962473;1420070414;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 2700 @ 0.00115512 = 3.1188 BTC [+] {4} 
962474;1420070475;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 1100 @ 0.00115063 = 1.2657 BTC [-] {3} 
962475;1420070536;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 1230 @ 0.00115739 = 1.4236 BTC [+] {6} 
962476;1420071476;kakobrekla;so due to this thing called new year there is 57 bets waiting resolution. good luck to the mods.
962477;1420073098;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 948 @ 0.00116497 = 1.1044 BTC [+]
962478;1420074071;mod6;looks like decimation scored the highest bash of 2014: http://bash.bitcoin-assets.com/?quote=304
962479;1420074072;assbot;#bitcoin-assets bash ... ( http://bit.ly/1tCJp7K )
962480;1420074215;cazalla;wasn't point score reset like 3-4 months back?
962481;1420074231;cazalla;i distinctly remember the top ones disappearing
962482;1420074379;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25050 @ 0.00066898 = 16.7579 BTC [+] {2} 
962483;1420074437;mod6;oh, good question cazalla. i don't know. might have been.
962484;1420074514;kakobrekla;i changed the voting system a few times.
962485;1420074522;mod6;ah. ok.
962486;1420075968;cazalla;http://qntra.net/2015/01/qntra-s-qntr-december-2014-statement/
962487;1420075969;assbot;Qntra (S.QNTR) December 2014 Statement | Qntra.net ... ( http://bit.ly/1Bj0TVs )
962488;1420078222;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22379 @ 0.00064126 = 14.3508 BTC [-]
962489;1420079321;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14262 @ 0.00061536 = 8.7763 BTC [-] {2} 
962490;1420079870;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35250 @ 0.00061505 = 21.6805 BTC [-] {2} 
962491;1420079930;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12550 @ 0.00063672 = 7.9908 BTC [+]
962492;1420080152;cazalla;http://qntra.net/2015/01/japanese-newspaper-reports-99-of-bitcoins-at-mt-gox-lost-due-to-fraud/ might be a case of shit being lost in translation but we'll see
962493;1420080153;assbot;Japanese Newspaper Reports 99% Of Bitcoins At Mt.Gox Lost Due To Fraud | Qntra.net ... ( http://bit.ly/1HhmZvh )
962494;1420081467;thestringpuller;whoa that is nutz cazalla
962495;1420082858;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20505 @ 0.00061419 = 12.594 BTC [-] {2} 
962496;1420083524;cazalla;http://qntra.net/2015/01/south-african-tax-review-expresses-concerns-regarding-bitcoin/
962497;1420083524;assbot;South African Tax Review Expresses Concerns Regarding Bitcoin | Qntra.net ... ( http://bit.ly/1xBlsM9 )
962498;1420083531;cazalla;one for fluffypony
962499;1420085359;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 51743 @ 0.0006094 = 31.5322 BTC [-] {3} 
962500;1420085603;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14646 @ 0.00060568 = 8.8708 BTC [-]
962501;1420087308;Adlai;let's see if paycoin can bounce like mpex! https://cryptrader.com/charts/bittrex/xpy/btc
962502;1420087310;assbot;  Charts - XPY / BTC on bittrex - Live CryptoCurrency Price Charts in Real Time | CrypTrader  ... ( http://bit.ly/1zyQFxQ )
962503;1420088112;mod6;;;ticker
962504;1420088113;gribble;Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 313.9, Best ask: 314.0, Bid-ask spread: 0.10000, Last trade: 314.0, 24 hour volume: 6727.60237700, 24 hour low: 311.0, 24 hour high: 321.0, 24 hour vwap: 312.435104103
962505;1420088897;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13000 @ 0.00060141 = 7.8183 BTC [-] {2} 
962506;1420089202;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9975 @ 0.00060568 = 6.0417 BTC [+]
962507;1420089507;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3100 @ 0.00061567 = 1.9086 BTC [+] {2} 
962508;1420090056;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 32357 @ 0.00062238 = 20.1383 BTC [+]
962509;1420091642;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22602 @ 0.00063673 = 14.3914 BTC [+] {2} 
962510;1420092557;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4135 @ 0.00064099 = 2.6505 BTC [+]
962511;1420095180;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16345 @ 0.00063536 = 10.385 BTC [-] {2} 
962512;1420095241;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 51272 @ 0.00064232 = 32.933 BTC [+] {2} 
962513;1420096095;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13000 @ 0.00064688 = 8.4094 BTC [+] {3} 
962514;1420096461;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 38050 @ 0.00065744 = 25.0156 BTC [+]
962515;1420098589;fluffypony;cazalla: Gordhan is a smart man, but they're doing exactly as expected - they're just going to copy what everyone else is doign
962516;1420098590;fluffypony;*doing
962517;1420099328;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15956 @ 0.00064045 = 10.219 BTC [-] {2} 
962518;1420101036;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19050 @ 0.00063511 = 12.0988 BTC [-]
962519;1420101606;cazalla;fluffypony, looks like he bailed from position of finance minister so it'll fall to someone else anyway
962520;1420102317;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29300 @ 0.00062522 = 18.3189 BTC [-] {2} 
962521;1420103415;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26903 @ 0.00062225 = 16.7404 BTC [-] {2} 
962522;1420105550;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26118 @ 0.00060761 = 15.8696 BTC [-]
