423098377;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 108150 @ 0.00038 = 41.097 BTC [+]
1007133;1423098621;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 196300 @ 0.00038082 = 74.755 BTC [+] {2} 
1007134;1423099165;mircea_popescu;adlai ok so what did you have in mind ?
1007135;1423099182;mircea_popescu;<asciilifeform> adlai: why does it have to test on actual live-fire btc anyway? << so he can make a buck ?
1007136;1423099298;decimation;re: meritwashing < I think the way this plays out in actual us business is that you are friends with someone who controls bezzlars
1007137;1423099387;mircea_popescu;Явка с повинной облегчает совесть и удлиняет сок :D
1007138;1423099471;decimation;heh
1007139;1423099505;adlai;03:19:17                  | [adlai away: zzz]
1007140;1423099508;adlai;03:19:26  +mircea_popescu | adlai ok so what did you have in mind ?
1007141;1423099521;mircea_popescu;lol
1007142;1423099536;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 101750 @ 0.00037822 = 38.4839 BTC [-] {2} 
1007143;1423099577;adlai;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=28-01-2015#994882 << i've been running it on N btc of my own money, how many are you willing to risk?
1007144;1423099577;assbot;Logged on 28-01-2015 05:19:40; mircea_popescu: adlai how much capital were you looking for ?
1007145;1423099634;mircea_popescu;well, if you make a f.mpif pc and report your trades, say daily, and submit monthly sum reports, i dunno, 10 ?
1007146;1423099680;adlai;technically speaking, wouldn't this be simplest accomplished by having you provide me with api keys to an account on, say, btce, and us both publishing a readonly key to that account?
1007147;1423099690;adlai;(this would also be more profitable than other exchanges...)
1007148;1423099717;mircea_popescu;i don't keep accounts on teh scamchanges.
1007149;1423099750;adlai;this necessitates trusting them, even if indirectly
1007150;1423099762;mircea_popescu;nope. it's on you.
1007151;1423099779;mircea_popescu;this is how finance works.
1007152;1423100299;decimation;http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/jill-kelley-e-mails-depict-a-striving-tampa-socialite-and-a-smitten-military-brass/2015/02/03/ef8cb06c-a800-11e4-a06b-9df2002b86a0_story.html?hpid=z2  << apparently being a bigshot usg general means you get to handpick 'honorary ambassadors' to serve you meals
1007153;1423100300;assbot;Jill Kelley e-mails depict a striving Tampa socialite and a smitten military brass - The Washington Post ... ( http://bit.ly/1AubAI0 )
1007154;1423100333;decimation;"Nor has anyone fully explained why Allen, while busy overseeing the war in Afghanistan, exchanged a blizzard of correspondence with Kelley — between 20,000 and 30,000 pages of e-mails, according to some senior defense officials. Other officials have said that figure includes many duplicate notes and exaggerates the extent of their communications, adding that there were only about 300 total e-mails."
1007155;1423100369;decimation;why would some four star usg general spend time to send 300 emails to some lebanese groupie chick?
1007156;1423100408;asciilifeform;http://imgur.com/a/e2RWY << made this quick likbez for the folks here
1007157;1423100409;assbot;                    JTAG on PogoPlug. - Imgur ... ( http://bit.ly/1AubOPz )
1007158;1423100461;*;adlai does some arithmetic
1007159;1423100553;decimation;then I heard this podcast: http://www.econtalk.org/archives/2013/02/glenn_reynolds.html << "Guest: It's funny--one of my friends, who has been a long-term, upper level bureaucrat in Washington said to me his favorite phenomenon to see is these people coming through these usually politically-appointed jobs and, he says: They think everybody loves them. And then they leave the job and they realize that everybody just loved the job. And
1007160;1423100555;assbot;" + soundfiledesc + " ... ( http://bit.ly/1Auc9lf )
1007161;1423100555;decimation;that once they are not in the job any more they realize they don't have nearly as many friends as they thought they did. The smarter ones do know this. And that's why so many[?] hang onto power. "
1007162;1423100617;decimation;asciilifeform: why do you need jtag?  to blow the fuses?
1007163;1423100632;decimation;or for online debugging?
1007164;1423100641;asciilifeform;decimation: lamer reason: it makes reflashing considerably faster.
1007165;1423100648;decimation;ah
1007166;1423100648;asciilifeform;decimation: no need to reboot into a working kernel
1007167;1423100664;asciilifeform;decimation: also lets you play with bootloader safely
1007168;1423100687;asciilifeform;(it is actually possible to reflash the bootloader through serial port alone, but takes forever)
1007169;1423100694;decimation;is that a flash card?  can you boot off that?
1007170;1423100695;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 57500 @ 0.00038225 = 21.9794 BTC [+]
1007171;1423100701;asciilifeform;where?
1007172;1423100719;asciilifeform;there's an sd in the slot, yes. you can boot off that, but only if you have a working bootloader
1007173;1423100720;decimation;the little sim-card connector thingy on the left
1007174;1423100723;decimation;ah
1007175;1423100725;mircea_popescu;<decimation> why would some four star usg general spend time to send 300 emails to some lebanese groupie chick? << i wrote like a billion lines in here. why not ?
1007176;1423100743;asciilifeform;also, the bootloader does not automatically find kernels on arbitrary devices, you have to script it
1007177;1423100746;asciilifeform;and it's annoying
1007178;1423100762;decimation;yeah I can imagine
1007179;1423100768;asciilifeform;(has to be told what exactly to initialize and where the offset of kernel is, and length)
1007180;1423100783;asciilifeform;but this is described elsewhere and i will not waste space on it here.
1007181;1423100789;mircea_popescu;chick's so drastically ugly tho...
1007182;1423100793;decimation;one would have to write software to craft the correct binary turd
1007183;1423100795;mircea_popescu;she looks reconstructed out of flotsam.
1007184;1423100810;asciilifeform;as for jtag itself, my current favourite is 'busblaster' - made in singapore
1007185;1423100813;decimation;mircea_popescu: her emails are not particularly intellectually stimulating either
1007186;1423100863;decimation;asciilifeform: you earlier mentioned using a 'bus pirate' for spi connections
1007187;1423100874;asciilifeform;aha
1007188;1423100880;decimation;do you know the max data rate one can continuously suck off the spi?
1007189;1423100887;asciilifeform;'bus pirate' is dog slow
1007190;1423100888;decimation;the documentation is poor.
1007191;1423100899;asciilifeform;i don't remember the exact rate, no
1007192;1423100912;decimation;I wouldn't mind having a device that interfaces to arbitrary serial ports at reasonable rates
1007193;1423100933;asciilifeform;'blaster' will do 30+MHz
1007194;1423100969;asciilifeform;it's a little thing with a 'xilinx' fpga (nonvolatile) and 'ftdi' usb2 diddler
1007195;1423100988;asciilifeform;you can repurpose it for something non-jtag-ish easily enough
1007196;1423101003;decimation;ah interesting, one can reprogram the fpga?
1007197;1423101005;asciilifeform;aha
1007198;1423101012;decimation;that sounds useful
1007199;1423101032;asciilifeform;cpld really
1007200;1423101035;asciilifeform;it's an xc2c64a.
1007201;1423101055;asciilifeform;this is not a rare device, they're sold by the megatonne
1007202;1423101059;asciilifeform;on various hobbyist sites
1007203;1423101072;decimation;yeah you would just need a little reprogramming to change the serial output/input state machines
1007204;1423101101;asciilifeform;but if you can build 'openOCD' for your system, this will do everything the 'adult' jtag machines ($xxxxx golden toilets) will.
1007205;1423101109;thestringpuller;scoopbot --fetch
1007206;1423101121;decimation;also, today I was thinking about your rsa-signed-udp-packets thingy
1007207;1423101144;decimation;it struck me that you could probably use one of those edgerouter lites to make a cheap version
1007208;1423101148;thestringpuller;o look a hanbot
1007209;1423101154;asciilifeform;decimation: cheap version of what ?
1007210;1423101155;*;hanbot waves
1007211;1423101168;asciilifeform;decimation: it doesn't need dedicated hardware, strictly speaking
1007212;1423101170;decimation;'check all incoming udp packets for signature'
1007213;1423101175;decimation;no, but it would be nice
1007214;1423101175;thestringpuller;how are you this evening?
1007215;1423101176;asciilifeform;not all!
1007216;1423101182;asciilifeform;there'd be no room for anything useful
1007217;1423101185;asciilifeform;think.
1007218;1423101199;asciilifeform;assume a 4096 bit key
1007219;1423101213;decimation;you would want enough of a protocol to identify 'possible traffic'
1007220;1423101226;hanbot;thestringpuller sick, but souping out nicely
1007221;1423101262;asciilifeform;decimation: the practical way is to sign 'hello'
1007222;1423101315;asciilifeform;in response to a valid, non-replayed 'hello' (from known pubkey, naturally), machine sends back a single-use rsa pubkey (generated for the occasion) to the requester
1007223;1423101315;thestringpuller;all the fluids! I hope you feel better hanbot !
1007224;1423101331;asciilifeform;who in turn generates a block cipher (symmetric) key for the occasion
1007225;1423101340;asciilifeform;and sends it back to the session pubkey
1007226;1423101357;mircea_popescu;we still doing the symetric cypher thing ?
1007227;1423101357;asciilifeform;machine decrypts this. now both sides have a symmetric key
1007228;1423101375;decimation;yeah but you would want a block cipher that could tolerate lost packets
1007229;1423101380;asciilifeform;decimation: nope
1007230;1423101391;asciilifeform;decimation: embed frame
1007231;1423101458;decimation;what about just signing each packe?
1007232;1423101548;asciilifeform;decimation: assume 4096-bit rsa. and udp mtu (576.)
1007233;1423101554;asciilifeform;also remember that padding exists
1007234;1423101568;asciilifeform;now compute the maximum payload.
1007235;1423101583;decimation;yeah but in exchange you can use a full-broadcast model
1007236;1423101604;asciilifeform;decimation: where do you intend to broadcast?
1007237;1423101651;decimation;well, if ip multicast were functional that would be ideal
1007238;1423101669;asciilifeform;but it isn't.
1007239;1423101714;asciilifeform;also why make the enemy's job easier by transmitting plaintext ever?
1007240;1423101742;asciilifeform;ideally even the 'hello' could be encrypted to the destination's pubkey if you know it (and you ought to)
1007241;1423101757;asciilifeform;no one sitting on the wire should be able to observe anything but garbage.
1007242;1423101786;asciilifeform;to log readers wondering about the purpose of the disposable rsa key: forward secrecy
1007243;1423101815;asciilifeform;lacking this, a captured 'hot' node would allow decryption of traffic captured at an earlier time.
1007244;1423101831;decimation;assuming the programmer properly cleared the old keys
1007245;1423101840;asciilifeform;(this is an elementary method and i did not in any way invent it)
1007246;1423101856;asciilifeform;assuming programmer is not retarded.
1007247;1423101910;decimation;asciilifeform: what about the dream of a persistent global namespace?
1007248;1423101915;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 41448 @ 0.00038233 = 15.8468 BTC [+] {2} 
1007249;1423101925;asciilifeform;decimation: how do you suppose it plugs in here ?
1007250;1423101963;decimation;it doesn't.  but individually signed packets do.
1007251;1423101995;asciilifeform;you'd have to transmit >mtu packets - or use shorter keys
1007252;1423101997;asciilifeform;neither really appeals
1007253;1423102074;asciilifeform;or rather, if you implement one of the error codings discussed earlier, you can shoot out a small signed gibblet at a time, yes
1007254;1423102079;asciilifeform;and have them reassemble
1007255;1423102110;decimation;I suppose mircea has already described why a 'global namespace' is a poor fit for chat
1007256;1423102131;asciilifeform;'zooko's triangle' etc
1007257;1423102172;asciilifeform;thing is, if you forget about the 'memorable', there is no triangle.
1007258;1423102177;asciilifeform;all you need is a better memory.
1007259;1423102189;asciilifeform;pgp keys are, in practice, all the global namespace you could ask for.
1007260;1423102205;asciilifeform;nobody's going to generate a colliding key.
1007261;1423102264;decimation;yeah that's a good point
1007262;1423103221;thestringpuller;alf: http://mightyohm.com/files/soldercomic/FullSolderComic_EN.pdf
1007263;1423103465;asciilifeform;thestringpuller: send that back in time to the 9 y.o. me
1007264;1423103495;asciilifeform;!up Vexual
1007265;1423103562;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 52997 @ 0.00038235 = 20.2634 BTC [+]
1007266;1423103562;thestringpuller;i imagine 9 yo you had a giant robot and a laboratory
1007267;1423103606;asciilifeform;no, but had soldering iron
1007268;1423103786;mircea_popescu;hence his ideas about thermocrypto.
1007269;1423103862;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: http://www.my-garage.spb.ru/img/238.jpg  << a cryptoanalytic soldering iron.
1007270;1423103863;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1zhxFaZ )
1007271;1423103869;coderwill;hi everybody
1007272;1423103890;mircea_popescu;http://trilema.com/2015/how-do-the-aparatchicks-live/ << hopefully the entire us civil service reads this.
1007273;1423103890;assbot;How do the aparatchicks live ? pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.  ... ( http://bit.ly/1zhxLzi )
1007274;1423104050;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 203950 @ 0.00037822 = 77.138 BTC [-]
1007275;1423104265;coderwill;anyone working on any new projects?
1007276;1423104351;coderwill;i was reading about qntra, btw, that sounds really cool - i like the idea behind it. definitely would love to submit some material, it's going to take me a while to read 6 months of the logs though. :)
1007277;1423104376;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: 'Years, decades, you've done your part to build the great progressive future... ...the work instead of imaginary devils...' << who said the general necessarily believes in anything other than the fat paycheck (not from army, naturally, but 'consulting' gigs) and cheap whores ?
1007278;1423104391;mircea_popescu;coderwill http://trilema.com/category/job-board/
1007279;1423104392;assbot;Page not found pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.  ... ( http://bit.ly/1zhzaGb )
1007280;1423104413;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform if that scrawny harpy is what a fat paycheck buys in the us
1007281;1423104421;mircea_popescu;give me mongolia.
1007282;1423104455;coderwill;mircea_popescu: thanks for the link, must not be any jobs since it 404'd, hehe
1007283;1423104461;mircea_popescu;uh ?!
1007284;1423104483;mircea_popescu;assbot doesn't knoiw what it's talking about.
1007285;1423104497;coderwill;haha
1007286;1423104518;thestringpuller;can asswot graph be in d3?
1007287;1423104536;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: any reason to think that the particular specimen was the primary whore ?
1007288;1423104546;asciilifeform;could just as easily be a spare.
1007289;1423104580;mircea_popescu;once we're in the camp, i wish to be in the room with alf.
1007290;1423104581;coderwill;also, sorry, didn't mean to just come across like i was looking for work (although this page looks great, thanks). also was just asking for conversational purposes if any new stuff is happening.
1007291;1423104588;mircea_popescu;for clearly it will not be the real camp, but merely a spare one.
1007292;1423104604;*;asciilifeform adjusts stake^H^H^H^Hchair
1007293;1423104605;mircea_popescu;coderwill but more productive for that purpose to read teh logs.
1007294;1423104626;coderwill;mircea_popescu: ok
1007295;1423104636;*;asciilifeform has not met especially many specimens of u.s. military brass, but the ones he saw alive gave the impression of being something quite like professional actors.
1007296;1423104655;mircea_popescu;dead on the inside ?
1007297;1423104657;asciilifeform;just another role, for these folks; all you need - hindbrain.
1007298;1423104658;asciilifeform;aha.
1007299;1423104666;mircea_popescu;lemme show you aman
1007300;1423104681;mircea_popescu;http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/5/5a/Flickr_-_Israel_Defense_Forces_-_20th_Chief_of_Staff%2C_Lt._Gen._Benny_Gantz.jpg
1007301;1423104686;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/16r3suI )
1007302;1423104686;mircea_popescu;find me an us counterpart.
1007303;1423104714;asciilifeform;not familiar with this one
1007304;1423104723;mircea_popescu;the jews are ahead.
1007305;1423104726;asciilifeform;or are we just doing physiognomy.
1007306;1423104727;Vexual;GAMMPool spec are a little thin, what do you actually wanna do?
1007307;1423104733;mircea_popescu;we're doing physiognomy.
1007308;1423104752;thestringpuller;mircea_popescu: yea ass graph is pretty big, dont' think 1 in regards to: http://trilema.com/2015/open-assbot-wot-website/ will be very pretty
1007309;1423104775;asciilifeform;if physiognomy - not that different from a certain boss's boss i remember
1007310;1423104780;mircea_popescu;thestringpuller like 500-1k points on a 700k field neh.
1007311;1423104835;thestringpuller;http://cookiechief.com/wotviz/ << well even with heavy force the lords are overlap each other. maybe l2 may not be as bad. gimme on sec and I'll update with postive ratings from L2
1007312;1423104866;mircea_popescu;ah you were working on a corner of this weren't you
1007313;1423104877;mircea_popescu;course nothing loads.
1007314;1423104887;thestringpuller;not loading for you?
1007315;1423104909;asciilifeform;but it wouldn't surprise me the least bit to learn that today's u.s. colonels who think too much, tend to retire as colonel
1007316;1423104943;asciilifeform;perhaps mats has something to add to this.
1007317;1423104943;thestringpuller;oh you run noscript don't you?
1007318;1423105018;mircea_popescu;thestringpuller prolly best to imgmagik it into a png or jp
1007319;1423105049;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform thinking too much is fine, for as long as it's mere spinning, and never productive.
1007320;1423105066;BingoBoingo;<mircea_popescu> thestringpuller prolly best to imgmagik it into a png or jp << Actually used imagemagick 20 minutes ago assembling a document package for qntra post in progress
1007321;1423105069;mircea_popescu;god help the man that a) thinks ; b) gets a result and c) expects the system to CHANGE to accomodate HIS result.
1007322;1423105080;mircea_popescu;the system changes for no man and even less than that for mere thoughts.
1007323;1423105089;mircea_popescu;exactly why the system must be trampled underfoot.
1007324;1423105117;thestringpuller;the graph is interactive via js, dumping to img will take that interactivity away. but if that's "best" yea you could run it and dump out raw svg elements that aren't interactive.
1007325;1423105147;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: i can't even assume that 'medcom' is really representative of the rest of the american army.
1007326;1423105201;mircea_popescu;can it be interactive via html5 then ?
1007327;1423105240;decimation;mircea_popescu: people who think (the phrase in the us is 'change the system from the inside') are generally beaten down and otherwised smashed by the system
1007328;1423105289;thestringpuller;the <canvas> element still requires js: http://www.w3schools.com/html/html5_canvas.asp
1007329;1423105315;thestringpuller;i guess for "noscript users" it can precompile to SVG's and they can just stare at it and imagine it being interactive
1007330;1423105323;mircea_popescu;lol
1007331;1423105329;mircea_popescu;can't hurt to degrade
1007332;1423105339;decimation;I think moldbug captured the picture well: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-08-2014#782110 http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-08-2014#782111
1007333;1423105339;assbot;Logged on 02-08-2014 20:55:13; decimation: "(I actually have great sympathy for the professional.  In a bureaucratic oligarchy like ours, the professional both rules and is ruled.  At the top, there is no one on top of him.  Yet he cannot change his mind.  He would simply be replaced.  There are always younger, more eager professionals.  Sovereignty is conserved; it is always humans who rule; and yet, it seems that no one rules.  Who gets to put 
1007334;1423105339;assbot;Logged on 02-08-2014 20:55:15; decimation: stand there, and look like a captain.  Chicks dig it.  And yes, sir, it sure does pay.)"
1007335;1423105363;mircea_popescu;heh
1007336;1423105368;mircea_popescu;a) what chicks and b) what pay.
1007337;1423105374;decimation;well, see your post
1007338;1423105390;decimation;apparently while you are on a hopeless mission in the desert you can email that 'socialite'
1007339;1423105404;mircea_popescu;i'd rather email a goat.
1007340;1423105427;mircea_popescu;and the unmitigated impudence of these "journalist" shitheads ...
1007341;1423105446;mircea_popescu;tell you what, the fact that he can't round up gawker, atlantic, wp and anyone else who ever wrote his name in print and shoot the lot
1007342;1423105452;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: b) they're all reasonably loaded (for a clerk) a) they're generally old enough, not necessarily for impotence, but to mostly lack interest.
1007343;1423105456;mircea_popescu;is enough reason to make his profession -ev for a man of ability and intellect.
1007344;1423105485;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform the notion that old men are not inclined to fuck and the notion that poor people are content with poverty are both nonsense of the first degree.
1007345;1423105492;mircea_popescu;if he could get a better cunt he would,
1007346;1423105498;mircea_popescu;and if he could get two he would get two.
1007347;1423105520;mircea_popescu;it's not like she's some sort of anais nin, this woman.
1007348;1423105530;mircea_popescu;she's readily replaceable with a wooden valet.
1007349;1423105549;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: impudence... he can't round up... and shoot the lot << remember michael hastings ?
1007350;1423105564;mircea_popescu;(and by the way : kardashian ? WAY better model for any 16 yo girl than this levy sandsack)
1007351;1423105601;mircea_popescu;dude, that's not how this goes.
1007352;1423105629;asciilifeform;http://whowhatwhy.org/2013/07/14/the-michael-hastings-wreck-video-evidence-offers-a-few-clues << for n00bz
1007353;1423105632;assbot;Video: Journalist Murdered? - WhoWhatWhy ... ( http://bit.ly/16r6Vta )
1007354;1423105651;asciilifeform;^ article picked more or less at random
1007355;1423105669;mircea_popescu;if the question can be asked, it's not in your camp.
1007356;1423105698;mircea_popescu;no dude. send your aide de camp to drag a naked victim behind his horse all the way to your gate and nail them there.
1007357;1423105700;mircea_popescu;that's what i mean.
1007358;1423105720;mircea_popescu;not bs cockless "oh, maybe they spiked his car, maybe they cut his glass stool and he spilled wine on his good tie'
1007359;1423105731;asciilifeform;and general has this prerogative today where? in zimbabwe?
1007360;1423105774;asciilifeform;possibly gaddafi was the last.
1007361;1423105793;asciilifeform;or at least, last until sanity comes back to the planet.
1007362;1423105801;mircea_popescu;i do not care where.
1007363;1423105805;mircea_popescu;without it, the pay is not good enough.
1007364;1423105812;decimation;even he gave up that prerogative in exchange for friendship with usg, that turned out to not serve him very well
1007365;1423105870;asciilifeform;the pay is not good enough << can't disagree
1007366;1423105925;asciilifeform;imagine having to put up with the company of the whole muppet pyramid.
1007367;1423105930;asciilifeform;above and below.
1007368;1423105940;mircea_popescu; let amanda hess go conquer baghdad the 50th time
1007369;1423105959;mircea_popescu;i'll be sure to tweet criticisms of her accessories as she does it.
1007370;1423106006;asciilifeform;in other news,
1007371;1423106009;asciilifeform;277777.
1007372;1423106111;decimation;re: muppet pyramid: actually gen. stanley mccrystal (whom michael hastings interviewed) pretty much 'gave up' because of the muppet pyramid above
1007373;1423106128;mircea_popescu;yeah well... it's always wise to give up on libertardism when one is 20
1007374;1423106140;mircea_popescu;rather than 50, with 30 years worthless except for that camp's whims.
1007375;1423106163;decimation;hey he went to afghanistan and annoyed some pederasts
1007376;1423106168;mircea_popescu;completely unrelated, "Poe's outlook is at best a wild romanticism and at worst is not far from being insane in the literal clinical sense. Why is it, then that stories like The Black Cat, The Tell-tale Heart, The Fall of the House of Usher and so forth, which might very nearly have been written by a lunatic, do not convey a feeling of falsity?"
1007377;1423106171;mircea_popescu;not a bad question.
1007378;1423106181;asciilifeform;afaik, the generals (and bulk of the war machine) aren't into liberasty as such. they're 'only following orders' (TM)
1007379;1423106187;asciilifeform;i.e. 'it's a job'
1007380;1423106194;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform and how much must your enemy pay you for you to love him ?
1007381;1423106220;decimation;asciilifeform: more than likely they were promoted because they looked especially good with their hand on the captain's wheel
1007382;1423106270;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: do not convey a feeling of falsity << ahahaha. i'm nearing the end of what must be my 5th rereading of mr o's complete output.
1007383;1423106285;mircea_popescu;such patience.
1007384;1423106287;coderwill;do you all things will be more or less the same they are now, geopolitically in the next 5 years, or do you all think they will change drastically?
1007385;1423106300;coderwill;think things*
1007386;1423106306;mircea_popescu;seems dubious the us still has five years left in it.
1007387;1423106307;mircea_popescu;perhaps.
1007388;1423106309;mircea_popescu;the eu, idem.
1007389;1423106313;asciilifeform;coderwill: why do you ask ?
1007390;1423106338;coderwill;asciilifeform: i stopped reading the news because it is so negative
1007391;1423106346;mircea_popescu;he hibernates five years at a time and would like to know if to drink some coffee.
1007392;1423106500;coderwill;i used to worry a lot about what was going to happen in the world, but the things that are happening make no sense
1007393;1423106519;decimation;http://www.wired.com/2015/02/fcc-chairman-wheeler-net-neutrality/ << lol "The phone network’s openness did not happen by accident, but by FCC rule. How we precisely deliver that kind of openness for America’s broadband networks has been the subject of a debate over the last several months. "
1007394;1423106521;assbot;FCC Chairman Tom Wheeler: This Is How We Will Ensure Net Neutrality | WIRED ... ( http://bit.ly/1LOjkYW )
1007395;1423106528;mircea_popescu;coderwill as chance would have it, im reading a bit of orwell discussing exactly the same.
1007396;1423106563;coderwill;mircea_popescu: interesting - i'm not sure if it will be similar to orwell, but i just bought a book this afternoon called "the third policeman"
1007397;1423106572;asciilifeform;'It is as though in the space of ten years we had slid back into the Stone Age. Human types supposedly extinct for centuries, the dancing dervish, the robber chieftain, the Grand Inquisitor, have suddenly reappeared, not as inmates of lunatic asylums, but as the masters of the world.'
1007398;1423106575;mircea_popescu;http://gutenberg.net.au/ebooks03/0300011h.html#part12 chapter iii if you feel like it.
1007399;1423106577;assbot;Fifty Orwell Essays ... ( http://bit.ly/1LOjsYw )
1007400;1423106577;asciilifeform;('notes on the way')
1007401;1423106588;coderwill;cool thanks for the link
1007402;1423106600;mircea_popescu;extinct eh ?
1007403;1423106613;asciilifeform;supposedly-extinct.
1007404;1423106642;asciilifeform;^ was really mr o's puzzlement at the failure of own mental model, rather than statement of fact
1007405;1423106656;mircea_popescu;"While I have been writing this essay another European war has broken out. It will either last several years and tear Western civilization to pieces, or it will end inconclusively and prepare the way for yet another war which will do the job once and for all."
1007406;1423106666;mircea_popescu;pretty excellent seeing how it's ww2 he's talking about.
1007407;1423106751;coderwill;mircea_popescu: it's really interesting that his sentiment was that it is either going to be this one or the next one that does us all in
1007408;1423106774;lobbes;mircea_popescu: seems dubious the us still has five years left in it. << would you not agree that it is already dead? A decomposing body still sticks around for some time. Where is the line of 'no longer left'?
1007409;1423106819;mircea_popescu;lobbes well i can agree wiht that, but apparently he doesn't, so when talking to him i'll pretend like perhaps it hasn't.
1007410;1423106935;decimation;http://www.econtalk.org/archives/2013/02/glenn_reynolds.html << "The parts he likes makes sense and the others are crazy; what do you do? Here's the problem with public officials--because that's really his audience--deciding to ignore the Constitution. If you are the President, if you are a member of Congress, if you are a TSA agent, the only reason why somebody should listen to what you say instead of horse-whipping you out of town
1007411;1423106936;assbot;" + soundfiledesc + " ... ( http://bit.ly/16rc58y )
1007412;1423106936;decimation;for your impertinence is because you exercise power via the Constitution. If the Constitution doesn't count, you don't have any legitimate power. You are a thief, a brigand, an officiant busybody, somebody who should be tarred and feathered and run out of town on a rail for trying to exercise power you don't possess. So, if you are going to--if we are going to start ignoring the Constitution, I'm fine with that; the first part I'm
1007413;1423106937;decimation;going to start ignoring is I have to do whatever they say."
1007414;1423106986;asciilifeform;decimation: in practice they 'sit on the bayonets'
1007415;1423106993;asciilifeform;not a piece of parchment.
1007416;1423107008;asciilifeform;as the 'sovereign citizen' crackpots reliably discover
1007417;1423107016;mircea_popescu;decimation quite exactly the trunk that my earlier "half a milion people shoot half a million cops".
1007418;1423107029;mircea_popescu;no constitution ? then quo warranto ? bang-bang.
1007419;1423107031;asciilifeform;(the folks who like to walk into a court waving a copy of american constitution)
1007420;1423107038;decimation;well that crazy guy in pennsylvania tried that, didn't get very far
1007421;1423107045;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform so then shoot them.,
1007422;1423107050;mircea_popescu;the only reasonable answer in that context.
1007423;1423107080;decimation;!up Vexual
1007424;1423107144;coderwill;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Olduvai_theory
1007425;1423107146;assbot;Olduvai theory - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ... ( http://bit.ly/16rd1de )
1007426;1423107159;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: a little more complicated than this. just like quite a few folks who have never drawn a proper 'federal' paycheque are really members of usg, quite a few folks (tens of millions) in usa are in fact 'policemen' though they do not know it
1007427;1423107161;coderwill;A few years ago I read a white paper about this thing called the Olduvai Theory.
1007428;1423107180;BingoBoingo;http://www.slate.com/blogs/xx_factor/2015/02/04/angela_ames_sex_discrimination_case_breast_feeding_mom_loses_because_men.html
1007429;1423107182;assbot;Angela Ames sex discrimination case: Breast-feeding mom loses because men can lactate too. ... ( http://bit.ly/16rda0b )
1007430;1423107187;asciilifeform;for instance, the petty criminals who are nurtured and catch-and-released to terrorize the white suburbanites
1007431;1423107196;asciilifeform;(to keep real estate bezzle heated up)
1007432;1423107236;mircea_popescu;i have my doubts about that theory.
1007433;1423107238;coderwill;Essentially, it states that due to population growth and the rate of consumption, and that at some point in the future it will be mathematically implausible for the world to meet the consumption demand.
1007434;1423107249;mircea_popescu;coderwill what demand ?
1007435;1423107251;asciilifeform;you'd need an old-fashioned, 1918-style multi-sided (5+) civil war to turn usa into something thermodynamically stable
1007436;1423107273;coderwill;Food, fresh water, energy
1007437;1423107318;mircea_popescu;people seem manifestly capable of living without food.
1007438;1423107343;coderwill;mircea_popescu: yes, but collectively it ends in geopolitical turmoil, it seems
1007439;1423107363;PeterL;coderwill: that assumes constant population growth
1007440;1423107385;mircea_popescu;anyway, scanning that page it seems that a) it's more of the usual american retardation, ala http://trilema.com/2014/anonymous-derpage/ as it simply rebrands a collection of old shit
1007441;1423107385;assbot;Anonymous derpage pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.  ... ( http://bit.ly/16re3pG )
1007442;1423107400;mircea_popescu;and b) wtf 2bn. i don't want to consider a 2bn end scenario. what's wrong with 10 million ?
1007443;1423107435;mircea_popescu;i've not even met one million people yet i'd ever wish to meet again, wtf billions.
1007444;1423107454;coderwill;well, hopefully no one will get hurt anywhere, it's awful the state of the world
1007445;1423107470;coderwill;not many people trying to help one another, more so many serving their own interests despite one another
1007446;1423107486;coderwill;hence why i stopped reading the news
1007447;1423107550;mircea_popescu;hopefully no one will get hurt ?!
1007448;1423107551;coderwill;the mass media pushes a divisive agenda, whatever causes the most polarization makes the most profit
1007449;1423107559;mircea_popescu;no baby, hopefully everyone will get hurt
1007450;1423107567;mircea_popescu;and to such a degree they kill their children with their own hands, at that.
1007451;1423107584;coderwill;?
1007452;1423107597;mircea_popescu;!
1007453;1423107613;mircea_popescu;check us out, brincusi discussing things with hegel.
1007454;1423107672;asciilifeform;here, let me help:
1007455;1423107673;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=04-01-2015#964345
1007456;1423107673;assbot;Logged on 04-01-2015 01:02:05; mircea_popescu: apparently kids crying are annoying in general, but for that month it takes them to die of hunger...
1007457;1423107710;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 62250 @ 0.00037661 = 23.444 BTC [-] {2} 
1007458;1423107728;mircea_popescu;ten million is plenty.
1007459;1423107832;asciilifeform;that'd be roughly... 3000 b.c. ?
1007460;1423108019;mircea_popescu;something like that. reroll homer.
1007461;1423108063;asciilifeform;while we're at it, i'd like there to be a maximum of six mosquitoes.
1007462;1423108103;asciilifeform;!s tolerate bugs
1007463;1423108104;assbot;3 results for 'tolerate bugs' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=tolerate+bugs
1007464;1423108114;lobbes;coderwill: there will always be turmoil. The best thing you can do is look out for your own interests.
1007465;1423108120;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-04-2014#650478
1007466;1423108120;assbot;Logged on 29-04-2014 22:56:06; asciilifeform: 'Dijkstra said angrily. (He�d been visibly shaking his head through out the talk even before this outburst.) �How many bugs are we going to tolerate?� he demanded. �Seven,� Teitelman shot back.'
1007467;1423108174;lobbes;asciilifeform: can we apply that to wasps, for that matter?
1007468;1423108193;asciilifeform;etc.
1007469;1423108286;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: atrocious OCR! 'They hand us now in Shrewsbury jail' << hang.
1007470;1423108295;*;asciilifeform has the dead tree, or would've been a bit puzzled
1007471;1423108311;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform Uke Miller was a pretty good one too
1007472;1423108316;*;asciilifeform wonders what else crept in
1007473;1423108324;mircea_popescu;tons. most are -> arc
1007474;1423108394;asciilifeform;incidentally, the biggest downer of 'djvu' wavelet compressor is that it... actually introduces typos like this (!)
1007475;1423108417;asciilifeform;a 'c' is quite similar to an 'e' after all, esp. if the press was running a little hot that day
1007476;1423108422;asciilifeform;hence - compressed.
1007477;1423108433;asciilifeform;(introduces into images!)
1007478;1423108438;PeterL;I have a couple of ebooks with typos like that
1007479;1423108446;asciilifeform;PeterL: that'd be bad ocr
1007480;1423108465;asciilifeform;i'm speaking of the reverse, something which no engl. speaker has likely ever seen
1007481;1423108500;PeterL;EG game of thrones, I still don't know if the character's name is Jojen or joien, since it shows up with about equal amounts of each spelling?
1007482;1423108547;mircea_popescu;yup
1007483;1423108553;asciilifeform;PeterL: the former
1007484;1423108578;mircea_popescu;you actually read that thing ?
1007485;1423108584;asciilifeform;tried to, once.
1007486;1423108592;PeterL;I thought it was great
1007487;1423108597;mircea_popescu;o really ?
1007488;1423108612;PeterL;it seems like something you would like?
1007489;1423108626;mircea_popescu;im too snobbish even for sf
1007490;1423108633;asciilifeform;atrociously written thing
1007491;1423108643;asciilifeform;but, oddly enough, tolerable film.
1007492;1423108647;PeterL;in the way of people do what they want and rape each other and kill anybody in their way, etc
1007493;1423108651;asciilifeform;quite the opposite of the usual way around
1007494;1423108718;asciilifeform;!up Vexual
1007495;1423108732;Vexual;black sails is back
1007496;1423108755;Vexual;'hoes and money and violence an polotx
1007497;1423108890;Vexual;i guess it's gonna try explain the battle for control of nassau
1007498;1423109184;phillipsjk;mircea_popescu, cooperation is common in nature. Even without submission/domination. Examples include Geese taking turns leading migrations, alarm signals (sometimes seen as altruistic), herd/school protection.
1007499;1423109232;phillipsjk;What is rare/non-existent is altruism, which is what I assume you meant here: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=04-02-2015#1006655
1007500;1423109232;assbot;Logged on 04-02-2015 19:39:56; mircea_popescu: submission is cooperation, just, functional. the sort of cooperation you have in mind is simply not found in nature is all.
1007501;1423109244;mircea_popescu;which of these examples is "without submission/domination" ?
1007502;1423109324;phillipsjk;Did you understand the examples?
1007503;1423109345;mircea_popescu;that's not a question that can be answered.
1007504;1423109421;mircea_popescu;but it would seem to me that even should i decide to take turns with the woman as to who's on top, this does not automatically preclude us from enjoying a D/s relationship.
1007505;1423109425;phillipsjk;Well, with the goose example, the lead bird has to work extra hard to fly through the air. By taking turns, the "leader" does not have to drope dead half-way.
1007506;1423109436;mircea_popescu;tho perhaps some observer may think he understood the example better than the geese
1007507;1423109450;mircea_popescu;sure.
1007508;1423109541;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 169450 @ 0.00038236 = 64.7909 BTC [+] {2} 
1007509;1423109583;mircea_popescu;and to complete your headspin : there is no altruism, either ever seen or in principle possible, outside of a domination/submission relationship.
1007510;1423109591;mircea_popescu;by its very definition, no less. to give, someone has to take.
1007511;1423109636;phillipsjk;You seem to be claiming that hierarchy always forms in groups of animals. Therefore, any non-hierarchical behavior noted just reflects the observer's bias.
1007512;1423109641;mircea_popescu;whosoever takes will take in the manner that it is given, and there you have your submission.
1007513;1423109647;trinque;phillipsjk: have you ever seen geese up close?
1007514;1423109657;trinque;they fight each other and establish dominance ongoingly
1007515;1423109660;mircea_popescu;phillipsjk quite.
1007516;1423109676;mircea_popescu;trinque actually they'll fight you, too. more than one woman got scared shitless of flocks of geese
1007517;1423109684;BingoBoingo;!b 8
1007518;1423109685;assbot;Last 8 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/3EPHQGT.txt )
1007519;1423109685;trinque;yup
1007520;1423109690;mircea_popescu;somehow they think women are also geese.
1007521;1423109702;asciilifeform;geese are pestilentially common here.
1007522;1423109705;mircea_popescu;will try to get them in line,  and whatnot.
1007523;1423109724;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform throughout eastern canada too, or at least were.
1007524;1423109741;decimation;I saw a goose trying to cross an interstate once; it caused a feather explosion
1007525;1423109756;asciilifeform;they like to cross roads, slowly, single file, and - given their lengthy 'runway' - one might imagine that they would occasionally get flattened. but i have yet to see this.
1007526;1423109824;decimation;they are actually a fairly significant object to hit at high speed
1007527;1423109852;asciilifeform;decimation: as per the famous 'frozen turkey test' at airplane factories.
1007528;1423109857;mircea_popescu;can be a decent 20-30kgs sure.
1007529;1423109896;phillipsjk;Um It is my understanding that the turkey is supposed to be thawed for the test.
1007530;1423109938;asciilifeform;thawed << would make sense
1007531;1423109970;mircea_popescu;well it's engineering... if they test with it still frozen
1007532;1423109976;mircea_popescu;stronger airplane.
1007533;1423110018;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: 'тяжело в учении легко в бою'
1007534;1423110031;asciilifeform;(bonus: throw that in 'google images')
1007535;1423110035;ben_vulpes;mircea_popescu: .bait
1007536;1423110038;mircea_popescu;yup
1007537;1423110049;ben_vulpes;(sil vous plait)
1007538;1423110055;mircea_popescu;lol i got nuttin
1007539;1423110058;decimation;re: stronger airplane << can be a problem - what if you want the engine to shut down?
1007540;1423110077;mircea_popescu;http://demotivators.to/media/posters/726/5720776_tyazhelo-v-uchenii-legko-v-boyu.jpg << here, stan's.
1007541;1423110079;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1I5AMJ0 )
1007542;1423110080;asciilifeform;http://demotivators.to/media/posters/726/5720776_tyazhelo-v-uchenii-legko-v-boyu.jpg
1007543;1423110080;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1I5AMZr )
1007544;1423110082;asciilifeform;lol!
1007545;1423110086;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu 'inb4'
1007546;1423110107;asciilifeform;http://anekdotov.net/pic/photo6/0744110i.jpg
1007547;1423110108;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1I5ATV0 )
1007548;1423110125;mircea_popescu;anekdotov sounds like a great name
1007549;1423110130;mircea_popescu;i'd make him ambassador to the us.
1007550;1423110153;asciilifeform;approx. translation for n00bs - 'the more you sweat in training, the less you bleed in war.'
1007551;1423110166;mircea_popescu;"train hard - fight easy"
1007552;1423110171;asciilifeform;aha.
1007553;1423110185;mircea_popescu;im a great believer in the principle myself.
1007554;1423110191;mircea_popescu;all the way to making the girls do the cucumbers.
1007555;1423110301;phillipsjk;source of my last comment: http://www.snopes.com/science/cannon.asp
1007556;1423110302;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1I5BOol )
1007557;1423110398;mircea_popescu;there's a lot of lulz on that topic.
1007558;1423110400;Vexual;thfe
1007559;1423110411;coderwill;altruism in nature: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zWH_9VRWn8Y
1007560;1423110412;assbot;Penguin, Depressed... Werner Herzog - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1I5CqdG )
1007561;1423110412;mircea_popescu;like the us borrowed a uk gun, and then trying to understand why the damage was so bad asked the english
1007562;1423110418;mircea_popescu;who told them to thaw the chickens
1007563;1423110420;mircea_popescu;etc etc
1007564;1423110441;Vexual;push dont pull
1007565;1423110448;mircea_popescu;that looks like a dude. scam.
1007566;1423110458;Vexual;ts not even a thing
1007567;1423110509;Vexual;flocculant
1007568;1423110520;asciilifeform;'what color is is? Just bought a plane and would like to know whats in it.'
1007569;1423110525;asciilifeform;-- from an 'amazon' review.
1007570;1423110548;Vexual;lol
1007571;1423110570;BingoBoingo;!up diatonic
1007572;1423110639;phillipsjk;mircea_popescu, you called it :"The way the Air Force had it figured, if a canopy could survive an impact with a frozen bird, it would certainly live through a chance introduction to one that could still fly under its own power. They further believed cold chickens provided a better simulation of a bird that had tensed to prepare for the impact. "
1007573;1423110687;mircea_popescu;lucky guess.
1007574;1423110804;mircea_popescu;in any case : so called "altruistic" behaviour as perceived by humans in animals is nonsense of a prime order even afore all these discussions. soemthing in the line discussed in http://trilema.com/2015/peripateticists-kinda-except-girls-not-boys-bare-cunt-instead-of-toga-and-walking-around-the-house-not-the-garden-but-otherwise-exactly-the-same/
1007575;1423110805;assbot;Peripateticists, kinda, except girls not boys, bare cunt instead of toga and walking around the house not the garden, but otherwise exactly the same. pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.  ... ( http://bit.ly/1I5E92I )
1007576;1423110828;mircea_popescu;"You're thinking of animals based not on interaction with animals, but on interactions with human depictions of animals. Such as animals drawn by a person in a book, "animal" cartoon characters made to resemble people, people in animal plush costumes and so forth. All of this creates in you the false but deep seated impression that animals are residually a sort of people. This is not true. Animals are not at all a sort
1007577;1423110828;mircea_popescu; of people with different characteristics. Animals are animals. It's a thing into itself, not some anthropomorphized cuteness. Fundamentally, we could present the problem in saying that you're a furry."
1007578;1423110841;BingoBoingo;scoopbot: -fetch
1007579;1423110865;asciilifeform;why not obsess over 'altruism' of cells in a multicellular organism ?
1007580;1423110874;asciilifeform;wtf is the thread even about
1007581;1423110894;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform basically, this thread is about new guy trying to make sense of the batshit insane that is b-a.
1007582;1423110905;asciilifeform;lol
1007583;1423110921;mircea_popescu;can't say i dislike his approach.
1007584;1423110933;decimation;what about the 'altruism' of mitocondria?
1007585;1423110936;BingoBoingo;http://qntra.net/2015/02/muckrock-dea-documents-show-parallel-construction-widely-used/
1007586;1423110936;assbot;MuckRock: DEA Documents Show Parallel Construction Widely Used | Qntra.net ... ( http://bit.ly/1I5EEK1 )
1007587;1423110947;mircea_popescu;decimation but it's being held captive ?
1007588;1423110961;decimation;it likes to submit to its betters
1007589;1423110970;mircea_popescu;well... biggers, at any case.
1007590;1423111008;trinque;almost done rsyncing my wad o blocks to the server; when I come back in a bit imma publish the first bundle
1007591;1423111010;adlai;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=05-02-2015#1007275 << https://github.com/adlai/scalpl
1007592;1423111010;assbot;Logged on 05-02-2015 02:44:25; coderwill: anyone working on any new projects?
1007593;1423111012;assbot;adlai/scalpl · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1I5EX7I )
1007594;1423111026;trinque;might've taken a while but the end result isn't a piece of shit
1007595;1423111036;mircea_popescu;cool.
1007596;1423111082;BingoBoingo;<decimation> what about the 'altruism' of mitocondria? << It's not altruistic. It is lazy and wants to be fed with minimum effort.
1007597;1423111124;decimation;re: python < so I was comparing guido von rossum and linus torvalds today, found a good quote on hacker news https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=8772325
1007598;1423111125;assbot;GvR fading away would help but not cure the problem he started, i.e Python desig... | Hacker News ... ( http://bit.ly/1I5FmHh )
1007599;1423111139;asciilifeform;re: qntra article 'parallel construction' >> http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=26-07-2014#770468
1007600;1423111139;assbot;Logged on 26-07-2014 18:48:15; asciilifeform: this is why i simply don't get people who continue to think of their relationship with the u.s. court system in legal, rather than military, terms.
1007601;1423111148;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo no, it just wants to go on doing what it's best at!
1007602;1423111153;mircea_popescu;pure us capitalims i tell ya
1007603;1423111169;decimation;comparing guido and linus, one finds guido did all the wrong moves
1007604;1423111204;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: Hence the PNGs of the pages and the hashes.
1007605;1423111216;decimation;whatever life python has left is primarily driven by usg academic types
1007606;1423111228;decimation;who use it as a license-free matlab (numpy)
1007607;1423111232;mircea_popescu;decimation except ruby came to peak and then withered before python managed to get a new major version out :D
1007608;1423111243;asciilifeform;decimation: python is widely used as a less-carcinogenic substitute for perl
1007609;1423111247;mircea_popescu;^
1007610;1423111250;decimation;guido has managed to completely ignore this set in exchange for creating some random dangly bits that no one cares about
1007611;1423111255;*;asciilifeform uses it in that and only that capacity
1007612;1423111258;mircea_popescu;i actually use it on occasion, when bash is gnarly.
1007613;1423111271;asciilifeform;aha. exactly this
1007614;1423111288;decimation;guido could have delivered a better 'non-perl' instead of derping with stupid shit
1007615;1423111291;BingoBoingo;substitute for perl, substitute for matlab, and all of this on version 2. Version 3 is a hostile hardfork.
1007616;1423111306;mircea_popescu;decimation other people's could haves you know...
1007617;1423111330;decimation;BingoBoingo: yeah that's precisely my point
1007618;1423111342;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo that was the lulziest thing ever. "we'll break with 2.x but still have 1.x issues"
1007619;1423111368;BingoBoingo;I guess even the scientific stuff though is just acaderps prefering python to perl
1007620;1423111370;decimation;all the 'web developers' have already moved on to node.js or whatever crazy shit of the day
1007621;1423111384;decimation;so guido has no audience other than the one that he is trying hard to ignore
1007622;1423111457;BingoBoingo;He doesn't really have an audience anyway. Python 2.x is fine
1007623;1423111481;mircea_popescu;yeah, what IS the web crowd doing these days ?
1007624;1423111482;BingoBoingo;Well, fine for being a perl substitute
1007625;1423111487;mircea_popescu;i think node.js was like 2011
1007626;1423111508;decimation;I donno, they are probably selling each other software as a service as a service
1007627;1423111512;BingoBoingo;It's still node.js and iterations on that theme.
1007628;1423111519;BingoBoingo;!s ryanxcharles
1007629;1423111520;assbot;24 results for 'ryanxcharles' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=ryanxcharles
1007630;1423111524;mircea_popescu;i think it's ripe for a revolution then
1007631;1423111529;mircea_popescu;it takes them ~3 y.
1007632;1423111680;mircea_popescu;actually julia sounds very interesting, have we discussed yet ?
1007633;1423111690;mircea_popescu;You can see the compiled assembly code for any just typed in function
1007634;1423111706;mircea_popescu;this would be the first compiler brave enough to expose itself to programmer scrutiny thus
1007635;1423111751;mircea_popescu;supposedly faster than c
1007636;1423111971;decimation;huh. interesting
1007637;1423111976;decimation;uses 1 based arrays though :(
1007638;1423112010;BingoBoingo;decimation: Julia is generally aimed in the direction of scientific computing crowd.
1007639;1423112012;mircea_popescu;ianae.
1007640;1423112062;decimation;1-based arrays are a matlabism, which got it from fortran
1007641;1423112069;mircea_popescu;so they are.
1007642;1423112088;mircea_popescu;still, this is like the first thing i've seen in nigh on 20 years making me almost feel like trying to code in it.
1007643;1423112225;*;adlai wonders whether mircea_popescu has heard of lisp
1007644;1423112247;mircea_popescu;!s lisp
1007645;1423112249;assbot;487 results for 'lisp' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=lisp
1007646;1423112254;mircea_popescu;perforce.
1007647;1423112254;adlai;:P
1007648;1423112306;adlai;specifically referring to things like http://www.sbcl.org/1.0/manual/Statistical-Profiler.html#Statistical-Profiler C-f 'disassembler'
1007649;1423112309;assbot;Statistical Profiler - SBCL 1.0 User Manual ... ( http://bit.ly/1I5LejL )
1007650;1423112323;mircea_popescu;im {un/}fortunate to be in this position where thje actual business end of my mental life can in no manner by done by machines. so lisp is entirely useless to me.
1007651;1423112330;adlai;!up Vexual
1007652;1423112335;mircea_popescu;the sorts of tediums i have machines do is generally seen as closest to c
1007653;1423112366;mircea_popescu;practically, closer to bash for that matter.
1007654;1423112440;mircea_popescu;adlai what about the profiler ?
1007655;1423112488;adlai;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=05-02-2015#1007633 + sampling data
1007656;1423112488;assbot;Logged on 05-02-2015 04:48:10; mircea_popescu: You can see the compiled assembly code for any just typed in function
1007657;1423112512;Vexual;all business
1007658;1423112540;mircea_popescu;well obviously profilers exist. just, people seem sorta shy to put the bytestream in your face so.
1007659;1423112657;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: adlai is correct, any decent modern commonlisp gives you asm/disasm
1007660;1423112668;asciilifeform;sbcl doesn't even -include- an interpreter.
1007661;1423112675;asciilifeform;(and doesn't need one)
1007662;1423112752;mircea_popescu;i never said otherwise!
1007663;1423112794;asciilifeform;* (disassemble '(lambda (x) (+ x 3)))
1007664;1423112794;asciilifeform;; disassembly for (LAMBDA (X))
1007665;1423112794;asciilifeform;; 059DF529:       488B55F8         MOV RDX, [RBP-8]           ; no-arg-parsing entry point
1007666;1423112794;asciilifeform;;       2D:       BF06000000       MOV EDI, 6
1007667;1423112794;asciilifeform;;       32:       4C8D1C25E0010020 LEA R11, [#x200001E0]      ; GENERIC-+
1007668;1423112795;asciilifeform;;       3A:       41FFD3           CALL R11
1007669;1423112797;asciilifeform;;       3D:       480F42E3         CMOVB RSP, RBX
1007670;1423112799;asciilifeform;;       41:       488BE5           MOV RSP, RBP
1007671;1423112801;asciilifeform;;       44:       F8               CLC
1007672;1423112801;Vexual;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MU6lQGbr_SU
1007673;1423112803;asciilifeform;;       45:       5D               POP RBP
1007674;1423112805;asciilifeform;;       46:       C3               RET
1007675;1423112807;asciilifeform;;       47:       CC0A             BREAK 10                   ; error trap
1007676;1423112809;asciilifeform;;       49:       02               BYTE #X02
1007677;1423112811;asciilifeform;;       4A:       18               BYTE #X18                  ; INVALID-ARG-COUNT-ERROR
1007678;1423112815;asciilifeform;;       4B:       54               BYTE #X54                  ; RCX
1007679;1423112817;asciilifeform;NIL
1007680;1423112819;asciilifeform;^ example
1007681;1423112821;asciilifeform;(amd64, for the very unalert reader)
1007682;1423112826;decimation;lol @ vexual
1007683;1423112834;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 112120 @ 0.00037463 = 42.0035 BTC [-] {2} 
1007684;1423112844;Vexual;such interjection
1007685;1423112867;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform that asm code breaks on https << unknown instruction
1007686;1423112891;asciilifeform;lol!
1007687;1423112907;asciilifeform;Vexual wins again.
1007688;1423112931;mircea_popescu;incidentally this is a shitty asm!
1007689;1423113009;asciilifeform;* (defun foo (x) (declare (fixnum x)) (declare (optimize (speed 3) (safety 0))) (+ x 3))
1007690;1423113009;asciilifeform;FOO
1007691;1423113009;asciilifeform;* (disassemble 'foo)
1007692;1423113009;asciilifeform;; disassembly for FOO
1007693;1423113009;asciilifeform;; 059E2CC2:       488D4203         LEA RAX, [RDX+3]           ; no-arg-parsing entry point
1007694;1423113010;asciilifeform;;       C6:       486BD002         IMUL RDX, RAX, 2
1007695;1423113012;asciilifeform;;       CA:       710E             JNO L0
1007696;1423113014;asciilifeform;;       CC:       488BD0           MOV RDX, RAX
1007697;1423113016;asciilifeform;;       CF:       4C8D1C25D0050020 LEA R11, [#x200005D0]      ; ALLOC-SIGNED-BIGNUM-IN-RDX
1007698;1423113018;asciilifeform;;       D7:       41FFD3           CALL R11
1007699;1423113020;asciilifeform;;       DA: L0:   488BE5           MOV RSP, RBP
1007700;1423113021;asciilifeform;;       DD:       F8               CLC
1007701;1423113026;asciilifeform;;       DE:       5D               POP RBP
1007702;1423113028;asciilifeform;;       DF:       C3               RET
1007703;1423113030;asciilifeform;NIL
1007704;1423113032;asciilifeform;^ here we've pulled the safety out.
1007705;1423113043;ben_vulpes;groovy jams Vexual
1007706;1423113053;asciilifeform;this gives us around 80-95% of 'c' speed
1007707;1423113058;asciilifeform;(in typical case)
1007708;1423113132;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: 1) it's a disasm 2) you won't see what you're almost certainly expecting to see (add rax, 3...) , because lispy memory architecture is still in use
1007709;1423113135;mircea_popescu;moar like the evil one's used to
1007710;1423113200;asciilifeform;i won't say this is the world's best illustration, but it took no more than half a minute to generate.
1007711;1423113225;asciilifeform;perhaps adlai would care to offer a neater one.
1007712;1423113254;Vexual;thanks ben_vulpes
1007713;1423113298;ben_vulpes;!gettrust assbot Vexual
1007714;1423113298;assbot;Vexual is not registered in WoT.
1007715;1423113304;ben_vulpes;;;gettrust assbot Vexual
1007716;1423113305;gribble;WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user assbot to user Vexual: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=assbot&dest=Vexual | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=Vexual | Rated since: never
1007717;1423113321;Vexual;fuck off cnt
1007718;1423113322;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 69580 @ 0.0003735 = 25.9881 BTC [-]
1007719;1423113322;ben_vulpes;first citizen of -assets
1007720;1423113334;ben_vulpes;up yours, buddhi
1007721;1423113359;decimation;I am retiring gentlemen, have a good evening
1007722;1423113362;decimation;!down decimation
1007723;1423113380;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform the original point wasn't that there don't exist profilers, but that it's rare for a language to put the bytecode in the programmer's face, and especially for a new and (at least in my perception) hip one.
1007724;1423113398;mircea_popescu;you'd normally expect the opposite
1007725;1423113405;asciilifeform;lol, 'java' barfed bytecode routinely (on debug)
1007726;1423113416;asciilifeform;!up gabriel_laddel
1007727;1423113416;mircea_popescu;wasn't this improved out of it ?
1007728;1423113419;gabriel_laddel;ty
1007729;1423113423;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: was
1007730;1423113428;mircea_popescu;kinda my point.
1007731;1423113476;ben_vulpes;good evening gabriel_laddel!
1007732;1423113484;gabriel_laddel;regarding the preceding discussion on asm, common lisp vs. julia vs. C, the book Let over Lambda is quite good and discusses these and related issues in-depth.
1007733;1423113486;mircea_popescu;an' tbh it wasn't much more than a passing remark anyway, so we've made more of it than its frail back can carry
1007734;1423113502;*;asciilifeform read 'let over lambda', was not terribly thrilled
1007735;1423113508;gabriel_laddel;ben_vulpes: Hello. How is life treating you?
1007736;1423113542;asciilifeform;that book had possibly the spammiest jacket, for reasonably sane subject matter, of any crackpot self-pub work ever printed.
1007737;1423113549;*;asciilifeform blows dust off LOL
1007738;1423113580;asciilifeform;'only the top percentile of programmers... if you can understand this book, you are in the top...'
1007739;1423113605;gabriel_laddel;asciilifeform: lol. The idea of a closure doesn't need to be stretched out across several chapters, but e.g., the cl-ppcre chapter is good for the non-lisper to read.
1007740;1423113614;ben_vulpes;gabriel_laddel: i yet yearn for the day i dual boot os x and a lispy gentoo
1007741;1423113629;gabriel_laddel;ben_vulpes: I'm currently counting lines of algol and fixing up the dashboard
1007742;1423113634;adlai;http://paste.lisp.org/+34DL
1007743;1423113635;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1I5SQTm )
1007744;1423113636;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: sbcl runs entirely without problem on mac os
1007745;1423113660;*;ben_vulpes resists temptation to troll alf
1007746;1423113666;ben_vulpes;i know, i know.
1007747;1423113686;gabriel_laddel;ben_vulpes:  can you run gentoo on your macbook?
1007748;1423113687;ben_vulpes;but that which gabriel_laddel described was a damned siren song for a boy who grew up on os x.
1007749;1423113688;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 176250 @ 0.00038187 = 67.3046 BTC [+] {3} 
1007750;1423113688;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: laugh, but that's actually what i used mine for
1007751;1423113697;*;asciilifeform blows dust off 'macbook air'
1007752;1423113724;Vexual;powerpc?
1007753;1423113726;ben_vulpes;gabriel_laddel: for a gentoo like what you describe, i'd go through the headaches of dual booting.
1007754;1423113739;ben_vulpes;asciilifeform: why not sbcl on gentoo?
1007755;1423113762;asciilifeform;on strange iron?
1007756;1423113780;ben_vulpes;forgive me, but is it all not strange?
1007757;1423113803;ben_vulpes;i'm entirely naive to quirks of the underlying chips.
1007758;1423113812;asciilifeform;anyone even has suspend-to-ram working on linux-on-apple ?
1007759;1423113819;asciilifeform;gpu?
1007760;1423113839;asciilifeform;the demented 'broadcom' wireless nics?
1007761;1423113845;ben_vulpes;asciilifeform: okay okay!
1007762;1423113847;Vexual;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kOLJx0qoiNs
1007763;1423113855;ben_vulpes;what do you mean by "strange iron", though?
1007764;1423113859;asciilifeform;actually for all i know, they might
1007765;1423113868;asciilifeform;it was long ago that i last tried.
1007766;1423113885;asciilifeform;strange iron being, say, that very same 'air' (circa '09)
1007767;1423113903;asciilifeform;as in 'that which few have gentood before'
1007768;1423113908;Vexual;yah mean safari?
1007769;1423113917;ben_vulpes;is the point to run sbcl on "strange iron"?
1007770;1423113943;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: i somehow got the impression that you were considering gentoo-on-applehw
1007771;1423113953;gabriel_laddel;that is what he's considering.
1007772;1423113957;ben_vulpes;myeah, but i think i missed a leap in your reasoning.
1007773;1423113979;Vexual;do tell
1007774;1423113988;asciilifeform;describing the gotchas from the last time i personally tried this.
1007775;1423113993;ben_vulpes;ah.
1007776;1423113995;asciilifeform;not necessarily current.
1007777;1423114030;ben_vulpes;<asciilifeform> ben_vulpes: sbcl runs entirely without problem on mac os << so as to say "why bother with gentoo?"?
1007778;1423114065;asciilifeform;in case ben_vulpes wants to play with it on one of his existing stock macs
1007779;1423114114;ben_vulpes;i'm using sbcl for stump, now that we mention it
1007780;1423114120;mod6;ok all, not getting much of anywhere with debugging.
1007781;1423114121;asciilifeform;on what?
1007782;1423114131;asciilifeform;(stump on mac?!?)
1007783;1423114143;ben_vulpes;asciilifeform: :D
1007784;1423114165;asciilifeform;lol!
1007785;1423114170;asciilifeform;this actually works as expected ?
1007786;1423114172;ben_vulpes;why so amuse?
1007787;1423114175;ben_vulpes;well
1007788;1423114178;ben_vulpes;"as expected"
1007789;1423114181;asciilifeform;or only within a running x11
1007790;1423114182;ben_vulpes;!up Vexual
1007791;1423114197;ben_vulpes;mas tracks sil vous plait Vexual
1007792;1423114205;Vexual;oui
1007793;1423114209;ben_vulpes;asciilifeform: only within x11
1007794;1423114215;Vexual;yah long bit
1007795;1423114219;asciilifeform;ah then
1007796;1423114223;*;asciilifeform was about to be surprised
1007797;1423114224;mod6;i've basically run and break when nBestHeight=167999 and then go from there, but not turning anything meaningful up yet.  however, i'm sure i'm not sure how to dig into these vectors properly yet.
1007798;1423114227;ben_vulpes;why would one bother with the native cruftery?
1007799;1423114276;mod6;i'll carry on tomorrow. im like X_X at this point.
1007800;1423114306;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: i can't help but wonder how many folks carry around 'mac' as just a unix box with a very peculiar set of window decorations
1007801;1423114315;mircea_popescu;here asciilifeform : "I never read the proclamations of generals before battle, the speeches of F�hrers and prime ministers, the solidarity songs of public schools and left-wing political parties, national anthems, Temperance tracts, papal encyclicals and sermons against gambling and contraception, without seeming to hear in the background a chorus of raspberries from all the millions of common men to whom these high
1007802;1423114315;mircea_popescu;sentiments make no appeal. Nevertheless the high sentiments always win in the end, leaders who offer blood, toil, tears and sweat always get more out of their followers than those who offer safety and a good time. When it comes to the pinch, human beings are heroic. Women face childbed and the scrubbing brush, revolutionaries keep their mouths shut in the torture chamber, battleships go down with their guns still firin
1007803;1423114316;mircea_popescu;g when their decks are awash. It is only that the other element in man, the lazy, cowardly, debt-bilking adulterer who is inside all of us, can never be suppressed altogether and needs a hearing occasionally."
1007804;1423114317;asciilifeform;guessing - quite a few
1007805;1423114324;mircea_popescu;a damned sight more optimistic than you, this pessimist
1007806;1423114354;ben_vulpes;asciilifeform: i did burn in excess of two days attempting to get either a firefox or chrome to connect to x under os x
1007807;1423114358;ben_vulpes;net result?
1007808;1423114360;ben_vulpes;total failure.
1007809;1423114369;Vexual;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kOLJx0qoiNs
1007810;1423114380;ben_vulpes;Vexual: stale.
1007811;1423114386;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes the idea with the native cruftery is, he found a reliable way to wedge the bitcoind at a certain heright which just so happens to be the checkpoint
1007812;1423114386;Vexual;penis you
1007813;1423114398;mircea_popescu;but no one else ever ehard of this, and so we wish to see his block
1007814;1423114399;ben_vulpes;asciilifeform: i'll have to compile it meself, apparently.
1007815;1423114401;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: i assume you built them for x11
1007816;1423114408;asciilifeform;or ^
1007817;1423114418;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: where did you get them?!
1007818;1423114419;ben_vulpes;mno, i am a nixy pleb
1007819;1423114428;Vexual;liar
1007820;1423114482;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: actually this very wedge (though differing tx id) has been documented in the past. see last night's log.
1007821;1423114492;ben_vulpes;while it must surprise everyone here, the fact that i am a process man who's only barely grasped the basics of *nix operation bears trotting out on a *regular* basis apparently
1007822;1423114496;mircea_popescu;well is it the same ?
1007823;1423114499;asciilifeform;but afaik no one posted a meaningful dumped block
1007824;1423114507;mircea_popescu;right.
1007825;1423114525;mod6;how can i do that?
1007826;1423114530;mod6;need guidence
1007827;1423114552;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: if you were trying to get $proggy built for apple's gui to draw on an x11 instance, i regret to inform you that this won't work...
1007828;1423114570;ben_vulpes;asciilifeform: your lessons come too late, sir!
1007829;1423114594;asciilifeform;http://geekotic.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/03/image37.png << these do work
1007830;1423114596;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1I5Xxg5 )
1007831;1423114600;ben_vulpes;instead, instruct me on the arcane art of dumping specific blocks from a bitcoind 0.5.3
1007832;1423114605;asciilifeform;http://www.fiftythree.org/etherkiller/img/idekiller.jpg << as do these
1007833;1423114606;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1I5XzVc )
1007834;1423114653;Vexual;053 becomes a thing
1007835;1423114672;mircea_popescu;if the worst comes to worst diff blk00x.dat pre and post
1007836;1423114678;asciilifeform;^
1007837;1423114686;mircea_popescu;also blkindex.dat
1007838;1423114706;ben_vulpes;tips on running for precisely a single block?
1007839;1423114733;mircea_popescu;there should also be a bdb based method but it probably would take longer to untangle
1007840;1423114762;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes have a logwatcher trigger  ? renice everyything ?
1007841;1423114783;mod6;during debugging, i did see something that mentioned "blk%04d.dat" when looking at the txout.scriptPubKey vector: http://dpaste.com/1E4QQ9A
1007842;1423114785;assbot;dpaste: 1E4QQ9A ... ( http://bit.ly/1I5Yp4d )
1007843;1423114791;mod6;think that's the one to check?
1007844;1423114842;mircea_popescu;mod6 they become full at 2gb
1007845;1423114848;mircea_popescu;whichever's not 2gb is the one you're working on
1007846;1423114849;mod6;(This was from inside where it does VerifySignature())
1007847;1423114871;mircea_popescu;anyway, that's all for me. nighty!
1007848;1423114941;mod6;looks like 'i've only got 1: blk0001.dat, 985Mb
1007849;1423114968;mod6;anyway, thanks guise.
1007850;1423115046;Vexual;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nGwGWJMM740
1007851;1423115056;ben_vulpes;pfff
1007852;1423115337;Vexual;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NvcdEx-kdSk so jazzy
1007853;1423115477;Vexual;stil drink peroni
1007854;1423115482;ben_vulpes;<mircea_popescu> chick's so drastically ugly tho... << pretty indicative of the tail to which us brass has access
1007855;1423115577;ben_vulpes;maaaaaas, Vexual
1007856;1423115579;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 50620 @ 0.0003758 = 19.023 BTC [-] {2} 
1007857;1423115670;Vexual;ja neber descibe
1007858;1423115898;cazalla;oh that argentine pres.. what a racist! http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/feb/04/argentinian-president-racist-joke-china-trip
1007859;1423115900;assbot;Argentina's president Cristina Kirchner attacked for 'racist' Chinese joke | World news | The Guardian ... ( http://bit.ly/1I63Ikf )
1007860;1423115913;punkman;I setup a 0.5.3.1 node yesterday, stuck on 168000 today
1007861;1423115940;ben_vulpes;thanks for the repro, punkman
1007862;1423115957;punkman;(on debian wheezy, rev_bump patch)
1007863;1423115987;ben_vulpes;would you be a dear and sync an unmolested 0.5.3?
1007864;1423115993;ben_vulpes;with a known-good blocksource?
1007865;1423116068;ben_vulpes;!up Vexual
1007866;1423116074;phillipsjk;I don't think 0.5.3 supports bootstrap.dat, but I could be wrong.
1007867;1423116106;ben_vulpes;phillipsjk: what does bootstrap.dat have to do with anything?
1007868;1423116185;BingoBoingo;Everyone who wanted qntra to have a category page http://qntra.net/categories/ now lives
1007869;1423116185;assbot;Categories | Qntra.net ... ( http://bit.ly/1I65hi8 )
1007870;1423116203;ben_vulpes;oh, d'ja hack the whoopies BingoBoingo?
1007871;1423116207;punkman;ben_vulpes: what's a known-good blocksource?
1007872;1423116238;ben_vulpes;<mircea_popescu> [] a) what chicks and b) what pay. << i can speak to the chicks
1007873;1423116241;ben_vulpes;the pay, not so much
1007874;1423116245;asciilifeform;http://www.ussiowa.org/general/html/willie_d.htm << of historical interest, re: fdr and u.s. brass
1007875;1423116247;assbot;The Willie D ... ( http://bit.ly/1I65D8o )
1007876;1423116248;danielpbarron;here's some progress: http://danielpbarron.com/pogo-build-nohup-tail.txt <- http://danielpbarron.com/pogo-build.sh.txt
1007877;1423116249;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1I65G48 )
1007878;1423116250;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1I65DFj )
1007879;1423116265;BingoBoingo;ben_vulpes: Nah, hand listed at least for now. Over the next month or two will work on making categories more useful for browsing since mike_c wanted it so
1007880;1423116277;ben_vulpes;punkman: using addnode= to add a node from which to pull the blocks
1007881;1423116300;punkman;ben_vulpes: I had one of BingoBoingo's nodes plus dnsseed
1007882;1423116302;asciilifeform;'the new state-of-the-art destroyer, her ambitious captain and seemingly fumbling crew were placed under arrest and sent to Bermuda for trial. it was the first time in the history of the United States Navy that an entire ship and her company had been arrested. The William D. Porter was surrounded by Marines when it docked in Bermuda and was held there for several days as the closed-session inquiry attempted to find out what ha
1007883;1423116302;asciilifeform;d happened.'
1007884;1423116402;ben_vulpes;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4TzGV6YNmEM << what is this shit Vexual
1007885;1423116403;assbot;Bok van Blerk - Land van Melk en Heuning (AMPTELIKE HD MUSIEK VIDEO) - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1I66qGt )
1007886;1423116529;trinque;asciilifeform: I once finished gentoo quest on a two-generations-back macbook pro
1007887;1423116537;*;trinque laments his misspent youth
1007888;1423116559;asciilifeform;trinque: finished in the sense of there not remaining a single peripheral that could be described as not entirely working to spec ?
1007889;1423116568;asciilifeform;even, e.g., power management ?
1007890;1423116570;trinque;yep
1007891;1423116573;asciilifeform;neato.
1007892;1423116579;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes ^
1007893;1423116589;trinque;I still have the kernel config somewheres
1007894;1423116603;trinque;that said fuck that shit; I'm sure there's an easier machine to deal with
1007895;1423116641;trinque;and that is decidedly not anything lenovo's squeezed out recently
1007896;1423116700;ben_vulpes;oh asciilifeform that's a great story
1007897;1423116733;asciilifeform;trinque: ever found the 'easier machine' ?
1007898;1423116743;punkman;jurov: https://www.olimex.com/Products/OLinuXino/A10/A10-OLinuXino-LIME/open-source-hardware guess we'll end up with this <<  I had one of these. It doesn't have wifi or built-in NAND, has SATA, can run off battery. Doesn't need binary blobs if you don't care about GPU.
1007899;1423116744;assbot;A10-OLinuXino-LIME - Open Source Hardware Board ... ( http://bit.ly/1I68gak )
1007900;1423116751;trinque;asciilifeform: nah, tis but the rambling of an addict who will never find his fix
1007901;1423116756;punkman;but also it died the other day, and no warranty
1007902;1423116765;asciilifeform;punkman: unfortunately - expensive. and no chassis/powersupply
1007903;1423116770;trinque;-or- when the hell do I get a dataflowputer
1007904;1423116772;trinque;:D
1007905;1423116799;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 129202 @ 0.00036638 = 47.337 BTC [-] {2} 
1007906;1423116818;trinque;I was thinking my love of relational databases (view composition, etc) would map to that model pretty well
1007907;1423117223;trinque;there's this idea of streaming queries that's been kicked around a bit
1007908;1423117231;trinque;sounds sort of like what I read on loper
1007909;1423117261;asciilifeform;when you plug a lamp into a mains socket, is that also a 'streaming query' ?
1007910;1423117361;ben_vulpes;every night these koans
1007911;1423117372;ben_vulpes;every night my tiny brain
1007912;1423117392;trinque;zen stick's good for ya, haha
1007913;1423117493;trinque;asciilifeform: yes, the power has been declared to be, then the lamp may make use of that fact as it does
1007914;1423117511;trinque;vs say asking "hm, at this point in time are there electrons moving in this wire?" *plug* "Yes." *unplug*
1007915;1423117546;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform> when you plug a lamp into a mains socket, is that also a 'streaming query' ? << For some kinds of lamp sure.
1007916;1423117562;asciilifeform;except that this is an astonishingly abstruse model for what the lamp/socket do.
1007917;1423117568;trinque;select * from qntra; -- streaming version would give me new articles that occur after the query was begun
1007918;1423117579;asciilifeform;that nobody in his right mind would normally suggest.
1007919;1423117592;asciilifeform;why, then, suggest it for a computer program?
1007920;1423117628;trinque;why suggest relational modeling?
1007921;1423117636;trinque;lots of reasons treated by smarter guys than myself
1007922;1423117639;asciilifeform;'streaming query'
1007923;1423117663;trinque;"new shit came to light"
1007924;1423117686;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: What of lamps that monitor/diagnose issues with mains power, totally a query.
1007925;1423117716;asciilifeform;what of airplane propelled via pilot's farts.
1007926;1423117734;trinque;BingoBoingo: or say I only read when the light is on
1007927;1423117759;trinque;the reactive model of just firing up reading when there's some light to do it by is nice
1007928;1423117765;ben_vulpes;<Vexual> [] 'hoes and money and violence an polotx << legendary
1007929;1423117793;BingoBoingo;<asciilifeform> what of airplane propelled via pilot's farts. << If pilot is gassy enough why not? Optimize diet for flight.
1007930;1423117805;asciilifeform;or let's have water polling bottle on what shape to be.
1007931;1423117824;ben_vulpes;<mircea_popescu> [] trinque actually they'll fight you, too. more than one woman got scared shitless of flocks of geese << this one time i was eating a burrito on the waterfront
1007932;1423117831;ben_vulpes;idling by my bicycle
1007933;1423117839;ben_vulpes;doing nothing of import, minding my own business
1007934;1423117849;ben_vulpes;goose *catches my eye*!
1007935;1423117852;phillipsjk;DeathAndTaxes on bitcoin talk made a detailed post explaining why the 1MB block size in not good for anything other than inter-bank transfers: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=946236.0 He estimetes 2-4 TPS basked on the last million transactions
1007936;1423117853;assbot;Permanently keeping the 1MB (anti-spam) restriction is a great idea ... ... ( http://bit.ly/1I6edUF )
1007937;1423117855;ben_vulpes;i shit you not it makes eye contact
1007938;1423117866;ben_vulpes;and then proceeeds to march over to intimidate me
1007939;1423117880;trinque;ben_vulpes: "bitch!" spans many species, lol
1007940;1423117897;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 212700 @ 0.00036541 = 77.7227 BTC [-] {4} 
1007941;1423117898;phillipsjk;!gettrust Deathandtaxes
1007942;1423117898;assbot;Deathandtaxes is not registered in WoT.
1007943;1423117903;asciilifeform;exercise for student: when you wake up, think of six entirely factually-correct - but disastrously intellectually-crippling - models for some commonplace thing or other.
1007944;1423117916;ben_vulpes;now i can't quite beat the thing senseless with my helmet as, well, ussa
1007945;1423117927;phillipsjk;s/basked/based
1007946;1423117933;ben_vulpes;conclusion of story left for reader
1007947;1423117935;trinque;asciilifeform: I'll do it while wiping my paper with ass
1007948;1423117943;asciilifeform;!b 5
1007949;1423117943;assbot;Last 5 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/09VBVWZ.txt )
1007950;1423118005;ben_vulpes;and lo, i am logged.
1007951;1423118011;ben_vulpes;my toy bitcoinds, wedged.
1007952;1423118022;*;asciilifeform off to indent a bed.
1007953;1423118029;ben_vulpes;my girl, somnulent.
1007954;1423118038;trinque;my booze, gone
1007955;1423118046;ben_vulpes;mine is not!
1007956;1423118050;ben_vulpes;although i have no fags left
1007957;1423118060;*;ben_vulpes elbows trinque
1007958;1423118088;ben_vulpes;smokes, let's go!
1007959;1423118133;trinque;ben_vulpes: I'm deedbottin
1007960;1423118155;trinque;to-night!
1007961;1423118176;ben_vulpes;get it done!
1007962;1423118189;trinque;let me get the thing to publish once and I'll see if you're still up for a cig
1007963;1423118225;ben_vulpes;go go go
1007964;1423118227;ben_vulpes;i've got...
1007965;1423118234;ben_vulpes;a glass of tinto left?
1007966;1423118256;BingoBoingo;<asciilifeform> or let's have water polling bottle on what shape to be. <<Water is perfect for polling bottle of its volume
1007967;1423118350;BingoBoingo;<ben_vulpes> now i can't quite beat the thing senseless with my helmet as, well, ussa << disappeared into sack?
1007968;1423118447;trinque;BingoBoingo: he'd be arrested for... fowl molestation
1007969;1423118495;BingoBoingo;trinque: I mean bird disappears into his sack, not his sack disappeared into bird for a bit.
1007970;1423118664;ben_vulpes;http://bernardlunn.com/2015/02/03/change-the-bank-by-importing-startup-culture/ << makes muh brain hurt
1007971;1423118666;assbot;Change The Bank By Importing StartUp Culture | Fintech by Bernard Lunn ... ( http://bit.ly/1I6i0kE )
1007972;1423118739;trinque;ben_vulpes: hah yes let the banks imitate the fucking valley
1007973;1423118742;trinque;please do
1007974;1423118813;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16989 @ 0.00037081 = 6.2997 BTC [+]
1007975;1423118852;punkman;damn, 200mb debug.log
1007976;1423118869;ben_vulpes;phillipsjk: the last million transactions are probably by volume idiocy spawned by wallets that inhibit address reuse
1007977;1423118874;ben_vulpes;!gettrust phillipsjk
1007978;1423118874;assbot;Trust relationship from user ben_vulpes to user phillipsjk: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. | http://w.b-a.link/trust/ben_vulpes/phillipsjk | http://w.b-a.link/user/phillipsjk
1007979;1423118889;ben_vulpes;from namworld?
1007980;1423118893;ben_vulpes;are you fucking kidding me?
1007981;1423118912;punkman;ben_vulpes, I'm working on "1-click" deploy/build/run/log ansible playbook
1007982;1423118983;phillipsjk;;;later tell mircea_popescu I sincerely hope the 1MB line in the sand is not simply a power-trip.
1007983;1423118983;gribble;The operation succeeded.
1007984;1423118998;ben_vulpes;phillipsjk: who are you anyways?
1007985;1423119000;phillipsjk;ben_vulpes, got imported from gribble. I trade with him
1007986;1423119008;ben_vulpes;yeah no clearly i can read that much
1007987;1423119009;phillipsjk;*traded
1007988;1423119029;ben_vulpes;no need to summarize your *one* rating for me.
1007989;1423119038;phillipsjk;http://phillipsjk.ca/resume2014.html
1007990;1423119039;assbot;Resume for James Phillips ... ( http://bit.ly/1I6k3Fm )
1007991;1423119070;ben_vulpes;absolutely none of this qualifies you to have an opinion about block size.
1007992;1423119096;phillipsjk;Not even my 2 year electronic program or running a node for a year?
1007993;1423119120;ben_vulpes;no, not at all.
1007994;1423119132;ben_vulpes;./bitcoind -datadir=my_butt/ -daemon
1007995;1423119154;ben_vulpes;no more than merely existing gives you a say in how the world works.
1007996;1423119166;trinque;b-b-but my pulse!
1007997;1423119175;ben_vulpes;back to the deeds, you
1007998;1423119194;ben_vulpes;don't make me finish this bottle aone, trinque
1007999;1423119201;ben_vulpes;;;gettrust assbot muxne
1008000;1423119201;gribble;WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user assbot to user muxne: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 1 via 3 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=assbot&dest=muxne | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=muxne | Rated since: Sun Jun 22 00:11:14 2014
1008001;1423119204;trinque;:( sad thought
1008002;1423119213;ben_vulpes;!gettrust assbot muxne
1008003;1423119213;assbot;muxne is not registered in WoT.
1008004;1423119217;ben_vulpes;kakobrekla:
1008005;1423119228;ben_vulpes;i know you don't like the guy, but nuking his record?
1008006;1423119238;punkman;^ no gpg key
1008007;1423119257;punkman;!up Vexual
1008008;1423119293;ben_vulpes;ah ha
1008009;1423119375;phillipsjk;Well, if I ever get my Money Service Business registered, I will let you know.
1008010;1423119414;ben_vulpes;dude
1008011;1423119417;ben_vulpes;you're not registering shit
1008012;1423119421;*;phillipsjk has not worke on that in like 75 days months
1008013;1423119457;ben_vulpes;the mind boggles.
1008014;1423119489;ben_vulpes;why'd i think that a thing you've dropped for 2.5 months would ever see any action?
1008015;1423119494;Vexual;what are you actually trying to do?
1008016;1423119506;ben_vulpes;Vexual: tunes, let's go
1008017;1423119544;Vexual;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q-YJ3z4oPrI pearler
1008018;1423119549;phillipsjk;Buy and sell BItcoin following the *letter* of the law. I am passive-aggressive that way.
1008019;1423119556;punkman;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-fEGY3x3dMI
1008020;1423119557;assbot;Black Sails OST - The Golden Vanity (feat  Doug Lacy) - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1zCaiaV )
1008021;1423119565;ben_vulpes;phillipsjk: the san-serif headers are kinda..bleh
1008022;1423119580;Vexual;that got elanors tits? punkman?
1008023;1423119610;punkman;no tits
1008024;1423119697;ben_vulpes;phillipsjk: well pipe down, read logs, learn something and then start derping about "power trips"
1008025;1423119710;Vexual;ross about to get sentenced
1008026;1423119737;ben_vulpes;bitcoin is a rare, scarce, unpollutable thing unlike everything else under the domain of the fiat tyrants.
1008027;1423119787;ben_vulpes;the 1mb line is about preserving that scarcity in the face of all who'd turn gold into paper in Schwabe accounts and make your dollar into ninety cents tomorrow.
1008028;1423119911;ben_vulpes;even though all i can ever aspire to own in terms of vehicle is that crown jewel in the plastic bezzle crown (the honda element), i yet recognize those valuable scarce and uncounterfeitable things like bitcoin and well-husbanded women.
1008029;1423119922;phillipsjk;The problem is with 1MB blocks, Bitcoin will only be used for inter-bank settlements. Either that, or remain a niche. We are talking less than 1 million users world-wide.
1008030;1423119968;ben_vulpes;you've made no argument as to this 1e6 number.
1008031;1423119986;danielpbarron;how is that even a problem?
1008032;1423119990;phillipsjk;Death and taxes made a table.
1008033;1423120003;trinque;/markov
1008034;1423120008;ben_vulpes;dpaste it
1008035;1423120008;Vexual;penis
1008036;1423120016;ben_vulpes;i know no death and taxes
1008037;1423120020;ben_vulpes;forum posts carry no weight here.
1008038;1423120036;ben_vulpes;a table lol do mine eyes deceive me
1008039;1423120045;ben_vulpes;trinque: i pour!
1008040;1423120060;Vexual;look at my codebus dls
1008041;1423120074;trinque;I'm at like 37% of rsync'ing leveldb turds up to the server
1008042;1423120084;trinque;ben_vulpes: better just finish that yerself
1008043;1423120087;ben_vulpes;bwahaha
1008044;1423120091;danielpbarron;it's not that banks are bad; it's that fiat is bad. A bitcoin bank could work well. A service that holds bitcoin for you and lets you spend it with a debit card or something
1008045;1423120177;ben_vulpes;danielpbarron: anyone who could hold bitcoin (in the sense of actually controlling their keys, robustly) should trivially be able to wield either credit cards or local fiat
1008046;1423120223;phillipsjk;https://dpaste.de/oUck Quadruple the numbers for 8TPS
1008047;1423120224;assbot;dpaste.de: Snippet #302180 ... ( http://bit.ly/1I6pMeu )
1008048;1423120282;trinque;phillipsjk: dem stats is not the fucking point
1008049;1423120294;trinque;what TPS will the network do if it fails entirely?
1008050;1423120308;ben_vulpes;no no no no no
1008051;1423120312;trinque;or hell, let me run trinquecoin from my laptop; I'll be the whole network
1008052;1423120313;phillipsjk;well, that would be about 0.
1008053;1423120322;trinque;and I'll do a goddamn million tps
1008054;1423120339;ben_vulpes;bitcoin is a store of value and a way to move money around without governmental interference.
1008055;1423120346;ben_vulpes;it is not visa, ffs.
1008056;1423120350;ben_vulpes;it is not mastercard.
1008057;1423120354;ben_vulpes;it is not even swift.
1008058;1423120363;ben_vulpes;if you touch bitcoin, you are going up against the fiat state. end of story.
1008059;1423120364;trinque;GOLD.
1008060;1423120367;trinque;get your forklift
1008061;1423120379;phillipsjk;How many transaction per decade do you expect people to need?
1008062;1423120385;danielpbarron;i feel like this confusion phillipsjk is having would be easily resolved by reading the log for 6 months or so :p
1008063;1423120393;ben_vulpes;danielpbarron: right?
1008064;1423120410;ben_vulpes;too bad he insists on waltzing in here and telling us about how the proletariat must transact in bitcoin several times per year.
1008065;1423120426;ben_vulpes;phillipsjk: proles will be lucky to buy a fraction of a bitcoin once per decade.
1008066;1423120479;phillipsjk;The top 1% will be lucky to buy Bitcoin once per decade.
1008067;1423120494;danielpbarron;stock up
1008068;1423120496;punkman;phillipsjk: the proposal is not to have 1MB block forever and ever
1008069;1423120507;ben_vulpes;<trinque> get your forklift << not a bad analogy. preserving private keys is tough.
1008070;1423120522;trinque;ben_vulpes: requires equipment and *taps noggin*
1008071;1423120554;trinque;all sorts of other financial instruments can be derived from bitcoin once the thing itself is safe
1008072;1423120559;trinque;right now it's nowhere near safe
1008073;1423120571;ben_vulpes;phillipsjk: the vast majority of people run winblowz and use iOS devices. are we to count them in our set of people who might use bitcoin someday?
1008074;1423120593;trinque;you want to build your visa? build it on bitcoin, but don't systemd the thing and decide it must have a visa built in
1008075;1423120596;ben_vulpes;trinque: tell me about it.
1008076;1423120674;ben_vulpes;at this point, i'm seriously entertaining the notion that phillipsjk is 3 phillipinos frantically composing sentences that sort-of make sense in english
1008077;1423120716;phillipsjk;ben_vulpes, I have always assumed that if Bitcoin users commonly used Windows or IOS, we will learn that some major company had an "insider" push BItcoin stealing malware. (I think I mentioned that within my first 10 Bitcointalk posts.)
1008078;1423120785;ben_vulpes;anyways, block limit ain't going anywhere. it diddles important scarcity characteristics, and the system isn't even in steady-state yet.
1008079;1423120794;danielpbarron;are we supposed to have read your post history on some forum while you have not read the history here?
1008080;1423120808;phillipsjk;Well, I guess I have to read logs to learn your "roadmap"
1008081;1423120808;punkman;debug.log snippet for my node stuck on 168000: http://dpaste.com/3SS8V6X.txt
1008082;1423120810;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1I6sTTN )
1008083;1423120823;punkman;looks same as mod6's
1008084;1423120836;ben_vulpes;ERROR: ConnectInputs() : 2c2314f353 VerifySignature failed << that's familiar
1008085;1423120839;phillipsjk;danielpbarron, not really, no.
1008086;1423120848;ben_vulpes;phillipsjk: what roadmap
1008087;1423120850;ben_vulpes;bitcoin is.
1008088;1423120865;ben_vulpes;and it ain't changing.
1008089;1423120965;punkman;did anyone try running phoundation's 0.6 ?
1008090;1423120977;phillipsjk;It has and will change. The 1MB block limit was introduced to stop spam. You seem to be more militant than luke-Jr who called Bitcoin gambling sites spam. You appear to call all "trivial" transactions spam.
1008091;1423120999;punkman;phillipsjk: the 1MB limit is not to stop spam
1008092;1423121022;ben_vulpes;phillipsjk: the 1MB limit is not to stop spam.
1008093;1423121046;fluffypony;phillipsjk: the 1MB limit is not to stop spam.
1008094;1423121069;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 196400 @ 0.00036017 = 70.7374 BTC [-] {2} 
1008095;1423121071;phillipsjk;<ben_vulpes> anyways, block limit ain't going anywhere. it diddles important scarcity characteristics, and the system isn't even in steady-state yet.
1008096;1423121109;ben_vulpes;yes, i said that.
1008097;1423121121;punkman;not just scarcity, slower block propagation can be disastrous
1008098;1423121142;trinque;dude the average block size has to be what, 250kb right now?
1008099;1423121145;ben_vulpes;the 1MB limit is actually in place because of block propagation chaos.
1008100;1423121183;ben_vulpes;once upon a time, blocks were of unbounded size
1008101;1423121194;ben_vulpes;propagation of blocks over the network was at that time...weird.
1008102;1423121219;ben_vulpes;today, 3 mining consortiums might find a block within just a few minute of each other
1008103;1423121227;phillipsjk;I always cringe when lusers on the forum brags some alt has faster "confirmation" times.
1008104;1423121294;phillipsjk;That is the primary reason I am wary of Monero actually. 1 minute block|
1008105;1423121357;phillipsjk;Well, thanks for the chat.
1008106;1423121396;ben_vulpes;phillipsjk: you're aware that monero's an experiment, right?
1008107;1423121410;phillipsjk;So is Bitcoin.
1008108;1423121433;punkman;So is earth.
1008109;1423121493;phillipsjk;Currently Bitcoin is testing whether a secure, networked application is even possible.
1008110;1423121497;ben_vulpes;phillipsjk: ya well bitcoin monetized, and monero hasn't yet and likely won't so that's the kind of comment that paints you as entirely ignorant of the domain.
1008111;1423121506;ben_vulpes;no, it's possible.
1008112;1423121510;ben_vulpes;the sigs hash.
1008113;1423121512;ben_vulpes;the blocks chain.
1008114;1423121517;ben_vulpes;the experiment succeded.
1008115;1423121523;ben_vulpes;scuse me, monero is a "hobby".
1008116;1423121543;ben_vulpes;there is no "testing" of bitcoin.
1008117;1423121569;trinque;will my btcd still fart transactions at other nodes if I haven't finished syncing the blockchain?
1008118;1423121569;ben_vulpes;the notion that the bitcoin protocol needs testing is pure FUD, from the enemies of hard crypto.
1008119;1423121577;ben_vulpes;trinque: TIAS
1008120;1423121592;ben_vulpes;phillipsjk: where did you get that key, anyways? did you buy it?
1008121;1423121606;trinque;ben_vulpes: wat
1008122;1423121609;punkman;trinque: if you can build the transaction elsewhere
1008123;1423121614;ben_vulpes;Try It And See
1008124;1423121621;trinque;ben_vulpes: no way sounds lame
1008125;1423121634;ben_vulpes;Welcome to BITCOIN
1008126;1423121649;phillipsjk;No, back in 2009, my ISP said that they reserve the right to "inject ads in the browser". I have been singing my e-mail ever since.
1008127;1423121649;ben_vulpes;trinque: i'd hope so.
1008128;1423121674;ben_vulpes;i singed my butthole with a particularly firey fart the other night
1008129;1423121688;trinque;lol
1008130;1423121713;ben_vulpes;back in 99 Vexual was my isp and we only communicated with caesars cipher
1008131;1423121736;BingoBoingo;<phillipsjk> It has and will change. The 1MB block limit was introduced to stop spam. You seem to be more militant than luke-Jr who called Bitcoin gambling sites spam. You appear to call all "trivial" transactions spam. << His definition of spam is both more complex and stupider than that
1008132;1423121776;punkman;"let's block fee paying transactions, yay!"
1008133;1423121787;phillipsjk;BingoBoingo, for some strange reason, I don't doubt you.
1008134;1423121793;ben_vulpes;the point that i'm making (for the clinically slow) is that the odds of a key from...2013 just showing up and having anything pointful to say, especially when citing bitcointalk as proof or substantiation of anything are...low.
1008135;1423121841;ben_vulpes;especially when that key simply parrots that which is only said by those who wish to wreck the scarcity and value of core bitcoin economics.
1008136;1423121845;ben_vulpes;;;ident phillipsjk
1008137;1423121845;gribble;Nick 'phillipsjk', with hostmask 'phillipsjk!~james@unaffiliated/phillipsjk', is not identified.
1008138;1423121855;ben_vulpes;oh well clearly fuck right off then.
1008139;1423121860;danielpbarron;!v assbot:danielpbarron.rate.phillipsjk.-1:162b44943bc0180c83a6648fa5aaaa3cbbeb78a4506a70bcbddccf8766452878
1008140;1423121860;assbot;Successfully added a rating of -1 for phillipsjk with note: get back to me in six months
1008141;1423121864;danielpbarron;!v assbot:danielpbarron.rate.ben_vulpes.1:d92e6c6794ef16570291b960cfc1f164b7e1dd41eb85d812c2ecfe1b9f870592
1008142;1423121864;assbot;Successfully added a rating of 1 for ben_vulpes with note: a *real* bitcoin dev
1008143;1423121875;ben_vulpes;oh gosh don't do that danielpbarron
1008144;1423121888;ben_vulpes;you'll bring der furer down on me and i'm trying to get to ars in the spring
1008145;1423121904;ben_vulpes;:P
1008146;1423121928;ben_vulpes;how is this phillipsjk voiced again?
1008147;1423121948;phillipsjk;I authe with assbot, not gribble.
1008148;1423121957;phillipsjk;!down
1008149;1423121968;phillipsjk;!down phillipsjk
1008150;1423121971;ben_vulpes;no, you're not even identified.
1008151;1423121986;ben_vulpes;mm oh
1008152;1423121997;punkman;;;ident ben_vulpes
1008153;1423121997;gribble;Nick 'ben_vulpes', with hostmask 'ben_vulpes!~ben_vulpe@unaffiliated/benkay', is not identified.
1008154;1423122006;ben_vulpes;*sigh*
1008155;1423122007;ben_vulpes;FINE
1008156;1423122012;ben_vulpes;;;ident ben_vulpes
1008157;1423122012;gribble;Nick 'ben_vulpes', with hostmask 'ben_vulpes!~ben_vulpe@unaffiliated/benkay', is not identified.
1008158;1423122019;ben_vulpes;;;eauth ben_vulpes
1008159;1423122020;gribble;Request successful for user ben_vulpes, hostmask ben_vulpes!~ben_vulpe@unaffiliated/benkay. Get your encrypted OTP from http://bitcoin-otc.com/otps/2AFA1A9FD2D031DA
1008160;1423122036;punkman;we don't really do that anymore
1008161;1423122049;ben_vulpes;;;everify freenode:#bitcoin-otc:c04e17d42f4139a1cf13c592cf1722b9116798c9122e99590d8dedff
1008162;1423122050;gribble;You are now authenticated for user ben_vulpes with key 2AFA1A9FD2D031DA
1008163;1423122057;ben_vulpes;punkman: no, but it makes a point.
1008164;1423122060;ben_vulpes;my tooling works.
1008165;1423122063;trinque;deedbot-: add-key http://dpaste.com/1F6JBV6.txt
1008166;1423122064;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1I6yUQq )
1008167;1423122086;punkman;add-key?
1008168;1423122130;ben_vulpes;yeah, what is this add-key?
1008169;1423122132;trinque;deedbot-: add-key http://dpaste.com/1F6JBV6.txt
1008170;1423122133;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1I6zfCs )
1008171;1423122137;trinque;doo eeeet
1008172;1423122153;trinque;something's not talking to something *crawls back under car*
1008173;1423122160;ben_vulpes;!s testing in production
1008174;1423122161;assbot;19 results for 'testing in production' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=testing+in+production
1008175;1423122161;trinque;add-key adds your public key to the bot's keyring
1008176;1423122167;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 148200 @ 0.00037334 = 55.329 BTC [+] {3} 
1008177;1423122206;trinque;ben_vulpes: nah works in pm
1008178;1423122212;trinque;I think that's a setting
1008179;1423122226;trinque;anyhow add-key adds your key *if* you're in assbot's L1 or L2
1008180;1423122258;danielpbarron;doesn't the bot know your key if it knows you're in the l2?
1008181;1423122258;trinque;add-deed noms a gpg signed document and queues it for timestamping
1008182;1423122302;trinque;danielpbarron: you give it your key; it checks the web api, adds the key to the keyring if you're in l1/l2
1008183;1423122304;trinque;as per spec
1008184;1423122322;trinque;and only eats docs with signatures it can verify
1008185;1423122383;danielpbarron;ah
1008186;1423122497;ben_vulpes;deedbot-: add-deed http://dpaste.com/2JTGWWA.txt
1008187;1423122498;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1I6B0Q8 )
1008188;1423122532;ben_vulpes;that's going to have to work in-channel, trinque
1008189;1423122556;trinque;ben_vulpes: duh
1008190;1423122577;ben_vulpes;ALL I HAVE IS DUH
1008191;1423122582;ben_vulpes;LEAVE BRITNEY ALONE
1008192;1423122594;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 97330 @ 0.00038368 = 37.3436 BTC [+] {2} 
1008193;1423122655;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 42136 @ 0.00038734 = 16.321 BTC [+] {2} 
1008194;1423122675;trinque;!up deedbot-
1008195;1423122683;punkman;lol
1008196;1423122689;trinque;deedbot-: add-key http://dpaste.com/1F6JBV6.txt
1008197;1423122691;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/16jKyFV )
1008198;1423122691;deedbot-;imported: FC66C0C5D98C42A1D4A98B6B42F9985AFAB953C4
1008199;1423122694;trinque;deerrrrppp
1008200;1423122707;ben_vulpes;deedbot-: add-deed http://dpaste.com/2JTGWWA.txt
1008201;1423122708;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1I6B0Q8 )
1008202;1423122708;deedbot-;accepted: 1
1008203;1423122710;danielpbarron;!b 17
1008204;1423122710;assbot;Last 17 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/02BHHPQ.txt )
1008205;1423122745;ben_vulpes;is the flatfile host up yet?
1008206;1423122778;trinque;deedbot.org
1008207;1423122781;trinque;I'm fiddling with the publisher
1008208;1423122797;ben_vulpes;dat unstyled text
1008209;1423122801;ben_vulpes;turns me on
1008210;1423122807;trinque;probably will have no css
1008211;1423122828;ben_vulpes;no css is best css
1008212;1423122845;ben_vulpes;mebbe a tidy little dinosaur in the footer
1008213;1423124180;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31019 @ 0.00038861 = 12.0543 BTC [+]
1008214;1423124241;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 19493 @ 0.00096996 = 18.9074 BTC [+] {11} 
1008215;1423124303;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 2000 @ 0.0009705 = 1.941 BTC [+] {2} 
1008216;1423124331;punkman;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dBis7_FhgmQ
1008217;1423124332;assbot;Frames Janco - No Sleep [Prod. by SouthWest] - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/18PRFI5 )
1008218;1423124338;punkman;!up Vexual
1008219;1423124498;punkman;!up deedbot-
1008220;1423124534;Vexual;didnt james franco cut his arm of for sport?
1008221;1423124613;BingoBoingo;Bioshock is real life
1008222;1423124614;BingoBoingo;http://io9.com/confirmation-that-photosynthesizing-sea-slugs-steal-gen-1683702602
1008223;1423124615;assbot;Confirmation That Photosynthesizing Sea Slugs Steal Genes From Algae ... ( http://bit.ly/18PSfp1 )
1008224;1423124631;Vexual;bioshokc pron is a thing
1008225;1423124658;Vexual;forget bix
1008226;1423124725;punkman;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zlgaRgcDeFI
1008227;1423124726;assbot;Hazel - Dayglo [OFFICIAL VIDEO] - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/18PSyAl )
1008228;1423124731;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34900 @ 0.00038861 = 13.5625 BTC [+]
1008229;1423124852;punkman;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6YW_RqTuZMw
1008230;1423124853;assbot;BADBADNOTGOOD & Ghostface Killah - Ray Gun ft. DOOM (Official Video) - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/18PSNv4 )
1008231;1423124876;danielpbarron;height=185126
1008232;1423124889;punkman;danielpbarron: with orphanage burner?
1008233;1423124897;danielpbarron;not sure
1008234;1423124908;danielpbarron;that's the one ascii compiled and hosted
1008235;1423124934;danielpbarron;i hope i'm close to getting it compiled myself
1008236;1423124998;danielpbarron;!s pogo
1008237;1423124999;assbot;78 results for 'pogo' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=pogo
1008238;1423125006;danielpbarron;Vexual, ^
1008239;1423125037;punkman;danielpbarron: this one? "bitcoin-armv5-bastard includes the 'orphanage burner'"
1008240;1423125130;danielpbarron;ya
1008241;1423125131;Vexual;ill be loadinging up m old eeepc
1008242;1423125145;danielpbarron;oh i forgot he made two of them
1008243;1423125146;Vexual;maybe if it owrks
1008244;1423125193;Vexual;ive obly got one?
1008245;1423125257;Vexual;luckily the book doesnt nessitate anything in particular
1008246;1423125340;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 87790 @ 0.00038861 = 34.1161 BTC [+]
1008247;1423125505;punkman;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-1tlyGcAHbU
1008248;1423125506;assbot;Jay Electronica - Eternal Sunshine (The Pledge) (Full 15-minute version) - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/18PUdpq )
1008249;1423125618;punkman;http://matrix.org/
1008250;1423125620;assbot;Matrix.org | A new basis for open, distributed, real-time communication ... ( http://bit.ly/18PUsRn )
1008251;1423125856;punkman;artifexd, maybe some relevant ideas for gossipd in that spec
1008252;1423126254;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 134500 @ 0.00036454 = 49.0306 BTC [-] {3} 
1008253;1423126765;punkman;lol http://www.anthemfacts.com/
1008254;1423126766;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1DB31c3 )
1008255;1423126837;punkman;"if you are Anthem member, or if you were an Anthem member, you've been doxxed... and quite comprehensively. And you were doxxed nearly two months ago. Or maybe not, because Anthem goes out of its way to NOT tell you when this occurred. If you were affected here's how they will notify you:"
1008256;1423126846;punkman;"We continue working to  identify the members who are impacted. We will begin to mail letters to  impacted members in the coming weeks."
1008257;1423127022;fluffypony;what's Anthem?
1008258;1423127028;fluffypony;(scuse my ignorance)
1008259;1423127108;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 42700 @ 0.00038861 = 16.5936 BTC [+]
1008260;1423127148;punkman;fluffypony: some insurance company
1008261;1423127153;fluffypony;ah ok
1008262;1423130276;punkman;"app rating farm" https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B9EKh_lIEAE1O8u.jpg
1008263;1423130276;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1Ku6eMS )
1008264;1423130507;punkman;http://www.omaha.com/money/impostors-bilk-omaha-s-scoular-co-out-of-million/article_25af3da5-d475-5f9d-92db-52493258d23d.html
1008265;1423130509;assbot;Impostors bilk Omaha's Scoular Co. out of $17.2 million - Omaha.com: Money ... ( http://bit.ly/1Ku6Guz )
1008266;1423130662;punkman;scammer pretended to be the CEO, told employee to plz send monies to china: "For the last months we have been working, in coordination and under the  supervision of the SEC, on acquiring a Chinese company. ... This is very  sensitive, so please only communicate with me through this email, in  order for us not to infringe SEC regulations."
1008267;1423131002;kakobrekla;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=05-02-2015#1008005 < did no such thing
1008268;1423131002;assbot;Logged on 05-02-2015 06:53:48; ben_vulpes: i know you don't like the guy, but nuking his record?
1008269;1423131134;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 156200 @ 0.00038899 = 60.7602 BTC [+] {2} 
1008270;1423131158;punkman;https://cpunks.org//pipermail/cypherpunks/2015-February/006670.html
1008271;1423131379;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 5802 @ 0.00095 = 5.5119 BTC [-] {8} 
1008272;1423131500;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 1145 @ 0.00094837 = 1.0859 BTC [-] {4} 
1008273;1423132157;cazalla;from a ransomware news piece.. "Once their files are returned, the Niedermayers plan to have their hard drive professionally wiped, and will change their IP address."
1008274;1423132211;fluffypony;LOL
1008275;1423132220;fluffypony;I'm going to offer professional wiping services
1008276;1423134002;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 183550 @ 0.00039151 = 71.8617 BTC [+] {2} 
1008277;1423134551;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 156572 @ 0.0003924 = 61.4389 BTC [+]
1008278;1423135522;kakobrekla;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=05-02-2015#1007996 < ilold
1008279;1423135522;assbot;Logged on 05-02-2015 06:52:46; trinque: b-b-but my pulse!
1008280;1423135542;kakobrekla;enjoyable logs tonite.
1008281;1423137183;kakobrekla;http://www.mit.edu/~jerryzli/SprayList-CR.pdf
1008282;1423137186;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1DBxpTI )
1008283;1423137286;kakobrekla;they basically claim random ftw, which is lulzy
1008284;1423141621;BingoBoingo;http://news.nationalpost.com/2015/02/03/worlds-most-expensive-drug-prescription-that-costs-up-to-700000-per-year-too-expensive-canada-says/
1008285;1423141748;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 66250 @ 0.00038908 = 25.7766 BTC [-]
1008286;1423141815;thestringpuller;http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/2utl7p/lol_coinbase_for_getting_mad_at_redditors_for/cobkp02
1008287;1423141825;thestringpuller;can coinbase and bitpay die already?
1008288;1423141934;thestringpuller;http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/2uu1iu/permanently_keeping_the_1mb_antispam_restriction/ << redditards are so dumb
1008289;1423142112;thestringpuller;https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=946236.0 << has deathandtaxes argument been discussed et?
1008290;1423142403;jurov;adlai: if you have problems opening exchange account, maybe we can do it together. but i'm not touching btc-e or buttstamp
1008291;1423142446;jurov;we can use paymium or maybe coinmate.. but dunno if it works with smaller volume
1008292;1423142482;jurov;perhaps i can look into kraken
1008293;1423143517;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 39650 @ 0.00038908 = 15.427 BTC [-]
1008294;1423145347;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 102900 @ 0.0003877 = 39.8943 BTC [-]
1008295;1423146996;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16682 @ 0.00038366 = 6.4002 BTC [-]
1008296;1423147159;thestringpuller;ls
1008297;1423147922;PeterL;PeterL: http://bablogs.btcscoop.com is back up now
1008298;1423147923;assbot; #bitcoin-assets blog posts  ... ( http://bit.ly/1KuJf4y )
1008299;1423148355;lobbes;woo, finally got my VPS up and running. Now I just have to teach myself the basics of linux (Debian 7). So far I know how to view my current directory. Next step: running a node!
1008300;1423148364;lobbes;plenty of comedy gold (tm) to follow
1008301;1423148397;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 108650 @ 0.00038366 = 41.6847 BTC [-]
1008302;1423148651;thestringpuller;PeterL: is scoopbot fetching again :P
1008303;1423148670;PeterL;should be, I just restarted it a minute ago
1008304;1423148700;PeterL;I'm not sure why he stops, but it seems to get fixed if I restart
1008305;1423149131;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 101371 @ 0.00038759 = 39.2904 BTC [+] {2} 
1008306;1423149320;mike_c;PeterL: nice!  i missed having that page.
1008307;1423150164;asciilifeform;282547.
1008308;1423150182;mircea_popescu;like 5k over a day ?
1008309;1423150286;jurov;https://github.com/saltstack-formulas/epel-formula insanity. this recipe properly downloads and checksums a gpg key for epel repository, and then happily uses another one
1008310;1423150287;assbot;saltstack-formulas/epel-formula · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1D20CJg )
1008311;1423150305;jurov;like, no one looked at it before?
1008312;1423150316;mircea_popescu;jurov o.O ?!
1008313;1423150378;asciilifeform;Many Eyes (TM) !11!
1008314;1423150411;PeterL;well now somebody found it, many eyes worked
1008315;1423150415;mircea_popescu;i dunno of any "profession" "industree" etc ever in history of mankind to be so fucking... i don't even know. inconsistent ? mixed ?
1008316;1423150421;mircea_popescu;not even medicine. not even religion.
1008317;1423150434;mircea_popescu;PeterL i hope for the sake of your soul that you're being kako-level sarcastic.
1008318;1423150443;PeterL;the profession of prostitute includes alot of fucking ...
1008319;1423150444;jurov;PeterL: yes I found it..after half year
1008320;1423150455;jurov;er.. one and half year
1008321;1423150459;PeterL;I think I forgot my sarcasm tag somewhere
1008322;1423150471;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28768 @ 0.00038366 = 11.0371 BTC [-]
1008323;1423150474;mircea_popescu;sarcasm tag's one history!
1008324;1423150527;jurov;#devops at one's own peril
1008325;1423150527;mircea_popescu;computers are evil, there's no two ways about it.
1008326;1423150594;mircea_popescu;http://www.tennessean.com/story/insession/2015/02/03/swingers-club-council/22813945/
1008327;1423150599;assbot;Swingers club adds councilwoman's picture to website ... ( http://bit.ly/1D21tK3 )
1008328;1423150684;punkman;swinger's club next to christian school campus, synergy!
1008329;1423150717;mircea_popescu;lol
1008330;1423150742;mircea_popescu;"christisn school campus" wtf is that even
1008331;1423150770;mircea_popescu;place for a bunch of derps to go and be all weird and pretend it's jesus' fault amirite.
1008332;1423150782;punkman;http://goodpasture.org/
1008333;1423150785;assbot;Goodpasture Christian School | "Building confidence, intellectual growth, and spiritual strength." ... ( http://bit.ly/1D223at )
1008334;1423150803;mircea_popescu;motherfucker. the cheek.
1008335;1423150828;mircea_popescu;haha check out the almost-mscomic font.
1008336;1423150889;punkman;running a node with this line removed: http://btc.yt/lxr/satoshi/source/src/main.cpp#0939 . works so far
1008337;1423150890;assbot;Satoshi 0.5.3.1/src/main.cpp ... ( http://bit.ly/1D22jX3 )
1008338;1423150893;mircea_popescu;To see the cast list for Joseph and the Amazing Technicolor Dreamcoat scroll down to the bottom of the page and click on the attatchment.
1008339;1423150893;assbot;AMAZING COMPANY!
1008340;1423150960;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 91900 @ 0.00038267 = 35.1674 BTC [-] {2} 
1008341;1423151063;mircea_popescu;!up Rippleflip_
1008342;1423151074;Rippleflip_;hello
1008343;1423151074;mircea_popescu;!up BigBitz
1008344;1423151083;mircea_popescu;i up noobs anyway ya know.
1008345;1423151088;BigBitz;mircea_popescu opportunity of a lifetime coming up.
1008346;1423151088;Rippleflip_;i have been forwarded here from #bitcoin-otc
1008347;1423151113;Rippleflip_;we run stellarflip.com and rippleflip.com and are possibly selling these services
1008348;1423151126;PeterL;who is we?
1008349;1423151135;Rippleflip_;our team. read more from https://stellarflip.com/sale.txt
1008350;1423151137;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1D233eO )
1008351;1423151137;mircea_popescu;ripp, lef and lip
1008352;1423151164;BigBitz;1250BTC. Cheap.
1008353;1423151180;chetty;how does one person typing use 'we' unless of course its a royal we
1008354;1423151182;Rippleflip_;bitbet.us is valued at 2000 BTC
1008355;1423151188;Rippleflip_;sorry chetty for my language
1008356;1423151190;mircea_popescu;market-valued.
1008357;1423151194;Rippleflip_;yes
1008358;1423151198;mircea_popescu;you know, kinda different story.
1008359;1423151215;Rippleflip_;yes, i see.
1008360;1423151228;mircea_popescu;so what do these do, exactly ? some sort of coin flip thing ?
1008361;1423151236;Rippleflip_;yes. gambling.
1008362;1423151239;BigBitz;mircea_popescu gambling for Stellar and Ripple.
1008363;1423151253;mircea_popescu;and limited to ripple and "stellar", ie, two dead scamcoins ?
1008364;1423151256;Rippleflip_;we have much indonesian speaking players
1008365;1423151265;Rippleflip_;mircea_popescu: yes.
1008366;1423151272;BigBitz;scamcoin 101.
1008367;1423151276;BigBitz;pump. dump. run.
1008368;1423151279;mircea_popescu;that's cool, but wh ydo you think the site's worth something in bitcoin ? neither ripple nor stellars are worth anything in bitcoin
1008369;1423151296;mircea_popescu;how about 1250 ripples ? or 1250 stellars ?
1008370;1423151306;Rippleflip_;mircea_popescu: we're open to offers but 1,250 BTC sounds reasonable to us.
1008371;1423151322;mircea_popescu;let me guess, it would roughly repay what you think the valuable value of your time spent on it so far
1008372;1423151328;mircea_popescu;plus perhaps a little something for the missus ?
1008373;1423151335;BigBitz;Rippleflip_ I did offer 25 Doge.
1008374;1423151369;Rippleflip_;mircea_popescu: i don't know. we set the price on the low end compared to other gambling site valuations
1008375;1423151399;Rippleflip_;bitbet.us has been played significantly less than ours, yet it's valued at 2000
1008376;1423151408;jurov;Rippleflip_: the valuations include the bankroll. but you are keeping the bankroll i presume
1008377;1423151414;mircea_popescu;how do you figure significantly less ?!
1008378;1423151414;jurov;and selling only code/domain
1008379;1423151417;PeterL;do you have a report on monthly income produced over the past year?
1008380;1423151425;Rippleflip_;jurov: the bankrolls we have are quite small
1008381;1423151442;Rippleflip_;mircea_popescu: wagers per time
1008382;1423151447;Rippleflip_;or just wagers.
1008383;1423151451;mircea_popescu;nonono. wagers-time.
1008384;1423151452;Rippleflip_;do your research please
1008385;1423151460;danielpbarron;!b 10
1008386;1423151461;assbot;Last 10 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/1X1RKKN.txt )
1008387;1423151464;mircea_popescu;if someone puts 1 btc for 1 year on bitbet, and someone puts 1000 ripples for 10 seconds on your site,
1008388;1423151493;mircea_popescu;you got 10k ripple seconds and bitbet got 31536000 bitcoin-seconds
1008389;1423151499;Rippleflip_;mircea_popescu: i meant stellarflip.com itself has been wagering more in 6 months than for example, bitbet all-time
1008390;1423151507;mircea_popescu;see above.
1008391;1423151589;punkman;8million STR total profit = 134 BTC
1008392;1423151637;mircea_popescu;ah now i see his logic. so
1008393;1423151652;mircea_popescu;;;calc 2000 / 21340 * 134
1008394;1423151653;gribble;12.5585754452
1008395;1423151659;mircea_popescu;that's whence the 1250 comes from
1008396;1423151687;mircea_popescu;can you even sell 10mn "stellar" without ruining the market permanently ?
1008397;1423151694;Rippleflip_;yes
1008398;1423151703;mircea_popescu;where does it even trade these days ?
1008399;1423151703;Rippleflip_;i assume it is possible.
1008400;1423151708;thestringpuller;so why is this channel only boppin' when a nigga gotta put in work?
1008401;1423151713;punkman;3,595,158,975 stellars available now
1008402;1423151714;BigBitz;'assume' do your research, please.
1008403;1423151717;Rippleflip_;poloniex.com at least. and inside network
1008404;1423151717;mircea_popescu;well of coruse you'd assume, no doub on that socre.
1008405;1423151717;thestringpuller;and not when you know I'm in a meeting trying to kill time.
1008406;1423151737;mircea_popescu;oh inside network ?! nobody i know would touch it. inside of what ? got its own wot ?
1008407;1423151742;Rippleflip_;mircea_popescu: you have to verify everything,, there is no point if i tell you
1008408;1423151761;Rippleflip_;for serious inquiries please email us.
1008409;1423151779;mircea_popescu;is stellar xmr ?
1008410;1423151781;Rippleflip_;or pm here, both work.
1008411;1423151784;Rippleflip_;no
1008412;1423151786;BigBitz;selling 10M STR would destroy their market.
1008413;1423151788;mircea_popescu;a no str
1008414;1423151812;mircea_popescu;STR0.0000165463.358-2.88Stellar
1008415;1423151853;mircea_popescu;STR0.003871110.080+0.10Stellar
1008416;1423151884;mircea_popescu;so according to poloniex, 10 cents worth of stellar (at 0.004) and 64 bitcoins' worth of same (at 0.00whatever) sold in the past what is this, day ?
1008417;1423151911;Rippleflip_;looks like that
1008418;1423151944;mircea_popescu;seems it only exists to trade xmr this thing, since https://poloniex.com/exchange#btc_str styill spends 90% of the page listing the xmr market. weird.
1008419;1423151946;assbot;Poloniex - Bitcoin/Cryptocurrency Exchange ... ( http://bit.ly/1D25fmt )
1008420;1423151954;mircea_popescu;fluffypony is this poloniex thing your folks' ?
1008421;1423151962;fluffypony;mircea_popescu: no
1008422;1423151972;mircea_popescu;where is the official place to trade monero ?
1008423;1423151984;fluffypony;that has the most liquidity
1008424;1423151995;fluffypony;hitbtc is most probably a scam so I'd avoid that
1008425;1423152006;mircea_popescu;"24hr Volume: 646.141 BTC / 195.554 XMR / 2838.69 XUSD" nuts.
1008426;1423152072;mircea_popescu;if this liquidity is natural i'll eat my hat. for one thing, the people interested in alts are interested in alts specifically because they're bitcoin poor. to propose to me that they are 100x more likely to trade btc than usd seems beyond counterintuitive.
1008427;1423152155;fluffypony;there's a shitload of liquidity in alts
1008428;1423152160;fluffypony;because it's a circle of scams
1008429;1423152168;fluffypony;scammers scamming scammers
1008430;1423152185;mircea_popescu;well, web people love that "hyip" thing
1008431;1423152190;fluffypony;they make hundreds of BTC on one scam, then lose half of it to another scam the next day
1008432;1423152200;fluffypony;yeah they do
1008433;1423152210;fluffypony;that's why PoS is a "thing"
1008434;1423152221;fluffypony;the new altcoin PoS scam is "hyperinflation"
1008435;1423152235;fluffypony;they had MMXIV with 2014% staking
1008436;1423152236;mircea_popescu;kinda what the web even exists these days. for people like mako to be all fucking weird (they call it "altrusitic" of course - http://mako.cc/copyrighteous/the-institute-for-cultural-diplomacy-and-wikipedia )
1008437;1423152238;assbot;The Institute for Cultural Diplomacy and Wikipedia | copyrighteous ... ( http://bit.ly/1D264vz )
1008438;1423152240;fluffypony;and now some 10 000% staking coin
1008439;1423152249;mircea_popescu;and for other people to be all like "I MAKE MONEY WHILE YOIU SLEEP!!11"
1008440;1423152261;mircea_popescu;what is this staking ?
1008441;1423152276;fluffypony;you basically just have to have the wallet open
1008442;1423152283;fluffypony;and then your coins add to the "stake weight"
1008443;1423152297;mircea_popescu;wow, realsolid's idea ?
1008444;1423152300;fluffypony;so no mining, just wallets "staking" and earning "interest" for it
1008445;1423152303;fluffypony;no, PeerCoin
1008446;1423152310;mircea_popescu;nah, this was solidcoin
1008447;1423152313;fluffypony;Sunny King or whatever his name is
1008448;1423152341;mircea_popescu;if you look, throughout 2011/12 some mentally deficient dank clone spent his time producing prose (not so different from the gavincoin crapolade) professionally explaining how bitcoin is obsolete
1008449;1423152346;mircea_popescu;and now solidcoin is here to stay!!1
1008450;1423152368;mircea_popescu;then artforz found it had a hole, and then it changed to having 12 magic nodes with 10 mn "unspendable" coins each
1008451;1423152370;mircea_popescu;which then got spent.
1008452;1423152396;fluffypony;ok not sure about SolidCoin, but PeerCoin's whitepaper is from August 2012
1008453;1423152409;fluffypony;it may have been influenced by ideas RealScammer had
1008454;1423152418;mircea_popescu;pretty sure realsolid was the first altscammer.
1008455;1423152447;fluffypony;PPCoin wasn't meant to be a scam
1008456;1423152453;the_scourge;mircea_popescu: freicoin is PoS
1008457;1423152469;fluffypony;I think King and Nadal genuinely wanted to find an alternative to PoS
1008458;1423152473;fluffypony;agh, to PoW I mean
1008459;1423152484;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 75308 @ 0.00039026 = 29.3897 BTC [+] {2} 
1008460;1423152485;mircea_popescu;fluffypony https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=63957.0 << ancient stuff.
1008461;1423152486;assbot;Do YOU want RealSolid to be lead developer( of solidcoin)? ... ( http://bit.ly/1D26Rgc )
1008462;1423152522;mircea_popescu;well there's a difference between wanting and trying things out you know. i also want to find a cure for cancer, but i'm not going around feeding people pills.
1008463;1423152554;the_scourge;fluffypony: there was a post about possible PoS vulnerabilities written by Vitalik. for what his opinion is worth
1008464;1423152576;fluffypony;the_scourge: PoS is not a terrible idea, it just doesn't work
1008465;1423152597;the_scourge;fluffypony: you may very well be right. what are the top reasons why not?
1008466;1423152614;fluffypony;the_scourge: Vitalik's approach to solving anything is to layer complexity on top, his Delegated PoS thing is just ugh
1008467;1423152622;mircea_popescu;^
1008468;1423152633;the_scourge;'cause reasons like 'keeping it anonymous AND democratic' don't fly for me anymore. butterin is worried about democracy or whatever, i'm past that point
1008469;1423152640;mircea_popescu;this is pretty much the "us academia" solution to everything. "make it more complicated, people won't notice"
1008470;1423152652;the_scourge;:D
1008471;1423152668;the_scourge;the freicoin solution is shockingly simple. my mind appreciates that :D
1008472;1423152670;thestringpuller;Is ethereum not dead yet?
1008473;1423152679;fluffypony;the_scourge: Poelstra's write-up is normally my go-to when PoS comes up in convo: https://download.wpsoftware.net/bitcoin/alts.pdf
1008474;1423152682;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1D27mqo )
1008475;1423152682;the_scourge;put a fork in it
1008476;1423152687;mircea_popescu;pretty much born out of their poverty years, each academic spent some time going "well if i think of it really complicatedly, i won't be so hungry anymore and those won't really be cockroaches"
1008477;1423152687;the_scourge;fluffypony: thanks
1008478;1423152696;fluffypony;he updates it regularly
1008479;1423152706;mircea_popescu;he upgrades a pdf regularly ?
1008480;1423152712;thestringpuller;mircea_popescu: this reminds me of conversation we had of Grad students being pimped out.
1008481;1423152726;mircea_popescu;thestringpuller you'll have to link a logline.
1008482;1423152734;Rippleflip_;PeterL: no. it's also worth nothing if we make it. potential buyer has to do the research. we can of course give you data
1008483;1423152737;thestringpuller;Yay markov chains!
1008484;1423152744;fluffypony;mircea_popescu: yeah, he has it in git if you want to step back to previous versions
1008485;1423152751;fluffypony;6.4 is the section where he rips PoS a new one
1008486;1423152767;PeterL;Rippleflip_: what's worth nothing?
1008487;1423152768;mircea_popescu;you know the guy ?
1008488;1423152777;Rippleflip_;PeterL: the info we give to you.
1008489;1423152791;PeterL;where else would info come from?
1008490;1423152792;Rippleflip_;PeterL: it is all 100% verifiable from public ledger
1008491;1423152797;Rippleflip_;the ledger.
1008492;1423152812;the_scourge;fluffypony: is apoelstra his github account?
1008493;1423152824;fluffypony;mircea_popescu: he's attached to the Monero Research Lab as one of the MRL Friends, so he's participated in some of the Schnorr signature multi-sig discussions we've had
1008494;1423152846;Rippleflip_;well, a bit over 20000 unique players, over 1,5 million usd wagered (possibly over 2 million with bitcoin value being higher in the past)
1008495;1423152849;fluffypony;the_scourge: yes
1008496;1423152887;the_scourge;fluffypony: i'm intruiged by his ideas and would like to subscribe to his newsletter
1008497;1423152887;Rippleflip_;been operating with the same engine for over 1.5 years
1008498;1423152888;mircea_popescu;https://github.com/apoelstra << lol at kanzure
1008499;1423152889;assbot;apoelstra (Andrew Poelstra) · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1D27Z3u )
1008500;1423152901;mircea_popescu;srsly, "Textual enumeration of incentives related to Bitcoin software." ?!
1008501;1423152907;fluffypony;the_scourge: he doesn't have a newsletter
1008502;1423152913;the_scourge;:(
1008503;1423152944;mircea_popescu;;;later tell kanzure saw your enumeration incentives thing. lolz were had.
1008504;1423152944;gribble;The operation succeeded.
1008505;1423152947;the_scourge;fuck another canadian expat. we are fucking awesome
1008506;1423152970;mircea_popescu;Rippleflip_ you know, the only moral here is that spending 1.5 years outside of the wot essentially cost you 1250 btc
1008507;1423152984;mircea_popescu;or w/e chance at that you might have built over the 1.5 years in question.
1008508;1423152988;the_scourge;mircea_popescu: is that incentives whitepaper actualy kanzure ?
1008509;1423152989;thestringpuller;mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=11-12-2014#951402
1008510;1423153001;mircea_popescu;the_scourge i would imagine so, and if not i'll soon find out.
1008511;1423153022;mircea_popescu;!up Rippleflip_
1008512;1423153027;Rippleflip_;thanks
1008513;1423153049;Rippleflip_;mircea_popescu: we will of course use escrow with the buyer
1008514;1423153058;Rippleflip_;so i do not see it essential to being in the WoT
1008515;1423153067;mircea_popescu;heh mkay.
1008516;1423153090;Rippleflip_;#bitcoin-otc laughed at the pricing of 1,250. is it really too much?
1008517;1423153093;mircea_popescu;fluffypony got a link to the actual github in question ?
1008518;1423153095;fluffypony;mircea_popescu: I already told him that when he joined -otc nearly two hours ago
1008519;1423153095;fluffypony;http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=wxtZcttv
1008520;1423153096;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1D28tq5 )
1008521;1423153113;Rippleflip_;fluffypony: told me what?
1008522;1423153121;*;the_scourge is reading whitepapers but would like to pause and say that maybe alf is right, intelligence and creativity are orthoganal to complexity
1008523;1423153122;mircea_popescu;Rippleflip_ to put it plainly : someone who does not see being in wot as esential can not possible have yet done anything whatsoever worth any amount at all, in crypto.
1008524;1423153130;Rippleflip_;mircea_popescu: i do have wot...
1008525;1423153143;mircea_popescu;!gettrust Rippleflip_
1008526;1423153143;assbot;Rippleflip_ is not registered in WoT.
1008527;1423153154;Rippleflip_;look without _
1008528;1423153162;fluffypony;!gettrust Rippleflip
1008529;1423153162;assbot;Rippleflip is not registered in WoT.
1008530;1423153166;fluffypony;guess not
1008531;1423153169;thestringpuller;LOL
1008532;1423153171;Rippleflip;try DaleC
1008533;1423153172;Rippleflip;...
1008534;1423153178;thestringpuller;!gettrust DaleC
1008535;1423153178;assbot;Trust relationship from user thestringpuller to user DaleC: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. | http://w.b-a.link/trust/thestringpuller/DaleC | http://w.b-a.link/user/DaleC
1008536;1423153201;thestringpuller;!gettrust assbot DaleC
1008537;1423153202;assbot;Trust relationship from user assbot to user DaleC: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. | http://w.b-a.link/trust/assbot/DaleC | http://w.b-a.link/user/DaleC
1008538;1423153224;fluffypony;!gettrust DaleC
1008539;1423153225;assbot;Trust relationship from user fluffypony to user DaleC: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. | http://w.b-a.link/trust/fluffypony/DaleC | http://w.b-a.link/user/DaleC
1008540;1423153226;mircea_popescu;;;google Tim Swanson site:trilema.com
1008541;1423153227;gribble;No, you don't have something to say on the topic. pe Trilema - Un ...: <http://trilema.com/2014/no-you-dont-have-something-to-say-on-the-topic/>; The thorny problem of violence, or the miracle of the talking ass. pe ...: <http://trilema.com/2014/the-thorny-problem-of-violence-or-the-miracle-of-the-talking-ass/>; The witch hunt pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.: (1 more message)
1008542;1423153231;fluffypony;sorry Daley
1008543;1423153258;mircea_popescu;Rippleflip tom swanson famously argued the same stuff, from perhaps a better position than you'll find yourself in.
1008544;1423153286;mircea_popescu;actually was it tim. yeah it was tim.
1008545;1423153290;Rippleflip;alright
1008546;1423153302;Rippleflip;anyway, over 1 year in wot already :)
1008547;1423153308;mircea_popescu;so now : take that website, give it away or whatever, go to read the logs for the next year or so.
1008548;1423153319;mircea_popescu;after which, come back, do something useful with your time, that'll actually be worth money.
1008549;1423153327;Rippleflip;thanks for your advice.
1008550;1423153331;mircea_popescu;cheerios.
1008551;1423153336;thestringpuller;he didn't even charge you Rippleflip
1008552;1423153341;thestringpuller;What a nice guy!
1008553;1423153384;the_scourge;would this be a good time to talk about how the mud pie fallacy is VERY apropos :)
1008554;1423153399;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 106086 @ 0.0003924 = 41.6281 BTC [+]
1008555;1423153409;the_scourge;i actually wish there was a marxist around to make it. at this very instant. < speaking of making things insanely complex
1008556;1423153428;fluffypony;lol the_scourge
1008557;1423153467;mircea_popescu;the_scourge myeah. http://trilema.com/2009/capitalism-si-naivitate/ << romanians have the same problem, if it helps anything.
1008558;1423153467;assbot;Capitalism si naivitate. pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.  ... ( http://bit.ly/1D29nDf )
1008559;1423153475;mircea_popescu;in any case it indicates it's a fallacy older than feudalism.
1008560;1423153516;the_scourge;well it's true. my dad was smart enough to say shit like 'it doesn't matter how hard your working if the thing you're working on is useless', and yet today the highest academics actually think that this universal gnon rule can be broken because they invented more complexity?
1008561;1423153542;the_scourge;mircea_popescu: will google translate do that justice?
1008562;1423153575;mircea_popescu;it is more a function of people being removed from the means of production than anything. no living thing will ever accept its pointlessness. as such, cargo cults and mud pies everywhere.
1008563;1423153590;mircea_popescu;the_scourge from experience, not even human translation by billingual hands do my prose justice.
1008564;1423153606;mircea_popescu;i mostly link it to torture people.
1008565;1423153700;the_scourge;mircea_popescu: mission accomplished. i'm going back to reading that whitepaper
1008566;1423153727;mircea_popescu;fluffypony srsly, got a link to the whitepaper's github ? guy's tree's gnarly.
1008567;1423153857;fluffypony;mircea_popescu: I've pinged him to ask where it is
1008568;1423153881;mircea_popescu;a ty
1008569;1423153987;mircea_popescu;!gettrust assbot BigBitz
1008570;1423153988;assbot;Trust relationship from user assbot to user BigBitz: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 3 via 3 connections. | http://w.b-a.link/trust/assbot/BigBitz | http://w.b-a.link/user/BigBitz
1008571;1423153993;mircea_popescu;!up BigBitz
1008572;1423153997;mircea_popescu;you know how to voice ?
1008573;1423154168;BigBitz;Yeah.
1008574;1423154180;BigBitz;I just don't have my key on this terminal.
1008575;1423154184;BigBitz;I am authed with gribble :)
1008576;1423154190;BigBitz;;;ident
1008577;1423154190;gribble;Nick 'BigBitz', with hostmask 'BigBitz!~BigBitz@unaffiliated/bigbitz', is identified as user 'BigBitz', with GPG key id AB6B34E4289B7F96, key fingerprint E6D96C3A035A057AD9DD8A9DAB6B34E4289B7F96, and bitcoin address 1BigBitzyouKT2eVYvHbRUNMkCp9bvAvSu
1008578;1423154241;mircea_popescu;kk jus checking.
1008579;1423154245;BigBitz;:)
1008580;1423154729;fluffypony;mircea_popescu: it's at git://git.wpsoftware.net/bitcoin/alt-essay.git
1008581;1423154753;fluffypony;so no pretty github interface, but git works fine
1008582;1423154808;mircea_popescu;ty
1008583;1423154832;mircea_popescu;curl: (1) Protocol git not supported or disabled in libcurl
1008584;1423154834;mircea_popescu;blergh
1008585;1423154862;mircea_popescu;a kind soul with git installed pls dpaste that shit sometime ty.
1008586;1423155082;the_scourge;mircea_popescu: nix-env -i git-all
1008587;1423155087;the_scourge;"Finally, it should be mentioned that developer-signed blocks are known in the PoS community as
1008588;1423155090;the_scourge;checkpoints. This is a very misleading name because it is already used to describe an anti-denial-of-
1008589;1423155093;the_scourge;service measure of Bitcoin’s peer-to-peer network; Bitcoin’s checkpoints have nothing whatsoever
1008590;1423155096;the_scourge;to do with consensus."
1008591;1423155192;the_scourge;erg sorry for multi line but this does not explain why peercoin's checkpoints won't work. we should call them something else if the word is causing a problem in discussing it
1008592;1423155313;fluffypony;the_scourge: because with Bitcoin checkpoints are optional, and won't be needed eventually. with PeerCoin they will always be needed (for pure PoS).
1008593;1423155325;fluffypony;otherwise they're open to stake-grinding attacks the minute they take them away
1008594;1423155358;fluffypony;whereas with Bitcoin if you remove the checkpoints nobody has enough hashing power to be able to rewrite history back several thousand blocks
1008595;1423155367;fluffypony;or wherever the last checkpoint was
1008596;1423155410;mircea_popescu;in other words : in bitcoin checkpoints exist mostly because the protocol is strong, and the power rangers are trying to leech strength to prop their own shitty code.
1008597;1423155421;mircea_popescu;in ppcoin they exist because the protocol is very weak, even weaker than the code,
1008598;1423155432;mircea_popescu;and the local power rangers are trying to prop both by fiat.
1008599;1423155437;mircea_popescu;(ie, their own trust)
1008600;1423155755;the_scourge;at some point, the checkpoints in ppcoin won't be needed
1008601;1423155767;punkman;when it's dead?
1008602;1423155796;the_scourge;'cause the coin-days of legitimate holders will far exceed whatever a grinder could possibly come up with
1008603;1423155862;the_scourge;i don't see very much difference between that and PoW blockchains which have vulnerabilities early on, and can't be truly invulnerable until legitimate mining is consuming 51% of the earth's electricity
1008604;1423155879;the_scourge;until that point, it's still just probability
1008605;1423155975;mircea_popescu;you're committing the shaman mistake. that is to say, the mistake to believe categories in your mind have objective substance.
1008606;1423155976;the_scourge;ppcoin is more of an agorist/WoT effort to get past that post. more activity, more coin-days, more legitimate: less chance of a grinding attack. until that point, you're hoping that the highly improbable does't happen. how is that different?
1008607;1423155981;mircea_popescu;there's no such thing as a "legitimate holder"
1008608;1423156008;the_scourge;WoT is proof that there is 'legitimate holder', n'est pas?
1008609;1423156010;mircea_popescu;it's a post hoc determination, and for this reason can not be used in any phenomena discussion.
1008610;1423156029;scoopbot;New post on Trilema by Mircea Popescu: http://trilema.com/2015/im-not-sure-i-can-truly-convey-the-lulz/
1008611;1423156189;mircea_popescu;the difference from the wot is actually quite instructive. in the wot, one is at the liberty to consider history, but in no sense required to do so. in your model, one automatically is held to consider history. it's true that they both to some degree rely on the continuation fallacy,
1008612;1423156206;mircea_popescu;however once that's automatic everything changes. which is why the wot can not be automated.
1008613;1423156337;the_scourge;automated can mean 2 things: 1. reduce the roteness, man the hard things easy 2. skynet
1008614;1423156349;the_scourge;*make
1008615;1423156420;the_scourge;and considering i'm a NRx'er, i'm pretty sure i'm for the former and against the latter
1008616;1423156440;the_scourge;*an NRx'er
1008617;1423156492;mircea_popescu;i dunno what most of these are.
1008618;1423156533;the_scourge;NRx is just shorthand for neoreaction
1008619;1423156585;mircea_popescu;like shorthand for "yarvin's readership" ?
1008620;1423156598;the_scourge;but basically, post-libertarianism. therefore bitcoin is designed with the wrong assumptions about society. it's designed by progressives. every person in the world born after 1805 is a progressive, more or less
1008621;1423156630;mircea_popescu;...
1008622;1423156638;the_scourge;i think it's a misconception that yarvin started NRx or even is/was a leader in any way. he's a good writer. he is NRx, yes
1008623;1423156643;mircea_popescu;can youstick to one nonsequitur per paragraph, instead of one per sentence.
1008624;1423156652;mircea_popescu;nobody can chase an explosion of rabbits.
1008625;1423156689;the_scourge;please point them out, i'll not say a word in the meantime
1008626;1423156782;mircea_popescu;so let's leave aside the "therefore" bitcoin this and that, as i dun have the energy. instead, re "nrx" : i have little doubt that there are some kids in the us that thought the one repackaging of stuff they ran across is somehow more significant than all the repackagings they don't know, and definitely more significant than the originals. and that they need a name and so on. this exercise in nominalism does not instit
1008627;1423156782;mircea_popescu;ute them as important, contrary to the tenets of the us religion of marketing.
1008628;1423156806;mircea_popescu;so i'm not too inclined to see any of these lables as anything more than "ignorant kids from the us web". be it "nrx" or "neoreaction" or etc.
1008629;1423156822;mircea_popescu;now, that make any sense ?
1008630;1423156882;the_scourge;yes
1008631;1423156901;mircea_popescu;ok. this much given, it can never be denied that the repackager of any one is, for all purposes, the 'leader'.
1008632;1423156935;mircea_popescu;the entire thing having no further substance past repackaging, obviously the coca cola company is the coca cola thing, and yarvin is the "nrx" thing.
1008633;1423156939;mircea_popescu;that much make sense ?
1008634;1423157013;the_scourge;uh, about my first yes, i should have said i understood where you're coming from, but i'm not sure you're observations are at all correct. on the second yes, you're very much wrong
1008635;1423157029;the_scourge;*second ... checkpoint :)
1008636;1423157036;mircea_popescu;so then on the 2nd, "no, you're very much wrong"
1008637;1423157038;fluffypony;GPG guy: http://www.propublica.org/article/the-worlds-email-encryption-software-relies-on-one-guy-who-is-going-broke
1008638;1423157040;assbot;The World’s Email Encryption Software Relies on One Guy, Who is Going Broke - ProPublica ... ( http://bit.ly/1Cybgc4 )
1008639;1423157054;mircea_popescu;fluffypony reheheheally.
1008640;1423157073;fluffypony;thought it might be slightly relevant
1008641;1423157076;mircea_popescu;fuck him, after gpg2 i'm happy to hear.
1008642;1423157174;fluffypony;omfg wikipedia is down
1008643;1423157174;the_scourge;fluffypony: it is relevant. this is another sign that society will colapse and i and many others were TOTALLY misguided on many thing in the last days of the empire
1008644;1423157180;fluffypony;err'one panci
1008645;1423157182;fluffypony;*panic
1008646;1423157206;the_scourge;well who didn't pay them
1008647;1423157219;fluffypony;the_scourge: I think we're going to end up like the people in Wall-E
1008648;1423157224;*;the_scourge raises hand < don't call me a prick, no one else did
1008649;1423157240;fluffypony;http://blogs.elpais.com/.a/6a00d8341bfb1653ef017d4158076b970c-pi
1008650;1423157242;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1DJuuZo )
1008651;1423157243;the_scourge;fluffypony: never seen it, would idiocracy be a similar example?
1008652;1423157278;the_scourge;la wik is up again
1008653;1423157280;fluffypony;oh my
1008654;1423157287;fluffypony;let me see if there's a snippet
1008655;1423157312;fluffypony;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5kngspqvHa0
1008656;1423157313;assbot;Wall-E Fat People - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1DJuKHX )
1008657;1423157320;mircea_popescu;http://www.imsdb.com/scripts/Wall-E.html this /
1008658;1423157322;assbot;Wall-E Script at IMSDb. ... ( http://bit.ly/1DJuMiM )
1008659;1423157325;fluffypony;or this one: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vy0DDuf8fYw
1008660;1423157326;assbot;Wall-E ... Social Media funny fat people - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1DJuMPW )
1008661;1423157332;mircea_popescu;Warning: mysql_select_db() expects parameter 2 to be resource, boolean given in /home/imsdb/public_html/dbscon.php on line 5 << ahaha epic
1008662;1423157352;*;the_scourge fires up tribler, i think mrs scourge would enjoy that one!
1008663;1423157659;punkman;yarvin is the "nrx" thing. <- if not yarvin, who?
1008664;1423157726;the_scourge;there are hundreds of writers. probably thousands like myself who haven't got a public profile.
1008665;1423157734;the_scourge;do you want me to start rattling off urls?
1008666;1423157740;mircea_popescu;by all means.
1008667;1423157759;punkman;there is the LessWrong crowd, and the guy that left to make MoreRight
1008668;1423157761;mircea_popescu;last time intel got the job to diagnose this (after princessnell brought it up) it turned out there's maybe a few dozen blogs, all dead.
1008669;1423157781;punkman;but yarvin pretty much came up with the term "neoreactionary"
1008670;1423157850;punkman;I'm sure there's a whole bunch of "writers" that saw "NRx" and thought "hey, Rx is the good stuff right"
1008671;1423157853;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 121189 @ 0.00039296 = 47.6224 BTC [+] {2} 
1008672;1423157859;mircea_popescu;lmai
1008673;1423157909;mircea_popescu;actually it wouldn't surpriose me to find that's the process through which it was invented. all like nlp and shit, yarvin sat down and figured hey, this is going to positively attract the esl retards.
1008674;1423157915;mircea_popescu;(where esl = english as a sole language)
1008675;1423157963;*;fluffypony twitches every time he sees "nlp"
1008676;1423157980;punkman;hey nlp is natural language processing, good stuff
1008677;1423157985;fluffypony;hah hah
1008678;1423157995;mircea_popescu;nlp is like, "the law of attaction", before it was dumbed down for daytime tv.
1008679;1423158017;mircea_popescu;nlp/tloa
1008680;1423158050;the_scourge;nick land, freenortherner, dalrock, sunshinemary, socialmatter.net darwinianreactionary.wordpress.com, anarchopapist, anomalyUK, cappy (captain capitalism) < all these have posts within the last week or less
1008681;1423158062;mircea_popescu;there's something to be said for a society so dumb, even the scams have to be dumbed down lower and lower each generation.
1008682;1423158080;punkman;the_scourge: well now it's "cool" to write about it
1008683;1423158082;mircea_popescu;and the something that's to be said is : hory shit that puts isis, china and everyone else in a bad light
1008684;1423158118;the_scourge;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harald_Eia
1008685;1423158119;assbot;Harald Eia - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ... ( http://bit.ly/1Cydubr )
1008686;1423158160;mircea_popescu;whoa that guy looks sXe
1008687;1423158186;pete_dushenski;heya the_scourge did you ever read http://www.contravex.com/2015/01/17/spending-all-your-time-figuring-out-what-kind-of-ism-you-and-your-friends-believe-in-so-that-you-can-call-each-other-whatever-ists-is-no-way-to-improve-the-world/ ?
1008688;1423158188;assbot;Spending all your time figuring out what kind of “-ism” you and your friends believe in so that you can call each other “whatever-ists” is no way to improve the world. | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski ... ( http://bit.ly/1CydE2w )
1008689;1423158219;pete_dushenski;some of your fellow nx'ers picked up on an article of mine
1008690;1423158226;pete_dushenski;nick land kicked it off
1008691;1423158259;mircea_popescu;pete_dushenski the proposition that kids should (or want to) "improve the world" is untenable.
1008692;1423158271;mircea_popescu;they are busy with much more suited tasks : picking a group and figuring the hierarchy.
1008693;1423158275;the_scourge;pete_dushenski: are you contravex.com ?
1008694;1423158277;mike_c;but that title :D  awesome.
1008695;1423158286;mircea_popescu;mike_c that it is :D
1008696;1423158303;pete_dushenski;mircea_popescu: lol i guess so
1008697;1423158306;punkman;maybe "improve your world"
1008698;1423158321;mircea_popescu;but it IS a perfectly valid if not the only available means for them to improve hteir world.
1008699;1423158321;pete_dushenski;but from the perspective of reality-divorced idealists...
1008700;1423158334;mircea_popescu;a while back they could also improve it by handing out at elbow of papa while papa worked
1008701;1423158337;mircea_popescu;but now that's illegal.
1008702;1423158341;pete_dushenski;the_scourge: mhm tis i
1008703;1423158375;mircea_popescu;pete_dushenski anyway, it's actually been in the logs.
1008704;1423158376;the_scourge;pete_dushenski: well poseidon isn't wrong you are reactionary
1008705;1423158379;mircea_popescu;!s nrx
1008706;1423158380;assbot;10 results for 'nrx' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=nrx
1008707;1423158380;pete_dushenski;mike_c: ha ya i went for an mp-esque long one there
1008708;1423158387;mircea_popescu;!s neoreaction
1008709;1423158387;assbot;9 results for 'neoreaction' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=neoreaction
1008710;1423158391;mircea_popescu;hm wtf.
1008711;1423158427;punkman;!s moldbug
1008712;1423158428;assbot;103 results for 'moldbug' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=moldbug
1008713;1423158442;mircea_popescu;ah there we go, it's right, i forgot it indexes after a delay.
1008714;1423158444;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=05-05-2014#660125
1008715;1423158444;assbot;Logged on 05-05-2014 01:39:07; mircea_popescu: i also picked up "nrx" today
1008716;1423158585;the_scourge;i agree with everyone's sentiment regarding hipsters trying to figure out what ism they are. as someone who's had to earn all his priviledge, i went to uni with such people but cannot relate to them much. however didn't we just tell mr BigBitz and partner that it doesn't matter how hard you work, if you're working on the wrong thing?
1008717;1423158586;mircea_popescu;pete_dushenski http://www.contravex.com/2015/01/17/spending-all-your-time-figuring-out-what-kind-of-ism-you-and-your-friends-believe-in-so-that-you-can-call-each-other-whatever-ists-is-no-way-to-improve-the-world/#comment-8560 << alrenous guy seems pretty cogent.
1008718;1423158587;assbot;Spending all your time figuring out what kind of “-ism” you and your friends believe in so that you can call each other “whatever-ists” is no way to improve the world. | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski ... ( http://bit.ly/1Cyeqwx )
1008719;1423158618;mircea_popescu;the_scourge so how do these two come together in your reasoning there ?
1008720;1423158655;mircea_popescu;!up BigBitz
1008721;1423158663;the_scourge;right, so we know that working on a stupid protocol or technology is just wasting time. what about working within a social framework which is even more broken?
1008722;1423158665;BigBitz;You told me, what?
1008723;1423158694;BigBitz;the_scourge ... ?
1008724;1423158696;mircea_popescu;the_scourge but you see the difference between working on and working within ?
1008725;1423158709;the_scourge;BigBitz: sorry, was it your friend Rippleflip who was the proprietor of those sites
1008726;1423158710;mircea_popescu;like, working on a mud pie is stupid, working in a badly designed house may or may not be stupid ?
1008727;1423158712;the_scourge;?
1008728;1423158714;BigBitz;my friend, lol.
1008729;1423158715;BigBitz;No.
1008730;1423158726;BigBitz;I have no idea who he is. I banned him from -otc originally.
1008731;1423158743;BigBitz;don't associate me with him ;)
1008732;1423158760;the_scourge;oh! ... i joined today at the point where you said "opportunity of a lifetime" < perhaps slightly /sarc ? :)
1008733;1423158768;BigBitz;massively.
1008734;1423158768;the_scourge;BigBitz: i won't, sorry!
1008735;1423158800;the_scourge;mircea_popescu: i can see the difference
1008736;1423158819;mircea_popescu;;;later tell pete_dushenski if you got the guy's email by virtue of him commenting, and you don't mind, drop him a note saying i loathe blogspot, but if he has time drop by for a chat.
1008737;1423158820;gribble;The operation succeeded.
1008738;1423158845;the_scourge;i think "badly designed" might be giving too much credence
1008739;1423158870;mircea_popescu;the_scourge the standing advice for all usians has been "get the fuck out of the us" for at least a year.
1008740;1423158888;mircea_popescu;some people listen, most don't, which hey. sounds almost like irl.
1008741;1423158893;scoopbot;New post on Trilema by Mircea Popescu: http://trilema.com/2015/mpif-fmpif-january-2015-statement/
1008742;1423158976;mircea_popescu;the jews found themselves in a similar situation all through the 30s.
1008743;1423158992;mircea_popescu;(and in this perspective, the holocaust is proper and well deserved fucking punishment. next time - listen better.)
1008744;1423159017;the_scourge;mircea_popescu: good advice but as a non-USian who has spent 90% of his life outside the US and 100% of his adult life outside of N/A, and has lived in non-western places as well, i think there could be something said for living for a short while in california or new england
1008745;1423159035;mircea_popescu;yeah, but in the 90s.
1008746;1423159039;mircea_popescu;mebbe 00s.
1008747;1423159059;the_scourge;why? the cracks weren't as obvious then
1008748;1423159076;the_scourge;i lived in socal in mid-90s. i could see them, but they were not obvious
1008749;1423159088;the_scourge;i think a teenager today would find them obvious.
1008750;1423159119;mircea_popescu;kinda the proof that it's too late.
1008751;1423159139;the_scourge;too late to prepare?
1008752;1423159145;mircea_popescu;no, too late to bother visiting.
1008753;1423159165;the_scourge;why would you go other than to see the cracks and be warned?
1008754;1423159203;mircea_popescu;the only reason one'd ever go to either republic, would be to fuck college girls.
1008755;1423159207;pete_dushenski;mircea_popescu: definitely. i'm answering one of his comments right now, as it so happens
1008756;1423159274;punkman;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=05-02-2015#1008336 << this is now stuck at 124275
1008757;1423159274;assbot;Logged on 05-02-2015 15:41:29; punkman: running a node with this line removed: http://btc.yt/lxr/satoshi/source/src/main.cpp#0939 . works so far
1008758;1423159288;the_scourge;pete_dushenski: you seem to have read some of nick land
1008759;1423159312;pete_dushenski;the_scourge: a handful, sure
1008760;1423159334;pete_dushenski;i think i referenced another one of his articles in the comments section of that first one
1008761;1423159346;pete_dushenski;it wasn't half-bad
1008762;1423159355;pete_dushenski;some strong points, some weaker ones
1008763;1423159460;pete_dushenski;the_scourge: http://www.contravex.com/2015/01/17/spending-all-your-time-figuring-out-what-kind-of-ism-you-and-your-friends-believe-in-so-that-you-can-call-each-other-whatever-ists-is-no-way-to-improve-the-world/#comment-8576
1008764;1423159462;assbot;Spending all your time figuring out what kind of “-ism” you and your friends believe in so that you can call each other “whatever-ists” is no way to improve the world. | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski ... ( http://bit.ly/1Cyhbhe )
1008765;1423159463;the_scourge;lol but you quote moldbug as nick land!
1008766;1423159473;the_scourge;pete_dushenski: ^ fix that quick!
1008767;1423159515;pete_dushenski;the_scourge: lol read more closely
1008768;1423159525;pete_dushenski;i said that it was nick's article
1008769;1423159540;pete_dushenski;on his blog, not that he was the author of the points
1008770;1423159559;pete_dushenski;nick calls it "his manifesto"
1008771;1423159560;the_scourge;ok fine
1008772;1423159564;the_scourge;what....
1008773;1423159565;pete_dushenski;;)
1008774;1423159566;the_scourge;wut?
1008775;1423159568;the_scourge;really?
1008776;1423159612;pete_dushenski;"If there is a ‘we’ — this is what we believe." <<
1008777;1423159624;pete_dushenski;if that's not a manifesto...
1008778;1423159639;mircea_popescu;it seems to me this entire "we" whatever it is, if it had any sense whatever, would show up here.
1008779;1423159658;mircea_popescu;it's unclear if we politically agree or not, but it is not yet in any sense clear we disagree to any degree, and more importantly, we have nuclear weapons.
1008780;1423159662;mircea_popescu;they do not.
1008781;1423159688;mircea_popescu;so in the sense western "intellectuals" migrated to russia in the 30s, they're stuck migrating here anyway.
1008782;1423159732;pete_dushenski;alrenous' invite: http://www.contravex.com/2015/01/31/on-pretending-googling-is-still-a-thing-that-works/#comment-9857
1008783;1423159733;assbot;On pretending “Googling” is still a thing that works any more than “USG” | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski ... ( http://bit.ly/1Cyi3m8 )
1008784;1423159748;the_scourge;oh yah he takes it as a manifesto. obviously my reaction would only be for those who are meticulously combing through UR, and haven't even bothered to have a gander at xenosystems yet
1008785;1423159801;mircea_popescu;"What is this? The first*, the biggest** and the best*** IRC community." kakobrekla you sly* dog** you*** :D
1008786;1423159808;pete_dushenski;mircea_popescu: this exactly. twas my comment about nrx not grokking economics, money, and the fundaments of power
1008787;1423159824;kakobrekla;mircea_popescu see footnotes :p
1008788;1423159827;mircea_popescu;night's still young
1008789;1423159832;mircea_popescu;kakobrekla o i have :)
1008790;1423159836;kakobrekla;a ok:)
1008791;1423159870;mircea_popescu;"Say what? http://log.bitcoin-assets.com" < can this be "Say what? http://log.bitcoin-assets.com << Read this. Now."
1008792;1423159872;assbot;#bitcoin-assets log ... ( http://bit.ly/1CyinRO )
1008793;1423159968;the_scourge;the question is, have NRx found out that we actually live in a world where 'nuclear' weapons don't do anything? that's potentially one of the corellaries to the entire argument
1008794;1423160034;mircea_popescu;coro
1008795;1423160073;mircea_popescu;mod6: looks like 'i've only got 1: blk0001.dat, 985Mb <<< heh how about that, first 168k blocks fit in 1gb, the next 168k blocks fit in 35 gb.
1008796;1423160105;mircea_popescu;if the next 168k blocks fit in 1.25 tb we're so fucked...
1008797;1423160169;pete_dushenski;the_scourge: i've read more xeno that ur, it so happens
1008798;1423160185;pete_dushenski;the_scourge: and nuclear weapons most definitely do something
1008799;1423160185;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes: <mircea_popescu> chick's so drastically ugly tho... << pretty indicative of the tail to which us brass has access << kinda my supposition yeah. kinda sad if true. the competition to be him is at least 100k to 1. the competition to be her ? it's like superunitary, 0.x to 1.
1008800;1423160188;the_scourge;pete_dushenski: ah that explains my crossed wires
1008801;1423160210;mircea_popescu;pete_dushenski which is this xeno thing it seems familiar somehow
1008802;1423160220;pete_dushenski;we're essentially assembled here to make sure wmds do something productive
1008803;1423160275;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo: Everyone who wanted qntra to have a category page << remove the <li>, separate them by ; instead ?
1008804;1423160276;pete_dushenski;mircea_popescu: nick land's blog. what first put me on to "nrx" as per http://www.xenosystems.net/quote-note-144/
1008805;1423160279;assbot;Outside in - Involvements with reality » Blog Archive   » Quote note (#144) ... ( http://bit.ly/1Cyjgd6 )
1008806;1423160291;mircea_popescu;oh now i know whence i know him, he linked to me a few times.
1008807;1423160303;mircea_popescu;!s nick land
1008808;1423160303;assbot;4 results for 'nick land' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=nick+land
1008809;1423160332;pete_dushenski;not hugely surprising
1008810;1423160343;pete_dushenski;that he STILL hasn't showed up here... is
1008811;1423160365;mircea_popescu;Bitcoin address: 18YKtNeAy43kFVBzynHeusiaiiAa8pCZFP no less.
1008812;1423160370;pete_dushenski;how long do people have to admire from a distance before talking to the pretty girl ?
1008813;1423160394;pete_dushenski;particularly when the pretty girl is friendly and open to conversation like 20/24 hrs every day
1008814;1423160406;mircea_popescu;https://blockchain.info/address/18YKtNeAy43kFVBzynHeusiaiiAa8pCZFP << sole txn lol.
1008815;1423160408;assbot;Bitcoin Address 18YKtNeAy43kFVBzynHeusiaiiAa8pCZFP ... ( http://bit.ly/1CyjrFa )
1008816;1423160409;pete_dushenski;on a digital forum where you don't even need to fuss about body language
1008817;1423160464;ben_vulpes;<kakobrekla> [] http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=05-02-2015#1008005 < did no such thing << my mistake, figured it out
1008818;1423160464;assbot;Logged on 05-02-2015 06:53:48; ben_vulpes: i know you don't like the guy, but nuking his record?
1008819;1423160471;the_scourge;pete_dushenski: because most don't quite understand the point. i kinda get the perceived problem (thanks to alf) but the solution, while cool, hasn't struck me as nuclear (yet)
1008820;1423160480;ben_vulpes;anyways, good morning
1008821;1423160496;mircea_popescu;pete_dushenski you were on twatter right ?
1008822;1423160505;pete_dushenski;mircea_popescu: yep
1008823;1423160515;pete_dushenski;ben_vulpes: morning!
1008824;1423160519;mircea_popescu;ask @Outsideness if he still has the priv key to that bitcoin addy ?
1008825;1423160552;pete_dushenski;the_scourge: it does take a significant amount of interest in investing, monetary history, politics, to grasp
1008826;1423160563;trinque;anybody know how to tell btcd to start from a previous block and re-generate the rest?
1008827;1423160590;mircea_popescu;glwt.
1008828;1423160601;trinque;that fuss about orphan blocks in btcd's log the other day was a jacked drive, killed 3 ldb files out of 15k
1008829;1423160644;mircea_popescu;danielpbarron <command-line>:0:0: warning: "_FORTIFY_SOURCE" redefined << that doesn't sound so good.
1008830;1423160659;mircea_popescu;somehow running a duplicate along with the original or something ?
1008831;1423160659;the_scourge;pete_dushenski: yah, i thought i had a modicum of those things and while i totally grasp it, my age + intution is doing this thing saying: it would never pan out like that anyways"
1008832;1423160675;pete_dushenski;https://twitter.com/pete_dushenski/status/563402724666900480
1008833;1423160677;assbot;Hey /Outsideness, I'm curious: do you still have the private key for this address ? https://t.co/4euFxZqSW8
1008834;1423160684;danielpbarron;mircea_popescu, that's a compilation error
1008835;1423160723;pete_dushenski;the_scourge: huh funny thing that intuition sometimes
1008836;1423160736;pete_dushenski;mine told me the exact opposite
1008837;1423160739;mircea_popescu;the_scourge the nuclear part is explained here : http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=21-01-2015#987147
1008838;1423160739;assbot;Logged on 21-01-2015 23:53:56; mircea_popescu: jurov for what it's worth, here's my experience with bitcoin remittances : i sent btc to otc correspondents, ordered wires sent out to the hk account of my local agent, who has paid me dollars, in cash, in argentina. the entire process took less than what it takes to get a letter of credit, and significantly less than what international trade normally settles in.
1008839;1423160764;danielpbarron;and it turns out there's an error before that one; currently trying to compile as root in case it's something i messed up with the cross compiler install
1008840;1423160771;mircea_popescu;ahak
1008841;1423160787;the_scourge;pete_dushenski: but i need to formulate my concerns. it's mostly to do with ... if you've succeeded in preserving a clean, elegant, un-pwnable bitcoind variant, then all the poser cyperpunks GTFO, leaving only a small minority of (VERY valuable BTC) who are then in a VERY phys-sec vulnerable position
1008842;1423160800;the_scourge;but i need to write this out in a better way ^
1008843;1423160805;the_scourge;reading link
1008844;1423160844;pete_dushenski;the_scourge: ya the "phys-sec" thing is something i've heard about for years and years now
1008845;1423160875;pete_dushenski;to which bitcoin responds: 1) deniability, and 2) fuck you
1008846;1423160895;mircea_popescu;pete_dushenski yeah. me too. specifically : here. most recently, http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=31-01-2015#999217
1008847;1423160895;assbot;Logged on 31-01-2015 01:25:17; mircea_popescu: so no, when i'm talking about hanging each and every us bureaucrat, through a war crimes court, within our lifetime i am not being in any sense and to any degree metaphorical.
1008848;1423160917;mircea_popescu;but more generally, http://trilema.com/2014/georg-ritter-von-flondor-and-what-his-unhappy-life-can-teach-us/
1008849;1423160918;assbot;Georg Ritter von Flondor, and what his unhappy life can teach us pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.  ... ( http://bit.ly/16vmosh )
1008850;1423160924;pete_dushenski;did the kings and aristocrats that nrx'ers so rose-tintedly adore stay under their sheets all day ?
1008851;1423160945;mircea_popescu;mno.
1008852;1423160965;pete_dushenski;right
1008853;1423160976;mircea_popescu;anyway : the only people in a very untenable phys-sec position are the various bureaucrats, us or otherwise.
1008854;1423160978;pete_dushenski;so why would we, their heirs ?
1008855;1423160978;mircea_popescu;we'll be fine.
1008856;1423161009;pete_dushenski;the_scourge: it's worth noting that most people "in bitcoin" tremble in fear a lot
1008857;1423161018;the_scourge;reading
1008858;1423161020;pete_dushenski;mostly because that's what they've always done
1008859;1423161057;the_scourge;woah deja vue
1008860;1423161065;pete_dushenski;this is where we flip the table and say, "now hold on just a minute. if we have the power, and we do, who should be scared of who now?"
1008861;1423161071;the_scourge;i remember seeing that war crimes comment a LONG time ago
1008862;1423161088;the_scourge;and i'm pretty sure i came in here to ask about it...
1008863;1423161122;pete_dushenski;hang out here long enough and your fears about phys-sec (and most other things) slowly dissipate
1008864;1423161137;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform: 'the new state-of-the-art destroyer << is this the story that late bogart film was based on ? "mutiny on the bounty" i think it was called.
1008865;1423161146;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 1700 @ 0.00096968 = 1.6485 BTC [+] {6} 
1008866;1423161156;mircea_popescu;the_scourge if you did log probably has the line somewhere.
1008867;1423161217;the_scourge;pete_dushenski: what... how are we the heirs???
1008868;1423161236;mircea_popescu;jews don't understand this heritage concept like normal people.
1008869;1423161268;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 52100 @ 0.00039193 = 20.4196 BTC [-]
1008870;1423161345;pete_dushenski;the_scourge: i suppose this is another admonition not to use "we"
1008871;1423161385;the_scourge;ok hang on. are you REALLY saying that greed is more powerful and delusion (or religion)? because if you want to buy hitmen or hold the entire world ransom to a dirty bomb or nuclear warheads, you're going to 1. have to find really fucking greedy nuclear engineers and/or suicide bombers and/or military guys
1008872;1423161402;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform: when you plug a lamp into a mains socket, is that also a 'streaming query' ? << win :D
1008873;1423161404;the_scourge;*that delusion or religion
1008874;1423161411;pete_dushenski;mircea_popescu: lol so it would seem
1008875;1423161424;mircea_popescu;the_scourge you don't understand how the world works :)
1008876;1423161452;the_scourge;mircea_popescu: have you ever seen someone explode themselves to influence the course of history? i have, in person
1008877;1423161458;the_scourge;it wasn't for bitcoin or fiat
1008878;1423161477;mircea_popescu;this is not what's being discussed. you proceed from the naive locus where the bureaucrat somehow= the entire world.
1008879;1423161479;the_scourge;an btw the progressive delusion is FAR more powerful that the allah delusion, it's more craft and more sublte
1008880;1423161481;mircea_popescu;nothing can be further from the truth.
1008881;1423161489;mircea_popescu;the only subhuman profession is bureaucracy.
1008882;1423161503;mircea_popescu;there's no need to hold anyone hostage to enact a public gutting of government servants.
1008883;1423161508;mircea_popescu;it's their natural fate.
1008884;1423161517;the_scourge;dude i am arguing the exact opposite. the beueaucrat has NOT power whatsoever. that is the entire point
1008885;1423161523;pete_dushenski;the_scourge: i'd say allah's been around longer so... lindy effect
1008886;1423161525;mircea_popescu;cool. so they're getting it.
1008887;1423161559;mircea_popescu;<mircea_popescu> anyway : the only people in a very untenable phys-sec position are the various bureaucrats, us or otherwise. <<
1008888;1423161573;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26750 @ 0.00039193 = 10.4841 BTC [-]
1008889;1423161595;the_scourge;right, but the religionists might defend them (or their right to a trial) to the death
1008890;1423161598;mircea_popescu;see also the always popular
1008891;1423161602;mircea_popescu;!s we know where you live
1008892;1423161603;assbot;4 results for 'we know where you live' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=we+know+where+you+live
1008893;1423161615;mircea_popescu;sure sure, or else jesus might visit.
1008894;1423161622;the_scourge;wtf
1008895;1423161628;pete_dushenski;...assuming "progressives" are in the french revolutionary vein
1008896;1423161630;the_scourge;i don't understand waht that has to do with it
1008897;1423161648;the_scourge;pete_dushenski: they all are
1008898;1423161657;mircea_popescu;lolz.
1008899;1423161658;the_scourge;it's homogenous, this is provable
1008900;1423161665;mircea_popescu;i guess then it will get proven.
1008901;1423161686;mircea_popescu;anyway, tell gavin i'm off to eat.
1008902;1423161704;pete_dushenski;the_scourge: all = modern only. rousseau didn't invent socialism
1008903;1423161708;the_scourge;mircea_popescu: sure, i'll pick it up later, remember your question
1008904;1423161729;the_scourge;all = the ones we have to worry about
1008905;1423161748;pete_dushenski;perhaps, but not the only ones to learn from
1008906;1423161774;pete_dushenski;and it's not clear to me that religionists are going to risk their necks for paper-pushers
1008907;1423161784;the_scourge;wait, are you suggesting that socialism isn't part of The Cathedral?
1008908;1423161805;pete_dushenski;tc being... ?
1008909;1423161809;the_scourge;pete_dushenski: by religionists, i mean atheists
1008910;1423161833;pete_dushenski;meh "atheists" are just as religious as the next
1008911;1423161845;pete_dushenski;their alter is scientism
1008912;1423161857;the_scourge;no, we need to end this conv.
1008913;1423161879;the_scourge;because that's not what i mean at all.
1008914;1423161885;the_scourge;er.. not end, just pause for a sec
1008915;1423161923;pete_dushenski;no rush
1008916;1423161935;the_scourge;pete_dushenski: if you read how dawkins got pwned, then you'll understand what i mean by religionists
1008917;1423161959;pete_dushenski;dawkins got pwned ?
1008918;1423161969;*;pete_dushenski is ignorant of this
1008919;1423162001;the_scourge;actually to be honest you really need to the gentle introduction and take the red pill, do the original sources on the revolutionary war, then read the dawkins stuff, then 'open letter'
1008920;1423162019;the_scourge;http://unqualified-reservations.blogspot.co.uk/2007/09/how-dawkins-got-pwned-part-1.html
1008921;1423162020;assbot;Unqualified Reservations: How Dawkins got pwned (part 1) ... ( http://bit.ly/1CymDRd )
1008922;1423162110;chetty;so what ya'll think about the 'journalist' caught in the big lie? will it help people 'get it' about the news?
1008923;1423162149;the_scourge;chetty: are you talking about CHris Kyle? ... i guess he is a 'journalist' lol
1008924;1423162152;the_scourge;*was
1008925;1423162171;pete_dushenski;The God delusion is a parasitic meme because, being alien to reason, it does not serve the interests of the host. << utter nonsense
1008926;1423162194;the_scourge;pete_dushenski: explain?
1008927;1423162209;pete_dushenski;that's quite specifically what religion is for: coping, thus survival
1008928;1423162249;the_scourge;pete_dushenski: you've obviously not aquainted yourself with NRx at all. if you chose to read a little and open your mind, it will hurt for several days
1008929;1423162290;the_scourge;but yes, we have all been taught our whole lives that religion is for coping, atheists worship 'science', etc etc
1008930;1423162319;the_scourge;trust me, those assertions seem like total nonsense to me now, even though i fully believed them as recently as 3 weeks ago
1008931;1423162351;*;the_scourge was a total progressive. a libertarian, tory, ancap progressive
1008932;1423162369;the_scourge;pete_dushenski: are you american?
1008933;1423162370;pete_dushenski;whatever is was, it got you here right?
1008934;1423162402;pete_dushenski;the_scourge: i'm in edmonton. and iirc you're in canada too
1008935;1423162403;mike_c; <+the_scourge> trust me, those assertions seem like total nonsense to me now, even though i fully believed them as recently as 3 weeks ago << imagine what you'll whole heartedly believe a month from now!
1008936;1423162487;the_scourge;mike_c: i'm starting to think that i've taken a pill which ran an end-run around #b-a ... not sure yet
1008937;1423162530;the_scourge;pete_dushenski: oh yah cool BC is my stomping grounds but i worked in eddyville for a few summers
1008938;1423162567;pete_dushenski;the summer's the time to be here :)
1008939;1423162584;chetty;<the_scourge> chetty: are you talking about CHris Kyle? ... i guess he is a 'journalist' lol// no Brian Williams
1008940;1423162744;trinque;+the_scourge | mike_c: i'm starting to think that i've taken a pill which ran an end-run around #b-a ... not sure yet << I came for the bitcoin, stayed for the mindfuck
1008941;1423162797;chetty;<trinque> +the_scourge | mike_c: i'm starting to think that i've taken a pill which ran an end-run around #b-a ... not sure yet << I came for the bitcoin, stayed for the mindfuck// aren't they the same thing?
1008942;1423162811;the_scourge;trinque: ok, having experienced both, i'm pretty sure old moldbug is a much better mindfuck
1008943;1423162940;punkman;contemplation takes time
1008944;1423162953;punkman;pill taking not encouraged
1008945;1423162965;the_scourge;i agree the perspective here is refreshing and contrarian
1008946;1423162974;the_scourge;but it only goes halfway
1008947;1423163007;pete_dushenski;kinda soon to make that call neh?
1008948;1423163045;ben_vulpes;hey so why did the hipster burn himself on his coffee?
1008949;1423163066;lobbes;he drank it before it was cool
1008950;1423163073;trinque;heyooo
1008951;1423163076;mircea_popescu;anyway, where were we.
1008952;1423163077;ben_vulpes;ka-zing
1008953;1423163094;pete_dushenski;mircea_popescu: we were halfway...
1008954;1423163126;the_scourge;pete_dushenski: probably, yes. i do like to hear things out. but i wish it was more prosaic in this case!
1008955;1423163176;pete_dushenski;ah but then you'd miss out on the mosaic!
1008956;1423163210;the_scourge;obviously not everyone in the world enjoys prose, otherwise everyone in the world would agree with modlbug that atheists worship equality, not science
1008957;1423163237;mircea_popescu;the_scourge: wait, are you suggesting that socialism isn't part of The Cathedral? << a) "the cathedral" is about as solid a concept as moldbug's new os.
1008958;1423163238;*;the_scourge does not want mosaics, he wants answers. diversity is for suckers
1008959;1423163244;mircea_popescu;b) not really worth going into after that.
1008960;1423163262;the_scourge;explain why the concept does not reflect reality
1008961;1423163302;chetty;<the_scourge> obviously not everyone in the world enjoys prose, otherwise everyone in the world would agree with modlbug that atheists worship equality, not science// atheists worship not worshiping
1008962;1423163310;the_scourge;er, please explain :)
1008963;1423163329;mircea_popescu;im sorry, i don't do that. if you wish to use it, introduce it. as per http://trilema.com/2014/how-to-deal-with-pseudoscience/
1008964;1423163329;assbot;How to deal with pseudoscience ? pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.  ... ( http://bit.ly/1CypPwf )
1008965;1423163351;mircea_popescu;yarvin doesn't get an out of jail free card just because he is "with us", as opposed to whoever, golf club pattern proponent
1008966;1423163369;mircea_popescu;they're just as much pseudo, the political motivation of pseudoscience makes not on wit of difference.
1008967;1423163419;the_scourge;mircea_popescu: if you want a first principles argument for the existence of the cathedral, that has been given already. i'm not going to repeat it in an IRC channel. everyone knows where to find it, i'm just wondering why you in particular haven't looked at it
1008968;1423163439;the_scourge;if it helps, let me vouch that it IS first principles and it is worthy of your time
1008969;1423163445;the_scourge;brb, eating
1008970;1423163454;mircea_popescu;well so then there the conversation ends. you are a believer in some strange notions that don't carry currency here.
1008971;1423163478;mircea_popescu;not teh first, not teh last, nothing wrong with it.
1008972;1423163506;mod6;<+punkman> running a node with this line removed: http://btc.yt/lxr/satoshi/source/src/main.cpp#0939 . works so far << check out this patch: http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2014-December/000023.html
1008973;1423163507;assbot;Satoshi 0.5.3.1/src/main.cpp ... ( http://bit.ly/1D22jX3 )
1008974;1423163508;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1CyqcqK )
1008975;1423164036;the_scourge;mircea_popescu: ok it wasn't quite ready. it's not a strange notion what can be argued from first principles. i'm agreeing with your post
1008976;1423164064;mircea_popescu;not like there's any rush. the logs stretch endlessly.
1008977;1423164085;the_scourge;the part about the socialist professors and their books rings esp. true. what you fail to realize is that everything YOU believe falls into the same category (minus the stuff which can be argued from first principles)
1008978;1423164104;the_scourge;it = supper
1008979;1423164165;the_scourge;so what carries currency here does not matter. reality matters. that is it. we've been living in a suspension of reality for at least 300 years, so i'm not surprised that our conversation is missing each other
1008980;1423164183;*;pete_dushenski grabs popcorn
1008981;1423164200;mircea_popescu;well if what carries currency here doens't matter, why are you talking ?
1008982;1423164214;mircea_popescu;dun waste your time, you don't have so much of it. go do something that matters somewhere where it does.
1008983;1423164236;chetty;the_scourge, only 300?
1008984;1423164256;the_scourge;chetty: no, that is a minimum figure
1008985;1423164277;ben_vulpes;pete_dushenski: http://media.giphy.com/media/yhbze3D8QhFe0/giphy.gif
1008986;1423164278;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1CyrCkR )
1008987;1423164376;pete_dushenski;anyone care to translate this pdf of the_scourge's ? http://www.moreright.net/a-gentle-introduction-to-unqualified-reservations-pdf/
1008988;1423164379;assbot;A Gentle Introduction to Unqualified Reservations — PDF | More Right ... ( http://bit.ly/1CyrRfR )
1008989;1423164380;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 45300 @ 0.00039333 = 17.8178 BTC [+]
1008990;1423164413;the_scourge;http://moldbuggery.blogspot.ca/ < here you go. html, under the section titled "a gentle introduction"
1008991;1423164414;assbot;Moldbuggery ... ( http://bit.ly/1CyrQbI )
1008992;1423164469;pete_dushenski;goodness gracious... what a dozen posts and 15,000 words each ?
1008993;1423164480;ben_vulpes;pete_dushenski: you've yet to meet mr mold?
1008994;1423164480;mircea_popescu;yeah, the guy was verbose.
1008995;1423164502;pete_dushenski;ben_vulpes: nah i'm familiar with his work
1008996;1423164522;pete_dushenski;have i read mold as exhaustively as asciilifeform ? no. have i read some ? yes
1008997;1423164552;ben_vulpes;i remember some really long stony nights in college going through the works
1008998;1423164557;pete_dushenski;reading the trilema pieces in his direction were a sufficient cure to reading more
1008999;1423164579;mircea_popescu;anyway, that "how dawkins got pwned" thing reads to me like "unemployed grad was playing Plague Inc. on his ipad while dawkins was on tv"
1009000;1423164584;ben_vulpes;asciilifeform's a sucker for punishment
1009001;1423164598;pete_dushenski;ben_vulpes: russian, neh ? ;)
1009002;1423164611;mircea_popescu;the similarities are shocking.
1009003;1423164618;ben_vulpes;not only expects, but welcomes the stake.
1009004;1423164626;pete_dushenski;lmao
1009005;1423164631;ben_vulpes;"at long last, my expectations are fulfilled."
1009006;1423164640;pete_dushenski;#calledit
1009007;1423164655;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes actually i confess i do the same sort of obsessive rereading myself. tho perhaps not on orlov and yarvin
1009008;1423164661;mircea_popescu;but then again...
1009009;1423164674;ben_vulpes;OKAY CLIENT WHY AREN'T YOU IN OUR CONFERENCE CALL
1009010;1423164692;mircea_popescu;he wants you to hang out here moar.
1009011;1423164719;pete_dushenski;and work on 0.5.3!
1009012;1423164726;ben_vulpes;myeah i want this too
1009013;1423164934;mircea_popescu;"In the more recent past, the Allied victors eradicated militarist traditions in Germany and Japan through their control of the educational system." << lulzy. and of course, defeated japanese and german troops erradicated the same in the us and its allies by... also control of the educational system ?
1009014;1423164949;mircea_popescu;"o no wait, that's what we wanted anyway" "like fuck you did"
1009015;1423165002;pete_dushenski;moldbug?
1009016;1423165033;mircea_popescu;yeah.
1009017;1423165067;pete_dushenski;i scanned that dawkins piece a bit more... there were more unfounded claims than i could take
1009018;1423165074;pete_dushenski;so: in the trash
1009019;1423165084;mircea_popescu;kinda the problem with this guy, he's writing a bizarre sort of fiction.
1009020;1423165187;mircea_popescu;"For example, one common trope in various religious traditions is asceticism: the voluntary renunciation of material comforts. Since this tends to be much easier for those who start out wealthy and comfortable, it's an effective status marker."
1009021;1423165195;pete_dushenski;"Christianity is simply a set of behavioral patterns that harm other human patterns in some respect and help in others. Catholic priesthood does, however, exhibit parasitic (viral) behavior on fatherhood."
1009022;1423165205;mircea_popescu;fucking a. didn't this guy as retold by asciilifeform end up sucking cock because "gentleman" in his own opinion ?
1009023;1423165207;pete_dushenski;too anti-religious for me
1009024;1423165226;mircea_popescu;anyway, enough of this.
1009025;1423165229;pete_dushenski;not like god-worship is sane, just that it works
1009026;1423165235;pete_dushenski;myea
1009027;1423165303;pete_dushenski;Ukrainian Central bank raises overnight refinancing rate to 23% from 17.5%
1009028;1423165324;mircea_popescu;pete_dushenski: that's quite specifically what religion is for: coping, thus survival << that coping worked better pre industrial revolution that post.
1009029;1423165346;pete_dushenski;granted
1009030;1423165356;mircea_popescu;on which score, orwell has an excellent quote
1009031;1423165364;mircea_popescu;one sec to package it so it doesn't end up flooding log
1009032;1423165378;pete_dushenski;modern technology is marvellous for coping
1009033;1423165419;mircea_popescu;http://dpaste.com/1T7Z9SG <
1009034;1423165421;assbot;dpaste: 1T7Z9SG ... ( http://bit.ly/1FaZLph )
1009035;1423165531;mircea_popescu;"Mr Upward would no doubt answer that a belief which was appropriate several centuries ago might be inappropriate and therefore stultifying now. But this does not get one much farther, because it assumes that in any age there will be ONE body of belief which is the current approximation to truth, and that the best literature of the time will be more or less in harmony with it. Actually no such uniformity has ever exist
1009036;1423165531;mircea_popescu;ed. In seventeenth-century England, for instance, there was a religious and political cleavage which distinctly resembled the left-right antagonism of to-day. Looking back, most modern people would feel that the bourgeois-Puritan viewpoint was a better approximation to truth than the Catholic-feudal one. But it is certainly not the case that all or even a majority of the best writers of the time were puritans."
1009037;1423165532;danielpbarron;;;later tell asciilifeform any suggestions? this output is from your auto.sh -> http://danielpbarron.com/pogo-error.txt
1009038;1423165533;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1Fb0cjo )
1009039;1423165533;gribble;The operation succeeded.
1009040;1423165535;mircea_popescu;as a great quote.
1009041;1423165609;mircea_popescu;his general point is well taken : as whole groups, the burgeois-puritans were more on point than the feudal-catholics. however, (and he says it, but he hides it too because he does not want to confront it) : as elites, the catholics mashed the puritans into the ground.
1009042;1423165615;mircea_popescu;because, then as now, socialism does not work.
1009043;1423165633;mike_c;danielpbarron: looks like you are missing zlib, no?
1009044;1423165645;mircea_popescu;nobody wants a plate of twelve "kinda-shitty" dishes when he could have an exquisite dish and eleven helpings of garbage, readily discarded.
1009045;1423165688;danielpbarron;i guess there are some dependancies that most users are assumed to already have on their system, mike_c ?
1009046;1423165709;danielpbarron;i thought maybe it was all contained in the three tarballs in distfiles/
1009047;1423165724;mircea_popescu;if it isn't it must be!
1009048;1423165778;pete_dushenski;mircea_popescu: "nobody" wise
1009049;1423165808;pete_dushenski;this does not include those disposed towards "the starving kids in africa"
1009050;1423165809;mike_c;danielpbarron: can you link me to it
1009051;1423165811;mircea_popescu;well, nopbody capable of want.
1009052;1423165824;mircea_popescu;obviously the garbage composter will take either just as happily, and so would the toilet.
1009053;1423165826;danielpbarron;mike_c, to what? auto.sh?
1009054;1423165829;mike_c;yeah
1009055;1423165852;pete_dushenski;mircea_popescu: want of materials, yes
1009056;1423165860;pete_dushenski;want of "rights" less so ;)
1009057;1423165867;danielpbarron;mike_c, http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/attachments/20150128/auto_5acaf3182f7d59b9ef11dc90f80bdcc4f8fdd59c.sh
1009058;1423165867;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1CyuFd1 )
1009059;1423165872;pete_dushenski;this is the railroad vs. freedom debate
1009060;1423165997;pete_dushenski;"It seems therefore that for a creative writer possession of the 'truth' is less important than emotional sincerity." << well said
1009061;1423166051;mircea_popescu;remarkably, wikipedia manages to write however many words on poe without mentioning the guy was batshit insane.
1009062;1423166091;mircea_popescu;!up ascii_field
1009063;1423166095;ascii_field;danke mircea_popescu
1009064;1423166101;mircea_popescu;doing ddos research ? :D
1009065;1423166125;ascii_field;heavy industrial pipe here.
1009066;1423166139;ascii_field;danielpbarron: it's all wrong
1009067;1423166154;thestringpuller;oh hey ascii_field left his house
1009068;1423166155;ascii_field;danielpbarron: no, it should -not- be using any libs installed on your box
1009069;1423166161;danielpbarron;that's what i thought
1009070;1423166163;ascii_field;not openssl, not bdb
1009071;1423166168;ascii_field;and from your dump, it clearly is
1009072;1423166175;danielpbarron;hrm
1009073;1423166188;ascii_field;check that 1) you actually built them 2) results went to the specified dir 3) envir vars got set to point there
1009074;1423166192;ascii_field;one of 1, 2, 3 - is false.
1009075;1423166238;mircea_popescu;3 bering my guess
1009076;1423166240;danielpbarron;will do; thank you for the insight
1009077;1423166247;ascii_field;have it dump'em
1009078;1423166252;ascii_field;the vars, that is
1009079;1423166252;mircea_popescu;probably they're in the path, but not being defaulted to
1009080;1423166262;mike_c;the export lines look ok..
1009081;1423166265;ascii_field;other thing is
1009082;1423166275;ascii_field;try building on a box that doesn't even -have- the libs
1009083;1423166281;ascii_field;(installed the usual way)
1009084;1423166284;ascii_field;that way - no confusion
1009085;1423166284;mircea_popescu;well then it'll work, nothing to default to
1009086;1423166304;ascii_field;no, then, assuming nothing changed, will croak
1009087;1423166326;ascii_field;the locally built libs either 1) aren't there 2) aren't pointed to by the envir.
1009088;1423166347;ascii_field;and here's another dead giveaway
1009089;1423166352;ascii_field;the thing shouldn't ever be asking for zlib!
1009090;1423166357;ascii_field;read build.sh
1009091;1423166388;ascii_field;clearly marked, zlib is toggled off; and, in the comment, warns that recent 'boost' is braindamaged and demands it anyway
1009092;1423166402;mircea_popescu;there's that.
1009093;1423166403;ascii_field;hence, either 1) your build is trying to use a 'modern' boost
1009094;1423166419;ascii_field;2) your build isn't even happening with the patched (non-zlib) makefile
1009095;1423166433;ascii_field;(you did patch, right?)
1009096;1423166436;danielpbarron;yes
1009097;1423166438;ascii_field;ok
1009098;1423166440;ascii_field;then (1)
1009099;1423166449;ascii_field;tertium non datur
1009100;1423166466;danielpbarron;but just to clarify, i'm supposed to patch with the portatronic thing after the chicken etc.. patches?
1009101;1423166475;ascii_field;yes
1009102;1423166481;ascii_field;though technically shouldn't conflict with any of them
1009103;1423166484;danielpbarron;and that all seems to work with no errors
1009104;1423166496;danielpbarron;i think i tried the portatronic patch first and it didn't work
1009105;1423166505;ascii_field;what was the output ?
1009106;1423166511;danielpbarron;i don't recall and didn't save it
1009107;1423166521;ascii_field;'pikz or didnt happen'
1009108;1423166530;ascii_field;(TM)
1009109;1423166536;danielpbarron;i can repeat for you
1009110;1423166546;ascii_field;may be useful
1009111;1423166643;ben_vulpes;ascii_field: http://tm.shithouse.tv
1009112;1423166644;assbot;™ ... ( http://bit.ly/1Cyw9nx )
1009113;1423166685;mircea_popescu;http://www.ussiowa.org/general/html/willie_d.htm << ok this is a great fucking read.
1009114;1423166686;assbot;The Willie D ... ( http://bit.ly/1CywdUc )
1009115;1423166692;mircea_popescu;check out the meta-nsa at work !
1009116;1423167223;ascii_field;http://tech.mit.edu/V134/N60/walterlewin.html << somehow missed this when it was on
1009117;1423167224;assbot; MIT cuts ties with Walter Lewin after online harassment probe - The Tech ... ( http://bit.ly/1Fb6AqH )
1009118;1423167234;ascii_field;^ physics prof purged
1009119;1423167306;mircea_popescu;"Institute revokes emeritus title, removes online courses of popular physics professor who starred in viral videos"
1009120;1423167335;mircea_popescu;if i weren't so lazy i guess i'd organise a special cell to create these derpy "controversies" about every single intellectually productive us person and have the academia "sever ties" with them.
1009121;1423167349;mircea_popescu;fortunately, i am lazy. also fortunately, it's a job that does itself.
1009122;1423167400;ascii_field;what'd be the objective ?
1009123;1423167428;ascii_field;that they defect? or simply denied to the enemy ?
1009124;1423167446;mircea_popescu;well, the enemy proposes that relevancy is a matter of headcount.
1009125;1423167455;mircea_popescu;so... it's a win-win move.
1009126;1423167490;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 128300 @ 0.00039338 = 50.4707 BTC [+] {2} 
1009127;1423167501;mircea_popescu;"With his wiry grayish-brown hair, his tortoiseshell glasses and his intensity, Professor Lewin is the iconic brilliant scientist � he is at once larger than life and totally accessible."
1009128;1423167508;mircea_popescu;"which is great, unless he fucks someone"
1009129;1423167553;the_scourge;excommunicate him! heretic! :) < it's galileo all over again
1009130;1423167623;ascii_field;hey if j. watson can be lowered into pederasty, why not any other greybeard lecturer
1009131;1423167631;mircea_popescu;quite.
1009132;1423167659;mircea_popescu;"never interrupt the enemy when he's making a mistake". fortunately the internet makes so that "help him instead" remains undetectable.
1009133;1423167659;ascii_field;it isn't like they have an alternative 'pepsi usa' which they can escape to and help it build death rays.
1009134;1423167682;mircea_popescu;ascii_field the notion that there exists an ending for every character doesn't hold.
1009135;1423167697;ascii_field;?
1009136;1423167717;mircea_popescu;whether they have or they don't have a choice today, it makes little difference.
1009137;1423167821;ascii_field;watson is a special case here (see his auction escapade, for instance) - but a garden-variety physics prof going 'on strike' means: taxicab
1009138;1423167832;mircea_popescu;no it does not.
1009139;1423167847;mircea_popescu;it could as well mean blog going "Fuck you, of course I fuck my students!"
1009140;1423167850;mircea_popescu;i'd blogroll it.
1009141;1423167888;ascii_field;and how does that fix the fella up with food & house ?
1009142;1423167895;mircea_popescu;the "turn the other cheek" folk over there. the "if you as much as bother a hair of my beard I'll gouge your fucking eyes out with your own detached ribs" folk over here.
1009143;1423167926;mircea_popescu;!up ascii_field
1009144;1423167930;ascii_field;ty mircea_popescu
1009145;1423167934;mircea_popescu;why'd you expect one's finances to derive from one's politics ?
1009146;1423167976;ascii_field;mircea_popescu: actually just that. pointing out that virtually none of the people involved are 'free men' in the sense of having any kind of independent finance
1009147;1423167984;mircea_popescu;so ?
1009148;1423167994;mircea_popescu;neither were any of the men involved in, say, the end of the soviet union.
1009149;1423167999;ascii_field;actually
1009150;1423168001;mircea_popescu;quite more literally than is the case here, anyway.
1009151;1423168051;ascii_field;one of the few genuinely valuable nuggets in orlov is his summary (for engl. folks) of how sov. supply chain had such abundant slack (no 'just in time' anywhere) that many folks had access to serious stashes of $good
1009152;1423168108;mircea_popescu;they built that access.
1009153;1423168111;ascii_field;e.g., if you worked at a paper factory in '91-93, you had a good chance of becoming de-facto owner of a hundred tonnes of paper - suddenly unobtainable in the usual way - and some pull.
1009154;1423168113;mircea_popescu;and, actually, that slack, too.
1009155;1423168124;mircea_popescu;do you know how much time and effort the central command spent trying to narrow it down ?
1009156;1423168133;mircea_popescu;90% of all available anything, towards the end of things.
1009157;1423168137;ascii_field;aha.
1009158;1423168142;mircea_popescu;well ?
1009159;1423168145;ascii_field;except - orcs, so it was hopeless
1009160;1423168150;the_scourge;doesn't our politics and philosophy entirely derive from our finances? it's pretty clear that a liberal is just a fascist with effective plumbing and sanitary solutions
1009161;1423168162;mircea_popescu;it is not so clear.
1009162;1423168201;mircea_popescu;for one thing, the fascists had better plumbing than the us does.
1009163;1423168255;the_scourge;er, sorry i didn't mean to reference one specific form of fascism ... i should have used 'left' and 'right' instead
1009164;1423168263;the_scourge;looking for citation right now....
1009165;1423168317;mircea_popescu;the_scourge are you looking for the log bit about the spanish revolutionary right ?
1009166;1423168334;ascii_field;!s answer lies in the sewers
1009167;1423168334;assbot;11 results for 'answer lies in the sewers' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=answer+lies+in+the+sewers
1009168;1423168403;mircea_popescu;look at that, all alf :)
1009169;1423168517;the_scourge;http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/05/20/smelly-environment-gay-marriage_n_5358253.html
1009170;1423168519;assbot;Smelly Environment Can Increase Homophobic, Politically Conservative Views According To Study ... ( http://bit.ly/1Fbbi82 )
1009171;1423168529;the_scourge;http://www.nytimes.com/2010/10/24/opinion/24pizarro.html
1009172;1423168532;assbot;All Politics Is Olfactory - NYTimes.com ... ( http://bit.ly/1FbbhAK )
1009173;1423168552;the_scourge;sorry for the sources, i was struggling with my history grepping and resorted to ddg
1009174;1423168562;the_scourge;ascii_field: yes, i believe it's the same effect
1009175;1423168571;ascii_field;what effect ?
1009176;1423168643;mircea_popescu;lol the_scourge you ever heard of one McCune ?
1009177;1423168685;the_scourge;mircea_popescu: don't ring a bell
1009178;1423168726;ascii_field;i must confess - despite having read every word of mr mold's UR (and got my fair fill of the author in his previous life, and likewise played in his hindley-milner mathemasturbatorium until could take it no more) - i am still no closer to grasping the_scourge's arguments
1009179;1423168741;mircea_popescu;unsurprisingly. sara miller mccune is a reputed con woman that came up with the following scam : make up fake "peer reviewed" scientific journals, then charge variouis idiots that were stpid enough to try and carve careers out of "social studies" a few hundred dollars to publish their goop
1009180;1423168756;the_scourge;ascii_field: i thought perhaps your 'answer lies in the sewers' paper was talking about the olfactory conservative/liberal thing, but upon reading it, it seems like it's talking about something else... spanish nobility dumping their worker's bodies in the sewers? am i close?
1009181;1423168766;mircea_popescu;then charge for the amassed pseudoscience to be repeated in drivelly sources like the huffpo.
1009182;1423168776;ascii_field;the_scourge did not actually read a word of it
1009183;1423168780;mircea_popescu;this works splendidly well, on a certain crowd, creating "consensuses" and "progresses" and whatnot.
1009184;1423168781;ascii_field;we now know.
1009185;1423168786;mircea_popescu;also doesn't happen to carry currency here.
1009186;1423168814;mircea_popescu;ascii_field well... chuka.
1009187;1423168840;ascii_field;the_scourge: you are making a loud public fool of yourself, unnecessarily. friendly warning.
1009188;1423168899;TheNewDeal;Anyone interested in a bitbet repurchase?
1009189;1423168909;mircea_popescu;how's that work ?
1009190;1423168922;mike_c;TheNewDeal: what are you holding?
1009191;1423168942;TheNewDeal;It works like so. Purchaser sends btc
1009192;1423168956;TheNewDeal;I pay out after receiving payment from bitbet
1009193;1423168958;the_scourge;ascii_field: duly taken. i'm just trying to connect McCune to the articles i linked
1009194;1423168968;TheNewDeal;I give a small premium on timeweight
1009195;1423168976;mike_c;yeah, so what are you selling?
1009196;1423168977;mircea_popescu;and on trust ? and interest ?
1009197;1423168989;TheNewDeal;No interest
1009198;1423168992;TheNewDeal;Yes trust
1009199;1423169011;TheNewDeal;Im holding no on https://bitbet.us/bet/1114/btc-to-rise-vs-usd-in-february/#b7
1009200;1423169012;assbot;BitBet - BTC to rise vs USD in February :: 4.21 B (69%) on Yes, 1.89 B (31%) on No | closing in 2 weeks 6 days | weight: 90`871 (100`000 to 1) ... ( http://bit.ly/1FbdwUE )
1009201;1423169027;*;mircea_popescu kinda interested to see this model developped, but the fact that txns have to take a time, and a risk premium on top of what's actually bneing sold seems insurmontable
1009202;1423169039;mike_c;it's been done before
1009203;1423169055;TheNewDeal;I did it before, check out my otp page
1009204;1423169076;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6250 @ 0.00039193 = 2.4496 BTC [-]
1009205;1423169079;mircea_popescu;TheNewDeal but your holding is worth at the very most .189 BTC, and that if no has a 100% chance to win ?
1009206;1423169098;TheNewDeal;1.75
1009207;1423169100;mircea_popescu;mike_c TheNewDeal no dispute it can be done and has done. just, impediments, friction, that sort of consideration
1009208;1423169110;TheNewDeal;Ill sell up to .75
1009209;1423169128;mircea_popescu;TheNewDeal what i mean is, the value of buying 1 btc from you rather than betting 1 btc is given by the weight differential
1009210;1423169145;mircea_popescu;as weigh is at 90k, even should you hold all the no you can't expect to make more than .189
1009211;1423169176;TheNewDeal;To me it doesnt matter the exact amount I make
1009212;1423169199;ascii_field;'(S//REL NATO) We assess that any unclassified NATO network that is directly connected to the Internet should be considered potentially compromised, creating uncertainty regarding the confidentiality, integrity and continued availability of all data on that network.' << mega-lol
1009213;1423169203;TheNewDeal;I saw the bet, it looked unbalanced, and then i bet
1009214;1423169223;TheNewDeal;Im not saying you shouldnt just bet no
1009215;1423169234;TheNewDeal;But you could bet no, and buy no from me
1009216;1423169309;TheNewDeal;Why do yoy say I can expect to make .189?
1009217;1423169334;the_scourge;mircea_popescu: done some reading on sarah miller mccune, very interesting. is that somehow connected to http://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0095572
1009218;1423169337;assbot;PLOS ONE: Disgust and the Politics of Sex: Exposure to a Disgusting Odorant Increases Politically Conservative Views on Sex and Decreases Support for Gay Marriage ... ( http://bit.ly/1FbeUXm )
1009219;1423169370;mircea_popescu;if not in fact, in spirit.
1009220;1423169380;TheNewDeal;The maximum i can make atm is 3.9
1009221;1423169390;ascii_field;mircea_popescu: incidentally, the mccune thing is not in any way fundamentally different from the -rest- of mainstream academia
1009222;1423169410;ascii_field;which is a pure rapefest from the standpoint of the phd coolies
1009223;1423169420;mircea_popescu;ascii_field do they have classified networks directly connected is ther implication there ?!
1009224;1423169435;mircea_popescu;ascii_field i just picked her name out of a bucket.
1009225;1423169486;the_scourge;mircea_popescu: oh yah, i take every "finding" and "study" with a grain or shovelful of salt. so, well spoken
1009226;1423169496;mircea_popescu;TheNewDeal just trying to think through the valuations of this device. it's interesting.
1009227;1423169503;TheNewDeal;Any who, if someone is interested or becomes more interested as time goes on, send me a gribble message
1009228;1423169566;TheNewDeal;I usually just place a premium, like, 3% on the timeweight
1009229;1423169615;TheNewDeal;So if purchaser paid me at 90k timeweight, I would payout at 90k*1.03
1009230;1423169659;TheNewDeal;The specific premium and amount are what needs be negotiated
1009231;1423169694;mircea_popescu;so basically the diff between betting and buying is 3% on one side, vs the risk premium on the other.
1009232;1423169723;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo: asciilifeform> when you plug a lamp into a mains socket, is that also a 'streaming query' ? << For some kinds of lamp sure. << LAMP! geddit ? roflmao
1009233;1423169778;pete_dushenski;http://www.contravex.com/2015/02/05/this-is-the-wrong-way-to-do-the-internet-dont-worry-theres-also-a-right-way/
1009234;1423169780;assbot;This is the wrong way to do the Internet. Don’t worry, there’s also a right way. | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski ... ( http://bit.ly/1LRaFVw )
1009235;1423169822;TomServo;!up ascii_field
1009236;1423169823;pete_dushenski;^stab at wp, pump for qntra
1009237;1423169831;pete_dushenski;not wordpress, washington post
1009238;1423169833;ascii_field;ty TomServo
1009239;1423169893;mircea_popescu;"When I was in Sicily, I couldn't even get a frickin' wifi login at the McDonalds without an Italian passport *and* a local registered sim. "
1009240;1423169896;mircea_popescu;this has got to be a joke
1009241;1423169922;ascii_field;mircea_popescu: sop in cn
1009242;1423169927;TheNewDeal;Mp, The largest difference is someone else being able to purchase a larger percentage sstake in the pool I am in
1009243;1423169958;mircea_popescu;TheNewDeal the most advantageous implications of the whole idea that i see probably have to do with privacy.
1009244;1423169979;TheNewDeal;oOo
1009245;1423169985;TheNewDeal;I like that
1009246;1423169995;bitstein;Bravo, pete_dushenski
1009247;1423169997;mircea_popescu;it's a sort of ad hoc, informal sidechains for btc.
1009248;1423170005;pete_dushenski;http://www.npr.org/blogs/money/2015/02/05/382664837/map-the-most-common-job-in-every-state << heh america is all truck drivers now
1009249;1423170006;assbot;Map: The Most Common* Job In Every State : Planet Money : NPR ... ( http://bit.ly/1LRbIVq )
1009250;1423170041;TomServo;Waterfall update: One step closer to drying up.  Down to 5,038.29 from 10,295.86 on 28-01-2015.
1009251;1423170044;pete_dushenski;bitstein: thx, sorta low-hanging fruit but hey
1009252;1423170071;jurov;http://www.gallup.com/poll/125639/Gallup-Daily-Workforce.aspx << not so many USians have a job anyway
1009253;1423170074;assbot;Gallup Daily: U.S. Employment ... ( http://bit.ly/1LRc1jh )
1009254;1423170103;mircea_popescu;job not needed. they're doing their part being part of the greatest derpocracy in history.
1009255;1423170107;mircea_popescu;should be a salary in that.
1009256;1423170116;pete_dushenski;redditnotes!
1009257;1423170126;mircea_popescu;also.
1009258;1423170235;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 176850 @ 0.00039134 = 69.2085 BTC [-] {2} 
1009259;1423170271;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo "breeching the Silk Road" < breaching.
1009260;1423170279;mircea_popescu;you breech a gun, you breach a maiden.
1009261;1423170307;pete_dushenski;in your breeches
1009262;1423170348;BingoBoingo;fxd
1009263;1423170367;mircea_popescu;"One particularly interesting tidbit is that when information about parallel construction in a case leaks, a special "Taint Review Team" must consult with a judge to determine which evidence must be turned over to the defense. The Taint Review team is also responsible for insulating prosecutors from evidence that would reveal the application of parallel construction methods in a case."
1009264;1423170374;mircea_popescu;this also suggests how the problem is to be attacked.
1009265;1423170394;mircea_popescu;make prosecutors personally liable for the use of fraudulently produced "proofs".
1009266;1423170407;mircea_popescu;each da jailed for contempt & disbarred is a step forward.
1009267;1423170417;ascii_field;lol, what's next, policeman liable for strafing crowds ?
1009268;1423170418;mircea_popescu;i doubt the system couldsurvive a dozen total years of jailtime on this score.
1009269;1423170437;mircea_popescu;ascii_field i have with my own eyes seen men hang for that.
1009270;1423170445;mircea_popescu;anything can come apart if correctly approached.
1009271;1423170466;ascii_field;mircea_popescu: these folks show every sign of intending to keep it all up until glassed.
1009272;1423170479;mircea_popescu;appearances deceive.
1009273;1423170601;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30650 @ 0.00039371 = 12.0672 BTC [+] {2} 
1009274;1423170741;mircea_popescu;besides, what "these folks" in the general wish and what individual folks actually managed when confronted with a bloody club are quite divorced matters.
1009275;1423170901;jurov;"You were tipped 0.11 XPM for your commit on Project saltstack-formulas/epel-formula. Please, log in and tell us your primecoin address to get it."
1009276;1423170903;jurov;O.o o.O loool
1009277;1423170916;mircea_popescu;that's an approach
1009278;1423170953;mircea_popescu;are these the folks that checked and then ignored signatures yest ?
1009279;1423170964;jurov;yes
1009280;1423170975;mircea_popescu;do you feel what, amused ? insulted ?
1009281;1423170980;jurov;amused
1009282;1423170983;ascii_field;jurov: now to discover the payload!
1009283;1423171008;mircea_popescu;i wonder if it's per line.
1009284;1423171011;jurov;https://github.com/saltstack-formulas/epel-formula/pull/16 << they quickly merged it
1009285;1423171013;assbot;Force usage of verified gpg key by jurov · Pull Request #16 · saltstack-formulas/epel-formula · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1LRfC0E )
1009286;1423171106;mircea_popescu;hm you did 22 lines right ?
1009287;1423171115;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo: Everyone who wanted qntra to have a category page << remove the <li>, separate them by ; instead ? << Work in progress. Things in the categories will be getting some better sorting.
1009288;1423171119;mircea_popescu;it's actually 0.005 per line.
1009289;1423171141;jurov;guess qntra pays better
1009290;1423171171;mircea_popescu;inb4 "this github commit is worth 1k btc on a qntra size arithmetic"
1009291;1423171251;mircea_popescu;i dun believe the web is starved of anything nearly as badly as it's starved of usable value points of comparison. neatly mirrors how those kids are starved for exemplary leadership irl.
1009292;1423171269;mircea_popescu;a sad fate for a race with such well recorded history.
1009293;1423171272;ascii_field;redhat patch << i can't help but think that this is a 'wait,  there was dioxin in my cyanide pill!111!' situation.
1009294;1423171322;mircea_popescu;ascii_field "fixed sexist pronouns in manual for use of the alcohol swab employed pre-lethal injection"
1009295;1423171338;ascii_field;aha
1009296;1423171531;BingoBoingo;https://twitter.com/ScottMAustin/status/563444449226014722 << O.o
1009297;1423171532;assbot;Likely why Twitter has been trying to get news out ahead of earnings: User growth was only 1.4%, the worst on record. /search?q=%24TWTR&src=ctag
1009298;1423171541;mircea_popescu;"he problem isn't a limit in general but that 1MB is so low that under any meaningful adoption scenario it will push all individual users off the blockchain to rely on trusted third parties.  In essence you will probably be priced out of the blockchain and the blockchain becomes yet another network you will never have direct (peer) access to, just like FedWire, SWIFT, and other private closed transfer networks. "
1009299;1423171547;mircea_popescu;he forgot to add mpex in there.
1009300;1423171760;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 182100 @ 0.00039435 = 71.8111 BTC [+] {2} 
1009301;1423172321;mircea_popescu;anyway, writing a response to http://log1.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=05-02-2015#1007935
1009302;1423172321;assbot;Logged on 05-02-2015 06:30:52; phillipsjk: DeathAndTaxes on bitcoin talk made a detailed post explaining why the 1MB block size in not good for anything other than inter-bank transfers: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=946236.0 He estimetes 2-4 TPS basked on the last million transactions
1009303;1423172323;mircea_popescu;should be good.
1009304;1423172360;pete_dushenski;BingoBoingo: if you or anyone else has any suggestions for sorting archive pages, it'd be sweet if contravex didn't only post one article at a time
1009305;1423172393;pete_dushenski;i've tried a few angles without success thus far
1009306;1423172665;jurov;http://www.propublica.org/article/the-worlds-email-encryption-software-relies-on-one-guy-who-is-going-broke
1009307;1423172666;assbot;The World’s Email Encryption Software Relies on One Guy, Who is Going Broke - ProPublica ... ( http://bit.ly/1LRl7wk )
1009308;1423172728;pete_dushenski;twas in the logs
1009309;1423172729;mircea_popescu;jurov actually was on log.
1009310;1423172818;the_scourge;bears repeating :)
1009311;1423172910;pete_dushenski;speaking of bears, i'm hungry as one. laters
1009312;1423173436;BingoBoingo;;;later tell pete_dushenski Search for "Clean My Archives" if you consider using it be sure to read it. There isn't much to it.
1009313;1423173436;gribble;The operation succeeded.
1009314;1423173760;BingoBoingo;http://observer.com/2015/02/the-race-to-replace-bitcoin/
1009315;1423173762;assbot;The Race to Replace Bitcoin | Observer ... ( http://bit.ly/16lJFMQ )
1009316;1423173956;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 89500 @ 0.0003903 = 34.9319 BTC [-]
1009317;1423173987;BingoBoingo;"Ms. Kim has one of the all-time great LinkedIn profiles: Harvard, Cornell, Columbia Law, the Innocence Project, Shearman & Sterling, two other law jobs, founder or CEO at two start-ups and now a venture capitalist."
1009318;1423174078;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3000 @ 0.0003903 = 1.1709 BTC [-]
1009319;1423174099;BingoBoingo;"Ms. Kim�s next big idea was to drop hints to the world that Mr. McCaleb was Satoshi Nakamoto. According to one person who worked at Ripple Labs at the time, �Joyce was creating all kinds of rumors that Jed was Satoshi and Jed was happy to go along with it, smiling like the cat that ate the canary."
1009320;1423174641;mod6;has anyone else seen the "G0D" magic number?
1009321;1423174651;mod6;tail -500000 blk0001.dat | xxd | grep "G0D" | wc -l
1009322;1423174652;mod6;159025
1009323;1423174725;BingoBoingo;"This all culminated in a showdown meeting in which the board and key investors sided with Mr. Larsen. It was a 5-1 vote to keep Mr. Larsen as CEO with Mr. McCaleb himself being the lone dissenter. Even Mr. McCaleb�s ally, Mr. Powell, voted to retain Mr. Larsen, as did Roger Ver, another McCaleb friend in the room."
1009324;1423174769;BingoBoingo;mod6: Wait, Was it a bible verse that doesn't want to verify?
1009325;1423174876;BingoBoingo;"After the vote, as would prove to be his habit when faced with a situation not to his liking, Mr. McCaleb simply disappeared. He and Ms. Kim went to Costa Rica to surf, then to Brazil. Even close friends at Ripple Labs had no idea where their mercurial founder was for months at a time."
1009326;1423174892;mod6;na, just saw a bunch of those in there when looking through the hex of blk0001.dat, i think it's an OP_ script of some type maybe
1009327;1423174917;BingoBoingo;Ah
1009328;1423175039;BingoBoingo;"Meanwhile, Mr. McCaleb and Ms. Burzlaff negotiated a settlement for their children�s support, but his behavior toward his kids mirrored his departure from Ripple and, to some degree, every company he incubated. He fled the scene when things went south at eDonkey. At Mt. Gox, he actually claimed the company no longer had any of his coding DNA, even though he still owned 12 percent of the company and advised on an attempt to acqu
1009329;1423175039;BingoBoingo;ire its assets."
1009330;1423175391;the_scourge;i'm undecided as to wether such scams demonstrate a concerted smear attempt or are simply exposing the nasty nature of our 'corportate' culture
1009331;1423175403;BingoBoingo;"Ms. Kim has an impressively broad resume, but it is not especially deep. Ms. Kim appears on Stellar legal documents and itswebsite as �secretary,� �executive director� and �member� (under its bylaws). Whatever her talents, they do not include leadership. Her legacy at SimpleHoney was a pair of false-start products, punctuated by a blog post titled �How to Build a Startup from a Beach.�"
1009332;1423175436;BingoBoingo;the_scourge: It is the plague of people having no concept of history pretending they can haz bzns
1009333;1423175478;the_scourge;the internet is sirz bitnit
1009334;1423175591;the_scourge;http://i0.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/newsfeed/000/133/593/innanep.jpg
1009335;1423175592;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1KkzQ1f )
1009336;1423175786;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14350 @ 0.0003903 = 5.6008 BTC [-]
1009337;1423175878;BingoBoingo;"This circular process pinned an initial value on STRs. Stellar repaid the $3 million loan with 2 billion STRs. Based on the finite distribution of 100 billion STRs, the transaction implied the currency�s market cap was $150 million. (Its current market cap is about $17 million.)"
1009338;1423176106;BingoBoingo;"Charlie Shrem, the Bitcoiner who is headed to prison and is very close to Mr. McCaleb and Mr. Karpeles and has done business with them, shared his suspicion that the Mt. Gox money actually disappeared much earlier than had been revealed: �I think he lost those coins early on. Like many years ago in the first hack.�"
1009339;1423176215;ben_vulpes;the_scourge: shit doesn't even really count compared to actual impressive public market scamming like VGMC
1009340;1423176467;danielpbarron;height=187521
1009341;1423176505;mod6;lel: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=44887.msg537071#msg537071
1009342;1423176506;assbot;Bit-error in Block 108009, Tx 23 ? ... ( http://bit.ly/1KkE0Gn )
1009343;1423176533;the_scourge;ben_vulpes: wow that is some seriously seedy shit.... surely they didn't get anyone's money?
1009344;1423176701;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 136800 @ 0.0003903 = 53.393 BTC [-]
1009345;1423177009;ben_vulpes;the_scourge: you really have to ask?
1009346;1423177049;the_scourge;idk human stupidity surprises me to this day and probably will do well into the future
1009347;1423178231;ben_vulpes;http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/texas-boy-suspended-bringing-ring-power-school-article-1.2099103
1009348;1423178233;assbot;Texas boy suspended after bringing 'ring of power' to school - NY Daily News ... ( http://bit.ly/1KkLngO )
1009349;1423178283;mircea_popescu;!up kanzure
1009350;1423178284;mircea_popescu;hey there.
1009351;1423178477;danielpbarron;ok so apparently the openssl make install was getting stuck on making documentation (apparently a known bug for the version ascii chose) and the fix is to use "make install_sw" instead of "make install"
1009352;1423178635;mircea_popescu;;;later tell phillipsjk http://trilema.com/2015/gerald-davis-is-wrong-heres-why/
1009353;1423178635;assbot;Gerald Davis is wrong. Here's why. pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.  ... ( http://bit.ly/1KkN264 )
1009354;1423178635;gribble;The operation succeeded.
1009355;1423179022;trinque;ben_vulpes: everyone in texas has borderline personality disorder
1009356;1423179134;jurov;border personality?
1009357;1423179157;BingoBoingo;!b 2
1009358;1423179157;assbot;Last 2 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/0XSXRHH.txt )
1009359;1423179244;mircea_popescu;lol
1009360;1423179260;trinque;jurov: haaaaw
1009361;1423179296;scoopbot;New post on Qntra.net by cazalla: http://qntra.net/2015/02/2333/
1009362;1423179308;cazalla;oops, forgot title
1009363;1423179344;cazalla;the one time scoopbot fetches an article within seconds..
1009364;1423179352;ben_vulpes;haw
1009365;1423179370;mircea_popescu;lawk
1009366;1423179454;scoopbot;New post on Qntra.net by cazalla: http://qntra.net/2015/02/bitcoin-atm-operators-remove-machines-in-singapore/
1009367;1423179455;scoopbot;New post on Qntra.net by Bingo Boingo: http://qntra.net/2015/02/muckrock-dea-documents-show-parallel-construction-widely-used/
1009368;1423179634;mircea_popescu;danielpbarron wow nice find
1009369;1423179651;ben_vulpes;srs
1009370;1423179656;ben_vulpes;qntra's turning into quite the source these days
1009371;1423179746;mircea_popescu;mhm!
1009372;1423179782;scoopbot;New post on Trilema by Mircea Popescu: http://trilema.com/2015/gerald-davis-is-wrong-heres-why/
1009373;1423180275;mircea_popescu;"The one great example is IBM, which faced disruption and existential threat from PCs in the early 1990s and emerged stronger and is still a thriving company. "
1009374;1423180286;mircea_popescu;who the fuck is this bernardlunn.com imbecile.
1009375;1423180375;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes:  phillipsjk: the last million transactions are probably by volume idiocy spawned by wallets that inhibit address reuse << at least half.
1009376;1423180513;mircea_popescu;phillipsjk: Not even my 2 year electronic program or running a node for a year? <<< jesus god he's adorable. totally pwned ben_vulpes too, because the joo's a lazy reader. meanwhile in the linked cv ? "Objective. To find a day or night job in the Edmonton area."
1009377;1423180524;mircea_popescu;!rated phillipsjk
1009378;1423180524;assbot;You have not rated phillipsjk.
1009379;1423180536;mircea_popescu;!rate phillipsjk 1 His simplicity is endearing.
1009380;1423180536;assbot;Request successful, get your OTP: http://w.b-a.link/otp/87ab615b672803ae
1009381;1423180560;mircea_popescu;!v assbot:mircea_popescu.rate.phillipsjk.1:4fc7cc9d4122a9dc2f24d42a0cec09a573a66f334b6631c311ab16c1b7bd82d4
1009382;1423180560;assbot;Successfully added a rating of 1 for phillipsjk with note: His simplicity is endearing.
1009383;1423180837;mircea_popescu;in other news : i've had your resume read by my hr, and that woman has read probably 15k by now.
1009384;1423180845;mircea_popescu;"this is, without a doubt, the worst resume i have ever seen."
1009385;1423181282;danielpbarron;ok.. i have a bitcoind binary file that i did myself! :D
1009386;1423181310;danielpbarron;time for dinner.
1009387;1423181399;mircea_popescu;wd!
1009388;1423181459;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 46627 @ 0.0003903 = 18.1985 BTC [-]
1009389;1423181749;mircea_popescu;!up kanzure
1009390;1423181755;kanzure;hello
1009391;1423181756;mircea_popescu;hey, what does it say ?
1009392;1423181783;kanzure;Searching pgp.mit.edu for key with fingerprint: %d. This may take a few moments.\n Could not find your key. Check if your key is available on keyservers and try later.
1009393;1423181802;mircea_popescu;%d srsly ?
1009394;1423181818;kanzure;well i was going to write %f but then i realized i value my life
1009395;1423181838;mircea_popescu;lol
1009396;1423181881;mircea_popescu;it'd help if i could actually check it ?
1009397;1423181897;kanzure;http://pgp.mit.edu/pks/lookup?op=get&search=0x984F10CC77169FD2
1009398;1423181898;assbot;Public Key Server -- Get ``0x984f10cc77169fd2 '' ... ( http://bit.ly/1D3haAu )
1009399;1423181916;kanzure;http://pgp.mit.edu/pks/lookup?op=vindex&search=0x984F10CC77169FD2
1009400;1423181917;assbot;Search results for '0x984f10cc77169fd2' ... ( http://bit.ly/1D3h9g3 )
1009401;1423181958;kanzure;also, do you have any hints for how i can make the incentives paper more lolworthy?
1009402;1423181988;mircea_popescu;wait it was a loleffort ?
1009403;1423181996;mircea_popescu;i was totally boggled because wtf is this.
1009404;1423182007;kanzure;hard to explain
1009405;1423182014;kanzure;i was trying to do both sort of
1009406;1423182022;kanzure;like, it is completely ridiculous that such a document is required
1009407;1423182024;kanzure;however... it's required.
1009408;1423182031;mircea_popescu;!register <full_gpg_keyid> << are youdoing the full thing ?
1009409;1423182031;assbot;Nick mircea_popescu is already taken.
1009410;1423182046;mircea_popescu;who can possibly require it ?
1009411;1423182071;kanzure;no i mean it's required in the sense that apparently some of those issues are non-obvious to others
1009412;1423182149;kanzure;quite literally some do not think that nodes can be malicious
1009413;1423182159;mircea_popescu;<assbot> Searching pgp.mit.edu for key with fingerprint: 6160E1CAC8A3C52966FD76998A736F0E2FB7B452. This may take a few moments.
1009414;1423182159;mircea_popescu;<assbot> Key 2FB7B452 / "Mircea Popescu (Acest articol are apriori avantajul aliteralitatii alaturi.) <office@polimedia.us>" successfully imported.
1009415;1423182162;kanzure;or have different implementations
1009416;1423182164;mircea_popescu;this is how mine looked.
1009417;1423182202;kanzure;"Nick kanzure is already taken."
1009418;1423182227;kanzure;btw this used to work
1009419;1423182228;felipelalli;cazalla BingoBoingo please talk about Italy in Qntra.net as pete_dushenski suggested! This is huge!
1009420;1423182229;kanzure;i have made no changes
1009421;1423182240;mircea_popescu;ugh.
1009422;1423182260;mircea_popescu;well kakobrekla might be able to help you.
1009423;1423182263;kakobrekla;!gettrust assbot kanzure
1009424;1423182263;assbot;Trust relationship from user assbot to user kanzure: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 2 via 2 connections. | http://w.b-a.link/trust/assbot/kanzure | http://w.b-a.link/user/kanzure
1009425;1423182270;kakobrekla;!up and !v
1009426;1423182277;mircea_popescu;ah right.
1009427;1423182294;mircea_popescu;kanzure ima devoice you now. say !up in private to assbot, decryot the otp then say !v
1009428;1423182300;mircea_popescu;!down kanzure
1009429;1423182304;mircea_popescu;see if this works
1009430;1423182336;mircea_popescu;!up kanzure
1009431;1423182338;mircea_popescu;<kanzure> "!up" is still giving me "Could not find your key. Check if your key is available on keyservers and try later.""
1009432;1423182340;mircea_popescu;he sez.
1009433;1423182346;kanzure;"!v" is giving me "Need a decrypted verification string."
1009434;1423182364;BingoBoingo;felipelalli: pete already wrote on itally for qntra.net
1009435;1423182368;kanzure;this is retarded
1009436;1423182381;kanzure;can someone just give me assbot source code or something
1009437;1423182398;kakobrekla;is key on keyserver ?
1009438;1423182409;kanzure;we've been over this
1009439;1423182417;felipelalli;BingoBoingo: I'm sorry, you guys are too fast. I saw just the last 3 articles.
1009440;1423182448;mircea_popescu;kanzure well... nodes are hostile all teh time
1009441;1423182457;felipelalli;And it was yesterday, I'm an idiot. Thanks.
1009442;1423182478;kanzure;mircea_popescu: of course nodes are hostile... but this needs to be written down (apparently).
1009443;1423182500;kanzure;part of it is that i don't trust anyone to keep the whole threat model in their head
1009444;1423182513;kanzure;just seems unlikely
1009445;1423182532;kanzure;and waiting for petertodd to start telling you to go fuck yourself is just a bad strategy
1009446;1423182551;mircea_popescu;you know most of the lolz there are as to how incomplete it is
1009447;1423182591;kanzure;ah...
1009448;1423182612;kanzure;yeah i would estmate that it's no where near useful at the moment
1009449;1423182730;kanzure;also does anyone know of a design for a planar engine? can be gas/steam/whatever. just needs to be manufactured in one step.
1009450;1423182776;kakobrekla;your key was never imported
1009451;1423182790;kakobrekla;how have you been over this
1009452;1423182806;cazalla;felipelalli, pete submitted an article about that news yesterday - http://qntra.net/2015/02/banca-ditalia-ends-amlkyc-for-bitcoin-businesses-opts-out-of-economic-death/
1009453;1423182807;assbot;Banca d’Italia Ends AML/KYC For Bitcoin Businesses, Opts Out Of Economic Death | Qntra.net ... ( http://bit.ly/1D3iWlf )
1009454;1423182850;felipelalli;cazalla: thanks cazalla, I skipped unintentionally.
1009455;1423182867;cazalla;np
1009456;1423182886;felipelalli;I was excited because my family is Italian and I have Italian passport.
1009457;1423182886;kanzure;kakobrekla: how was i able to "!up" in the past?
1009458;1423182917;kakobrekla;kanzure via old gribble auth.
1009459;1423182961;kanzure;ah fascinating
1009460;1423183716;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 128800 @ 0.00039625 = 51.037 BTC [+] {3} 
1009461;1423184489;mircea_popescu;!up kanzure
1009462;1423184499;mircea_popescu;yeah the missing piece of your puzzlement here might be that gribble got forked
1009463;1423184560;mircea_popescu;in any case, the notion of "writing down incentives" is a little silly.
1009464;1423184566;mircea_popescu;incentives are always a contextual matter.
1009465;1423184611;mircea_popescu;the idea that some sort of serious analysis can be based on that fails fundamentally, in that it tries to work on the basis of goals rather than from causes.
1009466;1423184753;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 54917 @ 0.00039001 = 21.4182 BTC [-] {2} 
1009467;1423184769;BingoBoingo;!up Alina-malina
1009468;1423184814;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10934 @ 0.00038334 = 4.1914 BTC [-]
1009469;1423185302;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34950 @ 0.00039753 = 13.8937 BTC [+] {2} 
1009470;1423185604;asciilifeform;kanzure: planar engine?
1009471;1423185625;kanzure;was not aware of gribble fork
1009472;1423185631;kanzure;asciilifeform: hplusroadmap is discussing said concept
1009473;1423185642;kanzure;asciilifeform: http://gnusha.org/logs/2015-02-05.log
1009474;1423185644;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1D3oz2M )
1009475;1423185651;kanzure;asciilifeform: i'm thinking of something like http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scroll_compressor
1009476;1423185652;assbot;Scroll compressor - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ... ( http://bit.ly/1D3ozjm )
1009477;1423185667;asciilifeform;kanzure: tried plain old tesla turbine ?
1009478;1423185693;asciilifeform;i don't think it gets any simpler than that
1009479;1423185705;kanzure;wikipedia image does not make me think a tesla turbine is flat
1009480;1423185728;asciilifeform;flat enough with one disk
1009481;1423185765;kanzure;hm.
1009482;1423185778;asciilifeform;http://hackedgadgets.com/wp-content/tesla_turbine_5.JPG << from hdd platter
1009483;1423185780;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1DEhQum )
1009484;1423185780;[]bot;Bet created: "TSLA above $265.00 at close of trading on 17-JUL-2015" http://bitbet.us/bet/1116/
1009485;1423185923;mircea_popescu;So Randi goes to Davos, never once asking why they would want her there?  Convincing her demo of underproducing hyperconsumers that capitalism-- controlling capital-- is pointless and mean, but globalism-- doublespoken as "progress", "human rights", "everything is connected"-- that is a noble cause.  Remember that the "culture" she thinks she speaks for, including those that hate her-- "the startup culture"-- is premis
1009486;1423185925;asciilifeform;kanzure: from a cursory reading of the linked log, it appears that you want a photolithographable engine ?
1009487;1423185928;mircea_popescu;ed on starting a business in order to sell the business to someone else.   Of course the idea is to get rich-- which sounds like capitalism, if you're retarded, but observe the message that is being taught: that the necessary correlate to getting rich is to give all the capital to someone else.   The power is traded for the fetish of power.  That's not capitalism, it is madness, and apparently Davos and Randi think wom
1009488;1423185935;mircea_popescu;en especially will heart it.   It'll work for a handful of well publicized people pictured above the caption, "$100 billion!  You could be next!"-- followed immediately by a story about how worthless the business turned out to be, so of course the goal for you is to sell out ASAP;  but the vast majority who have aligned their psychology with this vector will pursue an impossible fantasy at the expense of their labor an
1009489;1423185940;mircea_popescu;d their lives.  If you don't believe me, believe Lori Gottlieb.  This logic recommended to her to drop out of Stanford medical school to join Kibu.com, and now she's a relationship expert.
1009490;1423185943;mircea_popescu;god i searched for that quote...
1009491;1423185945;mircea_popescu;fucking lori gottlieb
1009492;1423185948;asciilifeform;kanzure: answer's easy - stirling with liquid piston.
1009493;1423185955;kanzure;asciilifeform: yes please. although other one-pass manufacturing processes will be considered.
1009494;1423185962;kanzure;hm
1009495;1423185965;asciilifeform;kanzure: you now have answer.
1009496;1423186007;mircea_popescu;im perhaps slow, but what is "one pass mfg process" even mean ?!
1009497;1423186039;kanzure;it means "don't spend 100 hours assembling tiny parts into a bigger device"
1009498;1423186043;asciilifeform;i'm assuming it refers to anything akin to printing, stamping, etching
1009499;1423186050;kanzure;correct
1009500;1423186058;mircea_popescu;so it's really "printable engine" ?
1009501;1423186064;asciilifeform;(etching is quite certainly not 'one pass' in any sense, but i can see how it might fit here)
1009502;1423186077;kanzure;i would say "printable engine" except then i would hate myself
1009503;1423186094;mircea_popescu;kanzure this nomenclature you use is very confusing for (admittedly,. old) people with actual manufacutring management experience. it sounds a lot like the earlier discussed lighbulb sql.
1009504;1423186132;kanzure;well that's what you get when mechanical engineering departments spend more time teaching me fucking excel spreadsheets than, you know, engineering
1009505;1423186136;kanzure;(i dropped out)
1009506;1423186164;mircea_popescu;basically, the notion that all manufacturing processes can be divided into an arbitrary number of passes at a gain of productivity is the tenet of that business for a century now.
1009507;1423186170;asciilifeform;kanzure: i may be able to give you more specific advice if you say what the engine is meant to drive.
1009508;1423186198;kanzure;asciilifeform: at minimum i need a few tens of newtons of force... in general.
1009509;1423186205;kanzure;but more would be nice
1009510;1423186210;asciilifeform;and also precisely why it needs to be lithographically produced
1009511;1423186219;kanzure;that's more the reason here
1009512;1423186243;mircea_popescu;well inasmuch you can print a bottle and fill it with a gas, you can make a rocket that'll produce 10 newtons or more.
1009513;1423186245;asciilifeform;force exerted on what ?
1009514;1423186248;asciilifeform;^
1009515;1423186258;kanzure;nothing in particular, just generic actuators i guess
1009516;1423186265;mircea_popescu;so, small ?
1009517;1423186269;asciilifeform;there is no such thing as 'generic actuator'
1009518;1423186282;kanzure;linear screw thread actuators are very useful at all sorts of sizes, but hard to manufacture (= require more steps and parts and manufacturing processes)
1009519;1423186285;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform i moved on to that after building a generic jammer, in my childhood :D
1009520;1423186293;asciilifeform;does the engine need to produce linear motion? turn a shaft? cycle more than once? more than a trillion times ?
1009521;1423186305;kanzure;oh that doesn't matter, you can convert most forms of motion
1009522;1423186311;mircea_popescu;by using parts lol
1009523;1423186346;asciilifeform;!up kanzure
1009524;1423186373;mircea_popescu;"Every time you hear the word globalism, you should hear three things: 1. wealth uncoupled from work product.  2. Lifestyle as a reflection of your personal self-worth.  3. You give up control of the capital, and by capital I mean you.    "Do I still get paid?"  Sure, but you have to promise to spend more than what we pay.  "How will that work?"  Don't worry, Visa will explain it all to you."
1009525;1423186378;mircea_popescu;i'd like to pay for this guy to have babies.
1009526;1423186385;kanzure;i'm not sure if mircea_popescu is being serious about this
1009527;1423186391;kanzure;since asciilifeform seems to understand i'll drop it
1009528;1423186394;asciilifeform;kanzure: if you merely wish to drive a linear actuator, use an inchworm motor. if you need extraordinary force, use terfenol-d for the piezo stacks.
1009529;1423186405;kanzure;a comb drive is approximately what i want
1009530;1423186412;kanzure;except it doesn't work for large amounts of force
1009531;1423186417;kanzure;or at "large" scale
1009532;1423186431;asciilifeform;hell, mhd actuator
1009533;1423186438;asciilifeform;as much force as you can sink heat.
1009534;1423186449;asciilifeform;(do you need precision? you didn't say whether did or not)
1009535;1423186452;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform i thought the inchworm's main application was precise movement
1009536;1423186453;asciilifeform;mhd - no parts at all
1009537;1423186458;mircea_popescu;rather than force.
1009538;1423186460;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: referring to mhd
1009539;1423186469;kanzure;hm i have a magnetohydrodynamics person in hplusroadmap. i will pester him.
1009540;1423186471;asciilifeform;where - little precision, arbitrary force
1009541;1423186491;asciilifeform;if your working fluid is even slightly conductive - mhd.
1009542;1423186525;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: was that tlp ?
1009543;1423186533;mircea_popescu;yes it was tlp.
1009544;1423186539;kanzure;where should i look for evidence of large force magnetohydrodynamic actuators
1009545;1423186548;asciilifeform;kanzure: your desk
1009546;1423186550;mircea_popescu;anyway inchworm means piezo in my head for some reason.
1009547;1423186574;asciilifeform;kanzure: 1) not hard to research the basic mechanics, it's primary school physics 2) not hard to build experimental concept
1009548;1423186582;asciilifeform;with elementary equip.
1009549;1423186623;kanzure;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=13JW-Ifg4wA
1009550;1423186624;assbot;High-thrust spiral motor : DigInfo - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1DEl29i )
1009551;1423186632;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: inchworm drive is not necessarily implemented with piezos (though usually), nor is a piezo actuator necessarily built on inchworm principle.
1009552;1423186641;kanzure;hm no
1009553;1423186666;kanzure;perhaps https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h_DjbYZ2eCM
1009554;1423186666;assbot;self-powered magnetohydrodynamic motor - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1DEleW3 )
1009555;1423186669;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform granted. just one of those mental automatisms that never had a chance to run into a door before.
1009556;1423186694;asciilifeform;kanzure: i think you just linked to a perpetuum mobile.
1009557;1423186708;mircea_popescu;well youtube research has its advantages.
1009558;1423186733;kanzure;a minute on youtube saves a decade in my lab
1009559;1423186742;asciilifeform;a decade in the lab saves you a minute...
1009560;1423186755;asciilifeform;(where? on #b-a, naturally.)
1009561;1423186766;kanzure;right... nobody in their right mind should use youtube.. yet here i am.
1009562;1423186808;asciilifeform;kanzure: is this engine search still connected with your microfluidics/high-throughput screening thing, or something new ?
1009563;1423186825;kanzure;vaguely connected i suppose
1009564;1423186827;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 38793 @ 0.00039754 = 15.4218 BTC [+]
1009565;1423186854;mircea_popescu;kanzure seriously, if efficiency is not a concern (and i take it not to be since you never mentioned it yet), a succession of bottles is your best bet.
1009566;1423186854;kanzure;having a flat/planar/single-pass-manufactured engine or actuator would be very useful for many reasons
1009567;1423186861;kanzure;of bottles?
1009568;1423186862;mircea_popescu;use precompressed gas, or combustion or w/e.
1009569;1423186889;asciilifeform;kanzure: you should be able to fabricate a linear mhd actuator using ordinary etched copper pcb.
1009570;1423186902;kanzure;fascinating
1009571;1423186913;asciilifeform;or, alternatively, a liquid-pistol stirling engine using two sheets of glass and a garden-variety co2 laser engraver
1009572;1423186924;asciilifeform;*piston
1009573;1423186933;mircea_popescu;oh!
1009574;1423186942;mircea_popescu;ok this is an idea! glass pane stirling heated by laser.
1009575;1423186943;asciilifeform;neither has moving parts in the usual sense
1009576;1423186962;kanzure;someone made a laser-pumped microfluidic device which was cute
1009577;1423186972;mircea_popescu;what's a good working fluid ? (high absorbtion / high expansion with temp) ?
1009578;1423186974;kanzure;also for cell lysis but w/e
1009579;1423186983;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu has it. can apply heat wherever you want it (laser, or electrically - indium or similar conductive layer on the glass)
1009580;1423186994;mircea_popescu;laser way cheaper.
1009581;1423187003;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: water works surprisingly well
1009582;1423187016;mircea_popescu;i was thinking, it's probably something like mg permanganate water solution
1009583;1423187016;kanzure;yeah but nobody is selling me a multi-kilowatt surface mount laser
1009584;1423187025;asciilifeform;kanzure: 'ebay' is.
1009585;1423187027;mircea_popescu;or w/e impurity works well for your wavelength
1009586;1423187029;asciilifeform;kanzure: how many do you need ?
1009587;1423187048;asciilifeform;(you don't need to mount the laser itself on the glass! fiber conduit)
1009588;1423187052;mircea_popescu;^
1009589;1423187057;mircea_popescu;laser is cheapest for many reasons
1009590;1423187069;kanzure;ebay is selling surface mount lasers that do >1 kW? hrm /me looks again
1009591;1423187087;kanzure;gah why did you send to me ebay
1009592;1423187090;kanzure;how about alibaba
1009593;1423187109;asciilifeform;if you need 1 - ebay
1009594;1423187112;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform in fairness, he could probably get away even with duct taping resistors on the pane.
1009595;1423187115;asciilifeform;1mil+ - alibaba
1009596;1423187147;kanzure;anyway this is not for micromotion
1009597;1423187156;asciilifeform;then - for what ?
1009598;1423187178;asciilifeform;kanzure: actual engineering usually happens with an objective
1009599;1423187193;kanzure;why can't i just have lots of reusable motion devices? >:(
1009600;1423187197;asciilifeform;can.
1009601;1423187202;asciilifeform;we named how many? 6 ?
1009602;1423187225;cazalla;http://calgaryherald.com/news/crime/man-admits-driving-pickup-truck-into-calgary-courts-centre <<< not qntra worthy but man drives his truck into court house, demands they submit to bitcoin lol
1009603;1423187227;assbot;Man admits driving pickup truck into Calgary Courts Centre | Calgary Herald ... ( http://bit.ly/1D3s09J )
1009604;1423187232;kanzure;let's say powering a conventional cnc machine maybe
1009605;1423187242;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform and therein lies your answer. or to quote the shockingly on point tlp, "Think seriously about what she (thinks she) wants:  acceptance of her individuality-- by work.  Not for her work product-- there is none; but for her individuality, by work.
1009606;1423187242;BingoBoingo;danielpbarron: https://twitter.com/danielpbarron/status/563512344308117504 << OTR and ephemeral keys have use cases
1009607;1423187244;assbot;It's great /JuliaAngwin got GPG donation love. Now OTR needs some too. It's much better crypto in many threat models https://t.co/MvruCAd1Ka
1009608;1423187244;kanzure;or car... but it wont really ever be used in a car i hope..
1009609;1423187244;mircea_popescu;First question: which work?  Not the job you have, it's real, and it's boring.  It is a future "career", the fantasy environment seen on TV dramas where all of life takes place.
1009610;1423187244;mircea_popescu;Second question: why work?  Men are not being taught to want their job to value them, in fact, men want as little to do with their jobs as possible.  Randi and the globalism party bus are teaching women to want "careers"-- more precisely, to want to draw more of their identity from their careers."
1009611;1423187256;asciilifeform;kanzure: this is a question i've put a great deal of thought in. what do you dislike re: existing actuators for cnc ?
1009612;1423187260;mircea_popescu;cazalla sheit ? why not qntra worthy ?
1009613;1423187291;kanzure;asciilifeform: i actually am very fond of linear screw actuators, but i would prefer something that can be manufactured using spatial light modulation with basically zero assembly steps.
1009614;1423187309;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo can the otr folks get pointed to the fact that a) openbsd got 20k and b) they'd better get their ass in here and start working up a track record ?
1009615;1423187317;kanzure;mhd looks like it could work
1009616;1423187320;asciilifeform;kanzure: zero assembly steps << hard to improve on mhd
1009617;1423187336;asciilifeform;if you don't need much precision at all, 'muscle wire'
1009618;1423187340;kanzure;i am also fond of things on the order of "resistive heating element + some surface" heh
1009619;1423187356;cazalla;mircea_popescu, i dunno, i guess i'll look into it more and see who he is, really only had a laff and moved on
1009620;1423187380;mircea_popescu;i like the principle, and the man deserves front page and his picture on the newspaper.
1009621;1423187382;mircea_popescu;hopefully more people do exactly the same.
1009622;1423187406;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: I wouldn't know where to start on that danielpbarron is having some sort of twitter conversation with Weev and just wanted to suggest there might be use cases for the OTR thing.
1009623;1423187427;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo me either, which is why i pester you about it :)
1009624;1423187445;ben_vulpes;mircea_popescu: "because the joo's a lazy reader." << pardon?
1009625;1423187449;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: otr/'forward secrecy' is simply the practice of generating an ephemeral key for a particular conversation, which is to be discarded later
1009626;1423187458;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes did you actually see the guy's cv ?
1009627;1423187464;ben_vulpes;yes.
1009628;1423187467;mircea_popescu;o.O
1009629;1423187471;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: Indeed, sort of like gossipd.
1009630;1423187473;mircea_popescu;holy shit, and that's all you had to say ?
1009631;1423187478;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: in the event one or the other participant is captured with his equipment, the ephemeral key is (presumably) gone.
1009632;1423187486;mircea_popescu;i changed my mind, you're not lazy, you're the heart of tactfulness.
1009633;1423187509;ben_vulpes;kinda what i was going for
1009634;1423187532;mircea_popescu;i had no idea you're that smooth.
1009635;1423187532;kanzure;asciilifeform: here are some things i was looking at yesterday http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/mems/
1009636;1423187534;mircea_popescu;no wonder you get laid.
1009637;1423187562;kanzure;asciilifeform: i have various parts laying around for homefab of microelectronics (on the order of a few hundred microns but whatever)
1009638;1423187579;kanzure;planning on same system for microfluidics adventures
1009639;1423187589;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes just keeps his tact quiet most of the time.
1009640;1423187601;mircea_popescu;kanzure alf spent i dunno, a year or os ? trying to build essentially a pick n place / fab lab for cardano
1009641;1423187603;kanzure;basically ghetto projector pointed down microscope tube
1009642;1423187605;asciilifeform;kanzure: assuming you just want linear motion of fluids - you should be able to get what you want from a sheet of glass. etch with co2 laser or hf.
1009643;1423187615;kanzure;have i ever ranted to you about my apt-get for hardware stuff
1009644;1423187639;asciilifeform;wat
1009645;1423187642;kanzure;hmm then i will pencil that in sometime
1009646;1423187660;kanzure;basically i want hardware but i don't want to have to spend my life reading millions of pages of documentation
1009647;1423187682;asciilifeform;kanzure: one could come to a worse fate than 'millions of pages of documentation'
1009648;1423187694;asciilifeform;for one thing, documentation is not even available for the most interesting devices
1009649;1423187697;kanzure;microelectronics vlsi doesn't require millions (well.. i mean.. not to make a single chip)
1009650;1423187697;mircea_popescu;what'd that be, pages of documentation that double every year ?
1009651;1423187706;asciilifeform;except as tiny dribbles of leak
1009652;1423187714;ben_vulpes;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=05-02-2015#1007991 << i didn't want to drive the kid away immediately
1009653;1423187714;assbot;Logged on 05-02-2015 06:51:10; ben_vulpes: absolutely none of this qualifies you to have an opinion about block size.
1009654;1423187717;kanzure;that's not what i mean
1009655;1423187719;ben_vulpes;assuming he's not a plant, that is
1009656;1423187721;asciilifeform;and reverse-engineered, at titanic sweat, data, years after said device is out of production
1009657;1423187743;kanzure;if making anything always requires me to make impossible investments in time and energy then none of the fun stuff will get made
1009658;1423187762;ben_vulpes;making anything always requires impossible investments of time and energy.
1009659;1423187774;kanzure;that's only because we're idiots
1009660;1423187791;ben_vulpes;impossible's more a function of available time/energy anyways. not an absolute thing.
1009661;1423187861;mircea_popescu;no, it's because Ὁ βίος βραχύς, ἡ δὲ τέχνη μακρή, ὁ δὲ καιρὸς ὀξύς, ἡ δὲ πεῖρα σφαλερή, ἡ δὲ κρίσις χαλεπή.
1009662;1423187870;kanzure;asciilifeform: pick and places are getting pretty cheap... though this one might still be out of my budget range: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SRu02F6AOmg&t=40s
1009663;1423187870;assbot;Fuji CP-643 Chip Shooter 20 Head - Circuit Board Assembly - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1DEoDEf )
1009664;1423187928;asciilifeform;kanzure: if you are trying to produce 5,000,000 units of xxx by next tuesday - that 'fuji' is your god and king, and pray to it
1009665;1423187944;asciilifeform;kanzure: if 100 xxx, at home - then why?!?!!
1009666;1423187991;kanzure;i wasn't claiming i was mass manufacturing anything like that at home
1009667;1423187994;kanzure;blah
1009668;1423188021;mircea_popescu;stop getting in the way of dreams and aspirations alfie
1009669;1423188038;asciilifeform;dr34mz
1009670;1423188071;ben_vulpes;<asciilifeform> [] kanzure: tried plain old tesla turbine ? << talk about boyhood dreams
1009671;1423188087;ben_vulpes;i built so much errata in pursuit of that thing
1009672;1423188091;ben_vulpes;a fucking waste oil furnace
1009673;1423188093;ben_vulpes;my own flash boiler
1009674;1423188098;ben_vulpes;a reheater
1009675;1423188106;mircea_popescu;o.O
1009676;1423188110;kanzure;asciilifeform: also.. we should run a (human) selective breeding program for cryoresuscitation-compatibility.
1009677;1423188115;ben_vulpes;mircea_popescu: what?!
1009678;1423188124;mircea_popescu;i never was that cool as a boy.
1009679;1423188132;asciilifeform;kanzure: try with smaller organism first ?
1009680;1423188143;kanzure;of course
1009681;1423188148;kanzure;way ahead of you
1009682;1423188150;asciilifeform;kanzure: probably will have more luck with selective breeding for breathing vacuum
1009683;1423188161;kanzure;well why bother with breathing at that point? what?
1009684;1423188169;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 2100 @ 0.00097074 = 2.0386 BTC [+] {3} 
1009685;1423188175;decimation;lol that chip shooter is hardcore, but how many bezzlars?
1009686;1423188175;ben_vulpes;mircea_popescu: weren't you killing people and building criminal empires then?
1009687;1423188209;mircea_popescu;allegedly.
1009688;1423188218;asciilifeform;kanzure: what would you be breeding? cell membranes resistant to ice?
1009689;1423188220;mircea_popescu;but building furnaces ? that's like work.
1009690;1423188231;asciilifeform;kanzure: biological 'antifreeze' as in certain frogs ?
1009691;1423188231;ben_vulpes;<asciilifeform> [] flat enough with one disk << i did my own axle and used HD disks to get better boundary layer performance
1009692;1423188253;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: neato
1009693;1423188263;asciilifeform;i think nowadays folks normally build them out of hd platters
1009694;1423188269;asciilifeform;they're nearly perfect for the job as they come
1009695;1423188271;mircea_popescu;incidentally re teh cryo stuff, anyone seen hibernatus ?
1009696;1423188275;ben_vulpes;never got the gas steam bearings to work tho
1009697;1423188350;decimation;mircea_popescu: lol he goes on: "It's probably unnecessary to point out that this increase in lifestyle is built on the increased work product of whoever will do it for 30 cents an hour, and anyway it is a red herring.  The real attraction for us isn't just the lifestyle, but that it systematizes-- it makes normal-- not ever wondering: how come we have more lifestyle when we didn't do more work? "
1009698;1423188395;mircea_popescu;decimation the guy's exquisite chjoice of relevant subject matter, and the fearless approach has thoroughly impressed me.
1009699;1423188419;decimation;yeah he makes alot of sense
1009700;1423188440;ben_vulpes;i also kicked around a design for a nifty reciprocal engine where the piston was really just a magnet-bearing shuttle zipping back and forth through coils for insta-ac
1009701;1423188441;mircea_popescu;" My face is in my hands and I wonder how anyone could be asked to raise a girl in such a world?  Recently a female cardiologist with a "difficult" 10 year old daughter who had been well trained to want things but not control things asked me if I had read "the study in the New York Times"-- !?!?!?!?!?-- that said that people with the same surname, over generations, continued to achieve the same level of wealth, showing
1009702;1423188441;mircea_popescu; "therefore" that genetic factors were more important than the home environment in determining social mobility, isn't that probably true?  Having to do this sober I asked her, "But didn't you change your surname 11 years ago?  Or are you betting she can just upgrade hers?"  What else could I say?  If you read it, it's for you?"
1009703;1423188475;mircea_popescu;the divorcing of people's skills from their general ability to think, neatly mirroring the divorce between want and control, and for that matter between capital and power.
1009704;1423188494;mircea_popescu;"how to support the welfare state ? oh, simply cut everyone in two and hide the halves"
1009705;1423188498;mircea_popescu;sounds like fucking plato already.
1009706;1423188516;decimation;re: 30 cents an hour: http://spectrum.ieee.org/view-from-the-valley/at-work/tech-careers/massive-worldwide-layoff-underway-at-ibm "At more than 100,000 people, that makes it the largest mass layoff at any U.S. corporation in at least 20 years."
1009707;1423188518;assbot;Massive Worldwide Layoff Underway At IBM - IEEE Spectrum ... ( http://bit.ly/1DEq7yl )
1009708;1423188520;mircea_popescu;"you can probably extract some work out of the desperate movements of half people in the environment'
1009709;1423188553;mircea_popescu;decimation from the very log of the very day : http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=05-02-2015#1009373
1009710;1423188553;assbot;Logged on 05-02-2015 23:51:15; mircea_popescu: "The one great example is IBM, which faced disruption and existential threat from PCs in the early 1990s and emerged stronger and is still a thriving company. "
1009711;1423188564;ben_vulpes;oh yeah that idiot
1009712;1423188568;ben_vulpes;fintech whatever whatever?
1009713;1423188571;ben_vulpes;dunn something?
1009714;1423188585;decimation;yeah it's thriving alright
1009715;1423188614;BingoBoingo;decimation: Sure, keeps making more dollars for doing less things.
1009716;1423188619;mircea_popescu;real estate company for the win.
1009717;1423188634;decimation;as far as I can gather from employee comments, the 'thriving' at IBM basically consists of brokering indians to write shit code
1009718;1423188637;mircea_popescu;but in the insane story of post-qe world, it makes it's own sort of sense.
1009719;1423188645;BingoBoingo;IBM's probably one of the largest benefactors of fiat world inflation
1009720;1423188736;ben_vulpes;<asciilifeform> mircea_popescu: water works surprisingly well << oh let us not get ben_vulpes started on the wonders of steam
1009721;1423188739;mircea_popescu;trinque: you want to build your visa? build it on bitcoin, but don't systemd the thing and decide it must have a visa built in << that's not a bnad angle.
1009722;1423188753;ben_vulpes;asciilifeform: "process man" << i guess more accurate than i ever thought
1009723;1423188783;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes didja get on the part of teh log where the entire d&t think you were discussing with danielpbarron etc is dispelled ?
1009724;1423188799;ben_vulpes;hmwat?
1009725;1423188806;ben_vulpes;d and t?
1009726;1423188820;mircea_popescu;http://trilema.com/2015/gerald-davis-is-wrong-heres-why/
1009727;1423188821;assbot;Gerald Davis is wrong. Here's why. pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.  ... ( http://bit.ly/1D3u819 )
1009728;1423188826;mircea_popescu;the post phillip guy was concerned with.
1009729;1423188840;asciilifeform;^ epic ps0t btw
1009730;1423188864;decimation;re: IBM in the 90's < they didn't 'face disruption', they made one of the largest mistakes in business history
1009731;1423188869;mircea_popescu;http://log1.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=05-02-2015#1008091 << bnwahaha
1009732;1423188869;assbot;Logged on 05-02-2015 07:23:19; punkman: phillipsjk: the 1MB limit is not to stop spam
1009733;1423188883;mircea_popescu;decimation but they made so many!
1009734;1423188911;decimation;they had 30 years of usg/bezzlar computers locked up and were too retarded to market it
1009735;1423188947;mircea_popescu;but no. i suspect that may be missing the point.
1009736;1423188960;mircea_popescu;see, they had 30 years locked up, and AS A CONDITION OF THIS LOCK UP they couldn't market it.
1009737;1423188970;mircea_popescu;because they had to spend their time instead discussing how young men should wear a tie.
1009738;1423189046;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes: phillipsjk: where did you get that key, anyways? did you buy it? << fwiw i believe teh guy's genuine.
1009739;1423189071;mircea_popescu;trinque: will my btcd still fart transactions at other nodes if I haven't finished syncing the blockchain? << yes.
1009740;1423189075;ben_vulpes;i don't believe anything
1009741;1423189078;mircea_popescu;except some times.
1009742;1423189085;ben_vulpes;mircea_popescu: the man's talking about btcd, not bitcoind
1009743;1423189097;mod6;ok, i've dumped block 168000
1009744;1423189105;mod6;http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=vxM6dfwC
1009745;1423189106;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1DEroWi )
1009746;1423189111;mircea_popescu;o.O it's text ?!
1009747;1423189150;ben_vulpes;nah, comes from andresens bag of snakes
1009748;1423189154;mod6;haha
1009749;1423189162;mircea_popescu;BLOCK 000000000000099e61ea72015e79632f216fe6cb33d7899acb35b75c8303b763 << it checks out.
1009750;1423189204;ben_vulpes;whaddayamean, "checks out"
1009751;1423189209;mircea_popescu;uhm. there's nothing actually wrong with this block.
1009752;1423189217;mod6;and bag-o-snakes doesn't turn up 168,001 which makes sense, since it chokes on somethingthere
1009753;1423189225;mod6;mircea_popescu: correct.
1009754;1423189271;mod6;take a look at this other test i ran today with /just/ v0.5.3 basecode: http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=9U2VHnRx
1009755;1423189271;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1DErQ6I )
1009756;1423189279;mircea_popescu;mod6 a remote possibility was that your problem somehow came from a bad block, tho i have/had no idea wtf that'd be
1009757;1423189281;ben_vulpes;what was the story with a certain version of ssl breaking some kinds of btc signatures?
1009758;1423189283;mod6;block 168,000 was accepted
1009759;1423189284;mircea_popescu;which is why i asked for dump
1009760;1423189314;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes most recent openssl which bitcoind imports decided to accept as valid padded sigs
1009761;1423189318;mod6;something in block 168,001 makes it puke perhaps from that failed VerifySignature
1009762;1423189342;mircea_popescu;mod6 yes but see, a 168`000 diddled block is a huge issue, because checkpoint.
1009763;1423189352;mircea_popescu;a diddled 168`001 block, not even nearly so much.
1009764;1423189376;mod6;maybe it's not a diddled 168,000 block
1009765;1423189387;mircea_popescu;this doesn't seem to be in any way ungood.
1009766;1423189388;mod6;maybe its 168,001 that's hosing us.
1009767;1423189396;ben_vulpes;i think mp's implication is that 168001 is diddled
1009768;1423189404;mircea_popescu;it's not, no.
1009769;1423189406;mod6;well, im just trying to pin it down to where we go wrong.
1009770;1423189414;mod6;i can still provide some sort of binary dump.
1009771;1423189435;mod6;im just gathering data as best/quickly as i can
1009772;1423189448;mircea_popescu;works mod6
1009773;1423189461;mod6;you testing on your end?
1009774;1423189510;mod6;nm.
1009775;1423189534;mircea_popescu;well i've not got a wedged one
1009776;1423189553;mod6;that's good!
1009777;1423189563;mod6;which version, which patches?
1009778;1423189621;trinque;mircea_popescu: yeh need the confirmation though to publish
1009779;1423189638;trinque;that drive got destroyed in the process; blockchain on the server's now at like aug 2013
1009780;1423189651;mircea_popescu;mod6 oh the mysterious mp stuff, most of which dates from 2012
1009781;1423189659;mod6;oh, ok.
1009782;1423189663;trinque;I guess I could just ask blockchain.info for the confirmations in the meantime
1009783;1423189677;ben_vulpes;not cockchain!
1009784;1423189684;trinque;ben_vulpes: I don't realy want to...
1009785;1423189687;mircea_popescu;yeah don't drag that in .
1009786;1423189711;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: 'process man' << 'Well a process man am I and I'm tellin' you no lie / I work and breathe among the fumes that tread across the sky...'
1009787;1423189732;mod6;yeah, i mean, as recently as the 26th of january I was able to full sync and send/receive with: v053+patches { 1, rm_rf_upnp, 2, 3, 4, & 6 } and other people have gotten past it as well. so its not consistant as far as I can tell.
1009788;1423189746;mircea_popescu;howling shit whay this log no ends!
1009789;1423189750;mircea_popescu;i've been reading at it all day
1009790;1423189755;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16200 @ 0.00039794 = 6.4466 BTC [+]
1009791;1423189858;mod6;hmm. anyway, ok.  anyway, that's pretty much the latest.
1009792;1423189886;mod6;so I'll keep digging in the blk0001.dat file to see what I can find in there.
1009793;1423189891;mod6;:]
1009794;1423189924;mircea_popescu;"Once the attack was discovered, Anthem immediately made every effort to close the security vulnerability, contacted the FBI and began fully cooperating with their investigation. Anthem has also retained Mandiant, one of the world�s leading cybersecurity firms, to evaluate our systems and identify solutions based on the evolving landscape."
1009795;1423189926;mircea_popescu;blergh.
1009796;1423189928;ben_vulpes;none of the portatronic builds are wedging like this, right?
1009797;1423189941;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: danielpbarron's was, no ?
1009798;1423189941;mircea_popescu;"dear sheep. we lost your mother. we paid off the government agent for a fix. the fix is in. fuck you."
1009799;1423189965;mircea_popescu;not afaik ?
1009800;1423189972;asciilifeform;288888, incidentally.
1009801;1423190003;ben_vulpes;danielpbarron: do you have a wedged portatron?
1009802;1423190013;mircea_popescu;"From the Desk of Joseph R. Swedish President and CEO Anthem, Inc." << "we now act just like warrior forum scammers - it's the industree"
1009803;1423190124;mod6;this is the txhash that it pukes on: http://btc.blockr.io/tx/info/2c2314f353013f920d8fbfde242d7d23ba4cb9b97dc24f481dd0ccfd8f56324c
1009804;1423190124;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1DEuolt )
1009805;1423190397;danielpbarron;mine didn't wedge
1009806;1423190411;danielpbarron;height=188068
1009807;1423190444;danielpbarron;it's the porta-tronic-bastard version
1009808;1423190446;mircea_popescu;!rated lobbes
1009809;1423190447;assbot;You have not rated lobbes.
1009810;1423190456;ben_vulpes;asciilifeform: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=edAxujKev1I << reminds me of the time i've spent deep in the bowels of D1X and friends
1009811;1423190456;assbot;The Chemical Worker's Song by Great Big Sea - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1DEvv4G )
1009812;1423190458;danielpbarron;i will soon be testing a non-bastard one that i compiled myself
1009813;1423190459;mircea_popescu;!rate lobbes 1 Well... he did teach himself how to view a directory...
1009814;1423190459;assbot;Request successful, get your OTP: http://w.b-a.link/otp/0aab3f743d4aad9b
1009815;1423190532;mircea_popescu;omfg done! yay!
1009816;1423190632;asciilifeform;danielpbarron: neato
1009817;1423190637;asciilifeform;danielpbarron: for 'pogo' ?
1009818;1423190684;danielpbarron;ya
1009819;1423190699;danielpbarron;idk if it'll work yet but i have a bitcoind
1009820;1423190743;danielpbarron;i had to change "make install"  to "make install_sw"  for the openssl compilation
1009821;1423190747;danielpbarron;that fixed it.
1009822;1423191009;asciilifeform;danielpbarron: what version of openssl ?
1009823;1423191054;danielpbarron;same as yours in auto.sh
1009824;1423191063;asciilifeform;building on what platform ?
1009825;1423191065;danielpbarron;the only thing i changed in that file is the make install thing
1009826;1423191078;danielpbarron;gentoo
1009827;1423191081;asciilifeform;odd, then
1009828;1423191085;asciilifeform;should not have had to change anything.
1009829;1423191092;asciilifeform;whatsoever.
1009830;1423191097;danielpbarron;that's the assumption that was holding me back :p
1009831;1423191113;danielpbarron;idk i probably messed something up somewhere
1009832;1423191126;danielpbarron;this is the 2nd time i've sucessfully installed gentoo on something
1009833;1423191128;asciilifeform;66ebbad3c8ad98a07b486d39d0c3ae62b00133f8f2877cf8b97c461e7c7f40b29cf9c3cae82cf73a92dcf1daa63d33aa76c910fbcbe60158589fc7cb48f41e6d  openssl-1.0.1g.tar.gz
1009834;1423191130;asciilifeform;(sha512)
1009835;1423191132;asciilifeform;what's yours ?
1009836;1423191145;decimation;mircea_popescu: lol anthem is my health insurance
1009837;1423191149;ben_vulpes;danielpbarron: that gets me two up on you
1009838;1423191166;danielpbarron;i can't copy paste it easily right now, but it's the same as that asciilifeform
1009839;1423191168;decimation;they said they would send a special email later when they "figure out" if I am affected or not
1009840;1423191188;decimation;the bigger issue is the fact that you have to keep your social security number a 'secret'
1009841;1423191194;danielpbarron;oh wait i have it hosted already
1009842;1423191200;danielpbarron;http://danielpbarron.com/pogo-build.sh.txt
1009843;1423191201;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1DEytpU )
1009844;1423191206;ben_vulpes;ssn secret is best secret
1009845;1423191211;danielpbarron;ctrl+f openssl
1009846;1423191214;asciilifeform;danielpbarron: read the makefile
1009847;1423191228;asciilifeform;danielpbarron: 'install' is 'all install_docs install_sw'
1009848;1423191237;asciilifeform;i take it you had the latex docs bug ?
1009849;1423191242;danielpbarron;yes
1009850;1423191248;asciilifeform;then safe to ignore.
1009851;1423191344;mircea_popescu;decimation well... secret in the sense you're supposed to keep your genitals secret neh ?
1009852;1423191439;decimation;in the us, if someone has your name, address, and ssn they can apply for 'credit' on your behalf
1009853;1423191460;asciilifeform;and, depending on your credit rating, buy a 'boeing' with no questions asked.
1009854;1423191474;decimation;similarly, they can present themselves to the local doctor as you and send you medical bills
1009855;1423191476;asciilifeform;usg sees this as a civil service!
1009856;1423191492;asciilifeform;i.e. if you refuse to sell yourself into debt slavery, someone is to do it for you.
1009857;1423191503;decimation;somehow this is not the problem, it's the fact that derps can't keep the ssn 'secret' is the problem
1009858;1423191520;asciilifeform;a... 24 bit? secret
1009859;1423191524;asciilifeform;big fat secret.
1009860;1423191533;decimation;asciilifeform: just as secret as your credit card number
1009861;1423191541;decimation;and checking account number
1009862;1423191544;asciilifeform;which is known to ten thousand waiters.
1009863;1423191571;asciilifeform;checking << known to everyone you ever write a cheque to...
1009864;1423191608;decimation;asciilifeform: the inevitable conclusion is that the banks/usg do not mind criminals making money off the fucktarded system
1009865;1423191662;asciilifeform;the biggest criminal, usg, makes most of it.
1009866;1423191702;decimation;it is certainly one way that wealth is is transferred to the 'deserving' - robin hood style
1009867;1423191732;mircea_popescu;well, you may not believe this or like this, but... my banking depends on my gpg signature o.O
1009868;1423191739;*;asciilifeform once worked with a nearly-penniless foreign postdoc whose departure from usa was hastened by some bureaucrat (who handled his papers) deciding to... buy a house in his name
1009869;1423191757;asciilifeform;we all want to use mircea_popescu's bank of mars.
1009870;1423191786;mircea_popescu;crazy huh.
1009871;1423191804;asciilifeform;they caught the woman, eventually, and there was some penalty (a light one, iirc) but it did not send the creditors back to the holes they crawled out of
1009872;1423191815;asciilifeform;and, having the option to be rid of this mess, he took it
1009873;1423191834;decimation;asciilifeform: right, the banks don't give a shit because 1.) they generally don't get stuck with the bill and 2.) when they do, usg prints them up some bezzlars
1009874;1423191870;asciilifeform;they also get best of both worlds if the victim is retarded, and saddles himself with the debt
1009875;1423191873;asciilifeform;in any number of ways
1009876;1423191890;asciilifeform;(in most u.s. states, paying even a penny - glues it to you permanently)
1009877;1423191906;mircea_popescu;nah, only for five years iirc.
1009878;1423191910;decimation;the whole system tends to inject bezzlars randomly throughout the 'real' economy
1009879;1423191912;asciilifeform;ianal.
1009880;1423191913;mircea_popescu;course if you "continue contact" it resets
1009881;1423192039;asciilifeform; system tends to inject bezzlars randomly throughout the 'real' economy << at this point, this is not unlike worrying about the health effects of the embalming solution undertakers inject into their 'patients'
1009882;1423192043;decimation;'begging for gpg via media' http://www.propublica.org/article/the-worlds-email-encryption-software-relies-on-one-guy-who-is-going-broke
1009883;1423192045;assbot;The World’s Email Encryption Software Relies on One Guy, Who is Going Broke - ProPublica ... ( http://bit.ly/1DEC1s6 )
1009884;1423192096;asciilifeform;decimation: looks like that fella wins 'beggar of the year' ?
1009885;1423192102;decimation;asciilifeform: look in the corner of his computer room - looks like a radio transmitter above his o-scope
1009886;1423192129;asciilifeform;a number of common household tools in the photo
1009887;1423192145;mircea_popescu;"What is Social Security Number (SSN) Randomization? The project is a forward looking initiative of the Social Security Administration (SSA) to help protect the integrity of the SSN by establishing a new randomized assignment methodology. SSN Randomization will also extend the longevity of the nine-digit SSN nationwide."
1009888;1423192157;mircea_popescu;ahem. 9 digits are going to be sufficient for 300mn people ?
1009889;1423192161;asciilifeform;a cheapo soldering station, etc.
1009890;1423192186;asciilifeform;'model m', with the inevitable pen clutter
1009891;1423192198;decimation;mircea_popescu: it's a lulzy recycling program - in the past, us ssn's were assigned by geographical region
1009892;1423192212;asciilifeform;afaik they still are ?
1009893;1423192246;decimation;no that's the point of that 'randomization' program I think
1009894;1423192293;asciilifeform;pointless distraction.
1009895;1423192453;asciilifeform;the fiat world's refusal to use modern crypto exclusively is not a mistake, not an accident, not sloth
1009896;1423192456;decimation;http://www.ssa.gov/employer/randomization.html << all you wanted to know
1009897;1423192457;assbot;Social Security Number Randomization ... ( http://bit.ly/1DEE2Va )
1009898;1423192458;asciilifeform;it is a deliberate and planned act
1009899;1423192486;asciilifeform;just like the failure-to-mention-mpex discussed in mircea_popescu's article
1009900;1423192507;decimation;asciilifeform: the reason given against crypto is that the masses would reject a 'universal id' card
1009901;1423192522;asciilifeform;forget universal anything-card
1009902;1423192528;decimation;but I don't see why the government should have anything to do with verifying identity anyway
1009903;1423192529;asciilifeform;just the notion that 'you are a key'
1009904;1423192536;asciilifeform;not even necessarily one key
1009905;1423192561;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15961 @ 0.0003885 = 6.2008 BTC [-]
1009906;1423192563;decimation;why can't I go to the local costco and broker credit through them?
1009907;1423192574;asciilifeform;but the notion that commercial identity can exist outside of a key - is a work of the beast.
1009908;1423192634;decimation;asciilifeform: aye that's true
1009909;1423192659;decimation;but you see in the usa, it is unthinkable that usg wouldn't issue keys
1009910;1423192680;asciilifeform;naturally.
1009911;1423192704;asciilifeform;it would be unthinkable for anyone other than usg to wipe arses, if this were practical.
1009912;1423192865;asciilifeform;(for n00bs: http://www.loper-os.org/?p=1323 << describes, among other things, the curious fact that within usg, only specially trained gnomes are permitted the privilege of generating keys, for use by all ranks from private to president)
1009913;1423192867;assbot;Loper OS » A Country of Which Nothing is Known but the Name. ... ( http://bit.ly/1DEFVkM )
1009914;1423192867;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24100 @ 0.00039713 = 9.5708 BTC [+] {2} 
1009915;1423192896;decimation;or similarly, it is unthinkable that a non-usg-approved-bank would issue credit or bank
1009916;1423192924;asciilifeform;that was conclusively suppressed after u.s. civil war, iirc.
1009917;1423192975;thestringpuller;the keymaker isn't entirely bad concept
1009918;1423192986;asciilifeform;thestringpuller: for whom ?
1009919;1423192991;decimation;ah, yes, the author of gpg is a ham http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Dd9jn
1009920;1423192992;assbot;User:Dd9jn - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ... ( http://bit.ly/1DEGomQ )
1009921;1423193004;asciilifeform;thestringpuller: for keymaker - a smashingly great concept.
1009922;1423193022;thestringpuller;have you not seen the matrix?
1009923;1423193033;thestringpuller;why would you not one smith who can make any key for any vessel?
1009924;1423193034;asciilifeform;thestringpuller: you go and fuck your wife, but you mustn't slip it in directly - gotta put it in this little gnome fella first
1009925;1423193041;asciilifeform;and he sticks his in the wife
1009926;1423193046;asciilifeform;any other way - treasonous.
1009927;1423193074;thestringpuller;from this standpoint yes
1009928;1423193091;thestringpuller;but concept of keymaker "program" entity/individual who is skeleton key maker
1009929;1423193097;mod6;lol pillow pants
1009930;1423193101;thestringpuller;is extremely valuable
1009931;1423193108;thestringpuller;unlock all the things
1009932;1423193127;thestringpuller;mod6: has been watching too many mc hammer videos
1009933;1423193141;asciilifeform;;;ud pillow pants
1009934;1423193141;gribble;http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=pillow+pants | pillow pants. Pussy Troll. The parents place it in their daughter pussy. If a penis trys entering the pussy before the age of 21 then the Pussy Troll will bite it off.
1009935;1423193229;thestringpuller;TIL
1009936;1423193280;mircea_popescu;...
1009937;1423193300;mircea_popescu;so basically, by pulling a ssn out of my arse i have just about 1:2 odds of hitting someone
1009938;1423193320;asciilifeform;aha.
1009939;1423193329;mircea_popescu;and what's better, since they are re=used, you needn't only worry about your own indiscretions, but those of people long dead
1009940;1423193339;mircea_popescu;this sounds a lot like getting used skin to live in.
1009941;1423193341;asciilifeform;and for all of fiddybucks, a name, mailing addr., work history, political party, to go with it.
1009942;1423193383;asciilifeform;generally the credit agencies are somewhat better at tracking deaths than, e.g., the voter rolls
1009943;1423193383;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform i think this is the best proof possible that current usg does not expect to survive more than a few years into the future anyway.
1009944;1423193390;asciilifeform;see above
1009945;1423193394;thestringpuller;asciilifeform: this is probably how CIA makes assets these days
1009946;1423193396;thestringpuller;or at least cover
1009947;1423193421;asciilifeform;thestringpuller: it is a traditional algorithm for crafting fake people for official uses
1009948;1423193427;asciilifeform;not even a secret of any kind
1009949;1423193437;asciilifeform;(openly discussed in agency-authorized historical texts)
1009950;1423193518;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: usg does not care (or even encourages, see earlier 'house-buying' postdoc story) about a plebe impersonating another plebe.
1009951;1423193536;asciilifeform;when some hobo successfully impersonates obama, or buffett - then.
1009952;1423193550;mod6;thestringpuller: http://youtu.be/-YaX2jLc_ko
1009953;1423193551;assbot;Clerks 2- pillowpants - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1zmmcqA )
1009954;1423193555;mircea_popescu;i doubt it's aware enough for something like this.
1009955;1423193573;thestringpuller;good 'ol kevin smith
1009956;1423193589;asciilifeform;who wants to be the first to buy a certified pre-owned (tm) ru nuke sub as mr buffett ?
1009957;1423193607;decimation;http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/09/23/us-usa-intelligence-mobile-idUSTRE78M5BI20110923
1009958;1423193609;assbot;      Not so simple: U.S. spy agency trying to go mobile| Reuters ... ( http://bit.ly/1zmmoX0 )
1009959;1423193638;decimation;"Generals and others have been known to become so frustrated with the existing devices that they switch to personal cellphones to conduct classified conversations, according to a former U.S. official."
1009960;1423193653;decimation;apparently nobody in usg gives a shit
1009961;1423193665;asciilifeform;the 'obamaphone' (not the one handed out to paupers, the other obamaphone) is well-known at this point
1009962;1423193785;decimation;http://ca.reuters.com/article/technologyNews/idCATRE6BF6BZ20101216 < ""There's no such thing as 'secure' any more," Debora Plunkett of the National Security Agency said on Thursday amid U.S. anger and embarrassment over disclosure of sensitive diplomatic cables by the web site WikiLeaks."
1009963;1423193786;assbot;    U.S. code-cracking agency works as if compromised| Technology| Reuters ... ( http://bit.ly/1DEJEyK )
1009964;1423193814;mircea_popescu;decimation they probably manifest that list of qualities which made "state' such a damning adjective in romanian.
1009965;1423193827;mircea_popescu;to get an idea, picture blackberry today. in romanian it'd be "state ipad"
1009966;1423193845;asciilifeform;decimation: that article has the beginnings of a glorious 'onion piece'
1009967;1423193848;mircea_popescu;iirc in russian similarly.,
1009968;1423193876;asciilifeform;'of course we must assume that the adversary owns the network. this is why nukes must be expected to fly anywhere at all, .... ...'
1009969;1423193922;asciilifeform;'state ipad', but one nitpick, this presumes that somewhere there lives a 'normal' one.
1009970;1423193940;mircea_popescu;no. just a... sexy one.
1009971;1423193958;asciilifeform;http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/2015/02/05/why-we-should-care-about-domestic-drones-and-how-to-bring-them-down << loltronic
1009972;1423193960;assbot;                    Why we should worry about domestic drones and how to bring them down             ... ( http://bit.ly/1zmnB0l )
1009973;1423193960;mircea_popescu;people's disenchantment with their own wives isn't predicated on the theory that somewhere there's a sane woman waiting.
1009974;1423193967;mircea_popescu;merely, younger, nakeder, eager-er.
1009975;1423193970;asciilifeform;^ recall mircea_popescu's 'nobody could have foreseen' article
1009976;1423193973;decimation;asciilifeform: yes it's actually an extraordinary admission of usg's capitulation
1009977;1423194010;decimation;"making things secure is hard, let's just give up"
1009978;1423194022;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform heh reuters has a yearlong delay off trilema huh.
1009979;1423194030;asciilifeform;decimation: psyops to make plebes give up sooner.
1009980;1423194058;decimation;eh, I'm not so sure.  the implication of that would be that usg is extraordinarily competent
1009981;1423194108;asciilifeform;[insert 'meta-nsa' thread here]
1009982;1423194123;decimation;aye
1009983;1423194148;asciilifeform;'A Homeland Security sensor deployed to spot � but not interfere with � drones flying above the Major League Baseball All-Star Game in Minneapolis last July �cost several hundred thousand dollars to operate for just that night,� reported the New York Times.'
1009984;1423194154;*;asciilifeform falls down from lulz
1009985;1423194192;asciilifeform;'The Secret Service uses covert radio-frequency jammers inside a Chevrolet Suburban that travels with the president�s motorcade. These devices disable remotely triggered improvised bombs. But because they have to disable explosives set off by a potentially large number of frequencies, the jammers saturate a wide spectrum, occasionally interfering with cellphones nearby.' << this deserves an aside
1009986;1423194213;asciilifeform;the particular apparatus involved is discussed in reasonably clear terms in textbooks
1009987;1423194261;asciilifeform;e.g., r. poisel's 'communications electronic warfare systems'
1009988;1423194270;asciilifeform;^ not a bad place to start
1009989;1423194288;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu ^ 'g3n3r1c j4mm3rz!'
1009990;1423194302;mircea_popescu;um... wouldn't you just set the bomb to go off when the jammer goes by ?
1009991;1423194307;mircea_popescu;what are these people, idiots ?
1009992;1423194326;asciilifeform;what's actually inside? unsurprisingly, a catalogue of frequencies used by cellular, wireless housephones, toy cars, teledildoes...
1009993;1423194365;asciilifeform;wouldn't you set off << a) no, because, e.g., toy car or phone has a discriminator - required bitstring (a la 'MAC address') that must match
1009994;1423194373;asciilifeform;to avoid interference from neighbours' teledildoes
1009995;1423194380;decimation;asciilifeform: re: wasting money on 'security' < http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/philg/2014/10/01/white-house-security/
1009996;1423194381;assbot;Philip Greenspun's Weblog » White House Security ... ( http://bit.ly/1DELVdh )
1009997;1423194392;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 66000 @ 0.00038944 = 25.703 BTC [-]
1009998;1423194401;asciilifeform;b) if set off, because receiver was built from shoebox, string and dead squirrel - this is meant to happen -before- the truck reaches the mine
1009999;1423194433;decimation;not if the bomb is sufficiently large
1010000;1423194434;asciilifeform;decimation: see also 'wasp'.
1010001;1423194435;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform but you make your own reception.
1010002;1423194449;mircea_popescu;set it to go off whenever a large collection of radiodildoes, phones and toy cars goes over it
1010003;1423194470;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: americans themselves have a specially custom rocket that does only this.
1010004;1423194476;mircea_popescu;right.
1010005;1423194476;asciilifeform;and likewise most nations
1010006;1423194479;*;decimation does not condone violence against any living thing
1010007;1423194518;*;asciilifeform condones violence against chickens
1010008;1423194539;*;asciilifeform and potatoes
1010009;1423194581;mircea_popescu;i condone all violence that doesn't sit around waiting for my condonement.
1010010;1423194589;mircea_popescu;wtf bs violence is this.
1010011;1423194589;decimation;like your software license?
1010012;1423194605;mircea_popescu;i guess so, huh.
1010013;1423194618;asciilifeform;unlicense!
1010014;1423194684;mircea_popescu;'I don't want to join the bloody Army, I don't want to go unto the war; I want no more to roam, I'd rather stay at home, Living on the earnings of a whore.'
1010015;1423194703;asciilifeform;https://medium.com/war-is-boring/the-chinese-military-blasted-a-private-drone-with-a-shotgun-5789a7483014
1010016;1423194705;assbot;The Chinese Military Blasted a Private Drone With a Shotgun — War Is Boring — Medium ... ( http://bit.ly/1zmpIBo )
1010017;1423194706;asciilifeform;^ related
1010018;1423194922;scoopbot;New post on Qntra.net by cazalla: http://qntra.net/2015/02/canadian-mans-letter-to-court-accept-bitcoin-as-the-one-and-only-global-currency/
1010019;1423194977;asciilifeform;re: jammers:
1010020;1423194987;asciilifeform;terrain tracking navigator is not such a hard problem.
1010021;1423194994;asciilifeform;jam that.
1010022;1423195048;mircea_popescu;duffel ?
1010023;1423195163;decimation;re: ibm < of course the 100,000 person layoff comes after paying $1.3 bn to not make chips anymore http://www.extremetech.com/computing/192430-ibm-dumps-chip-unit-pays-globalfoundries-1-5-billion-to-take-the-business-off-its-hands
1010024;1423195164;assbot;IBM sells chip business to GlobalFoundries for $1.5 billion (updated) | ExtremeTech ... ( http://bit.ly/1zmqNJt )
1010025;1423195178;decimation;which is of course its only possible route to relevance
1010026;1423195246;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 3234 @ 0.00096158 = 3.1097 BTC [-] {8} 
1010027;1423195341;asciilifeform;!s ibm real estate
1010028;1423195342;assbot;2 results for 'ibm real estate' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=ibm+real+estate
1010029;1423195381;asciilifeform;how the mighty have fallen! and to think, ibm was once the sole source of jew list tabulators to nazis
1010030;1423195416;decimation;asciilifeform: apparently real estate deals and indian shit-code are its core business now
1010031;1423195424;decimation;kind like hp's core business is printer ink
1010032;1423195440;asciilifeform;or texas instruments and the remaining pocket calculators
1010033;1423195453;decimation;at least ti still makes chips
1010034;1423195468;asciilifeform;'makes'
1010035;1423195469;asciilifeform;in asia.
1010036;1423195474;decimation;well, yeah
1010037;1423195533;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform no but it makes them because "it controls the ip" or how did that line go/
1010038;1423195567;mircea_popescu;nobody else could make ti pocket calculators for lack of ti chip documentation. leaving alone why anyone would want to, after ti paid for tha someone to build their plants.
1010039;1423195600;asciilifeform;1.5b for ibm's chip div. << state of maryland could have bought one and a half of these for the cost of road 200 (a recently built, money-losing toll road i frequent.)
1010040;1423195635;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: surprisingly, the calculators use very well-understood, ancient components
1010041;1423195643;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: on account of the designs dating back to the mid '80s
1010042;1423195660;asciilifeform;as i understand, they've introduced a few devices where this 'problem' is 'fixed'
1010043;1423195673;asciilifeform;(an 'arm' cpu, fat ram, and... an emulator of the 1980s calcs)
1010044;1423195681;mircea_popescu;myeah. obviously point meant as a general - and thus indefensible - jab >
1010045;1423195683;mircea_popescu;>D
1010046;1423195688;asciilifeform;l0l
1010047;1423195732;asciilifeform;http://www.farrellf.com/projects/hardware/2013-07-26_Overclocking_the_TI-83+_Graphing_Calculator/overview.jpg << not mine. but did this for a few classmates as a schoolboy
1010048;1423195735;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1zmst5B )
1010049;1423195747;asciilifeform;^ these were mandatory (!? i know) in the school
1010050;1423195776;BingoBoingo;<asciilifeform> ^ these were mandatory (!? i know) in the school << TI's survival is hinged to the "education standards" bezzel
1010051;1423195798;decimation;asciilifeform: re: road 200 << I actually drove on this road a few times.  it was pointlessly empty, as well as having a low speed limit (55 mph)
1010052;1423195811;decimation;it was built as a favor to one of the wash dc land barons
1010053;1423195814;asciilifeform;aha
1010054;1423195837;asciilifeform;empty on account of outlandish tolls
1010055;1423195855;asciilifeform;interestingly, speed limit could easily be enforced by the (photo-operated) toll machines - but isn't
1010056;1423195871;asciilifeform;instead, there are 6 (?) policecars, in special '200' livery, at all times.
1010057;1423195898;decimation;http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/maryland-politics/post/agreement-allows-konterra-project-to-move-forward/2011/04/19/AF4neD7D_blog.html "The pact includes construction of a planned I-95 interchange with Contee Road near Maryland Route 198, and extension of Virginia Manor Road for access to the proposed 2,200-acre mixed-use development."
1010058;1423195899;assbot;Agreement allows Konterra project to move forward - Maryland Politics - The Washington Post ... ( http://bit.ly/1DERLLF )
1010059;1423195900;asciilifeform;spot checks, so nobody actually drives the limit
1010060;1423195925;decimation;asciilifeform: it is my understanding that the toll machines are 'banned' from enforcing speed limit
1010061;1423195976;asciilifeform;i bet mircea_popescu knows what the pupils -actually- did with those calculators.
1010062;1423195982;asciilifeform;http://guestofaguest.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/11/t1_drug_wars2.jpg
1010063;1423195983;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1DES6y7 )
1010064;1423195998;decimation;heh I used to play that game on bbs's
1010065;1423196010;asciilifeform;decimation: same dynamics as the management of hunting in game preserves.
1010066;1423196157;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: you had a ti92. what was https://d3nevzfk7ii3be.cloudfront.net/igi/vYjLMFABxoRvDQUr.huge ?
1010067;1423196159;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1zmtH0T )
1010068;1423196193;decimation;http://ww2.gazette.net/stories/04212011/busiplo163111_32533.php < "  O'Malley thanked the Konterra developers, Kingdon Gould Jr. and his son Caleb Gould, for cooperating to allow the state to move forward with the ICC plan without the costs of going to court to acquire the land."
1010069;1423196194;assbot;ICC pieces fall into place for Konterra ... ( http://bit.ly/1zmtPgR )
1010070;1423196241;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: No, I had the TI-89, mostly the same except for form factor. I have no idea what that important looking rectangle is.
1010071;1423196274;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: from five minute's dig, seems like it was a rom.
1010072;1423196277;mircea_popescu;"And yet somehow the ruling class decayed, lost its ability, its daring, finally even its ruthlessness, until a time came when stuffed shirts like Eden or Halifax could stand out as men of exceptional talent. As for Baldwin, one could not even dignify him with the name of stuffed shirt. He was simply a hole in the air. "
1010073;1423196282;mircea_popescu;dude... this puts mpoe-pr to shame
1010074;1423196287;mircea_popescu;"simply a hole in the air" !?
1010075;1423196298;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: toldya he was worth digging into
1010076;1423196305;mircea_popescu;!up rodgort
1010077;1423196313;[]bot;Bet created: "American Sniper wins Oscar for Best Picture" http://bitbet.us/bet/1117/
1010078;1423196345;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 61721 @ 0.0003888 = 23.9971 BTC [-]
1010079;1423196352;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: 89 was same "civillian" form factor as 83, On the 92 user accessible rom like that could be a thing.
1010080;1423196377;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: i had several. see log
1010081;1423196391;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: the original 'blue arrow keys' was best.
1010082;1423196448;BingoBoingo;That it was. I wasn't a fan of the aesthetics of the redesign
1010083;1423196455;asciilifeform;not just that
1010084;1423196467;asciilifeform;the later grey blob, with the usb jack, also had... a boot time.
1010085;1423196479;asciilifeform;(a second or so, but it much grated on the nerves)
1010086;1423196700;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: http://tiplanet.org/forum/gallery/image_page.php?album_id=253&image_id=3667 << the 'plus module' from earlier. updated rom + eeprom (original -92 lacked eeprom)
1010087;1423196702;assbot;TI-Planet | Voir l'image - Module TI-92 Plus ... ( http://bit.ly/1zmvdQD )
1010088;1423196709;cazalla;ah damn that was good ghetto bouillabaisse
1010089;1423196719;asciilifeform;http://www.cemetech.net/img/misc/collection2013a.jpg
1010090;1423196724;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1zmvine )
1010091;1423196724;asciilifeform;^ all of them, i think
1010092;1423196762;BingoBoingo;That is a collection
1010093;1423196849;BingoBoingo;The 86 was a good looking computer
1010094;1423197055;asciilifeform;http://goughlui.com/2015/01/29/review-teardown-apotop-wi-copy-dw21-5200mah-power-bank << this wants to be a node
1010095;1423197057;assbot;Review, Teardown: Apotop Wi-Copy (DW21) 5200mAh Power Bank | Gough's Tech Zone ... ( http://bit.ly/1DEWzkd )
1010096;1423197098;asciilifeform;but, unless i missed something, no info anywhere re: ram on the board.
1010097;1423197113;asciilifeform;if anyone has one of these, please pop the cover and take a photo.
1010098;1423197152;asciilifeform;of the side not shown, that is
1010099;1423197186;asciilifeform;i like that the 802.11 card - comes off.
1010100;1423197264;thestringpuller;asciilifeform: has the best toys
1010101;1423197270;asciilifeform;^ not mine
1010102;1423197294;asciilifeform;all i have is this picture.
1010103;1423197596;decimation;asciilifeform: I like the 5.2 amp hour battery
1010104;1423197718;asciilifeform;peculiarly high price tag, but perhaps will fall to somewhere close to zero as they sit on the shelves.
1010105;1423197733;decimation;what's the point of the battery?
1010106;1423197741;decimation;backup for power failure?
1010107;1423197747;asciilifeform;these are, i think, meant to be used with iPnohe
1010108;1423197761;asciilifeform;which does not allow expansion of storage in the customary way
1010109;1423197766;asciilifeform;(no slots)
1010110;1423197804;asciilifeform;but luser gets to stuff sd card or usb drive into this gizmo, which serves up contents over http
1010111;1423197818;decimation;lol that's silly
1010112;1423197834;asciilifeform;silly or not, apparently there are at least half a dozen makers of just this.
1010113;1423197845;decimation;but it would be useful for powering all kinds of interesting widgets
1010114;1423197849;asciilifeform;i looked at several when hunting for node hardware
1010115;1423197854;asciilifeform;none had any more than 32m of ram
1010116;1423198052;decimation;asciilifeform: do you know what cpu it has?  some arm variant?
1010117;1423198259;asciilifeform;decimation: interestingly!
1010118;1423198269;decimation;ah RTL8196D
1010119;1423198308;asciilifeform;aha.
1010120;1423198317;decimation;mips64?
1010121;1423198323;asciilifeform;for some reason sitting on the wireless daughterboard.
1010122;1423198425;asciilifeform;32, iirc
1010123;1423198524;decimation;well the main cpu runs some kind of arm probably because it appears to run android
1010124;1423198549;asciilifeform;there is a mips-android...
1010125;1423198555;asciilifeform;(even x86, iirc.)
1010126;1423198616;decimation;ah no the android software is running on a phone connected to the device, sorry for the confusion
1010127;1423198643;decimation;huh I didn't realize google supported non-arm chips
1010128;1423198707;decimation;actually that little device (wi-copy) would be a good buy just to harvest the parts
1010129;1423198728;asciilifeform;not at the sticker price.
1010130;1423198755;decimation;nah, but less than say $20-30
1010131;1423198851;asciilifeform;https://wikidevi.com/wiki/Special:BrowseData/Wired_embedded_system
1010132;1423198856;assbot;Browse data: Wired embedded system - WikiDevi ... ( http://bit.ly/1BZlpcs )
1010133;1423198857;asciilifeform;^ mega-list
1010134;1423198935;decimation;ah that is handy
1010135;1423199580;decimation;asciilifeform: http://bit.ly/1zVgaPU
1010136;1423199583;assbot; HP Support document - HP Support Center ... ( http://bit.ly/1BZnc1h )
1010137;1423199607;decimation;hp t5325 'thin client' < 512 mb ram, marvell 88F6281
1010138;1423199641;decimation;$36 on amazon
1010139;1423199677;decimation;looks to be 'old stock' though
1010140;1423200241;asciilifeform;decimation: just about all of the listed machines are 'old stock'
1010141;1423200270;asciilifeform;quite useless, unless one of us were to come across a gigantic crate of these somewhere.
1010142;1423200291;decimation;http://www.ebay.com/itm/Lot-of-32-HP-ThinPro-Thin-Client-T5325-1-2GHz-512MB-RAM-Flash-Factory-Reset-/331451731260?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item4d2c100d3c
1010143;1423200293;assbot; Lot of 32 HP Thinpro Thin Client T5325 1 2GHz 512MB RAM Flash Factory Reset | eBay  ... ( http://bit.ly/1BZoDg1 )
1010144;1423200315;asciilifeform;golden toilet.
1010145;1423200324;decimation;$900 is a bit steep though
1010146;1423200332;decimation;might be worth $300-400 at most
1010147;1423200390;decimation;the whole 'thin client' idea is hilarious stupidity
1010148;1423200402;decimation;'we take away ur computerz so u can be productive'
1010149;1423200432;asciilifeform;it came solely from folks writhing under the leather straps of microshit
1010150;1423200454;decimation;aye.  and for the secretary using 'word' it would be fine, more-or-less
1010151;1423200458;asciilifeform;tired of spending money/labour on disinfecting 10,000 boxes presided over by tetris-playing accountants, or retail clerks
1010152;1423200491;decimation;for retail clerks: why not serial terminals?  what does the mouse gui add?
1010153;1423200509;asciilifeform;because that was the previous usg monopoly.
1010154;1423200510;asciilifeform;(ibm)
1010155;1423200515;asciilifeform;the new one - requires mouse.
1010156;1423200525;asciilifeform;'shuddup & suck on it' (tm)
1010157;1423200528;decimation;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=02-12-2014#941070
1010158;1423200528;assbot;Logged on 02-12-2014 03:31:49; assbot: Logged on 11-09-2014 03:44:22; *: decimation remembers every pos and library using said terminals growing up, only to be replaced with buggy-ass windows for no reason
1010159;1423200532;asciilifeform;aha
1010160;1423200537;asciilifeform;watched this happen.
1010161;1423200559;asciilifeform;beautiful keyboards, too
1010162;1423200573;*;asciilifeform ended up buying such a terminal (not from library) and using for a long while
1010163;1423200579;asciilifeform;as a student.
1010164;1423200585;decimation;aye, my first job was a library clerk, using an ibm serial terminal
1010165;1423200604;decimation;had a 'laser scanner' peripheral, even
1010166;1423200613;decimation;scan item, populates text box
1010167;1423200622;*;asciilifeform still has one of those scanners. with the old stainless steel wand.
1010168;1423200633;decimation;yeah that's the one
1010169;1423200657;asciilifeform;glorious thing. emulated ps/2 kbd.
1010170;1423200667;asciilifeform;(had rs232 port also, presumably for terminals)
1010171;1423200689;decimation;I recall the library was running some variant of 'unisys'
1010172;1423200780;decimation;neh, not unisys, unicorn by sirsi
1010173;1423200880;asciilifeform;http://wikileaks.org/wiki/SirsiDynix_Corp_restricted_lobby_paper_against_Open_Source_technologies%2C_Sep_2009 << related
1010174;1423200881;assbot;SirsiDynix Corp restricted lobby paper against Open Source technologies, Sep 2009 - WikiLeaks ... ( http://bit.ly/1BZpWM6 )
1010175;1423200905;decimation;lol they saw the writing on the wall
1010176;1423200921;decimation;actually they shouldn't have capitulated to the modern gui idiocy
1010177;1423200954;decimation;today you could build a really cheap serial terminal, perhaps with 'e-ink' display
1010178;1423200977;asciilifeform;the 'fast' e-ink remains mythical.
1010179;1423200986;decimation;my wife's new kindle is pretty fast
1010180;1423200993;decimation;but probably not fast enough for a full terminal
1010181;1423201007;asciilifeform;folks have ported linux to 'kindle'
1010182;1423201009;decimation;at any rate, it's moot because libraries in the us don't see the point in keeping books anymore
1010183;1423201009;asciilifeform;can now try and see
1010184;1423201015;decimation;hu
1010185;1423201026;decimation;every year or two her cheapass kindle 'breaks'
1010186;1423201043;asciilifeform;http://www.turnkeylinux.org/blog/kindle-root
1010187;1423201045;assbot;On my Kindle I am root | TurnKey GNU/Linux Blog ... ( http://bit.ly/1BZqgKP )
1010188;1423201059;decimation;usually, the screen stops updating.  I never bothered fixing it, figured it wasn't worth my time
1010189;1423201088;decimation;I should try the hack to see if I can fix it
1010190;1423201097;*;asciilifeform has a 'kindle dx'. no signs of wear after ~4 yrs.
1010191;1423201200;*;asciilifeform sometimes wonders whether that product category would exist - and what it would cost if it did - if there were not a built-in chumpatronic collector
1010192;1423201247;asciilifeform;(which one is not forced to use, unlike the one in certain very early 'e-readers', but tempts sufficiently many ESL (to use mircea_popescu's term) folks to bring in a pretty penny for the vendor)
1010193;1423201274;mircea_popescu;the kindle ?
1010194;1423201278;asciilifeform;aha
1010195;1423201285;mircea_popescu;i don't perceive its utility
1010196;1423201298;decimation;I think the ebook sales are mostly woman-porn
1010197;1423201310;asciilifeform;i use it mainly for lib.ru
1010198;1423201315;decimation;they can read in public without showing the embarassing covers
1010199;1423201325;asciilifeform;(not literal lib.ru, long dead, but texts in general)
1010200;1423201347;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 93329 @ 0.00038887 = 36.2928 BTC [+] {2} 
1010201;1423201362;asciilifeform;as for the chumpatronics, i have no idea who uses.
1010202;1423201372;asciilifeform;someone, somewhere.
1010203;1423201373;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform and if you need to bash something what do you do ?
1010204;1423201375;asciilifeform;they keep making'em
1010205;1423201384;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: there's a quote collector widget.
1010206;1423201389;mircea_popescu;no no
1010207;1423201391;asciilifeform;with 'clitoris' joystick
1010208;1423201392;decimation;sufficiently many people believe in paying for ebooks I guess
1010209;1423201393;mircea_popescu;does it have a for ?
1010210;1423201400;asciilifeform;it goes to a text file.
1010211;1423201408;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34115 @ 0.00038959 = 13.2909 BTC [+] {2} 
1010212;1423201415;mircea_popescu;bash as in bourne shell, not bash as in take ntoes.
1010213;1423201420;asciilifeform;ah
1010214;1423201428;mircea_popescu;but fine, the notes : suppose you now want to write an article. how do you type, and how do you send it to trilema ?
1010215;1423201430;asciilifeform;then i walk three meters to the actual computer, lol
1010216;1423201437;mircea_popescu;suppose you want to say something here. like a quote.
1010217;1423201443;asciilifeform;see above
1010218;1423201446;mircea_popescu;o wait, this is like a woman that's useful as long as another woman is around ?
1010219;1423201446;decimation;lol mircea_popescu no one types on the kindle
1010220;1423201462;mircea_popescu;decimation my poinbt being, i can't really do anything of the intellect without the whole computer.
1010221;1423201465;asciilifeform;'kindle' is not a computer! it's this entirely specialized machine, like kitchen mixer.
1010222;1423201476;asciilifeform;my mixer also does not run bash
1010223;1423201477;asciilifeform;(yet)
1010224;1423201479;mircea_popescu;but my mental life is not compartimentalized, like kitchen.
1010225;1423201490;decimation;no, it's a 'read-only' device.  the model is that the reader has nothing to say
1010226;1423201500;mircea_popescu;but it happens that i oft do have a loit to say
1010227;1423201505;mircea_popescu;and also i need to test and verify what i read
1010228;1423201507;mircea_popescu;and so on
1010229;1423201520;asciilifeform;the model is that one wishes sometimes to emulate a book.
1010230;1423201526;mircea_popescu;in short, i know of no other process involving the noggin than the full process.
1010231;1423201531;asciilifeform;(why to do this, is a matter of taste)
1010232;1423201536;decimation;do you scribble in the margins?
1010233;1423201552;mircea_popescu;in the book days i used to have my books filled with papers.
1010234;1423201554;*;asciilifeform usually prefers to scribble in an actual notebook
1010235;1423201559;asciilifeform;aha and papers.
1010236;1423201564;mircea_popescu;as in, have someone to (cut, if uncut) and prefill with blank paper.
1010237;1423201571;decimation;how do you scribble in an ascii text file?
1010238;1423201592;asciilifeform;emacs ?
1010239;1423201600;mircea_popescu;and the worst thing a maid could do is drop a wreath of books on the way to shelving
1010240;1423201611;mircea_popescu;good god. a cloud of now useless paper, and a criminal eyed mp
1010241;1423201632;decimation;asciilifeform: but how do you separate your changes from the original text?  does emacs do this?
1010242;1423201648;asciilifeform;diff.
1010243;1423201651;decimation;heh
1010244;1423201654;mircea_popescu;lol
1010245;1423201660;mircea_popescu;what's wrong with > ?
1010246;1423201675;decimation;I guess there are many simple solutions.
1010247;1423201738;*;asciilifeform owns many peculiar machines on account of quests like 'program in bed' and 'read ascii/koi8 on balcony' etc.
1010248;1423201806;mircea_popescu;i guess im a reactionary. i own, substantially, the exact kind of machine i had as a child.
1010249;1423201824;asciilifeform;there is not, nor can be, a replacement for The computer.
1010250;1423201835;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 42900 @ 0.0003885 = 16.6667 BTC [-]
1010251;1423201835;asciilifeform;you know, the one that is heavy, if you kick, won't move
1010252;1423201838;mircea_popescu;it went from 16 to 64 bits, sure, but otherwise the box is exactly the same size even
1010253;1423201841;asciilifeform;can hold a kg or 2 of dust
1010254;1423201841;asciilifeform;etc
1010255;1423201884;decimation;asciilifeform: like ibm AT?
1010256;1423201890;mircea_popescu;i have half a dozen laptops which i use... maybe a day a season, or something, between the lot.
1010257;1423201924;mircea_popescu;i borrowed an ipad for a coupla weeks to check out the games and i gave it back without regrets - more with relief.
1010258;1423201932;danielpbarron;http://danielpbarron.com/patch_test.txt
1010259;1423201933;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1BZscCX )
1010260;1423201949;decimation;ipad is great for entertaining small children
1010261;1423201950;mircea_popescu;i don't think anything ever was as stulfifying as the ipad game scene. perhaps the failed nes.
1010262;1423201967;mircea_popescu;decimation but small as in 3 yos.
1010263;1423201975;decimation;aye
1010264;1423201985;mircea_popescu;yeah, that i have seen. there's a koi pond simulator
1010265;1423201986;decimation;that's pretty much the mental model of the ipad
1010266;1423202024;decimation;'tap on large icons, receive reward' is pretty much intelligible for 12 months and older
1010267;1423202107;mircea_popescu;extremely odd their insistence on no porn, either
1010268;1423202116;mircea_popescu;that's pretty much the only non-infantile use of the thing.
1010269;1423202178;decimation;my daughter loves her 'app' that forces her to re-order numbers, letters, and phrases to receive a cartoon reward
1010270;1423202201;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 53150 @ 0.00039794 = 21.1505 BTC [+]
1010271;1423202311;cazalla;decimation, what's wrong with old fashioned blocks?
1010272;1423202323;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 1091 @ 0.00096053 = 1.0479 BTC [-] {7} 
1010273;1423202352;decimation;cazalla: nothing, she plays with them too.  they aren't as portable though
1010274;1423202386;cazalla;seems like a sure fire way to give your kid brain damage
1010275;1423202430;decimation;eh, kids are gonna have to learn to deal with the electronics one day
1010276;1423202481;decimation;I'm trying to teach her German, but it goes much better with a native speaker
1010277;1423202497;cazalla;my plan is to avoid that stuff with my son for as long as possible
1010278;1423202497;mircea_popescu;yeah, you want her to learn german, get her a german speaking dog/
1010279;1423202498;asciilifeform;http://www.loper-os.org/pub/komp.jpg << try on laptop.
1010280;1423202502;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1BZtsG7 )
1010281;1423202504;mircea_popescu;like a shepherd or something.
1010282;1423202507;decimation;there was a class locally, but it was canceled for lack of interest
1010283;1423202507;decimation;lol
1010284;1423202523;decimation;actually, I would consider getting a german-speaking au pair
1010285;1423202530;asciilifeform;actual computer should be a -place-, not merely machine
1010286;1423202535;asciilifeform;like church organ.
1010287;1423202538;mircea_popescu;decimation bdsm site's this way -->
1010288;1423202545;decimation;turns out you don't have to pay them social security or payroll tax
1010289;1423202625;decimation;at any rate, that's all I have for the evening, good night
1010290;1423202629;decimation;!down decimation
1010291;1423202933;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 41550 @ 0.00039803 = 16.5381 BTC [+] {2} 
1010292;1423202972;mircea_popescu;"One ought not to pay any attention to Hitler's recent line of talk about being the friend of the poor man, the enemy of plutocracy, etc etc. Hitler's real self is in MEIN KAMPF, and in his actions. He has never persecuted the rich, except when they were Jews or when they tried actively to oppose him. He stands for a centralised economy which robs the capitalist of most of his power but leaves the structure of society
1010293;1423202972;mircea_popescu;much as before. The State controls industry, but there are still rich and poor, masters and men."
1010294;1423202979;mircea_popescu;this guy was so fucking defeated...
1010295;1423203000;asciilifeform;l0l!
1010296;1423203028;mircea_popescu;it's incredible how defeated he was.
1010297;1423203044;mircea_popescu;it's like... not even coinceivable how defeated.
1010298;1423203143;asciilifeform;obligatory: http://www.pbfcomics.com/209
1010299;1423203144;assbot;The Perry Bible Fellowship ... ( http://bit.ly/16KAK93 )
1010300;1423203281;mircea_popescu;zebra penis!
1010301;1423203299;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 61900 @ 0.00038678 = 23.9417 BTC [-] {2} 
1010302;1423203320;asciilifeform;zebrahitler (tm)
1010303;1423203344;mircea_popescu;this "people standing on magic carpets of the future" meme is so incomprehensible to me.
1010304;1423203369;mircea_popescu;do people really have such poor grasp of basic mechanics as to not understand that if you're not walking, there's really noi reason to be standing ?!
1010305;1423203395;asciilifeform;and before the 'stand-up desk' fashion, too
1010306;1423203401;mircea_popescu;the banal observation that three hour's walk is pleasant, but quarter hour's standing unpleasant not exactly with them ?!
1010307;1423203450;asciilifeform;oddly enough, there appears to be something to this
1010308;1423203454;asciilifeform;more of a 'bed of nails' thing though
1010309;1423203465;mircea_popescu;hm ?
1010310;1423203470;asciilifeform;when i'm in the machine shop, end up having to stand, and it tends to keep one awake
1010311;1423203499;asciilifeform;then again, perhaps it's the acute awareness of the sharp rotating bits
1010312;1423203560;mircea_popescu;lo
1010313;1423203616;asciilifeform;i'm told there are even treadmill desks
1010314;1423203635;asciilifeform;(whether the treadmill actually powers the computer - that ancient dream - i do not know)
1010315;1423203822;mircea_popescu;http://www11.kinghost.com/fetish/knapsack/images/bicm6973.jpg
1010316;1423203823;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/16KDS4T )
1010317;1423203834;asciilifeform;lol!
1010318;1423203837;asciilifeform;stakecycle
1010319;1423203891;asciilifeform;looks like the diddler is rigged to reciprocate
1010320;1423203937;asciilifeform;who has not wondered, many times, about such machines
1010321;1423203943;asciilifeform;whether exist, and where
1010322;1423203973;asciilifeform;now we know - at least one.
1010323;1423203992;mircea_popescu;i've not wondered much, kinda discover the potentiality and the actuality in one package as it were.
1010324;1423204018;asciilifeform;^ pictured unit yours ?
1010325;1423204044;mircea_popescu;http://www.holisticwisdom.com/the-fucking-chair.htm in the same vein
1010326;1423204046;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/16KFb3I )
1010327;1423204046;mircea_popescu;ah no.
1010328;1423204066;mircea_popescu;http://www11.kinghost.com/fetish/knapsack/bicycle182-brut.html whole set if you're curious.
1010329;1423204067;assbot;Fucking bicycle ... ( http://bit.ly/16KFmMv )
1010330;1423204139;asciilifeform;neato.
1010331;1423204275;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 154000 @ 0.00039837 = 61.349 BTC [+]
1010332;1423204343;asciilifeform;;;bc,stats
1010333;1423204347;gribble;Current Blocks: 342199 | Current Difficulty: 4.127287389469702E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 342719 | Next Difficulty In: 520 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 3 days, 1 hour, 50 minutes, and 46 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 44686087306.6 | Estimated Percent Change: 8.26987
1010334;1423204374;asciilifeform;290291.
1010335;1423204454;asciilifeform;phillipsj is quite a joker.
1010336;1423204465;asciilifeform;'January 2009 Completed The Insurance Premium Reduction Program at A and J Driving School.' on a cv !?!?
1010337;1423204492;mircea_popescu;it does sound rather like something you get convicted to, doesn't it.
1010338;1423204565;asciilifeform;the whole thing does
1010339;1423204653;asciilifeform;i'm still waiting to read a cv with entry 'xxxx-xxxx - hobo'
1010340;1423204666;asciilifeform;does engl. even have verb, 'to hobo' ?
1010341;1423204675;asciilifeform;бомжевать
1010342;1423204691;mircea_popescu;nevertheless, i imagine you see my point. what truly subtle meta-Agranov would come up with something like that ?
1010343;1423204699;asciilifeform;srsly
1010344;1423204700;mircea_popescu;the man's disarmingly plain.
1010345;1423205103;mircea_popescu;lol@ filthy orwell, going full throtle into "the country is weakened by the war, now is the time to socialism!11"
1010346;1423205129;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 72450 @ 0.00039847 = 28.8692 BTC [+] {2} 
1010347;1423205138;asciilifeform;sorta did happen.
1010348;1423205141;mircea_popescu;it's strange, this unseemly ability of felons, to hide the substance of their felony. first of all from themselves, and even should they be blessed with remarkable observation powers.
1010349;1423205146;asciilifeform;dog barked - caravan moved.
1010350;1423205148;mircea_popescu;yeah, but that's indifferent.
1010351;1423205180;mircea_popescu;man can see what's wrong with socialism, but he can't see what's wrong with his own prose
1010352;1423205200;asciilifeform;t. dalrymple (retired british shrink, wrote a number of hilarious books on psychology of criminals - and civ. decay overally) had a thing on this
1010353;1423205207;asciilifeform;'the knife went in, the gun went off'
1010354;1423205213;asciilifeform;somethingliekthat
1010355;1423205238;asciilifeform;testimonies full of animated, ambulatory weaponry
1010356;1423205243;mircea_popescu;lol
1010357;1423205266;mircea_popescu;i'd probably make a horrible judge, on the grounds that i'm generally inclined to let off everyone who kills purposefully.
1010358;1423205270;mircea_popescu;that, at least, i can understand.
1010359;1423205284;mircea_popescu;but none of this "accidental" talk if it is at all possible.
1010360;1423205295;asciilifeform;he has a passage almost entirely this.
1010361;1423205317;mircea_popescu;i guess i'd do okay as a lord with his own court in some marsh cca 1300, but otherwise...
1010362;1423205345;asciilifeform;http://www.city-journal.org/story.php?id=1371
1010363;1423205347;assbot;"The Knife Went In" by Theodore Dalrymple, City Journal Autumn 1994 ... ( http://bit.ly/16KJIDk )
1010364;1423205364;mircea_popescu;o hey.
1010365;1423205369;*;mircea_popescu reads
1010366;1423205412;mircea_popescu;"The aim of untold millions is to be free to do exactly as they choose and for someone else to pay when things go wrong."
1010367;1423205415;mircea_popescu;please is the word.
1010368;1423205434;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25900 @ 0.00038584 = 9.9933 BTC [-] {2} 
1010369;1423205445;asciilifeform;fella was a prison shrink.
1010370;1423205474;mircea_popescu;i had this girl... she was a psych grad. weighed about 50 kgs if dressed, and had spent three years as the prison shrink.
1010371;1423205482;mircea_popescu;about half the population there, rapists.
1010372;1423205501;mircea_popescu;the other half, murderers, arsonists, all sorts of truly pathological types.
1010373;1423205527;mircea_popescu;she had oodles of stories.
1010374;1423205610;asciilifeform;old prison hands generally do.
1010375;1423205629;*;asciilifeform must have at least half a book-case of 'prison lit'
1010376;1423205678;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 45950 @ 0.00038423 = 17.6554 BTC [-] {3} 
1010377;1423205685;mircea_popescu;kinda what got my attention originally, i could read the girl's experienced, but it made little sense.
1010378;1423205692;mircea_popescu;then i figured out... vicariously!
1010379;1423205806;asciilifeform;at least, unlike the 'vicarious' engineering gurlz, she did not attempt to go and... apply
1010380;1423205903;mircea_popescu;heavens no.
1010381;1423205911;mircea_popescu;she didn't even attempt to write a book.
1010382;1423205914;mircea_popescu;very pleasant girl.
1010383;1423205922;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 6000 @ 0.00094869 = 5.6921 BTC [-] {16} 
1010384;1423205937;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=30-08-2014#816556
1010385;1423205937;assbot;Logged on 30-08-2014 21:53:25; mircea_popescu: this "'KGB: the Inside Story' by Christopher Andrew" string  reminds me of the "stop sending niggers then" joke.
1010386;1423205944;asciilifeform;re: book.
1010387;1423206096;asciilifeform;'Violent criminals often use an expression auxiliary to �My head went� when explaining their deeds: �It wasn�t me.� Here is the psychobabble of the slums, the doctrine of the �Real Me� as refracted through the lens of urban degradation. The Real Me has nothing to do with the phenomenal me, the me that snatches old ladies� bags, breaks into other people�s houses, beats up my wife and children, or repeatedly dr
1010388;1423206096;asciilifeform;inks too much and gets involved in brawls. No, the Real Me is an immaculate conception, untouched by human conduct: it is that unassailable core of virtue that enables me to retain my self-respect whatever I do. What I am is not at all determined by what I do; and insofar as what I do has any moral significance at all, it is up to others to ensure that the phenomenal me acts in accordance with the Real Me.'
1010389;1423206108;asciilifeform;^ see also TLP.
1010390;1423206141;*;asciilifeform used to suspect for a while, long ago, that herr dalrymple was tlp
1010391;1423206149;mircea_popescu;sounds like pretty typical infantilism.
1010392;1423206163;mircea_popescu;nah, this man is i think english.
1010393;1423206170;asciilifeform;mr d? yes
1010394;1423206172;asciilifeform;very english
1010395;1423206248;mircea_popescu;!up phillipsjk
1010396;1423206254;mircea_popescu;dja know how to up yourself ?
1010397;1423206351;mircea_popescu;cool.
1010398;1423206528;asciilifeform;(anyone who enjoyed 'the knife went in' can see a bunch more, http://www.city-journal.org/author_index.php?author=47 )
1010399;1423206529;assbot;City Journal Author Index ... ( http://bit.ly/1KxaJq6 )
1010400;1423206537;asciilifeform;^ by no means his complete works
1010401;1423206639;mircea_popescu;For example, they do not say of the policemen who they allege (often plausibly) have beaten them up, �Poor cops! They were brought up in authoritarian homes and now project the anger that is really directed at their bullying fathers onto me. They need counseling. They need their heads sorted out.� On the contrary, they say, with force and explosive emotion, �The bastards!� They assume that the police act out of
1010402;1423206640;mircea_popescu; free, if malevolent, will.
1010403;1423206665;mircea_popescu;this is pretty good, and an excellent display of why the reconstructive approach is so powerful in talk psychotherapy, and discourse generally.
1010404;1423206675;mircea_popescu;"restate this about that, see how it sounds".
1010405;1423206715;asciilifeform;e.g., http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=05-02-2015#1007943
1010406;1423206715;assbot;Logged on 05-02-2015 06:31:43; asciilifeform: exercise for student: when you wake up, think of six entirely factually-correct - but disastrously intellectually-crippling - models for some commonplace thing or other.
1010407;1423206747;mircea_popescu;"can't figure it out when a mater of abstract objects ? that's fine, do it over but with cunts and fucking this time. see if the carefully evolved mamallian brain isn't more a help than a hindrance in matters it's actually evolved to handle!"
1010408;1423206988;asciilifeform;http://www.city-journal.org/2010/20_1_otbie-john-kenneth-galbraith.html << herr d. on.. galbraith. mega-flame.
1010409;1423206989;assbot;The Galbraith Revival by Theodore Dalrymple, City Journal Winter 2010 ... ( http://bit.ly/16KPvZt )
1010410;1423207004;asciilifeform;(yes, the galbraith of 'the bezzle')
1010411;1423207193;mircea_popescu;"What, then, did I find to praise in Galbraith? In the first place, his personal example, which is encouraging for someone like me who has entered the later stages of his life. Galbraith wrote The Economics of Innocent Fraud when he was 96. That was the last of the approximately 50 books that he wrote, and he wrote them clearly, never giving the impression of wanting to be thought clever because of the difficulty of wh
1010412;1423207193;mircea_popescu;at he had to say."
1010413;1423207196;phillipsjk;so I read http://trilema.com/2015/gerald-davis-is-wrong-heres-why/ , and have been having trouble parsing the math formula. I have figured out that 1.25TB (about 3 years from now) is approximately 35 squared.
1010414;1423207197;assbot;Gerald Davis is wrong. Here's why. pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.  ... ( http://bit.ly/1KxbKym )
1010415;1423207210;mircea_popescu;this is impressive. imagine, men before public smoking was banned, living to be 96! and able to articulate themselves!
1010416;1423207230;phillipsjk;Not sure how you derived the exponential function for calculating the year 2020
1010417;1423207253;mircea_popescu;phillipsjk if every 170k blocks it increases 35 times, and there's 365 days to the year and 24 hours to the day and 6 blocks in a hour
1010418;1423207267;mircea_popescu;it then follows that the size at any arbitrary point in time is...
1010419;1423207325;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 95500 @ 0.00039891 = 38.0959 BTC [+]
1010420;1423207683;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform this thing's merciless huh
1010421;1423207694;asciilifeform;aha.
1010422;1423207712;mircea_popescu;i like a man who can use the text.
1010423;1423207724;asciilifeform;herr d. does not disappoint.
1010424;1423207772;asciilifeform;incidentally, one of his first (or perhaps first?) works is a description of a voyage he took, to visit the major capitals of the communist world
1010425;1423207776;asciilifeform;incl. (at the time) bucharest
1010426;1423207862;mircea_popescu;bucharest is and always was such a hellhole the likes of which no one has ever seen.
1010427;1423207863;phillipsjk;since the 1.25 factor represents the fist period: 3.23 years, the first number in the exponent must represent something like (n -3) years.. But 2009+6+3=2018.
1010428;1423207879;mircea_popescu;this was my own experience, both under the communists and after, and it was recorded in 1800 by travellers
1010429;1423207886;mircea_popescu;(it did not exist prior to about then)
1010430;1423207909;mircea_popescu;phillipsjk the deleted 2020 is more of a playful rethorical device
1010431;1423207916;mircea_popescu;don't get too hung up on it.
1010432;1423207938;mircea_popescu;the point is simply : "not so very long".
1010433;1423207988;asciilifeform;'the wilder shores of marx'
1010434;1423207992;asciilifeform;^ book
1010435;1423208027;mircea_popescu;this is mostly important because considering on one hand the uninformed low level arithmeticizing of reality prevalent in the esl world, and on the other the utter insanities passed for "graphs" on the forum, but also generally in the world - say that abject "cross model", people really need a little example of PROPER use of numbers.
1010436;1423208027;phillipsjk;So you are implicitly expecting the block-size will be much larger than 20MB sooner than we expect as well.
1010437;1423208027;asciilifeform;north kr, albania, ro, vietnam, cuba.
1010438;1423208060;mircea_popescu;phillipsjk i am not seriously lowering the discourse to gavin's insanities. a matter of principle is being discussed there, not the irrelevant gargle of whatever derp.
1010439;1423208089;asciilifeform;d. went to ro immediately before the magic xmas.
1010440;1423208100;phillipsjk;good point. Gavin's proposal is just that: a proposal.
1010441;1423208117;mircea_popescu;moreover, gavin is about as unfrequentable intellectually as quisling
1010442;1423208224;phillipsjk;I think that is the most subtle "Godwin" I have even seen. (had to look it up)
1010443;1423208237;asciilifeform;had to look up quisling ?!?!
1010444;1423208252;*;phillipsjk does not read enough books
1010445;1423208262;mircea_popescu;here you will have them forced upon you.
1010446;1423208265;mircea_popescu;i know i do.
1010447;1423208386;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform anyway, i think one could scarcely have better political education than a tour of the warsaw pact in the late 80s.
1010448;1423208401;mircea_popescu;especially if one packed lots and lots and lots of jeans.
1010449;1423208403;asciilifeform;it worked.
1010450;1423208425;asciilifeform;not sure if he had the jeans (iirc, he went under the auspices of some medical society or other)
1010451;1423208529;mircea_popescu;as i point out in some romanian article, denim bras had i managed to import would have been gladly worn by those women half the current .ro calls mom.
1010452;1423208544;phillipsjk;I mentioned in PM that I assume the year 2010 refers to "mybitcoin" (found mention of it in a forum post Aug 17, 2010)
1010453;1423208566;phillipsjk;"Consider the alternative of mybitcoin.com. It is a client portable to any web browser. You could keep the account/password in your head instead of on a stick. If you want to transact with another mybitcoin account the transaction is immediate too."
1010454;1423208590;phillipsjk;much derp, to use the local parlance
1010455;1423208603;asciilifeform;whatever happened to that crapolade
1010456;1423208608;mircea_popescu;is this the first tihng that pulled a runner ?
1010457;1423208609;asciilifeform;'web wallets'
1010458;1423208618;phillipsjk;yes
1010459;1423208620;mircea_popescu;right.
1010460;1423208637;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform remember the burt wagner, pedophile / gay prostitute / showman with the camera in demo mode ?
1010461;1423208644;asciilifeform;aha
1010462;1423208646;asciilifeform;vaguely
1010463;1423208648;mircea_popescu;he massively pumped, and then claimed to have been victimized, by tha thing
1010464;1423208650;mircea_popescu;is how he disappeared.
1010465;1423208720;midnightmagic;"bruce" I think
1010466;1423208730;midnightmagic;where did he claim to be victimized?
1010467;1423208735;phillipsjk;no that is a different person.
1010468;1423208741;midnightmagic;oh
1010469;1423208750;phillipsjk;"From the desk of Tom Williams, operator of MyBitcoin.com"
1010470;1423208763;phillipsjk;https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=34770.0
1010471;1423208764;assbot;Mybitcoin.com Press Release #2  ... ( http://bit.ly/1KxdTu3 )
1010472;1423208786;midnightmagic;that the one possibly traced to hackcanada.com?
1010473;1423208791;mircea_popescu;now i gotta check my facts, it's been years
1010474;1423208838;mircea_popescu;midnightmagic you're right, the name's bruce.
1010475;1423208913;mircea_popescu;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cVabnqRj_8I < for the curious.
1010476;1423208914;assbot;The Bitcoin Show - Episode 012 - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1Kxe3Bt )
1010477;1423208972;mircea_popescu;the last episode of that thing figures prominently some hot shot kid that made a totally innovative super-great exchange
1010478;1423208990;mircea_popescu;that then "was hacked", but it's ok, because everyone's balance was just going to be frozen and "repaid over time"
1010479;1423208993;mircea_popescu;and then it went away
1010480;1423209017;mircea_popescu;i wish i could remember the idiot's name, he was a reddit star for a season or two.
1010481;1423209096;mircea_popescu;da fuck was his name, the hipster with the dumbass hat.
1010482;1423209115;phillipsjk;"Tom Williams" paid people half their Bitcoin and disappeared. Mybitocin.com had a private registration is some tropical island country.
1010483;1423209295;phillipsjk;Apparently Bruce is mentioned in the thread I linked: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4FZldY-ZBBE
1010484;1423209296;assbot;The Bitcoin Show - Episode 033 - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1KxewDJ )
1010485;1423209396;phillipsjk;wow, an hour long video
1010486;1423209839;phillipsjk;6:35: "..For example..Mt.Gox.. I have a bad feeling about them"
1010487;1423210170;mircea_popescu;!up guest_____
1010488;1423210587;phillipsjk;Is html allowed in comments on your blog?
1010489;1423210863;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 54380 @ 0.00039066 = 21.2441 BTC [-] {2} 
1010490;1423211573;phillipsjk;I see a newbie got a "page topper" in Deathandtaxes's thread. (I was totally going to post a link) :)
1010491;1423211698;phillipsjk;;;later tell mircea_popescu I enjoyed your latest blog post.
1010492;1423211698;gribble;The operation succeeded.
1010493;1423212528;punkman;http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/5/59/CCCamp_2007_Datenklo.jpg
1010494;1423212531;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1Kmnm9c )
1010495;1423212592;BingoBoingo;Oh look at WP Matt derp about more things he has no idea about http://ma.tt/2015/02/real-nfl-scandal/
1010496;1423212594;assbot;Real NFL Scandal | Matt Mullenweg ... ( http://bit.ly/1KmnxBA )
1010497;1423212624;BingoBoingo;While also bending his "code art" into ways nothing on the web should be bent
1010498;1423214890;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34500 @ 0.00039988 = 13.7959 BTC [+]
1010499;1423215011;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 38850 @ 0.00040006 = 15.5423 BTC [+]
1010500;1423215283;punkman;http://litbimg.rightinthebox.com/desc_image/201407/gkdecb1405397886162.jpg  that's a pretty small phone
1010501;1423215286;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1KmvJSi )
1010502;1423216170;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 40126 @ 0.00040006 = 16.0528 BTC [+]
1010503;1423217146;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 47800 @ 0.00040006 = 19.1229 BTC [+] {2} 
1010504;1423218964;phillipsjk;mircea_popescu: well, you may not believe this or like this, but... my banking depends on my gpg signature o.O < I wish the banks around here knew what GPG/PGP was. The card-holder agreements universally say: "You acknowledge that e-mail is not secure..."
1010505;1423219063;cazalla;phillipsjk, how about.. you must pick a password between 4-8 characters, may not contain symbols or capitalisation
1010506;1423219166;phillipsjk;that reminds me, I should complain about that. Symbols were required, but did not include ,|^= and at least one number was required.
1010507;1423219770;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 77350 @ 0.0004001 = 30.9477 BTC [+]
1010508;1423220440;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 133777 @ 0.00039838 = 53.2941 BTC [-] {3} 
1010509;1423221172;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 26 @ 0.09001002 = 2.3403 BTC [-] {2} 
1010510;1423221360;punkman;"There’s an increasing number of farmers  placing greater value on acquiring older simpler machines that don’t  require a computer to fix."
1010511;1423221965;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 97600 @ 0.0004001 = 39.0498 BTC [+]
1010512;1423223795;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 60300 @ 0.00040081 = 24.1688 BTC [+] {2} 
1010513;1423223917;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 84000 @ 0.00040094 = 33.679 BTC [+]
1010514;1423225070;punkman;http://www.theregister.co.uk/2015/02/05/gnupg_funding/
1010515;1423225071;assbot;Internet lobs $$$s at dev of crucial GPG tool after he runs short of cash • The Register     ... ( http://bit.ly/1zf7ZHn )
1010516;1423225161;kakobrekla;>Stripe and Facebook are going to sponsor @gnupg development with $50k/year each.
1010517;1423225164;kakobrekla;oh my
1010518;1423225167;kakobrekla;a whole 50k
1010519;1423225200;punkman;he was living on $20k, $100k sounds fine
1010520;1423225293;kakobrekla;snapchat billions, gnupg a few k.
1010521;1423225422;punkman;geniuses are $60k a year, can't give him billion bezzlars
1010522;1423225436;kakobrekla;myea
1010523;1423227028;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34200 @ 0.00039894 = 13.6437 BTC [-]
1010524;1423229102;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23450 @ 0.00040094 = 9.402 BTC [+]
1010525;1423229407;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 70300 @ 0.00040114 = 28.2001 BTC [+] {3} 
1010526;1423229895;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 68330 @ 0.00039865 = 27.2398 BTC [-] {2} 
1010527;1423231298;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 2500 @ 0.00096198 = 2.405 BTC [+] {3} 
1010528;1423233006;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 88250 @ 0.00039187 = 34.5825 BTC [-] {2} 
1010529;1423233373;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12700 @ 0.00039738 = 5.0467 BTC [+]
1010530;1423235070;thestringpuller;ls
1010531;1423236910;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 98500 @ 0.00039825 = 39.2276 BTC [+] {2} 
1010532;1423237053;mod6;morning :]
1010533;1423237192;fluffypony;http://observer.com/2015/02/the-race-to-replace-bitcoin/
1010534;1423237194;assbot;The Race to Replace Bitcoin | Observer ... ( http://bit.ly/18UpxDw )
1010535;1423237587;mod6;fluffypony: ahh, yet another "genius" thinks he's going to replace bitcoin. *snore*
1010536;1423237616;fluffypony;"Mr. McCaleb also happened to be one of the world’s foremost cryptographers, arguably in a class with Alan Turing, the father of artificial intelligence and modern computing."
1010537;1423237703;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 54922 @ 0.00039949 = 21.9408 BTC [+]
1010538;1423237982;mircea_popescu;sigh
1010539;1423238012;mircea_popescu;fish wrappers nec ultra fish wrapping!
1010540;1423238282;mircea_popescu;;;later tell phillipsjk: Is html allowed in comments on your blog? << some limited html. blockquote, a and i dun recall what else.
1010541;1423238283;gribble;The operation succeeded.
1010542;1423238369;mircea_popescu;punkman: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/5/59/CCCamp_2007_Datenklo.jpg << so basically, the only reason these adolescent boys have gathered there is to have a good pretext for not washing.
1010543;1423238374;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/18UsTX5 )
1010544;1423238425;mircea_popescu;phillipsjk: [...] < I wish the banks around here knew what GPG/PGP was. << it's because i don't use actual banks, but the well developed argentine underground system.
1010545;1423238490;mircea_popescu;kakobrekla: >Stripe and Facebook are going to sponsor @gnupg development with $50k/year each. << the only important point in the ruckus being, now we know gpg 1.x is perfectly fine and 2.x not entirely broken, and that there's absolutely no need to expect usable 3.x
1010546;1423238506;mircea_popescu;at least we know where we're standing : what we got scares them. we'll fork it later on an' be quite happy.
1010547;1423238532;mircea_popescu;but yes, the snapchat comparison is QUITE shameful.
1010548;1423238560;mircea_popescu;fluffypony: http://observer.com/2015/02/the-race-to-replace-bitcoin/ << check it out asciilifeform someone's butthurt over gavin getting shot in the head.
1010549;1423238562;assbot;The Race to Replace Bitcoin | Observer ... ( http://bit.ly/1Ky8SBs )
1010550;1423238579;mircea_popescu;someone who was stupid enough to ignore the warnings, for that matter. o, it's not his fault, "nobody could have foreseen".
1010551;1423238674;mod6;30 out of 40 people say gox & ripple guy is mega-genius and in same class with Turing!!11
1010552;1423238693;mircea_popescu;" The most exciting battle in this long war is taking place in San Francisco, and the town isn�t big enough for both Ripple Labs and Stellar, two of the contenders hoping to replace not just Bitcoin but the almighty dollar."
1010553;1423238701;mircea_popescu;lol.
1010554;1423238707;mod6;haha
1010555;1423238741;mod6;this is what i need every morning. a good dose of solid lulz.
1010556;1423238742;mircea_popescu;but even better, 1st comment : ""Vinnie Falco �  Top Commenter � Software Engineer at Ripple Labs
1010557;1423238743;mircea_popescu;Now this is some serious investigative journalism. I even learned a few things!
1010558;1423238759;mircea_popescu;i mean, if you remember this schmuck, he's the "mr bigg" shill mpoe-pr unmasked on the forum.
1010559;1423238769;mod6;srs "journalism"
1010560;1423238776;mircea_popescu;he is now somehow a "software engineer" - heck, if randi could do it ?
1010561;1423238780;mod6;lol mr bigg
1010562;1423238793;mircea_popescu;and he is learning about his company from obscure $300 an article trade rags.
1010563;1423238820;mircea_popescu;imagine that you know, if you had to run boeing with some engineers that went "oh, boeing makes planes actually ? gee i had no idea ty for clarifying"
1010564;1423238834;mircea_popescu;"im a chewing gum aeropropulsion engineer."
1010565;1423238936;mircea_popescu;fluffypony in case it wasn't somehow apparent, "someone" doth not mean you. it doth mean the still unidentified publicly person in charge of handling teh bitcoin problem.
1010566;1423239138;mircea_popescu;in other news, "Warrior Forum8:03 am 54 KiBHow to reach the REALLY rich? - Warrior Forum"
1010567;1423239152;mircea_popescu;gee whiz, i dunno. joining some retards forum, i'm sure o.O
1010568;1423239306;fluffypony;lol
1010569;1423239314;fluffypony;warrior forum never ceases to amuse
1010570;1423239334;mircea_popescu;ever since the flaming idiots of get a freelancer bought it, it's seriously improved
1010571;1423239336;mircea_popescu;comedy-wise.
1010572;1423239354;fluffypony;lol
1010573;1423239404;mircea_popescu;come to think about it : http://girls.twistys.com/preview/totm/12-2014/p01/p/13.jpg << there's a whoile brand of this sort of idiot in ther wild.
1010574;1423239406;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/18UvWyy )
1010575;1423239423;mircea_popescu;twisty's is a fine example : how to make atrociously bad porn out of ingredients found commonly in any porn studio.
1010576;1423239436;mircea_popescu;it's as if there's a race of humans that is really, REALLY bad at anything they do.
1010577;1423239463;mircea_popescu;because in any line there exists this company, which is extremely bad, almost as if it's self-parodic level bad.
1010578;1423239490;mircea_popescu;truly atrocious sort of incomprehensible and unexplainable "you have to be there" sort of bad.
1010579;1423239653;mircea_popescu;unrelatedly, in terms of the bezzel world, this is an excellent entry : http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Datenklo
1010580;1423239654;assbot;Datenklo – Wikipedia ... ( http://bit.ly/1KybteH )
1010581;1423239684;mircea_popescu;so this article discusses the famous ccc modem. at the time, germans being insane as today, it was illegal to own a modem, and you had to rent the state company ones, which were incredibly expensive.
1010582;1423239707;mircea_popescu;expensive enough to get people to where they'd root for copies of teh hacker bible, and then build a modem out of repurposed materials by hand.
1010583;1423239735;mircea_popescu;and now, the meat and potatoes : ". Modems waren damals in Deutschland noch verboten, mit Ausnahme der teuren Mietger�te der Bundespost. Anfang 1987 betrug die monatliche Geb�hr f�r ein BTX-MultiTel 1 48 DM (nach heutiger Kaufkraft 40 �) und f�r ein MultiTel 2 78 DM (nach heutiger Kaufkraft 66 �)"
1010584;1423239763;mircea_popescu;ie, it cost 48 Deutsche Mark, which "at today's values" would be 40 euros.
1010585;1423239789;mircea_popescu;well fuck me sally, if they truly cost 40 euros at today's values then what the fuck's the problem, that's what internet costs today. what is wrong with these people ?
1010586;1423239825;mircea_popescu;obviously nothing's wrong with the people, but plenty's wrong wit hthe "present values" equation, seeing how in 1985 ie 30 years ago it made perfect sense to spend a week and cut out pipes and whatnot to save "the equivalent of 40 euros".
1010587;1423239844;mircea_popescu;more like 400, but then you'd have to explain 1k% inflation in 30 years,
1010588;1423239871;mircea_popescu;;;calc 10**(1/30)
1010589;1423239871;gribble;1.07977516233
1010590;1423239880;mircea_popescu;ie 8% anually, which you don't really wish to do.
1010591;1423239960;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 64300 @ 0.00040158 = 25.8216 BTC [+] {2} 
1010592;1423240048;mircea_popescu;and in even other-er news, http://www.romania-insider.com/romanian-models-detained-in-prostitution-case/141548/
1010593;1423240051;assbot;Romanian models detained in prostitution case | Romania-Insider.com ... ( http://bit.ly/18UxBnG )
1010594;1423240099;mircea_popescu;that's right, i come from a country where you USED to have to be cool to be able to fuck most of the starlets on tv (prhaps with the show playing in the background, if so inclined). nowadays any schmuck with a coupla bitcoin can do it.
1010595;1423240374;chetty; and you had to rent the state company ones// coming soon to us, internet public utility will make it so
1010596;1423240391;mircea_popescu;quite.
1010597;1423240424;mircea_popescu;it's really funny how the politics of this worked out : 1) buncha companies, unregulated market, bring the thing into existence.
1010598;1423240437;mircea_popescu;2) client companies of the state wish to be important. the market tells them to stuff it
1010599;1423240455;mircea_popescu;3) government steps in, sweeps the whole thing under itself, since 2 failed.
1010600;1423240473;mircea_popescu;net result ? a frail, broken, centralized item to take place of the vibrant original and slowly decay. it's "just as good',
1010601;1423240483;mircea_popescu;exactly in the manner 40 euros are "just as good" as 48 DM
1010602;1423240536;mircea_popescu;either way, the only thing a functioning market can expect is attack, either by government agencies masquerading as companies, or else by government agencies actually admitting their government affiliation.
1010603;1423240546;mircea_popescu;in either case, what can't be had in the socialist state is free market.
1010604;1423240692;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 72600 @ 0.00040167 = 29.1612 BTC [+]
1010605;1423241211;mircea_popescu;"[Note: It is interesting to notice that Mr Kennedy, USA Ambassador in London, remarked on his return to New York in October 1940 that as a result of the war "democracy is finished". By "democracy", of course, he meant private capitalism. (Author's footnote.)]"
1010606;1423241238;mircea_popescu;lmao. no, you dumb fucking schmuck. he didn't mean what unrelated term you wish he had meant. he meant what he said : the ridiculous notion that random people may speak on random questions.
1010607;1423241300;mircea_popescu;"she said get lost and if i never see you again it'll be soon enough. by get lost, of course, she meant let's snuggle and by never she meant she loves me!11"
1010608;1423241319;mircea_popescu;fucking psychotic logic.
1010609;1423244291;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9961 @ 0.00039988 = 3.9832 BTC [-]
1010610;1423244691;TheNewDeal;;;Nethash
1010611;1423244692;gribble;326145878.624
1010612;1423244702;TheNewDeal;;;Bc,stats
1010613;1423244708;gribble;Current Blocks: 342275 | Current Difficulty: 4.127287389469702E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 342719 | Next Difficulty In: 444 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 2 days, 15 hours, 3 minutes, and 11 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 44694430246.3 | Estimated Percent Change: 8.29009
1010614;1423246853;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9142 @ 0.00039667 = 3.6264 BTC [-] {2} 
1010615;1423247291;danielpbarron;i got 2nd pogo running; it's using my own compiled bitcoind (porta tronic non bastard) and it's successfully pulling blocks from my other pogo (running ascii's porta-tronic bastard)
1010616;1423247323;danielpbarron;the 2nd one has 2 gigs of swap space
1010617;1423247521;danielpbarron;weird, it hung up for a few minutes on block 3000
1010618;1423247532;danielpbarron;but now it appears to be chugging along
1010619;1423247560;danielpbarron;and again on 3500 ?
1010620;1423247600;danielpbarron;gonna get lunch; will check in later
1010621;1423247951;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 128787 @ 0.00040195 = 51.7659 BTC [+] {2} 
1010622;1423249090;mod6;thanks for the updates danielpbarron
1010623;1423249537;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 32405 @ 0.00040276 = 13.0514 BTC [+]
1010624;1423250269;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27600 @ 0.00040361 = 11.1396 BTC [+]
1010625;1423250636;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 66398 @ 0.00040405 = 26.8281 BTC [+] {2} 
1010626;1423251123;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 1600 @ 0.00096189 = 1.539 BTC [-] {2} 
1010627;1423251928;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: 2) client companies of the state wish to be important. the market tells them to stuff it 3) government steps in... <<< see also the famous example of syntex corp. in mexico (carl djerassi!) - first mass-production of synthetic progestins, then nationalized, then gone - 'bad luck!'
1010628;1423252046;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: Modems waren damals in Deutschland noch verboten, mit Ausnahme der teuren Mietger�te der Bundespost << this was SOP in the national telco monopolies of that period; most famously, in usa, where all line equipment, incl. handsets, was considered property of bell co.
1010629;1423252106;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: phun phact: there are still a few hundred thousand idiots renting landline handsets in usa from lucent (who inherited that subdivision)
1010630;1423252139;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: http://www.deseretnews.com/article/865555052/Bad-call-Seniors-paying-thousands-to-lease-home-phones.html?pg=all
1010631;1423252141;assbot;Bad call: Seniors paying thousands to lease home phones | Deseret News ... ( http://bit.ly/1CBQvw3 )
1010632;1423252173;asciilifeform;and dollars to doughnuts, some forgotten government office somewhere is still renting a modem.
1010633;1423252248;asciilifeform;http://www.qltcls.com/products/corded-phones << mindfuck. they still take new customers.
1010634;1423252250;assbot;Corded Phones | QLT Consumer Lease Services, Inc. ... ( http://bit.ly/1CBQR5K )
1010635;1423252478;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: engine where the piston was really just a magnet-bearing shuttle zipping back and forth through coils << i once saw a flashlight based on this principle. a real bitch to charge - much time and sore muscle spent in changing direction. but this would work beautifully for a liquid-piston stirling engine (see last night's thread).
1010636;1423252496;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: conductive liquid, naturally
1010637;1423252574;dignork;http://www.qltcls.com/products/corded-phones << rotary phones!
1010638;1423252576;assbot;Corded Phones | QLT Consumer Lease Services, Inc. ... ( http://bit.ly/1CBRFrj )
1010639;1423252619;asciilifeform;dignork: it is largely for ^ that american telcos still support 'pulse dialing'
1010640;1423252643;trinque;an observation: the latency of the credit card networks is measured in days
1010641;1423252667;asciilifeform;trinque: where?! in zimbabwe ?
1010642;1423252680;punkman;i once saw a flashlight based on this principle. a real bitch to charge << I once took a design class where this was a case study of "innovation" and "green"
1010643;1423252682;asciilifeform;trinque: or were you thinking of the lag from purchase to bank statement ?
1010644;1423252683;trinque;asciilifeform: the merchant gets their money in days in the US
1010645;1423252687;trinque;asciilifeform: corrrect
1010646;1423252690;asciilifeform;aha.
1010647;1423252702;asciilifeform;the folks who count (tm) get it immediately
1010648;1423252707;asciilifeform;hence, from their pov - no delay.
1010649;1423252719;trinque;asciilifeform: even that's more a temporary loan right?
1010650;1423252724;trinque;but I guess if we're talking "effectively" sure
1010651;1423252743;trinque;thought was this claim that bitcoin as-is is slow is complete bullshit
1010652;1423252762;trinque;it's the fastest payment system I'm aware of when you consider the whole process
1010653;1423252796;asciilifeform;punkman: flashlight...  was a case study of "innovation" and "green" << the meat puppets responsible should be condemned to spend the rest of their days in oubliette, with only nyt to read, lit only by that flashlight.
1010654;1423252871;punkman;I gotta dig up that textbook, many lolz to be had
1010655;1423252873;trinque;+asciilifeform | the folks who count (tm) get it immediately << dunno that this is so, isn't "settlement" a thing to allow for reversals, etc?
1010656;1423252892;asciilifeform;reversals get taken straight from the merchant's account.
1010657;1423252908;punkman;plus chargeback fee ^
1010658;1423252944;punkman;on that note, here is a gem https://ensafer.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/11/bg-app-showcase-adjusted.jpg
1010659;1423252945;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1CBSFvJ )
1010660;1423252983;trinque;even seven figure processing accounts I've seen take days to hit a bank account, or at least the next day
1010661;1423253114;trinque;punkman: lol wow the future of p2p payments
1010662;1423253134;punkman;it's a "secure" messaging app
1010663;1423253146;punkman;I never thought of this https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B9KqynNIUAEj87i.jpg
1010664;1423253147;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1KyHTpa )
1010665;1423253220;asciilifeform;punkman: odd. i know of no car recent enough to come with a remote button, that doesn't beep/flash when locked/unlocked
1010666;1423253237;punkman;people forget
1010667;1423253261;asciilifeform;for some reason they never seen to forget to put on pants when walking out the door
1010668;1423253372;punkman;I left my bike unlocked for three days, noticed today
1010669;1423253470;PeterL;My wife's bike was once stolen out of our garage ... whoever took it left their bike sitting in our yard. It was the weirdest thing.
1010670;1423253503;asciilifeform;bike laundry.
1010671;1423253929;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26050 @ 0.00040434 = 10.5331 BTC [+]
1010672;1423254722;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 41249 @ 0.00040434 = 16.6786 BTC [+]
1010673;1423255698;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24600 @ 0.00040434 = 9.9468 BTC [+]
1010674;1423256308;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34100 @ 0.00040434 = 13.788 BTC [+]
1010675;1423257049;danielpbarron;https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Block_chain_download#Large_Catchup_Case << i think this is why it gets stuck every 500 blocks
1010676;1423257052;assbot;Block chain download - Bitcoin ... ( http://bit.ly/1C1Xzgc )
1010677;1423257162;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26950 @ 0.00040434 = 10.897 BTC [+]
1010678;1423257345;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 90708 @ 0.00039982 = 36.2669 BTC [-] {2} 
1010679;1423258261;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 46950 @ 0.00039627 = 18.6049 BTC [-]
1010680;1423258728;BingoBoingo;http://qntra.net/2015/02/amazon-exits-crimea/
1010681;1423258729;assbot;Amazon Exits Crimea | Qntra.net ... ( http://bit.ly/1C227TU )
1010682;1423259297;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25200 @ 0.00039627 = 9.986 BTC [-]
1010683;1423259795;danielpbarron;when i turn off my 1st pogo and let the 2nd talk to the rest of the network, it doesn't hang up on every 500th block; i guess there is some config variable that limits how many blocks to send to one peer per session?
1010684;1423259899;danielpbarron;at height=27000  the memory is at like 70% used, no swap
1010685;1423260175;thestringpuller;danielpbarron: what version of Bitcoin are you running?
1010686;1423260265;danielpbarron;the official one
1010687;1423260266;mod6;it's the portotronic version v0.5.3.2 right?
1010688;1423260283;danielpbarron;it's with all the patches up to porta-tronic
1010689;1423260304;danielpbarron;so everything on the homepage of thebitcoin.foundation + porta-tronic
1010690;1423260316;danielpbarron;you can see exactly how i built it here http://danielpbarron.com/pogo-build.sh.txt
1010691;1423260318;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1EMJlGe )
1010692;1423260428;danielpbarron;might be errors if you run that though; i haven't tested it since i cleaned it up to look nice
1010693;1423260430;mod6;ah, my mistake.  ascii numbered the "Orphanage Burner" as v0.5.3.2
1010694;1423260447;danielpbarron;oh hm
1010695;1423260451;danielpbarron;maybe that's why
1010696;1423260470;danielpbarron;the pogo with the longer chain is running the burner
1010697;1423260477;danielpbarron;lemme try without that
1010698;1423260836;BingoBoingo;http://www.cnn.com/2015/02/05/us/missouri-fake-kidnapping/index.html
1010699;1423260837;assbot;Police: 6-year-old boy 'kidnapped' for being too nice to strangers - CNN.com ... ( http://bit.ly/1C5EbkQ )
1010700;1423260897;trinque;BingoBoingo: they didn't sterilize the 4; doing it wrong
1010701;1423260903;danielpbarron;how can a mom get arrested for kidnapping her own son? was the dad not in on it or something?
1010702;1423260932;BingoBoingo;danielpbarron: Looks like he wasn't
1010703;1423261005;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 72866 @ 0.0004035 = 29.4014 BTC [+] {2} 
1010704;1423261116;danielpbarron;looks like it's still stopping after 500 blocks even without the orphan burning
1010705;1423261348;the_scourge;!s "orphanage burner"
1010706;1423261349;assbot;6 results for '"orphanage burner"' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=%22orphanage+burner%22
1010707;1423261432;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 51250 @ 0.00039324 = 20.1536 BTC [-] {3} 
1010708;1423261509;the_scourge;asciilifeform: i take it the reference is to the 'hopelessly out of order' meaning, not the traditional definition?
1010709;1423261660;danielpbarron;it's supposed to dump the orphan blocks stored in memory to keep the pogoplug from crashing
1010710;1423261709;danielpbarron;except it's a dirty hack, and the pogo crashes anyway
1010711;1423261871;the_scourge;oh ok
1010712;1423262001;the_scourge;what's the cheapest device that has usb 3.0? one can get super cheap USB keys on amazon, that would solve the problem
1010713;1423262038;danielpbarron;the_scourge, have you been told to read the log yet?
1010714;1423262143;danielpbarron;watching SetBestChain: new best=   scroll by is oddly soothing
1010715;1423262231;danielpbarron;;;tslb
1010716;1423262239;gribble;Error: Problem retrieving latest block data.
1010717;1423262463;danielpbarron;height=49141 and i'm getting lots of orphan spam, swap space is getting used now
1010718;1423262469;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 66500 @ 0.00040434 = 26.8886 BTC [+]
1010719;1423262568;danielpbarron;ah weird, it's still only going up in chunks of 500
1010720;1423262678;danielpbarron;going back to connecting directly to my 1st pogo in that case
1010721;1423262774;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 80092 @ 0.00040445 = 32.3932 BTC [+] {3} 
1010722;1423262817;the_scourge;mircea_popescu: where did you get the idea for mpoe?
1010723;1423262887;danielpbarron;ok and now it's getting more than 500 at a time connected directly to eachother.. wtf
1010724;1423263108;the_scourge;danielpbarron: which block did it change behavior?
1010725;1423263154;danielpbarron;!gettrust the_scourge
1010726;1423263156;assbot;Trust relationship from user danielpbarron to user the_scourge: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 2 via 2 connections. | http://w.b-a.link/trust/danielpbarron/the_scourge | http://w.b-a.link/user/the_scourge
1010727;1423263179;danielpbarron;around the one that i posted above ^
1010728;1423263366;danielpbarron;hm, and now the 1st pogo (longer chain) is stuck while the 2nd pulls from it
1010729;1423263395;danielpbarron;i'm ok with that if it's just until the 2nd catches up
1010730;1423263809;asciilifeform;danielpbarron: of course it will crash. esp. if you built it with max=750 (as in the patch) but with 250 likewise
1010731;1423263820;asciilifeform;still guzzles ram
1010732;1423263868;danielpbarron;here is something strange: when i sent "getinfo" to the longer stuck node, it stapped out of it and started recieving new blocks again
1010733;1423263875;asciilifeform;what is really needed is the experiment suggested by mircea_popescu (or was it davout?) where difficulty-outlier blocks are shot on sight
1010734;1423263904;danielpbarron;and simultaneously the shorter unstuck node, stopped getting new blocks
1010735;1423263915;asciilifeform;the phoundation backport crap needs to go
1010736;1423263946;asciilifeform;;;bc,stats
1010737;1423263949;gribble;Current Blocks: 342317 | Current Difficulty: 4.127287389469702E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 342719 | Next Difficulty In: 402 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 2 days, 8 hours, 45 minutes, and 10 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 44872170693.4 | Estimated Percent Change: 8.72073
1010738;1423263955;asciilifeform;and,
1010739;1423263963;asciilifeform;300539.
1010740;1423263979;danielpbarron;how are you so far ahead :p
1010741;1423263987;asciilifeform;recall, this wasn't a pogo
1010742;1423263999;asciilifeform;but a generic x86.
1010743;1423264013;danielpbarron;my 0.7.2 node took 2 or 3 weeks to full sync
1010744;1423264030;asciilifeform;on what? modem made from dead squirrel?
1010745;1423264041;danielpbarron;standard home cable
1010746;1423264071;asciilifeform;this one is on 100mb fiber
1010747;1423264092;asciilifeform;but otherwise unsurprising, this is the fifth day
1010748;1423264101;danielpbarron;i didn't think bandwidth was the bottleneck
1010749;1423264108;asciilifeform;luck is the main bottleneck
1010750;1423264114;danielpbarron;i recall it taking just as long when i used bootstrap.dat
1010751;1423264115;asciilifeform;recall how sync is from one peer at a time
1010752;1423264908;cazalla;http://qntra.net/2015/02/tour-of-a-chinese-bitcoin-mine/
1010753;1423264910;assbot;Tour Of A Chinese Bitcoin Mine | Qntra.net ... ( http://bit.ly/1zXzLiz )
1010754;1423265093;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 20 @ 0.10374042 = 2.0748 BTC [+] {7} 
1010755;1423265398;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21500 @ 0.00040506 = 8.7088 BTC [+]
1010756;1423265427;asciilifeform;cazalla: interestingly, two faces at the ~6'26'' mark are censored out
1010757;1423265469;asciilifeform;(and similarly, later in)
1010758;1423265500;asciilifeform;http://youtu.be/K8kua5B5K3I?t=6m46s << run moar winblows! (tm)
1010759;1423265502;assbot;Life Inside a Secret Chinese Bitcoin Mine - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1DOjMRq )
1010760;1423265520;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 1151 @ 0.0009619 = 1.1071 BTC [+] {3} 
1010761;1423265947;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 80100 @ 0.00040512 = 32.4501 BTC [+] {2} 
1010762;1423265963;asciilifeform;and, lol! why 'secret chinese bitcoin mine'? what is the secret ?
1010763;1423265988;mircea_popescu;isn;tthat old ?
1010764;1423266018;asciilifeform;new.
1010765;1423266032;BingoBoingo;https://twitter.com/nickdepetrillo/status/563782000058695682
1010766;1423266033;assbot;Welcome to the future: Philips HUE iOS app crashes and they pulled the app. I can't control my lights anymore. Send help.
1010767;1423266039;mircea_popescu;http://www.infowars.com/economist-new-bill-turns-tsa-into-tax-police/
1010768;1423266041;assbot; » Economist: New Bill Turns TSA Into Tax Police  Alex Jones' Infowars: There's a war on for your mind! ... ( http://bit.ly/1DOlrGA )
1010769;1423266046;mircea_popescu;and the noose ever narrows.
1010770;1423266199;asciilifeform;the noose appears to be about the same width as previously (post-'01)
1010771;1423266242;asciilifeform;(for non-u.s. folks: for many years, the guards have been running names through 'wanted' lists when you walk in or out of usa)
1010772;1423266384;asciilifeform;'Keeping gold in a safe deposit box is money laundering carrying up to 25 years in prison.' << fiction. (though 'deposit boxes' remain a hilarious scam. see old thread, http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-10-2014#875487 )
1010773;1423266384;assbot;Logged on 15-10-2014 17:38:27; assbot: Logged on 30-08-2014 16:11:44; asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: re: 'coinbase insurance' post - little story. recently i had occasion to rent a box at a bank (storage of various paperwork for firm.) the contract was a hilarious read. bank only insures a box for up to 25k usd. and specifically excludes damage from robbery, fire, water... virtually anything.
1010774;1423266405;cazalla;asciilifeform, prob the real owner and it's a staff member being interviewed instead
1010775;1423266453;mircea_popescu;punkman:
1010776;1423266453;mircea_popescu;i once saw a flashlight based on this principle. a real bitch to charge << I once took a design class where this was a case study of "innovation" and "green" << as it should be. if i recall correctly the russian name is "labour & light"
1010777;1423266459;cazalla;mircea_popescu, it's old as in there was a photo of the psu dump out last year and it was filmed last year but new as in full clip released today
1010778;1423266468;mircea_popescu;a ok
1010779;1423266510;mircea_popescu;the all union vladimir obama pioneers will certainly enjoy the eco lantern.
1010780;1423266524;asciilifeform;лампочка ильича!
1010781;1423266549;mircea_popescu;Всегда готов!
1010782;1423266580;mircea_popescu;lampushka iliusha hahaha
1010783;1423266587;mircea_popescu;o god  that sounds lulzy.
1010784;1423266611;asciilifeform;incidentally, this phrase has been resurrected and now fondly refers to the (increasingly rare) traditional incandescent bulb
1010785;1423266617;mircea_popescu;aww
1010786;1423266618;asciilifeform;specifically vs. modern chimeras
1010787;1423266638;mircea_popescu;trinque: asciilifeform: the merchant gets their money in days in the US << noob. it's date+60.
1010788;1423266645;asciilifeform;for n00bs: illych's [lenin's] lightbulb
1010789;1423266649;mircea_popescu;days, sure, in the sense bitcoin txn confirm "in seconds"
1010790;1423266676;trinque;mircea_popescu: right, I was saying the "visa is so speed" argument is bullshit
1010791;1423266684;mircea_popescu;utterly bs.
1010792;1423266710;mircea_popescu;but then again, bringing arguments to people who never had any sort of life experience is not unlike trying to give serpents haircuts.
1010793;1423266720;mircea_popescu;always ends at step 1) grow some hair.
1010794;1423266735;*;asciilifeform was buying lightbulbs not long ago, and did a double-take when saw a line of specifically 'retro' bulbs, claiming to be 'precisely like those of edison's time' - and at least were genuine in costing 10x what one normally expects, and putting out 1/5th the light
1010795;1423266757;asciilifeform;(also had the requisite rought-blown shape and the multiple filaments)
1010796;1423266859;mircea_popescu;multiple fillaments ?
1010797;1423266878;asciilifeform;http://www.industry-home.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/05/Edison-Bulb-30-Watt.jpg
1010798;1423266880;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1DnOnY2 )
1010799;1423266963;mircea_popescu;oh i had some of them on display
1010800;1423267002;asciilifeform;aha i recall
1010801;1423267202;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo so is the "fake kidnapped kid" story the result of "boy telling school what happened"
1010802;1423267215;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: Indeed.
1010803;1423267221;mircea_popescu;or is it the result of phone interception -> police telling school to ask kid -> kid not denying convincingly
1010804;1423267244;asciilifeform;http://vocore.io/wiki/index << wants to be a node.
1010805;1423267245;assbot;VoCore | A coin-sized Linux computer with wifi ... ( http://bit.ly/1DnPbMx )
1010806;1423267269;asciilifeform;^ 32MB. and fuck, that ought to be enough for a bitcoin node
1010807;1423267286;mircea_popescu;it ought.
1010808;1423267290;asciilifeform;chinese mips.