962523;1420107075;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3307 @ 0.00060024 = 1.985 BTC [-]
962524;1420107197;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8931 @ 0.00060419 = 5.396 BTC [+]
962525;1420109210;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 44996 @ 0.00062151 = 27.9655 BTC [+]
962526;1420111589;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24865 @ 0.00061231 = 15.2251 BTC [-] {2} 
962527;1420111650;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24335 @ 0.00059899 = 14.5764 BTC [-]
962528;1420116469;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12589 @ 0.00063104 = 7.9442 BTC [+] {2} 
962529;1420116897;mats;https://bugs.php.net/bug.php?id=68594 RIP
962530;1420116898;assbot;PHP :: Sec Bug #68594 :: Use after free vulnerability in unserialize() ... ( http://bit.ly/13L2kAz )
962531;1420120312;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13100 @ 0.00063596 = 8.3311 BTC [+]
962532;1420120739;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12238 @ 0.00063596 = 7.7829 BTC [+]
962533;1420123362;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13700 @ 0.00064622 = 8.8532 BTC [+]
962534;1420125070;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12500 @ 0.00063596 = 7.9495 BTC [-]
962535;1420125619;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16507 @ 0.00063236 = 10.4384 BTC [-] {2} 
962536;1420126108;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 32851 @ 0.00062508 = 20.5345 BTC [-] {2} 
962537;1420129096;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19850 @ 0.00064632 = 12.8295 BTC [+] {2} 
962538;1420131499;kakobrekla;http://ultrakeet.com.au/write-ups/microcontrollers-not-allowed
962539;1420131500;assbot;UltraKeet Australia - Microcontrollers NOT ALLOWED (or how to troll your college instructor) ... ( http://bit.ly/14ffUxo )
962540;1420132451;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 1386 @ 0.00103912 = 1.4402 BTC [-] {9} 
962541;1420133456;kakobrekla;!up dubs
962542;1420133648;xanthyos;dubs is a friend of danielpbarron and mine, we go back years and he's down on his luck, homeless, and not very good at accepting help graciously or taking technical directions.  the wot could save him if he'd put in the least bit of effort
962543;1420133678;xanthyos;can only lead a stubborn dehydrated horse to water so many times before it turns to jerky
962544;1420136172;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 39712 @ 0.000644 = 25.5745 BTC [-]
962545;1420136660;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2600 @ 0.00064769 = 1.684 BTC [+]
962546;1420137340;punkman;hello asseteers, a healthy and prosperous new year to all
962547;1420137407;punkman;http://www.pokerstars.gr/en/poker/room/support/pwt-faq/ <- mega lol
962548;1420137408;assbot;Default Heading Text DCR ... ( http://bit.ly/14fppww )
962549;1420137433;punkman;any poker room recommendations?
962550;1420137453;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 4747 @ 0.00112399 = 5.3356 BTC [+] {4} 
962551;1420137511;xanthyos;punkman: there's a 2 BTC freeroll on nitrogensports.eu registration starts in 1.5 hours and it starts 2 housr after that
962552;1420137516;xanthyos;special new years freeroll
962553;1420137521;xanthyos;the site is horrendous though, do not deposit
962554;1420137540;punkman;I don't really play tourneys n stuff
962555;1420137542;xanthyos;pokerstars is my favorite but i can't buy in from the US
962556;1420137556;punkman;yeah 20% tax on winnings is insane
962557;1420137563;punkman;in my case
962558;1420137565;xanthyos;wow
962559;1420137571;thestringpuller;need gpg poker
962560;1420137576;xanthyos;YES
962561;1420137583;xanthyos;a gribble-centric poker bot
962562;1420137598;thestringpuller;one day
962563;1420137606;thestringpuller;happy new years all
962564;1420137612;thestringpuller;hope everyone made it home safe
962565;1420137629;thestringpuller;pretty sure mp is buried in women right nao
962566;1420137630;punkman;there's a couple open source irc poker bots
962567;1420137676;thestringpuller;punkman is deedbot scrapped? punkbot was dope
962568;1420137758;punkman;nah it's coming back
962569;1420137797;*;thestringpuller is excited
962570;1420137853;thestringpuller;xanthyos: gribble is really centric. but also a goof keystore. thats why i like punkman's auth model that is sinilar to mpex
962571;1420137866;thestringpuller;good*
962572;1420137907;danielpbarron;gribble is for keeping the ratings that determine who may play at the same table as you
962573;1420137917;punkman;omg, my ISP is blocking 888poker
962574;1420137927;punkman;wtf is going on around here
962575;1420138041;punkman;"u r not allowed to gamble without us taking a cut, kthxby"
962576;1420138042;xanthyos;thestringpuller: what if we created a #bitcoin-assets pokerstars home game club and had a way that every account generated was tied to a gribble-authed account, and use it as both a gaming platform as well as a record-keeping ledger for off-blockchain track of wins and losses
962577;1420138113;xanthyos;pokerstars auth isn't as complicated as gpg so you might want to have a policy that each player has to prove themselves in irc before each game
962578;1420138125;xanthyos;and confirm they are the one playing that account
962579;1420138262;punkman;oh great new law also bans Visa from letting me use monies for gambling. when did I move to USA?
962580;1420138792;*;kakobrekla sorta has a bitcoin poker site in some drawer somewhere
962581;1420138990;thestringpuller;xanthyos: well gpg authing into the poker engine provides some level of non-repduiation
962582;1420139008;thestringpuller;so i figure that would cut down on a lot
962583;1420139025;thestringpuller;"minimize derpiness"
962584;1420139406;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18900 @ 0.00064769 = 12.2413 BTC [+]
962585;1420139827;thestringpuller;http://bitconsultants.org/integration << "the premiere bitpay integration partner"
962586;1420139833;thestringpuller;they are experts
962587;1420140321;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10700 @ 0.00063982 = 6.8461 BTC [-] {2} 
962588;1420142646;scoopbot;New post on Trilema by Mircea Popescu: http://trilema.com/2015/mark-epstein-aka-ipistenu-is-a-thoroughly-clueless-poser/
962589;1420142686;danielpbarron;!up Ho
962590;1420142711;Ho;Aloha
962591;1420143187;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 59000 @ 0.00063784 = 37.6326 BTC [-] {2} 
962592;1420143370;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 990 @ 0.00108 = 1.0692 BTC [+]
962593;1420143380;kakobrekla;!up asdfgh
962594;1420143396;asdfgh;Aloha
962595;1420143439;kakobrekla;hi
962596;1420143525;kakobrekla;how can i help you? you looking for cult application form perhaps?
962597;1420143638;asdfgh;no thanks
962598;1420143687;kakobrekla;smoke and a pancake?
962599;1420143731;ben_vulpes;bong and a blince?
962600;1420143786;asdfgh;that would be fine, thanks
962601;1420143856;kakobrekla;good call.
962602;1420144089;punkman;so I sometime get redirected to "Verified By Visa" page, always click "No thanks" button. This time it was disabled. I enabled it and clicked, didn't work. Decide to fill out the fucking form, didn't work. Maybe I should post form again...
962603;1420144103;punkman;"For your convenience, your card is now blocked"
962604;1420144110;mod6;<+kakobrekla> smoke and a pancake? << haha
962605;1420144158;punkman;if I wasn't already smoker, I'd probably start right about now
962606;1420145078;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14100 @ 0.00064503 = 9.0949 BTC [+]
962607;1420145454;cazalla;xanthyos, why would you want to play poker against people from this room?
962608;1420145464;xanthyos;why wouldn't i?
962609;1420145478;xanthyos;to know who i'm playing would make it a much better game
962610;1420145498;cazalla;;;later tell PeterL you need to speak to jurov regarding shares
962611;1420145499;gribble;The operation succeeded.
962612;1420145504;xanthyos;each account authenticated as a separate individual with wot accountability
962613;1420145525;xanthyos;rather than playing networks of collusion bots
962614;1420145565;cazalla;xanthyos, i don't see the edge in playing with smart folk from here, at least for me personally, wot or no wot
962615;1420145581;xanthyos;i'm not looking for an edge
962616;1420145594;xanthyos;i prefer playing poker against better players
962617;1420145601;xanthyos;hard to get idiots to fold
962618;1420145638;cazalla;why would you want idiots to fold? you want them to stay in and put even more money in the pot
962619;1420145691;xanthyos;you'd think that
962620;1420145730;xanthyos;but if you have a bunch of people collectively drawing out on your hand it will be cracked
962621;1420145769;xanthyos;the hand never favors you enough to not want to be able to take it down when you want
962622;1420145782;xanthyos;poker's designed that way so there's always outs
962623;1420145789;xanthyos;unless you have the nuts
962624;1420145896;xanthyos;also i'd rather play against several great players than one shitty player who is running 5 bots on the same table
962625;1420145924;xanthyos;and wot integration is a way to make that less likely, not foolproof though
962626;1420145972;cazalla;i'd much rather play with people who play every single hand to the river than a bunch of folk with a VPIP of 10-15% even if they 'respect my hand' and fold
962627;1420146017;xanthyos;yes, if they are different people.
962628;1420146034;xanthyos;do you have a lot of experience playing online?
962629;1420146281;cazalla;not since 07-08
962630;1420146300;cazalla;don't get me wrong, playing with #b-a folk would make for an enjoyable game, just unlikely a profitable one
962631;1420146342;xanthyos;not to mention i think my bankroll is much lower than the average #b-a regular
962632;1420146360;cazalla;perhaps on account of wanting people to respect and fold to you?