1010809;1423267358;asciilifeform;http://www.cnx-software.com/2014/04/28/15-asiarf-awm002-awm003-wi-fi-modules-run-openwrt-expose-gpios << similar, but more mass-produced
1010810;1423267359;assbot; $15 AsiaRF AWM002 & AWM003 Wi-Fi Modules Run OpenWRT, Expose GPIOs  ... ( http://bit.ly/1DnPrLq )
1010811;1423267390;mircea_popescu;danielpbarron: my 0.7.2 node took 2 or 3 weeks to full sync << no he's right, it's what it used to be.
1010812;1423267393;*;asciilifeform not thrilled with the wireless thing, but it seems to be inescapable in small embedded crapatrons
1010813;1423267426;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform what happens if you short the antenna of a wifi device ?
1010814;1423267427;mircea_popescu;fixed ?
1010815;1423267450;asciilifeform;you don't actually have to open & mutilate, just don't include it in kernel
1010816;1423267492;asciilifeform;node is not a reactor, if thing sits on bus and listens for doomsday signal from enemy, it'll do what?
1010817;1423267493;mircea_popescu;no, no
1010818;1423267504;mircea_popescu;if it has any magic packet business, it'll come wiereless.
1010819;1423267512;asciilifeform;then pull the internal antenna
1010820;1423267530;mircea_popescu;short all the things!
1010821;1423267552;BingoBoingo;* asciilifeform not thrilled with the wireless thing, but it seems to be inescapable in small embedded crapatrons << There's probably a role somewhere for a kind of node with it. Plugged in at "Free Wifi" coffee shop or library. connects to open network, changes MAC address when booted from network. Has script to handled shrink wrap license pages when encountered.
1010822;1423267555;asciilifeform;how it will behave shorted will depend on whether designer bothered with safety
1010823;1423267565;asciilifeform;experiment.
1010824;1423267638;asciilifeform;wireless cards could in principle be used for forming local meshes, etc. but this is for other folks to study
1010825;1423267658;asciilifeform;and ideally you'd want one that doesn't dma
1010826;1423267667;mircea_popescu;writing a proper wifi thing for the new world is not on this year's plate.
1010827;1423267670;asciilifeform;aha.
1010828;1423267682;mircea_popescu;great tech, in principle.
1010829;1423267721;asciilifeform;except the obvious pill is to forget the 802.11 crap and use straight sdr
1010830;1423267751;asciilifeform;ignoring 'spectrum property' and spread/hopping far and wide, as modern mil. radios do.
1010831;1423267902;mircea_popescu;yup
1010832;1423267917;mircea_popescu;exactly that. a pointed disdain of any rule and regulation not gpg signed as so much crud.
1010833;1423267998;mircea_popescu;!up HlySht
1010834;1423268266;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 39243 @ 0.00040527 = 15.904 BTC [+]
1010835;1423268278;the_scourge;asciilifeform: that vocore was just crowdfunded recently. i think they fullfilled initial orders sometime in the past year. i didn't know they were mips!!
1010836;1423268318;asciilifeform;RT5350.
1010837;1423268420;the_scourge;uh that's a wireless chip? i thought we're talking about cpu. i.e. mips
1010838;1423268491;asciilifeform;https://wikidevi.com/wiki/Ralink_RT5350
1010839;1423268493;assbot;Ralink RT5350 - WikiDevi ... ( http://bit.ly/1DnSR0J )
1010840;1423268502;asciilifeform;it's one of those all-in-one soc things.
1010841;1423268513;the_scourge;>wireless cards could in principle be used for forming local meshes, etc. but this is for other folks to study < as long as cryptography is secure, then it's not urgent. but very interesting
1010842;1423268566;the_scourge;asciilifeform++ thanks, very interesting bit of kit
1010843;1423268594;asciilifeform;the_scourge: wai, wat?! if secure crypto were unknown, it then would be more urgent?
1010844;1423268750;the_scourge;um if we had no way to secure comms on the wild internet, where layers 1-4 can be listened to by demotists (i wouldn't mind if it was a monarch),
1010845;1423268753;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 151800 @ 0.00040542 = 61.5428 BTC [+] {3} 
1010846;1423268767;the_scourge;then the only alternative would be meshes
1010847;1423268772;asciilifeform;the_scourge: but wireless links between streets would then be secure ?
1010848;1423268788;the_scourge;and WoT to eject untrustworthy nodes
1010849;1423268799;the_scourge;if it's los, yes
1010850;1423268809;the_scourge;my guns are all los too
1010851;1423268815;asciilifeform;secure los exists only in vacuum
1010852;1423268826;the_scourge;:) funny how that works
1010853;1423268831;asciilifeform;and not in the vacuum of space, either - there are loose H2 atoms bouncing there
1010854;1423268833;asciilifeform;might reflect.
1010855;1423268841;the_scourge;meh
1010856;1423268891;mircea_popescu;i wonder if one could kickstart an experimental vehicle for space vacuum filtration to extract gold and other rare metals.
1010857;1423268909;the_scourge;thats and acceptable threat model considering there are HUMANS involved that can fuck up and give away the keys to te kingdom
1010858;1423268915;asciilifeform;from low orbit usg junk ?
1010859;1423268923;mircea_popescu;just talk around the math involved, hire the people out of work once gavin gets forgotten about.
1010860;1423268932;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform no, from cranial junk
1010861;1423268940;asciilifeform;l0l
1010862;1423268948;asciilifeform;from cranial junk - can extract anything at all.
1010863;1423268956;asciilifeform;even unobtainium.
1010864;1423269159;the_scourge;http://www.loper-os.org/?p=69 < this summarizes nicely every smoke break rant i had at the junior devs onsite today
1010865;1423269161;assbot;Loper OS » Where Lisp Fails: at Turning People into Fungible Cogs. ... ( http://bit.ly/1DnUThj )
1010866;1423269185;mircea_popescu;on site of what ?
1010867;1423269205;*;the_scourge has been desperately trying to avoid learning scheme/Qi for years, fearing never being able to hold a 'productive' contract again
1010868;1423269212;the_scourge;mircea_popescu: client site
1010869;1423269222;the_scourge;the one that got ddos'd
1010870;1423269227;mircea_popescu;client provides its own devs ?
1010871;1423269236;the_scourge;there are hundreds
1010872;1423269286;the_scourge;the team working for me has maybe a dozen and then a massive team in manila that another contractor manages. it's ... depressing
1010873;1423269338;the_scourge;asciilifeform: you know that mark tarver guy you linked to, are you familiar with his Qi and Chen languages?
1010874;1423269343;asciilifeform;yes.
1010875;1423269347;asciilifeform;wasn't impressed.
1010876;1423269355;the_scourge;if Qi is anything like nix, i would love it forever
1010877;1423269381;the_scourge;anywhere i can go to get some honest opinions on his work then?
1010878;1423269384;asciilifeform;iirc tarver eventually gave up and went off to hell knows where.
1010879;1423269400;asciilifeform;the_scourge: there was, at least in the past, a 'google groups' thing for it.
1010880;1423269404;the_scourge;:( he's just on a downer!
1010881;1423269405;asciilifeform;may still be there.
1010882;1423269415;the_scourge;no, i want critics, not fanboys
1010883;1423269428;the_scourge;did you do a writeup? i've grepped for such to no avail :(
1010884;1423269432;asciilifeform;did not.
1010885;1423269443;asciilifeform;did not find it interesting enough to bother with a writeup.
1010886;1423269469;*;asciilifeform not a fan of 'pattern matching' languages a la prolog where the operator has no possible way of having the faintest clue what an operation will cost
1010887;1423269534;the_scourge;right but that's only tru of Qi, not Shen
1010888;1423269561;asciilifeform;shen had pattern-matching.
1010889;1423269565;*;the_scourge wonders if a 'pattern matching' language could even be a functional language
1010890;1423269572;asciilifeform;and even a built-in prolog!
1010891;1423269618;asciilifeform;just about everything pushed as 'pure functional' (haskell, standard ml, etc.) to a large extent operate via pattern matching
1010892;1423269640;the_scourge;https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shen_(programming_language) < "an integrated fully functional Prolog" hrm you're right about the latter
1010893;1423269642;assbot;Shen (programming language) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ... ( http://bit.ly/1DnWkfM )
1010894;1423269645;asciilifeform;don't take my word for this, look at how they are implemented
1010895;1423269680;*;the_scourge learned nix over christmas and thought about learning haskell
1010896;1423269690;the_scourge;i'll have to look at the haskell implementation
1010897;1423269709;danielpbarron;here's a rough draft of pogo instructions: http://danielpbarron.com/pogo-howto.txt  / criticisms welcomed!
1010898;1423269710;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1DnWB2c )
1010899;1423269710;the_scourge;although a few things came up when i started looking into it that turned me off haskell
1010900;1423269737;asciilifeform;the tell-tale symptom of a programming language that does far too much behind the scenes is when its users seldom, if ever, study the implementation
1010901;1423269783;asciilifeform;writing a (demented but functional) c compiler and (very old-fashioned, to the point of braindamage) lisp interp. used to be standard homework assignments
1010902;1423269788;the_scourge;is perl a pretty good example of what you mean?
1010903;1423269793;asciilifeform;one such
1010904;1423269843;asciilifeform;danielpbarron: this gives you a rather heavyweight linux - with systemd, even.
1010905;1423269861;asciilifeform;danielpbarron: eventual goal, i dare say, is a fully-automated reflasher that drops in something sane.
1010906;1423269869;danielpbarron;yeh i'd like to use something other than arch but that's what i've figured out for now
1010907;1423269875;the_scourge;asciilifeform: would https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lisp_in_Small_Pieces be a good place to start with such excercises?
1010908;1423269877;assbot;Lisp in Small Pieces - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ... ( http://bit.ly/1DnX3xo )
1010909;1423269877;asciilifeform;'buildroot' is the ticket
1010910;1423269886;asciilifeform;the_scourge: christian quinniec's book?
1010911;1423269890;danielpbarron;yeah the instructions at this point are only for advanced users :/
1010912;1423269899;the_scourge;asciilifeform: yes
1010913;1423269907;asciilifeform;heavy but very enlightening work.
1010914;1423269919;danielpbarron;oh man is it!
1010915;1423269925;danielpbarron;<3 gentoo
1010916;1423269936;the_scourge;danielpbarron: nixos has a pretty good balance of minimal and predictable (even for noobs), have you considered that?
1010917;1423269940;danielpbarron;i get the feeling they intentionally leave things out of their guides to force the user to figure it out
1010918;1423269969;mircea_popescu;<asciilifeform> danielpbarron: eventual goal, i dare say, is a fully-automated reflasher that drops in something sane. << quite
1010919;1423269978;asciilifeform;the_scourge: 'NixOS 14.12 �Caterpillar� has been released, the third stable release branch. It brings Linux 3.14, systemd 217, Glibc 2.20, KDE 4.14.1, and much more.'
1010920;1423269981;asciilifeform;the_scourge: trololol!
1010921;1423269985;mircea_popescu;in any case purge that systemd atrocity , as a matter of principle if not necessarily practicality.
1010922;1423270012;asciilifeform;danielpbarron has probably noticed that pieces of 'systemd' crash every few hrs. on that box
1010923;1423270028;danielpbarron;i've noticed that it needs constant supervision, yes
1010924;1423270042;mircea_popescu;it's only to make use of the "much faster boot"
1010925;1423270065;the_scourge;asciilifeform: if you're implying it's not lightweight, only systemd and the kernel are installed off the bat. and some guys have done work on a systemdless setup
1010926;1423270069;asciilifeform;at any rate, it pretty much has to be a 'buildroot' script in the end. so as everything ends up in a ro-mountable flash image.
1010927;1423270077;mircea_popescu;how is poettering to sell a shitty re-implementation of yarvin's pile of crap ? PROCLAIM LOUDLY THAT IT BOOTS FASTLY.
1010928;1423270085;asciilifeform;the_scourge: we are discussing an embedded system with 128m each of ram and eeprom.
1010929;1423270088;mircea_popescu;notwithstanding that a) not really and b) a machine's not really supposed to boot anyway
1010930;1423270089;danielpbarron;i don't care how fast it boot since it shouldn't have to do that more than once (depending on the stability of your electric)
1010931;1423270128;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform what was the curtis yarvin brand of systemd called ? i forget ?
1010932;1423270136;mircea_popescu;quux ?
1010933;1423270164;asciilifeform;mr mold did not, last i heard, ever publish anything analogous to systemd
1010934;1423270168;mircea_popescu;urbit
1010935;1423270173;mircea_popescu;o ya ? what's urbit ?
1010936;1423270194;asciilifeform;had a perverse functional-programming master's thesis disguised as an open source project, yes
1010937;1423270204;asciilifeform;urbit.
1010938;1423270218;the_scourge;urbit is yarvin's thing
1010939;1423270218;mircea_popescu;https://www.popehat.com/2013/12/06/nock-hoon-etc-for-non-vulcans-why-urbit-matters/ << lulzy vintage.
1010940;1423270218;asciilifeform;(for n00bz: http://www.loper-os.org/?p=1390 )
1010941;1423270220;assbot;Loper OS » Of Decaying Urbits. ... ( http://bit.ly/1DnXY0T )
1010942;1423270238;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform indulge me : tries to take over everything ? check. crashes all the time ? check. two matches, good enough.
1010943;1423270243;*;asciilifeform followed project for a while before it was publicly advertised
1010944;1423270272;mircea_popescu;this is even skipping the "ambitious nobody proponent with a history of failure up to that point"
1010945;1423270274;asciilifeform;it actually has a closer resemblance to the perverse programming languages discussed earlier in this thread, than to systemd
1010946;1423270289;mircea_popescu;i would imagine alsa is uncontroversially a massive failure on poettering's scoreboard.
1010947;1423270309;asciilifeform;alsa almost works.
1010948;1423270348;mircea_popescu;exactly my point.
1010949;1423270349;the_scourge;he did the other one
1010950;1423270356;mircea_popescu;stuff that almost works for its lifetime is worse than no stuff.
1010951;1423270368;the_scourge;alsa was what he tried to replace
1010952;1423270418;mircea_popescu;iirc there existed an alsa as a kernel module
1010953;1423270427;mircea_popescu;but then pulseaudio swallowed it.
1010954;1423270438;mircea_popescu;i guess it'd be sort of dress-rehearsal for systemd
1010955;1423270456;asciilifeform;iirc there are not yet poetteringisms in the mainline kernel.
1010956;1423270485;mircea_popescu;"Even in 2014, you cannot use PulseAudio for competetive gaming on Linux. Not that it matters anyway. Even Valve abandoned Linux."
1010957;1423270502;mircea_popescu;this, incidentally, is a major point. the death of the linux is not exactly unrelated toi the major disappointment of the money makers.
1010958;1423270518;mircea_popescu;people tried to get games going on the platform, 2007-8ish to about 2012. it failed.
1010959;1423270565;asciilifeform;not entirely unconnected with the gpu vendors' behaviour.
1010960;1423270583;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 46969 @ 0.00039543 = 18.573 BTC [-]
1010961;1423270594;mircea_popescu;not entirely, no.
1010962;1423270613;mircea_popescu;also not entirely unconnected with open source peace and love nitwits who far from knowing which necks to squeeze,
1010963;1423270621;mircea_popescu;don't even realise squeezing necks is what gets things done.
1010964;1423270660;mircea_popescu;but anyway, yes, it seems the alsa | pulseaudio difference was in fact bitterly preserved. one of those underground wars people like me tend to embarass themselves by not noticing.
1010965;1423270690;BingoBoingo;http://qntra.net/2015/02/turbotax-stops-filing-state-tax-returns-due-to-massive-fraud/
1010966;1423270691;assbot;TurboTax Stops Filing State Tax Returns Due To Massive Fraud | Qntra.net ... ( http://bit.ly/1DnZ2lA )
1010967;1423270702;mircea_popescu;o.O
1010968;1423270742;kakobrekla;prolly nobody cares but i just checked for fun whats the pogo cost in europe; its 55 dorra.
1010969;1423270765;mircea_popescu;kakobrekla yeah they run out of stock, not looking like they want to replenish it either.
1010970;1423270765;asciilifeform;kakobrekla: i distinctly recall seeing this figure here earlier
1010971;1423270766;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 17300 @ 0.00093104 = 16.107 BTC [-] {39} 
1010972;1423270777;kakobrekla;ah ok
1010973;1423270788;kakobrekla;must have missed it
1010974;1423270794;asciilifeform;kakobrekla: i've been looking into alternatives
1010975;1423270820;asciilifeform;kakobrekla: thus far, found nothing remotely approaching the bang/buck ratio of pogo
1010976;1423270835;asciilifeform;further suggesting that the latter was a 'loss leader' all along
1010977;1423270851;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo "breech" => breach
1010978;1423270861;kakobrekla;only true bezzle can provide
1010979;1423270875;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: Ah, that again.
1010980;1423270880;BingoBoingo;fxd
1010981;1423270925;mircea_popescu;dude i really like this qntra thing. about 1/3 of what i hated about the obsolete press were mistakes. being able to go hey x, Y! makes me all fucking warm and fuzzy inside.
1010982;1423270967;BingoBoingo;lol
1010983;1423270971;kakobrekla;well personalized news is personalized, doh
1010984;1423270994;*;BingoBoingo just pines for the day breech will be the correct version more often on qntra.
1010985;1423270997;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: http://www.corbisimages.com/images/Corbis-BK002009.jpg?size=67&uid=a019bd8c-0800-4484-9de2-d5a9a6551b15 << breech
1010986;1423270998;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1xDD3js )
1010987;1423271010;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22313 @ 0.00040554 = 9.0488 BTC [+]
1010988;1423271026;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: That's a nice one
1010989;1423271071;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 171057 @ 0.00040832 = 69.846 BTC [+] {4} 
1010990;1423271112;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: turbotax article << see also last night's thread re: identity fraud in usa.
1010991;1423271132;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: It's what inspired taking the piece this direction
1010992;1423271174;BingoBoingo;On day the phenomenon is in the logs getting discussed, the next it's the angle used to disect a fraud in the news.
1010993;1423271210;asciilifeform;aha
1010994;1423271212;mircea_popescu;win-win as they say.
1010995;1423271247;BingoBoingo;Reading informs writing. Scholarship 101
1010996;1423271275;the_scourge;asciilifeform: where would you recommend someone starting with lispy languages?
1010997;1423271286;BingoBoingo;brb, going on a bender this weekend.
1010998;1423271331;asciilifeform;the_scourge: depends on your objective
1010999;1423271396;the_scourge;first is to be able to continue (at least for a while) doing my consulting without shooting myself from boredome
1011000;1423271398;cazalla;;;later tell bingoboingo fixed 2 spelling mistakes last paragraph
1011001;1423271398;gribble;The operation succeeded.
1011002;1423271485;the_scourge;that mark tarver article really resonated with me. that pretty much described me to a T.. and still does. it's actually why i ended up doing non-STEM degrees: there is no lack of boredom when you're lost in a library
1011003;1423271500;the_scourge;second, i'm REALLY REALLY interested in lisp machines
1011004;1423271548;the_scourge;so, something minimal i guess? scheme is used for embedded stuff i've seen. guile is interesting just 'cause the gnu nix clone uses it
1011005;1423271549;asciilifeform;-which- lisp machine ?
1011006;1423271574;the_scourge;personally i'm interested in one that hasn't been made yet
1011007;1423271638;mircea_popescu;... you want to code for a machine that doesn't exist ?!
1011008;1423271655;asciilifeform;the_scourge: get peter kogge's book, then
1011009;1423271662;asciilifeform;the_scourge: none of the others will be of much help.
1011010;1423271751;the_scourge;asciilifeform: thanks. historically all i know about is really the AI lab stuff. i went through a phase where i read the jargon book and some more 'original' sources about the AI labs. but this was almost 20 years ago
1011011;1423271893;the_scourge;asciilifeform: Architecture of Symbolic Computers < this is the one?
1011012;1423272008;asciilifeform;it.
1011013;1423272047;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 163941 @ 0.00041127 = 67.424 BTC [+] {2} 
1011014;1423272581;*;asciilifeform lived in free-standing bldg since may, and only now thought to put it to proper use: plug in subwoofer & setting to max.
1011015;1423272832;the_scourge;same thing here. i love playing the piano as loud as possible :D
1011016;1423272866;the_scourge;other than 2 houses across the road, there are no neighbors for over 6 miles in all directions
1011017;1423272909;*;the_scourge is thinking perhaps he could slowly transition his consulting to clojure development and keep his existing clients
1011018;1423272985;trinque;glorious clojure
1011019;1423272996;*;asciilifeform not a fan
1011020;1423273018;trinque;asciilifeform: too much "magic under hood" as you said?
1011021;1423273023;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 54212 @ 0.00041243 = 22.3587 BTC [+] {2} 
1011022;1423273050;asciilifeform;trinque: if you actually care, http://www.loper-os.org/?p=42 and http://www.loper-os.org/?p=374
1011023;1423273052;assbot;Loper OS » Thumbs Down for Clojure ... ( http://bit.ly/1Do48hD )
1011024;1423273054;assbot;Loper OS » Of Weighty Matters, or Thumbs Still Down for Clojure. ... ( http://bit.ly/1Do46pS )
1011025;1423273068;asciilifeform;trinque: the former was, until recently (and possibly now) among the top 'google' hits for the subject.
1011026;1423273081;trinque;"I find Clojure revolting.
1011027;1423273082;trinque;"
1011028;1423273085;trinque;dis gon be gud
1011029;1423273123;asciilifeform;if reading the comments, skip straight to http://www.loper-os.org/?p=42&cpage=2#comment-3383
1011030;1423273125;assbot;Loper OS » Thumbs Down for Clojure ... ( http://bit.ly/1Do4lkZ )
1011031;1423273176;asciilifeform;short version: 'clojure' is to, say, 'common lisp', as 'ripple' is to bitcoin.
1011032;1423273194;asciilifeform;a bauble pushed by unrepentantly lying chumpatronicists.
1011033;1423273210;asciilifeform;it was actually my first exposure to that kind of thing.
1011034;1423273234;trinque;read both, you're right
1011035;1423273240;asciilifeform;you know, the folks who walk in with a turd and explain to you that it's 'just the same' as a sausage, but 'more up with the times'
1011036;1423273244;trinque;what I end up using has a lot to do with "what can I fart a website out in"
1011037;1423273249;trinque;at least in daily work
1011038;1423273267;trinque;I've considered trying just sbcl on one side and parenscript on the other
1011039;1423273276;trinque;but yeah, sausage... turd...
1011040;1423273290;asciilifeform;parenscript is just a lib for any ordinary cl
1011041;1423273349;asciilifeform;this whole 'www' thing never made sense to me. if you can open a socket, you can crap out html
1011042;1423273394;asciilifeform;so it alone can't possibly justify the use of turdlangs.
1011043;1423273408;trinque;just depends on how one earns daily bread
1011044;1423273431;asciilifeform;why does the socket have to be opened using $turdlang ?
1011045;1423273459;the_scourge;asciilifeform: did you ever use a genera machine?
1011046;1423273463;trinque;what I'd like is a situation where I'm writing the same language in both a browser and on the server
1011047;1423273473;asciilifeform;the_scourge: certainly.
1011048;1423273477;asciilifeform;!s symbolics 3620
1011049;1423273478;assbot;9 results for 'symbolics 3620' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=symbolics+3620
1011050;1423273481;asciilifeform;!s opengenera
1011051;1423273481;assbot;7 results for 'opengenera' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=opengenera
1011052;1423273484;trinque;I've seen clojure/clojurescript, cl/parenscript, haskell/fey (and a few others)
1011053;1423273500;asciilifeform;trinque: this leads to using $retardlang on server end
1011054;1423273513;trinque;sure, hail satan and pass the node
1011055;1423273515;*;the_scourge goes to find out what is opengenera and where has it been hiding
1011056;1423273526;asciilifeform;the_scourge: it's been hiding in northern virginia.
1011057;1423273535;trinque;my career started during web 2.0 :p
1011058;1423273540;asciilifeform;and a small piece in cambridge, ma
1011059;1423273559;asciilifeform;the_scourge: don't be fooled by the word 'open'
1011060;1423273592;trinque;asciilifeform: does cl fall under $retardlang too?
1011061;1423273601;trinque;ye gods, no firm ground to stand upon
1011062;1423273611;asciilifeform;trinque: how do you propose to have the browser end run cl?
1011063;1423273625;trinque;doesn't the parenscript compiler eat cl and poop js?
1011064;1423273651;asciilifeform;trinque: so you're actually using js. you will notice this, because the cl subset that can be thus eaten/shat is microscopic
1011065;1423273658;trinque;ah
1011066;1423273670;trinque;asciilifeform: same situation as reaching out to Java in clojure then
1011067;1423273688;asciilifeform;the_scourge: the 'open' in 'opengenera' is an archaic 1980s usg-ism. it simply refers to the fact that a product features industry-standard protocols like tcp/ip and does not require you to buy the entire universe you live in from one particular vendor.
1011068;1423273693;*;the_scourge is back, dissapointed
1011069;1423273717;the_scourge;so it's just genera 2.0?
1011070;1423273718;asciilifeform;has nothing whatsoever to do with source being publicly available, or the product being distributed free of charge
1011071;1423273749;asciilifeform;technically symbolics had no name for their os until opengenera was put on the market.
1011072;1423273752;*;the_scourge did find this: https://github.com/ynniv/opengenera while he was gone. seems worth of bookmarking for later
1011073;1423273754;assbot;ynniv/opengenera · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1KzmA77 )
1011074;1423273777;the_scourge;oh, i thought it was just called genera
1011075;1423273793;asciilifeform;the_scourge: that's merely a script for setting up the unofficial amd64 binary to run under a modern linux.
1011076;1423273809;asciilifeform;the binary is a w4r3z blob, and occasionally distributed with the pirated source.
1011077;1423273817;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 70158 @ 0.00041298 = 28.9739 BTC [+]
1011078;1423273834;*;trinque has very little idea where to start in terms of choosing a sane programming environment with which to make bezzlars
1011079;1423273834;asciilifeform;the source - not for the amd64 blob.
1011080;1423273842;asciilifeform;but for the original os
1011081;1423273854;asciilifeform;there is no public source for opengenera (either for dec alpha or amd64)
1011082;1423273863;asciilifeform;nor is it included with a purchase.
1011083;1423273866;the_scourge;what do they charge for a copy
1011084;1423273875;asciilifeform;when i bought - $5k usd.
1011085;1423273880;asciilifeform;call, ask.
1011086;1423273903;the_scourge;just when i was starting to think esr and rms didn't have a point. maybe they did
1011087;1423273914;asciilifeform;the source for the dec/amd64 emulator is not sold.
1011088;1423273922;the_scourge;exactly
1011089;1423273944;asciilifeform;the_scourge: in the days of rms, symbolics corp. sold machines. the cheapest started at about the cost of a single-propeller airplane.
1011090;1423273957;asciilifeform;5k in modern american money is pocket change in comparison.
1011091;1423273977;the_scourge;actually i take it back, the problems here were probably not market-based, but more cultural (and lack of appropriate customers)
1011092;1423274022;the_scourge;asciilifeform: i'm not saying it's exorbant - just expressing dissapointment
1011093;1423274040;*;trinque grows to suspect that there is not a programming environment asciilifeform likes
1011094;1423274071;the_scourge;trinque: he like vimscript. a lot! :)
1011095;1423274075;trinque;lol
1011096;1423274083;asciilifeform;wat
1011097;1423274097;*;asciilifeform has never seen 'vimscript'
1011098;1423274103;trinque;tis butt
1011099;1423274161;trinque;little imperative scripty guy, nothing special
1011100;1423274182;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 177500 @ 0.00041335 = 73.3696 BTC [+] {4} 
1011101;1423274206;trinque;I'd put more money on asciilifeform being an emacs guy, but not because he likes emacs
1011102;1423274214;asciilifeform;no need to guess
1011103;1423274222;asciilifeform;it's all in the logs.
1011104;1423274256;the_scourge;asciilifeform: http://www.loper-os.org/?p=69 < broken link
1011105;1423274258;assbot;Loper OS » Where Lisp Fails: at Turning People into Fungible Cogs. ... ( http://bit.ly/1Kznq3N )
1011106;1423274264;the_scourge;this works: https://web.archive.org/web/20080223010634/http://www.eng.uwaterloo.ca/~ejones/writing/systemsresearch.html
1011107;1423274275;asciilifeform;the_scourge: loads fine.
1011108;1423274285;asciilifeform;aha pike's
1011109;1423274288;the_scourge;no, the link to .. yah
1011110;1423274353;asciilifeform;when i explain to folks why i dislike programming on available systems, i sometimes use example that it is rather like being a fellow who likes gardening, but there was a thermonuclear war not long ago, and you gotta sift the soil with sapper's spade in one hand, geiger in the other, and there won't be much sunlight to be had either.
1011111;1423274392;kakobrekla;!b 1
1011112;1423274392;assbot;Last 1 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/3MXCMW1.txt )
1011113;1423274431;trinque;http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=from%3Aasciilifeform+emacs << some lols in here
1011114;1423274432;assbot;36 results for 'from:asciilifeform emacs' - #bitcoin-assets search
1011115;1423274458;trinque;I recently mapped my f keys to load projects in emacs and appropriate window layouts in stumpwm
1011116;1423274460;trinque;rules.
1011117;1423274506;the_scourge;asciilifeform: can i get a blow by blow on what historical event was this allegorical thermonuclear war?
1011118;1423274514;asciilifeform;the_scourge: no.
1011119;1423274533;asciilifeform;it would be either a crock of shit, or book-length
1011120;1423274533;trinque;the_scourge: he already blogged it all
1011121;1423274541;the_scourge;"I estimate that 90-95% of the work in Plan 9 was directly or indirectly to honor externally imposed standards." < wow that is really sad... and ... is there a solution?
1011122;1423274579;asciilifeform;the_scourge: yes, there is.
1011123;1423274581;asciilifeform;!s year zero
1011124;1423274583;assbot;28 results for 'year zero' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=year+zero
1011125;1423274763;the_scourge;needs quotes :) looking now
1011126;1423274889;the_scourge;soviet open hardware? wut really?
1011127;1423274945;the_scourge;!s gossip
1011128;1423274946;assbot;49 results for 'gossip' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=gossip
1011129;1423274953;asciilifeform;'more things in heaven and earth... than are dreamt of in your philosophy.'
1011130;1423274999;the_scourge;and that search needs a d at the end ^ (for anyone following along at home)
1011131;1423275050;the_scourge;asciilifeform: i don't know what 'things' are, and i don't know what philosophy means
1011132;1423275062;the_scourge;*'philosophy'
1011133;1423275108;asciilifeform;if you recognize neither the words, nor where they apply here, i'm powerless to help.
1011134;1423275117;the_scourge;is gossipd this psycd-like symetrically encrypted UDP IM protocol?
1011135;1423275160;asciilifeform;'year zero' simply refers to a reset, where you forget that a given field even has a history (except as an encyclopaedia of what not to do.)
1011136;1423275190;the_scourge;but then doesn't it ruin the excercise?
1011137;1423275230;the_scourge;intuition is destroyed. creativity ruined. because we're tyring so hard to not do what we are misconceited as what went wrong?
1011138;1423275283;the_scourge;speaking of greenfield, what was the reason for greenfielding a re-implementation of psycd? (assuming gossipd has already been written)
1011139;1423275284;asciilifeform;what exercise.
1011140;1423275317;asciilifeform;the_scourge: because the similarity is superficial.
1011141;1423275413;asciilifeform;psycd is a cancerous monstrosity.
1011142;1423275452;the_scourge;well it depends on which implementation you're speaking of
1011143;1423275458;asciilifeform;any and all.
1011144;1423275466;the_scourge;there are a dozen i think. 2 of them named psycd
1011145;1423275493;asciilifeform;the name normally refers to the ancient thing based on 'gnunet'.
1011146;1423275499;the_scourge;you sound confident. what if i told you there was a psyc daemon implemented in 15 lines of common lisp? :)
1011147;1423275507;asciilifeform;post.
1011148;1423275533;asciilifeform;the 15 lines also contain rsa?
1011149;1423275540;asciilifeform;the socket handler?
1011150;1423275558;asciilifeform;the_scourge: bullshit is not welcome in #b-a.
1011151;1423275606;the_scourge;no, sorry i wasn't bullshitting. i'm just trying to point out implementation vs architecture
1011152;1423275639;the_scourge;'Emacs actually comes with a builting Emacs Aptitude Test. Do you remap your keyboard or the Emacs keybindings before the chords and sequences it comes with by default have wreaked havoc with your hands? If you do not do anything to make Emacs more convenient for yourself, you may not have the prerequisite aptitude to use it productive.' (naggum, who else. http://www.xach.com/na < funny, that's one of the reason i've avoided
1011153;1423275640;assbot;404 Not Found ... ( http://bit.ly/1KzpEAa )
1011154;1423275696;the_scourge;i assumed it was poor design and useless academics who'd never had to do a hard day's work in their lives. perhaps it is a shit test?
1011155;1423275729;asciilifeform;the_scourge: poor design for folks used to ibm's (yes, originally their) traditional key chords.
1011156;1423275774;asciilifeform;yes, it is possible to bolt them onto emacs. but few people do.
1011157;1423275824;trinque;evil mode + leader bindings
1011158;1423275826;trinque;that's the stuff
1011159;1423275831;the_scourge;well i'm paying myself paternity leave coming up soon so i'll learn emacs. haven't had a chance for a bit of time in a while
1011160;1423275833;asciilifeform;most folks who lack the mental flexibility to relearn five or six key commands, would not benefit from emacs, and (if they are aware of its existence at all) - know it. and avoid.
1011161;1423275837;trinque;space as leader has done wonders for my hands
1011162;1423275871;the_scourge;trinque: thanks i'll try that
1011163;1423275886;trinque;<esc> <space> f -> C-x C-f
1011164;1423275891;trinque;I also have esc as right alt
1011165;1423275900;trinque;easily thumb-pressed on this keyboard
1011166;1423275924;the_scourge;asciilifeform: i get remapping caps and ctrl, but it still means you're having to combine keystrokes which is always painful to watch
1011167;1423275934;trinque;chords really suck
1011168;1423275945;asciilifeform;painful to watch << such as... ?
1011169;1423275972;the_scourge;as opposed to combinations which are clearly natural. they are idiomatic so the brain groks them more, and the fingers do them easier
1011170;1423276000;the_scourge;any time you are holding down one key and pressing another is painful. even the shift is an example of this
1011171;1423276011;the_scourge;i've noticed you don't capitalize a lot of the time
1011172;1423276012;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=30-08-2014#816658
1011173;1423276012;assbot;Logged on 30-08-2014 22:56:02; asciilifeform: 'the only 'intuitive' interface is the tit - everything after that is learned.'
1011174;1423276013;the_scourge;no one does
1011175;1423276015;the_scourge;ever.
1011176;1423276020;the_scourge;because, it's painful
1011177;1423276032;asciilifeform;no.
1011178;1423276034;asciilifeform;because slow.
1011179;1423276051;the_scourge;you type all the letters in your words
1011180;1423276082;the_scourge;never seen you say 'cause or 'c u later'
1011181;1423276085;trinque;leader bindings are as fast as you type
1011182;1423276086;the_scourge;er, whatever
1011183;1423276091;trinque;and faster than chords because no stretch to the modifier
1011184;1423276122;the_scourge;trinque: yes, i agree
1011185;1423276123;asciilifeform;if you have healthy hands, decent input devices, it is possible to do such surprising things as speaking in complete words.
1011186;1423276140;the_scourge;asciilifeform: which proves my point
1011187;1423276158;asciilifeform;what was the point?
1011188;1423276160;the_scourge;complete words = idioms. leaders. sequences.
1011189;1423276168;the_scourge;they are not painful
1011190;1423276181;asciilifeform;that chords are intrinsically unhealthy somehow?
1011191;1423276225;the_scourge;well i've seen a lot of gnarled old hands. all of them told me it was chording that did it
1011192;1423276236;asciilifeform;see naggum's observation.
1011193;1423276269;the_scourge;yes, these were people who had always had it remapped
1011194;1423276277;asciilifeform;ipso facto poorly.
1011195;1423276286;trinque;meh bindings are pretty personal
1011196;1423276289;trinque;who cares if it works
1011197;1423276295;asciilifeform;or rather, this is not unlike the observation that everybody at the cemetary is there 'because' they breathed air.
1011198;1423276300;asciilifeform;yes, technically - they are.
1011199;1423276365;the_scourge;bindings are a really personal thing. i just hope that i can learn emacs and manage to use leaders for everything, that's all :)
1011200;1423276379;trinque;nubbins' next book will be one of asciilifeform's koans
1011201;1423276587;the_scourge;i need to head off... this weekend i'm going to look into the parallella. i'm curious if a symbolics machine could be implemented in it's FPGA
1011202;1423276717;trinque;the_scourge: cya
1011203;1423276719;asciilifeform;!rate the_scourge -2 dear usg, please send better clowns; the cheap ones are growing tiresome.
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1011206;1423276747;assbot;Successfully updated the rating for the_scourge from 1 to -2 with note: dear usg, please send better clowns; the cheap ones are growing tiresome.
1011207;1423276782;asciilifeform;^ and the_scourge, don't bother pm-ing. killfiled.
1011208;1423276783;*;danielpbarron had a similar feeling
1011209;1423276836;asciilifeform;i hope they send him off to wherever they demoted ninjashogun to.
1011210;1423276840;trinque;asciilifeform: think he's reading logs and fishing?
1011211;1423276842;asciilifeform;!down the_scourge
1011212;1423276860;asciilifeform;trinque: i suppose anyone here who hasn't killfiled, will learn the answer.
1011213;1423276866;asciilifeform;i - can't be bothered.
1011214;1423276884;mircea_popescu;well, job's a job. back in whatever on a new one.
1011215;1423276915;asciilifeform;their 'watercooler' conversations must be golden.
1011216;1423277001;asciilifeform;the last straw was the bugger 'shannonizing' my www. i wonder if there's some 'person' that this genuinely works on.
1011217;1423277020;asciilifeform;'omg1111!!111 i am so interested in xxxxxxxx tell me moar'
1011218;1423277045;asciilifeform;note to future stooges, moles: take some actual care to be distinguishable from comment spam on our www sites
1011219;1423277084;*;mircea_popescu idly wonders what'd a world look like where gavinesque insanities actually made sense. "have everyone's coffee purchases validated by everyone and preserved forever".
1011220;1423277084;asciilifeform;interesting idiots are sometimes (temporarily) tolerated. tedious idiots - never.
1011221;1423277101;mircea_popescu;yottabytes all over, but perhaps something like nock (in principle, not what was proposed) ?
1011222;1423277109;trinque;I try to only ask a few stupid questions a day :P
1011223;1423277122;asciilifeform;even the nock stack posited local caching for trivialities
1011224;1423277129;asciilifeform;rather than a global record of every 1+1.
1011225;1423277135;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform but imagine data storage literally was not an issue.
1011226;1423277157;asciilifeform;o(n) addition was also 'not an issue'
1011227;1423277157;mircea_popescu;and global record of 1+1 was trivial. perhaps on a machine much akin to physical reality : the result of mixing milk and water is stored for everyone to see - they need but look
1011228;1423277166;mircea_popescu;there's of course a finite number of photons that saw it, but w/e man.
1011229;1423277176;asciilifeform;global record in the sense of every instance
1011230;1423277178;mircea_popescu;interesting how qm actually clips the graph there huh.
1011231;1423277188;asciilifeform;!s hashlife
1011232;1423277190;assbot;4 results for 'hashlife' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=hashlife
1011233;1423277197;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform technically speaking, the milk and water mixing IS recorded in ever yinstance.
1011234;1423277220;asciilifeform;^ compression of spacetime via 'memoization'. this is more or less how one would implement toy universes.
1011235;1423277255;mircea_popescu;trinque i think the concern is to be approached on two lines, empirically. line 1) what % of queries constitute powerplays and b) what % of queries result in interesting education that a noob reading logs would benefit from.
1011236;1423277264;asciilifeform;there was even an old sf story which posited that various microscopic physical limit phenomena result from the emulator shaving cycles in this manner.
1011237;1423277272;mircea_popescu;as 1 goes up and 2 goes down there's at some critical point after which a man is taking his voice in his hands.
1011238;1423277314;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform possibly. in this sense, the ultimate engine/life form would be one that lives somehow off the shaving.
1011239;1423277328;asciilifeform;like the bank thief who pockets rounding errors.
1011240;1423277331;trinque;mircea_popescu: hard to get taught anything if you're fighting the teacher
1011241;1423277341;trinque;well, taught what you're after
1011242;1423277349;asciilifeform;(incidentally, american banks learned from the 'salami' case and now do it SOP.)
1011243;1423277355;mircea_popescu;ayup
1011244;1423277369;trinque;if I ever make it out of the gravity well I'd love to get an actual education.
1011245;1423277424;mircea_popescu;actually i'm kinda half curious how many us based conf attendants discover at the border that the newly expanded tsa doth not agree their passport holds any value.
1011246;1423277444;*;asciilifeform was actually rather surprised to be let out last time
1011247;1423277475;trinque;my grandfather still gets hassled at the border for "american party" involvement back in the day
1011248;1423277503;mircea_popescu;danielpbarron "You can throw out the packaging and manual; we won't be needing those." << gotta love the justifiable pride the most serene republic's flag elates out of people.
1011249;1423277537;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24452 @ 0.0004145 = 10.1354 BTC [+]
1011250;1423277715;danielpbarron;i should add more stuff like that so it isn't all command line copy paste
1011251;1423277784;asciilifeform;danielpbarron: your 'pogo' booted from external devices without replacing uboot ?
1011252;1423277788;asciilifeform;danielpbarron: mine - did not
1011253;1423277942;danielpbarron;i followed the instructions on the archlinux page for pogo and it worked
1011254;1423277957;danielpbarron;'uboot' does not ring a bell
1011255;1423277982;asciilifeform;danielpbarron: when thing powers up, it boots from the eeprom
1011256;1423278003;asciilifeform;there is a boot partition there, containing an ancient version of 'uboot'
1011257;1423278016;asciilifeform;(a kind of programmable bootloader, similar to 'lilo')
1011258;1423278060;asciilifeform;the unit i have, had to be reflashed with a modern build of this, to boot from anywhere other than the kernel and root partitions in eeprom
1011259;1423278086;danielpbarron;hm, mine was so easy to do i felt weird re-writing instructions for it
1011260;1423278087;asciilifeform;^ which can be rewritten easily
1011261;1423278154;danielpbarron;i used brand new unused hard drives.. is it possible that has anything to do with it?
1011262;1423278189;asciilifeform;danielpbarron: nope
1011263;1423278200;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform but uboot is resident on the drive ?
1011264;1423278202;asciilifeform;danielpbarron: you installed arch to the drive and booted to it, didntcha
1011265;1423278209;mircea_popescu;oh
1011266;1423278211;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: uboot is resident in the 128mb eeprom
1011267;1423278213;asciilifeform;on pogo
1011268;1423278222;asciilifeform;followed by a partition holding kernel
1011269;1423278228;asciilifeform;followed by a similarly sized empty one
1011270;1423278230;mircea_popescu;yeh he booted the drive. did you danielpbarron ?
1011271;1423278230;asciilifeform;followed by root
1011272;1423278251;asciilifeform;the root fs is a 'ubifs'
1011273;1423278271;asciilifeform;(yet another fs optimized for fragile 'flash')
1011274;1423278308;asciilifeform;dev:    size   erasesize  name
1011275;1423278308;asciilifeform;mtd0: 00200000 00020000 "u-boot"
1011276;1423278308;asciilifeform;mtd1: 00300000 00020000 "uImage"
1011277;1423278308;asciilifeform;mtd2: 00300000 00020000 "uImage2"
1011278;1423278308;asciilifeform;mtd3: 00800000 00020000 "failsafe"
1011279;1423278310;asciilifeform;mtd4: 07000000 00020000 "root"
1011280;1423278314;asciilifeform;^ layout
1011281;1423278317;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform: trinque: how do you propose to have the browser end run cl? << haha this i wanna see. clonqueror.
1011282;1423278329;trinque;:( lol
1011283;1423278342;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: the cl rewrite of emacs, 'climacs', was almost usable
1011284;1423278345;trinque;I-I just want to swim in a lake not filled with shit!
1011285;1423278350;danielpbarron;the arch install occured on the pogo, if that's what you mean
1011286;1423278354;trinque;but everything around me is a superfund site
1011287;1423278359;asciilifeform;danielpbarron: yes, but it was able to boot from it after.
1011288;1423278369;asciilifeform;danielpbarron: so possibly you got a slightly more recent fw than i
1011289;1423278384;mircea_popescu;any way to check fw vers ? other than popping unit ?
1011290;1423278388;danielpbarron;yeah it rebooted with no extra work needed
1011291;1423278409;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: when the thing warms up, it dumps uboot ver. to the serial console
1011292;1423278420;mircea_popescu;danielpbarron can oyu check an report ?
1011293;1423278433;asciilifeform;other than that, one can take a snapshot: dd if=/dev/mtd0 of=turd.bin
1011294;1423278442;asciilifeform;and throw in favourite hexeditor
1011295;1423278445;danielpbarron;one of the steps in the arch install might have done something to the built in flash; i'm not sure to be honest
1011296;1423278452;danielpbarron;it had me download a script and run it
1011297;1423278457;asciilifeform;wai wat!?!!
1011298;1423278460;*;asciilifeform did no such thing
1011299;1423278472;asciilifeform;so you did reflash. with hell knows what. lol
1011300;1423278526;asciilifeform;dollars to doughnuts, danielpbarron had a normal pogo
1011301;1423278554;mircea_popescu;what is the arch install and how did it end up imported in here ?
1011302;1423278573;danielpbarron;when i searched the log for pogo, i found that linked
1011303;1423278574;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: there was a public set of instructions for installing 'archlinux' for arm onto 'pogo'.
1011304;1423278589;asciilifeform;i used the disk image from it
1011305;1423278592;danielpbarron;i'm happy to experiment with alternatives
1011306;1423278593;mircea_popescu;aha
1011307;1423278612;asciilifeform;one ends up with a mindbogglingly-heavy ubuntu-style thing, complete with 'systemd'
1011308;1423278613;mircea_popescu;okies, so basically he found a shortcut ?
1011309;1423278618;asciilifeform;aha
1011310;1423278623;danielpbarron;ya
1011311;1423278627;asciilifeform;bash script that downloads and flashes in somebody's uboot
1011312;1423278630;mircea_popescu;a shortcut through the mud
1011313;1423278638;*;asciilifeform built the uboot from public sources
1011314;1423278646;asciilifeform;using same crosscompiler as for everything else
1011315;1423278652;mircea_popescu;danielpbarron for the sake of sanity, can you proceed closer to asciilifeform's original ?
1011316;1423278657;danielpbarron;yes
1011317;1423278660;mircea_popescu;nothing wrong with shortcuts in principle, but this one hurts.
1011318;1423278663;asciilifeform;who could even imagine, an 800K bootloader!
1011319;1423278669;asciilifeform;there's a complete shell in there
1011320;1423278672;asciilifeform;and tcp/ip stack...
1011321;1423278698;asciilifeform;helps in resurrecting a totally b0rk3d machine, yes
1011322;1423278710;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform i had some toast earlier, the toaster:~$ said :L)
1011323;1423278711;asciilifeform;(you can pump in a fresh kernel with tftp)
1011324;1423278768;asciilifeform;http://www.denx.de/wiki/U-Boot
1011325;1423278770;assbot;  WebHome < U-Boot < DENX ... ( http://bit.ly/1ENeXeJ )
1011326;1423278770;asciilifeform;^ it
1011327;1423278848;asciilifeform;used in perhaps 90% of the embedded net junk on the planet
1011328;1423278864;mircea_popescu;http://trilema.com/2015/gerald-davis-is-wrong-heres-why/#comment-112033 << and the perennial question.
1011329;1423278865;assbot;Gerald Davis is wrong. Here's why. pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.  ... ( http://bit.ly/1ENf3mx )
1011330;1423278873;asciilifeform;imho in the final turd we nuke it
1011331;1423278880;asciilifeform;just have the thing load a straight linux kernel
1011332;1423278940;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 124711 @ 0.00041574 = 51.8474 BTC [+] {2} 
1011333;1423278944;mircea_popescu;"psycd is currently being refactored into a GNUnet service to run secushare on. The former psycd code is quite interesting, but currently unmaintained. "
1011334;1423278949;mircea_popescu;am i a bad person for lulzing at this ?
1011335;1423278949;mod6;i just passed block 168,001
1011336;1423278957;mircea_popescu;mod6 took the whole day ?!
1011337;1423278960;mod6;am now on block 168,011
1011338;1423278966;mod6;ah, na.
1011339;1423278972;mircea_popescu;hm
1011340;1423278974;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: it was an attempt at something like tor.
1011341;1423278975;mod6;i just got a chance to work on it again here now.
1011342;1423278981;mircea_popescu;any idea what the hook was ?
1011343;1423278983;mod6;i upgraded openssl
1011344;1423278989;mircea_popescu;o.O
1011345;1423278992;mircea_popescu;from what to what ?
1011346;1423278998;mod6;root@debian-test:~# openssl version -a
1011347;1423278999;mod6;OpenSSL 1.0.1g 7 Apr 2014
1011348;1423279005;mod6;from version...
1011349;1423279005;*;asciilifeform picked a very arbitrary openssl
1011350;1423279030;mod6;OpenSSL 0.9.8o
1011351;1423279044;mod6;which was from the orig debian 6 iirc
1011352;1423279063;mircea_popescu;uh that's like 2010 ?!
1011353;1423279083;mircea_popescu;2009 even ?
1011354;1423279086;mod6;yeah.
1011355;1423279123;mircea_popescu;sooooo... on account of bitcoind recompiled with new openssl, actual bitcoind compiled with actual openssl as of 2009 does not pass blocks in 2011
1011356;1423279126;mod6;it's old. this is what was included with ben's script to configure deb6.
1011357;1423279132;mircea_popescu;whereas if you compile itwith more 2011 ish openssl itdoes ?
1011358;1423279147;mircea_popescu;this is pretty massive if true. mod6 do you feel like testing for this insanity specifically ?
1011359;1423279165;*;asciilifeform did not test with anything other than the shortly post-heartbleed turdball specified in 'portatronic'
1011360;1423279165;mod6;so far. it's really weird still though, because i wasn't having this problem before. and we've always been using an old ssl.
1011361;1423279187;mircea_popescu;might be a bug specific to the 9.8o but then that doesn't explain how all the others worked
1011362;1423279203;asciilifeform;actually
1011363;1423279204;asciilifeform;idea
1011364;1423279205;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform i am willing to bet there are over 1kbugs in this thing. all distinct.
1011365;1423279214;asciilifeform;let's rip out openssl in the simplest way
1011366;1423279222;asciilifeform;roll in the five or six pieces that are actually used.
1011367;1423279233;asciilifeform;so, for example, we can see what they are.
1011368;1423279237;asciilifeform;(with naked eye)
1011369;1423279240;mod6;http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=KgQwrzYM
1011370;1423279241;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1ENfL3p )
1011371;1423279245;asciilifeform;and then send them to hell
1011372;1423279248;asciilifeform;and substitute in sanity.
1011373;1423279259;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform can you be specific rather than rhetoric ? i dun follow
1011374;1423279266;asciilifeform;specifically,
1011375;1423279268;mod6;so thats ^^^ my version of openssl on my aws instance, and i've sync'd successfully at lesat a dozen times in the last 4 months on there
1011376;1423279277;asciilifeform;we snip out the #include <openssl/......>
1011377;1423279284;mircea_popescu;sigs won't verify.
1011378;1423279292;asciilifeform;that's step 1
1011379;1423279304;mircea_popescu;oh oh oh i see
1011380;1423279308;asciilifeform;step 2 is crypto.cpp/h
1011381;1423279310;mircea_popescu;this is actually a worthy plan.
1011382;1423279314;mod6;and now wedges for some crazy reason.  now I'm gonna upgrade to 1.0.1g there as well (just upgraded my deb6 on vbox vm to start with) and try to pass the wedge too.
1011383;1423279315;asciilifeform;where the missing routines are then placed.
1011384;1423279335;mircea_popescu;course also what the wunderbar vc boys are trying to do with their NOVEL inmplemetnation
1011385;1423279343;mircea_popescu;you recall, the one that's so well tested apud gmaxwel
1011386;1423279348;asciilifeform;i must confess
1011387;1423279358;asciilifeform;that i was unable to make myself read the whole thing
1011388;1423279364;mircea_popescu;openssl ?
1011389;1423279371;asciilifeform;gavin's 0.10
1011390;1423279373;mircea_popescu;oh
1011391;1423279378;mircea_popescu;nono, this is planned. lemme fish it out
1011392;1423279380;asciilifeform;dove in once or twice to fish out the orphanage burn thing
1011393;1423279398;asciilifeform;which had to be mutilated in six different ways to bolt onto 0.5.3
1011394;1423279403;mircea_popescu;https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/2rrxq7/on_why_010s_release_notes_say_we_have_reason_to < lulzy bits.
1011395;1423279406;assbot;On why 0.10's release notes say "we have reason to believe that libsecp256k1 is better tested and more thoroughly reviewed than the implementation in OpenSSL" : Bitcoin ... ( http://bit.ly/1xEmxjb )
1011396;1423279476;mod6;<+mircea_popescu> this is pretty massive if true. mod6 do you feel like testing for this insanity specifically ? << yes, im sure that i'll dig into this further
1011397;1423279549;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=30-08-2014#816658 << actually this is pretty good a point, seeing how the tit actually goes INTO the face.
1011398;1423279549;assbot;Logged on 30-08-2014 22:56:02; asciilifeform: 'the only 'intuitive' interface is the tit - everything after that is learned.'
1011399;1423279566;mircea_popescu;a true interface.
1011400;1423279685;trinque;!b 2
1011401;1423279686;assbot;Last 2 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/0TP2YPT.txt )
1011402;1423279704;mircea_popescu;the one truely thing i deeply regret from 2014
1011403;1423279713;mircea_popescu;is how that spammer guy killed qntra and then bitcoin-assets.
1011404;1423279720;mircea_popescu;i used to like dropping in on them now and again.
1011405;1423279740;asciilifeform;l0l
1011406;1423279781;mircea_popescu;such is the fate of right wing movements tho, bereft of means and resources as they are.
1011407;1423279798;mod6;<+asciilifeform> roll in the five or six pieces that are actually used. << I want to collect some more data on this issue. But I'm open to discussing this option going forward.
1011408;1423279821;asciilifeform;mod6: simple algorithm: comment out the #includes
1011409;1423279827;mircea_popescu;mod6 this issue is critical because it's easily the squishiest point of the whole protocol.
1011410;1423279830;asciilifeform;mod6: and then add the routines back in until the thing builds again
1011411;1423279839;asciilifeform;however
1011412;1423279841;mircea_popescu;why the fuck we're importing from a different project - and THAT one in particular is anyone's guess
1011413;1423279847;asciilifeform;you may end up pulling in much of the openssl turd in the process
1011414;1423279851;asciilifeform;!s the spittoon
1011415;1423279852;assbot;9 results for 'the spittoon' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=the+spittoon
1011416;1423279860;mircea_popescu;and a sad testament to what you get stuck with if , like satoshi, have to jackbuild a house
1011417;1423280052;asciilifeform;is there a particular reason
1011418;1423280055;asciilifeform;why the wallet is still in ?
1011419;1423280103;mircea_popescu;in what ?
1011420;1423280109;asciilifeform;therealbitcoin.
1011421;1423280209;mircea_popescu;the reference implementation ?
1011422;1423280214;mircea_popescu;how do you plan to use it w/o a wallet ?
1011423;1423280216;asciilifeform;i suppose that'd be why
1011424;1423280219;asciilifeform;hm.
1011425;1423280247;mircea_popescu;" My standard of comparison for any technology will always be everything previously achieved by mankind, rather than what is available on the market today."
1011426;1423280251;mircea_popescu;this much is a solid approach.
1011427;1423280276;mod6;asciilifeform: One school of thought is to take the wallet, and place it outside of the R.I. as a seperate entity.
1011428;1423280286;mircea_popescu;"do not tell me of what seems acceptable as an idea to pudgy people driving on the interstate towards connecticut. i do not care."
1011429;1423280319;mircea_popescu;mod6 does that idea go as far as making bitcoin a sort of xserver ?
1011430;1423280344;mod6;something to that effect, perhaps. yes.
1011431;1423280373;mod6;where you can connect to 'bitcoind' with a wallet of your choosing.  if that's what you mean.
1011432;1423280374;mircea_popescu;like, the node, which is an always on demon, and then various things connecting to it : such as other nodes, on the eth card, or the user, always on the specifically delegated interface, etc ?
1011433;1423280374;asciilifeform;idea that was spoken of was a hopper to throw signed tx in.
1011434;1423280402;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=23-10-2014#890284
1011435;1423280402;assbot;Logged on 23-10-2014 05:07:32; mircea_popescu: <asciilifeform> connected with serial cable << this from reading up on old mpex material ?
1011436;1423280403;asciilifeform;^ thread
1011437;1423280419;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform yes but more generally speaking.
1011438;1423280421;mod6;right, then there was that whole discussion.
1011439;1423280683;mod6;So, yeah, there are a number of topics that we look forward to discussing with you about future of the R.I. We'll get there. :]
1011440;1423280707;*;mod6 does a data round-up & updates openssl on AWS instance
1011441;1423280712;mircea_popescu;poor mod6 sounds exactly like buridan's ass :D
1011442;1423280720;asciilifeform;back to the boojum - do i misunderstand or did the thing unwedge when moved to 'modern' openssl ?
1011443;1423280741;danielpbarron;oh btw, the pogo running with swap space hasn't crashed yet, currently at 87k
1011444;1423280767;mircea_popescu;danielpbarron was it 2gb space ?
1011445;1423280776;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform seems to be the report.
1011446;1423280777;danielpbarron;yeah, slightly under after formatting
1011447;1423280789;mod6;<+asciilifeform> back to the boojum - do i misunderstand or did the thing unwedge when moved to 'modern' openssl ? << yup, that's what unwedged it.  move from openssl v0.9.8o -> openssl 1.0.1g
1011448;1423280817;asciilifeform;danielpbarron: blocks?
1011449;1423280820;danielpbarron;yeah
1011450;1423280871;mod6;mircea_popescu: haha.
1011451;1423280892;mod6;yeah, some well thought out decisions to be made for sure. :)
1011452;1423280898;asciilifeform;danielpbarron: as in how many ?
1011453;1423280908;mod6;im looking forward to that discussion, as well as the BDB removal discussion
1011454;1423280910;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform re the "Have you ever actually used a speech recognition system to enter serious lengths of text? " line in your comments : i agree talking to a comp
1011455;1423280917;mircea_popescu;hm, actually, woul you prefer i comment there ?
1011456;1423280919;danielpbarron;asciilifeform, 88100
1011457;1423280924;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: either works
1011458;1423280956;mircea_popescu;so i agree that talking to computers is loathsome. however, i often use note takers when speaking rather than writing myslelf. the latter explains the former.
1011459;1423280996;mircea_popescu;the great utility of the scribe / secretary, rather than the tits, is that natural languages have piles and layers of redundancy built in. a good note taker is a cheap way to gain 50 to 100% speed and a decent 10 to 25% quality for very little cost.
1011460;1423281016;mircea_popescu;BUT if the computer you are talking to is equally redundant and badly built, you are either an idiot or very very unfortunate.
1011461;1423281036;asciilifeform;computer, as we have it, does not even know how to 'say that again plz'
1011462;1423281045;asciilifeform;but merrily craps out garbage
1011463;1423281049;mircea_popescu;a secretary that does that generally gets fired.
1011464;1423281054;mircea_popescu;but! she can fix asonances!@
1011465;1423281070;mircea_popescu;if any good, she can go "you don't actually say that"
1011466;1423281075;mircea_popescu;as in, "i've never heard it before"
1011467;1423281077;mircea_popescu;etc.
1011468;1423281104;asciilifeform;the secretary will know how to finesse the question
1011469;1423281109;mircea_popescu;quite.
1011470;1423281122;mircea_popescu;it's a job, and it earns its pay fairly.
1011471;1423281135;mircea_popescu;but the reason itdoes is specifically - that recipient is not computer.
1011472;1423281156;asciilifeform;http://www.xach.com/naggum/articles/3088289335876823@naggum.no.html << obligatory naggum
1011473;1423281157;assbot;Re: Why a lisp OS? Re: Help required on Limitations of Lisp - Naggum cll archive ... ( http://bit.ly/1zY7kRF )
1011474;1423281166;asciilifeform;^ nothing to do with lisp, but with secretaries
1011475;1423281280;mircea_popescu;also obligatory, wilde. "i will leave it to you to fix the ifs and thens and wherefores"
1011476;1423281300;mircea_popescu;actually where's that great fry monologue.
1011477;1423281342;mircea_popescu;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J7E-aoXLZGY
1011478;1423281343;assbot;Stephen Fry Kinetic Typography - Language - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1zY7HLM )
1011479;1423281503;mircea_popescu;(to dampen that : fry likes wilde more because wilde was a fag than because wilde was good. which he wasn't THAT good. but nevertheless, THIS point is sound in this context)
1011480;1423281531;asciilifeform;so far it sounds like what orwell would've farted out in a paragraph
1011481;1423281558;asciilifeform;but turned into a whole dance
1011482;1423281619;mircea_popescu;very politically like minded, yes.
1011483;1423281645;mircea_popescu;which of course in a different time would beg the snide question if orwell were ever married.
1011484;1423281654;asciilifeform;was, interestingly
1011485;1423281659;mircea_popescu;(note that this does not mean the same as "was ever married" in the slightest, which is the point)
1011486;1423281680;asciilifeform;iirc at least 2x
1011487;1423281687;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 242700 @ 0.00040201 = 97.5678 BTC [-] {3} 
1011488;1423281753;mircea_popescu;i thought he was a womanizer
1011489;1423281811;asciilifeform;iirc was, but it didn't leave any interesting material for archaeologists
1011490;1423281824;asciilifeform;or if did, i'm unaware.
1011491;1423282168;mircea_popescu;lol this naggum thing. jesus christ he's impossible to talk to.
1011492;1423282198;mircea_popescu;at which point does the use of "seperate" in the original text suggest to him that he's dealing with a simple man with simple problems and he'd better stick to simpler solutions ?
1011493;1423282241;mircea_popescu;there's two kinds of socialist minds in this world, the sort that expect all people to be equally stupid, and the sort that expect all people to be equally smart.
1011494;1423282260;mircea_popescu;neither is good news.
1011495;1423282394;asciilifeform;what was the 'simple man with simple programs' doing in comp.lang.lisp ?
1011496;1423282406;mircea_popescu;looking for a nut.
1011497;1423282407;asciilifeform;mistook address ?
1011498;1423282408;asciilifeform;lol
1011499;1423282417;mircea_popescu;"according to a report in the Economist earlier this year, the cost of producing any piece of business communication dropped along with advances in computers from 1950 through 1980.  from 1985 through 1995, it rose sharply enough to consume all earnings made since 1950.  it is significantly more expensive to produce a business letter in 1997 than it was in 1950.  despite many technological advances with a very high pri
1011500;1423282417;mircea_popescu;ce tag, a secretary does not produce any more measurable output now than in 1950 -- in fact, the evidence suggests that obtaining _half_ the productivity of a 1950's secretary in 1997 is a major feat.  the fact that managers write their own reports at down to 1/10th of the speed of a secretary that used to be paid 1/10th of their salary also means that the time spent producing a letter or a report can cost as much as 1
1011501;1423282418;mircea_popescu;00 times more than it did in 1950, when managers scribbled unreadable notes and very quick and efficient typists corrected their spelling, grammer, and language and adhered to "company style" effortlessly."
1011502;1423282426;mircea_popescu;now that... that is EXACTLY what i had in mind earlier.
1011503;1423282432;asciilifeform;a sparrow caught in a microwave horn
1011504;1423282435;asciilifeform;also mistook address
1011505;1423282463;asciilifeform;speaking of which
1011506;1423282467;asciilifeform;student puzzle
1011507;1423282480;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform laugh if you will, but if pressed to come up with a definition of humanity, at least as an ideal object, the most sound i can think up is, "that collection of objects which construct relations which degrade gracefully"
1011508;1423282493;asciilifeform;give a physical explanation, in one sentence, of why a trumpet/tube/microwave horn needs the 'bell'.
1011509;1423282494;mircea_popescu;so... sparrow cooked, sure. simple man should be safe.
1011510;1423282531;asciilifeform;naggum saw comp.lang.lisp as something more like a machine shop than a public square
1011511;1423282538;mircea_popescu;even so.
1011512;1423282542;asciilifeform;'must be =this= tall to ride'
1011513;1423282556;mircea_popescu;note that the guy wasn't actually making code changes
1011514;1423282565;mircea_popescu;i guess perhaps he was in some definition
1011515;1423282626;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform which part's the bell ?
1011516;1423282653;asciilifeform;the end opposite from mouth
1011517;1423282662;asciilifeform;(wide end)
1011518;1423282720;mircea_popescu;not all of them actually end in a resonant chamber do they ?
1011519;1423282729;mircea_popescu;im pretty sure i saw simple funel shapes
1011520;1423282735;asciilifeform;funnel shapes also work
1011521;1423282899;asciilifeform;answer (rot13) - gur ubea, va obgu pnfrf, zngpurf gur vzcrqnapr bs gur genafzvggre - zbhgu be zntargeba, rvgure - jvgu gung bs serr fcnpr.
1011522;1423282995;mircea_popescu;"in a sense, Windows is a result of the way C++ builds environments, like Unix is a result of how C does it." << and in this sense... their merging would be expected at about the time "most people" couldn't if press explain exactly what the ++ stand for.
1011523;1423283040;mircea_popescu;ah hehe that's a good point.
1011524;1423283058;mircea_popescu;i suppose "resonance chamber" isn't actually a good enough answer.
1011525;1423283468;asciilifeform;http://www.setileague.org/askdr/imped.htm << solution for electromagnetic
1011526;1423283469;assbot;Ask Dr. SETI: Characteristic Impedance of Free Space ... ( http://bit.ly/1IlN9ku )
1011527;1423283509;asciilifeform;https://casper.berkeley.edu/astrobaki/index.php/Impedance_of_Free_Space << for folks who must have prettyprinted equations
1011528;1423283512;assbot;Impedance of Free Space - AstroBaki ... ( http://bit.ly/1IlNp2H )
1011529;1423283703;mod6;ok was able to pass 168,001 on my aws instance with configuration: openssl 1.0.1g + v0.5.3 + patches { 1, rm_rf_upnp, 2, 3, 4, 6 & 7 } : http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=aBLX9YVy
1011530;1423283704;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1IlO44n )
1011531;1423284918;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 152100 @ 0.00041249 = 62.7397 BTC [+] {2} 
1011532;1423285059;asciilifeform;;;bc,stats
1011533;1423285062;gribble;Current Blocks: 342354 | Current Difficulty: 4.127287389469702E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 342719 | Next Difficulty In: 365 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 2 days, 6 hours, 4 minutes, and 26 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 44859627562.5 | Estimated Percent Change: 8.69034
1011534;1423285069;asciilifeform;302465.
1011535;1423285225;mircea_popescu;"Engineering complexity is a form of environmental pollution; perhaps even the worst form of all, because it may yet turn out to be the case that it can kill whole civilizations, not just individual people."
1011536;1423285231;mircea_popescu;actually this is a perfectly good motto.
1011537;1423285254;asciilifeform;wherewasthis?
1011538;1423285284;*;asciilifeform remembers and lolz
1011539;1423285303;mircea_popescu;http://www.loper-os.org/?p=374&cpage=1#comment-2816
1011540;1423285305;assbot;Loper OS » Of Weighty Matters, or Thumbs Still Down for Clojure. ... ( http://bit.ly/1DOVgzJ )
1011541;1423285307;mircea_popescu;i think you know him.
1011542;1423285311;asciilifeform;ah.
1011543;1423285341;asciilifeform;believe or not, that thread -still- gets comments.
1011544;1423285364;mircea_popescu;it's a pretty good point anyway.
1011545;1423285404;asciilifeform;it's sorta the basic point of my site in a sentence.
1011546;1423285432;mircea_popescu;" This of course adds the complexity to Clojure. The question is � does this acquired complexity worth it? I think it does. You gain a platform that is being poured thousands of man-hours every year into, you gain a GC that is being optimized for you, you gain the crossplatformity basically for free. You may call that opportunism but it works after all."
1011547;1423285446;mircea_popescu;so if i fuck you, and you get pregnant, well... is it worth it ?
1011548;1423285449;mircea_popescu;you get a baby for free
1011549;1423285453;mircea_popescu;(tm)
1011550;1423285469;asciilifeform;phree gipht.
1011551;1423285484;mircea_popescu;notwithstanding that you know... you gotta spend nine months eating for free
1011552;1423285489;mircea_popescu;for two *
1011553;1423285493;mircea_popescu;!up auscompgeek
1011554;1423285507;asciilifeform;see also the original 'modest proposal' by swift.
1011555;1423285524;asciilifeform;(is it still safe to assume that english speaking folks read it?)
1011556;1423285544;asciilifeform;or did that also quietly walk away somewhere
1011557;1423285635;mircea_popescu;https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1751759988/sicp-distilled
1011558;1423285637;assbot;SICP Distilled by thattommyhall — Kickstarter ... ( http://bit.ly/1DOVG97 )
1011559;1423285653;mircea_popescu;723 backers �12,927 pledged of �3,500 goal  0 seconds to go
1011560;1423285655;asciilifeform;paging herr bowdler!
1011561;1423285668;asciilifeform;shakespeare distilled!
1011562;1423285710;mircea_popescu;i guess it's almost done by now ? 6 months later ?
1011563;1423285791;asciilifeform;i would have guessed that this is to be a 'cliff's notes' (american book series of ready-baked crib sheets for f-students) for sicp, but the latter is no longer (afaik) assigned in school
1011564;1423285794;asciilifeform;so it can't be that
1011565;1423285994;asciilifeform;it was nowhere near this figure, iirc, when comment appeared
1011566;1423286006;mircea_popescu;could it be just 25k worth of fraud which really "isn't all that much" especially seeing how "everyone deserves a living wage" ?
1011567;1423286018;asciilifeform;but why -that- fraud
1011568;1423286078;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 202250 @ 0.00041106 = 83.1369 BTC [-] {2} 
1011569;1423286204;mircea_popescu;you ever walk behind couples wondering why she chose THAT loser ?
1011570;1423286231;mircea_popescu;a) she didn't choose ; b) you don't actually see a "that" there.
1011571;1423286267;asciilifeform;but still end up wondering in what circus the dwarf and giant met.
1011572;1423286373;mircea_popescu;every one.
1011573;1423286642;mircea_popescu;http://www.thattommyhall.com/ << blog, discontinued oct 9th
1011574;1423286643;assbot;Everything is a Ghetto ... ( http://bit.ly/1DOWQS9 )
1011575;1423286703;mircea_popescu;https://twitter.com/thattommyhall/status/335457624713752577 << abandoned twitter detailing his idea
1011576;1423286705;assbot;Looking for investment in my new startup "Facade". The model is simple, I take your money, do what I want for a year then you write it off
1011577;1423286732;mircea_popescu;i guess ima write this up.
1011578;1423286771;asciilifeform;the simplest possible chumpamatic.
1011579;1423286870;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 169061 @ 0.00041227 = 69.6988 BTC [+] {2} 
1011580;1423287724;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 117300 @ 0.00040498 = 47.5042 BTC [-]
1011581;1423288810;mircea_popescu;!up Guest70720
1011582;1423288819;mircea_popescu;ello brenda.
1011583;1423288821;Guest70720;a
1011584;1423288834;Guest70720;hi now i can spam you like crazy for 30mins
1011585;1423288899;mircea_popescu;wd.
1011586;1423288975;Guest70720;i'm still trying to understand how this irc thing works. I've been lurking for quite a while but mostly on the blogs and forums
1011587;1423289038;mircea_popescu;start reading the logs. linked in the topic.
1011588;1423289063;Guest70720;they are endless, it's like reading the blockchain...
1011589;1423289114;mircea_popescu;i think that's exactly what they're going for :)
1011590;1423289127;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 64100 @ 0.00041438 = 26.5618 BTC [+] {2} 
1011591;1423289145;danielpbarron;when i was in college, i sorta made a fool of myself by giving a presentation about irc in some computer class; the presentation was supposed to be about some online business we were supposed to have come up with in a semester. In retrospect, it was exactly the right thing to present; kids growing up without awareness of irc is not helping them
1011592;1423289161;mircea_popescu;you think ?
1011593;1423289199;mircea_popescu;ironically, irc was a big thing when i was a teen. then pretty much forgot about it. only rediscovered it in a frustrated attempt to make sense of the ever mounting idiocy that bitcoin appeared to be.
1011594;1423289201;mircea_popescu;it stuck.
1011595;1423289214;danielpbarron;hah same here
1011596;1423289984;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=24-02-2014#525820
1011597;1423289984;assbot;Logged on 24-02-2014 18:09:12; mircea_popescu: "So above you see pankkake continue to smear the company ActiveMining (by calling it an investment scam, associating it with the known 'LabCoin scam', saying the CEO is facing jail and accusing me of being a scammer (!)) after Ken publicly refused to pay pankkake's blackmail money demand."
1011598;1423289989;mircea_popescu;lol anyone remember active mining ?
1011599;1423290184;pete_dushenski;mircea_popescu: heh i do. i actually made a buck on that scam.
1011600;1423290185;mircea_popescu;http://www.dailydot.com/geek/benjanun-sriduangkaew-revealed-to-be-troll-requires-hate-winterfox/
1011601;1423290186;assbot;Acclaimed sci-fi writer exposed as notorious Internet troll ... ( http://bit.ly/1KzMbgf )
1011602;1423290195;mircea_popescu;aawww, troll was a ... woman ?! ethnic ?! NOT POSSIBRU
1011603;1423290316;asciilifeform;this was big
1011604;1423290321;asciilifeform;in its particular zoo
1011605;1423290469;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12300 @ 0.00040498 = 4.9813 BTC [-]
1011606;1423290560;mircea_popescu;myeah
1011607;1423290580;mircea_popescu;hey anyone remembers these bits i quoted some weeks ago about this woman that did a kickstarter-like thing for her oyung adult novel
1011608;1423290587;mircea_popescu;and ended up pulling it because "internet is mean" ?
1011609;1423291142;asciilifeform;http://www.universalsubtitles.org/en/videos/rcQaef4yYJyn/info/moia-masterskaia << ben_vulpes, BingoBoingo, others << my attempt at subtitling a certain memorable photo brag (not mine!). to enable the subs, click CC on bottom left hand corner (not the usual bottom right on youtube.)
1011610;1423291143;assbot;Моя мастерская with subtitles | Amara ... ( http://bit.ly/1KzNvQa )
1011611;1423291167;asciilifeform;^ and also sound starts muted for some reason.
1011612;1423291245;asciilifeform;found video subbing tool, and though that there was a list of things i was once going to sub, but for some reason found in my notes only this.
1011613;1423291252;asciilifeform;*thought
1011614;1423291306;*;asciilifeform points out that the pictured scene is not his house. he only wishes it were.
1011615;1423291628;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 51350 @ 0.00040498 = 20.7957 BTC [-]
1011616;1423291797;phillipsjk;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=07-02-2015#1011355 got me thinking about: https://gist.github.com/sipa/5d12c343746dad376c80
1011617;1423291797;assbot;Logged on 07-02-2015 03:18:43; mircea_popescu: sooooo... on account of bitcoind recompiled with new openssl, actual bitcoind compiled with actual openssl as of 2009 does not pass blocks in 2011
1011618;1423291798;assbot;Proposed DERSIG BIP ... ( http://bit.ly/1zYpjHC )
1011619;1423291811;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 17232 @ 0.0009048 = 15.5915 BTC [-] {43} 
1011620;1423291885;mircea_popescu;signatures are a major vulnerability. mostly because nobody in fucking crypto except for us understands the actual constraints.
1011621;1423291895;phillipsjk;A careful reading of the logs shows that mod6 was careful to use the pre-f revision of debian SSL.
1011622;1423291914;mircea_popescu;yes.
1011623;1423291917;asciilifeform;i pulled an openssl out of me arse
1011624;1423291922;asciilifeform;but did warn!
1011625;1423291970;asciilifeform;'Until recently, OpenSSL's releases would accept various deviations from the DER standard and accept signatures as valid. When this changed in OpenSSL 1.0.0p and 1.0.1k, it made some nodes reject the chain.' - from the phoundation document linked above.
1011626;1423291996;*;asciilifeform remembers this brouhaha, did not verify the claim personally
1011627;1423292056;phillipsjk;"The requirement to have signatures that comply strictly with DER has been enforced as a relay policy by the reference client since v0.8.0, and very few transactions violating it are being added to the chain as of January 2015. In addition, every non-compliant signature can trivially be converted into a compliant one, so there is no loss of functionality by this requirement."
1011628;1423292111;phillipsjk;I don't understand the complete implementation details, but how do they how to convert the signatures without messing with the merkle tree? Have a table of weird transactions?
1011629;1423292130;phillipsjk;oops can't grammar
1011630;1423292155;phillipsjk;.... but how do they plant to canvert the signatures without...
1011631;1423292170;asciilifeform;http://trilema.com/2015/gerald-davis-is-wrong-heres-why/#comment-112039 << to whoever was asking for winblows
1011632;1423292171;assbot;Gerald Davis is wrong. Here's why. pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.  ... ( http://bit.ly/1KzP54H )
1011633;1423292220;mircea_popescu;phillipsjk non compliant signatures are non compliant in trivial ways,
1011634;1423292223;mircea_popescu;such as space padding
1011635;1423292225;phillipsjk;It took me 3 tries to /msg assbot (mis-typed msg)
1011636;1423292276;phillipsjk;Is the space padding ignored when computing the merckle hash then?
1011637;1423292328;mircea_popescu;in this sense
1011638;1423292358;asciilifeform;http://btc.yt/lxr/satoshi/ident?_i=VerifySignature
1011639;1423292359;assbot;Satoshi 0.5.3.1 identifier search: VerifySignature ... ( http://bit.ly/1zYqab8 )
1011640;1423292421;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 207900 @ 0.00041561 = 86.4053 BTC [+] {6} 
1011641;1423292444;mircea_popescu;god damned i can't find this
1011642;1423292659;asciilifeform;iirc not ignored
1011643;1423292882;mircea_popescu;!up sypher_
1011644;1423293717;phillipsjk;"As explained by Gavin Andersen on the forum - in order to calculate the ID hash of the Tx that is used in the Merkle Tree, one needs to SHA hash the whole Tx message as defined in the Protocol Specification wiki page twice." http://bitcoin.stackexchange.com/questions/2177/how-to-calculate-a-hash-of-a-tx (second answer links to a diagram done by the Armory developer)
1011645;1423293718;assbot;transactions - How to calculate a hash of a Tx? - Bitcoin Stack Exchange ... ( http://bit.ly/1zYspvd )
1011646;1423293923;phillipsjk;etotheipi: "If you want to hash a Tx for ECDSA signing/verification, that's a whole different story (although, the link above also shows how to do that, too)." link: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=29416.0
1011647;1423293924;assbot;On-the-wire byte map & OP_CHECKSIG diagram (knowledge donation!) ... ( http://bit.ly/1zYsL54 )
1011648;1423294008;phillipsjk;See, there is some gold buried in the bitcointalk forum. Sifting through all the noise is a pain sometimes though.
1011649;1423294061;asciilifeform;knowing what we know about the folks of the tardphorum, it is worth the while of anyone who actually gives a flying fuck, to consult the source.
1011650;1423294372;phillipsjk;The source does not have a graphical summary. You can think of it as a "map". Maps are known to be wrong on occasion.
1011651;1423294417;asciilifeform;don't be the fellow who follows his 'gps' receiver off the derelict bridge and into the sea.
1011652;1423294530;*;phillipsjk has never quite understood why geocaching is supposed to be exciting "because you don't know what $Gaint_Obstacle you will encounter!"
1011653;1423294544;phillipsjk;I think GPS recievers include maps now, but still.
1011654;1423294550;asciilifeform;not exciting at all with radio cheat.
1011655;1423294580;asciilifeform;exciting when done the proper way
1011656;1423294595;asciilifeform;(practice for weapons cache emplacement and retrieval.)
1011657;1423294611;asciilifeform;consult the literature.
1011658;1423294636;mircea_popescu;ahhh finaly.
1011659;1423294637;phillipsjk;I was in Cadets for a while, and liked map&compass.
1011660;1423294638;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-01-2015#974839
1011661;1423294638;assbot;Logged on 12-01-2015 21:22:05; mircea_popescu: "4. You don't deserve to know any of that. It's none of your business. I invited my readers to chip in on a project--or not. I did not invite you to worm your nose into every aspect of my life, hunt down pictures of my home, call me names, or tell me I was worthless, arrogant, greedy, and undeserving. But you want to rip me bare and expose how awful you're sure I am. I get it, you want me transparent
1011662;1423294667;mircea_popescu;phillipsjk trusting summaries, especially when "graphical" is a sure path to perdition.
1011663;1423294800;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 126900 @ 0.00040187 = 50.9973 BTC [-]
1011664;1423294922;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 424664 @ 0.00039968 = 169.7297 BTC [-] {6} 
1011665;1423295101;mircea_popescu;o.O
1011666;1423295334;mircea_popescu;"It's all crap. This SJW shit is the Tea Party of the left. "
1011667;1423295345;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: re: kickstarter article: ks is straight from the encyclopaedia of chumpatronic circuits, chapter 'make use of chumps directly in the machine�s control system.' as in 'multi-level' crapolade of every variety.
1011668;1423295346;mircea_popescu;actually... the swj shit is what the left likes to think the tea party.
1011669;1423295349;mircea_popescu;odd how this works
1011670;1423295370;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform um. this seems to me just a completely inept, disorganised kid.
1011671;1423295393;asciilifeform;referring to ks itself
1011672;1423295415;asciilifeform;which laughs all the way to the bank whether man or monkey sits down and pens prospectus / collects.
1011673;1423295439;mircea_popescu;surely.
1011674;1423295456;mircea_popescu;and no doubt once they sell to facebook / washington mutual / obama's pubic hair,
1011675;1423295470;mircea_popescu;they'll sell for way more than the gpg "dev" got to sell out the thing she doesn't represent.
1011676;1423295486;mircea_popescu;and defo more than the lousy one year salary gavin got for attempting (and failing) some
1011677;1423295490;asciilifeform;all that's missing is a usg-operated altcoin to go with it
1011678;1423295509;mircea_popescu;(which incidentally makes me curious, if you get usg advance on promise to deliver and then fail to deliver, do you hjave to repay ? or go to jail ?)
1011679;1423295545;asciilifeform;they'd pull whatever string was attached to the muppet
1011680;1423295547;asciilifeform;until head comes off.
1011681;1423295567;asciilifeform;(what string? ask gerald davis or any of the rest, i've no idea)
1011682;1423295596;asciilifeform;maybe davis will tell us what it was if he finally recovers his courage and eats his luger on camera
1011683;1423295605;asciilifeform;perhaps will say to the camera
1011684;1423295611;mircea_popescu;there's always a fine excuse.
1011685;1423295624;mircea_popescu;"i'm married - gotta make sure my kids have no better anything to look up to than i did"
1011686;1423295625;mircea_popescu;or w/e.
1011687;1423295638;asciilifeform;i'd bet it's a solid, tangible string
1011688;1423295651;asciilifeform;at least for most of'em
1011689;1423295709;mircea_popescu;doubt it
1011690;1423295711;mircea_popescu;too expensive.
1011691;1423295717;*;phillipsjk is too tired to be useful.
1011692;1423295722;mircea_popescu;so go to bed!
1011693;1423295771;mircea_popescu;"I think that, like species, languages will form evolutionary trees, with dead-ends branching off all over. We can see this happening already. Cobol, for all its sometime popularity, does not seem to have any intellectual descendants. It is an evolutionary dead-end-- a Neanderthal language."
1011694;1423295775;mircea_popescu;how the fuck can he write this.
1011695;1423295902;asciilifeform;!up gabriel_laddel
1011696;1423295905;mircea_popescu;"Even when there were still plenty of Neanderthals, it must have sucked to be one. The Cro-Magnons would have been constantly coming over and beating you up and stealing your food."
1011697;1423295910;gabriel_laddel;ty
1011698;1423295915;mircea_popescu;what cro-magnon ever beat up a neandhertal ?!
1011699;1423295925;mircea_popescu;wtf, global warming retroeffects.
1011700;1423295941;gabriel_laddel;http://www.xach.com/naggum/articles/3206985430398054@naggum.net.html
1011701;1423295942;assbot;Re: Representing code as XML: the Flare Programming Language - Naggum cll archive ... ( http://bit.ly/18WGOfl )
1011702;1423295942;asciilifeform;ancient hypothesis where the former ate up the latter
1011703;1423295957;gabriel_laddel;^ related
1011704;1423295986;gabriel_laddel;mircea_popescu: have you grokked the "why" of lisp yet?
1011705;1423296007;mircea_popescu;have i ended up like the lisp heathen or something ?
1011706;1423296022;gabriel_laddel;mircea_popescu: nah, I'm writing something now for other reasons, will link when finished if you've not.
1011707;1423296024;mircea_popescu;i think it's a fine language! i just don't have anything to do in it.
1011708;1423296042;gabriel_laddel;lolk
1011709;1423296051;gabriel_laddel;I'll take that as "no".
1011710;1423296064;mircea_popescu;imagine me like a guy that has no poem to write. k ? so i don't write in italian. splendid language for the best of poems, and even for talking melodicly about the tv shows.
1011711;1423296067;*;asciilifeform 'didn't have anything to do in it' likewise for first decade or so of knowing
1011712;1423296069;mircea_popescu;but...i ain't got much to say
1011713;1423296163;mircea_popescu;i don't write any c, either, or c++. i've never written either java or javascript. i sometimes to a little bash, and always to dig up natural language strings in natural language dialects. or otherwise mess the mup.
1011714;1423296168;mircea_popescu;i guess i mostly use bash to php in.
1011715;1423296242;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu would probably have enjoyed snobol.
1011716;1423296243;asciilifeform;http://c2.com/cgi/wiki?SnobolLanguage
1011717;1423296245;assbot;Snobol Language ... ( http://bit.ly/1zhCqfV )
1011718;1423296256;punkman;too much log!
1011719;1423296258;asciilifeform;(no, not 'cobol for snob', as i once thought as a kid)
1011720;1423296272;mircea_popescu;lol. i think we did something with it in school. dun recall so well.
1011721;1423296296;mircea_popescu;but in any case - i'm perhaps the worst market for any language. sort-of like a grasshopper is no market for leather goods.
1011722;1423296296;asciilifeform;i may never have sat down to play with it had the library not thrown out (yes) the only book on it therein.
1011723;1423296327;punkman;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=07-02-2015#1011347  << that's what I have, wedges
1011724;1423296327;assbot;Logged on 07-02-2015 03:16:39; mod6: OpenSSL 1.0.1g 7 Apr 2014
1011725;1423296336;asciilifeform;punkman: on what ?
1011726;1423296342;asciilifeform;pogo ?
1011727;1423296345;punkman;oh wait, mine is 1.0.1e
1011728;1423296359;punkman;asciilifeform: debian 7, x86
1011729;1423296361;mircea_popescu;bitcoin - error only counts if generated by the right software on the right hardware on the right data spot.
1011730;1423296368;mircea_popescu;otherwise, absent one of 3, it's "normal"
1011731;1423296373;mircea_popescu;such we've progressed...
1011732;1423296374;asciilifeform;l0l
1011733;1423296389;asciilifeform;http://worrydream.com/refs/Griswold-TheSnobolProgrammingLanguage.pdf
1011734;1423296392;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/18WHxNA )
1011735;1423296392;asciilifeform;^ scan
1011736;1423296402;asciilifeform;obligatory for all serious weirdlang aficionados.
1011737;1423296418;asciilifeform;it's a bell labs product incidentally.
1011738;1423296447;asciilifeform;1968.
1011739;1423296653;punkman;worrydream fella has some interesting stuff
1011740;1423296673;punkman;I remember his "The Future of Programming" talk, made me sad
1011741;1423296691;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 78850 @ 0.00039259 = 30.9557 BTC [-]
1011742;1423296733;mircea_popescu;sad because you thought "one day i too will be stupid and senile like graham" ?
1011743;1423296759;asciilifeform;'worrydream' is not graham
1011744;1423296769;punkman;sad because he shows cool things that we threw away
1011745;1423296843;asciilifeform;punkman: my www is largely about these particular things.
1011746;1423296873;*;asciilifeform to bed
1011747;1423296878;punkman;asciilifeform: yes I have perused (even before #b-a ;)
1011748;1423296979;punkman;http://vimeo.com/71278954
1011749;1423296980;assbot;Bret Victor - The Future of Programming on Vimeo ... ( http://bit.ly/18WIvJE )
1011750;1423297087;mircea_popescu;oh i had the wrong talk :p
1011751;1423297097;mircea_popescu;http://paulgraham.com/hundred.html
1011752;1423297098;assbot;The Hundred-Year Language ... ( http://bit.ly/18WIG82 )
1011753;1423297508;punkman;http://www.iflscience.com/health-and-medicine/cheap-smartphone-dongle-diagnoses-hiv-and-syphilis-15-minutes
1011754;1423297509;assbot;Cheap Smartphone Dongle Diagnoses HIV And Syphilis In 15 Minutes | IFLScience ... ( http://bit.ly/18WJjOQ )
1011755;1423297685;punkman;"Matt Green, a professor specializing in cryptography at Johns Hopkins  University, said he has looked at the GnuPG source code and found it in  such rough shape that he regularly assigns chunks of it to his students  for review. At the end I ask how they felt about it and they all basically say: 'God, please I never want to do something like this again'"
1011756;1423297721;punkman;"It's not maintained by enough people, given how big it is, and it  contains a lot of old cruft that should be gotten rid of. When it got  re-engineered from version 1 to version 2, version 2 got re-engineered  in this abstract way [so] that it's hard to figure out what's going on  on the back end."
1011757;1423297916;punkman;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=07-02-2015#1011365  << possible candidate https://github.com/kmackay/micro-ecc
1011758;1423297916;assbot;Logged on 07-02-2015 03:20:14; asciilifeform: let's rip out openssl in the simplest way
1011759;1423297918;assbot;kmackay/micro-ecc · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/18WJY2A )
1011760;1423297972;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 62850 @ 0.00039571 = 24.8704 BTC [+]
1011761;1423298032;mircea_popescu;heh.
1011762;1423298361;mircea_popescu;http://www.contravex.com/2014/10/10/guide-to-setting-up-a-remote-bitcoin-node-for-20-per-year/ << it occurs to me he had a point.
1011763;1423298362;assbot;Guide To Setting Up A Remote Bitcoin Node For $20 Per Year | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski ... ( http://bit.ly/18WKGwP )
1011764;1423298632;mircea_popescu;anyone remember bluemeanie ? http://blog.bluemeanie.net/
1011765;1423298634;assbot;BlueMeanie Blog. Cryptocurrency / Cryptofinance ... ( http://bit.ly/18WLaDb )
1011766;1423300412;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 105500 @ 0.00040047 = 42.2496 BTC [+] {2} 
1011767;1423303706;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 124250 @ 0.00039601 = 49.2042 BTC [-]
1011768;1423304499;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25313 @ 0.00039601 = 10.0242 BTC [-]
1011769;1423305719;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 242100 @ 0.00039809 = 96.3776 BTC [+] {3} 
1011770;1423306329;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20000 @ 0.00039601 = 7.9202 BTC [-]
1011771;1423307183;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 156000 @ 0.00039198 = 61.1489 BTC [-] {5} 
1011772;1423308464;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 68900 @ 0.00040095 = 27.6255 BTC [+] {2} 
1011773;1423309318;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 83450 @ 0.00040138 = 33.4952 BTC [+]
1011774;1423312063;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 44689 @ 0.00040138 = 17.9373 BTC [+]
1011775;1423312124;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 112401 @ 0.00040992 = 46.0754 BTC [+]
1011776;1423312856;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 134950 @ 0.00041144 = 55.5238 BTC [+] {2} 
1011777;1423314381;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10899 @ 0.00041331 = 4.5047 BTC [+]
1011778;1423314442;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 163701 @ 0.0004169 = 68.2469 BTC [+] {3} 
1011779;1423315296;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 172704 @ 0.00041777 = 72.1506 BTC [+] {4} 
1011780;1423315540;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 156148 @ 0.00041872 = 65.3823 BTC [+] {2} 
1011781;1423320481;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 62700 @ 0.00041125 = 25.7854 BTC [-]
1011782;1423326032;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 173600 @ 0.00041904 = 72.7453 BTC [+] {2} 
1011783;1423327801;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31175 @ 0.00041915 = 13.067 BTC [+]
1011784;1423327862;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 64567 @ 0.00041974 = 27.1014 BTC [+] {3} 
1011785;1423328777;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 214450 @ 0.00042114 = 90.3135 BTC [+] {2} 
1011786;1423329265;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 176093 @ 0.00041074 = 72.3284 BTC [-] {2} 
1011787;1423329494;mircea_popescu;;;later tell peterl dead scoopbot ?
1011788;1423329495;gribble;The operation succeeded.
1011789;1423330212;mircea_popescu;http://trilema.com/2012/the-left-trying-to-steal-yet-another-word/ heh 2012.
1011790;1423330212;assbot;The left trying to steal yet another word pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.  ... ( http://bit.ly/16SWuzH )
1011791;1423330668;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 82500 @ 0.00041783 = 34.471 BTC [+]
1011792;1423330973;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12750 @ 0.00041783 = 5.3273 BTC [+]
1011793;1423331034;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 121381 @ 0.00041783 = 50.7166 BTC [+]
1011794;1423331393;mircea_popescu;"I have little direct evidence about the atrocities in the Spanish civil war. I know that some were committed by the Republicans, and far more (they are still continuing) by the Fascists. But what impressed me then, and has impressed me ever since, is that atrocities are believed in or disbelieved in solely on grounds of political predilection. Everyone believes in the atrocities of the enemy and disbelieves in those o
1011795;1423331393;mircea_popescu;f his own side, without ever bothering to examine the evidence. Recently I drew up a table of atrocities during the period between 1918 and the present; there was never a year when atrocities were not occurring somewhere or other, and there was hardly a single case when the Left and the Right believed in the same stories simultaneously. And stranger yet, at any moment the situation can suddenly reverse itself and yeste
1011796;1423331393;mircea_popescu;rday's proved-to-the-hilt atrocity story can become a ridiculous lie, merely because the political landscape has changed."
1011797;1423331409;mircea_popescu;aww, global warming -> climate change is not a trope creator ?! WHO KNEW!!!
1011798;1423331522;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 115103 @ 0.00040913 = 47.0921 BTC [-] {2} 
1011799;1423331792;adlai;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=05-02-2015#1007145 << for it to be worth my time at this amount, i'd want half the profit.
1011800;1423331792;assbot;Logged on 05-02-2015 01:27:14; mircea_popescu: well, if you make a f.mpif pc and report your trades, say daily, and submit monthly sum reports, i dunno, 10 ?
1011801;1423331825;mircea_popescu;nah, first timers get a few % of the profit, and at the end of a whole year.
1011802;1423331851;adlai;or 100% of the profit from using my own 10btc
1011803;1423331873;adlai;i'd make a more reasonable offer for a more attractive amount of capital
1011804;1423331882;mircea_popescu;yes, and the oppoortunity to have the same problem in 2016.
1011805;1423331889;mircea_popescu;you're not getting any younger you know.
1011806;1423331898;mircea_popescu;but, apart from that, your life, live it as you think fit.
1011807;1423331927;pete_dushenski;http://www.contravex.com/2015/02/07/venus-in-fur/
1011808;1423331928;assbot;Venus in Fur | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski ... ( http://bit.ly/1KsTg3Z )
1011809;1423331966;pete_dushenski;^took in a play ostensibly about domination and submission last night
1011810;1423332010;*;adlai is one of the youngest folks around here, to his knowledge...
1011811;1423332011;pete_dushenski;interesting idea and even some shining moments, but the script was out to post-post-modern lunch
1011812;1423332030;mircea_popescu;Alana Hawley would be a great porn star name.
1011813;1423332042;pete_dushenski;having been written in the last decade, though, it's no huge surprise that venus in fur was timid at best
1011814;1423332065;pete_dushenski;mircea_popescu yup
1011815;1423332086;pete_dushenski;if only she were a little more physical
1011816;1423332133;pete_dushenski;it was so strange to see an apparently confident woman be so physically inept
1011817;1423332149;pete_dushenski;as if confidence didn't translate into the real world
1011818;1423332161;pete_dushenski;but was merely something to be believed in one's own head
1011819;1423332194;mircea_popescu;<pete_dushenski> it was so strange to see an apparently confident woman be so physically inept <<< this is quite a problem, yes.
1011820;1423332203;pete_dushenski;maybe it was just the pussy director keeping the actors so reigned in
1011821;1423332207;adlai;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=05-02-2015#1008292 << this works, low volume but still enough to profit. haven't tried paymium yet but volume there is still very low. what about buttfinex?
1011822;1423332207;assbot;Logged on 05-02-2015 13:21:22; jurov: perhaps i can look into kraken
1011823;1423332250;jurov;adlai you know buttfinex's history
1011824;1423332250;mircea_popescu;i can't begin to imagine how people think actresses are to be taken seriously if it's plain obvious that should a drill sargeant manifest and yell "STRIP!" she'd start trembling like an eight year old.
1011825;1423332251;jurov;?
1011826;1423332273;*;adlai isn't aware of a major exchange that with a satisfactory history
1011827;1423332289;adlai;jurov: but which specific episode are you referring to?
1011828;1423332308;jurov;well, not all of them are based on reusing previously published gnarly code
1011829;1423332316;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 135355 @ 0.00040262 = 54.4966 BTC [-]
1011830;1423332316;pete_dushenski;mircea_popescu which is precisely what the male protagonist bemoans in the opening scene of the play
1011831;1423332331;pete_dushenski;only to fall head over heels for a slightly more verbose version of the same thing
1011832;1423332353;*;adlai has lost money from garbage data spewed by finex's "trading engine" during extreme load... but he's also making >⅓% daily there, which has its charms
1011833;1423332357;mircea_popescu;pete_dushenski part of your disbelief also comes from you thinking in plain terms of d/s whereas the show seems to be thought more in terms of "a coupla switches get together".
1011834;1423332373;pete_dushenski;for those interested, venus in fur is apparently playing pretty well everywhere these days
1011835;1423332433;pete_dushenski;mircea_popescu that isn't implausible
1011836;1423332475;pete_dushenski;this isn't my area of expertise and i'm working from my own understanding of human motivations
1011837;1423332516;pete_dushenski;and i think my reservation lies mostly in the lack of commitment
1011838;1423332531;pete_dushenski;the flimsiness of either role
1011839;1423332556;mircea_popescu;pete_dushenski to quote adlai above, as far as the young actors are concerned, "it'd take half the theatre to make it worth their while" :D
1011840;1423332599;adlai;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=05-02-2015#1007135
1011841;1423332599;assbot;Logged on 05-02-2015 01:19:42; mircea_popescu: <asciilifeform> adlai: why does it have to test on actual live-fire btc anyway? << so he can make a buck ?
1011842;1423332601;*;adlai shrugs
1011843;1423332608;jurov;adlai you know, risk assessment.
1011844;1423332634;jurov;and if this is going to mpif, default is not really viable
1011845;1423332637;thestringpuller;mircea_popescu never sleeps
1011846;1423332645;thestringpuller;i believe mircea_popescu and asciilifeform are robots
1011847;1423332659;mircea_popescu;i just woke up yo.
1011848;1423332669;mircea_popescu;!up Dimsler
1011849;1423332680;pete_dushenski;mircea_popescu lol i guess so
1011850;1423332690;jurov;if it was extra asset with stipulation "if buttfinex fails, tough luck" then that's naother thing
1011851;1423332694;pete_dushenski;the world doesn't revolve around me, i'm told
1011852;1423332695;Dimsler;lol looks like mircea made it on reddit on the feminist board
1011853;1423332702;mircea_popescu;i wut ?
1011854;1423332714;adlai;this is actually why i suggested that for an mpif pc, it'd make the most sense to run the bot on s.mpoe itself
1011855;1423332743;Dimsler;someone was quoting your womens studies article
1011856;1423332767;mircea_popescu;link ?
1011857;1423332846;jurov;so, let's do s.mpoe first then
1011858;1423332914;jurov;and i can submit company papers to kraken and we'll see. but it will need really good agreement as to who is liable
1011859;1423332994;mircea_popescu;eh, and you'll enforce a really good agreement how ?
1011860;1423333544;*;adlai would rather not be liable for ancient sea creatures running off with your bit-gold. placing bad trades is another matter, but this is measurable with much more resolution than solvency
1011861;1423333593;adlai;amazing how this thing just keeps running while i'm in here, almost like it's not human
1011862;1423333593;assbot;AMAZING COMPANY!
1011863;1423334328;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 97737 @ 0.00040239 = 39.3284 BTC [-] {2} 
1011864;1423334816;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 126786 @ 0.00040136 = 50.8868 BTC [-] {2} 
1011865;1423335386;danielpbarron;http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/womens-prison-mass-jail-break-5120591
1011866;1423335387;assbot;Women's prison mass jail break after inmates in dominatrix gear handcuff male guards expecting 'mass orgy' - Mirror Online ... ( http://bit.ly/1xJnF5l )
1011867;1423335487;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 65600 @ 0.00040679 = 26.6854 BTC [+]
1011868;1423335585;mircea_popescu;no way.
1011869;1423335642;mircea_popescu;ahahaha this actually happened ?!
1011870;1423335758;mircea_popescu;https://www.google.com.ar/search?hl=es-419&source=hp&q=Cuiaba+pris%C3%A3o
1011871;1423335760;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1ztenQ0 )
1011872;1423335763;mircea_popescu;seems its bs.
1011873;1423335856;danielpbarron;aw :<
1011874;1423335979;mircea_popescu;all hits on Bruno Amorim that are relevant to this story come from telegraph.co.uk
1011875;1423335991;mircea_popescu;not likely this'd have happened and no mention in spanish/portuguese press.
1011876;1423336114;asciilifeform;;;bc,stats
1011877;1423336118;gribble;Current Blocks: 342460 | Current Difficulty: 4.127287389469702E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 342719 | Next Difficulty In: 259 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 day, 11 hours, 55 minutes, and 50 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 45174899518.4 | Estimated Percent Change: 9.45421
1011878;1423336124;asciilifeform;305112.
1011879;1423336158;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 74400 @ 0.00040756 = 30.3225 BTC [+] {2} 
1011880;1423336341;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 1700 @ 0.00092475 = 1.5721 BTC [+] {9} 
1011881;1423336460;asciilifeform;punkman: micro-ecc << very interesting. mainly in that it is actually small enough to read.
1011882;1423336545;asciilifeform;Cheap Smartphone Dongle Diagnoses HIV And Syphilis In 15 Minutes << sham. not in that the tech doesn't work (it does) but in that it is the ordinary single-shot immunoreactive test, but for some (chumpatronic) reason someone bolted it on to a pNohe.
1011883;1423336584;asciilifeform;likewise, device requiring drops of blood is a nonstarter from the perspective of thermonuking the contagion.
1011884;1423336593;asciilifeform;that requires 'spit in cup, five seconds'
1011885;1423336600;asciilifeform;(see old thread on the subject)
1011886;1423336622;mircea_popescu;saliva syphilis testing is like from 1966
1011887;1423336640;asciilifeform;afaik nobody gives a damn re: syphilis today.
1011888;1423336646;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 78597 @ 0.00041154 = 32.3458 BTC [+]
1011889;1423336648;mircea_popescu;half the claim in article.
1011890;1423336668;mircea_popescu;but anyway hiv is not ever going to be diagnosable in saliva.
1011891;1423336682;mircea_popescu;might as well insist you find burglars by inspecting livestock exclusively.
1011892;1423336705;asciilifeform;immunoreactive test at ppb concentration is not a wholly outlandish concept
1011893;1423336718;mircea_popescu;think what ppb concentrations mean.
1011894;1423336733;mircea_popescu;is it possible through pure chance to miss an infection because it just didn't happen to go to saliva ?
1011895;1423336745;asciilifeform;parachute also can fail, yes.
1011896;1423336753;mircea_popescu;not by any means to the same degree.
1011897;1423336776;mircea_popescu;at the size of the proteins involved, there's not really THAT many billion units in a saliva sample.
1011898;1423336818;mircea_popescu;your test will probably be in the double digit failure rate, which is laughable. i suspect it is impossible for chemodynamic reasons to make it single digit, which makes it impractical
1011899;1423336825;mircea_popescu;which is why attempts aren't really pursued/financed.
1011900;1423336830;asciilifeform;quite possibly.
1011901;1423336847;mircea_popescu;at least it's my off the cuff math
1011902;1423336875;asciilifeform;on other hand, we aren't looking for the virus.
1011903;1423336880;asciilifeform;but for the antibodies.
1011904;1423336892;mircea_popescu;they are still large, and not particularly saliva bound.
1011905;1423336910;asciilifeform;so concentrations of virus in fluid for the purpose of transmission - yes, extremely low to none
1011906;1423336940;mircea_popescu;logically, the antibodies are not often found where the virus is not often found. the human machine is still a machine, trying to be economical if possible.
1011907;1423336957;asciilifeform;http://cvi.asm.org/content/5/4/419.full
1011908;1423336975;asciilifeform;apparently, commercial SOP
1011909;1423336978;*;asciilifeform is behind the times
1011910;1423337055;mircea_popescu;"This is due, in part, to variations in the type and volume of oral sample collected, how the sample is handled prior to testing, the concentration of immunoglobulin (Ig) G present, and if testing methods have been modified to accommodate the use of oral fluids. In early studies that reported poor sensitivity, whole saliva was used and there was little consideration for the volume and condition of the sample needed and
1011911;1423337056;mircea_popescu; the choice of screening assays employed. For this reason, investigators have developed specialized collection devices that enhance the level of antibodies, particularly IgG, in oral specimens, ensure sufficient specimen volume, and include reagents to prevent microbial growth and proteolytic breakdown of antibodies. In general, this has been accomplished by collecting oral fluids enriched in gingival crevicular fluid
1011912;1423337056;mircea_popescu;and mucosal transudate, which possess increased levels of IgG relative to saliva"
1011913;1423337070;mircea_popescu;a) it's not "spit in cup" and b) it still doesn't really work.
1011914;1423337101;mircea_popescu;also, this is all positive testing. what you want is negative testing. entirely different beasts.
1011915;1423337134;assbot;[MPEX] [S.QNTR] 5257 @ 0.00021898 = 1.1512 BTC [+] {2} 
1011916;1423337744;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 87100 @ 0.00041321 = 35.9906 BTC [+]
1011917;1423338818;punkman;asciilifeform: punkman: micro-ecc << very interesting. mainly in that it is actually small enough to read. << speaking of small things...
1011918;1423338829;punkman;netbsd has a pgp implementation
1011919;1423338833;punkman;http://www.netpgp.com/
1011920;1423338836;assbot;NetPGP - digital signatures and encryption ... ( http://bit.ly/1zJ3OXS )
1011921;1423338842;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 106700 @ 0.00041362 = 44.1333 BTC [+]
1011922;1423338850;punkman;I assume this has less baggage
1011923;1423338952;mircea_popescu;if someone feels like reading it...
1011924;1423339058;punkman;speaking of baggage, there is a type of gpg packet that can cause an infinite loop in version 1.4.16 and before
1011925;1423339129;punkman;(been there since 1999)
1011926;1423339377;danielpbarron;speaking of netbsd; that's what i'm researching as a candidate to replace archlinux for the pogo
1011927;1423339558;asciilifeform;netpgp << appears to use openssl...
1011928;1423339588;adlai;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=07-02-2015#1011857 << i'm interested in doing this, but it requires either collaboration with an mpex account holder, or the fabled coinbr api...
1011929;1423339588;assbot;Logged on 07-02-2015 18:14:06; jurov: so, let's do s.mpoe first then
1011930;1423339590;asciilifeform;danielpbarron: netbsd on pogo << last i checked, lacked support for internal eeprom
1011931;1423339600;asciilifeform;danielpbarron: which is a deal-killer
1011932;1423339696;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 107838 @ 0.00041422 = 44.6687 BTC [+] {3} 
1011933;1423339761;mircea_popescu;adlai i think pretty much the entirety of the problem stems from your outright bizarre expectation that bitcoin will somehow suit you. the correct approach is exactly the opposite : change yourself to suit exactly.
1011934;1423339777;mircea_popescu;it's not "a technology", specifically in that it's not made to serve man.
1011935;1423339798;mircea_popescu;it's a discovery. it bends future behaviour.
1011936;1423339859;adlai;don't worry, i believe the same nonsense about my discovery
1011937;1423339882;asciilifeform;confirmed, netpgp uses openssl for the actual maths.
1011938;1423339892;asciilifeform;into the skip, it goes.
1011939;1423339917;asciilifeform;had to spend a grand total of two minutes reading, to learn this.
1011940;1423339919;adlai;also i don't follow why you think that i have this expectation, or that it affects my problem(s)
1011941;1423339923;*;adlai has more than one!
1011942;1423339945;*;adlai wonders why so many programmers are like "Math is hard!" barbie
1011943;1423339967;*;asciilifeform shrugs, also doesn't know
1011944;1423339992;mircea_popescu;adlai nothing wrong with it.
1011945;1423340019;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform it's because math is scary, not hard.
1011946;1423340028;mircea_popescu;programmers are, by and large, social sciences rejects.
1011947;1423340044;mircea_popescu;they know enough to steer away from those places where they can most easily be caught being stupid.
1011948;1423340084;mircea_popescu;your average soviet bureaucrat would avoid committing to paper as much as 1+1=2 , if he could get away with it. and sensibly so, because... you never know.
1011949;1423340084;asciilifeform;but from where comes the fear, when no one is looking and the maths are safely under your blanket in the cover of night ?
1011950;1423340090;mircea_popescu;same deal with your average programmer.
1011951;1423340096;mircea_popescu;from the fact that they MIGHT
1011952;1423340101;asciilifeform;l0l
1011953;1423340117;mircea_popescu;a slightly pudgy 37 yo woman in iowa is not slinking towards her car in a parking lot among crickets because she is going to get raped
1011954;1423340120;adlai;well you can catch yourself being stupid before you "open your mouth and remove all doubt", although i guess it's harder the stupider you get
1011955;1423340126;mircea_popescu;by any one of the 0.05 people present on the same square mile
1011956;1423340145;mircea_popescu;adlai equally harder the smarter you get.
1011957;1423340159;asciilifeform;it's one thing to sign a freshly-packet parachute with your blood, swearing 'i am responsible for this, whatever happens'
1011958;1423340171;asciilifeform;another matter entirely to lazily play game 'paratrooper'
1011959;1423340179;mircea_popescu;you don't understand how narcissism works :)
1011960;1423340187;adlai;khaneman has a chapter on this, tl;dr is that a good "expert" is one who knows when to mistrust expert intuition
1011961;1423340200;mircea_popescu;game much more serious, because not being the work self, it actually therefore must be... THE REAL ME
1011962;1423340225;asciilifeform;that's kinda how i pictured the narcissism working - you play 'paratrooper' and imagine that you are in fact a ww2 hero
1011963;1423340249;mircea_popescu;no, you imagine specifically that you aren't, and that this is specifically why it matters.
1011964;1423340263;mircea_popescu;ANYONE Could be an actual star/paratrooper/president if they actually tried.
1011965;1423340274;mircea_popescu;however... not trying it, is the real performance.
1011966;1423340277;*;asciilifeform probably needs to reread tlp, because he finds this a little confusing
1011967;1423340295;mircea_popescu;italians, as their states were disintegrating, called this spezzatura
1011968;1423340312;mircea_popescu;a good word to look up in period italian literature.
1011969;1423340389;mircea_popescu;sprezzatura*
1011970;1423340517;asciilifeform;the 'work self' thing i remember, but still find it bizarre
1011971;1423340973;adlai;mircea_popescu: i still don't follow why you say http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=07-02-2015#1011933
1011972;1423340973;assbot;Logged on 07-02-2015 20:09:21; mircea_popescu: adlai i think pretty much the entirety of the problem stems from your outright bizarre expectation that bitcoin will somehow suit you. the correct approach is exactly the opposite : change yourself to suit exactly.
1011973;1423341005;mircea_popescu;aha.
1011974;1423341020;*;adlai doesn't have this expectation
1011975;1423341069;mircea_popescu;how do you know this ?
1011976;1423341145;adlai;if it's an unconscious expectation, then i'm not conscious of having it :)
1011977;1423341227;mircea_popescu;:)
1011978;1423341238;asciilifeform;let's imagine that holy grail, room-temperature superconductor, were discovered tonight
1011979;1423341247;mircea_popescu;let's.
1011980;1423341252;asciilifeform;would folks 'have the expectation that room-temp supercon will work for them' ?
1011981;1423341264;mircea_popescu;depends.
1011982;1423341282;asciilifeform;if anything, they may (depending on inclinations) cower in feat of the inevitable laser pistol battles
1011983;1423341292;asciilifeform;or, alternatively, relish the notion of lasers-at-dawn
1011984;1423341302;asciilifeform;but does this resolve to 'will work for them' ?
1011985;1423341316;asciilifeform;*in fear
1011986;1423341320;mircea_popescu;well, let me change this from something we don't know to something we do know.
1011987;1423341343;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 113600 @ 0.00042125 = 47.854 BTC [+] {3} 
1011988;1423341343;mircea_popescu;when the airplane came about, everyone hailed it as a "great civilizing factor"
1011989;1423341355;mircea_popescu;the generalexpectation being, that it will meld into people's lives as they are, making them more so.
1011990;1423341358;mircea_popescu;you aware of this ?
1011991;1423341359;asciilifeform;paging herr orwell..
1011992;1423341385;mircea_popescu;nevertheless, by 1950 the vast majority of the utility of planes was dropping bombs on people's heads.
1011993;1423341398;mircea_popescu;the plane CHANGED their life. it didn't come about to make 1900 a more-1800-than-1800.
1011994;1423341403;asciilifeform;'Some months ago, in this column, I pointed out that modern scientific inventions have tended to prevent rather than increase international communication.  This brought me several angry letters from readers, but none of them were able to show that what I had said was false.  They merely retorted that if we had Socialism, the aeroplane, the radio, etc. would not be perverted to wrong uses.  Very true, but then we haven’t Soc
1011995;1423341403;asciilifeform;ialism.  As it is, the aeroplane is primarily a thing for dropping bombs and the radio primarily a thing for whipping up nationalism.  Even before the war there was enormously less contact between the peoples of the earth than there had been thirty years earlier, and education was perverted, history rewritten and freedom of thought suppressed to an extent undreamed of in earlier ages.  And there is no sign whatever of these te
1011996;1423341403;asciilifeform;ndencies being reversed.'
1011997;1423341410;mircea_popescu;it came about to "fuck you louise, go in the air shelter and sit there"
1011998;1423341418;mircea_popescu;and to "fuck you charlie, read or don't read but the light stays out"
1011999;1423341421;mircea_popescu;and so on and so forth.
1012000;1423341432;asciilifeform;aha.
1012001;1423341436;mircea_popescu;charlie going "i am willing to work with planes as long as either the light stays on or x or y"
1012002;1423341437;asciilifeform;so this.
1012003;1423341450;mircea_popescu;is well... laughable. good luck wioth that, you only have one life and when that's finished there you go.
1012004;1423341465;asciilifeform;obligatory: http://www.paleofuture.com
1012005;1423341466;assbot;Paleofuture - Paleofuture Blog ... ( http://bit.ly/1D8w8Fz )
1012006;1423341590;asciilifeform;and, related to above thread, http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=19-03-2014#567692
1012007;1423341590;assbot;Logged on 19-03-2014 17:33:21; asciilifeform: people don't seem to grasp the fact that the situation in 'shall be delivered' is as inevitable as that first street drunk who electrocuted himself in the 1870s (?)
1012008;1423341649;mircea_popescu;quite.
1012009;1423342502;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 1119 @ 0.00092474 = 1.0348 BTC [-] {3} 
1012010;1423342571;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: perhaps the historical picture in my head is incomplete, but i just can't grasp the portrait of orwell as cockless worm.
1012011;1423342652;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: the ruling elite of his time/place showed every symptom of having 'lost the mandate of heaven', to use the chinese term of art tailor made for this
1012012;1423342805;asciilifeform;what political tack would you imagine he'd have taken, if he had not been a lamer (as pictured in your article) ?
1012013;1423343295;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 97050 @ 0.00041582 = 40.3553 BTC [-]
1012014;1423343600;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 95600 @ 0.00041767 = 39.9293 BTC [+] {2} 
1012015;1423346040;assbot;[MPEX] [S.QNTR] 12624 @ 0.00022571 = 2.8494 BTC [+]
1012016;1423346164;ben_vulpes;<chetty> []  and you had to rent the state company ones// coming soon to us, internet public utility will make it so << pretty much here already in the states
1012017;1423346199;danielpbarron;ben_vulpes, did you just try to connect to my node?
1012018;1423346205;ben_vulpes;no sir
1012019;1423346222;ben_vulpes;i'm reading logs from days past, not hacking
1012020;1423346275;danielpbarron;heh, someone did, and it's not configured to serve blocks at the moment
1012021;1423346409;danielpbarron;hey at those QNTR prices, I made ~5 bucks per article i wrote. not bad :D
1012022;1423346433;danielpbarron;better than refreshing a faucet
1012023;1423346739;ben_vulpes;great intangibles
1012024;1423347145;ben_vulpes;* asciilifeform not a fan of 'pattern matching' languages << i worked with a database with queries in datalog recently.
1012025;1423347150;ben_vulpes;"datomic"
1012026;1423347157;ben_vulpes;a real joy to work with
1012027;1423347247;ben_vulpes;;later tell sergiohlb your cloak is getting applied *after* you join
1012028;1423347254;ben_vulpes;;;later tell sergiohlb your cloak is getting applied *after* you join
1012029;1423347255;gribble;The operation succeeded.
1012030;1423347371;trinque;how many countries have to be fighting a war for the phrase "world war" to apply?
1012031;1423347379;*;trinque starts catching up on news
1012032;1423347401;trinque;ben_vulpes: good afternoon!
1012033;1423347419;*;ben_vulpes curls tighter into a hangover ball
1012034;1423347469;trinque;lol
1012035;1423347585;adlai;by that logic, world war iii is the 'war on drugs'
1012036;1423348016;ben_vulpes;<asciilifeform> [] interesting idiots are sometimes (temporarily) tolerated. tedious idiots - never. << /me waves
1012037;1423348047;adlai;[] really is getting quite tedious
1012038;1423348074;*;adlai is a fan of dropping in a url and letting assbot do the heavy lifting
1012039;1423348968;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26150 @ 0.00041039 = 10.7317 BTC [-] {2} 
1012040;1423349695;ben_vulpes;<mircea_popescu> [] actually i'm kinda half curious how many us based conf attendants discover at the border that the newly expanded tsa doth not agree their passport holds any value. << me too.
1012041;1423349822;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 185100 @ 0.00041726 = 77.2348 BTC [+] {2} 
1012042;1423349837;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes, mircea_popescu: failure of imagination ^ here. more interestingly, we could, say, go on a 'disappearing' plane. or, more comically, turned out on the return leg: 'we've never heard of you, go and starve in mexico city where you came from'
1012043;1423349867;ben_vulpes;i've a feeling argentina'd welcome me with open arms.
1012044;1423349895;*;asciilifeform glad for ben_vulpes's good fortune
1012045;1423349907;ben_vulpes;asciilifeform: i don't buy the malicious usg. thing is purely reactive, and only within the logic of itself.
1012046;1423349915;*;asciilifeform wonders what ben_vulpes is still doing in his jail
1012047;1423349918;ben_vulpes;join "anonymous", go on watch list
1012048;1423349952;ben_vulpes;asciilifeform: shorting shartups
1012049;1423349975;ben_vulpes;asciilifeform: filling tank
1012050;1423350150;ben_vulpes;mod6, asciilifeform: forgive my naivte, but what's the recommended approach to efficiently toggling between versions of libs for compiling cturds? in particular, ssl for bitcoind.
1012051;1423350180;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: study the example in 'portatronic'
1012052;1423350219;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: limiting the conversation to gcc variants, the command line lib and include flags take precedence for search paths
1012053;1423350279;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: see the vars set in build.sh; then look at the top of makefile.unix (bitcoind)
1012054;1423350295;asciilifeform;where LIBS is set
1012055;1423350315;asciilifeform;ditto for DEFS
1012056;1423350349;asciilifeform;the act of toggling versions of libs breaks into these two things, headers (.h) and the libs themselves (for linker.)
1012057;1423350397;ben_vulpes;gotcha
1012058;1423350401;asciilifeform;if anyone is confused about this mechanism, please say. because it is quite central to the whole thing.
1012059;1423350446;ben_vulpes;i start to understand how badly the c toolchain messes with ones head
1012060;1423350464;ben_vulpes;there are all of these things that make sense in the context of it, but...
1012061;1423350481;asciilifeform;in the list of miseries of c/cpp work, this is somewhere near the very bottom.
1012062;1423350493;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 56039 @ 0.00042148 = 23.6193 BTC [+]
1012063;1423350554;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 36361 @ 0.00042309 = 15.384 BTC [+]
1012064;1423350601;ben_vulpes;right! it's totally innocuous.
1012065;1423350623;ben_vulpes;spittoon, though
1012066;1423350640;asciilifeform;sss-schpluurk.
1012067;1423350669;ben_vulpes;blech.
1012068;1423350765;asciilifeform;http://cryptome.org/2015/02/parastoo-viasat-idirect.htm << lulzies
1012069;1423350766;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1D8JlOt )
1012070;1423350818;thestringpuller;lolol
1012071;1423350940;thestringpuller;really would love to watch a Comedy show inspired by the work of ALF
1012072;1423350944;thestringpuller;we can call it AFL
1012073;1423350946;thestringpuller;ALF*
1012074;1423350962;thestringpuller;https://ip.bitcointalk.org/?u=http%3A%2F%2Fmen.hotnews.bg%2Fuploads%2Ftinymce%2F2_alf.jpg&t=549&c=1T2zcHV8YJdx_g
1012075;1423350991;asciilifeform;^ lol, cross of 'et' and boar ?
1012076;1423351072;ben_vulpes;<mircea_popescu> [] how do you plan to use it w/o a wallet ? << gotta move all the transaction generation logic out of the turd. implies a database replacement using something that can actually be queried, not a braindamaged k/v store.
1012077;1423351194;ben_vulpes;<mircea_popescu> [] like, the node, which is an always on demon, and then various things connecting to it : such as other nodes, on the eth card, or the user, always on the specifically delegated interface, etc ? << working towards this is the root my plaintive cries about what it means to "bitcoinate"
1012078;1423351347;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 105400 @ 0.00041061 = 43.2783 BTC [-]
1012079;1423351447;thestringpuller;ben_vulpes: heard something about your city today lol
1012080;1423351463;ben_vulpes;something indescribeably stupid, no doubt
1012081;1423351476;thestringpuller;i guess. they said the city is a hipster factory.
1012082;1423351508;ben_vulpes;who?
1012083;1423351644;ben_vulpes;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=07-02-2015#1011593, http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=07-02-2015#1011595 << /me raises his hand
1012084;1423351644;assbot;Logged on 07-02-2015 06:06:39; mircea_popescu: ironically, irc was a big thing when i was a teen. then pretty much forgot about it. only rediscovered it in a frustrated attempt to make sense of the ever mounting idiocy that bitcoin appeared to be.
1012085;1423351644;assbot;Logged on 07-02-2015 06:06:54; danielpbarron: hah same here
1012086;1423351818;thestringpuller;ben_vulpes: buddy of mine who works at the intel plant up there.
1012087;1423351837;thestringpuller;he was like "I've become a hipster even though I was an anti-hipster"
1012088;1423351880;thestringpuller;so they brainwashing people out there ben_vulpes ?
1012089;1423351956;ben_vulpes;<asciilifeform> [] http://www.universalsubtitles.org/en/videos/rcQaef4yYJyn/info/moia-masterskaia  << charming
1012090;1423351957;assbot;Моя мастерская with subtitles | Amara ... ( http://bit.ly/1D8LfPk )
1012091;1423351983;ben_vulpes;"common household tools"
1012092;1423352038;ben_vulpes;hah and of course a windows machine
1012093;1423352049;ben_vulpes;these old fab hands and their msboxen
1012094;1423352071;ben_vulpes;thestringpuller: D1X can do strange things to a man.
1012095;1423352081;ben_vulpes;but uh normally the fab does not produce hipsters, no.
1012096;1423352174;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: the non-obvious tidbit in the film is that the man can afford those digs without being especially loaded
1012097;1423352220;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: one could get a similar space in some parts of usa, but it would be under 24/7 orc siege and security costs for parity with the pictured workshop would dwarf the rent
1012098;1423352247;ben_vulpes;i did notice the door was unlocked.
1012099;1423352267;asciilifeform;not much of a door, either
1012100;1423352269;ben_vulpes;right
1012101;1423352328;thestringpuller;asciilifeform: define orc
1012102;1423352336;ben_vulpes;fwiw there aren't many orcs in the rural bits of ussa, and one can shoot trespassers on sign in those provinces too
1012103;1423352363;asciilifeform;^ we've seen what happens to folks who actually try
1012104;1423352384;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 92300 @ 0.00042263 = 39.0087 BTC [+]
1012105;1423352397;ben_vulpes;most recently, we've seen what happens to people who shoot each other in the suburbs
1012106;1423352404;asciilifeform;perhaps if the tresspasser is white/anglo, it is overlooked.
1012107;1423352427;thestringpuller;it's okay to shoot a nigga in the hood.
1012108;1423352438;thestringpuller;when you shoot him in the suburbs, everyone loses their shit.
1012109;1423352440;ben_vulpes;out in the woods, the sop (as i understand it, not having pulled this particular hat trick myself) is to fire a warning shot, shoot the invader, and then call the sherrif.
1012110;1423352456;asciilifeform;but notice that the pictured workshop is not built into the man's home, presumably he is not present there 24/7.
1012111;1423352478;ben_vulpes;what is different there? why no orcs or plunderers?
1012112;1423352484;asciilifeform;when i said 'security cost', it does not necessarily refer to tanks or rockets
1012113;1423352488;thestringpuller;!s orc
1012114;1423352489;assbot;50 results for 'orc' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=orc
1012115;1423352496;ben_vulpes;actually asciilifeform i contest this stance
1012116;1423352505;ben_vulpes;i've worked in minimally secured shops
1012117;1423352513;ben_vulpes;with tens of thousands of dollars in hardware
1012118;1423352518;ben_vulpes;and more in fancy woods
1012119;1423352536;ben_vulpes;subspace in busy warehouse, not much by way of rent or opportunities for theft.
1012120;1423352556;asciilifeform;'nobody knows this is not a warehouse full of old shoes' is not 'minimally secured'
1012121;1423352562;asciilifeform;it's the best security there is.
1012122;1423352611;asciilifeform;but the workshop fella posted that to 'youtube' and was not afraid of being robbed. (however, long after, he since moved, to a larger space, iirc.)
1012123;1423352658;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: your warehouse had heat? 3-phase current? private apartment out of sight of other tenants ?
1012124;1423352670;asciilifeform;and a total lack of draconian conditions in lease ?
1012125;1423352691;asciilifeform;e.g., were you free to live in and legally receive mail there, if you wished ?
1012126;1423352709;ben_vulpes;people lived there yeah
1012127;1423352724;ben_vulpes;and yes, there was 3-phase.
1012128;1423352733;ben_vulpes;decent shaper requires 3-phase.
1012129;1423352744;ben_vulpes;granted, we had to run it from the mains entry point *ourselves*
1012130;1423352774;ben_vulpes;and the guy who ran the place had his own out-of-sight apartment that was rarely shown to other tenants
1012131;1423352785;ben_vulpes;lease was month-to-month
1012132;1423352816;ben_vulpes;i grow to suspect that you see all of the ussa as a homogenous enforcement environment.
1012133;1423352827;asciilifeform;sounds very spiffy, but i notice ben_vulpes is referring to this business arrangement in the past tense
1012134;1423352832;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: why'd you leave ?
1012135;1423352837;ben_vulpes;which makes sense, coming from an inhabitant of the Forbidden City
1012136;1423352860;ben_vulpes;asciilifeform: career change.
1012137;1423352875;asciilifeform;so, not so cheap that one could budget it as lunch money ?
1012138;1423352884;ben_vulpes;the risk of losing my hands was not worth the pay.
1012139;1423352896;asciilifeform;i mean, to keep the space for pleasure
1012140;1423352927;ben_vulpes;for a man with income, surely.
1012141;1423352934;ben_vulpes;a pauper like myself, though?
1012142;1423352974;*;asciilifeform not so foolish as to think about 'homogeneous enforcement environments', knows that there are, e.g., vast deserts in usa where folks set off trucks full of dynamite for amusement, etc.
1012143;1423352987;ben_vulpes;"drive by shooting gallery"!!
1012144;1423353020;ben_vulpes;http://blip.tv/weird-america/weird-america-the-drive-by-shooting-gallery-446214
1012145;1423353022;assbot;Watch Weird America :- The Drive-by Shooting Gallery -: | Weird America Episodes | Learning Videos | Blip ... ( http://bit.ly/1D8MKwW )
1012146;1423353044;asciilifeform;it all exists, yes. and the folks who live there are almost qualified to graduate out of usa.
1012147;1423353157;ben_vulpes;asciilifeform: what is it about that place that provides for space and security at such a low cost?
1012148;1423353165;ben_vulpes;for that matter, where is it?
1012149;1423353179;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: leningrad
1012150;1423353187;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: aka st petersburg, petrograd
1012151;1423353197;ben_vulpes;mwell
1012152;1423353213;asciilifeform;i don't know the author personally, no. he's just a blogger.
1012153;1423353240;asciilifeform;and what provides for security is that he lives in (laugh, but) the civilized world
1012154;1423353251;ben_vulpes;i'll not laugh, no.
1012155;1423353255;ben_vulpes;not at a term i don't understand.
1012156;1423353295;ben_vulpes;what do you mean by "civilized world"?
1012157;1423353321;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: at the risk of circularity, the place where you can easily make the kind of arrangement pictured in the film.
1012158;1423353341;asciilifeform;notice that the author had no trouble procuring modern tools
1012159;1423353355;asciilifeform;or materials with which to work
1012160;1423353380;ben_vulpes;is the typical american to expect those to be hard to come by in the "civilized world"?
1012161;1423353421;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-01-2015#997076
1012162;1423353421;assbot;Logged on 29-01-2015 06:26:04; mircea_popescu: i live in the sticks.
1012163;1423353524;asciilifeform;i distinctly recall that machine tools are uncommonly difficult to obtain in ar, for example
1012164;1423353548;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-06-2014#723925
1012165;1423353548;assbot;Logged on 18-06-2014 22:22:37; benkay: the word i got was that large, tech-heavy equipment gets stalled at the border.
1012166;1423353583;asciilifeform;(see also other threads re: same)
1012167;1423353648;ben_vulpes;mircea_popescu originally contested the difficulty of importing heavy things, saying it was a problem of the poorly networked
1012168;1423353658;ben_vulpes;but now says he can't even get a pogo shipped in.
1012169;1423353663;asciilifeform;-everything- is a problem of the poorly networked.
1012170;1423353690;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: it most certainly cannot be true that he cannot get a pogo shipped in. but quite likely true that he cannot get a pogo shipped in for 18 usd per.
1012171;1423353733;asciilifeform;for sufficient price, can get an elephant shipped into pyongyang or south pole.
1012172;1423353802;ben_vulpes;sure.
1012173;1423353830;ben_vulpes;<adlai> [] this is actually why i suggested that for an mpif pc, it'd make the most sense to run the bot on s.mpoe itself << i admire the guys persistence
1012174;1423354275;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 93900 @ 0.00042309 = 39.7282 BTC [+]
1012175;1423354739;davout;http://bitcoinstats.com/irc/bitcoin-dev/logs/2015/01/20#l1421789919 <<< my fucking sides
1012176;1423354740;assbot;BitcoinStats ... ( http://bit.ly/1D8OUN1 )
1012177;1423354813;adlai;ben_vulpes: context is http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=07-11-2014#913052, the thing is usable, i'm trying to get people to use it. maybe not the most tactful, but i don't have my own pr lady (yet)
1012178;1423354813;assbot;Logged on 07-11-2014 01:18:27; mircea_popescu: there is exactly one avenue to do that : make it so good some actual trader starts using it, after which go work for him.
1012179;1423354902;ben_vulpes;oh i get it!
1012180;1423354909;ben_vulpes;i'm just saying that i admire your persistence.
1012181;1423354920;adlai;thank you :)
1012182;1423355166;jurov;yea, adlai keeps suggesting and saying "but it requires" ... perhaps one day someone'll make his code working and he'll be left with nice fuzzy feeling
1012183;1423355454;*;adlai wonders whether that quite does him justice, but arguing on irc gives less of a fuzzy feeling than becoming that someone
1012184;1423355743;jurov;you seem to avoid at any costs mentioning concrete terms to potential investors in this chan
1012185;1423355945;adlai;i'm not set on a specific configuration for how such terms would look; i'm interested to see what works for them. mircea_popescu outlined the terms he offers people who manage profit centers, and it seems that he's not willing at this stage to risk an amount which is worth my time to manage, and this is understandable
1012186;1423355979;adlai;so at this point i'm working further on my code, and waiting to see if anybody interested in using it has terms in mind already
1012187;1423356024;adlai;i'm not going to declare in advance that i want X% of profits, or a Y% upfront fee, if that's what you're looking for
1012188;1423356027;danielpbarron;dude, take the small amount and build some rep; what's with all the whining?
1012189;1423356040;*;adlai is doing this, shuts up
1012190;1423356508;kakobrekla;http://www.raspberrypi.org/forums/viewtopic.php?f=28&t=99042
1012191;1423356508;assbot;Raspberry Pi • View topic - Why is the PI2 camera-shy ? ... ( http://bit.ly/1DrqIpv )
1012192;1423356546;kakobrekla;quite the lulz there
1012193;1423356591;asciilifeform;kakobrekla: all transistors are phototransistors.
1012194;1423356640;asciilifeform;kakobrekla: and, as shown here, 'opaque' plastic - isn't necessarily ideally opaque
1012195;1423356652;asciilifeform;just as, say, your fingers are not (get a flashlight and see if didn't remember this)
1012196;1423356946;kakobrekla;yet this normally doesnt hapen
1012197;1423356949;kakobrekla;happen
1012198;1423356986;asciilifeform;kakobrekla: unusually chinese ic package, would be a reasonable hypothesis.
1012199;1423357001;asciilifeform;kakobrekla: this kind of thing was not unheard of in the old days of windowed uv-erasable eprom.
1012200;1423357013;asciilifeform;(would lose the occasional bits)
1012201;1423357017;kakobrekla;stickerfail?
1012202;1423357044;asciilifeform;didn't always have a cover
1012203;1423360802;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 41050 @ 0.00042263 = 17.349 BTC [-]
1012204;1423360907;*;mircea_popescu waves at all the people.
1012205;1423361198;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform he could have been lord curzon II, or else he could have been the Russian Lafayette.
1012206;1423361212;mircea_popescu;this "british socialist, tour of derpage in spain" thing is wormtalk.
1012207;1423361282;mircea_popescu;"oh i hate shootin gelephants and the empire is too heavy ; oh how the latrines stink" is really not adequate for one over the age of about 15.
1012208;1423361318;mircea_popescu;danielpbarron: better than refreshing a faucet << pretty much teh point.
1012209;1423361610;mircea_popescu;trinque: how many countries have to be fighting a war for the phrase "world war" to apply? <<< ww1 was instituted by gallup poll.
1012210;1423361665;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform: 'we've never heard of you' <<< i'll insure against that one, for cheap.
1012211;1423361739;trinque;mircea_popescu: maybe they'll crowdsource a sweet name for wwiii from reddit this time
1012212;1423361741;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes: there are all of these things that make sense in the context of it, but... <<< i come fresh from a three hour session of discussing eulora game model with c people.
1012213;1423361768;mircea_popescu;i can sort-of read c++ and i comprehend computers, but jesus christ was it fighting against us.
1012214;1423361784;mircea_popescu;on the positive side, mining's also nailed down.
1012215;1423361789;mircea_popescu;an' it rocks.
1012216;1423361844;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes: my plaintive cries << it's not a bad plan i don't think.
1012217;1423362085;ben_vulpes;cart before the horse until the db's replaced
1012218;1423362209;mircea_popescu;myeah.
1012219;1423362235;mircea_popescu;the great debate of "with what" is eagerly awaited. im even working to import two (2) popcorns for the occasion.
1012220;1423362301;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform: i distinctly recall that machine tools are uncommonly difficult to obtain in ar, for example << do i need to show you pictures of the casa del transformador again ?
1012221;1423362351;mircea_popescu;or tell you about how on reports about "power outages" i had all sortos of arrangements in place, including the option to have a container generator installed (worth about 3mw)
1012222;1423362360;mircea_popescu;that i never ended up using because... there hasn't yet been a power outage.
1012223;1423362361;ben_vulpes;first gotta resolve the "embedded" vs "external" question
1012224;1423362437;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: it most certainly cannot be true that he cannot get a pogo shipped in. but quite likely true that he cannot get a pogo shipped in for 18 usd per. <<< it doesn't even reach that. the value of ME running pogos is minimal. there are N+k**p things i can do to halp bitcoin.
1012225;1423362453;mircea_popescu;there are, however, bunches (i'm told) of people who would like to do something, but for reasons of barrier of entry, can not.
1012226;1423362456;mircea_popescu;for they, the pogo.
1012227;1423362491;mircea_popescu;it's pretty much the lowest "i did something positive for the world i live in" barrier they'll ever meet.
1012228;1423362554;mircea_popescu;that said, i'll definitely run a few myself.
1012229;1423362629;ben_vulpes;wasn't reaaaally the topic iirc
1012230;1423362632;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 64842 @ 0.00042309 = 27.434 BTC [+]
1012231;1423362693;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 104753 @ 0.00042349 = 44.3618 BTC [+]
1012232;1423362701;mircea_popescu;well i dunno what teh topic really was cause i'm not so sure i said what it seems to be the case i said or something
1012233;1423362721;ben_vulpes;but you mention a 3mw gennie, so that's relevant
1012234;1423362746;mircea_popescu;as you might imagine, it's more expensive to run than just use the grid.
1012235;1423362757;mircea_popescu;however, the point is more along the lines of "solutions exist"
1012236;1423362796;ben_vulpes;more relevantly "can be acquired"
1012237;1423362816;mircea_popescu;actually you can get it on lease, and on quite excellent terms. with any luck, BY DAY.
1012238;1423362916;ben_vulpes;how does renting a backup generator by the day make sense?
1012239;1423362925;ben_vulpes;once you need it so does the rest of town.
1012240;1423362925;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform: kakobrekla: and, as shown here, 'opaque' plastic - isn't necessarily ideally opaque << actually, only metals are opaque properly.
1012241;1423362931;mircea_popescu;which kinda is what the definition of metal is.
1012242;1423362951;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes perhaps you don't understand what "the town" means.
1012243;1423362958;mircea_popescu;buenos aires is larger than north carolina.
1012244;1423363054;mircea_popescu;(not really, but w/e, 2k sqkm or something).
1012245;1423363363;mircea_popescu;if the whole thing's out of power your problems are probably closer to finding enough ak47s rather than generators.
1012246;1423363483;ben_vulpes;yeah. i get it
1012247;1423363486;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 59700 @ 0.00042247 = 25.2215 BTC [-] {2} 
1012248;1423363546;mircea_popescu;no no allow me to belabour teh point moar :D
1012249;1423363592;mircea_popescu;because these logs were INSUFFICIENT i swear. i leave for a full few hours and what do i get ? NOTHING
1012250;1423363999;mircea_popescu;" In 1936 it was clear to everyone that if Britain would only help the Spanish Government, even to the extent of a few million pounds' worth of arms, Franco would collapse and German strategy would be severely dislocated. By that time one did not need to be a clairvoyant to foresee that war between Britain and Germany was coming; one could even foretell within a year or two when it would come. Yet in the most mean, cow
1012251;1423363999;mircea_popescu;ardly, hypocritical way the British ruling class did all they could to hand Spain over to Franco and the Nazis. Why? Because they were pro-Fascist, was the obvious answer."
1012252;1423364026;mircea_popescu;this is actually a fair analysis, i suspect. cca 1936, stalin was pro hitler, lord halifax was, undeclaratively, but essentially, pro hitler. everyone was pro hitler.
1012253;1423364048;mircea_popescu;to go from there to fuhrerbunker in less than a decade... you need a real idiot for such a thing.
1012254;1423364190;mircea_popescu;!up benjamindees
1012255;1423364213;benjamindees;<benjamindees> meth is a hell of a drug
1012256;1423364219;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 87900 @ 0.00042125 = 37.0279 BTC [-]
1012257;1423364249;mircea_popescu;you starting silk road 5.0 ?
1012258;1423364265;benjamindees;since I'm not the CIA... no
1012259;1423364302;benjamindees;I was referring to Hitler.
1012260;1423364374;mircea_popescu;and to add to that, hearst & co were DEFINITELY pro hitler.
1012261;1423364379;mircea_popescu;heck, ford even got decorated for it.
1012262;1423364415;mircea_popescu;benjamindees iirc he did cocaine, not really meth
1012263;1423364537;asciilifeform;morell fed him both on occasions
1012264;1423364543;asciilifeform;this is, iirc, well-established.
1012265;1423364593;asciilifeform;3mw gensets << those, one can get in zimbabwe
1012266;1423364603;asciilifeform;just a bus without wheels, really
1012267;1423364617;asciilifeform;scientific instruments - different ballgame.
1012268;1423364689;mircea_popescu;except they CANT be had in the us.
1012269;1423364698;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: the value of ME running pogos is minimal. there are N+k**p things i can d << lol, we know these were for friends, not mircea_popescu's house
1012270;1423364750;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: except they CANT be had in the us << tell that to kanzure, or any of the ten thousand folks like asciilifeform but moar-loaded.
1012271;1423364762;asciilifeform;ebay hunting for usg surplus tech is a national sport.
1012272;1423364764;mircea_popescu;if tomorrow your street loses power, you can't simply ordered a truck without wheels dropped in front of your property. for various pseudolegal and regtulatory reasons that essentrialy reduce to
1012273;1423364769;mircea_popescu;"zek may not use or display power"
1012274;1423364786;asciilifeform;lol! everybody on the street (but me, apparently) owns a genset
1012275;1423364805;mircea_popescu;mebbe i am confused as to how things actually work thar.
1012276;1423364808;asciilifeform;perhaps in some ultra-fascist locale like Mass.?
1012277;1423364814;mircea_popescu;is wash dc different ?
1012278;1423364815;asciilifeform;or san fran
1012279;1423364821;benjamindees;yeah, you can find a large military surplus generator for cheap, but 3MW is pretty large
1012280;1423364826;*;asciilifeform lives outside the city limits of wash.d.c. proper
1012281;1423364832;mircea_popescu;oh well then obv.,
1012282;1423364843;asciilifeform;3MW is a railroad car.
1012283;1423364855;mircea_popescu;not these days, notrly.
1012284;1423364868;mircea_popescu;engines have apparently improved drastically.
1012285;1423364878;asciilifeform;engine+tank
1012286;1423364915;asciilifeform;quite a few office parks around here have gensets. through a quirk of bureaucracy, they were made mandatory at one point
1012287;1423364928;asciilifeform;normally only connected to hallway lights & elevators, though.
1012288;1423364936;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform not at all what i mean.
1012289;1423364945;mircea_popescu;i mean order. not prepared. order. when you feel like.
1012290;1423364948;mircea_popescu;drop in street. on curb.
1012291;1423364960;mircea_popescu;this is the important part here. not that "in principle could be had"
1012292;1423364962;asciilifeform;we have those too. typically found at construction sites.
1012293;1423364967;mircea_popescu;"could be had when you decide, on your own terms"
1012294;1423364974;asciilifeform;advertised for rental, like bulldozers & excavators.
1012295;1423364992;mircea_popescu;aha so same thing then
1012296;1423364993;*;asciilifeform has not priced
1012297;1423365037;asciilifeform;but wanted to point to the difference between a ubiquitous piece of construction equipment (SOP for electric welders at large sites) and something like a 6-axis cnc mill
1012298;1423365050;asciilifeform;or ir spectrometer
1012299;1423365081;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform the thing is, argentina-chinese trade relations are about as close as us-canada
1012300;1423365087;mircea_popescu;if the chinese make it, it can be had here.
1012301;1423365120;*;asciilifeform can picture this
1012302;1423365170;mircea_popescu;in fact argentina is about as close you can get to china without having to fuck azn looking women.
1012303;1423365203;*;asciilifeform does not often have praise for usa, but cannot deny that it is a first-class graveyard for surplus golden toilet tech - e.g., machines like the 'tecan 200' (see ancient thread) originally costing 1/3 $mil can be had for ~5-10k usd, etc.
1012304;1423365247;asciilifeform;to the point that the limiting factor is finding climate-controlled floor space for them
1012305;1423365251;mircea_popescu;now that sort of thing is probably a lot iffier.
1012306;1423365264;mircea_popescu;obviously a scavenger civilisation will hafta be built on top of the previous cities.
1012307;1423365351;*;asciilifeform goes off to check on roaring propane heater; if water bottle thawed, workshop is habitable
1012308;1423365378;ben_vulpes;asciilifeform: do you use radiant or forced air?
1012309;1423365401;benjamindees;asciilifeform, my surplus junk lives outside /shrug
1012310;1423365427;mircea_popescu;"Kipling is in the peculiar position of having been a byword for fifty years. During five literary generations every enlightened person has despised him, and at the end of that time nine-tenths of those enlightened persons are forgotten and Kipling is in some sense still there."
1012311;1423365428;mircea_popescu;bwahaha
1012312;1423365520;mircea_popescu;"It is no use pretending that Kipling's view of life, as a whole, can be accepted or even forgiven by any civilized person. It is no use claiming, for instance, that when Kipling describes a British soldier beating a 'nigger' with a cleaning rod in order to get money out of him, he is acting merely as a reporter and does not necessarily approve what he describes. There is not the slightest sign anywhere in Kipling's wo
1012313;1423365525;mircea_popescu;rk that he disapproves of that kind of conduct�on the contrary, there is a definite strain of sadism in him, over and above the brutality which a writer of that type has to have. Kipling is a jingo imperialist, he is morally insensitive and aesthetically disgusting. It is better to start by admitting that, and then to try to find out why it is that he survives while the refined people who have sniggered at him seem t
1012314;1423365530;mircea_popescu;o wear so badly."
1012315;1423365531;mircea_popescu;there you go, asciilifeform, re the orwellworm thread. he perfectly well knows what the problem is.
1012316;1423365536;mircea_popescu;"how dare man live like man! UNFORGIVABRU!!!1"
1012317;1423367329;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 104041 @ 0.00041927 = 43.6213 BTC [-] {2} 
1012318;1423368367;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 82000 @ 0.00041061 = 33.67 BTC [-]
1012319;1423368549;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 179200 @ 0.00040825 = 73.1584 BTC [-] {4} 
1012320;1423369233;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: radiant or forced air << yard shed. portable furnace thing.
1012321;1423369314;asciilifeform;;;bc,stats
1012322;1423369317;gribble;Current Blocks: 342511 | Current Difficulty: 4.127287389469702E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 342719 | Next Difficulty In: 208 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 day, 7 hours, and 22 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 44950465076.1 | Estimated Percent Change: 8.91043
1012323;1423369329;asciilifeform;308821.
1012324;1423369552;asciilifeform;!s gettrust assbot benjamindees
1012325;1423369553;assbot;0 results for 'gettrust assbot benjamindees' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=gettrust+assbot+benjamindees
1012326;1423369558;asciilifeform;!gettrust assbot benjamindees
1012327;1423369558;assbot;benjamindees is not registered in WoT.
1012328;1423369735;thestringpuller;;;tslb
1012329;1423369744;gribble;Time since last block: 12 minutes and 21 seconds
1012330;1423369760;decimation;re: generators < the power is so unreliable in many areas on the east coast that many folks have a propane or natural gas powered generator permanently installed at their house
1012331;1423369801;asciilifeform;those who don't, typically own a small (5-10kW) genset on wheels
1012332;1423369831;asciilifeform;except for poor schmucks who live in flats, those sit out mains outages in their cars.
1012333;1423369867;decimation;re: 3mw genset < yeah that's basically a diesel-electric locomotive
1012334;1423369874;decimation;the military has generators in a 'standard container'
1012335;1423369894;decimation;asciilifeform: I have a small 2 kw job that runs on propane, to run essentials 'just in case'
1012336;1423369912;decimation;why propane?  can be stored for a decade; doesn't leave nasty shit in the engine
1012337;1423369993;decimation;generator container >> http://www.generatorcontainer.com/gallery1.htm << even has price in bezzlars!
1012338;1423369994;assbot;Generator Container Industrial Diesel Containers ... ( http://bit.ly/1IsloGV )
1012339;1423370029;decimation;ah but those come sans generator
1012340;1423370059;decimation;at any rate, perfectly common industrial tool
1012341;1423370572;decimation;re: law enforcement deserts < https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LU8sEJq3jR4 < gentlemen shooting various objects (including propane tank) in the middle of the freakin' desert
1012342;1423370573;assbot;CZ 7.62x39 vs. Coleman Propane Tank - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1IsnJ4C )
1012343;1423370706;asciilifeform;the candle - cheating!
1012344;1423370825;cazalla;why the demand for s.qntr?
1012345;1423370848;decimation;asciilifeform: heh yeah
1012346;1423372220;mircea_popescu;!up bitcoinquestinos
1012347;1423372254;bitcoinquestinos;thanks man, what is this IRC? I read about it in a blog post
1012348;1423372271;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform> those who don't, typically own a small (5-10kW) genset on wheels << i have no idea what this would do. suppose a 2kw air conditioner unit, or fridge, or even washing machine.
1012349;1423372288;mircea_popescu;capacitive charge being what it is, the 2kw would serve for what exactly ?
1012350;1423372299;mircea_popescu;bitcoinquestinos irc is a way to talk to people
1012351;1423372301;mircea_popescu;!up BlueMatt
1012352;1423372303;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: they typically have surge rating of 5-7x
1012353;1423372318;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform the generators ?
1012354;1423372322;decimation;mircea_popescu: yeah can't run a/c but you could run fridge
1012355;1423372332;bitcoinquestinos;mircea_popescu: I know I'm asking what is the purpose of this IRC?
1012356;1423372340;mircea_popescu;decimation depending on the fridge. i think they make gen friendlier models now.
1012357;1423372348;mircea_popescu;bitcoinquestinos this is where bitcoin happens.
1012358;1423372365;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: but what're they used for: typically stands between user and death from exposure. runs furnace blower/igniter in the cold months; a window ac unit in summer; fridge, a few lights, etc.
1012359;1423372391;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform yeah, if it's all resistive charge it's useful.
1012360;1423372392;decimation;yeah if you have a gas furnace, and you can run the blower, you can save your house water lines from freezing
1012361;1423372425;decimation;because it could take days for the incompetents to fix the power lines in poor winter weather
1012362;1423372426;mircea_popescu;otherwise i dunno what household can be run on 5kw (bottlenecked at 1.5ish)
1012363;1423372450;asciilifeform;'skeleton' systems as described above.
1012364;1423372454;asciilifeform;that's pretty much it
1012365;1423372485;mircea_popescu;decimation eu mostly heats on gas, these micro units that mostly don't need power. either because battery or ingenious.
1012366;1423372490;bitcoinquestinos;mircea_popescu: What do you mean? Is this a place where people find the best way to spend their bitcoins so they can hold tighter?
1012367;1423372519;mircea_popescu;bitcoinquestinos mno. i mean, when it's decided that mtgox dies, it;s decided here.
1012368;1423372530;mircea_popescu;when it's decided gavin is of no further utility for bitcoin, it's decided here.
1012369;1423372540;decimation;mircea_popescu: is it hydronic heat?
1012370;1423372542;mircea_popescu;whenever something happens, or doesn't happen, it starts or doesn't start here.
1012371;1423372561;mircea_popescu;decimation i have nfi what that is ? but no, either keep a pilot going, or w/e.
1012372;1423372584;decimation;in the us gas heat is common, but typical large us house has a 'forced air' system that moves heated air around the house
1012373;1423372586;mircea_popescu;decimation a yes, turns out it is!
1012374;1423372595;bitcoinquestinos;mircea_propescu: Is everyone here anonymous?
1012375;1423372596;mircea_popescu;nah, in europe it's a water pipes and radiators.
1012376;1423372605;decimation;forced air is 'cheaper' to install
1012377;1423372605;mircea_popescu;bitcoinquestinos you are anonymous. i'm not.
1012378;1423372612;decimation;otherwise it's a worse solution
1012379;1423372612;mircea_popescu;not better in any sense tho.
1012380;1423372629;asciilifeform;bitcoinquestinos: about half the people here have www sites with human name, contact info, etc.
1012381;1423372637;decimation;yeah if all you need to do is heat boiler, then you don't need electricity
1012382;1423372641;mircea_popescu;my house in timisoara, the heating system held about a ton of water in the pipes and radiative elements. took about an hour to cool a coupla degrees.
1012383;1423372655;mircea_popescu;decimation you sort-of need it for the pump, but it's not so much.
1012384;1423372670;asciilifeform;about ~100W
1012385;1423372676;decimation;this is very uncommon in the us, except for old homes
1012386;1423372688;*;asciilifeform used to live in an early-1900s house with this type of furnace
1012387;1423372690;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform and since it runs maybe five times a day for a quarter of an hour, battery's quite feasible.
1012388;1423372711;decimation;yeah if i had to provide backup power for something like that, would use UPS
1012389;1423372715;bitcoinquestinos;mircea_propescu: What makes you say when Mt gox dies it's decided here?
1012390;1423372715;asciilifeform;you actually had it on batteries?!
1012391;1423372721;mircea_popescu;bitcoinquestinos history.
1012392;1423372741;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform no, but then again i never had a power outage. if they happened, ups would work fine.
1012393;1423372753;mircea_popescu;more expensive units come with their own batteries
1012394;1423372759;mircea_popescu;(mostly for the co detector tho)
1012395;1423372768;bitcoinquestinos;mircea_propescu: Can you be more specific?
1012396;1423372786;mircea_popescu;bitcoinquestinos i could, but so far i'm not particulrly inclined. the logs are in the topic, peruse at your leisure.
1012397;1423372802;decimation;part of the other reason 'forced air' heat is common in the us is because air conditioning is considered to be a requirement
1012398;1423372814;mircea_popescu;six months or a year down the road, we can continue this conversation in a better position.
1012399;1423372847;mircea_popescu;decimation i kinda wonder why water circulating systems aren't used for cooling much.
1012400;1423372861;mircea_popescu;it'd prolly work better than air systems.
1012401;1423372872;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: condensation.
1012402;1423372879;asciilifeform;among other reasons
1012403;1423372890;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform condensation happens in acs too, what.
1012404;1423372903;asciilifeform;there, it happens in an enclosed space, above a drain.
1012405;1423372904;decimation;yeah, but it's controlled in one spot
1012406;1423372925;mircea_popescu;it doesn't have to be MUCH colder to extract heat.
1012407;1423372940;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu clearly does not live in swampland
1012408;1423372948;asciilifeform;ac is only half about heat
1012409;1423372953;mircea_popescu;hm
1012410;1423372958;asciilifeform;humidity is the real hell.
1012411;1423372960;mircea_popescu;i guess that'd have to be it.
1012412;1423372966;decimation;aye
1012413;1423373004;asciilifeform;humidity is what keeps your natural 'ac' - sweat - from doing much good
1012414;1423373060;decimation;also considered purely in energy efficiency terms, a 'heat pump' is most efficient for heating, and can be 'run backwards' for cooling
1012415;1423373086;asciilifeform;whether a heat pump is good economics or lunacy depends on the region
1012416;1423373090;decimation;the problem is that air source heat pumps can only heat down to a certain ambient temperature
1012417;1423373092;decimation;aye
1012418;1423373108;decimation;I have a friend who swears by the new mitsubishi air source heat pumps
1012419;1423373133;*;asciilifeform had heat pump in old flat, about 1/3 the size of new house (gas furnace there), actually cost more to run the heat pump
1012420;1423373141;asciilifeform;for roughly similar type of wooden hovel
1012421;1423373192;decimation;they claim to heat (without resistive elements) down to 5 F
1012422;1423373195;asciilifeform;natural gas is considerably cheaper, in this part of the world, than equiv. via heatpump.
1012423;1423373213;decimation;asciilifeform:  the heat pump was probably turning on bigass resistor for 'emergency heat'
1012424;1423373232;asciilifeform;decimation: i had it configured to show precisely which mechanism was running at a given time
1012425;1423373242;asciilifeform;(aftermarket controller. i take it from flat to flat)
1012426;1423373256;asciilifeform;it wasn't the resistive heater
1012427;1423373269;asciilifeform;but the fact that heat pump can only extract so much at a given external temp
1012428;1423373286;decimation;the newer japanese units can achieve amazing coefficients of performance
1012429;1423373286;assbot;AMAZING COMPANY!
1012430;1423373313;asciilifeform;and they are to be found where in usa? warren buffett's house ?
1012431;1423373325;*;kakobrekla has one
1012432;1423373327;decimation;said mitsubishi unit
1012433;1423373338;decimation;typically the most efficient ones are 'mini-split' systems
1012434;1423373378;decimation;which would be somewhat useless in a house already fitted with ducts, granted
1012435;1423373379;*;asciilifeform takes a very limited interest in exotic hvac tech, as he does not own his buildings, and never will
1012436;1423373415;decimation;hvac is a particular kind of chumpatron in the usa
1012437;1423373424;bitcoinquestinos;mircea_popescu: what is http://mpex.co/
1012438;1423373437;decimation;only a few factories manufacturer the equipment, and they usually only sell to 'licensed installers'
1012439;1423373455;asciilifeform;and the junk is typically built to last about one decade.
1012440;1423373460;kakobrekla;mitsubishi is the shit as far as these heatpumps go
1012441;1423373472;decimation;kakobrekla: do you have a mini-split system?
1012442;1423373560;decimation;for the interested reader, some theory on heat pumps is here: http://www.withouthotair.com/cE/page_301.shtml
1012443;1423373561;assbot;Ch E Page 301: Sustainable Energy - without the hot air | David MacKay ... ( http://bit.ly/1xMBmAj )
1012444;1423373627;mircea_popescu;decimation yeah heat pumps seem a lot better deal than any alternative, yet the least commonly used.
1012445;1423373657;mircea_popescu;and in principle can heat/cool to any arbitrary temperature, as long as your compressor's up to it.
1012446;1423373660;decimation;well, in the case of the us (as asciilifeform mentioned) natural gas is much cheaper to install and pretty cheap to run
1012447;1423373671;mircea_popescu;but gas + ac ?
1012448;1423373678;decimation;yes, that's very common
1012449;1423373686;decimation;which is kinda retarded
1012450;1423373686;mircea_popescu;but is it still cheaper, i mean.
1012451;1423373712;TheNewDeal;;;market sell 666
1012452;1423373712;gribble;Bitstamp | A market order to sell 666 bitcoins right now would net 148999.9978 USD and would take the last price down to 223.2300 USD, resulting in an average price of 223.7237 USD/BTC. | Data vintage: 0.0119 seconds
1012453;1423373712;kakobrekla;decimation we have a heat pump for radiators and hot water for the house and for air i have a separate inverter unit with one external and two internal units.
1012454;1423373732;mircea_popescu;kako lives in the house of teh future.
1012455;1423373738;decimation;kakobrekla: yeah I bet that's pretty cheap to run
1012456;1423373741;decimation;but not so cheap to install
1012457;1423373743;*;kakobrekla not leaving house
1012458;1423373765;mircea_popescu;decimation but if one's principal equity is the house, a la us, then it makes sense.
1012459;1423373832;decimation;mircea_popescu: the irony is that for many us citizens, their house is their biggest 'savings account', yet very few consider any other option than what the builder 'decided'
1012460;1423373846;mircea_popescu;rather strange, n'est pas.
1012461;1423373914;mircea_popescu;leaving alone the weirdness of keeping most of your capital in a nonproductive asset (hey, that's made to be through purely government interventionist means), not even pretend like you're managing it ?
1012462;1423373954;decimation;well, one of the reasons that things are this way is because the 'trades' have a pretty strong chokehold on what gets done
1012463;1423373977;mircea_popescu;that's another thing. hire a plumber so he tells you what to do ?!
1012464;1423373978;bitcoinquestinos;What do you guys think is the best capital to acquire?
1012465;1423373985;asciilifeform;yes, gas plus ac
1012466;1423374012;asciilifeform;it is typically built as a system of wall ducts/grilles and massive blower in the cellar (in my case, attic)
1012467;1423374021;mircea_popescu;bitcoinquestinos http://trilema.com/2013/bitcoin-assets-rules-and-regulations/ (2.a. of particular interest to you).
1012468;1423374022;assbot;#bitcoin-assets rules and regulations pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.  ... ( http://bit.ly/13Yy3yb )
1012469;1423374044;decimation;w.r.t. home builders, any home that's younger than 30-40 years has been built in a carefully-managed chumpatronic environment
1012470;1423374055;asciilifeform;the blower has a steel heat exchanger inside, which is either heated with gas fires or chilled with freon loop, as the season goes
1012471;1423374057;mircea_popescu;or for that matter, older than about 60.
1012472;1423374061;mircea_popescu;or i guess in between
1012473;1423374064;decimation;yeah, that's fair
1012474;1423374069;decimation;although it's been getting worse
1012475;1423374089;asciilifeform;if one's principal equity is the house << depends which flavour of chumpitude one prefers
1012476;1423374110;asciilifeform;the house i live in is a massive roaring bonfire for money
1012477;1423374111;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform that should be some pretty cool steel, that happily takes 100 degree differentials over decades.
1012478;1423374112;asciilifeform;(rented)
1012479;1423374150;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=08-02-2015#1012439
1012480;1423374150;assbot;Logged on 08-02-2015 05:30:55; asciilifeform: and the junk is typically built to last about one decade.
1012481;1423374165;decimation;mircea_popescu: it's considered normal for the entire system to break every year or two, typically requiring a specially licensed repairman to come out and replace the freon lines
1012482;1423374166;mircea_popescu;heh there's that.
1012483;1423374196;mircea_popescu;decimation you know, i had an old zil fridge at some point in romania, and the thing had been running for ~25 years, and it never ever leaked.
1012484;1423374199;asciilifeform;and yes, it's every bit the toilet+kitchen combo it soulds like
1012485;1423374203;asciilifeform;*sounds
1012486;1423374223;asciilifeform;i have a remote fitted to mine, and occasionally press the wrong button in half-awake trance
1012487;1423374236;asciilifeform;firing up heat in summer or chillers in winter.
1012488;1423374253;asciilifeform;zil fridge << indestructible. see old soviet fridge thread.
1012489;1423374256;asciilifeform;!s zil
1012490;1423374256;assbot;6 results for 'zil' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=zil
1012491;1423374261;mircea_popescu;http://media.englishrussia.com/new_images//zilmuseum-50.jpg << exactly the one in middle
1012492;1423374264;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1xMFD6P )
1012493;1423374264;decimation;mircea_popescu: in the us, I'm pretty sure that the manufacturers (who have an oligopoly) cheapen shit up so that it 'breaks' and requires replacement at a rate they select
1012494;1423374274;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform http://article.yeeyan.org/view/214657/182505 << check out all the soviet porn
1012495;1423374285;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: that's a recent zil
1012496;1423374290;asciilifeform;('80s?)
1012497;1423374298;mircea_popescu;no ?
1012498;1423374320;mircea_popescu;yeah the handle's not right
1012499;1423374324;asciilifeform;we had a curvy, bulbous 1950s unit, that still worked when we left it - '92
1012500;1423374326;mircea_popescu;ok, well, very similar 70s model.
1012501;1423374331;mircea_popescu;capatob ?
1012502;1423374333;asciilifeform;and a '70s 'minsk' (ditto)
1012503;1423374341;decimation;similar refrigerators were made in the us, and were similarly reliable, made before the 60's
1012504;1423374355;mircea_popescu;decimation i know, fallout's full of them :D
1012505;1423374377;decimation;this is all a chumpatron on the 'let's break everyone's window so we can stimulate the window-repair economy' model
1012506;1423374387;asciilifeform;http://holod.made-in-by.by/images/stories/zil-fridge.jpg << the True zil.
1012507;1423374389;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1xMGm8c )
1012508;1423374416;mircea_popescu;ah, that's an older model.
1012509;1423374439;asciilifeform;interestingly, this type of fridge chassis was formally banned in usa, despite giving a much tighter seal than the magnetic rubber used today
1012510;1423374448;asciilifeform;and the ban was an organized scam
1012511;1423374461;asciilifeform;one of the first 'think of the ch1ldr3nz' idiocies
1012512;1423374476;decimation;in the us, the chumpatron is often kick-started by a government regulation that is sold as 'efficient' or 'safe'
1012513;1423374505;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform funny enough, it was heard of in 80s romania. parents insistently warning kids not to do it!
1012514;1423374524;asciilifeform;probably the crap was translated into even eskimo
1012515;1423374531;asciilifeform;catchy meme.
1012516;1423374538;mircea_popescu;it is. i wonder why.
1012517;1423374547;asciilifeform;http://forums.drom.ru/house/t1151932955.html << fella wanted to buy, insisted on this same zil, promised $maxint
1012518;1423374549;assbot; Ищу холодильник ЗИЛ-Москва ЗИЛ-Днепр!!!!!! ... ( http://bit.ly/1xMHetf )
1012519;1423374557;asciilifeform;plenty of posts like this
1012520;1423374558;mircea_popescu;perhaps because parents are so acutely aware of the type of divorcement between meaning and action that trips up children.
1012521;1423374607;mircea_popescu;incidentally, the same that results in c++ bugs.
1012522;1423374614;asciilifeform;just as there are, afaik, no confirmed reports of 'glue sniffing' prior to the media chumpamatics re: same in usa
1012523;1423374618;asciilifeform;circa 1970s
1012524;1423374623;mircea_popescu;like, most of 'em. "are you sure you wish to forever lock yourself in ? well...that's what you're doing"
1012525;1423374631;mircea_popescu;"your exit pointer is now dangling"
1012526;1423374675;mircea_popescu;that's what it is. parents suspect children are about on the level of c programmers, and try to avoid any situations where reality emulates the c compiler.
1012527;1423374686;asciilifeform;http://s003.radikal.ru/i201/1108/14/507b7f02f398.jpg << can'o'sprats in bottom shelf
1012528;1423374687;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1xMI4WX )
1012529;1423374692;mircea_popescu;hahaha
1012530;1423374700;mircea_popescu;hm i had some pics of them too im sure.
1012531;1423374720;asciilifeform;parents... c compiler << obligatory: 'shall be delivered'
1012532;1423374809;asciilifeform;http://s017.radikal.ru/i427/1111/3a/913b2a83d5b1.jpg << zil... cake.
1012533;1423374810;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1xMIH2S )
1012534;1423374816;asciilifeform;^ the thing is iconic in ru
1012535;1423374922;mircea_popescu;lol
1012536;1423374937;asciilifeform;to a lesser extent also famous are other vintage home appliances, like 'buran' vacuum cleaner - http://kartmen.ru/wp-content/uploads/2013/11/20131126_162658.jpg
1012537;1423374938;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1xMJoJB )
1012538;1423374956;asciilifeform;still sits in many a summer 'dacha', used to - would you believe - gather up mosquitoes.
1012539;1423374980;asciilifeform;yes, that thing is entirely steel.
1012540;1423374993;asciilifeform;drop from a 8th story window? no problem.
1012541;1423375003;mircea_popescu;grandparents had a buran.
1012542;1423375007;decimation;asciilifeform: actually that's not a bad idea, it doesn't take much breeze to keep mosquitos away
1012543;1423375011;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: same, lol
1012544;1423375014;mircea_popescu;only thing that ever scared me. but i'd quit the room in a hurry
1012545;1423375023;asciilifeform;l0l!
1012546;1423375027;*;asciilifeform same
1012547;1423375032;mircea_popescu;and yes it had a half bowl top and a fat cylinder butt
1012548;1423375036;mircea_popescu;and sounded like a jet taking off
1012549;1423375039;asciilifeform;that thing was -loud-
1012550;1423375068;asciilifeform;only when i finally moved to current digs and got a 'shop vac' (industrial thing, picks up swarf in machine shop) finally can match 'buran'.
1012551;1423375083;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform http://trilema.com/2010/ce-bea-blogerul/ << my claim to ru citizenship
1012552;1423375083;assbot;Ce bea blogerul ? pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.  ... ( http://bit.ly/1xMJW25 )
1012553;1423375083;asciilifeform;for sheer deafening
1012554;1423375209;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: Daca as bea bere la foc continuu, pe o teava cat gatul direct in stomac, fara sa inghit, tot n-as ajunge nicaieri << this is a national sport in usa, didja know ?
1012555;1423375221;asciilifeform;the corner shop near my old flat even sold the kit
1012556;1423375243;mircea_popescu;the head mounted thing ?
1012557;1423375266;asciilifeform;http://www.boozingear.com/media/catalog/product/cache/7/thumbnail/5e06319eda06f020e43594a9c230972d/M/S/MSC-0157b/-Bongzilla-12-Pack-Beer-Bong.jpg << ad
1012558;1423375267;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1xMKJ2Z )
1012559;1423375283;asciilifeform;http://s3.amazonaws.com/rapgenius/huge-beer-bong.jpg
1012560;1423375284;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1xMKRQ4 )
1012561;1423375284;asciilifeform;etc
1012562;1423375290;mircea_popescu;heh.
1012563;1423375300;mircea_popescu;by the way, let's help the haters out a little. http://trilema.com/2009/cocktail-flu/
1012564;1423375301;assbot;Cocktail flu pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.  ... ( http://bit.ly/1xMKXqT )
1012565;1423375308;decimation;yes this is common in 'fraternities' on us university campuses
1012566;1423376061;decimation;!up smidge
1012567;1423376068;decimation;guten morgen
1012568;1423376462;TheNewDeal;it's not morgen for me
1012569;1423376467;TheNewDeal;unless that means night
1012570;1423376496;decimation;me neither but it would be for folks in germany
1012571;1423376536;TheNewDeal;aye
1012572;1423376544;mircea_popescu;heil fruhstuck ?
1012573;1423376549;decimation;heh
1012574;1423376557;decimation;with that I bid good evening
1012575;1423376560;decimation;!down decimation
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1012579;1423380139;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 262600 @ 0.00040591 = 106.592 BTC [-] {3} 
1012580;1423381210;cazalla;https://twitter.com/ChipotleTweets lol
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1012582;1423382214;fluffypony;lol
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1012586;1423385601;cazalla;ah damn, they got their account back already lol
1012587;1423385659;cazalla;that's quite quick considering it took @ElectrumWallet about a month to get that account back
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1012594;1423403747;jurov;that generator discussion..incredible. like, imma here running a server off only a little ups with 99.9% uptime
1012595;1423403771;jurov;when putin arrives everyone will be caught with pants down
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1012603;1423409726;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 63200 @ 0.00041189 = 26.0314 BTC [+]
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1012606;1423415275;mircea_popescu;jurov: when putin arrives everyone will be caught with pants down << everyone still there, at any rate.
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1012612;1423416909;mircea_popescu;btw, anyone read "[Date: 1601.] Conversation, as it was by the Social Fireside, in the Time of the Tudors." ?
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1012618;1423419508;mircea_popescu;!up gabriel_laddel
1012619;1423419514;mircea_popescu;!gettrust assbot gabriel_laddel
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1012621;1423419528;mircea_popescu;dude, that thing's lengthy, and not directly obvious why i'd care ?
1012622;1423419548;gabriel_laddel;then don't bother reading I suppose.
1012623;1423419595;mircea_popescu;https://github.com/NixOS/nixpkgs/issues/4952 << skimmed a little. from a purely trolling perspective, it's not bad.
1012624;1423419596;assbot;An experience with NixOS. · Issue #4952 · NixOS/nixpkgs · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1yXi10P )
1012625;1423419661;mircea_popescu;"the human's inability to fully comprehend the parsing and syntactical schemes they're able to create" << this is actually a generally valid point, and about half of all problems of humanity come from this impedance mismatch.
1012626;1423419681;mircea_popescu;it's also necessarily going to remain there, and for great benefit.
1012627;1423419730;gabriel_laddel;The last message from me in that thread contains a brief discussion of the "why" of lisp, that is, what separates it from being 'just another language'. Figured I'd post it in here because your previous trilema post discussing reverse polish notation and Erik Naggum + many #b-a messages didn't communicate to me that lisp has 'clicked' yet for many people.
1012628;1423419768;mircea_popescu;well yes, fortunately i've cut to it by now. but listen, you gotta be much better at packaging stuff.
1012629;1423419789;mircea_popescu;the best chemistry lab, were it to be maintained as a collection of bottles going "stuff" "Good stuff!" "REagenT" etc
1012630;1423419792;mircea_popescu;would not really work.
1012631;1423419815;gabriel_laddel;Thanks for the feedback. I'll keep that in mind.
1012632;1423419905;mircea_popescu;and since this is here, allow me to rant, not in your direction particularly but in general,
1012633;1423419959;mircea_popescu;that the idiocy of puritanism imposing "modesty" upon the coder (on top of chastity - which by the way, there's nothing great about not "raping" women, being a nice guy, great sense of humor etc. that's a drone.) limit people's ability to do crucial things for their success and the world's hygiene.
1012634;1423419990;mircea_popescu;there's nothing wrong with saying "i am great", in principle. competent people do not in the slightest mind the nude affirmation of your naked competency. the error on the topic is amusing, but not the end of the world
1012635;1423420014;mircea_popescu;(much like people falling imagine everyone's looking when in fact nobod ycares, so the guy caught overstating his competency imagines the world ended when really - people just had a laugh).
1012636;1423420037;fluffypony;I feel like replying to that thread with "Yakshemash! Lisp best prostitute in all of Github. You like?"
1012637;1423420040;mircea_popescu;it is i suspect off this festered, metastasized modesty that people can't make good summaries, introduce anything properly or generally package well
1012638;1423420051;gabriel_laddel;fluffypony: lol
1012639;1423420090;mircea_popescu;fuck (not heck. fuck!) it's probably even why people don't enjoy writing comments and specs. because they require "this is great" and "im so fucking proud of this" ands "i bet you wouldn't have come up with this in five lifetimes" to be either worth reading or worth writing
1012640;1423420101;mircea_popescu;and somehow these natural and necessary modes of speech are "forbidden". /rant.
1012641;1423420187;fluffypony;mircea_popescu: they're part of the "pat-on-the-back" crowd that constantly need to be told what a good job they're doing else their paltry raison d'être will crumble
1012642;1423420240;mircea_popescu;i imagine you know, if you can't say it for yourself, you're stuck trying to find people to support you
1012643;1423420266;mircea_popescu;doubleplusungood group creation recipe, this.
1012644;1423420306;mircea_popescu;anyway https://github.com/NixOS/nixpkgs/issues/4952#issuecomment-73422170 is where the fun starts.
1012645;1423420308;assbot;An experience with NixOS. · Issue #4952 · NixOS/nixpkgs · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1yXjSTl )
1012646;1423420316;mircea_popescu;and wtf is nixos even/
1012647;1423420333;gabriel_laddel;some idiots decided to redo all of unix's packaging
1012648;1423420349;gabriel_laddel;using shell scripts and regexes, because types and haskell
1012649;1423420351;mircea_popescu;well *nix packaging sucks quite universally.
1012650;1423420355;mircea_popescu;ahahaha okay.
1012651;1423420382;gabriel_laddel;yeah. also, they don't document anything, or so much as tell you that they're going to move the whole C toolchain.
1012652;1423420384;mircea_popescu;brb changing the font of the tax code
1012653;1423420391;gabriel_laddel;which breaks about everything.
1012654;1423420417;mircea_popescu;the problem starts in 5th grade. there should be a class called Abstraction.
1012655;1423420464;mircea_popescu;kids are expecting to do it and do it well but it's never taught. it's not like expecting virgins to fuck like pros on their first date. it's more like expecting tramps to ballet. spontaneously.
1012656;1423420744;asciilifeform;;;bc,stats
1012657;1423420749;gribble;Current Blocks: 342583 | Current Difficulty: 4.127287389469702E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 342719 | Next Difficulty In: 136 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 day, 1 hour, 30 minutes, and 0 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 44457253638.5 | Estimated Percent Change: 7.71543
1012658;1423420756;asciilifeform;314555.
1012659;1423420808;asciilifeform;anyone read "[Date: 1601.] Conversation, as it was by the Social Fireside... << aye.
1012660;1423420849;asciilifeform;(anyone wants? here it is, http://archive.org/stream/160103190gut/3190.txt )
1012661;1423420851;assbot;Full text of "1601" ... ( http://bit.ly/1yXlkoM )
1012662;1423420938;asciilifeform;NixOS << if idiots want to keep trying to 'fly' to the moon by stacking chairs, let them.
1012663;1423420958;asciilifeform;but there is no reason for any thinking person to become involved in any capacity.
1012664;1423421057;gabriel_laddel;^ Correct. I ended up using it because I needed to quickly build a linux distro and someone told me it could do some things it couldn't really do.
1012665;1423421079;mircea_popescu;scam.
1012666;1423421082;gabriel_laddel;mistakenly posted that issue, not fully grokking how bad of an idea it was
1012667;1423421089;gabriel_laddel;(nixos, that is )
1012668;1423421095;gabriel_laddel;eventually learned the hard way.
1012669;1423421156;mircea_popescu;"Examples: at what point is appropriate to leave package management up to a language's ecosystem? Is there ever a reason to? " << one hell of a problem.
1012670;1423421192;gabriel_laddel;Politics is harder than writing code. Who would have thought.
1012671;1423421194;mircea_popescu;in MPWorld this is implemented as a sort of api, and languages either talk to it or are stuck doing 100% of the work themselves.
1012672;1423421206;asciilifeform;possibly the best package management system for commonlisp users is 'quicklisp'. essentially bulletproof.
1012673;1423421216;mircea_popescu;only correct solution to political problems, b-a ness.
1012674;1423421245;asciilifeform;downloads dependencies, grinds gpg sigs, etc. automatically.
1012675;1423421262;chetty;it's more like expecting tramps to ballet. spontaneously.//you mean they don't? I see in the movies all the time
1012676;1423421297;mircea_popescu;"For instance, for ELF executables, we set the RPATH in the executable such that it will find a statically determined set of library dependencies at runtime, rather than using a dynamic mechanism such as the LD_LIBRARY_PATH environment variable to look up libraries" holy shit.
1012677;1423421306;mircea_popescu;this is essentially mitm for the userspace.
1012678;1423421321;mircea_popescu;chetty well the movies kinda exist for this purpose.
1012679;1423421328;asciilifeform;thing is, braindamaged languages (they know who they are) have no way of specifying -individual routines- as having dependencies
1012680;1423421331;mircea_popescu;!up gabriel_laddel
1012681;1423421367;asciilifeform;likewise, another common form of braindamage is a lack of any fine-grained namespace control
1012682;1423421398;mircea_popescu;no but this is out and out "everythingwillbefineism" imported back into the software stack.
1012683;1423421413;mircea_popescu;like you know, plaintext emails and unauthed telnet. because "who would ever hijack an account!"
1012684;1423421437;mircea_popescu;let's just assume that it's ok to override the user imperatives. because.
1012685;1423421439;asciilifeform;trying to explain that it is quit impossible to have a package management system above the language level that is not dumbed down by support for braindamaged languages.
1012686;1423421458;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform i didn;'t mean you, i'm stikk in shock over the quote above
1012687;1423421462;mircea_popescu;still*
1012688;1423421464;asciilifeform;wai which
1012689;1423421469;asciilifeform;the elf thing?
1012690;1423421481;asciilifeform;woah.
1012691;1423421518;mircea_popescu;yes that.
1012692;1423421573;asciilifeform;mitm for the userspace << funnily, one common purely-userland trick to play on pwned folks is to adjust LD_PRELOAD in their personal shell env
1012693;1423421596;asciilifeform;e.g., substitute a 'readline' that logs keys, etc.
1012694;1423421601;mircea_popescu;well yes.
1012695;1423422120;mod6;no need to worry about r00tkit, r00tkit pre-installed!
1012696;1423422299;mircea_popescu;"it's not the rootkit, it's the os"
1012697;1423422878;mircea_popescu;"There are very few classics in the field of computing. We are at the very beginning of this journey and it hasn't even begun to get interesting yet. IMHO, the Cathedral vs. Bazaar isn't in anyway a dilemma or a classic. Linux was a failure 20 years ago, it is a failure today and any posturing otherwise is just that. "
1012698;1423422915;mircea_popescu;the sad reality is that the earlier "linux is a failure but doesn't have to stay that way" is slowly coming to the sobering reality that "it is a failure and systemfuck it."
1012699;1423422987;gabriel_laddel;Seriously. Where is the tree of all hardware as nodes with drivers as sub nodes? Oh, it doesn't exist? right.
1012700;1423422998;mircea_popescu;it's not that it doesn't exist.
1012701;1423423011;mircea_popescu;it doesn't exist 30 years later, which 30 years have been spent doing what exactly ?
1012702;1423423014;mircea_popescu;fighting hardware.
1012703;1423423028;gabriel_laddel;'fighting'
1012704;1423423032;mircea_popescu;right.
1012705;1423423035;gabriel_laddel;what I would like to see is an actual fight.
1012706;1423423045;mircea_popescu;you need actual men for actual fights.
1012707;1423423054;mircea_popescu;ever seen teenagers brawl in the schoolyard ?
1012708;1423423061;gabriel_laddel;nope.
1012709;1423423067;mircea_popescu;"eyes closed and arms flailing"
1012710;1423423113;gabriel_laddel;as for the fight in our realm, I'd like to buy 10ks of AMD opterons K8 chips and reverse engineer them. Give designs to China.
1012711;1423423145;*;mircea_popescu still vividly remembers this event when he was maybe 13 or so. this kid "got really psised off" and was going to hit me. every time he launched his fist, he also closed his eyes. every time i'd dodge and he'd mash his fist into the nearby wall. his hits got softer an softer, but he never figured out why exactly he's not making contact.
1012712;1423423158;mircea_popescu;!up gabriel_laddel
1012713;1423423161;gabriel_laddel;hahahaa
1012714;1423423161;mircea_popescu;wouldja id already.
1012715;1423423345;mircea_popescu;motherfucker!
1012716;1423423346;mircea_popescu;"Suppose you're trying to find the best way to structure your description of something. (Examples: choosing the structure for a computer program to perform some task; or choosing the structure for a theory of physics.)
1012717;1423423346;mircea_popescu;What you hope to find is the natural structure of what you're describing � a structure that affords a really beautiful, simple description. When you strike the natural structure, a sort of resonance occurs, in which various subsidiary problems you may have had with your description just melt away, and the description practically writes itself."
1012718;1423423367;mircea_popescu;these kids are so fucking stupid i can't believe i've just read "when you meet the right someone it'll feel special" in code-words.
1012719;1423423444;mircea_popescu;what the fuck already, if the planet crossed through a bogon ray one evening in 1988 and made everyone's brain essentially batrachian in nature i could never know.
1012720;1423423542;gabriel_laddel;...
1012721;1423423550;gabriel_laddel;I've had that exact experience with programming.
1012722;1423423556;mircea_popescu;so what if you did ?
1012723;1423423566;mircea_popescu;so did i. what's that do ?
1012724;1423423611;gabriel_laddel;well, when someone is tweaking the design of something and it produces extremely complex and counter-intuitive behavior I point them to that quote.
1012725;1423423627;gabriel_laddel;the /feeling/ didn't do anything. It is merely a signal.
1012726;1423423632;mircea_popescu;listen here : the fact that it feels right is no indication of it being the best way.
1012727;1423423656;mircea_popescu;the fact of it being a pile a kludge is an excellent indication of it not being the best way, but rather heuristic in nature.
1012728;1423423663;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: ...fighting hardware << aha. linux kernel in one sentence.
1012729;1423423688;gabriel_laddel;mircea_popescu: so how'd you learn to fuck?
1012730;1423423702;gabriel_laddel;feelings, and trial and error were not involved at all?
1012731;1423423705;mircea_popescu;the entire basis for that quote is the reverbalisation of the concept that "when true love comes around you'll know". empirically, most people do not.
1012732;1423423727;mircea_popescu;gabriel_laddel i actually was kinda disinterested in fucking as a young adolescent, was taught by older girls.
1012733;1423423748;mircea_popescu;you figure that's relevant ?
1012734;1423423811;gabriel_laddel;mircea_popescu: yes. you've written about the game of 'balance' wrt fucking. when playing this game you /know/ somehow that you're doing it correctly, via various signals.
1012735;1423423825;mircea_popescu;but in any case : what do you figure is the difference bewteen "When you strike the natural structure, a sort of resonance occurs" and "perl is a fine way to do nixos" ?
1012736;1423423839;mircea_popescu;after all... when you hit the language with regexp just right you know.
1012737;1423423844;mircea_popescu;total lack of exploding computers.
1012738;1423423864;mircea_popescu;apparently you no longer need trees here ?
1012739;1423423876;mircea_popescu;just you know, pattern match and all will be well (when it's truely well)
1012740;1423423881;gabriel_laddel;using regexes for that is something like... trying to impregnate a woman through her arse.
1012741;1423423899;gabriel_laddel;at some point you've just got to try something different.
1012742;1423423923;mircea_popescu;but you, in your own description (well, in their description which you seem to underscore) of "how to meta-structure" in fact revert to what is the equivalent of pattern matching.
1012743;1423423950;mircea_popescu;this is exactly what perl outputs : "it feels right"
1012744;1423423962;gabriel_laddel;as for my id, I'm currently fixing <irritant to livelihood>. First chance I get I'm sitting down and sorting out the whole GPG thing. As it stands I was not particularly happy with the documentation it supplied and wasn't sure which parts I'd have to rewrite. My previous key got destroyed in a failed backup becuase I didn't spend enough time on it the first time around. Also, I don't think gossipd is happening via w
1012745;1423423963;gabriel_laddel;hoever it was, and I'm fairly sure I grok ASCII's plan and will be handling some intro documentation for it + figuring out how the PGP code needs to interface with it exactly.
1012746;1423424027;gabriel_laddel;Hmm...
1012747;1423424040;gabriel_laddel;Perhaps that quote was misplaced.
1012748;1423424043;mircea_popescu;re game of balance : fucking is an extremely poor metaphora for what we're doing here, because computers are actually turing machines, whereas cunts are not.
1012749;1423424066;mircea_popescu;so yes, you can do just fine as a human interacting with humans on broken structure. just as long as it's broken in tolerable places.
1012750;1423424076;mircea_popescu;dna is exactly this : worst code ever, wouldn't even parse, let alone compile.
1012751;1423424170;mircea_popescu;which is why a flimsy repackaging of "popular advice" that doesn't even work on the fucking plane is horribru. not only it doesn't work in practice, but the mind that tends to make such confusions is probably in a very poor state to think about anything.
1012752;1423424248;mircea_popescu;(ps. the lisp notation of basic arithmetic would win "least likely to succeed" "ass-ugliest award" from a vast majority of all the people who understand basic arithmetic. it "doesn't feel right" for almost anyone. 3+4 does.
1012753;1423424254;mircea_popescu;so what does this matter ?)
1012754;1423424274;gabriel_laddel;becuase of the "various subsidiary problems that fall away"
1012755;1423424287;mircea_popescu;which most idiots aren't aware of in the first place.
1012756;1423424305;mircea_popescu;mebbe i should dig that article where i murder some guy over leaving out the outside paran or something.
1012757;1423424305;gabriel_laddel;the only reasonable basis for discussing such things is how much power they afford you
1012758;1423424322;mircea_popescu;whether "they're right" ? what are you, hitler ?
1012759;1423424383;mircea_popescu;the right structure is that structure which expresses the sum total of all the concepts in can express in the smallest total count of expression units. note that both fields being infinite, this is a difficult comparison to evaluate.
1012760;1423424429;mircea_popescu;it's even difficult to establish what kids of infinite are involved.
1012761;1423424434;mircea_popescu;kinds*
1012762;1423424466;gabriel_laddel;relevent: http://www.jsoftware.com/papers/tot.htm
1012763;1423424467;assbot;Notation as a Tool of Thought ... ( http://bit.ly/1C7CRvk )
1012764;1423424533;mircea_popescu;aye, i suspect notation and structure are actually closer married than we generally realise.
1012765;1423424554;asciilifeform;lisp notation of basic arithmetic << one of the most common n00b failures-to-grok. (+ 1 2 3 4 5) not only puts less mileage on keyboard than 1+2+3+4+5, but nukes the abomination of having arbitrary orders of evaluation
1012766;1423424575;asciilifeform;programmer enters the syntax tree directly.
1012767;1423424579;gabriel_laddel;Hmm.. This is what I was attempting to communicate.
1012768;1423424579;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform but feelings were the criteria.
1012769;1423424584;asciilifeform;pheelingz
1012770;1423424597;gabriel_laddel;mircea_popescu: eh, that was a footnote.
1012771;1423424615;gabriel_laddel;That said, I've had the experience several times of reading trilema or the logs, not immediately grokking it, returning a day later to have it all 'click'. I'm thinking that might happen here.
1012772;1423424635;mircea_popescu;you know it's not your trial for being a badman, this.
1012773;1423424660;gabriel_laddel;sorry?
1012774;1423424671;gabriel_laddel;(I don't parse that)
1012775;1423424701;mircea_popescu;all the various foregoing rants are not directed at you personally as if you were somehow in ther wrong on some score.
1012776;1423424719;gabriel_laddel;wtf is this, we're discussing a footnote in something I posted.
1012777;1423424743;gabriel_laddel;as for puritanism, sure, not directed at me entirely.
1012778;1423424751;mircea_popescu;neither, no.
1012779;1423424798;mircea_popescu;anyway : the quote you took carries a certain meaning in its original context (physics - esp "natural" is a term of art in physics) and is an entirely different thing in the new context (coding). i fully agree with the quote as it is on the source blog
1012780;1423424812;mircea_popescu;when put together with the nix discussion on github it gives me spots on the spline.
1012781;1423424815;mircea_popescu;odd how this works.
1012782;1423424825;mircea_popescu;same exact fucking quote, as in, string.
1012783;1423424835;gabriel_laddel;Ah.
1012784;1423424873;thestringpuller;mircea_popescu: random: but I recall you said you don't like driving so you don't. You're driven. Do you ever "want" to drive in some ideal scenario? A racetrack or something?
1012785;1423424887;mircea_popescu;thestringpuller notrly.
1012786;1423424904;asciilifeform;the 'nixos' thing is about the same kind, and degree, of contribution to culture as the soviet dogs with extra heads sewn on. with the difference that the latter still have the former beat in the purpose they're really fit for - chimeras to scare small children with
1012787;1423424931;thestringpuller;guess it's an american phenomenon. I find I hate driving in traffic. But lemme open up a sports car at 120-130 MPH somewhere "Top Gear" style and I have a blast.
1012788;1423424945;thestringpuller;too many action movies as a child I 'spose
1012789;1423424954;mircea_popescu;so take up bobsleigh. better for your health.
1012790;1423424968;gabriel_laddel;" As far as I can tell, were one to extrapolate from the given information to a set of concrete requirements we see that NixOS plans to rewrite the build scripts for every version of every project on unix. Again, this is insane. The correct thing to do in this situation is to realize the utter impossibility of the task that has been set forth and re-evaluate one's approach.[1]" << [1] links to the quote previously d
1012791;1423424969;gabriel_laddel;iscussed.
1012792;1423424987;asciilifeform;!up gabriel_laddel
1012793;1423424987;mircea_popescu;!up gabriel_laddel
1012794;1423424992;gabriel_laddel;ty
1012795;1423424994;mircea_popescu;yep, which is  why i said tis not about you.
1012796;1423425040;mircea_popescu;in any case : the space of things physics has to represent is in point of fact narrower than the space of things computer programs have to represent.
1012797;1423425055;mircea_popescu;we know this to be true, because you can have mmorpgs.
1012798;1423425114;asciilifeform;now the next phase of moon-chair-stacking, that nix may or may not have yet entered, is to decide that the turd they have created and are doomed to dine on is in fact a sausage, and to lash out angrily at folks pointing out the actual facts
1012799;1423425129;mircea_popescu;first stage is next stage.
1012800;1423425182;asciilifeform;'yes we reached the moon, who said we weren't talking about that one [points to moon painted on ceiling of mental institution]'
1012801;1423425223;mircea_popescu;i think we're in the mental institution. they're outside. cheaper this way, more of them.
1012802;1423425292;mircea_popescu;gabriel_laddel you seriously thinking of implementing a sane pgp ?
1012803;1423425311;gabriel_laddel;mircea_popescu: eventually, yes.
1012804;1423425324;gabriel_laddel;mircea_popescu: as for now, I just want to have a clear idea of what the interface is, what the problems are etc.
1012805;1423425327;mircea_popescu;i wanna read the design documents for this.
1012806;1423425336;*;asciilifeform wishes to point out that a 'sane pgp' will not be pgp-compatible. because much of the insanity lies in the standard itself.
1012807;1423425342;mircea_popescu;this is granted.
1012808;1423425401;gabriel_laddel;asciilifeform: I'v M-x rembered (or something) the previous thread on the matter for when I return to it.
1012809;1423425401;cazalla;;;later tell bingoboingo hey, remember that fish i told you about? hooked and landed it after a few days :)
1012810;1423425402;gribble;The operation succeeded.
1012811;1423425492;gabriel_laddel;asciilifeform: you had a alternate name for gossipd based on russian theater that had some relation to the nazis. I couldn't find the wiki article again, care to point me to it?
1012812;1423425521;mircea_popescu;!up bitstein
1012813;1423425544;mircea_popescu;gabriel_laddel i take this is going to be lisp, as in not scheme, not clojure, cl ?
1012814;1423425573;gabriel_laddel;mircea_popescu: CL + C when necessary.
1012815;1423425614;mircea_popescu;do they mix ?
1012816;1423425618;gabriel_laddel;ya
1012817;1423425773;gabriel_laddel;https://common-lisp.net/project/cffi/
1012818;1423425773;assbot;CFFI - The Common Foreign Function Interface ... ( http://bit.ly/1C7FP3c )
1012819;1423425891;asciilifeform;gabriel_laddel: not a theatre. the 'red orchestra'
1012820;1423425904;asciilifeform;gabriel_laddel: which wasn't any kind of orchestra but a spy network
1012821;1423425918;mircea_popescu;ie, the illegal residents of ww2 ?
1012822;1423425927;asciilifeform;aha
1012823;1423425959;gabriel_laddel;asciilifeform: thank you, this is what I wanted.
1012824;1423425976;mircea_popescu;so total noob here, but. the way cffi works is you compile your c stuff as dynamic objects and then put the headers in your lisp program ? or what ?
1012825;1423425998;*;asciilifeform has no idea why any of the discussed projects would require cffi
1012826;1423426021;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform because the guy says so lol. why else ?
1012827;1423426109;gabriel_laddel;asciilifeform: gossipd requires C. PGP, CL (at least, this is where I'd start).
1012828;1423426126;gabriel_laddel;cffi to bridge the two if needed, but only then.
1012829;1423426143;mircea_popescu;you mean to bridge ro and gossipd ?
1012830;1423426144;asciilifeform;gabriel_laddel: when i declared that it ought to be writte in c, i meant -entirely-
1012831;1423426155;asciilifeform;so as to fit on ludicrously small embedded machinery
1012832;1423426173;asciilifeform;and have wholly deterministic heapless memory behaviour
1012833;1423426185;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform cl can't do these ? :D
1012834;1423426186;asciilifeform;but nowhere is it written that anyone must listen to this
1012835;1423426209;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: you can write cl without 'cons' but this is like english without letter 'e'
1012836;1423426264;mircea_popescu;four vowels should be enough for vryon.
1012837;1423426271;asciilifeform;vrn
1012838;1423426392;asciilifeform;and when i say 'c', i'm not talking about gnarly turdalicious gpg-style c
1012839;1423426395;asciilifeform;but clean c
1012840;1423426398;asciilifeform;obligatory: https://gist.github.com/pete/665971
1012841;1423426401;assbot;Various implementations of the 'cat' command, for comparison. ... ( http://bit.ly/1A70iIK )
1012842;1423426418;gabriel_laddel;My current plan for dealing with these projects: The haskell package Language.C.AST parses C99 entirely, taking into account all GCC extensions. I'm going to pay someone to add a sexpr backend to it so I can work it into my CL toolchain.
1012843;1423426418;gabriel_laddel;As for what language I'll be using on any given project, it will be determined entirely by what is correct for the project. If I hack something out in CL, but switch it over to C, I'll do that. If it makes sense to release a protopye that is hacked together C+CL+CFFI I'll do that. In any case, both of these come after getting the #b-a distro finished.
1012844;1423426420;asciilifeform;'clean' as in, i whip out a stick and point to a line, and you can tell my why it's there.
1012845;1423426451;asciilifeform;haskell package <<< pay someone to add a sexpr backend to it so I can work it into my CL toolchain ...
1012846;1423426456;*;asciilifeform head-desks
1012847;1423426460;gabriel_laddel;asciilifeform: ?
1012848;1423426471;asciilifeform;what part of 'minimal' is so hard to understand?
1012849;1423426475;asciilifeform;what part of 'fits in head'?
1012850;1423426489;gabriel_laddel;asciilifeform: Sorry, I was being less than clear - this is only for development.
1012851;1423426495;mircea_popescu;sometimes i fantasize about buying an old english castle, turning it into a computing school for nude 18 to 22 yo ladies, and putting alf in charge of it, with a flexible bamboo cane.
1012852;1423426505;asciilifeform;gabriel_laddel, et al:  try to remember why all of these things need redoing in the first place
1012853;1423426508;asciilifeform;!
1012854;1423426521;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: signmeup.
1012855;1423426522;mircea_popescu;then after a decade i come by and go... "why did she write this!"
1012856;1423426542;gabriel_laddel;asciilifeform: You've never desired to query over a bunch of gnarly C code?
1012857;1423426564;asciilifeform;gabriel_laddel: query?
1012858;1423426586;asciilifeform;for the purpose of taking a flamethrower to it and replacing with something sane - grep + eyes has always sufficed
1012859;1423426589;mircea_popescu;gabriel_laddel his idea being i suspect that c code you wish to query over should just be quarried over yonder hill
1012860;1423426592;mircea_popescu;let the wolves have it.
1012861;1423426596;asciilifeform;any other purpose i'm not the least bit interested in
1012862;1423426598;asciilifeform;aha
1012863;1423426600;asciilifeform;what mircea_popescu ^ said.
1012864;1423426601;gabriel_laddel;asciilifeform: Yes. Show me all structures that look like this. Pattern match against structures, rewrite them as so.
1012865;1423426611;asciilifeform;automated rewrite is equivalent to original turd
1012866;1423426615;mircea_popescu;an automated deturdifier ?
1012867;1423426617;asciilifeform;in that all the turdaliciousness remains in place
1012868;1423426636;asciilifeform;it is like suggesting an automated converter of reddit spew to interesting literature
1012869;1423426650;*;asciilifeform off to meatspace for a spell, unfortunately not for any reasons pertaining to ancient castles
1012870;1423426653;mircea_popescu;meh, it' never work, no character growth.
1012871;1423426680;gabriel_laddel;asciilifeform: I'm assuming, at least for now, that I'm going to have to /look/ at the current PGP sources (thus the C sexprast ). This has no bearing on what will be released other than - I will do what makes sense given the situation.
1012872;1423426711;mircea_popescu;so automated code reader. hey, might work.
1012873;1423426737;gabriel_laddel;mircea_popescu: I have some code now that converts javascript to parenscript
1012874;1423426757;gabriel_laddel;it, and nothing else will ever be a substitute for thought.
1012875;1423426761;gabriel_laddel;merely an aid.
1012876;1423426775;mircea_popescu;right, i see what you're doing there.
1012877;1423426882;thestringpuller;!up gabriel_laddel
1012878;1423426931;gabriel_laddel;"As for what language I'll be using on any given project, it will be determined entirely by what is correct for the project."
1012879;1423427008;trinque;gabriel_laddel: how do you find using parenscript?
1012880;1423427037;trinque;I've tried the clojure/clojurescript combo and was thrilled to be using the same language on both ends
1012881;1423427053;gabriel_laddel;trinque: Modifying clojurescript is god-awful.
1012882;1423427060;gabriel_laddel;modifying parenscript isn't terrible.
1012883;1423427075;trinque;gabriel_laddel: the outputted JS is more comprehensible?
1012884;1423427087;gabriel_laddel;trinque: well, there is that too.
1012885;1423427142;gabriel_laddel;trinque: in any case, I hate everything about the browser.
1012886;1423427153;trinque;that goes without saying
1012887;1423427219;mircea_popescu;the browser is not unlikely what'd have happened if the beduins had discovered dna alteration and there was no interstellar void.
1012888;1423427236;mircea_popescu;camels floating in space on half butterfly/half bat wings
1012889;1423427511;gabriel_laddel;As for PGP, I'm assuming that I'm going to have to spend a decent amount of time with the codebase and reading the spec. Perhaps not.
1012890;1423427520;gabriel_laddel;..
1012891;1423427538;gabriel_laddel;Why might one want to see the C ast? Let's say that we've got a codebase like the linux kernel, or opengl drivers. You know that somewhere you've got some stuff that talks to the hardware, but grep returns false positives. You instead pull the ast into memory, query across it for the bits your looking for. False positives now indicate something about the language (i.e., that I don't understand it as well as I though
1012892;1423427538;gabriel_laddel;t) rather than just a false positive. Again, I've never written C, and perhaps the ast is so complicated that it's actually impossible to get any useful information out of it, but my current experience suggests that having this ability is a good idea. Building something like `slime-who-calls' suddenly becomes simple.
1012893;1423427569;mircea_popescu;im not even sure pgp has a spec.
1012894;1423427590;mircea_popescu;if you recall it was a hurried samizdat
1012895;1423427602;gabriel_laddel;kk. I should be discussing this in design documents anyways.
1012896;1423427785;ben_vulpes;<mircea_popescu> so take up bobsleigh. better for your health. << or bicycles, more actual physical connection of your meat with the dynamic systems in question. airplanes and helicopters worth looking into as well
1012897;1423427810;mircea_popescu;actual planes, how do you call them
1012898;1423427829;mircea_popescu;gliders
1012899;1423427836;ben_vulpes;oh yeah gliders are also awesome
1012900;1423427869;ben_vulpes;i like things without much by way of engine.
1012901;1423427907;mircea_popescu;hang gliders esp
1012902;1423427941;ben_vulpes;hang glider stability dynamics are interesting, but kinda neutered.
1012903;1423427965;mircea_popescu;no i meant for your muscle contact thing
1012904;1423427967;ben_vulpes;sorta like the "chair with prop hanging from parasail" design.
1012905;1423427972;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 81500 @ 0.00040982 = 33.4003 BTC [+]
1012906;1423427979;mircea_popescu;well, you gotta move to pilot it
1012907;1423427999;ben_vulpes;don't get me wrong, they're fly as hell.
1012908;1423428020;ben_vulpes;just...limited subset of the control space.
1012909;1423428173;ben_vulpes;!up bitcoinquestions
1012910;1423428179;ben_vulpes;got some lulz for me today?
1012911;1423430046;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 46105 @ 0.00040611 = 18.7237 BTC [-] {2} 
1012912;1423430206;ben_vulpes;!up bitcoinquestions
1012913;1423430217;decimation;re: parasail < I've heard of incidents where pilots of parasails fly too close to moving trains.  They get caught in the vortex and then crash
1012914;1423430244;decimation;I mean paraglider, not parasail I guess
1012915;1423430275;bitcoinquestions;If I generate a key on a MAC OS that I use for other purposes is it at all secure? Or should I not even bother generating keys if I'm not on a linux distro?
1012916;1423430313;danielpbarron;is the machine connected to a network?
1012917;1423430327;ben_vulpes;decimation: aeronautics is full of exciting! new! innovative! ways to die.
1012918;1423430358;ben_vulpes;i saw a gents quadrotor get sucked into its own downdraft near a wall one time, and slam itself repeatedly into said wall while its pilot tried to rescue it
1012919;1423430369;decimation;bitcoinquestions: it is my understanding that macOs uses freebsd's rng (Yarrow), but you are implictly trusting apple...
1012920;1423430407;decimation;ben_vulpes: yeah we ground-bound folk don't appreciate the air movements around objects
1012921;1423430540;decimation;in particular with paragliding, I think that it attracts a certain set of folk who might not consider safety as a top priority
1012922;1423430587;ben_vulpes;there's also the squirrelsuit insanity
1012923;1423430622;decimation;folks who volunteer to jump out of a perfectly good aircraft?
1012924;1423430702;ben_vulpes;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5N9t5qOSzCU << this sort of thing
1012925;1423430704;assbot;The best wing suit /skydive from you tube PART1 - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1A2ZFl5 )
1012926;1423430722;BingoBoingo;ben_vulpes: fwiw there aren't many orcs in the rural bits of ussa, and one can shoot trespassers on sign in those provinces too << Different kind, even tolkien had different kinds of orcs
1012927;1423430748;decimation;ben_vulpes: lol that's nuts
1012928;1423430770;decimation;it's an interesting use of ground effect though
1012929;1423430787;ben_vulpes;that's not ground effect if i understand the mechanism in question correctly.
1012930;1423430821;ben_vulpes;GE entails actually riding on a compressed cushion between the foil and the ground, not the lift off the foil alone.
1012931;1423430836;ben_vulpes;(again, i am not an expert in this area)
1012932;1423430866;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform not so foolish as to think about 'homogeneous enforcement environments', knows that there are, e.g., vast deserts in usa where folks set off trucks full of dynamite for amusement, etc. << Sometimes law enforcement attention comes to these folks too.
1012933;1423430909;decimation;ben_vulpes: yeah I guess that's what I thought was happening when he gets close to the ground, but there's probably not enough of a 'cushion' to do the turns they are doing
1012934;1423430930;decimation;it strikes me that if the wind suddenly shifts they could easily bash their heads into a rock
1012935;1423430964;ben_vulpes;it's not really clear to me how close they actually are to terra.
1012936;1423430986;ben_vulpes;in some places, very close. those places also look very steep.
1012937;1423431000;ben_vulpes;sink rate being a thing; angle of attack being a thing...
1012938;1423431009;decimation;aye
1012939;1423432614;BingoBoingo;decimation: in the us gas heat is common, but typical large us house has a 'forced air' system that moves heated air around the house << Natural gas backup generators for homes are not unheard of here, occasionally going up to home's normal electricity consumption.
1012940;1423432639;BingoBoingo;The things live burried in yard
1012941;1423432681;decimation;BingoBoingo: yeah for whatever reason natural gas distribution seems much more reliable than electric distribution
1012942;1423432747;mircea_popescu;bitcoinquestions in general a machine is secure if its secure. linux is not a magic pill. as danielpbarron suggests, not connecting it to the internet helps a lot, but also makes it more difficult.
1012943;1423432758;BingoBoingo;decimation: Well failures of the natural gas system tend to be more... catastrophic... I remember as a child the day half of my hometown was evacuated because ditch diggers broke an incoming pipe at the edge of town.
1012944;1423432762;mircea_popescu;heh.
1012945;1423432782;decimation;BingoBoingo: yeah that's true.  occasionally a house explodes too
1012946;1423432796;BingoBoingo;Or city block
1012947;1423432831;mircea_popescu;a total of nine exploded in a decade in timisoara (tiny town, 300k)
1012948;1423433001;[]bot;Bet created: "Gold below $1175 on March 1st" http://bitbet.us/bet/1118/
1012949;1423433437;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: the best chemistry lab, were it to be maintained as a collection of bottles going "stuff" "Good stuff!" "REagenT" etc 18:23:12 mircea_popescu: would not really work. << This is why other big cause of home explosion is meth "labs"
1012950;1423433489;mircea_popescu;decimation> in particular with paragliding, I think that it attracts a certain set of folk who might not consider safety as a top priority << i think paragliding is much like hunting, a sport intended for empty land.
1012951;1423433506;mircea_popescu;you wouldn't go blasting quailshot all over the mall either, would you.
1012952;1423433564;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo yup. people trusting shit to memory that are also actively attackin it chemically.
1012953;1423433760;thestringpuller;BingoBoingo: that Breaking Bad tho
1012954;1423433809;BingoBoingo;thestringpuller: Illustrates an important difference. "Anyone can do" and "Few can do well"
1012955;1423433860;thestringpuller;At somepoint I thunk you better call saul
1012956;1423433950;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu still vividly remembers this event when he was maybe 13 or so. this kid "got really psised off" and was going to hit me. every time he launched his fist, he also closed his eyes. every time i'd dodge and he'd mash his fist into the nearby wall. his hits got softer an softer, but he never figured out why exactly he's not making contact. << Silimar event in middle school. Bigger kid pesters me for days about how he's
1012957;1423433950;BingoBoingo;going to fight me. When he finally starts throwing punches can't keep his eyes open long enough to hit anything or avoid going to the ground and getting stomped
1012958;1423433997;mircea_popescu;i didn't beat him up, it was kinda incongruous. he had no real quarrel, posed no real threat and besides, as far as teh adults were concerned i was a silver spoony gentleman.
1012959;1423434173;BingoBoingo;Well, I'd been annoyed by his build up to this event for a few day, twas enough of a greivance.
1012960;1423434228;mircea_popescu;makes sense
1012961;1423434368;BingoBoingo;School administrator was puzzled by the combatants being "A" students without long disciplinary records didn't see fit to issue discipline to either party as the aggressor learned he wasn't fit to aggress.
1012962;1423434871;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu still vividly remembers this event when he was maybe 13 or so. this kid "got really psised off" and was going to hit me. every time he launched his fist, he also closed his eyes. every time i'd dodge and he'd mash his fist into the nearby wall. his hits got softer an softer, but he never figured out why exactly he's not making contact. << Airstrip One must first be cast into the ocean
1012963;1423434892;BingoBoingo;^mircea_popescu: sometimes i fantasize about buying an old english castle, turning it into a computing school for nude 18 to 22 yo ladies, and putting alf in charge of it, with a flexible bamboo cane. << wrong pasta buffer
1012964;1423434901;mircea_popescu;lol you think ?
1012965;1423435099;decimation;from the slatestarcodex guy: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ritual_of_the_Calling_of_an_Engineer
1012966;1423435101;assbot;Ritual of the Calling of an Engineer - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ... ( http://bit.ly/190fPzt )
1012967;1423435121;decimation;"The ritual traces its origins to professor H. E. T. Haultain of the University of Toronto, who believed and persuaded other members of the Engineering Institute of Canada that there needed to be a ceremony and standard of ethics developed for graduating engineers. The need was patently obvious in the light of the Quebec Bridge disasters."
1012968;1423435181;decimation;http://www.loper-os.org/?p=1299 < "One clever soul suggested applying this doctrine to yet a fourth profession, creating a kind of “programmer priest.” Perhaps one day there will indeed be someone you can trust to pronounce – truthfully and competently – that a crypto-system is strong, that a protocol has not been diddled, that your computer serves only a single master."
1012969;1423435183;assbot;Loper OS » Don’t Blame the Mice. ... ( http://bit.ly/190fXPr )
1012970;1423435291;mircea_popescu;slowly inching towards that. but more like conclave.
1012971;1423435834;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform "In the United States polite letters was a cult of the Brahmins of Boston, with William Dean Howells at the helm of the Atlantic." << Release Date: August 20, 2006 [EBook #3190]
1012972;1423435859;mircea_popescu;apparently "brahmin" has a lengthy usage to describe the cult of the dead cow of massachussetts ?
1012973;1423435909;mircea_popescu;(produced by one David Widger)
1012974;1423435924;decimation;moldbug repurposed (re-re-repurposed?) the word "brahmin" to mean something like 'modern liberal elite'
1012975;1423435939;mircea_popescu;signed Franklin J. Meine
1012976;1423435951;mircea_popescu;dead about the time shockley was splitting up.
1012977;1423435957;mircea_popescu;decimation this is exactly the usage.
1012978;1423435987;decimation;but before that it was used to describe Massachusetts men who spoke with a particular accent and had a particular affinity with the anglo colonizers
1012979;1423436035;mircea_popescu;as in "Boston Brahmin" ?
1012980;1423436040;decimation;aye
1012981;1423436079;mircea_popescu;The term was coined by the physician and writer Oliver Wendell Holmes, Sr., in an 1860 article in the Atlantic Monthly.
1012982;1423436098;mircea_popescu;ic.
1012983;1423436118;decimation;actual boston brahmins talking > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mfR4DLXYpCw
1012984;1423436120;assbot;A dying race- two Boston Brahmins converse (from AMERICAN TO - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1DU01aK )
1012985;1423436182;mircea_popescu;they sound australian to me.
1012986;1423436211;decimation;I guess that's what you get from fifth-generation englishmen removed from england
1012987;1423436222;decimation;perhaps farther removed actually
1012988;1423436664;mircea_popescu;thye also sound quite idiotic, in retrospect.
1012989;1423436676;mircea_popescu;dickens vs austen ? "o look, my toy car is faster than your toy car!"
1012990;1423436855;decimation;yeah the conversation topic is quite inane.
1012991;1423436859;thestringpuller;mircea_popescu: i love your quotes on the US being broke
1012992;1423436868;thestringpuller;I say that to cops a lot when they pull me over for being black
1012993;1423436880;mircea_popescu;does it work out ?
1012994;1423436884;thestringpuller;"You're broke nigga, you gonna really persecute the nigga payin your salary"
1012995;1423436892;mircea_popescu;lmao
1012996;1423436903;mircea_popescu;!up Quantinium
1012997;1423436917;mircea_popescu;yeah, that's a true old courthouse favourite, "i pay your salary"
1012998;1423436931;thestringpuller;Usually cop is like "You got anything valuable in the vehicle?"
1012999;1423436940;thestringpuller;"Or on your person?"
1013000;1423437002;mircea_popescu;!up bitcoinquestions
1013001;1423437032;decimation;thestringpuller: they are fishing for some property to indict.  maybe the local cops want to have some new toys
1013002;1423437052;bitcoinquestions;yo i dug through your posts on trilema about how you think Gavin is sabotaging bitcoin or whatever for wanting to increase the block size. Are you afraid of DDOS attacks because there are not enough full nodes?
1013003;1423437081;thestringpuller;bitcoinquestions: could you elaborate on your question?
1013004;1423437117;mircea_popescu;!up mandarin
1013005;1423437121;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 52062 @ 0.00039986 = 20.8175 BTC [-] {3} 
1013006;1423437128;mircea_popescu;i am not afraid.
1013007;1423437234;thestringpuller;!b 1
1013008;1423437235;assbot;Last 1 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/37P8WY9.txt )
1013009;1423437471;danielpbarron;funny he mentions ddos
1013010;1423437477;decimation;it is, isn't it?
1013011;1423437563;decimation;in 1790 mr. ddos would have been on one of the sans-culotte's murder gangs
1013012;1423437600;mircea_popescu;hardly.
1013013;1423437860;decimation;well, there's a certain lefty predilection toward paranoia/violence that seems stable over the centuries
1013014;1423437914;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 48450 @ 0.00039723 = 19.2458 BTC [-]
1013015;1423437971;mircea_popescu;i suspect it's just narcissistic rage.
1013016;1423437977;mircea_popescu;"what do you mean i am stupid ?!?!?!?!"
1013017;1423438006;decimation;'no ur stupid, imma ddos you loic!'
1013018;1423439074;mircea_popescu;!up bitcoinquestions
1013019;1423439081;mircea_popescu;get a cloak will you.
1013020;1423439099;bitcoinquestions;A cloak?
1013021;1423439155;bitcoinquestions;You mean hide my IP address?
1013022;1423439232;mircea_popescu;yes.
1013023;1423439341;bitcoinquestions;Were you flooding my IP address?
1013024;1423439687;mircea_popescu;nope.
1013025;1423439696;mircea_popescu;!s ddos
1013026;1423439697;assbot;485 results for 'ddos' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=ddos
1013027;1423439702;bitcoinquestions;mircea_popescu: ? I need to know whether or not to call the cable company :D
1013028;1423439702;mircea_popescu;this is a recurring topic here.
1013029;1423439719;mircea_popescu;there's, intermittently, some unidentified derp that floods noobs
1013030;1423441684;mircea_popescu;!up bitcoinquestions
1013031;1423441761;bitcoinquestions;ty
1013032;1423441782;bitcoinquestions;as I was trying to ask early - why do you not like the change to increase the block size?
1013033;1423441864;mircea_popescu;you said that you read my articles, which is nice, but it'd be a lot better if instead of saying you did you showed me you did, by asking meaningful rather than meaninglessly general questions.
1013034;1423441926;mircea_popescu;particularly relevant, http://trilema.com/2015/third-pass-addressing-the-more-common-pseudo-arguments-raised-by-the-very-stupid-people-that-like-the-gavin-scamcoin-proposal/
1013035;1423441927;assbot;Third pass addressing the more common pseudo-arguments raised by the very stupid people that like the Gavin scamcoin proposal pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.  ... ( http://bit.ly/1vzm5Zm )
1013036;1423441931;mircea_popescu;"XII. The current 1Mb limit is arbitrary. We want to change it. Please ignore the fact that the discussion is about whether to change or not to change, and please ignore that the onus is on whoever proposes change to justify it. Instead, buy into our pretense that the discussion is about "which arbitrary value". Because we're idiots, and so should be you!"
1013037;1423442242;bitcoinquestions;mircea_popescu: Okay of course the proponents of the change are the ones who must justify it. But the justification is pretty simple, with a larger block size the network can support more transactions per second. This allows more transactions to be onchain instead of through trusted identities.
1013038;1423442272;mircea_popescu;looky here : growing larger implies growing costs. this is a given. a larger bitcoin will somehow be paid for.
1013039;1423442288;mircea_popescu;there are two avenues to pay for it. one is, to pay for it in bitcoin. via paying for txn.
1013040;1423442299;mircea_popescu;another one is, to pay for it in fiat, via paying for disk space.
1013041;1423442322;mircea_popescu;these are, obviously, both going to be employed, in some combination, because the thing is going to grow too huge to allow exclusivity
1013042;1423442346;mircea_popescu;unrelated to all of this, a usg mole is proposing to change bitcoin into something unsustainable.
1013043;1423442369;mircea_popescu;this is completely differet a matter, and it is not proper to mix it together in the consideration of an actual problem. it is not an actual problem.
1013044;1423442388;mircea_popescu;to understand exactly the situation, you have camles and donkeys, and have to carry a billion tons of rubble.
1013045;1423442401;mircea_popescu;it is one idea to discuss how to load the donkeyus and the camels respectively, to best do this.
1013046;1423442420;mircea_popescu;it is ANOTHER discussion to propose that you pile all the donkeys on top of the camels and then throw the lot in the river.
1013047;1423442432;mircea_popescu;both discuss camels and donkeys. both ARE NOT discussions of how to carry your rubble.
1013048;1423442516;mircea_popescu;so : a) gavin is in no way involved in bitcoin development ; b) gavin's insanities have nothing to do with bitcoin's problems, and in no case are they solutions. as you'd expect of someone who has nothing to do with it in the first place.
1013049;1423442792;bitcoinquestions;mircea_popescu: Do you have proof that Gavin and some USG mole is trying to implement some attack on bitcoin? What has made you come to this conclusion?
1013050;1423442804;mircea_popescu;not gavin AND.
1013051;1423442806;mircea_popescu;gavin's it.
1013052;1423442810;bitcoinquestions;ah gavin is
1013053;1423442810;bitcoinquestions;okay
1013054;1423442855;mircea_popescu;what has made me come to this conclusion is neither here nor there. i am not proposing anything to you. i have made my own determinations, and if you inquire i tell you the reasons. that's how far that goes.
1013055;1423442915;bitcoinquestions;Well I am inquiring what your reasons are
1013056;1423442966;mircea_popescu;as above.
1013057;1423443184;bitcoinquestions;mircea_popescu: Ah okay I reread and understand a little better I believe. But why do you assume you need to pay for more disk space in fiat?
1013058;1423443278;mircea_popescu;yes, well... are you one of those who imagines bitpay "paid in bitcoin" for whatever sponsorship ?
1013059;1423443282;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 49824 @ 0.00040615 = 20.236 BTC [+] {2} 
1013060;1423443309;mircea_popescu;point remains : if the expansion is paid in bitcoin, whosoever wants to participate has to SELL fiast assets and buy bitcoin.
1013061;1423443330;mircea_popescu;if on the other hand expansion is paid in "hard drives" chances are whosoevere wants to participate has to SELL bitcoin to buy fiat assets.
1013062;1423443343;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13426 @ 0.00041313 = 5.5467 BTC [+]
1013063;1423443573;mircea_popescu;!up bitcoinquestions
1013064;1423443576;bitcoinquestions;mircea_popescu: Ah I see. Interesting. That is definitely the case as of today. That being said, let's say I create a company that is able to provide hard drive space for cheaper, but I only accepted payment in BTC. If this company existed would your opinion change?
1013065;1423443600;mircea_popescu;how would this work ? you mean you manufacture the hard drives in house ?
1013066;1423443612;bitcoinquestions;exactly
1013067;1423443648;mircea_popescu;exactly schmexactly. there's a difference between the idle imagination of youth and the knowledge of men. for instance : i know but you don't know that the vast majority of hard drives are produced in the same few acres of asian shore.
1013068;1423443660;mircea_popescu;and that at one point, when they had a flood, hard drive prices exploded on the market by a factor of 3
1013069;1423443663;mircea_popescu;which lasted for a summer.
1013070;1423443678;mircea_popescu;and that if i or anyone else decides to bomb that place that's that for new hard drives for a decade or more.
1013071;1423443907;bitcoinquestions;mircea_popescu: alright fair enough, I was just proposing a hypothetical to make sure I understood your position.
1013072;1423443953;assbot;[MPEX] [S.QNTR] 5000 @ 0.00025459 = 1.273 BTC [+] {2} 
1013073;1423443986;mircea_popescu;how are you to make them ? where do you buy your raw materials for bitcoin ? where do you hire workers and pay them in bitcoin ?
1013074;1423443992;mircea_popescu;on it goes.
1013075;1423444032;kakobrekla;re that story https://www.backblaze.com/blog/backblaze_drive_farming-2/
1013076;1423444038;mircea_popescu;forget that part and think of bandwidth. romania does not have this problem, but the us does. bandwidth accessibility is actually going down, not up, and it looks like it may go away entirely.
1013077;1423444106;bitcoinquestions;mircea_popescu: yeah man everyday I feel more and more that I need to get out of the US
1013078;1423444125;mircea_popescu;so then do.
1013079;1423444130;mircea_popescu;!s jews
1013080;1423444131;assbot;343 results for 'jews' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=jews
1013081;1423444198;bitcoinquestions;mircea_popescu: It isn't that simple, I have loved ones etc.
1013082;1423444229;mircea_popescu;right.
1013083;1423444245;mircea_popescu;kakobrekla not bad.
1013084;1423444670;bitcoinquestions;mircea_popescu: Another question I have for you. Are you happier when the BTC price goes up or when it goes down?
1013085;1423445027;BingoBoingo;!up GoMaD
1013086;1423445355;bitcoinquestions;I would do anything to be able to drive the price down because I'm collecting coins, but I was wondering whether or not there's a point where you are happy with your assets in terms of BTC and then just want to increase the value of the coins
1013087;1423446149;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 63950 @ 0.00039723 = 25.4029 BTC [-]
1013088;1423446322;trinque;bitcoinquestions: having loved ones is a good reason to get out of the US.
1013089;1423446464;trinque;!up bitcoinquestions
1013090;1423446487;bitcoinquestions;trinque: good point haha. Is this channel all in Romania? How is it there?
1013091;1423446523;trinque;no, I live in the US; can't speak for the others
1013092;1423446529;BingoBoingo;bitcoinquestions: This channel has rather good global coverage. Even Africa is included in regular participants. Asian participation is a bit lacking though.
1013093;1423446580;trinque;I will say that listening to those familiar with the soviet collapse has been enlightening
1013094;1423446698;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 41050 @ 0.00039714 = 16.3026 BTC [-] {2} 
1013095;1423447231;cazalla;anyone reading the hong kong 400m bitcoin loss and wondering why it's not on qntra, difficult to ascertain the facts on this one but it would appear hong kong media are clueless.. speaks to qntra's need for a chinese correspondent
1013096;1423447602;BingoBoingo;https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/commit/f19dded6e4bf6b5a345de899863310281846eb61
1013097;1423447603;assbot;Improve robustness of DER recoding code ·  f19dded · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1Dv287g )
1013098;1423447614;trinque;cazalla: interesting, I expected another coin theft but this looks like typical madoff
1013099;1423447974;bitcoinquestions;Does everyone in this channel code?
1013100;1423448102;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 17 @ 0.101 = 1.717 BTC [-] {3} 
1013101;1423448193;BingoBoingo;trinque: Questions go so far as to whether the thing even existed/happened
1013102;1423448314;BingoBoingo;!up bitcoinquestions Depends on your definitions of everyone and code
1013103;1423448342;bitcoinquestions;by code I mean knows a little bit of python and by everyone I mean 75%+
1013104;1423448397;bitcoinquestions;(not python specifically but you get the point)
1013105;1423448528;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 92574 @ 0.00041313 = 38.2451 BTC [+]
1013106;1423448589;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25789 @ 0.00041503 = 10.7032 BTC [+]
1013107;1423448849;BingoBoingo;Well, It's still hard to say
1013108;1423448867;BingoBoingo;Not everyone advertises everything
1013109;1423449159;jurov;yeah, i guess 75% of me codes
1013110;1423449290;BingoBoingo;Question for the foundation: When futzing with bitcoin sources to build more recent phoundation version, changing the constant in alert.cpp to garbage will keep a node so built from recognizing and/or passing a Gavin alert. Yes or no?
1013111;1423449426;BingoBoingo;!up agorecki
1013112;1423449428;jurov;BingoBoingo: depends on the patch
1013113;1423449453;jurov;and i don't see any alert.cpp on 0.5.3
1013114;1423449521;bitcoinquestions;you guys run bitcoin 0.5.3?
1013115;1423449594;danielpbarron;!s thebitcoin.foundation
1013116;1423449595;assbot;21 results for 'thebitcoin.foundation' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=thebitcoin.foundation
1013117;1423449637;jurov;!s pogostick
1013118;1423449638;assbot;3 results for 'pogostick' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=pogostick
1013119;1423449644;jurov;!s pogoplug
1013120;1423449645;assbot;34 results for 'pogoplug' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=pogoplug
1013121;1423449651;jurov;^that.
1013122;1423449682;BingoBoingo;jurov: I'm fucking around on 0.8.6 two lines in alert.cpp in that version possess public keys for verifying "Upgrade Alerts". My gut is telling me that changing the public keys to garbage is going to be the quick dirty way to effectively neuter the alert system in the build. Figure each time I build change the garbage subbing for pubkeys.
1013123;1423450212;jurov;http://btc.yt/lxr/satoshi/source/src/main.cpp?v=0.8.6#3692 after short exploration i found out this
1013124;1423450213;assbot;Satoshi 0.8.6/src/main.cpp ... ( http://bit.ly/16Da1tX )
1013125;1423450239;jurov;i.e. your node would think others misbehave by sending invalid alerts
1013126;1423450282;jurov;better remove whole branch completely
1013127;1423450288;BingoBoingo;Ah
1013128;1423450388;BingoBoingo;Thanks
1013129;1423451176;mod6;BingoBoingo: alerts were snipped via this patch: http://thebitcoin.foundation/turdmeister-alert-snip.tar.gz -- It's not posted to the btc-dev mailing list yet. This might have been because of issues with messages getting snarffed back in Oct./Nov.
1013130;1423451177;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/16Dejl2 )
1013131;1423451224;BingoBoingo;mod6: Saw that. I'm building a different phoundation version for personal use.
1013132;1423451240;mod6;it seems that alerts were probably moved out to their own file in later versions.
1013133;1423451254;mod6;re: alerts.cpp etc.
1013134;1423451349;mod6;asciilifeform: when you get a chance, you should do a new submission to the list for the alert & win32 patches. thx in advance.
1013135;1423451581;mod6;BingoBoingo: fwiw it looks like alerts.[h/cpp] appear in v0.7.0
1013136;1423451596;BingoBoingo;K
1013137;1423451685;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo: My gut is telling me that changing the public keys to garbage is going to be the quick << not that dirty, either.
1013138;1423451905;mircea_popescu;!up bitcoinquestions
1013139;1423451925;mircea_popescu;everyone can "do a little coding' just like any man could ride a horse in 1800.
1013140;1423451935;mircea_popescu;people who can't are simply subhuman.
1013141;1423452390;BingoBoingo;!up Newar
1013142;1423454056;thestringpuller;i keep getting into arguments about non-people (the ones who would put arm in wood chipper)
1013143;1423454071;thestringpuller;flailing my arms yelling "they aren't people!!!"
1013144;1423454603;thestringpuller;"OMG the blocksize limit is too small" last 6 blocks: 108k 26k 112k 97k 553k and 602k
1013145;1423454615;BingoBoingo;!b 1
1013146;1423454616;assbot;Last 1 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/3S3Y83J.txt )
1013147;1423456185;mircea_popescu;!up bitcoinquestions
1013148;1423456226;bitcoinquestions;mircea_popescu: I did a lot more critical thinking about the blocksize limit and holy shit I feel so dumb for ever thinking Gavin's proposal was a good idea.
1013149;1423456268;thestringpuller;bitcoinquestions: http://i.imgur.com/38BlfVp.png
1013150;1423456322;bitcoinquestions;And there's no way Gavin doesn't know exactly what he's doing, right? Like is it possible he convinced himself that it was a good idea?
1013151;1423456372;bitcoinquestions;It's perfectly tricky though - it does at first seem like a good idea.
1013152;1423456536;bitcoinquestions;It seems like something he could convince the masses to upgrade to, but I'm assuming the miners know better than to let that happen, correct?
1013153;1423456540;bitcoinquestions;Like is this a real threat?
1013154;1423456719;mircea_popescu;it's always possible one convinces himself anything's a good idea.
1013155;1423456725;mircea_popescu;see discussion re orwell past few days.
1013156;1423456869;thestringpuller;;;google site:trilema.com woodchipper
1013157;1423456870;gribble;The story of Pointless and Witless pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea ...: <http://trilema.com/2013/the-story-of-pointless-and-witless/>; MPOE, January 2014 Statement pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea ...: <http://trilema.com/mpoe-january-2014-statement>; Notorious M.P. layin down that subliminal shit, na mean ? pe Trilema ...: <http://trilema.com/notorious-mp-layin-down-that- (1 more message)
1013158;1423457176;bitcoinquestions;anyone here wanna play bitcoin bounce? It's a simple game I made up to build up trust. Person A sends person B .5 BTC then person B ends the game by either running with the money or returning .5 BTC. Person B can continue the game by sending Person A 1 BTC back. Rinse and repeat.
1013159;1423457195;bitcoinquestions;The higher you get the higher trust you've established
1013160;1423457395;mircea_popescu;...
1013161;1423457576;thestringpuller;so you wanna play musical chairs?
1013162;1423457602;thestringpuller;or is it hot potato...
1013163;1423457631;mircea_popescu;The tale is told, too, of a certain woman who performed an aeolian crepitation at a dinner attended by the witty Monsignieur Dupanloup, Bishop of Orleans, and that when, to cover up her lapse, she began to scrape her feet upon the floor, and to make similar noises, the Bishop said, "Do not trouble to find a rhyme, Madam!"
1013164;1423457766;thestringpuller;LOL
1013165;1423458741;danielpbarron;!up napedia
1013166;1423458752;danielpbarron;what's up with your friend, napedia?
1013167;1423458866;napedia;I'm guessing you're talking about Daniel. The answer is that there is an internal split at SNI regarding the block size. Daniel is on the other side of Michael and Pierre.
1013168;1423458883;danielpbarron;aha
1013169;1423458901;danielpbarron;and which side are you on?
1013170;1423459058;napedia;I don't write for SNI. My opinion is that I'd like to see SNI sort it out with economic reasoning and good articles. Pierre's arguments are most persusasive.
1013171;1423459118;danielpbarron;i don't think the issue is limited to SNI; surely you have an opinion on the matter
1013172;1423459232;mircea_popescu;people dun have to have an opinion do they
1013173;1423459555;mircea_popescu;!up ascii_modem
1013174;1423459568;ascii_modem;ty
1013175;1423459601;ascii_modem;BingoBoingo: i killed the alert thing with own hands
1013176;1423459617;ascii_modem;what do you need it back for ?
1013177;1423459627;BingoBoingo;ascii_modem: Was killing in it 0.86
1013178;1423459634;BingoBoingo;*o.8.6
1013179;1423459654;ascii_modem;what do you need .8.6 for ?
1013180;1423459739;BingoBoingo;I run a node on 0.8.6 as a charity for the SPV wallet using freeloaders
1013181;1423459808;mircea_popescu;!up aslan
1013182;1423459862;ascii_modem;BingoBoingo: snip same way, or change the key verif. conditional to 0
1013183;1423459893;BingoBoingo;ascii_modem: Mechanism was actually moved sometime between 0.5.3 and 0.8.6
1013184;1423459935;BingoBoingo;Ended up changine pubkey and commenting the alert trigger out of main.cpp
1013185;1423460014;mircea_popescu;"We do not know what he would have said�it is just possible that the unprocurable pamphlet, 1601, would supply a clue but we may guess that it would have wrecked his reputation and reduced his income to reasonable proportions."
1013186;1423460020;mircea_popescu;orwell couldn't get 1601 lol
1013187;1423460058;ascii_modem;mentioned at least half a dozen 'couldn't gets'
1013188;1423460071;ascii_modem;incl. it
1013189;1423460154;mircea_popescu;books suck. proof.
1013190;1423460932;ascii_modem;gas distribution more reliable than electric... <<< no one has yet devised a way of attaching gas pipes to poles above ground. hence - reliable.
1013191;1423460978;mircea_popescu;shit i hope i have these pics somewhere.
1013192;1423460986;mircea_popescu;miles and miles of overland pipage.
1013193;1423461028;ascii_modem;not in residential streets - at least in usa
1013194;1423461087;ascii_modem;likewise, gas does not short-circuit (nearly constant grid load)
1013195;1423461121;mircea_popescu;ascii_modem do you remember that walk when those gypsy girls accosted you ?
1013196;1423461129;ascii_modem;aha!
1013197;1423461137;mircea_popescu;pipes overhead.
1013198;1423461168;ascii_modem;distribution or mains?
1013199;1423461198;mircea_popescu;i dun even recall.
1013200;1423461208;TheNewDeal;soo anyone interested in buy some no on https://bitbet.us/bet/1114/btc-to-rise-vs-usd-in-february/ ?
1013201;1423461209;assbot;BitBet - BTC to rise vs USD in February :: 4.46 B (70%) on Yes, 1.89 B (30%) on No | closing in 2 weeks 2 days | weight: 75`610 (100`000 to 1) ... ( http://bit.ly/170RcSy )
1013202;1423461219;ascii_modem;and now that it was mentioned, can those gurlz smell benjies and at what range...?
1013203;1423461253;ascii_modem;(was my hypothesis)
1013204;1423461371;mircea_popescu;!up ascii_modem
1013205;1423461387;ascii_modem;ty
1013206;1423461500;danielpbarron;!v assbot:danielpbarron.rate.danielkrawisz.-2:9143f035179316633074c1e4c4ce2798d56d610b61fc201aa50d947c24d8451e
1013207;1423461500;assbot;Successfully updated the rating for danielkrawisz from 1 to -2 with note: thinks it is likely that larger blocks would be adopted
1013208;1423461533;ascii_modem;who even was that
1013209;1423461542;mircea_popescu;you know thinking can't be a crime.
1013210;1423461565;danielpbarron;i had a weird feeling about him leading up to this
1013211;1423461588;mircea_popescu;well at the very least express yourself better. i dunno anyone who'd think much of thought crime.
1013212;1423461636;danielpbarron;his argument is that larger blocks mean higher price per BTC
1013213;1423461643;mircea_popescu;'the devil himself knoweth not the mind of men' as the expression goes.
1013214;1423461655;ascii_modem;i'm still at a loss re: who hoped to achieve what, exactly, by sending in the latest ninjaspamz3r
1013215;1423461674;mircea_popescu;ascii_modem yu don't understand how the world works.
1013216;1423461678;mircea_popescu;i need this as an acronym.
1013217;1423461679;danielpbarron;http://nakamotoinstitute.org/mempool/who-controls-bitcoin/
1013218;1423461680;assbot;Who Controls Bitcoin? | Satoshi Nakamoto Institute ... ( http://bit.ly/1yZ8tCx )
1013219;1423461685;ascii_modem;clearly not
1013220;1423461730;danielpbarron;"The general rule about Bitcoin upgrades, therefore, is that upgrades which increase Bitcoin's value will be adopted and those which do not will not. Therefore, Bitcoin is not likely to be upgraded in ways which make it easier to regulate because that would decrease the value of the coins. Bitcoin might be upgraded in ways that make it more anonymous because a more anonymous coin would likely be more valuable. An upgrade whi
1013221;1423461747;mircea_popescu;this is such idiocy the likes of which was never seen.
1013222;1423461768;ben_vulpes;ascii_modem: are you talking about the minor pestilence?
1013223;1423461792;ascii_modem;aha
1013224;1423461794;mircea_popescu;;;later tell danielkrawisz what are you, the second coming of pangloss ?
1013225;1423461794;gribble;The operation succeeded.
1013226;1423461797;mircea_popescu;""It is demonstrable," said he, "that things cannot be otherwise than as they are; for as all things have been created for some end, they must necessarily be created for the best end. Observe, for instance, the nose is formed for spectacles, therefore we wear spectacles. The legs are visibly designed for stockings, accordingly we wear stockings. Stones were made to be hewn and to construct castles, therefore My Lord ha
1013227;1423461797;mircea_popescu;s a magnificent castle; for the greatest baron in the province ought to be the best lodged. Swine were intended to be eaten, therefore we eat pork all the year round: and they, who assert that everything is right, do not express themselves correctly; they should say that everything is best.""
1013228;1423461906;danielpbarron;also from that article: "The nodes that really matter are the ones that provide valuable services. It doesn't matter if you upgrade. What matters is if Coinbase, BitStamp, and Blockchain.info upgrade."
1013229;1423461925;ben_vulpes;big blocks aren't a reality yet.
1013230;1423461931;ben_vulpes;"whatever is is right" has yet to fall
1013231;1423461940;ben_vulpes;big blocks are wrong and won't.
1013232;1423461946;mircea_popescu;lol derp.
1013233;1423461954;mircea_popescu;fine, i'm solkd
1013234;1423461958;ascii_modem;re: stooge squad: simple hypothesis is that the toolkit being used on us was made for others. but - for whom?
1013235;1423461971;ascii_modem;'4chan' ?
1013236;1423461977;mircea_popescu;!rate danielkrawisz -1 go suck a coinbase, bitstamp and whatever cock.
1013237;1423461977;assbot;Request successful, get your OTP: http://w.b-a.link/otp/d1d7269fcba11dd5
1013238;1423462003;mircea_popescu;!v assbot:mircea_popescu.rate.danielkrawisz.-1:0e9ea38f1062dcfd1454f73db6e35003e335253868749cfbf6e95385c3f03dec
1013239;1423462003;assbot;Successfully added a rating of -1 for danielkrawisz with note: go suck a coinbase, bitstamp and whatever cock.
1013240;1423462403;mircea_popescu;http://trilema.com/2015/let-us-translate-from-english-to-english/ << if anyone cares, mark twain's "unprocurable" pornopamphlet. trasnslated.
1013241;1423462404;assbot;Let us translate. From English to English. pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.  ... ( http://bit.ly/170VPMq )
1013242;1423462590;ascii_modem;it needed translation?!?
1013243;1423462617;ben_vulpes;i too boggle somewhat
1013244;1423462620;ascii_modem;i read it as is...
1013245;1423462655;mircea_popescu;no, it didn't.
1013246;1423462659;mircea_popescu;i needed to translate it.
1013247;1423462720;ascii_modem;ah for sport.
1013248;1423462737;mircea_popescu;right. perfectly fine as it is, but what is more tempting than to mess with an accomplished writer's words ?
1013249;1423462750;mircea_popescu;think of it as, "i translated emacs to lisp"
1013250;1423462765;mircea_popescu;or w/e, names not important.
1013251;1423462766;ascii_modem;aha.
1013252;1423462807;mircea_popescu;i think incidentally, that this is the fundamental impulse driving most bowdlerization.
1013253;1423462828;mircea_popescu;it is not the "moral" considerations that drive it. the moral considerations are merely the pretext under which the inept hand takes refuge.
1013254;1423462847;mircea_popescu;derp wants to rewrite X. but how to do it safely ? AH! I KNOW....
1013255;1423462877;ascii_modem;not only bowdlerizations but gavinizations
1013256;1423462892;mircea_popescu;quite possibly.
1013257;1423462925;mircea_popescu;it does make perfect sense in its devilish fatlogic system. lennart wants to matter, yes ? but how to do it safely ? AT JOB!
1013258;1423462989;mircea_popescu;most starlets with youth fading, most inept actresses, most voiceless singers take refuge in scandal, because hey, "being controversial" is a good excuse to never consider if you're in fact any good.
1013259;1423463023;ascii_modem;see orwell's piece on s. dali
1013260;1423463053;mircea_popescu;im nopt that advanced yet.
1013261;1423463075;mircea_popescu;rarely has it been the case that a man did a more thorough job of crushing himself before my eyes.
1013262;1423463087;ascii_modem;touched on the pathology in question
1013263;1423463088;mircea_popescu;and i come from a time and place where they had delatiune
1013264;1423463093;mircea_popescu;which doesn't even exist in english.
1013265;1423463137;mircea_popescu;(delatio -nis)
1013266;1423463160;ascii_modem;what was it ?
1013267;1423463201;mircea_popescu;well the word means false police report for pay. but generally, the sort of late warsaw pact atmosphere.
1013268;1423463211;mircea_popescu;"oh, your wife ? yeah she was writing weekly notes since 1972"
1013269;1423463215;mircea_popescu;!up ascii_modem
1013270;1423463236;mircea_popescu;basically, what the various "law enforcement officers" do in court these days.
1013271;1423463236;ascii_modem;aha, стукачи
1013272;1423463256;mircea_popescu;not exactly.
1013273;1423463260;mircea_popescu;the chief element is familiarity.
1013274;1423463273;mircea_popescu;not very far off at any rate.
1013275;1423463282;ascii_modem;yes that was the original type
1013276;1423463309;ascii_modem;old witch who writes denunciation every day, etc
1013277;1423463364;mircea_popescu;attracts a particularly felonious type, too. there's this guy, who claimed he never worked with the secret police, then they found fiddy pounds worth of notes, at which point he declared that it was the patriotic duty of everyone to help the secret police!
1013278;1423463380;mircea_popescu;well if it was, then wh ythe fuck did you spend five years denying it.
1013279;1423463399;mircea_popescu;"modesty".
1013280;1423463415;ascii_modem;eventually they always turn up, those fiddypounds'o'notes
1013281;1423463437;ascii_modem;i would like the writers to remember this.
1013282;1423463457;mircea_popescu;how was that line, "self serving minds have little trouble overcoming memory" ?
1013283;1423463503;ascii_modem;aha
1013284;1423463578;ascii_modem;battery low and bedtime now
1013285;1423463615;mircea_popescu;alf poetry.
1013286;1423463621;mircea_popescu;!b 2
1013287;1423463621;assbot;Last 2 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/08HN0S2.txt )
1013288;1423463677;mircea_popescu;http://bash.bitcoin-assets.com/?quote=371 << b-a, cheaper than lsd!
1013289;1423463678;assbot;#bitcoin-assets bash ... ( http://bit.ly/1xUGjao )
1013290;1423463748;TheNewDeal;;;bc,stats
1013291;1423463751;gribble;Current Blocks: 342664 | Current Difficulty: 4.127287389469702E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 342719 | Next Difficulty In: 55 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 9 hours, 6 minutes, and 12 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 44550240491.7 | Estimated Percent Change: 7.94073
1013292;1423463761;TheNewDeal;8% you say gribbble?
1013293;1423463789;mircea_popescu;could be worse.
1013294;1423463905;TheNewDeal;agreed
1013295;1423464063;TheNewDeal;if anyone is interested in the bitbet repurchase, refer to explanation here http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=05-02-2015#1009188
1013296;1423464063;assbot;Logged on 05-02-2015 20:41:39; TheNewDeal: Anyone interested in a bitbet repurchase?
1013297;1423464078;TheNewDeal;good evening and good night
1013298;1423464084;TheNewDeal;!down TheNewDeal
1013299;1423467077;mircea_popescu;!t m s.qntr
1013300;1423467077;assbot;[MPEX:S.QNTR] 1D: 0.00025399 / 0.00025459 / 0.00026 (5000 shares, 1.27 BTC), 7D: 0.00018731 / 0.00022253 / 0.00026 (28038 shares, 6.24 BTC), 30D: 0.000174 / 0.00022151 / 0.00026 (28655 shares, 6.35 BTC)
1013301;1423467080;mircea_popescu;heh not bad.
1013302;1423467131;mircea_popescu;;;calc  0.00022151 * 158788
1013303;1423467132;gribble;35.17312988
1013304;1423467140;mircea_popescu;teh media empire worth north of 7k!
1013305;1423467403;mircea_popescu;http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/2v6mkh/what_bitcoin_blog_news_or_content_websites_do_you/ << check out how helpful reddit is lmao.
1013306;1423467404;assbot;What bitcoin blog, news or content websites do you follow ? : Bitcoin ... ( http://bit.ly/16Ee9tM )
1013307;1423467478;mircea_popescu;seems pretty obvious who's gonna crush everyone. also seems everyone knows it.
1013308;1423467533;thestringpuller;HAH
1013309;1423467535;thestringpuller;http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/2v6mkh/what_bitcoin_blog_news_or_content_websites_do_you/coewsch
1013310;1423470448;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 100600 @ 0.00039703 = 39.9412 BTC [-]
1013311;1423471317;kakobrekla;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-4-hEfqpxIg
1013312;1423471319;assbot;2081 : Everyone Will Finally Be Equal - subtitle pt-br - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1zNMy3M )
1013313;1423471714;cazalla;gee what an afternoon, kid makes a run for it while changing his nappy, i end up covered in shit and then piss
1013314;1423471780;cazalla;and the missus was out so there i stood holding him with one hand to stop him grabbing it and unsure how to clean the mess up with the one remaining hand (got in the shower in the end)
1013315;1423472034;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 8012 @ 0.00082934 = 6.6447 BTC [+] {12} 
1013316;1423472331;thestringpuller;cazalla: ugh young children. they scare me. i think as I get older I am developing child-phobia.
1013317;1423472382;cazalla;thestringpuller, some days i regret it, some days not, but i could only stand and laugh at this one today
1013318;1423474455;thestringpuller;;;later tell mircea_popescu re: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=23-12-2014#959292 << Namworld did manage to salvage enough to be usable. Even after his departure its still running, at least for now.
1013319;1423474455;gribble;The operation succeeded.
1013320;1423476487;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22600 @ 0.00039667 = 8.9647 BTC [-] {3} 
1013321;1423476676;thestringpuller;;;later tell PeterL scoopbot is always down when I post new article :P
1013322;1423476676;gribble;The operation succeeded.
1013323;1423478004;cazalla;thestringpuller,  "results in a complete loss of any pm�s I may have had open." <<< now it all makes sense!
1013324;1423478501;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20164 @ 0.00039644 = 7.9938 BTC [-]
1013325;1423478561;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 2233 @ 0.00084547 = 1.8879 BTC [+] {5} 
1013326;1423478562;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 116631 @ 0.00039456 = 46.0179 BTC [-]
1013327;1423478944;fluffypony;http://i.imgur.com/vxoA8AN.jpg
1013328;1423478945;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/16JCy1t )
1013329;1423480148;davout;does anyone know about MyCoin ?
1013330;1423480149;davout;http://www.scmp.com/news/hong-kong/article/1707565/investors-fear-hk3b-losses-closure-bitcoin-trading-company
1013331;1423480151;assbot;Investors fear HK$3b losses in closure of bitcoin trading company | South China Morning Post ... ( http://bit.ly/1A4YhhC )
1013332;1423480213;davout;never heard about it, but apparently they're putting bs&t to shame with a $400mn loss, sounds doubtful
1013333;1423480399;punkman;davout, what kind of hyip would publish actual numbers
1013334;1423480475;cazalla;davout, i think it's a bitcoin company in name only, fiat ponzi otherwise but there is so much conflicting info out there that qntra didn't publish anything as of yet
1013335;1423480806;davout;ok thanks, surprisingly bitcointalk has some info that sounds pretty plausible https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=949975.0
1013336;1423480807;assbot;FAKE news: "3 billion HKD lost" in Mycoin.hk bitcoin exchange runoff ... ( http://bit.ly/16JHTWx )
1013337;1423486004;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 38600 @ 0.00039456 = 15.23 BTC [-]
1013338;1423487650;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13000 @ 0.00039699 = 5.1609 BTC [+]
1013339;1423491310;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23605 @ 0.00039699 = 9.3709 BTC [+]
1013340;1423491554;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 55303 @ 0.00039456 = 21.8204 BTC [-]
1013341;1423491858;Naphex;o/
1013342;1423491900;danielpbarron;http://www.returnofkings.com/55524/americas-booty-obsession-is-another-symptom-of-social-decline Egypt and Argentina, historically the most advanced countries on their respective continents, also prefer boobs. The U.S. is the only first world nation in the Butt column
1013343;1423491901;assbot;  America’s Booty Obsession Is Another Symptom Of Social Decline ... ( http://bit.ly/1DwF5c8 )
1013344;1423492842;fluffypony;Naphex:)
1013345;1423492848;Naphex;sup fluffypony
1013346;1423492850;Naphex;:))
1013347;1423492861;fluffypony;how's it going?
1013348;1423492896;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18871 @ 0.00039456 = 7.4457 BTC [-]
1013349;1423492902;Naphex;nothing much, working a lot lately
1013350;1423492957;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 49329 @ 0.00039398 = 19.4346 BTC [-] {2} 
1013351;1423493034;fluffypony;oh cool - what you up to nowadays?
1013352;1423493151;mike_c;i just spit out a mouthful of coffee :D  "mircea_popescu:it is ANOTHER discussion to propose that you pile all the donkeys on top of the camels and then throw the lot in the river"
1013353;1423493198;Naphex;fluffypony: well its going to be something really fun :)
1013354;1423493205;fluffypony;awesome
1013355;1423493230;Naphex;and a bitcoin exclusive. i'll keep it down low a bit until i get closer to launch date :D
1013356;1423493239;Naphex;fluffypony: its porn though :D
1013357;1423493259;fluffypony;well that is quite a change from your last work :-P
1013358;1423493398;danielpbarron;lol
1013359;1423493426;Naphex;hehe
1013360;1423494177;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23200 @ 0.00039946 = 9.2675 BTC [+]
1013361;1423496150;nubbins`;https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=950041.0
1013362;1423496150;assbot;2011 Casascius 1 BTC Series-1 ERROR HOLO ... ( http://bit.ly/192duUI )
1013363;1423496153;nubbins`;eff why eye
1013364;1423496270;thestringpuller;http://casascius.uberbills.com/?address=17jQvv24kHXpW9RctP2SoE12Z8Z45euQG9
1013365;1423496313;nubbins`;dat 2011 funding date
1013366;1423496316;mircea_popescu;nubbins` 1.75 not bad
1013367;1423496349;nubbins`;it's the dirtiest coin i have, figured i'd pawn it off and replace with a nicer specimen
1013368;1423496417;thestringpuller;you're going to buy another one with the proceeds?
1013369;1423496417;thestringpuller;lol
1013370;1423496421;nubbins`;incidentally, i have a 1.125oz Canadian numismatic piece from 2013 that I priced the other day... has increased in value by 50% since last summer o.O
1013371;1423496426;nubbins`;thestringpuller not precisely, no.
1013372;1423496447;thestringpuller;my cascius coin is my first bitcoin ever purchased
1013373;1423496461;nubbins`;i'm going to buy another with "my money"
1013374;1423496483;nubbins`;whether this is the same money i receive from the sale of this coin is, i believe, inconsequential
1013375;1423496484;thestringpuller;not incredibly inclined to sell it off for sentimental reasons etc
1013376;1423496505;*;mircea_popescu thinks this entire "numismatics as an investment" thing is not unlike the "my balcony garden as a tomato farm" thing, but hey.
1013377;1423496508;nubbins`;my first bitcoin ever purchased was smoked
1013378;1423496538;nubbins`;mircea_popescu i really just like shiny things
1013379;1423496565;nubbins`;but once you get an eye for it, you're better able to identify what people will desire in the future
1013380;1423496565;mircea_popescu;lol. nubbins` la pie.
1013381;1423496596;nubbins`;trying to decide if "magnubs" or "nubpie" is the more appropriate portmanteau
1013382;1423496616;nubbins`;anyway
1013383;1423496625;nubbins`;generally numismatics are a poor way to invest money
1013384;1423496650;nubbins`;casascius market is full of fucking morons though
1013385;1423496700;mircea_popescu;a pie a une manie : elle vole tout ce qui brille :D
1013386;1423496729;mircea_popescu;i'd expect it's exactly as full of morons as bitcoin generally, just, you have better benchmarks in that corner.
1013387;1423496759;nubbins`;je voudrais quelque choses, what they are, no one knows!
1013388;1423496771;nubbins`;mircea_popescu you might be onto something
1013389;1423496792;nubbins`;remember the time i sold two 0.5-btc casascius coins for 27 btc? o.O
1013390;1423496829;mircea_popescu;notrly, but i can see it
1013391;1423496853;nubbins`;sadly, i don't think this will be replicated
1013392;1423496878;thestringpuller;such profit
1013393;1423496896;nubbins`;many nod
1013394;1423497105;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11200 @ 0.00039946 = 4.474 BTC [+]
1013395;1423498381;nubbins`;https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=764452.msg9460046#msg9460046
1013396;1423498382;assbot;Change my name! "I am __ Satoshi __." ... ( http://bit.ly/1vAiSsA )
1013397;1423498615;nubbins`;http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/newfoundland-labrador/armed-forces-applicant-cites-discrimination-over-anxiety-diagnosis-1.2949644
1013398;1423498617;assbot;Armed Forces applicant cites discrimination over anxiety diagnosis - Newfoundland & Labrador - CBC News ... ( http://bit.ly/1vAjaQh )
1013399;1423498621;mircea_popescu;derp wants someone to pay for his surgery because one month's worth of government dole is too much for him ?
1013400;1423498639;nubbins`;kid's a natural soldier, just look at him
1013401;1423498648;mircea_popescu;i meant the butter zone idjit.
1013402;1423498951;nubbins`;nod
1013403;1423498954;nubbins`;wait, surgery?
1013404;1423498964;nubbins`;i thought he just wanted someone to pay $500 for him to change his middle name
1013405;1423498980;nubbins`;also, who the fuck hates the name "jonathan" so much that they wanna change it? what a loser
1013406;1423499008;nubbins`;;;google jonathan richman since she started to ride
1013407;1423499008;gribble;Jonathan Richman - Since She Started to Ride - YouTube: <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ysaBHTwazjk>; Jonathan Richman- "Since She Started to Ride" 40 Watt Club 2/6/10 ...: <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4husgN00OqQ>; Jonathan Richman – Since She Started to Ride – Listen and ...: <http://www.last.fm/music/Jonathan+Richman/_/Since+She+Started+to+Ride>
1013408;1423499014;nubbins`;^ first link, straight up
1013409;1423499089;nubbins`;“I just want to do some time for my country, give it some service,” Cooper, 17, told CBC News.
1013410;1423499097;nubbins`;do some time? give it some service?
1013411;1423499119;nubbins`;i think the kid is unsure as to whether the armed forces is a prison or a gang bang
1013412;1423499179;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 1974 @ 0.0007821 = 1.5439 BTC [-] {6} 
1013413;1423499199;nubbins`;leaving aside the fact that the kid faked a SINGLE panic attack TWO YEARS AGO in order to get out of an exam
1013414;1423499211;nubbins`;and was put on prozac and diagnosed with a DISORDER
1013415;1423499249;mircea_popescu;lol sounds porny.
1013416;1423499423;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 43350 @ 0.00039203 = 16.9945 BTC [-]
1013417;1423499823;nubbins`;"I don't think that people should have to hide the fact that they have a mental illness," Cooper said.
1013418;1423499825;nubbins`;lel
1013419;1423499848;nubbins`;"i don't think people should have to hide the fact that they have blood-borne pathogens" says the guy with Hep C who can't donate blood
1013420;1423499913;mircea_popescu;more importantly, who can't donate sperm. to women. directly.
1013421;1423499950;mircea_popescu;anyway, people only should hide the fact that they have a mental ilness if they wish to get shot.
1013422;1423500003;mircea_popescu;incidentally, my measure to resolve the "police violence" thing would be a) everyone with a mental issue must wear a funny hat.
1013423;1423500015;nubbins`;i thought that's why cops wore funny hats.
1013424;1423500020;mircea_popescu;it is.
1013425;1423500023;mircea_popescu;but too one-sided.
1013426;1423500382;davout;today #b-a explains the fedoras thing
1013427;1423500424;mircea_popescu;lol
1013428;1423500532;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=09-02-2015#1013313 <<< i tell you, getting the girls only, and after a decade or two is the best policy.
1013429;1423500532;assbot;Logged on 09-02-2015 08:48:34; cazalla: gee what an afternoon, kid makes a run for it while changing his nappy, i end up covered in shit and then piss
1013430;1423500694;mircea_popescu;davout: never heard about it, but apparently they're putting bs&t to shame with a $400mn loss, sounds doubtful << yeah srsly, sounds like pure bs.
1013431;1423500719;mircea_popescu;1mn dollars AVERAGE exposure over 3k investors ?
1013432;1423500744;davout;400mn loss for 3000 investors -> 133k/investor
1013433;1423500800;mircea_popescu;yeah in usd. still, this is like mpoe level, i very much doubt it.
1013434;1423500811;mircea_popescu;it's possible, obviously, the chinese are nazi-private, but i dun really see it.
1013435;1423500822;davout;the whole thing is pure bs
1013436;1423500857;davout;according to some random bitcointalk dude the chinese journalist computed the loss by multiplying fake bitcoins on the order book by the current market price
1013437;1423500888;asciilifeform;;;bc,stats
1013438;1423500888;mircea_popescu;oh lol
1013439;1423500890;mircea_popescu;heh nm.
1013440;1423500893;gribble;Current Blocks: 342729 | Current Difficulty: 4.44554159623438E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 344735 | Next Difficulty In: 2006 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 5 days, 22 hours, 36 minutes, and 23 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 66783348140.5 | Estimated Percent Change: 50.22545
1013441;1423500898;asciilifeform;326535.
1013442;1423500902;mircea_popescu;in this sense... ethereum will be a loss to people.
1013443;1423500909;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform neat. this the pc valgrind ?
1013444;1423500918;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: aha
1013445;1423500991;asciilifeform;i kinda forgot why i even set that one up
1013446;1423501004;asciilifeform;iirc, we already know what there is to know re: that version
1013447;1423501015;mircea_popescu;assbot: America�s Booty Obsession Is Another Symptom Of Social Decline << i also like ass.
1013448;1423501030;mircea_popescu;yes but you;re supposed to let things finish
1013449;1423501040;asciilifeform;that must've been it
1013450;1423501068;asciilifeform;plus to see if can get any of the legendary wedges
1013451;1423501073;mircea_popescu;mhm
1013452;1423501170;mircea_popescu;mike_c like the butcher said, "i merely follow the lulzlines already present".
1013453;1423501421;mike_c;hehe, yeah, that was a good one
1013454;1423501493;mircea_popescu;to a large degree, it was obvious that once we move from "inflation pays for it" to "you gotta pay for it" the "consumers have come to expect" were going to throw a shitfest.
1013455;1423501504;mircea_popescu;what that changes... ask them, not me, to borrow an alfism.
1013456;1423501576;mike_c;it was always "you gotta pay for it".  most people just don't connect the dots to understand that's what inflation is.
1013457;1423501621;mircea_popescu;god preserve me from heresy but! so far inflaiton has actually been beneficial for bitcoin.
1013458;1423501658;mircea_popescu;one could never have made a bitcoin without a block reward. this, of course, means that we now have a promise to renege on. but i'm not about to start reneging on promises.
1013459;1423501792;*;thestringpuller makes note to look at this specific log later with popcorn in hand
1013460;1423501814;asciilifeform;wai, wat, promise ?
1013461;1423501826;mike_c;21m
1013462;1423501829;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform yes. "bitcoin will continue to function as before"
1013463;1423501833;mircea_popescu;not merely 21mn.
1013464;1423501839;mike_c;that's a big one though.
1013465;1423501844;mircea_popescu;biggest, yes.
1013466;1423501859;mircea_popescu;but economy is built on money and thus fungible. a bunch of small ones add up.
1013467;1423501870;asciilifeform;'...with strange eons even death may die' etc
1013468;1423501892;mircea_popescu;beheading naked kings on the vaguest whiff of approaching even small ones -> best policy.
1013469;1423502901;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 42900 @ 0.00040139 = 17.2196 BTC [+] {2} 
1013470;1423503221;mircea_popescu;http://time.com/3135722/ohio-morgue-sex-kenneth-douglas/
1013471;1423503223;assbot;Kenneth Douglas Says He Had Sex With Up to 100 Dead Bodies ... ( http://bit.ly/1A61Ynj )
1013472;1423503287;asciilifeform;'A key piece of evidence was Douglas� wife�s testimony that when she called to report her husband coming home from work smelling like sex and alcohol, she was told �whatever happens on county property, in county time, is county business.�'
1013473;1423503291;asciilifeform;^ mega-l0l
1013474;1423503322;mircea_popescu;cunty biznis.
1013475;1423503445;mircea_popescu;!up xeal
1013476;1423503463;mircea_popescu;it's a fact that beards grow after death. i wonder if women lubricate through a similar process.
1013477;1423503477;mircea_popescu;one of those things only a mortician would know./
1013478;1423503497;asciilifeform;iirc not grow but fail to shrink at pace with the rest of the face
1013479;1423503501;asciilifeform;and hence appear to grow
1013480;1423503503;mircea_popescu;right.
1013481;1423503523;asciilifeform;the subject of juices was explored in some detail in the famous comic 'sexy losers'
1013482;1423503530;asciilifeform;to which the word 'fap' is also credited
1013483;1423503662;mircea_popescu;i neversaw this ?
1013484;1423503717;thestringpuller;I wonder why justusravnier "wants adoption" his other blogposts seem sane...
1013485;1423503776;thestringpuller;I guess people just don't like being told, "Hey you're poor, and excluded from this cool thing nao cause you are useless. Kthxbai."
1013486;1423503803;mircea_popescu;i dunno. sent him a http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=16-01-2015#979042 no answer yet.
1013487;1423503803;assbot;Logged on 16-01-2015 05:10:16; mircea_popescu: justusranvier http://qntra.net/2015/01/transaction-fees-and-the-future-of-bitcoin/#comment-7394
1013488;1423503824;davout;thestringpuller: no, some people had, buried somewhere in them, the idea that bitcoin would not only be money, but 'nice money'
1013489;1423503831;davout;'fair money'
1013490;1423503889;asciilifeform;davout: 'Yes, it was once the case that you had to be a financier to send an intact penny across the ocean.  But the fact that Bitcoin enables you to do so does not turn you into a financier.  Nobody cancelled �money makes money.� It would be rather like demanding that an asteroid should have the gravitational pull of Earth.  The Third Rock From The Sun can hold an atmosphere and your piece of cosmic flotsam can�t.  Such
1013491;1423503890;asciilifeform; is life.  Quantity still has �a quality all its own.�  Ten million dollars buys you a money printer, but ten dollars do not.  Not even a proportionately-smaller one.  Everyone who hopes to see some kind of democratizing influence in Bitcoin is gravely misguided: by some indications, the Bitcoin ecosystem is at least as �top heavy� as the world of meatspace finance.' << my ancient article
1013492;1423503896;mircea_popescu;http://sexylosers.com/262.html << shitty ux omfg.
1013493;1423503897;assbot;#262 - Chafed Dickens [5 of 5] ... ( http://bit.ly/1A64bPF )
1013494;1423503939;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform exactly.
1013495;1423503939;thestringpuller;davout how is money ever fucking fair? one person having more resources that are finite means another person has less?!?!?
1013496;1423503969;davout;thestringpuller: 'fair money' exists in the mind of redditards, don't ask me what it means
1013497;1423503976;mircea_popescu;davout daughter of the wider insanity "everything new is better" married with the patently nuts "better is what i imagine it to be".
1013498;1423504009;thestringpuller;so people are entitled to use bitcoin...why?
1013499;1423504019;mircea_popescu;coming from people who utterly refuse to admit they;d be better off in chains in someone;'s basement... well... what's to be expected.
1013500;1423504045;thestringpuller;"Because it's my fucking right to use bitcoin even though I contribute nothing to it."
1013501;1423504059;davout;yeah, also low fees pl0x
1013502;1423504079;thestringpuller;Oh yea, we need to check our bitcoin privelage... >:(
1013503;1423504081;davout;"sure you can use bitcoin if you want to"
1013504;1423504088;mircea_popescu;THE CONSUMERS HAVE COME TO EXPECT
1013505;1423504110;davout;TCHCTE yo
1013506;1423504111;asciilifeform;refuse to admit they;d be better off in chains in someone;'s basement << afaik most of'em are boys and thus can expect only butugychag
1013507;1423504124;mircea_popescu;expect != better off.
1013508;1423504157;mircea_popescu;http://sexylosers.com/261.html << ahahah
1013509;1423504158;assbot;#261 - Chafed Dickens [4 of 5] ... ( http://bit.ly/1A64QAs )
1013510;1423504159;asciilifeform;meant, who needs them in basement? not me.
1013511;1423504164;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform do yo uknow these people ?
1013512;1423504177;asciilifeform;which
1013513;1423504192;mircea_popescu;sexy losers
1013514;1423504192;thestringpuller;this is like coworker who brings team down but is never fired because government keeps them working
1013515;1423504205;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: not personally. but i thought it was one of the most famous www comics ever published
1013516;1423504221;thestringpuller;So the redditards want to impose straight up communism on us?
1013517;1423504221;mircea_popescu;So please do not send me the following types of E-mail: "commission requests -- I just do not have the time for commissions"
1013518;1423504224;mircea_popescu;wtf is wrong wit hthe world.
1013519;1423504236;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform i never saw an online comic before oglaf.
1013520;1423504256;asciilifeform;there were as many as drops in the sea
1013521;1423504302;asciilifeform;i knew about 'oglaf' and 'sexy losers.'
1013522;1423504312;asciilifeform;the only memorable ones i ever saw.
1013523;1423504328;asciilifeform;the latter has been dead for many years, iirc
1013524;1423504340;danielpbarron;even i briefly authored a web commic, although i don't think any copies of it remain anywhere
1013525;1423504363;mircea_popescu;abadoned 2009 so mkay.
1013526;1423504547;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 79850 @ 0.00039203 = 31.3036 BTC [-]
1013527;1423504746;mircea_popescu;by the way, if ne1 here has a fetlife account, i finally moved over, drop me a line.
1013528;1423504896;mircea_popescu;http://sexylosers.com/257.html bwahahah
1013529;1423504897;assbot;#257 - Chafed Dickens [1 of 5] ... ( http://bit.ly/1A67aro )
1013530;1423505129;danielpbarron;http://www.atruechurch.info/masturbation.html The sexual desire is a God given desire (Romans 11:36) and it is not evil in and of itself (Romans 14:14). Moreover, God has made a way for even those who are not married (male or female), or those who are away from their spouse (like a soldier at war), to at least somewhat satisfy the sexual drive via masturbation. It is oppressive to teach that such an act is against the will o
1013531;1423505130;assbot;A True Church - Masturbation ... ( http://bit.ly/1A680Em )
1013532;1423505203;mircea_popescu;the entire "every sperm is sacred" thing is more reaction-catholicism than anything.
1013533;1423505226;mircea_popescu;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fUspLVStPbk
1013534;1423505228;assbot;Every Sperm is Sacred - Monty Python's The Meaning of Life - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1A68mea )
1013535;1423505303;danielpbarron;catholics freely admit that they don't follow the Bible, and that some guy with a funny hat can arbitrarily change the rules as he pleases
1013536;1423505319;ben_vulpes;it is all a bit silly.
1013537;1423505322;mircea_popescu;actualy, papal infallibility is ancient law.
1013538;1423505341;mircea_popescu;also reaction catholicism, but more 600ish than 1800ish
1013539;1423505348;ben_vulpes;right up there with the sovereignty of sovereigns.
1013540;1423505375;mircea_popescu;hey, technically a valid claim. all of europe exists as embezzled provinces of the roman empire.
1013541;1423505466;mircea_popescu;o wait. i thought you meant the pope's (abandoned) claim of sovereignity over teh sovereigns.
1013542;1423505535;davout;aaaaaand we're back to hats for nutjobs
1013543;1423505591;mircea_popescu;speaking of hats for nutjobs, always remember to wear your condom!
1013544;1423505598;danielpbarron;lol
1013545;1423505625;mircea_popescu;speaking of which, condoms = masturbation don't they.
1013546;1423505650;mircea_popescu;http://sexylosers.com/007.html << bwahahah.
1013547;1423505651;assbot;#007 - Suicide Prevention Week ... ( http://bit.ly/1A69H4U )
1013548;1423505676;mircea_popescu;"hey, suicide guy, you gonna kill youself ?" "yeah. life sucks." "wanna fuck first ?" "no, you freak!" "i guess ima have to wait for your body to wash ashore."
1013549;1423505777;danielpbarron;in Bible terms, it's enough to "lay with" someone, or "know her," or "see her nakedness" ; not sure a condom would get in the way of those things
1013550;1423505872;davout;danielpbarron: i heard gavin andresen wants to add a couple extra chapters to it, for moar adopshun
1013551;1423505885;danielpbarron;he wouldn't be the first
1013552;1423505899;mircea_popescu;considering how it came to be...
1013553;1423505928;mircea_popescu;"oh, people mock us for being essentially jew torrent artists ? FINE. WRITE A CONTINUATION."
1013554;1423505947;davout;christians are on gavinbible, jooz run pogobibles
1013555;1423505970;danielpbarron;jews add too; they have sets of books of "oral tradition" separate from the scriptures
1013556;1423506012;davout;danielpbarron: it's ok to have sidechains!
1013557;1423506012;mircea_popescu;davout well the split happened after some pretty heavy duty pruning.
1013558;1423506062;davout;mircea_popescu: what pruning?
1013559;1423506086;mircea_popescu;the jew books are about 5x the new+old testament.
1013560;1423506117;davout;ah, i see
1013561;1423506120;asciilifeform;approx. the same size as a set of 'britannica.'
1013562;1423506159;mircea_popescu;and yes, on top of that there's a web of commentary stretching out approx to the roman period.
1013563;1423506172;mircea_popescu;roughly about the same weight as what in europe constitutes "the humanities".
1013564;1423506177;mircea_popescu;the us doesn't have an equivalent.
1013565;1423506178;ben_vulpes;asshat talmud when
1013566;1423506198;mircea_popescu;(so a bunch of idiot chicks are trying to write it, out of boring gender and race stories)
1013567;1423506494;mircea_popescu;in fact, as ridiculous as mormonism is, he is an exact copy. the cultural relationship between judaism and christianity is exactly the same as between christianity and mormonism : a barely literate lout ran off with a few pages and made his own, self-important "variant",
1013568;1423506510;mircea_popescu;much in the way kids used to replace the "made by" strings in the old 8086 days with a hex editor.
1013569;1423506512;asciilifeform;fork
1013570;1423506719;nubbins`;re: sexy losers
1013571;1423506727;nubbins`;any of you remember when it was called "the thin H line"?
1013572;1423506733;asciilifeform;me.
1013573;1423506752;nubbins`;iirc the guy got outed in meatspace and had to "disappear" the old name
1013574;1423506764;nubbins`;turns out he worked with kids in some capacity? heh
1013575;1423506766;asciilifeform;now this - i never knew.
1013576;1423506792;nubbins`;i can't recall the details, but i feel like at the time it was a sort of "english teacher overseas" thing
1013577;1423506813;mircea_popescu;seems he lives in japan
1013578;1423506815;nubbins`;and his employers caught whiff of this necro-mastur-porn comic he did
1013579;1423506829;mircea_popescu;english teacher ;likely thing for a foreigner there to do.
1013580;1423506830;nubbins`;it went down for a while, came back as "sexy losers"
1013581;1423506838;mircea_popescu;mebbe he actually went because he wanted to jacvk off to 12yo jap gals.
1013582;1423506851;nubbins`;mircea_popescu you probably would not be surprised at how common this is
1013583;1423506873;nubbins`;speaking from experience, roughly half of all ESL teachers are "strange"
1013584;1423506878;mircea_popescu;indeed.
1013585;1423506897;asciilifeform;at one point, it was possible for virtually anyone who speaks engl. to find work in jp 'teaching'
1013586;1423506906;asciilifeform;('90s-?)
1013587;1423506911;nubbins`;incidentally, a guy i went to uni with, and whom i help get oriented on his first day in south korea, is now a straight-up major label pop star
1013588;1423506921;nubbins`;asciilifeform 90s-late 2000s
1013589;1423506934;nubbins`;technically 90s-present depending on your tolerance for working illegally
1013590;1423506997;mircea_popescu;fwiw, this particular sort of strange would definitely benefit from support more than OUTRAGE OMG!!1
1013591;1423507015;mircea_popescu;on one hand, it does exactly nothing to anyone, including the kids in question, that some weirdo jacks off.
1013592;1423507022;mircea_popescu;on the other hand, man... that's some serious issues.
1013593;1423507094;mircea_popescu;on my tenuous grasp of insanity, it'd seem that it's an entirely vacuous thing, which takes the shape you impose upon it. if you insist it's dangerous... it will probably grow some dangerous appendages. if you treat it as benign, it will basically be benign.
1013594;1423507126;nubbins`;it's only okay to have /some/ mental illnesses
1013595;1423507150;mircea_popescu;i dunno what's more alienating than the bizarre that obviously feeds this comic strip.
1013596;1423507153;nubbins`;hm i recall this one SL comic
1013597;1423507163;mircea_popescu;i mean, neurosis is one thing. this however...
1013598;1423507180;nubbins`;girl goes to porn audition, guy says "we have roles left in two films: 'beaten to death by hard cock' and 'do not talk to me, just cum on my face'"
1013599;1423507183;nubbins`;girl says "hmmmmm"
1013600;1423507203;nubbins`;later seen in change room, face glazed, asking girl covered in bruises "so what film were you in?"
1013601;1423507265;mircea_popescu;is this like a blonde joke ?
1013602;1423507415;nubbins`;http://sexylosers.com/194.html
1013603;1423507416;assbot;#194 - Bukkake Nights ... ( http://bit.ly/1z1q4JZ )
1013604;1423507896;mircea_popescu;http://sexylosers.com/036.html << lolz.
1013605;1423507900;assbot;#036 - Calling Doctor Lovetalk ... ( http://bit.ly/1IEM5YS )
1013606;1423507965;ben_vulpes;blast from the past!
1013607;1423508012;mircea_popescu;back when you were shy ?
1013608;1423508124;ben_vulpes;dunno that i've ever been shy
1013609;1423508922;thestringpuller;ben_vulpes: but you have been coy ;)
1013610;1423509444;cazalla;nubbins`: incidentally, a guy i went to uni with, and whom i help get oriented on his first day in south korea, is now a straight-up major label pop star <<< western kpop stars exist?
1013611;1423509490;nubbins`;;;google used cassettes
1013612;1423509491;gribble;USED CASSETTES - 열대,우리 (OFFICIAL MUSIC VIDEO) - YouTube: <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RHDbvKT4dOo>; 유즈드 카세트 | Facebook: <https://ko-kr.facebook.com/usedcassettesseoul>; Used Cassettes (@usedcassettes) | Twitter: <https://twitter.com/usedcassettes>
1013613;1423509654;cazalla;nubbins`, not my sorta music, i'll stick to hyuna
1013614;1423509691;nubbins`;;;google crying nut circus magic wanderers
1013615;1423509692;gribble;Crying Nut - Circus Magic - YouTube: <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NgkSTFbWGPg>; 100Beat's 100 Best Korean Albums of the '90s - Rate Your Music: <http://rateyourmusic.com/list/Samzpoke/100beats_100_best_korean_albums_of_the_90s/>; South Korean punk discography - Tian An Men 89 Records: <http://www.tam89records.com/southkorea.html>
1013616;1423509732;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 76800 @ 0.00039463 = 30.3076 BTC [+] {2} 
1013617;1423509962;thestringpuller;http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/2vbi45/i_find_it_comedic_that_people_think_bitcoin_can/ << moar lulz!!!!
1013618;1423509973;thestringpuller;i love this block size/hard fork "debate"
1013619;1423511235;mircea_popescu;"It's largely engineers who think about it in terms of game theory. They think that if you have unlimited blocksize, then the cost of transactions will go to zero because there will always be a competitor that is willing to include transactions even if you're charging X. They believe this will cause a race to bottom and there won't be any incentive for miners to secure the network because they can't cover costs.
1013620;1423511235;mircea_popescu;I think of it from the perspective of utility. "
1013621;1423511246;mircea_popescu;o look at it, suddenly the arguments that didn't exist now exist ?
1013622;1423511254;mircea_popescu;except they don't have a source, somehow, magically ?
1013623;1423511277;mircea_popescu;"something i heard from all the people that all read trilema but i won't mention this"
1013624;1423511331;asciilifeform;'Ye Queene.�O' God's name, who hath favored us? Hath it come to pass yt a fart shall fart itself?'
1013625;1423511335;mircea_popescu;what i find comedic is the sort of schmuck that thinks he'll survive on intellectual dishonestly. here's the story : if i made it and you stole it, whatever you think about it and however you're representing it... it'll still work for me. not for you. that's the thing with culture.
1013626;1423511368;mircea_popescu;five years ago romania was replete with kids who rewrote trilema articles about this and that to be like all cool and civilised and worldly and whatnot.
1013627;1423511382;mircea_popescu;five years later... shit, it's the same thing. herp.
1013628;1423511435;mircea_popescu;but anyway : it's not "mostly engineers". it's 100% of all the business people actually involved with bitcoin.
1013629;1423511475;pete_dushenski;maybe "mostly engineers" are those horse-riding folk
1013630;1423511481;pete_dushenski;the ones who can code a bit
1013631;1423511497;thestringpuller;o look a pete_dushenski
1013632;1423511497;mircea_popescu;at any rate,  all this talk of "utility of bitcoin" can get fucked. it's a flimsy if doomed and in any case transparent attempt to frame the question in fiat terms.
1013633;1423511502;thestringpuller;gotten me writin' blog posts again
1013634;1423511507;thestringpuller;:P
1013635;1423511508;mircea_popescu;the utility OF EVERYTHING justifies itself in bitcoin terms.
1013636;1423511510;pete_dushenski;thestringpuller: heya :)
1013637;1423511519;mircea_popescu;bitcoin itself is money. that means BEYOND ANY UTILITY CONSIDERATION.
1013638;1423511521;mircea_popescu;fucking period.
1013639;1423511544;thestringpuller;mircea_popescu: what I don't get is why people are freaking out they will have to pay a lot of money to use the system?
1013640;1423511545;mircea_popescu;all it has to do is make sure it's the best money. which it did. once that's done, utility is not a concern. you will work the blockchain if you have to do it by hand in dank cellars chained to the wall,
1013641;1423511545;pete_dushenski;like the sun is energy
1013642;1423511554;mircea_popescu;and ship the results by horse courrier
1013643;1423511575;thestringpuller;How do poor people have this much energy to be this vocal about something they will not be able to control...
1013644;1423511586;mircea_popescu;repackaging of ther "oh, utility of mining, all that electrictiy burned for nothing" crapolade.
1013645;1423511598;pete_dushenski;thestringpuller: because that's what makes them poor
1013646;1423511604;pete_dushenski;as per the definition
1013647;1423511612;mircea_popescu;the point of money is exactly this : that it may not itself be measured. there's no "utility" of money. it exclusively exists to measure everything else.
1013648;1423511616;asciilifeform;if fleas could speak, i imagine they would be similarly vocal about the proper behaviour of dogs
1013649;1423511619;pete_dushenski;their energy has no utility
1013650;1423511621;mircea_popescu;every redditard's mother, can be measured in bitcoin.
1013651;1423511641;pete_dushenski;to which: http://www.contravex.com/2015/02/09/the-value-of-a-life/
1013652;1423511642;assbot;The value of a life. | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski ... ( http://bit.ly/1DYItud )
1013653;1423511652;pete_dushenski;man i know how to time it
1013654;1423511678;pete_dushenski;i'm generous enough to propose that the value of a free and productive man is a bitcent
1013655;1423511693;thestringpuller;asciilifeform: Yes, but back in the day people would just die after wasting too much energy trying to change something absolute in inevitability. (Doing rain dances during droughts instead of looking into irrigation).
1013656;1423511727;thestringpuller;It's like the dinosaurs getting mad at mammals instead of the asteroid or something like that.
1013657;1423511737;pete_dushenski;"what is the utility of a centimetre!"
1013658;1423511751;thestringpuller;!b 1
1013659;1423511752;assbot;Last 1 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/1DWGJDH.txt )
1013660;1423511916;pete_dushenski;"Cathy Engelbert has been named chief executive of Deloitte LLP, the first woman to become CEO of one of the Big Four accounting firms in the U.S."
1013661;1423511926;pete_dushenski;oh sweet another fallguy
1013662;1423511930;mircea_popescu;what big four ? one of them died with enron neh ?
1013663;1423511937;mircea_popescu;are they bringing the corpse back in on the quiet ?
1013664;1423511952;pete_dushenski;pwc, deloitte...
1013665;1423511981;pete_dushenski;google says kpmg, e&y
1013666;1423512008;mircea_popescu;o they just promoted one
1013667;1423512017;pete_dushenski;myea guess so
1013668;1423512048;mircea_popescu;no more arthur andersen
1013669;1423512102;pete_dushenski;the "new" 4 are all $25-35 bn in annual revenue
1013670;1423512117;pete_dushenski;160k-210k employees
1013671;1423512126;pete_dushenski;so roughly of comparable size
1013672;1423512146;mircea_popescu;funny, aa had like 80k iirc.
1013673;1423512158;mircea_popescu;apparently accountancy become a pretty good business in the us, past decade.
1013674;1423512171;mircea_popescu;who knew that expropriation creates bureaucracy1
1013675;1423512177;pete_dushenski;you nailed it: 85k employees, $9bn revenue in '02
1013676;1423512191;mircea_popescu;so "twice the money" except it's probably the same value,
1013677;1423512206;mircea_popescu;and twice the employees so half the real salaries.
1013678;1423512221;pete_dushenski;sure, that's be like what 6% inflation over 13 years
1013679;1423512231;pete_dushenski;closer to 5 even
1013680;1423512284;pete_dushenski;and wikitardia is saying that aa was part of the "big five"
1013681;1423512310;mircea_popescu;retrospectively ?
1013682;1423512370;pete_dushenski;seems so ? link for "big five" goes to "big four" article...
1013683;1423512377;mircea_popescu;lol
1013684;1423512384;mircea_popescu;it all makes sense in retrospect!
1013685;1423512413;pete_dushenski;"of course the usd was going to vanish!"
1013686;1423512437;mircea_popescu;"we said so all along"
1013687;1423512558;pete_dushenski;oh and another scoop from yesterday: http://www.contravex.com/2015/02/08/this-is-how-it-feels/
1013688;1423512559;assbot;This is how it feels. | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski ... ( http://bit.ly/1DYMdvF )
1013689;1423512615;mircea_popescu;pete_dushenski the vid is actually quite credible.
1013690;1423512618;mircea_popescu;it has the look.
1013691;1423512726;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: to this day there are rumours that the food was 'hidden somewhere' by usg stooges to cause shortages.
1013692;1423512736;mircea_popescu;ayup
1013693;1423512737;asciilifeform;and widely believed.
1013694;1423512741;mircea_popescu;"the good tzar"
1013695;1423512770;mircea_popescu;"it is not possible we just simply suck. our excellent goodness is hidden somewhere. if we coud just unleash the real we..."
1013696;1423512816;asciilifeform;moar like 'it is not possible that the burst of suction came at just the ideally convenient time, direction, and vacuum pressure.'
1013697;1423512824;asciilifeform;(without help)
1013698;1423512825;pete_dushenski;mircea_popescu: that video was quite literally one of that saddest things i've seen in months
1013699;1423512851;asciilifeform;wai wat ?
1013700;1423512854;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform am i hiding all the good nsa agents somewhere too ?
1013701;1423512859;asciilifeform;l0l
1013702;1423512937;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: all the good agents are busy hunting for ilfak guilfanov, they wanna find new version of 'ida pro'.
1013703;1423512943;asciilifeform;best theory
1013704;1423512983;asciilifeform;(he and his sales derps are notoriously hard to get a hold of. one of the smallest - moneywise - and simultaneously ill-behaved monopolies i know of!)
1013705;1423512996;pete_dushenski;wiki says ilfak lives in liege
1013706;1423513003;pete_dushenski;not a huge place afaik
1013707;1423513009;asciilifeform;aha now go buy from him.
1013708;1423513030;mircea_popescu;it's only a monopoly by virtue of everyone else being retards
1013709;1423513034;asciilifeform;aha
1013710;1423513035;asciilifeform;how else.
1013711;1423513037;mircea_popescu;oh , im sorry. "do-ocracistst"
1013712;1423513079;mircea_popescu;well, normally monopoly is like this : i hire five ex convicts to beat up any boy that stands up, thus leaving me the only eligible teenager i nthe highschool. because no girl wants to fuck any of the other losers.
1013713;1423513085;asciilifeform;it's a genuine monopoly, vs. usg derpopoly. as in, there is literally nothing that is fit to so much as lick the product's boots
1013714;1423513087;mircea_popescu;THIS monopoly is more like, i'm the only kid that washes.
1013715;1423513093;mircea_popescu;not a monopoly in any sense.
1013716;1423513112;mircea_popescu;this is good and proper natural-ness. things as they should be.
1013717;1423513131;asciilifeform;'coca colas' with no 'pepsis' at their heels tend to grow stupider
1013718;1423513143;pete_dushenski;because ida isn't supressing competition
1013719;1423513156;pete_dushenski;not like ilfak is lobbying the state
1013720;1423513178;asciilifeform;one can do a certain amount of 'suppression' just by being l33t enough
1013721;1423513185;mircea_popescu;this is not supression.
1013722;1423513188;asciilifeform;as in, everybody else gives up.
1013723;1423513197;mircea_popescu;yeah. that's what's supposed to happen.
1013724;1423513198;asciilifeform;net effect, one guy
1013725;1423513208;asciilifeform;who starts going mad in his juices
1013726;1423513210;mircea_popescu;it's not a matter of effects. it's a matter of causes.
1013727;1423513240;asciilifeform;not that there is really any pill against this kind of thing
1013728;1423513256;mircea_popescu;moreover, this "follow effects bs" is what leads one to "property is theft"
1013729;1423513258;asciilifeform;but it's a problem, and anyone even casually involved in the field (of named example) is aware of it
1013730;1423513264;mircea_popescu;after all, "the net effect is same"
1013731;1423513273;mircea_popescu;i fail to see how it is a problem.
1013732;1423513277;mircea_popescu;explain it to me.
1013733;1423513335;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: the proggy is a misery to use; works very half-heartedly anywhere other than winblows; costs $maxint; and, more direly, is not especially actively maintained. but there is nothing remotely like an alternative, not even a 'distant second', nor is anyone (afaik) remotely contemplating the idea of making one.
1013734;1423513351;mircea_popescu;but i mean the problem.
1013735;1423513371;mircea_popescu;so far all we got is "x sucks"
1013736;1423513381;asciilifeform;x sucks and no competition
1013737;1423513400;asciilifeform;because the hero is not yet born.
1013738;1423513400;mircea_popescu;this can't be a problem. it's like mp's triangle : x sucks , no competition, anyone cares.
1013739;1423513402;mircea_popescu;pick two.
1013740;1423513413;asciilifeform;no one cares -enough-
1013741;1423513419;mircea_popescu;so then.
1013742;1423513419;asciilifeform;local maxima.
1013743;1423513438;mircea_popescu;so then sit in your locale and be happy
1013744;1423513445;mircea_popescu;why do you wanna go in locales you don't like the maxima.
1013745;1423513472;pete_dushenski;seems like alf just "wishes it were better"
1013746;1423513486;pete_dushenski;and would probably even endeavour to make it so if "only had the time"
1013747;1423513492;mircea_popescu;every wish is sacred, every wish is good...
1013748;1423513502;mircea_popescu;but i can see his point. waste of time to go into the guts of windows.
1013749;1423513504;pete_dushenski;just my reading between the lines
1013750;1423513506;mircea_popescu;so... don't.
1013751;1423513507;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: try to realize that to the extent reverse-engineered drivers exist for various things, the entire undertaking stands - and falls - on w4r3z 'ida pro' as much as on leaked/stolen docs
1013752;1423513520;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform i understand that part.
1013753;1423513542;asciilifeform;it's one of the elephants/tortoises on which the entire thing shakily stands.
1013754;1423513559;asciilifeform;and it's a lame elephant with gangrenous legs.
1013755;1423513560;pete_dushenski;turtle swimming through the stars...
1013756;1423513562;mircea_popescu;and you're right in pointing out that ida is probably a thing to rewrite, alongside gpg, etc
1013757;1423513605;asciilifeform;dwarfs most of the projects we've discussed here in the sheer intrinsic gnarliness.
1013758;1423513659;mircea_popescu;which is why not muchly discussed.
1013759;1423513663;asciilifeform;the part i was trying to answer was 'why do you wanna go in locales you don't like the maxima'
1013760;1423513712;mircea_popescu;it may be the case that the maxima is fine.
1013761;1423513718;mircea_popescu;ie, that's the best that can be had.
1013762;1423513744;asciilifeform;winblows is axiomatically not part of any future 'best that can be had' that i'm willing to interoperate with.
1013763;1423513760;mircea_popescu;yeah why the fucxk did the guy write it in win anywa
1013764;1423513760;asciilifeform;as a usg appendage, it is for the furnace.
1013765;1423513794;asciilifeform;why orcs tend to write, think, live, breathe in winblows, is worthy of its own thread.
1013766;1423513799;asciilifeform;but it is a well-established fact
1013767;1423513801;asciilifeform;unfortunately.
1013768;1423513847;asciilifeform;my understanding is that ru, cn folks, by and large, never gave even a basic fuck re: open source whatever, until very recently and still insignificantly
1013769;1423513858;mircea_popescu;odd.
1013770;1423513860;asciilifeform;because on no account did anyone there remotely contemplate paying for software
1013771;1423513869;asciilifeform;or foreign warez being unavailable
1013772;1423513869;mircea_popescu;but that's not really what's deriving it.
1013773;1423513880;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31300 @ 0.00039203 = 12.2705 BTC [-]
1013774;1423513883;mircea_popescu;i suppose the problem is that the us is fully aspirational, whereas the ru world a lot more practical.
1013775;1423513886;asciilifeform;aha
1013776;1423513888;pete_dushenski;i think it's the "it worked for the us" thing again
1013777;1423513889;asciilifeform;cn - same
1013778;1423513902;mircea_popescu;no dude seriously contemplates telling parents / prospect / parents of prosepct that "he contributes to wikipedia"
1013779;1423513906;pete_dushenski;same as concrete highways to nowhere
1013780;1423513930;mircea_popescu;odd that foss got a lot further in latin america.
1013781;1423513943;mircea_popescu;if it were "it worked for us" it'd be mre latin america and less ru.
1013782;1423513946;mircea_popescu;not the other way around.
1013783;1423513949;pete_dushenski;romania too afaik
1013784;1423513951;asciilifeform;there is also a parallel, historical explanation
1013785;1423513961;pete_dushenski;likes foss
1013786;1423513962;asciilifeform;in late-years ussr, university education included unix
1013787;1423513977;asciilifeform;but all the native pdp clones, their unixen, etc. were sent to the dump
1013788;1423513987;asciilifeform;when native, and then imported ibm pc compatibles appeard
1013789;1423513989;mircea_popescu;hm.
1013790;1423513996;asciilifeform;instantly - msdos and then winblows
1013791;1423514021;mircea_popescu;odd.
1013792;1423514043;pete_dushenski;latin america has really only imitated the us to the extent that they've been forced to
1013793;1423514046;asciilifeform;by the time it became practical to keep a unix box at home in ru, most of the 'candidates' for this were already enjoying the rewards of writing elaborate winblows crapware, etc.
1013794;1423514057;pete_dushenski;russia has done so because... grocery stores
1013795;1423514133;mircea_popescu;basically the problem is negative incentives. lots of money to be made from windows holes.
1013796;1423514142;asciilifeform;not primarily holes
1013797;1423514144;asciilifeform;but warez
1013798;1423514158;asciilifeform;the tradition of parasitizing on foreign devs for virtually all needs - continued
1013799;1423514184;*;mircea_popescu shrugs.
1013800;1423514308;asciilifeform;somewhat tangentially, it was never at all likely that a thing like 'ida' would be produced by anyone other than a thinking man who happens to be a hardcore winblows user.
1013801;1423514318;mircea_popescu;not enough need ?
1013802;1423514328;asciilifeform;have to be a fanatical scholar of winblowsism.
1013803;1423514341;mircea_popescu;true, this.
1013804;1423514347;mircea_popescu;obviously, it has source code, right ?
1013805;1423514394;asciilifeform;referring here to instances where microshit sources leaked ?
1013806;1423514397;asciilifeform;(or what)
1013807;1423514431;mircea_popescu;no, ida itself.
1013808;1423514437;asciilifeform;aha
1013809;1423514441;mircea_popescu;it's not hand written straight into bytecode.
1013810;1423514450;mircea_popescu;so at some point the corp's gonna go bankrupt and you can buy the code then
1013811;1423514457;mircea_popescu;prolly for cheap as nobody cares.
1013812;1423514467;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: gonna bet that it'll end up in the same place as symbolics sources
1013813;1423514478;mircea_popescu;where's that ?
1013814;1423514484;asciilifeform;usg limbo
1013815;1423514496;asciilifeform;'dog in the manger'
1013816;1423514540;mircea_popescu;this is not very clear.
1013817;1423514554;mircea_popescu;and what were symbolics sources in anyway, cl ?
1013818;1423514565;asciilifeform;i happen to know with fair degree of certainty that the number one buyer of 'ida' is usg.
1013819;1423514573;asciilifeform;at least, as of several years ago.
1013820;1423514629;mircea_popescu;hm.
1013821;1423514646;asciilifeform;the symbolics sources in the usual sense (of lisp) are largely on 'pirate bay'. but they are quite useless without the chip design.
1013822;1423514664;mircea_popescu;hey, any foxy force five chicks in the audience : there's a job to bust into the liege offices of a tiny firm and steal source code. catsuit optional. get in touch.
1013823;1423514712;asciilifeform;as an experiment, i spoke to dave schmidt (actual person, went to his house, bought an ancient machine.) pleasant old man. and asked re: buying docs. he claimed that he was not at liberty to sell, at any price, due to pacts with usg.
1013824;1423514727;asciilifeform;as far as i remember the conversation, that's the part that stuck with me.
1013825;1423514749;asciilifeform;http://symbolics-dks.com
1013826;1423514751;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1APS2y1 )
1013827;1423514778;mircea_popescu;well, so you can have them post-usg
1013828;1423514779;asciilifeform;^ used to be 'symbolics.com' - oldest registered .com - in fact. but dks sold it to spammers (yes) to pay bills a few yrs ago.
1013829;1423514789;mircea_popescu;not entirely clear to me who cares about an obsolete chip design, but hey.
1013830;1423514820;*;asciilifeform in his judgement does not believe it to be 'obsolete' in the normal sense of the word.
1013831;1423514830;cazalla;http://qntra.net/2015/02/germany-austrias-project-bitcrime/  ;;rate -10000 scoopbot lazy, doesn't come around these parts much anymore
1013832;1423514831;assbot;Germany & Austria's Project BITCRIME | Qntra.net ... ( http://bit.ly/1APSn3T )
1013833;1423514887;mircea_popescu;mebbe you're right.
1013834;1423514893;mircea_popescu;;;seen peterl
1013835;1423514893;gribble;peterl was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 3 days, 0 hours, 37 minutes, and 1 second ago: <PeterL> My wife's bike was once stolen out of our garage ... whoever took it left their bike sitting in our yard. It was the weirdest thing.
1013836;1423514897;pete_dushenski;cazalla: i concur wholeheartedly
1013837;1423514899;asciilifeform;foxy force five chicks << the funny part is that very little would change re: the situation of 'ida' if the author published his sources tomorrow.
1013838;1423514910;asciilifeform;it's in gnarly, stinking cpp, similar to bitcoind...
1013839;1423514912;mircea_popescu;dude what is this thing, everyone can make sites nobody can keep them online.
1013840;1423514933;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform listen. wanting for the sake of want is not enough. you gotta want something.
1013841;1423514942;asciilifeform;... and want enough.
1013842;1423514950;asciilifeform;as in, willing to bleed
1013843;1423514979;asciilifeform;this point is under-appreciated
1013844;1423515126;asciilifeform;(to any 'symbolics' fans: my investigations suggest - but do not prove! that the rights to the assets were purchased, several years ago, by an nsa shill corp. for somewhere south of 5m usd.)
1013845;1423515260;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform by the way, for what it's worth you should probably make a complete wish list and publish it.
1013846;1423515271;mircea_popescu;you never know what the next bundle of leaks includes, or who's a reader.
1013847;1423515290;mircea_popescu;so far the biggest problem anon suffers from is that it doesn't really know what to get.
1013848;1423515358;pete_dushenski;"On the 1st of October 2014 we invested ฿1 in the house bank of the top 9 bitcoin gambling investments sites"
1013849;1423515365;asciilifeform;the truly interesting leaks would be the 'great mysteries' cited in http://www.loper-os.org/?p=1323 - but the boojum lies in the total impossibility of authenticating any such leak.
1013850;1423515366;assbot;Loper OS » A Country of Which Nothing is Known but the Name. ... ( http://bit.ly/1APULYf )
1013851;1423515373;pete_dushenski;result: "37% scam rate & -24% ROI in 5 months"
1013852;1423515395;mircea_popescu;pete_dushenski hehehe sounds bout right.
1013853;1423515419;pete_dushenski;because who needs a wot amirite ?
1013854;1423515421;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform again, wanting for the sake of wanting is no gooid. you gotta want something.
1013855;1423515428;mircea_popescu;pete_dushenski tell em not me :D
1013856;1423515448;pete_dushenski;lol this cult is the best choir though
1013857;1423515452;asciilifeform;i'll elaborate re: above: 'directorate xxx was unable to break rsa despite five quadrillion bezzlars blown in five years' is only mildly interesting because directorate yyy might have a functioning voodoo doll from whose arsehole keys drip on demand. etc.
1013858;1423515471;asciilifeform;leak cannot 'prove a negative'
1013859;1423515533;mircea_popescu;practical. "i want the chip designs for the original symbolics. i want pictures of malia obama eating out sasha obama. i want the average bra size of us uniforms"
1013860;1423515536;mircea_popescu;actionable stuff.
1013861;1423515590;mircea_popescu;http://sexylosers.com/115.html lol
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1013865;1423517988;thestringpuller;mircea_popescu: "Who's actually arguing this? The Romanian camel dude?"
1013866;1423517990;thestringpuller;^LOL
1013867;1423517997;mircea_popescu;huh ?
1013868;1423518028;thestringpuller;http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/2vbi45/i_find_it_comedic_that_people_think_bitcoin_can/cogb9f2 < from redditards
1013869;1423518056;thestringpuller;i thought it was funny. i laugh at beavis and butthead. reddit is pretty much that.
1013870;1423518078;mircea_popescu;shit, reddit was mike judge's comeback all along ?
1013871;1423518085;mircea_popescu;fuck, son... i am surprist.
1013872;1423518116;thestringpuller;just need to wait from some kid to die from doing something they saw on reddit
1013873;1423518181;thestringpuller;"The world doesn't need millions of copies of the blockchain. 10,000 copies is probably enough." << the pseudo-arguments just get funnier and funnier
1013874;1423518232;danielpbarron;why not one copy run by gavin himself?
1013875;1423518319;mircea_popescu;there's little funnier than watching the socialist/libertard lot coming to terms with the notiopn that their collective anal rings are gripping on my cock whenever i feel like.
1013876;1423518334;mircea_popescu;the only serious promise bitcoin makes is, there's more of that to come.
1013877;1423518349;asciilifeform;where is the sign that they are coming to terms with any of it ?
1013878;1423518351;thestringpuller;"No, Gavin said this can still run on a normal internet connection. Other alt-coin have "master node" and all that crap. Nobody force anyone to be a full node, and nobody that is currently running a full node is complaining.
1013879;1423518354;thestringpuller;The idea is not to prevent bitcoin but to empower it."
1013880;1423518356;mircea_popescu;"oh, we're so right and in agreement and important and relevant!111"
1013881;1423518370;thestringpuller;LOL. "But Gavin told us it does run on "normal" internet"
1013882;1423518376;thestringpuller;!ascii pogo count
1013883;1423518377;thestringpuller;lolol
1013884;1423518388;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform well, frantic activity is not just a cover-up for impotence. it is also the first step towards acceptance.
1013885;1423518413;asciilifeform;all i can see (with admittedly untrained eye) is the usual daily anthill
1013886;1423518416;asciilifeform;and its usual motions
1013887;1423518435;thestringpuller;asciilifeform: it's like person who struggling under water while drowning
1013888;1423518437;mircea_popescu;well yes. an anal ring is, the usual cellular chemistry, and biodynamics.
1013889;1423518445;mircea_popescu;just, it pulsates around a different pole these days is all.
1013890;1423518454;mircea_popescu;minor point, obviously.
1013891;1423518474;thestringpuller;asciilifeform: first tehy scream and panic and eventually just take it
1013892;1423518488;thestringpuller;like stages of grief it appears
1013893;1423518697;mircea_popescu;http://sexylosers.com/141.html lawl.
1013894;1423518698;assbot;#141 - Four Boobies and a Funeral II ... ( http://bit.ly/16HYsSf )
1013895;1423518733;mircea_popescu;you know, the entire point of the "hypocrisy" of civilisation, and the accumulated pile of ridiculous, wrong and stupid
1013896;1423518739;mircea_popescu;it's all here to avoid this situation.
1013897;1423518922;mircea_popescu;http://sexylosers.com/146.html also not bad
1013898;1423518923;assbot;#146 - Finger Play III ... ( http://bit.ly/16HZA8t )
1013899;1423520064;danielpbarron;"GIT - the stupid content tracker, the revision control system heavily used by the Linux kernel team"  << description of git package in gentoo, lol
1013900;1423520247;mircea_popescu;what's gentoo use ?
1013901;1423520332;*;danielpbarron shrugs
1013902;1423520367;mircea_popescu;inb4 perl
1013903;1423520557;BingoBoingo;www.raspberrypi.org/xenon-death-flash-a-free-physics-lesson/ << Engineering oversight mega-lol
1013904;1423520582;asciilifeform;!s phototransistors
1013905;1423520583;assbot;2 results for 'phototransistors' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=phototransistors
1013906;1423520586;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo ^
1013907;1423520699;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: I'm just wondering why they included the bare silicon die sitting atop solder balls. I know their goal is "cheap" but it seems like they crossed over into "cheap"
1013908;1423520716;mircea_popescu;it's small.
1013909;1423520729;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: SOP in chinese crap. but traditionally there is a blob of black epoxy over them. in this case - starvation-cheap, omitted the epoxy.
1013910;1423520895;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 92800 @ 0.00039163 = 36.3433 BTC [-] {2} 
1013911;1423521322;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 42000 @ 0.00039597 = 16.6307 BTC [+] {2} 
1013912;1423521377;cazalla;while i sit here and eat the carrot cake i made last night and enjoy a cuppa, you know what would be really good? a cake tin that bakes slices of cake so that every slice is an end bit
1013913;1423521422;mircea_popescu;what are you, elaine ?
1013914;1423521489;cazalla;funny you mention that, a slice and the topper of son's first birthday cake is in the freezer.. will remain there for god knows how long
1013915;1423521951;mircea_popescu;knew a guy that actually buried it with a tree he planted.
1013916;1423521963;mircea_popescu;then when the kid was like 12, some dude drove into the tree
1013917;1423521987;mircea_popescu;sawed it right off. then this guy was about to kill the driver while waitig for ambulance
1013918;1423522009;BingoBoingo;!b 4
1013919;1423522010;assbot;Last 4 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/1717ZA3.txt )
1013920;1423522053;cazalla;i'd just as soon throw it in the bin but.. missus demands to keep it for some reason despite the fact it will eventually go into the bin yet take up freezer room for fucking years to come
1013921;1423522247;*;asciilifeform considered miniaturized cryostats for consumer market at one point, for weirdos like this
1013922;1423522291;mircea_popescu;if only there was semiconductor
1013923;1423522299;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30850 @ 0.00039821 = 12.2848 BTC [+]
1013924;1423522328;asciilifeform;superconductor ?
1013925;1423522372;mircea_popescu;right
1013926;1423522426;mircea_popescu;forget lasers, those things'd make some pretty kickass engines.
1013927;1423522431;asciilifeform;cheap enough cryostat would give you cheapo superconductor, but afaik - not vice versa
1013928;1423522562;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform a wire with no resistence consumes no energy right ? but electric charge moving still creates field, right ?
1013929;1423522570;mircea_popescu;infinity efficiency compressor.
1013930;1423522576;asciilifeform;nope.
1013931;1423522581;asciilifeform;2nd law violation.
1013932;1423522599;mircea_popescu;don';t bust the dream. mebbe 2nd law is repealed :D
1013933;1423522603;asciilifeform;l0l
1013934;1423522663;mircea_popescu;!up cjc
1013935;1423522683;asciilifeform;think this way, the moving charge in the superconductor is analogous to the motions of other bodies which do no 'work' in the thermodynamic sense
1013936;1423522731;cjc;Thanks mircea_popescu, How are you today?
1013937;1423522779;mircea_popescu;i ate too much chocolate cake.
1013938;1423522783;mircea_popescu;otherwise, fine. why ?
1013939;1423522804;cjc;I would like chocolate cake -- but will instead have pizza delivered soon.
1013940;1423522824;*;asciilifeform by sheer coincidence also ate too much chocolate cake
1013941;1423522831;cjc;No reason for asking other than salutations.
1013942;1423522853;mircea_popescu;pizza schmizza. home made (actually, slave made!) black sponge cake with bananas in a rich chocolate ganache. from scratch!
1013943;1423523016;cjc;It would be nice to have been eating desert instead right now.
1013944;1423523032;cjc;dessert, rather?
1013945;1423523117;mircea_popescu;depends if you had any sand in mind.
1013946;1423523120;TheNewDeal;Deserts not a bad meal either
1013947;1423523408;cjc;When you describe the black sponge cake from scratch... it sounds like you have happy and well kept slaves.
1013948;1423523431;mircea_popescu;for teh most part.
1013949;1423523497;mircea_popescu;speaking of which, there's a bitcoin kink group. 90 guys of which 50% over 50, 10 gals, of which half from thailand.
1013950;1423523508;asciilifeform;http://srom.zgp.org << mega-lol
1013951;1423523509;assbot;Operating System Sucks-Rules-O-Meter   ... ( http://bit.ly/1veGTjh )
1013952;1423523593;cazalla;always found it bizarre "winners don't use drugs" would appear in the arcade games i played here, didn't even know what drugs were at the time
1013953;1423523622;mircea_popescu;early branding.
1013954;1423523631;cazalla;i'm 10, playing TMNT.. why is DOJ telling me about drugs?
1013955;1423523671;mircea_popescu;so you recognize it later.
1013956;1423523686;mircea_popescu;otherwise local druglord' be all "hey kid, want some drugs ?" and you'd be "huh ?"
1013957;1423523788;cjc;eh, oddly enough -- once my friends from high school started having kids and telling me how the doctors wanted to pump them up with pills as soon as they were school age..
1013958;1423523807;cjc;it seems the pusher is the school teacher for "behavioral meds" or the doctor
1013959;1423523901;asciilifeform;cjc: http://mazepath.com/uncleal/ritalin3.htm http://mazepath.com/uncleal/ritalin2.htm
1013960;1423523902;assbot; "I WAS ALL MESSED UP ON DRUGS... ... ( http://bit.ly/1CN4Zt9 )
1013961;1423523903;assbot; SPEED HEALS ... ( http://bit.ly/1CN4YFx )
1013962;1423523910;mircea_popescu;heh.
1013963;1423523912;asciilifeform;at this point, ancient tradition.
1013964;1423523938;*;asciilifeform still thinks it's reddit, not the dope, that gives us the 'nobody born after '90 is worth talking to' situation.
1013965;1423523972;mircea_popescu;wakit
1013966;1423523979;mircea_popescu;aderall is actually meth !?
1013967;1423523984;asciilifeform;neh
1013968;1423523989;cjc;apparently
1013969;1423524004;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform it';s the parents, the meds, the other kids in this order, my guess.
1013970;1423524012;TheNewDeal;Its the dumbed down version
1013971;1423524044;thestringpuller;no adderall is pretty much meth
1013972;1423524045;mircea_popescu;!up taub
1013973;1423524067;asciilifeform;http://www.cmaj.ca/content/178/13/1679/F1.large.jpg
1013974;1423524069;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1CN5vr1 )
1013975;1423524078;mircea_popescu;!gettrust assbot taub
1013976;1423524078;assbot;Trust relationship from user assbot to user taub: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. | http://w.b-a.link/trust/assbot/taub | http://w.b-a.link/user/taub
1013977;1423524087;mircea_popescu;!rate taub 1 Voice
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1013979;1423524119;asciilifeform;i'll let BingoBoingo explain how one has faster blood-brain penetration than other, lipid solubility, etc.
1013980;1423524122;asciilifeform;if he feels like it
1013981;1423524142;thestringpuller;cazalla: I thought about that a lot throughout college.
1013982;1423524146;taub;thank you
1013983;1423524150;taub;i cant into pgp
1013984;1423524182;thestringpuller;Did the feds think, "You know who is doing drugs these days, kids in the arcades with no parental supervision."
1013985;1423524189;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9933 @ 0.00039821 = 3.9554 BTC [+]
1013986;1423524206;taub;well it's 'just' amphetamine, but very similar to meth
1013987;1423524209;taub;meth is just way more potent
1013988;1423524210;thestringpuller;The whole bart simpson era of "troublemakers" which I really don't understand since most of them do coke to work their 80 hour a week jobs.
1013989;1423524250;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8967 @ 0.00040229 = 3.6073 BTC [+]
1013990;1423524259;asciilifeform;it is interesting that open literature contains substantially less useful info on what a particular variety of dope 'does' than it might seem, because of what used to be called 'comorbidities'
1013991;1423524324;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform in fairness : the only practical way to reduce the 7-8 bn to the more sane lower tens of millions is this.
1013992;1423524330;mircea_popescu;what else ? shoot them ?
1013993;1423524331;taub;when you take your adderall like prescribed by the doctor, i think its a pretty safe drug tho
1013994;1423524335;taub;not gonna eat holes into your brain
1013995;1423524343;asciilifeform;i.e. the 'before and after' faces found in various usg propaganda depict people who not only took $dopeoftheday but were perpetually pickled, smoked everything and anything that burns, contracted every known vd, etc.
1013996;1423524347;cazalla;thestringpuller, reminds me.. you seen that video of the black kid in the arcade who actually looks like he is on drugs? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ee8-wRHCCg4
1013997;1423524349;assbot;Crazy kid goes nuts at Chuck E Cheese - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1veJdXg )
1013998;1423524354;mircea_popescu;taub why cant you pgp /
1013999;1423524355;taub;now if you got an addictive personality, its a different thing
1014000;1423524407;taub;i just never botherd
1014001;1423524418;mircea_popescu;somehow you're reg'd.
1014002;1423524453;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: if lizardhitler picked the currently usg-'blessed' varieties of dope to zap folks prior to reproductive age, he needs to fire his chemist
1014003;1423524482;mircea_popescu;the idea isn't to zap anyone.
1014004;1423524738;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 75129 @ 0.00039129 = 29.3972 BTC [-] {2} 
1014005;1423524840;asciilifeform;related thread: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=25-08-2014#808005
1014006;1423524840;assbot;Logged on 25-08-2014 03:08:03; asciilifeform: busy as a bee << funny that they show an idiot sow scrubbing, and not, e.g, paul erdos crapping out theorems
1014007;1423524852;thestringpuller;LOL cazalla
1014008;1423524864;mircea_popescu;in fairness, more common.
1014009;1423524870;thestringpuller;d00d the pseudo argument of "Bitcoin is a democracy" is starting to irritate me
1014010;1423524976;thestringpuller;"Remember student council, and individuals running for student office. It was a popularity contest right? Well did those elected have any real power other than in name?"
1014011;1423525026;mircea_popescu;it's funny tho, reddit doesn't JUST think bitcoin is democracy. everything is democracy. according to redditard lore, i need their vote to get laid.
1014012;1423525031;mircea_popescu;ppl actually believe this.
1014013;1423525073;mircea_popescu;i definiely need their vote to be happy, and if being rich were allowed (it isn't) then DEFINITELY the only way to get rich is to sell fifty billion fucktards stuff for a quarter each.
1014014;1423525091;asciilifeform;!b 4
1014015;1423525092;assbot;Last 4 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/0WH0EV8.txt )
1014016;1423525097;thestringpuller;^- d00d why is this argument used so much in "Business school"
1014017;1423525128;thestringpuller;"OMG You shouldn't try to sell one thing for a billion bucks. YOu should sell a billion things for a dollar each! it's so much more valuable"
1014018;1423525163;mircea_popescu;"and then you must donate the profits!"
1014019;1423525196;thestringpuller;Given we know 1% own 99% of the wealth
1014020;1423525204;thestringpuller;why would you ever spend time trying to get money from poor people?
1014021;1423525214;thestringpuller;They don't matter in that context. Ever.
1014022;1423525261;taub;darkcoin making a little run
1014023;1423525272;taub;how i hate altcoins
1014024;1423525377;thestringpuller;!up bitcoinquestions
1014025;1423525431;bitcoinquestions;If the blockchain were to fork into 2 chains. 1 chain where the blocksize limit was the Gavin scam and 1 chain where it was kept at 1MB, can't everyone just profit by selling their coins on the scam chain and rebuying back the coins on the old chain?
1014026;1423525544;thestringpuller;yes. this is explained by MP
1014027;1423525564;thestringpuller;;;google site:qntra.net hard fork missile crisis
1014028;1423525565;gribble;The Hard Fork Missile Crisis | Qntra.net: <http://qntra.net/2015/01/the-hard-fork-missile-crisis/>; After Survery Vessenes' Foundation "Pivots" | Qntra.net: <http://qntra.net/2014/11/after-survery-vessenes-foundation-pivots/>; asciilifeform | Qntra.net: <http://qntra.net/author/asciilifeform/>
1014029;1423525582;thestringpuller;i reference the attack in my article bitcoinquestions
1014030;1423525601;bitcoinquestions;can't load any of those pages
1014031;1423525611;bitcoinquestions;but I'm guessing your article just dives deeper into the same thing I just said right?
1014032;1423525715;asciilifeform;bitcoinquestions: would it trouble you to take a moment to introduce yourself and state how and why you came to #b-a?
1014033;1423525725;cazalla;http://qntra.net/2015/02/new-all-time-high-in-bitcoin-mining-difficulty/ sco.. ah forget it
1014034;1423525726;assbot;New All Time High In Bitcoin Mining Difficulty | Qntra.net ... ( http://bit.ly/1veLRwr )
1014035;1423525748;asciilifeform;bitcoinquestions: so far we've heard nothing but questions; so now i ask a question of you.
1014036;1423525764;scoopbot;New post on Qntra.net by cazalla: http://qntra.net/2015/02/new-all-time-high-in-bitcoin-mining-difficulty/
1014037;1423525798;cazalla;oh, scoopbot is back
1014038;1423525810;bitcoinquestions;asciilifeform: sure, I'm an MIT dropout (or well taking time off at least) doing my own startup and collecting bitcoins along the way instead of paying tuition. I heard about b-a in an article in the nakamotoinstitute
1014039;1423525834;asciilifeform;bitcoinquestions: what were you studying prior to dropping out ?
1014040;1423525838;bitcoinquestions;CS / Econ
1014041;1423525843;bitcoinquestions;: )
1014042;1423525898;asciilifeform;what of the startup? what's it do
1014043;1423525911;bitcoinquestions;www.pushforpizza.com
1014044;1423525961;thestringpuller;amazon is going to sue you
1014045;1423525966;thestringpuller;if you get too big
1014046;1423525976;bitcoinquestions;lol whatever
1014047;1423525976;thestringpuller;dat one click shopping :P
1014048;1423525993;bitcoinquestions;i will be very happy if we get to the point where amazon cares about suing us
1014049;1423526070;Naphex;!up mandarin
1014050;1423526088;mircea_popescu;this is riotously funny. so how does b-a look to the mit cs/econ (?!) undegrad doing a pizzforpusha startup ?
1014051;1423526146;Naphex;i'd probably use it, when i'm really toned.
1014052;1423526148;Naphex;:o
1014053;1423526156;bitcoinquestions;yeah that's the point
1014054;1423526169;Naphex;too bad most delivery around where i live is crap ;o
1014055;1423526188;Naphex;bitcoinquestions: so where do you get the money from?
1014056;1423526217;mircea_popescu;Naphex timisoara deliveries are... ONE HOUR. i lulzed my ass off at them.
1014057;1423526227;mircea_popescu;buenos aires deliveries generally take 10 minutes tho.
1014058;1423526235;Naphex;mircea_popescu: same here. one hour and cold ;o
1014059;1423526238;mircea_popescu;like you know, sane places.
1014060;1423526432;mircea_popescu;http://sexylosers.com/201.html
1014061;1423526433;assbot;#201 - A Page Right Out of History ... ( http://bit.ly/1veNave )
1014062;1423526435;mircea_popescu;also not bad.
1014063;1423526478;mircea_popescu;you know, somebody should do this as a service. comic strip  summarizer. watch them all, pick the i dunno, 1% worth a chuchle.
1014064;1423527203;lobbes;Took me all weekend, but I am now in control of my own IRC bouncer. Now to configure it properly...
1014065;1423527214;BingoBoingo;<thestringpuller> no adderall is pretty much meth << Not even a proper amphetamine
1014066;1423527307;BingoBoingo;<thestringpuller> no adderall is pretty much meth << SOrry thought you said Ritalin. Adderal is a racemic mixture of Levo and Dex amphetamines. The levo reduces the "abuse potential"
1014067;1423527398;BingoBoingo;<asciilifeform> i'll let BingoBoingo explain how one has faster blood-brain penetration than other, lipid solubility, etc. << Methyl group makes it have a greater affinity for particular subsets of norepinephrine and dopamine receptors. For some reason the methyl group makes it more toxic to neurons in the long run
1014068;1423527517;[]bot;Bet placed: 1 BTC for No on "Light Sweet Crude Oil (WTI) to drop under $30 before April" http://bitbet.us/bet/1112/ Odds: 11(Y):89(N) by coin, 12(Y):88(N) by weight. Total bet: 9.84351 BTC. Current weight: 73,009.
1014069;1423527599;BingoBoingo;As to why ritalin is not an amphetamine, simply compare its picture to the ones asciilifeform posted https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Methylphenidate#mediaviewer/File:Methylphenidate-2D-skeletal.svg
1014070;1423527602;assbot;Methylphenidate - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ... ( http://bit.ly/1veP6nj )
1014071;1423528064;BingoBoingo;http://web.archive.org/web/20011021072312/http://www.dyncorp-is.com/darpa/meetings/win98aug/wars.html
1014072;1423528066;assbot;NT Religious Wars ... ( http://bit.ly/1veQ2Iq )
1014073;1423528093;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 55950 @ 0.00040087 = 22.4287 BTC [+] {3} 
1014074;1423528115;BingoBoingo;"For all intents and purposes, it is reasonable to assume that all of DARPA�s customers already use computers in their work. Furthermore, they have been using computers for years. They have developed their own procedures and policies that are not conveniently switched to a different operating environment at the drop of a hat. And they are all using Windows. They are all using Windows because it is the superior choice for Intel-h
1014075;1423528115;BingoBoingo;ardware operating systems for na�ve users. The reason, however, is irrelevant, because the fact remains that users are using Windows."
1014076;1423528920;BingoBoingo;"This dilemma is particularly strong for researchers in the areas of operating systems and networking, two areas in which Windows NT is considered to be especially weak. With DARPA project lifetimes typically in the two- or three-year range, PIs must swallow hard before agreeing to take two giant steps back in order to begin their research on a Windows NT technology base."
1014077;1423529641;mircea_popescu;if somebody still has a twitter account, be a kitten tweet my last @maigov to see some really embarassed romanian police.
1014078;1423529769;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: For some reason the methyl group makes it more toxic to neurons in the long run << afaik no one has conclusively shown that it's the methyl rather than the sleeping-once-a-week, rotgut booze, and vd
1014079;1423529787;asciilifeform;see earlier thread re: co-morbidity etc
1014080;1423529801;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: https://twitter.com/BBoingo/status/564951001728569344
1014081;1423529802;assbot;/maigov I stumbled across this http://t.co/MbM32fRoR5
1014082;1423529853;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: Well, much of the meth toxixity literature is from 1940's and 1950's when it was prefered USG go pill before being replaced by gentler amphetamines
1014083;1423529880;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: seems like all three would still apply if population is u.s. soldiers ?
1014084;1423529933;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo danke
1014085;1423529945;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: Perhaps, but it would be very un-USG of the era to not be running trials in parallel with minimal disclosure
1014086;1423530211;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: l000l!
1014087;1423530215;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: https://github.com/bitwiseshiftleft/sjcl/commit/ac0b3fe0 << it ?
1014088;1423530216;assbot;Make use of default operator ·  ac0b3fe · bitwiseshiftleft/sjcl · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1AQSZGr )
1014089;1423530232;scoopbot;New post on Trilema by Mircea Popescu: http://trilema.com/2015/catre-ministerul-afacerilor-interne-in-atentia-d-lor-gheorghe-nicolae-petre-toba-bondar-marin-si-d-nei-laura-codru%c8%9ba-kovesi-dvs-stiati-ca-angajatii-dvs-se-ocupa-cu-frauda-pe-internet/
1014090;1423530249;asciilifeform;yes, re: ^
1014091;1423530261;asciilifeform;or was the pw 'we are orcs'
1014092;1423530288;mircea_popescu;well guess ?
1014093;1423530300;mircea_popescu;to help you guess :
1014094;1423530300;asciilifeform;the latter
1014095;1423530314;mircea_popescu;http://trilema.com/2012/law-enforcement-never-fails-to-unintentionally-entertain/
1014096;1423530315;assbot;Law enforcement never fails to unintentionally entertain pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.  ... ( http://bit.ly/1AQTobT )
1014097;1423530317;mircea_popescu;right.
1014098;1423530330;asciilifeform;ahahaha.
1014099;1423530338;mircea_popescu;anyway, the general point here being : we investigate too.
1014100;1423530435;asciilifeform;poor idiots.
1014101;1423530445;asciilifeform;sparrow in microwave horn.
1014102;1423530457;mircea_popescu;orly.
1014103;1423530482;asciilifeform;from the story told thus far - what else.
1014104;1423530512;mircea_popescu;dude, don't tell me stories. policeman thinks 120% is koshert ?
1014105;1423530536;mircea_popescu;anyway, the so called "Departamentul de Informaţii şi Protecţie Internă" ie, informations & internal protection dept is the biggest loser here.
1014106;1423530540;mircea_popescu;as they DIDNT know.
1014107;1423530546;asciilifeform;or knew and had cut ?
1014108;1423530553;asciilifeform;as is orcish sop ?
1014109;1423530593;mircea_popescu;i know they didn't know.
1014110;1423530597;mircea_popescu;i don't infer they didn't.
1014111;1423530634;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu also knows that they give a damn ?
1014112;1423530651;mircea_popescu;i know they don't, but that is quite besides the point innit ? http://www.dgipi.ro/articole/articol.php?idarticol=1233  << this is their latest.
1014113;1423530652;assbot;DGIPI - Direcția Generală de Informații și Protecție Internă ... ( http://bit.ly/1AQUwfG )
1014114;1423530667;mircea_popescu;rural policeman reported the attempted bribe by some guy that cut 1.7 cubic meters of wood illegally.
1014115;1423530708;mircea_popescu;suma de 1000 lei = ~1 btc's worth.
1014116;1423530723;mircea_popescu;ie, less effecvtual than the tardstalk forum police.
1014117;1423530740;asciilifeform;so they'll say, in the event they say anything, that it was all a fiction ?
1014118;1423530742;asciilifeform;as ru police would
1014119;1423530769;asciilifeform;what am i missing here
1014120;1423530782;mircea_popescu;not so simple. the chick at the end, kovesi ? she's fanatical.
1014121;1423530808;mircea_popescu;and the LAST thing she's looking for tuesday mornings is seeing her name on my blog in that context.
1014122;1423530853;asciilifeform;sic transit gloria spam-mundi then
1014123;1423530879;mircea_popescu;only impossible outcome here is, for idiot policemen to stop being defrauded like redditards.
1014124;1423531359;mircea_popescu;anyway that default stuff's pretty good :D
1014125;1423531783;BingoBoingo;How phundation handles the different Openssl libraries nao https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/commit/f19dded6e4bf6b5a345de899863310281846eb61
1014126;1423531785;assbot;Improve robustness of DER recoding code ·  f19dded · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1AQYAMP )
1014127;1423531832;mircea_popescu;http://sexylosers.com/219.html not bad
1014128;1423531833;assbot;#219 - Author Feedback ... ( http://bit.ly/1AQYHYQ )
1014129;1423532027;BingoBoingo;!up BlueMeanie4
1014130;1423532033;BlueMeanie4;greetings
1014131;1423532147;mircea_popescu;http://sexylosers.com/224.html also not bad
1014132;1423532148;assbot;#224 - In the Merde For Love ... ( http://bit.ly/1AQZNUo )
1014133;1423532321;BlueMeanie4;ive been making Bitcoin comics https://twitter.com/BlueMeanie4/status/563787262559678464
1014134;1423532322;assbot;today's /hashtag/Bitcoin?src=hash comic http://t.co/xHnvs5op4G
1014135;1423532483;mircea_popescu;any good ?
1014136;1423532485;BingoBoingo;Another drug related mega lol http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/politics/2015/02/suboxone_could_help_heroin_addicts.html << Suboxone is not merely buprenorphine, also impregnated with naloxone in indigestible shell to prevent crushing
1014137;1423532487;assbot;Suboxone could help heroin addicts:  ... ( http://bit.ly/1DVxr9n )
1014138;1423532493;mircea_popescu;http://sexylosers.com/228.html << this might be the most obscene thing i've seen this year.
1014139;1423532494;assbot;#228 - Fast Freud ... ( http://bit.ly/1DVxuBX )
1014140;1423532553;ben_vulpes;y'all heard of kennas new scam?
1014141;1423532565;BingoBoingo;No?
1014142;1423532608;mircea_popescu;!up bitcoinquestions
1014143;1423532621;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes which one is this ?
1014144;1423532645;ben_vulpes;http://www.thecaravanserai.co/
1014145;1423532647;assbot;The Caravanserai. Roam free. ... ( http://bit.ly/1DVxYYQ )
1014146;1423532660;mircea_popescu;lol
1014147;1423532668;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28178 @ 0.00039326 = 11.0813 BTC [-] {2} 
1014148;1423532680;mircea_popescu;!up nanotube
1014149;1423532701;BlueMeanie4;what are the prices for that
1014150;1423532704;*;danielpbarron slaps BlueMeanie4 around a bit with a large putin
1014151;1423532774;BlueMeanie4;do you hate america Daniel?
1014152;1423532799;danielpbarron;what is america?
1014153;1423532815;nanotube;<nanotube> hey, sorry for delay in reply, been busy, still busy. just to give you a quick preview, i'm thinking/working on implementing everything-signed, using a framework sort of like this: http://bitcoin-otc.com/newsite/rate.php
1014154;1423532816;assbot;#bitcoin-otc rating entry form ... ( http://bit.ly/1AR21mK )
1014155;1423532816;nanotube;<nanotube> once that system is operational, integrating multiple federated databases will be trivial and will involve no trust.
1014156;1423532821;nanotube;fyi, y'all^
1014157;1423532838;mircea_popescu;that's cool.
1014158;1423532854;mircea_popescu;federated wots best way to un-centralize this problem, i believe.
1014159;1423532900;BlueMeanie4;hyporcubez
1014160;1423533003;nanotube;yea not quite the full fancypants xml-wot from the ideal world, but this will go most of the way and be much more likely to actually happen.
1014161;1423533014;BingoBoingo;Reddit http://sexylosers.com/003.html
1014162;1423533014;assbot;#003 - Video Girl Etchi I ... ( http://bit.ly/1AR2DsD )
1014163;1423533365;TheNewDeal;Liked that bb, thanks
1014164;1423533695;BlueMeanie4;a federated Wot?
1014165;1423533969;BingoBoingo;!up BlueMeanie4
1014166;1423534294;thestringpuller;amazon is going to sue you~
1014167;1423534295;thestringpuller;.~
1014168;1423534299;thestringpuller;.
1014169;1423534405;BlueMeanie4;so who thinks bitcoin is going to crash further?
1014170;1423534434;danielpbarron;it crashed?
1014171;1423534452;danielpbarron;;;ticker
1014172;1423534454;gribble;Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 221.08, Best ask: 221.27, Bid-ask spread: 0.19000, Last trade: 221.29, 24 hour volume: 18423.98029392, 24 hour low: 215.0, 24 hour high: 225.0, 24 hour vwap: 219.323476828
1014173;1423534456;BlueMeanie4;lost more than 30% of its value
1014174;1423534560;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 85700 @ 0.00040567 = 34.7659 BTC [+]
1014175;1423534622;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 87450 @ 0.0004068 = 35.5747 BTC [+] {2} 
1014176;1423534742;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 48200 @ 0.00039038 = 18.8163 BTC [-]
1014177;1423535090;TheNewDeal;I think gox falsely propped it up to the previous ath, not to say anything about a possibility of return to said prices
1014178;1423535173;BingoBoingo;TheNewDeal: Well I think there was some Gox/China synergy.
1014179;1423535469;BlueMeanie4;its starting to become clear that the whole thing was a ponzi to begin with
1014180;1423535485;cazalla;BlueMeanie4, gox or bitcoin?
1014181;1423535488;BlueMeanie4;then somewhere between '13 and '14 they want batshit insane about all these other ideas
1014182;1423535500;mircea_popescu;!up IHB
1014183;1423535501;BlueMeanie4;bitcoin
1014184;1423535508;IHB;can i get some feedback on something i am writing guys?
1014185;1423535511;mircea_popescu;ok
1014186;1423535516;mircea_popescu;!down BlueMeanie4
1014187;1423535522;mircea_popescu;who keeps upping the tards.
1014188;1423535532;*;BingoBoingo up'd that one
1014189;1423535538;danielpbarron;!b 10
1014190;1423535539;assbot;Last 10 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/12T9CHJ.txt )
1014191;1423535542;cazalla;IHB, i can give you some feedback on your site design instead if you like? 2.0 type shit sucks
1014192;1423535555;IHB;yeah
1014193;1423535558;BingoBoingo;IHB, I'll give it a read through
1014194;1423535562;IHB;i am changing it
1014195;1423535602;BingoBoingo;cazalla: You ever try reading coinfire on Mobile? We're kicking their ass on pnoHe friendly layout nao
1014196;1423535605;cazalla;IHB, i mean, i gotta use 3 finger scrolls to get to the meat of it.. i don't even give the missus that much
1014197;1423535612;IHB;i haven't had time and lot of changes are being pushed through. was working on an api that will be launched with it. hopefully it will be useful
1014198;1423535614;IHB;lol
1014199;1423535640;IHB;ok, this is still a WIP, but i want to make sure i understand
1014200;1423535641;IHB;@petertoddbtc @trilema @oocBlog  @BryceWeiner @JustusRanvier  @fredwilson @balajis   In regards to scalability and the perceived threat facing the bitcoin ecosystem   I am still not convinced we have a problem here. Gavin has been talking about this for a little while now and it shouldn’t surprise anyone of us that he is publicly trying to get a proposal ready so the full nodes can vote on it.  1. If 80% of the full nodes v
1014201;1423535645;cazalla;BingoBoingo, could be worse
1014202;1423535653;BingoBoingo;http://sexylosers.com/069.html
1014203;1423535654;assbot;#069 - The Shit-Eating Triology II ... ( http://bit.ly/1CNFPKQ )
1014204;1423535706;mircea_popescu;ihb see also
1014205;1423535707;mircea_popescu;!s pogo
1014206;1423535708;assbot;111 results for 'pogo' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=pogo
1014207;1423535726;BingoBoingo;IHB: That tweet is from ??? about ? hard to squeeze meaningful context into that space
1014208;1423535729;cazalla;mircea_popescu, i read you have like 100k of those pogos eh
1014209;1423535732;mircea_popescu;but in any case, "votes" by bs nodes with < 90% uptime is pointless.
1014210;1423535733;IHB;i know i know
1014211;1423535744;mircea_popescu;might as well redditvote.
1014212;1423535751;IHB;i am posting a draft write now
1014213;1423535752;mircea_popescu;and in any case : VOTES DO NOT MATTER.
1014214;1423535756;mircea_popescu;bitcoin is not a democracy.,
1014215;1423535765;mircea_popescu;bitcoin is a consensus system.
1014216;1423535797;BingoBoingo;IHB: Just remember if you post a big draft for review before going up on your site, Google index's pastebins aggressively, Dpaste not so much.
1014217;1423535803;mircea_popescu;the concept of voting re bitcoin is not unlike the concept of voting re sex.
1014218;1423535816;mircea_popescu;sure, 9 out of 10 people enjoy themselves at any gangbang.
1014219;1423535827;mircea_popescu;this doesn't mean me and eight other dudes get to vote on how to use gavin's wife.
1014220;1423535856;IHB;https://ihb.io/2015-02-09/news/a87a98cb5843a28d1c494178aa8865eaf7ec1200f6966be7e4066135c9247-16259
1014221;1423535857;assbot;draft  • IHB News™ ... ( http://bit.ly/1E0fINK )
1014222;1423535962;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21350 @ 0.00040688 = 8.6869 BTC [+]
1014223;1423535970;BingoBoingo;http://trilema.com/ has threatened to bring the house down and if he is successful, then so be it. << IHB you prolly want to link MPEx.co as the actor and particular trilema pieces justifying the MPEx position
1014224;1423535971;assbot;Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.  ... ( http://bit.ly/1E0g1bf )
1014225;1423535977;mircea_popescu;ihb it's beyon me why you think this is publishable.
1014226;1423535992;IHB;its not
1014227;1423535995;mircea_popescu;as a general rule : strike out all paragraphs that contain the pronoun "I" see what's left.
1014228;1423536003;mircea_popescu;aha.
1014229;1423536020;cazalla;IHB, this is your scratch pad eh?
1014230;1423536028;IHB;not everyone is as talented as you when it comes to words [feces]
1014231;1423536040;mircea_popescu;also, the paywall on trilema is a) older than bitcoin and b) older than the new york time's.
1014232;1423536040;BingoBoingo;he recently put a btc paywall on his personal blog. << IHB been around multiple years. Since early 2013 when I finally started talking to people.
1014233;1423536049;mircea_popescu;it's in fact the first paywall on any content site on the internet.
1014234;1423536052;IHB;i never ran into it until today
1014235;1423536054;IHB;fo real
1014236;1423536060;mircea_popescu;even so.
1014237;1423536135;IHB;will amend
1014238;1423536146;BingoBoingo;I believe the 1mb limit was only put in out of fear to protect us from a potential attack. << Was explicitly put in place to make attacks by bloating the blockchain uneconomical
1014239;1423536171;mircea_popescu;http://trilema.com/2011/the-new-york-times-urmeaza-exemplul-trilema/ << this is from back when nyt introduced their beta paywall.
1014240;1423536172;assbot;The New York Times urmeaza exemplul Trilema pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.  ... ( http://bit.ly/1CNHvnR )
1014241;1423536174;mircea_popescu;!up wpalczynski
1014242;1423536255;IHB;<+mircea_popescu> i never got the address to send the .01 BTC
1014243;1423536271;mircea_popescu;did you use a proper email ?
1014244;1423536324;IHB;i used ihb@ihb.io
1014245;1423536374;IHB;so if we don't have the cap it is possible for a miner to load blocks up with spam? and this in turn will weaken the network?
1014246;1423536378;mircea_popescu;first time i got a report like this, so mebbe wait and see ? mebbe your mail server's slow ?
1014247;1423536390;IHB;won't it cost a lot of money to do that?
1014248;1423536395;mircea_popescu;why would it be a miner ? it is possible for anyone.
1014249;1423536424;mircea_popescu;today it's not a particularly valuable dos attack on bitcoin because whatever, 1mb blocks.
1014250;1423536446;mircea_popescu;if they end up being larger, it becomes more of an attack. if they're large enough, sure, you can deny usage of the network this way.
1014251;1423536462;IHB;fuck.
1014252;1423536496;IHB;well, i am glad i had a reason to be confused
1014253;1423536514;BingoBoingo;IHB: And the thing is it is a one time cost to the attacker to attack by committing bloat
1014254;1423536522;mircea_popescu;very cheap way to attack the gavincoin, too. 20-1 = 19, so then each day costs an extra
1014255;1423536534;mircea_popescu;;;calc 24 * 600 * 19 / 1024
1014256;1423536534;gribble;267.1875
1014257;1423536547;mircea_popescu;um neh
1014258;1423536555;mircea_popescu;;;calc 24 * 6 * 19 / 1024
1014259;1423536555;gribble;2.671875
1014260;1423536569;mircea_popescu;2.67 gb a day extra. whatever that costs, every node is stuck with it.
1014261;1423536620;mircea_popescu;and there's obviously no defense. valid txn will be relayed.
1014262;1423536631;IHB;i can't weigh in with my opinion. i will leave up to you guys. my stomach tells me the blocksize should not be raised and if people want to do other stuff they can peg their btc to a sidechain, if that ever becomes reality.
1014263;1423536698;IHB;i would be happy just holding my bitcoin. but only if there was a way to get all this other stuff done, you know the stuff we call bloat
1014264;1423536704;IHB;like washing machines talking to cars
1014265;1423536718;IHB;and government schemes in india being run on some sort of chain
1014266;1423536738;mircea_popescu;uh.
1014267;1423536747;BingoBoingo;<IHB> i can't weigh in with my opinion. i will leave up to you guys. my stomach tells me the blocksize should not be raised and if people want to do other stuff they can peg their btc to a sidechain, if that ever becomes reality. << Not an unreasonable thing. Settlement happens on the blockchain small amounts dick around on distraction chain.
1014268;1423536777;IHB;humans have already fucked with this planet we are in our own epoch Anthropence
1014269;1423536855;cazalla;IHB, why do you want your car to talk to your washing machine instead of your wife?
1014270;1423536888;mircea_popescu;the car should talk to the wife ?
1014271;1423536900;*;mircea_popescu buys ballgag factory shares. cleary there's a future for these.
1014272;1423536944;cazalla;mircea_popescu, no no, wife talk to washing machine
1014273;1423536968;jurov;maybe he meant carwash?
1014274;1423536978;mircea_popescu;like a wife with multiple personality cazalla ?
1014275;1423536985;cazalla;please just let me take solace in the one fucking thing my missus can do right
1014276;1423537002;mircea_popescu;what's that, she pushes your buttons for you ?
1014277;1423537021;mircea_popescu;jurov for lulz, masina = machine is how you say car in romanian.
1014278;1423537069;mircea_popescu;http://sexylosers.com/239.html << bwahaha z80 strip poker ?
1014279;1423537071;assbot;#239 - Return Without Gosub Error
1014280;1423537071;BingoBoingo;jurov: Commenting out that section of main.cpp you highlighted and making a junk public alert key turned into a build of 0.8.6 that's been running fine for about 20 hours nao
1014281;1423537085;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu, BingoBoingo, cazalla, other writery folks: anybody up for writing a basic likbez for the 'unified theory' of amplification attack as it applies not only to boring ddos but to gavincoin and in general to any system where some bozo can inflict cost C on you by spending c where c < C
1014282;1423537131;mircea_popescu;hm.
1014283;1423537137;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: what z80. mos 6502.
1014284;1423537161;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform i haven't / don't intend to because a) anyone who can grasp the abstraction already knows it ; b) anyone likely to benefit from the description probably can't read.
1014285;1423537188;asciilifeform;then nm
1014286;1423537198;asciilifeform;6502 >> reissued! >> http://www.tomshardware.com/news/mouser-6502-motorola-6800-cpu-processor,14557.html
1014287;1423537202;assbot;Mouser Sells Classic 6502 "Antique" Processor
1014288;1423537206;mircea_popescu;it's kinda what attrition wars are all about.
1014289;1423537258;BingoBoingo;<assbot> Mouser Sells Classic 6502 "Antique" Processor << If they cranked it to 1.5 GHz+ would be more excited
1014290;1423537280;asciilifeform;why BingoBoingo wants a GHz 8bit cpu?
1014291;1423537293;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: Speed.
1014292;1423537311;BingoBoingo;For some tasks bus size isn't such a big deal.
1014293;1423537318;jurov;lol at 15nm process the die would prolly come out few micrometers across
1014294;1423537333;BingoBoingo;<jurov> lol at 15nm process the die would prolly come out few micrometers across << Also this.
1014295;1423537364;BingoBoingo;Just imagine a palm sized box with rs-232 and the entire 1980's inside
1014296;1423537375;mircea_popescu;size doesn't matter guise.
1014297;1423537404;kakobrekla;only matters if you got a big one
1014298;1423537416;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: It does when your need to breach the border with your contraband in your breech
1014299;1423537431;jurov;WILL IT HASH?
1014300;1423537441;mircea_popescu;hash it will!
1014301;1423537495;asciilifeform;;;bc,stats
1014302;1423537500;gribble;Current Blocks: 342797 | Current Difficulty: 4.44554159623438E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 344735 | Next Difficulty In: 1938 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 5 days, 10 hours, 9 minutes, and 13 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 51193758211.3 | Estimated Percent Change: 15.15753
1014303;1423537502;mircea_popescu;http://sexylosers.com/243.html also not bad.
1014304;1423537504;assbot;#243 - America's Testes Kitchen 1
1014305;1423537507;asciilifeform;336094.
1014306;1423537512;mircea_popescu;marinate all teh birds.
1014307;1423537527;kakobrekla;+15, from where
1014308;1423537578;jurov;from romania, haven't you heard about Mcoin machines?
1014309;1423537602;kakobrekla;ah you mean mpcoin
1014310;1423537609;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29032 @ 0.00039168 = 11.3713 BTC [-]
1014311;1423537618;mircea_popescu;lol puh leaze.
1014312;1423537699;ben_vulpes;<mircea_popescu> also, the paywall on trilema is a) older than bitcoin and b) older than the new york time's. << how did you take payment before btc?
1014313;1423537726;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes paypal, like everyone else.
1014314;1423537733;ben_vulpes;goodness.
1014315;1423537735;jurov;kakobrekla i meant this: http://trilema.com/2015/catre-ministerul-afacerilor-interne-in-atentia-d-lor-gheorghe-nicolae-petre-toba-bondar-marin-si-d-nei-laura-codruța-kovesi-dvs-stiati-ca-angajatii-dvs-se-ocupa-cu-frauda-pe-internet/
1014316;1423537738;assbot;Catre Ministerul Afacerilor Interne. In atentia d-lor Gheorghe Nicolae, Petre Toba, Bondar Marin si d-nei Laura Codruța Kövesi : Dvs stiati ca angajatii dvs se ocupa cu frauda pe Internet ? pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. 
1014317;1423537764;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes i had a whole digg thing for the .ro market, ran on "credits", backed by paypal.
1014318;1423537771;mircea_popescu;people could buy/sell them.
1014319;1423537796;mircea_popescu;published monthly tops of ro blogs etc.
1014320;1423537843;mircea_popescu;!up bitcoinquestions
1014321;1423537848;bitcoinquestions;thanks man
1014322;1423537849;mircea_popescu;dude, get reg'd already.
1014323;1423537867;bitcoinquestions;reg'd? sorry I don't use IRC often
1014324;1423537908;mircea_popescu;lately you do. and http://wiki.bitcoin-assets.com/first_steps_in_bitcoin-assets
1014325;1423537910;assbot;first_steps_in_bitcoin-assets [bitcoin assets wiki]
1014326;1423537919;mircea_popescu;kakobrekla : http://theairridegroup.wikia.com/wiki/Shooting_Assbot
1014327;1423537922;assbot;Shooting Assbot - The air ride group Wiki
1014328;1423537960;mircea_popescu;btw, someone edit that wiki page to reflect the assbot wotness ? who got perms ?
1014329;1423538012;bitcoinquestions;mircea_popescu: alright I'm on it, also you asked me what I thought of b-a before I got disconnected - it's a breath of fresh air from the mass stupidity
1014330;1423538025;ben_vulpes;by the way, isn't it amusing how the_scourge got instanuked, but the outright derps keep getting upped?
1014331;1423538046;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: Who was that pauper on your blogroll with the great eMacs text. Debate tournament judging text finally cleared and I'm ready to splurge on paytext.
1014332;1423538055;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes not THAT insta.
1014333;1423538056;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: wasn't instant by any means, i ended up with a mile-long ninjasp4mz0r-style log from him
1014334;1423538074;mircea_popescu;generally derpage doesn't get nuked until it becomes militantly stupid. bluemeanie got nuked earlier.
1014335;1423538077;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: gonna need more hint
1014336;1423538108;ben_vulpes;looked pretty fast from over here.
1014337;1423538131;ben_vulpes;granted my neural filter kicked in pretty quickly, so my integral probably didn't wind up like yours.
1014338;1423538134;ben_vulpes;yours'
1014339;1423538140;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: Last mention of him here you suggested might be acutely starving? Had a big guide to emacs.
1014340;1423538147;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: xah lee
1014341;1423538150;ben_vulpes;BigBitz: xah lee
1014342;1423538153;ben_vulpes;BingoBoingo:**
1014343;1423538161;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: Thanks
1014344;1423538167;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: the way it looked, mr moarspam was sent here specifically for me. (why? ask him)
1014345;1423538181;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: blocksize-themed rather than cardano this time
1014346;1423538189;ben_vulpes;what, you're the most easily suckered into epic privlogs
1014347;1423538193;asciilifeform;quite possibly
1014348;1423538200;*;asciilifeform plays with his food
1014349;1423538217;ben_vulpes;i toy with my prey, but that's not the same thing.
1014350;1423538250;asciilifeform;at any rate, the bozo went and chugged through most of my www in an effort to appear interested (it comically failed)
1014351;1423538269;asciilifeform;for me, that was enough
1014352;1423538299;TheNewDeal;So this is really Samuel Clemens' material? http://trilema.com/2015/let-us-translate-from-english-to-english/
1014353;1423538301;assbot;Let us translate. From English to English. pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. 
1014354;1423538301;mircea_popescu;i suppose this is actually a never-before encountered problem : text that has meaning! IN LAYERS!
1014355;1423538314;mircea_popescu;text that can actually not be textually reprocessed into usable text.
1014356;1423538320;mircea_popescu;TheNewDeal yes.
1014357;1423538349;mircea_popescu;if you look at the link thrown around in here a coupla days ago when it was being discussed, has a bunch of bibliographical wankery i snipped.
1014358;1423538371;TheNewDeal;That was some of the finest erotica Ive ever perused
1014359;1423538382;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform in a meta sense, the way we write had been a wot all along.
1014360;1423538391;mircea_popescu;poses exactly the same problems to the poser as the wot poses to the scammer.
1014361;1423538399;mircea_popescu;not mechanically approachable.
1014362;1423538409;mircea_popescu;TheNewDeal the man was talentited.
1014363;1423538448;ben_vulpes;ah come on the bibliographical stuff was great
1014364;1423538461;ben_vulpes;mircea_popescu: are you chewing through "the complete works"?
1014365;1423538473;mircea_popescu;mnope
1014366;1423538488;ben_vulpes;o wait you're doing orwell.
1014367;1423538498;mircea_popescu;atm im doing some old comic
1014368;1423538499;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: orwell mentioned '1601' as 'unobtainable'
1014369;1423538510;ben_vulpes;asciilifeform: i do recall this
1014370;1423538670;decimation;asciilifeform: how do you distinguish between 'usg agent' and 'derp who reads your website'?
1014371;1423538690;mircea_popescu;he doesn't.
1014372;1423538702;decimation;I guess in the end it doesn't much matter
1014373;1423538707;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 4000 @ 0.00085353 = 3.4141 BTC [+] {8} 
1014374;1423538708;mircea_popescu;this is like asking wyatt earp "how do you distinguish between the f brothers and stray dog"
1014375;1423538713;BingoBoingo;decimation: I imagine his heuruistic is how they read his website
1014376;1423538733;decimation;mircea_popescu: both fall into the category 'shoot'?
1014377;1423538775;asciilifeform;decimation: very naked pattern of 'derp suddenly comes, with much apparent enthusiasm and piss-poor reading comprehension, interspersing hour of faux conv. with 'so why do you have any truck with bitcoin, it'll be obsolete and replaced with Modern Alternatives soon enough, and so many more interesting things around like Dark Enlightenment...'
1014378;1423538782;asciilifeform;'
1014379;1423538790;decimation;ah google is going to drop SPDY and fully support HTTPbis http://blog.chromium.org/2015/02/hello-http2-goodbye-spdy-http-is_9.html
1014380;1423538793;assbot;Chromium Blog: Hello HTTP/2, Goodbye SPDY
1014381;1423538832;decimation;asciilifeform: yeah he definitely exhibited that pattern.  but my priors tend to 'random derp (maybe mr spam)' rather than 'usg agent'
1014382;1423538911;asciilifeform;generic derps, in my experience, don't reliably snap back to one subject always
1014383;1423538923;ben_vulpes;focus is expensive.
1014384;1423538936;asciilifeform;and that subject is not usually block size
1014385;1423538944;BingoBoingo;!b 3
1014386;1423538961;assbot;Last 3 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/1MV6G16.txt )
1014387;1423538961;asciilifeform;four days (?) after the philippines thing
1014388;1423539016;asciilifeform;also claimed to be working on a 'military' path to sovereign moldbuggistan, which screams 'provocateur'
1014389;1423539018;decimation;heh it would be amusing to get 'premium content' trolls here
1014390;1423539109;BingoBoingo;<asciilifeform> also claimed to be working on a 'military' path to sovereign moldbuggistan, which screams 'provocateur' << I don't get very many of these. You FBI file must be thicker than mine.
1014391;1423539125;BingoBoingo;Or else more urgent
1014392;1423539126;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: that was my first such
1014393;1423539160;*;asciilifeform suspects that ben_vulpes is correct and that had someone else engaged mr moarspam earlier, he would have latched on to someone else
1014394;1423539365;decimation;http://www.ronpaulinstitute.org/archives/featured-articles/2015/february/09/kiev-s-bloody-war-is-backfiring/
1014395;1423539368;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1CbIU1W )
1014396;1423539377;decimation;"Draft resistance is at an all-time high: a mere 6 percent of those called up have reported voluntarily. This has forced the Kiev authorities to go knocking on doors – where they are met either with a mass of angry villagers, who refuse to let them take anyone, or else ghost towns where virtually everyone has fled. In the Transcarpathia region of western Ukraine, entire villages have been emptied, the inhabitants fleeing to Russia
1014397;1423539379;decimation;to wait out the war – or the fall of the Kiev regime, whichever comes first. "
1014398;1423539401;decimation;lol, apparently the ukranians are fleeing the russian invaders by fleeing to ... russia
1014399;1423539424;decimation;" In a Facebook post that was quickly deleted, Defense Minister Stepan Poltorak wrote: “According to unofficial sources, hostels and motels in border regions of neighboring Romania are completely filled with draft dodgers.” P"
1014400;1423539483;decimation;wonder how many lei it takes to get the local romaninan police to 'overlook' your immigration
1014401;1423539494;asciilifeform;per orlov's analysis, kiev is summoning draftees not to fight and win, but to 1) create 'humanitarian' wank in the hope of usg assistance (georgia gambit) 2) forcibly burn bridges for the conscripted men (the idea being, they've fired on the east and 'must' fight to the death)
1014402;1423539539;decimation;the local villagers, not being entirely stupid, want neither to die as nato puppet nor at the hands of ru army
1014403;1423539627;asciilifeform;at any rate, usg is winning there - in its traditional objective of creating an open, gangrenous wound (rather than 'winning' in the usual sense of the word)
1014404;1423539667;BingoBoingo;Transndstria
1014405;1423539673;decimation;moldbug would say that this wound provides infinite employment for nulands
1014406;1423539690;asciilifeform;not only.
1014407;1423539704;asciilifeform;to the whole spectrum, 'red', 'blue', whatevers.
1014408;1423539848;ben_vulpes;<decimation> heh it would be amusing to get 'premium content' trolls here << didja ever meet tiberius?
1014409;1423539864;decimation;no I don't think so
1014410;1423539906;ben_vulpes;he was top notch.
1014411;1423539938;decimation;who would bother trolling us?  the chances of some derp changing anyone's opinion on matters here seems pretty low
1014412;1423540010;ben_vulpes;tib was never much for changing opinions
1014413;1423540018;ben_vulpes;irc judo, more like it
1014414;1423540032;ben_vulpes;roll you in on point a, before you know it you're knees deep in c d e and q
1014415;1423540111;ben_vulpes;sadly, got banned. even mircea_popescu couldn't out-chat him.
1014416;1423540207;BingoBoingo;;;bc,stats
1014417;1423540208;ben_vulpes;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=05-05-2013#16817 << decent entrypoint
1014418;1423540208;assbot;Logged on 05-05-2013 16:23:25; cads: tiberius, and if that's true, then I salute you
1014419;1423540211;gribble;Current Blocks: 342801 | Current Difficulty: 4.44554159623438E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 344735 | Next Difficulty In: 1934 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 5 days, 9 hours, 32 minutes, and 18 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 51100598845.3 | Estimated Percent Change: 14.94797
1014420;1423540261;BingoBoingo;lol machine translation http://8btc.com/thread-13213-1-1.html
1014421;1423540465;BingoBoingo;https://github.com/reyk/httpd/issues << This happened quickly
1014422;1423540467;assbot;Issues · reyk/httpd · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1CbLDIO )
1014423;1423540563;ben_vulpes;http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=tiberiusiv&start=627
1014424;1423540569;assbot;631 results for 'tiberiusiv' - #bitcoin-assets search
1014425;1423540574;ben_vulpes;for the historians.
1014426;1423540589;ben_vulpes;asciilifeform might find some interesting strange in those depths.
1014427;1423540678;BingoBoingo;Another Mr Spam in the wild http://marc.info/?l=openbsd-tech&m=142336024418555&w=2
1014428;1423540681;assbot;'Re: OK... how dare you both even to not publish patches...' - MARC
1014429;1423540751;BingoBoingo;Seriously check srother@mercenary-security.com 's email sig out there: "Please note: The information contained in this message may be legally privileged and confidential and protected from disclosure..." Sig on a public mailing list
1014430;1423540826;ben_vulpes;BingoBoingo: well now you've incremented his linkweight. good job.
1014431;1423540853;BingoBoingo;ben_vulpes: Actually I've done the opposite
1014432;1423540855;ben_vulpes;at least robert viragh and the_minor_pestilence had the good sense to not leave a crumbtrail
1014433;1423540941;BingoBoingo;ben_vulpes: There's actually more, uglier crumbtrail.
1014434;1423540955;ben_vulpes;from which spamzor?
1014435;1423541015;ben_vulpes;!up bitcoinquestions
1014436;1423541016;ben_vulpes;mas?
1014437;1423541046;BingoBoingo;See comments here ben_vulpes http://undeadly.org/cgi?action=article&sid=20141205090350&mode=expanded
1014438;1423541049;assbot;Two New Kernel Errata
1014439;1423541072;Guest85903;hmm
1014440;1423541080;Guest85903;I ahve to message instantly?
1014441;1423541086;BingoBoingo;hello Guest85903
1014442;1423541093;Guest85903;-_-
1014443;1423541119;BingoBoingo;!up Guest85903
1014444;1423541131;BingoBoingo;Guest85903: Who are you again?
1014445;1423541134;ben_vulpes;Guest85903: you gotta auth within ~30secs
1014446;1423541146;Guest85903;bitcoinquestions
1014447;1423541159;Guest85903;i'm working on setting up all the shit in the wiki
1014448;1423541204;BingoBoingo;Guest85903: If you set up Xchat (or any other client) with SASL it will auth you with nickserve automatically in time
1014449;1423541221;ben_vulpes;Guest85903: you may want a better handle than bitcoinquestions
1014450;1423541228;BingoBoingo;Except for midsession disconnections
1014451;1423541240;Guest85903;lmao
1014452;1423541250;Guest85903;bitcoinanswers maybe
1014453;1423541312;BingoBoingo;Guest85903: You know... if you have Bitcoin in you personal name people take you less seriously. That's why bitcoin_pete seriously considered moving his identity to MooseCocks
1014454;1423541374;Guest85903;Whereas if your name is BingoBoingo you get taken very seriously?
1014455;1423541374;BingoBoingo;Anyways 6 of the right months of history is prolly the minimum to be caught up on the -Stable branch of the channel conversation. Having answers... Maybe 12-24 months?
1014456;1423541403;BingoBoingo;Guest85903: History. Originally it was BingoBongo, but kakobrekla convinced me this was better.
1014457;1423541419;BingoBoingo;Because time passes this is now my real name.
1014458;1423541439;BingoBoingo;And sometimes I am a bit startled when people use my slave name.
1014459;1423541465;lobbes;BingoBoingo: not reference to that song 'civilisation' is it?
1014460;1423541518;BingoBoingo;lobbes: No idea what that is.
1014461;1423541557;Guest85903;alright fuck it
1014462;1423541558;BingoBoingo;Guest85903: The important part of a "Name" though is that it is now a textual match for another concept.
1014463;1423541581;Guest85903;What do you mean?
1014464;1423541612;BingoBoingo;My gibberish name, fine name. mircea_popescu being the Romanian equivalent of John Smith fine. "Cocksmoker404" is limiting.
1014465;1423541634;BingoBoingo;Because Cocksmoker404 conveys a meaning in its text.
1014466;1423541669;BingoBoingo;Other text attached to that name is going to on a quick read get a context attached to it.
1014467;1423541682;danielpbarron;Guest85903, just use the name that your mother and father gave you; honor them.
1014468;1423541844;Guest85903;hmm
1014469;1423541853;Guest85903;difficult choice
1014470;1423541879;lobbes;perfect: Difficult_Choice
1014471;1423541893;BingoBoingo;!b 3
1014472;1423541907;assbot;Last 3 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/1855MEB.txt )
1014473;1423541907;Guest85903;lmao
1014474;1423542086;Guest85903;alright brb
1014475;1423542127;Guest85903;bitcoinquestions --> whaack please up! me when I get back
1014476;1423542330;mircea_popescu;omfg i step out for pie, i come back, all the lines out of whack!
1014477;1423542367;*;asciilifeform repaired an early 1980s soviet alarm clock today.
1014478;1423542393;*;BingoBoingo got a new SSD in the mail today. Damn that fucker is thin.
1014479;1423542547;mircea_popescu;decimation: ah google is going to drop SPDY and fully support HTTPbis  << if any of teh strategic minds in attendance care to explain this to me i'd apprecfiate it
1014480;1423542550;mircea_popescu;wtf are they thinking ?
1014481;1423542553;mircea_popescu;!up whaack
1014482;1423542585;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes: focus is expensive. << he is on to something.
1014483;1423542626;mircea_popescu;!up whaack
1014484;1423542661;BingoBoingo;<mircea_popescu> decimation: ah google is going to drop SPDY and fully support HTTPbis  << if any of teh strategic minds in attendance care to explain this to me i'd apprecfiate it << SPDY was Google so Open it is closed HTTP replacement no one else needed
1014485;1423542679;BingoBoingo;No idea if HTTP2 is worse or not, but prolly at least as bad
1014486;1423542680;whaack;;;eregister A31A30AA659AB67C
1014487;1423542680;gribble;(eregister <nick> <keyid>) -- Register your GPG identity, associating GPG key <keyid> with <nick>. <keyid> is a 16 digit key id, with or without the '0x' prefix. We look on servers listed in 'plugins.GPG.keyservers' config. You will be given a link to a page which contains a one time password encrypted with your key. Decrypt, and use the 'everify' command with it. Your passphrase will (1 more message)
1014488;1423542695;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo nah, moar like http 2 is basically a rushed "let's reimplement spdy"
1014489;1423542703;mircea_popescu;whaack do it with assbot tho.
1014490;1423542703;whaack;;;eregister whaack A31A30AA659AB67C
1014491;1423542704;gribble;Error: This key already registered in the database.
1014492;1423542722;whaack;fuck
1014493;1423542727;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: Or they were cooked different places and Google didn't get the tug on its leash early enough
1014494;1423542743;whaack;I added the key for another handle is there anyway to remove it?
1014495;1423542777;BingoBoingo;whaack: Have you considered the "literal" nuclear option?
1014496;1423542777;mircea_popescu;!up ihb
1014497;1423542788;mircea_popescu;if you didn't get teh email, ask for another one.
1014498;1423542791;IHB;<+mircea_popescu>
1014499;1423542793;IHB;i got it
1014500;1423542798;IHB;i sent you the coin
1014501;1423542798;mircea_popescu;and look in your mailserver logs see wtf is ahppening
1014502;1423542799;mircea_popescu;ah k
1014503;1423542800;IHB;whew
1014504;1423542810;whaack;;;eregister whaack 54D96EEE73C04299
1014505;1423542811;gribble;Error: Could not retrieve your key from keyserver. Either it isn't there, or it is invalid.
1014506;1423542833;IHB;dude. i really want to get into WOT
1014507;1423542849;IHB;as soon things settle down with my team. i am gonna do it
1014508;1423542856;mircea_popescu;"where they are met either with a mass of angry villagers, who refuse to let them take anyone" so czar's army, this.
1014509;1423542865;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 41950 @ 0.00040344 = 16.9243 BTC [+]
1014510;1423542868;whaack;;;eregister whaack 54D96EEE73C04299
1014511;1423542869;gribble;Error: Could not retrieve your key from keyserver. Either it isn't there, or it is invalid.
1014512;1423542886;mod6;whaack: you can pm gribble too.
1014513;1423542891;whaack;apolagies
1014514;1423542899;mircea_popescu;decimation: " In a Facebook post that was quickly deleted, Defense Minister Stepan Poltorak wrote: �According to unofficial sources, hostels and motels in border regions of neighboring Romania are completely filled with draft dodgers.� << this is true. romania took in like 50k refugees.
1014515;1423542907;mod6;np
1014516;1423542918;mircea_popescu;being kept under wraps because whatever, can't go out saying the us caused a war atrocity and a refugee wave.
1014517;1423542980;decimation;are the romanians pissed about the extra ukrainians?
1014518;1423542983;mircea_popescu;decimation: wonder how many lei it takes to get the local romaninan police to 'overlook' your immigration << it's a civilised country. if you don't break the law they don't care. if you show up at the border without proper paperwork you get fined 500 lei (~100 euro) and generally forbidden to reenter for 5 years.
1014519;1423542988;mircea_popescu;nah.
1014520;1423543024;mircea_popescu;this entire "don't let people in" is purely a welfare state thing. romania is not one.
1014521;1423543035;decimation;so the romanian government explictly granted this refugee status?
1014522;1423543049;mircea_popescu;nah.
1014523;1423543055;mircea_popescu;as above :)
1014524;1423543123;decimation;my understanding is that ukrainians have all been granted russian citizenship anyway, if they choose to use it
1014525;1423543148;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes: he was top notch. << not really. too much anger.
1014526;1423543162;decimation;if I were some derp in a ukrainian village I think I would be on the way to whatever frontier I could manage
1014527;1423543179;mircea_popescu;decimation you gotta understand, europe is europe. think texas during the 1800s, mix-y.
1014528;1423543198;mircea_popescu;decimation but you are that, in that situation, and you're sitting put :)
1014529;1423543215;decimation;heh perhaps
1014530;1423543220;mircea_popescu;what, you think ukrainian peasant has no material or emotional properties ? just because you discount them as alien doesn't make them go away.
1014531;1423543228;mircea_popescu;he loves his oak.
1014532;1423543231;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3350 @ 0.00040344 = 1.3515 BTC [+]
1014533;1423543245;decimation;aye, I can see that
1014534;1423543256;decimation;but the threat of dying for that oak has become quite real
1014535;1423543268;mircea_popescu;actually arond there, from say vienna to about moscow, people are fucking fixated on the soil.
1014536;1423543292;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 84485 @ 0.00040688 = 34.3753 BTC [+]
1014537;1423543302;decimation;multi-generational farms and the like?
1014538;1423543304;IHB;people in india kill each other all the time over less than an oak tree
1014539;1423543309;mircea_popescu;multi in the sense of 50.
1014540;1423543319;decimation;in the us, people are so mobile that they hardly have any loyalty to the soil
1014541;1423543335;decimation;some are, but they are rare
1014542;1423543338;mircea_popescu;yeah well i tell you something, nobody who knew me in a pervious life ever imagined i'd leave cluj.
1014543;1423543338;IHB;<+decimation> in the us, people are so mobile that they hardly have any loyalty to the soil < this more true as every day passes
1014544;1423543341;BingoBoingo;<mircea_popescu> actually arond there, from say vienna to about moscow, people are fucking fixated on the soil. << Amazing how in spite of it mostly being a source of minable lead Ozark folk are still more fixated on their soil
1014545;1423543341;assbot;AMAZING COMPANY!
1014546;1423543344;mircea_popescu;it was a joke for up until the plane left.
1014547;1423543367;BingoBoingo;<IHB> <+decimation> in the us, people are so mobile that they hardly have any loyalty to the soil < this more true as every day passes << Less mobile every week
1014548;1423543379;mircea_popescu;less mobile more alabama ? :D
1014549;1423543393;asciilifeform;in usa, it's jobs/professions more than 'soil'
1014550;1423543417;BingoBoingo;<asciilifeform> in usa, it's jobs/professions more than 'soil' << Only because you are on the east left coast
1014551;1423543439;BingoBoingo;<mircea_popescu> less mobile more alabama ? :D << More sweet home alabama, less freebird
1014552;1423543457;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes:  sadly, got banned. even mircea_popescu couldn't out-chat him. << gtfo that's so totally not what happened.
1014553;1423543464;IHB;i lived in louisiana for a while and we went to bama all the time
1014554;1423543477;IHB;i like better than here in LA
1014555;1423543479;mircea_popescu;i think i have a pic of me in mobile.
1014556;1423543499;IHB;did you smell the pulp from the factory in mobile?
1014557;1423543529;mircea_popescu;http://trilema.com/2013/fire-in-alabama-lets-make-the-most-of-it/ < there we go.
1014558;1423543530;assbot;Fire in Alabama, let's make the most of it. pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.  ... ( http://bit.ly/1IIebCL )
1014559;1423543535;IHB;hey <+mircea_popescu> why did they suspend your twitter account? how do you get suspended but ISIS is allowed to troll away
1014560;1423543540;mircea_popescu;IHB actually no, there was a strike or something. they weren't going.
1014561;1423543551;mircea_popescu;IHB i killed some derp.
1014562;1423543574;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: You fucked a fort in mobile. Full of nubile ROLL TIDE cheerleaders, or at least that will be the legend in 2145
1014563;1423543589;mircea_popescu;lol wut.
1014564;1423543663;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: You for get the weather that erodes civilization... time.
1014565;1423543681;lobbes;<asciilifeform> in usa, it's jobs/professions more than 'soil' << aye, this is what binds me. This mouse-trap cheese is so tasty
1014566;1423543700;mircea_popescu;lobbes you and... all the usians here pretty much.
1014567;1423543705;lobbes;maybe can get some before it slams down
1014568;1423543711;mircea_popescu;say, y;all know  the aesop fable of the fat mouse ?
1014569;1423543712;IHB;<+mircea_popescu> too bad. his derp friends probably spent more money on his funeral than he would have derping away
1014570;1423543714;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: Trilema reflects you were in Alabama. When trends on reddit change suddenly they will say you fucked all of the Bama cheerleraders in a heroic battle agaisnt Condie Rice
1014571;1423543736;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo i can't recall who i fucked in mobile.
1014572;1423543742;mircea_popescu;it's kinda hazy at this point.
1014573;1423543751;asciilifeform;http://fatmouse.org << obligatory
1014574;1423543754;assbot;THE DOMAIN OF THE FATMOUSE - UNOFFICIAL MIRROR
1014575;1423543756;asciilifeform;^ legendary
1014576;1423543767;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: And the fanfic crowd will on that doubt rewrite history.
1014577;1423543772;asciilifeform;'FATMOUSE IS COMING AND HE HAS A MESSAGE AND YOU ARE NOT GOING TO LIKE IT. FATMOUSE WILL CONSUME YOUR POOR THIN WORLD AND REGURGITATE IT IN HIS OWN IMAGE. FATMOUSE DOES NOT WORK FOR YOU AND HE DOES NOT ACKNOWLEDGE YOUR MEAGRE HOPES AND DREAMS. IT IS BETTER TO WALK WITH FATMOUSE THAN TO BE IN HIS PATH, FOR FATMOUSE MUST FEED.'
1014578;1423543804;whaack;So going back to my bitcoinquestion spree - do you guys believe the conversation in /r/bitcoin is controlled by a few people with many accounts directing an unnatural conversation?
1014579;1423543804;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform what is this, the bitcoin jesus ?
1014580;1423543816;mod6;asciilifeform: pretty long bumper sticker
1014581;1423543847;BingoBoingo;whaack: To an extent, largely controlled by systemic failures in reddits mode of failing to social means
1014582;1423543885;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: to this day i have no idea. originally found it some time in '99, i think. appears to be inspired by one of the 'leptin knockout' experimental mice
1014583;1423543899;mircea_popescu;srother is pretty fucking pissed.
1014584;1423543923;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: Prototype knockout mice often get extreme obesity or cancer for their compelled bravery.\
1014585;1423543953;mircea_popescu;Guest85903: i'm working on setting up all the shit in the wiki << this really should be in the bash lol
1014586;1423543972;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: didja know, mouse farming makes bitcoin mining look tame both re: profit (in fiat terms at least) and risk
1014587;1423543989;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: ten thousand $maxint custom mice can croak overnight
1014588;1423544014;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo: Except for midsession disconnections << xchat irssi and all others can be config'd to not autoreconnect. so you can handle manually./
1014589;1423544019;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: Well... Mice are awfully fragile. Especially when $maxint is spent knocking out something that was important
1014590;1423544027;asciilifeform;esp. then.
1014591;1423544045;asciilifeform;but, interestingly, even 'standard' mice.
1014592;1423544046;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform someone in biotech had this sad story a while back about a lost farm. i had one too
1014593;1423544053;mircea_popescu;uh wait. it was you wasn;'t it
1014594;1423544057;asciilifeform;possibly.
1014595;1423544061;BingoBoingo;<mircea_popescu> BingoBoingo: Except for midsession disconnections << xchat irssi and all others can be config'd to not autoreconnect. so you can handle manually./ << Working on a online machine migration in the near future.
1014596;1423544064;*;asciilifeform not directly involved with mouse farming at any point
1014597;1423544095;BingoBoingo;<mircea_popescu> asciilifeform someone in biotech had this sad story a while back about a lost farm. i had one too << Was this the lab flooded in the hurricaine?
1014598;1423544127;mircea_popescu;my memory fails me.
1014599;1423544154;mircea_popescu;mebbe it was bugpowder
1014600;1423544180;mircea_popescu;danielpbarron: Guest85903, just use the name that your mother and father gave you; honor them. << not a bad principle.
1014601;1423544194;whaack;yeah
1014602;1423544215;whaack;<-based on my name
1014603;1423544262;BingoBoingo;whaack: Are you a winkelvii?
1014604;1423544283;mircea_popescu;im waiting for the first Carmen_Beercunt
1014605;1423544283;whaack;Yeah the shorter brother who they wouldn't let in the film :(
1014606;1423544314;BingoBoingo;whaack: When did Yall move to San Jose?
1014607;1423544328;BingoBoingo;Or is it a VPN?
1014608;1423544346;whaack;I'm using a VPN
1014609;1423544351;BingoBoingo;Ah
1014610;1423544360;whaack;Because when I don't and I join this channel my internet cuts out for 30 fucking minutes
1014611;1423544371;whaack;Seriously made me wanna kill something
1014612;1423544396;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu> im waiting for the first Carmen_Beercunt << If I make my escape to the Phillipines to scoope up a handful of Azn wives I'll name the second this
1014613;1423544420;mircea_popescu;i think you name their spawn, not them themselves.
1014614;1423544425;mircea_popescu;whaack get a cloak.
1014615;1423544440;BingoBoingo;"FATMOUSE IS A SELF-SUSTAINING INDUSTRY. FATMOUSE NEEDS A SUPERCOMPUTER TO COUNT ALL THE CALORIES HE MUST CONSUME. STOCK IN FATMOUSE ALWAYS GOES UP. YOU SHOULD BUY STOCK IN FATMOUSE. FATMOUSE EATS YOUR STOCK. YOU ARE AN INITIAL PUBLIC OFFERING TO FATMOUSE."
1014616;1423544494;BingoBoingo;!up whaack
1014617;1423544500;whaack;mircea_popescu: A cloak is a VPN no? I have one now
1014618;1423544518;mircea_popescu;whaack you can go in #freenode ask for a cloak
1014619;1423544523;BingoBoingo;whaack: Nah a cloak is freenode masking your VPN
1014620;1423544567;whaack;ah okay
1014621;1423544594;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: http://www.pbfcomics.com/270/
1014622;1423544597;assbot;The Perry Bible Fellowship
1014623;1423544638;BingoBoingo;Oh, look at Gawker Media try to infring on Trilema territory http://adequateman.deadspin.com/an-exceedingly-polite-beginners-guide-to-anal-sex-1683774847/+robharvilla
1014624;1423544640;assbot;An Exceedingly Polite Beginner's Guide To Anal Sex
1014625;1423544727;mircea_popescu;lol running out of femtalk ?
1014626;1423544744;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: Prolly?
1014627;1423544762;BingoBoingo;Then again this is the "polite" guide
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1014649;1423544914;asciilifeform;^ what is this
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1014651;1423544917;BingoBoingo;In a sort of roundabout way it did. Kind of a combination of a horror story that was deemed too gross to run in AaCP's former home and some recent questions left in the comments of the bedwetting post.
1014652;1423544924;mircea_popescu;derp.
1014653;1423544929;asciilifeform;penalty!
1014654;1423544935;mircea_popescu;ya srsly.
1014655;1423544940;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo xx btc to kako beer fund
1014656;1423544956;mircea_popescu;LEARN HOW TO KBD NOOB
1014657;1423544992;mircea_popescu;!up BingoBoingo
1014658;1423545000;mircea_popescu;oh i thought you had made an infinity paste.
1014659;1423545049;BingoBoingo;!up Sorry, was playing with Emacs as a manager for my pasta buffers. In over my head.
1014660;1423545058;mircea_popescu;that thing when you notice an event that's been announced weeks ago that nobody is going to go to, declare you're going and within six hours everyone's going and teh oirganizer emailed to thank you. twice.
1014661;1423545135;whaack;What's the best way to break through the I-have-no-trust catch 22
1014662;1423545167;BingoBoingo;e9e17fb4b3d7f044c329464497b47f3d9ee0facf9b699d05d54f18fdd46f3b0b
1014663;1423545190;mircea_popescu;whaack not being stupid usually yields some mercy 1's. also doing something useful.
1014664;1423545193;BingoBoingo;whaack: Well, where are you located?
1014665;1423545219;whaack;NYC
1014666;1423545234;BingoBoingo;Ouch
1014667;1423545241;mircea_popescu;did we have anyone we needed whacked in nyc ?
1014668;1423545244;whaack;financial capital of the world!
1014669;1423545290;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: Preet seems to whack himself pretty well
1014670;1423545309;mircea_popescu;he's not italian even.
1014671;1423545314;mircea_popescu;who the fuck';s gonna bother with him.
1014672;1423545356;whaack;mircea_popescu: was the pun on my name intentional?
1014673;1423545367;mircea_popescu;no, i often speak biaccident.
1014674;1423545377;BingoBoingo;!b 2
1014675;1423545386;assbot;Last 2 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/2XPNJZN.txt )
1014676;1423545440;BingoBoingo;<mircea_popescu> who the fuck';s gonna bother with him. >> http://sexylosers.com/089.html
1014677;1423545441;assbot;#089 - Boys Night Out [3 of 4] ... ( http://bit.ly/1vfmpqx )
1014678;1423545549;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 163000 @ 0.00039168 = 63.8438 BTC [-]
1014679;1423545639;BingoBoingo;!up Vexual
1014680;1423545689;Vexual;Whilst strolling thru some summer city
1014681;1423545689;danielpbarron;whaack, hey neighbor! I'm in CT
1014682;1423545727;whaack;nice :)
1014683;1423545730;Vexual;Met a girl very wall-eyed and pretty
1014684;1423545738;whaack;what part?
1014685;1423545769;danielpbarron;shoreline
1014686;1423545784;danielpbarron;more towards the NYC side at the moment
1014687;1423545922;Vexual;Her backdoor was ajar
1014688;1423545935;whaack;alrightie well I'm out thanks for the help with setting up the WoT shit
1014689;1423545937;Vexual;So I slammed the thing hard
1014690;1423545964;Vexual;Now her eyes are aligned mores the pity
1014691;1423546012;Vexual;Anyone got a selenim guy? I wanna get loaded
1014692;1423546159;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27200 @ 0.00039867 = 10.8438 BTC [+]
1014693;1423546209;mod6;Vexual: selenium?
1014694;1423546283;Vexual;Err whats that load testing suite of trickiness?
1014695;1423546317;Vexual;More a motel room I guess
1014696;1423546342;mod6;selenium doesn't really do perf testing if that's what you're looking for. it mainly can just drive through html like a browser.
1014697;1423546372;Vexual;Perf testing?
1014698;1423546378;Vexual;Ah
1014699;1423546380;mod6;performance
1014700;1423546387;Vexual;Yes
1014701;1423546427;mod6;there's jmeter for load testing, but it bites, mainly. and it's scripting sucks even more.
1014702;1423546435;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: Disney just scored another victory today agaisnt the persistent lack of 'Murican culture http://www.theverge.com/2015/2/9/8010169/spider-man-in-marvel-movies-the-avengers
1014703;1423546438;assbot;Spider-Man is now a part of Marvel's Cinematic Universe | The Verge
1014704;1423546473;mod6;it's a free tool. other perf testers can get expensive. *shrug*
1014705;1423546654;Vexual;Whats selenium for then? A cheaper version of 10k iphones?
1014706;1423546708;mod6;selenium lets you automate fuctional testing of a http framework -- you can use it to drive through a website, click on stuff, fill out forms, etc.
1014707;1423546723;mod6;*functional
1014708;1423547025;Vexual;Neato
1014709;1423547196;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 47700 @ 0.00039867 = 19.0166 BTC [+]
1014710;1423547297;Vexual;Bb I saw some mall managers measuring shopfronts for glossiness ignoring the knock off asian disney shit in the centre of their center
1014711;1423547337;Vexual;Peripheral vision
1014712;1423547655;scoopbot;New post on Qntra.net by cazalla: http://qntra.net/2015/02/hong-kong-monetary-authority-uses-mycoin-hk-debacle-to-troll-consumers/
1014713;1423549637;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 144564 @ 0.00040574 = 58.6554 BTC [+] {2} 
1014714;1423549731;BingoBoingo;;;google Tony Larussa eye herpes
1014715;1423549732;gribble;Doctor Writes That Pinkeye Is Most Certainly Not To Blame For Tony ...: <http://deadspin.com/5795015/doctor-writes-that-pinkeye-is-most-certainly-not-to-blame-for-tony-larussas-frightening-face>; La Russa's shingles are tough opponent : Sports: <http://www.stltoday.com/sports/baseball/professional/la-russa-s-shingles-are-tough-opponent/article_e3ca259a- (1 more message)
1014716;1423549746;cazalla;BingoBoingo, beat ya to it
1014717;1423549783;BingoBoingo;Ah
1014718;1423549818;cazalla;well, landed on the wikipedia page first
1014719;1423549924;BingoBoingo;https://twitter.com/BBoingo/status/565035372980490240
1014720;1423549933;assbot;Anybody know how I can stop systemd /var/log/journal from filling ever partition it's in?
1014721;1423550734;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 149489 @ 0.00039122 = 58.4831 BTC [-] {3} 
1014722;1423551260;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo by taking it off ?
1014723;1423551286;BingoBoingo;Well one way.
1014724;1423551347;BingoBoingo;!up Vexual
1014725;1423551575;Vexual;Or send it somewhere unique
1014726;1423551638;Vexual;!s horse outside
1014727;1423551639;assbot;0 results for 'horse outside' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=horse+outside
1014728;1423551684;Vexual;$hit
1014729;1423551783;Vexual;Now I can use kakos bucket shop
1014730;1423551887;mircea_popescu;i find it quite amusing how gavin's 5th column are trying to turn their laughable defeat around into a sort of victory along the lines of "well we can';t have what we want, and that's okay as long as you admit democratic process".
1014731;1423551918;mircea_popescu;somethingm along the lines of http://www.27bslash6.com/trash.html
1014732;1423551921;assbot;I checked with Carol at the mini-golf hut and no pants were found on the fence.
1014733;1423551948;Vexual;Lol
1014734;1423551954;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: They are 'Murican and can't distinguish consent and consensus
1014735;1423551955;mircea_popescu;"Regardless of whether you waive the fine or not, and despite conditional terms added to reassert authority", that sort of stuff, "it doesn't matter which way it goes as long as you accept our framing of the issues"
1014736;1423551980;mircea_popescu;sort of bullshit. whenever you run into it you can be pretty sure you've run into an usg nest, it's like the fox scent and the fox.
1014737;1423551992;mircea_popescu;at any rate : they can't have that much. bitcoin is NOT a democracy. votes DO NOT count. in fact, votes are squarely irrelevant in this matter.
1014738;1423552050;Vexual;! Baidu horse outside
1014739;1423552118;BingoBoingo;http://rt.com/usa/230759-cnn-us-troops-ukraine/
1014740;1423552179;Vexual;Whats happening in Ukraine?  I've limited bandwidth
1014741;1423552343;Vexual;Qntra got a world affairs tab yet?
1014742;1423552407;BingoBoingo;Ish
1014743;1423552417;Vexual;?
1014744;1423553029;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo aww, and all this time spend claiming it was teh russians!
1014745;1423553479;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 105600 @ 0.00040615 = 42.8894 BTC [+] {3} 
1014746;1423553784;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 215012 @ 0.00041036 = 88.2323 BTC [+] {3} 
1014747;1423553994;BingoBoingo;Looks like it
1014748;1423555746;BingoBoingo;!up beetcoin
1014749;1423555750;BingoBoingo;!up hktud0
1014750;1423558908;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 51150 @ 0.00039189 = 20.0452 BTC [-]
1014751;1423559701;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 56800 @ 0.00039189 = 22.2594 BTC [-]
1014752;1423559762;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 47315 @ 0.00039045 = 18.4741 BTC [-] {2} 
1014753;1423559934;punkman;cazalla: a cake tin that bakes slices of cake so that every slice is an end bit << maybe http://www.amazon.com/Bakers-Edge-Nonstick-Brownie-Pan/dp/B000MMK448
1014754;1423559937;assbot;Amazon.com: Baker's Edge Nonstick Edge Brownie Pan: Novelty Cake Pans: Kitchen & Dining ... ( http://bit.ly/16KCyhm )
1014755;1423560003;punkman;or DIY with thick foil/sheet metal
1014756;1423560420;punkman;http://forums.tigsource.com/index.php?topic=44437.0
1014757;1423560422;assbot;Hac (Pilgrimage) - First-Person Adventure W/ Focus on Interaction ... ( http://bit.ly/16KE7vA )
1014758;1423560477;punkman;"a pilgrimage through 1990
1014759;1423560490;punkman;1990's Europe, in a low-poly Trabant
1014760;1423560677;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 165500 @ 0.00039219 = 64.9074 BTC [+] {2} 
1014761;1423561585;punkman;http://www.nytimes.com/2015/02/08/nyregion/stream-of-foreign-wealth-flows-to-time-warner-condos.html
1014762;1423561588;assbot;Log In - The New York Times ... ( http://bit.ly/1DedOed )
1014763;1423561795;cazalla;punkman, that's a start!
1014764;1423562385;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 104800 @ 0.00039326 = 41.2136 BTC [+]
1014765;1423562617;BigBitz;ben_vulpes: Not sure what you mean?
1014766;1423563107;cazalla;http://www.mweb.co.za/games/ViewNewsArticle/tabid/2549/Article/18116/Gamer-faces-five-years-in-prison-for-Swatting.aspx
1014767;1423563109;assbot;Gamer faces five years in prison for Swatting > Gamezone > View News Article ... ( http://bit.ly/1Deg98N )
1014768;1423564708;punkman;https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B9crB74IAAAe3TV.jpg
1014769;1423564709;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1DeiCA4 )
1014770;1423565765;punkman;http://www.nytimes.com/1987/09/06/books/enough-true-belivers-to-run-a-small-war.html
1014771;1423565766;assbot;ENOUGH TRUE BELIVERS TO RUN A SMALL WAR - NYTimes.com ... ( http://bit.ly/1vfXWkP )
1014772;1423566477;Naphex;lmao. that ByExpress scam is insanely funny and totally retarded https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bJMJJIaIurs#t=604 . How are they even hooking anyone on this :o
1014773;1423566480;assbot;BYXPRESS Presentation - YouTube
1014774;1423567628;mircea_popescu;!up NewLiberty
1014775;1423567692;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 137296 @ 0.0003962 = 54.3967 BTC [+]
1014776;1423567998;mircea_popescu;Naphex: lmao. that ByExpress scam is insanely funny and totally retarded  << teh accent lol. &teh mouthbreather speech speed...
1014777;1423568021;Naphex;mircea_popescu: apparently they are official google partners as well :O
1014778;1423568047;Naphex;i'm just amazed. that people will "invest" that high amount and do zero dilligence
1014779;1423568049;mircea_popescu;every half serious mfa spammer has that.
1014780;1423568075;Naphex;http://www.arq.ro/-byxpress-la-arad
1014781;1423568079;assbot; ByXpress la Arad ... ( http://bit.ly/1CcOIIx )
1014782;1423568094;Naphex;thing is this guys seem to be starting from local, so basicly ruining any market
1014783;1423568150;Naphex;is this the early stages, or just selectively picking idiots?
1014784;1423568164;mircea_popescu;mlm is mostly idiots pretending. sort-of like reddit.
1014785;1423568200;punkman;http://crockpotveggies.com/2015/02/09/automating-tinder-with-eigenfaces.html   "Am I still using the bot? I've actually turned it off for now. Admittedly, it worked too well and started to conflict with work."
1014786;1423568201;assbot;Automating Tinder with Eigenfaces ... ( http://bit.ly/1DeolpC )
1014787;1423568207;Naphex;do they get busted? they use real names I assume
1014788;1423568219;Naphex;and essentialy just defraud their aquantances when it busts?
1014789;1423568232;punkman;acquaintances, family, whoever
1014790;1423568285;mircea_popescu;Naphex yes, it's what one of these things is, "con your family and friends".
1014791;1423568307;mircea_popescu;"they won't give you money directly ? that's fine, trick them into giving it to us! "
1014792;1423568330;Naphex;yeah but they just send it upwards
1014793;1423568334;Naphex;which is even more retard it
1014794;1423568391;mircea_popescu;as average iq keeps dropping and average intelligence drops with the square of the iq, and as complexity increases like a fucking cube of time or something, there's bound to be more and more of these.
1014795;1423568401;mircea_popescu;when i was 18, the average 18 yo could support himself.
1014796;1423568410;mircea_popescu;now im 35 and the average 35 yo CAN NOT support himself.
1014797;1423568493;mircea_popescu;kinda why defranchising of most of the population / having money and resources controlled by a tiny minority / having most people live in ever larger harems, as ever more abject slaves of whoever's brain still works is unavoiable.
1014798;1423568533;mircea_popescu;this is the case for it : people of average intelligence are not actually smart enough to survive.
1014799;1423568589;mircea_popescu;and you can't you know, "make everything illegal so idiots have a chance". it will be tried, obviously, but with no expectation of working to any degree.
1014800;1423568589;chetty;Have people actually gotten dumber or has the world just gotten more complex?
1014801;1423568606;mircea_popescu;people have factually gotten dumber. AND the world has got more complex.
1014802;1423568672;mircea_popescu;something like smart = Cx / t^2 while complexity = Cy + a t ^ 3
1014803;1423568678;mircea_popescu;clearly smart/complexity -> inf.
1014804;1423568697;mircea_popescu;-> 0 *
1014805;1423568785;mircea_popescu;(the reason one can be ^ -2 while the other is at ^ 3 is the hugeness of population : you only need one guy to push complexity up. so in this sense, lower population is in fact insurance against decreasing average life quality)
1014806;1423568814;chetty;well the time between your 18 and 35 is not enough for actual species change, so its environmental ?
1014807;1423568842;mircea_popescu;but megatrends may well be observable in a short interval even if they are not in fact contained in that interval.
1014808;1423568849;punkman;re: 10m people, what kind of world can you run on that considering current complexity?
1014809;1423568879;mircea_popescu;if some drunk driver loses control over vehicle at t=0, goes over embankment at t = 1.8s and explodes at t = 3.5s,
1014810;1423568893;mircea_popescu;it will be BECAUSE he lost control, but the losing of control would have happened long before
1014811;1423568921;mircea_popescu;punkman depends how you select them. if well selected, something pretty cool i imagine. like, a world in which nobody is going to spam.
1014812;1423568981;*;mircea_popescu points to http://trilema.com/2012/anonimity-or-the-urban-versus-rural-dispute/ because it's illustrative of the concept. a global village is probably better than the current metastatic urban sprawl.
1014813;1423568981;assbot;Anonimity, or the urban versus rural dispute. pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.  ... ( http://bit.ly/1DepwFw )
1014814;1423569010;mircea_popescu;imagine a web without all the idiotic "web start-ups".
1014815;1423569037;chetty;may not be that far off, if us declares it public utility
1014816;1423569046;mircea_popescu;no further need for makework jobs, no more government crapolade, etc.
1014817;1423569099;mircea_popescu;the need for police, for instance, is a strict function of population density. places with < 1 person / sqkm do not need any police.
1014818;1423569295;mircea_popescu;!up CoraCrisT
1014819;1423569314;CoraCrisT;thanks, Mircea
1014820;1423569321;mircea_popescu;cheers.
1014821;1423569558;mircea_popescu;punkman "''a giant theft machine,'' moving billions illegally around the world, engaged in financing the heroin trade, tax fraud and wound up bilking innocent investors of at least $50 million." << the substance of unsubstantiated journalism.
1014822;1423569596;mircea_popescu;"he was a drug lord and thief, moving many thousands of dollars and running an unpaid bill of at least 50 bux"
1014823;1423569729;punkman;mircea_popescu: downsizing would of course remove large swaths of complexity/scarcity, but I was thinking if "global village", how many people do we need so I can have computer and underwater fiber network, 10m doesn't sound like enough
1014824;1423569760;mircea_popescu;punkman robots.
1014825;1423569772;mircea_popescu;you don't seriously imagine that "people" out and about are in fact efficient ?
1014826;1423569795;punkman;doesn't take much to feed them
1014827;1423569827;mircea_popescu;currently you have machinery that can cut up, melt and re-set the asphalt. much like a sort of "3d printer for roads", really.
1014828;1423569838;mircea_popescu;the only reason it's not automated ? roads aren't straight. and that is because ?
1014829;1423569864;mircea_popescu;take out 99.85% of the population, suddenly roads can be straight np.
1014830;1423569876;CoraCrisT;:)))))))))
1014831;1423569899;chetty;no more cities ... everyone lives in the country on their own estates?
1014832;1423569906;mircea_popescu;global VILLAGE.
1014833;1423569910;CoraCrisT;and this is how you become the favorite architect of every dictator in the world
1014834;1423569911;punkman;friend wanted to buy one of those, but local council wasn't gonna fire 12 man-crew
1014835;1423569918;mircea_popescu;exactly.
1014836;1423569924;mircea_popescu;no more need for make work jobs ? robots.
1014837;1423569936;mircea_popescu;i seriouslydon't see why anyone would be laying optic fibre by hand.
1014838;1423569959;mircea_popescu;and we actually have the technoogy to make the robots work together and automatically
1014839;1423569963;CoraCrisT;becouse as a cable company, we pledge to offer jobs ;))
1014840;1423569967;mircea_popescu;much like that vacuum cleanner manages to keep the house clean
1014841;1423569972;mircea_popescu;what's it called. the little derpy robot guy
1014842;1423570009;punkman;hard to replace human repairman with robot currently
1014843;1423570017;mircea_popescu;only because so dense.
1014844;1423570024;CoraCrisT;hmm.. i would disagree
1014845;1423570027;mircea_popescu;once space no longer such a constraint, very easy to do.
1014846;1423570045;CoraCrisT;robots are pretty capable of diagnosis and automated repairs
1014847;1423570047;punkman;because human can do things robot can't, even if it has a brain to remote-control it
1014848;1423570066;mircea_popescu;there's no doubt in my mind that the "every fuckhead's sacred, god needs every one" current mantra is headed the same way monty python saw catholicism go.
1014849;1423570067;CoraCrisT;also robots can do things humans can`t
1014850;1423570079;mircea_popescu;punkman yes, but those things don't have to matter.
1014851;1423570094;CoraCrisT;imagine a waste disposal team made of robots , in chemical situations, etc :)
1014852;1423570095;mircea_popescu;this is like saying "artisan can do things cnc mill can not"
1014853;1423570100;CoraCrisT;fukushima robo cleaners
1014854;1423570107;mircea_popescu;very true. however, you don't HAVE to fight a war to suit the artisan.
1014855;1423570107;chetty;actually no need to straighten the roads, just do away with them
1014856;1423570113;mircea_popescu;you can fight the war so as to suit the cnc mill
1014857;1423570129;mircea_popescu;which is fundamentally the point of ww2.
1014858;1423570177;mircea_popescu;chetty they won't be roads i imagine, more like hovercraft pads.
1014859;1423570318;mircea_popescu;<punkman> doesn't take much to feed them << this is true. cigarettes  also don't take much to buy.
1014860;1423570326;mircea_popescu;dealing with the after effects of having bought them, however, different story.
1014861;1423570346;mircea_popescu;it is incontrovertible fact that most people alive today will have cost more than they were worth by the time they die, and this by orders of magnitude.
1014862;1423571047;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 67102 @ 0.00040104 = 26.9106 BTC [+]
1014863;1423571125;mircea_popescu;lol this is funny.
1014864;1423571128;mircea_popescu;;;google "Personal responsibility and the Ponzi scam"
1014865;1423571128;gribble;Personal responsiblity and the Ponzi scam. - Bitcoin Forum: <https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=106391.20>; Ponzi Schemes and Bubble Scam Investment Frauds: <http://www.crimes-of-persuasion.com/Crimes/InPerson/MajorPerson/ponzi.htm>; A $50 Billion Ponzi Scheme - Reason.com: <http://reason.com/archives/2008/12/18/a-50-billion-ponzi-scheme>
1014866;1423571141;mircea_popescu;;;google Personal responsibility and the Ponzi scam
1014867;1423571142;gribble;Personal responsiblity and the Ponzi scam. - Bitcoin Forum: <https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=106391.20>; Ponzi Schemes and Bubble Scam Investment Frauds: <http://www.crimes-of-persuasion.com/Crimes/InPerson/MajorPerson/ponzi.htm>; A $50 Billion Ponzi Scheme - Reason.com: <http://reason.com/archives/2008/12/18/a-50-billion-ponzi-scheme>
1014868;1423571352;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 113094 @ 0.00040228 = 45.4955 BTC [+] {4} 
1014869;1423572673;mircea_popescu;CoraCrisT https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P1M28fAPHl4 << tine acolo la caz ca ajung astia aradenii bogati. nu se stie.
1014870;1423572674;assbot;RObotzi.S01.Ep6.Paralele - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1CPvYEt )
1014871;1423573430;scoopbot;New post on Trilema by Mircea Popescu: http://trilema.com/2015/futurology-or-the-very-scary-story-of-how-doomed-you-are/
1014872;1423573611;punkman;related: "Indonesia has formally complained to Malaysia over an advert for a robot  vacuum cleaner which told consumers to "Fire your Indonesian maid now"." http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-31143198
1014873;1423573612;assbot;BBC News - 'Fire your Indonesian maid' advert sparks row with Malaysia ... ( http://bit.ly/1CPyQRP )
1014874;1423573654;mircea_popescu;!up karcano
1014875;1423573683;mircea_popescu;unrelated : Teacher explains superlatives, then has children give examples. Little Johhny : Big, bigger, biggest. Little Sammy : Hard, harder, hardest.
1014876;1423573683;mircea_popescu;Little Loli : Deep, deeper, ouch!
1014877;1423576307;scoopbot;New post on Trilema by Mircea Popescu: http://trilema.com/2015/genderbendin-lulz/
1014878;1423576345;mircea_popescu;http://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/uknews/food-blogger-plunges-to-his-death-from-roof-of-coq-dargent/ar-AA9cZDM?ocid=mailsignoutmd
1014879;1423576346;assbot;Food blogger plunges to his death from roof of Coq D'Argent ... ( http://bit.ly/16Lz3qZ )
1014880;1423576359;mircea_popescu;they're down to food bloggers now ? no further bankers left ?
1014881;1423576497;mircea_popescu;https://wilkes888.wordpress.com/2015/02/08/final-message-thank-you-everyone/
1014882;1423576498;assbot;Final Message… thank you everyone… | @wilkes888 - London based Food & Drink-o-phile ... ( http://bit.ly/16LzDFh )
1014883;1423576747;punkman;lolwut "The reason for my death is simple. I have concluded that in the realm of  dating and relationships the primary characteristics required for men  are as follows."
1014884;1423576915;mircea_popescu;"Mircea Popescu February 10, 2015 at 14:01 Reply Your comment is awaiting moderation.
1014885;1423576916;mircea_popescu;Congrats for figuring it out, and doing the right thing.
1014886;1423576916;mircea_popescu;If only more people in your unfortunate situation had the intellectual honesty to look their failure in the eye and take the jump, the world would be a much better place.
1014887;1423576916;mircea_popescu;Even among losers, there�s hierarchy : the better ones leave, the scum of the scum sticks around."
1014888;1423576921;mircea_popescu;sadly i dun think it's ever getting approved.
1014889;1423577050;mircea_popescu;"I originally performed this test 5 times and found approximately a 95% skew" << :D
1014890;1423577076;danielpbarron;the guy's name was "boozedude" ..
1014891;1423577089;danielpbarron;kinda like bitcoindude
1014892;1423577265;mircea_popescu;"I was told that this sample set was too small so I performed the same test over four to five years until I reached the sample size of 10,000 in total split into tranches of 100. Every time the answer effectively remained the same. All the samples lie between a 94% bias and a 100% bias."
1014893;1423578123;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 137135 @ 0.00039644 = 54.3658 BTC [-] {3} 
1014894;1423578422;ben_vulpes;http://wkbn.com/2015/02/05/niles-cop-disciplined-after-questionable-traffic-stop/
1014895;1423578424;assbot;Niles cop back on the job; report found he threatened couple | WKBN.com ... ( http://bit.ly/16OEENu )
1014896;1423578430;ben_vulpes;"questionable"
1014897;1423578837;ben_vulpes;http://blogs.barrons.com/techtraderdaily/2015/02/09/apple-has-93-of-mobile-profits-650m-users-by-2018-says-canaccord/ << hard not to read this as "apple mobile users dumbest in the room"
1014898;1423578839;assbot;  Apple Has 93% of Mobile Profits; 650M Users by 2018, Says Canaccord - Tech Trader Daily - Barrons.com ... ( http://bit.ly/1CPQdBP )
1014899;1423582088;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2926 @ 0.00040302 = 1.1792 BTC [+]
1014900;1423582881;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 76012 @ 0.00040303 = 30.6351 BTC [+] {2} 
1014901;1423583224;thestringpuller;"Yes, and it reaches this point over 100 years from now." << i don't like to think of the future cause i'll be dead, let my children deal with the problem.
1014902;1423583234;thestringpuller;love these pseudo arguments. better entertainment than television
1014903;1423583358;nubbins`;100 years? that's like forever
1014904;1423583377;nubbins`;so what if the garbage will catch fire after i throw a lit cigarette in? i'm already on my way out of the building.
1014905;1423583394;nubbins`;Parking brake? But I'm not in the car anymore!
1014906;1423583629;jurov;thestringpuller what do you quote?
1014907;1423583632;jurov;*did
1014908;1423583667;nubbins`;https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=946236.0;all
1014909;1423583668;assbot;Permanently keeping the 1MB (anti-spam) restriction is a great idea ... ... ( http://bit.ly/195ru0b )
1014910;1423583742;asciilifeform;http://cluborlov.blogspot.com/2015/02/masters-of-parallel-universes.html << orlol
1014911;1423583744;assbot;ClubOrlov: Masters of Parallel Universes ... ( http://bit.ly/195rNrH )
1014912;1423583806;asciilifeform;;;bc,stats
1014913;1423583810;gribble;Current Blocks: 342880 | Current Difficulty: 4.44554159623438E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 344735 | Next Difficulty In: 1855 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 4 days, 14 hours, 15 minutes, and 0 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 49234655973.6 | Estimated Percent Change: 10.75064
1014914;1423583818;asciilifeform;337149.
1014915;1423583910;nubbins`;https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=946236.msg10362163#msg10362163
1014916;1423583910;assbot;Permanently keeping the 1MB (anti-spam) restriction is a great idea ... ... ( http://bit.ly/195slOf )
1014917;1423583912;nubbins`;^^ o.O
1014918;1423583917;nubbins`;not sure if srs
1014919;1423583924;nubbins`;suspect it is
1014920;1423583943;asciilifeform;nubbins`: gag
1014921;1423583949;nubbins`;heheh
1014922;1423583953;nubbins`;prolly just a lel actually
1014923;1423583963;asciilifeform;inexpensive lol
1014924;1423583972;nubbins`;i can't imagine anywhere in the world having the capacity or desire to replicate 4k floppies at a time
1014925;1423584017;jurov;it comes with robot to manipulate these floppies
1014926;1423584031;PeterL;;; later tell mircea_popescu is there no report for F.DERP for january?
1014927;1423584032;gribble;The operation succeeded.
1014928;1423584054;nubbins`;https://getaddr.bitnodes.io/nodes/incentive/
1014929;1423584055;assbot;Bitnodes Incentive Program - Bitnodes ... ( http://bit.ly/195sO2R )
1014930;1423584060;nubbins`;jurov oh! like those cd replicators
1014931;1423584064;nubbins`;couple servo arms
1014932;1423584066;*;nubbins` nods
1014933;1423584220;asciilifeform;nubbins`: incentive program << this is what makes zero sense. the buggers have infinite fiat budget, and to their soldiers, they offer... pocket change
1014934;1423584264;nubbins`;are you talking about the .foundation now? XD
1014935;1423584273;asciilifeform;the phoundation
1014936;1423584283;asciilifeform;which appears to sponsor the 'bitnodes' thing
1014937;1423584406;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28143 @ 0.00040766 = 11.4728 BTC [+]
1014938;1423584528;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 42349 @ 0.00039866 = 16.8829 BTC [-] {2} 
1014939;1423584567;nubbins`;o rly!
1014940;1423584585;*;nubbins` scrolls down, sees logo
1014941;1423584598;nubbins`;let's put a pin in this for down the road
1014942;1423584615;nubbins`;maybe a better use of funds than sending hand-printed posters to slum tenants in middle america
1014943;1423584625;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: much like that vacuum cleanner manages to keep the house clean << i recently bought just such a machine. there are at least a dozen manufacturers, and apparently all but one sell machine that work on 'random walk' principle.
1014944;1423584736;asciilifeform;nubbins`: like blood donations, this is probably not the kind of thing you want to pay for and end up seeing done by folks who need the money.
1014945;1423584746;nubbins`;heh
1014946;1423584758;nubbins`;alf, you're a sage
1014947;1423584772;asciilifeform;at least not until 'torrent-like' sync mechanism for bitcoind
1014948;1423584813;asciilifeform;at present, you end up connecting to a node using ip-over-dead-goat-modem and curse your fate until disconnects
1014949;1423584826;nubbins`;.foundation torrent might work, but it'd be janky
1014950;1423584834;nubbins`;throw a fresh torrent up weekly
1014951;1423584839;asciilifeform;it has to be a built-in mechanism
1014952;1423584846;nubbins`;leave the stale one around for a week to let existing peers finish
1014953;1423584859;nubbins`;not really smooth sailing for any definition thereof, but it's a start
1014954;1423584870;asciilifeform;it isn't the start for anything you want
1014955;1423584880;nubbins`;download your Genuine .Foundation Blockchain today
1014956;1423584888;asciilifeform;manually dropping in blockchains is... ick
1014957;1423584911;nubbins`;someone'll do it, if not us!
1014958;1423584926;nubbins`;but you're right
1014959;1423584946;nubbins`;imaigne manually patching .5.3 for two days, then downloading the blockchain off a random torrent
1014960;1423584951;nubbins`;o.O
1014961;1423584974;nubbins`;i guess my pogoplug will arrive this week?
1014962;1423585017;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 79850 @ 0.00040766 = 32.5517 BTC [+] {2} 
1014963;1423585017;nubbins`;this orlov guy is fun to read, but JESUS does it ever send me on tangents
1014964;1423585034;nubbins`;5 tabs of info about tunneling diodes... "oh, wait, i was reading an article"
1014965;1423585493;asciilifeform;re: pogo: i have a cross-compile setup of netbsd for pogo (run on any reasonable unix) working
1014966;1423585498;asciilifeform;except for the ramdisk
1014967;1423585530;asciilifeform;(netbsd's cross-build system is buggy as all hell, and it may turn out that i'm the only one trying to use it in anger presently)
1014968;1423585558;asciilifeform;ramdisk is a must because there is no support in netbsd for pogo's nand flash
1014969;1423585603;asciilifeform;not as much of a deal-killer as it appears, however, because netbsd kernel + required userland (not incl. bitcoind) can slide under 2MB easily
1014970;1423585648;asciilifeform;thing will be snarfed from nand by 'u-boot' on powerup, same as linux kernel presently is, and then run
1014971;1423585681;jurov;well, there is a torrent published for bootstrap.dat. atm only > 0.9 supports it
1014972;1423585683;asciilifeform;if sata drive found, then looks for blockchain on it, sets as datadir
1014973;1423585689;asciilifeform;if not found - formatted
1014974;1423585698;asciilifeform;*blockchain not found
1014975;1423585704;asciilifeform;if drive not found, red led blinks.
1014976;1423585707;asciilifeform;that's more or less it.
1014977;1423585736;asciilifeform;jurov: castrato clients are uninteresting
1014978;1423585782;jurov;but the bootstrap file itself is pretty harmless. just blocks, nothing else
1014979;1423585816;jurov;and when the torent is updated, it is only appended to
1014980;1423585829;thestringpuller;jurov: http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/2vbi45/i_find_it_comedic_that_people_think_bitcoin_can/cogl1ke << some redditard
1014981;1423585917;thestringpuller;https://appsto.re/us/QI_74.i << so someone also stole the deedbot idea?
1014982;1423586082;davout;thestringpuller: the idea of timestamping stuff in the blockchain is as old as bitcoin
1014983;1423586141;davout;oh, a romanian camel dude
1014984;1423586180;mircea_popescu;PeterL not much trade, gonna do a joint statement
1014985;1423586184;mircea_popescu;davout wait wut ?!
1014986;1423586194;thestringpuller;davout: i kno. i'm just being a h8er. Can't I just hate on people.
1014987;1423586201;thestringpuller;Oh hey the romanian camel d00d!
1014988;1423586215;thestringpuller;Who opposes the blocksize limit cause he can't get laid.
1014989;1423586218;thestringpuller;And doesn't have any money.
1014990;1423586223;thestringpuller;~_~
1014991;1423586258;nubbins`;thestringpuller "stole"? o.O
1014992;1423586285;thestringpuller;nubbins`: I was being facetious!
1014993;1423586290;nubbins`;faseeshus
1014994;1423586296;thestringpuller;:(
1014995;1423586304;mircea_popescu;faces r us ?!
1014996;1423586402;nubbins`;faces while u wait
1014997;1423586484;mircea_popescu;so im having the 2nd breakfast of the day. like the previous one, this one also consists of milk and apple pie.
1014998;1423586503;mircea_popescu;this is why i oppose change.
1014999;1423586774;thestringpuller;mircea_popescu: so you're a hobbit?
1015000;1423586785;thestringpuller;;;google 2nd breakfast tolkien
1015001;1423586786;gribble;Second breakfast - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second_breakfast>; J.R.R. Tolkien - The Hobbit: Second Breakfast Day: 21st September ...: <http://www.goodreads.com/topic/show/1024039-second-breakfast-day-21st-september>; Popular items for second breakfast on Etsy: <https://www.etsy.com/market/second_breakfast>
1015002;1423586805;nubbins`;i had coffee and two homemade cookies
1015003;1423586931;mircea_popescu;2 lemonade nookies  > homemade cookies !
1015004;1423587254;mircea_popescu;that dumb thread seriously still going ?
1015005;1423587264;mircea_popescu;eh, nm, what am i asking.
1015006;1423587334;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 68696 @ 0.00041054 = 28.2025 BTC [+]
1015007;1423587370;mircea_popescu;in any case, i guess they don't manage in however many posts to get to addressing the key point of "who pays davis' salary these days".
1015008;1423587372;mircea_popescu;do they ?
1015009;1423587395;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 71350 @ 0.00041157 = 29.3655 BTC [+] {2} 
1015010;1423587509;nubbins`;http://nypost.com/2015/02/08/charles-mansons-fiancee-wanted-to-marry-him-for-his-corpse-source/
1015011;1423587510;assbot;Charles Manson’s fiancée wanted to marry him for his corpse: source | New York Post ... ( http://bit.ly/195FtTr )
1015012;1423587517;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 54800 @ 0.00040108 = 21.9792 BTC [-]
1015013;1423587545;nubbins`;VOLCA SAMPLE OS 1.3 RELEASED
1015014;1423587546;nubbins`;woop!
1015015;1423587558;nubbins`;dem parameter locks!!
1015016;1423587681;nubbins`;(incidentally, the volca sample receives OS updates as modulated audio via a 3.5mm stereo jack)
1015017;1423588493;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 4738 @ 0.00081347 = 3.8542 BTC [-] {6} 
1015018;1423588931;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform: nubbins`: incentive program << this is what makes zero sense. the buggers have infinite fiat budget, and to their soldiers, they offer... pocket change << you have to understand the extrmely problematic nature of infinite budget. suppose you were trying to fly an aeroplane that had infinite thrust.
1015019;1423588935;mircea_popescu;nubbins`: let's put a pin in this for down the road << you're keeping screenshots aren't you.
1015020;1423589268;TomServo;http://ownme.ipredator.se/
1015021;1423589269;assbot;BTC Piñata ... ( http://bit.ly/1E3H7yb )
1015022;1423589280;TomServo;Interesting concept there.
1015023;1423589317;mircea_popescu;basically a dice game amirite ?
1015024;1423589326;nubbins`;mircea_popescu who needs it? !s pin from:nubbins`
1015025;1423589338;nubbins`;dem tools
1015026;1423589339;mircea_popescu;jurov: well, there is a torrent published for bootstrap.dat. atm only > 0.9 supports it << are we desperate for old style blockchains ?
1015027;1423589347;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 110250 @ 0.00041416 = 45.6611 BTC [+] {3} 
1015028;1423589364;jurov;mircea_popescu: read on, it is NOT blockchain
1015029;1423589372;jurov;it's just a bag of blocks
1015030;1423589376;nubbins`;!
1015031;1423589378;nubbins`;fun
1015032;1423589379;mircea_popescu;o.O
1015033;1423589386;mircea_popescu;why not a bag of dicks, while at it.
1015034;1423589386;nubbins`;lego style
1015035;1423589390;nubbins`;what will YOU build
1015036;1423589402;nubbins`;!b 19
1015037;1423589404;assbot;Last 19 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/2KX2T38.txt )
1015038;1423589405;nubbins`;fuck!
1015039;1423589417;mircea_popescu;only underage bashes accepted.
1015040;1423589439;nubbins`;dat single backspace to erase two-char number ;/
1015041;1423590663;thestringpuller;lol the quarterly reports are coming out
1015042;1423590697;thestringpuller;How is Apple making so much money? Does everyone use macs these days?
1015043;1423590716;chetty;never
1015044;1423590819;thestringpuller;Really needs to be a drinking game for these things where you take a shot everytime someone uses a buzz word.
1015045;1423591236;thestringpuller;http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/2vf5xs/deathandtaxes_has_a_brilliant_posting_on_the/ << more whining and machinations of flailing arms
1015046;1423591250;thestringpuller;much more noisy death than most animals.
1015047;1423591429;thestringpuller;so is the bitcoin incentive program going to scale into "If you upgrade to hard fork, we'll incentivize you *wink wink* ?!?"
1015048;1423591438;thestringpuller;We should just take their money by running old nodes.
1015049;1423591531;thestringpuller;LOL they are already doing it!!!
1015050;1423591532;thestringpuller;"Bitnodes uses Bitcoin protocol version 70001 (i.e. >= /Satoshi:0.8.x/), so nodes running an older protocol version will be skipped."
1015051;1423592530;nubbins`;heh
1015052;1423592549;nubbins`;there are plenty of people who would do this for like 5 bucks a month
1015053;1423592824;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 245 @ 0.00588819 = 1.4426 BTC [-] {3} 
1015054;1423593071;mircea_popescu;der[/
1015055;1423593074;mircea_popescu;derp*
1015056;1423593087;mircea_popescu;this stench of desperation is like overpowering by now.
1015057;1423593153;nubbins`;there are people who would do this for a buck a month
1015058;1423593508;mircea_popescu;there are people who would take a fucking picture of a fucking poster for fifty bucks
1015059;1423593516;mircea_popescu;not in ohio, of course, but nevertheless.
1015060;1423593583;ben_vulpes;how do these "chinese liquidity injections" actually work?
1015061;1423593588;ben_vulpes;is it a straight up purchase of dud assets?
1015062;1423593608;mircea_popescu;yes.
1015063;1423593614;mircea_popescu;exactly like the us counterparts.
1015064;1423593626;mircea_popescu;except china has more and much dudlier assets than you could ever imagine.
1015065;1423593668;ben_vulpes;"cleanest shirt in the room" is the phrase i hear our financial "pundits" bandy about.
1015066;1423593730;mircea_popescu;except it's not. mpex also in that room.
1015067;1423593748;mircea_popescu;"cleanest shirts of the shirts we're willing to see" doesn't have quite the same... flavour
1015068;1423593816;ben_vulpes;these are "NPR" reporters - they've no idea that MPEx even exists.
1015069;1423593955;mircea_popescu;anyway, it doesn't matter that the us is the cleanest shirt in the room. that's not really the criteria.
1015070;1423594014;mircea_popescu;in the woods cabin that is this world, the us shirt sits on the chest of a 16 yo, and his brother the 15yo yurp wears a dirtier one. Nevertheless, the absolute dirtiest one is worn by the 32 yo chinese man, whose shirt is dirty because he's the ony one who gets to fuck the only local woman
1015071;1423594021;mircea_popescu;her name's monetization, and that's the whole story.
1015072;1423594056;mircea_popescu;it's true that an online blog the boys read said clean shirt wins.
1015073;1423594071;mircea_popescu;it's not true that it meant in this context.
1015074;1423594896;asciilifeform;usa 'cleanest shirt in the room' << healthiest horse in the glue factory
1015075;1423595061;mircea_popescu;that.
1015076;1423595362;mircea_popescu;for that matter... russia has been "under sanctions" for half a year.
1015077;1423595376;mircea_popescu;i am terribly curious how the us would look should the eu decide to sanction IT for half a year.
1015078;1423595397;mircea_popescu;not that much to the clean shirt theory if one looks closely at the seams.
1015079;1423595570;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 39200 @ 0.00041521 = 16.2762 BTC [+]
1015080;1423595782;mircea_popescu;"Skipping a bunch of details, they left something in her and it was the cause of last week's night in the ER. The working theory is it is a part from the surgical robot that got dislodged or broken off as all their sponge, suture, and staple counts were on. Regardless, it wasn't there before and it is now and I have no idea what the fuck is going to happen next. According to my wife, the surgeon is of the opinion that
1015081;1423595782;mircea_popescu;we should wait and see if it causes any more pain or if it will 'settle in'."
1015082;1423595785;mircea_popescu;sounds legit.
1015083;1423595794;asciilifeform;'...so nodes running an older protocol version will be skipped.' << phoundation's answer to us, yes. anyone contemplating kelvin versioning again ? why should enemy have this much of an easy time with rejecting our nodes?
1015084;1423595802;mircea_popescu;"we fixed your car and your wife, overal the parts count has conserved"
1015085;1423595832;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform dude, reacting to idiots is an inept policy. you will end up with egg on your face.
1015086;1423595841;mircea_popescu;the correct thing to do is to ignore stupid not to code up to stupid.
1015087;1423595848;mircea_popescu;the latter always leaves YOU with stupid in your code.
1015088;1423595899;asciilifeform;in general i agree re: 'wrestling with the pig', but i'm at a loss re: how we aren't simply wearing bull's eyes for no particular reason
1015089;1423595903;mircea_popescu;but if it's a serious point of concern, either move the version string in the config file
1015090;1423595913;mircea_popescu;or i guess i'll ask danielpbarron to include instructions on how to arbitrarily set it.
1015091;1423595933;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform the reason is that the nude woman is perfectly safe in the manly company of the impotent.
1015092;1423595959;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: it is very easy to set. but i wanted to see logic.
1015093;1423595969;mircea_popescu;fuck em. best logic ever.
1015094;1423596030;mircea_popescu;oh lulzy, so they're going to skip safe nodes from whatever harebrained changetip scheme they came up with next ?
1015095;1423596035;mircea_popescu;help me rwanda.
1015096;1423596060;mircea_popescu;notice who is driving this boat : i want to improve incentive structure for nodes ? they execute.
1015097;1423596070;mircea_popescu;why exactly is this bad and why exactly should this be fixed ?
1015098;1423596106;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: which this ?
1015099;1423596108;mircea_popescu;let idiots FINALLY pay nodes to node, after five years wasted power rangering, because mp said so. win-win.
1015100;1423596140;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: ah that. ^ they'll be paying (chump change, apparently) for satanic nodes.
1015101;1423596148;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform isn't the entire discussion about how someone (who ?) is going to (citation needed) pay some loose change to everyone that runs a node ?
1015102;1423596168;mircea_popescu;so let them do something useful for once in their lifetime, it's not a bad thing.
1015103;1423596184;asciilifeform;phoundation.
1015104;1423596271;asciilifeform;if actually happens, even - it's chump bait. 0.8.6 nodes that will be 'seamlessly upgrades' to gavincoin (how? easy - will lose most history, faux verification from that point on, etc.)
1015105;1423596271;mircea_popescu;yaya, fake foudation doesn't actually have what to pay gavin with for the rest of this year. had they stayed in the us they'd have been open to some pretty lulzy litigation.
1015106;1423596282;mircea_popescu;and as far as i hear you can't really sell A series as a non profit.
1015107;1423596320;asciilifeform;nsa can always donationwash another  or ten.
1015108;1423596322;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform that's exactly my point. let them spend their resources paying nodes to node, it's useful. they are incentivized to maximize numbers, which means they will be paying nodes that are conformant to us.
1015109;1423596328;nubbins`;seems easy enough to write a patch that changes version string
1015110;1423596343;mircea_popescu;becayuse while someone may take 1 buck a day to noide, as nubbins` says, they won't fuck up a node for chump change.
1015111;1423596346;mircea_popescu;an' so...
1015112;1423596359;nubbins`;would be pretty lelly to publicly fire up a few k's of .foundation nodes on EC2 and start claiming dat money
1015113;1423596360;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform i already bought a bunch of the pogo guys
1015114;1423596390;asciilifeform;nubbins`: yes, easy. question was about the logic.
1015115;1423596391;mircea_popescu;nubbins` it's a stupid idea anyway, how do you verify nodeness ?
1015116;1423596399;mircea_popescu;if it could be done it'd have been in the fucking protocol.
1015117;1423596413;nubbins`;well, y'know the next step
1015118;1423596416;mircea_popescu;if they manage to do it well, all the better, goes into actual fork.
1015119;1423596427;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: congrats on scoring the pogos!
1015120;1423596438;nubbins`;web dev equivalent: "don't target the browser, target the features"
1015121;1423596456;nubbins`;make a >1MB block and pay nodes that relay it
1015122;1423596476;mircea_popescu;yeah, sure, sure.
1015123;1423596482;mircea_popescu;anbd then discover you actually fucked up the code
1015124;1423596487;mircea_popescu;LIKE EVERY SINGLE PREVIOUS TIME
1015125;1423596500;nubbins`;didn't stop em before
1015126;1423596515;nubbins`;anyway, mark my words
1015127;1423596527;nubbins`;if they're shelling out cash, they're not doing it for a user-settable agent string
1015128;1423596532;mircea_popescu;yeah, because gavin really has a coupla k bitcoins laying around to "repay" the miners that bit a steel girder by trusting him.
1015129;1423596539;nubbins`;they're doing it to push the first block of a fork
1015130;1423596541;mircea_popescu;this is so totally happening, everyone has reddit's memory.
1015131;1423596559;mircea_popescu;which fails to explain how come some people own millions worth of gear and reddit can barely afford a webcam, but hey.
1015132;1423596569;scoopbot;New post on Trilema by Mircea Popescu: http://trilema.com/2015/euloraleaks/
1015133;1423596589;mircea_popescu;nubbins` i hope they do this as you describe it, easily maximal lulz.
1015134;1423596602;nubbins`;i'll put a pin in this, too ^
1015135;1423596615;mircea_popescu;"this is the right thing and in your best interest, and we're so certain of this we'll pay you to do it."
1015136;1423596622;mircea_popescu;such sense this makes i couldn't begin to tell you.
1015137;1423596634;mircea_popescu;!up NewLiberty
1015138;1423596712;nubbins`;"Bottled Queef Gas may be worth 755%"
1015139;1423596717;nubbins`;:0
1015140;1423597078;NewLiberty;Sidechains during a hard fork...
1015141;1423597153;mircea_popescu;and a bottle o' queef gas.
1015142;1423597190;ben_vulpes;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dZ-p4EzWDiE
1015143;1423597191;assbot;Whitesnake - Slide it in - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1Ahr2pT )
1015144;1423597848;mircea_popescu;!up beetcoin
1015145;1423597994;beetcoin;wow, I have voice.
1015146;1423598005;ben_vulpes;are you amazed?
1015147;1423598010;beetcoin;pretty much.
1015148;1423598037;beetcoin;I'm not in the WoT yet.
1015149;1423598170;asciilifeform;http://cryptome.org/2015/02/epic-v-dhs-15-0210.pdf << BingoBoingo: wanna clean this up & try an article ?
1015150;1423598172;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1AhvHIk )
1015151;1423599347;Naphex;https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/2vfwx8/bitcoin_core_dev_patrick_strateman_petertodd_is_a/
1015152;1423599349;assbot;Bitcoin Core Dev Patrick Strateman: "petertodd is a retainer slut. hourly is low but most people are paying him for work he isn't doing" : Bitcoin ... ( http://bit.ly/1AhB4aK )
1015153;1423599358;Naphex;so much fiteing on reddit nowadays
1015154;1423599646;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: I'll give it a read
1015155;1423599654;mircea_popescu;Naphex someone remind strateman that a) he is a fucking felon fraudster, whose name is forever besmirched by one of bitcoin's most idiotic heists (bitcoinica)
1015156;1423599675;mircea_popescu;and that he is also one of the MOST inept "coders" involved in the early stages.
1015157;1423599685;mircea_popescu;ie, back when all the idiots thought they're bitcoin coders.
1015158;1423599705;mircea_popescu;;;rated phantomcircuit
1015159;1423599705;gribble;You have not yet rated user phantomcircuit
1015160;1423599734;mircea_popescu;;;everify mircea_popescu
1015161;1423599735;gribble;Error: Could not find a pending authentication request from your hostmask. Either it expired, or you changed hostmask, or you haven't made one.
1015162;1423599742;mircea_popescu;;;eauth mircea_popescu
1015163;1423599743;gribble;Request successful for user mircea_popescu, hostmask mircea_popescu!~Mircea@pdpc/supporter/silver/mircea-popescu. Get your encrypted OTP from http://bitcoin-otc.com/otps/8A736F0E2FB7B452
1015164;1423599762;mircea_popescu;;;everify freenode:#bitcoin-otc:b4adb22156bc3560f7f16c899dd2896a9af5c26d90b4c8cf345a6562
1015165;1423599763;gribble;You are now authenticated for user mircea_popescu with key 8A736F0E2FB7B452
1015166;1423599868;punkman;https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/2340 "nobody uses nlocktime, how am I gonna built stupid shit on top of it. I know let's make the core wallet use nlocktime on all the transactions."
1015167;1423599870;assbot;Discourage fee sniping with nLockTime by petertodd · Pull Request #2340 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1AhDG8v )
1015168;1423599870;[]bot;Bet placed: 1 BTC for No on "BTC to rally to $4000 before July 2015" http://bitbet.us/bet/1026/ Odds: 9(Y):91(N) by coin, 10(Y):90(N) by weight. Total bet: 14.0199 BTC. Current weight: 39,665.
1015169;1423599872;[]bot;Bet placed: 2 BTC for No on "The Winkdex: BTC $5000 or more in 2015" http://bitbet.us/bet/1104/ Odds: 17(Y):83(N) by coin, 17(Y):83(N) by weight. Total bet: 55.923 BTC. Current weight: 91,592.
1015170;1423599904;mircea_popescu;;;rate phantomcircuit -10 Aka Patrick Strateman. That he has the unmitigated audacity to pretend he is a Bitcoin dev is unsurprising for the history of this felon. His name is permanently besmirched by one of the most inept frauds in the history of Bitcoin (Bitcoinica). He is also famous for sending the entire userbase the email address of the entire userbase. This is the sort of moron early Bitcoin attracted.
1015171;1423599905;gribble;Rating entry successful. Your rating of -10 for user phantomcircuit has been recorded.
1015172;1423599947;mircea_popescu;fucktards.
1015173;1423599957;mircea_popescu;"oh, let's lay low for a coupla years everything will be fine".
1015174;1423599969;Naphex;>>> He is also famous for sending the entire userbase the email address of the entire userbase. This is the sort of moron early Bitcoin attracted. | lmao!
1015175;1423599977;mircea_popescu;Naphex seriously. one line of python.
1015176;1423599983;mircea_popescu;because "security experts" codes in production.
1015177;1423600029;thestringpuller;mircea_popescu: sorry for comment spam on trilema
1015178;1423600040;thestringpuller;fucking << don't work in trilema
1015179;1423600051;thestringpuller;cause html or something
1015180;1423600060;mircea_popescu;lol well yes.
1015181;1423600078;thestringpuller;i blame asciilifeform
1015182;1423600079;thestringpuller;jk
1015183;1423600080;mircea_popescu;ok i delete the first two keep the last ?
1015184;1423600261;thestringpuller;mircea_popescu: yea
1015185;1423600270;thestringpuller;thx :D
1015186;1423600407;mircea_popescu;answer't/
1015187;1423601754;BingoBoingo;jurov: well, there is a torrent published for bootstrap.dat. atm only > 0.9 supports it << I thought 0.7.2 and later all support it, 0.7.2 being the only version to unpack it as BDB blockchain
1015188;1423601780;danielpbarron;0.7.2 stops at block 150`000 or something
1015189;1423601788;danielpbarron;which makes bootstrapping useless
1015190;1423601895;mircea_popescu;torrent chains are a very fucking dumb idea anyway.
1015191;1423601906;mircea_popescu;what's next, usagi's privkey generation services ?
1015192;1423601954;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: 'torrent' in the usual sense would be braindamaged. but nodes loading blocks from more than one peer - is a must.
1015193;1423602023;nubbins`;^
1015194;1423602072;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform i strictly meant the point discussed above, "bootstrap"
1015195;1423602075;mircea_popescu;otherwise absolutely.
1015196;1423602095;mircea_popescu;funny how botomless the capacity of these people to generate conflicting names.
1015197;1423602100;mircea_popescu;it almost looks engineered by now.
1015198;1423602106;nubbins`;set max number of connections, threshold for abandoning slow peers
1015199;1423602134;nubbins`;as a percentage of average download speed, i guess
1015200;1423602154;mircea_popescu;!up beetcoin
1015201;1423602159;beetcoin;Thanks.
1015202;1423602177;mircea_popescu;nubbins` slow peers nbot even it. out of order block peers much worse.
1015203;1423602183;mircea_popescu;you end up throwingaway bw.
1015204;1423602188;beetcoin;I'm curious about the general sentiment around here that says bitcoin should not scale. That it is not for "the common man".
1015205;1423602203;beetcoin;not that I necessarily disagree,
1015206;1423602207;mircea_popescu;you should prolly read the logs eh.
1015207;1423602210;nubbins`;beetcoin, you'll remain curious for a while
1015208;1423602214;nubbins`;perhaps the forseeable future
1015209;1423602237;ben_vulpes;"should not scale" << heh.
1015210;1423602241;ben_vulpes;such unexamined assumptions.
1015211;1423602263;beetcoin;maybe those aren't the best words
1015212;1423602285;beetcoin;I have read some of the logs, but it is rather a lot to read
1015213;1423602306;asciilifeform;i was specifically thinking about the out-of-order crapolade.
1015214;1423602329;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform problem is that if you penalize nodes for misbehaving thus, you'll just in practice randomly cut them off. as thery all do.
1015215;1423602332;ben_vulpes;beetcoin: one can either read the forums, or the log. not both.
1015216;1423602343;ben_vulpes;reddit, in this case, counts as a forum.
1015217;1423602345;mircea_popescu;now... if OUR node was better, to privilege it would make sense. and itd; be worth WAY more than the five bux or w/e on tap.
1015218;1423602357;nubbins`;ben_vulpes that's like saying one can either read a brief history of time or their cereal box
1015219;1423602369;danielpbarron;ben_vulpes, heh yeah at least log.b-a is finite; can't that /that/ long to read
1015220;1423602405;ben_vulpes;nubbins`: more like "collected works of mark twain"
1015221;1423602414;mircea_popescu;one million lines is it ? should be about a year, for someone that is professionally qualified to read.
1015222;1423602418;nubbins`;man's still gotta eat brekkies 8)
1015223;1423602433;danielpbarron;whereas reddit et al. is a bottomless pit of idiocy
1015224;1423602453;mircea_popescu;danielpbarron nobody ever read all of reddit. so it's okay : failure by design.
1015225;1423602506;beetcoin;what role should bitcoin play then?
1015226;1423602517;danielpbarron;what role does gravity play?
1015227;1423602537;beetcoin;well, i realize bitcoin is not a sentient 'actor'
1015228;1423602552;beetcoin;but humans can't really change gravity
1015229;1423602557;ben_vulpes;beetcoin: what, is an uninterdictable store of value not enough for you?!
1015230;1423602557;danielpbarron;exactly
1015231;1423602577;beetcoin;it's good enough
1015232;1423602591;ben_vulpes;what could be more awesome than the knowledge that the system will have 21M coins...FOREVER?
1015233;1423602595;ben_vulpes;it ain't broke
1015234;1423602599;ben_vulpes;don't fuck with it.
1015235;1423602633;mircea_popescu;<beetcoin> but humans can't really change gravity << or bitcoin.
1015236;1423602649;mircea_popescu;that's the principal point here. it's not a "technology". it's not an invention. bitcoin is a discovery.
1015237;1423602664;beetcoin;bitcoin has changed somewhat since its invention though
1015238;1423602665;mircea_popescu;it was always there, and it'll hit you over the head until you die if you cross it.
1015239;1423602670;mircea_popescu;for ANY value of you.
1015240;1423602682;mircea_popescu;i just said it wasn't invented lol.
1015241;1423602700;beetcoin;okay, so it has changed since its discovery
1015242;1423602710;mircea_popescu;notrly.
1015243;1423602743;beetcoin;fundamentally, it hasn't
1015244;1423602784;beetcoin;but a number of forks have occurred
1015245;1423602793;mircea_popescu;you might need to go do some reading.
1015246;1423602825;mircea_popescu;if you mean the unintentional power ranger fuckup of 2013, that fork was killed.
1015247;1423602832;danielpbarron;one could make the argument that bitcoin wasn't really discovered until you could use it on MPEx, and since then it hasn't changed
1015248;1423602839;mircea_popescu;we are still on the OLD chain, we didn't move to the new one that emerged then.
1015249;1423602844;ben_vulpes;beetcoin: the last time gavin tried to change bitcoin in one of these "fundamental" ways, he burned a lot of capital fixing all of the idiots bitcoinds who went with him.
1015250;1423602847;mircea_popescu;in spite of it having been - temporarily - longer.
1015251;1423602847;BingoBoingo;https://twitter.com/mwlauthor/status/565196442789507072
1015252;1423602849;assbot;"Custom crypto-cracking hardware is pricey & rare, but your local tool store has cheap human-cracking hardware." /hashtag/tsmastery?src=hash
1015253;1423602876;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes ever wonder how he could afford that /
1015254;1423602880;beetcoin;a fork is not impossible in principle
1015255;1423602890;mircea_popescu;one year you throw away k's of btc, the next year you need foundation salary for 10s of btc ?
1015256;1423602891;beetcoin;if enough people wanted to, it could happen
1015257;1423602893;ben_vulpes;in practice, however.
1015258;1423602896;mircea_popescu;beetcoin and you know this how ?
1015259;1423602901;ben_vulpes;beetcoin: not "enough" people.
1015260;1423602901;mircea_popescu;bitcoin is not a democracy
1015261;1423602904;ben_vulpes;the right people.
1015262;1423602918;mircea_popescu;what "enough people" want and five dollars in cointips buys them a cup of coffee.
1015263;1423602963;beetcoin;bitcoin is not a democracy? what is it then? an oligarchy?
1015264;1423602977;mircea_popescu;its a rule of the universe.
1015265;1423602992;beetcoin;it just does what it wants then
1015266;1423602996;mircea_popescu;quite.
1015267;1423603022;danielpbarron;man the redditards have amnesia i guess; they used to use the honeybadger example of "bitcoin don't give a bit!"
1015268;1423603026;ben_vulpes;Starsoccer: you're joining and cloaking in the wrong order.
1015269;1423603055;mircea_popescu;danielpbarron this was back when reddit mostly consisted of people who had bitcoins.
1015270;1423603071;mircea_popescu;they either gotr scammed and sold out as the price went up, because they couldn't justifyably keep those hjoldings
1015271;1423603083;mircea_popescu;now it's mostly people who don't have bitcoin, and desperately wish to be told "that's okay".
1015272;1423603090;mircea_popescu;so... new set of memes for the new set of retards.
1015273;1423603165;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: simple experiment shows that penalizing nodes sending out-of-order blocks - does very little. as pointed out. what we want is to 'embrace & extend' the block sync process in the sense of preferring friendly nodes for sync.
1015274;1423603185;asciilifeform;those being ours.
1015275;1423603222;mircea_popescu;only if we can make our nodes give out blocks in order.
1015276;1423603227;mircea_popescu;otherwise pointless.
1015277;1423603230;asciilifeform;well yes.
1015278;1423603270;mircea_popescu;right.
1015279;1423603298;asciilifeform;any of you try 'micro-ecc' yet ?
1015280;1423603411;[]bot;Bet placed: 1 BTC for No on "BTC to top $450 before 31st Mar" http://bitbet.us/bet/1113/ Odds: 12(Y):88(N) by coin, 13(Y):87(N) by weight. Total bet: 6.8963 BTC. Current weight: 75,226.
1015281;1423603438;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 48540 @ 0.00041332 = 20.0626 BTC [-] {2} 
1015282;1423603475;asciilifeform;punkman ? ben_vulpes ?
1015283;1423603804;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28500 @ 0.00041267 = 11.7611 BTC [-]
1015284;1423604267;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: http://qntra.net/2015/02/dc-court-of-appeal-upholds-redaction-of-protocol-to-shutdown-wireless-networks/
1015285;1423604268;assbot;DC Court of Appeal Upholds Redaction of Protocol to Shutdown Wireless Networks | Qntra.net ... ( http://bit.ly/1z5szey )
1015286;1423604321;scoopbot;New post on Qntra.net by Bingo Boingo: http://qntra.net/2015/02/dc-court-of-appeal-upholds-redaction-of-protocol-to-shutdown-wireless-networks/
1015287;1423604340;mircea_popescu;" two damns on the US-Mexico border" ?
1015288;1423604451;BingoBoingo;fxd, mispelling due to habit
1015289;1423604466;asciilifeform;question for all: has anyone, ever, built netbsd ramdisk on cross-compile build system, or knows of anyone who has done so, or knows so much as a shred of evidence that this has ever worked?
1015290;1423604508;asciilifeform;the published cookbooks, without exception, describe a process which leads nowhere.
1015291;1423604552;asciilifeform;open sores.
1015292;1423604694;mircea_popescu;;;isup http://fetlife.com
1015293;1423604696;assbot;Bondage, BDSM & Fetish Community - FetLife ... ( http://bit.ly/1CRLcZC )
1015294;1423604696;gribble;http://fetlife.com is up
1015295;1423604722;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform i know people who have tried and gave up.
1015296;1423604739;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: Most NetBSD instructions do. Most platforms they support can get some sort of bootable kernel but not much in the way of a useful userland... The Japanese love it because they can say their toilets "run" unix...
1015297;1423604801;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: i've built perfectly usable netbsd boxes previously. but this one -has- to be a cross-compile. and live in ramdisk.
1015298;1423604885;asciilifeform;thing is, netbsd is the one and only path because 1) it builds the toolchain 2) builds a <1MB kernel 3) perfectly set up for a one-executable userland. but (3) refuses to happen so far
1015299;1423604902;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 78019 @ 0.00041104 = 32.0689 BTC [-] {2} 
1015300;1423604964;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 77781 @ 0.00040995 = 31.8863 BTC [-]
1015301;1423605023;asciilifeform;and the frustrating thing is, i have the kernel built. and all standard userland proggys. but ramdisk also needs the /dev and /etc; the former - has to get crapped out of a build script thingie that refuses to grind
1015302;1423605090;nubbins`;lel @ fetlife
1015303;1423605274;mircea_popescu;i thought i broke it.
1015304;1423605320;BingoBoingo;If only you had a Sharp Zaurus to do a native compile
1015305;1423605390;diametric;https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/crystalwash/crystal-wash-20-clean-laundry-with-no-detergents/
1015306;1423605392;assbot;Crystal Wash 2.0: Clean Laundry with No Detergents by Crystal Wash — Kickstarter ... ( http://bit.ly/1z5vm7n )
1015307;1423605399;diametric;magic.
1015308;1423605408;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: zaurus << and a spare century or two
1015309;1423605431;BingoBoingo;Or week...
1015310;1423605445;asciilifeform;kickstarter now lists ~40+ year-old scamatrons...
1015311;1423605518;asciilifeform;not only listed on ks, but 'staff pick'
1015312;1423605573;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 66500 @ 0.00041525 = 27.6141 BTC [+] {3} 
1015313;1423605592;mod6;asciilifeform: MAKEDEV doesn't work?
1015314;1423605637;asciilifeform;mod6: nothing involving netbsd's 'make' - 'nbmake' - works.
1015315;1423605717;BingoBoingo;"Everyone loves Raymond" https://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/emacs-devel/2015-02/msg00457.html
1015316;1423605718;assbot;Defending GCC considered futile ... ( http://bit.ly/1z5wcRI )
1015317;1423605755;asciilifeform;mod6: 'nbmake: no system rules (sys.mk).' in all cases.
1015318;1423605774;asciilifeform;mod6: and yes, the file exists. just isn't seen.
1015319;1423605856;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo this is pretty huge. if you feel like spinning it together with the discussion re symbols a few weeks ago makes a pretty great qntra article. informative and in depth of what matters.
1015320;1423605861;mircea_popescu;want me to find the log ref for you ?
1015321;1423605864;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: is esr posting from a parallel universe where llvm has actual optimizations ?
1015322;1423605889;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform esr is posting from an universe where apple has ambitions.
1015323;1423605898;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: i can only conclude that he is an apple/usg shill.
1015324;1423605906;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: I've waken today to a rather full plate, maybe someone else wants.
1015325;1423605908;mircea_popescu;as the expression goes, "it could buy all of russia!"
1015326;1423605919;mircea_popescu;it can't actually do THAT, but some other things it can buy
1015327;1423605929;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: Best I can tell as always ESR simply thinks he can avoid starvation
1015328;1423605976;mod6;asciilifeform: are you building from the tooldir? or added it to your path? https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/minix3/slkHJV1SXW4
1015329;1423605977;assbot;Google Groups ... ( http://bit.ly/1z5wW9j )
1015330;1423605984;mod6;not sure if that helps at all.
1015331;1423605991;asciilifeform;'TL;DR: You can't beat clang. Join it.' << this idiot has long avoided his correct place - in pederasty and by the latrine corner.
1015332;1423605999;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform "compiler technology has advanced significantly in ways that GCC is not well positioned to exploit. " any clue what this specifically means ?
1015333;1423606026;asciilifeform;mod6: yes, it is set to the path that the 'tools' build.sh process spits out.
1015334;1423606039;mod6;hmm.
1015335;1423606048;BingoBoingo;<mircea_popescu> asciilifeform "compiler technology has advanced significantly in ways that GCC is not well positioned to exploit. " any clue what this specifically means ? << Probably FreeBSD 10 generally slower than 9 because clang/LLVM
1015336;1423606074;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: the llvm thing, prior to career as apple crud, had a previous life as a darling plaything of u.s. 'comp sci' academitardia
1015337;1423606123;assbot;[MPEX] [FT] [X.EUR] 475 @ 0.00505845 = 2.4028 BTC [-] {3} 
1015338;1423606182;asciilifeform;for folks unfamiliar with esr, he has always been an unabashed barnacle who clung to whatever he saw as 'winning' at the moment. so usg did not have to break his kneecaps. he knew exactly when to bend over and lube up.
1015339;1423606421;asciilifeform;gcc is a natural target, as one of the last remaining total bastions agains poetteringization and 'modern advances,' 'pr0gr3ss!111!1111!,' etc.
1015340;1423606493;asciilifeform;the ancient, gnarly code, the caretakers - few in number, mostly know one another; the infrequent patches - not an especially shitgnome-friendly environment.
1015341;1423606574;asciilifeform;thus it will be attacked in every available way. the 'consensus' of 'the community' and 'how the world works' will stand as a solid wall against the 'obsolete, white male privileged' gcc.
1015342;1423607342;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 121600 @ 0.00041578 = 50.5588 BTC [+] {4} 
1015343;1423607462;[]bot;Bet placed: 10 BTC for No on "The Winkdex: BTC $5000 or more in 2015" http://bitbet.us/bet/1104/ Odds: 15(Y):85(N) by coin, 15(Y):85(N) by weight. Total bet: 65.923 BTC. Current weight: 91,565.
1015344;1423607464;[]bot;Bet placed: 2 BTC for No on "Light Sweet Crude Oil (WTI) to drop under $40 before Mar 2015" http://bitbet.us/bet/1096/ Odds: 14(Y):86(N) by coin, 24(Y):76(N) by weight. Total bet: 11.10433047 BTC. Current weight: 17,101.
1015345;1423607517;asciilifeform;can anyone here shed any light on the question of how netbsd's 'nbmake' finds its global config, 'sys.mk' ? the docs are silent. and no, it doesn't look in its install dir.
1015346;1423607633;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo http://dpaste.com/1D045X0
1015347;1423607634;assbot;dpaste: 1D045X0 ... ( http://bit.ly/1z5Ax7k )
1015348;1423607654;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform i think you;ll enjoy my write-up, if it gets picked up :D
1015349;1423607694;scoopbot;New post on Qntra.net by Bingo Boingo: http://qntra.net/2015/02/jeb-bush-document-dump-identity-theft-risk/
1015350;1423607722;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform yes, exactly. the problem is that they (unknowingly) approximate the wot
1015351;1423607765;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform $home ? "D
1015352;1423607805;asciilifeform;let's do a 'trichotomy' on the netbsd thing. as far as i can see, there are three and only three possibilities in a case like this (i am deliberately not including the forth, of my being a muppet.) 1) whole orchestra -never- worked 2) once worked, but a sniveling shitgnome fucked with the docs 3) docs were once correct and described a working sys, but a sniveling shitgnome changed the code 'because pr0gr3ss'
1015353;1423607855;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: nope. this is a cross-compile and uses 'TOOLDIR' var.
1015354;1423607867;mircea_popescu;o righjt
1015355;1423608134;mircea_popescu;"Licenses and "control" have absolutely nothing to do with it. Stefan" :D
1015356;1423608157;mircea_popescu;oh, some holdouts still don't wish to trade power for the fetish of power ? pretend like power doesn't even exist anymore!
1015357;1423608164;asciilifeform;wat
1015358;1423608218;mircea_popescu;https://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/emacs-devel/2015-02/msg00472.html
1015359;1423608219;assbot;Re: Defending GCC considered futile ... ( http://bit.ly/1z5BRao )
1015360;1423608289;mircea_popescu;probably more notable, https://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/emacs-devel/2015-02/msg00498.html
1015361;1423608290;assbot;Re: Defending GCC considered futile ... ( http://bit.ly/1z5C1P4 )
1015362;1423608302;mircea_popescu;"As mentioned earlier, in any case I will happily accept and install LLDB support into gud.el.  So as long as I'm Emacs maintainer, your opinion on whether this might ruin the FSF's goals are not relevant."
1015363;1423608320;asciilifeform;mask fell off.
1015364;1423608354;asciilifeform;open challenge to rms? the latter will remove the gnome if he has any balls left
1015365;1423608410;mircea_popescu;he hasnot so far done so.
1015366;1423608502;mircea_popescu;https://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/emacs-devel/2015-02/msg00598.html << best irony award
1015367;1423608503;assbot;Re: Defending GCC considered futile ... ( http://bit.ly/1z5CyQZ )
1015368;1423608628;mircea_popescu;what shocks me is the extreme structural coherence of the red herrings deployed.
1015369;1423608646;mircea_popescu;metzger could be that blind schmuck in systemd could be gavin etc.
1015370;1423608648;asciilifeform;almost like there's a script, aha.
1015371;1423608660;scoopbot;New post on Qntra.net by Mircea Popescu: http://qntra.net/2015/02/a-discussion-of-military-strategy-in-the-21st-century/
1015372;1423609476;Naphex;mircea_popescu: lmao http://image.stirileprotv.ro/media/images/620xX/Feb2015/61633021.jpg :D
1015373;1423609477;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1z5EMjk )
1015374;1423609506;mircea_popescu;aha ?
1015375;1423609573;hanbot;bingoboingo "pretty patters" > patterns
1015376;1423609620;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: Did you mean to say patterns or patters
1015377;1423609662;BingoBoingo;With your acid rain metaphore
1015378;1423609674;mircea_popescu;patterns
1015379;1423609696;mircea_popescu;odd how that ~degraded~ gracefully huh
1015380;1423609718;asciilifeform;anyone with ideas re: resolving the 'sys.mk' retardation, speak.
1015381;1423609747;asciilifeform;netbsd or minix are afaik the only practical paths towards a 100% crud-free node box.
1015382;1423609748;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform management sez take a break you're chewing the scenery.
1015383;1423609749;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: Mailing list?
1015384;1423609769;mircea_popescu;btw re ers : i'm not so sure about all that barnacle. isn't the guy a major libertarian ?
1015385;1423609804;asciilifeform;and while i could, with some effort, shoehorn bitcoind into one of the still-produced alternatives for 'pogo' - all of which have no more than 32M of ram - it presumes something other than the mega-turd that linux kernel is.
1015386;1423609840;asciilifeform;i'm taking a forced break, simply have no time presently
1015387;1423609878;BingoBoingo;http://geekz.co.uk/lovesraymond/archives
1015388;1423609878;assbot;Everybody loves Eric Raymond ... ( http://bit.ly/1z5FIEk )
1015389;1423609896;asciilifeform;and yes, esr was a barnacle on 'foss' from day one. authored inconsequential crap, claiming to be 'contributor'; attached his name to 'jargon file' historical book, having added various bogus entries; etc
1015390;1423609900;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: ESR professes as to be such
1015391;1423609935;mircea_popescu;isn't he the guy with the catedral anbd bazaar book ?
1015392;1423609958;asciilifeform;yes, him
1015393;1423609976;BingoBoingo;http://geekz.co.uk/lovesraymond/archive/deb-ian << Particularly related
1015394;1423609977;assbot;Everybody loves Eric Raymond » Deb-Ian ... ( http://bit.ly/1z5FUDw )
1015395;1423610085;danielpbarron;asciilifeform, what about gentoo on the pogo?
1015396;1423610108;asciilifeform;danielpbarron: linux kernel and minimal userland are massive compared to netbsd
1015397;1423610127;danielpbarron;those can't be stored on /dev/sda1 ?
1015398;1423610130;asciilifeform;danielpbarron: the latter is almost -readable- in length
1015399;1423610187;asciilifeform;danielpbarron: those can't be stored on /dev/sda1 << absolutely not. node must be self-contained and able to format a brand-new disk entirely on its own, when plugged in.
1015400;1423610200;danielpbarron;ohh..
1015401;1423610210;danielpbarron;right :/
1015402;1423610236;asciilifeform;danielpbarron: 128M of eeprom are more than enough to store whatever you want, but these things eat up ram footprint (both by themselves and when read-cached)
1015403;1423610265;danielpbarron;is there a way to modify the linux that comes with the pogo?
1015404;1423610268;danielpbarron;i have its source
1015405;1423610276;asciilifeform;danielpbarron: but try to understand a more fundamental principle here. eventually this needs to turn into a system with -no- extraneous parts. as in, i take a stick and point to a byte, and you are able to tell me why it is there.
1015406;1423610311;asciilifeform;danielpbarron: i have not been able to build the linux that comes with pogo. the included patches do not apply cleanly.
1015407;1423610321;danielpbarron;i haven't tried it yet
1015408;1423610345;asciilifeform;danielpbarron: in essence, like most supposedly 'gpl compliant' commercial products, the compliance is a total and unabashed crock of shit.
1015409;1423610391;danielpbarron;so it's not just me; this stuff is just very frustrating
1015410;1423610421;asciilifeform;danielpbarron: linux 2.6.x kernel is a mega-turd. and while there remains a single line therein which does not execute during the normal operation of bitcoind-on-pogo, i will maintain that this is true.
1015411;1423610468;danielpbarron;i like your high standards :D
1015412;1423610478;danielpbarron;i so wish that programmer castle school existed
1015413;1423610500;asciilifeform;danielpbarron: and there is no practical way to separate the 'flies from the cutlets' here. who here has even 'tried' building a lin. kernel with -not one- driver for hardware you don't have or want?
1015414;1423610552;asciilifeform;it certainly cannot be accomplished by twiddling the usual config. there is crud in there by the megatonne, glued in with glass.
1015415;1423610680;mircea_popescu;<asciilifeform> danielpbarron: in essence, like most supposedly 'gpl compliant' commercial products, the compliance is a total and unabashed crock of shit. <<< funny how much stock rms puts in the nude declaration, huh.
1015416;1423610697;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 53450 @ 0.00041405 = 22.131 BTC [-]
1015417;1423610731;danielpbarron;well i would still like to put gentoo on my pogo inplace of arch, even if it is not the final solution
1015418;1423610751;asciilifeform;and before anyone asks, no, you can't automagically strip the crapolade away with a profiler. certain routines are quite legitimately there but are traversed infrequently (say, only when shutting down, or if disk is full, or a cable is unplugged, nuclear war has been declared, and so on.)
1015419;1423610887;asciilifeform;danielpbarron: not so simple (doable, though) - it has to run from rom. you almost certainly must use 'buildroot.' i have a 'buildroot' config that grinds out a kernel and a userland, but said kernel fails to boot and produces no output to /dev/ttyS0 - despite being configured to do so. evidently the support for Marvell chips in the mainline 3.xx kernels is bogus.
1015420;1423610935;*;danielpbarron sighs
1015421;1423610956;asciilifeform;shitgnomes lie, lie, but that would be inconsequential if the lies did not also take the form of bogus code that supposedly functions, but go and try to replicate. not one thing in ten works as described or to spec.
1015422;1423610993;mircea_popescu;one of the best parts of living in argentina ? you can have email exchanges with "don Pablo Picasso". literally.
1015423;1423611621;scoopbot;New post on Qntra.net by cazalla: http://qntra.net/2015/02/coinbase-to-shut-down-tipping-button/
1015424;1423612595;cazalla;sounds reasonable eh "HSBC's economist Paul Bloxham reports average house prices are up 23 per cent in the last 2� years and a whopping 33 per cent in Sydney, citing figures from RP Data CoreLogic."
1015425;1423612663;cazalla;at this rate, housing might outpace gavin's blocksize roadmap
1015426;1423612912;thestringpuller;;;seen Pierre_Rochard
1015427;1423612913;gribble;Pierre_Rochard was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 2 weeks, 2 days, 21 hours, 16 minutes, and 34 seconds ago: <Pierre_Rochard> ;;gettrust buttonwood_
1015428;1423613497;thestringpuller;"It's 6 GB per block, meaning it would grow by 864 GB a day. In 2035, that might not be much." << LOL
1015429;1423614601;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10686 @ 0.00041405 = 4.4245 BTC [-]
1015430;1423614967;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14538 @ 0.00041405 = 6.0195 BTC [-]
1015431;1423615638;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6462 @ 0.00041741 = 2.6973 BTC [+]
1015432;1423615922;cazalla;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rKREzgzH1BY&feature=youtu.be&t=11m52s
1015433;1423615924;assbot;ZapChain Interview with Charlie Lee, Creator of Litecoin, and Engineering Manager at Coinbase - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1AiTtUr )
1015434;1423616451;decimation;"Walkley writes that his assessment of vendor data in smartphones suggests Apple, whose shares he rates a Buy, captured 93% of industry profits in Q4." << why are all of apple's competitors in the 'mobile market' simply trying to imitate apple?
1015435;1423616464;decimation;obviously they suck at being apple, why not try something new?
1015436;1423616526;decimation;asciilifeform: which robot vacuum doesn't work on the random walk?
1015437;1423617189;mircea_popescu;because nobody got fired for being lame ?
1015438;1423617212;mircea_popescu;cazalla anything good ?
1015439;1423617272;cazalla;mircea_popescu, it's just coblee saying "a lot of the stuff we do at coinbase, we don't really think through"
1015440;1423617290;mircea_popescu;lol k
1015441;1423617396;decimation;because nobody got fired for being lame ? << yeah right up there with 'nobody got fired for buying ibm'
1015442;1423617439;mircea_popescu;dsame difference.
1015443;1423617493;decimation;!up pete_dus_
1015444;1423617508;cazalla;pete_dushenski, you canadians are crazy, if it's not kidnappings, it's driving cars into court houses and now.. bomb threats for btc lol
1015445;1423617513;pete_dus_;thanks decimation
1015446;1423617532;pete_dus_;cazalla lol i missed the bomb threats!
1015447;1423617538;cazalla;it'll be up on qntra soon
1015448;1423617546;pete_dus_;http://www.contravex.com/2015/02/11/the-economics-of-sinking-20-mb-gavincoin-blocks/
1015449;1423617547;assbot;The economics of sinking 20 MB Gavincoin blocks. | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski ... ( http://bit.ly/1Fwf7Vf )
1015450;1423617561;pete_dus_;cazalla eh you guys have been busy today
1015451;1423617774;TheNewDeal;20MB tomorrow, 20GB next year
1015452;1423617834;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19650 @ 0.00041405 = 8.1361 BTC [-]
1015453;1423617932;pete_dus_;"mebbe if the price won't go to the moon, block size can!"
1015454;1423617949;pete_dus_;"something needs to increase because we're poor!"
1015455;1423617955;mircea_popescu;hey who ate pete's enski
1015456;1423617966;pete_dus_;i ate my own enski...
1015457;1423617971;mircea_popescu;lol
1015458;1423617980;hanbot;BingoBoingo "security-anihilating bugs on a yearly basis" > how about annihilating, then?
1015459;1423618002;pete_dus_;i'll throw it back up later
1015460;1423618016;pete_dus_;penguin styles
1015461;1423618091;BingoBoingo;hanbot: fxd
1015462;1423618108;mircea_popescu;im off. take it easy all
1015463;1423618130;decimation;asciilifeform: http://dcist.com/2015/02/largest_flyover_in_dc_history.php << apparently on 8 May there is going to be a massive WWII aircraft flyover over the dc mall
1015464;1423618131;assbot;One of The Largest Flyovers In D.C. History To Take Place In May: DCist ... ( http://bit.ly/1Fwh0RQ )
1015465;1423618243;decimation;apparently no soviet, japanese, or german aircraft though
1015466;1423618353;TheNewDeal;Not any planned soviet,japanese, or luftwaffe that is
1015467;1423618367;decimation;hehe
1015468;1423618576;TheNewDeal;;;Nethash
1015469;1423618577;gribble;322519858.468
1015470;1423618735;pete_dus_;;;later tell mircea_popescu "the -EV human quicly collapse towards zero." << quickly
1015471;1423618735;gribble;The operation succeeded.
1015472;1423618735;thestringpuller;pete_dus_ has a new nickname
1015473;1423618736;thestringpuller;lol
1015474;1423618756;thestringpuller;lil' dus
1015475;1423618759;pete_dus_;but for a moment
1015476;1423618775;pete_dus_;i'll be big someday and then you'll be sorry!
1015477;1423618783;thestringpuller;mircea popescu from this day forward
1015478;1423618784;thestringpuller;you will also be known as
1015479;1423618785;TheNewDeal;Big_dus
1015480;1423618787;thestringpuller;E-ratic Wanderer
1015481;1423618792;thestringpuller;http://www.mess.be/inickgenwuname.php
1015482;1423618820;thestringpuller;pete dushenski from this day forward you will also be known as:
1015483;1423618822;thestringpuller;Tha Professional
1015484;1423618832;pete_dus_;sounds so... serious
1015485;1423618874;TheNewDeal;Biggest Dus in the Universe
1015486;1423618895;thestringpuller;should get some wu tang name generator integration with da bots
1015487;1423618965;TheNewDeal;!Up bingoboingo
1015488;1423619054;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 59200 @ 0.00041677 = 24.6728 BTC [+] {3} 
1015489;1423619184;thestringpuller;so pete_dus_ I'm trying to find the Volvo version of Saddam to buy
1015490;1423619187;thestringpuller;shit's hard to find
1015491;1423619198;thestringpuller;Found a volvo 960 but it looks like it was rebuilt
1015492;1423619230;pete_dus_;the right one will come along
1015493;1423619258;pete_dus_;even though she looks to be a rare beast
1015494;1423619287;pete_dus_;ok, 1.5 mn made isn't that rare
1015495;1423619426;scoopbot;New post on Qntra.net by cazalla: http://qntra.net/2015/02/bitcoins-not-bombs-has-a-different-meaning-in-canada/
1015496;1423619721;thestringpuller;yea. just the process of finding the beat is hard despite rarity. car dealings are always sketchy it seems on surface level.
1015497;1423619897;decimation;does the volvo 960 diesel have a diesel engine?
1015498;1423619984;decimation;http://www.statejournal.com/story/25980272/nrao-vehicle-fleet << diesels free of electronics are radio-quiet
1015499;1423619986;assbot;NRAO Vehicle Fleet - Business, Government  Legal News from throughout WV ... ( http://bit.ly/1E5W96I )
1015500;1423620242;thestringpuller;decimation: you talking about the turbo diesal?
1015501;1423620246;thestringpuller;diesel*
1015502;1423620274;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14350 @ 0.00041405 = 5.9416 BTC [-]
1015503;1423620321;thestringpuller;Those things were beasts of a different generation.
1015504;1423620340;cazalla;thestringpuller, mine is Violent Professional.. i like it :)
1015505;1423621982;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12397 @ 0.00041405 = 5.133 BTC [-]
1015506;1423622137;TheNewDeal;Whats the gribble command which gives you the bid ask spread?
1015507;1423622199;TheNewDeal;;;Market all
1015508;1423622199;gribble;Error: The "Market" plugin is loaded, but there is no command named "all" in it.  Try "list Market" to see the commands in the "Market" plugin.
1015509;1423622675;BingoBoingo;;;Market spread
1015510;1423622676;gribble;Error: The "Market" plugin is loaded, but there is no command named "spread" in it.  Try "list Market" to see the commands in the "Market" plugin.
1015511;1423622683;BingoBoingo;;;ticker --market all
1015512;1423622690;gribble;Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 222.66, vol: 8000.07229681 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 219.449, vol: 10904.32522 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 222.71, vol: 31443.94426496 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 222.579025, vol: 135412.11480000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 215.01, vol: 3.2855 | Bitcoin-Central BTCUSD last: 225.324951989, vol: 102.10393921 | Volume-weighted last average: 222.422411331
1015513;1423623117;TheNewDeal;Thank you
1015514;1423623153;TheNewDeal;;;Ticker
1015515;1423623154;gribble;Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 222.74, Best ask: 223.0, Bid-ask spread: 0.26000, Last trade: 222.96, 24 hour volume: 8004.31430320, 24 hour low: 215.0, 24 hour high: 223.43, 24 hour vwap: 219.121262387
1015516;1423623316;TheNewDeal;;;Bids 216.90
1015517;1423623317;gribble;Bitstamp | There are currently 893.13569 bitcoins demanded at or over 216.9 USD, worth 195807.056847 USD in total. | Data vintage: 0.0122 seconds
1015518;1423623379;TheNewDeal;;;baratio
1015519;1423623380;gribble;Bitstamp | Total bids: 3848932 USD. Total asks: 10028 BTC. Ratio: 383.79991 USD/BTC. | Data vintage: 62.8659 seconds
1015520;1423624483;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16100 @ 0.00041405 = 6.6662 BTC [-]
1015521;1423625276;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 4321 @ 0.00082988 = 3.5859 BTC [+] {5} 
1015522;1423625398;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9616 @ 0.00041742 = 4.0139 BTC [+]
1015523;1423625637;danielpbarron;so there is a gavincoin twitter account and it's followed by a co-founder of activision
1015524;1423626108;danielpbarron;!v assbot:danielpbarron.rate.justusranvier.-2:60908b3a5891c5ee52759dcff6a4e3fe099511f500c40082b9f5cef4e5dfa374
1015525;1423626108;assbot;Successfully updated the rating for justusranvier from 1 to -2 with note: blocked me on twitter
1015526;1423626740;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10800 @ 0.00041648 = 4.498 BTC [-]
1015527;1423627167;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19241 @ 0.00041742 = 8.0316 BTC [+]
1015528;1423627228;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4807 @ 0.00041862 = 2.0123 BTC [+]
1015529;1423627594;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18850 @ 0.00041862 = 7.891 BTC [+]
1015530;1423628692;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 42250 @ 0.00041412 = 17.4966 BTC [-] {2} 
1015531;1423629616;ben_vulpes;RATINGS DRAMA WAR
1015532;1423629685;danielpbarron;is that not a good reason to distrust someone?
1015533;1423629744;ben_vulpes;not in my book, no.
1015534;1423629749;ben_vulpes;your wot, your rules.
1015535;1423629756;ben_vulpes;Naphex: uncloaked!
1015536;1423629793;danielpbarron;i wasn't even interacting with him
1015537;1423629825;danielpbarron;i found out i was blocked from reading that PeterTodd thread about the blocksize
1015538;1423629830;ben_vulpes;i mean i go to you later and say "hey whaddaya know about justusranvier, did he run with some coins or something?"
1015539;1423629840;ben_vulpes;you say "nah he blocked me on twitter"
1015540;1423629852;danielpbarron;he is apparently in favor of gavincoin
1015541;1423629860;danielpbarron;that's why he blocked me
1015542;1423629864;ben_vulpes;i'm going to pretty quickly and steeply discount your rating inputs
1015543;1423629873;ben_vulpes;well that's something else entirely now innit?
1015544;1423629877;danielpbarron;so now it's a web of trades again?
1015545;1423629920;ben_vulpes;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-02-2015#1014795 << and in the 40s whole orchestras practiced for 8 hours a day and gigged at the milongas later. tell me this world isn't poorer!
1015546;1423629920;assbot;Logged on 10-02-2015 11:40:01; mircea_popescu: when i was 18, the average 18 yo could support himself.
1015547;1423629946;ben_vulpes;granted, they were supported by the dictator but hey - tango!
1015548;1423630011;ben_vulpes;danielpbarron: just looks like a slapfight from over here is all i'm saying.
1015549;1423630023;ben_vulpes;since when did twitter matter, etc
1015550;1423630053;ben_vulpes;anyways your wot your rules, i'm just ribbing you for apparent triviality.
1015551;1423630053;TheNewDeal;So true
1015552;1423630086;danielpbarron;https://twitter.com/justusranvier/status/565172541258342400
1015553;1423630088;assbot;Nifty paper proving what we knew already: w/o a blocksize limit there's no PoW security -> death of Bitcoin. http://t.co/VPsgVkdzj9
1015554;1423630173;ben_vulpes;has the thing been debunked?
1015555;1423630176;ben_vulpes;i have no clue
1015556;1423630332;ben_vulpes;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-02-2015#1014942 << i found that whole saga endlessly amusing
1015557;1423630332;assbot;Logged on 10-02-2015 16:10:15; nubbins`: maybe a better use of funds than sending hand-printed posters to slum tenants in middle america
1015558;1423630360;ben_vulpes;from the hilariously wacky posters to the20year derping
1015559;1423630445;ben_vulpes;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-02-2015#1015000 << you're the second nerdiest black guy i know
1015560;1423630445;assbot;Logged on 10-02-2015 16:46:25; thestringpuller: ;;google 2nd breakfast tolkien
1015561;1423630455;ben_vulpes;i played dnd with the other one in college
1015562;1423630476;ben_vulpes;he though does good works for ye olde welfare state in mass now
1015563;1423630525;ben_vulpes;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-02-2015#1015042 << neutered combudders and preprogrammed "apps" are devouring the "laptop" market Apple built itself upon.
1015564;1423630525;assbot;Logged on 10-02-2015 17:51:37; thestringpuller: How is Apple making so much money? Does everyone use macs these days?
1015565;1423630571;ben_vulpes;the upside to this is that eventually the laptop market as we know it is going to disappear, and people who actually *use* computers will have to pay 10k each.
1015566;1423630580;ben_vulpes;this is a good thing because there's room in that budget for build quality.
1015567;1423630587;ben_vulpes;1.5k bezzlebucks...just doesn't cut it.
1015568;1423630605;ben_vulpes;the newest macbook air to hit the shop actually arrived with a slower (!) CPU than its predecessor.
1015569;1423630692;ben_vulpes;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-02-2015#1015089 << this. death to magic numbers.
1015570;1423630692;assbot;Logged on 10-02-2015 19:18:23; mircea_popescu: but if it's a serious point of concern, either move the version string in the config file
1015571;1423630807;ben_vulpes;more importantly long life prosperity and lulz to those who stick spokes in mine enemies wheels.
1015572;1423630812;ben_vulpes;and deplete their wallets.
1015573;1423630948;kakobrekla;best laptop is prolly same as best car.
1015574;1423631021;kakobrekla;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=23-01-2015#989461
1015575;1423631021;assbot;Logged on 23-01-2015 21:26:58; asciilifeform: the fastest, thickest, most luxurious car is --- not having to go places.
1015576;1423631441;asciilifeform;kakobrekla is very much right.
1015577;1423631470;asciilifeform;or what was mircea_popescu's point about the best kalash being sitting-far-from-the-war
1015578;1423631474;asciilifeform;or sumthinglikethat
1015579;1423631505;asciilifeform;or one of my grandfathers used to mutter that 'the best fish is sausage'
1015580;1423631544;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: people who actually *use* computers will have to pay 10k each << that's what, a piddling 2-3x what we presently pay ?
1015581;1423631579;*;asciilifeform looks around, quite possibly sees 5 usd digits of computer
1015582;1423631717;ben_vulpes;yeah sure, bump the number up
1015583;1423631733;ben_vulpes;the point is an integer multiple of current costs.
1015584;1423631749;ben_vulpes;be it 5, 10, 20, i don't really care.
1015585;1423631752;asciilifeform;big whoop
1015586;1423631773;asciilifeform;wake me up when it's 100mil and we all have to share an hour of computer at 4am tuesdays
1015587;1423631778;asciilifeform;like in the '60s
1015588;1423631836;ben_vulpes;yup i'm right there with you
1015589;1423631976;asciilifeform;there's room in that budget for build quality << in the bezzle world, this is not what happens;
1015590;1423632001;asciilifeform;i've used $1/2mil instruments that shipped with with a 'dell' box running 'xp home.'
1015591;1423632007;asciilifeform;and other unspeakables on top.
1015592;1423632175;ben_vulpes;i speak of the post-bezzle world.
1015593;1423632182;asciilifeform;to suppose that there is room in bezzle world for build quality is like imagining that there is room in the tardstalk phorum for honesty
1015594;1423632189;asciilifeform;or at 'reddit', for intelligence
1015595;1423632212;BingoBoingo;"Real Computer" when it ships will ship with iPnoHe and Thunderbolt Connector
1015596;1423632225;ben_vulpes;the world wherein mircea_popescu's arranged for not only the rewrite of "gpg" but also "mavlink"
1015597;1423632230;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29159 @ 0.00041581 = 12.1246 BTC [+] {2} 
1015598;1423632474;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22250 @ 0.00041263 = 9.181 BTC [-] {2} 
1015599;1423633572;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11650 @ 0.00041161 = 4.7953 BTC [-] {2} 
1015600;1423633938;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26338 @ 0.00041126 = 10.8318 BTC [-]
1015601;1423635036;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5982 @ 0.00041862 = 2.5042 BTC [+]
1015602;1423636439;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9950 @ 0.00041126 = 4.092 BTC [-]
1015603;1423637593;fluffypony;;;later tell mircea_popescu http://imgur.com/a/goByg
1015604;1423637594;assbot;                    Carturesti Carusel Bookstore Bucharest, Romania - Album on Imgur ... ( http://bit.ly/197ZdWH )
1015605;1423637594;gribble;The operation succeeded.
1015606;1423637903;BingoBoingo;A viewer complained that an episode of the animated children�s series Peppa Pig was inappropriate for an Australian audience because it said that spiders were not to be feared. >> http://about.abc.net.au/complaints/peppa-pig-received/
1015607;1423637905;assbot;Peppa Pig, (received) | About the ABC ... ( http://bit.ly/1viKsEX )
1015608;1423638762;BingoBoingo;!up coventry
1015609;1423639611;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10432 @ 0.00041491 = 4.3283 BTC [+]
1015610;1423639641;cazalla;BingoBoingo, complaint sorta has a point.. http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=31-01-2015#1000521
1015611;1423639641;assbot;Logged on 31-01-2015 22:50:25; cazalla: BingoBoingo, well yeah, missus does a spider check in the kid's play pen each morning.. found 2 spiders to date
1015612;1423639666;cazalla;i fucking hate spiders and there is no worse place for them than down under
1015613;1423639672;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 79468 @ 0.00041126 = 32.682 BTC [-]
1015614;1423639688;BingoBoingo;Kind of an "Only in Australia" problem
1015615;1423639762;cazalla;last thing kids need is a tv show teaching em how to steve irwin emselves
1015616;1423640048;cazalla;btw, i'm am not seriously suggesting it's a legit complaint :)
1015617;1423640065;BingoBoingo;Well to go full steve irwin you need some water.
1015618;1423640137;coventry;Going to sleep now, but I have a question and will check up in the morning: I read the mpex.co FAQ, including #17.  Why would someone pay 30 BTC to participate in this market?
1015619;1423640275;BingoBoingo;coventry: Direct access
1015620;1423640409;danielpbarron;http://bitcoinism.liberty.me/2015/01/21/economic-fallacies-and-the-block-size-limit-part-1-scarcity/
1015621;1423640410;assbot;Economic Fallacies and the Block Size Limit, part 1: Scarcity | Bitcoinism | Liberty.me ... ( http://bit.ly/1DZGW7i )
1015622;1423640831;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18050 @ 0.00041862 = 7.5561 BTC [+]
1015623;1423640941;danielpbarron;"Nobody gives McDonalds a maximum number of Big Macs they are allowed to produce each day �~@~S their customers tell them how many they want to buy and McDonalds responds appropriately."
1015624;1423641319;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9489 @ 0.00041126 = 3.9024 BTC [-]
1015625;1423641826;danielpbarron;requires login to comment so i'll just stick this here: Burger King isn't burdened with having to keep track of all McDonalds orders; this is a misleading comparison to bitcoin
1015626;1423641990;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8428 @ 0.00041862 = 3.5281 BTC [+]
1015627;1423643027;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25700 @ 0.00041675 = 10.7105 BTC [-] {2} 
1015628;1423643515;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5600 @ 0.00041862 = 2.3443 BTC [+]
1015629;1423643942;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17524 @ 0.00041862 = 7.3359 BTC [+]
1015630;1423646504;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26150 @ 0.00041126 = 10.7544 BTC [-]
1015631;1423646712;BingoBoingo;!up bit2017
1015632;1423647236;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20815 @ 0.00041126 = 8.5604 BTC [-]
1015633;1423648057;punkman;http://www.wsj.com/articles/bigfoot-isnt-just-a-mythic-figure-hes-an-investment-opportunity-1421806118
1015634;1423648059;assbot;      Bigfoot Isn’t Just a Mythic Figure, He’s an Investment Opportunity - WSJ     ... ( http://bit.ly/1uDvD4T )
1015635;1423648151;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14165 @ 0.00041862 = 5.9298 BTC [+]
1015636;1423648395;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 69800 @ 0.00041995 = 29.3125 BTC [+] {3} 
1015637;1423648528;fluffypony;http://www.reddit.com/r/IAmA/comments/2vhlbd/i_am_david_boaz_cato_institute_evp_and_author_of/
1015638;1423648530;assbot;I am David Boaz, Cato Institute EVP and author of The Libertarian Mind: A Manifesto for Freedom. AMA! : IAmA ... ( http://bit.ly/1uDxhn0 )
1015639;1423648553;fluffypony;that exchange on the top comment is hilarious: http://www.reddit.com/r/IAmA/comments/2vhlbd/i_am_david_boaz_cato_institute_evp_and_author_of/cohqfzo
1015640;1423648555;assbot;mattayes comments on I am David Boaz, Cato Institute EVP and author of The Libertarian Mind: A Manifesto for Freedom. AMA! ... ( http://bit.ly/1uDxk24 )
1015641;1423648578;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15538 @ 0.00041126 = 6.3902 BTC [-]
1015642;1423649770;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo http://dpaste.com/1FR2A67
1015643;1423649771;assbot;dpaste: 1FR2A67 ... ( http://bit.ly/1zVovA5 )
1015644;1423649776;mircea_popescu;and im making another one.
1015645;1423649805;mircea_popescu;fluffypony what about it ?
1015646;1423650117;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: http://qntra.net/2015/02/there-is-nothing-new-in-the-world-except-for-the-history-you-didnt-know/
1015647;1423650118;assbot;There is nothing new in the world. Except for the history you didn't know. | Qntra.net ... ( http://bit.ly/1zVpkZu )
1015648;1423650126;mircea_popescu;yay!
1015649;1423650135;scoopbot;New post on Qntra.net by Mircea Popescu: http://qntra.net/2015/02/there-is-nothing-new-in-the-world-except-for-the-history-you-didnt-know/
1015650;1423650363;BingoBoingo;!up NewLiberty
1015651;1423650710;NewLiberty;ben_vulpes> has the thing been debunked? ///  That paper is not a good one.  It assumes a model inconsistant with Bitcoin reality.
1015652;1423650835;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 200 @ 0.0055077 = 1.1015 BTC [-] {11} 
1015653;1423651262;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14400 @ 0.00042154 = 6.0702 BTC [+]
1015654;1423651714;scoopbot;New post on Qntra.net by Bingo Boingo: http://qntra.net/2015/02/hsbc-clients-victims-of-probable-social-engineering-attack/
1015655;1423652014;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo http://dpaste.com/0YBSGHP :D
1015656;1423652015;assbot;dpaste: 0YBSGHP ... ( http://bit.ly/16Sy5JQ )
1015657;1423652313;mircea_popescu;!up NewLiberty
1015658;1423652317;mircea_popescu;that was vague.
1015659;1423652439;mircea_popescu;o btw : http://www.wired.com/2011/11/mf_bitcoin/all/
1015660;1423652441;assbot;The Rise and Fall of Bitcoin | WIRED ... ( http://bit.ly/1zKFUfQ )
1015661;1423652529;BingoBoingo;scoopbot -fetch
1015662;1423652611;cazalla;https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=952177 likely bs but interesting
1015663;1423652612;assbot;First ever Dark Leaks auction: I was the lead programmer for Silk Road 2.0. ... ( http://bit.ly/16SzPCX )
1015664;1423652637;mircea_popescu;lol scoopbot on strike
1015665;1423652675;BingoBoingo;http://qntra.net/2015/02/usd-fraud-collapses-suitability-of-usd-for-law-abiding-citizens-in-commerce-questioned/
1015666;1423652675;assbot;USD Fraud Collapses: Suitability of USD for Law Abiding Citizens In Commerce Questioned | Qntra.net ... ( http://bit.ly/16SA0OG )
1015667;1423652738;mircea_popescu;cazalla possibly not bs seeing how it actually provides a valid verification method.
1015668;1423652769;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo btw, i'd like to propose a gentleman's contest, for the "best ever usd will fail" paragraph.
1015669;1423652853;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: The could be a very great or very poor week for that. "infrastructure overhaul"
1015670;1423652861;scoopbot;New post on Qntra.net by Mircea Popescu: http://qntra.net/2015/02/usd-fraud-collapses-suitability-of-usd-for-law-abiding-citizens-in-commerce-questioned/
1015671;1423652877;mircea_popescu;i thought it could run all over 2015.
1015672;1423652896;mircea_popescu;next conference, have a sort of oscars. "best usd will fail paragraph" "best x" etc
1015673;1423652900;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: That could work. What's the stake?
1015674;1423652912;mircea_popescu;being really cool ?
1015675;1423652926;BingoBoingo;Sounds good.
1015676;1423653045;mircea_popescu;i had no idea how much fun being a news contributor actually is :D
1015677;1423653370;BingoBoingo;It's so much fun, until you have to sort through the noiseholes
1015678;1423653433;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo first the pleasure, then the diapers or how did it go.
1015679;1423653445;BingoBoingo;Sounds about right
1015680;1423653515;cazalla;noisehole being eleventy billion hong kong exchange stole 375m articles
1015681;1423653539;mircea_popescu;heh
1015682;1423653548;mircea_popescu;you do it so teh qntra reader doesn't have to!
1015683;1423653702;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20357 @ 0.00042154 = 8.5813 BTC [+]
1015684;1423653759;NewLiberty;DarkLeaks auction: SR 2.0 is one the Feds presumably don't have, yes?  Will they use seized DPR bitcoin to buy it, then correlate with the SR 1.0 dataset they already have?  Oh the drama...
1015685;1423653830;BingoBoingo;NewLiberty: Prolly a honeypot being put up the feds hoping some other Darkmarket operator might be dumb enough to harvest it for leads
1015686;1423653933;NewLiberty;Or harvest it for extortion
1015687;1423653933;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo right. anyone can code, not just anyone can take a list of prosepcts and ferret out the uncle sam agents in there.
1015688;1423653951;mircea_popescu;yet people still imagine that they can make a company out of a magic coder.
1015689;1423654214;chetty;!up NewLiberty
1015690;1423655087;BingoBoingo;!up only
1015691;1423655102;cazalla;"Officers found a hunting knife, a machete, a homemade Islamic State flag and a video recording featuring one of the men referring to committing a terrorist attack on Tuesday." ya hear that, homemade flags get ya arrested down under, best you get yours made in china
1015692;1423655138;cazalla;could've been the video but i'm betting it was the flag
1015693;1423655215;jurov;and put into customs declaration "isis flags. 100% nylon"
1015694;1423655227;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19766 @ 0.00041919 = 8.2857 BTC [-] {2} 
1015695;1423655288;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2834 @ 0.00041134 = 1.1657 BTC [-]
1015696;1423655547;jurov;http://www.reddit.com/r/Buttcoin/comments/2vj079/usd_fraud_collapses_suitability_of_usd_for_law/ i'm curious what will come out of this
1015697;1423655549;assbot;USD Fraud Collapses: Suitability of USD for Law Abiding Citizens In Commerce Questioned : Buttcoin ... ( http://bit.ly/1z7cfK6 )
1015698;1423655697;BingoBoingo;jurov: Hard to say they seem to be on to us https://www.reddit.com/r/Buttcoin/comments/2vhmy2/the_killerifyoudontpay_app_for_bitcoin/cohxlis
1015699;1423655699;assbot;satoshi_pokemoto comments on The killer-if-you-don't-pay app for bitcoin ... ( http://bit.ly/1vEhpkV )
1015700;1423655788;jurov;i know. still think worth trying
1015701;1423655817;Naphex;ben_vulpes: fixed it. thanks for the heads up o/
1015702;1423655854;jurov;https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/2vh1ct/someone_robbed_my_mycelium_wallet_hd_account/
1015703;1423655857;assbot;Someone robbed my Mycelium Wallet HD account. Total loss, ~2 BTC. Details within. : Bitcoin ... ( http://bit.ly/1z7cS6u )
1015704;1423655956;jurov;^ i know dude personally, he's owner of security (not snakeoil) company
1015705;1423656040;cazalla;jurov, there were a couple of those today
1015706;1423656813;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11566 @ 0.00041666 = 4.8191 BTC [+]
1015707;1423657602;BingoBoingo;!up Sosovovo
1015708;1423658399;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5150 @ 0.00041666 = 2.1458 BTC [+]
1015709;1423658521;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2900 @ 0.00041666 = 1.2083 BTC [+]
1015710;1423659197;scoopbot;New post on Qntra.net by Bingo Boingo: http://qntra.net/2015/02/purported-silk-road-2-0-dataset-up-for-auction/
1015711;1423659619;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10317 @ 0.00041821 = 4.3147 BTC [+] {2} 
1015712;1423659802;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10617 @ 0.00042109 = 4.4707 BTC [+]
1015713;1423659863;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14700 @ 0.00042154 = 6.1966 BTC [+]
1015714;1423660046;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19300 @ 0.0004113 = 7.9381 BTC [-] {2} 
1015715;1423660473;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19700 @ 0.0004211 = 8.2957 BTC [+]
1015716;1423661471;BingoBoingo;http://changelog.complete.org/archives/9299-has-modern-linux-lost-its-way-some-thoughts-on-jessie
1015717;1423661473;assbot;  Has modern Linux lost its way?  (Some thoughts on jessie) | The Changelog ... ( http://bit.ly/1AXl6nm )
1015718;1423662364;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8017 @ 0.0004211 = 3.376 BTC [+]
1015719;1423663489;Apocalyptic;"Non systemd users and distros are quickly becoming a threat. The big bucks behind projects like systemd, pulseaudio, ahavi and, most recently, GNOME and KDE where very competent on training some great minds behind software development as puppets for their interests" sums it up pretty well
1015720;1423664797;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 51100 @ 0.0004211 = 21.5182 BTC [+]
1015721;1423665102;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12200 @ 0.00042154 = 5.1428 BTC [+]
1015722;1423665773;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27100 @ 0.00041601 = 11.2739 BTC [-] {3} 
1015723;1423666200;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16605 @ 0.00042154 = 6.9997 BTC [+]
1015724;1423666960;danielpbarron;http://www.mazepath.com/uncleal/obam.gif
1015725;1423666961;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1CV2R2B )
1015726;1423667054;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 57868 @ 0.00041126 = 23.7988 BTC [-]
1015727;1423667373;asciilifeform;;;bc,stats
1015728;1423667377;gribble;Current Blocks: 343017 | Current Difficulty: 4.44554159623438E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 344735 | Next Difficulty In: 1718 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 4 days, 22 hours, 20 minutes, and 0 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 46775625458.9 | Estimated Percent Change: 5.21918
1015729;1423667387;asciilifeform;343017.
1015730;1423667390;asciilifeform;^ it synced.
1015731;1423667407;asciilifeform;danielpbarron:
1015732;1423667409;asciilifeform;!s al schwartz
1015733;1423667410;assbot;15 results for 'al schwartz' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=al+schwartz
1015734;1423667420;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24065 @ 0.000422 = 10.1554 BTC [+] {2} 
1015735;1423667454;thestringpuller;where is the romanian camel dude?
1015736;1423667600;danielpbarron;yay!
1015737;1423668396;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21210 @ 0.0004155 = 8.8128 BTC [-] {2} 
1015738;1423668598;asciilifeform;kakobrekla: can we -please- have non-derperized search in log.bitcoin-assets.com ?
1015739;1423668611;asciilifeform;the 'stemming' thing is retarded
1015740;1423668622;danielpbarron;at least it loads well in lynx
1015741;1423668624;asciilifeform;and prevents me from finding 9 out of 10 things i look for
1015742;1423668652;asciilifeform;i'd have no ability to meaningfully search at all if i didn't have raw logs from an actual connected machine
1015743;1423668671;asciilifeform;and i assume that's what everyone else is doing to avoid using the retarded search
1015744;1423668678;*;danielpbarron nods
1015745;1423668721;asciilifeform;not only is it retarded, but it is actually very much a symbol of all of the evils we speak of here.
1015746;1423668934;kakobrekla;iirc mp commissioned that search via mthreat - seems the guy is in antarctica now or something, if someone wants to make a new search i can give you access to log api
1015747;1423669029;davout;grep searching is best searching
1015748;1423669128;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24300 @ 0.00041126 = 9.9936 BTC [-]
1015749;1423669148;asciilifeform;man should be ashamed of himself for putting a titanic steaming pile of shit like this in public view.
1015750;1423669616;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17100 @ 0.00042349 = 7.2417 BTC [+]
1015751;1423669907;thestringpuller;i've never seen an angry asciilifeform before
1015752;1423669913;*;thestringpuller observes
1015753;1423669921;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11654 @ 0.00041126 = 4.7928 BTC [-]
1015754;1423669946;asciilifeform;thestringpuller apparently does not read logs
1015755;1423669978;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=08-10-2014#864590
1015756;1423669978;assbot;Logged on 08-10-2014 17:47:47; *: asciilifeform has only a simple four-bit feelings register (sloth, avarice, lust, wrath)
1015757;1423670024;kakobrekla;http://i.imgur.com/s4Ta2iJ.jpg
1015758;1423670024;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/16TvSOn )
1015759;1423670064;thestringpuller;That was in october! My long term memory can't be 100% #b-a logs.
1015760;1423670081;mike_c;that's what search is for :D
1015761;1423670085;asciilifeform;in other news, from the lulzfarms,
1015762;1423670087;asciilifeform;'Based on the public record, the Court finds that the Plaintiffs have failed to establish a sufficient factual basis to find they have standing to sue under the Fourth Amendment regarding the possible interception of their Internet communications. Further, having reviewed the Government Defendants� classified submissions, the Court finds that the Claim must be dismissed because even if Plaintiffs could establish standing, a
1015763;1423670087;asciilifeform;potential Fourth Amendment Claim would have to be dismissed on the basis that any possible defenses would require impermissible disclosure of state secret information.'
1015764;1423670103;thestringpuller;haha mike_c made a funny.
1015765;1423670118;asciilifeform;(Jewel v. NSA Plaintiff's Summary Judgment Denied. copy at http://cryptome.org/2015/02/jewel-v-nsa-15-0210.pdf )
1015766;1423670120;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/16TwgMO )
1015767;1423670209;asciilifeform;and, skipping straight to the end of the turd,
1015768;1423670211;asciilifeform;'The Court is frustrated by the prospect of deciding the current motions without full public disclosure of the Court�s analysis and reasoning. However, it is a necessary by-product of the types of concerns raised by this case. Although partially not accessible to the Plaintiffs or the public, the record contains the full materials reviewed by the Court. The Court is persuaded that its decision is correct both legally and fac
1015769;1423670211;asciilifeform;tually and furthermore is required by the interests of national security.'
1015770;1423670330;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: ^ for qntra ?
1015771;1423670410;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16000 @ 0.0004256 = 6.8096 BTC [+]
1015772;1423671016;thestringpuller;asciilifeform: searched the logs and can't find what version is running on the pogo :P
1015773;1423671019;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18900 @ 0.00041126 = 7.7728 BTC [-]
1015774;1423671032;asciilifeform;thestringpuller: factory pogo ?
1015775;1423671057;asciilifeform;thestringpuller: http://pogoplug.com/opensource << that one
1015776;1423671059;assbot;Pogoplug: Open Source ... ( http://bit.ly/16TAkwn )
1015777;1423671211;thestringpuller;i meant the ver. of bitcoing running on it
1015778;1423671224;thestringpuller;was it the "portatronic" or what not you mentioned earlier (which I found in the logs)
1015779;1423671253;asciilifeform;thestringpuller: i can't speak for the other folks running pogos, but these are the two builds i was running: http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2015-February/000039.html
1015780;1423671254;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1zLNneS )
1015781;1423671261;asciilifeform;^ how they were produced is discussed therein
1015782;1423671297;asciilifeform;click on the links to previous posts, will find build instructions.
1015783;1423671298;danielpbarron;thestringpuller, http://danielpbarron.com/pogo-build.sh.txt
1015784;1423671299;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1zLNtTL )
1015785;1423671335;thestringpuller;ah everything cross compiled okay not bad
1015786;1423671812;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28000 @ 0.0004256 = 11.9168 BTC [+]
1015787;1423672034;asciilifeform;http://starvingthemonkeys.com << mega-lol
1015788;1423672035;assbot;Starving the Monkeys™ ... ( http://bit.ly/1zLPvmM )
1015789;1423672589;hanbot;asciilifeform> http://starvingthemonkeys.com << mega-lol / what a we-evil
1015790;1423672591;assbot;Starving the Monkeys™ ... ( http://bit.ly/1zLR83V )
1015791;1423674454;ben_vulpes;<thestringpuller> [] That was in october! My long term memory can't be 100% #b-a logs. << pothead :P
1015792;1423674661;thestringpuller;:(
1015793;1423674669;thestringpuller;no need to be a bully
1015794;1423674992;hanbot;i think a bully does chamberpothead, rather.
1015795;1423675426;thestringpuller;what is a chamberpothead?
1015796;1423675669;mod6;chamberpot(head);
1015797;1423675681;mod6;flush();
1015798;1423676023;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17054 @ 0.00041176 = 7.0222 BTC [-]
1015799;1423676035;ben_vulpes;what would it take to make a computer of the complexity of an amiga today?
1015800;1423676048;ben_vulpes;i went to sleep mourning the computers my children seem doomed to use.
1015801;1423676072;thestringpuller;mod6: so we are back in high school?
1015802;1423676242;hanbot;you know, chamberpot swirlies.
1015803;1423676281;hanbot;mod6 gets the obscure references prize. clearly he is the best qualified here to be digging through the bitcoind
1015804;1423676379;mod6;:]
1015805;1423676418;thestringpuller;Lol hanbot I got it, just didn't know this was the 90's high school mod6 attended :P
1015806;1423676427;thestringpuller;Thought it was all about cyberbullying now :P
1015807;1423676526;hanbot;join the new Cyber School! Learn to cyber like a pro!
1015808;1423676753;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26971 @ 0.00041558 = 11.2086 BTC [+] {2} 
1015809;1423676788;hanbot;http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/2vjzk7/gavin_and_the_cia/ << reddit suppression brigade hard at work. cause keeping the sheep in the dark is a winning strat now.
1015810;1423676790;assbot;Gavin and the CIA : Bitcoin ... ( http://bit.ly/199F2rl )
1015811;1423677302;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14278 @ 0.00041597 = 5.9392 BTC [+]
1015812;1423677308;mod6;hanbot: haha
1015813;1423677324;punkman;!up coiner
1015814;1423677349;punkman;looks like you are getting ddos'd
1015815;1423677363;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8392 @ 0.00041597 = 3.4908 BTC [+]
1015816;1423677729;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7250 @ 0.00041597 = 3.0158 BTC [+]
1015817;1423678058;mircea_popescu;jurov:  i'm curious what will come out of this << lol the defense mechanisms of these people.
1015818;1423678156;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15100 @ 0.00041126 = 6.21 BTC [-]
1015819;1423678157;mircea_popescu;"I don't know what to think, really. I have AppOps active on my phone, apps are forced to request access to whatever resource they want to use... clearly none of my security measures helped."
1015820;1423678165;mircea_popescu;heh busting out of appos jail is like... the easiest thing.
1015821;1423678179;mircea_popescu;how about the security measure of DO NOT USE A PROPRIETARY DEVICE.
1015822;1423678278;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9050 @ 0.00041126 = 3.7219 BTC [-]
1015823;1423679559;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20083 @ 0.00041597 = 8.3539 BTC [+]
1015824;1423679582;danielpbarron;!v assbot:danielpbarron.rate.BingoBoingo.3:f897d81412340d00fd94bd16bd7e0a9848c61da2d8e8ce69d467ff19a732aa2f
1015825;1423679582;assbot;Successfully updated the rating for BingoBoingo from 2 to 3 with note: I get along well with this guy; very knowledgeable and serious.
1015826;1423679696;danielpbarron;on a somewhat related note, i like XFCE
1015827;1423681389;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16400 @ 0.00041126 = 6.7447 BTC [-]
1015828;1423681877;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 2570 @ 0.00084848 = 2.1806 BTC [+] {4} 
1015829;1423682792;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7400 @ 0.00041396 = 3.0633 BTC [+]
1015830;1423683280;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6800 @ 0.00041535 = 2.8244 BTC [+] {3} 
1015831;1423684988;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15648 @ 0.00041126 = 6.4354 BTC [-]
1015832;1423685855;mircea_popescu;!up coiner
1015833;1423685899;scoopbot;New post on Trilema by Mircea Popescu: http://trilema.com/2015/latino-perspectives/
1015834;1423685903;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13200 @ 0.00041125 = 5.4285 BTC [-] {2} 
1015835;1423686158;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform> BingoBoingo: ^ for qntra ? << I'll give it a look
1015836;1423686330;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14401 @ 0.00042146 = 6.0694 BTC [+] {2} 
1015837;1423686334;mike_c;kick the doggy:  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M8YjvHYbZ9w
1015838;1423686336;assbot;Introducing Spot - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1z8uu1L )
1015839;1423686356;Naphex;https://twitter.com/XotikaTV
1015840;1423686357;assbot;Xotika.TV (@XotikaTV) | Twitter ... ( http://bit.ly/1z8uyyH )
1015841;1423686957;ben_vulpes;oh man
1015842;1423686960;ben_vulpes;reasonable client is reasonable
1015843;1423686965;ben_vulpes;i love it when that happens
1015844;1423687257;trinque;ben_vulpes: nice when you can interact with an adult
1015845;1423687367;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11035 @ 0.0004256 = 4.6965 BTC [+]
1015846;1423687855;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4393 @ 0.0004256 = 1.8697 BTC [+]
1015847;1423688222;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 42477 @ 0.00041087 = 17.4525 BTC [-] {2} 
1015848;1423688282;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4262 @ 0.00040889 = 1.7427 BTC [-]
1015849;1423689322;BingoBoingo;https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B9T_ejfCIAEAXpY.png
1015850;1423689323;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/19aeYfD )
1015851;1423689340;danielpbarron;!up hegemoOn
1015852;1423689372;hegemoOn;hello
1015853;1423689396;danielpbarron;hi
1015854;1423689423;danielpbarron;i invited hegemoOn from #monero
1015855;1423689454;hegemoOn;thank you danielpbarron
1015856;1423689457;scoopbot;New post on Qntra.net by PeterL: http://qntra.net/2015/02/summary-of-mpex-stocks-funds-january-2015/
1015857;1423689478;danielpbarron;he might be interested in writing for qntra
1015858;1423689575;hegemoOn;i will got a trouble with gribble, i revoked my gpg key not so long ago :)
1015859;1423689578;BingoBoingo;Ah, I read that as Hedgemon at first. Hedgemon is my favorite cock fighting simulator from the late 1990's. Gotta Oppress then All, Hedgemon!.
1015860;1423689625;hegemoOn;BingoBoingo: well use this nick since 1998, short after i read ender's game :)
1015861;1423689669;BingoBoingo;Ah
1015862;1423689716;hegemoOn;At first it was hegemon, but as there wasn't nickserv back in the time on ircnet, a polish guy used to sqat it, so i decided to add an 'O' and since then, never changed back
1015863;1423689776;cazalla;BingoBoingo, black or white edition?
1015864;1423689785;hegemoOn;anyway, what topic are you interested in ?
1015865;1423689804;BingoBoingo;cazalla: lol, satellite states edition
1015866;1423689822;hegemoOn;(i dont think an article about nickname history will interest much people)
1015867;1423689834;BingoBoingo;hegemoOn: Puppies. Or animals with legs too short for their bodies generally.
1015868;1423689917;hegemoOn;well, it's not my domain, will be difficult to fill blank page
1015869;1423689963;trinque;hegemoOn: hey, let the poles be on the giving side of hegemony for once
1015870;1423689968;BingoBoingo;https://i.imgur.com/jSsUj.gif
1015871;1423689970;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1KKjzCM )
1015872;1423690116;hegemoOn;http://imgur.com/gallery/iUt8LCJ
1015873;1423690118;assbot;                                        Kwisatz Caterach - Imgur ... ( http://bit.ly/19agTAX )
1015874;1423690269;danielpbarron;"i am become death...the destroyer of purrs" << LOL
1015875;1423690417;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22170 @ 0.00041219 = 9.1383 BTC [+]
1015876;1423690544;trinque;so another war eh?
1015877;1423690904;thestringpuller;lol everytime I see hegemoney I think of Ender's Game
1015878;1423691027;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3780 @ 0.00041219 = 1.5581 BTC [+]
1015879;1423691515;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11761 @ 0.0004256 = 5.0055 BTC [+]
1015880;1423692140;trinque;who the fuck is at the helm of the usgov
1015881;1423692149;trinque;discerning a coherent strategy is impossible
1015882;1423692167;trinque;the thing must just be rotten throughout and falling to corruption on all sides
1015883;1423692173;BingoBoingo;trinque: No one's at the "helm"
1015884;1423692186;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12188 @ 0.0004256 = 5.1872 BTC [+]
1015885;1423692191;trinque;BingoBoingo: doesn't seem at all that there is
1015886;1423692220;trinque;well, someone must be making the decision to shove military bases up russia's ass
1015887;1423692222;BingoBoingo;trinque: They prolly just wedged a stick in there hoping it hold the course
1015888;1423692250;BingoBoingo;Well, where else are military bases going to go?
1015889;1423692262;thestringpuller;;;google site:qntra.net bitreserve
1015890;1423692263;gribble;Bitreserve Holds your Bitcoins as Fiat | Qntra.net: <http://qntra.net/2014/10/bitreserve-holds-your-bitcoins-as-fiat/>; X-BT Exchange Shutting Down | Qntra.net: <http://qntra.net/2014/10/x-bt-exchange-shutting-down/>; BTC Guild Shutting Down, May be Sold | Qntra.net: <http://qntra.net/2014/10/btc-guild-shutting-down-may-be-sold/>
1015891;1423692394;trinque;BingoBoingo: I suppose of the goal is an eventual war
1015892;1423692396;trinque;*if
1015893;1423692446;trinque;this kind of power politics makes very little sense to me
1015894;1423692481;trinque;they must just be convinced that 1) that could *never* happen 2) if it happened we'd win
1015895;1423692525;BingoBoingo;trinque: I dunno. It seems at the moment the most beautiful thing in the world is the constant three way tension between USia, Russia, and Chinasia
1015896;1423692553;trinque;seems one could stage something that'd pit the other two against each other
1015897;1423692557;trinque;or pay someone to pay someone to...
1015898;1423692570;trinque;were I china I'd do precisely that
1015899;1423692593;PeterL;"We've always been at war with Eastasia"
1015900;1423692598;BingoBoingo;Well the important thing is all three are forced by their interests to stay in a constant state of tension
1015901;1423692612;trinque;mindless
1015902;1423692689;PeterL;It's all a ploy to get more tax dollars funneled into the military-industrial complex.
1015903;1423692877;cazalla;https://bitcoinfoundation.org/forum/index.php?/topic/54-my-first-message-to-satoshi/ lol @ USGavin pumping satoshi for his dox straight off the bat
1015904;1423692878;assbot;My first message to Satoshi... - General - Bitcoin Foundation ... ( http://bit.ly/1CisLrQ )
1015905;1423693451;trinque;PeterL: yep that much is clear
1015906;1423693536;trinque;what isn't is why anyone in any position of economic or military power would stand to gain from an irradiated earth
1015907;1423693541;trinque;"NO ONE COULD HAVE FORSEEN!"
1015908;1423693598;PeterL;somebody has to get paid to clean it up...
1015909;1423693622;BingoBoingo;trinque: A more solid gradient of power
1015910;1423693758;trinque;maybe when drunk on that much power the only thing that'll really get you off is risking it all
1015911;1423693865;BingoBoingo;The Enclave and the BoS seemed to do pretty well for a while.
1015912;1423694061;trinque;seems like the modern powerful lack any imagination
1015913;1423694094;trinque;or rather, the ones that do lack real power
1015914;1423694103;trinque;the Elon Musks
1015915;1423694131;trinque;there's a whole universe out there to piss on and claim as one's own
1015916;1423694275;thestringpuller;Elon Musk is a scam!
1015917;1423694297;thestringpuller;Cause he is actually an alien from mars just trying to get home.
1015918;1423694371;trinque;thestringpuller: haha!
1015919;1423694621;BingoBoingo;!up speedracer26
1015920;1423694628;BingoBoingo;!up NewLiberty_
1015921;1423694632;BingoBoingo;!up nubbins`
1015922;1423694719;BingoBoingo;http://internet.gawker.com/the-lesbian-jewish-leftist-conspiracy-tearing-reddit-ap-1684788589/+tcberman
1015923;1423694721;assbot;The Lesbian Jewish Leftist Conspiracy Tearing Reddit Apart, Untangled ... ( http://bit.ly/19arNXx )
1015924;1423694791;PeterL;!up starsoccer
1015925;1423694809;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23550 @ 0.00042493 = 10.0071 BTC [-] {2} 
1015926;1423695066;mike_c;PeterL: "have been released for December" -> January.
1015927;1423695089;PeterL;oops
1015928;1423695091;mike_c;oh, and thanks for the link!
1015929;1423695114;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23950 @ 0.0004256 = 10.1931 BTC [+]
1015930;1423695197;cazalla;not PeterL's fault, i should've caught that but bit too much to drink last night
1015931;1423695234;mike_c;i blame both of you.  thirty lashes.
1015932;1423695305;trinque;BingoBoingo | trinque: A more solid gradient of power << and an invisible dictatorship, seems like
1015933;1423695319;trinque;or will the thing eventually step forward
1015934;1423695326;PeterL;mike_c: i blame both of you.  thirty lashes. << with a wet noodle?
1015935;1423695361;mike_c;whatever you have laying around.  noodles work
1015936;1423695426;thestringpuller;cazalla you said you were givin' up da booze
1015937;1423695433;thestringpuller;got some 'splainin todo
1015938;1423695434;thestringpuller;lol
1015939;1423695485;PeterL;givin' up until tomorrow sort of thing?
1015940;1423695489;mike_c;I feel like Qntra is working.  I haven't had to dirty myself on coindesk in quite awhile
1015941;1423695500;trinque;mike_c: I'm a regular reader lately
1015942;1423695505;trinque;good source of news
1015943;1423695519;mike_c;yeah, cazalla and BingoBoingo are getting it done.
1015944;1423695530;PeterL;the level of competition is not hard to surpass
1015945;1423695547;mike_c;it's not, but previously it wasn't being done.  now it is.  that's nice.
1015946;1423695636;thestringpuller;^- i like this point of view
1015947;1423695643;thestringpuller;spoken like a professor :P
1015948;1423695652;thestringpuller;professor mike_c
1015949;1423695672;cazalla;still lots more to do
1015950;1423695675;mike_c;ugh, god no.  academia and i never got along.
1015951;1423695966;PeterL;;;later tell jurov could you add S.QNTR and F.DERP to http://live.coinbr.com/ ?
1015952;1423695967;assbot;CoinBr Live S.MPOE ... ( http://bit.ly/19avf4o )
1015953;1423695967;gribble;The operation succeeded.
1015954;1423696019;cazalla;thestringpuller, you're so mean :\ i should negrate you for victim blaming, it's not my fault i drink to excess
1015955;1423696045;PeterL;the drink forces its way down your throat?
1015956;1423696187;cazalla;well no but if you can retroactively withdraw your consent and claim rape, why can't i?
1015957;1423696307;thestringpuller;HAHAHAHA
1015958;1423696308;thestringpuller;OMG
1015959;1423696318;thestringpuller;That escalated so quickly
1015960;1423696330;thestringpuller;Fucking water just came out my nose and shit.
1015961;1423696346;PeterL;I'm off to dinner, pot of chili has been simmering all day.
1015962;1423697798;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18350 @ 0.0004258 = 7.8134 BTC [+] {2} 
1015963;1423697981;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5035 @ 0.00042586 = 2.1442 BTC [+]
1015964;1423698290;danielpbarron;!up hegemoOn
1015965;1423698326;danielpbarron;!gettrust assbot hegemoOn
1015966;1423698327;assbot;Trust relationship from user assbot to user hegemoOn: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 1 via 1 connections. | http://w.b-a.link/trust/assbot/hegemoOn | http://w.b-a.link/user/hegemoOn
1015967;1423698341;danielpbarron;you can actually voice yourself thanks to fluffypony
1015968;1423698408;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21678 @ 0.00042586 = 9.2318 BTC [+]
1015969;1423698896;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6986 @ 0.00042586 = 2.9751 BTC [+]
1015970;1423699394;hegemoOn;:)
1015971;1423699397;hegemoOn;ok
1015972;1423699400;hegemoOn;thank you
1015973;1423699424;hegemoOn;well thank to my honesty, when i bought monero from him otc
1015974;1423699664;hegemoOn;im discovering mpex.co and trilema
1015975;1423699684;hegemoOn;i need 30.01btc to continue my discovery :)
1015976;1423699726;danielpbarron;better get to writing
1015977;1423699743;hegemoOn;how much does it pay ? :)
1015978;1423699750;danielpbarron;and reading (the logs)
1015979;1423699789;danielpbarron;1 S.QNTR share per word published, not including blockquotes (or footnotes?)
1015980;1423699834;danielpbarron;it's about 5 USD worth per paragraph at current prices
1015981;1423700177;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 41800 @ 0.00042614 = 17.8127 BTC [+] {3} 
1015982;1423700360;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12457 @ 0.00042661 = 5.3143 BTC [+]
1015983;1423700422;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3143 @ 0.00042701 = 1.3421 BTC [+]
1015984;1423700751;cazalla;hegemoOn, this is what you need to know/do before writing for qntra http://qntra.net/2014/10/write-for-qntra-earn-equity-in-qntra/
1015985;1423700752;assbot;Write For Qntra, Earn Equity In Qntra | Qntra.net ... ( http://bit.ly/1AZC84l )
1015986;1423700784;cazalla;actually, wrong article
1015987;1423700787;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8700 @ 0.00042701 = 3.715 BTC [+]
1015988;1423700804;cazalla;http://qntra.net/about/ second last paragraph
1015989;1423700805;assbot;Page not found | Qntra.net ... ( http://bit.ly/1AZCdEZ )
1015990;1423701275;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13650 @ 0.00042179 = 5.7574 BTC [-] {2} 
1015991;1423701824;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20050 @ 0.00042809 = 8.5832 BTC [+] {2} 
1015992;1423702382;cazalla;but if anyone meets the criteria, there are more than enough bids on s.qntr to make it worth your while, bingoboingo and i can't cover every single one so there is room
1015993;1423702527;TheNewDeal;How does one receive shares sans mpex account?
1015994;1423702604;cazalla;TheNewDeal, coinbr
1015995;1423702626;TheNewDeal;Mmmm gotcha
1015996;1423702711;TheNewDeal;;;bids 216.90
1015997;1423702712;gribble;Bitstamp | There are currently 454.36058 bitcoins demanded at or over 216.9 USD, worth 98962.6777544 USD in total. | Data vintage: 0.0182 seconds
1015998;1423702728;TheNewDeal;;;Ticker
1015999;1423702729;gribble;Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 219.38, Best ask: 219.47, Bid-ask spread: 0.09000, Last trade: 219.47, 24 hour volume: 10130.00972289, 24 hour low: 217.99, 24 hour high: 223.43, 24 hour vwap: 221.18131801
1016000;1423703776;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12247 @ 0.00042932 = 5.2579 BTC [+] {3} 
1016001;1423704325;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14350 @ 0.00042981 = 6.1678 BTC [+]
1016002;1423704780;ben_vulpes;mandarin: quit fucking joining and parting
1016003;1423704789;ben_vulpes;;;later tell mandarin quit fucking joining and parting
1016004;1423704789;gribble;The operation succeeded.
1016005;1423705240;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18700 @ 0.00042981 = 8.0374 BTC [+]
1016006;1423705664;asciilifeform;kakobrekla: how much work to auto-kick join/part sp4mz0rz?
1016007;1423705738;asciilifeform;http://cryptome.org/2015-info/femen-strauss/femen-strauss.htm
1016008;1423705739;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1Ec9Cd9 )
1016009;1423705761;asciilifeform;^ self-explanatory
1016010;1423705889;PeterL;I feel like I need an explanation, wth are they doing?
1016011;1423705913;asciilifeform;*auto-ban
1016012;1423705962;asciilifeform;this is not only annoying but is a ddos vector of a kind.
1016013;1423706031;PeterL;ddos how?
1016014;1423706042;asciilifeform;log bloat
1016015;1423706057;mike_c;so turn off join/part notifications?
1016016;1423706063;asciilifeform;why should i
1016017;1423706089;asciilifeform;'doctor, arm hurts.' 'here, let me saw off'
1016018;1423706100;PeterL;lol
1016019;1423706103;mike_c;'doctor, arm hurts'  'ok, i will build robotic arm for you'
1016020;1423706133;PeterL;add culprits to ignore list?
1016021;1423706142;mike_c;auto-ban seems harsh for something that may not be intentional
1016022;1423706184;asciilifeform;may not be intentional << i might care if it were an actual person
1016023;1423706205;PeterL;but according to gavin, disk space doubles every year, so you should not worry about bloat!!!1!
1016024;1423706220;mike_c;if assbot autobans though, it may be actual person next time
1016025;1423706222;asciilifeform;as it is, it's one of the silent remoras that may just as well be the ddosbot
1016026;1423706225;danielpbarron;it's the same message over and over so it should compress well :p
1016027;1423706254;mike_c;but, i am biased as i have join/part turned off.
1016028;1423706257;danielpbarron;hey that was a different quit message; i think he got the message
1016029;1423706331;PeterL;does log bloat count as ddos? it is not really denying you services?
1016030;1423706405;danielpbarron;if my hard drive gets full it does
1016031;1423706419;asciilifeform;PeterL: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=10-02-2015#1014281
1016032;1423706419;assbot;Logged on 10-02-2015 02:58:05; asciilifeform: mircea_popescu, BingoBoingo, cazalla, other writery folks: anybody up for writing a basic likbez for the 'unified theory' of amplification attack as it applies not only to boring ddos but to gavincoin and in general to any system where some bozo can inflict cost C on you by spending c where c < C
1016033;1423706438;asciilifeform;^ mircea_popescu thought that this was obvious and doesn't need a likbez. turns out he was wrong ?
1016034;1423706461;asciilifeform;PeterL: ddos vectors are about potentials.
1016035;1423706489;PeterL;I guess it would be different with a concered attack rather than one idiot with a bad connection
1016036;1423706509;PeterL;s/concered/concerted
1016037;1423706515;asciilifeform;idiot with bad connection gives ideas to malicious idiots with many good connections.
1016038;1423706586;PeterL;so you are suggesting putting in a join/part cap autoban now, to stop potental attacks in the future?
1016039;1423706603;asciilifeform;just putting the concept on kako's radar.
1016040;1423706618;asciilifeform;(assuming it wasn't already somewhere down on the list)
1016041;1423706622;danielpbarron;maybe a command similar to !down that requires a few people to initiate
1016042;1423706656;PeterL;!kick ?
1016043;1423706674;asciilifeform;PeterL: idiot can rejoin after kick
1016044;1423706681;asciilifeform;has to be a ban
1016045;1423706689;danielpbarron;or maybe the reverse; assbot autobans, and if it was a mistake someone can !unban
1016046;1423706698;asciilifeform;^
1016047;1423706716;asciilifeform;exempt folks in wot, these must face actual judgement of their peers
1016048;1423706727;asciilifeform;but for remoras - the swiftest possible discipline.
1016049;1423706739;PeterL;maybe if kicked then assbot also bans for n minutes? (n=30?)
1016050;1423706767;danielpbarron;kick is such a silly irc command
1016051;1423706801;PeterL;remora: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Remora
1016052;1423706803;assbot;Remora - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ... ( http://bit.ly/1EcfnYk )
1016053;1423706817;asciilifeform;yes, them.
1016054;1423706825;PeterL;nice name
1016055;1423706827;asciilifeform;the suction cup fish.
1016056;1423706849;PeterL;I like the imagery
1016057;1423706851;decimation;asciilifeform: I second request for the likbez, would be useful to link
1016058;1423706917;decimation;re: ddos < last night I noticed my internet had been taken offline by ISP, and I wonder if somehow the ddos'er can hack cloaks
1016059;1423706938;asciilifeform;decimation: are you entirely certain that your client did not disconnect & auto-rejoin ?
1016060;1423706945;asciilifeform;decimation: cloak tends to go to pieces in that situation
1016061;1423706947;decimation;no it was disconnected at the modem
1016062;1423706959;asciilifeform;yes, but prior to that
1016063;1423706974;decimation;it's possible, I don't log closely
1016064;1423706990;asciilifeform;and, disconnected how? had to open a service ticket with isp ?
1016065;1423707003;decimation;well, I have a dsl modem with shitty chinese firmware
1016066;1423707024;decimation;in its 'status' page it said "DSL Connected" but "Internet Disconnected"
1016067;1423707039;decimation;I'm pretty sure "internet disconnected" meant that the pppoe session was down
1016068;1423707080;*;decimation is sad that ppp is used over a perfectly 8-bit clean channel
1016069;1423707142;asciilifeform;may as well also be said about tcp over lan, where no packet ought to ever drop unless the place is on fire...
1016070;1423707153;decimation;good point.
1016071;1423707170;decimation;there's plenty of shitgnomery in telco deployments
1016072;1423707198;decimation;in this way, the docsis design is at least a clean sheet without layers of 'channelized data' thinking
1016073;1423707253;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11100 @ 0.00042906 = 4.7626 BTC [-] {2} 
1016074;1423707318;danielpbarron;http://l.b-a.link/?date=27-11-2014#937343
1016075;1423707319;assbot;Logged on 27-11-2014 18:53:32; fluffypony: besides, this is a trivial problem - all IRC servers in a network need to be in-sync (services etc.), so just sync up a table of IP -> random string key-value pairs
1016076;1423707339;danielpbarron;decimation, ^
1016077;1423707503;decimation;danielpbarron: yes, it is amazing that nobody has done this
1016078;1423707503;assbot;AMAZING COMPANY!
1016079;1423707537;decimation;only the endpoint server to which you are connected has any business knowing your ip
1016080;1423707626;decimation;the shitgomes at google and facebook manage to 'sync' your account across many machines without revealing your ip to anybody
1016081;1423707634;decimation;http://ownme.ipredator.se/ < amusement
1016082;1423707635;assbot;BTC Piñata ... ( http://bit.ly/1EcjnrK )
1016083;1423707674;asciilifeform;^ amusement but not as author meant. 10btc is a laughable bounty for the problem posed.
1016084;1423707684;decimation;asciilifeform: aye
1016085;1423707956;Adlai;http://bitbin.it/jPDv00CG
1016086;1423707957;assbot;rainstorm - BitBin ... ( http://bit.ly/19aNo1W )
1016087;1423708014;Adlai;disclaimer: ideas produced on or around 4:20 are to be considered as highdeas, regardless of the author's actual mental state (in this case, drunk)
1016088;1423708132;PeterL;it's 4:20 somewhere
1016089;1423708267;thestringpuller;heh
1016090;1423708339;asciilifeform;decimation: it belongs in roughly the same circus of lulz as, e.g., microshit's offer of 50-100k usd for 0days that are each worth a million pwned boxes, and the like.
1016091;1423708689;mircea_popescu;cazalla bingoboingo "It would be nice to see more articles like this, but I won't hold my breath." :D
1016092;1423708695;mircea_popescu;i tell you this is a niche :D
1016093;1423708839;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15700 @ 0.00041855 = 6.5712 BTC [-] {3} 
1016094;1423708991;mircea_popescu;Naphex: https://twitter.com/XotikaTV  < o hey.
1016095;1423708993;assbot;Xotika.TV (@XotikaTV) | Twitter ... ( http://bit.ly/1Ecpn3I )
1016096;1423709300;mircea_popescu;http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/02/11/us-mideast-crisis-congress-authorization-idUSKBN0LF1KP20150211 << lmao
1016097;1423709302;assbot;      Obama asks Congress to authorize U.S. war on Islamic State| Reuters ... ( http://bit.ly/19aPpLw )
1016098;1423709322;mircea_popescu;wasn't the party line that isis is really friendly ?
1016099;1423709337;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: only when it was called 'syrian rebels'
1016100;1423709347;mircea_popescu;oh oh i see.
1016101;1423709353;mircea_popescu;so what about the ukraine rebels ?
1016102;1423709354;asciilifeform;the usual afghani switcheroo.
1016103;1423709359;mircea_popescu;once they start gasing people ?
1016104;1423709383;PeterL;now they are saying that the friendly syrian rebels are different from ISIS
1016105;1423709388;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2703 @ 0.00041619 = 1.125 BTC [-]
1016106;1423709402;asciilifeform;aha just like the friendly mujahedeen
1016107;1423709403;mircea_popescu;i can almost feel this coming, you know, by 2018 it will be "these ukrainian rebels that did ATROCITIES!!! that russia invented!"
1016108;1423709411;PeterL;in Ukraine the rebels are terrists
1016109;1423709427;mircea_popescu;PeterL not those rebels, the other rebels. the derps in kiev.
1016110;1423709489;mircea_popescu;this is my ukrainian prediction : that before the decade is out a) kiev will be widely reported to have run atrocious concentration camps and b) the us/nato will be misrepresenting themselves as "against this" and russia as somehow related to it.
1016111;1423709514;asciilifeform;sop.
1016112;1423709523;mircea_popescu;i have never known of a militaristic regime that was frustrated in the field / widely inept military that didn't start massacring civillians.
1016113;1423709534;mircea_popescu;it's like the loser husband with a smal penis - always beats the wife.
1016114;1423709547;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: kiev's been grinding up civvies in industrial quantities for most of a year.
1016115;1423709559;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform i know. i'm the one with the intel.
1016116;1423709562;asciilifeform;via shellings, rather than gasenwagen, but quite deliberately
1016117;1423709568;mircea_popescu;but somehow the us propaganda machine seems to have never heard of this.
1016118;1423709570;asciilifeform;it isn't any kind of secret
1016119;1423709573;asciilifeform;except from anglos
1016120;1423709574;asciilifeform;'ESL'
1016121;1423709587;asciilifeform;anyone who gives a fuck can get a live video feed of the 'fun'
1016122;1423709589;mircea_popescu;i dunno dude, i seem to have missed the 500 headlines a day about how kiev is atrocious.
1016123;1423709604;mircea_popescu;perhaps because of all the derpage about "women slave markets in the middle east"
1016124;1423709624;mircea_popescu;(if anyone's going send me a coupla cherchez chicks too)
1016125;1423709701;mircea_popescu;or how do you call it, Карача́ево
1016126;1423709731;asciilifeform;kiev 'idea' was 'let's shell'em a bit and they'll pack up to ru, then we get cities, factories that we had no part in building, gratis, free of ru speakers, we can settle in our west ua orcs'
1016127;1423709743;PeterL;I have a friend from Crimea, he still has family there, says they are all grateful to Putin for saving them from the fate of the rest of Ukraine
1016128;1423709757;*;asciilifeform has blood relations there, ditto
1016129;1423709760;mircea_popescu;PeterL this would be the general sentiment.
1016130;1423709787;PeterL;mircea_popescu: but this sentiment is not reflected in the US press
1016131;1423709791;mircea_popescu;how the fuck do you call these people in english anyway ?
1016132;1423709794;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform dja know ?
1016133;1423709800;asciilifeform;who?
1016134;1423709808;mircea_popescu;karachay ? cherkesia ?
1016135;1423709812;asciilifeform;circassians
1016136;1423709818;mircea_popescu;the traditionally highest priced white chicks in arab slave markets
1016137;1423709819;mircea_popescu;ah
1016138;1423709845;asciilifeform;as written in n. barber's 'the sultans' and other classics
1016139;1423709871;mircea_popescu;http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/1/16/Flag_of_Adygea.svg < yeah that.
1016140;1423709872;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/19aQpPR )
1016141;1423709922;decimation;speaking of predictions: I predict that hawaiians will be considered 'official indians' and be put on the bezzle dole http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2015/feb/10/china-threatens-arm-hawaii-separatists-who-want-ki/
1016142;1423709923;assbot;China threatens to arm Hawaii separatists who want kingdom - Washington Times ... ( http://bit.ly/19aQvqA )
1016143;1423709945;mircea_popescu;chinese sea base in hawaii would be pretty epic
1016144;1423709960;mircea_popescu;you know they want it. you know they could actually get it.
1016145;1423709978;decimation;there has been 'debate' for years on whether the 'native hawaiians (korean slaves)' should be considered 'indians' and given bezzlars
1016146;1423709991;mircea_popescu;that's clearly drawing to an end, yeah.
1016147;1423710007;PeterL;decimation: next bombing of Pearl Harbor comes from the east?
1016148;1423710018;decimation;well, if they have the patience to wait 100 years they might get it
1016149;1423710030;asciilifeform;http://www.dpvintageposters.com/cgi-local/detail.cgi?d=9685 << related
1016150;1423710031;assbot;DP Vintage Posters - Free Leonard Peltier Original USSR Soviet Union anti-American Protest Poster ... ( http://bit.ly/1Ectw7Y )
1016151;1423710041;mircea_popescu;decimation they could get it next year if they cared enough.
1016152;1423710051;decimation;hilariously, the actual hawaiian islands are 100% dependent on usg military, etc for income
1016153;1423710067;mircea_popescu;decimation problem is chinese military has way more money.
1016154;1423710071;decimation;if they became 'independent' they would just become someone else's bitch
1016155;1423710090;mircea_popescu;ask anyone working for military tech, they'll tell you 2/3 to 90% of the chinese performance is due to "Stable financing"
1016156;1423710109;mircea_popescu;decimation if they're going to be a bitch they might as well suck the shorter, better paying cock.
1016157;1423710135;asciilifeform;another factor is that the 'middle kingdom' has yet to invent the modern military golden toilet.
1016158;1423710137;decimation;I don't think the us military would give up hawaii without an actual war
1016159;1423710142;mircea_popescu;o rly ?
1016160;1423710150;mircea_popescu;lose 6 of the 10 aircraft carriers ?
1016161;1423710155;decimation;of course, if they are too poor to pay anyone...
1016162;1423710168;PeterL;it is a strategic navy port
1016163;1423710176;mircea_popescu;and about 50 to 70% of the rest of the fleet ?
1016164;1423710201;mircea_popescu;if they do that russia can simply move into poland. or japan.
1016165;1423710205;decimation;nah, the prc doesn't really have a blue water navy
1016166;1423710207;mircea_popescu;i wonder, which way they;'d go.
1016167;1423710222;mircea_popescu;decimation it has missiles capable of bridging to hawaii just fine.
1016168;1423710226;mircea_popescu;it's kinda close to them
1016169;1423710236;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: would you take jp? and for what ?
1016170;1423710245;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform i would not take either.
1016171;1423710255;decimation;I don't think china has the balls to start a missile war with usg
1016172;1423710256;asciilifeform;pl makes a great nuke waste dump
1016173;1423710260;asciilifeform;just like latvia
1016174;1423710264;mircea_popescu;so does japan nowadays :D
1016175;1423710269;asciilifeform;jp is full
1016176;1423710282;mircea_popescu;but that's "why" : let the engineers move to st petersburg.
1016177;1423710291;mircea_popescu;let the social studies experts rot in tokyo
1016178;1423710315;asciilifeform;is jp long on 'experts' ?
1016179;1423710325;mircea_popescu;kind-of.
1016180;1423710330;decimation;now, the problem that usg has is that in 30 years, they might not be able to pay for missiles or soldiers
1016181;1423710363;asciilifeform;decimation: they're working on a smooth transition to straight inca mode
1016182;1423710364;mircea_popescu;decimation if the chinese shock the market (putting obama in the position of putin), they won't have what to pay for limo gasoline with.
1016183;1423710402;*;decimation emits parse error
1016184;1423710434;mircea_popescu;the entire non-"government shutdown" is predicated on rolling debt at 0.2% or less.
1016185;1423710445;mircea_popescu;this can not happen without chinese aquiescence.
1016186;1423710447;decimation;yes indeed
1016187;1423710456;decimation;well, china is actually a fairly small owner of usg debt
1016188;1423710463;mircea_popescu;if the chinese go 8% or fuck you, that's the end of paying. for anything.
1016189;1423710469;mircea_popescu;not a matter of "Debt ceiling" anymore.
1016190;1423710479;mircea_popescu;yes, but it's a fairly major player in the financial markets.
1016191;1423710483;decimation;http://www.cnsnews.com/news/article/terence-p-jeffrey/foreign-ownership-us-government-debt-passes-6-trillion
1016192;1423710484;assbot;Foreign Ownership of U.S. Government Debt Passes $6 Trillion | CNS News ... ( http://bit.ly/19aRhUu )
1016193;1423710496;decimation;well, the way all the 'smart
1016194;1423710501;mircea_popescu;does that include the belgium trololol ?
1016195;1423710505;decimation;liberals think now, they would say 'that's not a problem'
1016196;1423710518;asciilifeform;so usg will move to straight command economy.
1016197;1423710520;mircea_popescu;sure, it's not a problem. but there's no paying for anything either.
1016198;1423710524;decimation;the fed will just print more bezzlars and loan them at whatever rate is our choosing
1016199;1423710524;asciilifeform;'inca empire'
1016200;1423710528;PeterL;at that point they will need to speed up the presses and hyperinflate out of debt
1016201;1423710536;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform it would last for what, 18 months ?
1016202;1423710552;asciilifeform;the incas carried on considerably longer than that...
1016203;1423710588;asciilifeform;will chug on until the conquistadores show up.
1016204;1423710593;decimation;asciilifeform: what does usg have to compel a trade?
1016205;1423710613;mircea_popescu;the incas carried out considerably longer on that principally because they weren't trying to keep carriers afloat.
1016206;1423710616;mircea_popescu;that takes money.
1016207;1423710626;asciilifeform;takes slaves.
1016208;1423710630;asciilifeform;usg - has plenty.
1016209;1423710638;decimation;not to mention keeping old people & minorities in free living
1016210;1423710639;mircea_popescu;only provided they're allowed to roll debt.
1016211;1423710650;asciilifeform;slaves to crew the boat, pull the hydrocarbons out of the ground, everything in between.
1016212;1423710668;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform your model implies i am going to be able to buy off us destroyers.
1016213;1423710676;asciilifeform;eventually
1016214;1423710682;mircea_popescu;within years.
1016215;1423710687;asciilifeform;aha
1016216;1423710692;mircea_popescu;well... not much of a plan is it.
1016217;1423710722;PeterL;what would you do with a destroyer?
1016218;1423710723;*;asciilifeform isn't usg vizier, isn't paid to plan
1016219;1423710730;*;asciilifeform only observes.
1016220;1423710741;mircea_popescu;PeterL i dunno, shoot porn on it.
1016221;1423710753;mircea_popescu;take it to venezuela and bombard the capital.
1016222;1423710755;asciilifeform;it'd make a good slave galley
1016223;1423710757;asciilifeform;fit oars
1016224;1423710762;mircea_popescu;bwahahahaha
1016225;1423710770;mircea_popescu;ok wtf oar fitted aegis class destroyer.
1016226;1423710776;asciilifeform;that's what i always wanted to see
1016227;1423710781;asciilifeform;it doesn't have to actually move
1016228;1423710787;decimation;actually the carriers and the entire dod welfare parade is only about 17% of the total usg spending
1016229;1423710801;asciilifeform;but it would be grand to see old 'movers and shakers' of usg row until the end of their days.
1016230;1423710807;mircea_popescu;decimation but it's about 50% of the spending that actually does something, you see.
1016231;1423710818;decimation;yeah that's about right
1016232;1423710820;mircea_popescu;the other 50% is spent on imaginary things that meet no pactical verification
1016233;1423710822;mircea_popescu;like paper pushing
1016234;1423710846;asciilifeform;if you want to see usg spending, visit the 'potomac' quarter of d.c. area, for example
1016235;1423710848;mircea_popescu;there's a difference between "keeping boat afloat" and "correctly filing form GX-22"
1016236;1423710850;decimation;well, most of that is simply stripping people with money and giving it to 'deserving groups'
1016237;1423710872;decimation;of that 17%, probably only about 10-20% of that is actually 'keeping boat afloat'
1016238;1423710884;asciilifeform;at this point, virtually anyone living like 'upper middle class' and above in usa, is usg spending personified
1016239;1423710902;decimation;asciilifeform:  you mean potomac, maryland?
1016240;1423710903;asciilifeform;(how? see tlp article)
1016241;1423710909;asciilifeform;decimation: aha
1016242;1423710932;mircea_popescu;the thing is, a destroyer "cost" a coupla bil, and will sell for what, 10-20k btc.
1016243;1423710940;mircea_popescu;much like the russian leftovers.
1016244;1423710944;asciilifeform;the mega-bezzle isn't simply buying carriers, it's buying countless yachts, mcmansions, etc
1016245;1423710950;decimation;as I recall mike tyson had a mansion there, had real tigers
1016246;1423710959;mircea_popescu;wasn't he bankrupt ?
1016247;1423710963;asciilifeform;paying for hundreds of thousands of imbeciles to attent harvaprinceyaleton
1016248;1423710974;decimation;http://articles.baltimoresun.com/2001-04-28/news/0104280333_1_tyson-blaze-fire-officials
1016249;1423710976;assbot;Mike Tyson Potomac Home | Family of boxer Tyson unhurt after fire at Potomac home - Baltimore Sun ... ( http://bit.ly/19aRWp1 )
1016250;1423710989;mircea_popescu;hmm, musta been diff boxer.
1016251;1423710992;mircea_popescu;maybe hollyfield.
1016252;1423710992;asciilifeform;*attend
1016253;1423711006;decimation;asciilifeform: yes but most of those 'usg employees' are not actually on the official payroll
1016254;1423711021;decimation;lobbyists, lawyers, contractors who 'bill' usg for their services
1016255;1423711039;asciilifeform;decimation: virtually none of the real 'winners' are on civil service payroll
1016256;1423711052;asciilifeform;nobody gets rich off civil service salary
1016257;1423711056;asciilifeform;'consulting' - sure
1016258;1423711064;decimation;;;ud potomac
1016259;1423711064;gribble;http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=potomac | The "Darkhorse" of rich American towns, Potomac is, based on per capita income , the richest community in the Country. While it is often believed that Greenwich ...
1016260;1423711067;asciilifeform;'captaining' pseudo-industries - sure
1016261;1423711078;asciilifeform;('intellectual property', etc)
1016262;1423711104;decimation;someone has to 'provide' the muscle, buildings, etc in all those third world countries usg mucks with
1016263;1423711167;asciilifeform;cutting straight to the chase - the folks at the management layer of all of these bezzlatrons are kept in mansions, boats, 'hookerz and blow', expensive lawyering, investatron fuel rods, etc.
1016264;1423711178;asciilifeform;-this- is where the usg budget actually goes.
1016265;1423711196;asciilifeform;the actual slurping black hole at the center of usgalaxy.
1016266;1423711222;decimation;yeah, they are closest to the money that spews forth from usg
1016267;1423711233;decimation;everyone else in wash dc is just the help
1016268;1423711252;asciilifeform;the $maxints that simply vanish into the mountain of paper, where a missing $bil in the balance sheets isn't even interesting to the accountants - to the extent the sums represent real, vs. imaginary buying power -
1016269;1423711258;asciilifeform;this is what ends up bought.
1016270;1423711287;decimation;http://www.federalnewsradio.com/697/2012362/SIGIR-Defense-cant-account-for-87-billion
1016271;1423711289;assbot;SIGIR: Defense can't account for $8.7 billion - FederalNewsRadio.com ... ( http://bit.ly/19aSknt )
1016272;1423711313;asciilifeform;^ items like above are so plentiful that no longer considered newsworthy
1016273;1423711326;mircea_popescu;cazalla: lol @ USGavin pumping satoshi for his dox straight off the bat << funny how that works, in retrospect huh.
1016274;1423711372;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform it's not the abundance that makes them not news worthy.
1016275;1423711380;mircea_popescu;it's the simple knowledge that the usd is just a scam altcoin anyway.
1016276;1423711394;mircea_popescu;would you / me / qntra / anyone give a shit about how many ether coins were "Stolen" ?
1016277;1423711414;decimation;http://www.thenewamerican.com/usnews/health-care/item/13146-medicaid-fraud-in-the-billions
1016278;1423711417;assbot;Medicaid Fraud in the Billions ... ( http://bit.ly/1EczpC9 )
1016279;1423711434;decimation;"The amount[of medicaid fraud], just in New York, is estimated by Issa’s committee to be in excess of $15 billion, equivalent to $1.9 million per patient per year!"
1016280;1423711439;mircea_popescu;lol issa.
1016281;1423711470;mircea_popescu;decimation clearly if more money were spent on healthcare everything'd be better.
1016282;1423711485;asciilifeform;^ crank bait
1016283;1423711503;mircea_popescu;"The amount[of medicaid fraud], just in New York, is estimated by Issa�s committee to be in excess of $15 billion, equivalent to $1.9 million per patient per year!" << ahahaha epic.
1016284;1423711506;mircea_popescu;oops
1016285;1423711512;mircea_popescu;assbot: The Lesbian Jewish Leftist Conspiracy Tearing Reddit Apart, Untangled << this i meant.
1016286;1423711522;mircea_popescu;them redheaded
1016287;1423711527;mircea_popescu;them redheaded hussies!
1016288;1423711551;asciilifeform;(either one is meant to conclude that the figure is wildly implausible - or - realize that patients are not walking off with 2m each, and therefore xxx, and xxx is not a subject that can be discussed publicly in usa while retaining credibility in the state media)
1016289;1423711576;mircea_popescu;because crediblity in the state media is desirable now.
1016290;1423711586;asciilifeform;to the folks paid to give a fuck - yes
1016291;1423711612;asciilifeform;the rest of us don't particularly care where the aethereum goes, as mircea_popescu put it
1016292;1423711631;asciilifeform;it is quite obvious at this point, roughly where.
1016293;1423711642;decimation;worrying about the flow of this money is the business of those folks in potomac
1016294;1423711648;mircea_popescu;"Guy exposed a cabal of users taking over reddit yesterday, spawned a watchdog subreddit of 2500 subscribers overnight, was then banned by reddit's admins, all the subreddit's mods then banned, admins won't say why, and now they're handing the subreddit to the corrupt cabal of users who were exposed."
1016295;1423711649;mircea_popescu;awwwww.
1016296;1423711655;asciilifeform;decimation: they don't give a fuck re: the flow of money
1016297;1423711666;asciilifeform;decimation: only the flow of the yachts, hookers, coke
1016298;1423711671;asciilifeform;the money - is a proxy
1016299;1423711692;asciilifeform;if tomorrow these things are not procurable with usd, they will be procured using direct corvee
1016300;1423711736;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: wai wat
1016301;1423711740;decimation;asciilifeform: I'm not so sure about that.  the folks you mention are not exactly used to physically compelling people to get what they want
1016302;1423711755;asciilifeform;decimation: not personally
1016303;1423711768;asciilifeform;decimation: but they have an understanding with the specialist guilds.
1016304;1423711796;asciilifeform;decimation: mircea_popescu seems to think that this understanding will unravel if usd tanks, but i don't grasp how
1016305;1423711804;mircea_popescu;ok so dear bitcoin-assets, please advise. I'm sitting here reading http://internet.gawker.com/the-lesbian-jewish-leftist-conspiracy-tearing-reddit-ap-1684788589/+tcberman and wodering : am i completely crazy to think this is related to http://trilema.com/2015/these-fools-have-been-handed-a-technology-so-clever-so-disruptive-and-revolutionary-that-the-rulers-of-the-world-would-have-to-fully-unmask-themselves-as-ruthless
1016306;1423711805;assbot;The Lesbian Jewish Leftist Conspiracy Tearing Reddit Apart, Untangled ... ( http://bit.ly/1EcB1M9 )
1016307;1423711805;assbot;Page not found pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.  ... ( http://bit.ly/1EcB4HE )
1016308;1423711805;mircea_popescu;-tyrants-in-order-to-suppress-it/#footnote_1_59300 ?
1016309;1423711820;*;asciilifeform neither expert nor has access to the proper intel, however
1016310;1423711850;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform but if your corvee theory is correct, why exactly was it that one could buy rusting cccp subs on the open market in 1991 ?
1016311;1423711859;mircea_popescu;why didn't the politburo just corvee it out ?
1016312;1423711880;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: ru folks had something to surrender to
1016313;1423711883;asciilifeform;and they eagerly did.
1016314;1423711892;mircea_popescu;greed ?
1016315;1423711901;asciilifeform;that something didn't arrive with free 'levi' jeans and disneyland passes for everyone, no
1016316;1423711914;asciilifeform;but the illusion was convincing enough
1016317;1423711916;mircea_popescu;the us can surrender to the most serene republic
1016318;1423711920;mircea_popescu;as i have told them to do already.
1016319;1423711922;mircea_popescu;why not ?
1016320;1423711941;mircea_popescu;i would accept fealty from a us puppet president, sure.
1016321;1423712040;BingoBoingo;<mircea_popescu> -tyrants-in-order-to-suppress-it/#footnote_1_59300 ? << Likely, but possible drama independently agitated
1016322;1423712045;mircea_popescu;mike_c: i blame both of you. thirty lashes. << o.O careful with that, sht hurts.
1016323;1423712052;asciilifeform;surrender of ussr wasn't the least bit centered on the brass
1016324;1423712055;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo what triggered me was the 8chan pic. seeing how
1016325;1423712055;asciilifeform;and mircea_popescu knows this
1016326;1423712056;mircea_popescu;!s 8chan
1016327;1423712057;assbot;6 results for '8chan' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=8chan
1016328;1423712075;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform but it was centered on the aspirational class. as typified by gorby.
1016329;1423712085;BingoBoingo;Ah
1016330;1423712088;asciilifeform;everybody from schoolboy in moscow to chukchas - surrendered
1016331;1423712096;mircea_popescu;sure.
1016332;1423712100;asciilifeform;everybody who drooled over the 'levis'
1016333;1423712107;mircea_popescu;everybody drooled over THE WOT.
1016334;1423712107;asciilifeform;was already surrendered
1016335;1423712111;mircea_popescu;it wasn';t the levy's, not at all.
1016336;1423712115;mircea_popescu;it was belonging. to what ?
1016337;1423712128;mircea_popescu;to "the world"
1016338;1423712130;mircea_popescu;which world ?
1016339;1423712132;asciilifeform;to the 'human' (vs 'orc') world where they 'know how to live'
1016340;1423712139;mircea_popescu;well... certainly no the 1920-1970 continuum
1016341;1423712144;mircea_popescu;right. exactly.
1016342;1423712153;asciilifeform;(a largely imagined animal, you pretty much have to have been there to grok this)
1016343;1423712157;mircea_popescu;EXACTLY
1016344;1423712168;mircea_popescu;so... how is la serenissima not exactly fit ?
1016345;1423712173;asciilifeform;so who and where is drooling over wot ?
1016346;1423712184;mircea_popescu;everyone i know.
1016347;1423712198;asciilifeform;i mean, in the lands of barbarism
1016348;1423712200;mircea_popescu;do the experiment yourself. ask peopel what the ideal world is.
1016349;1423712203;mircea_popescu;notice what they express.
1016350;1423712216;mircea_popescu;how they call it is irrelevant. note what they substantiall say.
1016351;1423712236;asciilifeform;they're drooling over fast car, easy women, etc. - not wot
1016352;1423712239;BingoBoingo;wd mircea_popescu http://qntra.net/2015/02/usd-fraud-collapses-suitability-of-usd-for-law-abiding-citizens-in-commerce-questioned/#comment-10019
1016353;1423712240;assbot;USD Fraud Collapses: Suitability of USD for Law Abiding Citizens In Commerce Questioned | Qntra.net ... ( http://bit.ly/1EcCXnP )
1016354;1423712246;mircea_popescu;not that i've seen.
1016355;1423712317;mircea_popescu;for one thing, women are easier than ever. and they're mostly affraid of them. why ?
1016356;1423712347;asciilifeform;because they never learned to safely unscrew the detonator ?
1016357;1423712365;mircea_popescu;mike_c: yeah, cazalla and BingoBoingo are getting it done.  < +1
1016358;1423712371;asciilifeform;(in usa they have secondary anti-handling detonators)
1016359;1423712383;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform as far as they see it, because fucktarded politburo is poisonng gender relaitons.
1016360;1423712388;mircea_popescu;this is exactly true, incidentally.
1016361;1423712406;asciilifeform;that it is true is about the same kind of 'secret' as the 'missing $maxint'
1016362;1423712444;mircea_popescu;right.
1016363;1423712455;mircea_popescu;so yes, the reagent is there.
1016364;1423712496;asciilifeform;thing is, unlike soviet 'line', usg does not have a universally (or even widely) subscribed to opposite.
1016365;1423712499;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10927 @ 0.00042981 = 4.6965 BTC [+]
1016366;1423712511;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform most importantly : note that at the time they surrendered en masse, less than 1% of 1% had BEEN THERE
1016367;1423712513;mircea_popescu;right ?
1016368;1423712517;mircea_popescu;they did it on hearsay. right ?
1016369;1423712522;asciilifeform;yes
1016370;1423712527;decimation;moldbug had a piece on this, then tried to invent some 'tarded 'antiversity' thing
1016371;1423712530;mircea_popescu;the matches are numerous.
1016372;1423712563;asciilifeform;decimation: mr mold had enough brains to understand that his entire edifice falls apart without the answer to this riddle, but was unable to come up with a plausible one
1016373;1423712571;asciilifeform;and instead crapped out - well - that
1016374;1423712588;mircea_popescu;necessity is the mother of invention. and also, stupidity.
1016375;1423712603;asciilifeform;and as far as 'man on the street' in usa is concerned - the opposite of usg is 'mad max'.
1016376;1423712666;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform but the "man in the street" in russia STILL has batyushka portraits!
1016377;1423712683;mircea_popescu;it wasn't the man in the street. it was EXACTLY the famished student.
1016378;1423712698;mircea_popescu;the guy who has to choose between "VC shot" and "WoT"
1016379;1423712748;decimation;eh, as long as everyone in the us has a full belly nothing is going to change
1016380;1423712767;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform: how much work to auto-kick join/part sp4mz0rz? << i occasionally do it, but meh.
1016381;1423712779;mircea_popescu;decimation nobody was actually starving in russia in 1988
1016382;1423712793;mircea_popescu;i mean that literally. nobody. more people were starving in new york than in russia.
1016383;1423712840;decimation;yeah that's probably true
1016384;1423712842;mircea_popescu;this was a major propaganda point (soviet propaganda had the unique distinction of actually being mostly true). nobody cared.
1016385;1423712865;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28100 @ 0.00042756 = 12.0144 BTC [-] {3} 
1016386;1423712954;asciilifeform;nobody... starving in russia in '88 << plenty in '93
1016387;1423712965;asciilifeform;and yet 'omg111!111! levis'
1016388;1423713000;mircea_popescu;right ?
1016389;1423713008;mircea_popescu;so that's not a major driver of the behaviour.
1016390;1423713017;mircea_popescu;also, it was plainly apparent to everyone in 88 that yes, 93 will be starving
1016391;1423713020;mircea_popescu;NOBODY CARED.
1016392;1423713028;mircea_popescu;even the people who could readily realise it'd be them, didn't care.
1016393;1423713036;asciilifeform;took 50+ years of 24/7 massage
1016394;1423713049;mircea_popescu;the romanian folklore has the exact discussion of this behaviour, as folklore.
1016395;1423713062;mircea_popescu;;;google da-ma mama dupa gyury ca ma tine-n virfu pulii
1016396;1423713063;gribble;No matches found.
1016397;1423713065;mircea_popescu;orly.
1016398;1423713109;mircea_popescu;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nQ63C-DLk_Q <
1016399;1423713111;assbot;Da-ma mama dupa Iura - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1IXNHgE )
1016400;1423713118;asciilifeform;if every male in usa had been secretly wanking to chicom gurlz under his blankets since... 1920s? - then we'd have an analogous thing going
1016401;1423713249;decimation;and in his adult years, secretly reading foreign journals in his sharishka
1016402;1423713506;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform why's chicom come into it ?!
1016403;1423713523;mircea_popescu;decimation well... qntra's getting moar popular :D
1016404;1423713645;mircea_popescu;;;later tell kermit fix your bouncer
1016405;1423713645;gribble;The operation succeeded.
1016406;1423713652;mircea_popescu;;;later tell mandarin fix your bouncer
1016407;1423713653;gribble;The operation succeeded.
1016408;1423713714;decimation;lol I didn't know that korolev was a zek
1016409;1423713892;mircea_popescu;incredibly, iirc this is actually mentioned in teh logs.
1016410;1423714146;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2850 @ 0.00042701 = 1.217 BTC [-]
1016411;1423714360;decimation;ah yes, indeed. it is good to read old logs again
1016412;1423714402;mircea_popescu;jesus this is hard.
1016413;1423714454;mircea_popescu;for the record it's /mode #bitcoin-assets -b *!*zip55413@pdpc/supporter/bronze/kermit
1016414;1423714499;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform: but for remoras - the swiftest possible discipline. << eh, it's best to fix problems well after rather than well before they're problems.
1016415;1423714573;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9279 @ 0.00042701 = 3.9622 BTC [-]
1016416;1423715069;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=11-02-2015#1015762 << this is lulzy. what it essentially says is, "this court will not protect the defendant's rights"
1016417;1423715069;assbot;Logged on 11-02-2015 15:54:47; asciilifeform: 'Based on the public record, the Court finds that the Plaintiffs have failed to establish a sufficient factual basis to find they have standing to sue under the Fourth Amendment regarding the possible interception of their Internet communications. Further, having reviewed the Government Defendants� classified submissions, the Court finds that the Claim must be dismissed because even if Plaintiffs coul
1016418;1423715084;mircea_popescu;the logical segue is, "well it's a LOT better to publish the stuff on the internet than to submit it to a court"
1016419;1423715100;mircea_popescu;"i bet you mp wouldn't say the USG gets to make classified filings"
1016420;1423715200;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=11-02-2015#1015800 << leapfrogs ? :D
1016421;1423715200;assbot;Logged on 11-02-2015 17:34:08; ben_vulpes: i went to sleep mourning the computers my children seem doomed to use.
1016422;1423715265;mircea_popescu;hanbot: http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/2vjzk7/gavin_and_the_cia/ << reddit suppression brigade hard at work. cause keeping the sheep in the dark is a winning strat now. << to get a 45% result you need something like 20 votes cast, 11-9 unless my math's deceiving me.
1016423;1423715266;assbot;Gavin and the CIA : Bitcoin ... ( http://bit.ly/1zNE79Z )
1016424;1423715273;decimation;mircea_popescu: even judges want to feel like they are in the usg wot
1016425;1423715286;mircea_popescu;there's no usg wot tho, is the problem.
1016426;1423715301;asciilifeform;why's chicom come into it ?! << example of empire to surrender to
1016427;1423715360;asciilifeform;there's no usg wot tho << closest thing to a format usg wot may be the infamous 'plum book'
1016428;1423715415;mircea_popescu;russians didn't surrender to iran ffs.
1016429;1423715427;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 44600 @ 0.00041568 = 18.5393 BTC [-] {4} 
1016430;1423715429;mircea_popescu;why would the us surrender to china.
1016431;1423715436;asciilifeform;they surrendered to the one and only mega-empire of the period.
1016432;1423715447;mircea_popescu;no, they surrendered to the best wot to be had at the time.
1016433;1423715451;asciilifeform;that massaged them for surrender for half a century.
1016434;1423715455;mircea_popescu;it wasn't even us per se, it was more west germany than us.
1016435;1423715458;hanbot;<mircea_popescu> to get a 45% result you need to include the phrase "not that there's anything wrong with that" / ftfy
1016436;1423715460;decimation;asciilifeform: but the 'plum book wot' isn't really going to modify what the career bureaucrats think, see moldbug
1016437;1423715469;asciilifeform;reflects, not modifies
1016438;1423715536;mircea_popescu;hanbot lol
1016439;1423715638;asciilifeform;unrelated,
1016440;1423715643;asciilifeform;in case no one noticed,
1016441;1423715659;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=11-02-2015#1015730
1016442;1423715659;assbot;Logged on 11-02-2015 15:09:50; asciilifeform: ^ it synced.
1016443;1423715667;mircea_popescu;cool beans.
1016444;1423715698;asciilifeform;tease preview:
1016445;1423715723;asciilifeform;i've a bitcoind monstrous chimera with custom allocator
1016446;1423715743;asciilifeform;but needs a little massage, and am presently mired in actual paying work (tm)
1016447;1423715764;asciilifeform;custom allocator, meaning, actually aware of own footprint
1016448;1423715793;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 55400 @ 0.00041154 = 22.7993 BTC [-] {2} 
1016449;1423715799;decimation;asciilifeform: how did you tame layers of c++/boost mempool crud?
1016450;1423715809;asciilifeform;magic.
1016451;1423716175;mircea_popescu;lol
1016452;1423716185;mircea_popescu;looking forward to the list drop.
1016453;1423716203;*;asciilifeform promises to post when ready for playtest
1016454;1423717257;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13100 @ 0.00041022 = 5.3739 BTC [-] {3} 
1016455;1423717360;asciilifeform;https://archive.org/stream/principlesmrhar00unkngoog#page/n4/mode/2up << early 'open source', lol
1016456;1423717361;assbot;The principles of Mr. Harrison's time-keeper; with plates of the same ... ( http://bit.ly/1AdSiqO )
1016457;1423719819;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11000 @ 0.00041541 = 4.5695 BTC [+]
1016458;1423720246;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9950 @ 0.00041541 = 4.1333 BTC [+]
1016459;1423722126;BingoBoingo;!up whaack
1016460;1423722131;whaack;ty
1016461;1423722140;whaack;i tried to authenticate through nickserv and says i'm not registered
1016462;1423722228;whaack;anyways I came here to ask if you guys have btc entrepreneurial ideas that you think are good but just don't have time to get around to
1016463;1423722247;whaack;i would love to work in a completely closed btc system, but alas I don't know of any way to acquire bitcoins faster than trading in my fiat for them
1016464;1423722291;BingoBoingo;<whaack> i would love to work in a completely closed btc system, but alas I don't know of any way to acquire bitcoins faster than trading in my fiat for them << Sounds like the answer for the time being
1016465;1423722381;whaack;BingoBoingo: word but I know my business is the result of cheap credit so it hurts a little inside lol
1016466;1423722396;BingoBoingo;You gotta do what you gotta do
1016467;1423722517;whaack;BingoBoingo: Do you have any idea why I wouldn't be able to identify myself through Nickserv?
1016468;1423722555;BingoBoingo;Are you not registered and/or has it been more than a few weeks since you last identified with nickserv?
1016469;1423722652;whaack;it was like 3-5 days
1016470;1423722674;whaack;and i did the steps here http://wiki.bitcoin-assets.com/first_steps_in_bitcoin-assets
1016471;1423722674;assbot;first_steps_in_bitcoin-assets [bitcoin assets wiki] ... ( http://bit.ly/1ybBQ8x )
1016472;1423722676;BingoBoingo;That's tougher to debug.
1016473;1423722747;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5775 @ 0.00042135 = 2.4333 BTC [+] {2} 
1016474;1423722867;whaack;BingoBoingo: Another question - are there any SF bitcoin startups that you beileve are useful? Like do you believe CB is useful?
1016475;1423722896;BingoBoingo;I've never been that far west
1016476;1423722897;whaack;by SF I mean SF-esque
1016477;1423723357;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6800 @ 0.00042318 = 2.8776 BTC [+]
1016478;1423723480;BingoBoingo;Still
1016479;1423723662;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6383 @ 0.00042318 = 2.7012 BTC [+]
1016480;1423723672;whaack;What version of BTC does everyone here use?
1016481;1423723683;whaack;I heard people talking about like v .5
1016482;1423723704;BingoBoingo;A variety. Probably nothing 0.9 or later
1016483;1423723726;BingoBoingo;whaack: http://cascadianhacker.com/blog/2014/10/20_a-summary-of-changes-to-bitcoin-since-0321.html
1016484;1423723727;assbot;A summary of changes to Bitcoin since 0.3.21 ... ( http://bit.ly/1FBgHFD )
1016485;1423723804;whaack;FI don't get the hate on multisgi
1016486;1423723807;whaack;multisig*
1016487;1423723862;BingoBoingo;The assumptions that lead people towards it are problematic
1016488;1423723878;whaack;Can you explain?
1016489;1423723973;BingoBoingo;If you don't trust someone enough to send to them, why are you letting them collaboarate with their buddy? is the simple off target explanation
1016490;1423723978;BingoBoingo;!up whaack
1016491;1423724006;BingoBoingo;I'm deep in the vodka tonight. You may need a better explainador
1016492;1423724042;whaack;I'm deep into my weed it's alright
1016493;1423724070;whaack;I think multisig for that reason is retarded, I thought the main purpose is for personal use to reduce the chance I fuck something up
1016494;1423724171;BingoBoingo;Nah dawg. It's to get other motherfucker's claws into your wallet
1016495;1423724188;ben_vulpes;;;ticker
1016496;1423724191;gribble;Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 218.32, Best ask: 218.57, Bid-ask spread: 0.25000, Last trade: 218.29, 24 hour volume: 9416.10762757, 24 hour low: 217.99, 24 hour high: 223.0, 24 hour vwap: 220.901216254
1016497;1423724268;whaack;Is everyone in this channel dumping their coins on Gavin's big blockchain?
1016498;1423724325;whaack;It seems like something that takes a little bravery other than just holding and seeing which chain wins
1016499;1423724330;BingoBoingo;whaack: hard to say if so and on what timeline.
1016500;1423724364;BingoBoingo;I mean the money shot's spent at the end of the porno flick, but this is live cams. Can't tip when the action ends
1016501;1423724638;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34594 @ 0.00043005 = 14.8771 BTC [+] {3} 
1016502;1423725004;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 38900 @ 0.00043294 = 16.8414 BTC [+] {3} 
1016503;1423725446;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: the thing is, a destroyer "cost" a coupla bil, and will sell for what, 10-20k btc. << Mostly they sit in Norfolk
1016504;1423725507;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: hmm, musta been diff boxer. << Twas Tyson, USG bankruptcy laws... pretty hard not to use them. It is what got Trump rich
1016505;1423726421;BingoBoingo;!up joecool
1016506;1423726469;joecool;thanks, you know i can do that myself too right?
1016507;1423726506;BingoBoingo;Well, been a while since you did and saw you got into a ratings war earlier
1016508;1423726550;joecool;ah that was just messing with glooboy
1016509;1423726813;joecool;!gettrust BingoBoingo
1016510;1423726814;assbot;Trust relationship from user joecool to user BingoBoingo: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 4 via 4 connections. | http://w.b-a.link/trust/joecool/BingoBoingo | http://w.b-a.link/user/BingoBoingo
1016511;1423727810;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8983 @ 0.00042219 = 3.7925 BTC [-]
1016512;1423728725;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10117 @ 0.00042884 = 4.3386 BTC [+]
1016513;1423729382;punkman;http://qntra.net/2015/02/hsbc-clients-victims-of-probable-social-engineering-attack/ << "Details on how the leak occurred have not been made public" it was public, this guy leaked it http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Herv%C3%A9_Falciani
1016514;1423729382;assbot;HSBC Clients Victims of Probable Social Engineering Attack | Qntra.net ... ( http://bit.ly/1zO1hNt )
1016515;1423729384;assbot;Hervé Falciani - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ... ( http://bit.ly/1zO1hNB )
1016516;1423729884;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10300 @ 0.00041401 = 4.2643 BTC [-]
1016517;1423730115;ben_vulpes;<mircea_popescu> [] asciilifeform: but for remoras - the swiftest possible discipline. << eh, it's best to fix problems well after rather than well before they're problems. << it's a problem now.
1016518;1423730313;fluffypony;mandarin: your internet is broken
1016519;1423730386;ben_vulpes;!s mandarin
1016520;1423730387;assbot;23 results for 'mandarin' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=mandarin
1016521;1423730405;ben_vulpes;he or she knows.
1016522;1423730677;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5400 @ 0.00041401 = 2.2357 BTC [-]
1016523;1423730738;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6700 @ 0.00041401 = 2.7739 BTC [-]
1016524;1423730853;fluffypony;and knowing is half the battle
1016525;1423730854;fluffypony;:-P
1016526;1423732324;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19600 @ 0.00041363 = 8.1071 BTC [-] {2} 
1016527;1423732874;ben_vulpes;and now skinnkavaj, eh?
1016528;1423732947;ben_vulpes;!up skinnkavaj
1016529;1423733009;skinnkavaj;Anyone know if kakobrekla's trading site offers trading with oil?
1016530;1423733026;skinnkavaj;and what was your question ben_vulpes :)
1016531;1423733085;ben_vulpes;thought you were flappin.
1016532;1423733089;ben_vulpes;!up Vexual
1016533;1423733098;ben_vulpes;hey hey the gangs all here
1016534;1423733112;Vexual;If it doesn't it should
1016535;1423733145;Vexual;Hey bro. How hangs em?
1016536;1423733208;Vexual;What is this fuxking night shift?
1016537;1423733223;ben_vulpes;https://bitbet.us/browse/ << skinnkavaj i'd start there
1016538;1423733224;assbot;Browse BitBet ... ( http://bit.ly/1KMnVcB )
1016539;1423733341;Vexual;What happens when Belgium drop s Greece and I can't rate punk
1016540;1423733489;ben_vulpes;dunno but i'm off for the night
1016541;1423733563;Vexual;I suppose that the beer gets better generally. And that's about the sum yeah??
1016542;1423733605;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6389 @ 0.00041858 = 2.6743 BTC [+]
1016543;1423733617;Vexual;Ciao
1016544;1423733695;Vexual;Greek beer is fucking excellent.
1016545;1423733758;Vexual;Twist of orange? Ya couldn't do that anywhere else on earth
1016546;1423734032;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 60650 @ 0.00042678 = 25.8842 BTC [+] {4} 
1016547;1423736289;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 43857 @ 0.00043351 = 19.0124 BTC [+] {2} 
1016548;1423737753;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11650 @ 0.00043454 = 5.0624 BTC [+]
1016549;1423738973;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7350 @ 0.00042858 = 3.1501 BTC [-]
1016550;1423740071;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7900 @ 0.0004317 = 3.4104 BTC [+] {2} 
1016551;1423740498;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7850 @ 0.00043115 = 3.3845 BTC [-] {2} 
1016552;1423741047;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 47800 @ 0.00043454 = 20.771 BTC [+]
1016553;1423741474;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3050 @ 0.00042615 = 1.2998 BTC [-]
1016554;1423741612;mircea_popescu;eh wtf is this.
1016555;1423742003;mircea_popescu;whaack: I think multisig for that reason is retarded, I thought the main purpose is for personal use to reduce the chance I fuck something up << why do you think your personal measures against fucking something up should be world-readable ?
1016556;1423742051;fluffypony;thanks mircea_popescu
1016557;1423742053;mircea_popescu;if i keep a spare pair of panties in my briefcase in case i shit myself, i do not send a record of their purchase to the new york times, for publication in their news section, nor do i send the unfortunate reports of the occurence for the obit section.
1016558;1423742057;fluffypony;was starting to get on my nerves
1016559;1423742062;mircea_popescu;fluffypony a that. i imagine.
1016560;1423742075;mircea_popescu;wtf ban evasion is this, can be arsed to avoid a ban, can't be arsed to fix bouncer.
1016561;1423742120;mircea_popescu;whaack: It seems like something that takes a little bravery other than just holding and seeing which chain wins << what exact bravery does it take ? you get dollars for it.
1016562;1423742127;mircea_popescu;takes exactly as much bravery as eating cake.
1016563;1423742203;mircea_popescu;whaack: anyways I came here to ask if you guys have btc entrepreneurial ideas that you think are good but just don't have time to get around to << jobs pop up occasionally. you have to read the log to have a chance at them. this is intentional.
1016564;1423742213;mircea_popescu;why am i even talking at this guy anyway.
1016565;1423742286;fluffypony;oh my Pogo Plugs just arrived!
1016566;1423742393;mircea_popescu;o hey cool.
1016567;1423742694;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11200 @ 0.00042617 = 4.7731 BTC [+]
1016568;1423742812;mircea_popescu;iiincredible how chrome ate firefox' lunch.
1016569;1423743060;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3183 @ 0.00042615 = 1.3564 BTC [-]
1016570;1423743224;mircea_popescu;for the record, i've made a complete backup of tlp's site. 702 articles it has.
1016571;1423743365;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6781 @ 0.00042649 = 2.892 BTC [+] {2} 
1016572;1423743522;mircea_popescu;"Except the argument isn't grounded in reality. Saying something vague like "people need these drugs," misses the immediate point: which drugs? On what grounds is it even possible to say that people "need something" that didn't exist until a company created it?"
1016573;1423743525;mircea_popescu;heh heh.
1016574;1423743561;mircea_popescu;"The problem, in part, in this debate arises from scientists confusing discovery or research with invention. Looked at in terms of the production of novel material, certain distinctions can be made. Discovery and research are not creative acts. While they require creative thinking, they do not add anything materially new to the world. Alternatively, invention is the act of creating something that did not exist. There w
1016575;1423743561;mircea_popescu;as no Prozac or Tylenol until someone invented it."
1016576;1423743571;mircea_popescu;but... if it didn't exist... then how was it that "the company" made it ?!
1016577;1423743617;mircea_popescu;was there no gold before mendeleev ? or what, did he invent "eka-aluminium" ?
1016578;1423743630;mircea_popescu;does all gallium belong to mendeleev's estate now ?
1016579;1423745012;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12919 @ 0.00042651 = 5.5101 BTC [+]
1016580;1423747479;thestringpuller;oh hey, wassup romanian camel guy
1016581;1423748672;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19385 @ 0.00042915 = 8.3191 BTC [+] {2} 
1016582;1423749046;mircea_popescu;!up clyfe
1016583;1423749160;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22300 @ 0.00043454 = 9.6902 BTC [+]
1016584;1423751309;chetty;and this is a bloody nightmare: http://www.breitbart.com/video/2015/02/11/fcc-commissioner-proposed-internet-regulation-mimics-obamacare/
1016585;1423751309;assbot;FCC Commissioner: Proposed Internet Regulation 'Mimics Obamacare' - Breitbart ... ( http://bit.ly/16XIJ1X )
1016586;1423751469;scoopbot;New post on Trilema by Mircea Popescu: http://trilema.com/2015/synonymy-is-a-myth/
1016587;1423751906;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6000 @ 0.00043556 = 2.6134 BTC [+] {2} 
1016588;1423752088;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5550 @ 0.0004358 = 2.4187 BTC [+]
1016589;1423752881;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15550 @ 0.00043595 = 6.779 BTC [+] {2} 
1016590;1423752909;mircea_popescu;http://www.breitbart.com/video/2015/02/11/fcc-commissioner-proposed-internet-regulation-mimics-obamacare/
1016591;1423752910;assbot;FCC Commissioner: Proposed Internet Regulation 'Mimics Obamacare' - Breitbart ... ( http://bit.ly/16XIJ1X )
1016592;1423752974;mircea_popescu;�adopting a solution that won�t work to a problem that doesn�t exist using legal authority we don�t have,�
1016593;1423753049;mircea_popescu;�nowhere does the agency identify any kind of systemic harm in the Internet economy, but nonetheless it invents one in order to regulate it, and so it�s this classic situation where we�re adopting a solution that won�t work to a problem that doesn�t exist using legal authority we don�t have.�
1016594;1423753056;mircea_popescu;pill to bitcoin ? burn down the internet!
1016595;1423753090;mircea_popescu;mebbe qntra worthy.
1016596;1423753430;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4250 @ 0.00043637 = 1.8546 BTC [+]
1016597;1423753918;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7600 @ 0.00042685 = 3.2441 BTC [-]
1016598;1423754406;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6357 @ 0.00043637 = 2.774 BTC [+]
1016599;1423755138;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5277 @ 0.00043644 = 2.3031 BTC [+] {2} 
1016600;1423755587;scoopbot;New post on Trilema by Mircea Popescu: http://trilema.com/2015/statistics-still-the-hardest-part-of-math/
1016601;1423756846;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22450 @ 0.00042581 = 9.5594 BTC [-] {3} 
1016602;1423757466;asciilifeform;FCC Commissioner: Proposed Internet Regulation 'Mimics Obamacare' << astroturf and misdirection. regardless of which branch of usg is at the helm (fcc or verizon) - the train will still end up at the same stop: http://www.loper-os.org/?p=208
1016603;1423757467;assbot;Loper OS » “The Internet of the Future” ... ( http://bit.ly/1CZsTSk )
1016604;1423757517;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15600 @ 0.00042481 = 6.627 BTC [-]
1016605;1423757802;danielpbarron;;;isitup bitcoin-assets.com
1016606;1423757803;gribble;Error: "isitup" is not a valid command.
1016607;1423757808;danielpbarron;;;isdown bitcoin-assets.com
1016608;1423757808;gribble;Error: "isdown" is not a valid command.
1016609;1423757822;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16950 @ 0.0004366 = 7.4004 BTC [+] {2} 
1016610;1423757878;danielpbarron;;;isup bitcoin-assets.com
1016611;1423757879;gribble;bitcoin-assets.com is up
1016612;1423758084;mike_c;;;isitdown bitcoin-assets.com
1016613;1423758085;gribble;bitcoin-assets.com is up
1016614;1423758109;asciilifeform;works great here
1016615;1423758142;mike_c;;;seen mthreat
1016616;1423758143;gribble;mthreat was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 1 week, 0 days, 22 hours, 40 minutes, and 6 seconds ago: <mthreat> <+mircea_popescu> ... << yeh but how are we to verify! <<  I actually got pics of me holding up the blockchain iPhone app transaction, in front of the Port Lockroy building with a sign visible!
1016617;1423758185;danielpbarron;very strange; i can ping it from my irc machine, and not from my laptop
1016618;1423758208;mircea_popescu;is your laptop on the fccinternet ?
1016619;1423758291;asciilifeform;l0l
1016620;1423758369;*;danielpbarron checks for black vans outside
1016621;1423758981;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20399 @ 0.00042385 = 8.6461 BTC [-] {2} 
1016622;1423760323;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15300 @ 0.00043734 = 6.6913 BTC [+] {3} 
1016623;1423761727;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6335 @ 0.00043663 = 2.7661 BTC [-]
1016624;1423762256;ben_vulpes;and now thestringpuller's flapping...
1016625;1423763068;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12050 @ 0.00043663 = 5.2614 BTC [-]
1016626;1423763312;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5560 @ 0.00043766 = 2.4334 BTC [+]
1016627;1423763691;mthreat;mike_c: i'm here
1016628;1423763715;mike_c;hello!  have you seen the recent revival of the stemming argument.
1016629;1423763723;mthreat;no
1016630;1423763754;mike_c;the argument is basically that stemming is making it harder to find things on search.b-a, not easier
1016631;1423763781;mthreat;ok. i can turn it off easily, (and back on later if we want).
1016632;1423763794;mike_c;that would be great.
1016633;1423763826;mike_c;i think no-stemming, but having prefix-wildcards should satisfy everyone
1016634;1423763968;mthreat;ok, will be ready in a few minutes with stemming off.  prefix wildcards are always on.
1016635;1423763979;mike_c;awesome. thanks.
1016636;1423763981;mthreat;np
1016637;1423765020;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5200 @ 0.00043766 = 2.2758 BTC [+]
1016638;1423765874;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10050 @ 0.00043663 = 4.3881 BTC [-]
1016639;1423765944;pete_dushenski;http://www.contravex.com/2015/02/12/fuckin-diddle-her-twat/
1016640;1423765945;assbot;Fuckin’ diddle her twat. | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski ... ( http://bit.ly/1KOzsbo )
1016641;1423766205;pete_dushenski;;;ticker
1016642;1423766206;gribble;Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 222.15, Best ask: 222.21, Bid-ask spread: 0.06000, Last trade: 222.15, 24 hour volume: 6238.07681239, 24 hour low: 217.99, 24 hour high: 222.99, 24 hour vwap: 220.711036885
1016643;1423766301;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9445 @ 0.00043899 = 4.1463 BTC [+] {2} 
1016644;1423766365;pete_dushenski;!up thestringpuller_
1016645;1423766385;thestringpuller_;I got ddosed :(
1016646;1423766399;pete_dushenski;cloak went down ?
1016647;1423766405;thestringpuller_;yea during netsplit
1016648;1423766427;thestringpuller_;no other explanation for internet go down, and it's more than circumstantial that internet went down shortly after cloak went down
1016649;1423766467;mike_c;asciilifeform: stemming is off search.b-a.  give it a whirl sometime.
1016650;1423766528;thestringpuller_;don't seem to get ddosed from freenode tho
1016651;1423766544;thestringpuller_;from freenode webchat***
1016652;1423766570;mike_c;maybe the regex isn't too good
1016653;1423766638;jurov;^ why i never relied on cloak
1016654;1423766660;thestringpuller_;jurov: what method do you use?
1016655;1423766660;thestringpuller_;for ddos mitigation
1016656;1423766681;jurov;micro vps behind aws firewall
1016657;1423766707;thestringpuller_;I'll give that a shot when Amazon approves my fucking Amazon payments account.
1016658;1423766731;jurov;AWS is different entity from amazon warehouse
1016659;1423766768;thestringpuller_;they prefer to use Amazon Payments for billing tho for that
1016660;1423766780;jurov;i never noticed
1016661;1423766787;jurov;use normal debit card
1016662;1423766788;thestringpuller_;oh
1016663;1423766789;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9254 @ 0.00043663 = 4.0406 BTC [-]
1016664;1423766801;thestringpuller_;Yea I don't have debit cards.
1016665;1423766807;thestringpuller_;I pay for everything with cash in hand.
1016666;1423766821;jurov;ah so. also, unlike amazon store aws needs your dox.
1016667;1423766832;thestringpuller_;Yea
1016668;1423766835;thestringpuller_;all that stuff
1016669;1423766841;thestringpuller_;"ARE U TERRORIST?"
1016670;1423766875;jurov;i have no problems spinning off instances for wot members, can do it for you
1016671;1423766904;jurov;they have pretty comprehensive access rights system to safely allow it
1016672;1423766942;thestringpuller_;won't they fine you for giving resources to someone who is not "in the system" lol
1016673;1423766950;thestringpuller_;aka "You can't buy bitcoins with cash because children and stuffs"
1016674;1423766972;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23400 @ 0.00043926 = 10.2787 BTC [+]
1016675;1423767001;jurov;how will they know? many shartups resell aws right and left, too
1016676;1423767155;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 2372 @ 0.0008137 = 1.9301 BTC [-] {22} 
1016677;1423767216;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 7627 @ 0.00077322 = 5.8973 BTC [-] {27} 
1016678;1423767521;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20382 @ 0.00043926 = 8.953 BTC [+]
1016679;1423767861;pete_dushenski;so apparently paris is going right off the deep end with its "anti-pollution" nonsense
1016680;1423767879;pete_dushenski;as of july 2015, no cars built before 1997 will be permitted in the city centre
1016681;1423767915;pete_dushenski;by 2020, diesels made after 2011 won't be allowed in
1016682;1423767947;pete_dushenski;all this to try to "stimulate" the economy and "encourage" people to take transit
1016683;1423767977;pete_dushenski;i'm all for walkable cities, but taking some and not all cars off the road strikes of lunacy
1016684;1423768022;pete_dushenski;peugeot, citroen, renault probably think this'll help them
1016685;1423768035;pete_dushenski;like some sekrit bailout that no one has to know about
1016686;1423768192;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10565 @ 0.00043405 = 4.5857 BTC [-] {3} 
1016687;1423768206;pete_dushenski;though this rule is only in effect from 8am to 8pm daily
1016688;1423768209;pete_dushenski;source: http://fr.reuters.com/article/topNews/idFRKBN0LD19920150209
1016689;1423768210;assbot;    Le plan anti-pollution de la maire de Paris adopté| À la Une| Reuters ... ( http://bit.ly/1yrhOSk )
1016690;1423768296;pete_dushenski;do we have anyone other than davout from france here ?
1016691;1423768306;pete_dushenski;i seem to recall one other at least...
1016692;1423768491;mike_c;he left cuz we're a cult.
1016693;1423768531;pete_dushenski;lol o that's right
1016694;1423768531;jurov;;;sell 1 "AWS VPS servers" at 1 BTC "Prepaid for at least one month. AWS price * 1.25 / BitstampUSD. Any other related expenses (like bandwidth) charged extra at same rate. Must abide AWS ToS and react properly to any abuse notices."
1016695;1423768532;gribble;Order id 22002 created.
1016696;1423768543;jurov;ha. hustle must go on.
1016697;1423768559;pete_dushenski;i pushed panks over the edge, didn't i
1016698;1423768565;pete_dushenski;"France’s Total plans to cut 2,000 jobs, sell assets after big loss in oil markets"
1016699;1423768582;pete_dushenski;^not going to be helped by moar efficiency
1016700;1423768591;mircea_popescu;heh
1016701;1423768603;pete_dushenski;but hey, iatrogenics are on purpose sometimes!
1016702;1423768671;mircea_popescu;i have no words to describe how derpy argentines are.
1016703;1423768704;pete_dushenski;cut them some slack eh
1016704;1423768711;pete_dushenski;when was their last king ?
1016705;1423768728;mircea_popescu;<mthreat> np << o hey, how's the south pole ?
1016706;1423768816;mircea_popescu;pete_dushenski basically what i see is a cargo cult generation. if you've ever seen monty python's twit of the year sketch that's basiclaly the idea.
1016707;1423768829;mircea_popescu;their grandparents were pretty cool. their parents rather mediocre. now they're fucked in the head.
1016708;1423768850;mircea_popescu;they kinda get a very superficial formal thing about granpa, but otherwise the head dun work.
1016709;1423768866;mircea_popescu;argentina is set for a much more major collapse than anyone seems to realise.
1016710;1423768939;pete_dushenski;hm. not sure that anyone is giving the 'tines much in the way of odds these days
1016711;1423768959;pete_dushenski;other than thumbing their nose at teh american judges, they don't seem to be thriving
1016712;1423768967;pete_dushenski;but hey, these days, who is ?
1016713;1423768992;mircea_popescu;france :D
1016714;1423769000;pete_dushenski;lol!
1016715;1423769021;pete_dushenski;mebbe that's why kakkes left.
1016716;1423769052;mircea_popescu;anyway, it's a great place, but the people are inept to a degree that can not even be put into words. doesn't even look like a year's famine would be enough, more biblical measures required, 30 years in the desert, stuff like that.
1016717;1423769114;pete_dushenski;the weather will do that
1016718;1423769143;pete_dushenski;see northern mediterraneans
1016719;1423769189;*;pete_dushenski having a laugh watching "twit of the year"
1016720;1423769263;ben_vulpes;pete_dushenski: i'm all for banning cars.
1016721;1423769266;ben_vulpes;horrid invention.
1016722;1423769274;mircea_popescu;"no cars in town" is not a bad idea.
1016723;1423769276;ben_vulpes;especially in the mass production everyone having one.
1016724;1423769284;ben_vulpes;they're brutal on the roads.
1016725;1423769299;pete_dushenski;ben_vulpes: that's like saying "the car is a horrid invention because i don't like windoze"
1016726;1423769302;ben_vulpes;roads themselves aren't expensive, nor the maintenance thereof but rather the wear and tear from 2-ton tardboxes
1016727;1423769307;mircea_popescu;pete_dushenski right. those twits ? their dad was nobody, some anon derp with, as orwell put it, "Well-meaning, over-civilized men, in dark suits and black felt hats, with neatly rolled umbrellas crooked over the left forearm, were imposing their constipated view of life"
1016728;1423769307;pete_dushenski;s/car/computer
1016729;1423769316;mircea_popescu;but the grandfather was you know, "peccavi"
1016730;1423769358;mircea_popescu;General Sir Charles James Napier, GCB
1016731;1423769361;ben_vulpes;pete_dushenski: well i exaggerate for btclulz. clearly *you* are deserving of your mercs and what have you, but the state of every pleb in their own plastic wheelbox has got to go.
1016732;1423769386;ben_vulpes;and yes, the "computer" as a modern invention (from the c machine on forwards to the consumer laptop) is an entirely awful fork in the technological roadmap.
1016733;1423769401;ben_vulpes;see previous thread about "wake me when compute costs 1btc/hr".
1016734;1423769408;pete_dushenski;well i'm hardly going to disagree that everyone getting something "just as good" makes the whole lot of us worse off
1016735;1423769465;mircea_popescu;soo... slavedrawn mercs ?
1016736;1423769467;pete_dushenski;no cars in town is a perfectly sensible idea in most parts of the world
1016737;1423769504;pete_dushenski;lol well the thing drinks like 30L/100km so that's a lot of (indirect) slave labour from the oil sands up north
1016738;1423769507;ben_vulpes;for all that it's a communist paradise, portland does get this right. lots of super annoying stop lights on major thoroughfares throughout the east side.
1016739;1423769528;ben_vulpes;east side being mostly residential, mostly small streets.
1016740;1423769530;pete_dushenski;iirc there was a german city that was going to all-out ban cars in the city centre
1016741;1423769536;pete_dushenski;a sizeable city it was
1016742;1423769565;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes that's the wrong approach imo.
1016743;1423769571;mircea_popescu;like the fucking speed bumps.
1016744;1423769571;pete_dushenski;as to whether this works in the populated arctic... i dunno
1016745;1423769586;mircea_popescu;i don't need to be jostled just because sopme other fuckhead can't drive at his speed.
1016746;1423769793;pete_dushenski;ah, it was hamburg
1016747;1423769814;pete_dushenski;and it aims to be car-free in the city centre... by 2034
1016748;1423769871;pete_dushenski;which is reasonable given that in 20 years the serene republic will own it as a summer resort ;)
1016749;1423769889;mircea_popescu;except this is a naked problem of power. i would be ok with a "no cars" town in which i personally can drive if i feel like.
1016750;1423769904;mircea_popescu;i will not be ok with a "no cars" town in which the fucking mayor/police/you get to drive if you feel like
1016751;1423769912;mircea_popescu;and by "not ok" i mean i will fucking shoot you over it.
1016752;1423769918;mircea_popescu;this being a bit of a problem, practically.
1016753;1423769970;pete_dushenski;well imagine that there will be "no car" rules in most major cities in 20 years
1016754;1423769986;mircea_popescu;in the sense of "no cars for you"
1016755;1423769996;pete_dushenski;and that #b-a badges and #b-a plates will roam the streets freely
1016756;1423770003;mircea_popescu;which yes, it has to happen, because most "major cities" are inhabited by... twits.
1016757;1423770050;pete_dushenski;because no city mayor/police/etc can very well stand in the way of the leaders of the free world
1016758;1423770097;mircea_popescu;"Marching gets our message out."  No it doesn't, it gets CNN's message out.  "We don't watch CNN, we use the internet."   Yet given the infinity of the internet you still surf the same 5 websites, looking for and finding exactly what you want, like a baby playing peekaboo in a mirror over and over and over and over and over and over and...
1016759;1423770102;mircea_popescu;this tlp guy... i love him.
1016760;1423770815;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13550 @ 0.00043926 = 5.952 BTC [+]
1016761;1423772080;mthreat;<+mircea_popescu> o hey, how's the south pole ? << well technically we only got to just past 60 degrees south latitude, but it was cool. Lots of penguins, whales, killer whales, seals, ice, and mountains.  And retirees, on the boat.
1016762;1423772098;mircea_popescu;lol
1016763;1423772106;mircea_popescu;you made it on everyone;s bucket list boat.
1016764;1423772157;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19423 @ 0.00042634 = 8.2808 BTC [-] {2} 
1016765;1423772218;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 37677 @ 0.00041373 = 15.5881 BTC [-] {3} 
1016766;1423772306;ben_vulpes;but did you you know *make it* in the bucket list boat?
1016767;1423772873;mircea_popescu;innit kinda cold '?
1016768;1423773317;mthreat;lowest temp was about -1 C.  It's summer in antarctica.
1016769;1423773333;mthreat;wind is a factor sometimes. highest wind we saw was 60 mph
1016770;1423773684;mircea_popescu;ah
1016771;1423774109;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5000 @ 0.00043051 = 2.1526 BTC [+]
1016772;1423774476;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31000 @ 0.00043736 = 13.5582 BTC [+] {4} 
1016773;1423775256;pete_dushenski;https://twitter.com/stevejennings1/status/558577556749037569/photo/1 << dear pankkake, we're a culture, not a cult!
1016774;1423775257;assbot;Culture or cult? by /davegray Cc /goonth /petervan /jhagel /TomLaForge /umairh /shelleykuipers /katrynadow /gringreen http://t.co/BmNccK0s6h
1016775;1423775401;mircea_popescu;the difference is negligible.
1016776;1423775449;punkman;all I see is cornholes
1016777;1423775573;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15120 @ 0.00042956 = 6.4949 BTC [-]
1016778;1423775696;punkman;https://twitter.com/timkmak/status/565595253319938049/photo/1
1016779;1423775698;assbot;**Putin arrives at airport, gets in line at customs**Customs officer: "Occupation?"Putin: "No, just visiting!" http://t.co/KRn6iYRkkm
1016780;1423776435;cazalla;you guys and your city living
1016781;1423776732;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13600 @ 0.00041673 = 5.6675 BTC [-]
1016782;1423777221;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15350 @ 0.00041271 = 6.3351 BTC [-] {2} 
1016783;1423777769;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16931 @ 0.00041127 = 6.9632 BTC [-] {3} 
1016784;1423778255;cazalla;!up thestringpuller
1016785;1423778276;thestringpuller;thx cazalla
1016786;1423778293;thestringpuller;how is assets today?
1016787;1423778314;PeterL;quite quiet
1016788;1423778341;thestringpuller;i got ddosed I think. AT&T claimed it was a power surge on their DNS server rack but that didn't make sense
1016789;1423778362;thestringpuller;i hit a netsplit and the second my ip was showing the router started showing a lot of traffic
1016790;1423778423;PeterL;why does freenode show ip addresses anyway?
1016791;1423778523;fluffypony;why do any IRC servers show IP addresses
1016792;1423778529;fluffypony;like it's frikkin 1996
1016793;1423778605;PeterL;seems hard to believe this is the first time somebody used irc ip addresses to target attacks?
1016794;1423778636;mircea_popescu;PeterL because the last tiem anyone thought about this it was 1996, and the next time anyone wil lthink about this it will be to systemdize it
1016795;1423778653;mircea_popescu;this is the first time powerful people were involved in irc, since also 1996.
1016796;1423778902;BingoBoingo;Tried building some stock versions of bitcoin-qt on OpenBSD last night. Here's the tail end of the compiler output where the errors spring forth from: http://dpaste.com/2RDXRT1
1016797;1423778903;assbot;dpaste: 2RDXRT1 ... ( http://bit.ly/16ZY1CZ )
1016798;1423778969;BingoBoingo;Build fine for a while, hit's a brick wall on protocol.cpp
1016799;1423779061;BingoBoingo;^ Particular instance there was stock 0.5.3
1016800;1423779105;danielpbarron;http://www.mail-archive.com/bitcoin-development@lists.sourceforge.net/msg07020.html "As such, the blockchain can never support All The Transactions, even
1016801;1423779106;assbot;Re: [Bitcoin-development] replace-by-fee v0.10.0rc4 ... ( http://bit.ly/16ZZ99H )
1016802;1423779110;danielpbarron;if block size increases beyond 20MB."
1016803;1423779114;BingoBoingo;!up ascii_field
1016804;1423779118;ascii_field;danke BingoBoingo
1016805;1423779138;ascii_field;BingoBoingo: if you want to build on bsd, set the ifdefs as if for mac
1016806;1423779153;BingoBoingo;ascii danke
1016807;1423779197;BingoBoingo;Digging through old porting efforts I get the feeling some linux settings use linux only functions in a pulse audio manner
1016808;1423779355;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7975 @ 0.00041068 = 3.2752 BTC [-] {2} 
1016809;1423779427;thestringpuller;ugh pulse audio needs to die
1016810;1423779599;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5157 @ 0.0004104 = 2.1164 BTC [-]
1016811;1423779660;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10190 @ 0.00040904 = 4.1681 BTC [-] {2} 
1016812;1423779965;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 200 @ 0.00540625 = 1.0813 BTC [-] {8} 
1016813;1423780100;PeterL;!up thestringpuller
1016814;1423780162;[]bot;Bet placed: 1.9999 BTC for No on "The Winkdex: BTC $5000 or more in 2015" http://bitbet.us/bet/1104/ Odds: 14(Y):86(N) by coin, 15(Y):85(N) by weight. Total bet: 67.9229 BTC. Current weight: 90,943.
1016815;1423780293;[]bot;Bet placed: 2.9989 BTC for No on "The Winkdex: BTC $5000 or more in 2015" http://bitbet.us/bet/1104/ Odds: 14(Y):86(N) by coin, 14(Y):86(N) by weight. Total bet: 70.9218 BTC. Current weight: 90,942.
1016816;1423780392;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11536 @ 0.00041993 = 4.8443 BTC [+] {3} 
1016817;1423780950;BingoBoingo;!up ascii_field
1016818;1423781063;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18253 @ 0.00043174 = 7.8806 BTC [+]
1016819;1423781312;thestringpuller;thanks PeterL
1016820;1423781781;mod6;BingoBoingo: you trying to v0.5.3 on BSD?
1016821;1423781795;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24789 @ 0.00043756 = 10.8467 BTC [+] {3} 
1016822;1423782162;mod6;!up thestringpuller
1016823;1423782227;BingoBoingo;mod6: I'm trying to Bitcoin-qt on BSD. Waiting until night when it's colder so I can compile in the garage so I have more thermal headroom. Unlike the linux I'd been using OpenBSD respects this machine's temperature sensors.
1016824;1423782285;mod6;ah, well anyway, i'm pretty close to having v0.5.3.1 building on freebsd
1016825;1423782322;ascii_field;ditto netbsd
1016826;1423782327;mod6;(having a linking problem related to this: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/blob/v0.6.1/src/util.cpp#L14)
1016827;1423782329;assbot;bitcoin/util.cpp at v0.6.1 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1voFlTE )
1016828;1423782344;BingoBoingo;I'm at the firing in anger stage of quitting linux, so moving the tools I use to OpenBSD.
1016829;1423782359;mod6;but im using boost 1.55, and i think i need to be using 1.42 which is horribru to get working so far.
1016830;1423782367;mod6;anyway, with protocol.cpp:
1016831;1423782369;mod6;add:
1016832;1423782443;mod6;#include <netinet/in.h>
1016833;1423782443;mod6;#include <sys/socket.h>
1016834;1423782461;mod6;at least, that's what I had do to do.
1016835;1423782526;mod6;*had to do
1016836;1423782663;danielpbarron;haha BingoBoingo i have a fan that i clip under my laptop to cool during compiles
1016837;1423782668;thestringpuller;ugh boost is annoying to get working if you don't have the exact version
1016838;1423782686;PeterL;what does boost do?
1016839;1423782694;thestringpuller;It's a C++ extension library
1016840;1423782700;thestringpuller;to add things like threads and other random bullshit
1016841;1423782717;BingoBoingo;It exists because the CPP standard library sucks
1016842;1423782718;thestringpuller;It would be amazing if mod6 and ben_vulpes could rip it out of the code completely
1016843;1423782718;assbot;AMAZING COMPANY!
1016844;1423782720;PeterL;those are not available in c++?
1016845;1423782742;thestringpuller;no they aren't
1016846;1423782769;thestringpuller;you have to build it yourself or use another library
1016847;1423782781;thestringpuller;and as BingoBoingo just said, CPP standard lib is terrible
1016848;1423782794;thestringpuller;its like libc done wrong ~_~
1016849;1423782798;PeterL;then why do so many people use it?
1016850;1423782814;BingoBoingo;PeterL: Because it is what they get paid to use
1016851;1423782856;thestringpuller;don't think satoshi had a sense of smell for code or would have known he was building bricks from excrement
1016852;1423782884;PeterL;what would you want to build in if you had a choice?
1016853;1423782912;thestringpuller;i would build everything in assembly
1016854;1423782914;thestringpuller;jk
1016855;1423783442;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3950 @ 0.00043159 = 1.7048 BTC [-]
1016856;1423784174;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23800 @ 0.00042107 = 10.0215 BTC [-] {2} 
1016857;1423784278;mircea_popescu;!up hegemoOn
1016858;1423784304;hegemoOn;thank you
1016859;1423784374;mircea_popescu;sure.
1016860;1423784378;mircea_popescu;!up blz
1016861;1423784723;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2600 @ 0.00042519 = 1.1055 BTC [+]
1016862;1423785555;danielpbarron;https://www.haiku-os.org/about/faq#top_4 "Haiku is not a Linux distribution, nor does it use the Linux kernel." << is this worth looking into? I don't know much about it.
1016863;1423785556;assbot;General FAQ | Haiku Project ... ( http://bit.ly/17pw1de )
1016864;1423786010;mircea_popescu;might be yes
1016865;1423786264;danielpbarron;lol they take donations through coinbase
1016866;1423786276;danielpbarron;i'm trying to buy a cd but it doesn't look like they sell one
1016867;1423786828;asciilifeform;http://seclists.org/fulldisclosure/2015/Feb/42
1016868;1423786829;assbot;Full Disclosure: CVE-2014-6412 - WordPress (all versions) lacks CSPRNG ... ( http://bit.ly/17pCkxx )
1016869;1423786869;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu ^
1016870;1423786901;asciilifeform;danielpbarron: haiku << yet another 'c os', but with questionable posixness and 'we're different because we're special' derp
1016871;1423786933;asciilifeform;danielpbarron: on top of that, x86-32 (yes) only
1016872;1423787041;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19953 @ 0.00042327 = 8.4455 BTC [-] {2} 
1016873;1423787081;BingoBoingo;Haiku >> BeOS resurrection attempt. Neverming that BeOS and the BeBox were Power PC
1016874;1423787122;asciilifeform;beos minus the ui or the commercial softs
1016875;1423787124;asciilifeform;and minus the be.
1016876;1423787259;BingoBoingo;That too
1016877;1423787511;BingoBoingo;And incredibly slow to get to the point of resembling anything, much less being anything https://www.freelists.org/post/haiku/Haiku-selfhosting
1016878;1423787512;assbot;[openbeos] Haiku self-hosting. - openbeos - FreeLists ... ( http://bit.ly/17pFHEu )
1016879;1423787580;asciilifeform;bebox, afaik, never had anything like 1g of ram
1016880;1423787595;asciilifeform;and was famous for smooth real-time interaction
1016881;1423787600;asciilifeform;(film editors, etc.)
1016882;1423787637;asciilifeform;these idiots - don't deserve so much as the time of day.
1016883;1423787673;BingoBoingo;Also bebox was one good looking piece of hardware
1016884;1423787796;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform this is not news ?
1016885;1423787874;mircea_popescu;kindawhy all the bruteforcing of wp blog admin pws.
1016886;1423787999;asciilifeform;in that sense, not news
1016887;1423788012;asciilifeform;in other news,
1016888;1423788017;asciilifeform;http://i.imgur.com/EuoNzHn.jpg << picked this up for later.
1016889;1423788019;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/170EIcO )
1016890;1423788026;asciilifeform;~17 usd.
1016891;1423788036;asciilifeform;available in qty. $maxint
1016892;1423788059;asciilifeform;(all the ports on the box are visible in the photo)
1016893;1423788261;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9598 @ 0.00040889 = 3.9245 BTC [-]
1016894;1423788308;mike_c;oddly hypnotic:  http://i.imgur.com/JHBwH3f.jpg
1016895;1423788309;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/170FCGc )
1016896;1423788466;jurov;i can't find myself :'(
1016897;1423788730;mike_c;jurov: you're three right of mircea.  thestringpuller is crowding you with his long name.
1016898;1423788733;mike_c;https://s3.amazonaws.com/btcalpha/static/foobar.svg
1016899;1423788735;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/170HBdB )
1016900;1423788873;jurov;i guessed it right
1016901;1423788904;mike_c;magicaltux is just past 3 o'clock.  lots of thick red lines incoming :)
1016902;1423788919;jurov;yes,. guessed that too
1016903;1423789070;jurov;!up brendafdez
1016904;1423789078;jurov;hi brenda
1016905;1423789294;jurov;!up brendafdez
1016906;1423789323;brendafdez;thanks
1016907;1423789412;brendafdez;I was considering seeing that most anyone is running a ponzi scheme on facebook, I wouldn twant to miss out, but your opinion on the matter would be greatly appreciated. What would you consider an appropriate domain name?
1016908;1423789412;brendafdez;Either for the ponzi scheme or for a perosnal blog, i'm still not sure which one to do first ;)
1016909;1423789449;brendafdez;i did read the DNS post, thankfully my own name and the domain i use for pretty much everything start with br already
1016910;1423789451;jurov;lol why us?
1016911;1423789460;brendafdez;because
1016912;1423789488;jurov;!s forlorn
1016913;1423789489;assbot;1 results for 'forlorn' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=forlorn
1016914;1423789499;jurov;^my ideas, free to use
1016915;1423789523;BingoBoingo;!b 9
1016916;1423789524;assbot;Last 9 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/2DTS8R8.txt )
1016917;1423789585;brendafdez;^facebook^bitcoin
1016918;1423789603;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12600 @ 0.00040889 = 5.152 BTC [-]
1016919;1423789681;BingoBoingo;brendafdez: If you really want to run a ponzi scheme you might be better off on Friendster. Facebook is pretty much a law enforcement honeypot anymore.
1016920;1423789724;brendafdez;I meant bitcoin instead of facebook, I trid to replace the word later ;)
1016921;1423789734;BingoBoingo;And ponzi schemes are so passe. Better just go back to the old Black Hand racket.
1016922;1423789758;jurov;brendafdez: won't you rather do an affiliate for honest-to-God dice game?
1016923;1423789785;brendafdez;provable fairness is not my cup of tea
1016924;1423789793;jurov;!b 1
1016925;1423789794;assbot;Last 1 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/14P0T6H.txt )
1016926;1423790031;brendafdez;well, honestly, i was kidding with the ponzi scheme, even though I own the domain ponzify.me which i think will serve me well sometime in the future. During a bad hangover I thought it would be a good idea to so something there, along the lines of a game which simulates a ponzi scheme, but open and hones, where all funds received in each round are distributed in their entirety, and I only profit from a small fee deducted from each, and the hash
1016927;1423790041;mod6;<+asciilifeform> http://i.imgur.com/EuoNzHn.jpg << picked this up for later. << cool! deck of cards cca. 1955
1016928;1423790043;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/170NIyE )
1016929;1423790080;jurov;http://bitcoinpyramid.com/ << brendafdez, old idea
1016930;1423790081;assbot;Bitcoin Pyramid ... ( http://bit.ly/170NTtJ )
1016931;1423790087;brendafdez;oh :(
1016932;1423790107;scoopbot;New post on Qntra.net by Bingo Boingo: http://qntra.net/2015/02/bill-would-ban-federal-employees-from-porn-breaks-at-work/
1016933;1423790112;mod6;mike_c: that's an awesome graph. did you generate that?
1016934;1423790122;cazalla;brendafdez, don't the good ideas come prior to the hang over?
1016935;1423790150;brendafdez;if they were to come i wouldn't care much about the timing
1016936;1423790201;mike_c;mod6: yeah
1016937;1423790210;mod6;very cool
1016938;1423790313;[]bot;Bet placed: 2 BTC for No on "BTC to rally to $4000 before July 2015" http://bitbet.us/bet/1026/ Odds: 8(Y):92(N) by coin, 10(Y):90(N) by weight. Total bet: 16.0199 BTC. Current weight: 38,912.
1016939;1423790315;[]bot;Bet placed: 2 BTC for No on "The Winkdex: BTC $5000 or more in 2015" http://bitbet.us/bet/1104/ Odds: 13(Y):87(N) by coin, 14(Y):86(N) by weight. Total bet: 72.9218 BTC. Current weight: 90,906.
1016940;1423790430;BingoBoingo;;;ticker --market all
1016941;1423790437;gribble;Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 222.35, vol: 7415.36814229 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 217.941, vol: 5730.36662 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 221.85, vol: 19876.98211105 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 219.48109, vol: 107921.39720000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 223.99999, vol: 2.519 | Bitcoin-Central BTCUSD last: 228.985819772, vol: 36.72501356 | Volume-weighted last average: 219.905934254
1016942;1423790864;decimation;asciilifeform, others with interest < apparently Oracle/Sun still produce sparc chips, they shipped 7000 units in Q3 2014! http://www.itworld.com/article/2883087/oracle-says-it-still-fully-supports-the-sparc-processor.html
1016943;1423790865;assbot;Oracle says it still fully supports the Sparc processor | ITworld ... ( http://bit.ly/170Rwjk )
1016944;1423791250;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 3934 @ 0.00076217 = 2.9984 BTC [-] {5} 
1016945;1423791258;BingoBoingo;decimation: "rent seeking"
1016946;1423791322;mod6;this is the ongoing battle for fbsd: http://dpaste.com/2G50MYJ
1016947;1423791323;assbot;dpaste: 2G50MYJ ... ( http://bit.ly/1zQcc9q )
1016948;1423791688;decimation;mod6: does it work on openbsd?
1016949;1423791738;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25237 @ 0.00040889 = 10.3192 BTC [-]
1016950;1423791854;mod6;decimation: so, a guy had some patches to make it build on obsd and it's on github, but it's like v0.9x iirc.
1016951;1423791860;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17550 @ 0.0004084 = 7.1674 BTC [-] {2} 
1016952;1423791896;mod6;last I remember, I asked in here and BB was using a forward version on obsd that he got working, but he said it wasn't stable.
1016953;1423791924;mod6;no real big effort has been undertaken to get the RI (v0.5.3.1) on to openbsd yet.
1016954;1423791985;mod6;I put like 8-10 hours into it in the beginning of January, but got side tracked before I got too far.
1016955;1423792013;decimation;I had it running (0.5.3) on openbsd awhile ago
1016956;1423792019;decimation;but it was using older libraries
1016957;1423792021;mod6;how did it work for you?
1016958;1423792023;mod6;ah
1016959;1423792029;mod6;like old boost?
1016960;1423792033;mod6;or bdb?
1016961;1423792036;decimation;yes I think so
1016962;1423792048;decimation;I remember using the boost/bdb that was available on the ports
1016963;1423792063;ben_vulpes;<thestringpuller> It would be amazing if mod6 and ben_vulpes could rip it out of the code completely << i like how you're implying i know anything about cpp
1016964;1423792063;assbot;AMAZING COMPANY!
1016965;1423792067;mod6;did it require any patches to source?
1016966;1423792074;decimation;a couple of header things
1016967;1423792079;decimation;and some makefile repair
1016968;1423792083;mod6;yeah, ok, seems about the same as fbsd
1016969;1423792086;mod6;yup.
1016970;1423792087;mod6;ok.
1016971;1423792103;ben_vulpes;<mike_c> [] https://s3.amazonaws.com/btcalpha/static/foobar.svg << neat
1016972;1423792105;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/170HBdB )
1016973;1423792105;decimation;I would be surprised if they were remarkably different, other than the versions of supporting libs
1016974;1423792156;mod6;i guess i can give it a shot. because im out of ideas on this bug on fbsd.
1016975;1423792166;mod6;i've got a obsd 5.6 vm
1016976;1423792199;decimation;I think I blew away my obsd 5.6 vm
1016977;1423792471;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 32600 @ 0.00040764 = 13.2891 BTC [-] {2} 
1016978;1423792480;decimation;sigh, I need to configure a bouncer
1016979;1423792582;ben_vulpes;what bouncers does everyone use?
1016980;1423792589;ben_vulpes;i'm currently using znc and i hate hate HATE it.
1016981;1423792618;decimation;I donno.  I've been looking around and there don't seem to be very many maintained bouncers
1016982;1423792643;ben_vulpes;znc is a laggy buggy piece of shit
1016983;1423792654;decimation;it doesn't seem like a very hard problem
1016984;1423792665;ben_vulpes;i was very happy when i was running an emacs irc client on a remote host over mosh.
1016985;1423792676;decimation;irc seems to be about 100x more complicated than it needs to be
1016986;1423792698;decimation;ben_vulpes: why not go back to that?
1016987;1423792699;ben_vulpes;but then i got all grumpy about having to maintain multiple sets of finger macros for the emacs-in-terminal vs the emacs-in-xserver
1016988;1423792710;decimation;ah
1016989;1423792891;ben_vulpes;decimation: i don't know that this was a good decision.
1016990;1423792900;ben_vulpes;maybe i should run an x server on the remote host as well!
1016991;1423792911;decimation;yeah I think I would pick the finger-macros
1016992;1423792954;decimation;nah, x over laggy network sucks
1016993;1423792962;ben_vulpes;mk well nm then.
1016994;1423793020;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 37450 @ 0.00040757 = 15.2635 BTC [-]
1016995;1423793077;decimation;if you are gonna go that route you might as well use vnc or other 'slim' window-network protocol
1016996;1423793081;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31850 @ 0.00041715 = 13.2862 BTC [+]
1016997;1423793189;decimation;ben_vulpes: did you figure out how to get erc to use sasl?
1016998;1423793201;decimation;the documentation I found was sparse
1016999;1423793473;decimation;!up thestringpuller
1017000;1423793490;thestringpuller;thanks decimation
1017001;1423793712;decimation;!up TheNewDeal
1017002;1423793729;ben_vulpes;decimation: i did at one point.
1017003;1423793730;TheNewDeal;Gratzi
1017004;1423793942;decimation;emacs is great, but it is annoying how you have dick around with the settings for certain poorly written extensions sometimes
1017005;1423793980;ben_vulpes;s/emacs/oss
1017006;1423793998;decimation;aye
1017007;1423794240;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22050 @ 0.00040757 = 8.9869 BTC [-]
1017008;1423794382;asciilifeform;x over laggy network sucks << unless one (or both) endpoints is in orbit, or at sea, there is really no excuse for this
1017009;1423794606;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 111 @ 0.00935 = 1.0379 BTC [+]
1017010;1423794713;thestringpuller;portaturd still has wallet.dat?
1017011;1423794758;asciilifeform;sure
1017012;1423794761;asciilifeform;nobody snipped the wallet
1017013;1423794825;thestringpuller;I wonder when my pogo buttplugs are coming.
1017014;1423794967;thestringpuller;mike_c: now you see the pain with my graph :P
1017015;1423795034;decimation;re laggy X < asciilifeform do you often experience sub 100 ms latencies?
1017016;1423795073;asciilifeform;nope
1017017;1423795076;asciilifeform;see above.
1017018;1423795080;asciilifeform;or wait
1017019;1423795083;asciilifeform;sub?
1017020;1423795085;asciilifeform;sure
1017021;1423795099;decimation;I guess my network sucks
1017022;1423795165;ben_vulpes;oh my network sucks
1017023;1423795168;ben_vulpes;i take that as a given
1017024;1423795277;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 56800 @ 0.00040757 = 23.15 BTC [-]
1017025;1423795290;TheNewDeal;;;Bids 216.9
1017026;1423795290;gribble;Bitstamp | There are currently 1672.5535 bitcoins demanded at or over 216.9 USD, worth 365825.458696 USD in total. | Data vintage: 0.0232 seconds
1017027;1423795302;TheNewDeal;;;Ticker
1017028;1423795303;gribble;Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 221.93, Best ask: 222.23, Bid-ask spread: 0.30000, Last trade: 222.23, 24 hour volume: 7341.41273175, 24 hour low: 218.01, 24 hour high: 223.38, 24 hour vwap: 221.330426469
1017029;1423795460;decimation;!up thestringpuller
1017030;1423795765;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9400 @ 0.00041557 = 3.9064 BTC [+]
1017031;1423796009;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 2241 @ 0.00075009 = 1.681 BTC [-] {7} 
1017032;1423796314;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 228 @ 0.00551997 = 1.2586 BTC [+] {14} 
1017033;1423796497;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15200 @ 0.00041565 = 6.3179 BTC [+] {2} 
1017034;1423796619;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 204 @ 0.00577271 = 1.1776 BTC [-] {2} 
1017035;1423797065;mod6;i've got a script to pull archives, verify and patch on Linux/FreeBSD/OpenBSD.  Will only compile it on Linux since we're not quite there yet on *BSD, give it a try, let me know how it goes:
1017036;1423797081;mod6;http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=KEdQ3NLe
1017037;1423797082;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1E6aK2n )
1017038;1423797128;thestringpuller;ick a perl script
1017039;1423797141;thestringpuller;mod6: have been born before 1985 :D
1017040;1423797142;thestringpuller;jkjk
1017041;1423797143;thestringpuller;<3
1017042;1423797143;mod6;there is a subroutine in there to check on the openssl version, but that needs some work yet.  so its commented out from execution.
1017043;1423797153;thestringpuller;it looks pretty tho
1017044;1423797172;mod6;and OpenBSD seems to be using "LibreSSL 2.0" by default
1017045;1423797201;mod6;thestringpuller: haha
1017046;1423797212;thestringpuller;how long did it take to write this script? looks more like a binary than just s cript :P
1017047;1423797226;mod6;this is the 8th version.
1017048;1423797269;mod6;v1-4 took like 1 evening maybe 2. spent another whole day getting it working on FreeBSD, and just an hour or two now on OpenBSD
1017049;1423797282;mod6;it was pretty quick over all.
1017050;1423797311;mod6;i'd much rather program this type of stuff in perl as opposed to sh/bash/ksh/csh/tcsh/zsh/ash *stab*
1017051;1423797328;thestringpuller;how do I set home?
1017052;1423797332;thestringpuller;"HOME directory not set"
1017053;1423797337;thestringpuller;$HOME is set to my user home
1017054;1423797346;mod6;should be line 41
1017055;1423797359;mod6;or search the file for XXX
1017056;1423797389;mod6;also if you want it to not clean out the stuff that it builds with, change $FULL_CLEAN to FALSE
1017057;1423797424;thestringpuller;do I need to download any thing or does it download everything i need?
1017058;1423797451;mod6;in 1985 i was crushing other kidz in pitfall
1017059;1423797474;thestringpuller;the only good game for atari it seems
1017060;1423797477;thestringpuller;now I want o play that
1017061;1423797486;*;mod6 grabs rope and swings over alligator
1017062;1423797601;thestringpuller;it's not checking for my os
1017063;1423797602;thestringpuller;:(
1017064;1423797624;thestringpuller;checkOS(); << that's not printing anything for me
1017065;1423797640;mod6;what are you running it on?
1017066;1423797680;decimation;maybe it will compile on osx as a side effect
1017067;1423797681;thestringpuller;dmesg | grep -e ".*\\s+Linux version (.*)\\s+.*" << this returns zilch for me
1017068;1423797707;thestringpuller;i'm on debian 7
1017069;1423797707;mod6;eh, yeah, i probably need to tidy that up a bit.
1017070;1423797720;*;mod6 tinkers
1017071;1423797722;thestringpuller;can I just override to make it "linux"
1017072;1423797750;decimation;pitfall was pretty classic
1017073;1423797774;thestringpuller;lets see if it compiles mr. six of modulo
1017074;1423797788;thestringpuller;"Compiling bitcoind..."
1017075;1423797818;mod6;guess i tried to get too cute with that line, just change it to this:
1017076;1423797819;mod6;dmesg | grep -e ".*Linux.*"
1017077;1423797839;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22786 @ 0.00040757 = 9.2869 BTC [-]
1017078;1423797866;mod6;ill update it on my side if that works better
1017079;1423797885;thestringpuller;script is currently running right now
1017080;1423797890;thestringpuller;i'll change it if it fails
1017081;1423797893;thestringpuller;but looks like its compiling
1017082;1423797912;thestringpuller;i have all old libs needed to compile bitcoind 0.72 downloaded (boost and stuff) so it should chug on some level
1017083;1423797973;thestringpuller;i really wish I could see the compilation output
1017084;1423797977;thestringpuller;why is it being swallowed?
1017085;1423797995;mod6;the current hypothesis is that if you're not running 1.0.1g openssl you'll wedge @ 168,001
1017086;1423798004;mod6;on a bad signature
1017087;1423798019;mod6;for this tx: https://blockchain.info/tx/2c2314f353013f920d8fbfde242d7d23ba4cb9b97dc24f481dd0ccfd8f56324c?show_adv=true
1017088;1423798021;assbot;        Bitcoin Transaction 2c2314f353013f920d8fbfde242d7d23ba4cb9b97dc24f481dd0ccfd8f56324c     ... ( http://bit.ly/1vHBebe )
1017089;1423798062;mod6;thestringpuller: eh, i could put it to stdout.  just figured that it was cleaner without it.  but i can add it.
1017090;1423798062;thestringpuller;really? that transaction requires openssl to verify?!?
1017091;1423798104;thestringpuller;how was alf able to get pogoturd up to to date?
1017092;1423798105;mod6;after a week of banging my head on the wall, that seems to be the thing that gets me and ben past the wall.
1017093;1423798140;asciilifeform;thestringpuller: up to date ?
1017094;1423798159;thestringpuller;isn't version on pogoturd derived from foundations codebase?
1017095;1423798159;asciilifeform;thestringpuller: notice that 'portatronic' recipe featured 1.0.1g
1017096;1423798173;thestringpuller;Oh i see.
1017097;1423798173;mod6;well, the really strange thing is that it totally isnt consistant. just as recently as the 26th of January I completed full sync with v0.5.3 + patches { 1, rm_rf_upnp, 2, 3, 4, & 6 } and openssl v0.9.8o
1017098;1423798185;*;thestringpuller continues browsing mailing archive
1017099;1423798191;mod6;its all in the logs and there's a permutation matrix, etc.
1017100;1423798201;asciilifeform;i have not tried it with any other version of openssl
1017101;1423798203;mod6;it'll be in the end month report... for sure
1017102;1423798216;thestringpuller;maybe I missed the memo, but what does openssl do in the context of bitcoind?
1017103;1423798219;thestringpuller;i.e. why?
1017104;1423798237;asciilifeform;thestringpuller: 1) (the biggie) ecdsa signature verification & creation
1017105;1423798242;asciilifeform;2) wallet crypt with aes
1017106;1423798252;mod6;yeah crypto routines
1017107;1423798277;mod6;someone posted a comment in the powerranger github about a change to DER
1017108;1423798280;*;mod6 looks
1017109;1423798390;mod6;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-02-2015#1014126
1017110;1423798390;assbot;Logged on 10-02-2015 01:29:45; assbot: Improve robustness of DER recoding code ·  f19dded · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1AQYAMP )
1017111;1423798411;mod6;anyway, im not sure yet.
1017112;1423798416;mod6;more research is required
1017113;1423798513;thestringpuller;kinda weird how older clients naturally won't have heartbleed
1017114;1423798530;thestringpuller;s/weird/conspicuous
1017115;1423798546;thestringpuller;s/won't/wouldn't have had/
1017116;1423798576;asciilifeform;at any rate, no https, no heartbleed
1017117;1423798602;thestringpuller;hearn wanted to merge that in iirc, something about 2-factor?
1017118;1423798641;thestringpuller;mod6: it compiled
1017119;1423798665;thestringpuller;I gotta run it as a different user tho cause I'm running another bitcoind rite nao
1017120;1423798712;mod6;nice
1017121;1423798727;thestringpuller;unless you can set where bitcoind puts .bitcoin directory?
1017122;1423798727;mod6;ok made the update in here (v0.0.8.1):
1017123;1423798728;mod6;http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=BCBvCVrG
1017124;1423798729;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1vHC2wA )
1017125;1423798767;mod6;sure, you can put .bitcoin where ever you like and just do like `./bitcoind -datadir=/path/to/.bitcoin -daemon -debug &`
1017126;1423798800;thestringpuller;will it `mkdir .bitcoin` on the directory or do I have to do it myself?
1017127;1423798821;mod6;bitcoind will use ~/.bitcoin by default
1017128;1423798836;mod6;so you probably wanna do `mkdir -p /path/to/.bitcoin`
1017129;1423798869;danielpbarron;you can specify directory with -datadir=
1017130;1423798876;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12279 @ 0.00040757 = 5.0046 BTC [-]
1017131;1423798876;danielpbarron;oh someone said
1017132;1423798917;mod6;ok, im gotta try to patch up this thing on openbsd and see if i can get anywhere.
1017133;1423799476;mod6;aight, patched up, installing boost 1.53 on obsd
1017134;1423799478;mod6;we'll see.
1017135;1423800584;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29250 @ 0.00040816 = 11.9387 BTC [+]
1017136;1423801133;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18350 @ 0.00040816 = 7.4897 BTC [+]
1017137;1423801644;mod6;getting close: http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=NizDiqXj
1017138;1423801645;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1vHEqU5 )
1017139;1423801681;mod6;i might have to build boost 1.42 by hand. the horror.
1017140;1423801686;mod6;the horror.
1017141;1423801776;mod6;boost_thread is in there though... o_O
1017142;1423801776;mod6;# ls  /usr/local/include/boost/thr
1017143;1423801777;mod6;thread.hpp             thread/
1017144;1423802189;mod6;oh weird.
1017145;1423802191;mod6;it worked
1017146;1423802213;thestringpuller;an hour passes
1017147;1423802220;thestringpuller;how quick the time moves
1017148;1423802292;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16850 @ 0.00040745 = 6.8655 BTC [-] {2} 
1017149;1423802328;mod6;you need the red-ring and the magical swoard & shield for this type of thing
1017150;1423802536;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4400 @ 0.00040816 = 1.7959 BTC [+]
1017151;1423802872;mod6;FUCK. YES. \o/
1017152;1423802873;mod6;http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=6hyK8VrD
1017153;1423802874;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1vHFoQe )
1017154;1423803008;TheNewDeal;Conrad references and bitcoind buolds... only in #ba
1017155;1423803071;TheNewDeal;Errr I guess I'm not sure if that line is ib the book
1017156;1423803128;mod6;you gotta love this
1017157;1423803128;mod6;/home/mod6/dev/bitcoin-v0_5_3_1/src/util.cpp:692: warning: strcpy() is almost always misused, please use strlcpy()
1017158;1423804043;mod6;here's the patch
1017159;1423804044;mod6;http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=Ei2pJTur
1017160;1423804045;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1vHGtYy )
1017161;1423804184;mod6;here's a picture of what libs I had installed & openssl version: http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=be4Yr0MZ
1017162;1423804185;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1vHGAmS )
1017163;1423804216;mod6;i'll formalize this stuff in the next few days and get it on to the list.
1017164;1423804603;mod6;more good news.  my AWS instance achieved full sync just now with the following config: v0.5.3 + patches { 1, rm_rf_upnp, 2, 3, 4, 6 & 7 } & openssl version 1.0.1g : http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=VVz5j1dW
1017165;1423804604;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1vHGXhl )
1017166;1423804610;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18800 @ 0.00040647 = 7.6416 BTC [-]
1017167;1423804622;mod6;(this is on debian 6)
1017168;1423804705;asciilifeform;mod6: why did you snip the static build?
1017169;1423804724;asciilifeform;mod6: that patch renders bitcoind-portatronic unbuildable
1017170;1423804872;mod6;ah. i'll add it back in.  no prob. just wanted someone to look over my shoulder on that part.
1017171;1423804915;*;asciilifeform presently thinks that bitcoind should only ever be build statically
1017172;1423804920;asciilifeform;*built
1017173;1423805014;mod6;that's fine. i kinda was thinking trying to statically link the libs was giving me an issue. forgot to add it back in.
1017174;1423805078;mod6;i'll have another patch here in a minute.  meanwhile, i have v0.0.8.2 of the perl script, few tweeks in case anyone cares: http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=UNzScJP7
1017175;1423805079;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1vHHiQS )
1017176;1423805159;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17850 @ 0.00041245 = 7.3622 BTC [+] {3} 
1017177;1423805305;asciilifeform;unrelated historical:
1017178;1423805311;asciilifeform;http://www.xach.com/naggum/articles/3237547471622801@naggum.net.html << naggum on the 'altcoins' of his time.
1017179;1423805311;assbot;Re: Why I can't use Lisp. - Naggum cll archive ... ( http://bit.ly/1vHHsYD )
1017180;1423805340;asciilifeform;unrelated2: anybody here into Ada?
1017181;1423805681;mod6;http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=ipcYZDsy
1017182;1423805683;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1vHHI9T )
1017183;1423805688;mod6;asciilifeform: that look better?
1017184;1423806013;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4705 @ 0.00041715 = 1.9627 BTC [+]
1017185;1423806867;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6396 @ 0.00041715 = 2.6681 BTC [+]
1017186;1423808075;mod6;obsd v0.5.3.1 got past first 2 checkpoints: "version" : 50301, "blocks" : 42307,
1017187;1423808366;mod6;passed 3rd checkpoint..
1017188;1423808398;mod6;4th
1017189;1423808454;mod6;5th
1017190;1423808792;mod6;one thing that sucks about this version of bdb 4.6 is that it doesn't support my database flag to autoremote the database transaction logs :  dbenv.log_set_config(DB_LOG_AUTO_REMOVE, 1);
1017191;1423808796;mod6;:/
1017192;1423808815;mod6;s/autoremote/autoremove/
1017193;1423809159;mod6;6th checkpoint passed
1017194;1423809734;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15200 @ 0.00042019 = 6.3869 BTC [+]
1017195;1423809785;punkman;if we replace openssl with libressl or whatever, how do we verify all the buggy data generated by 7 different openssl versions?
1017196;1423809838;danielpbarron;exceptions
1017197;1423809862;mod6;7th checkpoint passed
1017198;1423809893;mod6;punkman: yeah, there's a bunch of work to be done surrouding openssl/libressl
1017199;1423809896;ben_vulpes;punkman: asciilifeform proposed snipping the crypto routines out of ssl and dropping them wholesale into the bitcoind
1017200;1423809928;ben_vulpes;okay hey so devil's advocate for a moment
1017201;1423809932;ben_vulpes;what's so bad about boost?
1017202;1423809938;punkman;fuck boost
1017203;1423809961;ben_vulpes;a well-reasoned critique. thanks punkman.
1017204;1423809965;punkman;:D
1017205;1423809972;mod6;so, the funny part is, as the story goes, most of what is in boost was put into the 2011 standard.
1017206;1423809978;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35315 @ 0.00042065 = 14.8553 BTC [+] {2} 
1017207;1423810004;mod6;one sec, lemme find this /. post & artcile i was reading.
1017208;1423810054;*;danielpbarron whips out a stick and points to a random line of boost source asking, "what does this line do?"
1017209;1423810055;mod6;this is probably worth a read: http://developers-beta.slashdot.org/story/13/03/15/1423208/comparing-the-c-standard-and-boost
1017210;1423810057;assbot;Comparing the C++ Standard and Boost - Slashdot ... ( http://bit.ly/1KSfMkZ )
1017211;1423810223;punkman;I wonder what the liberally sprinkled "CRITICAL_BLOCK" does
1017212;1423810246;ben_vulpes;i have no clue, man.
1017213;1423810277;punkman;was replaced with something named "LOCK" soon after 0.5.3
1017214;1423810286;mod6;its thread safty
1017215;1423810311;ben_vulpes;well okay i grok that it's related to thread safety
1017216;1423810320;ben_vulpes;but as to danielpbarron's pointer...
1017217;1423810324;mod6;mutual exlusion semaphore
1017218;1423810343;mod6;*exclusion
1017219;1423810371;ben_vulpes;i am full of questions as to how that's implemented
1017220;1423810432;mod6;red ring + magical sword & shield required.
1017221;1423810444;mod6;its hairy in there.
1017222;1423810502;mod6;An adventurer is you!
1017223;1423810535;ben_vulpes;doesn't look like there are that many different boost functions called.
1017224;1423810543;ben_vulpes;assuming, that is that all boost functions start with BOOST_
1017225;1423810631;mod6;i think a lot of em are, yeah.
1017226;1423810726;mod6;i thought the warings at the end of the openbsd compilation were rather lulzy
1017227;1423810740;mod6;gotta add a patch for that stuff
1017228;1423810895;mod6;thestringpuller: thanks for testing that script tonight
1017229;1423811383;punkman;mod6, did you statically compile that last instance?
1017230;1423811417;mod6;no
1017231;1423811531;mod6;i'll rebuild with STATIC and see
1017232;1423811551;ben_vulpes;forgive the naivte, but what does static compilation buy one?
1017233;1423811578;punkman;not wondering about what version openssl you are using for one
1017234;1423811671;ben_vulpes;yeah explicit deps are nice
1017235;1423811789;punkman;and you can move the binary to other machine without having to pull all the boost-dev packages
1017236;1423811930;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21700 @ 0.00042205 = 9.1585 BTC [+]
1017237;1423812095;punkman;this is nice https://github.com/gorhill/uBlock
1017238;1423812096;assbot;gorhill/uBlock · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1Mild0f )
1017239;1423812186;punkman;http://gelio.livejournal.com/193025.html
1017240;1423812188;assbot;Gelio    (Степанов Слава) - An-225 Mriya is the world’s largest aircraft (English version) ... ( http://bit.ly/1Milgt0 )
1017241;1423812657;mod6;well, i think im just tired.
1017242;1423812711;mod6;http://dpaste.com/02JHVFN
1017243;1423812712;assbot;dpaste: 02JHVFN ... ( http://bit.ly/1ClRY75 )
1017244;1423812714;mod6;im not sure if that worked
1017245;1423812772;mod6;OH
1017246;1423812774;mod6;derp
1017247;1423812786;mod6;"LMODE", not "LDMODE"
1017248;1423812805;punkman;sidenote: this version uses a dozen ways to print things to stdout/stderr, needs cleanup
1017249;1423812829;mod6;noted.
1017250;1423812873;punkman;I can probably do that, after we decide on some standard
1017251;1423812885;mod6;we'll get there :]
1017252;1423812957;mod6;http://dpaste.com/1MQCQMX
1017253;1423812958;assbot;dpaste: 1MQCQMX ... ( http://bit.ly/1ClSvWP )
1017254;1423813011;mod6;height=128873
1017255;1423813176;mod6;-Wl,-Bdynamic
1017256;1423813186;mod6;i still don't think i did the right thing there..
1017257;1423813455;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15173 @ 0.000424 = 6.4334 BTC [+] {3} 
1017258;1423813924;cazalla;scoopbot, u r hopeless :\ http://qntra.net/2015/02/bitcoin-group-limited-run-afoul-of-asic/
1017259;1423813925;assbot;Bitcoin Group Limited Run Afoul Of ASIC | Qntra.net ... ( http://bit.ly/1MinqJa )
1017260;1423814004;punkman;ASIC heh
1017261;1423814422;mod6;punkman: http://dpaste.com/29Q2FMQ
1017262;1423814423;assbot;dpaste: 29Q2FMQ ... ( http://bit.ly/1MinZTc )
1017263;1423814427;mod6;that's weird 'eh
1017264;1423814455;mod6;this in one place: -Wl,-Bstatic : this in another: -Wl,-Bdynamic
1017265;1423814508;mod6;oh LMODE2 didn't get set.
1017266;1423814519;punkman;yeah that if clause is weird
1017267;1423814530;mod6;i thought the IFDEF should do that
1017268;1423814533;mod6;o.O
1017269;1423814561;mod6;ok here we go, one more time
1017270;1423814755;mod6;alright, and yeah, the output binary is way bigger:
1017271;1423814755;mod6;http://dpaste.com/23P8VBE
1017272;1423814756;assbot;dpaste: 23P8VBE ... ( http://bit.ly/1Miotsn )
1017273;1423814769;mod6;its like ~10mb larger
1017274;1423814808;mod6;[1] + Segmentation fault   ./bitcoind -datadir=/home/mod6/.bitcoin -daemon (core dumped)
1017275;1423814811;mod6;ho ho!
1017276;1423814873;mod6;http://dpaste.com/0VPYTWM
1017277;1423814875;assbot;dpaste: 0VPYTWM ... ( http://bit.ly/1MioIDY )
1017278;1423814882;mod6;well, thats all for me.
1017279;1423814889;mod6;sleep(21600)
1017280;1423815102;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30300 @ 0.00041978 = 12.7193 BTC [-] {2} 
1017281;1423816505;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27550 @ 0.00042512 = 11.7121 BTC [+] {2} 
1017282;1423816754;cazalla;fucking lightning
1017283;1423817286;fluffypony;cazalla: you should probably stop trying to have sex with it
1017284;1423817292;fluffypony;lightning burns
1017285;1423817336;cazalla;maybe you should stop with the unfunny south african jokes
1017286;1423817369;cazalla;how's that for a burn? :P
1017287;1423817446;fluffypony;hah hah
1017288;1423817461;fluffypony;something-something-sheep
1017289;1423817494;cazalla;it's the nzer's into sheep
1017290;1423817578;fluffypony;I know, but you're right there
1017291;1423817582;fluffypony;so by extension
1017292;1423817794;cazalla;i guess nz is to australia as australia is to ussa
1017293;1423818123;cazalla;fuck that lightning was so loud then
1017294;1423818185;fluffypony;the lightning...was...loud?
1017295;1423818269;cazalla;ya know, when it strikes.. made me jump that's all
1017296;1423818410;fluffypony;you mean the thunder was loud?
1017297;1423818458;fluffypony;lightning doesn't make a noise...unless it's hitting one of those electric substations and that explodes
1017298;1423818477;cazalla;then i guess that is what i meant
1017299;1423819547;punkman;https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BZX9h-6IEAA-JLy.jpg
1017300;1423819548;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1CnDP6N )
1017301;1423819677;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20439 @ 0.00042314 = 8.6486 BTC [-]
1017302;1423820165;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 32616 @ 0.00042526 = 13.8703 BTC [+] {3} 
1017303;1423820520;fluffypony;punkman: I hate it when that happens
1017304;1423820910;cazalla;http://qntra.net/2015/02/quebec-regulator-bitcoin-businesses-need-a-licence/
1017305;1423820911;assbot;Quebec Regulator: Bitcoin Businesses Need A Licence | Qntra.net ... ( http://bit.ly/1Ai4VRN )
1017306;1423821812;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 2500 @ 0.00079303 = 1.9826 BTC [-] {2} 
1017307;1423821995;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34650 @ 0.00041853 = 14.5021 BTC [-]
1017308;1423822045;BingoBoingo;;;later tell mod6 https://github.com/jasperla/openbsd-wip/commit/9ef1b3a903d22c946a4536f56e26cfd16429c4bb
1017309;1423822046;assbot;enable regress and fix random bug effecting wallets badly from dhill ·  9ef1b3a · jasperla/openbsd-wip · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1Ai7EuG )
1017310;1423822046;gribble;The operation succeeded.
1017311;1423822104;fluffypony;cazalla: http://www.zdnet.com/article/bitcoin-group-pulled-up-for-pre-ipo-chatter/
1017312;1423822105;assbot;Bitcoin Group pulled up for pre-IPO chatter | ZDNet ... ( http://bit.ly/1Ai7K5m )
1017313;1423822122;fluffypony;lol at the securities commission in oz being called ASIC
1017314;1423822130;cazalla;posted that earlier
1017315;1423822155;cazalla;you know how the chinese are, scamming each other and all that
1017316;1423822174;fluffypony;yeah
1017317;1423822192;cazalla;demanding red letters full of bitcoins it seems
1017318;1423823893;BingoBoingo;!up nubbins`
1017319;1423823897;nubbins`;hi
1017320;1423823901;BingoBoingo;hallo
1017321;1423823909;nubbins`;http://imgur.com/gDBg21z
1017322;1423823910;assbot;                        Imgur ... ( http://bit.ly/1E6YyOU )
1017323;1423823935;nubbins`;bit of snow yest
1017324;1423824023;nubbins`;oh and i'm going to cleve-land in april
1017325;1423824611;fluffypony;!up hegemoOn
1017326;1423824618;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35700 @ 0.00041853 = 14.9415 BTC [-]
1017327;1423824631;hegemoOn;good morning ladies dans gentlemen
1017328;1423824638;hegemoOn;i wanted to share this to you http://www.antimoneylaunderinglaw.com/2015/01/france-eu-call-for-expedited-regulation-of-bitcoin-to-strengthen-counter-terrorist-financing-efforts-following-charlie-hebdo-incident-and-an-end-to-all-anonymous-financial-transactions-through-repor.html
1017329;1423824641;assbot;France calls for strong regulation of Bitcoin in EU counter-terrorist financing laws following Charlie Hebdo incident and an end to anonymous financial transactions | Duhaime's Anti-Money Laundering Law in Canada ... ( http://bit.ly/1MiFrqE )
1017330;1423824694;punkman;cheeky
1017331;1423824803;hegemoOn;it is very funny indeed, when you know that in the Charlie-Hebdo attack, the money was founded by a consummer credit you can easely get just by phone call to a bank
1017332;1423824831;hegemoOn;and the terrorist got 6000 euros on begining of december this way to buy all the guns and bullet they needed for the attack
1017333;1423824838;hegemoOn;nothing related to crypto-currency
1017334;1423825533;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 43736 @ 0.00041831 = 18.2952 BTC [-] {2} 
1017335;1423825797;punkman;'Folks are like "that's poor software development practice", and I'm like "yeah, I used to have dreams too"'
1017336;1423827241;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29450 @ 0.00042611 = 12.5489 BTC [+] {2} 
1017337;1423827302;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 86500 @ 0.00042951 = 37.1526 BTC [+] {4} 
1017338;1423828339;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16200 @ 0.00043326 = 7.0188 BTC [+]
1017339;1423828522;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12250 @ 0.00043353 = 5.3107 BTC [+] {2} 
1017340;1423828583;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6965 @ 0.00043368 = 3.0206 BTC [+]
1017341;1423828644;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26035 @ 0.00043647 = 11.3635 BTC [+]
1017342;1423829835;davout;hegemoOn: nice, no sources tho
1017343;1423830230;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28700 @ 0.00042269 = 12.1312 BTC [-] {2} 
1017344;1423830901;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 39900 @ 0.00042285 = 16.8717 BTC [+]
1017345;1423831003;BingoBoingo;Anyone looking to build bitcoind/bitcoin-qt on OpenBSD for wallet purposes likely needs to make this source change https://github.com/jasperla/openbsd-wip/blob/9ef1b3a903d22c946a4536f56e26cfd16429c4bb/net/bitcoin/patches/patch-src_wallet_cpp
1017346;1423831004;assbot;openbsd-wip/patch-src_wallet_cpp at 9ef1b3a903d22c946a4536f56e26cfd16429c4bb · jasperla/openbsd-wip · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1DMN3Ox )
1017347;1423831023;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11300 @ 0.00042285 = 4.7782 BTC [+]
1017348;1423831633;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22650 @ 0.00041363 = 9.3687 BTC [-] {3} 
1017349;1423832548;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 38000 @ 0.00041213 = 15.6609 BTC [-] {3} 
1017350;1423833312;cazalla;danielpbarron, seems obvious eh
1017351;1423834494;danielpbarron;yzyz
1017352;1423835189;BingoBoingo;managed to build a bitcoin-qt 0.7.2 on OpenBSD, alerts snipped, Fuck only know if it will sync
1017353;1423835683;BingoBoingo;Mucking with the bitcoin-qt source to get it to build was much easier with leveldb out of the picture. Refused to build in a way OpenBSD could link
1017354;1423835738;BingoBoingo;Block 60000 219 of RAM used so far
1017355;1423835784;Apocalyptic;BingoBoingo, out of curiosity why did you go for 0.7.2 ?
1017356;1423835829;BingoBoingo;Apocalyptic: Looking for the a version of qt that builds on openbsd at all
1017357;1423835891;BingoBoingo;Apocalyptic: Also qr codes for recieving
1017358;1423835903;Apocalyptic;aha
1017359;1423835964;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15400 @ 0.00042412 = 6.5314 BTC [+] {2} 
1017360;1423836004;BingoBoingo;Some foundation patches like alert snipping have been implemented, but no idea if this is suitable for broad distribution
1017361;1423836017;BingoBoingo;Probably not I'd wager
1017362;1423836051;BingoBoingo;84204, over half way to the first wedge block
1017363;1423836109;Adlai;why should bitcoind care the slightest about qr codes?
1017364;1423836131;Adlai;you can produce them in a separate program[/computer] given just an address
1017365;1423836149;BingoBoingo;Adlai: Mobile online machine, Maybe I want someone to shoot money at me from a Pnohe while watching it hit
1017366;1423836199;Apocalyptic;Adlai, bitcoind shoudln't, indeed. bitcoin-qt is another program
1017367;1423836285;BingoBoingo;Any ways, it is exercise to learn the new environment
1017368;1423836307;Apocalyptic;can't hurt
1017369;1423836354;BingoBoingo;changine random to arc4_random for the nonces was probably important for this build platform so catching that was importish
1017370;1423836424;BingoBoingo;Under 300MB of ram 100k blocks in
1017371;1423836590;Apocalyptic;BingoBoingo, note that the use of arc4 stream cipher for randomness in something as critical as ECDSA sig nonces is... discouraged. If I remember correctly it's a bit biased
1017372;1423836624;BingoBoingo;They don't use rc4 for arc4_random anymore.
1017373;1423836635;punkman;people have lost money with duplicate nonces
1017374;1423836643;Apocalyptic;oh, then nevermind
1017375;1423836739;BingoBoingo;Apocalyptic: http://www.openbsd.org/cgi-bin/man.cgi/OpenBSD-current/man3/arc4random.3?query=arc4random&sec=3
1017376;1423836740;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1uOLRIm )
1017377;1423836797;Apocalyptic;ty
1017378;1423837001;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27718 @ 0.00040894 = 11.335 BTC [-]
1017379;1423837074;BingoBoingo;The just changed the mnemonic device to �A Replacement Call for Random� when the parts under the hood changed
1017380;1423837539;mod6;BingoBoingo: Thanks for the links, the second one (https://github.com/jasperla/openbsd-wip/blob/9ef1b3a903d22c946a4536f56e26cfd16429c4bb/net/bitcoin/patches/patch-src_wallet_cpp) probably fixes this warning : src/wallet.cpp:858: warning: rand() isn't random; consider using arc4random()
1017381;1423837611;BingoBoingo;I really need to take better notes, but that was the big flag I noticed
1017382;1423837631;mod6;ah, ok: https://github.com/jasperla/openbsd-wip/commit/9ef1b3a903d22c946a4536f56e26cfd16429c4bb << this will fix the random thing, but i don't think the makefile change here does anything.
1017383;1423837633;assbot;enable regress and fix random bug effecting wallets badly from dhill ·  9ef1b3a · jasperla/openbsd-wip · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1uOPPkj )
1017384;1423837670;BingoBoingo;That, I don't know.
1017385;1423837687;mod6;statically linking the libs into the bitcoind output binary made it cross its eyes and wet its pants lastnight
1017386;1423837761;BingoBoingo;I was about to call it a night three hours ago, but now the Sun's been up forever and I can't stop watching blocks sync
1017387;1423837790;mod6;haha, nice.
1017388;1423837806;mod6;after that thing blew up i was like, time for bed.
1017389;1423837827;mod6;so are you running v0.5.3.1 or .7.2 ?
1017390;1423837922;mod6;i gotta recompile (linking dynamically) and see if I can get past 168,001
1017391;1423837926;BingoBoingo;0.7.2 qt, tried forever on 0.8.6 qt to avoid futzing with the BDB settings. Twas a mistake. It took the better part of a day to realize leveldb is never building for my level of skill in the necessary way and two seconds to patch that BDB shit
1017392;1423837947;BingoBoingo;mod6: Your wedged?
1017393;1423837986;mod6;ah, no. but recently had issues with VerifiySignature on a tx in block 168,001
1017394;1423837997;mod6;that was on linux w/openssl v0.9.8o
1017395;1423838027;mod6;this one uses LibreSSL 2.0
1017396;1423838053;BingoBoingo;Ah, so I'm the brave fuck who will be riding LibreSSL2.0 into the block firsted
1017397;1423838099;mod6;An adventurer is you!
1017398;1423838143;mod6;I'm on block ~128k
1017399;1423838169;mod6;so when the dynamic compile is done here, will start back up.
1017400;1423838488;mod6;<+punkman> and you can move the binary to other machine without having to pull all the boost-dev packages << fwiw, i've never done this ever. should always rebuild binarys on the local environment.
1017401;1423838629;mod6;ok im off and running again
1017402;1423838647;mod6;@ 130k
1017403;1423838684;mod6;shouldn't be too long before i get to where i want to be. i can't even do full sync on this vm anyway.  i didnt make the vm disk big enough.
1017404;1423838706;mod6;but, will set up a different vm for this later
1017405;1423839036;BingoBoingo;138870 464MB of RAM
1017406;1423839190;BingoBoingo;Progress has paused, CPU usage dropped, RAM's inching up. Looks like bastards or peer stooped feeding me atm
1017407;1423839198;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34589 @ 0.000417 = 14.4236 BTC [+] {2} 
1017408;1423839380;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 4317 @ 0.00075171 = 3.2451 BTC [-] {19} 
1017409;1423839504;BingoBoingo;Same block 522MB RAM and rising
1017410;1423839652;BingoBoingo;Made it 4 more blocks, hit its own RAM limit and crashed
1017411;1423839745;BingoBoingo;Well... not crashed, killed. A warrior's version of a crash
1017412;1423840047;mod6;ah, yeah.
1017413;1423840051;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 53502 @ 0.00040656 = 21.7518 BTC [-]
1017414;1423840123;BingoBoingo;Running again, debating whether to give it more ram. Dunno it will do anything useful other than maybe take longer to crash
1017415;1423840208;mod6;yeah, the latter. i wouldn't worry about it.
1017416;1423840259;mod6;here's a picture of my build/env: http://dpaste.com/19765BN
1017417;1423840260;assbot;dpaste: 19765BN ... ( http://bit.ly/1DoD1T6 )
1017418;1423840417;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31800 @ 0.00041766 = 13.2816 BTC [+] {2} 
1017419;1423840740;BingoBoingo;!up hegemoOn
1017420;1423840825;hegemoOn;thx
1017421;1423840828;hegemoOn;:)
1017422;1423840857;hegemoOn;davout: complained the artical didn't provide any source, i feed him with two others articles on the same topic
1017423;1423841018;hegemoOn;if anyone interested i can c&p
1017424;1423841376;thestringpuller;mod6: ugh dat wedge
1017425;1423841408;mod6;you hit it on your linux box?
1017426;1423841435;thestringpuller;yea 160k height or something
1017427;1423841446;thestringpuller;you do getinfo and it just stays there lol
1017428;1423841454;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 43359 @ 0.00040543 = 17.579 BTC [-] {2} 
1017429;1423841454;mod6;run this: `openssl version -a`
1017430;1423841459;thestringpuller;one second
1017431;1423841462;mod6;eh.
1017432;1423841464;mod6;no
1017433;1423841480;thestringpuller;0.9.8o is the one installed on the system
1017434;1423841483;mod6;sometimes you do a 'getinfo' and its "busy" doing "SetBestChain" or something similar.
1017435;1423841499;mod6;so just be aware of that -- sometimes it can take a /while/ to respond.
1017436;1423841524;mod6;better to watch `tail -f /path/to/.bitcoin/debug.log` to see whats really actually happening.
1017437;1423841536;mod6;ok 0.9.8o is the version we had problems with too though
1017438;1423841602;mod6;youll know that you've hit the bad tx when you see an error in getinfo like this: "errors" : "WARNING: Displayed transactions may not be correct!  You may need to upgrade, or other nodes may need to upgrade."
1017439;1423841656;mod6;if you do get that, please give us a pastebin of the 'getinfo' & 'openssl version -a'
1017440;1423841677;mod6;maybe throw a `uname -a` in there as well
1017441;1423841684;mod6;thanks for testing!
1017442;1423841689;asciilifeform;should always rebuild binarys on the local environment << not practical on embedded system
1017443;1423841729;mod6;sure
1017444;1423841743;mod6;just relating that im indeed against distribution of binaries
1017445;1423841861;chetty;interesting, if all packages only came as source sure would cut down on derpage on the nets, imagine reddtards have to build their own ie
1017446;1423841885;mod6;it'd be awesome because then derps would give up and go and play with hula-hoops
1017447;1423841888;mod6;:)
1017448;1423841894;chetty;;D
1017449;1423842109;BingoBoingo;Would MS let them build IE?
1017450;1423842125;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33803 @ 0.00042197 = 14.2639 BTC [+]
1017451;1423842142;BingoBoingo;And if one had to build, would a derp actuall build IE?
1017452;1423842169;BingoBoingo;As in make the choice to do that? Or would they actually do that because it is both hard and stupid
1017453;1423842179;chetty;<BingoBoingo> Would MS let them build IE?// haha MS would never release source, thats kinda why I picked it
1017454;1423842295;BingoBoingo;Wedge block coming up
1017455;1423842343;BingoBoingo;passed block 160000 successfully
1017456;1423842359;mod6;that's fine
1017457;1423842364;mod6;the checkpoint block is 168,000
1017458;1423842367;BingoBoingo;AH
1017459;1423842372;mod6;but you need to really watch out for 168,001
1017460;1423842493;BingoBoingo;As I typed that I though I might be missing some non-zero numbers
1017461;1423842499;mod6;there would be 95% less people on the tubes if they had to compile everything themselves. ``THE BARRIER TO ENTRY IS TOO DAMN HIGH!.jpg''
1017462;1423842522;BingoBoingo;;;google rakeem oakland
1017463;1423842523;gribble;4 - Destiny Arts Center: <http://www.destinyarts.org/pages/teaching-artists/page/4/>; Rakeem Nunez-Roches Archives - Pro Football Rumors: <http://www.profootballrumors.com/rakeem-nunez-roches/>; Oakland (Murfreesboro, TN) Football Roster | MaxPreps: <http://www.maxpreps.com/high-schools/oakland-patriots-(murfreesboro,tn)/football/roster.htm>
1017464;1423842599;Adlai;dad@dinner: "what happens when people start saving their bitcoins, rather than just spending them?"
1017465;1423842607;Adlai;good dad, just keep walking down this road!
1017466;1423842613;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 388 @ 0.00964631 = 3.7428 BTC [+] {6} 
1017467;1423842627;BingoBoingo;Ram usage dropped, a bunch of Orphans just found a father
1017468;1423842789;danielpbarron;is there any evidence to suggest that there are nodes out there intentionally feeding bad data for the purpose of hindering the establishment of new nodes?
1017469;1423842839;mod6;danielpbarron: i don't have any evidence to support that.
1017470;1423842860;danielpbarron;it's a possibility though, right?
1017471;1423842863;mod6;doesn't mean that a few bad seeds aren't out there though. more research required.
1017472;1423842867;mod6;yeah
1017473;1423842875;mod6;i suppose anything is possible.
1017474;1423843345;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33142 @ 0.00041439 = 13.7337 BTC [-]
1017475;1423843894;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 44000 @ 0.00040548 = 17.8411 BTC [-]
1017476;1423843944;BingoBoingo;Passed the wedge block at 169390
1017477;1423844261;mod6;nice!
1017478;1423844279;mod6;you're on 0.7x tho right?
1017479;1423844350;BingoBoingo;Right
1017480;1423844396;BingoBoingo;The wedge issue was more related to which libssl gets compiled into the mess than the version though, isn't it
1017481;1423844437;mod6;well, so we think. but its not really apples to apples since that code base is so much different.
1017482;1423844460;mod6;but good to know anyway.
1017483;1423844903;danielpbarron;!gettrust assbot Jojatekok
1017484;1423844903;assbot;Jojatekok is not registered in WoT.
1017485;1423844906;danielpbarron;!up Jojatekok
1017486;1423844916;Jojatekok;ahh thanks :D
1017487;1423845297;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 48500 @ 0.00040275 = 19.5334 BTC [-] {2} 
1017488;1423845705;thestringpuller;mod6: if I upgrade openssl will I be able get past the wedge?
1017489;1423845740;thestringpuller;kinda annoyed @ the power rangers rite meow
1017490;1423845801;mod6;thestringpuller: ben & I were able to pass it once we upgraded to v1.0.1g
1017491;1423845845;mod6;thestringpuller: dont forget to give us a paste of the info though! plzkthx
1017492;1423846008;mircea_popescu;mike_c: oddly hypnotic: http://i.imgur.com/JHBwH3f.jpg << o great
1017493;1423846009;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1A4iEIF )
1017494;1423846041;mircea_popescu;mike_c: jurov: you're three right of mircea. thestringpuller is crowding you with his long name. << write names inclined 30 degrees ?
1017495;1423846342;mircea_popescu;jurov: lol why us? << chick's been reading trilema, http://trilema.com/2013/paid-content/#comment-112142 i guess this is her trying to be funnay.
1017496;1423846342;assbot;Paid content pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.  ... ( http://bit.ly/1A4jIMG )
1017497;1423846358;mircea_popescu;moral being, don't try to be funnay with people you don't know, it never works.
1017498;1423846406;mircea_popescu;;;later tell brendafdez: ^facebook^bitcoin << the posix format for this is /facebook/bitcoin/ in reference to the sed command.
1017499;1423846406;gribble;The operation succeeded.
1017500;1423846545;mircea_popescu;decimation: I remember using the boost/bdb that was available on the ports << if you could document what you did exactly it'd prolly save people time.
1017501;1423846633;mike_c;write names inclined 30 degrees << it's a circle, so that only helps depending on where you get placed on the circle.  i'm still poking at it though.
1017502;1423846723;chetty;http://www.ozy.com/fast-forward/tweeting-for-treatment-in-venezuela/38656.article
1017503;1423846724;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1A4kUzR )
1017504;1423847067;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11638 @ 0.00040227 = 4.6816 BTC [-]
1017505;1423847123;thestringpuller;;;seen mike_c
1017506;1423847123;gribble;mike_c was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 8 minutes and 9 seconds ago: <mike_c> write names inclined 30 degrees << it's a circle, so that only helps depending on where you get placed on the circle.  i'm still poking at it though.
1017507;1423847139;thestringpuller;mike_c: you around?
1017508;1423847153;thestringpuller;oh 1157 EST, i'm blind ~_~
1017509;1423847157;mircea_popescu;!up rucoi_
1017510;1423847169;mike_c;what's up
1017511;1423847185;thestringpuller;I've been using force layout via d3 to graph the lord's nodes
1017512;1423847207;thestringpuller;the centric dependency graph may get crazy
1017513;1423847271;mike_c;yeah, you need a serious package to handle a lot of nodes/edges.  igraph is the only i've found that does a good job so far.
1017514;1423847293;thestringpuller;I'm able to get 500 nodes with interactivity.
1017515;1423847372;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23200 @ 0.00040548 = 9.4071 BTC [+]
1017516;1423847388;thestringpuller;i was thinking of rendering as force layout without interactivity and then dumping the resulting SVG
1017517;1423847399;thestringpuller;then at least all nodes would be spaced
1017518;1423847425;mike_c;yeah, but you don't get a sense of tiers unless you use a tree layout
1017519;1423847520;mike_c;the one i posted is.. reingold/tilford with the radial layout instead of top-down
1017520;1423847601;thestringpuller;mike_c you can with nodes: cookiechief.com/wotviz
1017521;1423847638;mike_c;yeah, for l1 :)
1017522;1423847638;thestringpuller;each node spawns from a central point kinda like orbits
1017523;1423847652;thestringpuller;yea l2 will spawn from the orbits around l1
1017524;1423847666;thestringpuller;it's just an adjustment in force
1017525;1423847667;mike_c;when you add l2 it wants to do things like put nanotube way off by himself because he has a bajillion out nodes
1017526;1423847694;thestringpuller;ah d3 respond that way, it uses a different force algrotihm
1017527;1423847812;mircea_popescu;mike_c not necessarily bad is it ?
1017528;1423847836;mike_c;depends what you mean.  you lose all sense of l1, l2
1017529;1423847852;thestringpuller;mike_c: I can apply the data to tilford style tree: http://bl.ocks.org/mbostock/4063550
1017530;1423847856;mircea_popescu;ah that. ok ok nm, im not going to speak on things i don't have before eyes.
1017531;1423847860;thestringpuller;kinda like "tree of life"
1017532;1423847900;mike_c;thestringpuller: remember though, it's not just a tree, it's a forest
1017533;1423847916;mike_c;lot's of ratings between l1 members for example
1017534;1423848051;thestringpuller;http://bl.ocks.org/mbostock/1153292 << yea hence why that particular part is easier with a node graph
1017535;1423848075;thestringpuller;i'm terrible with d3 tho, it's just easy to represent data interactively with it.
1017536;1423848228;thestringpuller;I'll ;;later you what I come up with for L2 arrangement. These are interesting points to consider.
1017537;1423848296;mike_c;cool
1017538;1423848355;thestringpuller;lol playing with graphs. :P And you say you and academia don't get along.
1017539;1423848467;mike_c;hm.  maybe it was just the wrong academia.  shit gets published in here, peer reviewed, etc.  i guess that's a lot like academia.
1017540;1423848835;thestringpuller;:D
1017541;1423849217;ben_vulpes;peer review, testing in production, what's the difference anyways
1017542;1423849446;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12600 @ 0.00040227 = 5.0686 BTC [-]
1017543;1423849473;thestringpuller;ben_vulpes: you are the only advocate of cowboy coding I know of
1017544;1423849873;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 37450 @ 0.00040193 = 15.0523 BTC [-] {2} 
1017545;1423850103;ben_vulpes;thestringpuller: when have i ever done such?!
1017546;1423850148;thestringpuller;"Something something client asked me to change something on live server something something something in the logs." :)
1017547;1423850166;ben_vulpes;come back with actual citations, troll
1017548;1423850184;thestringpuller;!s from:ben_vulpes production
1017549;1423850185;assbot;15 results for 'from:ben_vulpes production' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=from%3Aben_vulpes+production
1017550;1423850229;ben_vulpes;glhf
1017551;1423850240;thestringpuller;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=14-01-2015#977678 << :D
1017552;1423850265;ben_vulpes;...
1017553;1423850271;ben_vulpes;i thought the automation was implicit.
1017554;1423850278;kakobrekla;what is this monologue, is noise hole polluting ?
1017555;1423850321;ben_vulpes;i can't tell if it's me or thestringpuller on your ignore list kakobrekla
1017556;1423850333;thestringpuller;everyone is on kakobrekla's ignore list
1017557;1423850334;kakobrekla;i can see you
1017558;1423850364;ben_vulpes;i guess that answers that
1017559;1423850375;kakobrekla;!rated thestringpuller
1017560;1423850375;assbot;You rated user thestringpuller on 17-Oct-2014, with a rating of -1, and supplied these additional notes: noise hole..
1017561;1423850383;kakobrekla;yeah see
1017562;1423850392;ben_vulpes;ok ok i'll do my own research next time
1017563;1423850520;thestringpuller;jus' like high school :D
1017564;1423853838;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17800 @ 0.00040592 = 7.2254 BTC [+] {2} 
1017565;1423854326;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 760 @ 0.00972077 = 7.3878 BTC [-] {9} 
1017566;1423854570;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 500 @ 0.01199429 = 5.9971 BTC [+] {3} 
1017567;1423855158;mircea_popescu;!up rucoi
1017568;1423855310;mircea_popescu;Subject: Unusual activity in your American Express account From: "American Express" <no-replay@amex.com>
1017569;1423855323;mircea_popescu;these would have to be quite unusual, i never owned an amex card.
1017570;1423855343;mircea_popescu;To secure your account , please click http://mail.amex.com/http://tarik4.awardspace.com/americanexpress/amex.html
1017571;1423855351;mircea_popescu;imagine this. amex is retarded enough to actually allow this.
1017572;1423855398;mircea_popescu;Received: from 64-178-159-35.eastlink.ca ([64.178.159.35]:63005 helo=amex.com)
1017573;1423855503;mircea_popescu;*: asciilifeform presently thinks that bitcoind should only ever be build statically << this is correct. consensus systems may NOT pull dynamic links. ever.
1017574;1423855546;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30210 @ 0.00040302 = 12.1752 BTC [-] {2} 
1017575;1423855561;mircea_popescu;punkman: if we replace openssl with libressl or whatever, how do we verify all the buggy data generated by 7 different openssl versions? << you mean in the blockchain ? the thing's actually coherent.
1017576;1423855830;mircea_popescu;" Look at how many responses you have received!  And only because you are so blindingly stubborn and /wrong/.  Be right about something, and nobody says a word, write something insightful that required much thought on your end, and you are guaranteed silence (but occasionally some uplifting mail)."
1017577;1423855833;mircea_popescu;awww poor naggum.
1017578;1423855857;mircea_popescu;"But say something utterly boneheaded that pisses people off simply because it is so stupid that people who make such rabid mistakes must be corrected, and you get to control the whole goddamn agenda in the newsgroup for a while."
1017579;1423855871;mircea_popescu;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lZD4ezDbbu4
1017580;1423855872;assbot;Bruce Springsteen - Born In The U.S.A. - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1vIN1pB )
1017581;1423856014;mircea_popescu;punkman: I wonder what the liberally sprinkled "CRITICAL_BLOCK" does << it acquires a blocking lock
1017582;1423856033;mircea_popescu;can't update OR READ the locked matter until released
1017583;1423856827;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28841 @ 0.00040853 = 11.7824 BTC [+]
1017584;1423856852;mircea_popescu;assbot: France calls for strong regulation of Bitcoin in EU counter-terrorist financing laws following Charlie Hebdo incident and an end to anonymous financial transactions << yes very logical.
1017585;1423856879;mircea_popescu;france keeps at this there will be a permanent bounty on dead french statesmen, in Bitcoin. and eventually, a dead France.
1017586;1423857064;mircea_popescu;!up JimJamReid
1017587;1423857135;JimJamReid;Hi All, I am currently conducting interviews for my university research paper on using Bitcoin as an alternative to traditional currencies, would anyone be interested in participating?
1017588;1423857202;mircea_popescu;ask, don't ask to ask.
1017589;1423858596;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22600 @ 0.00041048 = 9.2768 BTC [+]
1017590;1423858779;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14491 @ 0.00041048 = 5.9483 BTC [+]
1017591;1423858840;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4059 @ 0.0004149 = 1.6841 BTC [+]
1017592;1423859206;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 37391 @ 0.0004184 = 15.6444 BTC [+] {2} 
1017593;1423859267;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4209 @ 0.00042115 = 1.7726 BTC [+]
1017594;1423859320;mod6;A static build on debian 6 + v0.5.3 + patches { 1, rm_rf_upnp, 2, 3, 4, 6 & 7 } + openssl v1.0.1g failed: http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=P0Yt9c2U
1017595;1423859321;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/19fGpoo )
1017596;1423859338;mod6;This might be a show-stopper, will for sure need to fix before release.
1017597;1423859376;mircea_popescu;o.O
1017598;1423859466;mod6;Might need some help on these ones for sure.
1017599;1423859546;trinque;just looks like you need something in your library path
1017600;1423859550;mircea_popescu;"How you can hire me: You can't. I don't work for money. Money is a technology that destroys trust. Its entire purpose is to short-circuit human relationships in order to insert itself as a middleman. It makes everybody spend more money, at more emotional cost, for things that make us angry at each other. Don't offer to pay me. Seriously. If you offer me money, I will decline on principle."
1017601;1423859564;mircea_popescu;check out guy with a half notion of the problem, and a thoroughly broken nonsolution
1017602;1423859633;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26750 @ 0.00042585 = 11.3915 BTC [+] {4} 
1017603;1423859663;trinque;mod6: lots of chatter about "can't find -lgcc_s" on teh googles
1017604;1423859748;mod6;thanks trinque
1017605;1423860204;thestringpuller;mike_c: http://cookiechief.com/wotviz/ << This is what sheer number of L2 users creates. Trying to modify users force but with default settings as you said it loses sight of L2, but that's cause sheer number of users in L2.
1017606;1423860222;thestringpuller;loses sight of differentiation from L1 -> L2
1017607;1423860838;thestringpuller;mircea_popescu: http://cookiechief.com/wotviz/index_mp.html << version just for you :P
1017608;1423860853;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 49773 @ 0.00042736 = 21.271 BTC [+] {2} 
1017609;1423860914;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 46500 @ 0.00041963 = 19.5128 BTC [-]
1017610;1423860962;thestringpuller;!gettrust assbot topace
1017611;1423860962;assbot;Trust relationship from user assbot to user topace: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 2 connections. | http://w.b-a.link/trust/assbot/topace | http://w.b-a.link/user/topace
1017612;1423860987;thestringpuller;!gettrust assbot jgarzik
1017613;1423860988;assbot;Trust relationship from user assbot to user jgarzik: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 2 via 2 connections. | http://w.b-a.link/trust/assbot/jgarzik | http://w.b-a.link/user/jgarzik
1017614;1423861158;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10100 @ 0.00042795 = 4.3223 BTC [+]
1017615;1423861282;thestringpuller;yea assbot/wind 3
1017616;1423861288;thestringpuller;>:(
1017617;1423861585;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16594 @ 0.00042795 = 7.1014 BTC [+]
1017618;1423861829;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17300 @ 0.00040051 = 6.9288 BTC [-] {2} 
1017619;1423863293;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12352 @ 0.00042795 = 5.286 BTC [+]
1017620;1423863321;asciilifeform;'How you can hire me: You can't. I don't work for money....' << wai wat ??!
1017621;1423863407;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: amex is retarded enough to actually allow this << allow what?
1017622;1423863470;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform redirect to outside website.
1017623;1423863490;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: it doesn't...
1017624;1423863496;mircea_popescu;uh...
1017625;1423863504;mircea_popescu;how is this scam supposed to work then ?!
1017626;1423863509;mircea_popescu;(i confess didn't bother to click)
1017627;1423863512;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: buggy spamatron
1017628;1423863517;mircea_popescu;roflmao
1017629;1423863528;mircea_popescu;mabe they had the hole and fixed it ?
1017630;1423863567;mircea_popescu;re the "you can't" derp : he spends about half the page trying to beg for donations. because hey, money is only dirty if you actually EARN it. otherwise's fine. http://maymay.net/#how-you-can-support-me
1017631;1423863568;assbot;Meitar "maymay" Moscovitz: The Information Age equivalent of Johnny Appleseed ... ( http://bit.ly/1vJ5yC9 )
1017632;1423863593;mircea_popescu;in any case, i guess he never heard of whats-her-face, the supposed cali "poet" that did essentially the same but in the 70s, and died recently in abject poverty.
1017633;1423863607;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: not impossible. amex spends a pretty penny on (what passes for) spam and crapware control.
1017634;1423863608;mircea_popescu;was discussed here, forgot her name. untalented as all shit, too;
1017635;1423863662;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: where do you even find these... i could have lived and died without ever knowing about this fella
1017636;1423863928;danielpbarron;i know a guy who lives just like that; out of his car, refusing to work for money but not against taking handouts
1017637;1423863961;asciilifeform;there are beggar-kings who earn more than any, e.g., programmer
1017638;1423863979;mike_c;thestringpuller: quite a hairball :)
1017639;1423863994;mike_c;asciilifeform: did you see the other day that stemming got turned off?
1017640;1423864004;mike_c;you were in the field.
1017641;1423864075;asciilifeform;aha, neato
1017642;1423864089;mike_c;it does seem to work now
1017643;1423864111;asciilifeform;speaking of which, someone asked which robotic vacuum cleaner it was that had decent software. it was the one made by 'neato robotics co.'
1017644;1423864204;danielpbarron;wtf the dude has bigger tits than the hentai chick at the top of his page.. or is that also supposed to be a dude??
1017645;1423864243;asciilifeform;cthonian horror
1017646;1423864838;thestringpuller;mike_c: I don't know how one would do Reingold-Tilford that has multiple dependencies
1017647;1423865061;asciilifeform;re: the question of ripping out 'boost': not happening short of a total rewrite. it's used for virtually all iteration constructs, heterogeneous data structures, and 100 other things in the turd.
1017648;1423865114;asciilifeform;srsly, whoever asked that, read the damn thing. there's conceptually by far more 'boost' than straight cpp in there.
1017649;1423865184;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10950 @ 0.00042727 = 4.6786 BTC [-]
1017650;1423865223;thestringpuller;asciilifeform: i was wondering what was up with all the for loops trying to be python-like
1017651;1423865367;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11650 @ 0.00042727 = 4.9777 BTC [-]
1017652;1423866033;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform i reach far!
1017653;1423866109;mircea_popescu;danielpbarron stop oppressing dragons with your self-unaware patriarchical gender stereotypes.
1017654;1423866835;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform  there's conceptually by far more 'boost' than straight cpp in there. << i for one am thankful it's not mostly javascript.
1017655;1423866854;mircea_popescu;if you think about it, riding on qt "for the gui" is not so different from riding on the browser.
1017656;1423866870;mircea_popescu;we should count outselves lucky satoshi didn't implement bitcoin prototype as a fucking greasemonkey script.
1017657;1423866944;danielpbarron;i don't think i've ever actually used the qt client
1017658;1423867014;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 37794 @ 0.00042374 = 16.0148 BTC [-] {4} 
1017659;1423867035;mircea_popescu;mod6: it'd be awesome because then derps would give up and go and play with hula-hoops << technically speaking this is what's happening already.
1017660;1423867072;mircea_popescu;Adlai: good dad, just keep walking down this road! << a winner is you, srsly.
1017661;1423867101;mircea_popescu;danielpbarron: is there any evidence to suggest that  << nope.
1017662;1423867120;mircea_popescu;danielpbarron: it's a possibility though, right? << yeah, but from all i've seen it's a very remote one.
1017663;1423867206;Adlai;?
1017664;1423867318;mircea_popescu;it's won, what. your dad will eventually get it.
1017665;1423867390;Adlai;well i imagine that when it happens, nobody will be able to not get it, because it'll happen rather happeningly
1017666;1423867425;Adlai;so "eventually" isn't good enough
1017667;1423867479;mircea_popescu;not your place to make ~that~ call.
1017668;1423867517;mircea_popescu;the part that actually is your place, is done. welcome to parenting!
1017669;1423867518;mircea_popescu;(it sucks)
1017670;1423867539;Adlai;it's funny/sad how parenting reverses over time
1017671;1423867567;mircea_popescu;i guess so huh.
1017672;1423867613;asciilifeform;for what 'qt' does, there is no real alternative (other than 'wx', which is arguably even more of a cthonian horror in some ways)
1017673;1423867639;mircea_popescu;browser is an alternative.
1017674;1423867652;asciilifeform;now, did the thing -need- a cross-platfom gui? don't ask me, i've never used it...
1017675;1423867663;mircea_popescu;c code is cross-plantrofm.
1017676;1423867686;asciilifeform;gui, remember
1017677;1423867718;mircea_popescu;this is not the correct approach. make bitcoin, then let everyone make their own guis.
1017678;1423867744;mircea_popescu;people DID make their own miners.
1017679;1423868167;asciilifeform;lol, i still don't know why it needed the gui at all
1017680;1423868212;mircea_popescu;kinda same reason women need tits.
1017681;1423868217;mircea_popescu;not like they wouldn't work without em.
1017682;1423868285;mircea_popescu;;;later tell rucoi fix your bouncer
1017683;1423868285;gribble;The operation succeeded.
1017684;1423868380;asciilifeform;if i could fork myself, i'd be severely tempted to: attempt an ada bitcoind.
1017685;1423868430;thestringpuller;mircea_popescu: re: could you imaginge if Gavin was magically replaced by ryanxcharles?
1017686;1423868445;mircea_popescu;i'd have thoughjt a cl bitcoind
1017687;1423868456;mircea_popescu;or for that matter a c bitcoind (as opposed to cpp)
1017688;1423868534;thestringpuller;the original qt uses MFC stuff
1017689;1423868547;thestringpuller;Satoshi sure did like windows.
1017690;1423868583;mircea_popescu;i suspect ti's a case very close to the ida situation asciilifeform was deploring last week
1017691;1423868607;mircea_popescu;we're so fucking lucky satoshi wasn't any good with code.
1017692;1423868630;asciilifeform;i suspect that mircea_popescu would actually like ada. not writing it, mind you, but seeing it written
1017693;1423868646;BingoBoingo;!b 2
1017694;1423868646;assbot;Last 2 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/2MMH5KE.txt )
1017695;1423868647;mircea_popescu;i'm not entirely unfamiliar.
1017696;1423868654;mircea_popescu;!s ada from:mircea
1017697;1423868655;assbot;1 results for 'ada from:mircea' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=ada+from%3Amircea
1017698;1423868658;asciilifeform;naggum's -other- lang. the only one other than cl that had not only a standard but a -rationale document- for every page
1017699;1423868678;mircea_popescu;hm.
1017700;1423868684;mircea_popescu;i thought i musta mentioned it
1017701;1423868706;asciilifeform;still used for genuinely safety-critical systems worldwide (virtually all jet engine controllers, etc.) - language from hell, required you to specify ranges for integers, and the like
1017702;1423868730;mircea_popescu;uh. what typed language doesn't ?!
1017703;1423868734;asciilifeform;i confess that i rather like it...
1017704;1423868744;mircea_popescu;going int blabla; says : blabla between 0 and 65535 or w/e
1017705;1423868761;asciilifeform;nononono - explicitly.
1017706;1423868816;mircea_popescu;listen, everything in a program is explicit. whethr the user is aware or not of this...
1017707;1423868824;mircea_popescu;no means yes. yes means anal. it's how computiong works.
1017708;1423868834;asciilifeform;as in 'this one is odd and between 3 and 15 and if it ever isn't, pump in the halon
1017709;1423868865;mircea_popescu;not that i disagree with the principle of making people verbalize the stuff they're abotu to do.
1017710;1423868890;asciilifeform;http://cs.fit.edu/~ryan/ada/programs << examples
1017711;1423868891;assbot;Ada Programs ... ( http://bit.ly/1Cpq1LF )
1017712;1423868905;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34100 @ 0.00042927 = 14.6381 BTC [+]
1017713;1423868928;asciilifeform;ugly, pascal-like, but extraordinarily well-specified and strict to the point of bdsm
1017714;1423868946;mircea_popescu;lol so yest someone hit trilema in what originally looked like a ddos, except... single ip ? ~1mn pageloads ?
1017715;1423868949;mircea_popescu;turns out it's http://anti-hacker-alliance.com/index.php?details=74.121.38.141
1017716;1423868950;assbot;The Anti Hacker Alliance fights against 74.121.38.141 ... ( http://bit.ly/1Cpqb5O )
1017717;1423869001;mircea_popescu;now wtf is "shutterfly"
1017718;1423869015;mircea_popescu;and wtf is "the anti hacker alliance"
1017719;1423869070;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: apparently, a defunct (?) print house? - hacked box
1017720;1423869092;mircea_popescu;derps. world is full of derps.
1017721;1423869092;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: while the latter appears to be an erzats 'spamhaus' ?
1017722;1423869159;mircea_popescu;oh, xrumer harvester.
1017723;1423869165;mircea_popescu;lmao idiots.
1017724;1423869545;mircea_popescu;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WaGvcAOcA_s << cuties.
1017725;1423869547;assbot;Ансамбль "Белое злато" - Казаченька молода - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1D60h9X )
1017726;1423869626;mircea_popescu;they'd be a lot better if drunk imo.
1017727;1423869871;TheNewDeal;;;Nethash
1017728;1423869871;gribble;309409813.454
1017729;1423869894;TheNewDeal;Ewww
1017730;1423870643;mircea_popescu;http://hyperboleandahalf.blogspot.ro/2011/10/adventures-in-depression.html << holy shit, this actually happens ?
1017731;1423870644;assbot;Hyperbole and a Half: Adventures in Depression ... ( http://bit.ly/1CpvMce )
1017732;1423871062;thestringpuller;can't wait to read on qntra one day: "Gavin Admits to Being USG Agent, Leaves Bitcoin Forever"
1017733;1423871155;mircea_popescu;qntra is about news, you're thinking more in terms of daytime tv drama.
1017734;1423871179;mircea_popescu;at this point i'm not even sure gavin jumping off the coq d'argent would qualify as bitcoin news.
1017735;1423871492;mircea_popescu;!up Stunna
1017736;1423871769;mircea_popescu;https://www.quantcast.com/qntra.net << look at that, for once qntra traffic graph is not thrown by some social media spike so you8 can actually see some pattern
1017737;1423871770;assbot;                  Qntra.net Traffic and Demographic Statistics by Quantcast                   ... ( http://bit.ly/1CpzhiN )
1017738;1423872011;cazalla;feb is on track to be another record month
1017739;1423872244;mircea_popescu;o srsly ?
1017740;1423872245;mircea_popescu;coolness
1017741;1423872324;*;mircea_popescu makes a note that should anyone wish to "see studies" supporting the proposition of http://trilema.com/2014/how-to-deal-with-pseudoscience/ (ie, that *EVERYTHING* published in English is junk, and to be discarded out of hand), I intend to use http://thelastpsychiatrist.com/2006/10/jama_deludes.html
1017742;1423872325;assbot;How to deal with pseudoscience ? pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.  ... ( http://bit.ly/1CpB87s )
1017743;1423872326;assbot;The Last Psychiatrist: What Political Propaganda Looks Like ... ( http://bit.ly/1CpB9s2 )
1017744;1423872336;mircea_popescu;absolutely perfect example of the pseudoscientific nature of American "science".
1017745;1423872359;asciilifeform;http://www.ada95.ch/index.php?page=morris << unrelated lulz
1017746;1423872360;assbot;Ada95.ch - morris ... ( http://bit.ly/1CpBeMc )
1017747;1423872447;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform minor nitpick : all these people that never ever head foreman'd a construction yard shjould stfu about "tools". the tools used to build a skyscraper are, by and large, cheaper, more worn versions of the expensive DIY crap.
1017748;1423872472;mircea_popescu;exactly like how the rifles used to fight actual wars are nothing like the crazy-shit-stick-on-all-sides "amateur" rifles.
1017749;1423872564;mircea_popescu;and unrelatedly, http://pretendyoure.xyz
1017750;1423872584;mircea_popescu;shit it's dead.
1017751;1423872625;mircea_popescu;"4. if you have the intellectual and physical capacity to single-handedly deal with your program, it's a toy " <<< sheeit alf, what nao ?
1017752;1423872813;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 145 @ 0.01199999 = 1.74 BTC [+]
1017753;1423873224;BingoBoingo;punkman: if we replace openssl with libressl or whatever, how do we verify all the buggy data generated by 7 different openssl versions? << For the time being... empirically. There a set with six year's worth a data to test against by syncing.
1017754;1423873546;mike_c;those qntra spikes are important though.  1% of the flash traffic sticks around and becomes regular reader
1017755;1423873667;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17950 @ 0.00042605 = 7.6476 BTC [-]
1017756;1423873761;mircea_popescu;but the spikes are never 100x the averae traffic. usually 10-15x
1017757;1423873769;mircea_popescu;so using your numbers... they're actually unimportant.
1017758;1423873888;mircea_popescu;in other news, firefox spontaneously combusts unattended on a 4 day old system. and they call this software.
1017759;1423873937;BingoBoingo;!up whaack
1017760;1423873938;mike_c;RENT just passed one year
1017761;1423873953;BingoBoingo;whaack> can i have an up! por favor << He said please
1017762;1423873965;whaack;i did indeed
1017763;1423873982;mike_c;ben_vulpes: RENT is on big bull run
1017764;1423874185;mircea_popescu;!t h rent
1017765;1423874186;assbot;[HAVELOCK:RENT] 1D: 0.00935000 / 0.01054944 / 0.01200000 (2246 shares, 23.69404349 BTC), 7D: 0.00851001 / 0.01030218 / 0.01200000 (2730 shares, 28.12494993 BTC), 30D: 0.00505000 / 0.00827112 / 0.01200000 (7238 shares, 59.86634509 BTC)
1017766;1423874213;mircea_popescu;what was it back around 700 usd/ btc ? like 3 ish ?
1017767;1423874216;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 2985 @ 0.00075004 = 2.2389 BTC [-] {7} 
1017768;1423874235;mike_c;floated around 0045 for a long time
1017769;1423874241;whaack;how / where can I find more bitcoin stock markets like MPex?
1017770;1423874258;mike_c;nowhere
1017771;1423874265;whaack;no smaller ones?
1017772;1423874340;BingoBoingo;not if you are comparing like things
1017773;1423874424;mike_c;try this one: https://btct.co/
1017774;1423874426;assbot;BTC-TC: BTC Trading Corp ... ( http://bit.ly/1DpWm6H )
1017775;1423874480;kakobrekla;> They were called Virtual Currencies, now many prefer to call them Digital Currency or Crypto Currency.
1017776;1423874481;kakobrekla;lol
1017777;1423874510;kakobrekla;helluva argument
1017778;1423874573;mike_c;"The site broke new ground for security in the space, integrating Yubikey and Google Authenticator"
1017779;1423874589;whaack;lmfao
1017780;1423874633;mike_c;!gettrust assbot burnside
1017781;1423874633;assbot;Trust relationship from user assbot to user burnside: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 2 connections. | http://w.b-a.link/trust/assbot/burnside | http://w.b-a.link/user/burnside
1017782;1423874691;kakobrekla;whaack https://bitfunder.com < also still up
1017783;1423874692;assbot;BitFunder.Com - Join the crowd, every BIT helps! ... ( http://bit.ly/1yz3Fm9 )
1017784;1423874760;mircea_popescu;and of course once that crashes it brings down the networking stack, which on ubuntu can NOT actually be restarted, mostly because it fucks up dbus and everything else.
1017785;1423874787;mircea_popescu;in other words : i have nfi why we care so much about systemd, in fact linux has been fucked over for years now, by completely unrelated crapolade like ubunbtu.
1017786;1423874845;whaack;how many people in here have read the bitcoin core code? would anyone here consider to know it well?
1017787;1423874847;mircea_popescu;!isup glbse.com
1017788;1423874919;BingoBoingo;whaack: I had to chop mine up these past few days. It's C++ you search the text and nuke shit that you dun like.
1017789;1423875025;mircea_popescu;whaack do yourselv a favour and read the logs for an actual result, rather than !imperative all over the place and a) not get anything except for b) marking yourself for termination.
1017790;1423875043;BingoBoingo;<mircea_popescu> in other words : i have nfi why we care so much about systemd, in fact linux has been fucked over for years now, by completely unrelated crapolade like ubunbtu. << It's a twin story. Pain and Dis-Able
1017791;1423875074;mircea_popescu;there still is no substitute for homework. "socializing" not only fails to substitute, but actually has serious counterindications.
1017792;1423875084;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo heh i guess itis.
1017793;1423875141;whaack;fair enough
1017794;1423875295;BingoBoingo;Dis-Able was first born. Disable spend many years in the shadows ruining sound and making daemon no one wanted. Pain came into the world with a bang out of Africa, promised ease at the cost of nothing working as expectabru. Two years ago they each decided to play the other's part and now systemd is loud while ubuntu silent becomes the quiet daemon that breaks apps in the background.
1017795;1423875342;mircea_popescu;you should go into impressionism, this is chilling.
1017796;1423875428;mircea_popescu;http://thelastpsychiatrist.com/2006/10/how_to_get_rich_in_psychiatry.html << there's little quite as endearing as the misty excitement of a noob stockpicker.
1017797;1423875429;assbot;The Last Psychiatrist: How To Get Rich In Psychiatry (update on stocks) ... ( http://bit.ly/1DpY4oC )
1017798;1423876257;BingoBoingo;n00b stockpicker me from freshman year of college really should have held those Sun shares through to the buyout instead of playing the hi-lo game
1017799;1423876296;mircea_popescu;nene
1017800;1423876339;BingoBoingo;I bought at $3.80-ish Oracle bought at $16 ish
1017801;1423876360;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: ...sheeit alf, what nao << not my fault if the poor sod contracted 'brainwater' and can't hold systems in his head
1017802;1423876389;mircea_popescu;lol
1017803;1423876428;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu:  brings down the networking stack... fucks up dbus and everything else... nfi why we care so much about systemd, in fact linux has been fucked over for years now << you will find that the ubuntu 'stack' that can 'go down' consists almost wholly of poetteringisms
1017804;1423876455;asciilifeform;'dbus' is unofficially but quite thoroughly a poetteringism, for instance
1017805;1423876495;asciilifeform;other observation is that 'ubuntu' (with the above atrocities and many others) is no more 'linux' than wintel 'is what a computer is'
1017806;1423876532;mircea_popescu;which is why i said.
1017807;1423876559;mircea_popescu;it's like syphilis patient getting really excited about a phase 3 lesion on his nose.
1017808;1423876572;mircea_popescu;dude... srsly missed the boat on that whole health thing.
1017809;1423876587;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: what possessed you to set up the experiment described earlier?
1017810;1423876595;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7523 @ 0.00042605 = 3.2052 BTC [-]
1017811;1423876596;mircea_popescu;not my machine.
1017812;1423876603;mircea_popescu;"hey mp, wtf happened to my laptop ?"
1017813;1423876626;mircea_popescu;what am i going to do now, corner time on knees ?
1017814;1423876695;mircea_popescu;not about to do that. girl's 19, and more importantly ITS REALLY NOT HER GOD DAMNED FAULT.
1017815;1423877797;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: gurl enlisted with ubuntu machine? or forcibly deloused of winblows upon induction ?
1017816;1423877812;mircea_popescu;latter.
1017817;1423877819;asciilifeform;aha, guessed as much.
1017818;1423877823;mircea_popescu;not precisely inducted either. it's a process.
1017819;1423877945;mircea_popescu;27.153.187.242 - - [13/Feb/2015:17:04:50 -0500] "GET /2013/what-is-art/%22%7C%22--%22%7C%22--%22%7C%22--%22%7C%22--%22%7C%22--%22 HTTP/1.1" 404 28932 "http://trilema.com/2013/what-is-art/\"|\"--\"|\"--\"|\"--\"|\"--\"|\"--\"" "Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 6.0; Windows NT 5.1; SV1; .NET CLR 2.0.50727)"
1017820;1423877963;mircea_popescu;for my curiosity, what is this supposed to even be ? like a sql injection ?
1017821;1423878289;BingoBoingo;That would be my guess
1017822;1423878436;mircea_popescu;and what, "enough" similar magic units to "do the job" ? looks like people try to hack like psychs try to medicate.
1017823;1423878451;mircea_popescu;"hey, --\" didn't do anything on it's own, but what if you add another ?!?!
1017824;1423878628;BingoBoingo;Could also be they might have been trying to trigger a resource intensive search?
1017825;1423878758;mircea_popescu;mebbe i guess.
1017826;1423878763;mircea_popescu;http://31.media.tumblr.com/7be0f7b7783c8a86fc50a08c5cf2ca70/tumblr_ne2ak2Mm1u1tatbbfo1_400.gif
1017827;1423878766;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1yzgzRi )
1017828;1423878795;BingoBoingo;I'm just watching the blocks sync and thinking to the history I and verifying as it passed. Solidly in the S.Dice era nao
1017829;1423878805;mircea_popescu;it's fascinating innit!
1017830;1423878863;BingoBoingo;It's soothing.
1017831;1423878950;BingoBoingo;After smashing my head these past few days through the painful part of the learing process... The software is now working for me instead of I for it.
1017832;1423878950;mircea_popescu;"A similar example is the often cited myth that diagnosis of bipolar disorder is frequently missed.  A survey found that 69% of patients were actually misdiagnosed, most often as having regular depression.  An average of 4 physicians were consulted �prior to receiving the correct diagnosis.�  But who is to say what is the correct diagnosis, when the diagnosis is based on vague and overlapping descriptions (and not
1017833;1423878951;mircea_popescu;on objective pathology?)  You can look at this the other way, and say only 1 out of 5 psychiatrists felt it was bipolar disorder, while the other 80% thought it was depression.   So it pays to have the last word.  Bipolar disorder is �frequently missed� not because it exists and doctors miss it, but because it is defined in a way which allows it, by 80% of doctors, to be legitimately called something else.  The onl
1017834;1423878951;mircea_popescu;y way to say the diagnosis was correct or incorrect, in the absence of objective pathology, is to say that the treatment they received for �bipolar disorder� from the fifth doctor was better (read: safer or more efficacious) than the treatment they received from the first four.  This is not evident. "
1017835;1423878955;mircea_popescu;fucking gold, this.
1017836;1423879002;mircea_popescu;this, incidentally, is EXACTLY the mechanism through which "80% of rapes are unreported".
1017837;1423879028;mircea_popescu;out of five women that weren't raped, only one runs into idiots spouting insane troll logic that convinces her she retroactively was.
1017838;1423879102;BingoBoingo;Re: bipolar - no one complains about feeling manic until the police get involved. Plenty of people spend lots of money of coffee and bolivian marching poweder trying to come close.
1017839;1423879118;asciilifeform;^
1017840;1423879135;mircea_popescu;which, by proxy, is in point of fact a measure of the social influence / discoursive relevance of the insane trolls in question, and so yes it is a legitimate measure for them to target.
1017841;1423879143;asciilifeform;just like it's not priapism till the fun is over and gangrene starts
1017842;1423879162;mircea_popescu;but this from a machiavellian "how do we become more powerful" troll logic perspective, and spcifically not from a "helping raped women" or "helpiong women" perspective.
1017843;1423879235;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo actually in functional family arrangements manic episodes are usually the modern parlance equivalent of what used to be "senile aggitation", ie, granpa keeps grabbing jane's ass.
1017844;1423879238;mircea_popescu;-> thorazine.
1017845;1423879301;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: i think BingoBoingo was referring to the american usage - artist (or compulsive bathroom cleaner, see the old 'meth' thread) who stays awake for two weeks straight on 'manic episode' etc
1017846;1423879314;BingoBoingo;^ That definition
1017847;1423879318;mircea_popescu;oh
1017848;1423879329;asciilifeform;except he is didn't need to take the dope
1017849;1423879332;BingoBoingo;American clinical definition
1017850;1423879334;mircea_popescu;that's not what mania is, clinically, is it ?!
1017851;1423879342;mircea_popescu;jesus that place is nuts.
1017852;1423879353;asciilifeform;iirc dsm4,5 - yes
1017853;1423879400;mircea_popescu;if anyone told engel that they can have manic episodes lasting over 24 hours now he'd have caned them.
1017854;1423879408;BingoBoingo;dsm 3,4,5
1017855;1423879414;BingoBoingo;probably earlier
1017856;1423879430;mircea_popescu;(the psych, not the anarchist)
1017857;1423879514;BingoBoingo;What can I say, the brokeness of English systemically effect domains people purport to be actual
1017858;1423879576;BingoBoingo;208378, took much of the off because I wasn't there to restart it while sleeping.
1017859;1423879592;asciilifeform;what is BingoBoingo running, again ?
1017860;1423879595;mircea_popescu;i think if i close my eyes and push on them really really hard i can almost sorta see the logic of this transformation.
1017861;1423879606;*;asciilifeform was off in meatspace with people, missed quite a bit
1017862;1423879609;mircea_popescu;it's brainwater.
1017863;1423879659;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: 0.7.2 -qt on OpenBSD with some 0.5.3.1 patches applied as they can be (i.e. scrolling reading and fingers rather than patch utility)
1017864;1423879679;asciilifeform;neato
1017865;1423879681;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: Executable was finally birthed this morning
1017866;1423879684;asciilifeform;but why 0.7.2 ?
1017867;1423879739;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: To see if it can be done. And what is the latest that still takes more of the sane patches. (entire leveldb series is out because making that build would be too much hell)
1017868;1423879778;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: that probably is the latest, yes.
1017869;1423879779;BingoBoingo;-qt just so there's more flags and libs to play with to plumb te differences between the platforms
1017870;1423879782;asciilifeform;unrelated,
1017871;1423879806;asciilifeform;https://www.sparkfun.com/products/13233 << picture the sex applications of this suddenly inexpensive trabambourghini
1017872;1423879810;assbot;FLiR Dev Kit - KIT-13233 - SparkFun Electronics ... ( http://bit.ly/1yzjSI2 )
1017873;1423879890;asciilifeform;^ microbolometer. http://www.pureengineering.com/projects/lepton << original vendor
1017874;1423879891;assbot;Lepton - PureEngineering ... ( http://bit.ly/1yzk8GV )
1017875;1423879903;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: Build did not require the OSsuX ifdefs, but had to kill one linux ifdef and switch a boost lib called for another.
1017876;1423879920;BingoBoingo;Beast utilizes both CPU cores
1017877;1423880238;BingoBoingo;So far all crashes have come from malloc enforcing limits on its memory usage (512 MB by default) now giving it a go with moar ram.
1017878;1423880261;asciilifeform;^ wai wat, BingoBoingo has a custom malloc() replacement ?
1017879;1423880295;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: No OpenBSD has this stuff built in. Changing process Ram limits happens in login.conf
1017880;1423880303;BingoBoingo;I just changed a line
1017881;1423880305;asciilifeform;ah ordinary quota.
1017882;1423880338;BingoBoingo;I dunno why I've been keeping the BSD stuff to toy and appliance uses for so long.
1017883;1423880356;*;asciilifeform had a freebsd desktop for many years
1017884;1423880363;BingoBoingo;Next to social engineering inertia has to be the second biggest threat out there.
1017885;1423880439;BingoBoingo;I'm loving everything off by default and useful manpages.
1017886;1423880481;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: everything off by default << not quite true. try building 'xorg' followed by 'emacs' and see end up with dbus, other horrors
1017887;1423880502;asciilifeform;^ assuming this was a recent openbsd
1017888;1423880528;BingoBoingo;5.6
1017889;1423880541;asciilifeform;^ was the one where i observed this
1017890;1423880560;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10900 @ 0.00042639 = 4.6477 BTC [+]
1017891;1423880580;BingoBoingo;I'm leting DBUS live for now, doesn't seem to do much other than die a lot
1017892;1423880686;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: it lets in various 'fun' like letting everything running on machine send arbitrary commands to virtually any gtk app (e.g., 'xchat')
1017893;1423880687;BingoBoingo;From what I understand commercial shop Mtier which does a lot of their ports does "OpenBSD with Gnome and support contracts" as golden toilet product.
1017894;1423880698;BingoBoingo;Ah
1017895;1423880779;BingoBoingo;!up rucoi
1017896;1423880797;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: I am liking though that the xserver is not running as root
1017897;1423881289;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform the sex applications of this suddenly inexpensive  >> uh what, predict ovulation ?
1017898;1423881300;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: target selector ?
1017899;1423881304;mircea_popescu;hm ?
1017900;1423881336;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=22-04-2014#634660 << related
1017901;1423881336;assbot;Logged on 22-04-2014 12:51:23; asciilifeform: phun phact: as a student, i once seriously planned to build a pocket gas chromatographer, to pick up gurlz. how!? to do this - exercise for alert reader.
1017902;1423881370;mircea_popescu;...
1017903;1423881423;*;asciilifeform is out of his depth, does not know if wunderwaffen based on arousal monitoring via far ir thermovisor is a plausible thing
1017904;1423881449;mircea_popescu;well... in the sense bitcoind debugging via cpu ekg is a viable strategy.
1017905;1423881463;asciilifeform;presumably would be used for selection narrowing in target-rich environment
1017906;1423881498;mircea_popescu;if you think you can beat the primate brain with your electonic contraptions i have a rule based expert system to sell you.
1017907;1423881541;mircea_popescu;you'll probably do pretty ok picking up the ecstasy-peaking chicks in a rave, i'll grant you that.
1017908;1423881554;mircea_popescu;whether they hear anything you're saying or not tho is up for debate.
1017909;1423881572;asciilifeform;this'd be more of a prosthetic version of some folks' ability to 'read body signs' of arousal/lack thereof
1017910;1423881576;asciilifeform;at short (sword) range
1017911;1423881604;mircea_popescu;temperature is a very poor variable tho. you'll just end up with a lot of flu.
1017912;1423881610;asciilifeform;not of whole body!
1017913;1423881620;asciilifeform;nobody needs that
1017914;1423881625;mircea_popescu;candida infections.
1017915;1423881626;asciilifeform;(except ebola scanner)
1017916;1423881637;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: actually - precedent
1017917;1423881654;asciilifeform;for a short time in 1980s, liquid crystal thermo-indicator shirts were fashionable in usa
1017918;1423881656;asciilifeform;even pants
1017919;1423881660;asciilifeform;but were phased out, guess why
1017920;1423881669;asciilifeform;(and it had nothing to do with infections)
1017921;1423881669;mircea_popescu;they didn't work ?
1017922;1423881679;asciilifeform;nope, precisely the fact that -did- work..
1017923;1423881734;mircea_popescu;i dunno, leuco jewelry was more or less popular in ro, ever since the 80s
1017924;1423881751;mircea_popescu;it remains in use by basically the same demo : slightly insecure 16 yo chicks that'll go into psychology.
1017925;1423881826;mircea_popescu;maybe you're right and the deep reason is that it gives away more than peoplewant to.
1017926;1423881835;asciilifeform;http://www.blogadilla.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/07/hypercolor-products.jpg
1017927;1423881837;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/173Xwbq )
1017928;1423881862;mircea_popescu;lol. the sign of a healthy nubile female.
1017929;1423881864;asciilifeform;^ took surprisingly long to dredge up
1017930;1423881868;mircea_popescu;her cunt's always warm
1017931;1423881881;asciilifeform;always warm << one would presumably be looking for the deltas.
1017932;1423881886;asciilifeform;rather than absolute value
1017933;1423881922;[]bot;Bet placed: 1.05761 BTC for No on "Bitcoin to drop under $100 before April" http://bitbet.us/bet/1108/ Odds: 14(Y):86(N) by coin, 16(Y):84(N) by weight. Total bet: 13.93457636 BTC. Current weight: 55,392.
1017934;1423881926;asciilifeform;now, mircea_popescu does not need this instrument, eagle does not need a glider
1017935;1423881932;asciilifeform;but some folks might find a use.
1017936;1423881939;mircea_popescu;well, so who does ? the snail ?
1017937;1423881952;mircea_popescu;snail with glider just set itserlf up for trauimatic failure.
1017938;1423881969;asciilifeform;'if man was meant to fly... given wings' - ?
1017939;1423881993;mircea_popescu;not exactly, more like, "if god had meant me to gamble 10k dollars in this casino, he'd have given me 10k dollars"
1017940;1423882033;asciilifeform;lol
1017941;1423882054;mircea_popescu;let's indulge this fiction for the sake of potential literature. so you pick a target this way, and somehow it works out and now it's morning and she's in bed.
1017942;1423882067;mircea_popescu;do you skip to where the machine got abandoned and read her again ?
1017943;1423882083;BingoBoingo;<mircea_popescu> not exactly, more like, "if god had meant me to gamble 10k dollars in this casino, he'd have given me 10k dollars" << Nah, he'd just make the credit officer in the cage a bit wet on the brain
1017944;1423882085;mircea_popescu;if you end up in a divorce ten years later, do you take the machine to court ?
1017945;1423882094;asciilifeform;actually i suspect that the fun would stop very soon after strapping on (presumably it would have to be worn at waist level! disguised as a fly button?!)
1017946;1423882110;mircea_popescu;see, this is setting yourself up for failure.
1017947;1423882114;asciilifeform;walk into $targetrichenvironment and discover soon - no targets
1017948;1423882117;mircea_popescu;if i had this machinery, you know how i'd use it ?
1017949;1423882121;mircea_popescu;ID SHOW IT TO THE WOMAN
1017950;1423882121;asciilifeform;not for $user at least
1017951;1423882138;mircea_popescu;why the fuck disguise it. the mentality that cunt's the enemy is principally what keeps geeks in an onansitic state.
1017952;1423882173;asciilifeform;SHOW IT TO THE WOMAN << lol, mircea_popescu must have spoken with asciilifeform's $pet re: how they met
1017953;1423882176;mircea_popescu;you go like, "Hey, guess why I'm talking to you ?"
1017954;1423882182;mircea_popescu;lol ?
1017955;1423882194;mircea_popescu;<mircea_popescu> let's indulge this fiction for the sake of potential literature. << I PREDICTED!
1017956;1423882196;mircea_popescu;now let's hear it.
1017957;1423882219;*;asciilifeform did not actually carry out this experiment! but was setting up for a variation on the theme, and this got out in his social circle
1017958;1423882320;*;asciilifeform suffers from a peculiarly obscene perversion: has a hard time taking an interest in gurlz detectably stupider than him
1017959;1423882333;*;asciilifeform thus had many strange plans, as a young man, for how to narrow the set
1017960;1423882378;mircea_popescu;this is insanity. you want a girl that can be smart, not a girl that can't be stupid, for some arbitrary levels of either. just like you seek a horse that can run quickly, not a horse that is never still.
1017961;1423882387;asciilifeform;this is not an interesting story per se except in the form of advice to young folks like BingoBoingo - don't do it!
1017962;1423882411;mircea_popescu;bb is young ?!
1017963;1423882416;asciilifeform;iirc
1017964;1423882425;BingoBoingo;27 or 28 years young
1017965;1423882438;BingoBoingo;Fuck 28
1017966;1423882484;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: how to tell if horse can-run-quickly without seeing it run ?
1017967;1423882495;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: yes, you can eliminate horse with missing leg
1017968;1423882499;asciilifeform;or one that's been shot
1017969;1423882510;BingoBoingo;https://imgur.com/cGqdtO3 << desktop atm
1017970;1423882511;assbot;                        Imgur ... ( http://bit.ly/1B99rSq )
1017971;1423882513;asciilifeform;but doesn't tell whether can run. only that isn't out of the race yet.
1017972;1423882542;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: ugh what is that
1017973;1423882561;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: xfce, still cleansing/purging toolset
1017974;1423882740;BingoBoingo;Background is Memorial Union at Mizzou, built in the days every public uni campus in USia was built in memorian falen soldiers of the franz fredinand police action against germany
1017975;1423883795;thestringpuller;mod6: it stopped responding to get_info or at least it looks like it's hanging
1017976;1423884815;thestringpuller;damn this shit grinds to a halt as the blocks get bigger.
1017977;1423884826;asciilifeform;which 'this'
1017978;1423884835;thestringpuller;0.5.3.1
1017979;1423884843;thestringpuller;with openssl 0.9something
1017980;1423884855;thestringpuller;Bitcoin 0.5.3.1***
1017981;1423884860;asciilifeform;classical or orphanage-burning ?
1017982;1423884877;thestringpuller;i don't grok :(
1017983;1423884899;asciilifeform;thestringpuller: http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2015-January/000038.html
1017984;1423884899;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1Kfln4D )
1017985;1423884952;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7375 @ 0.00042782 = 3.1552 BTC [+] {2} 
1017986;1423885135;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5625 @ 0.00043311 = 2.4362 BTC [+]
1017987;1423885291;*;BingoBoingo not burning bastards, also has not come the slightest bit close to the old RAM limit since implementing new one.
1017988;1423885388;thestringpuller;asciilifeform: its classic
1017989;1423885418;thestringpuller;i used mod6 's script to do download/compilation
1017990;1423885467;*;asciilifeform is not at all interested in running infinitely-memcancerous bitcoind nor can recommend it to others. but also cannot recommend the experimental patch.
1017991;1423885494;*;asciilifeform will show the next attempt at a proper fix reasonably soon.
1017992;1423885494;cazalla;incase scoopbot isn't working http://qntra.net/2015/02/excoin-exchange-to-shut-down-amid-claims-of-theft/
1017993;1423885494;assbot;Excoin Exchange To Shut Down Amid Claims Of Theft | Qntra.net ... ( http://bit.ly/1AyATYG )
1017994;1423885640;asciilifeform;'The altcoin exchange Excoin has announced that it will soon shut down after alleging that an attacker was able to withdraw all the bitcoins from the exchange. With a trading engine written in Go, Excoin launched what was predominantly a Blackcoin exchange...' << in other news, some animal stole the heap of shit a fox deposited in my yard.
1017995;1423885671;asciilifeform;or wait, they had btc too ?
1017996;1423885691;cazalla;along with some shitty altcoins
1017997;1423885708;asciilifeform;'...featured a proof of reserve page which reassured members...' << how does a www page 'prove reserve' ?
1017998;1423885711;asciilifeform;should we even ask.
1017999;1423885722;cazalla;their claims, not mine!
1018000;1423885735;asciilifeform;just astonishing that 2011 never ends
1018001;1423885802;BingoBoingo;!up herbijudlestoids
1018002;1423885840;Adlai;"We noticed the hot wallets dwindling but assuming it was members moving their funds off site during the DDOS, we loaded all the cold balances onto the site so that users would not have withdrawals interrupted during our periods of up time."
1018003;1423885873;*;Adlai despairs of ever writing fiction... the truth beats anything he can dream up himself
1018004;1423885879;mircea_popescu;oooo!
1018005;1423885934;mircea_popescu;"Remember how in May, 2005, the American Psychiatric Association endorsed same sex marriage?   And you applauded the moral fortitude and progressive instinct of this august body?  Well, instead of debating whether there should or should not be same-sex marriage, perhaps we should ask what modern psychiatry could possibly contribute to this discussion. The answer is nothing.
1018006;1423885934;mircea_popescu;You can't get away with pat answers, such as psychiatrists see the psychiatric ramifications of discrimination or being unable to marry. There are psychiatric ramifications of bankruptcy, and war, but no one felt compelled to write a policy statement on it (and thank God.)
1018007;1423885934;mircea_popescu;And no, there isn't a difference between bankruptcy and gay marriage-- not to psychiatry. That's the point. These are social problems about which modern psychiatry is definitionally ignorant. The APA did not endorse polygamy. What's the difference? If homosexuality is not a psychiatric disorder, than there is no more reason to be more for or against it than there is for any other kind of marriage. The APA is no better
1018008;1423885939;mircea_popescu;suited to answering these questions than, say, the NFL.
1018009;1423885941;mircea_popescu;What if the NFL came out against antidepressants in children? This is a perfectly valid analogy, because neither the NFL nor psychiatry have special knowledge that make their statements anything more than opinions. What do psychiatrists know about same-sex marriage that the quarterback for the Patriots doesn�t?  Don�t laugh�I�m serious. What�s the answer?
1018010;1423885946;mircea_popescu;Medicine, or the APA, can legitimately express a policy only if  the policy was grounded in science or logic. Perhaps the APA cares to release this intriguing scientific data?  (While it is at it, perhaps it can also release the data supporting the use of half of the medications currently favored by APA Guidelines?)  But this seems pretty much business as usual for the APA. Rather than work on its own serious failings,
1018011;1423885951;mircea_popescu; it involves itself in social policy."
1018012;1423885953;mircea_popescu;best.quote.ever.
1018013;1423885961;mircea_popescu;this, incidentally, is why no us pseudoscientific body can be taken seriously to any purpose. especially not to the purpose it supposedly serves.
1018014;1423885970;mircea_popescu;this includes the IETF as well as it includes the AMA.
1018015;1423886086;mircea_popescu;can't be arsed to fix the thing, can be arsed to ban evade. very fucking smart.
1018016;1423886162;BingoBoingo;bitcoin-qt is seriously just chilling now. was getting killed by malloc every half hour and now isn't even touching the line that killed it earlier.
1018017;1423886195;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: sad thing is, idiots denied apa/ietf/international association of bloodletting & phlogiston - will reinvent them..
1018018;1423886240;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform the "trading" fo shitty altcoins for inexisting bitcoin is the most important part of the altcoin pumping scams.
1018019;1423886258;mircea_popescu;wow herbijudlestoids in da house ?
1018020;1423886289;BingoBoingo;herbijudlestoids: You actually here?
1018021;1423886303;BingoBoingo;I saw his join, but he's quiet if he's here
1018022;1423886315;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform not particularly sad. the point ios for us to know syphilitic whore is syphilitic, not for her to not get laid anymore.
1018023;1423886325;mircea_popescu;this isn't about "every fuckhead's precious"
1018024;1423886376;mircea_popescu;this is about me going "gtfo" to tim swanson while he derps about how "normal debates work".
1018025;1423886383;herbijudlestoids;im here
1018026;1423886385;herbijudlestoids;huelolelo
1018027;1423886385;asciilifeform;thought this was about annihilated scientific fields
1018028;1423886389;asciilifeform;or stillborn ones
1018029;1423886412;mircea_popescu;hey
1018030;1423886419;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform yes, but in the wot, not in the world.
1018031;1423886424;mircea_popescu;the world can rot.
1018032;1423886439;herbijudlestoids;hows everyone
1018033;1423886463;mircea_popescu;great.
1018034;1423886466;herbijudlestoids;i came to check yall behaving
1018035;1423886481;mircea_popescu;did your burn rate finally catch up with the funding ?
1018036;1423886492;herbijudlestoids;nope, we are doin really well
1018037;1423886498;BingoBoingo;herbijudlestoids: It's been how long now, a year almost since your last visit?
1018038;1423886501;herbijudlestoids;and, not funding :), actual paying customers
1018039;1423886509;mircea_popescu;o.O impossibri
1018040;1423886514;asciilifeform;what does herbijudlestoids sell, again?
1018041;1423886518;herbijudlestoids;clouds
1018042;1423886535;asciilifeform;?
1018043;1423886543;herbijudlestoids;openstack based IaaS clouds
1018044;1423886547;asciilifeform;aha timesharing
1018045;1423886550;herbijudlestoids;ye
1018046;1423886552;BingoBoingo;!b 3
1018047;1423886553;assbot;Last 3 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/0F1P1B4.txt )
1018048;1423886601;herbijudlestoids;we doin good
1018049;1423886605;herbijudlestoids;its very stressful
1018050;1423886616;herbijudlestoids;i work a lot :(
1018051;1423886620;mircea_popescu;i don't get it, there's literally an ocean of providers of this stuff.
1018052;1423886632;mircea_popescu;you telling me you can actually eke a living in such a market ?
1018053;1423886635;decimation;digital ocean?
1018054;1423886642;herbijudlestoids;yup, we offer expertise for big providers
1018055;1423886643;mircea_popescu;decimation on top of that lol
1018056;1423886648;herbijudlestoids;we dont compete in the race to bottom
1018057;1423886661;herbijudlestoids;so there is no herbicloud
1018058;1423886668;mircea_popescu;this is a noble goal, but a little like pron studios claiming the same.
1018059;1423886670;mircea_popescu;not up to you.
1018060;1423886672;decimation;asciilifeform: did you see my link about continued sparc production
1018061;1423886674;Namworld;Damn, I need to use gpg to log in here now? Gribble not enough anymore?
1018062;1423886683;mircea_popescu;Namworld assbot forket wot.
1018063;1423886686;herbijudlestoids;the big providers pay us lots of money to make their clouds gud
1018064;1423886692;mircea_popescu;it's a much better implementation anyway
1018065;1423886693;asciilifeform;decimation: 7000 sold/yr is not 'continued production' on the planet i live in
1018066;1423886694;herbijudlestoids;because, it seems, most people not good at it
1018067;1423886703;asciilifeform;decimation: it's inventory liquidation
1018068;1423886705;decimation;asciilifeform: aye, it's highly amusing
1018069;1423886710;herbijudlestoids;turns out large scale distributed systems are hard
1018070;1423886710;mircea_popescu;herbijudlestoids that part i can see. so more like ops consulting for iaas ppl ?
1018071;1423886712;decimation;no, they claim to still be doing r&d
1018072;1423886726;decimation;apparently they have some chip with 16 cores at 8 'threads' each
1018073;1423886726;asciilifeform;decimation: they can claim whatever they like
1018074;1423886729;herbijudlestoids;mircea_popescu: yeah. but we also develop IP as we go around that ops stuff
1018075;1423886736;mircea_popescu;aha.
1018076;1423886739;herbijudlestoids;deployment tools, config mgmt, automated service discovery etc
1018077;1423886750;asciilifeform;decimation: calculate what each unit would have to cost, approximately, for the vendor to stand any chance of breaking even
1018078;1423886754;herbijudlestoids;we r pretty gud
1018079;1423886762;mircea_popescu;yeah, so what's the plan, sell to microshit for 100mn in a year or two once they decide to beef up that biz ?
1018080;1423886763;decimation;asciilifeform: yeah and then compare to similar pile of arm chips
1018081;1423886770;herbijudlestoids;im in charge of ops, but my counterpart is in charge of the dev stuff
1018082;1423886802;herbijudlestoids;actually, in one sense it is *TOO* big, and i got tired of working on it all day, so for hobby i now admin my own freebsd server with jails
1018083;1423886806;herbijudlestoids;just like the gud old days
1018084;1423886809;decimation;asciilifeform: the only possibility is that usg is buying vanity products
1018085;1423886843;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17641 @ 0.00042605 = 7.5159 BTC [-]
1018086;1423886847;asciilifeform;decimation: there was a scandal that broke not long ago, where it came out that usg is single-handedly keeping a number of fabs (mostly rad-hard stuff) in business
1018087;1423886864;asciilifeform;decimation: their competitors are now whining, 'we want too!111!!!11'
1018088;1423886868;decimation;that's actually suspiciously smart
1018089;1423886871;decimation;of course they are
1018090;1423886872;BingoBoingo;<Namworld> Damn, I need to use gpg to log in here now? Gribble not enough anymore? << Gribble was down too long and nanotube's vacation was long enough for people to worry about abduction
1018091;1423886898;decimation;the problem with keeping things alive on bezzlars is that there's always a runt who will squeal if not on the tit
1018092;1423886903;asciilifeform;decimation: you can probably guess that they didn't do it because 'smart', but because eternal contracts signed, likely, five or six presidents ago
1018093;1423886905;Namworld;okay
1018094;1423886924;decimation;asciilifeform: well, some elder thought it was smart
1018095;1423886950;mircea_popescu;Namworld http://wiki.bitcoin-assets.com/irc_bots/assbot
1018096;1423886951;assbot;irc_bots:assbot [bitcoin assets wiki] ... ( http://bit.ly/1BqStij )
1018097;1423886951;herbijudlestoids;so.
1018098;1423886955;herbijudlestoids;tell me guise.
1018099;1423886960;asciilifeform;phun phact: radhard ic is quite arguably obsolete - similar effect can be had using tandems
1018100;1423886960;herbijudlestoids;wut happen?
1018101;1423886964;asciilifeform;but this is a hatephact
1018102;1423886974;BingoBoingo;Also with lead box
1018103;1423886986;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: who pays for launching the lead ?
1018104;1423886997;decimation;asciilifeform: well, there are loads of silly-con valley satellite 'startups' that are launching plain arm chips into leo
1018105;1423887009;mircea_popescu;herbijudlestoids tons of things. qntra.net took over the business of bitcoin news. gavin has been shot in the head, foundation's over, bitcoin "development" past 0.5.x is being considered for deletion
1018106;1423887014;herbijudlestoids;TFW the USD spazzes out and causes bitcoin to drop from >1000 to <150
1018107;1423887018;asciilifeform;decimation: difference is that those ^ don't actually need to work
1018108;1423887023;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: Toilet pays. If volume and not weight is the concern though Osmium box.
1018109;1423887024;decimation;but leo is child's play compared to van allen belts & beyond
1018110;1423887026;asciilifeform;decimation: the orbital nukes - do.
1018111;1423887032;decimation;asciilifeform: aye
1018112;1423887058;herbijudlestoids;yea i did read some rants from you on trilema about that mircea_popescu
1018113;1423887072;herbijudlestoids;i dunno what qntra is
1018114;1423887084;BingoBoingo;herbijudlestoids: If you want to play around with the foundation's 0.5.3.1 builds on FreeBSD they'd probably welcome it
1018115;1423887085;mircea_popescu;http://qntra.net/2015/02/there-is-nothing-new-in-the-world-except-for-the-history-you-didnt-know/
1018116;1423887086;assbot;There is nothing new in the world. Except for the history you didn't know. | Qntra.net ... ( http://bit.ly/1AyFWIv )
1018117;1423887121;herbijudlestoids;BingoBoingo: how stupid large is the blockchain right now? a billion gigabytes?
1018118;1423887133;BingoBoingo;herbijudlestoids: In the 30GB's
1018119;1423887146;decimation;asciilifeform: it kind of surprised me that usg allowed ibm to sell their fab actually
1018120;1423887163;BingoBoingo;herbijudlestoids: You have jails you can build variations and see if they sync
1018121;1423887170;asciilifeform;decimation: hence you can infer - real owner has not changed.
1018122;1423887175;asciilifeform;decimation: could not change.
1018123;1423887182;decimation;aye
1018124;1423887208;herbijudlestoids;yeah, being QA for the bitcoin foundation sounds fun...
1018125;1423887213;*;herbijudlestoids gets right on that :/
1018126;1423887218;mircea_popescu;decimation if you review the us foreign policy, it can't escape your notice that the us is playing exactly the role of one of the classical woman in love : will pretend like she's a priss to all comers, except there's one she will literally eat the shit from.
1018127;1423887231;decimation;I'm sure that there were 'conditions' on the 'sale' (what do you call it when you give money to someone in exchange for impoverishing you?