962633;1420146860;mod6;http://thebitcoin.foundation/ml/btc-dev/2015-January/000026.html
962634;1420146861;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1AfwCqU )
962635;1420147209;kakobrekla;!up Elaborate
962636;1420147457;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8440 @ 0.00064503 = 5.4441 BTC [+]
962637;1420147545;cazalla;mod6, i'll ask bingoboingo to promote that later given i'm not really technically apt to know what i'm reporting on
962638;1420148015;davout;ohai & happy 2015 all
962639;1420148656;kakobrekla;no u!
962640;1420150690;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5300 @ 0.00063644 = 3.3731 BTC [-]
962641;1420151422;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12910 @ 0.00064503 = 8.3273 BTC [+]
962642;1420152569;kakobrekla;bb on no strike again :)
962643;1420155658;mod6;cazalla: no worries. let me know if you guys have any questions.
962644;1420155696;ben_vulpes;further adventures in bending macos to my will: the "menu bar" is hideable via configuring X11 to launch in "presentation mode", but afaik that space is still unusable.
962645;1420155732;ben_vulpes;"banishing" the mouse to the lower left will trigger a dock emergence, and "banishing" the mouse to the upper right will similarly trigger a "menu bar" animation.
962646;1420155752;*;ben_vulpes must piss on each and every electric fence.
962647;1420155759;ben_vulpes;"is this one wired up?"
962648;1420155772;ben_vulpes;"they're all wired up. this is cattle country.
962649;1420155774;ben_vulpes;"
962650;1420155875;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 51350 @ 0.00063545 = 32.6304 BTC [-] {4} 
962651;1420157522;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18000 @ 0.00062771 = 11.2988 BTC [-] {2} 
962652;1420158803;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26250 @ 0.00062734 = 16.4677 BTC [-] {3} 
962653;1420159047;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 1057 @ 0.00109998 = 1.1627 BTC [-]
962654;1420159596;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35900 @ 0.00062646 = 22.4899 BTC [-] {2} 
962655;1420160633;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34853 @ 0.00062337 = 21.7263 BTC [-] {2} 
962656;1420162097;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21454 @ 0.00062289 = 13.3635 BTC [-]
962657;1420162219;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19800 @ 0.0006157 = 12.1909 BTC [-]
962658;1420163240;mike_c;ooh, happy new year to me.  216 qntra shares.
962659;1420164415;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20800 @ 0.00063573 = 13.2232 BTC [+] {2} 
962660;1420166550;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23000 @ 0.00063704 = 14.6519 BTC [+]
962661;1420166672;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 47896 @ 0.00063254 = 30.2961 BTC [-] {2} 
962662;1420167962;thestringpuller;;;later tell mircea_popescu http://i.imgur.com/O8Lwa6D.png
962663;1420167962;gribble;The operation succeeded.
962664;1420168075;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11050 @ 0.00064217 = 7.096 BTC [+] {2} 
962665;1420168085;mod6;haha
962666;1420168258;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 2000 @ 0.00106257 = 2.1251 BTC [-] {8} 
962667;1420169661;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17412 @ 0.00064651 = 11.257 BTC [+] {2} 
962668;1420169722;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20595 @ 0.00064909 = 13.368 BTC [+]
962669;1420170637;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 2000 @ 0.00109425 = 2.1885 BTC [+] {6} 
962670;1420170698;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 1892 @ 0.00109123 = 2.0646 BTC [-] {3} 
962671;1420170759;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 1634 @ 0.001099 = 1.7958 BTC [+] {2} 
962672;1420171613;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4555 @ 0.00064909 = 2.9566 BTC [+]
962673;1420172589;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 36129 @ 0.00065308 = 23.5951 BTC [+]
962674;1420173235;decimation;re: professions being continuously destroyed: http://www.nachi.org/forum/f58/home-depot-now-rents-out-flir-cameras-58176/ << hilarity - 'home inspectors' are whining that you can now rent an infrared camera from the local hardware store - now who is gonna pay for their 'service'?
962675;1420173237;assbot; Home Depot now rents out Flir cameras - InterNACHI Inspection Forum ... ( http://bit.ly/176MylV )
962676;1420173364;[]bot;Bet created: "S&P 500 to post 9th straight quarter of gains" http://bitbet.us/bet/1091/
962677;1420173402;decimation;who would bet against the inflation machine?
962678;1420173565;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8100 @ 0.00065308 = 5.2899 BTC [+]
962679;1420174297;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11100 @ 0.00065308 = 7.2492 BTC [+]
962680;1420174299;cazalla;;;rate rassah -1 thinks it is too difficult to vet speakers but not too difficult to collect sponsorship money from them http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/2r0twz/josh_garza_must_not_be_allowed_to_speak_at_the/cnbuxyx?context=3
962681;1420174301;assbot;cazalla662 comments on Josh Garza must not be allowed to speak at the Miami Bitcoin Conference! ... ( http://bit.ly/176NEy4 )
962682;1420174301;gribble;Rating entry successful. Your rating of -1 for user rassah has been recorded.
962683;1420174573;decimation;I would like to put in a good word for KnC miner.  I ordered a Neptune from them last year (paid in bitcoin), I later canceled the order, and they wired the fiat to my bank (my choice).  It took them 6 months to pay, but they paid.