1018128;1423887235;mircea_popescu;his name's china, and the us can't even mention what he asks of her. let alone consider what to say.
1018129;1423887237;BingoBoingo;herbijudlestoids: http://thebitcoin.foundation/ ben_vulpes and mod6 run the thing
1018130;1423887238;assbot;..::[ The Bitcoin Foundation ]::.. ... ( http://bit.ly/1AyGpur )
1018131;1423887263;herbijudlestoids;oh, is this the fork foundation?
1018132;1423887270;BingoBoingo;Yeah
1018133;1423887272;mircea_popescu;no, this is the nonfork foundation.
1018134;1423887272;herbijudlestoids;confusing
1018135;1423887278;asciilifeform;herbijudlestoids: this is the actual foundation
1018136;1423887283;mircea_popescu;there's also a scam foundation, but w/e.
1018137;1423887284;herbijudlestoids;lol right in -assets land
1018138;1423887286;herbijudlestoids;yeah
1018139;1423887288;asciilifeform;herbijudlestoids: there is also a phoundation pushing crock'o'shit
1018140;1423887288;asciilifeform;aha
1018141;1423887292;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu inb4
1018142;1423887296;mircea_popescu;lol
1018143;1423887308;decimation;mircea_popescu: perhaps usg is desperate for china to become big enough so that usg can surrender to it
1018144;1423887309;mircea_popescu;but i mean this quite literally. scam foundation tried to push a bitcoin fork.
1018145;1423887311;mircea_popescu;which attempt failed.
1018146;1423887326;thestringpuller;they are still pushing that fork on some level
1018147;1423887335;BingoBoingo;herbijudlestoids: I dare you to try a makefile for 0.9.3 on FreeBSD that doesn't lean on the linux emulation layer
1018148;1423887339;thestringpuller;trying to push upgrades
1018149;1423887351;mircea_popescu;decimation i think it's just perverse masochism. self hating liberal white people finally found an empire of nationalistic chinese froggies that despise foreigners.
1018150;1423887354;mircea_popescu;match made in heaven.
1018151;1423887362;asciilifeform;herbijudlestoids: the basic idea, if i dare suggest that there is one, is a pedigreed 0.5.3 and a sequence of man-readable patches, signed by folks known to one another.
1018152;1423887386;herbijudlestoids;0.5.3 being the last version that -assets finds acceptable?
1018153;1423887393;decimation;mircea_popescu: maybe if we give them everything they will accept our love?
1018154;1423887400;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: imho time spent on 0.9.x other than mining for zoological data (mutilations, fixes) is wasted
1018155;1423887403;mircea_popescu;i think it was more like the first. 6.something prolly.
1018156;1423887432;mircea_popescu;decimation that'd be cvounterproductive. more like, give everything, maybe then they'll finally take out the whip.
1018157;1423887438;herbijudlestoids;hey you guys know i had an idea
1018158;1423887443;herbijudlestoids;for a quick-and-dirty-cardano
1018159;1423887448;herbijudlestoids;or whatever that thing was called
1018160;1423887451;asciilifeform;a brick on a rope.
1018161;1423887452;BingoBoingo;<asciilifeform> BingoBoingo: imho time spent on 0.9.x other than mining for zoological data (mutilations, fixes) is wasted << Indeed shit just doesn't work there as pete_dush discovered
1018162;1423887453;asciilifeform;very quick
1018163;1423887460;asciilifeform;dirty if you drag it on the ground first
1018164;1423887473;asciilifeform;we already had herbijudlestoids's idea, see.
1018165;1423887480;mircea_popescu;lolwut
1018166;1423887481;herbijudlestoids;odroid + touchscreen + linux + seahorse
1018167;1423887493;asciilifeform;how about a vax and a vt100.
1018168;1423887496;asciilifeform;why even.
1018169;1423887503;*;asciilifeform head-desks
1018170;1423887503;herbijudlestoids;the benefit of this is that you can encrypt messages too
1018171;1423887514;mircea_popescu;herbijudlestoids there's tons of quick and dirty cardanos out there already.
1018172;1423887519;mircea_popescu;the point of this place is cleanliness.
1018173;1423887527;BingoBoingo;Can encrypt from anything. Decrypt and signing are the hard problems
1018174;1423887552;decimation;asciilifeform: it would be amusing if someone were to make an electro-mechanical RSA machine
1018175;1423887562;decimation;like the enigma & "tunny" machines
1018176;1423887564;asciilifeform;decimation: laugh, but i actually considered this.
1018177;1423887578;asciilifeform;decimation: also considered the nearly equally impractical ttl logic variant.
1018178;1423887580;herbijudlestoids;i mean, this device, it can handle decrypt/sign in the same way as cardano, but also add the ability for the user to write and encrypt a message with their key using the touchscreen
1018179;1423887583;decimation;https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lorenz_cipher < tunny
1018180;1423887585;assbot;Lorenz cipher - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ... ( http://bit.ly/1vsI9iE )
1018181;1423887587;herbijudlestoids;nvm :)
1018182;1423887607;BingoBoingo;Encrypt merely requires pub key.
1018183;1423887619;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform if nubbins` weren't such a noob, he'd have laser etched a mechanical rsa by now
1018184;1423887623;BingoBoingo;Encrypt from dirty machine and burn it until cleansed
1018185;1423887624;decimation;yeah it would be very difficult to implement without some kind of state machine
1018186;1423887632;asciilifeform;decimation: vernam (otp, xor) is trivial - mechanically or otherwise
1018187;1423887643;asciilifeform;!up herbijudlestoids
1018188;1423887647;herbijudlestoids;lol :(
1018189;1423887657;herbijudlestoids;assbot hate me
1018190;1423887660;decimation;asciilifeform: aye, that would have its uses too
1018191;1423887673;herbijudlestoids;the thing that worries me about the cardano is upgrades
1018192;1423887681;herbijudlestoids;what if i want to patch it
1018193;1423887682;*;asciilifeform wishes he had a bitcent for every 'here's how you can make a quick cardano' letter
1018194;1423887684;herbijudlestoids;or whatever
1018195;1423887687;decimation;why on earth would it need to be upgraded?
1018196;1423887704;asciilifeform;herbijudlestoids: what if you want to patch your hypothalamus ?
1018197;1423887711;herbijudlestoids;to add support for new ciphers or something? i dunno
1018198;1423887736;mircea_popescu;you don't patch it, you burn it and get a new one.
1018199;1423887740;herbijudlestoids;if its software based i could theoretically use the same device to interact with other encryption toolsets like nacl or whatever
1018200;1423887741;asciilifeform;^
1018201;1423887741;decimation;re: china > https://tiananmenstremendousachievements.wordpress.com/2014/05/02/china-destroyed-control-chip-of-japanese-spy-satellite-with-secret-weapon/ < lulzy translated chinese military propaganda blog
1018202;1423887743;assbot;China Destroyed Control Chip of Japanese Spy Satellite with Secret Weapon  | Tiananmen's Tremendous Achievements ... ( http://bit.ly/1AyHSAS )
1018203;1423887746;asciilifeform;burn, new
1018204;1423887776;asciilifeform;herbijudlestoids: if 'software-based' is what you want, i don't get it, you already own a computer ?
1018205;1423887788;asciilifeform;why even interested in the subject then
1018206;1423887802;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform> herbijudlestoids: what if you want to patch your hypothalamus ? << Don't remember if I did this or not.
1018207;1423887812;herbijudlestoids;i want it to be software based, but handheld battery powered, airgapped, single function, etc
1018208;1423887819;mircea_popescu;so buy a laptop
1018209;1423887836;asciilifeform;laptop, palmtop (can get ms-dos!) etc
1018210;1423887862;herbijudlestoids;yeah, im just proposing exactly that except with smaller formfactor hardware and a GUI shell that just runs seahorse or whatever
1018211;1423887867;mircea_popescu;10 yo laptops are basically the value of the rare metals in them. 20 bux.
1018212;1423887877;decimation;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-12-2013#415970
1018213;1423887877;assbot;Logged on 10-12-2013 19:28:23; asciilifeform: what you're probably thinking of (or what you will think of, if you think long enough) is: secure terminal. complete with keyboard and display.
1018214;1423887889;herbijudlestoids;or you could buy a brand new odroid for $35
1018215;1423887904;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform> laptop, palmtop (can get ms-dos!) etc << Sharp Zarus
1018216;1423887905;mircea_popescu;or that.
1018217;1423887943;asciilifeform;^ no proper rng in any of the machines discussed here
1018218;1423887944;mircea_popescu;if you can trust their closed stack turd.
1018219;1423887948;asciilifeform;and ^
1018220;1423887975;asciilifeform;decimation: let's play with the satellite thing
1018221;1423887980;decimation;herbijudlestoids: if you read the logs, you discover several explanations for why what you desire doesn't exist
1018222;1423887993;asciilifeform;decimation: service ceiling of the j20 is, according strictly to rumour, 18km.
1018223;1423887994;herbijudlestoids;well, some of the odroids i know have a hw RNG, but i dont know how adequate it is
1018224;1423888006;asciilifeform;decimation: let's assume that the thing was flying at the ceiling
1018225;1423888049;asciilifeform;let's also assume that the sat was in leo.
1018226;1423888062;decimation;yeah those seem reasonable
1018227;1423888063;asciilifeform;say, 160km.
1018228;1423888085;decimation;that's pretty low, but okay
1018229;1423888089;mircea_popescu;that was a lengthy intro for "let delta = 150km"
1018230;1423888090;asciilifeform;so, 142km between shooter and victim.
1018231;1423888116;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: our usg readers may have some trouble with arithmetic, let's help'em
1018232;1423888152;asciilifeform;next, inverse-square law...
1018233;1423888179;decimation;well, I assumed that the 'electromagnetic pulse weapon Poacher One' was not mounted on the j-20 aircraft
1018234;1423888202;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform you mean, "the angular projection of a 10 metre target 150 km away" ?
1018235;1423888216;asciilifeform;aha
1018236;1423888269;*;BingoBoingo kinda wants a Mig-25
1018237;1423888270;mircea_popescu;;;calc 3600 / (150000**2*3.1415)
1018238;1423888270;gribble;5.09310838771e-08
1018239;1423888277;mircea_popescu;half a millionth.
1018240;1423888291;asciilifeform;decimation: true, i have no idea where it was (if existed)
1018241;1423888301;asciilifeform;assumed - on account of article - on plane.
1018242;1423888305;mircea_popescu;s/mil/bil/
1018243;1423888329;decimation;asciilifeform: yeah that would seem silly
1018244;1423888329;asciilifeform;decimation: why? because article claimed 'megawatt for minute'. if on ground, could carry on as long as you like at megawatt
1018245;1423888344;decimation;yeah, I assumed the power would be lulzy for aircraft
1018246;1423888345;asciilifeform;with mircea_popescu's genset trailer
1018247;1423888352;mircea_popescu;a.... megawatt ? rly ?
1018248;1423888363;asciilifeform;supercaps
1018249;1423888366;mircea_popescu;gtfo, do you have ANY IDEA what the air looks like around your megawatt continuous laser ?
1018250;1423888383;mircea_popescu;i can't be the only one that actually fired lasers.
1018251;1423888406;asciilifeform;rayleigh scattering, yes.
1018252;1423888419;asciilifeform;actually is the real limit to laser blaser.
1018253;1423888421;asciilifeform;*blaster
1018254;1423888424;mircea_popescu;how do the intended audience of these articles imagine stuff like plasma is made
1018255;1423888477;mircea_popescu;http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/0/0b/Why_is_the_sky_blue.jpg
1018256;1423888479;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1AyJuL1 )
1018257;1423888480;mircea_popescu;splendid illustration btw
1018258;1423888534;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=12-12-2014#951698 << obligatory. old emp thread
1018259;1423888534;assbot;Logged on 12-12-2014 00:03:19; asciilifeform: chemically-powered emp bomb is one of those weapons that really fails basic physics, for almost any scenario, but the brass can't ever fall out of love with it
1018260;1423888558;mircea_popescu;moreover, iuf you need 1mw to kill a sat chip you have serious mental issues.
1018261;1423888572;mircea_popescu;there's a monty python sketch about missile hunting mosquitoes.
1018262;1423888584;asciilifeform;satellites don't run away, either
1018263;1423888585;*;BingoBoingo imagines bowling with a MIG 25
1018264;1423888596;mircea_popescu;if this satellite is a ton of iron, a megawatt OVER A MINUTE will vaporize it.
1018265;1423888607;asciilifeform;megawatt where.
1018266;1423888608;mircea_popescu;it's 60mJ.
1018267;1423888613;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform on it, supposdely.
1018268;1423888616;asciilifeform;lol
1018269;1423888625;decimation;nah if you want emp, you gotta nuke
1018270;1423888626;asciilifeform;yes, it was thrown in a crucible, sure
1018271;1423888651;BingoBoingo;Set up pins on a salt flat, attach 16lb ball to hardpoint. Fly and release
1018272;1423888673;herbijudlestoids;haha!
1018273;1423888675;herbijudlestoids;:D
1018274;1423888684;BingoBoingo;!up herbijudlestoids
1018275;1423888693;herbijudlestoids;hmm...
1018276;1423888701;herbijudlestoids;i identified with gribble still no voice love
1018277;1423888744;mircea_popescu;assbot. pm it !up
1018278;1423888772;BingoBoingo;scoopbot -fetch
1018279;1423888786;herbijudlestoids;ah.
1018280;1423888808;mircea_popescu;in other news, http://33.media.tumblr.com/25c76cb8b51370dbf92cd1254513184d/tumblr_n54bvj7uDa1tt28juo1_500.gif
1018281;1423888811;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1AyKv5z )
1018282;1423888866;mod6;thestringpuller: did you get the error message I told you about in getinfo? [ http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-02-2015#1017438 ]
1018283;1423888866;assbot;Logged on 13-02-2015 15:33:22; mod6: youll know that you've hit the bad tx when you see an error in getinfo like this: "errors" : "WARNING: Displayed transactions may not be correct!  You may need to upgrade, or other nodes may need to upgrade."
1018284;1423888881;decimation;asciilifeform: http://www.macrofab.net/ << supposedly will make dual layer board with ~50 parts for $57 in two weeks
1018285;1423888881;assbot;MacroFab, Inc. ... ( http://bit.ly/1AyKI8N )
1018286;1423888898;asciilifeform;decimation: qty = ?
1018287;1423888904;decimation;1
1018288;1423888907;mod6;if so, then yes, you hit the bad tx, and then you need to upgrade to openssl 1.0.1g to pass over it.
1018289;1423888918;asciilifeform;nre cost ?
1018290;1423888919;decimation;but it's not clear if that's marketing spin or not, haven't tried
1018291;1423888934;decimation;I guess it is rolled into the price of the whole thing
1018292;1423888957;decimation;if you use their small selection of 'house parts' they do not charge a 'labor' fee
1018293;1423888969;asciilifeform;^ not terribly useful in my case
1018294;1423888974;decimation;no, not really
1018295;1423888983;decimation;I might give them a spin to see if they really exist
1018296;1423889007;BingoBoingo;http://www.telegraphindia.com/1060502/asp/frontpage/story_6171245.asp
1018297;1423889010;assbot;The Telegraph - Calcutta : Frontpage ... ( http://bit.ly/1vsKpGP )
1018298;1423889136;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: if you are fond of that machine, you can download the mig25 manuals stack...
1018299;1423889147;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: Have one somewhere
1018300;1423889300;BingoBoingo;!up Vexual
1018301;1423889397;decimation;asciilifeform:  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U3w_EWgGQuk < teardown and explanation of how lecroy 100 ghz oscopes work
1018302;1423889398;assbot;Experiments and Teardown of the Teledyne LeCroy LabMaster 10-100zi 100GHz, 240GS/s Oscilloscope - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1vsL0bn )
1018303;1423889427;asciilifeform;decimation: lol, that thing rejects any 'eagle' board layout i offer it
1018304;1423889430;Vexual;Hi all, herbi.
1018305;1423889436;asciilifeform;decimation: iirc we did that scope here
1018306;1423889446;asciilifeform;!s lecroy
1018307;1423889446;assbot;0 results for 'lecroy' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=lecroy
1018308;1423889447;decimation;no we did a spectrum analyzer
1018309;1423889449;asciilifeform;aha
1018310;1423889450;decimation;from agilent
1018311;1423889454;decimation;!s agilent
1018312;1423889455;assbot;23 results for 'agilent' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=agilent
1018313;1423889464;decimation;and it didn't do 100 ghz
1018314;1423889465;asciilifeform;gonna guess that it works the same way my chinese 200mHz one does
1018315;1423889469;asciilifeform;staggered adc
1018316;1423889477;decimation;that's special $1 mil bezzle
1018317;1423889492;asciilifeform;big phat deal, the cost of three tow trucks.
1018318;1423889494;decimation;asciilifeform: yes, but the real sauce is the sample-and-hold asic
1018319;1423889511;Vexual;ascii that snatch sniffer might work just as well without the batteries if you get the thing close enough.
1018320;1423889515;asciilifeform;not even clear to me that it's overpriced
1018321;1423889528;asciilifeform;Vexual: wai wat ?!
1018322;1423889532;decimation;the input coax is more-or-less directly attached to their custome asci
1018323;1423889550;decimation;asciilifeform: no it isn't really, how many do you think they sell? 10? 100?
1018324;1423889565;BingoBoingo;!b 5
1018325;1423889566;assbot;Last 5 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/3CAM71A.txt )
1018326;1423889636;decimation;once you cross into > 10 GHz signals you start having to fork over real $$ for test equipment
1018327;1423889641;herbijudlestoids;hey vex
1018328;1423889649;herbijudlestoids;hey.
1018329;1423889658;herbijudlestoids;wasnt there some command you used to be able to run..
1018330;1423889660;herbijudlestoids;!fap
1018331;1423889667;herbijudlestoids;i dunno..something like that
1018332;1423889671;herbijudlestoids;for porn
1018333;1423889681;herbijudlestoids;i miss that.
1018334;1423889755;mircea_popescu;lol
1018335;1423889775;mircea_popescu;so it pleases me to report that virtually all links from tlp to various learned repositories of articles are dead.
1018336;1423889778;mircea_popescu;it's not been 10 years.
1018337;1423889782;mircea_popescu;the web is fucking useless.
1018338;1423889826;herbijudlestoids;yea wasnt vince cerf saying that as well recently?
1018339;1423889843;herbijudlestoids;and i read a great article on archive.org about similar issue
1018340;1423889845;decimation;mircea_popescu: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-2952020/Will-21st-century-lost-history-Father-internet-warns-digital-world-lead-black-hole-knowledge.html
1018341;1423889847;assbot;Print out your photos or risk losing them, warns Google boss | Daily Mail Online ... ( http://bit.ly/1AyO8IK )
1018342;1423889870;decimation;"In centuries to come, future historians looking back on the current era could be confronted by a digital desert comparable with the dark ages - the post-Roman period in Western Europe about which relatively little is known because of the scarcity of written records. "
1018343;1423889877;herbijudlestoids;yeah
1018344;1423889883;herbijudlestoids;that one
1018345;1423889906;mircea_popescu;fucking ridoinculous.
1018346;1423889922;decimation;'My name is Ozymandias, king of kings: Look on my works, ye Mighty, and despair!'
1018347;1423889924;mircea_popescu;well, fuck the world, trilema will survive. i guess the idea being that "winners write history".
1018348;1423889952;mircea_popescu;herbijudlestoids http://38.media.tumblr.com/4cc8da8a80bcc144e2b7a0a239b5e4f2/tumblr_mt63fprr6m1ssof6ro1_250.gif there you go
1018349;1423889954;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1AyOtuZ )
1018350;1423889982;mircea_popescu;girl put her panties on correctly : over the garter.
1018351;1423889983;herbijudlestoids;mesmerising
1018352;1423890062;herbijudlestoids;i am really enjoying my freebsd hobby project, gives me opportunity to implement so many things that i have let go past because i didnt need it for work
1018353;1423890102;herbijudlestoids;so far: squid, ldap, kerberos, djbdns, postfix, and today i finished setting up nginx and getting "A" score on the qualys ssl test
1018354;1423890141;herbijudlestoids;next: https://github.com/nbs-system/naxsi
1018355;1423890142;assbot;nbs-system/naxsi · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1vsMrGZ )
1018356;1423890169;ben_vulpes;well that was quite the refactor
1018357;1423890185;ben_vulpes;i went heads down, next thing i know you asshats have crapped out 800 loglines
1018358;1423890188;ben_vulpes;and an herbijudlestoids!
1018359;1423890193;herbijudlestoids;hullo mr fox
1018360;1423890194;ben_vulpes;;;ident herbijudlestoids
1018361;1423890194;gribble;Nick 'herbijudlestoids', with hostmask 'herbijudlestoids!~sina@c220-239-186-144.randw3.nsw.optusnet.com.au', is not identified.
1018362;1423890208;herbijudlestoids;is so :(
1018363;1423890219;herbijudlestoids;i just identified with you bastard bot
1018364;1423890254;ben_vulpes;!gettrust assbot herbijudlestoids
1018365;1423890254;assbot;Trust relationship from user assbot to user herbijudlestoids: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. | http://w.b-a.link/trust/assbot/herbijudlestoids | http://w.b-a.link/user/herbijudlestoids
1018366;1423890271;ben_vulpes;;;gettrust assbot herbijudlestoids
1018367;1423890272;gribble;WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user assbot to user herbijudlestoids: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=assbot&dest=herbijudlestoids | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=herbijudlestoids | Rated since: Fri Feb 14 01:33:49 2014
1018368;1423890287;herbijudlestoids;;;ident herbijudlestoids
1018369;1423890287;gribble;Nick 'herbijudlestoids', with hostmask 'herbijudlestoids!~sina@c220-239-186-144.randw3.nsw.optusnet.com.au', is identified as user 'herbijudlestoids', with GPG key id CA8F764D7A6DC051, key fingerprint 7BFEED118C1BD7FA160C7780CA8F764D7A6DC051, and bitcoin address None
1018370;1423890295;herbijudlestoids;yeah. damn u.
1018371;1423890310;ben_vulpes;ok ok
1018372;1423890343;herbijudlestoids;i guess i should stop using my home computer to connect here and start using this freebsd node
1018373;1423890346;herbijudlestoids;brb.
1018374;1423890369;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=711276 << this you'll appreciate. grep for "Doctor_Why_Bother"
1018375;1423890371;assbot; Does Anyone Read "The Last Psychiatrist"? - Straight Dope Message Board ... ( http://bit.ly/1vsMSAY )
1018376;1423890527;ben_vulpes;!up Vexual
1018377;1423890645;ben_vulpes;<asciilifeform> srsly, whoever asked that, read the damn thing << for those blessedly uncontaminated with "c machine" constructs, it's hard to tell where the "c++" leaves off and the "boost" begins. it's clear that it's used in every for loop (c++ doesn't have iteration constructs?!), but the question if you didn't read closely enough was "why bother?" not "should one?"
1018378;1423890689;decimation;mircea_popescu: that's a lulzy exchange.  the doctor_why_bother guy is a living example of 'he misses the forest for the tiny sapling'
1018379;1423890706;mircea_popescu;more generally, of dunning-kruger
1018380;1423890720;mircea_popescu;people thinkg that effect only shows up in idiots, and so not in them. which of course is the very point.
1018381;1423890747;mircea_popescu;but in fact, the moderately stupid are just as handicapped understanding why they aren't smarter as very smart people are, understanding THE SAME THING (ie, why they aren't smarter).
1018382;1423890790;ben_vulpes;<Adlai> it's funny/sad how parenting reverses over time << oh this is great news you mean i have to take care of both ends? great.
1018383;1423890865;decimation;it's like watching a cripple trip on a bump, adjacent to which is a sign that says "attention cripples: do not trip on this bump"
1018384;1423890868;mircea_popescu;your average doobie, with a mediocre college degree and an ESL culture mostly geared towards ingested summaries is perfectly unable to decode metaphor or recognise complex enough patterns and fill in the gaps. this to him is frustrating, and the frustration is predictably resolved by lashing out (hey, it's the guy fault for using rferences i have to google and math i don't grok!11). in no way better than a clinical mor
1018385;1423890868;mircea_popescu;on angry at people who can write.
1018386;1423890942;thestringpuller;mod6: ben_vulpes it got past the wedge
1018387;1423890951;mircea_popescu;for that matter, my "which of course is the very point" above is also "not very clear", in the sense that if one isn't particularly bright, the recursion of "what dk says is that people think they're better than they are" is not immediately glob'd into the expression.
1018388;1423890973;mircea_popescu;for that matter, if one doesn't have the culture to know that glob's a verb, the above is also "a very bad argument" .and so on.
1018389;1423890987;asciilifeform;decimation: 'macrofab' << i worked through an entire board.
1018390;1423890993;asciilifeform;decimation: it's a piece of shit
1018391;1423891001;asciilifeform;decimation: loses xy coords for -all- parts
1018392;1423891008;decimation;asciilifeform: lol thanks for jumping on that
1018393;1423891022;decimation;but ascii, it's in 'beta'
1018394;1423891025;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes : take the bright side of life. "not liking kids is not a valid reason to not have any - you'll be stuck with some anyway."
1018395;1423891032;asciilifeform;decimation: and demands weird gerber layers that i haven't got
1018396;1423891039;asciilifeform;what a fucking waste of hour
1018397;1423891048;asciilifeform;cranked through all the parts substitutions crap
1018398;1423891054;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform stop wasting your hours! you're a process man, you belong to s.nsa now!
1018399;1423891063;decimation;my understanding is that you are required to manually place the parts
1018400;1423891066;thestringpuller;"blocks" : 164713
1018401;1423891067;decimation;in a 'mechanical turk' fashion
1018402;1423891068;asciilifeform;(for what? rng. small board, nothing secret therein. yes, motherfucker has my gerbers now)
1018403;1423891074;asciilifeform;decimation: semi-automatic turk
1018404;1423891091;ben_vulpes;mircea_popescu: it gets worse. some even work for me.
1018405;1423891095;decimation;asciilifeform: did you use eagle?
1018406;1423891099;asciilifeform;aha
1018407;1423891102;decimation;I might try kicad to see what it does
1018408;1423891106;asciilifeform;did try it
1018409;1423891121;asciilifeform;and even took a month last year - learned geda
1018410;1423891121;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes so do mine. but at least a) i actually fuck them and b) i don't take them without a significant prior investment from other people.
1018411;1423891128;decimation;there's another similar vendor https://circuithub.com/ << supposedly they actually deliever
1018412;1423891129;assbot;CircuitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1vsOfzL )
1018413;1423891138;asciilifeform;geda is great in every way except for being terminally buggy and the fill polygons fell apart
1018414;1423891159;asciilifeform;kikad is unusable on linux (on every box i own) - gui redraw bug
1018415;1423891166;decimation;asciilifeform: I find kicad amusing - when you go to download they have a little description begging not to download the 'old stable' version
1018416;1423891169;asciilifeform;and, even were this fixed, its autorouter is dumb as rocks
1018417;1423891183;ben_vulpes;sage words
1018418;1423891186;ben_vulpes;next career
1018419;1423891211;mircea_popescu;decimation why not ?
1018420;1423891273;asciilifeform;decimation: circuithub << wait, lol!!! >> 'In order to upload your first project, please create or link a Dropbox account.'
1018421;1423891274;decimation;because apparently all their new 'features' are in the new 'unstable testing' version
1018422;1423891275;asciilifeform;wtf ?
1018423;1423891283;decimation;asciilifeform:  hehe yeah I wondered when you were to walk into that
1018424;1423891293;decimation;they promise that they won't mistreat your data
1018425;1423891310;asciilifeform;i assume they will all 'mistreat the data'
1018426;1423891316;asciilifeform;but why force user to use turd service ?
1018427;1423891330;decimation;I guess because they can't write an http uploader that works?
1018428;1423891344;*;asciilifeform even more disappointed than expected to be
1018429;1423891364;decimation;asciilifeform, what do you expect from 'hardware startup' chumpatronics?
1018430;1423891375;*;asciilifeform does not expect to find one of these things that works for any reasonable value of 'works', because the economics of it are not, to put it very gently, favourable
1018431;1423891419;decimation;supposedly the macrolabs people 'make the economics work' by queuing up all the jobs onto a giant panel
1018432;1423891427;asciilifeform;i could live, for example, with an outfit that would crap out the board and place just the passives (then i xray the damn thing here. and place the actives personally)
1018433;1423891433;decimation;I'm not sure how they 'make it up on volume' if they have to hand place parts on the whole thing
1018434;1423891442;asciilifeform;but i could also live with a pill that propels me on morning commute by enabling me to fart ponies
1018435;1423891485;decimation;pony-farts would be a fairly good way of navigating the dc traffic jams
1018436;1423891515;decimation;apparently the kicad-pcb.org page is dead
1018437;1423891517;asciilifeform;!s a horse splashes
1018438;1423891517;assbot;0 results for 'a horse splashes' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=a+horse+splashes
1018439;1423891523;asciilifeform;;;google a horse splashes
1018440;1423891524;gribble;Haldane, On Being the Right Size: <http://irl.cs.ucla.edu/papers/right-size.html>; .. a man is broken, a horse splashes - Physics Forums: <https://www.physicsforums.com/threads/a-man-is-broken-a-horse-splashes.585757/>; On Being The Right Size (Hollywood edition). | The Inverse Square ...: <https://inversesquare.wordpress.com/2008/01/25/on-being-the-right-size-hollywood- (1 more message)
1018441;1423891550;asciilifeform;'You can drop a mouse down a thousand-yard mine shaft; and, on arriving at the bottom, it gets a slight shock and walks away, provided that the ground is fairly soft. A rat is killed, a man is broken, a horse splashes.'
1018442;1423891569;mircea_popescu;^
1018443;1423891594;mircea_popescu;great quote
1018444;1423891597;asciilifeform;famous essay
1018445;1423891759;asciilifeform;decimation: -everybody- queues the jobs into conveyor-width panels.
1018446;1423891805;asciilifeform;decimation: the boojum lies in the nre costs, typically (largely paste stencils, but not only)
1018447;1423891843;asciilifeform;decimation: also there is no small amount of actual human labour involved in the process.
1018448;1423891856;decimation;I suspect they are using one of those 'ink jet' solder paste printers
1018449;1423891912;asciilifeform;decimation: those trade nre for a vastly higher cost per board
1018450;1423891922;asciilifeform;the nozzles (disposable, golden toilet) clog, etc.
1018451;1423891927;asciilifeform;and crap slowly.
1018452;1423891937;asciilifeform;somebody has to watch it go
1018453;1423891938;asciilifeform;etc.
1018454;1423891975;decimation;asciilifeform: if they are truly able to deliver at the prices they quote on the 'demo', it seems likely that they are 'debt funding'
1018455;1423891990;asciilifeform;who?
1018456;1423891998;decimation;the macrolabs people
1018457;1423891998;asciilifeform;circuithub ?
1018458;1423892000;asciilifeform;ah
1018459;1423892016;asciilifeform;nah, i think i figured it out
1018460;1423892024;asciilifeform;assuming the thing isn't simply a blackhole for money,
1018461;1423892028;asciilifeform;(actually ships something)
1018462;1423892047;asciilifeform;they make up the difference by nickel'n'diming the chump for the 'out of house' parts
1018463;1423892063;ben_vulpes;<herbijudlestoids> [] deployment tools, config mgmt, automated service discovery etc << /me is tres jelly
1018464;1423892064;asciilifeform;e.g., $1.50 to place each 15c resistor they refused to stock
1018465;1423892067;decimation;yes, I couldn't find any mention of the costs of 'non-house' parts
1018466;1423892068;asciilifeform;^ yes, per unit
1018467;1423892073;asciilifeform;clever chumpamatic
1018468;1423892084;asciilifeform;decimation: you have to crap in an actual project to learn the costs
1018469;1423892085;decimation;nor a catalog of parts that 'can be had for a price'
1018470;1423892099;asciilifeform;it lets you fidget with the selections
1018471;1423892113;decimation;ah, I will upload something and see what I can do
1018472;1423892116;asciilifeform;their selection is, i'd say, rather spotty
1018473;1423892127;asciilifeform;e.g., no 47K 0805 resistor of any grade
1018474;1423892146;decimation;yes their house passive selection is very limited
1018475;1423892156;decimation;and their non-passive even more so
1018476;1423892159;asciilifeform;as for actives, virtually none to be had.
1018477;1423892215;asciilifeform;in short, i am presently at a loss as to what this is good for, how, and why...
1018478;1423892261;decimation;it will be interesting to see if this 'service' continues to exist for a period of time, and if so, how it matures
1018479;1423892280;thestringpuller;decimation: isn't there a super speeder law in VA and MD because people drive so terribly in DC?
1018480;1423892286;asciilifeform;as i understand, it is severely antieconomic and cannot really go anywhere
1018481;1423892317;decimation;thestringpuller: in VA if you are speeding 15 mph over the limit it can be considered 'wreckless'
1018482;1423892337;asciilifeform;that alone would not doom it - consider the world of usg - but the onesie-pcb-assembly business doesn't have the makings of a mass popu-chumpatron
1018483;1423892350;asciilifeform;reckless?
1018484;1423892507;decimation;yeah reckless
1018485;1423892514;decimation;I guess wreckless would be safe driving :)
1018486;1423892592;decimation;asciilifeform: I think they have the nub of a good idea, having all the steps in manufacturing clearly brought out in one spot
1018487;1423892598;decimation;the execution might not be there though
1018488;1423892627;decimation;ah no it's 20 mph in VA http://www.bobbattlelaw.com/faqs/what-is-considered-reckless-driving-speeding-in-virginia.cfm
1018489;1423892628;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1vsQFOB )
1018490;1423892667;ben_vulpes;i got a reckless driving charge one time.
1018491;1423892690;ben_vulpes;ticket was officially for 60 in a 30.
1018492;1423892695;decimation;ben_vulpes: did they try to send you to jail?
1018493;1423892698;ben_vulpes;iirc, i hit 70.
1018494;1423892722;ben_vulpes;lol in portland?
1018495;1423892761;decimation;you guys have a loud n' proud bisexual governor now
1018496;1423892848;ben_vulpes;there's always something silly happening in the backwaters
1018497;1423892893;decimation;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=04-01-2015#965039 < mircea_popescu apparently amex was too fucktarded to keep costco as a client
1018498;1423892893;assbot;Logged on 04-01-2015 22:07:08; mircea_popescu: decimation: re: costco & amex << I suspect amex gives costco a deal (pays them) to force a large percentage of the upper-crust customer-base to have an amex card in their wallet << pretty much how that racket goes yes.
1018499;1423892963;decimation;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=04-01-2015#965039 < mircea_popescu apparently amex was too fucktarded to keep costco as a client http://fortune.com/2015/02/12/amex-costco-dumps-cards/
1018500;1423892963;assbot;Logged on 04-01-2015 22:07:08; mircea_popescu: decimation: re: costco & amex << I suspect amex gives costco a deal (pays them) to force a large percentage of the upper-crust customer-base to have an amex card in their wallet << pretty much how that racket goes yes.
1018501;1423892964;assbot;AmEx shares plunge as Costco dumps its credit cards - Fortune ... ( http://bit.ly/1vsR8R0 )
1018502;1423892976;decimation;sorry for the dup
1018503;1423893560;punkman;http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn26968-telescopic-contact-lenses-let-you-zoom-in-on-demand.html
1018504;1423893561;assbot;Telescopic contact lenses let you zoom in on demand - tech - 13 February 2015 - New Scientist ... ( http://bit.ly/1AlAMkB )
1018505;1423894784;punkman;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=14-02-2015#1017753  << I was more wondering how much cruft we'll need for that.
1018506;1423894784;assbot;Logged on 14-02-2015 00:20:24; BingoBoingo: punkman: if we replace openssl with libressl or whatever, how do we verify all the buggy data generated by 7 different openssl versions? << For the time being... empirically. There a set with six year's worth a data to test against by syncing.
1018507;1423894848;punkman;could just keep the checkpoint stuff though, and not verify all the ecdsa signatures.
1018508;1423894987;punkman;(I'll mention again that if you let VerifySignature run on all tx's, it blows up much sooner than block 168000)
1018509;1423895049;mircea_popescu;decimation ouch, amex kinda set to go out of biz huh.
1018510;1423895088;mircea_popescu;the obvious effect of "keynesian" money pumping is bubbles, but that's not the worst effect.
1018511;1423895127;mircea_popescu;the worst effect is that everything forms monopolies. in a physics intuitive approach, what QE does is basically increase the superficial tension. this forces bubbles to merge.
1018512;1423895164;mircea_popescu;in another perspective, qe is an abdication of monetarty sovereignty. sovereignity is a fixed sum, so it just moves in other parts of the system - monopolies form.
1018513;1423895221;mircea_popescu;but in any case, however you explain it on the "micro" basis : competition and central control are mutually contradictory. much like anabolic and catabolic processes.
1018514;1423895268;decimation;yes, the us today is more-or-less dominated by centralized megabusiness
1018515;1423895295;decimation;because 'must grow big to get a seat at the table where they hand out bezzlars'
1018516;1423895302;punkman;decimation: just the US?
1018517;1423895317;decimation;punkman: aren't you in france?
1018518;1423895333;mircea_popescu;greece.
1018519;1423895351;decimation;the eu has their own version
1018520;1423895353;mircea_popescu;decimation it's not even that, it's just... the *meaning* of money changes.
1018521;1423895377;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: Amex is fine. They partnered with Walmart for poor people ATM cards
1018522;1423895396;mircea_popescu;they're getting bought out
1018523;1423895412;decimation;the 'meaning of money' seems to have a scale from 'tool to settle private debts' to 'note from stalin'
1018524;1423895489;asciilifeform;old hat. east india company ran as much on the latter as the former
1018525;1423895502;decimation;http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2015-02-12/amex-grip-on-wealthy-consumers-seen-slipping-as-rivals-take-bite
1018526;1423895503;assbot;AmEx Grip on Wealthy Consumers Seen Slipping as Rivals Take Bite - Bloomberg Business ... ( http://bit.ly/1KVxGn4 )
1018527;1423895519;decimation;"Chief Executive Officer Ken Chenault, 63, has introduced new products aimed at younger and less-affluent customers as AmEx seeks to broaden its appeal. The lender is working with companies including Uber Technologies Inc. and Apple Inc. to expand mobile payments, and courted Americans who lack access to traditional banks with products like its Bluebird prepaid card, offered at Wal-Mart Stores Inc."
1018528;1423895555;asciilifeform;decimation: this is a pretty standard dynamic of 'leningrad siege, no coal, let's burn the sofa'
1018529;1423895555;decimation;wtf, when did it ever make sense as a creditor to make enemies with those who had money in order to court those who don't?
1018530;1423895574;decimation;yeah it seems that way
1018531;1423895580;asciilifeform;they cash in their 'brand' for chump massification
1018532;1423895627;asciilifeform;(what is the 'added value' of a prepay spamcard with 'amex' logo? solely the psychological tie with 'rich')
1018533;1423895649;decimation;kinda like how 'hp' now brands chumper printer cartridges, instead of quality reliable test equipment
1018534;1423895723;mircea_popescu;https://flpics1.a.ssl.fastly.net/4232/4232146/00050edc-db76-1a9e-3e51-e2d153eb422d_720.jpg
1018535;1423895725;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1KVy70J )
1018536;1423895753;asciilifeform;decimation: hp's been branding chumpcartridges since '90s
1018537;1423895772;mircea_popescu;decimation the ones who "don't" are more valuable as bezzle access. the ones who "do" really don't.
1018538;1423895782;asciilifeform;that's not the news, but that they stopped doing anything else. like the illusory growth of a corpse's beard
1018539;1423895788;mircea_popescu;ie, boa was "too big to fail" because it held a lot of mortgages of people WHO COULDNT PAY FOR THEM.
1018540;1423895805;mircea_popescu;meanwhile jpm was NOT tbtf, because it held a lot of money from people who had money, so it could you knoiw, just steal that,
1018541;1423895809;mircea_popescu;so it didn't need govt money.
1018542;1423895821;mircea_popescu;it quickly becomes perverse, the game of "let's have government in the market"
1018543;1423895872;decimation;yeah there is no escape
1018544;1423895877;mircea_popescu;by now a "we hold 100mn chumps, who pay us 0, give us usd" is a better revenue source than "we have 1mn people paying us 1k a year each"
1018545;1423895884;mircea_popescu;as proven by, for instance, whatsdumb.
1018546;1423895930;decimation;a dark force dissolves every economic decision into a sjw forum
1018547;1423895954;mircea_popescu;well this is the problem, you know ? once you decide to try nuclear detonations in your livingroom you can no longer have "fresh milk"
1018548;1423895992;asciilifeform;folks stupid enough to try (1) will proceed to (2)
1018549;1423895994;asciilifeform;like clockwork.
1018550;1423896044;BingoBoingo;Strontium makes bones strong and genes novel
1018551;1423896055;mircea_popescu;lol
1018552;1423896069;decimation;!b 8
1018553;1423896070;assbot;Last 8 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/1WXXPAE.txt )
1018554;1423896416;BingoBoingo;!up Vexual
1018555;1423896501;mircea_popescu;https://flpics0.a.ssl.fastly.net/1728/1728220/00050ef8-c44d-8b6c-90b3-6472a2bbc7d8_720.jpg << now this is some hardcore lightsabering.
1018556;1423896503;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1KVzmgn )
1018557;1423896562;Vexual;;;laserkittens
1018558;1423896562;gribble;ุ ₍˄.͡˳̫.˄₎ ุ ┌━ ┄ ┄ ┄ ┄ ┄ ┄ *pew*
1018559;1423897065;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: isn't it odd that engl. doesn't (afaik) have a word for блат - that other capital that u.s. economy actually runs on today, as discussed above
1018560;1423897075;mircea_popescu;blat ? ahahaha
1018561;1423897080;asciilifeform;(roughly might translate as 'pull' or 'crown concession' but not quite)
1018562;1423897090;mircea_popescu;it's a quite respectable romanian word.
1018563;1423897095;mircea_popescu;;;google ce inseamna sa faci un blat ?
1018564;1423897096;gribble;Reţetă blat de pizza | RETETE | prajituri | mancare | BarbatLaCratita: <http://www.barbatlacratita.ro/2011/02/reteta-blat-de-pizza.html>; Cum se face aluatul de pizza pufos, crocant? | Pofta Buna!: <http://pofta-buna.com/cum-se-face-aluatul-de-pizza-pufos-crocant/>; Pizza Traditionala Italiana | Retete culinare Laura Adamache: <http://www.lauraadamache.ro/2008/07/pizza- (1 more message)
1018565;1423897096;asciilifeform;call it 'fapital' perhaps
1018566;1423897101;asciilifeform;or crapital
1018567;1423897150;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: it's more or less universal in the slavic and bordering cultures, afaik. and other orcish nations (cn) have own word that is closely analogous
1018568;1423897175;mircea_popescu;(in romanian it means, literally, the dough part of a pizza or a cake)
1018569;1423897196;asciilifeform;'guanxi' in cn, iirc
1018570;1423897232;Vexual;Whaa?
1018571;1423897270;Vexual;Ascii you're picking up Chinese?
1018572;1423897317;asciilifeform;Vexual: one unavoidably picks up various things, like the strontium from earlier thread
1018573;1423897432;asciilifeform;http://i.imgur.com/I9Y4Leo.jpg << unrelated vintage lulz
1018574;1423897433;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1KVAPU2 )
1018575;1423897469;Vexual;So many dialects in China.
1018576;1423897488;asciilifeform;^ the incident itself is quite famous, but i somehow escaped knowing that the detailed reversing of the bug was made public
1018577;1423897572;asciilifeform;likewise mentioned is the fact that the bug was deliberately set to overlap with freq. of a local tv station.
1018578;1423897584;asciilifeform;(sacrifice range, gain - the obvious)
1018579;1423897608;Vexual;Lol
1018580;1423897689;asciilifeform;the typewriter case is interesting, from a history of usg point of view, because it appears to be the turning point for nsa
1018581;1423897704;asciilifeform;that is, when their present direction was decided on.
1018582;1423897736;asciilifeform;(turned, that is, from traditional signal-gathering to sabotage, cribbed, yes, from ru)
1018583;1423897764;mircea_popescu;sabotage ? looks more like judy.
1018584;1423897767;mircea_popescu;as in, punch and judy
1018585;1423897800;mircea_popescu;the principal job of the nsa since about the 2010s is to be publicly and outrageously humiliated.
1018586;1423897812;asciilifeform;if there is evidence of usg crafting functioning but diddled parts for a mass-produced machine, slipping'em in, etc. prior to this cribbing, i for one do not know of it
1018587;1423897842;asciilifeform;a 'f-student' who cribs what he sees as 'good idea' becomes immediately obsessed with it
1018588;1423897859;asciilifeform;to the point of utter laughability
1018589;1423897947;asciilifeform;(and yes, 'crypto ag' - nsa shill - sold diddled cipher machines for half a century and (!) counting. not counting shams-by-design here, only surreptitiously-modified products)
1018590;1423898799;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 42250 @ 0.00042369 = 17.9009 BTC [-] {4} 
1018591;1423901423;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 19 @ 0.09396842 = 1.7854 BTC [-] {4} 
1018592;1423901824;cazalla;This, however, is very much the result of choices in the design of the system: anyone may create a bitcoin address at a whim, as long as it is unique. But the Bitcoin Foundation�the organization that has authority over the bitcoin protocol�could change that. Before creating a new address, users could be forced to authenticate with a trusted organization. This organization would securely store information about identities, and this infor
1018593;1423901825;cazalla;mation could be revealed to law-enforcement agencies only when a request for access is legally approved.
1018594;1423901871;cazalla;more lulzy shit at http://www.canadianbusiness.com/blogs-and-comment/two-major-problems-with-bitcoin-and-how-to-solve-them/
1018595;1423901872;assbot;Two major problems with bitcoin, and how to solve them     ... ( http://bit.ly/1F96UsK )
1018596;1423902167;ben_vulpes;people may definitively lose interest, eh?
1018597;1423902170;ben_vulpes;mhmsure.
1018598;1423903187;cazalla;http://rt.com/usa/232219-chelsea-manning-hormone-therapy/ what a bunch of fags And from 2001 to 2011, there were 3,177 veterans diagnosed with gender identity disorder according to the Veterans Affairs Department, while overall it is estimated than one in 11,000 male babies and one in 30,000 female babies are born with the disorder, according to the Veterans Health Administration.
1018599;1423903187;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1EanNQf )
1018600;1423904228;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17250 @ 0.00043311 = 7.4711 BTC [+]
1018601;1423906180;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9400 @ 0.00043311 = 4.0712 BTC [+]
1018602;1423907705;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3973 @ 0.00043311 = 1.7207 BTC [+]
1018603;1423909780;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15700 @ 0.00043311 = 6.7998 BTC [+]
1018604;1423910637;BingoBoingo;http://tech.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=6968077&cid=49051213
1018605;1423910638;assbot;Smart Homes Often Dumb, Never Simple - Slashdot ... ( http://bit.ly/19heGUv )
1018606;1423910877;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19859 @ 0.00042011 = 8.343 BTC [-] {2} 
1018607;1423911460;cazalla;so the telco here has a campaign where they will publish your texts on their billboard above one of their stores.. http://i.imgur.com/yW8gIft.jpg
1018608;1423911461;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/19hg9dt )
1018609;1423913495;BingoBoingo;lol at the billboard
1018610;1423916441;Adlai;;;later tell mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=07-02-2015#1011801 << how much is "a few", and how open are you to considering more frequent compensation?
1018611;1423916441;assbot;Logged on 07-02-2015 17:57:05; mircea_popescu: nah, first timers get a few % of the profit, and at the end of a whole year.
1018612;1423916441;gribble;The operation succeeded.
1018613;1423916880;BingoBoingo;Adlai: When I was enlisted it was 10% of profit from the first year and negotiable beyond that after having lived a year. Market I traded lost its trade worthiness sooner than the one year though.
1018614;1423916904;Adlai;ty
1018615;1423916932;BingoBoingo;It's posted on Trilema somewhere
1018616;1423916995;Adlai;one issue i'm thinking about right now is whether this is really the kind of investment mpif is after: the last two days have generated an (unrealized) loss, despite the overall portfolio valuation jumping by ~$50 per bot
1018617;1423917035;BingoBoingo;Well bookeeping is almost certainly going to be BTC denominated
1018618;1423917049;Adlai;right, that's why it's showing up as an unrealized loss, rather than a realized gain
1018619;1423917084;*;Adlai already bookkeeps in btc, but he lets the bot mostly do as it sees fit, which means it travels across the entire range of all-in-btc to all-in-fiat, should the market take it there
1018620;1423917140;Adlai;of course, this behavior is controllable
1018621;1423917223;BingoBoingo;Sync'd up to late January 2013
1018622;1423917266;Adlai;oh lol, you were market making Altcoin, so no wonder it lost tradeability :P
1018623;1423917334;BingoBoingo;Yeah
1018624;1423917335;Adlai;my long-term (years/decades) plan for scalpl, assuming i don't lose interest by then, is commodities, since i'm hoping by that point "forex" becomes a quaint anachronism
1018625;1423917388;Adlai;but meanwhile btc/fiat's volume makes a great sandbox
1018626;1423917414;Adlai;although i guess that's more due to s/ume/atility/
1018627;1423917525;Adlai;"The latter is structured so that no withdrawals are possible at the manager’s initiative" << oh hello, this sounds familiar!
1018628;1423917678;BingoBoingo;Netted a small profit on the RON, and a loss on ATC when the alternative revealed it self to be potentially unbounded costs to keep the thing alive through mining
1018629;1423917860;Adlai;which is why i'm sticking to government-mined altcoins
1018630;1423918990;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6867 @ 0.0004143 = 2.845 BTC [-]
1018631;1423920760;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18092 @ 0.0004228 = 7.6493 BTC [+] {2} 
1018632;1423925334;danielpbarron;i like amex because they gave me a card without me giving them my slave id number, although i suspect they just looked it up from some database
1018633;1423925883;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 46400 @ 0.00043203 = 20.0462 BTC [+]
1018634;1423926259;BingoBoingo;scoopbot -fetch
1018635;1423926283;thestringpuller;why isn't it working?
1018636;1423926323;BingoBoingo;http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/2015/02/14/notes-on-building-bitcoin-qt-on-openbsd/
1018637;1423926324;assbot;Notes on Building Bitcoin-qt on OpenBSD | Bingo Blog ... ( http://bit.ly/1D8IcIm )
1018638;1423926413;thestringpuller;yea scoopbot ain't workibg PeterL
1018639;1423926693;thestringpuller;good morning mircea_popescu
1018640;1423926699;mircea_popescu;hey/
1018641;1423926755;mircea_popescu;this shit's seriously a lot mopre trouble than it's worth.
1018642;1423927252;danielpbarron;so uh.. it comes as little suprise to me that my pogo using a solid state drive is significantly faster than the one using a regular laptop hard drive
1018643;1423927283;mircea_popescu;it just won't last as long.
1018644;1423927307;danielpbarron;i suspected harddrive read/write was the bottleneck back when i was building my first full node
1018645;1423927469;danielpbarron;also, i have sucessully re-installed the OS on one of them multiple times; it is possible to screw up the install and recover from it without any major disassembly required
1018646;1423927501;danielpbarron;you can just put a blank flash drive in the top usb port with an empty directory 'revert' and the thing boots up factory default
1018647;1423927562;danielpbarron;and if it sees such a drive, it won't try to boot from the attached sata drive; so you can then fdisk as needed
1018648;1423927568;mircea_popescu;pretty great find this
1018649;1423927969;mircea_popescu;;;seen trinque
1018650;1423927970;gribble;trinque was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 18 hours, 58 minutes, and 25 seconds ago: <trinque> mod6: lots of chatter about "can't find -lgcc_s" on teh googles
1018651;1423927995;mircea_popescu;im gonna have to make another div payment set without a deed registrar aren't i.
1018652;1423928004;mircea_popescu;;;later tell trinque YO! deedbot!
1018653;1423928005;gribble;The operation succeeded.
1018654;1423928011;BingoBoingo;Oh, hearn has his own shadow implementation -XT!!! https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/2vveeq/using_mike_hearns_bitcoin_xt_instead_of_bitcoin/
1018655;1423928013;assbot;Using Mike Hearn's Bitcoin XT instead of Bitcoin Core as full node took just a couple of minutes. : Bitcoin ... ( http://bit.ly/1D8NZ0y )
1018656;1423928020;mircea_popescu;lol
1018657;1423928055;BingoBoingo;Only advertises offering 2 new unfeatures
1018658;1423928104;mircea_popescu;"It seems to be a way to extend and patch thee Bitcoin network without waiting on slow Bitcoin Core improvements."
1018659;1423928120;mircea_popescu;it seems there's some worms more eager than some others in the government biscuit.
1018660;1423928123;BingoBoingo;;;later tell ben_vulpes mod6 http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/2015/02/14/notes-on-building-bitcoin-qt-on-openbsd/ for when you get to porting maybe some notes might be useful
1018661;1423928124;assbot;Notes on Building Bitcoin-qt on OpenBSD | Bingo Blog ... ( http://bit.ly/1D8OpEk )
1018662;1423928124;gribble;The operation succeeded.
1018663;1423928223;mircea_popescu;cazalla: more lulzy shit at http://www.canadianbusiness.com << all these biogas precursors are in for a rude awakening. at some point they'll discover that while I have the power to make something a problem by calling it a problem, they do not (any more).
1018664;1423928224;assbot;Canadian Business - Your source for market news, investing, technology, economy and Canadian industry     ... ( http://bit.ly/1D8ON5G )
1018665;1423928226;mircea_popescu;boy that'll suck.
1018666;1423928300;mircea_popescu;cazalla: http://i.imgur.com/yW8gIft.jpg << ahgahaah wtf!
1018667;1423928300;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1D8P7kW )
1018668;1423928766;BingoBoingo;https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/2vveeq/using_mike_hearns_bitcoin_xt_instead_of_bitcoin/colaexv
1018669;1423928768;assbot;ButterNubber comments on Using Mike Hearn's Bitcoin XT instead of Bitcoin Core as full node took just a couple of minutes. ... ( http://bit.ly/1Eba8Z6 )
1018670;1423929015;BingoBoingo;"
1018671;1423929015;BingoBoingo;The point of this project is to provide a full node that has an explicit goal of supporting the needs of SPV app developers, as well as a place to try out more experimental changes in general. Through the course of 2013 I feel that the upstream Bitcoin Core project has become a relatively unpredictable place and I no longer feel sure that we can improve SPV mode or even that they will continue to support it at all. Bitcoin XT will
1018672;1423929015;BingoBoingo; always support SPV wallets." https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/bitcoinj/Y9ZOOmfJHuc
1018673;1423929017;assbot;Google Discussiegroepen ... ( http://bit.ly/1D8RVOV )
1018674;1423929151;mircea_popescu;heh k.
1018675;1423929224;BingoBoingo;Bitcoin Core upredictable, Let's make it more so
1018676;1423929289;mircea_popescu;you don't understand how the world works.
1018677;1423929377;thestringpuller;you are just oppressing my wood chipper rights!
1018678;1423929812;thestringpuller;!l m s.qntr
1018679;1423929812;assbot;Last trade for S.QNTR on MPEX was at 0.00025459 BTC [+]
1018680;1423929821;thestringpuller;!t m s.qntr
1018681;1423929821;assbot;[MPEX:S.QNTR] 1D: 0 / 0 / 0 (0 shares, 0 BTC), 7D: 0.00021897 / 0.00023047 / 0.00026 (22881 shares, 5.27 BTC), 30D: 0.000174 / 0.00022151 / 0.00026 (28655 shares, 6.35 BTC)
1018682;1423930297;BingoBoingo;http://qntra.net/2015/02/psuedonode-proxy-fools-bitcoin-full-node-incentive-program/
1018683;1423930298;assbot;PsuedoNode Proxy Fools Bitcoin Full Node Incentive Program | Qntra.net ... ( http://bit.ly/1D8WCZ6 )
1018684;1423930327;mircea_popescu;lol awww.
1018685;1423930368;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo invite basil00 over eh.
1018686;1423930393;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: Dunno him, thestringpuller wrote that up and sourced it
1018687;1423930426;thestringpuller;all i have is his github and reddit usernames
1018688;1423930438;thestringpuller;i can send him pm in reddit
1018689;1423930624;thestringpuller;sent
1018690;1423930661;mircea_popescu;cool
1018691;1423931085;asciilifeform;danielpbarron: you can just put a blank flash drive in the top usb port with an empty directory 'revert' and the thing boots up factory default << this is not a feature of the machine, but of the modified 'uboot' installed by the script you used.
1018692;1423931112;asciilifeform;danielpbarron: what's more, this is guaranteed not to happen on the final box, because we'll actually use the 128M eeprom for the os.
1018693;1423931126;asciilifeform;danielpbarron: (your setup - doesn't)
1018694;1423931171;danielpbarron;ah, i had a feeling that was the case
1018695;1423931223;danielpbarron;i hope you guys aren't relying solely on me to achieve those ends; a lot of this is totally new territory for me
1018696;1423931250;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: pseudonode << mega-lol! >> 'Otherwise, if PseudoNode can connect to at least some good nodes (default 2), then will PseudoNode will acts just like a normal node and contributes network bandwidth.' << 'contributes bandwidth' !?!?!?
1018697;1423931254;asciilifeform;eats - yes
1018698;1423931259;asciilifeform;contributes ?
1018699;1423931318;BingoBoingo;no contribution without verification
1018700;1423931369;asciilifeform;the only thing it can do is add delay - and, potentially, diddle (you connect, thinking it was a node, but really this)
1018701;1423931678;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5949 @ 0.00042807 = 2.5466 BTC [-]
1018702;1423931903;BingoBoingo;;;ticker --market all
1018703;1423931908;BingoBoingo;;;bc,stats
1018704;1423931910;gribble;Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 248.64, vol: 16328.91254348 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 245.993, vol: 16418.1363 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 248.8, vol: 60076.29357212 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 247.216263, vol: 273739.29310000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 245.0, vol: 32.86977983 | Bitcoin-Central BTCUSD last: 235.82995, vol: 149.97156036 | Volume-weighted last average: 247.479467217
1018705;1423931912;gribble;Current Blocks: 343467 | Current Difficulty: 4.44554159623438E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 344735 | Next Difficulty In: 1268 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 0 days, 19 hours, 51 minutes, and 6 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 45854879064.3 | Estimated Percent Change: 3.14801
1018706;1423932164;thestringpuller;scoopbot on da fritz
1018707;1423932288;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8400 @ 0.0004143 = 3.4801 BTC [-]
1018708;1423932471;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26388 @ 0.00041305 = 10.8996 BTC [-] {2} 
1018709;1423932517;BingoBoingo;http://blog.thinkst.com/p/if-nsa-has-been-hacking-everything-how.html?m=1
1018710;1423932519;assbot;thinkst Thoughts...: If the NSA has been hacking everything, how has nobody seen them coming? ... ( http://bit.ly/1BbnTcG )
1018711;1423932550;asciilifeform;aha, 'nobody.'
1018712;1423932570;kakobrekla;more tracking http://pressreleases.visa.com/phoenix.zhtml?c=215693&p=irol-newsarticlePR&ID=2016148
1018713;1423932571;assbot;Press Release  | Visa Corporate | Visa Inc. ... ( http://bit.ly/1Bbo2wQ )
1018714;1423932671;asciilifeform;'and the the word "implant" was almost never used in security circles' << usually called 'bug' (in the 'room is bugged' sense) outside of usg
1018715;1423932680;thestringpuller;mircea_popescu: "Thanks, but unfortunately it is already late in my part of the world. Perhaps send any questions via email and I'll try to respond in ~10hours (after sleep). Email: basil@reqrypt.org"
1018716;1423932845;BingoBoingo;thestringpuller: Really, just dropping a plaintext email address in IRC for spamzors to pick up?
1018717;1423933043;thestringpuller;~_~ never again
1018718;1423933401;Adlai;bitcoin inflation subsidizes the operation of the world's most energy inefficient clock
1018719;1423933415;Adlai;and it's quite imprecise, too
1018720;1423933449;kakobrekla;clock is scam
1018721;1423933458;kakobrekla;time is arbitrary
1018722;1423933918;mircea_popescu;there's no way to express bitcoin in fiat terms. it's not "a clock", because the meaning of "a clock" does not carry in bitcoin. yes it divides time, but differently in fundamental ways.
1018723;1423933940;mircea_popescu;"energy efficiency" is not a bitcoin consideration. all energy used for non-bitcoin stuff is wasted by definition, in the bitcoin paradigm.
1018724;1423933942;mircea_popescu;etc etc.
1018725;1423934073;kakobrekla;somehow i missed this also https://static.slo-tech.com/63610.jpg
1018726;1423934074;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1CsAUMU )
1018727;1423934903;mircea_popescu;heh. who even wants these new derpy tvs
1018728;1423934943;mircea_popescu;i suppose the next step is, "participate in derpland has talent with your tv set!" and hopefully that'll relieve us of most of the current imbeciles online.
1018729;1423935095;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 36119 @ 0.00039193 = 14.1561 BTC [-] {2} 
1018730;1423935684;Adlai;mircea_popescu: _all_ energy, or the delta between current mining energy use, and half the planet's total energy expenditure?
1018731;1423935726;Adlai;the economics change once unutilized energy is insufficient to attack the network
1018732;1423935733;mircea_popescu;unrelated datapoints. half energy available \being used to mine bitcoin makes bitcoin safe for humans (safe in the sense of, won't be overrun by the altcoin problem)
1018733;1423935738;*;Adlai suspects; take everything he says with the usual shaker of salt
1018734;1423935743;mircea_popescu;as far as bitcoin is concerned, there's no point to energy other than mining.
1018735;1423935762;Adlai;signing transactions takes a bit of energy, and without fees from signed transactions, there's no point to mining
1018736;1423935773;mircea_popescu;no point in mining FOR HUMANS.
1018737;1423935779;Adlai;?
1018738;1423935781;mircea_popescu;gotta compartimentalize the povs.
1018739;1423935792;Adlai;ok, i see
1018740;1423935858;Adlai;still, i'm not sure that there's a rational incentive to add energy to mining activity once X% of the planet's energy expenditure is dedicated to mining
1018741;1423935872;Adlai;i guess it would depend on the profitability, which starts getting outside the scope of bitcoin itself
1018742;1423935984;mircea_popescu;is there a rational incentive to continue adding man-hours to women's studies ?
1018743;1423936005;mircea_popescu;rational incentives don't enter into it. as far as derpy social studies types are concerned, all effort available should go into that.
1018744;1423936035;mircea_popescu;the difference is that they enforce this through statal redistribution, which lives out of a hole in public choice theory,
1018745;1423936042;*;Adlai finds himself again bringing up kahneman, who talks about "humans" vs "econs", the latter describing the rational agents of economic theory, which don't actually exist on this planet
1018746;1423936044;mircea_popescu;whereas bitcoin enforces this through the nature of money.
1018747;1423936053;mircea_popescu;which will crumble in contact with the other is kinda obvious.
1018748;1423936065;mircea_popescu;o yes they do. the "humans" don't exist.
1018749;1423936083;Adlai;?
1018750;1423936090;mircea_popescu;a whiteknight is not a person. it's a manifestation of particular pathologies empowered by particular economic imbalances.
1018751;1423936101;mircea_popescu;these always revert to the mean.
1018752;1423936121;Adlai;i guess we just have different definitions of the word "human". mine is preceded with a huge "only".
1018753;1423936131;mircea_popescu;hm ?
1018754;1423936144;*;Adlai next cites his dog's vet's tatoo, or at least the one he remembers: "humanity is overrated"
1018755;1423936158;mircea_popescu;it's simple : inasmuch as your definition of "human" difers from "econ", it doesn't exist.
1018756;1423936190;mircea_popescu;just like whatever in your definition of "human" differs from human biology is not objective but metaphysical.
1018757;1423936192;Adlai;dunno, it makes perfect sense to me that computers produced by an evolutionary process would be far from perfect
1018758;1423936199;mircea_popescu;sure.
1018759;1423936242;Adlai;so "econs" are these mythical perfectly rational agents, and "humans" are these neurological shitshows full of neuroses and emotions that rarely act rationally. sure, some humans act quite rationally, but they're the exception.
1018760;1423936266;mircea_popescu;if this is how you redefine your humans, i will change "don't exist" to "don't matter".
1018761;1423936349;Adlai;sure. mattering is like driving skill... most datapoints think they're on the opposite side of the curve
1018762;1423936373;mircea_popescu;(ie, "can't carry meaning". just like the foregoing it's also logically necessary, no debate possible. it flows from what you're saying, which is essentially "humans are noise". sure. but noise doesn't really matter. like brownian motion.)
1018763;1423936498;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23300 @ 0.00040355 = 9.4027 BTC [+]
1018764;1423936633;Adlai;dunno, nature can still matter, even if individual snowflakes in an avalanche or looters in a mob, could be removed without significantly affecting the whole. i choose the mob analogy purposefully, because these effects are rarely (ever?) constructive... construction seems to take either "superhuman" capacity (and effort), or enough time for differential reproductive fitness to do its thing
1018765;1423936659;mircea_popescu;but that "nature" === "econ"
1018766;1423936695;Adlai;<insufficient data for meaningful answer)
1018767;1423936721;mircea_popescu;notrly.
1018768;1423936739;Adlai;i'm not convinced that "nature" as a whole can be considered an "econ"
1018769;1423936740;mircea_popescu;just, 'no particular inclination to gaze upon chtulhu'
1018770;1423936751;mircea_popescu;but review the definitions :)
1018771;1423936777;Adlai;it's definitely something else, not "human" - but does it act in its own rational self interest? i'm not sure the concept of "self interest" is meaningful when you're talking about "nature"
1018772;1423936787;Adlai;cf "the planet is fine, the people are fucked"
1018773;1423936819;Adlai;i won't dispute that nature computes.
1018774;1423936840;mircea_popescu;"the planet is fine, the people are fucked" is what people say when they can't digest the obvious "if you could understand more, you could understand more"
1018775;1423936863;Adlai;do you know the source?
1018776;1423936871;mircea_popescu;the planet is fine. "the people" are fine. you are stupid, and your friends ridiculous.
1018777;1423936888;mircea_popescu;carlin neh ?
1018778;1423936895;Adlai;it's carlin on environmentalism, yes
1018779;1423936898;mircea_popescu;right.
1018780;1423936914;mircea_popescu;he doesn't mean the people = "the people". he means the people = your friends.
1018781;1423936920;Adlai; the tl;dr is that "saving the environment" is silly because the environment exists with or without its "savers", and that the real meaning behind "saving the environment" is "keeping this environment as hospitable as possible to us"
1018782;1423936953;*;Adlai has no friends
1018783;1423936978;mircea_popescu;more like, "saving the environment" is just as silly as any one thing a bunch of useless, stupid and ignorant entities that only exist because nobody ground uncle sam into the ground yet could ever do.
1018784;1423937036;Adlai;and now, for something completely different!
1018785;1423937081;mircea_popescu;think "occupywallstreet" or "feminism" or w/e. "the luxor center for businessmen". these collections don't actually do anything, it's not unlike a coral discussing which way to undulate for saving the whales.
1018786;1423937085;Adlai;when you designed mpex's 'quantum' matching engine, did you consider proposals of the "frequent batch auction" persuasion? i have no stake in this idea, just collecting opinions on it, as i form my own
1018787;1423937103;mircea_popescu;very little about mpex has been publicly discussed.
1018788;1423937137;Adlai;sure, but "frequent batch auction" has been published about a few times
1018789;1423937139;Adlai;http://view.samurajdata.se/psview.php?id=8b6cbe2c&page=1
1018790;1423937140;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1Mm6i5k )
1018791;1423937167;mircea_popescu;good fer it i guess.
1018792;1423937189;Adlai;the actual paper, if anybody is interested in more than a slideshow, is http://view.samurajdata.se/psview.php?id=271992c2&page=1
1018793;1423937190;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1Mm6q4B )
1018794;1423937204;Adlai;mircea_popescu: i'll take that as a "haven't heard/cared about it", which is still a datapoint
1018795;1423937219;mircea_popescu;lol kay.
1018796;1423937243;*;Adlai had heard the buzzword, hadn't bothered to actually read about it until now
1018797;1423937280;mircea_popescu;maybe better take it as "this man won't give me for free stuff that people might get if they pay upwards of six figures in fees. my feeble attempts to defeat his defences through 9yo discoursive tactics are probably going to fare about as well as 9yos generally fare against multi million dollar concerns."
1018798;1423937294;Adlai;it's an interesting idea, although i must say that - as i understand it without having read the entire paper - it's too deterministic for my tastes. i kinda like the idea of deliberately random behavior.
1018799;1423937337;Adlai;lol kay.
1018800;1423937380;mircea_popescu;but in other news, https://flpics2.a.ssl.fastly.net/2066/2066340/00050dbb-17e7-9554-ef52-cc5731d655ac_720.jpg
1018801;1423937382;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1Esuhdg )
1018802;1423937466;mircea_popescu;!up ruin_dpbs_life
1018803;1423937479;ruin_dpbs_life;danielpbarron: you're a dead man i'm going to fucking do whatever it takes to hurt you
1018804;1423937487;mircea_popescu;...
1018805;1423937491;ruin_dpbs_life;enjoy going to jail with your terror cel
1018806;1423937499;ruin_dpbs_life;mircea_popescu: you do business wiht dpb i'll get the police in volved
1018807;1423937509;mircea_popescu;aha ?
1018808;1423937516;mircea_popescu;which police is this ?
1018809;1423937598;mircea_popescu;awww he got flooded did he ?!
1018810;1423937604;danielpbarron;!rated xanthyos
1018811;1423937604;assbot;You rated user xanthyos on 08-Oct-2014, with a rating of -5, and supplied these additional notes: met in '04; he depends on government subsidies and will side with the USG in order to maintain his leech lifestyle..
1018812;1423937665;*;Adlai was just discussing death threats yesterday... they are as effective against humans as they are ineffective against superhumans
1018813;1423937688;mircea_popescu;;;later tell ruin_dpbs_life Guilford, Connecticut  << it's probably a decent idea to not go throwing around threats off your home ip.
1018814;1423937688;gribble;The operation succeeded.
1018815;1423937709;danielpbarron;he's also throwing them through his phone number
1018816;1423937719;mircea_popescu;are you two ex lovers or something ?
1018817;1423937723;danielpbarron;hah no
1018818;1423937728;danielpbarron;but we go way back
1018819;1423937733;Adlai;i mean, if he's asking to get the police involved, don't they love responding to death threats?
1018820;1423937753;Adlai;[for police values of "love"]
1018821;1423937758;mircea_popescu;well technically this was more in the vein of horrible maiming and dismemberment threats.
1018822;1423937776;mircea_popescu;lmao he got flooded. imagine the rage.
1018823;1423937782;Adlai;dunno officer, "you're a dead man" seemed quite clear to me
1018824;1423937803;mircea_popescu;o there's that too. well... it's a fair cop...
1018825;1423938071;mircea_popescu;!up benjamindees
1018826;1423938093;benjamindees;it's my understanding that you all are generally in favor of sidechains?
1018827;1423938112;Adlai;yours would be a Miss Understanding.
1018828;1423938154;benjamindees;so you are generally opposed to sidechains?
1018829;1423938181;mircea_popescu;there's really no substitute for reading the logs.
1018830;1423938183;Adlai;no, i feel rather ignorant of them. i understand the technical description in the paper, but haven't given it enough thought to be for or against. i can't speak for other people in this channel.
1018831;1423938205;Adlai;!s sidechains
1018832;1423938206;assbot;22 results for 'sidechains' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=sidechains
1018833;1423938210;Adlai;benjamindees:                              ^
1018834;1423938224;benjamindees;I'm asking more from a philosophical perspective.
1018835;1423938234;xanthyos;to all USG people reading this log i am not antistatist or anti FIAT and i will turn states evidence on danielpbarron
1018836;1423938258;xanthyos;i am only in bitcoin as a hobbyist poker player, i love obama
1018837;1423938259;benjamindees;mircea_popescu, ain't nobody got time for that
1018838;1423938272;xanthyos;please rate me down so i can't voice myself in this terrorist room anymore
1018839;1423938275;mircea_popescu;then nobody ain't part of this.
1018840;1423938284;Adlai;benjamindees: i just gave you the shortcut, i believe you misprounounced "thanks"
1018841;1423938288;mircea_popescu;xanthyos but terrorism's nice. plus we have cookies.
1018842;1423938290;xanthyos;i want no affiliation with mircea_popescu the slave holder
1018843;1423938305;mircea_popescu;how about sedition ? are you in favour of sedition ?
1018844;1423938325;mircea_popescu;!s donkeys camels
1018845;1423938326;assbot;3 results for 'donkeys camels' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=donkeys+camels
1018846;1423938330;xanthyos; /rate xanthyos -1 never voice yourself in assets again
1018847;1423938359;mircea_popescu;benjamindees http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=09-02-2015#1013038 << you could start there.
1018848;1423938359;assbot;Logged on 09-02-2015 00:37:52; mircea_popescu: looky here : growing larger implies growing costs. this is a given. a larger bitcoin will somehow be paid for.
1018849;1423938364;Adlai;!gettrust assbot xanthyos
1018850;1423938365;assbot;Trust relationship from user assbot to user xanthyos: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 2 via 2 connections. | http://w.b-a.link/trust/assbot/xanthyos | http://w.b-a.link/user/xanthyos
1018851;1423938382;mircea_popescu;!rated xanthyos
1018852;1423938382;assbot;You have not rated xanthyos.
1018853;1423938516;Adlai;mircea_popescu: arguably, the main/relevant effect of 'sidechains' to date has been funnelling VC money into subsidizing full nodes... although i guess you don't trust full nodes run by those people... but you don't have to because bitcoin
1018854;1423938700;mircea_popescu;basically, to quote the ancient http://trilema.com/2013/bitcoin-prices-bitcoin-inflexibility/ :
1018855;1423938701;assbot;Bitcoin prices, Bitcoin inflexibility pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.  ... ( http://bit.ly/1EsBPMQ )
1018856;1423938701;mircea_popescu;Yet another one of them is that consumers revolt, entrepreneurs intervene, before the end of 2015 there's about a thousand to a million different Bitcoin forks, each with its ten million-ish monetary base worth about a dollar, on global average. The size of the inter-Bitcoins market, the complexity and confusion ensuing makes pretty much everything unmanageable for the "ordinary person".
1018857;1423938708;mircea_popescu;it's a bunch of fiat derps refusing to submit.
1018858;1423938718;mircea_popescu;which is fine, they can struggle for as long as they can gather the energy.
1018859;1423938752;Adlai;note that for the "real bitcoin", this just has the effect of further distinguishing it as such, if the current mess didn't do that well enough
1018860;1423938760;mircea_popescu;indeed.
1018861;1423938786;mircea_popescu;good article, that, incidentally, in that it plainly discusses in 2013 things people imagine are "about the future" in 2015.
1018862;1423938851;benjamindees;so, you're saying sidechains are better than alts
1018863;1423938899;mircea_popescu;all screws are better than thumbtacks for the man holding a hammer.
1018864;1423938927;benjamindees;"there are two avenues to pay for it." <-- I disagree with this, by the way.  The third avenue is to pay for it with more transactions, since the major costs (mining) are fixed.
1018865;1423938982;mircea_popescu;...
1018866;1423939009;mircea_popescu;so your avenue to pay for your starbucks is a) give them some of your money ; b) borrow some money to give them or c) buy another soda ?
1018867;1423939014;mircea_popescu;what is this, the cartoons ?
1018868;1423939069;benjamindees;more transactions == growth in transaction volume == more fees, not just higher fees
1018869;1423939074;Adlai;benjamindees: wait, let's back up a bit, if not for your then my sake. what's the point of sidechains? i don't think it's "paying for bitcoin mining"
1018870;1423939116;*;Adlai thinks that federated sidechains are a great idea and cointip, bitbase, changepay, whatever they're called - should be using those, if they want transparency
1018871;1423939121;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18400 @ 0.00040355 = 7.4253 BTC [+]
1018872;1423939121;benjamindees;Adlai, I'm wondering what you all think about it.  I was under the impression you were for the idea.
1018873;1423939150;Adlai;again, federated sidechains - great idea. you want a ledger with centralized control but accessible to the public, that manipulates btc denominated assets? this is how.
1018874;1423939174;benjamindees;I've seen a couple of people say similar things.  It seemed natural that if you are for a 1MB limit, you would be for sidechains as an avenue for growth or at least to keep the alts at bay.
1018875;1423939177;Adlai;(granted, it's a lot more work than just asking people to trust you)
1018876;1423939250;Adlai;!s rai stones
1018877;1423939251;assbot;1 results for 'rai stones' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=rai+stones
1018878;1423939270;mircea_popescu;benjamindees you're completely and utterly misrepresenting the discussion.
1018879;1423939290;benjamindees;feel free to correct me
1018880;1423939293;mircea_popescu;if you're doing this by accident, you'll stfu and go read. if you're doing it deliberately... well... you'll keep at it and we'll have our lulz and move on.
1018881;1423939308;mircea_popescu;i do not correct you, you're not tim fucking swanson. you correct you.
1018882;1423939365;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 1983 @ 0.00077099 = 1.5289 BTC [-]
1018883;1423939366;benjamindees;I've read everything you linked so far.  It seems mostly sarcastic, which I don't really follow since I don't read your logs anyways.
1018884;1423939369;Adlai;benjamindees: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rai_stones << money doesn't have to be convenient to be useful, and there are zillions of ways to handle amounts that aren't worth the transaction cost of lugging the whole thing around; some ways are more transparent (like federated sidechains), and others less (like changetip). non-federated sidechains require changing bitcoin itself, so let's see real
1018885;1423939371;assbot;Rai stones - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ... ( http://bit.ly/1FaWU2f )
1018886;1423939372;Adlai;world use of the version that doesn't require a change before we talk about making changes - my 2¢
1018887;1423939404;mircea_popescu;the notion that you may participate without understanding is like... well, what all comedy gold is made out of, i guess.
1018888;1423939430;mircea_popescu;how did you get this idea, that if you don't follow something it's incumbent on me/the school/the world to fix it for you ?
1018889;1423939435;mircea_popescu;go read shit until you get it.
1018890;1423939442;benjamindees;...
1018891;1423939474;Adlai;think of the sarcasm as a barrier of entry against butthurtion
1018892;1423939953;Adlai;"but the energy, effort and resources which could have been expended on comfortably yielding and productively submitting" << lol
1018893;1423939968;mircea_popescu;myeah.
1018894;1423941134;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6481 @ 0.00039004 = 2.5278 BTC [-]
1018895;1423942012;mircea_popescu;!up Birdman
1018896;1423942038;Birdman;!down mircea_popescu
1018897;1423942050;Birdman;just kiddin, sup
1018898;1423942054;mircea_popescu;what's this, democracy ?
1018899;1423942058;Birdman;^
1018900;1423942796;punkman;ruin_dpbs_life: danielpbarron: you're a dead man i'm going to fucking do whatever it takes to hurt you << lolwut
1018901;1423943063;asciilifeform;i go out for just one hour to workshop, and what do you know, we have new surrender-monkeys ?
1018902;1423943065;asciilifeform;how many? two?
1018903;1423943083;punkman;just xanthyos I suppose
1018904;1423943097;punkman;wasn't he the fellow with the broken dick?
1018905;1423943118;asciilifeform;gavinandresen_ has quit (Client Quit) << lol! the real deal?
1018906;1423943137;danielpbarron;punkman, yeh
1018907;1423943193;punkman;danielpbarron: why the hardon for you?
1018908;1423943212;asciilifeform;and did i miss some political wank or other? did they have a public impalement of heretics on the washington monument, and i missed this ?
1018909;1423943215;danielpbarron;he has nothing better to do, and has apparently been obsessing about me
1018910;1423943224;asciilifeform;why the surge of 'i love the fuhrer'
1018911;1423943251;punkman;paranoia about losing benefits?
1018912;1423943262;danielpbarron;yes; he gets checks from the state for being crazy
1018913;1423943285;danielpbarron;he's never worked for a living in his life
1018914;1423943315;asciilifeform;this does not automagically explain publicly creaming one's pants for usg
1018915;1423943340;asciilifeform;plenty of folks get their daily bread from $sponsor while hating with exquisite hate
1018916;1423943341;*;Adlai wonders what such a person's shrink would think if first hearing about bitcoin from such a patient
1018917;1423943465;asciilifeform;related:
1018918;1423943482;asciilifeform;'The Russian author Eduard Limonov wrote of his experiences with poverty in America. To his joy, he discovered that he could supplement his cash earnings with public assistance. But he also quickly discovered that he had to keep this joy well hidden when showing up to collect his free money. It is a curious fact that in America public assistance is only made available to the miserable and the downtrodden, not to those who are
1018919;1423943482;asciilifeform;in need of some free money but are otherwise perfectly content. Although it is just as possible to be poor and happy in America as anywhere else, here one must make a choice: to avoid any number of unpleasant situations, one must be careful to hide either the fact that one is poor, or the fact that one is happy. If free public money is to be obtained, then only the latter choice remains. It is another curious fact that vast nu
1018920;1423943483;asciilifeform;mbers of Americans, both rich and poor, would regard Limonov's behavior as nothing short of despicable: a foreign author living in America on public assistance while also earning cash! It seems reasonable that the rich should feel that way; if the poor can't be made miserable, then what exactly is the point of being rich?'
1018921;1423943485;danielpbarron;i'm not sure how much of it he sincerely believes, and how much is an attempt to get a rise out of me
1018922;1423943487;asciilifeform;(orlov, who else)
1018923;1423943513;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 46650 @ 0.00038643 = 18.027 BTC [-]
1018924;1423943817;mircea_popescu;* Adlai wonders what such a person's shrink would think if first hearing about bitcoin from such a patient << srsly.
1018925;1423944182;Adlai;my first 'irl friend' who became a holder has remarked that the main (if not only) obstacle to holding is a social one; so anybody who has been marginalized their entire life (in this case, we were discussing religious minorities, but this equally applies to the 'functionally insane') is automatically more receptive than the mean
1018926;1423944228;Adlai;well, ok, not anybody, those that have learned from being marginalized that 'society' isn't necessarily acting on any good reason
1018927;1423944231;asciilifeform;that the main (if not only) obstacle to holding is a social one << wai, wat?! nobody has to know if you have btc
1018928;1423944241;asciilifeform;unlike almost any other activity
1018929;1423944260;Adlai;social, in the sense that you hold fiat because that's what everybody else holds
1018930;1423944295;Adlai;hanging onto cash during times of trouble is rather similar to 'hodl'
1018931;1423944432;*;punkman feels no need to talk about bitcoin with random people or meet local bitcoin holders
1018932;1423946624;cazalla;way to butcher PseudoNode spelling
1018933;1423946797;cazalla;thestringpuller, http://qntra.net/2015/02/new-security-standard-announced-at-devcore/#comment-10413
1018934;1423946798;assbot;New Security Standard Announced at DevCore | Qntra.net ... ( http://bit.ly/1zDtUbn )
1018935;1423946929;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 2362 @ 0.00073052 = 1.7255 BTC [-] {10} 
1018936;1423947881;cazalla;danielpbarron: he's never worked for a living in his life <<< maybe he can get a job as a postman because he never fails to deliver
1018937;1423949308;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 50750 @ 0.00038329 = 19.452 BTC [-] {2} 
1018938;1423951337;trinque;mircea_popescu: btcd chewed up a drive on me; that stream of "adding orphan block" was preceded by an input/output error barf
1018939;1423951363;trinque;redid the thing with the bootstrap torrent on the server, and it's on mid december as of now
1018940;1423951748;assbot;[MPEX] [FT] [X.EUR] 271 @ 0.00395513 = 1.0718 BTC [-]
1018941;1423952584;trinque;kicked it up to a bigger ec2 instance; not exactly a mindboggling increase in the rate of munching blocks
1018942;1423953226;mod6;<+thestringpuller> mod6: ben_vulpes it got past the wedge <+thestringpuller> "blocks" : 164713 << looks to me like you just hit a spot where it was slow, maybe a lot of disconnected blocks.  this isn't the "wedge" block we were hitting.  tx we had issues with (VerifiySignature) was in block 168,001.  It's all in the logs.
1018943;1423953257;thestringpuller;mod6: dyslexia and stuffs. not my best week :(
1018944;1423953272;mod6;If you got past 168,001 without any erros reported in `./bitcoind getinfo` then you should be alright.
1018945;1423953277;mod6;thestringpuller: np
1018946;1423953290;thestringpuller;i don't think it will if its running 0.9.8 ssl
1018947;1423953335;thestringpuller;it's also slow as molasses and they want to increase the size of these blocks?
1018948;1423953351;mod6;well, remember, I've personally gotten past that block probably a dozen times with openssl 0.9.8o with config: v0.5.3 + patches { 1, rm_rf_upnp, 2, 3, 4, & 6 }
1018949;1423953366;thestringpuller;oh whoa!
1018950;1423953370;thestringpuller;it got past it
1018951;1423953389;thestringpuller;180631
1018952;1423953405;mod6;and recently, TomServo was able to fully sync the blockchain with config: v0.5.3 + patches + { 1, rm_rf_upnp, 2, 3, 4, 6 & 7 } AND with openssl v0.9.8o
1018953;1423953411;mod6;so its totally inconsistant
1018954;1423953417;thestringpuller;"blocks" : 180631
1018955;1423953430;mod6;ok 180631 and no errors, looking good.   see, it's inconsistant :)
1018956;1423953432;thestringpuller;$ openssl version
1018957;1423953434;thestringpuller;OpenSSL 0.9.8o 01 Jun 2010
1018958;1423953446;thestringpuller;this is an older box.
1018959;1423953453;mod6;you're on debian 7 right?
1018960;1423953456;thestringpuller;yea
1018961;1423953458;thestringpuller;wheezy
1018962;1423953467;mod6;we're running on squeeze (deb 6)
1018963;1423953482;thestringpuller;Ah. damn that was so long ago ~_~
1018964;1423953483;mod6;you might be the first to be testing on deb7, not sure.
1018965;1423953543;thestringpuller;if it gets current blockheight, i'll open up ports and run this as my full node instead of 0.8 version was tricked in to using.
1018966;1423953579;mod6;thanks for testing.  if you put together a pastebin of your findings: `./bitcoind getinfo` `openssl version -a`, etc.  that would be helpful for our permutation matrix
1018967;1423953622;thestringpuller;i'll wait until it either hits a wall or gets current.
1018968;1423953631;mod6;ok thats awesome. although, i think what everyone has been running up to now is a dynamically linked version of the output binary.  which shouldn't even be availab.e
1018969;1423953661;thestringpuller;i didn't grok that sentence sorry
1018970;1423953665;punkman;I compiled and run up to wedge on deb 7
1018971;1423953677;mod6;when statically linking via the makefile.unix that's included with v0.5.3, I can't even get mine to compile correctly. So, I'll be spending a lot of time probably re-writing the entire makefile
1018972;1423953687;thestringpuller;oh.
1018973;1423953694;thestringpuller;well this is from pl script v 0.0.8?
1018974;1423953698;mod6;what sentence tsp?
1018975;1423953703;mod6;yeah.
1018976;1423953714;thestringpuller;oh dynamically linking vs static
1018977;1423953718;mod6;it'll build, it'll build the `bitcoind` binary dyamically linked.
1018978;1423953730;mod6;which we won't support.
1018979;1423953741;thestringpuller;what's the benefit of static linking?
1018980;1423953753;mod6;for the last 48 hours i've been working on trying to get it to build against static libs.
1018981;1423953788;mod6;it will build all of the necessary things inside of the output binary, instead of leaving that stuff to call out to a seperate place
1018982;1423953823;thestringpuller;okay i see. been a lot longer than I realize before really looking at C/C++ code. (although this i pretty much all boost which I guess alf pointed out)
1018983;1423953828;mod6;makes for a larger output binary (by about 10mb) but is more safe incase someone were to do something nasty with a lib that is dynamically linked
1018984;1423953843;mod6;well, w/e
1018985;1423953867;thestringpuller;they have sentenced me to writing ruby for slave labor
1018986;1423953909;mod6;aight. so yeah, stay tuned.  as soon as I get anything working with static libs and static linking of the output object files from the bitcoin source base, I'll give an update.
1018987;1423953922;thestringpuller;do you have specific usecase for inducing the wedge?
1018988;1423953925;mod6;it probably will take a while.
1018989;1423953931;thestringpuller;for if I wanted to test that.
1018990;1423953932;mod6;thestringpuller: no.
1018991;1423953940;mod6;it's inconsistant.
1018992;1423953947;thestringpuller;"non-deterministic" lol
1018993;1423953979;mod6;as you just proved, it'll make it past it sometimes, and sometimes not.  im sure there is some sort of reason for this, but we dont know what it is at this time.
1018994;1423954044;thestringpuller;life's great mysteries?
1018995;1423954137;mod6;Naw.
1018996;1423954197;mod6;We'll figure it out at somepoint.  I think, for now the important thing is that we have a workaround.
1018997;1423954257;mod6;There's a lot of moving parts in there, and deps.  It's hard to put a finger on what exactly it is, right now.  Especially since we are all using slightly different environments.  Too many variable.s
1018998;1423954328;mod6;Anyway, none of this really matters until we can get a statically linked build.
1018999;1423955222;thestringpuller;cazalla: replied. awaiting moderation.
1019000;1423955266;cazalla;thestringpuller, approved, but shouldn't you be working? :P
1019001;1423955308;thestringpuller;on a saturday?
1019002;1423955537;cazalla;i figured it for friday but look.. sunday morning
1019003;1423955557;thestringpuller;dat time travel.
1019004;1423956079;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 38500 @ 0.00038839 = 14.953 BTC [+] {2} 
1019005;1423956228;thestringpuller;asciilifeform: re: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-11-2014#922646 << is this why a lot of the US's rockets blew up during "apollo" or what not?
1019006;1423956389;joecool;need to get trust in -assets, i look like the leader of a splinter faction on here http://cookiechief.com/wotviz/ lol
1019007;1423956390;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1DsOb9z )
1019008;1423956419;joecool;thestringpuller: is that only importing from gribble's wot when a new member joins the -assets wot?
1019009;1423956485;thestringpuller;Nah its a static graph. And I need to redo one of the algorithms to only list those with L2 trust, a few pop up that shouldn't be there.
1019010;1423956512;thestringpuller;eventually i plan to run cron job that pulls data from kako's w.b-a.link api
1019011;1423960622;BingoBoingo;!up Bagels7
1019012;1423960729;mircea_popescu;!up wpalczynski
1019013;1423960778;mircea_popescu;joecool lol maybe you're the head of the black jews.
1019014;1423960882;joecool;*shrugs* stranger things have happened
1019015;1423961242;mircea_popescu;http://qntra.net/2015/02/new-security-standard-announced-at-devcore/#comment-10462
1019016;1423961242;assbot;New Security Standard Announced at DevCore | Qntra.net ... ( http://bit.ly/1CtRHiv )
1019017;1423961310;mircea_popescu;these people and their narcissistic delusions of self importance.
1019018;1423961366;BingoBoingo;!up hegemoOn
1019019;1423961381;Bagels7;Hi bingoboingo, im not even verified, and deleted my key and im on windows!
1019020;1423961392;BingoBoingo;Wow
1019021;1423961402;Bagels7;(its on another device)
1019022;1423961408;BingoBoingo;Ah
1019023;1423961482;Bagels7;why the up?
1019024;1423961544;BingoBoingo;WHy not?
1019025;1423961591;mircea_popescu;!up felipelalli
1019026;1423961609;mircea_popescu;he can never ruin an uppetite. for even if he ruins one, he has another coming right after!
1019027;1423961610;wpalczynski;what do you guys make of this btc rise?  any new behind it?
1019028;1423961619;wpalczynski;*news
1019029;1423961620;mircea_popescu;wpalczynski https://bitbet.us/bet/786/bitcoin-to-surpass-berkshire-as-an-investment/
1019030;1423961621;assbot;BitBet - Bitcoin to surpass Berkshire as an investment :: 1121.15 B (20%) on Yes, 4393.47 B (80%) on No | closed 53 minutes  ago ... ( http://bit.ly/1CtSH6l )
1019031;1423961656;mircea_popescu;note the dates.
1019032;1423961719;wpalczynski;what are they talking about?  how can one share be trading at 185k?
1019033;1423961791;BingoBoingo;Oh, only 10 hearncoin nodes
1019034;1423961821;TheNewDeal;;;later tell TomServo I'm in town this evening, out tomorrow morn. Will be back thursday
1019035;1423961821;gribble;The operation succeeded.
1019036;1423961998;mircea_popescu;are you new to all this, wpalczynski ?
1019037;1423962028;wpalczynski;bitbet i am
1019038;1423962038;mircea_popescu;no, finance.
1019039;1423962055;wpalczynski;not new to finance
1019040;1423962075;wpalczynski;ive just never seen a share of any company worth nearly that much
1019041;1423962079;mircea_popescu;well, berkshire is kind-of famous for this reason. you never heard of it ?
1019042;1423962120;wpalczynski;ive heard of some alleged scams associate with it
1019043;1423962128;mircea_popescu;you have ?! like which ?
1019044;1423962128;wpalczynski;is that reallyt what it trades at?
1019045;1423962133;BingoBoingo;Japanese companies tend towards similarly high share prices because of a lack of splits
1019046;1423962152;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo also the yen's kinda weak.
1019047;1423962172;wpalczynski;cant really recall to be honest with you
1019048;1423962182;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: That too
1019049;1423962345;Bagels7;so i was reading trilema.com, just gets me wound up sometimes
1019050;1423962421;BingoBoingo;Which part?
1019051;1423962433;BingoBoingo;!up Bagels7
1019052;1423962461;Bagels7;how are there no "happy postop transsexuals"
1019053;1423962562;mircea_popescu;dja know any ?
1019054;1423962590;Bagels7;yeah but they call themselves women not transsexuals
1019055;1423962672;mircea_popescu;anybody over 50 ?
1019056;1423962746;Bagels7;yes, mainly them i had in mind
1019057;1423962806;mircea_popescu;well, i guess maybe you're better connected in the group than me. i mostly know clinicians.
1019058;1423962836;Bagels7;okay so i heard that there are some who lose their sex drive and become some sort of bitter bitch but they must have been the ones that were confused or coherced
1019059;1423962867;mircea_popescu;because why ?
1019060;1423963113;Bagels7;I never asked but I might assume they miss having a dick
1019061;1423963201;mircea_popescu;well, i would imagine if they actually aim to be female they'd miss having a cunt more than having a dick.
1019062;1423963222;BingoBoingo;https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/2vw8sk/looks_like_over_80_of_bitcoin_foundation_members/
1019063;1423963225;assbot;Looks like over 80% of Bitcoin Foundation members are not allowed to vote in the current election - including several candidates & current board members. : Bitcoin ... ( http://bit.ly/19iWbPm )
1019064;1423963363;mircea_popescu;lol any good drama ?
1019065;1423963393;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: lol!!
1019066;1423963409;asciilifeform;'Less than 20% of Bitcoin Foundation members will be eligible to vote due to a new requirement that members "activate" their accounts. Even if they are candidates, current board members, regularly participate in the foundation message boards or are actively involved with the foundation. Even those who just joined within the last month would not be able to vote unless they performed the additional step of "activating" accounts.'
1019067;1423963424;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: Just that Brian Goss disenfranchised all of those paying derple https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/2vw8sk/looks_like_over_80_of_bitcoin_foundation_members/colkoy6
1019068;1423963426;assbot;Bg002h comments on Looks like over 80% of Bitcoin Foundation members are not allowed to vote in the current election - including several candidates & current board members. ... ( http://bit.ly/19iWv0t )
1019069;1423963436;mircea_popescu;aww wait, bruce fenton complaining ?
1019070;1423963441;BingoBoingo;INdeed
1019071;1423963475;mircea_popescu;well, whadda they want, bitcoin scam foundation sold lifetime seats and ran out of money. of course it's not gonna honor them
1019072;1423963482;mircea_popescu;it's like putting your dollars in a roth.
1019073;1423963517;hanbot;i guess "unactivated" is the socially acceptable term for nonhuman. and here i thought it was the concept itself that bothered folks.
1019074;1423963541;decimation;yeah I like the surprisingly reactionary 'election'
1019075;1423963552;decimation;except for the part where they pass it off as a fair election
1019076;1423963575;asciilifeform;having to rig the ballot (rather than the count) is almost iconically 'orc' inept
1019077;1423963590;mircea_popescu;like unactivated virii ?
1019078;1423963617;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform the funniest part is the notion that anyone gives a shit what comes out of it.
1019079;1423963742;asciilifeform;presumably the usg dept. of retardation or whatnot, which phunds the phoundation, cares.
1019080;1423963749;decimation;plus some bums on reddit
1019081;1423963783;mircea_popescu;hardly.
1019082;1423963798;mircea_popescu;it's more of a contest of possible scapegoats.
1019083;1423963836;decimation;like the soviets, they probably are going to pick the guy who is 'least likely to surrender to the foundation'
1019084;1423963875;BingoBoingo;!b 6
1019085;1423963876;assbot;Last 6 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/1ESTAFY.txt )
1019086;1423963882;hanbot;mircea_popescu not inasfar as unactivated virii implies knowable potential
1019087;1423964041;BingoBoingo;http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/volokh-conspiracy/wp/2014/01/29/negroes-and-the-gun-a-winchester-in-every-black-home/
1019088;1423964042;assbot;<i>Negroes and the Gun</i>: A Winchester “in every Black home” - The Washington Post ... ( http://bit.ly/1CurHBe )
1019089;1423964086;mircea_popescu;http://www.notjustbitchy.com/sadism-is-not-an-excuse-to-be-awful/#comment-5547 << for maximal trololol.
1019090;1423964088;assbot;  Sadism is not an excuse to be awful! » Not Just Bitchy ... ( http://bit.ly/1CurNZw )
1019091;1423964188;mircea_popescu;in other news, http://pervocracy.blogspot.ca/2012/08/the-myth-of-boner-werewolf.html is why "safewords" are utter bs. really, "red" midstride ? not happening.
1019092;1423964190;assbot;The Pervocracy: The Myth of the Boner Werewolf. ... ( http://bit.ly/1CusaDl )
1019093;1423964312;asciilifeform;paging herr mocsny:
1019094;1423964314;asciilifeform;'Try this one on for size. A man and woman are together, making out, removing clothes, getting totally naked, engaging in foreplay with both partners active, the woman mounts the man and begins rubbing her stuff on his stuff, without penetration but obviously that�s the next step; and then she suddenly says �I�m uncomfortable doing this,� and turns completely cold. I�ve experienced this. I respected the �No� but
1019095;1423964314;asciilifeform;I have to tell you it felt like an icy dagger being pounded straight into my heart. People tell me I�m pretty easy-going and in that situation I believed I proved it. But I really hope there aren�t too many women who make a habit of this. Because I don�t think men are biologically constructed to pass such tests reliably.'
1019096;1423964317;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu ^
1019097;1423964342;asciilifeform;(from archive, http://www.myrsky.net/danimal-archive-part-2 )
1019098;1423964344;assbot; » Danimal Archive, part 2. ... ( http://bit.ly/1CusF0f )
1019099;1423964359;mircea_popescu;it's just infantilism. girlie trying to test the limits of her world.
1019100;1423964387;mircea_popescu;it's unhealthy for said world to just infinitely give way in all directions all the time. at least some of the time she has to come face flat against a stone wall.
1019101;1423964405;mircea_popescu;for sanity, if nothing else.
1019102;1423964438;asciilifeform;but in the corner of the room, a little red-white-and-blue weasel sits and whispers in her ear, 'we can move, remove, all the walls, in exchange for just a trifle'
1019103;1423964498;mircea_popescu;tough.
1019104;1423964523;BingoBoingo;And seriously spz safewords are a thing red is a horribru one. Now Balloon or "I'm not just sure, I'm HIV positive" might have some potential.
1019105;1423964645;mircea_popescu;lol
1019106;1423964651;mircea_popescu;i think red is by far the widest used.
1019107;1423964681;asciilifeform;know of any logical reason for this?
1019108;1423964700;mircea_popescu;anyway, the whole construction's fucking irresponsible. for one thing, the subject's not in any position to evaluate anything. there are specific, well documented, well understood biological mechanisms that prevent a sane evaluation.
1019109;1423964717;mircea_popescu;if you handling the cane can't tell when she;s had enough, her with the bruises and marks CERTAINLY can't.
1019110;1423964762;BingoBoingo;Red is one of the worst imagineable for the purpose. It does nothing to break the context of the situation and fits in too many contexts appropirate to the situation. It's like a trailer park feeding trough using icecream as its safe word to get gluttons to leave.
1019111;1423964769;mircea_popescu;not to mention the entire fucking point of the exercise is for the sub/slave to SUBMIT. not to constantly feed the red herring of "individual self determination"
1019112;1423964780;asciilifeform;^
1019113;1423964833;mircea_popescu;not that i've actually met a woman seriously into bdsm that was all derpy with this atomic consent bs anyway.
1019114;1423964851;mircea_popescu;it's mostly the avatar of teenagers that wish to pretend they're adults, and make up their parallel adult world to inhabit.
1019115;1423964945;asciilifeform;and so read log; now, what's this i hear re: a 10mb statically-linked bitcoind ?!
1019116;1423964948;asciilifeform;what arch ?
1019117;1423964966;asciilifeform;somebody did something odd
1019118;1423965103;mod6;yeah, im sure i did.
1019119;1423965124;mod6;dynamically linked ~18mb, statically linked (that didn't work) ~28mb
1019120;1423965139;mod6;that was on obsd. which subsequently coredumped on execute
1019121;1423965163;mod6;so ~10mb /difference/
1019122;1423965191;asciilifeform;http://sasecurity.wikia.com/wiki/Encryption << anyone here admits to being responsible for this ?
1019123;1423965192;assbot;Encryption - Sasecurity Wiki ... ( http://bit.ly/19iZXrY )
1019124;1423965325;mod6;im still wrestling with trying to compile bitcoind on linux with statically linked libs & objects.
1019125;1423965339;asciilifeform;mod6: 'portatronic' will do it
1019126;1423965349;asciilifeform;ought to work on any reasonable unix
1019127;1423965360;asciilifeform;did you find otherwise ?
1019128;1423965383;mod6;no, havnet tried it.  ben is building it currently actually.  thanks.
1019129;1423965402;asciilifeform;i used that little script to build the armv5 bins
1019130;1423965411;asciilifeform;(also posted to listserv a while ago)
1019131;1423965907;BingoBoingo;mod6: Your appearance reminded me to update with the protocol.cpp #includes http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/2015/02/14/notes-on-building-bitcoin-qt-on-openbsd/
1019132;1423965908;assbot;Notes on Building Bitcoin-qt on OpenBSD | Bingo Blog ... ( http://bit.ly/1CuwP8e )
1019133;1423966047;BingoBoingo;!up jborkl
1019134;1423966407;mod6;BingoBoingo: ah, yeah cool. :]
1019135;1423966474;BingoBoingo;I also killed the block files and block index with my build today to test syncing again. Almost to 16801 again.
1019136;1423966489;mod6;ok cool.
1019137;1423966558;BingoBoingo;This run with a 4GB process RAM limit it hasn't crashed yet. Just crossed the 512 MB line around block 153000
1019138;1423966654;mod6;*nod* i wanna say that mine usually blows up around like 200-230k or w/e
1019139;1423966690;BingoBoingo;Well I'll report what happens when I get to March 2013 again
1019140;1423966691;mod6;(always past the last checkpoint, but usually before 252450)
1019141;1423966704;mod6;ok thanks BB
1019142;1423966802;BingoBoingo;I was at late Feb 2013 though when I killed my stuff to sync again
1019143;1423966815;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 2681 @ 0.000755 = 2.0242 BTC [+]
1019144;1423967158;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: realize that the obscene memhunger is 99+% bastard blocks
1019145;1423967167;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: don't take my word for it, either. 'valgrind.'
1019146;1423967176;decimation;lol usg http://www.wsj.com/articles/online-document-sheds-light-on-proposed-drone-rules-1423960620
1019147;1423967177;assbot;      Online Document Sheds Light on Proposed Drone Rules  - WSJ     ... ( http://bit.ly/1ACxNTw )
1019148;1423967182;asciilifeform;(doesn't require any actual work to use, just run as described earlier in log)
1019149;1423967185;decimation;"Federal regulators plan to propose rules that would limit commercial drone flights to below 500 feet, daytime hours and within sight of the operator, while also requiring operators to pass written exams, according to a federal document posted online Friday."
1019150;1423967212;decimation;they've been 'working' on these rules for more than 4 years and this is what they come up with?  the status quo?
1019151;1423967227;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: I might give that a go next time
1019152;1423967244;decimation;in case folks are unfamiliar, usg claims the air on 'your' land starting at 0 feet
1019153;1423967247;asciilifeform;decimation: the actual law, as always, is 'not caught, not thief.'
1019154;1423967253;asciilifeform;as with mircea_popescu's unlicense.
1019155;1423967277;decimation;yeah as if people are going to pay usg to fly their 'aircraft' at 500 feet within sight of the operator
1019156;1423967294;decimation;the whole point of the 'drone license' was that somehow drones would be able to fly farther
1019157;1423967318;asciilifeform;the corollary to the 'first law,' 'not caught not thief' - is 'may as well hang for a sheep as a lamb'
1019158;1423967373;asciilifeform;as in, if flying a pilotless machine from washington to new york is punishable with life at hard labour, the cargo may as well be cocaine
1019159;1423967378;asciilifeform;or trotyl
1019160;1423967380;asciilifeform;or whatever.
1019161;1423967437;BingoBoingo;torglodiesel
1019162;1423967445;BingoBoingo;*troglodiesel
1019163;1423967523;decimation;maximal bureaucratic ass covering plus 'anarchotyranny'
1019164;1423967560;decimation;ie 'anarchy for those who choose to thumb their nose at the law', tyranny for anyone who desires to comply
1019165;1423967603;asciilifeform;decimation: nah, 'anarchotyranny' - useful term, commonly understood - is when certain useful idiots are permitted a free hand to terrorize designated victims
1019166;1423967644;decimation;yeah usually the way the term is used, the 'anarchy' group is associated with privileged classes to whom the law does not practically apply
1019167;1423967778;BingoBoingo;http://reason.com/blog/2015/02/14/the-killer-the-reporter-and-the-southern
1019168;1423967780;assbot;The Killer, the Reporter, and the Southern Poverty Law Center - Hit & Run : Reason.com ... ( http://bit.ly/1ACzhNB )
1019169;1423967900;decimation;BingoBoingo: the splc is one of the official 'victim' group selectors
1019170;1423967915;BingoBoingo;That it is
1019171;1423968048;asciilifeform;http://www.ivy-style.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/04/nsa3.jpg << small l0l: the ru example is atrociously off
1019172;1423968049;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1ACzWP2 )
1019173;1423968063;asciilifeform;(from http://www.ivy-style.com/secret-society-nsa-recruiting-ads-at-brown-1968.html )
1019174;1423968065;assbot;Ivy Style » Secret Society: NSA Recruiting Ads At Brown, 1968 ... ( http://bit.ly/1ACzZdM )
1019175;1423968103;decimation;asciilifeform: what does the ru version say?
1019176;1423968118;asciilifeform;it's a dictionary gloss of the engl.
1019177;1423968155;decimation;ah without conjugation?
1019178;1423968159;asciilifeform;aha.
1019179;1423968276;mircea_popescu;troglodiesel lmao
1019180;1423968589;decimation;lol http://www.nytimes.com/2015/02/15/magazine/how-one-stupid-tweet-ruined-justine-saccos-life.html?smid=fb-share
1019181;1423968592;assbot;Log In - The New York Times ... ( http://bit.ly/1KYszCu )
1019182;1423968630;decimation;"“Going to Africa. Hope I don’t get AIDS. Just kidding. I’m white!”
1019183;1423968632;decimation;She chuckled to herself as she pressed send on this last one, then wandered around Heathrow’s international terminal for half an hour, sporadically checking her phone. No one replied, which didn’t surprise her. She had only 170 Twitter followers."
1019184;1423968653;decimation;"Sacco boarded the plane. It was an 11-hour flight, so she slept. When the plane landed in Cape Town and was taxiing on the runway, she turned on her phone. Right away, she got a text from someone she hadn’t spoken to since high school: “I’m so sorry to see what’s happening.” Sacco looked at it, baffled."
1019185;1423968691;decimation;No rasis comment goes unpunished!!
1019186;1423968818;mircea_popescu;lol
1019187;1423968846;mircea_popescu;what exactly "was happening" ?
1019188;1423968871;decimation;well, it's our old friends at valleywag
1019189;1423968887;decimation;"It’s possible that Sacco’s fate would have been different had an anonymous tip not led a writer named Sam Biddle to the offending tweet. Biddle was then the editor of Valleywag, Gawker Media’s tech-industry blog. He retweeted it to his 15,000 followers and eventually posted it on Valleywag, accompanied by the headline, “And Now, a Funny Holiday Joke From IAC’s P.R. Boss.”"
1019190;1423968889;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 56200 @ 0.00039092 = 21.9697 BTC [+]
1019191;1423968920;mircea_popescu;so basically nothing.
1019192;1423968935;decimation;right
1019193;1423968954;decimation;then the author takes the occasion to rail against whippings and pillories from 200 years go
1019194;1423968962;mircea_popescu;but good for the sheeple to find out that okcupid and tinder are owned by the same thing.
1019195;1423968964;mircea_popescu;that also owns vimeo.
1019196;1423968974;decimation;"The movement against public shaming had gained momentum in 1787, when Benjamin Rush, a physician in Philadelphia and a signer of the Declaration of Independence, wrote a paper calling for its demise — the stocks, the pillory, the whipping post, the lot. “Ignominy is universally acknowledged to be a worse punishment than death,” he wrote. “It would seem strange that ignominy should ever have been adopted as a milder punishment
1019197;1423968976;decimation;than death, did we not know that the human mind seldom arrives at truth upon any subject till it has first reached the extremity of error.”"
1019198;1423968981;mircea_popescu;(and apparently is no longer buddies with gawker media)
1019199;1423969001;decimation;it neatly connects the libtards of 1776 with the libtards of today
1019200;1423969002;mircea_popescu;now, the real journo story : how deep a discount did gawker offer on their advertising, who said no, why did they say no.
1019201;1423969009;mircea_popescu;THIS is how these shits "happen".
1019202;1423969035;decimation;and which new york jew now owns the whole thing?
1019203;1423969057;mircea_popescu;"oh, IAC said our deeply discounted CPM is not worth paying for anyway because we don't have any actual relevancy / power online ??!?!?!"
1019204;1423969065;mircea_popescu;"FINE PROVE IT TO THEM!!111"
1019205;1423969099;decimation;mircea_popescu: there's no mention of this obvious motivation in the story
1019206;1423969103;mircea_popescu;parallel construction is apparently a universal hobby. "tipsters" ? what tipsters. nobody fucking tips gawker.
1019207;1423969125;decimation;'six words from any 'honest man''
1019208;1423969144;mircea_popescu;except it doesn't actually do anything. gawker is entirely myspace'd.
1019209;1423969159;ben_vulpes;asciilifeform: re portotronic, what's the right thing to do with CROSS_PREFIX for non-arm builds? omit from script entirely?
1019210;1423969164;mircea_popescu;its audience is idiots, and this is publicly known. so...
1019211;1423969168;BingoBoingo;http://i.kinja-img.com/gawker-media/image/upload/s--TVwScWOw--/vaqllu4u7fp6vl1pptct.jpg
1019212;1423969169;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1ACD3X3 )
1019213;1423969179;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: replace with your compiler
1019214;1423969184;decimation;apparently it's enough for the new york times to get an independent op-ed
1019215;1423969227;mircea_popescu;anyway, in vaguely related news, i'm preparing a pretty lulzy "outrage the feminists" thing for later.
1019216;1423969233;mircea_popescu;should be interesting to see what comes of it.
1019217;1423969254;mircea_popescu;decimation : "independent op ed" = "piece written for narcissist that we didn't have to pay'
1019218;1423969267;decimation;actually, the whole thing smacks of doctor_why_bother
1019219;1423969272;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: or, wait, yeah
1019220;1423969290;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: you will have to strip out the dash and the $CROSS_PREFIX
1019221;1423969341;ben_vulpes;asciilifeform: aha. in the middle of it already.
1019222;1423969439;ben_vulpes;asciilifeform: CFLAGS should read something like -I/usr/include ?
1019223;1423969447;asciilifeform;aha
1019224;1423969464;asciilifeform;use the expected values for your machine.
1019225;1423969479;ben_vulpes;thanks for the patience, much of this is over my head. but what better way to contaminate my mind with the c toolchain than bitcoind
1019226;1423969488;asciilifeform;also realize that the script is not a 'makefile' and will pointlessly repeat heavy work if rerun
1019227;1423969489;ben_vulpes;<asciilifeform> use the expected values for your machine. << ahahaha "expected values" ahaha as if
1019228;1423969495;asciilifeform;a good project might be to transform it into a makefile.
1019229;1423969525;asciilifeform;i didn't feel like fighting gnumake's retardation re: treatment of envir. vars. and recursive invocations of self
1019230;1423969529;asciilifeform;hence the bash script.
1019231;1423969580;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: contaminate my mind with the c toolchain << if it isn't a secret, what do you normally work with ?
1019232;1423969597;asciilifeform;apple's compiler ?
1019233;1423969608;ben_vulpes;clients
1019234;1423969615;ben_vulpes;:P
1019235;1423969619;asciilifeform;lol
1019236;1423969630;ben_vulpes;python, bash, clojure.
1019237;1423969634;asciilifeform;aha.
1019238;1423969641;ben_vulpes;ruby as necessary to unfuck other people's mistakes.
1019239;1423969642;ben_vulpes;go ibid
1019240;1423969651;asciilifeform;so, whatever's brought ?
1019241;1423969657;ben_vulpes;a pauper is i.
1019242;1423969666;*;Adlai prefers "this is shit, let me do it in lisp"
1019243;1423969675;Adlai;excellent way of screening clients
1019244;1423969732;ben_vulpes;asciilifeform: other people in the shop use the apple toolchain and the android toolchain. all i ever do with those is "turn the right nut" when it comes to "signing" binaries for apple/google and cutting builds.
1019245;1423969748;ben_vulpes;the apple binary signing process is hilaribad.
1019246;1423969764;ben_vulpes;"fix this issue with your keys?"
1019247;1423969766;ben_vulpes;sure, why not.
1019248;1423969779;ben_vulpes;they're not real keys, as far as i care.
1019249;1423969782;trinque;I switced the deedbot blockchain to an ssd ebs volume
1019250;1423969784;trinque;still slow as fuck
1019251;1423969796;decimation;re: apple compilers < i wasted a few hours last week trying to get macports to build 'octave'
1019252;1423969819;decimation;turns out gcc4.9 would not link properly with the osx standard c++ library
1019253;1423969821;decimation;but clang would
1019254;1423969839;asciilifeform;!s llvm
1019255;1423969840;assbot;27 results for 'llvm' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=llvm
1019256;1423969843;asciilifeform;glue with broken glass.
1019257;1423969844;ben_vulpes;decimation: i've wasted 3 days over the past two weeks trying to get a modern browser to boot into x11 for os x.
1019258;1423969853;ben_vulpes;i've more or less given up at this point.
1019259;1423969861;trinque;ben_vulpes: dual boot the gentoos
1019260;1423969954;asciilifeform;http://www.ebay.com/itm/METCRAFT-FLOOR-MOUNT-COMBO-LAVATORY-SINK-AND-TOILET-FIXTURE-STAINLESS-STEEL-/161597762923 << ebaylulz
1019261;1423969956;assbot; Metcraft Floor Mount Combo Lavatory Sink and Toilet Fixture Stainless Steel | eBay  ... ( http://bit.ly/1ACF5Xk )
1019262;1423969965;asciilifeform;^ building own prison? just what you need.
1019263;1423970202;ben_vulpes;looks bad for the back.
1019264;1423970262;*;trinque watches atop -d... what the hell is btcd reading at a sustained 4mb/sec
1019265;1423970278;trinque;what is ram for
1019266;1423970304;trinque;and how does it need anything but the top of the blockchain
1019267;1423970315;asciilifeform;trinque: it doesn't
1019268;1423970330;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-02-2015#1019144
1019269;1423970330;assbot;Logged on 15-02-2015 02:25:58; asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: realize that the obscene memhunger is 99+% bastard blocks
1019270;1423970364;trinque;ah
1019271;1423970401;decimation;asciilifeform: does the same company sell the sought-after toilet/kitchen sink combo?
1019272;1423970446;BingoBoingo;decimation: In cell, that is kitchen sink
1019273;1423970485;asciilifeform;if prison cells had kitchenettes - i'm quite certain they would.
1019274;1423970486;decimation;of course, in comparison what what was suffered in ru's gulags, such an arrangement is quite luxurious
1019275;1423970673;trinque;anyone have a high bandwidth node I can give to deedbot to speed his ass up?
1019276;1423970679;trinque;*give its IP
1019277;1423970839;BingoBoingo;http://www.tedunangst.com/flak/post/my-stack-protector-wasnt-working
1019278;1423970840;assbot;my stack protector wasn't working ... ( http://bit.ly/1ACHQb2 )
1019279;1423970983;ben_vulpes;a RagnarDanneskjol!
1019280;1423970987;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: x86 is actually among the more lenient architectures for 'unaligned access'
1019281;1423970988;ben_vulpes;all these old names popping up.
1019282;1423971023;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: but on all machines you're likely to meet, there is at the very least a performance penalty for them
1019283;1423971039;BingoBoingo;Interesting
1019284;1423971054;asciilifeform;if you sit and think for a minute about how the memory works, it becomes clear why.
1019285;1423973405;decimation;more lolz http://reason.com/blog/2015/02/11/elizabeth-warren-wont-back-rand-pauls-au < "Sen. Elizabeth Warren (D., Mass.), a member of the Banking Committee and an outspoken critic of the Fed’s oversight of big banks, said she does not support Mr. Paul’s proposed legislation [to force a complete audit of the fed], which she said could have “dangerous” implications for monetary policy."
1019286;1423973407;assbot;Elizabeth Warren Won't Back Rand Paul's Audit the Fed Bill - Hit & Run : Reason.com ... ( http://bit.ly/1zVjPLH )
1019287;1423973440;decimation;^ this might actually be qntra worthy if someone puts the right spin on it
1019288;1423973631;BingoBoingo;decimation: Are you volunteering? If not I can write something up
1019289;1423974227;decimation;nah I don't think I can write good.
1019290;1423974330;decimation;lol  http://WillUsingThePrefixCyberMakeMeLookLikeAnIdiot.com
1019291;1423974331;assbot;WillUsingThePrefixCyberMakeMeLookLikeAnIdiot.com ... ( http://bit.ly/1zVlcds )
1019292;1423974477;decimation;related: http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/white-house-to-create-national-center-to-counter-cyberspace-intrusions/2015/02/09/a312201e-afd0-11e4-827f-93f454140e2b_story.html
1019293;1423974478;assbot;New agency to sniff out threats in cyberspace - The Washington Post ... ( http://bit.ly/1zVlq4m )
1019294;1423974959;mircea_popescu;!up Jrum
1019295;1423975283;mircea_popescu;https://flpics1.a.ssl.fastly.net/1975/1975551/00050efb-57c8-384f-c07a-4a309d258337_720.jpg
1019296;1423975284;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1zVmntr )
1019297;1423976212;decimation;!up PinkPosixPXE
1019298;1423976912;ben_vulpes;asciilifeform: CXXFLAGS=-O2 -std=c++03 -> CXXFLAGS=-O2 -O3 << is this braindamage of my own design?
1019299;1423976974;asciilifeform;wai wa
1019300;1423976989;asciilifeform;i think i actually put in the std=
1019301;1423977006;asciilifeform;and said why (see log) but have since forgotten.
1019302;1423977013;decimation;doesn't -O3 imply -O2?
1019303;1423977029;asciilifeform;where'd ya get the O2 O3 combo
1019304;1423977043;asciilifeform;and yes, decimation has it.
1019305;1423977046;ben_vulpes;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=28-01-2015#995066
1019306;1423977046;assbot;Logged on 28-01-2015 05:48:59; asciilifeform: 2) added c++03 flag, my crosscompiler spewed chunder without it
1019307;1423977051;asciilifeform;aha
1019308;1423977053;asciilifeform;yes.
1019309;1423977063;asciilifeform;not entirely related,
1019310;1423977066;asciilifeform;http://yosefk.com/blog/a-simple-way-to-get-more-people-to-code.html
1019311;1423977069;assbot;  A simple way to "get more people to code" ... ( http://bit.ly/1Dtv6nK )
1019312;1423977070;ben_vulpes;<asciilifeform> where'd ya get the O2 O3 combo << shlomiel moment
1019313;1423977071;asciilifeform;^ mega-l0l
1019314;1423977091;asciilifeform;'If there's a shortage of programmers, we could pay programmers more money.'
1019315;1423977137;asciilifeform;^ 'does not know how world works.' everybody knows that 'shortage' in usg parlance means 'not readily available at the centrally planned price'
1019316;1423977163;decimation;lol asciilifeform >"If this strikes you as absurd, does it strike you as even more absurd that people claim something to be a problem when its "solution" is as obvious as it is ridiculous? (Or is it really that ridiculous? Farm subsidies exist. Why not FarmVille subsidies?)"
1019317;1423977215;decimation;where's my farmville subsidies?  has congress passed the farmville bill yet?
1019318;1423977304;decimation;lol "An owner of a 3D printer recently told me that "having one really exposes the impotence of… not having one. For instance, I needed this little thingie to hold a shelf. Took 30 minutes to design and print. And where would I get it otherwise?!" The answer, of course, is "at a nearby store" where they have a box full of these thingies at about 20 cents apiece. Of course, in a couple thousand years, his investment in the 3D printer
1019319;1423977306;decimation;will repay itself though the continuous printing of thingies."
1019320;1423977350;decimation;of course, printing something structurally critical like a bracket holding weight is a great application for weakass-plastic 3d printing
1019321;1423977426;ben_vulpes;oh just beef it up some
1019322;1423977431;decimation;heh
1019323;1423977432;ben_vulpes;it ain't under vibratory load or anything
1019324;1423977484;decimation;so you gotta wonder how long it took the guy to dick around with his winblows cad software to create a bracket
1019325;1423977507;ben_vulpes;although the notion that you can design any 3d part of any utility without inventor or solidworks is pretty lulzy
1019326;1423977532;ben_vulpes;it has been a few years since i looked at the "open" cadcam "solutions".
1019327;1423977549;ben_vulpes;last time i checked the answer to "assemblies?" was "lolwut" and i stopped paying attention.
1019328;1423977586;decimation;yeah my understanding is that solidworks is kind of the 3d hill and autocad is king of the 2d hill
1019329;1423977596;decimation;s/kind/king/
1019330;1423977603;ben_vulpes;inventor fusion's pretty sweet.
1019331;1423977612;ben_vulpes;full multiphysics sims
1019332;1423977621;decimation;interesting
1019333;1423977627;ben_vulpes;that you gotta check against single dimension approximations to make sure it's not haring off into impossiblespace
1019334;1423977748;decimation;ben_vulpes: do either of those systems accept 'scripting' inputs, such that you could describe the parts with a textual interface?
1019335;1423977877;ben_vulpes;unrelated: http://www.gunslot.com/files/gunslot/images/80052.jpg
1019336;1423977878;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1Dtwuqw )
1019337;1423977892;ben_vulpes;decimation: they both support defining parts parametrically.
1019338;1423977905;ben_vulpes;and in fact that is how good part design should be done.
1019339;1423977933;decimation;I should think so
1019340;1423977949;ben_vulpes;mm but pure text part description?
1019341;1423977950;ben_vulpes;nah.
1019342;1423977959;ben_vulpes;well, i don't know.
1019343;1423977975;ben_vulpes;i wasn't programming when i was a hot modeler.
1019344;1423978004;ben_vulpes;it's one of those few interfacing problems that i don't really think is suited to a textual abstraction.
1019345;1423978012;decimation;I mean that the brain's language 'co-processor' (as ascii desribed it) can be used
1019346;1423978030;ben_vulpes;!s co-processor from:asciilifeform
1019347;1423978031;assbot;0 results for 'co-processor from:asciilifeform' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=co-processor+from%3Aasciilifeform
1019348;1423978031;decimation;well, there's certainly a 'does it fit' aspect that is visual
1019349;1423978072;ben_vulpes;decimation: it's actually very fast and intuitive once you've learned the interfaces.
1019350;1423978101;ben_vulpes;6-axis doolie to move the object around in space; select faces and planes on which to draw shapes and sweep/extrude them through space.
1019351;1423978112;ben_vulpes;"does it fit" << doubly so in the context of assemblies.
1019352;1423978213;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: the notion that you can design any 3d part of any utility without inventor or solidworks is pretty lulzy << trololol
1019353;1423978233;decimation;https://scottlocklin.wordpress.com/2012/09/12/not-all-programmers-alike/ << "I can’t speak for everyone, but when I program, I like to be able to make use of the rather-hefty chunk of my brain that evolved as a language co-processor. Language provides compact abstractions in a way that is difficult to beat using graphics except for inherently-visual tasks (the motion of mechanical parts, etc.)"
1019354;1423978235;assbot;Not all programmers are alike: a language rant | Locklin on science ... ( http://bit.ly/1Dtx5Iy )
1019355;1423978241;decimation;asciilifeform: made a comment on that post
1019356;1423978242;BingoBoingo;!up PinkPixel^
1019357;1423978262;asciilifeform;it's one of those few interfacing problems that i don't really think is suited to a textual abstraction << depends on what is being drawn. see 'openscad' etc.
1019358;1423978272;asciilifeform;(or, earlier, 'povray')
1019359;1423978406;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 79200 @ 0.00038439 = 30.4437 BTC [-]
1019360;1423978422;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: but yes, if physics sims, output to heavy industry spec, etc. is your thing - winblows.
1019361;1423978432;decimation;I certainly can describe a bolt as 'Hex bolts, Stainless steel 18-8, 1/4"-20'' and have a pretty good idea of what I mean
1019362;1423978480;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: on the other hand if all you want to do is to define some geometry and run a lathe, there are tolerably sane proggys around
1019363;1423978522;decimation;asciilifeform: what software would you recommend to create an easily purchased bracket from inappropriate materials?
1019364;1423978548;asciilifeform;'openscad' if mathematically-inclined, 'freecad' if used to traditional gui
1019365;1423978555;decimation;hehe
1019366;1423978565;asciilifeform;or wake up diametric, ask him what he uses now
1019367;1423978590;asciilifeform;^ fella owns a princely collection of cnc equipment
1019368;1423978599;decimation;yeah he does as I recall
1019369;1423978706;decimation;asciilifeform: actually in that scott locklin comment thread he brings up labview, which I'm sure you are familiar with
1019370;1423978726;decimation;I find his idea that someone actually uses labview for something other than to waste the taxpayers' time & money amusing
1019371;1423978762;asciilifeform;decimation: used, believe or not, in industry (as in, actual plant control)
1019372;1423978794;decimation;really?  why bother with the layers of turdware?
1019373;1423978798;asciilifeform;sorta occupies that niche of 'i need to automate a process but i refuse to learn to program'
1019374;1423978809;decimation;ah.
1019375;1423978817;asciilifeform;why bother with the layers << anything to 'avoid programming'
1019376;1423978846;decimation;Because there's very little I can imagine labview can do that couldn't be replaced with a few hundred lines of "c" and the labview driver library
1019377;1423978862;asciilifeform;in an earlier age, 'hypercard' (http://www.loper-os.org/?p=568 << my article on the subject) filled a similar niche
1019378;1423978907;asciilifeform;^ was ludicrously popular on account of intelligent folks who were 'afraid of programming' and agreed to try it out because it didn't pattern-match their phobia
1019379;1423978929;asciilifeform;rather than because of any one of the other characteristics
1019380;1423979005;decimation;yeah that makes sense.  as I recall as a youth in school, it was used as kind of a proto-powerpoint
1019381;1423979047;asciilifeform;microscope-hammer.
1019382;1423979120;decimation;actually even the html/css shitstack has grown its own quasi hypercard https://ifttt.com/
1019383;1423979121;assbot;Put the internet to work for you. - IFTTT ... ( http://bit.ly/1DtyyPf )
1019384;1423979129;decimation;and a variety of similar 'startups'
1019385;1423979146;decimation;except they cost $, are not reliable, and are less useful than hypercard was
1019386;1423979197;asciilifeform;decimation: if you'd like a canonical list of those turds, of several years' vintage, read the comments to 568.
1019387;1423979217;decimation;lolz I didn't look at the comments
1019388;1423979316;decimation;including one 'have you tried labview' lol
1019389;1423979474;ben_vulpes;oh jesus labview
1019390;1423979514;ben_vulpes;the best part about labview is how once a person builds a reasonably complex thing in it they and only they can really understand where all the pipes go and where all the data is and how control moves around
1019391;1423979524;ben_vulpes;one of the things that gently nudged me into my current slavery
1019392;1423979559;ben_vulpes;asciilifeform: 'trololol' < i suppose that part sheets, dimensional tolerancing and what have you are part of my base assumptions for part fab.
1019393;1423979571;decimation;asciilifeform: actually I think the best explanation for 'why hypercard had to die' is that apple discovered that you could sell software to chumps at huge profit, whereas actually competing on hardware is a low-margin miserable business
1019394;1423979620;ben_vulpes;i can't recall if i ever bumped into freecad.
1019395;1423979638;ben_vulpes;ah hey freecad looks okay
1019396;1423979653;decimation;I think I used it a little while, it mostly works
1019397;1423979694;ben_vulpes;oh jesus this is going to be like gimp isn't it
1019398;1423979708;ben_vulpes;every little feature squireled away a million menus down
1019399;1423979710;decimation;yeah that's exactly what I thought when I opened it
1019400;1423979719;asciilifeform;http://www.freecadweb.org
1019401;1423979720;assbot;FreeCAD: An Open Source parametric 3D CAD modeler ... ( http://bit.ly/1Dtzseo )
1019402;1423979731;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: like gimp ?
1019403;1423979770;ben_vulpes;asciilifeform: have you ever worked with photoshop, illustrator et al?
1019404;1423979776;ben_vulpes;and i mean for hours, weeks at a stretch?
1019405;1423979776;decimation;there's another angle to the 'open source cad' thing: autocad refuses to release the spec for their full-feature 'save' files
1019406;1423979790;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: actually yes.
1019407;1423979800;ben_vulpes;my mind is blown.
1019408;1423979803;ben_vulpes;why?
1019409;1423979822;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: as you can probably guess, 'not from a good life'
1019410;1423979908;ben_vulpes;asciilifeform: and did you spend a similar amount of time attempting to 'work' the same way in 'the gimp'?
1019411;1423979934;ben_vulpes;(subject of the portatron: "g++: Internal error: Killed (program cc1plus) ")
1019412;1423979956;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: i think i see what you were thinking.
1019413;1423979972;asciilifeform;internal error: killed << wai way
1019414;1423979975;asciilifeform;post output ?
1019415;1423979979;asciilifeform;or was that it
1019416;1423979980;ben_vulpes;ram, likely.
1019417;1423979985;ben_vulpes;no, 'twas all.
1019418;1423979989;asciilifeform;what were you building on?
1019419;1423979997;ben_vulpes;obj, obj, obj...Killed.
1019420;1423980001;asciilifeform;dead goat ?
1019421;1423980014;ben_vulpes;pauper's vps.
1019422;1423980023;asciilifeform;why -build- on a vps ?
1019423;1423980027;*;asciilifeform perplexed
1019424;1423980074;ben_vulpes;again, shlomiel.
1019425;1423980233;ben_vulpes;i'd no idea that compiling a static bitcoind would take quite so much memory. then again, it's loading all of boost and dbb and openssl - does all of the above need to reside in memory at the same time?
1019426;1423980258;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: same time << as obj, yes
1019427;1423980261;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: how else.
1019428;1423980331;decimation;it could swap on a hard drive at extreme performance penalty
1019429;1423980361;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: on the subject of 'gimp'-like proggys with terrifyingly layered menus - this is a well-known plague and there is no, afaik, ready pill for it.
1019430;1423980390;asciilifeform;someone might say 'key mappings' but this neglects the explorability aspect
1019431;1423980398;ben_vulpes;asciilifeform: the only pills i'm aware of are pouring capital into refining the interface and training the intended customers.
1019432;1423980413;asciilifeform;(the reason why it is possible to learn photoshit without reading docs is that the controls are there on the table, so to speak)
1019433;1423980414;ben_vulpes;aside from having the thing actually be programmable, but that's apparently a nonstarter in our world.
1019434;1423981858;*;ben_vulpes recompiles on local vm with actual beef to it.
1019435;1423982680;mircea_popescu;aww scoopbot ded ?
1019436;1423982690;mircea_popescu;;;later tell peterl scoopbot x.x
1019437;1423982692;gribble;The operation succeeded.
1019438;1423983554;ben_vulpes;http://harmful.cat-v.org/software/c++/I_did_it_for_you_all
1019439;1423983555;assbot;Bjarne Stroustrup: "I Did It For You All..." ... ( http://bit.ly/1EcSzIk )
1019440;1423984607;ben_vulpes;time ./auto.sh
1019441;1423984608;ben_vulpes;...
1019442;1423984609;ben_vulpes;real20m17.054s
1019443;1423984831;mircea_popescu;lol @fake interview
1019444;1423984900;ben_vulpes;p funny
1019445;1423985443;ben_vulpes;http://longnow.org/essays/richard-feynman-connection-machine/
1019446;1423985445;assbot;Richard Feynman and The Connection Machine - The Long Now ... ( http://bit.ly/1zEiy6Q )
1019447;1423985928;ben_vulpes;wolfram worked with feynman at Thinking Machines?!
1019448;1423986044;ben_vulpes;Whenever it came time for his daily bowl of soup he would look around for the nearest "girl" and ask if she would fetch it to him. It did not matter if she was the cook, an engineer, or the president of the company. I once asked a female engineer who had just been a victim of this if it bothered her. "Yes, it really annoys me," she said. "On the other hand, he is the only one who ever explained quantum mechanics to me as if I could
1019449;1423986044;ben_vulpes;understand it."
1019450;1423987329;mircea_popescu;so in the end... she enjoyed it ?
1019451;1423987617;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 38400 @ 0.00040115 = 15.4042 BTC [+]
1019452;1423988025;mircea_popescu;decimation: of course, printing something structurally critical like a bracket holding weight is a great application for weakass-plastic 3d printing << yes, because hopefully it falls on his head.
1019453;1423992392;BingoBoingo;!up Vexual
1019454;1423992488;BingoBoingo;!up hegemoOn
1019455;1423992489;Vexual;Reminds me of some aussie cops spending 10k on a printer and 9bux on a roll pf cornstarch to show how a liberator will take your fingers orf
1019456;1423992498;BingoBoingo;lol
1019457;1423992503;hegemoOn;thank you BingoBoingo
1019458;1423992725;Vexual;Theyre busy investigating all the unwarranted bugging by the internal affairs of the next commissioner now. Printers prolly gone
1019459;1423992832;hegemoOn;good morning gentlemen
1019460;1423992857;Vexual;Hello hegemoon
1019461;1423992899;BingoBoingo;Vexual: The Buggering bu Internal Affairs you say?
1019462;1423992976;Vexual;Dunno. Makes me think that things McAfee says aren't nessisarily because of bath salts
1019463;1423993046;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 5589 @ 0.00073773 = 4.1232 BTC [-] {20} 
1019464;1423993166;Vexual;Perhaps politics amd sculldugerous corruption are inseprable
1019465;1423993393;Vexual;More likely noone actually knows whats happening
1019466;1423993564;BingoBoingo;Well, the person getting buggered probably has an idea
1019467;1423993566;Vexual;;;ticker
1019468;1423993567;gribble;Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 267.08, Best ask: 267.78, Bid-ask spread: 0.70000, Last trade: 267.79, 24 hour volume: 20489.98533335, 24 hour low: 242.46, 24 hour high: 267.79, 24 hour vwap: 253.324401193
1019469;1423993689;punkman;"An owner of a 3D printer recently told me that "having one really exposes the impotence of… not having one." << it's a great timesink, especially if you enjoy flapping your hands wondering why the fuck it's not printing or why it's on fire again
1019470;1423993710;Vexual;Lol
1019471;1423993750;Vexual;Sounds a lot like the police commissioners job
1019472;1423993830;punkman;also, not only do you have to learn to CAD, but most CADs just don't work for things you want to 3D print
1019473;1423993849;punkman;and then there's the G-code slicer
1019474;1423993859;punkman;oh what a wonderful world that is
1019475;1423993875;Vexual;Poor lady had so many more police holes than baddie holes in hostages in the recent terry wrist thing
1019476;1423993900;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 42800 @ 0.00038309 = 16.3963 BTC [-] {2} 
1019477;1423993960;Vexual;So does a 3d printer make you get better at cad?
1019478;1423993984;punkman;maybe, if you aren't spending all your time trying to keep printer level
1019479;1423994175;Vexual;Like the builder who presents a nice archicad flythru then blames the concreter for everything that follows
1019480;1423994217;punkman;!up Vexual
1019481;1423994335;punkman;"Insufficient rights, punkman, !up yourself on PM first." but why
1019482;1423994441;punkman;!up Vexual
1019483;1423994460;Vexual;Shes fun
1019484;1423994638;punkman;10 years of RepRap gets you from here: http://reprap.org/mediawiki/images/thumb/d/d8/All_3_axes_fdmd_sml.jpg/527px-All_3_axes_fdmd_sml.jpg
1019485;1423994640;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1FdiMdl )
1019486;1423994645;punkman;to here: http://reprap.org/mediawiki/images/5/55/Prusai3-metalframe.jpg
1019487;1423994648;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1FdiMKh )
1019488;1423994712;Vexual;I've always wanted a makerbot
1019489;1423994766;punkman;makerbot is an inch closer to "just works"
1019490;1423994789;Vexual;They look like they're getting crapper for ease of use
1019491;1423994866;Vexual;I just wanna run any material and stuff is adjustable
1019492;1423995029;Vexual;I mean easier to use at the expense of actually working well
1019493;1423995208;punkman;I'm gonna try again in 2016
1019494;1423995271;Vexual;Hopefully ba has a thingiverse better by then
1019495;1423995296;BingoBoingo;What does a 3D printer actually fix that a roll of Duct tape doesn't fix faster and better?
1019496;1423995303;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 122300 @ 0.00038384 = 46.9436 BTC [+] {2} 
1019497;1423995384;Vexual;Its about arranging things correctly
1019498;1423995752;punkman;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_UdjDMdBVRY
1019499;1423995753;assbot;XRobots - Lulzbot TAZ4 3D Printer Unboxing, Setup & First Prints - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1Fdlxvp )
1019500;1423995790;Vexual;A well designed shelf bracket will be better and stronger than the hardware shop equivalent
1019501;1423995876;Vexual;You can have holes that fit the screws you own
1019502;1423995944;Vexual;Or sign to say you have a copy of some turgid dick in abs
1019503;1423996000;BingoBoingo;I thought the hole was supposed to adapt to the screw
1019504;1423996127;Vexual;yeah you print the hole to suit
1019505;1423996173;punkman;I don't want it to fix things, that's nonsense
1019506;1423996417;BingoBoingo;!up Vexual
1019507;1423996630;Vexual;Yah can duct tape anything its true. But it's nice when shit works properly
1019508;1423996786;Vexual;Remember when fluffypony made mining rig racks from aluminum section?
1019509;1423996795;fluffypony;still do
1019510;1423996824;BingoBoingo;211165 and still going on latest sync test. Will try to ride this one to the present
1019511;1423996853;BingoBoingo;At least fluffypony learned his lesson about shipping stuff via boat
1019512;1423996866;fluffypony;lol yeah
1019513;1423996881;BingoBoingo;And about opening sales to the lowest common denominator
1019514;1423996928;Vexual;Did a shark eat it?
1019515;1423996955;BingoBoingo;Only the left one
1019516;1423996972;fluffypony;jawz
1019517;1423996983;Vexual;What happened with the ocean surface?
1019518;1423997012;Vexual;Too slow 5 mining?
1019519;1423997087;fluffypony;Vexual: yeah, the cheapskates that chose surface mail had to wait 3 months for their stuff to arrive
1019520;1423997278;punkman;fluffypony: did the usg agent choose surface mail too?
1019521;1423997292;fluffypony;punkman: hah hah yes
1019522;1423997309;fluffypony;Secret Agent Man
1019523;1423997326;punkman;fun
1019524;1423997355;BingoBoingo;!up Vexual
1019525;1423997372;Vexual;Danke
1019526;1423997373;Vexual;Well
1019527;1423997502;Vexual;It really seems anyone in the game is doing the same thing they did 2 yeats ago
1019528;1423997610;Vexual;Shit just works
1019529;1423997625;BingoBoingo;http://pipeline.corante.com/archives/2015/02/13/rapamycin_and_aging_the_spotlight_shines.php
1019530;1423997626;assbot;Rapamycin And Aging: The Spotlight Shines. In the Pipeline:  ... ( http://bit.ly/1zg8diN )
1019531;1423997668;thestringpuller;oh no. computer is running out of memory due to bitcoin
1019532;1423997680;thestringpuller;using up 80% of memory
1019533;1423997712;BingoBoingo;thestringpuller: What are you running bitcoin on?
1019534;1423997813;Vexual;Did vulpes try compile on ppc? Or does he only run intel macs?
1019535;1423997861;punkman;bitcoind doesn't run on ppc
1019536;1423997873;Vexual;Oh
1019537;1423997914;BingoBoingo;punkman: What makes you so sure?
1019538;1423997914;Vexual;I just read 3 days on x and project ed
1019539;1423997965;punkman;BingoBoingo: not sure, I was looking at some recent patches for big-endian support though
1019540;1423998007;punkman;does it run?
1019541;1423998023;BingoBoingo;Just because it doesn't compile as offered doesn't mean and can't be beat into it.
1019542;1423998039;thestringpuller;BingoBoingo a machine with only 1gb of ram
1019543;1423998043;BingoBoingo;Haven't tried don't have any PPC macs around at the moment
1019544;1423998049;BingoBoingo;thestringpuller: No the OS
1019545;1423998065;thestringpuller;Debian 7
1019546;1423998074;BingoBoingo;Ah
1019547;1423998114;BingoBoingo;thestringpuller: What about setting a process memory usage limit and scripting the restart process after it gets killed?
1019548;1423998704;Vexual;I stopped buying macs when they went intel
1019549;1423998750;Vexual;They are glittery worky nao tho
1019550;1423998964;Vexual;I guess x11 is the sameish
1019551;1423999108;Vexual;Best deleted
1019552;1423999192;Vexual;still it rots somewhere like steves stonewash, feigning importance
1019553;1423999637;BingoBoingo;!up Vexual
1019554;1424000239;Vexual;An affliction that unburdened by
1019555;1424000261;Vexual;I'm
1019556;1424000417;thestringpuller;BingoBoingo: I will try it again at some point ~_~
1019557;1424000424;thestringpuller;i had to kill it too much memory
1019558;1424000427;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 55100 @ 0.00037987 = 20.9308 BTC [-] {2} 
1019559;1424000489;BingoBoingo;thestringpuller: Well, you can restart it nao. The memory consumption was fatherless bastard blocks. Should restart with low RAM usage before creeping up and needing killed again. This can be repeated until you reach the present.
1019560;1424000492;Vexual;What are you running it on thestringpuller?
1019561;1424000510;thestringpuller;The computer is a decade old Vexual
1019562;1424000525;Vexual;Noice
1019563;1424000544;thestringpuller;Was an old gaming rig now turned server cause it has SATA/IDE/SCSI
1019564;1424000549;thestringpuller;so I just connect lots of drives to it
1019565;1424000602;Vexual;Thatd have cost a pretty penny
1019566;1424000638;Vexual;Back in the day. Crossroads of storage
1019567;1424000667;thestringpuller;yea, but i guess problem is if this computer is slow at getting current block this raising blocksize thing ain't gonna fly
1019568;1424000682;Vexual;Will it raid?
1019569;1424000683;thestringpuller;like computers grow on trees or some nonsense
1019570;1424000773;thestringpuller;I've never used the built in raid controller. I dunno if I could find the software needed to run it that way since I'm pretty sure the mainboard company is now defunct ~_~
1019571;1424000854;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 127200 @ 0.00037509 = 47.7114 BTC [-] {2} 
1019572;1424000906;Vexual;How many meg blocks are even?
1019573;1424000936;Vexual;Miners seem to prefer 250k
1019574;1424000943;thestringpuller;ya
1019575;1424001271;Vexual;Yad need some friends and private fibre to mine 20 meg block
1019576;1424001280;BingoBoingo;http://qntra.net/2015/02/elizabeth-warren-balks-on-opportunity-to-act-on-federal-reserve-criticisms/
1019577;1424001281;assbot;Elizabeth Warren Balks on Opportunity to Act on Federal Reserve Criticisms | Qntra.net ... ( http://bit.ly/1ADYabI )
1019578;1424001351;thestringpuller;dat scoopbot downtime tho
1019579;1424001543;BingoBoingo;!up Vexual
1019580;1424001958;Vexual;The block reward gets smaller, fees will come into it
1019581;1424002048;Vexual;Who will wait around for 1 meg?
1019582;1424002291;Vexual;We don't even know what a block is worth
1019583;1424002623;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 123265 @ 0.00037159 = 45.804 BTC [-] {3} 
1019584;1424002759;BingoBoingo;http://www.gomerblog.com/2015/02/penetrating-traumas/
1019585;1424002760;assbot;Cupid Off Target This Valentine’s Day, Causing Massive Penetrating Traumas | GomerBlog ... ( http://bit.ly/1AE27Nu )
1019586;1424002841;Vexual;I thought massive penetrating trauma happensvwhen cupid is in full effect
1019587;1424002866;BingoBoingo;who knows?
1019588;1424002900;Vexual;Trauma isn't necessarily bad
1019589;1424003006;Vexual;is it not just sone sudden change ?
1019590;1424003069;Adlai;how about "an uncomfortable recalibration of one's comfort zone"
1019591;1424003207;Vexual;That works
1019592;1424003236;Vexual;Deal with it
1019593;1424003379;BingoBoingo;!up Vexual
1019594;1424003386;Vexual;Anyway I'm off to sleep in the dirt
1019595;1424003452;Adlai;don't forget to take off your shirt
1019596;1424003483;Vexual;I would have if you hadn't mentioned itt
1019597;1424008784;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 116950 @ 0.00038573 = 45.1111 BTC [+] {2} 
1019598;1424013896;mircea_popescu;gooood mornin' terrines y terreurs
1019599;1424013974;danielpbarron;to give some idea of how much faster solid state drive is vs a 5400 rpm drive, it caught up to a weeks worth of blocks in about a day
1019600;1424014002;danielpbarron;height=183012 vs height=181378  currently
1019601;1424014152;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 156450 @ 0.00036457 = 57.037 BTC [-] {3} 
1019602;1424014169;mircea_popescu;impressive.
1019603;1424014342;danielpbarron;it's around the 180k mark that it all slows down
1019604;1424014569;kakobrekla;i wonder what goes longer way towards 'inclusiveness', the big blocks or cheap nodes
1019605;1424014595;mircea_popescu;this is a legitimate question.
1019606;1424014602;mircea_popescu;obviously, both. in what proportion ? well...
1019607;1424014628;mircea_popescu;but that was the camels/donkeys thing exactly.
1019608;1424015315;mircea_popescu;http://40.media.tumblr.com/0059a70599c6bf51782bcf765eac8c1e/tumblr_ni508hf2UN1ryv8ymo1_1280.jpg
1019609;1424015316;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1yGBT7w )
1019610;1424015501;chetty;http://www.clickorlando.com/news/deputies-hundreds-of-teens-storm-ocoee-theater/31281974
1019611;1424015502;assbot;Deputies: Hundreds of teens storm Ocoee theater | News  - Home ... ( http://bit.ly/1MnYGz1 )
1019612;1424015633;mircea_popescu;the stormteens ?
1019613;1424016277;chetty;a general breakdown of civilized behavior ..seems to be getting worse
1019614;1424019273;mircea_popescu;i dunno... kids breaking into the movies seems pretty civilised.
1019615;1424019825;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22047 @ 0.00035928 = 7.921 BTC [-] {2} 
1019616;1424020979;mircea_popescu;http://41.media.tumblr.com/28d2bb2ffbc641518a3674b8fe676582/tumblr_ngz20w8Rmh1r6nfu5o1_500.jpg << and the worst ropework ever award goes to...
1019617;1424020981;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1L09csV )
1019618;1424021411;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 127404 @ 0.00039539 = 50.3743 BTC [+] {2} 
1019619;1424021884;mircea_popescu;http://41.media.tumblr.com/7775b8f8ffc657bc015ef2ee82ae9a96/tumblr_nevo5u87uH1ryv8ymo6_r1_1280.jpg 1940s
1019620;1424021886;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1Arz3tW )
1019621;1424022254;ben_vulpes;what's the context of all the "schoolgirls"?
1019622;1424022530;mircea_popescu;nobody actually knows. that pic is about as old as cable modems, but its context lost to the world.
1019623;1424022600;mircea_popescu;http://38.media.tumblr.com/e7da3c023fe4aa185818c0f45d2608a9/tumblr_ngyygwRl3P1u13y88o1_500.gif << mail order bride done right.
1019624;1424022602;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1L0cTih )
1019625;1424022692;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21996 @ 0.00040248 = 8.853 BTC [+]
1019626;1424023257;mircea_popescu;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DlfkutB-PcE << this is epic. so some derp from alba (roguhly romania's equivalent of Indiana) has been a fugitive sought for proxenetism and "creating an organised crime group" for over a year. he's put some derpy rap thing on youtube, and the tv chicks are creaming their pants because "over 1000 views". literally, "peste o mie de vizitatori" = over 1k views.
1019627;1424023259;assbot;Cel mai cautat interlop din Alba a devenit vedeta pe internet - Extern - Observator Antena1 - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1ArCtx3 )
1019628;1424023281;mircea_popescu;they even have a 5 second delay "connecting" to the "correspondent". who is like, fifty feet away.
1019629;1424024156;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 56350 @ 0.00037393 = 21.071 BTC [-]
1019630;1424025003;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: proxenetism ?
1019631;1424025018;mircea_popescu;hm. pimpery.
1019632;1424025035;*;asciilifeform assumed it meant 'running a net of spam proxies'
1019633;1424025075;mircea_popescu;lol
1019634;1424025287;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: gurlz list << mega-l0l!
1019635;1424025312;asciilifeform;how many, one might wonder, are decoys
1019636;1424025327;asciilifeform;(iirc those are sop on 'sex www' sites)
1019637;1424025464;davout;http://fr.anco.is/2015/x-eur-february-15th-2015-statement/
1019638;1424025465;assbot;X.EUR February 15th 2015 statement | fr.anco.is ... ( http://bit.ly/17CrLHj )
1019639;1424025742;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9254 @ 0.00037393 = 3.4603 BTC [-]
1019640;1424025885;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform one so inclined can verify.
1019641;1424025918;mircea_popescu;unrelatedly, it's kinda fun to watch the slowly seethin anger or "secret" girly venues at this INCREDIBLE IMPROPRIETY.
1019642;1424025947;mircea_popescu;god damned it they have decided fetlife is not to be searched. how dares anyone change this, and how dare they be someone specific!
1019643;1424026003;mircea_popescu;s/or/on/
1019644;1424026260;asciilifeform;mega-weeve
1019645;1424026325;asciilifeform;did this actually get a rise out of somebody ?
1019646;1424026667;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: post your x86 auto.sh on the listserv ?
1019647;1424026741;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform for instance http://www.notjustbitchy.com/clearly-there-are-too-many-women-on-fetlife/
1019648;1424026743;assbot;  Clearly there are too many women on Fetlife » Not Just Bitchy ... ( http://bit.ly/17CvGnA )
1019649;1424026818;mircea_popescu;https://github.com/meitar/fetlife-aslsearch#why-can-i-only-search-for-men-not-women for moar example.
1019650;1424026819;assbot;meitar/fetlife-aslsearch · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/17CvTqY )
1019651;1424026864;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: 'my educated guess that the search is not offered because they couldn't support it, technically, not for any high falootin' ethical considerations.' << lol, like the thousands of dissertations on 'use of light and shadow' in sistine chapel ceiling
1019652;1424026872;asciilifeform;where did they go when the soot was cleaned off.
1019653;1424026910;mircea_popescu;lol yup.
1019654;1424026915;mircea_popescu;nobody, conveniently, remembers those.
1019655;1424026925;asciilifeform;of course not
1019656;1424026929;mircea_popescu;because, you see, "nobody ever got fired for arguing from pangloss".
1019657;1424026936;mircea_popescu;the ibm thing is just a subset of this.
1019658;1424027034;asciilifeform;'nobody ever got fired' for being a meatpuppet who blindly imitates their immediate neighbour - yes
1019659;1424027038;mircea_popescu;ascribing intent to happenstance is like ascribing causation to correlation, or ascribing life to movement : it soothes the brain, it makes the world "friendlier"
1019660;1424027045;asciilifeform;but they do deserve a good thrashing now & then
1019661;1424027055;mircea_popescu;only if they're more than meatpuppet.
1019662;1424027072;mircea_popescu;only slavegirl should be beaten for failure, and only exceptional girls should be accepted into slavery.
1019663;1424027211;jurov;!s assbot dividend
1019664;1424027211;assbot;3 results for 'assbot dividend' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=assbot+dividend
1019665;1424027212;asciilifeform;even if there is nothing sentient in the muppet that would win from the thrashing - if it is a public one, it will do some good for those who yet might
1019666;1424027263;jurov;kakobrekla, assbot again did not announce mpex dividends
1019667;1424027279;jurov;divs are deprecated now?
1019668;1424027292;mircea_popescu;jurov there was an error which we've meanwhile fixed
1019669;1424027298;mircea_popescu;should appear from thenceforth
1019670;1424027307;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform hard to argue with that point.
1019671;1424027732;decimation;asciilifeform: win from the thrashing - if it is a public one << "maim one, educate one thousand"
1019672;1424027758;jurov;also, i can't relate the bitbet dividend (3.21579681) to S.BBET monthly statement that says:
1019673;1424027768;jurov;3.21579699 BTC minus 1.9624272 BTC substracted due to last month's credit, for a final total of 1.25336979 BTC to be paid as dividends for MPEx(sic!) shares this month.
1019674;1424027948;jurov;i'd suggest mircea to hire someone reliable to do the dividend payouts
1019675;1424029213;kakobrekla;lol is it erroneous again?
1019676;1424029249;decimation;https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=9052727 < lol, listen to chumps stuck inside the silly-con valley startup chumpatron grind and squeal about the sudden realization that they are working for nothing
1019677;1424029250;assbot;Ask HN: What up with these startup salaries? | Hacker News ... ( http://bit.ly/1L0sbn8 )
1019678;1424029259;mircea_popescu;lmao
1019679;1424029261;mircea_popescu;i carried it.
1019680;1424029286;mircea_popescu;jurov this is quickly developing into my fatal flaw, so i can be like a villain in the movies.
1019681;1424029297;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: is it theoretically possible that the 3% figure is off on account of gurlz refusing to indicate their sex (or somehow listing it in non-readily-machinereadable form in 'about' biographical box, etc. - is there one?)
1019682;1424029297;mircea_popescu;"sure he can piss everyone off - but he can't actually pay dividends correctly to save his life"
1019683;1424029353;mircea_popescu;there is no way to list it but not list it. they could in principle not list it at all - the problem then becomes that, for our needs, they actually ARENT female.
1019684;1424029420;mircea_popescu;so it's "about 3% out of the first 100k that self identify as female and self identify as under 30yo". for all we know two thirds of that are all labrador retrievers.
1019685;1424029427;asciilifeform;decimation: they were 'working for nothing' long ago, by way of giving up most of their salary to the local real estate chumpatron as a mandatory matter
1019686;1424029439;asciilifeform;decimation: low pay is not the only way to be poor
1019687;1424029444;mircea_popescu;decimation music to my years
1019688;1424029446;mircea_popescu;i mean ears.
1019689;1424029463;decimation;yeah some of the comments are amusing
1019690;1424029478;decimation;"Don't you have faith that we'll be successful?"
1019691;1424029535;mircea_popescu;"nope"
1019692;1424029541;mircea_popescu;"not enough to give you my girl, anyway"
1019693;1424029563;mircea_popescu;imagine the market chilling effects of these derps having to actually ask the girl from her father.
1019694;1424029572;mircea_popescu;"o no, it would capsize the economy"
1019695;1424029575;mircea_popescu;what fucking economy ?
1019696;1424029641;decimation;apparently in new york the situation is a little more harsh: "In New York, people have given up on equity. I hear this time and again in the NYC tech scene - building a company is hard in NYC because people don't believe equity is worth anything because of the bullshit that happened in the first bubble. In New York especially, there were a lot of shenanigans with equity in 99/00 bubble/crash era where companies got sold and employees
1019697;1424029643;decimation;got nothing because of liquidation preferences and other things. "
1019698;1424029862;decimation;http://www.geocities.ws/drhenke/startupmemo.htm < wise advice linked in the comments
1019699;1424029862;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1L0tGl8 )
1019700;1424029875;decimation;"If your gut (or someone you trust) tells you that ANY ONE of the Founders is a bozo, forget it and walk away. They will take you and the company down."
1019701;1424030065;asciilifeform;re: tiny equities: as i understand, scarcely anyone even gets a fixed % of a company now
1019702;1424030089;asciilifeform;because it is generally understood that whatever one gets will be 'homeopathic' quantity after umpteen rounds of dilution
1019703;1424030111;asciilifeform;instead you get 'xxxx shares'
1019704;1424030116;asciilifeform;(of what? who knows)
1019705;1424030185;mircea_popescu;whoever reads the term sheets knows.
1019706;1424030205;mircea_popescu;but anyway : mpex people get fixed %s. everyone else gets shit.
1019707;1424030220;asciilifeform;tale was re: usa rather than mpex, aha
1019708;1424030325;asciilifeform;'In Silicon Valley, my startup offers over the past two years have ranged from $160-250K with 0.5-0.75% equity.' -- from one comment in above link. and folks read this, and think he's paid 250k in actual money
1019709;1424030339;asciilifeform;why no one ever discusses actual take-home pay ?
1019710;1424030368;asciilifeform;i.e. what remains after -all- the taxation?
1019711;1424030480;mircea_popescu;because the ydo not wish to be depressed.
1019712;1424030502;asciilifeform;the folks in that thread appear to be entirely willing to be depressed
1019713;1424030533;asciilifeform;but somehow continue to studiously dance around the subject of the disease that's actually killing them
1019714;1424031307;decimation;asciilifeform: most of them would agree with moldbug's analysis that they believe paying tax is 'i gave at the office'
1019715;1424031325;asciilifeform;the biggest tax, by far, is the real estate chumpamatic
1019716;1424031429;asciilifeform;and if the folks involved could live in detroit and collect that salary, they would.
1019717;1424031463;decimation;if by 'detroit' you mean anywhere where you could buy a house for less than 100k, you are probably correct
1019718;1424031469;asciilifeform;aha
1019719;1424031485;asciilifeform;if they all moved to the actual detroit, the chump harvester would simply move with them
1019720;1424031490;decimation;aye
1019721;1424031509;decimation;asciilifeform, all these high salaries 'create jobs', you see
1019722;1424031532;asciilifeform;to follow mircea_popescu's 'ducks and hunters' analogy, the ducks cluster in a flock and get shot together
1019723;1424031574;asciilifeform;it would be interesting to consider what 'refusing to be the duck' would mean for the programmers
1019724;1424031594;decimation;replacement by an indian, either on or off shore
1019725;1424031597;asciilifeform;would they each pick a village and duel to the death with any other who decides to come to town ?
1019726;1424031633;asciilifeform;decimation: as i understand, everyone who could easily be 'replaced by indian' (not always from india proper, but often east eu, etc. and the 'orc' world in general) - has been
1019727;1424031666;mircea_popescu;<decimation> replacement by an indian, either on or off shore << this is like saying your trophy wife that if she quits you, you'll replace her with a masturbation aid.
1019728;1424031673;mircea_popescu;is it supposed to be like a threat or something ?
1019729;1424031677;decimation;if that's true, then why are the chumpers willing to work for $60k (and pay $60k to live)
1019730;1424031696;mircea_popescu;statu quo.
1019731;1424031706;mircea_popescu;why were romanians willing to shiver in the winter in 88 ?
1019732;1424031736;mircea_popescu;!up hegemoOn
1019733;1424031742;decimation;because the chumps to the right and left were also so willing apparently
1019734;1424031759;hegemoOn;thank you mircea_popescu
1019735;1424031830;asciilifeform;re: programmers, the inescapable conclusion is that in usa, their $xxx k-usd salary is merely a 'money laundry' vehicle for real estate racket
1019736;1424031835;asciilifeform;and in no sense anything else
1019737;1424031835;hegemoOn;to talk abour what i know
1019738;1424031868;decimation;asciilifeform: yeah, it goes to the thread a few weeks ago about why does usg even bother to tax at all
1019739;1424031871;hegemoOn;in the 90 most bouncer were freelance
1019740;1424031876;mircea_popescu;http://trilema.com/2015/what-the-actual-threat-of-the-medicalisation-of-individuality-looks-like/ << moar scriptures for the cult bible.
1019741;1424031876;assbot;What the actual threat of the medicalisation of individuality looks like pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.  ... ( http://bit.ly/1AFxuaD )
1019742;1424031881;hegemoOn;getting high salary
1019743;1424031901;decimation;decimation: it would simplify accounting if your salary just went directly to the local land baron
1019744;1424031936;mircea_popescu;decimation the point for the accounting is to not be simplified. it would also simplify accounting if the two jews "selling" each other the same painting just wrote random numbers of paper.
1019745;1424031952;hegemoOn;but owner of club decided to unit and
1019746;1424031952;mircea_popescu;similarly, it'd simplify accounting if the theatre just closed down. but then...
1019747;1424031989;hegemoOn;create company hiring eastern europe former military guy
1019748;1424031996;hegemoOn;for almostnithung
1019749;1424032000;decimation;mircea_popescu: yeah, if individuals had direct control of their wealth, accounting would get quite complex
1019750;1424032001;mircea_popescu;hegemoOn but you understand there's something fundamental about the occupation that makes them servants to the club, right ?
1019751;1424032002;asciilifeform;sorta how medical practice 'could be simple' if pharmacy stocked just cyanide (wagner optional)
1019752;1424032017;mircea_popescu;just like whores are only allowed to work "on their own" in those situations where there's not enough food to go around.
1019753;1424032026;mircea_popescu;same tiems when the cattle's "turned loose"
1019754;1424032029;hegemoOn;and use those instead of freelancer
1019755;1424032058;hegemoOn;thhis is how they break the average cost of security operator
1019756;1424032078;hegemoOn;and even getting money back as far as they were paying for a service to a company they owns
1019757;1424032087;hegemoOn;exactly the same happened in computer land
1019758;1424032104;hegemoOn;in the 90 most computer guy were freelancer
1019759;1424032115;hegemoOn;and then bank/insurance create service company
1019760;1424032129;hegemoOn;which sells them back legion of low cost computer guy
1019761;1424032157;hegemoOn;breaking price by 5 or 10
1019762;1424032170;mircea_popescu;come to think about it, not a bad analogy.
1019763;1424032172;mircea_popescu;muscle, eh /
1019764;1424032209;hegemoOn;and the golden era of computer guy was gone
1019765;1424032224;hegemoOn;here in france we compete with north african cheap profile
1019766;1424032234;asciilifeform;in the 90 most computer guy were freelancer << not in usa...
1019767;1424032239;hegemoOn;who tends to seduce more those service company
1019768;1424032266;decimation;in the usa, 'freelance computer guys' are treated by the tax authorities as tax cheats
1019769;1424032278;mircea_popescu;decimation for good reason.
1019770;1424032297;decimation;whereas real estate agents are not
1019771;1424032339;mircea_popescu;they pose no threat, because their capital can always be confiscated.
1019772;1424032342;asciilifeform;^ this fact became popularly known on account of the joe stack rampage
1019773;1424032370;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform i actually have a post scheduled (for like 6 months now) for day after tomorrow.
1019774;1424032414;asciilifeform;l0l!
1019775;1424032421;hegemoOn;i worked two years and half on transactionnal platform of Ingenico
1019776;1424032427;hegemoOn;paiement services
1019777;1424032444;hegemoOn;and i can really state that lowcost hiring leads to poor result
1019778;1424032464;mircea_popescu;doh!
1019779;1424032478;asciilifeform;'joe stack day' is 2/18, iirc, no ?
1019780;1424032508;hegemoOn;while hiring better profile would cost a little more on human ressource budget
1019781;1424032516;hegemoOn;but far less in production and exploitation
1019782;1424032528;fluffypony;classic big-company-red-tape
1019783;1424032531;hegemoOn;and communication towards customer which loose money
1019784;1424032588;hegemoOn;exemple of failure : transaction processor which doesn't listen to commit acknowledgment of the sql database
1019785;1424032596;hegemoOn;poor programming indeed
1019786;1424032610;hegemoOn;so plateform considers transaction is archived on database
1019787;1424032616;hegemoOn;when commit has failed
1019788;1424032643;hegemoOn;imagine this situation during 9hours of transaction history of main reteller in uk !
1019789;1424032652;hegemoOn;>63 millions euros lost
1019790;1424032689;hegemoOn;guess who worked to parse all the log and worked with bank to recoved the money from auth message during 3 weeks ?
1019791;1424032691;hegemoOn;me !
1019792;1424032774;hegemoOn;120 peoples working on this platform and only 10% skilled enough to understand what they do
1019793;1424032787;asciilifeform;hegemoOn: 'Seven dollars an hour, that's what Philip Johnson made / Driving a Wells Fargo truck, he handled millions every day / But you can't be much of a player on 56 bucks a day / Seven dollars an hour, that's what Philip Johnson made.'
1019794;1424032820;hegemoOn;asciilifeform: im not saying that i should earn more from that :)
1019795;1424032840;hegemoOn;im just saying that outsourcing/low cost profile lead to failure
1019796;1424032849;asciilifeform;( http://articles.latimes.com/1997/aug/10/news/ls-21004 << from song about famous outlaw, as seen here )
1019797;1424032850;assbot;Shades of D.B. Cooper - Los Angeles Times ... ( http://bit.ly/1AFAG5R )
1019798;1424032856;mircea_popescu;hegemoOn if you feel like writing out the details, qntra is looking for more "fiat sucks" failure stories.
1019799;1424032892;hegemoOn;mircea_popescu: facing harrasment from my former client ? :)
1019800;1424032911;mircea_popescu;yes.
1019801;1424032915;hegemoOn;but in a more general level i can explain why it sucks
1019802;1424032926;mircea_popescu;if you don't hurt the things you don't like, you're not really a man.
1019803;1424032928;hegemoOn;on protocol level and transaction life
1019804;1424032968;hegemoOn;and bitcoin will face the same trouble when going to retail world
1019805;1424033016;mircea_popescu;gavincoin will, because gavincoin is fundamentally predicated on the broken proposition of adjusting to the world.
1019806;1424033032;mircea_popescu;bitcoin will be fine. there will be carnage in its wake, but that in itself is a positive outcome.
1019807;1424033058;hegemoOn;i agree about the natural selection process
1019808;1424033192;mircea_popescu;to quote rms, "To any NSA and FBI agents reading my email: please consider whether defending the US Constitution against all enemies, foreign or domestic, requires you to follow Snowden's example."
1019809;1424033207;mircea_popescu;except it's not about the fucktard museum that's the nsa, nor about the long dead us generally.
1019810;1424033240;mircea_popescu;it's about plainest morals : please consider if your duty to yourself, as a free man worth two shits doesn't require you to publish all the shit you know.
1019811;1424033258;mircea_popescu;why exactly is the state and its corporations allowed any protection ? worst thing to aid and abet.
1019812;1424033288;hegemoOn;because money
1019813;1424033292;hegemoOn;bunch of money
1019814;1424033297;asciilifeform;!b 6
1019815;1424033297;assbot;Last 6 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/1F7314E.txt )
1019816;1424033357;mircea_popescu;yeah. as fiat becomes worth less and less in actual money, that problem will slowly melt.
1019817;1424033363;mircea_popescu;except, names are made early, not late.
1019818;1424033421;hegemoOn;:)
1019819;1424033500;asciilifeform;it's not about the fucktard museum that's the nsa << reminds me, one of these days i gotta pay a visit to... their museum
1019820;1424033515;asciilifeform;knew about it for a decade, but somehow can't bring myself to set foot there
1019821;1424033680;chetty;asciilifeform, get your shots uptodate first, its probably catching
1019822;1424033689;asciilifeform;https://plus.google.com/105419788139557178964/about?hl=en&gl=us << mega-lol
1019823;1424033691;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1AFDjEY )
1019824;1424033741;asciilifeform;'4.1 stars! best gassing, will come again'
1019825;1424033903;asciilifeform;https://plus.google.com/116440706124488410279/about?hl=en&gl=us << only 3 stars
1019826;1424033905;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1AFDT5x )
1019827;1424033930;asciilifeform;'The parking lots are very large and crowded. It is hard to find a spot, even working the night shift. I think Obama should invest in a parking garage. It is a bit creepy inside the buildings, too.'
1019828;1424034101;asciilifeform;'If you're invited to the NSA, pay careful attention to the instructions given. If you do not, you will be a big delay to others. If you're not invited to the NSA, please do not go, unless you want to see the Cryptology museum, which is a fascinating place.'
1019829;1424034152;*;asciilifeform had a colleague once who -did- go, by making wrong turn in traffic, and -did- end up 'a big delay to others' as he was frog-marched into a guardpost and searched
1019830;1424034404;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 100263 @ 0.00039975 = 40.0801 BTC [+]
1019831;1424034532;chetty;nothing all that creepy about it, except maybe a certain lack of windows :P
1019832;1424034646;asciilifeform;chetty: there is a specific, highly-ritualized architectural style:
1019833;1424034648;asciilifeform;chetty: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=23-08-2014#806471
1019834;1424034648;assbot;Logged on 23-08-2014 17:21:36; asciilifeform: (what style? gigantic plate-glass window walls that never let through office light - they're painted black on the inside; the seemingly-mandatory wrought-iron fence, with steel cable trusses - nominally against terrorist trucks (TM); archaically-massive satellite antennae; a few other features broadly known to anyone who looks with any regularity.)
1019835;1424035315;oglafbot;http://oglaf.com/yoke/
1019836;1424035316;assbot;The Yoke ... ( http://bit.ly/1AFIh4l )
1019837;1424035621;mircea_popescu;oglafbot is best bot
1019838;1424035657;mircea_popescu;cuntbot: http://40.media.tumblr.com/73f15bcf2c808c89ef0fa4abe79da911/tumblr_namf6auIhZ1r6y441o1_1280.jpg
1019839;1424035659;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1AFJsRo )
1019840;1424035760;asciilifeform;^ lol!
1019841;1424035784;BingoBoingo;http://news.slashdot.org/story/15/02/15/1959209/removing-libsystemd0-from-a-live-running-debian-system
1019842;1424035785;assbot;Removing Libsystemd0 From a Live-running Debian System - Slashdot ... ( http://bit.ly/1L1IySr )
1019843;1424035936;asciilifeform;(linked) http://linux.slashdot.org/story/15/01/14/2030259/systemd-gains-new-networking-features << lol, somehow missed this
1019844;1424035938;assbot;SystemD Gains New Networking Features - Slashdot ... ( http://bit.ly/1L1J1np )
1019845;1424035945;asciilifeform;^ pries open fw ports
1019846;1424036072;asciilifeform;incidentally, folks recommending freebsd as an escape should remember that it's been colonized: gcc is no longer installed by default there, nor are system bins built with it
1019847;1424036119;asciilifeform;^ and this is relatively old news, http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=MTEwMjI
1019848;1424036123;assbot;FreeBSD 10 To Use Clang Compiler, Deprecate GCC - Phoronix ... ( http://bit.ly/1L1JDcW )
1019849;1424036157;asciilifeform;while we're at it,
1019850;1424036158;asciilifeform;http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=RMS-Emacs-Gud-LLVM
1019851;1424036161;assbot;RMS Feels There's "A Systematic Effort To Attack GNU Packages" - Phoronix ... ( http://bit.ly/1L1JIxb )
1019852;1424036200;asciilifeform;'Other Emacs stakeholders responded with confusion how this could be "a systematic effort to attack GNU packages" and also raised points on how Emacs has support for Microsoft Windows and OS X but wouldn't consider a basic patch for enabling the LLDB debugger to be used. Stallman followed up to say, "These are not similar cases. Neither Windows nor MacOS was intended to push major GNU packages out of use. What I see here appea
1019853;1424036200;asciilifeform;rs possibly to be exactly that. Whether that is the case is what I want to find out."'
1019854;1424036308;asciilifeform;and, lastly,
1019855;1424036309;asciilifeform;http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=Intel-Boot-Guard-Kills-Coreboot
1019856;1424036311;assbot;Why You Don't See Coreboot Supported By Many Modern Intel Systems - Phoronix ... ( http://bit.ly/1AFLNM4 )
1019857;1424036326;asciilifeform;^ the 'won't boot anything not signed by key in antifuse rom' thing - finally arrived.
1019858;1424036330;asciilifeform;to x86 pc.
1019859;1424036341;asciilifeform;(sop on game consoles for decade+)
1019860;1424036443;asciilifeform;(those who believe that it does not matter what is in the bios so long as you can boot your favourite unix, are mistaken. not only can bios diddle your drives pre-boot, but it isn't even necessary - routines like smm handler run continuously, outside of os)
1019861;1424036478;asciilifeform;^ basic kindergarten facts, at this point, i will not bother to expound on them here
1019862;1424036622;asciilifeform;'but Richard is seemingly frightened about the compiler competition from LLVM that is out under a permissive free software license.' << fud artist lies through his teeth. rms is not 'frightened of competition under permissive licenses', but is pointing out that organized attack by shitgnomes flying (as always) flags of convenience, is under way.
1019863;1424037488;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform the bullshit bios problem is actually quite serious
1019864;1424037499;mircea_popescu;for now we can still run old boards. but that won't last forever.
1019865;1424037551;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: so far problem only exists in winblows/apple world, but it creeps onward - microshit in particular requires it as a condition of doing business with manufacturer
1019866;1424037571;mircea_popescu;yup
1019867;1424037608;mircea_popescu;course, the measure will backfire,
1019868;1424037622;mircea_popescu;as in, i'll run only stuff signed by... me.
1019869;1424037643;asciilifeform;optimistic.
1019870;1424037645;mircea_popescu;in a sense, so far they're really cutting out our rouad for us.
1019871;1424037653;asciilifeform;'i don't care if they're stoking up the ovens, they'll go in'
1019872;1424037661;mircea_popescu;well no, the idea is, most of the state effort consists of effort that really helps the republic.
1019873;1424037669;mircea_popescu;hijack all the ships.
1019874;1424037682;asciilifeform;wake me up when a serious usg key leaks.
1019875;1424037725;mircea_popescu;why would a key have to leak ?
1019876;1424037728;mircea_popescu;just use your own antifuse.
1019877;1424037737;asciilifeform;own antifuse ?!
1019878;1424037782;asciilifeform;http://www.design-reuse.com/news_img/20031024_actel4.gif << antifuse
1019879;1424037782;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1L1P5w8 )
1019880;1424037785;mircea_popescu;in other news, http://36.media.tumblr.com/30db452b7a40c2ae6fe3ce321f95d89d/tumblr_na11k1mBSA1tv6w3wo1_1280.jpg
1019881;1424037787;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1L1P8s3 )
1019882;1424037788;asciilifeform;aka otp rom
1019883;1424037803;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform so ?
1019884;1424037807;mircea_popescu;it can be made, right ?
1019885;1424037826;asciilifeform;point being that millions of boxes are permanent thralls to usg until key gets out.
1019886;1424037850;mircea_popescu;...
1019887;1424037866;mircea_popescu;the point is not saving some vague and uninteresting group.
1019888;1424037877;mircea_popescu;let them save themselves.
1019889;1424037894;asciilifeform;interestingly, intel and microshit have been salivating for a decaee+ over the concept of a cpu that runs not merely mandatorily-signed but encrypted code (to internal key)
1019890;1424037902;asciilifeform;but for practical reasons this has not yet been achieved
1019891;1424037905;mircea_popescu;fuck, ten billion boxes are pretty much permanent thralls to the first taker on the grounds that there's more holes than fixes.
1019892;1424037968;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: see the problem from the perspective in which it actually -is- a problem: not that a billion people own computer that is not a computer (nowhere is it written that we have to care about this) but in the elementary lack of a practical alternative.
1019893;1424037978;mircea_popescu;so far.
1019894;1424037978;asciilifeform;as in, there is not a 'free world' si fab.
1019895;1424038007;mircea_popescu;kinda what i said : gotta see to this eventually.
1019896;1424038046;mircea_popescu;"I'm an 18 year old currently in my first semester of college at UNM (Studying medicine). All my life I've been a very good girl, pro-feminist all my life, I was in the girl scouts growing up, I got straight As, I don't drink or go out to parties. I found your tumblr the other week and at first I was offended, I don't see how any woman would subject herself to such treatment. I've visited your page multiple times since
1019897;1424038046;mircea_popescu; then and I'm curious how you would go about breaking me out of my shell?"
1019898;1424038047;mircea_popescu;lawl.
1019899;1424038097;midnightmagic;it's a trap, get an ax
1019900;1424038121;mircea_popescu;lol.
1019901;1424038137;hanbot;please tell me the response is "i'd put on my robe and wizard hat"
1019902;1424038144;mircea_popescu;i mostly quoted it for the sudden turn towards "breaking out of shells"
1019903;1424038159;mircea_popescu;i wonder if the chick's clever enough to have done this deliberately.
1019904;1424038613;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 5000 @ 0.00076456 = 3.8228 BTC [+] {15} 
1019905;1424038682;thestringpuller;so it's taken me 3 days to get 0.5.3.1 up to 190k blocks...
1019906;1424038706;thestringpuller;why again should I be convinced this computer will be "okay" running larger blocks when it can barely keep up as is...
1019907;1424038713;asciilifeform;thestringpuller: the idiot crashy one ('classic', with memleak) or the one with questionable patch ('orphanage burner') ?
1019908;1424038725;thestringpuller;classic with memleak
1019909;1424038730;thestringpuller;i keep having to kill and restart
1019910;1424038734;thestringpuller;but its at least working
1019911;1424038762;asciilifeform;thestringpuller: also remember that the 'magic' of gavincoin was that it will work on existing hw, so long as 'everybody agrees' to throw away blockchain history and surrender
1019912;1424038762;thestringpuller;you told me not to patch in orphanage burner yet.
1019913;1424038770;asciilifeform;thestringpuller: that's correct
1019914;1424038793;asciilifeform;thestringpuller: in general, i'm opposed to patching in gavinisms of any description
1019915;1424038820;thestringpuller;oh and block propagation is going to be "0" with bloom filters or something
1019916;1424038821;asciilifeform;especially ones i fished out of the sewers in a hurry, for purposes of experiment.
1019917;1424038840;thestringpuller;^- you make yourself sound like Dr. Frankenstein sometimes.
1019918;1424038855;asciilifeform;it's a 'frankensteinian' project by nature, whatcanido.
1019919;1424038858;thestringpuller;I wonder what discoveries you've made we don't know about <.<;;
1019920;1424038875;thestringpuller;the splitting image of Dr. Moreau! :D
1019921;1424038920;asciilifeform;less said about these, better sleep at night, l0l
1019922;1424038920;thestringpuller;moar frankensteinian would be ripping out Boost completely, not that that is feasible (but neither was reanimating the dead)
1019923;1424038949;asciilifeform;thestringpuller: if you're gonna go to that level of mutilation, may as well abandon the pedigreed-descent-from-0.5.3 thing and go for rewrite
1019924;1424038985;thestringpuller;i kno rite? funny how these kidz praise satoshi's "code know-how" yet all these things...
1019925;1424039002;asciilifeform;you can't really pull out 'boost' and retain the naked-eye-plus-patch-util sense of 'this is visibly bitcoind pre-$10-per but with minor changes' thing
1019926;1424039027;thestringpuller;we should just rewrite it in assembly.
1019927;1424039047;asciilifeform;'we'
1019928;1424039064;asciilifeform;by popular demand (everybody who's ragging on 'boost') a musical interlude:
1019929;1424039068;mircea_popescu;<asciilifeform> thestringpuller: also remember that the 'magic' of gavincoin was that it will work on existing hw, so long as 'everybody agrees' to throw away blockchain history and surrender << this, especially.
1019930;1424039085;asciilifeform;serious work in cpp is quite impossible without something functionally much like 'boost'.
1019931;1424039090;asciilifeform;was -never- possible
1019932;1424039090;mircea_popescu;"make bitcoin accessible to everyone by saying it's really a bottle of tide, and letting procter and gamble manufacture it"
1019933;1424039095;asciilifeform;for so long as that abortion of a language existed.
1019934;1424039105;asciilifeform;talk to a game dev who was active in the '90s
1019935;1424039118;thestringpuller;^- Oh yea
1019936;1424039118;asciilifeform;he'll show you, perhaps, his outfit's homegrown warty version of 'boost'
1019937;1424039126;thestringpuller;^- Oh yea x2
1019938;1424039128;mircea_popescu;heh
1019939;1424039140;asciilifeform;my brother, for example, had one
1019940;1424039142;thestringpuller;Look at HL Goldsrc as prime example.
1019941;1424039147;asciilifeform;(was game dev in that period)
1019942;1424039162;thestringpuller;or even UDK from that era
1019943;1424039169;asciilifeform;some were cleaned up and 'productized'
1019944;1424039180;asciilifeform;cannot speak for the quality, but the demand - was there
1019945;1424039182;asciilifeform;is still there.
1019946;1424039194;asciilifeform;the language 'naked' is entirely unusable
1019947;1424039201;asciilifeform;for anything but trivial 'homework'
1019948;1424039214;thestringpuller;this is why Naughty Dog builds the object layer in LISP
1019949;1424039226;thestringpuller;http://c2.com/cgi/wiki?LispInJakAndDaxter << for reference
1019950;1424039240;asciilifeform;thestringpuller: http://www.loper-os.org/?p=849
1019951;1424039242;assbot;Loper OS » The curious incident of the Lisp in the night-time ... ( http://bit.ly/1De9XPN )
1019952;1424039316;asciilifeform;also note that that outfit, like many others (yes, it isn't in 'nyt', but still existed) wrote a miniature 'college' lisp-flavoured scripting language inside their normal runtime
1019953;1424039352;asciilifeform;which is entirely not the same thing as a product developed and shipped in a standardized, adult common lisp system (what naggum earned his bread with)
1019954;1424039361;asciilifeform;yet for some odd reason these activities are lumped in together
1019955;1424039378;asciilifeform;i, for one, didn't fully grasp the difference until i heard that charlatan (baggett) speak
1019956;1424039393;thestringpuller;i see. i just found it amusing game developers would rather not write C++ at all
1019957;1424039397;asciilifeform;junkyard dogs, the lot of them, who found something valuable and stole a piece
1019958;1424039405;thestringpuller;the PS2's C++ interface was...not fun...
1019959;1424039413;asciilifeform;like the barbarians who carved up roman mosaics for sword hilt 'bling'
1019960;1424039417;asciilifeform;you can see the results in museum
1019961;1424039444;thestringpuller;sound similar to using microscope as hammer
1019962;1424039449;thestringpuller;maybe different side of coin
1019963;1424039461;asciilifeform;nice heavy electron microscope
1019964;1424039464;asciilifeform;makes great drop-hammer
1019965;1424039480;thestringpuller;"this ruins the microscope"
1019966;1424039510;asciilifeform;more valuable than any particular microscope, even the rarest, is the -idea- of a microscope
1019967;1424039535;asciilifeform;it takes more than one 'blacksmith' and his 'hammers' to ruin that, but eventually - yes, ruined.
1019968;1424039575;asciilifeform;but to go back to the basic point of the musical interlude,
1019969;1424039629;thestringpuller;asciilifeform: this article is gold. Dave Baggett elaborated more in the comments.
1019970;1424039637;asciilifeform;1) the idea of tearing out 'boost' while retaining the 'satoshi cleanup' concept of therealbitcoin project - is a total impossibility
1019971;1424039668;asciilifeform;2) tearing out 'boost' while keeping the project in cpp will turn it into an unreadable morass of crud that makes the existing turd look like the finest sausage
1019972;1424039709;asciilifeform;(how? let's start with those iterations, every single one of which will suddenly need a nonsense variable; all the things that will have to be declared for the occasion, that presently are genericized; etc)
1019973;1424039780;thestringpuller;like a dyslexic spider weaving a web.
1019974;1424039790;asciilifeform;thestringpuller: background for that article: herr baggett came to my town once, and gave a public talk where he pitched a militantly idiotic 'startup' (nothing whatsoever to do with games, a weird proprietary, closed-source email client with 'new, exciting, unprecedented' spam filter that is a poor clone of 1990s state of the art)
1019975;1424039814;asciilifeform;i was utterly floored by the sheer imbecility
1019976;1424039819;asciilifeform;and apparent sincerity
1019977;1424039924;asciilifeform;there were two logical scenarios that formed in my head, 1) he did the things he was credited for, and somebody then came and scooped out his brain 2) he didn't, took credit after someone else did, was the kind of fellow selected for this next stage of meritwash
1019978;1424039959;asciilifeform;i must point out that i have no idea whether 1 or 2
1019979;1424039971;asciilifeform;but was unable to come up with any plausible 3 whatsoever.
1019980;1424039993;thestringpuller;game developers are kind of like rappers, after a certain age their "hip-ness" runs out.
1019981;1424039998;thestringpuller;see Coolio
1019982;1424040040;asciilifeform;no idea if this has anything to do with age, or the fact that games industry died.
1019983;1424040077;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 36263 @ 0.00040405 = 14.6521 BTC [+] {2} 
1019984;1424040095;thestringpuller;the indie developers killed it
1019985;1424040122;asciilifeform;which 'indie developers'
1019986;1424040127;asciilifeform;the ones sharecropping under apple?
1019987;1424040130;asciilifeform;or valve?
1019988;1424040131;thestringpuller;At least Phil Fish isn't being merit washed.
1019989;1424040137;thestringpuller;The latter.
1019990;1424040174;thestringpuller;indie dev's line up to suck Gabe's cock even if he can't see it.
1019991;1424040202;asciilifeform;https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B9EKh_lIEAE1O8u.jpg << punkman found this a while ago
1019992;1424040203;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1DedgXe )
1019993;1424040203;thestringpuller;also notice how carmack is slave to Zuckerberg now.
1019994;1424040209;asciilifeform;^ how apple meritwash works
1019995;1424040233;thestringpuller;that's some clockwork orange shit right there
1019996;1424040326;asciilifeform;that, if it isn't obvious, is a 'review farm.'
1019997;1424040395;asciilifeform;and something like this is quite inevitable when a product degenerates to that level of necessary attention span
1019998;1424040422;thestringpuller;this is why freemium games are the work of the canadian devil
1019999;1424040432;asciilifeform;where the practical distinction between a satisfied user and a spammer who wrote a review in exchange for a bowl of rice and a day's pass from the sex slave farm, is purely academic
1020000;1424040485;thestringpuller;asciilifeform: ah and this is probably why the whole GamerGate thing occurred last August.
1020001;1424040514;*;asciilifeform confesses that he could not be bothered to unravel the how-and-why behind that particular wankage
1020002;1424040524;asciilifeform;it was utterly incomprehensible to the uninitiated.
1020003;1424040548;thestringpuller;the uproar is what is interesting. uproar over people who don't matter.
1020004;1424040679;punkman;^ my thoughts: "who the fuck are these people and why is anyone writing about their sex life"
1020005;1424040747;thestringpuller;punkman: exactly!
1020006;1424040757;asciilifeform;^
1020007;1424041013;asciilifeform;in other news,
1020008;1424041026;asciilifeform;'gnat' appears to be entirely unbuildable on gentoo
1020009;1424041031;asciilifeform;having succumbed to shitgnomism years ago.
1020010;1424041196;asciilifeform;(and before anyone asks, no, it is not a simple matter to build it from source like any other thing. needs an existing gcc configured to play ball in order to bootstrap itself)
1020011;1424041510;punkman;asciilifeform: do you have any machines running coreboot?
1020012;1424041521;asciilifeform;punkman: as a matter of fact, i do
1020013;1424041537;asciilifeform;punkman: but none of them feature 'consumer pc' hardware
1020014;1424041557;punkman;I grabbed a couple of T60s to give it a go
1020015;1424041619;asciilifeform;wintel answered the threat posed by 'coreboot' et al by stuffing shitgnomism straight into the silicon (southbridge, and soon cpu proper)
1020016;1424041636;jurov;http://packages.gentoo.org/package/dev-lang/gnat-gpl << this?
1020017;1424041641;assbot;        Gentoo Packages /package/dev-lang/gnat-gpl       ... ( http://bit.ly/179pd2B )
1020018;1424041647;asciilifeform;sanity is a losing battle on x86.
1020019;1424041651;asciilifeform;jurov: it
1020020;1424041667;asciilifeform;or actually, no
1020021;1424041670;asciilifeform;gnat-gcc
1020022;1424042135;[]bot;Bet placed: 2.5 BTC for No on "BTC to top $450 before 31st Mar" http://bitbet.us/bet/1113/ Odds: 12(Y):88(N) by coin, 12(Y):88(N) by weight. Total bet: 9.7053 BTC. Current weight: 65,203.
1020023;1424042136;asciilifeform;jurov: what's more, it dies without any kind of informative message at all.
1020024;1424042137;[]bot;Bet placed: 5 BTC for No on "Light Sweet Crude Oil (WTI) to drop under $30 before April" http://bitbet.us/bet/1112/ Odds: 7(Y):93(N) by coin, 9(Y):91(N) by weight. Total bet: 14.99351 BTC. Current weight: 61,431.
1020025;1424042140;[]bot;Bet placed: 2 BTC for No on "Bitcoin to drop under $100 before April" http://bitbet.us/bet/1108/ Odds: 12(Y):88(N) by coin, 14(Y):86(N) by weight. Total bet: 15.93457636 BTC. Current weight: 52,366.
1020026;1424042468;asciilifeform;jurov: http://www.loper-os.org/pub/gnat.txt (too big for pastebin)
1020027;1424042472;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/179quXs )
1020028;1424042514;asciilifeform;'make[5]: *** [unwind-dw2.o] Error 1' seems to be the boojum
1020029;1424042639;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 46500 @ 0.00039975 = 18.5884 BTC [-]
1020030;1424042983;thestringpuller;asciilifeform: random question. If someone paid for you to take Buterin's C4 (Certified Bitcoin Professional) exam, would you do it?
1020031;1424043008;asciilifeform;thestringpuller: what'd be the point of this exercise ?
1020032;1424043018;thestringpuller;so qntra can report on the derpage?
1020033;1424043027;asciilifeform;re: gentoo: is it just me or did most of the ports mirrors die in the past 2 or so weeks ?
1020034;1424043031;asciilifeform;as in, gone ?
1020035;1424043059;asciilifeform;thestringpuller: it is unlikely that anyone would wish to pay what this costs.
1020036;1424043087;asciilifeform;thestringpuller: try one of the un/under-employed folks around here
1020037;1424043241;asciilifeform;https://cryptoconsortium.org/certifications/CBP << mega-lol
1020038;1424043242;assbot;Certified Bitcoin Professional (CBP) | CryptoCurrency Certification Consortium (C4) ... ( http://bit.ly/179rCu2 )
1020039;1424044250;jurov;thestringpuller why alf specifically?
1020040;1424044270;asciilifeform;^
1020041;1424044427;jurov;and how much?
1020042;1424044457;thestringpuller;cause he is guaranteed to pass it. i guess others too. but he was the first that came to mind.
1020043;1424044501;jurov;lol. as if one cannot fail and write about it?
1020044;1424044507;asciilifeform;thestringpuller was probably thinking of their other exam, re: internals of bitcoind, but iirc it is only available to the select few
1020045;1424044569;thestringpuller;my biggest hesitation is the coin goes directly into the waterfall i.e. hands of enemy
1020046;1424044616;thestringpuller;(Buterin is one of directos of C4)
1020047;1424044621;jurov;internals of bitcoind? like, the whip out the cane, point to line test?
1020048;1424044631;jurov;doubt even satoshi himself would pass
1020049;1424044865;jurov; "Duration: 2 years" (from the CBP link) how do i parse this?
1020050;1424044883;jurov;that's enough for master's degree :)
1020051;1424044984;jurov;aaaahh i saw "renewal fee" and it clicked.. apparently they plan to make bitcoin obsolete after 2 years?
1020052;1424045082;jurov;i think i can take it, if paid. hence, how much?
1020053;1424045445;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 119394 @ 0.0004044 = 48.2829 BTC [+]
1020054;1424045461;jurov;linux-unwind.h:138: error: field 'info' has incomplete type << asciilifeform haven't you missed this? (from gnat.txt)
1020055;1424045490;jurov;going off, laters!
1020056;1424045521;thestringpuller;jurov: .2xxx btc I'll pay it...for freedom of press and stuff.
1020057;1424045558;thestringpuller;cazalla: I guess we should discuss potential article from findings if this goes through.
1020058;1424045634;cazalla;thestringpuller, i just sat down then so need to catch up on logs etc
1020059;1424045678;cazalla;smashed my iphone in a burst of anger so.. no more apple products here (ipad already went out the window)
1020060;1424045736;asciilifeform;jurov: eagle eyes, ty
1020061;1424045747;asciilifeform;jurov: http://forge.ispras.ru/issues/4295 << interestingly, ancient issue, afaik never fixed.
1020062;1424045748;assbot;Bug #4295: Issue between aspectator and new glibc at different architectures - C Instrumentation Framework - Open-Source Projects ... ( http://bit.ly/1EeRsYG )
1020063;1424045755;cazalla;an utter absolute shit morning, sometimes it would be nice to be a shut in hermit with nobody with 10km
1020064;1424045806;asciilifeform;cazalla: for our edification, care to describe the burst of anger ?
1020065;1424045901;cazalla;asciilifeform, the why doesn't really matter.. lesson here is not to have 2fa on device you often have with you if prone to smashing things
1020066;1424045956;asciilifeform;iirc, mircea_popescu is also a 'smasher'
1020067;1424045984;*;asciilifeform wonders if he's the only fella here who has never rage-smashed a keyboard, pNohe, pNablet, ..., etc
1020068;1424046092;cazalla;asciilifeform, the sound of breaking glass is actually quite soothing
1020069;1424046481;*;danielpbarron yells at his iphone on a daily basis
1020070;1424046554;danielpbarron;will be the last "smart" phone i ever buy (also happens to have been the first)
1020071;1424046787;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 57100 @ 0.00040674 = 23.2249 BTC [+] {2} 
1020072;1424048014;ben_vulpes;<mircea_popescu> i carried it. << btcauditor when
1020073;1424048309;asciilifeform;https://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=536124
1020074;1424048312;assbot;Bug 536124 – dev-lang/gnat-gcc-4.4.7 - In file included from .../work/gcc-4.4.7/gcc/unwind-dw2.c:333: .../work/gcc-4.4.7/gcc/config/i386/linux-unwind.h:138: error: field ‘info’ has incomplete type ... ( http://bit.ly/1AsPiHj )
1020075;1424048314;asciilifeform;^ yes, apparently documented bug
1020076;1424048331;asciilifeform;^ message to all shitgnomes: somewhere, in a forest, a pine tree is growing
1020077;1424048349;asciilifeform;that will one day be cut down, at around two metre's height, and sharpened.
1020078;1424048371;asciilifeform;(the stump, that is)
1020079;1424048373;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 42609 @ 0.00040978 = 17.4603 BTC [+] {2} 
1020080;1424048413;asciilifeform;ever time you sit down and submit a patch to something-or-other, knowing that it might silently break proggys used by actual people,
1020081;1424048416;asciilifeform;think about that tree.
1020082;1424048433;asciilifeform;and the arse it was born to slide into.
1020083;1424048435;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16741 @ 0.00041322 = 6.9177 BTC [+]
1020084;1424048617;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19800 @ 0.00041322 = 8.1818 BTC [+]
1020085;1424048720;mircea_popescu;<ben_vulpes> <mircea_popescu> i carried it. << btcauditor when << i guess once Pierre_Rochard gets bored of new york ?
1020086;1424048738;BingoBoingo;<asciilifeform> ^ message to all shitgnomes: somewhere, in a forest, a pine tree is growing << Why pine?
1020087;1424048749;BingoBoingo;!up PeterL
1020088;1424048762;PeterL;hi BingoBoingo
1020089;1424048767;BingoBoingo;hi
1020090;1424048768;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: birch works too
1020091;1424048773;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: need the right thickness.
1020092;1424048790;asciilifeform;not many birches in gringolandia though
1020093;1424048810;thestringpuller;PeterL: is scoopbot okay?
1020094;1424048831;BingoBoingo;Birches out here. My concern though was perhaps a tree with decent Urushiol content like cashew.
1020095;1424048839;PeterL;doesn't look like it
1020096;1424048843;mircea_popescu;http://41.media.tumblr.com/0e66631d7cd8abd3ec022597794b13e5/tumblr_mkwp7sBFdK1s9tujho1_1280.jpg
1020097;1424048844;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1AsQMRT )
1020098;1424048874;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: that just looks like an ordinary day at the dentist's.
1020099;1424048879;mircea_popescu;mhm
1020100;1424048900;thestringpuller;Dentist puts cock in your mouth?
1020101;1424048900;PeterL;thestringpuller: It seems to be misbehaving since I added your blog?
1020102;1424048913;thestringpuller;its cause I use tumblr :(
1020103;1424048914;asciilifeform;thestringpuller: no cock in the photo
1020104;1424048930;thestringpuller;cock will be inserted at some point, that is the purpose of device no?
1020105;1424048944;thestringpuller;to keep mouth open despite insertion of cock
1020106;1424048949;asciilifeform;or drill
1020107;1424048955;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform: like the barbarians who carved up roman mosaics for sword hilt 'bling' << once upon a time, thinking this is particularly romanian, wrote a romanian article about it
1020108;1424048955;thestringpuller;~_~
1020109;1424048957;mircea_popescu;then i learned better.
1020110;1424048966;asciilifeform;srsly, i'm pretty sure i've had that very gag in
1020111;1424048978;asciilifeform;at the dentistinquisitioner's
1020112;1424048980;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform dja feel dirty yet ? :D
1020113;1424048983;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 37600 @ 0.00041322 = 15.5371 BTC [+]
1020114;1424048983;asciilifeform;l0l
1020115;1424049102;mircea_popescu;thestringpuller: the indie developers killed it << no, they didn't. what killed it was the complete inability of the new generation to do any sort of useful work WHATSOEVER
1020116;1424049105;mircea_popescu;even for their own amusement.
1020117;1424049114;mircea_popescu;people born in the 50s played rogue for fun
1020118;1424049142;mircea_popescu;people born in the 70s can scarcely cluck at the ipad screen without some sort of "CONGRATULATIONS!!1"
1020119;1424049167;asciilifeform;wai, where
1020120;1424049170;asciilifeform;80s - rogue
1020121;1424049173;thestringpuller;mircea_popescu: what's the difference?
1020122;1424049175;asciilifeform;90s - scarcely clutch
1020123;1424049190;mircea_popescu;* numbers might not be exact
1020124;1424049198;asciilifeform;70s - 'advent'
1020125;1424049204;asciilifeform;60s - solved gnarly integrals for phun
1020126;1424049226;thestringpuller;at least the 60s had better access to drugs?
1020127;1424049236;asciilifeform;thestringpuller so usa-centric
1020128;1424049270;thestringpuller;born 'an raised
1020129;1424049340;thestringpuller;asciilifeform mircea_popescu people still play nethack for fun :P
1020130;1424049365;asciilifeform;'nethack' and other 'roguelikes' (anyone recall 'angband' ?) are sorta timeless
1020131;1424049400;mircea_popescu;http://33.media.tumblr.com/7de75d4ebda90e2d168a79213340fe62/tumblr_n54dwd5MBJ1sr11rlo1_400.gif
1020132;1424049403;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1AsS9jD )
1020133;1424049424;mircea_popescu;^ marriage.
1020134;1424049450;asciilifeform;wat
1020135;1424049481;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform: and something like this is quite inevitable when a product degenerates to that level of necessary attention span << has nothing to do with the product, everything to do with the society.
1020136;1424049498;mircea_popescu;in a world made out of equal idiots who don't have gpg sigs, THAT is the only possible human activity.
1020137;1424049528;asciilifeform;^ the activity shown in the chinese photo, in particular, yes.
1020138;1424049534;asciilifeform;aka meatpuppetry.
1020139;1424049553;mircea_popescu;yea
1020140;1424049554;thestringpuller;there will always be mechanical turks
1020141;1424049563;asciilifeform;though, strictly speaking there are two activities (the other being that of the meatpuppeteer, of course)
1020142;1424049582;mircea_popescu;only for as long as the concept that "people can have ideas" and "tim swhatever knows hopw normal debates work"
1020143;1424049594;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform it is not as different as it seams.
1020144;1424049608;mircea_popescu;the difference between a goat and a goat herder is certainly not apparent to any passing lady of society.
1020145;1424049615;asciilifeform;in as much as he too would rather be elsewhere - aye
1020146;1424049627;BingoBoingo;https://blockchain.info/charts/avg-block-size?timespan=all&showDataPoints=false&daysAverageString=1&show_header=true&scale=0&address=
1020147;1424049630;assbot;Bitcoin Average Block Size ... ( http://bit.ly/1AsSJ0B )
1020148;1424049630;mircea_popescu;no. inasmuch as *elsewhere* can tell.
1020149;1424049875;mircea_popescu;http://40.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_mdlcllvbtU1rk1wwgo1_1280.jpg
1020150;1424049876;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1AsTnvg )
1020151;1424049889;mircea_popescu;thestringpuller: so qntra can report on the derpage? << reporting on the idiocy is doing it more service than it deserves in any perspective.
1020152;1424049911;mircea_popescu;simple strategic thinking : first, let them put some skin in the game, by for instance creating a "Bitcoin Consultancy"
1020153;1424049922;mircea_popescu;then, let them go into business, by for instance signing a contract to "save" Bitcoinica
1020154;1424049938;mircea_popescu;THEN ruin them utterly, so that everyone involved still, to this day, can't get work like Strateman.
1020155;1424049950;mircea_popescu;this is how you deal with aspirational muppets, not by reporting on their idiocy.
1020156;1424049982;mircea_popescu;jurov: doubt even satoshi himself would pass << why do you think he pulled a runner.
1020157;1424050008;PeterL;a fool who keeps his mouth shut is counted wise
1020158;1424050086;mircea_popescu;thestringpuller> my biggest hesitation is the << your hesitation is correct. at this stage qntra wouldn't report on that shit even if *they* paid.
1020159;1424050125;mats;http://cm.bell-labs.com/who/ken/trust.html
1020160;1424050126;assbot;ACM Classic: Reflections on Trusting Trust ... ( http://bit.ly/1AsTWVT )
1020161;1424050138;asciilifeform;mats: you just met this ?!!
1020162;1424050138;thestringpuller;mircea_popescu: THEN ruin them utterly, so that everyone involved still, to this day, can't get work like Strateman. << MagicalTux falls in this category. I don't think any of the DERP lists have management with WoT identities.
1020163;1424050153;thestringpuller;(F.DERP listings that is)
1020164;1424050155;mircea_popescu;<asciilifeform> iirc, mircea_popescu is also a 'smasher' << keyboards tho.
1020165;1424050166;mats;asciilifeform: yes :(
1020166;1424050256;mircea_popescu;thompson's self-diddling compiler is mentioned in the logs on a ~5 month period
1020167;1424050447;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 38800 @ 0.00040421 = 15.6833 BTC [-]
1020168;1424050893;mircea_popescu;http://38.media.tumblr.com/465104f1ba6c1647997207a2001cc153/tumblr_mxrij9HZZg1ra163eo5_r1_250.gif << the new systemlinux
1020169;1424050895;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1AsVOOa )
1020170;1424050896;mircea_popescu;!up tardstalker
1020171;1424051275;BingoBoingo;Rectum? Nearly kill e dum http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2954500/American-youth-seriously-gored-bull-Spain.html
1020172;1424051277;assbot;American Benjamin Miller gored by bull at Ciudad Rodrigo's Carnaval del Toro in Spain yesterday | Daily Mail Online ... ( http://bit.ly/1AsWOSu )
1020173;1424051423;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30550 @ 0.0003992 = 12.1956 BTC [-] {3} 
1020174;1424051592;BingoBoingo;http://www.clarionledger.com/story/news/2015/02/13/weisenberger-indicted-simple-assault/23349985/?from=global&sessionKey=&autologin=
1020175;1424051594;assbot;Madison Co. judge accused of racial abuse indicted ... ( http://bit.ly/1AsXI1r )
1020176;1424051661;asciilifeform;'The attorney for Charles Plumpp said Weisenberger arrested and jailed her client, who is African American, on the nonexistence charge of "roaming livestock."'
1020177;1424051663;asciilifeform;^ l0l!
1020178;1424051776;BingoBoingo;It's like one of those Russian skits on Usian racial policies in the 1950's
1020179;1424051800;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: or a judge that 'needed to have problems' for some reason unknown to us
1020180;1424051823;asciilifeform;how do you suppose they line up the pliant judges
1020181;1424051836;asciilifeform;by wishing really hard ?
1020182;1424051855;BingoBoingo;Most country governments tend to let the judges go a bit feral
1020183;1424051866;asciilifeform;when it sums to harmless.
1020184;1424051899;punkman;roaming livestock is no joke
1020185;1424051919;asciilifeform;put the bull back in his yoke
1020186;1424051950;cazalla;http://qntra.net/2015/02/bter-com-alleges-theft-of-7170-btc/
1020187;1424051951;assbot;Bter.com Alleges Theft Of 7170 BTC | Qntra.net ... ( http://bit.ly/1AsYATz )
1020188;1424052032;punkman;(spotted local news the other day about idiot that let his sheep wander all over some town, they rounded them up, will charge him 50eu per head to get them back. or to the butcher's if he doesn't claim them in 2 weeks)
1020189;1424052058;asciilifeform;punkman: 50eu per head << what are they worth, approximately ?
1020190;1424052069;punkman;more than that
1020191;1424052075;asciilifeform;presumably
1020192;1424052077;asciilifeform;but how much
1020193;1424052103;punkman;I suppose you can get a decent sheep for 150-200
1020194;1424052193;asciilifeform;qntra article << wai wat, there are/were actual companies registered in virgin islands? not merely mail boxes for sp4mz0rz ?
1020195;1424052219;punkman;wrong, actually more like 110-120 for 1 year old sheep in local classifieds
1020196;1424052238;BingoBoingo;https://encyclopediadramatica.se/Muhammad_Sex_Simulator_2015
1020197;1424052240;assbot;Muhammad Sex Simulator 2015 - Encyclopedia Dramatica ... ( http://bit.ly/1AsZmjE )
1020198;1424052296;mircea_popescu;<asciilifeform> how do you suppose they line up the pliant judges << good point this.
1020199;1424052362;mircea_popescu;cazalla lmao they had 7k btc like roger ver has what to pay the gas bill with.
1020200;1424052548;asciilifeform;his gas bill will be complimentary of usg
1020201;1424052556;asciilifeform;or if kitchen gas - then yes
1020202;1424052565;BingoBoingo;http://www.bnd.com/2015/02/13/3661065/judge-rejects-600-pound-mans-request.html#storylink=omni_popular#wgt=pop << Javascript off to circumvent paywall
1020203;1424052567;assbot;Metro-east news from Belleville, IL | Belleville News-Democrat ... ( http://bit.ly/1At0hAB )
1020204;1424052594;mircea_popescu;lmao js paywall.
1020205;1424052599;mircea_popescu;the layers of idiocy srsly.
1020206;1424052626;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: i expected the 'request' to be for hanging rather than electric chair, or the like
1020207;1424052637;asciilifeform;(when else does fat of the prisoner play a part)
1020208;1424052682;BingoBoingo;tits for the one's who've been in there a while to play with?
1020209;1424052705;asciilifeform;unrelated, gnat-gcc-4.6.4 does in fact build.
1020210;1424052754;mircea_popescu;http://trilema.com/2012/ossessione/ << if anyone's looking for a good 40s film.
1020211;1424052755;assbot;Ossessione pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.  ... ( http://bit.ly/1At0JyK )
1020212;1424052849;BingoBoingo;other news on the Illinois collapse http://thesouthern.com/ap/state/state-owes-some-illinois-state-police-troopers-each/article_bc848ee1-a58e-5071-85bf-4ed487f19f68.html
1020213;1424052850;assbot;State owes some Illinois State Police troopers $10,000 each : State ... ( http://bit.ly/1At118U )
1020214;1424053032;mircea_popescu;http://www.law.cornell.edu/supct/html/00-8452.ZD1.html << apparently consensus has been poorly understood by the supreme court no less, as early as 2002.
1020215;1424053033;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1zhlmbf )
1020216;1424053036;mircea_popescu;"if we like it it
1020217;1424053039;mircea_popescu;'s consensus!"
1020218;1424053078;mircea_popescu;"The Court pays lipservice to these precedents as it miraculously extracts a �national consensus� forbidding execution of the mentally retarded, ante, at 12, from the fact that 18 States�less than half (47%) of the 38 States that permit capital punishment (for whom the issue exists)�have very recently enacted legislation barring execution of the mentally retarded. Even that 47% figure is a distorted one. If one
1020219;1424053078;mircea_popescu; is to say, as the Court does today, that all executions of the mentally retarded are so morally repugnant as to violate our national �standards of decency,� surely the �consensus� it points to must be one that has set its righteous face against all such executions. Not 18 States, but only seven�18% of death penalty jurisdictions�have legislation of that scope."
1020220;1424053131;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24809 @ 0.00041073 = 10.1898 BTC [+] {2} 
1020221;1424053132;mircea_popescu;the libertard is a particularly insidious totalitarian, in that he doesn't even admit his outright enmity to liberalism.
1020222;1424053375;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 60781 @ 0.00041505 = 25.2272 BTC [+] {2} 
1020223;1424053741;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 39950 @ 0.00042132 = 16.8317 BTC [+]
1020224;1424054077;mircea_popescu;http://www.reddit.com/r/Buttcoin/comments/2uek9v/famous_bitcoin_shill_andreas_anontopolous_will/co7x5om <<< this is possibly the lulziest thing i saw all day.
1020225;1424054078;assbot;dgerard comments on Famous Bitcoin shill Andreas Anontopolous will attempt to convince the DPR jury into buying bitcoins. ... ( http://bit.ly/1At49S3 )
1020226;1424054099;mircea_popescu;so : the powerless have decided that the way to attack me is through... google bombing.
1020227;1424054128;mircea_popescu;but since they do not wish to o may gawd promote my stuff with their impotent brownian motion, they use some sort of google juice filter (no idea if it works).
1020228;1424054139;mircea_popescu;think about that for a minute : google bombing through a google separator.
1020229;1424054148;decimation;asciilifeform: that 'intel boot guard' is scary
1020230;1424054150;ben_vulpes;<thestringpuller> asciilifeform: random question. If someone paid for you to take Buterin's C4 (Certified Bitcoin Professional) exam, would you do it? << wait, CBP is a Buterin project?
1020231;1424054169;mircea_popescu;;;google don't go chasing butterfalls
1020232;1424054170;gribble;Chasing Waterfalls - VISITvortex: <http://www.visitvortex.com/magazine/summer2012-chasing-waterfalls>; Watkins Glen State Park - Watkins Glen, NY | Yelp: <http://www.yelp.com/biz/watkins-glen-state-park-watkins-glen>; Buttermilk Falls Campground (Shunk, PA) - Campground Reviews ...: <http://www.tripadvisor.com/Hotel_Review-g53680-d1645393-Reviews-Buttermilk_Falls_Campground- (1 more message)
1020233;1424054185;mircea_popescu;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8WEtxJ4-sh4
1020234;1424054187;assbot;TLC - Waterfalls - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1At4qVg )
1020235;1424054220;cazalla;lol trilema is do not link on buttcoin?
1020236;1424054263;cazalla;i guess that is no unexpected from a bunch of idiots who ban me from commenting in their subreddit but upvote qntra anyway
1020237;1424054371;BingoBoingo;Well reddit is all nofollow links anyways
1020238;1424054390;mircea_popescu;i don't think google actually honors those.
1020239;1424054402;mircea_popescu;it mines them for info, yes, but it doesn't actually give the users any power.
1020240;1424054405;BingoBoingo;Prolly depends who is implementing it.
1020241;1424054413;mircea_popescu;would be contrary to what they do generally, anyway.
1020242;1424054433;BingoBoingo;Google does't act generally anymore though
1020243;1424054444;BingoBoingo;That's why it is so broken
1020244;1424054462;mircea_popescu;https://freereiser.wordpress.com/2008/07/11/whoops/ << this IS pretty lulzy
1020245;1424054463;assbot;Whoops | Hans Reiser Is Innocent ... ( http://bit.ly/1zhmXhg )
1020246;1424054498;mircea_popescu;then again, i don't see any of the "Global Warming ? opps!" "QE ? oops!" etc posts from the libertards, so i guess a slightly cleaner toad is still the prettier princess.
1020247;1424054818;BingoBoingo;Hearn foundation client update: https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/2vveeq/using_mike_hearns_bitcoin_xt_instead_of_bitcoin/colk0t9
1020248;1424054820;assbot;LifeIsSoSweet comments on Using Mike Hearn's Bitcoin XT instead of Bitcoin Core as full node took just a couple of minutes. ... ( http://bit.ly/1At6koP )
1020249;1424055083;mircea_popescu;"Cantidad dormitorios: 2 / Cantidad ba�os: 3"
1020250;1424055107;mircea_popescu;i suppose this is Departamentos Diarrhea then ?
1020251;1424055132;mircea_popescu;no shits left behind!
1020252;1424055150;BingoBoingo;Nah, It's American style. Bathrooms are the new show of affluence
1020253;1424055191;mircea_popescu;and yet you savages still don't have cunt basins as a regular fixture, amirite ?
1020254;1424055210;BingoBoingo;Indeed, that would make each bathroom more expensive.
1020255;1424055213;mircea_popescu;s/"what could one possibily need THAT for"/"what is oral sex???"/
1020256;1424055271;BingoBoingo;The goal in contemporary American home architecture as espoused by HGTV is concealing from visitors the set of bathrooms used for actual bathroom functions
1020257;1424055572;decimation;mircea_popescu: it's now common in modern us 'tract' homes that the build has no air vent in the kitchen
1020258;1424055583;BingoBoingo;These are a people for whom hiring professional cleaners even annually is considered a luxury expense.
1020259;1424055591;mircea_popescu;what.
1020260;1424055601;mircea_popescu;so the 3rd is actually for guests ?!
1020261;1424055608;mircea_popescu;holy shit why, because stray pubic hairs ?
1020262;1424055621;decimation;the 'replacement' is a recirculating fan with a 'filter' that doesn't work at all
1020263;1424055622;mircea_popescu;because no one may be a maid so nobody ever cleans a bahtroom so htey're filthy ? why ?
1020264;1424055640;mircea_popescu;decimation but you can just open the window neh ?
1020265;1424055654;decimation;sure, when it's -10C
1020266;1424055658;*;mircea_popescu never liked kitchen air vents. they generally favour infestations.
1020267;1424055696;decimation;the reason they lack them is apparently because the builders could be liable for the kitchen fires that happen when nobody cleans out the air vent pipe
1020268;1424055718;mircea_popescu;uh.
1020269;1424055777;BingoBoingo;<mircea_popescu> holy shit why, because stray pubic hairs ? << That and lingering urine smells, because "Clean when I moved in" is good enough to not justify cleaning ever again for the more degenerate Pindos
1020270;1424055846;BingoBoingo;decimation: I find it lulzy when I encounter stovetop vents that pump air into the freezer
1020271;1424055860;decimation;BingoBoingo: eh?
1020272;1424055938;ben_vulpes;my stovetop vent vents into the apartment.
1020273;1424055940;BingoBoingo;decimation: a few places I've seen the kitchen stovetop vent fan pipes air in the the neighboring fridge's freezer compartment because... Who fucking knows anymore
1020274;1424055966;ben_vulpes;<mircea_popescu> and yet you savages still don't have cunt basins as a regular fixture, amirite ? << why's the shower so inadequate?
1020275;1424055976;BingoBoingo;https://images.encyclopediadramatica.se/2/2d/L4nlogo.png
1020276;1424055977;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1At9bxY )
1020277;1424056001;decimation;BingoBoingo: sounds like they were 'supposed' to install an outdoor vent, and ended up installing nothing
1020278;1424056092;BingoBoingo;decimation: Nah when you open the freezer while using the stove at a friend's place you get a definite fog of steaming out of the freezer. The only justification I can thing of is the hope freezing smells sequesters them?
1020279;1424056137;ben_vulpes;<asciilifeform> ben_vulpes: post your x86 auto.sh on the listserv ? << any reason to not run with -xeu?
1020280;1424056168;decimation;the real estate chumpatron in the us is finely tuned to prevent any actual person from being involv[\
1020281;1424056170;decimation;ed with
1020282;1424056183;decimation;supervising the design and construction
1020283;1424056184;BingoBoingo;AH, here's the thing the inspired feminine linux https://gitorious.org/c-plus-equality/c-plus-equality/source/cefcfb4276889bd3833c539225a9cdfd3eb16d33:
1020284;1424056185;assbot;./ in c-plus-equality/c-plus-equality (cefcfb4276889bd3833c539225a9cdfd3eb16d33) - Gitorious ... ( http://bit.ly/1zhp2d9 )
1020285;1424056209;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes << it's not, provided it specifically ISNT an usian shower
1020286;1424056219;mircea_popescu;but instead the civilised model with 3 meter's worth of flexible chord.
1020287;1424056257;decimation;those can be retrofit into us showers but are definitely 'out of fashion'
1020288;1424056273;[]bot;Bet placed: 2 BTC for No on "Gold to drop under $1000 before April 2015" http://bitbet.us/bet/1119/ Odds: 24(Y):76(N) by coin, 25(Y):75(N) by weight. Total bet: 5.0401 BTC. Current weight: 98,721.
1020289;1424056310;BingoBoingo;<decimation> those can be retrofit into us showers but are definitely 'out of fashion' << Plenty of them in Nursing homes and higher end hotels (i.e. the ones foreigners can afford)
1020290;1424056594;mircea_popescu;so how exactly is a woman supposed to wash standing while being rained upon ?
1020291;1424056597;mircea_popescu;bleach her snatch ?
1020292;1424056611;mircea_popescu;here's a hint : female genital washing mostly involved dilution not soap.
1020293;1424056621;mircea_popescu;it's self-soaping, the vagina.
1020294;1424056667;ben_vulpes;i've always been amused by the "bend over and get it wet" approach, but i'm a total noob.
1020295;1424056700;mircea_popescu;if you think about it for a second, you realise what a fucking scandal this is.
1020296;1424056709;mircea_popescu;"bend over and get it wet with stuff that washes off your arsehole"
1020297;1424056777;decimation;I like the 'shower with a hose' because it makes it simple to rinse off the shower after cleaning
1020298;1424056803;mircea_popescu;every usanistan obgyn that is not insane treats sporadic uti in healthy females the same way : "get a proper shower woman!"
1020299;1424056834;mircea_popescu;the rest prescribe windex or w/e the fuck.
1020300;1424056847;decimation;or they hand out antibiotics
1020301;1424056909;mircea_popescu;decimation i suspect you lived (as in, with women) long enough to know exactly what antibiotics do to their bits ?
1020302;1424056911;ben_vulpes;i am not accustomed to being responsible for female cleanliness!
1020303;1424056928;danielpbarron;there's this commercial they keep airing about a product for women who have "swagger" which is apparently code for "fat smelly vag"
1020304;1424056929;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes this is more like management than execution.
1020305;1424056975;decimation;mircea_popescu: they also ruin the gut fauna
1020306;1424056988;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: wai wat !?! where did you see a freezer with an air inlet hose, and can you swear that you were sober ?
1020307;1424056994;mircea_popescu;yes, but you can't just throw some yogurt into your cunt.
1020308;1424057007;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform honestly i just skipped over all that, it's too insane.
1020309;1424057023;asciilifeform;l0l
1020310;1424057035;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 61462 @ 0.00005056 = 3.1075 BTC [-] {16} 
1020311;1424057047;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: Rental house in southern Illinois. When there I am frequently drunk but been there enough times to verify this sober while cleaning.
1020312;1424057060;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo so what happens at the joints ?
1020313;1424057062;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: who sells this? and can you describe that it looked like ?
1020314;1424057065;asciilifeform;*what
1020315;1424057066;mircea_popescu;3 inches of styrofoam?
1020316;1424057100;decimation; throw some yogurt < yes you can actually: http://www.walgreens.com/store/c/rephresh-pro-b-probiotic-feminine-supplement-capsules/ID=prod6003401-product
1020317;1424057103;assbot;RepHresh Pro-B Probiotic Feminine Supplement Capsules | Walgreens ... ( http://bit.ly/1zhq5tp )
1020318;1424057130;mircea_popescu;o.O
1020319;1424057143;mircea_popescu;the land of the free, where stupidity creates a whole industry!
1020320;1424057156;mircea_popescu;i guess it must be good for the economy.
1020321;1424057162;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: Silver hose come out of wall goes into freezer. Snake sent throug hose strikes over stove fan.
1020322;1424057255;asciilifeform;some demented builder
1020323;1424057268;*;asciilifeform unable to think of, much less find on net, any possible justification for this
1020324;1424057272;decimation;that pretty much the dumbest thing I've ever heard
1020325;1424057296;decimation;for one thing, venting into a closed box means that there's no venting
1020326;1424057366;mircea_popescu;i still can't make sense of it.
1020327;1424057372;mircea_popescu;no condensation around the hose ?
1020328;1424057374;ben_vulpes;bb's trollin.
1020329;1424057462;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 63807 @ 0.00041437 = 26.4397 BTC [-]
1020330;1424057552;BingoBoingo;;;ticker
1020331;1424057553;gribble;Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 231.14, Best ask: 231.48, Bid-ask spread: 0.34000, Last trade: 231.48, 24 hour volume: 29169.04151104, 24 hour low: 227.75, 24 hour high: 267.92, 24 hour vwap: 246.426429178
1020332;1424057560;asciilifeform;re: gnat: 4.6.4 builds but actually attempting to use yields 'gnatgcc: fatal error: -fuse-linker-plugin, but liblto_plugin.so not found'
1020333;1424057564;asciilifeform;^ does anyone other than me care
1020334;1424057577;asciilifeform;if not about gnat, the overall state of decay.
1020335;1424057599;decimation;asciilifeform: what are you trying to compile that is written in ada?
1020336;1424057612;asciilifeform;'hello world'
1020337;1424057617;decimation;heh
1020338;1424057628;BingoBoingo;about decay yes. WFT "fix" was important enough to kill this
1020339;1424057659;asciilifeform;who wants to laugh, but there are precisely two programming languages in existence which are 1) standardized and 2) you can -actually write complete systems- using -the language described in the standard-
1020340;1424057671;asciilifeform;two and only two.
1020341;1424057685;mircea_popescu;ada and lisp ?
1020342;1424057690;asciilifeform;common lisp
1020343;1424057693;asciilifeform;and yes - ada.
1020344;1424057729;decimation;asciilifeform: even usg has abandoned ada
1020345;1424057740;decimation;but not because it failed to serve a purpose
1020346;1424057772;asciilifeform;(pet peeve of mine - 'lisp' (or worse, the '60s-ism LISP) is a hopelessly nonspecific term that encompasses languages that differ from one another far more even than 'algol' differs from 'c')
1020347;1424057806;asciilifeform;decimation: usg, interestingly, did not entirely abandon. but under pressure from microshit (primarily) relaxed the ancient laws
1020348;1424057864;asciilifeform;avionics, power plant controls, the like - systems whose failure reliably produces piles of corpses and messy 'pr' - are still very heavy on ada.
1020349;1424057880;BingoBoingo;Also sun when they were monied enough to bezzel up Java
1020350;1424057884;decimation;presumably they do not use gcc
1020351;1424057889;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 49000 @ 0.0004195 = 20.5555 BTC [+]
1020352;1424057891;asciilifeform;decimation: actually - they do
1020353;1424057896;decimation;heh
1020354;1424057915;asciilifeform;or rather, the ada component of gcc is based on the ancient usg-commissioned thing
1020355;1424057949;asciilifeform;an ancient usg
1020356;1424057959;decimation;I doubt they use x86 for such purposes either
1020357;1424057974;asciilifeform;thing is mainly architecture-agnostic, interestingly
1020358;1424057983;asciilifeform;(no big surprise to folks accustomed to gcc)
1020359;1424057996;BingoBoingo;^ most good things are architecture agnostic
1020360;1424058028;asciilifeform;i advise folks to learn enough ada to understand why something quite like it is necessary.
1020361;1424058050;asciilifeform;it is more or less the antithesis of the 'hip language'
1020362;1424058059;asciilifeform;in being tremendously unpleasant to work in
1020363;1424058062;decimation;the problem is that many of the promises of ada cannot be kept by the underlying hardware
1020364;1424058072;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 2450 @ 0.0007311 = 1.7912 BTC [-] {18} 
1020365;1424058096;asciilifeform;situation today is that most folks would not even notice a promise broken by hardware
1020366;1424058102;asciilifeform;because it can be reliably blamed on softs.
1020367;1424058124;asciilifeform;you more or less have to present a smoking cratered cpu to make others believe in 'it was the hardware'
1020368;1424058169;decimation;yeah that's a good point
1020369;1424058174;asciilifeform;there are interesting things to be learned from the ada approach, if you can pinch your nose and get past the 'ick factor'
1020370;1424058186;asciilifeform;for instance, all error messages refer to a page in the rationale book
1020371;1424058194;asciilifeform;(in traditional implementations)
1020372;1424058213;asciilifeform;buffer overflows, pointer fandango, etc. - are impossible
1020373;1424058222;asciilifeform;^ without requiring a bulky 'runtime'
1020374;1424058244;TheNewDeal;;;Later tell TomServo sorry I missed you last evening. Went out for some drinks and left my irc on. Will be back thursday evening
1020375;1424058245;gribble;The operation succeeded.
1020376;1424058337;asciilifeform;just what the doctor ordered for proggys whose behaviour (and error modes) must follow rigorous spec, or user - dies.
1020377;1424058445;thestringpuller;a canadian appears
1020378;1424058475;BingoBoingo;!up pete_dushenski
1020379;1424058492;decimation;asciilifeform: yeah there's much to like in this approach
1020380;1424058497;punkman;https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B971P9XCEAIKleT.jpg
1020381;1424058497;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1zhrDnk )
1020382;1424058653;mod6;asciilifeform: in your portotronic script, the line `make STATIC=1 -f makefile.unix bitcoind` ends up doing "-Wl,-Bstatic ... -Wl,-Bdynamic" when actually executed because of the bug in the makefile.
1020383;1424058667;decimation;asciilifeform: there's also ARINC standard 653 if you want an RTOS along with your ada
1020384;1424058676;asciilifeform;mod6: odd. because i ended up with proper static linking
1020385;1424058684;asciilifeform;mod6: did check the elf
1020386;1424058690;mod6;is it appropriate to do `make LMODE="static" LMODE2="static" -f makefile.unix bitcoind` instead?
1020387;1424058692;decimation;actually it would be interesting to know exactly what hardware is used in modern avionics
1020388;1424058773;mod6;asciilifeform: no, i didn't im currently rebuilding.
1020389;1424058792;mod6;sec...
1020390;1424058830;mod6;asciilifeform: ben_vulpes might have the same problem with his, is there something he should be specifically looking for in the elf?
1020391;1424058841;thestringpuller;jurov: PM me about how to go about renting aws instance.
1020392;1424058946;asciilifeform;$ armv5tel-softfloat-linux-gnueabi-readelf --dynamic bitcoind-armv5-bastard
1020393;1424058946;asciilifeform;Dynamic section at offset 0x3f3874 contains 32 entries:
1020394;1424058946;asciilifeform;  Tag        Type                         Name/Value
1020395;1424058946;asciilifeform; 0x00000001 (NEEDED)                     Shared library: [libdl.so.2]
1020396;1424058946;asciilifeform; 0x00000001 (NEEDED)                     Shared library: [libpthread.so.0]
1020397;1424058947;asciilifeform; 0x00000001 (NEEDED)                     Shared library: [libstdc++.so.6]
1020398;1424058949;asciilifeform; 0x00000001 (NEEDED)                     Shared library: [libm.so.6]
1020399;1424058951;asciilifeform; 0x00000001 (NEEDED)                     Shared library: [libgcc_s.so.1]
1020400;1424058955;asciilifeform; 0x00000001 (NEEDED)                     Shared library: [libc.so.6]
1020401;1424058957;asciilifeform; 0x00000001 (NEEDED)                     Shared library: [ld-linux.so.3]
1020402;1424058960;asciilifeform;[detail snipped]
1020403;1424058975;asciilifeform;so everything but the std libs is statically linked in
1020404;1424058981;mircea_popescu;http://trilema.com/2015/just-how-stupid-is-the-redditard-crowd/ << one of the lulziest things on trilema.
1020405;1424058982;assbot;Just how stupid is the Redditard crowd ? pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.  ... ( http://bit.ly/1zhshkC )
1020406;1424058989;punkman;asciilifeform: is "z" not used, noticed you removed it from portatronic
1020407;1424058993;mod6;i thought we didn't want to use shared libs? only static libs *.a's
1020408;1424059005;asciilifeform;punkman: zlib is only demanded by the retarded version of boost
1020409;1424059008;asciilifeform;forget after which date
1020410;1424059012;asciilifeform;it isn't used in bitcoin, no.
1020411;1424059050;asciilifeform;mod6: i overlooked the std lib stuff, was satisfied with not seeing openssl, boost, bdb. but you are quite right, this is not a proper static elf
1020412;1424059076;asciilifeform;see if you can produce one.
1020413;1424059083;mod6;ok. no problem. just trying to get it down to a spec
1020414;1424059098;mod6;workin on it :)
1020415;1424059192;decimation;asciilifeform: http://www.embedded.com/electronics-blogs/break-points/4025675/RTOS-dissatisfaction < "Safety-critical applications may need a certifiable OS. That's not one meant for an asylum, but one that can, for tolerable costs, be shown to conform to a standard like DO-178B. The costs are staggering; the certification process for one app I know of generated half a page of documentation per line of code."
1020416;1424059196;assbot;RTOS dissatisfaction | Embedded ... ( http://bit.ly/1zhswMP )
1020417;1424059216;asciilifeform;fortunately we are not interested in usg certificates.
1020418;1424059225;decimation;have you played with http://micrium.com/rtos/ucosiii/overview/
1020419;1424059226;assbot;µC/OS-III Overview | Micrium ... ( http://bit.ly/1zhsBjy )
1020420;1424059243;asciilifeform;but 'half a page of docs per line' is about what ought to be expected of 'therealbitcoin' when mature.
1020421;1424059266;asciilifeform;decimation: yes. and i can't say that i am interested in any future direction of 'c os' on 'c machines'
1020422;1424059268;asciilifeform;incl. it.
1020423;1424059294;decimation;heh yeah
1020424;1424059342;decimation;yeah, 'half a page of docs per line' is pretty much the same as your 'what does this line do?' test
1020425;1424059349;asciilifeform;not quite
1020426;1424059353;BingoBoingo;<decimation> have you played with http://micrium.com/rtos/ucosiii/overview/ << Wild guess here, but would bet at the right odds, FreeBSD userland on Minix like microkernel
1020427;1424059354;assbot;µC/OS-III Overview | Micrium ... ( http://bit.ly/1zhsBjy )
1020428;1424059361;asciilifeform;the test is, in my imagination, an exam given in real time, in the flesh
1020429;1424059367;asciilifeform;that is, reactive and unpredictable.
1020430;1424059376;mircea_popescu;^
1020431;1424059383;asciilifeform;like soviet exams
1020432;1424059384;mircea_popescu;someone's been reading on punishments.
1020433;1424059405;decimation;asciilifeform: yes, of course, but the student must learn from something
1020434;1424059410;asciilifeform;now that it came up, mircea_popescu did have a 'punishments' article that used something like that formula
1020435;1424059422;ben_vulpes;"disproportionate" is in there too.
1020436;1424059424;asciilifeform;iirc it was 'disproportionate, unpredictable,'
1020437;1424059427;asciilifeform;and something else
1020438;1424059443;mircea_popescu;ah, unrelated ?
1020439;1424059448;mircea_popescu;well, sanity neverthleess.
1020440;1424059460;asciilifeform;but yes related
1020441;1424059475;asciilifeform;an exam is something like a punishment (for what? for having not yet demonstrated mastery, of course)
1020442;1424059499;asciilifeform;not the same, but related, as a ladder is to a staircase
1020443;1424059503;mircea_popescu;http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/2014/06/08/inconvenience/#rf4-858
1020444;1424059504;assbot;Inconvenience | Bingo Blog ... ( http://bit.ly/1zhsUuI )
1020445;1424059509;mircea_popescu;apparently it only exists in romanian anyways
1020446;1424059545;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform impredictable, disproportionate and visible.
1020447;1424059550;asciilifeform;aha!
1020448;1424059551;asciilifeform;yes.
1020449;1424059597;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform which incidentally is the missing point in the supreme court discussion of punishment quoted as it happens earlier
1020450;1424059608;mircea_popescu;they fail to consider that punishing the mentally retarded is a signal FOR EVERYONE
1020451;1424059614;mircea_popescu;including the non-mentally retarded.
1020452;1424059633;mircea_popescu;it's quite ridoinculous what sort of compartimentalised nonsense they sprout. you'd flunk senior hs essays for this
1020453;1424059647;decimation;for this reason the us should bring back hangings and should televise them live
1020454;1424059661;*;asciilifeform highly recomments the historic tour 'seeing justice done' by p. friedland. one of the very few good works on the subject
1020455;1424059676;mircea_popescu;decimation i dunno if i descreibed it or not, but i think so : the prison zoo.
1020456;1424059679;asciilifeform;of the hows and whys of public executions in europe from 800 or so ad to present
1020457;1424059685;asciilifeform;!s zoolag
1020458;1424059686;assbot;10 results for 'zoolag' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=zoolag
1020459;1424059687;mircea_popescu;torture people behind the glass, force highschoolers to visit yearly.
1020460;1424059708;asciilifeform;yeah this was described
1020461;1424059712;asciilifeform;beautiful idea.
1020462;1424059727;decimation;I would prefer 'torture' to be 'hard labor, gulag style'
1020463;1424059742;decimation;but that's difficult to capture through a window
1020464;1424059757;ben_vulpes;https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/blob/v0.5.3/src/bitcoinrpc.cpp#L210 ... https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/blob/v0.7.2/src/rpcblockchain.cpp#L12
1020465;1424059759;assbot;bitcoin/bitcoinrpc.cpp at v0.5.3 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1zhtdWf )
1020466;1424059760;assbot;bitcoin/rpcblockchain.cpp at v0.7.2 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1zhtdWm )
1020467;1424059779;BingoBoingo;<decimation> I would prefer 'torture' to be 'hard labor, gulag style' << Quality punitive torture can leave souveniers
1020468;1424059804;decimation;for thieves, embezzlers, etc it gives a good yardstick
1020469;1424059815;decimation;'pay back yer debt in coal'
1020470;1424059817;mircea_popescu;sure. dig a yard of trench per dollar embezzled.
1020471;1424059846;mircea_popescu;it's healthy, too. most usians could immensely benefit from more exercise, especially if nude under the nude sky.
1020472;1424059856;ben_vulpes;wai wut? i thought bezzling was a good thing.
1020473;1424059864;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes so is digging.
1020474;1424059868;decimation;heh.  only if you are in on it
1020475;1424059870;ben_vulpes;end of times and all that fun stuff.
1020476;1424059960;punkman;I was making a case for "sentence all members of parliament to 30 years hard labor" yesterday at dinner, "but what of the innocent ones"
1020477;1424060000;TheNewDeal;20?
1020478;1424060120;ben_vulpes;ABSOLUTELY UNRELATED
1020479;1424060120;ben_vulpes;https://scroguard.com/
1020480;1424060122;assbot;Scroguard | Less Worry. More Fun. ... ( http://bit.ly/1zhtCrM )
1020481;1424060181;cazalla; mircea_popescu: yes, but you can't just throw some yogurt into your cunt. <<< but you can throw some yogurt out of it! http://www.inquisitr.com/1839518/phd-student-creates-yoghurt-using-her-vagina/
1020482;1424060182;assbot;PhD Student Creates Yogurt Using Her Vagina ... ( http://bit.ly/1zhtEjv )
1020483;1424060194;punkman;ben_vulpes: I don't get it
1020484;1424060196;asciilifeform;!s menstrual cookies
1020485;1424060197;assbot;0 results for 'menstrual cookies' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=menstrual+cookies
1020486;1424060230;asciilifeform;https://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic-p-7633136.html?sid=1e44c177a5b76671206084811186d30e << on earlier thread
1020487;1424060232;assbot;Gentoo Forums :: View topic - The state of Ada on Gentoo ... ( http://bit.ly/1zhtGIb )
1020488;1424060284;decimation;the 'forced exercise' idea reminds me of a passage in the 'rise and fall of the third reich': "The young in the Third Reich were growing up to have strong and healthy bodies, faith in the future of their country and in themselves and a sense of fellowship and camaraderie that shattered all class and economic and social barriers. I thought of that later, in the May days of 1940, when along the road between Aachen and Brussels one saw
1020489;1424060285;decimation;the contrast between the German soldiers, bronzed and clean-cut from a youth spent in the sunshine on an adequate diet, and the first British war prisoners, with their hollow chests, round shoulders, pasty complexions and bad teeth – tragic examples of the youth that England had neglected so irresponsibly in the years between the wars."
1020490;1424060947;BingoBoingo;!up julmac
1020491;1424061219;mircea_popescu;cazalla eww
1020492;1424061246;mircea_popescu;punkman lol the innocent ones. splendid.
1020493;1424061318;mircea_popescu;in other news : http://40.media.tumblr.com/a19733372c89135be1c4ce0aad534e2d/tumblr_n8w6mezL3y1tx1yzzo1_500.png
1020494;1424061320;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1zhuUDg )
1020495;1424061748;ben_vulpes;punkman: me neither.
1020496;1424061942;BingoBoingo;The original gmail http://web.archive.org/web/20001017105222/http://gmail.garfield.com/
1020497;1424061943;assbot;Set Your E-mail Free ... ( http://bit.ly/1AtnPp5 )
1020498;1424062025;mircea_popescu;dude where the fuck do anglos pull their data from. 0.4% BAC = LD50 ?!
1020499;1424062034;asciilifeform;wai wat ?!
1020500;1424062037;mircea_popescu;in the Romania i grew up, being drunk BEGAN at .3
1020501;1424062048;mircea_popescu;you need like... i dunno, 5% or so to fucking die of it.
1020502;1424062056;asciilifeform;is that value for man even
1020503;1424062062;asciilifeform;or field mouse
1020504;1424062069;mircea_popescu;i tyhink it may be for feminist.
1020505;1424062108;mircea_popescu;for the sake of argument, 0.4% means 32 ml of alcohol in the 8 liters of blood ? srsly ?
1020506;1424062149;mircea_popescu;so when i drink a liter of 52% moonshine over a night my liver takes out 50ml/hour while carefully keeping total blood alcohol under 30 least i die ?
1020507;1424062160;BingoBoingo;Not even breakfast
1020508;1424062208;mircea_popescu;http://thelastpsychiatrist.com/2007/02/just_how_many_drinks_a_day_is.html << reference.
1020509;1424062209;assbot;The Last Psychiatrist: Just How Many Drinks A Day Is Bad? ... ( http://bit.ly/1AtouGU )
1020510;1424062227;mircea_popescu;But legal driving limit is usually .08%.  And 50% of the time, .4% is death, so there's that.
1020511;1424062247;mircea_popescu;i wish to know these 100 people out of whom 50 died of .4% bac.
1020512;1424062277;TheNewDeal;offhand, does anyone remember the name of usagi's gold company?
1020513;1424062303;danielpbarron;heh i was just reading about that; it's at the start of the public logs
1020514;1424062303;asciilifeform;considering -who- typically dies of EtOH overdose, consider comorbidities.
1020515;1424062321;mircea_popescu;TheNewDeal sadly, no. lessee
1020516;1424062336;danielpbarron;and it was silver, not gold; unless he had another thing i'm not aware of
1020517;1424062344;decimation;asciilifeform: the 'RTEMS' os https://devel.rtems.org/wiki/TBR/UserManual/RTEMSAda < supports ada, is open source, but is written in C
1020518;1424062352;mircea_popescu;TheNewDeal he did silver. tu.silver
1020519;1424062358;decimation;it's based on some ancient usg code
1020520;1424062367;TheNewDeal;ahhh
1020521;1424062381;asciilifeform;decimation: written in c, isn't a unix - hence uninteresting
1020522;1424062390;TheNewDeal;there's a company in the us called "amagi metals" and for some reason I thought that rang a bell
1020523;1424062390;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform that's a point
1020524;1424062390;asciilifeform;to me.
1020525;1424062418;decimation;apparently there are varying levels of posix support in actual flight systems
1020526;1424062423;mircea_popescu;TheNewDeal they have been trying to trade for bitcoin with moderate success.
1020527;1424062473;TheNewDeal;you're aware of amagi?
1020528;1424062477;mircea_popescu;yes.
1020529;1424062578;decimation;asciilifeform: I suppose that if one really wants an os written in ada that 'fits in head' - one should write it himself
1020530;1424062601;decimation;after all, a program that manages to boot the target and run an infinite loop is a basic os
1020531;1424062629;asciilifeform;decimation: not even asking for an os
1020532;1424062645;decimation;yeah I know you weren't, but I thought it was an interesting question
1020533;1424062650;asciilifeform;decimation: just for gnat to build, from source, on my particular, unremarkable gentoo box
1020534;1424062661;asciilifeform;the way printed on the box
1020535;1424062766;mircea_popescu;http://31.media.tumblr.com/970b9af35bd767902b45116e3b5ab04a/tumblr_n7k8g6t70m1rl2fgko1_500.gif a metaphor for education.
1020536;1424062769;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1AtqbUH )
1020537;1424062776;mircea_popescu;"a pleasurable activity which needs outside incentives"
1020538;1424064011;cazalla;gee someone mentions alcohol and now im salivating
1020539;1424064450;thestringpuller;http://www.mtv.com/news/2069307/old-man-bald-haircut-bad-kids-children/ << i don't know why I think this is so funny.
1020540;1424064469;thestringpuller;dat face
1020541;1424064526;cazalla;thestringpuller, lol
1020542;1424064745;TheNewDeal;;;bids 216.9
1020543;1424064745;gribble;Bitstamp | There are currently 3005.8877 bitcoins demanded at or over 216.9 USD, worth 671376.912891 USD in total. | Data vintage: 0.1582 seconds
1020544;1424064764;TheNewDeal;!down TheNewDeal
1020545;1424065100;asciilifeform;https://gcc.gnu.org/ml/gcc-patches/2012-03/msg01073.html
1020546;1424065101;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1zYjfwS )
1020547;1424065104;asciilifeform;^ we found the shitgnome.
1020548;1424065139;asciilifeform;it was drepper.
1020549;1424065450;asciilifeform;and yes, it perma-breaks the gcc 4.1 that is built as part of the gnat bootstrap.
1020550;1424065544;ben_vulpes;is drepper the shitgnome or did drepper find the thing?
1020551;1424065552;asciilifeform;shitgnome
1020552;1424065561;ben_vulpes;disregard i eat cocks
1020553;1424065584;ben_vulpes;who is drepper anyways?
1020554;1424065590;asciilifeform;glibc
1020555;1424065629;asciilifeform;(and yes, as far as i can tell, the recent glibc pant-shitting was -also- drepper)
1020556;1424065738;mircea_popescu;hm... it occurs to me... wouldn't it be a good idea if all progressives were required to register themselves with the state ?
1020557;1424065740;ben_vulpes;stake?
1020558;1424065743;asciilifeform;stake.
1020559;1424065755;mircea_popescu;so, for instance, they are not allowed to take up residence in single occupant dwellings / family houses etc ?
1020560;1424065755;asciilifeform;the wide kind.
1020561;1424065762;mircea_popescu;but only dormrooms with shared bathrooms etc ?
1020562;1424065770;mircea_popescu;also, kept away from children and so on.
1020563;1424065774;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: we mostly have this already
1020564;1424065782;mircea_popescu;ah, good then.
1020565;1424065790;asciilifeform;the present-day crop of college kidz will never live in anything other than a kommunalka
1020566;1424065793;mircea_popescu;it's called social studies graduate programs, isn't it ?
1020567;1424065795;asciilifeform;can't afford children, etc
1020568;1424065879;mircea_popescu;Ladies and gentlemen, seldom can it have been a greater pleasure and privilege than it is for me now to announce that the next observation gave me the great pleasure and privilege of observing that it is my great pleasure and privilege to live in the best possible world of all the worlds that are possible already.
1020569;1424065894;*;asciilifeform falls down, stack overflowing
1020570;1424065898;mircea_popescu;definitely.
1020571;1424066035;asciilifeform;http://pastebin.com/VkgE27Pd << undoes the shitgnomism, but wtf should i have to rebuild glibc and -everything- to use a perfectly ordinary proggy ?
1020572;1424066036;assbot;siginfo_t_fix.patch - Pastebin.com ... ( http://bit.ly/1zYkzzC )
1020573;1424066067;mircea_popescu;shut up and rebuild.
1020574;1424066089;asciilifeform;no telling, also, what -else- will die
1020575;1424066141;*;ben_vulpes goes to bed, asciilifeform goes to rebuild the universe.
1020576;1424066144;ben_vulpes;what a time to be alive.
1020577;1424066205;asciilifeform;ain't happening. 'make world' on this box would take longer than the hardware's mtbf.
1020578;1424066223;mircea_popescu;lol in unrelated news, somebody just cussed me the fuck out because i am a wetback piece of shit left leaning commie.
1020579;1424066230;asciilifeform;l0l!
1020580;1424066234;mod6;haha wat
1020581;1424066244;mircea_popescu;this entirely predicated on the very simple 'lives in argentina -> was born there -> planet of hats'
1020582;1424066279;asciilifeform;i thought it was more ordinarily 'lives in argentina -> heil hitler' ?
1020583;1424066294;mircea_popescu;so did i. but hey, at least i'm not a gypsy nigger.
1020584;1424066335;asciilifeform;srsly, until very recently the common derp's sole item of 'knowledge' re: ar was that the fuhrer lives (yes) there
1020585;1424066345;mircea_popescu;i would also guess this person owns more weapons than remaining fingers (firecracker accidents), and they have more telescopes than barrel notches.
1020586;1424066427;asciilifeform;lol wut
1020587;1424066442;mircea_popescu;be specific!
1020588;1424066520;*;asciilifeform mindfucked, is searching for error msg, and #b-a log is #4 hit
1020589;1424066575;asciilifeform;log of me crapping it in here
1020590;1424066578;asciilifeform;a few hrs ago.
1020591;1424066584;punkman;might be personalization
1020592;1424066607;asciilifeform;punkman: does not appear to be...
1020593;1424066617;punkman;let me try
1020594;1424066651;asciilifeform;punkman: 'gnat "error: field 'info' has incomplete type" '
1020595;1424066697;punkman;well google loves the log apparently
1020596;1424066709;mircea_popescu;<asciilifeform> a few hrs ago. << yes. we dominate google mostly because we say interesting things.
1020597;1424066713;mircea_popescu;the machine can tell by now.
1020598;1424066722;punkman;I've been seeing it more often for various search strings, but I assumed it was personalization
1020599;1424066726;*;asciilifeform already learned the cause of the error, but is looking to see who else was affected
1020600;1424066739;asciilifeform;the shitgnome destroyed the ability to use an entire language
1020601;1424066745;mircea_popescu;to a large degree it's the silent progress that has been happening in thefield of machine processing of human text for the past... 20 years ?
1020602;1424066760;mircea_popescu;google is a major contributor. you can do wonderful things by sorting, word densities, etc etc.
1020603;1424066802;asciilifeform;google has extremely questionable motives and - at this point - competence
1020604;1424066806;mircea_popescu;you know all those "how to spam google ? ORIGINAL CONTENT!!1" advicey bits ? they're actually quite on point.
1020605;1424066821;mircea_popescu;original of course doesn't mean what the marginal retard "trying to make it online" imagines.
1020606;1424066823;asciilifeform;for all we know, they favour #b-a log on account of the sheer frequency with which sp4mz0rz and sc4mz0rz are mentioned here.
1020607;1424066841;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform all motives are questionable. that's kinda what a motive is : "he's not doing it for me, he's doing it for himself"
1020608;1424066882;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform nah, in one sentence it'd be "for the sheer frequency with which rare associations that match types they only see in quality text are seen here"
1020609;1424066906;mircea_popescu;believe it or not, google can actually recognise useful new papers from shitty new papers better than "peer review" committees can.
1020610;1424066962;punkman;https://majestic.com/reports/site-explorer?q=log.bitcoin-assets.com&oq=log.bitcoin-assets.com&IndexDataSource=F
1020611;1424066963;assbot;Site Explorer Results - Summary - Majestic ... ( http://bit.ly/1zYlPTp )
1020612;1424066970;punkman;65k links from external sources
1020613;1424067041;asciilifeform;punkman: betcha that's a random number
1020614;1424067048;asciilifeform;the thing has a thoroughly spamatronic feel to it
1020615;1424067050;punkman;no they crawl
1020616;1424067060;mircea_popescu;they do crawl.
1020617;1424067067;punkman;good addition for robots.txt block
1020618;1424067078;mircea_popescu;i never bothered.
1020619;1424067081;mircea_popescu;let them crawl lol.
1020620;1424067228;mircea_popescu;ahrefs.com is a similar thing, also crawls.
1020621;1424067278;punkman;there's at least a dozen of those mega-crawlers
1020622;1424067301;mircea_popescu;yeah. big business, giving idiots in cubicals something to do with their time that looks more srs bzns than facebook
1020623;1424067314;punkman;purpose being "find out where that other guy spams links, so you can do it too"
1020624;1424067463;asciilifeform;so the 'google finds unique strings' thing, sure - can we conclude that i'm the only one alive trying to build 'gnat' on 'gentoo' ?
1020625;1424067469;asciilifeform;this is sad.
1020626;1424067489;asciilifeform;where did the others go? ate their nagants from frustration ?
1020627;1424067496;joecool;google moved away from unique strings over the past few years... moved to signals, will match synonyms and areas to a query
1020628;1424067546;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform in a sane manner for sane reasons ? yes.
1020629;1424067569;mircea_popescu;others : http://trilema.com/2014/the-perfect-pitch/
1020630;1424067569;assbot;The perfect pitch pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.  ... ( http://bit.ly/1Ad2RHA )
1020631;1424067573;asciilifeform;where are the fossilized traces of folks doing it in insane matter, for lunatic reasons?
1020632;1424067573;mircea_popescu;the fly eyes on the meat aren't a joke.
1020633;1424067579;asciilifeform;i'd care to read'em. but nowhere
1020634;1424067588;mircea_popescu;^
1020635;1424067688;asciilifeform;just to underscore the sheer level of the braindamage i've uncovered - the thing won't build on any box with past 2+ yrs of glibc.
1020636;1424067693;asciilifeform;3+
1020637;1424067716;asciilifeform;mean to tell me that i'm the only one to 1) notice 2) say something on the net
1020638;1424067717;asciilifeform;?
1020639;1424067756;mircea_popescu;yes.
1020640;1424067768;mircea_popescu;i don't think you actually understand how the world works.
1020641;1424067776;asciilifeform;evidently not
1020642;1424067824;mircea_popescu;ok. let's put it in perspective. at some point i ended up peripherally involved in the "Art" scene by virtue of fucking in it.
1020643;1424067850;mircea_popescu;out of every 1k kids spending at least 1mn man-hours/year discussing a) creativity, generally and b) various projects
1020644;1424067869;mircea_popescu;a total of less than 100 hours ever got put into any actually existent item that could be burned for instance.
1020645;1424067916;asciilifeform;what happens to the rest of the time ?
1020646;1424067926;mircea_popescu;just because it's easier (and cheaper) to type into box than throw paint at canvas does not mean more anything ever gets made.
1020647;1424067943;asciilifeform;at some point you end up wondering what they're doing instead
1020648;1424067945;mircea_popescu;happens ?
1020649;1424067958;mircea_popescu;what is the pentium 1 doing "instead" ?
1020650;1424067964;asciilifeform;heating the room.
1020651;1424067970;mircea_popescu;instead of what lol. that's the clock rate.
1020652;1424067994;asciilifeform;i mean, it is approximately correct to say that it is discharging heat in the time between ticks
1020653;1424068004;asciilifeform;as the necessary 'instead'
1020654;1424068016;mircea_popescu;well im sure they all maintained metabolic balance throughout.
1020655;1424068050;mircea_popescu;one particular schmuck formulated plans for at least 24 months, at the rate of one a week, to TALK TO this particular whore.
1020656;1424068072;mircea_popescu;he failed, at the end of the reporting period, to have met the bare minimum level of achievement of finding out that the girl was actually working.
1020657;1424068099;asciilifeform;what would have been the purpose of such an exercise ?
1020658;1424068139;mircea_popescu;dude i dunno, if i spend my time planning how to murder obama and fail to find out he died three years prior as a side product
1020659;1424068142;mircea_popescu;i'd be fucking worried.
1020660;1424068200;asciilifeform;http://i260.photobucket.com/albums/ii18/drmabuse06/TimeTravelHitler.jpg
1020661;1424068201;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1zYnDvT )
1020662;1424068203;asciilifeform;^ obligatory
1020663;1424068203;mircea_popescu;imagine you were going to war in afghanistan and discovered the centcom thought afghanistan is actually in zanzibar ?
1020664;1424068256;mircea_popescu;if that happens im fucking defecting, because srsly. finding just one cockroach in the kitchen is one thing, but here we have found a cockroach inside the cockroach and no sign of any kitchens.
1020665;1424068381;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24800 @ 0.00041847 = 10.3781 BTC [-]
1020666;1424068479;asciilifeform;why would someone sit and formulate a 'plan' to talk to a whore ?
1020667;1424068484;asciilifeform;that was the question
1020668;1424068492;mircea_popescu;he DID NOT KNOW THIS
1020669;1424068496;asciilifeform;aha
1020670;1424068504;mircea_popescu;and he failed to find out.
1020671;1424068528;*;asciilifeform suddenly grasps what the story was probably about
1020672;1424068528;mircea_popescu;which should be informative. i've never spent two years planning on how to fix a window without discovering it really is a door, at some point during all that.
1020673;1424068532;mircea_popescu;aha.
1020674;1424068585;mircea_popescu;the process is wholly self-referential. it is in no sense different from the goings on in any insane asylum. you are essentially asking "ok, the sanitariums of the world hold a supply of at least 5000 napoleons. why is there no glorious history being produced ?"
1020675;1424068587;mircea_popescu;i dunno. guess ?
1020676;1424068616;asciilifeform;'insufficient number and quality of bicorns issued to the napoleons'
1020677;1424068620;asciilifeform;moar phunding needed.
1020678;1424068621;mircea_popescu;clearly.
1020679;1424068710;mircea_popescu;and in fact more funding is issued by the long suffering parents, either directly (as is the case in romania) or through collective buying (the state ->taxes->etc in the us).
1020680;1424068724;mircea_popescu;but this can not result in any substantial change, because more effort applied to faulty premise.
1020681;1424068870;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 34 @ 0.09331825 = 3.1728 BTC [-] {3} 
1020682;1424068871;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18128 @ 0.00041437 = 7.5117 BTC [-]
1020683;1424068898;mircea_popescu;consider the ever popular https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9f06QZCVUHg
1020684;1424068900;assbot;Bryan Adams - Summer of 69 - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1Ad4HIB )
1020685;1424068944;mircea_popescu;now imagine that, through technological advance, there is actually no real job for any of the kids to do. so jimmy  does not quit. and consequently jodi has nobody to marry. so she does not. so twenty years later, they are still in that garage, still with that guitar.
1020686;1424068947;mircea_popescu;fingers still bleed.
1020687;1424068950;mircea_popescu;has more music been produced ?
1020688;1424069016;mircea_popescu;a lot of neuropathy to "explain" and justify it all, sure. but google can sort through all that pretty fast, especially because it being psychogenic rather than rational it is dreadfully boring and entirely predictable.
1020689;1424069100;mircea_popescu;read one police report of crime x, you've read half of them. read ten, you've (practically) read them all. clinical psychology is only interesting to the patently insane, as a practice. otherwise all the notes say endlessly the same five or six things. there just aren't that many things to say.
1020690;1424069107;mircea_popescu;"and then the engine blew a cylinder". gee.
1020691;1424069220;mircea_popescu;and i'm putting this on my blog.
1020692;1424069784;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21100 @ 0.00040743 = 8.5968 BTC [-]
1020693;1424070150;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13471 @ 0.00040058 = 5.3962 BTC [-] {2} 
1020694;1424070211;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 81179 @ 0.00038973 = 31.6379 BTC [-] {2} 
1020695;1424070495;mircea_popescu;;;later tell joecool http://trilema.com/2015/youve-made-the-bed-enjoy-dying-in-it/ << you've made trilema!
1020696;1424070496;assbot;You've made the bed. Enjoy dying in it. pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.  ... ( http://bit.ly/19mO58w )
1020697;1424070496;gribble;The operation succeeded.
1020698;1424071776;mircea_popescu;http://thelastpsychiatrist.com/2007/03/a_primer_on_pedophilia.html << for the reason, the guy has omfg no idea what he's talking about.
1020699;1424071778;assbot;The Last Psychiatrist: A Primer on Pedophilia ... ( http://bit.ly/1Ad8FB3 )
1020700;1424071785;mircea_popescu;this is the most moldbug-like tlp article so far.
1020701;1424072041;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31950 @ 0.00041131 = 13.1414 BTC [+]
1020702;1424074502;BingoBoingo;http://www.returnofkings.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/02/child-walk.jpg
1020703;1424074503;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1DXromT )
1020704;1424074745;fluffypony;http://phys.org/news/2015-02-hackers-billion-banks.html
1020705;1424074746;assbot;Hackers steal up to $1 billion from banks, security co. says (Update) ... ( http://bit.ly/1DXrOK7 )
1020706;1424076482;mircea_popescu;qntra pls!
1020707;1424078080;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 50950 @ 0.00039547 = 20.1492 BTC [-]
1020708;1424078562;[]bot;Bet placed: 3 BTC for No on "Gold to drop under $1000 before April 2015" http://bitbet.us/bet/1119/ Odds: 15(Y):85(N) by coin, 15(Y):85(N) by weight. Total bet: 8.3001 BTC. Current weight: 97,928.
1020709;1424080728;cazalla;mircea_popescu: But legal driving limit is usually .08% <<< here, 0.05, learner or provisional driver? 0! bad luck if your medication put you over the limit!
1020710;1424080761;cazalla;personally, i am capable of driving at any limit although police did not believe such a story
1020711;1424080823;cazalla;typical australian drunk driver http://youtu.be/8-0Ds05UnrA?t=32s
1020712;1424080825;assbot;Just waiting for a mate - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/17asvTe )
1020713;1424085034;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 172900 @ 0.00039229 = 67.8269 BTC [-] {3} 
1020714;1424086498;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 53600 @ 0.00040406 = 21.6576 BTC [+]
1020715;1424086926;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21380 @ 0.00040406 = 8.6388 BTC [+]
1020716;1424087353;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7300 @ 0.00039714 = 2.8991 BTC [-]
1020717;1424087780;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29664 @ 0.00039572 = 11.7386 BTC [-] {2} 
1020718;1424091074;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15473 @ 0.00039113 = 6.052 BTC [-]
1020719;1424092416;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 42750 @ 0.00040171 = 17.1731 BTC [+]
1020720;1424092912;BingoBoingo;!up Codmadnesspro
1020721;1424092965;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 74400 @ 0.00039328 = 29.26 BTC [-] {3} 
1020722;1424094795;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 49900 @ 0.00040406 = 20.1626 BTC [+]
1020723;1424094938;BingoBoingo;http://qntra.net/2015/02/up-to-one-billion-in-fiat-value-stolen-from-banks/
1020724;1424094938;assbot;Up To One Billion in Fiat Value Stolen From Banks | Qntra.net ... ( http://bit.ly/1zHrAAc )
1020725;1424095405;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 47597 @ 0.00040406 = 19.232 BTC [+]
1020726;1424095700;BingoBoingo;https://hashtalk.org/topic/26497/the-guys-at-qntra-net-really-dislike-gaw-hey-wow/13
1020727;1424095700;assbot;Just a moment... ... ( http://bit.ly/1zHtdxF )
1020728;1424096140;Adlai;tl;dr url is sufficient
1020729;1424096159;Adlai;tbh for both of the last links
1020730;1424096178;*;Adlai → emax
1020731;1424096259;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 70350 @ 0.00040854 = 28.7408 BTC [+]
1020732;1424096290;BingoBoingo;Fundnation just dropped 0.10 https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/2w224h/bitcoin_core_0100_released/ "Headers First"
1020733;1424096293;assbot;Bitcoin Core 0.10.0 Released : Bitcoin ... ( http://bit.ly/1zHuKUH )
1020734;1424096564;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 42294 @ 0.00041636 = 17.6095 BTC [+] {2} 
1020735;1424096808;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 158450 @ 0.00041819 = 66.2622 BTC [+]
1020736;1424097334;danielpbarron;!up hdbuck
1020737;1424097341;danielpbarron;welcome to the real world!
1020738;1424097357;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 72650 @ 0.00040452 = 29.3884 BTC [-] {3} 
1020739;1424097610;danielpbarron;height=189051 vs height=182929   (solid state pogo vs 5400 rpm)
1020740;1424097655;danielpbarron;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-02-2015#1019600
1020741;1424097655;assbot;Logged on 15-02-2015 15:26:42; danielpbarron: height=183012 vs height=181378  currently
1020742;1424097748;Adlai;go pogo go
1020743;1424097772;Adlai;although i guess the correct plugal would be pogī
1020744;1424097789;hdbuck;danielpbarron ahah sure, not that i have much to say anyway. just lurking
1020745;1424097802;BingoBoingo;OpenBSD 0.7.2 sync 2 now on April 15th, 2013
1020746;1424097811;Adlai;hdbuck: just don't pledge allegiance to "usg and FIAT" and you'll be fine
1020747;1424097860;danielpbarron;lol cazalla re: the video you posted "can you define definitive?"
1020748;1424097872;danielpbarron;this guy could run for president
1020749;1424097883;hdbuck;adlai never :)
1020750;1424097896;*;Adlai prefers subaru, much better store of value
1020751;1424098077;danielpbarron;https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=941331.msg10479169#msg10479169 "Again you had me at Hitler's knob. Besides, I have a FICO score that gives me all the credit I need."  << my brain is going to catch on fire..
1020752;1424098078;assbot;Bitcoin 20MB Fork ... ( http://bit.ly/17hdZc0 )
1020753;1424098185;danielpbarron;this is from a "donator." doesn't that mean he gave thermos 50 bitcoin or something?
1020754;1424098224;hdbuck;so whatcha gonna do when coinbase/TBF/bitpay/bitfury/KNC/ and all the usg rapist unite to promote the fork?
1020755;1424098253;danielpbarron;same thing I do every day: read the logs
1020756;1424098279;danielpbarron;seriously, do you think any of those groups have any effect on bitcoin?
1020757;1424098298;danielpbarron;(i assume by TBF you don't mean the real one -> http://thebitcoin.foundation/ )
1020758;1424098299;assbot;..::[ The Bitcoin Foundation ]::.. ... ( http://bit.ly/17heCm3 )
1020759;1424098390;hdbuck;i think so, yea. even Karpeles had an non negligible effect on bitcoin.
1020760;1424098404;danielpbarron;so did pirateat40
1020761;1424098441;hdbuck;right?
1020762;1424098449;hdbuck;DPR too ^^
1020763;1424098487;BingoBoingo;DPR, literally the guy who wasn't good enough to sling dope as a profession
1020764;1424098524;danielpbarron;this was explained very well by the great MPOE-PR, or as we know her, hanbot
1020765;1424098538;danielpbarron;i'm having trouble finding the article now, perhaps someone can help me
1020766;1424098576;hdbuck;anyhow if that helps i’ll gladly plug back in my antminers to mine ‘mpcoins’ ^^
1020767;1424098638;danielpbarron;found it: http://trilema.com/2012/fact-of-the-matter-is-the-infrastructure-was-not-ready/
1020768;1424098639;assbot;Fact of the matter is, the infrastructure was not ready pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.  ... ( http://bit.ly/17hfEhY )
1020769;1424098692;danielpbarron;"When a small majority* of participants behave irresponsibly however the net result is not just pain to their own fortunes, but pain spread across the board. All of a sudden you have to be very intelligent, and very experienced, and very well informed to manage to keep your money safe, and often enough even that's not going to suffice."
1020770;1424098815;hdbuck;eh, thats just stating the obvious. not that anyone could do anything about it. cycle of life.
1020771;1424098862;danielpbarron;ok, then try this one, hdbuck : http://trilema.com/2013/things-that-matter-these-days-things-that-dont-matter-these-days/
1020772;1424098862;assbot;Things that matter these days ; things that don't matter these days. pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.  ... ( http://bit.ly/1Jmlxw7 )
1020773;1424098885;danielpbarron;"I remember a time when those barely visible bumps around August 2012 and February 2013 filled the whole screen with their rollercoaster-y appearance. I remember that time because I was there and saw it, but to anyone looking today they don't matter and could as well have never existed. This will happen again, in the future."
1020774;1424099243;danielpbarron;!up hdbuck
1020775;1424099376;hdbuck;danielpbarron yea i like that article, read it already when it came out, anway gotta go, thanks for the heads up. ++
1020776;1424100670;BingoBoingo;https://i.imgur.com/I60yGYs.gif
1020777;1424100673;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1FSOQ3K )
1020778;1424101323;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 158400 @ 0.00042048 = 66.604 BTC [+] {4} 
1020779;1424101606;mike_c;what is it holding?
1020780;1424101653;mike_c;i want that to be cute but i can't tell if there's a death struggle going on.
1020781;1424101848;BingoBoingo;I think it is pretending to be a boulder to get down a slope
1020782;1424101878;BingoBoingo;I can't tell what if anything it is holding
1020783;1424102803;asciilifeform;phoundation's 0.10 >> 'More script opcodes considered standard - more power for programmable money' << lol, hardphork?
1020784;1424102856;asciilifeform;would someone care to explain why a previously-invalid opcode introduced by phoundation doesn't make a fork ?
1020785;1424103084;BingoBoingo;!up pete_dushenski
1020786;1424103175;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: My naive understanding is that older client just see it as noise. Like the multisig stuff.
1020787;1424103187;BingoBoingo;But this is a very naive understanding
1020788;1424103398;nubbins`;*:asciilifeform wonders if he's the only fella here who has never rage-smashed a keyboard, pNohe, pNablet, ..., etc <<< i rage-smashed a set of folding binoculars at around age 8, broke the little compass on top. wept bitterly at the loss, resolved to only smash things i didn't value from then on
1020789;1424103554;nubbins`;BingoBoingo:DPR, literally the guy who wasn't good enough to sling dope as a profession <<< if he'd stuck to website admin, his actual job, he'd prolly still be out there
1020790;1424103591;nubbins`;also FWIW i think mp et al precisely misunderstood the function of silk road
1020791;1424103591;nubbins`;(but so did dpr, in the end)
1020792;1424103627;nubbins`;its purpose was never, ever to do something as ludicrous as move a kilo of cocaine
1020793;1424103635;nubbins`;that this sort of thing directly led to its demise is no coincidence
1020794;1424103708;nubbins`;consider: what is every dark market currently selling as their #1 product?
1020795;1424103715;nubbins`;personal amounts of recreational drugs.
1020796;1424103736;nubbins`;not kilos of coke, not guns, porn, assassinations, etc
1020797;1424103751;nubbins`;padded envelopes filled with party.
1020798;1424103791;nubbins`;it's just as moronic for someone to move a kilo of cocaine on a dark market as it is for someone to buy a personal amount of pot from a stranger, in person.
1020799;1424103828;nubbins`;that the two activities carry significantly differing levels of risk is worth noting, but this point aside, they're equally nonsensical.
1020800;1424103966;BingoBoingo;nubbins`: Well the risk for the in person personal weed deal is functional. It keeps everyone honest.
1020801;1424103989;nubbins`;generally the purchaser in a face-to-face transaction is at a distinct disadvantage.
1020802;1424104011;nubbins`;guy shortchanges you by half and grins at you while he's doing it. whatcha gonna do?
1020803;1424104028;nubbins`;leave him a rating?
1020804;1424104081;BingoBoingo;Why not?
1020805;1424104113;nubbins`;because there's nowhere i can "leave a rating" in meatspacethat will follow him around?
1020806;1424104127;nubbins`;what am i gonna do, put a warning post on craigslist?
1020807;1424104135;BingoBoingo;Or Yelp
1020808;1424104144;nubbins`;o.O
1020809;1424104164;danielpbarron;it's not so risky asking a stranger for pot where I live; recreational amount is just a ticketable offense these days
1020810;1424104190;nubbins`;danielpbarron sure. and with smaller markets comes less risk, as reputation becomes more important.
1020811;1424104194;BingoBoingo;Or you tattoo he shortchanges onto his forehead in the back of a van.
1020812;1424104195;nubbins`;but let's rewind a bit...
1020813;1424104206;danielpbarron;also, i used to bite my super nintendo controlers
1020814;1424104212;nubbins`;<+nubbins`> it's just as moronic for someone to move a kilo of cocaine on a dark market as it is for someone to buy a personal amount of pot from a stranger, in person.
1020815;1424104219;nubbins`;^ from a stranger
1020816;1424104230;nubbins`;suppose you moved to a new city and you wanna get lifted
1020817;1424104230;BingoBoingo;Ah
1020818;1424104249;Adlai;ideally the promise of repeat business would keep them honest
1020819;1424104268;nubbins`;1) hit up the park and ask the hippies 2) hit up the alley and ask the sketchbag 3) pop on SR and purchase from a trusted vendor with a list of ratings
1020820;1424104274;Adlai;get cheated, find a new stranger. but this is far from perfect
1020821;1424104292;nubbins`;Adlai "ideally" the first time someone buys weed from you, they're not a repeat customer
1020822;1424104294;danielpbarron;hey i totally agree; silkroad was perfect for the petty stuff
1020823;1424104304;nubbins`;it was DESIGNED for the petty stuff.
1020824;1424104314;nubbins`;kept young white kids outta the hard parts of town
1020825;1424104338;danielpbarron;when i found out the kids were buying bulk research chems, that was too much for me
1020826;1424104358;nubbins`;nevermind that most of those were undoubtably fake.
1020827;1424104362;Adlai;bulk research chems were sold on the open internet long before sr existed
1020828;1424104365;danielpbarron;they were intentionally fake
1020829;1424104367;Adlai;they're not fake, you can buy them straight from the lab
1020830;1424104368;nubbins`;review left on 5-MeO-DMT: "nice effect"
1020831;1424104381;nubbins`;"i think i can feel it coming on"
1020832;1424104383;danielpbarron;you get what you pay for
1020833;1424104384;*;nubbins` shakes head
1020834;1424104397;danielpbarron;real LSD costs money.
1020835;1424104397;nubbins`;Adlai i mean the RCs on SR were mostly fake.
1020836;1424104405;nubbins`;danielpbarron now here's an interesting thing.
1020837;1424104423;nubbins`;in 2006, 2-5I-NBOmE or however the fuck it's spelled was created
1020838;1424104434;*;Adlai facepalms on nubbins`'s behalf
1020839;1424104461;nubbins`;active at very low doses -- enough to fit on blotter -- and similar enough to LSD that those who hadn't dosed before could mistake it for the real thing
1020840;1424104478;nubbins`;for the better part of a decade, NBOMe was the ONLY "acid" you could get on the street.
1020841;1424104496;nubbins`;always sold as LSD, because who the fuck wants to buy something called 2-5i-NBOMe?
1020842;1424104499;danielpbarron;that is exactly how the scam works ^ : kids these days have no idea what LSD is supposed to be like
1020843;1424104511;nubbins`;then SR comes around and there's a category for LSD and a category for NBOMe
1020844;1424104519;nubbins`;and people stop misrepresenting what they're selling.
1020845;1424104538;nubbins`;because it turns out people are perfectly willing to buy 2-5i-NBOMe.
1020846;1424104542;Adlai;yknow, reagents existed even before the internet itself
1020847;1424104557;nubbins`;Adlai you don't say?
1020848;1424104617;nubbins`;anyway. silk road came along. it died, others followed.
1020849;1424104628;nubbins`;now when you buy LSD from a guy off the street, it's actually LSD.
1020850;1424104645;nubbins`;it's twice the cost of the late 90s/early 00s
1020851;1424104651;nubbins`;but (a) inflation (b) who cares
1020852;1424104658;nubbins`;(c) it was underpriced to begin with
1020853;1424104793;Adlai;the price of lsd is an interesting topic, given that once you pass some rather priceless hurdles, the actual cost of producing a kilo of the stuff is epsilon
1020854;1424104798;nubbins`;oh sure.
1020855;1424104802;nubbins`;those missile silo guys
1020856;1424104808;nubbins`;marginal cost was like $0.29 per hit?
1020857;1424104816;Adlai;that sounds high.
1020858;1424104827;nubbins`;actually maybe that was their wholesale rate
1020859;1424104849;nubbins`;details are lost to memory
1020860;1424104868;nubbins`;but yeah, straight up, the actual cheapest drug to produce once you're set up
1020861;1424104886;danielpbarron;it's not unlike those "asic" chips where they would burn part of the board off to make the lower end version
1020862;1424104910;nubbins`;well. "cheapest" is dimensionless
1020863;1424104914;nubbins`;in this regard
1020864;1424104916;Adlai;"Interestingly, the $10/100mcg price is approximately what the research chemical firm Sigma-Aldrich charges (Product Link).  I'm guessing the main expense is regulatory compliance.  $1 for the chemicals, $99 for filling out NIDA paperwork."
1020865;1424104929;Adlai;product link = http://www.sigmaaldrich.com/catalog/product/sigma/L7007?lang=en&region=US
1020866;1424104931;assbot;Lysergic acid diethylamide | Sigma-Aldrich ... ( http://bit.ly/1L3dhN4 )
1020867;1424104953;nubbins`;not available in my region ;/
1020868;1424104973;nubbins`;$15 a tab seems to be dark-market standard these days
1020869;1424104986;nubbins`;;;google $15 in 1999 dollars
1020870;1424104988;gribble;1999 - Calculate the value of $15 in 1999 - Inflation on 15 dollars ...: <http://www.dollartimes.com/inflation/inflation.php?amount=15&year=1999>; Inflation Calculator: Bureau of Labor Statistics: <http://www.bls.gov/data/inflation_calculator.htm>; Canada Lunar Coin | eBay: <http://www.ebay.com/bhp/canada-lunar-coin>
1020871;1424104995;PeterL;so I just applied for a job at a company, their hr is handled by SilkRoad.com , made me lol
1020872;1424105004;nubbins`;ehh pretty close.
1020873;1424105007;nubbins`;anyway.
1020874;1424105014;nubbins`;$15 for 8 hours of fun
1020875;1424105032;nubbins`;that'd buy you between one and three beers at a bar, depending on your tolerance for seediness
1020876;1424105080;Adlai;or, to bastardize sam harris, 1000 years at the Mountain of Shame
1020877;1424105092;Adlai;( http://www.samharris.org/blog/item/drugs-and-the-meaning-of-life )
1020878;1424105094;assbot;Drugs and the Meaning of Life : Sam Harris ... ( http://bit.ly/1AJm59D )
1020879;1424105119;Adlai;"I ingested 400 micrograms of LSD. I was twenty years old and had taken the drug at least ten times previously. What could go wrong?" lol
1020880;1424105133;nubbins`;heh.
1020881;1424105139;*;nubbins` prepares to write a list
1020882;1424105196;*;Adlai left out the part about sam doing this on a rowboat in a nepalese lake
1020883;1424105280;nubbins`;"I can think of no right more fundamental than the right to peacefully steward the contents of one’s own consciousness."
1020884;1424105313;jurov;-query thestringpuller
1020885;1424105348;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 36345 @ 0.00042179 = 15.33 BTC [+]
1020886;1424105430;*;Adlai likes mckenna's "If the words 'life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness' don't include the right to experiment with your own consciousness, then the Declaration of Independence isn't worth the hemp it was written on."
1020887;1424105466;mircea_popescu;Adlai http://trilema.com/2015/this-is-why-medicine-is-not-a-liberal-profession-but-a-servile-career/ << funnily related, fresh off the presses.
1020888;1424105467;assbot;This is why medicine is not a liberal profession, but a servile career pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.  ... ( http://bit.ly/1AJnAVm )
1020889;1424105525;Adlai;this footnote density is really outta hand
1020890;1424105588;mircea_popescu;not even the worst offender, that one.
1020891;1424105636;nubbins`;dat lack of credits
1020892;1424105641;nubbins`;i'll read it next week 8)
1020893;1424105659;mircea_popescu;lol send me a copper bitcent, i'llset you up
1020894;1424105782;ben_vulpes;"Why, he will be castigated by the authority, cast out by the other doctors, and no longer be able to call himself a doctor." << rarely happens in the ussa, but this place is a hellhole.
1020895;1424105846;nubbins`;"Have you ever traveled, beyond all mere metaphors, to the Mountain of Shame and stayed for a thousand years? I do not recommend it."
1020896;1424105863;nubbins`;mp addy plox
1020897;1424105865;jurov;almost all alternative cancer treatments i saw had some emdee face from the US attached
1020898;1424105883;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes speaking of that : http://thelastpsychiatrist.com/2007/01/not_competent_to_make_medical.html#comment-26
1020899;1424105884;assbot;The Last Psychiatrist: Not Competent To Make Medical Decisions? ... ( http://bit.ly/1AJpvcB )
1020900;1424105888;nubbins`;actually i guess i can do this myself right on the page
1020901;1424105892;mircea_popescu;exactly.
1020902;1424105895;mircea_popescu;!up Codmadnesspro
1020903;1424105900;nubbins`;BUT WHO WILL HOLD MY HAND
1020904;1424105919;mircea_popescu;urc0k ?
1020905;1424105936;Adlai;the cock wagging the hand?
1020906;1424105940;mircea_popescu;why not!
1020907;1424105997;nubbins`;why did this man feel that taking 400mcg of LSD, alone, in a rowboat, in the middle of a lake, in nepal, was a good idea?
1020908;1424106000;nubbins`;ah, youth
1020909;1424106003;mircea_popescu;;;later tell imsaguy http://trilema.com/2011/fetele-bitcoin-ului-episodul-ii/ << hey remember 2011 ?! random commenter dug it up.
1020910;1424106004;assbot;Fetele bitcoin-ului, episodul II pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.  ... ( http://bit.ly/1AJq0TV )
1020911;1424106004;gribble;The operation succeeded.
1020912;1424106107;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes but in any case, it probably happens even rarely-er to slavegirls.
1020913;1424106143;nubbins`;hey, it ended with a quote from "the varieties of religious experience"
1020914;1424106156;*;nubbins` highly recommends Sagan's "the varieties of scientific experience"
1020915;1424106158;Adlai;and omitted james's favorite variety.
1020916;1424106183;nubbins`;same lecture series, ~90 years later
1020917;1424106189;Adlai;https://www.erowid.org/chemicals/nitrous/nitrous_article1.shtml
1020918;1424106190;assbot;Erowid Nitrous Vault : The Subjective Effects of Nitrous Oxide, by William James ... ( http://bit.ly/1AJqRnt )
1020919;1424106217;nubbins`;Adlai i can recall trying to explain to someone what it's like being put to sleep by "gas" when in the hospital
1020920;1424106230;nubbins`;after hemming and hawing for a bit, i said "it's like doing whippets until you pass out"
1020921;1424106234;nubbins`;paused to think
1020922;1424106240;Adlai;s/like //
1020923;1424106241;nubbins`;"actually, take the word 'like' out of there"
1020924;1424106246;Adlai;yeah :D
1020925;1424106249;nubbins`;:D
1020926;1424106310;mircea_popescu;i thought they use simple N2 in those cans, not NO
1020927;1424106319;Adlai;N₂O
1020928;1424106324;mircea_popescu;is it ? but why ?
1020929;1424106328;mircea_popescu;n2 much cheaper, inert.
1020930;1424106359;Adlai;it's kinda illogical for n2 to get you high
1020931;1424106372;Adlai;or rather, the n2 high is the most common one, by faaaaar
1020932;1424106379;Adlai;the default high, if you will.
1020933;1424106381;mircea_popescu;it's kinda illogical to tell me you actually think billions of gallos of heavy duty intoxicant are being sold otc all over the world.
1020934;1424106412;nubbins`;o.O
1020935;1424106413;*;Adlai cited no numbers
1020936;1424106414;nubbins`;...they are.
1020937;1424106425;Adlai;also nitrous isn't that cheap
1020938;1424106431;nubbins`;like a buck a hit!
1020939;1424106436;Adlai;if lsd fun is $2/hr, nitrous is more like $200
1020940;1424106446;nubbins`;^
1020941;1424106451;mircea_popescu;so how much does a can of whipping cream cost ?
1020942;1424106455;mircea_popescu;$79 + tax ?
1020943;1424106458;nubbins`;couple bucks
1020944;1424106465;mircea_popescu;buncha dopeheads.
1020945;1424106468;nubbins`;skip the cream, buy the canisters.
1020946;1424106475;Adlai;skip the cannisters, buy the tank
1020947;1424106475;mircea_popescu;and you still think the can's pressurized with n2o ?
1020948;1424106481;*;nubbins` facepalms
1020949;1424106483;nubbins`;of course it is.
1020950;1424106491;mircea_popescu;because just n2 not good enough ?
1020951;1424106503;danielpbarron;there was a guy with a nitrous tank at porcfest with a group of zombies crowded around it
1020952;1424106520;nubbins`;mircea_popescu it's precisely n2o.
1020953;1424106523;nubbins`;https://www.google.ca/search?q=whipped+cream+canisters&tbm=isch
1020954;1424106525;assbot;whipped cream canisters - Google Search ... ( http://bit.ly/1AJsa5Z )
1020955;1424106527;Adlai;how on earth (the planet with an atmosphere full of nitrogen) would nitrogen gas get you anything other than sober / oxygen deprived
1020956;1424106527;davout;mircea_popescu: you get high from n2 starting at ~4 bar partial pressure iirc
1020957;1424106531;mircea_popescu;so someone sells you $200 an hour stuff at coupla bux a can ?
1020958;1424106549;danielpbarron;the trip lasts about a minute
1020959;1424106551;nubbins`;^
1020960;1424106554;mircea_popescu;Adlai most dopeheads can't distinguish asphyxia from a high.
1020961;1424106561;nubbins`;the trip lasts almost precisely as long as you can hold your breath.
1020962;1424106565;mircea_popescu;^
1020963;1424106565;PeterL;Adlai: oxygen deprivation can feel like getting high?
1020964;1424106580;nubbins`;mircea_popescu FWIW asphyxia is a completely different buzz.
1020965;1424106601;nubbins`;also FWIW as long as your air has, what, 15-20% oxygen, you're fine
1020966;1424106602;Adlai;i'm sorry, but if you can't distinguish o2 deprivation from n2o intoxication, then you've never intoxicated on n2o.
1020967;1424106603;mircea_popescu;get a mass spectrometer, can at it, see if it's n2o or n2 or co2 (more commonly now)
1020968;1424106611;Adlai;they are *different*
1020969;1424106611;nubbins`;o.O
1020970;1424106620;nubbins`;<--has been high on medical-grade n2o
1020971;1424106625;nubbins`;<--has also tried whippets
1020972;1424106633;danielpbarron;how is it surprising you can get high with whipped cream? you can also make your own ether fairly easily
1020973;1424106635;nubbins`;<--has also held breath til unconsciousness (!)
1020974;1424106647;Adlai;now THAT is impressive willpower
1020975;1424106662;nubbins`;Adlai every day is a winding road
1020976;1424106681;danielpbarron;as a teenager i impressed some friends with that little trick: buy some starter fluid, mix with water in garbage bag, wait for it to settle, drain out the impurities
1020977;1424106686;nubbins`;mircea_popescu while co2 canisters are popular, they're a different size and generally used for paintball/bb guns
1020978;1424106702;mircea_popescu;nubbins` im more talking the industrial side of things here.
1020979;1424106707;mircea_popescu;suppose you have a canning operation.
1020980;1424106715;nubbins`;ok, let's take Air Liquide for an example
1020981;1424106717;nubbins`;;;google air liquide
1020982;1424106718;gribble;Home > American Air Liquide: <http://www.us.airliquide.com/>; Careers > American Air Liquide: <http://www.us.airliquide.com/en/careers.html>; Search Jobs and Apply > American Air Liquide: <http://www.us.airliquide.com/en/careers/search-jobs-and-apply.html>
1020983;1424106721;mircea_popescu;do you buy the expensive and license-requiring n2o, or the cheap atmospheric gas ?
1020984;1424106731;nubbins`;well, it depends. what do i want to use it for?
1020985;1424106740;mircea_popescu;making two buck a can whipping cream
1020986;1424106759;Adlai;fwiw, there's "automotive-grade" and "food-grade" nitrous. the latter is (supposedly) regulated to contain nitrous and not whatever else is cheaper.
1020987;1424106774;mircea_popescu;right.
1020988;1424106780;nubbins`;yeah, "NOS" is n2o.
1020989;1424106806;Adlai;and yes, if you buy a tank of nitrous oxide, and you don't check what grade it is, you will get sulfur dioxide (or worse) impurities
1020990;1424106807;mircea_popescu;is there also a medical anesthetic ?
1020991;1424106819;mircea_popescu;also regulated, amoing other things, to not be dispensed otc / to unlicensed physicians ?
1020992;1424106820;Adlai;+nubbins` | <--has been high on medical-grade n2o
1020993;1424106834;nubbins`;most dentist's offices have n2o on tap.
1020994;1424106840;nubbins`;every hospital does.
1020995;1424106845;mircea_popescu;most household bathrooms however do not.
1020996;1424106849;Adlai;;;google cause i'm a dentist
1020997;1424106850;gribble;Little Shop of Horrors I'm a Dentist - YouTube: <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hHsDKqKE_kc>; Little Shop of Horrors - Dentist Song - YouTube: <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bOtMizMQ6oM>; Little Shop Of Horrors - Dentist! Lyrics | MetroLyrics: <http://www.metrolyrics.com/dentist-lyrics-little-shop-of-horrors.html>
1020998;1424106857;nubbins`;unless they buy n2o cartridges from the restaurant supply store.
1020999;1424106861;mircea_popescu;for that matter, all hospitals also have morphine on tap.
1021000;1424106871;Adlai;some even have desomorphine!
1021001;1424106873;mircea_popescu;kinda why druggies try to steal from hospitals rather than police stations or courthouses.
1021002;1424106876;Adlai;er, diamorphine
1021003;1424106879;Adlai;i doubt any have deso :P
1021004;1424106881;nubbins`;mircea_popescu plain n2 is probably not fat soluble.
1021005;1424106884;nubbins`;(guessing)
1021006;1424106889;Adlai;... why not?
1021007;1424106897;Adlai;plain n2 is probably anything-soluble
1021008;1424106904;Adlai;(guessing)
1021009;1424106908;mircea_popescu;to get a pressurized container you don't need fat solubility, nor is 2 buck a can whipping creram anything but styrofoam.
1021010;1424106919;mircea_popescu;for that matter, co2 is not bread soluble either, works just fine to leaven bread.
1021011;1424106921;nubbins`;well the fat solubility is what whips the cream.
1021012;1424106926;mircea_popescu;you're nuts.
1021013;1424106931;nubbins`;you're nuts.
1021014;1424106933;nubbins`;add heavy cream to a canister.
1021015;1424106936;nubbins`;add n2o.
1021016;1424106942;mircea_popescu;and shake ?
1021017;1424106945;nubbins`;no.
1021018;1424106949;PeterL;it needs to be non-soluble to make the bubbles
1021019;1424106957;nubbins`;if the container is pressurized, the n2o will dissolve into the cream.
1021020;1424106960;mircea_popescu;sometimes i wish to visit the industrial plants artists would make to support their independent nation
1021021;1424106964;nubbins`;now you have liquid cream filled with n2o.
1021022;1424106975;nubbins`;when this is released into the atmosphere
1021023;1424106976;mircea_popescu;PeterL shut up, he can distinguish highs and also has vision spectrometry built in.
1021024;1424106984;nubbins`;the n2o releases itself from the cream
1021025;1424106991;nubbins`;foaming ("whipping") it in the process
1021026;1424106992;PeterL;I just don't understand how the world works?
1021027;1424106995;nubbins`;srsly, howstuffworks.
1021028;1424106998;mircea_popescu;well, not his.
1021029;1424107008;mircea_popescu;nubbins` and this would not work the same with any other gas.
1021030;1424107010;*;Adlai wonders whether anybody bothered to read william james's gassy babblings. tl;dr: "There are no differences but differences of degree between different degrees of difference and no difference."
1021031;1424107025;nubbins`;mircea_popescu i'd imagine it would
1021032;1424107040;mircea_popescu;so then who thefuck would use anything but either co2 or n2, ie, atmospheric gases.
1021033;1424107057;nubbins`;"it produces whipped cream four times the volume of the liquid, whereas whipping air into cream only produces twice the volume. If air were used as a propellant, oxygen would accelerate rancidification of the butterfat; nitrous oxide inhibits such degradation. Carbon dioxide cannot be used for whipped cream because it is acidic in water, which would curdle the cream and give it a seltzer-like "sparkling" sensation."
1021034;1424107076;mircea_popescu;notice 02 wasn't there. it's obvious why not : fucking expensive. because reactive.
1021035;1424107088;Adlai;related: you want to sell roses in gas stations. q: why would you add a useless hole to your vase? a: because you don't actually want to sell roses, you're selling crack pipes.
1021036;1424107092;nubbins`;of course o2 isn't there
1021037;1424107105;mircea_popescu;right. and ok, co2 is acidic. that leaves n2.
1021038;1424107124;Adlai;but n2 won't bring additional revenue from kiddies looking for kicks
1021039;1424107124;nubbins`;i'm no chemist, but maybe if we asked someone qualified, they'd be able to give an actual answer
1021040;1424107129;mircea_popescu;(kinda why co2 is used in "beverages" - acidity there's a plus)
1021041;1424107137;mircea_popescu;nubbins` like who, PeterL ?
1021042;1424107145;PeterL;I'm thinking about it
1021043;1424107154;mircea_popescu;PeterL do you have a mass spectrometer anywhere ?
1021044;1424107156;nubbins`;i'm not sure why you think there's an industry-wide conspiracy and that all whipped cream canisters are intentionally mislabelled?
1021045;1424107161;nubbins`;that's retarded
1021046;1424107167;PeterL;not since I got laid off a couple weeks ago
1021047;1424107168;nubbins`;like, actually.
1021048;1424107172;mircea_popescu;nubbins` it gets you to buy it, dunnit ?
1021049;1424107176;Adlai;we could also ask google: http://www.justsayn2o.com/nitrous.dairy.html
1021050;1424107177;assbot;Why Is Nitrous Oxide Used In Whipped Cream ... ( http://bit.ly/1AJuRo2 )
1021051;1424107184;PeterL;and I think gas chromatogram is what you are looking for?
1021052;1424107187;mircea_popescu;not a single fmcg item is properly labeled if the dispute is "get nubsy to think it's better than it is"
1021053;1424107208;*;nubbins` sighs
1021054;1424107212;mircea_popescu;PeterL yeah. i r physicist not chemist. and a theoretical one at that >D
1021055;1424107219;nubbins`;so the premium fuel i'm putting into my car is actually regular grade?
1021056;1424107226;mircea_popescu;nubbins` can we now move on to the wrestling dispute ?
1021057;1424107231;nubbins`;sounds like you've got this conspiracy cracked wide open
1021058;1424107231;Adlai;it's actually just nitrogen
1021059;1424107234;Adlai;your car moves by magic
1021060;1424107236;mircea_popescu;no, but it doesn;'t "protect the engine"
1021061;1424107250;nubbins`;right.
1021062;1424107256;mircea_popescu;tho they claim it.
1021063;1424107264;mircea_popescu;and have, for > 50 years.
1021064;1424107271;mircea_popescu;'new formulation, protects the engine!11"
1021065;1424107287;nubbins`;so our options are: (1) n2o is actually n2o and there's a reason why n2 won't cut it. or (2) all n2o is n2, without exception, and every single person who knows this secret isn't telling.
1021066;1424107289;*;nubbins` nods slowly
1021067;1424107292;Adlai;http://imgs.xkcd.com/comics/free.png
1021068;1424107293;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1AJvgqt )
1021069;1424107340;nubbins`;(2) does sound like the more reasonable one
1021070;1424107345;nubbins`;(1) is suspicious
1021071;1424107349;mircea_popescu;nubbins` our options are, 1) two buck a can items are made with the cheapest possible thing and 2) two buck a can items are made with expensive medicine, because there's a conspiracy to keep kids entertained while they can't legally as much as buy a drink.
1021072;1424107365;Adlai;3) mircea_popescu is trolling nubbins`
1021073;1424107370;nubbins`;no kidding
1021074;1424107374;mircea_popescu;that goes without saying bitch! :D
1021075;1424107383;nubbins`;anyway
1021076;1424107387;Adlai;yeah but nubbins` seems set on convincing you, rather than trolling along...
1021077;1424107393;mircea_popescu;he's half and half.
1021078;1424107394;nubbins`;Adlai it's one of my failings
1021079;1424107409;mircea_popescu;he was more like 80/20 when he was younger, but he learns.
1021080;1424107540;PeterL;my guess is that N2o is used because, like propane, it becomes liquid at reasonable pressures
1021081;1424107544;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4755 @ 0.00041067 = 1.9527 BTC [-]
1021082;1424107554;Adlai;now let's talk about how danielpbarron passed off diethyl ether as moonshine
1021083;1424107568;nubbins`;fun fact, cooking sprays generally use propane/butane
1021084;1424107591;nubbins`;if you're quick, you can spray some into your mouth and breathe fire
1021085;1424107605;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 53645 @ 0.00042221 = 22.6495 BTC [+]
1021086;1424107610;nubbins`;if you're slow, you get a terrible, terrible taste in your mouth without any neat flames
1021087;1424107622;nubbins`;and cooking spray spit all over your house.
1021088;1424107633;nubbins`;at least, that's what i hear.
1021089;1424107643;mircea_popescu;PeterL what's n2 ?
1021090;1424107659;PeterL;n2? nitrogen?
1021091;1424107680;PeterL;it's a gas
1021092;1424107681;danielpbarron;Adlai, wah? no i didn't
1021093;1424107698;Adlai;:P
1021094;1424107703;danielpbarron;we didn't drink the stuff; we huffed it through a rag
1021095;1424107739;Adlai;did it make you helpless and depraved?
1021096;1424107750;danielpbarron;NO! totally overrated!
1021097;1424107752;mircea_popescu;yes nitrogen. what temp i mean
1021098;1424107755;mircea_popescu;to have a comparison
1021099;1424107768;nubbins`;mircea_popescu, Adlai: in fact, you need 2x the amount of pressure to keep n2 liquid.
1021100;1424107772;nubbins`;so... suck it. ;/
1021101;1424107788;mircea_popescu;yeah, because totally, pressure is unavailable industrially. nobody ever used 2x the pressure to save on 90% the c ost.
1021102;1424107789;*;Adlai sucks in n2, and lets it out
1021103;1424107791;PeterL;not temp, pressure is what is important here, I am looking it up, just give me a sec...
1021104;1424107793;mircea_popescu;at least not prior to 1720
1021105;1424107803;Adlai;danielpbarron: i guess it's lost popularity for good reason
1021106;1424107827;nubbins`;totally, it's the same cost to make a vessel resistant to twice the pressure. 8)
1021107;1424107833;nubbins`;those fools!
1021108;1424107858;nubbins`;nevermind that you're literally rupturing the canisters with a fuckin spike
1021109;1424107882;mircea_popescu;shut up and let the chemist investigate
1021110;1424107888;mircea_popescu;fucking lobbist!!11 THIS IS SCIENCE
1021111;1424107907;PeterL;critical point for nitrogen is only 125 K, critical point for n2o is about 35 K
1021112;1424107909;nubbins`;oh hi, the rest of freenode
1021113;1424107930;mircea_popescu;PeterL that does anything you figure ?
1021114;1424107934;Adlai;trivia: n2o and n2 were both isolated in the same year, by different chemists. i hope they had a shitfest over who had really isolated nitrogen before realizing they were distinct compounds :D
1021115;1424107935;ben_vulpes;welcome back nubbins`
1021116;1424107938;ben_vulpes;i missed ya
1021117;1424107943;nubbins`;i think this is the second time mp tried to tell me my subective experience was incorrect
1021118;1424107951;mircea_popescu;Adlai they totally did actually, if i recall my biographies correctly.
1021119;1424107952;nubbins`;also the second time i took the bait ;(
1021120;1424107955;nubbins`;feelsbad.png
1021121;1424107961;PeterL;yeah, that means at room temperature you can have liquid n2o, but not liquid n2
1021122;1424107964;mircea_popescu;nubbins` clearly this would be because... your subjective experience... is ...
1021123;1424107973;nubbins`;an affront to your ego
1021124;1424107977;nubbins`;XD
1021125;1424107979;mircea_popescu;PeterL 125 is not quite room temp. more like 273.15
1021126;1424108000;PeterL;right
1021127;1424108022;mircea_popescu;you can have solid fucking hydrogen at room temp if you push it hard enough
1021128;1424108026;PeterL;room temperature is much higher than n2's critical point, but below the critical point of n2o
1021129;1424108043;mircea_popescu;125 and 35 K are both under 0 C ?
1021130;1424108056;PeterL;oops, I meant 35 C for n2o
1021131;1424108056;nubbins`;hm
1021132;1424108068;nubbins`;all the whipped cream is probably using elemental hydrogen as a propellant, then.
1021133;1424108072;nubbins`;it's cheaper, obvs
1021134;1424108074;mircea_popescu;yeah, good idea, mix K and C that'll result in clarity :D
1021135;1424108088;mircea_popescu;nubbins` nah it'll hydrolize teh vegetal fats
1021136;1424108093;nubbins`;who cares?
1021137;1424108094;Adlai;no, it'll result in a bunch of wildly angry cokeheads
1021138;1424108095;nubbins`;it's just kids
1021139;1424108116;PeterL;h2 would probly need a catalyst to do anything to your fat
1021140;1424108131;danielpbarron;maybe there's something to what MP is saying; I can get pretty high from holding my breath while standing up suddenly
1021141;1424108133;mircea_popescu;who ythe fuck knows what's in there tho
1021142;1424108136;nubbins`;i know N2H used to be common for this purpose.
1021143;1424108138;*;mircea_popescu loathes canned cream.
1021144;1424108148;nubbins`;danielpbarron FWIW this is completely different from n2o buzz 8)
1021145;1424108159;mircea_popescu;danielpbarron you don't say. try it while ejaculating suddenly sometime.
1021146;1424108159;nubbins`;scroll up, i've passed out from both and can compare
1021147;1424108165;danielpbarron;lol
1021148;1424108203;nubbins`;bbl things
1021149;1424108211;nubbins`;oh also if any of you are into birds
1021150;1424108220;nubbins`;we have a new batch of books done up
1021151;1424108235;mircea_popescu;birds as in women ?
1021152;1424108243;nubbins`;http://patrick-canning-ppkq.squarespace.com/birdsofnewfoundland/birds-of-newfoundland
1021153;1424108245;assbot;Birds Of Newfoundland — PATRICK THOMAS CANNING ... ( http://bit.ly/1AJz9vG )
1021154;1424108248;nubbins`;birds as in, of a feather
1021155;1424108260;nubbins`;what is this, london in 1960? :D
1021156;1424108267;nubbins`;crikey mate
1021157;1424108271;nubbins`;this bird's gone all uh
1021158;1424108278;mircea_popescu;o hey
1021159;1424108278;*;nubbins` grasps
1021160;1424108293;nubbins`;women's lib-y
1021161;1424108295;nubbins`;or something
1021162;1424108300;Adlai;wodehousian?
1021163;1424108304;nubbins`;there ya go
1021164;1424108324;Adlai;pronounced "wood house in", of course
1021165;1424108330;nubbins`;also MFW i realized the "machismo" of north america in film, tv, commercials, etc etc was a response to second-wave feminism
1021166;1424108343;nubbins`;in the 70s
1021167;1424108349;nubbins`;anyway bbl
1021168;1424108361;nubbins`;neckbeards gonna neckbeard
1021169;1424108440;mircea_popescu;i don't really think "2nd wave" feminism was ever important enough to engender noticeable reaction.
1021170;1424108460;mircea_popescu;obviously current fem derps would very much like to think so, mostly because it involves people they like to promote.
1021171;1424108493;PeterL;so to finalize where I was going, since n2o goes through the gas/liquid transition you can squish much more into the can at a reasonable pressure than n2, and so you get fluffier cream when it comes out of the can. n2 whipped cream would not be fluffy.
1021172;1424108534;Adlai;and it gets you high. who doesn't like products with dual market appeal!
1021173;1424108537;mircea_popescu;i can see it.
1021174;1424108586;mircea_popescu;i guess this drama's dried up, need to move on to something else to keep the btc price up.
1021175;1424108593;PeterL;has nothing to do with solubilizing in the cream
1021176;1424108601;mircea_popescu;how about "I am blocking you due to your association with a argentinian ass bag named MirceaPopescu who has stolen the personal information of many people on fet life and posted it to a web site."
1021177;1424108633;mircea_popescu;my dream is that at some future point two groups of people will beat each other up to cries of "the asshole's a romanian gypsy!" "no he's an argentinian commie!"
1021178;1424108654;Adlai;actually it's a lot worse, he's part of BITCOIN
1021179;1424108676;mircea_popescu;HE FORKED BITCOIN INTO STAYING THE SAME!
1021180;1424108681;PeterL;so mircea_popescu, when are you going to start pushing up the bitcoin price so you can win the berkshire bet?
1021181;1424108700;mircea_popescu;that soudns too much like work.
1021182;1424108712;Adlai;after he's done betting enough that he also wins the billion dollar bet bet
1021183;1424108714;PeterL;have your slaves do it for you?
1021184;1424108715;mircea_popescu;if my work self wins the bet, then that's not really the real me winning
1021185;1424108726;mircea_popescu;i want to win by itself!
1021186;1424108796;Adlai;it's not Work if it pays out in Virtual Currency
1021187;1424108850;mircea_popescu;that's a theory...
1021188;1424108853;PeterL;the only work worth doing is the kind that pays out in bitcoin
1021189;1424108875;ben_vulpes;have we done exercise strategies yet?
1021190;1424108918;ben_vulpes;or macronutrient ratios?
1021191;1424108924;ben_vulpes;lots of lulz and drama to be had there.
1021192;1424108928;mircea_popescu;speaking of macronutrients, http://38.media.tumblr.com/02a5dae6f2717b6f017869b0f09290cf/tumblr_n7gk41YjaL1snq5aro1_400.gif
1021193;1424108930;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1AJBV47 )
1021194;1424108943;ben_vulpes;heh great
1021195;1424108950;ben_vulpes;lady v loved cunt-in-a-box btw
1021196;1424108969;mircea_popescu;haha cool.
1021197;1424109571;PeterL;!up xuthus
1021198;1424109588;xuthus; \o/
1021199;1424110475;mircea_popescu;mike_c http://thetarpit.org/posts/y01/031-bitcoin-as-infrastructure-iv.html#fn1 << check it out, you had at least one fad!
1021200;1424110477;assbot;The Tar Pit - Bitcoin as infrastructure [iv] ... ( http://bit.ly/1AJHIGY )
1021201;1424110477;mircea_popescu;fan*
1021202;1424110516;mike_c;oh, wow.  that's cool :)
1021203;1424110532;mike_c;i take back everything i ever said about footnotes.
1021204;1424110544;mircea_popescu;hahaha
1021205;1424110706;mircea_popescu;http://41.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_mecsighbsW1ql6862o1_1280.jpg << you can now buy medieval torture devices.
1021206;1424110707;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1AJIAeu )
1021207;1424110713;mircea_popescu;much better quality than ximenez ever had.
1021208;1424110777;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 44150 @ 0.00042221 = 18.6406 BTC [+]
1021209;1424111143;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17151 @ 0.00040839 = 7.0043 BTC [-]
1021210;1424111261;xuthus;mircea you are sick...
1021211;1424111357;mircea_popescu;right now ?
1021212;1424111415;mircea_popescu;lol
1021213;1424111416;mircea_popescu;!up xuthus
1021214;1424111453;xuthus;yep right now with your toy images
1021215;1424111488;mircea_popescu;i didn'ty make it!
1021216;1424111511;mircea_popescu;i merely report. to inform and entertain! im thye fucking gray lady over here.
1021217;1424111579;xuthus;then you are forgiven
1021218;1424111936;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 37450 @ 0.00042221 = 15.8118 BTC [+]
1021219;1424112991;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: can only speak for my case, but yes, the culinary shops sell NO2. where i live - in small cylinders approx. the size of a shotgun shell. i know full well which gas it is, because my sole use of it is in a miniature cutting torch.
1021220;1424113029;mircea_popescu;aha!
1021221;1424113046;mircea_popescu;so war on drugs that are powders ? gases are ok ?
1021222;1424113052;mircea_popescu;unrelated lulz : http://thelastpsychiatrist.com/2007/04/inflammable_means_flammable_wh.html#comment-39883
1021223;1424113053;assbot;The Last Psychiatrist: "Inflammable Means Flammable? What A Country!" ... ( http://bit.ly/1CBlB1K )
1021224;1424113105;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: laughers can get all the laughing gas they could wish for, yes. i often see these bottles - emptied - lying on the kerb, fallen out of upturned student house dumpsters.
1021225;1424113110;mircea_popescu;whoops... in which we find tlp has 75% fewer comments than trilema over twice the period ? this sucks.
1021226;1424113165;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform if i lived there i'd prep my girls with a literful of it in the rectum before going to a student party in one opf those cramped apts like they do.
1021227;1424113195;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: for all i know, this is precisely how it is used.
1021228;1424113212;mircea_popescu;kinda discretely fart while standing, right in the face of seated ppl.
1021229;1424113433;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: and n2o not no2
1021230;1424113496;mircea_popescu;right, no2 can't even exist.
1021231;1424113622;mircea_popescu;also useful, http://38.media.tumblr.com/00984e56d18f885fdaa213761577a56f/tumblr_mlvpd4F8jh1rvhqkto1_250.gif
1021232;1424113623;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1vQ1gsQ )
1021233;1424114011;ben_vulpes;<mircea_popescu> so war on drugs that are powders ? gases are ok ? << don't forget plants
1021234;1424114074;thestringpuller;ben_vulpes: likes plants
1021235;1424114078;thestringpuller;i kno i do
1021236;1424114083;ben_vulpes;slander!
1021237;1424114100;thestringpuller;:( i thought we were bff ben_vulpes
1021238;1424114129;thestringpuller;I was gonna visit you up in the great NW when I was out in SF in March since its a train ride away.
1021239;1424114140;thestringpuller;I guess no beers.
1021240;1424114156;ben_vulpes;still can if you want to
1021241;1424114158;ben_vulpes;just...slander
1021242;1424114329;thestringpuller;so you don't like plants? I knew you were a 100% carnivore.
1021243;1424114354;thestringpuller;forks! not knives!
1021244;1424114366;asciilifeform;'medieval' pear << a gear puller is almost precisely a pear. visit a bicyclist's shop.
1021245;1424114377;mircea_popescu;;;google Frederick Davidson, 36, grad student in engineering at San Diego State, shoots three professors at his dissertation defense.
1021246;1424114378;gribble;San Diego State University shooting - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/San_Diego_State_University_shooting>; Frederick Davidson | Murderpedia, the encyclopedia of murderers: <http://murderpedia.org/male.D/d/davidson-frederick-martin.htm>; 3 on San Diego State Faculty Fatally Shot - Los Angeles Times: <http://articles.latimes.com/1996-08-16/news (1 more message)
1021247;1424114384;mircea_popescu;talk about a fckin defense.
1021248;1424114398;mircea_popescu;;;google Dec. 6, 1989: Gamil Gharbi, 25, engineering student at the University of Montreal, kills 13 women and wounds others (he released the men.)
1021249;1424114400;gribble;The Last Psychiatrist: University Shootings: I'm Sure It's All Just A ...: <http://thelastpsychiatrist.com/2007/05/university_shootings_im_sure_i.html>
1021250;1424114406;mircea_popescu;nubbins` also 2nd wave reaction ?
1021251;1424114499;thestringpuller;mircea_popescu: this reminds me of d00d who attacked guy with a katana at Tech. << http://nique.net/news/2010/02/11/officials-release-sword-attack-details/
1021252;1424114520;mircea_popescu;dude so backward can't even get semis ?!
1021253;1424114724;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: close quarters, unskilled hands, unarmed target - blade has something to recommend itself over pistol
1021254;1424114864;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6500 @ 0.00040839 = 2.6545 BTC [-]
1021255;1424115665;mircea_popescu;the katana is strictly useful to the skilled hands.
1021256;1424115694;mircea_popescu;the ak-47... less strictly so.
1021257;1424115700;mircea_popescu;it was made for russians after all :D
1021258;1424115721;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: strictly... to the skilled hands << against bare flesh ?
1021259;1424115731;mircea_popescu;yes.
1021260;1424115750;mircea_popescu;(for instace : it's trivial to get a blade stuck. say in the rib cage.
1021261;1424115757;mircea_popescu;also trivial to break it, say in the lumbar spine.
1021262;1424115777;mircea_popescu;etc etc. one who's never butchered - say game - doth not readily feel the difficulty of the problem)
1021263;1424115821;mircea_popescu;but anyway, humans aren't "bare flesh" in the sense of, overgrown squid. it's really quite well designed a mechanical apparatus. not least designed to... withstand swords.
1021264;1424115824;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: perhaps the ancient art of 'sword test' will be revived one day.
1021265;1424115869;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: lol, anybody with a kitchen knows that 'meat' isn't strictly flesh, yes
1021266;1424116007;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform yes except one pound of prime rib is a) one pound rather than one hundred - and quantity has a quality all of its own - for instance it won't likely spit blood in your eyes ; b) already intensively prepared. for instance ? skin removed.
1021267;1424116034;mircea_popescu;a large part of the problem is similar to why you can't shoot fish worth a crap. skin, muscle, fatand bone have widely variant refractive indexes.
1021268;1424116205;PeterL;mircea_popescu:right, no2 can't even exist. << does exist http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nitrogen_dioxide "reddish-brown toxic gas has a characteristic sharp, biting odor and is a prominent air pollutant."
1021269;1424116207;assbot;Nitrogen dioxide - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ... ( http://bit.ly/1AeZErd )
1021270;1424116276;mircea_popescu;jesus my chemistry's totally forgotten.
1021271;1424116305;PeterL;don't worry, you have me to correct you :)
1021272;1424116325;mircea_popescu;http://36.media.tumblr.com/41c9f07f7468fc09605f0698ad415ca6/tumblr_mos7vz0RqF1rlxsb8o1_1280.jpg have a pretty blonde with impossible tits as your just reward.
1021273;1424116327;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1Af00xU )
1021274;1424116332;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: there is a very entertaining comic book (yes) titled 'samurai executioner', about the life and times of a (loosely historic) fella who famously specialized in testing swords on whole bodies (alive and dead).
1021275;1424116348;PeterL;would be funny if some derp snorted NO2 instead of N2O
1021276;1424116374;mircea_popescu;they'd choke
1021277;1424116383;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: i learned of it from ilkka kokkarinen. despite the format, worth the evening or two to read.
1021278;1424116393;PeterL;right, not funny for them, funny for us watching
1021279;1424116427;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform unrelatedly, can you imagine that fetlife rebelled, and banned my... acount. but not the ip. i'm still in shock over the fact.
1021280;1424116446;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: lulziez
1021281;1424116448;mircea_popescu;sometimes i wonder if the internet itself shouldn't have a bus factor.
1021282;1424116472;mircea_popescu;ie, osama killed off the us simply by flying a bomb disguised as a plane into the us financial nerve center disguised asa building.
1021283;1424116491;mircea_popescu;is the next nut going to end the internet by killing 5k anon people that were 99.x% of all the people who understood how it works ?
1021284;1424116526;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: i suspect that 'grandfather time' has already clobbered most of'em
1021285;1424116540;mircea_popescu;well, yes. because in 1970 there were like 100k.
1021286;1424116545;mircea_popescu;down to 5k. like the bitcoin nodes.
1021287;1424116563;mircea_popescu;"all is fine, don't worry, throw LOCs by the thousand million, because it's like a truck, it can hold anything
1021288;1424116581;mircea_popescu;and it's worth doing it for your idiotic "national interests" of trying to hide useful bugs in the morass"
1021289;1424116607;mircea_popescu;in short : once sociopathology is identified, it's god damned everywhere.
1021290;1424116607;PeterL;and it makes work for derpy coders
1021291;1424116614;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: speaking of which, gnat built and functions on another box (presently i lack the time to investigate why, but will eventually say)
1021292;1424116620;mircea_popescu;PeterL who all rely on an ununderstood externality.
1021293;1424116678;mircea_popescu;PeterL for some reason i had thought N is trivalent and somehow this made n2o possible but no2 impossible
1021294;1424116683;mircea_popescu;i guess esther n link
1021295;1424116699;mircea_popescu;or how do you call the double link again ?
1021296;1424116707;PeterL;double bond?
1021297;1424116710;mircea_popescu;yes.
1021298;1424116723;mircea_popescu;like acetylene, what's that ?
1021299;1424116739;PeterL;well, there are plenty of compounds that don't have perfect octets for all the atoms
1021300;1424116773;mircea_popescu;ok but generally two hydrocarbons united by a double link at some point are called something no ?
1021301;1424116791;PeterL;ethylene
1021302;1424116792;mircea_popescu;alkyne
1021303;1424116796;PeterL;alkene
1021304;1424116798;mircea_popescu;ok
1021305;1424116803;PeterL;alkyne has triple bond
1021306;1424116819;mircea_popescu;erryday i's learn things i used to know.
1021307;1424117293;thestringpuller;mircea_popescu: this is how I feel when I listen to your stories MP.
1021308;1424117322;thestringpuller;This channel reminds me of someone holding court.
1021309;1424117427;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23773 @ 0.00042221 = 10.0372 BTC [+]
1021310;1424117524;PeterL;thestringpuller: expound on the court idea?
1021311;1424117767;thestringpuller;So I guess I visualize the IRC channel as a bunch of people huddled in some large beautiful room. A new person enters and one of the lords is like "you have permission to speak, what have you?" Which reminds me of congregations of days of old.
1021312;1424118163;PeterL;zxs,;2ow[4f6latyrews/qsjde;iuop['f[p
1021313;1424118173;PeterL;ack! 3yo atacking keyboard
1021314;1424118230;mircea_popescu;hello precocious 3yo. signatures already ?
1021315;1424118231;Adlai;Which reminds me of congregations of days of old. << except our doormen are robots
1021316;1424118295;thestringpuller;lol. I can't wait til a large crypto company is left to a precocious 3yo.
1021317;1424118305;PeterL;and there is not one king at the throne, it is more like a council, or the greek forum
1021318;1424118306;thestringpuller;"I want toys. Lets build toys."
1021319;1424118456;thestringpuller;PeterL: it's more feudal IMO than those examples, but same gist of things.
1021320;1424119528;mircea_popescu;the lulz thickens http://trilema.com/2015/sooo-fetlife-is-butthurt/
1021321;1424119529;assbot;Sooo... FetLife is butthurt. pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.  ... ( http://bit.ly/1FjCxA1 )
1021322;1424119740;ben_vulpes;i just tried to share a folder from one mac to another
1021323;1424119747;ben_vulpes;functionality that's worked for what, a decade?
1021324;1424119748;ben_vulpes;fucking nothing.
1021325;1424119760;ben_vulpes;i can see the guy's laptop, can't even open the "dropbox".
1021326;1424119767;ben_vulpes;he can't even see mine from his machine.
1021327;1424119770;ben_vulpes;good job apple.
1021328;1424119775;mircea_popescu;apple just works neh ?
1021329;1424119776;ben_vulpes;way to break functionality that's just worked.
1021330;1424119780;PeterL;does he have sharing enabled on his machine?
1021331;1424119789;ben_vulpes;PeterL: i'm pretty savvy with the os x shit.
1021332;1424119793;ben_vulpes;sharing is on.
1021333;1424119794;ben_vulpes;on mine as well.
1021334;1424119808;ben_vulpes;the amusing thing is how their "airdrop" shit doesn't work either.
1021335;1424119821;ben_vulpes;.1 btc sez it's because i refuse to upgrade to 10.10
1021336;1424119835;mircea_popescu;im not taking that.
1021337;1424119881;PeterL;I am still on 10.5, I don't know anything about the new versions
1021338;1424119984;ben_vulpes;PeterL: kudos to you
1021339;1424119996;ben_vulpes;i dismiss the upgrade notification each and ev-er-y day.
1021340;1424120014;PeterL;not like I did it on purpose, now I can't get any new software
1021341;1424120054;thestringpuller;airdrop is iffy
1021342;1424120368;thestringpuller;ben_vulpes: Yosemite is the best upgrade evah tho
1021343;1424120372;thestringpuller;that Hand-Off
1021344;1424120382;thestringpuller;and SMS in iMessage for iPhone users
1021345;1424120713;scoopbot;New post on Trilema by Mircea Popescu: http://trilema.com/2015/sooo-fetlife-is-butthurt/
1021346;1424120721;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 44118 @ 0.00041815 = 18.4479 BTC [-] {2} 
1021347;1424120746;mircea_popescu;o scoopy's back ?
1021348;1424120994;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: fetlife article << mega-lol!
1021349;1424121111;mircea_popescu;ya srsly.
1021350;1424121129;mircea_popescu;someone drop it on hn, maybe the folk are bored and looking for a rehash of 2005's internet politics ?
1021351;1424122413;ben_vulpes;reusable code means code you can copy and paste elsewhere in your codebase
1021352;1424123436;mircea_popescu;shoul;dn't that really be a function/object/we ?
1021353;1424123520;mircea_popescu;"Taking Iraq and President Bush as starting points, and examining the defense mechanisms we use to cope with both, yields the unsurprising conclusion that we are  a society of narcissists.
1021354;1424123520;mircea_popescu;While this discovery is familiar to readers of my blog, what might be a surprise is what this heralds for our society politically and economically.  It isn't socialism, or even communism, as I had feared.  It's feudalism.  It's not 2007. It's 1066."
1021355;1424123541;mircea_popescu;http://thelastpsychiatrist.com/2007/05/the_wrong_lessons_of_iraq.html << guy knew about 5 years before me.
1021356;1424123542;assbot;The Last Psychiatrist: The Wrong Lessons Of Iraq ... ( http://bit.ly/1FjTOsI )
1021357;1424123604;thestringpuller;ben_vulpes: wish I had bashed that.
1021358;1424123956;mircea_popescu;http://www.fairfaxunderground.com/forum/file.php?40,file=30897,filename=dre_burning_man.jpg << lol ?
1021359;1424123957;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1FjVzX9 )
1021360;1424124053;thestringpuller;holy shit if that's real that's fucking hilarious
1021361;1424124101;thestringpuller;"Wish I was up in that ass."
1021362;1424124120;thestringpuller;I'm totally signing emails to my girl that way for now on.
1021363;1424124207;nubbins`;heh
1021364;1424124214;mircea_popescu;from what i gather dr dre invented the modern, commercial burning man
1021365;1424124225;mircea_popescu;ianae, maybe im being trolled.
1021366;1424124381;nubbins`;just maybe
1021367;1424124405;nubbins`;oh, my pogoplug arrived today!
1021368;1424124406;nubbins`;so tiny
1021369;1424124424;mircea_popescu;thjey're small aren't they
1021370;1424124686;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 45448 @ 0.00040944 = 18.6082 BTC [-] {2} 
1021371;1424124822;pete_dushenski;shkoop: http://www.contravex.com/2015/02/16/shame-them-beat-them-parent-them/
1021372;1424124823;assbot;Shame them, beat them, parent them. | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski ... ( http://bit.ly/1yNRhiv )
1021373;1424124910;pete_dushenski;"Nobody’s really talking about it, but I suspect this is a wider trend: blogs aren’t dying, but they are significantly declining. 2015 might be a rough year."
1021374;1424124983;pete_dushenski;uhuh right
1021375;1424125011;pete_dushenski;i'm sure that using someone else's platform is "just as good"
1021376;1424125049;pete_dushenski;and that shallow splashes in the kiddy pool are going to replace the ocean.
1021377;1424125296;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 3155 @ 0.00075 = 2.3663 BTC [+]
1021378;1424125601;mircea_popescu;o ya, im sure lol.
1021379;1424125690;mircea_popescu;course it's fairly obvious who would be claiming that, and why.
1021380;1424125694;ben_vulpes;<mircea_popescu> shoul;dn't that really be a function/object/we ? << being a bit sarcastic here boss
1021381;1424125698;mircea_popescu;gotta prop up that whatsap pool
1021382;1424125701;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes oh kk
1021383;1424125712;pete_dushenski;lol yup
1021384;1424125715;ben_vulpes;found thirty lines copied 3 times each
1021385;1424125718;ben_vulpes;variable names changed
1021386;1424125722;ben_vulpes;comment blocks left unchanged
1021387;1424125726;ben_vulpes;oh the life of a webdev monkey
1021388;1424125906;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 50950 @ 0.000421 = 21.45 BTC [+] {2} 
1021389;1424125927;pete_dushenski;"The U.S. National Security Agency has figured out how to hide spying software deep within hard drives made by Western Digital, Seagate, Toshiba and other top manufacturers, giving the agency the means to eavesdrop on the majority of the world's computers"
1021390;1424126178;mircea_popescu;lols
1021391;1424126180;pete_dushenski;"It is not clear how the NSA may have obtained the hard drives' source code. Western Digital spokesman Steve Shattuck said the company "has not provided its source code to government agencies." The other hard drive makers would not say if they had shared their source code with the NSA. "
1021392;1424126199;mircea_popescu;derp.
1021393;1424126214;pete_dushenski;ya another wound for the nsa
1021394;1424126240;pete_dushenski;and anyone doing business with the americans
1021395;1424126272;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23500 @ 0.00042221 = 9.9219 BTC [+]
1021396;1424126284;danielpbarron;a hard drive has source code?
1021397;1424126295;mircea_popescu;well they run something on the embedded chips.
1021398;1424126295;pete_dushenski;the firmware for it does
1021399;1424126420;Adlai;my hard drives have tons of source code!
1021400;1424126486;Adlai;is it that hard to imagine that nsa doesn't need the manufacturers' text source to backdoor their drives!?
1021401;1424126557;Adlai;and even if they did, it's probably faster for them to steal it than ask nicely (not that the latter wouldn't work... it just takes time and paperwork)
1021402;1424126592;mircea_popescu;how does the diddled source end up on the hdds ?
1021403;1424126712;pete_dushenski;The group used a variety of means to spread other spying programs, such as by compromising jihadist websites, infecting USB sticks and CDs, and developing a self-spreading computer worm called Fanny, Kasperky said.
1021404;1424126712;pete_dushenski;Fanny was like Stuxnet in that it exploited two of the same undisclosed software flaws, known as "zero days," which strongly suggested collaboration by the authors,
1021405;1424126727;Adlai;i'm not this kind of 'hacker', but i gather that if you have root access to the computer, you can send arbitrary bits down the bus connected to the hdd
1021406;1424126728;pete_dushenski;from the article: http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/02/16/us-usa-cyberspying-idUSKBN0LK1QV20150216
1021407;1424126729;assbot;      Russian researchers expose breakthrough U.S. spying program| Reuters ... ( http://bit.ly/1DzqH2G )
1021408;1424126760;mircea_popescu;Adlai yes, but that does not necessarily replace the firmware.
1021409;1424126763;mircea_popescu;if it did... think about it.
1021410;1424126796;Adlai;http://spritesmods.com/?art=hddhack&page=3
1021411;1424126797;assbot;Sprites mods - Hard disk hacking - Hooking up JTAG ... ( http://bit.ly/1DzqV9Y )
1021412;1424126798;PeterL;thestringpuller: I figured out why your blog was killing scoopbot: there is no author field included
1021413;1424126851;mircea_popescu;yes but you gotta hook the jtags...
1021414;1424126871;punkman;the hdd manufacturers publish firmware updaters
1021415;1424126890;mircea_popescu;that work off the data bus ?
1021416;1424126897;punkman;pretty sure
1021417;1424126917;mircea_popescu;that's pretty dumb eh.
1021418;1424126925;Adlai;sorry, this one: http://spritesmods.com/?art=hddhack&page=6 "The Western Digital firmware upgrade tools proves this is possible: it's basically a tool you run under DOS to put new firmware to both the flash and the service area aka the reserved sectors of the hard disk."
1021419;1424126926;assbot;Sprites mods - Hard disk hacking - Software flashing ... ( http://bit.ly/1Dzrb8W )
1021420;1424126954;punkman;http://knowledge.seagate.com/articles/en_US/FAQ/207931en
1021421;1424126958;assbot;Firmware Updates for Seagate Products ... ( http://bit.ly/1Dzrgt6 )
1021422;1424126971;punkman;"Until recently, firmware updates for typical desktop and laptop  computers were difficult and somewhat risky. This situation, in part,  was based on a lack of friendly firmware download tools and operating  system limitations. This situation has improved and Seagate now offers  firmware updates as a routine matter for the general support of your  Seagate drive."
1021423;1424127026;mircea_popescu;i can not begin to conceive how this is an improvement.
1021424;1424127027;pete_dushenski;PeterL: same with my articles then ? author needed ?
1021425;1424127053;Adlai;improvement... because the ceo gets fewer phone calls from usg
1021426;1424127054;PeterL;no pete_dushenski, I still don't know why yours are failing
1021427;1424127065;pete_dushenski;lolk
1021428;1424127070;Adlai;they can backdoor the drive without the ceo having to patch usg through to the cto
1021429;1424127081;pete_dushenski;let this go down in history as a great mystery
1021430;1424127107;Adlai;it's because PeterL doesn't beat scoopbot in public, instead berating the authors
1021431;1424127108;pete_dushenski;like why suleiman didn't try to conquer vienna again
1021432;1424127118;pete_dushenski;Adlai: ha!
1021433;1424127132;pete_dushenski;give scoopbot an old man haircut
1021434;1424127147;pete_dushenski;teach that indignant fuck who's boss
1021435;1424127238;Adlai;spraying water on a puppy's face works wonders, has anybody tried that with brats?
1021436;1424127293;PeterL;I sprayed my cat a couple times to keep her from walking on the dining room table, never tried it with my kids
1021437;1424127312;Adlai;you managed to train a cat!?
1021438;1424127341;Adlai;they must not make them like they used to
1021439;1424127342;mircea_popescu;it's generally better to talk to children
1021440;1424127344;PeterL;well, "train" as in she does not do that one thing which I liked least
1021441;1424127352;Adlai;where is mircea_popescu and what have you done with him!?
1021442;1424127358;mircea_popescu;lol
1021443;1424127367;PeterL;who here has the most kids?
1021444;1424127424;mircea_popescu;you and mike_c  have each one afaik, that being teh record.
1021445;1424127427;pete_dushenski;cazalla has a pair iirc
1021446;1424127429;PeterL;I only have 3 so far
1021447;1424127434;mircea_popescu;cazalla only 1 no ?
1021448;1424127453;pete_dushenski;you're probably right
1021449;1424127461;pete_dushenski;3 takes the cake then
1021450;1424127465;mircea_popescu;only 3 ? dude, you kidding, you're the guy the biological survival of the english speaking world relies on if you have 3. what only/
1021451;1424127493;cazalla;i only have the 1
1021452;1424127496;PeterL;well, only as in I might have more later, and two of my siblings have more than me
1021453;1424127499;cazalla;first and last
1021454;1424127512;mircea_popescu;is it fun ?
1021455;1424127515;pete_dushenski;cazalla: lol colour me shocked
1021456;1424127533;cazalla;it can be lots of fun
1021457;1424127536;PeterL;making kids is fun
1021458;1424127544;Adlai;there should be #bitcoin-asslings with hand-held log readings and condescension seminars
1021459;1424127566;mike_c;i have 1.5
1021460;1424127580;cazalla;pete_dushenski, how do you feel about actually letting the little shits in the playground run amok so that you can gauge how much of a pussy your own kids are if they don't stand up to him?
1021461;1424127580;PeterL;how do you have half a kid?
1021462;1424127584;mike_c;bun in the oven
1021463;1424127626;mircea_popescu;PeterL is this due to some sort of religious belief or just personal preference ?
1021464;1424127653;PeterL;religious belief? more of a cultural thing
1021465;1424127667;pete_dushenski;cazalla: not sure that would determine my kids' pussiness one way or another
1021466;1424127681;pete_dushenski;it may be energetically cheaper to ignore the tard
1021467;1424127693;cazalla;pete_dushenski, well he is either going to turn around and smack the other kid upside the head or allow another kid to hen peck him
1021468;1424127701;PeterL;but yes, a few families at church bigger than mine
1021469;1424127713;pete_dushenski;cazalla: or move to the other side of the playground
1021470;1424127723;pete_dushenski;or ask to go home
1021471;1424127728;cazalla;pete_dushenski, or smash the kid and have him move instead
1021472;1424127737;pete_dushenski;sure
1021473;1424127765;cazalla;i am inclined to let kids sort out their own drama anyway, turns out they usually end up friends by the next day anyway
1021474;1424127766;pete_dushenski;i'm not advocating for helicoptering
1021475;1424127781;pete_dushenski;cazalla: i could see that
1021476;1424127788;pete_dushenski;as many relationships start
1021477;1424127804;pete_dushenski;guy teases girl, they end up dating, etc
1021478;1424127870;cazalla;well, that's more teenagers
1021479;1424127910;Adlai;anybody read perez's "Technological Revolutions and Financial Capital" ?
1021480;1424127912;cazalla;as i see it, the problems begin when parents/teachers get involved and start teaching the kids it is better to seek out an adult to deal with the bully than hit back and sort it out yourself
1021481;1424127923;Adlai;oh we're discussing Ender's Dilemma now
1021482;1424127932;mircea_popescu;cazalla that's kinda how it goes yes.
1021483;1424127945;mike_c;physically fighting bullies has a short lifespan.  when you get to high school they get a lot stronger.
1021484;1424128015;cazalla;mike_c, that's what friends are for, real friends, the ones with balls, the ones who will grab his arms from behind while you sock him a couple times
1021485;1424128033;cazalla;what do i know though, only went to naughty boys school for 6 months :P
1021486;1424128033;mike_c;hehe.  it's a strategy i suppose.
1021487;1424128530;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 61594 @ 0.00042542 = 26.2033 BTC [+] {3} 
1021488;1424128591;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 71750 @ 0.00043228 = 31.0161 BTC [+] {2} 
1021489;1424128677;PeterL;!up copumpkin
1021490;1424128774;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31700 @ 0.00043646 = 13.8358 BTC [+] {2} 
1021491;1424128836;cazalla;researching an article and you know what would be good? a wiki of bitcoin companies, who was involved, when they launched/closed etc etc, edited and maintained by a select few
1021492;1424128857;mike_c;somebody was doing that..
1021493;1424128867;mike_c;BingoBoingo: that was you!
1021494;1424129242;mircea_popescu;lol
1021495;1424129258;mircea_popescu;it would be good. if you have the time/energy, cazalla, it would work well as a companion to qntra.
1021496;1424129269;mircea_popescu;sort-of like that arrington thing worker, we its name was
1021497;1424129276;mike_c;crunchbase
1021498;1424129277;cazalla;crunchbase?
1021499;1424129279;mircea_popescu;right that.
1021500;1424129281;mircea_popescu;yup
1021501;1424129290;mircea_popescu;huge workload tho.
1021502;1424129301;thestringpuller;scoopbot /wind 12
1021503;1424129303;mike_c;smaller if it's crowdsourced
1021504;1424129321;mike_c;a million eyes makes everything easy!
1021505;1424129353;scoopbot;New post on Pull Your Own Strings: http://thestringpuller.tumblr.com/post/111222539949
1021506;1424129363;mike_c;but seriously, if there were an L2 editable repository (like the b-a wiki), I'm sure multiple people would contribute
1021507;1424129365;PeterL;aha, it worked!
1021508;1424129368;thestringpuller;:D
1021509;1424129403;BingoBoingo;mike_c: Pretty sure I threw in the towel because sources that needed consulted were threatening brain damage
1021510;1424129475;lobbes;So getting ZNC configured to use SSL ended up being a great 'introduction project' for learning some of the basics of linux. I would recommend to all the other n00bs out there
1021511;1424129550;cazalla;i actually like the idea, i might brainstorm some ideas and see what i come up with, start by cherring picking the easier topcis such as exchanges
1021512;1424129664;thestringpuller;pete_dushenski: Child soldiers make the best kids.
1021513;1424129688;pete_dushenski;i'll take your word for it ;)
1021514;1424129730;pete_dushenski;jokes aside, soldiers are obedient and dedicated
1021515;1424129752;pete_dushenski;they appreciate authority and understand hierarchy
1021516;1424129808;pete_dushenski;so i suppose child soldiers would make decent kids
1021517;1424130510;mircea_popescu;lobbes wd.
1021518;1424131824;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 39466 @ 0.00043797 = 17.2849 BTC [+] {2} 
1021519;1424131947;cazalla;anyone able to recommend wiki software?
1021520;1424132042;mircea_popescu;kakobrekla is using something on b-a wiki
1021521;1424132085;mike_c;why not just use the b-a wiki?  It already has limited editors.
1021522;1424132166;mike_c;unless it's meant as seo fodder for qntra i guess.
1021523;1424132214;scoopbot;New post on Qntra.net by cazalla: http://qntra.net/2015/02/netagio-to-close-bitcoin-exchange-in-favour-of-fiat/
1021524;1424132251;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 70900 @ 0.00043797 = 31.0521 BTC [+]
1021525;1424132254;cazalla;mike_c, that is specific to #b-a moreso than Bitcoin in general isn't it? and anyway, if i pursue this by myself in the short-mid term, it'll reflect on me instead of b-a website
1021526;1424132684;mike_c;it is specific to bitcoin assets, yes :)  History of bitcoin companies seems appropriate.  But I think it mostly depends on how much help you want.
1021527;1424132722;mike_c;If you want a bunch of people to contribute, the wiki is there.  If you basically want to do it yourself, then sure, put it wherever.
1021528;1424132764;mike_c;It certainly would tie in with qntra.
1021529;1424132937;mircea_popescu;http://33.media.tumblr.com/904ca035334c9b3ddba2959a6f7bbef7/tumblr_n7xwm8eVU11sgur0go1_400.gif
1021530;1424132941;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1DzMcAh )
1021531;1424132976;mircea_popescu;it could work as a wiki or as a category on qntra i ugess.
1021532;1424133025;thestringpuller;lol furries.
1021533;1424134618;BingoBoingo;Adlai: is it that hard to imagine that nsa doesn't need the manufacturers' text source to backdoor their drives!? << PC9000
1021534;1424134779;*;Adlai is too busy doing the victory dance to look this up... he now has two scalpls running in the same lisp image and they're not stepping on eachother's toes
1021535;1424134910;Adlai;last time i tried this, with a financier watching over my shoulder, his bot trod on mine, and after much wailing and gnashing of teeth, both irrevocably crashed... that was nearly 5 months ago. now it's working flawlessly :D
1021536;1424135606;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 55889 @ 0.00044511 = 24.8768 BTC [+] {2} 
1021537;1424135947;decimation;that netagio closing is amusing.  I wonder what the real story behind it is
1021538;1424135967;decimation;" Market share of Bitcoin trading globally continues to mirror Bitcoin adoption stages, with China leading the way with 67%, the US capturing 27% of all Bitcoin trading, the EU following with 2.5% and the UK with a stagnating 0.25%, mostly as a result of a lack of regulatory guidelines and UK banks withdrawing banking support from British Bitcoin businesses."
1021539;1424136018;mircea_popescu;lmao!
1021540;1424136027;decimation;if those numbers are correct, I wonder why europe is so low?
1021541;1424136033;mircea_popescu;mostly the result of shitty regulation environment and uk people being idiots.
1021542;1424136050;mircea_popescu;decimation europeans are by and large exactly like usians, ie, monolinguistic.
1021543;1424136058;mircea_popescu;with the added disadvantage that they speak obscure languages
1021544;1424136067;decimation;the goldmoney people (who invested in netagio) seem to know what they are doing
1021545;1424136090;decimation;'monolinguistic' in the sense that their opinion was fixed by harvard ca. 1945?
1021546;1424136099;mircea_popescu;tbh, that 67/27/2.5/0.25 thing pretty much exactly matches the map of real gdp
1021547;1424136116;mircea_popescu;no, in the sense that they simply do not know what happens if it wasn't written in hungarian
1021548;1424136142;decimation;I thought that most germans and french spoke english at least
1021549;1424136143;mircea_popescu;or w/e. danish
1021550;1424136154;mircea_popescu;well, most americans speak french
1021551;1424136165;decimation;heh, 'speak'
1021552;1424136166;mircea_popescu;at least if you mean "most of the people makin > 250k and living in a big city"
1021553;1424136203;decimation;but this very parochialism is why bitcoin ought to be attractive
1021554;1424136219;decimation;'maybe people outside hungary will use this new trade coin'
1021555;1424136333;decimation;well, at any rate I give the netagio people credit - they unwound in an orderly way when the business wasn't working out
1021556;1424136615;mircea_popescu;http://www.infobae.com/2015/02/16/1627076-puerto-madero-como-es-el-lugar-donde-encontraron-un-cadaver-incinerado
1021557;1424136616;assbot;Puerto Madero: cómo es el lugar donde encontraron un cadáver incinerado | La muerte de Nisman - Infobae ... ( http://bit.ly/1FUN7La )
1021558;1424136620;mircea_popescu;that's a new one
1021559;1424136796;decimation;the plaza of the women?
1021560;1424136848;mircea_popescu;yeh
1021561;1424136863;mircea_popescu;i actually walked by there, in the middle of teh night maybe a month or two ago ?
1021562;1424136874;mircea_popescu;but with naked rather than flaming woman in tow.
1021563;1424137265;asciilifeform;hdd firmware << 1) snore. revealed definitively in doc. ~month ago, http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=18-01-2015#981436 2) proven as concept in 'linux on hdd head controller' ~2 yrs ago 3) experimented with privately by numerous folks, incl. yours truly, for a few years before 4) mostly a snore, even the best hdd diddle falls down in a raid5 system
1021564;1424137265;assbot;Logged on 18-01-2015 04:50:24; asciilifeform: http://www.spiegel.de/media/media-35661.pdf << the document concerning specific doctored firmware
1021565;1424137535;mircea_popescu;i still don't see the wisdom of allowing diddling of firmware via data bus.
1021566;1424137543;asciilifeform;whizzdom
1021567;1424137569;mircea_popescu;yeah well...
1021568;1424137574;asciilifeform;and now that the multivendor diddlomatic is out, winblows users will get what they so persistently beg for
1021569;1424137584;asciilifeform;(by remaining winblows users, that is)
1021570;1424137605;asciilifeform;it'll be in every ring0 turd on the planet before the year's out, possibly.
1021571;1424137717;asciilifeform;(and yes, virtually all extant hdds are trivially reflashable.)
1021572;1424137786;asciilifeform;of the handful of vendors whose drives i have studied personally, not one used a signature scheme of any kind, for example
1021573;1424137798;asciilifeform;anyone who has ring0 on the box and can send raw ata cmds. can flash.
1021574;1424137830;BingoBoingo;Reflashing firmware is one of those things that should require a goat sacrifice. Fort Mead would smell better.
1021575;1424137843;asciilifeform;if there exists, somewhere, a maker of drives which demand signatures - usg is the first to get a copy of the key, to no one's great surprise
1021576;1424137864;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: what is the reason why it should not be a mask rom ?
1021577;1424137879;asciilifeform;i can see no legit reason to ship a drive with buggy firmware.
1021578;1424137901;asciilifeform;it is done, like the 'anal child' in mircea_popescu's essay, 'because they can get away with it'
1021579;1424137983;asciilifeform;(not news) usg really loves rc5 and rc6 as non-attributable stream ciphers
1021580;1424137989;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: No particular reason. Makes Data recovery stuff easier with PC9000. Also creates a market for that kind of data recovery when firmware makes drive shit the bed.
1021581;1424138020;asciilifeform;if these produce statistical anomalies (distinguishable from white noise) as rc4 is known to, this'd be a good avenue to search for 'mouse droppings' in the wild.
1021582;1424138229;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34400 @ 0.00044645 = 15.3579 BTC [+] {2} 
1021583;1424138311;decimation;re: diddling firmware via data bus << in band signaling strikes again
1021584;1424138339;asciilifeform;updatable via the bus for the same reason as everything else: so lusers can update from winblows
1021585;1424138359;asciilifeform;without even having to contemplate opening the chassis, in which, as is known, daemons live
1021586;1424138464;decimation;of course, the drive manufacturers couldn't put a switch or toggle on the front of the computer
1021587;1424138480;asciilifeform;It Would Be Wrong (TM)
1021588;1424138514;decimation;in a similar way that allowing the user to enter their own cryptography via a separate front panel would be wrong
1021589;1424138536;asciilifeform;^ specifically prohibited in the export control statute
1021590;1424138538;asciilifeform;by name.,
1021591;1424138547;decimation;gee I wonder why
1021592;1424138569;asciilifeform;'It is not clear how the NSA may have obtained the hard drives' source code.' << wtf
1021593;1424138573;asciilifeform;who needs the source?
1021594;1424138575;*;asciilifeform didn't
1021595;1424138590;BingoBoingo;So Free world chip foundries are what, 5 to 20 years out?
1021596;1424138591;decimation;asciilifeform: it's impossible to analyze the rom contents of a simple microcontroller
1021597;1424138615;asciilifeform;granted, some of the drives had weird variations on the usual themes (say, dual mips cores with oodles of proprietary coprocessor regs)
1021598;1424138622;asciilifeform;but nothing especially 'martian'
1021599;1424138638;decimation;hell I bet some of them have a flash chip sitting there
1021600;1424138646;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: unless you know something i don't, they're $maxint years out
1021601;1424138662;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: not even the theoretical basis for contemplating such a thing, presently exists.
1021602;1424138668;asciilifeform;decimation: most of'em.
1021603;1424138684;BingoBoingo;<decimation> asciilifeform: it's impossible to analyze the rom contents of a simple microcontroller << Once again PC9000. Russian product that basically lets anyone who can understand the interface su all over the hdd firmware.
1021604;1424138703;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: no need for weird winblows crapware
1021605;1424138712;decimation;yeah I was being sarcastic
1021606;1424138717;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 87744 @ 0.0004482 = 39.3269 BTC [+] {2} 
1021607;1424138717;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: connect a ttl-to-serial voltage converter to the convenient debug pins, and have at it
1021608;1424138742;asciilifeform;earlier today someone reposted the famous (~2yr.) link of demo where linux is installed on the head controller
1021609;1424138743;decimation;there are many ways to map machine code to assembly to pseudo-c
1021610;1424138765;asciilifeform;decimation: generally no one does this. folks read the asm straight
1021611;1424138773;decimation;'fits in head'
1021612;1424138779;asciilifeform;http://ep.yimg.com/ay/yhst-14437584971410/91401152-7.gif
1021613;1424138781;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1vQZ98c )
1021614;1424138784;asciilifeform;^ convenient illustration
1021615;1424138789;asciilifeform;pulled it straight out of arse
1021616;1424138837;asciilifeform;http://g04.s.alicdn.com/kf/HTB1aHXaGXXXXXbnXVXXq6xXFXXXr/201052183/HTB1aHXaGXXXXXbnXVXXq6xXFXXXr.jpg
1021617;1424138838;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1vQZd7T )
1021618;1424138839;asciilifeform;and $maxint more
1021619;1424138870;asciilifeform;read with what?
1021620;1424138873;asciilifeform;with one of these:
1021621;1424138873;asciilifeform;http://i.ebayimg.com/00/s/MTI4OVgxNjAw/z/lDUAAOxyRhBSs3Px/$_35.JPG
1021622;1424138875;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1vQZjwl )
1021623;1424138882;asciilifeform;^ useful household tool, everyone should own
1021624;1424138898;decimation;I would like to get a collection of 'chip clips'
1021625;1424138923;asciilifeform;used as such - https://farm9.static.flickr.com/8483/8250761184_8a3331953d.jpg
1021626;1424138924;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1vQZnfr )
1021627;1424138924;BingoBoingo;<asciilifeform> BingoBoingo: connect a ttl-to-serial voltage converter to the convenient debug pins, and have at it << PC9000 largely valued because drive plugs in to IDE or SATA ports in this ISA/(hopefully there's a PCI version by now) card. Boot to card. Diddle at leisure with curses interface. Most operations automated already.
1021628;1424139046;decimation;asciilifeform: what do you think the best method would be to semi-permanently attach a lead to an smt chip pin?  I tend to ruin the pad by soldering
1021629;1424139061;decimation;I wonder if there's like a little mini-clamp that you can affix to a pin
1021630;1424139243;asciilifeform;logic analyzers come with 'crocodiles' for single pins but no real use for high-pitched smt
1021631;1424139255;asciilifeform;and no real use for high frequencies
1021632;1424139264;BingoBoingo;So OpenBSD 0.7.2 qt build 17 hours without an OOM kill (returned to 512MB process limit a while back) Presently a June 15th, 2013. Seems the space for bastards to be introduced has shrank enough to make bastards moar manageable.
1021633;1424139272;asciilifeform;gotta solder them or use a properly fitted clip like in the photo
1021634;1424139281;asciilifeform;the soic-8 one pictures costs around $10.
1021635;1424139282;decimation;yeah that's what I figured
1021636;1424139358;ben_vulpes;Adlai: what's the goal of running multiple bots in the same lisp image?
1021637;1424139361;ben_vulpes;what does it buy one?
1021638;1424139386;Adlai;share code & data
1021639;1424139397;ben_vulpes;ah ha
1021640;1424139419;Adlai;remember, my "server" is a thinkpad ca 2002, so every cons counts
1021641;1424139498;ben_vulpes;i'd no idea, actually.
1021642;1424139608;ben_vulpes;re: bastards, has anyone experimented with the number of blocks requested?
1021643;1424139632;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 90850 @ 0.00043356 = 39.3889 BTC [-]
1021644;1424139658;ben_vulpes;'tis another knob to turn. if instead of rewriting the bastard storage mechanism, one could leverage the network protocol to reduce the number of bastards per wad sent over the wire, it might alleviate some pain.
1021645;1424139679;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: regardless of what else, the unbounded data structure has to go
1021646;1424139700;*;BingoBoingo sad Tadpole laptops still sell for effectively $maxint
1021647;1424139701;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: it's a 'not whether death, but when' sorta thing
1021648;1424139704;BingoBoingo;http://www.ebay.com/itm/Tadpole-RDI-General-Dynamics-UltraBookIIi-UltraSPARC-Solaris-UNIX-Laptop-/161106196715?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item2582ad78eb
1021649;1424139706;assbot; Tadpole RDI General Dynamics Ultrabookiii UltraSPARC Solaris Unix Laptop | eBay  ... ( http://bit.ly/1vR0ETZ )
1021650;1424139740;asciilifeform;15k!
1021651;1424139751;asciilifeform;a bit much even for most museums.
1021652;1424139771;asciilifeform;you can get any lisp machine ever made, for example, with a crate of parts to last you a lifetime, for half of this
1021653;1424139791;BingoBoingo;Seriously
1021654;1424139812;asciilifeform;mega-lol in the 'faq' on that listing ^
1021655;1424139833;asciilifeform;'QUESTION:  Are you insane?  Are you stupid?  No one would ever pay this much for a laptop!  You should sell it to me for $10 because it is so old and worthless. / ANSWER:  Contrary to your opinion, I sell several of these machines per week.  These machines are used for many reasons including: / Government & Military projects ...'
1021656;1424139884;BingoBoingo;Even Beastmode looks like it comes to under $500 with shipping http://www.ebay.com/itm/SUN-Ultra-80-Server-Quad-450MHz-4GB-Memory-73GB-HD-/380342615233?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item588e2fbcc1
1021657;1424139887;assbot; Sun Ultra 80 Server Quad 450MHz 4GB Memory 73GB HD | eBay  ... ( http://bit.ly/1vR0X0P )
1021658;1424139913;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: my uni threw out pallets of these
1021659;1424139954;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: One Uni I attended at last visit earlier this year still has lab full of its wimpier contemporary
1021660;1424139979;*;asciilifeform doesn't see the appeal of closed source unixen, no matter how he tries
1021661;1424139989;asciilifeform;regardless of on what chip, etc.
1021662;1424140072;BingoBoingo;That lab "engineering building Floor one at SIU Carbondale, forget which wing" still solaris lab. I like the hardware though for "lives forever" and other unixen run fine
1021663;1424140146;BingoBoingo;WHat lab is full of http://www.ebay.com/itm/Sun-Ultra-60-Workstation-2x-450MHz-2GB-RAM-73GB-HD-/380274164694?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item588a1b43d6 << Not same price as Ultra 80 which is twice the processors of this one
1021664;1424140148;assbot; Sun Ultra 60 Workstation 2X 450MHz 2GB RAM 73GB HD | eBay  ... ( http://bit.ly/1zjKGgK )
1021665;1424140317;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: the best way to get something like this is to be there when folks are throwing them out by the tonne
1021666;1424140320;asciilifeform;e.g., when i did
1021667;1424140354;BingoBoingo;I'm waiting for them to hit the dumpster
1021668;1424140375;BingoBoingo;Don't know if they ever will
1021669;1424140474;BingoBoingo;Connects on campus have yet to send the flag and since on every visit lab still intact I assume they aren't slacking
1021670;1424140563;*;asciilifeform fucking hates slowaris
1021671;1424140570;asciilifeform;the boxes were ok.
1021672;1424140641;asciilifeform;the folks running ancient closed-source unixen today do so 'not from a good life'
1021673;1424140666;asciilifeform;but because forced to on account of working for usg or having to use some likewise closed turdware (usually also because, ultimately, usg)
1021674;1424140686;asciilifeform;or, i suppose, archaeologists
1021675;1424140695;BingoBoingo;Thankfully other Unixen work on the boxes
1021676;1424140704;asciilifeform;^ vms, for instance, is an interesting os - conceptually, and i have it one one of my 'alpha'
1021677;1424140754;asciilifeform;http://i.4cdn.org/g/1424118682210.png << l0lz
1021678;1424140755;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1vR2AvI )
1021679;1424140778;asciilifeform;http://i.4cdn.org/g/1424118770173.png << m0ar
1021680;1424140778;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1vR2C6E )
1021681;1424140850;BingoBoingo;Quest for "real-ish computer" which can handled contemporary amounts of RAM and HDD space is arduous search
1021682;1424140856;BingoBoingo;!up Vexual
1021683;1424140899;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: realize, if you get off modern turdware (incl. graphical www), you almost certainly don't need so much as 1GB for anything
1021684;1424140904;asciilifeform;unless you're into physics sims
1021685;1424140924;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: Blockchain parsing
1021686;1424140943;asciilifeform;the entire ussr never had, quite likely, 1g of ram between it
1021687;1424140977;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: what do you need to do with the blockchain that can't be done 1G at a time ?
1021688;1424140990;asciilifeform;(just picked this number more or less arbitrarily)
1021689;1424141044;BingoBoingo;More RAM makes Electrum server more feasile. Not to run the server for the wallet mind you, but because of the queryable database of blockchain data.
1021690;1424141065;decimation;"asciilifeform doesn't see the appeal of closed source unixen" << I see the appeal of actual people maintaining a unix, closed or open
1021691;1424141080;Adlai;somehow git gets by without an in-memory index, i wonder how!
1021692;1424141083;asciilifeform;slowaris is maintained somewhere ?
1021693;1424141092;asciilifeform;or hpux ?
1021694;1424141093;decimation;not anymore, but in its day it sorta was
1021695;1424141098;BingoBoingo;Open Indiana et al
1021696;1424141132;Adlai;( `ls .git/objects` reveals how)
1021697;1424141145;decimation;although the rumor I heard back then was that most of the 'smart guys' working on solaris were spending their working days trying to unravel the gordian knot of kernel locks
1021698;1424141157;asciilifeform;while everyone knows the caveats of the 'million fly eyes', the concept of closed source os is really dead forever - as far as thinking folks are concerned
1021699;1424141170;decimation;asciilifeform: also, the 'spiritual heir' of solaris is maintained by those 'joyent' people
1021700;1424141176;asciilifeform;lol yes
1021701;1424141176;BingoBoingo;Shame the solaris 10 with the SMF turd introduced was the only "open" one and likely inspired so many systemdevaintisms
1021702;1424141203;asciilifeform;decimation: corpses don't get to decide what to be eaten by, ants, vultures, cannibals
1021703;1424141218;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 54942 @ 0.00043273 = 23.7751 BTC [-] {3} 
1021704;1424141287;decimation;asciilifeform: the concept of a closed design chip is dead forever too
1021705;1424141291;decimation;doesn't stop it from being undead
1021706;1424141334;BingoBoingo;<decimation> although the rumor I heard back then was that most of the 'smart guys' working on solaris were spending their working days trying to unravel the gordian knot of kernel locks << But as an Oracle turd they can now break whatever they want in the name of handling one database faster.
1021707;1424141337;asciilifeform;until ic can be fabbed in a kitchen - it's alive
1021708;1424141359;decimation;can fab a board full of 74xx logic :)
1021709;1424141513;Vexual;Im not melting silcon in mine.
1021710;1424141552;Vexual;Aluminum was bad enough
1021711;1424141555;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: So killed Dbus this weekend on my OpenBSD install. Only thing asking for DBUS when invoked is Emacs, works fine without DBUS though.
1021712;1424141593;decimation;I'm surprised dbus comes with openbsd at all
1021713;1424141606;BingoBoingo;decimation: Mtier and Gnome
1021714;1424141678;decimation;ah so it's in a 'port'
1021715;1424141680;BingoBoingo;Mtier = Golden toilet company that sells exportable installs of desktop systems for oil rigs et al makes Gnome a centerpiece of their OpenBSD desktop solution.
1021716;1424141703;BingoBoingo;Mtier makes many of the OpenBSD port
1021717;1424141705;BingoBoingo;s
1021718;1424141715;BingoBoingo;so when they make ports, dbus
1021719;1424141746;decimation;I don't get the general preference for gnome over kde
1021720;1424141804;BingoBoingo;I don't understand either. XFCE straddles the line of minimum/maximum desktop I can tolerate given my small screen size and clumsy fingers keeping me off of leaner solution.
1021721;1424141852;Vexual;smaller bubbles whip the cream
1021722;1424141873;BingoBoingo;My interface requirements consist of works on 11.6" screen and useable past ETOH LD50
1021723;1424141888;Vexual;Is that right bb nitrogen makes smaller bubbles?