962684;1420174597;PeterL;jurov_: cazalla says I should talk to you about shares for Qntra?
962685;1420174706;PeterL;some exciting football today, anybody else watching it?
962686;1420175076;PeterL;I admit I was jumping up and down and shouting at my TV as the MSU Spartans pulled out a tight win
962687;1420175578;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 42250 @ 0.00064734 = 27.3501 BTC [-] {2} 
962688;1420176310;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10200 @ 0.00065308 = 6.6614 BTC [+]
962689;1420176554;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17000 @ 0.00065308 = 11.1024 BTC [+]
962690;1420176981;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21945 @ 0.00063854 = 14.0128 BTC [-]
962691;1420177311;thestringpuller;cazalla: "I helped run plenty of conferences. I do have an idea. The priority is to make sure you have a conference that runs well enough that people don't notice the problems, and that everyone who paid to attend it gets their money's worth. Who actually paid to make it happen is a bit lower on the priority." << LOL FUCKING L
962692;1420177469;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11900 @ 0.00062711 = 7.4626 BTC [-]
962693;1420177957;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 56949 @ 0.0006211 = 35.371 BTC [-] {3} 
962694;1420179071;pete_dushenski;feliz nuevo ano!
962695;1420179118;pete_dushenski;;;later tell peterl am i going to have to do my own post scooping until i'm *completely* grey?
962696;1420179119;gribble;The operation succeeded.
962697;1420179146;pete_dushenski;lots to catch up on...
962698;1420179156;pete_dushenski;http://www.contravex.com/2014/12/22/an-exercise-in-buying-17-russian-bonds/
962699;1420179157;assbot;An exercise in buying 17% Russian bonds | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski ... ( http://bit.ly/1ydPngl )
962700;1420179166;pete_dushenski;http://www.contravex.com/2014/12/24/the-big-box-store-that-wasnt-and-other-australian-architectural-marvels/
962701;1420179167;assbot;The big box store that wasn’t, and other Australian architectural marvels | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski ... ( http://bit.ly/1ydPnNm )
962702;1420179174;pete_dushenski;http://www.contravex.com/2014/12/27/dear-non-violent-cash-strapped-governments-have-you-considered-exile-instead-of-prison/
962703;1420179176;assbot;Dear non-violent, cash-strapped governments: have you considered exile instead of prison? | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski ... ( http://bit.ly/1ydPrg2 )
962704;1420179182;pete_dushenski;http://www.contravex.com/2014/12/29/immigration-policy-is-about-barriers-to-entry-not-fairness-or-how-paul-graham-thinks-programmers-are-inventors/
962705;1420179183;assbot;Immigration policy is about barriers to entry, not fairness; or how Paul Graham thinks programmers are inventors | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski ... ( http://bit.ly/1ydPp80 )
962706;1420179190;pete_dushenski;http://www.contravex.com/2014/12/31/the-search-for-decency-and-the-opposite-of-iatrogenics/
962707;1420179191;assbot;The search for decency and the opposite of iatrogenics | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski ... ( http://bit.ly/1ydPvwk )
962708;1420179231;pete_dushenski;;;later tell asciilifeform http://www.contravex.com/2014/12/29/immigration-policy-is-about-barriers-to-entry-not-fairness-or-how-paul-graham-thinks-programmers-are-inventors/#comment-7651
962709;1420179232;assbot;Immigration policy is about barriers to entry, not fairness; or how Paul Graham thinks programmers are inventors | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski ... ( http://bit.ly/1ydPCYN )
962710;1420179232;gribble;The operation succeeded.
962711;1420179251;cazalla;thestringpuller, top fucking kek eh but what can ya do, people love these events for some reason even if they are nothing more than an herbalife pitchfest
962712;1420179307;pete_dushenski;cazalla: he comes to australia, shits all over our costco monuments and leaves << hey now, i loved your costco!
962713;1420179402;pete_dushenski;re: conferences << this is an essential post-modern industry
962714;1420179443;pete_dushenski;every major city is either in the process of building a mega-opulent conferenceplex or has already done so in the last 5 years
962715;1420179457;cazalla;pete_dushenski, i can't say i've been despite one opening around the corner from here a year ago.. pay to enter? what sort of american scheme is that?
962716;1420179458;pete_dushenski;melbourne just finished one and sydney's is under construction
962717;1420179499;pete_dushenski;cazalla if you go on a busy saturday you can just point to someone else in line and say that you're "with them"
962718;1420179511;pete_dushenski;then borrow someone's card at checkout
962719;1420179524;pete_dushenski;at least that's what i did last time i set foot in one
962720;1420179541;cazalla;and then i can get a special deal on 20kg of hfcs eh
962721;1420179572;pete_dushenski;for your family of 9
962722;1420179608;pete_dushenski;the last time i was in a costco they didn't accept cash, visa, or mastercard, only amex and debit
962723;1420179620;pete_dushenski;such a weird flavour of bezzle
962724;1420179779;thestringpuller;oh its a pete_dushenski
962725;1420179790;thestringpuller;how come you haven't visited cazalla you big meanie
962726;1420179792;thestringpuller;LOL
962727;1420179793;thestringpuller;jkjk
962728;1420179795;pete_dushenski;thestringpuller heya rap star
962729;1420179811;pete_dushenski;what so i could give him a foot massage?