1021724;1424141949;BingoBoingo;Vexual: Nitrogen requires far stronger (more expensive) cans to contain same whipping.
1021725;1424141956;BingoBoingo;!up nubbins`
1021726;1424141999;Adlai;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=16-02-2015#1021174 << how do we make it go down?
1021727;1424141999;assbot;Logged on 16-02-2015 17:43:06; mircea_popescu: i guess this drama's dried up, need to move on to something else to keep the btc price up.
1021728;1424142040;BingoBoingo;And of all of the software I've set up on the OpenBSD install here fucking emacs is the only one that throws messages at the terminal when I invoke it because DBUS is dead.
1021729;1424142207;BingoBoingo;!up Vexual
1021730;1424142316;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 90639 @ 0.00044135 = 40.0035 BTC [+] {2} 
1021731;1424142377;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 231511 @ 0.00045892 = 106.245 BTC [+] {5} 
1021732;1424142439;mike_c;hm. is it kosher for two nicks in the wot to have the same gpg key?
1021733;1424142442;BingoBoingo;Mega lol >> http://lukewolf.blogspot.com/2015/02/a-prediction-2020-year-of-pc-bsd-on.html
1021734;1424142443;assbot;The Wolf's Den: A Prediction: 2020 the year of (PC-)BSD on the desktop ... ( http://bit.ly/1vR5FMb )
1021735;1424142505;BingoBoingo;^ For the people who have not suffered this PC-BSD is equivalent to a 90's era Winblows reskinning. Ubuntism brough to FreeBDSM.
1021736;1424142559;Adlai;mike_c: i'd rephrase that as "is it kosher to associate a single wot node with multiple nicks" ie ratings to nicks sharing a gpg key should apply to both equally
1021737;1424142730;nubbins`;!s pogo from:asciilifeform
1021738;1424142731;assbot;51 results for 'pogo from:asciilifeform' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=pogo+from%3Aasciilifeform
1021739;1424142848;nubbins`;asciilifeform what state's your beast in now?
1021740;1424142858;Vexual;Does blockchain still dl from a single source?
1021741;1424142866;nubbins`;afaik
1021742;1424142918;mike_c;Adlai: yeah, but that's not how it's done.  so it seems fishy to me.
1021743;1424142965;Adlai;;;google that's just the way it is
1021744;1424142966;gribble;Bruce Hornsby & the Range - The Way It Is - YouTube: <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cOeKidp-iWo>; Tupac - Changes (That's Just The Way It Is) + Lyrics - YouTube: <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TnwU2iMRUqA>; That's Just the Way It Is - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/That's_Just_the_Way_It_Is>
1021745;1424143004;*;Adlai has never heard of bruce hornsby before
1021746;1424143042;mike_c;kakobrekla: any opinion?
1021747;1424143050;Vexual;Just tupac?
1021748;1424143070;mike_c;i thought fingerprint would/should be unique
1021749;1424143080;nubbins`;heh
1021750;1424143101;Vexual;Could perhaps
1021751;1424143132;Adlai;let's take a step back. the wot should be about who trusts whom, and trust is verified on the basis of signatures. i see no reason why node identity should be based on anything other than signing keys.
1021752;1424143183;Adlai;you can have a wot (and anything built on top, such as gossipd) without nicks entering the equation
1021753;1424143186;mike_c;well, that's the pgp wot
1021754;1424143187;BingoBoingo;<Adlai> let's take a step back. the wot should be about who trusts whom, and trust is verified on the basis of signatures. i see no reason why node identity should be based on anything other than signing keys. << limit in wetware when parsing single identity multiple nicks
1021755;1424143230;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: there's an emacs-23 port, iirc
1021756;1424143235;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: clean.
1021757;1424143239;BingoBoingo;Ah
1021758;1424143282;Adlai;let the user assign nicknames, let wot nodes publish a signed message of which nicks they use, let wot nodes produce signed lists of which nicks they trust as which nodes... endless possibilities can be built on top, but why make nicks part of the fundamental model? they're not first class citizens. keys are.
1021759;1424143363;asciilifeform;nubbins`: what state's your beast in now << stuck on crafting the ramdisk (in-ram root fs) for netbsd. as of a week ago. haven't the time, presently, to do anything
1021760;1424143369;mike_c;because we know each other by nick?
1021761;1424143377;mike_c;and are more likely to change keys than nicks
1021762;1424143423;Adlai;"math is hard!"
1021763;1424143596;Adlai;i guess the question is, what purpose does the wot serve? is it just a way of programming the congregation's robotic doormen, or is it something more?
1021764;1424143619;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform: ^ specifically prohibited in the export control statute << except the us exports diddly squat. it imports everything
1021765;1424143638;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo: So Free world chip foundries are what, 5 to 20 years out? << about that.
1021766;1424143662;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: for extra lulz, the statute applies to u.s. subjects going off the reservation and working elsewhere
1021767;1424143672;asciilifeform;just as much as to those inside the razor wire
1021768;1424143675;mircea_popescu;yeah right.
1021769;1424143679;asciilifeform;statutorily
1021770;1424143683;asciilifeform;(as the tax code)
1021771;1424143704;asciilifeform;in practice, naturally, 'not caught - not thief'
1021772;1424143846;*;asciilifeform is asked re: chip fabs question with some regularity. is quite accustomed to explaining how it is in many ways a considerably trickier and more delicate affair than, say, a factory of atomic bombs
1021773;1424143885;mircea_popescu;not really. it was a big deal for as long as miniaturization was going strong, 1950 - 2000
1021774;1424143898;mircea_popescu;meanwhile, moore's dead, and the thing will suffer the exact fate of printing.
1021775;1424143905;mircea_popescu;ubiquitous, cheap.
1021776;1424143919;asciilifeform;refining and slicing Si boules is not getting cheaper
1021777;1424143923;asciilifeform;nor is a sterile floor
1021778;1424143933;asciilifeform;none of the relevant tech has changed an iota since day one
1021779;1424143957;asciilifeform;wish it were otherwise, but 'wishes aren't horses'
1021780;1424143979;Adlai;but there's an inflection point. the deskjet printer would have seemed equally wonderous to a (human) printer in 1700 and in 1850, despite the former being twice as far away
1021781;1424143996;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform same could have been said about printing, 1600 to 1800.
1021782;1424143998;mircea_popescu;but then...
1021783;1424144016;asciilifeform;printing was more or less the same from herr gutenberd right up to linotype
1021784;1424144019;mircea_popescu;quite Adlai's point. for as long as there's refinement available, it goes one way
1021785;1424144020;asciilifeform;*gutenberg
1021786;1424144025;mircea_popescu;once the wall is hit, it goes the other way.
1021787;1424144041;decimation;eh, I don't see how the tech is getting cheaper either
1021788;1424144047;mircea_popescu;and electronics hit their wall, half a decade or so ago.
1021789;1424144088;asciilifeform;the equivalent of a 'printer' for ic would be something like an ion beam gun station
1021790;1424144097;asciilifeform;but sans the $maxint of high vacuum golden toilet
1021791;1424144118;asciilifeform;i've some theoretical work, but it remains on paper
1021792;1424144126;mircea_popescu;nah, say by 2030-2050 you will be able to buy one of today's ic printers in the size of a 3d printer
1021793;1424144129;asciilifeform;there is also a titanic pile of usg grantsmanship on the subject
1021794;1424144131;mircea_popescu;and for a comparable btc cost.
1021795;1424144133;asciilifeform;(mostly safe to ignore)
1021796;1424144155;decimation;how is the 'ic printer' gonna grow you a pure si substrate?
1021797;1424144161;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: an fpga that isn't a usg-proprietary piece of shit would go a long way
1021798;1424144166;asciilifeform;and is existing tech
1021799;1424144174;mircea_popescu;how is the car gonna grow you distilled hydrocarbonds, decimation ?
1021800;1424144186;mircea_popescu;you'll buy them at costco, like you buy smoked herring today.
1021801;1424144198;decimation;in your porta-cleanroom?
1021802;1424144204;mircea_popescu;yup.
1021803;1424144206;Adlai;or like you buy PLA for your 3d printer
1021804;1424144219;mircea_popescu;comes in a container, you hook it to the machine.
1021805;1424144221;asciilifeform;i'll note that it is possible to use substrates other than si
1021806;1424144226;asciilifeform;e.g., sapphire
1021807;1424144231;asciilifeform;presently - platinum toilet
1021808;1424144235;mircea_popescu;!up Jones4
1021809;1424144238;asciilifeform;but in principle has advantage that you can -grow- a crystal
1021810;1424144243;decimation;disappointingly my costco doesn't sell smoked herring
1021811;1424144251;decimation;only shitty off-brand sardines
1021812;1424144252;mircea_popescu;decimation what srsly ?!
1021813;1424144261;mircea_popescu;i guess you'll prolly be left out of the future si trade too...
1021814;1424144266;decimation;finding proper kippers is difficult in the us
1021815;1424144275;mircea_popescu;^ futurology right there.
1021816;1424144289;asciilifeform;the hardest thing to score where i live is proper sprats
1021817;1424144293;decimation;'king oscar' for me
1021818;1424144293;asciilifeform;but quite doable if you know where.
1021819;1424144322;mircea_popescu;so, is the trilema server going to be closed down by the evil forces of "bitlove, llc" ? what's the crowd wisdom say ?
1021820;1424144329;decimation;the median usian has a strange aversion to tinned fish of all kinds
1021821;1424144343;mircea_popescu;by the way, i scored a major victory in the battle with culinary darkness.
1021822;1424144353;mircea_popescu;salt pickles!
1021823;1424144390;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 48550 @ 0.00043969 = 21.3469 BTC [-]
1021824;1424144390;decimation;asciilifeform: they sell sprats on amazon for $$$
1021825;1424144396;decimation;aren't pickles already salt?
1021826;1424144412;mircea_popescu;there's two ways to pickle : in vinegar and in salt.
1021827;1424144426;BingoBoingo;<mircea_popescu> decimation what srsly ?! << Pickled hering much more common is USia. We care to stock for our Joos but not eastern Europeans
1021828;1424144429;mircea_popescu;the former's basically fast food. salt pickles are fermented.
1021829;1424144444;decimation;interesting
1021830;1424144448;mircea_popescu;decimation is not fro mthe us ?
1021831;1424144451;asciilifeform;decimation: amazon !?!!
1021832;1424144452;asciilifeform;lol!
1021833;1424144461;decimation;I'm from the us
1021834;1424144468;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo: More RAM makes << there's a legitimate "keep blockchain on ramdisk" thing. sadly... it won't be feasible. it's luxury.
1021835;1424144478;decimation;BingoBoingo: where do you find it?  none of the groceries around here stock kippers
1021836;1424144491;BingoBoingo;decimation: Of all places... Wal mart
1021837;1424144519;BingoBoingo;decimation: Not proper mind you, but a tease.
1021838;1424144525;decimation;asciilifeform: sure: http://www.amazon.com/Adro-Riga-Smoked-Sprats-5-6-Ounce/dp/B004H4SEZS/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1424144408&sr=8-1&keywords=sprats
1021839;1424144527;assbot;Amazon.com : Adro Riga Smoked Sprats, 5.6-Ounce (Pack of 12) : Packaged Meats And Seafoods : Grocery & Gourmet Food ... ( http://bit.ly/1zjR9Zc )
1021840;1424144541;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform: while everyone knows the caveats of the 'million fly eyes', the concept of closed source os is really dead forever << agreed.
1021841;1424144543;asciilifeform;about 2x the cost of ordinary 'ethnic' grocers in wash.,d.c. area
1021842;1424144566;decimation;asciilifeform: do you have a favorite brand
1021843;1424144567;asciilifeform;incidentally you can get -proper- sprats even in d.c. city limits
1021844;1424144576;asciilifeform;in, of all places, 'mozart' (german grocer)
1021845;1424144589;asciilifeform;near gallery pl. metro stop.
1021846;1424144599;asciilifeform;about four bux a tin
1021847;1424144624;decimation;yeah I've been there
1021848;1424144633;decimation;actually a sprat is the same thing as a 'brisling'
1021849;1424144643;asciilifeform;decimation: brand << anything from riga. but beware fakes with 'synthetic smoke'
1021850;1424144646;decimation;I eat those regularly, king oskar brand
1021851;1424144654;asciilifeform;not certain if same thing
1021852;1424144665;decimation;https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_sprat << wiki thinks so
1021853;1424144666;assbot;European sprat - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ... ( http://bit.ly/1zjRk6T )
1021854;1424144670;asciilifeform;i've not had all possible spart-alikes
1021855;1424144676;asciilifeform;*sprat-
1021856;1424144676;mircea_popescu;mike_c: hm. is it kosher for two nicks in the wot to have the same gpg key? << notrly. is this observable ?
1021857;1424144697;decimation;the 'king oskars' have two layers of little fish packed in oil
1021858;1424144704;decimation;but not smoked, I would like to try them smoked
1021859;1424144712;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=01-02-2015#1000695
1021860;1424144712;assbot;Logged on 01-02-2015 01:12:18; kakobrekla: because split personalities belong to #bitcoin-insane-asylum
1021861;1424144786;cazalla;yall got any of dem rollmops?
1021862;1424144799;mircea_popescu;"Consider this: In the past 10 years has the distribution you run changed significantly in what it offers over other distributions? I think you'll find the answer is largely no. I do have to give a shout out to openSUSE for the OBS, but otherwise I've used my desktop in the same exact way that I have always used it within the continuity of distribution X,Y, or Z since I started using them. Distributions simply aren't f
1021863;1424144799;mircea_popescu;ocused on desktop features, they're leaving it up to the DEs to do so."
1021864;1424144802;mircea_popescu;wait, this is a bad thing now ?
1021865;1424144882;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: Taged mega lol for a reason
1021866;1424144907;*;asciilifeform https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_sprat#mediaviewer/File:Sprattus_sprattus.jpg << salivating just looking at this
1021867;1424144909;assbot;European sprat - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ... ( http://bit.ly/1zjRFpU )
1021868;1424144915;decimation;asciilifeform:  me too
1021869;1424144957;asciilifeform;!up Vexual
1021870;1424145000;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10350 @ 0.00043969 = 4.5508 BTC [-]
1021871;1424145020;Adlai;the more i think about it, the more it seems that nicks are a second layer on top of the wot, provided by specific wot nodes - either a centralized nick->node mapping like assbot, or individual gossipd configs
1021872;1424145022;Adlai;maybe i should stop thinking
1021873;1424145068;decimation;asciilifeform: http://static.squarespace.com/static/512d63fde4b0ad29483e68dd/t/52c2e34ee4b0dc7797cb11ed/1388503887705/KO2.jpg < king oskar 'brisling' sprat
1021874;1424145069;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1zjRVW1 )
1021875;1424145090;decimation;sometimes they sell at safeway
1021876;1424145212;decimation;asciilifeform: did you know that the 'national archives' nearby your house contains microfiche of captured WWII nazi records?
1021877;1424145230;asciilifeform;not surprised
1021878;1424145232;asciilifeform;'archives 2'
1021879;1424145235;decimation;http://www.archives.gov/research/captured-german-records/
1021880;1424145237;assbot;Captured German and Related Records on Microfilm ... ( http://bit.ly/1zjS9wk )
1021881;1424145246;asciilifeform;good bit of nsa pile in there also, according to legend
1021882;1424145256;decimation;usg has decided that it would be better to charge you $0.6 per page to copy
1021883;1424145263;decimation;and $125 per microfiche copy
1021884;1424145315;asciilifeform;would happily pay this for the nsa papers, but they are not (presently) listed for sale.
1021885;1424145321;mircea_popescu;lol
1021886;1424145333;decimation;"Records of the German Foreign Office Received by the Department of State. Microfilm Publication T120. 5,485 rolls. (Includes records of the German Foreign Office, 1867-1945, and records of the Reichs Chancellery, 1919-1945)." << $685k
1021887;1424145338;mircea_popescu;pay, put online. total income ? 0.6 per page, 125 per film
1021888;1424145340;decimation;Why not digitize?
1021889;1424145350;mike_c;(1632,'D515F7D3246A17BC20FDFD17B78C0531B3742186',1307807825,'chashew',1293858000,0),
1021890;1424145350;mike_c;(1808,'D515F7D3246A17BC20FDFD17B78C0531B3742186',1308068811,'bolzer',1293858000,0),
1021891;1424145420;decimation;I guess $685k is 'note from stalin'
1021892;1424145442;asciilifeform;a usg 700k quote magicks into $0 for the right folks, yes.
1021893;1424145446;mircea_popescu;sooo weirdest thing you've ever seen ? http://38.media.tumblr.com/b7a8237ecb0b4d31b46cfdf254b03c5b/tumblr_mu6xwxDraP1sny350o4_400.gif http://33.media.tumblr.com/e44a3d56567af39df11d0866b85d20ed/tumblr_mu6xwxDraP1sny350o2_400.gif http://33.media.tumblr.com/1d70563d6f79e92a2115badd1e63d6ff/tumblr_mu6xwxDraP1sny350o5_400.gif
1021894;1424145448;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1zjSsax )
1021895;1424145452;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1zjSrn3 )
1021896;1424145455;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1zjSsqW )
1021897;1424145499;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: what is remarkable in the above clips ?
1021898;1424145515;mircea_popescu;who snorts cum ?!
1021899;1424145525;asciilifeform;l0l
1021900;1424145541;asciilifeform;assumed it was ordinary coke, and grainy photo
1021901;1424145549;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 50250 @ 0.00043969 = 22.0944 BTC [-]
1021902;1424145570;mircea_popescu;looks kinda wet to me
1021903;1424145578;*;BingoBoingo offers for people stuck in USia smelt from the great lakes as small inexpensive oilfish to play with by the pound
1021904;1424145587;decimation;actually there's already a business where people 'resell' 'free' usg records - ancestry.com
1021905;1424145650;decimation;mormons provide 'free' labor 'digitizing' ancient handwriting
1021906;1424145663;decimation;so you can text-search census records
1021907;1424145707;mike_c;mircea_popescu: two lines above are one example.
1021908;1424145727;mike_c;dunno who chashew and bolzer are, but they have the same key.
1021909;1424145728;mircea_popescu;da fuck is this bs.
1021910;1424145750;mircea_popescu;well, im pretty sure assbot won't allow it for the future. i didn't know gribble did
1021911;1424145762;mircea_popescu;nanotube ^ can two nicks have same gpg fingerprint ?
1021912;1424145772;asciilifeform;http://www.archives.gov/research/captured-german-records/microfilm/m1106.pdf << interesting - trial of otto skorzeny
1021913;1424145776;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1FlfLrv )
1021914;1424145778;BingoBoingo;http://drgrumpyinthehouse.blogspot.com/2015/02/skool-nerse-time.html
1021915;1424145779;assbot;Doctor Grumpy in the House: Skool Nerse Time ... ( http://bit.ly/1FlfKnr )
1021916;1424145785;asciilifeform;l33t35t german
1021917;1424145814;decimation;asciilifeform: clearly what you need to do is fashion a tool to 'capture' the microfiche screen
1021918;1424145868;asciilifeform;everybody who wants, is probably using pNohe as 'minox' already.
1021919;1424145888;*;asciilifeform has never yet been to a library where patrons are arse-searched, but there's always a first
1021920;1424146169;decimation;it's odd that google didn't see fit to send an intern or two over there to digitize what the national archives has
1021921;1424146332;mircea_popescu;im sure that's not what's the impediment
1021922;1424146480;mircea_popescu;;;google fetlife butthurt
1021923;1424146481;gribble;Butt Hurt Report Form - Scribd: <https://it.scribd.com/doc/7771818/Butt-Hurt-Report-Form>; Hurt Feelings Report - Scribd: <https://www.scribd.com/doc/82744858/Hurt-Feelings-Report>; How to make friends on FetLife for the hard of thinking - Not Just Bitchy: <http://www.notjustbitchy.com/how-to-make-friends-on-fetlife-for-the-hard-of-thinking/>
1021924;1424146514;mircea_popescu;so distinct...
1021925;1424146762;mircea_popescu;!up mmeyer
1021926;1424147080;ben_vulpes;mmeyer, eh?
1021927;1424147099;mmeyer;hi
1021928;1424147163;mmeyer;quite in here
1021929;1424147252;decimation;from whence do you hail?
1021930;1424147270;ben_vulpes;<mmeyer> quite in here << you did make it, yes :P
1021931;1424147322;mmeyer;I'm confused, new to irc
1021932;1424147416;ben_vulpes;!up Vexual
1021933;1424147424;BingoBoingo;<mmeyer> I'm confused, new to irc << Many people are indeed new compared to IRC. Meat odometer just rolled over and yet IRC is still older than me
1021934;1424147535;decimation;mmeyer: what made you want to join #bitcoin-assets?  It's interesting to learn where folks come from.
1021935;1424147561;mmeyer;I searched and it said good conversation in here, from MN/USA
1021936;1424147569;mmeyer;also have some interest in bitcoin
1021937;1424147637;decimation;ah, well this is the right place to learn
1021938;1424147668;decimation;if you go to http://log.bitcoin-assets.com in your browser you can read the past logs of this channel - it is recommended reading
1021939;1424147669;assbot;#bitcoin-assets log ... ( http://bit.ly/1HCJTOI )
1021940;1424147985;ben_vulpes;mmeyer: "it" << what, though?
1021941;1424148004;ben_vulpes;these unqualified pronouns don't work too well
1021942;1424148252;mircea_popescu;http://thelastpsychiatrist.com/2007/05/the_wrong_lessons_of_iraq.html << this one's fucking exquisite.
1021943;1424148253;assbot;The Last Psychiatrist: The Wrong Lessons Of Iraq ... ( http://bit.ly/1FlmQs8 )
1021944;1424148257;BingoBoingo;Under 100,000 blocks left. OOM kill happened in the interim
1021945;1424148364;mircea_popescu;"Here's an example I fear no one will understand.  The Iranians took 15 British soldiers hostage.  The soldiers surrendered without a fight (ironically, so as not to start an international incident), and then pretended to go along with the Iranians.  They did the song and dance "we are bad, we are imperialists, Ahmadinejad is good, we're sorry, thanks for being so nice to us" and were eventually released. So I'm sure t
1021946;1424148364;mircea_popescu;hose soldiers were thinking, "look, I know who I am, I know I'm not a coward, I'm not helping the Iranians, but I have to do whatever is necessary to get out of this mess."  What they are saying is that they can declare who they are, and what they do has no impact on it.  "I am a hero, regardless of how I act."  That's the narcissist fallacy.  Whatever they may think about themselves, the fact is that they did help the
1021947;1424148365;mircea_popescu; Iranians, and they are not heroes.  But I can see that it is ego protective, I can see why they might take this perspective."
1021948;1424148368;mircea_popescu;so fucking on point it bleeds.
1021949;1424148384;mircea_popescu;"Here's the part Americans can't get: why would Iran put them on TV when everyone is going to know it was forced?  Unless you are saying that the Iranians, and only the Iranians, are so completely delusional that they actually believe the servicemen were thankful and apologetic, then this show had to appeal to some broader audience.   Other people had to believe this was the real thing.   Is it possible-- and I'm just
1021950;1424148385;mircea_popescu;asking here-- that we are the only ones who don't believe these statements were meaningful?
1021951;1424148385;mircea_popescu;In other words, is it possible that our enemies judge us by our actions, regardless of intent-- and if you support Ahmadenijad on TV, then that counts-- while we retreat into the narcissists' hideout of identity-as-declared, where any actions can be disavowed as "not who we are?""
1021952;1424148416;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 54234 @ 0.00043038 = 23.3412 BTC [-]
1021953;1424148709;BingoBoingo;<mircea_popescu> In other words, is it possible that our enemies judge us by our actions, regardless of intent-- and if you support Ahmadenijad on TV, then that counts-- while we retreat into the narcissists' hideout of identity-as-declared, where any actions can be disavowed as "not who we are?"" << AKA argument by "FYIAD"
1021954;1424148828;decimation;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=05-02-2015#1007159 http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=05-02-2015#1007161
1021955;1424148828;assbot;Logged on 05-02-2015 01:42:33; decimation: then I heard this podcast: http://www.econtalk.org/archives/2013/02/glenn_reynolds.html << "Guest: It's funny--one of my friends, who has been a long-term, upper level bureaucrat in Washington said to me his favorite phenomenon to see is these people coming through these usually politically-appointed jobs and, he says: They think everybody loves them. And then they leave the job and they realize that eve
1021956;1424148828;assbot;Logged on 05-02-2015 01:42:35; decimation: that once they are not in the job any more they realize they don't have nearly as many friends as they thought they did. The smarter ones do know this. And that's why so many[?] hang onto power. "
1021957;1424148862;BingoBoingo;;;ud fyiad
1021958;1424148862;gribble;http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=FYIAD | Aug 26, 2007 ... Top Definition. FYIAD. Fuck You, I'm A Dragon Originated in some lame back-and -forth furry argument, but when you think about it, it's a good ...
1021959;1424148899;mircea_popescu;do you know what this guy was saying in MAY 2007 ?
1021960;1424148905;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 70400 @ 0.00043969 = 30.9542 BTC [+]
1021961;1424148910;mircea_popescu;But now things are different.  Not since the 1980s, and before that never, has there been this much  M&A activity, share buybacks and privatization.   While this boosts share prices in the short term, as privateers bid up the price in a takeover, there's a huge downstream cost:  the company is no longer public.  You don't get to profit from it unless you work for it.  Each privatized company, or the private equity firm
1021962;1424148910;mircea_popescu; who owns it, becomes a little lord.  You want money?  They demand your service.  It is the opposite of owning a stock, where you demand their service.  It's more than just a concentration of wealth among the few. It is also a concentration of control, and, more importantly, risk.  You may not be able to profit from it, but if something goes bad, for sure you'll be asked to pay for it.
1021963;1424148931;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform if metansa exists, that's why he disappeared : they hired him.
1021964;1424148955;BingoBoingo;Didn't start reading him until fall 2008
1021965;1424148988;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo quite exactly. "fuck you, i'm a dragon". "because i say so". you seen /search-and-destroy/ ?
1021966;1424149022;BingoBoingo;I don't recall. I'm still deep in the libations that are getting me over the meat odometer rollover.
1021967;1424149030;mircea_popescu;you absolutely gotta see this film.
1021968;1424149036;mircea_popescu;http://trilema.com/2013/search-and-destroy/
1021969;1424149037;assbot;Search and Destroy pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.  ... ( http://bit.ly/1FlpDBy )
1021970;1424149039;mircea_popescu;and happy bday yo!
1021971;1424149045;BingoBoingo;Ty
1021972;1424149055;mircea_popescu;do they have cake delivery where you live ?
1021973;1424149095;BingoBoingo;Not delivery. Aunt made a delicious monster of a chocolate on chocolate recursive cake.
1021974;1424149128;BingoBoingo;Had beef tongue for dinner.
1021975;1424149132;mircea_popescu;o hey! cool!
1021976;1424149294;BingoBoingo;If there is a part of the cow that tastes more like beef than the tongue I have yet to meet it.
1021977;1424149380;decimation;BingoBoingo: ever had beef (ox) tail soup?
1021978;1424149437;BingoBoingo;Indeed, delicious. Oxtail is also good slow cooked on a kettle grill and finished in sauce a lot like people do with pork and brisket.
1021979;1424149529;BingoBoingo;Brains and eggs I remember as being good, but since this continent has deer with CJD and the UK had mad cow, have to settle for making it with pork brains.
1021980;1424149550;decimation;some folks think that there are beef cows with cjd too
1021981;1424149555;decimation;in the us
1021982;1424149571;BingoBoingo;I wouldn't doubt it.
1021983;1424149601;decimation;https://www.prosper.com < lol silicon valley loan shark
1021984;1424149603;assbot;Personal Loans and Online Investing - Peer to Peer Lending - Prosper ... ( http://bit.ly/1FlrCWu )
1021985;1424149645;BingoBoingo;People catch Brucellosis in "Brucellosis Free" states. If I accept the meta-NSA exists its common name is most likely the United States Department of Agriculture.
1021986;1424149901;ben_vulpes;now there's a great conspiraci(!) theory
1021987;1424149965;BingoBoingo;Seriously
1021988;1424150138;BingoBoingo;!up Vexual
1021989;1424150191;Adlai;"and many humans will find themselves the new horse: unemployable" - cgp grey
1021990;1424150358;Vexual;I think if brussexels had a look at northern Australian,  they would say 'don't bother'
1021991;1424150433;Vexual;Jakarta bullocks at 2 / km2 is all youll ever do
1021992;1424150517;Vexual;Peanuts failed and how will we get an inspector anywhere?
1021993;1424150559;BingoBoingo;It's alright. The US peanut butter salmonella scare was traced back to birdshit in the peanut processing plant
1021994;1424150743;Vexual;Fuck those peanuts
1021995;1424150757;BingoBoingo;http://www.adamsmith.org/blog/liberty-justice/make-britain-safer-bring-back-handguns/
1021996;1424150759;assbot;Make Britain safer: bring back handguns « Adam Smith Institute ... ( http://bit.ly/17k6AbY )
1021997;1424151086;mircea_popescu;i remember the times i could safely eat oxtail soup
1021998;1424151092;mircea_popescu;fucking idiot brits srsly.
1021999;1424151344;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 120300 @ 0.00043079 = 51.824 BTC [-] {3} 
1022000;1424151362;BingoBoingo;!up wolverine
1022001;1424151366;BingoBoingo;!up pete_dushenski
1022002;1424151375;pete_dushenski;why ty bb
1022003;1424151421;pete_dushenski;BingoBoingo: and happy bday!
1022004;1424151608;ben_vulpes;another amusing tidbit from apple's wholesale collapse in quality on the desktop: no longer does the right arrow in iToonz skip to the next track.
1022005;1424151627;mircea_popescu;wht does it do ?
1022006;1424151647;BingoBoingo;ben_vulpes: Did Apple even release iTunes ever for Mac OS
1022007;1424151649;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 82500 @ 0.0004398 = 36.2835 BTC [+] {2} 
1022008;1424151674;ben_vulpes;mircea_popescu: highlights the next album, displaying its tracklist.
1022009;1424151694;ben_vulpes;oh wait
1022010;1424151696;mircea_popescu;well i never used it, so dunno
1022011;1424151705;ben_vulpes;if you switch to "songs" view then the right arrow does the expected thing
1022012;1424151712;ben_vulpes;and the old ui returns, nearly unmolested
1022013;1424151751;ben_vulpes;this is topologically identical to the "Surface" shitshow, where when the retarded windows touch ui gets in your way you can get rid of it and go back to classic windows, with which one interacts with a stylus.
1022014;1424151755;ben_vulpes;baffling.
1022015;1424151820;pete_dushenski;what itunes version ?
1022016;1424151868;ben_vulpes;12.0.1.26
1022017;1424151871;ben_vulpes;whatever the fuck that means
1022018;1424151877;ben_vulpes;http://www.goethe.de/ges/umw/prj/kuk/fot/roj/enindex.htm << apropos of nothing, really
1022019;1424151878;assbot;goethe.de/climate - Gallery - Villar Rojas, Adrián - Goethe-Institut  ... ( http://bit.ly/17KAOGb )
1022020;1424151889;pete_dushenski;doesn't mean much i suppose
1022021;1424151894;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24300 @ 0.00044043 = 10.7024 BTC [+]
1022022;1424151914;pete_dushenski;i have 11.0.1 on this machine and even it's far messier and more byzantine than the older versions i seem to recall
1022023;1424151951;ben_vulpes;those early ipods were phenomenally well designed.
1022024;1424151975;pete_dushenski;and they fetch a pretty penny now too
1022025;1424151977;ben_vulpes;i used nearly every mpwhater whatever object during that time
1022026;1424151979;ben_vulpes;aw, really?
1022027;1424151985;ben_vulpes;i gave one away recently
1022028;1424151989;pete_dushenski;oh ya
1022029;1424152018;pete_dushenski;re goethe thing: "a dingo ate my baby" is the first thing that comes to mind
1022030;1424152053;ben_vulpes;http://www.ebay.com/itm/RARE-COLLECTORS-Apple-iPod-classic-2ND-Generation-MAC-10-GB-ORIGINAL-BOX-/181536114101?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item2a446545b5
1022031;1424152057;assbot; RARE Collectors Apple iPod Classic 2nd Generation Mac 10 GB Original Box 718908423851 | eBay  ... ( http://bit.ly/17k9Yna )
1022032;1424152138;pete_dushenski;oof
1022033;1424152148;pete_dushenski;ya, $600 for a used 1st gen 5gb
1022034;1424152163;pete_dushenski;which i seem to recall being $500 in 2001 bucks
1022035;1424152177;ben_vulpes;http://support.apple.com/en-us/HT1353 << this page is actually omitting the best ipod that was ever released
1022036;1424152178;assbot;Identifying iPod models - Apple Support ... ( http://bit.ly/17KBJGT )
1022037;1424152188;pete_dushenski;so not exactly investment grade art
1022038;1424152217;pete_dushenski;ben_vulpes: the best being ?
1022039;1424152218;ben_vulpes;http://www.atpm.com/9.08/ipod.shtml << here we go
1022040;1424152220;assbot;ATPM 9.08 - Review: iPod (30 GB) ... ( http://bit.ly/17KBNGD )
1022041;1424152241;ben_vulpes;ah, no it's there
1022042;1424152256;ben_vulpes;this was actually the best design they ever produced.
1022043;1424152265;pete_dushenski;that was the first one i had too
1022044;1424152271;ben_vulpes;the buttons were physically separated from the scroll wheel
1022045;1424152280;ben_vulpes;glowed this beautiful neon orange.
1022046;1424152288;ben_vulpes;and it was *fast*
1022047;1424152291;ben_vulpes;had a great internal db.
1022048;1424152305;mircea_popescu;The system is designed with simply one outcome in mind: keep the poor with high recidivism rates and minimal social resources in jail-- a sort of half-way house for the disenfranchised-- until you can't possibly justify it any longer, and then give them a quick trial, accept the guilty plea ("what guilty plea?") and sentence them to time served and probation-- where you can add further controls.
1022049;1424152305;mircea_popescu;It's debatable whether keeping potential terrorists in Cuba is a good idea.  But when the State starts using pyschiatry to manage their population...  I know you think I am exaggerrating.   I'll bet you're not poor.
1022050;1424152340;mircea_popescu;<ben_vulpes> those early ipods were phenomenally well designed. << yes. because they were built around exactly one core value. "what's that for ? fuck you, you're not putting that in here."
1022051;1424152348;mircea_popescu;exactly opposite of systemd "doocracy"
1022052;1424152391;ben_vulpes;mircea_popescu: what, you think i don't get this?
1022053;1424152398;ben_vulpes;apple only worked because there was one guy at the helm.
1022054;1424152426;ben_vulpes;now ives is steering things and they're trumpeting their solar deals, working on 'watches' and spreading rumors about tesla acquisitions.
1022055;1424152431;mircea_popescu;not just one guy. one guy who systematically hit everyone over the head with crazy ed's snippers encased in concrete
1022056;1424152439;mircea_popescu;but yeah im sure YOU get it. still, a log's a log!
1022057;1424152464;ben_vulpes;gotta leave something between the lines.
1022058;1424152475;mircea_popescu;yes.
1022059;1424152479;mircea_popescu;more lines.
1022060;1424152501;ben_vulpes;which reminds me: http://stats.bitcoin-assets.com/
1022061;1424152501;assbot;#bitcoin-assets stats ... ( http://bit.ly/17KCIa1 )
1022062;1424152509;cazalla;i opted for the creative jukebox.. what a piece of shit that was
1022063;1424152525;ben_vulpes;HAH
1022064;1424152526;pete_dushenski;lol
1022065;1424152536;ben_vulpes;i'm in the top 12 for the past twelve months
1022066;1424152539;ben_vulpes;twice!
1022067;1424152551;ben_vulpes;cazalla: i had a rio riot
1022068;1424152556;ben_vulpes;also had a creative jukebox
1022069;1424152568;ben_vulpes;also had all the sony cd players that did mp3s before portable hdds were a thing
1022070;1424152584;ben_vulpes;there was this hilarious embedded ram arms race
1022071;1424152644;pete_dushenski;"Unraveling a mystery that eluded the researchers analyzing the highly advanced Equation Group the world learned about Monday, password crackers have deciphered a cryptographic hash buried in one of the hacking crew's exploits. It's Arabic for "unregistered." "
1022072;1424152660;pete_dushenski;"Researchers for Moscow-based Kaspersky Lab spent more than two weeks trying to crack the MD5 hash using a computer that tried more than 300 billion plaintext guesses every second. After coming up empty-handed, they enlisted the help of password-cracking experts, both privately and on Twitter, in hopes they would do better. Password crackers Jens Steube and Philipp Schmidt spent only a few hours before figuring
1022073;1424152660;pete_dushenski;out the plaintext behind the hash e6d290a03b70cfa5d4451da444bdea39 was غير مسجل, which is Arabic for "unregistered". The hex-encoded string for the same Arabic word is dbedd120e3d3cce1."
1022074;1424152661;ben_vulpes;;;later tell the_scourge hey  ninjashogun managed to crap more lines into the log over a longer time than you. howzat feel?
1022075;1424152661;gribble;The operation succeeded.
1022076;1424152686;pete_dushenski;^somebody was watching team america re-runs while hacking
1022077;1424152698;pete_dushenski;"dirka dirka mohamed jihad!"
1022078;1424152756;pete_dushenski;that, or kaspersky needs to hire a few more people with brains
1022079;1424152770;ben_vulpes;password attacks don't cross languages?
1022080;1424152782;ben_vulpes;man security world must be even more esl than i was given to understand
1022081;1424152785;pete_dushenski;which, given that kasp is sponsoring an f1 car is probably also true
1022082;1424152800;ben_vulpes;dictionary* attacks i mean to say.
1022083;1424152818;pete_dushenski;one would've hoped
1022084;1424152833;pete_dushenski;but kasp is pretty big, and therefore one of there "rubber-stampers"
1022085;1424152839;pete_dushenski;*these
1022086;1424152852;pete_dushenski;they don't need to actually work
1022087;1424152863;pete_dushenski;as alf would call it, it's "security theatre"
1022088;1424152930;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 77950 @ 0.00046409 = 36.1758 BTC [+] {3} 
1022089;1424152944;ben_vulpes;so the towelheads humilated kaspersky, sending him to twitter for help?
1022090;1424152946;ben_vulpes;good job, boys.
1022091;1424153111;BingoBoingo;ben_vulpes: What does 0.5.3.1 resource usage look like when synced?
1022092;1424153112;pete_dushenski;http://www.kasperskymotorsport.com/fileadmin/content/images/slideshow/2015-scuderia-ferrari01.jpg << for motorsports fans, kasp logos can be seen on along the side and top of the front nosecone
1022093;1424153113;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/17kcCJO )
1022094;1424153160;ben_vulpes;BingoBoingo: i'll let you know when i get there
1022095;1424153184;ben_vulpes;!up pete_dushenski
1022096;1424153191;ben_vulpes;do you even have your keys handy?
1022097;1424153206;BingoBoingo;ben_vulpes: Alright Just wondering, because my personal 0.7.2 WTF build should sync sometime next week at the latest
1022098;1424153382;ben_vulpes;0.7.2.W
1022099;1424153420;ben_vulpes;i'm endeavoring to sync a portatronic build
1022100;1424153448;ben_vulpes;and a more-or-less patched-up-to-date-with-mailing-list dynamically linked build
1022101;1424153476;ben_vulpes;and my poor aws instance is laaaaaboring
1022102;1424153517;ben_vulpes;qa for the foundation - what a gig
1022103;1424153540;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29850 @ 0.00047349 = 14.1337 BTC [+] {2} 
1022104;1424153704;ben_vulpes;'fyiad' << worst part about living here is the misery endured to scrape food credits together
1022105;1424153819;BingoBoingo;Mega lol >> http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/politics/2015/02/st_louis_should_move_to_illinois_it_doesn_t_belong_in_missouri_anymore.html#
1022106;1424153821;assbot;St. Louis should move to Illinois: It doesn’t belong in Missouri anymore.  ... ( http://bit.ly/17kesKv )
1022107;1424154607;ben_vulpes;split?
1022108;1424154652;mircea_popescu;apparently.
1022109;1424154732;mircea_popescu;"Researchers for Moscow-based Kaspersky Lab spent more than two weeks trying to crack the MD5"
1022110;1424154746;mircea_popescu;dude srsly... ars presenting cracking of md5 as ahigh  tech exploit ?
1022111;1424154768;mircea_popescu;did they also catch some "russian sleeper agents" through the time honored spycraft of hussling random vacationers ?
1022112;1424154808;pete_dushenski;fat hairy dude with speedo, big black sunglasses, and foreign accent must be russian spy!
1022113;1424154821;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 68076 @ 0.00047306 = 32.204 BTC [-]
1022114;1424154830;mircea_popescu;""Our idea was, if the first hash means 'unregistered' in English, would it be possible that the second hash means 'unregistered' as well, but in Arabic?" Steube said. "So we tried to download some Arabic expansion packs for [website commment app] vBulletin, which is the forum software that was attacked here.""
1022115;1424154835;mircea_popescu;im so impressed.
1022116;1424154862;pete_dushenski;"The Great Internet Power Grab: We’ve come a long way from Steve Jobs as ‘phone phreak’ to Tom Wheeler as ruler of the Internet." << should i know who tom wheeler is ? if he's someone, why isn't he here ?
1022117;1424154885;mircea_popescu;by the way, as commenter points out. https://github.com/FetLife << ruby/mysql running on ubuntu.
1022118;1424154887;assbot;FetLife · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/17khjTL )
1022119;1424154891;mircea_popescu;that thing's epic.
1022120;1424154907;pete_dushenski;i have no interest in paying for a wsj sub to see the rest of that article, however
1022121;1424154935;BingoBoingo;pete_dushenski: He's the FCC commisioner
1022122;1424154953;pete_dushenski;eh no wonder he's not here!
1022123;1424155443;pete_dushenski;;;ticker
1022124;1424155444;gribble;Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 235.78, Best ask: 236.29, Bid-ask spread: 0.51000, Last trade: 236.32, 24 hour volume: 11264.62358106, 24 hour low: 231.44, 24 hour high: 241.23, 24 hour vwap: 236.465583945
1022125;1424157017;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 39300 @ 0.00044094 = 17.3289 BTC [-]
1022126;1424157486;mircea_popescu;except "we" haven't come. THEY have gone
1022127;1424157810;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34400 @ 0.0004557 = 15.6761 BTC [+]
1022128;1424158298;assbot;[MPEX] [FT] [X.EUR] 448 @ 0.00482207 = 2.1603 BTC [-]
1022129;1424158542;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 46200 @ 0.00044803 = 20.699 BTC [-]
1022130;1424159213;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 115750 @ 0.00043528 = 50.3837 BTC [-] {3} 
1022131;1424159335;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 54000 @ 0.00044618 = 24.0937 BTC [+]
1022132;1424159637;punkman;cazalla: a wiki of bitcoin companies, who was involved, when they launched/closed etc etc, edited and maintained by a select few  << I pitched this idea a couple times, guess the time has come for it?
1022133;1424159707;punkman;https://bitbucket.org/abfg/gildedtxt/src/601f1fddd338/exchanges/
1022134;1424159709;assbot;  abfg / gildedtxt   / source  / exchanges  — Bitbucket ... ( http://bit.ly/1vB3TJk )
1022135;1424160677;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 59800 @ 0.00042875 = 25.6393 BTC [-]
1022136;1424162932;punkman;http://static1.squarespace.com/static/526d498ae4b0a8c91472d7d7/t/54e0fd8ce4b05417978a5abb/1424031121397.jpg
1022137;1424162933;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1v9LVmo )
1022138;1424162994;punkman;https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B-Avwh6CYAAl_aS.jpg
1022139;1424162995;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1v9McWf )
1022140;1424163056;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 406100 @ 0.00043313 = 175.8941 BTC [+] {6} 
1022141;1424163279;punkman;http://blog.ptsecurity.com/2015/02/the-research-mobile-internet-traffic.html
1022142;1424163281;assbot;Positive Research Center: The research: Mobile Internet traffic hijacking via GTP and GRX ... ( http://bit.ly/1v9Nm4h )
1022143;1424164398;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 132052 @ 0.00042452 = 56.0587 BTC [-] {2} 
1022144;1424165252;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3900 @ 0.00042442 = 1.6552 BTC [-]
1022145;1424167264;BingoBoingo;!up brendafdez
1022146;1424167326;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 32550 @ 0.00043523 = 14.1667 BTC [+]
1022147;1424167448;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 62546 @ 0.00042393 = 26.5151 BTC [-] {2} 
1022148;1424167570;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2404 @ 0.00042157 = 1.0135 BTC [-]
1022149;1424168991;cazalla;punkman, oh nice, that'll be a help
1022150;1424169034;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8050 @ 0.00043035 = 3.4643 BTC [+]
1022151;1424169978;cazalla;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ow0xZG9XZ5w
1022152;1424169979;assbot;Damo and Darren - 'Skatepark' - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/17dx7YW )
1022153;1424170559;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20013 @ 0.00042808 = 8.5672 BTC [-]
1022154;1424170620;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 65450 @ 0.00042071 = 27.5355 BTC [-] {2} 
1022155;1424170986;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23646 @ 0.00042043 = 9.9415 BTC [-]
1022156;1424171047;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4245 @ 0.00042019 = 1.7837 BTC [-]
1022157;1424171901;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 54650 @ 0.00042018 = 22.9628 BTC [-] {2} 
1022158;1424172797;Adlai;;;later tell mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=16-02-2015#1021145 << incidentally, whippits are also sold in sex shops. surely the local systemd has monetized pleasure?
1022159;1424172797;assbot;Logged on 16-02-2015 17:35:59; mircea_popescu: danielpbarron you don't say. try it while ejaculating suddenly sometime.
1022160;1424172798;gribble;The operation succeeded.
1022161;1424173091;kakobrekla;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-02-2015#1021140 < i know of a guy (elementary school classmate) who did it on a sloped road. lost a few front teeth.
1022162;1424173091;assbot;Logged on 16-02-2015 17:35:31; danielpbarron: maybe there's something to what MP is saying; I can get pretty high from holding my breath while standing up suddenly
1022163;1424173243;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8200 @ 0.00042912 = 3.5188 BTC [+]
1022164;1424174810;jurov;catching up with logs and on 'ic printer' ... perhaps fpga-like discs burnable with bluray are more feasible?
1022165;1424174885;jurov;but I have no idea who can be motivated to develop this.. certainly not bezzle valley
1022166;1424175128;jurov;they say bluray has pit size 150 nm, track pitch 320 nm.. allows for quite a density
1022167;1424175988;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 90532 @ 0.00041986 = 38.0108 BTC [-] {2} 
1022168;1424176964;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 70250 @ 0.00042709 = 30.0031 BTC [+]
1022169;1424177269;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 85593 @ 0.00041967 = 35.9208 BTC [-] {2} 
1022170;1424179197;*;Adlai feels sorry for reference frames that classify sudden di[tz]zyness as "pretty high"
1022171;1424180947;BingoBoingo;http://qntra.net/2015/02/british-darkmarket-ricin-arrest/
1022172;1424180947;assbot;British Darkmarket Ricin Arrest | Qntra.net ... ( http://bit.ly/1vSqZRu )
1022173;1424181661;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 59600 @ 0.00042709 = 25.4546 BTC [+]
1022174;1424183803;danielpbarron;height=194563 vs height=183404
1022175;1424183819;danielpbarron;5400 rpm drive is.. stupidly slow
1022176;1424183836;danielpbarron;might only be useful for copying an already synced chain onto
1022177;1424183847;danielpbarron;i'm sure once it's caught up i'll do fine
1022178;1424184406;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 86950 @ 0.00042361 = 36.8329 BTC [-] {2} 
1022179;1424184923;cazalla;damn susan sarandon is not a bad piece of ass in rocky horror, nothing on magenta but better than the pixelated c64 shit back in the day
1022180;1424185376;chetty;http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2956058/Russian-researchers-expose-breakthrough-U-S-spying-program.html
1022181;1424185378;assbot;Russian researchers expose 'NSA's Secret Weapon' to spy on every computer on Earth | Daily Mail Online ... ( http://bit.ly/17lyV1I )
1022182;1424185504;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31400 @ 0.00042306 = 13.2841 BTC [-]
1022183;1424185580;lobbes;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=16-02-2015#1021517 << Thanks! I'm starting to realize the value of it over the winshits and macshits; that being having control over your computing.
1022184;1424185580;assbot;Logged on 16-02-2015 23:48:30; mircea_popescu: lobbes wd.
1022185;1424185596;lobbes;I have no idea what is running on my bill-gates machine, but I can find that answer in less than a second on my Debian VPS
1022186;1424185752;lobbes;can't wait until I know what I'm doing enough to throw off the 'windows shackles' altogether
1022187;1424185806;cazalla;lobbes, full blown aids
1022188;1424185938;cazalla;now with linux i thought i was clean but turns out i was just hiv positive
1022189;1424185974;jurov;lobbes it's matter of degrees, the more deeper you go, the less you think you know
1022190;1424186046;mircea_popescu;lol i kept messaging assbit
1022191;1424186053;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 70100 @ 0.00042869 = 30.0512 BTC [+] {3} 
1022192;1424186068;mircea_popescu;lobbes yes. the problem with it is that it's addictive, and soon enough you'll be pretty disatisfied with the world in general.
1022193;1424186212;thestringpuller;mircea_popescu: soon enough you'll be pretty disatisfied with the  world in general << i thought this was naturally a part of the aging process. i.e. "the old man".
1022194;1424186269;cazalla;yeah, i hate everything, oh happy day i throw all these computers in the fkn bin
1022195;1424186276;mircea_popescu;it's not part of the aging process, it's part of the society going to shit.
1022196;1424186282;mircea_popescu;"progress" or w/e they call it.
1022197;1424186320;jurov;this seems to be related with you avoiding stupid people around you
1022198;1424186333;mircea_popescu;wtf was that uberridiculous site back in 2012, that people ended up signing up as other users etc ? bitdaytrade ?
1022199;1424186354;cazalla;farmers gon' farm
1022200;1424186360;jurov;when i chose not to avoid them, there's other kinds of frustration but not the "everything goes to shit" feeling
1022201;1424186394;mircea_popescu;jurov right.
1022202;1424186485;lobbes;jurov: lobbes it's matter of degrees, the more deeper you go, the less you think you know << yeah, that seems to be the theme of everything I learn. Which plays into the 'addiction' point MP made. "There's more to learn!"
1022203;1424186531;lobbes;which seems to end with ultimate disatifaction lol
1022204;1424186537;lobbes;such is life, eh?
1022205;1424186557;cazalla;lobbes, that's an aussie saying ya know, ned kelly and all that
1022206;1424186585;cazalla;bogans get it tatted across their chest or tramp stamped if woman
1022207;1424186654;lobbes;cazalla: I'll admit I just googled that. I always thought it was of 'French origin'
1022208;1424186670;lobbes;'c'est la vie'
1022209;1424186694;lobbes;I dig aussies, though, so I'll go with that origin
1022210;1424186777;cazalla;well ya wanna be a true blue fair dinkum aussie cunt ya gotta get ya such is life tat to go with your southern cross tat
1022211;1424186881;lobbes;cazalla, okay but tramp stamp or chest?
1022212;1424186902;cazalla;depends if you're a bloke or sheila
1022213;1424186951;lobbes;bloke, but if I ever get thrown in jail it would be almost poetic if I get butt-raped
1022214;1424186981;cazalla;are you some type of shirt lifting poofter or wut
1022215;1424186990;lobbes;ahaha
1022216;1424187000;lobbes;naw I'm just fucked in the head
1022217;1424187017;mircea_popescu;sheila ahaha.
1022218;1424187034;thestringpuller;u wot m8?!?
1022219;1424187097;cazalla;thestringpuller, u taking the piss mate? u having a go? u wanna go?
1022220;1424187130;cazalla;tmw is such a write off after drinking this much
1022221;1424187148;mircea_popescu;;;ud tmw
1022222;1424187149;gribble;http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=tmw | Shorthand for "Too Much Work". Used to describe situations or happenings that are just too much work to bother doing or participating. Also goes by TMW, or tee  ...
1022223;1424187182;cazalla;tomorrow
1022224;1424187187;cazalla;which is todaya
1022225;1424187334;cazalla;this is one of those, i sorta know the answer to my question but im gonna ask as if im clueless anyway
1022226;1424187378;mircea_popescu;i actually had no idea
1022227;1424187456;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 115450 @ 0.00042912 = 49.5419 BTC [+]
1022228;1424188237;cazalla;3am drunk cooking, what can i come up with!
1022229;1424188292;cazalla;kebab be good though, remembers me about some doner discussion here at some point
1022230;1424188313;cazalla;donair, that was it
1022231;1424188319;cazalla;the fuck is a donair
1022232;1424188872;*;lobbes has fuzzy memories being drunk in the DR; buying a kebab from some street vendor. Probably over-paid
1022233;1424189093;cazalla;not sure you can over pay for a good kebab
1022234;1424189958;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 66105 @ 0.0004257 = 28.1409 BTC [-] {2} 
1022235;1424190049;thestringpuller;super cazalla
1022236;1424190201;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 96657 @ 0.00042306 = 40.8917 BTC [-]
1022237;1424191360;asciilifeform;the sheer amount of smoke and misdirection being sprayed over the disk diddler article is epic.
1022238;1424191421;asciilifeform;ranging from mere omission of the fact, certain as daylight, of it being a usg production (with no attempt whatsoever inside to disguise their characteristic turdware tradecraft, note)
1022239;1424191439;asciilifeform;to misrepresentation of what the interesting part of the payload is
1022240;1424191540;thestringpuller;what is the interesting part of the payload?
1022241;1424191543;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 79740 @ 0.00042306 = 33.7348 BTC [-]
1022242;1424191546;asciilifeform;most egregiously in the english-speaking press: 'crank bait' sensationalism - 'every box on the planet is owned!' designed to chip away at the credibility of kaspersky
1022243;1424191580;asciilifeform;thestringpuller: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-02-2015#1021563
1022244;1424191580;assbot;Logged on 17-02-2015 01:41:05; asciilifeform: hdd firmware << 1) snore. revealed definitively in doc. ~month ago, http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=18-01-2015#981436 2) proven as concept in 'linux on hdd head controller' ~2 yrs ago 3) experimented with privately by numerous folks, incl. yours truly, for a few years before 4) mostly a snore, even the best hdd diddle falls down in a raid5 system
1022245;1424191620;danielpbarron;i've seen such sensationalist headlines as "the only way to stop the NSA from spying on you is to smash your hard drive"
1022246;1424191626;ben_vulpes;fukkin payroll
1022247;1424191631;ben_vulpes;fukkin pay as you go taxes
1022248;1424191645;ben_vulpes;fukkin cashflow
1022249;1424191647;ben_vulpes;fukkin clients
1022250;1424191651;ben_vulpes;fukkin fukkin fukkin
1022251;1424191834;ben_vulpes;http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2015-02-16/euro-area-finance-ministers-talks-with-greece-break-up-on-rift << grexit when
1022252;1424191836;assbot;Greece's Talks With Euro-Area Finance Ministers Break Up - Bloomberg Business ... ( http://bit.ly/1EK83n9 )
1022253;1424191837;ben_vulpes;grexit nao?
1022254;1424192092;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19550 @ 0.00042912 = 8.3893 BTC [+]
1022255;1424192219;[]bot;Bet placed: 1 BTC for No on "Bitcoin to drop under $100 before April" http://bitbet.us/bet/1108/ Odds: 11(Y):89(N) by coin, 14(Y):86(N) by weight. Total bet: 16.93457636 BTC. Current weight: 49,532.
1022256;1424192220;[]bot;Bet placed: 1 BTC for No on "LTC to fall below half a bitcent before March" http://bitbet.us/bet/1098/ Odds: 31(Y):69(N) by coin, 55(Y):45(N) by weight. Total bet: 3.50777265 BTC. Current weight: 7,697.
1022257;1424192223;[]bot;Bet placed: 1 BTC for No on "Gold to drop under $1000 before April 2015" http://bitbet.us/bet/1119/ Odds: 18(Y):82(N) by coin, 18(Y):82(N) by weight. Total bet: 9.8001 BTC. Current weight: 93,885.
1022258;1424192254;punkman;what, no grexit bitbet
1022259;1424192593;punkman;oic two rejected grexit bets
1022260;1424192940;punkman;http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:b9l-8zbkFmUJ:www.danielpipes.org/rr/2014-10-dabiq.228.pdf+&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk
1022261;1424192941;assbot;BEFORE THE HOUR ... ( http://bit.ly/1EKema9 )
1022262;1424192946;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22700 @ 0.00042912 = 9.741 BTC [+]
1022263;1424192991;punkman;^ from some ISIS magazine: "The revival of slavery before the hour"
1022264;1424193050;mircea_popescu;is isis migrating towards some sort of millenarism ?
1022265;1424193092;punkman;that's where they started isn't it
1022266;1424193126;mircea_popescu;i thought they started more from jihadish ideas.
1022267;1424193129;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 12 @ 0.0916 = 1.0992 BTC [-] {2} 
1022268;1424193130;thestringpuller;fffff
1022269;1424193159;thestringpuller;oops
1022270;1424193169;punkman;mircea_popescu: yeah but the millenarian rhetoric was there from the beginning
1022271;1424193242;punkman;"Musa Cerantonio, an Australian preacher reported to be one of the  Islamic State’s most influential recruiters, believes it is foretold  that the caliphate will sack Istanbul before it is beaten back by an  army led by the anti-Messiah
1022272;1424193244;punkman;, whose eventual death— when just a few  thousand jihadists remain—will usher in the apocalypse."
1022273;1424193286;[]bot;Bet placed: 1 BTC for Yes on "CLAM to hit 0.015 or higher before March 3rd" http://bitbet.us/bet/1088/ Odds: 79(Y):21(N) by coin, 62(Y):38(N) by weight. Total bet: 1.53421 BTC. Current weight: 15,132.
1022274;1424193417;ben_vulpes;punkman: links plz?
1022275;1424193434;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33700 @ 0.00042133 = 14.1988 BTC [-] {2} 
1022276;1424193449;punkman;ben_vulpes: for?
1022277;1424193473;ben_vulpes;rejected grexit bets
1022278;1424193483;ben_vulpes;nm nm
1022279;1424193521;ben_vulpes;hm there's the "any exit
1022280;1424193523;ben_vulpes;by april"
1022281;1424193530;ben_vulpes;sorry for wacky posts, arms are jelly from pushups
1022282;1424193547;mircea_popescu;punkman you will notice this guy is an australian preacher.
1022283;1424193570;punkman;mircea_popescu: of course he is ;)
1022284;1424193571;mircea_popescu;i have no wonderment for how anglos are reinterpreting arab ideas in their own framework (which, for this purpose, is strictly millenarism)
1022285;1424193595;mircea_popescu;just, there's a difference between isis becoming so infested with westerners it starts thinking like them and isis simply being mistranslated.
1022286;1424193788;mats;01:41:05 asciilifeform: ... 2) proven as concept in 'linux on hdd head controller' ~2 yrs ago ... << link? a googling wasn't helpful
1022287;1424193802;mircea_popescu;anyway, the misfortunate eu allies of the us are now getting in greece the argentine beauty come to roost.
1022288;1424193805;mircea_popescu;should be interesting.
1022289;1424193851;punkman;mats, this guy I think http://spritesmods.com/?art=hddhack&page=1
1022290;1424193853;assbot;Sprites mods - Hard disk hacking - Intro ... ( http://bit.ly/1EKk0t4 )
1022291;1424194232;mircea_popescu;in other news, the "toilet seat debate" has been resolved. http://38.media.tumblr.com/a3df8a95aba72f77c3dd84453d8e0201/tumblr_n4q32bciEb1st3pp0o1_400.gif
1022292;1424194234;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1EKmasx )
1022293;1424194349;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28300 @ 0.00042665 = 12.0742 BTC [+]
1022294;1424194410;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 51264 @ 0.00042912 = 21.9984 BTC [+]
1022295;1424194655;punkman;https://losangeles.craigslist.org/lac/web/4894818972.html
1022296;1424194656;assbot;WEB DEVELOPER ... ( http://bit.ly/1EKomAg )
1022297;1424194703;mircea_popescu;"Must multi task by helping answering phones, excel data upkeep etc.."
1022298;1424194707;mircea_popescu;clearly.
1022299;1424194759;mircea_popescu;"This position can be in house or freelance. Must be local to the area to discuss projects. " "we never heard of pgp, what is it, italian shoes ???"
1022300;1424194782;mircea_popescu;holy shit wait, $12 an hour ?! in la ?
1022301;1424195230;mircea_popescu;jurov: they say bluray has pit size 150 nm, track pitch 320 nm.. allows for quite a density << easier to do on the disk than on the ic, but you have a good point there.
1022302;1424195250;mircea_popescu;i am certainly more interested in a "print your own chips" road to freedom than in the "print your own guns" approach.
1022303;1424195264;mircea_popescu;for one thing, i was never short of guns when it actually came to guns to defend freedom.
1022304;1424195275;mircea_popescu;usually one's short of gunmen.
1022305;1424195310;mircea_popescu;!up wolverine
1022306;1424195311;mircea_popescu;!up Xuthus
1022307;1424195411;ben_vulpes;just the USian bias - herr presidente sez no guns, ergo it's impossible to get guns
1022308;1424195440;ben_vulpes;this is ridiculous on the face of it, but young american men are more interested in solving simple nonexistent problems with tech than solving big complex hairy ones.
1022309;1424195442;mircea_popescu;i guess. but this is a definite meritous future thing for s.nsa to pursue.
1022310;1424195443;ben_vulpes;unsurprisingly.
1022311;1424195454;mircea_popescu;hory shit you're so right im bashing you.
1022312;1424195456;mircea_popescu;!b 5
1022313;1424195457;assbot;Last 5 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/2NPCGB7.txt )
1022314;1424195492;ben_vulpes;stahp it hurts
1022315;1424195519;ben_vulpes;from the piracy lulzmine: Patton's /Peeping Tom/ is nowhere to be found on the public trackers, yet trivially available on UToob
1022316;1424195535;mircea_popescu;maybe iut just sucks ?
1022317;1424195547;ben_vulpes;how would I know...
1022318;1424195567;ben_vulpes;'tisn't as though i ever had good taste in music beat into me.
1022319;1424195583;mircea_popescu;it's not even worth stealing, yo.
1022320;1424195585;mircea_popescu;gramps.
1022321;1424195595;ben_vulpes;well and how would you know?
1022322;1424195602;mircea_popescu;didn't you just say ?
1022323;1424195618;ben_vulpes;no, i said i have no idea if it's any good.
1022324;1424195625;ben_vulpes;i have no context or anything to judge music against.
1022325;1424195627;mircea_popescu; is nowhere to be found on the public trackers <<
1022326;1424195633;mircea_popescu;ergo, not worth stealing.
1022327;1424195634;ben_vulpes;yet trivially available on UToob
1022328;1424195641;mircea_popescu;that ain't stealing.
1022329;1424195654;*;ben_vulpes cocks an eyebrow
1022330;1424195668;ben_vulpes;nah man this goes back to why a btc torrent thinger isn't worthwhile
1022331;1424195673;mircea_popescu;all these fucking hysterical jokes that are only funny to me
1022332;1424195676;ben_vulpes;people copying content have no taste
1022333;1424195681;ben_vulpes;that one was for you
1022334;1424195691;ben_vulpes;i was hoping for a /mircea_popescu eyes a cockbrow
1022335;1424195697;mircea_popescu;ahahaha oops
1022336;1424195724;mircea_popescu;imagine if a dude had a thick fat unibrow
1022337;1424195734;mircea_popescu;and his roommates kept drawing balls on one side.
1022338;1424195753;ben_vulpes;perhaps next time i take a whack at my bush i'll sculpt it into a cockbrow
1022339;1424195771;mircea_popescu;it's disconcerting to cocksuckers.
1022340;1424195778;ben_vulpes;let 'em squirm
1022341;1424195782;ben_vulpes;they do anyways
1022342;1424195829;mircea_popescu;and now, voice rampage.
1022343;1424195838;ben_vulpes;ratings season!
1022344;1424195838;mircea_popescu;!v artilekt
1022345;1424195838;assbot;Invalid verfication string.
1022346;1424195844;mircea_popescu;!up artilekt
1022347;1424195857;mircea_popescu;!up bertani
1022348;1424195862;mircea_popescu;!up BlueMatt
1022349;1424195866;mircea_popescu;!up chiral
1022350;1424195868;mircea_popescu;!up cjc
1022351;1424195876;mircea_popescu;!up CryptoGoon
1022352;1424195879;mircea_popescu;!up d9b4bef9
1022353;1424195886;PeterL;hello lurkers!
1022354;1424195888;mircea_popescu;!up eric
1022355;1424195894;mircea_popescu;!up evian11_____
1022356;1424195896;mircea_popescu;!up felipelalli
1022357;1424195902;ben_vulpes;such a cheery morning to you all!
1022358;1424195905;mircea_popescu;!up gernika
1022359;1424195910;mircea_popescu;!up hegemoOn
1022360;1424195916;mircea_popescu;!up hguux__
1022361;1424195920;mircea_popescu;!up guntha_`
1022362;1424195926;mircea_popescu;!up hktud0
1022363;1424195929;asciilifeform;chip fab << i've been doing some (mostly theoretical) work on the subject, for some years. it's a guilty pleasure of mine.
1022364;1424195933;mircea_popescu;!up itkin
1022365;1424195941;mircea_popescu;!up Jezzz
1022366;1424195943;mircea_popescu;!up Jrum
1022367;1424195947;mircea_popescu;!up kanzure
1022368;1424195950;mircea_popescu;!up Keefe
1022369;1424195953;mircea_popescu;!up knotwork
1022370;1424195956;mircea_popescu;!up kushed
1022371;1424195959;mircea_popescu;!up kuzetsa
1022372;1424195960;PeterL;asciilifeform: are you setting up a clean room in your garage?
1022373;1424195973;mircea_popescu;!up Lycerion
1022374;1424195977;mircea_popescu;!up m4rCsi
1022375;1424195985;Lycerion;ayyyy
1022376;1424195987;mircea_popescu;shit im bored
1022377;1424196005;PeterL;hello Lycerion, how are things?
1022378;1424196009;lobbes;lol, there ought to be a '!up all' function
1022379;1424196013;Xuthus;mircea_popescu,  why don't you go and code something ?
1022380;1424196023;ben_vulpes;yeah learn you a common lisp or something
1022381;1424196026;ben_vulpes;BE USEFUL
1022382;1424196027;mircea_popescu;lobbes nah. io should stop spamming. Xuthus i don't actually code worth a shit.
1022383;1424196049;Lycerion;PeterL things are well, hooby is hoobin, life is good
1022384;1424196057;ben_vulpes;;;ud hooby
1022385;1424196058;gribble;http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=hooby | (abstract noun or proper noun) A person, especially one not mentioned by name. Hooby doesn't have one. Who? Hooby! Hooby who? by krom23456 January ...
1022386;1424196061;asciilifeform;PeterL: any fab process that requires clean room is ipso facto irrelevant to the question of 'home fab'
1022387;1424196067;ben_vulpes;^
1022388;1424196077;ben_vulpes;"garbage fab"
1022389;1424196077;mircea_popescu;it could be clean breadbox.
1022390;1424196079;mircea_popescu;but not room
1022391;1424196101;asciilifeform;clean football-sized compartment is difficult enough in jungle conditions
1022392;1424196122;asciilifeform;ditto high vacuum
1022393;1424196125;PeterL;how big is a chip fab clean room?
1022394;1424196134;mircea_popescu;depends on how big the fab is
1022395;1424196138;asciilifeform;PeterL: factory floor
1022396;1424196139;ben_vulpes;500 - whole buildings
1022397;1424196171;mircea_popescu;the problem with clean is largely a matter of size. it's easier to keep a large space clean.
1022398;1424196173;asciilifeform;the thing that absolutely must be understood by anyone with any inkling of an interest in the subject is
1022399;1424196175;ben_vulpes;also, depends on the degree of cleanliness required.
1022400;1424196175;mircea_popescu;proof of this being the cosmic space.
1022401;1424196188;asciilifeform;it does no good to take extant ic fab practice and work 'down'
1022402;1424196191;asciilifeform;no good at all
1022403;1424196197;asciilifeform;have to reinvent the entire stack.
1022404;1424196200;mircea_popescu;no, im sure this is understood.
1022405;1424196216;PeterL;need to reinvent it at a smaller, cheaper scale?
1022406;1424196222;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: the folks mentioning clean rooms show symptoms of not having understood
1022407;1424196234;asciilifeform;PeterL: emphatically not. not 'smaller cheaper' what-they-do-now.
1022408;1424196238;asciilifeform;entirely different process
1022409;1424196258;mircea_popescu;basically this is quickly becoming a problem of logjammed. "we need a decent-er system design, to make oses on". "yes, for which we nbeed a new chip paradigm". "yes, which really needs better systems design for oses and such". "yes, which..."
1022410;1424196266;asciilifeform;that would have considerably less in common with the existing one than 'cd-r burner' with pressed aluminum disks, or '3d printer' with injection mold press
1022411;1424196301;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 71500 @ 0.00042313 = 30.2538 BTC [-] {2} 
1022412;1424196306;mircea_popescu;ironically, it may actually have a lot in common with the cd-r burner.
1022413;1424196314;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: hypothetical chip fab experiment does not require new computer.
1022414;1424196324;mircea_popescu;motivation to make it however, does.
1022415;1424196325;asciilifeform;and yes, it would have some resemblance to cd-r
1022416;1424196346;asciilifeform;but realize that cd-r 'cheats' by having existing guide marks
1022417;1424196354;mircea_popescu;i wonder, and bear with my layered ignorance on all matters of import, but i wonder :
1022418;1424196381;mircea_popescu;is there some way to make this actually BE junk ? like, for instance, make an item that prints logic gates on cds, old abandoned cds ?
1022419;1424196385;PeterL;and cd-r moves basically one dimension
1022420;1424196394;mircea_popescu;you can then make an item that looks sort-of like an 1990s "art" installation, except it does logic ?
1022421;1424196415;mircea_popescu;as in, build it from garbage up, exactly how the current stack was built.
1022422;1424196440;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: that's actually reminiscent of one idea i looked into - optical logic produced photographically via laser
1022423;1424196445;mircea_popescu;aha!
1022424;1424196473;mircea_popescu;basically, I want to play music ? i can now get a 5 x 6 sheet of polyester, glue cds on it printed with this thing, and plug it in.
1022425;1424196485;mircea_popescu;it .. sort of... kinda plays derpy 8 bit mono something.
1022426;1424196493;asciilifeform;but cd-r blanks ain't it.
1022427;1424196505;asciilifeform;intrinsic spiral pattern in the whole shebang.
1022428;1424196517;mircea_popescu;i just meant, use the items somehow.
1022429;1424196524;asciilifeform;it isn't a universally-addressable polar coordinate laser cutter, if you were wondering.
1022430;1424196526;mircea_popescu;it'd literally be a repurposing of garbage.
1022431;1424196537;mircea_popescu;it isn't, but then again maybe it could be.
1022432;1424196542;mircea_popescu;after all the disk is flat.
1022433;1424196562;mircea_popescu;for that matter ... recall the discussions even here about the purely resisitive musicbox ?
1022434;1424196591;asciilifeform;resistive ?
1022435;1424196593;mircea_popescu;start it from something that's derpy but works, i say, rather than something that's clever, but doesn't.
1022436;1424196613;asciilifeform;well no doubt
1022437;1424196617;asciilifeform;but what was the music box ?
1022438;1424196657;asciilifeform;and, related, historical,
1022439;1424196660;asciilifeform;;;google lightscribe
1022440;1424196661;gribble;LightScribe - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LightScribe>; LightScribe direct disc labeling - Why buy HP?: <http://h71036.www7.hp.com/hho/cache/315116-0-0-225-121.html>; Lightscribe Media - Direct Disc Labeling, Lightscribe Discs (DVDs ...: <http://www.verbatim.com/subcat/optical-media/lightscribe/>
1022441;1424196723;mircea_popescu;!s resistor dac
1022442;1424196724;assbot;0 results for 'resistor dac' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=resistor+dac
1022443;1424196728;asciilifeform;^ one vendor sold cd-r drives (and disks for extra cost with specially-coated labels) that contained fw to translate raster to polar, and print stickers
1022444;1424196728;mircea_popescu;o no fucking way
1022445;1424196732;asciilifeform;!s covox
1022446;1424196733;assbot;4 results for 'covox' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=covox
1022447;1424196733;mircea_popescu;this was discussed i swear
1022448;1424196736;mircea_popescu;aok
1022449;1424196737;asciilifeform;^ there we go
1022450;1424196740;asciilifeform;had to jog memory
1022451;1424196800;mircea_popescu;the item in question, as kako points out, is still the shit. not because it plays the ghz&poettering game.
1022452;1424196805;mircea_popescu;specifically because it doesn't.
1022453;1424196821;asciilifeform;tempting example, but not a very good one - the basic idea of a dac hasn't changed
1022454;1424196827;asciilifeform;since first one was built from resistors in the '30s
1022455;1424196835;mircea_popescu;the basic idea of a computer ALSO hasn't changed.
1022456;1424196911;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 77835 @ 0.00041964 = 32.6627 BTC [-]
1022457;1424196921;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: basic idea - sure
1022458;1424196933;mircea_popescu;it's what you said.
1022459;1424196966;mircea_popescu;in any case, strategically speaking, it will be a lot easier, cheaper and blood-economical to unseat the fiat atrocity supporting the welfare state by destroying the "industrial" paradigm.
1022460;1424196979;mircea_popescu;but completely rather than just "progressively".
1022461;1424196979;asciilifeform;but in practice, it has. i have a $$$$$ fpga board gathering dust because realized that it is impossible to implement ddr2 controller (and drive any available memory of reasonable density) without reversing the entire chip
1022462;1424196992;mircea_popescu;why do you want ddr2 is the question ?
1022463;1424197008;mircea_popescu;which is where it ties into "new os"
1022464;1424197062;asciilifeform;i'd love to expunge -all- existing ic
1022465;1424197084;asciilifeform;but eliminating stock ram is three or so notches of crackpottery above the rest of it, even.
1022466;1424197087;mircea_popescu;well here's the thing : there's no way to expunge part of it.
1022467;1424197090;mircea_popescu;if you do it, you do it all.
1022468;1424197136;mircea_popescu;<assbot> 0 results for 'resistor dac' << you know this came to 0 because you had to ruin steming ? hm ?
1022469;1424197147;mircea_popescu;what do you have to say for self nao alf!
1022470;1424197151;asciilifeform;can still switch it on, iirc
1022471;1424197157;mircea_popescu;yaya.
1022472;1424197164;asciilifeform;and it'll return every single line ever logged, lol
1022473;1424197172;mircea_popescu;lol
1022474;1424197205;mircea_popescu;(i don't care either way, each works, but i was lulz'd at your militant stance)
1022475;1424197233;asciilifeform;well literally 9 of 10 searches i ever did on that page returned garbage specifically because of stem
1022476;1424197581;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: destroying the "industrial" paradigm << expand on this. recall also the thread where we discussed how pashtun blacksmiths can make kalash, yes they can, not not one of them can make a single 7.62x39 round from brass scrap
1022477;1424197588;asciilifeform;much less refine brass
1022478;1424197610;asciilifeform;- that - continues to happen in izhevsk
1022479;1424197639;ben_vulpes;i recall a story from a stephenson book, about a machine that computed with chains run through computing boxes
1022480;1424197651;ben_vulpes;as the chains moved through the boxes, the boxes flipped bits on each link
1022481;1424197665;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: he had another book where computing happened by specially trained singers belting out gregorian-style chants
1022482;1424197668;ben_vulpes;now, i beg pardon for my ignorance, but could not this model be adapted to the cd rw?
1022483;1424197686;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform the industrial paradigm is not any one particular thing, but the idea that the production of material artefacts is the result of a process not of a will.
1022484;1424197687;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: this is called 'ladder logic' among factory automation folks
1022485;1424197699;ben_vulpes;myes, i've been brutalized by it.
1022486;1424197700;mircea_popescu;the traditional paradigm was artesanal - objects exists because someone willed them into existence.
1022487;1424197705;mircea_popescu;gotta to revert to that.
1022488;1424197720;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: ultimately factory is an artifact of craftsmanship
1022489;1424197726;asciilifeform;so in that sense craftsman never died.
1022490;1424197738;mircea_popescu;in this sense your senator's also your representative.
1022491;1424197743;asciilifeform;l0l
1022492;1424197745;mircea_popescu;right.
1022493;1424197798;mircea_popescu;assbot is pretty rugged isn't he.
1022494;1424197799;mircea_popescu;cool.
1022495;1424197891;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform it's not a problem of technology asa much as ideology, you realise. currently, if you ask consumer why X item exists, it's because "that's what the factory makes". "and it has to be sold^H^H^H^H marketed to me". as opposed to, you know, because this is what I WANT.
1022496;1424197908;asciilifeform;ah - that.
1022497;1424197910;asciilifeform;well, yes.
1022498;1424197915;asciilifeform;!s naggum binders
1022499;1424197916;assbot;2 results for 'naggum binders' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=naggum+binders
1022500;1424198192;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 101300 @ 0.00042921 = 43.479 BTC [+] {2} 
1022501;1424198259;felipelalli;if you will learn something, invest in Haskell or Scheme.
1022502;1424198284;*;asciilifeform knows both quite well, does not use today
1022503;1424198296;felipelalli;it's nice, isn't?
1022504;1424198319;asciilifeform;what is ?
1022505;1424198590;asciilifeform;http://cluborlov.blogspot.com/2015/02/extinctextincterextinctest.html << orlol
1022506;1424198591;assbot;ClubOrlov: Extinct—Extincter—Extinctest ... ( http://bit.ly/1vCC6Ix )
1022507;1424198802;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 118283 @ 0.00042976 = 50.8333 BTC [+]
1022508;1424199107;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10750 @ 0.00042644 = 4.5842 BTC [-]
1022509;1424199322;thestringpuller;http://nopiracy.org/ << this is a thing now
1022510;1424199667;mircea_popescu;"1 in 5 pieces of software in the US are unlicensed. Be part of the solution." holy shit, that bad ?
1022511;1424199692;mircea_popescu;considering another 2 in 5 exist on paper only, as some sort of scheme defrauding the public treasury,
1022512;1424199704;punkman;https://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-current/2015-February/054580.html
1022513;1424199705;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1vCERJY )
1022514;1424199707;mircea_popescu;what's left is essentially, "IP holders, and companies aspiring to be one day bought by ip holders"
1022515;1424199713;punkman;"URGENT: RNG broken for last 4 months"
1022516;1424199727;mircea_popescu;lol
1022517;1424199798;mircea_popescu;great win for freebsd.
1022518;1424199832;asciilifeform;the folks responsible - have names.
1022519;1424199852;mod6;yikes
1022520;1424199860;asciilifeform;for some reason we hardly ever hear the names
1022521;1424199869;asciilifeform;and they tend to recurr
1022522;1424199942;asciilifeform;but i really can't think of a good reason why anyone should be able to pull this shit twice.
1022523;1424199947;mircea_popescu;gurney tho ?!
1022524;1424199965;asciilifeform;exposed
1022525;1424199966;asciilifeform;not authored
1022526;1424199974;asciilifeform;i'm speaking of the authors.
1022527;1424200006;punkman;where is the open source shame list
1022528;1424200017;mircea_popescu;afaik he fucked it up.
1022529;1424200032;mircea_popescu;punkman jurov's maintaining the pride list.
1022530;1424200036;mircea_popescu;so, everywhere else.
1022531;1424200075;punkman;no I mean we need a website with names and photos
1022532;1424200077;mircea_popescu;also, apparently it's current, not stable.
1022533;1424200094;mircea_popescu;so it's not ACTUALLY a big deal in any sense. you're not supposed to run experiments in production.
1022534;1424200119;punkman;ah I assumed current meant stable
1022535;1424200132;mod6;no -STABLE is stable
1022536;1424200139;asciilifeform;a great many freebsd users, at least at one point, ran 'current'
1022537;1424200142;mircea_popescu;yeah apparently lots of people did.
1022538;1424200148;mod6;current = uber-crasher
1022539;1424200155;mircea_popescu;yeah i dunno that you can do that today asciilifeform
1022540;1424200169;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: freebsd's been a total loss since the llvm thing
1022541;1424200174;asciilifeform;that was an enemy flag being hoisted
1022542;1424200185;asciilifeform;surrounded by heads of the fort defenders
1022543;1424200186;jurov;what pride list?
1022544;1424200187;mod6;everytime i've ever followed -current i end up with a lot of panic!s
1022545;1424200201;jurov;;;ticker
1022546;1424200202;gribble;Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 243.77, Best ask: 244.5, Bid-ask spread: 0.73000, Last trade: 243.77, 24 hour volume: 12580.91158750, 24 hour low: 232.01, 24 hour high: 248.78, 24 hour vwap: 240.070244407
1022547;1424200450;mod6;https://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/faq/introduction.html << 1.8 & 1.9 outline what each -CURRENT & -STABLE are meant for. if anyone was still confused.
1022548;1424200451;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1A3ip1X )
1022549;1424200571;mircea_popescu;jurov you know, the signed commits thing
1022550;1424200574;mircea_popescu;!up rotarydialer
1022551;1424200692;scoopbot;New post on Trilema by Mircea Popescu: http://trilema.com/2015/the-fetlife-meatlist-volume-ii/
1022552;1424200830;jurov;it's signed patches not commits and it's in disarray right now :(
1022553;1424200876;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30761 @ 0.00042375 = 13.035 BTC [-]
1022554;1424200894;jurov;have to make some dough first, then i can finally fix it
1022555;1424200939;jurov;btw, anyone needs sysadmin? some deals fell through
1022556;1424201753;mircea_popescu;jurov why not run a bitcoin host ? we kept wanting it
1022557;1424201763;asciilifeform;^
1022558;1424201768;mircea_popescu;you defo have enough experience to handle it.
1022559;1424201808;jurov;i have plenty experience with using VPSes, not with running them
1022560;1424201821;mircea_popescu;weren't you running an open bash server at some point ?
1022561;1424201894;mod6;<+mircea_popescu> jurov why not run a bitcoin host ? we kept wanting it << yeah!
1022562;1424201960;jurov;okay i'll consider it
1022563;1424201978;jurov;re: simpleshell.com everything in chroot was killed after 15 minutes, that's is quite a difference from permanent setup, and abuse reports were last blow
1022564;1424202096;mircea_popescu;if you want, i can front you the capital to colo a few servers wherever you want, and work off that.
1022565;1424202119;mircea_popescu;but then you gotta commit to make it a job. i think there's a pretty decent living in it, but whadda i know.
1022566;1424202279;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 117300 @ 0.00042759 = 50.1563 BTC [+] {2} 
1022567;1424202420;jurov;i see this is serious and there's interest. but the last obstacle is i must do this together with someone, it needs someone on duty 24hrs
1022568;1424202444;thestringpuller;all humans must sleep
1022569;1424202452;thestringpuller;what about Namworld?
1022570;1424202492;jurov;namworld is not with bitvps anymore, and they're imo pretty lame
1022571;1424202562;mike_c;you could hire a service to handle tier 1 monitoring and wake you up if there's an emergency.
1022572;1424202630;asciilifeform;call ft meade, they'll work for phree
1022573;1424202645;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21500 @ 0.00042976 = 9.2398 BTC [+]
1022574;1424202656;mod6;lol
1022575;1424202717;lobbes;I wouldn't add much value, but I'd work for free as an extra set of hands/eyes. You'd still need someone that knew what they were doing, of course. Plus I wouldn't be available 24/7 so maybe I'd be no use lol
1022576;1424202737;lobbes;Sounds like a cool learning opportunity though
1022577;1424202755;asciilifeform;ugh
1022578;1424202768;asciilifeform;unless i misunderstand, jurov isn't opening a clinic for the poor
1022579;1424202774;asciilifeform;where medical students have 'learning opportunity'
1022580;1424202782;asciilifeform;but rather something that has to actually work...
1022581;1424202792;thestringpuller;asciilifeform's wrath bit flips on
1022582;1424202816;jurov;lobbes if you want, i can give you simpleshell.com to learn it's low maintenance, but also low profit
1022583;1424202840;jurov;(low 10's monthly from ads)
1022584;1424202864;asciilifeform;thestringpuller: i'm simply used to seeing that phrase as shorthand for 'it's ok for me to utterly fuck this up, right, because results couldn't possibly be important, aha?'
1022585;1424202868;lobbes;asciilifeform: unless i misunderstand, jurov isn't opening a clinic for the poor << Fair enough. Point taken
1022586;1424202922;jurov;https://web.archive.org/web/20140207213824/http://simpleshell.com/ << twas this. clicking on the button gave you real shell
1022587;1424202924;assbot;Free Linux shell access ... ( http://bit.ly/1A3opHP )
1022588;1424202975;lobbes;jurov: thanks for the link. I got my own VPS to fuck up, though. ;)
1022589;1424203061;jurov;and back to topic, currently i'm about reselling aws stuff, that's a start. i know some trustworthy people here that do vpses, i'll ask them for cooperation
1022590;1424203259;asciilifeform;aws << damn
1022591;1424203269;asciilifeform;phuctor, in particular, really wants a genuine machine
1022592;1424203275;asciilifeform;(cpu-bound)
1022593;1424203315;asciilifeform;afaik no one is offering - or -has ever- offered these - for btc...
1022594;1424203400;danielpbarron;"Every word out of your and MP's mouths is disgusting.  Your vision for Bitcoin is disgusting.  Everything about you is disgusting.  I can't wait for everyone decent to prove to you just how wrong you are about everything you've said in all the threads and blog posts about this fork." https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=941331.msg10493254#msg10493254
1022595;1424203401;assbot;Bitcoin 20MB Fork ... ( http://bit.ly/1A3phwi )
1022596;1424203482;asciilifeform;tilt lol
1022597;1424203634;jurov;they do hae "dedicated" instances, but i'm not pressing the point
1022598;1424203643;asciilifeform;ruinous cost
1022599;1424203664;asciilifeform;and wtf, actual computers are extinct or what
1022600;1424203667;mike_c;ruinous for 1.  not ruinous for many.
1022601;1424203695;mike_c;the cost for dedicated is amortized across all your dedicated instances
1022602;1424203706;asciilifeform;well yes, but mine is not a high-budget operation
1022603;1424203710;asciilifeform;i need precisely one box.
1022604;1424203730;mike_c;well, that's why jurov resells them.
1022605;1424203743;mike_c;(in the future)
1022606;1424203745;asciilifeform;i would also like it to be a fucking -actual computer-
1022607;1424203748;asciilifeform;not an aws chimera
1022608;1424203815;mike_c;why?  then when your actual hardware eats shit you're down.
1022609;1424203832;jurov;virtual hardware can eat shit too
1022610;1424203844;asciilifeform;^
1022611;1424203844;mike_c;and does all the time.  and is replaced trivially
1022612;1424203871;jurov;well, have you read what herbijudlestoids wrote?
1022613;1424203878;jurov;it's all but trivial
1022614;1424203885;asciilifeform;wai wat
1022615;1424203886;mike_c;recently?  don't think so.
1022616;1424203915;jurov;or i miisunderstood what's he doing?
1022617;1424203926;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 65600 @ 0.00042375 = 27.798 BTC [-]
1022618;1424203982;jurov;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=14-02-2015#1018043
1022619;1424203982;assbot;Logged on 14-02-2015 04:02:23; herbijudlestoids: openstack based IaaS clouds
1022620;1424203995;jurov;and lines below that
1022621;1424204080;mike_c;hm, that seems different.  enterprise cloud management.
1022622;1424204100;mike_c;but the difficulty of IaaS is why reselling aws makes sense to me.
1022623;1424204127;mike_c;if you buy a rack in a colo you'll never have the same kind of reliability
1022624;1424204180;mike_c;look at the trouble mpex has had over the years.
1022625;1424204189;jurov;you know, aws itself recommends "to get best reliability, have servers in multiple availabiltiy zones"
1022626;1424204255;jurov;so, again, all but trivial stuff
1022627;1424204270;mike_c;yes, i know.  but i don't think you're disagreeing that colo will have lower reliability?
1022628;1424204355;jurov;oh you're arguing reliability? i missed that
1022629;1424204416;mike_c;i am arguing that the service will be more reliable and easier to run on aws than colo rack.
1022630;1424204445;mike_c;it won't be cheaper.  for the same reasons.
1022631;1424204486;jurov;which service? if it's phuctor, i can imagine it relies on sole access to fast SSD storage.
1022632;1424204500;jurov;this isn't something given on aws
1022633;1424204512;mike_c;he said its cpu bound.  but you can get IOPS provisioned on aws
1022634;1424204530;mike_c;and the service is:  computing power for btc
1022635;1424204555;mike_c;or, vps for btc (dedicated instance coming soon)
1022636;1424204565;asciilifeform;mike_c: i don't -want- aws
1022637;1424204566;asciilifeform;of any kind
1022638;1424204571;asciilifeform;i do not want it in the zoo,
1022639;1424204575;asciilifeform;i do not want it with a gnu,
1022640;1424204576;mike_c;mhm.  for unspecified reasons
1022641;1424204579;asciilifeform;i do not want it in a ham,
1022642;1424204585;asciilifeform;i do not like it, sp4m i am
1022643;1424204590;asciilifeform;to paraphrase the poet
1022644;1424204603;mike_c;1) you're lying because you are hosting nosuchlabs on it right now.
1022645;1424204608;asciilifeform;i am!
1022646;1424204611;asciilifeform;and don't like it
1022647;1424204614;asciilifeform;would like to get off!
1022648;1424204616;*;jurov facepalms
1022649;1424204630;jurov;mike_c pls don't alienate my customers
1022650;1424204633;mike_c;hehe
1022651;1424204635;asciilifeform;no lie there - i told everyone it's languishing on aws.
1022652;1424204643;jurov;if they know what they want, im not pressing it
1022653;1424204652;asciilifeform;at no less than 30-50 usd/mo
1022654;1424204655;asciilifeform;out of me lunch money
1022655;1424204663;mike_c;don't listen to what they say.  he is paying them, obviously it's the best option right now.
1022656;1424204667;mike_c;customer's don't know what they want
1022657;1424204691;jurov;l0l
1022658;1424204702;asciilifeform;mike_c: worse than this. 1) i'm paying 2) not getting terribly much, have ~5mil keys that have not been dumped in on account of - elementarily - lack of cpu
1022659;1424204705;mike_c;listen to what they do, not what they say.  marketing 101.
1022660;1424204746;mike_c;asciilifeform: so if you could get dedicated instance from jurovvps at non-ruinous cost this would be a good thing.
1022661;1424204749;jurov;so you want me to sell him c3.something aws instance and lie to him it's physical?
1022662;1424204759;asciilifeform;i've said it at least thrice, and will say a fourth time - all s.nsa expenses that are denominated in usd have been de-facto fronted by yours truly
1022663;1424204767;asciilifeform;who has no safe way of converting so much as a bitcent to usd.
1022664;1424204808;mike_c;jurov, no, don't lie.  you could sell him exactly what he has now, but in btc, and he'd probably switch.
1022665;1424204828;mike_c;down the road, with a bit of scale, you could sell him dedicated instance without ruinous one-time cost aws imposes
1022666;1424204838;mike_c;and he'd buy that.  he would still complain, but he'd pay.
1022667;1424204887;jurov;at that price maybe a seat at my guerrilla home router.. but that one has only a celeron and main computer is too noisy to keep on all time
1022668;1424204906;jurov;but i'll be asking around , we'll see
1022669;1424205041;jurov;btw, dedi aws is not one-time cost. they ask $2/hour if *any* is running in the region
1022670;1424205055;jurov;do your maffs.
1022671;1424205082;mike_c;one-time not the right word.  it's $2/hr if any, but not per-box.
1022672;1424205113;mike_c;so if you resold x of them, you could charge $2 per hr / x.
1022673;1424205130;jurov;and you're buying, like 10 of them?
1022674;1424205139;jurov;or anyone here?
1022675;1424205143;asciilifeform;for perspective,
1022676;1424205144;mike_c;jurov is.  and selling 1 to ascii, 1 to somebody else, etc.
1022677;1424205155;asciilifeform;i'm renting a physical (yes) box for ~25 usd / mo
1022678;1424205158;asciilifeform;for unrelated purpose
1022679;1424205164;asciilifeform;no hidden costs
1022680;1424205170;asciilifeform;no surcharges for bandwidth
1022681;1424205171;asciilifeform;etc
1022682;1424205175;mike_c;the hidden cost is when it eats shit.
1022683;1424205181;jurov;was it ever ddosed?
1022684;1424205194;mike_c;that too
1022685;1424205204;asciilifeform;yes
1022686;1424205206;asciilifeform;and remained standing
1022687;1424205229;asciilifeform;the sheer audacity of the industry bamboozlement virtually everywhere - is astonishing
1022688;1424205246;jurov;"remained standing" isn't hard. "they didn't kicked me" is.
1022689;1424205257;asciilifeform;didn't kick, either
1022690;1424205271;mike_c;did you get abuse reports?  did they stand up to those?
1022691;1424205278;asciilifeform;now that, didn't try
1022692;1424205281;mike_c;(not sure if aws would either on that count..)
1022693;1424205298;asciilifeform;for that, fix is generally easy, host in .ru
1022694;1424205302;jurov;aws will forward them to yo
1022695;1424205310;jurov;"explain or else"
1022696;1424205312;asciilifeform;but this is not a problem i have had the honour of having
1022697;1424205329;mike_c;jurov: but which way do they lean?  to kick you or to tell complainer to piss off?
1022698;1424205379;jurov;i didn't dare to find out just to keep a toy afloat
1022699;1424205390;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17958 @ 0.00042976 = 7.7176 BTC [+]
1022700;1424205453;kakobrekla;this is a classic, do it right with ev- or do it wrong
1022701;1424205583;jurov;!s abuse from:jurov
1022702;1424205584;assbot;4 results for 'abuse from:jurov' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=abuse+from%3Ajurov
1022703;1424205612;jurov;nope. i'm certain i talked about it here before.
1022704;1424205626;kakobrekla;prolly stemming issue
1022705;1424205639;mike_c;!s abus* from:jurov
1022706;1424205639;assbot;7 results for 'abus* from:jurov' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=abus%2A+from%3Ajurov
1022707;1424205661;*;kakobrekla was jus trollin
1022708;1424205668;mike_c;:)
1022709;1424205679;mike_c;kakobrekla: did you have any thoughts/opinions on wot dupe key issue?
1022710;1424205708;kakobrekla;you want dupe keys?
1022711;1424205716;mike_c;i want there not to be dupe keys.
1022712;1424205721;mike_c;but there are.
1022713;1424205728;kakobrekla;there are?
1022714;1424205752;mike_c;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-02-2015#1021889
1022715;1424205752;assbot;Logged on 17-02-2015 03:55:50; mike_c: (1632,'D515F7D3246A17BC20FDFD17B78C0531B3742186',1307807825,'chashew',1293858000,0),
1022716;1424205767;kakobrekla;maybe imported from gribble
1022717;1424205810;mike_c;i'd like to have unique constraint on fingerprint.  maybe boot the offending nicks from the db?
1022718;1424205854;kakobrekla;this takes us another step further away from a potential cross sync doesnt it
1022719;1424205867;mike_c;ugh.  perhaps.
1022720;1424205932;danielpbarron;SetBestChain: 1 of last 100 blocks above version 2   << anyone else seeing this in their .bitcoin/debug.log ?  does it have to do with 0.10 coming out?
1022721;1424206160;punkman;blocks version 3 now
1022722;1424206214;danielpbarron;well.. 1 in 100 at least
1022723;1424206262;punkman;oh and they are already talking about version 4
1022724;1424206315;danielpbarron;bu-but.. the forum poll said it had 60% support!? how can this 1% be?
1022725;1424206378;asciilifeform;axe-time, sword-time, coming closer.
1022726;1424206388;scoopbot;New post on Trilema by Mircea Popescu: http://trilema.com/2015/sooo-fetlife-is-butthurt/
1022727;1424206389;scoopbot;New post on Trilema by Mircea Popescu: http://trilema.com/2015/this-is-why-medicine-is-not-a-liberal-profession-but-a-servile-career/
1022728;1424206399;punkman;well v3 brings strict signature format, not such a bad thing
1022729;1424206428;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16250 @ 0.00042659 = 6.9321 BTC [-]
1022730;1424206434;asciilifeform;punkman: not bad thing if -we- do it
1022731;1424206441;asciilifeform;if phoundation does it - cure for cancer is bad thing.
1022732;1424206447;asciilifeform;ipso facto.
1022733;1424206886;thestringpuller;asciilifeform: i prefer hammer time
1022734;1424208678;danielpbarron;http://danielpbarron.com/v2.log.txt << it looks like the "version 2" thing got up to 5% of the hashrate and then dropped down to 1% over the course of the last week or so
1022735;1424208679;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1AiV4Iq )
1022736;1424208781;asciilifeform;'Blocks will be stored on disk out of order (in the order they are received, really), which makes it incompatible with some tools or other programs. Reindexing using earlier versions will also not work anymore as a result of this. The block index database will now hold headers for which no block is stored on disk, which earlier versions won�t support.'
1022737;1424208786;asciilifeform;^ shitgnomism without limit
1022738;1424208896;danielpbarron;also, the links to the public log from s.b-a.link add an extra unnecessary '/' in the root directory
1022739;1424208908;danielpbarron;link still works
1022740;1424208919;scoopbot;New post on Trilema by Mircea Popescu: http://trilema.com/2015/the-fetlife-meatlist-volume-ii/
1022741;1424209031;thestringpuller;asciilifeform: holy fuck this thing completely fucks up the blockchain. (0.10)
1022742;1424209068;thestringpuller;this box will need nuke to cleanse :(
1022743;1424209147;asciilifeform;'be smart - don't start'
1022744;1424209239;thestringpuller;the power rangers have outdone themselves this time...
1022745;1424209320;mod6;It's a shit-blizzard, Randy.
1022746;1424209342;thestringpuller;^-- this is great description
1022747;1424209400;thestringpuller;Bitcoin Phoundation Client is as if Ricky wrote it.
1022748;1424209843;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 40700 @ 0.00042659 = 17.3622 BTC [-]
1022749;1424210209;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 105069 @ 0.00043021 = 45.2017 BTC [+] {3} 
1022750;1424210819;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 156700 @ 0.00043403 = 68.0125 BTC [+] {2} 
1022751;1424210880;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 74809 @ 0.00042659 = 31.9128 BTC [-]
1022752;1424211063;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 127410 @ 0.00043522 = 55.4514 BTC [+] {3} 
1022753;1424211185;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 40590 @ 0.00043714 = 17.7435 BTC [+] {2} 
1022754;1424211746;punkman;http://longmountaingeneralstore.com/images/products/detail/03415571.jpg
1022755;1424211750;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1L9N40Z )
1022756;1424211924;lobbes;!rate jurov 1 Letting me derp about to get http://simpleshell.com/ back up and running
1022757;1424211924;assbot;Request successful, get your OTP: http://w.b-a.link/otp/a433a6dc63a3e33a
1022758;1424211925;assbot;SimpleShell ... ( http://bit.ly/1L9NBjH )
1022759;1424212344;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27157 @ 0.00043735 = 11.8771 BTC [+]
1022760;1424213015;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 63550 @ 0.0004339 = 27.5743 BTC [-]
1022761;1424213203;asciilifeform;in other news
1022762;1424213212;asciilifeform;i managed to order a couple of boards from that weirdo board house
1022763;1424213243;asciilifeform;costing almost exactly their weight in gold
1022764;1424213248;asciilifeform;and with >2wk lead time
1022765;1424213272;asciilifeform;curious if what arrives, actually works
1022766;1424213310;asciilifeform;(these were rng boards, which are analogue devices and for which i have means of testing conformance to spec)
1022767;1424213411;asciilifeform;the shop is a very new one ('macrofab') and their ordering gizmo is buggy as all hell
1022768;1424213420;asciilifeform;but finally agreed to take the money...
1022769;1424213551;Adlai;"Snapchat seeks new funding at up to $19 billion valuation" ie, "one interchangeable centralized messaging service butthurt over inferior valuation, seeks to call and raise"
1022770;1424213842;thestringpuller;LOL
1022771;1424213844;danielpbarron;!up hdbuck
1022772;1424213848;thestringpuller;They need more mone already?!?!?
1022773;1424213930;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4800 @ 0.0004339 = 2.0827 BTC [-]
1022774;1424214006;Adlai;gotta push the $ in $napcash
1022775;1424214047;danielpbarron;hdbuck, nice forum post :D
1022776;1424214475;asciilifeform;in yet unrelated, yet other news,
1022777;1424214485;asciilifeform;gnat-4.3.5 is a working gentoo ebuild
1022778;1424214497;asciilifeform;(gnat-gcc-4.3.5)
1022779;1424214561;mircea_popescu;cool
1022780;1424214784;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 36100 @ 0.00042902 = 15.4876 BTC [-]
1022781;1424215025;pete_dushenski;;;later tell cazalla for your qntrian consideration: https://dpaste.de/TXNN/raw
1022782;1424215025;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1A3TzyJ )
1022783;1424215025;gribble;The operation succeeded.
1022784;1424215036;pete_dushenski;BingoBoingo too ^
1022785;1424215078;asciilifeform;(for folks following the gnat thread, http://www.seas.gwu.edu/~mfeldman/ada-project-summary.html )
1022786;1424215080;assbot;Who's Using Ada? ... ( http://bit.ly/1A3THyf )
1022787;1424215455;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 3000 @ 0.00077898 = 2.3369 BTC [-] {5} 
1022788;1424215579;pete_dushenski;shkoopaloop: http://www.contravex.com/2015/02/17/the-fable-of-willful-ignorance/
1022789;1424215580;assbot;The fable of willful ignorance. | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski ... ( http://bit.ly/1yTS2Gz )
1022790;1424215605;pete_dushenski;^featuring the late great mike hearn
1022791;1424215665;mircea_popescu;heh okat
1022792;1424215775;pete_dushenski;;;later tell cazalla i forgot a title! please to consider "CAVIRTEX, the biggest Bitcoin exchange in Canada, closes doors out of embarrassment "
1022793;1424215776;gribble;The operation succeeded.
1022794;1424215829;jurov;pete_dushenski: did you mention how many bitcoins(from IPO) have they walked away with?
1022795;1424215838;pete_dushenski;yup
1022796;1424215840;pete_dushenski;4k
1022797;1424215930;pete_dushenski;though they apparently "intend" to "communicate" with "loyal shareholders"
1022798;1424215950;pete_dushenski;as if any of those words were descriptive or actionable
1022799;1424215958;pete_dushenski;but hey, gotta pretend!
1022800;1424215963;thestringpuller;oh mike hearn is undead too?
1022801;1424215979;pete_dushenski;mr. heartbleed ?
1022802;1424215982;pete_dushenski;oh most certainly
1022803;1424216008;ben_vulpes;<asciilifeform> i'm renting a physical (yes) box for ~25 usd / mo << wherewherewhere
1022804;1424216014;mircea_popescu;lmao
1022805;1424216117;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: 'corenetworks'
1022806;1424216141;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: not the best shop in the world, but doesn't suck donkey balls in exactly the way most of'em do
1022807;1424216147;ben_vulpes;waaaaa
1022808;1424216185;ben_vulpes;<3
1022809;1424216187;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11441 @ 0.00042659 = 4.8806 BTC [-]
1022810;1424216248;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 37073 @ 0.00042375 = 15.7097 BTC [-]
1022811;1424216525;Adlai;asciilifeform: which concern is (yes) meant to answer?
1022812;1424216538;ben_vulpes;asciilifeform: in what interesting and special ways *does* it suck?
1022813;1424216549;asciilifeform;Adlai: wai wat
1022814;1424216592;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: generally, you get what you pay for and 'tanstaafl.' the 25 usd box (if they've any left) won't be a 64-core pleasureopteron
1022815;1424216597;Adlai;"i'm renting a physical *(yes)* box" <- as in, "have i visited the box personally and confirmed that it occupies the same reality as me? _yes_"
1022816;1424216620;ben_vulpes;asciilifeform: i did learn how to read a datasheet in the mines.
1022817;1424216639;ben_vulpes;just 'cause this one has css doesn't change the selection process.
1022818;1424216649;asciilifeform;Adlai: if it's a vm, it passes all known tests for physicality (incl. timing) and the hypothetical fakers should not settle for the small change of running a hosting co., but go into malware
1022819;1424216656;ben_vulpes;ty nevertheless
1022820;1424216707;Adlai;asciilifeform: ok, $25/mo was seeming awfully cheap for a datacenter where customers visit their inmates
1022821;1424216727;asciilifeform;now, despite fact that 'you get what you pay,' the sc4mz0rz who try to herd common folks into 'enterprisey' golden toilet service contracts are still scum
1022822;1424216764;asciilifeform;but they've largely succeeded in destroying the 'golden median' between goldentoilet and vm crapola
1022823;1424216769;nanotube;<mircea_popescu> nanotube ^ can two nicks have same gpg fingerprint ? <- nope, gribble checks upon registration if the key is already in use.
1022824;1424216800;*;Adlai theoretically should migrate scalpl to somesuch bare minimum hosting... but the current box hasn't broken yet, so there's nothing to fix!
1022825;1424216806;asciilifeform;that being, modest 'grey haired' boxes (as old as p3) with a modest mirrored raid, mechanical disks, half a gb of ram
1022826;1424216815;Adlai;half a gb!
1022827;1424216819;asciilifeform;what.
1022828;1424216838;thestringpuller;that used to be a lot back in da day
1022829;1424216847;asciilifeform;unless you're in the physics model business, that's -still- enough for any sane application
1022830;1424216849;Adlai;it's enough for my development bots
1022831;1424216850;Adlai;yep
1022832;1424216905;mircea_popescu;nanotube well somehow mike_c found a case.
1022833;1424216910;asciilifeform;Adlai: boxes that -i personally- could visit where i live start around ~1k usd/mo
1022834;1424216916;asciilifeform;at the lowest possible end.
1022835;1424216918;Adlai;http://i.imgur.com/7Hl2wBb.png
1022836;1424216919;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1AC8gv4 )
1022837;1424216935;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-02-2015#1021889
1022838;1424216935;assbot;Logged on 17-02-2015 03:55:50; mike_c: (1632,'D515F7D3246A17BC20FDFD17B78C0531B3742186',1307807825,'chashew',1293858000,0),
1022839;1424216951;asciilifeform;Adlai: how come you don't use 'save-lisp-and-die' ?
1022840;1424217016;Adlai;some mix of: lazyness, the desire to periodically load my code into a fresh image, and ansi cl portability
1022841;1424217075;asciilifeform;also why exactly are the separate instances running as separate unix processes
1022842;1424217080;asciilifeform;(rather than sbcl threads)
1022843;1424217102;asciilifeform;sbcl supports proper (native) threading for ages now, iirc
1022844;1424217105;Adlai;"Tasks: 27, 90 thr"
1022845;1424217134;asciilifeform;that doesn't answer why it needs >1 sbcl running
1022846;1424217214;Adlai;it's 3 images for 4 bots, the two on the same exchange share an image; it's currently *possible* to run multiple on multiple exchanges from the same image, see 'lazyness etc'
1022847;1424217238;Adlai;also nice to have some level of isolation if i royally screw up one image
1022848;1424217398;Adlai;swap is there as a failsafe, it ran just fine 101 days without it, but i'd rather not take chances if things go crazy while i'm asleep
1022849;1424217834;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34700 @ 0.00043498 = 15.0938 BTC [+] {2} 
1022850;1424217974;jurov;or it will thrash to oblivion... better with no swap - OOM killer comes quickly
1022851;1424218115;Adlai;the vast majority of the data in memory is hardly ever touched and belongs in some less volatile storage
1022852;1424218444;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15150 @ 0.00042509 = 6.4401 BTC [-]
1022853;1424218651;Adlai;ahahahaha pete_dushenski thank you for https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E-W1weeK2UA#t=242 this is just what i needed before sleep
1022854;1424218653;assbot;Dogeparty 2014 - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1ACeJX7 )
1022855;1424218672;pete_dushenski;lol my pleasure
1022856;1424218690;pete_dushenski;that video made me laugh for a good few minutes
1022857;1424218734;mircea_popescu;ahaha ofmg
1022858;1424218794;Adlai;"like LEIKA?"
1022859;1424218801;Adlai;is where i died
1022860;1424218810;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25009 @ 0.00043857 = 10.9682 BTC [+]
1022861;1424218828;Adlai;incidentally, she did to, as will the doge
1022862;1424218871;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6862 @ 0.00043903 = 3.0126 BTC [+]
1022863;1424218955;BingoBoingo;pete_dushenski: http://qntra.net/2015/02/cavirtex-shutting-down-withdrawals-temporarily-disabled/
1022864;1424218956;assbot;CAVIRTEX Shutting Down Withdrawals "Temporarily Disabled" | Qntra.net ... ( http://bit.ly/1ACfQpG )
1022865;1424218987;mircea_popescu;will ?
1022866;1424218988;mircea_popescu;lolk
1022867;1424219019;scoopbot;New post on Qntra.net by pete_dushenski: http://qntra.net/2015/02/cavirtex-shutting-down-withdrawals-temporarily-disabled/
1022868;1424219071;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: the sheer amount of smoke and misdirection being sprayed over the disk diddler article is epic << Interested in producing a likbez for qntra on this sort of disinformation, in this case specifically?
1022869;1424219105;mike_c;nanotube: here's the weirdness:
1022870;1424219116;mike_c;http://bitcoin-otc.com/viewgpg.php?nick=chashew
1022871;1424219117;assbot;#bitcoin-otc gpg key data ... ( http://bit.ly/1ACgqUs )
1022872;1424219124;mike_c;http://bitcoin-otc.com/viewgpg.php?nick=bolzer
1022873;1424219125;assbot;#bitcoin-otc gpg key data ... ( http://bit.ly/1ACgumX )
1022874;1424219128;pete_dushenski;BingoBoingo nice :D
1022875;1424219137;mike_c;note they have same fingerprint, but with chashew the keyid and fingerprint don't match
1022876;1424219178;mike_c;and that's simply the first one i noticed, i didn't continue to find others
1022877;1424219307;nanotube;mike_c: yep, got it. thanks :)
1022878;1424219359;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 38500 @ 0.00042483 = 16.356 BTC [-] {2} 
1022879;1424219657;scoopbot;New post on Trilema by Mircea Popescu: http://trilema.com/2015/causes-and-purposes/
1022880;1424219786;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18771 @ 0.00043328 = 8.1331 BTC [+]
1022881;1424220172;ben_vulpes;re: cavirtex hahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha
1022882;1424220175;ben_vulpes;fuck joseph david.
1022883;1424221165;cazalla;i actually saw this the other day https://twitter.com/CAVIRTEX/status/567328589993897984 but let it slide as the website said something a little different (BTC and LTC wallets have been disabled due to a known issue. All customer funds are safe. Please be patient while we address the issue.)and i figured it would turn out as a nothing, way to be wrong eh
1022884;1424221167;assbot;BTC and LTC deposits & withdrawals are temporarily disabled while we investigate suspicious activity. All client funds are safe and secure.
1022885;1424221209;cazalla;well yesterday even
1022886;1424221211;ben_vulpes;safe and secure in the ca government's hands.
1022887;1424221906;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: can you elaborate specifically what part of it all you suppose merits a whole article ?
1022888;1424221961;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: The part where other outlets sucked at covering it.
1022889;1424221979;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: an article about how 500 other articles sucked donkey balls ?
1022890;1424221986;asciilifeform;that doesn't sound very interesting
1022891;1424222024;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: Basically. Your shiva hands are full though. In understand if this is a least interesting problem you could fill them with.
1022892;1424222025;asciilifeform;but there are thing that ought to be said
1022893;1424222035;asciilifeform;gimme a cheat sheet on how to format
1022894;1424222042;asciilifeform;need to include a photograph or two
1022895;1424222145;BingoBoingo;just like pete did is fine https://dpaste.de/TXNN/raw emailing photos is is prolly the best way to get them in. emailing text works too.
1022896;1424222146;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1MvE5cb )
1022897;1424222226;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11017 @ 0.00043778 = 4.823 BTC [+] {2} 
1022898;1424222286;cazalla;google still picks up dpaste, would be better to use email or at least something google cannot scrape before it gets on qntra
1022899;1424222287;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 44783 @ 0.00043963 = 19.688 BTC [+] {2} 
1022900;1424222314;asciilifeform;to whose key should send ?
1022901;1424222338;cazalla;either or
1022902;1424222612;BingoBoingo;;;later tell pete_dushenski pls GPG the paste site submissions
1022903;1424222612;gribble;The operation succeeded.
1022904;1424222992;BingoBoingo;512 days of history left for 0.7.2 "Why the fuck" edition to sync
1022905;1424223315;cazalla;perhaps it is coincidence but since 0.10 core came out, my active connections are up to 60-80 and upload has almost doubled
1022906;1424223322;cazalla;i am not running 0.10 mind you
1022907;1424223731;danielpbarron;i haven't seen any blocks mined with this new version in a while
1022908;1424224178;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27200 @ 0.00042454 = 11.5475 BTC [-]
1022909;1424224285;thestringpuller;my client limits connections to 8 lol
1022910;1424224293;thestringpuller;don't want all those filthy people connected to me
1022911;1424225764;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19858 @ 0.00042454 = 8.4305 BTC [-]
1022912;1424225886;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 36814 @ 0.00041964 = 15.4486 BTC [-]
1022913;1424226256;cazalla;i
1022914;1424226296;cazalla;i'm cleaning up and what do i see.. a spider, but one i've never seen before http://i.imgur.com/5Es7jlg.jpg
1022915;1424226298;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/19uu0NE )
1022916;1424226374;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 48200 @ 0.00044019 = 21.2172 BTC [+]
1022917;1424226542;BingoBoingo;cazalla: Is it dead yet?
1022918;1424226598;cazalla;not yet and provided he keeps his distance, i won't do him in
1022919;1424226673;BingoBoingo;Gotta assume he is more poinsonous than normal
1022920;1424226765;cazalla;i think he is this guy http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deinopis_subrufa
1022921;1424226766;assbot;Deinopis subrufa - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ... ( http://bit.ly/19uvuas )
1022922;1424226801;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 56817 @ 0.00044046 = 25.0256 BTC [+] {2} 
1022923;1424226934;BingoBoingo;cazalla: Note it is native to Australia. Explicitly mentioning it being poisonous would be redundant
1022924;1424226938;scoopbot;New post on Trilema by Mircea Popescu: http://trilema.com/2015/joe-stack-1956-2010/
1022925;1424226949;asciilifeform;can someone dredge up mircea_popescu's old article which mentioned the imperative to use nonstandard computing arrangements to frustrate 'one size fits all' usg idiocies ?
1022926;1424226959;asciilifeform;specifically this concept, as a paragraph or two
1022927;1424226981;cazalla;BingoBoingo, he's not poisonous, at least not to me
1022928;1424227076;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: The paragraph under this roman numberal? http://trilema.com/2013/how-to-airgap-a-practical-guide/#identifier_6_49997
1022929;1424227077;assbot;How to airgap. A practical guide. pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.  ... ( http://bit.ly/19uwqM9 )
1022930;1424227099;asciilifeform;no.
1022931;1424227181;BingoBoingo;hmm
1022932;1424227284;BingoBoingo;What about http://trilema.com/2014/the-finfisherfinspy-story-for-posterity/
1022933;1424227284;assbot;The FinFisher/FinSpy story, for posterity. pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.  ... ( http://bit.ly/19uwZFR )
1022934;1424227344;BingoBoingo;Or http://trilema.com/2014/strategic-thinking-as-an-exercise/
1022935;1424227345;assbot;Strategic thinking as an exercise pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.  ... ( http://bit.ly/19ux4cp )
1022936;1424227404;asciilifeform;thx
1022937;1424227407;asciilifeform;that last one's it.
1022938;1424227423;BingoBoingo;k
1022939;1424228082;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 48050 @ 0.00044273 = 21.2732 BTC [-]
1022940;1424228326;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 32100 @ 0.00041939 = 13.4624 BTC [-] {2} 
1022941;1424228917;thestringpuller;cazalla: http://www.statisticbrain.com/startup-failure-by-industry/ << interesting re: crunchbase thingie discussed last night
1022942;1424228936;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24500 @ 0.00044273 = 10.8469 BTC [+]
1022943;1424229058;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 37500 @ 0.00044458 = 16.6718 BTC [+]
1022944;1424229150;scoopbot;New post on Qntra.net by thestringpuller: http://qntra.net/2015/02/vermont-bitcoin-atm-cease-and-desist-requested/
1022945;1424229432;danielpbarron;"with additional fines possible prison time"  s/fines possible/fines and possible/c
1022946;1424229458;mike_c;cazalla: is pete's article out of date?  cavirtex is closing, no temporary about it
1022947;1424229491;mike_c;oh, confusing.  maybe just change the title?
1022948;1424229498;mike_c;the body says it is closing for good
1022949;1424229513;cazalla;just needs a comma, i'll fix
1022950;1424229519;BingoBoingo;danielpbarron: fxd
1022951;1424229530;mike_c;ohhh, i get it.  time for bed i think.
1022952;1424229568;mike_c;yeah, comma helps.  thanks.
1022953;1424230034;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11231 @ 0.00044458 = 4.9931 BTC [+]
1022954;1424230100;scoopbot;New post on Qntra.net by cazalla: http://qntra.net/2015/02/silk-road-meth-dealer-pleads-guilty/
1022955;1424230179;cazalla;thestringpuller, i thought failure rate due to fraud would be hi gher
1022956;1424230217;thestringpuller;for what?
1022957;1424230220;thestringpuller;oh
1022958;1424230225;thestringpuller;that thing I posted
1022959;1424230226;thestringpuller;yea
1022960;1424230970;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: am i to use your original wot key ?
1022961;1424230972;asciilifeform;or what
1022962;1424230986;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: WoT key works
1022963;1424232093;BingoBoingo;;;bc,stats
1022964;1424232098;gribble;Current Blocks: 343987 | Current Difficulty: 4.44554159623438E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 344735 | Next Difficulty In: 748 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 4 days, 19 hours, 49 minutes, and 9 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 45992117595.4 | Estimated Percent Change: 3.45673
1022965;1424232224;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: http://dpaste.com/114FS2Z.txt
1022966;1424232225;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1CGUYZl )
1022967;1424232229;asciilifeform;plz confirm
1022968;1424232352;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6100 @ 0.00043767 = 2.6698 BTC [-]
1022969;1424232401;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: paste checksum of plaintext when you get it
1022970;1424232719;BingoBoingo;7b0e48befe8051bdeb8a31272abb1b9067928e4a237110105897334a08b02fd197b47a52a3eb4bb508a2983b75e0457f059c85aff0f8aea9a161cb83fee14e31 << FOr plaintext saved as name "test.txt"
1022971;1424232741;asciilifeform;ok
1022972;1424232755;asciilifeform;it'll need a bit of formatting work
1022973;1424232765;asciilifeform;(there are links to linkify and images to imagify)
1022974;1424232772;asciilifeform;but otherwise ready to roll, imho.
1022975;1424232785;BingoBoingo;Cool, I'll get to assembling the package
1022976;1424232791;asciilifeform;neato.
1022977;1424232846;mike_c;ascii's qntra debut?
1022978;1424232862;BingoBoingo;mike_c: Nah he has an earlier likbez
1022979;1424232870;BingoBoingo;;;google buterin's waterfall
1022980;1424232871;gribble;Buterin's Waterfall, a Likbez | Qntra.net: <http://qntra.net/2014/11/buterins-waterfall-a-likbez/>; Buterin's Waterfall. : Bitcoin - Reddit: <http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/2ljrdi/buterins_waterfall>; [Documentary Interview] Vitalik Buterin - Bitcoin Is A Transition ...: <http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/2mge5h/documentary_interview_vitalik_buterin_bitcoin_is/>
1022981;1424232878;mike_c;oh yeah.  of course.
1022982;1424233532;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: please make sure the fragile externally linked stuff (marked) is mirrored
1022983;1424233593;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: Working on that with cazalla
1022984;1424233600;asciilifeform;aha
1022985;1424233603;decimation;asciilifeform: I was thinking about a 'home chip fab'
1022986;1424233611;decimation;obviously modern lithography ain't gonna work
1022987;1424233620;decimation;not to mention the provision of masks, etc
1022988;1424233638;asciilifeform;the need for a steerable beam process is pretty clear
1022989;1424233677;decimation;the beam would spray 'dope' in the appropriate spots?
1022990;1424233691;asciilifeform;that'd be the extant 'ion beam workstation'
1022991;1424233696;asciilifeform;not useful for our purposes
1022992;1424233719;asciilifeform;as it demands high vacuum, among other finicky and expensive things
1022993;1424233733;decimation;what if an actual fab created a grid of transistors, and a home laser could 'blow' the appropriate areas for the wanted logic
1022994;1424233740;asciilifeform;this exists
1022995;1424233746;asciilifeform;called antifuse fpga
1022996;1424233756;asciilifeform;sucks for exactly the same reasons as ordinary fpga
1022997;1424233758;asciilifeform;but sucks even harder
1022998;1424233763;decimation;I'm sure it does
1022999;1424233768;decimation;but we are talking chip printing
1023000;1424233774;asciilifeform;that isn't chip printing
1023001;1424233780;asciilifeform;that's existing idiocy.
1023002;1424233788;asciilifeform;anyone who wants - open catalogue, buy right now.
1023003;1424233806;decimation;I guess my point is that it seems to be science fiction to me
1023004;1424233807;asciilifeform;welcome to propagation delays 100s of mSec long. and idiot proprietary toolchains
1023005;1424233816;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 198233 @ 0.00044605 = 88.4218 BTC [+] {5} 
1023006;1424233817;asciilifeform;decimation: thus far, it is.
1023007;1424233829;asciilifeform;no one has yet suggested a practical means of doing it.
1023008;1424233832;asciilifeform;that i know of.
1023009;1424233860;asciilifeform;the only thing that seems certain imho is that starting from existing concept of ic fab is a dead end
1023010;1424233877;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24267 @ 0.00044887 = 10.8927 BTC [+]
1023011;1424233878;decimation;that I agree with
1023012;1424233878;asciilifeform;probably needs entirely new chemistry.
1023013;1424233893;decimation;I don't see how one could 'shrink' a fab into anything smaller than it is (as it currently exists)
1023014;1424233911;asciilifeform;that's the wrong thought.
1023015;1424233920;asciilifeform;we don't necessarily need to 'shrink the classical fab'
1023016;1424233947;asciilifeform;but to somehow lay out electrical logic elements at the customary densities without resort to a $1B factory.
1023017;1424233950;decimation;the alternative would be to have some kind of technology that would enable the precise manipulation of atoms at scale
1023018;1424233973;asciilifeform;good thermodynamic reasons to conclude that it is not doable in the general case
1023019;1424233978;asciilifeform;(resolves to 'maxwell's daemon')
1023020;1424234041;decimation;then again, I can envision a tradition fab becoming cheaper
1023021;1424234055;asciilifeform;as i pointed out earlier,
1023022;1424234067;asciilifeform;none of the items that comprise most of the expense have changed since day one.
1023023;1424234074;decimation;no
1023024;1424234084;decimation;they get more expensive, depending on your inflation factor
1023025;1424234088;asciilifeform;aha.
1023026;1424234101;decimation;high power euv light source isn't cheap
1023027;1424234103;asciilifeform;high vacuum, for instance, is still achieved in much the same ways as in 1930s
1023028;1424234115;asciilifeform;the energy required to melt Si is ever the same
1023029;1424234124;asciilifeform;(but costlier, as decimation points out, with inflation)
1023030;1424234125;asciilifeform;etc.
1023031;1424234131;decimation;there have been incremental improvements
1023032;1424234138;decimation;but not the orders of magnitude needed
1023033;1424234142;asciilifeform;aha.
1023034;1424234160;asciilifeform;nothing that threatens to put it in your friendly local illegal machine shop, much less your kitchen.
1023035;1424234187;decimation;no, that would require a 'cheapening factor' of around 10000
1023036;1424234195;*;asciilifeform for one would rather not have HF in his kitchen
1023037;1424234200;decimation;lol
1023038;1424234207;decimation;it's good fer ur bones
1023039;1424234273;decimation;asciilifeform: that was a neat link about ada
1023040;1424234283;decimation;I wasn't aware that it was still going strong in non-defense areas
1023041;1424234321;asciilifeform;i've learned that there is not actually a good substitute for ada, as of yet.
1023042;1424234332;asciilifeform;as in, something that actually provides the same functionality
1023043;1424234346;asciilifeform;without the 'bondage & discipline' stylistic aspects
1023044;1424234363;decimation;the trouble is that it seems the real toolchains used by these projects are all $$$ commercial
1023045;1424234368;asciilifeform;nope.
1023046;1424234382;asciilifeform;gnat is both widely used and gpl
1023047;1424234404;asciilifeform;(one of the conditions for the ancient usg mandate establishing ada 'foundation' is that the product must be gpl'ed)
1023048;1424234407;decimation;I guess the difference is the 'usg certificate'
1023049;1424234418;asciilifeform;the certificate has nothing to do with ada per se
1023050;1424234421;[]bot;Bet created: "BTC to top $500 before 1st May" http://bitbet.us/bet/1120/
1023051;1424234422;asciilifeform;and is a separate racket
1023052;1424234426;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 47900 @ 0.0004491 = 21.5119 BTC [+] {2} 
1023053;1424234426;asciilifeform;for which the chumps, yes, pay
1023054;1424234429;decimation;no it's the real time os I think
1023055;1424234449;asciilifeform;at any rate, all of the 'standard library' is public
1023056;1424234455;asciilifeform;and (iirc) lgpl
1023057;1424234476;asciilifeform;there are proprietary ada systems, yes. i have not been able to learn who uses them, and for what.
1023058;1424234520;asciilifeform;but this being one of the only two programming languages in existence which are -standardized in their entirety-, in principle there is no reason - aside from retardation - to use a proprietary ada
1023059;1424234537;asciilifeform;- actually - i can think of one
1023060;1424234553;asciilifeform;gnat/gcc lacks support for some of the more exotic chips used
1023061;1424234565;asciilifeform;'MIL-STD-1750A' etc.
1023062;1424234576;asciilifeform;^ yes - actual cpu!
1023063;1424234592;decimation;http://archive.adaic.com/projects/atwork/boeing.html << "For these projects, Honeywell purchased DDC-I, Inc.'s Ada Compiler System, using it as the front-end source for Honeywell's symbolic debugger. "
1023064;1424234594;assbot;The Boeing 777 Flies on 99.9% Ada ... ( http://bit.ly/1AQmXtd )
1023065;1424234628;[]bot;Bet placed: 1 BTC for Yes on "BTC to top $500 before 1st May" http://bitbet.us/bet/1120/ Odds: 94(Y):6(N) by coin, 94(Y):6(N) by weight. Total bet: 1.1 BTC. Current weight: 99,996.
1023066;1424234680;decimation;asciilifeform: you can probably get access to mil-std's
1023067;1424234752;asciilifeform;considering that the sole remaining makers of the product described in that one are chinese...
1023068;1424234755;asciilifeform;not so hard
1023069;1424234772;asciilifeform;at any rate, all of the ada-related material is thoroughly public
1023070;1424234825;asciilifeform;and guess which are the only two programming languages to have 'rationale manuals' for every aspect of the language ?
1023071;1424234840;asciilifeform;i can sorta see why naggum went in for ada
1023072;1424234841;decimation;"23-Jan-2015                        MILITARY STANDARD        Sixteen-Bit Computer Instruction Set ArchitectureMIL-STD-1750A, dated 12-Apr-2010, remains inactive for newdesign; however, the document is valid for use."
1023073;1424234850;asciilifeform;it's a kind of 'polar opposite' of common lisp..
1023074;1424234874;decimation;wouldn't you put it in the 'algol' family?
1023075;1424234884;asciilifeform;decimation: that's traditional notation for a standard that no longer has a working group but has not been retracted
1023076;1424234898;asciilifeform;decimation: definitely. more specifically, pascal-likes.
1023077;1424234920;asciilifeform;(ada is quite like a more 'fascist' incarnation of pascal)
1023078;1424234983;asciilifeform;phun phact:
1023079;1424235001;asciilifeform;quite a few usg-sponsored war projects are still -struggling to modernize to ada-
1023080;1424235021;asciilifeform;and making use of 1970s-era monstrosities (e.g., 'JOVIAL')
1023081;1424235021;decimation;heh yeah
1023082;1424235039;decimation;another example is the 'next gen' faa routing system
1023083;1424235135;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: http://qntra.net/2015/02/your-disk-controller-and-you/
1023084;1424235136;assbot;Your Disk Controller and You | Qntra.net ... ( http://bit.ly/1AQov6k )
1023085;1424235152;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: image blows up
1023086;1424235161;asciilifeform;size it down to 640x480 perhaps
1023087;1424235167;scoopbot;New post on Qntra.net by asciilifeform: http://qntra.net/2015/02/your-disk-controller-and-you/
1023088;1424235196;thestringpuller;oh nice article asciilifeform
1023089;1424235314;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: / .. / - italics
1023090;1424235317;decimation;asciilifeform: I once visited an faa 'en-route' center when I was a youth
1023091;1424235322;*;asciilifeform thought that this was well-established
1023092;1424235331;decimation;back then they were using ancient mainframes that were pitiful in their capabilities
1023093;1424235384;decimation;http://airandspace.si.edu/collections/artifact.cfm?object=nasm_A19970498000
1023094;1424235385;assbot;Control Panel, Air Traffic Control Computer, IBM 9020 | National Air and Space Museum ... ( http://bit.ly/1AQp4xc )
1023095;1424235583;BingoBoingo;fx's applied
1023096;1424235594;decimation;yeah the ibm 9020 was programmed in JOVIAL
1023097;1424235615;decimation;apparently the 'new' system is a complete rewrite in ada
1023098;1424235624;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: neato! ty
1023099;1424235641;BingoBoingo;You are very welcome and thank you.
1023100;1424235648;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: one left in footnote 2
1023101;1424235654;asciilifeform;other than that, looks perfect
1023102;1424235690;BingoBoingo;fixed
1023103;1424235692;asciilifeform;was a bit of a hurried job on my part, BingoBoingo asked for a likbez, and,
1023104;1424235699;*;asciilifeform knew he would not have time to write later this week
1023105;1424235702;asciilifeform;and hence this.
1023106;1424235750;asciilifeform;decimation: i can't help but wonder if somewhere, in a damp cellar, a kid is studying 'JOVIAL'
1023107;1424235758;asciilifeform;thinking 'now i'll find work'
1023108;1424235775;decimation;well, it would have been a paying gig for 40 years now
1023109;1424235783;asciilifeform;for the 'old boys'
1023110;1424235802;decimation;'the old boys' are retiring
1023111;1424235816;asciilifeform;so are, one might note, their machines.
1023112;1424235841;decimation;indeed, the problem with the machines isn't that they are broken
1023113;1424235853;decimation;it's that no one knows how they work exactly
1023114;1424235870;decimation;'no one' in the sense of anyone employed directly be usg
1023115;1424236315;decimation;https://recode.net/2015/02/15/white-house-red-chair-obama-meets-swisher/
1023116;1424236316;assbot;President Barack Obama Speaks with Kara Swisher (Full Transcript) | Re/code ... ( http://bit.ly/1AQrRWV )
1023117;1424236347;decimation;"Let’s talk about encryption. What’s wrong with what Google and Apple are doing? You have encrypted email — shouldn’t everybody have encrypted email, or have their protections?  Everybody should. And I’m a strong believer in strong encryption."
1023118;1424236455;decimation;"I’m as strong as I have been. I think the only concern is our law enforcement is expected to stop every plot. Every attack. Any bomb on a plane. The first time that attack takes place in which it turns out that we had a lead and we couldn’t follow up on it, the public’s going to demand answers."  < 'leadership' at its finest
1023119;1424236465;asciilifeform;bureaucrats, snore.
1023120;1424236496;decimation;"So there’s no scenario in which we don’t want really strong encryption. The narrow question is going to be if there is a proper request for … this isn’t bulk collection, this isn’t sort of fishing expeditions by government."
1023121;1424236511;decimation;we want strong encryption that can be compromised
1023122;1424236525;decimation;now that's something I can stand for!
1023123;1424236610;decimation;"And you’re still with the BlackBerry, right?
1023124;1424236611;decimation;I use a BlackBerry mainly because I’m so restricted in what I can do that it’s basically just messages, and it’s still easier for me to tap off the [BlackBerry]. But basically most of my non-work-related stuff, I’m working off the iPad."
1023125;1424236619;decimation;What non-work-related stuff does Obama 'do'?
1023126;1424236625;decimation;like, playing angry birds?
1023127;1424236629;asciilifeform;tetris ?
1023128;1424236654;decimation;maybe he plays 'risk' against putin
1023129;1424236661;decimation;"Ukraine is weak!"
1023130;1424236758;decimation;asciilifeform: did you know that the latest C++ standard includes a lame implementation of 'lambda'?
1023131;1424236764;asciilifeform;aha
1023132;1424236784;decimation;I was reading a newer C++ text today and laughed when I saw it
1023133;1424236791;asciilifeform;!s sword hilts
1023134;1424236792;assbot;0 results for 'sword hilts' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=sword+hilts
1023135;1424236796;asciilifeform;!s sword hilt
1023136;1424236797;assbot;2 results for 'sword hilt' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=sword+hilt
1023137;1424236800;asciilifeform;here we go
1023138;1424236800;decimation;aye
1023139;1424236912;decimation;maybe the next version will include an ascii-art image of dr. mccarthy
1023140;1424237171;mod6;well look at that: http://dpaste.com/1Y82G5E
1023141;1424237172;assbot;dpaste: 1Y82G5E ... ( http://bit.ly/1AQulEO )
1023142;1424237173;mod6;it works!
1023143;1424237179;*;mod6 pulls blocks
1023144;1424237196;mod6;already have 11k and counting
1023145;1424237200;asciilifeform;weight ?
1023146;1424237203;mod6;22mb
1023147;1424237210;asciilifeform;cpu ?
1023148;1424237224;asciilifeform;and is 22mb the stripped elf ?
1023149;1424237246;mod6;ah, no that's not stripped.
1023150;1424237253;asciilifeform;strip plz
1023151;1424237262;asciilifeform;i'm assuming x86 ?
1023152;1424237268;mod6;the last 3 commands of that build script never seem to run for some reason
1023153;1424237273;mod6;yeah x86_64
1023154;1424237278;asciilifeform;aha
1023155;1424237348;mod6;lemme stop and strip and re-report, but here: http://dpaste.com/3HEJS6G
1023156;1424237349;assbot;dpaste: 3HEJS6G ... ( http://bit.ly/1CH82Ov )
1023157;1424237443;mod6;ok here we go: http://dpaste.com/0RQ3Q8K
1023158;1424237444;assbot;dpaste: 0RQ3Q8K ... ( http://bit.ly/1CH8goI )
1023159;1424237461;asciilifeform;5.8M << neato
1023160;1424237487;mod6;yeah :]
1023161;1424237624;asciilifeform;unrelated, http://www.delcoremyhistory.com/Products/missilebattery.htm << how to build battery with 'infinite' shelf life? here's one way
1023162;1424237625;assbot;Delco Remy Division - Product History - Missile Battery ... ( http://bit.ly/1CH8FHI )
1023163;1424237702;decimation;http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/aviation/11291495/UK-flights-chaos-Air-traffic-control-computers-using-software-from-the-1960s.html < " Prof Thomas said the NAS system was written using a now defunct computer language called Jovial, meaning Nats has to train programmers in Jovial just to maintain the antiquated software. "
1023164;1424237704;assbot;UK flights chaos: Air traffic control computers using software from the 1960s - Telegraph ... ( http://bit.ly/1CH8RH5 )
1023165;1424237712;mod6;im already at 100k blocks.
1023166;1424237778;decimation;asciilifeform: I like how the internal schematic is etched on the device
1023167;1424237832;asciilifeform;i find it peculiar that only one such battery appears to have been mounted
1023168;1424237861;asciilifeform;(one might imagine a museum exhibit could have been 'censored' but there is no obvious place in the guidance barrel for a second)
1023169;1424237909;decimation;well, maybe that's why there are two 'squibs' to release the electrolyte?
1023170;1424237914;asciilifeform;sure
1023171;1424237917;asciilifeform;but only one battery
1023172;1424237936;asciilifeform;what if.
1023173;1424237941;decimation;well, there are two in the unit "A" and "B"
1023174;1424237978;decimation;maybe that was considered enough redundancy?  who knows.
1023175;1424237998;asciilifeform;my guess is that the rocket itself was viewed as 'redundant'
1023176;1424238002;asciilifeform;what's one less, one more.
1023177;1424238007;decimation;yeah
1023178;1424238010;decimation;I'm surprised they didn't use the heat coming off the nuclear core for some purpose
1023179;1424238010;asciilifeform;that'd be the logical thing.
1023180;1424238016;asciilifeform;not so much of it
1023181;1424238030;decimation;heh yeah probably not for the logic of that day
1023182;1424238033;asciilifeform;about same as a teapot.
1023183;1424238040;asciilifeform;heatwise
1023184;1424238050;decimation;could be enough to run a small modern micro
1023185;1424238075;asciilifeform;if you've a way to reliably chill the cold end of thermocouple - sur
1023186;1424238075;asciilifeform;e
1023187;1424238096;decimation;ah that's a good point
1023188;1424238099;asciilifeform;but these things had mechanical disks (!), ferrite bead memory (2nd ver.), mechanical vanes, etc
1023189;1424238220;decimation;another view of the devices inside http://www.techbastard.com/missile/minuteman/guidance.php
1023190;1424238222;assbot;Minuteman Guidance System ... ( http://bit.ly/1CHa5Ch )
1023191;1424238228;asciilifeform;http://lanbob.com/lanbob/HDL-V1955-1970AS/HD60MM1.htm << more schematics
1023192;1424238230;assbot;HD1960MM1 ... ( http://bit.ly/1CHa8he )
1023193;1424238245;asciilifeform;platinum toilet.
1023194;1424238324;asciilifeform;^ very interesting link, one of the designers spills various technical beans
1023195;1424238330;asciilifeform;with napkin sketches, etc
1023196;1424238349;asciilifeform;either a 'loose lips' or - more likely - ancient disinfo reworked for www
1023197;1424238396;asciilifeform;(an american national sport was, at one time, to 'turn loose' mildly buggy military w4r3z for ru folks to find)
1023198;1424238397;ben_vulpes;<asciilifeform> [] but to somehow lay out electrical logic elements at the customary densities without resort to a $1B factory. << for the record, this is a hobble.
1023199;1424238409;ben_vulpes;customary densities are a product of red queen dynamics.
1023200;1424238428;asciilifeform;customary - at least something like an intel 4004
1023201;1424238433;asciilifeform;not speaking of 'pentium' here!
1023202;1424238434;ben_vulpes;if the goal is "compute by the yard", make more yards, not smaller compute.
1023203;1424238435;decimation;ah "Batteries: There was a battery at the top in the G&C section and also used to power stage III, a battery in the middle stage II and at the bottom for stage I. There was an umbilical cable at top and bottom, from G&C and stage I, to provide silo “battery” power for checkout."
1023204;1424238506;decimation;apparently the gyros operated continuously while in the silo to reduce launch time
1023205;1424238511;decimation;I wonder how often they failed
1023206;1424238521;asciilifeform;decimation: there is a legend about this
1023207;1424238523;asciilifeform;on ru side
1023208;1424238596;asciilifeform;that it was not deemed economical to use jewelled bearing, as americans did, and the oil of a certain inedible bean (forget which) was employed as lubricant
1023209;1424238601;asciilifeform;which mostly worked
1023210;1424238625;asciilifeform;but couldn't spin continuously
1023211;1424238636;asciilifeform;had to spin up 'when politics were hot' or the like.
1023212;1424238643;decimation;heh
1023213;1424238651;decimation;and then replaced after some operating time presumably
1023214;1424238658;decimation;or at least, re-greased
1023215;1424238831;mod6;wow, this thing is really flying
1023216;1424238836;mod6;141k
1023217;1424238891;ben_vulpes;mod6: what are you running tonight?
1023218;1424238903;ben_vulpes;asciilifeform: re 4004: i'm imagining devices at least 10x that scale.
1023219;1424238910;ben_vulpes;imagining -> expecting
1023220;1424238919;asciilifeform;10x or 1/10
1023221;1424238925;ben_vulpes;10x.
1023222;1424238932;asciilifeform;so glorified ttl ?
1023223;1424238954;ben_vulpes;perhaps of that scale.
1023224;1424238956;mod6;v0.5.3 base + patches { 1, rm_rf_upnp, 2, 3, 4, 6 & 7 } + openssl 1.0.1g with a modified portotronic build script - all statically linked libs
1023225;1424238964;asciilifeform;congrats mod6 !
1023226;1424238966;ben_vulpes;whoa, all statically linked?
1023227;1424238967;ben_vulpes;wd
1023228;1424238972;mod6;ty
1023229;1424238995;mod6;we'll see if it passes 160001
1023230;1424239079;decimation;asciilifeform: it will be interesting to see how your 'macrofab' order works out
1023231;1424239095;asciilifeform;aha
1023232;1424239111;asciilifeform;will post photos, etc
1023233;1424239127;decimation;did they charge reasonable prices for the non-'house' parts?
1023234;1424239130;asciilifeform;anyone's bet whether they'll ship on schedule, and, if so, exactly -what-
1023235;1424239139;asciilifeform;mostly
1023236;1424239144;asciilifeform;they skin you on pcb
1023237;1424239152;decimation;did you end up using eagle or kicad?
1023238;1424239155;asciilifeform;eagle
1023239;1424239158;asciilifeform;kicad is unusable
1023240;1424239167;asciilifeform;this is an old design
1023241;1424239170;asciilifeform;(>1yr now)
1023242;1424239177;asciilifeform;that i am having them build simply to see what comes of it
1023243;1424239184;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5412 @ 0.00044852 = 2.4274 BTC [-]
1023244;1424239184;decimation;yeah that will be interesting
1023245;1424239449;mod6;<+mod6> we'll see if it passes 160001 << derp. 168,001
1023246;1424239679;ben_vulpes;asciilifeform: minuteman << did you ever read into the 'amateur' rocketry group with whom i dorked around for a while in undergrad?
1023247;1424239685;asciilifeform;aha
1023248;1424239703;*;asciilifeform did not have the honour of partaking in any such thing
1023249;1424239725;ben_vulpes;'twas a fine introduction to what could be done in a garage without the military overhead.
1023250;1424239728;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: i very much thought of it when i found that link
1023251;1424239742;asciilifeform;think of how it could have went with modern cnc
1023252;1424239751;ben_vulpes;we made our own spinning fin cans at one point! garage bearing races of... 0.2m diameter!
1023253;1424239760;asciilifeform;neato
1023254;1424239774;ben_vulpes;out of hardened steel no less
1023255;1424239778;ben_vulpes;that we hardened ourselves
1023256;1424239806;asciilifeform;i still think it's odd that the americans never really discovered electrolytic milling
1023257;1424239816;asciilifeform;where it doesn't matter one lick whether material is hardened
1023258;1424239825;ben_vulpes;we just cut slowly.
1023259;1424239831;asciilifeform;and expensively
1023260;1424239836;ben_vulpes;meh.
1023261;1424239846;ben_vulpes;'twasn't *that* expensive.
1023262;1424239853;asciilifeform;good cutters cost a fortune
1023263;1424239860;asciilifeform;even for (what may be) world's smallest lathe
1023264;1424239869;ben_vulpes;there are a few different hardnesses one can achieve.
1023265;1424239885;ben_vulpes;the hack was finding the sweet spot in race/bearing hardnesses.
1023266;1424239899;asciilifeform;so far i've been able to stick to nonferrous.
1023267;1424239925;ben_vulpes;carbides?
1023268;1424239936;asciilifeform;working materials, that is
1023269;1424239941;ben_vulpes;oh.
1023270;1424239953;asciilifeform;lol
1023271;1424239954;ben_vulpes;yes well that does make life easier haw
1023272;1424239970;ben_vulpes;al's fucking butter
1023273;1424239981;asciilifeform;i did learn the hard way what it does to a grinding wheel
1023274;1424239987;ben_vulpes;hahahahahahaha
1023275;1424239997;ben_vulpes;mhm.
1023276;1424240011;ben_vulpes;hey at least you're not trying to cut steel with diamond bits.
1023277;1424240015;asciilifeform;srsly, you go & try apprenticing with no master.
1023278;1424240016;ben_vulpes;*foomp*
1023279;1424240024;ben_vulpes;asciilifeform: i did.
1023280;1424240030;ben_vulpes;for at least a whole year.
1023281;1424240046;*;asciilifeform regards C dissolving in Fe as an elementary fact
1023282;1424240058;asciilifeform;that ought to be obvious to anyone who walks into the workshop
1023283;1424240066;ben_vulpes;someone took pity on me in the warehouse as i worked my way through quarter inch plate with a hand cutter and provided me with an acetylene torch.
1023284;1424240069;ben_vulpes;made the quarter.
1023285;1424240088;asciilifeform;lol
1023286;1424240097;*;ben_vulpes must piss on each and every fence
1023287;1424240103;ben_vulpes;just you know
1023288;1424240105;ben_vulpes;to find the electric ones
1023289;1424240124;ben_vulpes;but hey at least i made my waste oil furnace
1023290;1424240150;ben_vulpes;there was a chinese restaurant up the way that had a drum of cooking oil
1023291;1424240155;ben_vulpes;free heat!
1023292;1424240162;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: before i fall asleep, i remembered to tell, that there actually were 'integrated circuits' in ussr that were built in the way you suggest
1023293;1424240174;ben_vulpes;i suggested a method?
1023294;1424240177;asciilifeform;out of uncommonly small physically-discrete transistors
1023295;1424240202;mod6;166k
1023296;1424240202;ben_vulpes;mm ah
1023297;1424240207;ben_vulpes;almost!
1023298;1424240214;asciilifeform;legend also has it that one of the items secretly salvaged by h. hughes's 'glomar explorer' mega-ship was a collection of such circuits
1023299;1424240220;decimation;asciilifeform: were they individually packaged?
1023300;1424240234;asciilifeform;the transistors ?
1023301;1424240255;asciilifeform;i do not presently know.
1023302;1424240274;asciilifeform;but my understanding is that they were placed by hand.
1023303;1424240329;ben_vulpes;asciilifeform: i dreamt once of coercing bugs into placing such devices.
1023304;1424240395;ben_vulpes;i was taking classes in chaos theory, control theory and installing machines for a biologist at the time.
1023305;1424240401;asciilifeform;what kid hasn't considered ants, pheromone trail computer.
1023306;1424240403;*;ben_vulpes looks back at his work history in wonder
1023307;1424240415;asciilifeform;!s ant colony
1023308;1424240415;assbot;4 results for 'ant colony' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=ant+colony
1023309;1424240428;ben_vulpes;more amoebic placement.
1023310;1424240446;mod6;passed 168,001
1023311;1424240457;asciilifeform;mod6: congrats
1023312;1424240476;ben_vulpes;golf claps
1023313;1424240549;mod6;http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=jFcyGsHN
1023314;1424240550;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1AQDUDM )
1023315;1424240552;mod6;:]
1023316;1424240554;mod6;ty ty
1023317;1424240613;*;asciilifeform thanks mod6 for fixing his catastrophic bug
1023318;1424240639;*;asciilifeform reminds all therealbitcoin folks to 'trust but verify'
1023319;1424240648;*;mod6 thanks asciilifeform for building the portotronic & build script
1023320;1424240661;asciilifeform;(or in the original rhyming proverb, 'доверяй но проверяй')
1023321;1424240694;mod6;ah! yes.
1023322;1424240720;mod6;well gentlemen, that's all for me tonight. ima let it run, see how it does overnight. will report more tomorrow.
1023323;1424240734;asciilifeform;good night mod6 & co
1023324;1424240739;*;asciilifeform must also be off to bed
1023325;1424240744;mod6;ni!
1023326;1424240813;*;decimation as well, night
1023327;1424241380;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13200 @ 0.00043767 = 5.7772 BTC [-]
1023328;1424241909;Naphex;o/
1023329;1424242295;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11800 @ 0.00043904 = 5.1807 BTC [+]
1023330;1424242905;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9050 @ 0.00044852 = 4.0591 BTC [+]
1023331;1424243149;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9949 @ 0.00044852 = 4.4623 BTC [+]
1023332;1424244187;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15000 @ 0.00043767 = 6.5651 BTC [-]
1023333;1424244308;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22349 @ 0.00043767 = 9.7815 BTC [-]
1023334;1424244552;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11750 @ 0.00043767 = 5.1426 BTC [-]
1023335;1424245468;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9250 @ 0.00043767 = 4.0484 BTC [-]
1023336;1424245574;ben_vulpes;oh man
1023337;1424245586;ben_vulpes;i might be able to rid this stack of solr with judicious application of postgres full text search
1023338;1424245764;BingoBoingo;O.o
1023339;1424247114;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4008 @ 0.00043767 = 1.7542 BTC [-]
1023340;1424247785;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3200 @ 0.00044852 = 1.4353 BTC [+]
1023341;1424249310;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9900 @ 0.00043767 = 4.3329 BTC [-]
1023342;1424250286;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3347 @ 0.00043609 = 1.4596 BTC [-]
1023343;1424250530;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7749 @ 0.00044852 = 3.4756 BTC [+]
1023344;1424250896;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6353 @ 0.00043609 = 2.7705 BTC [-]
1023345;1424251567;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8850 @ 0.00042928 = 3.7991 BTC [-]
1023346;1424252872;scoopbot;New post on Qntra.net by Bingo Boingo: http://qntra.net/2015/02/scotland-takes-symbolic-step-towards-online-independence/
1023347;1424253763;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6466 @ 0.00044697 = 2.8901 BTC [+] {2} 
1023348;1424254772;BingoBoingo;http://uncrunched.com/2015/02/17/we-deserve-a-better-bitcoin-experience-than-circle/
1023349;1424254773;assbot;We Deserve A Better Bitcoin Experience Than Circle | Uncrunched ... ( http://bit.ly/1E57S86 )
1023350;1424254901;BingoBoingo;^ Incredilol
1023351;1424254966;cazalla;strange, i never had to send them a selfie
1023352;1424254999;cazalla;i'm not sure i even sent ID from memory
1023353;1424255111;punkman;they event stopped sending me SMS codes for every login/deposit
1023354;1424255151;cazalla;i guess arrington is trying to use it for something more than cash in, bitcoin out, lol @ his $100 limit too
1023355;1424255328;BingoBoingo;Hard to say
1023356;1424255359;BingoBoingo;Maybe they had a "Pls don't let Mike ID be stolen here" flag set
1023357;1424255774;punkman;cazalla, do they still have you at $500 limit?
1023358;1424255850;cazalla;punkman, yup
1023359;1424256022;punkman;in other news, I got those "English Accent Knives", plenty sharp and they did in fact survive accidental drops.
1023360;1424256073;punkman;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=14-01-2015#976971
1023361;1424256073;assbot;Logged on 14-01-2015 09:33:23; fluffypony: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c9zuSTOE2vk
1023362;1424256113;fluffypony;lol punkman
1023363;1424256888;punkman;http://www.thelingerieaddict.com/2012/01/what-you-didnt-know-to-look-for-in-a-corset-5-myths-debunked.html
1023364;1424256889;assbot;What (You Didn't Know) to Look for in a Corset: 5 Popular Myths Debunked I The Lingerie Addict ... ( http://bit.ly/1CHmqsB )
1023365;1424257301;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33100 @ 0.00042917 = 14.2055 BTC [-] {2} 
1023366;1424257327;punkman;btw you can find decent tailors for the girlies at lightinthebox.com, even pauper can afford
1023367;1424257423;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9422 @ 0.00043575 = 4.1056 BTC [+] {2} 
1023368;1424257606;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4965 @ 0.00042904 = 2.1302 BTC [-]
1023369;1424258441;ben_vulpes;this obsession with buying btc online through a webapp is pretty humerus.
1023370;1424258759;BingoBoingo;ben_vulpes: Think of it as a rescue mission. Save the precious BTC by trying to get them to safe private keys out of the web3.0 grasp.
1023371;1424259402;kakobrekla;check out this shit, filtering specifically; https://gist.github.com/k9ert/ace7b25b354831ec5006
1023372;1424259404;assbot;Bitcoin-assets 21-01-2015 minus some distractions ... ( http://bit.ly/1AEqxIq )
1023373;1424259517;BingoBoingo;kakobrekla: Wow, filtered to remove the important
1023374;1424259544;BingoBoingo;kakobrekla: Gotta filter that way for the text to be safe for ego.
1023375;1424259686;BingoBoingo;https://twitter.com/k9ert
1023376;1424259688;assbot;k9ert (@k9ert) | Twitter ... ( http://bit.ly/1AErpg9 )
1023377;1424259900;BingoBoingo;^ filterer
1023378;1424260046;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5270 @ 0.00043074 = 2.27 BTC [+]
1023379;1424260080;BingoBoingo;;;bc,stats
1023380;1424260084;gribble;Current Blocks: 344030 | Current Difficulty: 4.44554159623438E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 344735 | Next Difficulty In: 705 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 4 days, 13 hours, 52 minutes, and 12 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 45833353704.5 | Estimated Percent Change: 3.09959
1023381;1424260107;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20630 @ 0.00042904 = 8.8511 BTC [-]
1023382;1424260473;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8950 @ 0.00043298 = 3.8752 BTC [+] {2} 
1023383;1424261388;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21700 @ 0.00042929 = 9.3156 BTC [-] {2} 
1023384;1424262120;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 4236 @ 0.00083996 = 3.5581 BTC [+] {6} 
1023385;1424262425;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 4534 @ 0.00084972 = 3.8526 BTC [+] {8} 
1023386;1424262593;BingoBoingo;!up brendafdez
1023387;1424262730;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19115 @ 0.00042904 = 8.2011 BTC [-]
1023388;1424262747;brendafdez;;;later tell mircea_popescu You're squatting the channel ;) http://pastebin.com/YNqdarX7 I could be running some shady business there instead...
1023389;1424262749;assbot;(09:24:01 AM) ChanServ: (notice) Information on #bitcoin-argentina:  (09:24:01 A - Pastebin.com ... ( http://bit.ly/1DpXI2O )
1023390;1424262749;gribble;The operation succeeded.
1023391;1424263430;punkman;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jhnblU9leIo
1023392;1424263431;assbot;The Story of the First Ultra Modern Phone Cable Ship - AT&T Archives - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1Lamxz0 )
1023393;1424263889;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12838 @ 0.00043707 = 5.6111 BTC [+] {2} 
1023394;1424265042;ben_vulpes;kakobrekla: from the author of learn2prog.de
1023395;1424265880;BingoBoingo;!up yhwh_
1023396;1424265905;yhwh_;tight
1023397;1424265993;kakobrekla;ben_vulpes i did not see his key in the wot
1023398;1424266055;ben_vulpes;http://sourceforge.net/projects/struktor/ << author i think of this
1023399;1424266057;assbot;struktor | SourceForge.net ... ( http://bit.ly/1BlIyLg )
1023400;1424266085;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 91 @ 0.0902167 = 8.2097 BTC [-] {5} 
1023401;1424266146;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 6937 @ 0.00078816 = 5.4675 BTC [-] {17} 
1023402;1424266177;BingoBoingo;kakobrekla: Apparently he has a keybase.io according to the gitrub
1023403;1424266205;ben_vulpes;gutrub
1023404;1424266228;kakobrekla;yea
1023405;1424266756;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12900 @ 0.00044069 = 5.6849 BTC [+] {2} 
1023406;1424267034;BingoBoingo;;;later tell nubbins' Do you call the version control system you use to manage your silk screen projects nubrub?
1023407;1424267035;gribble;The operation succeeded.
1023408;1424267189;punkman;orly http://www.theguardian.com/news/2015/feb/18/yanis-varoufakis-how-i-became-an-erratic-marxist
1023409;1424267191;assbot;Yanis Varoufakis: How I became an erratic Marxist | News | The Guardian ... ( http://bit.ly/1LaxErI )
1023410;1424267282;kakobrekla;https://blog.shodan.io/duplicate-ssh-keys-everywhere/
1023411;1424267283;assbot;Duplicate SSH Keys Everywhere ... ( http://bit.ly/1LaxUqv )
1023412;1424267493;jurov;brendafdez: guess who has #bitcoin-anal :)
1023413;1424267508;ben_vulpes;and buttcoin
1023414;1424267520;ben_vulpes;but not bitcoin-asshats
1023415;1424267551;ben_vulpes;irc channels are clearly territory.
1023416;1424267565;ben_vulpes;mircea_popescu likes to pee on things
1023417;1424267671;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16050 @ 0.00043214 = 6.9358 BTC [-]
1023418;1424268363;BingoBoingo;!up brendafdez
1023419;1424268633;nubbins`;yes, nubrub
1023420;1424268649;nubbins`;also, who in the world uses a version control system for this sort of thing 8)
1023421;1424268669;ben_vulpes;http://nymag.com/scienceofus/2015/02/why-men-always-think-women-are-flirting.html << someone tried to reproduce a "social science" study.
1023422;1424268670;assbot;Why Men Always Think Women Are Flirting -- Science of Us ... ( http://bit.ly/1LaCsgE )
1023423;1424268675;nubbins`;most of you will be literally horrified to learn that all my art assets are stored in Dropbox.
1023424;1424268691;ben_vulpes;nubbins`: as opposed to...
1023425;1424268695;ben_vulpes;figuratively horrified?
1023426;1424268701;nubbins`;yeah
1023427;1424268704;BingoBoingo;nubbins`: By version control I mean how you handle the screens for various stage
1023428;1424268704;nubbins`;like, irc horrified
1023429;1424268705;BingoBoingo;s
1023430;1424268716;nubbins`;sorta like how nobody actually lols when they say lol.
1023431;1424268733;ben_vulpes;i typically snort
1023432;1424268751;nubbins`;BingoBoingo this is about as deserving of a system as the stack of plates in your kitchen cupboard :)
1023433;1424268762;brendafdez;I was wondering if the Wordpress pingback DDoS is still an issue, or was it fixed in more recent versions? I'm running 4.1 and my xmlrpc.php (http://pastebin.com/6s78Hh5c) doesn't even have a reference to $linea. I don't speal PHP at all, so I'm not sure if I should still paste the replecement code somewhere.
1023434;1424268782;nubbins`;we do have a set of screen-drying cupboards i could christen "nubrub", i guess
1023435;1424268783;ben_vulpes;oh yeah
1023436;1424268787;ben_vulpes;totally paste the code in
1023437;1424268796;ben_vulpes;wcgw etc
1023438;1424268804;ben_vulpes;;;ud wcgw
1023439;1424268804;gribble;http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=WCGW | Oct 17, 2010 ... What Could Go Wrong? ... Top Definition. WCGW. What Could Go Wrong? A drunk with a set of car keys. WCGW? by prosanity October 17, ...
1023440;1424268806;BingoBoingo;nubbins`: Is that not a system? One doesn't have to be Alekine to have a system
1023441;1424268807;punkman;*chuckle*
1023442;1424268810;*;ben_vulpes is satisfied.
1023443;1424268811;brendafdez;;)
1023444;1424268822;nubbins`;heh
1023445;1424268823;ben_vulpes;don't listen to me, i failed to sleep last night.
1023446;1424268829;nubbins`;BingoBoingo ehh maybe
1023447;1424268832;nubbins`;it's reaching a bit
1023448;1424268842;nubbins`;what name do you put on your system for tying shoes?
1023449;1424268851;ben_vulpes;THE ULTIMATE SHOE TYING SYSTEM
1023450;1424268853;ben_vulpes;dude i have one.
1023451;1424268854;BingoBoingo;brendafdez: It is still a think. Wordpress people keep moving where the target is
1023452;1424268870;ben_vulpes;nubbins: first, instead of a simple once around, go around...twice
1023453;1424268872;nubbins`;you should call it "shoeshoe train"
1023454;1424268872;BingoBoingo;nubbins`: Knot++
1023455;1424268874;nubbins`;sounds nicer
1023456;1424268877;nubbins`;heh.
1023457;1424268882;ben_vulpes;the full 360 prevents slippage while doing the loop
1023458;1424268883;ben_vulpes;THEN
1023459;1424268891;ben_vulpes;when doing the loop, again go around not once...BUT TWICE
1023460;1424268892;brendafdez;pasting in. http://www.wayofcats.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2009/08/carefullylaidplan.jpg
1023461;1424268894;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1LaDdGl )
1023462;1424268901;nubbins`;fwiw the second go-around is key for handling slippery laces
1023463;1424268950;ben_vulpes;this knot does not slip.
1023464;1424269054;ben_vulpes;good morning mike_c
1023465;1424269060;mike_c;good morning!
1023466;1424269070;nubbins`;really tempted to buy another settlers of catan expansion
1023467;1424269103;ben_vulpes;what are you doing today?
1023468;1424269127;mike_c;the same thing i do every day..  trying to take over the world.
1023469;1424269147;ben_vulpes;oh man
1023470;1424269161;ben_vulpes;that's like the second eyeroll i've had cuz of irc in 5 minutes
1023471;1424269163;mike_c;cmon, that never gets old
1023472;1424269168;ben_vulpes;gonna get a headache at this rate
1023473;1424269169;nubbins`;phun phact, one of our cats is named after that show.
1023474;1424269246;danielpbarron;is there a way to check the fingerprint of an assbot user?
1023475;1424269276;mike_c;danielpbarron: http://files.bitcoin-assets.com/wot/trustlist.txt
1023476;1424269277;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1AF0TD9 )
1023477;1424269293;mike_c;l2 only though
1023478;1424269296;danielpbarron;there's no command or link in w.b-a.link ?
1023479;1424269334;BingoBoingo;danielpbarron: Well you could visit people at their ICBM address and ask politely
1023480;1424269335;danielpbarron;like !fingerprint danielpbarron
1023481;1424269353;mike_c;hn, not that i know of.
1023482;1424269354;danielpbarron;i'm trying to prove my fingerprint is assciated with my username
1023483;1424269362;danielpbarron;i can do this with gribble..
1023484;1424269379;BingoBoingo;danielpbarron: But asswot is stateless
1023485;1424269388;danielpbarron;so far all i got is: http://w.b-a.link/trust/7C1FBEC924FBD66531A02AE3F95E4E395927DC9C/155934bdd16e8eaf4493cb9cb36ae9849d961ac9
1023486;1424269389;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1AF1nsZ )
1023487;1424269390;ben_vulpes;BingoBoingo: lieeeeees
1023488;1424269401;danielpbarron;why can't it at least mention a username in that dump?
1023489;1424269422;BingoBoingo;ben_vulpes: Which lies?
1023490;1424269441;ben_vulpes;assbot being stateless
1023491;1424269482;ben_vulpes;asswot either
1023492;1424269488;nubbins`;!ident danielpbarron
1023493;1424269491;nubbins`;for shame
1023494;1424269497;ben_vulpes;wut
1023495;1424269558;BingoBoingo;ben_vulpes: Oh, I though you were talking about ICBM addressing protocol
1023496;1424269569;nubbins`;danielpbarron just !rate a fake nick
1023497;1424269572;nubbins`;i guess
1023498;1424269578;nubbins`;or, i mean, gpg-sign something
1023499;1424269606;mike_c;gpg sign proves you have the key, not that key & nick are related.
1023500;1424269629;mike_c; do something with !rate works though
1023501;1424269645;danielpbarron;i want to sign a thing that someone can cross reference with my ratings
1023502;1424269667;nubbins`;!rate itsme 1 it's me
1023503;1424269667;assbot;itsme is not registered in WoT.
1023504;1424269671;*;nubbins` shrugs
1023505;1424269674;nubbins`;can't be done
1023506;1424269687;nubbins`;!rate nubbins` 1 me
1023507;1424269688;assbot;You can not rate yourself.
1023508;1424269692;nubbins`;eat shit
1023509;1424269721;nubbins`;!gettrust danielpbarron
1023510;1424269721;assbot;Trust relationship from user nubbins` to user danielpbarron: Level 1: 0, Level 2: -1 via 7 connections. | http://w.b-a.link/trust/nubbins%60/danielpbarron | http://w.b-a.link/user/danielpbarron
1023511;1424269725;BingoBoingo;!t m s.qntr
1023512;1424269725;assbot;[MPEX:S.QNTR] 1D: 0 / 0 / 0 (0 shares, 0 BTC), 7D:  /  /  ( shares,  BTC), 30D: 0.000175 / 0.0002225 / 0.00026 (28055 shares, 6.24 BTC)
1023513;1424269739;nubbins`;yeah that's a fairly large gap in functionality
1023514;1424269792;danielpbarron;lol i love that l2 score
1023515;1424269810;danielpbarron;you do business with some shady dudes
1023516;1424269901;danielpbarron;stupid github thinks i'm not human; i figured gpg to asswot should be enough proof
1023517;1424269945;*;nubbins` shrugs
1023518;1424269950;nubbins`;gotta sell the shinies to someone 8)
1023519;1424270037;nubbins`;o wow, an i-hate-nubs thread that i didn't unsubscribe from
1023520;1424270053;BingoBoingo;Where?
1023521;1424270069;nubbins`;https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=935984.msg10493773#msg10493773
1023522;1424270070;assbot;REMOVE NUBBINS FROM THE DEFAULT TRUST LIST FOR REPEATED TRUST ABUSE ... ( http://bit.ly/1LaH32t )
1023523;1424270097;nubbins`;it bothers me that he insists on capitalizing my name
1023524;1424270245;danielpbarron;that guy... hahah
1023525;1424270294;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 1305 @ 0.00084998 = 1.1092 BTC [+] {3} 
1023526;1424270357;ben_vulpes;danielpbarron: how are you proposing to tie github to asswot?
1023527;1424270391;nubbins`;danielpbarron i was almost forced to make fun of him in his vaccines thread
1023528;1424270416;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4531 @ 0.00043214 = 1.958 BTC [-]
1023529;1424270459;kakobrekla;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-02-2015#1023485
1023530;1424270459;assbot;Logged on 18-02-2015 14:23:08; danielpbarron: so far all i got is: http://w.b-a.link/trust/7C1FBEC924FBD66531A02AE3F95E4E395927DC9C/155934bdd16e8eaf4493cb9cb36ae9849d961ac9
1023531;1424270471;kakobrekla;added:
1023532;1424270472;kakobrekla;            [fromnick] => assbot
1023533;1424270472;kakobrekla;            [fromkey] => 7C1FBEC924FBD66531A02AE3F95E4E395927DC9C
1023534;1424270472;kakobrekla;            [tonick] => danielpbarron
1023535;1424270472;kakobrekla;            [tokey] => 155934BDD16E8EAF4493CB9CB36AE9849D961AC9
1023536;1424270486;danielpbarron;ben_vulpes, they gave me a form to submit my request, and i told them to give me  OTP to clearsign, and gave them links to that ^
1023537;1424270532;nubbins`;kakobrekla i think he's concerned about the fact that the "danielpbarron" behind that link isn't necessarily the one in-chan?
1023538;1424270563;danielpbarron;no; i just want something that says "assbot user named 'danielpbarron' uses gpg key ...
1023539;1424270569;ben_vulpes;danielpbarron: what request?
1023540;1424270575;kakobrekla;gribble's auth is as good as assbots voice
1023541;1424270580;ben_vulpes;isn't that a site you just sign up for?
1023542;1424270618;nubbins`;;;ident danielpbarron
1023543;1424270619;gribble;Nick 'danielpbarron', with hostmask 'danielpbarron!~dpb@c-71-232-150-212.hsd1.ma.comcast.net', is not identified.
1023544;1424270620;danielpbarron;yeah i've had an account for a while, but just noticed it's been flagged as "not human"
1023545;1424270629;ben_vulpes;wahahaha.
1023546;1424270650;ben_vulpes;in other news, people committing LF only files into client repos today...
1023547;1424270661;nubbins`;CR is so passe
1023548;1424270674;danielpbarron;probably because the last thing i recall doing on github had something to do with making fun of gender pronouns
1023549;1424270676;ben_vulpes;utf-8 all the things
1023550;1424270683;ben_vulpes;heh.
1023551;1424270706;ben_vulpes;danielpbarron: your dedication to stirring up shit is endlessly entertaining.
1023552;1424270729;nubbins`;zhe
1023553;1424270737;nubbins`;zhis
1023554;1424270741;kakobrekla;also the bibletronics
1023555;1424270744;nubbins`;;;google zhe zhis
1023556;1424270745;gribble;How to Fold a Zhe Zhi (Origami) Dove - YouTube: <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-sUW0wr3jKw>; Long zhi ren zhe (1982) - IMDb: <http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0084267/>; Gender-neutral pronouns for English - The Progress Report: <http://www.progress.org/tpr/gender-neutral-pronouns-for-english-2/>
1023557;1424270781;nubbins`;"Zhe was walking zher dog down the street and then gave zhim a treat."
1023558;1424270787;nubbins`;fuck me
1023559;1424270812;nubbins`;why are they using a gender-neutral pronoun for the fucking DOG?
1023560;1424270821;nubbins`;"The pronoun “one” would not do here: “One was walking one’s dog down the street and then gave one a treat”"
1023561;1424270835;nubbins`;yeah, because you'd say "gave one a treat", not "gave it a treat"
1023562;1424270838;*;nubbins` weeps
1023563;1424270848;BingoBoingo;Wait, that's a gender neutral thing? I thought it was a Prussian thing.
1023564;1424270855;nubbins`;it's a thing thing
1023565;1424270863;danielpbarron;or if you're feeling generous: give one two treats
1023566;1424270870;ben_vulpes;i like it
1023567;1424270892;nubbins`;"And if some high official, such as the president, says zhe will use gender-neutral pronouns for zher own writing, and ask that those writing to zhim do so also, that would provide a powerful boost."
1023568;1424270905;*;nubbins` sobs uncontrollably
1023569;1424270912;nubbins`;perhaps obummer will start doing precisely this
1023570;1424270921;ben_vulpes;thanks obub
1023571;1424270934;danielpbarron;are those actual quotes from a genuine idiot?
1023572;1424270940;nubbins`;nevermind that "zher" sounds like fucking diarrhoea
1023573;1424270947;nubbins`;http://www.progress.org/tpr/gender-neutral-pronouns-for-english-2/
1023574;1424270948;assbot;Gender-neutral pronouns for English - The Progress Report ... ( http://bit.ly/1LaJOAL )
1023575;1424270967;nubbins`;Save us from confusing grammar such as “everyone must have their books.” Make it instead “everyone must have zher books.” It then becomes clear that each person must have one’s own book and not the books of all the others. It is also shorter and less awkward than having to say “his or her” all the time.
1023576;1424270973;ben_vulpes;dude
1023577;1424270982;nubbins`;funny, i automatically thought that i must have the books of all others.
1023578;1424270992;BingoBoingo;"And if some high official, such as the president, says it will use gender-neutral pronouns for its own writing, and ask that those writing to it do so also, that would provide a powerful boost." << Ther fixed with objectification
1023579;1424270998;nubbins`;also, "less awkward"
1023580;1424270999;nubbins`;heh.
1023581;1424271010;ben_vulpes;objectification << nice
1023582;1424271024;nubbins`;"everyone must have zher books" is categorically NOT less awkward than any other english sentence that does not contain the "word" "zher"
1023583;1424271051;ben_vulpes;nubbins` you really like getting bent out of shape over derps don't you
1023584;1424271058;nubbins`;it's a hobby
1023585;1424271127;BingoBoingo;Seriously when people insist on gender neutral pronouns your choices are it in the singular and they in the plural. Or... nouns still exists.
1023586;1424271178;nubbins`;i prefer to use "they" as a gender neutral pronoun
1023587;1424271184;nubbins`;fuck its intended use
1023588;1424271185;ben_vulpes;nah your choices are to ignore them or beat them
1023589;1424271187;jurov;http://files.bitcoin-assets.com/wot/trustlist.txt << list of all nicks and fingerprints
1023590;1424271188;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1LaKDtf )
1023591;1424271189;danielpbarron;i will default to 'him' and 'his' for exactly the reason they wish i wouldn't
1023592;1424271193;ben_vulpes;http://www.ritholtz.com/blog/2015/02/tech-leads-the-way/ << look, microshit beat facebutts!
1023593;1424271194;assbot;Tech Leads the Way | The Big Picture ... ( http://bit.ly/1LaKBS5 )
1023594;1424271209;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23700 @ 0.00043179 = 10.2334 BTC [-] {2} 
1023595;1424271212;kakobrekla;jurov just l2
1023596;1424271213;jurov;The zh words would help refer to God: for Zhe is just, and Zher love for humanity endless, and we worship Zhim
1023597;1424271216;jurov;ahahahaha
1023598;1424271220;ben_vulpes;google in the red, and aws barely ekeing out 6.9
1023599;1424271232;BingoBoingo;Nah, see the canonical example "It puts the lotion in the basket." "It puts the lotion on the skin or it gets the hose again"
1023600;1424271255;nubbins`;jurov does god have a peepee or a slit?
1023601;1424271264;danielpbarron;heh, everyone is an object when you take away sexism
1023602;1424271276;nubbins`;BingoBoingo XD
1023603;1424271277;jurov;Zhe can have both
1023604;1424271287;kakobrekla;for some reason i thought you wanted strictly level 2 list - it actually takes a couple of min to generate. full dump would take a second.
1023605;1424271288;nubbins`;PUT THE LOTION IN THE FUCKING BASKET
1023606;1424271323;nubbins`;oh also
1023607;1424271331;nubbins`;i got debian shoved on my pogoplug
1023608;1424271338;danielpbarron;nice
1023609;1424271348;jurov;kakobrekla if it can include l1/l2 ratings, why not have everyone?
1023610;1424271348;nubbins`;currently serving files from a 1.5tb drive
1023611;1424271350;danielpbarron;tell me how! i will attempt
1023612;1424271356;nubbins`;gonna try to pop .foundation 531 on it soon
1023613;1424271357;ben_vulpes;shove debian up your pogoplug
1023614;1424271361;nubbins`;danielpbarron sec
1023615;1424271369;nubbins`;http://blog.qnology.com/2014/07/hacking-pogoplug-v4-series-4-and-mobile.html
1023616;1424271371;assbot;Qui's techNOLOGY Blog: Hacking the Pogoplug v4 (Series 4 and Mobile) with Linux (Debian or Arch) ... ( http://bit.ly/1LaLl9S )
1023617;1424271372;nubbins`;impossibly easy
1023618;1424271385;nubbins`;just needs a 4G+ sd card
1023619;1424271393;danielpbarron;is debian a systemd turd?
1023620;1424271401;*;nubbins` shrugs
1023621;1424271404;ben_vulpes;yup
1023622;1424271405;nubbins`;there's also arch linux arm
1023623;1424271406;kakobrekla;jurov everyones l1/l2? from assbot to target ? that would take prolly 10 times longer or so.
1023624;1424271414;danielpbarron;yeah i got arch on mine
1023625;1424271417;ben_vulpes;"arch" << also turdolated
1023626;1424271425;ben_vulpes;not that i even know wat that means
1023627;1424271428;nubbins`;heh.
1023628;1424271432;nubbins`;i think it means alf doesn't like it
1023629;1424271435;nubbins`;anyway, idgaf
1023630;1424271439;jurov;kakobrekla okay then, it can be queried extra
1023631;1424271439;nubbins`;$10 NAS
1023632;1424271452;ben_vulpes;more like corprolifeform
1023633;1424271462;danielpbarron;i don't know much about systemd except that it's hated in here, and in "top" *everything* is a subprocess of it..
1023634;1424271464;nubbins`;as an aside, the pogoplug MOBILE (blue logo) does NOT accept SATA
1023635;1424271464;ben_vulpes;!up thestringpuller
1023636;1424271477;nubbins`;top doesn't pop off
1023637;1424271478;ben_vulpes;!gettrust assbot thestringpuller
1023638;1424271478;assbot;Trust relationship from user assbot to user thestringpuller: Level 1: 1, Level 2: 5 via 7 connections. | http://w.b-a.link/trust/assbot/thestringpuller | http://w.b-a.link/user/thestringpuller
1023639;1424271479;danielpbarron;nubbins`, yep but it has twice the memory
1023640;1424271484;nubbins`;o?
1023641;1424271491;nubbins`;well that's the one i have
1023642;1424271500;kakobrekla;jurov actually im being dumb
1023643;1424271511;danielpbarron;nubbins`, which one? the blue one?
1023644;1424271517;ben_vulpes;what's up with your keys, thestringpuller?
1023645;1424271517;nubbins`;yeah
1023646;1424271520;kakobrekla;i can just attach everyone who is missing from that list with l0/l1
1023647;1424271523;nubbins`;blue logo
1023648;1424271534;nubbins`;i think the purple logo is the one where the top comes off to reveal SATA/USD
1023649;1424271535;kakobrekla;eh, l1=0, l2=0
1023650;1424271536;nubbins`;*USB
1023651;1424271540;danielpbarron;yes
1023652;1424271563;kakobrekla;without doing any computing.
1023653;1424271563;nubbins`;also i think the purple logo won't boot off an SD?
1023654;1424271564;danielpbarron;well i think you'll have a very hard time syncing considering harddisk read write is the bottleneck
1023655;1424271567;nubbins`;not sure
1023656;1424271575;nubbins`;danielpbarron yeah no doubt.
1023657;1424271576;jurov;kakobrekla: that's a bit misleading, rather put "-" instead of the zeros
1023658;1424271583;danielpbarron;but the blue unit might be a good device for a pre-synched chain copied in
1023659;1424271592;kakobrekla;eh?
1023660;1424271602;kakobrekla;how is 0 different from -
1023661;1424271611;nubbins`;0 is a value
1023662;1424271617;kakobrekla;yea but in effect
1023663;1424271620;nubbins`;- is the absence thereof
1023664;1424271621;kakobrekla;you need >0
1023665;1424271624;jurov;you want for users with negative rating to show 0?
1023666;1424271635;jurov;that is a bit misleading imo
1023667;1424271652;nubbins`;danielpbarron now there's a torrent i'd seed
1023668;1424271670;kakobrekla;no, but i can show negative rating as negative rating
1023669;1424271687;nubbins`;hm
1023670;1424271689;nubbins`;actually
1023671;1424271701;nubbins`;is anyone interested in donating a modicum of bandwidth to such a thing?
1023672;1424271712;nubbins`;i've got 30mbit up, could spare some
1023673;1424271738;jurov;kakobrekla: yes you can. but if you don't bother to run the query, make the NULLs recognizable
1023674;1424271771;kakobrekla;i actually compute the neg rates atm, just dont show em
1023675;1424271774;mod6;still going: 208582
1023676;1424271779;*;nubbins` claps
1023677;1424271785;kakobrekla;you cant know its a neg if you dont compute it
1023678;1424271797;danielpbarron;eh i'm not suggesting we all share the same torrented blockchain; i mean you could sync it on your own machine and copy it over
1023679;1424271815;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: http://www.reddit.com/r/programming/comments/2waac0/your_disk_controller_and_you
1023680;1424271816;assbot;Your Disk Controller and You : programming ... ( http://bit.ly/1LaMTAV )
1023681;1424271819;nubbins`;nono, i totally understand
1023682;1424271835;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: the 'bury brigade' is slacking today...
1023683;1424271843;nubbins`;*i'm* suggesting we seed a blockchain torrent 8)
1023684;1424271857;danielpbarron;that sounds evil
1023685;1424271866;nubbins`;meh
1023686;1424271910;jurov;!up thestringpuller
1023687;1424271926;asciilifeform;the pogoplug MOBILE (blue logo) does NOT accept SATA << correct. costs ~$6 less
1023688;1424271941;danielpbarron;btw, no blocks mined using version > 2 in the last 12 hours or so
1023689;1424271955;thestringpuller;ben_vulpes: My keys are airgapped, as in I am physically separated from access cause I don't have something secure to shuttle them en-mobile. I.e. cardano....
1023690;1424271967;asciilifeform; yep but it has twice the memory << unfortunately, not so simple. the -previous generation- of both devices cost the same and had 2x the ram. they are no longer available new anywhere i know of
1023691;1424271976;danielpbarron;oh
1023692;1424271976;thestringpuller;If I get netsplit at work I'm shit out of luck.
1023693;1424271976;nubbins`;shame
1023694;1424271978;kakobrekla;but version number just tells you the version number
1023695;1424271981;nubbins`;anyway, blue logo guy is nice
1023696;1424271991;danielpbarron;i haven't opened my blue unit yet
1023697;1424272004;asciilifeform;i think the purple logo won't boot off an SD << when this is through there will be no need to boot from anything but the internal eeprom
1023698;1424272053;kakobrekla;next version ships with diskram
1023699;1424272095;danielpbarron;well if they aren't reporting a greater version then they might as well not be using it (the version is used to decide with the fork, hard or soft, happens)
1023700;1424272099;asciilifeform;incidentally, the ram penny-pinching ought to be familiar to veterans of the old linksys wrt linux router
1023701;1424272124;asciilifeform;which eventually ended up with 2MB in which no linux of the time would sit down
1023702;1424272148;asciilifeform;pay same, get half, then half again...
1023703;1424272157;kakobrekla;until diskram
1023704;1424272178;asciilifeform;swap yer whole life away
1023705;1424272221;nubbins`;in fairness, the same dollar amount is worth less each time you buy one 8)
1023706;1424272230;asciilifeform;less less
1023707;1424272236;*;nubbins` nods
1023708;1424272240;nubbins`;that's how they get ya
1023709;1424272258;nubbins`;there was a thread on reddit the other day
1023710;1424272266;nubbins`;"holy shit bitcoin core runs on raspi B+!"
1023711;1424272275;nubbins`;i chuckled
1023712;1424272285;nubbins`;this pogo thing is gonna make tsunamis
1023713;1424272299;nubbins`;kinda tempted to buy like a hundred
1023714;1424272303;kakobrekla;actually that is quite an achievement for the pos bcore and rpi are
1023715;1424272304;danielpbarron;hehe
1023716;1424272331;nubbins`;asciilifeform maybe that's the exuberance
1023717;1424272362;danielpbarron;nubbins`, you set off a mythology about the pogo; some guy on the forum keeps telling everyone about the "ten thousand nodes" that MP is gonna use to stop the fork
1023718;1424272393;thestringpuller;danielpbarron: is link in logs?
1023719;1424272411;danielpbarron;to what? the forum post of that ^ ?
1023720;1424272422;nubbins`;danielpbarron notu badu
1023721;1424272432;nubbins`;how many nodes right now, anyway?
1023722;1424272436;nubbins`;i guess no easy way to count
1023723;1424272452;thestringpuller;danielpbarron: yes
1023724;1424272464;danielpbarron;reminds me of classic chinese in which "ten thousand" was used to mean "infinity"
1023725;1424272472;ben_vulpes;thestringpuller: kinda speaks to the need for a disposable btc addr you can use to get yourself !up
1023726;1424272476;danielpbarron;for those familiar with the Tao Te Ching
1023727;1424272506;nubbins`;danielpbarron here, in times past, "thousands" was used as an immeasurable
1023728;1424272539;nubbins`;"wow, there must be millions of cod in those waters"
1023729;1424272548;danielpbarron;thestringpuller, https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=941331.msg10478764;topicseen#msg10478764 here's one such mention
1023730;1424272548;assbot;Bitcoin 20MB Fork ... ( http://bit.ly/1LaPhaM )
1023731;1424272548;nubbins`;"millions? b'y, there's THOUSANDS of em out there"
1023732;1424272597;danielpbarron;according the the forum's wisdom, we should have used a unit that can be upgraded to support 20MB blocks
1023733;1424272598;nubbins`;you should plan for sucking Hitler's knob in the event that the Nazis win WW2.
1023734;1424272600;nubbins`;hahahahahaha
1023735;1424272678;danielpbarron;actually that's not the guy; hdbuck might be an ally
1023736;1424272686;danielpbarron;lemme find another one
1023737;1424272786;danielpbarron;https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=941331.msg10473688#msg10473688 << inBitweTrust
1023738;1424272787;assbot;Bitcoin 20MB Fork ... ( http://bit.ly/1LaPURH )
1023739;1424272788;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: Dunno that they are awake yet
1023740;1424272795;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 1700 @ 0.00084999 = 1.445 BTC [+] {2} 
1023741;1424272810;danielpbarron;"What is sad is that they are supposedly scrambling to setup 10k nodes to prevent this hardfork when all they will succeed if they aren't bluffing is an alt with 10k nodes and less than 1-2% hashing power. Hopefully they have some developers on hand to quickly change the difficulty retarget limit so they have a usable , albeit very insecure alt."
1023742;1424272940;danielpbarron;https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=919629.msg10298889#msg10298889 << can't make up his mind; the 10k nodes are either to stop the fork, OR the fork must be stopped to protect the investment in 10k nodes..
1023743;1424272941;assbot;Fork off ... ( http://bit.ly/1LaQhf6 )
1023744;1424272999;danielpbarron;"Thanks. This is very enlightening and reveals the true motivations behind Mircea Popescu objections. He has made an investment in up to 10k nodes that would be obsolete if Gavin pushes through his hard fork. Why doesn't he honestly bring to the community these concerns as one of his principle motivations so we can try and find a solution together? The fact that he is not being forthright with this concern is troubling to sa
1023745;1424273100;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14064 @ 0.00042775 = 6.0159 BTC [-] {3} 
1023746;1424273168;nubbins`;i fucking hate this pseudo-intellectual style of writing
1023747;1424273213;nubbins`;all this "perhaps if we are just open about our abject failures as humans" stuff
1023748;1424273229;nubbins`;maybe if you just come to the community and openly admit you spent 10k btc on cocaine
1023749;1424273246;nubbins`;being forthright in this manner would help his cause significantly
1023750;1424273265;nubbins`;anyway
1023751;1424273271;nubbins`;"The thing is, I don't think there will ever be mass adoption of the system as it exist today. The 'average Joe' will be using some payment processor and not the blockchain directly. So the blockchain will have transactions from payment processors and early adopters/enthusiasts. The rest will be in closed systems and/or side chains that can solve a lot of the volume issues."
1023752;1424273364;BingoBoingo;;;ticker
1023753;1424273365;gribble;Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 237.8, Best ask: 238.54, Bid-ask spread: 0.74000, Last trade: 237.8, 24 hour volume: 13352.09109047, 24 hour low: 237.11, 24 hour high: 248.78, 24 hour vwap: 242.83957709
1023754;1424273366;thestringpuller;dunno which I hate more "hybrid cloud" or "mass adoption"
1023755;1424273418;thestringpuller;or "internets of thingz"
1023756;1424273544;thestringpuller;nubbins`: MP is more trusted than all random forum muppets and Gavin combined. Like parent to child, "I don't have to explain myself to you."
1023757;1424273861;PeterL;!up thestringpuller
1023758;1424273872;thestringpuller;thanks PeterL
1023759;1424273878;PeterL;!up Dr-G
1023760;1424273926;danielpbarron;ok what is the point of "zher" and "zhim" ?? aren't these still gender specific??
1023761;1424273978;PeterL;link?
1023762;1424274000;danielpbarron;!s progress.org
1023763;1424274001;assbot;0 results for 'progress.org' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=progress.org
1023764;1424274016;danielpbarron;assbot is wrong; it's in there
1023765;1424274128;nubbins`;thestringpuller "trusted" is a relative term, yo!
1023766;1424274172;nubbins`;oprah is more trusted than almost anyone else alive, doesn't mean i'm gonna take her advice 8)
1023767;1424274177;danielpbarron;adding a 'z' to a word doesn't magically transform it into a gender neutral term any more than adding a cape to a retard magically enables him, excuse me, zhim to fly
1023768;1424274262;PeterL;maybe you pick whichever you like better, zhim or zher, and use it for both genders?
1023769;1424274264;jurov;i understod it as "replace her, him and it both by `zer`"
1023770;1424274309;PeterL;I seem to remember in middle English they used something like "hir" for both genders?
1023771;1424274330;nubbins`;he/him  she/her  zhe/zher
1023772;1424274331;PeterL;but it's been a while since I read Chaucer, so I might be wrong
1023773;1424274436;punkman;https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B-IvozdCIAACbi5.jpg
1023774;1424274436;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1Bm2LRa )
1023775;1424274515;PeterL;myself, I sometimes use the pronoun "e" in place of he/she
1023776;1424274588;danielpbarron;in an attempt to grok this, i read the sentence so many times even the word 'her' doesn't look right
1023777;1424274653;PeterL;which sentence?
1023778;1424274679;danielpbarron;"Zhe was walking zher dog down the street and then gave zhim a treat." << couldn't it be "Zhe was walking zher dog .. and gave zher a treat" ?
1023779;1424274762;PeterL;zher is possesive
1023780;1424274773;PeterL;zhim is object pronoun
1023781;1424274823;mircea_popescu;wut.
1023782;1424274827;PeterL;"she was walking her dog down street, gave her a treat", "he was walking down the street with his dog, gave him a treat"
1023783;1424274846;mircea_popescu;dogs are it.
1023784;1424274863;kakobrekla;no, the dog gave the treat
1023785;1424274880;PeterL;her can be equivalent to him or his, because English is not a very systematic language
1023786;1424274887;danielpbarron;that's why dog owners always bring plastic baggies; for treat collection
1023787;1424274888;thestringpuller;nubbins`: something something loyalty.
1023788;1424274911;mircea_popescu;the dog treat[ment]!
1023789;1424275121;PeterL;I gave it to her/him/zhim, the thing was hers/his/???
1023790;1424275201;mircea_popescu;i propose she/he/herp her/him/herp hers/his/derp
1023791;1424275304;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes: safe and secure in the ca government's hands. << fountains gotta fountain.
1023792;1424275387;PeterL;BingoBoingo: s/produces much Britain's /produces much of Britains's in http://qntra.net/2015/02/scotland-takes-symbolic-step-towards-online-independence/
1023793;1424275388;assbot;Scotland Takes Symbolic Step Towards Online Independence | Qntra.net ... ( http://bit.ly/1Bm5mKR )
1023794;1424275416;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-02-2015#1022914 << it occurs to me a good time to run away is when an australian guy finds a spider he never saw before.
1023795;1424275416;assbot;Logged on 18-02-2015 02:24:56; cazalla: i'm cleaning up and what do i see.. a spider, but one i've never seen before http://i.imgur.com/5Es7jlg.jpg
1023796;1424275422;mircea_popescu;it's probably the antichrist.
1023797;1424275492;jurov;what to do when said guy wants to keep said spider as pet?
1023798;1424275524;mircea_popescu;run away further!
1023799;1424275669;jurov;!up thestringpuller
1023800;1424275716;mircea_popescu;"Yet another article describing what we've known for a while : secure computing is in fact rendered impossible by the hardware itself, what with DMAi, what with defective separation of controlii with CPUs embedded in all the peripherals anyway and so on and so forth."
1023801;1424275728;mircea_popescu;holy shit trilema was discussing the "hard drtives discovery" a year ago ?
1023802;1424275734;mircea_popescu;thanks asciilifeform for digging it up lol
1023803;1424276032;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform: probably needs entirely new chemistry. << graphite base ?
1023804;1424276047;thestringpuller;mircea_popescu doesn't like spiders?
1023805;1424276054;mircea_popescu;no one says you need a dielectric with conductive masks, you could use a conductor with dielectric masks ?
1023806;1424276123;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform: but to somehow lay out electrical logic elements at the customary densities << you're right that it's the wrong thought, and also, "customary" - honestly even making something like a z80, as long as it can be made at home, with equipment costing about what a z80 cost, is well worth it.
1023807;1424276197;mircea_popescu;!up wtf
1023808;1424276447;jurov;how long it takes a z80 to make or verify ECDSA signature?
1023809;1424276568;jurov;let's say it takes 10 cycles per average instruction, at 8MHz, ecdsa is about 500k steps
1023810;1424276608;jurov;;;calc 500000/(8000000/10)
1023811;1424276609;gribble;0.625
1023812;1424276635;jurov;and i suspect i'm very optimistic about 500k steps = 500k 16bit instructions
1023813;1424276697;jurov;lol it's 8bit actually xD
1023814;1424276751;mircea_popescu;jurov this discussion is along the lines of "nobody will use bitcoin if transactions take > x arbitrary time"
1023815;1424276768;mircea_popescu;this is false : when there is no alternative, no one "doesn't use" it because aesthetics.
1023816;1424276808;nubbins`;!s portatronic
1023817;1424276809;assbot;13 results for 'portatronic' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=portatronic
1023818;1424276813;mircea_popescu;if the only way to make a secure signature is to take a day to do it, heck, you'll take a day.
1023819;1424276818;mircea_popescu;people did business when it took a month.
1023820;1424276826;jurov;so they'll use only because they can cook it at home?
1023821;1424276836;kakobrekla; x arbitrary time < not when x approaches infinite
1023822;1424276848;jurov;when there's a restaurant 1000x faster?
1023823;1424276854;mircea_popescu;jurov there isn't.
1023824;1424276868;mircea_popescu;that's the point. if there is we just use that.
1023825;1424276880;mircea_popescu;kakobrekla yes, only for finite xen
1023826;1424276919;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform: and hence this. << tis great, what.
1023827;1424276978;kakobrekla;you actually dont have to go that far. for me 100years + is pretty much as good as infinite, as i dont expect to see it
1023828;1424276986;jurov;what specifically "there isn't"?
1023829;1424276992;mircea_popescu;kakobrekla agreed.
1023830;1424277011;mircea_popescu;jurov there isn't hardware you can trust.
1023831;1424277043;jurov;there is. teletype and such
1023832;1424277051;mircea_popescu;but regardless, that's not how death comes to it. death comes to it like bitcoin came to the usd : first, it's a toy.
1023833;1424277052;mircea_popescu;then...
1023834;1424277056;jurov;z80 is closer to teletype than to any modern cpu
1023835;1424277081;mircea_popescu;i merely wish to point out that i had better games on the z80 than on the ipad.
1023836;1424277098;jurov;but you certainly didn't have better crypto
1023837;1424277106;mircea_popescu;but i did have better security.
1023838;1424277114;nubbins`;;;google "death comes quick for these types"
1023839;1424277115;gribble;Influenza - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Influenza>; Ebola virus disease - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ebola_virus_disease>; The Critical Issue of Life and Death - BuddhaNet: <http://www.buddhanet.net/cbp2_f7.htm>
1023840;1424277126;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9850 @ 0.00043382 = 4.2731 BTC [+]
1023841;1424277126;mircea_popescu;nubbins` google doesn't get a joke >D
1023842;1424277151;nubbins`;was actually wondering if a specific thing'd come up
1023843;1424277155;jurov;as long as you made no transactions involving wires or floppies, then yes.
1023844;1424277191;mircea_popescu;i did. but nobody had a clue to tap them.
1023845;1424277193;jurov;or you seriously propose homebrew ICs just to be able to play 8bit stuff again?
1023846;1424277219;mircea_popescu;not exactly. but to reconstruct the universe of people who made and played those, and their thoughts and ideas.
1023847;1424277223;Adlai;https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=9066090
1023848;1424277225;assbot;So the question is - do we really want to keep our market economy and see if it ... | Hacker News ... ( http://bit.ly/1Bmaizk )
1023849;1424277232;mircea_popescu;a large portion of the insecurity today is due to the fact that people like poettering CAN be involved.
1023850;1424277246;mircea_popescu;the reason z80 era was secure was because governments, generally, COULD NOT be involved
1023851;1424277251;mircea_popescu;for lack of intellectual capacity
1023852;1424277266;mircea_popescu;(note i am discussing strictly soviet satellites here, obviously each place has its own golden age)
1023853;1424277267;jurov;lol you idealize it. they were involved exactly because it was simple, unlike any crypto
1023854;1424277283;jurov;no maffs nmecessary
1023855;1424277294;mircea_popescu;i happen to know the guys and what they did, exhaustively and personally.
1023856;1424277300;mircea_popescu;no idealization involved.
1023857;1424277327;mircea_popescu;but perhaps excessive geo particularization, obv.
1023858;1424277354;jurov;well, i know some too. very few of them improved so much that they would be able to implement bitcoin
1023859;1424277383;jurov;like, statistical error
1023860;1424277393;mircea_popescu;it's not so much a "i want those guys back" as it is "i want the situaiton where being 20 and into computers was more distinctive than any other thing - and you could spot a govt mole from a mile away"
1023861;1424277419;kakobrekla;Adlai stupid thread. just wait till you cant distinguish silicon from flesh.
1023862;1424277441;thestringpuller;mircea_popescu: when has it ever been easy to spot a mole?
1023863;1424277443;mircea_popescu;and im pretty sure the us had this too, even if i wasn't there t o witness, for reasons like the beginning of gate's career, when he was a whiny turd outcast at computer conventions.
1023864;1424277457;thestringpuller;Or at least a good one. Spies have gotten better methinks.
1023865;1424277466;mircea_popescu;his rise in fact exactly mirrors this particular economic change, where shitgnomes finally became able to breach into computing.
1023866;1424277469;Adlai;kakobrekla: s/silicon|flesh/lab-grown|organic/
1023867;1424277472;mircea_popescu;thestringpuller it generally is.
1023868;1424277487;mircea_popescu;spies are worse than they ever were in the history of the world, with the exception of 1200.
1023869;1424277494;Adlai;"sorry, i prefer to only have organic sex"
1023870;1424277498;Adlai;!up thestringpuller
1023871;1424277537;mircea_popescu;decimation: < 'leadership' at its finest << no, he has a point, and it's perhaps the first time i've seen obama say something intelligent.
1023872;1424277538;Adlai;note that in this case both would technically be "organic", but one side has the moral superiority of whatever the "organic" buzzword stands for
1023873;1424277563;mircea_popescu;what he is saying is, "you can not give me an unbounded task and then expect me to reason about it. you already set the tone as metaphysical by your task description"
1023874;1424277569;mircea_popescu;but he says it decorously.
1023875;1424277584;thestringpuller;Well you had ninjas and shit a millenium ago. Now you have "poor replication" or ninja.
1023876;1424277589;thestringpuller;of ninja*
1023877;1424277594;mircea_popescu;and his point is entirely valid : when it comes to idiocy, blaming obama is pointless. blame the public.
1023878;1424277606;nubbins`;blaming the public is kinda pointless too
1023879;1424277611;mircea_popescu;how so ?
1023880;1424277616;mircea_popescu;i do not mean "the public" collectively.
1023881;1424277620;nubbins`;might as well blame the wind. what's to gain?
1023882;1424277621;nubbins`;o.
1023883;1424277624;mircea_popescu;i mean, joint and several, every single individual, individually.
1023884;1424277635;nubbins`;of course you do
1023885;1424277643;nubbins`;8)
1023886;1424277645;mircea_popescu;ie, every single us citizen is to hang for the debt. himself. personally. for the whole sum of it, 50 trillion or w/e it is.
1023887;1424277658;mircea_popescu;o, you don't have 50 trn ? fuck you, we're making soap. next.
1023888;1424277706;kakobrekla;Adlai there doesn't have to be a difference to argue about it. See http://pwbelectronics.co.uk/whatamess.html
1023889;1424277707;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1BmbFOr )
1023890;1424277737;nubbins`;what's 50trn in real money
1023891;1424277768;mircea_popescu;nubbins` one million detached houses would do.
1023892;1424277794;mircea_popescu;alternatively, one could pay in heads of cattle. fifty billion of them or so.
1023893;1424277819;mod6;;;calc 21000000/50000000000000
1023894;1424277819;gribble;4.2e-07
1023895;1424277833;mircea_popescu;or if not, we're repossessing all of the person's 5 billion cars, or whatever, 200 billion ipads.
1023896;1424277837;mircea_popescu;got 200 billion ipads ?
1023897;1424277850;mircea_popescu;o look, russia could buy america!!11
1023898;1424277894;thestringpuller;;;calc 50000000000000 / 21000000
1023899;1424277895;gribble;2380952.38095
1023900;1424277923;mod6;thx tsp
1023901;1424278007;mircea_popescu;i wonder what the prices for slaves would look like if the market was suddenly deluged with 300mn lazy, self entitled, "Consumers have come to expect" ish people.
1023902;1424278023;mircea_popescu;i should probably buy Crop&Cane Inc shares.
1023903;1424278048;thestringpuller;those people would make terrible slaves even if beaten
1023904;1424278054;mod6;^
1023905;1424278081;thestringpuller;"ho -> housewife" or something rappers say
1023906;1424278082;mod6;"Stop that! Get me a latte!"
1023907;1424278128;mircea_popescu;that lasts for maybe an hour.
1023908;1424278130;mircea_popescu;maybe.
1023909;1424278175;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform: either a 'loose lips' or - more likely - ancient disinfo reworked for www << that.
1023910;1424278252;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes explain teh "Red queen" reference ?
1023911;1424278555;ben_vulpes;mircea_popescu: evolutionary race thing
1023912;1424278568;ben_vulpes;peacock feathers, gate sizes
1023913;1424278627;mircea_popescu;van velen ?
1023914;1424278683;mircea_popescu;ie, "gotta do all the running you can just to stay put" thing ?
1023915;1424278695;ben_vulpes;yeah, that.
1023916;1424278705;ben_vulpes;niche exhaustion.
1023917;1424278710;mircea_popescu;yeah ok.
1023918;1424278765;mircea_popescu;brendafdez :I could be running some shady business there instead... << wut ?!
1023919;1424278773;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4900 @ 0.00043382 = 2.1257 BTC [+]
1023920;1424278790;mircea_popescu;either this chick has the most bizarre sense of humor that also happens to not translate well, or else she's insane.
1023921;1424278967;mircea_popescu;brendafdez: I was wondering if the Wordpress pingback DDoS is still an issue << it was never fixed. they just "Refactored" the code to preserve all th bugs but break people's ability to find them. someone in the comment section did the work and identified the new form of the ancient bug.
1023922;1424279119;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-02-2015#1023470 << i bashed it. and some earlier thing. this log rocked LOL
1023923;1424279119;assbot;Logged on 18-02-2015 14:19:21; ben_vulpes: that's like the second eyeroll i've had cuz of irc in 5 minutes
1023924;1424279162;ben_vulpes;i kinda stopped watching the bash when my great bashes all got flushed
1023925;1424279227;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-02-2015#1023516 << i don't uinderstand... why making a statementy and signing it with the key in question is no good ?
1023926;1424279227;assbot;Logged on 18-02-2015 14:31:41; danielpbarron: stupid github thinks i'm not human; i figured gpg to asswot should be enough proof
1023927;1424279235;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes aww which !?
1023928;1424279253;ben_vulpes;gpg rules everything around me, for one
1023929;1424279257;ben_vulpes;excellent wu tang reference
1023930;1424279271;ben_vulpes;no wait
1023931;1424279275;ben_vulpes;hashes rule everything around me?
1023932;1424279278;ben_vulpes;i dunno
1023933;1424279281;ben_vulpes;it was in the bash at one point
1023934;1424279305;kakobrekla;http://bash.bitcoin-assets.com/?quote=16
1023935;1424279306;assbot;#bitcoin-assets bash ... ( http://bit.ly/1BmgkQC )
1023936;1424279334;ben_vulpes;ah shit old times
1023937;1424279340;mircea_popescu;derp.
1023938;1424279350;ben_vulpes;http://bash.bitcoin-assets.com/?quote=4 << see what's gone now?
1023939;1424279351;assbot;#bitcoin-assets bash ... ( http://bit.ly/1BmgqYu )
1023940;1424279374;mircea_popescu;wut ?
1023941;1424279383;ben_vulpes;all the points.
1023942;1424279397;mircea_popescu;danielpbarron: probably because the last thing i recall doing on github had something to do with making fun of gender pronouns << certainly.
1023943;1424279415;mircea_popescu;because that's the libertard thinking, if anyone makes fun of his idiocy then therefore they may no longer exist
1023944;1424279419;ben_vulpes;http://bash.bitcoin-assets.com/?quote=12 << baww lookit mike_c
1023945;1424279420;assbot;#bitcoin-assets bash ... ( http://bit.ly/1BmgBml )
1023946;1424279421;mircea_popescu;gotta preserve the stupid!
1023947;1424279437;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes wouldja be happier if there was a rng added to the vote counts ? :D
1023948;1424279444;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14800 @ 0.00042284 = 6.258 BTC [-] {2} 
1023949;1424279458;ben_vulpes;neh can't trust it
1023950;1424279479;mike_c;ben_vulpes: that was when I was auctioning off options in channel.  the good old days.
1023951;1424279523;mircea_popescu;nubbins`: "And if some high official, such as the president, says zhe will use gender-neutral pronouns for zher own writing, and ask that those writing to zhim do so also, that would provide a powerful boost." << conversely, if some hehigh officialman such as the manpresidentguy fucked a dog^H^H^H bitch
1023952;1424279531;mircea_popescu;that'd ALSO give a boost. especially to news at 11.
1023953;1424279614;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-02-2015#1023575 << and zher rather than zhis is obviously because the argument isn't what it's being presented as, but something quite else entirely.
1023954;1424279614;assbot;Logged on 18-02-2015 14:49:27; nubbins`: Save us from confusing grammar such as “everyone must have their books.” Make it instead “everyone must have zher books.” It then becomes clear that each person must have one’s own book and not the books of all the others. It is also shorter and less awkward than having to say “his or her” all the time.
1023955;1424279644;Adlai;obligatory mention of Black Mirror, in case nobody has seen it yet
1023956;1424279646;kakobrekla;anyway theres 20 bashes waiting for moderation if someone wants to give it a go..
1023957;1424279666;mircea_popescu;kakobrekla whoever next complains gets saddled with doing it for a month ?
1023958;1424279687;kakobrekla;that could be punishing the readers
1023959;1424279696;mircea_popescu;anyway, what happens once mp refuses to fork english to make the pronoun blocks more inclusive ?
1023960;1424279698;ben_vulpes;bring back the rota
1023961;1424279704;mircea_popescu;do we have a english sell war ?
1023962;1424279717;Adlai;english is dead, we're speaking freenode
1023963;1424279722;Adlai;or asslish
1023964;1424279730;mircea_popescu;no. this is the king's english.
1023965;1424279730;kakobrekla;!b 2
1023966;1424279731;assbot;Last 2 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/1QEV33A.txt )
1023967;1424279735;mircea_popescu;they're speaking w/e the fuck it is.
1023968;1424279735;kakobrekla;21
1023969;1424279750;kakobrekla;meh mp broked it
1023970;1424279778;Adlai;guy walking down a hedge, hears chanting behind a gap - "twenty one! twenty one! twenty one!"
1023971;1424279779;mircea_popescu;who the fuck seriously thinks the their in "everyone must have their books" could possibly mean "all the books"
1023972;1424279826;mircea_popescu;nubbins`: it's a hobby << you and danielpbarron have a lot more in common than either of you realise.
1023973;1424279828;mircea_popescu;plus the beard.
1023974;1424279914;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-02-2015#1023592 << kinda easy when you have like, you know, an actual list of customers who are actually paying you. like... money.
1023975;1424279914;assbot;Logged on 18-02-2015 14:53:13; ben_vulpes: http://www.ritholtz.com/blog/2015/02/tech-leads-the-way/ << look, microshit beat facebutts!
1023976;1424279940;mircea_popescu;it's a concept hard to zunderstand zfor zthe zretard zcrowd, however let us say it's "sort-of like likes", in that there's kind-of a limited supply.
1023977;1424280000;mircea_popescu;btw, i bet you half a dead badger someone ejaculated on vs any trading card mythological beast that this entire z-ification of words is a ploy by some well connected (online) otaku to improve the scrabble board.
1023978;1424280016;mircea_popescu;cause zhe is like all into scrabble and hates the lack of zwords so zhe made zsome.
1023979;1424280053;mircea_popescu;nevermind that zenglish looks kinda like hungarian, and if he wanted zs for j and sz for sh he should just learn that instead of inventing "a new one".
1023980;1424280138;mircea_popescu;danielpbarron btw, send me some pile of pogoplugs pics when you have a moment.
1023981;1424280240;mircea_popescu;nubbins`:is anyone interested in donating a modicum of bandwidth to such a thing? << it's a kind-of stupid idea because a presynched chain is not verified.
1023982;1424280298;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 2500 @ 0.00085 = 2.125 BTC [+]
1023983;1424280346;mircea_popescu;nubbins`: kinda tempted to buy like a hundred << do.
1023984;1424280400;mircea_popescu;nubbins`: i guess no easy way to count << easy, like 60. http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=03-02-2015#1004255
1023985;1424280400;assbot;Logged on 03-02-2015 16:17:18; mircea_popescu: people keep derping about uh oh, 7k nodes. BULLSHIT. we're down from 270k to 61.
1023986;1424280448;mircea_popescu;incidentally, this point may be worth a qntra ? not exactly news, per se, but certainly would be news to a large section of "community"
1023987;1424280475;Adlai;!up thestringpuller
1023988;1424280563;thestringpuller;ben_vulpes: it was gpg rules everything around me GREAM...get the hashes crypto crypto crypto coin. iirc
1023989;1424280577;ben_vulpes;thestringpuller: yeah mircea_popescu found the bash and everything
1023990;1424280599;ben_vulpes;crypto crypto coin /y'all/
1023991;1424280603;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 2500 @ 0.00085 = 2.125 BTC [+]
1023992;1424280606;thestringpuller;Ah just saw it.
1023993;1424280620;thestringpuller;Wu Tang Cyrpto Financial.
1023994;1424280658;mircea_popescu;"He has made an investment in up to 10k nodes that would be obsolete if Gavin pushes through his hard fork."
1023995;1424280659;mircea_popescu;lmao wut.
1023996;1424280667;thestringpuller;"you gotta diversify your crypto assets nigga"
1023997;1424280678;mircea_popescu;dude, seriously, they need a lot better content, wtf.
1023998;1424280725;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14200 @ 0.00044046 = 6.2545 BTC [+] {2} 
1023999;1424280781;mircea_popescu;ahh nice, caught up. alrighty, laters all!
1024000;1424280969;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9914 @ 0.0004445 = 4.4068 BTC [+]
1024001;1424281030;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16650 @ 0.00044466 = 7.4036 BTC [+] {2} 
1024002;1424282428;pete_dushenski;http://www.contravex.com/2015/02/18/you-need-an-ambien-to-sleep-because-you-bought-the-trappings-of-power-instead-of-the-real-thing/
1024003;1424282430;assbot;You need an Ambien to sleep because you bought the trappings of power instead of the real thing. | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski ... ( http://bit.ly/1G3b1V6 )
1024004;1424282503;pete_dushenski;more waterfalia coming: "U.S. Marshals to auction off 50,000 bitcoins forfeited by Silk Road founder - Reuters"
1024005;1424282538;mike_c;they've sold what, 80k so far?
1024006;1424282560;pete_dushenski;and alan "not a us agent" silbert is already pleading ignorance: "I don't recall- has the market ever gone down AFTER these auctions occur? B/c I don't think anybody buying at auction would dump them on mkt"
1024007;1424282572;pete_dushenski;mike_c: sounds about right
1024008;1424282616;pete_dushenski;fuckin eh this silbert guy thinks that he can avoid the fate of hearn and gavin
1024009;1424282620;pete_dushenski;as if
1024010;1424282921;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8107 @ 0.00041999 = 3.4049 BTC [-]
1024011;1424283465;danielpbarron;height=200106 vs height=184384
1024012;1424283528;danielpbarron;whenever i check in on these things, the solid state drive is usually busy processing new blocks, and the 5400 rpm pogo is busy discarding bogus data or whatever it does besides processing blocks
1024013;1424283714;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23500 @ 0.0004449 = 10.4552 BTC [+]
1024014;1424284915;ben_vulpes;pete dooce
1024015;1424285422;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14693 @ 0.00041881 = 6.1536 BTC [-] {2} 
1024016;1424285425;pete_dushenski;much better
1024017;1424285483;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 78439 @ 0.00041699 = 32.7083 BTC [-] {2} 
1024018;1424285910;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25100 @ 0.00041698 = 10.4662 BTC [-]
1024019;1424289448;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5556 @ 0.00042193 = 2.3442 BTC [+]
1024020;1424290640;danielpbarron;!up mogreen
1024021;1424291947;PeterL;just did a "digital job interview" with BASF, consisted of just recording a video of me answering the typical interview questions.
1024022;1424291995;PeterL;what is the world coming to when you talk to a computer instead of a person when interviewing for a job?
1024023;1424292023;jurov;the computer asked the questions?
1024024;1424292048;lobbes;after one of my last interviews I almost would've preferred that; the dude was so dejected it was depressing
1024025;1424292049;PeterL;yes, well, they were printed on the screen, and I talk into the camera to answer
1024026;1424292080;PeterL;if the guy interviewing you is dejected, doesn't that tell you something about the company?
1024027;1424292085;danielpbarron;job interview should better take place on irc
1024028;1424292089;lobbes;exactly why I didn't take it lol
1024029;1424292106;lobbes;which I guess you can't glean from a computer, so..
1024030;1424292163;danielpbarron;they get to pretent they are important by making you apply with an automation
1024031;1424292183;PeterL;a couple jobs ago, when I interviewed the guy grabbed a random coworker and asked "don't you like working here", they were like "ummmmmmm, sure?" that should have been a sign, but I took job anyway
1024032;1424292310;PeterL;and I hate the question "how much did your last job pay, and what do you expect to get paid"? Are they going to throw out my resume if I say too high a number? Obviously they won't go above the number I say, right?
1024033;1424292351;PeterL;"I made X before, but I expect to be paid 2X (and I would take the job if you offer me 1/2 X)"
1024034;1424292437;assbot;[MPEX] [S.QNTR] 22381 @ 0.00028529 = 6.3851 BTC [+]
1024035;1424292531;trinque;PeterL: "I would prefer to hear your offer and work from there."
1024036;1424292549;trinque;that question is effectively "please sell yourself short so I don't have to"
1024037;1424292764;PeterL;oh, and their website requires flash, which is no longer supports Linux systems or MacOS < 10.6, bleh (I ended up using my smartphone instead)
1024038;1424292802;trinque;anyone have a fast node I can give deedbot btcd? it's got about a month left of catching up
1024039;1424292806;trinque;danielpbarron: ? ^
1024040;1424292817;danielpbarron;uh idk if mine is "fast"
1024041;1424292822;danielpbarron;runs off a home internet connection
1024042;1424292854;trinque;danielpbarron: k
1024043;1424292862;danielpbarron;and in my experience, directly connecting to a node takes longer than just letting it discover peers, even when the direct connect is on the local area network
1024044;1424292883;trinque;it seems to have one it likes atm
1024045;1424292896;trinque;I'll just let it run unless anyone has a suggestion on how to make it hurry up
1024046;1424292905;danielpbarron;although my experience in that regard is limited to pogo->pogo
1024047;1424292927;danielpbarron;the bottleneck there is probably not ethernet speed
1024048;1424292939;trinque;probably disk IO eh?
1024049;1424292985;danielpbarron;well yeah disk IO is the bottleneck for one syncing with the network;  i think it's another matter when one is trying to seed *while* still syncing
1024050;1424292999;danielpbarron;maybe also disk IO
1024051;1424293033;danielpbarron;i was hoping to conserve bandwidth by having one feed the other, but it just slowed them down
1024052;1424293067;trinque;I'm running at about a block every 45sec to 1:30 on 339018
1024053;1424293079;danielpbarron;sounds about right
1024054;1424296029;scoopbot;New post on Qntra.net by cazalla: http://qntra.net/2015/02/usms-announce-yet-another-bitcoin-auction/
1024055;1424296280;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5931 @ 0.00042193 = 2.5025 BTC [+]
1024056;1424296341;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3519 @ 0.00042678 = 1.5018 BTC [+]
1024057;1424296471;cazalla;going back to the circle selfie request from earlier, wonder how much of this they get https://www.reddit.com/comments/2wai34/slug/cop45k9
1024058;1424296473;assbot;murzika comments on We Deserve A Better Bitcoin Experience Than Circle ... ( http://bit.ly/1vXUXUf )
1024059;1424299696;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3650 @ 0.00043936 = 1.6037 BTC [+]
1024060;1424300551;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6500 @ 0.00042356 = 2.7531 BTC [-]
1024061;1424301221;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5400 @ 0.00042356 = 2.2872 BTC [-]
1024062;1424302692;mod6;;;calc 1000000000000000/13853000
1024063;1424302694;gribble;72186529.9935
1024064;1424302734;mod6;;;calc 50000000000000/72186529.99
1024065;1424302734;gribble;692650.000034
1024066;1424302771;mod6;so given 1qd dollars, 50tn would be ~700k btc
1024067;1424302827;mod6;1FundZy7m7b8begbh9haCguKJcAdFopRJ9
1024068;1424303051;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20974 @ 0.00043936 = 9.2151 BTC [+]
1024069;1424303478;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19600 @ 0.00043257 = 8.4784 BTC [-] {2} 
1024070;1424303624;*;jurov got compelled to check 1FundZy to check for anything interesting
1024071;1424303632;jurov;no trillions, sadly
1024072;1424303691;mod6;so apparently global wealth was ~$263Tn in 2014
1024073;1424303720;mod6;;;calc 263000000000000/13853000
1024074;1424303720;gribble;18985057.3883
1024075;1424303738;mod6;;;calc 50000000000000/18985057.3883
1024076;1424303738;gribble;2633650.19011
1024077;1424303754;jurov;http://www.phoronix.com/forums/showthread.php?114020-Systemd-Gets-An-Fsck-Daemon-Service&p=472061#post472061 << lol a real cult
1024078;1424303755;assbot; Systemd Gets An Fsck Daemon/Service - Page 2 ... ( http://bit.ly/1DDtQyx )
1024079;1424303783;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14524 @ 0.00043936 = 6.3813 BTC [+]
1024080;1424303819;jurov;and all the incantations before it
1024081;1424303925;jurov;"any number of small independent problems can be solved by one complex interdependent solution"
1024082;1424304012;jurov;inb4 "Our SystemD in the clouds, hallowed be zer name, zer kingdom cometh...
1024083;1424304033;mod6;one turd to rule them all...
1024084;1424304088;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 53500 @ 0.00041842 = 22.3855 BTC [-] {3} 
1024085;1424304271;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28012 @ 0.00042308 = 11.8513 BTC [+]
1024086;1424304332;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23838 @ 0.00043985 = 10.4851 BTC [+] {2} 
1024087;1424304637;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27900 @ 0.00041577 = 11.6 BTC [-] {2} 
1024088;1424305369;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7074 @ 0.00043714 = 3.0923 BTC [+]
1024089;1424305674;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5200 @ 0.00043764 = 2.2757 BTC [+]
1024090;1424306223;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8300 @ 0.00043764 = 3.6324 BTC [+]
1024091;1424307016;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21050 @ 0.00043764 = 9.2123 BTC [+]
1024092;1424307805;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: you could use a conductor with dielectric masks << l0l!! not invertible, think for halfaminute
1024093;1424307809;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5564 @ 0.00044119 = 2.4548 BTC [+]
1024094;1424307837;asciilifeform;you can't draw a circuit on a sheet of copper with nonconductive glue either...
1024095;1424307870;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10177 @ 0.00044483 = 4.527 BTC [+] {2} 
1024096;1424307891;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: ... making something like a z80, as long as it can be made at home, with equipment costing about what a z80 cost << absolutely. but it is important to understand that a z80 (or even intel 4004) is far, far closer to the 'pentium' than to anything that has ever been built entirely at home from discretes
1024097;1424307924;asciilifeform;jurov: ... say it takes 10 cycles per average instruction, at 8MHz, ecdsa is about 500k steps << memory is by far the more merciless constraint
1024098;1424307931;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4359 @ 0.0004471 = 1.9489 BTC [+]
1024099;1424307948;asciilifeform;it isn't a question of 'takes longer', but of simply-never-happens
1024100;1424308053;asciilifeform;jurov: z80 is closer to teletype than to any modern cpu << again nope. here's a suggested exercise for everyone: take the z80 (find a die shot or whatever) and zoom it out to make the transistors discrete. how much physical space will this occupy? how many tonnes of copper wire? how many hundreds kWatt of power used? for chillers?
1024101;1424308069;asciilifeform;you get, more or less, an early '60s mainframe..
1024102;1424308103;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: ...to reconstruct the universe of people who made and played those, and their thoughts << here i am, lol
1024103;1424308191;asciilifeform;'if wish were horse' etc
1024104;1424308297;BingoBoingo;<asciilifeform> jurov: z80 is closer to teletype than to any modern cpu << again nope. here's a suggested exercise for everyone: take the z80 (find a die shot or whatever) and zoom it out to make the transistors discrete. how much physical space will this occupy? how many tonnes of copper wire? how many hundreds kWatt of power used? for chillers? << Sometime in 2013 on Tardstalk to celebrate advent of the "ASIC Age" I drunkenly pr
1024105;1424308298;BingoBoingo;oposed Burning Man style festival centered around 1 Acre "ASIC" with a goal of at least 1 h/s. Gained insufficient traction.
1024106;1424308495;BingoBoingo;https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/2wcmii/i_just_burnt_056_btc/copmcwl
1024107;1424308498;assbot;_whitenoise comments on I just burnt 0.56 btc ... ( http://bit.ly/19yWZje )
1024108;1424308648;asciilifeform;i don't get this.
1024109;1424308666;asciilifeform;if i lost xx btc by tripping over a cord, or the like, last thing i'd think to do is to publicly 'brag'
1024110;1424308685;asciilifeform;do these folks have sense of shame wire crossed with something ?
1024111;1424308753;BingoBoingo;I was more loling at libertard reddit suggesting the rice trick attracts azns to fix the phone. But yes. Clumsy then toasting phone then bragging suggests compiled in the womb without the -SHAME flag set
1024112;1424309032;BingoBoingo;<trinque> I'm running at about a block every 45sec to 1:30 on 339018 << Are you really sure you want to be using btcd instead of bitcoind then? November 2013 was the most brutal month I've sync'd so far this round and no where near that bad on this wimpy machine
1024113;1424309169;asciilifeform;http://marc.info/?l=classiccmp&m=104957136420897&w=2 << re: z80 thread
1024114;1424309171;assbot;'Re: How many transistors in the 6502 processor?' - MARC ... ( http://bit.ly/1yZBq05 )
1024115;1424309297;asciilifeform;http://www.cpu-collection.de/?tn=0&l0=co&l1=Zilog&l2=Z80#Z80A8400W2NA
1024116;1424309298;assbot;cpu-collection.de  >> Zilog  >> Z80  ... ( http://bit.ly/19yZZMH )
1024117;1424309299;asciilifeform;^ has others
1024118;1424309351;asciilifeform;another thing to remember is path delays...
1024119;1424309487;asciilifeform;http://www.pdp8.net/straight8/functional_restore.shtml << pdp-8 made of discrete transistors in the first model. note the details:
1024120;1424309509;asciilifeform;'The backplanes contain 230 cards, approximately 10,148 diodes, 1409 transistors, 5615 resistors, and 1674 capacitors. Cards only used for interconnect were not counted.'
1024121;1424309578;asciilifeform;last thing i'll say about this for now is that it is a grave mistake to rebuild these starvation-camp machines as 'dawn of year zero.' these impossibly cramped programmable calculators are how we ended up with a braindamaged computing stack in the first place
1024122;1424309649;asciilifeform;and yes, unix is pretty good for a pdp-8, but unix is ultimately braindamaged when compared to what is possible.
1024123;1424309787;asciilifeform;(other thing about pdp-8 - ferrite bead 'core' memory. what is one to substitute for it, if avoiding modern ic?)
1024124;1424309932;BingoBoingo;Obligatory task that could be more distasteful than pdp-8 reversion http://pipeline.corante.com/archives/2008/04/08/fun_with_tunichromes.php
1024125;1424309933;assbot;Fun With Tunichromes. In the Pipeline:  ... ( http://bit.ly/1yZDANw )
1024126;1424310044;asciilifeform;^ wtf. that doesn't sound unpleasant at all.
1024127;1424310072;asciilifeform;not compared to what i do for a living at any rate.
1024128;1424310158;asciilifeform;and who among us (other than possibly mircea_popescu) would not rather do something involving a pdp-8 than what they did today.
1024129;1424310197;mircea_popescu;i was out all day what!
1024130;1424310256;*;asciilifeform was also out all day, and is about to be out some more, is tired
1024131;1424310330;trinque;BingoBoingo: well I'd expect nov '13 to be easier than jan '15 right?
1024132;1424310346;trinque;er dec '14
1024133;1424310365;trinque;strike that again, it's on january now
1024134;1424310371;BingoBoingo;trinque: Well I was off by 100,00 blocks, but looking at the blocksize chart it is really hard to say.
1024135;1424310401;BingoBoingo;<asciilifeform> and who among us (other than possibly mircea_popescu) would not rather do something involving a pdp-8 than what they did today. << I was more concerned with the 'actual' smells.
1024136;1424310442;BingoBoingo;Could you imagine if the pdp-8 got full of ocelot dander?
1024137;1424310504;BingoBoingo;trinque: But some months are much slower than the ones that follow. November 2013 sucked. December 2013 zipping by.
1024138;1424310595;mike_c;BingoBoingo: i lol'd. for real.
1024139;1424310604;mike_c;(rice trick)
1024140;1424310697;BingoBoingo;mike_c: I'm just impressed reddit lol's so much
1024141;1424310730;mike_c;yeah, that was an actual funny joke.
1024142;1424310902;BingoBoingo;And then there's the lol at the lol
1024143;1424310981;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11498 @ 0.0004473 = 5.1431 BTC [+] {3} 
1024144;1424311418;decimation;mircea_popescu: "what he is saying is, "you can not give me an unbounded task and then expect me to reason about it. you already set the tone as metaphysical by your task description"" < aye, and he should have said "I cannot accomplish that which you desire"
1024145;1424311432;mircea_popescu;yeah well, he's being polite.
1024146;1424311540;decimation;"o, you don't have 50 trn ? fuck you, we're making soap. next." < http://www.usdebtclock.org/ $185k per person
1024147;1424311541;assbot;U.S. National Debt Clock : Real Time ... ( http://bit.ly/1E7KDtU )
1024148;1424311548;decimation;per citizen that is
1024149;1424311580;decimation;that should be the bar for voting - if you don't have your $185k, you can't vote, because you are literally a bum
1024150;1424311684;BingoBoingo;decimation> that should be the bar for voting - if you don't have your $185k, you can't vote, because you are literally a bum << Maybe there should be trophies for certain people who inflicted directly and personally more than that damage on the fiat system without being politicos?
1024151;1424311729;BingoBoingo;i.e. Actual bum on the street who racks up 15 millions in US deficit via ER frequent flying gets a trophy.
1024152;1424311896;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 63700 @ 0.00044627 = 28.4274 BTC [-]
1024153;1424312018;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6000 @ 0.00043764 = 2.6258 BTC [-]
1024154;1424312689;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9250 @ 0.00044758 = 4.1401 BTC [+]
1024155;1424312700;BingoBoingo;lesser lol https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/2wd2l1/til_freebsd_takes_bitcoin_donations/
1024156;1424312702;assbot;TIL FreeBSD takes Bitcoin Donations. : Bitcoin ... ( http://bit.ly/1E7NEL0 )
1024157;1424313202;mircea_popescu;;;later tell bitstein i thought chomsky  had pretty much the best points.
1024158;1424313202;gribble;The operation succeeded.
1024159;1424313345;BingoBoingo;OMG mircea_popescu and chomsky sitting in a tree s-o-d-o M I E
1024160;1424313434;mircea_popescu;lmao
1024161;1424313562;BingoBoingo;What's blood has an adequate protein/lipid/water ratio to be an adequate lubriacant.
1024162;1424313630;*;BingoBoingo warns he is going though routine maintenance cycle atm. Drinking away Sunday-Tuesdays's odometer related existential crysis.
1024163;1424313788;BingoBoingo;Also... Reddit is rejecting-ish MUltisig
1024164;1424313950;BingoBoingo;At this moment I am convinced that even in the absence of a crypto exploit for multisig the PR campaign persists to standardize a set of worst practices as "ISO"
1024165;1424314021;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: 30?
1024166;1424314125;asciilifeform;if you don't have your $185k, you can't vote, because you are literally a bum << i've never seen, felt, smelled, 185k and don't expect to live to
1024167;1424314134;asciilifeform;then again, also don't need voting for anything in particular
1024168;1424314204;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: 29! Dangerously close to 30.
1024169;1424314283;asciilifeform;aha assumed 30 or the like given 'odometer rolled'
1024170;1424314301;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: lesser number roll too.
1024171;1424314396;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: i spent my 30th bday last yr populating v1 rng (x4) under stereomicroscope. whatever you did had to beat that.
1024172;1424314466;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: I went thorugh collenge notebooks stiking out entire years as total losses.
1024173;1424314576;asciilifeform;total losses how ?
1024174;1424314609;mircea_popescu;no chicks
1024175;1424314611;BingoBoingo;Early freshman year of college I was playing with slowaris and FreeBSD as serious computing solutions. Six years later I was contemplating upnade to windows 8 taken classes in VB.net for web applications because library school.
1024176;1424314630;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: Plenty of chicks for 4 of six years.
1024177;1424314641;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28461 @ 0.00042084 = 11.9775 BTC [-] {3} 
1024178;1424314805;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: how does library school lead to forced winblows ?
1024179;1424314822;asciilifeform;(i can see how, e.g., engineering school might)
1024180;1424314823;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: Web app development exercises
1024181;1424314868;BingoBoingo;ANd earlier in undergrad orders to stop submitting hmework as beautifully printed Latex
1024182;1424314925;BingoBoingo;Other library school particular onstacle to windows exodus is catalogging class with OCLC turd
1024183;1424315059;BingoBoingo;Instructor was not very happy in cataloging class when I suggested I turn in my homework on cassette tape as it resembles the media most that MARC was made for.
1024184;1424315155;BingoBoingo;I have yet to determine though whether "web application development" or "introduction to cataloguing" was worse for the soul.
1024185;1424315348;BingoBoingo;!up OneFixt
1024186;1424315749;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: How else do you disarm a population than by feedint its replacements shit and making them love it?
1024187;1424315879;asciilifeform;really loved 'visual basic' ?
1024188;1424315915;BingoBoingo;HATED, loathed. But it was the lingua class.
1024189;1424316021;BingoBoingo;VB to MSSQL MADE ME FEEL like a polish jew
1024190;1424316124;ben_vulpes;salud folks
1024191;1424316158;mircea_popescu;lol
1024192;1424316163;mircea_popescu;yo foxy.
1024193;1424316203;ben_vulpes;ca va
1024194;1424316231;ben_vulpes;this healthcare thing is a shitshow but i think i found the hack
1024195;1424316236;ben_vulpes;440/mo for 2
1024196;1424316244;ben_vulpes;max out of pocket (as if that can be trusted): 6k
1024197;1424316251;ben_vulpes;max hsa contribution for 2: 6k
1024198;1424316255;mircea_popescu;welcome mr joe stack v2.0
1024199;1424316275;ben_vulpes;haw no you see i'm the broker in these relationships
1024200;1424316306;mircea_popescu;aok
1024201;1424316312;BingoBoingo;ben_vulpes: You are they guy who doesn't realize he isn't even shoveling coal
1024202;1424316339;mircea_popescu;come to b-a to share your tax shelter glory, leave a sad, broken man.
1024203;1424316392;BingoBoingo;!b 1
1024204;1424316393;assbot;Last 1 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/3ZNSGPM.txt )
1024205;1424316403;ben_vulpes;this is the one small win in my life
1024206;1424316410;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30200 @ 0.00041674 = 12.5855 BTC [-]
1024207;1424316427;ben_vulpes;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=17-02-2015#1022104
1024208;1424316427;assbot;Logged on 17-02-2015 06:15:04; ben_vulpes: 'fyiad' << worst part about living here is the misery endured to scrape food credits together
1024209;1424316441;ben_vulpes;i do, i am.
1024210;1424316446;ben_vulpes;some day i may yet escape.
1024211;1424316457;mircea_popescu;PeterL: and I hate the question "how much did your last job pay, and what do you expect to get paid"?  << "A lot of money, and I am open for an excellent offer."
1024212;1424316466;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: that's a hack?! lol
1024213;1424316495;ben_vulpes;best hole i've found yet.
1024214;1424316501;ben_vulpes;i'm not really working too hard at it, tbh.
1024215;1424316508;ben_vulpes;easier to drive incomes up than expenses down.
1024216;1424316516;ben_vulpes;hard lower bounds etc
1024217;1424316593;BingoBoingo;;; later tell PeterL : <mircea_popescu> PeterL: and I hate the question "how much did your last job pay, and what do you expect to get paid"?  << "A lot of money, and I am open for an excellent offer." << Sigma charges $336/gram for blow... get in on that shit.
1024218;1424316594;gribble;The operation succeeded.
1024219;1424316603;mircea_popescu;jurov: "any number of small independent problems can be solved by one complex interdependent solution" << basic retard motto. "solve everything throiug the group yo! socialism ftw!"
1024220;1424316634;BingoBoingo;<ben_vulpes> easier to drive incomes up than expenses down. << You would be surprised
1024221;1424316666;mircea_popescu;he's got a woman.
1024222;1424316678;ben_vulpes;and a dog.
1024223;1424316688;ben_vulpes;and you know...
1024224;1424316688;ben_vulpes;plans
1024225;1424316694;ben_vulpes;fuck this country.
1024226;1424316717;ben_vulpes;give it three years i won't be able to get the hypothetical children on a plane because the measles risk from unvaccinated retards is too high.
1024227;1424316776;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 57550 @ 0.0004181 = 24.0617 BTC [+]
1024228;1424316780;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: P(meeting with unvaccinated retard) * P(kid's vaccine failed to take)
1024229;1424316848;asciilifeform;well, unvaccinated infected retard
1024230;1424316880;ben_vulpes;factor for kids 1..i?
1024231;1424316905;ben_vulpes;i suppose loss cost goes down as a function of herd size
1024232;1424316975;ben_vulpes;risk of bad time = Σ Pr * Pvfi, i=1..n
1024233;1424316997;ben_vulpes;i've forgotten all of my probability mafs.
1024234;1424317068;decimation;ben_vulpes: yeah the high deductible/hsa hack is a good deal
1024235;1424317075;decimation;hsas are generally very good tax shelters
1024236;1424317085;ben_vulpes;i plan to burn the whole thing down this year.
1024237;1424317099;decimation;my company has 10k deductible, 6k hsa contribution, and 4k 'hra'
1024238;1424317107;decimation;was cheaper than 6k deductible
1024239;1424317126;ben_vulpes;!up thestringpuller
1024240;1424317134;ben_vulpes;bezzlenomics
1024241;1424317138;decimation;yeah
1024242;1424317140;ben_vulpes;i don't get it, nor do i want to.
1024243;1424317145;ben_vulpes;sound money when.
1024244;1424317165;decimation;'hsa' is the only tax free money you can withdraw before retirement
1024245;1424317171;*;danielpbarron is one of the unvaccinated retards
1024246;1424317174;decimation;as long as you have a 'health expense'
1024247;1424317180;hanbot;roth too.
1024248;1424317182;decimation;danielpbarron: because of autism?
1024249;1424317189;decimation;roth you can only withdraw contributions
1024250;1424317218;danielpbarron;because of the uncomfortably high chance of acute brain infection leading to permanent damage
1024251;1424317218;decimation;there are some who transfer traditional ira/401k to roth, and then withdraw the 'contributions' after 5 years
1024252;1424317224;ben_vulpes;i need that liquidity, yo.
1024253;1424317226;decimation;umm
1024254;1424317233;danielpbarron;and a general distrust of anything medicine in the USSA
1024255;1424317241;decimation;do you have a number for 'high chance'
1024256;1424317249;danielpbarron;1 in 10k or something
1024257;1424317297;decimation;when the salk vaccine came out, it gave 40k people polio
1024258;1424317303;decimation;and was still considered a miracle
1024259;1424317417;mike_c;hm, maybe the acute brain infection will improve your situation
1024260;1424317431;danielpbarron;i've got enough brain damage, thank you
1024261;1424317443;hanbot;!b 2
1024262;1424317445;assbot;Last 2 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/3A1HVNC.txt )
1024263;1424317563;BingoBoingo;Serious gambling talk though. Greater than 1:100 odds unvaccinated against measles kids are going to get brain damage. Encephalitis is a bitch.
1024264;1424317569;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31269 @ 0.0004172 = 13.0454 BTC [-] {2} 
1024265;1424317630;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14719 @ 0.00041563 = 6.1177 BTC [-]
1024266;1424317648;hanbot;oh get out.
1024267;1424317674;hanbot;where are the 11 billion encephalitis cases 1850-1950?
1024268;1424317752;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 76662 @ 0.00041489 = 31.8063 BTC [-] {3} 
1024269;1424317758;BingoBoingo;<ben_vulpes> fuck this country. << Pls tell me you have a Mosin
1024270;1424317827;hanbot;;;google measles party
1024271;1424317828;gribble;Marin mom lashes back at 'measles party' media furor - SFGate: <http://www.sfgate.com/bayarea/article/Marin-mom-lashes-out-at-measles-party-media-6078083.php>; Pox party - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pox_party>; Do Not Bring Your Kids To 'Measles Parties,' Doctors Warn: <http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2015/02/11/measles-parties-warning_n_6658232.html>
1024272;1424317836;trinque;BingoBoingo: I have; he can head this way when tshtf
1024273;1424317837;BingoBoingo;<hanbot> oh get out. << Chickenpox, fuck it. Measles, I'll take a 25% return on bitches knocked up
1024274;1424317910;BingoBoingo;<decimation> when the salk vaccine came out, it gave 40k people polio << k vs M situation
1024275;1424317996;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23400 @ 0.00042244 = 9.8851 BTC [+]
1024276;1424318043;danielpbarron;mass vaccination is like the systemd of medicine. >> http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-02-2015#1024081
1024277;1424318043;assbot;Logged on 18-02-2015 23:58:45; jurov: "any number of small independent problems can be solved by one complex interdependent solution"
1024278;1424318088;BingoBoingo;<danielpbarron> because of the uncomfortably high chance of acute brain infection leading to permanent damage << Why I don't get measles chickenpox comparisons "But they both itch"
1024279;1424318124;mircea_popescu;fwiw, measles vaccine is usually useful and effectual.
1024280;1424318148;mircea_popescu;it's bs like zona zooster and flu "vaccine" that ruin the otherwise reasonable shit for everyone.
1024281;1424318172;BingoBoingo;<mircea_popescu> it's bs like zona zooster and flu "vaccine" that ruin the otherwise reasonable shit for everyone. << That
1024282;1424318179;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3102 @ 0.00042244 = 1.3104 BTC [+]
1024283;1424318204;danielpbarron;fwiw i probably have all the vaccines you guys are harping about; my parents don't share my views in this regard
1024284;1424318205;mircea_popescu;now people won't get polio vaccine because "vaccines are bad". dumb shit like that.
1024285;1424318231;BingoBoingo;MMR great, live microwaved polio great. Herpes Zoster... prolly still getting Tony Larussa Shingles
1024286;1424318234;mircea_popescu;the other thing is, they give vaccines to 2 hour olds, which is also fucking dumb.
1024287;1424318249;mike_c;not most of them
1024288;1424318287;mike_c;which is one reason herd protection is important, which is why danielpbarron is trying to kill my children.
1024289;1424318296;BingoBoingo;!b 3
1024290;1424318296;assbot;Last 3 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/0EGDS93.txt )
1024291;1424318314;danielpbarron;i don't buy that at all; if your kid has the stupid thing then he should be safe
1024292;1424318338;BingoBoingo;My position in this is that unidentified proteins must be assumed evil.
1024293;1424318411;trinque;two generations out of a high child mortality rate and people think they're bulletproof
1024294;1424318420;BingoBoingo;http://qntra.net/2015/02/your-disk-controller-and-you/ << Prolly the best qntra so far. Imminently applicable to bio chamistry
1024295;1424318421;assbot;Your Disk Controller and You | Qntra.net ... ( http://bit.ly/1AQov6k )
1024296;1424318421;danielpbarron;i think a better solution is to hide sick people away, checking in on them every week and not letting them return to society until the illness is gone
1024297;1424318429;mike_c;the vaccine isn't 100%.  i'm not that crazy about it though.  i figure a few more outbreaks and this no-vaccince fad will go away quickly.
1024298;1424318445;mike_c;people will stop taking medical advice from jenny whats-her-name
1024299;1424318456;BingoBoingo;<danielpbarron> i think a better solution is to hide sick people away, checking in on them every week and not letting them return to society until the illness is gone << You forget water is one dirty bitch
1024300;1424318470;danielpbarron;hide them in the desert
1024301;1424318582;danielpbarron;"but i have a right to go shopping even when i'm contagious!"
1024302;1424318667;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35250 @ 0.00043375 = 15.2897 BTC [+]
1024303;1424318678;BingoBoingo;I have a right to kill all with fire
1024304;1424318701;BingoBoingo;Rights is exactly the wrong argument here
1024305;1424318720;asciilifeform;the funny part is that it is mostly the children of the less-poor (california, clustered around enclaves of mega-bezzle) who are dropping
1024306;1424318767;BingoBoingo;<asciilifeform> the funny part is that it is mostly the children of the less-poor (california, clustered around enclaves of mega-bezzle) who are dropping << This part, also vermont which threatens dpb directly
1024307;1424318771;danielpbarron;https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Leviticus+13&version=NKJV
1024308;1424318773;assbot;Leviticus 13 NKJV - The Law Concerning Leprosy - And the - Bible Gateway ... ( http://bit.ly/19zCCmd )
1024309;1424318812;mike_c;<+BingoBoingo> http://qntra.net/2015/02/your-disk-controller-and-you/ << Prolly the best qntra so far. << I agree.  awesome article asciilifeform.
1024310;1424318812;assbot;Your Disk Controller and You | Qntra.net ... ( http://bit.ly/19zCP8X )
1024311;1424318824;asciilifeform;glad somebody got something out of it
1024312;1424318838;asciilifeform;it was actually missing most of its intended 2nd half
1024313;1424318851;asciilifeform;because i simply got tired and started to fall asleep.
1024314;1424318853;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: Qntra is always open to 1st half rants from you
1024315;1424318874;decimation;http://www.wired.com/2015/02/tech-companies-and-vaccines/ << google and cisco day cares have less than 70% rate
1024316;1424318876;assbot;The Sickeningly Low Vaccination Rates at Silicon Valley Day Cares | WIRED ... ( http://bit.ly/19zDaIH )
1024317;1424318877;asciilifeform;wrote it specifically because BingoBoingo asked
1024318;1424318899;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: And the result is still unparalleled in the tech press
1024319;1424318943;asciilifeform;to go with the plague thread - it was meant to be a summary, of sorts, of the pathology;
1024320;1424318958;asciilifeform;but ended up being 'don't play with rotting corpses in the streets'
1024321;1424318959;decimation;I would bet that if you asked the parents of the non-vaccinated, they would say that they want to 'prevent autism'
1024322;1424318965;BingoBoingo;Pathology threads are generally best threads
1024323;1424319020;BingoBoingo;<decimation> I would bet that if you asked the parents of the non-vaccinated, they would say that they want to 'prevent autism' << For a period of time my parents thought they autism'd me with vaccines
1024324;1424319155;decimation;perhaps 'geek parents' having children at >35 has something to do with the autism rates
1024325;1424319218;BingoBoingo;Perhaps, also could be an overextension of labels
1024326;1424319250;decimation;yeah 'overdiagnosis' is probably a problem too
1024327;1424319335;BingoBoingo;I tend towards much of the "diagnosis" that begets pathology not being such at all
1024328;1424319382;decimation;well, as has been covered by tlp, there is much profit to be made in labeling pathologies
1024329;1424319403;BingoBoingo;Or labeling not-pathologies
1024330;1424319414;decimation;aye
1024331;1424319420;mike_c;;;later tell mircea_popescu you might as well put my name on the wot job.  looks like i'm doing it.
1024332;1424319420;gribble;The operation succeeded.
1024333;1424319466;decimation;if I were a psychiatrist I would be all about treating 'needy' suburbanites rather than being part of the urban internal security service
1024334;1424319468;mircea_popescu;mike_c aite.
1024335;1424319529;asciilifeform;decimation: even if napoleon wrote that 'every soldier's knapsack must contain a fieldmarshall's baton', not everyone can be fieldmarshal
1024336;1424319547;asciilifeform;someone - gets to be urban shrink
1024337;1424319556;mircea_popescu;mike_c done!
1024338;1424319586;mircea_popescu;decimation you gotta talk their language tho, which dirties the soul.
1024339;1424319588;decimation;asciilifeform: true.  it would pay for daily bread anyway
1024340;1424319589;BingoBoingo;I'm still jsut amazed by the difference between 8 yo scared of other people and labeled autistm-ish vs. HS lots of social connections constantly tired West nile and no one cares
1024341;1424319600;decimation;mircea_popescu: yeah it would be depressing either way
1024342;1424319643;decimation;there is a funny thing about 'professions'.  if you like to kill animals, being a vet is a great idea
1024343;1424319666;decimation;if you like hurting people, become a surgeon
1024344;1424319699;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform: you can't draw a circuit on a sheet of copper with nonconductive glue either... << don't oppress my genius! if you CUT the copper and the substrate is Conveniently Chosen (TM) it might work!
1024345;1424319706;mircea_popescu;who are you to say what drunken future brings!
1024346;1424319735;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: funnily: diametric, i think, might be making a pcb this way as we speak
1024347;1424319737;BingoBoingo;<mircea_popescu> who are you to say what drunken future brings! << I'll volunteer to take point on this
1024348;1424319740;asciilifeform;(milling away excess)
1024349;1424319748;mircea_popescu;aha
1024350;1424319755;asciilifeform;it is a fairly popular method for making small/simple pcb
1024351;1424319762;decimation;there are a few cnc machines marketed for this purpose
1024352;1424319767;asciilifeform;when you have a cnc mill but don't feel like screwing with photography
1024353;1424319777;decimation;although I would not want to breathe the copper/fiberglass fumes
1024354;1424319797;asciilifeform;decimation: milling's usually done in a specially-designated place regardless
1024355;1424319806;BingoBoingo;<decimation> although I would not want to breathe the copper/fiberglass fumes << Better than cold sea sponge farts
1024356;1424319811;decimation;hehe
1024357;1424319831;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform: 'if wish were horse' etc << if wish were whores they'd be hoarse for the horses ?
1024358;1424319844;asciilifeform;whores for the horses.
1024359;1424319847;decimation;re: milled pcb < I wonder if they would be a pain in the ass to solder
1024360;1424319856;asciilifeform;decimation: no solder mask
1024361;1424319861;decimation;nothing really beats 'solder mask' for that purpose
1024362;1424319868;asciilifeform;so, as i said, very simple through-hole boards
1024363;1424319872;decimation;yeah
1024364;1424319902;BingoBoingo;"Soldier Mask"
1024365;1424319911;*;asciilifeform when makes pcb at home, uses the ancestral method - like b&w photo
1024366;1424319929;decimation;that honestly seems easier than milling
1024367;1424319940;decimation;plus it really isn't all that toxic
1024368;1424319941;asciilifeform;when lacking a cnc mill, definitely easier...
1024369;1424319954;asciilifeform;variably toxic depending on your etchant
1024370;1424319970;decimation;I suspect it yields finer geometry too
1024371;1424319980;asciilifeform;now that is certain.
1024372;1424319995;mircea_popescu;the phone in toaster guy is clearly shopping on the wrong silkroad clone.
1024373;1424319996;asciilifeform;although some folks with uncommonly fine mills get similar result
1024374;1424320030;decimation;'uncommonly fine mill' would pay for much etchant
1024375;1424320044;asciilifeform;usually it's folks who own a mill anyway.
1024376;1424320106;decimation;I would be interested if you could feel a blank pcb and a pile of random parts into a machine, press the magic button, and pop out an assembled board
1024377;1424320113;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform: 'The backplanes contain 230 cards, approximately 10,148 diodes, 1409 transistors, 5615 resistors, and 1674 capacitors. Cards only used for interconnect were not counted.' << the important point is element miniaturization then vs now. at the time, 1k transistors > 100 lbs. today, 1k tranzistors < 1oz.
1024378;1424320126;mircea_popescu;this is important for many reasons, it has cascade effect : shorter paths, less heat etc etc.
1024379;1424320132;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: what transistor are you thinking of ?
1024380;1424320138;mircea_popescu;a pdp could probably be cloned today by hand in a finite timespan, fit in box.
1024381;1424320156;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform the 2 gram shits i had as a kid ?
1024382;1424320158;asciilifeform;if it's of the kind one can individually hold in a hand, they are quite the same
1024383;1424320165;asciilifeform;aha those
1024384;1424320166;mircea_popescu;no they're not!
1024385;1424320178;mircea_popescu;you kidding me, the thing had glass diodes.
1024386;1424320185;decimation;if you allow logic gate ic's you could reduce the transistor count
1024387;1424320202;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu is thinking of soviet-style metal 'tin can' transistor as being used in the pdp, and is correct
1024388;1424320203;mircea_popescu;but foir the sake of argument, made by hand from discrete semi parts.
1024389;1424320209;BingoBoingo;PDP could be cloned in 1990 on Classic Game Boy
1024390;1424320218;mircea_popescu;still they're 1k ligther today than in 1940
1024391;1424320221;mircea_popescu;1k times
1024392;1424320223;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: we were considering discrete transistors
1024393;1424320236;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: as in, 'non-integrated' circuit
1024394;1424320244;mircea_popescu;disintegrated circuit lol
1024395;1424320245;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: Indeed In am consiering diving boarda
1024396;1424320249;BingoBoingo;*boards
1024397;1424320257;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: one can get bare-die transistors
1024398;1424320262;asciilifeform;is probably what one would use.
1024399;1424320266;mircea_popescu;probably.
1024400;1424320293;mircea_popescu;just sayin, you know ? could prolly be made in a box, if one felt like placing 100k items by hand. if he works 8 hours a day at this, it won't take 10 years.
1024401;1424320312;asciilifeform;place the dies, obviously, robotically
1024402;1424320330;BingoBoingo;File this in reasons I did not make a nubrub for my OBSD bitcoin-qt build
1024403;1424320338;asciilifeform;(helps if there's some redundancy)
1024404;1424320339;mircea_popescu;well die transistors autoplaced is prolly about on par with making yourself a 3d gun that works.
1024405;1424320368;BingoBoingo;<mircea_popescu> well die transistors autoplaced is prolly about on par with making yourself a 3d gun that works. << Mosin, never lost to itself
1024406;1424320408;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: arbitrarily fine placement is mainly a question of the guidance optics
1024407;1424320422;mircea_popescu;or how many chinese girls one has.
1024408;1424320427;asciilifeform;the mechanicals can be driven with astonishingly small steps, as is
1024409;1424320429;mircea_popescu;but principally optics.
1024410;1424320452;asciilifeform;folks routinely carry out 'surgeries' on single cells
1024411;1424320464;asciilifeform;the equipment involved is scarcely even electric
1024412;1424320472;asciilifeform;(led light, mainly)
1024413;1424320493;decimation;asciilifeform: are you imagining a little array of naked die transistors, being bonded by a robot?
1024414;1424320498;asciilifeform;and who has not heard of craftsmen 'horseshoeing the flea' etc
1024415;1424320508;asciilifeform;decimation: i imagined it years ago
1024416;1424320524;asciilifeform;but turns out other folks like to imagine it too
1024417;1424320590;asciilifeform;if using products of existing industry, i'd use something like a 'GAL' (on bare die also)
1024418;1424320593;asciilifeform;rather than naked transistor
1024419;1424320603;decimation;it's kind like the 'punch-out' fpga we were discussing
1024420;1424320607;asciilifeform;too small, gatewise, for enemy to meaningfully diddle
1024421;1424320611;asciilifeform;or to conceal specs of
1024422;1424320623;asciilifeform;but considerable step over transistor
1024423;1424320629;BingoBoingo;alf finds this a mystery wonder why library school sucks
1024424;1424320662;BingoBoingo;Short answer all the DB's are fucked
1024425;1424320663;asciilifeform;but if 'playing fairly' and using the kind of semiconductors one could hope to produce in jungle workshop, you won't have identically-specced tileable bare dies either...
1024426;1424320694;BingoBoingo;<asciilifeform> but if 'playing fairly' and using the kind of semiconductors one could hope to produce in jungle workshop, you won't have identically-specced tileable bare dies either... << One would rip and sell Gameboy and TI-86 ROMs
1024427;1424320699;decimation;no, but if you could buy your dies at costco, the enemy would have trouble diddling
1024428;1424320764;asciilifeform;decimation: a diddled die of 100 gates in a tiled matrix will do what, exactly ?
1024429;1424320768;asciilifeform;fail when moon is full ?
1024430;1424320787;decimation;heh yeah that's my point
1024431;1424320791;asciilifeform;it cannot know where in the circuit it will be placed
1024432;1424320800;mircea_popescu;^
1024433;1424320802;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4300 @ 0.00044149 = 1.8984 BTC [+]
1024434;1424320822;mircea_popescu;this is a very importanrt point, alf made for qntra but generally gets neglected. "diddling" is a VERY assumptive operation.
1024435;1424320831;mircea_popescu;sister to "jamming AN antenna"
1024436;1424320838;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: i sat down originally to write the piece specifically about that
1024437;1424320844;mircea_popescu;aha.
1024438;1424320847;asciilifeform;but somehow didn't
1024439;1424320855;decimation;jamming AN antenna?
1024440;1424320863;mircea_popescu;i say it, you say it, five people grok it and everyone else just whooosh.
1024441;1424320870;mircea_popescu;decimation generally, as opposed to a speciffic one.
1024442;1424320875;decimation;ah I see
1024443;1424320894;asciilifeform;the ancient ru proverb re: 'for every sly arse, there's a threaded cock' is the relevant one
1024444;1424320896;decimation;yes, the problem of 'jamming' arbitrary comms (unknown to the designer) is quite difficult
1024445;1424320903;asciilifeform;the cock thread - has to match
1024446;1424320907;mircea_popescu;and so is the problem of "diddling" in the general case.
1024447;1424320972;asciilifeform;the thread-will-meet-the-arse-correctly-but-without-foreknowledge is called 'intelligence' and folks call any solution that calls for it 'ai-complete'
1024448;1424320986;asciilifeform;which is possibly the only verdict more dire than 'np-complete'
1024449;1424321044;asciilifeform;when you are discussing a particular bullet fired by the enemy, rather than enemy per se, you may safely assume that it is not intelligent, and thus is the cock of particular rather than universal thread.
1024450;1424321046;asciilifeform;that's roughly it.
1024451;1424321061;mircea_popescu;"The results were overwhelming: 88 percent of women reported having experienced at least one incident in which their friendliness was misinterpreted as sexual interest by a man, and on average it had occurred about 3.5 times in the last year alone. Men also reported experiencing sexual misperception, but the rate � 70.6 percent � was far lower. These rates were pretty similar to what was found in the original, U.S.
1024452;1424321061;mircea_popescu;-based study, which found that around 90 percent of women reported that their friendliness had been misperceived at least once in their lifetimes, on average 2.7 times in the last year, with about 70 percent of men reporting having experienced this."
1024453;1424321064;mircea_popescu;overwhelming my foot.
1024454;1424321099;mircea_popescu;a) the difference is not even significantly above statistical noise ; b) significant fudge, such as, "women are more likely to self-flatter themselves this particular way" not accounted for in ANY manner.
1024455;1424321114;mircea_popescu;how about asking men and women about how many cases they themselves witnessed involving OTHER people ?
1024456;1424321127;mircea_popescu;but no, why make a study that makes sense but doesn't support our chosen policy nonsense.
1024457;1424321135;decimation;that would be hard, and besides men are bad
1024458;1424321149;mircea_popescu;hard my foot, ask the same people a useful question instead of a dumb one.
1024459;1424321199;mircea_popescu;Sofia Lyons / nymag are dumb.
1024460;1424321210;mircea_popescu;Mons Bendixen as well.
1024461;1424321229;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6400 @ 0.00044149 = 2.8255 BTC [+]
1024462;1424321233;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: related dan mocsny - http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=VKvDDSaH
1024463;1424321234;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1AIztfF )
1024464;1424321284;asciilifeform;(related how? in context - missing from archive - of that thread, he theorized that the behaviour spoken of therein was due to the 'misinterpreted' thing mentioned here)
1024465;1424321327;mircea_popescu;"When a man sees another man he doesn�t know, there isn�t usually that studied indifference. If you look at the guy, he�ll look at you back, and it�s obvious from his body language that he knows you exist and you could talk to him if you wanted to."
1024466;1424321335;mircea_popescu;my experience is exactly contrary to this, ftr.
1024467;1424321349;mircea_popescu;women do what he claims men do, and vice-versa.
1024468;1424321353;asciilifeform;might depend on where
1024469;1424321367;mircea_popescu;"Obvious things like sports always work." fuck me sideways. i never did that yet.
1024470;1424321392;*;asciilifeform lives where people behave roughly like mocsny described
1024471;1424321404;mircea_popescu;odd.
1024472;1424321412;mircea_popescu;because i lived around where you live.
1024473;1424321416;decimation;yeah that's my experience too
1024474;1424321463;mircea_popescu;"Go to a gym, for example, and see how few of the dozens of men and women there are actually talking to each other." who the fuck wants to talk to some guy in a gym wtf.
1024475;1424321468;mircea_popescu;go to the sauna.
1024476;1424321567;mircea_popescu;anyway, mocsiny should move to argentina. these derps have no fucking problem striking conversations with complete strangers that take any length of time in spite of not having any content.
1024477;1424321588;asciilifeform;female derps?!
1024478;1424321595;mircea_popescu;middle of the street ? fine. clerk and person in supermarket queue ? fine. fucking policeman will stop mid arrest and chat with the victim for half an hour.
1024479;1424321599;mircea_popescu;gender indiscriminate.
1024480;1424321624;asciilifeform;l0l
1024481;1424321630;*;asciilifeform must see this
1024482;1424321654;mircea_popescu;bus driver with person that just got on, that they never met before ? fuck traffic, they're only doing 60 mph in the middle of town in a sardine box.
1024483;1424321658;mircea_popescu;what's that!
1024484;1424321730;decimation;heh "People who enjoy going to stadiums and cheering on their sports heroes are feeding the monster which torments their genetically disadvantaged offspring." < so true
1024485;1424322510;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 115822 @ 0.00044492 = 51.5315 BTC [+] {4} 
1024486;1424322534;BingoBoingo;* asciilifeform lives where people behave roughly like mocsny described << You are double fucked. Negro and the turdmaster...
1024487;1424322548;BingoBoingo;RGIII has not been kind
1024488;1424322570;*;asciilifeform puzzled by this reference
1024489;1424322571;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24700 @ 0.00044942 = 11.1007 BTC [+]
1024490;1424322603;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: RGIII is the strong plowhand carrying you local foosball
1024491;1424322671;BingoBoingo;RGIII was indeed the physical equivalent of a -CURRENT branch until... his knees
1024492;1424322693;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26650 @ 0.00045029 = 12.0002 BTC [+]
1024493;1424322815;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13356 @ 0.00044149 = 5.8965 BTC [-]
1024494;1424322967;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: aha - i was referring to the earlier mocsny quote
1024495;1424322976;asciilifeform;rather than the thing about sportsmen
1024496;1424323010;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: But the root of their surivival is determined by the same fat men
1024497;1424323182;BingoBoingo;I merely hypothesize RGIII as inpet enough to miss mocsony's men definitiomn
1024498;1424323399;decimation;http://herocomplex.latimes.com/movies/alien-neill-blomkamp-set-for-new-film-in-iconic-sci-fi-franchise/ < lol.  maybe the Aliens will be derpy rhodesians who crowd around in slums
1024499;1424323400;assbot;‘Alien': Neill Blomkamp set for new film in iconic sci-fi franchise | Hero Complex – movies, comics, pop culture – Los Angeles Times ... ( http://bit.ly/1EUo0XY )
1024500;1424323638;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: Still when I look at teams to be on for the next year I consider the players they own paramount.
1024501;1424323662;BingoBoingo;Washington tend to fuck this step up royally
1024502;1424324035;decimation;asciilifeform: http://www.hanssummers.com/ocxokit.html << you can build your own ovenized reference clock in an oven for $15!
1024503;1424324038;assbot;OCXO/Si5351A Synthesizer ... ( http://bit.ly/1EUqMMO )
1024504;1424324072;decimation;the guy's solution was pretty clever - build an oven out of fr4!
1024505;1424324401;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 36244 @ 0.00043277 = 15.6853 BTC [-] {2} 
1024506;1424325255;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35600 @ 0.00041841 = 14.8954 BTC [-]
1024507;1424325316;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30300 @ 0.00041684 = 12.6303 BTC [-]
1024508;1424325377;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 56950 @ 0.0004175 = 23.7766 BTC [+] {2} 
1024509;1424325406;decimation;http://stampd.io/ << someone made a silly-con valley-ized deedbot
1024510;1424325407;assbot;A Document Blockchain Stamping Service | stampd.io ... ( http://bit.ly/1E8hmzf )
1024511;1424325682;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23000 @ 0.00041467 = 9.5374 BTC [-] {2} 
1024512;1424326231;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33550 @ 0.00041385 = 13.8847 BTC [-] {3} 
1024513;1424326963;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 82200 @ 0.00041297 = 33.9461 BTC [-]
1024514;1424328854;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8734 @ 0.00041841 = 3.6544 BTC [+]
1024515;1424329464;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4779 @ 0.00041841 = 1.9996 BTC [+]
1024516;1424329769;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 44100 @ 0.00041297 = 18.212 BTC [-]
1024517;1424330867;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10400 @ 0.00041841 = 4.3515 BTC [+]
1024518;1424331050;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 52050 @ 0.00041841 = 21.7782 BTC [+]
1024519;1424331363;punkman;http://thenextweb.com/insider/2015/02/19/lenovo-caught-installing-adware-new-computers/
1024520;1424331364;assbot;Lenovo Caught Installing Adware On New Computers ... ( http://bit.ly/1AnwxC1 )
1024521;1424331427;mircea_popescu;i wonder how much money that nets them
1024522;1424331438;punkman;can be lucrative
1024523;1424331461;punkman;there's a lot of malware that just replaces ads on google/facebook/etc
1024524;1424331477;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 20 @ 0.09005499 = 1.8011 BTC [-] {4} 
1024525;1424331481;punkman;users generally don't notice it
1024526;1424331549;punkman;although I don't see how it's worth Lenovo's time
1024527;1424331565;mircea_popescu;so if they sold 1mn computers and 1bn ads got replaced somehow that's worth... umm... 50 bux ?
1024528;1424331660;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 53545 @ 0.00041291 = 22.1093 BTC [-] {2} 
1024529;1424331733;punkman;I knew a guy that had a couple browser toolbars/plugins that replaced ads. He made $500-1000 per day for quite a while.
1024530;1424331763;mircea_popescu;in 2003 ?
1024531;1424331784;punkman;more like 2010
1024532;1424331805;mircea_popescu;moar power to him.
1024533;1424332449;punkman;open source dildo https://www.comingle.io/
1024534;1424332452;assbot;Comingle | Your source for do-it-yourself and open source sex technology ... ( http://bit.ly/1E8uYKZ )
1024535;1424332500;punkman;this might be fun "Comingle.io’s Firaz Peer and  Andrew Quitmeyer are developing the prototype for the Electric Eel, a  condom that has conductive leads embedded in it for small jolts of  stimulation"
1024536;1424332636;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8343 @ 0.00041841 = 3.4908 BTC [+]
1024537;1424333834;cazalla;bringing in the bins and what do i see? another scary australian spider staring at me http://i.imgur.com/LUZC73X.jpg
1024538;1424333835;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1E8y3e3 )
1024539;1424333863;cazalla;this one, st andrews cross spider is pretty common and harmless too
1024540;1424333897;kakobrekla;http://thenextweb.com/insider/2015/02/19/lenovo-caught-installing-adware-new-computers/
1024541;1424333898;assbot;Lenovo Caught Installing Adware On New Computers ... ( http://bit.ly/1E8y8P1 )
1024542;1424334001;punkman;cazalla: ooh pretty
1024543;1424335137;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 43600 @ 0.00042955 = 18.7284 BTC [+]
1024544;1424335747;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23000 @ 0.00044943 = 10.3369 BTC [+]
1024545;1424336685;cazalla;<punkman> I knew a guy that had a couple browser toolbars/plugins that replaced ads. He made $500-1000 per day for quite a while. <<< i use to get something like $1 per install from pinball publisher
1024546;1424337028;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19207 @ 0.00042955 = 8.2504 BTC [-]
1024547;1424337205;punkman;cazalla, the pay-per-install stuff always seemed like a bad deal to me, did it work for you?
1024548;1424337249;cazalla;no amount which was brag worthy
1024549;1424337411;cazalla;ppi was only good for sites for which it was a bit of a grey area to use adsense
1024550;1424337429;cazalla;in my experience anyway, i don't doubt that some guys killed with it
1024551;1424337601;punkman;http://edition.cnn.com/2013/08/15/business/parmesan-cheese-bank-mpe/
1024552;1424337603;assbot;Italian bank's piles of edible gold  - CNN.com ... ( http://bit.ly/1DE9YLF )
1024553;1424337867;punkman;a look inside a parmesan vault https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9BZEy6dSY6Q
1024554;1424337868;assbot;How Parmesan Cheese Is Made - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1CLShrZ )
1024555;1424338248;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 60008 @ 0.00041289 = 24.7767 BTC [-]
1024556;1424339163;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 278 @ 0.00532304 = 1.4798 BTC [+] {14} 
1024557;1424339286;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 185 @ 0.00542468 = 1.0036 BTC [-] {2} 
1024558;1424339529;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 50300 @ 0.00041289 = 20.7684 BTC [-]
1024559;1424340810;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33400 @ 0.00042312 = 14.1322 BTC [+]
1024560;1424343052;jurov;lol good discussion started from the z80. now, what if we start with piece of germanium/galena/carborundum/whatever
1024561;1424343081;jurov;and use cnc machine with spool of thin wire to make IC out of it with point-contact transistor?
1024562;1424343086;jurov;*transistors
1024563;1424343113;jurov;unlike silicon it isn't so sensitive to impurities
1024564;1424343825;jurov;if it's possible to place 4 such transistors on mm2 then z80 would fit into 20cm2
1024565;1424345600;jurov;!up brendafdez
1024566;1424345660;brendafdez;Could summer morning here in buenos aires today
1024567;1424345718;brendafdez;I'll be seeing a journalist from the NYT today, I was thinking of telling him about b-a
1024568;1424345741;brendafdez;it's the second time he's in Argentina interviewing the people he *thinks matter in bitcoin here
1024569;1424345858;BingoBoingo;<mircea_popescu> i wonder how much money that nets them << You probably missed this because winblows free, but for the longest time it was impossible to get computer with winblows that did not have factory installed malware. Popular advice of the time was "reinstall winblows onto new computer"
1024570;1424346071;BingoBoingo;<brendafdez> it's the second time he's in Argentina interviewing the people he *thinks matter in bitcoin here << Thet tend to suck at identifying that, but it could just as much be the orders they recieve from their political commisar
1024571;1424346138;BingoBoingo;<jurov> and use cnc machine with spool of thin wire to make IC out of it with point-contact transistor? << Now that I'm more sober laser etching saphire to flow a conductor over doesn'r sound so bad.
1024572;1424346452;brendafdez;I didn't ask him what move him. He's very interested in 'seeing the black market in action'. They see it in an amusing light, as if that's a bad thing or something, like going around the city with stacks of cash. And that's actually the closest it gets to bitcoin in fiat.
1024573;1424346612;brendafdez;Last time was also Pete from Coindesk, he interviewed all the poeple claiming to run 'exchanges' here. There are a huge numer of such 'exchanges', most of which don't even exist like coinmelon (refered to by mp as coinmuon bc of the sign at the doorbell). Then there's Latincoin, which is also there athe 'embassy' and also doesn't even exist and is only piching to 'investors' to get money with no product. Last time they were asking for $7
1024574;1424346620;BingoBoingo;brendafdez: Ah, so he was ordered by his poltical officer to slander Argentina's image
1024575;1424346686;BingoBoingo;brendafdez: You have to understand that today's NYtimes is more soviet than pravda could ever have hoped to be
1024576;1424347029;brendafdez;Having the adware preinstalled sort of spares the user the time and ensures they get a consistent experience with a box compromised from the get go. It's an integral part of the user experience, they wouldn't feel right without the bloat and the ads.
1024577;1424347135;BingoBoingo;brendafdez: Sony actually used to have an option (extra $50 US or so) to not have factory adware on your computer when they ship it
1024578;1424347145;brendafdez;:D
1024579;1424347155;brendafdez;amazon still has it in their kindles
1024580;1424347168;brendafdez;'Special Offers'
1024581;1424347231;BingoBoingo;When I encounter this it was mostly "Wild Tangent"
1024582;1424347348;brendafdez;;;google what is wild tangent
1024583;1424347349;gribble;PC Hell: How to Remove WildTangent: <http://www.pchell.com/support/wildtangent.shtml>; WildTangent - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WildTangent>; Spyware or Slyware? | PCMag.com: <http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,1601598,00.asp>
1024584;1424347398;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6500 @ 0.00041957 = 2.7272 BTC [-]
1024585;1424347462;BingoBoingo;This superfish thing lenovois installing though now, looks like a different, worse beast.
1024586;1424347465;BingoBoingo;!up brendafdez
1024587;1424347486;brendafdez;it's like bitcoin 2.0?
1024588;1424347495;brendafdez;wildtangent 2.0 same but worse
1024589;1424347512;BingoBoingo;Nah, it is what it is. Natural hazard of the Windows ecosystem.
1024590;1424347519;brendafdez;Well, if I ever get into the adware business I'll package it as a 'miner' and sponsor bitcoin conferences, no doubt
1024591;1424347520;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 45950 @ 0.00041286 = 18.9709 BTC [-] {2} 
1024592;1424347526;chetty;brendafdez, just point the guy to MP article, save everyone a lot of time (after you get your free lunch of course)
1024593;1424347543;brendafdez;:)
1024594;1424347621;BingoBoingo;brendafdez: Point them to this one in particular maybe? http://trilema.com/2014/interacting-with-fiat-institutions-a-guide/
1024595;1424347621;assbot;Interacting with fiat institutions, a guide pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.  ... ( http://bit.ly/1zpSMoa )
1024596;1424347643;brendafdez;that one was epic
1024597;1424347681;BingoBoingo;It was indeed. That approach helped S.Dice Erik tremendously when the SEC knocked his door
1024598;1424347717;chetty;lmao, I get a whole new set of smiles everytime someone links that one :D
1024599;1424347787;BingoBoingo;brendafdez: It will probably ingratiate you to no end with the NYtimes people if you point out that noone in Argentina seems as dangerous as that NYPD street gang
1024600;1424347838;brendafdez;Erik <3
1024601;1424347874;chetty;well dead prosecutors are a bit of a deterent
1024602;1424347898;BingoBoingo;!b 8
1024603;1424347898;assbot;Last 8 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/0HHMHNH.txt )
1024604;1424348005;BingoBoingo;brendafdez: I will be very grateful if you get them to mention the great multinational journalism venture qntra which is eating their lunch on the Bitcoin subject, and they follow through by mentioning it in their piece.
1024605;1424348008;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5200 @ 0.00041984 = 2.1832 BTC [+]
1024606;1424348062;brendafdez;they won't mention it as anything other than a website from 1993, it's above their head, they only realize it when it's too late. They wouldn't take me srlsly if i show them that xD
1024607;1424348069;chetty;now that would indeed be a super cool event, I'll buy the lunch if you pull that off
1024608;1424348103;BingoBoingo;brendafdez: Of course they would take you most seriously if you mention it. Their political officer is definitely aware of qntra.
1024609;1424348130;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9200 @ 0.00042085 = 3.8718 BTC [+]
1024610;1424348148;brendafdez;we're meeting now in an hour at a local 'Subway' and then they are coming with me seeing how people buy and sell bitcoins for stacks of cash, which always amuses them, they love seeing the 'stakcks of cash', which is not uncommon here with the largest denomination bill being 8 USD
1024611;1424348182;BingoBoingo;Ah
1024612;1424348285;brendafdez;they love anything that can be portrayed in a bad light as the shady things that happen in this third world country. Like using bitcoin to avoid selling the usd to the government and then selling the bitcoins in the street
1024613;1424348289;BingoBoingo;Sounds a lot like how they covered the rebellion in North St Louis
1024614;1424348339;chetty;third world eh?
1024615;1424348363;BingoBoingo;You just have to remember that New York has become more third world than even Nuevo Laredo. They don't even has cash in New York anymore.
1024616;1424348375;brendafdez;and they are convince the "president of the Argentine Bitcoin Foundation" really matters. It's amusing that said foundation doesn't even exist. But I get asked all the time if i'm part of it, they take me more seriously when I say yes xD
1024617;1424348394;chetty;lmao
1024618;1424348405;BingoBoingo;brendafdez: Just say you are liking the shadow foundation more lately
1024619;1424348407;brendafdez;if I say not at all, it's like I didn0t make it in their eyes, im missing out on being part of the foundation
1024620;1424348435;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15011 @ 0.0004126 = 6.1935 BTC [-] {2} 
1024621;1424348435;chetty;join the real one :P
1024622;1424348446;brendafdez;hah, I linked to the shadow foundation on a mailing list and a facebook group recently, but it falls on deaf ears
1024623;1424348638;BingoBoingo;In other news today Pitchers and Catchers report to Spring Training. Baseball season is almost upon us.
1024624;1424348863;chetty;Spring Training was a big deal when I was growing up, it amounted to free major league games :)
1024625;1424348939;BingoBoingo;One day I wanted to take the hajj to Florida to watch the spring training games. At the moment though it is a reminder it will eventually stop being balls cold.
1024626;1424349045;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 36800 @ 0.00041192 = 15.1587 BTC [-] {3} 
1024627;1424349184;chetty;too bad I can't share some of our summer heat, but actually this morning its very cool and pleasant
1024628;1424349291;BingoBoingo;It's under 0 degrees F here atm. Two weeks ago the high was over 60 degrees F.
1024629;1424349298;BingoBoingo;!up brendafdez
1024630;1424349321;BingoBoingo;Weather here in the Middle West is nothing if not inconsistent
1024631;1424349941;BingoBoingo;!up wao
1024632;1424350000;BingoBoingo;Also looking forward to the buyer's remorse this next US election cycle when everyone gets to see that of the two Bush brothers the dumber, less capable one actually was President for 8 years.
1024633;1424350152;wao;nah irc.
1024634;1424350157;wao;dat protocol.
1024635;1424350162;wao;Hi!
1024636;1424350231;BingoBoingo;O hai
1024637;1424352059;danielpbarron;height=204520 vs height=185164
1024638;1424352461;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28150 @ 0.00041141 = 11.5812 BTC [-] {2} 
1024639;1424354108;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11658 @ 0.00041232 = 4.8068 BTC [+]
1024640;1424354128;BingoBoingo;http://qntra.net/2015/02/cointelegraph-ccn-and-newsbtc-advertising-yet-another-scam/
1024641;1424354129;assbot;CoinTelegraph: CCN and NewsBTC Advertising Yet Another Scam | Qntra.net ... ( http://bit.ly/19BZhyf )
1024642;1424356182;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30850 @ 0.00042085 = 12.9832 BTC [+]
1024643;1424356195;lobbes;BingoBoingo: Weather here in the Middle West is nothing if not inconsistent << whereabouts are you? Ohio-bound over here.
1024644;1424356218;BingoBoingo;lobbes: A bit wester and still further middle
1024645;1424356241;*;lobbes nods
1024646;1424356322;*;lobbes is orgiginally from MA. Was amused by the abundance of Jesus billboards and anti-abortion propaganda littering the sides of roads
1024647;1424357646;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23972 @ 0.00042258 = 10.1301 BTC [+] {2} 
1024648;1424358073;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14900 @ 0.00042359 = 6.3115 BTC [+] {2} 
1024649;1424358256;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17284 @ 0.00042411 = 7.3303 BTC [+]
1024650;1424358317;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16716 @ 0.00042571 = 7.1162 BTC [+]
1024651;1424359232;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 37050 @ 0.00041352 = 15.3209 BTC [-] {2} 
1024652;1424360452;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 32400 @ 0.00042008 = 13.6106 BTC [+]
1024653;1424361953;mike_c;anybody ever use https://www.eurodns.com?  i'm trying to get some obscure country domain names.
1024654;1424361954;assbot;Register international domain names - Registration in 600+ extensions | EuroDNS ... ( http://bit.ly/1LeOXrF )
1024655;1424362533;mike_c;decimation:http://stampd.io/ << someone made a silly-con valley-ized deedbot << yeah, and you have to pay for it with.. paypal!
1024656;1424362587;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16185 @ 0.00042571 = 6.8901 BTC [+]
1024657;1424362953;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16500 @ 0.00042418 = 6.999 BTC [-]
1024658;1424363014;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25300 @ 0.00041657 = 10.5392 BTC [-] {2} 
1024659;1424363380;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 56267 @ 0.00041131 = 23.1432 BTC [-]
1024660;1424363543;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: Looks like you induced some measure of a traffic spike. https://www.quantcast.com/qntra.net New links to your likbez keep emerging.
1024661;1424363544;assbot;                  Qntra.net Traffic and Demographic Statistics by Quantcast                   ... ( http://bit.ly/1LeTElh )
1024662;1424363685;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 51900 @ 0.00041119 = 21.3408 BTC [-] {2} 
1024663;1424363692;pete_dushenski;speaking of asciilifeform's piece, is it fair to assume that other unix-likes include debian and osx ? what of gentoo ?
1024664;1424363853;danielpbarron;i like gentoo; very customizable and doesn't require systemd
1024665;1424363871;BingoBoingo;Gentoo depends entirely on how you decide to build and use it.
1024666;1424363884;BingoBoingo;And upon what
1024667;1424363899;pete_dushenski;danielpbarron: i figured you were into gentoo based on your pogo guide ;)
1024668;1424364107;danielpbarron;i also like OpenBSD
1024669;1424364238;pete_dushenski;do you run them both atm ?
1024670;1424364262;thestringpuller;BingoBoingo: where did that traffic come from?
1024671;1424364298;BingoBoingo;thestringpuller: It seems a variety of places. It isn't the biggest spike, but it definitely is one.
1024672;1424364334;thestringpuller;interesting. an "organic" spike.
1024673;1424364343;danielpbarron;pete_dushenski, ya
1024674;1424364372;danielpbarron;i've got gentoo on my laptop and OpenBSD on my webserver/fullnode/irc client machine
1024675;1424364396;pete_dushenski;a neato
1024676;1424364401;*;BingoBoingo is rather happy with OpenBSD's handling of laptop
1024677;1424364469;*;pete_dushenski still has yet to play with much other than debian on vps for node
1024678;1424364483;thestringpuller;nothing wrong with debian
1024679;1424364498;thestringpuller;yet...
1024680;1424364507;pete_dushenski;tick, tock..
1024681;1424364581;BingoBoingo;;;google debian rng 2006
1024682;1424364582;gribble;Schneier on Security: Random Number Bug in Debian Linux: <https://www.schneier.com/blog/archives/2008/05/random_number_b.html>; Random number generator attack - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Random_number_generator_attack>; The Debian OpenSSL Bug: Backdoor or Security Accident?: <https://freedom-to-tinker.com/blog/kroll/software-transparency- (1 more message)
1024683;1424364645;pete_dushenski;also looks like debian is getting forked into systemd-less "devuan" sometime this year
1024684;1424364687;pete_dushenski;https://devuan.org/
1024685;1424364688;assbot;Devuan - the GNU/Linux by Veteran Unix Admins. ... ( http://bit.ly/1LeWW85 )
1024686;1424364711;pete_dushenski;^they accept btc donations :)
1024687;1424364748;BingoBoingo;I'm concerned by the lack of names
1024688;1424364839;pete_dushenski;fair enough
1024689;1424364853;pete_dushenski;speaking of names, has anyone read any of schneier's books ?
1024690;1424364880;jurov;mike_c: obscure european TLDs usually require proof of residence in that country, or at least in EU
1024691;1424364882;pete_dushenski;wondering when he "went mole" so i can spare myself reading anything thereafter
1024692;1424364923;danielpbarron;pete_dushenski, you haven't seen this? -> http://trilema.com/2013/why-i-suspect-schneier-is-an-us-agent/
1024693;1424364924;assbot;Why I suspect Schneier is an US agent. pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.  ... ( http://bit.ly/1LeXsCY )
1024694;1424364927;mike_c;jurov: yeah, the ones i am looking at don't require that.  eurodns is offering them for sale, I have just never heard of them.
1024695;1424364951;pete_dushenski;jurov: if the cc fraudsters who pwned maison de btc are any indication, i'm sure mike_c can jump that hurdle
1024696;1424364978;pete_dushenski;danielpbarron: naturally :)
1024697;1424364987;pete_dushenski;i just couldn't recall if there was a line in the sand
1024698;1424364992;danielpbarron;ah, "when" not "if" whoops
1024699;1424365009;pete_dushenski;yup
1024700;1424365874;danielpbarron;!up NewLiberty
1024701;1424365938;NewLiberty;Did you know that Schneier lost his executive position because of praise he gave Snowden?
1024702;1424365956;danielpbarron;!v assbot:danielpbarron.rate.NewLiberty.-1:1baac9e3ec8f3924ea75f9ae8c12259510087b5f9b8510fd26aa283eb8b62bdf
1024703;1424365956;assbot;Successfully added a rating of -1 for NewLiberty with note: He think's a hard-fork is, and I quote: acceptable for expediency's sake.
1024704;1424366007;NewLiberty;lol
1024705;1424366040;danielpbarron;in your defense, you said you don't like gavin's proposal
1024706;1424366053;NewLiberty;I use bitcoin in commerce, and yes, would rather not have to outbid folks to get my transaction in
1024707;1424366070;pete_dushenski;;;later tell asciilifeform could you recommend a book that would serve as an 'amateur's intro to digital security' ?
1024708;1424366071;gribble;The operation succeeded.
1024709;1424366075;NewLiberty;Yes, Gavin's proposal is bad, I've been complaining about it for months
1024710;1424366097;pete_dushenski;wondering if ross j anderson is in the right direction...
1024711;1424366137;danielpbarron;https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=122404;sa=showPosts  << NewLiberty's forum posts for those not familiar with this fellow
1024712;1424366137;assbot;Latest posts of:  NewLiberty ... ( http://bit.ly/1Lf0eYI )
1024713;1424366202;BingoBoingo;http://qntra.net/2015/02/windows-ecosystem-security-still-horrifying/
1024714;1424366203;assbot;Windows Ecosystem Security Still Horrifying | Qntra.net ... ( http://bit.ly/1Lf0qY6 )
1024715;1424366212;NewLiberty;https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=815712.msg9182952#msg9182952
1024716;1424366213;assbot;Increasing the block size is a good idea; 50%/year is probably too aggressive ... ( http://bit.ly/1Lf0uXV )
1024717;1424366247;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19597 @ 0.00041082 = 8.0508 BTC [-] {2} 
1024718;1424366263;NewLiberty;"If this forks as currently proposed, I'll be selling all my BTC on Gavin's fork and mining on the other.  I suspect I will not be the only one."
1024719;1424366288;danielpbarron;you and most people in here, i suspect
1024720;1424366303;pete_dushenski;NewLiberty: that's all well and good but you still need to justify any increase in block size
1024721;1424366308;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 42703 @ 0.0004098 = 17.4997 BTC [-] {2} 
1024722;1424366319;pete_dushenski;right now you're saying 'just the tip'
1024723;1424366322;NewLiberty;I am not advocating an increase in block size
1024724;1424366322;danielpbarron;yeah, and if you can currently afford fees, you should always be able to
1024725;1424366337;pete_dushenski;NewLiberty: o no ?
1024726;1424366341;NewLiberty;I am advocating that "chief scientists" at least be scientists and not engineers
1024727;1424366404;*;BingoBoingo amused that no one talking atm seems to realize how "old" NewLiberty is
1024728;1424366405;NewLiberty;The current proposal is a software engineering approach to a science problem
1024729;1424366412;pete_dushenski;how do you figure what they call themselves has any bearing on their function ?
1024730;1424366422;NewLiberty;It is not even protocol engineering
1024731;1424366424;danielpbarron;no, it's a USG approach to a non-problem
1024732;1424366434;pete_dushenski;gavin is no more a scientist than mr. dress-up
1024733;1424366464;NewLiberty;I give the benefit of the doubt, most don't control where they are born
1024734;1424366465;danielpbarron;the "problem" gavin is trying to solve is "bitcoin will kill the dollar"
1024735;1424366482;NewLiberty;He wants to be a chief scientist, I can help him understand what that entails
1024736;1424366499;NewLiberty;Did he say that?
1024737;1424366506;danielpbarron;he might as well
1024738;1424366531;NewLiberty;dollar =/= US
1024739;1424366539;NewLiberty;though some think so
1024740;1424366556;danielpbarron;s/dollar/FIAT/
1024741;1424366561;NewLiberty;BS
1024742;1424366572;NewLiberty;What is currently called "dollar" maybe
1024743;1424366589;NewLiberty;But the word is not what is commonly referred to as a dollar
1024744;1424366601;danielpbarron;what are you trying to say?
1024745;1424366619;NewLiberty;"bitcoin will kill the dollar"
1024746;1424366625;NewLiberty;It will kill it
1024747;1424366635;danielpbarron;dollar/fiat/socialism/totalitarianism
1024748;1424366653;NewLiberty;"dollar" is a specific measure of silver
1024749;1424366665;NewLiberty;USD is a wad of paper
1024750;1424366670;*;danielpbarron is losing patience
1024751;1424366673;pete_dushenski;mr. dressup reference: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K2w74cMUlL8
1024752;1424366674;assbot;Mr. Dressup Episode Pt. 1 1986 - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1BqFJIX )
1024753;1424366717;NewLiberty;XBT will kill USD regardless of what Gavin may or may not do
1024754;1424366739;danielpbarron;that is true, because gavin has nothing to do with bitcoin
1024755;1424366767;NewLiberty;USD will kill USD, even without XBT
1024756;1424366773;NewLiberty;Its self defeating
1024757;1424366790;NewLiberty;A made to fail ponzi
1024758;1424366795;danielpbarron;and stop trying to teach us new terms; we don't care that you prefer 'xbt' to 'btc' or that a dollar used to mean silver
1024759;1424366836;NewLiberty;I'm not here to teach, more to learn.
1024760;1424366874;danielpbarron;if you mean that, start here: http://www.contravex.com/2014/03/17/irc-yeshiva/
1024761;1424366876;assbot;IRC Yeshiva | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski ... ( http://bit.ly/1BqH5TS )
1024762;1424366907;NewLiberty;But having minted a fair share of silver, I have some opinions on the use of "dollar" as that paper drek
1024763;1424366949;danielpbarron;silver isn't money; anyone who says otherwise is likely scamming you
1024764;1424366970;NewLiberty;I've used it for money
1024765;1424366976;NewLiberty;and gold
1024766;1424366983;danielpbarron;i've used cannabis as money; doesn't make it not stupid
1024767;1424367000;NewLiberty;relatively it is stupid
1024768;1424367007;danielpbarron;it's practically the same thing
1024769;1424367105;NewLiberty;yes practicality is largely why is is stupid.
1024770;1424367147;BingoBoingo;cannabis and silver are largely the same thing monetarily, inflation a huge problem. Gold less so. Bitcoin far less so.
1024771;1424367177;thestringpuller;cannabis is perishable tho
1024772;1424367180;thestringpuller;hue hue
1024773;1424367189;NewLiberty;Silver also, gold isn't
1024774;1424367262;danielpbarron;in CT, cannabis is way more fungible than silver; just trade it before it goes bad :p
1024775;1424367304;NewLiberty;Or before it goes up in smoke
1024776;1424367310;thestringpuller;hue hue
1024777;1424367352;thestringpuller;CT also decriminalized cannabis
1024778;1424367367;thestringpuller;dunno how they are able to keep up with demand given...snow and stuff
1024779;1424367375;danielpbarron;yeah that's why i specified CT; i'd wager it's a lot less fungible in oklahoma
1024780;1424367398;NewLiberty;CA somewhat decriminalized.  Most strip malls have a dispensary.
1024781;1424367407;thestringpuller;danielpbarron: i was born in hartford btw
1024782;1424367408;thestringpuller;:D
1024783;1424367570;NewLiberty;Anyhow, WRT Gavin, he may yet listen and end up less bad.
1024784;1424367642;thestringpuller;And Biggie may not really be dead.
1024785;1424367648;danielpbarron;!b 2
1024786;1424367649;assbot;Last 2 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/11JAYD0.txt )
1024787;1424367773;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33092 @ 0.00040937 = 13.5469 BTC [-]
1024788;1424367955;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 3492 @ 0.0008622 = 3.0108 BTC [+] {7} 
1024789;1424368260;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 69467 @ 0.00040937 = 28.4377 BTC [-]
1024790;1424368315;thestringpuller;;;ticker
1024791;1424368317;gribble;Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 241.62, Best ask: 241.83, Bid-ask spread: 0.21000, Last trade: 241.85, 24 hour volume: 10233.35845876, 24 hour low: 232.01, 24 hour high: 241.85, 24 hour vwap: 236.719103696
1024792;1424368322;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 51183 @ 0.00040923 = 20.9456 BTC [-]
1024793;1424368748;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 502 @ 0.00543999 = 2.7309 BTC [+] {4} 
1024794;1424368869;danielpbarron;;;later tell asciilifeform http://danielpbarron.com/pogo/ << so far just some notes and what i think is your specification; corrections and suggestions welcome
1024795;1424368870;assbot;Bitcoin Full Node on a Pogoplug Series 4 ... ( http://bit.ly/1vk2Xyd )
1024796;1424368870;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 422 @ 0.00552835 = 2.333 BTC [-] {5} 
1024797;1424368871;gribble;The operation succeeded.
1024798;1424369116;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 501 @ 0.00536675 = 2.6887 BTC [-] {2} 
1024799;1424369175;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 5605 @ 0.00089928 = 5.0405 BTC [+] {6} 
1024800;1424369602;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5030 @ 0.00040923 = 2.0584 BTC [-]
1024801;1424369663;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 56581 @ 0.00040737 = 23.0494 BTC [-] {4} 
1024802;1424369846;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 1435 @ 0.00092154 = 1.3224 BTC [+] {5} 
1024803;1424370273;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25150 @ 0.00041308 = 10.389 BTC [+]
1024804;1424370899;mats;http://radare.today/awesome-ascii-graphs
1024805;1424370900;assbot;    Interactive ASCII graphs   ... ( http://bit.ly/1BqZznc )
1024806;1424371072;thestringpuller;this is beautiful
1024807;1424371259;thestringpuller;danielpbarron: i may setup a gentoo machine just to make a pogo
1024808;1424371282;danielpbarron;what do you usually use?
1024809;1424371426;pete_dushenski;http://www.contravex.com/2015/02/19/bankers-arent-the-bad-guys/
1024810;1424371427;assbot;Bankers aren’t the bad guys. | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski ... ( http://bit.ly/1Br1FDw )
1024811;1424371449;thestringpuller;danielpbarron: debian.
1024812;1424371456;thestringpuller;ah scoopbot down again?
1024813;1424371488;danielpbarron;see if you can do it from debian; you just need the cross compiler
1024814;1424371516;thestringpuller;aight. i'll give that a try. ordering a pogo soon.
1024815;1424371571;pete_dushenski;thestringpuller: scoopbot cannot penetrate the fortress that is contravex
1024816;1424371576;pete_dushenski;the moat is too deep
1024817;1424371579;ben_vulpes;<BingoBoingo> [] decimation> that should be the bar for voting - if you don't have your $185k, you can't vote, because you are literally a bum << Maybe there should be trophies for certain people who inflicted directly and personally more than that damage on the fiat system without being politicos?  << most offensive thing about being born here is how one's effectively born into slavery for others obligations.
1024818;1424371598;pete_dushenski;"Be sure to tweet with #JBossBitcoin during tomorrow's race! We hope that #NASCAR & #bitcoin fans can get behind #54. "
1024819;1424371614;pete_dushenski;^for everyone with a twitter acct ;)
1024820;1424371657;thestringpuller;JBossBitcoin makes me think of webstack using JBoss to run bitcoin stuff
1024821;1424371682;thestringpuller;random: what's with white girls and brown boots...
1024822;1424371770;pete_dushenski;putting on boots is faster than tanning ?
1024823;1424371930;ben_vulpes;<decimation> I would bet that if you asked the parents of the non-vaccinated, they would say that they want to 'prevent autism' << isn't the best way to achieve this to have kids while the womb in question is young, flexible and healthy and the sperms ibid?
1024824;1424372015;thestringpuller;ben_vulpes: my mother was nearly 40 when she had me. no autism here.
1024825;1424372056;ben_vulpes;anecdata
1024826;1424372062;ben_vulpes;it's a statistical thing.
1024827;1424372124;danielpbarron;thestringpuller, https://wiki.debian.org/BuildingCrossCompilers << might be a good starting point
1024828;1424372125;assbot;BuildingCrossCompilers - Debian Wiki ... ( http://bit.ly/1Br4wfL )
1024829;1424372149;PeterL;ben_vulpes: my nephew is the oldest in his family, has autism but younger siblings don't
1024830;1424372182;PeterL;You might be thinking of Down's Syndrome, that has a higher occurrence in older mothers
1024831;1424372194;ben_vulpes;no, i'm thinking this is all anecdata.
1024832;1424372206;ben_vulpes;you gotta approach life from first principles.
1024833;1424372212;ben_vulpes;as the machinery wears out, it...wears out.
1024834;1424372225;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33800 @ 0.00042587 = 14.3944 BTC [+] {3} 
1024835;1424372241;ben_vulpes;average age of childbirth goes up in america, all sorts of mental disfunctions go up in america.
1024836;1424372252;ben_vulpes;ad/hd, autism...
1024837;1424372256;ben_vulpes;downs.
1024838;1424372275;danielpbarron;Abraham had a son in his 90s
1024839;1424372288;thestringpuller;his wife was probably 13
1024840;1424372302;danielpbarron;Sarah? she was also old
1024841;1424372313;thestringpuller;oh ya.
1024842;1424372325;thestringpuller;didn't people live to be like 300 then tho?
1024843;1424372328;thestringpuller;before the Ark.
1024844;1424372340;thestringpuller;(My biblical history is fuzzy) :(
1024845;1424372344;danielpbarron;600 even, 969 was the oldest
1024846;1424372345;ben_vulpes;medicalization of individuality factored out, if the numbers are to believed and aren't a cultural artifact i'm guessing that increased age of conception is driving some of the increase (if it even exists)
1024847;1424372371;ben_vulpes;danielpbarron: mk well, rock of salt the size of an asteroid and all that.
1024848;1424372377;ben_vulpes;"dude was real old"
1024849;1424372378;danielpbarron;i think by the time of Abraham it had gone down quite a bit though
1024850;1424372388;thestringpuller;maybe we should stop giving babies ipads?
1024851;1424372401;thestringpuller;and letting them guzzle high fructose corn syurp
1024852;1424372435;PeterL;is 600 or 969 years or months?
1024853;1424372437;danielpbarron;and not hitting them enough
1024854;1424372442;danielpbarron;PeterL, years
1024855;1424372466;PeterL;maybe somebody mistranslated a time unit somewhere along the way?
1024856;1424372467;pete_dushenski;of course, what's a "year"
1024857;1424372484;danielpbarron;the time it takes for the earth to go all the way around the sun
1024858;1424372493;ben_vulpes;and how reliable were the counts
1024859;1424372504;pete_dushenski;i'm sure the counts were reliable
1024860;1424372512;ben_vulpes;and what about that whole "walked with god for 200 years" schtick, hm?
1024861;1424372515;pete_dushenski;but the literary flourishes were less so
1024862;1424372526;pete_dushenski;symbolism and all that
1024863;1424372578;danielpbarron;ben_vulpes, i don't recall that; could you cite chapter/verse?
1024864;1424372614;ben_vulpes;danielpbarron: you can google yourself, i'm not actually in a theological debate here.
1024865;1424372652;ben_vulpes;numbers probably wrong, phrasing probably wrong. i am not interested in biblical scholarship etc.
1024866;1424372669;thestringpuller;that's cause you're a joo
1024867;1424372685;thestringpuller;or what-not
1024868;1424372691;ben_vulpes;a something-or-other
1024869;1424372699;danielpbarron;lack of interest in Bible could also indicate catholic :p
1024870;1424372706;thestringpuller;LOL
1024871;1424372730;thestringpuller;danielpbarron: the cryptopaladin!
1024872;1424372742;danielpbarron;ew, paladin is like.. the worst class
1024873;1424372749;danielpbarron;i always went with the necro guy
1024874;1424372750;thestringpuller;haha
1024875;1424372842;danielpbarron;ah it was Enoch, and he walked with God for 300 years
1024876;1424372881;*;ben_vulpes shrugs
1024877;1424372887;lobbes;<ben_vulpes> average age of childbirth goes up in america, all sorts of mental disfunctions go up in america. << couldn't this also be ascribed to a higher birth-rate?
1024878;1424372903;PeterL;but the birth rate is going down
1024879;1424372911;ben_vulpes;lobbes: i'm assuming percentages are going up, not absolute numbers
1024880;1424372931;ben_vulpes;but ffs read tlp - there's no actually knowing anything about the numbers or what they mean
1024881;1424372932;thestringpuller;PeterL: none of this Children of Men stuff
1024882;1424372948;PeterL;what's a children of men?
1024883;1424372966;thestringpuller;a sci fi novel/movie where humans are unable to have children
1024884;1424372969;thestringpuller;thus extinction
1024885;1424372975;thestringpuller;plot ensues from there
1024886;1424372981;pete_dushenski;thestringpuller: ping http://www.contravex.com/2015/02/19/bankers-arent-the-bad-guys/#comment-11108
1024887;1424372983;assbot;Bankers aren’t the bad guys. | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski ... ( http://bit.ly/1zqMHIf )
1024888;1424372997;PeterL;thestringpuller: is it worth watching?
1024889;1424373089;thestringpuller;PeterL: if you don't mind Clive Owen it's not bad.
1024890;1424373104;thestringpuller;pete_dushenski: That's a great question I do not have an answer for.
1024891;1424373130;thestringpuller;philosophy and stuff is hard
1024892;1424373205;pete_dushenski;that's what makes it fun!
1024893;1424373258;BingoBoingo;pete_dushenski: The way it is hard makes it fun. Eating pinecones also hard, not fun.
1024894;1424373298;pete_dushenski;which i why i read burke and don't bleed when i shit
1024895;1424373321;thestringpuller;pete_dushenski: well allies and enemies are generally relative. I think La Serenissima creates a republic where it dictates the scene.
1024896;1424373338;thestringpuller;La Serenissima's enemies are absolute. Once an enemy always an enemy.
1024897;1424373512;pete_dushenski;most states i can think of work this way
1024898;1424373525;pete_dushenski;any friendships or peace agreements are temporary conveniences
1024899;1424373568;pete_dushenski;trusted parties will stick together and only play nice when it's +ev
1024900;1424373611;PeterL;pete_dushenski: "not that this is the worst thing to be have foisted upon you" << lose either be or have
1024901;1424373745;pete_dushenski;fixed, ty!
1024902;1424374726;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 43279 @ 0.00041918 = 18.1417 BTC [-] {2} 
1024903;1424375092;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10300 @ 0.00041441 = 4.2684 BTC [-]
1024904;1424375275;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16000 @ 0.00041441 = 6.6306 BTC [-]
1024905;1424376871;pete_dushenski;lenovo re: superfish: "we have thoroughly investigated this technology and do not find any evidence to substantiate security concerns"
1024906;1424376893;thestringpuller;pete_dushenski: Well, US harbored Nazi scientists for moon program or what not.
1024907;1424376973;pete_dushenski;all the while: http://t.co/mBg42VBn46
1024908;1424376975;assbot;Errata Security: Extracting the SuperFish certificate ... ( http://bit.ly/17wfBPk )
1024909;1424376983;thestringpuller;In La Serenissima, enemy is always enemy. Do not think reality exists where Gavin earns real trust.
1024910;1424376995;thestringpuller;Not after his becoming enemy.
1024911;1424377041;pete_dushenski;but as with nazi case, the tune can change if a suitable use case is found
1024912;1424377057;pete_dushenski;gavin will always be an enemy because he's also woefully incompetent
1024913;1424377079;pete_dushenski;if he were a worthy opponent, it might one day be a different story
1024914;1424377103;thestringpuller;humor me hypothetical of MP and Gavin joining forces after declaration of war?
1024915;1424377179;pete_dushenski;so in your hypothetical gavin doesn't suck at life ?
1024916;1424377214;jurov;http://www.amazon.com/Pogoplug-Media-Sharing-Device-Remote/dp/B005DB6NG6/ref=pd_rhf_se_s_cp_8_3EX5?ie=UTF8&refRID=1RW9YP2JW2W8M9JZ119G
1024917;1424377216;assbot;Amazon.com: Pogoplug Media Sharing Device - Remote Access to Your Media - Black: Computers & Accessories ... ( http://bit.ly/17wgI1i )
1024918;1424377222;jurov;^ apparently this ships in the EU
1024919;1424377234;jurov;but unsure if it's v2 or v3
1024920;1424377257;jurov;and also customer reviews are scathing (it's unstable)
1024921;1424377320;thestringpuller;pete_dushenski: how about hypothetical enemy who is competent who just wants to straight up smash bitcoin
1024922;1424377322;jurov;i already have enough problems with cantankerous rpi's that are more stable when overclocked.. guess i'll pass this one
1024923;1424377340;pete_dushenski;thestringpuller: now that's a different story
1024924;1424377354;pete_dushenski;one that could end the way it did for the moon nazis
1024925;1424377373;thestringpuller;pete_dushenski: war ends, enemy loses, how does republic trust enemy at all not to back stab Kahn style?
1024926;1424377417;thestringpuller;cause this asks of those working with enemy (at some point after recovery) to keep watchful eye, which means you don't really trust him
1024927;1424377567;BingoBoingo;Intresting https://twitter.com/petertoddbtc/status/568504819318546432
1024928;1424377569;assbot;Gemalto also makes OpenPGP smart cards - I have one. We really need a OpenPGP v2 that supports multisig; right now I'm trusting Gemalto.
1024929;1424377577;pete_dushenski;i'll keep using your moon nazi example because it's so darned useful here: trust isn't complete, but limited to one domain
1024930;1424377585;pete_dushenski;all work is supervised and checked
1024931;1424377601;pete_dushenski;let's say in the soviet style used for nukes and satellites
1024932;1424377676;Apocalyptic;"right now I'm trusting Gemalto" lel given https://firstlook.org/theintercept/2015/02/19/great-sim-heist/
1024933;1424377678;assbot;The Great SIM Heist: How Spies Stole the Keys to the Encryption Castle ... ( http://bit.ly/1AanO7k )
1024934;1424377781;pete_dushenski;"o noes phones aren't sekure!"
1024935;1424378142;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 32871 @ 0.00042625 = 14.0113 BTC [+] {2} 
1024936;1424378203;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 48766 @ 0.00041904 = 20.4349 BTC [-] {2} 
1024937;1424378293;Apocalyptic;!up ascii_field
1024938;1424378298;ascii_field;ty Apocalyptic
1024939;1424378334;Apocalyptic;you're welcome
1024940;1424378383;ascii_field;jurov: the 'pogo' you found is the one without sata port.
1024941;1424378448;ascii_field;'multisig' << can we start saying 'key escrow' whenever some moron put the word 'multisig' ?
1024942;1424378453;ascii_field;honesty plz
1024943;1424378517;ascii_field;jurov: it's unstable << i'm gonna guess that the unstable part is the proprietary nas app that comes with 'pogo'
1024944;1424378522;ascii_field;rather than the hardware
1024945;1424378582;ascii_field;(must confess that i have not tested that particular incarnation, however. but my pogo has not once overheated or shown any signs of hardware failure. has been running more or less round the clock since purchase.)
1024946;1424378718;PeterL;so I'm looking at houses near some of the jobs I'm applying for, I know I really don't want to live inside Detroit, but 15k for a 4br/2ba house seems tempting
1024947;1424378813;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27193 @ 0.0004283 = 11.6468 BTC [+]
1024948;1424378907;ascii_field;great sim heist << transparent nsa smokescreen. gsm uses toy crypto since day one (usg mandate) and has always been breakable with minimal effort.
1024949;1424378924;ascii_field;ergo this is not why they stole the keys (assuming the snowden document is genuine)
1024950;1424378985;ascii_field;the press, rancid mixture of stooges and useful idiots, help to push the implication that 'now we can switch to keys that have not yet been stolen, and no more interception'
1024951;1424378994;ascii_field;precisely the usg message.
1024952;1424379012;pete_dushenski;what would switching keys look like ?
1024953;1424379020;pete_dushenski;if they went down that road
1024954;1424379034;pete_dushenski;new sim cards for phones or a network diddle ?
1024955;1424379042;pete_dushenski;or...
1024956;1424379046;Apocalyptic;ascii_field, yeah there is some trace of "but 3G and 4G networks are more secure" message in that piece
1024957;1424379054;ascii_field;you'll see soon enough when gemalto (as if nothing happened, remains in business of course, like all usg pseudo-industrial ops)
1024958;1424379061;ascii_field;decides to 'we cleaned up our act'
1024959;1424379070;pete_dushenski;!up Xuthus
1024960;1424379109;ascii_field;pete_dushenski: all mobile phones use toy crypto - and, as if this were not enough, call is carried as plaintext on the telco wire in the end
1024961;1424379110;pete_dushenski;'and we'll help to write new regulations which we'll then abide by'
1024962;1424379124;ascii_field;there is no meaningful crypto between endpoints and this is mandatory, by design
1024963;1424379150;pete_dushenski;so why bother changing it ?
1024964;1424379162;pete_dushenski;doesn't even seem like there's room to make it easier to intercept
1024965;1424379166;ascii_field;to peddle the notion that the sim keys matter for any purpose whatsoever is either the act of a complete illiterate on the subject, or a usg stooge.
1024966;1424379172;pete_dushenski;Xuthus: and who would you be ?
1024967;1424379217;pete_dushenski;ascii_field: seems like a waste of breath
1024968;1424379231;pete_dushenski;but i guess the usg is just a marketing machine at this point
1024969;1424379245;ascii_field;thing is, it works
1024970;1424379291;pete_dushenski;to the extent that no one is watching the dismantling of their wealth, sure
1024971;1424379322;ascii_field;no, it works in the sense that the folks in control, are still amply supplied with whores and blow
1024972;1424379336;ascii_field;that's the only actual design goal of the system
1024973;1424379369;pete_dushenski;which continues to be possible because of aforementioned wealth dismantling
1024974;1424379406;ascii_field;'Apps like TextSecure and Silent Text are secure alternatives to SMS messages, while Signal, RedPhone and Silent Phone encrypt voice communications. ' << finally the mask falls off, and we know that a usg muppet wrote that article.
1024975;1424379409;pete_dushenski;otherwise, without new taxes or program cuts, not possible
1024976;1424379413;ascii_field;know as in sky-is-blue.
1024977;1424379482;pete_dushenski;pretty obvious really
1024978;1424379491;pete_dushenski;even for an amateur like me
1024979;1424379504;pete_dushenski;but i guess hanging out here trains one's eye after a while
1024980;1424379525;ascii_field;that line removes any possible doubt.
1024981;1424379541;ascii_field;either stooge or a direct useful idiot of one
1024982;1424379565;danielpbarron;so apparently a pogo can survive a fall to the floor from about 3 feet while running; on a related note, not all devices ship with the same length ethernet cable
1024983;1424379595;ascii_field;danielpbarron: ought to survive a fall from airplane. there is nothing shock-sensitive inside.
1024984;1424379638;ascii_field;(if you have a mechanical drive connected, that's another matter)
1024985;1424379639;danielpbarron;the drive popped out as a result of the fall, and its connecting bracket also came out a bit; but it's setting new best height now, so all is fine i suppose
1024986;1424379657;danielpbarron;it was the solid state one; probably why it still works
1024987;1424379767;danielpbarron;my throat is now sore from yelling
1024988;1424379789;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21093 @ 0.00042831 = 9.0343 BTC [+] {2} 
1024989;1424380105;PeterL;!up ascii_field
1024990;1424380229;ascii_field;ty
1024991;1424380399;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 61800 @ 0.0004288 = 26.4998 BTC [+] {2} 
1024992;1424380765;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10400 @ 0.00042229 = 4.3918 BTC [-]
1024993;1424381052;mircea_popescu;jurov: lol good discussion started from the z80. now, what if we start with piece of germanium/galena/carborundum/whatever << si carbide prolly most promising, or maybe some particular graphite formulations.
1024994;1424381136;mircea_popescu;jurov: if it's possible to place 4 such transistors on mm2 then z80 would fit into 20cm2 << this, basically, is my point. 20 sqcm is not really a big deal. and the number of people who might do it just to play the original Chaos on their pet rock is not negligible.
1024995;1424381205;ascii_field;unfortunately, need more than transistors
1024996;1424381221;mircea_popescu;ALSO major point : it doesn't have to be successful.
1024997;1424381238;mircea_popescu;what i mean is : currently, the fabs regard a printer that ruins 1% of the sheets as disastrous.
1024998;1424381248;mircea_popescu;in our case, if 1% of the sheets are printed correctly, we're golden
1024999;1424381256;mircea_popescu;people would do it like they hunt for pokemons
1025000;1424381263;mircea_popescu;that inversion really gives a lot of tolerance space.
1025001;1424381292;ascii_field;gives it a chinese 'great leap forward backyard steel furnace' flavour though.
1025002;1424381301;mircea_popescu;so it does.
1025003;1424381320;mircea_popescu;understand : reversing the secular trend from "Factory" to "household" is worth pretty much any sacrifice.
1025004;1424381327;mircea_popescu;it's not me speaking, it's god!
1025005;1424381330;ascii_field;sure
1025006;1424381340;ascii_field;but has to not only at least occasionally work,
1025007;1424381346;ascii_field;but actually not depend on industrial outputs
1025008;1424381354;ascii_field;otherwise it's an exercise in pashtun kalash-making
1025009;1424381363;mircea_popescu;not depend on NON COMMODIFIED industrial outputs.
1025010;1424381367;ascii_field;(you have the rifle, but izhevsk still has the shells)
1025011;1424381378;mircea_popescu;one step at a time.
1025012;1424381398;mircea_popescu;as long as the industiral output you use holds no ip, it's good.
1025013;1424381416;mircea_popescu;we want to kill the ip-in-product thing first, then the rest is unsustainable/can't mount any resistance.
1025014;1424381461;ascii_field;if that's the object, can use ttl 74xxxx logic
1025015;1424381483;mircea_popescu;prolly.
1025016;1424381488;ascii_field;it 1) made everywhere, even ussr 2) utterly standardized 3) 'does not know where it will be plugged in'
1025017;1424381518;ascii_field;i must say, always wanted to build a 'bitslice cpu'
1025018;1424381636;mircea_popescu;;;later tell brendafdez: Could summer morning here in buenos aires today << wait, you're in ba ?
1025019;1424381637;gribble;The operation succeeded.
1025020;1424381662;*;pete_dushenski knew this about brenda
1025021;1424381714;mircea_popescu;most of which don't even exist like coinmelon (refered to by mp as coinmuon bc of the sign at the doorbell) << ahahaha wut, wait, the mystery is demystified ?
1025022;1424381718;mircea_popescu;muon was really melon ?
1025023;1424381764;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=19-02-2015#1024576 << lol this chick's sense of humour...
1025024;1424381764;assbot;Logged on 19-02-2015 11:57:09; brendafdez: Having the adware preinstalled sort of spares the user the time and ensures they get a consistent experience with a box compromised from the get go. It's an integral part of the user experience, they wouldn't feel right without the bloat and the ads.
1025025;1424381848;cazalla;danielpbarron: my throat is now sore from yelling <<< try breaking something :P
1025026;1424381850;ascii_field;mircea_popescu: the one utterly unsolved problem is ram
1025027;1424381858;mircea_popescu;so it is.
1025028;1424381870;mircea_popescu;lol yea, like cazalla's... ipad.
1025029;1424381879;ascii_field;none of the contemplated processes threaten to give you anything like '80s micro capacity
1025030;1424381896;ascii_field;i've contemplated a revival of delay-line memories using modern high-frequency amps
1025031;1424381912;mircea_popescu;ascii_field could one simply hijack ssds ?
1025032;1424381917;mircea_popescu;as in, replace the controller.
1025033;1424381918;ascii_field;hijack ?
1025034;1424381928;mircea_popescu;!up ascii_field
1025035;1424381931;ascii_field;ty
1025036;1424381935;mircea_popescu;np np
1025037;1424381937;ascii_field;one can buy raw nand flash
1025038;1424381955;mircea_popescu;ok. so then make a sane addressing scheme, and put a controller in and that's that.
1025039;1424381960;mircea_popescu;memory = disk, like in the good old days.
1025040;1424381974;ascii_field;but this turns into a very different flavour of project
1025041;1424381976;mircea_popescu;make the chips hotswappable, too, by default.
1025042;1424381986;ascii_field;machine that can't be boobied - yes. ic fab on your desk - no
1025043;1424381998;mircea_popescu;imagine alf! a memory scheme which allows you to shoot at the memory units, and add more as you wish without kernel panic.
1025044;1424382014;ascii_field;sop in rad-hard machines
1025045;1424382019;mircea_popescu;yup
1025046;1424382025;ascii_field;(erasure code in ram controller)
1025047;1424382037;mircea_popescu;im not saying it's new. im saying it is time to get home computing out of the 1950s .
1025048;1424382052;ascii_field;i'd generalize to everything being tandem-able by default
1025049;1424382057;mircea_popescu;ideally.
1025050;1424382061;ascii_field;(n-of-m voting scheme)
1025051;1424382066;mircea_popescu;so the one day you need moar memory ? YOU BORROW SOME
1025052;1424382071;mircea_popescu;like in thefucking old days #2
1025053;1424382082;ascii_field;aha, sop in ibm 'big iron'
1025054;1424382086;mircea_popescu;yup
1025055;1424382134;ascii_field;now bringing things back to my original boojum - you can't drive sdram with 74xxxx ttl.
1025056;1424382143;ascii_field;it can't be asked to go arbitrarily slowly.
1025057;1424382145;PeterL;why not?
1025058;1424382150;ascii_field;gotta match the refresh upper bounds
1025059;1424382154;ascii_field;or lose bits.
1025060;1424382158;ascii_field;in milliseconds.
1025061;1424382163;mircea_popescu;ascii_field you can layer them
1025062;1424382168;ascii_field;!s sdram
1025063;1424382169;assbot;14 results for 'sdram' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=sdram
1025064;1424382185;ascii_field;mircea_popescu: can't layer dram
1025065;1424382192;mircea_popescu;no the ttl.
1025066;1424382200;ascii_field;like sampler on cheap oscope ?
1025067;1424382204;mircea_popescu;any arbitrary frequency can be met out of an arbitrary count of components.
1025068;1424382206;ascii_field;possibly
1025069;1424382209;mircea_popescu;no. like a timed array.
1025070;1424382225;ascii_field;well yes, that's how my chinese scope gets a 100MHz sampler using 20MHz chinese ADCs
1025071;1424382236;mircea_popescu;aha ok.
1025072;1424382241;mircea_popescu;then like!
1025073;1424382377;mircea_popescu;brendafdez: if I say not at all, it's like I didn0t make it in their eyes, im missing out on being part of the foundation << lol muricans gotta muricate.
1025074;1424382507;mircea_popescu;mike_c: anybody ever use https://www.eurodns.com << i think i got something thourhg them a few years ago. nothing terrible.
1025075;1424382508;assbot;Register international domain names - Registration in 600+ extensions | EuroDNS ... ( http://bit.ly/19ENIX9 )
1025076;1424382532;mircea_popescu;;;seen trinque
1025077;1424382532;gribble;trinque was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 17 hours, 48 minutes, and 40 seconds ago: <trinque> two generations out of a high child mortality rate and people think they're bulletproof
1025078;1424382543;trinque;I'm here
1025079;1424382557;mircea_popescu;where's teh deedbot!!1
1025080;1424382564;trinque;340107
1025081;1424382580;mircea_popescu;aha
1025082;1424382586;mircea_popescu;aite, so, monday ?
1025083;1424382588;thestringpuller;read that as if mircea_popescu was german from lebowski
1025084;1424382603;thestringpuller;"where's da deedbot lebowski!1"
1025085;1424382614;trinque;thestringpuller: lol
1025086;1424382644;trinque;mircea_popescu: yeah, seems there are no other acts of god that could delay it
1025087;1424382654;mircea_popescu;cool.
1025088;1424382679;mircea_popescu;thestringpuller: interesting. an "organic" spike. << yeah, the thing's definitely starting to pull its own weight.
1025089;1424382697;ascii_field;what's an organic spike ?
1025090;1424382707;ascii_field;vlad's tree stump stakes ?
1025091;1424382714;mircea_popescu;ascii_field admitting traffic is a notion with an actual real equivalent,
1025092;1424382723;ascii_field;ah, server spike
1025093;1424382723;trinque;ascii_field: that's what the portland residents will be put atop
1025094;1424382731;mircea_popescu;if the source of a traffic spike is directly identifiable (X site linking) vs if it's not (various sites linking)
1025095;1424382786;mircea_popescu;https://devuan.org/donate.html <<
1025096;1424382788;assbot;Devuan - the GNU/Linux by Veteran Unix Admins. ... ( http://bit.ly/19EPqHT )
1025097;1424382793;mircea_popescu;� 4298.41 via Paypal (EUR)
1025098;1424382793;mircea_popescu;� 1099.18 via Stripe (EUR)
1025099;1424382793;mircea_popescu;� 558.42 via Bank wire (EUR)
1025100;1424382793;mircea_popescu;฿ 2.20703267 Bitcoins (XBT)
1025101;1424382809;ascii_field;'XBT' ?
1025102;1424382809;mircea_popescu;pity they didn't have the sense to wot.
1025103;1424382818;PeterL;xbt == btc
1025104;1424382848;mircea_popescu;ima email them see if they're willing to respect the signed approach.
1025105;1424382855;thestringpuller;ascii_field: it is organic drug you put in someone's drink to kidnap them
1025106;1424382961;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29800 @ 0.00041829 = 12.465 BTC [-] {2} 
1025107;1424383025;thestringpuller;mircea_popescu: http://qntra.net/2015/02/vermont-bitcoin-atm-cease-and-desist-requested/#comment-10900 << I don't think that will work. Cause you are exchanging government scrip for Bitcoin so it involves transfer of that...
1025108;1424383034;mircea_popescu;ascii_field i wrote them an email inviting them over.
1025109;1424383040;mircea_popescu;we do actually have a lot of overlap.
1025110;1424383040;danielpbarron;apparently there is a way to enable ssh on a brand new pogo without using their stupid website
1025111;1424383064;mircea_popescu;o wow, look at that, they have an irc even.
1025112;1424383068;mircea_popescu; /join #debianfork
1025113;1424383168;ascii_field;neato
1025114;1424383250;thestringpuller;everything is forking
1025115;1424383286;mircea_popescu;"forking"
1025116;1424383371;ascii_field;danielpbarron: not only, but i said what that way is on the day i mentioned 'pogo' here for the first time
1025117;1424383382;ascii_field;i certainly did not use their idiot 'registration' thing
1025118;1424383394;ascii_field;nor would any process that relies on their site staying up, be of use to our cause
1025119;1424383397;danielpbarron;well, i'm an idiot :/
1025120;1424383405;PeterL;mod6 or ben_vulpes: on http://thebitcoin.foundation/index.html the header extends off the right side of the screen (on my machine), could you make it use a smaller font so it fits inside the window?
1025121;1424383406;assbot;..::[ The Bitcoin Foundation ]::.. ... ( http://bit.ly/1CPrPxN )
1025122;1424383451;danielpbarron;i don't know how to use computers because i'm actually good at it; it's a matter of necessity
1025123;1424383458;thestringpuller;hey we may have new allies!
1025124;1424383470;thestringpuller;#devuan joins the party
1025125;1424383486;ascii_field;it is not enough that folks fork, they must understand -why- they fork, and who the enemy is
1025126;1424383510;thestringpuller;ascii_field: enemy of enemy sorta == friend??
1025127;1424383536;ascii_field;quite a few people have not made the conceptual leap to seeing the malice behind the incompetence
1025128;1424383557;thestringpuller;is that a requirement for swinging axe or sword?
1025129;1424383570;ascii_field;for reliably swinging in the correct direction - absolutely required.
1025130;1424383591;ascii_field;imagine if folks went to war as they go to 'mosh pit'
1025131;1424383593;thestringpuller;ah like when party member has confuse debuff and he starts hitting you
1025132;1424383596;ascii_field;'i just wanna swing'
1025133;1424383599;thestringpuller;yah
1025134;1424383644;mircea_popescu;what's jurov's list again ? someone dump in #debianfork
1025135;1424383653;thestringpuller;k
1025136;1424383722;mircea_popescu;whyty.
1025137;1424383780;thestringpuller;!up ascii_field
1025138;1424383786;ascii_field;danke thestringpuller
1025139;1424383827;thestringpuller;interesting point with moshpit it is a very inefficient exertion of energy
1025140;1424383835;thestringpuller;just ball of exploding meat chaos
1025141;1424383937;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29700 @ 0.00041419 = 12.3014 BTC [-] {2} 
1025142;1424384486;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 45968 @ 0.00041303 = 18.9862 BTC [-] {4} 
1025143;1424384583;PeterL;after mircea_popescu left, in #debianfork: tmyklebu: he's not weird enough to be a billionaire.
1025144;1424384602;mircea_popescu;ahahahaha
1025145;1424384611;mircea_popescu;they should have a bash.
1025146;1424384736;mircea_popescu;the things pete_dushenski causes.
1025147;1424384777;mircea_popescu;ascii_field  it is not enough that folks fork, they must understand -why- they fork, and who the enemy is << would not go that far, personally. just as long as people act sanely, they're good enough.
1025148;1424385321;mircea_popescu;pete_dushenski: NewLiberty: that's all well and good but you still need to justify any increase in block size << how about http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-02-2015#1019604 ?
1025149;1424385321;assbot;Logged on 15-02-2015 15:36:09; kakobrekla: i wonder what goes longer way towards 'inclusiveness', the big blocks or cheap nodes
1025150;1424385367;chetty;http://www.nbcphiladelphia.com/news/local/Black-Madam-Philadelphia-Buttocks-Injection-Death-292592791.html
1025151;1424385368;assbot;Dancer's Death in Philadelphia Hotel Reveals World of 'Pumping Parties,' Surgery  | NBC 10 Philadelphia ... ( http://bit.ly/1G9phM5 )
1025152;1424385371;mircea_popescu;NewLiberty: I am advocating that "chief scientists" at least be scientists and not engineers << scientists, engineers etc have no business with chiefdom. that's a position for a strategist, nothing else.
1025153;1424385386;mircea_popescu;chetty sadly that world's being "revealed" about every other year.
1025154;1424385404;mircea_popescu;there actually exist these completely insane people going around injecting industrial grade silicone straight into "customers"
1025155;1424385472;mircea_popescu;"a procedure involving silicone and Krazy Glue"
1025156;1424385476;chetty;well I dont know why women want bigger butts
1025157;1424385553;mircea_popescu;that's pretty clear. why do they think they can cut themselves up like they were barbie dolls however, that's mysterious.
1025158;1424385631;chetty;maybe a bigger butt helps if you sit at a computer a lot ...hmmm
1025159;1424385633;mircea_popescu;NewLiberty: A made to fail ponzi << a ponzi only fails because there's an actual monetary unit to compare against.
1025160;1424385640;mircea_popescu;otherwise, ponzi in a vacuum does not fail.
1025161;1424385652;mircea_popescu;chetty 20yo was a dancer.
1025162;1424385660;mircea_popescu;she was black im ready to bet.
1025163;1424385664;mircea_popescu;this means... she shook her butt.
1025164;1424385850;chetty;http://news.yahoo.com/google-glass-apple-watch-japan-offers-wearable-tomatoes-095421514.html;_ylt=AwrBJR4wJOZUqjIApN7QtDMD
1025165;1424385851;assbot;After Google Glass, Apple Watch, Japan offers wearable tomatoes - Yahoo News ... ( http://bit.ly/1DFjPkg )
1025166;1424385854;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes: <decimation> I would bet that if you asked the parents of the non-vaccinated, they would say that they want to 'prevent autism' << isn't the best way to achieve this to have kids while the womb in question is young, flexible and healthy and the sperms ibid?  << i am willing to bet no, because autism was virtually unknown weh i was a kid, and old women had plentry of kids back then
1025167;1424385916;PeterL;was it unknown because it did not exist or because it was not yet named?
1025168;1424385924;mircea_popescu;didn't exist.
1025169;1424385951;PeterL;the people now being called autistic, they would have been called something different back then?
1025170;1424385956;PeterL;like weird?
1025171;1424385973;mircea_popescu;mmm, but i would remember the cases, see. not a matter of calling.
1025172;1424385990;PeterL;would you? maybe you just avoided people like that?
1025173;1424385994;mircea_popescu;as a kid growing up, i had contact with... thousands, prolly at the outset 10k kids. in the sense of actually having seen them with mine own eyes.
1025174;1424386009;mircea_popescu;and i'd have heard *something* about the particular weirdness.
1025175;1424386069;mircea_popescu;for that matter, autism went in the supplemental fascicle of infantile pathology, with spina bifida et all horrors.
1025176;1424386093;mircea_popescu;!up NewLiberty
1025177;1424386099;mircea_popescu;!gettrust assbot NewLiberty
1025178;1424386100;assbot;Trust relationship from user assbot to user NewLiberty: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. | http://w.b-a.link/trust/assbot/NewLiberty | http://w.b-a.link/user/NewLiberty
1025179;1424386111;mircea_popescu;eh danielpbarron you're really pushing things eh
1025180;1424386116;mircea_popescu;!rate NewLiberty 1 voice
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1025182;1424386137;mircea_popescu;!v assbot:mircea_popescu.rate.NewLiberty.1:d474b38b053519963da0f65ad11375e48102693cf7ec5b41086343c6b4263e41
1025183;1424386137;assbot;Successfully added a rating of 1 for NewLiberty with note: voice
1025184;1424386141;cazalla;the 90s gave us so many adhd kids that it was no longer fashionable.. the new fashion with autism is that one can pronounce that their kid is "on the spectrum" as if it makes them somewhat special
1025185;1424386166;NewLiberty;I'd aver that no money is in a vacuum, it is only meaningful in exchange for things.  https://www.dollarvigilante.com/storage/devaluation_denarius.jpg
1025186;1424386167;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1DFk2nu )
1025187;1424386171;cazalla;at least that is my experience overhearing mothers talk
1025188;1424386173;trinque;I suspect it's as adhd was/is, an easy way to prescribe drugs
1025189;1424386202;trinque;gotta have as many people on govt sanctioned amphetamines as possible
1025190;1424386224;trinque;most "autistic" people I've encountered just seemed like kids that weren't properly raised
1025191;1424386230;chetty;I dont doubt the uptick is partly a matter of fashion and names, but it doesnt explain it all, something else is going on there
1025192;1424386242;mircea_popescu;pollution is my guess.
1025193;1424386276;chetty;chems in foods etc, probably
1025194;1424386293;mircea_popescu;yep
1025195;1424386297;cazalla;mircea_popescu, ever come across gender dysphoria or same story as autism?
1025196;1424386310;mircea_popescu;actually that DID happen.
1025197;1424386325;mircea_popescu;maybe 1 in 20 preteen chick wanted to be a boy.
1025198;1424386339;mircea_popescu;for various intensities of want.
1025199;1424386342;*;chetty raises hand
1025200;1424386350;cazalla;boy wanting to be girl i mean, tom boys are a given
1025201;1424386389;mircea_popescu;i think i knew a grand total of maybe a dozen kids that'd be what you call confused. prolly more, but kept secret because at the time pretty stigmatic.
1025202;1424386455;chetty;why do you suppose tom boys are a given, but boys wanting to be girls is wierd?
1025203;1424386528;mircea_popescu;and to help everyone interested evaluate the above numeric claims : at the time in romania, housing was "allocated", to first time parents. so basically, you'd marry, play with the wife, once she missed a period you made a claim with your place of employment and ~1 year later they'd give you the keys to a new apartment. the density was maybe 1k / sqkm. i was a first born, but most families had two or more children - pl
1025204;1424386528;mircea_popescu;enty as many as four or five.
1025205;1424386550;mircea_popescu;consequently, in the 1sqkm area that's the hunting grounds of one healthy boy, i literally knew, by sight, thousands of kids.
1025206;1424386566;mircea_popescu;and then in school, three 4 year cycles of 1-3k kids each.
1025207;1424386573;mircea_popescu;10k is a fair outer bound.
1025208;1424386624;cazalla;chetty, i guess because i grew up knowing of some whereas the idea that a boy would think he is a girl was foreign to me until more recent years.. just an anecdote, but i see most of the boy to girl shit coming from sjw types, that's all
1025209;1424386650;trinque;cazalla: seems that's part of a larger category of "identity fuck"
1025210;1424386651;cazalla;in other words, i'm already familiar (comfortable?) with the idea of tom boys
1025211;1424386693;chetty;well in fairness, tome boys dont always want to be boys, they just want the freedom
1025212;1424386695;trinque;this idea that one can identify as anything, plant, mineral, sports mascot
1025213;1424386731;mircea_popescu;chetty i suspect it's one way but not the other for purely biological reasons. specifically : 9 yos can do the same number of pull-ups.
1025214;1424386746;mircea_popescu;then the girls get tits and butts, and they can no longer lift themselves up for a kingdom
1025215;1424386747;mircea_popescu;it'
1025216;1424386762;mircea_popescu;s readily obvious why kids' want to be boys rather than girls at that age.
1025217;1424387054;mircea_popescu;PeterL: You might be thinking of Down's Syndrome, that has a higher occurrence in older mothers << yeah, that's proven. autism merely suspected.
1025218;1424387081;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes: average age of childbirth goes up in america, all sorts of mental disfunctions go up in america. << except the machine is made to fail once it no longer can work.
1025219;1424387159;mircea_popescu;PeterL: maybe somebody mistranslated a time unit somewhere along the way? << "but they translated the hebrew word for young woman to the greek word for nine months, and hence..."
1025220;1424387171;PeterL;lol
1025221;1424387352;mircea_popescu;thestringpuller: La Serenissima's enemies are absolute. Once an enemy always an enemy. << actually... these "enemies" of ours are more like wanna-be girlfriends than anything.
1025222;1424387435;mircea_popescu;unrelatedly, http://41.media.tumblr.com/73689d7ace567310af77d9447f485714/tumblr_n65wcoNI0U1tn6yoxo1_1280.jpg
1025223;1424387436;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1zrhcxH )
1025224;1424387600;mircea_popescu;o look Apocalyptic. how goes ?
1025225;1424387670;mircea_popescu;PeterL: so I'm looking at houses near some of the jobs I'm applying for, I know I really don't want to live inside Detroit, but 15k for a 4br/2ba house seems tempting << it's the end of days i tell you, idiots here think 2br/1ba apts are 150k
1025226;1424387768;mircea_popescu;ascii_field: no, it works in the sense that the folks in control, are still amply supplied with whores and blow << neiother of these are either rare, ahrd to get or particularly useful/desirable.
1025227;1424387799;PeterL;but it's the taxes that kill you, you pay 4k+/yr property tax for these cheap houses, and city income tax of 2.5% (suburbs have no income tax)
1025228;1424387803;Adlai;mircea_popescu: "made to fail once it no longer can work" << these are not binary
1025229;1424387822;mircea_popescu;obviously. but there's still more error checking in the uterus than in the space program.
1025230;1424387836;mircea_popescu;PeterL ahahaha wuit, city income tax ?!
1025231;1424387841;mircea_popescu;gtfo roflmao omfg. what ?!
1025232;1424387857;mircea_popescu;how does a city even have the fucking authority to make an income tax ?!
1025233;1424387858;PeterL;yeah, dumb idea, anybody who earns income moves out
1025234;1424387881;mircea_popescu;nopbody told city hall "dudes, stfu and mind the parking meters" ?
1025235;1424387883;PeterL;State passed a law because Detroit begged them to, Lansing charges 1%
1025236;1424387900;mircea_popescu;it's absurd.
1025237;1424387910;mircea_popescu;how about i buy a building, make a building income tax ?!
1025238;1424387912;PeterL;a couple other cities in MI also have 1%, but most don't have any
1025239;1424387930;Adlai;you should start a tax-free residential office park right outside the official city limits
1025240;1424387944;PeterL;usually they also charge 1/2 the income tax to people who work in the city but live elsewhere
1025241;1424387949;mike_c;NYC tax is 3.5%
1025242;1424387960;mircea_popescu;Adlai nope. because once it's established they'd try to steal it and i'd have to go to war and massaacre them.
1025243;1424387982;PeterL;the city of Southfield is essentially one giant office park for companies who wanted to move offices out of the city
1025244;1424388013;Adlai;has it since instituted its own shitty tax?
1025245;1424388037;PeterL;no, but they do have pretty high propety tax there, I think
1025246;1424388085;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5585 @ 0.00042637 = 2.3813 BTC [+]
1025247;1424388103;PeterL;http://www.thrillist.com/entertainment/detroit/the-worst-suburbs-in-detroit a brief introduction to the Detroit area
1025248;1424388105;assbot;The Worst Suburbs in Detroit ... ( http://bit.ly/1zriNDt )
1025249;1424388112;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform it's kinda funny to me how many of these "online magazines" copied after the atlantic sprung up everywhere. they almost look like all the boost-baseds "bitcoin businesses", except they're driven by scammers who scam the dod instead of scammers who scam idiot bitcopiners.
1025250;1424388145;mircea_popescu;vaguely related : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rikers_Island google for "preet"
1025251;1424388147;assbot;Rikers Island - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ... ( http://bit.ly/1zriQPQ )
1025252;1424388155;mircea_popescu;apparently guy thinks he needs all the pr he can get.
1025253;1424388165;TheNewDeal;;;later tell TomServo around until Monday. Hope we can finally get in touch if you need to!
1025254;1424388166;gribble;The operation succeeded.
1025255;1424388235;Apocalyptic;not bad mircea_popescu, what about you ?
1025256;1424388243;mircea_popescu;not bad nopt bad.
1025257;1424388259;Adlai;your p key on the other hand seems to be cryping out for some love
1025258;1424388291;mircea_popescu;:p
1025259;1424388933;Adlai;;;bc,stats
1025260;1424388937;gribble;Current Blocks: 344282 | Current Difficulty: 4.44554159623438E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 344735 | Next Difficulty In: 453 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 2 days, 17 hours, 53 minutes, and 27 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 46723759744.3 | Estimated Percent Change: 5.10251
1025261;1424389624;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: just as long as people act sanely, they're good enough << if they have no concept of the enemy, the latter can persuade them to 'act sanely' in a harmless - to him - direction, when it suits him
1025262;1424389695;asciilifeform;danielpbarron: pogo notes << shameful mistake on my part re: jtag pinouts. the soldered wires, turns out, actually lead to (useless to me) gpio pins, not jtag
1025263;1424389718;asciilifeform;danielpbarron: the actual jtag test points are small and gnarly, clustered around cpu. i'll get around to them some time..
1025264;1424389730;danielpbarron;i'm trying to figure this uboot thing out right now. is this a proper thing to be looking at? -> http://ftp.denx.de/pub/u-boot/u-boot-latest.tar.bz2
1025265;1424389733;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1zrmbhH )
1025266;1424389853;asciilifeform;autism epidemiology << one way or another, iatrogenic. you can take that to the bank.
1025267;1424389896;asciilifeform;danielpbarron: the uboot source is pretty easy to build
1025268;1424389980;danielpbarron;i made this config file: http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=WeNwB1mR
1025269;1424389981;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1zrmDMU )
1025270;1424390007;thestringpuller;mircea_popescu:  wanna-be girlfriends << you mean groupie who false accusing it?
1025271;1424390047;thestringpuller;everytime i see pogo plug now I think of a pogo stick shaped butt plug
1025272;1424390087;asciilifeform;danielpbarron: http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=a7Sidjqn << here's mine
1025273;1424390088;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1zrmOYy )
1025274;1424390206;danielpbarron;you used the sheevaplug board option i see
1025275;1424390211;asciilifeform;aha
1025276;1424390212;asciilifeform;works fine.
1025277;1424390239;danielpbarron;i was gonna use MV88f6281GTW_GE Board
1025278;1424390252;danielpbarron;how did you know to do that?
1025279;1424390277;asciilifeform;iirc i picked it from the built-in menuconfig thingie in uboot's build system
1025280;1424390311;asciilifeform;http://qntra.net/2015/02/your-disk-controller-and-you/#comment-10985 << lol!
1025281;1424390312;assbot;Your Disk Controller and You | Qntra.net ... ( http://bit.ly/1zrngWJ )
1025282;1424390450;danielpbarron;compiling now
1025283;1424390464;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform ipso definitio not sanely.
1025284;1424390497;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: more along the lines of 'folks shouldn't stay and be sane back on the farm, there's a war on, go to the front'
1025285;1424390537;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform iatrogenic << nah, my money's on a yet unidentified pollutant from industrial practice. something in consumer products, from the shitty gelatin kraft/unilver uses as the basis of all their "products" - really flavoured goop, to soaps plastics w/e.
1025286;1424390555;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform folks should fight whatever war they feel like.
1025287;1424390581;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: if it's a pollutant, it'd have to be one that usa takes in more or less evenly...?
1025288;1424390595;asciilifeform;for instance, the california sv folks don't eat much 'kraft'
1025289;1424390607;mircea_popescu;thestringpuller no, i mean low value idiots who'd gladly suck our cock if only we a) didn't bang hotties and b) validated their self-hottie delusions.
1025290;1424390621;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform industry is industry. they all use the same thing.
1025291;1424390631;mircea_popescu;you imagine there's any difference between ANY fizzy drink ?
1025292;1424390638;asciilifeform;lol no.
1025293;1424390639;mircea_popescu;(this includes all beers)
1025294;1424390707;asciilifeform;the fizzy drinks and synthetic beers have been around longer than autism, though.
1025295;1424390720;mircea_popescu;look it up.
1025296;1424390746;mircea_popescu;autism starts to move up just about the time warren buffett starts derping about how great wrigley is.
1025297;1424390765;mircea_popescu;it's a by-product of the "Great Industrial Integration" of the late 60s
1025298;1424390769;asciilifeform;more general observation, one explanation of the american attitude to pollutants (the more the merrier) is that it is precisely for the same reason as poettering et al's attitude to software.
1025299;1424390774;danielpbarron;ok i have an executable file named 'u-boot'
1025300;1424390783;asciilifeform;bury folks in an ocean of shit - no blame can be assigned
1025301;1424390789;asciilifeform;or so the perpetrator assumes.
1025302;1424390797;mircea_popescu;danielpbarron wd.
1025303;1424390817;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform it's certainly damned hard to fish through the soup currently.
1025304;1424390842;asciilifeform;and it isn't as if you can craft a mouse model for autism.
1025305;1424390847;mircea_popescu;right.
1025306;1424390858;danielpbarron;is this the same file i can write to  /dev/mtd0  ?
1025307;1424390864;mircea_popescu;but incidentally : girl bought 'dijon mustard' by kraft. made to mimic actual legitimate producers.
1025308;1424390875;mircea_popescu;immediately tasted the telltale bitter back of mouth aftertaste.
1025309;1424390882;asciilifeform;danielpbarron: gotta use the util. described in the original article. it sets the ecc bits in the eeprom
1025310;1424390887;mircea_popescu;ALL THEIR FUCKING SHIT is made out of the same goop, with flavourings.
1025311;1424390909;danielpbarron;nandwrite ?
1025312;1424390915;asciilifeform;aha
1025313;1424390969;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: where i live, the synthetic food is conveniently shelved in another (by far largest) section of the store than the mostly-correct (to look, feel, and taste) variant
1025314;1424390978;mircea_popescu;from persil to bosco
1025315;1424391034;asciilifeform;the vendors aren't really trying to mimic the genuine article.
1025316;1424391066;asciilifeform;it is entirely clear to the naked eye (no need to open the seal) where the identical goop is.
1025317;1424391144;asciilifeform;(aside from logo, geometrically regular packages with no expiration date or date in distant future, proximity to other similar products on the shelf, and - above all - cost closer to what one might expect of motor fuel than food)
1025318;1424391179;asciilifeform;this says nothing on the question of contaminants found in 'proper' food in same shop, but i did want to point out that the two fundamentally different things are shelved separately
1025319;1424391188;asciilifeform;and there can be no confusion between them, imho
1025320;1424391380;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4650 @ 0.0004269 = 1.9851 BTC [+]
1025321;1424391438;danielpbarron;d'oh i'm dumb; it's in /usr/sbin/
1025322;1424391621;mircea_popescu;mebbe.
1025323;1424391674;mircea_popescu;in practical terms, however, most people eat pre-produced stuff, either at home or in a "restaurant"
1025324;1424391708;mircea_popescu;from mcdo to tgi or w/e.
1025325;1424391820;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: whatever it is, u.s. folks from 'high society' obsessed with 'natural product' are getting their fair share of it - or more.
1025326;1424391831;mircea_popescu;myeah.
1025327;1424391880;asciilifeform;the ones who wouldn't be 'caught dead' at, e.g., 'mcdonald's'
1025328;1424391924;mircea_popescu;there is the occasional shop that's competent, but by and large the label offers no protection.
1025329;1424391930;mircea_popescu;much like college degrees offer no guarantee
1025330;1424391952;danielpbarron;i've got two examples of writing uboot and they use different flags and different start addresses
1025331;1424391968;mircea_popescu;http://40.media.tumblr.com/435f263d9395e1e89a50eb313d407074/tumblr_ng2gwf5YGA1rne0mao1_500.jpg for teh lulz.
1025332;1424391969;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1AOebNG )
1025333;1424391985;asciilifeform;danielpbarron: flags and start addresses !?!
1025334;1424391992;asciilifeform;danielpbarron: it goes right on top of the old uboot
1025335;1424391997;asciilifeform;mtd0
1025336;1424391999;danielpbarron;/tmp/nandwrite /dev/mtd0 /tmp/uboot.2014.07-tld-1.pogo_v4.mtd0.kwb
1025337;1424392021;asciilifeform;danielpbarron: you want to erase the nand, yes
1025338;1424392025;danielpbarron;/usr/sbin/nandwrite -p -s 0x100000 /dev/mtd0 /tmp/uboot.bin
1025339;1424392031;asciilifeform;if you omit the block count, it does the whole partition.
1025340;1424392052;asciilifeform;nononono
1025341;1424392060;asciilifeform; flash_erase /dev/mtd1 0
1025342;1424392067;asciilifeform;well, mtd0
1025343;1424392069;asciilifeform;in this case
1025344;1424392082;asciilifeform;and then,
1025345;1424392092;cazalla;this food talk reminds me of current hysteria of hepatitis a laden frozen berries from china doing the rounds here in australia, many people such, much surprise for some reason.. while on holidays, i spot the same shit in my parents freezer, advise em that they might not wanna eat this but get met with abuse, you think you know everything response.. a month later, hep a scare! so sweet lulz
1025346;1424392093;asciilifeform;nandwrite -p /dev/mtd0 whatever
1025347;1424392098;danielpbarron;and i can use the flash_erase and nandwrite that come on the stock pogo?
1025348;1424392113;asciilifeform;danielpbarron: can
1025349;1424392119;danielpbarron;should*?
1025350;1424392124;asciilifeform;or build'em on whatever you're running
1025351;1424392127;asciilifeform;they're fairly low-tech
1025352;1424392131;danielpbarron;:O
1025353;1424392194;cazalla;http://www.health.gov.au/internet/main/publishing.nsf/Content/ohp-hep-A-media-1-frozen-berry.htm of course, people are now calling for proper labelling but apparently no can do due to trade agreements, guess people must eat their shit berries and be content
1025354;1424392196;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/17igpr8 )
1025355;1424392213;mircea_popescu;meanwhile at the poloplug ranch http://41.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_kwh6sgckoV1qa258ao1_1280.jpg
1025356;1424392216;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/17igqvb )
1025357;1424392238;asciilifeform;lol!
1025358;1424392240;asciilifeform;what even.
1025359;1424392378;asciilifeform;http://www.slideserve.com/saber/programming-in-the-small-c-c-java-pitfalls-ada-benefits << interesting - for aficionados of 'underhanded c' also
1025360;1424392380;assbot;Programming in the Small: C/C++/Java Pitfalls & Ada Benefits - Franco Gaspe... ... ( http://bit.ly/17igBGT )
1025361;1424392395;asciilifeform;puts some light on why there will never be an 'underhanded ada' contest.
1025362;1424392539;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 36616 @ 0.0004269 = 15.6314 BTC [+]
1025363;1424392827;mircea_popescu;"But it's the wealth gap that we should be worried about, soon to be greatly increased.  Wealth gaps mean feudalism.  They mean, on the one hand, universal healthcare-- everyone gets the same; on the other hand, flow chart medicine-- since everyone gets the same, let's just make a flowchart. It also means mental health parity, which is really a way to funnel the poor into the only outlet we have to deal with their rage
1025364;1424392827;mircea_popescu;: psychiatry. "
1025365;1424392834;mircea_popescu;heh. tlp has a poor man's view of rich people.
1025366;1424392857;mircea_popescu;call me when they fill up a ranch with young fillies collected from detroit. then they may be rich in the feudal sense of powerful.
1025367;1424392865;asciilifeform;not too many poor folks with a 'rich man's view' of rich
1025368;1424393133;asciilifeform;re: autism pollutant: when i tell folks that north kr is a unique planetary resource whose (very likely) disappearance could turn out to be an extinction-level catastrophe - they make monkey noises
1025369;1424393135;asciilifeform;but this is why.
1025370;1424393164;asciilifeform;if it takes a batshit king and world's thickest minefield to keep out 'mcdonalds', it might yet turn out to be worth it.
1025371;1424393264;asciilifeform;sometimes, 'sanity' - as in, nash-equilibrium behaviour - is death.
1025372;1424393270;asciilifeform;and 'insanity' - life.
1025373;1424393379;asciilifeform;think of it as 'airgap' from civilization.
1025374;1424394023;ben_vulpes;good evening
1025375;1424394149;asciilifeform;'Platinum - also called platina is the heaviest substance but one (see No. 47) known, having a specific gravity of fully 21, which may be raised to about 21.5 by hammering.' - Encyclopaedia of Practical Receipts and Processes. William B. Dick, 1872. << mega-vintage-l0l
1025376;1424394198;*;asciilifeform wonder how much pre-atomic chemistry remains quietly in circulation to this day, in various 'practical' works
1025377;1424394338;ben_vulpes;there are always those water-fueled cars...
1025378;1424394349;asciilifeform;not speaking of pseudoscience as such
1025379;1424394370;asciilifeform;but notions like the above, that actually trace descent to late pre-atomic state of the art
1025380;1424394418;asciilifeform;actually strike that.
1025381;1424394430;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 125 @ 0.01177323 = 1.4717 BTC [+] {4} 
1025382;1424394432;asciilifeform;turns out in english 'specific gravity' == density
1025383;1424394447;asciilifeform;and so entirely reasonable to ask to hammer. just odd phrasing
1025384;1424394464;ben_vulpes;;;calc .5/21
1025385;1424394464;gribble;0.0238095238095
1025386;1424394473;ben_vulpes;but a 2 percent increase?
1025387;1424394518;asciilifeform;can anyone tell me if Pt forms a hydride in nature?
1025388;1424394529;*;ben_vulpes shakes his head sadly
1025389;1424394538;asciilifeform;can anyone guess why this has to be asked
1025390;1424394562;*;ben_vulpes doesn't guess. knows or doesn't.
1025391;1424394617;ben_vulpes;but i would like to know.
1025392;1424394639;asciilifeform;if i recall, abundance of 'heavy water' (D2O) on earth is around 0.0003
1025393;1424394697;asciilifeform;eh, nm again, it was palladium deuteride not platinum, that fuses if hammered.
1025394;1424394706;*;asciilifeform off to get some rest
1025395;1424394731;ben_vulpes;<NewLiberty> [] USD will kill USD, even without XBT << xbt lol
1025396;1424394738;ben_vulpes;everyone and their custom phrasing
1025397;1424395043;ben_vulpes;<pete_dushenski> [] Xuthus: and who would you be ? << that guy who broke his dick, right?
1025398;1424395054;ben_vulpes;uses a new nick now for reasons?
1025399;1424395179;mircea_popescu;no?
1025400;1424395201;ben_vulpes;a no.
1025401;1424395202;ben_vulpes;my mistake.
1025402;1424395223;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 59500 @ 0.000421 = 25.0495 BTC [-] {2} 
1025403;1424395421;mircea_popescu;http://40.media.tumblr.com/64cdf852d93b8cd579e950efb42d20a9/tumblr_nav669ULIl1se6ghyo1_1280.jpg << i think she's trying to debug his pulseaudio.
1025404;1424395422;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1FAmo9w )
1025405;1424395435;ben_vulpes;hahaha
1025406;1424395534;ben_vulpes;;;later tell PeterL get moar pixels
1025407;1424395536;gribble;The operation succeeded.
1025408;1424395693;ben_vulpes;"fascicle" << new word for me today
1025409;1424395757;ben_vulpes;<mircea_popescu> [] pollution is my guess. << "you don't need to make up and over fit models to convince me that the silicon fabrication process is realrealreal bad for life on planet earth"
1025410;1424395823;danielpbarron;http://blog.cylance.com/author/brian-wallace << i went to school with this guy / haven't talked to him in years
1025411;1424395825;assbot;Blog | Cylance ... ( http://bit.ly/1FAnBO4 )
1025412;1424396169;ben_vulpes;<asciilifeform> [] the fizzy drinks and synthetic beers have been around longer than autism, though. << what on earth is synthetic beer!?
1025413;1424396290;ben_vulpes;<mircea_popescu> [] there is the occasional shop that's competent, but by and large the label offers no protection. << nice thing about growing up proximate to actual farm land worked by actual humans is the learned skill of being able to nix Cisco-vendors after a single visit.
1025414;1424396302;ben_vulpes;to all of the ex-californians, a french fry is a french fry is a french fry.
1025415;1424396312;danielpbarron;they use hfcs in most big name beers
1025416;1424396322;ben_vulpes;danielpbarron: good grief
1025417;1424396352;ben_vulpes;i don't even drink beer anymore
1025418;1424396361;*;danielpbarron either
1025419;1424396366;ben_vulpes;this vile stout of convenience aside
1025420;1424396367;ben_vulpes;bad shits
1025421;1424396680;mike_c;what an asshole:
1025422;1424396686;mike_c;!gettrust crypto/quo
1025423;1424396687;assbot;Trust relationship from user mike_c to user crypto/quo: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. | http://w.b-a.link/trust/mike_c/crypto%2Fquo | http://w.b-a.link/user/crypto%2Fquo
1025424;1424396698;mike_c;who puts a goddamn forward slash in their nick
1025425;1424396795;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes all us beer
1025426;1424396805;mircea_popescu;coca cola flavoured as "beer"
1025427;1424396814;ben_vulpes;mike_c: ask nubbins`
1025428;1424396822;mike_c;backtick is easier!
1025429;1424396849;mike_c;note kako's wot links don't work for him
1025430;1424396850;ben_vulpes;mircea_popescu: dunno about 'all'.
1025431;1424396873;ben_vulpes;would believe 'anything from busch et al'
1025432;1424396881;mircea_popescu;well, put it another way : if tax was paid on it it necessarily sucks, because well... it couldn't not suck and stay competitive.
1025433;1424396891;TheNewDeal;;;ticker
1025434;1424396893;gribble;Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 240.7, Best ask: 241.79, Bid-ask spread: 1.09000, Last trade: 240.7, 24 hour volume: 9188.93705848, 24 hour low: 235.59, 24 hour high: 245.01, 24 hour vwap: 240.188239723
1025435;1424396913;mircea_popescu;so sure, w/e your microbrewing friend gave you in exchange for those two 6 yos you kidnapped is prolly drinkable.
1025436;1424397040;ben_vulpes;i don't think you've seen beer prices around here lately.
1025437;1424397064;ben_vulpes;the delta between ye olde mass markete pricing and the locally made swill is on the order of 200-300%
1025438;1424397076;ben_vulpes;which affords for tax without hfcs
1025439;1424397080;decimation;asciilifeform: one way or another, iatrogenic. you can take that to the bank. << who knows, maybe it comes from giving out antibiotics like candy
1025440;1424397108;trinque;plenty of excellent microbrew in the pac NW
1025441;1424397137;asciilifeform; 200-300% << and more
1025442;1424397156;mircea_popescu;jesus this free speech thing i can't even force a point beyond all reason without you people oppressing my metaphordisphoria
1025443;1424397176;asciilifeform;but one could argue that at a certain point it is an irresistible temptation to the sc4mz0rz, rather than guarantee of genuine article
1025444;1424397183;decimation;asciilifeform:  the vendors aren't really trying to mimic the genuine article. << no, they optimize on 'sales'
1025445;1424397229;asciilifeform;also worth noting that sc4mf00dz are not new
1025446;1424397248;asciilifeform;were a problem, to some extent, even in late medieval times
1025447;1424397263;asciilifeform;(as described in, e.g., sebastian brandt's 'ship of fools')
1025448;1424397322;asciilifeform;the encyclopaedia i mentioned earlier today (1872) contained innumerable recipes for useful things, but also for faux honey, sham ass's milk (yes), and a thousand other fakeries
1025449;1424397367;asciilifeform;what -is- relatively new is the near-total loss of access to actual food for quite a few folks.
1025450;1424397375;decimation;asciilifeform: you gonna mine the seafloor for Pt?
1025451;1424397392;asciilifeform;decimation: was a failed line of thought re: densities
1025452;1424397397;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform not new at all. recall "david copperfield" - "with actual sugar on top!11"
1025453;1424397406;mircea_popescu;london's poor ate belts for centuries.
1025454;1424397419;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 55517 @ 0.00042208 = 23.4326 BTC [+] {2} 
1025455;1424397420;decimation;also they drank shit-water from the thames
1025456;1424397424;ben_vulpes;<mircea_popescu> jesus this free speech thing i can't even force a point beyond all reason without you people oppressing my metaphordisphoria << it's for the logs :P
1025457;1424397424;asciilifeform;boil belt, boil accordion, etc
1025458;1424397469;ben_vulpes;no implications may go unspoken
1025459;1424397473;ben_vulpes;no jokes may go unexplained
1025460;1424397478;ben_vulpes;less the children of tomorrow not get it
1025461;1424397482;ben_vulpes;lest*
1025462;1424397493;ben_vulpes;that's the rationale, right?
1025463;1424397602;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 100 @ 0.08996019 = 8.996 BTC [-] {5} 
1025464;1424397638;trinque;ben_vulpes: childen of tomorrow wont be able to read
1025465;1424397641;decimation;http://forums.canadiancontent.net/history/48176-18th-century-london-its-daily.html < " In 1771, Tobias Smollet wrote, "If I would drink water, I must quaff the mawkish contents of an open aqueduct, exposed to all manner of defilement, or swallow that which comes from the River Thames, impregnated with all the filth of London and Westminster. Human excrement is the least offensive part of the concrete, which is composed of all the drugs,
1025466;1424397646;assbot;18th Century London - its daily life and hazards. ... ( http://bit.ly/1vkBEng )
1025467;1424397646;decimation; minerals, and poisons used in mechanics and manufacture, enriched with the putrefying carcases of beasts and men, and mixed with the scourings of all the wash-tubs, kennels and common sewers within the bills of mortality." (5)"
1025468;1424397722;mike_c;an open aqueduct is mawkish?  you mean.. like a river?
1025469;1424397724;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 68044 @ 0.00041844 = 28.4723 BTC [-] {2} 
1025470;1424397770;trinque;heh, now it's fracking chemicals and recycled pharmeceutical piss
1025471;1424397785;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 72685 @ 0.00041291 = 30.0124 BTC [-] {2} 
1025472;1424397864;decimation;http://www.brunel-museum.org.uk/shop2/the-brunels-tunnel/ << Herr Brunel dug underneath the filth to achieve one of his great engineering feats
1025473;1424397868;assbot;The Brunel Museum » The Brunels’ Tunnel ... ( http://bit.ly/1vkC4dq )
1025474;1424398029;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34092 @ 0.00041133 = 14.0231 BTC [-]
1025475;1424398127;ben_vulpes;mike_c, decimation: the feds and CH2MHILL are going to cover our historic open reservoirs.
1025476;1424398133;ben_vulpes;because "a parasite!!!1!"
1025477;1424398161;ben_vulpes;nevermind the radon and bacterial buildup that closed reservoirs entail
1025478;1424398163;ben_vulpes;also
1025479;1424398169;ben_vulpes;subject of irc.serenissima.butts
1025480;1424398172;ben_vulpes;https://unstable.systems/
1025481;1424398174;assbot;Unstable Systems ... ( http://bit.ly/1vkCtfS )
1025482;1424398214;decimation;what?  what parasite
1025483;1424398275;ben_vulpes;cryptosporidium protozoa iirc
1025484;1424398281;ben_vulpes;perhaps not a parasite
1025485;1424398284;ben_vulpes;ianab etc
1025486;1424398384;decimation;this thing > http://koin.com/2014/05/20/powell-butte-ii-reservoir-design-contract-balloons/
1025487;1424398385;assbot;Powell Butte II reservoir design contract balloons | KOIN.com ... ( http://bit.ly/1Ev4BNn )
1025488;1424398596;danielpbarron;mircea_popescu> so sure, w/e your microbrewing friend gave you << or my brother :D  he even makes his own yeast cultures
1025489;1424398613;mircea_popescu;cool
1025490;1424398619;danielpbarron;that beer, i'd drink
1025491;1424398706;danielpbarron;SetBestChain: new best=000000000000000007e4  height=344301  work=5843887003250562996213694  date=02/20/15 02:14:19
1025492;1424398709;danielpbarron;SetBestChain: 3 of last 100 blocks above version 2
1025493;1424399204;asciilifeform;http://cryptome.org/2015/02/gchq-pcs-harvesting-intercept-15-0219.pdf << the thing behind the sim card lulzies earlier today
1025494;1424399240;asciilifeform;( http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=19-02-2015#1024948 and below )
1025495;1424399240;assbot;Logged on 19-02-2015 20:48:27; ascii_field: great sim heist << transparent nsa smokescreen. gsm uses toy crypto since day one (usg mandate) and has always been breakable with minimal effort.
1025496;1424399323;danielpbarron;https://blockchain.info/blocks/Bitcoin%20Affiliate%20Network << this miner is using the new version
1025497;1424399325;assbot;                Recent blocks Found By Bitcoin Affiliate Network ... ( http://bit.ly/1vkDFjm )
1025498;1424399349;asciilifeform;did someone expect that no such thing would ever appear ?
1025499;1424399350;asciilifeform;or what.
1025500;1424399371;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 45300 @ 0.0004237 = 19.1936 BTC [+] {2} 
1025501;1424399384;danielpbarron;just making note is all; it's interesting to me
1025502;1424399406;asciilifeform;depending on how much self-restraint the idiots have, it may even turn out that all usg-sponsored miners will run (or claim to run) 0.10
1025503;1424399438;asciilifeform;the only true 'acid test' is an actual hardfork.
1025504;1424399457;asciilifeform;anyone can harmlessly change a version constant.
1025505;1424399699;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: http://www.aholme.co.uk/Mk1/Architecture.htm << example of modern discrete logic machine. (there are many. common amateur project. but, afaik, nothing remotely large enough for, e.g., a bitcoin node.)
1025506;1424399700;assbot;Mark 1 FORTH Computer ... ( http://bit.ly/1vkE2KJ )
1025507;1424399734;mircea_popescu;they prolly should wotify jus' in case...
1025508;1424400286;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 32450 @ 0.00040807 = 13.2419 BTC [-]
1025509;1424400324;decimation;for even more ancient warez, you might as well reinvent the original stuff: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i5P5faf7478
1025510;1424400325;assbot;Colossus - Operational at Bletchley - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1vkECIu )
1025511;1424400423;TheNewDeal;thanks for taking time to write that hard drive article ascii
1025512;1424400768;danielpbarron;i got a bunch of warnings, but i seem to have my own nandwrite and flash_erase compiled from this source -> ftp://ftp.infradead.org/pub/mtd-utils/
1025513;1424400807;danielpbarron;i'm not anywhere near skilled enough to check that source for badness though
1025514;1424400835;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 44528 @ 0.00041137 = 18.3175 BTC [+]
1025515;1424401299;scoopbot;New post on Trilema by Mircea Popescu: http://trilema.com/2015/this-is-how-social-media-failed/
1025516;1424401341;decimation;http://www.faz.net/aktuell/politik/inland/kampf-gegen-rechts-ein-volk-von-antifaschisten-13429214.html  < "Nichts tut so gut wie das Gefühl, gegen Rechts zu kämpfen."
1025517;1424401342;assbot;Kampf gegen Rechts: Ein Volk von Antifaschisten - Inland - FAZ ... ( http://bit.ly/1vkFq03 )
1025518;1424401366;decimation;"nothing feels as good as fighting rightists
1025519;1424401872;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6409 @ 0.00041137 = 2.6365 BTC [+]
1025520;1424402043;asciilifeform;TheNewDeal: glad you liked it
1025521;1424402081;asciilifeform;TheNewDeal et al: if the chance comes again, i'll write another.
1025522;1424402093;asciilifeform;that particular piece was by request from BingoBoingo.
1025523;1424402128;decimation;"Jeder, der ein rohes Hühnerei in die Demo wirft, darf sich einmal fühlen wie Stauffenberg im Kampf gegen Hitler - doch der Vergleich hinkt: Stauffenberg war ja auch irgendwie Rechts, oder?" < Anyone who throws a raw egg in the demonstration may once feel like Stauffenberg in the fight against Hilter - but the comparison is misleading - Stauffenberg was kind of a rightist [Nazi, fascist] too?
1025524;1424402421;decimation;"Und das jährliche Turnier „Golf gegen Rechts“ hat sich um den „New Golf Award 2015“ beworben. Ausgezeichnet werden dabei die innovativsten Ideen für ein neues Golf-Turnier."  < the annual "golf against the rightists" tournament has been awared the "new golf award 2015" for the most innovative idea for a new golf tournament.
1025525;1424402483;asciilifeform;^ there's got to be some kind of 'parody event horizon crossing' prize this could win.
1025526;1424402536;decimation;yeah
1025527;1424402636;decimation;the modern germans have become a parody of a parody of an anti-nazi poster
1025528;1424402823;decimation;of course, the fact that no actual nazis exist (nor the fact that nearly every modern german has a nazi ancestor) doesn't stop them from using it to prop up their vote-banks
1025529;1424403137;mircea_popescu;<decimation> "nothing feels as good as fighting rightists << somebody's bound to sooner or later discover sexual intimacy and move on.
1025530;1424403245;mircea_popescu;""No sex with Nazis"
1025531;1424403245;mircea_popescu;In addition, anti-fascism was never to have as cheap as today. Previously, he could cost you your life, today it costs no more than lip service among peers - and heard to this, the exclusive circle of the upright, decent, brave. The fighters against law form the peerage of enlightened society. Or even a shot polemical: Here is an indulgence trade takes place; the moral superiority can be acquired simply by joining the
1025532;1424403245;mircea_popescu;fight against right."
1025533;1424403246;mircea_popescu;win.
1025534;1424403289;mircea_popescu;The repertoire is considerable: There is the rock against law and rapping against the Right, of course, sing and cry against law, but also against the right costumes and football games against law. The "Green Youth" in Hamburg regularly invites to "Celebrate against law," a political deal, which is by the way very well received by young people, and the children of the class 7b of Augustin-Wibbelt High School in Warendo
1025535;1424403289;mircea_popescu;rf even dancing against law - early practice only makes me be an anti-fascist. The other hand, is difficult to measure the success of the courageous campaign of the DGB youth in Dortmund: "No sex with Nazis." And possibly mix different motivations in Berlin Initiative "According to fuck each law."
1025536;1424403299;mircea_popescu;srsly google totally proves poe's law.
1025537;1424403365;mircea_popescu;in other news, http://33.media.tumblr.com/1635233428e38f163e5fcbc6147ed52c/tumblr_nct5qyru8Y1s9l8ylo2_400.gif
1025538;1424403368;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1GagCZy )
1025539;1424403519;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 70800 @ 0.00040631 = 28.7667 BTC [-] {3} 
1025540;1424403543;decimation;mircea_popescu: yeah I figured you would like that
1025541;1424403556;decimation;"I can be a slut - it's okay as long as I don't fuck a nazi!"
1025542;1424404739;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 48100 @ 0.00041888 = 20.1481 BTC [+] {3} 
1025543;1424404849;mircea_popescu;weren't nazis gay anyway ?
1025544;1424405146;decimation; well, didn't Goebbels have kids for his wife to poison?
1025545;1424405950;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: dairy farm ?
1025546;1424406017;ben_vulpes;there are all kinds of fluids in that gif
1025547;1424406020;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 44850 @ 0.00042757 = 19.1765 BTC [+] {2} 
1025548;1424406039;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: there are many fluids at a dairy farm, even if only one is packaged for sale
1025549;1424406057;ben_vulpes;<asciilifeform> mircea_popescu: http://www.aholme.co.uk/Mk1/Architecture.htm << ah goodness hardware implementations of forth and lisp make me wish for a fueled rocket
1025550;1424406058;assbot;Mark 1 FORTH Computer ... ( http://bit.ly/19GBInV )
1025551;1424406081;ben_vulpes;asciilifeform: and in yourself, myself...
1025552;1424406120;asciilifeform;the inevitable question is, was the milk sold.
1025553;1424406206;decimation;http://www.econtalk.org/archives/2015/02/daniel_sumner_o.html > "I just have to mention that I once saw a hearing on this on TV and I was paying attention, for a while, because I thought this would be good for my class;  ... But the high point of this, which made it all worthwhile, was one of the Senators asked the milk person why milk was treated so differently from every other product. And there was an awkward silence. And of course
1025554;1424406207;assbot;" + soundfiledesc + " ... ( http://bit.ly/17iAQ7w )
1025555;1424406207;decimation;the real reason is because of politics; and we're going to get to that in a second. But the person had to say something. He couldn't just say, 'Because I'm politically important.' Or, 'My state is politically important.' Or whatever it was. So, he said,' Well, milk is special.' And the Senator, who was not from a milk state, said,' Why?' And the witness had a problem there. He had to think of something. So he said, 'Well, milk's bulky.'
1025556;1424406209;decimation; "
1025557;1424406213;ben_vulpes;asciilifeform: or drunk
1025558;1424406486;ben_vulpes;good evening pete_dooce
1025559;1424406631;ben_vulpes;;;seen artifexd
1025560;1424406632;gribble;artifexd was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 2 weeks, 2 days, 13 hours, 3 minutes, and 53 seconds ago: <artifexd> Go
1025561;1424407113;pete_dushenski;decimation lol loved that milk line
1025562;1424407335;decimation;milk is bulky, so give us money
1025563;1424407392;decimation;another good one from the same podcast: " A man named Northly[?] came--he was the Executive Vice President of the North Carolina Peanut Association. Wonderful guy. He stood up as this conference was ending, and he said, 'Let me tell you about the peanut program. There's only two people in America who understand how the peanut program works. It's my job to keep it that way.'"
1025564;1424407640;pete_dushenski;then 30 years later: "i never said that, but it sounds like me!"
1025565;1424407912;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 50032 @ 0.00042772 = 21.3997 BTC [+]
1025566;1424408528;thestringpuller;http://venturebeat.com/2015/02/19/bitcoin-can-get-you-illegal-drugs-but-a-game-developer-is-using-it-to-redefine-digital-ownership/ << these niggas never learn
1025567;1424409492;cazalla;thestringpuller, what's wrong with using it for a card game like hearthstone?
1025568;1424410351;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 41472 @ 0.00042431 = 17.597 BTC [-]
1025569;1424410595;thestringpuller;cazalla: "To get the in-game economy going, EverdreamSoft plans to sell 70,000,000 BitCrystals, which is the premium currency used in Spells of Genesis to forge card packs or new items." << sounds like ethereum nonsense
1025570;1424411083;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14500 @ 0.00042706 = 6.1924 BTC [+] {2} 
1025571;1424411371;thestringpuller;!t m s.qntr
1025572;1424411372;assbot;[MPEX:S.QNTR] 1D: 0 / 0 / 0 (0 shares, 0 BTC), 7D: 0.00028529 / 0.00028529 / 0.00028529 (22381 shares, 6.39 BTC), 30D: 0.000175 / 0.00025036 / 0.00028529 (50436 shares, 12.63 BTC)
1025573;1424411388;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 61000 @ 0.00041859 = 25.534 BTC [-] {2} 
1025574;1424411937;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17050 @ 0.00042772 = 7.2926 BTC [+]
1025575;1424412242;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34977 @ 0.0004111 = 14.379 BTC [-] {2} 
1025576;1424412974;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 68028 @ 0.00042772 = 29.0969 BTC [+]
1025577;1424413950;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27541 @ 0.00042832 = 11.7964 BTC [+]
1025578;1424415436;cazalla;thestringpuller, ah so more a kickstarter than an actual game
1025579;1424415536;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 38305 @ 0.00041109 = 15.7468 BTC [-]
1025580;1424415736;ben_vulpes;call me when no debit cards are involved
1025581;1424415772;ben_vulpes;it reeks of wankery at this point, but eulora is the only btc-only game in town
1025582;1424415832;ben_vulpes;cultismo
1025583;1424416268;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13700 @ 0.00040837 = 5.5947 BTC [-]
1025584;1424417061;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 63600 @ 0.00040837 = 25.9723 BTC [-]
1025585;1424417915;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 40700 @ 0.00040531 = 16.4961 BTC [-] {2} 
1025586;1424418261;punkman;http://blog.wizsec.jp/2015/02/mtgox-investigation-release.html
1025587;1424418263;assbot;WizSec: MtGox investigation update and preliminary release ... ( http://bit.ly/1AbOlB3 )
1025588;1424419440;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5050 @ 0.00040646 = 2.0526 BTC [+]
1025589;1424419623;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 62950 @ 0.00041078 = 25.8586 BTC [+] {2} 
1025590;1424420050;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31471 @ 0.00040509 = 12.7486 BTC [-]
1025591;1424420111;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5529 @ 0.00040367 = 2.2319 BTC [-]
1025592;1424420782;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16593 @ 0.00040367 = 6.6981 BTC [-]
1025593;1424420843;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22122 @ 0.00040367 = 8.93 BTC [-]
1025594;1424420904;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28785 @ 0.00040336 = 11.6107 BTC [-]
1025595;1424421209;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 66485 @ 0.00040334 = 26.8161 BTC [-] {2} 
1025596;1424421270;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 107315 @ 0.00040177 = 43.1159 BTC [-] {2} 
1025597;1424421340;BingoBoingo;!up saifedean
1025598;1424421356;saifedean;good morning, folks, it's been too long
1025599;1424421381;BingoBoingo;it has
1025600;1424421423;saifedean;so our conversation last time has gotten me to dig up the old heretic PhD and clean it up into a shorter readable paper with most the interesting bits
1025601;1424421451;saifedean;and it is now posted here: http://capitalism.columbia.edu/files/ccs/Saifedean%20Ammous_Working%20Paper%2085_Energy%20Systems%20and%20the%20Knowledge%20Problem.pdf
1025602;1424421453;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1zSwE4Q )
1025603;1424421458;saifedean;in pdf
1025604;1424421636;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15778 @ 0.00040137 = 6.3328 BTC [-] {2} 
1025605;1424421758;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 32300 @ 0.00039791 = 12.8525 BTC [-]
1025606;1424421819;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 56200 @ 0.00039711 = 22.3176 BTC [-] {2} 
1025607;1424421880;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 68422 @ 0.00039653 = 27.1314 BTC [-]
1025608;1424422672;BingoBoingo;cool
1025609;1424423283;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24778 @ 0.00039653 = 9.8252 BTC [-]
1025610;1424423344;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 165174 @ 0.00038877 = 64.2147 BTC [-] {2} 
1025611;1424423405;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12698 @ 0.00038499 = 4.8886 BTC [-]
1025612;1424423449;BingoBoingo;!up saifedean
1025613;1424426577;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8250 @ 0.00038947 = 3.2131 BTC [+]
1025614;1424427980;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 54050 @ 0.00038499 = 20.8087 BTC [-]
1025615;1424430115;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 36441 @ 0.00039425 = 14.3669 BTC [+] {2} 
1025616;1424430298;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 57400 @ 0.00040017 = 22.9698 BTC [+] {2} 
1025617;1424431160;punkman;https://www.quantamagazine.org/20150206-crispr-dna-editor-bacteria/
1025618;1424431162;assbot;CRISPR Natural History in Bacteria | Quanta Magazine ... ( http://bit.ly/1GbfPrB )
1025619;1424431765;BingoBoingo;http://qntra.net/2015/02/seals-with-clubs-shutters/
1025620;1424431765;assbot;Seals With Clubs Shutters | Qntra.net ... ( http://bit.ly/1Gbhltx )
1025621;1424431870;scoopbot;New post on Qntra.net by Bingo Boingo: http://qntra.net/2015/02/seals-with-clubs-shutters/
1025622;1424434446;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 101250 @ 0.00038694 = 39.1777 BTC [-] {2} 
1025623;1424435052;dignork;pete_dushenski: /q fluffypony
1025624;1424435064;dignork;emm, sorry
1025625;1424435088;fluffypony;lol
1025626;1424435091;fluffypony;what did I do wrong now?
1025627;1424435093;fluffypony;:-P
1025628;1424435143;dignork;my bad, tried to pm you, but garbage in buffer turned command into noise on channel
1025629;1424435175;fluffypony;lol
1025630;1424435178;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 66600 @ 0.00038335 = 25.5311 BTC [-] {2} 
1025631;1424435483;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15000 @ 0.00038966 = 5.8449 BTC [+]
1025632;1424436459;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 44734 @ 0.00040256 = 18.0081 BTC [+] {3} 
1025633;1424436874;BingoBoingo;;;bc,stats
1025634;1424436879;gribble;Current Blocks: 344383 | Current Difficulty: 4.44554159623438E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 344735 | Next Difficulty In: 352 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 2 days, 2 hours, 17 minutes, and 8 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 47222879455.4 | Estimated Percent Change: 6.22526
1025635;1424437069;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 45100 @ 0.00040847 = 18.422 BTC [+] {2} 
1025636;1424438289;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13481 @ 0.0004086 = 5.5083 BTC [+]
1025637;1424438411;danielpbarron;height=210431 vs height=186701
1025638;1424438588;punkman;http://digiday.com/platforms/youtube-moves-outside-overlay-ads/
1025639;1424438589;assbot;YouTube makes a move against brand-sponsored videos ... ( http://bit.ly/1DA5lna )
1025640;1424438631;punkman;how dare you not use adcents
1025641;1424438838;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 28 @ 0.0890647 = 2.4938 BTC [-] {6} 
1025642;1424438854;mats;Fun fact: Lenovo has been shipping adware for years, with silent remote upgrades over HTTP. Adding a MITM cert is their idea of being less intrusive than showing popup ads during powerpoint presentations.
1025643;1424438891;mats;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-09-2014#828180 << dated five months ago
1025644;1424438891;assbot;Logged on 13-09-2014 11:58:12; mats_cd03: fun fact: a piece of lenovo windows crapware downloads an xml file over http then downloads and executes windows platform-specific binary.
1025645;1424438899;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 60 @ 0.08505666 = 5.1034 BTC [-] {9} 
1025646;1424440021;[]bot;Bet placed: 3.6908 BTC for No on "Gold to drop under $1000 before April 2015" http://bitbet.us/bet/1119/ Odds: 13(Y):87(N) by coin, 13(Y):87(N) by weight. Total bet: 13.4909 BTC. Current weight: 85,070.
1025647;1424440119;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 37100 @ 0.0004086 = 15.1591 BTC [+]
1025648;1424440363;mats;http://overthewire.org/wargames/blacksun/reading_material.html some exploitation writeups
1025649;1424440364;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1CSnN5e )
1025650;1424440540;jurov;mats, i got only dead links there
1025651;1424440546;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19900 @ 0.00039515 = 7.8635 BTC [-]
1025652;1424442132;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 66661 @ 0.00039745 = 26.4944 BTC [+] {2} 
1025653;1424443048;mircea_popescu;instead of good morning, http://31.media.tumblr.com/d9633e0f5099c46446ee130090091b05/tumblr_n0it08UykX1rfcxy6o1_400.gif
1025654;1424443050;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1z5lBFt )
1025655;1424443320;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes: it reeks of wankery at this point, but eulora is the only btc-only game in town << srsly.
1025656;1424443357;mircea_popescu;saifedean: in pdf << BingoBoingo you got that pdf converter thing anymore ?
1025657;1424443376;BingoBoingo;http://document.online-convert.com/convert-to-txt
1025658;1424443377;assbot;Convert documents to TXT ... ( http://bit.ly/1z5lQ38 )
1025659;1424443413;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 74179 @ 0.00039264 = 29.1256 BTC [-] {3} 
1025660;1424443429;mircea_popescu;ty!
1025661;1424443433;mircea_popescu;so anyone wants to make a poker site ?
1025662;1424443534;dignork;mircea_popescu: I'd love to, but currently I fail to see how to handle collusion, if player's identity is not WoT based
1025663;1424443574;mircea_popescu;dignork to that problem i have a solution./
1025664;1424443604;mircea_popescu;all that's needed really is an excellent coder willing to admin it long term.
1025665;1424443606;BingoBoingo;scoopbot -fetch
1025666;1424443616;scoopbot;New post on Qntra.net by Bingo Boingo: http://qntra.net/2015/02/the-superfish-funder-list/
1025667;1424443640;mircea_popescu;;;later tell saifadean why is it feb 2015 ?!
1025668;1424443640;gribble;The operation succeeded.
1025669;1424443650;mircea_popescu;a new posting, i see.
1025670;1424443659;dignork;mircea_popescu: collusion is discovered in the long run, afer the fact, f you can't ban/punish the player, code quality won't help :(
1025671;1424443688;dignork;you could require an escrow for each player though
1025672;1424443704;mircea_popescu;dude, if i tell you it's solved... what, want me to pay you an escrow on it ?
1025673;1424443764;mircea_popescu;danielpbarron: height=210431 vs height=186701 << is it about 10k a day or am i sorely misreading the numbers ?
1025674;1424443814;mircea_popescu;"A YouTube representative called this revision a clarification of its existing policy, one that occurred late last year, intended to prevent advertiser conflicts and ensure viewers don�t feel bombarded by ads. Paul Kontonis, executive director of the Global Online Video Association, however framed it as an explicit change that prevents YouTube stars and multichannel networks from working prominent sponsor logos and i
1025675;1424443814;mircea_popescu;mages into their videos without handing Google a cut of the revenue."
1025676;1424443822;dignork;nah, the site should be self-sufficient imho, but I'd love to hear the solution though :)
1025677;1424443832;mircea_popescu;the fucking lesson of "do not create content on a platorm you don't control" is never being learned is it.
1025678;1424443955;BingoBoingo;It really isn't ever being learned
1025679;1424443994;mircea_popescu;"its easier" "consumers have come to expect" etc.
1025680;1424443997;BingoBoingo;And here I was thinking Geocities had taught everyone that lesson while it still lived
1025681;1424444033;mircea_popescu;problem is that everyone meanwhile internet-died.
1025682;1424444040;mircea_popescu;new generation of mouthbreathers every what, 5 years ?
1025683;1424444054;mircea_popescu;dignork cool, but what i'm really looking for is someone to do the site.
1025684;1424444056;BingoBoingo;Prolly 4 is the safer number
1025685;1424444112;mircea_popescu;http://41.media.tumblr.com/8b01b15fdd22f1a52427c6e3538d4974/tumblr_njsa1fALnw1s25aalo1_500.jpg << bwahahaha
1025686;1424444113;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1z5mn55 )
1025687;1424444197;dignork;mircea_popescu: I can't currently handle it myself, but I can bring a friend and we'll split the work, would you be interested to cooperate?
1025688;1424444222;mircea_popescu;well... the problem is the previous attempt failed on pretty much exactly the same lines. who is this friend, why's he not in the wot etc.
1025689;1424444270;BingoBoingo;https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/2wjvat/tim_draper_usms_auction_winner_superfish_funder/
1025690;1424444272;assbot;Tim Draper USMS Auction Winner Superfish Funder : Bitcoin ... ( http://bit.ly/1z5ms96 )
1025691;1424444275;chetty;http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2015/feb/19/nsa-gchq-sim-card-billions-cellphones-hacking
1025692;1424444277;assbot;Sim card database hack gave US and UK spies access to billions of cellphones | US news | The Guardian ... ( http://bit.ly/1z5mv4z )
1025693;1424444292;mircea_popescu;noooo, you're telling me tim draper "won" the "auciton" ? again ?
1025694;1424444296;mircea_popescu;the one that really really happened ?
1025695;1424444305;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: He won the first one.
1025696;1424444310;mircea_popescu;"won" "one".
1025697;1424444315;mircea_popescu;that... also didn't happen.
1025698;1424444319;BingoBoingo;Got part of the second one. Third is yet to come
1025699;1424444347;BingoBoingo;They were said to have happened and Tim Draper's name came out of the hat more than once.
1025700;1424444363;mircea_popescu;yeah yeah, i recall, the usms "auction" where they forgot to publish the results, in spite of foia, and their late promise to respect foia on an arbitrary extralegal self appointed date.
1025701;1424444378;BingoBoingo;Indeed
1025702;1424444387;mircea_popescu;credibility could be lower.
1025703;1424444409;mircea_popescu;but i think it'd pretty much require best kim involvement for that result.
1025704;1424444451;BingoBoingo;Don't think they'd waste her ass on this. Maybe second or third best kim.
1025705;1424444503;mircea_popescu;best kim, korea kim.
1025706;1424444540;mircea_popescu;what's his name, the kidnapped guy. jongun' ?
1025707;1424444556;BingoBoingo;Ah, that one.
1025708;1424444640;BingoBoingo;Armenian Kim has the better, if somewhat smaller ass.
1025709;1424444661;mircea_popescu;lol
1025710;1424444690;mircea_popescu;that guy is nuts btw, check this out : he kicked his uncle out of power, if you recall ? the guy who pretty much made him succeed.
1025711;1424444706;mircea_popescu;then killed his kids, then the kids' kids, like fiddy bodies by now.
1025712;1424444726;mircea_popescu;somehow THIS is acceptable to the "democratic west". what wasn't acceptable was you know, gaddafi an' his harem.
1025713;1424444771;BingoBoingo;Right. Then again gaddafi was a softer target
1025714;1424444805;mircea_popescu;dubious.
1025715;1424444846;BingoBoingo;Well, for some definitions of soft.
1025716;1424444850;asciilifeform;chetty: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=19-02-2015#1024948 << re: sim card thing
1025717;1424444850;assbot;Logged on 19-02-2015 20:48:27; ascii_field: great sim heist << transparent nsa smokescreen. gsm uses toy crypto since day one (usg mandate) and has always been breakable with minimal effort.
1025718;1424444893;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: didja watch them do it?
1025719;1424444909;mircea_popescu;who do what ?
1025720;1424444917;asciilifeform;north kr executions
1025721;1424444939;chetty;asciilifeform, ploy to get people to update to the ones they nice backdoors to?
1025722;1424444943;mircea_popescu;mno. for that matter, i didn't watch my own birth happen, either.
1025723;1424444947;asciilifeform;because i didn't. and i don't believe a word out of the usg shills that is south kr.
1025724;1424444964;asciilifeform;if south kr prints 'sky in north kr is blue' it's worth an independent test.
1025725;1424444974;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform but same holds for gaddafi ?
1025726;1424444983;mircea_popescu;notice i'm limiting myself to relative statements ?
1025727;1424444999;asciilifeform;absolutely same
1025728;1424445023;asciilifeform;except the funny part is that he was pathologically generous to his subjects
1025729;1424445030;mircea_popescu;my point is... they who tell the story and then act on the story are responsible toanswer as to their own consistency.
1025730;1424445037;asciilifeform;aha
1025731;1424445043;asciilifeform;bosnia/crimea.
1025732;1424445081;mircea_popescu;haha it is kinda reversed huh ? democrat pres clinton supported one side in the serb-bosnian conflict,
1025733;1424445093;mircea_popescu;dem pres obama supports the OTHER side in the ukr conflict.
1025734;1424445106;asciilifeform;no secret to any ru folks - why.
1025735;1424445112;mircea_popescu;i guess social sciences have made some progresses over the years ?
1025736;1424445132;mircea_popescu;(dja know the joke with "what, you think medicine has not progressed in the interval ?!?!")
1025737;1424445177;mircea_popescu;"WizSec has been investigating the MtGox crash since soon after it occurred, making us probably the longest running non-official investigation."
1025738;1424445181;mircea_popescu;who thefuck is this again ?
1025739;1424445205;asciilifeform;chetty: more complicated. ploy to stave off genuine voice channel crypto indefinitely through 'aha see they foiled usg plot, go back to using traditional phone'
1025740;1424445412;pete_dushenski;mircea_popescu: so anyone wants to make a poker site ? << actually yes.
1025741;1424445427;mircea_popescu;ok but can you code ?!
1025742;1424445437;pete_dushenski;lol no!
1025743;1424445446;asciilifeform;l0l
1025744;1424445451;mircea_popescu;well...
1025745;1424445462;mike_c;just use wordpress
1025746;1424445465;BingoBoingo;!b 6
1025747;1424445466;assbot;Last 6 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/11J7TQ9.txt )
1025748;1424445466;asciilifeform;pete_dushenski: do it in 'ada' !
1025749;1424445477;mircea_popescu;jesus fuck mike_c's snide is like kakobrekla level :D
1025750;1424445494;pete_dushenski;mike_c: don't tempt me
1025751;1424445494;mike_c;kindred spirits :)
1025752;1424445517;mircea_popescu;"every hand can be a new post. and hwat, you password protect it, so there's security"
1025753;1424445541;pete_dushenski;asciilifeform: like teh boeing 777 ?
1025754;1424445548;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15929 @ 0.00039564 = 6.3021 BTC [+]
1025755;1424445574;pete_dushenski;"and every comment is a check, raise, or fold
1025756;1424445575;pete_dushenski;"
1025757;1424445583;BingoBoingo;Feed the comment spam to the RNG
1025758;1424445586;asciilifeform;pete_dushenski: like most machines containing large pile of potential corpses during normal operatio
1025759;1424445587;asciilifeform;n
1025760;1424445607;pete_dushenski;BingoBoingo: not random enough ;)
1025761;1424445621;mircea_popescu;http://www.nationalreview.com/article/398852/harvard-law-prof-student-banned-areas-campus-resembling-classmates-rapist-katherine << this is the law of all time.
1025762;1424445622;assbot;National Review ... ( http://bit.ly/1z5nK3Q )
1025763;1424445627;mircea_popescu;and by law i mean us law, also known as lol.
1025764;1424445646;pete_dushenski;lawl
1025765;1424445651;asciilifeform;dead link ?
1025766;1424445660;mircea_popescu;they beleeted it ?!
1025767;1424445669;mircea_popescu;http://reason.com/blog/2015/02/19/male-student-banned-from-campus-because
1025768;1424445671;assbot;Male Student Allegedly Banned from Campus Because His Resemblance to a Rapist Was Triggering? - Hit & Run : Reason.com ... ( http://bit.ly/1z5nPVa )
1025769;1424445755;pete_dushenski;he could've offered to wear a ski mask to class
1025770;1424445785;mircea_popescu;"t�s devastating to think of a student being unable to walk around campus without having to risk being traumatized by reminders of her rape."
1025771;1424445786;mircea_popescu;wait, what ?
1025772;1424445793;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18639 @ 0.00040797 = 7.6042 BTC [+]
1025773;1424445805;mircea_popescu;who the fuck asked the stupid bitch. if she can't come to terms with the world she should stay in the asylum
1025774;1424445825;asciilifeform;when napoleon is in the asylum - harmless
1025775;1424445827;pete_dushenski;typical "make the world conform to me so it's more fair"
1025776;1424445829;mircea_popescu;that's the way this world works : normally adjusted individuals on the street, individuals who for whatever reason can't cope, in the coop.
1025777;1424445834;pete_dushenski;like bitcoin = visa
1025778;1424445838;asciilifeform;but picture a shadowy 'someone' were to let him out and actually crown him.
1025779;1424445845;asciilifeform;^ that is usa.
1025780;1424445854;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26761 @ 0.0004106 = 10.9881 BTC [+] {3} 
1025781;1424445882;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform then they wonder why they have to pay people immense sums to keep secrets that still don't, and i don't have to pay them anything other than "yeah, yeah, i'll stick it to those dudes".
1025782;1424445893;mircea_popescu;not that i mind the arrangement... but in absolute fairness it IS stupid as all fuck.
1025783;1424445903;asciilifeform;when do we see some -real- secrets
1025784;1424445920;mircea_popescu;probably after the rapture.
1025785;1424445924;asciilifeform;rupture.
1025786;1424445942;mircea_popescu;also.
1025787;1424445952;mircea_popescu;fun fact : rapt means rape, in latin
1025788;1424446037;pete_dushenski;and i suppose sluttery means slavery in latin
1025789;1424446040;asciilifeform;at any rate, the scandal described in the link is fantastic enough that one ought to ask for some public record suggesting it actually happened
1025790;1424446057;mircea_popescu;pete_dushenski raptus, look it up.
1025791;1424446076;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform no because see, "to protect identities" this is not reported.
1025792;1424446089;pete_dushenski;mircea_popescu: o i believe!
1025793;1424446092;asciilifeform;the court order presumably exists somewhere
1025794;1424446094;asciilifeform;(or doesn't)
1025795;1424446119;mircea_popescu;they've really built the most hallucinant re-enaction of the soviets : the guy doesn't have the right to anything EXCEPT he has the right for no one to know how the government fucked him over.
1025796;1424446151;asciilifeform;so, what, are we to believe he was 'national security' gagged ?
1025797;1424446163;asciilifeform;or simply doesn't feel like making his humiliation public
1025798;1424446167;asciilifeform;or which is it
1025799;1424446201;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform my construction (which obviously could be wrong) is that "the authorities" refuse to disclose it "citing privacy concerns"
1025800;1424446204;mircea_popescu;that's it.
1025801;1424446210;asciilifeform;related: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=05-03-2014#547017
1025802;1424446210;assbot;Logged on 05-03-2014 02:47:31; asciilifeform: there is a related soviet joke. abramowitch (generic jew, not the oligarch) calls a friend who was over for dinner last night:
1025803;1424446319;mircea_popescu;timeout waiting for punchline
1025804;1424446347;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=05-03-2014#547018 http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=05-03-2014#547019 http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=05-03-2014#547020
1025805;1424446347;assbot;Logged on 05-03-2014 02:47:40; asciilifeform: 'we're short of a few silver spoons. shame on you';
1025806;1424446347;assbot;Logged on 05-03-2014 02:47:46; asciilifeform: friend denies
1025807;1424446347;assbot;Logged on 05-03-2014 02:48:01; asciilifeform: next day, A calls again 'we found the spoons. but the stain on your reputation... it remains.'
1025808;1424446356;danielpbarron;is it about 10k a day <<  more like 5k:  183012, 189051, 194563, 200106, 204520, 210431
1025809;1424446378;mircea_popescu;danielpbarron which setup is this again ? pogo and sata ?
1025810;1424446393;danielpbarron;ya
1025811;1424446412;danielpbarron;5.3G    .bitcoin/      vs       39.0G   .bitcoin/   on my full node
1025812;1424446423;danielpbarron;so about 1/8 of the way?
1025813;1424446427;mircea_popescu;so like 15% done in a week or so ?
1025814;1424446431;danielpbarron;yeh
1025815;1424446434;danielpbarron;not too shabby
1025816;1424446442;danielpbarron;should take 2 months in my estimation
1025817;1424446454;asciilifeform;wai wat
1025818;1424446455;danielpbarron;but this is on the systemd archlinux BS
1025819;1424446458;mircea_popescu;depends how it behaves towards the end.
1025820;1424446461;danielpbarron;maybe it speeds up with a cleaner install
1025821;1424446467;asciilifeform;mine took <2wks on same
1025822;1424446476;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform he's on an arch something
1025823;1424446480;asciilifeform;so was i
1025824;1424446482;danielpbarron;your pogo is fully synced?
1025825;1424446491;asciilifeform;ah wait
1025826;1424446498;asciilifeform;thinking of other box
1025827;1424446505;asciilifeform;pogo was not.
1025828;1424446509;asciilifeform;nm
1025829;1424446525;*;asciilifeform still waking up...
1025830;1424446528;danielpbarron;also this is with 2 gigs of swap killing the drive
1025831;1424446555;danielpbarron;even with the swap, it occasionally crashes
1025832;1424446593;mircea_popescu;heh.
1025833;1424446595;danielpbarron;also: yay WoT poker!
1025834;1424446601;*;asciilifeform again states for the record that the notion of running a proggy with unbounded memory consumption is a laugh
1025835;1424446606;mircea_popescu;hopefully this alleviates with better pogo density on the network.
1025836;1424446621;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform at the time this was put in, the blockchain was mb not gb.
1025837;1424446625;danielpbarron;it is totally possible to prevent collusion
1025838;1424446636;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: i know why it's there
1025839;1424446640;danielpbarron;all the times i called into Micon's stupid podcast i was trying to get him to integrate the WoT
1025840;1424446646;asciilifeform;but the notion of releasing such a thing now, is a laugh.
1025841;1424446652;mircea_popescu;danielpbarron micon suffers from the dk problem.
1025842;1424446660;mircea_popescu;he means well, but he doesn't have the tools to examine himself with.
1025843;1424446684;danielpbarron;i sent him a tweet reminding him you tried offering him a job last year; maybe this mess has snapped him out of it
1025844;1424446722;BingoBoingo;danielpbarron: The Seals release on the matter makes it seem he's clearly already decided on a course of action
1025845;1424446738;*;asciilifeform dares to make the observation that more competent folks would turn out for these jobs if there was a possibility they might be able to live off such
1025846;1424446740;danielpbarron;well he's saying that now; looks like face-saving
1025847;1424446781;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform i need that like i need more women that'd date me if i paid them a salary for it.
1025848;1424446789;danielpbarron;a legit collusion free poker site would make a lot of money; seals wasn't dying for lack of players. they just all flocked to pokerstars play money where collusion was not profitable
1025849;1424446820;asciilifeform;(obligatory naggum: http://www.xach.com/naggum/articles/3217750625724755@naggum.net.html )
1025850;1424446821;assbot;Re: realistic but short and simple LISP examples? - Naggum cll archive ... ( http://bit.ly/1z5oQfV )
1025851;1424446855;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: you feed'em dontcha
1025852;1424446864;danielpbarron;people have actually been BUYING play chips that they cannot cash out
1025853;1424446876;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: or do your pets get sent out to work day jobs
1025854;1424446889;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform dating !=
1025855;1424446893;asciilifeform;aha
1025856;1424446995;mircea_popescu;early days of the republic are ALL ABOUT barriers to entry.
1025857;1424447016;mircea_popescu;a decade later or w/e, the world can be as full of "i too could have been in" as it pleases, for all the good it'll do anyone.
1025858;1424447027;mircea_popescu;"no you schmuck, you couldn't. as proven by ? didn't."
1025859;1424447033;mircea_popescu;just like bitcoin works.
1025860;1424447041;pete_dushenski;classic "i coulda been a contender"
1025861;1424447044;mircea_popescu;classic.
1025862;1424447070;pete_dushenski;danielpbarron: we'll get wot poker eventually
1025863;1424447088;pete_dushenski;if it takes me 5 years to learn how to code, by golly i'll do it
1025864;1424447105;mircea_popescu;not a very good first project in any case.
1025865;1424447125;pete_dushenski;a better one would be ... ?
1025866;1424447132;danielpbarron;a working scoopbot :p
1025867;1424447139;pete_dushenski;lol!
1025868;1424447141;ben_vulpes;noshit
1025869;1424447172;ben_vulpes;pete_dushenski: not a bad plan
1025870;1424447176;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform and then when we start hiring, we hire slaves, like anyone hiring. and then the slave-born cry and whine that "oh look, bitcoin's no better".
1025871;1424447181;mircea_popescu;well... not for them. nor should it be.
1025872;1424447205;*;ben_vulpes returns to the rocket blueprints
1025873;1424447282;mircea_popescu;pete_dushenski no but he has a point. making an irc bot excellent coding exercise. i agree, good 1st time thing for intelligent person.
1025874;1424447352;ben_vulpes;first, use a bot in whatever language
1025875;1424447352;ben_vulpes;then
1025876;1424447357;ben_vulpes;write your own bot client
1025877;1424447363;pete_dushenski;mircea_popescu: the idea had crossed my mind
1025878;1424447371;BingoBoingo;https://www.insidehighered.com/news/2015/02/20/financial-aid-director-north-idaho-college-arrested-offering-scholarships-sex
1025879;1424447374;assbot;Financial aid director at North Idaho College arrested for offering scholarships for sex @insidehighered ... ( http://bit.ly/1z5pvhy )
1025880;1424447379;mircea_popescu;hahaha
1025881;1424447380;ben_vulpes;the curve is full of these oom steps up in complexity
1025882;1424447385;danielpbarron;fwiw, i have actually coded things that worked before; I made my own minecraft plugin that used a database to keep track of credit/debt between players when they took items from chests / it broke when an update totally revamped the inventory control system and I abandoned it / also, it was java :/
1025883;1424447386;mircea_popescu;who the fuck wants to go to college in north idaho.
1025884;1424447397;mircea_popescu;that guy was probably doing them a favour, whoever they were.
1025885;1424447406;BingoBoingo;Seriously
1025886;1424447437;mircea_popescu;"The financial aid director at North Idaho College was arrested this month and fired for offering to trade scholarships for sex with a student. However, the student wasn't real.
1025887;1424447438;mircea_popescu;Joseph Bekken was arrested and jailed on charged of attempted misuse of public funds, attempted procurement of prostitution, burglary, using a computer in a scheme to defraud and bribery."
1025888;1424447440;BingoBoingo;Place is almost Canada
1025889;1424447442;mircea_popescu;law
1025890;1424447472;ben_vulpes;danielpbarron: and you avoided letting it trap you
1025891;1424447473;ben_vulpes;good job
1025892;1424447501;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22651 @ 0.00040734 = 9.2267 BTC [-]
1025893;1424447511;danielpbarron;i also coded a thing that would simulate players having to learn each other's language by speaking to each other to build up understanding; had the effect where a group of friends could talk in long sentences that strangers couldn't understand; strangers would have to talk in very short lines like "yes" "no" "here" in order to understand each other
1025894;1424447534;mircea_popescu;wait. what ?!
1025895;1424447548;danielpbarron;that part of it ended up being my favorite part; it worked very very well
1025896;1424447551;mircea_popescu;"oh, i also built natural language ai"
1025897;1424447564;thestringpuller;cazalla: yea. "jump starting game economy"
1025898;1424447574;danielpbarron;it would scramble lines based on how many words you had already seen from that player
1025899;1424447577;mircea_popescu;danielpbarron how did this work then ?
1025900;1424447581;mircea_popescu;uhm.
1025901;1424447597;danielpbarron;i think i still have the code lying around somewhere; i'll try to find it
1025902;1424447629;ben_vulpes;is anyone familiar with these white "ceramic" "nonstick" pans?
1025903;1424447641;mircea_popescu;silverstone or something else ?
1025904;1424447706;ben_vulpes;yeeeah.
1025905;1424447720;ben_vulpes;shit's going to nuke my testes somehow, right?
1025906;1424447732;mike_c;collusion-free poker is nice, but I think bots are more the problem.
1025907;1424447732;mircea_popescu;nah
1025908;1424447742;danielpbarron;http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=j662qaj8
1025909;1424447743;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1DADlQD )
1025910;1424447752;mircea_popescu;it's been a decent replacement for teflon for a while now.
1025911;1424447760;mike_c;most collusion isn't as profitable as one might think (if at all)
1025912;1424447785;ben_vulpes;i don't trust it
1025913;1424447786;mircea_popescu;mike_c you jus' sayin' or you actually thought about this ?
1025914;1424447800;ben_vulpes;technology gets worse over time not better
1025915;1424447813;danielpbarron;mike_c, bots == collusion
1025916;1424447815;mike_c;i have thought.  i have played a lot of poker in my time.
1025917;1424447831;mike_c;no, bots and collusion are entirely separate
1025918;1424447837;danielpbarron;uh.. how so?
1025919;1424447839;mircea_popescu;well so if you play 1k hands for an average of 1k a hand and come out 7k ahead is it a good game or a bad game ?
1025920;1424447870;mike_c;uh, it's a wash.
1025921;1424447872;danielpbarron;if the bots aren't colluding then it's not an issue
1025922;1424447882;mike_c;7k on $1mm wagered?
1025923;1424447897;mircea_popescu;if that's a wash...
1025924;1424447906;mike_c;statistically insignificat
1025925;1424447918;mircea_popescu;dude get out, 0.7% is exactly what you live off.
1025926;1424447920;danielpbarron;i'll gladly play against non-colluding bots any day; a bot can't out-bluff a real person; the whole point in having bots is that they share info with each other
1025927;1424447932;mike_c;over 1k hands you have no idea what your return is
1025928;1424447938;mircea_popescu;i guess we go at this the other way then : we play poker, you see five + two cards, i see five + twelve cards.
1025929;1424447939;mircea_popescu;we're even ?
1025930;1424447957;mike_c;you have to put up much more money though
1025931;1424447969;mike_c;when i lose, i lose 1x.  you lose, you lose 6x
1025932;1424447986;mircea_popescu;yeah, but i lose it to myself.
1025933;1424447995;mike_c;you are paying 6x the blinds I am
1025934;1424447999;mircea_popescu;to myself.
1025935;1424448032;mike_c;to the winner
1025936;1424448035;mike_c;(and the house)
1025937;1424448037;mircea_popescu;who is going to be...
1025938;1424448064;mircea_popescu;yes, i pay more rake. that's there but not really significant.
1025939;1424448072;mike_c;hehe
1025940;1424448077;mike_c;untrue.  rake is brutal
1025941;1424448087;dignork;mike_c: collusion is insignificat for a poker shop in financial means, it's a PR problem when discovered, and consequently the lose players/source of income.
1025942;1424448097;mircea_popescu;you've been playing poker in north idaho with college admins it seems.
1025943;1424448101;mike_c;right
1025944;1424448125;mircea_popescu;rake on 1k hands is what, 300 bux ?
1025945;1424448163;mike_c;Online?  What limit?
1025946;1424448177;mircea_popescu;just generally. poker hand is a commodity, like pork bellies.
1025947;1424448188;mircea_popescu;goes four about 30 cents these days, more or less.
1025948;1424448190;mike_c;Live rake is much higher than online.
1025949;1424448199;*;mircea_popescu shrugs
1025950;1424448200;mike_c;Live rake is $5/hand.
1025951;1424448206;mircea_popescu;you're arguing anecdote against principle here.
1025952;1424448228;mircea_popescu;live rake is not going to have 6 man collusion either, is it!
1025953;1424448229;mike_c;No, I'm not.  the profit margins both live and online are significantly affected by rake
1025954;1424448245;mike_c;ok, so we're discussing online.  where the profit margins and the rake are smaller
1025955;1424448262;mircea_popescu;unless they were looking at making an offline site o.O
1025956;1424448288;mike_c;anyhoo.  Let me see if I can dig up some real stats.
1025957;1424448300;BingoBoingo;Poker over numbers station
1025958;1424448305;dignork;danielpbarron: most bots do not collude - they make more money on the long run by playing with fish on small stakes. But yes, theoretically they could collude. It's just they are more profitable when they are not.
1025959;1424448343;danielpbarron;dignork, i don't see what the problem is with a bot that doesn't collude
1025960;1424448355;nubbins`;re: cryptosporidium
1025961;1424448370;nubbins`;this is one of the nicer pieces of kit i've picked up over years of outdoorsyness:
1025962;1424448373;nubbins`;;;google steripen
1025963;1424448373;gribble;SteriPEN Water Purification | UV Water Purification: <http://www.steripen.com/>; Amazon.com : SteriPEN Traveler Portable, Handheld UV Water ...: <http://www.amazon.com/SteriPEN-Traveler-Portable-Handheld-Purifier/dp/B0041EB6EU>; SteriPEN Adventurer Opti Water Purifier - REI.com: <http://www.rei.com/product/799003/steripen-adventurer-opti-water-purifier>
1025964;1424448413;mike_c;Pokerstars has $3 cap at common no-limit games
1025965;1424448415;danielpbarron;if someone's in the WoT and they want a bot to play for them, I say go for it
1025966;1424448422;dignork;danielpbarron: me either, but most players assume that bots are evil, hence all this bot-hunting madness
1025967;1424448438;mike_c;figure 80 hands/hour, avg $1 cap, 6 players at table (5 colluding)
1025968;1424448452;mike_c;;;calc 80*5/6
1025969;1424448453;gribble;66.6666666667
1025970;1424448471;mike_c;colluders are paying $66 an hour to play at a $1/$2 no-limit game
1025971;1424448483;mircea_popescu;why "avg" ? you always fill the table. why "80" ? bot plays all the tables. all of them.
1025972;1424448496;mike_c;average because max rake isn't every hand
1025973;1424448515;mike_c;80 because that's a common number of hands per hour at online
1025974;1424448529;mircea_popescu;...
1025975;1424448534;mike_c;... what?
1025976;1424448539;nubbins`;alos, dat lenovo
1025977;1424448541;nubbins`;*also
1025978;1424448552;mircea_popescu;mike_c the.bot.fills.all.the.tables.
1025979;1424448558;nubbins`;i taught my roomie about CAs yesterday using them as an example
1025980;1424448561;mike_c;then who the fuck is it making money off of?
1025981;1424448563;nubbins`;guy likes to learn
1025982;1424448566;mircea_popescu;if you have 500 human players, you're running 500 tables, with a total of 3k "players"
1025983;1424448568;BingoBoingo;nubbins`: Don't worry Draper's been Indicted http://qntra.net/2015/02/the-superfish-funder-list/
1025984;1424448569;assbot;The Superfish Funder List | Qntra.net ... ( http://bit.ly/1DAGe3I )
1025985;1424448577;nubbins`;sweet
1025986;1424448592;*;dignork eagerly waits for the day when there will be a discovery on diddles bios on Lenovo
1025987;1424448595;mike_c;Yeah, exactly.  so we're talking about one table with me and 5 of your stupid bots colluding.
1025988;1424448600;mircea_popescu;ok.
1025989;1424448628;mike_c;to be clear, are you the site operator or just some other player running these bots?
1025990;1424448644;mircea_popescu;this is like asking "who sent this bitcoin transaction"
1025991;1424448645;mike_c;and also to be clear, i am talking about collusion, not bots.
1025992;1424448646;nubbins`;i used to work for a national insurance company, every corporate machine was a lenovo
1025993;1424448665;nubbins`;but they also didn't hash passwords, instead opting to store them in plain text
1025994;1424448667;nubbins`;so... shrug.
1025995;1424448669;mike_c;because my whole point was bots are the problem, not collusion.
1025996;1424448687;mircea_popescu;mike_c collusion and bots are different topics. however, because collusion offers a small but systematic bonus, it's what makes bots always win. in the .5 to 1.5% range, depending.
1025997;1424448725;mike_c;that is not what makes bots win.  it simply gives bots a small bump over what their skill would be otherwise.
1025998;1424448729;mircea_popescu;but if you want a statistical model, play with someone like this : three cards face up, two in the hole for you, two in the hole for them, a ten card window for them you can't see.
1025999;1424448733;mircea_popescu;see if you ever win.
1026000;1424448741;mircea_popescu;bots have no skill.
1026001;1424448742;mike_c;for example, a bot will destroy you in headsup hold'em because it is now a solved problem.
1026002;1424448754;mircea_popescu;hah. no it won't.
1026003;1424448758;mike_c;yes, it will
1026004;1424448765;*;mircea_popescu handgesture
1026005;1424448773;mike_c;hand gesture my nuts.  it's solved.
1026006;1424448782;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12449 @ 0.00040734 = 5.071 BTC [-]
1026007;1424448806;mircea_popescu;look, i saw the al\berta thing
1026008;1424448824;mike_c;i saw it 15 years ago
1026009;1424448837;danielpbarron;if you realize you are heads up against a bot, couldn't you use its algorithm against it?
1026010;1424448838;mike_c;what's the emoticon for sticking a tongue out?
1026011;1424448842;thestringpuller;mircea_popescu: gladly suck our cock if only we a) didn't bang hotties  and b) validated their self-hottie delusions. << These are usually the girls who start false accusing despite being squelched.
1026012;1424448843;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8801 @ 0.00040088 = 3.5281 BTC [-]
1026013;1424448846;mike_c;danielpbarron: no. that's what solved means.
1026014;1424448865;mike_c;you going to beat a bot at tic-tac-toe because you know its algorithm?
1026015;1424448868;danielpbarron;solved as in a mathematical proof?
1026016;1424448877;danielpbarron;tic-tac-toe isn't poker
1026017;1424448891;mike_c;and heads-up poker isn't 6 person poker.
1026018;1424448899;mircea_popescu;danielpbarron �We define a game to be essentially solved if a lifetime of play is unable to statistically differentiate it from being solved at 95% confidence,�
1026019;1424448910;mike_c;you think you can beat it, there are machines in vegas where you can play against it for real money
1026020;1424448943;mircea_popescu;why would i personally play against a machine ?!
1026021;1424448949;mike_c;that was for danielpbarron
1026022;1424448959;danielpbarron;for the sake of argument, say heads up is broken; no heads up!
1026023;1424448970;mike_c;my point was collusion isn't what makes a bot win.
1026024;1424448988;mike_c;a bot's winrate can be bumped up by collusion, but it is far from the biggest factor in its success or failure
1026025;1424448989;mircea_popescu;mike_c a bot that knows the distribution tables really well has an edge. sure.
1026026;1424449087;mike_c;but, this argument aside, the point of bringing it up - does your solution handle the bot problem?
1026027;1424449096;mike_c;because that would be interesting.
1026028;1424449102;mike_c;collusion is whatever
1026029;1424449106;danielpbarron;all of this is a moot point anyway if the pre-requisite for playing is being in the WoT
1026030;1424449123;mircea_popescu;mike_c also, they play limit headsup, which... nobody plays.
1026031;1424449130;mike_c;no limit too
1026032;1424449134;mircea_popescu;mike_c yes, it does.
1026033;1424449148;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16500 @ 0.0004119 = 6.7964 BTC [+] {2} 
1026034;1424449150;mike_c;and why does nobody play no-limit headsup anymore? and limit?  because of this.
1026035;1424449151;nubbins`;if the pre-req for playing is being in the WoT, the games are gonna suck
1026036;1424449164;mike_c;people love headsup, but nobody will play online anymore cuz bots.
1026037;1424449170;danielpbarron;well now i feel like a dick for having recommended people play only heads up to prevent collusion
1026038;1424449173;mike_c;obviously it's not b/c collusion
1026039;1424449213;danielpbarron;nubbins`, uh.. what/? when I play face-to-face it's WoT poker
1026040;1424449226;danielpbarron;i only play with people I know, or someone i trust knows
1026041;1424449231;BingoBoingo;Anyways the problem with bots in poker is they don't respond appropriately when you are drinking and talking shit at the table
1026042;1424449237;mike_c;hehe
1026043;1424449248;mike_c;solvable problem.  run 50 bots and pay somebody to sit and chat
1026044;1424449254;mircea_popescu;also they don't have boobs.
1026045;1424449261;BingoBoingo;^
1026046;1424449264;mike_c;looks no different from the nuts who don't use bots and multi-table ridiculously
1026047;1424449296;dignork;BingoBoingo: they don't, so you have one dude faking bot's responses for 10s of them.
1026048;1424449298;danielpbarron;"if the pre-req for chatting on irc is being in the WoT, the chat is gonna suck"
1026049;1424449333;mike_c;i don't know that wot solves it all.  so we start neg-rating on suspicion of bot use?
1026050;1424449348;BingoBoingo;dignork: Mind blown
1026051;1424449390;dignork;mike_c: you don't have to neg-rate them, just abn them from poker site
1026052;1424449392;danielpbarron;if you suspect someone is cheating, do you want to play with them?
1026053;1424449393;mircea_popescu;http://33.media.tumblr.com/9d5116c2d828ae560caadf105914b827/tumblr_njrjtwwKB61rdc5oto1_400.gif << there's no end to automation.
1026054;1424449396;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1DAJex2 )
1026055;1424449401;mike_c;dignork: on what?  suscpicions?
1026056;1424449439;mike_c;danielpbarron: but this problem is solved by weekly home game.  online poker is different.
1026057;1424449451;mike_c;you are more meant to play with strangers
1026058;1424449461;danielpbarron;i don't see how it's any ddifferent; i wish i could play online with my weekly poker buddies
1026059;1424449464;mircea_popescu;you are "meant" ?
1026060;1424449466;mike_c;so i'm playing with stranger, he runs good or makes a couple good bluffs, and so i negrate him?
1026061;1424449473;danielpbarron;in fact we figured out a way with pokerstars home game
1026062;1424449475;dignork;mike_c: yep, it's close to impossible to get a hard proof, but statistical violations are good enough, with a very small false positives.
1026063;1424449478;mike_c;yeah "meant". otherwise it fails as business
1026064;1424449488;mircea_popescu;i had no idea you were so teleological.
1026065;1424449495;mike_c;dignork: over the long long long term only.
1026066;1424449504;BingoBoingo;!up mats
1026067;1424449509;nubbins`;<+danielpbarron> "if the pre-req for chatting on irc is being in the WoT, the chat is gonna suck" <<< *cough*
1026068;1424449515;nubbins`;8)
1026069;1424449521;dignork;mike_c: well, define "long". 100 hands? 200?
1026070;1424449535;mike_c;no, that's the problem.  more like 1mm.
1026071;1424449541;danielpbarron;mike_c, you don't play with strangers, unless they are vouched for by someone you know
1026072;1424449586;mike_c;idk, i am unconvinced.  of course, we are assuming the solution here which mp hasn't specified.
1026073;1424449638;danielpbarron;my recommendation to Micon wasn't even to bar access based on WoT, but to just give players option to link to WoT identity so that I can make the determination myself
1026074;1424449693;mircea_popescu;!up bitspill
1026075;1424449697;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 56650 @ 0.00041367 = 23.4344 BTC [+] {2} 
1026076;1424449754;danielpbarron;and tournaments could have something like assbot to limit who can join
1026077;1424449765;mike_c;mircea_popescu: not teleology, I just don't see how a poker site gets enough traffic if the only problem it solves is "we'll host your weekly poker game".
1026078;1424449795;danielpbarron;weekly can be daily when we don't have to drive miles to get to the game
1026079;1424449802;mircea_popescu;i also don't see how email will ever get enough interest if the only problem it solves ios "we'll save you the 9.95 a plastic maibox costs"
1026080;1424449806;mike_c;the sites already solve that.  i know my friend's nicks and i can play with them if i want.
1026081;1424449815;mircea_popescu;the problem with teleologists is that they misstate both the problem and the solution.
1026082;1424449822;mike_c;so restate it.
1026083;1424449836;mircea_popescu;well i intend to, depending how this dignork thing works out.
1026084;1424449898;mike_c;ok, i'll reserve comment until then.  and you're a teleologist.
1026085;1424449908;mike_c;:P
1026086;1424449952;danielpbarron;the reason the pokerstars homegame thing didn't work out so well is we could only do tournaments; there was no way to do cash games
1026087;1424449991;danielpbarron;not that they don't have a cash game option, but it would let players rebuy without any accounting, which made linking to bitcoin impossible
1026088;1424450066;danielpbarron;plus, if that ever took off i'm sure pokerstars would have killed it
1026089;1424450079;danielpbarron;not a good idea to rely on someone else's thing
1026090;1424450087;nubbins`;^
1026091;1424450117;nubbins`;if there's one lesson bitcoin teaches people mercilessly...
1026092;1424450134;BingoBoingo;!b 4
1026093;1424450135;assbot;Last 4 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/3MC2ZKW.txt )
1026094;1424450155;BingoBoingo;nubbins`: Any new lazerdude drama?
1026095;1424450191;nubbins`;nah
1026096;1424450204;nubbins`;now it's mostly me just antagonizing TECSHARE
1026097;1424450244;mats;BingoBoingo: you ever get any of my PMs?
1026098;1424450317;BingoBoingo;mats not recently
1026099;1424450459;mats;http://www.wsj.com/articles/SB113236377590902105
1026100;1424450460;assbot;      The New White Flight - WSJ     ... ( http://bit.ly/1DAMKYg )
1026101;1424450504;mircea_popescu;<nubbins`> if there's one lesson bitcoin teaches people mercilessly... << exactly. "if you don;t know the owner, the thing doesn;t exist". exactly contrary to how the us currently works, all impersonal and "it's our policy" and bs.
1026102;1424450613;mircea_popescu;soo... if i want some laser handcarved items that were cut out of a log with an axe by adrunk sailor
1026103;1424450617;mircea_popescu;where do i go now ?
1026104;1424450861;nubbins`;prolly shoot him a PM
1026105;1424450872;nubbins`;i doubt he stopped checking the forum ;p
1026106;1424450902;nubbins`;also FWIW
1026107;1424450908;nubbins`;oh fuck hold on
1026108;1424450917;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14429 @ 0.00040088 = 5.7843 BTC [-]
1026109;1424450964;nubbins`;;;buy 1 "Collection of laser-cut wood items" @ 0 BTC PM for details
1026110;1424450965;gribble;Order id 22024 created.
1026111;1424451015;mircea_popescu;should have bought it for 0 hands
1026112;1424451060;mircea_popescu;http://40.media.tumblr.com/5afb4d44dd406060ccfb7c50a3158e2b/tumblr_njmjri6twD1rdc5oto3_1280.jpg hegre ftw.
1026113;1424451061;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1DAP0yJ )
1026114;1424451840;mircea_popescu;!up saifedean
1026115;1424451867;saifedean;good evening, b/a
1026116;1424451939;saifedean;it's february 2015 because i fixed it up just this week
1026117;1424451988;mircea_popescu;aha. Preliminaiy version: do not quote without author permission. << ironically, only typo is in the warning
1026118;1424452046;mircea_popescu;saifedean a particularly interesting metric, other than the 5.5bn eu / 6.5 bn us (which by now is more like 10 anyway), would be subsidy per joule.
1026119;1424452054;mircea_popescu;that's one eyepopping statistic.
1026120;1424452071;mircea_popescu;(in the case of ethanol in the us, include ALL agricultural subsidies, not just the direct for ethanol stuff)
1026121;1424452308;BingoBoingo;!up saifedean
1026122;1424452314;saifedean;in fact, if you think about it, you can't really even calculate a subsidy per joule, since the moronic process probably consumes more energy than it produces, so the more subsidies, the more joules are wasted!
1026123;1424452320;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23554 @ 0.00041519 = 9.7794 BTC [+] {2} 
1026124;1424452333;mircea_popescu;just in an administrative sense.
1026125;1424452349;saifedean;if the thing could produce more joules than it consumes, it wouldn't need so much bezzle to keep it running
1026126;1424452535;mircea_popescu;meanwhile, http://33.media.tumblr.com/1c89371b4d6a50d49843bc120cc20ddc/tumblr_nbuz4eQ8J01tg4a6no1_400.gif
1026127;1424452537;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1DAUbi0 )
1026128;1424452760;Adlai;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=20-02-2015#1025966 << true pretty much in any context... they take our jobs!
1026129;1424452760;assbot;Logged on 20-02-2015 16:07:02; dignork: danielpbarron: me either, but most players assume that bots are evil, hence all this bot-hunting madness
1026130;1424452976;thestringpuller;scoopbot -fetch
1026131;1424452981;scoopbot;New post on Qntra.net by thestringpuller: http://qntra.net/2015/02/the-dangers-of-bitcoin-trapping/
1026132;1424453005;mircea_popescu;scoopbot seems to be working fine neh ?
1026133;1424453059;danielpbarron;" speculation of the dangers of trapping "  << url broken
1026134;1424453088;danielpbarron;acutally it looks like all the urls are broken
1026135;1424453172;thestringpuller;ah yes. danielpbarron it seems that way for the all the links
1026136;1424453195;thestringpuller;BingoBoingo is fixing :D
1026137;1424453199;BingoBoingo;SHould all be fxd nao
1026138;1424453220;thestringpuller;mircea_popescu: scoopbot does seem to be working fine...for nao ;)
1026139;1424454155;pete_dushenski;thestringpuller: well, for some blogs...
1026140;1424454186;thestringpuller;i thought it worked for conravex?
1026141;1424454231;pete_dushenski;nah
1026142;1424454246;pete_dushenski;thestringpuller: "The overbearing regulatory climate in the US for exchanging fiat for Bitcoin seems to have similar consequences as its War on Drugs." << curious how you get here logically
1026143;1424454285;danielpbarron;b-a isn't a cult.. it's a cartel!
1026144;1424454315;pete_dushenski;thestringpuller: these brokers could have a physical shop
1026145;1424454328;pete_dushenski;with sekoority cameras and door buzzers or whatever
1026146;1424454336;pete_dushenski;like a gun/pawn shop
1026147;1424454353;pete_dushenski;there are (were?) in fact a few such operations in canada
1026148;1424454382;pete_dushenski;meeting people on the street to sell things will always bear this risk, regs or no regs
1026149;1424454397;pete_dushenski;you could be selling an ipad and have the same thing happen
1026150;1424454413;pete_dushenski;danielpbarron: i like it!
1026151;1424454431;mircea_popescu;pete_dushenski solid point.
1026152;1424454570;pete_dushenski;the cost of business is borne either way
1026153;1424454583;pete_dushenski;cost of overhead to insure against gunpoint robberies
1026154;1424454595;pete_dushenski;or cost of the odd gunpoint robbery
1026155;1424454608;pete_dushenski;cost of insurance depends on locale
1026156;1424454612;mircea_popescu;i dunno man. that 11k the guy reported lost would have paid 1year rent + hardening measures.
1026157;1424454614;BingoBoingo;!up ascii_field
1026158;1424454619;ascii_field;danke BingoBoingo
1026159;1424454638;pete_dushenski;type of people, cost of rent, cost of cams, etc
1026160;1424454672;pete_dushenski;mircea_popescu: perhaps not in nyc, or at least not manhattan
1026161;1424454676;danielpbarron;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-02-2015#1021759 << is this something i could be doing?
1026162;1424454676;assbot;Logged on 17-02-2015 03:22:43; asciilifeform: nubbins`: what state's your beast in now << stuck on crafting the ramdisk (in-ram root fs) for netbsd. as of a week ago. haven't the time, presently, to do anything
1026163;1424454701;ascii_field;danielpbarron: possibly
1026164;1424454731;danielpbarron;is "in-ram" the eeprom thing?
1026165;1424454736;ascii_field;danielpbarron: see if you are able to set up the cross-compile system (netbsd carries its own) on your box
1026166;1424454762;danielpbarron;by my box, you mean my gentoo laptop?
1026167;1424454787;danielpbarron;i'm downloading this right now -> ftp://ftp.netbsd.org/pub/NetBSD/NetBSD-6.1/source/sets/src.tgz
1026168;1424454791;ascii_field;danielpbarron: at present time there is no support whatoever for the eeprom in netbsd. this means that it can be used, but only if the userland (yes, all of it) is baked into a ramdisk baked into the kernel (which in turn is loaded by uboot in one shot at powerup)
1026169;1424454823;ascii_field;danielpbarron: the netbsd kernel and userland are sufficiently compact (vs linux) to make this a worthwhile exercise
1026170;1424454930;danielpbarron;is this something i should be able to teach myself in a reasonable amount of time?
1026171;1424454948;ascii_field;danielpbarron: you could find the bug in the netbsd ramdisk build script as well as i could
1026172;1424455012;thestringpuller;pete_dushenski: re: War on Drug << We can't buy Bitcoin without the help of Coinbase, or submitting to enemy's wishes, so alternative is to hit the streets. This is similar if not exact mentality of aspiring drug dealer wanting his own corner.
1026173;1424455032;ascii_field;mircea_popescu: asciilifeform and then when we start hiring, we hire slaves, like anyone hiring << simply wanted to point out that all of the #b-a projects (with possible exception of kakobrekla's work) are powered a hundred percent by the fiat economy's surplus - that is, free hours of various folks involved - and to some extent are at the mercy of their day job fortunes (see, e.g., the demise of moiety)
1026174;1424455056;ascii_field;!up indiancandy1
1026175;1424455060;danielpbarron;!up indiancandy1
1026176;1424455087;*;ascii_field reflex
1026177;1424455136;pete_dushenski;thestringpuller: you can't use bitstamp ? or bitcoin-otc ? or one of those schmancy atms ?
1026178;1424455148;thestringpuller;pete_dushenski: see the difference in mitigated risk between the overbearing nature of War on Drugs in state such a Virginia or Texas, vs say Colorado or Washington in regards to cannabis shops. Yes the risk involved in transit (large sums of money between shop and "bank", and transit of goods being guarded by ex military sekurity)
1026179;1424455176;thestringpuller;but the difference in resulting violence is great
1026180;1424455180;danielpbarron;well at least i'm in the fortunate position of getting my fiat stuff done in one heavy time period, leaving the rest of the year open
1026181;1424455226;danielpbarron;i can see how draining this would be if my free time was limited to a couple hours nightly
1026182;1424455254;*;ascii_field works under precisely this ^ constraint
1026183;1424455273;danielpbarron;a travesty!
1026184;1424455322;thestringpuller;pete_dushenski: I personally use bitcoin-otc but that's only because I have trusted people to sell me coin. For someone on fringes of this footprint who needs local fulfillment this creates the risk of "trapping".
1026185;1424455349;danielpbarron;people who aren't in the WoT should be concerned first with .. getting in the WoT
1026186;1424455359;thestringpuller;i'm not saying people not in WoT danielpbarron
1026187;1424455370;thestringpuller;i'm talking of people on fringes who aren't connected strong enough to make large trades at this point
1026188;1424455376;thestringpuller;because the footprint is small
1026189;1424455385;danielpbarron;they can't use escrow?
1026190;1424455413;danielpbarron;idk how large of at trade you're talking about, but i did several deals worth several thousand dollars in otc through escrow agents
1026191;1424455413;pete_dushenski;thestringpuller: the cannabis example is irrelevant because of the precise physicality of the item
1026192;1424455426;pete_dushenski;bitcoin suffers no such limitation
1026193;1424455431;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 51370 @ 0.00040029 = 20.5629 BTC [-] {2} 
1026194;1424455435;pete_dushenski;transport is simplified, storage idem
1026195;1424455451;pete_dushenski;not zero risk of course, just different
1026196;1424455467;thestringpuller;pete_dushenski: is this for digitized of physical fiat? i'm assuming former
1026197;1424455478;thestringpuller;s/of/or
1026198;1424455486;pete_dushenski;i'm talking about btc now
1026199;1424455505;fluffypony;http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/2wjacv/seals_with_clubs_the_first_bitcoin_poker_room/
1026200;1424455507;assbot;Seals with Clubs, the first Bitcoin poker room, shuts down. Funds are still safe. : Bitcoin ... ( http://bit.ly/19KBU5r )
1026201;1424455509;thestringpuller;well how do you acquire btc with cash without phsyical presence?
1026202;1424455517;fluffypony;oh
1026203;1424455519;fluffypony;already covered
1026204;1424455522;fluffypony;how did I miss that
1026205;1424455553;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25530 @ 0.00039562 = 10.1002 BTC [-] {2} 
1026206;1424455556;pete_dushenski;thestringpuller: i'm saying that a physical presence is simpler to manage for a digital asset than a physical one
1026207;1424455574;pete_dushenski;so set up a shop
1026208;1424455587;pete_dushenski;ape the gun sellers
1026209;1424455594;thestringpuller;wait huh?
1026210;1424455614;thestringpuller;yes the inventory for coin is simpler to manage but risk of gun in face is still apparent for anything valuable...
1026211;1424455644;thestringpuller;setting up a shop is what cannabis shops have done and crime rate has gone down from relaxation of regulations
1026212;1424455669;thestringpuller;i don't see how this point is irrelevant due to cannabis being a physical good and bitcoin being a digital good
1026213;1424455730;pete_dushenski;it's basically the transportation to and from the shop, requiring "ex-military sekurity"
1026214;1424455743;pete_dushenski;that's the difference
1026215;1424455758;mircea_popescu;motherfucker this guy totally beat me to the punch reviewing kerouac.
1026216;1424455770;*;mircea_popescu signs off on http://thelastpsychiatrist.com/2007/10/kerouacs_on_the_road.html 
1026217;1424455772;assbot;The Last Psychiatrist: Kerouac's On The Road: The 50th Anniversary Of A Book I Had Not Read ... ( http://bit.ly/19KDnsu )
1026218;1424455779;pete_dushenski;thestringpuller: either way, it's not illegal to sell btc, no special id required
1026219;1424455794;thestringpuller;not for floridian who is in jail
1026220;1424455796;danielpbarron;i don't get who would actually type in his password at gunpoint -- or, yet another reason to not do bitcoin from a smart phone
1026221;1424455831;thestringpuller;pete_dushenski:  http://qntra.net/2014/12/judge-rejects-florida-mans-bid-to-dismiss-case/ << d00d in jail for trapping bitcoin
1026222;1424455852;danielpbarron;while the mugger is at it he should get the victim to sign over deed to house and car
1026223;1424455860;NewLiberty;The cop should be in the cell next to him
1026224;1424455881;mircea_popescu;ascii_field> mircea_popescu: asciilifeform and then << the general concept being that people will find themselves under so much pressure as the thing advances, that marginals (ie, people who depend on paychecks etc) are prolly in a very weak position to participate anyway.
1026225;1424455891;mircea_popescu;how well this works in practice... well... nothing works well in practice.
1026226;1424455894;PeterL;thestringpuller: first line of your article, s/a place where transactions/a place where transactions happen
1026227;1424455895;pete_dushenski;thestringpuller: ok, depends on the quantity and your ability to discern dood from secret agent man
1026228;1424455910;*;ascii_field depends on paycheck
1026229;1424455924;thestringpuller;BingoBoingo: see PeterL search and replace
1026230;1424455929;mircea_popescu;pete_dushenski> thestringpuller: you can't use bitstamp ? or bitcoin-otc ? or one of those schmancy atms ? << it's bs, all of it. people can trade ~infinity btc/usd without any problems PROVIDED THEYRE IN THE WOT
1026231;1424455934;mircea_popescu;and the people who aren't don't exist anyway.
1026232;1424455967;ascii_field;^ i can see reverse direction (btc to usd) being problematic. but usd to btc ?
1026233;1424455970;thestringpuller;pete_dushenski: yes so this is pretty much like drug dealing. or at least from my limited experience of "riding along" with drug dealers
1026234;1424455986;mircea_popescu;neither's problematic really.
1026235;1424455999;danielpbarron;in my extensive experience in that realm, WoT also applies
1026236;1424456004;mircea_popescu;just, you know, "consumers have come to expect". and they will die with that "expectation".
1026237;1424456011;pete_dushenski;least of all if you have a physical shop.
1026238;1424456017;mircea_popescu;and pretend all along that "no alternatives exist"
1026239;1424456024;mircea_popescu;because why bother, when you can just wail and wait for tit.
1026240;1424456028;thestringpuller;danielpbarron: yes exactly! which goes to point mircea_popescu just brought up
1026241;1424456037;BingoBoingo;fxd
1026242;1424456039;thestringpuller;again I'm only talking about people on fringes of WoT
1026243;1424456040;ascii_field;for folks who aren't subjects of us, try the mindfuck on for size: if a crate of benjamins were to drop from the sky into my yard, there is literally nothing game-changingly useful that i could do with them
1026244;1424456046;ascii_field;they might as well be bricks of Pu
1026245;1424456057;pete_dushenski;thestringpuller: seems like this fringes thing is a fence-sitting
1026246;1424456069;pete_dushenski;sort of shit or get off the pot
1026247;1424456078;thestringpuller;pete_dushenski: as is the nature of "becoming known" to a plug so you can re-up in the future.
1026248;1424456083;danielpbarron;ascii_field, need to launder?
1026249;1424456083;mircea_popescu;ascii_field you're supposed to report it neh ?
1026250;1424456089;thestringpuller;pete_dushenski: "you don't know me yet, but lemme build some trust somehow"
1026251;1424456098;danielpbarron;open up a car wash!
1026252;1424456102;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12884 @ 0.0003954 = 5.0943 BTC [-]
1026253;1424456107;ascii_field;aha. the only thing the hypothetical crate would do is get me moved up a few spots in gassing queue if it got out
1026254;1424456134;ascii_field;hence, no, definitely not equally problematic in both directions
1026255;1424456149;pete_dushenski;thestringpuller: then you're dealing with smaller amounts ?
1026256;1424456164;pete_dushenski;and the risk of getting jacked for 11k should be zero
1026257;1424456164;mircea_popescu;ascii_field the guy's 11k are NOT a crate of dollars. barely one brick.
1026258;1424456180;ascii_field;crate - rhetorical illustration
1026259;1424456183;mircea_popescu;your argument reduces to "i can't make a bottling plant out of a gallon of juice". sure.
1026260;1424456214;mircea_popescu;there exist people, and not just in florida, who can get you a pellet of usd 100 notes on a half day notice.
1026261;1424456220;mircea_popescu;for limited values of "you"
1026262;1424456222;ascii_field;at the risk of repeating myself, my rent, for example, is ~2k/mo, and not under any circumstances payable in cash
1026263;1424456230;ascii_field;or through anything other than an american bank
1026264;1424456232;PeterL;ascii_field: you can take cash into grocery store, exchange for food, neh?
1026265;1424456244;mircea_popescu;he doesn't eat.
1026266;1424456250;mircea_popescu;except rw40, which he gets free
1026267;1424456252;ascii_field;mircea_popescu is approximately correct
1026268;1424456256;mircea_popescu;called in a radio show once, got lifetime supply.
1026269;1424456307;mircea_popescu;ascii_field you could buy gift certs.
1026270;1424456318;mircea_popescu;that's what 99% of "otc businessmen" do anyway
1026271;1424456354;ascii_field;mircea_popescu: yes. and this one of the very few reliable auto-tipoffs available to the gasenwagen
1026272;1424456379;ascii_field;anyone who buys, say, $50k of gift cert cards in cash, is guaranteed to have some official scrutiny.
1026273;1424456383;mircea_popescu;so pick up nomenklatura daughters, have them do it for you.
1026274;1424456393;ascii_field;now we have human flesh in the loop
1026275;1424456393;mircea_popescu;remember, any systematic weaponry can be turned around the operator.
1026276;1424456397;thestringpuller;mircea_popescu: aren't there still political factors involved calling up senator to deliver shipping container of benjies to you?
1026277;1424456397;mircea_popescu;their flesh.
1026278;1424456400;ascii_field;frail flesh.
1026279;1424456404;mircea_popescu;thestringpuller not senator.
1026280;1424456413;thestringpuller;not "jerome" either ;p
1026281;1424456419;danielpbarron;oo speaking of which; if you want to knock someone offline for a spell, open up webchat to b-a from their ip :D
1026282;1424456424;*;ascii_field 's spells don't work on flesh, only on iron
1026283;1424456428;mircea_popescu;danielpbarron you don't say lol.
1026284;1424456459;mircea_popescu;ascii_field see, this is how i distinguish a genius geek from a simple geek : the latter programs computer to interact with him. the former, to interact with the girls.
1026285;1424456472;mircea_popescu;lol
1026286;1424456474;mircea_popescu;!up ascii_field
1026287;1424456478;ascii_field;ty mircea_popescu
1026288;1424456488;ascii_field;interact with the girls ?
1026289;1424456492;ascii_field;dildonics ?
1026290;1424456505;mircea_popescu;no, like, get them to thing it's their bf.
1026291;1424456513;ascii_field;'eliza'
1026292;1424456513;mircea_popescu;as opposed to "get me to think it's my gf"
1026293;1424456518;mircea_popescu;sort-of.
1026294;1424456529;thestringpuller;mircea_popescu: seems only way to avoid gasenwagen in this sense is to become BTC version of pablo escobar...
1026295;1424456547;thestringpuller;and even he really didn't avoid it...
1026296;1424456560;mircea_popescu;well in that sense, clintron "didn't avoid it"
1026297;1424456574;mircea_popescu;or that schmucky someting awful kid, whatever his name was.
1026298;1424456589;thestringpuller;hahaha...ok fair 'nuff
1026299;1424456590;ascii_field;humans-in-the-loop is what -every single person nailed by usg so far- had in common.
1026300;1424456621;mircea_popescu;Sean Smith "didn't avoid it'.
1026301;1424456633;thestringpuller;ascii_field: so create a gang of robots?
1026302;1424456642;ascii_field;not a guarantee of defeat, sure, but machines are exactly as 'loyal' as their operator is clever and conscientious - men are not.
1026303;1424456690;mircea_popescu;"Here's one that even The Onion would reject as too blatantly ridiculous: American right-wing radio and TV clown Glenn Beck believes that Sean Smith aka Vile Rat, the EVE Online diplomat who was killed earlier this month during the attack on the US embassy in Benghazi, was actually a CIA agent, relaying communications to his fellow undercover agents at Something Awful."
1026304;1424456708;mircea_popescu;the only thing that's blatantly ridiculous is that beck forgot to mention where he got it
1026305;1424456722;thestringpuller;ascii_field: this very much reminds me of aku's mentality in Samurai Jack...
1026306;1424456723;mircea_popescu;ascii_field the difference isn't there.
1026307;1424456745;mircea_popescu;but in other news, http://38.media.tumblr.com/e5aaed5ccf96aff39472e37c24742ea8/tumblr_nf0a2d38wn1t7i7kmo1_250.gif
1026308;1424456747;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/19KJ0qO )
1026309;1424456758;ascii_field;mircea_popescu: which difference ?
1026310;1424456770;mircea_popescu;" machines are exactly as 'loyal' as their operator is clever and conscientious - men are not."
1026311;1424456816;ascii_field;a server doesn't have a family the enemy can take hostage
1026312;1424456819;ascii_field;or unpaid debts
1026313;1424456820;ascii_field;etc
1026314;1424456826;mircea_popescu;but it does run thompson's code.
1026315;1424456845;ascii_field;not if you hand-carved it.
1026316;1424456852;mircea_popescu;there are people who don't give a shit about some woman's spawn. more women, mopre spawn.
1026317;1424456861;mircea_popescu;there aren't computers that don't depend on their compilers etc.
1026318;1424456911;ascii_field;cheaper to knit the transistors than to build organization from scratch out of orphan bachelors
1026319;1424456930;mircea_popescu;nothing in principle wrong with either approach, which was the point.
1026320;1424456942;ascii_field;not so many warrior monks on the ground in modern world, afaik
1026321;1424456945;ascii_field;wonder why not
1026322;1424456954;mircea_popescu;not so many clean stacks, either.
1026323;1424456963;mircea_popescu;the difference however ? one's nonzero ; the other 0.
1026324;1424456965;mircea_popescu;ya see ?
1026325;1424456986;mircea_popescu;and again : sean's dead. your argument is therefore invalid.
1026326;1424456997;*;ascii_field looks up reference
1026327;1424457107;thestringpuller;ascii_field: out of orphan bachelors << an organization of Batmans?
1026328;1424457125;mircea_popescu;i never followed that franchise, but did batman have a vallet /
1026329;1424457168;ascii_field;mircea_popescu: where does the dead usg sysadmin come in? somehow missing it
1026330;1424457183;mircea_popescu;dead usg agent was killed by someone. by whom ?
1026331;1424457197;ascii_field;employer
1026332;1424457202;BingoBoingo;<mircea_popescu> i never followed that franchise, but did batman have a vallet / << He did indeed
1026333;1424457205;mircea_popescu;eh get out.
1026334;1424457207;ascii_field;who fed him to the locals
1026335;1424457219;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo did he ever end up kidnapped by evil man ?
1026336;1424457259;BingoBoingo;The thing's got like 8 decades of history. Prolly happened several times.
1026337;1424457282;mircea_popescu;batman no good then.
1026338;1424457313;NewLiberty;A server has a storage eeprom that the enemy may already have hostage.  http://securelist.com/files/2015/02/Equation_group_questions_and_answers.pdf
1026339;1424457317;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/19KM6eo )
1026340;1424457322;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7576 @ 0.00039555 = 2.9967 BTC [+]
1026341;1424457334;*;ascii_field head-desks
1026342;1424457347;mircea_popescu;lol
1026343;1424457376;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: Well, that's kind of the problem with literature by committee. At some point someone's going to make the thing suck.
1026344;1424457441;ascii_field;NewLiberty: http://qntra.net/2015/02/your-disk-controller-and-you
1026345;1424457441;assbot;Your Disk Controller and You | Qntra.net ... ( http://bit.ly/19KMNnO )
1026346;1424457469;chetty;http://observer.com/2015/02/bitcoin-crime-wave-breaks-out-in-nyc/
1026347;1424457470;assbot;Bitcoin Crime Wave Breaks Out in NYC |  | Observer ... ( http://bit.ly/19KMYQ9 )
1026348;1424457485;NewLiberty;Yes, the "equation group" are just the ones that have been caught doing it.
1026349;1424457500;ascii_field;'equation group' == nsa
1026350;1424457506;*;NewLiberty nods
1026351;1424457535;NewLiberty;I don't imagine that they are alone in that effort.
1026352;1424457537;*;pete_dushenski annoyed that there's no cross-platform scrabble game that works between desktop and mobile w/o facefuck account
1026353;1424457539;ascii_field;incidentally, one possible reason for k's use of the fictional name was to streamline the process of getting the c&c domains sinkholed
1026354;1424457573;NewLiberty;They are not dumb.
1026355;1424457573;ascii_field;picture this call to icann: them: 'who' k: 'nsa. please transfer domain to us'
1026356;1424457598;ascii_field;constrained by dumb ~= dumb
1026357;1424457703;BingoBoingo;!up SayWhaatNoow
1026358;1424457726;ascii_field;(previous thread) if mircea_popescu seriously applied his criteria re: who is 'marginal', #b-a would likely be the #mircea_popescu-kakobrekla-jurov channel instead
1026359;1424457768;ascii_field;^ did i miss any other folks who live on atomic dirigibles and don't 'depend on paycheck'
1026360;1424457769;NewLiberty;Also, plausible deniability for them to avoid making specific enemies.  Presumably they like selling things and doing business in jurisdictions where assets can be seized by libelous claims.
1026361;1424457838;ascii_field;NewLiberty: nothing to do with libel suites. notice that not one av vendor on the planet has yet fingered usg in the open. regardless of how obvious (e.g., 'stuxnet') the smoking guns.
1026362;1424457846;ascii_field;because 'av vendors can have problems too'
1026363;1424457870;ascii_field;*suits
1026364;1424457893;NewLiberty;libel is the least of the concerns, but one that alone would be sufficient deterrance
1026365;1424457916;ascii_field;think kaspersky gives a flying fuck re: lawsuits in u.s. courts ?
1026366;1424457928;NewLiberty;Only if they sell anything anywhere for dollars
1026367;1424457956;danielpbarron;i could probably get to a non-fiat point; no kids no car no morgage no wives
1026368;1424458050;ascii_field;danielpbarron: lucky fella, must be 100% theorist. i, for one, couldn't even get any of my experimental supplies without using electric fiat
1026369;1424458106;ascii_field;go and buy so much as a spool of 0805 resistors with btc.
1026370;1424458126;ascii_field;(not even speaking of pcb assembly service, etc)
1026371;1424458139;danielpbarron;couldn't i just pay a guy a premium to buy it for me?
1026372;1424458151;ascii_field;what guy.
1026373;1424458255;danielpbarron;idk, i got a weed guy; shouldn't i also have a fiat guy?
1026374;1424458277;ascii_field;danielpbarron: got one you'd trust to buy 100k-usd of factory time ?
1026375;1424458305;danielpbarron;!up ascii_field
1026376;1424458308;BingoBoingo;!up ascii_field
1026377;1424458309;ascii_field;ty danielpbarron
1026378;1424458322;ascii_field;danielpbarron: one you'd trust to have the goods physically protected in the necessary ways ?
1026379;1424458325;ascii_field;etc
1026380;1424458334;danielpbarron;that is.. not outside the realm of possibility for me... not that i've made such an inquiry
1026381;1424458343;ascii_field;this is not an easy problem if you're talking about something necessarily high-value and non-parcellable
1026382;1424458362;ascii_field;what if your 'weed' could -only- be purchased in 100k-usd chunks ?
1026383;1424458374;ascii_field;not saying that this is an impossible problem to solve
1026384;1424458393;ascii_field;but that the intersection of folks who -have- the problem, and those able to solve it, is thus far zero
1026385;1424458427;ascii_field;suggesting that the combination is 'not thermodynamically favoured' to borrow the chemists' expression
1026386;1424458479;ascii_field;danielpbarron: that is.. not outside the realm of possibility for me... not that i've made such an inquiry << the odds are that after you were to make two or three such inquiries, you will come across a usg stoolie
1026387;1424458487;ascii_field;with all the usual sequelae.
1026388;1424458508;ascii_field;-that- is what it means to 'go outside wot'
1026389;1424458530;danielpbarron;yeh you're right; but i could pay for simple food/rent from a strictly bitcoin income
1026390;1424458534;NewLiberty;If there were more with the problem ic could be 'worth it' to you to solve it for yourself and others.
1026391;1424458563;ascii_field;NewLiberty: that's precisely the observation i was making: there is no one who has found it worth his while to solve the problem for others
1026392;1424458591;ascii_field;suggesting that there is a substantial '2) ?????' in the path to '3) profit!!11!!!'
1026393;1424458612;BingoBoingo;!b 4
1026394;1424458612;assbot;Last 4 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/04W714C.txt )
1026395;1424458670;ascii_field;and yes there are many folks in usa who run on cash
1026396;1424458701;ascii_field;but i for one can more easily comprehend how to move to ar and learn to be a shoemaker or ocelot-walker or whatever, than turning into one of the above
1026397;1424458731;ascii_field;ah and on the subject of gift cards, you can't buy them in usa without gov. id
1026398;1424458765;ascii_field;can't pay rent with them, either
1026399;1424458767;danielpbarron;well you can buy them but you can't activate them
1026400;1424458768;BingoBoingo;I bough pnoHe and minutes cards for said without ID
1026401;1424458777;ascii_field;BingoBoingo: try buying one for 100k
1026402;1424458781;ascii_field;or even 10
1026403;1424458787;NewLiberty;I almost became 'unbanked' this week.  I've had >10 accounts terminated by banks this year.  It seems with the latest guidance from the Fed, banks categorize 'precious metal dealers' in the same bin as 'arms traders' and 'ponzi operators'.
1026404;1424458789;BingoBoingo;Eventually
1026405;1424458798;ascii_field;the cash register won't 'ding' without a passkey from stalin
1026406;1424458951;ascii_field;BingoBoingo: once you turn said pNohe on from your home, it may as well be registered to your face
1026407;1424458964;ascii_field;it's one of those faux loopholes that's really a honeypot
1026408;1424458967;BingoBoingo;That is problem
1026409;1424459143;BingoBoingo;Stallman was right about those
1026410;1424459152;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 39600 @ 0.00039555 = 15.6638 BTC [+]
1026411;1424459162;ascii_field;BingoBoingo: simple triangulation
1026412;1424459168;ascii_field;no boobie trap needed
1026413;1424459202;BingoBoingo;Right Same principal as Loran
1026414;1424459314;BingoBoingo;!up felipelalli
1026415;1424459518;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 36424 @ 0.00039555 = 14.4075 BTC [+]
1026416;1424460226;felipelalli;hi BingoBoingo!
1026417;1424460329;felipelalli;why only you online today?
1026418;1424460372;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11800 @ 0.00039782 = 4.6943 BTC [+]
1026419;1424460411;felipelalli;I have to back to work, have a nice end of day guys!
1026420;1424460799;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 53402 @ 0.00041442 = 22.1309 BTC [+] {2} 
1026421;1424460861;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 55548 @ 0.00041943 = 23.2985 BTC [+] {3} 
1026422;1424461775;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30550 @ 0.00042082 = 12.8561 BTC [+] {2} 
1026423;1424462019;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 67440 @ 0.00039291 = 26.4979 BTC [-] {3} 
1026424;1424462934;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35951 @ 0.00039076 = 14.0482 BTC [-]
1026425;1424463971;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34582 @ 0.00038215 = 13.2155 BTC [-] {3} 
1026426;1424464002;Adlai;"I have to get back to work, have a nice end of days!" - Jesus 2.0
1026427;1424464032;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15518 @ 0.0003804 = 5.903 BTC [-]
1026428;1424464947;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 63224 @ 0.00037808 = 23.9037 BTC [-] {3} 
1026429;1424465191;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3315 @ 0.00039076 = 1.2954 BTC [+]
1026430;1424465252;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 100858 @ 0.00037728 = 38.0517 BTC [-] {4} 
1026431;1424465631;joecool;ddos guy still hang around here?
1026432;1424465919;Adlai;"he who smelt it, dealt it"
1026433;1424466460;TheNewDeal;;;ticker
1026434;1424466461;gribble;Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 243.75, Best ask: 244.0, Bid-ask spread: 0.25000, Last trade: 244.0, 24 hour volume: 10233.82057294, 24 hour low: 239.13, 24 hour high: 249.32, 24 hour vwap: 244.603229345
1026435;1424467137;thestringpuller;;;seen The20YearIRCloud
1026436;1424467137;gribble;The20YearIRCloud was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 10 weeks, 3 days, 22 hours, 58 minutes, and 55 seconds ago: <The20YearIRCloud> Big thing has been to have em look over all the financial documents as we're filing taxes for 2014 next month and I didn't want to submit till they had a good idea of it.
1026437;1424467185;mike_c;he switched to slack.  it's irc from silicon valley.
1026438;1424467611;mike_c;!up The20YearIRCloud
1026439;1424467634;The20YearIRCloud;I check in once in a while here and still idle on a few IRC chats, granted I guess slack does a IRC connection as well
1026440;1424467681;mike_c;how's business?  stock price seems to be rising.
1026441;1424467686;mike_c;!t h rent
1026442;1424467686;assbot;The eagle never lost so much time as when he submitted to learn from the crow.
1026443;1424467711;The20YearIRCloud;Business is good, just have one vacancy on a house we just finished, other than that things seem to be doing well
1026444;1424467725;The20YearIRCloud;Last price was .0117 or so
1026445;1424467741;mike_c;about double from ipo.  not too shabby.
1026446;1424467755;mike_c;not quite as good as fiat, but what can you do :)
1026447;1424467758;The20YearIRCloud;We're hovering around the $3/share area
1026448;1424467814;The20YearIRCloud;The big thing was working through the bankrupt shareholder(s) that were forced to liquidate, it took seemingly forever to work through them
1026449;1424467838;mike_c;hah, interesting.  sounds like a pain.
1026450;1424467881;The20YearIRCloud;It was, court gave one of our largest shareholders a few months to sell all his stock which led to the price being in a slump for quite some time, now it's all worked through and the price can at least have a chance to rise
1026451;1424467889;The20YearIRCloud;Plus the banks are slowly catching on to our plans
1026452;1424467918;mike_c;wait, were RENT shares actually mentioned in the court proceedings?  or just a general order.
1026453;1424467929;The20YearIRCloud;I was told they were
1026454;1424467980;mike_c;heh.  that must have been interesting for the court.  "see, i have units in a fund of this panamaian company that has shares in this other company"
1026455;1424468010;mike_c;have you given any further thought to unwinding from havelock?
1026456;1424468017;The20YearIRCloud;Definately
1026457;1424468028;The20YearIRCloud;especially with this new down time, the problem is what to do to give investors liquidity
1026458;1424468047;The20YearIRCloud;Just about, granted I think what happens is they require personal financial statements from a person during the proceeding, and he declared ~$40k worth of stock
1026459;1424468065;Adlai;A popular story is told about Adlai Stevenson (1900-1965) when he was running for president in 1952 (or in 1956). Someone heard Stevenson’s impressive speech and said, “Every thinking person in America will be voting for you.” Stevenson replied, “I’m afraid that won’t do—I need a majority.”
1026460;1424468228;Adlai;fuck there are a lot of me: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stevenson_family
1026461;1424468230;assbot;Stevenson family - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ... ( http://bit.ly/19LJjl1 )
1026462;1424468302;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 75758 @ 0.00037347 = 28.2933 BTC [-] {2} 
1026463;1424468729;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35800 @ 0.00037961 = 13.59 BTC [+] {2} 
1026464;1424470010;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 80700 @ 0.00038386 = 30.9775 BTC [+]
1026465;1424471280;mircea_popescu;ascii_field howdja mean ?
1026466;1424471356;mircea_popescu;ascii_field> what guy << guys!
1026467;1424471364;dignork;!up wawert
1026468;1424471404;asciilifeform;!up ascii_field
1026469;1424471416;mircea_popescu;o.O
1026470;1424471470;mircea_popescu;ascii_field> but that the intersection of folks who -have- the problem, and those able to solve it, is thus far zero << this is merely an artefact of your own perspective, is my story an' im stickig to it.
1026471;1424471523;ascii_field;point was trying to make was that mass economics (e.g. weed) are not applicable to ultra-niche affair where there are maybe three people in a continent who can even begin to attempt $task
1026472;1424471564;mircea_popescu;<ascii_field> it's one of those faux loopholes that's really a honeypot << so turn it on at obama's girlfriend's house.
1026473;1424471585;ascii_field;lol, why not brezhnev's girlfriend's house
1026474;1424471594;mircea_popescu;exactly.
1026475;1424471598;ascii_field;quod licet iovi... etc
1026476;1424471605;mircea_popescu;and srsly, 100mn is niche-y, 100k not so.
1026477;1424471689;mircea_popescu;"Bitcoin, the technology that�s meant to revolutionize the way we think of money, is simultaneously revolutionizing the way we get mugged."
1026478;1424471713;mircea_popescu;lol great story bro, except... "gimme your valuables". what's so revolutionary there ?
1026479;1424472300;dignork;mircea_popescu: wawert is the guy I mentioned to you earlier
1026480;1424472674;danielpbarron;!up hdbuck
1026481;1424472776;mircea_popescu;heya.
1026482;1424472797;mircea_popescu;dignork ^
1026483;1424473841;[]bot;Bet placed: 2 BTC for No on "BTC to top $500 before 1st May" http://bitbet.us/bet/1120/ Odds: 22(Y):78(N) by coin, 23(Y):77(N) by weight. Total bet: 4.60099479 BTC. Current weight: 95,091.
1026484;1424473874;asciilifeform;!up ascii_field
1026485;1424473896;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform are you teh girl ?
1026486;1424473952;ascii_field;lol no. pet does not touch the console
1026487;1424473961;ascii_field;but there are some automatics.
1026488;1424473977;asciilifeform;aha
1026489;1424473982;mircea_popescu;lmao
1026490;1424474004;mircea_popescu;alf has finally divided
1026491;1424474009;ascii_field;l0l
1026492;1424474104;cazalla;scoopbot -fetch
1026493;1424474122;cazalla;http://qntra.net/2015/02/midlothian-police-department-pays-bitcoin-ransom/
1026494;1424474123;assbot;Midlothian, IL Police Department Pays Bitcoin Ransom | Qntra.net ... ( http://bit.ly/1w6VcfG )
1026495;1424474137;mircea_popescu;another one ?
1026496;1424474220;ascii_field;re: earlier thread: somewhat reminiscent of the 'sling dope' thread on mircea_popescu's www
1026497;1424474268;cazalla;mircea_popescu, i wonder just how much the cops would be willing to pay if ransomware maker crafted it specifically for gov depts and not at home users
1026498;1424474271;ascii_field;in that yes, one skilled in meatspace 'humint' can safely do a 100k trade
1026499;1424474507;mircea_popescu;people work as tellers in pond shops for minimum wage. there's no big deal humint involved.
1026500;1424474517;jurov;http://www.honeyflow.com/ such bezzle. poor bees. wow.
1026501;1424474518;assbot;Honey On Tap From Your Own Beehive - Flow™ Hive Home ... ( http://bit.ly/17khL4I )
1026502;1424474522;ascii_field;mircea_popescu: gotta be born to it
1026503;1424474527;mircea_popescu;bulletproof glass and steel rollers are 10s an 100s
1026504;1424474543;ascii_field;pond shop ?
1026505;1424474559;mircea_popescu;yes. and bookies and what have you. ever seen snatch ?
1026506;1424474564;ascii_field;aha
1026507;1424474602;cazalla;jurov, bad idea?
1026508;1424474604;ascii_field;and picture what happens if someone who grew up with virtually no social skills were to attempt to find a way into world of 'snatch' (much less actually work there)
1026509;1424474617;ascii_field;this is 99% of how usg collects its 'death ray plotters'
1026510;1424474627;ascii_field;'hey kid, wanna join the terroristz?'
1026511;1424474638;jurov;cazalla not saying it's a bad idea. just "such a bezzle!" came to mind
1026512;1424474639;ascii_field;'sure, finally i found where to apply!'
1026513;1424474651;cazalla;jurov, and i don't mean your use of it as a metaphor but the thing itself has me interested
1026514;1424474676;mircea_popescu;ascii_field "apply" ?!
1026515;1424474689;mircea_popescu;but i didn't mean "the world" per se. i just mean, idiots try to rob a bookie, goes nowhere. why not ?
1026516;1424474693;[]bot;Bet placed: 3 BTC for No on "Bitcoin to drop under $100 before April" http://bitbet.us/bet/1108/ Odds: 10(Y):90(N) by coin, 13(Y):87(N) by weight. Total bet: 19.93457636 BTC. Current weight: 44,198.
1026517;1424474698;mircea_popescu;fiddy bucks worth of countermeasures.
1026518;1424474702;cazalla;ah shit, it's useless for using with australian bees
1026519;1424474720;ascii_field;mircea_popescu: the countermeasures aren't usually something a clever person can learn from reading books
1026520;1424474733;ascii_field;they involve being part of a social network (in the old meatspace sense)
1026521;1424474740;mircea_popescu;ascii_field really ?! a sane person can learn them by... going there.
1026522;1424474752;ascii_field;going where?
1026523;1424474771;jurov;lmao "How do I stop the bees getting to the honey while it’s draining out of the Flow™ hive?"
1026524;1424474776;mircea_popescu;to any functioning suchshop. "o wow, they have really thick glass and they make me put the stuff in that roller thing"
1026525;1424474777;*;ascii_field looks for 'washington dc black market but not the usg stoolies' phone book
1026526;1424474786;mircea_popescu;go to buy "really thick glass" , "you mean bulletproof ?" "yuah that's ti!"
1026527;1424474788;mircea_popescu;learned.
1026528;1424474814;ascii_field;we don't have legal bookies here
1026529;1424474850;mircea_popescu;pond shops /
1026530;1424474854;mircea_popescu;?
1026531;1424474864;ascii_field;pawn ?
1026532;1424474880;mircea_popescu;right
1026533;1424474886;ascii_field;aha
1026534;1424474898;mircea_popescu;why the fuck i keep saying pond jesus im tired.
1026535;1424474905;NewLiberty;mor polycarbonite (lexan) than glass
1026536;1424474909;ascii_field;yes they exist here. regulated as tightly as gun shops (in fact, the two are often combined into one establishment)
1026537;1424474924;mircea_popescu;so does it consist of guy making incalls like a fucking hooker ?!
1026538;1424474936;ascii_field;neh they look like normal junk stores
1026539;1424474944;ascii_field;except that everything inside is priced to avoid ever selling
1026540;1424474955;ascii_field;($1000+ 'pentium 3', etc)
1026541;1424474986;ascii_field;the idea, as i understand, is that price is slowly lowered (as debt carries on) until the thing is gone
1026542;1424475113;NewLiberty;hookers and hockers are different, but you can get screwed with both
1026543;1424475124;ascii_field;the pawn shops we have here are more or less the farthest thing from the actual healthy black market (which is, i'm told, vast, but a n00b has no way whatsoever to safely connect to it, which was my original point)
1026544;1424475162;ascii_field;there is a reason why 'silk road' etc were fantastically popular
1026545;1424475172;NewLiberty;They give secured loans with the arbitrary stuff of value as collateral.   When the borrower doesn't pay the stuff is sold.
1026546;1424475196;ascii_field;i can only speak for myself, but -no one in my meatspace wot- is any kind of route whatsoever into that world
1026547;1424475208;ascii_field;so i couldn't go there for any amount of money
1026548;1424475223;NewLiberty;I know folks that run some.
1026549;1424475229;ascii_field;not without having the first or second marketeer i'd run into be a usg stooge set up for precisely this kind of harvesting
1026550;1424475293;ascii_field;fortunately i don't need it for anything
1026551;1424475296;jurov;well...van you loan from pawn shop against bitcoins?
1026552;1424475297;ascii_field;but if i did, i'd be fucked.
1026553;1424475300;jurov;*can you
1026554;1424475307;ascii_field;jurov: not in usa!
1026555;1424475336;ascii_field;i mean, you could talk to some arbitrary pawn shop fella about it, but if he fucks you - you will have no recourse
1026556;1424475342;ascii_field;you just dealt with a stranger outside of any wot.
1026557;1424475346;jurov;why? they can't get MSC-registered?
1026558;1424475355;jurov;and how is he going to fuck you?
1026559;1424475355;NewLiberty;http://www.carcashloans.com/
1026560;1424475357;assbot;Car Title Loans and Auto Pawn at Car Cash Loans ... ( http://bit.ly/17kiYcp )
1026561;1424475360;ascii_field;jurov: very funny
1026562;1424475395;jurov;bank can fuck you too, what's the diff?
1026563;1424475409;ascii_field;bank follows well-understood rituals for fucking you
1026564;1424475409;mats;jurov: dunno why the page is down. bright side, the content of those links are easily google-able
1026565;1424475415;ascii_field;which you are generally familiar with when you walk in
1026566;1424475439;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17900 @ 0.00038147 = 6.8283 BTC [-]
1026567;1424475472;ascii_field;what's the diff << if you mention bitcoin in a pawn shop here, and aren't thrown out as a nut, you're dealing with -an individual- rather than an institution under any kind of legal constraint
1026568;1424475478;ascii_field;and he isn't in your wot
1026569;1424475493;ascii_field;(if you have someone appropriate in your meatspace wot, why would you be going to a pawn shop ?_
1026570;1424475494;ascii_field;)
1026571;1424475494;NewLiberty;It sounds like a good business idea though.  Send your bitcoin to bitcoinpawn, get some fiat loan with it as collateral.  Pay back the fiat with interest to reclaim your bitcoins.  Miss a payment and you have to buy them back at the retail price.
1026572;1424475509;ascii_field;NewLiberty: guaranteed jail if found
1026573;1424475514;mircea_popescu;ascii_field the problem you espouse is entirely of your own imagination.
1026574;1424475520;mircea_popescu;how do you suppose "those people" got dates ?
1026575;1424475532;NewLiberty;Under what law is this offending?
1026576;1424475549;NewLiberty;It is done with gold rings, etc
1026577;1424475552;ascii_field;NewLiberty: under the book-length morass of regulations pertaining to pawn shops where i live
1026578;1424475574;NewLiberty;Sure, the presumption is that you do it as a pawn shop.
1026579;1424475580;ascii_field;but to be fair i thought we were still speaking of btc-for-100kusd-spent-elsewhere trick
1026580;1424475580;NewLiberty;This is not hard
1026581;1424475603;danielpbarron;i gave my bank manager a "paper wallet" one time; they think i'm some crazy, but mostly harmless, coin collector
1026582;1424475620;ascii_field;the basic problem that remains unsolved is -what to do with the usd-
1026583;1424475646;ascii_field;granted, i am possibly the only one here who understands why this can be an insurmountable problem
1026584;1424475684;*;danielpbarron understands that most of the things worth buying are heavily watched and regulated in the USSA
1026585;1424475691;danielpbarron;!up ascii_field
1026586;1424475696;ascii_field;ty danielpbarron
1026587;1424475702;mircea_popescu;this is getting to gnarled up to be approached. i'm out.
1026588;1424475714;ascii_field;basic summary, for those remaining,
1026589;1424475764;jurov;i was thinking you just need to prove where you got the dough
1026590;1424475773;ascii_field;jurov: and pay extortionate tax
1026591;1424475797;ascii_field;and risk being billed again and again for other imagined tax liabilities
1026592;1424475800;danielpbarron;haven't mobsters been dealing with this problem since.. always?
1026593;1424475808;ascii_field;and go on a list of folks with 'funny' income
1026594;1424475825;ascii_field;danielpbarron: yes! they have. by being part of social networks that are empire-in-empire
1026595;1424475842;ascii_field;danielpbarron: but a random person off the street cannot enter that world simply by asking.
1026596;1424476233;NewLiberty;^^ yes, my friend that does this has household expenses >US$50K per month.  Not your average person on the street.
1026597;1424476305;NewLiberty;Also a lawyer, and owns law firms full of folks to keep him out of problems.
1026598;1424476354;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10433 @ 0.00038147 = 3.9799 BTC [-]
1026599;1424476658;mod6;;;ticker
1026600;1424476659;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16952 @ 0.00038147 = 6.4667 BTC [-]
1026601;1424476659;gribble;Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 245.58, Best ask: 245.9, Bid-ask spread: 0.32000, Last trade: 244.9, 24 hour volume: 9358.73386673, 24 hour low: 239.41, 24 hour high: 249.32, 24 hour vwap: 244.90114208
1026602;1424476721;mod6;!t m s.mpoe
1026603;1424476721;assbot;[MPEX:S.MPOE] 1D: 0.00037076 / 0.00040233 / 0.00042832 (3558254 shares, 1,431.63 BTC), 7D: 0.00035551 / 0.0004173 / 0.00047394 (16948394 shares, 7,072.69 BTC), 30D: 0.00030001 / 0.0004018 / 0.00053193 (83261553 shares, 33,454.75 BTC)
1026604;1424478127;thestringpuller;[A[A[A[A[A[B[B[B[B[B[B[B[B[B[B[B[B[B[B[B[B[B[B[B[B[B[B
1026605;1424478149;thestringpuller;sorry about that ^^^
1026606;1424478155;thestringpuller;shity connection
1026607;1424478461;mike_c;!t h rent
1026608;1424478461;assbot;It's so strange that you don't remember any of your poetry.
1026609;1424478485;mike_c;did i miss something? is havelock dead?
1026610;1424478791;mod6;website looks down (for me)
1026611;1424478802;mike_c;seems they've been having a lot of trouble lately
1026612;1424478807;mike_c;https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=64492;sa=showPosts
1026613;1424478808;assbot;Latest posts of:  havelock ... ( http://bit.ly/1EzpruR )
1026614;1424480319;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7915 @ 0.00038147 = 3.0193 BTC [-]
1026615;1424480380;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 125185 @ 0.00038376 = 48.041 BTC [+] {2} 
1026616;1424481062;mircea_popescu;<ascii_field> danielpbarron: but a random person off the street cannot enter that world simply by asking. << you know this is actually a great idea for a movie.
1026617;1424481076;mircea_popescu;korean computer wiz kid gets into ny crime family. by asking.
1026618;1424481080;asciilifeform;l0l
1026619;1424481082;mircea_popescu;NOT one of the daughers in marriage tho.,
1026620;1424481113;mircea_popescu;<NewLiberty> ^^ yes, my friend that does this has household expenses >US$50K per month. << that's a decent dozen o' slavegirls.
1026621;1424481131;*;asciilifeform does a bit of mental arithmetic
1026622;1424481148;asciilifeform;slave gurlz suffer from inverse economy of scale ?
1026623;1424481208;mircea_popescu;https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=833704.msg10419619#msg10419619 << check this out jurov
1026624;1424481209;assbot;AMHash1: Cost-Effective Mining Contract ... ( http://bit.ly/1z5WYIJ )
1026625;1424481211;mircea_popescu;it's a fuckin disease.
1026626;1424481271;asciilifeform;danielpbarron: you may be interested in learning that i've a bit of time just now and am experimenting with a port of linux nand driver for marvell to netbsd
1026627;1424481280;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform depends. if you're the homebody sort, keep 2-3 girls, marked economy of scale.
1026628;1424481290;mircea_popescu;if you're the roller type, keep numerous, market scaling of power.
1026629;1424481291;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: but i'm not paying 4+k for 1...
1026630;1424481299;asciilifeform;not even 400
1026631;1424481310;mircea_popescu;some women you don't care if they spend 10k a month, because they create 1mn of value or w/e.
1026632;1424481364;asciilifeform;10k << lol! on what?!
1026633;1424481375;asciilifeform;spectrometer ?
1026634;1424481383;mircea_popescu;entertaining ?
1026635;1424481408;mircea_popescu;10k in the hands of a judicious woman can readily beat 1mn in lobby funds.
1026636;1424481476;asciilifeform;aha so 10k industrial.
1026637;1424481500;mircea_popescu;that's thje idea. if you're the sort that keeps 2-3 chicks off the street, micromanage their day, you save on the electricity bill.
1026638;1424481519;mircea_popescu;if you're the sort that he was describing, you don't care so much what it costs, you care what it gets you.
1026639;1424481574;mircea_popescu;"she's been going through 6-7k each month since autumn, but i get to go visit p diddy whenever i feel like it. it's a wash"
1026640;1424481576;mircea_popescu;sorta thing.
1026641;1424481647;*;asciilifeform does not live on that planet, has never visited, but believes the story
1026642;1424481756;mircea_popescu;there's very little competent, dedicated woman can't achieve in loser society
1026643;1424481762;mircea_popescu;(ie, the "civilised world")
1026644;1424481807;mircea_popescu;there is that small inconvenience of how they're insistently trained not to, but nothing major.
1026645;1424481846;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: gotta appreciate that this is about as real to me as a $500M synchrophasotron. i.e., i get the basic principle involved, but have never seen with own eyes nor know in person anyone who has
1026646;1424481860;mircea_popescu;you did see with own eyes, yes. one sec
1026647;1424481868;*;asciilifeform guesses where
1026648;1424481920;mircea_popescu;http://trilema.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/11/kim-kardashian-butt-papermag.jpg
1026649;1424481920;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1AZhlNj )
1026650;1424481923;mircea_popescu;!up bitponzi
1026651;1424481931;asciilifeform;lol!
1026652;1424481933;asciilifeform;plastic woman ?
1026653;1424481949;mircea_popescu;what do you think she does for a living ?
1026654;1424481953;asciilifeform;or is that grease
1026655;1424481962;asciilifeform;pr0n star ?
1026656;1424481968;mircea_popescu;mnope.
1026657;1424481987;*;asciilifeform looks up what k. was again
1026658;1424481992;mircea_popescu;right.
1026659;1424481999;mircea_popescu;when you find out let me know too lol.
1026660;1424482016;mircea_popescu;same thing that dumb old bitch in florida was doing. the "nonorary assbassador"
1026661;1424482033;asciilifeform;aha!
1026662;1424482097;mircea_popescu;ancient story, this. what was zsa zsa gabor ?
1026663;1424482110;mircea_popescu;"famous star, never played in a film"
1026664;1424482218;mircea_popescu;bitponzi you're from argentina then ?
1026665;1424482221;punkman;oh she's still alive, 98 years old
1026666;1424482223;BingoBoingo;Kim was in the one porno
1026667;1424482256;punkman;"When asked, "How many husbands have you had?", she was quoted as responding, "You mean other than my own?""
1026668;1424482270;mircea_popescu;yeah, you gotta be in one. tits or gtfo is the rule.
1026669;1424482617;decimation;NewLiberty: Under what law is this [pawn btc trade] offending?<< specifically, finra has declared that anyone who would conduct such a transaction to be a 'money transmitter' and thus would need to register with finra and the local state authorities in charge of such matters
1026670;1424482677;decimation;I suspect most (all) pawn shops do not have such notes from stalin
1026671;1424482749;decimation;heh was bagels giving the middle finger to mr. ddos?
1026672;1424482877;danielpbarron;i think so
1026673;1424482931;danielpbarron;i typed   ./build.sh -U -u -m evbarm build       before i started making dinner; come back and it's still going
1026674;1424483012;mircea_popescu;http://princegermany.com/ << this is kinda lulzy btw
1026675;1424483013;assbot;PRINCEGERMANY.COM ... ( http://bit.ly/1AZjetd )
1026676;1424483034;mircea_popescu;(the guy fatass kim is trying to immitate, basically. paid $$ to be adopted by some ex german prince)
1026677;1424483042;mircea_popescu;(gabor's last husband)
1026678;1424483175;danielpbarron;there is a book named "The Happiest People on Earth" that might help explain how something like kim kardashian came to be
1026679;1424483248;mircea_popescu;as in, a really hawt turkic chick ?
1026680;1424483276;danielpbarron;There's also some Old Testament flavour: a prophecy prompts Shakarian's grandfather to leave Armenia for the west coast of the USA, where his son Isaac becomes an exceptionally prosperous farmer. Overlaying this is a mysterious story which even the authors call a "romance" - a tale of an illiterate Armenian prophet who received a secret message which remains sealed in an envelope until the right person comes along to open it
1026681;1424483314;danielpbarron;some cult members in texas showed me this book; not sure how true it actually is
1026682;1424483466;asciilifeform;danielpbarron: the tools (gcc and binutils) take a while
1026683;1424483472;asciilifeform;danielpbarron: but kernel doesn't
1026684;1424483484;decimation;!up fuddos
1026685;1424483500;fuddos;there are a few ntp reflections
1026686;1424483516;danielpbarron;yeah i did the kernel already
1026687;1424483516;mircea_popescu;!up fuddos
1026688;1424483525;danielpbarron;asciilifeform, which step didn't work for you?
1026689;1424483537;asciilifeform;danielpbarron: it isn't one of the steps at all
1026690;1424483549;asciilifeform;danielpbarron: there is no built-in means of making small ramdisks
1026691;1424483559;asciilifeform;and the method described in available literature doesn't work
1026692;1424483582;fuddos;gonna try again
1026693;1424483597;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=10-02-2015#1015352
1026694;1424483597;assbot;Logged on 10-02-2015 22:36:45; asciilifeform: let's do a 'trichotomy' on the netbsd thing. as far as i can see, there are three and only three possibilities in a case like this (i am deliberately not including the forth, of my being a muppet.) 1) whole orchestra -never- worked 2) once worked, but a sniveling shitgnome fucked with the docs 3) docs were once correct and described a working sys, but a sniveling shitgnome changed the code 'because pr
1026695;1424483814;danielpbarron;did anyone else notice that the .bitcoin datadir recently became too large to  tar -czf  ?  or is it just me?
1026696;1424483840;decimation;!up fuddos
1026697;1424483845;punkman;mircea_popescu: (the guy fatass kim is trying to immitate, basically. paid $$ to be adopted by some ex german prince) << lol! Prince Frederic (Gabor's current husband) paid some old lady to adopt him too, rest of family doesn't recognize him.
1026698;1424483856;fuddos;It looks like amazon blocks at least some of the ntp udp spam
1026699;1424483858;mircea_popescu;myep.
1026700;1424483881;fuddos;and it appears to block nearly all of the upnp spam
1026701;1424483897;mircea_popescu;it's really not hard to block. but domestic isps = blockheads.
1026702;1424483926;punkman;this illegitimate princehood is gonna end up living longer than the real thing isn't it? every derp will adopt another derp and so on
1026703;1424483949;mircea_popescu;punkman if i cared i'd point out that i went through the guy's chicks pics, nothing impressing in there. if asciilifeform were emotionally involved in the markus prince he'd say that's obviously because he's keeping the good photos secret.
1026704;1424483970;mircea_popescu;you can't be a german prince anyway, their socialistoid government transformed them into names.
1026705;1424483991;mircea_popescu;for 50 bucks you can go to vegas and change your name to Prince Pizda or w/e.
1026706;1424483995;decimation;you might have a fancy name
1026707;1424484054;punkman;"Prinz von Anhalt has adopted several men" oh he's made a business of it
1026708;1424484112;decimation;it seems that if you claimed to be a german prince today you would have a mob of kids appear.  They would loudly explain why they aren't going to have sex with you, play golf against you, and then exhibit hate for you in the form of a interpretive dance
1026709;1424484187;mircea_popescu;lol pretty much
1026710;1424484190;fuddos;it looks like the ddos bot spams on 1 minute intervals
1026711;1424484215;mircea_popescu;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M5Ah6-tg-SA << romanian version.
1026712;1424484217;assbot;Fizz-daca nu fizz atunci cine? - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1vQL84F )
1026713;1424484405;fuddos;sorry I had ntp running, disregard the earlier statement
1026714;1424484785;mircea_popescu;"On 25 July 2007, Prinz von Anhalt was allegedly approached by three women he described as attractive while sitting in his Rolls-Royce in Southern California. They asked him to pose for pictures with them, at which point one of the women robbed him at gunpoint, taking his car keys, jewelry, wallet, driver's license and all his clothes. According to Prinz von Anhalt, his assailants bound him and placed him in handcuffs,
1026715;1424484785;mircea_popescu; yet he managed to call the authorities on a cellular phone. Los Angeles police found him completely naked approximately one hour later. No handcuffs were found at the scene. The culprits apparently drove away in a Chrysler convertible."
1026716;1424484787;mircea_popescu;epic.
1026717;1424484916;mircea_popescu;On 20 October 2010 von Anhalt was taken to the hospital after swallowing a bee, which then stung him in the throat. On 22 December 2010 von Anhalt was rushed to the hospital after gluing his eye shut with nail glue.
1026718;1424484926;mircea_popescu;this guy should be in finance.
1026719;1424485482;danielpbarron;neato, build finished
1026720;1424485509;danielpbarron;the guide i'm using is not correct, but i got it anyway
1026721;1424485984;asciilifeform;build << of what ?
1026722;1424486117;danielpbarron;the userland
1026723;1424486128;danielpbarron;not the ramdisk
1026724;1424486131;asciilifeform;aha
1026725;1424486133;asciilifeform;userland - easy
1026726;1424486150;danielpbarron;well it's still exciting for me when an hours long compile succeeds
1026727;1424486604;decimation;!up fuddos
1026728;1424486634;fuddos;sorry for the connect spam.  It looks like the ddos bot is either inactive, amazon filters, or it filters amazon
1026729;1424487782;jurov;http://hpmor.com/chapter/108 geee. so apparently voldemort became voldemort...to kill out idiots!
1026730;1424487783;assbot;Harry Potter and the Methods of Rationality, Chapter 108: The Truth, Pt 5, Answers and Riddles ... ( http://bit.ly/1z64djP )
1026731;1424487809;*;asciilifeform was waiting for that thing to pop up here
1026732;1424487822;asciilifeform;we did discuss the author on at least one occasion
1026733;1424487858;*;asciilifeform has him mentally -10 wot for many, many years now
1026734;1424487956;jurov;yea i remember that well
1026735;1424487973;decimation;asciilifeform: rowling?
1026736;1424487978;asciilifeform;nope
1026737;1424487981;asciilifeform;it's a riff
1026738;1424487984;asciilifeform;on the original
1026739;1424487991;asciilifeform;(which i also never got around to reading)
1026740;1424487998;decimation;is this better or worse than the 'riff' featuring the woodchipper?
1026741;1424488003;asciilifeform;based very loosely
1026742;1424488033;decimation;I read most of the books.  my conclusion is that rowling got 'lucky'
1026743;1424488056;asciilifeform;anyway 'methods of rationality' is by a fella called yudkowsky
1026744;1424488086;asciilifeform;(whozzat? see log.)
1026745;1424488121;decimation;lol yudkowsky wrote a harry potter fan book
1026746;1424488131;asciilifeform;possibly his best known work.
1026747;1424488134;asciilifeform;by a very long shot
1026748;1424488169;*;decimation learns a fact about silly-con valley, only to find it is even *more* true than he thought
1026749;1424488178;punkman;chapter 108? last time I looked at it was like 50
1026750;1424488185;danielpbarron;i made a rootfs_ramdisk.img  but i'm pretty sure it isn't ready due to some confusion over what needs to be done with /dev/ and also there were other files mentioned in the guide that i could not find in my result
1026751;1424488202;asciilifeform;danielpbarron: you're very nearly at the part that catastrophically fails
1026752;1424488669;jurov;!up arvicco
1026753;1424488796;danielpbarron;mdsetimage: could not find symbols in netbsd
1026754;1424488808;asciilifeform;ding ding ding
1026755;1424488811;asciilifeform;there we go
1026756;1424488853;danielpbarron;well that elimates possibility number 4, and introduced number 5 (that we are in cahoots)
1026757;1424489367;mats;http://goodmenproject.com/featured-content/megasahd-the-lack-of-gentle-platonic-touch-in-mens-lives-is-a-killer kek
1026758;1424489368;assbot;The Lack of Gentle Platonic Touch in Men's Lives is a Killer - ... ( http://bit.ly/1z66204 )
1026759;1424489527;trinque;#touchislife
1026760;1424489582;trinque;sounds like that guy needs a professional cuddler http://cuddleuptome.com/
1026761;1424489584;assbot;Cuddle Up To Me ... ( http://bit.ly/1DHVb2m )
1026762;1424490766;mats;http://www.slideshare.net/amiable_indian/unusual-bugs
1026763;1424490769;assbot;Unusual Bugs ... ( http://bit.ly/1DHWoGZ )
1026764;1424491021;decimation;http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/defence/11424238/Britain-cannot-defend-itself-against-Putins-military-might-top-brass-warn.html "http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/defence/11424238/Britain-cannot-defend-itself-against-Putins-military-might-top-brass-warn.html"
1026765;1424491024;assbot;Britain cannot defend itself against Putin's military might, top brass warn - Telegraph ... ( http://bit.ly/1z67UGb )
1026766;1424491029;decimation;doh "As two RAF Typhoon fighters were scrambled on Wednesday evening to escort Russian long range bombers flying off Cornwall, military chiefs said that the UK “could not cope” with an all-out attack as our defences have been “decimated”. "
1026767;1424491130;asciilifeform;http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/media/11426319/Times-publisher-News-UK-launches-internal-investigation-after-suicides-of-two-members-of-its-commercial-staff.html << from the tales of the nailgun squadron
1026768;1424491131;assbot;Times publisher, News UK, launches internal investigation after suicides of two members of its commercial staff - Telegraph ... ( http://bit.ly/1z684NE )
1026769;1424491159;decimation;maybe it's depressing - working in london
1026770;1424491384;decimation;http://www.faz.net/aktuell/politik/ausland/europa/putin-veraergert-eu-droht-mit-sanktionen-13440150.html
1026771;1424491384;assbot;Putin verärgert - EU droht mit Sanktionen ... ( http://bit.ly/1z68nIx )
1026772;1424491449;decimation;"„Es wird diesem Land nicht einfach gemacht, seinen Weg in Freiheit und Selbstbestimmtheit zu finden.“ Der Prozess bleibe schwierig." < It is not easy for this country [ukraine] to find its way to freedom and self determination" [Merkel] said
1026773;1424491461;decimation;apparently she's starting to equivocate...
1026774;1424491473;mircea_popescu;<decimation> doh "As two RAF Typhoon  <<< news to exactly no-one
1026775;1424491485;asciilifeform;'airstrip one'
1026776;1424491490;decimation;aye
1026777;1424491493;asciilifeform;it's just for usaf to land & refuel on
1026778;1424491493;decimation;not least to the russians
1026779;1424491496;mircea_popescu;and london sucks in a way that can't be described.
1026780;1424491506;asciilifeform;london sucked in 1700
1026781;1424491513;mircea_popescu;nothing changed.
1026782;1424491515;decimation;the russians apparently toy with the yuropeans like a kitty toys with a fish
1026783;1424491544;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform unfortunately, the us response in ukr is proportionately larger than the us response would be in england, for the sameactivity.
1026784;1424491556;decimation;each one of those tu-95's can carry cruise missiles that can individually fly 600 km, so these missions are merely propaganda runs
1026785;1424491561;mircea_popescu;us is like the sniper : has one good shot. if he misses that one, or if you get in range... dead.
1026786;1424491596;asciilifeform;against defenseless folks, sniper has as many shots as are in his horn
1026787;1424491625;mircea_popescu;not the case here.
1026788;1424491653;mircea_popescu;for one thing, the horn holds pretty much a shot. for the other, ru actually has air superiority since about 2013.
1026789;1424491691;decimation;well, it remains to be seen what the tu-95's would do if they were 'fired in anger'
1026790;1424491699;asciilifeform;wake me up when ru has not-running-winblows superiority
1026791;1424491701;decimation;they would probably not derp around in enemy airspace
1026792;1424491755;mircea_popescu;arbitrary fence is arbitrary.
1026793;1424491843;decimation;I seriously doubt the us would be unable to defend its airspace
1026794;1424491862;decimation;but it is probably also the case that ru could inflict serious damage
1026795;1424491884;mircea_popescu;"defend its airspace" is irrelevant here. the us is unable to project.
1026796;1424491893;mircea_popescu;anyone can defend, these days, because of rocketry.
1026797;1424491914;mircea_popescu;and there's nothing wrong with that.
1026798;1424491919;decimation;agreed, that's another matter
1026799;1424491952;mircea_popescu;heck, even the ukrs can defend their airspace from commercial airliners
1026800;1424491958;decimation;actually usg has also tacitly admitted that its submarines are becoming useless http://nationalinterest.org/feature/are-submarines-about-become-obsolete-12253
1026801;1424491959;assbot;Are Submarines About to Become Obsolete? | The National Interest ... ( http://bit.ly/1z68UKz )
1026802;1424492022;mats;i find that dubious
1026803;1424492031;mircea_popescu;well, it makes little sense to keep a nuclear sub and a carrier these days
1026804;1424492036;mircea_popescu;as they do essentially the same things.
1026805;1424492047;mircea_popescu;face the same risk profiles etc.
1026806;1424492105;mats;i imagine its easier to defend a sub rather than a carrier
1026807;1424492114;decimation;mats: you are probably right on that one
1026808;1424492122;asciilifeform;a bit hard to take off a jet from sub
1026809;1424492135;decimation;the paper in question seems to imply it's mainly a matter of what happens when the sub gets too close to shore
1026810;1424492158;mircea_popescu;mats why ?
1026811;1424492201;decimation;asciilifeform:  "A new approach to offensive undersea operations. Manned submarines will likely need to shift from being front-line tactical platforms like aircraft to being host and coordination platforms like aircraft carriers. "
1026812;1424492238;mircea_popescu;heh.
1026813;1424492238;mats;well for one thing a carrier is vulnerable on all axes
1026814;1424492245;mircea_popescu;mats so is the sub.
1026815;1424492255;mats;sub can crawl sea floor and reduce attack surface
1026816;1424492279;mircea_popescu;actually floor is very dangerous with the new seeking missiles
1026817;1424492285;mircea_popescu;because it reflects the wave / crushes
1026818;1424492293;decimation;asciilifeform: on page 14 of the linked pdf you can see a picture of sub 'taking off' uav
1026819;1424492296;mats;name?
1026820;1424492308;mircea_popescu;i dun have a name.
1026821;1424492326;asciilifeform;they launched biplanes and even triplanes from subs
1026822;1424492328;asciilifeform;'30s
1026823;1424492331;mats;ill investigate later then
1026824;1424492368;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform it's just that the advantages of subs (quietness, depth) are less and less valuable
1026825;1424492395;mircea_popescu;and once they can't actually work tactically anymore, they're basically a smaller submersible carrier.
1026826;1424492450;decimation;"Emerging non-acoustic detection techniques also show great promise. The theoretical possibilities of detecting minute changes on the ocean’s surface caused by a submarine or the wake it leaves underwater have been widely recognized since the Cold War, but only now have processing power and oceanographic modeling improved to the point where these approaches may be operationally feasible. Methods to detect radiation or chemicals
1026827;1424492452;decimation;emitted by a submarine also date from the Cold War and may benefit from the improved sensitivity “big data” could provide."
1026828;1424492525;mats;sounds like a good scam
1026829;1424492551;mircea_popescu;mats it becomes insanely more expensive to quiet them down as time passes.
1026830;1424492644;mats;i see your point, but im not convinced the detection technology is there yet
1026831;1424492650;decimation;" New ASW technologies and improve- ments to non-nuclear undersea platforms, however, will likely enable adversaries to comple- ment their surface and air A2/AD networks with undersea surveillance and attack systems. These may not have the reach of anti-ship ballistic missiles or modern surface-to-air missiles, but they have the potential to make the undersea littorals of a potential adversary an increas- ingly denied zone. "
1026832;1424492711;mats;i hope they called james cameron
1026833;1424492721;mircea_popescu;well, whether it's here yet or not... things still evolve one way. all i said was re this direction.
1026834;1424492764;mircea_popescu;decimation basically they're really desperate to maintain as much projection into future budgets, but in point of fact... maintaining both a carrier and a nuclear powered sub programme isn't likely.
1026835;1424492773;decimation;mats, this paper is not some random derp, it's a highly connected dod think tank
1026836;1424492791;asciilifeform;how many nuke subs left in usa? and how many janitors who haven't torched theirs yet
1026837;1424492804;mircea_popescu;like 16 ?
1026838;1424492804;asciilifeform;1 down, ? to go
1026839;1424492808;asciilifeform;15
1026840;1424492842;mircea_popescu;anyway, it will be the lol of all time if the carrier-sub joint at the seams frankenstein resembles anything the fighter-bomber-helicopter-drone f35 attempt.
1026841;1424492849;mircea_popescu;"costs an infinity, delivers paperwork"
1026842;1424492932;asciilifeform;in j. sladek's 'tik tok', sf novel in '83, in the 'dark future' (tm) an aircraft-carrier-with-wheels, vast and infinitely expensive, is finally built
1026843;1424492935;decimation;well, the bigger picture is that usg is not going to be able to threaten russia or china as much as it used to
1026844;1424492941;mats;maybe the sea drones will fail less than the airborne models
1026845;1424492953;asciilifeform;as a mega-apocalyptic culmination of usg military wankery
1026846;1424492954;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform indeed.
1026847;1424493049;mats;https://www.securecoding.cert.org/confluence/display/seccode/AA.+Bibliography a collection of papers
1026848;1424493051;assbot;AA. Bibliography - Secure Coding - CERT Secure Coding Standards ... ( http://bit.ly/18aEHob )
1026849;1424493089;asciilifeform;mats: i have that book
1026850;1424493123;asciilifeform;(seacord)
1026851;1424493153;mats;im reading the papers in preparation for the book
1026852;1424493319;mats;taking me ages i might add
1026853;1424494433;thestringpuller;falling asleep at a computer is one of the most amazing feelings ever
1026854;1424494433;assbot;AMAZING COMPANY!
1026855;1424496681;cazalla;;;later tell Vexual look who it is lol http://www.smh.com.au/national/king-of-cannabis-nevil-schoenmakers-stages-a-quiet-comeback-20150220-13iazv.html
1026856;1424496685;assbot;King of cannabis Nevil Schoenmakers stages a quiet comeback ... ( http://bit.ly/18aU1Bj )
1026857;1424496685;gribble;The operation succeeded.
1026858;1424497543;mircea_popescu;heh check that out.
1026859;1424497561;mircea_popescu;poor guy had to wait 20 years for teh fucktards torun out of steam.
1026860;1424498877;NewLiberty;decimation, the cash car loans operation is registered to do it.  They do pawn for cars so fairly high value goods.  I may try to sell the owner on the idea since he was contemplating starting an exchange.
1026861;1424498907;asciilifeform;pawn-for-btc ?
1026862;1424498914;asciilifeform;or pawn-btc-for-usd ?
1026863;1424499052;TheNewDeal;;;bids 216.9
1026864;1424499053;gribble;Bitstamp | There are currently 5830.8258 bitcoins demanded at or over 216.9 USD, worth 1354479.01693 USD in total. | Data vintage: 0.0220 seconds
1026865;1424499062;TheNewDeal;!down TheNewDeal
1026866;1424499859;mats;http://www.aljazeera.com/news/europe/2015/02/greece-creditors-draft-bailout-agreement-150220180708947.html
1026867;1424499861;assbot;Greece and creditors agree to extend bailout package - Al Jazeera English ... ( http://bit.ly/19O6co4 )
1026868;1424502645;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24500 @ 0.00038386 = 9.4046 BTC [+]
1026869;1424503180;kakobrekla;http://xkcd.com/1489/
1026870;1424503180;assbot;xkcd: Fundamental Forces ... ( http://bit.ly/1Jvx0cL )
1026871;1424504853;mats;https://bitbucket.org/mihaila/bindead/wiki/Home
1026872;1424504855;assbot;  mihaila / Bindead / wiki / Home — Bitbucket ... ( http://bit.ly/1JvyNi2 )
1026873;1424504885;mats;binary static analysis.
1026874;1424507098;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35532 @ 0.00038424 = 13.6528 BTC [+] {2} 
1026875;1424507596;mats;http://w00tsec.blogspot.com/2015/02/firmware-forensics-diffs-timelines-elfs.html
1026876;1424507597;assbot;w00tsec: Firmware Forensics: Diffs, Timelines, ELFs and Backdoors ... ( http://bit.ly/1Bx9Oqd )
1026877;1424509895;mats;http://aje.io/95ce
1026878;1424509897;assbot;Iraqi showdown against ISIL? - Al Jazeera English ... ( http://bit.ly/1BxdAQc )
1026879;1424510023;mats;1:1 odds the iraqis will flee on contact
1026880;1424513644;cazalla;i tell you what, keira knightley is looking worse for wear in that turing movie (which was shit)
1026881;1424513704;cazalla;she looks 10 years older than what she is in that movie
1026882;1424513914;Adlai;but what about blunderbuss cucumberpatch?
1026883;1424513949;*;Adlai saw some review that maintained that just that casting choice invalidated the rest of the movie
1026884;1424514010;Adlai;https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/c/c4/AlanTuring-Bletchley.jpg zero similarity
1026885;1424514012;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1JvMNs4 )
1026886;1424514311;punkman;cazalla,  Schoenmaker still alive huh
1026887;1424514334;cazalla;Adlai, i dunno, seemed he was intent on acting like an autistic retard the entire movie
1026888;1424514363;BingoBoingo;First act of this morning which began an hour after midnight, shoveling snow and laying salt was a success
1026889;1424514374;punkman;iirc one of his partners was a USG agent, surprising he escaped USG prison
1026890;1424514390;cazalla;punkman, was always known he was alive through his dealings with mr nice seedbank
1026891;1424514428;punkman;Mr Nice spent quite some time in USG prison
1026892;1424514447;punkman;his book is a fun read
1026893;1424514471;BingoBoingo;punkman: That was more a concern for the local authorities. If the feds knew, they almost always just kept such information in J Edgar's blackmail file.
1026894;1424514529;cazalla;punkman, from what i've read, greenhouse seeds posers ripped the mothers off nev and mr nice
1026895;1424514592;cazalla;who really knows the fkn truth of it all though
1026896;1424514693;punkman;I just like teh smuggling stories
1026897;1424514713;cazalla;everything would suggest arjan roskam is nothing but a glorified adsense marketer for weed
1026898;1424514727;cazalla;punkman, same
1026899;1424514809;cazalla;i'm the first the campaign about the medicinal effects of alcohol over the medicinal effects of herbs
1026900;1424514825;cazalla;to*.. clearly i am under the effects of medicinal alcohol at this very moment
1026901;1424514830;BingoBoingo;;;google modern drunkard magazine
1026902;1424514831;gribble;Modern Drunkard Magazine: <http://www.drunkard.com/>; You're a Drunk - Modern Drunkard Magazine: <http://www.drunkard.com/md_youre_a_drunk.htm>; Top 10 - Modern Drunkard Magazine: <http://www.drunkard.com/top-ten.html>
1026903;1424514874;cazalla;i never smoked the wacky toboacky in my life
1026904;1424514889;Adlai;BingoBoingo++
1026905;1424514942;BingoBoingo;http://www.drunkard.com/archive/Modern%20Drunk%20Art/drunk-art-001.jpg
1026906;1424514944;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1JvNZM7 )
1026907;1424514944;Adlai;;;later rate cazalla -1 unless he smokes the sticky tabiccy
1026908;1424514944;gribble;Error: The "Later" plugin is loaded, but there is no command named "rate" in it.  Try "list Later" to see the commands in the "Later" plugin.
1026909;1424514956;BingoBoingo;http://www.drunkard.com/issues/58/images/safeguard-sanity-58.jpg
1026910;1424514957;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1JvO0zz )
1026911;1424514979;Adlai;though combustion is not requires, vapor is also nice and would suffice
1026912;1424515002;cazalla;;;later rate adlai -100 insinuates i am not a law abiding citizen of the commonwealth of australia
1026913;1424515003;gribble;Error: The "Later" plugin is loaded, but there is no command named "rate" in it.  Try "list Later" to see the commands in the "Later" plugin.
1026914;1424515022;cazalla;you mean like snoop dogg vapors?
1026915;1424515086;BingoBoingo;Let us all remember the bong was a part of the USG lowering Shrem into pederastry
1026916;1424515096;Adlai;afaik he smokes, but any self-respecting coffeeshop has desktop vapes like https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Im3bgflEaoc
1026917;1424515097;assbot;VOLCANO Digit Vaporizer Review and demo- Digit Vaporizer Review Volcano Demonstration - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1EANBFB )
1026918;1424515099;cazalla;or you mean vaping alcohol adlai? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uOa_GXNpuJk
1026919;1424515100;assbot;Smoking Alcohol! - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1EANDgC )
1026920;1424515112;kakobrekla;<cazalla> everything would suggest arjan  < yep, arjan lying thief
1026921;1424515133;Adlai;vaping alcohol sounds rather dangerous, plant matter is easy enough to ignite, why fuck with biofuel
1026922;1424515142;Adlai;ignite *accidentally
1026923;1424515224;Adlai;'bong was a part of the USG lowering Shrem into pederastry' <<  ?
1026924;1424515247;kakobrekla;<punkman> his book is a fun read < yup, quite out there.
1026925;1424515272;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 82121 @ 0.00038613 = 31.7094 BTC [+] {2} 
1026926;1424515290;BingoBoingo;!s bong
1026927;1424515290;assbot;32 results for 'bong' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=bong
1026928;1424515290;kakobrekla;movie sucks balls though.
1026929;1424515351;BingoBoingo;Adlai: Before his arrest Charlie gave some magazine interview and spoke often of his bong and spoke very fondly of it.
1026930;1424515352;Adlai;32! never took this to be such a hot topic™
1026931;1424515364;kakobrekla;lulz
1026932;1424515375;cazalla;Adlai, i don't think shrem is in the lock up yet anyway
1026933;1424515394;Adlai;yeah i guess you need a few olympic golds to own a bong
1026934;1424515410;BingoBoingo;Adlai: You really do here. Or to otherwise be boring.
1026935;1424515418;kakobrekla;;;google charlie shrem bong
1026936;1424515419;gribble;Bitcoin Millionaire Charlie Shrem of BitInstant Arrested - Vocativ: <http://www.vocativ.com/tech/bitcoin/bitcoin-millionaire-charlie-shrem-arrested-money-laundering/>; My Night Out With Bitcoin Millionaire and Proud Stoner Charlie Shrem: <http://www.vocativ.com/tech/bitcoin/night-bitcoin-millionaire-proud-stoner-charlie-shrem/>; THE CRYPTO SHOW | Bringing the world of technology, (1 more message)
1026937;1424515422;cazalla;fkn unaustralian cunts never heard of a mr juicy bottle and the ever shortening garden hose?
1026938;1424515450;kakobrekla;>Later in the the night, we went up to his apartment, where I spotted a couple of bongs. At some point, Shrem told me, “I won’t hire you unless I drink with you or smoke weed with you—that’s a 100 percent fact.”
1026939;1424515454;kakobrekla;ah right, who could forget.
1026940;1424515540;Adlai;it's the japanese way
1026941;1424515672;cazalla;i thought the japanese way was to steal your shit
1026942;1424515978;cazalla;kamakazzzzziiieee
1026943;1424516103;BingoBoingo;In USia "drugs" are often used as a pretext by USG for taking nice things from people who have nice things.
1026944;1424516196;punkman;BingoBoingo: I thought the pretext was "how dare you have nice things"
1026945;1424516229;BingoBoingo;punkman: Well, "drugs" is they pretext of convenience used before resorting to that one.
1026946;1424516284;cazalla;BingoBoingo, same here down under, but i drink so it's all legal
1026947;1424516337;cazalla;but i don't have nice things anyway
1026948;1424516345;BingoBoingo;yeah. some time in the past I occasionally enjoyed other substances, but... Bitcoin happened.
1026949;1424516356;cazalla;i don't even buy new clothes in like 2-3 years
1026950;1424516370;cazalla;seems a waste of money
1026951;1424516376;punkman;good clothes last longer than that
1026952;1424516415;cazalla;punkman, even the best of clothes don't fit expanding waist line :P
1026953;1424516439;cazalla;but i keep em anyway, rocky montage inc any day now
1026954;1424516508;punkman;rabbit is lean, how u expand waist
1026955;1424516542;cazalla;sitting on ass and boozing
1026956;1424516562;cazalla;fwiw, use to run 10km a day, so not like i don't know what it takes to be comitted rocky balboa righter champion of the world beat anyone in a tussel
1026957;1424516631;punkman;you could wear beer-can hat and run at the same time!
1026958;1424516675;cazalla;nah i live that for the baseball fans *nudge* BingoBoingo
1026959;1424516677;cazalla;leave
1026960;1424516735;BingoBoingo;cazalla: Have you seen the waistlines of some of the players?
1026961;1424516761;cazalla;well no, it's not popular here aside a few sepppo wannabes
1026962;1424516799;cazalla;in fact, i have pics from area i use to take morning walks
1026963;1424516806;cazalla;was a make shift baseball field
1026964;1424516816;cazalla;pics are bitter sweet because while i was busy checking out the drains in the area
1026965;1424516823;cazalla;blockchain height was moving higher and higher
1026966;1424516828;cazalla;oblivious
1026967;1424516919;BingoBoingo;Ah
1026968;1424516948;BingoBoingo;I've got about 8 months left for 0.7.2 WTF to finish syncing
1026969;1424516975;cazalla;yet to tackle that
1026970;1424516989;cazalla;tbh, i found obsd and xfce to run like ass, no surprise a nigbuntu runs faster
1026971;1424517033;cazalla;i still got it on the other hdd but i switched back to the nigbuntu for time being until i figure out how to make firefox run faster minus the crashes with obsd (yeah, i increased mem for account ,added to staff, no go)
1026972;1424517147;cazalla;reminds me of that wish i could read so i could get welfare meme
1026973;1424517157;cazalla;but more, i wish i could compute so as not to get owned
1026974;1424517200;cazalla;anyway.. pics of playing in drains while blockheight moved higher and higher http://imgur.com/BOSU8OS,ihFlqIk,mvnw852
1026975;1424517201;assbot;                        Imgur ... ( http://bit.ly/18c5657 )
1026976;1424517697;cazalla;this is what i meant anyway http://i.imgur.com/3wcaEwf.png
1026977;1424517699;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/18c7lp4 )
1026978;1424517899;cazalla;best road rash song evar https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aCKlTJxGAuI
1026979;1424517900;assbot;Paw - Jessie (HQ) - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/18c8gWg )
1026980;1424518151;BingoBoingo;http://www.drunkard.com/issues/58/58-pocketful-of-joy-01.html
1026981;1424518152;assbot;Modern Drunkard Magazine ... ( http://bit.ly/18c9lNQ )
1026982;1424518258;cazalla;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2tbQRbNMlks props to anyone who guesses the grinspoon reference :P
1026983;1424518260;assbot;Grinspoon - Just Ace (Recovery, 1998) - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/18c9EIF )
1026984;1424518540;cazalla;seen this guys at the BDO like 10 years ago, disappointing in concert https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O_UCks8O0FA
1026985;1424518541;assbot;Hoodoo Gurus - Miss Freelove 69 - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/18caAwJ )
1026986;1424518561;kakobrekla;https://www.havelockinvestments.com
1026987;1424518563;assbot;www.havelockinvestments.com | 521: Web server is down ... ( http://bit.ly/18caEN1 )
1026988;1424518572;kakobrekla;this is offline since yesterday it seems
1026989;1424518601;cazalla;kakobrekla, but dead long time before that
1026990;1424518631;kakobrekla;but the RENT is too god damn high
1026991;1424518749;cazalla;i don't think you can even buy a home in the shittest areas of australia at the price RENT is paying for homes
1026992;1424518751;kakobrekla;ah i see mike already noticed yet.
1026993;1424518758;kakobrekla;yest.
1026994;1424518785;cazalla;the sticks i gew up in.. went for under 100k 25 years ago.. over 500k now
1026995;1424518816;cazalla;as in the sticks, 2 1/2 drive to sydney to work, 2 1/2 hour drive back every fucking day, people do it en masse
1026996;1424518828;cazalla;yet in school, told we would be farmers
1026997;1424518843;cazalla;by time school finished, no farms in site
1026998;1424518878;cazalla;when school began, we lit plenty of fires on plenty of farms to help the fire bug country fire association put them out.. that's if they didn't start em their fucking selves
1026999;1424518933;cazalla;the fuck you teach me how to milk cows and raise meat chickens for, stupid fkn public schooling
1027000;1424518978;cazalla;yet agriciulutral school still persists to this day despite every bit of plastic shit being shipped in from china
1027001;1424519055;cazalla;so what happens when ya train a bunch of kids for local industry that no longer exist by the time they become adults? cunts like this lol http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mark_Valera
1027002;1424519056;assbot;Mark Valera - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ... ( http://bit.ly/1D0iB1P )
1027003;1424519121;cazalla;should've known that cunt had a screw lose when he was adamant about shaq attacking every basketball hoop in the township
1027004;1424519389;cazalla;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hTDcKcMSoiI
1027005;1424519390;assbot;Tex Perkins - I Know Y'Know I Know - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1D0jXcI )
1027006;1424519404;cazalla;prob only vexual appreciats the solo t-shirt
1027007;1424519482;chetty;in fairness Internet didn't exist when I was in school, how they gonna train kids for things that haven't been invented yet?
1027008;1424519565;cazalla;primary or high school chetty? we had dial up with netscape in highschool, fucking cunts were adamant about getting me off it, about the same time as the dumb ibm library terminals were shipped out for windows shit as discused here
1027009;1424519604;cazalla;of course net was expensive as shit here, so had bbs as side gig, yearr 8 high school teacher use to call into my board too
1027010;1424519687;cazalla;fkn old hag constantly bitching we were on austnet irc before roll call
1027011;1424519695;cazalla;the fuck else you gonna use the net for back then?
1027012;1424519701;chetty;well the specific 'thing' isnt the point, but the world changes fast and they didnt train car mechanics back in buggy whip days either
1027013;1424519781;cazalla;well, we were still being trained for no existent agricultural jobs in 1998 on the priviso we started them back in like 93 or some shit, god forbid they up and admit there was a fkn cow or farm in the region any longer and the farming lands were all sold to build shitty properties on
1027014;1424519795;cazalla;still shits me, i was promised a farm, all i wanted was a farm.. still.. no farm
1027015;1424519844;jurov;buy some land, feed yourself?
1027016;1424519848;cazalla;i still harbour immense resentment about all this shit
1027017;1424519906;cazalla;jurov, i got a small plot here, problem is in australia, one is expected to work 30-40 years to pay for it
1027018;1424519925;cazalla;my broke ass immigrant opa with less than 2 dimes had his shit paid off in 2 decades
1027019;1424519949;cazalla;now you need a phd just to work the mcdonalds grill
1027020;1424519954;chetty;we are all slaves
1027021;1424520055;chetty;<cazalla> now you need a phd just to work the mcdonalds grill// how else they gonna keep ya in debt for life?
1027022;1424520082;cazalla;something is very fucking wrong when my broke ass opa who couldn't speak a word of fucking english managed to get a job in the steel works and pay off a house in 2 decades and raise 6 kids in the 1950s... not even 2 adults working with 1 kid can do that today here
1027023;1424520150;cazalla;i never fucking had more than a broken ass discussion with him in english, his broken ass polish/german/ russian and yet the dude who slept in a fucking barn as a kid had better prospects coming here in here in here in the 50s than me and the missus do combined
1027024;1424520209;cazalla;i'm not against work mind you
1027025;1424520222;cazalla;but these make work jobs they put you in for 30-40 years at bezzle rates
1027026;1424520239;cazalla;i dunno how ppl are yet to tap out
1027027;1424520288;chetty;people hypnotized by tv and drugged up dont notice
1027028;1424520317;cazalla;i honestly think i'd do better in an enviroment of scare food and where you gotta kill to eat
1027029;1424520337;chetty;a lot of us would
1027030;1424520373;chetty;(why to all those people go join the jihad?)
1027031;1424520383;cazalla;i've been in an environment where beatings were par for the course and told i was fucking lucky and should be grateful because i wasn't raised by the wehrmacht solider himself and didn't cop beatings near as bad
1027032;1424520403;cazalla;well, news here in australiua chetty is some people upset their kids are defecting to IS
1027033;1424520412;cazalla;http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-02-21/perth-student-joins-islamic-state-fighters/6171552
1027034;1424520413;assbot;Islamic State: Perth university student Muhammed Sheglabo joins fighters in Middle East - ABC News (Australian Broadcasting Corporation) ... ( http://bit.ly/1D0osEi )
1027035;1424520447;cazalla;i don't blame em, for a young australian, there is fucking nothing unless you are prepared to work 40 years in a make work job to pay off an inflated piece of shit block with no back yard 2 bedroom pos
1027036;1424520481;chetty;idiot west makes getting ahead impossible, permanent slavery to the state, and then doesn't understand why the kids go join jihad?
1027037;1424520492;cazalla;of all the socialist countries in the western world, australia might in fact be the worst
1027038;1424520515;cazalla;and i am somewhat "privilileged"
1027039;1424520539;cazalla;the ones that come after me though? they are truely fucked
1027040;1424520583;chetty;nah, something will break, a reset is coming
1027041;1424520593;cazalla;i fucking hope so
1027042;1424520603;cazalla;i'm already clinging to a shit rope
1027043;1424520627;cazalla;with the weight of others clingingin to it unware i'm trying to carry them so that they don't fucking starve
1027044;1424520716;chetty;time for some tough love, all those parents with 20+ kids living in the basement should kick em out
1027045;1424520736;cazalla;maybe the kids have no option though
1027046;1424520758;cazalla;i was still living at home on and off during late teens, early 20s despite all the bullshit
1027047;1424520850;chetty;but thats the point, most humans are pretty lazy, as long as they can hide and live off others, they will
1027048;1424520901;cazalla;bezzle makes em dependent, lazy
1027049;1424520923;cazalla;or maybe they just don't want to work dead end make work jobs
1027050;1424520953;chetty;yup, a kick into reality
1027051;1424520956;cazalla;i been looking for work myself atm
1027052;1424520993;cazalla;much like asciilifeform's discussion of people working for #b-a at the liberty of the bezzle or offtime
1027053;1424521004;cazalla;the fucking noose grows tighter, i tell you that now
1027054;1424521032;cazalla;selling btc grants you perhaps additional time but eventually that shit rope will tigthten for good and that angel lust inc
1027055;1424521047;cazalla;yet i can think of nothing worse
1027056;1424521068;cazalla;ya fucking hung as in necked or i go and prostitute myself on a part time basis to keep lights on
1027057;1424521085;cazalla;sometimes i wish i never found this place, i wouldn;t know any fucking better, could've kept towing the line that this is how it's to be
1027058;1424521099;cazalla;this whole fucking bitcoin escapade is bitter sweet
1027059;1424521118;chetty;knowing truth can be painful
1027060;1424521148;cazalla;times like this i regret having a missus and kid
1027061;1424521153;Adlai;is/isil/isis/etc should rebrand as "United States of Islamica"
1027062;1424521165;cazalla;i could survive on noodles myself.. but the kid... i won't have that
1027063;1424521178;chetty;but I for one would not trade it. And ya twice as bad when other depend on you
1027064;1424521197;cazalla;nad yet if bitcoin fulfils its destiny, i'll prob eat a bowl of shit from the kid
1027065;1424521253;cazalla;which makes me contemplate.. mp and physical discipline.. i couldn't imagine hitting my kid.. yet, if my own father didnt flog me with jugcord and leave countless bruises.. i don't think i'd be here today
1027066;1424521258;cazalla;such conflict
1027067;1424521270;cazalla;i value a meal, a roof over my head, a warm bed
1027068;1424521276;chetty;Adlai, maybe thats what O meant about the 57 states ?
1027069;1424521330;chetty;cazalla, your kid is still young, no? the rod comes later
1027070;1424521338;cazalla;13 months
1027071;1424521358;cazalla;i don't know if i could hit him in the fashion my own father hit me
1027072;1424521369;cazalla;and my old man copped it much worse from his father than i did mine
1027073;1424521399;chetty;at that age its hard to imagine them ever doing anything that needs punishment. Things change :)
1027074;1424521410;cazalla;maybe i do my own son an injustice.. say i wind up dead in 15-20 years time and he inherits the lot..
1027075;1424521438;cazalla;i can;t think of anything worse than my son taking what i own just as he hits his late teens, early 20s
1027076;1424521451;cazalla;but my own trajectory.. dead soon enough
1027077;1424521464;cazalla;already live as if on borrowed time
1027078;1424521475;cazalla;hecen drinking oneself stupid
1027079;1424521512;cazalla;goal is just to impart to son that he need not follow rules of society set by bezzle
1027080;1424521538;cazalla;prob serve him better if i drop dead earlier in his life than later
1027081;1424521580;cazalla;up againstg it though
1027082;1424521597;cazalla;everything and everyone wants to instruct him to follow and obey others
1027083;1424521609;cazalla;not that obeying others is wrong.. just wrong people
1027084;1424521649;cazalla;go to school, do your 2+2, watch cartoons, use ipad, earn marks form shitty ass teachers who for some reason or other get to depict student as A+ or F
1027085;1424521704;cazalla;fwiw, i didn't even finish school, plenty of C's D's E's and F's because what they taught was utter shit.. oobedience to the bezzle, obedience to who paid them and kept a roof over their head
1027086;1424521719;chetty;school is great slave training, obey obey obey
1027087;1424521735;cazalla;fail P.E, yet i could beat the shit, or at least put up a fight againt the stronger kids who beat me anyway
1027088;1424521765;cazalla;only fights i lost were against the kids who's own father beat the shit out of them.. and at that point it was not many
1027089;1424521777;cazalla;and you knew.. just by looking at them
1027090;1424521784;cazalla;i use to have fights with 2-3 kids
1027091;1424521813;cazalla;and i'd win, because fighting my own father who would not hesitant to flog me with a jug cord or punch and wind me.. nothin any other kid could muster
1027092;1424521844;cazalla;and the result? oh you are oppositional defiant, you have a conduct disorder
1027093;1424521855;cazalla;fuck them all
1027094;1424521872;cazalla;modern school breeds weak kids so that they breed even weaker kids
1027095;1424521895;punkman;I learned good things in school, but higher ed was a complete disappointment
1027096;1424521900;cazalla;meanwhile the "elite" laugh at the idea that modern conflict can be solved with anything but violence
1027097;1424521905;cazalla;i learned nothing
1027098;1424521921;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15900 @ 0.00038115 = 6.0603 BTC [-]
1027099;1424521925;cazalla;anything i learned was from fidonet which these fucks fought and fought to keep me off the computer
1027100;1424521945;cazalla;close one door, open another, that was the epitome
1027101;1424521982;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19647 @ 0.00037076 = 7.2843 BTC [-]
1027102;1424522064;cazalla;i am not intelligent, never really had the opportunity or desire to reach out for knowledge, nothing more than a class of person who, if dedicated, could become a master wine/cheese/anyfood maker
1027103;1424522087;cazalla;but when such a class of person is robbed of such opportunity, you know it is real over
1027104;1424522268;cazalla;mistake they made, was to allow idiots like me to grasp prometheus' fire, god forbid what the smarter amongst us here have in store for such people
1027105;1424522284;cazalla;i hope you neck every single one of them
1027106;1424522367;jurov;adn what happened with dad's land? so that you ended up without anything
1027107;1424522376;chetty;smart is a very relative thing, that you are here says a lot
1027108;1424522407;cazalla;and if someone like me end up with my hands around your neck? god forbid, well acquainted withe the slaughter of innocent animals, but the guilty?
1027109;1424522421;cazalla;jurov, what i have doesn't even keep pace with the bezzle
1027110;1424522461;jurov;please explain
1027111;1424522472;jurov;did he sell everything and gave you only bezzlars?
1027112;1424522497;cazalla;no, but the cost of electricity, gas and others under the idea of global warming and taxes
1027113;1424522508;cazalla;it'll fucking deplete the lot
1027114;1424522585;cazalla;what took a joe stack to realise in 50 years takes someone like me to realise in 25 years which takes someone to come after 10-15 years
1027115;1424522611;punkman;I got some land that needs a farmer, might have to wait for the btc slaves though
1027116;1424522674;cazalla;<chetty> smart is a very relative thing, that you are here says a lot <<< nope, says that we're near the end
1027117;1424522799;cazalla;when soemone like me strolls into #b-a and becomes a regular, you know it's almost over
1027118;1424522825;punkman;what's almost over?
1027119;1424522850;Adlai;calm before the storm?
1027120;1424522861;cazalla;the current way of doing things where you print shit effortlessly for a lifetime of someone elses hard worked effort
1027121;1424522935;punkman;wishes, horses
1027122;1424522941;Adlai;ugh. several of irl peers work as salespeople, and justify this as their response to bezzle... "we get preyed on, so we prey on others"
1027123;1424523099;cazalla;punkman, what's a wish?
1027124;1424523131;cazalla;you think i'm gonna raise my own to go out into the world, accue large amounts of bezzle debt for a uni degree to work at mcdonalds?
1027125;1424523192;cazalla;i'd be disappointed if he tells the uni recruiter anything less than fuck you
1027126;1424523253;Adlai;does australia have a similar student loan system to the us?
1027127;1424523379;cazalla;uni loans keepspace with inflation.. and not even solider pay keeps up with inflation.. http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/defence-bureaucrats-stung-by-meagre-pay-offer-20150219-13jlz3.html
1027128;1424523381;assbot;Defence bureaucrats stung by meagre pay offer ... ( http://bit.ly/19PIMi6 )
1027129;1424523451;cazalla;gov is more than happy to load you up on debt for b-a
1027130;1424523460;cazalla;fkn kids should get a #b-a instead of a b-a
1027131;1424523467;punkman;cazalla, wishing the bezzle away
1027132;1424523474;punkman;you gonna have to neck them
1027133;1424523502;cazalla;hey, the day a certain someone orders them all lined up and machine gunned, i'll fkn be there
1027134;1424523559;cazalla;im just fucking itching to unlease some bloodlust on orcs and march em forward
1027135;1424523591;cazalla;and if you think i'm fucking kidding, just try me
1027136;1424523595;punkman;also, I'm not gonna care about Zimbabwe bezzle, as long as I'm not there
1027137;1424523622;chetty;<cazalla> what took a joe stack to realise in 50 years takes someone like me to realise in 25 years which takes someone to come after 10-15 years// I dont think it has another 10-15 years left in it
1027138;1424523669;cazalla;chetty, i'm being generous
1027139;1424523712;cazalla;hopefully we have a whole fucking army of joe stack kamikazes
1027140;1424523768;cazalla;pew pew pew
1027141;1424523826;cazalla;i like mp's touch.. 5 year anniversary
1027142;1424523920;cazalla;of course, no-one commented, but if i noticed the timing..
1027143;1424523940;cazalla;kamikaze!
1027144;1424523977;Adlai;too bad "ideas are bulletproof" shoots both ways
1027145;1424523983;Adlai;the enemy is not a person
1027146;1424529085;danielpbarron;height=214124 vs height=188482
1027147;1424529242;[]bot;Bet placed: 3.09885 BTC for No on "BTC to top $500 before 1st May" http://bitbet.us/bet/1120/ Odds: 13(Y):87(N) by coin, 14(Y):86(N) by weight. Total bet: 7.69984479 BTC. Current weight: 93,956.
1027148;1424530523;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17250 @ 0.00038977 = 6.7235 BTC [+] {2} 
1027149;1424536562;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28100 @ 0.00038325 = 10.7693 BTC [-]
1027150;1424536692;BingoBoingo;!up arvicco
1027151;1424536707;BingoBoingo;!up arvicco1
1027152;1424536918;BingoBoingo;O.o http://yro.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=6995429&cid=49100057
1027153;1424536920;assbot;Homeland Security Urges Lenovo Customers To Remove Superfish - Slashdot ... ( http://bit.ly/1FHbjU8 )
1027154;1424537068;dignork;btw Superfish clowns could at least spare some embarrassment if they generated CA cert per customer instead of using hard-coded one.
1027155;1424537137;BingoBoingo;dignork: You mean like the windows AV vendors do?
1027156;1424537267;dignork;well, pretty much anyone doing TLS MitM just creates one key per client/subnet/attack, unless it's USG just using a kosher VeriSign key
1027157;1424537334;BingoBoingo;Makes sense
1027158;1424539067;mircea_popescu;assbot: Greece and creditors agree to extend bailout package << euians saw all the fun usians had with the "debt ceiling", made a little sideshow of their own.
1027159;1424539210;mircea_popescu;kakobrekla: http://xkcd.com/1489/  <<< that's pretty much EXACTLY it. and then various noobs imagine physics is a serious science, while in fact it barely hangs out at the outskirts of credibility, and same noobs imagine stuff like i dunno, psychiatry or "earth sciences" are not kinda as srs as physics "but nevertheless".
1027160;1424539211;assbot;xkcd: Fundamental Forces ... ( http://bit.ly/1zW0jKs )
1027161;1424539250;mircea_popescu;that's what nobody wants to really say about string theory : while it's a ridiculous pile of pasta, it's not *really* that far off from physics.
1027162;1424539316;mircea_popescu;"US Central Command says up to 25,000 troops are being assembled for the Mosul campaign, to take on 1-2,000 ISIL fighters." boooon.... o sa iasa un dezastru...
1027163;1424539395;PeterL;why do they need so many troops?
1027164;1424539427;mircea_popescu;because they don't stand a chance.
1027165;1424539444;mircea_popescu;"well at least there's a lot of us. that gotta count for something."
1027166;1424539492;mircea_popescu;anyway, that they're "iraquis" is ridoinculous beyond belief. not even the usg believes anyone'd believe it, hence the "and kurdish" because supposedly nobody knows who the kurds are. except...
1027167;1424539510;mircea_popescu;"everyone" knows academi has been hiring overtime. these are all mercenaries, they are costing the us more than us troops would have cost
1027168;1424539527;mircea_popescu;and winning a war with mercenaries against those nuts is above what i could accomplish.
1027169;1424539571;PeterL;and us USians still wonder why we are paying for soldiers to derp around on the other side of the world
1027170;1424539603;mircea_popescu;but the move has both putin and the chinese politburo in stitches. seriously, this means the us will never again deploy its own troops. us military just became an extremely expensive jannisary corp.
1027171;1424539713;mircea_popescu;the epic lulz of it tho... so iraq had some 100k under arms that ran off abandoning not just weapons but their very unifortms, and now the us that don't even speak the language found 20k guys who are of the opposite persuasion. heck, if only the iraq state could be as proficiernt, they could have found better soldiers o.O
1027172;1424539773;PeterL;at what point does this mercenary force stop listening to orders and just raiding whoever the feel like?
1027173;1424539780;mircea_popescu;half hour in ?
1027174;1424539815;mircea_popescu;let me remind you that last time the dod threatened to investigate blackwater the response (from the ceo) was : if you try we'll just kill your "investigator" and that'll be that.
1027175;1424539818;mircea_popescu;so they... didn't.
1027176;1424539829;PeterL;seems like we are building a monster we wont be able to control
1027177;1424539842;mircea_popescu;that's coupla decades ago.
1027178;1424539885;PeterL;but we keep feeding it, at some point it won't need our food anymore
1027179;1424539900;mircea_popescu;if you raise your children badly, it's not that they won't NEED it
1027180;1424539911;mircea_popescu;is that at some point they'll stop merely taking what you provide and start beating you.
1027181;1424539978;chetty;"US Central Command says up to 25,000 troops are being assembled for the Mosul campaign, to take on 1-2,000 ISIL fighters."//next notice to include specific deployment schedules and routes, never fear
1027182;1424539988;mircea_popescu;paris police is regularly ordered to stand down from organised muslim crime. what exactly is so special about paris ?
1027183;1424539997;mircea_popescu;all these dudes can just move to new york, rob banks. what's to stop them ?
1027184;1424540003;mircea_popescu;the discussion is in the logs on this score.
1027185;1424540027;mircea_popescu;chetty its because they [perhaps correctly] figure they need the outside reinforcement.
1027186;1424540043;mircea_popescu;ie, why will this force do what we tell them to ? well... because thewy saw it on tv.
1027187;1424540056;chetty;rofl
1027188;1424540077;mircea_popescu;i've never seen nuttery on this level before. seriously, "soft politics" is one thing, "oh we're so good we control teh ppl with the media".
1027189;1424540087;mircea_popescu;applied in lieu of chain of command ? what are these people smoking!
1027190;1424540089;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: simpler than that.
1027191;1424540148;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: theory goes that no well-fed u.s. 400k-usd/yr academi demolitions expert or whatnot has the slightest desire to be king of the orcs
1027192;1424540160;asciilifeform;because orcs
1027193;1424540167;mircea_popescu;mircea_popescu> "everyone" knows academi has been hiring overtime. << these are all noobs.
1027194;1424540184;mircea_popescu;think about it. GREEN mercenaries vs allah's host.
1027195;1424540231;asciilifeform;green with infinite air support ?
1027196;1424540252;BingoBoingo;<mircea_popescu> think about it. GREEN mercenaries vs allah's host. << Don't forget the mercenaries that aren't green in the peshmerga who want their own state carved out of Turkey
1027197;1424540257;mircea_popescu;somebody in the us ACTUALLY SET TO PAPER the thought that well, since they're noobs that's a strategic advantage, "nobody will be able to know they're not as described on tin, iraq/kurd"
1027198;1424540273;chetty;green mercs, green commanders, micro management from on high = a sure fire recipe
1027199;1424540280;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform i dunno how infinite that is. but "infinite" didn't help vietnam
1027200;1424540291;mircea_popescu;chetty makes your skin crawl don't it.
1027201;1424540309;chetty;it do, it do
1027202;1424540310;*;asciilifeform not specialist, but remembers that vietnam had, e.g., leaf cover
1027203;1424540317;asciilifeform;and good soviet support
1027204;1424540330;mircea_popescu;o, im sure nobody is supporting the arabs o.O
1027205;1424540347;asciilifeform;arabs or 'isis'
1027206;1424540358;asciilifeform;iirc there's some disagreement among the arabs at large
1027207;1424540379;mircea_popescu;sure.
1027208;1424540411;asciilifeform;unless i grossly misunderstand, it's not a 'us vs arabs' match, but a 'small faction of uppity orcs vs whole bunch of other folks incl. most of the neighbouring orcs' match.
1027209;1424540413;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo yeah, but turkey's an ally in this campaign o.O
1027210;1424540426;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform i would say that's a gross misrepresentation.
1027211;1424540460;mircea_popescu;it's a "us vs one of the football teams of the Y. they do nominally vie for supremacy. they do not in the slightest mind any one team take the world cup"
1027212;1424540492;mircea_popescu;it's like a rite of passage, for arabs, pissing on the great satan. whoever does it best is just more respectable, is all.
1027213;1424540579;mats;i don't believe the kurds will actually fight inside mosul
1027214;1424540627;mircea_popescu;i don't see it either.
1027215;1424540637;mircea_popescu;but as a kind-of minor point. what fucking kurds.
1027216;1424540706;BingoBoingo;<mats> i don't believe the kurds will actually fight inside mosul << There's a time and place the Kurds will fight, but first the need to go through the motions of leveraging all of the phree stuff they can from Obola
1027217;1424540773;mats;BingoBoingo: i believe the kurds will be on the outskirts of mosul, pulling security
1027218;1424540797;mircea_popescu;what i'd like to see is what the fuck "humint" provided the 1-2k figure is all.
1027219;1424540800;mats;as i understand it, they don't want to wade into shia sunni violence and catch some political fallout in the process
1027220;1424540814;mircea_popescu;sadly i don't see too well inside teh golden crescent. no real interest for me there.
1027221;1424540831;BingoBoingo;mats: Here prolly. Give it a decade or two. The Mujahadeen didn't become Al Queda until Osama needed to handle pensions.
1027222;1424540910;mircea_popescu;that's an interesting point.
1027223;1424540993;BingoBoingo;Right now the talking heads in the media keep talking about how we need to arm the Kurds further, and how far we are from fulfilling their requests in total.
1027224;1424541012;mircea_popescu;lawl.
1027225;1424541031;mircea_popescu;oh gods i am so thankful to have been born in the first ever Age of Comedy
1027226;1424541042;mircea_popescu;no golden age before is worth all of this golden lulz.
1027227;1424541061;mats;help help i'm being oppressed
1027228;1424541068;thestringpuller;except the golden age of comics
1027229;1424541081;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo seriously, SERIOUSLY ? like... like... like soviet broadcasts in 1940 ?
1027230;1424541094;mircea_popescu;about how hard teh ppl are workin to supply thje salvation army and what % quotas were supplied ?
1027231;1424541101;BingoBoingo;I remember earlier this week some radio host talking about how Obama is only giving the Peshmerga 20 so Armoured personel carriers instead of the 120 som the Pershmerga needs
1027232;1424541105;mircea_popescu;as if someone somewhere is actually busy putting mill to metal to "supply" the needs ?
1027233;1424541110;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: Seriously
1027234;1424541116;mircea_popescu;hilarious.
1027235;1424541205;mircea_popescu;Adlai: though combustion is not requires, vapor is also nice and would suffice << this guy so fried...
1027236;1424541215;mircea_popescu;talkin' in verses n speakin' in rhymes
1027237;1424541321;BingoBoingo;https://np.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/2wm3h7/eli5_why_is_amir_taaki_important_and_why_do_some/cos48ko << Megalol, Companion loling >> https://www.reddit.com/r/Buttcoin/comments/2wnjjt/bitcoiners_find_out_what_the_dark_in_darkwallet/
1027238;1424541324;assbot;ELI5: Why is Amir Taaki important and why do some people dislike him. : Bitcoin ... ( http://bit.ly/17lL86I )
1027239;1424541326;assbot;Bitcoiners find out what the "dark" in darkwallet means, try to justify it. : Buttcoin ... ( http://bit.ly/17lL7Qk )
1027240;1424541386;mircea_popescu;someone post the immortal http://trilema.com/2012/amir-taaki-has-done-and-continues-to-do-huge-disservice-to-anyone-serious-involved-in-bitcoin/
1027241;1424541387;assbot;Amir Taaki has done, and continues to do, huge disservice to anyone serious involved in Bitcoin. pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.  ... ( http://bit.ly/17lLeeB )
1027242;1424541441;BingoBoingo;Well they got to the ancient https://bitcointalk.org/?topic=3066.0 first
1027243;1424541441;assbot;Erotic chat by Skype ... ( http://bit.ly/17lLhHh )
1027244;1424541498;mircea_popescu;lol aite.
1027245;1424541510;mircea_popescu;sa crew keeping the lid on him eh.
1027246;1424541599;BingoBoingo;Yeah. Not with the Amir is incompetent angle, but the Amir is a perv angle
1027247;1424541619;mircea_popescu;chetty: how they gonna train kids for things that haven't been invented yet? << maybe give up on the trainin' ? the greeks had the same problem, had solution : music, sport, grammar and logic. and fuck them.
1027248;1424541651;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo i take it back, they prolly know the material, let 'em manage it. i can't be arsed to follow amir. whoever does, can call the shots.
1027249;1424541749;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-02-2015#1027022 << ayup.
1027250;1424541749;assbot;Logged on 21-02-2015 12:01:22; cazalla: something is very fucking wrong when my broke ass opa who couldn't speak a word of fucking english managed to get a job in the steel works and pay off a house in 2 decades and raise 6 kids in the 1950s... not even 2 adults working with 1 kid can do that today here
1027251;1424541766;BingoBoingo;Inflation
1027252;1424541806;mircea_popescu;nono, "easing'
1027253;1424541928;BingoBoingo;sorry, relaxing and lubricaing
1027254;1424541955;mircea_popescu;cazalla: sometimes i wish i never found this place, i wouldn;t know any fucking better, could've kept towing the line that this is how it's to be << famous words.
1027255;1424541971;fluffypony;QUANTITATIVE easing
1027256;1424541978;fluffypony;because that word makes it sound better
1027257;1424541978;mircea_popescu;im bashing the shit outta cazalla lol.
1027258;1424541988;mircea_popescu;fluffypony it has the crisp feel of SCIENCE
1027259;1424542001;fluffypony;exactly
1027260;1424542008;fluffypony;"scientists say quantitative easing is BETTER"
1027261;1424542009;mircea_popescu;"give us your quality of life, have some quantity of stupid instead!"
1027262;1424542024;fluffypony;"it's better because easing, like it makes your life easier"
1027263;1424542057;mircea_popescu;"like remember that time you cut yourt cock off ? how easier peeing became ?"
1027264;1424542070;asciilifeform;dulap!!
1027265;1424542082;mircea_popescu;lmao
1027266;1424542152;mircea_popescu;cazalla: such conflict << conflict is the stuff of life, man. an' how one resolves conflicts is what separates teh men from teh...
1027267;1424542154;mircea_popescu;well whatever.
1027268;1424542240;mircea_popescu;so im getting this supplier to invoice me in bitcoin, and they've been working on it, making their own btc accounting software an errything.
1027269;1424542261;mircea_popescu;overnight, i get an email invoice 20 times. clearly, progress.
1027270;1424542343;mircea_popescu;"cazalla: and the result? oh you are oppositional defiant, you have a conduct disorder" << waiot wut ?!  how old are you after all
1027271;1424542395;mircea_popescu;"oppositional defiant", the "disorder" of "we suck"
1027272;1424542460;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: you gotta remember Australia is a pioneer is "social sciences" ESL retardations. They pioneer these things for USia and Lower Britain.
1027273;1424542467;mircea_popescu;nuts.
1027274;1424542493;mircea_popescu;so organised oppression of the 10% leadership ? very fucking smart.
1027275;1424542749;BingoBoingo;Australia kind of led the way in developing "Outrage Fatigue"
1027276;1424542767;mircea_popescu;!up Asenath
1027277;1424542775;mircea_popescu;i had no idea.
1027278;1424543770;ben_vulpes;asciilifeform: "not under any circumstances payable in cash" << you live in the weirdest bubble.
1027279;1424544013;Adlai;"scientists say quantitative easing is BETTER" << "turn your economy around with this one weird trick!", "anarchists HATE him!"
1027280;1424544049;Apocalyptic;lol
1027281;1424544050;Adlai;+mircea_popescu | talkin' in verses n speakin' in rhymes << it's just https://xkcd.com/312/
1027282;1424544051;assbot;xkcd: With Apologies to Robert Frost ... ( http://bit.ly/1LqMmg6 )
1027283;1424544106;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: absentee landlord on opposite coast
1027284;1424544120;ben_vulpes;https://github.com/Homebrew/homebrew/issues/31164#issuecomment-50284751 << shitgnomes.
1027285;1424544122;assbot;Unsigned kexts cannot be used on 10.10 · Issue #31164 · Homebrew/homebrew · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1LqMxrN )
1027286;1424544133;ben_vulpes;asciilifeform: deposit directly into their bank account?
1027287;1424544169;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: cash ?
1027288;1424544173;ben_vulpes;sure, why not
1027289;1424544183;ben_vulpes;that what you were going on about
1027290;1424544208;asciilifeform;can do this at bank ?
1027291;1424544225;asciilifeform;let's say you could. how do you prove you paid ?
1027292;1424544229;ben_vulpes;(and re unsigned kexts: it's shitgnomes on shitgnomes. os x no longer runs unsigned kexts, the solution for which is to...distribute binaries)
1027293;1424544230;mats;counter deposit receipt
1027294;1424544241;ben_vulpes;receipt, trust.
1027295;1424544316;Adlai;tlsnotary!
1027296;1424544331;Adlai;which is basically "receipt", since you're still trusting the bank
1027297;1424544444;Apocalyptic;<asciilifeform> can do this at bank ? // that's the preferred way to trade at -otc
1027298;1424544486;Apocalyptic;apparently at Chase you can no longer deposit into accounts you're not the holder of, but at other banks presumably this still works
1027299;1424544495;ben_vulpes;that's rich.
1027300;1424544500;ben_vulpes;the window is closing.
1027301;1424544531;ben_vulpes;asciilifeform: i'm not saying you won't *be* right, but in your quest to get out in front of how the world will be you're not looking at how the world is.
1027302;1424544563;ben_vulpes;"doom gloom, the fascists know all" attitude keeps you doing what they want.
1027303;1424544730;Adlai;a sufficiently paranoid populace needs no persecution
1027304;1424544832;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: goes deeper than my superficial explanation suggests. i was really on about the difficulty of 'bitcoinizing' fundamentally fiat-wot-based business arrangements
1027305;1424544863;asciilifeform;that is, say i had landlord who is paid in cash, and he decides that months's bag of money 'never happend'
1027306;1424544865;asciilifeform;then what
1027307;1424544884;ben_vulpes;sure. i'll read more thoroughly next time i'm a thousand lines behind.
1027308;1424544889;ben_vulpes;granted, a problem.
1027309;1424544900;asciilifeform;it works if we were both, say, italians, where 'it isn't done', or if i were part of an ethonmafia that will cause him problems in the event of raw deal
1027310;1424544903;asciilifeform;but neither applies
1027311;1424544904;ben_vulpes;but one of the wot, no?
1027312;1424544913;mircea_popescu;<asciilifeform> let's say you could. how do you prove you paid ? << don't be silly, this is a triviality.
1027313;1424544913;asciilifeform;*ethnomafia
1027314;1424545037;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: every problem is a triviality to folks who can't even conceive of having it
1027315;1424545043;asciilifeform;on account of weight class
1027316;1424545057;mircea_popescu;but the notion that you can't make payments... i mean ? just too weird.
1027317;1424545062;mircea_popescu;you do get a receipt for the txn
1027318;1424545104;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: you probably knew this, but large (how large is 'large' varies based on the day's 'terrorism thermometer') cash tx in u.s. banks require id and are reported
1027319;1424545117;mircea_popescu;well yes.
1027320;1424545131;asciilifeform;so that defeats the purpose of the exercise of using cash.
1027321;1424545136;asciilifeform;as was meant to
1027322;1424545137;mircea_popescu;it won't be possible for you to anonymously send cash to some guy you don't know. necessarily.
1027323;1424545148;mircea_popescu;but you are, phyusically, using the cahs.
1027324;1424545150;punkman;I've never paid rent not in cash :P
1027325;1424545154;asciilifeform;then same as cutting a cheque
1027326;1424545157;asciilifeform;or sending a wire
1027327;1424545168;mircea_popescu;see, you're equivocating. one purpose of using cash is anonymity. ANOTHER pourpose is to just get rid of the plutonium crate.
1027328;1424545172;mircea_popescu;these aren't the same.
1027329;1424545174;asciilifeform;in that 'usg knows you had $xxxx that day in your pocket'
1027330;1424545197;asciilifeform;'get rid of' in the sense of 'make use of without giving half of it to usg'
1027331;1424545203;mircea_popescu;exactl.y
1027332;1424545204;asciilifeform;or getting on lists
1027333;1424545227;mircea_popescu;ah, well, there's more angles to the problem. you need a good tax attorney, a llc structure, etc etc.
1027334;1424545237;asciilifeform;suddenly it costs $100k to move $100k
1027335;1424545240;asciilifeform;what if you only have 10.
1027336;1424545251;mircea_popescu;no, it costs 100k to have the infrastructure in place.
1027337;1424545258;mircea_popescu;like you know ddr2 ? must meet min speed ?
1027338;1424545259;asciilifeform;granted.
1027339;1424545280;asciilifeform;but everyone already knew that the problem, after a certain scale, is solvable
1027340;1424545281;mircea_popescu;investing in this infrastructure is 3 or more degrees of magnitude more valuable than investing in college for you your kid your slave your dog.
1027341;1424545293;mircea_popescu;yet MILLIONS do the latter. do not tell me it is impossible.
1027342;1424545299;mircea_popescu;it is unwilled, but that is entirely for silly reasons.
1027343;1424545319;asciilifeform;millions do the latter << heavily subsidized by usg
1027344;1424545324;mircea_popescu;nevertheless.
1027345;1424545331;asciilifeform;for instance, i pay ~1.5x - 2x per sq. metre of housing than my colleagues
1027346;1424545339;asciilifeform;on account of rent not being a tax-deductible item in usa
1027347;1424545340;mircea_popescu;it is in fact a rehash of the "i can't run bitcoin on linux because i have windows"
1027348;1424545345;asciilifeform;(while debt slavery - is)
1027349;1424545352;mircea_popescu;buy a corp with debt.,
1027350;1424545356;mircea_popescu;rent as the corp.
1027351;1424545376;asciilifeform;this is a 'must be this tall to play' affair, as described above
1027352;1424545382;asciilifeform;need the infrastructure
1027353;1424545392;mircea_popescu;yes. like not running windows, it's a "this tall to play" affair.
1027354;1424545423;mircea_popescu;you will notice that we fall on this matter as follows : you're significantly more stringent than me on one score, and significantly laxer than me on the other.
1027355;1424545426;asciilifeform;except that linux is free (yeah, aha, 'if your time has no value' - well guess what, mine - didn't - as a student)
1027356;1424545454;mircea_popescu;this alone should be prima facie evidence i'm actually right.
1027357;1424545459;asciilifeform;hmm?
1027358;1424545516;mircea_popescu;not clear ?
1027359;1424545523;asciilifeform;afraid not
1027360;1424545559;asciilifeform;so far i don't disagree - the problem i described could indeed be magicked away entirely and semi-permanently by judicious application of ~100k usd
1027361;1424545569;mircea_popescu;person presents with complaint "i can not correctly use bitcoin because im on windows". on a scale of -10 to +10, where -10 is "that's ok, you shoulsd use windows" and 10 is "fuck you get off windows anywhay right now no mattert the cost" you average about a -8, i about a -1
1027362;1424545585;[]bot;Bet created: "CLAM losing grip -> sells 0.0029 or lower before April 25th" http://bitbet.us/bet/1121/
1027363;1424545589;mircea_popescu;other person presents with complaint "i can not correctly use bitcoin because i'm on bezzle". you average +8, i average the same -1.
1027364;1424545596;mircea_popescu;this divergence suggests you're wrong.
1027365;1424545630;mircea_popescu;s/-1/+1/ apparently numbers are hard and signs harder.
1027366;1424545665;asciilifeform;see, linux is free if you had the upbringing, but 100k might as well be 100kg of plutonium as far as i'm concerned
1027367;1424545679;mircea_popescu;you are mixing concepts.
1027368;1424545679;asciilifeform;hence the difference
1027369;1424545687;mircea_popescu;how convenient something is can not be a part of discussing what to do
1027370;1424545698;mircea_popescu;it can only be considered once what to do is established, and the discussion moves on to how to do it.
1027371;1424545705;asciilifeform;how physically feasible something is, must be included
1027372;1424545719;mircea_popescu;just as long as it's not a re-dressed convenience argument.
1027373;1424545728;mircea_popescu;there's no physics law against sanity, yet.
1027374;1424545775;asciilifeform;what'd be the 'sanity' ?
1027375;1424545799;mircea_popescu;obviously, i'm a great student of the mouse school of jar handling.
1027376;1424545819;asciilifeform;if it costs 100k to be let out of asylum and not have the thorazine injected daily, should we still think of the sanity in the usual sense of the word ?
1027377;1424545878;mircea_popescu;well nao, i'll have to think about that.
1027378;1424545884;*;asciilifeform is one of the numerous mice on parade here in #b-a who go 'thchwack' against the glass daily
1027379;1424545892;mircea_popescu;this is true.
1027380;1424545936;asciilifeform;but to tell mouse that there is no glass, and it is only a figment of his perceptions, is an odd thing imho
1027381;1424545976;mircea_popescu;well this case more closely resembles teh trained electric fence thing
1027382;1424545979;asciilifeform;or to tell him that in the garden shed where his jar stands, in a toolchest there is a glass-cutter.
1027383;1424546009;mircea_popescu;haha pretty good
1027384;1424546016;mircea_popescu;but i still dun think it's a fair eval.
1027385;1424546322;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27577 @ 0.00039825 = 10.9825 BTC [+] {2} 
1027386;1424546503;asciilifeform;the mouse is a perfect analogy here, because his efforts at glass-breaking are not in any way cumulative
1027387;1424546566;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23503 @ 0.00038325 = 9.0075 BTC [-]
1027388;1424546570;asciilifeform;he'd have to live for ten thousand years in the jar to make so much as a visible mark in the glass.
1027389;1424546897;chetty;but from the outside he could get the glass cutter and do some damage :P
1027390;1424547005;asciilifeform;with teleporter ?
1027391;1424547211;Adlai;... and the jar's floor is a treadmill, each shelf's mills singing a parallel circuit to power the shed's dingy incandescent
1027392;1424547298;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20500 @ 0.00037076 = 7.6006 BTC [-]
1027393;1424547475;thestringpuller;fucking uncle sam wanting more and more taxes
1027394;1424547494;thestringpuller;i realize paying taxes is so futile with our insatiable defecit
1027395;1424547521;thestringpuller;letz borrow monies 4 gunz plz
1027396;1424548270;asciilifeform;cazalla: no, but the cost of electricity, gas and others under the idea of global warming and taxes [and rest of that thread] << if it makes ya feel better - far worse in usa. i, for instance, know for a fact that i will never own any lands here.
1027397;1424548403;asciilifeform;danielpbarron: in other news, i got netbsd ramdisk to build.
1027398;1424548419;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes, mod6, jurov, mircea_popescu, et al ^^^
1027399;1424548579;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26200 @ 0.00037229 = 9.754 BTC [+]
1027400;1424549959;ben_vulpes;asciilifeform: neat!
1027401;1424549976;ben_vulpes;for the ignoramuses like myself, how does the ramdisk figure into the pop project?
1027402;1424550057;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=20-02-2015#1026168
1027403;1424550057;assbot;Logged on 20-02-2015 17:53:11; ascii_field: danielpbarron: at present time there is no support whatoever for the eeprom in netbsd. this means that it can be used, but only if the userland (yes, all of it) is baked into a ramdisk baked into the kernel (which in turn is loaded by uboot in one shot at powerup)
1027404;1424550084;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=20-02-2015#1026169
1027405;1424550084;assbot;Logged on 20-02-2015 17:53:43; ascii_field: danielpbarron: the netbsd kernel and userland are sufficiently compact (vs linux) to make this a worthwhile exercise
1027406;1424550113;ben_vulpes;ah so whole os running out of ram? loaded in...one shot at boot.
1027407;1424550118;asciilifeform;aha
1027408;1424550144;asciilifeform;this is SOP on very cheap routers with minimal, low-endurance eeprom
1027409;1424550204;nubbins`;re: logs
1027410;1424550207;asciilifeform;it is also a good approach because it forces all the crud to be expunged with hot iron
1027411;1424550230;nubbins`;why do i get the impression that nobody wants to exit the hamster cage because the wheel and watering tube are really nice and convenient?
1027412;1424550243;ben_vulpes;omg this channel is the most educational thing in my life
1027413;1424550254;nubbins`;o.O
1027414;1424550284;nubbins`;"i really wanna lose weight, but big macs are just so good and i gotta have 10 a day"
1027415;1424550328;nubbins`;bunch of guys so wrapped up in bezzle trappings that they don't realize their cage door is wide open
1027416;1424550338;ben_vulpes;yes i'm an idiot
1027417;1424550341;ben_vulpes;i started a company
1027418;1424550349;ben_vulpes;i now have obligations
1027419;1424550354;ben_vulpes;da woist
1027420;1424550359;asciilifeform;nubbins`: analogy fall apart easily enough if nudged: you can readily tell the glutton what he would have to do if he were to seize hold of himself and climb out of his fat with iron will
1027421;1424550374;asciilifeform;nubbins`: why dontcha try telling us condemned fools the equivalent
1027422;1424550405;asciilifeform;glutton: 'eat 1/10th, take up hard training'
1027423;1424550426;*;asciilifeform , ben_vulpes, et al: ???
1027424;1424550433;nubbins`;i don't /really/ think i need to tell you guys that tears are a necessary ingredient to un-fucking your situations
1027425;1424550444;kakobrekla;nubbins` local pain minimum
1027426;1424550445;asciilifeform;nubbins`: sure, but -what kind- of tears
1027427;1424550465;nubbins`;fierce, bitter tears. as opposed to a dull, prolonged weeping.
1027428;1424550475;asciilifeform;^ zero information here
1027429;1424550493;ben_vulpes;the only thing i can think to do is accumulate capital.
1027430;1424550495;asciilifeform;what's the equivalent of the 'stop gluttony and exercise' here
1027431;1424550495;ben_vulpes;"rocket"
1027432;1424550499;asciilifeform;^
1027433;1424550506;nubbins`;asciilifeform: stop waste and save.
1027434;1424550509;asciilifeform;but nubbins` is implying that rocket is unnecessary if iron will
1027435;1424550512;nubbins`;sounds blithe, no?
1027436;1424550516;ben_vulpes;move to argentina and do webdev remotely.
1027437;1424550526;asciilifeform;nubbins`: this requires something to save and some waste to cut
1027438;1424550527;ben_vulpes;now *that*s tears.
1027439;1424550541;nubbins`;asciilifeform that's where the tears come in
1027440;1424550551;kakobrekla;seems to me destination is getting further and further away also
1027441;1424550557;nubbins`;you know i took a ninety per cent pay cut two years ago?
1027442;1424550570;asciilifeform;nubbins`: elementary fact is that i can only keep my wot obligations (s.nsa) if i have present level of equipment and time
1027443;1424550580;asciilifeform;and fiat income
1027444;1424550600;kakobrekla;thats his excuse now.
1027445;1424550606;nubbins`;i ^
1027446;1424550636;nubbins`;unless you're leasing said equipment, don't you already have it?
1027447;1424550676;asciilifeform;the most costly piece of equipment is time.
1027448;1424550685;nubbins`;just so it's not glossed over, i said earlier that i took a 90% pay cut in 2013
1027449;1424550705;nubbins`;and someone with a link to the stats can take a stab at how much time i spend dicking around on irc
1027450;1424550709;nubbins`;how do you suppose i can manage this?
1027451;1424550714;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6897 @ 0.00037983 = 2.6197 BTC [+]
1027452;1424550725;asciilifeform;nubbins`: now that part's very easy, you don't need blocks of time to dick on irc
1027453;1424550732;asciilifeform;a few seconds here and there are enough
1027454;1424550752;nubbins`;sure.
1027455;1424550788;nubbins`;consider the statement suitably modified
1027456;1424550847;nubbins`;but what i'm saying is that while cutting one's income from a gross of ~$60k to a net of ~$6k necessarily involves severe lifestyle changes
1027457;1424550866;asciilifeform;depends where 6k
1027458;1424550868;nubbins`;it's not at all the grim spectre that all you guys think it is.
1027459;1424550882;nubbins`;location?
1027460;1424550890;nubbins`;my home cost just under a quarter-million for reference.
1027461;1424550891;asciilifeform;6k/yr probably buys you a harem in, e.g., zimbabwe
1027462;1424550908;asciilifeform;nubbins`: lol! 6k would not even pay the tax on such a thing here.
1027463;1424550921;nubbins`;net 6k, i said 8)
1027464;1424550933;asciilifeform;canuckistan ?
1027465;1424550953;nubbins`;yeah, the socialist paradise. i get hit by a car, they fix me for free
1027466;1424550981;nubbins`;anyway, i fill two empty bedrooms with like-minded individuals with schedules that suit me
1027467;1424550981;asciilifeform;nubbins`: i pay ~700 usd/mo just for some distant approximation of that
1027468;1424550985;nubbins`;mortgage: paid.
1027469;1424551030;nubbins`;my wife and i collectively have to scrounge together about $400 per month to keep this house going
1027470;1424551062;nubbins`;that's two hundred bucks each, per month. $7 a day.
1027471;1424551072;asciilifeform;nubbins`: neat
1027472;1424551103;nubbins`;i used to make that in 13 minutes at my old job
1027473;1424551107;nubbins`;now it takes me a bit longer
1027474;1424551111;asciilifeform;nubbins`: but to imply that everyone who is not in your position is necessarily a spendthrift who would be a winner but for the 'fatlogic' - is disingenuous
1027475;1424551120;decimation;<asciilifeform> can do this at bank ? // that's the preferred way to trade at -otc < yes, most us banks will let you deposit anything into one of their accounts, no questions asked
1027476;1424551124;nubbins`;but y'know what? i don't have to lie in bed every morning wondering whether i'll call in sick
1027477;1424551127;decimation;for obvious reasons
1027478;1424551139;nubbins`;asciilifeform far be it from me to say this is a cure-all
1027479;1424551147;asciilifeform;decimation: i can believe this. but then you lose what small protection was provided by the fiat wot
1027480;1424551154;nubbins`;all i'm saying is that one can surprise oneself
1027481;1424551155;asciilifeform;decimation: as in, ability to prove that you paid
1027482;1424551165;decimation;well, you can get a deposit receipt from the bank
1027483;1424551173;asciilifeform;decimation: aha. then usg also has receipt
1027484;1424551177;asciilifeform;decimation: see the clincher ?
1027485;1424551179;ben_vulpes;and that's not a wot, that's a system.
1027486;1424551187;decimation;yes, but not your identity
1027487;1424551189;ben_vulpes;you're not using the wot unless you're trusting your counterparty.
1027488;1424551217;decimation;although it was a large cash transaction I'm sure it would inspire a degree of interest
1027489;1424551221;nubbins`;asciilifeform i sort of gloss over the fact that years of reading "mother earth news" before taking the plunge took most of the edge off it
1027490;1424551225;nubbins`;but hey
1027491;1424551237;nubbins`;what's a young anti-consumerist to do ;/
1027492;1424551245;decimation;banking at any bank is banking with usg
1027493;1424551272;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes, decimation: the point that i was trying - and failing - to make, was that a fundamentally fiat-based business arrangement like renting a house from a fella on opposite end of continent who you've never met and never expect to meet, cannot be 'bitcoinized' in the sense of turning you loose from usg financial jail
1027494;1424551304;nubbins`;^
1027495;1424551308;nubbins`;bitcoin all the things
1027496;1424551325;ben_vulpes;well duh it can't be bitcoinized - you don't know him and so cannot trust him.
1027497;1424551359;asciilifeform;as for the inevitable question of what i must be smoking to have done this at all - it's a consequence of the geography in which i'm trapped (a handful of houses advertised for rent in my price range at any given moment - if that; the most tilted 'seller's market' one could imagine)
1027498;1424551367;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes has it
1027499;1424551385;decimation;yeah it could be bitcoinized only in the special case that he is in your wot
1027500;1424551393;nubbins`;ascii where's here, anyway
1027501;1424551403;decimation;even if he was, the landlord has to pay his expenses in usd
1027502;1424551405;asciilifeform;nubbins`: wash., d.c. region; usa.
1027503;1424551415;nubbins`;o, fun
1027504;1424551417;nubbins`;i guess?
1027505;1424551422;asciilifeform;nubbins`: lol
1027506;1424551425;asciilifeform;very 'fun'
1027507;1424551426;nubbins`;heart of the beast
1027508;1424551438;asciilifeform;nubbins`: literally 20 min. away from the classical nsa
1027509;1424551439;nubbins`;i heard it smells like brimstone there
1027510;1424551476;asciilifeform;more like the festering hell in 'hellraiser' than the traditional one
1027511;1424551627;ben_vulpes;concrete and cars everywhere
1027512;1424551635;asciilifeform;well, not here
1027513;1424551641;*;asciilifeform does not live in the city limits
1027514;1424551652;asciilifeform;closer to university of md.
1027515;1424551659;ben_vulpes;classic 'suburbs'?
1027516;1424551662;asciilifeform;aha
1027517;1424551672;asciilifeform;funnily enough, mostly bolivia, salvador, argentina folks here.
1027518;1424551674;ben_vulpes;dead end streets and all?
1027519;1424551679;ben_vulpes;interesting.
1027520;1424551681;ben_vulpes;why would that be?
1027521;1424551715;asciilifeform;self-fulfilling-loop involving prices
1027522;1424551748;nubbins`;well, if nothing else, i get the scarce rental market thing
1027523;1424551755;punkman;asciilifeform: if punkman had factory in china, would you come rent floor space in bitcoin?
1027524;1424551755;nubbins`;this place was below 1% vacancy for quite a time
1027525;1424551756;decimation;yeah northeast dc is overrun with salvadorians
1027526;1424551758;*;ben_vulpes did not parse the loop construct
1027527;1424551766;nubbins`;my last rental before purchasing had -- literally -- a mold room
1027528;1424551781;asciilifeform;punkman: if i had an income denominated in btc, sure
1027529;1424551788;*;decimation once went to the guatamala v. salvador match in rfk stadium - the entire place was full to the rafters
1027530;1424551807;punkman;asciilifeform: well you'd have to move, so no more usd job
1027531;1424551817;asciilifeform;punkman: i ain't breathing vacuum
1027532;1424551852;asciilifeform;nubbins`: scarce rental market thing << you don't know half of it. virtually unheard of to rent a house here, other than by gigantic groups of immigrants or students living like sardines in can
1027533;1424551891;decimation;actually in most 'modern' us developments it is against the hoa rules to have more than one family - sometimes even roommates - living there
1027534;1424551910;asciilifeform;decimation: aha. this contributes to the scarcity of the overall market
1027535;1424551920;asciilifeform;because individual renting house is almost entirely unheard of
1027536;1424551928;asciilifeform;so i pay a 'weirdo tax'
1027537;1424551939;asciilifeform;as does anybody who does a 'crazy' thing for which the market is ultra-thin
1027538;1424551956;decimation;actually there are plenty of single-payer rentals around your area
1027539;1424551961;decimation;they just pay with usg fiat
1027540;1424551965;asciilifeform;well yes
1027541;1424551968;asciilifeform;everybody pays with fiat
1027542;1424551980;decimation;I mean usg housing allowance
1027543;1424551988;asciilifeform;for free-standing building ?
1027544;1424551992;decimation;oh yeah
1027545;1424551994;asciilifeform;not so common
1027546;1424552005;decimation;read this and be amazed
1027547;1424552006;decimation;http://militarybenefits.info/bah-rates-state/district-of-columbia-dc/
1027548;1424552007;assbot;2015 D.C. BAH (Basic Allowance Housing) Rates by MHA | Military Benefits ... ( http://bit.ly/1B1peDy )
1027549;1424552018;asciilifeform;aha army officers
1027550;1424552026;decimation;not just officers
1027551;1424552047;decimation;even a lowly E-1 rates $2140 per month with dependents
1027552;1424552061;decimation;as you can imagine, this sets a 'floor' in the market
1027553;1424552071;asciilifeform;and then mircea_popescu asks why these folks don't buy one way tickets and join 'isis'
1027554;1424552078;asciilifeform;because wtf, why.
1027555;1424552092;asciilifeform;they're rolling in the dough.
1027556;1424552117;decimation;I had a friend in the wash dc area that calculated an O3 officer (roughly BS degree plus 5 years experience) makes about $140k in wash dc
1027557;1424552141;asciilifeform;no great surprise.
1027558;1424552150;ben_vulpes;i imagine most of that gets hoovered into rentier pockets.
1027559;1424552157;asciilifeform;this doesn't include private 'consulting' gigs, also, which many of these folks take part in
1027560;1424552189;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: of course it does
1027561;1424552222;decimation;ben_vulpes: yes, the deal with the housing is this: you get the full amount I quoted tax free
1027562;1424552228;decimation;whatever you don't spend on housing you pocket
1027563;1424552231;asciilifeform;!
1027564;1424552251;ben_vulpes;rightous.
1027565;1424552256;ben_vulpes;righteous*
1027566;1424552264;decimation;unless you live on base, in which case you get nothing
1027567;1424552265;asciilifeform;this actually explains quite a bit
1027568;1424552273;decimation;maybe mats can confirm if he's around
1027569;1424552294;mats;you get paid to live off base if you're E-5
1027570;1424552322;decimation;the whole business works out to be a backdoor gov't subsidy for the real estate bezzle near bases
1027571;1424552328;mats;folks are encouraged to get married so they can eat fo free
1027572;1424552334;mats;BAH for E-5 iirc is like... 35k alone?
1027573;1424552344;mats;(basic allowance for housing)
1027574;1424552358;mats;might be 20, i never made it to E-5.
1027575;1424552363;asciilifeform;decimation: iirc, usg also automatically buys the house at bezzle-planned rate if you get relocation orders
1027576;1424552369;asciilifeform;further propping up the faux market
1027577;1424552371;decimation;$2286 per month for e5 with family
1027578;1424552391;decimation;yes that's a separate program, but they will buy your house at 'prevailing rates'
1027579;1424552403;decimation;and cover closing costs I think
1027580;1424552409;ben_vulpes;asciilifeform: buys house they're moving out of or moving into?
1027581;1424552417;mats;being an ossifer is good shit if you can live with the job
1027582;1424552417;decimation;moving out
1027583;1424552418;asciilifeform;out
1027584;1424552425;ben_vulpes;waat
1027585;1424552434;ben_vulpes;w-w-why
1027586;1424552443;asciilifeform;because they move you
1027587;1424552444;decimation;now, I think there are well over 200k of military in your area ascii
1027588;1424552457;decimation;so imagine what that alone does to the local real estate bezzle...
1027589;1424552467;ben_vulpes;oh wait the subsidy is for your *mortgage* not your *rent*
1027590;1424552467;asciilifeform;decimation: not only ordinary ones, but heavy on brass
1027591;1424552514;decimation;yeah that's roughly 1/2 to one billion $ per year in your area alone, usg paid rent
1027592;1424552541;asciilifeform;then factor in the 'white men need not apply' subsidized housing from the other half of usg
1027593;1424552546;asciilifeform;and what's left is a very thin slice.
1027594;1424552561;decimation;yes, the section 8-A rent subsidy too
1027595;1424552655;decimation;well, the better way to think about it is that there are well over $1 bil bidding up the prices
1027596;1424552662;asciilifeform;aha
1027597;1424552666;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8200 @ 0.00040309 = 3.3053 BTC [+]
1027598;1424552682;decimation;and that's before you count anyone who is trying to live on salary from an employer
1027599;1424552685;asciilifeform;plus the $xxx bil of tax deduction subsidies for the mortgage racket as a class
1027600;1424552698;asciilifeform;(which renters get none whatsoever of)
1027601;1424552709;decimation;yes, that's a massive real estate scam
1027602;1424552722;decimation;the bottom line is that all of this inflates the real estate asset bubble
1027603;1424552740;decimation;which can levitate to whatever degree usg chooses, as long as it keeps these pipes flowing
1027604;1424552811;decimation;asciilifeform: do you have a favorite 'static code analysis' tool?  or do you eschew all such automation in favor of 'fits in head'?
1027605;1424552822;asciilifeform;decimation: code analysis ?
1027606;1424552834;asciilifeform;as in 'lint' ?
1027607;1424552838;decimation;for instance, you mentioned the 'cert c' standard yesterday
1027608;1424552852;decimation;I think there are tools sold to evaluate compliance with that standard
1027609;1424552858;asciilifeform;that thing was largely about how to write (or, more correctly, -not to write-) in the first place
1027610;1424552869;asciilifeform;and yes, there are such things. i have no personal experience with them.
1027611;1424552899;decimation;it seems with a pl like ada, it mostly comes 'built-in'
1027612;1424552904;asciilifeform;aha
1027613;1424552921;asciilifeform;built in to a degree that folks who have never seen it, cannot possibly apprehend.
1027614;1424552931;asciilifeform;this is why the 'safe c' experiments never really went anywhere
1027615;1424552942;asciilifeform;because that market is already thoroughly owned by the ada folks
1027616;1424552967;decimation;yeah it seems like a waste of time trying to turn the c-dialect of algol into the ada dialect
1027617;1424552971;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 49132 @ 0.00040309 = 19.8046 BTC [+]
1027618;1424552987;asciilifeform;decimation: notice how 'cyclone' never remotely caught on, etc
1027619;1424553007;asciilifeform;because the fate of ugly chimeras is to sit in a circus
1027620;1424553013;asciilifeform;not on the street near respectable people
1027621;1424553032;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22968 @ 0.0004037 = 9.2722 BTC [+] {2} 
1027622;1424553058;decimation;asciilifeform: speaking of which: https://github.com/sellout/CL-LLVM
1027623;1424553059;assbot;sellout/CL-LLVM · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1B1tMcU )
1027624;1424553074;asciilifeform;^ mega-lol
1027625;1424553146;decimation;asciilifeform: or this http://compcert.inria.fr/ < it's a 'formally verified' C compiler
1027626;1424553147;assbot;CompCert - Main page ... ( http://bit.ly/1B1ubw3 )
1027627;1424553184;decimation;I downloaded and used, and found it immediately failed to compile anything that included gnu C extensions
1027628;1424553185;asciilifeform;decimation: i honestly can't say i'm at all interested in 'formally verified' proggy
1027629;1424553191;asciilifeform;(to learn why - see log)
1027630;1424553194;asciilifeform;even if it worked.
1027631;1424553220;asciilifeform;unlike ada, it is not actually possible to program in c -as standardized-
1027632;1424553223;decimation;yeah I have read.  what I don't understand is why anyone would think that the compiler is the weak link in the C software stack
1027633;1424553237;asciilifeform;because ken thompson
1027634;1424553266;decimation;ah, he's one of the new jersey folks?
1027635;1424553274;asciilifeform;everyone obsesses over 'sexy' traps while ignoring rusty old spikes that are everywhere
1027636;1424553280;asciilifeform;decimation: 'reflections on trusting trust'
1027637;1424553296;asciilifeform;!s trusting trust
1027638;1424553297;assbot;10 results for 'trusting trust' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=trusting+trust
1027639;1424553299;cazalla;i think i need a keyboard fitted with a breathalyzer
1027640;1424553303;decimation;yeah you have linked before
1027641;1424553316;asciilifeform;one of the most well-known experiments in the entire field
1027642;1424553342;asciilifeform;i was genuinely floored when learned for the fist time that there are folks using a computer who have never so much as vaguely heard of it
1027643;1424553446;decimation;well, certainly it could be the case that the compiler is untrustworthy, but much higher on my list of concerns is that some combination of new-jersey syscalls I'm using in my code will stab me in the back
1027644;1424553457;asciilifeform;^
1027645;1424553460;asciilifeform;almost guaranteed.
1027646;1424553593;decimation;also the link that ben_vulpes dropped about feynman working at thinking machines was interesting.  I didn't know he worked there
1027647;1424553603;asciilifeform;it was his 'last hurrah'
1027648;1424553619;asciilifeform;but iirc all that is publicly known about his work there, is in that piece.
1027649;1424553643;decimation;yeah, it sounded to me like he was mostly helping to 'sell' the machines to academic types
1027650;1424553649;decimation;as in 'sales engineer'
1027651;1424553672;asciilifeform;iirc not a single such machine sold to anyone but usg or a directly usg-funded org.
1027652;1424553701;asciilifeform;consider also that the 'connection machine' was not usable at all except as an expansion plug-in to a symbolics lispm
1027653;1424553710;asciilifeform;yes, plugged into a jack in the back
1027654;1424553729;decimation;heh that's amusing
1027655;1424553810;danielpbarron;asciilifeform> danielpbarron: in other news, i got netbsd ramdisk to build. << yay! in related news, i got some links from a guy in #olimex who tackled this problem back in 2013; haven't checked it out yet / just got back from stocking up for the impending snow storm
1027656;1424553826;asciilifeform;which problem
1027657;1424553854;danielpbarron;the netbsd ramdisk thing
1027658;1424553875;asciilifeform;danielpbarron: the trick is to run nbmake-evbarm from your TOOLS path, rather than nbmake
1027659;1424553880;asciilifeform;this is not documented.
1027660;1424553897;asciilifeform;then ramdisk gets built
1027661;1424553917;asciilifeform;(the default one. still need to cut unnecessary crud from it)
1027662;1424553934;asciilifeform;next problem is how to get it to automatically bake into the kernel .ub image during build.
1027663;1424553961;decimation;lol apple https://developer.apple.com/news/?id=02202015a "Beginning May 1, 2015, new Mac apps and app updates submitted to the Mac App Store may no longer use garbage collection, which was deprecated in OS X Mountain Lion."
1027664;1424553962;assbot;Mac Apps That Use Garbage Collection  Must Move to ARC  - News and Updates - Apple Developer ... ( http://bit.ly/17FUEBC )
1027665;1424554114;punkman;http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2015/02/accused-british-hacker-wanted-for-crimes-in-us-wont-give-up-crypto-keys/
1027666;1424554116;assbot;Accused British hacker, wanted for crimes in US, won’t give up crypto keys | Ars Technica ... ( http://bit.ly/17FV9LU )
1027667;1424554447;nubbins`;re: ramdisk awwwwww yeah!
1027668;1424554497;nubbins`;asciilifeform this'll work on purple and blue units, yeah?
1027669;1424554530;asciilifeform;nubbins`: in principle
1027670;1424554579;asciilifeform;nubbins`: i'll just have it probe (and if doesn't find blockchain, format) the largest mass storage device found at boot
1027671;1424554585;asciilifeform;on whatever interface
1027672;1424554605;asciilifeform;in the purple unit, that'll necessarily be a usb drive
1027673;1424554620;asciilifeform;on black pogo4 (what i have) - sata
1027674;1424554636;nubbins`;nod
1027675;1424554675;ben_vulpes;hola trinque
1027676;1424554697;asciilifeform;incidentally
1027677;1424554704;asciilifeform;there's no reason why we can't do an x86 build of this
1027678;1424554706;asciilifeform;'bitcoinbios'
1027679;1424554716;asciilifeform;rom-able a la 'corebios' (formerly 'linuxbios')
1027680;1424554801;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10382 @ 0.00041302 = 4.288 BTC [+] {3} 
1027681;1424554816;danielpbarron;s/black/purple/    they are both black; one has blue logo, other has purple logo, which is removed with the cap that covers sata port
1027682;1424554873;asciilifeform;for some reason i thought the question was about the 'pink pogo'
1027683;1424554886;asciilifeform;which has a somewhat different shape, and no sata port
1027684;1424554905;asciilifeform;it also (curiously) costs more
1027685;1424554909;asciilifeform;but is more widely available
1027686;1424554971;fluffypony;decimation: I don't get what's lol about that, .NET faces the same issue (as have many high-level abstractions / languages), whereby trying to force GC collections or modify GC behaviour invariably ends up being messy. Frankly, handing off to a reference counting system is way, way better than GC bullshit.
1027687;1424555032;fluffypony;also their transition doc has a 2013 timestamp, so if developers have taken 2 years to cotton on to changes then wtf, they should choose a different career
1027688;1424555065;fluffypony;API stability != complete API freeze forever, and the same goes for patterns and practices
1027689;1424555081;asciilifeform;ahahaha no.
1027690;1424555091;asciilifeform;fuck centrally imposed 'practices'
1027691;1424555104;fluffypony;yes, let's all decentralise all of the things
1027692;1424555105;fluffypony;fuck off
1027693;1424555108;asciilifeform;i routinely build code from 20 yrs ago.
1027694;1424555111;asciilifeform;and it runs.
1027695;1424555116;fluffypony;you're amazing, asciilifeform
1027696;1424555116;assbot;AMAZING COMPANY!
1027697;1424555134;fluffypony;but your rhetoric is boring
1027698;1424555136;asciilifeform;now it isn't on c/unix. that'd require magic tough
1027699;1424555142;fluffypony;and your reliance on ancient is overdone
1027700;1424555144;fluffypony;we get it
1027701;1424555152;fluffypony;old is good, new is bad
1027702;1424555168;fluffypony;but not all new is bad.
1027703;1424555170;fluffypony;get over it.
1027704;1424555179;asciilifeform;new can be a pleasure if done for some actual reason and not because a monkey changed the label on a knob
1027705;1424555193;asciilifeform;requiring everyone to drop everything and 'get into compliance'
1027706;1424555196;fluffypony;sure, GC -> ARC is changing the label on a knob
1027707;1424555199;fluffypony;Apple is bad, Android is good
1027708;1424555204;fluffypony;but GWBASIC is best.
1027709;1424555207;fluffypony;etc. etc.
1027710;1424555211;asciilifeform;gwbasic lol
1027711;1424555217;fluffypony;the circlejerk gets old after a while
1027712;1424555239;asciilifeform;android works in much the same way as apple's regime, iirc
1027713;1424555253;*;asciilifeform not involved with either, cannot say for certain
1027714;1424555365;asciilifeform;fluffypony: i can easily see how you might have arrived at this, but you must be ~111th one in a row to think that i like 'old' for sake of old
1027715;1424555388;fluffypony;it was directed generally, not at you specifically
1027716;1424555412;asciilifeform;but this is actually a popular hate mail subject
1027717;1424555420;fluffypony;the rejection of every abstraction, every high-level language, simply because it makes things slightly easier
1027718;1424555424;fluffypony;at the cost of X
1027719;1424555440;asciilifeform;fluffypony: my particular favourite language (cl) is as high level as it gets.
1027720;1424555467;asciilifeform;(short of chimeras in the vein of 'prolog' where anything you cook up is likely to be asking machine np-complete questions)
1027721;1424555743;punkman;fluffypony: don't tell us you love systemd now :P
1027722;1424555783;fluffypony;hah
1027723;1424555847;asciilifeform;now, i get it, damn-near everybody is stuck in his particular gulag. fluffypony, it appears, is sitting in barrack where what-happens-in-apple-os-matters. i'm in one where they use weird zimbabwe money. etc. but being in jail doesn't mean you have to -like- it and deny the existence of outside.
1027724;1424555870;*;fluffypony loves Zimbabwe
1027725;1424555874;fluffypony;pity about their moneyh
1027726;1424556258;decimation;fluffypony: what about rhodesia?
1027727;1424556299;decimation;my original 'lol' was because I see 'centrally imposed' memory management as worse than garbage collection
1027728;1424556317;decimation;but it is understandable why apple would want it on their c-machines
1027729;1424556336;fluffypony;my mum was born in the then-christened Rhodesia
1027730;1424556340;asciilifeform;the 'centrally imposed' i was speaking of was the 'apple says -shit-, devs answer -what colour-' one
1027731;1424556340;fluffypony;ah well
1027732;1424556352;*;fluffypony mehs
1027733;1424556356;fluffypony;Linux is centrally controlled
1027734;1424556368;decimation;the kernel is, yes
1027735;1424556372;fluffypony;Linux says -shit-, everyone answers -what colour-
1027736;1424556374;fluffypony;yes
1027737;1424556376;decimation;userland is trying to usurp it
1027738;1424556384;asciilifeform;but how often linus commands 'shit'
1027739;1424556393;asciilifeform;last time was in the 2.4 - 2.6 transition, really
1027740;1424556404;decimation;he's getting kinda old and tired frankly
1027741;1424556412;fluffypony;so Apple is saying -shit- about a language, and fuck, it's their language (inasmuch as they're the only ones still using it)
1027742;1424556425;danielpbarron;my portugese speaking american samoan born connecticut raised friend apparently had an aunt that owned land in rodesia  (phew what a mouth full)
1027743;1424556430;decimation;fluffypony: apple has been pulling this kind of thing for decades
1027744;1424556446;fluffypony;decimation: so it doesn't affect non-Apple-users
1027745;1424556447;decimation;the world's greatest thing that solves all the problems becomes the 'deprecated feature' 3 years later
1027746;1424556454;fluffypony;or non-Apple-developers
1027747;1424556460;fluffypony;and the hate circlejerk is boring
1027748;1424556463;decimation;fluffypony: well, no
1027749;1424556485;fluffypony;hey I know, let's complain about how Coinbase is ruining Bitcoin with their centralisation!
1027750;1424556490;fluffypony;that's not been done, right?
1027751;1424556492;asciilifeform;l0l
1027752;1424556492;decimation;it's an interesting specimen for folks to study
1027753;1424556502;fluffypony;it's fucking boring
1027754;1424556524;asciilifeform;fluffypony: the pill against coinbase is precisely the same as the one against apple: 'don't do it'
1027755;1424556552;fluffypony;asciilifeform: precisely, but *everyone in this room already knows*
1027756;1424556633;fluffypony;it becomes a circlejerk when "preaching to the choir" devolves, and here we are
1027757;1424557380;ben_vulpes;fluffypony: don't disturb the cult!
1027758;1424557385;ben_vulpes;we must all sing in harmony.
1027759;1424557390;ben_vulpes;shun the nonbeliever.
1027760;1424557560;*;decimation wishes to shun nobody, but is somewhat mystified about how to discern between tidbits of data that relate to long-running discussions and 'boring' 'preaching to the choir'
1027761;1424558610;ben_vulpes;dude ruby what the ever loving fuck
1027762;1424558676;ben_vulpes;i am tempted to make a vm for this ruby project.
1027763;1424558689;ben_vulpes;because seriously sudo install libs to system?
1027764;1424558691;ben_vulpes;fuck off!
1027765;1424558748;asciilifeform;in other news,
1027766;1424558751;asciilifeform;netbsd on pogo.
1027767;1424558757;asciilifeform;with arbitrary whatever in ramdisk.
1027768;1424558846;mats;http://www.devopsbookmarks.com
1027769;1424558847;assbot;DevOps Bookmarks ... ( http://bit.ly/1JxhcGn )
1027770;1424558984;danielpbarron;i'm still trying to get that to work
1027771;1424559050;decimation;asciilifeform: does this mean you installed on the pogo's nand flash?
1027772;1424559092;jurov;remind me to revisit this back in 10 years ...whether fluffypony will still endorse such changes (or apple at all) by then
1027773;1424559305;*;nubbins` prepares to cheer
1027774;1424559316;nubbins`;apple? best bsd box i ever owned
1027775;1424559344;*;nubbins` cackles shrilly
1027776;1424559377;nubbins`;hm
1027777;1424559380;nubbins`;shrillishly?
1027778;1424559387;nubbins`;shrillly definitely isn't right
1027779;1424559697;jurov;http://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2015/feb/21/a-feast-of-engineering-whats-really-in-your-food
1027780;1424559726;jurov;til about the " fresh ready to eat" salads
1027781;1424559742;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16597 @ 0.0004344 = 7.2097 BTC [+]
1027782;1424559742;ben_vulpes;neat, mats
1027783;1424559909;decimation;jurov: http://www.econtalk.org/archives/2015/01/greg_page_on_fo.html < related
1027784;1424559910;assbot;" + soundfiledesc + " ... ( http://bit.ly/1JxjmWw )
1027785;1424559954;mats;convention for fake food huh
1027786;1424560063;ben_vulpes;decimation: thanks for the econtalk recommendation
1027787;1424560158;decimation;yeah, the next episode he interviews taleb on gmos
1027788;1424560171;decimation;actually the cargill guy was not super-pro gmo
1027789;1424560191;decimation;I didn't even know cargill was the biggest private company in the us
1027790;1424560227;decimation;"Guest: One, we could feed the world without GMOs; there are other practices that we could follow. So the idea that we are prisoners of this technology I think is something that should be dispelled. On the other hand, I don't think we should try that. I think if our water is precious, if our topsoil is precious, if we really care about the hydrocarbon footprint that we have in terms of the amount of cultivation that we need to carry
1027791;1424560229;decimation;out, that we should think very carefully about eliminating or demonizing genetic engineering."
1027792;1424560352;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 51111 @ 0.00043439 = 22.2021 BTC [-] {2} 
1027793;1424560448;danielpbarron;asciilifeform, is this the same documentation you've been looking at? -> http://www.netbsd.org/docs/kernel/porting_netbsd_arm_soc.html
1027794;1424560450;assbot;NetBSD Documentation: Porting NetBSD to a new ARM SoC ... ( http://bit.ly/17mdhuC )
1027795;1424560657;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2367 @ 0.00043127 = 1.0208 BTC [-]
1027796;1424562681;ben_vulpes;<mircea_popescu> [] it's really not hard to block. but domestic isps = blockheads. << hurr durr
1027797;1424562921;mircea_popescu;aha ?
1027798;1424562930;mircea_popescu;you threatenin me ?!
1027799;1424562990;mircea_popescu;in other news, car upskirt http://40.media.tumblr.com/13e662976dbcb63c57b5183056a60fc4/tumblr_n9f219yd4L1rx7eu1o1_1280.jpg
1027800;1424562991;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/17mgYjJ )
1027801;1424563188;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform: danielpbarron: in other news, i got netbsd ramdisk to build. << o hey wd. what was the catch ?
1027802;1424563232;mircea_popescu;nubbins`: why do i get the impression [...] << because you're an asshole. just like me.
1027803;1424563273;ben_vulpes;mircea_popescu: just appreciating the pun
1027804;1424563284;mircea_popescu;hehe
1027805;1424563294;mircea_popescu;i need tp for my punhole.
1027806;1424563341;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33800 @ 0.00045029 = 15.2198 BTC [+]
1027807;1424563426;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform: what's the equivalent of the 'stop gluttony and exercise' here << start dating whores.
1027808;1424563488;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes: now *that*s tears. << i met a chick that quit her previous job, is learning to program in html nao.
1027809;1424563499;mircea_popescu;but it's kinda complicated.
1027810;1424563524;mircea_popescu;nubbins`: you know i took a ninety per cent pay cut two years ago? << you actually made money at some point ?!
1027811;1424563541;jurov;mircea_popescu: with due respect, are you sure asciilifeform can attract any federal-level whore?
1027812;1424563564;mircea_popescu;but this is a quantitative discussion and he was making a qualitative challenge
1027813;1424563567;mircea_popescu;"what type of thing".
1027814;1424563619;jurov;you too mentioned obama daughters and so explicitly
1027815;1424563631;mircea_popescu;inasmuch as i understand it, his chief complaint was, "no criminal empire footprint". easiest way to get into that, from memory, is dating the whores.
1027816;1424563656;mircea_popescu;most common, of course, is spending some time in jail, but hey.
1027817;1424563768;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 77500 @ 0.00047354 = 36.6994 BTC [+] {2} 
1027818;1424563795;*;jurov just remembered how it woks among fags. yes, mircea is right
1027819;1424564096;mircea_popescu;nubbins`: what's a young anti-consumerist to do ;/ << shit look at that, "mother earth news" is actually a thing.
1027820;1424564129;ben_vulpes;mircea_popescu: good for her?
1027821;1424564134;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9200 @ 0.00047857 = 4.4028 BTC [+]
1027822;1424564137;ben_vulpes;kinda curious about the complexity
1027823;1424564144;mircea_popescu;you know, for a cult this chan is one of the most diverse places in the world.
1027824;1424564153;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes direct quote. "but it's kinda complex"
1027825;1424564171;mircea_popescu;i explained a little about the difference between imperative and notation, i think she got the gist.
1027826;1424564189;ben_vulpes;hah yeah i mean you have to learn 3 different chodes at the same time
1027827;1424564192;ben_vulpes;html, css and js
1027828;1424564195;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19632 @ 0.00045846 = 9.0005 BTC [-] {2} 
1027829;1424564213;mircea_popescu;js is sort-of imperative i guess.
1027830;1424564223;mircea_popescu;kinda like c pigdin neh ?
1027831;1424564269;mircea_popescu;but otherwise the css/html difference is not unlike the "food division" and "detergent division" difference at unilever.
1027832;1424564294;mats;http://i.imgur.com/PeOkDNJ.jpg
1027833;1424564296;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/17mj2Z7 )
1027834;1424564332;mircea_popescu;not bad but why teh panties!
1027835;1424564368;mircea_popescu;http://33.media.tumblr.com/a95259be42394afc640ab15ac6586113/tumblr_n7es4w3GnH1sgp77yo1_400.gif
1027836;1424564371;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/17mj96T )
1027837;1424564453;ben_vulpes;fish move
1027838;1424564492;*;mats adds cattle prod to purchase list
1027839;1424564514;mircea_popescu;stop objectifying women.
1027840;1424564523;mircea_popescu;it's a cuntprod.
1027841;1424564569;ben_vulpes;cunts are objects too
1027842;1424564593;thestringpuller;that's hawt
1027843;1424564605;thestringpuller;i can't stop watching this gif
1027844;1424564613;mats;as a boy i found a guide for modifying a disposable camera into a single-use taser
1027845;1424564629;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform: this actually explains quite a bit << why did you think the pentagon spends so much.
1027846;1424564633;mats;i used it on my buddy and he shit himself. one of my fonder memories of childhood.
1027847;1424564644;mircea_popescu;mats the flash ?
1027848;1424564653;mats;ever since, i've wanted to buy a taser, but modern things have tags now
1027849;1424564658;mats;yeah
1027850;1424564681;mircea_popescu;you can basically build a taser out of a battery and a capacitor
1027851;1424564694;mircea_popescu;whioch means, "Any old tv set"
1027852;1424564700;ben_vulpes;conveniently packaged in disposable cameras!
1027853;1424564739;mats;i've never given any thought to building one
1027854;1424564747;mircea_popescu;mats: folks are encouraged to get married so they can eat fo free << which is how the dependopopotami are born. "i don't care about the chick but i gotta be married for money so w/e"
1027855;1424564769;mats;although its a reasonable segue into building other toys ... like shock gloves for bum fights
1027856;1424564786;thestringpuller;lol shock gloves!
1027857;1424564786;*;mats adds it to the list
1027858;1424564805;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 44768 @ 0.00045846 = 20.5243 BTC [-]
1027859;1424564816;mircea_popescu;http://i.imgur.com/YHMjGGf.jpg
1027860;1424564817;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1B2jRnq )
1027861;1424564826;thestringpuller;mats: http://www.adultswim.com/videos/the-boondocks/the-black-power-fist/
1027862;1424564839;mats;ya i know
1027863;1424564859;mats;i'm a fan
1027864;1424564887;thestringpuller;mats: mah nigga
1027865;1424564905;mats;i'm yellow on the outside and black on the inside
1027866;1424564913;thestringpuller;Hahaha
1027867;1424564926;thestringpuller;chocolate twinkie?
1027868;1424564946;mircea_popescu;"tricare, formerly known as chump-us"
1027869;1424564961;mats;i've been on the search my whole life for a proper descriptor
1027870;1424564963;mircea_popescu;mats you mean yellow as in azn ?
1027871;1424564974;mats;yes. surprise!
1027872;1424564992;mircea_popescu;do you agree with that fat fag's evaluation that no women ever date azns ?
1027873;1424565024;mats;uh
1027874;1424565029;mats;no
1027875;1424565058;mats;certainly, asians are undersexualized in e.g. US media, but i haven't had problems picking up white women
1027876;1424565080;mircea_popescu;myeah. BUT HE HAD STATISTICS
1027877;1424565122;thestringpuller;what's with the US and the pursuit of bwg (basic white girl)?
1027878;1424565139;mircea_popescu;thestringpuller if you look at the demos, it's the most common item on menu.
1027879;1424565142;thestringpuller;mircea_popescu: over there with all the brazillian hotties.
1027880;1424565150;mircea_popescu;like salmon at the seafood restaurant
1027881;1424565169;thestringpuller;most highly sexual girls I've met spoke portuguese as a first language
1027882;1424565205;mats;i prefer 'bwg' over 'abg' (asian baby girl)
1027883;1424565216;mircea_popescu;i think anyone under 55 or so does.
1027884;1424565271;mircea_popescu;i don't think*
1027885;1424565280;mats;!ud ABG
1027886;1424565282;mircea_popescu;or wait. no, it was right the first time
1027887;1424565314;mats;;;ud ABG
1027888;1424565315;gribble;http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=ABG | An acronym for an "aznbbygirl" meaning an asian female gangster. ABG's like to hang with gangsters and wear thin (slutty) clothing. They like to ju...
1027889;1424565335;thestringpuller;aren't ABG's over sexualized?
1027890;1424565385;mircea_popescu;gangster ?!
1027891;1424565394;mircea_popescu;somebody was having a tough time in class.
1027892;1424565480;mats;thestringpuller: hows that?
1027893;1424565508;mats;maybe we're exposed to different media, but i don't see it
1027894;1424565538;thestringpuller;ah, always thinking of the ABG's in high school/early college who would hang out with negros
1027895;1424565564;thestringpuller;lots of make up, skimpy clothes
1027896;1424565590;thestringpuller;"rumors" from the guys (note how I said "rumors")
1027897;1424565684;mircea_popescu;aren't skimpy/no clothes mandatory in college anyway ?
1027898;1424565704;mats;i mean, asian women are hypersexualized in p much the same way as black dudes in media
1027899;1424565737;thestringpuller;mircea_popescu: although it is the most common item on the menu, there is still some "allure" as a minority "banging one out"
1027900;1424565753;mats;i've read a few things here and there about 'the white man's asian fetish' and 'the hyper-femininity of the asian woman'
1027901;1424565787;mircea_popescu;i dunno... i kinda aren't attracted to other types, by and large. i assume it's similar across cultures.
1027902;1424565913;thestringpuller;i guess the media portrayal of the sorority bwg places a false imagination
1027903;1424565949;mircea_popescu;where's this depicted in media ?
1027904;1424566078;thestringpuller;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spring_Breakers << stuff like this
1027905;1424566116;mircea_popescu;but this is specific softcore/exploitation. in comes in all color schemes neh ?
1027906;1424566127;mircea_popescu;i guess for black girls it's mostly rap videos and derivative material.
1027907;1424566158;mircea_popescu;grossed 30mn over a 5mn budget. not exactly a killer anyway.
1027908;1424566240;mircea_popescu;"I cannot speak to the contents," he told Ars via online chat. "Except that they are mine. This is the only salient detail as far as I'm concerned. I am not on trial, nor is my data, and I am under no obligation to speak for it. But my property is being withheld from me, and that must be justified. The current justification is due to the inability of the NCA to understand certain data. It remains for them to establish
1027909;1424566240;mircea_popescu;why this is my problem and for the court to decide if this gives them authority to convert chattel."
1027910;1424566255;mircea_popescu;ha! this Lauri Love dude got it right.
1027911;1424566311;mircea_popescu;"As a matter of policy, we generally do not comment on extradition-related matters."
1027912;1424566316;mircea_popescu;herp. as if fucking policy matters.
1027913;1424566330;mircea_popescu;"as a matter of policy, we don't comment on rape cases" should be the new rape trial defense.
1027914;1424566338;mircea_popescu;because POLICY. it's a reason now.
1027915;1424566360;thestringpuller;mircea_popescu: i guess for black girls it's mostly rap videos << hmm perhaps American media just blinds one to the broader cultural spectrum
1027916;1424566366;mircea_popescu;"You have no idea how much we can fuck with the US government if we wanted to," Love told a hacking colleague in one exchange over Internet relay chat, prosecutors alleged. "This... stuff is really sensitive. It's basically every piece of information you'd need to do full identity theft on any employee or contractor" for the hacked agency.
1027917;1424566371;mircea_popescu;this, for the record, is exactly correct.
1027918;1424566410;mircea_popescu;any single usg employee's security, in all respects, continues at the MERCY of unidentified party. in no sense and in no manner does it flow from usg-anything.
1027919;1424566425;mircea_popescu;you're still there, your house is still there, your family is still there because we can't be bothered to take them away. that's all.
1027920;1424566614;mircea_popescu;fluffypony: Frankly, handing off to a reference counting system <<< "One day a student came to Moon and said: I understand how to make a better garbage collector. We must keep a reference count of the pointers to each cons. Moon patiently told the student the following story: One day a student came to Moon and said: I understand how to make a better garbage collector..."
1027921;1424566689;mircea_popescu;but sure, it'd be great if it worked.
1027922;1424566741;mircea_popescu;wow lol, that log bit got pretty intense huh.
1027923;1424566858;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform: now, i get it, damn-near everybody is stuck in his particular gulag.  << hey, you made your bed for yourself here :D lie in it! he can't get out because he can't get out, what more do you want ? :D
1027924;1424566937;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform: but how often linus commands 'shit' << an argument of an entirely different consistency hehehe
1027925;1424566947;mircea_popescu;man i miss out on the best logs.
1027926;1424566987;mircea_popescu;http://40.media.tumblr.com/9af3649f763191c778bc1eee6fbf4909/tumblr_ngzbtp8QvJ1trst71o1_400.jpg << this is an illustration on the fertile juicy ideas i miss out on and so forth.
1027927;1424566988;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1D400BP )
1027928;1424567005;asciilifeform;l0l!
1027929;1424567009;asciilifeform;^ that looks industrial
1027930;1424567046;mircea_popescu;http://41.media.tumblr.com/3061dc1244af510c2168542c45f1943c/tumblr_ngijxgsWZ51tk0hzgo1_500.jpg urinal to go with industrial.
1027931;1424567047;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1D40gRv )
1027932;1424567071;mircea_popescu;decimation: he's getting kinda old and tired frankly << yeah we should have a linus retierment betting pool
1027933;1424567080;asciilifeform;most common, of course, is spending some time in jail, but hey << workin' on that
1027934;1424567099;asciilifeform;at least jail's free (for now)
1027935;1424567119;mircea_popescu;only if you go there lawfully. otherwise you have to pay.
1027936;1424567150;asciilifeform;disposable camera into a single-use taser << why single use. charge cap again, again. who here -hasn't- done this?!
1027937;1424567166;asciilifeform;battery and a capacitor << mircea_popescu has it
1027938;1424567191;mircea_popescu;no i don't. i used to, but then my mother threw a shitfit once she realised why her aunt's entire chicken population was dizzy
1027939;1424567226;mircea_popescu;so they BURIED IT. somewhere. i was in the fucking sticks. couldn't get another one for coupla weeks, until back to town, at which point...
1027940;1424567228;mircea_popescu;no chickens.
1027941;1424567245;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 132350 @ 0.0004196 = 55.5341 BTC [-]
1027942;1424567314;asciilifeform;!b 7
1027943;1424567314;assbot;Last 7 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/30SPFQX.txt )
1027944;1424567590;mircea_popescu;decimation: out, that we should think very carefully about eliminating or demonizing genetic engineering." << to a large degree, the debate is sorely misstated. nobody is seriously discussing "genetic engineering". what's being discussed is, "let's make random combinations of genetic material we do not at all understand and see what happens. this will necessarily result in novel/ununderstood proteins and other hydrocar
1027945;1424567590;mircea_popescu;bons being synthetised. the plan kingdom is, historically, the largest producer of poisons on the planet and to a large degree a controller of animal population counts and animal species survival rates, which is why you even need a liver in the first place - notice that your imune system doens't REALLY have an organ (thymus, w/e)." this is not "genetic engineering", this is chromogambling.
1027946;1424567596;mircea_popescu;and yes i typed all that in the box!
1027947;1424567636;thestringpuller;mircea_popescu: http://40.media.tumblr.com/9af3649f763191c778bc1eee6fbf4909/tumblr_ngzbtp8QvJ1trst71o1_400.jpg << hood nigga's dream
1027948;1424567640;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: by and large, nothing interesting (not even new poison!) happens if you mutate at random.
1027949;1424567647;mircea_popescu;i can readily live with a complete demonization of chromogambling. it would not do anything, in my head, to either engineering or genetics.
1027950;1424567662;thestringpuller;I wish I was one of those black guys :(
1027951;1424567663;asciilifeform;that style of 'engineering' is 1940s state of the art
1027952;1424567668;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform the substantial difference between ENGINEERING and GAMBLING is important here
1027953;1424567672;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8850 @ 0.0004196 = 3.7135 BTC [-]
1027954;1424567677;asciilifeform;when folks would 'let that thing eat gamma until almost dead, then plant it'
1027955;1424567708;asciilifeform;who and where is still doing this, i cannot say
1027956;1424567730;mircea_popescu;how do you think the gmo stuff is made ? same principle, different lego blocks
1027957;1424567743;mircea_popescu;thestringpuller why ? and if so, join some swinger's club.
1027958;1424567744;asciilifeform;nope.
1027959;1424567768;mircea_popescu;do tell.
1027960;1424567791;thestringpuller;mircea_popescu: why? << Maybe subconciously I fetishize white girls? I honestly don't know.
1027961;1424567838;asciilifeform;not same principle. snippets of synthetic nucleic acid are used, it goes (or more often, doesn't..) to a specific place, there is a (usually bad) protein model to predict effect, etc.
1027962;1424567841;mircea_popescu;thestringpuller move to wash dc, put up craigslist "Black man looking to humiliate married white women. Husband may be included.". watch how you make more money than alf.
1027963;1424567844;asciilifeform;by and large none of it works
1027964;1424567847;asciilifeform;roi - terrible
1027965;1424567861;asciilifeform;that's the 'big secret', really
1027966;1424567873;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform i suppose a better framed debate would then be this exactly, as above. "is this engineering or is it just dumbery"
1027967;1424567884;asciilifeform;it's approximately how software 'engineering' is done now
1027968;1424567892;asciilifeform;check back on it in a decade, they'll look rather similar
1027969;1424567894;mircea_popescu;to nobody's credit.
1027970;1424567895;asciilifeform;these two 'engineerings'
1027971;1424567912;mircea_popescu;at least software has the excuse it takes any retarded kid.
1027972;1424567920;asciilifeform;http://www.loper-os.org/?p=41 << obligatory
1027973;1424567922;assbot;Loper OS » The Future of Programming: Ignorance and Superstition? ... ( http://bit.ly/1D43ZhM )
1027974;1424567935;mircea_popescu;thestringpuller http://41.media.tumblr.com/b0bf3a6a3f32fa7cbfc6bbf1c5e7c652/tumblr_nihqzq4vJ41t33m1bo1_500.jpg prepping of same, jus fer ya.
1027975;1424567936;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1D440lX )
1027976;1424567951;asciilifeform;any single usg employee's security, in all respects, continues at the MERCY of unidentified party. in no sense and in no manner does it flow from usg-anything << to be fair, the very reason why 'identity theft' is a real problem for anybody is usg
1027977;1424567969;mircea_popescu;orly ?
1027978;1424567977;asciilifeform;aha
1027979;1424567990;asciilifeform;why is it possible to borrow $maxint in mr. chump's name without his pgp key
1027980;1424567993;asciilifeform;- usg.
1027981;1424567996;mircea_popescu;you know you WILL end up having to come up with "the only reason sun raises in the morning is usg" at some point
1027982;1424567998;mircea_popescu;the way you're going.
1027983;1424568000;asciilifeform;l0l
1027984;1424568008;asciilifeform;how is the above picture mistaken
1027985;1424568009;asciilifeform;?
1027986;1424568038;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34900 @ 0.0003831 = 13.3702 BTC [-] {3} 
1027987;1424568039;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=06-02-2015#1009868 << see also
1027988;1424568039;assbot;Logged on 06-02-2015 03:02:19; *: asciilifeform once worked with a nearly-penniless foreign postdoc whose departure from usa was hastened by some bureaucrat (who handled his papers) deciding to... buy a house in his name
1027989;1424568052;mircea_popescu;it holds the same logical strength as "the very reason why 'identity theft' is a real problem for anybody is that women are whores"
1027990;1424568079;mircea_popescu;there may be some relation even, and some factuality to the claim and existence to the group. nevertheless...
1027991;1424568083;asciilifeform;is it possible for someone to steal the identity of mircea_popescu? if not, why not ?
1027992;1424568097;mircea_popescu;depends where.
1027993;1424568103;asciilifeform;anywhere it matters
1027994;1424568106;mircea_popescu;im sure all sorts of romanian kids claim to know me for their own circle ?
1027995;1424568122;mircea_popescu;im sure all sorts of adults tell stories that happened to me as if - them.
1027996;1424568126;mircea_popescu;etc.
1027997;1424568155;asciilifeform;but none of this is so much as a mild annoyance in Castle Mircea_popescustein proper
1027998;1424568182;mircea_popescu;sooo ?
1027999;1424568201;mircea_popescu;http://38.media.tumblr.com/09a98729739cc9ed4b2a28e9988ba91f/tumblr_nepprjHYH01u2qk73o1_400.gif << helping thestringpuller work productively, one gif at a time.
1028000;1424568203;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1B1N3JN )
1028001;1424568250;asciilifeform;sooo >> usg could mandate pgp for letters of credit just as easily as it mandates the garbage we see today
1028002;1424568253;asciilifeform;but doesn't
1028003;1424568262;mircea_popescu;how do you know this /
1028004;1424568283;asciilifeform;?
1028005;1424568292;mircea_popescu;could the roman empire have mandated its legions wear the fucking scutum, pilum and thorax ?
1028006;1424568308;mircea_popescu;"ow but your majesty, shit's heavy"
1028007;1424568309;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu suggests that such an order would not be obeyed? probably true
1028008;1424568330;mircea_popescu;i merely am pointing out that your jumps go over lenghty stretches of weak bridging
1028009;1424568352;asciilifeform;interestingly, hitler's 'table talk' contains a few instances of whining that he'd like xxxxx but the orders don't get carried out
1028010;1424568368;mircea_popescu;what, by 1945 there's nothing BUT that.
1028011;1424568381;asciilifeform;well yes
1028012;1424568382;mircea_popescu;das war ein befehl!
1028013;1424568385;asciilifeform;but long prior
1028014;1424568410;mircea_popescu;wer sind sie eigentlich, dass sie einen befehl, den ich gebe, zu missachten wagen!!??!?!!!?! etc
1028015;1424568416;asciilifeform;l0l
1028016;1424568461;thestringpuller;"U.S. NIH spends ~30b annually to found research. However, many resulting papers are NOT repeatable In my merely 8 years experience in academia, I believe >50% papers are not repeatable especially those claiming therapeutic effects.
1028017;1424568462;asciilifeform;^ anyone -not- recognize source ?
1028018;1424568465;thestringpuller;We all know the reason : Disproving or confirming others finding won't get you very far in a scientific career. One needs to have novel finding to get published in Nature , Cell or Science, which are powerful tickets for next round of NIH funding. Because research resources are scarce, no scientists can survive by examining others papers. Therefore, faking a cute and novel discovery is effective to survive the academia with min
1028019;1424568653;mircea_popescu;thestringpuller incidentally, exactly how teh neanderthal got wiped out.
1028020;1424568657;mircea_popescu;cro cutegnon.
1028021;1424568922;mircea_popescu;"There are no homeopathic automobile repair shops, that try to repair your car by putting infinitesimal dilutions of rust in the gas tank. There are no automotive faith healers, who lay their hands on the hood and pray."
1028022;1424568935;asciilifeform;^ true at time of writing
1028023;1424568945;mircea_popescu;this, fwiw, is patently false. even now is being advertised a device which, iof placed on tank, will make the car not use fuel.
1028024;1424568945;cazalla;http://qntra.net/2015/02/micon-details-the-operational-security-concerns-of-seals-with-clubs/
1028025;1424568946;assbot;Micon Details The Operational Security Concerns Of Seals With Clubs | Qntra.net ... ( http://bit.ly/1B1Orft )
1028026;1424568952;mircea_popescu;and always was there.
1028027;1424568999;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: i do recall this, now that you mentioned it
1028028;1424569095;mircea_popescu;cazalla fwiw, exactly nothing in ro press re voxility srl.
1028029;1424569111;mircea_popescu;http://www.listafirme.ro/voxility-srl-16633718/ reg if you care.
1028030;1424569112;assbot;SC VOXILITY SRL din Sectorul 2 Bdul. Dimitrie Pompei 9-9a, CUI 16633718 ... ( http://bit.ly/1B1ONmo )
1028031;1424569160;cazalla;seems a bit suss he would say he is unsure what happened with the servers but is already moving forward to relaunch
1028032;1424569186;cazalla;prob has an idea but he didn't speculate further anyway
1028033;1424569551;mircea_popescu;http://thelastpsychiatrist.com/2007/10/kerouacs_on_the_road.html  << did i say what a fucking great review this is ?
1028034;1424569552;assbot;The Last Psychiatrist: Kerouac's On The Road: The 50th Anniversary Of A Book I Had Not Read ... ( http://bit.ly/1B1PITO )
1028035;1424569556;mircea_popescu;The entire spirit of the book can be summarized by Dean's words: "Sal, think of it, we'll dig Denver together...!"  That's what a man who is trying to con a woman into running off with him would say.  Denver, really??  Really?  Why?  Because it starts with D?  I'd at least momentarily entertain the theory that D cities are great places to get to, but the real reason he wants to get to Denver, or anywhere else, is preci
1028036;1424569556;mircea_popescu;sely because the longer he stays in any one place, the better chance he'll be discovered to be a loser.  Time to go where the grass is greener, somewhere people don't know you're there to crap on it.
1028037;1424569953;*;asciilifeform realized that he built the fscking netbsd -installer- into the eeprom
1028038;1424569963;*;asciilifeform proceeded to stuff in a drive and... fire it
1028039;1424570327;asciilifeform;(why do i need a conventional install? because want to test my attempt at driver for the nand as a kernel mod)
1028040;1424570362;asciilifeform;having actual support for the nand would make it possible to eliminate the 'ramdisk' and shave a few MB off the memory footprint.
1028041;1424570671;*;asciilifeform read that tlp article, wakes up to having known precisely the type of animal described therein - in real life
1028042;1424570683;mircea_popescu;sure. plenty of 'em.
1028043;1424570705;mircea_popescu;also, http://36.media.tumblr.com/bfa63b6cf8c53c33b9e16d08daf87fc6/tumblr_n13pnwgaX41rdc5oto8_1280.jpg
1028044;1424570706;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1z7LNit )
1028045;1424570721;trinque;I might've gotten past the first chapter of that book
1028046;1424570724;trinque;certainly not the second
1028047;1424570764;asciilifeform;butugychag.
1028048;1424571241;mike_c;cazalla: http://pastebin.com/sQzqvV4F
1028049;1424571242;assbot;(several um's, uh's, you knows, removed)    Hello the internet.  Bryan Micon her - Pastebin.com ... ( http://bit.ly/1B1SxnV )
1028050;1424571274;cazalla;mike_c, did you transcribe that?
1028051;1424571361;decimation;asciilifeform: so you are still using the u-boot copy-to-ramdisk method if you don't have a driver for the eeprom?
1028052;1424571386;asciilifeform;decimation: at the moment, yes
1028053;1424571451;decimation;ah, still it's neat that you got it working
1028054;1424571453;asciilifeform;decimation: i forget if mentioned earlier: got the whole build to work
1028055;1424571457;asciilifeform;for what it's worth
1028056;1424571464;decimation;yeah you mentioned
1028057;1424571487;*;decimation find this to be a good reason to buy a pogo and play along
1028058;1424571527;danielpbarron;how can i repeat this? i'm stuck on your last tip about something in a TOOLS directory
1028059;1424571542;asciilifeform;danielpbarron: i will post a patch to the netbsd src tree
1028060;1424571556;asciilifeform;that results in a netbsd.ub which can be used straight
1028061;1424571608;asciilifeform;basically, used like this,
1028062;1424571615;asciilifeform;flash_erase /dev/mtd4 0 0
1028063;1424571615;asciilifeform;nandwrite -p /dev/mtd4 netbsd.ub
1028064;1424571615;asciilifeform;fw_setenv boot_bsd 'nand read.e 0x800000 0x1000000 0xc00000; bootm 0x800000'
1028065;1424571631;asciilifeform;then you halt uboot on the next powerup and 'run boot_bsd'
1028066;1424571640;asciilifeform;(for manual testing, can make this default behaviour if want)
1028067;1424571663;asciilifeform;the 0xc00000 is a round number here, you want it to encompass your binary's size
1028068;1424571672;asciilifeform;(i just eyeballed it)
1028069;1424571697;danielpbarron;is halting uboot something i'd need the serial thing for?
1028070;1424571698;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 32450 @ 0.0004097 = 13.2948 BTC [+]
1028071;1424571725;asciilifeform;ideally
1028072;1424571734;asciilifeform;unless you have it configured to do the udp console thing
1028073;1424571748;*;asciilifeform forgot that not everyone's pogo has the serial jack
1028074;1424571784;decimation;asciilifeform: it would go nicely with an old-timey ibm serial terminal :)
1028075;1424571881;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12687 @ 0.0004097 = 5.1979 BTC [+]
1028076;1424571898;asciilifeform;http://www.loper-os.org/pub/piece_of_shit.tar.gz
1028077;1424571903;asciilifeform;^^^^^^
1028078;1424571917;asciilifeform;i will not sign this. if it annihilates your home planet, i am not responsible.
1028079;1424571932;asciilifeform;use as described above. will boot into a netbsd installer.
1028080;1424571955;asciilifeform;can find binary sets for arm at http://ftp.twaren.net/NetBSD/NetBSD-6.1.5/evbarm/binary/sets or your local sets build
1028081;1424571957;assbot;Index of /NetBSD/NetBSD-6.1.5/evbarm/binary/sets ... ( http://bit.ly/1B1TCfk )
1028082;1424571963;asciilifeform;(throw it up on ftp on your own box)
1028083;1424572003;asciilifeform;the only conceivable use of the above sample is to demonstrate that netbsd will function correctly on 'pogo'.
1028084;1424572030;asciilifeform;and possibly in case someone wishes to install on larger disk and boot from it, for purposes of dev work.
1028085;1424572067;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes, mod6, jurov, mircea_popescu, et al ^^^
1028086;1424572091;mike_c;cazalla: yeah. i hate watching videos.  figured i'd spare others the pain.
1028087;1424572111;asciilifeform;i have demonstrated that netbsd kernel (of my custom trimmed build) will correctly init the periphs on pogo
1028088;1424572118;asciilifeform;for whatever that's worth.
1028089;1424572133;asciilifeform;will post patch set once i can be bothered to crap one out
1028090;1424572165;cazalla;mike_c, k thanks, i tossed it into the article in blockquotes
1028091;1424572175;asciilifeform;i possibly ought to discuss the constants
1028092;1424572186;asciilifeform;the 0x1000000 is the offset of the default mtd4 eeprom partition
1028093;1424572199;asciilifeform;if you monkeyed with your pogo's mtd mappings, you will have to recalculate
1028094;1424572235;asciilifeform;(the value is simply the sum of the lengths of mtd0..3, naturally, and these numbers are available in the uboot console if that's all you've got)
1028095;1424572293;asciilifeform;incidentally it is possible to write the eeprom from uboot (you gotta pump in the new payloads via tftp in that case, but you save time by not needing to wait for an os - such as the terrifying bloat of systemdized-archlinux - to load)
1028096;1424572408;asciilifeform;0x800000 - if it wasn't obvious - is where uboot parks the kernel prior to jumping in
1028097;1424572414;asciilifeform;don't change.
1028098;1424572424;asciilifeform;that's really all.
1028099;1424572593;asciilifeform;'NetBSD: running on a dead squirrel in a cardboard box since '03'
1028100;1424572612;asciilifeform;(srsly, there is an 'atari' port.)
1028101;1424572655;asciilifeform;1ad4391c46ab3520e9aaf8dce2d48d4788fd3752e93c70fabf0dc66f770628d835e764855ab933905a4152524b100358c82b27ca0471a77af02836740e9c41be  piece_of_shit.tar.gz
1028102;1424572657;asciilifeform;(sha512)
1028103;1424572835;danielpbarron;can i ssh into this thing?
1028104;1424572841;asciilifeform;nope
1028105;1424572844;asciilifeform;bare bones.
1028106;1424572864;asciilifeform;once you actually install netbsd with it on something else - sure
1028107;1424572873;asciilifeform;posted here mainly as proof of concept.
1028108;1424572962;asciilifeform;and everybody who is seriously dealing with this stuff ought to have at least one 'pogo' with serial jack.
1028109;1424573008;mats;http://youtu.be/xN-DNcqYUcY
1028110;1424573010;assbot;primus shake hands with beef - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1Fcckjg )
1028111;1424573013;danielpbarron;what would you advise that i purchase?
1028112;1424573079;asciilifeform;danielpbarron: a CP2102 or equivalent
1028113;1424573092;asciilifeform;and, if you don't own one: soldering iron...
1028114;1424573132;asciilifeform;http://bb.osmocom.org/trac/attachment/wiki/Hardware/CP210xTutorial/cp2102.jpg
1028115;1424573133;assbot;      cp2102.jpg on Hardware/CP210xTutorial – Attachment     – OsmocomBB     ... ( http://bit.ly/1B1Vip6 )
1028116;1424573133;asciilifeform;^ it
1028117;1424573161;asciilifeform;ubiquitous. should cost no more than a few bux
1028118;1424573184;asciilifeform;plug into linux box, you get a /dev/ttyUSBx
1028119;1424573198;asciilifeform;and ttl logic rx and tx on the other end of the hose.
1028120;1424573205;asciilifeform;set to 115200 baud.
1028121;1424573227;asciilifeform;(theoretically, default, don't have to set. but if your favourite term emu makes you set - then above)
1028122;1424573235;*;asciilifeform uses 'gnu screen'
1028123;1424573263;danielpbarron;http://www.amazon.com/KEDSUM%C2%AE-CP2102-Module-Download-Converter/dp/B009T2ZR6W/ will this do?
1028124;1424573265;assbot;Amazon.com: KEDSUM® CP2102 Module STC Download Cable USB 2.0 to TTL 6PIN Serial Converter For STC: Computers & Accessories ... ( http://bit.ly/1B1Vwws )
1028125;1424573283;asciilifeform;aha
1028126;1424573288;asciilifeform;even appears to come with wires
1028127;1424573295;danielpbarron;there was a cheaper one, but this one has more reviews
1028128;1424573296;asciilifeform;behead'em and solder as pictured
1028129;1424573299;asciilifeform;in earlier thread
1028130;1424573311;asciilifeform;you need three leads, tx, rx, ground
1028131;1424573467;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31425 @ 0.00041688 = 13.1005 BTC [+]
1028132;1424573494;danielpbarron;http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B009GXEF8A/ << this one might not need soldering?
1028133;1424573496;assbot;Amazon.com: NooElec PL2303 USB to Serial (TTL) Module/Adapter with Female and Male Wiring Harnesses & Test Jumper. Compatible with Windows 98 through Windows 7; Mac OS 8 through OS X, Linux and Android!: Computers & Accessories ... ( http://bit.ly/1Fcekbo )
1028134;1424573503;asciilifeform;danielpbarron: -any- of them will need soldering
1028135;1424573509;asciilifeform;because there is no connector inside the 'pogo'.
1028136;1424573512;asciilifeform;only bare pads.
1028137;1424573530;asciilifeform;they omitted it to save a penny.
1028138;1424573548;asciilifeform;(not a wholly illogical thing to do, but annoying to us junkyard dogs)
1028139;1424573560;asciilifeform;in unrelated nyooz,
1028140;1424573627;asciilifeform;''After careful consideration of the public and classified pleadings, the Court holds that Plaintiffs claims must be dismissed under the state secrets privilege because (1) privileged information is at the heart of Plaintiffs claims for discrimination on the basis of disability and race, hostile work environment and retaliation, (2) Defendants cannot defend this action without relying on privileged information, and (3) further
1028141;1424573627;asciilifeform; litigation of Plaintiffs claims would present an unjustifiable risk of disclosure of classified information regarding (a) the identities of CIA officers and employees, (b) the job titles, duties, work assignments of Plaintiff and other covert employees, and the criteria and reasons for making the work assignments and employment decisions regarding them, (c) sources and methods used by covert employees, including operational t
1028142;1424573631;asciilifeform;radecraft and the identity of human assets; (d) the targets and focus of CIA's intelligence collection and operations, and (e) the location of CIA covert facilities. Accordingly, the Court grants Defendant's Motion for Summary Judgment'. Accordingly, IT IS HEREBY ORDERED that Defendant's Motion for Summary Judgment (Doc. 28) is GRANTED, and this action is DISMISSED without prejudice.'
1028143;1424573647;asciilifeform;( http://cryptome.org/2015/02/brennan-grandiosity-v-abilt.pdf )
1028144;1424573668;asciilifeform;so for all those who were wondering re: the proverbial 'who is stronger? the elephant, or the whale ?'
1028145;1424573672;asciilifeform;we have an answer.
1028146;1424573809;asciilifeform;danielpbarron: you will end up with something roughly like http://i.imgur.com/d2ivsPk.jpg?1
1028147;1424573810;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1FcfzYf )
1028148;1424573836;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 38300 @ 0.00038107 = 14.595 BTC [-]
1028149;1424573864;danielpbarron;ordering a few of these things now; i needed to get some other stuff anyway / added to order
1028150;1424574096;danielpbarron;!up adam_obrien
1028151;1424574121;adam_obrien;Thanks danielpbarron
1028152;1424574144;danielpbarron;is this you? https://twitter.com/adamobie
1028153;1424574146;assbot;Adam O'Brien (@Adamobie) | Twitter ... ( http://bit.ly/1FcgKXz )
1028154;1424574161;adam_obrien;Yes that is me
1028155;1424574169;danielpbarron;and nice job already getting in the WoT before joining :D
1028156;1424574181;danielpbarron;or rather, registering with assbot / you're not in the WoT yet
1028157;1424574229;decimation;asciilifeform: apparently the CIA has infinite leeway to do whatever it wants, as long is it can claim that some kind of secret is at stake
1028158;1424574242;adam_obrien;Thats right. A friend of mine will up me later.
1028159;1424574251;adam_obrien;I am registered with assbot and gribble
1028160;1424574271;danielpbarron;who's your friend?
1028161;1424574285;asciilifeform;decimation: just demonstrating that d1scr1m1n4t10n!!!111!! is not the root password to usg
1028162;1424574299;adam_obrien;Not sure his username. He is the one that got me on here
1028163;1424574312;danielpbarron;oh, i bet it's pete
1028164;1424574343;adam_obrien;https://twitter.com/pete_dushenski
1028165;1424574345;assbot;Pete Dushenski (@pete_dushenski) | Twitter ... ( http://bit.ly/1FchwUk )
1028166;1424574346;adam_obrien;It sure is :)
1028167;1424574347;adam_obrien;Small world
1028168;1424574348;danielpbarron;ding ding! :D
1028169;1424574365;adam_obrien;Haha ding ding indeed! I have to run.
1028170;1424574366;decimation;nah, the whole 'd1scr1m1n4t10n!!!111!!' has everything to do with the general divide & conqueror the kulaks program, and nothing to do with the exercise of actual power
1028171;1424574394;adam_obrien;Glad everything is set up and verified! I had a whale of a time doing so
1028172;1424574425;mircea_popescu;wait. adam_obrien ?
1028173;1424574431;adam_obrien;yes?
1028174;1424574444;mircea_popescu;are you the obrien of 1984 fame ? :D
1028175;1424574469;adam_obrien;Hhaha, I wish. Unfortunately I wasn't around then so it couldn't have been me
1028176;1424574485;mircea_popescu;aite
1028177;1424574486;danielpbarron;!v assbot:danielpbarron.rate.adam_obrien.1:16a107bffd732882d64be75907707e8fe8803d1ac2313935c1131479ca3b5744
1028178;1424574487;assbot;Successfully added a rating of 1 for adam_obrien with note: Comes prepared.
1028179;1424574534;mircea_popescu;mike_c whai u no gpg ?
1028180;1424574537;adam_obrien;Thanks, again Daniel.
1028181;1424574549;mike_c;gpg what?
1028182;1424574558;mircea_popescu;the pastebin
1028183;1424574573;mircea_popescu;google indexes that shit.
1028184;1424574603;mike_c;i made it unlisted, but it will get the link from b-a log..
1028185;1424574608;mike_c;yeah, my mistake.
1028186;1424574627;mircea_popescu;no biggie. just needs repeating till ppl get in habit
1028187;1424574750;decimation;adam_obrien: do you work for those bitcoin atm folks?
1028188;1424574790;mircea_popescu;danielpbarron:  this one might not need soldering? << really, it doesn't NEED soldering, you can just glue it in contact, with conductive paste, whatever.
1028189;1424574797;adam_obrien;I own bitcoin solutions (www.btcsolutions.ca) we operate some Bitcoin ATMs as well as a margin trading platform
1028190;1424574820;danielpbarron;i can get it soldered, i just thought that unit might have been a good fit for people without access to one
1028191;1424574823;mircea_popescu;didn't the atms recently get shut down or is that a different country ?
1028192;1424574843;adam_obrien;Hmmm. I haven't heard that. I think they are having issues in Russia. But in Canada everything is all good :)
1028193;1424574880;mircea_popescu;http://qntra.net/2015/02/quebec-regulator-bitcoin-businesses-need-a-licence/
1028194;1424574881;assbot;Quebec Regulator: Bitcoin Businesses Need A Licence | Qntra.net ... ( http://bit.ly/1B1XOvJ )
1028195;1424574884;mircea_popescu;mebbe not.
1028196;1424574891;decimation;do you have a relationship with those cavirtex guys?
1028197;1424574902;adam_obrien;Ah - Quebec is on it's own. They operate by their own rules for some strange reason
1028198;1424574931;adam_obrien;We are fully compliant with Fintrac (Canada's Fincen) and are operating under MSB license rules
1028199;1424574949;adam_obrien;I don't. I have never liked cavirtex and haven't used them since there was other options
1028200;1424575008;adam_obrien;I have to run here, if any of you need Bitcoin give me a ping adam@btcsolutions.ca
1028201;1424575011;decimation;unfortunately it seems that here in the us there is much less clarity about how to be 'fully legal'
1028202;1424575109;decimation;interesting it looks like they use this exchange https://www.quadrigacx.com/
1028203;1424575109;assbot;Quadriga Coin Exchange | Home ... ( http://bit.ly/1Fcl1u5 )
1028204;1424575301;danielpbarron;asciilifeform, http://imgur.com/a/e2RWY << this is correct? or did you say it needed fixing?
1028205;1424575303;assbot;                    JTAG on PogoPlug. - Album on Imgur ... ( http://bit.ly/1FclJHD )
1028206;1424576215;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 62879 @ 0.00038107 = 23.9613 BTC [-]
1028207;1424576262;mod6;<+asciilifeform> danielpbarron: in other news, i got netbsd ramdisk to build. << great work! & thanks for posting a tarball.
1028208;1424576398;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 74345 @ 0.00037325 = 27.7493 BTC [-] {4} 
1028209;1424576488;mike_c;btcalpha, never more than six months late.  http://www.btcalpha.com/mpex/stocks/s-qntr/
1028210;1424576489;assbot;S.QNTR Analysis - Btc Alpha ... ( http://bit.ly/1Fcq4ul )
1028211;1424576527;mike_c;i'm a fan, but that stock price!  idk.
1028212;1424576585;thestringpuller;funny what a little demand will do to the price of something
1028213;1424576595;danielpbarron;so write something!
1028214;1424576619;mike_c;what, write another article saying what the price should be?  I already did that.
1028215;1424576628;thestringpuller;write an article for qntra
1028216;1424576631;thestringpuller;to acquire shares
1028217;1424576632;mike_c;oh
1028218;1424576636;mike_c;yeah, i have.
1028219;1424576649;mike_c;but i was more thinking i should borrow shares from a founder and short it.
1028220;1424576658;danielpbarron;oh, hah
1028221;1424576682;mike_c;maybe a bitbet would be interesting.
1028222;1424576770;thestringpuller;if you can return my shares to me I'd loan some :P
1028223;1424576807;mike_c;I don't think we'd have the same quantity or timeframe in mind.
1028224;1424577100;thestringpuller;:P
1028225;1424577146;thestringpuller;mike_c: you realize there aren't enough shares to push down the bids right now?
1028226;1424577168;thestringpuller;"This brings the total shares issued to 158`788"
1028227;1424577174;mike_c;yeah, i know
1028228;1424577216;mike_c;a lot can change in a year.  but i don't think there are enough shares in existence to make it worth it anyway.  i mean, what, bingo maybe has 50k shares?
1028229;1424577511;thestringpuller;ya
1028230;1424577677;mircea_popescu;!up kyuupichan
1028231;1424577756;mircea_popescu;mike_c 158k includes whole shebang, 50% are issued, i'd guess 20-30k more likely for either cazalla or bingo
1028232;1424577794;mike_c;;;calc 158000 / 6
1028233;1424577795;gribble;26333.3333333
1028234;1424577807;mike_c;^ that should just be what they have from being owners, no?
1028235;1424577814;mircea_popescu;however, betting against qntra being worth w/e, 5 btc ? seems insanity.
1028236;1424577818;mike_c;plus whatever they get for being authors
1028237;1424577836;mircea_popescu;mike_c the 50% owner's chunk you can't acquire tho.
1028238;1424577910;mike_c;ah, yeah.  i'm not saying qntra is currently worth more than 45 btc.
1028239;1424577915;mike_c;*isn't
1028240;1424577925;mircea_popescu;anyway jurov may be able to write you a contract, seeing how he probably has a large chunk
1028241;1424577938;mircea_popescu;!t m s.qntr
1028242;1424577938;assbot;[MPEX:S.QNTR] 1D: 0 / 0 / 0 (0 shares, 0 BTC), 7D: 0.00028529 / 0.00028529 / 0.00028529 (22381 shares, 6.39 BTC), 30D: 0.000175 / 0.00025036 / 0.00028529 (50436 shares, 12.63 BTC)
1028243;1424577957;mircea_popescu;;;calc 0.00025036 *  158788
1028244;1424577957;gribble;39.75416368
1028245;1424577962;mircea_popescu;40ish, like 8k ?
1028246;1424577976;thestringpuller;damn. where did all these bids come from?
1028247;1424578013;mircea_popescu;pretty good support huh
1028248;1424578016;mike_c;i'm saying the stock price is too high, not the market cap.
1028249;1424578023;mike_c;it gets weird with qntra.
1028250;1424578024;mircea_popescu;mike_c you can't be sayin that.
1028251;1424578038;mircea_popescu;it's a nonsense statement, "mkt cap is fine, stock price too high"
1028252;1424578062;mircea_popescu;moreover, ;;calc 0.00025036 * 250
1028253;1424578068;mircea_popescu;;;calc 0.00025036 * 250
1028254;1424578068;gribble;0.06259
1028255;1424578087;mircea_popescu;too high as compared to what
1028256;1424578089;thestringpuller;^- wow so this is average price of qntra article?
1028257;1424578101;thestringpuller;;;calc 0.06259 * 245
1028258;1424578102;gribble;15.33455
1028259;1424578108;thestringpuller;notbad.jpg
1028260;1424578109;mike_c;too high as compared to the discounted future cash flow.
1028261;1424578130;thestringpuller;you could say the same for changetip :P
1028262;1424578140;mircea_popescu;heh, let him say it @fb lol
1028263;1424578198;mircea_popescu;anyway, i suspek jurov is perhaps in the best position to write you a short of some kind.
1028264;1424578261;thestringpuller;mike_c: do you not see stock price as measurement of "value of eyeballs watching"
1028265;1424578277;mike_c;i see the stock price right now as one of two things.
1028266;1424578305;mike_c;nevermind, i don't even want to get into it.
1028267;1424578319;mircea_popescu;i dun think 8k buys one anything like a qntra, tbh.
1028268;1424578327;mike_c;or a qntra.
1028269;1424578337;mike_c;obviously, since you can't buy the company for 8k.
1028270;1424578348;mircea_popescu;well, in the sense apple coudl buy russia
1028271;1424578351;mike_c;all you can buy is a few shares.  at an inflated price.
1028272;1424578380;mike_c;geezus, my fucking blood pressure today.
1028273;1424578392;mircea_popescu;lol wait, this is anger inducing /
1028274;1424578404;mircea_popescu;dun mind me then, i was merely conversin'.
1028275;1424578405;mike_c;who knows.  lots of straws on the camel back today.
1028276;1424578426;cazalla;mircea_popescu is right on that ball park figure
1028277;1424578427;danielpbarron;i thought it seemed high too, but i'm not in a rush to sell my 204 shares, so...
1028278;1424578469;mike_c;in a lot of public companies the market cap is related to what you could acquire the whole company for.
1028279;1424578483;mircea_popescu;i think you at least theoreitcally could make a buyout offer.
1028280;1424578483;mike_c;this is more and less true for different companies, but generally it's the ballpark.
1028281;1424578499;mircea_popescu;obviously, management doesn't HAVE TO sell.
1028282;1424578531;mike_c;yeah, but, buyer would have to hire bingo & cazalla to keep running it
1028283;1424578534;mike_c;and pay writers
1028284;1424578551;mircea_popescu;conceivably they could run it as it runs now, which brings us to the point :
1028285;1424578553;mike_c;it's like a very early stage startup, you really can't just buy the whole thing yet because the founders are so critical
1028286;1424578565;mircea_popescu;there's really no logical reason to buy it unless you got a better way to run it
1028287;1424578576;mircea_popescu;ie, control and ownership are really separate concerns.
1028288;1424578619;mircea_popescu;mike_c you wouldn't need to hire them specifically, but you would need someone. and as there's very few people outside of b-a with brains working worth two shits...
1028289;1424578635;mike_c;this is the whole point, right?  people tried to make news sites and they sucked.
1028290;1424578645;mircea_popescu;right.
1028291;1424578659;mircea_popescu;kinda interesting discussion of value creation tbh.
1028292;1424578664;mike_c;it's not like the domain is worth anything.  so it is unbuyable, and the market cap is not related to its worth yet.
1028293;1424578673;decimation;;;isitdown qntra.net
1028294;1424578677;gribble;qntra.net is down
1028295;1424578680;mike_c;hehe
1028296;1424578682;mike_c;sell!
1028297;1424578682;mircea_popescu;but your point seems self contradictory to me. on one hand, oh, this is irreplaceable, on the other, oh, this is not worth its market value
1028298;1424578683;mircea_popescu;lol!
1028299;1424578690;thestringpuller;and its down! haha
1028300;1424578704;thestringpuller;it's had good uptime recently. despite being attacked.
1028301;1424578713;thestringpuller;which is odd given it is a baby.
1028302;1424578722;thestringpuller;"squelch the truth"
1028303;1424578727;thestringpuller;!up adam_obrien
1028304;1424578728;decimation;eh, something is worth exactly what its mutually agreed purchase price is
1028305;1424578732;decimation;all else is speculation
1028306;1424578775;mike_c;mircea_popescu: it's because you are thinking of what the company is worth, not a share.  For many companies this is a simple calculation.  not so for qntra.
1028307;1424578813;mike_c;because dilution.  for the next year, massive dilution.
1028308;1424578815;decimation;mike_c: how would you evaluate the 'worth' of a company?  ben graham?
1028309;1424578835;mike_c;decimation: like so.  http://www.btcalpha.com/blog/2014/how-much-is-a-share-of-sqntr-worth/
1028310;1424578901;decimation;well, I would assume that the policy of share dilution would end at some point, and would not approach infinity
1028311;1424578911;mike_c;it doesn't approach infinity
1028312;1424578925;mike_c;dilution drops off as a matter of %
1028313;1424579082;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 49100 @ 0.00036704 = 18.0217 BTC [-]
1028314;1424579144;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28850 @ 0.00036925 = 10.6529 BTC [+]
1028315;1424579243;thestringpuller;mircea_popescu: so I was getting beer with Pierre_Rochard the other night, and got on the topic of off "blockchain solutions" in relation to derps wanting to buy coffee on blockchain. so eventually came to realization MPEx can do what Coinbase does but better. PUSH is free of charge, so in theory persons with MPEX accounts could make payment processing network with various bank thingies. they take derps money, put in mpex, and
1028316;1424579298;thestringpuller;MPEx may one day allow redditards to buy coffee (and yes one day also pigs may fly)
1028317;1424579423;mike_c;anyway, i'm a qntra fanboy for the record.  g'nite all!
1028318;1424579445;danielpbarron;and with cardano, they can do it safely from any internet cafe
1028319;1424579448;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14957 @ 0.00035807 = 5.3557 BTC [-]
1028320;1424579467;asciilifeform;danielpbarron: correct? << nononononono. 1) you want serial, not jtag 2) the jtag in my photo is wrong
1028321;1424579501;danielpbarron;these are different things?
1028322;1424579511;asciilifeform;yes!
1028323;1424579514;asciilifeform;entirely different
1028324;1424579526;danielpbarron;i don't need jtag though, right?
1028325;1424579535;asciilifeform;jtag is a protocol for directly reading/flipping bits in the cpu, eeprom, ram.
1028326;1424579561;asciilifeform;it is very spiffy but you probably don't have the required machine to connect to it
1028327;1424579593;asciilifeform;you want the serial.
1028328;1424579623;danielpbarron;i should have something tuesday
1028329;1424579635;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: it doesn't NEED soldering, you can just glue it in contact, with conductive paste << Nnn-o. conductive glue is a -waste of time and money- unless you're making cheapo resistors
1028330;1424579640;decimation;I bought my ttl-level serial/usb converter on ebay
1028331;1424579650;mircea_popescu;;;LATER TELL mike_c but logically a share can not be differently worth from mktcap/sharecount.
1028332;1424579650;gribble;The operation succeeded.
1028333;1424579665;mircea_popescu;this is like telling me that a dollar's not worth 1/100 of a hundred dollars.
1028334;1424579669;asciilifeform;phriends don't let phriends conductive glue. it just sucks.
1028335;1424579693;asciilifeform;(and if not today then tomorrow when room temp changes)
1028336;1424579706;mircea_popescu;and for that matter... a) in fact qntra is set to have MUCH LESS dilution than absolutely ANY start-up.
1028337;1424579713;decimation;the 'proper' solution would probably be to solder the 1mm pin headers you mention in your photos and then use a ribbon cable with pin-header plugs
1028338;1424579732;mircea_popescu;the qntra dilution argument is similar to the bitcoin inflation argument, saying something like "bitcoin is set to inflate at a fixed rate, fiat currenciesa are not"
1028339;1424579743;asciilifeform;mod6: thanks for posting a tarball << it contains a 12MB turd (mostly nulls) that can be booted to show that netbsd boots on pogo and diddles the network. that's all
1028340;1424579762;mircea_popescu;this is true but misleading : in fact you know the fiats will inflate to all shit. and you know start-ups will dilute to all shit. in absolutely no proportion to "Words added" or any other sort of metric.
1028341;1424579775;mircea_popescu;pity he left.
1028342;1424579785;decimation;re: qntra > I guess my thinking is that he is using pretty speculative thinking about the rate of dilution, who knows how management is going to act in the future
1028343;1424579820;mircea_popescu;thestringpuller this theory is in fact long standing practice, it's just that the derps filling up the www with their words don't know what they don't know
1028344;1424579857;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: ...there's very few people outside of b-a with brains working worth two shits... << l0l! or were you just thinking of the 'non-marginal' folks who don't 'depend on paycheques'
1028345;1424579869;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform he's making a poc, for himself, as the first thing. he can solder later if he can't solder now
1028346;1424579895;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: if can't solder this, should ask a friend. it is a first class bitch to debug pogo w/out a serial console
1028347;1424579908;mircea_popescu;glue omg!
1028348;1424579916;mircea_popescu;you have never used glue ?
1028349;1424579919;asciilifeform;have
1028350;1424579921;asciilifeform;to my grief.
1028351;1424579924;mircea_popescu;so then stop bitching lol
1028352;1424579934;asciilifeform;good way to make a resistor randomly between 100k and 1Mohm
1028353;1424579956;decimation;asciilifeform: are the pogo serial port 'holes' filled with solder?
1028354;1424579959;mircea_popescu;for this application! not for treating his blepharospasm
1028355;1424579963;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: you actually used conductive flue and didn't regret ? where ?
1028356;1424579966;asciilifeform;*glue
1028357;1424579973;mircea_popescu;in one off sort of applications like this.
1028358;1424579987;asciilifeform;decimation: they were on my unit
1028359;1424580033;asciilifeform;anyway, whoever wants to prepare conductive glue can follow simple recipe, epoxy resin and aluminum powder. heavy on the latter. but don't say i didn't warn...
1028360;1424580060;decimation;yeah soldering really isn't that hard, and this is good practice
1028361;1424580088;asciilifeform;for the record: this is not needed on 'production' units! only for folks actively screwing with the os
1028362;1424580106;asciilifeform;and in particular, in ways liable to render it unbootable
1028363;1424580117;decimation;speaking of which, did you see the apple macbookpro recall ascii?
1028364;1424580123;asciilifeform;nope
1028365;1424580125;*;danielpbarron hasn't bricked on yet, thankfully
1028366;1424580132;asciilifeform;(don't have any here, either)
1028367;1424580132;danielpbarron;one*
1028368;1424580133;thestringpuller;"/u/thestringpuller has helped pay for 216.25 minutes of reddit server time." << badges now cause reddit can't pay the bills. derped into socialism...
1028369;1424580153;mircea_popescu;how much is 216 minutes cost ?
1028370;1424580164;thestringpuller;apparently 1 reddit gold...
1028371;1424580173;danielpbarron;reddit is like reverse qntra
1028372;1424580189;decimation;http://arstechnica.com/apple/2015/02/apple-launches-repair-program-for-longstanding-2011-macbook-pro-gpu-problems/ << apparently it was in response to a lawsuit
1028373;1424580190;assbot;Apple launches repair program for longstanding 2011 MacBook Pro GPU problems | Ars Technica ... ( http://bit.ly/1BzKShD )
1028374;1424580225;danielpbarron;"in soviet reddit, you pay them to write!"
1028375;1424580231;decimation;the lawsuit alleges (based on what evidence?) that the gpus on the macbook pros would heat too rapidly for the lead-free solder, and would thermally shock it, causing cracks
1028376;1424581095;asciilifeform;decimation: notice that this has been ongoing since 2007
1028377;1424581102;asciilifeform;on *all* machines featuring nvidia gpu
1028378;1424581120;asciilifeform;i had half a dozen die in precisely this way on my watch.
1028379;1424581130;asciilifeform;usually a month or two after warranty expiration.
1028380;1424581176;asciilifeform;(to clarify: all portable machines)
1028381;1424581204;asciilifeform;and yes, it started with eu 'rohs' mandate for lead-free.
1028382;1424581461;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3307 @ 0.00035807 = 1.1841 BTC [-]
1028383;1424581594;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: reference counting... [david moon tale] ...but sure, it'd be great if it worked << there are quite a few systems which used reference-counting in garbage collector (other than in the demented c++ and apple systems, it is generally used in a garbage collector to determine 'what's garbage?'.) appears in, e.g., wolfram's 'mathematica.' down side: cannot have circular data structures.
1028384;1424581609;asciilifeform;well, not merely circular, but self-referential in any form
1028385;1424581615;asciilifeform;they will not get collected - ever.
1028386;1424581627;asciilifeform;because - elementarily - reference count never nulls!
1028387;1424581635;asciilifeform;hence the david moon anecdote.
1028388;1424581641;jurov;thestringpuller:  MPEx may one day allow redditards to buy coffee << lawl
1028389;1424581662;asciilifeform;jurov: last i checked, they are already able to buy coffee, lol
1028390;1424581683;asciilifeform;MPEx may one day -prohibit- redditards from buying coffee!
1028391;1424581766;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12000 @ 0.00036925 = 4.431 BTC [+]
1028392;1424581830;jurov;;;later tell mike_c most qntra shares in coinbr custody was claimed and afaik sold already. And I promised 14 day delivery of the rest on request, so prolly not what you want
1028393;1424581830;gribble;The operation succeeded.
1028394;1424582488;asciilifeform;the apple gpu thing is a true plague
1028395;1424582494;asciilifeform;and the repairs -are a scam-
1028396;1424582506;asciilifeform;they give you a board with the same ticking bomb
1028397;1424582524;asciilifeform;whatdidjathink, they'd run a one-off with leaded solder just for you?
1028398;1424582529;asciilifeform;because of some lawsuit ?
1028399;1424582562;asciilifeform;and the comments on the article are blood-boiling
1028400;1424582570;asciilifeform;'who cares about 4 y.o. machines'
1028401;1424582595;asciilifeform;i buy hardware, it is expected to last for 15-20 yrs.
1028402;1424582611;asciilifeform;if it doesn't - that is to say, doesn't match fucking 1980s state of the art - it's a turd.
1028403;1424582619;asciilifeform;and should be sold to coprophagiacs specially labeled.
1028404;1424582691;asciilifeform;it was precisely the gpu thing that cured me of the 'omg only apple knows how to make Quality Hardware' (tm)
1028405;1424582721;asciilifeform;and not only gpu;
1028406;1424582734;asciilifeform;colleague of mine bought a $3k 'macbook' a few mo. ago
1028407;1424582751;asciilifeform;the screen developed a hairline crack right in front of my eyes
1028408;1424582755;asciilifeform;apple wouldn't refund.
1028409;1424582759;asciilifeform;'it was something you did'
1028410;1424582829;asciilifeform;and sure, he could join a class-action and possibly get $10 seven years later.
1028411;1424582832;asciilifeform;big fucking whoop.
1028412;1424582897;asciilifeform;the 'secret' is that *no one* is making quality hardware. but apple is the most egregious sc4mz0r, for continuing to maintain the pretense.
1028413;1424582915;asciilifeform;on the strength of a reputation that has long been entirely, thoroughly baseless.
1028414;1424582954;jurov;i once won a free ipod mini from ibm...that thing recharged longer than played
1028415;1424582974;thestringpuller;jurov: ah the nightly recharge of the ipod
1028416;1424582985;thestringpuller;makes me think of high school. charging that thing each night
1028417;1424582989;thestringpuller;before school.
1028418;1424583129;asciilifeform;'My wife got through her Master's on a G3 iBook, and we paid to have its motherboard replaced twice for the same graphics issue, a little over a year apart. Having to pay for the first repair sucked, but sometimes those are the odds. Having to pay to repair it a second time due to identical symptoms a couple of months after the initial repair warranty was up was a kick in the teeth, and was a good indicator that there was some
1028419;1424583129;asciilifeform;thing fundamentally wrong.'
1028420;1424583134;asciilifeform;^ thoroughly typical
1028421;1424583156;asciilifeform;for the record, it is very important to understand why folks put up with this.
1028422;1424583162;asciilifeform;it is specifically, and entirely,
1028423;1424583164;asciilifeform;to avoid winblows.
1028424;1424583206;asciilifeform;i suspect that a sizable majority of apple users, if offered the choice between using winblows and being buggered with a thermos, complete with handle, every night,
1028425;1424583211;thestringpuller;asciilifeform: are you familiar with giant douche vs turd sandwich?
1028426;1424583213;asciilifeform;would take the thermos smiling
1028427;1424583217;asciilifeform;and without hesitation.
1028428;1424583236;asciilifeform;thestringpuller: ?
1028429;1424583247;asciilifeform;i imagine it's an archetypical 'good cop/bad cop' duo
1028430;1424583277;thestringpuller;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Douche_and_Turd << no its essentially having to choose between giant douche or turd sandwich
1028431;1424583294;asciilifeform;!s fork in the eye
1028432;1424583305;assbot;3 results for 'fork in the eye' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=fork+in+the+eye
1028433;1424583359;mircea_popescu;thestringpuller i have no idea what that is. what's a reddit gold ? a dollar ? 2 ? 10 ?
1028434;1424583363;mircea_popescu;!up chatquack
1028435;1424583384;*;chatquack wabes
1028436;1424583396;thestringpuller;mircea_popescu: 30 bucks for a year
1028437;1424583426;*;asciilifeform chatquack wabes << gyres and gymbles
1028438;1424583427;thestringpuller;or 4 bucks a month
1028439;1424583430;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform but you dunno to begin with wtf data strcutres its gonna have.
1028440;1424583434;chatquack;*pours mircea_popescu some honey mead*
1028441;1424583447;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu is correct
1028442;1424583470;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: on systems with reference-counting, users are normally barred from directly manipulating cons cells
1028443;1424583491;asciilifeform;which would be, on such systems, the only means for crafting a self-referential data structure
1028444;1424583506;asciilifeform;mega-lulz when they pop the hood and succeed anyway
1028445;1424583514;asciilifeform;creating eternal turds that never get collected
1028446;1424583544;thestringpuller;mircea_popescu: looks like I provided 4 bucks.
1028447;1424583556;thestringpuller;wait nvm 30
1028448;1424583559;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform> to avoid winblows. <<  it could be because they don't givew so much of a shit about the money. if he/she could afford a pointless masters,
1028449;1424583559;thestringpuller;:(
1028450;1424583563;mircea_popescu;they can afford a pointless "repair"
1028451;1424583580;mircea_popescu;;;calc 30*24*60 / 216 * 30
1028452;1424583580;gribble;6000
1028453;1424583601;mircea_popescu;thestringpuller reddit runs out of 6k a month worth of servers ? impressive if true.
1028454;1424583615;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: it isn't about the money. talk to a 30+ year apple user. the kind that stuck to it 'through thick and thin'
1028455;1424583633;asciilifeform;it's about the get-the-microshit-out-of-my-fucking-face-i-dont-care-what
1028456;1424583648;thestringpuller;mircea_popescu: I wouln'dt be surprised cause shits always going down.
1028457;1424583679;mircea_popescu;chatquack i just went through home made cherry brandy, im full up on sweet liquor
1028458;1424583745;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform so i fail to see how "reference counting" is any sort of anything resembling a solution nor c etc demented for not having it.
1028459;1424583756;chatquack;Oh I bet! Sounds tasty though
1028460;1424583761;asciilifeform;c doesn't do the garbage collection thing at all
1028461;1424583771;mircea_popescu;well cause it can't be fucking done.
1028462;1424583801;mircea_popescu;i can follow that logic there. "for ten cents we can't be bothered, write your own damned card"
1028463;1424583814;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: beg to differ. there are very good algos for garbage collection with hard real-time guarantees. they are complicated and i know of no system other than common lisp where they are implemented with any quality.
1028464;1424583825;mircea_popescu;so there you go.
1028465;1424583829;asciilifeform;typically one has multiple levels of storage for objects with different ranges of expected lifetime
1028466;1424583834;asciilifeform;e.g. a 'nursery'
1028467;1424583845;asciilifeform;from which objs are promoted, optionally
1028468;1424583846;asciilifeform;etc
1028469;1424583874;mircea_popescu;i think you see my point. well "my". porobably the oldest point in computing.
1028470;1424583913;asciilifeform;the ultimate mega-death-star reference work on the subject is 'garbage collection algorithms for automatic dynamic memory management' (r. jones & r. d. lins)
1028471;1424583917;asciilifeform;^^^^^ recommended
1028472;1424583921;asciilifeform;to anyone who gives half a fuck
1028473;1424583946;asciilifeform;in fact, i dare say it is the only good work on the subject in dead tree.
1028474;1424583992;asciilifeform;but yes, garbage collection will have a terrible reputation for at least another half century on account of the state-of-the-art half a century ago when john mccarthy invented it, 'stop the world'
1028475;1424584015;asciilifeform;literally, like keeping two flats, occasionally taking useful objects from one to the other, then setting off dynamite in the old flat.
1028476;1424584044;asciilifeform;'stop the world' is also called 'semispace'
1028477;1424584050;mircea_popescu;everything should be dereferenced every 1337th instruction
1028478;1424584051;asciilifeform;!s semispace
1028479;1424584052;assbot;3 results for 'semispace' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=semispace
1028480;1424584056;asciilifeform;^ we did it
1028481;1424584057;mircea_popescu;that way, it defnitely fits in head.
1028482;1424584062;asciilifeform;l0l
1028483;1424584100;mircea_popescu;"how long is a program ?" "that depends. on 64 bit registers, roughly 21kb
1028484;1424584251;asciilifeform;i'll add that neither 'mark and sweep' (stop-the-world in its basic form) nor 'reference counting' are necessary on a dataflow machine
1028485;1424584268;asciilifeform;where you can determine precisely what objects are live simply by... forming electric circuit (yes) from the root node
1028486;1424584278;asciilifeform;and whoever 'lights up' is live.
1028487;1424584328;asciilifeform;obligatory:
1028488;1424584329;asciilifeform;!s spaghetti sort
1028489;1424584330;assbot;1 results for 'spaghetti sort' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=spaghetti+sort
1028490;1424584376;asciilifeform;^^^ wtf!!!! stemming is back!
1028491;1424584384;asciilifeform;die stemming, die
1028492;1424584417;asciilifeform;http://everything2.com/title/spaghetti+sort
1028493;1424584418;assbot;spaghetti sort - Everything2.com ... ( http://bit.ly/17mLhXC )
1028494;1424584418;mircea_popescu;how is it stemmed ?
1028495;1424584426;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: look at the result
1028496;1424584435;asciilifeform;does the string 'spaghetti sort' occur in it ?
1028497;1424584438;mircea_popescu;sort-of ? that's proper break
1028498;1424584448;mircea_popescu;but it never was strict sting, it was boith words.
1028499;1424584458;mircea_popescu;you want quotes.
1028500;1424584471;mircea_popescu;!s 'spaghetti sort'
1028501;1424584472;assbot;1 results for ''spaghetti sort'' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=%27spaghetti+sort%27
1028502;1424584480;mircea_popescu;!s "spaghetti sort"
1028503;1424584481;assbot;0 results for '"spaghetti sort"' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=%22spaghetti+sort%22
1028504;1424584481;asciilifeform;aha
1028505;1424584489;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu is correct
1028506;1424584489;mircea_popescu;you want " quotes specifically.
1028507;1424584542;asciilifeform;back to thread, momentarily, before i nod off to sleep; certain problems (i dare say most of the 'big ones') in algorithms magically dissipate when you burn the retarded von neumann thing
1028508;1424584662;asciilifeform;for real life implementations of 'spaghetti sort', see adi shamir's 'twinkle' and 'twirl' machines.
1028509;1424584676;asciilifeform;(i'm nearly certain we did these here)
1028510;1424584720;asciilifeform;in a von neumann machine, you'd have to individually address and ask each cell what its output is, to take the sum, like a total idiot
1028511;1424584744;mircea_popescu;is shamir still working on those light machines ?
1028512;1424584744;asciilifeform;in 'twinkle', you just have a led in each and a phototransistor on top.
1028513;1424584748;asciilifeform;ask him.
1028514;1424584777;*;asciilifeform never saw shamir alive and doesn't expect to, iirc he was perma-banned from usa
1028515;1424584790;mircea_popescu;was he ?
1028516;1424584806;asciilifeform;http://fas.org/blogs/secrecy/2013/10/shamir
1028517;1424584808;assbot;Cryptographer Adi Shamir Prevented from Attending NSA History Conference ... ( http://bit.ly/17mLJVM )
1028518;1424584858;mircea_popescu;mebbe we should ask adlai to pay him a visit ? do an interview for qntra
1028519;1424584891;asciilifeform;see also comments
1028520;1424584894;asciilifeform;for other banned folks
1028521;1424584922;asciilifeform;https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20131016/10282624900/how-government-blocked-expert-attending-its-own-cryptology-symposium.shtml << moar
1028522;1424584924;assbot;How The Government Blocked An Expert From Attending Its Own Cryptology Symposium | Techdirt ... ( http://bit.ly/17mLSIV )
1028523;1424584946;asciilifeform;'In July 2013 I told the NSA-affiliated conference organizers that I was having some problems in getting my visa, and gently asked whether they could do something about it. Always eager to help, the NSA people leaped into action, and immediately sent me a short email written with a lot of tact: �The trouble you are having is regrettable�Sorry you won�t be able to come to our conference. We have submitted our program and
1028524;1424584946;asciilifeform;did not include you on it.�
1028525;1424584948;asciilifeform;'
1028526;1424584989;mircea_popescu; In my humble opinion, we are heading toward a disaster, and I have heard many people, among them our top scientists, saying that they are not willing anymore to visit the US, and collaborate with American scientists, because of the difficulties.
1028527;1424584991;mircea_popescu;heg
1028528;1424584999;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 36300 @ 0.00036925 = 13.4038 BTC [+]
1028529;1424585026;pete_dushenski;aw i missed adam_obrien's cherry popping
1028530;1424585139;mircea_popescu;"As a friend of the US I am deeply worried that if you continue to delay visas in such a way, the only thing you will achieve is to alienate many world-famous foreign scientists, forcing them to increase their cooperation with European or Chinese scientists whose countries roll the red carpet for such visits. "
1028531;1424585140;mircea_popescu;heh.
1028532;1424585163;mircea_popescu;"why get now for free what you won't be able to afford later on ?!?!?!!?"
1028533;1424585164;pete_dushenski;us just wants to bury its head in the sand
1028534;1424585180;asciilifeform;'we don't need no stinking jew crypto here in the reich'
1028535;1424585206;*;mircea_popescu tries real hard to imagine the next generation shamir putting to paper the 'friend of the us' string.
1028536;1424585217;asciilifeform;that was probably a first and a last.
1028537;1424585219;mircea_popescu;hegel and shaw were great friends of the third reich,
1028538;1424585225;mircea_popescu;but who in the 60s said the same ?
1028539;1424585232;pete_dushenski;asciilifeform:it's about the get-the-microshit-out-of-my-fucking-face-i-dont-care-what << now, as ever
1028540;1424585266;asciilifeform;iirc pete_dushenski is a hereditary apple user, ought to deeply grok this ^
1028541;1424585266;pete_dushenski;lol jew crypto!
1028542;1424585287;pete_dushenski;asciilifeform your memory serves you well.
1028543;1424585304;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 37135 @ 0.00036925 = 13.7121 BTC [+]
1028544;1424585305;asciilifeform;i'm friends with several folks like that in meatspace
1028545;1424585310;asciilifeform;and thereby know
1028546;1424585312;pete_dushenski;and while the new stuff is faster, it certainly isn't built to last
1028547;1424585330;pete_dushenski;the screen on this 'air' is already mroe borked than us science
1028548;1424585334;pete_dushenski;not 2 years old
1028549;1424585368;asciilifeform;the only apple box currently in my collection is a circa-'09 'air'
1028550;1424585379;asciilifeform;it is very well preserved but survived a burst (yes) battery
1028551;1424585381;pete_dushenski;6 year old al macbook is slow, but a bit weighed down with junk, still mechanically solid
1028552;1424585393;pete_dushenski;burst!
1028553;1424585397;asciilifeform;aha
1028554;1424585408;asciilifeform;looked like a botulismed tin can
1028555;1424585415;asciilifeform;the whole machine!
1028556;1424585419;pete_dushenski;don't eat it!
1028557;1424585424;asciilifeform;keys discorged from kbd, etc
1028558;1424585428;asciilifeform;*disgorged
1028559;1424585439;asciilifeform;vendor repair for a few hundy, iirc
1028560;1424585445;asciilifeform;included new kbd and chassis
1028561;1424585448;pete_dushenski;!gettrust adam_obrien
1028562;1424585449;assbot;Trust relationship from user pete_dushenski to user adam_obrien: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 1 via 1 connections. | http://w.b-a.link/trust/pete_dushenski/adam_obrien | http://w.b-a.link/user/adam_obrien
1028563;1424585477;pete_dushenski;asciilifeform not bad.
1028564;1424585505;pete_dushenski;i think a new screen will run about 200 for this air
1028565;1424585513;pete_dushenski;procrastinating...
1028566;1424585530;pete_dushenski;mostly because i'm annoyed
1028567;1424585536;mircea_popescu;http://41.media.tumblr.com/40c900a0b6e296ee104f65275903124f/tumblr_ncoltiHwzR1rdc5oto1_400.jpg << anyone know that signature ?
1028568;1424585537;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/18e6wMk )
1028569;1424585537;asciilifeform;what vintage air ?
1028570;1424585553;asciilifeform;i've a dead one with intact lcd.
1028571;1424585564;pete_dushenski;2013 air
1028572;1424585570;asciilifeform;standard res ?
1028573;1424585575;pete_dushenski;ya
1028574;1424585578;asciilifeform;find if part is compatible with circa 2010
1028575;1424585587;pete_dushenski;kk
1028576;1424585602;asciilifeform;if yes, gpggram a post box addr and i'll mail you.
1028577;1424585615;asciilifeform;itching to get rid of that thing to good use, it's cluttering up my machine shop
1028578;1424585633;jurov;http://english.pravda.ru/world/europe/20-02-2015/129881-minsk_munich-0/ lol. i can't even..
1028579;1424585635;assbot;Minsk and Munich: History repeats itself - English pravda.ru ... ( http://bit.ly/18e6GmV )
1028580;1424585636;asciilifeform;the bottom half is melted
1028581;1424585639;asciilifeform;into heap of slag
1028582;1424585644;asciilifeform;but lcd ought to work
1028583;1424585669;pete_dushenski;asciilifeform danke for the offer at least!
1028584;1424585676;*;pete_dushenski still digging
1028585;1424585797;asciilifeform;i'm actually the only person i know who keeps an apple box 'for testing xxxx on apple once in a blue moon' without sitting on it all the time
1028586;1424585808;asciilifeform;somehow this is simply not done...
1028587;1424586219;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4400 @ 0.00036925 = 1.6247 BTC [+]
1028588;1424586239;pete_dushenski;i have an old apple box or two that is blue mooning
1028589;1424586290;pete_dushenski;asciilifeform ok, so here's the air display situation: if you have the 1280x800 screen, i'm out of luck, if you have the 1440x900 then we're good!
1028590;1424586299;asciilifeform;sadly it's the former.
1028591;1424586309;pete_dushenski;myeah
1028592;1424586312;asciilifeform;(it being the original series)
1028593;1424586316;pete_dushenski;just our luck eh
1028594;1424586320;asciilifeform;eh well.
1028595;1424586332;pete_dushenski;thx for the offer though
1028596;1424586337;asciilifeform;np
1028597;1424586365;asciilifeform;if anybody else here wants it, mail me.
1028598;1424586401;asciilifeform;incidentally, it died of nvidia gpu
1028599;1424586418;asciilifeform;bottom is molten slag because i tried the traditional hot air reflow machine repair method
1028600;1424586426;asciilifeform;and couldn't be arsed to take the mobo out beforehand
1028601;1424586432;asciilifeform;and overcooked it a wee bit.
1028602;1424586491;pete_dushenski;jurov lol oh pravda...
1028603;1424586494;asciilifeform;had to issue pet new box.
1028604;1424586532;asciilifeform;комсомольская правда!
1028605;1424586534;pete_dushenski;what'd you replace it with ?
1028606;1424586546;asciilifeform;☭☭☭☭☭☭☭☭☭☭☭☭☭☭☭☭☭☭☭
1028607;1424586556;asciilifeform;pete_dushenski: similar
1028608;1424586572;thestringpuller;all these unicode characters!
1028609;1424586583;thestringpuller;pete_dushenski: i bought a car lol.
1028610;1424586590;thestringpuller;Subaru. not quite a saddam.
1028611;1424586600;pete_dushenski;a nice!
1028612;1424586611;pete_dushenski;saving the volvo idea for later ?
1028613;1424586623;*;asciilifeform used to have a 'subaru'
1028614;1424586624;thestringpuller;d00d was telling me about forrester he sold that had 400k miles on it
1028615;1424586635;thestringpuller;and was still running, had been driven all over the country
1028616;1424586655;asciilifeform;incidentally, there is no firm 'subaru'
1028617;1424586655;pete_dushenski;asciilifeform that bit of russian gets spit out as "tvnz" by google translate
1028618;1424586658;asciilifeform;there is only fuji heavy industries.
1028619;1424586658;thestringpuller;pete_dushenski: saving the volvo idea for later << can't find one that's bene taken care of
1028620;1424586697;pete_dushenski;;;later tell kakobrekla please to add !translate function to assbot wish list.
1028621;1424586698;gribble;The operation succeeded.
1028622;1424586743;pete_dushenski;asciilifeform of which toyota owns a chunk
1028623;1424586762;pete_dushenski;thestringpuller not so surprising really
1028624;1424586804;*;asciilifeform is not 'car guy' despite - or perhaps because of? - spending a rather extraordinary amount of time in cars
1028625;1424586820;pete_dushenski;!rate adam_obrien 3 the kid can hustle. cad-btc broker.
1028626;1424586820;assbot;Request successful, get your OTP: http://w.b-a.link/otp/ed6e644feaa308c5
1028627;1424586845;pete_dushenski;asciilifeform sorta like taxi drivers aren't "car guys"
1028628;1424586850;pete_dushenski;per se
1028629;1424586853;asciilifeform;sorta
1028630;1424586930;*;asciilifeform drove on what must've been a 20km solid strip of ice today
1028631;1424586953;pete_dushenski;drove or was driven ?
1028632;1424586959;asciilifeform;the former
1028633;1424586967;asciilifeform;driven lol
1028634;1424586970;asciilifeform;whos gonna
1028635;1424587007;asciilifeform;the woman - doesn't drive
1028636;1424587031;pete_dushenski;orly ? no license even ?
1028637;1424587034;asciilifeform;aha
1028638;1424587040;asciilifeform;believe or not there are such people
1028639;1424587045;asciilifeform;in modern day
1028640;1424587066;*;pete_dushenski fuming at 'air' now. $450-600 for new display!
1028641;1424587088;pete_dushenski;sure, i just thought they mostly lived in montreal
1028642;1424587088;asciilifeform;apple tax (tm)
1028643;1424587105;asciilifeform;pete_dushenski: iirc it is possible to forgo cars in montreal
1028644;1424587119;pete_dushenski;very much so
1028645;1424587134;pete_dushenski;one of the only places on the continent
1028646;1424587153;pete_dushenski;i should say, one of the only that i'd live in and not have need for car
1028647;1424587194;pete_dushenski;so it's 1) real city, 2) pleasant (for me), 3) doesn't require car
1028648;1424587210;*;asciilifeform went there, once, as a schoolboy
1028649;1424587223;pete_dushenski;nyc is 1 and 3, not 2
1028650;1424587231;pete_dushenski;asciilifeform school trip ?
1028651;1424587236;*;asciilifeform for some reason only remembers the chinese quarter with the monstrous fish hanging in the market
1028652;1424587238;asciilifeform;with spike
1028653;1424587245;asciilifeform;nah not school, went with family for kicks
1028654;1424587252;asciilifeform;just because we could
1028655;1424587305;pete_dushenski;hey why not
1028656;1424587332;pete_dushenski;!v assbot:pete_dushenski.rate.adam_obrien.3:2dcac74653866d7b577b42d50842fd1c1258e54ebd97872ccff075cdfb32fb26
1028657;1424587333;assbot;Successfully added a rating of 3 for adam_obrien with note: the kid can hustle. cad-btc broker.
1028658;1424587410;pete_dushenski;asciilifeform did/do you have siblings ?
1028659;1424587414;asciilifeform;aha
1028660;1424587416;asciilifeform;brother
1028661;1424587470;pete_dushenski;heh i somehow imagined that you had all this time as a youf to diddle computers because you were an only child!
1028662;1424587477;asciilifeform;l0l no.
1028663;1424587559;asciilifeform;elder brother, led me to the sinful life.
1028664;1424587583;asciilifeform;but more clever than i - he has virtually no net presence at all.
1028665;1424587626;pete_dushenski;how is ignoring the best first largest cult 'more clever' ?
1028666;1424587648;pete_dushenski;other than less gasenwagen
1028667;1424587651;asciilifeform;mainly ^
1028668;1424587667;pete_dushenski;he won't have a chance to be teh gwagon driver though!
1028669;1424587679;pete_dushenski;when we put the shoe on the other foot
1028670;1424587688;pete_dushenski;WHEN i tell you.
1028671;1424587707;pete_dushenski;heh
1028672;1424587740;asciilifeform;obligatory:
1028673;1424587742;asciilifeform;http://orwell.ru/library/articles/revenge/english/e_revso
1028674;1424587743;assbot;George Orwell: Revenge is Sour ... ( http://bit.ly/18e7V5A )
1028675;1424587750;*;asciilifeform for the record, does not agree with mr. o
1028676;1424587755;asciilifeform;on this subject
1028677;1424587756;pete_dushenski;http://dpaste.com/32BQMT1.txt << lulzy btc-e phish i just received
1028678;1424587757;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/18e7Yyk )
1028679;1424587758;asciilifeform;but the piece is relevant
1028680;1424587773;pete_dushenski;with "btc-e wallet.rar" attachment
1028681;1424587881;thestringpuller; lol. i've noticed a slight pattern.
1028682;1424587891;thestringpuller;pete is most active in #b-a after writing an article
1028683;1424587917;thestringpuller;got this pavlov goin on here. saw your name pete, and subconciously refreshed tab with your blog in it. voila new article. ;)
1028684;1424587927;asciilifeform;i've always wondered if vonnegut wrote the leather suitcase strap scene in his 'mother night' after reading that orwell piece
1028685;1424587938;pete_dushenski;thestringpuller lol except that was from this morning!
1028686;1424587943;pete_dushenski;like 15 hours ago
1028687;1424587951;asciilifeform;it's similar to the point of being misfiled together in my head
1028688;1424587978;pete_dushenski;but yes, the routine is something like 1) publish, 2) self-scoop, 3) catch-up
1028689;1424587992;asciilifeform;Mengel was speaking of Rudolf Franz Hoess, the commandant of the extermination camp
1028690;1424587993;asciilifeform;at Auschwitz. In his tender care, literally millions of Jews were gassed. Mengel knew a little
1028691;1424587993;asciilifeform;about Hoess. Before emigrating to Israel in 1947, Mengel helped to hang Hoess.
1028692;1424587993;asciilifeform; And he didn't do it with testimony, either. He did it with his two big hands. 'When Hoess
1028693;1424587993;asciilifeform;was hanged,' he told me, 'the strap around his ankles � I put that on and made it tight'
1028694;1424587993;asciilifeform; 'Did that give you a lot of satisfaction?' I said.
1028695;1424587995;asciilifeform; 'No,' he said, 'I was like almost everybody who came through that war.'
1028696;1424587997;asciilifeform; 'What do you mean?' I said. 'I got so I couldn't feel anything,' said Mengel. 'Every job was
1028697;1424587999;asciilifeform;a job to do, and no job was any better or any worse than any other.'
1028698;1424588001;asciilifeform; 'After we finished hanging Hoess,' Mengel said to me, 'I packed up my clothes to go home.
1028699;1424588003;asciilifeform;The catch on my suitcase was broken, so I buckled it shut with a big leather strap. Twice
1028700;1424588005;asciilifeform;within an hour I did the very same job � once to Hoess and once to my suitcase. Both jobs
1028701;1424588007;asciilifeform;felt about the same.'
1028702;1424588059;pete_dushenski;makes sense
1028703;1424588067;pete_dushenski;(from the armchair)
1028704;1424588080;pete_dushenski;depends on one's own disposition too
1028705;1424588092;asciilifeform;http://schoolsites.schoolworld.com/schools/Cheltenham/webpages/rwilman/files/kurt%20vonnegut%20-%20mother%20night.pdf << l33t w4r3z copy
1028706;1424588094;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/18e8dtk )
1028707;1424588097;pete_dushenski;do you give a shit when you see roadkill ?
1028708;1424588121;asciilifeform;i'm told that in subsaharan africa, human roadkill is sop
1028709;1424588129;asciilifeform;as in, no one stops to clean it up or id it
1028710;1424588142;asciilifeform;just not anybody's business.
1028711;1424588150;thestringpuller;asciilifeform: your stories make me never want to go to jail.
1028712;1424588151;asciilifeform;it goes flatter, spins around now&then
1028713;1424588169;thestringpuller;i mean no one wants to go to jail. but your stories REALLY make me not want to go to jail
1028714;1424588169;asciilifeform;thestringpuller: and i'm not even in the jail
1028715;1424588199;*;asciilifeform has not even yet been in the jail
1028716;1424588202;asciilifeform;so which stories
1028717;1424588204;pete_dushenski;you have a lot less time to fuck around worry about someone else's problems in a country where there's not 50x more wealth than needed for sustenance.
1028718;1424588240;asciilifeform;pete_dushenski: i can only guess at why they do, but the human roadkill thing isn't so surprising
1028719;1424588260;pete_dushenski;it isn't to me either
1028720;1424588280;pete_dushenski;there's >1bn 'lives' in africa
1028721;1424588299;pete_dushenski;yet less productive output than the northern tip of israel
1028722;1424588324;*;asciilifeform kicks a small crate labelev 'nuvoton'
1028723;1424588362;*;asciilifeform shoves a larger crate of israeli gas masks
1028724;1424588397;*;asciilifeform looks for manufactured object from africa in room, can't find
1028725;1424588476;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27300 @ 0.00036402 = 9.9377 BTC [-]
1028726;1424588482;pete_dushenski;precisement
1028727;1424588515;*;pete_dushenski guesses that asciilifeform isn't much for aesthetic diamonds
1028728;1424588534;*;asciilifeform has a diamond cutoff wheel somewhere
1028729;1424588535;pete_dushenski;or 50-year-old pianos
1028730;1424588540;asciilifeform;actually
1028731;1424588548;asciilifeform;i've a sack of piano keys, circa 1890
1028732;1424588554;pete_dushenski;elephant keys!
1028733;1424588557;asciilifeform;aha
1028734;1424588563;asciilifeform;but then could even count the tantalum in capacitors
1028735;1424588573;asciilifeform;i was specifically looking for manufactured goods
1028736;1424588581;pete_dushenski;not more roadkill
1028737;1424588583;asciilifeform;if vegetable, mineral - can probably turn up a dozen
1028738;1424588625;asciilifeform;(why piano keys - story for another day)
1028739;1424588626;pete_dushenski;africa: come for the adventure, leave with the roadkill
1028740;1424588635;asciilifeform;stay as the roadkill
1028741;1424588651;asciilifeform;depending how the dice fall
1028742;1424588674;pete_dushenski;if you're traveling to africa, you can probably afford to stay out of the anonymous ditch
1028743;1424588681;asciilifeform;obligatory mega-classic: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/924795/posts
1028744;1424588683;assbot;Let Africa Sink  ... ( http://bit.ly/18e8vAl )
1028745;1424588731;pete_dushenski;asciilifeform aha i recall reading that while writing this: http://www.contravex.com/2014/11/21/why-are-you-in-such-a-huff-all-i-said-was-we-should-think-about-quarantining-africa/
1028746;1424588732;assbot;Why Are You In Such A Huff? All I Said Was “We Should Think About Quarantining Africa” | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski ... ( http://bit.ly/18e8xbi )
1028747;1424588763;pete_dushenski;in the olden days when ebola was scary...
1028748;1424588771;pete_dushenski;all of 3 months ago ?
1028749;1424588781;asciilifeform;would be interesting to know where it went
1028750;1424588799;asciilifeform;for all i know, it rages still somewhere in midwest
1028751;1424588804;asciilifeform;amidst news blackout
1028752;1424588829;asciilifeform;or, alternatively, 'politicians want to live too' and quietly orders were given
1028753;1424588845;pete_dushenski;eh if news is leaking out of ukraine, it can find its way out of midwestia
1028754;1424588866;asciilifeform;the stopper on ua bottle - in english - is nearly airtight
1028755;1424588904;pete_dushenski;i call baloney
1028756;1424588922;pete_dushenski;what is this, 1950 ?
1028757;1424588932;pete_dushenski;950 ?
1028758;1424588935;asciilifeform;pete_dushenski: care to show counter-example ?
1028759;1424588957;asciilifeform;as in, who - other than orlov - is spilling the beans in engl. ?
1028760;1424588989;pete_dushenski;tlp, mp
1028761;1424588996;asciilifeform;tlp ?
1028762;1424589000;pete_dushenski;hell, fox news
1028763;1424589007;asciilifeform;lol srsly ?
1028764;1424589034;pete_dushenski;not that seriously, but not that jokingly either
1028765;1424589046;pete_dushenski;the last psychiatrist, chris ballas
1028766;1424589053;asciilifeform;i know who
1028767;1424589058;asciilifeform;but thought he disappeared a while ago
1028768;1424589067;*;asciilifeform has read the complete tlp
1028769;1424589068;pete_dushenski;not really
1028770;1424589081;pete_dushenski;his last article was only 7 months ago
1028771;1424589094;pete_dushenski;*only*
1028772;1424589700;*;pete_dushenski did more digging on foxnews.com, came up utterly blank trying to find anything of value. retracts earlier statement.
1028773;1424589745;thestringpuller;asciilifeform: which << http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=26-07-2014#770561 http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=31-08-2014#817435 << those two in particular. i guess no one wants to be in gulag, but stories like this REALLY make me not wanna be in US gulag. The latter means once prisoner of US gulag, US polezei will toss you back in as the feel like it even if you escape.
1028774;1424589814;pete_dushenski;asciilifeform either way, i figure the burden is on you to prove air tightness, not me to disprove
1028775;1424589832;thestringpuller;as you further state here asciilifeform >> http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=31-08-2014#817449 << the real escape has costs and stuff
1028776;1424589836;pete_dushenski;lack of news in midwest doesn't prove 'cover up'
1028777;1424589849;pete_dushenski;the midwest is just... dull
1028778;1424589869;pete_dushenski;if 'cover up' were in effect, no one would've ever heard of ferguson mo
1028779;1424589885;pete_dushenski;and i'm pretty sure africa's heard of ferguson mo
1028780;1424590246;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 99100 @ 0.00036451 = 36.1229 BTC [+] {2} 
1028781;1424590367;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8050 @ 0.00035807 = 2.8825 BTC [-]
1028782;1424599761;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 84500 @ 0.00037321 = 31.5362 BTC [+] {2} 
1028783;1424601347;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 98300 @ 0.00037842 = 37.1987 BTC [+] {4} 
1028784;1424602628;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 44072 @ 0.00038296 = 16.8778 BTC [+] {3} 
1028785;1424602918;punkman;http://www.getmagicnow.com/
1028786;1424602919;assbot;Magic ... ( http://bit.ly/1D6co4s )
1028787;1424604800;jurov;^ lol asciilifeform can ask them for stuff and pay in bitcoin... but quite bezzle rates
1028788;1424605073;[]bot;Bet placed: 1.5 BTC for No on "BTC to top $500 before 1st May" http://bitbet.us/bet/1120/ Odds: 15(Y):85(N) by coin, 15(Y):85(N) by weight. Total bet: 10.19984479 BTC. Current weight: 92,401.
1028789;1424609460;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15800 @ 0.00036478 = 5.7635 BTC [-]
1028790;1424609716;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: so far i don't disagree - the problem i described could indeed be magicked away entirely and semi-permanently by judicious application of ~100k usd << 100k usd seems to be "magic number" in USia's /etc/moduli
1028791;1424609912;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: danielpbarron: in other news, i got netbsd ramdisk to build. << Beautiful, but there's going to be some very sad japs who still can't netbsd up their pogo next to their toaster because nand
1028792;1424610092;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: nubbins`: elementary fact is that i can only keep my wot obligations (s.nsa) if i have present level of equipment and time << When BTC funded taxi leaves USia, maybe missile takes it down in interesting place and we all meet the "boys from brazil"
1028793;1424610374;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: ben_vulpes, decimation: the point that i was trying - and failing - to make, was that a fundamentally fiat-based business arrangement like renting a house from a fella on opposite end of continent who you've never met and never expect to meet, cannot be 'bitcoinized' in the sense of turning you loose from usg financial jail << Even when "fiat poor" developing "escape WoT" is obstacle
1028794;1424610567;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: this doesn't include private 'consulting' gigs, also, which many of these folks take part in << Seriously perverts rents. All around the country bubbles aroud various installations push rent up $BigInt for $ConvenientInt radius
1028795;1424610738;chetty; All around the country bubbles aroud various installations push rent up $BigInt for $ConvenientInt radius// which makes stupid ideas like min wage even more ridiculous
1028796;1424611075;[]bot;Bet placed: 12 BTC for No on "Gold to drop under $1000 before April 2015" http://bitbet.us/bet/1119/ Odds: 7(Y):93(N) by coin, 8(Y):92(N) by weight. Total bet: 25.4954 BTC. Current weight: 78,985.
1028797;1424611168;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29022 @ 0.00037316 = 10.8298 BTC [+]
1028798;1424611218;punkman;http://innovationpatterns.blogspot.com/2012/04/4-23-2012.html
1028799;1424611219;assbot;Innovation Patterns: 4-23-2012 | Vladislav's Masterpiece ... ( http://bit.ly/1MLxrie )
1028800;1424611235;BingoBoingo;decimation: fluffypony: what about rhodesia? << meatspace friends blessed me with three rare books as birthday gift "Slave to her nigger", "Temptress in the Slave Quarters", and "A Craving for Black Flesh" these people know me too well
1028801;1424611350;BingoBoingo;0 fluffypony: that's not been done, right? << Should be done to death by now, unfortunately undeath and zombies
1028802;1424611750;BingoBoingo;Nice boobie trap trigger too, no nipple will not engorge when the capacitor shorts
1028803;1424612414;danielpbarron;height=217183 vs height=189334
1028804;1424612449;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28200 @ 0.00036478 = 10.2868 BTC [-]
1028805;1424612766;jurov;got curious about bingo's books and unearthed this: http://www.finalcall.com/artman/publish/Perspectives_1/Willie_Lynch_letter_The_Making_of_a_Slave.shtml
1028806;1424612767;assbot;Willie Lynch letter: The Making of a Slave ... ( http://bit.ly/1MLCNtK )
1028807;1424612912;BingoBoingo;jurov: Good find
1028808;1424612972;BingoBoingo;"I HAVE OUTLINED A NUMBER OF DIFFERENCES AMONG THE SLAVES; AND I TAKE THESE DIFFERENCES AND MAKE THEM BIGGER. I USE FEAR, DISTRUST AND ENVY FOR CONTROL PURPOSES." How the British controlled hundreds of millions in india with hundreds of their own
1028809;1424613454;BingoBoingo;Wow, principles discussed recently >> http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=22-02-2015#1028170
1028810;1424613454;assbot;Logged on 22-02-2015 03:06:06; decimation: nah, the whole 'd1scr1m1n4t10n!!!111!!' has everything to do with the general divide & conqueror the kulaks program, and nothing to do with the exercise of actual power
1028811;1424613486;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8150 @ 0.00037316 = 3.0413 BTC [+]
1028812;1424613777;BingoBoingo;mike_c: a lot can change in a year. but i don't think there are enough shares in existence to make it worth it anyway. i mean, what, bingo maybe has 50k shares? << Beauty of MPEx is neither you nor the pederasts can truly be sure.
1028813;1424614074;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: there's really no logical reason to buy it unless you got a better way to run it << ALso can't seriously discount the glory of major sharholders split across 3 continents. GAW could prebtebd to sue coinfire, Qntra???
1028814;1424614357;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: this is true but misleading : in fact you know the fiats will inflate to all shit. and you know start-ups will dilute to all shit. in absolutely no proportion to "Words added" or any other sort of metric. << Scary thing is the longer this goes on and the harder we look for news, the less news words there seem to be to write in my observation. As time goes on I hope pieces like 'Your Disk Controller and You" Take an
1028815;1424614357;BingoBoingo; increasing percent of equity
1028816;1424614425;*;BingoBoingo also offer that the qntra principles could likely drink any other "BTC News" venture under any table.
1028817;1424614616;BingoBoingo;decimation: re: qntra > I guess my thinking is that he is using pretty speculative thinking about the rate of dilution, who knows how management is going to act in the future << So far surprisingly predictable
1028818;1424614645;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 57131 @ 0.00036442 = 20.8197 BTC [-] {2} 
1028819;1424614741;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: and yes, it started with eu 'rohs' mandate for lead-free. << Amazing how much civilization depends on this humble metal
1028820;1424614741;assbot;AMAZING COMPANY!
1028821;1424614903;BingoBoingo;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=22-02-2015#1028418 << Bought iBook G3 at insane discount because display broken. On list of machines I wish I would have kept.
1028822;1424614903;assbot;Logged on 22-02-2015 05:32:09; asciilifeform: 'My wife got through her Master's on a G3 iBook, and we paid to have its motherboard replaced twice for the same graphics issue, a little over a year apart. Having to pay for the first repair sucked, but sometimes those are the odds. Having to pay to repair it a second time due to identical symptoms a couple of months after the initial repair warranty was up was a kick in the teeth, and was a good ind
1028823;1424615069;[]bot;Bet placed: 5 BTC for No on "Light Sweet Crude Oil (WTI) to drop under $30 before April" http://bitbet.us/bet/1112/ Odds: 6(Y):94(N) by coin, 7(Y):93(N) by weight. Total bet: 19.99351 BTC. Current weight: 48,541.
1028824;1424615590;BingoBoingo;pete_dushenski: 6 year old al macbook is slow, but a bit weighed down with junk, still mechanically solid << loving cheapest thinkpad of 2011 still. working on hoarding fans for it and learning enough hardware diddling to do cell replacement in battery apparatus
1028825;1424615806;[]bot;Bet placed: 4 BTC for No on "Bitcoin to drop under $100 before April" http://bitbet.us/bet/1108/ Odds: 8(Y):92(N) by coin, 11(Y):89(N) by weight. Total bet: 24.43457636 BTC. Current weight: 41,533.
1028826;1424616256;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: for all i know, it rages still somewhere in midwest << Maybe in Ohio? Biggest Illinois news is pro-Austerity governor proposing operation as advertized
1028827;1424616420;BingoBoingo;;; later tell pete_dushenski How do you know the ferguson drama wasn't to keep Africans from wanting to go to Middle West?
1028828;1424616420;gribble;The operation succeeded.
1028829;1424617039;nubbins`;mircea_popescu:nubbins`: you know i took a ninety per cent pay cut two years ago? << you actually made money at some point ?! <<< i actually make money *now*, just... less 8)
1028830;1424617101;nubbins`;mircea_popescu:nubbins`: what's a young anti-consumerist to do ;/ << shit look at that, "mother earth news" is actually a thing. <<< print issues are a bit lacking these days, but for the $20/yr or w/e...
1028831;1424617109;nubbins`;website + backlogs are literally a trove tho
1028832;1424617125;nubbins`;you can get every back issue to the 70s on dvd for <sale of the month price>
1028833;1424617154;jurov;is it searchable?
1028834;1424617512;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 70300 @ 0.00036718 = 25.8128 BTC [+] {2} 
1028835;1424618012;jurov;nubbins`: ^
1028836;1424618024;nubbins`;jurov i'd imagine.
1028837;1424618028;nubbins`;;;google mother earth dvd
1028838;1424618029;gribble;Shopping - Mother Earth News: <http://www.motherearthnews.com/shopping/home.aspx>; MOTHER EARTH NEWS Archive 1970-2013: Multiplatform Edition: <http://www.motherearthnews.com/shopping/detail.aspx?itemnumber=7210>; Mother Earth Tour - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mother_Earth_Tour>
1028839;1424618042;nubbins`;i probably have coupon codes somewhere if you actually want it
1028840;1424618049;jurov;you know, it may easily be scanned turds
1028841;1424618080;nubbins`;"The Multiplatform Edition contains files for each year of the magazine in a format that can be transferred for viewing and searching on multiple devices. The content can only be viewed and searched year by year. • The Classic Edition provides a browser-based interface for accessing the archive on your desktop computer or laptop. You can do advanced searches and view content from the entire 44-year archive, all at once!"
1028842;1424618092;nubbins`;they really do put a fair amount of effort into what they do
1028843;1424618198;nubbins`;http://www.motherearthnews.com/blogs/blog-landing.aspx
1028844;1424618200;assbot;Mother Earth News Blog Landing page ... ( http://bit.ly/1CYMeOv )
1028845;1424618205;nubbins`;^ some of the homesteading blogs are rad too
1028846;1424618211;nubbins`;neat seeing how people do things
1028847;1424618458;jurov;looks good, you can look up the coupons someday
1028848;1424618610;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11030 @ 0.00036766 = 4.0553 BTC [+]
1028849;1424618671;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 71947 @ 0.00037316 = 26.8477 BTC [+]
1028850;1424619830;assbot;[MPEX] [S.NSA] 20000 @ 0.000109 = 2.18 BTC [+] {2} 
1028851;1424619952;assbot;[MPEX] [S.NSA] 10000 @ 0.000109 = 1.09 BTC [+]
1028852;1424620928;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 75751 @ 0.00037834 = 28.6596 BTC [+]
1028853;1424621965;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 95900 @ 0.00039569 = 37.9467 BTC [+] {2} 
1028854;1424622366;asciilifeform;jurov: can ask them for stuff and pay in bitcoin... but quite bezzle rates << same as 'bitpay' but spammier flavour. and same problem. you can't bitcoinize a fiat business relationship not because of the funny green usg money but because it is wotless
1028855;1424623124;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22900 @ 0.00039809 = 9.1163 BTC [+]
1028856;1424625076;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13400 @ 0.0003998 = 5.3573 BTC [+] {2} 
1028857;1424628553;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 45300 @ 0.00039379 = 17.8387 BTC [+] {2} 
1028858;1424628811;asciilifeform;jurov!
1028859;1424628823;asciilifeform;wtf did turdatron do with my message.
1028860;1424628835;asciilifeform;seriously that thing does not work at all.
1028861;1424628877;mircea_popescu;!up indiancandy1
1028862;1424628897;asciilifeform;jurov: it even mailed it back to me, but not showing in the www.
1028863;1424628898;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform scoopbot's down, deedbot not here, it's like microsoft over here.
1028864;1424628901;indiancandy1;quick question
1028865;1424628904;mircea_popescu;shoot.
1028866;1424628914;indiancandy1;does anyone kno anything bout viral marketing
1028867;1424628940;asciilifeform;indiancandy1: yes. if you have a rare viral sample (e.g. Marburg) various folks will offer to buy.
1028868;1424628943;mircea_popescu;about as much as they know about psychiatry : everyone has his own story.
1028869;1424628956;fluffypony;further to asciilifeform's point, containment is critical
1028870;1424628974;mircea_popescu;;;later peterl what happened to scoopbot now ?
1028871;1424628975;gribble;Error: The "Later" plugin is loaded, but there is no command named "peterl" in it.  Try "list Later" to see the commands in the "Later" plugin.
1028872;1424628977;fluffypony;most buyers prefer it to be kept as cooled specimens / samples
1028873;1424628979;mircea_popescu;;;later tell peterl what happened to scoopbot now ?
1028874;1424628979;gribble;The operation succeeded.
1028875;1424628986;fluffypony;not just on some petri dish or something
1028876;1424628991;mircea_popescu;indiancandy1 you have voice silly.
1028877;1424629024;mircea_popescu;fluffypony you're a bunch of aholes you know :D
1028878;1424629029;fluffypony;:-P
1028879;1424629106;asciilifeform;http://www.loper-os.org/pub/this_is_retarded.txt
1028880;1424629107;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1vq2hYa )
1028881;1424629108;asciilifeform;jurov ^
1028882;1424629135;mircea_popescu;http://33.media.tumblr.com/df2fcf02fd786b354f2a5578d437180d/tumblr_mxfx4rar6b1srb2awo1_500.gif << acquiring viral samples in the wild.
1028883;1424629138;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1vq2jiH )
1028884;1424629239;mircea_popescu;jurov "Behind the scenes, however, some new that peace was definitely not secured."
1028885;1424629249;mircea_popescu;it looks like a pretty good attempt at being the onion
1028886;1424629406;mircea_popescu;pete_dushenski: asciilifeform that bit of russian gets spit out as "tvnz" by google translate << it's not russian ye kook, it's the hammer and sickle sign
1028887;1424629423;asciilifeform;it had a translation!?!
1028888;1424629424;asciilifeform;l0l!
1028889;1424629425;jurov;asciilifeform: dat clearsigned tftp vomit /o\
1028890;1424629440;asciilifeform;wtf's wrong with my chunder
1028891;1424629446;asciilifeform;why won't it eat.
1028892;1424629458;asciilifeform;perfectly good chunkz
1028893;1424629486;jurov;it's kilometer line. we already had this discussion
1028894;1424629494;asciilifeform;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-DDqgnxPnyI
1028895;1424629495;assbot;Alien goat vomit - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1vq2Z7M )
1028896;1424629498;asciilifeform;^ obligatory
1028897;1424629499;jurov;that stmp just won't  do kilometer lines
1028898;1424629507;jurov;*smtp
1028899;1424629535;jurov;Pogov4> tftp 0x800000 netbsd.ub Using egiga0 device TFTP from server [censored]; our IP address is [censored] Filename 'netbsd.ub'. Load address: 0x800000 Loading: #################################################################          #################################################################          #################################################################          #############################################################
1028900;1424629536;jurov;       #################################################################          #################################################################          #################################################################
1028901;1424629541;jurov;^ this
1028902;1424629546;asciilifeform;could've guessed
1028903;1424629547;asciilifeform;but why?
1028904;1424629552;mircea_popescu;o.O
1028905;1424629562;mircea_popescu;why didn't you guess! and why. because fucking email.
1028906;1424629577;mircea_popescu;stupidest protocol in common use since the bretton woods agreements
1028907;1424629696;mircea_popescu;thestringpuller: got this pavlov goin on here. saw your name pete, and subconciously refreshed tab with your blog in it. voila new article. ;) << ha.
1028908;1424629873;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform: (why piano keys - story for another day) << im pretty sure those are illegal in your jurisdiction.
1028909;1424629895;asciilifeform;technically grandfathered
1028910;1424629904;asciilifeform;but i won't be surprised to have them exhibited at my hanging
1028911;1424629921;asciilifeform;'prove you didn't shoot the elephant'
1028912;1424629944;mircea_popescu;there's no such thing as grandfathered for parts.
1028913;1424629947;mircea_popescu;only for whole item.
1028914;1424630039;mircea_popescu;pete_dushenski: and i'm pretty sure africa's heard of ferguson mo << at least the part that can read. although... it seems improbable that if they did we don't see the output.
1028915;1424630054;mircea_popescu;"i represent the family of a rich ferguson, mo merchant who has died in the recent troubles..."
1028916;1424630152;mircea_popescu;http://www.getmagicnow.com/magic.jpg << lol that shit looks kinda like my shit. of course, i would suspect they'd choke if i put my lists through them, as i don't order pizza.
1028917;1424630154;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1vq4cvO )
1028918;1424630285;mircea_popescu;chetty: [...] which makes stupid ideas like min wage even more ridiculous << there's simply no way to avoid it. it IS a stupid idea, of course, but in an inflation driven economy everyone just keeps trying to climb on everyone else.
1028919;1424630303;mircea_popescu;inflation economy is basically the cheapest most reliable implementation of "crabs in the pot" to human society.
1028920;1424630315;mircea_popescu;nothing ever gets done anymore because everyone's energy is spent dragging everyone else down.
1028921;1424630379;mircea_popescu;and if in a scored sport, say baseball or soccer, they started messing with the scoreboard, the game'd stop right then and all the players etc would just move to working teh board.
1028922;1424630390;mircea_popescu; "come watch a bunch of folks sit at desks on a green field, make numbers go up."
1028923;1424630424;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo: meatspace friends blessed me with three rare books as birthday gift "Slave to her nigger", "Temptress in the Slave Quarters", and "A Craving for Black Flesh" these people know me too well << wtf, these are books or more like photo albums ?
1028924;1424630638;mircea_popescu;http://utc.iath.virginia.edu/abolitn/abaufda8t.html << if anyone's curious to see 1845 pious fraud, here's the "great philosopher" frederick douglass making shit up.
1028925;1424630639;assbot;Douglass' Narrative ... ( http://bit.ly/1vq54Aw )
1028926;1424630688;mircea_popescu;he sounds exactly like a better read joseph smith. substantially the same inclination to pass counterfactuality for fact "because who's to say it didn't happen" and "it damned well serves the purpose of making my understanding of the world more palatable ot others".
1028927;1424630713;mircea_popescu;kinda lends a lot of substance to a notion that usians are actually broken in the head structurally, rather than accidentally. at least the usians of the time.
1028928;1424630804;ben_vulpes;douglass was a fraud?
1028929;1424630823;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: not only were the colonies (and then usa) the world's premier nuthouse for sectarian nutters, but the era of 'we have empty space now' promoted the 'tell'em tall tales and who's to say it didn't happen out there in the woods' mentality
1028930;1424630841;mircea_popescu;i never read anything important he wrote. he did a lot of abolitionist propaganda, for which his party attached titles to him.
1028931;1424630856;mircea_popescu;this makes him no more a philosopher than the soviets.
1028932;1424630879;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform apparently. it's kind-of strange that this shared psychosis was never investigated.
1028933;1424630901;mircea_popescu;then people jump at the fundamentally antiscientific restructuring of science the americans did (and many places copied) after 1950 as a sort of noivel phenomena
1028934;1424630925;mircea_popescu;fucking bs, there's nothing novel about it, they just did to science what they had been doing all through 1800s. which apparently is, for unclear reasons, all the ycan intellectually do ?!
1028935;1424630969;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: marc twain did a pretty good job investigating
1028936;1424631000;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform and you obviously notice that after the "god spoke to me through stones in hat" west of the early 1800 and the "god spoke to me re black people" of the mid 1800s, they moved on to "god spoke to me re rhodesia" almost seamlessly. and before that it was...
1028937;1424631019;asciilifeform;even mr mold got this much
1028938;1424631022;mircea_popescu;basically, THIS if anything is the red thread of a putative "american nation". religious obscurantism divorced from religion per se.
1028939;1424631039;asciilifeform;his whole thesis was approximately this sentence
1028940;1424631046;asciilifeform;'christianity without the chris'
1028941;1424631064;mircea_popescu;it may well hold some value.
1028942;1424631073;mircea_popescu;well, also notably without the virgin whore.
1028943;1424631090;mircea_popescu;the only other people i know about this stupid and stupid in this manner are the sicilians, and they are fucking fixated on the holy cunt.
1028944;1424631131;asciilifeform;iirc he compared it to certain genetically engineered bacteria that end up shedding the payload - 'why should i piss out $protein when i can be making more copies of self faster'
1028945;1424631135;mircea_popescu;(sicilians more in the "kingdom of two sicilies" than in the island of ~ sense)
1028946;1424631156;mircea_popescu;no cause they do have a payload.
1028947;1424631169;mircea_popescu;the payload is, amusdingly enough, a very primitive answer to the same problem.
1028948;1424631180;asciilifeform;that is, evolutionary pressure to jettison whatever payload is no longer serving the ultimate purpose
1028949;1424631181;mircea_popescu;they STILL deal with their own fear of death, just, not iun the very refined jewish manner.
1028950;1424631189;ben_vulpes;asciilifeform: re "piece of shit" neat stuff
1028951;1424631197;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: tried it ?
1028952;1424631210;ben_vulpes;nope.
1028953;1424631215;ben_vulpes;no pogo.
1028954;1424631229;asciilifeform;once have pogo: if you use the tftp recipe, you no longer need to wear out your nand to run these
1028955;1424631232;ben_vulpes;have not the shiva arms
1028956;1424631263;asciilifeform;^ pun intended ?
1028957;1424631282;asciilifeform;(the original machine in the series was marketed as 'sheeva plug.' and ran on same 'arm' chip by 'marvell'...)
1028958;1424631309;mircea_popescu;much more brusquely, as if a cowboy in dirty footwraps at a bar somewhere decided to cut it short and end with a joke.
1028959;1424631320;ben_vulpes;somewhere deep in the stack, something insisted on saying it. same way the rest of my puns happen.
1028960;1424631338;mircea_popescu;your punhole's leakin'.
1028961;1424631350;ben_vulpes;i can't reason about my bioware
1028962;1424631366;*;asciilifeform wonders how many u.s. folk, other than historical re-enactors, know what footwraps are
1028963;1424631385;mircea_popescu;yes well real cowboys don't wear fucking socks.
1028964;1424631418;asciilifeform;socks are finicky high-tech
1028965;1424631423;mircea_popescu;aye.
1028966;1424631428;mircea_popescu;also don't wash well.
1028967;1424631444;asciilifeform;esp. not if 'wash' means 'fording a river'
1028968;1424631449;mircea_popescu;quite.
1028969;1424631468;asciilifeform;phun phact: degenerating ru army recently moved to socks!
1028970;1424631475;asciilifeform;yes, and with american-style boots.
1028971;1424631479;mircea_popescu;o did they ?
1028972;1424631484;asciilifeform;(can't use trad ru boots with socks)
1028973;1424631501;*;mircea_popescu pictures legion of corporals going "omfg end of fucking world igmme a drink"
1028974;1424631507;asciilifeform;sure did.
1028975;1424631510;asciilifeform;or so i'm told
1028976;1424631603;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 40100 @ 0.00037113 = 14.8823 BTC [-]
1028977;1424631610;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: http://www.aif.ru/dontknows/eternal/1084962 << turns out it was proclaimed, but not quite implemented
1028978;1424631612;assbot;Правда ли, что в российской армии отменили портянки? | Вечные вопросы | Вопрос-Ответ | Аргументы и Факты ... ( http://bit.ly/1vq6ATi )
1028979;1424631616;mircea_popescu;ah
1028980;1424631663;asciilifeform;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mKZbHMhP9Q4 << how-to for interested folks
1028981;1424631664;assbot;Портянки: мастер-класс от курских военных - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1vq6FGt )
1028982;1424631692;asciilifeform;good enough for the romans, etc
1028983;1424631707;mircea_popescu;!up indiancandy1
1028984;1424631872;mircea_popescu;"Ancient Rome would envy us if my program is implemented. As our boat sailed south on the James River, named for our illustrious King, whose version of the Bible we cherish"
1028985;1424631876;mircea_popescu;what fucking bs is this lmao.
1028986;1424631897;mircea_popescu;no, and i do mean NO english speaker of 1712 would have come up with that string.
1028987;1424631969;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 38375 @ 0.0003746 = 14.3753 BTC [+]
1028988;1424632156;mircea_popescu;http://38.media.tumblr.com/71ac18eb4da171bef52b398f3612cefa/tumblr_nhgp6yXCdi1rdc5oto1_250.gif pop.
1028989;1424632159;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1vq7tLs )
1028990;1424632235;ben_vulpes;o
1028991;1424632249;ben_vulpes;http://docs.rubygems.org/read/chapter/3 << fucking linkrot
1028992;1424632251;assbot;Page not found | RubyGems.org ... ( http://bit.ly/1vq7DCD )
1028993;1424632274;ben_vulpes;i'm beginning to think that each and every ruby developer's computer is configured to work on exactly one project, and they have no idea how they made it work in the first place.
1028994;1424632286;mircea_popescu;this is quite exact.
1028995;1424632303;mircea_popescu;!b 4
1028996;1424632303;assbot;Last 4 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/1HVWTK3.txt )
1028997;1424632313;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: lol!
1028998;1424632315;ben_vulpes;this leads to such inane babble like "oh rbenv and rvm are neither any better nor any worse than each other, they do different things differently"
1028999;1424632335;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15758 @ 0.00037113 = 5.8483 BTC [-]
1029000;1424632340;ben_vulpes;a) whenever i hear "neither better nor worse" i actually parse "i cannot evaluate things and exist in a perpetual fog of 'oh iono'"
1029001;1424632365;ben_vulpes;b) EVERYONE HACKING ON RUBY IS FAKING COMPETENCE
1029002;1424632381;ben_vulpes;holeeeeeee shit i'm angry.
1029003;1424632384;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes "computers are not about hurtful things like math but more like about feelings and so the fact that there exist unevaluable statements does not worry me, but on the contrary"
1029004;1424632413;ben_vulpes;AWGIBELRUN
1029005;1424632416;ben_vulpes;and the wayback machine is down
1029006;1424632419;ben_vulpes;obab hates me.
1029007;1424632443;mircea_popescu;lol
1029008;1424632455;asciilifeform;http://www.xach.com/naggum/articles/3244650451628407@naggum.no.html << obligatory naggum
1029009;1424632456;assbot;Re: Lisp advocacy misadventures - Naggum cll archive ... ( http://bit.ly/1vq80x5 )
1029010;1424632462;mircea_popescu;the wayback machine thing reminds me of one of the lulziest things ever drug up in my nets :
1029011;1424632511;mircea_popescu;"The problem is the people cannot fit the behaviour into any customary category. It does not look like usual editor's behaviour, does not look as usual spammer's behaviour, etc. They do not know what expect from it. They still cannot stop the bot fixing the dead links. They have angst.
1029012;1424632511;mircea_popescu;And as it is something unusual, the usual verbs cannot be applied to it. Can the ants from the outer space be "forgiven"? No. They can be only wiped out. It is an existential issue, not a technical one. That's why your brilliant arguments won't work"
1029013;1424632514;mircea_popescu;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Archive.is_RFC
1029014;1424632517;assbot;Wikipedia:Archive.is RFC - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ... ( http://bit.ly/1vq867M )
1029015;1424632591;mircea_popescu;tl;dr : someone came in and fixed linkrot for wikipedia without bothering to ask the "anyone can edit" powers whether they aprove.
1029016;1424632595;mircea_popescu;whole thing got burned down.
1029017;1424632621;mircea_popescu;probably best argument ever in that entirely nonsensical "anyone can edit" line of conmanship.
1029018;1424632627;punkman;archive.is (now archive.today) is ran by single russian dude using his own money
1029019;1424632631;mircea_popescu;so ?
1029020;1424632645;punkman;just mentioning
1029021;1424632660;mircea_popescu;aha. anyway, the way back machine being still down...
1029022;1424632692;mircea_popescu;fucking shit how did this never occur to me before http://38.media.tumblr.com/f7f006d83ac11ada3ce11c33a5af21bf/tumblr_nhd5gurIzB1rdc5oto1_500.gif
1029023;1424632694;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1vq8rrd )
1029024;1424632698;mircea_popescu;this is the internet! everyone learns from it!
1029025;1424632812;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: that reminds me: i've long imagined that 'in the dark future where there is only war (tm)' zip ties will be used for expedient field hangings.
1029026;1424632839;asciilifeform;sorta how current american cops use them as handcuffs
1029027;1424632892;asciilifeform;cheaper than bullet, and ever more effete gestapo peopled by folks afraid of blood - perfect match
1029028;1424632907;mircea_popescu;yep.
1029029;1424632919;asciilifeform;zzzip - hrrrrk - next
1029030;1424632931;mircea_popescu;wrists first.
1029031;1424632936;asciilifeform;sure
1029032;1424632938;asciilifeform;complete 3-piece kit
1029033;1424632941;asciilifeform;in envelope
1029034;1424632944;mircea_popescu;just wrists behind back
1029035;1424632950;mircea_popescu;otherwise most men can actually break the shit off.
1029036;1424632966;decimation;basically, THIS if anything is the red thread of a putative "american nation". religious obscurantism divorced from religion per se. << Christians who had other ideas quickly 'got with program'  http://sothl.com/2011/03/06/the-americanization-of-the-lutheran-church-missouri-synod/ < "Even so, despite the initial Americanization that had already taken place, further inroads were held at bay as German immigration kept increasing into the
1029037;1424632968;assbot;The Americanization of the Lutheran Church-Missouri Synod — Shepherd of the Hills ... ( http://bit.ly/1vq8SBQ )
1029038;1424632968;decimation;1880s and the LCMS took measures to keep its German heritage, such as parochial schools in the German language.  Such was broadly the case until World War I, which was the most-decisive occurrence Americanizing the LCMS.  It was then we could no longer deny that we were Americans, since being German in America was then disdained.  It was then that the American flag began to adorn God’s house, His Church, intermingling Church and
1029039;1424632969;decimation;State.  It was then we self-consciously began to relate ourselves to American Protestantism, and so patterned our public worship and viewed ourselves on that basis. "
1029040;1424632970;asciilifeform;feet optional (why did 'dancing the hempen jig' go out of fashion ?)
1029041;1424633000;chetty;<mircea_popescu> otherwise most men can actually break the shit off.// not usains
1029042;1424633002;ben_vulpes;i'm fucking chowning /Library/Ruby to my user
1029043;1424633008;ben_vulpes;bleeeeee
1029044;1424633023;ben_vulpes;ran into a smart cookie of a babe last night
1029045;1424633032;punkman;ben_vulpes: is that why rubyists love docker?
1029046;1424633035;asciilifeform;chetty: complicated. at [censored] we got a shipment of zip ties in recently, and they break with one hand.
1029047;1424633041;asciilifeform;progressively more chinese crud
1029048;1424633052;ben_vulpes;when i explained to her why software as a career might be worse than working in a woodshop with limb loss risks etc, given the decades of shit and bad decisions i have to deal with on a daily basis
1029049;1424633068;ben_vulpes;she said "ah like city planning in europe. this road goes off at 12 degrees because fuck you?"
1029050;1424633071;ben_vulpes;precisely, dear.
1029051;1424633083;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes lol didja bring her here for us to scare her off ?
1029052;1424633104;ben_vulpes;nah i keep the girls away from you terrists.
1029053;1424633106;punkman;ben_vulpes: road goes off at 12 degrees because not city plan at all
1029054;1424633108;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform they probably replaced the polymer.
1029055;1424633135;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes punkman road goes off at 12 degrees because FUCK YOU YOU WORK FOR US so you adapt to us. not the other way around. god dang it.
1029056;1424633141;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: funnier still. the polymer's fine (pulled it with pliers and it stood)
1029057;1424633150;mircea_popescu;this is like the complaint of hairdressers about unspherical heads.
1029058;1424633163;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform ew.
1029059;1424633168;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: but they botched the molding - the ratchet doesn't hold. it's almost as if someone made the injection mold dies from... an n-th generation zip tie
1029060;1424633171;ben_vulpes;punkman: i could not tell you why rubyists like anything.
1029061;1424633201;asciilifeform;we were tying low-voltage cabling, not necks, so nobody gave a fuck
1029062;1424633283;mircea_popescu;"Properly speaking, there is no such thing as revenge. Revenge is an act which you want to commit when you are powerless and because you are powerless: as soon as the sense of impotence is removed, the desire evaporates also."
1029063;1424633311;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19400 @ 0.00037113 = 7.1999 BTC [-]
1029064;1424633314;mircea_popescu;check it out! jesus! orwell understands this much, but does not make the step to grasp that socialism is somethin you want when you're stupid, because you're stupid, and as your brain starts working you stop wanting it./
1029065;1424633318;mircea_popescu;how in the world.
1029066;1424633324;mircea_popescu;o wait. because stupid. okay.
1029067;1424633356;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: remember your article on how 'oceans of pussy' is something boy only wants when he's 14 and living in a cellar ?
1029068;1424633370;mircea_popescu;i do, having written it.
1029069;1424633387;asciilifeform;just like 'drinking an ocean' is something we only 'want' when thirsty
1029070;1424633387;asciilifeform;etc
1029071;1424633397;mircea_popescu;"i could eat a horse". "here you go"
1029072;1424633400;asciilifeform;it isn't stupid as such
1029073;1424633403;asciilifeform;just hungry
1029074;1424633416;jurov;nothing sturdy enough for hangings available.. truly a demise of civilization
1029075;1424633440;mircea_popescu;jurov slash reign of peace.
1029076;1424633455;asciilifeform;jurov: the zip tie and the effete executioner of the future are a match made in heaven. no need to watch the victim struggle, dance. zip - next.
1029077;1424633490;asciilifeform;there was something like this, iirc, depicted in the film 'clouds atlas'
1029078;1424633492;mircea_popescu;where is that proposed vat
1029079;1424633542;asciilifeform;where they kill the meat girl
1029080;1424633544;ben_vulpes;re: field hangings: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BHvJ5WTF3qM
1029081;1424633545;assbot;The counselor scene Brad Pitt killed - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1vq9CH0 )
1029082;1424633562;mircea_popescu;http://trilema.com/2011/ghilotina-moderna/
1029083;1424633563;assbot;Ghilotina moderna pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.  ... ( http://bit.ly/1vq9GH0 )
1029084;1424633567;jurov;btw, i doubt they can get more effete than today
1029085;1424633570;mircea_popescu;if someone feels like reading romanian horrors.
1029086;1424633625;ben_vulpes;"post install message from httparty:"
1029087;1424633629;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: what was that?
1029088;1424633632;ben_vulpes;"when you httparty, you party hard"
1029089;1424633634;ben_vulpes;wat
1029090;1424633694;ben_vulpes;asciilifeform: ratcheting wire decapitator, slung around target's neck
1029091;1424633701;asciilifeform;well yes
1029092;1424633705;asciilifeform;but from where is the scene
1029093;1424633719;asciilifeform;(the scheme itself dates to ancient china, as is well known)
1029094;1424633762;punkman;asciilifeform: stupid movie called "The Counselor"
1029095;1424633823;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: http://www.halfbakery.com/idea/Parallel_20Guillotine and of course http://www.halfbakery.com/idea/Serial_20Guillotine#1123019517
1029096;1424633825;assbot;Halfbakery: Parallel Guillotine ... ( http://bit.ly/1vqa5ZQ )
1029097;1424633826;assbot;Halfbakery: Serial Guillotine ... ( http://bit.ly/1vqa5ZS )
1029098;1424633833;asciilifeform;as for the hydraulic variant, who hasn't considered that.
1029099;1424633928;mircea_popescu;lol
1029100;1424633933;punkman;I was wondering if anyone ever built multi-seat guillotine few days ago
1029101;1424633958;asciilifeform;http://www.morningsidecenter.org/sites/default/files/pictures/guillotine.png
1029102;1424633959;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1vqamMs )
1029103;1424633963;mircea_popescu;you could have a replica of the piss fountain
1029104;1424633967;mircea_popescu;except heads and blood fountain
1029105;1424634075;ben_vulpes;punkman: yeah i guess now i try to docker this thing
1029106;1424634116;asciilifeform;http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2538178/Found-guillotine-used-kill-Hitlers-enemies-But-device-executed-heroine-21-show.html << supposedly original nazi chopper found
1029107;1424634118;assbot;Found, guillotine used to kill Hitler's enemies: But will device that executed heroine, 21, go on show? | Daily Mail Online ... ( http://bit.ly/1vqayLF )
1029108;1424634157;asciilifeform;i don't see any provisions for the infamous 'chin trigger' though
1029109;1424634161;asciilifeform;were the legends a lie?!
1029110;1424634195;ben_vulpes;imho wrong: http://phusion.github.io/baseimage-docker/
1029111;1424634196;assbot;Baseimage-docker: A minimal Ubuntu base image modified for Docker-friendliness ... ( http://bit.ly/1vqaFXB )
1029112;1424634416;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=22-02-2015#1028814 << that's a point huh.
1029113;1424634416;assbot;Logged on 22-02-2015 14:12:37; BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: this is true but misleading : in fact you know the fiats will inflate to all shit. and you know start-ups will dilute to all shit. in absolutely no proportion to "Words added" or any other sort of metric. << Scary thing is the longer this goes on and the harder we look for news, the less news words there seem to be to write in my observation. As time goes on I hope pieces like 'Your Disk
1029114;1424634451;mircea_popescu;it would seem that a correctly run news outlet turns more into rotten.com's library than the gawker empire of shit.
1029115;1424634508;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=22-02-2015#1028816 << any other news site period. it's the goal here : make "fiat" news impossible.
1029116;1424634508;assbot;Logged on 22-02-2015 14:13:45; *: BingoBoingo also offer that the qntra principles could likely drink any other "BTC News" venture under any table.
1029117;1424634692;asciilifeform;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DtBT4hBFL40
1029118;1424634693;assbot;Das Fallbeil - Breif history and demonstration of the german guillotine - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1vqbvDK )
1029119;1424635121;mircea_popescu;"Articulate" has a certain meaning, look in the dictionary; it is fairly consistent throughout all settings except one: when it is used by a white guy to describe a black guy.  In that case, the word suddenly means something completely different than it ordinarily does: it means "not hung up about race."  Here's the point: the black guy may actually be articulate, or not be articulate-- who knows?  But white people kno
1029120;1424635122;mircea_popescu;w exactly what it means in that context.
1029121;1424635139;mircea_popescu;uh... has this usage gone out of fashion in the past five years ? i'm completely unfamiliar with it.