962730;1420179822;cazalla;thestringpuller, let the man tour oz without need to visit qntra office / kids bedroom
962731;1420179834;thestringpuller;XD
962732;1420179843;thestringpuller;a drinking buddy!
962733;1420179845;thestringpuller;lolol
962734;1420179867;ben_vulpes;;;later tell gabriel_laddel stumpwm it is, although the nomenclature stems from ratpoison unless if i'm doing my archaeology correctly
962735;1420179867;gribble;The operation succeeded.
962736;1420179898;thestringpuller;"We only accept Amex" << that's the complete inverse of what you normally hear
962737;1420179907;pete_dushenski;ikr!
962738;1420179922;ben_vulpes;it's because amex rarely bounces, being a rich person charge card.
962739;1420179930;ben_vulpes;or has chargebacks, ibid.
962740;1420179943;thestringpuller;it's also expensive as fuck to accept it as a merchant
962741;1420179945;pete_dushenski;but the feez!
962742;1420179966;ben_vulpes;what's the restocking cost for 2 cosco-sized shopping carts?
962743;1420179971;ben_vulpes;costco*
962744;1420179981;pete_dushenski;right, you'd think low-margin operators like costco would do the bubble tea store style of cash/debit only
962745;1420180024;ben_vulpes;most american POS operators are debit/credit agnostic in my experience.
962746;1420180048;ben_vulpes;pete_dushenski: did you ever actually close on any ru bonds?
962747;1420180049;pete_dushenski;eh their staffs are huge and everything is on the ground floor in big piles
962748;1420180059;thestringpuller;that's cause the payment processors only validate whether or not the account should go through or not
962749;1420180082;thestringpuller;it's just a EBDIC file iirc
962750;1420180109;pete_dushenski;ben_vulpes well... no, not yet. though it seems like an appropriate thing to add to the 2015 resolutions
962751;1420180114;thestringpuller;I also think the timeout on a credit card transaction wire is like 15-20 seconds
962752;1420180180;thestringpuller;it's funny how Gavin is all "I want bitcoin to compete with Visa/Mastercard", when anyone in Payment Processing knows those systems are seriously nigga rigged as is.
962753;1420180318;cazalla;pete_dushenski, i'd wager costco isn't doing too well here. aldi enjoys far more popularity as an alternative to the main 2 coles and woolworths
962754;1420180492;decimation;re: costco & amex << I suspect amex gives costco a deal (pays them) to force a large percentage of the upper-crust customer-base to have an amex card in their wallet
962755;1420180508;ben_vulpes;thestringpuller: "nigga rigged" << til
962756;1420180555;pete_dushenski;cazalla speaking of woolworth's, canada used to have a department store by the same name. went bankrupt a couple decades ago
962757;1420180563;thestringpuller;;;ud nigga rigged
962758;1420180564;gribble;http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=nigga+rigged | nigga rigged. Half assed way of fixing something that is busted. Often involving duct tape or whatever your broke ass has layin around the house. That fool nigga  ...
962759;1420180579;decimation;the original woolworths was a southern us store I believe
962760;1420180614;pete_dushenski;cazalla it was interesting to note where the same names popped up between canada and aus. everything from street names to stores to parks
962761;1420180624;pete_dushenski;mostly british-sounding
962762;1420180626;cazalla;we don't have a degrassi afaik
962763;1420180633;pete_dushenski;lol orly?
962764;1420180651;pete_dushenski;decimation hmm didn't know that
962765;1420180686;thestringpuller;LOL pete_dushenski watched degrassi jr. high ?!?!?
962766;1420180689;thestringpuller;hahaha yus!
962767;1420180693;thestringpuller;my year has been made
962768;1420180702;decimation;ah reading wikipedia, apparently the australian version of woolworths just stole the name, no actual business connection to the us store: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Woolworths_Limited
962769;1420180704;assbot;Woolworths Limited - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ... ( http://bit.ly/1ydTV6q )
962770;1420180726;pete_dushenski;thestringpuller omg no
962771;1420180769;decimation;same for south africa: "The chain was named after the United States chain F. W. Woolworth Company but, because of the contemporary trademark laws, the name was legally used without permission. No financial connection ever existed between the companies."
962772;1420180791;pete_dushenski;thieves!
962773;1420180793;decimation;man one can't get away with that kind of thing anymore
962774;1420180804;decimation;imagine some bloke in new zealand starting a store called 'walmart'
962775;1420180820;decimation;bezzle lawyers would sue you out of of your socks
962776;1420180824;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 45851 @ 0.00061581 = 28.2355 BTC [-] {2} 
962777;1420180852;pete_dushenski;decimation speaking of things you can't get away with anymore, i was watching a bit of the breakfast club today and... can you possibly imagine a school giving students 8-hour detentions on saturdays anymore??