1029122;1424635202;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10000 @ 0.0003746 = 3.746 BTC [+]
1029123;1424635245;mircea_popescu;and for that matter, articulate does not mean  a vague "able to express ideas clearly and effectively in speech or writing" a la webster. what it means is, "all words used according to their definition, so that the receptor does not have to make ANY adjustments to the text to turn it into 'probable' meaning".
1029124;1424635263;mircea_popescu;generally, being articulate is the opposite of thinking there's such a thing as synonymy
1029125;1424635264;asciilifeform;with tftp can go from changed netbsd kernel option, rebuild, run, in less than five seconds
1029126;1424635277;asciilifeform;damn, feel like a moron for not having done this on first day
1029127;1424635289;*;mircea_popescu gives asciilifeform pointed hat.
1029128;1424635296;*;asciilifeform wears
1029129;1424635335;decimation;asciilifeform: does u-boot support tftp?
1029130;1424635341;asciilifeform;decimation: mine does
1029131;1424635349;asciilifeform;can't recall re: the crufty one it ships with
1029132;1424635351;asciilifeform;iirc also yes
1029133;1424635362;decimation;ah yes, that's sop in datacenters with pxe
1029134;1424635387;asciilifeform;it also supports pxe-style bootp but that isn't needed here
1029135;1424635896;danielpbarron;fw_setenv  << how to use this?
1029136;1424636301;mats;https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=9089549 << luls. 'idk nething about security but i wanna create a security startup' and "I think that is an awesome idea. I am currently a Business student with a computer science minor so I consider myself very technical." (real quote)
1029137;1424636302;assbot;Ask HN: What is missing in the IT security world? | Hacker News ... ( http://bit.ly/1vqesnK )
1029138;1424636452;mircea_popescu;mats better than reddit.
1029139;1424636490;mats;i wonder sometimes.
1029140;1424636605;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 53842 @ 0.00037109 = 19.9802 BTC [-] {2} 
1029141;1424636870;mats;https://software.intel.com/sites/landingpage/IntrinsicsGuide/ this is cool.
1029142;1424636872;assbot;Intel Intrinsics Guide ... ( http://bit.ly/1CZX2Me )
1029143;1424636899;decimation;mats: if you are on an intel cpu, that's the book to use to optimize your warez
1029144;1424637126;asciilifeform;mats: for folks with crippled compilers ?
1029145;1424637136;asciilifeform;gcc supports traditional inline asm
1029146;1424637142;mats;why you gotta rain on my parade.
1029147;1424637261;asciilifeform;val[63:0] := HW_RND_GEN.data << lol
1029148;1424637274;asciilifeform;wake me up when they say what HW_RND_GEN is.
1029149;1424637290;asciilifeform;in some magically externally verifiable way
1029150;1424637564;decimation;'icc' actually works pretty well
1029151;1424637581;decimation;if you are gonna be on the intel wagon, might as well use their tools
1029152;1424637589;asciilifeform;mmm no.
1029153;1424637596;asciilifeform;a closed-source compiler is even more of a circus-grade laugh than closed os
1029154;1424637608;asciilifeform;belongs in the side show
1029155;1424637613;asciilifeform;and nowhere else.
1029156;1424637638;decimation;I get your point, but what if you are already on a closed-source microarchitecture?
1029157;1424637669;asciilifeform;sorta like the argument that if there is already the usg-mandated maximum of xxx ppm of turd in your dinner, might as well go full-blown coprophagiac
1029158;1424637712;mats;sure.
1029159;1424637719;decimation;but asciilifeform, if you sell out to intel, your warez can go %x faster!
1029160;1424637766;asciilifeform;if you actually need the x% gains from intel's fortran, or whatnot, you really ought to be doing hand asm optimizations of the bottleneck routines
1029161;1424637773;asciilifeform;and spend lots of quality time with your profiler
1029162;1424637795;mats;http://www.reddit.com/r/crypto/comments/1ph882/a_donglebased_nofootprint_session_is_this_in_any/cd2exm3 << reddit's not so bad sometimes.
1029163;1424637796;assbot;Gorlob comments on A dongle-based "no-footprint" session. Is this in any way valuable or useful? ... ( http://bit.ly/1vqh7hd )
1029164;1424637806;decimation;my understanding is that intel actually hires skilled folks from ru to hand-optimize their libraries
1029165;1424637833;mircea_popescu;"In 1994, there were 20,000 visits for pediatric (under age 19) bipolar disorder.  In 2003, the number was... 800,000.  The diagnosis, therefore, was 25/100,000 in 1994, and now it's 1000/100,000.  In other words, 1% of the population. "
1029166;1424637836;asciilifeform;the kind of optimization i'm speaking of is not libraryizable
1029167;1424637849;asciilifeform;but maximally unique to a particular problem
1029168;1424637851;decimation;aye, understood
1029169;1424637851;mircea_popescu;check it out, bipolar is a virus inf% more effective than ebola, nobody noticed.
1029170;1424637901;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: as he later explains (and ask any depressive patient from usa) it was so that pharma vendors could push patented antiepileptics (and even antipsychotics) to depressives
1029171;1424637941;mircea_popescu;sure, but the advantage of "Science" and "facts" is that, you can build on their solid footing anything you wish.
1029172;1424637957;mircea_popescu;the us MD crackpots are held to explain why the CDC is not going crazy over the bipolar virus yet.
1029173;1424637971;mircea_popescu;such an increase can ONLY be viral. not even a bacteria can do that.
1029174;1424637983;asciilifeform;we all know which 'virus'.
1029175;1424637988;asciilifeform;it isn't any kind of secret from anyone.
1029176;1424637996;mircea_popescu;we are not the subject. let THEM explain.
1029177;1424638000;decimation;http://jama.jamanetwork.com/article.aspx?articleid=184107 "Conclusion This meta-analysis yielded no evidence that the serotonin transporter genotype alone or in interaction with stressful life events is associated with an elevated risk of depression in men alone, women alone, or in both sexes combined."
1029178;1424638004;assbot;JAMA Network | JAMA | Interaction Between the Serotonin Transporter Gene (5-HTTLPR), Stressful Life Events, and Risk of Depression:  A Meta-analysis ... ( http://bit.ly/1D01pXQ )
1029179;1424638024;asciilifeform;'their' job is not to explain anything, but to roll in the hookers and blow while plebes poison themselves
1029180;1424638036;asciilifeform;(expensively!)
1029181;1424638037;mircea_popescu;their job is whatever the fuck i say it is.
1029182;1424638043;mircea_popescu;let's not get over ourselves here.
1029183;1424638073;asciilifeform;whatever the fuck i say it is >> can that be wearing-zip-tie? though hydraulic chopper has its attractions
1029184;1424638093;asciilifeform;because their current job - meh
1029185;1424638110;mircea_popescu;first they gotta fail. then internalise it. then despair.
1029186;1424638113;mircea_popescu;only THEN.
1029187;1424638135;asciilifeform;not already failed ?
1029188;1424638140;mircea_popescu;it's bad policy to kill people before they're completely squeezed of any possible anguish they could provide for themsleves.
1029189;1424638149;mircea_popescu;yes we're in between 1 and 2, working on 2 atm.
1029190;1424638151;decimation;^above paper implies that treating depression by attempting to inhibit serotonin is useless
1029191;1424638224;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-06-2014#722630
1029192;1424638224;assbot;Logged on 18-06-2014 00:36:44; asciilifeform: interestingly, sometimes the pharma folks fail: they spent some years trying to cough up a dopamine reuptake inhibitor that doesn't reduce to a synthetic cocaine, and, afaik, gave up
1029193;1424638249;decimation;asciilifeform: maybe they read #b-a for research 'ideas'
1029194;1424638250;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-06-2014#723978
1029195;1424638250;assbot;Logged on 18-06-2014 22:56:07; asciilifeform: you can get 'real' dopamine reuptake inhibitors - but in dark alley, not pharmacy.
1029196;1424638289;asciilifeform;the entire american 'antidepressant' tech is a bizarre tour of the protestant mental pathology of 'mustn't have too much fun'
1029197;1424638318;decimation;and yet, tomorrow millions of us inhabitants will be dispensed their placebos
1029198;1424638320;asciilifeform;the pyre on which these defectives have been burning more or less whole planet for 200 yrs
1029199;1424638321;danielpbarron;isn't caffeine such a thing?
1029200;1424638363;asciilifeform;the engineering spec, not written anywhere, is 'drug must make patient less apt to complain but oughtn't be detectably pleasurable'
1029201;1424638392;asciilifeform;hence the preference for handing out sedatives and drugs with sedative side effect profile
1029202;1424638393;mircea_popescu;danielpbarron nah, caffeine works as a general stimulant
1029203;1424638421;decimation;if caffeine were unknown and sudden discovered yesterday, it would be banned by the fda
1029204;1424638434;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform pretty much the best way to indict anything in the anglotard space is 'but it's enjoyable"
1029205;1424638439;*;danielpbarron sips his tea
1029206;1424638446;asciilifeform;decimation: much as cathenone (similar naturally occurring item) was
1029207;1424638595;decimation;http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2014-09-11/-magic-mushrooms-help-smokers-kick-habit-in-small-study
1029208;1424638597;assbot;Magic Mushrooms Help Smokers Kick Habit in Small Study - Bloomberg Business ... ( http://bit.ly/1D03tih )
1029209;1424638615;asciilifeform;http://cryptome.org/2015/02/prz-pk-1992.htm
1029210;1424638616;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1D03xig )
1029211;1424638627;asciilifeform;^ revoked in '10, interestingly
1029212;1424638776;asciilifeform;http://cryptome.org/2015/02/jane-doe-3-v-dershowitz.pdf << entirely unrelated mega-lol
1029213;1424638796;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo ^^^ can you comment on this drama ?
1029214;1424638862;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10758 @ 0.00037076 = 3.9886 BTC [-]
1029215;1424638923;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 114842 @ 0.0003776 = 43.3643 BTC [+] {2} 
1029216;1424639075;asciilifeform;http://www.wsj.com/articles/alan-m-dershowitz-a-nightmare-of-false-accusation-that-could-happen-to-you-1421280860 << other side of the story
1029217;1424639077;assbot;      Alan M. Dershowitz: A Nightmare of False Accusation That Could Happen to You - WSJ     ... ( http://bit.ly/1D058Ve )
1029218;1424639088;ben_vulpes;https://registry.hub.docker.com/u/yunojuno/dev/dockerfile/
1029219;1424639089;assbot;yunojuno/dev Repository | Docker Hub Registry - Repositories of Docker Images ... ( http://bit.ly/1D059Zj )
1029220;1424639107;ben_vulpes;"the approved method of installing rvm simply causes too many issues"
1029221;1424639119;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: what's that do ?
1029222;1424639267;asciilifeform;cathenone << there is a catha edulis in the u.s. national botanical garden. i saw it many times with own eyes. but, iirc, they don't have a cannabis sativa or any other 'forbidden fruit'
1029223;1424639335;ben_vulpes;asciilifeform: you're familiar with the "hot" "trend" of "containerization" in the linux space?
1029224;1424639343;asciilifeform;vm?
1029225;1424639362;ben_vulpes;i honestly don't know what the technical difference between VMs and containerization is.
1029226;1424639368;ben_vulpes;feels like a poor man's jail.
1029227;1424639404;ben_vulpes;anyways, best as I can tell, the thing forgoes the entire ruby "version management" stack and installs some version of ruby.
1029228;1424639413;asciilifeform;does the item running inside think it is on a genuine machine of its own ?
1029229;1424639424;ben_vulpes;more or less, yes.
1029230;1424639437;ben_vulpes;there are various and sundry privilege escalations and container escapes available, however.
1029231;1424639468;asciilifeform;quite a few escapes for various vm have been found
1029232;1424639474;asciilifeform;and this is only those that have been found.
1029233;1424639491;asciilifeform;(interested folks - straight to the literature)
1029234;1424639672;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform all the drama of divource court, now for internet consumption.
1029235;1424639678;mircea_popescu;because hey, running out of cheap material.
1029236;1424639700;asciilifeform;interesting only for the jurist/procedural quirks featured
1029237;1424639837;mircea_popescu;only funny thing to me is that the anal children (they self identify as "radical" something or the other) actually have the unmitigated audacity to challenge the old ny jew.
1029238;1424639841;decimation;asciilifeform: every time I went into the botanical garden I got terrible allergies
1029239;1424639867;asciilifeform;decimation: guaranteed!
1029240;1424639885;mircea_popescu;at least it's rather clear how exactly they plan to organise the exchange of power.
1029241;1424639895;mircea_popescu;tbh gorbachev & co set had better strat, but anyway
1029242;1424639901;asciilifeform;wai wat
1029243;1424639922;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform what do you think this is other than politburo change of guard ?
1029244;1424639934;asciilifeform;ah then ancient sop
1029245;1424639936;asciilifeform;clinton, etc
1029246;1424639943;asciilifeform;sn0re.
1029247;1424639988;asciilifeform;new guard - same as old
1029248;1424640002;asciilifeform;if i understand correctly.
1029249;1424640016;thestringpuller;asciilifeform: it's all a gulag for your mind.
1029250;1424640018;decimation;http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/clintons-raised-nearly-2-billion-for-foundation-since-2001/2015/02/18/b8425d88-a7cd-11e4-a7c2-03d37af98440_story.html
1029251;1424640019;assbot;Clintons’ foundation has raised nearly $2 billion — and some key questions - The Washington Post ... ( http://bit.ly/1D08Del )
1029252;1424640037;decimation;^old guard has a strategy too
1029253;1424640086;mircea_popescu;decimation unless they come out with "poor young girls are for the fucking', it does NOT have a strategy.
1029254;1424640113;mircea_popescu;the only correct strategy in this situation is what the chinese did : round all the opposition up, shave their heads, parade them naked with legends.
1029255;1424640122;decimation;what about 'we can raise $x bil from old men in the UAE
1029256;1424640131;mircea_popescu;money is worthless without power.
1029257;1424640229;mircea_popescu;this is why we regularly succeed where cardboard fiat "billionaires" fail.
1029258;1424640271;asciilifeform;'fail' seems to come with peculiarly much physical security and ample hookers&blow supply in that case
1029259;1424640291;mircea_popescu;you have seen this ?
1029260;1424640310;mircea_popescu;apparently there were no hookers "anywhere in sight" and the blow was from a sandblaster.
1029261;1424640324;asciilifeform;can't say that saw alive. but i also haven't seen them sitting in rags covering their gangrenous limbs in the street, begging for coin
1029262;1424640326;mircea_popescu;i have declaration at the ready : "In a statement accompanying the court filing, Mr. Dershowitz said the encounters could not have occurred for several reasons, including the one time he had visited Mr. Epstein�s house in New Mexico. The house was still under construction, and Mr. Dershowitz said he had stayed for about an hour. He was accompanied, he said, by his wife and daughter and another couple."
1029263;1424640344;asciilifeform;instead i see them in the washington volkischer beobachter
1029264;1424640351;mircea_popescu;with coke ?
1029265;1424640385;asciilifeform;i can't see their cocks either
1029266;1424640389;asciilifeform;but know they're in the pants
1029267;1424640398;asciilifeform;don't need to see it, no ?
1029268;1424640423;mircea_popescu;depends. if you don't discuss anything related to cocks, it doesn't matter. you don't know anything, but you also don't care.
1029269;1424640432;mircea_popescu;would you hire them for your gay porn studio, sight unseen ?
1029270;1424640437;mircea_popescu;"o but i knew cocks in pants" ?
1029271;1424640468;asciilifeform;in press devoted to the subject, the lives of the kleptocrats can be seen - islands, castles, idiot 'foundations', etc
1029272;1424640480;asciilifeform;(must confess i'm not up to date on this literature)
1029273;1424640511;asciilifeform;ask a female usian
1029274;1424640535;mircea_popescu;i think your summaries may have deceived you.
1029275;1424640541;asciilifeform;not out of the question
1029276;1424640672;decimation;mircea_popescu: are you asserting that these islands and castles don't exist?  or that they are ultimately worthless baubles?
1029277;1424640692;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15400 @ 0.00037784 = 5.8187 BTC [+]
1029278;1424640881;mircea_popescu;i am asserting that they're for actually powerful men (such as, russian billionaires) not for american aparatards.
1029279;1424640908;mircea_popescu;when someone as high up as a four star general dares do as much as get a meaningless title for an old ugly she-horse, he gets beheaded for it.
1029280;1424640924;mircea_popescu;what hookers ? what blow ?
1029281;1424640949;asciilifeform;beheaded the day he did it? week later? or when superior ordered it for unrelated reason.
1029282;1424640963;mircea_popescu;you think there exists a meta-usg that enjoys life like there exists a meta-nsa that enjoys thinking ?
1029283;1424640968;asciilifeform;aha
1029284;1424640974;mircea_popescu;it's a bureaucracy, not a fucking world. they don't have most things.
1029285;1424641001;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform that woman doesn't look like what the average brothel goer would consider.
1029286;1424641001;asciilifeform;but what do the folks with unaccountable $maxint in bank, whose names never appear in the beobachter, do with their time ?
1029287;1424641012;asciilifeform;pull own cock ?
1029288;1424641014;decimation;heh.  well, the world of official usg is quite different from the world of finance for which usg provides a krysha
1029289;1424641015;mircea_popescu;he only went with her for EXACTLY the same problem you were describing for yourself earlier,
1029290;1424641016;asciilifeform;and if so - why ?
1029291;1424641021;mircea_popescu;but somehow magically are unaware it's not limited to you.
1029292;1424641038;mircea_popescu;where the fuck is he going to find the wot that'll get him the 19 yo hussies that love being fucked in public ?
1029293;1424641054;asciilifeform;it only exists for me because all i can personally bankroll is a plane ticket but not any of what comes after
1029294;1424641056;asciilifeform;but - them ?
1029295;1424641058;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25630 @ 0.00036989 = 9.4803 BTC [-]
1029296;1424641060;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform yes, they pull on their own cock. what do you do with your own time ? blow much ?
1029297;1424641094;asciilifeform;correct if i'm thick, but $maxint will buy a whore or two ?
1029298;1424641100;asciilifeform;of whatever octane grade
1029299;1424641118;asciilifeform;without having to bid
1029300;1424641124;asciilifeform;as in, let it be known that you have $maxint
1029301;1424641129;mircea_popescu;no, it will not.
1029302;1424641137;mircea_popescu;20 bucks buys a whore or two. depends for whom.
1029303;1424641146;asciilifeform;they aren't all old men
1029304;1424641155;mircea_popescu;really.
1029305;1424641167;asciilifeform;(do whores now forgo old men? who even goes to whores now?)
1029306;1424641177;decimation;http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/03/12/spitzer-prostitute-detail_n_91116.html
1029307;1424641180;assbot;Spitzer Prostitute Details: $80,000 Spent, Mood Music, Multiple Prostitutes, Up To A Decade Of Use And An Ever-Present Security Detail ... ( http://bit.ly/1D0cZCf )
1029308;1424641208;asciilifeform;there we go.
1029309;1424641212;asciilifeform;herr spitzer's whore.
1029310;1424641229;decimation;he paid a couple $k per night apparently
1029311;1424641241;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 175070 @ 0.00035994 = 63.0147 BTC [-] {4} 
1029312;1424641254;mircea_popescu;pics ?
1029313;1424641260;mircea_popescu;you know how this goes, right ?
1029314;1424641284;mircea_popescu;or what, we suddenly have memory hole effect, we forgot about all the lies in filings, starting with the "confiscated btc" that never existed ?
1029315;1424641286;asciilifeform;http://www.thesmokinggun.com/documents/crime/photos-eliot-spitzers-hooker
1029316;1424641287;assbot;Photos Of Eliot Spitzer's Hooker | The Smoking Gun ... ( http://bit.ly/1D0dyMl )
1029317;1424641288;asciilifeform;^ supposed
1029318;1424641322;*;asciilifeform wasn't there, didn't see him fuck
1029319;1424641325;decimation;lol she had a myspace page
1029320;1424641328;mircea_popescu;notbad.jpg
1029321;1424641369;asciilifeform;spitzer et al probably account for lion's share of my mental picture of usg elite
1029322;1424641397;thestringpuller;"Meet 'Kristen,' the 22-year-old woman who brought down the governor" << LOL so dramatic
1029323;1424641410;asciilifeform;and yes, everyone knows that below each spitzer there are 100,000 faceless shmucks who go home to cry in beer
1029324;1424641433;asciilifeform;and fuck dolls
1029325;1424641461;thestringpuller;^- is this america now?!?
1029326;1424641486;decimation;https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ashley_Alexandra_Dupr%C3%A9 < now she works for google (youtube)
1029327;1424641488;assbot;Ashley Alexandra Dupré - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ... ( http://bit.ly/1D0efoK )
1029328;1424641489;asciilifeform;from the other side of the pond, it is known with some certainty that brezhnev had not only all of the racing cars he could wish for, but gurlz whenever he could still get it up
1029329;1424641537;jurov;http://www.prezidentpress.ru/news/2762-sto-let-nazad-rossiya-i-kitay-sozdali-frs-ssha.html ... i stumble on such nutritional stuff recently
1029330;1424641539;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1D0en7L )
1029331;1424641540;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform this is not the important point.
1029332;1424641546;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 37560 @ 0.00037784 = 14.1917 BTC [+]
1029333;1424641559;mircea_popescu;the important point is that should anyone have had as much as anything at all to say about it, he'd be cutting ice in front of the lenin icebreaker
1029334;1424641562;jurov;apparently tsar nicholas arranged a business with lincoln
1029335;1424641579;jurov;and borrowed 1000 tons of gold to that purpose
1029336;1424641588;ben_vulpes;re "brought down the governor", kitzhaber had one of these recently: http://www.wweek.com/portland/blog-32827-gov_john_kitzhabers_office_sought_to_destroy_thous.html
1029337;1424641589;assbot;Gov. John Kitzhaber's Office Sought To Destroy Thousands of His Emails ... ( http://bit.ly/1D0etMJ )
1029338;1424641600;decimation;jurov: is that why the tsar sold alaska for a pittance?
1029339;1424641600;jurov;but rothshilds stole it and caused general havoc
1029340;1424641610;jurov;alaska is not mentioned
1029341;1424641613;ben_vulpes;he also ran his personal emails through state servers.
1029342;1424641628;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: actually, disgraced soviet bureaucrats (usually posthumous - see hruschev's speech re: l. beria) had 'rapacious daily rapist' tags nailed on
1029343;1424641638;mircea_popescu;right.
1029344;1424641641;asciilifeform;with juicy tabloid-grade legends told via official microphones
1029345;1424641642;mircea_popescu;but the timing is allimportant.
1029346;1424641654;decimation;or they were disappeared from pictures right
1029347;1424641660;asciilifeform;same timing here. herr spitzer was defrocked, out come the rape stories
1029348;1424641665;asciilifeform;or equiv.
1029349;1424641672;mircea_popescu;i dunno...
1029350;1424641719;asciilifeform;jurov taken to reading ru tabloids regularly ?
1029351;1424641747;jurov;i keep getting fed them via facebook
1029352;1424641752;asciilifeform;l0l
1029353;1424641772;mircea_popescu;he's preparing for the great progress.
1029354;1424641773;asciilifeform;jurov's facebook full of dyspeptic middle aged ru folks ?
1029355;1424641793;jurov;no.
1029356;1424641798;decimation;jurov clicked "like" on "putin please don't invade slovenia"?
1029357;1424641801;jurov;it's starry eyed putinjugend
1029358;1424641809;mircea_popescu;ahahaha
1029359;1424641829;mircea_popescu;actual people or just fb dead souls ?
1029360;1424641841;jurov;actual ppl
1029361;1424641847;asciilifeform;jurov: those have own publications, normally, full of meticulously chromed rockets of various shapes
1029362;1424641880;asciilifeform;in one of these, it was recently claimed that БЖРК is back
1029363;1424641895;asciilifeform;(railroad-based nuke-thrower)
1029364;1424641911;asciilifeform;https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/f/f6/%D0%91%D0%BE%D0%B5%D0%B2%D0%BE%D0%B9_%D0%B6%D0%B5%D0%BB%D0%B5%D0%B7%D0%BD%D0%BE%D0%B4%D0%BE%D1%80%D0%BE%D0%B6%D0%BD%D1%8B%D0%B9_%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%BA%D0%B5%D1%82%D0%BD%D1%8B%D0%B9_%D0%BA%D0%BE%D0%BC%D0%BF%D0%BB%D0%B5%D0%BA%D1%81_%D0%91%D0%96%D0%A0%D0%9A_15%D0%9F961_%D0%9C%D0%BE%D0%BB%D0%BE%D0%B4%D0%B5%D1%86_(2)_-_edited.jpg << the classic
1029365;1424641916;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/18eYEKy )
1029366;1424641934;asciilifeform;^ can't see in this shot, but the middle car has eight axles instead of the usual four
1029367;1424641939;asciilifeform;135t.
1029368;1424641955;decimation;asciilifeform: I never figured out why these went out of fashion
1029369;1424641971;asciilifeform;still would've bent the rails if there were not a clever system of springs to spread weight to adjacent cars
1029370;1424641991;asciilifeform;decimation: they didn't. usa spent $maxint trying to copy, but then changed their mind when realized they have scarcely any railroads
1029371;1424642011;jurov;hehe
1029372;1424642020;asciilifeform;so instead they went to ru after the ussr croaked and ordered these things sawed apart on camera
1029373;1424642033;asciilifeform;'93-98
1029374;1424642036;decimation;asciilifeform: yeah sounds legit
1029375;1424642077;decimation;actually usa has plenty of railroads, but none of them are open for usg to roam freely
1029376;1424642088;asciilifeform;there is a legend, based on released usg docs of reasonable plausibility, that usg knew where the trains were at various times by sneaking neutron counters into passenger/cargo rail
1029377;1424642125;asciilifeform;open for usg to roam freely << the rocket train was disguised (thinly) as a cargo train and went on ordinary rail
1029378;1424642131;asciilifeform;mixed freely with usual trains
1029379;1424642186;asciilifeform;http://lenta.ru/news/2014/12/26/barguzin << the new model is claimed to use a smaller rocket and be externally identical to a passenger car
1029380;1424642187;assbot;Lenta.ru: Силовые структуры: Вооруженные силы: Первые «ракетные поезда» встанут на дежурство после 2018 года ... ( http://bit.ly/1D0gyrV )
1029381;1424642194;asciilifeform;(smaller but same range, claimed.)
1029382;1424642210;asciilifeform;lighter payload.
1029383;1424642282;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 45100 @ 0.00039549 = 17.8366 BTC [+]
1029384;1424642325;asciilifeform;http://lenta.ru/articles/2015/02/20/fskn << ru closes their equivalent of u.s. DEA on mar 1.
1029385;1424642326;assbot;Статьи: Lenta.ru: Силовые структуры: Полиция и спецслужбы: Есть ли будущее у госнаркоконтроля ... ( http://bit.ly/1D0gWH1 )
1029386;1424642328;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform> decimation: they didn't. usa spent $maxint trying to copy, but then changed their mind when realized they have scarcely any railroads << so lulzy this.
1029387;1424642343;asciilifeform;official story was 'budget overrun'
1029388;1424642350;mircea_popescu;"most civilised country in the civilised world, has no railroads and most of demographics replenishment comes out of cosanguine marriages"
1029389;1424642363;mircea_popescu;"welcome to 1700, you're doing pretty well!"
1029390;1424642367;asciilifeform;comes from south of border, actually
1029391;1424642373;asciilifeform;so not even 1700 state of the art
1029392;1424642373;decimation;if you look at any map of the us circa 1880 or earlier all you see are railroads
1029393;1424642378;mircea_popescu;that's exogenous. i was talking endogenous
1029394;1424642379;decimation;then if you look at maps over time, the railroads disappear roughly 1940, to be replaced with national highways
1029395;1424642389;asciilifeform;endogenous - from the rookeries
1029396;1424642468;decimation;http://www.techbastard.com/missile/peacekeeper/railcar.php
1029397;1424642469;assbot;Peacekeeper Missile Rail Garrison Car ... ( http://bit.ly/1D0hrAZ )
1029398;1424642482;asciilifeform;aha it
1029399;1424642648;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 68713 @ 0.00039558 = 27.1815 BTC [+] {2} 
1029400;1424642709;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8287 @ 0.00040197 = 3.3311 BTC [+]
1029401;1424642850;danielpbarron;the train around where i live only exists because of subsidies; it's stupidly inexpensive to ride, and yet most people still prefer their cars
1029402;1424642984;danielpbarron;when i had an office job, i used the train to commute; the monthly pass cost ~120 USD and I didn't even have to pay this; my employer got money from the state for covering this cost -- probably some misguided attempt to protect the environment or cut down on traffic
1029403;1424643158;chetty;US transport is horridly set up, people prefer cars cause train and bus stations are in bad locations with no useful taxi service
1029404;1424643198;ben_vulpes;i do love the pubtrans in my socialist paradise.
1029405;1424643227;danielpbarron;i was within biking distance at both ends -- luck i guess
1029406;1424643240;ben_vulpes;what is biking distance anyways?
1029407;1424643243;ben_vulpes;.5 mi?
1029408;1424643245;ben_vulpes;2 mi?
1029409;1424643248;ben_vulpes;people are fucking lazy.
1029410;1424643253;danielpbarron;5 to 10 minutes
1029411;1424643269;danielpbarron;it was actually a 10 to 20 minute walk on one of the ends
1029412;1424643322;ben_vulpes;re submaring/aircraftcarrier thread: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pBi0LqgwrH8
1029413;1424643323;assbot;Marvel's The Avengers - Clip: Helicarrier (2012) | HD - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/18f0B9Q )
1029414;1424643385;chetty;oh and us has lack of sidewalks too, half the time you cant walk without risking life on roadsides
1029415;1424643456;danielpbarron;in CT you run the risk of getting harassed by COPS for daring to take a walk somewhere
1029416;1424643475;danielpbarron;walking ~= homeless
1029417;1424643506;danielpbarron;if you want to avoid suspicion, wear yoga pants and jog
1029418;1424643508;mircea_popescu;nuts.
1029419;1424643563;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 122485 @ 0.00040282 = 49.3394 BTC [+] {3} 
1029420;1424643587;thestringpuller;danielpbarron: Only the homeless would be willing to brave the snow to walk somewhere...
1029421;1424643685;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3000 @ 0.00040641 = 1.2192 BTC [+]
1029422;1424643709;mircea_popescu;!up Ginux
1029423;1424645399;mats;https://blog.filippo.io/komodia-superfish-ssl-validation-is-broken/
1029424;1424645400;assbot;Komodia/Superfish SSL Validation is broken ... ( http://bit.ly/1D9fEvY )
1029425;1424645589;mats;not so big a deal since Windows Defender is now taking care of it, but nonetheless
1029426;1424645942;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 143200 @ 0.00040675 = 58.2466 BTC [+] {2} 
1029427;1424645962;danielpbarron;mwahaha; i got the netconsole thing to work!
1029428;1424645971;danielpbarron;v.cool
1029429;1424646089;danielpbarron;i used this -> http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-02-2015#1023615
1029430;1424646089;assbot;Logged on 18-02-2015 14:56:09; nubbins`: http://blog.qnology.com/2014/07/hacking-pogoplug-v4-series-4-and-mobile.html
1029431;1424646201;danielpbarron;in the same process, I got it to boot from a memory card
1029432;1424646219;danielpbarron;and i'd like to now try using a USB3 flash drive as the datadir
1029433;1424646349;danielpbarron;the memory card is required in combination with USB3 because the thing cannot have a root filesystem on drives attached to the ports on the rear, and the usb on the top (next to the sata port) is USB2
1029434;1424646417;danielpbarron;but when the netbsd thing is ready to go, the memory card should not be necessary
1029435;1424646457;danielpbarron;and if anyone has a pogo already and doesn't want to wait, i'd say go with debian over arch; right off the bat it looks like there's no systemd with debian
1029436;1424646491;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 42815 @ 0.00040641 = 17.4004 BTC [-]
1029437;1424646574;pete_dushenski;mircea_popescu  it's not russian ye kook, it's the hammer and sickle sign << i meant this! комсомольская правда!
1029438;1424646583;pete_dushenski;hammer and sickle is... hammer and sickle
1029439;1424646604;mircea_popescu;komsomolskaya pravda /
1029440;1424646641;mircea_popescu;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Komsomolskaya_Pravda
1029441;1424646643;assbot;Komsomolskaya Pravda - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ... ( http://bit.ly/1B3v31y )
1029442;1424646659;pete_dushenski;that'd be the one
1029443;1424646660;thestringpuller;pete_dushenski: re: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=27-06-2014#735984 << from front page of bitcoin-tardland: "This project is completely open-source and I take 0 profit from it. Please note that there are more cost-effective ways of deploying full nodes and I mention that in the FAQs. This website is an experiment and an excersize on automatically deploying nodes when a certain balance is reached"
1029444;1424646778;pete_dushenski;thestringpuller mya?
1029445;1424646796;pete_dushenski;kake's code doesn't work anymore
1029446;1424646801;pete_dushenski;last time i tried it at least
1029447;1424646849;punkman;quotes from ISIS on ask.fm http://www.rferl.org/content/islamic-state-questions-askfm-western-militant-wannabes/26686817.html
1029448;1424646850;assbot;'I Want To Wage Jihad But I Don't Have A Thing To Wear' -- Western IS Wannabes Ask Burning Questions ... ( http://bit.ly/1D9m6Dg )
1029449;1424646882;pete_dushenski;reference: https://bitbucket.org/pankkake/bitcoin-node/src
1029450;1424646883;assbot;  pankkake / bitcoin-node   / source  /   — Bitbucket ... ( http://bit.ly/1D9meT1 )
1029451;1424646918;thestringpuller;pete_dushenski: ah i was referring to http://fullnode.co
1029452;1424646947;pete_dushenski;a i see they're back
1029453;1424646956;pete_dushenski;their site was down last i checked
1029454;1424646965;pete_dushenski;a whopping 66 nodes ! wowee!
1029455;1424646975;punkman;thestringpuller: when did assbot start ignoring your links
1029456;1424647023;punkman;kinda confusing to see log link without assbot spitting out the line
1029457;1424647062;thestringpuller;!gettrust kakobrekla thestringpuller
1029458;1424647064;assbot;Trust relationship from user kakobrekla to user thestringpuller: Level 1: -1, Level 2: 8 via 6 connections. | http://w.b-a.link/trust/kakobrekla/thestringpuller | http://w.b-a.link/user/thestringpuller
1029459;1424647389;asciilifeform;fullnode.co << who is not with us, is against us.
1029460;1424647408;asciilifeform;(TM)
1029461;1424647427;pete_dushenski;there's no shortage of that "in bitcoin"
1029462;1424647452;asciilifeform;also wtf with calling a vps fakecomputer 'full node'
1029463;1424647479;asciilifeform;may as well run one node and give it 10,000 spam ip addrs
1029464;1424647522;thestringpuller;Blow up the datacenter, good bye nodes.
1029465;1424647530;asciilifeform;also didn't that thing appear around the same time as 'fakenode' (?) was published ?
1029466;1424647532;asciilifeform;pseudonode.
1029467;1424647545;thestringpuller;i think fullnode is a little older than pseudonode
1029468;1424647557;pete_dushenski;o what words mean things now ?
1029469;1424647558;asciilifeform;is it having any sizeable listing older than pseudonode ?
1029470;1424647575;thestringpuller;it was before pankakke ragequit?
1029471;1424647590;asciilifeform;speaking of, anyone know what became of herr pankkake ?
1029472;1424647618;pete_dushenski;he's been even quiter than thickasthieves
1029473;1424647630;asciilifeform;and did anyone ever come up with a logical explanation for his rage ?
1029474;1424647632;pete_dushenski;tat still seems to do the twitter thing
1029475;1424647657;pete_dushenski;asciilifeform ya, he didn't like the flavour of punch we were serving
1029476;1424647673;thestringpuller;asciilifeform: i think pseudonode is kinda like https://github.com/mattdiamond/fuckitjs and more of a comedy measure and not srsbsns
1029477;1424647676;*;asciilifeform observes that it is not necessary to drink the punch to enjoy the company
1029478;1424647695;pete_dushenski;but you're not french
1029479;1424647698;mats;while we're on the subject, pankkake on fullnode: http://pankkake.headfucking.net/2014/06/27/fullnode-co-is-a-scam
1029480;1424647699;assbot;Fullnode.co is a scam | pankkake ... ( http://bit.ly/1D9pFZU )
1029481;1424647700;asciilifeform;thestringpuller: pseudonode works as printed on the tin
1029482;1424647710;punkman;pseudonode also useful for DoS experiments and such
1029483;1424647728;thestringpuller;asciilifeform: still not srsbsns tho! it's a joke!
1029484;1424647747;thestringpuller;don't be kanye, nao.
1029485;1424647748;asciilifeform;the joke's on naive node counters
1029486;1424647760;thestringpuller;^- exactly that's why it's funny!
1029487;1424647984;pete_dushenski;are there non-naive node counters ? or a way to count nodes non-naively ?
1029488;1424648077;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 39150 @ 0.0004039 = 15.8127 BTC [-] {2} 
1029489;1424648443;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28190 @ 0.00040818 = 11.5066 BTC [+]
1029490;1424648453;pete_dushenski;mircea_popescu socialism is somethin you want when you're stupid, because you're stupid, and as your brain starts working you stop wanting it./ << lol so money.
1029491;1424648513;mircea_popescu;yep
1029492;1424648639;ben_vulpes;
1029493;1424648639;ben_vulpes;<asciilifeform> may as well run one node and give it 10,000 spam ip addrs << you wrecker, you!
1029494;1424648677;mircea_popescu;<asciilifeform> may as well run one node and give it 10,000 spam ip addrs << this is part of the problem, and why the 61 figure is an upper bound
1029495;1424648695;mircea_popescu;plenty of perfectly legitimately netops reasons to show the same server on multiple - and perhaps changing - ips
1029496;1424648761;mircea_popescu;!gettrust assbot pankkake
1029497;1424648762;assbot;Trust relationship from user assbot to user pankkake: Level 1: 1, Level 2: 6 via 6 connections. | http://w.b-a.link/trust/assbot/pankkake | http://w.b-a.link/user/pankkake
1029498;1424648774;mircea_popescu;apparently quitting doesn't actually do anything.
1029499;1424648789;thestringpuller;Mafia-eque
1029500;1424648837;thestringpuller;mircea_popescu: I guess if the boys still play with Cartman, despite...
1029501;1424648905;mircea_popescu;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Je-CPZRwbh8 << sheeit, apparently garbage still exists.
1029502;1424648906;assbot;Garbage - When I Grow Up - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1D9v5UK )
1029503;1424649252;mircea_popescu;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_PFTGfwJNmM << finally found the right fucking version.
1029504;1424649254;assbot;Garbage - When I Grow Up (Live) - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1D9wKdb )
1029505;1424649267;mircea_popescu;wtf is wrong with people, bowdlerisation of everytrhing everywhere all the fucking time.
1029506;1424649314;mircea_popescu;obscure grunge-pop band from wisconsin, they re-release their pre 2000 songs to sound like shit. and not sort-of like shit. actually fucking shit, audibly so. you don't even have to be an opera critic with 20 different mezzo and coloratura sopranos under your belt.
1029507;1424649340;cazalla;http://qntra.net/2015/02/bitcoin-mining-difficulty-reaches-yet-another-ath/
1029508;1424649341;assbot;Bitcoin Mining Difficulty Reaches Yet Another ATH | Qntra.net ... ( http://bit.ly/1D9x6jQ )
1029509;1424649629;pete_dushenski;go bitcoin!
1029510;1424649667;pete_dushenski;though 'ath' parses quite a bit like defunct 'atc' but that's probably just me
1029511;1424649806;ben_vulpes;or atf
1029512;1424650002;cazalla;i unno, i figured it was obvious
1029513;1424650019;cazalla;at least in the context of qntra and having used all time high and ath a few times before in qntra articles
1029514;1424650029;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9281 @ 0.00040818 = 3.7883 BTC [+]
1029515;1424650076;cazalla;pete_dushenski, don't you know that variety speak? :P
1029516;1424650113;pete_dushenski;lol still learning apparently
1029517;1424650133;pete_dushenski;which reminds me that i've been meaning to do a variety speak guide for noobs...
1029518;1424650162;pete_dushenski;it's just... there's so many goddam words and phrases
1029519;1424650172;pete_dushenski;it'd be a textbook
1029520;1424650273;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14125 @ 0.00040437 = 5.7117 BTC [-]
1029521;1424651050;cazalla;mebe ath is more a gamer thing, for example, muh dps hit an ath
1029522;1424651127;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9450 @ 0.00040818 = 3.8573 BTC [+]
1029523;1424651253;pete_dushenski;http://www.contravex.com/2015/02/22/in-defense-of-wealthy-politicians/
1029524;1424651255;assbot;In defense of wealthy politicians. | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski ... ( http://bit.ly/17oH0mz )
1029525;1424651289;pete_dushenski;that they need any defense at all should be a red flag to society
1029526;1424651432;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14800 @ 0.00040818 = 6.0411 BTC [+]
1029527;1424651676;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4034 @ 0.00040437 = 1.6312 BTC [-]
1029528;1424652425;BingoBoingo;;;bc,stats
1029529;1424652430;gribble;Current Blocks: 344740 | Current Difficulty: 4.668437631686029E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 346751 | Next Difficulty In: 2011 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 6 days, 5 hours, 31 minutes, and 34 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 44645581059.8 | Estimated Percent Change: -4.36719
1029530;1424652476;oglafbot;http://oglaf.com/rally/
1029531;1424652477;assbot;Rally 'round the white flag ... ( http://bit.ly/1AkwsQP )
1029532;1424652708;BingoBoingo;!up indiancandy1
1029533;1424652727;indiancandy1;does anyone kno anything about
1029534;1424652733;indiancandy1;bots that increase hits on utube
1029535;1424652785;BingoBoingo;I don't know much more than they apparently exist
1029536;1424653079;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 50200 @ 0.00040818 = 20.4906 BTC [+]
1029537;1424653228;cazalla;indiancandy1, can probably be had for cheap on fiverr
1029538;1424653294;cazalla;you'll also be needing a time machine to go back to 2008 for when youtube ranked videos solely on views alone
1029539;1424653618;BingoBoingo;!up aegis
1029540;1424653750;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6800 @ 0.00040818 = 2.7756 BTC [+]
1029541;1424654014;BingoBoingo;!up starzz_
1029542;1424654031;starzz_;thank you
1029543;1424654145;starzz_;if I have been everified in bitcoin-otc does that translate to bitcoin assets
1029544;1424654186;BingoBoingo;starzz_: It does with gribble, but for voice here you need to send assbot !up
1029545;1424654217;BingoBoingo;starzz_: Also you probably want to go to #freenode and request a cloak, some asshole intermittently runs a DoS bot here
1029546;1424654727;BingoBoingo;!up indiancandy1
1029547;1424654740;indiancandy1;im not doinit for utube ranking
1029548;1424654743;indiancandy1;im doing it 4
1029549;1424654745;indiancandy1;media
1029550;1424654746;indiancandy1;ahaha
1029551;1424654750;indiancandy1;i wanna do a twerk video
1029552;1424654754;indiancandy1;then di news around it
1029553;1424654759;indiancandy1;3mill hit in 3days
1029554;1424654761;indiancandy1;etc
1029555;1424654809;ben_vulpes;do it in the nude, only way to get that kind of traffic.
1029556;1424654819;indiancandy1;it wont go on thew news
1029557;1424654822;indiancandy1;media wont pick it up
1029558;1424654824;indiancandy1;if its nude
1029559;1424654824;ben_vulpes;you're competing with kim kardashian, after all.
1029560;1424654833;ben_vulpes;tell that to kim.
1029561;1424654909;indiancandy1;kim
1029562;1424654913;indiancandy1;has media on payroll
1029563;1424654914;indiancandy1;i dont
1029564;1424654929;BingoBoingo;indiancandy1: You know how she got them on payroll...
1029565;1424654959;indiancandy1;but kim initially had money
1029566;1424654961;indiancandy1;i dont
1029567;1424654971;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21800 @ 0.00040818 = 8.8983 BTC [+]
1029568;1424654996;ben_vulpes;such sexcuses.
1029569;1424654999;BingoBoingo;indiancandy1: No she didn't. Not until she made that flick with Ray J
1029570;1424655023;indiancandy1;her dad
1029571;1424655026;indiancandy1;was oj simpsons attorney
1029572;1424655037;indiancandy1;she came from a middle class family
1029573;1424655069;indiancandy1;the porn did help
1029574;1424655074;indiancandy1;she sold it for 5mill
1029575;1424655082;indiancandy1;but she had money b4
1029576;1424655083;indiancandy1;i dnt
1029577;1424655173;ben_vulpes;you gotta drop this "can't do anything cuz no money lol" attitude and focus on getting some money.
1029578;1424655186;indiancandy1;yea
1029579;1424655188;indiancandy1;but
1029580;1424655193;indiancandy1;yea
1029581;1424655196;indiancandy1;i need hits
1029582;1424655200;ben_vulpes;!b 5
1029583;1424655200;assbot;Last 5 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/2KHHJJC.txt )
1029584;1424655200;indiancandy1;so the media wil pick it
1029585;1424655210;indiancandy1;ytview chargs 6000 dollars
1029586;1424655212;danielpbarron;you are getting hits right now..
1029587;1424655215;indiancandy1;for 3million
1029588;1424655237;ben_vulpes;don't fuck around trying to get the attention of interns in tv companies, that's not going to fly.
1029589;1424655242;indiancandy1;whose on instagram btw
1029590;1424655251;ben_vulpes;go fuck a television company executive, wrap him around your finger, leverage like that.
1029591;1424655258;indiancandy1;i have a publicist
1029592;1424655261;indiancandy1;lol
1029593;1424655265;indiancandy1;but the media wont pick it up
1029594;1424655268;indiancandy1;if its not like wow
1029595;1424655274;indiancandy1;2mill hits in 3days
1029596;1424655275;indiancandy1;wow
1029597;1424655279;indiancandy1;kinda thing
1029598;1424655282;indiancandy1;unless i pay
1029599;1424655284;indiancandy1;the media
1029600;1424655288;indiancandy1;and tats costly
1029601;1424655299;danielpbarron;can you try to condense your thoughts into single lines?
1029602;1424655309;BingoBoingo;indiancandy1: Have you considered dating a rapper?
1029603;1424655319;BingoBoingo;Works for Kim
1029604;1424655429;indiancandy1;no rappers in uk
1029605;1424655458;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5961 @ 0.0004118 = 2.4547 BTC [+]
1029606;1424655540;indiancandy1;whose on instagram
1029607;1424655582;asciilifeform;pete_dushenski: wealthy politicians << u.s. folks perhaps remember perot ? interesting fella
1029608;1424655606;pete_dushenski;;;google ross perot
1029609;1424655607;gribble;Ross Perot - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ross_Perot>; H. Ross Perot - Famous Texans: <http://www.famoustexans.com/rossperot.htm>; Ross Perot - Biography - Business Leader - Biography.com: <http://www.biography.com/people/ross-perot-9438032>
1029610;1424655635;pete_dushenski;'computer billionaire'
1029611;1424655745;asciilifeform;usg billionaire
1029612;1424655768;pete_dushenski;bon soir!
1029613;1424657288;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3650 @ 0.0004118 = 1.5031 BTC [+]
1029614;1424657294;BingoBoingo;!up indiancandy1
1029615;1424657901;punkman;indiancandy1: no rappers in uk << plenty of them but they are all poor
1029616;1424657921;punkman;on the other hand, London's full of people with way too much money
1029617;1424658079;TheNewDeal;;;Bids 216.9
1029618;1424658080;gribble;Bitstamp | There are currently 4390.3307 bitcoins demanded at or over 216.9 USD, worth 993477.3393 USD in total. | Data vintage: 0.0440 seconds
1029619;1424658104;decimation;http://www.washingtonpost.com/lifestyle/magazine/just-asking-the-science-guy-bill-nye-gets-hot/2015/02/11/1e278afa-a66c-11e4-a06b-9df2002b86a0_story.html < Bill Nye identifies 'regular software writers' as kulaks "We have this top tier [of scientists] in the U.S., the people who graduated from Stanford, from Berkeley, from MIT, Cornell. Those people are still exceptional and really good. But we have this enormous gap between that and
1029620;1424658105;assbot;Just Asking: The Science Guy Bill Nye gets hot - The Washington Post ... ( http://bit.ly/1zZy9yj )
1029621;1424658105;decimation;just regular software writers
1029622;1424658107;decimation;and farmers and people that need to be scientifically literate."
1029623;1424658111;BingoBoingo;;;ticker --market all
1029624;1424658118;gribble;Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 236.5, vol: 7821.09675746 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 230.106, vol: 7852.57648 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 237.07, vol: 31142.23300928 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 235.8784, vol: 138020.38710000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 235.0, vol: 21.3968592 | Bitcoin-Central BTCUSD last: 233.964227, vol: 77.03579533 | Volume-weighted last average: 235.85934577
1029625;1424658647;TheNewDeal;;;Ticker
1029626;1424658649;gribble;Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 235.98, Best ask: 236.75, Bid-ask spread: 0.77000, Last trade: 236.88, 24 hour volume: 7857.00240715, 24 hour low: 232.48, 24 hour high: 247.0, 24 hour vwap: 237.411802714
1029627;1424658687;nubbins`;re: uboot on pogo
1029628;1424658689;mircea_popescu;indiancandy1 how goes ho!
1029629;1424658700;asciilifeform;nubbins`: hm?
1029630;1424658715;nubbins`;http://blog.qnology.com/2014/07/hacking-pogoplug-v4-series-4-and-mobile.html
1029631;1424658717;assbot;Qui's techNOLOGY Blog: Hacking the Pogoplug v4 (Series 4 and Mobile) with Linux (Debian or Arch) ... ( http://bit.ly/1zZyYqB )
1029632;1424658736;asciilifeform;nubbins`: yes, i think it was linked here a while ago
1029633;1424658778;*;asciilifeform presently investigating why netbsd does not correctly initialize sata or sd controllers
1029634;1424658826;mircea_popescu;!up dek_
1029635;1424658874;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13048 @ 0.00040876 = 5.3335 BTC [-]
1029636;1424658892;indiancandy1;hey mp bae
1029637;1424658895;indiancandy1;i miss u
1029638;1424658936;dek_;hello
1029639;1424658972;mircea_popescu;so where's your twerking vid ?
1029640;1424658978;mircea_popescu;how goes dek_
1029641;1424658988;mats;hm, i learned today you can prepend your prompt with a ':' and have a ';' at the end, it will ignore whats in between so you can just copy and paste lines right from your terminal
1029642;1424659006;danielpbarron;nubbins`, did you ever get that to work?
1029643;1424659018;nubbins`;danielpbarron yeah, it's serving up files via smb right now
1029644;1424659030;danielpbarron;oh.. but not bitcoind ?
1029645;1424659040;nubbins`;no, actually useful enough around the house that i'll need to get a second one for tinkering
1029646;1424659041;nubbins`;:/
1029647;1424659070;danielpbarron;bitcoind: /usr/lib/arm-linux-gnueabi/libstdc++.so.6: version `GLIBCXX_3.4.20' not found (required by bitcoind)
1029648;1424659075;nubbins`;well, wait now.
1029649;1424659083;nubbins`;didn't alf post some binaries to the ml?
1029650;1424659091;nubbins`;danielpbarron +1
1029651;1424659094;danielpbarron;and that's after i added a 'testing' repository to the sources list and upgraded libc
1029652;1424659107;mircea_popescu;nubbins`> no, actually useful enough around the house that i'll need to get a second one for tinkering << ahahaha
1029653;1424659120;nubbins`;XD
1029654;1424659137;BingoBoingo;!up indiancandy1
1029655;1424659150;danielpbarron;not that this is even what's gonna be used ultimately; i thought i'd just try it out real quick and it ended up becoming an obsession
1029656;1424659156;asciilifeform;danielpbarron: those were -wrong-
1029657;1424659157;nubbins`;yeah
1029658;1424659160;TheNewDeal;;;bc,stats
1029659;1424659164;gribble;Current Blocks: 344752 | Current Difficulty: 4.668437631686029E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 346751 | Next Difficulty In: 1999 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 5 days, 21 hours, 31 minutes, and 21 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 48520572098.1 | Estimated Percent Change: 3.93321
1029660;1424659167;asciilifeform;danielpbarron: use mod6's recipe for building -properly- static ones
1029661;1424659184;nubbins`;you're not trying to compile it on the pogo itself, are you?
1029662;1424659187;danielpbarron;no
1029663;1424659199;danielpbarron;i'm using the binary i cross-compiled on my gentoo machine
1029664;1424659208;nubbins`;okay, was gonna say.. 8)
1029665;1424659208;danielpbarron;the same binary that works on ArchLinux
1029666;1424659209;asciilifeform;incidentally, seems like all the bsd folks disable the cpu cache on pogo
1029667;1424659212;asciilifeform;i'd like to learn why
1029668;1424659220;asciilifeform;but see also:
1029669;1424659223;asciilifeform;!s the lifeboat mutiny
1029670;1424659224;assbot;2 results for 'the lifeboat mutiny' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=the+lifeboat+mutiny
1029671;1424659238;asciilifeform;^ on the pitfalls of reconnecting that which has been yanked
1029672;1424659273;nubbins`;...
1029673;1424659283;nubbins`;is the pitfall incomplete search results?
1029674;1424659295;nubbins`;o, wait. there we go.
1029675;1424659301;mod6;this was never actually posted publically yet. there is some very strange bjam error that doesn't allow the bash script to continue automatically. if one runs it, then you'll have to comment out the build lines for openssl, bdb, and boost and re-run.
1029676;1424659339;mod6;I can post it if you wanna use it though. the hope was to have a fixed one here by sometime next week.
1029677;1424659345;asciilifeform;post plz
1029678;1424659347;mircea_popescu;indiancandy1: but she had money b4 << girl's done her homework.
1029679;1424659369;BingoBoingo;Less than 6 months left for 0.7.2 WTF to finish syncing
1029680;1424659383;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: what machine ?
1029681;1424659400;mod6;http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=7MXmP2ba
1029682;1424659401;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1zZA5Xt )
1029683;1424659401;mircea_popescu;indiancandy1: ytview chargs 6000 dollars << you're prolly going to end up stuck around that sort of price, quarter cent per k, whatever.
1029684;1424659411;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: Pedestrian AMD powered laptop AMD E-350 CPU
1029685;1424659426;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: what's the actual transfer rate ?
1029686;1424659428;asciilifeform;on the wire
1029687;1424659441;mod6;sorry, damn hotel wireless keeps dropping me like every 90 seconds.
1029688;1424659444;danielpbarron;so is it possible that i need to recompile my bitcoind, and this debian install is just fine? and for some reason ArchLinux doesn't mind?
1029689;1424659445;asciilifeform;is it connecting preferentially to nodes in afghanistan, ip over dead goat ?
1029690;1424659455;*;mod6 is on-the-road
1029691;1424659462;asciilifeform;danielpbarron: if i had build that thing properly static, it would not be an issue
1029692;1424659465;asciilifeform;*built
1029693;1424659484;nubbins`;dgoip
1029694;1424659498;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: I honestly and humbly lack the faculties of knowledge necessary to determine such
1029695;1424659507;asciilifeform;hmm
1029696;1424659525;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: have you tried restricting it to one known-good node on the lan to sync from ?
1029697;1424659558;mircea_popescu;decimation: Bill Nye identifies 'regular software writers'  << afaik this view was never controversial. i was kinda surprised to see people react to my ocasional statement to the effect with total shock.
1029698;1424659582;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: Nope, syncing "in the wild" to make sure it can. Looking like it will be a sub 2 week sync time so happy with that
1029699;1424659587;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo et al: the way i'm thinking now, the 'sync from one node at a time' thing will have to be killed with fire before 0.5.3/pogo (or otherwise) is given to civilians
1029700;1424659591;asciilifeform;just like the memory leak
1029701;1424659599;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: Seems so
1029702;1424659600;asciilifeform;because having it there - it is just unforgivable idiocy
1029703;1424659606;mircea_popescu;myeah
1029704;1424659611;mod6;the static build script seems to exit after line 53 for some reason, haven't had time to debug. if one should figure out a workaround/fix/patch for that, that'd be much appreciated.  otherwise I can fix myself when I'm back.
1029705;1424659616;mircea_popescu;problem is... not that straughtforward fix
1029706;1424659631;asciilifeform;aha, requires sewing not only ripping
1029707;1424659637;asciilifeform;ripping - easy
1029708;1424659670;mod6;be advised that lines 4, 6 & 8 of that script need to be tuned to your local environment!
1029709;1424659674;mod6;:]
1029710;1424659675;asciilifeform;bad enough that i'm apparently chasing a low-level bit diddling bug in a sata driver for a godforsaken chip on a godforsaken os
1029711;1424659680;asciilifeform;how did i fall into such a life.
1029712;1424659702;asciilifeform;and would any of you care to do this instead
1029713;1424659731;mircea_popescu;man with young children. "how did i fall into such a life!"
1029714;1424659741;mircea_popescu;cuz you liked teh woman, foo.
1029715;1424659789;nubbins`;sadly, the cheapest pogo a canadian can land is $25usd
1029716;1424659792;nubbins`;still notu badu
1029717;1424659831;asciilifeform;nubbins`: and which one was that
1029718;1424659840;mod6;anyway, the foundation will publish a polished script sometime during the first few weeks of march.
1029719;1424659850;nubbins`;blue "mobile", no lid. ebay.
1029720;1424659853;mod6;sorry I didn't get a chance to clean that up before I left.
1029721;1424659872;nubbins`;http://www.ebay.ca/itm/Pogoplug-POGO-V4-A1-01-Mobile-for-PC-MAC-and-iPhone-iPad-/261410065617?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item3cdd410cd1#shpCntId
1029722;1424659876;assbot; Pogoplug Pogo V4 A1 01 Mobile FOR PC MAC AND Iphone Ipad 850877002290 | eBay ... ( http://bit.ly/1zZAM2U )
1029723;1424659895;nubbins`;er no removable lid
1029724;1424659911;asciilifeform;nubbins`: sata-less
1029725;1424659916;nubbins`;nod
1029726;1424659933;nubbins`;right, someone mentioned the exercise in patience i have awaiting me
1029727;1424659969;nubbins`;~$35usd for sata-ful
1029728;1424659982;asciilifeform;nubbins`: can't order from usian 'amazon' ?
1029729;1424659983;mod6;for the vi-impared, if you run the script as-is, and you hit that weird issue as I did, simply start up vi and run this
1029730;1424659986;mod6;:35,53 s/^/#/
1029731;1424659988;asciilifeform;or killer postage cost
1029732;1424659991;nubbins`;well, no, maybe the same
1029733;1424659993;mod6;then :wq and re-run the script
1029734;1424660004;nubbins`;asciilifeform most electronic items simply do not offer a checkout button for canadians
1029735;1424660005;danielpbarron;what is shipping from US to CA?
1029736;1424660019;nubbins`;danielpbarron insanely cheap for everything but electronics.
1029737;1424660028;asciilifeform;i've never had problems getting items from ca
1029738;1424660032;nubbins`;phun phact, we order most of our paper from brooklyn
1029739;1424660033;danielpbarron;how would they know?
1029740;1424660047;danielpbarron;i mean from me to you
1029741;1424660048;nubbins`;how would the shippers know?
1029742;1424660050;nubbins`;o.
1029743;1424660059;nubbins`;the customs form, i guess
1029744;1424660079;nubbins`;i don't think there's any special duty or anything, just american electronics websites usually charge limbs to .ca
1029745;1424660106;nubbins`;you mailing me ten packaged pogos would raise eyebrows at customs
1029746;1424660107;danielpbarron;eh, unless you're getting more than one it's probably not worth it anyway for just 15 bucks
1029747;1424660118;nubbins`;yeah
1029748;1424660123;mircea_popescu;so i'm banning both clam shitcoin and cryptsy from bitbet. anyone want to argue either ?
1029749;1424660135;mod6;last note: this is all predicated on the fact that one would have run the v0.0.8 perl script to patch the R.I.  So you might need to alter line 62 to point to the correct bitcoin build directory.
1029750;1424660148;nubbins`;it really is only like another $8 for the purple logo'd one, hey?
1029751;1424660159;danielpbarron;yes
1029752;1424660164;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu> so i'm banning both clam shitcoin and cryptsy from bitbet. anyone want to argue either ? << Surprised Cryptsy didn't hit the shitlist earlier
1029753;1424660170;asciilifeform;what even was it...
1029754;1424660175;nubbins`;i feel like i have a sata drive from my last laptop somewhere
1029755;1424660176;mircea_popescu;me too. i guess nobody cared.
1029756;1424660179;nubbins`;it drank a beer
1029757;1424660231;danielpbarron;that's the idea / that most people probably have a harddrive they can rip out of an old laptop
1029758;1424660256;nubbins`;danielpbarron in fact, if i order two pogos on ebay, it automatically adds import charges
1029759;1424660263;nubbins`;one pogo, no charges
1029760;1424660281;nubbins`;dem regulations
1029761;1424660297;asciilifeform;danielpbarron: that was precisely why i wanted the sata feature, yes
1029762;1424660298;danielpbarron;how much would 2 cost you?
1029763;1424660325;nubbins`;overall slightly cheaper per unit than ordering one
1029764;1424660336;danielpbarron;even with the extra charge?
1029765;1424660346;nubbins`;added import charges, marginally higher shipping cost
1029766;1424660346;nubbins`;yep
1029767;1424660368;danielpbarron;fwiw, my profession is shipping/recieving
1029768;1424660384;danielpbarron;specifically LTL
1029769;1424660394;mircea_popescu;haha cool.
1029770;1424660435;*;BingoBoingo sees need for WoT endorsed BTC courier service. If in 2 years does not exist and BTCexchange rate/Qntra workload stabilizes may consider
1029771;1424660460;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12250 @ 0.0004118 = 5.0446 BTC [+]
1029772;1424660480;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: might be one of those 'requires fortress' things
1029773;1424660486;mircea_popescu;danielpbarron srsly, mayhap make a business out of it ? btc clearance warehouse
1029774;1424660499;danielpbarron;i had that idea last year
1029775;1424660506;mircea_popescu;"ship me anything you want, ask for anything you want"
1029776;1424660514;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: Right. Obstacle is pricing drug fucks out of service.
1029777;1424660526;mircea_popescu;add a storage service to it, etc.
1029778;1424660543;mircea_popescu;"leaving the us to go chase the republic ? ship me your shit. ill store or sell it"
1029779;1424660564;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo wot only.
1029780;1424660579;asciilifeform;bitmule
1029781;1424660617;nubbins`;danielpbarron hmm
1029782;1424660634;nubbins`;what can we work out here :D
1029783;1424660647;mircea_popescu;!up dek_
1029784;1424660809;BingoBoingo;mod6: You know once 0.5.3.x stabilizes there's probably an opportunity for driving utilization by submitting it to various *BSD Ports trees as bitcoind-LTS
1029785;1424660822;nubbins`;:o
1029786;1424660849;mircea_popescu;implying anyone but us uses bsd
1029787;1424660855;asciilifeform;^l0l
1029788;1424660889;BingoBoingo;Well, appliance use of various BSD's is not uncommon
1029789;1424660907;mircea_popescu;right.
1029790;1424660916;asciilifeform;i can already picture 'teh phyootur' where the ada-on-bare-metal meta-foundation(tm) is laughing at us
1029791;1424660940;mircea_popescu;how ? we'd just join.
1029792;1424660942;BingoBoingo;Old desktop + OpenBSD pf = loadbalancer sort of thing/
1029793;1424660953;*;asciilifeform joins
1029794;1424660959;BingoBoingo;!up indiancandy1
1029795;1424660999;BingoBoingo;<asciilifeform> i can already picture 'teh phyootur' where the ada-on-bare-metal meta-foundation(tm) is laughing at us << Irony of USG sponsored Ada saving the world from C is delicious
1029796;1424661018;asciilifeform;earlier usg
1029797;1424661062;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: Not so much earlier as to be alien or ancient. I mean they were propping up dementia guy from the TV ads as a figurehead
1029798;1424661062;asciilifeform;(also can talk about att being every bit as 'usg' as any ministry, at the time of being a national telecom megamonopoly)
1029799;1424661079;mircea_popescu;gunnery sargeant  hartmann usg
1029800;1424661171;asciilifeform;orwell more or less spot on - nothing happened in the 20th c. except as nominally decreed in some mega-empire or other
1029801;1424661192;mircea_popescu;like btc.
1029802;1424661200;asciilifeform;in the loose sense where what happened at bell had anything to do with the throne
1029803;1424661207;mircea_popescu;o sorry you said 20th
1029804;1424661210;asciilifeform;20th!
1029805;1424661506;asciilifeform;https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/fa.netbsd.tech.kern/8K8OcXVxyXM
1029806;1424661508;assbot;Google Discussiegroepen ... ( http://bit.ly/1JB24aY )
1029807;1424661516;asciilifeform;^ what i'm seeing with my entire collection of sata drives
1029808;1424661527;asciilifeform;netbsd is unusable unless+until this is fixed
1029809;1424661530;asciilifeform;on pogo.
1029810;1424661581;BingoBoingo;!up hanbot
1029811;1424661585;BingoBoingo;!up paxtoncamaro91
1029812;1424661685;indiancandy1;im watchin a movie
1029813;1424661690;indiancandy1;rocknrola
1029814;1424661802;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 42461 @ 0.00041362 = 17.5627 BTC [+] {3} 
1029815;1424661802;[]bot;Bet created: "BTC to top $413 before Songkran" http://bitbet.us/bet/1122/
1029816;1424661907;[]bot;Bet placed: 2.5 BTC for No on "BTC to top $413 before Songkran" http://bitbet.us/bet/1122/ Odds: 1(Y):99(N) by coin, 1(Y):99(N) by weight. Total bet: 2.6 BTC. Current weight: 99,998.
1029817;1424662251;mircea_popescu;http://thelastpsychiatrist.com/2007/11/the_question_isnt_why_do_babie.html#c039912
1029818;1424662252;assbot;The Last Psychiatrist: The Question Isn't Why Do Babies Do It ... ( http://bit.ly/1EGMVyh )
1029819;1424662309;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: Ah, no those books aren't albums. Just pulp. Titles on the spines look great on the bookshelf though. Cover art isn't bad either
1029820;1424662370;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: wtf, i'd fail this test even now. who's to say that 'climber' is really being 'helped' by being pushed up
1029821;1424662384;asciilifeform;and this is supposed to be clear to a baby ?
1029822;1424662389;mircea_popescu;it's fucking stupid is whjat it is
1029823;1424662395;ben_vulpes;y'r thinkin too hard, alf
1029824;1424662397;asciilifeform;it's rubbish
1029825;1424662397;mircea_popescu;it IS clear to a baby, but only because babies are retards.
1029826;1424662401;asciilifeform;unadulterated rubbish
1029827;1424662402;ben_vulpes;it's supposed to validate the underlying thesis.
1029828;1424662422;mircea_popescu;this neoprotestant platonic pedophilia is outright obscene
1029829;1424662435;mircea_popescu;ESPECIALLY in the context of how agitated they are about fucking children.
1029830;1424662620;nubbins`;why did this guy stop updating his blog
1029831;1424662649;BingoBoingo;http://thelastpsychiatrist.com/2012/11/hipsters_on_food_stamps.html
1029832;1424662652;assbot;The Last Psychiatrist: Hipsters On Food Stamps, Part 1 ... ( http://bit.ly/1JB5p9Z )
1029833;1424662659;mircea_popescu;alf's forced theory is that he got paid infinity whores & blows to run all the meta-usg
1029834;1424662677;nubbins`;how pedestrian an end
1029835;1424662679;mircea_popescu;even if that happened... he's not actually good enough.
1029836;1424662710;asciilifeform;nah gewagenen
1029837;1424662716;mircea_popescu;no wai.
1029838;1424662734;nubbins`;prolly got fed up and moved to the woods
1029839;1424662736;mircea_popescu;listen, there's not that much hr available. given your other beliefs you are required to believe he's the lizard hitler now.
1029840;1424662738;nubbins`;i wonder what book /he/ took
1029841;1424662758;mircea_popescu;nubbins` shaw
1029842;1424662820;BingoBoingo;https://www.michaelwlucas.com/autobiography/the-porn-star
1029843;1424662822;assbot;The Porn Star « Michael W Lucas ... ( http://bit.ly/1JB5Wsy )
1029844;1424662822;asciilifeform;neh, his reptilian majesty is too pumped on meth and playing 'space invaders' with live gurlz to be tlp
1029845;1424662833;mircea_popescu;orly.
1029846;1424662838;mircea_popescu;guy admits to being a drunk...
1029847;1424662864;asciilifeform;stalins don't drink. only yeltsins drink
1029848;1424662872;asciilifeform;or at least, take to drink
1029849;1424662873;BingoBoingo;<mircea_popescu> guy admits to being a drunk... << Most drunks do. Drunks are braggarts.
1029850;1424662898;mircea_popescu;notice that there's no space for lizard hitler being any kind of stalin.
1029851;1424662968;BingoBoingo;!up indiancandy1
1029852;1424662969;asciilifeform;but sure, the lizarditude of the observable universe is a bit much to fit in a man-sized bucket. sorta like the apparent limit to achievable magnetic field density..
1029853;1424663028;indiancandy1;im buyin 1000 instagram followers
1029854;1424663032;indiancandy1;for 5 dollars
1029855;1424663050;asciilifeform;indiancandy1: why?!
1029856;1424663060;asciilifeform;indiancandy1: at least read 'Spam Like A Pro In 21 Days' first.
1029857;1424663098;indiancandy1;whats that
1029858;1424663098;BingoBoingo;https://www.michaelwlucas.com/autobiography/the-thumbs
1029859;1424663100;assbot;The Thumbs « Michael W Lucas ... ( http://bit.ly/1JB6Hln )
1029860;1424663100;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo re the name, i definitely got that one pat. no romanian's ever going to be a contender. and that mircea chick really faded after a brief moment of fame
1029861;1424663101;indiancandy1;spam like a pro
1029862;1424663105;danielpbarron;i tried to buy twitter followers on the silk road once, but canceled when the guy couldn't decrypt the GPG message containing the username (not for my account / i was trying to freak out an associate of mine who takes twitter way too seriously despite having only 50 followers)
1029863;1424663109;mircea_popescu;which, coincidentally or not, centers on me writing an article about her
1029864;1424663125;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: I dunno, that artist and his blawg...
1029865;1424663129;mircea_popescu;yaya
1029866;1424663153;indiancandy1;wat is spam like a pro
1029867;1424663157;mircea_popescu;indiancandy1 basically he's saying this is a full time job and you won't be seeing any roi as an amateur
1029868;1424663164;BingoBoingo;!b 3
1029869;1424663165;assbot;Last 3 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/3M7MFCN.txt )
1029870;1424663225;asciilifeform;dear kiyohara takashi, wtf. sincerely,
1029871;1424663240;asciilifeform;everyone
1029872;1424663261;indiancandy1;roi?
1029873;1424663271;BingoBoingo;indiancandy1: Return on Investment
1029874;1424663271;danielpbarron;indiancandy1, btw -- bought followers are worthless; they don't get you impressions or engagements. it just makes the number on your profile look big (so what)
1029875;1424663286;mircea_popescu;return on investment
1029876;1424663291;indiancandy1;3pound
1029877;1424663294;indiancandy1;is not a loss
1029878;1424663317;asciilifeform;indiancandy1: do you drive a car? when you go to a petrol pump, do you pay them to fill your tank? or to wind your gauge to 'full' by hand ?
1029879;1424663328;indiancandy1;i dont drive
1029880;1424663329;indiancandy1;lol
1029881;1424663333;mircea_popescu;lol
1029882;1424663343;asciilifeform;could be why having problem grasping the concept
1029883;1424663363;mircea_popescu;well, she's trying to do something. which in principle is sane, better do something than nothing at all.
1029884;1424663373;indiancandy1;lol
1029885;1424663376;asciilifeform;nobody alive does 'nothing at all'
1029886;1424663380;indiancandy1;aww mp sticking up 4 me
1029887;1424663384;asciilifeform;everybody's trying 'something'
1029888;1424663387;asciilifeform;afaik
1029889;1424663488;asciilifeform;http://cvsweb.netbsd.org/bsdweb.cgi/src/sys/dev/ic/mvsata.c?annotate=1.34&only_with_tag=MAIN
1029890;1424663493;assbot;src/sys/dev/ic/mvsata.c - annotate - 1.34 ... ( http://bit.ly/1JB7RgI )
1029891;1424663554;mircea_popescu;indiancandy1 you got twitch ? or how the fuck is that ipad dating app called
1029892;1424663567;indiancandy1;what
1029893;1424663569;indiancandy1;twich?
1029894;1424663574;indiancandy1;never heard of it
1029895;1424663586;indiancandy1;im not down with the cool kids
1029896;1424663588;mircea_popescu;;;google wtf is that stupid ipad dating app called
1029897;1424663589;gribble;Oh God, I Spent $494.04 Playing the Kim Kardashian Hollywood App: <http://jezebel.com/oh-god-i-spent-494-04-playing-the-kim-kardashian-holl-1597154346>; Talking Angela iPhone app scare spreads on Facebook | Naked ...: <https://nakedsecurity.sophos.com/2013/02/25/talking-angela-iphone-app-scare/>; 7+ Frustrating Things in iOS 8 and What To Do About Them: (1 more message)
1029898;1424663595;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: tinder
1029899;1424663595;indiancandy1;tell me more
1029900;1424663608;asciilifeform;mats described it here
1029901;1424663618;indiancandy1;no i dont do u ?
1029902;1424663622;danielpbarron;#LeftSwipeDat
1029903;1424663626;mircea_popescu;indiancandy1 : buy borrow or steal an ipad ; install tinder ; go out wtih ALL the guys, insist they promote you on their social media.
1029904;1424663649;danielpbarron;the app is so popular, the truth anti-smoking ads assume you're already familiar with it
1029905;1424663649;indiancandy1;ahaha
1029906;1424663651;mircea_popescu;do at least 3 a day, that's 20 a week. a month later you got mommentum plus enough dining out experience to start your own cooking blog
1029907;1424663657;mircea_popescu;now go.
1029908;1424663666;indiancandy1;o my
1029909;1424663671;indiancandy1;mp
1029910;1424663674;indiancandy1;ur so funny
1029911;1424663678;*;danielpbarron has never seen, let alone used tinder
1029912;1424663693;mircea_popescu;im not joking.
1029913;1424663696;indiancandy1;is it for casual sex
1029914;1424663710;mircea_popescu;yes. it's for casual sex with geeky derps.
1029915;1424663713;BingoBoingo;Swipe right every day, #YesAllWomen
1029916;1424663724;danielpbarron;hahahaha
1029917;1424663740;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: that's rich, lol. rather like saying that spam is for nigerians to become millionaires
1029918;1424663753;danielpbarron;wait is that not a joke.. is that what that hashtag meant?
1029919;1424663762;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform i bet you that if she had the mettle to obey me exactly she'd have that viral she wants.
1029920;1424663772;asciilifeform;quite likely
1029921;1424663773;mircea_popescu;the problem is, you don't get the girl in a position to execute without the basement halfyear.
1029922;1424663791;BingoBoingo;danielpbarron: Not a joke.
1029923;1424663832;BingoBoingo;danielpbarron: The statement preceeding the hashtag is literally what the hashtag is all about
1029924;1424663835;indiancandy1;nigerians do yahoo yahoo it involves witchcraft
1029925;1424663848;indiancandy1;there are actually witchdoctors that specialise in this 419 thing
1029926;1424663849;asciilifeform;since we're on the subject, could someone enlighten me re: how 'tinder' does anything once the counterparties meet in the flesh?
1029927;1424663876;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform it provides structure for the conversation.
1029928;1424663881;indiancandy1;it works on gprs
1029929;1424663889;indiancandy1;so basically seeking locals
1029930;1424663890;BingoBoingo;<asciilifeform> since we're on the subject, could someone enlighten me re: how 'tinder' does anything once the counterparties meet in the flesh? << Not in its spec. Hands this off to wetware
1029931;1424663899;mircea_popescu;you're not going to say "how bout those metz" not because you're not dumb enough to do that, which you are, but because you're not smart enough to think ot the metz.
1029932;1424663904;asciilifeform;but that's the actual mega-problem
1029933;1424663905;mircea_popescu;so you're stuck being in the same space.
1029934;1424663905;cazalla;nothing worse than a woman enthral by her iphone, i'd bet the tinder girls are much worse
1029935;1424663906;indiancandy1;it should be called seeking locals
1029936;1424663928;cazalla;i would do the twitch thing tbh, tinder dating you are capped at one man per date, twitch is unlimited
1029937;1424663932;indiancandy1;its for people who just want casual sex
1029938;1424663941;indiancandy1;and this days most of society just want that
1029939;1424663945;BingoBoingo;<indiancandy1> it should be called seeking locals << This is why you suck at spam 101
1029940;1424663949;asciilifeform;see also the wunderwaffen thread:
1029941;1424663950;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=14-02-2015#1017942
1029942;1424663950;assbot;Logged on 14-02-2015 02:47:47; mircea_popescu: do you skip to where the machine got abandoned and read her again ?
1029943;1424663970;indiancandy1;i dont spam
1029944;1424663973;indiancandy1;?
1029945;1424663994;BingoBoingo;indiancandy1: I know. It's jsut actual descriptive names don't ever go viral
1029946;1424664011;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform now imagine if on top of all this "important" stuff, she also had the fucking receiver bolt : "for every missing one, you get ten lashes. each day."
1029947;1424664014;asciilifeform;my understanding was that 'tinder' etc. could only boost the guy's chances because the gurl arrives pre-initialized
1029948;1424664040;BingoBoingo;<asciilifeform> my understanding was that 'tinder' etc. could only boost the guy's chances because the gurl arrives pre-initialized << Does it need to do more?
1029949;1424664047;danielpbarron;asciilifeform, the app helps in that it isn't aimed at establishing long-term relationships; you can already have a new one-night-stand ready for when you're done with the current one
1029950;1424664051;indiancandy1;it should be called sluts r us
1029951;1424664053;indiancandy1;ahahahahahahah
1029952;1424664063;cazalla;indiancandy1, quit slut shaming
1029953;1424664074;mircea_popescu;sluts r us!
1029954;1424664084;asciilifeform;well yes but how does it improve chances vs. visiting a specially-designated heathen pit where these presently congregate
1029955;1424664098;danielpbarron;from what i understand though, the guys are the sluts; the app is for women
1029956;1424664107;indiancandy1;there is one for gays also
1029957;1424664109;asciilifeform;^ now -that- would make sense
1029958;1424664117;indiancandy1;and one for lesboz
1029959;1424664120;BingoBoingo;<asciilifeform> well yes but how does it improve chances vs. visiting a specially-designated heathen pit where these presently congregate << Heathen pits have greater explicit costs
1029960;1424664129;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform re pit, zappa's opinions re disco.
1029961;1424664134;mircea_popescu;iirc quoted here a while back too
1029962;1424664141;BingoBoingo;<indiancandy1> there is one for gays also << Grindr
1029963;1424664145;indiancandy1;ya
1029964;1424664146;cazalla;back in my day we had to use adult friend finder, none of this fancy iphone shit
1029965;1424664148;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: costs?
1029966;1424664162;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: Heathen pit costs time
1029967;1424664165;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: if you can afford a computer, you can afford to visit pub
1029968;1424664169;asciilifeform;ah hm.
1029969;1424664178;indiancandy1;hot girls dont go pubs
1029970;1424664180;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: Your forget idiots suck at math
1029971;1424664189;indiancandy1;hot girls go to bars
1029972;1424664205;asciilifeform;indiancandy1: bar is not same as pub where you live ?
1029973;1424664212;indiancandy1;london
1029974;1424664216;indiancandy1;and its completley different
1029975;1424664226;cazalla;likewise, pub/bar are two diff things down under
1029976;1424664257;danielpbarron;is the difference whether you sit or stand?
1029977;1424664264;indiancandy1;no
1029978;1424664269;*;asciilifeform bows out of this thread because realizes he has no personal experience with any of the things therein, at all, nor does he have a working theoretical model of them
1029979;1424664294;indiancandy1;if i had 2 compare it to hotels i would say a bar is more 5star and pub is like local bed and breakfast
1029980;1424664334;cazalla;pub is more cheap food and booze, bar is more.. cocktail.. you'd never get a cocktail at a pub.. unless ya like a poof or something
1029981;1424664407;danielpbarron;i can't find a good cocktail anywhere
1029982;1424664425;indiancandy1;unless ur like a poof
1029983;1424664429;indiancandy1;thats funny
1029984;1424664435;ben_vulpes;danielpbarron: generally you make 'em.
1029985;1424664437;indiancandy1;daniel were do u liive
1029986;1424664442;ben_vulpes;or have the girl do it.
1029987;1424664451;danielpbarron;yep
1029988;1424664452;ben_vulpes;a, the...
1029989;1424664489;danielpbarron;indiancandy1, Connecticut (the state next to new york city)
1029990;1424664534;BingoBoingo;<cazalla> likewise, pub/bar are two diff things down under << Here pub is fancier subset of bar where craft beer poofs congregate
1029991;1424664541;cazalla;this is why true blue aussie battler slim dusty sang of a pub with no beer and not no cocktails https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8E0aZ387M_I
1029992;1424664543;assbot;Pub With No Beer -  Slim Dusty - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1JBaNtN )
1029993;1424664693;BingoBoingo;http://drunkard.com/issues/59/59-10-reasons-why-the-gabf-sucks.html << "Hall F of the Colorado Convention Center possesses all the charm of a Soviet tank factory with the Nazis closing in. All the ugly, hard surfaces distort and amplify the happy babble of the crowd into the soundtrack of the Spanish inquisition. I�m well-aware of the brewery association�s rationale: With so many people begging to be fleeced, they have an obli
1029994;1424664694;assbot;Modern Drunkard Magazine ... ( http://bit.ly/1JBb7Zs )
1029995;1424664694;BingoBoingo;gation to provide enough space to fleece as many as possible. Which is fine, but that doesn�t mean the fleece factory has to look and feel like a fleece factory." Everything wrong with craft beer scene
1029996;1424664695;indiancandy1;in dubai u get nice pubs
1029997;1424664712;indiancandy1;GOODNIGHT EVRYBODY
1029998;1424664713;indiancandy1;XXXXXXXX
1029999;1424664728;BingoBoingo;http://drunkard.com/issues/59/59-champagne-is-fucking-overrated.html
1030000;1424664729;assbot;Modern Drunkard Magazine ... ( http://bit.ly/1JBbgwa )
1030001;1424664741;ben_vulpes;oi fuck you
1030002;1424664749;ben_vulpes;champagne is not overrated
1030003;1424664758;BingoBoingo;ben_vulpes: It totally is
1030004;1424664812;BingoBoingo;!up indiancandy1
1030005;1424664821;BingoBoingo;!up unbalanced
1030006;1424664829;ben_vulpes;bourbon? self-disqualified.
1030007;1424664862;BingoBoingo;ben_vulpes: Bourbon is good, but still not as efficient as pure ETOH
1030008;1424664869;decimation;champagne from champagne or fizzy wine in general?
1030009;1424664918;BingoBoingo;decimation: Well, I linked a text authored by a person with more polished thoughts on the matter
1030010;1424664954;mircea_popescu;http://thelastpsychiatrist.com/2008/01/hey_we_just_now_invented_a_coc.html#comment-26844 << tlp gets some outright great comments
1030011;1424664955;assbot;The Last Psychiatrist: Hey! We Just Now Invented A Cocaine Vaccine 9 Years Ago ... ( http://bit.ly/1JBbZ0j )
1030012;1424664987;ben_vulpes;decimation: the person in question wouldn't know the difference.
1030013;1424665070;BingoBoingo;I�m not going to go overboard here by claiming that there�s somehow nothing worse than the introduction of a bottle of champagne to a party setting, but I will call that shit out as being a significant speed bump at any given semiformal bacchanal�say, <, What is untrue about this. Champagne is a speed bump, and obstruction
1030014;1424665113;thestringpuller;danielpbarron: have you ever been to Wilson's Pizza in Windsor?
1030015;1424665129;BingoBoingo;"There�s a gathering �round, anticipations, the camaraderie of the pour-and-pass. Speeches are made and improvised from makeshift pulpits. In a chamber of strangers there comes a blossoming sense of true union, a warm realization of the beauty in us all, and the hope for a happier tomorrow. The energy of the room charges upward to its apex, tears flow freely, everyone screams�  And then, in silent finale, we all tip back bar
1030016;1424665129;BingoBoingo;ely half a cup of soda water gone rotten, say aaah, and limply burp. Hooray?"
1030017;1424665150;ben_vulpes;poor people opining about champagne.
1030018;1424665154;ben_vulpes;good find, BingoBoingo.
1030019;1424665157;*;mircea_popescu went to some sort of shibaru get together here, it was advertised as "bring someting to share". i brought two bottles of fizzy, ended up drinking it with girl i brought and her friend that made the invite, because the other people were too shy.
1030020;1424665162;mircea_popescu;also, shibaru dressed. srsly.
1030021;1424665189;ben_vulpes;haw
1030022;1424665193;ben_vulpes;what's the point?
1030023;1424665196;mircea_popescu;i have nfi.
1030024;1424665216;mircea_popescu;and i don't mean dressed as in swimwear either.
1030025;1424665222;BingoBoingo;ben_vulpes: Not quite. More people opining on the forgetableness of champagne for the serious drink hobbyist.
1030026;1424665228;mircea_popescu;fuckign street clothes.
1030027;1424665233;danielpbarron;thestringpuller> danielpbarron: have you ever been to Wilson's Pizza in Windsor? << no; not sure if i've even been to windsor
1030028;1424665240;cazalla;BingoBoingo, ever been blind drunk only to find that old abandoned bottle of champas in the back of a cupboard and despite being blind drunk, half of it gets tipped down the sink?
1030029;1424665267;BingoBoingo;<cazalla> BingoBoingo, ever been blind drunk only to find that old abandoned bottle of champas in the back of a cupboard and despite being blind drunk, half of it gets tipped down the sink? << Seriously, shit dies within minutes of opening
1030030;1424665280;ben_vulpes;was there anything interesting on display at all?
1030031;1424665331;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes it was like 2 other guys and about 7 girls. exactly one barely fuckable in the lot, and she looked and acted like a 17 yo cutting class.
1030032;1424665380;ben_vulpes;sounds par for your experiences down south.
1030033;1424665380;mircea_popescu;on re-read i guess to some people that sounds like praise. it ain't.
1030034;1424665424;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes somehow this disease where "words, we are using them" has definitely spread to here.
1030035;1424665426;mircea_popescu;i blame tv.
1030036;1424665437;cazalla;you know, one of the many things i don't grasp about bdsm is what looks like a desire of people to do it in a social setting than privacy of ones own home
1030037;1424665451;mircea_popescu;cazalla ever fucked a girl in public ?
1030038;1424665469;cazalla;not in full view, no
1030039;1424665485;mircea_popescu;ever thought about doin' it ?
1030040;1424665487;cazalla;off to the side, out of view, yes, but not a habit either
1030041;1424665516;cazalla;no, not really, i like the comfort of home where shameful acts remain out of sight
1030042;1424665543;mircea_popescu;well then makes sense.
1030043;1424665552;mircea_popescu;not a fan of restaurants either ?
1030044;1424665564;unbalanced;Sheesh, the conversation always takes a turn in the minutes it takes me to read a link and find a relevant reply
1030045;1424665579;cazalla;i'm not, but prob for reasons other than implied (don't like to eat in front of others i'm guessing, but that does not bother me)
1030046;1424665585;unbalanced;mp, re: the TLP comment I saw this the other day: https://twitter.com/renaudbedard/status/567827024775127040
1030047;1424665588;assbot;Woooah, a spambot barfed its post recipe on my blog, it's beautiful o_o // http://t.co/AVhrIFXgEK http://t.co/tlrHBHa5Oj
1030048;1424665601;mircea_popescu;jus' saying, you know, each has his own inclinations. some ppl like it. some don't mind it. etc.
1030049;1424665602;unbalanced;BingoBoingo, thanks for the upvoice
1030050;1424665620;mircea_popescu;unbalanced happens to me occasionally too. {|||} etc stuff
1030051;1424665621;BingoBoingo;unbalanced: You're welcome. It's been a while
1030052;1424665649;unbalanced;I wander off for a few months and sites fall off the web like flies.
1030053;1424665679;unbalanced;I take it Altcoin is history? And Virtex and VoS here in Canada.
1030054;1424665690;mircea_popescu;for plenty of girls being fucked in public is a major trespass, and sexual arousal and taboo breaking are intrinsically linked.
1030055;1424665736;cazalla;i assume you mean in full view of the public and not hidden away up a side alley
1030056;1424665838;cazalla;a romp in the side alley = fear of being caught, but in full view of the public and on display for anyone that cares to watch.. must be something else?
1030057;1424665858;BingoBoingo;unbalanced: ATC died, mining became unteneable
1030058;1424665902;BingoBoingo;unbalanced: On the plus side ATC's death highlighted a critical vulnerability in mining economics for alts
1030059;1424665970;unbalanced;I guess when X-BT was gone, miners saw no market for ATC?
1030060;1424666001;BingoBoingo;unbalanced: ATC's death prompted X-BT to end, not the reverse
1030061;1424666009;unbalanced;Aside from OTC here in IRC I guess.
1030062;1424666035;unbalanced;Still, hard to find "a greater fool" to dump ATC on with me absent.
1030063;1424666049;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: l0l re: cocaine vaccine. the proposed 'dope vaccines' are one of the true eldrich horrors, that, were they actually put to use, would make folks pine for herr doktor mengele and his mercies
1030064;1424666061;unbalanced;Nice work on qntra, btw
1030065;1424666062;asciilifeform;think for a minute if the 'why' isn't obvious
1030066;1424666063;BingoBoingo;unbalanced: Well the MPIF ATC profit center died because MP ordered it when he saw continuing anything aTC would involve potentially unbounded costs.
1030067;1424666067;unbalanced;To all involved.
1030068;1424666072;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2796 @ 0.00041502 = 1.1604 BTC [+]
1030069;1424666095;asciilifeform;picture autoimmune destruction of the reward centres
1030070;1424666106;asciilifeform;(i can't picture a 'cocaine vaccine' doing anything else, if it works at all)
1030071;1424666108;BingoBoingo;<asciilifeform> picture autoimmune destruction of the reward centres << This
1030072;1424666116;unbalanced;*nice work to all involved meaning BingoBoingo / cazalla / mp, unless I'm missing anyone.
1030073;1424666119;asciilifeform;ditto for the opiate 'vaccine'
1030074;1424666139;asciilifeform;i can see it as a grotesque means of execution, however.
1030075;1424666151;BingoBoingo;unbalanced: Our best recent piece was asciilifeform's disk controller epic
1030076;1424666156;unbalanced;Oh jeez, I see the Dec statement, lots of authors. Nice model!
1030077;1424666158;asciilifeform;'vaccinate' poor schmuck and lock him in an oubliette with a rusty razor.
1030078;1424666186;BingoBoingo;unbalanced: Our most retweeted recently though was me cribbing crunchbase, because fuck Superfish/TimDraper
1030079;1424666509;BingoBoingo;!uo gernika
1030080;1424666513;BingoBoingo;!up Bagels7
1030081;1424666693;BingoBoingo;!up unbalanced
1030082;1424666742;unbalanced;asciilifeform: my favourite part of that was learning that there's a "Persistence Division" -- sounds like an 80's electronica band
1030083;1424666791;mircea_popescu;cazalla well... something else, sure. like a strong signal to the other females.
1030084;1424666804;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13800 @ 0.00041502 = 5.7273 BTC [+]
1030085;1424666826;cazalla;looks like one of the cloudhashing.com guys has a new scam at freebitcoins.com to harvest emails at 0.0001 per
1030086;1424666833;BingoBoingo;;;later tell indiancandy1 marketing 101 http://drunkard.com/issues/59/59-thunderbird-is-the-word.html
1030087;1424666835;assbot;Modern Drunkard Magazine ... ( http://bit.ly/1zyshwW )
1030088;1424666835;gribble;The operation succeeded.
1030089;1424666860;unbalanced;Would you say Qubes is worth trying as a more secure OS? I think you mentioned it once wayyy back...
1030090;1424666862;mircea_popescu;2 cents an email ? hey, that's about what megalists cost.
1030091;1424666883;asciilifeform;unbalanced: the reason for this is the elementary fact that, while virtually all victims of usg ops are dumb enough to run winblows, not all of them are so exquisitely stupid as to use the install that came in the crate
1030092;1424666898;asciilifeform;unbalanced: hence persistence-through-diddled-hw shenanigans
1030093;1424666925;unbalanced;...so I looked for a laptop that would support all the goodies in Qubes, and ended up buying -- wait for it -- a Lenovo.
1030094;1424666944;unbalanced;Can't win.
1030095;1424666958;asciilifeform;unbalanced: qubes << i most certainly never suggested it. as far as i can see, it's plain 'xen' and subject to all the caveats thereof ('escapes' etc)
1030096;1424666983;BingoBoingo;unbalanced: My online machine is still a 2011 vintage cheapo thinkpad. Love it.
1030097;1424666991;asciilifeform;as a general rule, piss on anyone pitching a linux distro as 'an os'
1030098;1424667022;asciilifeform;there is no excuse for lying. don't say 'i wrote an os' when you rolled a linux distro like 100,000 other folks.
1030099;1424667032;unbalanced;Of course it wasn't a consumer Lenovo, but it seems if you buy the latest Intel processor for security features you may be buying a factory-pwned unit anyway.
1030100;1424667035;asciilifeform;if gonna lie, at least try to be believable ?
1030101;1424667035;*;BingoBoingo is coming around to idea that if linux is used msut be built from toothpicks
1030102;1424667062;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform i dun think you understand how pubescent male brain works.
1030103;1424667068;BingoBoingo;unbalanced: The cheapo lenovos come with AMD
1030104;1424667089;unbalanced;I'd buy a used ThinkPad but who knows how diddled that would be now from 4 years of some shlub surfing porn?
1030105;1424667106;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: to the extent i know how any other one works.
1030106;1424667121;asciilifeform;wasn't, after all, born this age.
1030107;1424667131;*;BingoBoingo finds present online machine valuable because acquired well before could have been considered interesting personally
1030108;1424667155;danielpbarron;i chatted with someone the other day who claimed to be using a "custom OS" / when pressed further he admitted it was ubuntu with some features disabled
1030109;1424667157;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform "hi baby i'm a producer". " i made an os"
1030110;1424667157;asciilifeform;http://www.techtimes.com/articles/28288/20150123/researchers-test-anti-cocaine-vaccine-taps-immune-system-to-end-addiction.htm << this is interesting -only- because of the photo of the crack woman from pediwikia. it used to have a face!
1030111;1424667158;assbot;Researchers Test Anti-Cocaine Vaccine, Taps Immune System to End Addiction : LIFE : Tech Times ... ( http://bit.ly/1zysKPD )
1030112;1424667160;asciilifeform;i saw it many times
1030113;1424667165;asciilifeform;and it had a face.
1030114;1424667168;mircea_popescu;i even have this captured in trilema amber
1030115;1424667224;asciilifeform;that photo only existed as a propaganda device, 'woman, see what the dope life does to face?!'
1030116;1424667230;asciilifeform;and now it looks almost normal
1030117;1424667263;asciilifeform;but i can see some pediwikian fuhrer going 'we shall now censor faces'
1030118;1424667284;asciilifeform;re: 'dope life':
1030119;1424667325;asciilifeform;there are conditions that interfere with sleep. as in, cannot - or can only rarely - sleep. eventually fatal. but before victim dies, he experiences more or less the whole gamut of 'meth addict' pathologies.
1030120;1424667350;mircea_popescu;actually i so very much doubt that has to be fatal...
1030121;1424667351;asciilifeform;which suggests that u.s. army medics were right, and meth (or other stimulator) per se doesn't poison the user
1030122;1424667357;mircea_popescu;if i ever get one i'll report.
1030123;1424667366;unbalanced;BingoBoingo, I imagine anyone wandering through this channel must end up on a no-fly list within a week. I mean, if there's a Persistence Division, there must be an #Assets Assembly.
1030124;1424667369;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: kills via immune collapse
1030125;1424667379;asciilifeform;iirc.
1030126;1424667402;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform the thing is, when i don't actually sleep i revert to these 4 hour cycles with about an hourish of downtime, and im fine.
1030127;1424667417;mircea_popescu;i think the pathology results from not actually respecting that.
1030128;1424667440;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: the pathology arises in cases where victim - usually for reason of taking stimulator nonstop - feels no compulsion to sleep.
1030129;1424667471;asciilifeform;this is not the only incident of 'modern' medicine failing to factor out comorbidities correctly
1030130;1424667472;*;mircea_popescu is one of those rare folks that can stand guard two weeks and still appreciate humor at the end of it.
1030131;1424667482;asciilifeform;see also tthe case of the wholly fictional 'crack babies'
1030132;1424667505;asciilifeform;(which were, to the extent the pathologies were actual, vs imagined, alcohol babies)
1030133;1424667555;cazalla;mircea_popescu, sleep deprived hysteria? had this after the first week with baby, i have never laughed so hard and all i assume as a result from total lack of sleep
1030134;1424667565;*;asciilifeform personal record - 1 week. and appreciated humour perhaps too much after that. but story for another time
1030135;1424667584;unbalanced;I saw bitwork.io in an early qntra.net article... is the maker from around here, an #asset-erian?
1030136;1424667589;danielpbarron;i went a few days without sleep and began to hallucinate
1030137;1424667629;cazalla;unbalanced, i don't believe so, exchanged a few emails with the guy who built that but unsure if he ever came here
1030138;1424667663;danielpbarron;!up NewLiberty
1030139;1424667679;mircea_popescu;cazalla no hysteria, but i get very disinclined to listen to what excuses anyone may have.
1030140;1424667717;unbalanced;cazalla, thanks -- I was pondering a similar idea about how to divvy-up boring micro data-cleaning work by pipelining it to many users and doing micro-payments.
1030141;1424667799;unbalanced;Like captcha's I'd need a human decision for the choices my code couldn't make... and would need to run each one by say 5 people then take the "wisdom of the crowds" consensus answer.
1030142;1424667841;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29793 @ 0.00040662 = 12.1144 BTC [-] {2} 
1030143;1424667842;mircea_popescu;this is the shittiest wetware cpu design yet.
1030144;1424667868;unbalanced;Simple stuff for a native speaker in a given language: correcting capitalization on names, coding mistyped countries
1030145;1424667943;ben_vulpes;unbalanced: the term is "asshat"
1030146;1424667963;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13507 @ 0.00040429 = 5.4607 BTC [-]
1030147;1424668046;unbalanced;Ohhhh that's why I get called asshat all the time.
1030148;1424668074;unbalanced;But the question is, how do people driving by know I lurk here?
1030149;1424668177;BingoBoingo;'Ernest Gallo told and re-told a story about driving through Atlanta and spotting a man drinking on the sidewalk. �What�s the word?� Gallo called out. The response was instantaneous: �Thunderbird!� and both the wino and the millionaire dissolved into laughter.'
1030150;1424668254;unbalanced;mircea_popescu: yeah, there doesn't seem to be anything there... I was hoping for an API to hook into but my needs are custom enough I'll likely have to roll my own UI anyway.
1030151;1424668266;BingoBoingo;"Not surprisingly, this misguided attempt at respectability failed. Thereafter, Gallo disassociated itself from Thunderbird by simply removing the Gallo name from the Thunderbird label."
1030152;1424668268;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3000 @ 0.00040466 = 1.214 BTC [+]
1030153;1424668359;BingoBoingo;"Television ads featured the fictional characters �Frank Bartles� and �Ed Jaymes,� two kindly old men so honest and down-to-earth they ended each spot by thanking viewers �for your support.�"
1030154;1424668426;ben_vulpes;dude
1030155;1424668432;ben_vulpes;everything in the ruby world is abandonware
1030156;1424668518;BingoBoingo;!up unbalanced
1030157;1424668563;BingoBoingo;ben_vulpes: what do you seriously expect from the language that spawned the framework that killed vircurex
1030158;1424668602;unbalanced;Thanks Bingo
1030159;1424668633;BingoBoingo;For people lacking history Vircurex was what cryptsy aspired to be until Vircurex was robbed to the point no one bothered robbing it anymore
1030160;1424668699;ben_vulpes;BingoBoingo: it also runs davout's thing
1030161;1424668717;unbalanced;We get a lot of data coming in where users enter things like "NHL" "Nat'l Hockey League" "N.H.l." or umpteen other bastardizations of whatever the short text field is asking for.
1030162;1424668756;BingoBoingo;ben_vulpes: Davout also cares enough though to run off of a name. Vircurex was run by "Kumala" who even mircea_popescu doesn't care enough about to dox.
1030163;1424668993;unbalanced;I can reduce the data cleaning chore via buzzword compliance: gamification, cryptocurrency, micropayments... child labor... addictive push notifications, the whole nine yeards.
1030164;1424669042;unbalanced;Purely scratching my own itch there. Not proposing a wetware CPU startup. No Tesla coming out of this one, just fewer manual SQL statements.
1030165;1424669166;unbalanced;Bingo, I get Bartles & Jaymes confused with the two cranberry farmers standing out in the marsh in their hip-waders
1030166;1424669232;mircea_popescu;<ben_vulpes> everything in the ruby world is abandonware  << everything in the webworld is abandonware.
1030167;1424669238;mircea_popescu;brace yourself for THAT discovery.
1030168;1424669241;BingoBoingo;unbalanced: Maybe that is the point of the exercise. Everything one could want to know about "marketing" can be learned from Modern Drunkard.
1030169;1424669383;unbalanced;I will be sure to leave branded empties near schoolyards like the Gallo salesment.
1030170;1424669400;BingoBoingo;!up arvicco
1030171;1424669466;asciilifeform;'bitwork' << see also 'mechanical turk'
1030172;1424669471;asciilifeform;(yes, named for the chess 'machine')
1030173;1424669490;asciilifeform;it is, afaik, unique for one thing - being a haven of sp4mz0rz on both sides of the equation
1030174;1424669501;asciilifeform;that is, most if not all of the jobs, last i checked, pertained to spam
1030175;1424669502;unbalanced;Yes, I remember when Amazon came out with theirs, I read that story...
1030176;1424669515;asciilifeform;but quite likely most of the 'workers' are also (secretly) bots.
1030177;1424669517;unbalanced;(about the magical machine)
1030178;1424669547;asciilifeform;ok i have no idea about others, but all of -mine- were bots, lol
1030179;1424669610;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13850 @ 0.00041502 = 5.748 BTC [+]
1030180;1424669631;unbalanced;Heh. For data coding I think I'd have to limit use to trusted/trained users... hence my child labor crack.
1030181;1424669646;unbalanced;We'll whip up a few pages where a few seniors and students can tap big colourful rectangles to make their selections.
1030182;1424669667;unbalanced;Instead of surfing Pinterest or trying to get Flappy Bird further along.
1030183;1424669707;unbalanced;Steve Jobs is training the work force of the future, who knew?
1030184;1424669729;unbalanced;Tap and flick your way to a food pellet and a little more water in your dish!
1030185;1424669731;asciilifeform;https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B9EKh_lIEAE1O8u.jpg
1030186;1424669731;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1zywFMk )
1030187;1424669739;asciilifeform;^ 'workforce'
1030188;1424669752;ben_vulpes;there's a particularly good sci fi story about people who lease their wetware out during the day, are monitored for minute reactions.
1030189;1424669759;BingoBoingo;Twerkforce!!!
1030190;1424669760;ben_vulpes;damned if i can remember it.
1030191;1424669783;unbalanced;That's a lot of electricity for a Chinese prison.
1030192;1424669806;[]bot;Bet placed: 13.12 BTC for No on "BTC to top $500 before 1st May" http://bitbet.us/bet/1120/ Odds: 7(Y):93(N) by coin, 7(Y):93(N) by weight. Total bet: 23.34534479 BTC. Current weight: 91,074.
1030193;1424669809;asciilifeform;gurlfarm
1030194;1424669819;ben_vulpes;bitbet volume up this month?
1030195;1424669876;unbalanced;Careful asciilifeform she's probably watching us right now.
1030196;1424669938;unbalanced;Did I see a bitbet.py somewhere in the past month or so? That sounded neat.
1030197;1424669956;BingoBoingo;Megalol >> https://www.reddit.com/r/Buttcoin/comments/2ws5jn/should_i_dox_myself_for_3/
1030198;1424669959;assbot;Should I dox myself for $3? : Buttcoin ... ( http://bit.ly/18fsqic )
1030199;1424669969;BingoBoingo;unbalanced: The classical bitbet.py is useful
1030200;1424670052;ben_vulpes;okay i lost a weekend to ruby dependency hell
1030201;1424670060;ben_vulpes;can i say something dramatic yet?
1030202;1424670114;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: how'd ya like to lose a week to http://cvsweb.netbsd.org/bsdweb.cgi/src/sys/dev/ic/mvsata.c?annotate=1.34&only_with_tag=MAIN
1030203;1424670118;assbot;src/sys/dev/ic/mvsata.c - annotate - 1.34 ... ( http://bit.ly/1zyxapO )
1030204;1424670247;*;BingoBoingo is still convinced NetBSD is a largely Jap fascination much like tentacle porn
1030205;1424670352;BingoBoingo;!up unbalanced
1030206;1424670395;*;BingoBoingo seriously though NEtBSD was for people who wanted sudo on their toasters
1030207;1424670415;asciilifeform;on dead squirrels
1030208;1424670423;BingoBoingo;That too.
1030209;1424670429;asciilifeform;toaster - luxury, can run freebsd
1030210;1424670434;BingoBoingo;I mean... Borked SATA drivers???
1030211;1424670441;asciilifeform;borked on marvell
1030212;1424670471;asciilifeform;and, supposedly, only for certain drives
1030213;1424670477;asciilifeform;but happens to include all the ones i could find here
1030214;1424670482;BingoBoingo;Ah
1030215;1424670535;BingoBoingo;Building bitcoin-qt through an exercise that largely involved deleting makes me wonder what other applications I could improve for my own use by deleting code
1030216;1424670585;ben_vulpes;muntz on, good sir.
1030217;1424670618;BingoBoingo;I'm thinking "Midori" web browser might be a next candidate
1030218;1424670681;BingoBoingo;!up FabianB
1030219;1424670719;*;BingoBoingo offers "midori" web browser particularly because all C
1030220;1424670769;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19500 @ 0.00041675 = 8.1266 BTC [+] {2} 
1030221;1424670807;asciilifeform;what other applications I could improve for my own use by deleting << kernels
1030222;1424670882;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: Exactly. I'm just now discovering the power of the delete key and like a toddler want to use it on everything.
1030223;1424670935;BingoBoingo;http://www.returnofkings.com/16637/negative-hiv-tests-for-sale?ModPagespeed=noscript
1030224;1424670937;assbot;  Negative HIV Tests For Sale ... ( http://bit.ly/1zyyrNE )
1030225;1424670963;asciilifeform;wat
1030226;1424670978;BingoBoingo;RC4, delete; NTFS, delete;
1030227;1424671068;BingoBoingo;sshd, delete
1030228;1424671161;BingoBoingo;!up dgeats
1030229;1424671209;cazalla;lol http://google.com.vn/
1030230;1424671210;assbot;Google ... ( http://bit.ly/18fth2C )
1030231;1424671234;asciilifeform;cazalla: what of it
1030232;1424671269;cazalla;ah maybe i am getting cached ver, someone elses ss http://i.imgur.com/wMScgY6.png
1030233;1424671271;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/18ftliA )
1030234;1424671314;BingoBoingo;cazalla: Yeah, I saw boring google, bot lulzfest you screencapped
1030235;1424671336;cazalla;not my screencap but i still see it
1030236;1424671429;BingoBoingo;You know copyrastas got too much power when people want to price gouge antihelminthics http://pipeline.corante.com/archives/2015/02/20/more_price_hikes_on_obscure_medication.php
1030237;1424671430;assbot;More Price Hikes on Obscure Medication. In the Pipeline:  ... ( http://bit.ly/1zyzbST )
1030238;1424671488;asciilifeform;^ 'intellectual property' in one paragraph.
1030239;1424671496;asciilifeform;'If Shkreli acquires Biltricide from Bayer, he plans to raise the price of the drug to $100,000 for a single-day course of treatment, according to people briefed on Turing's business plans. No other changes or improvements to the drug will be made by Turing. The extra revenue generated by Biltricide is expected to earn Turing a fast profit for its investors and help defray the cost of developing other, experimental drugs, sour
1030240;1424671496;asciilifeform;ces said.'
1030241;1424671579;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: Best part is people who generally need antihelminthics... generally could not afford "aspirin"
1030242;1424671611;asciilifeform;target market is presumably wealthy usian tourists to the turd world
1030243;1424671632;asciilifeform;who manage to get very, very lucky
1030244;1424671637;BingoBoingo;lol
1030245;1424671659;cazalla;what a fucking other fucker.. just chipped my front tooth after only having it fixed like a month ago
1030246;1424671663;cazalla;mother fucker even
1030247;1424671680;asciilifeform;i bet it costs less to have all the shareholders shot in the head
1030248;1424671695;asciilifeform;than what the patients, collectively, might pay for the product.
1030249;1424671716;BingoBoingo;cazalla: Welcome to the wonderful world of ceramics
1030250;1424671887;*;BingoBoingo finds it amazing that maximally empowered copyrastas would have te rest of humanity die by worms
1030251;1424671887;assbot;AMAZING COMPANY!
1030252;1424671905;asciilifeform;the 100k fella didn't mention funding worm spread
1030253;1424671912;asciilifeform;but it seems like logical next step.
1030254;1424671919;asciilifeform;to maximize investor returns!
1030255;1424671976;BingoBoingo;No need to fund worm spread. Spread well enough on their own
1030256;1424672038;asciilifeform;whether 'on their own' is 'well enough' is for the shareholders to decide.
1030257;1424672043;cazalla;BingoBoingo, black people sorta ruined gold teeth didn't they?
1030258;1424672056;BingoBoingo;Only necessary ingredient is pricing drug out of veterinary practice
1030259;1424672069;BingoBoingo;cazalla: Mercury amalgam is still a thing
1030260;1424672178;cazalla;BingoBoingo, that'd still look like i had bling done
1030261;1424672188;BingoBoingo;Maybe?
1030262;1424672458;BingoBoingo;Aesthetics can only put up so much of a fight against engineering
1030263;1424672484;ben_vulpes;asciilifeform: you at least understand the toolchain with which you grapple.
1030264;1424672511;cazalla;i don't wanna live in a world where i have to bling up my front teeth just to eat a peach without chipping a tooth
1030265;1424672514;asciilifeform;mercifully little there is of it
1030266;1424672528;cazalla;i'd claim shoddy work but the crown this guy did, never had an issue
1030267;1424672605;BingoBoingo;cazalla: You have to understand replacement material involve necessary compromise
1030268;1424672813;asciilifeform;http://www.scrapbookpages.com/AuschwitzScrapbook/History/Articles/BelsenIncident.html << historical interest
1030269;1424672814;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1zyBplh )
1030270;1424672822;cazalla;food needs to adjust to fit the way my teeth see the world BingoBoingo
1030271;1424672825;asciilifeform;re: solzhenitsyn's axe theorem
1030272;1424672975;asciilifeform;incidentally modern jailers learned from this and other historical lulz
1030273;1424672984;asciilifeform;they do not wear sidearms inside the 'wire'.
1030274;1424673148;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11200 @ 0.00041854 = 4.6876 BTC [+] {2} 
1030275;1424673279;BingoBoingo;And yet USia's jailing class plagiarizes their German predecessors without attribution
1030276;1424673352;BingoBoingo;cazalla: Once you need fillings in "working locations" the choices are metallic and durable or "natural" and the dentist's annuity
1030277;1424673384;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: plagiarizes - lol. where in the world were the first modern gassings? not germany
1030278;1424673424;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: The gassing are not the plagiarism. The humane safety aspects are.
1030279;1424673628;BingoBoingo;"No firearms in the zoo" was a very German reform
1030280;1424673811;BingoBoingo;Oh, return of kink has a rough gem http://www.returnofkings.com/1977/france-is-in-big-trouble
1030281;1424673813;assbot;  France Is In Big Trouble ... ( http://bit.ly/1BaYujR )
1030282;1424673926;asciilifeform;'In all of the discussions, H�ss is quite matter-of-fact and apathetic, shows some belated interest in the enormity of his crime, but gives the impression that it never would have occurred to him if somebody hadn�t asked him. There is too much apathy to leave any suggestion of remorse and even the prospect of hanging does not unduly stress him. One gets the general impression of a man who is intellectually normal, but with
1030283;1424673926;asciilifeform;the schizoid apathy, insensitivity and lack of empathy that could hardly be more extreme in a frank psychotic' << could be a description of virtually any
1030284;1424673933;asciilifeform;any 'plum book' usg
1030285;1424674124;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14800 @ 0.00041258 = 6.1062 BTC [-]
1030286;1424674352;BingoBoingo;Related http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2015/feb/22/thousands-of-inmates-to-be-transferred-after-unrest-at-texas-prison
1030287;1424674354;assbot;Thousands of inmates to be transferred after unrest at Texas prison | US news | The Guardian ... ( http://bit.ly/1Bb1hd3 )
1030288;1424674378;BingoBoingo;"The inmates broke out of their housing structures and converged in the recreation yard, setting fire to several kevlar domes, or tents, that serve as prison housing, the paper said."
1030289;1424674467;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: 'kevlar' isn't flammable per se...
1030290;1424674490;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: Plenty flame-abru in practice
1030291;1424674549;BingoBoingo;Hydrocarbon and flourocarbon polymers break down into their more flamable constituents
1030292;1424674653;*;BingoBoingo wonders if maybe he should have watched the oscars if it inspired this much butthurt this year http://www.slate.com/blogs/browbeat/2015/02/23/oscars_best_picture_winner_birdman_boyhood_snub_is_the_academy_s_worst_mistake.html
1030293;1424674655;assbot;Oscars best picture winner Birdman: Boyhood snub is the Academy’s worst mistake in 20 years. ... ( http://bit.ly/1AAy7Av )
1030294;1424674917;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11327 @ 0.00040466 = 4.5836 BTC [-]
1030295;1424674978;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5923 @ 0.00040466 = 2.3968 BTC [-]
1030296;1424675039;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6600 @ 0.00040466 = 2.6708 BTC [-]
1030297;1424675283;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6900 @ 0.00040799 = 2.8151 BTC [+]
1030298;1424675456;ben_vulpes;ahaha and then ruby ecosystem just falls over en masse without libreadline6-dev on the machine. no warnings at compile or until i go to actually run this hellspawn rails app
1030299;1424675617;BingoBoingo;ben_vulpes: You know... sbcl is available nearly everywhere...
1030300;1424675969;BingoBoingo;Why OpenBSD dev's hate FreeBSD devs https://twitter.com/MiodVallat/status/569753224179261440
1030301;1424675971;assbot;/hashtag/Kamailio?src=hash and /hashtag/LibreSSL?src=hash does not play together. Problems with CRYPTO_set_mem_functions
1030302;1424676634;BingoBoingo;!up sergiohlb
1030303;1424676722;sergiohlb;thank you
1030304;1424676738;BingoBoingo;yOU'RE WELCOME
1030305;1424677515;mircea_popescu;unbalanced: Instead of surfing Pinterest or trying to get Flappy Bird further along. << there's something fundamentally naive about one imagining he can extract useful work out of an assemblage of idiots.
1030306;1424677858;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo that site with the idiotic "from around the web" "weird tricks" etc spam
1030307;1424677967;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 62765 @ 0.00040336 = 25.3169 BTC [-] {2} 
1030308;1424678006;mircea_popescu;re "100k/dose" : praziquantel is a simple molecule easy to synth. everyone'll just use the indian version and that's that.
1030309;1424678012;mircea_popescu;let us bezzle outbezzle itself to all fuck.
1030310;1424678028;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34750 @ 0.00040965 = 14.2353 BTC [+] {2} 
1030311;1424678123;Adlai;"praziquantel is a simple molecule easy to synth." << easiest way to get accurate info on the internet is to spew nonsense and wait to be corrected? :P
1030312;1424678150;mircea_popescu;no ?
1030313;1424678221;mircea_popescu;which part dja have trouble with ?
1030314;1424678336;*;Adlai lets the professional chemists weigh in, this is outside his pay grade
1030315;1424678411;mircea_popescu;it's about 50yo you know.
1030316;1424678526;Adlai;that has zero relevance to ease of synthesis
1030317;1424678542;mircea_popescu;...
1030318;1424678592;mircea_popescu;what do you think happened in the past half century, chemistry got HARDER ?
1030319;1424679069;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform re the jew thing : so ho got her man. rest of the "respectable" cunts, ineffectual as all "respectable" cunts.
1030320;1424679074;mircea_popescu;nothing new under the sun.
1030321;1424679358;cazalla;anyone else seen qntra as #2 on hackernews atm?
1030322;1424679429;mircea_popescu;yup
1030323;1424679468;mircea_popescu;nice going bb.
1030324;1424679493;cazalla;https://twitter.com/search?f=realtime&q=qntra.net&src=typd
1030325;1424679495;assbot;qntra.net - Twitter Search ... ( http://bit.ly/1vrw16V )
1030326;1424679540;ben_vulpes;https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=9093147 << sure thing shill
1030327;1424679542;assbot;But that's entirely because they have to comply with federal law, not because th... | Hacker News ... ( http://bit.ly/1vrw56L )
1030328;1424679568;mircea_popescu;break a bad law rather than comply with it.
1030329;1424679571;mircea_popescu;"have to" my foot.
1030330;1424679592;mircea_popescu;"all the other guys were fucking her, I had to rape her a little too!!1 "
1030331;1424679618;ben_vulpes;can't win for losing
1030332;1424679673;mircea_popescu;the fucking shrem defense. "i'm not an asshole, i just had to behave like one. but my real me is still intact! i'm a narcissist, my actions don't describe me!"
1030333;1424679705;ben_vulpes;shutter your busines to play guitar and avoid feds risk: get exiled from la serenissima. play with the feds: get exiled. exile yourself from the us, wither on the vine of unprofitability.
1030334;1424679724;ben_vulpes;makes me wonder what those of us desperately milking the bezzle of what drops it yields will be castigated with.
1030335;1424679727;mircea_popescu;the choices that all suck
1030336;1424679756;ben_vulpes;show me some that don't, eh?
1030337;1424679768;ben_vulpes;it's war, there's no winning.
1030338;1424679770;mircea_popescu;i'm only showing alf, he's got the ip on iot.
1030339;1424679796;mircea_popescu;shutter your busines to play guitar and avoid feds risk: get exiled from la serenissima << who was this ?
1030340;1424679815;ben_vulpes;you wrote about him at one point.
1030341;1424679826;ben_vulpes;recently, i might add.
1030342;1424679830;mircea_popescu;that narrows it down...
1030343;1424680095;ben_vulpes;well i can't find it.
1030344;1424680118;ben_vulpes;some bitcointalk.org person who shuttered their own operation preemptively.
1030345;1424680136;mircea_popescu;you don't mean the gerald davis / death&taxes guy ?
1030346;1424680153;ben_vulpes;wasn't he just wrong?
1030347;1424680197;ben_vulpes;ah no
1030348;1424680198;mircea_popescu;a year ago ?
1030349;1424680210;ben_vulpes;i am simply low on brain and reading comprehension this evening.
1030350;1424680214;mircea_popescu;i don't give a shit some dude shutters his business
1030351;1424680215;*;ben_vulpes rereads the article in question
1030352;1424680227;mircea_popescu;but if he comes back 18 months later as an expert witness on the shithead parade...
1030353;1424680238;mircea_popescu;he's going to get asked a few hard questions. such as, "who the fuck is paying your bills."
1030354;1424680308;ben_vulpes;i see, i see.
1030355;1424680329;ben_vulpes;(little, late and only with others' light)
1030356;1424680379;mircea_popescu;note that he's actually not answered it, either.
1030357;1424680412;mircea_popescu;went in without a plan. rather typical of the entirely fucktarded level of these people lately.
1030358;1424680424;mircea_popescu;"nobody could have foreseen we'd get asked questions..."
1030359;1424680514;ben_vulpes;while i'm up and it's quiet, what is the point of this new 'license' of yours?
1030360;1424680554;ben_vulpes;on the face of it (and granted, i'm tired and slow), it seems this license would only ever prevent folks from using anything so licensed.
1030361;1424680571;*;ben_vulpes rereads *again*
1030362;1424680619;ben_vulpes;is it one of those "virulent" licenses? that nominally made things into which their licensed source was rolled also "open" source?
1030363;1424680667;mircea_popescu;it just makes it impossible for fiat businesses to use any of our software.
1030364;1424680822;ben_vulpes;more software. just what the world needs.
1030365;1424680879;mircea_popescu;it's just a logical gate is all.
1030366;1424680890;mircea_popescu;only allows flow one way.
1030367;1424681078;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24141 @ 0.00040361 = 9.7435 BTC [-] {2} 
1030368;1424681139;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 53809 @ 0.00039538 = 21.275 BTC [-] {4} 
1030369;1424682246;mats;https://github.com/80vul/phpcodz/blob/master/research/pch-020.md rip ya ten year old workhorse
1030370;1424682247;assbot;phpcodz/pch-020.md at master · 80vul/phpcodz · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1LtJqgQ )
1030371;1424682542;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5300 @ 0.00039317 = 2.0838 BTC [-]
1030372;1424684555;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31567 @ 0.00041168 = 12.9955 BTC [+] {2} 
1030373;1424685531;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 47000 @ 0.0004044 = 19.0068 BTC [-] {3} 
1030374;1424686812;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22868 @ 0.00039389 = 9.0075 BTC [-]
1030375;1424688284;punkman;asciilifeform: ditto for the opiate 'vaccine' << from what I've read on the internets, suboxone is not such a bad thing
1030376;1424688398;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27450 @ 0.00040388 = 11.0865 BTC [+] {2} 
1030377;1424688517;punkman;unbalanced: Did I see a bitbet.py somewhere in the past month or so? That sounded neat. << you can find my bitbet calculator/tracker here https://bitbucket.org/abfg/bitbet.py
1030378;1424688518;assbot;  abfg / bitbet.py   — Bitbucket ... ( http://bit.ly/17Mq21a )
1030379;1424689467;punkman;unbalanced: I can reduce the data cleaning chore << punkman occasionally does data-cleaning/dedupe/linkage/acquisition work for hire
1030380;1424690042;punkman;BingoBoingo: cazalla: Once you need fillings in  "working locations" the choices are metallic and durable or "natural"  and the dentist's annuity << better dentist also helps. I have a couple front teeth chips with the "natural" fillings, never had to replace.
1030381;1424690603;cazalla;punkman, i've had the left front tooth done about 10 years back, that one has lasted, right one around the same time but it got chipped months back, bit pissed off this one has chipped so early but i gnaw bones and shit too so who knows
1030382;1424690620;fluffypony;cazalla: are you a dingo?
1030383;1424690622;punkman;don't gnaw bones :P
1030384;1424690643;cazalla;ya don't love a good bone?
1030385;1424690681;punkman;asciilifeform: picture autoimmune destruction of the reward centres << I thought the principle was to trigger immune response against cocaine molecule, not reward centre
1030386;1424690815;punkman;cazalla, sure had a nice lamb roast yesterday.
1030387;1424690822;cazalla;hey me too
1030388;1424690858;punkman;today is octopus day, also known as Clean Monday
1030389;1424691030;cazalla;i wish we could get good seafood here, a lot of it is shipped in from interstate or worse
1030390;1424691157;punkman;mediterranean is fucked too, we have to import a lot of ocean fish
1030391;1424691746;mats;5:44:43 <+punkman> asciilifeform: ditto for the opiate 'vaccine' << from what I've read on the internets, suboxone is not such a bad thing <<
1030392;1424691765;mats;has really awful withdrawals
1030393;1424691811;punkman;(also nothing to do with vaccine)
1030394;1424692020;punkman;mats, is it any better than methadone?
1030395;1424692437;mats;its safer, but folks sometimes develop suicidal ideation after a few months
1030396;1424692469;mats;and from all reports it seems thats preferable to beating withdrawal
1030397;1424692563;mats;http://nationalpainreport.com/suboxone-new-drug-epidemic-8821747.html
1030398;1424692565;assbot;     Suboxone: The New Drug Epidemic? - National Pain Report ... ( http://bit.ly/1BFnijJ )
1030399;1424694803;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20100 @ 0.00040053 = 8.0507 BTC [-] {2} 
1030400;1424695061;BingoBoingo;<mats> 5:44:43 <+punkman> asciilifeform: ditto for the opiate 'vaccine' << from what I've read on the internets, suboxone is not such a bad thing << Suboxone is not vaccine, merely partial agonist, does not trigger immune response
1030401;1424695071;BingoBoingo;effect also lacks permanence
1030402;1424695646;chetty;http://www.marketwatch.com/story/the-us-governments-stupid-tax-war-on-expatriates-2015-02-20?dist=beforebell
1030403;1424695648;assbot;The U.S. government’s stupid tax war on expatriates - MarketWatch ... ( http://bit.ly/1ABwdjh )
1030404;1424695962;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 58711 @ 0.00040207 = 23.6059 BTC [+] {2} 
1030405;1424696023;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3889 @ 0.00040651 = 1.5809 BTC [+]
1030406;1424696401;punkman;" the numbers renouncing U.S. citizenship jumped  14% to a new record last year. While the official number is “only”  3,400, that number is apparently understated, and surveys suggest the  number who may follow suit is in the millions."
1030407;1424696500;punkman;http://lkml.iu.edu/hypermail/linux/kernel/1502.2/04059.html
1030408;1424696501;assbot;Linux-Kernel Archive: Linux 4.0-rc1 out.. ... ( http://bit.ly/1AByNFS )
1030409;1424696517;punkman;"Because the people have spoken, and while most of it was complete gibberish, numbers don't lie. People preferred 4.0, and 4.0 it shall be. Unless somebody can come up with a good argument against it."
1030410;1424696938;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6179 @ 0.00039867 = 2.4634 BTC [-]
1030411;1424697059;danielpbarron;height=220362 vs height=190061
1030412;1424697066;chetty;<punkman> " the numbers renouncing U.S. citizenship jumped  14% to a new record last year. While the official number is �only�  3,400, that number is apparently understated, and surveys suggest the  number who may follow suit is in the millions."// its very simply a new sort of 'wall'
1030413;1424697304;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 37968 @ 0.00039603 = 15.0365 BTC [-] {3} 
1030414;1424697853;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5300 @ 0.00039317 = 2.0838 BTC [-]
1030415;1424698829;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28400 @ 0.0004092 = 11.6213 BTC [+] {2} 
1030416;1424699675;PeterL;asciilifeform: RE stuff made in Africa: some of my clothes are made in sub-saharan africa
1030417;1424699772;BingoBoingo;lol, "should we really be blaming superfish?" https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=9093691
1030418;1424699774;assbot;even thgough im Palestinian and these guys are Israeli, should we really be blam... | Hacker News ... ( http://bit.ly/1wfGUJD )
1030419;1424700293;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12350 @ 0.00040999 = 5.0634 BTC [+] {2} 
1030420;1424701025;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30402 @ 0.0004124 = 12.5378 BTC [+]
1030421;1424703226;mats;http://imgur.com/9otHhB7
1030422;1424703227;assbot;                        Imgur ... ( http://bit.ly/1vsfHD0 )
1030423;1424703363;BingoBoingo;https://i.imgur.com/vEpz9Kz.gif
1030424;1424703365;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1A0Lypy )
1030425;1424703467;mircea_popescu;"i am a white male" orly.
1030426;1424703541;Adlai;3rd ¶ reeks of lamarckism
1030427;1424703588;mircea_popescu;ahaha young father, is 27.
1030428;1424703595;mircea_popescu;what the shit.
1030429;1424703643;mircea_popescu;ima use this thing as a teaching aid.
1030430;1424703702;mircea_popescu;wait, wants to impregnate woman next month ?
1030431;1424703707;mircea_popescu;wtf is wrong with people.
1030432;1424703794;nubbins`;or 13 months from now
1030433;1424703797;nubbins`;but by then he'll be 28
1030434;1424703823;mircea_popescu;nono he doesn't want to wait a full year
1030435;1424703829;mircea_popescu;besides by then dota 5 will be out
1030436;1424703830;nubbins`;this TLP blog is fun to read but i feel like reading it makes me feel like i understand things better than i actually do
1030437;1424703840;nubbins`;dota 5? /me cuts off dick, throws in trash
1030438;1424703882;mircea_popescu;don't get drastic nubbins`
1030439;1424703885;mircea_popescu;your dick can have middle lane.
1030440;1424703945;nubbins`;better middle lane than middling pain
1030441;1424703975;nubbins`;oh, here's one about women wearing makeup
1030442;1424703978;*;nubbins` rubs hands together
1030443;1424703990;mircea_popescu;you know back before the world went nuts, my mother was in the maternity ward about to deliver me, as a 22 yo college grad.
1030444;1424703999;mircea_popescu;with her, a 17yo and a 18yo
1030445;1424704005;mircea_popescu;doctor berated her for "waiting so long!"
1030446;1424704065;nubbins`;22yo college grad, now there's a thing you see less and less
1030447;1424704076;nubbins`;"i'm taking a year to find myself"
1030448;1424704083;nubbins`;"i'm doing __ for my gap year"
1030449;1424704100;nubbins`;^ why not just be honest to yourself ;/
1030450;1424704105;mircea_popescu;ya srsly.
1030451;1424704112;mircea_popescu;it was fucking shameful then to not have a degree by 22.
1030452;1424704137;mircea_popescu;anyway, my dad was 23 (army). and nofcuking body thought this is young.
1030453;1424704147;mircea_popescu;everyone thought this is werdly late, but fucken intellectuals, nutty.
1030454;1424704296;nubbins`;i'm not sure what romania was like in the late 70s but i feel like the average age of post-secondary graduation directly correlates to how soft things are in that place
1030455;1424704307;ben_vulpes;<mircea_popescu> cuz you liked teh woman, foo. << i see this coming
1030456;1424704353;mircea_popescu;nubbins` let me put it this way : romania had mandatory universal male draft.
1030457;1424704362;mircea_popescu;9 months IF you went to college. 15 otherwise.
1030458;1424704366;nubbins`;heh
1030459;1424704379;nubbins`;a lot can happen in 6 months in the armed forces
1030460;1424704393;nubbins`;second-best korea still has this, btw
1030461;1424704396;mircea_popescu;like what, derpy dude gets weaned ?
1030462;1424704399;nubbins`;i think it's two years tho
1030463;1424704411;mircea_popescu;many countries still do, esp in the east of russia.
1030464;1424704433;nubbins`;upside of this is that every korean male, at least ostensibly, earned a blackbelt in taekwondo
1030465;1424704434;mircea_popescu;i don't believe it's a bad idea. if shiva tasked me with fixing west, it's one of the first things i'd do.
1030466;1424704442;nubbins`;but, y'know. "earned".
1030467;1424704462;mircea_popescu;fail that, castration.
1030468;1424704462;nubbins`;a universal draft would fix the west?
1030469;1424704472;nubbins`;wait, no, i see it
1030470;1424704478;nubbins`;wasn't looking ahead far enough 8)
1030471;1424704502;mircea_popescu;nubbins` 9 months with gunnery sargeant hartman, on the understanding that if you fail you get your balls chopped off and spend the rest of your life = the next few years chained to a wall in a brothel for arab fags.
1030472;1424704546;nubbins`;see, thing is
1030473;1424704548;mircea_popescu;meanwhile teh girls can learn useful lyf skills. http://33.media.tumblr.com/66bf2bc1ffec28419c2963ad2ff6f001/tumblr_ngxp86d8to1rdc5oto1_400.gif
1030474;1424704554;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1A0OzGE )
1030475;1424704563;nubbins`;once everyone's in the military, they gotta /do something/ with all these soldiers!
1030476;1424704570;mircea_popescu;paint rocks.
1030477;1424704574;nubbins`;too passive
1030478;1424704580;danielpbarron;have you played dota or just heard of it?
1030479;1424704586;nubbins`;i think it's a video game
1030480;1424704590;mircea_popescu;romania had universal draft for a century, never started a war.
1030481;1424704596;mircea_popescu;danielpbarron i just heard of it.
1030482;1424704601;nubbins`;romania was a different brand of retarded
1030483;1424704635;nubbins`;you think if the american military suddenly is awash in bodies, they won't start sending them places for the sake of doing it?
1030484;1424704644;mircea_popescu;but i think it's the one derived from old warcraft 2, except you get a single hero and no "resources" per se, get wood/gold to level them by killing npcs
1030485;1424704657;mircea_popescu;nubbins` i'd be running things, not fucking dod.
1030486;1424704662;Adlai;"paint rocks." << there's this idf saying: "if it moves, salute it; if it doesn't, pick it up; if you can't, paint it"
1030487;1424704665;nubbins`;wood? sounds like die siedler von catan
1030488;1424704667;mircea_popescu;i'd have them handpicking cotton if it comes to it.
1030489;1424704686;mircea_popescu;nubbins` i meant "resources" as in warcraft2. whatever, vespene gas and the othe rone
1030490;1424704692;mircea_popescu;i think in dota it's "gold" and "experience"
1030491;1424704700;*;nubbins` shrugs helplessly
1030492;1424704703;danielpbarron;pretty much, except it was warcraft3 (some might say it started in starcraft as Aeon of Strife)
1030493;1424704711;mircea_popescu;Adlai sounds bout right.
1030494;1424704726;nubbins`;mircea_popescu you most certainly wouldn't. you'd have them fighting overseas!
1030495;1424704737;mircea_popescu;no i wouldn't.
1030496;1424704780;nubbins`;i'm talking about the "you" that doesn't exist, but in this alternate world where you'd be ostensibly an american in charge of american troops
1030497;1424704803;mircea_popescu;the ONLY way i'd have them fighting overseas is if congress approves this plan whereby a) all territory we step on gets granted territory status ; b) soldiers once veteranized are rewarded in homesteads there, and HAVE TO marry local
1030498;1424704817;nubbins`;o look
1030499;1424704824;mircea_popescu;either do it right or don't do it.
1030500;1424704842;mike_c;machiavelli would say that obama should go live there awhile.
1030501;1424704858;mircea_popescu;hey, i wouldn't have any problem living with these dudes.
1030502;1424704869;mircea_popescu;it's the New Whiner York that i don't care for.
1030503;1424704916;asciilifeform;traditional ru draft << plenty of derppathologies there despite the mega-curative 1yr painting grass green
1030504;1424704919;mike_c;he said when you conquer, the prince has got to go live there to make the locals happy.  and it sounds right to me.
1030505;1424704926;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform nevertheless.
1030506;1424704965;mircea_popescu;imagine, you sign up for the military, you get the guarantee that you'll be pushing shit uphill for a coupla decades, then when you're fortysomething you get a farm and an ethnic bride.
1030507;1424704986;mike_c;worked for rome
1030508;1424704986;asciilifeform;civis romanus sum!
1030509;1424704989;mircea_popescu;"army'll make men out of you. dead or alive - that's up to you."
1030510;1424704992;mircea_popescu;new slogan.
1030511;1424705026;mircea_popescu;none of this "army of one" narcisiac bs.
1030512;1424705035;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: that one was actually cancelled
1030513;1424705047;mircea_popescu;not FPS enough ?
1030514;1424705054;mircea_popescu;is it "army of just you" now ?
1030515;1424705066;asciilifeform;iirc the last one i saw was 'be all you can be'
1030516;1424705084;mike_c;be all you can be was before army of one as far as i remember
1030517;1424705091;asciilifeform;then dunno
1030518;1424705104;mike_c;"army strong" is current
1030519;1424705112;mircea_popescu;aww, they missed out on the obvious neuroticism ? "be all you can be. and more." ???
1030520;1424705118;mike_c;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slogans_of_the_United_States_Army
1030521;1424705119;assbot;Slogans of the United States Army - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ... ( http://bit.ly/1AnwFmn )
1030522;1424705132;mircea_popescu;mike_c apparently reading comprehension on the downtrend huh ?
1030523;1424705137;mircea_popescu;maybe next is "Nice. Good."
1030524;1424705146;mike_c;army gud 4 u
1030525;1424705159;mircea_popescu;gud4u, gud4me!
1030526;1424705177;nubbins`;i thought boston was strong
1030527;1424705181;nubbins`;the army is too?
1030528;1424705184;mircea_popescu;boston took over.
1030529;1424705195;*;nubbins` counts bombs
1030530;1424705196;nubbins`;hmmm
1030531;1424705196;mircea_popescu;they're not even allowing those wisconsin and indiana poofters in.
1030532;1424705205;asciilifeform;i occasionally dig into vintage u.s. newspapers, magazines. interestingly, army ads from the '50s-'60s dwell on the 'sharp look' of the uniform.
1030533;1424705225;asciilifeform;'be sharp, look sharp'
1030534;1424705226;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform well, that was calculated. what happened in 1945-49 ?
1030535;1424705230;nubbins`;^ my dad was married in his (canadian) coast guard uniform
1030536;1424705238;mircea_popescu;all the kids that were 10 then musta noticed the flurry of panties
1030537;1424705242;mircea_popescu;so... gotta sell it.
1030538;1424705263;nubbins`;sure
1030539;1424705266;mircea_popescu;nubbins` what's that like, elk horn hat, maple syrup pants ?
1030540;1424705272;nubbins`;heh.
1030541;1424705273;asciilifeform;it's almost a wonder that 18th c. 'gussar' uniforms didn't make a comeback
1030542;1424705276;asciilifeform;complete with hat
1030543;1424705297;nubbins`;double-button jacket w/ gold trim on the cuffs
1030544;1424705300;nubbins`;epaulettes too, i guess
1030545;1424705301;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform honestly, you could make some pretty epic uniforms for the drone flying division
1030546;1424705303;mircea_popescu;they're indoors anyway
1030547;1424705308;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: precisely
1030548;1424705323;asciilifeform;they really ought to wear their napoleonic best
1030549;1424705330;nubbins`;well, looking like a slob was a lot less acceptable in the 50s-60s too
1030550;1424705335;nubbins`;it's almost expected now
1030551;1424705379;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform traditional ru draft << plenty of derppathologies   << yes. but they're pathologies rather than the fucking core.
1030552;1424705410;asciilifeform;when i worked for (not in, must note) u.s. army, the thing that always got me was the pixellation on their camos
1030553;1424705430;thestringpuller;nubbins`: 22yo college grad, now there's a thing you see less and less << took me 7 years to get through GATech. Failed Calculus like 9 times.
1030554;1424705435;asciilifeform;everyone looked like the weakest monster from 'doom'
1030555;1424705476;mircea_popescu;punkman: I thought the principle was to trigger immune response against cocaine molecule, not reward centre <<< you don't understand how immune works! you can only target particular proteins, which coke is not.
1030556;1424705500;asciilifeform;also the notion of deploying immune reaction against small molecule...
1030557;1424705503;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform mooks lol
1030558;1424705510;asciilifeform;srsly pixels
1030559;1424705518;mircea_popescu;cheaper.
1030560;1424705530;asciilifeform;big enough to see from musketry range
1030561;1424705556;asciilifeform;i caught myself wondering if it was designed in 'ms paint'
1030562;1424705612;mircea_popescu;how often would you say an us army / marine / etc fights within visual range of anything that'd even remotely qualify as an enemy ?
1030563;1424705620;PeterL;creating immune response to small molecules would be hard to controll, you would just end up allergic to everything
1030564;1424705621;mircea_popescu;such as i dunno, a bush an enemy pissed on sometime this week
1030565;1424705636;mircea_popescu;PeterL fortunately body's smarter than you, won't take.
1030566;1424705659;*;asciilifeform read up on the cocaine vaccine thing. will note that even if it works as claimed (no blood-brain barrier penetration) - the net effect, if everybody were injected, is simply to multiply the standard dose of coke for man by 1.5x or so
1030567;1424705669;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=23-02-2015#1030406 << look at that, marketwatch is reading last year's b-a logs
1030568;1424705669;assbot;Logged on 23-02-2015 13:00:01; punkman: " the numbers renouncing U.S. citizenship jumped  14% to a new record last year. While the official number is “only”  3,400, that number is apparently understated, and surveys suggest the  number who may follow suit is in the millions."
1030569;1424705754;mircea_popescu;"So far, the arguments against it seem to have been "major numebr
1030570;1424705754;mircea_popescu;should go with a major new feature or breaking of compatibility",
1030571;1424705754;mircea_popescu;which just shows how little people know. We don't break compatibility,
1030572;1424705754;mircea_popescu;and we haven't done feature-based releases since basically forever."
1030573;1424705757;mircea_popescu;gotta love torvalds lol
1030574;1424705783;nubbins`;asciilifeform so the cocaine sold in usa would now have to be 30-40% pure instead of 20%?
1030575;1424705791;asciilifeform;nubbins`: aha
1030576;1424705802;nubbins`;that's gonna hit the glucosamine suppliers where it hurts.
1030577;1424705816;asciilifeform;nubbins`: the coke 'barons' would be the first to push for 'vaccine' if it had any threat of working
1030578;1424705834;nubbins`;(phun phact, gym rats like coke and weighlifting supplements are invariably white powders)
1030579;1424705886;mircea_popescu;i guess i will annoy everyone if i say i'm not particularly fond of coke ?
1030580;1424705924;*;asciilifeform hasn't used it, cannot say if fond or not
1030581;1424705940;mircea_popescu;what the fuck is the point of living in wash dc
1030582;1424705945;mircea_popescu;srsly now.
1030583;1424705949;nubbins`;also have never tried coke
1030584;1424705962;nubbins`;i like things way too much to justify trying it
1030585;1424705999;nubbins`;besides, i definitely do not want to snort weightlifting supplements
1030586;1424706032;mircea_popescu;i don't think you can confuse cocaine with anything else.
1030587;1424706048;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: i think he're referring to the dilutants
1030588;1424706065;mircea_popescu;so buy it clean cut it with sugar.
1030589;1424706104;asciilifeform;iirc this is not usually possible in small quantity
1030590;1424706155;asciilifeform;sorta like asking to have -one- aluminum cd pressed.
1030591;1424706166;mircea_popescu;eh get out. they won't tell you this, but a good half of the captured stuff - on the street - is actually pure.
1030592;1424706171;nubbins`;"so buy it clean" o.O
1030593;1424706179;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: captured from dealers
1030594;1424706183;nubbins`;^
1030595;1424706198;mircea_popescu;"dealers" doesn't mean what it used to mean 30 years ago.
1030596;1424706208;asciilifeform;it is, as i understand, a severe taboo among them, to sell it undiluted
1030597;1424706211;mircea_popescu;people are so fucking poor now a bag qualifies you as a wholesaler.
1030598;1424706215;nubbins`;someone who isn't me has witnessed dealers receive new shipment, open bag, set several spoonfuls aside for sef, then dump 8-10 tbsp of random white in there
1030599;1424706230;nubbins`;*self
1030600;1424706247;nubbins`;if pure cocaine was sold here, people would overdose
1030601;1424706256;mircea_popescu;nubbins` pure is the safest by far.
1030602;1424706261;asciilifeform;i suppose if you have any schooling whatsoever, you can recrystallize it if you want
1030603;1424706265;mircea_popescu;otherwise you accidentally hit a 50% as if it were a 20% and bam
1030604;1424706273;nubbins`;asciilifeform you don't need schooling to make crack
1030605;1424706290;nubbins`;mircea_popescu pure being the only thing around is safest, sure.
1030606;1424706299;nubbins`;but dealers care less about safe and more about $$
1030607;1424706306;asciilifeform;recrystallize != use it as crystal
1030608;1424706308;asciilifeform;necessarily
1030609;1424706315;nubbins`;do you think that guy even googled "can you snort glucosamine" before cutting his stash?
1030610;1424706320;nubbins`;because i know for a fact that he didn't
1030611;1424706326;mircea_popescu;actually iirc pulp fiction revolves around guy getting a proper bag and dumb ho hitting it as if it were the stuff she normally gets in clubs
1030612;1424706339;nubbins`;mircea_popescu that was actually a bag of white heroin :D
1030613;1424706345;nubbins`;that the girl snorted as coke
1030614;1424706351;mircea_popescu;o it was ?
1030615;1424706354;nubbins`;ya
1030616;1424706358;mircea_popescu;yeah right, cause he was shooting it up yeah
1030617;1424706362;nubbins`;hence her heart stopping, 3 stabs to chest, etc
1030618;1424706367;mircea_popescu;right
1030619;1424706375;nubbins`;("no! you only stab her once!")
1030620;1424706386;mircea_popescu;that was so fucking stupiod.
1030621;1424706388;nubbins`;but for srs, people have heart attacks on coke all the time
1030622;1424706394;mircea_popescu;what was that needle made out of, neutronium ?
1030623;1424706417;nubbins`;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intracardiac_injection
1030624;1424706418;assbot;Intracardiac injection - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ... ( http://bit.ly/1AnD40P )
1030625;1424706437;asciilifeform;nubbins`: folks also have heart attacks in exercise, in the shitter, while shovelling dirt, etc.
1030626;1424706466;nubbins`;asciilifeform: now imagine today's exercise/shit/dirt pile is at 100% (or even 80%) strength instead of 20%
1030627;1424706473;nubbins`;but it looks the same
1030628;1424706479;asciilifeform;nubbins`: well yes
1030629;1424706484;nubbins`;:D
1030630;1424706489;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform actually the most common circumstance-driven attack is, older sedentary white male goes out to shovel snow.
1030631;1424706494;nubbins`;this is why the purity of coke will not rise
1030632;1424706495;mircea_popescu;goes back inside, warmth, poof.
1030633;1424706511;asciilifeform;nubbins`: opiate users typically od, paradoxically, after successfully quitting and then doing a bit again 'for old time's sake'
1030634;1424706515;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3800 @ 0.00039322 = 1.4942 BTC [-] {2} 
1030635;1424706517;mircea_popescu;^
1030636;1424706521;mircea_popescu;but that's heroin.
1030637;1424706522;nubbins`;asciilifeform some of my favourite musicians died this way
1030638;1424706524;asciilifeform;they take their customary dose, having lost the tolerance
1030639;1424706530;nubbins`;bradley nowell, 1996, 7 days after marriage
1030640;1424706530;asciilifeform;aha this is specific to opium
1030641;1424706546;asciilifeform;e.g, death of vysotsky
1030642;1424706550;thestringpuller;$bids mpoe
1030643;1424706558;thestringpuller;ah
1030644;1424706563;nubbins`;opiate users can reach terrifically high levels of tolerance
1030645;1424706581;nubbins`;to the point where a dose lethal in another man will maybe stop their headache.
1030646;1424706587;asciilifeform;lethal in elephant
1030647;1424706596;*;nubbins` pulls out remaining stops
1030648;1424706603;nubbins`;lethal in elephant!
1030649;1424706642;nubbins`;anyway, worth noting that most recording musicians who tried heroin produced some of their best work while in the depths
1030650;1424706660;mircea_popescu;anyway, clean gets you rid of all the stupid shit, anti worm medicine, drywall, w/e the fuck
1030651;1424706675;nubbins`;^
1030652;1424706695;nubbins`;reminds me of the time SWIM bought some adulterated marijuana
1030653;1424706698;nubbins`;(not kidding)
1030654;1424706705;asciilifeform;i've always wondered why american dope aficionados don't follow the 1980s soviet example and all switch to making (or at least refining) what they use personally
1030655;1424706724;nubbins`;y'know how good dope has that covered-in-crystal look from all the resin-y trichomes?
1030656;1424706725;mircea_popescu;and speaking of which... everyone i suppose is familiar with the otherworldly beauty of potassium permanganate ?
1030657;1424706733;asciilifeform;(the first popular dope in ussr was what is today called meth, but there was no market in the usual sense. folks who took it, usually made it)
1030658;1424706741;nubbins`;well, shitty dope doesn't have that, but if you spritz it with saline...
1030659;1424706745;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform got as better question for you. why do us dumb broads not switch to cooking at home ?
1030660;1424706756;mircea_popescu;"oh, its a recession" "learned how to cook yet ?" "wut?!?!?!"
1030661;1424706757;nubbins`;asciilifeform lack of skill.
1030662;1424706760;nubbins`;asciilifeform:
1030663;1424706763;nubbins`;;;google krokodil
1030664;1424706764;gribble;Krokodil - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Krokodil>; Krokodil (Desomorphine) Drug: Effects, Abuse & Warnings - Drugs ...: <http://www.drugs.com/illicit/krokodil.html>; The World's Deadliest Drug: Inside a Krokodil Cookhouse | TIME: <http://time.com/3398086/the-worlds-deadliest-drug-inside-a-krokodil-cookhouse/>
1030665;1424706767;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: no idea. the woman - cooks
1030666;1424706772;nubbins`;that's what they're cooking at home these days
1030667;1424706784;mircea_popescu;yeah but you two aren't really people. you're in here.
1030668;1424706800;asciilifeform;nubbins`: when opiates took off, the approach failed
1030669;1424706819;nubbins`;no krokodil here, too many prescription opiates to abuse
1030670;1424706834;nubbins`;until they took oxycontin off the market
1030671;1424706840;nubbins`;and all the addicts just vanished
1030672;1424706842;asciilifeform;not because harder to synthesize, but because not a performance-enhancer that sets one going strong in the kitchen thinking of new methods
1030673;1424706843;nubbins`;OH WAIT THEY DIDN'T
1030674;1424706852;mircea_popescu;is this krokodil thing actually as widely used as teh "horrors in russia" ussa press makes it sound /
1030675;1424706853;nubbins`;heh
1030676;1424706860;nubbins`;opiates are definitely not a production-enhancer
1030677;1424706883;nubbins`;mircea_popescu seems like meth in the usa -- cheap, so poor destitute people in poor destitute towns love it
1030678;1424706897;nubbins`;there's a short Vice documentary on it, if you can stand to watch
1030679;1424706906;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: my impression is that it isn't. just a very marginal synthesis with the byproducts left in, with various grotesque 'zombie' aesthetic of decaying user. makes up in sensationalism for what lacks in actual 'epidemiology.'
1030680;1424706909;nubbins`;;;google vice krokodil
1030681;1424706910;gribble;Siberia: Krokodil Tears | VICE | United States: <http://www.vice.com/video/siberia-krokodil-tears-full-length>; Siberia: Krokodil Tears | VICE | United States: <http://www.vice.com/video/siberia-krokodil-tears-part-1>; Krokodil: Russia's Deadliest Drug (NSFW) - YouTube: <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JsUH8llvTZo>
1030682;1424706912;nubbins`;^
1030683;1424706926;mircea_popescu;nubbins` yeah i totally want to hear what vice has to say o.O
1030684;1424706929;nubbins`;heh.
1030685;1424706941;nubbins`;thye show people cooking it!
1030686;1424706942;asciilifeform;fact is, every modern product 'for the poor' is a kind of krokodil
1030687;1424706953;nubbins`;"now we add the eye drops" "why?" "makes it stronger"
1030688;1424706954;nubbins`;...
1030689;1424706981;nubbins`;"now we collapse a major vein in our arms"
1030690;1424707038;mircea_popescu;"why ? "
1030691;1424707041;mircea_popescu;"makes it stronger"
1030692;1424707046;nubbins`;heh
1030693;1424707062;nubbins`;anyway, as actually derpy as everything Vice produces is
1030694;1424707065;asciilifeform;'stronger', if means anything, probably meant 'burns more when injected'
1030695;1424707072;nubbins`;the krokodil doc is gross enough to distract from it
1030696;1424707088;nubbins`;asciilifeform definitely was not an ingredient in the reaction they were trying to make occur.
1030697;1424707104;nubbins`;something along the lines of the "chili powder" meth in breaking bad
1030698;1424707105;mircea_popescu;"So what the hell do we buy now? HP's quality has hit rock bottom and is starting to dig, Lenovo is doing their best to destroy the Thinkpad brand, Asus is incapable of making a device without at least one fatal flaw... is Apple the only one making laptops that aren't garbage anymroe?"
1030699;1424707111;mircea_popescu;methinks the consumer has a legitimate question
1030700;1424707112;nubbins`;except you don't inject meth into your bloodstream
1030701;1424707119;mircea_popescu;"what should i get for this weekend, meth or krok ?!~?!?!"
1030702;1424707120;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: to which there is no answer
1030703;1424707129;mircea_popescu;not for him anyway.
1030704;1424707132;asciilifeform;or rather, the answer from the film 'war games'
1030705;1424707141;BingoBoingo;<nubbins`> except you don't inject meth into your bloodstream << Sometimes actually used in this manner
1030706;1424707143;asciilifeform;'the only winning move is: not to play'
1030707;1424707157;nubbins`;BingoBoingo :0 i guess the chili powder will work about as well as the eyedrops, then
1030708;1424707161;thestringpuller;;;ticker
1030709;1424707162;gribble;Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 235.82, Best ask: 236.54, Bid-ask spread: 0.72000, Last trade: 236.57, 24 hour volume: 7044.67533017, 24 hour low: 232.05, 24 hour high: 238.87, 24 hour vwap: 235.887385513
1030710;1424707199;asciilifeform;the basic concept, as PeterL (chemist?) will attest, is that a synthesis doesn't necessarily (and most often) produce only one thing. each step will result in one or more unwanted substances, including everything that failed to react in previous steps
1030711;1424707215;asciilifeform;some of the costliest operations in traditional pharma industry are recrystallizations/purifications
1030712;1424707260;asciilifeform;hence for every type of -synthetic- (vs. refined from vegetation) dope, there is at least one 'krokodilian' variant where the folks making it didn't see it fit to bother with this detail.
1030713;1424707262;chetty;and todays propaganda prize goes to: http://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/health-and-families/health-news/revealed-the-countries-with-the-best-and-worst-diets-in-the-world-10057363.html
1030714;1424707264;assbot;Revealed: the countries with the best and worst diets in the world - Health News - Health & Families - The Independent ... ( http://bit.ly/1AnH69o )
1030715;1424707301;asciilifeform;(anybody else here take o-chem in school... other than PeterL and i)
1030716;1424707308;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7589 @ 0.00039394 = 2.9896 BTC [+]
1030717;1424707365;BingoBoingo;Took a semester of o-chem in highschool
1030718;1424707394;nubbins`;asciilifeform when i was in colombia, there was a byproduct called "bazouk" or similar
1030719;1424707401;nubbins`;made from leavings of the coca process
1030720;1424707412;asciilifeform;aha refinement waste, yes, also exists
1030721;1424707438;nubbins`;colombia 7/10 would not revisit
1030722;1424707439;PeterL;sometimes for o-chem reaction a 40% yield is a good day
1030723;1424707452;asciilifeform;and not only for dope. in usa restaurants have been selling 'fashionable' multi-grain bread. which i fully expect is made from shavings of cutting other kinds of bread at the bakeries
1030724;1424707454;BingoBoingo;chetty: Mega lol, Africa wins nutrition
1030725;1424707467;nubbins`;heh.
1030726;1424707479;asciilifeform;PeterL: 40% is a dream for 'cellar chemists'
1030727;1424707485;nubbins`;betcha they use white flour with a handful of other grains mixed in
1030728;1424707498;asciilifeform;who lack Pd/Pt catalysts, high-pressure vessels, even a proper vacuum
1030729;1424707521;asciilifeform;and hence are more or less stuck with 1840s state of the art
1030730;1424707527;*;nubbins` adds wheat germ, crushed flax, hempseed, rolled oats to bread
1030731;1424707583;nubbins`;and it costs 20% of what store-bought devitaminized bread does!
1030732;1424707596;PeterL;on some multi-step reactions, think 50% yield 4 times, and you are lucky to have 6% of what you started with
1030733;1424707603;asciilifeform;aha
1030734;1424707633;PeterL;alot of what I was doing the past 3 years involved trying to get %yields higher
1030735;1424707645;asciilifeform;and the remaining filling in the flask, hasn't gone anywhere, but has to be removed somehow.
1030736;1424707657;asciilifeform;this is what the clandestine chemists don't always bother with.
1030737;1424707735;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 32898 @ 0.0004124 = 13.5671 BTC [+]
1030738;1424708833;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11178 @ 0.0004124 = 4.6098 BTC [+]
1030739;1424709327;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform> (anybody else here take o-chem in school << originally, 9yo me despised ochem, because no great flames like sulphur | potassium chloride etc.
1030740;1424709332;mircea_popescu;then me discovered nitropaper.
1030741;1424709346;mircea_popescu;chetty so who has best diet ? japan ?
1030742;1424709463;mircea_popescu;"Regarding the VCs, I would give them the benefit of the doubt as well. What where they pitched?"
1030743;1424709473;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: The list is all African countries.
1030744;1424709480;mircea_popescu;motherfucker, why does everyone want to indemnify the vcs ? they're absolutely the only guilty party in all this.
1030745;1424709523;thestringpuller;asciilifeform: i have elementary knowledge of O-Chem. I love dat ATP Synthase (but who doesn't?)
1030746;1424709551;BingoBoingo;The countries with the healthiest diets overall were: 1. Chad 2. Sierra Leone 3. Mali 4. Gambia 5. Uganda 6. Ghana 7. Ivory Coast 8. Senegal 9. Israel 10. Somalia
1030747;1424709631;mircea_popescu;eh gtfo.
1030748;1424709642;mircea_popescu;what was this based on, "Fewest fat fucks" ?
1030749;1424709655;BingoBoingo;Prolly
1030750;1424709695;mircea_popescu;"The most reliable street test in my opinion is actually the smell of cocaine, as it has a very distinct aroma that none of the additives possess. Unfortunately, for reference, this requires you to have smelt a lot of different cocaine of certain purities, and very few people have had that opportunity. Personally, I think I could estimate cocaine purity from its scent and from looking at and tasting a few milligrams, b
1030751;1424709696;mircea_popescu;ut I�ve also handled quite a lot of different batches with known purities."
1030752;1424709705;mircea_popescu;heh. known since forever.
1030753;1424709748;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7450 @ 0.00041453 = 3.0882 BTC [+] {2} 
1030754;1424710124;mircea_popescu;and in the daily wtf : http://38.media.tumblr.com/7c2d7566582a69867da0b68c13787462/tumblr_ngsc6rN6OV1ty4fj6o1_500.gif
1030755;1424710126;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1AClSDq )
1030756;1424710319;BingoBoingo;https://www.reddit.com/r/programming/comments/2wve7e/the_superfish_funder_list/coujwz2
1030757;1424710321;assbot;Netzapper comments on The Superfish Funder List ... ( http://bit.ly/1ACmDwh )
1030758;1424710435;danielpbarron;mircea_popescu> actually iirc pulp fiction revolves around guy getting a proper bag << pulp fiction doesn't "revolve around" anything -- kinda the point
1030759;1424710442;danielpbarron;mircea_popescu> asciilifeform actually the most common circumstance-driven attack is, older sedentary white male goes  out to shovel snow. << LOL i just did such a thing / felt like i was gonna have a heart attack :/
1030760;1424710479;mircea_popescu;it's dangerous. cool temperatures favor clot formation
1030761;1424710669;BingoBoingo;!up cjc
1030762;1424710685;cjc;BingoBoingo, thanks for the !up
1030763;1424710907;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19001 @ 0.00040365 = 7.6698 BTC [-]
1030764;1424711395;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9150 @ 0.00041496 = 3.7969 BTC [+]
1030765;1424711609;thestringpuller;danielpbarron: re Pulp Fiction << revolves around that suitcase mainly, cept for "interlude of chick OD'ing"
1030766;1424711640;thestringpuller;danielpbarron: i still have nightmares about that butt rape scene.
1030767;1424711654;thestringpuller;"Are you okay?" "Nah man." "I'm pretty fucking far from okay."
1030768;1424711698;danielpbarron;Mr. About-to-spend-the-rest-of-his-short-life-in-agonizing-pain
1030769;1424711730;danielpbarron;i wouldn't say it revolves around the suitcase
1030770;1424711748;danielpbarron;the suitcase doesn't have much to do with the fixed boxing match
1030771;1424711803;danielpbarron;i suppose all the different plots relate to marcellus wallace
1030772;1424711810;thestringpuller;yea that interlude is only connected after jules retires and delivers the suitcase
1030773;1424711847;danielpbarron;(the guy who gets butt raped)
1030774;1424711849;thestringpuller;Yea I mean Wallace gets butt raped after he retrieves the suitcase. If that has any significance...I dunno
1030775;1424711882;thestringpuller;"does he look like a bitch", well zed fucked him like one. Zed's dead, but you know...
1030776;1424711892;danielpbarron;hah
1030777;1424711931;cjc;There is fixation with ass there... the story of the watch is another one.
1030778;1424711961;thestringpuller;oh christopher walken
1030779;1424711990;thestringpuller;you guise are making me miss the 90's
1030780;1424712311;mircea_popescu;yeah, pulp fiction revolves around tarantino's latent homosexuality.
1030781;1424712311;cjc;One of the problems with the 90s was... when I bought Pulp Fiction as the first DVD I purchased ever... it was in letterbox format.
1030782;1424712328;cjc;I had to wait several more years for it to be in high-def on home video.
1030783;1424712343;punkman;mircea_popescu: punkman: I thought the principle was to trigger immune response against cocaine molecule, not reward centre <<< you don't understand how immune works! << nuh uh I went to school and even paid attention sometimes!
1030784;1424712410;mircea_popescu;well can you name any tropane alkaloid that has an immune response associated ?
1030785;1424712456;punkman;nope
1030786;1424712496;mircea_popescu;by far the vast majority of immune response is to proteins. the difference is about two degrees of magnitude in molecular weight.
1030787;1424712510;mircea_popescu;some immune response is to an assortment of polysaccharids etc, but still.
1030788;1424712520;punkman;(one of the cocaine vaccines uses big cholera protein to deliver cocaine molecule)
1030789;1424712594;mircea_popescu;http://protcalc.sourceforge.net/ << this is pretty neat too.
1030790;1424712595;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/17r4A1W )
1030791;1424712701;mircea_popescu;http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3738214/ this one ?
1030792;1424712704;assbot;Interception of Cocaine by Enzyme or Antibody Delivered with Viral Gene Transfer: A Novel Strategy for Preventing Relapse in Recovering Drug Users ... ( http://bit.ly/17r4Xtr )
1030793;1424712809;punkman;nubbins`: well, shitty dope doesn't have that, but if you spritz it with saline... << if only the retards came up with saline. I've read about some assholes using spray with glass beads (the kind used to make shiny road paint) that would penetrate the flowers.
1030794;1424712841;mircea_popescu;"Since cocaine must dissociate from antibody before it can be metabolized, either in plasma or liver, such results seem surprising. " I'm willing to bet they misread the data, dun actually have a response at all, but hey.
1030795;1424713337;BingoBoingo;!up hollywoodundead
1030796;1424713355;hollywoodundead;thank you
1030797;1424713549;punkman;http://www.wired.com/2015/02/hacking-burning-man-tickets/  "I need to have a ticket to go camping in the desert"
1030798;1424713551;assbot;Hackers Cut in Line at the Burning Man Ticket Sale—And Get Caught | WIRED ... ( http://bit.ly/17r7Udw )
1030799;1424713635;[]bot;Bet created: "Bitcoin to drop under $150 before April" http://bitbet.us/bet/1123/
1030800;1424713693;pete_dushenski;"The Pirate Bay is bringing back moderators to delete spam accounts and fake Torrents" << agents finding new day jobs ?
1030801;1424713702;[]bot;Bet placed: 1.00018 BTC for Yes on "Bitcoin to drop under $150 before April" http://bitbet.us/bet/1123/ Odds: 100(Y):0(N) by coin, 100(Y):0(N) by weight. Total bet: 1.00018 BTC. Current weight: 99,997.
1030802;1424713724;punkman;pete_dushenski: what would that get them?
1030803;1424713750;pete_dushenski;plant broken seeds, remove functional ones
1030804;1424713765;pete_dushenski;malware, spyware, etc.
1030805;1424713888;[]bot;Bet created: "10% or greater incremental difficulty increase before June" http://bitbet.us/bet/1124/
1030806;1424714471;[]bot;Bet placed: 2.01644788 BTC for No on "10% or greater incremental difficulty increase before June" http://bitbet.us/bet/1124/ Odds: 1(Y):99(N) by coin, 1(Y):99(N) by weight. Total bet: 2.11644788 BTC. Current weight: 99,991.
1030807;1424714567;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 87785 @ 0.00041664 = 36.5747 BTC [+] {4} 
1030808;1424714979;pete_dushenski;"Areva, the French nuclear technology giant, warned on Monday that it was facing a loss of a magnitude that raises doubts about its ability to continue operations without an injection of state funds to restore its capital. The state-controlled company expects a 2014 net loss of about 4.9 billion euros, or $5.6 billion, from a loss of €500 million a year earlier." << blame the japs!
1030809;1424714994;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9200 @ 0.00041988 = 3.8629 BTC [+]
1030810;1424714999;pete_dushenski;though nuclear must be one hell of a tough industry
1030811;1424715319;mircea_popescu;actually it's cheap romanian electricity.
1030812;1424715343;mircea_popescu;eu market got integrated, lot of excess capacity in the east, there it goes.
1030813;1424715402;mircea_popescu;putin is hurting the west with cheap energy about 10x more than whatever "sanctions"
1030814;1424715637;pete_dushenski;is romanian leccy natural gas ?
1030815;1424715660;mircea_popescu;a good chunk is actually nuclear
1030816;1424715671;mircea_popescu;(france supported ro bid to eu chiefly because they needed ro heavy water).
1030817;1424715682;mircea_popescu;but plenty hydrocarbons.
1030818;1424715765;pete_dushenski;my foggy memory of the romanian countryside is now clearning up..
1030819;1424715774;pete_dushenski;i do recall seeing a few nuclear plants now
1030820;1424715793;pete_dushenski;french design, neh ?
1030821;1424715807;mircea_popescu;candu
1030822;1424715815;mircea_popescu;http://www.transelectrica.ro/widget/web/tel/sen-harta/-/harta_WAR_SENOperareHartaportlet << this is actually trhe current data
1030823;1424715816;assbot;Harta ... ( http://bit.ly/18g8WtQ )
1030824;1424715832;mircea_popescu;currently exporting 1gw
1030825;1424715841;pete_dushenski;lol actually, ro used candu (canadian)
1030826;1424715844;mircea_popescu;(a lot more in summer due to hydro and less hydrocarbon usage for heating)
1030827;1424715856;pete_dushenski;at least at Cernavodă
1030828;1424715880;mircea_popescu;<mircea_popescu> candu  ^^
1030829;1424715891;pete_dushenski;mircea_popescu yup! my bad!
1030830;1424715901;pete_dushenski;you're too fast for me
1030831;1424715920;BingoBoingo;!up ascii_field
1030832;1424715930;ascii_field;ty BingoBoingo
1030833;1424715939;ascii_field;http://cryptome.org/2015/02/wapo-BillCaseyHoneyPot.htm << mega-trololol
1030834;1424715944;mircea_popescu;https://www.quantcast.com/qntra.net << in which we find most hn readers are pakistani ?
1030835;1424715946;assbot;                  Qntra.net Traffic and Demographic Statistics by Quantcast                   ... ( http://bit.ly/1zsOj4H )
1030836;1424715949;ascii_field;mircea_popescu, BingoBoingo, ^^
1030837;1424716024;mircea_popescu;Would you like a MIRRORED COPY OF YOUR OWN DATABASE? FROM THAT ERA? WE HAVE IT DO YOU?
1030838;1424716028;mircea_popescu;lol. they don't, obv.
1030839;1424716073;BingoBoingo;ascii_field: One of the lizards got drunk on the interent?
1030840;1424716093;ascii_field;BingoBoingo: lizardEliza
1030841;1424716098;pete_dushenski;"DOJ - Do you have ANY IDEA - WHAT IS ON THAT TAPE ? DO YOU ?  UNITED STATES ENDS ON 1 SINGLE 3/4 INCH TAPE. ENTIRE SOVEREIGN CURRENCY ENDS
1030842;1424716101;pete_dushenski;"
1030843;1424716102;BingoBoingo;lol
1030844;1424716108;mircea_popescu;lolk
1030845;1424716146;pete_dushenski;"United States Department of State has YET TO FEEL THE WRATH OF THE LLAMACOIN "
1030846;1424716154;pete_dushenski;this guy's too good
1030847;1424716162;pete_dushenski;maybe he's on reddit
1030848;1424716231;mircea_popescu;maybe he's on lice powder.
1030849;1424716281;ascii_field;let's play however.
1030850;1424716290;ascii_field;imagine actual 3/4 inch tape
1030851;1424716300;ascii_field;therefore almost certainly, a 'u-matic'
1030852;1424716305;mircea_popescu;do i need to quote at you ?
1030853;1424716335;ascii_field;yes
1030854;1424716390;mircea_popescu;"That's what it is. There's no such thing as "an idea", for damn sure."
1030855;1424716400;mircea_popescu;that tape, it's nothing but a fetish of "an idea".
1030856;1424716408;ascii_field;well sure
1030857;1424716422;mircea_popescu;"You can't have an idea. It's not a thing, not something to "have". It's not like a chocolate cake, you get your hands on it that's that, it's yours."
1030858;1424716429;mircea_popescu;"oh what if i make it a chocolate tape then!!1"
1030859;1424716433;mircea_popescu;not how this works.
1030860;1424716439;ascii_field;trying to reverse-engineer the theatrical props here
1030861;1424716449;ascii_field;to see in what kind of studio the production was filmed.
1030862;1424716454;ascii_field;of the fantasy.
1030863;1424716460;mircea_popescu;you mean the commenter's ?
1030864;1424716462;ascii_field;aha
1030865;1424716473;mircea_popescu;he sounds like run of the mill overstimulated geek to me.
1030866;1424716479;ascii_field;usually there are obvious technical gaffes
1030867;1424716480;ascii_field;in these
1030868;1424716487;mircea_popescu;all the way down to "imagine all the people derping in harmonee"
1030869;1424716491;*;ascii_field connoisseur
1030870;1424716501;mircea_popescu;you mean ascii field_connoisseur ?
1030871;1424716508;ascii_field;mircea_popescu: yes but that's normal acid trip not technical gaffe
1030872;1424716512;ascii_field;separate the two
1030873;1424716515;mircea_popescu;aite.
1030874;1424716820;pete_dushenski;"Monsanto said Wednesday its earnings fell 34% in its first fiscal quarter" << fucken derps following cisco to the grave. such paper signers.
1030875;1424716930;mircea_popescu;ascii_field so anything good ?
1030876;1424716960;ascii_field;it's short enough, just read it
1030877;1424716963;ascii_field;good lulz
1030878;1424717006;mircea_popescu;i skimmed. was curious more in the method of separating the two, if meaningfully applicable.
1030879;1424717040;ascii_field;ELL ME - TELL ME - / TELL ME - TELL ME - TORN - MORNING / E4A966FF04DD296A41F5AAD497C64494 / THAT KEY should SCARE THE LIVING HELL OUT OF CIA / GO AHEAD - PUSH IT
1030880;1424717068;mircea_popescu;;;google E4A966FF04DD296A41F5AAD497C64494
1030881;1424717069;gribble;No matches found.
1030882;1424717110;ascii_field;128b.
1030883;1424717114;mircea_popescu;http://pool.sks-keyservers.net:11371/pks/lookup?op=vindex&search=0xE4A966FF04DD296A41F5AAD497C64494
1030884;1424717128;mircea_popescu;v3 srsly ?
1030885;1424717206;ascii_field;iirc there was once support for 128b md5 fp
1030886;1424717307;mircea_popescu;yeh. while ago.
1030887;1424717373;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7729 @ 0.00041953 = 3.2425 BTC [-] {2} 
1030888;1424717385;ascii_field;and which loftus ?
1030889;1424717390;ascii_field;pediwikia's http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Loftus_(author) ?
1030890;1424717392;assbot;John Loftus (author) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ... ( http://bit.ly/18gazrD )
1030891;1424717415;mircea_popescu;imo this is pointless wankery.
1030892;1424717429;ascii_field;not if we spoodge
1030893;1424717444;BingoBoingo;!b 8
1030894;1424717444;assbot;Last 8 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/1H76FXN.txt )
1030895;1424717498;mircea_popescu;http://thelastpsychiatrist.com/2008/03/economy_where_we_go_from_here.html << tlp's sufferances as an amateur financier on an etrade account, and his efforts to cope and come to terms with it is a whole opera in and of itself.
1030896;1424717499;assbot;The Last Psychiatrist: Economy: Where We Go From Here ... ( http://bit.ly/18gaLqJ )
1030897;1424717541;ascii_field;the clock ad on that site is hilarious
1030898;1424717544;mircea_popescu;funny how the otherwise very competent psych does not feel comfortable taking off the coat and hat, and waddling in the mud modestly like http://38.media.tumblr.com/7c2d7566582a69867da0b68c13787462/tumblr_ngsc6rN6OV1ty4fj6o1_500.gif any amateur.
1030899;1424717546;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1DeJUWm )
1030900;1424717551;ascii_field;it's 1500 again and clocks have one hand ?
1030901;1424717579;mircea_popescu;it has ads ?
1030902;1424717849;BingoBoingo;!up ascii_field
1030903;1424717854;ascii_field;ty BingoBoingo
1030904;1424717882;BingoBoingo;Oh reddit disappeared, but didn't really delete a qntra link... again
1030905;1424717885;BingoBoingo;https://www.reddit.com/r/programming/comments/2wve7e/the_superfish_funder_list/
1030906;1424717887;assbot;The Superfish Funder List : programming ... ( http://bit.ly/1DeLDuA )
1030907;1424717921;mircea_popescu;lol
1030908;1424717946;BingoBoingo;No longer visible on pages
1030909;1424717951;mircea_popescu;programming, this time. clearly it's happening without the subreddit mod's knowledge, there's no overlap about bitcoin tards and programmers.
1030910;1424717960;mircea_popescu;mind leaving a link to log on article discussing this for future ?
1030911;1424718011;ascii_field;'...the Venture Capital Firms which made Superfish possible...' << lol! amerika where even spamware tr0j4n needs vc investment
1030912;1424718024;ascii_field;can i get vc funding to sp4m l1k3 4 pr0? plz?
1030913;1424718127;mircea_popescu;you gotta eat a lot of conference salty biscuit first.
1030914;1424718160;ascii_field;very salty
1030915;1424718166;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6700 @ 0.00041988 = 2.8132 BTC [+]
1030916;1424718177;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: http://qntra.net/2015/02/the-superfish-funder-list/#comment-11390
1030917;1424718178;assbot;The Superfish Funder List | Qntra.net ... ( http://bit.ly/1DeN509 )
1030918;1424718183;ascii_field;bukkakiscuit
1030919;1424718227;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16051 @ 0.0004202 = 6.7446 BTC [+]
1030920;1424718232;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo i meant http://trilema.com/2015/these-fools-have-been-handed-a-technology-so-clever-so-disruptive-and-revolutionary-that-the-rulers-of-the-world-would-have-to-fully-unmask-themselves-as-ruthless-tyrants-in-order-to-suppress-it/ and http://qntra.net/2015/01/its-easy-to-call-us-a-tiny-minority-when-you-engage-in-vote-manipulation/
1030921;1424718233;assbot;"These fools have been handed a technology so clever, so disruptive and revolutionary, that the rulers of the world would have to fully unmask themselves as ruthless tyrants in order to suppress it, — or give up their thrones on their own free will — if it were used correctly, that is." pe Trile ... ( http://bit.ly/1DeNkIB )
1030922;1424718233;assbot;It's Easy To Call Us A Tiny Minority When You Engage In Vote Manipulation | Qntra.net ... ( http://bit.ly/1DeNkYW )
1030923;1424718586;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: https://www.reddit.com/r/programming/comments/2wve7e/the_superfish_funder_list/coup87o
1030924;1424718588;assbot;ButterNubber comments on The Superfish Funder List ... ( http://bit.ly/18gcaO0 )
1030925;1424718588;ascii_field;'cryptome' under extra-thick ddos today...
1030926;1424718599;BingoBoingo;ascii_field: Noticed that a few hours ago
1030927;1424718664;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo i meant the other way :D
1030928;1424718825;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: Ah, now I'm more confused than ever
1030929;1424718831;mircea_popescu;:)
1030930;1424718882;mircea_popescu;i just want a functional reference point tree for when this topic is discussed in future. currently, my go-to link for "reddit manipulation" is either the trilema or the qntrea article. it's beneficial if they somewhere (like in comments) have a link to a later case they didn't substantially cover
1030931;1424718977;ascii_field;at 'hackernews' hand-twiddling the story ratings and outright burial ordered from above has been sop since day one. but the reddit cesspool has generally been left alone (other than by armies of muppets, electric and meat alike) until recently.
1030932;1424719438;BingoBoingo;;;bc,stats
1030933;1424719444;gribble;Current Blocks: 344843 | Current Difficulty: 4.668437631686029E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 346751 | Next Difficulty In: 1908 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 2 weeks, 0 days, 3 hours, 12 minutes, and 0 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 43058313524.9 | Estimated Percent Change: -7.76719
1030934;1424719632;ascii_field;re: sata on netbsd: i get same effect (garbage read for drive manuf. name and lba max params on init) if plugging in sata drive on original uboot console
1030935;1424719642;ascii_field;(in uboot shell)
1030936;1424719651;ascii_field;there's some magic init trick
1030937;1424719731;BingoBoingo;!up ascii_field
1030938;1424719736;ascii_field;danke BingoBoingo!
1030939;1424719748;ascii_field;http://www.marvell.com/embedded-processors/kirkwood/assets/FS_88F6180_9x_6281_OpenSource.pdf << does not provide a smash-your-face-obvious clue re: above
1030940;1424719752;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/18gdAbr )
1030941;1424719792;ascii_field;if one of you fellas can come up with a copy of the src used to build that archlinux kernel, it contains The Answer (tm)
1030942;1424719827;ascii_field;the original marvell-patched kernel mod is mega-gnarly
1030943;1424719833;ascii_field;(the one on pogo's www)
1030944;1424720012;BingoBoingo;!up jdkll
1030945;1424720118;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31185 @ 0.00042051 = 13.1136 BTC [+] {2} 
1030946;1424720375;scoopbot;New post on Qntra.net by Bingo Boingo: http://qntra.net/2015/02/us-political-crisis-may-impoverish-homeland-security-department/
1030947;1424720405;ascii_field;The "critical" employees would be working without the expectation of receiving a pay check. << not really
1030948;1424720420;ascii_field;the whole 'shutdown' circus is wholly for show.
1030949;1424720546;jurov;http://zitseng.com/archives/7489
1030950;1424720547;assbot;The Mac Facilitates Spying Too | Zit Seng's Blog ... ( http://bit.ly/17rt2Ak )
1030951;1424720587;jurov;apple is such a whore with 214 root certs preinstalled?
1030952;1424720603;BingoBoingo;ascii_field: But in fiat land with monthly bill payments, even a delay can be catastrophic to the stooge
1030953;1424720667;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10000 @ 0.00041893 = 4.1893 BTC [-]
1030954;1424720674;ascii_field;jurov: i still don't get why usg would use anything other than the most 'respectable' root certs ('verisign' et al) for their shenanigans
1030955;1424720695;NewLiberty;'Jeh C. Johnson, the Homeland Security secretary, said that it was “indulging in a fantasy to believe you can shut down the Department of Homeland Security and there be no impact to homeland security itself.”'  Sure it might become more secure when the security theater show ends and people start taking personal responsibility.
1030956;1424720713;ascii_field;deniability? sure, 'umm sorry taiwanese factory, umm, lost, signing key' a la stuxnet
1030957;1424720728;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15550 @ 0.00042123 = 6.5501 BTC [+]
1030958;1424721032;jurov;cryptome is down.. are we the new slashdot?
1030959;1424721582;BingoBoingo;literal butthurt http://i.kinja-img.com/gawker-media/image/upload/s--05KKQCHQ--/c_fit,fl_progressive,q_80,w_636/wjqk8l4uyrlvvu5c8svh.jpg
1030960;1424721583;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1a6PvEo )
1030961;1424721587;BingoBoingo;!up ascii_field
1030962;1424721601;ascii_field;ty BingoBoingo
1030963;1424722035;BingoBoingo;!up wayne
1030964;1424722046;BingoBoingo;Hello wayne
1030965;1424722087;wayne;thanks for the +v
1030966;1424722092;wayne;hi
1030967;1424722219;mircea_popescu;ello
1030968;1424722292;mircea_popescu;<ascii_field> The "critical" employees would be working without the expectation of receiving a pay check. << not really << check it out, usg trying to steal b-a.
1030969;1424722327;ascii_field;they still get paid
1030970;1424722340;ascii_field;(but no interest on late wages, iirc)
1030971;1424722351;mircea_popescu;yaya.
1030972;1424722379;ascii_field;and they don't clock in 'for the motherland' but to keep the job
1030973;1424722401;wayne;what is this channel for? general btc discussion? the website is a big ambiguous.
1030974;1424722409;wayne;bit, rather
1030975;1424722410;mircea_popescu;this is where bitcoin policy is set.
1030976;1424722426;mircea_popescu;generally you are expected to read the logs for the next year to get acclimated.
1030977;1424722497;wayne;hey joecool
1030978;1424722551;felipelalli;wayne: the rule here is: read the full log and back next year. We'll wait.
1030979;1424722558;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22448 @ 0.00041923 = 9.4109 BTC [-]
1030980;1424722577;felipelalli;(PS: I'm still reading)
1030981;1424722657;chetty;don't worry if you miss a day, someone will point it out (happens to me all the time)
1030982;1424722710;wayne;so everyone starts reading from april 26th?
1030983;1424722833;ben_vulpes;sometimes april 1st
1030984;1424722863;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11036 @ 0.00041893 = 4.6233 BTC [-]
1030985;1424722924;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6864 @ 0.00041892 = 2.8755 BTC [-]
1030986;1424723238;scoopbot;New post on Trilema by Mircea Popescu: http://trilema.com/2015/so-im-going-to-be-a-total-asshole-for-a-moment-here/
1030987;1424723332;mircea_popescu;for my curiosity, anyone still remember the elizabeth smart thing ? "kidnapped" 14yo utah blondie goes to party with "kidnappers" etc ?
1030988;1424723372;mircea_popescu;apud Ballas : "I know, I know, she's only 15-- terrified, Stockholm Syndrome, etc.  And I have no right to judge her (in)actions since I am not her, I didn't live her life. Though that brings us back to the black teen: why is fear an acceptable explanation for poor judgment, but anger is not?  (Hint: they're both not.)"
1030989;1424723393;mircea_popescu;in point of fact you can readily distinguish the male dominated society from the female dominated society, because they each succumb to their own foibles.
1030990;1424723410;mircea_popescu;in dudeland anger is accepted explanation, fear is not. in broadland, the reverse.
1030991;1424723422;mircea_popescu;yes, they're both not. hasn't yet happened on god's green earth tho.
1030992;1424723452;BingoBoingo;!up ascii_field
1030993;1424723471;ascii_field;ty BingoBoingo!
1030994;1424723482;mircea_popescu;wayne well not everyone joins at the same time.
1030995;1424723505;mircea_popescu;and speaking of which, http://38.media.tumblr.com/d79ced52386260419f282a6cbea59cc0/tumblr_n5oxc1uPJp1trwqu4o1_400.gif
1030996;1424723507;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1B63dSs )
1030997;1424723656;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9086 @ 0.00041892 = 3.8063 BTC [-]
1030998;1424723689;punkman;wayne, good day to start is when voice requirement was introduced
1030999;1424723713;punkman;also the search engine is great for finding interesting threads from the past
1031000;1424723717;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14914 @ 0.00041431 = 6.179 BTC [-] {2} 
1031001;1424724144;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18415 @ 0.00040134 = 7.3907 BTC [-]
1031002;1424724434;chetty;And I have no right to judge her (in)actions since I am not her// the root of much evil in this world
1031003;1424724594;mircea_popescu;quite.
1031004;1424724609;mircea_popescu;i also have no right to calculate sun's orbit, as i'm no sun.
1031005;1424724627;ascii_field;!b 3
1031006;1424724628;assbot;Last 3 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/2GT5FC4.txt )
1031007;1424724629;mircea_popescu;this is techniucally correct, i have NO RIGHT. nor do i wish to have such a right, fuck rights with a solder rifle.
1031008;1424724639;mircea_popescu;i have the fucking freedom to do it, and im dying with it.
1031009;1424724662;thestringpuller;!up ascii_field
1031010;1424724668;ascii_field;ty thestringpuller!
1031011;1424724677;thestringpuller;!up wayne
1031012;1424724815;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2585 @ 0.00040134 = 1.0375 BTC [-]
1031013;1424724876;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3015 @ 0.00039851 = 1.2015 BTC [-]
1031014;1424725852;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4800 @ 0.0004136 = 1.9853 BTC [+]
1031015;1424725913;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11450 @ 0.00041923 = 4.8002 BTC [+]
1031016;1424726157;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11150 @ 0.00039851 = 4.4434 BTC [-]
1031017;1424726809;BingoBoingo;!up Jezzz
1031018;1424727133;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15335 @ 0.00039851 = 6.1112 BTC [-]
1031019;1424727255;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20581 @ 0.00039845 = 8.2005 BTC [-]
1031020;1424727970;BingoBoingo;!up plonky
1031021;1424728222;plonky;thank BingoBoingo
1031022;1424728230;plonky;just created new gpg keypair
1031023;1424728235;plonky;and registered to gribble
1031024;1424728240;plonky;im hegemoOn
1031025;1424728247;mike_c;mircea_popescu: re your asshole post.  I believe GOOG split in the meantime..
1031026;1424728262;plonky;but anyway new nickname, as far as i lost my previous gpg key associated with hegemoOn
1031027;1424728354;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14667 @ 0.00041186 = 6.0408 BTC [+] {3} 
1031028;1424728427;danielpbarron;!gettrust plonky
1031029;1424728427;assbot;plonky is not registered in WoT.
1031030;1424728445;plonky;i just ;;eauth
1031031;1424728450;*;danielpbarron shrugs
1031032;1424728476;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8783 @ 0.00042149 = 3.7019 BTC [+] {3} 
1031033;1424728490;plonky;22:50:10 gribble | You are now authenticated for user plonky with key BACBCE400996EB88
1031034;1424728514;danielpbarron;plonky, which bot responded to me when I typed '!gettrust' ?
1031035;1424728524;plonky;assbot
1031036;1424728526;plonky;!
1031037;1424728531;danielpbarron;athereyougo
1031038;1424728555;plonky;!help
1031039;1424728555;assbot;http://wiki.bitcoin-assets.com/irc_bots/assbot
1031040;1424729084;plonky;seems the fingerprint of my key isnt satisfying assbot
1031041;1424729124;mircea_popescu;mike_c hm, i remember them wanting to for years but then they got sued not to
1031042;1424729133;mircea_popescu;never heard that being ruled on so i just asumed they dropped it.
1031043;1424729142;mats;http://www.aljazeera.com/news/2015/02/leaks-netanyahu-misled-iran-nuclear-programme-guardian-iran-nuclear-speech-2012-150218165622065.html
1031044;1424729143;assbot;Mossad contradicted Netanyahu on Iran nuclear programme - Al Jazeera English ... ( http://bit.ly/17P0BMv )
1031045;1424729149;mats;that pic lol.
1031046;1424729184;mircea_popescu;in other news, there was an explosion like... 5 blocks from where i live.
1031047;1424729286;mircea_popescu;mike_c turns out they did last year. thanks!
1031048;1424729452;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19200 @ 0.00039447 = 7.5738 BTC [-]
1031049;1424729490;mike_c;yw.
1031050;1424729514;danielpbarron;;;ident plonky
1031051;1424729515;gribble;Nick 'plonky', with hostmask 'plonky!~plonky@shell.netmonk.org', is identified as user 'plonky', with GPG key id BACBCE400996EB88, key fingerprint 6F227EFC5B577AE959E13138BACBCE400996EB88, and bitcoin address None
1031052;1424729535;danielpbarron;plonky, are you using this one ----------^
1031053;1424729548;plonky;ok
1031054;1424729740;danielpbarron;try it in here so kakobrekla can see
1031055;1424729869;danielpbarron;!up plonky
1031056;1424729874;plonky;!register plonky 6F227EFC5B577AE959E13138BACBCE400996EB88
1031057;1424729874;assbot;That does not seem to be a valid fingerprint.
1031058;1424729944;plonky;maybe im too stupid
1031059;1424729965;mircea_popescu;http://pool.sks-keyservers.net:11371/pks/lookup?op=vindex&search=0x6F227EFC5B577AE959E13138BACBCE400996EB88 it's valid alright
1031060;1424730018;plonky;yeah it's me :)
1031061;1424730105;mircea_popescu;no name
1031062;1424730113;mircea_popescu;try !register 6F227EFC5B577AE959E13138BACBCE400996EB88
1031063;1424730125;plonky;!register 6F227EFC5B577AE959E13138BACBCE400996EB88
1031064;1424730125;assbot;Searching pgp.mit.edu for key with fingerprint: 6F227EFC5B577AE959E13138BACBCE400996EB88. This may take a few moments.
1031065;1424730125;assbot;Key 0996EB88 / "netmonk <netmonk@netmonk.org>" successfully imported.
1031066;1424730125;assbot;Registration successful.
1031067;1424730235;plonky;ok so my trust is 0
1031068;1424730243;plonky;so pretty useless at the moment !
1031069;1424730248;plonky;ty mircea_popescu
1031070;1424730250;plonky;and danielpbarron
1031071;1424730285;mircea_popescu;so what do you do ?
1031072;1424730372;plonky;well, don't know :) i can ask fluffypony to rate me again :)
1031073;1424730441;danielpbarron;!gettrust hegemoOn
1031074;1424730443;assbot;Trust relationship from user danielpbarron to user hegemoOn: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 1 via 1 connections. | http://w.b-a.link/trust/danielpbarron/hegemoOn | http://w.b-a.link/user/hegemoOn
1031075;1424730456;mircea_popescu;plonky you do archlinux ?
1031076;1424730481;plonky;mircea_popescu: yes :)
1031077;1424730489;plonky;you can find me on the archwiki
1031078;1424730494;plonky;in the security team :)
1031079;1424730503;plonky;and few commint on other topic
1031080;1424730505;mircea_popescu;peeps been trying to get a pogoplug arch system going for a while, prolly can help with that
1031081;1424730522;plonky;pogoplug ?
1031082;1424730534;danielpbarron;plonky, http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=23-02-2015#1030941
1031083;1424730534;assbot;Logged on 23-02-2015 19:29:52; ascii_field: if one of you fellas can come up with a copy of the src used to build that archlinux kernel, it contains The Answer (tm)
1031084;1424730593;danielpbarron;there is a bug in netbsd regarding sata drives that archlinux does not have
1031085;1424730610;plonky;well, kernel are compiled and distributed as binary
1031086;1424730618;plonky;as far you know on archlinux
1031087;1424730643;plonky;but a mail on mailing list could help or /join #archlinux
1031088;1424730672;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14861 @ 0.00039443 = 5.8616 BTC [-]
1031089;1424730922;bitstein;Assbot should have a reminder command.
1031090;1424730936;bitstein;!remind 5 years this tweet: https://twitter.com/VitalikButerin/status/569936267397500928
1031091;1424730938;assbot;/hashtag/blockchains?src=hash are a friggin database technology; 5 years down I doubt any users will care what the underlying network token is
1031092;1424731044;plonky;i bet ascii_field is asciilifeform ?
1031093;1424731051;fluffypony;plonky: did you break your GPG?
1031094;1424731066;plonky;fluffypony: yeah
1031095;1424731078;fluffypony;;;rated hegemoon
1031096;1424731079;gribble;You rated user hegemoon on Wed Jul  2 08:48:10 2014, with a rating of 1, and supplied these additional notes: smooth PPEUR for XMR trade, no issues.
1031097;1424731100;plonky;it was a time monero was meaning something :)
1031098;1424731133;plonky;170 euros, 200 monero iirc
1031099;1424731133;fluffypony;;;rate plonky 1 PPEUR / XMR historical trade with hegemoon, who subsequently lost access to his GPG key and has had to move to a new account
1031100;1424731134;gribble;Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user plonky has been recorded.
1031101;1424731134;plonky;:)
1031102;1424731148;plonky;thanks sir
1031103;1424731149;*;danielpbarron slaps fluffypony around a bit with a large assbot
1031104;1424731156;fluffypony;oh
1031105;1424731160;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9536 @ 0.00039998 = 3.8142 BTC [+]
1031106;1424731161;fluffypony;!rate plonky 1 PPEUR / XMR historical trade with hegemoon, who subsequently lost access to his GPG key and has had to move to a new account
1031107;1424731161;assbot;Request successful, get your OTP: http://w.b-a.link/otp/30df173af3bcc2ef
1031108;1424731179;plonky;thanks again
1031109;1424731198;fluffypony;how do I verify the rating?
1031110;1424731212;fluffypony;(once the string has been decrypted I mean)
1031111;1424731216;danielpbarron;!v
1031112;1424731216;assbot;Need a decrypted verification string.
1031113;1424731222;fluffypony;!v assbot:fluffypony.rate.plonky.1:2dc1b7ff690f2bd0c195b81db1a34d09eaefb5da684e8997ff0eaa8f861c0589
1031114;1424731222;assbot;Successfully added a rating of 1 for plonky with note: PPEUR / XMR historical trade with hegemoon, who subsequently lost access to his GPG key and has had to move to a new account
1031115;1424731226;fluffypony;thanks danielpbarron
1031116;1424731246;danielpbarron;things and strings go in the V
1031117;1424731369;BingoBoingo;!up ascii_field
1031118;1424731373;ascii_field;ty BingoBoingo!
1031119;1424731395;ascii_field;mircea_popescu: peeps been trying to get a pogoplug arch system going for a while << actually, we - or, rather me - have been trying to get it -off- arch
1031120;1424731403;ascii_field;because it's a fucking hog
1031121;1424731416;mircea_popescu;did the mystery bit ever get resolved ?
1031122;1424731421;ascii_field;not yet
1031123;1424731451;plonky;https://projects.archlinux.org/svntogit/packages.git/tree/trunk/PKGBUILD?h=packages/linux
1031124;1424731453;assbot;svntogit/packages.git - Git clone of the 'packages' repository ... ( http://bit.ly/1FQmCt6 )
1031125;1424731457;*;ascii_field schmuck occupied all day with PayingWork (tm)
1031126;1424731458;plonky;this one is the answer
1031127;1424731481;plonky;with all the patch included to kernel compilation in archlinux
1031128;1424731499;ascii_field;plonky: do you know for certain that this is the very same arch as was published (see log) for use on 'pogo' ?
1031129;1424731537;plonky;if you can explain what mean "for use on pogo", i would understand better :)
1031130;1424731568;ascii_field;or wtf
1031131;1424731572;danielpbarron;plonky, http://archlinuxarm.org/platforms/armv5/pogoplug-series-4
1031132;1424731573;assbot;Pogoplug Series 4 | Arch Linux ARM ... ( http://bit.ly/1ADCAlV )
1031133;1424731575;ascii_field;that's an x86 build script
1031134;1424731581;ascii_field;(what plonky linked to)
1031135;1424731586;plonky;ok
1031136;1424731588;ascii_field;nothing whatsoever to do with us
1031137;1424731592;plonky;i better understand :)
1031138;1424731601;plonky;so /join #archlinux-arm
1031139;1424731633;*;danielpbarron stabs plonky 
1031140;1424731761;ascii_field;http://os.archlinuxarm.org/os/ArchLinuxARM-kirkwood-latest.tar.gz << is probably the binary
1031141;1424731766;BingoBoingo;!up plonky
1031142;1424731766;ascii_field;but where's the source
1031143;1424731808;plonky;ascii_field: which arm version ?
1031144;1424731810;BingoBoingo;!s bucket
1031145;1424731811;assbot;108 results for 'bucket' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=bucket
1031146;1424731831;BingoBoingo;plonky: Arm v5, pogoplug v4
1031147;1424731839;plonky;ascii_field: https://github.com/archlinuxarm/PKGBUILDs/blob/master/core/linux-kirkwood/PKGBUILD
1031148;1424731840;assbot;PKGBUILDs/PKGBUILD at master · archlinuxarm/PKGBUILDs · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1FQo8vi )
1031149;1424731844;plonky;this is the pkgbuild of the kernel
1031150;1424731855;ascii_field;plonky, others: it isn't just a question of 'which arm'
1031151;1424731857;ascii_field;(5)
1031152;1424731867;ascii_field;but specific system-on-chip that has all the peripherals
1031153;1424731869;ascii_field;http://www.marvell.com/embedded-processors/kirkwood/assets/FS_88F6180_9x_6281_OpenSource.pdf
1031154;1424731874;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1FQogel )
1031155;1424731874;ascii_field;^ described here
1031156;1424731888;ascii_field;the ethernet, sata, usb, etc. are all on same die
1031157;1424731911;ascii_field;but it's a little-endian arm 5, yes.
1031158;1424731913;plonky;ascii_field: ok look at my url, it point to the kernel config of kirkwood release !
1031159;1424731941;ascii_field;ty plonky
1031160;1424731946;ascii_field;that's probably it.
1031161;1424731957;ascii_field;will have to build and run the damn thing to be sure
1031162;1424731968;ascii_field;if one of you folks with free time want to do this - appreciated.
1031163;1424732014;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4939 @ 0.00040963 = 2.0232 BTC [+]
1031164;1424732187;ascii_field;mircea_popescu: in other news, there was an explosion like... 5 blocks from where i live << what was the detonation velocity ?
1031165;1424732249;*;plonky switched from archlinux-arm to cubian on his cubieboard btw
1031166;1424732252;ascii_field;in other news from the lulzfarms, http://www.aljazeera.com/news/2015/02/spy-cables-world-espionage-snowden-guardian-mi6-cia-ssa-mossad-iran-southafrica-leak-150218100147229.html
1031167;1424732253;assbot;The Spy Cables: A glimpse into the world of espionage - Al Jazeera English ... ( http://bit.ly/1FQpK8w )
1031168;1424732292;ascii_field;plonky: ultimate goal is netbsd with maximally stripped down kernel and scarcely any userland at all beyond bitcoind
1031169;1424732306;ascii_field;whole shebang should weigh a couple of MB gzipped.
1031170;1424732319;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27561 @ 0.00040963 = 11.2898 BTC [+]
1031171;1424732391;ben_vulpes;i can sorta read -assets logs backwards now
1031172;1424732393;ben_vulpes;neat trick, that
1031173;1424732485;danielpbarron;i think i finally bricked a pogo; rebooted the one with the netconsole thing setup (which has worked in the past) and now i get nothing out of it :<
1031174;1424732530;danielpbarron;"bricked" // i'll just use this one when my usb thingy arrives
1031175;1424732578;plonky;https://github.com/archlinuxarm/PKGBUILDs/blob/master/core/linux-kirkwood/archlinuxarm.patch
1031176;1424732580;assbot;PKGBUILDs/archlinuxarm.patch at master · archlinuxarm/PKGBUILDs · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1FQr0Zg )
1031177;1424732590;plonky;ascii_field: lot of SATA reference in this patchfile
1031178;1424732818;danielpbarron;nevermind false alarm
1031179;1424732855;ascii_field;https://github.com/archlinuxarm/PKGBUILDs/blob/master/core/linux-kirkwood/archlinuxarm.patch#L8563 << possibly this
1031180;1424732858;assbot;PKGBUILDs/archlinuxarm.patch at master · archlinuxarm/PKGBUILDs · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1ADHuiZ )
1031181;1424732916;plonky;is it similar behaviour you have on netbsd ?
1031182;1424732932;plonky;i mean stop of work after few minutes ?
1031183;1424732938;ascii_field;never works at all
1031184;1424732940;ascii_field;so probably not
1031185;1424732961;plonky;and what does the netbsd guy say  ?
1031186;1424732967;ascii_field;and on second thought we don't have a 88sx7042 either
1031187;1424732978;BingoBoingo;scoopbot -fetch
1031188;1424732990;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31900 @ 0.00042192 = 13.4592 BTC [+] {2} 
1031189;1424732999;ascii_field;netbsd guy ?
1031190;1424733027;plonky;yeah netbsd developpers, who are in charge of arm support
1031191;1424733066;plonky;because it's easy to have a kernel booting and displaying lines in console
1031192;1424733066;danielpbarron;plonky, do you know of any such people in the WoT?
1031193;1424733082;plonky;but a bit harder to have a full hardware support
1031194;1424733100;plonky;danielpbarron: not that i know
1031195;1424733126;plonky;i mean, sending email to the right mailing list explaining your problem
1031196;1424733135;plonky;can bring the official dev support
1031197;1424733138;ascii_field;http://pgp.mit.edu:11371/pks/lookup?search=%3Ckiyohara%40NetBSD.org%3E&op=index&exact=on
1031198;1424733141;ascii_field;^ him
1031199;1424733165;ascii_field;anyone's guess if he has the time, inclination, or this particular piece of hardware to even try
1031200;1424733195;BingoBoingo;!up ascii_field
1031201;1424733199;ascii_field;ty BingoBoingo
1031202;1424733207;plonky;http://www.netbsd.org/mailinglists/#port-arm
1031203;1424733209;assbot;NetBSD mailing lists ... ( http://bit.ly/1ADIGmo )
1031204;1424733241;ascii_field;plonky: the one thing definitely known is that the bug is specific to this one particular marvell soc
1031205;1424733253;plonky;one of my systema trainer once told me : if you don't ask, you will never get answer
1031206;1424733261;mircea_popescu;ascii_field about the same as an unladden swallow
1031207;1424733270;mircea_popescu;(was gas thing, killed a guy_
1031208;1424733282;ascii_field;mircea_popescu: i thought your tool gave a number
1031209;1424733302;scoopbot;New post on Qntra.net by Bingo Boingo: http://qntra.net/2015/02/court-no-surveillance-records-for-fbi-terrorist/
1031210;1424733340;mircea_popescu;i don't personally do everything!
1031211;1424733345;ascii_field;l0l
1031212;1424733347;*;ascii_field does
1031213;1424733355;mircea_popescu;i tend to limit what i personally do to women.
1031214;1424733367;ascii_field;good idea if engineering-practical
1031215;1424733387;mircea_popescu;plonky looky, the question here is whether you can be useful not whether he needs some advice.
1031216;1424733408;ascii_field;i was just about to say.
1031217;1424733427;*;ascii_field does not need to be told, usually, that 'it works better if you plug it in'
1031218;1424733433;ascii_field;and neither do the other folks in #b-a
1031219;1424733461;ascii_field;but to be fair: plonky found for me what i asked for
1031220;1424733477;ascii_field;(the archturd)
1031221;1424733600;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13003 @ 0.00040388 = 5.2517 BTC [-] {2} 
1031222;1424733950;plonky;alright
1031223;1424734009;plonky;i will keep advice for myself, no offense.
1031224;1424734081;BingoBoingo;plonky: It takes time to get to know what advice might be useful as opposed to being noise, that's what the reading is for.
1031225;1424734210;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23729 @ 0.00039355 = 9.3385 BTC [-] {3} 
1031226;1424734250;scoopbot;New post on Qntra.net by thestringpuller: http://qntra.net/2015/02/bitrated-launches-web-of-trust-abomination/
1031227;1424734793;danielpbarron;i got my pogo to load asciilifeform's netbsd.ub over ftp, and it stops at "Starting kernel ..." // is this step supposed to get a long time?
1031228;1424734801;danielpbarron;take*
1031229;1424735803;ben_vulpes;i generally know the thing needs plugging in but frequently find myself unable to line up the right pins with the right sockets
1031230;1424735827;ben_vulpes;end up ripping the fixture out of the wall and soldering things together.
1031231;1424735831;ben_vulpes;because abandonware.
1031232;1424735978;BingoBoingo;!up plonky
1031233;1424735985;BingoBoingo;!up arvicco
1031234;1424736772;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23100 @ 0.00039234 = 9.0631 BTC [-]
1031235;1424737687;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 44050 @ 0.0003916 = 17.25 BTC [-] {2} 
1031236;1424738764;asciilifeform;danielpbarron: what kind of output were you expecting to see without a serial cable ?!
1031237;1424739639;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25150 @ 0.00039479 = 9.929 BTC [+]
1031238;1424739734;danielpbarron;asciilifeform, none; just confirming my expectations
1031239;1424739788;danielpbarron;is the netcat thing even needed?
1031240;1424739892;asciilifeform;danielpbarron: it's needed if you have no serial cable and want to screw with uboot
1031241;1424739896;asciilifeform;otherwise not at all.
1031242;1424739925;asciilifeform;unrelated/historical >> http://coldwar-ct.com/ATT_Chesterfield.html << 'not a bunker w/out spring mounted toilet!'
1031243;1424739926;assbot;ATT Chesterfield ... ( http://bit.ly/1MNQ597 )
1031244;1424740119;mircea_popescu;i wonder what they think "nuclear hardened" means.
1031245;1424740130;asciilifeform;http://www.charlotteobserver.com/2008/08/10/118719/mysterious-cold-war-bunker-closes.html#.VOvOc3W9_fs << related
1031246;1424740132;assbot;Mysterious Cold War bunker closes | CharlotteObserver.com ... ( http://bit.ly/1MNQpov )
1031247;1424740154;asciilifeform;(architectural/historical interest)
1031248;1424740160;mircea_popescu;5feet doesn't sound like much.
1031249;1424740169;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: I find the historical bunker bezzel fascinating. Especially with the missile sites that were getting outdated and replaced within 5 years. The ATT bunkers though... some nice real estate
1031250;1424740171;asciilifeform;of earth; more of cement
1031251;1424740187;asciilifeform;bunker-building was a major racket in usa
1031252;1424740189;asciilifeform;at one time
1031253;1424740270;asciilifeform;and afaik nobody cancelled bunkers, but the 'golden age of usg' gigantomania is gone.
1031254;1424740340;BingoBoingo;Well, private bunkers are the new racket
1031255;1424740362;mircea_popescu;40acres for 200k.
1031256;1424740367;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: private 'gtfo' arrangements are the new racket
1031257;1424740403;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: That too. Still some people do brisk business selling corrugated steel tubes
1031258;1424740569;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: http://coldwar-ct.com/Home_Page_S1DO.html << even more, incl. period equipment
1031259;1424740571;assbot;ATT Cheshire underground facility. ... ( http://bit.ly/1LzZGir )
1031260;1424740676;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21600 @ 0.00039151 = 8.4566 BTC [-]
1031261;1424740740;BingoBoingo;Ah, more toilet springs
1031262;1424740853;asciilifeform;found that site by sheer accident, while idly looking for what's commercial state of the art in shock wave detectors
1031263;1424740857;asciilifeform;(from earlier thread)
1031264;1424740870;*;asciilifeform out of date on the subject
1031265;1424740906;mircea_popescu;i'm not terribly impressed with the depicted blastdoors, but anyway
1031266;1424740963;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: according to the historical docs, the sites in question were rated for particular 'overpressures' - and some were 'graded down' upon inspection after constructed
1031267;1424740969;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: Definitely a particularly interesting site. Microwave tower is rather thin on antennas so facility must have had other serious justification
1031268;1424740971;mircea_popescu;aha
1031269;1424740973;asciilifeform;so mircea_popescu is not the only one who wasn't impressed
1031270;1424740988;asciilifeform;builders sc4mz0r3d usg
1031271;1424740997;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: horns
1031272;1424740999;mircea_popescu;myeah.
1031273;1424741013;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: you need one (or two, redundant) for each direction of link
1031274;1424741031;asciilifeform;and the horns themselves were merely backups for the more famous underground coax
1031275;1424741036;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: Sure, but The towers around here tend to have more horns and more tower for mounting horns
1031276;1424741050;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: there are horns where you live ?!
1031277;1424741069;mircea_popescu;you thinking cellphgone microwave drums ?
1031278;1424741069;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: We have a big microwave tower on the north side of town
1031279;1424741074;mircea_popescu;slightly different item
1031280;1424741088;asciilifeform;very different.
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1031282;1424741226;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: Between highway and park in hometown Big antenna, wimpy bunker https://maps.google.com/maps?q=highland+silver+lake+park&oe=utf-8&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a&channel=sb&um=1&ie=UTF-8&sa=X&ei=utLrVLr6CujgsASx_4CYAg&ved=0CAcQ_AUoAQ&output=classic&dg=brw
1031283;1424741228;assbot;highland silver lake park - Google Maps ... ( http://bit.ly/1MNRKf0 )
1031284;1424741237;BingoBoingo;Common arrangement in the Middle West
1031285;1424741253;BingoBoingo;"Longline" service
1031286;1424741294;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: looks quite like the others.
1031287;1424741309;asciilifeform;can even see the cracks on the asphalt.
1031288;1424741317;asciilifeform;probably not sold at time of photo.
1031289;1424741331;mircea_popescu;http://38.media.tumblr.com/8695d3035d9ae23d57c8d720815885a8/tumblr_n4w4vqxch41rdh9veo1_400.gif
1031290;1424741333;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1MNROv9 )
1031291;1424741336;BingoBoingo;Well no reason not to. Just maybe it is an elevation thing but CT bunker seems like it could have moar tower
1031292;1424741380;asciilifeform;elevation thing
1031293;1424741440;asciilifeform;https://maps.google.com/maps?q=highland+silver+lake+park&ll=38.761728,-89.692103&spn=0.002812,0.001632&oe=utf-8&client=firefox-a&channel=sb&t=h&z=20&layer=c&cbll=38.761673,-89.691976&panoid=HPZxYzCY4v-Tms2dG9AMcA&cbp=12,354.34,,1,-19.35 << BingoBoingo's tower definitely has cellular antennae now
1031294;1424741442;assbot;highland silver lake park - Google Maps ... ( http://bit.ly/1MNRXia )
1031295;1424741445;asciilifeform;in addition to the classical horns
1031296;1424741485;BingoBoingo;https://d1u1p2xjjiahg3.cloudfront.net/e71f4cbe-bc13-4d1b-b3f9-1e0a9f9ebf16.jpg << 2004 vintage
1031297;1424741486;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1MNS0KY )
1031298;1424741520;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: what's that ?!
1031299;1424741583;BingoBoingo;https://d1u1p2xjjiahg3.cloudfront.net/775124f3-9ed9-4b6d-b22d-513441a12b51.jpg << 2012 with Cellular turds
1031300;1424741585;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1LA1Pug )
1031301;1424741602;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: or, more specifically, what is the flying object
1031302;1424742209;BingoBoingo;And since we are bringing up the hometown behold the drive Federalis made to visit, note the major city very close to the destination https://maps.google.com/maps?q=peoria+illinois+highland+illinois&oe=utf-8&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a&channel=sb&um=1&ie=UTF-8&sa=X&ei=1tbrVNKsHMKmNqeWg_AH&ved=0CAcQ_AUoAQ&output=classic&dg=brw
1031303;1424742211;assbot;peoria illinois highland illinois - Google Maps ... ( http://bit.ly/1MNT0yD )
1031304;1424742323;asciilifeform;http://senstar.com << hilarious bezzlatron
1031305;1424742324;assbot;Senstar - The Trusted Choice for Perimeter Intrusion Detection and Security Solutions     ... ( http://bit.ly/1MNTchb )
1031306;1424742401;asciilifeform;http://www.securityinfowatch.com/directory/perimeter-security-physical-hardening << giant catalogue of usg auschwitzmatics
1031307;1424742403;assbot;Browse Perimeter Security & Physical Hardening Products ... ( http://bit.ly/1MNThBD )
1031308;1424742479;BingoBoingo;Mega lol, where's the robot's Mosin?
1031309;1424742514;asciilifeform;can connect alarm out cable to whatever?
1031310;1424742607;BingoBoingo;If Intel can plan on sending silicon to abadon anything is possible
1031311;1424742683;asciilifeform;http://senstar.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/04/senstar-vip-brochure.pdf << moar lulz
1031312;1424742685;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1MNTDbx )
1031313;1424742731;*;asciilifeform secretly imagines the opposite of this firm
1031314;1424742740;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform  a nato round expelled
1031315;1424742755;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: just now?
1031316;1424742765;mircea_popescu;in the gif. is what you meant ?
1031317;1424742769;asciilifeform;aha
1031318;1424742771;asciilifeform;lol
1031319;1424742780;asciilifeform;i was still thinking about the wave detector!
1031320;1424742796;asciilifeform;but it all makes sense now
1031321;1424742845;asciilifeform;should've noticed the earmuffs
1031322;1424742913;mircea_popescu;http://thelastpsychiatrist.com/2008/05/cookie_monster_becomes_aware.html << actually tlp has excellent working theory on 'what happened'.
1031323;1424742914;assbot;The Last Psychiatrist: Cookie Monster Becomes Aware ... ( http://bit.ly/1MNTVPI )
1031324;1424742933;mircea_popescu;baby boomers checked out of society, their kids were raised by the tv set, the result is the current usg.
1031325;1424742984;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: old ('60s-'70s?) news ?
1031326;1424742997;mircea_popescu;not news in any sense. well stated.
1031327;1424743032;mircea_popescu;it also means no meta nsa you know.
1031328;1424743053;asciilifeform;why'd that be
1031329;1424743057;asciilifeform;not everybody's a degenerate
1031330;1424743061;mircea_popescu;orly.
1031331;1424743081;mircea_popescu;not how this works. biological samples are either uniformly infected or not infected.
1031332;1424743087;asciilifeform;now, granted, i don't work at meta-nsa...
1031333;1424743103;asciilifeform;but the folks i work with weren't raised by tv.
1031334;1424743117;asciilifeform;nor was the woman
1031335;1424743130;asciilifeform;nor any of the people i associate with voluntarily in meatspace, really
1031336;1424743144;asciilifeform;not a uniform infection, this.
1031337;1424743161;mircea_popescu;but what that does is... it takes them out of sample.
1031338;1424743179;asciilifeform;meta-nsa can also take out of sample, no ?
1031339;1424743191;mircea_popescu;no.
1031340;1424743192;asciilifeform;or what, ant can do, but elephant cannot ?
1031341;1424743193;BingoBoingo;<mircea_popescu> it also means no meta nsa you know. << That show in particular was designed to bring about reddit society
1031342;1424743221;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo only retrospectively. prospectively, it was designed to bring about "a better world", as some people imagined it.
1031343;1424743233;mircea_popescu;that "a better world" as some people imagine it is always laughably derpy is no secret.
1031344;1424743241;cazalla;that oscar was such a troll, down voting
1031345;1424743264;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: And in every "about" derp they mention the "better world" being governance via reddit and tumblr ethics
1031346;1424743290;mircea_popescu;if you don't know very much, all sorts of stuff smells like salvation.
1031347;1424743304;BingoBoingo;And it's no coincidence that Elmo was played by a chomo
1031348;1424743324;mircea_popescu;some idiots somewhere put pen to paper cca 1700 to communicate the idea that "if only we made the children of the scum literate the word would be a paradise"
1031349;1424743371;BingoBoingo;No, just means you have to sort through "literate" scum to find literature
1031350;1424743495;BingoBoingo;Related: http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/crime/2015/02/prison_survival_guides_books_and_videos_for_navigating_life_on_the_inside.html
1031351;1424743496;assbot;Prison survival guides: Books and videos for navigating life on the inside. ... ( http://bit.ly/1MNUE39 )
1031352;1424743533;mircea_popescu;they're going to have a dating/selfhelp for this, too ?
1031353;1424743558;mircea_popescu;pretty soon derps in prison so numerous actual prisoners are too wtf'd at these idiots running around dreaming a little dream they just hang themselves ?
1031354;1424743570;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: lulzier still, there are -schools- for 'white collar' derps who are expecting prison
1031355;1424743585;asciilifeform;as in, expensive 'academies' where... something or other.. is taught
1031356;1424743586;mircea_popescu;no wai ?!
1031357;1424743592;mircea_popescu;uh.
1031358;1424743604;*;asciilifeform doesn't have the link handy
1031359;1424743666;BingoBoingo;"Kerness says she sends the manual to anyone who writes to her organization asking for one. Until recently she had no trouble getting the materials into people�s hands, but recently, she says she has started receiving pushback from some facilities."
1031360;1424743704;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: "Get ready for prison" camp is actually a thing is USia
1031361;1424743715;hanbot;west joint?
1031362;1424743737;asciilifeform;l0l!!
1031363;1424743740;mircea_popescu;does it go "kill someone on your first day, the flimsier reason the better, the more blood the better" ?
1031364;1424743779;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo is it like the "baby delivery" school, in that it involves "all family members" for maximal bezzletronicity ?
1031365;1424743801;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: Seems to from what I can find on the subject.
1031366;1424743832;BingoBoingo;also a lot of "Eastern" meditate and Zen bullshit
1031367;1424743871;mircea_popescu;do they have pay per view in prison yet ?
1031368;1424743884;BingoBoingo;nah
1031369;1424743903;BingoBoingo;They have cable in the county jail I've heard through reports
1031370;1424743914;mircea_popescu;why not ?  bad for the economy.
1031371;1424743915;BingoBoingo;Just extended basic though
1031372;1424743962;mircea_popescu;"No matter how many episodes of Orange Is the New Black you�ve binge-watched, the experience of life behind bars is basically unfathomable to those of us who have only ever known freedom."
1031373;1424743969;mircea_popescu;gtfo, what usian has known freedom ?!
1031374;1424743989;mircea_popescu;they're so fucking free they despair for a guide of "how to behave" in prison.
1031375;1424743997;mircea_popescu;god forbid you misbehave. they may jail you!
1031376;1424744024;*;asciilifeform secret connoisseur of 'rotting in prison' literature. has most of a bookcase - and none is in eng. doesn't know of any in that language worth keeping
1031377;1424744035;BingoBoingo;I've heard reports that county jail isnt so bad, worst part is the stigma from people on the outside
1031378;1424744076;mircea_popescu;ironically, most married with children white collar men i know would actually enjoy prison
1031379;1424744084;mircea_popescu;they're petrified of it, of course, but it'd be a rational move for them.
1031380;1424744093;asciilifeform;how's that
1031381;1424744101;mircea_popescu;state's paying your mortgage, for one.
1031382;1424744114;asciilifeform;not everybody likes buggery..
1031383;1424744118;mircea_popescu;ever seen someone in that demo be BORED ?
1031384;1424744121;mircea_popescu;eh get out.
1031385;1424744131;mircea_popescu;most people don't bother fucking their wives, why do you imagine they'd bother with some dude.
1031386;1424744140;asciilifeform;wai wat
1031387;1424744147;mircea_popescu;ask around.
1031388;1424744155;BingoBoingo;I don't have children so would like to avoid prison and buggery. Still my survival strategy would consist largely of join the first white power gang that comes knocking.
1031389;1424744157;*;asciilifeform checks coordinates, seems like on same planet as mircea_popescu - but wat
1031390;1424744197;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform stop the first woman over 30 you see, ask her if she had sex today.
1031391;1424744213;BingoBoingo;!up nullB
1031392;1424744249;*;asciilifeform would have to leave the bubble dome to do mircea_popescu's suggested experiment
1031393;1424744257;mircea_popescu;why ?
1031394;1424744288;*;asciilifeform on typical day doesn't see any women other than one kept as pet
1031395;1424744306;mircea_popescu;now multiply this by a reddit, and you see where we are.
1031396;1424744322;BingoBoingo;!b 4
1031397;1424744322;assbot;Last 4 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/2MVQH2F.txt )
1031398;1424744337;mircea_popescu;but it's fine, send the pet out on a fact finding expedition.
1031399;1424744362;BingoBoingo;In USia this is an elite athlete >> http://deadspin.com/cc-sabathia-gained-a-bunch-of-weight-on-purpose-1687422053
1031400;1424744364;assbot;CC Sabathia Gained A Bunch Of Weight, On Purpose ... ( http://bit.ly/1MNVtsM )
1031401;1424744365;asciilifeform;pet could quite likely walk until its legs give out, without finding the fact
1031402;1424744422;mircea_popescu;what if you get 12 out of 12 nos ?
1031403;1424744427;mircea_popescu;will it be a meta-fucking ?
1031404;1424744430;asciilifeform;i can believe this
1031405;1424744441;mircea_popescu;most people don't bother fucking their wives. why'd they bother with some random dude.
1031406;1424744462;asciilifeform;afaik this normally happens because the wife breaks down
1031407;1424744477;mircea_popescu;not to say rape doesn't exist in prison. however, celebrity also exists in california.
1031408;1424744486;mircea_popescu;you can live a whole life w/o running into either just fine.
1031409;1424744491;mircea_popescu;eh bs.
1031410;1424744495;BingoBoingo;<mircea_popescu> most people don't bother fucking their wives. why'd they bother with some random dude. << Prolly so random dude doesn't fuck them. WHy do dogs sniff assholes
1031411;1424744510;mircea_popescu;i never heard of a farmer not milking his cows because "they broke down", or not slaugthering the pigs etc.
1031412;1424744554;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: there is not (yet!) an industry in usa devoted to helping pigs slaughter farmers
1031413;1424744561;mircea_popescu;heh.
1031414;1424744583;mircea_popescu;anyway, to make this easier to approach, i would propose the situation depicted in american history x is perhaps the best summary of the situation.
1031415;1424744597;mircea_popescu;there's exactly one rape there, and it comes out of a political struggle.
1031416;1424744641;BingoBoingo;<mircea_popescu> there's exactly one rape there, and it comes out of a political struggle. << Is rape ever anything other than politics?
1031417;1424744666;mircea_popescu;well that's complicated.
1031418;1424744842;mircea_popescu;a while back i ran a "what'd you do with 100k euro" thing on my blog (because some fucktarded populists were "promoting a law" to give every schmuck 20k - romanians don't want living wages, they want universal windfalls)
1031419;1424744857;mircea_popescu;most people that had a decent career etc wanted - 1 year's vacation. and to sleep.
1031420;1424744867;asciilifeform;sleep!
1031421;1424744871;*;asciilifeform salivates
1031422;1424744887;*;asciilifeform has sleep fantasies
1031423;1424744901;mircea_popescu;see ?
1031424;1424744911;mircea_popescu;so they put you in this place, which is fundamentally quiet. you can't be disturbed.
1031425;1424744914;mircea_popescu;think about it.
1031426;1424744920;mircea_popescu;and then... well... you can sleep.
1031427;1424744921;asciilifeform;aha lol in what country
1031428;1424744922;mircea_popescu;you can think.
1031429;1424744930;mircea_popescu;in all countries.
1031430;1424744932;asciilifeform;gotta get really lucky in usa to go straight to supermax
1031431;1424744938;mircea_popescu;solitary is a "punishment"
1031432;1424744947;asciilifeform;(usg term for the classic dungeon where you get to sit alone)
1031433;1424744976;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform but understand : there can be no further emergencies.
1031434;1424744980;mircea_popescu;nothing's important.
1031435;1424744999;BingoBoingo;<asciilifeform> gotta get really lucky in usa to go straight to supermax << Illinois closed its onlu supermax at Tamms not long ago. Now there is only Noisemax unless you go federal
1031436;1424745002;asciilifeform;interestingly, ru supermax is 2 schmucks per cell.
1031437;1424745005;asciilifeform;(modern ru)
1031438;1424745098;asciilifeform;at any rate, the 'eat a horse' effect is at work
1031439;1424745106;asciilifeform;very few people would enjoy actually eating the horse
1031440;1424745113;asciilifeform;or, more to the point, drinking the sea
1031441;1424745120;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: You forget failed Anglos founded USia, roommate jsut means orfice to use as escape from sensory deprivation
1031442;1424745130;mircea_popescu;some time with their thoughts hindered no adult thinker.
1031443;1424745195;mircea_popescu;getting to do it while someone else pays for it - not just the roof and food, but the "whose fault it is!" is ideal.
1031444;1424745231;mircea_popescu;in other news, finally discovered the reason contemporary muzak sucks so bad. http://40.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_ln598igfTB1qa258ao1_500.jpg
1031445;1424745232;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1MNWdyc )
1031446;1424745297;BingoBoingo;<mircea_popescu> some time with their thoughts hindered no adult thinker. << No guarentee roommate would be adult thinker
1031447;1424745317;mircea_popescu;eh, what's he gonna do, dance all night ?
1031448;1424745535;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: did the 20k thing ever actually happen ?
1031449;1424745553;mircea_popescu;naw lol
1031450;1424745560;mircea_popescu;nor did any of the guys end up in prison
1031451;1424745569;mircea_popescu;it is the fate of the intellectual to discuss things that shall never be.
1031452;1424745601;asciilifeform;the 'living wage' thing is much closer to things that actually happen, because pumping staight from treasury to rentiers (who jack prices immediately on anything subsidized) is apparently a-ok
1031453;1424745624;asciilifeform;(see the u.s. 'college racket' etc)
1031454;1424745626;mircea_popescu;you gotta understand, you go to jail in romania for being a socialist.
1031455;1424745647;asciilifeform;anyone actually sitting for this at the moment ?
1031456;1424745666;mircea_popescu;well, they released adrian nastase
1031457;1424745669;mircea_popescu;but plenty in yes.
1031458;1424745685;mircea_popescu;(adrian nastase ~= nancy pelosi)
1031459;1424745766;asciilifeform;plenty in 'for socialism' ?
1031460;1424745775;asciilifeform;how's that work - what did they actually -do-
1031461;1424745808;mircea_popescu;be part of the red party.
1031462;1424745880;decimation;re: living wage < in the us, if you sum up everyone on section 8 rent subsidy, medicaid, medicare, social security, mortgage deduction and then us mil, us civil service, you probably have swedish level 'welfare'
1031463;1424745904;mircea_popescu;college aid ?
1031464;1424745910;decimation;if I were president, the first order I would make would be to released the list of everyone who receives money from the list above
1031465;1424745951;asciilifeform;decimation: in general there's nothing secret about who they are - you can mostly tell by street address
1031466;1424745990;decimation;asciilifeform: if you drill, you find that the bureaucracy that disburses these payments is extremely jealous about releasing exact details
1031467;1424745999;decimation;for obvious reasons
1031468;1424746176;decimation;in fact, it's illegal for a real estate agent in the us to tell you how many welfare cases live on a street
1031469;1424746181;decimation;http://homebuying.about.com/od/realestateagents/qt/AgentDuties.htm
1031470;1424746183;assbot;Real Estate Agent - Fair Housing Act Violation ... ( http://bit.ly/1MNX6qu )
1031471;1424746197;BingoBoingo;decimation: Part of the obstacle is there's no unified list
1031472;1424746219;decimation;BingoBoingo: this is no accident
1031473;1424746230;BingoBoingo;decimation: I'm not so sure
1031474;1424746238;BingoBoingo;Could be incompetence
1031475;1424746256;decimation;do the checks arrive monthly?  are the ebt cards filled?
1031476;1424746268;decimation;someone has a list of accounts
1031477;1424746337;decimation;if pressed, I'm sure the bureaucracy would bleat that it needs to protect the 'privacy' of the recipient
1031478;1424746502;BingoBoingo;decimation: The problem is separation
1031479;1424746510;BingoBoingo;There's no master list
1031480;1424746518;BingoBoingo;Shit is compartmented to hell
1031481;1424746526;decimation;some of the programs mentioned above are run by the states
1031482;1424746536;decimation;turns out arizona is on my program: http://azdailysun.com/news/state-and-regional/panel-oks-measure-to-release-welfare-recipients-names/article_03e548da-6d5a-5d00-bfab-6b14e8d00ed3.html
1031483;1424746537;assbot;Panel OKs measure to release welfare recipients' names ... ( http://bit.ly/1MNXtBw )
1031484;1424746716;BingoBoingo;Domain naming exercise
1031485;1424746718;BingoBoingo;http://www.sportsonearth.com/article/110165322/bj-upton-switches-name-melvin-baseball-history-name-changes
1031486;1424746720;assbot; MLB stas before and after name changes. | SportsonEarth.com : Tim Healey Article ... ( http://bit.ly/1MNXDZE )
1031487;1424746731;ben_vulpes;so it seems a good exercise would be to release that list of recipients anyways.
1031488;1424746811;mircea_popescu;i imagine a better question would be to ask why the fuck does this matter.
1031489;1424746821;ben_vulpes;to poke the bear?
1031490;1424746832;decimation;mircea_popescu: don't you think shame is a motivator?
1031491;1424746834;ben_vulpes;to let people pick the density of welfare cases in their area?
1031492;1424746835;mircea_popescu;suppose i discover my next door neighbour receives 10 bn pesos from argentine government each week.
1031493;1424746836;mircea_popescu;so ?
1031494;1424746848;ben_vulpes;it's not you, it's the americans.
1031495;1424746851;mircea_popescu;good for her, i guess. or him w/e.
1031496;1424746878;mircea_popescu;well but see ? russian guy comes into play. "why the fuck wouldn't i take money if i can get away with it ? and why aren't you fucking cheering me for it!"
1031497;1424746898;ben_vulpes;yeah, 's always been my attitude.
1031498;1424746902;decimation;perhaps one component is that folks in the us imagine their tax dollars going elsewhere
1031499;1424746906;BingoBoingo;ben_vulpes decimation Honestly I think people who run up bezzel debt and weaken fiat are heros
1031500;1424746923;mircea_popescu;decimation perhaps the delusion here is that the fucking govt is an enemy not an alter ego ?
1031501;1424746933;mircea_popescu;which is really not the fault of poor/lazy/stupid people
1031502;1424746994;decimation;well, if you think the government is an enemy and confiscates your stuff, what do you think about the guy who is wallowing in the proceeds?
1031503;1424747007;mircea_popescu;in any case it's not "your" tax dollars. it's obama's. he already stole them from you.
1031504;1424747010;mircea_popescu;they're his now.
1031505;1424747012;decimation;yes I agree
1031506;1424747021;decimation;the illusion was thinking that were 'yours' in the first place
1031507;1424747026;mircea_popescu;well wtf do i care, some guy steals some back ? more power to him.
1031508;1424747029;mircea_popescu;i hope he steals it all.
1031509;1424747070;mircea_popescu;a bureaucrat, getting paid "fairly" is a problem, yes. but a leech ? a leech is a revolutionary.
1031510;1424747103;BingoBoingo;!b 3
1031511;1424747107;assbot;Last 3 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/0S7E9SN.txt )
1031512;1424747236;decimation;there is a large component of america (in the upper classes) that still has a belief that those dollars in their accounts are 'theirs' (in the 'sovereign citizen' sense)
1031513;1424747248;decimation;such an attitude is obviously silly when exposed to any facts
1031514;1424747319;danielpbarron;is it possible to get money from USG without strings attached?
1031515;1424747320;decimation;re: fiat heros < ron paul agrees: http://www.ronpaulinstitute.org/archives/featured-articles/2015/february/23/the-washington-post-s-gross-mischaracterization-of-ron-paul-s-message/ “Sanity will not return to US leaders until our financial system collapses — an event for which they are feverishly working,” and “Before we can actually restore our liberties, we most likely will have to become a lot less free and much poorer.”
1031516;1424747323;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1Fmh1HA )
1031517;1424747391;decimation;danielpbarron: well, simply making less than the amount required for the earned income tax credit gives you free money from the irs http://www.irs.gov/uac/Check-Your-Eligibility-for-the-Earned-Income-Tax-Credit
1031518;1424747393;assbot;Check Your Eligibility for the Earned Income Tax Credit ... ( http://bit.ly/1Fmhae2 )
1031519;1424747424;danielpbarron;and you'll need it because that's not enough to live on
1031520;1424747492;decimation;to get the 'whole package', you are going to need to be a minority more than likely
1031521;1424747535;decimation;you want section 8 subsidy for rent (as long as you are poor), food stamps for food (trade stuff on ebay for stuff you want), and medicaid for medical insurance
1031522;1424747573;decimation;the trifecta is social security disability.  If you can prove that you are 'unable to work', you will be able to collect social security too
1031523;1424747606;decimation;I think asciilifeform said that the guy who wrote templeos is living on that racket
1031524;1424747606;BingoBoingo;decimation: As TLp notes there are gradients of SSDI and SSI
1031525;1424747610;asciilifeform;to let people pick the density of welfare cases in their area << they already can! (price)
1031526;1424747616;danielpbarron;i'm too lazy for all that work; it's easier to just do something useful in exchange for money
1031527;1424747650;decimation;danielpbarron: yeah it would take a good year or two of concerted effort to con/harass the appropriate 'social workers' into giving you what you want
1031528;1424747671;decimation;plus if you have any history of working at all, you are not gonna make the SSDI
1031529;1424747682;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: ...but a leech ? a leech is a revolutionary. << usg welfare folks aren't leeches, they're employees. (what're they paid for? ask tlp.)
1031530;1424747693;mircea_popescu;ok this is the lulziest thing i read al lweek!
1031531;1424747699;mircea_popescu;http://thelastpsychiatrist.com/2008/05/the_new_yorker_writes_about_po.html
1031532;1424747700;assbot;The Last Psychiatrist: The New Yorker Writes About Power ... ( http://bit.ly/1MNYMAa )
1031533;1424747713;mircea_popescu;so these total fuckwits imagine they asked a powerful person to... write on their own fucking forehead ?
1031534;1424747724;mircea_popescu;motherfucker, i don't even wear those idiotic card things.
1031535;1424747726;decimation;asciilifeform: re: what they are paid for << not to riot, is my perception
1031536;1424747744;mircea_popescu;last time i was in an access controlled building they had to provide an intern to run behind me holding my fucking card.
1031537;1424747751;BingoBoingo;;;google truth about SSI
1031538;1424747751;gribble;The Facts About the Social Security Disability Programs | Donna ...: <http://www.huffingtonpost.com/donna-meltzer/social-security-disability-programs_b_3014961.html>; The Ugly Truth About Social Security Is Revealed - Forbes: <http://www.forbes.com/sites/johntamny/2012/06/03/the-ugly-truth-about-social-security-is-revealed/>; The Hard, Cold Truth About Social Security - Tax- (1 more message)
1031539;1424747762;BingoBoingo;Google fail
1031540;1424747797;asciilifeform;the guy who wrote templeos is living on that racket << terry davis. and schizophrenia is still one of the more reliable ways a white man can get usg payola. though it's still an 'achievement', on part with getting a $1M research grant on your lonesome
1031541;1424747838;decimation;I'm sure you would need several signed and stamped notes from the 'mental health' chumpatron
1031542;1424747861;BingoBoingo;<asciilifeform> the guy who wrote templeos is living on that racket << terry davis. and schizophrenia is still one of the more reliable ways a white man can get usg payola. though it's still an 'achievement', on part with getting a $1M research grant on your lonesome << Who knows, if it wasn't for glorious tobacco maybe I'd be on that golden ticket
1031543;1424747868;asciilifeform;the history of never having worked is a plus (though davis worked just once, iirc)
1031544;1424747908;thestringpuller;BingoBoingo: "glorious tobacco" << how so? care to elaborate?
1031545;1424747955;BingoBoingo;thestringpuller: Nicotine is neuro protective against certain kinds of wetware failure modes
1031546;1424747983;decimation;http://www.foxnews.com/tech/2012/03/06/exclusive-unmasking-worlds-most-wanted-hacker/ < sabu change employment from welfare division to fbi
1031547;1424747985;assbot;EXCLUSIVE: Unmasking the world’s most wanted hacker | Fox News ... ( http://bit.ly/1MNZ0rf )
1031548;1424748002;mats;do asians qualify for this free money im hearing about?
1031549;1424748006;BingoBoingo;decimation: Old news
1031550;1424748014;asciilifeform;mats: quite certainly not
1031551;1424748016;mats;or do i have to be hispanic or black
1031552;1424748023;mats;bummer
1031553;1424748030;decimation;mats: unfortunately being asian puts you at the bottom of every welfare list
1031554;1424748058;BingoBoingo;mats: Watch telenovas, pick up the accent, and you can prolly pass as a more obscure flavor of hispanic
1031555;1424748071;mats;u rite
1031556;1424748074;decimation;it's well known that asians must perform several points above average to be admitted to 'elite' schools
1031557;1424748075;thestringpuller;decimation: so in theory welfare is racist to asian people.
1031558;1424748083;mats;i can develop a wicked tan
1031559;1424748104;decimation;in theory 'welfare' is colorblind, but in practice it is meant for particular minorities
1031560;1424748112;mats;yeah that's bullshit
1031561;1424748123;BingoBoingo;mats: Wicked tan, roll your r's, and become one with the lawn mower
1031562;1424748126;decimation;look at the list of 'danger words' on that 'fair housing law' that real estate agents must follow
1031563;1424748148;decimation;asking your real estate agent if there are "section 8" renters is considered to be 'racist'
1031564;1424748172;mats;i got a 2k+ SAT score, took 10 odd APs and honors classes
1031565;1424748185;thestringpuller;mats was born after 1988
1031566;1424748187;mats;didn't get into any of my reach schools e.g. columbia
1031567;1424748190;thestringpuller;AMIRITE?
1031568;1424748196;mats;duh
1031569;1424748233;*;BingoBoingo didn't bother with reach schools, went to desperate schools that needed outliers
1031570;1424748296;decimation;https://web.archive.org/web/20110727142404/http://www.mindingthecampus.com/originals/2010/07/how_diversity_punishes_asians.html " On an "other things equal basis," where adjustments are made for a variety of background factors, being Hispanic conferred an admissions boost over being white (for those who applied in 1997) equivalent to 130 SAT points (out of 1600), while being black rather than white conferred a 310 SAT point advantage.
1031571;1424748299;assbot;How Diversity Punishes Asians, Poor Whites and Lots of Others ... ( http://bit.ly/1MNZgGs )
1031572;1424748299;decimation;Asians, however, suffered an admissions penalty compared to whites equivalent to 140 SAT points. "
1031573;1424748322;mats;jesus christ 300 points
1031574;1424748349;decimation;interestingly, that article was 'disappeared'
1031575;1424748404;BingoBoingo;Well, the black test score bump can be explained entirely by the need to fill a competitive handegg team
1031576;1424748413;mats;i poured >500 hours into sat prep only to get trounced by suffering minorities
1031577;1424748417;mats;woe is me
1031578;1424748463;thestringpuller;mats: hey, we suffering minorities have it tough.
1031579;1424748473;BingoBoingo;mats: You know you could have cheated and taken the GRE instead
1031580;1424748473;thestringpuller;mats: actually asians were a majority at the school I went to.
1031581;1424748488;decimation;thestringpuller: that's why they are 'discriminated' against
1031582;1424748499;mats;me too. good competition, lots of white flight.
1031583;1424748514;thestringpuller;mats: get that white girl poonani
1031584;1424748535;mats;i get off on it too buttie
1031585;1424748571;mats;the subconscious domination of a white woman that is
1031586;1424748581;thestringpuller;i blame girls gone wild for that
1031587;1424748592;thestringpuller;and dave attell's insomniac
1031588;1424748596;mats;BingoBoingo: i thought that's for grad school?
1031589;1424748618;BingoBoingo;mats: it is. Admissions counselors don't know it is an easier test though
1031590;1424748662;mats;im not following, why would the score be accepted
1031591;1424748687;BingoBoingo;mats: Because idiots run the offices.
1031592;1424748716;decimation;my experience is that grad school, if worthwhile, is usually paid for by employers or usg
1031593;1424748742;BingoBoingo;decimation: We are jsut talking the admissions test now
1031594;1424748760;decimation;yeah, but there are plenty of schools in the 'degree mill' business - designed to collect these dollars
1031595;1424748787;thestringpuller;"degree mill" sounds a lot like "puppy mill" :(
1031596;1424748801;thestringpuller;luring unsuspecting single moms or something
1031597;1424748831;BingoBoingo;The thing is if you have a brain and can't get a perfect score on the GRE math portion with a BAC under 0.5 I dunno why you'd try college
1031598;1424748840;mats;on the subject, ive been spending my free time with grad students (harvard, fletcher kids) going through IR programs that are feeders to state dept
1031599;1424748866;decimation;mats: see the world, usg pays
1031600;1424748870;mats;ive been playing 'id the spy' for a few weeks and its good fun
1031601;1424748916;BingoBoingo;In the middle west it as more ID the FBI plant
1031602;1424748917;mats;alternatively, 'id the future asset' is also great
1031603;1424748926;decimation;being a usg shill in a foreign country would be depressing as hell
1031604;1424748945;decimation;although they make good money
1031605;1424748963;mats;with hazard pay maybe
1031606;1424748965;BingoBoingo;Because no one at SIUC philosophy or Mizzou's ISLT program was making the CIA
1031607;1424749011;BingoBoingo;<decimation> being a usg shill in a foreign country would be depressing as hell <, For sure, no point traveling if you can't try 50 shades of poon
1031608;1424749068;decimation;mats: I think they get free housing overseas
1031609;1424749078;mats;you couldn't pay me enough to work in a us embassy
1031610;1424749098;BingoBoingo;Block 326760, Fri Oct 24 05:32:44 2014 was OOM kill as I slept last night of indeterminant length
1031611;1424749115;mats;benghazi parts two through twenty will soon be upon us
1031612;1424749132;decimation;mats: but obama totally has your back
1031613;1424749144;BingoBoingo;I'm just glad I didn't do law school
1031614;1424749160;BingoBoingo;Talk about selling your soul
1031615;1424749167;danielpbarron;speaking of oom, pogo just crashed on height=221870
1031616;1424749171;decimation;BingoBoingo: my understanding is that most lawyers don't make much money at all
1031617;1424749205;BingoBoingo;decimation: They don't at all, and on top of it they have obligations.
1031618;1424749287;mats;depends. patent law and contract litigation is lucrative
1031619;1424749306;mats;for the half of lawyers that happen to be employed, that is
1031620;1424749309;BingoBoingo;Still way too many ways for USG to hang an honest barrister
1031621;1424749310;decimation;mats: yeah but only a small number of lawyers 'matriculate' into those professions
1031622;1424749541;ben_vulpes;they're not terribly hard to get into.
1031623;1424749549;ben_vulpes;demand side is huge from ford, intel et al
1031624;1424749561;ben_vulpes;plus all of the 'support'
1031625;1424749577;ben_vulpes;i saw a company offering to "create research equity" for other companies.
1031626;1424749592;ben_vulpes;apparently they expect one to buy a bit of research and put it on the books.
1031627;1424749606;ben_vulpes;this has made me wonder how much "book value" of these big shops is similarly inflated.
1031628;1424749617;ben_vulpes;oh, and let us not forget the "research and development" tax credits.
1031629;1424749635;asciilifeform;housing and discrimination etc << the bans on 'asking wrong question' were enthusiastically pushed by the real estate racket, who were all too happy to have price become the one and only legal selector
1031630;1424749682;decimation;ben_vulpes: apparently the company R&D budget is now to be used for 'merit washing'
1031631;1424749848;ben_vulpes;decimation: oh yes? this i'm not quite familiar with.
1031632;1424749901;decimation;ben_vulpes: I was reacting to your statement about third parties looking to 'create value'
1031633;1424749924;decimation;presumably, the director of the board knows exactly in which 'third party R&D' to 'invest'
1031634;1424749938;*;ben_vulpes had papers and dollars allocated from the semi testing company for "research and development" that largely consisted of stapling together existing systems and handing the whole package off (with specs and partlists) to the production line engineers
1031635;1424749971;ben_vulpes;i learned much from the sage japanese ee in that shop.
1031636;1424749984;ben_vulpes;also the sage american me.
1031637;1424750017;decimation;ben_vulpes: usg will 'pay' for R&D, so "R&D" is what you get :)
1031638;1424750021;ben_vulpes;actually now that i think of it the bulk of my career has been blessed by sages of various stripes who didn't particularly mind my derping around, or at least found me entertaining enough to tolerate.
1031639;1424750045;ben_vulpes;decimation: probably some of my earliest introductions to the bezzle.
1031640;1424750048;ben_vulpes;actually a funny story related
1031641;1424750052;ben_vulpes;legal caught wind of what i was doing
1031642;1424750070;ben_vulpes;because i asked them to put an nda together for a vendor i wanted to communicate some things to
1031643;1424750080;ben_vulpes;hounded me *incessantly* for patent paper work after that point.
1031644;1424750097;ben_vulpes;"but i don't really know that--" "fill out these papers, kid. we'll send you a check and something for your home office wall."
1031645;1424750121;ben_vulpes;'twas an "innovative" ground plane.
1031646;1424750137;mats;http://aje.io/gys3
1031647;1424750139;assbot;Spy Cables expose 'desperate' US approach to Hamas - Al Jazeera English ... ( http://bit.ly/1EpQE5j )
1031648;1424750146;ben_vulpes;granted, hardware in the wild that did the same thing cost ~1000x what i built, didn't work nearly as well.
1031649;1424750147;asciilifeform;mats: in log
1031650;1424750150;ben_vulpes;but a patent for that thing?
1031651;1424750176;mats;guess i needa catch up huh
1031652;1424750196;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes probably knows 1) how patents are used in modern usa 2) how patentmeisters in megacorps are incentivized to work quota
1031653;1424750204;decimation;ben_vulpes: my understaning is that patents are pretty worthless
1031654;1424750212;decimation;they are only useful to megacorps when warring
1031655;1424750267;asciilifeform;individual patent is about as useful to the megacorp as a particular cone full of radar chaff in a particular ballistic rocket in a particular underground shaft
1031656;1424750267;ben_vulpes;asciilifeform: lol i do now.
1031657;1424750285;BingoBoingo;!up shesek
1031658;1424750297;decimation;asciilifeform: there are some rare patents that end up being particularly 'valuable'
1031659;1424750304;ben_vulpes;life is educational if you keep your eyes open, what can i say.
1031660;1424750305;decimation;but it's almost always a 'post hoc' situation
1031661;1424750333;asciilifeform;decimation: just like the cone that takes out wash.d.c will prove to be great soviet roi
1031662;1424750341;decimation;heh
1031663;1424750385;asciilifeform;i know several folks who work or have worked at uspto. they will swear that the only -individuals- still seeking patents are certifiable lunatics
1031664;1424750416;decimation;yeah.  a patent is perfectly useless unless you have  > $10 mil lawyer budget
1031665;1424750429;BingoBoingo;<asciilifeform> i know several folks who work or have worked at uspto. they will swear that the only -individuals- still seeking patents are certifiable lunatics << I recently considered taking community college classes just to cross the patent examiner threshold
1031666;1424750449;asciilifeform;they end up filing things like this - http://www.google.com/patents/WO2012090213A2?cl=en
1031667;1424750450;assbot;Patent WO2012090213A2 - Resurrection machine - Google Patents ... ( http://bit.ly/1EpRnnb )
1031668;1424750455;decimation;BingoBoingo: it's not a terrible racket, although probably depressing
1031669;1424750477;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: terrible salt mine
1031670;1424750489;*;asciilifeform at one point almost ended up there
1031671;1424750490;decimation;my understanding is that roughly %100 of patent examiners hope to graduate to become rich patent lawyers
1031672;1424750513;asciilifeform;https://illuminutti.files.wordpress.com/2013/06/us20050027316-resurrection-burial-tomb.pdf << the patent i was actually looking for
1031673;1424750516;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1EpRu27 )
1031674;1424750516;asciilifeform;^ famous
1031675;1424750521;BingoBoingo;Well, patent agent may have been the right label. Slow news day so slipping into the drink.
1031676;1424750533;asciilifeform;^ beautiful illustrations
1031677;1424750534;BingoBoingo;Still sad sad racket
1031678;1424750661;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: I like the exact right use of a radiator there
1031679;1424750731;BingoBoingo;lol sheet 26
1031680;1424750778;BingoBoingo;Why am I still alive??? Sheet 26 of 63 is the single lulziest thing I have ever
1031681;1424750831;decimation;why did some 'tard burn ~$10k for this thing?
1031682;1424750885;BingoBoingo;decimation: The drawing on sheet 26 justifies everything
1031683;1424750892;asciilifeform;decimation: schizo?
1031684;1424750895;asciilifeform;why else
1031685;1424750917;decimation;asciilifeform: maybe he spent his social security disability money on it
1031686;1424750920;decimation;completing the cycle
1031687;1424751197;BingoBoingo;Worth it
1031688;1424751399;*;BingoBoingo reminds this inconvenience was necessary http://trilema.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/02/fetlife-huesmann-dcma.txt
1031689;1424751400;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1EpTHum )
1031690;1424751524;asciilifeform;'To properly evaluate the preposterousness of claimant's position, the
1031691;1424751524;asciilifeform;situation is exactly like a situation where a restaurant listing 200 items
1031692;1424751524;asciilifeform;on its menu would attempt to have content removed from a personal blog where
1031693;1424751524;asciilifeform;a patron listed two items from that menu, that he ate, and that gave him
1031694;1424751524;asciilifeform;enterocolitis, on the grounds that the restaurant has some sort of copyright
1031695;1424751525;asciilifeform;interest in the sublist of two items published by the unfortunate patron.
1031696;1424751527;asciilifeform;While it is directly clear why a restaurant in that position would move to
1031697;1424751528;asciilifeform;suppress the publication, it is nevertheless a fraudulent claim aimed at
1031698;1424751531;asciilifeform;infringing the rights of others.'
1031699;1424751535;asciilifeform;^ mega-l0l!
1031700;1424751628;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu ^ where this was even for ? isp ?
1031701;1424751641;asciilifeform;(re: last paragraph)
1031702;1424751693;ben_vulpes;db entries pulled via curl
1031703;1424751701;asciilifeform;aha
1031704;1424751705;asciilifeform;i recall the original trololol
1031705;1424751711;asciilifeform;but where was the above document for ?
1031706;1424751741;asciilifeform;also does dmca really have the provision for 'complainant must sue before date x'? (ianal!)
1031707;1424752095;asciilifeform;interestingly, even though ianal, i do so enjoy a good hardcopy iso standard (that describes something useful, naturally)
1031708;1424752129;asciilifeform;just got 'ada 95: the language, reference manual, and standard libraries' ansi/iso/iec-8652:1995 in the post
1031709;1424752134;asciilifeform;and it's a work of art
1031710;1424752177;asciilifeform;the pages are numbered like a bible's
1031711;1424752183;asciilifeform;with paragraph indices
1031712;1424752190;asciilifeform;for citing 'chapter & verse' at n00bs
1031713;1424752201;thestringpuller;!up The20YearIRCloud
1031714;1424752255;asciilifeform;and the thing has totality, even more so than common lisp - even character sets are included in the standard
1031715;1424752281;asciilifeform;as in, you can actually program without thinking about any building block that isn't in the book...
1031716;1424752309;asciilifeform;the down side is that you get to essentially write in pascal
1031717;1424752332;asciilifeform;(the similarity is more than skin deep)
1031718;1424753826;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: So in the newest Batman, the valet is the coldest killer
1031719;1424754547;asciilifeform;http://glaciergruff.com/Autonetics.htm << historical interest
1031720;1424754549;assbot;My Aerospace Years ... ( http://bit.ly/1LxUJEN )
1031721;1424754560;asciilifeform;^ re: 'golden age' usg
1031722;1424754610;BingoBoingo;!up tripleslash
1031723;1424754611;asciilifeform;'Part of the mathematics of the Kollsman was a search program built into the VERDAN to help the Kollsman find a star, lock on to it, then find a second star and third, to use for triangulation. If I remember correctly, we tracked stars like Canopus, Sirius, and Procyon. I don�t remember for sure. But I do remember that there had to be a most efficient way to find a star. If you knew the time of the day (the G&N could give yo
1031724;1424754612;asciilifeform;u that since it knew Latitude and Longitude), you could find the sun. From the sun, and predetermined celestial positions, you could find the appropriate star in the region. Once you found that star, it was easy find the next one and go back and forth between the two, determining position. Here�s the deal. How do you search for a star, though. The least inefficient way is to use a square pattern. Obviously a diagonal is a cl
1031725;1424754612;asciilifeform;oser distance between two points than a rectangular or square pattern. That still doesn�t help you find a star efficiently once you find the sun and slew to the star. So it was determined that the best, quickest and most efficient search was a �prolate hypercycloid.� I think you�d call it a clover pattern. Actually it is very special search, and with that shape has the highest percentage of quick find of a star of any
1031726;1424754619;asciilifeform;search pattern.'
1031727;1424754621;asciilifeform;^ -analogue- star tracker.
1031728;1424754672;danielpbarron;!up shesek
1031729;1424754686;asciilifeform;http://www.ebay.com/itm/191476427032 << l0l. must be common if so cheap on junk market
1031730;1424754688;assbot; B 52D Star Tracker Kollsman Automatic Astro Compass Type MD 1 Astro Tracker | eBay  ... ( http://bit.ly/1LxV4aD )
1031731;1424754689;*;asciilifeform floored
1031732;1424755076;asciilifeform;'We still have a saying, though, when we saw the Soviets building a copy of the Air Craft Carrier Enterprise, right down to the nuts and bolts�if you lose a document, just go to the Soviets. They have copies of all of it. Our security meant absolutely NOTHING.'
1031733;1424755133;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13328 @ 0.00039096 = 5.2107 BTC [-] {3} 
1031734;1424756109;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21449 @ 0.00038829 = 8.3284 BTC [-] {2} 
1031735;1424756225;danielpbarron;http://danielpbarron.com/shesek.log.txt
1031736;1424756226;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1Eq4Uez )
1031737;1424756231;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8043 @ 0.00038586 = 3.1035 BTC [-]
1031738;1424756344;asciilifeform;danielpbarron: gold
1031739;1424756405;danielpbarron;ty
1031740;1424756592;asciilifeform;http://www.eutimes.net/2011/07/russia-downs-us-missile-after-norway-obama-secrets-release << vintage tabloid lulz
1031741;1424756595;assbot;Russia Downs US Missile After Norway, Obama Secrets Release | EUTimes.net ... ( http://bit.ly/1w5siqB )
1031742;1424756847;BingoBoingo;!up tripleslash
1031743;1424756864;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: US seems to have surrendered radio quiet
1031744;1424756865;mircea_popescu;decimation: mats: unfortunately being asian puts you at the bottom of every welfare list << yeh azns took ur jerbz.
1031745;1424757003;BingoBoingo;danielpbarron: Bautiful mega lol
1031746;1424757065;danielpbarron;feel free to cite in qntra or w/e
1031747;1424757076;mircea_popescu;mats: the subconscious domination of a white woman that is << wait, you her or her you ? dat ambiguity
1031748;1424757164;mircea_popescu;mats: benghazi parts two through twenty will soon be upon us << myeah.
1031749;1424757173;mircea_popescu;the dodo bird makes great quarry.
1031750;1424757241;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes: this has made me wonder how much "book value" of these big shops is similarly inflated. << from the recovery practice, one would not usually expect more than about 1% of book value to be recoverable through asset sales.
1031751;1424757259;asciilifeform;'The only exception is a plan for more extensive practicing of security response tactics at launch silos, a move that requires signed agreements with owners of the private land on which the missile silos are situated.'
1031752;1424757260;asciilifeform;^ wat!?!
1031753;1424757274;*;asciilifeform ianal but thought 'easements' were sop, even for usg
1031754;1424757287;asciilifeform;(source: vintage lul, http://nypost.com/2014/05/22/air-force-security-failed-nuke-test )
1031755;1424757290;assbot;Air Force security failed nuke test | New York Post ... ( http://bit.ly/1w5uHSd )
1031756;1424757551;mircea_popescu;So bad have things become in the United States that one of their top right-wing commentators named Glenn Beck warned his listeners this week that the Obama regime was turning America into a Nazi-like Third Reich and leading the US into a �society of gas chambers�.
1031757;1424757552;mircea_popescu;lawl.
1031758;1424757574;asciilifeform;'crank bait'
1031759;1424757577;mircea_popescu;"Beck�s astounding comments about the Obama regime appear to have merit as London�s Daily Mail is reporting today"
1031760;1424757592;mircea_popescu;pretty good indication of the principle that propaganda works both ways.
1031761;1424757651;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform: mircea_popescu ^ where this was even for ? isp ? << well, turns out the datacenter (phoenix nap) refused to forward the counter-notification.
1031762;1424757700;mircea_popescu;they claimed that it's not properly drawn up. meanwhile i discovered that the dc in question (worth ~1.7mn) is actually owned by the same holding company that owns ccbill, which is a "high risk" cc payment processor, which has a business relationship with fetlife.
1031763;1424757713;mircea_popescu;so... we're in settlement talks. which, should they break down, we'll be in court.
1031764;1424757715;asciilifeform;l0l, sp4mc4rdz
1031765;1424757719;mircea_popescu;class action, the works.
1031766;1424757742;mircea_popescu;anyway, a slim chance i end up with my own dc.
1031767;1424757748;asciilifeform;1.7m << peculiarly small dc
1031768;1424757755;asciilifeform;some schmuck's cellar ?
1031769;1424757756;mircea_popescu;net assets.
1031770;1424757796;mircea_popescu;funny how pulling on a thread firmly unravels whole stacks of shit.
1031771;1424757801;mircea_popescu;"i didn't know they stacked shit that high"
1031772;1424757838;asciilifeform;(where i live, a traditional 19 inch by 40 'u' rack starts at a few $k / mo.)
1031773;1424757900;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform: also does dmca really have the provision for 'complainant must sue before date x'? (ianal!) << yes. this is what dmca is substantially : dc gets a claim. if customer responds with counterclaim, they forward it to claimant, who has 10 days to show proof they sued.
1031774;1424757913;mircea_popescu;http://www.copyright.gov/title17/92chap5.html << if you care.
1031775;1424757914;assbot;U.S. Copyright Office - Copyright Law: Chapter 5 ... ( http://bit.ly/1Eq8Mw4 )
1031776;1424757918;asciilifeform;aha
1031777;1424757945;*;asciilifeform always cared about the details of dmca in much the same way as he cares about the precise voltage of the electric chair he will sizzle in: not particularly
1031778;1424757965;asciilifeform;but here - interesting
1031779;1424757984;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform:  Still Maybe 3 mosins max in "collapse" an I have "longline" tower.
1031780;1424757990;mircea_popescu;well, none of these things matter to the layman until they observe another monkey fashion a club out of it and blooding some faces
1031781;1424757994;mircea_popescu;then it's fascianting.
1031782;1424758015;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: what kind of blood do you think to get from the stone ?
1031783;1424758025;BingoBoingo;"Murican" society is sinking. Batman's valet tonight was shot by his war buddie.
1031784;1424758038;mircea_popescu;turtles are not made out of stone.
1031785;1424758049;mircea_popescu;they appear so, to men without good clubs.
1031786;1424758069;BingoBoingo;Tortise shel makes the best ornamentation. Also gets sharp once club is used
1031787;1424758094;mircea_popescu;but the general rule of fist is, "nothing manmade can resist arbitrary pounding"
1031788;1424758128;BingoBoingo;<asciilifeform> (where i live, a traditional 19 inch by 40 'u' rack starts at a few $k / mo.) << I'm contemplating $200/month for offering welded shut case
1031789;1424758152;*;BingoBoingo is drunk
1031790;1424758169;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: iirc, colo facility doesn't care if you weld you case
1031791;1424758185;asciilifeform;(so long as it isn't messily done on the premises, i suppose)
1031792;1424758204;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: They don't. Still stl isn't asking 4 digits
1031793;1424758249;BingoBoingo;<asciilifeform> (so long as it isn't messily done on the premises, i suppose) << If was taking torch to pren]mises would have lance of great concrete cutting
1031794;1424758267;asciilifeform;at any rate, only the lucky fellas like mircea_popescu earn the honour of having a mook sent to physically wriggle inside chassis
1031795;1424758288;mircea_popescu;it's not entirely certain that ever actually happened.
1031796;1424758293;asciilifeform;aha see
1031797;1424758302;asciilifeform;still have to work to earn this.
1031798;1424758305;BingoBoingo;Might be possible in USia asciilifeform but geographical arbitrage is a thing
1031799;1424758343;mircea_popescu;lol @ that log. "widespread adoption", such a red herring.
1031800;1424758358;mircea_popescu;nuclear warheads also failed to reach widespread adoption, such a failweapon.
1031801;1424758358;asciilifeform;welding a server is one of those things that 'feels good' out of all proportion to actual military utility
1031802;1424758364;mircea_popescu;^
1031803;1424758371;mircea_popescu;what exactly is it supposed to do ?
1031804;1424758421;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: when done (rarely!) by sane folks, is generally 'part of a balanced diet' involving various vibration/temp/radiation/etc. sensors and rapid key zeroization
1031805;1424758446;mircea_popescu;so your welding really consists of owning the dc.
1031806;1424758510;asciilifeform;to steal from ed felton, 'you can't build a safe that is to be kept in the robber's living room' - except that some folks must anyway, so they craft safes that will set fire to the money at slightest provocation
1031807;1424758511;BingoBoingo;<mircea_popescu> so your welding really consists of owning the dc. << Ideallu solder and powersupply is chozen such that yes
1031808;1424758523;mircea_popescu;http://36.media.tumblr.com/c888c587c60a5917e2e58830cca6580f/tumblr_mvfuq8PRBY1sqwu1no2_500.jpg << have a nightmare. on me.
1031809;1424758525;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1EqaddV )
1031810;1424758549;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7350 @ 0.00039479 = 2.9017 BTC [+]
1031811;1424758554;asciilifeform;'what good is a phonecall... if you've no mouth'
1031812;1424758569;BingoBoingo;<mircea_popescu> http://36.media.tumblr.com/c888c587c60a5917e2e58830cca6580f/tumblr_mvfuq8PRBY1sqwu1no2_500.jpg << have a nightmare. on me <, hard to scare people with Par
1031813;1424758569;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1Eqak9f )
1031814;1424758610;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22862 @ 0.00039912 = 9.1247 BTC [+]
1031815;1424758649;BingoBoingo;<asciilifeform> to steal from ed felton, 'you can't build a safe that is to be kept in the robber's living room' - except that some folks must anyway, so they craft safes that will set fire to the money at slightest provocation << Shoot for Tepco can not cut without fine
1031816;1424758693;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: at any rate, if you must, use a standard hand-held spot welder
1031817;1424758697;asciilifeform;the kind with the clamps
1031818;1424758970;*;BingoBoingo blind, hates reflexively
1031819;1424759051;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: the kind with the clamps << /me usually solders by plumbing rules. More checks less death by inferno
1031820;1424759065;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: spot weld, not solder
1031821;1424759089;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: Who seriously welds a toilet down pipe
1031822;1424759097;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: http://www.jamesriser.com/TrialSpot/Weld0001csm.jpg
1031823;1424759098;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/17QPGC7 )
1031824;1424759102;asciilifeform;toilet - no
1031825;1424759104;asciilifeform;server - yes
1031826;1424759153;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: must understand world here is surplus stupid
1031827;1424759161;asciilifeform;http://www.vista-industrial.com/images/Spot-Welding.gif
1031828;1424759162;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/17QPT8e )
1031829;1424759187;asciilifeform;http://hp9000.blogspot.com/2013/06/see-spot-weld.html << make own
1031830;1424759189;assbot;The Hindenburg Principle: See Spot Weld ... ( http://bit.ly/17QQ1EI )
1031831;1424759254;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: So most teflon I ever saw in my life... was pulling shifts at Mcdonalds...
1031832;1424759270;asciilifeform;where was the teflon ?
1031833;1424759291;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: Top side of the clamshell grill
1031834;1424759325;BingoBoingo;Every aspect of "beef" patties was rabot handled
1031835;1424759345;*;asciilifeform the most teflon ever saw is a 1x10 inch rod in his machine room
1031836;1424759369;asciilifeform;yes, you can buy it in machinable rods like anything else..
1031837;1424759380;mircea_popescu;i had teflon wire at some point
1031838;1424759405;cazalla;<mircea_popescu> http://36.media.tumblr.com/c888c587c60a5917e2e58830cca6580f/tumblr_mvfuq8PRBY1sqwu1no2_500.jpg << have a nightmare. on me. <<< sorta reminds me of creepychan
1031839;1424759405;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1Eqc6r0 )
1031840;1424759413;asciilifeform;phun phact: it bleeds a little HF when machined.
1031841;1424759431;BingoBoingo;Mcdonalds used teflon in sheets to substitute heat for hygeine at any opportunity
1031842;1424759564;BingoBoingo;But sheets of teflon on clamshell grill, genius
1031843;1424759597;cazalla;do they do the mccafe thing in america?
1031844;1424759614;BingoBoingo;They try
1031845;1424759831;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: the rod is milk-white and very smooth, slippery.
1031846;1424759866;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: Actually that... Not a thing
1031847;1424759959;mircea_popescu;!up agentbob
1031848;1424760049;*;BingoBoingo sleep nao
1031849;1424760128;BingoBoingo;Nt aware enough to do right
1031850;1424760513;cazalla;wish i had the sense to do that the other night lol
1031851;1424760560;cazalla;i'm taking a sabbatical from drinking in any case
1031852;1424760568;cazalla;(yeah, heard that before)
1031853;1424762453;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 49100 @ 0.00040148 = 19.7127 BTC [+] {4} 
1031854;1424763734;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11604 @ 0.00039774 = 4.6154 BTC [-] {2} 
1031855;1424763795;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17449 @ 0.00042395 = 7.3975 BTC [+]
1031856;1424767011;[]bot;Bet placed: 1 BTC for Yes on "Bitcoin to drop under $150 before April" http://bitbet.us/bet/1123/ Odds: 31(Y):69(N) by coin, 31(Y):69(N) by weight. Total bet: 7.20805692 BTC. Current weight: 98,099.
1031857;1424767333;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13050 @ 0.00039658 = 5.1754 BTC [-]
1031858;1424773372;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3200 @ 0.00041379 = 1.3241 BTC [+]
1031859;1424773433;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35300 @ 0.00040907 = 14.4402 BTC [-] {2} 
1031860;1424773677;assbot;[MPEX] [S.BBET] 20000 @ 0.00007 = 1.4 BTC [-] {2} 
1031861;1424778939;chetty;http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/asia_pacific/pakistanis-face-a-deadline-surrender-fingerprints-or-give-up-cellphone/2015/02/23/de995a88-b932-11e4-bc30-a4e75503948a_story.html
1031862;1424778940;assbot;Pakistanis face a deadline: Surrender fingerprints or give up cellphone - The Washington Post ... ( http://bit.ly/1JGEvh6 )
1031863;1424780722;plonky;the most wtf of today http://presschain.com/decentralized-malware-on-the-blockchain/
1031864;1424780724;assbot;Decentralized Malware on the Blockchain | Presschain ... ( http://bit.ly/1JGKpif )
1031865;1424781133;plonky;soon pedopornography cyphered in the blockchain
1031866;1424781861;cazalla;i'm sure i've read someone already put kiddy porn in it
1031867;1424782023;cazalla;BingoBoingo, you'll love this.. from that getgems app you always talk about :P "So far our app was installed by 2,284 users and an average rating of 4.5 in the play store."
1031868;1424783071;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24460 @ 0.00040368 = 9.874 BTC [-]
1031869;1424783673;jurov;http://envisage-project.eu/proving-android-java-and-python-sorting-algorithm-is-broken-and-how-to-fix-it/
1031870;1424783675;assbot;Proving that Android’s, Java’s and Python’s sorting algorithm is broken (and showing how to fix it) | Envisage: Engineering Virtualized Services ... ( http://bit.ly/1D7hg6I )
1031871;1424783708;jurov;^ when anyone wants to complicate an algorithm for performance, hit them with this
1031872;1424783785;Adlai;"sorting algorithm" sounds a bit like "intelligence test"
1031873;1424783983;jurov;heh... i remembered feeble attempts by uni prof "but really, don't call it sorting but ordering"
1031874;1424784010;jurov;nah. sort'em all!!!
1031875;1424784089;danielpbarron;height=223223 vs height=191349
1031876;1424784240;jurov;now i am interested at the exact tradeoff factor "X% faster" vs. "crashes in 1 of Y cases" under which our civilization operates
1031877;1424784311;jurov;as in, aliens land, gather this number and "nah, too big risk, let's move on"
1031878;1424787410;PeterL;!up NomosOne
1031879;1424787690;PeterL;hi y'all, how's #B-A today?
1031880;1424787793;PeterL;!up hollywoodundead
1031881;1424787891;hollywoodundead;thank you
1031882;1424787935;PeterL;yw,np
1031883;1424787951;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 57747 @ 0.00039772 = 22.9671 BTC [-]
1031884;1424788012;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21453 @ 0.00040368 = 8.6601 BTC [+]
1031885;1424788262;mats;butts
1031886;1424788308;PeterL;butts?
1031887;1424788359;mats;butts.
1031888;1424788427;hollywoodundead;for sure
1031889;1424788464;PeterL;!up Xuthus
1031890;1424788470;PeterL;!up arvicco
1031891;1424788719;mats;http://www.bundesbank.de/Redaktion/EN/Downloads/Publications/Monthly_Report/2015/2015_01_monthly_report.pdf
1031892;1424788721;assbot;Deutsche Bundesbank  -  Startseite - Monthly Report - January 2015 ... ( http://bit.ly/1zcJLOc )
1031893;1424789466;BingoBoingo;;;ticker --market all
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1031895;1424789659;BingoBoingo;cazalla: I'm telling you that is the appcoin scam that will undoo coinfire
1031896;1424790279;BingoBoingo;Block 330204, 100 days left to sync
1031897;1424790605;PeterL;when downloading the blockchain, does the program ask for each block individually, or does it just ask for a starting block and the other node feeds it everything from that point forward?
1031898;1424790865;BingoBoingo;^ good question
1031899;1424790894;PeterL;or, where in the code might I learn how downloading the blockchain logic works?
1031900;1424791019;BingoBoingo;Where in the code is prolly going to depends on the version, but sync.cpp might be a place to start
1031901;1424791028;BingoBoingo;If your version has that
1031902;1424791158;jurov;http://btc.yt/lxr/satoshi/source/src/main.cpp#2057 PeterL this is what sender does
1031903;1424791159;assbot;Satoshi 0.5.3.1/src/main.cpp ... ( http://bit.ly/1D7EGcr )
1031904;1424791209;jurov;and blocks are received on line 2190
1031905;1424791794;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13633 @ 0.00038566 = 5.2577 BTC [-]
1031906;1424792082;BingoBoingo;So... Team hilary is really etting a head start on the primary season http://www.dorkly.com/post/72803/is-joe-biden-too-touchy-feely-with-anime-school-girl-constituents
1031907;1424792083;assbot;Joe Biden's Definitely Making These Anime School Girls Uncomfortable - Dorkly Post ... ( http://bit.ly/1D7Ho1i )
1031908;1424792192;jurov;virile males are completely undesirable in usg
1031909;1424792240;BingoBoingo;Seriously
1031910;1424792391;ben_vulpes;<plonky> [] the most wtf of today http://presschain.com/decentralized-malware-on-the-blockchain/ << don't use bitcoin it's dangewous!
1031911;1424792393;assbot;Decentralized Malware on the Blockchain | Presschain ... ( http://bit.ly/1D7IfiN )
1031912;1424792455;BingoBoingo;Bad google http://www.zdnet.com/article/google-bans-explicit-adult-content-from-blogger-blogs/
1031913;1424792456;assbot;Google bans 'explicit' adult content from Blogger blogs | ZDNet ... ( http://bit.ly/1D7IsSS )
1031914;1424792476;jurov;tl;dr: interpol got informed that buttcore 0.10 is out
1031915;1424792623;mats;http://news.yahoo.com/chief-justice-could-again-swing-obamacare-case-governments-060709462--finance.html
1031916;1424792626;assbot;Chief justice could again swing Obamacare case in government's favor - Yahoo News ... ( http://bit.ly/1BlPUz2 )
1031917;1424792669;jurov;when they're jumping, something gotta swing
1031918;1424792891;mats;<plonky> the most wtf of today decentralized-malware-on-the-blockchain << http://www.scribd.com/doc/250009335/A-Novel-Approach-for-Computer-Worm-Control-Using-Decentralized-Data-Structures
1031919;1424792892;assbot;A Novel Approach for Computer Worm Control Using Decentralized Data Structures ... ( http://bit.ly/1D7JGxI )
1031920;1424792894;BingoBoingo;The expanding 'Murican waistline https://twitter.com/CBSNews/status/570117968492941312
1031921;1424792896;assbot;Officials say 19 manatees trapped in a Florida drainage system have been rescued, and others escaped on their own. http://t.co/EQAkrPOFql
1031922;1424793073;mats;http://news.clearancejobs.com/2015/02/21/federal-workers-overpaid
1031923;1424793075;assbot;Are Federal Workers Overpaid? - ClearanceJobs ... ( http://bit.ly/1D7KaDK )
1031924;1424794235;BingoBoingo;https://i.imgur.com/4ZA1hua.jpg?1
1031925;1424794236;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1BlZDVO )
1031926;1424794412;BingoBoingo;;;later tell cazalla See the traffic spike yesterday was the exact middle of my predicted range https://www.quantcast.com/qntra.net
1031927;1424794413;assbot;                  Qntra.net Traffic and Demographic Statistics by Quantcast                   ... ( http://bit.ly/1yTZAP9 )
1031928;1424794413;gribble;The operation succeeded.
1031929;1424794437;jurov;any pro poker player around? we need someone who can do quick background check for us
1031930;1424794457;jurov;i'm going afk, pm me
1031931;1424794648;nubbins`;danielpbarron
1031932;1424794690;nubbins`;you follow instructions somewhere for your pogo build?
1031933;1424794706;thestringpuller;nubbins`: its on danielpbarron.com
1031934;1424794719;nubbins`;o! tyvm
1031935;1424794751;thestringpuller;np
1031936;1424795639;asciilifeform;decentralized-malware-on-the-blockchain << lol, yeah, turdware loader wants to wait 3 wks and sift through 40GB to fire 2nd stage payload, sure.
1031937;1424795658;asciilifeform;got a bridge to sell ya.
1031938;1424795783;asciilifeform;incidentally, i suggested this not long after first coming to #b-a.
1031939;1424795789;asciilifeform;-somebody-'s been reading the logs.
1031940;1424795824;thestringpuller;getting a bitcoin client to deploy a payload kept on the blockchain would be a frightening event...
1031941;1424795842;asciilifeform;no mention of diddled clients in the linked piece
1031942;1424795862;asciilifeform;just the fact of keeping turdware (or c&c data) in the blockchain
1031943;1424795863;nubbins`;hopefully they won't find the diddles in our 0.5.3.1
1031944;1424795865;nubbins`;i mean uh
1031945;1424795877;nubbins`;!b 9
1031946;1424795877;assbot;Last 9 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/30TFVRE.txt )
1031947;1424795896;*;nubbins` dusts hands, wanders away
1031948;1424795899;thestringpuller;nubbins` is like guy who will joke about dufflebags of cocaine in trunk of car while crossing border
1031949;1424795906;asciilifeform;l0l
1031950;1424795918;nubbins`;haha
1031951;1424795935;nubbins`;if that doesn't encourage log readers to actually read and absorb the fuckin patches
1031952;1424795938;*;nubbins` shrugs
1031953;1424795991;nubbins`;but seriously though, i don't think we should have merged the foundation tax thing into the code
1031954;1424796004;nubbins`;!b 6
1031955;1424796005;assbot;Last 6 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/3TN4YNN.txt )
1031956;1424796006;asciilifeform;wai wat
1031957;1424796013;*;nubbins` cackles
1031958;1424796017;jurov;lol "absorb patches"
1031959;1424796034;nubbins`;y'know, like nicotine
1031960;1424796047;nubbins`;or EMLA!
1031961;1424796086;nubbins`;danielpbarron this stuff is great
1031962;1424796091;nubbins`;such notes
1031963;1424796110;nubbins`;http://www.henrys.com/67130-POGOPLUG-MOBILE-CLOUD-DEVICE.aspx#
1031964;1424796113;assbot;POGOPLUG MOBILE CLOUD DEVICE POGO-V4-A1-01 ... ( http://bit.ly/1A3yKPr )
1031965;1424796127;nubbins`;^ it's actually cheaper for me to buy it from a henry's store, locally, than online
1031966;1424796129;nubbins`;:0
1031967;1424796540;chetty;http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/technology-science/technology/wi-fi-spy-barbie-records-childrens-5177673
1031968;1424796542;assbot;Wi-fi "spy" Barbie records children's conversations - and could be a target for hackers, say experts - Mirror Online ... ( http://bit.ly/1A3zFPJ )
1031969;1424796556;mircea_popescu;https://www.quantcast.com/qntra.net o.O
1031970;1424796557;assbot;                  Qntra.net Traffic and Demographic Statistics by Quantcast                   ... ( http://bit.ly/1yTZAP9 )
1031971;1424796562;mircea_popescu;nice going BingoBoingo cazalla lol
1031972;1424796615;*;BingoBoingo guess bump was going to be between 2k and 30k, hit the exact middle
1031973;1424796617;asciilifeform;http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2015-February/000050.html
1031974;1424796618;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1A3zRyp )
1031975;1424796620;asciilifeform;^ reposted
1031976;1424796662;mike_c;logs are failing me.  what was the big hit on qntra?
1031977;1424796685;mircea_popescu;mike_c the name&shame of vcs that did superfish was on slashdot etc
1031978;1424796690;mike_c;ah
1031979;1424796702;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform nice.
1031980;1424796728;mircea_popescu;danielpbarron btw, there should be NO references. all text referenced by url should be quoted in the instructions, and link to original.
1031981;1424796743;asciilifeform;statically linked!
1031982;1424796748;nubbins`;beauty!
1031983;1424796753;mircea_popescu;quite.
1031984;1424796781;danielpbarron;k
1031985;1424796814;nubbins`;not coincidentally, footnotes would be an adequate substitute ;p
1031986;1424796819;mircea_popescu;qntra is like, headed for trilema traffic levels.
1031987;1424796825;mircea_popescu;i guess it'll soon surpass it.
1031988;1424796828;mircea_popescu;nubbins` :p
1031989;1424796832;nubbins`;XD
1031990;1424796843;nubbins`;mischievous tuesday
1031991;1424796926;mircea_popescu;so ridoinculous btw. there was a time, 10-15 years ago, when something like this would have taken a site down.
1031992;1424796951;mircea_popescu;not anymore. the ddos back in sept was what, 100 to 1k x more visible in server logs.
1031993;1424796968;mike_c;it was nice of that guy to do load testing for qntra.
1031994;1424796976;BingoBoingo;!b 3
1031995;1424796977;assbot;Last 3 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/1FKCPWB.txt )
1031996;1424796979;mircea_popescu;i guess so huh.
1031997;1424797020;mircea_popescu;but people readily ignore this fact. normal traffic ? x ; being linked by all the internet ? a*x. being ddosed ? b*x.
1031998;1424797032;mircea_popescu;where a < 100 and b / a > 100.
1031999;1424797083;mircea_popescu;which both shows the absolute loss of gatekeeper power on one hand and the massive decrapification of the software on the other.
1032000;1424797115;thestringpuller;facebook wants to be the new gatekeeper
1032001;1424797143;thestringpuller;but it's like watching retarded kid on playground wanting to be leader one day as he eats glue.
1032002;1424797145;BingoBoingo;scoopbot -fetch
1032003;1424797164;scoopbot;New post on Qntra.net by Bingo Boingo: http://qntra.net/2015/02/half-million-dollar-ransom-made-in-bitcoin/
1032004;1424797164;thestringpuller;bad scoopbot
1032005;1424797170;thestringpuller;Good scoopbot :D
1032006;1424797187;mircea_popescu;it's just... what it meant being on rotten, or maddox, or drudge coupla decades ago is completely unrelated to what it means being on slashdot, reddit, or w/e today.
1032007;1424797208;mircea_popescu;sort-of like the difference between being a star in hollywood cca 1955 vs being "a star"/waitress in a la diner today.
1032008;1424797222;mircea_popescu;or, for that matter, being times man of the year in 1966 vs being times man of the year in 2006.
1032009;1424797285;nubbins`;there were less men back then
1032010;1424797297;nubbins`;which isn't the point, but a fact nonetheless
1032011;1424797304;mircea_popescu;well that may be. there were certainly less retards chasing the "Social media" dragon.
1032012;1424797308;BingoBoingo;nubbins`: No, there were more men
1032013;1424797317;nubbins`;i'm talking humans with penises
1032014;1424797325;mircea_popescu;there were more women, is fo sho. lotta girlies today.
1032015;1424797330;mircea_popescu;some of them 40+yo.
1032016;1424797333;nubbins`;you pedants!
1032017;1424797337;BingoBoingo;nubbins`: I'm discounting functional retards from that set
1032018;1424797342;nubbins`;natch
1032019;1424797370;mircea_popescu;new pick=up line. "i'm a pedant. wanna wear my pendant ?"
1032020;1424797371;nubbins`;things were more novel back then, too
1032021;1424797386;nubbins`;you think elvis would be the fuckin king if he was born in 1996?
1032022;1424797401;mircea_popescu;he would still be fat
1032023;1424797404;mircea_popescu;phat*
1032024;1424797410;nubbins`;he'd be nobody
1032025;1424797424;nubbins`;because there's no barrier to entering "the" "music" "biz"
1032026;1424797433;nubbins`;all those quotes are intentionally separate
1032027;1424797433;mircea_popescu;see ? it was all captn sanders. i keep sayin' it...
1032028;1424797472;*;mircea_popescu googled it. turns out the man's name was Marvel Jr.
1032029;1424797490;mircea_popescu;no, fuck wrong one. who the fuck was his owner ?
1032030;1424797502;mircea_popescu;iirc elvis was proper collared and everything.
1032031;1424797537;nubbins`;they all were
1032032;1424797544;mircea_popescu;colonel Tom Parker. there we go.
1032033;1424797554;nubbins`;well y'see boys we've got this here fancy recoahdin' studio
1032034;1424797594;nubbins`;guy was taking half by the end, wasn't he?
1032035;1424797643;mircea_popescu;yea
1032036;1424797651;nubbins`;born andreas cornelis
1032037;1424797655;nubbins`;now there's an american name
1032038;1424797655;mircea_popescu;elvis was dumb as rocks, if reports are to be trusted.
1032039;1424797665;mircea_popescu;nah he was finish or danish or something.
1032040;1424797670;nubbins`;no kidding. ever see the dude's movies?
1032041;1424797677;nubbins`;dutch
1032042;1424797679;mircea_popescu;yes, actually, saw a coupla.
1032043;1424797709;nubbins`;oh. andreas cornelis /van kuijk/.
1032044;1424797714;nubbins`;that's dutch, alright
1032045;1424797746;nubbins`;i recall seeing one of the flicks at some god-awful "grand ole" type place in the southern usa
1032046;1424797756;nubbins`;elvis smoking a cigarette while working under a car
1032047;1424797765;nubbins`;then shimmying with the ladies on the beach!
1032048;1424797795;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu> elvis was dumb as rocks, if reports are to be trusted. << And drugged all to hell. Owner screwed the pooch on that one.
1032049;1424797796;mircea_popescu;he has all the sexual projection of a highschool retard.
1032050;1424797825;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo i may be like, the first owner in human slavery history to actually discourage drug use by teh chattel.
1032051;1424797830;nubbins`; "braaaaaaiiih!" -elvis
1032052;1424797839;mircea_popescu;owner was just buying ibm in elvis' case.
1032053;1424797841;BingoBoingo;<mircea_popescu> he has all the sexual projection of a highschool retard. << "non-threatening" 1950's USia was retarded in this way
1032054;1424797843;nubbins`;"hurmalurmalurm" -elvis
1032055;1424797854;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo that IS true.
1032056;1424797942;mircea_popescu;nubbins` Jailhouse Rock was ok as far as that goes.
1032057;1424797949;mircea_popescu;he made a bunch of "good for blowjobs" movies.
1032058;1424797957;mircea_popescu;russ meyer, like.
1032059;1424797959;nubbins`;actually what i've been humming since that "braaaaaaaih" earlier
1032060;1424797989;mircea_popescu;lol
1032061;1424798008;nubbins`;hm, accidentally opened windpipe while drinking
1032062;1424798010;nubbins`;brb paper towels
1032063;1424798016;mircea_popescu;he played the most fucktarded names too. deke. vince. etc
1032064;1424798036;mircea_popescu;i think he was a chad once too
1032065;1424798059;mircea_popescu;todd gack mysteriously missing.
1032066;1424798146;nubbins`;the other day i watched a docu about a florida election worker who was lynched
1032067;1424798159;nubbins`;"hanging chad", 3/5
1032068;1424798160;pete_dushenski;scoopbot -fetch
1032069;1424798161;mircea_popescu;by elvis ?
1032070;1424798177;nubbins`;rimshot.mp3, just kidding
1032071;1424798196;pete_dushenski;;;later tell peterl who do i have to blow to get contravex and scoopbot talking to each other ?
1032072;1424798197;gribble;The operation succeeded.
1032073;1424798218;nubbins`;pete_dushenski yourself, paste imgur here
1032074;1424798248;pete_dushenski;well why didn't you just say so ? ;)
1032075;1424798269;mircea_popescu;lol
1032076;1424798274;nubbins`;what was it, mad men? "who'd you have to fuck to get this office?"  "myself"
1032077;1424798285;BingoBoingo;pete_dushenski: Probably the best way to solve this problem is to look at how blogs that play nice with scoopbot do RSS and crib off of that
1032078;1424798355;pete_dushenski;http://www.contravex.com/feed/ << doesn't work somehow ?
1032079;1424798356;assbot;Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski » Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski ... ( http://bit.ly/1A3DeWm )
1032080;1424798410;mircea_popescu;pete_dushenski maybe your rss feed's too long ?
1032081;1424798447;pete_dushenski;weird thing is: bablogs.btcscoop.com seems to have no problem with it
1032082;1424798447;BingoBoingo;pete_dushenski: Maybe like thestringpuller's it is missing a field?
1032083;1424798537;pete_dushenski;i just noticed that each article in the feed was set to show "full text"
1032084;1424798540;pete_dushenski;now chaned to "summary"
1032085;1424798543;pete_dushenski;changed
1032086;1424798565;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35179 @ 0.00038477 = 13.5358 BTC [-] {2} 
1032087;1424798571;pete_dushenski;in any event: http://www.contravex.com/2015/02/24/this-is-how-we-date-now-because-this-is-how-we-fail-now/
1032088;1424798572;assbot;This is how we date now because this is how we fail now. | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski ... ( http://bit.ly/1JHOPp4 )
1032089;1424798633;pete_dushenski;"Erik is a famous individual of the Bitcoin community online forum (screen title- evoorhees), as well as presently benefits Coinapult, derived in Panama." << lulziest spam comment i ever did see
1032090;1424798655;pete_dushenski;posted on my paper wallet guide, which in no way mentions voorhees
1032091;1424798670;mircea_popescu;prolly spun text
1032092;1424798687;pete_dushenski;a must be that
1032093;1424798695;mircea_popescu;(what the bots do these days is crib facebook for textual content, hack it together and use it as spam filler to fool bayesian filters. which are STILL a stupid fucking idea)
1032094;1424798744;mircea_popescu;scoopbot -fetch
1032095;1424798746;pete_dushenski;i seem to recall there being a trilema on spam filtering
1032096;1424798754;mircea_popescu;a few yeh
1032097;1424798766;pete_dushenski;http://trilema.com/2013/effectual-spam-filtering-for-wordpress/
1032098;1424798767;assbot;Effectual spam filtering for WordPress pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.  ... ( http://bit.ly/1A3DXXm )
1032099;1424798774;pete_dushenski;^ the one i was thinking of
1032100;1424798823;mircea_popescu;aha sounds like it
1032101;1424799107;BingoBoingo;;;ticker --market all
1032102;1424799113;gribble;Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 238.3, vol: 5909.75632155 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 232.091, vol: 8210.31175 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 238.34, vol: 23504.59916274 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 236.707548, vol: 132421.46550000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 238.0, vol: 3.23426211 | Bitcoin-Central BTCUSD last: 234.890000011, vol: 54.80316614 | Volume-weighted last average: 236.765056335
1032103;1424799216;mircea_popescu;that article of course was in 2013. meanwhile it's no longer 18`219 spam comments out of 96`421 total, it's 29`704 out of 112`367 total.
1032104;1424799229;nubbins`;anyone happen to have familiarity with zero-tuition universities, specifically euro ones, specifically how they came to ditch tuition?
1032105;1424799230;mircea_popescu;so they did go from under 20% to over 20% in the interval.
1032106;1424799272;pete_dushenski;nubbins` probably donations from alumni
1032107;1424799274;mircea_popescu;nubbins` generally you don't have to pay if you're very very good. at least the ones i'm familiar with.
1032108;1424799285;nubbins`;hmm
1032109;1424799294;mircea_popescu;same reason women don't have to pay to go to a club, especially if they go naked.
1032110;1424799302;nubbins`;i mean like countries where post-secondary is free, for everyone
1032111;1424799312;mircea_popescu;that doesn't exist irl.
1032112;1424799322;mircea_popescu;used to be, but soviet russia & friends.
1032113;1424799329;pete_dushenski;if it did, it'd just be grades 13-17
1032114;1424799363;nubbins`;i feel like an educated populace isn't a terrible idea, as long as it's educated in things that aren't fucking out to lunch
1032115;1424799379;nubbins`;i.e. your ph.d. in medieval folklore would definitely not be free
1032116;1424799380;mircea_popescu;the way to do that is forbid louts from having sex.
1032117;1424799404;nubbins`;available, perhaps, if there are enough of you to pull a couple classes together
1032118;1424799409;mircea_popescu;nah, that i can see paying for. what i can't see ever paying for is "social studies", "womens studies" etc.
1032119;1424799441;mircea_popescu;ie, "things with political importance".
1032120;1424799445;nubbins`;so suppose we say "free university for anyone who wants to study STEM"
1032121;1424799446;nubbins`;but it's not free
1032122;1424799461;nubbins`;because if there wasn't a catch, it'd just be a boondoggle
1032123;1424799468;mircea_popescu;stem should in principle never be free.
1032124;1424799485;mircea_popescu;because the only reason it exists is that it's useful. if useful can't pay useful can go hang.
1032125;1424799496;mircea_popescu;meanwhile, things that exist because thery're beautiful may get a pass.
1032126;1424799498;pete_dushenski;free stem turns to religion
1032127;1424799504;nubbins`;instead, it's the same cost it is *now*, except the government would pay the minimum monthlies on your student loans for as long as you remain in (the province, city, state, w/e)
1032128;1424799504;mircea_popescu;^
1032129;1424799523;mircea_popescu;think about it. who will remain ?
1032130;1424799527;mircea_popescu;all the schmucks that can't leave.
1032131;1424799530;mircea_popescu;why do you want them ?
1032132;1424799549;mircea_popescu;this is exactly like suicide : the people who succeed we want. the people who fail should have succeeded.
1032133;1424799629;nubbins`;hm.
1032134;1424799641;punkman;nubbins`: i mean like countries where post-secondary is free, for everyone << Greece is one
1032135;1424799643;nubbins`;why, indeed, would i want a bunch of fresh grads kicking around
1032136;1424799651;nubbins`;punkman AAH FINE FORGET IT
1032137;1424799656;nubbins`;D:
1032138;1424799662;punkman;;)
1032139;1424799667;mircea_popescu;punkman what, srsly ?
1032140;1424799674;mircea_popescu;no grade requirement, no nothing ?
1032141;1424799684;punkman;yep, 4 year degrees, masters, PHDs
1032142;1424799691;punkman;no there are grades
1032143;1424799711;mircea_popescu;no but i mean, do you qualify for free degree irrespective of any exam, grades, etc ?
1032144;1424799713;mircea_popescu;you just need a pulse /
1032145;1424799721;punkman;as in "uni entrance national exams" grades
1032146;1424799725;punkman;yes just pulse
1032147;1424799727;mircea_popescu;ah well.
1032148;1424799730;mircea_popescu;um.
1032149;1424799738;punkman;and until now you could take 10 years to do 4 year degree
1032150;1424799739;mircea_popescu;well which is it!
1032151;1424799757;mircea_popescu;heh. greece, the least rich eu country, adheres to nubbins` ideals!
1032152;1424799772;punkman;there are grade requirements for entry into uni, based on demand
1032153;1424799773;nubbins`;speak not of my ideals!
1032154;1424799801;mircea_popescu;naked woman just bent to pick up my garbage. i forget, what were we saying ?
1032155;1424799808;punkman;if you get in, it's all free. might have to pay for some books these days
1032156;1424799865;mircea_popescu;anyway. this is kind-of how it worked in all teh warsaw pact. except back then people actually had nothing better to do with their time, (LIKE IN A PRISON, ALF!) so they studied.
1032157;1424799880;mircea_popescu;and read and like, bought classical records.
1032158;1424799952;nubbins`;anyway outmigration is a big thing here
1032159;1424799963;nubbins`;and the usual is to get a degree (cheapest in the country!) and then fuck off
1032160;1424799995;mircea_popescu;yeah but this can't be fixed administratively.
1032161;1424800001;nubbins`;no kidding
1032162;1424800021;pete_dushenski;nubbins` outmigration out of maritimes or out of the country ?
1032163;1424800022;nubbins`;like you said, if the $150/mo student loan payment is the thing keeping someone here...
1032164;1424800027;mircea_popescu;if you want to fix it, what you do is, you pick a pimp, give him legal immunity for a decade, let him build cabaret street.
1032165;1424800029;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13300 @ 0.00038058 = 5.0617 BTC [-] {2} 
1032166;1424800033;nubbins`;pete_dushenski out of twodogland, specifically
1032167;1424800035;mircea_popescu;bare cunts dancing!
1032168;1424800088;pete_dushenski;nubbins` ya well administration after graduation is very much closing the barn doors after the horses have left
1032169;1424800100;nubbins`;in other news, the whole "we have oil, let's spend money" thing has given way to "the price of oil is out of our hands, let's aww fuck it's too late"
1032170;1424800103;pete_dushenski;admin before getting in (barriers to entry) can work
1032171;1424800123;nubbins`;the school system is a pretty big barrier to entry
1032172;1424800128;mircea_popescu;pete_dushenski the only thing that can work is making the place be cool. merely "not suck" is not good enough.
1032173;1424800154;mircea_popescu;have "toss the feminist" festivals, people (that aren't retards) may wanna come.
1032174;1424800157;nubbins`;it is cool, but it just can't pay manual laborers $70k/year
1032175;1424800161;mircea_popescu;otherwise... whatever, anonimity is hard.
1032176;1424800169;mircea_popescu;nubbins` lol the other kinda cool.
1032177;1424800191;nubbins`;it is the other kind ;(
1032178;1424800215;mircea_popescu;no it's not lmao.
1032179;1424800218;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=24-02-2015#1031876 << good point.
1032180;1424800218;assbot;Logged on 24-02-2015 13:24:00; jurov: now i am interested at the exact tradeoff factor "X% faster" vs. "crashes in 1 of Y cases" under which our civilization operates
1032181;1424800249;mircea_popescu;im curious too, vicariously. if you figure it out say.
1032182;1424800352;pete_dushenski;i'd argue that uni is currently very 'cool'
1032183;1424800355;pete_dushenski;or at least fashionable
1032184;1424800359;mircea_popescu;nubbins` how did you get the idea twodogs is cool as in, someone'd want to move there as a thing to do, rather than "whatever, they are giving out money here"
1032185;1424800382;pete_dushenski;this seems to accomplish the objective of keeping an inflated population off the streets and little more
1032186;1424800390;mircea_popescu;uni being cool don't enter into it. florida and arizona party schools are very cool, i would visit, i would not ever stay lmao
1032187;1424800429;pete_dushenski;ok so 'the place' isn't uni ? what is it ?
1032188;1424800453;mircea_popescu;back when new york was cool, it was principally broadstreet.
1032189;1424800473;mircea_popescu;generally, it's the "bare cunts dancing" district that makes or breaks a city's cool.
1032190;1424800493;nubbins`;mircea_popescu i'll blithely respond by gesturing to all the people in my life who came here by chance and never left again 8)
1032191;1424800519;mircea_popescu;you just opened yourself for a pile of rocks thrown eh.
1032192;1424800523;mircea_popescu;any cool people among them ?
1032193;1424800525;pete_dushenski;so you'd want to visit nyc then
1032194;1424800533;nubbins`;none as cool as, say, you
1032195;1424800537;pete_dushenski;but like arizona state or w/e, not stay
1032196;1424800551;mircea_popescu;pete_dushenski incredibly enough, it's not how that works.
1032197;1424800578;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14756 @ 0.00038411 = 5.6679 BTC [+] {2} 
1032198;1424800578;mircea_popescu;somehow "cuntslime on every rock" makes a place want you to stay. which is exactly why las vegas exists.
1032199;1424800579;pete_dushenski;so cities =! schools
1032200;1424800618;pete_dushenski;but vegas is also god awful
1032201;1424800646;pete_dushenski;pretty much on par with nyc
1032202;1424800654;mircea_popescu;how awful it is has no bearing on how cool it is. new york sucked at all points.
1032203;1424800659;mircea_popescu;so did london, so did  rome. etc.
1032204;1424800732;mircea_popescu;http://www.zdnet.com/article/google-bans-explicit-adult-content-from-blogger-blogs/ << heh. aren't you glad you followed trilema biases and never touched that shit.
1032205;1424800733;assbot;Google bans 'explicit' adult content from Blogger blogs | ZDNet ... ( http://bit.ly/1ae1osl )
1032206;1424800795;pete_dushenski;mircea_popescu seems like this is also how calgary is cool but largely sucks
1032207;1424800819;mircea_popescu;i don't think it ever reached the level. i mean it's been trying, ever since the 80s winter games etc. but...
1032208;1424800823;mircea_popescu;it's not easy, being cool.
1032209;1424800874;pete_dushenski;it's endlessly sprawling and full of self-important consumers, but the stampede draws out the ladies
1032210;1424800895;mircea_popescu;this is in no sense what i said, however.
1032211;1424800915;mircea_popescu;ladies that take "drawing out" are the anticool.
1032212;1424800931;pete_dushenski;ha!
1032213;1424800938;pete_dushenski;well said
1032214;1424800976;pete_dushenski;in that sense, it's really only vegas that strikes me as a cool place on the continent
1032215;1424801002;mircea_popescu;not really, not anymore. not since hughes bought the cool people out.
1032216;1424801016;mircea_popescu;http://hwcdn.net/t3r3e5a7/cds/wp-content/uploads/2015/02/240215tsa1.jpg << in other news... tsa now outsourcing their idiocy to airlines.
1032217;1424801016;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1ae2Zyc )
1032218;1424801030;mircea_popescu;because hey, why should you get blamed for doing something stupid ? force others to do it for you!
1032219;1424801068;pete_dushenski;in the sense that cool is relative, vegas, for all its abhorrence, is still cooler than whatever else there is
1032220;1424801079;pete_dushenski;by your definition
1032221;1424801083;mircea_popescu;https://tsaoutofourpants.files.wordpress.com/2015/02/corbett-v-tsa-iii-petition.pdf some corbett dude is really going after teh tsa.
1032222;1424801085;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1ae3hVO )
1032223;1424801100;mircea_popescu;pete_dushenski i can see that point yeah.
1032224;1424801122;mircea_popescu;problem is, it's like money : either you have fully monetized cool, and then it's cool and that's that, suck it.
1032225;1424801130;pete_dushenski;re: tsa outsourcing, 'tis basically just el-al protocol
1032226;1424801163;mircea_popescu;or else you have partially unmonetized cool, and then there's different cools vying. like, las vegas is the cool for people like liz blakely. however, san diego is the cool for people like leah mcfuckface, what's her name
1032227;1424801173;mircea_popescu;the dumb newsweek goon that "discovered" satoshi
1032228;1424801187;pete_dushenski;even qantas did this recently: 'are you carrying more than $10k in monies' and 'are you a tewowist' thing
1032229;1424801215;pete_dushenski;mcgrath ?
1032230;1424801223;mircea_popescu;such nuts. "wtf dude it's not your business how much money i got"
1032231;1424801225;mircea_popescu;yeah that.
1032232;1424801243;pete_dushenski;super such nuts.
1032233;1424801264;pete_dushenski;felt like they were trying to protect their dollar from alien invaders or something
1032234;1424801284;pete_dushenski;el-al at least sticks to 'oh so you were on kibbutz for 2 months, what's the hebrew word for milk ?'
1032235;1424801296;pete_dushenski;qantas was a whorish imitation
1032236;1424801307;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=24-02-2015#1031906 << wtf nation of fucking otakus over there or what ?! it's like the 5th grade, "o may gawd he grabbed her butt!!" of fucking course he did. what did you think it's for ?
1032237;1424801307;assbot;Logged on 24-02-2015 15:34:42; BingoBoingo: So... Team hilary is really etting a head start on the primary season http://www.dorkly.com/post/72803/is-joe-biden-too-touchy-feely-with-anime-school-girl-constituents
1032238;1424801345;mircea_popescu;pete_dushenski "it wasn't a diary kibbutz, it was a bombs and explosives kibbutz. DIE GREAT SATAN!!!"
1032239;1424801361;pete_dushenski;lmao!
1032240;1424801426;pete_dushenski;p.s. who is liz blakely ?
1032241;1424801432;mircea_popescu;a decade or w/e ago i last visited the us, they wanted to know if i have any real clothes.
1032242;1424801447;mircea_popescu;i guess this qualifies in the same line. but at least it was fucking customs, not the airline.
1032243;1424801457;mircea_popescu;honestly, it looked more like a private concern of the guy's.
1032244;1424801481;pete_dushenski;'real clothes' ? wtf is that ? were they suspicious of the gypsy with money braided in his fro ?
1032245;1424801495;mircea_popescu;lol. i had suits and white shirts etc.
1032246;1424801500;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: Did you not have your TSA approved paper gown?
1032247;1424801511;mircea_popescu;i never saw the tsa, somehow.
1032248;1424801530;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=24-02-2015#1031908 << very desirable, as shown by the infantile giggling reaction to even a faint whiff.
1032249;1424801530;assbot;Logged on 24-02-2015 15:36:32; jurov: virile males are completely undesirable in usg
1032250;1424801631;mircea_popescu;"In any business, including the Federal Government" << check it out ?! it's a business now ?
1032251;1424801639;mircea_popescu;"we're in the business of fucking shit up!"
1032252;1424801750;*;pete_dushenski would love to see the catholic church, or similar, admit the same
1032253;1424802227;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=24-02-2015#1031922 << this is fucking insane. "federal employees are not overpaid because federal govt is a business except it's not a business, and other businesses that are businesses skew the business average data!!!! federal employees are not overpaid by comparison to federal employees, in fact thjere's a perfect 1:1 correspondence"
1032254;1424802227;assbot;Logged on 24-02-2015 15:51:13; mats: http://news.clearancejobs.com/2015/02/21/federal-workers-overpaid
1032255;1424802240;mircea_popescu;where the fuck do these idiots go to school ? clearly it must be a special venue.
1032256;1424802288;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=24-02-2015#1031939 << duh.
1032257;1424802288;assbot;Logged on 24-02-2015 16:36:29; asciilifeform: -somebody-'s been reading the logs.
1032258;1424802615;pete_dushenski;especially when it pops up so readily on teg googles
1032259;1424802643;pete_dushenski;the lulzy thing about federal, and other gov employees, is that they think they're underpaid!
1032260;1424802668;mircea_popescu;well they ARE doing a great job at fucking shit up
1032261;1424802686;pete_dushenski;they imagine that private contractors, who charge millions of dollars for various and sundry services, are making mad bank
1032262;1424802700;mircea_popescu;that's not the problem.
1032263;1424802711;pete_dushenski;while the private ceo's might be, the average gov emplyee is better paid and works less than the private contractor
1032264;1424802712;mircea_popescu;they imagine that if they were in the private sector, they'd be contenders for vp of jpm
1032265;1424802720;mircea_popescu;rather than struggle to make it as a janitor at mcd.
1032266;1424802725;pete_dushenski;lol right
1032267;1424802742;pete_dushenski;the only published salaries for private employees are 7 figures
1032268;1424802742;mircea_popescu;just like pansy ass middle class priss imagines if she were a street hooker she'd dazzle everyone with her charms.
1032269;1424802744;mircea_popescu;and on it goes.
1032270;1424802763;pete_dushenski;and they imagine that their 6 would become 7 if only they were paid what they're worth
1032271;1424802771;pete_dushenski;and yet, they don't leave
1032272;1424802779;mircea_popescu;part of the problem is that they have plenty of time to daydream.
1032273;1424802794;mircea_popescu;which is how bad 'regulations" come about too.
1032274;1424802810;pete_dushenski;'this is how it COULD work'
1032275;1424802822;pete_dushenski;they'd be better off writing children's books
1032276;1424802843;mircea_popescu;as long as no children actually read the abominations.
1032277;1424802844;pete_dushenski;which, i suppose is what gov regulations really are
1032278;1424802868;pete_dushenski;they're for the child-at-heart-and-at-head
1032279;1424802896;pete_dushenski;so 'think of the children' is perfectly valid in this la-la-land because it equates to 'think of me'
1032280;1424802919;pete_dushenski;and what child doesn't think that they're the centre of the known universe ?
1032281;1424802927;pete_dushenski;hint: one without parents
1032282;1424802944;mircea_popescu;http://41.media.tumblr.com/850b5f8b02361ba9af41da92e628c270/tumblr_n2m23xkF1l1s9749uo9_1280.jpg one. http://41.media.tumblr.com/5eaa8bc7affa0a7bbfd1a3cb7b611a9c/tumblr_n2m23xkF1l1s9749uo6_1280.jpg two http://41.media.tumblr.com/5b8e0f5dcf3de1f5a64b9080bd4d4b7e/tumblr_n2m23xkF1l1s9749uo3_1280.jpg three
1032283;1424802946;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1BO2si3 )
1032284;1424802948;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1BO2tTe )
1032285;1424802950;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1BO2u9C )
1032286;1424803075;gabriel_laddel;And also for the American Universities the tide may be turning. Traditionally they have been asked to train the work-force for the American industry, while the question of educating the industry so as to be worthy of their graduates was left untouched. But, currently, companies in Silicon Valley seem to be folding up at a higher rate than they are erected. I consider that good news because it could drive home the me
1032287;1424803075;gabriel_laddel;ssage that neither slogans like "knowledge-based decision aids", nor a combination of adhoccery and brute force will do the job. (It is regrettable that large groups only come to their senses after their day-dreams have turned into nightmares but, this being so, we should occasionally welcome the nightmares.)
1032288;1424803076;gabriel_laddel;-- http://www.cs.utexas.edu/users/EWD/transcriptions/EWD08xx/EWD898.html
1032289;1424803077;assbot;E.W. Dijkstra Archive: The threats to computing science (EWD898) ... ( http://bit.ly/1D8bF05 )
1032290;1424803097;mircea_popescu;ahahahaha
1032291;1424803116;mircea_popescu;wait wait, the industry is to be trained to be worthy of all the outpouring social studies experts ?
1032292;1424803117;mircea_popescu;epic.
1032293;1424803160;mircea_popescu;yes, silicon valley is going to fail. this is BECAUSE OF US. nothing else.
1032294;1424803183;gabriel_laddel;bonus: http://www.shadbase.com/smells-like-teen-spirit/
1032295;1424803185;assbot;Shädbase - Smells Like Teen Spirit ... ( http://bit.ly/1D8bQIS )
1032296;1424803271;mircea_popescu;no doubt in my mind they'll actually do it. nothing else they could do.
1032297;1424803274;mircea_popescu;such glorious.
1032298;1424803339;mircea_popescu;wasn't dijkstra dead tho ?
1032299;1424803380;gabriel_laddel;nah, he lived until into the 2ks iirc
1032300;1424803382;mircea_popescu;1984 speech
1032301;1424803416;mircea_popescu;well, in THAT context his quote means substantially something else than what i took it to mean, made 30 years later.
1032302;1424803665;gabriel_laddel;eh, not much has changed in the intervening years. s/moocs/knowledge-based decision aids
1032303;1424803677;gabriel_laddel;"the tumor has grown"
1032304;1424803681;gabriel_laddel;surprise
1032305;1424803710;mircea_popescu;a lot has changed actually. in 1980s the battle was on to get ibm to stop fixating on "ibm men wear suits" to the detriment of all else.
1032306;1424803730;mircea_popescu;today the issue is more "who is going to deliver the 500`000`000 beatings needed by these idiot kids"
1032307;1424803770;gabriel_laddel;Hm. Seems to me that it
1032308;1424803816;gabriel_laddel;'s the same problem. Lack of contact with reality. Without a war or some such you'll have a class of people who revert to judging others by their suits/hoodies/lack of personality
1032309;1424803852;gabriel_laddel;That class has grown considerably, right along with inflation.
1032310;1424803878;mircea_popescu;perhaps. tho the "ibm look" of the 1980s was more of a testament of obedience, much in the manner an [insecure] master may mandate slavegirls wear collars.
1032311;1424803886;mircea_popescu;whereas the hoodies of 2010 are a testament of anomie.
1032312;1424803901;mircea_popescu;"we could be creative, there's certainly nothing keeping us from it" sorta thing
1032313;1424803927;gabriel_laddel;Another interesting EWD for those who've not had the pleasure of reading Dijkstra: http://www.cs.utexas.edu/users/EWD/transcriptions/EWD11xx/EWD1175.html
1032314;1424803928;assbot;E.W.Dijkstra Archive: The strengths of the academic enterprise (EWD 1175) ... ( http://bit.ly/1D8dLwR )
1032315;1424803929;mircea_popescu;"so they why aren't you ? why is it still the same three kiddie pools you're threading all over ? they're muddy and green ffs!" "sshh!"
1032316;1424804121;mircea_popescu;The final reason for my refusal is that the habit appeals to the quantitative mind and I come from a culture in which the primarily quantitative mind does not evoke admiration. [A major reason that we considered Roman Catholics to belong to a lower class was precisely their quantitative bent: they always counted, number of faithful, number of days in purgatory, you name it.....]
1032317;1424804135;mircea_popescu;an interesting point, tho im not entirely sure what value it carries. warp and weft, as he says.
1032318;1424804318;mircea_popescu;" (If you even wondered why I did not join Disneyland or IBM, you now know why. )" << gabriel_laddel see ? right there.
1032319;1424804461;gabriel_laddel;I had that quote in the scratch buffer right along with some others prior to posting in the chat. Did read.
1032320;1424804540;gabriel_laddel;It seems to me that again, the basic mechanism is the same. But then again, I wasn't there, and surely cannot comprehend the suit fetish in its full absurdity.
1032321;1424804566;mircea_popescu;anyway, thank god dijkstra died and i don't have to read 2014 abominations from him like i have to read 2014 "manifest destiny" abominations from buffett.
1032322;1424804585;mircea_popescu;it's always sad when a great mind dies. it's worse when it just goes dark and keeps on living.
1032323;1424804612;gabriel_laddel;;; google sickboy's theory of life
1032324;1424804613;gribble;Sick Boy's Unifying theory of life - YouTube: <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pQD-dXfHrvk>; Trainspotting (4/12) Movie CLIP - Sick Boy's Theory of Life (1996) HD: <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VnAR2qB24yQ>; Trainspotting (1996) - FAQ - IMDb: <http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0117951/faq>
1032325;1424804617;mircea_popescu;gabriel_laddel you readily can. it's like trying to keep a 16yo girlfriend today. think of that, you have the model.
1032326;1424804621;mircea_popescu;stupidity never ever changes, at all.
1032327;1424804689;gabriel_laddel;"The intelligence level shifts because the experience level shifts. Warren speaks on his experience from 1930 – Jay is from a different culture and different time in history. His intelligence should be measured by the decisions that he makes, not by stories he tells of his previous environment. Just the fact that he is making the decision to surround himself with a mentor like warren buffet should tell you a lo
1032328;1424804689;gabriel_laddel;t about this young man. His net worth of 607MM should say a lot to."
1032329;1424804694;gabriel_laddel;hahahaha
1032330;1424804771;BingoBoingo;;;google "Universe 25"
1032331;1424804772;gribble;CABINET // The Behavioral Sink: <http://www.cabinetmagazine.org/issues/42/wiles.php>; Behavioral sink - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Behavioral_sink>; 5 Sci-Fi Dystopias We've Actually Created (For Animals) | Cracked ...: <http://www.cracked.com/blog/5-sci-fi-dystopias-weve-actually-created-for-animals/>
1032332;1424804785;gabriel_laddel;(I googled "buffet manifest destiny")
1032333;1424804810;BingoBoingo;!up ascii_field
1032334;1424804815;ascii_field;danke BingoBoingo!
1032335;1424804882;ascii_field;mircea_popescu: you just need a pulse << not how it worked in ussr. sadistic entrance exams (for sci degree, that is. not for meritwash of apparatchik children, that was done american-style)
1032336;1424805017;mircea_popescu;ascii_field obviously not. i was asking him about his country today.
1032337;1424805032;ascii_field;there's a country where they have this ?
1032338;1424805037;mircea_popescu;otherwise, about one 18 yo girl per 1000 killed herself (chiefly by hanging) for having done a poor job on the exames.
1032339;1424805045;ascii_field;straight to jp
1032340;1424805048;ascii_field;where this is sop
1032341;1424805053;mircea_popescu;imo this is the mark of a good exam. if you don't get 1 female suicide out of 1k, you'e not really doing an exam.
1032342;1424805064;ascii_field;sounds pathetically low
1032343;1424805097;mircea_popescu;who the fuck is "jay"
1032344;1424805107;mircea_popescu;and who the fuck "surrounds themselves" with mentors. is this jay's movie ?
1032345;1424805110;ascii_field;you get 1 of 1000 at 'standard temperature and pressure' in some places
1032346;1424805144;mircea_popescu;ascii_field no, it's 1 per 10k normally, and notice the age specification. you'd get about 1 to 300k 18yo suicides normally.
1032347;1424805223;nubbins`;hm
1032348;1424805238;*;ascii_field is listening to a '3d printer' go, and it's strangely hypnotic - like 'dot matrix' printer but less grating on the ear
1032349;1424805260;nubbins`;i saw this ridiculous youtube ad about this asshole with an obv rented lambo
1032350;1424805266;nubbins`;talking about how he found 5 mentors!
1032351;1424805275;nubbins`;and he can now teach you their secrets
1032352;1424805291;ascii_field;at this point i can tell the topology being printed by the sounds, though not the geometry, and it's creating a strange picture in head
1032353;1424805331;nubbins`;the logical conclusion is 10 of them performing the imperial march
1032354;1424805340;ascii_field;eh already done
1032355;1424805344;punkman;I didn't explain well before, here's how it works: 1. last year of high school you, national exams. 2. you make ordered list of unis you'd like to study at 3. exam grades and minimum grade for each uni are published. 4. congratulations, you got your 27th choice.
1032356;1424805364;punkman;and you kinda have to be an amoeba to not get in some uni
1032357;1424805374;nubbins`;wake me up when they can play rachmaninoff ;p
1032358;1424805443;mircea_popescu;punkman thats exactl;y how it works everywhere, romania, france. "bacalaureat" is the proper term, tho prolly greeks don't use it ?
1032359;1424805456;thestringpuller;ascii_field: you're leaving your house quite often these days. I thought you may have developed agoraphobia.
1032360;1424805460;mircea_popescu;in any case, it's a great system, but a) most kids have to pay and b) i forget.
1032361;1424805466;ascii_field;thestringpuller: wurk
1032362;1424805486;mircea_popescu;nubbins` tu du du duuuum tu du duu duuuum
1032363;1424805494;ascii_field;^ aha
1032364;1424805574;mircea_popescu;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GGU1P6lBW6Q
1032365;1424805576;assbot;Richard Wagner - Ride Of The Valkyries - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1BmWm91 )
1032366;1424805600;punkman;mircea_popescu: it was great when they weren't all "no kid left behind"
1032367;1424805606;mircea_popescu;pity this got so fucking popularised. it's a great march.
1032368;1424805608;thestringpuller;https://twitter.com/BlueMeanie4/status/570067969130110977/photo/1 << d00d can't decipher sarcasm?
1032369;1424805643;mircea_popescu;punkman romanians just make them pay, it's beautiful. "got a 9.9x on natl exams ? ok, free. got 9.85 ? 3k a year. fu."
1032370;1424805646;mircea_popescu;so beautiful.
1032371;1424805670;punkman;and we are basically exporting all the decent graduates, since nobody wants to live on 500eur/month salary
1032372;1424805676;ascii_field;what kind of money is 3k-usd in ro ?
1032373;1424805687;ascii_field;a toyota ?
1032374;1424805689;mircea_popescu;ascii_field 9k gdp. basically, a salary.
1032375;1424805713;mircea_popescu;tbh, there's absolutely no reason college time costs more than 10-15k in the us, either.
1032376;1424805719;mircea_popescu;everything over that is just inflabezzle.
1032377;1424805725;ascii_field;mircea_popescu: that's not even the interesting part
1032378;1424805733;ascii_field;but the 10-20%/yr increment
1032379;1424805739;mircea_popescu;ya well.
1032380;1424805746;nubbins`;actually now that i think about it
1032381;1424805753;ascii_field;outruns every conceivable other thing
1032382;1424805755;nubbins`;there's been a tuition freeze here since like ~2001
1032383;1424805759;*;nubbins` shrugs, gives up
1032384;1424805771;ascii_field;nubbins`: where i live, the 'tuition freeze' is a total scam. they raise 'fees'
1032385;1424805780;ascii_field;that are mandatory but somehow 'not tuition'
1032386;1424805805;nubbins`;there *are* more fees now -- rec hall fee, xyz improvement fee... but still a shadow of  non-frozen tuition
1032387;1424805808;mircea_popescu;thestringpuller guy's just trying to matter, i wouldn't read too much into it.
1032388;1424805810;ascii_field;and housing cost, that of books (mandatory and unshareable because homework given through www for which password is a scratch-off card in book) etc
1032389;1424805830;mircea_popescu;ascii_field who in his right fucking mind would participoate in this ?
1032390;1424805834;mircea_popescu;i mean, just this. THIS.
1032391;1424805838;ascii_field;mircea_popescu: who do you think?
1032392;1424805841;nubbins`;in his right fucking mind is the key
1032393;1424805860;nubbins`;a better question, who would fuck everyone else in the world, in the ass, for a free book?
1032394;1424805871;ascii_field;who: folks who know they have a 1 in 10 shot at employment if they play, but 1 in 100 if not
1032395;1424805871;nubbins`;and the answer is actually a fair number of people, university professors included
1032396;1424805879;gabriel_laddel;;; google uncle al SPEED HEALS
1032397;1424805879;gribble;Backreaction: New experiment doesn't see fifth force, rules out class ...: <http://backreaction.blogspot.com/2015/02/new-experiment-doesnt-see-fifth-force.html>; Boils: MedlinePlus Medical Encyclopedia: <http://www.nlm.nih.gov/medlineplus/ency/article/001474.htm>; Kraven the Hunter (Alyosha Kravinoff) - Wikipedia, the free ...: (1 more message)
1032398;1424805880;mircea_popescu;those aren't people.
1032399;1424805896;gabriel_laddel;eh. http://mazepath.com/uncleal/ritalin2.htm
1032400;1424805897;assbot; SPEED HEALS ... ( http://bit.ly/1BmYnSs )
1032401;1424805899;ascii_field;^^
1032402;1424805905;*;ascii_field has the complete set
1032403;1424805908;nubbins`;and yet they're still determining what the course materials are
1032404;1424805972;ascii_field;mircea_popescu: actually my explanation is out of date, now that i think about it
1032405;1424805974;gabriel_laddel;ascii_field: has complete set of Uncle Al? Worth every satoshi?
1032406;1424805994;ascii_field;mircea_popescu: folks aren't signing up for uni because of employment, but as a temporary reprieve from... what comes next
1032407;1424806007;ascii_field;gabriel_laddel: yes. and even bought it for actual money back when al was selling
1032408;1424806023;ascii_field;still have the floppies.
1032409;1424806052;ascii_field;i tried and tried, without success, to get schwartz in here.
1032410;1424806070;mircea_popescu;gabriel_laddel we were going to put it on the cardano originally, but guy stopped answering emails.
1032411;1424806080;ascii_field;got enough of a squeak out of him to learn that he's alive, but he doesn't sit on the net much these days
1032412;1424806082;mircea_popescu;ascii_field of course. WHICH IS WHY THEY ARENT PEOPLE
1032413;1424806083;ascii_field;sorta went perelman
1032414;1424806092;gabriel_laddel;understandably.
1032415;1424806110;gabriel_laddel;I've given a few people links to PERUSING THE LIMITS OF FAILED SYMMETRY
1032416;1424806114;danielpbarron;http://imgur.com/3AyJ9FY ascii_field
1032417;1424806115;assbot;                        Imgur ... ( http://bit.ly/1zditHo )
1032418;1424806115;gabriel_laddel;they flip out
1032419;1424806115;mircea_popescu;same exact thing happens in romania, 20sometrhing yo girlie, still very much mentally 15, does not want to learn to suck cock, does not think a job's high enough for her reddit-powered pretense,
1032420;1424806115;ascii_field;schwartz is one of my personal 'heroes'
1032421;1424806128;danielpbarron;not sure if i did this right
1032422;1424806132;mircea_popescu;goes for a phd. parents support "education" becasuse parents are a) idiotic and b) mostly women buy the time she's 25 anyway
1032423;1424806134;ascii_field;i did a good bit of supercomp heavy lifting for his eotvos thing, pro bono
1032424;1424806142;danielpbarron;not seeing a /dev/ttyUSBx
1032425;1424806161;ascii_field;danielpbarron: what's on the other end?
1032426;1424806200;ascii_field;other end should be that little dongle
1032427;1424806207;ascii_field;plugged into your werkstation
1032428;1424806222;mircea_popescu;and the very few that do work, take up bs jobs a la "pr". which, in romania, is just about the 2010 version of "hairdresser".
1032429;1424806228;danielpbarron;ascii_field, http://imgur.com/NR0fbT6
1032430;1424806229;assbot;                        Imgur ... ( http://bit.ly/1zdiFGC )
1032431;1424806229;gabriel_laddel;(allow me to retract "flip out" - they don't address any of the arguments, say that it pattern matches for 'crank'. I point out that this isn't an argument and that every sentence is clearly falsifiable. Conversation terminates.)
1032432;1424806269;mats;https://harbor.ly/blog/bitcoin-the-stupid-way-to-fund-terrorism lol
1032433;1424806271;assbot;The Harborly Blog | Bitcoin: the Stupid Way to Fund Terrorism ... ( http://bit.ly/1zdiOKk )
1032434;1424806276;ascii_field;danielpbarron: and what happens?
1032435;1424806280;mircea_popescu;gabriel_laddel and all that just from an essay ?
1032436;1424806311;danielpbarron;the pogo light turns red after blinking green, and nothing new appears in /dev/tty
1032437;1424806329;mircea_popescu;mats as they say, *someone* reads the logs.
1032438;1424806332;danielpbarron;this was done to an otherwise untouched pogo
1032439;1424806361;ascii_field;gabriel_laddel: schwartz actually experimented with cleaning it up and submitting as proper latexed paper to journals
1032440;1424806366;thestringpuller;PM just told me of a NL company that does ecommerce
1032441;1424806367;ascii_field;gabriel_laddel: got similar response
1032442;1424806370;ascii_field;!s adelberger
1032443;1424806371;assbot;8 results for 'adelberger' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=adelberger
1032444;1424806387;thestringpuller;when you go to checkout, if you are using internet explorer, they charge you an IE tax to encourage people not to use it.
1032445;1424806391;ascii_field;^ the piece of shit who has to die for there being any chance of al's experiment being run in the english world
1032446;1424806406;ascii_field;and not only him, but everyone who did degree under him, etc
1032447;1424806414;mats;" Currently, for pure Bitcoin to Bitcoin transactions, there are multiple ways todiscover the location and identity of the individual in question." IPs are not locations
1032448;1424806442;mats;" When an indivdual wants to buy or sell any sizable amount of Bitcoin, they need to interface with a Bitcoin retailer like Harborly or an exchange likeBitstamp, all of whom adhere to extensive KYC (Know Your Customer) policies." whats OTC?
1032449;1424806465;mircea_popescu;"o look, we're stupid therefore carnot cycle doesn't exist"
1032450;1424806467;mats;mircea_popescu: their reading comprehension is awful if they went and wrote this piece afterwards
1032451;1424806482;mircea_popescu;mats it doesn't even load on my system, so there is that.
1032452;1424806487;mircea_popescu;otherwise i'd have left them a comment.
1032453;1424806534;mircea_popescu;ahaha "like harborly" ? who the fuck ius harborly.
1032454;1424806546;ascii_field;gabriel_laddel: if you're interested in the eotvos thing, absolutely must read the old threads here
1032455;1424806553;ascii_field;esp. how al's problem isn't fixable with money
1032456;1424806613;mats;idk. another exchange that loves bootstrap from what i see.
1032457;1424806617;gabriel_laddel;mircea_popescu: Yep. Aggressive intelligence frightens the luddites(?) who have temporarily taken over.
1032458;1424806624;gabriel_laddel;!up ascii_field
1032459;1424806639;mircea_popescu;another exchange that loves making total fucking asses of themselves, that's for sure. any of the old idiots involved ? rosenfeld ? kenna ?
1032460;1424806650;mircea_popescu;it has the old bitcoin fucktard impertinence to it.
1032461;1424806717;mats;i don't recognize any names on their about page
1032462;1424806735;ascii_field;ty gabriel_laddel!
1032463;1424806748;mats;connor black and gabriel ferrin
1032464;1424806768;mircea_popescu;well anyway. when a bunch of idiots decide to make "their own exchange" and pretend like it has to do with bitcoin, it gets laughed at in b-a and goes away in about 18 months.
1032465;1424806826;gabriel_laddel;mircea_popescu: I remember that a while ago you mentioned you lectured at local universities. Was this in Romania aor Argentina?
1032466;1424806847;mircea_popescu;romania. brief, mostly because friend ran it.
1032467;1424806902;danielpbarron;ascii_field, when should something show up in /dev ? when i plug the usb thing in? or when the povo turns on?
1032468;1424806906;thestringpuller;BingoBoingo:  Maybe like thestringpuller's it is missing << pete_dushenski: I think that got fixed. tumblr is lik dumb.
1032469;1424806922;ascii_field;danielpbarron: in a modern linux box, you get a /dev/ttyUSBx immediately
1032470;1424806930;ascii_field;whether anything is plugged in on other end or not
1032471;1424806934;ascii_field;(serial dongle cannot know)
1032472;1424806938;danielpbarron;i do not get that
1032473;1424806944;ascii_field;on the workstation end
1032474;1424806953;ascii_field;wtf are you  using for a machine
1032475;1424806957;ascii_field;and kernel
1032476;1424806965;danielpbarron;gentoo
1032477;1424806970;ascii_field;does it show up in lsusb ?
1032478;1424806977;ascii_field;and /var/log/messages
1032479;1424807281;mircea_popescu;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mOIZsiIPUOM << actually pretty decent scenes.
1032480;1424807282;assbot;Trainspotting - Deleted Scenes - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1zdkPGc )
1032481;1424807347;danielpbarron;ok apparently my computer has been dumping to /var/log/messages nonstop since my install and is now 21 gigs
1032482;1424807353;danielpbarron;something about nvidia
1032483;1424807356;ascii_field;l0l
1032484;1424807378;mircea_popescu;lol
1032485;1424807382;mircea_popescu;blockchain #2!
1032486;1424807386;ascii_field;whaddayamean you don't have a dedicated monitor for /var/log/messages
1032487;1424807390;ascii_field;like normal folks.
1032488;1424807409;danielpbarron;i don't even know what that means
1032489;1424807422;ascii_field;you know, box on a leg, displays things
1032490;1424807455;danielpbarron;oh
1032491;1424807487;mircea_popescu;gabriel_laddel for the sake of argument, can you identify an university that closer adheres to dijk's ideas set forth in your 2nd url than b-a ?
1032492;1424807496;gabriel_laddel;nope.
1032493;1424807505;gabriel_laddel;which is actually why I was reading it
1032494;1424807507;mircea_popescu;" The external pressures to do the wrong thing are enormous, but yielding to them would be fatal for the academic enterprise, while resisting the pressure reinforces its strengths. The pressures are, in fact, so strong that I do not know a university where there is not some faculty or some department that has yielded, but there should be no mercy for snake oil pedlars on campus."
1032495;1424807508;mircea_popescu;etc.
1032496;1424807538;*;ascii_field is rather fond of dijkstra
1032497;1424807565;ascii_field;he thought that university could become a fortress against dark age
1032498;1424807570;ascii_field;like in the old days
1032499;1424807572;gabriel_laddel;I've been having fantasies about WoT for academic matters. The ability to turn off an entire viewpoint in a graph-traversal. Ah.
1032500;1424807593;mircea_popescu;it's the intended use.
1032501;1424807601;mircea_popescu;not merely the "don't run code not in your wot".
1032502;1424807604;ascii_field;gabriel_laddel: except that they -have- a wot. just, firmly under sc4mz0r control.
1032503;1424807614;ascii_field;al schwartz, for example,. wasn't in it
1032504;1424807617;mircea_popescu;all the way : http://trilema.com/2014/how-to-deal-with-pseudoscience/
1032505;1424807617;assbot;How to deal with pseudoscience ? pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.  ... ( http://bit.ly/1zdlojA )
1032506;1424807619;ascii_field;and couldn't possibly enter
1032507;1424807621;mircea_popescu;studies not in your wot never happened.
1032508;1424807632;mircea_popescu;cultural diversity actually possible, for likle... the first time ever.
1032509;1424807640;mircea_popescu;ascii_field no they do not.
1032510;1424807643;ascii_field;precisely. ergo, to 'respectable academia', schwartz never happened
1032511;1424807644;mircea_popescu;they have a reddit.
1032512;1424807645;ascii_field;could not happen
1032513;1424807646;mircea_popescu;a reddit is NOT a wot.,
1032514;1424807656;ascii_field;how's it a reddit
1032515;1424807658;ascii_field;doesn't vote
1032516;1424807665;mircea_popescu;just like a crate is "like a car" except not a car.
1032517;1424807676;mircea_popescu;in the most important manner : it's summable. a graph is not.
1032518;1424807683;mircea_popescu;the value of a node depends on the path you take to it.
1032519;1424807691;mircea_popescu;this does not exist on reddit. values of nodes are "absolute".
1032520;1424807707;ascii_field;aha
1032521;1424807720;mircea_popescu;and it does fucking vote. what do you think "peer review" and "tenure comissions" are ?
1032522;1424807743;mircea_popescu;imagine the concept of "x is tenured for a1, ak but not for ak+1 an faculty members" ?
1032523;1424807774;ascii_field;the basic cockroach in the soup is that traditional academia fights for usg table scraps
1032524;1424807776;mircea_popescu;even the fact that "firmly under scamzor control" shows that it's not a wot.
1032525;1424807778;ascii_field;i.e. who gets to eat
1032526;1424807781;ascii_field;and who doesn't
1032527;1424807785;mircea_popescu;scammers can't control a wot specifically because it's a wot.
1032528;1424807797;mircea_popescu;re the entire discussion about "standardization" and how it's bad
1032529;1424807817;mircea_popescu;you recall that thread ?
1032530;1424807823;ascii_field;hm which
1032531;1424807827;mircea_popescu;why we don't want to all apply the same scoring criteria for people ?
1032532;1424807835;mircea_popescu;;;google trilema how the wot is attacked how the wot defends itself
1032533;1424807836;gribble;Advanced WoT course : how the WoT is attacked, and how ... - Trilema: <http://trilema.com/advanced-wot-course-how-the-wot-is-attacked-and-how-it-defends-itself>; You can't have door-to-door shakedowns in defeudalised France ...: <http://www.contravex.com/2015/02/04/you-cant-have-door-to-door-shakedowns-in-defeudalised-france/>; Jooz and stereotypes. | Contravex: A blog by Pete (1 more message)
1032534;1424807840;ascii_field;ah that
1032535;1424807844;mircea_popescu;yes that.
1032536;1424807913;ascii_field;it is deceptively easy to avoid the problems of usg academia if you aren't trying to deal with the question of how folks are to eat. just like it is very easy for an electromobile to 'not pollute' - superficially - because it lacks a tailpipe
1032537;1424807929;ascii_field;but electromobile's energy doesn't come from the gods
1032538;1424807963;mircea_popescu;the "folks are to eat" thing is not a problem.
1032539;1424807967;mircea_popescu;every volk eats individually.
1032540;1424807976;[]bot;Bet placed: 2 BTC for No on "Bitcoin to drop under $150 before April" http://bitbet.us/bet/1123/ Odds: 24(Y):76(N) by coin, 24(Y):76(N) by weight. Total bet: 9.25805692 BTC. Current weight: 96,641.
1032541;1424808003;mircea_popescu;how exactly they do it is really no-one's problem unless they start doing particular things.
1032542;1424808009;ascii_field;mircea_popescu: point being that it's much easier to honestly work towards some useful end when not fighting over crumbs
1032543;1424808020;mircea_popescu;this can't ever be a point.
1032544;1424808026;mircea_popescu;it mixes two things that can't be in the same sentence.
1032545;1424808045;gabriel_laddel;;; google Henry Kissinger "the battles are so vicious because the stakes are so small"
1032546;1424808045;ascii_field;this is quite reminiscent of the elektromobile thing, imho
1032547;1424808046;gribble;Sayre's law - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sayre's_law>; Academic Politics Are So Vicious Because the Stakes Are So Small ...: <http://quoteinvestigator.com/2013/08/18/acad-politics/>; Henry Kissinger - Wikiquote: <http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Henry_Kissinger>
1032548;1424808055;mircea_popescu;"In the wake of the Cultural Revolution and now of the recession I observe a mounting pressure to co-operate and to promote "teamwork". For its anti-individualistic streak, such a drive is of course highly suspect; some people may not be so sensitive to it, but having seen the Hitlerjugend in action suffices for the rest of your life to be very wary of "team spirit". Very. I have even read one text that argued that uni
1032549;1424808055;mircea_popescu;versity scientists should co-operate more in order to become more competitive..... Bureaucracies are in favour of teamwork because a few groups are easier to control than a large number of rugged individuals."
1032550;1424808059;mircea_popescu;there's the story, how convenient.
1032551;1424808075;mircea_popescu;find your own crumbs. that way a) we're stronger and b) there's no "income" tax.
1032552;1424808081;mircea_popescu;because it's your own god damned income.
1032553;1424808136;gabriel_laddel;Yep. It takes a while for people to figure this out though - especially when there are the remnants of actual intellects (von n., ulam) hanging around.
1032554;1424808158;mircea_popescu;well the advantage is that people can take all the time they need.
1032555;1424808168;ascii_field;works great for now, while there are plentiful crumbs scattered around.
1032556;1424808182;mircea_popescu;not being goal-oriented, but cause-driven, la serenissima is in no particular hurry.
1032557;1424808249;mircea_popescu;ascii_field there are always plenty of crumbs scattered around for the man carrying a large enough hammer.
1032558;1424808253;ascii_field;what would 'being in a hurry' look like ?
1032559;1424808276;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=24-02-2015#1032368 < that.
1032560;1424808276;assbot;Logged on 24-02-2015 19:20:08; thestringpuller: https://twitter.com/BlueMeanie4/status/570067969130110977/photo/1 << d00d can't decipher sarcasm?
1032561;1424808295;ascii_field;not sure how the imbecile connects here
1032562;1424808378;mircea_popescu;besides the point. that's what being in a hurry looks like. "omfg, i wonder if there are many people following me", said that blair deffective while walking towards the elephant rifle in hand
1032563;1424808392;mircea_popescu;he should have had twitter.
1032564;1424808397;ascii_field;lol!
1032565;1424808403;mircea_popescu;well ?
1032566;1424808424;ascii_field;but that's not 'hurry' per se, that's democraretardation
1032567;1424808431;mircea_popescu;no, that's hurry per se.
1032568;1424808453;mircea_popescu;!up ascii_field
1032569;1424808456;ascii_field;ty mircea_popescu
1032570;1424808532;[]bot;Bet placed: 3 BTC for No on "Bitcoin to drop under $150 before April" http://bitbet.us/bet/1123/ Odds: 18(Y):82(N) by coin, 18(Y):82(N) by weight. Total bet: 12.25805692 BTC. Current weight: 96,621.
1032571;1424808547;mircea_popescu;"Under current circumstances I would not even attempt to promote co-operation between the academic and the industrial worlds, because it seems pointless and dangerous. I have come to the conclusion that, industrial management being what it is, it is extremely unlikely that computing science can save the computing industry. Conversely, the computer industry can severely damage computing science; it does so quite regular
1032572;1424808547;mircea_popescu;ly by the donation of equipment that had better be ignored."
1032573;1424808553;mircea_popescu;no srsly, this is a great thing.
1032574;1424808564;mircea_popescu;i had forgotten just how on point dijkstra is.
1032575;1424808568;ascii_field;we did that one here, iirc
1032576;1424808598;ascii_field;and yes, he was completely spot-on
1032577;1424808618;mircea_popescu;"Academic computing science is doing fine, thank you, and unless I am totally mistaken, it will have a profound influence. I am not referring to the changes that result from computers in their capacity of tools. Okay, the equipment opens new opportunities for the entertainment industry, but who cares about that anyhow. The equipment has enabled the airline industry to make its rates so complicated and volatile that you
1032578;1424808618;mircea_popescu; need an expert to buy a ticket, and for this discouragement of air travel we can be grateful" << my exact brand of ecology,
1032579;1424808630;ascii_field;the actual field of comp sci was annihilated more thoroughly than anything the lysenkoists did to soviet biology
1032580;1424808641;mircea_popescu;amusing how spot on he was huh :D
1032581;1424808669;gabriel_laddel;"So, if I look into my foggy crystal ball at the future of computing science education, I overwhelmingly see the depressing picture of "Business as usual". The universities will continue to lack the courage to teach hard science, they will continue to misguide the students, and each next stage of infantilization of the curriculum will be hailed as educational progress.
1032582;1424808669;gabriel_laddel;I now have had my foggy crystal ball for quite a long time. Its predictions are invariably gloomy and usually correct, but I am quite used to that and they won't keep me from giving you a few suggestions, even if it is merely an exercise in futility whose only effect is to make you feel guilty."
1032583;1424808685;gabriel_laddel;- EWD1063
1032584;1424808728;mircea_popescu;heh.
1032585;1424808756;gabriel_laddel;"You don't need to take my proposal seriously because it is so ridiculous that I am obviously completely out of touch with the real world. But that kite won't fly, for I know the real world only too well: the problems of the real world are primarily those you are left with when you refuse to apply their effective solutions. So, let us try again."
1032586;1424808776;gabriel_laddel;and here we are.
1032587;1424808779;gabriel_laddel;trying again.
1032588;1424808782;mircea_popescu;amusingly, "Did the writer not know that the use of the term "the real world" is usually interpreted as a symptom of rabid anti-intellectualism, or did he not mind? "
1032589;1424808790;gabriel_laddel;lolyeah
1032590;1424808802;mircea_popescu;gabriel_laddel i specifically dispute the stance that we're trying "again". it's still the same one try, and it's still going oin magnificently.
1032591;1424808812;mircea_popescu;has been, for millenia.
1032592;1424808826;mircea_popescu;and yes, most derps & mooks have only a fleeting superficial view of it. so ?
1032593;1424808866;gabriel_laddel;On that timescale, sure. when it comes down to Schwartz and Stan having years of their lives wasted...
1032594;1424808874;mircea_popescu;to illustrate what i mean, here's a quote from the mooks in question :
1032595;1424808883;gabriel_laddel;to say that "we" have not been set back is nonsense.
1032596;1424808899;gabriel_laddel;what, the burning of the great library of Alexandria was just a blip?
1032597;1424809040;mircea_popescu;meh i canbt find it. anyway, it was yet another of the "bitcoin has failed" but this one was because "greed made it not applaud gavin"
1032598;1424809049;mircea_popescu;this can be rehashed indefinitely, but what exactly does it do ?
1032599;1424809060;mircea_popescu;i burned books myself, what of it ? they sucked.
1032600;1424809095;ascii_field;folks who mention 'alexandria' aren't usually objecting to burning books per se
1032601;1424809108;ascii_field;but some - presumably interesting - only copy of xxxx that is now lost
1032602;1424809114;mircea_popescu;maybe it sucked ?
1032603;1424809121;ascii_field;or not
1032604;1424809127;ascii_field;whole idea is, nobody knows
1032605;1424809140;mircea_popescu;so then how's it a setback ?
1032606;1424809160;ascii_field;in some cases ( mircea_popescu of all people ought to know ) partial copy of something survives
1032607;1424809201;ascii_field;one (often overhyped but afaik factual) example of a total loss that is later 'un-lost' is archimedes having had fluxions
1032608;1424809204;mircea_popescu;http://www.reddit.com/r/Buttcoin/comments/2v8f84/if_you_are_more_practically_inclined_and_having/ << since im digging up reddit. check out where "l'enfer, c'est l'autres" is identified as "using latin"
1032609;1424809206;assbot;If you are more practically inclined, and having understood, accepted and come to terms with your fundamental human inferiority as it flows from your poverty, some solutions to your predicament of "I wish to buy myself a basket" have already been discussed. : Buttcoin ... ( http://bit.ly/1zdoOma )
1032610;1424809228;mircea_popescu;ascii_field but you take an eerily supermarket view of this setback thing.
1032611;1424809231;danielpbarron;ok well i got the usb thing to show up in a live ubuntu, but nothing gets sent from pogo
1032612;1424809236;ascii_field;mircea_popescu: hm?
1032613;1424809239;mircea_popescu;tell me, if i burn the walmart in connecticut tomorrow, has capitalism had a setback ?
1032614;1424809248;ascii_field;mircea_popescu: walmart != archimedes
1032615;1424809255;mircea_popescu;books are the defecation product of thinking.
1032616;1424809259;ascii_field;quite possibly a species only ever gets one or two of them
1032617;1424809264;mircea_popescu;they aren't thinking per se anymore than an ashtray is a party.
1032618;1424809272;danielpbarron;do i need to modify uboot to make it send through usb?
1032619;1424809292;ascii_field;danielpbarron: the stock uboot iirc did spew something
1032620;1424809294;ascii_field;check your pinout
1032621;1424809305;ascii_field;also make sure your dongle is set to 115200 baud
1032622;1424809354;danielpbarron;it is
1032623;1424809370;ascii_field;try reversing rx and tx
1032624;1424809377;ascii_field;they're almost certainly backwards
1032625;1424809392;ascii_field;then - without unplugging the usb - power cycle the pogo
1032626;1424809395;ascii_field;should see output.
1032627;1424809429;ascii_field;failing this, boot pogo into arch and echo "something" > /dev/ttyS0
1032628;1424809429;danielpbarron;got it!
1032629;1424809439;ascii_field;works?
1032630;1424809457;danielpbarron;ya
1032631;1424809461;ascii_field;congrats!
1032632;1424809465;danielpbarron;tyvm
1032633;1424809477;ascii_field;before re-closing chassis,
1032634;1424809486;ascii_field;take a good close-up of dongle & pogo pcb
1032635;1424809490;ascii_field;labeled with rx/tx/gnd
1032636;1424809493;ascii_field;if you've the time
1032637;1424809496;ascii_field;for other folks
1032638;1424809499;danielpbarron;already closed it
1032639;1424809506;ascii_field;also note that it will overheat if run at length w/out heatsink
1032640;1424809512;ascii_field;(the aluminum plate)
1032641;1424809551;ascii_field;at any rate, danielpbarron now has an 'adult' pogo
1032642;1424809564;ascii_field;it is even theoretically possible to restore it if nuked 'uboot' as well
1032643;1424809585;ascii_field;(marvell will slurp up a boot image via 'xmodem' though tty if you feed it)
1032644;1424809591;thestringpuller;crafting completed. new skills unlocked.
1032645;1424809641;ascii_field;all the rest of you with 'pogos', i highly recommend taking the time to do this mod
1032646;1424809661;nubbins`;is the serial mod necessary or can i just ssh to the silly thing?
1032647;1424809671;danielpbarron;i'll try to document what i did
1032648;1424809682;ascii_field;nubbins`: it lets you debug boot, and see kernel output prior to nic init
1032649;1424809691;nubbins`;aha.
1032650;1424809699;nubbins`;so i don't need it unless i do, in other words
1032651;1424809700;ascii_field;also lets you resurrect a wedged box
1032652;1424809750;nubbins`;pret-t-t-t-t-y sure i've got an FTDI adapter here somewhere
1032653;1424809763;ascii_field;(expect mircea_popescu to retort 'throw the damn thing out' but i'll note that they aren't exactly in limitless supply - nor do we yet know of an alternate box that is)
1032654;1424810037;ascii_field;(i do have one of these, http://i.imgur.com/EuoNzHn.jpg - ~18 usd - but it suffers from lack of sata, 32M(ram) 8M(rom), and a wifi chip that cannot be disabled - built into cpu and embedded antenna)
1032655;1424810039;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/170NIyE )
1032656;1424810147;ascii_field;cryptome dead ?
1032657;1424810183;mircea_popescu;i didn't say that eh.
1032658;1424810323;nubbins`;!up ascii_field
1032659;1424810327;ascii_field;ty nubbins`
1032660;1424810823;cazalla;BingoBoingo: Bad google http://www.zdnet.com/article/google-bans-explicit-adult-content-from-blogger-blogs/ <<< the amusing part of this is that the author of that article sued a porn actor who used the same name as the author, poor girl had to get a new name
1032661;1424810824;assbot;Google bans 'explicit' adult content from Blogger blogs | ZDNet ... ( http://bit.ly/1zdrEYu )
1032662;1424810876;cazalla;girl in question http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Noname_Jane
1032663;1424810878;assbot;Noname Jane - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ... ( http://bit.ly/1zdrKzl )
1032664;1424811035;ascii_field;porn - a-ok in usa; viewing porn without usg permanent record of the act - nope
1032665;1424811061;ascii_field;never know who might have to be 'robert borked' in the future.
1032666;1424811401;mircea_popescu;google is scummy by now.
1032667;1424811445;mircea_popescu;ascii_field how's blogger.com banning porn further that ?
1032668;1424811461;mircea_popescu;no, it's just provincialism, the same idiotic middle age women that run apple now run google.
1032669;1424811465;ascii_field;mircea_popescu: not banned. permitted in 'viewable only to registered' sites.
1032670;1424811474;ascii_field;it's being herded.
1032671;1424811533;mircea_popescu;heh.
1032672;1424811550;mircea_popescu;cunts shackled and sad on the internet their forecunts had fought to conquer ?
1032673;1424811564;BingoBoingo;!b 5
1032674;1424811564;assbot;Last 5 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/0E2KVW7.txt )
1032675;1424811580;mircea_popescu;but yes, the "sexual disorder" of the 90s is definitely coming to a close. it's too expensive, and to most dickheads undesirable anyway.
1032676;1424811602;mircea_popescu;the gays got their way with marriage prior to the freeze, but that's it. pedos aren't getting theirs.
1032677;1424811614;mircea_popescu;who cares that pedo today ==== faggot 1965.
1032678;1424811638;ascii_field;much more politically useful even
1032679;1424811662;ascii_field;electronic equivalent of toilet tank cocaine
1032680;1424811744;cazalla;mircea_popescu: todd gack mysteriously missing. <<< yeah, what sort of name is that anyway?
1032681;1424811785;cazalla;shame you can't todd gack someone on reddit with a few thousand satoshi
1032682;1424812050;kakobrekla;buttstamp is looking for 'senior django developer'
1032683;1424812137;kakobrekla;a friend replied telling them he can fix everything that is wrong, but they dont want that.
1032684;1424812180;kakobrekla;!up ascii_field
1032685;1424812185;ascii_field;ty kakobrekla!
1032686;1424812202;ascii_field;kakobrekla: how do -you- normally answer letters from people offering to 'fix everything that's wrong' ?
1032687;1424812281;kakobrekla;idk if i was ever in a position where 'everything is wrong' was legit claim.
1032688;1424812701;mike_c;didn't you write bitbet in PHP?
1032689;1424812715;*;mike_c runs quickly
1032690;1424813244;ben_vulpes;hee hee
1032691;1424813404;kakobrekla;nah, that was mpex
1032692;1424813659;ben_vulpes;ho ho
1032693;1424813980;kakobrekla;hehe, is true; http://mpex.co/?=PHPE9568F34-D428-11d2-A769-00AA001ACF42
1032694;1424814004;kakobrekla;!up ascii_field
1032695;1424814010;kakobrekla;adont thank me
1032696;1424814311;kakobrekla;!up kushed
1032697;1424814441;mike_c;sekrit php detector. i had no idea.
1032698;1424814506;PeterL;pete_dushenski:weird thing is: bablogs.btcscoop.com seems to have no problem with it << I forgot I had to do a funny trick with codecs to get that to work, lets see if scoopbot works now?
1032699;1424814559;mike_c;elephant: http://mpex.co/?=PHPE9568F36-D428-11d2-A769-00AA001ACF42
1032700;1424814625;mircea_popescu;;p;
1032701;1424814627;mircea_popescu;lol*
1032702;1424814629;*;ben_vulpes is a baffle
1032703;1424815007;mike_c;and just because this should be immortalized in the logs:  http://phpsadness.com/
1032704;1424815008;assbot;PHP Sadness ... ( http://bit.ly/18iqWnk )
1032705;1424815036;ascii_field;last i checked, php wasn't mandatory
1032706;1424815078;mike_c;you lost me there.
1032707;1424815085;mircea_popescu;i think it was in the logs from last time we did this
1032708;1424815094;mike_c;not according to search
1032709;1424815105;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-02-2014#512379 etc
1032710;1424815105;assbot;Logged on 17-02-2014 22:31:05; mircea_popescu: http://phpsadness.com/sad/9
1032711;1424815114;mike_c;!s phpsadness
1032712;1424815115;assbot;0 results for 'phpsadness' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=phpsadness
1032713;1424815132;ascii_field;afaik nobody is forced to program in it
1032714;1424815140;mircea_popescu;!s phpsadness.com
1032715;1424815141;assbot;3 results for 'phpsadness.com' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=phpsadness.com
1032716;1424815152;mircea_popescu;no stemming eh ?
1032717;1424815156;mike_c;intersting.  slash is a word break but not a period?
1032718;1424815176;mircea_popescu;!s b-a.link
1032719;1424815176;assbot;1 results for 'b-a.link' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=b-a.link
1032720;1424815185;mircea_popescu;!s s.b-a
1032721;1424815186;assbot;0 results for 's.b-a' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=s.b-a
1032722;1424815194;mircea_popescu;SOME dots are wordbreaks.
1032723;1424815234;mike_c;word breaking is different from stemming. that feels.. wrong.  mthreat is it normal for periods to not break words?
1032724;1424815269;mike_c;;;later tell mthreat is it an index option for periods to break words?
1032725;1424815269;gribble;The operation succeeded.
1032726;1424815851;BingoBoingo;!up ascii_field
1032727;1424816003;mats;django. god help the one that accepts the job.
1032728;1424816119;mircea_popescu;"the Web framework for perfectionists with deadlines" ?
1032729;1424816160;mike_c;what's wrong with django?  i bit bloated, but there's a lot of good code in there.
1032730;1424816723;mats; a buddy of mine uses it only the daily. moans constantly.
1032731;1424816728;mats;on^
1032732;1424816935;jurov;pity more people don't use turbogears2. i have found it quite usable, with documentation uptodate and keeps improving
1032733;1424817391;ben_vulpes;fuck it
1032734;1424817404;ben_vulpes;fuck django, fuck rails, and probably fuck turbogears too.
1032735;1424817433;jurov;fuck everythign that moves.
1032736;1424817434;ben_vulpes;while they can all be used well by people who know what they're doing, most people using them categorically do not.
1032737;1424817439;jurov;and all other too
1032738;1424817464;mike_c;and the alternative is they build from a microframework and fuck up even more?
1032739;1424817466;ben_vulpes;and in their experiments with object oriented programming create these insane class hierarchies that are impossible to fit into human working memory.
1032740;1424817499;jurov;oh, that. http is notable for its leaky effects into all higher layers
1032741;1424817519;ben_vulpes;mike_c: ever touched a clojure ring app?
1032742;1424817529;mike_c;not with a 10ft pole
1032743;1424817533;ben_vulpes;oh and let's not get into the ORM.
1032744;1424817554;ben_vulpes;while again it can be used well by people who can use it well (intentional tautology)
1032745;1424817590;ben_vulpes;the novice's desire to not learn how relational databases work and how to leverage their strengths is damaging to both themselves and anyone downhill of them.
1032746;1424817595;jurov;you mean people who have a clue what happens on wire/in browser?
1032747;1424817612;jurov;rdbms are easier that that
1032748;1424817618;ben_vulpes;ORM/wire?
1032749;1424817622;mike_c;i don't get it.  you're saying a novice can use cojure ring and not hurt himself?
1032750;1424817630;ben_vulpes;not at all.
1032751;1424817633;ben_vulpes;a sword still cuts.
1032752;1424817656;mike_c;so you are just offended by the offering of something between cojure/ring and wordpress.
1032753;1424817658;ben_vulpes;but the surface area over which they can make mistakes is vastly limited.
1032754;1424817696;ben_vulpes;mike_c: keep in mind i'm approaching this from an empirical perspective.
1032755;1424817697;mike_c;idk.  noobs will make sites.  and their wordpress blogs will be used in ddos reflection attacks.  what can you do.
1032756;1424817710;jurov;ben_vulpes: so everything sucks because idiots can use it to hang themselves?
1032757;1424817730;ben_vulpes;miserable django shites made by novices rapidly become very expensive to reason about.
1032758;1424817733;ben_vulpes;rails, ibid.
1032759;1424817753;ben_vulpes;(most wordprexen are cobbled together from plugins - not terrifically difficult to reason about)
1032760;1424817780;mike_c;ok, but i'm not going to judge by how easy it is to un-fuck a particular framework done poorly.
1032761;1424817781;ben_vulpes;there's something about working in lisp that seems to reduce the speed at which entropy chews apart a webdev project.
1032762;1424817798;mike_c;or, there's something about those that choose lisp..
1032763;1424817808;ben_vulpes;i'm always cautious about that line.
1032764;1424817814;ben_vulpes;mostly, because it's so damn easy.
1032765;1424817843;ben_vulpes;and i speak not as a veteran here.
1032766;1424817868;*;ben_vulpes back to the mines
1032767;1424817984;thestringpuller;ben_vulpes: there you go with that lisp nonsense again!
1032768;1424817991;thestringpuller;ben_vulpes: the best webdev lanuage is PHP.
1032769;1424817992;lobbes;<ben_vulpes> mostly, because it's so damn easy. << I played with lisp for a second, and even I felt like seemed way more 'intuitive'
1032770;1424817994;ben_vulpes;(oh, and those "experts" in rails/django/yii/whatever tend to swallow wholesale whatever braindamage comes out of the "community")
1032771;1424818008;thestringpuller;rails is da shit
1032772;1424818014;thestringpuller;s/da//
1032773;1424818017;thestringpuller;:D
1032774;1424818031;jurov;my impression of list is that it boosts ego to the point of making any cooperation hard
1032775;1424818034;jurov;*lisp
1032776;1424818036;thestringpuller;django is good for marketing teams who need to deploy content fast and don't have IT
1032777;1424818048;thestringpuller;jurov hits nail on head
1032778;1424818060;mike_c;or for webdevs that don't want to rebuild every wheel
1032779;1424818105;mike_c;turbogears2 looks good too.. i have some vague memory of not liking sql alchemy for some reason, but that was awhile ago and i can't remember why.
1032780;1424818112;thestringpuller;mike_c: yes. but rails took this overboard imo.
1032781;1424818124;mike_c;agreed. i think rails has too much black magic
1032782;1424818126;thestringpuller;the rails generate command is abused a bit too much
1032783;1424818144;thestringpuller;i know the script kiddies love it, but probably same reason they defend node.js
1032784;1424818346;ben_vulpes;"No Thinking Required!"™
1032785;1424818435;BingoBoingo;!up ascii_field
1032786;1424818437;ben_vulpes;"Mindlessly Churn Out Crud Apps!"
1032787;1424818627;jurov;"Excremental Development Model (r)(tm)"
1032788;1424819127;ascii_field;ty BingoBoingo!
1032789;1424819151;ascii_field;boosts ego to the point of making any cooperation hard << wat
1032790;1424819631;jurov;my impression is, eveythign around lisp is considerably fragmented
1032791;1424820020;mats;i spent the last ten mins reading BlueMeanie4's blog
1032792;1424820024;mats;what a mistake
1032793;1424820081;thestringpuller;mats: why did you submit yourself to that punishment?
1032794;1424820174;mats;i wanted to see if he had anything useful to say in a long form medium
1032795;1424820185;mats;turns out hes as retarded on a blog as he is on irc and twitter
1032796;1424820266;thestringpuller;ah. Well he honestly thinks GPG contracts are failures because they are too hard to use...which is like retard believing he is not retarded.
1032797;1424820270;mats;and anyway i like to see what people offended by mp are up to
1032798;1424820281;mats;(the ones that used to hang here, anyway)
1032799;1424820294;thestringpuller;mats: you've made me miss EskimoBob
1032800;1424820299;thestringpuller;;;seen EskimoBob
1032801;1424820299;gribble;EskimoBob was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 1 year, 33 weeks, 4 days, 16 hours, 33 minutes, and 46 seconds ago: <EskimoBob> no idea how executions are shown on btct
1032802;1424820461;mats;;;seen evoorhees
1032803;1424820461;gribble;evoorhees was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 1 year, 31 weeks, 4 days, 23 hours, 29 minutes, and 46 seconds ago: <evoorhees> I need to go for now, on later
1032804;1424820540;Adlai;if anything, GPG contracts are too easy to use
1032805;1424821039;thestringpuller;Adlai: drafting them to spec is difficult sometimes. Like coming up with a good statement of work, or an SLA
1032806;1424821059;thestringpuller;but this is irrelevant of execution i suppose
1032807;1424821287;mats;http://www.aljazeera.com/indepth/opinion/2015/02/greek-surrender-hope-150222120049943.html
1032808;1424821288;assbot;Greek surrender: When all hope is gone - Al Jazeera English ... ( http://bit.ly/1w9FJ9a )
1032809;1424822419;BingoBoingo;http://www.thebestpageintheuniverse.net/c.cgi?u=h_people
1032810;1424822420;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1MPEHcY )
1032811;1424824491;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21550 @ 0.00040343 = 8.6939 BTC [+] {2} 
1032812;1424824552;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4350 @ 0.00040368 = 1.756 BTC [+]
1032813;1424826157;asciilifeform;jurov: my impression is, eveythign around lisp is considerably fragmented << algol's mighty fragmented too
1032814;1424826438;cazalla;how many times can you spot "legitimate" http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2967084/Paedophile-porn-rings-selling-live-streams-rape-involving-children-young-six-Skype-return-Bitcoins-warn-Europol.html
1032815;1424826440;assbot;Paedophile porn rings 'selling live streams of child rape on Skype', Europol warns | Daily Mail Online ... ( http://bit.ly/1BoSZ18 )
1032816;1424826456;cazalla;it's old news btw, for some reason they dug up a report from last year and ran it today as new
1032817;1424826647;thestringpuller;microsoft can't get a break (ms owns skype now rite?)
1032818;1424826795;cazalla;thestringpuller, yeah, i was gonna write it up under heading of hundreds of paedos use microsoft products to rape kids, but actually covered the report the above article mentions back in october or november last year
1032819;1424826837;cazalla;microsft really enable these rapes because not only do the paedos use skype, but they use windows as well
1032820;1424826886;cazalla;plus the paedos have the gall to use legitimate services such as Bitcoin
1032821;1424826985;thestringpuller;about as bad as Gavin killing those kids
1032822;1424827287;ben_vulpes;;;ticker
1032823;1424827294;cazalla;actually there is a new report.. may as well write it up
1032824;1424827480;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19563 @ 0.00039685 = 7.7636 BTC [-] {2} 
1032825;1424827785;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22865 @ 0.00038063 = 8.7031 BTC [-] {3} 
1032826;1424828029;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5000 @ 0.00040026 = 2.0013 BTC [+]
1032827;1424828077;mircea_popescu;<mike_c> idk.  noobs will make sites.  and their wordpress blogs will be used in ddos reflection attacks.  what can you do. << kvetch
1032828;1424828090;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4883 @ 0.00040146 = 1.9603 BTC [+]
1032829;1424828132;mircea_popescu;<ben_vulpes> (oh, and those "experts" in rails/django/yii/whatever tend to swallow wholesale whatever braindamage comes out of the "community") << that's because these are experts in groupthink, having come of age in the 90s at the earliest.
1032830;1424828232;asciilifeform;while hunting for marvell errata sheets, found http://code.google.com/p/inferno-kirkwood/source/browse/devsata.c - driver for same, written for bell labs's 'inferno' os (interesting animal all in itself, see old thread) - contains some clues re: reset behaviour
1032831;1424828234;assbot;devsata.c -  inferno-kirkwood -   Inferno for the Marvell Kirkwood/Sheevaplug - Google Project Hosting  ... ( http://bit.ly/1zFdfp0 )
1032832;1424828327;mircea_popescu;<mats> and anyway i like to see what people offended by mp are up to << lol me too. but this guy... he's not offended, he's just trying to you knwo, "make it in this game".
1032833;1424828333;mircea_popescu;as that kid told that retarded cop once.
1032834;1424828362;mircea_popescu;!up rotarydialer
1032835;1424828474;mircea_popescu;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
1032836;1424828476;assbot;Rick Astley - Never Gonna Give You Up - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1zFe7Kl )
1032837;1424828647;mats;its revealing how people react when confronted with inadequacy
1032838;1424828694;thestringpuller;similar to rejection
1032839;1424828813;cazalla;you won't sleep with me? ya fucking slut!
1032840;1424828876;TheNewDeal;;;nethash
1032841;1424828883;TheNewDeal;!Up gribble
1032842;1424828892;TheNewDeal;Fu, assbot
1032843;1424828939;mircea_popescu;;;bc,stats
1032844;1424829031;TheNewDeal;;;Seen gribble
1032845;1424829047;TheNewDeal;Acting like a pouty bitch
1032846;1424829050;mircea_popescu;lol
1032847;1424829923;mats;hm, 'Citizenfour' is public domain due to being used as evidence in a suit
1032848;1424829996;mats;er, that's a terrible construction, but anyway http://cryptome.org/Citizenfour-HD.7z
1032849;1424830034;asciilifeform;can we do that to the rest of them ?
1032850;1424830103;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16000 @ 0.00040171 = 6.4274 BTC [+] {2} 
1032851;1424830231;mats;i'm not really sure how it works
1032852;1424830258;gribble;318572931.893
1032853;1424830258;gribble;I have not seen gribble.
1032854;1424830258;gribble;Current Blocks: 345015 | Current Difficulty: 4.668437631686029E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 346751 | Next Difficulty In: 1736 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 6 days, 6 hours, 2 minutes, and 44 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 43633659578.1 | Estimated Percent Change: -6.53477
1032855;1424830530;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13018 @ 0.00039928 = 5.1978 BTC [-]
1032856;1424830633;mats;https://twitter.com/Cryptomeorg/status/566616227582582785
1032857;1424830634;assbot;Defense provided 2 DVDs of Citizenfour as exhibit in Edwards suit. So film in public domain as unsealed record. On HBO 2/23/15. Leaking $.
1032858;1424830688;mats;i'm not certain that submission as evidence nullifies IP rights
1032859;1424831018;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6336 @ 0.00039928 = 2.5298 BTC [-]
1032860;1424831079;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6448 @ 0.00040347 = 2.6016 BTC [+] {2} 
1032861;1424831628;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14600 @ 0.00040368 = 5.8937 BTC [+]
1032862;1424832665;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7900 @ 0.00040368 = 3.1891 BTC [+]
1032863;1424832877;cazalla;scoopbot, fetch
1032864;1424832903;cazalla;http://qntra.net/2015/02/europol-uses-kiddy-porn-hysteria-to-attack-bitcoin/
1032865;1424832904;assbot;Europol Uses Kiddy Porn Hysteria To Attack Bitcoin | Qntra.net ... ( http://bit.ly/1FqGnnC )
1032866;1424832980;mike_c;scoopbot fetch
1032867;1424832987;mike_c;scoopbot -fetch
1032868;1424833005;scoopbot;New post on Qntra.net by cazalla: http://qntra.net/2015/02/europol-uses-kiddy-porn-hysteria-to-attack-bitcoin/
1032869;1424833016;cazalla;mind of its own
1032870;1424833029;mike_c;"I'll fetch when i damn well please"
1032871;1424833149;thestringpuller;"When I feel like it"
1032872;1424833233;thestringpuller;nasdaq.com covered that C4 nonsense: http://www.nasdaq.com/article/why-the-proposed-security-certification-for-bitcoin-matters-cm447831
1032873;1424833467;cazalla;!up veeminer
1032874;1424833471;cazalla;oops lol
1032875;1424833474;cazalla;!up Vexual
1032876;1424833919;Vexual;New rules for foreign investors buying real estate in oz. You pay a small lubrication fee to the firb and despite any n shell companies you are liable for theoretical noncompliance fines.
1032877;1424834066;thestringpuller;"lubrication fee" << hue hue
1032878;1424834239;Vexual;Only took a week and everyone happy
1032879;1424836386;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7996 @ 0.00039928 = 3.1926 BTC [-]
1032880;1424836447;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 51748 @ 0.0003837 = 19.8557 BTC [-] {3} 
1032881;1424837457;mircea_popescu;<mats> i'm not certain that submission as evidence nullifies IP rights  << it's a right nightmare.
1032882;1424837462;mircea_popescu;they'll be stuck arguing "context"
1032883;1424837498;mircea_popescu;thestringpuller part of the reason it doesn't matter is that nasdaq would like it to.
1032884;1424837502;ben_vulpes;http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2015/feb/24/chicago-police-detain-americans-black-site
1032885;1424837504;assbot;The disappeared: Chicago police detain Americans at abuse-laden 'black site' | US news | The Guardian ... ( http://bit.ly/1AIGUR4 )
1032886;1424837513;mircea_popescu;part of the reason nasdaq would like it to is that it's yet anopther "make bitcoin more like fiat retardness"
1032887;1424837670;mircea_popescu;�It�s sort of an open secret among attorneys that regularly make police station visits, this place � if you can�t find a client in the system, odds are they�re there,� said Chicago lawyer Julia Bartmes.
1032888;1424837672;mircea_popescu;heh
1032889;1424837728;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15088 @ 0.00039161 = 5.9086 BTC [+]
1032890;1424837897;asciilifeform;'black site' << snore, orc management pen.
1032891;1424837909;ben_vulpes;no snore.
1032892;1424837921;ben_vulpes;this "snore" attitude is part and parcel of the decay.
1032893;1424837929;ben_vulpes;"boring, world's going to hell in a handbasket."
1032894;1424837936;asciilifeform;i mean, yes, we'll go there when time comes
1032895;1424837938;ben_vulpes;where's the anger?
1032896;1424837948;asciilifeform;but just as easily to another warehouse
1032897;1424837976;asciilifeform;that's storing iPnohes or toilet paper today
1032898;1424838010;asciilifeform;instead of condemned prisoners
1032899;1424838050;mircea_popescu;you or them, about even odds atm.
1032900;1424838127;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu optimist
1032901;1424838134;mircea_popescu;what;s the guy's name, Jon Burge
1032902;1424838138;mircea_popescu;no, im a realist.
1032903;1424838216;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6073 @ 0.00038302 = 2.3261 BTC [-]
1032904;1424838258;mircea_popescu;he just about got back out i'd guess.
1032905;1424839079;decimation;how do you negrate the city of chicago
1032906;1424839235;decimation;re: federal employees overpaid < I suspect the whole system operates as a net with a hole - all the talent get sucked in and immediately leaves, but the bottom suckers end up 'caught'
1032907;1424839924;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17595 @ 0.00037834 = 6.6569 BTC [-] {2} 
1032908;1424839985;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24050 @ 0.00037502 = 9.0192 BTC [-] {2} 
1032909;1424840290;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11870 @ 0.00038775 = 4.6026 BTC [+] {2} 
1032910;1424840585;mircea_popescu;prolly.
1032911;1424840813;decimation;so, sure some feds are way underpaid, but the majority are overpaid losers
1032912;1424840854;asciilifeform;overpaid << who envies these folks ?
1032913;1424840879;decimation;naive clerks?
1032914;1424840949;decimation;actually there's a deeper problem.  When you 'work' for a 'democracy', your boss is 'the people'
1032915;1424840961;decimation;when everyone is your boss, no one is your boss
1032916;1424840993;asciilifeform;mostly imaginary problem
1032917;1424841000;asciilifeform;in actual practice, there's an ordinary boss.
1032918;1424841028;decimation;who is accountable to a chain of bosses who ultimately account to themselves
1032919;1424841068;decimation;or maybe Obama fires people for failing to deliever?
1032920;1424841499;scoopbot;New post on Qntra.net by cazalla: http://qntra.net/2015/02/australian-drug-trafficker-pleads-guilty/
1032921;1424841677;mats;http://aje.io/e8yq kek
1032922;1424841679;assbot;Kerry: Moscow lying 'to my face' over Ukraine - Al Jazeera English ... ( http://bit.ly/1vxF1Ye )
1032923;1424841701;asciilifeform;speaking of which,
1032924;1424841702;asciilifeform;http://cluborlov.blogspot.com/2015/02/the-amherst-cauldron.html
1032925;1424841703;assbot;ClubOrlov: The Amherst Cauldron ... ( http://bit.ly/1vxF5Hn )
1032926;1424841733;mats;"They have been persisting in their misrepresentations, lies, whatever you want to call them, about their activities there to my face"
1032927;1424841894;decimation;one wonders how many usg state department officers would be hired by other countries if usg went bankrupt
1032928;1424841914;decimation;"Oh I'm totally an awesome diplomat, look at my years of usg experience!"
1032929;1424841971;mats;that post is silly. the guard would fail overnight.
1032930;1424842001;decimation;http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2014/04/russias-diplomats-are-better-than-ours-105773.html
1032931;1424842003;assbot;Russian Diplomats Are Eating America's Lunch - James Bruno - POLITICO Magazine ... ( http://bit.ly/1vxFB8s )
1032932;1424842104;mats;give it another four years and all the useful combat vets will have exited the service out of sheer disgust
1032933;1424842184;decimation;mats: I've witnessed that happening too
1032934;1424842231;mats;the clever ones are already losing their minds in group
1032935;1424842265;mats;too much political fuckery, civ and mil, for any useful body to bear
1032936;1424842267;decimation;unfortunately, this means that the current population of the military is strongly selected for nominal loyalty to usg
1032937;1424842291;decimation;at least as long as the dollars keep rolling
1032938;1424842304;asciilifeform;meanwhile, http://www.politico.com/story/2015/02/ash-carter-russia-vladimir-putin-defense-115421.html?ml=m_po
1032939;1424842306;assbot;Ash Carter warns Russia on nukes - Philip Ewing - POLITICO ... ( http://bit.ly/1vxG6PO )
1032940;1424842495;asciilifeform;how many germans quit ss 'out of sheer disgust'
1032941;1424842495;decimation;asciilifeform: why does usg keep wanting to bring back the cold war? nostalgia?
1032942;1424842570;asciilifeform;why does a pyro burn houses?
1032943;1424842633;asciilifeform;this is simply what usg... is. at least since it was grown enough to even -have- a foreign policy.
1032944;1424842881;mats;SS didn't get stomped multiple times and asked to enjoy it.
1032945;1424842976;mats;granted, they were trounced in ... northern africa? my ww2 history knowledge languishes.
1032946;1424843549;mats;anyway, i did say useful. night folks.
1032947;1424843761;ben_vulpes;jurov, asciilifeform: as though "lisp" and "algol" even exist as actual things.
1032948;1424844153;asciilifeform;folks keep insisting on discussing 'lisp'
1032949;1424844157;asciilifeform;so why not algol.
1032950;1424844377;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20466 @ 0.00040315 = 8.2509 BTC [+]
1032951;1424844743;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25200 @ 0.00040403 = 10.1816 BTC [+] {2} 
1032952;1424845353;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12921 @ 0.00040563 = 5.2411 BTC [+] {2} 
1032953;1424845398;decimation;asciilifeform: unfortunately ada (derived from pascal-algol) has 1-based array indexes
1032954;1424845476;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15186 @ 0.00040757 = 6.1894 BTC [+]
1032955;1424845508;asciilifeform;decimation: foo: array (Integer range 0 .. N) of Whatever;
1032956;1424845513;asciilifeform;decimation: so nope.
1032957;1424845518;asciilifeform;at least, not if you don't want.
1032958;1424845554;decimation;ah that's useful
1032959;1424845561;decimation;all the examples I've found start with a 1
1032960;1424845573;asciilifeform;can start with 31337 if you like.
1032961;1424845573;decimation;I assumed it was a language 'feature' like matlab
1032962;1424845591;decimation;matlab 1-based indexing is enraging
1032963;1424845605;asciilifeform;ada, like common lisp, is interesting for the mostly-complete absence of any obviously braindamaged decisions forced upon the user
1032964;1424845658;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6065 @ 0.00040757 = 2.4719 BTC [+]
1032965;1424845863;asciilifeform;' If you have a powered up NEXTEL on your belt and you walk within 12 feet of a STU-III in secure mode you have just compromised the classified key.'
1032966;1424845897;asciilifeform;(from vintage quasi-usg catalogue, http://www.tscm.freeservers.com/stu.html - apparently this has 'always' been on the net)
1032967;1424845899;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1DnUWs9 )
1032968;1424845914;asciilifeform;^ ninjasp4mwifi
1032969;1424846164;decimation;asciilifeform: how can any kind of signal magically compromise a stu?
1032970;1424846817;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22559 @ 0.0004069 = 9.1793 BTC [-]
1032971;1424847500;ben_vulpes;`emacs` on remote server pops x11 frame locally
1032972;1424847513;ben_vulpes;`emacs -daemon && emacsclient -c`...not so much.
1032973;1424847944;cazalla;mmm home made potato gnocchi with muh tomato/chilli sauce (both from garden) and chorizo.. just missing a beer :\
1032974;1424849623;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7249 @ 0.00040757 = 2.9545 BTC [+]
1032975;1424849684;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11851 @ 0.00040803 = 4.8356 BTC [+]
1032976;1424849745;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 32050 @ 0.00041021 = 13.1472 BTC [+] {2} 
1032977;1424850050;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30671 @ 0.0004142 = 12.7039 BTC [+] {2} 
1032978;1424850413;ben_vulpes;!up benkay
1032979;1424850416;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15658 @ 0.00040481 = 6.3385 BTC [-] {3} 
1032980;1424850453;punkman;http://www.thoughtcrime.org/blog/gpg-and-me/
1032981;1424850454;assbot;Moxie Marlinspike >> Blog >> GPG And Me ... ( http://bit.ly/1MQsK6T )
1032982;1424850464;ben_vulpes;harumph.
1032983;1424850478;punkman;!up benkay
1032984;1424850573;ben_vulpes;thanks punkman.
1032985;1424850580;ben_vulpes;just...testing in production.
1032986;1424850593;ben_vulpes;decimation, lmk if you need a hand with erc and sasl.
1032987;1424850602;ben_vulpes;the trick is (drumroll please)
1032988;1424850609;ben_vulpes;https://github.com/joseph-gay/erc-sasl
1032989;1424850610;assbot;joseph-gay/erc-sasl · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1MQt2dK )
1032990;1424850610;ben_vulpes;i
1032991;1424850677;benkay;;;ticker
1032992;1424850678;gribble;Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 237.82, Best ask: 238.2, Bid-ask spread: 0.38000, Last trade: 238.11, 24 hour volume: 5762.20622708, 24 hour low: 236.3, 24 hour high: 240.98, 24 hour vwap: 238.981156577
1032993;1424851026;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20850 @ 0.0004004 = 8.3483 BTC [-] {2} 
1032994;1424851087;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 41211 @ 0.00039922 = 16.4523 BTC [-]
1032995;1424851682;ben_vulpes;if it's not one thing it's a dang nother.
1032996;1424852340;ben_vulpes;!up yhwh_
1032997;1424852352;ben_vulpes;your cloak is applied after you join, fyi
1032998;1424852541;punkman;!up gmaxwell
1032999;1424852572;gmaxwell;man y'all will get a kick out of the latest foundation lol-event.  They have some _utterly_ braindead 'blockchain voting' scheme for their board vote run off (gotta love changing voting infrastructure mid election for election integrity)
1033000;1424852599;gmaxwell;So if you want to block Olivier Janssens from getting approved; for example get miners to just block payments to 1MG6SSwK2qSASM2QgBez2g4YFe3ib4d2eL.
1033001;1424852640;gmaxwell;(the site is so broken that I'm having a hard time extracting addresses for the other options)
1033002;1424852724;punkman;well at least they didn't do another fork to implement colored voting coins or whatever
1033003;1424852760;punkman;let 'em derp (tm)
1033004;1424852829;BingoBoingo;I am astounded at all of the ways they manage to keep screwing this election.
1033005;1424853019;gmaxwell;At the moment it seems all you can do is vote in favor of Olivier Janssens (thats why I'm able to see the address there), the rest of the options are coming up as "not available yet"
1033006;1424853044;gmaxwell;oh the jim harper options are up now too.
1033007;1424853068;punkman;is anyone still buying foundation memberships?
1033008;1424853124;gmaxwell;Org seems to be doing its damndest to commit suicide.
1033009;1424853224;gmaxwell;I also like that contacting Jinyoung Englund to report how buste things are, gets me a "I am out of the office Weds, February 25 through Sunday, March 1, 2015"
1033010;1424853225;cazalla;gmaxwell, http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=24-02-2015#1032132
1033011;1424853225;assbot;Logged on 24-02-2015 17:39:09; mircea_popescu: this is exactly like suicide : the people who succeed we want. the people who fail should have succeeded.
1033012;1424853239;cazalla;seems fitting lol
1033013;1424853258;BingoBoingo;I mean they were not doing too bad when they were just burning various agencies' time, but then they just pivoted and stopped doing that
1033014;1424853344;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9799 @ 0.00041516 = 4.0682 BTC [+] {2} 
1033015;1424853344;gmaxwell;yea, I actually thought there work there more or less made sense; it had some liability (since they couldn't seem to resist letting people think they 'spoke for bitcoin') but it generally seemed to be going okay. Mostly burning pointless peoples pointless time, sure; but it was nice having _someone_ in combatting all the really agressive fud that some 'bitcoin alternatives' are slinging.
1033016;1424853512;gmaxwell;Another interesting property is that it should be trivial to buy votes with this thing.
1033017;1424853539;fluffypony;how are the votes authenticated? based on the address they're coming from?
1033018;1424853550;gmaxwell;sadly they didn't use this in round 1 where a real statement could be made by buying all the votes and assigning them to a joke candidate.
1033019;1424853568;gmaxwell;fluffypony: looks like it, hard to tell this system is opaque doesn't seem to be publically documented.
1033020;1424853585;gmaxwell;They have some hacked up flaky counterparty wallet software that gives you some preset destitions to vote.
1033021;1424853636;fluffypony;eugh
1033022;1424853777;gmaxwell;looks like for each voter they fund them with 0.0021 BTC (and some amount of 'counterparty' altcoin, I dunno how to tell how much)
1033023;1424853785;gmaxwell;looks like one can just take the 0.0021 BTC and not vote.
1033024;1424853809;gmaxwell;(well the UI doesn't prevent it, but the user appears to have the private key for it.)
1033025;1424853873;BingoBoingo;To the best of my knowledge the counterparty altcoin s just BTC that's mislabeled when you look at it through their wallet
1033026;1424853936;gmaxwell;BingoBoingo: nah, it seperately tracks 'counterparty' value, like a colored coin, the bitcoin is irrelevant, and just gets around the fact that bitcoin core won't relay 0 value txouts and miners are lazy and don't change defaults.
1033027;1424853954;thestringpuller;gmaxwell: now that is a name I have not seen in a long long time.
1033028;1424853975;fluffypony;Star Wars reference high five!
1033029;1424854007;gmaxwell;This channel isn't usually to my taste, but I knew some here would appricate this latest BCF lolspectacular.
1033030;1424854009;BingoBoingo;Ah
1033031;1424854028;BingoBoingo;The lulzslide is spectacular in this case
1033032;1424854069;cazalla;gmaxwell, what about #b-a is not to your liking?
1033033;1424854088;fluffypony;cazalla: the smell is kinda funky
1033034;1424854112;thestringpuller;that's cause of all the funny smoke in the room
1033035;1424854121;gmaxwell;I like how this ubersecure voting application embeds third party JS in every page (google analyitics); thats exactly how you go about building secure election and finance software. yup.
1033036;1424854152;gmaxwell;cazalla: not my taste doesn't necessarily imply an active dislike.
1033037;1424854163;BingoBoingo;Seriously. Google analytics is the worst.
1033038;1424854182;BingoBoingo;cazalla: The porn isn't to his aesthetics.
1033039;1424854212;fluffypony;I like GA for the interwebs, it's easy to block if you don't want to be spotted by it
1033040;1424854256;BingoBoingo;fluffypony: Still people insert GA in places it doesn't belong
1033041;1424854260;fluffypony;word
1033042;1424854267;gmaxwell;It's just an extra sideshow on the general lolfest of incompetent broware.
1033043;1424854307;gmaxwell;people building finance software, voting systems, etc. without spending 5 minutes thinking through possible failure modes and making trivial tweaks to mitigate risk.
1033044;1424854322;[]bot;Bet placed: 8 BTC for No on "Gold to top $1500 before 16 May" http://bitbet.us/bet/1106/ Odds: 8(Y):92(N) by coin, 11(Y):89(N) by weight. Total bet: 14.32038404 BTC. Current weight: 61,675.
1033045;1424854325;[]bot;Bet placed: 5.0099 BTC for No on "CLAM losing grip -> sells 0.0029 or lower before April 25th" http://bitbet.us/bet/1121/ Odds: 2(Y):98(N) by coin, 2(Y):98(N) by weight. Total bet: 5.16892952 BTC. Current weight: 94,065.
1033046;1424854327;[]bot;Bet placed: 2.5 BTC for No on "BTC to top $450 before 31st Mar" http://bitbet.us/bet/1113/ Odds: 11(Y):89(N) by coin, 12(Y):88(N) by weight. Total bet: 12.4553 BTC. Current weight: 46,647.
1033047;1424854330;BingoBoingo;The entire AJAX bullshit is a scam. All of that user facing javascript is just there to same them on the server bills
1033048;1424854421;BingoBoingo;!up gmaxwell
1033049;1424854525;gmaxwell;yea, well, I've given up yelling "get off my lawn" at people, seems the whole world wants to eat suppositories and other such acts of brillance; my patience in telling other people that they're wrong mostly ran out years ago.
1033050;1424854702;punkman;https://github.com/tedu/reop "a simple, semi-modern wannabe PGP clone"
1033051;1424854703;assbot;tedu/reop · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1wbMask )
1033052;1424854786;BingoBoingo;punkman: He's got some really good ideas, but an elliptic curve? really?
1033053;1424854810;punkman;"it's gotta fit in twitter msg"
1033054;1424854859;fluffypony;Curve25519 is pretty great though
1033055;1424855006;gmaxwell;BingoBoingo: not sure why you'd fault that. Any _general_ improvement in ECC pretty much directly translates into an improvement for factoring; the converse is not true. And all the alternative schemes for _encryption_ have high overheads and complex security stories (though one could use two cryptosystems in parallel intelligently for long term security; I tried arguing for that w/ openpgp years
1033056;1424855012;gmaxwell;ago without success)
1033057;1424855167;BingoBoingo;gmaxwell: I'm just inclined towards giant RSA keys and presenting a hard problem. It's just I'd like the option. That and ECC is already keeping the money safe...
1033058;1424855283;punkman;gpg2 has ECC as well
1033059;1424855321;BingoBoingo;punkman: gpg2 isn't really shipped with anything though because the interface on gpg2 actually sucks
1033060;1424855518;fluffypony;I had to use gpg2 to recv-keys today, because gpg refused to (import filter bug)
1033061;1424855662;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7629 @ 0.00041791 = 3.1882 BTC [+]
1033062;1424855723;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11176 @ 0.00041834 = 4.6754 BTC [+] {2} 
1033063;1424855784;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 40845 @ 0.00041947 = 17.1333 BTC [+] {2} 
1033064;1424856927;scoopbot;New post on Qntra.net by cazalla: http://qntra.net/2015/02/us-offers-reward-for-capture-of-retailer-of-cryptolocker-related-botnet/
1033065;1424858357;punkman;http://www.gemalto.com/press/Pages/Gemalto-presents-the-findings-of-its-investigations-into-the-alleged-hacking-of-SIM-card-encryption-keys.aspx
1033066;1424858358;assbot;Gemalto presents the findings of its investigations into the alleged hacking of SIM card encryption keysGemalto presents th ... ( http://bit.ly/1Dov6Vc )
1033067;1424858741;BingoBoingo;!up Vexual
1033068;1424858930;punkman;here's one for you vex https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OG6WZoVfGao
1033069;1424858932;assbot;Νίκος Ξυλούρης - Αγρίμια Κι Αγριμάκια Μου - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1Dox87I )
1033070;1424858946;Vexual;Yikes
1033071;1424858956;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20482 @ 0.00041949 = 8.592 BTC [+]
1033072;1424859261;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4820 @ 0.00042706 = 2.0584 BTC [+]
1033073;1424859579;BingoBoingo;!up lrak
1033074;1424859584;BingoBoingo;!up rotarydialer
1033075;1424859676;Vexual;!up rotary dialder yor pre phreak hipster
1033076;1424859676;Vexual;Lol
1033077;1424859734;Vexual;Yeah yeah
1033078;1424859749;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5000 @ 0.00042779 = 2.139 BTC [+] {2} 
1033079;1424859880;Vexual;Cool handle
1033080;1424859923;Vexual;Its prolly spelling something our
1033081;1424859961;Vexual;Out
1033082;1424860064;Vexual;Or not
1033083;1424860137;Vexual;Youre allowed to touch the button to verify u know
1033084;1424860150;Vexual;Short press
1033085;1424860615;cazalla;!up Vexual
1033086;1424860643;punkman;http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2015/02/17/state-department-spokeswoman-floats-jobs-as-answer-to-isis/
1033087;1424860645;assbot;State Department spokeswoman floats jobs as answer to ISIS | Fox News ... ( http://bit.ly/1DoCpfq )
1033088;1424860704;Vexual;Wot?
1033089;1424860847;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15700 @ 0.00042676 = 6.7001 BTC [-]
1033090;1424860850;Vexual;Next thing u know im not allowed to catch a train to turkey
1033091;1424861053;punkman;!up greenmon
1033092;1424861108;Vexual;Free passage for the masses I say
1033093;1424861125;Vexual;Even 12 yo gals
1033094;1424861242;Vexual;Identify of course
1033095;1424862433;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19100 @ 0.00042954 = 8.2042 BTC [+] {2} 
1033096;1424863714;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20050 @ 0.00041977 = 8.4164 BTC [-] {3} 
1033097;1424866459;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17100 @ 0.00041588 = 7.1115 BTC [-]
1033098;1424866764;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14880 @ 0.00043157 = 6.4218 BTC [+]
1033099;1424866825;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8720 @ 0.00043171 = 3.7645 BTC [+]
1033100;1424866886;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 41900 @ 0.00043266 = 18.1285 BTC [+] {3} 
1033101;1424867435;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15350 @ 0.00043335 = 6.6519 BTC [+]
1033102;1424868411;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15767 @ 0.00043335 = 6.8326 BTC [+]
1033103;1424868777;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28376 @ 0.00041611 = 11.8075 BTC [-] {2} 
1033104;1424869082;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29828 @ 0.00041162 = 12.2778 BTC [-] {2} 
1033105;1424869777;danielpbarron;height=226745 vs height=192318
1033106;1424869936;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15650 @ 0.00040663 = 6.3638 BTC [-]
1033107;1424870058;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14724 @ 0.0004142 = 6.0987 BTC [+]
1033108;1424870484;BingoBoingo;lol http://it.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=7011041&cid=49125897
1033109;1424870485;assbot;Moxie Marlinspike: GPG Has Run Its Course - Slashdot ... ( http://bit.ly/1FscDXo )
1033110;1424870527;danielpbarron;gmaxwell> So if you want to block Olivier Janssens from getting approved; for example get miners to just block  payments to 1MG6SSwK2qSASM2QgBez2g4YFe3ib4d2eL. << ah that's why i saw so many doublespends in my debug.log
1033111;1424871213;danielpbarron;lol i just sent some MEAT to that address
1033112;1424874145;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34550 @ 0.00043569 = 15.0531 BTC [+] {3} 
1033113;1424874384;mats;i am really disappointed in moxie
1033114;1424874389;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24350 @ 0.00043779 = 10.6602 BTC [+]
1033115;1424874439;mats;gpg does suck in a buncha usability ways, but then he goes on to address exactly zero actual problems
1033116;1424874497;mats;then goes on hn to say he doesn't know what the solution is but shills Open Whisper Systems, Mailpile, LEAP
1033117;1424874643;punkman;mats, indeed
1033118;1424874749;mats;as if Text Secure is usable, has a spec or docs like opengpg, as if mailpile doesn't shell out to a gpg binary
1033119;1424874899;mats;also deliberately misleading folks about widespread use with the quantity of keys on sks keyservers
1033120;1424874931;mats;like XXXmn people on e.g. linux don't rely on it daily
1033121;1424874999;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24600 @ 0.0004319 = 10.6247 BTC [-]
1033122;1424875121;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7000 @ 0.0004319 = 3.0233 BTC [-]
1033123;1424875174;lobbes;"Looking forward, however, I think of GPG as a glorious experiment that has run its course. The journalists who depend on it struggle with it and often mess up (“I send you the private key to communicate privately, right?”)" << lol, this doesn't sound like a problem with gpg. I'll never understand this 'hard-to-use' argument. Just take an afternoon and learn the fundamentals!
1033124;1424875304;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3753 @ 0.00043779 = 1.643 BTC [+]
1033125;1424875379;mats;https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=9104188 >> mike_hearn "In the world of crypto, where we've learned so much, yes old means bad. Almost always... How many crypto geeks STILL spout rubbish about how the PKI is totally busted and the web of trust is the future? Way too many... The future of encrypted messaging is not GPG."
1033126;1424875382;assbot;GPG and Me | Hacker News ... ( http://bit.ly/17XtA0N )
1033127;1424875415;mats;he went full retard from sentence one. wat.
1033128;1424875426;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30397 @ 0.00044324 = 13.4732 BTC [+]
1033129;1424875609;mats;hearn and moxie start from the same premise, where tech and crypto are somehow going to paper over deficiencies in human relations and bring useful encryption to everyone everywhere, and somehow gpg is inadequate because it doesn't solve all problems they've imagined but don't actually present as problems to technically capable people
1033130;1424875906;lobbes;reminds me of the 'bitcoins for all the people in Africa' mantra, and if it can't support that it is somehow 'broken'
1033131;1424875939;bitstein;I got into it with moxie on twitter: https://twitter.com/Bitstein/status/570366873633566720
1033132;1424875941;assbot;I used to dream of a world where everyone would install GPG.  Now I dream of a world where I can uninstall it: http://t.co/eRZ0hdlmgx
1033133;1424875982;bitstein;^ That was the tweet I was responding to, not my own.
1033134;1424876036;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13400 @ 0.00044231 = 5.927 BTC [-]
1033135;1424876280;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13850 @ 0.00044124 = 6.1112 BTC [-]
1033136;1424876290;mats;yeah seriously. installing Thunderbird is hard!
1033137;1424876307;mats;so try my Text Secure app on the Play Store.
1033138;1424876311;mats;ok guy.
1033139;1424876341;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6500 @ 0.00044324 = 2.8811 BTC [+]
1033140;1424876402;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16800 @ 0.00044324 = 7.4464 BTC [+]
1033141;1424876572;jurov;http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/2x3s8h/bitcoin_foundation_runoff_voting_i_just_went/
1033142;1424876573;assbot;Bitcoin Foundation run-off voting - I just went through the process and here to help : Bitcoin ... ( http://bit.ly/17Xy5sj )
1033143;1424876591;jurov;seems they built it on top of obamacare
1033144;1424876623;jurov;"After confirming your yes/no choice you will be looking for a way to get back to the other candidates to vote for them."
1033145;1424877435;lobbes;Speaking of redditards.. some additional lulz: http://newsletter.8layertech.com/?p=723
1033146;1424877436;assbot;Portable Bitcoin ATM Made by Filipino Students | OPEN NEWS ... ( http://bit.ly/17XBB5Q )
1033147;1424878416;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26971 @ 0.00042321 = 11.4144 BTC [-]
1033148;1424878518;thestringpuller;ls
1033149;1424878520;thestringpuller;oops
1033150;1424878655;thestringpuller;bitstein: re: gpg << "GPG is not what consumers have come to expect" is what I'm seeing here.
1033151;1424878723;BingoBoingo;Consumers have driven computing too long.
1033152;1424878756;asciilifeform;marlinspike << shitgnome and 'do-ocrat'
1033153;1424878772;mats;some of the hn comments are, 'lets make gpg as usable as facebook:
1033154;1424878775;asciilifeform;i've had a mild revulsion for him for as long as known about him
1033155;1424878787;asciilifeform;but now can finally pour flondor cement
1033156;1424878789;mircea_popescu;name is vaguely familiar.
1033157;1424878814;bitstein;thestringpuller: I liked Pierre's comment: "Everything must be candy crush UX with JavaScript." https://twitter.com/Pierre_Rochard/status/570412801908477952
1033158;1424878920;thestringpuller;asciilifeform: but now can finally pour flondor cement << brutal. you sure you don't want to be a mobster? :D
1033159;1424878929;mike_c;asciilifeform, why have you always had slight revulsion?  I used to think better of him, but this article is useless.  poorly written rant with no suggestions.
1033160;1424878932;bitstein;asciilifeform: What I posted was the important part.
1033161;1424878936;mircea_popescu;in a dick tracy sort of way
1033162;1424879025;asciilifeform;thestringpuller: cement << the relevant line is from ru poet vysotsky, 'Я тебя не трону, а душе зарою. И прикажу в залить цементом, чтобы не разрыть.' -- 'i won't touch you, but in my soul i'll bury you, and order cement poured so as not to ever dig up'
1033163;1424879069;asciilifeform;mike_c: elsewhere he suggests many things, all of them quite zimmermanesque
1033164;1424879087;thestringpuller;old zimmerman or new zimmerman?
1033165;1424879090;asciilifeform;new.
1033166;1424879140;thestringpuller;reminds me of my current CEO, "Blah blah blah ENCRYPTION AS A SERVICE, blah blah blah. THE FUTURE." *applause from dumb audience here*
1033167;1424879223;mike_c;phil zimmerman is a bad guy?
1033168;1424879236;asciilifeform;mike_c: as of 2010 or so
1033169;1424879239;mircea_popescu;nowadays ;/
1033170;1424879243;mike_c;how.. disappointing
1033171;1424879250;asciilifeform;mike_c: pushes closed-source turds for iPnohe as 'ultra-secure' etc.
1033172;1424879256;mircea_popescu;very. in there with bvuffett.
1033173;1424879271;mircea_popescu;my heart was the size of a rice grain when djikstra got linked yest.
1033174;1424879324;asciilifeform;dijkstra never betrayed
1033175;1424879341;thestringpuller;mike_c: disappointing << people are disappointing no? otherwise we would not need WoT...
1033176;1424879350;mircea_popescu;right. neither did zimmerman until he one day started derping about "dark phone"
1033177;1424879375;mircea_popescu;actually, i recall mentioning here that "wtf, this guy publicly takes pride in having lost his gpg key ?" a while back
1033178;1424879377;asciilifeform;dijkstra died as lived - honest man
1033179;1424879401;mircea_popescu;thankfully.
1033180;1424879437;thestringpuller;dat balmer syndrome...one day you're just "Developer developer developers" sweating profusely on a stage and you don't know why.
1033181;1424879472;asciilifeform;this is why among the most brilliant jp inventions is the seppuku rite. (and, in euro world, the lesser roman version thereof)
1033182;1424879504;mircea_popescu;assbot: Kerry: Moscow lying 'to my face' over Ukraine << roflmao. fuckwit lost some election long long ago, imagines what this does is put him in charge of Barbaria ? instead of you know, Usia ?
1033183;1424879517;asciilifeform;instead of derping like headless chicken for decades, publicly dump out guts - if can make a statement with it, so much the better
1033184;1424879529;mircea_popescu;same al gore schtick. "what's at state in a us presidential election is who gets rome and who gets constantinople"
1033185;1424879564;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: actually he's reichsminister
1033186;1424879581;mircea_popescu;that's not the point. the point is, who the fuck ever heard of the attitude.
1033187;1424879594;mircea_popescu;"moscow" "lying" "to his face" ? wtf is he, supervisor in chief ? dad ?
1033188;1424879603;asciilifeform;it's the absolute standard usian 'the planet is our banana farm' attitude
1033189;1424879616;mircea_popescu;but he's a LOSER.
1033190;1424879623;mike_c;moxie's sekrit thingy is open source though.  that's better than somewhat silent circle
1033191;1424879625;mircea_popescu;you know ? he's arguably not even PART of the usianistan.
1033192;1424879664;mircea_popescu;decimation: "Oh I'm totally an awesome diplomat, look at my years of usg experience!" << this lol.
1033193;1424879675;asciilifeform;sec. of state
1033194;1424879684;asciilifeform;definitely 'part', no ?
1033195;1424879689;mircea_popescu;were i putin i'd put something in pravda.us "Kerry is so inept I would fire him if I ran the US."
1033196;1424879700;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform i dun see it.
1033197;1424879727;asciilifeform;read 'foreign minister,' to civilized folks
1033198;1424879741;asciilifeform;our own little ribbentrop
1033199;1424879756;mircea_popescu;why would anyone still receive him after something like this i dun understand ?
1033200;1424879780;mircea_popescu;next he shows up have him detained at border for 36 hours, let him go with a 10 year interdict.
1033201;1424879819;mircea_popescu;mats: give it another four years and all the useful combat vets will have exited the service out of sheer disgust << almost there anyway, yeh.
1033202;1424879828;asciilifeform;moxie's sekrit thingy is open source though << ahahahaha lol. open just like openssl
1033203;1424879925;mike_c;fine.  i will deduct two points from his wot rating in my head.  that's too bad.
1033204;1424880126;asciilifeform;'I simply asked him -- in a private email -- if there was a signature for Convergence someplace because I didn't see any online. He accused me of being "inflammatory" and stated it was necessary to "take a leap of faith" (i.e. download and run it without verification). This was back in 2012, mind you. He appeared to be oddly anti-PGP back then, too. Frankly, after that I had no appetite for any more of his, erm, style and forg
1033205;1424880126;asciilifeform;ot about Convergence. Years later, I had to abandon DoNotTrackMe (by a Moxie-run company, Abine) nee 'Blur' for Ghostery instead when the former got an update that kept hogging the CPU. An email to Abine just yielded a response to keep updating Blur, but the problem never went away.'
1033206;1424880131;asciilifeform;^ pasted here for the record
1033207;1424880144;asciilifeform;because gigglets like this have a way of 'disappearing' from forums
1033208;1424880226;ben_vulpes;"An agile, distributed, and secure strategy for replacing Certificate Authorities" << agile, hah.
1033209;1424880362;mircea_popescu;lol good idea.
1033210;1424880439;asciilifeform;thing is, the man knows what he's doing. not 'useful idiot', he. is including the zombie horde of 'people' for whom 'gpg is hard' in order to reach his conclusion, rather than reached his conclusion because useful idiot and automatically included them
1033211;1424880449;asciilifeform;*including in his reasoning
1033212;1424880618;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: http://www.noblis.org << usg dept. of btcdiddlery - incidentally.
1033213;1424880619;assbot;Noblis Home ... ( http://bit.ly/1BtF5Li )
1033214;1424880657;asciilifeform;had various mildly smoking guns for this in stash for a while, now add the fact of them crawling specific pages on me site
1033215;1424880676;asciilifeform;(why these folks insist on publicly advertising this act, is beyond me)
1033216;1424880748;thestringpuller;!s codeclimate
1033217;1424880748;assbot;0 results for 'codeclimate' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=codeclimate
1033218;1424880759;BingoBoingo;Maybe they figure everyone's depreciated reading /var/
1033219;1424880765;asciilifeform;i suggest that everyone check their server logs for these clowns
1033220;1424880795;thestringpuller;mircea_popescu: http://codeclimate.com << the non WoT version of http://trilema.com/2012/probably-the-hottest-business-idea-of-the-moment-in-btc/
1033221;1424880997;asciilifeform;take with grain of salt, but folks fairly deep in the belly of the beast have suggested that 'noblis' is where the handprints from 'bitcoin atm' crap, pseudonyms from 'changetip' chumpatron, 'aml/kyc' idiocy, etc. all ends up.
1033222;1424881002;danielpbarron;huh, i think he deleted my comment
1033223;1424881011;asciilifeform;linked up with blockchain as well as they can
1033224;1424881076;PeterL;"The best way to go is probably fixed fee + per line fee or something." I like this, encourages less LoC bloat
1033225;1424881113;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform noblis ? could be incidental.
1033226;1424881115;PeterL;^from the trilema post just linked
1033227;1424881120;mircea_popescu;they do a lot of contractor work crawling thre web
1033228;1424881121;asciilifeform;PeterL: the notion that the folks paying are getting -anything- other than lighter wallet - is a laugh
1033229;1424881147;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: could be.
1033230;1424881209;asciilifeform;but a fella with 'loose lips' fingered them as where-nsa-actually-has-the-work-done.
1033231;1424881221;asciilifeform;again, i'm 'selling this for same price as bought'
1033232;1424881262;jurov;so you imply nsa is behind btcatm anad changetip?
1033233;1424881281;asciilifeform;http://www.noblis-nsp.com << diddlamatics division
1033234;1424881282;assbot;Noblis NSP ... ( http://bit.ly/1EQwAHt )
1033235;1424881288;asciilifeform;jurov: 'behind' is wrong word here
1033236;1424881322;asciilifeform;the way usg contracting works, folks eager-to-please get preemptively down on their knees
1033237;1424881325;asciilifeform;and offer services
1033238;1424881327;mircea_popescu;"behind" lol. btcatm has to report right ?
1033239;1424881374;danielpbarron;i think my comment was something like "It's possible to achieve 'Perfect forward secrecy' with GPG; you're just retarded. And if it isn't brain damage, I can only assume you have been enlisted on to lizard hitler's payroll"
1033240;1424881398;asciilifeform;idk if these folks run the phillipino content farms, but they are almost certainly the shepherds of the usg db with palmprints linked to blockchain tx from idiots
1033241;1424881411;ben_vulpes;asciilifeform: "diddlematics" << i never figured kako for a collaborator...
1033242;1424881425;asciilifeform;?
1033243;1424881450;jurov;lol, like one can speculate i have created coinbr to preemptively get down on nsa or some such
1033244;1424881462;ben_vulpes;it's a pun.
1033245;1424881474;asciilifeform;jurov: coinbr doesn't collect fingerprints iirc
1033246;1424881483;asciilifeform;or passport photos
1033247;1424881491;asciilifeform;neither does kako's bet machine
1033248;1424881509;asciilifeform;this is how you tell the difference. but this is elementary alphabet to #b-a folks
1033249;1424881574;jurov;i can see them trying to. only by sheer luck is what i'm doing covered as "financial service" atm
1033250;1424881588;danielpbarron;assbot collects fingerprints
1033251;1424881590;ben_vulpes;jurov: "preemptively go down" << ftfy :P
1033252;1424881592;jurov;so that i don't need to mess with eu vat
1033253;1424881605;nubbins`;incidentally, was there ever a qntra article about cavirtex shutting down?
1033254;1424881629;nubbins`;they say they're shutting because they realized their customer db was compromised at some point in the past
1033255;1424881632;jurov;but some day i can see them going "financial service? yea we got some regulation for you"
1033256;1424881633;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform: this is simply what usg... is << i actually have a more psychotropic theory. basically, on some subconscious level, us knows it's become uss. and what it wants is, the validation of "well i didn't do anything useful, but at least the stupid thing i did i did WELL". this to be obtained, in the way such nonsense works, by confronting the symbolic representative thereof and "winning".
1033257;1424881649;PeterL;http://qntra.net/2015/02/cavirtex-shutting-down-withdrawals-temporarily-disabled/ nubbins`
1033258;1424881650;assbot;CAVIRTEX Shutting Down, Withdrawals "Temporarily Disabled" | Qntra.net ... ( http://bit.ly/1EQxAva )
1033259;1424881653;nubbins`;which sorta 100% agrees with everyone in #bitcoin-cad, including me, saying we started getting mysterious emails with .jar attachments around this time
1033260;1424881655;nubbins`;PeterL ok!
1033261;1424881657;mircea_popescu;notice that the us diplomacy is nowhere nearly as inept handling china. arguably russia is more of a threat tho, at least immediately.
1033262;1424881674;nubbins`;PeterL they knew about the intrusion a year or two ago
1033263;1424881679;mircea_popescu;chinese politburo isn't going around publicly and internationally humiliating us president with a monthly frequency.
1033264;1424881679;nubbins`;let it coast until now
1033265;1424881726;mircea_popescu;heh. so why now then ?
1033266;1424881730;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9115 @ 0.00041835 = 3.8133 BTC [-]
1033267;1424881751;nubbins`;that's the q
1033268;1424881754;asciilifeform;china isn't in a deathcage match against rest of the planet trying for 200 yrs. to render its population for fat and to more easily get at the minerals
1033269;1424881814;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=25-02-2015#1032973 << win.
1033270;1424881814;assbot;Logged on 25-02-2015 07:05:44; cazalla: mmm home made potato gnocchi with muh tomato/chilli sauce (both from garden) and chorizo.. just missing a beer :\
1033271;1424881827;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform you think ?
1033272;1424881830;mircea_popescu;maybe you dunno china.
1033273;1424881836;asciilifeform;or rather, it is
1033274;1424881845;asciilifeform;but unnoticed in the shadow of the ru match
1033275;1424881854;mircea_popescu;lol. they have no trees and now cows. think about it.
1033276;1424881863;nubbins`;PeterL https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=218435.msg8948075#msg8948075
1033277;1424881864;assbot;Official CaVirtex.com Thread ... ( http://bit.ly/1EQy98g )
1033278;1424881867;PeterL;nobody cares what china does with its peasants
1033279;1424881878;asciilifeform;actually what cn has is precisely bipedal wealth
1033280;1424881883;nubbins`;sept '14
1033281;1424881889;asciilifeform;folks who are still willing to assemble machinery for a penny a day
1033282;1424881892;asciilifeform;without toilet breaks
1033283;1424881907;asciilifeform;this is, by some indications, a non-renewable resource that's getting burned up rather quickly
1033284;1424881915;asciilifeform;possibly even faster than the ones ordinarily spoken of
1033285;1424881921;nubbins`;peak meat
1033286;1424881935;nubbins`;hey, remember "peak oil"?
1033287;1424881973;asciilifeform;thing is, assembling, e.g., pc mobos, isn't mining U at butugychag. you can't get quality performance at bayonet point
1033288;1424881978;mircea_popescu;pack meat. lawl.
1033289;1424881979;asciilifeform;so the 'willing' part is key
1033290;1424881995;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform i think this difference is spurious.
1033291;1424882009;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: if it were spurious, africa would be the real china
1033292;1424882035;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26900 @ 0.00041439 = 11.1471 BTC [-]
1033293;1424882037;mircea_popescu;no, it wouldn't. africa, as unfortunately and politically unpleasant that sounds, probably sucks because genetics.
1033294;1424882044;mircea_popescu;otherwise, recall the zek research centers.
1033295;1424882044;asciilifeform;^ not secret
1033296;1424882053;PeterL;somebody just has to get the Africans organized and industrialized
1033297;1424882056;mircea_popescu;how exactly different from us research you think that is ?
1033298;1424882067;mircea_popescu;PeterL the problem is : africa is essentially "they who stayed". those always suck.
1033299;1424882075;mircea_popescu;it's been selected for 250k years for suckage. no  fixing that.
1033300;1424882076;asciilifeform;zek sharashkas is essentially the same thing as where i live now
1033301;1424882081;asciilifeform;so i'd know something about.
1033302;1424882084;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform and no bayonet ?
1033303;1424882092;asciilifeform;'carrot'
1033304;1424882097;mircea_popescu;pointed carrot.
1033305;1424882115;asciilifeform;what's the carrot for sitting at conveyor 12h straight with no toilet break ?
1033306;1424882133;mircea_popescu;i dunno, i don't specialize in that shit.
1033307;1424882175;asciilifeform;the carrot, as far as i understand, is that it looks like a great deal next to your grandfather's rotting in rice paddy
1033308;1424882181;nubbins`;<+PeterL> somebody just has to get the Africans organized and industrialized <<< surely  external help running the show is the path to self sufficiency
1033309;1424882188;mircea_popescu;lol
1033310;1424882189;asciilifeform;the essential ingredient is that your grandfather had to have rotted in the rice.
1033311;1424882203;asciilifeform;if instead he drove 'mercedes' - then not so hot.
1033312;1424882211;mircea_popescu;"hey, let's make it into the south pre 1830, then they can be invaded by lincoln v2.0 and have detroit!"
1033313;1424882211;punkman;PeterL: somebody just has to get the Africans organized and industrialized << China's all over it, but they might have to import a billion chinese workers
1033314;1424882222;asciilifeform;china imports own workers sop.
1033315;1424882229;asciilifeform;this, incidentally, was supposed to happen in crimea
1033316;1424882235;mircea_popescu;heh
1033317;1424882236;asciilifeform;before the change-of-plans.
1033318;1424882240;asciilifeform;!s china crimea
1033319;1424882241;assbot;3 results for 'china crimea' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=china+crimea
1033320;1424882282;asciilifeform;they've developed an american-style agricultural practice for use in leased foreign lands, as well
1033321;1424882283;PeterL;nubbins`: I am not saying self-sufficiency, I am saying rivaling china for output. I also have no idea how one would go about doing it, just saying there are lots of people in Africa which could be used as a resource for the right person
1033322;1424882287;asciilifeform;that is quite like 'strip mining'
1033323;1424882323;asciilifeform;PeterL: the quickest cure for this notion is to try it
1033324;1424882333;asciilifeform;no need to go to the continent, even
1033325;1424882336;nubbins`;PeterL no doubt. worth noting that "rivaling china for output" is not necessarily a positive
1033326;1424882340;asciilifeform;try the local immigrants
1033327;1424882377;PeterL;you want me to go over to Detroit and organize the populace into something not a worthless mess?
1033328;1424882388;asciilifeform;^ example
1033329;1424882422;PeterL;"I have big plans, BIG PLANS!, as mayor I will accomplish AMAZING things, with your help!"
1033330;1424882422;assbot;AMAZING COMPANY!
1033331;1424882506;PeterL;my brother works in the Detroit Public Schools, from his anecdotes I have little hope things will change there.
1033332;1424882511;mircea_popescu;PeterL tis is rank nonsense, you know.
1033333;1424882511;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: back to the cn phactory gurlz, it's an open economic question whether a particular one can physically generate enough wealth to pay for 'carroting' it
1033334;1424882518;chetty;put a big fence around Detroit and come back in a hundred years
1033335;1424882535;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: it's rather like how you cannot have an engine use more energy for, e.g., alternator, than burning fuel yields
1033336;1424882560;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform the idea is that you have someone trading you 1 joule of fuel for half joule of electricity.
1033337;1424882565;mircea_popescu;that's how these economies always close.
1033338;1424882565;asciilifeform;!up gabriel_laddel
1033339;1424882567;gabriel_laddel;ty
1033340;1424882570;gabriel_laddel;;; google chinese eat dogs, cats
1033341;1424882571;gribble;9 Countries That Eat Cats and Dogs | The Daily Meal: <http://www.thedailymeal.com/9-countries-eat-cats-and-dogs/11414>; Dog meat - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dog_meat>; Cat meat - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cat_meat>
1033342;1424882589;asciilifeform;chinese eat anything that can be digested
1033343;1424882598;asciilifeform;(and attempt plenty of things that can't)
1033344;1424882612;gabriel_laddel;it seems to me that if the west would just fuck off and let China have Africa everything will go swimmingly.
1033345;1424882622;asciilifeform;recently there was a widely-copied newspaper piece re: tiger farms
1033346;1424882628;punkman;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gutter_oil
1033347;1424882629;assbot;Gutter oil - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ... ( http://bit.ly/1EQApfQ )
1033348;1424882629;asciilifeform;yes, eat them
1033349;1424882633;asciilifeform;aha gutter oil
1033350;1424882642;gabriel_laddel;they don't have the same sensibilities, being a different people (*gasp*).
1033351;1424882644;asciilifeform;best thing to prepare fresh tiger in
1033352;1424882664;mircea_popescu;gabriel_laddel that's the plan. it won't work, but anyway.
1033353;1424882673;mircea_popescu;time for some non-white colonisation failures after all.
1033354;1424882683;gabriel_laddel;it won't work.. why?
1033355;1424882687;asciilifeform; some non-white colonisation failures << jp got there first
1033356;1424882693;mircea_popescu;why. because shit doesn't work.
1033357;1424882818;gabriel_laddel;http://www.mazepath.com/uncleal/korea.htm
1033358;1424882819;assbot; BEING A GRACIOUS WINNER ... ( http://bit.ly/1EQASi7 )
1033359;1424882949;punkman;http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/commentators/save-the-tiger-the-animals-bred-for-bones-on-chinas-tiger-farms-9636537.html
1033360;1424882951;assbot;Save the Tiger: The animals bred for bones on China’s tiger farms - Commentators - Voices - The Independent ... ( http://bit.ly/1EQBgwS )
1033361;1424882951;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21600 @ 0.00041432 = 8.9493 BTC [-] {2} 
1033362;1424882955;punkman;apparently not for meat
1033363;1424882976;punkman;"The Xionsen Wine Company sells bottles of eight-year-old tiger bone wine, also fortified with tiger penis, for around £200"
1033364;1424883019;PeterL;they make the wine from crushed bones of 8-yo tigers?
1033365;1424883088;NewLiberty;I don't want to know what they did to the tiger to encourage that kind of fortifying
1033366;1424883090;mircea_popescu;no, they crush baby bones let them sit for 8 years
1033367;1424883144;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=25-02-2015#1032999 << somehow... we were aware
1033368;1424883144;assbot;Logged on 25-02-2015 08:22:52; gmaxwell: man y'all will get a kick out of the latest foundation lol-event.  They have some _utterly_ braindead 'blockchain voting' scheme for their board vote run off (gotta love changing voting infrastructure mid election for election integrity)
1033369;1424883267;gabriel_laddel;http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/property/pictures/9888398/Overhead-photos-of-cramped-apartments-in-Hong-Kong.html?frame=2489576
1033370;1424883269;assbot;Overhead photos of cramped apartments in Hong Kong - Telegraph ... ( http://bit.ly/1EQCbgN )
1033371;1424883317;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15488 @ 0.00041373 = 6.4079 BTC [-] {2} 
1033372;1424883486;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=25-02-2015#1033036 << it implies the awkward situation where he's been an idiot, doesn't know how to beg forgiveness, represents instead that hey, at least claiming /his/ taste is somehow involved. at least that protects ego a little.
1033373;1424883486;assbot;Logged on 25-02-2015 08:49:12; gmaxwell: cazalla: not my taste doesn't necessarily imply an active dislike.
1033374;1424883554;mircea_popescu;!up Phraust
1033375;1424883711;mircea_popescu;"the alleged hacking of SIM card encryption keys" eh ?
1033376;1424883758;mircea_popescu;assbot: State Department spokeswoman floats jobs as answer to ISIS | http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=23-02-2015#1030497
1033377;1424883758;assbot;Logged on 23-02-2015 15:20:03; mircea_popescu: the ONLY way i'd have them fighting overseas is if congress approves this plan whereby a) all territory we step on gets granted territory status ; b) soldiers once veteranized are rewarded in homesteads there, and HAVE TO marry local
1033378;1424883815;Phraust;thanks.
1033379;1424883846;mircea_popescu;yw
1033380;1424883883;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=25-02-2015#1033119 << that may not be exactly misleading, it may just be he spoke too early. maybe the plan is to pop the sks system, and if they put a little pressure who exactly is going to stand up to it ?
1033381;1424883883;assbot;Logged on 25-02-2015 14:34:59; mats: also deliberately misleading folks about widespread use with the quantity of keys on sks keyservers
1033382;1424883895;mircea_popescu;(we, of course, which prolly means we're redoing the sks too)
1033383;1424883978;PeterL;add that to the #b-a todo list?
1033384;1424884002;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=25-02-2015#1033123 << yes but social media crowd "has no time". somehow they can jump the moment the damned phone blink, but to spend an hour to think quietly with a book ? not possibru.
1033385;1424884002;assbot;Logged on 25-02-2015 14:39:34; lobbes: "Looking forward, however, I think of GPG as a glorious experiment that has run its course. The journalists who depend on it struggle with it and often mess up (“I send you the private key to communicate privately, right?”)" << lol, this doesn't sound like a problem with gpg. I'll never understand this 'hard-to-use' argument. Just take an afternoon and learn the fundamentals!
1033386;1424884010;mircea_popescu;"wouldja like brainfries with that ?"
1033387;1424884020;mircea_popescu;PeterL not just yet.
1033388;1424884054;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=25-02-2015#1033125 << what we've learneds is to take the usg party at the opposite of its word.
1033389;1424884054;assbot;Logged on 25-02-2015 14:42:59; mats: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=9104188 >> mike_hearn "In the world of crypto, where we've learned so much, yes old means bad. Almost always... How many crypto geeks STILL spout rubbish about how the PKI is totally busted and the web of trust is the future? Way too many... The future of encrypted messaging is not GPG."
1033390;1424884076;mircea_popescu;but that quote is fucking epic.
1033391;1424884113;BingoBoingo;but, how could the chief scientusk of BitcoinXT be wrong?
1033392;1424884168;mircea_popescu;;;later tell bitstein in a purely ops perspective, it's always a bad idea to link those you disagree with. replace with a link to something you agree to. @moxie knows what he wrote.
1033393;1424884168;gribble;The operation succeeded.
1033394;1424884174;mircea_popescu;wait wut ?
1033395;1424884179;nubbins`;today i learned it is legal to sell and serve dog meat in canada
1033396;1424884213;mircea_popescu;nubbins` it's often enough eatne in spain.
1033397;1424884236;mircea_popescu;anyway, the speed at which the entire world seems to be coagulating around us is nothing short of impressive.
1033398;1424884236;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: BitcoinXT is the hearn foundation Bitcoin fork which has all kinds of features even Gavin rejected because they make nodes incredibly more DoS attackable
1033399;1424884270;mircea_popescu;that b-a drives "biutcoin foundation" policy is not even remarkable. that assets like the marlinspike dood are thrown in the fray to try and prevent a wot based republic however...
1033400;1424884292;mircea_popescu;at this rate indiancandy1 is getting replaced with madonna on the short term.
1033401;1424884312;nubbins`;mildly amusing to see this phoundation push for full nodes after it started being worked on in here
1033402;1424884325;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo oh that lol. eh, nobody cares.
1033403;1424884334;mircea_popescu;nubbins` rather.
1033404;1424884379;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo and you know, if you follow the course of events, #1 we went to anti-uspoettering debvian chan
1033405;1424884392;mircea_popescu;next week ? ra ra ra "no wot plox"
1033406;1424884566;BingoBoingo;It is amusing. Still when it comes time to replace GPG it will look more like https://github.com/tedu/reop than any Moxenslit iPerson thing (except... with RSA support and done in ADA/Common Lisp)
1033407;1424884568;assbot;tedu/reop · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1EQFV1Z )
1033408;1424884690;chetty;http://www.thecollegefix.com/post/21310/
1033409;1424884692;assbot;‘Activism’ class at University of Michigan teaches capitalism should be ‘overthrown’ ... ( http://bit.ly/1EQGdWA )
1033410;1424884735;mircea_popescu;but by all means.
1033411;1424885090;mircea_popescu;in unrelated news, chetty just found a layered bug in the stack eulora uses. one bug prevented the functionality (wrong pointer reference) ; the other bug prevented the previous bug from crashing every single machine all the time.
1033412;1424885100;mircea_popescu;one suspects this is what counts for fixing.
1033413;1424885450;BingoBoingo;http://qntra.net/2015/02/ny-environmental-protection-raid-drives-suicide/
1033414;1424885451;assbot;NY "Environmental Protection" Raid Drives Suicide | Qntra.net ... ( http://bit.ly/1EQIiBX )
1033415;1424885544;mircea_popescu;o.O
1033416;1424885564;mircea_popescu;til internet dictionaries define indigence as "the state of being poor".
1033417;1424885578;mircea_popescu;this is exactly wrong. indigence is the state of being worthless.
1033418;1424885667;bitstein;mircea_popescu: Good advice, thanks.
1033419;1424885815;mircea_popescu;"That a public education system could disgorge untold legions of literate, numerate, and motivated graduates is beyond their collective comprehension. How unlucky the Caucasoid races are to have all the kids with learning disabilities."
1033420;1424885818;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 100850 @ 0.00042255 = 42.6142 BTC [+] {3} 
1033421;1424885822;mircea_popescu;bwahahaha al is pretty cool.
1033422;1424885826;mircea_popescu;http://www.mazepath.com/uncleal/korea.htm
1033423;1424885827;assbot; BEING A GRACIOUS WINNER ... ( http://bit.ly/1EQJvJj )
1033424;1424885931;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: gonna guess it was a 'suicide' rather than suicide
1033425;1424885944;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: or there'd be at least a few dead polizei
1033426;1424885989;asciilifeform;or what, he kept pistol with exactly one bullet, like a cosmonaut ?
1033427;1424886005;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: Reportedly did it in a locked bathroom with a .357 magnum
1033428;1424886058;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform not everyone's the outgoing kind.
1033429;1424886224;mircea_popescu;http://41.media.tumblr.com/3be524ce48d460c8ac02c7233198d107/tumblr_mvahj3b29T1qhisfxo1_1280.jpg << pony!
1033430;1424886226;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1EQKBoD )
1033431;1424886306;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26012 @ 0.00041268 = 10.7346 BTC [-]
1033432;1424886340;mircea_popescu;"There just seems to be something particular about people who try GPG and conclude that it�s a realistic path to introducing private communication in their lives for casual correspondence with strangers. Increasingly, it�s a club that I don�t want to belong to anymore." << well... granted, eh.
1033433;1424886381;mircea_popescu;the oil and the water are separating, and no welfarist state-sponsored mixer can do anything abotu the accelerating rate.
1033434;1424886428;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11038 @ 0.00040978 = 4.5232 BTC [-]
1033435;1424886428;mircea_popescu;"Worse, it turns out that nobody else found all this stuff to be fascinating. Even though GPG has been around for almost 20 years, there are only ~50,000 keys in the �strong set,� and less than 4 million keys have ever been published to the SKS keyserver pool ever. By today�s standards, that�s a shockingly small user base for a month of activity, much less 20 years."
1033436;1424886453;mircea_popescu;"nobody else" as in, all people are equal, getting a 50k elite out of a 4mn aspirational set out of a 1bn population is somehow unexpected and un-natural.
1033437;1424886546;PeterL;do people use keys not submitted to key servers?
1033438;1424886659;mircea_popescu;"What we have
1033439;1424886660;mircea_popescu;Today, journalists use GPG to communicate with sources securely, activists use it to coordinate world wide, and software companies use it to help secure their infrastructure. Some really heroic people have put in an enormous amount of effort to get us here, at substantial personal cost, and with little support.
1033440;1424886660;mircea_popescu;Looking forward, however, I think of GPG as a very dangerous technology that really has to go away if we're serious about making it impossible for journalists, their sources, activists and other enemies of the state to survive in a NSA/TSA/ETC-only world."
1033441;1424886676;mircea_popescu;PeterL sure, there's nothing but convenience requiring it.
1033442;1424886692;PeterL;so that number of users could be understated
1033443;1424886695;mircea_popescu;as a side note : secure comunication via gpg works as follows :
1033444;1424886705;mircea_popescu;1) you find the public key of the public interface you wish to use
1033445;1424886721;mircea_popescu;2) you generate - SECURELY (see airgap guide etc) a new keypair for yourself
1033446;1424886737;mircea_popescu;3) you send mail to 1 using 2 and including pubkey for your new key.
1033447;1424886774;mircea_popescu;this can be repeated as many times as you wish, and it can also be used as an otr process (just make new key for each exchange).
1033448;1424886842;danielpbarron;for the logs, perfect forward secrecy ^
1033449;1424886889;mircea_popescu;half way, because if the public interface is compromised it still sees all your emails.
1033450;1424886924;mircea_popescu;"Even the projects that attempt to use it as a dependency struggle." heh
1033451;1424886949;danielpbarron;the people throwing this term around are advocates of some fully automated process that runs on their phone, so...
1033452;1424887121;mircea_popescu;http://www.thoughtcrime.org/blog/gpg-and-me/#comment-1875102607
1033453;1424887122;assbot;Moxie Marlinspike >> Blog >> GPG And Me ... ( http://bit.ly/1vzhAhb )
1033454;1424887131;mircea_popescu;disqus eh
1033455;1424887244;thestringpuller;GPG is bad SSL good!
1033456;1424887256;thestringpuller;^- the new propaganda on encryption
1033457;1424887289;thestringpuller;d00d from FBI wants to outlaw GPG in US (again)
1033458;1424887312;mircea_popescu;doh.
1033459;1424887321;mircea_popescu;and still pushing the pki ridiculousness.
1033460;1424887324;mircea_popescu;"oh, it works."
1033461;1424887331;mircea_popescu;"it just works!!! "
1033462;1424887348;mircea_popescu;i wonder if i could sell some cars to these idiots that are really wooden crates with lcd screen inside.
1033463;1424887356;mircea_popescu;"takes you wherever you want to go! not really..."
1033464;1424887372;mircea_popescu;"but it's just as good and much easier to use than a car!11"
1033465;1424887422;PeterL;and gets better gas mileage!
1033466;1424887426;mircea_popescu;way.
1033467;1424887431;thestringpuller;the sad thing is you could do that and prob get bonus at some firm in the US
1033468;1424887436;PeterL;fully electric even!
1033469;1424887454;mircea_popescu;plus, it prevents not only traffic accidents (leading cause of death!) but also, this one time, this guy used a car and was robbed!
1033470;1424887502;danielpbarron;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=23-01-2015#989461
1033471;1424887502;assbot;Logged on 23-01-2015 21:26:58; asciilifeform: the fastest, thickest, most luxurious car is --- not having to go places.
1033472;1424887516;mircea_popescu;i should probably ycombinate a start-up to deploy tons of these in old warehouses across the us
1033473;1424887530;mircea_popescu;get some fed grants for it, idiots will prolly go in the box just to be different...
1033474;1424887551;mircea_popescu;soon enough a "competitor" to gm has been born.
1033475;1424887563;mircea_popescu;and prolly have more market cap than gm, as far as that goes.
1033476;1424887586;PeterL;and politicians will promise "an MP-car for every garage!"
1033477;1424887621;mircea_popescu;well... 200sqft "studio", as the case may be.
1033478;1424887622;PeterL;heh, I like that name, because when you say it MP-car sounds alot like empty-car
1033479;1424887629;mircea_popescu;lol so it does.
1033480;1424887746;BingoBoingo;MT Car, by Mircea Trabant company
1033481;1424887770;mircea_popescu;lol
1033482;1424887800;mircea_popescu;http://33.media.tumblr.com/2bdf04c34b7f80baf2346fd55e3c61ec/tumblr_n2l0330B3N1toca06o1_400.gif << this is one brave babe.
1033483;1424887804;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1vzjs9P )
1033484;1424887984;jurov;dunno better comparison to pki would be a car without steering whell, steered by usg
1033485;1424888005;jurov;which there already are some
1033486;1424888043;thestringpuller;lol self driving car in future prevents you from going to certain places.
1033487;1424888056;thestringpuller;"I want to go to the strip club" "Cannot drive to that destination"
1033488;1424888064;mircea_popescu;nah, because a) the usg doesn't care to steer you a particular direction. it only wants you to not move - it's a bureaucracy after all, it has no resources to deal with change, nor can change mean anything but it's ass ; b) the illusion of free wheeling is what's important.
1033489;1424888074;chetty;and delivers you to the gasenwagen when the time comes
1033490;1424888097;chetty;http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/414380/fcc-chair-refuses-testify-congress-ahead-net-neutrality-vote-andrew-johnson
1033491;1424888098;assbot;National Review ... ( http://bit.ly/1vzki6g )
1033492;1424888107;mircea_popescu;lol you can do that now ?
1033493;1424888117;mircea_popescu;"o hey, i refuse to testify. fu."
1033494;1424888127;thestringpuller;chetty: or turns into a gasenwagen! gas just starts spewing out.
1033495;1424888146;chetty;well I guess they still sorta respect the 5th amendment, might be the only one left
1033496;1424888176;thestringpuller;except when you exercise it they just throw you into a hole
1033497;1424888182;mircea_popescu;uh... his family is somehow involved ?
1033498;1424888322;chetty;well this fcc chair was against net nuetrality a while back, then he had a meeting with ?? and 332 pags of new regulation (stamped secret) appeared. You figure it out
1033499;1424888418;mircea_popescu;so basically, no high speed for the us. ever.
1033500;1424888435;mircea_popescu;being humiliated by shitholes like romania apparently isn't going to be a temporary situation.
1033501;1424888540;chetty;well I guess the usaians need to learn from the greeks how make mesh nets
1033502;1424888699;mircea_popescu;no see, the socialised medicine is just good enopugh to prevent an actually useful, individual solution.
1033503;1424888725;mircea_popescu;it's how africa's being "helped" : ban the perfectly fine fillament lightbulbs just as they get to where they could maybe make some, trickle in a little food so most people don't want to work.
1033504;1424888741;mircea_popescu;same thing will be with the fcc internet : just fast enough people don't start making an independent one.
1033505;1424888817;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform 's "gravity hole" is a constructive element, not a random occurence.
1033506;1424889051;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25100 @ 0.00042433 = 10.6507 BTC [+]
1033507;1424889156;chetty; same thing will be with the fcc internet : just fast enough people don't start making an independent one.// speed will not be the only issue, think china
1033508;1424889248;BingoBoingo;But the FCC internet will give users Fat Pipes, to better DoS real people with.
1033509;1424889425;chetty;anybody tried raising pigeons?
1033510;1424889437;ben_vulpes;;;seen pigeons
1033511;1424889437;gribble;pigeons was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 30 weeks, 3 days, 1 hour, 40 minutes, and 0 seconds ago: <pigeons> so far that seems accurate
1033512;1424890093;jurov;lol....guess using drones is cheaper than pigeons by now
1033513;1424890107;BingoBoingo;!up ascii_field
1033514;1424890111;ascii_field;ty BingoBoingo!
1033515;1424890158;ascii_field;mircea_popescu: high speed << not actually a major problem in the american population centres
1033516;1424890162;ascii_field;it's the other stuff.
1033517;1424890191;ascii_field;(e.g. i get ~100 megabaud and can get 500 if paid a little more)
1033518;1424890266;ascii_field;decimation: how can any kind of signal magically compromise a stu? << no magic necessary, just ordinary heterodyne
1033519;1424890457;mircea_popescu;ascii_field not so far.
1033520;1424890475;mircea_popescu;however, romania is, like all of asia, on gbps sorta thing
1033521;1424890488;ascii_field;for ~1/5 the cost, probably, yes
1033522;1424890497;mircea_popescu;usual 30 bux a month
1033523;1424890510;ascii_field;but decent bandwidth isn't this totally unattainable thing in gringolandia
1033524;1424890523;ascii_field;just costs a few times mroe
1033525;1424890525;ascii_field;*more
1033526;1424890568;ascii_field;(and price goes up geometrically with distance from major 'icbm targets')
1033527;1424890576;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24231 @ 0.00042433 = 10.2819 BTC [+]
1033528;1424890580;mircea_popescu;more's the point : it won't stay that way.
1033529;1424890595;mircea_popescu;no argument that health care was attainable in the us cca 2010. just cost a liuttle more.
1033530;1424890596;ascii_field;!s internet of the future
1033531;1424890597;assbot;8 results for 'internet of the future' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=internet+of+the+future
1033532;1424890602;mircea_popescu;it will not be, for any sum, by 2020.
1033533;1424890660;ascii_field;'For a goat may butt, and a worm may sting, / And a child will sometimes stand; / But a poor dead soldier of the King / Can never lift a hand.' (herr kipling)
1033534;1424890670;ascii_field;don't expect much of anything from usa 2020.
1033535;1424890818;ascii_field;orlov, interestingly, argued that high speed net is key in the modern usg 'panem et circenses' program and will chug along long after problems with supplying the basics of life have begun
1033536;1424890836;ascii_field;but it'll be the 'internet of the future' rather than what we're using now.
1033537;1424890867;mircea_popescu;actually intermittent low bw internet would be better for that purpose. keep the redditard busy
1033538;1424890880;BingoBoingo;"Netflix"
1033539;1424891014;mircea_popescu;ah there is that.
1033540;1424891095;BingoBoingo;"Streaming Video" and online gaming are the USG approved application of surplus bandwidth
1033541;1424891151;ascii_field;don't forget streaming audio from microphones chump voluntarily keeps in the house, car, etc
1033542;1424891266;BingoBoingo;Well, has to go both directions
1033543;1424891484;BingoBoingo;!up BayAreaCoins
1033544;1424891489;BingoBoingo;!up jborkl
1033545;1424891493;BingoBoingo;!up felipelalli
1033546;1424891496;BayAreaCoins;Thanks Bingo
1033547;1424891551;BayAreaCoins;MP do you plan on pulling the CLAM bet on BitBet or is it going to run its course?  If you do cancel it I assume the coins will just be sent to the payment addresses?
1033548;1424891616;mircea_popescu;which bet is this ?
1033549;1424891627;BayAreaCoins;MP, https://bitbet.us/bet/1121/clam-losing-grip-sells-0-0029-or-lower/
1033550;1424891628;assbot;BitBet - CLAM losing grip -> sells 0.0029 or lower before April 25th :: 0.18 B (3%) on Yes, 5.08 B (97%) on No | closing in 1 month 3 weeks | weight: 93`348 (100`000 to 10) ... ( http://bit.ly/1Dqxbjc )
1033551;1424891659;mircea_popescu;its gonna run.
1033552;1424891662;jborkl;sup bitches
1033553;1424891669;punkman;"144 Universities Warn Congress Pending Patent Legislation Would Harm U.S. Innovation System"  http://www.aau.edu/policy/article.aspx?id=15923
1033554;1424891671;assbot;Association of American Universities ... ( http://bit.ly/1DqxjiT )
1033555;1424891707;BayAreaCoins;Thanks MP.
1033556;1424891715;mircea_popescu;np np
1033557;1424891717;BayAreaCoins;Y'all fellas have a nice day.
1033558;1424891968;BingoBoingo;!up ascii_field
1033559;1424892023;ascii_field;danke BingoBoingo
1033560;1424892406;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20890 @ 0.00042422 = 8.862 BTC [-]
1033561;1424893138;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12600 @ 0.00041732 = 5.2582 BTC [-]
1033562;1424893626;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4850 @ 0.00041492 = 2.0124 BTC [-]
1033563;1424893687;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31124 @ 0.00042291 = 13.1627 BTC [+] {2} 
1033564;1424893717;BingoBoingo;!up btcat
1033565;1424893726;BingoBoingo;Hello btcat
1033566;1424893752;btcat;hello
1033567;1424893874;BingoBoingo;!up ascii_field
1033568;1424893884;ascii_field;ty BingoBoingo
1033569;1424893973;mircea_popescu;ascii_field dun take it teh wrong way, but! the thanking is kinda spammy.
1033570;1424893979;ascii_field;ok
1033571;1424894555;mike_c;if we could sign into b-a with our facebook accounts we wouldn't have to get up'ed when we were in the field.
1033572;1424894570;ascii_field;with anal print
1033573;1424894597;mircea_popescu;but i don't have a facebook account ;/
1033574;1424894606;ben_vulpes;there an assbot persistent otp link per key?
1033575;1424894645;mircea_popescu;i thought they're single use ?
1033576;1424894675;ben_vulpes;sure, the otp itself.
1033577;1424894784;BingoBoingo;http://www.stltoday.com/lifestyles/columns/joe-holleman/tv-anchor-kristi-capel-off-air-until-monday-after-racial/article_4baebdde-0073-5af4-b9f9-3b93a09e045d.html
1033578;1424894785;assbot;TV anchor Kristi Capel off air until Monday after racial slur : Lifestyles ... ( http://bit.ly/1LEh5V2 )
1033579;1424894907;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12000 @ 0.00042147 = 5.0576 BTC [-]
1033580;1424895159;mircea_popescu;!up jux
1033581;1424895220;jux;they just mentioned this place on teamspeak so i am checking it out
1033582;1424895226;mircea_popescu;who's they
1033583;1424895247;jux;teamspeak all the audio bitcoin chatters/traders
1033584;1424895290;mircea_popescu;aha
1033585;1424895597;thestringpuller;a lot of new people are stopping in
1033586;1424895600;thestringpuller;welcome guise
1033587;1424895724;thestringpuller;!up assbot
1033588;1424895731;thestringpuller;!up ascii_field
1033589;1424896014;mats;teamspeak sounds like a horrifically bad medium to communicate with more than, say, three people at a time
1033590;1424896139;mircea_popescu;notmuch worse than the historical forum.
1033591;1424896154;mircea_popescu;most decent guild players have meanwhile learned to stfu / use it sanely.
1033592;1424896310;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15150 @ 0.00041819 = 6.3356 BTC [-]
1033593;1424896394;BingoBoingo;http://burnedoutmedic.com/2014/02/what-are-politicians-doing-thats-so-important-that-they-travel-with-lights-and-sirens/
1033594;1424896396;assbot;What ARE politicians doing that’s so important that they travel with lights and sirens? | Burned-Out Medic ... ( http://bit.ly/1LEo00t )
1033595;1424896415;ascii_field;BingoBoingo: sop in ru
1033596;1424896420;ascii_field;for decades.
1033597;1424896425;mircea_popescu;and the answer is "nothing".
1033598;1424896432;mircea_popescu;that's it : unimportance must be masked.
1033599;1424896447;ascii_field;ru politicos even fight to decide who merits 'blinker' - like roman lictors
1033600;1424896493;trinque;got the deedbot blockchain up to date yesterday, haxed on the transaction creating guy
1033601;1424896517;trinque;mired in irl work until this evening, but will be finishing up then
1033602;1424896543;mircea_popescu;cool.
1033603;1424896576;trinque;not to derail current convos, but I finally caught up on the current events blockchain as well
1033604;1424896583;trinque;are we really trying to instigate wwiii?
1033605;1424896592;trinque;advisors in ukraine like 'nam
1033606;1424896599;trinque;tanks in europe, etc
1033607;1424896609;danielpbarron;hi jux :D
1033608;1424896618;trinque;I feel like I'm going to get my startup profitable just as the roof caves in
1033609;1424896825;danielpbarron;https://twitter.com/flibbr/status/570684349152165888 @danielpbarron I have insiders in #bitcoin-assets now. I am inviting you onto the teamspeak. It'd be rude not to show your face :)
1033610;1424896827;assbot;/danielpbarron Daniel r u going to come onto this 200+ user global bitcoin teamspeak channel and bring your cult /hashtag/bitcoinassets?src=hash mates?
1033611;1424896909;chetty;200+ people talking at once? oh what fun, hold me back
1033612;1424896978;danielpbarron;I joined his google hangout one time; the guy was so flabbergasted with my position that he kept repeating explitives relating to how unbelievable it was
1033613;1424896983;mircea_popescu;trinque it's usually how that works.
1033614;1424897016;trinque;mircea_popescu: heh, I've always figured I'd be dragging myself out of rubble at some point
1033615;1424897036;trinque;haven't ever been certain whether that was a metaphor
1033616;1424897057;lobbes;fatmouse is coming
1033617;1424897058;chetty;think of all the fun to be had rebuilding trinque
1033618;1424897077;danielpbarron;aww the "insider" left
1033619;1424897080;mircea_popescu;anyway, the notion that dod is dumb enough to re-do vietnam...
1033620;1424897094;ascii_field;re-do iraq
1033621;1424897100;ascii_field;re-do afghan
1033622;1424897108;mircea_popescu;it's all just one dumb redo huh
1033623;1424897116;ascii_field;what else -does- it do
1033624;1424897138;mircea_popescu;myea
1033625;1424897185;trinque;chetty: one hopes it's an opportunity for greatness to emerge
1033626;1424897328;mircea_popescu;the only practical thing it does is it forces women to shut up, with the resultant shutdown of welfare, classes with no grades, coddled children etc.
1033627;1424897336;mats;http://codemachine.com/article_x64deepdive.html
1033628;1424897346;mircea_popescu;you'd think this could be modulated in the head rather than in the welted butt.
1033629;1424897572;ascii_field;mats: basic winblows
1033630;1424897662;BingoBoingo;!up ascii_field
1033631;1424897675;mats;yeup.
1033632;1424897691;mats;learning windows internals is a daily struggle...
1033633;1424897811;mircea_popescu;ahhh the splendor that is tlp. allow me to quote http://thelastpsychiatrist.com/2008/07/academics_hide_drug_company_pa.html
1033634;1424897812;assbot;The Last Psychiatrist: Academics Hide Drug Company Payments ... ( http://bit.ly/1LEu8pA )
1033635;1424897834;mircea_popescu;Believe me, I am no friend of Biederman's.  But the money is a red herring.  If you want to be angry about the specific ethics of a psychiatrist receiving Pharma money, fine, but I am telling you it is not worth the Senate time, not worth press space.
1033636;1424897834;mircea_popescu;The real money, the real problem that goes unmentioned is the money that goes to universities, in the form of research grants.  Biederman may have pocketed $1M, but I'm sure he was awarded much, much more for clinical trials-- money which he didn't get any of, which went to Harvard.
1033637;1424897834;mircea_popescu;We aren't overmedicating kids because Biederman told us to; we're doing it because Harvard told us to.  And Harvard told us to because that is what they are getting money to study.  Biederman is just the nanobot that does it.
1033638;1424897836;mircea_popescu;If Biederman never existed, nothing would be different.  You read his resume, you think, wow, he's a big player.  You don't realize that if he didn't exist there would be some other person in his exact position, who would also have become a Distinguished Professor, won awards, written 450 publications, etc.  The machine was already in place, his slot was going to get filled; his mind didn't discover anything, those res
1033639;1424897841;mircea_popescu;ults were coming no matter what, those publications were already going to be written.
1033640;1424897843;mircea_popescu;The money isn't corrupting him into thinking childhood bipolar is underdiagnosed-- he truly believes it.  The reason he believes it is his entire professional existence-- his whole identity-- is predicated on believing it.  He's not a scientist, he's a priest.
1033641;1424897876;mircea_popescu;if anyone in any position of "big playerness" in fiat is curious to see exactly how true this is ? take a week to not do anything. at all.
1033642;1424897908;mircea_popescu;hey, you're a big player, right ? not doing anything is the default, i'm sure caesar could sit on his ass in the castrum and play dice with the centurions for three straight winters if he so wanted.
1033643;1424897932;mircea_popescu;it's not that he didn't trhat makes him one of those big players, it's that it was solely his option to do so, and didn't.
1033644;1424897950;mircea_popescu;is the same the case for you ? if you simply stop doing your cog-part, is there any pressure ?
1033645;1424897960;mircea_popescu;how long can you stop the machine before you're simply replaced ?
1033646;1424897963;mircea_popescu;that's the measure of power.
1033647;1424898174;pete_dushenski;sort of why obama fills every moment of every day meeting with various online celebs
1033648;1424898184;pete_dushenski;if he sat still for a moment, you'd forget who was in the white house
1033649;1424898260;pete_dushenski;http://www.contravex.com/2015/02/25/count-your-blessings-government-employees-to-say-nothing-of-your-days/
1033650;1424898261;assbot;Count your blessings, government employees, to say nothing of your days. | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski ... ( http://bit.ly/1LEvTTR )
1033651;1424898349;trinque;mircea_popescu: how can anything be done about that particular problem of identity?
1033652;1424898384;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9850 @ 0.00042147 = 4.1515 BTC [+]
1033653;1424898488;trinque;trying to articulate the actual question
1033654;1424898530;trinque;seems having a name creates this bundle of "I am" in the head, which people protect as they do their own bodies
1033655;1424898590;trinque;or even at the cost of their actual bodies
1033656;1424898652;mircea_popescu;trinque which particular problem is that ?
1033657;1424898693;mircea_popescu;identity is the result of action. action requires agency. a perverse system (such as any high density population will always create) separates action from agency. ("i'm only doing my job").
1033658;1424898736;mircea_popescu;this results in broken identity, and there's literally no solution except carnage (bring down that density), which is why people who figure it out usually leave a note where their assault rifles used to be.
1033659;1424898752;trinque;saw you link joe stack the other day
1033660;1424898762;trinque;friends and I had a little celebration that day
1033661;1424898781;mircea_popescu;commemoration ?
1033662;1424898788;ascii_field;doing my job << 'i wüz ünly föllöwing ürderz'
1033663;1424898807;trinque;mircea_popescu: yeah
1033664;1424898811;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34500 @ 0.00041818 = 14.4272 BTC [-] {2} 
1033665;1424898826;mircea_popescu;the entire "act from cause not towards purpose" thing on trilema is exactly a vaccine against that.
1033666;1424898829;trinque;his note got a little slogan laden, but I unerstand the grief
1033667;1424898834;thestringpuller;ah pete_dushenski the trap philosopher :D
1033668;1424898837;*;thestringpuller waves
1033669;1424898852;trinque;mircea_popescu: that's an exceptionally clarifying statement, and one which I think helps me articulate the identity thing
1033670;1424898859;mircea_popescu;if person has enough sense to limit how much agencyless activity they put out, they will stand a much better chance to develop an actual idenity, and so not find themselves at age 40 flying planes into buildings.
1033671;1424898951;ascii_field;http://www.cabinetmagazine.org/issues/42/wiles.php << obligatory
1033672;1424898952;assbot;CABINET // The Behavioral Sink ... ( http://bit.ly/1EsPxlx )
1033673;1424898961;pete_dushenski;thestringpuller ;)
1033674;1424898983;ascii_field;'Normal social discourse within the mouse community broke down, and with it the ability of mice to form social bonds. The failures and dropouts congregated in large groups in the middle of the enclosure, their listless withdrawal occasionally interrupted by spasms and waves of pointless violence. The victims of these random attacks became attackers. Left on their own in nests subject to invasion, nursing females attacked
1033675;1424898983;ascii_field;their own young. Procreation slumped, infant abandonment and mortality soared. Lone females retreated to isolated nesting boxes on penthouse levels. Other males, a group Calhoun termed “the beautiful ones,” never sought sex and never fought—they just ate, slept, and groomed, wrapped in narcissistic introspection.'
1033676;1424899032;trinque;mircea_popescu: when I became disillusioned with god and state, that involved a realization that I could feel towards myself any way I saw fit
1033677;1424899043;trinque;my identity is as imagined as the god I used to believe in
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1033680;1424899375;thestringpuller;^^^- the stuff conspiracy theories are made of ;)
1033681;1424899469;cazalla;logs were an interesting read this morning
1033682;1424900260;pete_dushenski;cazalla the gmaxwell bit ?
1033683;1424900426;cazalla;pete_dushenski, moxie and gpg discussion
1033684;1424900442;pete_dushenski;o ya, i called his ass out yesterday
1033685;1424900450;pete_dushenski;sorta what kicked the whole thing off on twitter at least
1033686;1424900497;pete_dushenski;https://twitter.com/pete_dushenski/status/570369084186972160
1033687;1424900499;assbot;I used to dream of a world where everyone would install GPG.  Now I dream of a world where I can uninstall it: http://t.co/eRZ0hdlmgx
1033688;1424900523;cazalla;yeah, i read the twitter discussion too
1033689;1424900648;pete_dushenski;usg's gotta throw all its turds at the wall
1033690;1424900654;pete_dushenski;not that surprising
1033691;1424900662;pete_dushenski;use what you can
1033692;1424900717;pete_dushenski;then again, i'd never heard of moxie until he decided to be a retard so i dunno if he really had that much cred to begin with. i assume he was small but not insignificant
1033693;1424900743;cazalla;moxie is australian if memory serves
1033694;1424900767;pete_dushenski;go roos!
1033695;1424900785;pete_dushenski;decimation:re: federal employees overpaid < I suspect the whole system operates as a net with a hole - all the talent get sucked in and immediately leaves, but the bottom suckers end up 'caught' << their getting caught is like a lottery winner getting caught
1033696;1424900790;mike_c;he's done some cool stuff in the past.  most famous (at least to me) for some ssl mitm stuff he built.
1033697;1424900797;pete_dushenski;fortunate beasts are they who don't starve as nature intended
1033698;1424900799;cazalla;unless i'm confusing him with someone else, i remember the name from an aussie forum 15 years back where one could learn to use a mcdonald's straw to get free phone calls from payphones.. amongst other things lol
1033699;1424900890;pete_dushenski;mats:give it another four years and all the useful combat vets will have exited the service out of sheer disgust << to go work at sbux for schultzy ?
1033700;1424900920;mats;the ones that aren't broke from carrying 70+ combat loads, sure.
1033701;1424900930;pete_dushenski;shultz is on record as saying that he plans to hire 10k veterans in the next couple of years
1033702;1424900935;mats;rest, civil service, fire & police depts, ...
1033703;1424900946;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17398 @ 0.0004214 = 7.3315 BTC [+] {2} 
1033704;1424900961;mats;70+ lbs*
1033705;1424900964;pete_dushenski;i suppose there are less useful uses for us military training than caramel frappuccinos
1033706;1424901012;pete_dushenski;mats and academi!
1033707;1424901032;mats;pff. 'triple canopy'.
1033708;1424901068;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 37525 @ 0.0004243 = 15.9219 BTC [+] {2} 
1033709;1424901151;mats;working for a PMC is a sweet hustle. get into a NG SF group, take work leave, teach iraqis trig so they can do some basic artillery targeting.
1033710;1424901342;pete_dushenski;sounds like a regular holiday.
1033711;1424901588;mats;it'd be a holiday for me.
1033712;1424901682;mats;http://america.aljazeera.com/articles/2015/2/25/dc-recreational-marijuana-use-set-to-become-legal.html
1033713;1424901683;assbot;DC recreational marijuana use set to become legal | Al Jazeera America ... ( http://bit.ly/1A7BSKe )
1033714;1424902125;pete_dushenski;that's going to make for one psychadelic cardano
1033715;1424902176;pete_dushenski;i can already see the beads and henna ink on the case design
1033716;1424902227;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 45202 @ 0.00041741 = 18.8678 BTC [-] {2} 
1033717;1424902288;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4648 @ 0.00041069 = 1.9089 BTC [-]
1033718;1424902613;danielpbarron;You are blocked from following @moxie and viewing @moxie's Tweets. Learn more  << LOL
1033719;1424902634;pete_dushenski;heh
1033720;1424902645;pete_dushenski;block all the mean peoples!
1033721;1424902664;pete_dushenski;i had a bunch of people who'd blocked me last i checked
1033722;1424902667;danielpbarron;b-a is like the one place i'm allowed on the internet
1033723;1424902675;pete_dushenski;gavin, derpopoolous, marc andresen, etc
1033724;1424902708;danielpbarron;yeah aantonop blocked me too :D
1033725;1424902721;pete_dushenski;to quote myself: "IRC, it being the first, biggest, bestest bastion of free-thinking men and all that"
1033726;1424902732;danielpbarron;Achievement unlocked: get blocked by 5 sc4mz0rz.
1033727;1424902764;pete_dushenski;it should definitely count towards lordship consideration
1033728;1424902866;pete_dushenski;http://lifehacker.com/five-best-file-encryption-tools-5677725 << bravo for mentioning gpg!
1033729;1424902867;assbot;Five Best File Encryption Tools ... ( http://bit.ly/1A7DZOb )
1033730;1424902979;cazalla;yeah irc is the best, not sure why i left it so many years ago in favour of icq, msn messenger, steam chat treadmill
1033731;1424903244;cazalla;only difference.. i swear there were more girls in #teenchat back in the 90s or at least more boys pretending to be girls
1033732;1424903281;pete_dushenski;figured i'd send the lifehacker dood an invite: https://twitter.com/pete_dushenski/status/570711085440897024
1033733;1424903282;assbot;Hey /halophoenix, tip of the cap for mentioning GPG in your list of 'best file encryption tools'. Consider this an invite to bitcoin-assets.
1033734;1424903328;pete_dushenski;cazalla being geeky isn't cool for girls anymore unless it involves a phablet
1033735;1424903349;pete_dushenski;and quite despite the 'women in tech' lowering of barriers to entry
1033736;1424903356;lobbes;'faux-nerdism' is the rage nowadays
1033737;1424903378;pete_dushenski;mya, big glasses, short skirts, the look, not the content
1033738;1424903383;pete_dushenski;content is... hard
1033739;1424903454;danielpbarron;the look isn't easy either -- need to use filters and camera angles that hide obesity and skin conditions
1033740;1424903570;pete_dushenski;that's not easy ? there's like 1000 buzzfeed articles describing exactly how to do exactly that
1033741;1424903603;*;pete_dushenski thinks this is how buzzfeed works, has only been to gawk at post-superbowl sharknanigans
1033742;1424903994;pete_dushenski;cazalla re: kiddy porn: "Fortunately, the <del>hard hitting journalism</del> published by The Daily Mail" << doesn't parse with this part nixed
1033743;1424904024;jurov;prolly with the "hard" left in
1033744;1424904065;cazalla;yeah, couldn't think of another way to make it work so i left it as is, reader can replace it with whatever they so choose i guess
1033745;1424904087;cazalla;half that report is just talking about bitcoin and drugs, not even cp
1033746;1424904130;pete_dushenski;just un-nix journalism mebbe ?
1033747;1424904158;pete_dushenski;http://qntra.net/2015/02/europol-uses-kiddy-porn-hysteria-to-attack-bitcoin/#comment-11666 << speaking of hard to use.
1033748;1424904158;assbot;Europol Uses Kiddy Porn Hysteria To Attack Bitcoin | Qntra.net ... ( http://bit.ly/1A7HELD )
1033749;1424904174;cazalla;my own personal rule of thumb - those who task themselves to combat cp are more likely to be producers/consumers
1033750;1424905399;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 37400 @ 0.00041804 = 15.6347 BTC [+]
1033751;1424905411;jurov;kako hasn't flushed the bash since feb 9
1033752;1424905440;jurov;so i did.. ended up adding three pages... hes gonna kill me
1033753;1424905460;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4900 @ 0.00041472 = 2.0321 BTC [-]
1033754;1424905601;pete_dushenski;mircea_popescu: usual 30 bux a month << for 1 gbps ?! fuck me if that's even close to accurate.
1033755;1424905617;pete_dushenski;$120/mo here gets... 120 gbps
1033756;1424905650;pete_dushenski;$60 currently gets me 15 mbps
1033757;1424905679;pete_dushenski;fast enough for my needs, but they're not exactly giving it away
1033758;1424905742;pete_dushenski;ascii_field:don't forget streaming audio from microphones chump voluntarily keeps in the house, car, etc << when it's already in your pocket...
1033759;1424905755;mike_c;sold, i'll take 120 gbps for $120.
1033760;1424905845;pete_dushenski;alberta would love to have you :D http://www.shaw.ca/internet/highspeed-120/
1033761;1424905847;assbot;Shaw High Speed Internet 120 - DSL Service | Connect & Download at the highest speeds ... ( http://bit.ly/1alxdiT )
1033762;1424905923;pete_dushenski;!up ascii_field
1033763;1424905991;ascii_field;pete_dushenski: gbps !?!?!
1033764;1424906000;ascii_field;pete_dushenski: you're off by 1000 factor
1033765;1424906009;ascii_field;pete_dushenski: according to vendor link
1033766;1424906029;mike_c;insanity.  qntra bids are over 0.0003?  going to be the priciest share on mpex soon.
1033767;1424906060;pete_dushenski;ascii_field lol so i was. *120 mbps
1033768;1424906107;pete_dushenski;mr. henry (lifehacker author) is apparently flattered at the b-a invite: https://twitter.com/halophoenix/status/570723112498679808
1033769;1424906108;assbot;Hey /halophoenix, tip of the cap for mentioning GPG in your list of 'best file encryption tools'. Consider this an invite to bitcoin-assets.
1033770;1424906122;pete_dushenski;now, we wait and see if he turns that into action.
1033771;1424906128;ascii_field;price 120gb/s sometime.
1033772;1424906175;pete_dushenski;where could such a thing even exist ?
1033773;1424906179;pete_dushenski;in theory-land ?
1033774;1424906192;ascii_field;pete_dushenski: in data centre
1033775;1424906218;pete_dushenski;mike_c i'll sell you my qntra shares for 1 btc each. best price.
1033776;1424906246;pete_dushenski;ascii_field ok, so cost would be... ?
1033777;1424906295;ascii_field;pete_dushenski: depends very much on locale
1033778;1424906332;pete_dushenski;"Morgan Stanley to Pay $2.6 Billion to Settle Mortgage Cases" << more usg tax collection
1033779;1424906353;pete_dushenski;"thank you for carrying out our policy, here's the bill"
1033780;1424906393;pete_dushenski;ascii_field just so i can have a ballpark feel for the numbers, let's say dc
1033781;1424906438;ascii_field;pete_dushenski: mid-five-digits (usd) per mo., most likely
1033782;1424906457;pete_dushenski;hm cool
1033783;1424906471;ascii_field;pete_dushenski: but keep in mind that data centre doesn't sell pipe alone
1033784;1424906487;pete_dushenski;"Pakistan has ordered cellphone users to verify their identities through fingerprints for a national database being compiled to curb terrorism." << maybe pakis should read old nyt ? http://www.truthinjustice.org/fingerprint-myth.htm
1033785;1424906488;assbot;The Myth of Fingerprints ... ( http://bit.ly/1zJ8GKq )
1033786;1424906544;pete_dushenski;ascii_field duly observed
1033787;1424907086;BingoBoingo;pete_dushenski: Be aware that Henry is with a Gawker Media venture
1033788;1424907107;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27779 @ 0.00041612 = 11.5594 BTC [+] {2} 
1033789;1424907168;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5779 @ 0.00041069 = 2.3734 BTC [-]
1033790;1424907307;pete_dushenski;this, i know
1033791;1424907320;pete_dushenski;hey, maybe we can recruit him for qntra after he does his 6 months
1033792;1424907334;pete_dushenski;start chipping away at the establishment and all that
1033793;1424907420;pete_dushenski;laters!
1033794;1424907433;punkman;mircea_popescu: as a side note : secure comunication via gpg works as follows : << alt.anonymous.messages can also be useful
1033795;1424907717;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15741 @ 0.00042433 = 6.6794 BTC [+]
1033796;1424908458;punkman;http://www.zdnet.com/article/lenovo-website-hacked/
1033797;1424908459;assbot;​Lenovo website DNS record hijacked | ZDNet ... ( http://bit.ly/1ALV4Rg )
1033798;1424908937;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19527 @ 0.00041069 = 8.0195 BTC [-]
1033799;1424908998;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5323 @ 0.00040978 = 2.1813 BTC [-]
1033800;1424911316;asciilifeform;http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/02/25/us-china-tech-exclusive-idUSKBN0LT1B020150225 << lulzies
1033801;1424911318;assbot;      Exclusive: China drops leading technology brands for state purchases| Reuters ... ( http://bit.ly/17zMg6M )
1033802;1424911637;ben_vulpes;https://bugs.archlinux.org/task/32423?project=1 << emacs over x11. am i the only one who does this?
1033803;1424911639;assbot;FS#32423 : [emacs] emacsclient consistently crashes emacs ... ( http://bit.ly/1Be6TBu )
1033804;1424911667;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: over x11 vs what ?
1033805;1424911675;ben_vulpes;in a terminal.
1033806;1424911682;asciilifeform;i've only ever used emacs in x11
1033807;1424911704;asciilifeform;ditto most folks i know
1033808;1424911711;ben_vulpes;i've finally grown up a bit then i guess.
1033809;1424911719;asciilifeform;is ben_vulpes using some perverse system ?
1033810;1424911727;ben_vulpes;oh come now, don't be coy.
1033811;1424911727;asciilifeform;netbsd on dead goat ?
1033812;1424911732;asciilifeform;ah let me guess
1033813;1424911742;*;ben_vulpes is baffled as to why guessing would be necessary
1033814;1424911750;asciilifeform;iirc the canonical emacs on apple is 'aquamacs'
1033815;1424911758;thestringpuller;http://i.imgur.com/AkFy40Z.jpg << hey look consumers!
1033816;1424911764;asciilifeform;mostly trad emacs but with gui hooks for the os
1033817;1424911770;ben_vulpes;right.
1033818;1424911785;ben_vulpes;the progression was
1033819;1424911900;ben_vulpes;aquamacs -> railwaycat emacs port -> erc in a terminal on a remote host -> frustrations with tiling window managers in os x -> discovery of xmonad, ratpoison and friends -> x11 configuration -> stumpwm -> emacs on os x in x11 -> horrific bastard mode of "znc" on local machine with "znc" running on remote host -> emacs on remote host as bouncer displaying on a local x11 frame
1033820;1424911936;ben_vulpes;followed by emacsclient crashing emacs --daemon every time the x11 frame disappeared
1033821;1424911945;ben_vulpes;all for want of a workstation, i suppose.
1033822;1424911972;thestringpuller;ben_vulpes: VIM 4 LYFE
1033823;1424911981;*;thestringpuller graffiti's his nice EMACS setup
1033824;1424912034;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: i presume the second item on this list was a build of traditional emacs for apple ?
1033825;1424912043;asciilifeform;why switched from that to the remote thing ?
1033826;1424912060;asciilifeform;(if this was in the log - link to log)
1033827;1424912315;ben_vulpes;asciilifeform: novice's bouncer.
1033828;1424912341;ben_vulpes;i like manipulating text in emacs, but wanted a persistent connection to b-a.
1033829;1424912375;ben_vulpes;the most obvious route to me at the time was to run emacs in a terminal on a remote host.
1033830;1424912410;*;asciilifeform opened today's mail, is leafing through 'ada 95 rationale' and it's a joy
1033831;1424912470;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: i enjoy colours, good fonts, etc. and so will not use emacs in a term if there's any choice about it
1033832;1424912504;thestringpuller;ben_vulpes: why not use a screen multiplexer? like tmux or screen?
1033833;1424912587;cazalla;thestringpuller, i like this one better :P http://i.imgur.com/aFYebE1.gif
1033834;1424912590;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1Be9Fqy )
1033835;1424912621;ben_vulpes;asciilifeform: what typeface do you use?
1033836;1424912724;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: laugh if you will, misc-fixed-medium-r-normal
1033837;1424912830;ben_vulpes;i don't really know enough to laugh.
1033838;1424912845;asciilifeform;emacs is unbeatable on account of the customizations - not only of appearance (i've a different highlighting mode for every type of animal, and most are not the stock included ones) but mechanics - how do folks get along on other editors without 'hungry arrow keys', for example ?
1033839;1424912845;ben_vulpes;all i really know is how to ask about what others do and run my own experiments.
1033840;1424912877;ben_vulpes;hungry arrow keys?
1033841;1424912877;asciilifeform;aha
1033842;1424912888;ben_vulpes;i've no idea what you mean...
1033843;1424912917;asciilifeform;as in, never having to hit an arrow key more than once to traverse a block of whitespace
1033844;1424912917;mike_c;press ctrl?
1033845;1424912917;*;trinque M-x package-install
1033846;1424912934;asciilifeform;mike_c: not same
1033847;1424912942;asciilifeform;mike_c: and not cross-mode
1033848;1424913217;trinque;ben_vulpes: https://github.com/neersighted/nbnc << I might try this out
1033849;1424913218;assbot;neersighted/nbnc · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1BebNyF )
1033850;1424913227;trinque;it claims to be what I want
1033851;1424913275;trinque;hm, no buffering
1033852;1424913277;trinque;nvm
1033853;1424913287;ben_vulpes;give up
1033854;1424913291;ben_vulpes;put emacs on a remote host
1033855;1424913294;ben_vulpes;x11 tunnel
1033856;1424913297;ben_vulpes;be stupid like me
1033857;1424913322;trinque;:(
1033858;1424913332;trinque;right now I'm just weechatting in a tmux+mosh
1033859;1424913351;trinque;unix philosophy is dead
1033860;1424913356;trinque;where is the simple bouncer
1033861;1424913388;trinque;heh! https://github.com/nicferrier/shoes-off
1033862;1424913389;assbot;nicferrier/shoes-off · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1Becqbe )
1033863;1424913409;trinque;would hilariously not remove remote emacs from your current setup
1033864;1424913470;thestringpuller;asciilifeform: re: hungry arrow keys << VIM i rarely use arrow keys...
1033865;1424913559;ben_vulpes;thestringpuller: re tmux etc like alf, i pretty much refuse to work in a terminal
1033866;1424913575;ben_vulpes;it's good for the things for which it is good
1033867;1424913580;ben_vulpes;but for other things, it is not.
1033868;1424913582;ben_vulpes;htop - good
1033869;1424913584;ben_vulpes;emacs - not.
1033870;1424913590;thestringpuller;trinque: weechat interesting. i use irssi.
1033871;1424913609;ben_vulpes;for instance, i hate weechat and irssi.
1033872;1424913620;thestringpuller;ben_vulpes: i used to belive this but I don't like using mice. I find the use of a mouse kills my wrist.
1033873;1424913632;ben_vulpes;cutting and pasting etc must fit within emacs text manipulation paradigms.
1033874;1424913638;ben_vulpes;thestringpuller: who said anything about mice?
1033875;1424913639;thestringpuller;this is also why I hate IDE's that have "buttons"
1033876;1424913643;ben_vulpes;i never take my hands off the keyboard.
1033877;1424913649;ben_vulpes;do you take me for a menu-traverser?
1033878;1424913653;thestringpuller;what is your stack?
1033879;1424913658;thestringpuller;^- ben_vulpes
1033880;1424913690;trinque;thestringpuller: weechat's kind of butt, just less butt than other things I've used
1033881;1424913718;thestringpuller;trinque: ah. the only client i've used is mirc, and as I just told ben_vulpes i hate mice.
1033882;1424913732;trinque;what mouse?
1033883;1424913742;ben_vulpes;thestringpuller: stack?
1033884;1424913750;trinque;shit I even vimperator
1033885;1424913780;thestringpuller;thestringpuller: like what OS, browser, text editor do you use on your local that you don't have to use a mouse to navigate?
1033886;1424913798;ben_vulpes;fine, you got me. not "never", but only under duress.
1033887;1424913808;ben_vulpes;and progressively less as i sharpen my sword/till my garden.
1033888;1424913821;thestringpuller;i'm trying to figure out your workflow I guess.
1033889;1424913825;ben_vulpes;os x
1033890;1424913829;thestringpuller;i've onyl been able to really accomplish that in terminal
1033891;1424913829;ben_vulpes;emacs in x11
1033892;1424913840;trinque;he's dialing in keywords on xkeyscore so he can find you
1033893;1424913844;thestringpuller;oh so emacs does all the lifting as you said earlier
1033894;1424913854;ben_vulpes;that is the point of using emacs.
1033895;1424913870;ben_vulpes;text editor, debugger, grep wrapper, vcs wrapper, irc client...
1033896;1424913889;ben_vulpes;tags browser...
1033897;1424913897;ben_vulpes;granted, nothing that vim doesn't do (poorly)
1033898;1424913898;thestringpuller;i really prefer a shell...
1033899;1424913908;thestringpuller;alright them is fighting words
1033900;1424913939;thestringpuller;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Editor_war << hah
1033901;1424913947;ben_vulpes;i started with vim - i know somewhat whereof i speak.
1033902;1424914061;thestringpuller;i don't use VIM outside text editing so I don't know the capacicty to which it is customizable
1033903;1424914093;thestringpuller;i also don't use emacs but when trying to learn, it really really really made me want toss my computer out a window
1033904;1424914101;trinque;thestringpuller: evil mode
1033905;1424914107;trinque;you'll be right at home
1033906;1424914153;thestringpuller;maybe, but also I don't know LISP ;)
1033907;1424914172;thestringpuller;it's on my bucket list
1033908;1424914176;trinque;sure you do; just don't realize it yet
1033909;1424914177;thestringpuller;along with starting a crime family with asciilifeform
1033910;1424914181;trinque;I bet you know python or something
1033911;1424914195;thestringpuller;yea I know python. and also slowly ruby
1033912;1424914202;thestringpuller;but the lispi-ness of it evades me for sure
1033913;1424914264;thestringpuller;i use procedural paradigm when using Python and Ruby tho...
1033914;1424914273;thestringpuller;altho ruby seems to punish you for it
1033915;1424914313;trinque;yeah, but your other languages have expressions
1033916;1424914331;trinque;just imagine everything's one of those, and there are no implicit orders of operation except up
1033917;1424914355;thestringpuller;trinque: lets have a LISP tutorial when I'm tripping instead of drunk ;)
1033918;1424914360;trinque;heh
1033919;1424914364;trinque;ask someone more experienced
1033920;1424914377;trinque;hacking my emacs and stumpwm configs have helped a great deal
1033921;1424915325;asciilifeform;jurov!!!
1033922;1424915333;asciilifeform;fucktarded turdatron ate another message of mine
1033923;1424915336;asciilifeform;80-column hard limit
1033924;1424915378;asciilifeform;lemme guess, non-latin1 chars not allowed.
1033925;1424915398;asciilifeform;and -no- i'm not interested in including it as a clickable attachment.
1033926;1424915403;asciilifeform;because that's retarded.
1033927;1424915421;thestringpuller;asciilifeform 's wrath bit flips on.
1033928;1424915479;asciilifeform;http://www.loper-os.org/pub/profound_retardation.txt
1033929;1424915537;asciilifeform;jurov: your thing is very seriously unusable imho
1033930;1424915623;asciilifeform; $ gpg --verify profound_retardation.txt
1033931;1424915623;asciilifeform;gpg: Signature made Wed Feb 25 20:47:07 2015 EST using RSA key ID 01ABFFC7
1033932;1424915623;asciilifeform;gpg: Good signature from "Stanislav Datskovskiy <stas@loper-os.org>"
1033933;1424915629;asciilifeform;so that's not the issue
1033934;1424915829;thestringpuller;!t m s.qntr
1033935;1424915837;assbot;[MPEX:S.QNTR] 1D: 0 / 0 / 0 (0 shares, 0 BTC), 7D: 0.0003 / 0.0003 / 0.0003 (100 shares, 0.03 BTC), 30D: 0.000175 / 0.00025046 / 0.0003 (50536 shares, 12.66 BTC)
1033936;1424916037;asciilifeform;^ i mean srsly, wtf am i supposed to do with that. the unprintable garbage is key to the message
1033937;1424916044;asciilifeform;it isn't unimportant in the least bit
1033938;1424916225;thestringpuller;good evening mircea_popescu
1033939;1424916614;asciilifeform;forgot to include the detail, in profound_retardation.txt, that the sandisk drive is a 60gb unit.
1033940;1424916637;asciilifeform;(yes, the capacity read by both u-boot and bsd is garbage, though deterministic garbage)
1033941;1424916686;asciilifeform;another data point - the 2.6.31.8 linux kernel originally shipped with 'pogo' had precisely the same behaviour
1033942;1424916688;asciilifeform;(unlike arch)
1033943;1424916724;asciilifeform;if i knew for a fact that the bug -only- triggers on 'sandisk' drives, it wouldn't be worth thinking about at all
1033944;1424916730;asciilifeform;but i cannot guarantee this.
1033945;1424916827;asciilifeform;!up decimation
1033946;1424916833;decimation;ty asciilifeform
1033947;1424916835;decimation;assbot's http interface appears to be down
1033948;1424916844;decimation;I suspect mircea_popescu is working on it
1033949;1424916865;asciilifeform;so -that's- where ddosbot went
1033950;1424916876;decimation;heh
1033951;1424916879;asciilifeform;!up mircea_popescu
1033952;1424916889;mircea_popescu;oddly assbot otps timeout
1033953;1424916891;mircea_popescu;am i the on;y one ?
1033954;1424916894;decimation;nope
1033955;1424916907;decimation;the otp url comes across, but the http interface is dead
1033956;1424916919;mike_c;kakobrekla, are you/assbot getting dos'd?
1033957;1424916920;decimation;possibly due to anti-ddos animatronics
1033958;1424916931;asciilifeform;'once is an accident, twice is enemy action'
1033959;1424916991;decimation;I first noted it around 0045 utc
1033960;1424917038;decimation;err 0145
1033961;1424917065;mircea_popescu;well i lost a main router somehow too. supposedly was a power outage downtown
1033962;1424917111;asciilifeform;today?
1033963;1424917112;mircea_popescu;decimation im not working on assbot, kako is
1033964;1424917118;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform earlier when i went down
1033965;1424917128;asciilifeform;and -lost- as in smoked?
1033966;1424917153;decimation;mircea_popescu: ah okay
1033967;1424917158;mircea_popescu;i dunno. ima have it looked into tomorro
1033968;1424917219;asciilifeform;perhaps just a routine ocelot-in-cableway incident
1033969;1424917240;decimation;or crocodile-in-toilet perhaps?
1033970;1424917252;mircea_popescu;myeah.
1033971;1424917292;*;asciilifeform imagines one day roto-rooting toilet and pulling up pieces of suit, briefcase...
1033972;1424917310;*;asciilifeform would prefer to live with alligators
1033973;1424917332;asciilifeform;(ceteris paribus)
1033974;1424917384;decimation;re: cosmonaut's gun: I thought it was for besting wild bears if the capsule lands in the urals
1033975;1424917398;asciilifeform;decimation: nah that one comes with >1 round
1033976;1424917403;asciilifeform;this is the other one
1033977;1424917406;decimation;heh
1033978;1424917476;decimation;!up nubbins`
1033979;1424917545;decimation; <nubbins`> probably unrelated but there's been a comms van w/ gov plates parked down the road from me for like a week
1033980;1424917548;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=25-02-2015#1033726 < i lollered.
1033981;1424917548;assbot;Logged on 25-02-2015 22:18:52; danielpbarron: Achievement unlocked: get blocked by 5 sc4mz0rz.
1033982;1424917804;thestringpuller;decimation: hmmm. sword axe time draws near.
1033983;1424917865;asciilifeform;except that gasenwagen doesn't have 'gasenwagen' painted on. it has, e.g., 'kaiser kaffee'
1033984;1424917870;decimation;maybe we can be in the same 'meat van' as asciilifeform when we are being taking the the sharashka
1033985;1424917890;decimation;nah it says 'meat'
1033986;1424917899;asciilifeform;'bread' more classically
1033987;1424917914;decimation;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=19-07-2014#761383 http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=19-07-2014#761384
1033988;1424917914;assbot;Logged on 19-07-2014 01:48:06; decimation: "Buffeting its load of tightly packed bodies, the gaily painted orange and blue truck drove on through the streets, passed a railway station and stopped at a crossroads. There, halted by a traffic-light, stood the dark-red car belonging to the Moscow correspondent of the Paris newspaper LIBERATION, on his way to a hockey match at the Dynamo Stadium. On the side of the van the correspondent read the words
1033989;1424917914;assbot;Logged on 19-07-2014 01:48:07; decimation: He remembered having seen several trucks like this today in various parts of Moscow. Taking out his notebook he wrote with his dark-red fountain pen: 'Now and again on the streets of Moscow you meet food delivery vans, clean, well-designed and hygienic. One must admit that the city's food supplies are admirably well organized.'"
1033990;1424917926;asciilifeform;http://1k43club.ru/upload/forum/ecbd3569e1ea8edcf5033d509b1c6d9c.jpg
1033991;1424917948;decimation;does that say 'bread'?
1033992;1424917951;asciilifeform;aha
1033993;1424918032;asciilifeform;http://karopka.ru/upload/iblock/280/photo_5_1389624339.jpeg << meat variant
1033994;1424918041;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=25-02-2015#1033766 o.O look at that.
1033995;1424918041;assbot;Logged on 25-02-2015 23:13:49; mike_c: insanity.  qntra bids are over 0.0003?  going to be the priciest share on mpex soon.
1033996;1424918078;mike_c;it's a bubble :)
1033997;1424918097;thestringpuller;mike_c: hard to distinguish buyer frenzy from investors paying for content.
1033998;1424918116;mike_c;i thought that a couple times, but then the bids kept going up.
1033999;1424918132;thestringpuller;well no one is really selling
1034000;1424918150;mike_c;right, but bids don't need to keep going up to incentivize writers
1034001;1424918199;mircea_popescu;i imagine it's just like bitcoin : not many shares, many people heard of it.
1034002;1424918229;thestringpuller;so people buying MPEx seats just to subsidize qntra?
1034003;1424918231;thestringpuller;doesn't make sense...
1034004;1424918232;mike_c;plus it hasn't tried to make money yet (with one tiny exception), so it's still hopes and dreams phase.
1034005;1424918255;thestringpuller;mike_c: i don't think it can make money yet. it's in egg phase. egg must hatch first.
1034006;1424918265;thestringpuller;right now qntra is competing for intelligent eyeballs
1034007;1424918283;mike_c;yeah, i agree it shouldn't be trying to monetize yet.  but that helps fuel investor optimism.
1034008;1424918323;thestringpuller;well given trilema is well monetized I wouldn't worry too much about qntra implementing a revenue stream in the future
1034009;1424918366;mike_c;trilema's monetization level doesn't support the current qntra share price to me.
1034010;1424918371;asciilifeform;http://cs315428.vk.me/v315428826/2342/vO1VSY-YbxY.jpg
1034011;1424918383;mircea_popescu;"Chief casualty is U.S. network equipment maker Cisco Systems Inc, which in 2012 counted 60 products on the Central Government Procurement Center's (CGPC) list, but by late 2014 had none, a Reuters analysis of official data shows."
1034012;1424918387;mircea_popescu;cisco is so fucking dead...
1034013;1424918389;decimation;lol what does it say asciilifeform
1034014;1424918401;mircea_popescu;and red hat is fucking next.
1034015;1424918402;asciilifeform;decimation: 'i'd press a bit'
1034016;1424918409;mike_c;holee shit.  60->0 is two years?
1034017;1424918416;thestringpuller;mike_c: qntra may very well outgrow trilema
1034018;1424918427;thestringpuller;mircea_popescu: trilema is 8 years old?
1034019;1424918431;mircea_popescu;mike_c cisco pretty much imploded once it became clear they're working for the usg against their customers.
1034020;1424918435;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: cisco dead << still crown-blessed, usg supply alone could feed it sov. factory style till the bitter end
1034021;1424918446;mircea_popescu;absolute texbook case on the dangers of "obeying the laws".
1034022;1424918480;mike_c;asciilifeform: problem is, that's not a growth story.
1034023;1424918493;decimation;http://justsecurity.org/20304/transcript-nsa-director-mike-rogers-vs-yahoo-encryption-doors/
1034024;1424918496;assbot;Transcript: NSA Director Mike Rogers vs. Yahoo! on Encryption Back Doors | Just Security
1034025;1424918496;mircea_popescu;^
1034026;1424918505;mircea_popescu;i'm happier with trilema's monetization than with cisco's soviet future.
1034027;1424918529;decimation;"AS: No, I think Bruce Schneier and Ed Felton and all of the best public cryptographers in the world would agree that you can’t really build backdoors in crypto. That it’s like drilling a hole in the windshield.
1034028;1424918530;decimation;MR: I’ve got a lot of world-class cryptographers at the National Security Agency." < MR is 'mike rogers', new director of nsa
1034029;1424918534;thestringpuller;mircea_popescu: I've been to several stores and they put the Cisco routers on the bottom with sign "Spookware" and Asus routers on the top shelves with "No Spookware"
1034030;1424918558;asciilifeform;thestringpuller: lol, goodcop/badcop
1034031;1424918568;asciilifeform;thestringpuller: as if 'nonspookware' is a thing in the store
1034032;1424918575;asciilifeform;or any store.
1034033;1424918589;thestringpuller;i kno! just funny how it is pop culture now.
1034034;1424918600;decimation;"AS: So you do believe then, that we should build those for other countries [Russia, China] if they pass laws? MR: I think we can work our way through this."
1034035;1424918623;mike_c;too bad mircea_popescu can't say what he thinks qntra share price is right.
1034036;1424918625;asciilifeform;=== 'planet is our banana plantation, shuddthefuckup'
1034037;1424918632;mike_c;probably not right for owner to pontificate on that too much.
1034038;1424918646;thestringpuller;asciilifeform: how does one procure a non-spookware router tho?
1034039;1424918649;asciilifeform;!up decimation
1034040;1424918659;asciilifeform;thestringpuller: using your hands
1034041;1424918670;thestringpuller;how so?
1034042;1424918680;thestringpuller;Care to elaborate? :P
1034043;1424918691;asciilifeform;thestringpuller: see log for one example
1034044;1424918696;mircea_popescu;mike_c how would i even know ?
1034045;1424918702;thestringpuller;!s router spookware
1034046;1424918704;assbot;0 results for 'router spookware' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=router+spookware
1034047;1424918709;decimation;that's a good point, usg cannot simultaneously  recognize another sovereign country and also say 'give legit rulers all ur bits'
1034048;1424918713;mike_c;you wouldn't know, you'd have an opinion
1034049;1424918718;thestringpuller;asciilifeform: any keywords you can give me? ;)
1034050;1424918734;asciilifeform;!s edgerouter
1034051;1424918734;assbot;10 results for 'edgerouter' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=edgerouter
1034052;1424918744;thestringpuller;thank you for that asciilifeform
1034053;1424918746;asciilifeform;^ experiment with building a fairly decent home router
1034054;1424918752;decimation;I use the edgerouter with built-in firmware, it definitely performs
1034055;1424918760;decimation;one day soon I will try to re-write with bsd
1034056;1424918834;mats;does anyone here actually expect qntra to pay for itself?
1034057;1424918855;thestringpuller;me
1034058;1424918858;asciilifeform;if you have external ssh open (why?) into the thing, keep in mind that recent versions of freebsd had diddled rng
1034059;1424918866;asciilifeform;(proven fact)
1034060;1424918870;asciilifeform;see log
1034061;1424918874;decimation;I don't see need for router to talk to outside world
1034062;1424918884;decimation;(other than through nat)
1034063;1424918911;mats;asciilifeform: iirc that was not a stable release
1034064;1424918934;asciilifeform;in freebsd world plenty of folks don't use -STABLE
1034065;1424919115;mats;and why is that
1034066;1424919117;asciilifeform;!up mircea_popescu
1034067;1424919135;mircea_popescu;mike_c well, i think on the mid term qntra has better earning perspectives than whatsapp.
1034068;1424919253;asciilifeform;'Because we have got to be willing as a nation to have a dialogue. This simplistic characterization of one-side-is-good and one-side-is-bad is a terrible place for us to be as a nation. We have got to come to grips with some really hard, fundamental questions. I�m watching risk and threat do this, while trust has done that. No matter what your view on the issue is [... snipped crapolade]'
1034069;1424919266;asciilifeform;!s teaching the controversy
1034070;1424919267;assbot;7 results for 'teaching the controversy' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=teaching+the+controversy
1034071;1424919286;decimation;the thing is, you need to learn to do what I say
1034072;1424919330;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-09-2014#827667 http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-09-2014#827668 http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-11-2014#926289 http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-11-2014#926290
1034073;1424919330;assbot;Logged on 12-09-2014 16:47:05; asciilifeform: once you've been 'taught the controversy' - that is, convincing that there -even is- reasonable debate among informed people, on a particular subject - the lie becomes a kind of half-truth, automagically
1034074;1424919330;assbot;Logged on 12-09-2014 16:47:19; asciilifeform: because suddenly, there is (or you think there is) a debate. with 'sides.'
1034075;1424919330;assbot;Logged on 17-11-2014 04:48:53; asciilifeform: what's more, this follows inescapably from any situation, anywhere, where someone gets to 'score nonzero points' merely for showing up.
1034076;1424919330;assbot;Logged on 17-11-2014 04:49:54; asciilifeform: all you have to do, then, is to pile on the meat puppets, until suddenly there is a 'controversy', and there are 'points of view', and eventually - a 'consensus.'
1034077;1424919357;decimation;'one point of view is that usg should have all ur bits'
1034078;1424919374;mircea_popescu;"we must pull together" is the age old statist refrain.
1034079;1424919390;decimation;things are getting better comrades
1034080;1424919393;mircea_popescu;sure, we'll pull together : come swear fealty to me. bring me your daughters, let me name the head of each usg agency
1034081;1424919399;mircea_popescu;then we'll pull together just fine.
1034082;1424919423;mircea_popescu;obv, not exactly what's being contemplated with the "pull together" talk
1034083;1424919433;decimation;"MR: I think we can work our way through this."
1034084;1424919441;thestringpuller;mircea_popescu: who would you name head of CIA?
1034085;1424919473;mircea_popescu;danielpbarron
1034086;1424919480;danielpbarron;ya?
1034087;1424919487;mircea_popescu;sure, why not.
1034088;1424919509;asciilifeform;l0l 'fantasy usg'
1034089;1424919514;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo ^
1034090;1424919517;mircea_popescu;"pull together" usg.
1034091;1424919517;danielpbarron;oh i thought you were asking if i was here; didn't realize i just got nominated to run the .. CIA!?
1034092;1424919525;mircea_popescu;sure. have fun.
1034093;1424919592;danielpbarron;i will not spare the whip.
1034094;1424920156;mircea_popescu;britni's back.
1034095;1424920249;asciilifeform;but who molested her
1034096;1424920300;mircea_popescu;https://bitbet.us/bet/786/bitcoin-to-surpass-berkshire-as-an-investment/#c4617
1034097;1424920301;assbot;BitBet - Bitcoin to surpass Berkshire as an investment :: 1121.15 B (20%) on Yes, 4393.47 B (80%) on No | closed 1 week 4 days ago ... ( http://bit.ly/1DcnimO )
1034098;1424920309;mircea_popescu;"i don't remember seeing before the parts i don't like seeing today"
1034099;1424920410;*;asciilifeform missed the gigantic 'no' bets after september's series
1034100;1424920438;thestringpuller;lol bitbet is loading real slow today
1034101;1424920463;mircea_popescu;in other news, http://40.media.tumblr.com/ecdea68078cfd3012de4b5bcda14f134/tumblr_mf6t4ill071rytnogo1_1280.jpg
1034102;1424920465;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1DcnEtF )
1034103;1424920480;asciilifeform;!up decimation
1034104;1424920530;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: l0l!!!
1034105;1424920596;TheNewDeal;;;bids 216.9
1034106;1424920597;gribble;Bitstamp | There are currently 4213.9171 bitcoins demanded at or over 216.9 USD, worth 952292.397478 USD in total. | Data vintage: 0.0219 seconds
1034107;1424920676;trinque;mircea_popescu: nice jurassic park poster
1034108;1424920706;cazalla;trinque, lulz i just thought that
1034109;1424920714;cazalla;"oh, jurassic park"
1034110;1424920764;cazalla;is the other one the little mermaid?
1034111;1424920774;mircea_popescu;lol
1034112;1424921283;decimation;asciilifeform: http://www.sciencebasedmedicine.org/psychology-journal-bans-significance-testing/ < teaching the statistics 'controversy'
1034113;1424921284;assbot;Psychology Journal Bans Significance Testing «  Science-Based Medicine ... ( http://bit.ly/1DcpHO9 )
1034114;1424921305;decimation;'nobody understands what p-values mean so let's ban them'
1034115;1424921324;asciilifeform;lulzies
1034116;1424921333;asciilifeform;who the fuck even cares what these clowns do now.
1034117;1424921348;asciilifeform;let them stand on head, crap in own mouth
1034118;1424921372;decimation;surprisingly when left to their own devices they choose... more clownishness
1034119;1424921478;decimation;related: http://www.slate.com/articles/life/education/2015/02/university_hiring_if_you_didn_t_get_your_ph_d_at_an_elite_university_good.html?wpsrc=fol_fb < The data revealed that just a quarter of all universities account for 71 to 86 percent of all tenure-track faculty in the U.S. and Canada in these three fields. Just 18 elite universities produce half of all computer science professors, 16 schools produce half of all business
1034120;1424921480;assbot;University hiring: If you didn't get your Ph.D. at an elite university, good luck finding an academic job. ... ( http://bit.ly/1DXSDPi )
1034121;1424921480;decimation;professors, and eight schools account for half of all history professors.
1034122;1424921859;decimation;http://tgeonetta.com/cost-of-living-vs-salary-best-cities-for-software-developers-and-engineers/ < heh.  apparently programmers in the new york 'profit' about $16k per year
1034123;1424921860;assbot;Cost of Living vs Salary – Best Cities for Software Developers and Engineers | Tyler Geonetta ... ( http://bit.ly/1DXTMqh )
1034124;1424921899;decimation;with that, good night
1034125;1424921901;asciilifeform;probably skewed by handful of 'quants'
1034126;1424922057;thestringpuller;asciilifeform: i just learned the gasenwagen was invented by the russians
1034127;1424922073;asciilifeform;according to one version, there was a ru wagen in the '30s
1034128;1424922105;thestringpuller;The gas van was invented in the Soviet Union in 1936, by Isay Berg, the head of the administrative and economic department of the NKVD of Moscow Oblast which suffocated batches of prisoners with engine fumes in a camouflaged bread van while on the drive out to the mass graves at Butovo, where the prisoners were subsequently buried.
1034129;1424922139;asciilifeform;iirc ^ was a bit of a 'ufo', based on hearsay
1034130;1424922267;thestringpuller;The gas van was invented in the Soviet Union in 1936, by Isay Berg, the head of the administrative and economic department of the NKVD of Moscow Oblast which suffocated batches of prisoners with engine fumes in a camouflaged bread van while on the drive out to the mass graves at Butovo, where the prisoners were subsequently buried.
1034131;1424922272;thestringpuller;OOPS
1034132;1424922288;thestringpuller;"A converted 24-seat bus, the execution van keeps the appearance of a normal police van on the outside with no markings indicating its purpose. The rear of the vehicle houses a windowless chamber where the execution takes place. Several cameras are present and feed closed-circuit televisions in the front of the van; a recording can be made if desired. The bed itself slides out of the wall under its own power, on which the convi
1034133;1424922313;asciilifeform;^ chinese injection bus
1034134;1424922327;*;danielpbarron didn't realize the wagon itself did the gassing
1034135;1424922337;asciilifeform;danielpbarron: in the german variant
1034136;1424922338;danielpbarron;i thought it was like the trains that took people to the camps
1034137;1424922361;*;thestringpuller wonders when US will have their version.
1034138;1424922487;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26300 @ 0.00041298 = 10.8614 BTC [+] {3} 
1034139;1424924407;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=26-02-2015#1034069 >> http://38.media.tumblr.com/8549e983b82f586a7b5211530c13aa25/tumblr_mw2l1tYpSl1ra163eo7_250.gif
1034140;1424924407;assbot;Logged on 26-02-2015 02:54:26; asciilifeform: !s teaching the controversy
1034141;1424924408;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1DVtIdS )
1034142;1424924623;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21346 @ 0.00042119 = 8.9907 BTC [+]
1034143;1424925354;thestringpuller;i have no idea what is going on in that gif
1034144;1424925904;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 83950 @ 0.00041015 = 34.4321 BTC [-]
1034145;1424927379;asciilifeform;http://38.media.tumblr.com/8549e983b82f586a7b5211530c13aa25/tumblr_mw2l1tYpSl1ra163eo7_250.gif << arse-mouth system (tm) !!
1034146;1424927381;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1ESkJc2 )
1034147;1424930601;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20210 @ 0.00040984 = 8.2829 BTC [-] {2} 
1034148;1424930723;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3369 @ 0.00040926 = 1.3788 BTC [-]
1034149;1424930784;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 55249 @ 0.00040721 = 22.4979 BTC [-] {2} 
1034150;1424931516;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 36765 @ 0.00041151 = 15.1292 BTC [+] {2} 
1034151;1424931577;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 37989 @ 0.00040663 = 15.4475 BTC [-]
1034152;1424931760;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16183 @ 0.00040612 = 6.5722 BTC [-] {2} 
1034153;1424931821;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 91241 @ 0.00040372 = 36.8358 BTC [-]
1034154;1424932309;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 234259 @ 0.00040369 = 94.568 BTC [-] {2} 
1034155;1424932492;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 68244 @ 0.0003993 = 27.2498 BTC [-] {3} 
1034156;1424934610;thestringpuller;;;market buy 100000
1034157;1424934611;gribble;Bitstamp | This order would exceed the size of the order book. You would buy 12464.151 bitcoins, for a total of 5694585.6424 USD and take the price to 99999.0000. | Data vintage: 0.0216 seconds
1034158;1424938348;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 44933 @ 0.00039836 = 17.8995 BTC [-] {2} 
1034159;1424938697;pete_dushenski;;;later tell cazalla let's see if this works for qntra submission: https://dpaste.de/8vo7/raw
1034160;1424938698;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1vB3rju )
1034161;1424938698;gribble;The operation succeeded.
1034162;1424938716;pete_dushenski;;;later tell BingoBoingo samesies: https://dpaste.de/8vo7/raw
1034163;1424938716;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1vB3snL )
1034164;1424938716;gribble;The operation succeeded.
1034165;1424939296;kakobrekla;!rate assbot 1 test
1034166;1424939296;assbot;Request successful, get your OTP: http://w.b-a.link/otp/76d080d7695378d3
1034167;1424939306;kakobrekla;seems to work?
1034168;1424939493;cazalla;;;later tell pete_dushenski works fine!
1034169;1424939494;gribble;The operation succeeded.
1034170;1424939576;cazalla;;;later tell mircea_popescu Bitcoin is not your toy, OK! http://qntra.net/2015/01/the-hard-fork-missile-crisis/#comment-11703
1034171;1424939577;assbot;The Hard Fork Missile Crisis | Qntra.net ... ( http://bit.ly/1vB5vIe )
1034172;1424939577;gribble;The operation succeeded.
1034173;1424940239;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33150 @ 0.00039485 = 13.0893 BTC [-] {2} 
1034174;1424941032;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 64582 @ 0.00039383 = 25.4343 BTC [-]
1034175;1424942556;BingoBoingo;That was some good sleep
1034176;1424942580;cazalla;http://dailycaller.com/2015/02/25/citing-stigma-the-university-of-minnesota-removes-race-descriptions-in-crime-alerts/
1034177;1424942581;assbot;U. Of Minnesota Removes Race Descriptions In Crime Alerts | The Daily Caller ... ( http://bit.ly/1Auy9eD )
1034178;1424942612;cazalla;BingoBoingo, how many hours?
1034179;1424942635;BingoBoingo;cazalla: A solid 9-10
1034180;1424942663;BingoBoingo;lots of vivid, memorable REM phases
1034181;1424942664;cazalla;ah, the life of a qntra writer/bachelor!
1034182;1424942683;cazalla;i've had 2 nights straight of dreams where people get hit by trains
1034183;1424943013;BingoBoingo;There were mazes, girls, low speed chases, shootouts, and orgies of celebration... Basically I dream in action movies
1034184;1424943038;cazalla;i love those ones
1034185;1424943134;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: thank you for nominating me to tae Patraeus's chair at central Intelligence
1034186;1424943204;BingoBoingo;I'd basically be doing what, loading trucks with office supplies and busses headed to the Uranium mines?
1034187;1424944448;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 51350 @ 0.00039383 = 20.2232 BTC [-]
1034188;1424944539;kakobrekla;http://img-9gag-ftw.9cache.com/photo/aArDBM2_460sv.mp4
1034189;1424944540;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1BySkdJ )
1034190;1424944699;BingoBoingo;Nice one
1034191;1424944775;trinque;https://blockchain.info/address/1BkCTj36DMdcF8TVa1by9zfwdcMFm3VAES << deedin'
1034192;1424944777;assbot;Bitcoin Address 1BkCTj36DMdcF8TVa1by9zfwdcMFm3VAES ... ( http://bit.ly/1Dt7rTi )
1034193;1424946153;punkman;BingoBoingo: There were mazes, girls, low speed chases, shootouts, and orgies of celebration... Basically I dream in action movies << why is maze/chase/shootout such a common theme? always comes up when discussing dreams
1034194;1424946270;BingoBoingo;punkman: I dunno really. In this one chase followed having fun in the maze with the girl and started when girl began throwing rocks at the police from the maze
1034195;1424946503;trinque;punkman: seems like they're for simulating situations that'd be riskier to learn from in the real world
1034196;1424946532;trinque;fucking drunks brawling outside...
1034197;1424946549;trinque;not a good fight either; I think the one winning is crying
1034198;1424946555;BingoBoingo;trinque> fucking drunks brawling outside... << It's nature, let it happen
1034199;1424946570;trinque;I went outside and watched a bit, but it was pitiful
1034200;1424946579;trinque;crack may have played a factor
1034201;1424947002;BingoBoingo;That might make it more pitiful
1034202;1424947739;punkman;trinque, last time that happened I threw bucket of water on the loudest ass
1034203;1424947827;trinque;mircea_popescu: hello there. https://blockchain.info/address/1BkCTj36DMdcF8TVa1by9zfwdcMFm3VAES
1034204;1424947829;assbot;Bitcoin Address 1BkCTj36DMdcF8TVa1by9zfwdcMFm3VAES ... ( http://bit.ly/1FwwogC )
1034205;1424947836;mircea_popescu;cazalla you know there's a word for this, among people who shovel this particular sort of elephant shit for a living (mostly, clinical psychiatrist)
1034206;1424947850;mircea_popescu;not sure what it is in english, tho im sure it must exist. perhaps something like "shamanistic narrative".
1034207;1424947875;mircea_popescu;basically, the story the 13 yo mutters to herself under her breath to replace unwelcome reality.
1034208;1424947891;mircea_popescu;trinque hey. wassat ?
1034209;1424947896;trinque;some deedin
1034210;1424947906;mircea_popescu;o cool!
1034211;1424947907;mircea_popescu;website ?
1034212;1424947907;trinque;finishing the upload guy
1034213;1424947914;trinque;deedbot.org is where it will be shortly
1034214;1424947918;mircea_popescu;coolness.
1034215;1424947959;mircea_popescu;brb writing some about when i was young.
1034216;1424947963;trinque;this experience will have me lobbying harder for sqlite in the foundation's client in the future
1034217;1424947966;trinque;mircea_popescu: k
1034218;1424948132;*;BingoBoingo thinks key/value store in "bitcoind -base" prolly fine fancier databases prolly belong in "bitcoind -bchainindexer" when the functionality gets atomized, but take opinion here with hefty pile of salt
1034219;1424948178;trinque;BingoBoingo: it's worth thinking about for a long time, for sure
1034220;1424948245;trinque;though if the goal is a perfect client, I think a real database offers helpful tools
1034221;1424948283;trinque;perfect meaning the data is *never* munged
1034222;1424948584;trinque;getting utxos, right? that's left-join-where-null between the outputs table and the inputs table
1034223;1424948666;trinque;seems like what you want is something where you can express the logic of bitcoin clearly, look at it, and say yup, that is bitcoin
1034224;1424948849;punkman;sqlite would be an order of magnitude more reliable than bdb/leveldb
1034225;1424948901;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16970 @ 0.00042097 = 7.1439 BTC [+] {2} 
1034226;1424948962;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14278 @ 0.00042119 = 6.0138 BTC [+]
1034227;1424949023;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9302 @ 0.00042444 = 3.9481 BTC [+] {2} 
1034228;1424951876;mircea_popescu;digging through trilema (fuck it, i can't find an article hot damn) i found a 2011 pick-up guide. http://trilema.com/2011/cum-ne-imprietenim-heterosexual/
1034229;1424951877;assbot;Cum ne imprietenim heterosexual pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.  ... ( http://bit.ly/1vBB9Wa )
1034230;1424951880;mircea_popescu;it's pretty great.
1034231;1424952012;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22050 @ 0.00040266 = 8.8787 BTC [-]
1034232;1424952280;danielpbarron;height=229694 vs height=193386
1034233;1424952317;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29100 @ 0.00040266 = 11.7174 BTC [-]
1034234;1424952432;jurov;asciilifeform, it was actually accepted and distributed but not archived :/
1034235;1424952632;jurov;no actually it is: http://ml.therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2015-February/000051.html
1034236;1424954400;trinque;http://deedbot.org/ << there be deeds
1034237;1424954401;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1JQ3pe0 )
1034238;1424954410;trinque;at least test ones
1034239;1424954441;trinque;everything works; tomorrow I'll go over the thing looking for derps, then park it in here for actual use
1034240;1424954574;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20377 @ 0.00039899 = 8.1302 BTC [-] {2} 
1034241;1424954635;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 36166 @ 0.00039299 = 14.2129 BTC [-]
1034242;1424955268;mats;"The combined effect of those separation costs and the hit from the strong dollar will almost halve HP's free cash flow this fiscal year to about $3.5 billion to $4 billion, down from three months ago when it forecast $6.5 billion to $7 billion."
1034243;1424955296;mats;yowch
1034244;1424955620;thestringpuller;they still make a good printer
1034245;1424955672;thestringpuller;jurov: i can't get to that page. "page not available"
1034246;1424955686;thestringpuller;!up nubbins` hello there good sir
1034247;1424955701;nubbins`;ty
1034248;1424955711;nubbins`;assbot otp down
1034249;1424955721;nubbins`;hp may make a good printer, but epson makes a better one
1034250;1424955753;nubbins`;for that matter, Brother laser machines are pretty sweet too
1034251;1424955998;kakobrekla;!rate assbot 1 test
1034252;1424955998;assbot;Request successful, get your OTP: http://w.b-a.link/otp/b6b4537ebb68f02c
1034253;1424956007;kakobrekla;works here ?
1034254;1424956056;kakobrekla;anyone cant see that url ?
1034255;1424956150;trinque;kakobrekla: works
1034256;1424957138;jurov;http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2015-February/000051.html damn i meant this thestringpuller
1034257;1424957138;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1BzQvwZ )
1034258;1424957187;jurov;and http://w.b-a.link/otp/b6b4537ebb68f02c says "Bad request, could not find the requested OTP."
1034259;1424957188;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1BzQKIy )
1034260;1424957374;danielpbarron;it expired, probably
1034261;1424957388;danielpbarron;it worked for me 25 minutes ago
1034262;1424958085;BingoBoingo;!up nubbins`
1034263;1424958722;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 91150 @ 0.00040397 = 36.8219 BTC [+]
1034264;1424959437;chetty;http://www.theguardian.com/science/2015/jan/18/modern-world-bad-for-brain-daniel-j-levitin-organized-mind-information-overload
1034265;1424959438;assbot;Why the modern world is bad for your brain | Science | The Guardian ... ( http://bit.ly/1LLQAPB )
1034266;1424959637;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31000 @ 0.00039732 = 12.3169 BTC [-]
1034267;1424962005;lobbes;"Now more people have mobile phones than have toilets. This has created an implicit expectation that you should be able to reach someone when it is convenient for you, regardless of whether it is convenient for them. This expectation is so ingrained that people in meetings routinely answer their mobile phones to say, “I’m sorry, I can’t talk now, I’m in a meeting.” Just a decade or two ago, those same people would h
1034268;1424962005;lobbes;ave let a landline on their desk go unanswered during a meeting, so different were the expectations for reachability." << Heh, I've seen people do this.. still strikes me as rude
1034269;1424962822;BingoBoingo;!up pete_dushenski
1034270;1424962827;BingoBoingo;!up PeterL
1034271;1424962848;pete_dushenski;thx bb!
1034272;1424962889;pete_dushenski;scoopbot -fetch
1034273;1424963100;pete_dushenski;“a politician who stays poor is poor at politics.” -hank gonzalez, mexican politician
1034274;1424963364;pete_dushenski;scoopbot -fetch
1034275;1424963392;fluffypony;"a poor person who stays poor is poor at money." - fluffy pony, equine
1034276;1424963404;pete_dushenski;"network effects anyone?! Early adopters are important people because ADOPTION!" << twitter dood derping at me about pgp adoption
1034277;1424963427;pete_dushenski;"because ADOPTION" is my new favourite slogan for redditards et al.
1034278;1424963439;pete_dushenski;fluffypony lol
1034279;1424963453;fluffypony;we should put pgp in the blockchain
1034280;1424963463;fluffypony;GPGChain
1034281;1424963474;fluffypony;powered by GPGCoin
1034282;1424963582;pete_dushenski;if only this were still 2013, y'know we might have a shot at fleecing some kids with that
1034283;1424963604;lobbes;hell, you probably still can on scamcointalk
1034284;1424963644;fluffypony;lol
1034285;1424963651;pete_dushenski;i would be... impressed if that were still so
1034286;1424963661;fluffypony;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Afl9WFGJE0M
1034287;1424963662;assbot;V for Varoufakis | NEO MAGAZIN ROYALE mit Jan Böhmermann - ZDFneo - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1FxEAgy )
1034288;1424964181;pete_dushenski;scoopbot: and don't come back until you sort out your differences with contravex!
1034289;1424964447;nubbins`;re: phones and expectations
1034290;1424964454;nubbins`;there's a really, really easy solution to this
1034291;1424964461;thestringpuller;pete_dushenski: still can't get scoopbot to announce contravex articles?
1034292;1424964475;nubbins`;turn off the ring and vibrate functions on your phone, and leave them off.
1034293;1424964486;nubbins`;suddenly, it doesn't run your life anymore
1034294;1424964488;pete_dushenski;thestringpuller still.
1034295;1424964506;PeterL;I figured out that python doesn't seem to like some of contravex's titles
1034296;1424964508;pete_dushenski;nubbins` lol i thought you were talking about the tracking device part for a sec
1034297;1424964516;nubbins`;heh nah
1034298;1424964535;pete_dushenski;http://qntra.net/2015/02/your-cellphone-is-a-tracking-device-that-relays-your-conversations-in-plaintext/
1034299;1424964535;assbot;Your Cellphone Is A Tracking Device That Relays Your Conversations In Plaintext | Qntra.net ... ( http://bit.ly/1FxJ46X )
1034300;1424964540;nubbins`;nothing says "i'm an annoying piece of shit" than an audible call/text noise
1034301;1424964543;chetty;<nubbins`> turn off the ring and vibrate functions on your phone, and leave them off.// most people just cant do that, already addicted
1034302;1424964548;PeterL;but scoopbot was not looking at the titles, so I am kinda at a loss as to why it doesn't like contravex
1034303;1424964550;thestringpuller;nubbins`: i do this with texts. No vibration no sound. Have to put it on ring profile for them to make a noise. But usually you start to check messages when you feel like it rather than compulsively.
1034304;1424964555;pete_dushenski;^i'm even reduced to scooping for qntra now.
1034305;1424964569;thestringpuller;chetty: information addiction is treatable tho
1034306;1424964579;nubbins`;chetty most people don't *want* to
1034307;1424964591;chetty;nubbins`, +++
1034308;1424964600;pete_dushenski;it's the lowest calorie addiciton going
1034309;1424964602;nubbins`;they're secretly pleased every time their phone dings in the presence of others
1034310;1424964611;pete_dushenski;you can't see your brain turning into a fat, slothful mess
1034311;1424964626;nubbins`;thestringpuller the "down side" is that for the first few weeks, people get snarky with you
1034312;1424964635;nubbins`;but after a few "yeah, i leave it on silent"s
1034313;1424964640;nubbins`;they adjust their expectations
1034314;1424964646;nubbins`;!up pete_dushenski PeterL
1034315;1424964651;nubbins`;!up PeterL
1034316;1424964659;pete_dushenski;ty
1034317;1424964676;thestringpuller;nubbins`: i find those who get snarky are the most addicted.
1034318;1424964702;nubbins`;"didn't you see my texts?!?!?!?! i texted you 8 times!!!!!"
1034319;1424964715;nubbins`;y'know, just in case the first 7 "ding!!!!"s were missed
1034320;1424964737;thestringpuller;nubbins`: one symptom of information addiction is "forgets to callback". People who check their phone compulsively will see a text or missed call and make note in working memory to get back with the person.
1034321;1424964752;nubbins`;and never do
1034322;1424964753;chetty;<<< power out day before yesterday, discovered I forgot to charge my phone, for oh about 2 weeks :)
1034323;1424964758;nubbins`;until they see em at the bar two weeks later
1034324;1424964762;nubbins`;"oh, dude, right"
1034325;1424964769;nubbins`;chetty :D
1034326;1424964779;mircea_popescu;<trinque> http://deedbot.org/ << there be deeds << cool. why are some repeated ?
1034327;1424964780;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1FxKnTa )
1034328;1424964783;thestringpuller;nubbins`: yes. very similar to symptoms of ADHD.
1034329;1424964787;nubbins`;we have no landline, so i try not to leave mine dead for more than a few hours at a time
1034330;1424964839;nubbins`;!up soypirate
1034331;1424964843;nubbins`;hola, pirate
1034332;1424964845;nubbins`;soy nubbins
1034333;1424964874;chetty;nubbins`, yeah got to admit I was a little annoyed with myself, no landline here either so no phone charged was kinda dumb
1034334;1424964881;mircea_popescu; This expectation is so ingrained that people in meetings routinely answer their mobile phones to say << maybe what has really changed is the expectation re meetings. just a decade or two ago, people would have expected meetings to serve a rational purpose and end with a result.
1034335;1424964889;mircea_popescu;neither is the case today, people just hang around.
1034336;1424964891;nubbins`;(incidentally, why does all the milk in the organic section loudly proclaim "I'M MILK!" in spanish?
1034337;1424964919;thestringpuller;mircea_popescu: this is very precise.
1034338;1424964919;mircea_popescu;pete_dushenski> "because ADOPTION" is my new favourite slogan for redditards et al. << orphans seeking adoption. nothing wrong with the picture.
1034339;1424964936;nubbins`;mircea_popescu i recall at one office job, my boss' boss' boss was getting a promotion, and so called all 120 programmers into a boardroom, 30 at a time, to explain about his new responsibilities but nothing will change for the rest of us
1034340;1424964946;mircea_popescu;right /
1034341;1424964948;nubbins`;guy stole 120 hours on the company. a month's work. when an email woulda done
1034342;1424964956;nubbins`;this is what meetings are
1034343;1424964958;mircea_popescu;so why wouldn't you answer the phone. it's more like a boring highschool class than a meeting.
1034344;1424964990;thestringpuller;mircea_popescu: people just hang around << i find this is because people lack focus during the meeting. You stay on topic until someone mentions something off topic. "Blah blah blha pink floyd" "Oh you like pink floyd?" 30 minutes later you realize you're still talking about a 70's rock band and not about that thing you're supposed to be meeting about.
1034345;1424964994;mircea_popescu;no he was being proactive and communicaty or whatchamacallit.
1034346;1424965004;nubbins`;yeah
1034347;1424965010;nubbins`;doing his due diligence on a go-forward basis
1034348;1424965015;mircea_popescu;thestringpuller lack of focus lack of schmokus. it's because they're impotent. they know they're impotent.
1034349;1424965019;mircea_popescu;what else to do ?
1034350;1424965028;nubbins`;mind you, this was the head of IT
1034351;1424965040;nubbins`;"how do i get my sound turned on?" head of IT
1034352;1424965050;*;nubbins` shudders at memory
1034353;1424965063;nubbins`;incidentally, last monday was my 2-year anniversary of retirement
1034354;1424965091;thestringpuller;mircea_popescu: what else to do ? << learn to concentrate better instead of being a fucking child?
1034355;1424965100;nubbins`;folks: "any regrets?"  me: "not doing it sooner"
1034356;1424965108;PeterL;get better co-workers?
1034357;1424965273;mircea_popescu;nubbins` turned on as in, sexually ?
1034358;1424965350;nubbins`;turned on, as in i wanna hear the angry birds smash the pigs
1034359;1424965417;nubbins`;it was at this job that i realized just because you work as a computer programmer, doesn't mean you know even the basics of what computers are and how they work
1034360;1424965448;nubbins`;"right-click and copy that"  "what?"
1034361;1424965462;nubbins`;"o.O"
1034362;1424965566;BingoBoingo;http://qntra.net/2015/02/gpg-criticism-reaches-new-low-as-use-cases-expand/
1034363;1424965567;assbot;GPG Criticism Reaches New Low As Use Cases Expand | Qntra.net ... ( http://bit.ly/1JQExCW )
1034364;1424965575;chetty;being clueless about the actual tech is what gets you the promotion
1034365;1424965668;pete_dushenski;nice write-up BingoBoingo !
1034366;1424965676;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 137950 @ 0.000404 = 55.7318 BTC [+] {3} 
1034367;1424965931;nubbins`;chetty plenty of amoebas floating around in the upper levels
1034368;1424965944;pete_dushenski;"The U.S. Department of the Treasury’s Bureau of the Fiscal Service (Fiscal Service) today announced that Pay.gov, the government’s secure web based collection portal for payments to federal agencies, now offers both PayPal and Dwolla as payment options." << from a few days ago.
1034369;1424965955;nubbins`;once an incompetent worker reaches a certain longevity, their dismissal is tacit admittance that they've been fooling everyone all along
1034370;1424965978;nubbins`;so rather than facing "yep, we've let this dead weight collect a cheque for 15 years"
1034371;1424965987;pete_dushenski;^"please don't use cash for anything ever because only bad people use cash"
1034372;1424965989;nubbins`;they just give 'em a different job in another department
1034373;1424966055;nubbins`;which, if it didn't accompany a pay raise, would engender the same line of questioning as a dismissal
1034374;1424966078;mircea_popescu;nubbins` pretty much has it.
1034375;1424966097;nubbins`;eventually they learn their way around enough that latecomers can easily be fooled into thinking that the variety speak is representative of skill, not imitation
1034376;1424966142;nubbins`;"who, alex? he's been here longer than i have! knows the place inside out!"
1034377;1424966149;nubbins`;but all of alex's projects are always fucked up and late
1034378;1424966183;nubbins`;usually due to "external factors" or "changing requirements"
1034379;1424966221;mircea_popescu;the problem essentially is that specialist groups do need a variety talk, however "politeness" combined with that results into a lot of nooks and crannies where alex can hide.
1034380;1424966230;nubbins`;absolutely
1034381;1424966231;mircea_popescu;it's not coincidental that all successful specialist groups are irreverent.
1034382;1424966250;nubbins`;when a large, once-profitable company suddenly goes belly-up or massively scales back, you can expect to find a high percentage of alexes on the payroll
1034383;1424966284;mircea_popescu;you can also expect to find the last time someone made fart jokes publicly @ the expense of people present buried under at least a decade of history.
1034384;1424966299;nubbins`;bahahahaha.
1034385;1424966474;nubbins`;incidentally, you could go on a meaty tangent about public employees right about here
1034386;1424966479;nubbins`;i'm gonna abstain
1034387;1424966533;mircea_popescu;lol wut ? abstinence only sex ed ?
1034388;1424966563;thestringpuller;!up pete_dushenski
1034389;1424966603;pete_dushenski;ty!
1034390;1424966728;pete_dushenski;;;ticker
1034391;1424966730;gribble;Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 236.89, Best ask: 236.99, Bid-ask spread: 0.10000, Last trade: 236.99, 24 hour volume: 5556.79789999, 24 hour low: 234.01, 24 hour high: 239.31, 24 hour vwap: 236.80126748
1034392;1424966733;nubbins`;mp ok i'm gonna pull out, then
1034393;1424966736;nubbins`;how bout that?
1034394;1424966807;mircea_popescu;!up ga
1034395;1424966816;mircea_popescu;nubbins` lol winner.
1034396;1424966830;nubbins`;:D
1034397;1424966947;lobbes;re: meetings << Even when they are on-topic, they are rarely organized. I've actually overheard someone in a phone meeting: "we're having a lack of communication about x, I think we should have a meeting on it"
1034398;1424967349;[]bot;Bet placed: 11 BTC for No on "Gold to drop under $1000 before April 2015" http://bitbet.us/bet/1119/ Odds: 5(Y):95(N) by coin, 6(Y):94(N) by weight. Total bet: 36.4954 BTC. Current weight: 66,312.
1034399;1424967395;lobbes;pete_dushenski: yeah, I received an email from Dwolla the other day about them partnering with usg.. made me happy I never did any transactions with them.
1034400;1424967459;pete_dushenski;ya whatever happened to dwolla anyways ?
1034401;1424967478;pete_dushenski;vis-a-vis bitcoin...
1034402;1424967485;lobbes;good question
1034403;1424967486;pete_dushenski;were they just a mt gox thing ?
1034404;1424967556;mike_c;they were briefly the best way to get usd to mt gox, i don't think they've done anything since.
1034405;1424967723;mircea_popescu;the usdwolla thing is not news in any sense anyway.
1034406;1424968213;danielpbarron;http://danielpbarron.com/pogo/howto.txt  << if anyone wants to make an "adult" pogo, i have some instructions documented here
1034407;1424968214;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1DWH0qn )
1034408;1424968319;asciilifeform;danielpbarron: neato. could use some asciiart
1034409;1424968346;danielpbarron;what kind? you mean diagrams? or just a fancy header?
1034410;1424968366;asciilifeform;diagram
1034411;1424968384;danielpbarron;hrm.. i'll see what i can come up with (warning, might be ugly!)
1034412;1424968413;danielpbarron;in the meantime i reference .jpeg images of the most important things to see
1034413;1424968427;asciilifeform;emacs 'artist-mode' helps
1034414;1424968497;asciilifeform;jurov: any idea why turdatron hiccupped the way it did? curious thing
1034415;1424968523;asciilifeform;and yes, it seems to show now, http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2015-February/000051.html
1034416;1424968524;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1DWHDjK )
1034417;1424968617;mircea_popescu; When I say, "Read the source," I mean, read Satoshi.
1034418;1424968624;mircea_popescu;ahahaha epic,
1034419;1424968625;asciilifeform;waiwat
1034420;1424968630;danielpbarron;I have never seen, let alone used, emacs
1034421;1424968676;asciilifeform;danielpbarron: fortunately, should you wish to see emacs, there is no need to cross the equator and make your way through the jaguars to the ocelots
1034422;1424968708;danielpbarron;:D
1034423;1424968822;asciilifeform;'I've never sailed the Amazon, /  And I've never reached Brazil; / But the Don and Magdelana, / They can go there when they will!'
1034424;1424969358;BingoBoingo;http://miamiherald.typepad.com/fish_bytes/2015/02/check-out-stantons-helmet.html
1034425;1424969359;assbot;Check Out Stanton's Strange New Helmet | Fish Bytes ... ( http://bit.ly/1DWJlla )
1034426;1424969917;pete_dushenski;http://www.contravex.com/2015/02/26/the-slaughtering-of-a-bull/
1034427;1424969918;assbot;The slaughtering of a bull. | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski ... ( http://bit.ly/1DWKwB4 )
1034428;1424969934;pete_dushenski;^so much for my 'free health club membership'
1034429;1424969967;pete_dushenski;dat waterfall played spoiler on my bullish cockiness
1034430;1424970121;trinque;+mircea_popescu | <trinque> http://deedbot.org/ << there be deeds << cool. why are some repeated ? << test values; I published bundles with the same messages a few times while working
1034431;1424970122;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/17BiWNl )
1034432;1424970129;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 56500 @ 0.00039696 = 22.4282 BTC [-]
1034433;1424970158;trinque;I'll clear out what's currently uploaded when I have deedbot join
1034434;1424970171;*;trinque goes back to sleep
1034435;1424970216;pete_dushenski;danielpbarron nice work on the adult pogo guide!
1034436;1424970261;*;pete_dushenski wonders if he'll ever be an adult by this measure
1034437;1424970293;BingoBoingo;danielpbarron: Congrats on setting yourself up to meet "Artist Mode"
1034438;1424970299;pete_dushenski;random lady on twitter: "Pete I had money taken out of my bitcoin wallet (block chain) on 2014-09-16 Can you tell me where to go for help?"
1034439;1424970309;pete_dushenski;me: "Help? What help? This is Bitcoin."
1034440;1424970462;mike_c;pete_dushenski: kudos for posting the follow up on that :)
1034441;1424970492;mike_c;I was wondering how that ended up.
1034442;1424970558;*;BingoBoingo was expecting it last month, Waterfall wasn't as strong as my gut feared.
1034443;1424970589;mike_c;omg that dilbert cartoon :D  where's my favorite TA when i need him
1034444;1424970597;mike_c;;;seen thickasthieves
1034445;1424970597;gribble;thickasthieves was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 16 weeks, 3 days, 1 hour, 53 minutes, and 17 seconds ago: <ThickAsThieves> but you da boss
1034446;1424970626;mike_c;"you should buy a stock whenver the chart looks like a squirrel sitting on a clown's shoulder"
1034447;1424970678;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27718 @ 0.00039696 = 11.0029 BTC [-]
1034448;1424970832;pete_dushenski;mike_c lol my pleasure :D
1034449;1424970887;pete_dushenski;dilbert's been on a roll with this pointy-haired investment advice series
1034450;1424971146;mats;http://www.monbiot.com/2011/10/31/wealth-destroyers
1034451;1424971147;assbot;Wealth Destroyers | George Monbiot ... ( http://bit.ly/17Bkua1 )
1034452;1424971265;pete_dushenski;where have i seen monbiot's name before ?
1034453;1424971269;pete_dushenski;!s monbiot
1034454;1424971270;assbot;0 results for 'monbiot' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=monbiot
1034455;1424971287;mats;do you read the guardian often?
1034456;1424971308;mats;http://www.theguardian.com/environment/georgemonbiot/2015/jan/23/community-energy-companies-big-six-big-society
1034457;1424971310;assbot;With this attack on community energy the 'big six' win out over big society | George Monbiot | Environment | The Guardian ... ( http://bit.ly/1DWNrK9 )
1034458;1424971349;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 70900 @ 0.00039653 = 28.114 BTC [-] {2} 
1034459;1424971389;mats;http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/mar/03/rich-landowners-farmers-welfare-nfu-defra another good one
1034460;1424971390;assbot;The welfare dependants the government loves? Rich landowners | George Monbiot | Comment is free | The Guardian ... ( http://bit.ly/1DWNF41 )
1034461;1424971553;thestringpuller;so i'm on an All Hands call for the marketing department
1034462;1424971573;thestringpuller;if I was plaiyng the "take a shot when buzzword is used" drinking game
1034463;1424971577;thestringpuller;i'd be drunk by now
1034464;1424971606;fluffypony;cloud!
1034465;1424971655;lobbes;'x as a service'
1034466;1424971704;mircea_popescu;that cap agricultural benefits thing is uniquely misguided.
1034467;1424971753;mircea_popescu;"rich" does not mean what the poor imagine it means. the notion of running a farm on 26k subsidies a year... heh.
1034468;1424971805;mircea_popescu;here's the thing : just because inflation has made every pauper think he holds money doesn't change the fact that a farmer today is worth a hundred million just by simply maintaining equality with a farmer of relatively the same social importance back in 1615.
1034469;1424971919;BingoBoingo;Or they've surrendered in some cases to being a form of sharecropper. Depends on what and where they farm as well as how daddy ran the business
1034470;1424971929;mircea_popescu;james smith's farm fed five hundred people in 1615. these aren't "500 out of the total pop of 5mn" for the same reason discussed in the thread about "average life expectancy"
1034471;1424971938;mircea_popescu;most of those 5mn picked rags in london.
1034472;1424971988;mircea_popescu;keeping the same *proportions* that farm's easily running deficits of millions today, for the reasons explained in http://trilema.com/2013/the-corn-thing/
1034473;1424971989;assbot;The corn thing pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.  ... ( http://bit.ly/17BlGKJ )
1034474;1424972030;mircea_popescu;if the chem lobby seriously wants to strangle the pretty farm girl, that's one thing. but framing that discussion in terms of "rich" is about as helpful as proposing beer is better than wine because it bubbles.
1034475;1424972125;asciilifeform;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PNw95c75g7o << obligatory
1034476;1424972126;assbot;Eat recycled food for a happier healthier life ---  (Judge Dredd movie) -watch stoned - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1DWPii2 )
1034477;1424972248;BingoBoingo;http://www.themaschhoffs.com/about/who_we_are/ << Headquarts is large steel and glass building many miles from any place charitably labeled a "town" One farmer many sharecroppers http://www.bizjournals.com/stlouis/news/2014/07/28/the-maschhoffs-buys-2-indiana-pig-farms.html
1034478;1424972251;assbot;Who We Are - The Maschhoffs ... ( http://bit.ly/1DWPAWf )
1034479;1424972253;assbot;The Maschhoffs buys 2 Indiana pig farms - St. Louis Business Journal ... ( http://bit.ly/1DWPBt3 )
1034480;1424972307;pete_dushenski;asciilifeform -watch stoned << lol!
1034481;1424972446;thestringpuller;;;goog site:trilema.com in which you become corn
1034482;1424972447;gribble;Error: "goog" is not a valid command.
1034483;1424972450;thestringpuller;;;google site:trilema.com in which you become corn
1034484;1424972451;gribble;Wikileaks - MCLXII pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.: <http://trilema.com/wikileaks-mclxii>; How to enter Failville pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.: <http://trilema.com/how-to-enter-failville>; Wikileaks - MCCLVII pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.: <http://trilema.com/wikileaks-mcclvii>
1034485;1424972700;chetty;As promised, President Obama is using executive actions to impose gun control on the nation, targeting the top-selling rifle in the country, the AR-15 style semi-automatic, with a ban on one of the most-used AR bullets by sportsmen and target shooters.
1034486;1424972739;asciilifeform;chetty: link ?
1034487;1424972805;chetty;http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/article/2560750
1034488;1424972806;assbot;Obama to ban bullets by executive action, threatens top-selling AR-15 rifle | WashingtonExaminer.com ... ( http://bit.ly/1DWQXEg )
1034489;1424972878;BingoBoingo;Oh, now I'm syncing blocks from when I started sync'ing
1034490;1424972880;BingoBoingo;http://patriotpost.us/articles/33184
1034491;1424972881;assbot;ATF Aims to Ban Popular AR-15 Ammo — The Patriot Post ... ( http://bit.ly/1DWR7vt )
1034492;1424972908;BingoBoingo;"Comments period" ends March 16th
1034493;1424972984;thestringpuller;mircea_popescu: can't find the article which talks about kids in US being analagous to growing corn
1034494;1424972987;thestringpuller;circa 2013
1034495;1424972996;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25000 @ 0.00039299 = 9.8248 BTC [-]
1034496;1424973023;asciilifeform;'There is just one set of rules that are effective and widely deployed: those that enforce the destruction of the natural world. Buried in the cross-compliance regulations is a measure called GAEC 12. This insists that, to receive their money, farmers must prevent "unwanted vegetation" from growing on their land. (The rest of us call it wildlife habitat.) Even if their land is producing nothing, they must cut, graze or spray i
1034497;1424973023;asciilifeform;t with herbicides to get their money. Unlike soil erosion, compaction and pollution, breaches of this rule are easy to detect and enforce: if the inspectors see trees returning to the land, the subsidy can be cut off altogether.'
1034498;1424973025;BingoBoingo;"But M855 has well-documented shortcomings against soft targets (see Somalia, Iraq, etc.) The other common loading, M193, is more effective against soft targets. So the side effect of this ruling would be that more AR-15 owners would buy rounds that are more effective in the typical domestic shooting. The only people this rule change protects is the government, whose varmints wear Kevlar."
1034499;1424973231;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=17-02-2015#1022476
1034500;1424973231;assbot;Logged on 17-02-2015 18:26:21; asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: destroying the "industrial" paradigm << expand on this. recall also the thread where we discussed how pashtun blacksmiths can make kalash, yes they can, not not one of them can make a single 7.62x39 round from brass scrap
1034501;1424973250;mircea_popescu;thestringpuller http://trilema.com/2014/in-which-you-become-grain/
1034502;1424973251;assbot;In which you become grain pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.  ... ( http://bit.ly/1DWRV3q )
1034503;1424973257;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: Seems to be much like that
1034504;1424973262;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: it was clear to anyone who gives a fuck that usg would target ammunition, rather than small arms per se, when it 'gets serious'
1034505;1424973266;thestringpuller;grain not corn. thanks mircea_popescu
1034506;1424973293;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: it is possible, with current tech, to recycle shells in jungle conditions, but not to produce them, or primers, or bullet adequate for modern rifle
1034507;1424973358;BingoBoingo;"Reloading" cases fine, powders common... engineered primers and bullets far less so
1034508;1424973392;mircea_popescu;the "3d printed" guns were obviously going to push towards regulation of bullets.
1034509;1424973422;mircea_popescu;all these kids hoping that some sort of magical "tech" is going to get them into the girl's panties were very poorly parented. apparently nobody told them any of the numerous genie stories.
1034510;1424973432;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: for some odd reason, the plumping shop 'guns' popular since '50s - didn't
1034511;1424973437;mircea_popescu;"you don't refine your query, numbnuts. you BECOME the genie."
1034512;1424973441;BingoBoingo;More mundane calibers (revolvers, mundane stuff) cast lead bullets are still fine
1034513;1424973457;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo not if you want to cause actual damage
1034514;1424973462;mircea_popescu;where's that matasareanu article...
1034515;1424973467;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: may as well suggest arbalest
1034516;1424973477;asciilifeform;^ works quite well against unadorned kevlar, one might add
1034517;1424973477;mircea_popescu;http://trilema.com/2011/strategii-in-lupta-antisociala/
1034518;1424973477;assbot;Strategii in lupta antisociala pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.  ... ( http://bit.ly/17BnXp9 )
1034519;1424973482;mircea_popescu;i suppose i should translate this huh..
1034520;1424973515;BingoBoingo;Just Kalash and stoner rifle require "cleaner" bullets.
1034521;1424973535;mircea_popescu;brb translating
1034522;1424973556;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: anything that semi/auto cycles needs modern shell, to ~.1mm tolerance or so
1034523;1424973576;asciilifeform;that or 'caseless' strange (never, afaik, really perfected, despite ocean of money)
1034524;1424973597;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: Right. Also with Stoner rifle, Gas fouling is a problem with unplated bullets.
1034525;1424973613;BingoBoingo;<asciilifeform> that or 'caseless' strange (never, afaik, really perfected, despite ocean of money) << Olin Brass can has lobbyist too
1034526;1424973633;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: gas fouling << don't build rifles that 'shit where they eat' - problem solved
1034527;1424973709;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: as far as i understand, usg's refusal to adopt the correct solution, the gas piston, was pure nationalistic lunacy and little else
1034528;1424973752;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: Well, guy who came up with USG's currrent rifle prototype did so during time when USia discovered the wonders of hallucinogenics
1034529;1424973786;thestringpuller;^- that was a good time
1034530;1424973796;BingoBoingo;Eugene Stoner was probably a stoner, if not occasional enthusiast of more interesting chemicals back then
1034531;1424973806;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: not based on ww2 'garand' ?
1034532;1424973856;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: Not the M-16 Based on "AR-10" M1 Garand inspired M-14 (still in limited recycled use)
1034533;1424973947;BingoBoingo;Maybe Garand might have had something to do with the mouth shitting trend though.
1034534;1424974049;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: i've always wondered why internal mechanicals (trigger mechanisms, bolt, receiver) aren't chromium plated as modern (post '44 or so) barrels are
1034535;1424974070;BingoBoingo;"Wear Item"
1034536;1424974078;jurov;hi asciilifeform, if you still want dedi server for bitcoins, around ~$50 , we can do hetzner
1034537;1424974080;asciilifeform;and barrel isn't ?!
1034538;1424974129;BingoBoingo;Of course it is too. Just hard to pay contractor for parts that don't deplete frequently enough.
1034539;1424974132;asciilifeform;jurov: neat. i'll consider it
1034540;1424974157;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: but there is almost certainly a sound physical reason, because same was true on ru side
1034541;1424974164;asciilifeform;i simply don't happen to know what it is
1034542;1424974165;jurov;i need to know what is the priority, CPU or RAM  or SSD is a must?
1034543;1424974192;asciilifeform;jurov: cpu, then ram, then disk (not necessarily ssd, but at least mirrored mechanical)
1034544;1424974353;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: That is a point
1034545;1424974602;asciilifeform;'you need to go fuck yourself in the arsehole with a nice red hot iron dildo. I think that ought to improve your minuscule intellect.' -- from today's fan mail
1034546;1424974632;kakobrekla;hetzner takes bitcoin ?
1034547;1424974660;jurov;kakobrekla: no I take it
1034548;1424974661;kakobrekla;if you are converting there are cheaper options than hetzner
1034549;1424974687;jurov;even cheaper than their auction?
1034550;1424974693;kakobrekla;yup
1034551;1424974708;kakobrekla;example; http://www.online.net/en/dedicated-server/dedibox-classic
1034552;1424974709;assbot;Dedibox® Classic 2015 - Online.net ... ( http://bit.ly/1DWUWR7 )
1034553;1424974816;kakobrekla;although cheapest ssd option , hetzner might be better
1034554;1424974831;kakobrekla;here is another cheap dedi http://bsnservers.com/dedicated-servers/dedicated-servers-in-europe
1034555;1424974832;assbot;BSNServers - Bargain dedicated servers and hosting - Dedicated Servers in Europe ... ( http://bit.ly/17Bqb7W )
1034556;1424974861;asciilifeform;thing is, the requirements are somewhat peculiar (minimal bandwidth, max cpu/ram, minimal disk)
1034557;1424974882;kakobrekla;you want ssd ?
1034558;1424974888;asciilifeform;not necessarily
1034559;1424974898;asciilifeform;phuctor is 99% cpu-bound
1034560;1424974932;kakobrekla;ah i thought we were talking bitcoind sync test or some such
1034561;1424974948;kakobrekla;anyway, i gave you the links, your call entirely
1034562;1424974956;asciilifeform;ty kakobrekla, jurov
1034563;1424974971;asciilifeform;i'll suggest it to mircea_popescu once s.nsa has revenue
1034564;1424974996;kakobrekla;hm
1034565;1424975008;asciilifeform;(presently phuctor is paid for by yours truly, pro bono)
1034566;1424975018;kakobrekla;if you have a really lightweight worker client i can give you some cores
1034567;1424975024;asciilifeform;because usd is a renewable resource
1034568;1424975037;asciilifeform;kakobrekla: i want the whole thing on one box because i haven't the time or inclination to play sysadmin
1034569;1424975045;kakobrekla;mhm
1034570;1424975047;jurov;these other offers have considerable slower cpu than can be auctioned in hetzner at same price
1034571;1424975066;kakobrekla;eh?
1034572;1424975089;kakobrekla;for 30 eur you get shit
1034573;1424975091;kakobrekla;on hetzner
1034574;1424975103;jurov;Intel Core i7-3770 is shit?
1034575;1424975131;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 89924 @ 0.00040552 = 36.466 BTC [+]
1034576;1424975161;kakobrekla;that is 31!
1034577;1424975174;asciilifeform;lol
1034578;1424975181;*;jurov rolls eyes
1034579;1424975192;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 52162 @ 0.00040808 = 21.2863 BTC [+]
1034580;1424975288;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: I'm guessing that fan didn't see your extant writings on the topic? Or perhaps wasn't a spamateur and had?
1034581;1424975301;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: another butthurt 'clojure' user
1034582;1424975312;BingoBoingo;Ah, so still spamateur
1034583;1424975497;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 107182 @ 0.00039266 = 42.0861 BTC [-] {2} 
1034584;1424975779;jurov;asciilifeform: so either that i7-3770 or Xeon E3-1245V2 with ECC RAM for 7 euros more
1034585;1424975851;asciilifeform;jurov: neato. hopefully this will still exist by the time it is needed
1034586;1424975919;ben_vulpes;asciilifeform: 'clojure' << lol how'd you get that level of hatred up?
1034587;1424975972;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: ancient post still magnet for emotional crud
1034588;1424975977;ben_vulpes;dang.
1034589;1424975979;jurov;asciilifeform i was thinking you want to move phuctor sooner but ok :)
1034590;1424976065;asciilifeform;jurov: can't recommend a large, recurring btc expense for s.nsa until revenue >0, and can't picture mircea_popescu liking the idea much either
1034591;1424976092;jurov;it's not very large, but i understand
1034592;1424976107;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 103353 @ 0.00039096 = 40.4069 BTC [-] {3} 
1034593;1424976124;asciilifeform;jurov: unless i misunderstand, it is potentially unbound - tied to eu exchange rate
1034594;1424976167;jurov;that yes, but can be subject to agreement.
1034595;1424976177;mircea_popescu;http://trilema.com/2015/strategy-for-the-antisocial-struggle/
1034596;1424976178;assbot;Strategy for the antisocial struggle. pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.  ... ( http://bit.ly/17BsasQ )
1034597;1424976179;mircea_popescu;here we go.
1034598;1424976304;mircea_popescu;<asciilifeform> -- from today's fan mail << what was that for lol
1034599;1424976325;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: ancient post, http://www.loper-os.org/?p=42
1034600;1424976327;assbot;Loper OS » Thumbs Down for Clojure ... ( http://bit.ly/17BsojP )
1034601;1424976338;asciilifeform;continues to stimulate the easily-stimulated, etc
1034602;1424976355;mircea_popescu;<asciilifeform> jurov: can't recommend a large, recurring btc expense << fiddy bux isn't large yo.
1034603;1424976362;asciilifeform;see above
1034604;1424976371;mircea_popescu;so if it goes to shit it gets cancelled i guess.
1034605;1424976384;asciilifeform;aha see but my fiddy-us doesn't have to be cancelled
1034606;1424976509;mircea_popescu;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q7reSQd3uiA << this guy's fucking hot, srsly now.
1034607;1424976511;assbot;The Crazy World of Feminist Theater - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1AwK4Z8 )
1034608;1424976539;jurov;dunno, not my type
1034609;1424976548;asciilifeform;'If the police doesn't show up, off you go to your business. If the police does show up, butcher the civillians.' << already sop, palestine, etc. - just minus the bank part
1034610;1424976614;mircea_popescu;everywhere where people are winning.
1034611;1424976617;asciilifeform;(suicide bomber doesn't need money. at least, not especially much of it.)
1034612;1424976636;ben_vulpes;"who am i with my white cis-gendered privilege to pass judgement on such a masterpiece?"
1034613;1424976682;mircea_popescu;jurov more for me.
1034614;1424976690;jurov;:)
1034615;1424976715;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: in usa, bank happily hands robber a bag of money with small mine inside
1034616;1424976723;asciilifeform;this is sop for a generation now
1034617;1424976754;mircea_popescu;luckily it comes with meatshield.
1034618;1424976760;asciilifeform;for some reason hardly any ever bother to defuse the mine, even though its design is published quite openly in the patent (yes)
1034619;1424976778;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 58938 @ 0.00040524 = 23.884 BTC [+] {2} 
1034620;1424976834;asciilifeform;other observation, of course, is that $maxint in stolen cash doesn't really deprive the bank of anything - more is printed, delivered next day
1034621;1424976862;ben_vulpes;"FDIC Insurance"
1034622;1424976880;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: i doubt they bother with the paperwork
1034623;1424976885;asciilifeform;or public notices
1034624;1424976889;asciilifeform;it just... happens
1034625;1424976935;asciilifeform;recall mircea_popescu's article re: the petadollars' worth of precious paper that got 'thermonuked' in the new york flood ?
1034626;1424976942;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: Aha! You aren't so anti-drug after all!!! http://trilema.com/2010/cadeti-afara-doi/
1034627;1424976942;assbot;Cadeti afara (doi) pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.  ... ( http://bit.ly/17BtADP )
1034628;1424976943;asciilifeform;who noticed it?
1034629;1424976961;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19612 @ 0.00040902 = 8.0217 BTC [+]
1034630;1424977849;BingoBoingo;;;later tell pete_dushenski http://qntra.net/2015/02/your-cellphone-is-a-tracking-device-that-relays-your-conversations-in-plaintext/#comment-11768
1034631;1424977849;assbot;Your Cellphone Is A Tracking Device That Relays Your Conversations In Plaintext | Qntra.net ... ( http://bit.ly/1AwPL9J )
1034632;1424977849;gribble;The operation succeeded.
1034633;1424977990;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: 'reop' proggy appears to use usgoogle's crypto turdlib
1034634;1424978021;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: Well, I offered the caveat of redone entirely.
1034635;1424978109;asciilifeform;incidentally, is somebody here interested in attempting a surgical replacement of 'openssl' in bitcoind 0.5.3 with 'micro-ecc' ?
1034636;1424978117;asciilifeform;( https://github.com/kmackay/micro-ecc )
1034637;1424978119;assbot;kmackay/micro-ecc · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/18WJY2A )
1034638;1424978135;thestringpuller;is surgical even possible?
1034639;1424978140;asciilifeform;or does it also have to wait until i'm cloned ten times and can finally do everything
1034640;1424978141;thestringpuller;this is more of a frankentstein operation
1034641;1424978159;BingoBoingo;as far as user interface and "armored text block" goes, looks about right reop looks about right. Just needs to dump the part where done in go and depends on external google library
1034642;1424978169;asciilifeform;thestringpuller: 1) it does the basic maths 2) brief enough to be humanly readable with some effort
1034643;1424978203;BingoBoingo;Suffice to say reop is still a toy, but one that apes proper function better than moxenslit's toy
1034644;1424978205;asciilifeform;other than that, i cannot comment on the quality
1034645;1424978224;asciilifeform;(was speaking here of 'micro-ecc')
1034646;1424978226;thestringpuller;asciilifeform: the process of removing openssl from bitcoind seems like that operation Tony Stark underwent.
1034647;1424978285;thestringpuller;asciilifeform: i'm cloned ten times << Do you think you'd work well, with yourself? Hopefully it's not like that Dexter's Lab episode.
1034648;1424978302;asciilifeform;nope
1034649;1424978303;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16314 @ 0.00040902 = 6.6728 BTC [+] {3} 
1034650;1424978307;asciilifeform;put'em on separate continents.
1034651;1424978514;asciilifeform;https://github.com/kmackay/micro-ecc/blob/master/uECC.c << ends up ~half again as long if you snip out the ifdefs for unreasonably small (8, 16-bit) machines
1034652;1424978515;assbot;micro-ecc/uECC.c at master · kmackay/micro-ecc · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1AwSxLU )
1034653;1424978545;asciilifeform;do any of you feel up to the task of ada-izing this ?
1034654;1424978556;asciilifeform;until this happens, we're playing 'underhanded c contest'
1034655;1424978564;BingoBoingo;<asciilifeform> put'em on separate continents. << Hard part is not cloning the hardware. It is cloning the history and software.
1034656;1424978586;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: we're talking about the classical fictional clones, naturally, rather than the boring younger twin brother kind
1034657;1424978598;BingoBoingo;Ah
1034658;1424978795;mats;asciilifeform: i may be able to wrangle some time on a cluster if you're interested in doing a batch job
1034659;1424978815;mats;would be a good stop-gap until jurov gets going
1034660;1424978825;asciilifeform;mats: i am specifically not interested in shuttling crud back & forth
1034661;1424978829;asciilifeform;have plenty of cpu here at home
1034662;1424978836;asciilifeform;but want to push button and forget again.
1034663;1424978846;mats;ok
1034664;1424978968;punkman;asciilifeform: I wonder how much extra code we'll need to make microecc (or whatever else) parse/verify all the different crap already in blockchain
1034665;1424979001;mats;http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/the-switch/wp/2015/02/26/the-fcc-set-to-approve-strong-net-neutrality-rules/
1034666;1424979001;assbot;The FCC approves strong net neutrality rules - The Washington Post ... ( http://bit.ly/1AwUyrt )
1034667;1424979005;asciilifeform;punkman: that is clearly part of the puzzle
1034668;1424979064;punkman;I'd be interested in learning Ada (or other language), but damn that's some gnarly syntax
1034669;1424979136;*;BingoBoingo has build against LibreSSL 2.0 syncing, 9 days of history left, no wedge blocks
1034670;1424979148;asciilifeform;punkman: get the 'rationale' book. every piece of 'gnarl' is justified, and the justification reads like your local fire code - every line is likely there because of a corpse
1034671;1424979198;punkman;I don't think we have fire code :P
1034672;1424979356;punkman;asciilifeform: should I be looking at ada 2012 flavour?
1034673;1424979369;asciilifeform;punkman: 2005 or better yet 95
1034674;1424979385;asciilifeform;none of the post-95 features are likely to be usable on a bare-metal build
1034675;1424979394;asciilifeform;(they require the runtime libs)
1034676;1424979410;asciilifeform;while the original 1983 standard had warts that were fixed in 95
1034677;1424979853;punkman;http://www.ada2012.org/comparison.html handy table
1034678;1424979854;assbot;Ada 2012 : Ada Comparison Chart ... ( http://bit.ly/1AwY998 )
1034679;1424980240;thestringpuller;asciilifeform: because of a corpse << reminds me of this tv show Venture Bros. First episode this henchman named Speedy was brutally killed by super body guard (Brock Samson). So in subsequent episodes the veteran henchman are like "So, lemme tell you about a story about a henchman named Speedy."
1034680;1424980267;thestringpuller;"All fun and games until someone dies?" or something like that.
1034681;1424981952;asciilifeform;http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2015-February/000052.html << ben_vulpes, mod6, jurov, mircea_popescu, et al
1034682;1424981952;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1AOMTDX )
1034683;1424982096;ben_vulpes;you're running some interesting experiments, asciilifeform.
1034684;1424982122;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: that was about 10 minutes' work, and if you notice - didn't lead to a usable result
1034685;1424982131;asciilifeform;but posted it in case somebody takes an interest in the concept
1034686;1424982135;*;ben_vulpes read, noticed.
1034687;1424982451;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13200 @ 0.00042078 = 5.5543 BTC [+]
1034688;1424982709;BingoBoingo;Nailgun 'Suicides' are getting more ambitious http://www.stltoday.com/news/local/crime-and-courts/missouri-auditor-and-governor-candidate-tom-schweich-has-died/article_879ddcd7-c997-5df3-bc61-39282c4f7434.html
1034689;1424982710;assbot;Missouri Auditor and governor candidate Tom Schweich has died : News ... ( http://bit.ly/1AOOVUw )
1034690;1424982747;BingoBoingo;"His death was confirmed by his office early Thursday afternoon, just hours after Schweich had requested an interview with reporters for the Post-Dispatch and the Associated Press at his Clayton home later in the day."
1034691;1424982826;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-11-2014#927129 http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-11-2014#927130
1034692;1424982826;assbot;Logged on 18-11-2014 01:12:16; asciilifeform: at this point, quite a few people will not believe, e.g., the camps, even when they end up inside.
1034693;1424982826;assbot;Logged on 18-11-2014 01:12:37; asciilifeform: it will be a 'temporary relocation center' to them, even when the shower heads start hissing out the zyklon.
1034694;1424982861;asciilifeform;quite a few folks who ought to know better make monkey noises when i/anyone speak of 'shadow state' and lizardhitler
1034695;1424982890;asciilifeform;what, i wonder, goes through their heads when the nailgun fires and their gut is stapled to their chair ?
1034696;1424983005;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: consider writing up for qntra ?
1034697;1424983028;chetty;<asciilifeform> what, i wonder, goes through their heads when the nailgun fires and their gut is stapled to their chair ?// they still dont believe
1034698;1424983032;BingoBoingo;I'm considering it.
1034699;1424983127;BingoBoingo;Schweich was notorious for breaking up all kinds of small bezzels in his first terms as State Auditor, announced candidacy for governor a few weeks ago, would have probably won. Then last night panicked phone calls and forever silence.
1034700;1424983162;mike_c;? that doesn't say nailgun
1034701;1424983179;asciilifeform;mike_c: the actual type of small arm used is unimportant
1034702;1424983184;BingoBoingo;mike_c: Once again escalation
1034703;1424983192;BingoBoingo;!up B0g4r7
1034704;1424983196;mike_c;well, sort of unimportant.  it is stylish when they actually use a nailgun
1034705;1424983212;asciilifeform;mike_c: 'nailgun' in this context is the proverbial 'convenient suicide' of someone who 'needed to have problems'
1034706;1424983226;asciilifeform;that is, someone who created problems for usg
1034707;1424983232;asciilifeform;and wouldn't turn asset when asked nicely
1034708;1424983255;asciilifeform;(or, alternatively, needed to be taken off the gameboard in an unusual hurry)
1034709;1424983285;BingoBoingo;Schweich had actually in past careers been a well labeled and prominent "asset" of things
1034710;1424983285;asciilifeform;because, possibly, found to have been planning some action to which there is no convenient, clean usg response.
1034711;1424983322;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: the most 'instructive' deaths are usually reserved for 'former assets'
1034712;1424983366;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 117000 @ 0.00042677 = 49.9321 BTC [+] {3} 
1034713;1424983398;punkman;asciilifeform: but why shadowstate and not private concern?
1034714;1424983419;asciilifeform;punkman: the distinction is meaningless
1034715;1424983421;BingoBoingo;Pretense of credibility was likely established with "negative campaign ad" run beginning yesterday by local kook who presented no credible chance at winning the office
1034716;1424983433;asciilifeform;punkman: much of what i call usg consists, on paper, of 'private' concerns
1034717;1424983446;asciilifeform;e.g. microsoft
1034718;1424983819;asciilifeform;incidentally, lies are much cheaper than bullets
1034719;1424983841;asciilifeform;unless you know that schmuck personally, don't blithely assume that he died in his house (conveniently pictured in article) or that his wife is still alive, etc
1034720;1424983889;thestringpuller;asciilifeform: assume that he died << you mean like faking his death?
1034721;1424983904;thestringpuller;as it stands this is probably best way to disappear completely without actual death.
1034722;1424983904;asciilifeform;for all we know, he's sitting on an anthill right now somewhere at 'the farm' (look it up), writhing on camera for showing to future 'candidates'
1034723;1424983910;BingoBoingo;thestringpuller: Nah, the in his house part
1034724;1424983911;asciilifeform;thestringpuller: nope
1034725;1424984002;thestringpuller;asciilifeform: oh you're saying they staged his death and now he's prisoner until actual death?
1034726;1424984006;asciilifeform;again no.
1034727;1424984013;asciilifeform;or rather, not necessarily
1034728;1424984053;asciilifeform;merely suggesting that an official statement from usg has the same credibility as the testimony of a habitual mugger who's been in and out of jails since he was 8 y.o., given upon apprehension at 4am in an alley
1034729;1424984061;BingoBoingo;!up gabriel_laddel
1034730;1424984063;gabriel_laddel;Thanks. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UprNbs6M6c8
1034731;1424984065;assbot;Daniel Kahn & The Painted Bird - Rats - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1AOShHg )
1034732;1424984142;asciilifeform;^ aha the 'inner emigration' folks
1034733;1424984171;gabriel_laddel;The very same. Lovely music, this.
1034734;1424984201;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: alternate explanation, he came home to a spread of kiddie porn and toilet tank cocaine tagged with a note stating there was a "kinder" way out.
1034735;1424984216;asciilifeform;^ or.
1034736;1424984250;thestringpuller;what do you know about iptables?
1034737;1424984287;PeterL;BingoBoingo: article mentions he was on the phone just before shot was heard, perhaps agent was explaining how he would find those things tomorrow unless
1034738;1424984341;BingoBoingo;thestringpuller: Why not just use pf
1034739;1424984342;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 37331 @ 0.000436 = 16.2763 BTC [+] {3} 
1034740;1424984354;thestringpuller;PeterL: this is why there are no patriots anymore.
1034741;1424984367;thestringpuller;How can you be a patriot if your own country will back stab you?
1034742;1424984402;gabriel_laddel;;; site: trilema.com "America isn't a people"
1034743;1424984403;gribble;Error: "site:" is not a valid command.
1034744;1424984409;gabriel_laddel;;; google site: trilema.com "America isn't a people"
1034745;1424984410;gribble;The crime of being American pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.: <http://trilema.com/the-crime-of-being-american>; #bitcoin-assets +m pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.: <http://trilema.com/2014/bitcoin-assets-m/>; The future of Bitcoin regulation pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea ...: <http://trilema.com/2013/the-future-of-bitcoin-regulation/>
1034746;1424984432;asciilifeform;what's a german patriot in '45.
1034747;1424984456;gabriel_laddel;eh, not what I wanted, and I don't care to find the article. In any case, what is 'your country' anyway?
1034748;1424984459;PeterL;asciilifeform: the ones trying to assasinate Hitler?
1034749;1424984523;thestringpuller;gabriel_laddel: this is a good country. in a world where a country betrays their soldiers, what do those soldiers do?
1034750;1424984531;gabriel_laddel;die
1034751;1424984536;thestringpuller;this is a good point*
1034752;1424984536;gabriel_laddel;!s ethnic war is just like regular war except that the uniforms are glued on
1034753;1424984537;assbot;0 results for 'ethnic war is just like regular war except that the uniforms are glued on' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=ethnic+war+is+just+like+regular+war+except+that+the+uniforms+are+glued+on
1034754;1424984566;asciilifeform;http://s260.photobucket.com/user/drmabuse06/media/TimeTravelHitler.jpg.html << obligatory
1034755;1424984567;assbot;Time Travel Hitler Photo by drmabuse06 | Photobucket ... ( http://bit.ly/1JRHvaj )
1034756;1424984573;BingoBoingo;gabriel_laddel: You want the hotel article
1034757;1424984579;gabriel_laddel;!s http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-08-2014#803548
1034758;1424984579;assbot;Logged on 21-08-2014 03:24:30; asciilifeform: most russians in chechnya, pre-collapse, weren't instinctively afraid of their neighbours either.
1034759;1424984580;assbot;0 results for 'http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-08-2014#803548' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=http%3A%2F%2Flog.bitcoin-assets.com%2F%3Fdate%3D21-08-2014%23803548
1034760;1424984648;gabriel_laddel;"time travel hitler" lolol
1034761;1424984707;nubbins`;hi
1034762;1424984763;gabriel_laddel;BingoBoingo: I was looking for an article with photos from MP touring the US where he comments something to effect of "the US is fucked, it is a collection of people who have nothing in common". In any case, the hotel article should suffice.
1034763;1424984777;mats;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=09-02-2015#1013736 << wayland, mir, not competition?
1034764;1424984777;assbot;Logged on 09-02-2015 20:23:01; asciilifeform: x sucks and no competition
1034765;1424984816;BingoBoingo;gabriel_laddel: Fire in Alabama
1034766;1424984817;asciilifeform;mats: nope
1034767;1424984831;asciilifeform;mats: for one thing, it it can't be piped over ip, it isn't a substitute for x
1034768;1424984835;asciilifeform;i don't care what the fuck else it does.
1034769;1424984844;nubbins`;mircea_popescu, maybe a poster campaign with a bit of cheekiness this time
1034770;1424984856;asciilifeform;and fuck the 'desktop unix!!111!!!111' people with red hot dildo.
1034771;1424984871;asciilifeform;i -use- the functionality they don't see a purpose for.
1034772;1424984876;nubbins`;cheap/colorful paper, super intense colors, very bold graphics
1034773;1424984878;asciilifeform;and so do other thinking folks.
1034774;1424984889;nubbins`;all about the utter failings/piece-of-shittedness of the phoundation
1034775;1424984932;nubbins`;offer it as "mystery poster" for the cost of s&h
1034776;1424984938;PeterL;asciilifeform: which functionality are they trying to remove?
1034777;1424984952;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27617 @ 0.00042741 = 11.8038 BTC [-] {2} 
1034778;1424984954;nubbins`;lucky recipient opens tube, out falls a half dozen cheap posters he can keep/paste/sell/give away
1034779;1424984974;asciilifeform;PeterL: most 'alternatives for x11' dispense with the everything-can-be-piped-over-tcp
1034780;1424984987;asciilifeform;in favour of either nothing or winblows-style whole-display 'remote desktop' bullshit
1034781;1424985013;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 64383 @ 0.00041953 = 27.0106 BTC [-] {2} 
1034782;1424985015;asciilifeform;i actually know of no exception to this
1034783;1424985019;asciilifeform;if anyone does, please link.
1034784;1424985071;nubbins`;well. either mapping the phailings of the phoundation (someone with knowledge of recent "vote" should chime in here) or the virtues of the .foundation
1034785;1424985072;asciilifeform;fact is, i can run a graphical proggy on machine at other side of my house, or other side of the planet, and have the output - regardless of where in my display devices i shove it - look -exactly- the same as if it were local
1034786;1424985074;asciilifeform;on x11
1034787;1424985076;asciilifeform;and nowhere else.
1034788;1424985119;asciilifeform;and what's more, because bitmaps aren't much flowing over the wire, it'll be usably fast.
1034789;1424985135;asciilifeform;how this strikes anyone as an optional frill, is beyond me
1034790;1424985178;asciilifeform;but count me 100% in favour of mircea_popescu's proposal to get these idiots off computers and preferably - eventually - off the electric grid likewise.
1034791;1424985185;asciilifeform;because they don't belong living with people.
1034792;1424985215;asciilifeform;not that x11 has no warts
1034793;1424985238;asciilifeform;but afaik, none of the extant 'alternatives' is an actual alternative.
1034794;1424985301;BingoBoingo;scoopbot -fetch
1034795;1424985382;asciilifeform;http://paintedbird.de/images/stories/kahn/pdf/Parasites.pdf
1034796;1424985383;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1AOVo1P )
1034797;1424985384;asciilifeform;^ neato
1034798;1424985423;BingoBoingo;thestringpuller: http://qntra.net/2015/02/bitgo-offers-insurance-the-fdic-way/#comment-11785
1034799;1424985424;assbot;BitGo Offers Insurance The FDIC Way | Qntra.net ... ( http://bit.ly/1AOVtT0 )
1034800;1424985464;asciilifeform;http://paintedbird.de/images/stories/kahn/pdf/SixMillion.pdf
1034801;1424985465;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1AOVuGI )
1034802;1424985522;BingoBoingo;http://qntra.net/2015/02/missouri-state-auditor-dies-of-gunshot-wound/
1034803;1424985522;assbot;Missouri State Auditor Dies of Gunshot Wound | Qntra.net ... ( http://bit.ly/1AOVCWO )
1034804;1424985531;mircea_popescu;"BitGo is the only company in the industry we trust to secure our hot wallet. The integration was very straightforward, and now I can sleep better at night knowing that my customers' holdings are secured with BitGo."
1034805;1424985547;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: cache original article!
1034806;1424985547;mircea_popescu;it'd have been a lot more helpful if instead of empty boasts and declarative statements they just explained the math.
1034807;1424985551;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: before it's gone.
1034808;1424985553;mircea_popescu;how exactly is the api working ? gpg ?
1034809;1424985554;thestringpuller;PeterL: scoopbot malfunction.
1034810;1424985573;thestringpuller;mircea_popescu: no some toy crypto
1034811;1424985575;PeterL;yeah, I see, working on it, bleh
1034812;1424985641;thestringpuller;mircea_popescu: https://www.bitgo.com/api/
1034813;1424985655;thestringpuller;don't open unless you want to take your IQ down a bit
1034814;1424985655;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo New Reno: Accepted.
1034815;1424985667;BingoBoingo;Oic
1034816;1424985673;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: Saved
1034817;1424985696;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: i meant, save & mirrorlink
1034818;1424985698;thestringpuller;"Almost all BitGo API interfaces require authentication. This begins with a username/password at the Login Endpoint and requires 2-factor authentication via Authy or your mobile phone (set up via the BitGo website)."
1034819;1424985703;asciilifeform;statically link!
1034820;1424985714;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: Working on the second part
1034821;1424985723;mircea_popescu;ffs, i can sleep safer at night knowing that usagi v2.0 is offering derpsurance.
1034822;1424985746;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=26-02-2015#1034635 << too risky.,
1034823;1424985746;assbot;Logged on 26-02-2015 19:15:09; asciilifeform: incidentally, is somebody here interested in attempting a surgical replacement of 'openssl' in bitcoind 0.5.3 with 'micro-ecc' ?
1034824;1424985759;mircea_popescu;it's worth doing on a test network just to count subtle bugs.
1034825;1424985805;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: not 'testnet' but deterministic sync from single node (neither on public net)
1034826;1424985835;asciilifeform;if ends up with bitwise identical blockchain on disk (minus time data) then quite likely correct.
1034827;1424985843;mircea_popescu;not so.
1034828;1424985851;asciilifeform;(if you're waiting for someone to mathematically prove equivalence, you'll be waiting a long time)
1034829;1424985853;thestringpuller;https://www.bitgo.com/api/#decrypt << srsly enc/dec via Javascript in browser?!?!?
1034830;1424985860;thestringpuller;or node.js?!?
1034831;1424985868;mircea_popescu;you're stuck with that. how do you think the original fork happened.
1034832;1424985883;asciilifeform;stuck with what ?
1034833;1424985923;thestringpuller;mircea_popescu: are you talking about the berkleydb thing?
1034834;1424986177;BingoBoingo;thestringpuller: Original block 168000 fork no one knew about
1034835;1424986245;asciilifeform;fact is, 'hey hey ho ho' openssl 'has got to go'
1034836;1424986251;asciilifeform;one way or other.
1034837;1424986278;asciilifeform;fully algorithmic statement of bitcoin cannot have 'and a turd goes here'
1034838;1424986312;asciilifeform;it should ask for only a tcp stack and a place to park bytes in some nonvolatile way
1034839;1424986313;punkman;even openssl can't confirm all it's own signatures
1034840;1424986409;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform stuck with math proven equivalence.
1034841;1424986431;mircea_popescu;well, no, but the openssl code as-was.
1034842;1424986449;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: somebody would have to cough up a mathematicized model of 'c' and stdlib + rest of the spittoon
1034843;1424986463;asciilifeform;don't expect it to happen this side of the next millenium
1034844;1424986501;mircea_popescu;the problem with the "if it valdiates the previous chain is good enough" approach is its very pure gavinderpitude.
1034845;1424986512;mircea_popescu;ie, "we imagine ourselves the owners of a distributed project"
1034846;1424986514;asciilifeform;certainly can't consist just of that
1034847;1424986519;asciilifeform;you need mathematical proof
1034848;1424986523;asciilifeform;but of internal consistency
1034849;1424986531;asciilifeform;rather than bug-for-bug equivalence to the turd
1034850;1424986550;PeterL;what happens if we remove a bug and it no longer syncs?
1034851;1424986558;asciilifeform;PeterL: depends what kind of bug
1034852;1424986565;asciilifeform;if it was an exploitable bug, old chain is a dead man walking
1034853;1424986572;asciilifeform;if non exploitable, then 'it ain't a bug, it's a feature'
1034854;1424986612;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: i'd suggest, in characteristic crackpottery, to have the two ecdsa modules operate in tandem.
1034855;1424986620;asciilifeform;in separate address spaces.
1034856;1424986640;asciilifeform;until such a day as folks with 'skin in game' no longer think it necessary.
1034857;1424986642;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: Story updated with turdory cached http://qntra.net/2015/02/missouri-state-auditor-dies-of-gunshot-wound/
1034858;1424986643;assbot;Missouri State Auditor Dies of Gunshot Wound | Qntra.net ... ( http://bit.ly/1AOYtii )
1034859;1424986688;*;BingoBoingo first heard this news on the radio while retreiving 1/5th of vodka from liquor retailor
1034860;1424986694;punkman;BingoBoingo: .zip link is wrong
1034861;1424986759;BingoBoingo;punkman: fxd nao
1034862;1424986761;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform righjt, kinda what i meant by runninmg it on testnet to see
1034863;1424986761;nubbins`;1/5th of what of vodka
1034864;1424986779;nubbins`;and what is the unit you're about to use in real units
1034865;1424986784;BingoBoingo;nubbins`: 1/5th is its own unit of measure for packaged liquor
1034866;1424986797;nubbins`;okay, but...
1034867;1424986797;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: i meant actual tandem, as in 'every sig ever checked/generated from both interfaces, and all the world's bells will surely ring if the answer ever differs'
1034868;1424986800;nubbins`;vol*5 = ?
1034869;1424986820;nubbins`;oh, a gallon.
1034870;1424986828;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo nice move linking the local site. should be standing policy : all news is local news, always eschew the aggregators, from reuters to gawker, in favour of the source.
1034871;1424986829;BingoBoingo;nubbins`: 750 ml, so 5 of those would be a gallon if liters were quarts
1034872;1424986885;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=26-02-2015#1034655 << imagine the thing go wrong and alf becoming four alfettes.
1034873;1424986885;assbot;Logged on 26-02-2015 19:22:44; BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> put'em on separate continents. << Hard part is not cloning the hardware. It is cloning the history and software.
1034874;1424986897;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: Well, was local enough news that I knew local source
1034875;1424986907;mircea_popescu;all vying for supremacy and the hand in marriage of the one true alf
1034876;1424986914;mircea_popescu;ww3 and a decentscifi premise right there.
1034877;1424986914;nubbins`;BingoBoingo we call this size bottle a "twenty-sixer"
1034878;1424986915;asciilifeform;l0lz
1034879;1424986922;nubbins`;on account of it being 750mL in volume
1034880;1424986977;jurov;;;ticker
1034881;1424986978;danielpbarron;"I just drank of fifth of vodka; dare me to drive?" --Eminem
1034882;1424986978;gribble;Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 236.57, Best ask: 236.9, Bid-ask spread: 0.33000, Last trade: 236.89, 24 hour volume: 5325.74561124, 24 hour low: 234.01, 24 hour high: 238.55, 24 hour vwap: 236.609743047
1034883;1424987014;nubbins`;"oh god, please let me die beneath her fists" -- nick cave
1034884;1424987015;nubbins`;;p
1034885;1424987068;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: ecdsa << this is gonna go just like the christian scriptural translations thing, isnnit
1034886;1424987097;asciilifeform;(aramaic, greek, latin, vulgar tongues... coexisting uneasily)
1034887;1424987151;BingoBoingo;<asciilifeform> mircea_popescu: ecdsa << this is gonna go just like the christian scriptural translations thing, isnnit << Yes, and no curves can have identifiers which are too stand out, especially if they are useful at all
1034888;1424987174;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: this is actually the reason why my first suggestion was to merely rip out the relevant parts of openssl (pick a version) so as the build ends up - 1) self-contained 2) bitwise identical binary
1034889;1424987193;asciilifeform;rip out and roll in, that is
1034890;1424987211;nubbins`;asciilifeform: ...rubes misquoting poor translations as literal truths...
1034891;1424987214;asciilifeform;bitwise-identical doesn't need a mathematician to prove... just a copy of 'diff'
1034892;1424987239;nubbins`;hm
1034893;1424987267;PeterL;asciilifeform: sort of making a static fork of the library with only the parts used by bitcoind?
1034894;1424987274;asciilifeform;PeterL: right
1034895;1424987284;BingoBoingo;5 days of history left to sync
1034896;1424987287;asciilifeform;nubbins`: mircea_popescu takes a 'sapper errs once' attitude to bitcoin compatibility, for reasons which should need no explanation
1034897;1424987353;asciilifeform;see his article re: how 'no one alive has the authority to create a fork, deliberate or otherwise' (don't have link handy)
1034898;1424987360;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform> nubbins`: mircea_popescu takes a 'sapper errs once' attitude to bitcoin compatibility, for reasons which should need no explanation << Kinda why my -qt OpenBSD experiment is vaguely described in blog post. If I hit a grendade do not want others suffering same one
1034899;1424987433;BingoBoingo;Also my porting effort consisted on delete, ctrl-c, and ctrl-v and watching compiler errors
1034900;1424987444;nubbins`;heh
1034901;1424987454;nubbins`;we call this "test driven development"
1034902;1424987471;BingoBoingo;Well, I also read the previous porting efforts
1034903;1424987473;asciilifeform;the thing is, eventually this 0.5.3 thing is going to have to, like or not, -add- vs merely remove
1034904;1424987492;asciilifeform;if only to fix obvious and intolerable flaws like the orphans leak
1034905;1424987504;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform quite substantially the same thing yes
1034906;1424987513;nubbins`;BingoBoingo, cazalla much work involved in collating a list -- say 10-20 items -- of the phoundation's biggest boondoggles/fuckups/skeletons/whatever?
1034907;1424987519;nubbins`;things that shine the light, as it were
1034908;1424987532;nubbins`;i feel like one of you guys would be in the know
1034909;1424987542;BingoBoingo;nubbins`: Why don't you give it a whirl
1034910;1424987575;mircea_popescu;nubbins` sounds like a fine way to begin your qntra career.
1034911;1424987586;punkman;http://www.gwern.net/Archiving%20URLs  some useful scripts for archiving links and Firefox URL history in particular
1034912;1424987588;assbot;Archiving URLs - Gwern.net ... ( http://bit.ly/1AP0OKa )
1034913;1424987635;nubbins`;it's actually a fine way to dig in on this poster project, but i don't have the time or the inclination to dig through years of phoundation phollies
1034914;1424987641;*;BingoBoingo doesn't run a firefox with a concept of "history"
1034915;1424987663;asciilifeform;with regards to 0.5.3, i was expecting to see some technical discussion re: total rework of the blockchain sync mechanism and its idiocies, but this didn't happen
1034916;1424987666;thestringpuller;danielpbarron listens to eminem?!?
1034917;1424987667;BingoBoingo;nubbins`: Thing of it as argueing against a laser dude
1034918;1424987672;nubbins`;heh.
1034919;1424987675;thestringpuller;my name is...
1034920;1424987676;asciilifeform;evidently, no one has the time or inclination
1034921;1424987687;nubbins`;asciilifeform no kidding
1034922;1424987687;asciilifeform;(rather -and-)
1034923;1424987703;nubbins`;i've got the time and inclination to illustrate and print the things
1034924;1424987724;BingoBoingo;<asciilifeform> with regards to 0.5.3, i was expecting to see some technical discussion re: total rework of the blockchain sync mechanism and its idiocies, but this didn't happen << "Numbers Station"
1034925;1424987743;nubbins`;so if someone's looking for a chance to make it matter, maybe earn yourself some trust (i'm looking at you, everyone without +v), this might be an opportunity
1034926;1424987745;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: no, actual technical discussion
1034927;1424987755;asciilifeform;or better yet, code
1034928;1424987799;asciilifeform;or at the very least review the backport
1034929;1424987818;asciilifeform;( http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2015-January/000038.html )
1034930;1424987818;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1AP1gYY )
1034931;1424987880;danielpbarron;thestringpuller> danielpbarron listens to eminem?!? << I used to; my mom once lectured me on how terrible it was -- she now loves the guy and can sing along to most of his songs (very strange to behold)
1034932;1424987951;*;nubbins` pictures own mother softly singing "you don't want to fuck with shady, 'cause shady will fucking kill you" while wiping countertops
1034933;1424988055;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform will take time.
1034934;1424988055;danielpbarron;that's not even bad; he says way worse things
1034935;1424988067;mircea_popescu;dun rush things, foundation snipped thing isn't even stable yet.
1034936;1424988124;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14050 @ 0.00043921 = 6.1709 BTC [+]
1034937;1424988133;punkman;I'm waiting for that x86 static build recipe, or was it posted somewhere already?
1034938;1424988169;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo: Then last night panicked phone calls and forever silence. << i don't get these people. nismann (argentine da, shot by state because threatening to put president in jail) was the same way : spent his crucial night before the great day ALONE ?!?!?!
1034939;1424988173;asciilifeform;punkman: mod6 posted iirc
1034940;1424988186;mircea_popescu;dude, that's not what you do. what you do is, you go to the biggest restaurant in town and start buying people drinks and lunches.
1034941;1424988196;mircea_popescu;you spend a year's salary on throwing the biggest party ever.
1034942;1424988206;mircea_popescu;but no, geeks gotta geek out.
1034943;1424988238;nubbins`;"after a night of partying, nismann was found dead, apparently having choked to death on his own vomit"
1034944;1424988239;*;BingoBoingo planning to find OBSD rentaboxen in the 1-3 month timeline to play with build and sync of foundation thing.
1034945;1424988262;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: what thing. the one that leaks memory? why waste -any- time on it?
1034946;1424988284;mircea_popescu;yeah right.
1034947;1424988285;asciilifeform;not that backport should be used as is! but why piss away time on a turd ?
1034948;1424988296;mircea_popescu;nobody forces you to drink.
1034949;1424988296;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: The orphanage burning version, see if stable.
1034950;1424988303;asciilifeform;also waste
1034951;1424988308;nubbins`;mircea_popescu nope but everybody encourages you to
1034952;1424988314;asciilifeform;must -understand- code and write sane version
1034953;1424988322;*;nubbins` searches for list of famous people dead by alcohol poisoning
1034954;1424988334;BingoBoingo;See what fuckery happens on different *nixen document
1034955;1424988336;mircea_popescu;nubbins` yeah well if you're about to take down the president but can't resist a little social pressure...
1034956;1424988375;nubbins`;mircea_popescu i'm not saying he says "fuck it, 20th shot in a row", i'm saying he wakes up dead with a mouth fulla foam instead of a bullet in his head or w/e
1034957;1424988383;nubbins`;or is he gonna pull an all-nighter? 8)
1034958;1424988454;kakobrekla;http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-31639374
1034959;1424988454;assbot;BBC News - How do you catch a drone? ... ( http://bit.ly/1AP2XWl )
1034960;1424988459;mircea_popescu;nubbins` in public ?
1034961;1424988475;nubbins`;whoosh
1034962;1424988480;nubbins`;he's sleeping in the restaurant now?
1034963;1424988484;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu> nubbins` in public ? << Plenty of people in a bar have been slipped mickeys
1034964;1424988673;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35750 @ 0.00043964 = 15.7171 BTC [+]
1034965;1424988686;mircea_popescu;ehh, it's relaxing.
1034966;1424988690;asciilifeform;kakobrekla: gotta love how 'force everyone to buy crippleware' is listed as an 'option'
1034967;1424988708;kakobrekla;mhm
1034968;1424988714;mircea_popescu;punkman: asciilifeform: but why shadowstate and not private concern? <<< a shadow state is by definition a private concern.
1034969;1424988726;asciilifeform;^
1034970;1424988748;*;asciilifeform accustomed to perverse usg use of word 'private' rather than the dictionary meaning
1034971;1424988765;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=26-02-2015#1034728 << quite.
1034972;1424988765;assbot;Logged on 26-02-2015 20:54:13; asciilifeform: merely suggesting that an official statement from usg has the same credibility as the testimony of a habitual mugger who's been in and out of jails since he was 8 y.o., given upon apprehension at 4am in an alley
1034973;1424988769;BingoBoingo;<asciilifeform> must -understand- code and write sane version << My limit for the forseeable future is maybe spot errors.
1034974;1424988788;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform as in, "private svejk" ?
1034975;1424988802;asciilifeform;as in 'microshit is private industry'
1034976;1424988977;BingoBoingo;Back to srs commentary on news... Schweich had primary and general election in the bag >> http://themissouritimes.com/14953/schweich-sent-open-letter-requesting-gubernatorial-run/
1034977;1424988979;assbot;Schweich sent an open letter encouraging gubernatorial run - The Missouri Times ... ( http://bit.ly/1AP4o72 )
1034978;1424989010;BingoBoingo;In spite of being emaciated birdnose guy
1034979;1424989038;danielpbarron;i got accused of being "tea party" for tweeting qntra article re: ^
1034980;1424989061;mircea_popescu;;;later tell gabriel_laddel http://trilema.com/2014/most-wrong-and-absolutely-wrongest/#footnote_3_52271 ?
1034981;1424989062;assbot;Most wrong and absolutely wrongest pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.  ... ( http://bit.ly/1AP4yeJ )
1034982;1424989062;gribble;The operation succeeded.
1034983;1424989083;danielpbarron;the guy shut up really fast when i asked for his real name with the hashtag #FeelingLitigious
1034984;1424989088;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=26-02-2015#1034734 << dude i'd so totally blog all that :D
1034985;1424989088;assbot;Logged on 26-02-2015 20:56:41; BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: alternate explanation, he came home to a spread of kiddie porn and toilet tank cocaine tagged with a note stating there was a "kinder" way out.
1034986;1424989092;BingoBoingo;danielpbarron: His one primary opponent as of yesterday was marginal "christian 1st" tea party kook of marginal interest
1034987;1424989140;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: qntra is the news. We maintain credibility by putting that shit in the log now to link later. 5 months old... still toddling
1034988;1424989179;asciilifeform;'and then he came home to find his family packed into a gasenwagen, and himself on a train to auschwitz, where he caught typhus in a week.' 'dude i'd so totally blog all that'
1034989;1424989189;BingoBoingo;Also there is a prominent prolly unrelated missouri politician name...
1034990;1424989194;BingoBoingo;;;google peter kinder
1034991;1424989195;gribble;Peter Kinder - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peter_Kinder>; Home | Missouri Lieutenant Governor Peter Kinder Official Web Site: <http://ltgov.mo.gov/>; Peter Kinder (@PeterKinder) | Twitter: <https://twitter.com/peterkinder>
1034992;1424989227;asciilifeform;obligatory >> http://xkcd.com/180/
1034993;1424989228;assbot;xkcd: Canada ... ( http://bit.ly/1vDtlTP )
1034994;1424989246;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform yup.
1034995;1424989265;mircea_popescu;i've never had typhus. have you ?
1034996;1424989273;asciilifeform;haven't gotten around to it yet
1034997;1424989309;asciilifeform;'and when we had nothing remaining to eat, they gave us a turnip, they gave us a beet. "here, have some mice, have some fleas! here, have some typhus! die of disease!"' - warsaw ghetto
1034998;1424989340;BingoBoingo;!s doormouse
1034999;1424989340;assbot;5 results for 'doormouse' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=doormouse
1035000;1424989353;mircea_popescu;tbh, i kinda look forward to being forcibly relieved of all sortsa responsibilities.
1035001;1424989381;asciilifeform;lol wut
1035002;1424989428;asciilifeform;'For the fact is that being inside a whale is a very comfortable, cosy, homelike thought. The historical Jonah, if he can be so called, was glad enough to escape, but in imagination, in day-dream, countless people have envied him. It is, of course, quite obvious why. The whale's belly is simply a womb big enough for an adult. There you are, in the dark, cushioned space that exactly fits you, with yards of blubber between yours
1035003;1424989428;asciilifeform;elf and reality, able to keep up an attitude of the completest indifference, no matter what happens. A storm that would sink all the battleships in the world would hardly reach you as an echo. Even the whale's own movements would probably be imperceptible to you. He might be wallowing among the surface waves or shooting down into the blackness of the middle seas (a mile deep, according to Herman Melville), but you would never
1035004;1424989429;asciilifeform;notice the difference. Short of being dead, it is the final, unsurpassable stage of irresponsibility.' (orwell's whale)
1035005;1424989432;asciilifeform;^ that ?
1035006;1424989512;BingoBoingo;!s mazes
1035007;1424989513;assbot;2 results for 'mazes' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=mazes
1035008;1424989552;BingoBoingo;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=26-02-2015#1034183 << The most alive I've felt recently was during a maintenance hallucination
1035009;1424989552;assbot;Logged on 26-02-2015 09:30:13; BingoBoingo: There were mazes, girls, low speed chases, shootouts, and orgies of celebration... Basically I dream in action movies
1035010;1424989590;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 81550 @ 0.00044186 = 36.0337 BTC [+]
1035011;1424989624;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform nah. more like nostalgia for an earlier, simpler, matasareanu-er time.
1035012;1424989640;asciilifeform;^
1035013;1424989650;*;asciilifeform would happily sign under that
1035014;1424989655;thestringpuller;if you poop in your dreams you poop for real
1035015;1424989658;nubbins`;^
1035016;1424989726;asciilifeform;what's a maintenance hallucination anyway ?
1035017;1424989739;BingoBoingo;Let's stop calling them dreams, tht word has been abused to death. Children "dream" of world peace. Real men have maintenance hallucinations
1035018;1424989754;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: REM sleep, particularly memorable bouts thereof
1035019;1424989784;asciilifeform;ru and other sane langs have separate words for the 'dreams of world peace' and the kind you have asleep
1035020;1424989800;asciilifeform;learn one.
1035021;1424989802;asciilifeform;problem phixed.
1035022;1424989804;asciilifeform;(TM)
1035023;1424989812;BingoBoingo;!b 7
1035024;1424989812;assbot;Last 7 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/278Y4M9.txt )
1035025;1424989828;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform has it.
1035026;1424989871;mircea_popescu;the actual us hitler (the nigger, whatever his name was, king something, the million brown MEN march on the capitol guy)'s thing is hilarious translated in romanian.
1035027;1424989879;mircea_popescu;"am un vis". well... so go to bed then ?
1035028;1424989931;BingoBoingo;lol, mlk jr/rev/doc
1035029;1424990081;BingoBoingo;Block 344666 sync'd
1035030;1424990181;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=26-02-2015#1034769 << like how ?
1035031;1424990181;assbot;Logged on 26-02-2015 21:07:24; nubbins`: mircea_popescu, maybe a poster campaign with a bit of cheekiness this time
1035032;1424990205;nubbins`;well, the last one was sort of a "look at this neat thing" approach
1035033;1424990230;nubbins`;next one: "look at these people doing it wrong"
1035034;1424990282;mircea_popescu;about 300 years worth of experience with printing show that negative pamphlets only work in dictatorships.
1035035;1424990293;mircea_popescu;unless it's "look at stalin sucking cock" it ain't worth printing.
1035036;1424990296;nubbins`;heh.
1035037;1424990298;nubbins`;yeah, fair
1035038;1424990306;mircea_popescu;the penthouse interview with the faloon prostitute a fine example.
1035039;1424990336;thestringpuller;mircea_popescu: but diss records work all the time. that's why biggie and tupac iz ded.
1035040;1424990353;nubbins`;thestringpuller he has a point
1035041;1424990371;nubbins`;for that matter, you do as well
1035042;1424990393;nubbins`;anyway, just thinkin out loud
1035043;1424990422;thestringpuller;it's like that episode fo the boondocks where they make a diss record about grandpa
1035044;1424990431;*;BingoBoingo offers Jan 2015 through Feb 12th 2015 all kind of OOM kills, none since
1035045;1424990435;thestringpuller;then all of a sudden people start beating up old people cause the song is dope
1035046;1424990436;*;BingoBoingo crosses fingers
1035047;1424990470;nubbins`;well anyway, that leftover money from the old posters is still sitting around
1035048;1424990471;thestringpuller;one kid says, "I like to beat up old people cause the song said it was cool to do." << i guess this also related to eminem controversies of the late 90's
1035049;1424990489;nubbins`;be nice to make use of it, for .foundation propaganda or otherwise
1035050;1424990504;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 84328 @ 0.00043987 = 37.0934 BTC [-] {2} 
1035051;1424990565;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10600 @ 0.00043882 = 4.6515 BTC [-]
1035052;1424990599;mircea_popescu;nubbins` leftover moneyz ?
1035053;1424990626;nubbins`;nod. idea was to pay rubes in big cities to print out cheap copies of same poster and paste em up
1035054;1424990642;nubbins`;after an exhaustive search, i found precisely one dude who said his nephew would do it
1035055;1424990662;nubbins`;and it was such a shit job i don't even know if i should describe it
1035056;1424990738;nubbins`;anyway, there's just over a bitcoin and a half there
1035057;1424990923;nubbins`;mildly (but only mildly) surprising that people will suck pennies out of a btc faucet all day, but literally walking around with a roll of packing tape is too much work for $15/hr
1035058;1424990933;mircea_popescu;i paid for this ?!
1035059;1424990972;*;nubbins` nods
1035060;1424990984;nubbins`;well, no.
1035061;1424990990;nubbins`;you paid for the 50 for what's his name
1035062;1424991008;nubbins`;then i printed another 50 to sell to forum rubes, with the express intention of the profit being used in this manner
1035063;1424991014;mircea_popescu;a, i was starting to think my accounting's as tight as the dod's.
1035064;1424991027;mircea_popescu;http://36.media.tumblr.com/b604ad019e65b96035959eabcc8af4df/tumblr_mx127rxlEo1s233qio1_500.jpg << for that tight, prison look.
1035065;1424991028;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1GyaRoW )
1035066;1424991499;BingoBoingo;;;bc,stats
1035067;1424991504;gribble;Current Blocks: 345307 | Current Difficulty: 4.668437631686029E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 346751 | Next Difficulty In: 1444 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 2 days, 21 hours, 22 minutes, and 11 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 46800172847.1 | Estimated Percent Change: 0.24804
1035068;1424991522;BingoBoingo;Awfully close to no change
1035069;1424991820;BingoBoingo;lol >> http://learnlispthehardway.org/book/3-21-0-lisp-machine/
1035070;1424991820;assbot;L(λ)THW     ... ( http://bit.ly/1GybM8Q )
1035071;1424992456;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 43950 @ 0.00042253 = 18.5702 BTC [-]
1035072;1424992517;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 123950 @ 0.00041841 = 51.8619 BTC [-]
1035073;1424993863;BingoBoingo;So when it comes to Schweich... Biggest bezzel controversy in MO right now is whether or not to build a new NFL stadium. Imma be pissed if that ends up having done him in.
1035074;1424993870;BingoBoingo;!up knotwork
1035075;1424993879;BingoBoingo;!up yhwh_
1035076;1424993937;BingoBoingo;My client has sync'd up to the point of no return, not enough blocks left to trigger an OOM kill
1035077;1424994042;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4100 @ 0.00041841 = 1.7155 BTC [-]
1035078;1424994964;BingoBoingo;;;ticker --market all
1035079;1424994972;gribble;Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 236.7, vol: 5485.67443858 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 231.002, vol: 6212.04634 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 236.92, vol: 18689.46373519 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 236.510392, vol: 85401.94810000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 239.63507, vol: 22.7135206 | Bitcoin-Central BTCUSD last: 237.265875, vol: 51.29906919 | Volume-weighted last average: 236.291054119
1035080;1424995384;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 65300 @ 0.00043686 = 28.527 BTC [+] {2} 
1035081;1424995713;mircea_popescu;wd bb
1035082;1424995773;cazalla;love reading a trilema where i know of the incident being discussed before it is named, heh
1035083;1424995824;cazalla;always figured those two guys watched heat a couple dozen times
1035084;1424996023;mircea_popescu;haha ya think ?
1035085;1424996034;mircea_popescu;this was 90s, might have been pre heat even
1035086;1424996138;thestringpuller;cazalla: like when he says to stop buying bitcoins while a buying frenzy happens?
1035087;1424996146;thestringpuller;but people still do it anyways.
1035088;1424996176;cazalla;mircea_popescu, heat came out in 95', hollywood shootout was two years later
1035089;1424996210;mircea_popescu;ah k
1035090;1424996217;mircea_popescu;dude it's been 20 years.
1035091;1424996257;cazalla;and yet news of that attempted bank heist stuck with me since i first of it back then
1035092;1424996267;cazalla;heard*
1035093;1424996449;BingoBoingo;So... /. just shitted up their UI
1035094;1424996449;BingoBoingo;Instead of promoting their beta to production they gave the shitty beta.slashdot rounded corners and are pretending it is still "classic"
1035095;1424996490;mircea_popescu;sigh.
1035096;1424996554;BingoBoingo;That, also is a contender for pushing Schweick over the edge
1035097;1424996580;BingoBoingo;!up Pierre_Rochard
1035098;1424996827;cazalla;mircea_popescu, on second thought.. wikipedia suggests they hit their first armoured car back in 93 so perhaps it is heat which copied them
1035099;1424996942;BingoBoingo;http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=7021623&cid=49143131
1035100;1424996943;assbot;The Only Constant is Change - Slashdot ... ( http://bit.ly/1zjCe0a )
1035101;1424996956;asciilifeform;http://qntra.net/2015/02/your-cellphone-is-a-tracking-device-that-relays-your-conversations-in-plaintext/#comment-11803 << for anyone who gives a fuck re: gsm
1035102;1424996957;assbot;Your Cellphone Is A Tracking Device That Relays Your Conversations In Plaintext | Qntra.net ... ( http://bit.ly/1zjChci )
1035103;1424996958;BingoBoingo;"I'm trying to come up with an apt description of how disappointing this "classic" redesign is and all I and all I can say is this morning everything was fine. Now it looks like some GNAA trolls mashed up the worst aspects of "classic" with the beta no one wanted."
1035104;1424997031;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 45502 @ 0.00041841 = 19.0385 BTC [-]
1035105;1424997186;BingoBoingo;Only unambiguous good news of the day, the NFL's war on runningbacks is tilting towards and NFL loss nao http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_slatest/2015/02/26/adrian_peterson_suspension_overturned_by_federal_judge.html
1035106;1424997187;assbot;Adrian Peterson suspension overturned by federal judge. ... ( http://bit.ly/1zjD119 )
1035107;1424997225;BingoBoingo;!up unbalanced
1035108;1424997333;BingoBoingo;Also... Gawker is so late on this story... compare http://newsfeed.gawker.com/do-not-use-turbotax-this-tax-season-1688222595/+jparham and http://qntra.net/2015/02/turbotax-stops-filing-state-tax-returns-due-to-massive-fraud/ 2 weeks for squaker to catch up
1035109;1424997334;assbot;Do Not Use TurboTax This Tax Season ... ( http://bit.ly/1BjhB9Z )
1035110;1424997335;assbot;TurboTax Stops Filing State Tax Returns Due To Massive Fraud | Qntra.net ... ( http://bit.ly/1Bjhyet )
1035111;1424997519;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14929 @ 0.00043809 = 6.5402 BTC [+]
1035112;1424997641;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 87671 @ 0.00044115 = 38.6761 BTC [+] {4} 
1035113;1424998394;BingoBoingo;Megalol, snowdenites as new "NRA" http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/politics/2015/02/edward_snowden_citizenfour_the_former_contractor_sparked_a_movement_that.html
1035114;1424998396;assbot;Edward Snowden Citizenfour: The former contractor sparked a movement that’s winning the surveillance argument. ... ( http://bit.ly/1zjGNYa )
1035115;1424998398;BingoBoingo;!up Asenath
1035116;1424998414;BingoBoingo;Hello Asenath welcome to #b-a
1035117;1424998449;Asenath;Thank you, I've been reading along for many weeks
1035118;1424998485;BingoBoingo;Cool, any specific-ish questions?
1035119;1424998540;Asenath;I could embarass myself by asking something pedestrian.
1035120;1424998556;BingoBoingo;Nah, that's how you learn what to read
1035121;1424998574;BingoBoingo;Then you read and ask question 2
1035122;1424998581;Asenath;Instead I think I will keep my own counsel for now and save the questions for when I gad dig in deep.
1035123;1424998608;Asenath;Yes, one invariably leads to another
1035124;1424998629;BingoBoingo;Asenath: Well on freenode you prolly want to pick up a cloak to avoid mystery DoS bot.
1035125;1424998643;BingoBoingo;Just go to #freenode and ask for a cloak
1035126;1424998643;Asenath;One thing I would like to learn more about is the building of the nodes.
1035127;1424998733;thestringpuller;Asenath: danielpbarron.com
1035128;1424998747;Asenath;Thanks for that
1035129;1424998749;thestringpuller;danielpbarron: documented everything perfectly.
1035130;1424998768;thestringpuller;you can reach him here or by twitter if you have any questions
1035131;1424998836;BingoBoingo;Asenath: Good to ask here though in case your question is novel if asked here on the record the solution can help others
1035132;1424999471;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 63057 @ 0.00042801 = 26.989 BTC [-]
1035133;1424999601;danielpbarron;Asenath, you mean the pogo? or just nodes in general?
1035134;1424999869;asciilifeform;danielpbarron: post it to the listserv
1035135;1424999884;asciilifeform;danielpbarron: ideally these things ought to be there
1035136;1425000020;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18343 @ 0.00042801 = 7.851 BTC [-]
1035137;1425000049;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: http://cryptome.org/2015/02/juraboev-complaint.pdf << mega-lol re: terrorist-creation
1035138;1425000117;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: Piece if it appears would be tomorrow at the earliest. Drinking to numb my body to the snow shoveling ahead of it tonight.
1035139;1425000144;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: have you considered leaving that snow where it is ?
1035140;1425000162;thestringpuller;asciilifeform: spoken like a true recluse...
1035141;1425000170;asciilifeform;hey it wurks for me
1035142;1425000183;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: Can't do that if I want to collect monopoly money from the neighbors.
1035143;1425000189;*;BingoBoingo is a cash busines
1035144;1425000197;asciilifeform;aha
1035145;1425000219;thestringpuller;BingoBoingo is also a certified hustler
1035146;1425000221;danielpbarron;!up Asenath
1035147;1425000279;asciilifeform;that indictment is riotously funny
1035148;1425000298;asciilifeform;usg found two clinically certifiable imbeciles and now they have 'terrorists' in the dock
1035149;1425000300;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: Summers I cut grass, parties I cut ass, and winter I shovel snow. All of the time though my records are an incoherent mess
1035150;1425000384;BingoBoingo;Fuck, this indictment is longer and lulzier than nearly all the darkmarket ones
1035151;1425000434;asciilifeform;it's pretty standard in that the 'dangerous terrorists' are just as obviously one or two notches above the iq level where one needs institutional care
1035152;1425000439;asciilifeform;as in most such cases
1035153;1425000456;BingoBoingo;So any asperging turrorists of the Islamist pursuasion "Hilofatnews.com" is a honeypot
1035154;1425000473;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: Just like the Padilla fellow and his buckets
1035155;1425000482;asciilifeform;does it matter to which honeypot they go ?
1035156;1425000485;asciilifeform;if imbeciles.
1035157;1425000516;asciilifeform;allah forbid they find a -working- weapon, will shoot wrong end towards enemy, somebody'll have to clean up their guts
1035158;1425000533;BingoBoingo;Seriously
1035159;1425000596;asciilifeform;their 'plan', to the extent one could use that word here, appears to have been - to shoot police at random, and then collect their gear, which which to repeat same, ad infinitum
1035160;1425000676;asciilifeform;every time i read a document like this (and they're all quite the same, as mircea_popescu observed all clinical material re: the criminally insane being much alike - or was that tlp?)
1035161;1425000690;BingoBoingo;I think they both covered this
1035162;1425000716;asciilifeform;i think of the folks who might have tried to go to the moon in balloons, or shooting selves out of cannons, in the past
1035163;1425000791;*;BingoBoingo for the record would never injure Obama lest he deprive Obama the instruments Obama set against himself and his legacy
1035164;1425000827;asciilifeform;and speaking of our hanging, where are the -thinking- terrorists ?
1035165;1425000843;asciilifeform;i, for one, will be quite disappointed to hang on the same gallows as these disgraceful excuses for 'public enemy'
1035166;1425000848;BingoBoingo;Waiting untile they can have a SLotin moment?
1035167;1425000884;BingoBoingo;i.e. screwdriver can only stop one
1035168;1425000924;BingoBoingo;The rest are prolly happy running all over Texarkana and the New California Republic
1035169;1425000938;asciilifeform;those aren't 'terrorists' properly speaking
1035170;1425000956;asciilifeform;but ordinary soldiers, of an army which doesn't officially exist
1035171;1425000967;asciilifeform;speaking here of proper terrorists.
1035172;1425001005;BingoBoingo;I really don't know if you can have a "proper terroritst" without some mental retardation
1035173;1425001029;asciilifeform;sure you can.
1035174;1425001037;asciilifeform;as described in mircea_popescu's 'nobody could have foreseen' essay;
1035175;1425001043;asciilifeform;or suvorov's 'spetsnaz';
1035176;1425001049;asciilifeform;or the novel 'stand on zanzibar';
1035177;1425001052;asciilifeform;or 10,000 other places.
1035178;1425001120;BingoBoingo;I'm not sure a wasp is actually a terrorist... seems more like a drunk cursed with work
1035179;1425001195;asciilifeform;a 'terrorist' for the purpose of this line of thought is anyone who is on track to being imprisoned by usg under charge of 'terrorism.'
1035180;1425001227;BingoBoingo;So unknowable until after the fact
1035181;1425001236;asciilifeform;not wholly unknowable
1035182;1425001264;BingoBoingo;The outer bounds are
1035183;1425001274;asciilifeform;i.e., if you were a fly on the wall (fly that speaks uzbek) where the two cretins had their conversations, you might be able to guess
1035184;1425001298;decimation;asciilifeform: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spetsnaz < apparently ru mil uses 'digital camo' now
1035185;1425001300;assbot;Spetsnaz - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ... ( http://bit.ly/1E1HKfE )
1035186;1425001317;asciilifeform;decimation: ru army copied even american boots not long ago
1035187;1425001320;asciilifeform;!s wrappings
1035188;1425001321;assbot;1 results for 'wrappings' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=wrappings
1035189;1425001333;asciilifeform;hm
1035190;1425001343;asciilifeform;!s leg wraps
1035191;1425001344;assbot;0 results for 'leg wraps' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=leg+wraps
1035192;1425001347;BingoBoingo;From my understanding of the inner bounds the hometown mayor recovering from a fall down the stairs and thoracic + cervical spine fractures is a likely turrorist candidate
1035193;1425001365;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=22-02-2015#1028969
1035194;1425001365;assbot;Logged on 22-02-2015 18:57:48; asciilifeform: phun phact: degenerating ru army recently moved to socks!
1035195;1425001365;decimation;!s foot wrap
1035196;1425001365;assbot;0 results for 'foot wrap' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=foot+wrap
1035197;1425001367;asciilifeform;^ thread
1035198;1425001382;decimation;aye.  apparently they just wanna be like everyone else
1035199;1425001411;decimation;supposedly the 'digital camo' is 'more effective' than past camo
1035200;1425001431;BingoBoingo;!up chatquack
1035201;1425001460;decimation;re: chromium plating weapons parts < I suspect that usg would do it if it were actually cost effective
1035202;1425001481;decimation;but the marginal benefit gained is probably not worth the cost of properly plating the weapon
1035203;1425001527;asciilifeform;cost doesn't seem a likely reason, imho. iirc, crew-served machine guns don't have chromed mechanicals either
1035204;1425001537;asciilifeform;mats? adlai?
1035205;1425001593;mats;lolno
1035206;1425001600;asciilifeform;if i had to guess, i'd imagine Cr cold-welds on impact with self, or something like that
1035207;1425001610;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: Thinking on it the smaller parts like the trigger group have the wrong kind of friction? If the plating wears unevenly catastrophic failure comes sooner than with paint?
1035208;1425001616;decimation;I wonder if it would flake?
1035209;1425001629;BingoBoingo;decimation: Can flake to an extent
1035210;1425001634;adlai;automated weaponry in the vulgar battalions is lubricated by the ash deposited from fired rounds
1035211;1425001638;BingoBoingo;Cold welding may happen
1035212;1425001667;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16713 @ 0.00041841 = 6.9929 BTC [-]
1035213;1425001693;mats;exactly
1035214;1425001695;adlai;"best practices" say that you don't want lots of this, but you need to continually fire for a long time without cleaning to get a jam from residue
1035215;1425001728;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 109637 @ 0.000416 = 45.609 BTC [-] {2} 
1035216;1425001733;BingoBoingo;Might be that plating makes the underlying metal fail in a different way
1035217;1425001739;adlai;(caveat: 'ime' encompasses only training and exercises, in all manner shitty physical conditions, but combat inevitably would be worse)
1035218;1425001810;BingoBoingo;Could also be something as stupid as "Chromium there would be shiny" when spotted de sodomizing gun
1035219;1425001843;decimation;the first "digital camo" was used by the waffen-ss http://camouflage.wikia.com/wiki/Flecktarnmuster_%28Flecktarn%29
1035220;1425001845;assbot;Flecktarnmuster (Flecktarn) - Camouflage Wiki ... ( http://bit.ly/1E1J8yS )
1035221;1425002000;BingoBoingo;19 blocks left
1035222;1425002026;BingoBoingo;Also... Fedora is really turning to shit since people abandoned it http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=Fedora-22-Alpha-Features
1035223;1425002027;assbot;The Tremendous Features Of Fedora 22 - Phoronix ... ( http://bit.ly/1E1JG7V )
1035224;1425002216;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20700 @ 0.00041548 = 8.6004 BTC [-]
1035225;1425002298;decimation;BingoBoingo: lol python3 is now standard
1035226;1425002308;BingoBoingo;decimation: Seriously
1035227;1425002326;decimation;but it has a new version of gnome turdware!
1035228;1425002371;decimation; heh and they are ditching yum
1035229;1425002397;BingoBoingo;Seriously yum was the only tolerable part of my breif flirtation with SUSE
1035230;1425002439;BingoBoingo;OH SHIT MY CLIENT IS FINALLY SYNC'd
1035231;1425002455;decimation;well apparently the yum author got hit by a bus or somethin
1035232;1425002465;BingoBoingo;PLS send weird transactions that might accidentaly forkchain nao.
1035233;1425002493;decimation;https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DNF_%28software%29 <"Perceived deficiencies of yum which DNF is intended to address include poor performance, high memory usage, and the slowness of its iterative dependency resolution."
1035234;1425002494;assbot;DNF (software) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ... ( http://bit.ly/1E1KQAi )
1035235;1425002590;BingoBoingo;!up starsoccer
1035236;1425002636;asciilifeform;meanwhile, in the world of sane folks,
1035237;1425002646;asciilifeform;'Due to the well-known fact that all compilers have bugs, it is the conventional wisdom of the safety critical community to avoid assuming that the generated object code is automatically correct. For instance, the approach taken in the avionics standard DO-178B is one of Design, Review and Test [DO-178B]. As far as practical, the review and test activities are undertaken at the object code level. Indeed, if the reliability req
1035238;1425002646;asciilifeform;uirements of Class 1 flight critical software (the most critical) are to be attained, every attempt must be made to detect errors induced by a compiler. This is expensive, but unavoidable given current technology. The pragma Reviewable applies to a partition so that the compiler can generate code to match special documentation thus permitting independent review of the object code. The following specific requirements apply...'
1035239;1425002653;asciilifeform;( http://www.adaic.org/resources/add_content/standards/95rat/rat95html/rat95-p3-h.html )
1035240;1425002654;assbot;Hypertext Ada 95 Rationale - Part Three - Chapter H ... ( http://bit.ly/1E1LeyH )
1035241;1425002682;asciilifeform;^ yes there are language primitives for helping to ease the pain of the fella who gets to read the disasm after you're done
1035242;1425002699;decimation;asciilifeform: that's interesting
1035243;1425002705;mats;dear god
1035244;1425002792;mats;that sounds expensive
1035245;1425002810;decimation;asciilifeform: it's an acknowledgement of the fact that you are living on an assembly machine
1035246;1425002847;asciilifeform;mats: know what else is expensive ?
1035247;1425002860;asciilifeform;'boeing' that falls down
1035248;1425002892;asciilifeform;or a bitcoinator that $insertcatastropicfailure
1035249;1425002990;*;BingoBoingo struggling to make gnat hello worls
1035250;1425002993;BingoBoingo;*world
1035251;1425003082;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: gnatmake hello.adb
1035252;1425003126;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: I'll give it a try within 24 hours.
1035253;1425003154;asciilifeform;with ada.text_io;
1035254;1425003154;asciilifeform;use  ada.text_io;
1035255;1425003154;asciilifeform;procedure hello is
1035256;1425003154;asciilifeform;begin
1035257;1425003154;asciilifeform;    put("Hello World");
1035258;1425003155;asciilifeform;end hello;
1035259;1425003170;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: May have to play with ksh configs. Had to do so to make python REPL work. SBCL REPL worked right after pkg_add
1035260;1425003175;decimation;there's a  pretty good tutorial here http://www.adatutor.com/
1035261;1425003176;assbot;Ada Tutorial and Free Ada Compilers ... ( http://bit.ly/1E1MDFu )
1035262;1425003192;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 66700 @ 0.00042052 = 28.0487 BTC [+] {2} 
1035263;1425003200;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: don't expect a repl, ada is a classical compiled thing like c or fortran
1035264;1425003237;BingoBoingo;!Up chatquack
1035265;1425003245;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: I understand that part
1035266;1425003265;BingoBoingo;Fortran 95 did its compile on this gcc
1035267;1425003274;BingoBoingo;2 weeks ago when tested.
1035268;1425003289;BingoBoingo;Installing/testing ada began today
1035269;1425003298;BingoBoingo;Not finished yet
1035270;1425003425;*;BingoBoingo working his way slowly though "C++ Today" his CSI 130+230 text to learn a language paradigm to reject
1035271;1425003430;asciilifeform;the 'rationale' chapter on oop system is interesting in that it cites the 'common lisp', c++, 'eiffel', 'smalltalk' standards materials, and expects that you are familiar with them and can understand a summary of differences
1035272;1425003459;asciilifeform;it is an immediate mindfuck to be confronted with a computing-related document written this way.
1035273;1425003486;asciilifeform;not something i've experienced since working with steele's 'common lisp the language'
1035274;1425003549;*;BingoBoingo needs to read MARC records were a stupid wast of a semester
1035275;1425003549;asciilifeform;among the books i can picture on the shelves at the great library of 'meta-nsa' - this tome surely has its place
1035276;1425003680;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 47400 @ 0.0004241 = 20.1023 BTC [+]
1035277;1425003711;decimation;http://librarytechnology.org/libraries/library.pl?id=4559
1035278;1425003713;assbot;NSA Library  -- United States -- National Security Agency  ... ( http://bit.ly/1E1O5HI )
1035279;1425003789;*;asciilifeform almost expected to see a catalogue
1035280;1425003853;BingoBoingo;Such links never show a catalogue.
1035281;1425003896;asciilifeform;https://www.nsa.gov/public_info/declass/records_management/ia_rds.pdf << funnily enough.
1035282;1425003901;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1E1Ozxu )
1035283;1425003901;asciilifeform;catalogue.
1035284;1425003932;asciilifeform;(doubtfully would be posted without hitler's approval, so take with grain of salt)
1035285;1425003949;BingoBoingo;<asciilifeform> https://www.nsa.gov/public_info/declass/records_management/ia_rds.pdf << funnily enough. << Not MARC cannot write to tape, not a catalogue
1035286;1425003949;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1E1OJVI )
1035287;1425004065;decimation;asciilifeform: have you ever read the 'rainbow books'?
1035288;1425004130;asciilifeform;http://cryptome.org/2014/10/nsa-eci-the-intercept-14-1010.pdf << crown jewels catalogue, purportedly, circa '03
1035289;1425004134;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1E1Pder )
1035290;1425004141;decimation;http://fas.org/irp/nsa/rainbow.htm
1035291;1425004142;assbot;Rainbow Series and Related Documents ... ( http://bit.ly/1E1PbDA )
1035292;1425004153;asciilifeform;decimation: well-known. but, personally never had occasion to.
1035293;1425004229;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6163 @ 0.00041548 = 2.5606 BTC [-]
1035294;1425004290;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20937 @ 0.00041156 = 8.6168 BTC [-]
1035295;1425004291;asciilifeform;and ^ answer to http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=09-02-2015#1013854
1035296;1425004291;assbot;Logged on 09-02-2015 20:57:01; mircea_popescu: asciilifeform again, wanting for the sake of wanting is no gooid. you gotta want something.
1035297;1425004396;BingoBoingo;!up nubbins`
1035298;1425004403;nubbins`;ty
1035299;1425004748;decimation;"LAWRENCE Look, Ali. Look! That's me. What colour  is it? That's me! And there's nothing I can do about it. ALI A man can do whatever he wants, you said. LAWRENCE He can, but he can't want what he wants.This is the stuff [his flesh] that decides what he wants."
1035300;1425004761;asciilifeform;incidentally,,
1035301;1425004763;asciilifeform;https://dattaz.fr/nsa/index.html
1035302;1425004765;assbot;NSA choice ... ( http://bit.ly/1E1QRwI )
1035303;1425004891;BingoBoingo;"A man chooses. A slave obeys."
1035304;1425004922;asciilifeform;^ unfortunately not actively updated
1035305;1425004959;asciilifeform;(e.g. contains no detail re: 'pendleton' and 'piedmont', the directorates-of-what-shall-we-do-about-pgp cited in earlier 'crown jewels' list)
1035306;1425005346;*;BingoBoingo downtime
1035307;1425005823;decimation;!down decimation
1035308;1425005877;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 48000 @ 0.00041289 = 19.8187 BTC [+]
1035309;1425005998;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 76618 @ 0.00040377 = 30.936 BTC [-] {2} 
1035310;1425006192;asciilifeform;https://github.com/openssl/openssl/tree/OpenSSL_1_0_1-stable/crypto/bn/asm << very interesting reading for connoisseurs
1035311;1425006193;assbot;openssl/crypto/bn/asm at OpenSSL_1_0_1-stable · openssl/openssl · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1Ae8RMV )
1035312;1425006253;asciilifeform;yes! asm-optimized routines for bignum get crapped out by perl scripts..
1035313;1425006264;asciilifeform;slept better without knowing this? too bad.
1035314;1425006332;*;asciilifeform not sure how many of those, if any, are enabled on typical build for respective system
1035315;1425006338;*;asciilifeform can't be bothered to find out
1035316;1425006425;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 77600 @ 0.00038926 = 30.2066 BTC [-] {2} 
1035317;1425007096;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 69364 @ 0.00038678 = 26.8286 BTC [-] {3} 
1035318;1425009405;adlai;;;ticker --market all
1035319;1425009411;gribble;Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 245.26, vol: 7494.30920734 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 243.567, vol: 8006.11503 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 251.33, vol: 18550.09634337 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 249.434075, vol: 74178.23820000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 242.06, vol: 35.53347757 | Bitcoin-Central BTCUSD last: 241.023435, vol: 55.43776109 | Volume-weighted last average: 249.029596627
1035320;1425010573;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 74500 @ 0.0003995 = 29.7628 BTC [+]
1035321;1425010634;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 78284 @ 0.00040596 = 31.7802 BTC [+] {2} 
1035322;1425010644;mircea_popescu;!up Asenath
1035323;1425010918;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=27-02-2015#1035162 <<< this actually wasn't rare, either.
1035324;1425010918;assbot;Logged on 27-02-2015 01:31:56; asciilifeform: i think of the folks who might have tried to go to the moon in balloons, or shooting selves out of cannons, in the past
1035325;1425010950;asciilifeform;not even impossible to think that it still happens.
1035326;1425011073;mircea_popescu;assbot: The Tremendous Features Of Fedora 22 << there's something very wrong with any software that reaches v 22.
1035327;1425011080;mircea_popescu;firefox has the same problem
1035328;1425011296;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=27-02-2015#1035305 << /me waves at the poor unfortunates whose impossible job this is.
1035329;1425011296;assbot;Logged on 27-02-2015 02:42:39; asciilifeform: (e.g. contains no detail re: 'pendleton' and 'piedmont', the directorates-of-what-shall-we-do-about-pgp cited in earlier 'crown jewels' list)
1035330;1425011312;*;asciilifeform pictures them waving back
1035331;1425011485;mircea_popescu;http://36.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lw1e24I4re1qaz8fmo1_1280.jpg somewhat related.
1035332;1425011487;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1JT7j62 )
1035333;1425011503;asciilifeform;lolwut
1035334;1425011521;asciilifeform;isthata ziptie?
1035335;1425011546;mircea_popescu;i dun think so
1035336;1425011549;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27125 @ 0.00040549 = 10.9989 BTC [-]
1035337;1425011793;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 44112 @ 0.00040884 = 18.0348 BTC [+] {3} 
1035338;1425012037;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 71700 @ 0.00040549 = 29.0736 BTC [-]
1035339;1425012098;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23148 @ 0.00040884 = 9.4638 BTC [+]
1035340;1425012159;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 63502 @ 0.00041382 = 26.2784 BTC [+] {2} 
1035341;1425012242;asciilifeform;http://rumpkernel.org << interesting
1035342;1425012243;assbot;Rump Kernels ... ( http://bit.ly/1FBCKvg )
1035343;1425012345;asciilifeform;^ or maybe not. seems like an elaborate rehash of '80s microkernel concept
1035344;1425012352;asciilifeform;but potentially useful for netbsd diddlers.
1035345;1425013806;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6504 @ 0.00040549 = 2.6373 BTC [-]
1035346;1425014050;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23496 @ 0.0004021 = 9.4477 BTC [-]
1035347;1425014906;mircea_popescu;http://www.contravex.com/2015/02/26/the-slaughtering-of-a-bull/ << aww poor pete.
1035348;1425014908;assbot;The slaughtering of a bull. | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski ... ( http://bit.ly/1G04hKh )
1035349;1425015270;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 81938 @ 0.0004021 = 32.9473 BTC [-] {2} 
1035350;1425016307;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 138050 @ 0.00040817 = 56.3479 BTC [+] {2} 
1035351;1425017588;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 119642 @ 0.00040135 = 48.0183 BTC [-] {2} 
1035352;1425017774;*;asciilifeform finds himself writing a netbsd kernel mod, has approximately same thoughts as fella who wakes up in 'dumpster' in a back alley, 'how i came to this sort of life' ?
1035353;1425018198;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 79700 @ 0.00041424 = 33.0149 BTC [+] {3} 
1035354;1425018808;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16293 @ 0.00040101 = 6.5337 BTC [-]
1035355;1425019784;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 116615 @ 0.00040093 = 46.7545 BTC [-] {2} 
1035356;1425020699;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 78200 @ 0.00039733 = 31.0712 BTC [-]
1035357;1425021980;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 44068 @ 0.00041363 = 18.2278 BTC [+] {2} 
1035358;1425023228;[]bot;Bet placed: 4.72435163 BTC for No on "Bitcoin to drop under $150 before April" http://bitbet.us/bet/1123/ Odds: 13(Y):87(N) by coin, 14(Y):86(N) by weight. Total bet: 17.00350855 BTC. Current weight: 88,977.
1035359;1425023566;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 74250 @ 0.0003979 = 29.5441 BTC [-]
1035360;1425024786;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 71511 @ 0.00039832 = 28.4843 BTC [+]
1035361;1425025701;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9350 @ 0.0003979 = 3.7204 BTC [-]
1035362;1425025762;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 32058 @ 0.00039733 = 12.7376 BTC [-]
1035363;1425026189;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 68045 @ 0.0004071 = 27.7011 BTC [+]
1035364;1425026921;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 81300 @ 0.0004071 = 33.0972 BTC [+]
1035365;1425027043;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 55900 @ 0.0004071 = 22.7569 BTC [+]
1035366;1425027714;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 48100 @ 0.00039733 = 19.1116 BTC [-]
1035367;1425028324;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 51136 @ 0.00039733 = 20.3179 BTC [-]
1035368;1425029239;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 61500 @ 0.000396 = 24.354 BTC [-] {3} 
1035369;1425029544;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 70262 @ 0.00039454 = 27.7212 BTC [-] {2} 
1035370;1425029605;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 202788 @ 0.00038612 = 78.3005 BTC [-] {5} 
1035371;1425031131;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 75750 @ 0.00038399 = 29.0872 BTC [-] {3} 
1035372;1425032045;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 39100 @ 0.00037398 = 14.6226 BTC [-] {2} 
1035373;1425033021;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 122950 @ 0.00037398 = 45.9808 BTC [-]
1035374;1425033724;cazalla;;;later tell vexual sorry, was afk
1035375;1425033725;gribble;The operation succeeded.
1035376;1425033997;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 51000 @ 0.00037437 = 19.0929 BTC [+]
1035377;1425035339;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 116100 @ 0.00037737 = 43.8127 BTC [+] {2} 
1035378;1425036437;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26524 @ 0.00037923 = 10.0587 BTC [+]
1035379;1425036498;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 300437 @ 0.00037863 = 113.7545 BTC [-] {4} 
1035380;1425036620;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 37945 @ 0.00037387 = 14.1865 BTC [-]
1035381;1425038084;cazalla;airgapped, you're gonna need a cloak
1035382;1425038305;cazalla;damn, Luke-Jr getting raped by /r/bitcoin
1035383;1425038504;thestringpuller;lol
1035384;1425038509;thestringpuller;time to bring up r/bitcoin
1035385;1425038513;thestringpuller;i'm so tiiiired
1035386;1425038781;danielpbarron;height=232713 vs height=193913
1035387;1425038787;cazalla;i tell ya, there is something more to having a piss in the fresh night air compared to using traditional toilet
1035388;1425038816;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 57559 @ 0.00040553 = 23.3419 BTC [+] {2} 
1035389;1425038877;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 47200 @ 0.00041374 = 19.5285 BTC [+] {2} 
1035390;1425038938;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12541 @ 0.00041509 = 5.2056 BTC [+]
1035391;1425040280;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 45750 @ 0.00037387 = 17.1046 BTC [-]
1035392;1425040402;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11300 @ 0.000381 = 4.3053 BTC [+]
1035393;1425041378;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 68100 @ 0.00037372 = 25.4503 BTC [-] {2} 
1035394;1425041683;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22137 @ 0.000381 = 8.4342 BTC [+]
1035395;1425041800;BingoBoingo;!up mogreen
1035396;1425042598;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 110113 @ 0.00038401 = 42.2845 BTC [+] {2} 
1035397;1425043064;jurov;!mpif
1035398;1425043065;assbot;BtcAlpha.com F.MPIF Tracker estimated NAV per share: 0.00021645 B (Total: 473.33 B). Delta: 1.44 B. Last trade for F.MPIF on MPEX was at 0.000206 BTC [+]
1035399;1425043135;jurov;;;calc 21645*1.01
1035400;1425043136;gribble;21861.45
1035401;1425043818;BingoBoingo;Power Ranger smackdown on Gavin https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/5835#issuecomment-76318668
1035402;1425043820;assbot;Optimize block validation code and block propagation speed by gavinandresen · Pull Request #5835 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1JUpR5U )
1035403;1425043940;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8050 @ 0.00038573 = 3.1051 BTC [+]
1035404;1425045393;BingoBoingo;!up CheckDavid
1035405;1425046746;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 49900 @ 0.00039708 = 19.8143 BTC [+]
1035406;1425047330;punkman;http://www.cnbc.com/id/102306617
1035407;1425047332;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1DZhxfX )
1035408;1425047379;punkman;"The hedge fund robots are winning again. That's a key lesson from 2014, when computer algorithm-led investing  produced stellar returns, beating most gut-driven human managers and  dramatically recovering most of their losses from 2011, 2012 and 2013."
1035409;1425047417;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 44050 @ 0.00037326 = 16.4421 BTC [-]
1035410;1425047493;mike_c;hehe.  four years and we've almost broken even?
1035411;1425047529;adlai;punkman: who's the antecedent of '<their> losses'?
1035412;1425047549;punkman;adlai: the robots?
1035413;1425047581;adlai;so much for the uprising
1035414;1425048088;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 66000 @ 0.00038187 = 25.2034 BTC [+]
1035415;1425048286;mike_c;google blinked.  http://www.bbc.com/news/technology-31659669
1035416;1425048286;assbot;BBC News - Google backs down over Blogger porn rule change ... ( http://bit.ly/1DZk0qU )
1035417;1425049064;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 100450 @ 0.00039165 = 39.3412 BTC [+]
1035418;1425049918;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18500 @ 0.0003943 = 7.2946 BTC [+]
1035419;1425049979;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28750 @ 0.00039493 = 11.3542 BTC [+]
1035420;1425051199;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 100450 @ 0.00039165 = 39.3412 BTC [-]
1035421;1425051260;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6650 @ 0.00038889 = 2.5861 BTC [-]
1035422;1425052480;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 54258 @ 0.00039838 = 21.6153 BTC [+] {2} 
1035423;1425052958;thestringpuller;cazalla: i tell ya, there is something more to having a piss in the << this. so much this. sometimes with nice bathroom available, I will go outside and pee in the woods late at night.
1035424;1425053334;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8402 @ 0.00040097 = 3.3689 BTC [+]
1035425;1425053355;*;adlai .o( do the bathrooms in Aurora have simulated breeze? )
1035426;1425053700;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 45050 @ 0.00040515 = 18.252 BTC [+] {2} 
1035427;1425053801;asciilifeform; benkay (~benkay@unaffiliated/benkay) has joined #bitcoin-assets << divorced ?
1035428;1425054005;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 144585 @ 0.00041278 = 59.6818 BTC [+] {2} 
1035429;1425054130;BingoBoingo;<asciilifeform>  benkay (~benkay@unaffiliated/benkay) has joined #bitcoin-assets << divorced ? << Could also be some old resurfacing as he dicks around with his bouncer
1035430;1425054143;*;BingoBoingo was going to refer to it as a bounder
1035431;1425054173;ben_vulpes;oi mate i don't dick around with bounders
1035432;1425054186;ben_vulpes;whaddaya take me for, some kind of poofy oz?
1035433;1425054193;mircea_popescu;Amour sacre de la Patri-e-e
1035434;1425054197;mircea_popescu;Conduis, soutiens nos bras vengeurs!
1035435;1425054217;ben_vulpes;asciilifeform: divorcing my bouncer.
1035436;1425054243;mircea_popescu;Libert�, Libert� ch�rie !
1035437;1425054245;mircea_popescu;Combats avec tes d�fenseurs.
1035438;1425054298;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: le jour de gloire est arriv� ?
1035439;1425054302;mircea_popescu;hehe not yet.
1035440;1425054306;asciilifeform;damn.
1035441;1425054317;mircea_popescu;still, checking up on everybody's atin.
1035442;1425054321;mircea_popescu;Latin*
1035443;1425054335;asciilifeform;l0ltin
1035444;1425054341;asciilifeform;!s dan quayle
1035445;1425054341;assbot;0 results for 'dan quayle' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=dan+quayle
1035446;1425054371;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 79536 @ 0.00040422 = 32.15 BTC [-] {2} 
1035447;1425054377;asciilifeform;http://www.bauer.uh.edu/rsusmel/Other/Quayle.htm
1035448;1425054378;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1LQC7jv )
1035449;1425054386;asciilifeform;'I was recently on a tour of Latin America, and the only regret I have was that I didn't study Latin harder in school so I could converse with those people.'
1035450;1425054392;mircea_popescu;lol
1035451;1425054528;ben_vulpes;http://lightning.network/lightning-network.pdf << scaling, sidechains, derpage.
1035452;1425054529;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1LQCXg7 )
1035453;1425054683;ben_vulpes;anyways for the record, feel free to query me at any time for a signature.
1035454;1425054728;thestringpuller;ben_vulpes: mpex already does this w/o being a derp
1035455;1425054771;ben_vulpes;thestringpuller: i really don't see what mpex has to do with freenode's swiss cheese.
1035456;1425054859;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8176 @ 0.00038889 = 3.1796 BTC [-]
1035457;1425055042;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 70990 @ 0.00038428 = 27.28 BTC [-] {2} 
1035458;1425055352;BingoBoingo;;;ticker
1035459;1425055353;gribble;Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 251.39, Best ask: 251.4, Bid-ask spread: 0.01000, Last trade: 251.42, 24 hour volume: 19729.73522319, 24 hour low: 235.54, 24 hour high: 256.02, 24 hour vwap: 248.820525917
1035460;1425055907;adlai;otc trading WoT with a couple order of magnitudes more nodes could make an excellent cryptohawala-done-right
1035461;1425056079;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26800 @ 0.00041512 = 11.1252 BTC [+] {2} 
1035462;1425056201;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 83417 @ 0.00041529 = 34.6422 BTC [+]
1035463;1425056307;thestringpuller;re: cryptohawala <<< I'm certain most of the L1 and L2 nodes have their local "crypto hawala" guy
1035464;1425056590;PeterL;BingoBoingo: in gpg article, 3rd paragraph, s/labels of on set of GUI buttons./labels of one sert of GUI buttons
1035465;1425056611;PeterL;bah, "one set"
1035466;1425056716;BingoBoingo;fxd
1035467;1425056797;BingoBoingo;lol mircea_popescu http://qntra.net/2015/02/gpg-criticism-reaches-new-low-as-use-cases-expand/#comment-11779
1035468;1425056798;assbot;GPG Criticism Reaches New Low As Use Cases Expand | Qntra.net ... ( http://bit.ly/1DhVIEE )
1035469;1425056861;mircea_popescu;uh.
1035470;1425056872;mircea_popescu;except i didn't, i sent the guy a comment on his blog, which he never published iirc
1035471;1425056877;mircea_popescu;wtf is with this guy.,
1035472;1425056964;BingoBoingo;"Knows how the world works"
1035473;1425056984;BingoBoingo;Unlike Putin
1035474;1425057051;BingoBoingo;Has expectations, ignores ettiquette, because ettiquette 2.0 depreceates all of version 1
1035475;1425057288;BingoBoingo;scoopbot -fetch
1035476;1425057397;BingoBoingo;http://qntra.net/2015/02/chinese-yuan-passes-australian-canadian-hong-kong-dollars-in-international-use/
1035477;1425057398;assbot;Chinese Yuan Passes Australian, Canadian, Hong Kong Dollars in International Use | Qntra.net ... ( http://bit.ly/1JVgsuW )
1035478;1425057903;BingoBoingo;"On Tuesday morning, Schweich confided in Post-Dispatch Editorial Page Editor Tony Messenger that he believed that John Hancock, the newly elected chairman of the Missouri Republican Party, had spread disinformation about Schweich�s religion. That topic was what Schweich wanted to discuss with reporters for the Post-Dispatch and the Associated Press Thursday." http://www.stltoday.com/news/local/crime-and-courts/auditor-schweich-
1035479;1425057904;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1DhZXQy )
1035480;1425057904;BingoBoingo;had-called-seeking-an-interview-just-before-his/article_879ddcd7-c997-5df3-bc61-39282c4f7434.html
1035481;1425057912;fluffypony;Leonard Nimoy died :(
1035482;1425057929;mircea_popescu;naturally ?
1035483;1425057952;fluffypony;yes
1035484;1425057963;fluffypony;end-stage chronic obstructive pulmonary disease
1035485;1425057963;BingoBoingo;SUre?
1035486;1425057969;mircea_popescu;eighty yo guy, mr spock.
1035487;1425057971;fluffypony;http://www.nytimes.com/2015/02/27/arts/television/leonard-nimoy-spock-of-star-trek-dies-at-83.html?_r=0
1035488;1425057973;assbot;Log In - The New York Times ... ( http://bit.ly/1Di0e65 )
1035489;1425059300;mircea_popescu;!up airgapped
1035490;1425059357;mike_c;give him a minute, he's transferring messages by QR code
1035491;1425059484;mircea_popescu;no rush
1035492;1425059557;mike_c;i was just poking a little fun at his nick :)  don't know him.
1035493;1425059593;mike_c;but if he is doing that, it would be awesome
1035494;1425059617;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 37557 @ 0.00041528 = 15.5967 BTC [-] {2} 
1035495;1425059678;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 51961 @ 0.0004172 = 21.6781 BTC [+] {2} 
1035496;1425060021;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=27-02-2015#1035415 < hah!
1035497;1425060021;assbot;Logged on 27-02-2015 14:44:46; mike_c: google blinked.  http://www.bbc.com/news/technology-31659669
1035498;1425060044;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 55300 @ 0.00041173 = 22.7687 BTC [-]
1035499;1425060068;mike_c;yeah, turns out they realized where their bread is buttered :)
1035500;1425060159;mircea_popescu;i can only imagine the gamergate bureaucrats that managed to push their "idea" through to the degree.
1035501;1425060405;BingoBoingo;!up nubbins`
1035502;1425060428;airgapped;hi there, got the message through the scaner :-)
1035503;1425060456;mircea_popescu;well done!
1035504;1425060457;airgapped;I'm new here
1035505;1425060472;mircea_popescu;take pics of the process put up on your blog ?
1035506;1425060481;mircea_popescu;like a detailed how to guide ?
1035507;1425060499;mircea_popescu;"this is the scanner, this is how much it cost, where you get it, this is so and so" ?
1035508;1425060516;airgapped;will do :-)
1035509;1425060639;airgapped;was reading logs, looks like you have a great time hanging out here...
1035510;1425060640;nubbins`;hi airgapped
1035511;1425060650;airgapped;nubbins`: hi
1035512;1425060654;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16824 @ 0.00041629 = 7.0037 BTC [+]
1035513;1425061061;adlai;no qntra on https://www.havelockinvestments.com/ "maintenance" yet?
1035514;1425061062;assbot;Havelock Investments ... ( http://bit.ly/1wv0d1Y )
1035515;1425061096;BingoBoingo;adlai: How long have they been down?
1035516;1425061152;adlai;!s havelock from:assbot
1035517;1425061153;assbot;67865 results for 'havelock from:assbot' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=havelock+from%3Aassbot
1035518;1425061176;adlai;been dead a week by now
1035519;1425061188;adlai;corpse starting to stink, neh? somebody gotta take this out
1035520;1425061246;BingoBoingo;adlai: You are welcome to write it up if you've been following it. Just following hovelcocks drama hasn't been a priority for me.
1035521;1425061425;nubbins`;;;seen topace
1035522;1425061425;gribble;topace was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 21 weeks, 0 days, 22 hours, 7 minutes, and 40 seconds ago: <topace> heh
1035523;1425061433;nubbins`;^ about sums it up
1035524;1425061625;nubbins`;adlai given their complete ignorance of basic security, it's probably all gone
1035525;1425061702;*;adlai thinks he sees their funds sitting rather still for the past few days
1035526;1425061914;nubbins`;https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=962431.msg10568985#msg10568985
1035527;1425061914;assbot;HAVELOCK INVESTMENTS - Site will be down for maintenance until further notice. ... ( http://bit.ly/1zmeNmP )
1035528;1425061924;nubbins`;they've been examining their logs for about a week now
1035529;1425061926;nubbins`;o.O
1035530;1425061997;BingoBoingo;!up ascii_field
1035531;1425062003;nubbins`;i literally cleared my forum inbox yesterday, or i'd be able to paste PMs between me and lightbox about the CSRF vulnerability that was on the live site for like a year
1035532;1425062069;nubbins`;literally, logged-in user clicks the wrong link, poof, everything gone
1035533;1425062088;nubbins`;too many literallys, but at least i'm using them correctly ;/
1035534;1425062156;thestringpuller;mircea_popescu: eighty yo guy, mr spock. << kirk is old af too
1035535;1425062250;thestringpuller;!up nubbins`
1035536;1425062441;BingoBoingo;https://archive.today/55m3Y
1035537;1425062442;assbot;***VodPonzi*** Invest your bitcointalk accounts and earn 20% activity!!!!1! ... ( http://bit.ly/1zmfYml )
1035538;1425062480;ascii_field;'mmm' !
1035539;1425062509;ascii_field;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=20-11-2014#929888
1035540;1425062509;assbot;Logged on 20-11-2014 17:06:13; mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo the correct angle there is to compare to MMM
1035541;1425062611;BingoBoingo;ascii_field: Being worked towards, need the right lol fiat story
1035542;1425062728;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15776 @ 0.00041629 = 6.5674 BTC [+]
1035543;1425062789;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31424 @ 0.0004173 = 13.1132 BTC [+]
1035544;1425062911;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 96200 @ 0.00041173 = 39.6084 BTC [-]
1035545;1425063399;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 79550 @ 0.0004173 = 33.1962 BTC [+]
1035546;1425063616;ascii_field;http://cryptome.org/2015/02/timothy-felix-miltz.pdf
1035547;1425063618;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1G0VUhB )
1035548;1425063704;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8669 @ 0.00041173 = 3.5693 BTC [-]
1035549;1425063765;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 70981 @ 0.00040963 = 29.0759 BTC [-]
1035550;1425064036;BingoBoingo;!up ascii_field
1035551;1425064054;ascii_field;http://dpaste.com/0YQNKTX.txt
1035552;1425064057;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1G0WID5 )
1035553;1425064059;ascii_field;^ de-turdified version
1035554;1425064094;ascii_field;continuation of thread: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=23-02-2015#1030833
1035555;1425064094;assbot;Logged on 23-02-2015 18:25:39; ascii_field: http://cryptome.org/2015/02/wapo-BillCaseyHoneyPot.htm << mega-trololol
1035556;1425064436;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 88569 @ 0.00040963 = 36.2805 BTC [-]
1035557;1425064621;ascii_field;epic lulz in the new one
1035558;1425065656;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10150 @ 0.00040138 = 4.074 BTC [-]
1035559;1425066179;BingoBoingo;!up ascii_field
1035560;1425066359;ascii_field;some reasonably specific claims in there
1035561;1425066366;ascii_field;re: satellite pics
1035562;1425066469;ascii_field;(grep for TRIPOD)
1035563;1425066580;ascii_field;'I'll EVEN SHARE UAC with you - hey - it's just 36 bytes and you're in - I'll say
1035564;1425066580;ascii_field;this - Cornell sure makes some FINE optics - and that baby will be up for - I
1035565;1425066580;ascii_field;THINK it's 2022 life span - only a handful of people got UAC - I helped burn it
1035566;1425066580;ascii_field;- so I have it - oh - the DANGERS of OUTSOURCING INTELLIGENCE to PRIVATE
1035567;1425066580;ascii_field;CONTRACTORS eh '
1035568;1425066937;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14250 @ 0.00040138 = 5.7197 BTC [-]
1035569;1425067564;ascii_field;BingoBoingo: http://cryptome.org/2015/02/pay-any-price-chapter-2.pdf << mega-lulz re: usg idiocy
1035570;1425068170;PeterL;!up ascii_field
1035571;1425068188;PeterL;!up hktud0
1035572;1425068462;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31128 @ 0.0003988 = 12.4138 BTC [-]
1035573;1425068767;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 142805 @ 0.00040145 = 57.3291 BTC [+] {2} 
1035574;1425069316;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 40517 @ 0.00040886 = 16.5658 BTC [+]
1035575;1425069609;BingoBoingo;ascii_field: lol, state secret is embarassment
1035576;1425069710;ascii_field;BingoBoingo: reads like a sad joke, no?
1035577;1425069718;ascii_field;BingoBoingo: but almost certainly genuine. remember Quadro Tracker ?
1035578;1425069723;ascii_field;!s Quadro Tracker
1035579;1425069724;assbot;0 results for 'Quadro Tracker' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=Quadro+Tracker
1035580;1425069728;ascii_field;;;google Quadro Tracker
1035581;1425069729;gribble;Quadro Tracker - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quadro_Tracker>; the Quadro Tracker - The Skeptic's Dictionary: <http://skepdic.com/quadro.html>; Quadro Crime Tracker - Sniggle.net: <https://sniggle.net/quadro.php>
1035582;1425069763;ascii_field;http://www.bloomberg.com/bw/articles/2013-07-11/in-iraq-the-bomb-detecting-device-that-didnt-work-except-to-make-money
1035583;1425069765;assbot;In Iraq, the Bomb-Detecting Device That Didn't Work, Except to Make Money - Businessweek ... ( http://bit.ly/1vH0JJv )
1035584;1425069770;BingoBoingo;It really does. I remember other products in the quadrotracker vein
1035585;1425069781;BingoBoingo;^ That bomb dowser I do remember
1035586;1425069784;ascii_field;'The Tracker consisted of a handheld unit, with an antenna mounted on a plastic handgrip, and a belt-mounted box slightly smaller than a VHS cassette, built to contain “carbo-crystallized” software cards programmed, Quattlebaum said, with the specific frequency of whatever the user wished to find. No batteries were necessary. The Tracker was powered by the static electricity created by the operator’s own body;
1035587;1425069784;ascii_field; when it found what it was looking for, the antenna automatically turned to point at its quarry. Prices for the device varied from $395 for a basic model to $8,000 for one capable of locating individual human beings, which required a Polaroid photograph of the person to be loaded into the programming box. Quadro’s golf ball-finding variant, the Gopher, was available by mail order for just $69.'
1035588;1425069791;ascii_field;^ quoted for the lulzrecord
1035589;1425069832;ascii_field;but i'll note that the traditional interpretation of this story ('look how gullible is usg') is nonsense
1035590;1425069841;ascii_field;it's a meritwash/laundry
1035591;1425069860;danielpbarron;it had me until "Polaroid"
1035592;1425069864;ascii_field;you and i, if we were to try to sell usg a divination rod, would get laughed out
1035593;1425069875;ascii_field;not even to jail - to psych ward
1035594;1425069901;ascii_field;the racket is open to 'favourite sons' exclusively.
1035595;1425069941;danielpbarron;!up shesek
1035596;1425070022;BingoBoingo;!up ascii_field
1035597;1425070232;ascii_field;http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-c3bArSAZS24/Ux7WKDsNMAI/AAAAAAAAAzI/r0BLNt7FE8Y/s1600/MEXD+brochure+A4_1.jpg
1035598;1425070233;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1vH2eaz )
1035599;1425070597;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 54871 @ 0.00040921 = 22.4538 BTC [+]
1035600;1425071121;danielpbarron;sata: height=233739  usb3: height=233591
1035601;1425071207;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 121892 @ 0.0004045 = 49.3053 BTC [-] {2} 
1035602;1425072132;BingoBoingo;!up ascii_field
1035603;1425074009;BingoBoingo;!up ascii_field
1035604;1425074745;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 44000 @ 0.00040331 = 17.7456 BTC [-]
1035605;1425076697;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 62650 @ 0.00040319 = 25.2599 BTC [-]
1035606;1425077307;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26550 @ 0.00040319 = 10.7047 BTC [-]
1035607;1425077411;[]bot;Bet placed: 4 BTC for No on "Bitcoin to drop under $150 before April" http://bitbet.us/bet/1123/ Odds: 9(Y):91(N) by coin, 10(Y):90(N) by weight. Total bet: 24.00350855 BTC. Current weight: 87,048.
1035608;1425077412;[]bot;Bet placed: 3 BTC for No on "Bitcoin to drop under $150 before April" http://bitbet.us/bet/1123/ Odds: 9(Y):91(N) by coin, 10(Y):90(N) by weight. Total bet: 24.00350855 BTC. Current weight: 87,048.
1035609;1425077856;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24250 @ 0.00040322 = 9.7781 BTC [+] {2} 
1035610;1425077934;gabriel_laddel;.furrybait
1035611;1425078194;wtfbot;http://fc06.deviantart.net/fs38/i/2008/345/6/4/Very_Sad_Dog_by_IElioI.jpg
1035612;1425078195;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1FH8VcH )
1035613;1425078588;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 42292 @ 0.00040659 = 17.1955 BTC [+] {2} 
1035614;1425078632;danielpbarron;You are blocked from following @semanticist and viewing @semanticist's Tweets. Learn more   << racking up cool points :D
1035615;1425078928;thestringpuller;lol is that the twitter version squelch?
1035616;1425079503;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 50614 @ 0.00041026 = 20.7649 BTC [+]
1035617;1425079754;cazalla;for anyone that recalls shrem's attempt to lure investors into a scheme last month.. it already shut.. weeks ago https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=906838.msg10370543#msg10370543
1035618;1425079755;assbot;-- CLOSED -- ActionCrypto.com Options Signature Campaign*Earn 0.10 btc ... ( http://bit.ly/1FHfkEE )
1035619;1425080053;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 76359 @ 0.00040906 = 31.2354 BTC [-] {2} 
1035620;1425080174;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 65300 @ 0.00039664 = 25.9006 BTC [-]
1035621;1425080626;BingoBoingo;!up Stunna
1035622;1425080634;BingoBoingo;Hello Stunna
1035623;1425080708;Stunna;hey
1035624;1425080733;BingoBoingo;What brings you around these parts this fine time of day?
1035625;1425080762;Stunna;not much, just started using IRC again recently
1035626;1425080883;BingoBoingo;Cool, you are the prime dice guy right?
1035627;1425080932;Stunna;yup
1035628;1425081003;BingoBoingo;Stunna: Is there a public key available from which you could sign a message establishing this?
1035629;1425081020;BingoBoingo;If there is that would be super
1035630;1425081071;Stunna;I can't do that at the moment, you could message me on bitcointalk though for the time being
1035631;1425081109;Stunna;https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=81292
1035632;1425081110;assbot;View the profile of Stunna ... ( http://bit.ly/1FHkDUA )
1035633;1425081131;BingoBoingo;Stunna I prefer not to send any text through bitcointalk given Theymos's behavior these past two years. It's fine though if you might be able to do it later.
1035634;1425081199;Stunna;refresh my profile
1035635;1425081205;Stunna;and view "other contact info"
1035636;1425081227;BingoBoingo;Oh, hai
1035637;1425081232;gabriel_laddel;BingoBoingo: yo
1035638;1425081240;gabriel_laddel;BingoBoingo: do you have a btc address handy?
1035639;1425081253;BingoBoingo;gabriel_laddel: For what purpose?
1035640;1425081255;gabriel_laddel;I want to try sending you some coin from the account I just put together on prime dice
1035641;1425081263;gabriel_laddel;which took all of like 11 seconds
1035642;1425081328;gabriel_laddel;Stunna: are you seriously giving away btc?
1035643;1425081351;danielpbarron;lol @ "check my bitcointalk for auth"
1035644;1425081371;gabriel_laddel;danielpbarron: same question I just posed to BingoBoingo
1035645;1425081377;gabriel_laddel;danielpbarron: got an account handy?
1035646;1425081378;BingoBoingo;gabriel_laddel: The thing is I don't like doing the escrow thing. To discourage that I charge too much to make the choice of myself as an escrow economical
1035647;1425081410;gabriel_laddel;BingoBoingo: No escrow
1035648;1425081428;BingoBoingo;danielpbarron: It isn't absolute, but it is enough to lend me to believe his is credibly atm who he says
1035649;1425081447;gabriel_laddel;BingoBoingo: he appears to be giving away free bitcoin, and all you have to do to get an account is supply and IP and a stupid little "read the letters thing"
1035650;1425081457;danielpbarron;it's just funny what the rest of the world thinks is a reasonable identification
1035651;1425081457;gabriel_laddel;that I know can be solved by an OCR program running on my pc right now
1035652;1425081464;BingoBoingo;gabriel_laddel: As I understand it now you are totally requesting and escrow service where I would have to recieve BTC on your behalf
1035653;1425081484;gabriel_laddel;BingoBoingo: not on my behalf, for free
1035654;1425081489;gabriel_laddel;BingoBoingo: from an account I  just made
1035655;1425081493;BingoBoingo;gabriel_laddel: Phree
1035656;1425081500;gabriel_laddel;BingoBoingo: whatever.
1035657;1425081502;danielpbarron;i gave him my MEAT trading address :D
1035658;1425081521;gabriel_laddel;danielpbarron: ty.
1035659;1425081540;gabriel_laddel;danielpbarron: and there we go, he only let's you pull yout over 0.001 BTC
1035660;1425081593;Stunna;The amount given away is pretty minimal due to botters
1035661;1425081601;BingoBoingo;Stunna's been running his dice thing for quite some time. Never used it, but its enough to open an opportunity to interpret what he is doin charitably.
1035662;1425081608;Stunna;we give people a significant amount more if they've wagered one coin though
1035663;1425081622;Stunna;and it progresses as a user wagers more and gains levels
1035664;1425081637;gabriel_laddel;Stunna: This is why I was asking. Google's OCR will solve your CAPCHA.
1035665;1425081647;gabriel_laddel;and generating names is... easy.
1035666;1425081652;*;BingoBoingo not really a dice person. More into event betting.
1035667;1425081656;asciilifeform;sucker bait?
1035668;1425081669;*;asciilifeform must've logged in through the box connected to time warp modem, to 2011
1035669;1425081701;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: I checked. No sub $31 BTC to be had today
1035670;1425081723;asciilifeform;the sucker bait's $0
1035671;1425081729;asciilifeform;so technically - false
1035672;1425081735;Stunna;gabriel_laddel: yup it definitely could
1035673;1425081735;BingoBoingo;Ah
1035674;1425081813;Stunna;You wouldn't make enough to be worth your while though on fresh accounts
1035675;1425081829;Stunna;and all the high leveled accounts that bot it end up getting banned
1035676;1425081876;*;gabriel_laddel is confused as to why anyone would play dice online
1035677;1425081888;*;asciilifeform likewise confused
1035678;1425081954;BingoBoingo;gabriel_laddel asciilifeform: Our confusion is Chinese recreation
1035679;1425081993;BingoBoingo;When just dice was a thing, the Chicoms loved it
1035680;1425082003;gabriel_laddel;;; ud Chinese recreation
1035681;1425082004;gribble;http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Parks+and+Recreation | Cast includes Amy Poelher, Nick Offerman, Aziz Ansari etc. Guy 1: What are you watching? Guy 2: Just watching the best show ever Parks and Recreation.
1035682;1425082076;BingoBoingo;Stunna: What's your read on the Micon/Poker business?
1035683;1425082076;danielpbarron;not usually a fan of TV, but I do like that show ^
1035684;1425082109;Stunna;I talked to him via PM briefly, what he said happened definitely seems genuine
1035685;1425082119;Stunna;he's working on his new site
1035686;1425082177;BingoBoingo;Amazing how the US is going to shit isn't it.
1035687;1425082177;assbot;AMAZING COMPANY!
1035688;1425082242;asciilifeform;http://www.aif.ru/society/law/1457211 << lulz. seven citizens of spain who fought for ua rebels and returned home - arrested for 'violating the neutrality of spain' and 'violation of sovereign nation'
1035689;1425082244;assbot;В Испании прошли облавы на участников войны в Донбассе | Право | Общество | Аргументы и Факты ... ( http://bit.ly/1FHp3uI )
1035690;1425082272;asciilifeform;the first, article claims, such arrest in europe.
1035691;1425082283;asciilifeform;especially funny that - spain.
1035692;1425082302;BingoBoingo;Well, Franco was a trendsetter
1035693;1425082336;asciilifeform;iirc sp technically never made peace with ru.
1035694;1425082399;gabriel_laddel;The daughters Schwartz were walking home, and see a sign "Become Catholic, receive $50"
1035695;1425082431;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: If your shiva hands have time to do a quick irony piece... qntra...
1035696;1425082433;gabriel_laddel;Eliana: Wow, 50! Let's try it out
1035697;1425082463;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: hard to stretch that to fit qntra news theme, methinks
1035698;1425082489;gabriel_laddel;* Eliana enters the church while Abigail waits outside. *
1035699;1425082500;gabriel_laddel;Eliana returns. "Well did it work?"
1035700;1425082517;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: With your standards for blog text probably would be hard to stretch it into something satisfying you as an author.
1035701;1425082555;BingoBoingo;Just hard to say what one thinks of the prior day's destractions when they wake the next day.
1035702;1425082557;gabriel_laddel;"Nope. All he did was sprinkle some holy water on me and say 'your father in heaven accepts you. Amen'"
1035703;1425082569;gabriel_laddel;"Well did you get the $50?"
1035704;1425082589;gabriel_laddel;Eliana: "All you jews think about is money!"
1035705;1425082782;*;BingoBoingo still thinks of BTC related use for numbers station
1035706;1425082898;BingoBoingo;;;later tell gabriel_laddel Maybe consider less descriptive quit messages?
1035707;1425082898;gribble;The operation succeeded.
1035708;1425082924;danielpbarron;he didn't quit
1035709;1425083011;BingoBoingo;danielpbarron: CLient did, apparently violently
1035710;1425083016;BingoBoingo;!up Stunna
1035711;1425083018;Stunna;sorry, on very lousy internet
1035712;1425083039;BingoBoingo;Stunna: Some asshole has a DoS bot running
1035713;1425083045;danielpbarron;he is still connected to freenode
1035714;1425083078;BingoBoingo;* gabriel_laddel [redated] has left #bitcoin-assets ("Killed buffer")
1035715;1425083092;Stunna;BingoBoingo: don't think it's related to that, the internet I've been using past few days has been dying on me every 20mins or so
1035716;1425083108;BingoBoingo;Stunna: Ah,
1035717;1425083214;BingoBoingo;!up gabriel_laddel
1035718;1425083265;gabriel_laddel;ty
1035719;1425083285;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 132105 @ 0.00039848 = 52.6412 BTC [+]
1035720;1425083286;BingoBoingo;Optimization problems http://pipeline.corante.com/archives/2015/02/27/pains_and_good_old_med_chem.php#1663951
1035721;1425083287;assbot;PAINs And Good Old Med Chem. In the Pipeline:  ... ( http://bit.ly/1FHsUrD )
1035722;1425083351;BingoBoingo;"How about thalidamide? Thalidamide appears inactive in NCI-60 screens and appears to fail to inhibit angiogensis in in vitro screen. Thalidamide tested in vivo, however, significantly inhibits tumor growth in xenograft models that use multiple myeloma, esophageal squamous cell carcinoma, lung cancer, cervical cancer, and melanoma. Thalidamide when dosed in combo with bevacizumab and docetaxel showed remarkable efficacy in phase I
1035723;1425083352;BingoBoingo;I trials." ^
1035724;1425083665;BingoBoingo;Probably my favorite blog comment in history http://www.loper-os.org/?p=1390&cpage=1#comment-8472
1035725;1425083667;assbot;Loper OS » Of Decaying Urbits. ... ( http://bit.ly/1FHudH2 )
1035726;1425083834;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 41500 @ 0.00039706 = 16.478 BTC [-] {2} 
1035727;1425083997;mike_c;what a scam.  i lost my free 200 satoshis on the first roll
1035728;1425084039;mike_c;Stunna: that must be working for you.  genius idea.
1035729;1425084249;mike_c;omg. and you're getting some back from ads.  fricking genius.
1035730;1425084321;Stunna;mike_c: A very very small amount back
1035731;1425084362;mike_c;yeah, but, it's only 200 satoshis.  Is that method working for you guys? not sure how long you've been doing the faucet.
1035732;1425084378;Stunna;It's 200 satoshis until you've wagered 1BTC
1035733;1425084384;Stunna;as an anti-bot measure, then it steps up quite considerably
1035734;1425084389;Stunna;as you gain levels
1035735;1425084408;mike_c;even still.  just letting people play without having to deposit first seems like a great idea.
1035736;1425084419;mike_c;by the time you lose it, you're maybe hooked.
1035737;1425084620;BingoBoingo;Seems like a way to keep people playing a game where "advanced" play is simply botting your balance to 0 faster. Honest stuff.
1035738;1425084661;mike_c;;;calc (2 / 1000) - (.000002 * [ticker --last])
1035739;1425084662;gribble;0.001494
1035740;1425084691;mike_c;^ 200 satoshis is worth less than an ad view at $2 cpm
1035741;1425084699;mike_c;so it's like, free to give away
1035742;1425084776;BingoBoingo;Basically it seems. Changetip territory
1035743;1425084821;mircea_popescu;hmmm anyone want josh-zerlan.com ?
1035744;1425084828;mircea_popescu;i guess nobody gives a shit about bfl anymore huh
1035745;1425085151;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: Aren't they liquidating on craigslist?
1035746;1425085364;*;BingoBoingo trying to drunkwatch the newly public domain citizenfour
1035747;1425085389;mircea_popescu;i dunno lol
1035748;1425085395;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: for extra lulz, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ugx-2tZgVJs
1035749;1425085396;assbot;Nakam - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1BomNtc )
1035750;1425087362;BingoBoingo;lol, snowden with the blanket over the head
1035751;1425087478;BingoBoingo;lol fire alarm
1035752;1425087946;BingoBoingo;Per the film Snowden was fingered much earlier than news stories suggest
1035753;1425088210;trinque;!v deedbot-
1035754;1425088210;assbot;Invalid verfication string.
1035755;1425088216;trinque;erp
1035756;1425088218;trinque;!up d9b4bef9
1035757;1425088223;asciilifeform;http://blog.adacore.com/tetris-in-spark-on-arm-cortex-m4
1035758;1425088225;assbot;Tetris in SPARK on ARM Cortex M4 - The AdaCore Blog ... ( http://bit.ly/1FHKyeU )
1035759;1425088225;trinque;god damn it :p
1035760;1425088229;trinque;!up deedbot-
1035761;1425088234;trinque;deedbot-: add-key http://dpaste.com/0ADRZ22.txt
1035762;1425088235;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1FHKBHB )
1035763;1425088236;deedbot-;imported: FC66C0C5D98C42A1D4A98B6B42F9985AFAB953C4
1035764;1425088268;trinque;deedbot-: add-deed http://dpaste.com/383KC8G.txt
1035765;1425088269;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1FHKH1L )
1035766;1425088269;deedbot-;accepted: 1
1035767;1425088272;trinque;^ demo
1035768;1425088290;trinque;uploads to http://deedbot.org
1035769;1425088291;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1FHKJXx )
1035770;1425088445;trinque;https://blockchain.info/address/1BkCTj36DMdcF8TVa1by9zfwdcMFm3VAES << note the unconfirmed txn
1035771;1425088447;assbot;Bitcoin Address 1BkCTj36DMdcF8TVa1by9zfwdcMFm3VAES ... ( http://bit.ly/1FHLkZi )
1035772;1425088466;trinque;if anyone wants to eyeball that and give feedback, please do
1035773;1425088478;trinque;provided this is doing what's desired I'll cron job the publishing part
1035774;1425088493;asciilifeform;http://www.tc.umn.edu/~puk/tetris.txt << from comments, tetris in traditional ada
1035775;1425088494;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1FHLujf )
1035776;1425088494;trinque;other than that, I need to build the part that announces the new bundle link in here
1035777;1425088522;cazalla;so i made a bitbet under the influence and couldn't fund it until later, i assume 0 conf address listed for it in /propositions/ is the address of which i need to fund?
1035778;1425088524;trinque;and now that bundle is published
1035779;1425088534;trinque;http://deedbot.org/345476-1BmCmRjEcKCdJ7AywLPTv9zsHti4n6Gs2a.txt
1035780;1425088535;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1FHLDTS )
1035781;1425088590;trinque;I also need to automate it being aware of having been sent new funds; it keeps its own count
1035782;1425088592;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 90950 @ 0.00041108 = 37.3877 BTC [+]
1035783;1425088615;trinque;so I have to insert new funding txns into its transaction table
1035784;1425088714;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5604 @ 0.00040829 = 2.2881 BTC [-]
1035785;1425089061;trinque;asciilifeform: looks a lot like plpgsql
1035786;1425089087;trinque;I'm sure the relationship goes the other way round
1035787;1425089152;*;asciilifeform entirely innocent of above, cannot comment
1035788;1425089161;*;asciilifeform notes that ada draft dates to '79
1035789;1425089165;asciilifeform;iirc.
1035790;1425089193;BingoBoingo;!up chatquack
1035791;1425089208;BingoBoingo;Greenwald and hour in totally has shitgnome smell
1035792;1425089238;trinque;asciilifeform: oracle squeezed out plsql in 91
1035793;1425089258;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: they used the real one ?!
1035794;1425089298;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: Appears to be actual HK snowden tape for much of the film
1035795;1425089322;*;asciilifeform for some reason thought it was a hollywood production
1035796;1425089325;trinque;greenwald has that smug sjw vibe to him
1035797;1425089346;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: Seems to be actual documentary
1035798;1425089373;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: Pins snowden as suspected well before unveilling
1035799;1425089396;trinque;BingoBoingo: you think snowden's an act?
1035800;1425089424;BingoBoingo;trinque: Not snowden, watching film as presented Greenwald probably an act
1035801;1425089444;trinque;how so?
1035802;1425089470;BingoBoingo;trinque: Public domain because court. Torrent at leisure
1035803;1425089477;trinque;yeah I watched it
1035804;1425089492;trinque;just curious as to what you think greenwald's upt o
1035805;1425089510;trinque;snowden looked genuinely flushed with fear at the fire alarm
1035806;1425089513;trinque;hard to fake
1035807;1425089528;asciilifeform;up to << sitting on the docs pile ?
1035808;1425089550;asciilifeform;like other bipedal turds (e.g., schneier)
1035809;1425089558;trinque;mmm, he could be the guy limiting the hang-out?
1035810;1425089587;asciilifeform;everyone with access to the goods who hasn't dumped them to public unredacted and whole is ipso facto part of that set.
1035811;1425089594;BingoBoingo;trinque: Snowden seemed panic'd Greenwald seemed something other.
1035812;1425089625;trinque;could be
1035813;1425089629;*;BingoBoingo not finished with film
1035814;1425089686;BingoBoingo;Yet
1035815;1425089699;BingoBoingo;Greenwald jsut seems stressed at the wrong times
1035816;1425089940;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: what reason is there to think that the film is of actual events ?
1035817;1425089992;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: The part where snowden seems aspie clumsie as opposed to trained actor clumsy suggests this just might be historical snowden
1035818;1425090009;trinque;flushing with fear on command is to my knowledge not possible
1035819;1425090013;asciilifeform;as if one can't get arbitrarily clumsy theatre student
1035820;1425090053;asciilifeform;trinque: point an actual loaded rifle at the actor. optionally, fire over his head. was actually done in su on at least one film set
1035821;1425090056;trinque;snowden could've been handled the whole way
1035822;1425090062;trinque;!up deedbot-
1035823;1425090070;trinque;asciilifeform: true
1035824;1425090084;asciilifeform;(naturally, in a scene where this is not expected, and out of edge of camera)
1035825;1425090121;trinque;ultimately this functions very well, constructed or not, right?
1035826;1425090133;trinque;there was some "big leak" recently that stank of intelligence agency
1035827;1425090154;trinque;obviously a new channel through which to broadcast that which must be assumed to be true, because it's "leaked!"
1035828;1425090164;*;BingoBoingo is leaning towards authentic on the accumulation of amateurisms actor and camera.
1035829;1425090211;asciilifeform;new channel << lol!
1035830;1425090212;asciilifeform;!s hangout
1035831;1425090213;assbot;42 results for 'hangout' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=hangout
1035832;1425090241;trinque;asciilifeform: I mean the social news cycle fad "leak" is now established
1035833;1425090247;asciilifeform;the 'new' dates to at least... richelieu.
1035834;1425090269;trinque;sure, I guess I was talking about in the context of modern US politics
1035835;1425090270;BingoBoingo;Film definitely points to a leak in the hotel room
1035836;1425090271;trinque;but you're right
1035837;1425090921;BingoBoingo;!up nanotube
1035838;1425091013;BingoBoingo;Hour 20 so in Guardian censors shown at work
1035839;1425091026;asciilifeform;the living ones ?
1035840;1425091035;asciilifeform;filmed with what, arse cam ?
1035841;1425091167;BingoBoingo;appears to have been flattering arse cam "heroic angle" edition
1035842;1425091373;asciilifeform;http://docs.adacore.com/spark2014-docs/html/ug/getting_started.html << interesting simple example
1035843;1425091374;assbot;1. Getting Started with SPARK — SPARK 2014 Toolset User's Guide 16.0.0w documentation ... ( http://bit.ly/1Ak5e87 )
1035844;1425091398;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 48000 @ 0.0004082 = 19.5936 BTC [-] {2} 
1035845;1425091887;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 74550 @ 0.00040227 = 29.9892 BTC [-] {2} 
1035846;1425091887;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: wanna write the first provably-correct pgp ?
1035847;1425091904;ben_vulpes;asciilifeform: when did you become a fan of provably anything software?
1035848;1425091911;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: It would be at least a couple years out
1035849;1425091954;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: i've historically been a skeptic of 'provably' whatevers, because the required furniture, in my experience, never failed to interfere with 'fits in head' - and the promised are often overblown
1035850;1425091964;asciilifeform;*promises
1035851;1425091994;asciilifeform;but so long as your expectations are realistic, something like what's described in earlier link (an excruciatingly-fascist subset of ada) doesn't hurt
1035852;1425092017;ben_vulpes;excruciating subset doesn't hurt?
1035853;1425092034;asciilifeform;well, stops hurting after your arse dilates to fit
1035854;1425092041;ben_vulpes;paha.
1035855;1425092055;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: Looking like might be necessary
1035856;1425092081;asciilifeform;i can't recommend this for 'tetris' (that was a homework)
1035857;1425092097;asciilifeform;but for something like a battlefield bitcoind, this kind of thing probably cannot be avoided.
1035858;1425092129;ben_vulpes;cannot be avoided?
1035859;1425092131;ben_vulpes;thing works, what.
1035860;1425092136;asciilifeform;lol works
1035861;1425092142;asciilifeform;would you bet a planet on that ?
1035862;1425092152;ben_vulpes;i've not the planet.
1035863;1425092159;asciilifeform;even a lowly airplane has triple+ majority-circuit cpu
1035864;1425092163;asciilifeform;a fucking airplane.
1035865;1425092170;ben_vulpes;well bitcoin ain't an airplane.
1035866;1425092172;asciilifeform;where only some piddling 300 life insurance policies have to be paid out
1035867;1425092191;ben_vulpes;the life insurance policies are dwarfed by the operational costs and value of the machine in question.
1035868;1425092196;BingoBoingo;!s power rangers
1035869;1425092197;assbot;56 results for 'power rangers' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=power+rangers
1035870;1425092207;ben_vulpes;perhaps talk to others who are risking 'a planet' worth of btc already on...extant btc.
1035871;1425092210;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: depends who's aboard
1035872;1425092229;ben_vulpes;my point is that large fractions of a planet's worth of btc are already bet on btc.
1035873;1425092231;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: kings, queens in the past sailed on vessels that no one in their right mind would climb on today
1035874;1425092232;asciilifeform;what of that.
1035875;1425092241;ben_vulpes;anyways, it's fri.
1035876;1425092242;asciilifeform;they let the 'doctors' bleed them, too.
1035877;1425092244;ben_vulpes;wine and sutff calls.
1035878;1425092272;BingoBoingo;Ah, movie has film of grinding boards
1035879;1425092312;BingoBoingo;ben_vulpes: See https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/5835#issuecomment-76318668 for depths of Gavin's optimizing away security.
1035880;1425092313;assbot;Optimize block validation code and block propagation speed by gavinandresen · Pull Request #5835 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1JXq0FQ )
1035881;1425092313;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34400 @ 0.00040306 = 13.8653 BTC [+]
1035882;1425092374;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26909 @ 0.00040896 = 11.0047 BTC [+]
1035883;1425092435;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10491 @ 0.00041437 = 4.3472 BTC [+]
1035884;1425092460;asciilifeform;re: proof: studious readers of log may recall the old thread where we spoke of general-case attributes of a proggy being unprovable
1035885;1425092500;asciilifeform;(this trivially follows from turing's 'halting theorem.' no need to invoke herr g�del even.)
1035886;1425092527;asciilifeform;but you can still do a few useful tricks like taint/flow analysis
1035887;1425092554;asciilifeform;e.g., show that output of ecdsa signing routine can only be affected by the given parameters and not by anything else
1035888;1425092577;asciilifeform;this naturally rests on the 'turtles' and 'elephants' of your priors, e.g. hardware functioning as printed on the box, and so on
1035889;1425092599;asciilifeform;so not a magical guarantee (want guarantees, pray to the gods?)
1035890;1425092649;asciilifeform;but still light-years ahead of just-winging-it-in-c, so long as the required 'furniture' isn't fifty pounds of fetid haskellian squigglies printed on telephone book paper
1035891;1425092668;asciilifeform;but something that looks more like a programming lang you might've learned as a kid.
1035892;1425092693;asciilifeform;and the result 'fits in head'
1035893;1425093099;BingoBoingo;Hour 45 in Snowden iitator is described as hanging self
1035894;1425093110;BingoBoingo;metaphorically
1035895;1425093145;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-02-2014#506836 << example of me vomiting at proof-of-anything. but it seems to me now that there were not one but two usg 'monasteries' where the concept was developed
1035896;1425093145;assbot;Logged on 16-02-2014 02:58:15; asciilifeform: the entire field, giving its history and monetary incentives, is a poisonous offering.
1035897;1425093173;asciilifeform;one, academia, where they spew obscurantist haskellian garbage that serves solely to make perpetrators 'look smart' and pull each other's cocks;
1035898;1425093184;asciilifeform;and another where the rocket actually gets flown on occasion
1035899;1425093190;asciilifeform;and heads (at least once did) roll upon failure
1035900;1425093222;asciilifeform;this is merely a hypothesis in my mind, i'm putting it here for others to ponder.
1035901;1425093354;asciilifeform;call it megalomania, but i'm fascinated with a certain kind of engineering
1035902;1425093387;BingoBoingo;So first hour of citizenfour, maybe valuable hsitorical aritifact same for last 10 minutes. Middle portion agrandizes names lacking justification for such
1035903;1425093415;asciilifeform;as in, how would you engineer if, were your creations to fail, everything you have ever loved will be tortured and killed by nazi cannibals for the rest of eternity; every truth you hold dear will be buried and never seen again, etc, etc
1035904;1425093424;BingoBoingo;Obummer specificaly indicted several times
1035905;1425093504;BingoBoingo;Final portion of film with Snowden very different in journalist behavior from inital portion with presumably historic snowden
1035906;1425093542;asciilifeform;how would you engineer if every morning you got to see a colleague slowly lowered into a pira�a tank for having made a mistake ?
1035907;1425093648;BingoBoingo;Clear subtext of final 10 minutes is that aspiring Snowden 2.0 ended dead or on anthill
1035908;1425093716;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34006 @ 0.00040162 = 13.6575 BTC [-]
1035909;1425093721;*;BingoBoingo to downtime and reflecting on further paranoia
1035910;1425093777;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 32144 @ 0.0003998 = 12.8512 BTC [-]
1035911;1425094024;trinque;asciilifeform: we just need to take on problems with actual risk
1035912;1425094035;asciilifeform;trinque: elaborate
1035913;1425094053;trinque;king says I want a moon base
1035914;1425094065;trinque;everyone's making app things
1035915;1425094071;trinque;or flipping burgers
1035916;1425094121;asciilifeform;king, if he has any sense, begins with 'i want a tetris and underlying stack that doesn't crash, and if it does, you+extended family get intimate with anthills'
1035917;1425094233;trinque;I think we'll benefit greatly from the hostility of space
1035918;1425094264;asciilifeform;try the ice cap training wheels first.
1035919;1425094337;trinque;maybe we're fat and lazy because earth hasn't put up enough of a fight
1035920;1425094353;trinque;I tend to pine for some period of harsh weather and natural disasters as yeah, training wheels
1035921;1425094374;asciilifeform;the best fight is put up by 'homo homini lupus est'
1035922;1425094397;asciilifeform;weather doesn't plan to kill you.
1035923;1425094412;trinque;that is true
1035924;1425094429;*;asciilifeform is firm believer in 'war is the father of all' (TM)
1035925;1425094579;trinque;we are certainly not grazing animals, nor should we behave like them
1035926;1425094654;trinque;asciilifeform: less wolf than social insect though isn't it?
1035927;1425094719;trinque;perhaps if they fought each other for social position
1035928;1425095485;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 76400 @ 0.00040585 = 31.0069 BTC [+]
1035929;1425095607;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22100 @ 0.00041437 = 9.1576 BTC [+]
1035930;1425095729;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 139706 @ 0.00039756 = 55.5415 BTC [-] {2} 
1035931;1425095790;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2994 @ 0.00039649 = 1.1871 BTC [-]
1035932;1425095973;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11509 @ 0.00041437 = 4.769 BTC [+]
1035933;1425096034;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25670 @ 0.00041666 = 10.6957 BTC [+]
1035934;1425096522;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 74256 @ 0.00039649 = 29.4418 BTC [-]
1035935;1425096644;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 46844 @ 0.00039377 = 18.4458 BTC [-]
1035936;1425096652;mircea_popescu;Quattlebaum   is an awesome Richter name.
1035937;1425096711;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=27-02-2015#1035594 << would you say the same of the original richter ? he was an immigrant.
1035938;1425096711;assbot;Logged on 27-02-2015 20:45:01; ascii_field: the racket is open to 'favourite sons' exclusively.
1035939;1425096739;asciilifeform;which richter
1035940;1425096775;mircea_popescu;the heamul project one. you recall, generalissimo peron was going to get cold fusion going.
1035941;1425096810;asciilifeform;outside of usg - rules different, sure; foreigners invited to work their magic
1035942;1425096818;asciilifeform;even usg, in the not too distant past, did this
1035943;1425096824;asciilifeform;(germans, etc)
1035944;1425096825;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=27-02-2015#1035617 << i appreciate the .1 lulz.
1035945;1425096825;assbot;Logged on 27-02-2015 23:29:14; cazalla: for anyone that recalls shrem's attempt to lure investors into a scheme last month.. it already shut.. weeks ago https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=906838.msg10370543#msg10370543
1035946;1425096827;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 69956 @ 0.00039377 = 27.5466 BTC [-]
1035947;1425096842;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform uh, not what i meant. peron's usg is an usg exactly like obama's usg, right ?
1035948;1425096852;mircea_popescu;or is one special among all the idiot bureaucracies for reasons (tm)
1035949;1425096880;asciilifeform;just pointing out bureaucracy functioning in a particular mode of idiocy
1035950;1425096891;mircea_popescu;but wait.
1035951;1425096902;asciilifeform;inviting cranks from abroad - altogether different ballgame from locally cultivated cynical graft
1035952;1425096915;mircea_popescu;obviously they'd operate on a (being scammed) to (merit washing) continuum. it won't be either 0% or 100%.
1035953;1425096920;mircea_popescu;it'll be in between. right ?
1035954;1425096949;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 45494 @ 0.00039182 = 17.8255 BTC [-] {2} 
1035955;1425096961;asciilifeform;in any given instance of meritwash, somebody's being chumped (various folks who swallow the snake oil)
1035956;1425096968;mircea_popescu;no, the govt itself.
1035957;1425096980;asciilifeform;as a logical entity - sure
1035958;1425096985;mircea_popescu;right.
1035959;1425097054;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=27-02-2015#1035660 << kinda the problem with giveaways : they attract exactly the scum, those you specifically do not want to deal with.
1035960;1425097054;assbot;Logged on 27-02-2015 23:59:53; Stunna: The amount given away is pretty minimal due to botters
1035961;1425097061;mircea_popescu;whether actual bots or just human equivalents.
1035962;1425097133;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform i would guess that the successful instances of actual merit wash, as opposed to usg being straight scammed, to be under 10%.
1035963;1425097161;mircea_popescu;that pellet of usd that htey lost in iraq, that went to the arabs more than to the pansy ass sons of - sons of whom anyway ? patreus ?
1035964;1425097163;asciilifeform;thing is, with scam, the question is always 'why does this fella get to run this scam and not some other'
1035965;1425097171;asciilifeform;not always there is a logical answer, granted
1035966;1425097177;mircea_popescu;"why does this guy take the slut home and not some other ?"
1035967;1425097188;asciilifeform;not even always this level of answer
1035968;1425097191;mircea_popescu;if you ask the slut, often enough it's because "he's the only one that asked, and i was getting bored"
1035969;1425097192;asciilifeform;but sometimes - there is.
1035970;1425097222;asciilifeform;because, in a well-cultivated sc4mz0r0cr4cy with multigenerational rackets, there is usually an established pecking order
1035971;1425097226;asciilifeform;and dynasties
1035972;1425097254;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=28-02-2015#1035693 << they did when they went into eu
1035973;1425097254;assbot;Logged on 28-02-2015 00:12:16; asciilifeform: iirc sp technically never made peace with ru.
1035974;1425097268;asciilifeform;example, http://www.delcoremyhistory.com/Products/missilebattery.htm
1035975;1425097269;assbot;Delco Remy Division - Product History - Missile Battery ... ( http://bit.ly/1LTO1t0 )
1035976;1425097270;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform sure. the thing about them orders and dynasties is... they do not work.
1035977;1425097277;asciilifeform;^ these folks are -still- making it
1035978;1425097285;asciilifeform;platinum-iridium toilet
1035979;1425097287;asciilifeform;not mere gold.
1035980;1425097321;mircea_popescu;so ?
1035981;1425097324;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: now -that's- interesting. got a link to the treaty ?
1035982;1425097339;mircea_popescu;for every 10 bux of this there's 100 bux of "we got raped and had to pay the rapist for his cab fare"
1035983;1425097401;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform Посольство Испании ул. Большая Никитская, 50/8, Москва, Rusia, 121069 ‎
1035984;1425097404;mircea_popescu;ya know ?
1035985;1425097436;asciilifeform;^ could co-exist with a technically unfinished state of war
1035986;1425097450;mircea_popescu;no ?
1035987;1425097458;asciilifeform;otoh the original war was never declared, iirc
1035988;1425097465;asciilifeform;so whole line of thought goes nowhere
1035989;1425097494;mircea_popescu;well im not really THAT into it, but i recall part of the eu assumption conditions was "no territorial disputes and no unresolved conflicts"
1035990;1425097703;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=28-02-2015#1035740 << the power of bitcoin decimal depth.
1035991;1425097703;assbot;Logged on 28-02-2015 00:51:31; mike_c: ^ 200 satoshis is worth less than an ad view at $2 cpm
1035992;1425097803;*;asciilifeform - as ben_vulpes will be entertained to learn - just opened a 'macbook air' in dire need of a modern-sized drive to discover that said box made use of an obscure type of disk interface previously unknown to him, with aftermarket units only available from cn
1035993;1425097813;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=28-02-2015#1035767 << could the command be less verbose ? no : and no add- whatever. make it like deedbot- deed http://etc
1035994;1425097813;assbot;Logged on 28-02-2015 01:51:12; trinque: ^ demo
1035995;1425097902;*;asciilifeform only opened it because had an ssd from visually identical machine of the same make, which turned out to be incompatible.
1035996;1425097929;trinque;mircea_popescu: certainly
1035997;1425097942;asciilifeform;what does ben_vulpes do with his apple boxen? just throws them out when disk fills ?
1035998;1425098238;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=28-02-2015#1035866 << read your policy carefully. plenty actually don't pay if you get airplane killed.
1035999;1425098238;assbot;Logged on 28-02-2015 02:56:12; asciilifeform: where only some piddling 300 life insurance policies have to be paid out
1036000;1425098273;*;asciilifeform unsurprised, recalls a list of similar gotchas that added up to 'give us money because you're retarded'
1036001;1425098283;mircea_popescu;mhm.
1036002;1425098347;asciilifeform;but basic point is that machine doesn't just cost what machine costs, but some actuarial numbers based on what the corpses' legal reps are likely to attempt/achieve
1036003;1425098372;asciilifeform;plus whatever it falls down on
1036004;1425098379;asciilifeform;(who said it had to be the sea)
1036005;1425098389;mircea_popescu;sure.
1036006;1425098621;mircea_popescu;http://40.media.tumblr.com/9747d981c7cc8f7b1fef72d03e06f4d8/tumblr_n1t29cPPlh1rm4ufeo1_1280.jpg
1036007;1425098622;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1wwij3s )
1036008;1425098711;decimation;re: snowden film : he seems pretty genuine to me
1036009;1425098744;decimation;but he also seems rather aggrandizing
1036010;1425098768;*;asciilifeform did not see the film, but will say that he could probably produce a 'snowden' film with an arbitrarily high degree of 'truthiness' given a few $10M-usd
1036011;1425098844;mircea_popescu;you're nuts you know.
1036012;1425098854;mircea_popescu;dude, they can't even make a film looking credible on 100mn.
1036013;1425098862;asciilifeform;can't or don't want/need ?
1036014;1425098874;mircea_popescu;just look at the crud that gets released. and that's on "normal" topics, girl meets boy or w/e.
1036015;1425098875;asciilifeform;the 64-quadrillion-bzollar question, nein ?
1036016;1425098884;mircea_popescu;to get an idea of what 10mn buys you, check out tucker max' film.
1036017;1425098897;asciilifeform;what did 'clerks' cost ?
1036018;1425098912;mircea_popescu;http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1220628/ << watch this. srsly. that's 10mn.
1036019;1425098914;assbot;I Hope They Serve Beer in Hell (2009) - IMDb ... ( http://bit.ly/1wwiLia )
1036020;1425098922;mircea_popescu;and i dunno how truthy clerks looked to you ?
1036021;1425098936;mircea_popescu;http://www.boxofficemojo.com/movies/?id=clerks.htm
1036022;1425098937;assbot;Clerks (1994) - Box Office Mojo ... ( http://bit.ly/1wwiP1x )
1036023;1425098978;*;asciilifeform never sure if ever to believe these figures as they are traditionally ultra-lowballed for tax purposes
1036024;1425098983;mircea_popescu;the major difference here being that your example is some kids having fun, my example is some idiot trying to force a meme.
1036025;1425098990;mircea_popescu;your idea is like my example not like your example.
1036026;1425098999;asciilifeform;hm.
1036027;1425099006;mircea_popescu;actually they aren't. tax deductions abound.
1036028;1425099035;*;asciilifeform confesses to having only a very basic familiarity with the subject
1036029;1425099065;mircea_popescu;well, i'm not the king of tinseltown, however, on the grounds of my cursory familiarty with the topic of making movies (ie, being a producer),
1036030;1425099079;mircea_popescu;what you propose (a forced meme film that is secretly made) can not be done. period.
1036031;1425099094;asciilifeform;forced meme ?
1036032;1425099096;mircea_popescu;you can't get the budget high enough without making secrecy impossible.
1036033;1425099098;mircea_popescu;yes.
1036034;1425099176;asciilifeform;get the budget high enough without making secrecy impossible << this is right back to the 64-quadrillion-bzollar question. the dept-of-breaking-pgp gets $maxint and remains totally secret - not to say that they've succeeded or even tried, but we have no idea how much cocaine they were able to buy with the $maxint, nor the carat purity of the gold of which their toilets were made
1036035;1425099193;decimation;the journalists are made to look like buffoons
1036036;1425099282;mircea_popescu;this is silly.
1036037;1425099295;mircea_popescu;"can god make a rock so big and hide it so well he ends up making another one ???"
1036038;1425099429;asciilifeform;what'd count as a -real, indisputable- usg leak? example: info leading to perma-pwn of a whole constellation (hell, why not all of them) of usg orbiting junk
1036039;1425099449;asciilifeform;as insinuated in that cryptome thing (pretty good yarn, recommended)
1036040;1425099476;asciilifeform;essentially, something so utterly catastrophic to usg that it could not possibly be a hangout
1036041;1425099491;asciilifeform;or even a hangout-gone-botched
1036042;1425099512;asciilifeform;something from which no recovery is possible, any more than from shooting self in the head with a 'stinger'
1036043;1425099529;asciilifeform;(yes, not physically possible, but for sake of argument!)
1036044;1425099623;asciilifeform;or, going back to more familiar ground, the microcode update key perma-baked into all intel cpu since '95
1036045;1425099731;asciilifeform;or the locations of all x,xxx nato arms caches in ru and eastern eu
1036046;1425099735;asciilifeform;etc.
1036047;1425099751;asciilifeform;could go on, but i'm not a novelist, just trying to make a point
1036048;1425099753;mircea_popescu;seems arbitrary.
1036049;1425099763;asciilifeform;basic idea is, a mortal wound
1036050;1425099767;asciilifeform;rather than just disfiguring
1036051;1425099768;asciilifeform;to usg.
1036052;1425099777;mircea_popescu;suppose you're 13, and suppose you're hot for mary sue, and suppose i am invisible, and suppose i steal her diary.
1036053;1425099786;asciilifeform;aha?
1036054;1425099793;mircea_popescu;is your argument going to be that "unless it shows her naked fucking a satellite it's not truely a diary" ?
1036055;1425099806;mircea_popescu;13yo girls don't normally take that sorta footage.
1036056;1425099813;asciilifeform;but usg does
1036057;1425099819;mircea_popescu;notrly.
1036058;1425099830;asciilifeform;has private keys just like you and i
1036059;1425099830;mircea_popescu;you think it does, because to your starstruck eyes this 13 yo girl is like ... madonna.
1036060;1425099832;mircea_popescu;only better.
1036061;1425099845;mircea_popescu;except... she's a dumb 13 yo with barel yany tits, that nobody but you would even notice.
1036062;1425099874;decimation;note that usg only gains superpowers when she's trying to conduct a worldwide coordinated deception
1036063;1425099875;asciilifeform;to run with the analogy, she's the 'fat kid with rich father'
1036064;1425099879;asciilifeform;from mircea_popescu's earlier article
1036065;1425099911;asciilifeform;usg is running on two centuries of plunder and exuberant technowankery, from which, granted, only fumes remain in the tank
1036066;1425099938;mircea_popescu;eh... here's the caper : if she were, for a weird reason, the fucking queen of terrania
1036067;1425099938;asciilifeform;kid may be so far he's spherical, but father was very, very rich.
1036068;1425099946;mircea_popescu;it'd be because everyone's so saying, not for any other reason.
1036069;1425099948;asciilifeform;*so fat
1036070;1425099956;mircea_popescu;if they change their mind... you're left holding up a very scared 13 yo.
1036071;1425099976;mircea_popescu;one that THINKS it used to do things to "make" everyone bla bla.
1036072;1425099986;mircea_popescu;and then splat she goes
1036073;1425099988;mircea_popescu;on the asphalt.
1036074;1425100007;asciilifeform;might check under the bed and see if the red button's still connected to something, before splat ?
1036075;1425100030;*;mircea_popescu jew waves
1036076;1425100158;decimation;meanwhile actual usg can't even coordinate its own aircraft in its own airspace http://www.marinecorpstimes.com/story/military/tech/2015/02/25/cherry-point-assumes-air-traffic-control-responsibilities/23948767/
1036077;1425100162;assbot;FAA hands local air traffic control to MCAS Cherry Point ... ( http://bit.ly/1wwkPXw )
1036078;1425100206;asciilifeform;when the last usg fighter runs headlong into the last usg bomber, and the fireball takes out their last aerial tanker, we can say 'can't'
1036079;1425100279;asciilifeform;http://www.marinecorpstimes.com/media/cinematic/video/24106461 << unrelated to above but relevant to BingoBoingo's article
1036080;1425100282;assbot;Cops: MO candidate dies of self-inflicted gunshot wound ... ( http://bit.ly/1wwl3hs )
1036081;1425100324;asciilifeform;^ with alleged audio
1036082;1425100421;decimation;maybe he was in the cherry business too
1036083;1425100426;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30642 @ 0.00039134 = 11.9914 BTC [-] {2} 
1036084;1425100957;asciilifeform;or why stick to boring old kinetic killing machines;
1036085;1425100976;asciilifeform;let's learn whether - and how - noblis corp. molested the britneychain.
1036086;1425101068;asciilifeform;or say a shipment of petahash's worth of usg-commissioned miners sailing from taiwan ends up in hands of 'isis' because of a leaked key
1036087;1425101075;asciilifeform;then - yes, leaks like sieve
1036088;1425101330;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu remarked, iirc, that i'm living in berlin circa '44, but it looks rather more like '38 here.
1036089;1425101359;asciilifeform;where's the stalingrad, damnit.
1036090;1425101707;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 67651 @ 0.00039532 = 26.7438 BTC [+]
1036091;1425101954;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: http://libverse.ru/korzhavin/trybachi.html << relevant to thread
1036092;1425101954;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1wwo80R )
1036093;1425101976;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: say later if were able to digest it. otherwise i might have to attempt a transl.
1036094;1425102256;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15600 @ 0.00039532 = 6.167 BTC [+]
1036095;1425102866;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19949 @ 0.00039532 = 7.8862 BTC [+]
1036096;1425102927;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11487 @ 0.00040318 = 4.6313 BTC [+]
1036097;1425102988;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 101642 @ 0.00040318 = 40.98 BTC [+]
1036098;1425103537;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 73550 @ 0.00040318 = 29.6539 BTC [+]
1036099;1425104574;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29200 @ 0.00039409 = 11.5074 BTC [-]
1036100;1425106465;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 210200 @ 0.00040058 = 84.2019 BTC [+] {2} 
1036101;1425106709;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27700 @ 0.0003913 = 10.839 BTC [-]
1036102;1425107197;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 135350 @ 0.00040318 = 54.5704 BTC [+]
1036103;1425108234;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 65050 @ 0.00039469 = 25.6746 BTC [-]
1036104;1425108952;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform i get a general idea
1036105;1425108988;mircea_popescu;guy wants a magic trumpet to make enemies stand out from friends.
1036106;1425108998;asciilifeform;xlating now
1036107;1425109019;asciilifeform;tough cookie, this one
1036108;1425109265;mircea_popescu;well im off, tomorro.
1036109;1425109277;asciilifeform;seeya
1036110;1425109309;mircea_popescu;http://40.media.tumblr.com/4a63527f5a90fd698739f30285fe0ba0/tumblr_mmoapj3TvS1rnhnkmo1_1280.jpg i leave you with the gift of dulap.
1036111;1425109311;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1wvpYJH )
1036112;1425109323;asciilifeform;sssschhhlink!
1036113;1425109328;asciilifeform;l0l
1036114;1425110247;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5500 @ 0.00040318 = 2.2175 BTC [+]
1036115;1425110796;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2971 @ 0.00040318 = 1.1978 BTC [+]
1036116;1425110918;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 50508 @ 0.00040353 = 20.3815 BTC [+]
1036117;1425111251;cazalla;well, this is an interesting article inc
1036118;1425111837;cazalla;http://qntra.net/2015/02/ceo-of-bitcoin-exchange-killed-in-thailand/
1036119;1425111837;assbot;CEO Of Bitcoin Exchange Killed In Thailand | Qntra.net ... ( http://bit.ly/1E4RNAD )
1036120;1425111950;scoopbot;New post on Qntra.net by cazalla: http://qntra.net/2015/02/ceo-of-bitcoin-exchange-killed-in-thailand/
1036121;1425111957;fluffypony;cazalla: <blockquote> tags
1036122;1425111986;cazalla;refresh, fixed it, reverted to an earlier draft for some reason
1036123;1425111991;fluffypony;kk
1036124;1425112199;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 60350 @ 0.00040381 = 24.3699 BTC [+] {2} 
1036125;1425112250;cazalla;you don't see them now do you fluffypony ?
1036126;1425112259;fluffypony;no all fixed
1036127;1425112931;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 94184 @ 0.00039525 = 37.2262 BTC [-] {2} 
1036128;1425113369;asciilifeform;;;later tell mircea_popescu http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=1UGC9WT4 << translation
1036129;1425113370;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1E4So56 )
1036130;1425113370;gribble;The operation succeeded.
1036131;1425113607;asciilifeform;eh, what the hell, it's ~1kb
1036132;1425113612;asciilifeform;'The Buglers' (Noam Korzhavin, 1955.)
1036133;1425113612;asciilifeform;(original http://libverse.ru/korzhavin/trybachi.html.
1036134;1425113614;assbot;Страница не найдена ... ( http://bit.ly/1E4Sr0S )
1036135;1425113614;asciilifeform; English translation brought to you by #bitcoin-assets.)
1036136;1425113614;asciilifeform;Since childhood I've dreamed that a bugler would blow,
1036137;1425113614;asciilifeform;We'll wake and hear hoofbeats a-thundering go,
1036138;1425113614;asciilifeform;You'll learn who is who, and the truth cannot hide:
1036139;1425113616;asciilifeform;Your foes straight ahead, and your friends - at your side.
1036140;1425113618;asciilifeform;And then aeroplanes pierced the night with a roar,
1036141;1425113620;asciilifeform;And buglers were blowing their bugles once more,
1036142;1425113622;asciilifeform;Tachankas [1] and cannon did roll through the mud,
1036143;1425113624;asciilifeform;And heroes awakened, and out poured their blood,
1036144;1425113628;asciilifeform;With thunderous valor, all those years did shine
1036145;1425113630;asciilifeform;Yet still I would wait for some obvious sign.
1036146;1425113632;asciilifeform;I thought I saw all - but blind have I been,
1036147;1425113634;asciilifeform;As betwixt our friends did our foes scurry in.
1036148;1425113636;asciilifeform;And many a foe was within our own ranks,
1036149;1425113638;asciilifeform;And sometimes - they carried the flags at our flanks.
1036150;1425113640;asciilifeform;Life hits me hard, knocks me out of the ring.
1036151;1425113642;asciilifeform;But still I shall wait for my bugle to sing.
1036152;1425113644;asciilifeform;Though truth does not fade, and my conscience won't go
1036153;1425113646;asciilifeform;But days turn to years, yet that bugler won't blow.
1036154;1425113648;asciilifeform;And as old age draws near, will I remain strong,
1036155;1425113650;asciilifeform;And dream till I die, of the bugler's bright song?
1036156;1425113652;asciilifeform;But what if to blow it ourselves is our lot?
1036157;1425113654;asciilifeform;Since we, only we, are the buglers we've got.
1036158;1425113658;asciilifeform;[1] Who doesn't know, can look it up.
1036159;1425113660;asciilifeform;    Approximately - chariot, but with Maxim gun.
1036160;1425113814;asciilifeform;damn, now i forget why i did this.
1036161;1425113817;*;asciilifeform to bed
1036162;1425114324;punkman;maybe we need poetry.b-a.link ;)
1036163;1425114373;punkman;interesting http://wiki.osdev.org/Ada_Bare_bones
1036164;1425114375;assbot;Ada Bare bones - OSDev Wiki ... ( http://bit.ly/1E4SHgu )
1036165;1425114395;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 57950 @ 0.00040497 = 23.468 BTC [+]
1036166;1425114700;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 61000 @ 0.00039469 = 24.0761 BTC [-]
1036167;1425115981;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 114400 @ 0.00039469 = 45.1525 BTC [-]
1036168;1425117262;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 129150 @ 0.00039385 = 50.8657 BTC [-] {3} 
1036169;1425118482;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23636 @ 0.00040098 = 9.4776 BTC [+]
1036170;1425118509;jurov;<asciilifeform> where's the stalingrad, damnit. << since usg is in hybrid warfare mostly with itself... no stalingrad possibly recognizable in that mess
1036171;1425118694;jurov;or maybe it was 9/11 already?
1036172;1425119336;kakobrekla;that alfs translation somehow lead me to https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Kiml-N0ExU , seems full version.
1036173;1425119338;assbot;Огненные версты / The Fiery Miles - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1AEoyBW )
1036174;1425120251;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 53964 @ 0.0004041 = 21.8069 BTC [+]
1036175;1425120739;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16550 @ 0.00040267 = 6.6642 BTC [-]
1036176;1425121229;punkman;http://ctext.org/mozi
1036177;1425121231;assbot;Mozi - Chinese Text Project ... ( http://bit.ly/1aAtrCr )
1036178;1425122935;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 111126 @ 0.000394 = 43.7836 BTC [-] {3} 
1036179;1425123423;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 78700 @ 0.00038799 = 30.5348 BTC [-]
1036180;1425124338;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21200 @ 0.00038413 = 8.1436 BTC [-] {2} 
1036181;1425124948;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 90751 @ 0.00038286 = 34.7449 BTC [-]
1036182;1425126046;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 58100 @ 0.00040267 = 23.3951 BTC [+]
1036183;1425127022;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 88880 @ 0.00040267 = 35.7893 BTC [+]
1036184;1425129035;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33150 @ 0.00040497 = 13.4248 BTC [+]
1036185;1425129096;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 54200 @ 0.0004085 = 22.1407 BTC [+] {2} 
1036186;1425130255;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13520 @ 0.0004047 = 5.4715 BTC [-]
1036187;1425132193;danielpbarron;height=236104 vs height=194761
1036188;1425132226;danielpbarron;sata: height=236104   usb3: height=233770
1036189;1425132243;danielpbarron;usb3 might be slower than 5400 rpm
1036190;1425134390;fluffypony;welp, CEO of Bitcoin killed again: http://i.imgur.com/bIUctbS.jpg
1036191;1425134391;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1zq9EdD )
1036192;1425134459;*;danielpbarron slaps fluffypony around a bit with a large Qntra
1036193;1425134494;fluffypony;no I read the article on Qntra, this is the media getting it wrong again
1036194;1425134566;danielpbarron;oh lol "CEO of Bitcoin"
1036195;1425134966;*;adlai slaps danielpbarron around a bit with a ra qnt
1036196;1425136355;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 122500 @ 0.00039191 = 48.009 BTC [-]
1036197;1425136660;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10191 @ 0.00039064 = 3.981 BTC [-]
1036198;1425136721;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 124859 @ 0.00038932 = 48.6101 BTC [-] {2} 
1036199;1425136978;chetty;media and wrong should be synonyms
1036200;1425137148;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23291 @ 0.000388 = 9.0369 BTC [-]
1036201;1425139710;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 96400 @ 0.00038466 = 37.0812 BTC [-]
1036202;1425139954;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 193392 @ 0.00038709 = 74.8601 BTC [+] {2} 
1036203;1425140198;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 240008 @ 0.00040724 = 97.7409 BTC [+] {6} 
1036204;1425140259;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16600 @ 0.00038566 = 6.402 BTC [-]
1036205;1425141174;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 59500 @ 0.00041098 = 24.4533 BTC [+] {2} 
1036206;1425141389;mircea_popescu;i like how asciilifeform makes notes to point out that hey, you could be looking this up :D
1036207;1425141436;mircea_popescu;(btw, you should prolly put that up on yoru blog. pastes are temporary)
1036208;1425144171;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform too late. http://trilema.com/2015/hai-c-am-furat-un-negativ/
1036209;1425144171;assbot;Hai c-am furat un negativ pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.  ... ( http://bit.ly/1JZL3HI )
1036210;1425144285;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25900 @ 0.00039456 = 10.2191 BTC [-]
1036211;1425145139;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 72300 @ 0.00039953 = 28.886 BTC [+]
1036212;1425145214;scoopbot;New post on Trilema by Mircea Popescu: http://trilema.com/2015/hai-c-am-furat-un-negativ/
1036213;1425145768;BingoBoingo;scoopbot -fetch
1036214;1425145779;scoopbot;New post on Qntra.net by Bingo Boingo: http://qntra.net/2015/02/anti-integrity-advocates-push-netflix-to-break-contracts/
1036215;1425146815;mircea_popescu;cazalla a) killed is a little misleading, traditionally "died" is the word for accidental death ; b) isn't this teppy of dragon tale / tale in the desert fame ?
1036216;1425146998;BingoBoingo;b) that just might be
1036217;1425147120;BingoBoingo;a) For violent accidents that lead to death killed is used frequently
1036218;1425147161;BingoBoingo;;;google killed in one car accident
1036219;1425147161;gribble;'60 Minutes' correspondent Bob Simon dies in car accident - CNN.com: <http://www.cnn.com/2015/02/11/us/bob-simon-dies/>; Woman killed after 3 vehicle accident on the Mass Pike | WWLP.com: <http://wwlp.com/2015/02/26/one-car-crash-on-mass-pike-in-westfield-injuries-reported/>; Bruce Jenner in Horrible Car Crash -- 1 Person Dead | TMZ.com: <http://www.tmz.com/2015/02/07/bruce- (1 more message)
1036220;1425147207;BingoBoingo;dies or died probably the better word though
1036221;1425148299;chetty;yep, Andrew Tepper, A Tale in the Desert and Dragon Tales
1036222;1425148433;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 70404 @ 0.00039914 = 28.1011 BTC [-]
1036223;1425148972;thestringpuller;"i dont think its a good idea to go poking around the profiles of the dead on reddit."
1036224;1425148982;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33154 @ 0.00039914 = 13.2331 BTC [-]
1036225;1425149043;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 69296 @ 0.00039953 = 27.6858 BTC [+]
1036226;1425149578;chetty;oh hey no different Tepper, Adam not Andrew :P
1036227;1425149629;thestringpuller;http://ninasays.so/howdoyoudoit/
1036228;1425150202;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10804 @ 0.00039953 = 4.3165 BTC [+]
1036229;1425150324;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 74296 @ 0.00039543 = 29.3789 BTC [-] {2} 
1036230;1425151239;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 46300 @ 0.00038466 = 17.8098 BTC [-]
1036231;1425152005;thestringpuller;;;ticker
1036232;1425152007;gribble;Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 251.72, Best ask: 252.09, Bid-ask spread: 0.37000, Last trade: 252.17, 24 hour volume: 6891.50924384, 24 hour low: 245.2, 24 hour high: 256.15, 24 hour vwap: 252.06286089
1036233;1425152581;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 37818 @ 0.00038745 = 14.6526 BTC [+]
1036234;1425153191;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 47150 @ 0.00038745 = 18.2683 BTC [+]
1036235;1425153374;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25400 @ 0.00039043 = 9.9169 BTC [+]
1036236;1425154045;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 102700 @ 0.00040151 = 41.2351 BTC [+] {2} 
1036237;1425154837;cazalla;<BingoBoingo> a) For violent accidents that lead to death killed is used frequently <<< that was my thinking, was not an intentional click bait title as some alleged
1036238;1425155185;BingoBoingo;scoopbot -fetch
1036239;1425155189;scoopbot;New post on Qntra.net by Bingo Boingo: http://qntra.net/2015/02/police-chief-arrested-for-soliciting-prostitution/
1036240;1425155252;cazalla;maybe it's an aussie thing to use killed for violent deaths, i am not the only one.. http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-02-28/bitcoin-ceo-adam-tepper-killed-in-thailand/6271440 http://www.smh.com.au/national/australian-killed-in-thailand-identified-as-independent-reserve-ceo-20150228-13rmqe.html
1036241;1425155254;assbot;Adam Tepper, Bitcoin trader and CEO of Independent Reserve, killed in motorcycle accident in Phuket - ABC News (Australian Broadcasting Corporation) ... ( http://bit.ly/1vKTrV9 )
1036242;1425155255;assbot;Australian killed in Thailand identified as Independent Reserve CEO ... ( http://bit.ly/1vKTqjT )
1036243;1425155349;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo turns out that one's andrew not adam, my bad
1036244;1425155415;mircea_popescu;http://qntra.net/2015/02/police-chief-arrested-for-soliciting-prostitution/ << bwahaha
1036245;1425155416;assbot;Police Chief Arrested for Soliciting Prostitution | Qntra.net ... ( http://bit.ly/1vKTZdp )
1036246;1425155924;mod6;!t m s.mpoe
1036247;1425155924;assbot;[MPEX:S.MPOE] 1D: 0.00038286 / 0.0003987 / 0.00041666 (5126534 shares, 2,044.00 BTC), 7D: 0.00035757 / 0.00040127 / 0.00048515 (19982463 shares, 8,018.43 BTC), 30D: 0.0003293 / 0.00039709 / 0.00048515 (95164556 shares, 37,789.00 BTC)
1036248;1425155955;mod6;well, I'm back. :]
1036249;1425155960;*;mod6 catches up on logs.
1036250;1425156253;mircea_popescu;wb!
1036251;1425156262;ben_vulpes;how was vaycay?
1036252;1425156363;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 39900 @ 0.00040436 = 16.134 BTC [+]
1036253;1425156430;mod6;thanks, good!
1036254;1425156447;ben_vulpes;<asciilifeform> [04:32] what does ben_vulpes do with his apple boxen? just throws them out when disk fills ? << generally, backup disk, format, give to pets and or repurpose as misc. computing devices around the house/office.
1036255;1425156450;ben_vulpes;it's an abysmal cycle.
1036256;1425156452;mod6;haven't had any time off in like... 8 years.
1036257;1425156674;mod6;i don't think i've ever been 3 days behind on logs. lol.
1036258;1425156682;*;mod6 keeps reading
1036259;1425156697;thestringpuller;mod6: doesn't like #b-a people
1036260;1425156724;mircea_popescu;mod6 past week or so hasnt been all that terrible.
1036261;1425156729;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 40800 @ 0.00039498 = 16.1152 BTC [-]
1036262;1425156755;mod6;mircea_popescu: yeah, not too bad. lot of trades tho!
1036263;1425156761;mod6;thestringpuller: what?
1036264;1425156800;mod6;lol, always tryin to troll me.
1036265;1425156949;thestringpuller;it's cause you changed my life with da jeezy
1036266;1425156953;thestringpuller;trap or die!
1036267;1425157343;mod6;:P
1036268;1425158132;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28800 @ 0.00039498 = 11.3754 BTC [-]
1036269;1425158193;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7660 @ 0.00039334 = 3.013 BTC [-]
1036270;1425160633;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 239491 @ 0.00039543 = 94.7019 BTC [+] {2} 
1036271;1425160755;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30671 @ 0.0003914 = 12.0046 BTC [-] {2} 
1036272;1425160987;asciilifeform;http://www.loper-os.org/pub/trubach.txt << permalink for my barbaric translation from last night
1036273;1425160988;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1N3EUcr )
1036274;1425161006;asciilifeform;and mircea_popescu has a prettified one on his site
1036275;1425161482;asciilifeform;http://cryptome.org/2015-info/nsa-cia-scs-implant-cafe.jpg << mega-l0l!
1036276;1425161485;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1Aoy8E9 )
1036277;1425161588;asciilifeform;^ a snowdenism featured a cellar where nsa likes to open mail, plant bugs in routers, etc. there was an outside shot. someone appears to have found it on 'google earth' and is now marked
1036278;1425161592;asciilifeform;will soon have reviews! likely
1036279;1425161601;asciilifeform;'best bug, great service'
1036280;1425161712;chetty;someone should start returning the favor
1036281;1425162036;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 43800 @ 0.00040436 = 17.711 BTC [+]
1036282;1425162951;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 64140 @ 0.00039494 = 25.3315 BTC [-]
1036283;1425163248;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%9A%D0%BE%D1%80%D0%B6%D0%B0%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%BD,_%D0%9D%D0%B0%D1%83%D0%BC_%D0%9C%D0%BE%D0%B8%D1%81%D0%B5%D0%B5%D0%B2%D0%B8%D1%87 << he's alive!
1036284;1425163250;assbot;Коржавин, Наум Моисеевич — Википедия ... ( http://bit.ly/1BrcF33 )
1036285;1425163317;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 51626 @ 0.00039494 = 20.3892 BTC [-]
1036286;1425163355;asciilifeform;^ funnily enough, after being let go from gulag, he earned his living for many years as a translator.
1036287;1425163499;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: http://poetrylibrary.ru/stixiya/korzhavin-1.html#osvobodite-zhenschinu-ot << almost like he wrote this one just for you
1036288;1425164803;decimation;http://cryptome.org/2015/02/roark-103.pdf < BingoBoingo this might make an interesting story
1036289;1425164804;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1zOxGjx )
1036290;1425164811;decimation;you have a PACER account don't you?
1036291;1425164888;BingoBoingo;decimation: I'll give it another read. Maybe you could give a writeup a try since you seem to have a hook for it.
1036292;1425164968;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8125 @ 0.00040436 = 3.2854 BTC [+]
1036293;1425165029;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 44650 @ 0.00040637 = 18.1444 BTC [+]
1036294;1425165036;ben_vulpes;http://www.nytimes.com/2015/02/26/nyregion/3-men-in-brooklyn-charged-supporting-isis.html?_r=0
1036295;1425165039;assbot;Log In - The New York Times ... ( http://bit.ly/1zOy5SX )
1036296;1425165051;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: we did this one here
1036297;1425165086;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=27-02-2015#1035148
1036298;1425165086;assbot;Logged on 27-02-2015 01:24:58; asciilifeform: usg found two clinically certifiable imbeciles and now they have 'terrorists' in the dock
1036299;1425165107;asciilifeform;(see rest of thread)
1036300;1425165178;chetty;must remind us how much we need dhs
1036301;1425165212;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10025 @ 0.00040731 = 4.0833 BTC [+]
1036302;1425165228;asciilifeform;https://farm6.staticflickr.com/5467/14059875162_dda7c1c05f.jpg << unrelated
1036303;1425165230;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1zOyk0i )
1036304;1425165427;asciilifeform;incidentally, uzbek translator for usg must be a killer gig
1036305;1425165440;asciilifeform;doubtful that there's more than a handful of them
1036306;1425165453;asciilifeform;probably 'name own price'
1036307;1425165514;asciilifeform;esp. if you consider that they have to be 'cleared', (nominally) loyaltied, etc
1036308;1425165626;ben_vulpes;asciilifeform: harumph
1036309;1425165747;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: the interesting thing is that so far they use that and only that kind of 'feedstock'
1036310;1425165787;asciilifeform;(borderline retards, no money, no alibi, no lawyer, plenty of 'damning six words written by honest man')
1036311;1425165822;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 55816 @ 0.0004009 = 22.3766 BTC [-] {2} 
1036312;1425165853;asciilifeform;though folks who differ from above portrait solely in the have-money part (e.g. shrem) are also a favourite prey animal
1036313;1425165869;asciilifeform;the only thing better than a generic imbecile is one with a titanic bag of benjies under his car seat
1036314;1425165908;asciilifeform;(local police chief's 'porsche' won't buy itself!)
1036315;1425166211;ben_vulpes;asciilifeform: 'porsche' << civil forfeiture, not terrism.
1036316;1425166224;asciilifeform;two tastes that go great together (TM)
1036317;1425166257;asciilifeform;esp. once the maggots are done with the rotting flesh (above tale and similar) and start on the living meat
1036318;1425166272;asciilifeform;i.e. the folks with houses, jobs, savings (miracle!), bitcoin
1036319;1425166310;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 86846 @ 0.00040909 = 35.5278 BTC [+] {2} 
1036320;1425166315;asciilifeform;right now is 'easy going' because the polizei are only expected to deliver up carcasses for the show trials, rather than revenue
1036321;1425166330;asciilifeform;when it's a+b - then the 'fun' starts
1036322;1425166348;ben_vulpes;why bother? just print more.
1036323;1425166370;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: may as well ask, why tax
1036324;1425166394;ben_vulpes;politically useful. see the routine audits of whoever's not in power.
1036325;1425166399;asciilifeform;answer is that the machine doesn't work if run on 100% bzollar
1036326;1425166407;asciilifeform;gotta have some actual petrol in that water
1036327;1425166410;asciilifeform;for engine to run.
1036328;1425166422;ben_vulpes;confiscation isn't likely to compare with taxes pulled in from payrol..
1036329;1425166426;ben_vulpes;payroll*.
1036330;1425166435;asciilifeform;depends on what is confiscated, and from whom
1036331;1425166443;asciilifeform;not simply a matter of balance sheet, either.
1036332;1425166451;ben_vulpes;what, then?
1036333;1425166464;asciilifeform;some politically important ethnic minority, for instance, might enjoy living in ben_vulpes's house
1036334;1425166493;ben_vulpes;there are no ethnic minorities around here, and won't be for another decade easily.
1036335;1425166497;asciilifeform;just example.
1036336;1425166501;ben_vulpes;sure.
1036337;1425166510;ben_vulpes;even then, there's miles of pressed shitboard that can yet be erected.
1036338;1425166526;asciilifeform;can be erected by whom ?
1036339;1425166528;asciilifeform;paid in what ?
1036340;1425166529;ben_vulpes;why go through the trouble of confiscating, when again, funds for disbursement to the 'blessed poor' can be routed to the homebuilders?
1036341;1425166538;ben_vulpes;'opportunity grants'
1036342;1425166556;ben_vulpes;tax credits for sales to favorite sons.
1036343;1425166581;asciilifeform;basic hypothesis here: the machine is still burning fat, rather than own muscle, while what is being stolen is the surplus
1036344;1425166589;asciilifeform;when it is the principal - the physical shortages begin
1036345;1425166596;asciilifeform;and things turn openly soviet
1036346;1425166656;ben_vulpes;is orlov's account of the soviet collapse halfway accurate?
1036347;1425166670;ben_vulpes;'reinventing collapse'?
1036348;1425166673;asciilifeform;100% accurate, allowing for survivor bias
1036349;1425166676;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 152437 @ 0.00041127 = 62.6928 BTC [+]
1036350;1425166688;asciilifeform;(the folks who got the worst of it, are not here and are certainly not writing books in engl.)
1036351;1425166720;asciilifeform;he devotes a few pages to them.
1036352;1425166728;ben_vulpes;i'm interested in the survivor's tale. taking notes on how to get the least fucked.
1036353;1425166749;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: then read mr o's 'post-soviet lessons' at the very least
1036354;1425166750;asciilifeform;it's on www.
1036355;1425166775;asciilifeform;if you like dead tree, it's 'reinventing collapse', 'hold your applause', and 'the five stages of collapse' in that order.
1036356;1425166795;ben_vulpes;i shall
1036357;1425166805;asciilifeform;(personal recommendation. his later stuff, i'm not a fan of, anarchoprimitivism is not my cup of poison)
1036358;1425166859;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=22-12-2013#429514
1036359;1425166859;assbot;Logged on 22-12-2013 19:11:43; asciilifeform: http://www.fromthewilderness.com/free/ww3/060105_soviet_lessons.shtml
1036360;1425166866;asciilifeform;^ parts 2 and 3 in same thread below there.
1036361;1425167166;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: basic observation (by no means mine! or even solely orlov's) is that collapse comes 'in fits.' for example, at the moment it did not occur to you to think that obtaining drywall or labourers to knock together a 'shitboard' house, could ever be problematic
1036362;1425167191;asciilifeform;just as you might think, while driving car, that you might run out of fuel, but not out of air
1036363;1425167244;asciilifeform;there is actually a small drywall (sheets) factory not far from where i live
1036364;1425167255;asciilifeform;dingiest, most run-down industrial landscape one could hope to meet
1036365;1425167268;asciilifeform;first few times i walked past it, was convinced that it was abandoned
1036366;1425167273;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform i can read russian poetry a lot better once someone's conveniently done 99% of the work, found the equivalents, set out the rhyming scheme etc
1036367;1425167274;asciilifeform;but then, one time after sundown, saw the lights
1036368;1425167295;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: i'll do that one next, quite possibly
1036369;1425167305;asciilifeform;when shiva hand or two frees up for a spell
1036370;1425167333;mircea_popescu;<asciilifeform> probably 'name own price' << yeah, right. usg would rather have google translated material by some crafty armenian at "pay grade" than pay what competent guy asks.
1036371;1425167338;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: and the factory churns on, because the trucks carrying gypsum come on schedule, the roughnecks show up, etc
1036372;1425167351;asciilifeform;but what if one of the ingredients went missing. or hiccuped.
1036373;1425167401;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=28-02-2015#1036312 << "we only pick fighters we know we can put the fear of god in".
1036374;1425167401;assbot;Logged on 28-02-2015 23:24:13; asciilifeform: though folks who differ from above portrait solely in the have-money part (e.g. shrem) are also a favourite prey animal
1036375;1425167401;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: translators... armenian << actually usg translator racket is - traditionally - ultra-lucrative. complete with own boom'n'bust cycles
1036376;1425167406;mircea_popescu;you ever seen that film ?
1036377;1425167413;asciilifeform;which
1036378;1425167425;mircea_popescu;miller's crossing.
1036379;1425167427;mircea_popescu;must see.
1036380;1425167436;*;asciilifeform adds to list
1036381;1425167456;mircea_popescu;put it at the top, tis great.
1036382;1425167475;asciilifeform;was that the one where 'i'm not selling a license to shoot bookies today'
1036383;1425167490;mircea_popescu;you ain't bought a license to kill bookies, and today i ain't sellin' any.
1036384;1425167494;asciilifeform;^
1036385;1425167494;mircea_popescu;so take yer flunkie an' dangle.
1036386;1425167495;asciilifeform;aha!
1036387;1425167591;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16600 @ 0.00041197 = 6.8387 BTC [+]
1036388;1425167629;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=28-02-2015#1036333 << so soviet.
1036389;1425167629;assbot;Logged on 28-02-2015 23:34:24; asciilifeform: some politically important ethnic minority, for instance, might enjoy living in ben_vulpes's house
1036390;1425167674;asciilifeform;why not 'so french' or - hell - 'so roman'
1036391;1425167699;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=28-02-2015#1036352 << keep  a harem, of women that have no children, no pity and can shoot.
1036392;1425167699;assbot;Logged on 28-02-2015 23:38:48; ben_vulpes: i'm interested in the survivor's tale. taking notes on how to get the least fucked.
1036393;1425167711;asciilifeform;^ works best on atomic dirigible
1036394;1425167712;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform because your folk's special alf :D
1036395;1425167713;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 32344 @ 0.00041197 = 13.3248 BTC [+] {2} 
1036396;1425167771;mircea_popescu;btw i sent the archive.today guy a note, if he shows up him
1036397;1425167799;asciilifeform;what was this
1036398;1425167814;mircea_popescu;!s existential
1036399;1425167815;assbot;15 results for 'existential' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=existential
1036400;1425167829;mircea_popescu;first hit
1036401;1425167830;asciilifeform;aha
1036402;1425167831;asciilifeform;found.
1036403;1425167901;asciilifeform;'So far there has been only one issue with the text content: publishing of drug production recipes is illegal in Russia, so we received a request from the government agency to hide them from visitors from Russia (otherwise they would block the whole site). Visitors from other countries can see those pages.'
1036404;1425167903;asciilifeform;^ lol
1036405;1425167907;asciilifeform;this is actually a thing
1036406;1425167914;asciilifeform;occasionally