962778;1420180864;decimation;lol yeah
962779;1420180873;decimation;the bitching and moaning would raise hell
962780;1420180885;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1884 @ 0.00062711 = 1.1815 BTC [+]
962781;1420180892;pete_dushenski;like seriously imagine: no phones, no computers, just desks, writing essays
962782;1420180903;decimation;my dad (who went to school in the 60's) told me that back then children were reguarlly spanked for misbehavior
962783;1420180915;decimation;he recalls that the us supreme court stopped all that around the late 60's
962784;1420180917;pete_dushenski;o for sure
962785;1420180936;pete_dushenski;my dad got a stick across the knuckles
962786;1420180944;decimation;somehow that's not even a political issue anymore
962787;1420180956;pete_dushenski;and both his parents were teachers at the school too so that might've been easy treatment!
962788;1420180970;decimation;or harsher, as the case may be
962789;1420180978;pete_dushenski;ya true
962790;1420181011;pete_dushenski;but parents who found out that their kids had been disciplined at school often disciplined the kid again at home
962791;1420181022;pete_dushenski;"the teacher is right, you ARE good for nothing"
962792;1420181056;pete_dushenski;now it's all "bobby is a speshul trainflake"
962793;1420181072;pete_dushenski;"how dare you give him a 50% on his test!"
962794;1420181084;pete_dushenski;"think of his self-esteem"
962795;1420181097;decimation;ugh it's true. read the logs about the german system ca. 1800's
962796;1420181123;decimation;nearly all the great science of the era came from people who were spanked as children
962797;1420181250;decimation;lolz http://www.gundersenhealth.org/ncptc/center-for-effective-discipline/discipline-at-home < "How is repressed anger often vented?[due to spanking as a child] By watching TV and playing video games to experience forbidden and stored up feelings of rage and anger, and by identifying with violent heroes. (Children who have never been beaten are less interested in cruel films, and, as adults, will not produce horror shows). "
962798;1420181252;assbot;Center for Effective Discipline Discipline at Home - Gundersen National Child Protection Training Center ... ( http://bit.ly/1Bq3kVR )
962799;1420181252;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 1362 @ 0.00103033 = 1.4033 BTC [-] {3} 
962800;1420181274;decimation;yeah I'm real sure that lazing around and watching tv is CAUSED by spanking
962801;1420181358;pete_dushenski;such derps
962802;1420181411;pete_dushenski;;;google contravex government funded research
962803;1420181413;gribble;No matches found.
962804;1420181439;pete_dushenski;not working eh? maybe time to switch to duckduckgo or something?
962805;1420181471;pete_dushenski;http://www.contravex.com/2014/11/08/why-government-funded-research-is-totally-fucking-borked/
962806;1420181472;assbot;Why Government-Funded Research Is Totally Fucking Borked | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski ... ( http://bit.ly/1ydVQrv )
962807;1420184363;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6212 @ 0.00061477 = 3.819 BTC [-]
962808;1420185512;scoopbot;New post on Trilema by Mircea Popescu: http://trilema.com/2015/investigations-in-the-bone-heap-of-the-lost-generation-today-mashable/
962809;1420186010;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10500 @ 0.00061477 = 6.4551 BTC [-]
962810;1420186986;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 1097 @ 0.001 = 1.097 BTC [+] {3} 
962811;1420187657;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25000 @ 0.00061477 = 15.3693 BTC [-]
962812;1420188390;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 37700 @ 0.00061558 = 23.2074 BTC [+]
962813;1420188450;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35900 @ 0.00061628 = 22.1245 BTC [+] {3} 
962814;1420189609;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7300 @ 0.00061653 = 4.5007 BTC [+]
962815;1420189670;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10024 @ 0.00061658 = 6.1806 BTC [+]
962816;1420189792;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7276 @ 0.00061658 = 4.4862 BTC [+]
962817;1420190082;mats;http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2015-01-01/kaisa-group-defaults-on-52-million-loan-after-chairman-resigns.html
962818;1420190085;assbot;Kaisa Group Defaults on $52 Million Loan After Chairman Resigns - Bloomberg ... ( http://bit.ly/1zYH34s )
962819;1420190280;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1671 @ 0.00061904 = 1.0344 BTC [+]
962820;1420190647;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28000 @ 0.00061904 = 17.3331 BTC [+]
962821;1420191561;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 41000 @ 0.00061474 = 25.2043 BTC [-] {2} 
962822;1420193136;ben_vulpes;;;ping
962823;1420193136;gribble;pong
962824;1420193452;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13743 @ 0.00061586 = 8.4638 BTC [+]
962825;1420193555;mats;a meow
962826;1420193612;mats;https://github.com/longld/peda
962827;1420193613;assbot;longld/peda · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/14hb8iH )
962828;1420193631;mats;a gdb plugin.
962829;1420193696;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22150 @ 0.00061919 = 13.7151 BTC [+] {2} 
962830;1420194550;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14360 @ 0.00061586 = 8.8437 BTC [-]
962831;1420194794;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24150 @ 0.00062051 = 14.9853 BTC [+] {2} 
962832;1420195350;ben_vulpes;;;ticker --currency xau
962833;1420195351;gribble;Bitstamp BTCXAU ticker | Best bid: 0.251384, Best ask: 0.25196, Bid-ask spread: 0.00058, Last trade: 0.251376, 24 hour volume: 2712.51049237, 24 hour low: 0.249568, 24 hour high: 0.253896, 24 hour vwap: 0.251760177176
962834;1420195806;mats;http://recon.cx/2014/slides/Recon%202014%20Skochinsky.pdf intel mgmt engine
962835;1420195807;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1zZ2PFu )
962836;1420196990;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 3098 @ 0.00091325 = 2.8292 BTC [-] {4} 
962837;1420200284;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 42400 @ 0.00062518 = 26.5076 BTC [+] {3} 
962838;1420201272;ben_vulpes;;;seen xdotcommer
962839;1420201272;gribble;xdotcommer was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 25 weeks, 3 days, 12 hours, 21 minutes, and 1 second ago: <xdotcommer> <- chem noob
962840;1420201329;ben_vulpes;"ballmer peak" is kind of misleading. it's more of a surfing phenomenon.
962841;1420201448;ben_vulpes;and to those following along with the "minimum viable bitcoind" saga at home, while createrawtransaction and signrawtransaction entered ~0.7, gettxoutsetinfo is not included.
962842;1420201500;ben_vulpes;it may be unfair to tar all work done since satoshi with the power rangers brush. gettxoutsetinfo + createrawtransaction + signrawtransaction are pretty close to a minimum viable bitcoind.
962843;1420201537;ben_vulpes;and gettxoutsetinfo by my (late, addled) research doesn't seem to appear before 0.8 something
962844;1420201550;ben_vulpes;even conformal's implementation doesn't do that.
962845;1420201572;ben_vulpes;pretty horribly named command, though: "gettxoutsetinfo".
962846;1420201607;ben_vulpes;nominally, returns interesting data about the unspent outputs pool. the output of which one should be able to grep through to find ones own unspent transactions.
962847;1420201626;ben_vulpes;i say "should", as verifying this will entail building and booting an 0.8 or later node.
962848;1420201681;ben_vulpes;i've not found a clever way to encourage "git" to poop "tags" between given commits to STDOUT.
962849;1420201752;ben_vulpes;anyways, with the unspent outputs pool and ones pk's secured elsewhere on disk, a determined and angry bitcoiner should be able to manage their own wallets with a minimum of fuss.
962850;1420202481;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34400 @ 0.00061995 = 21.3263 BTC [-]
962851;1420203613;danielpbarron;;;view 21866
962852;1420203616;gribble;#21866 Fri Jan  2 03:00:52 2015 Kingdom BUY 1.0 video of OTC member for 10 min in a leotard telling a story though dance which moves me. @ 0.3 BTC (None)
962853;1420203822;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11917 @ 0.00062686 = 7.4703 BTC [+]
962854;1420205896;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20350 @ 0.00062686 = 12.7566 BTC [+]
962855;1420206018;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23011 @ 0.00062689 = 14.4254 BTC [+] {2} 
962856;1420206811;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29050 @ 0.00062825 = 18.2507 BTC [+] {2} 
962857;1420207970;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 4000 @ 0.0005 = 2 BTC [+]
962858;1420208519;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22764 @ 0.00063338 = 14.4183 BTC [+] {3} 
962859;1420210166;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35150 @ 0.0006386 = 22.4468 BTC [+] {2} 
962860;1420210422;thestringpuller;ben_vulpes: lol createrawtransaction is pretty thorough for setting up a transaction. i don't think it broadcasts though, just outputs a hash and string
962861;1420210502;mod6;sendrawtransaction
962862;1420210643;thestringpuller;i see how it is mod6
962863;1420210654;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 49500 @ 0.00064345 = 31.8508 BTC [+] {2} 
962864;1420210776;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 1593 @ 0.00084951 = 1.3533 BTC [-] {6} 
962865;1420210898;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 2282 @ 0.0008321 = 1.8989 BTC [-] {5} 
962866;1420211007;mod6;thestringpuller: there are a simple/complex example in here, although, not sure on the accuracy: https://bitcoin.org/en/developer-examples#simple-raw-transaction
962867;1420211009;assbot;Developer Examples - Bitcoin ... ( http://bit.ly/1CZ8HQ5 )
962868;1420211032;mod6;https://bitcoin.org/en/developer-examples#complex-raw-transaction
962869;1420211034;assbot;Developer Examples - Bitcoin ... ( http://bit.ly/1CZ8MmO )
962870;1420211081;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 1633 @ 0.0008 = 1.3064 BTC [-] {8} 
962871;1420211325;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 2000 @ 0.0007101 = 1.4202 BTC [-] {4} 
962872;1420211326;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10650 @ 0.00064574 = 6.8771 BTC [+] {2} 
962873;1420211386;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 2000 @ 0.00071003 = 1.4201 BTC [-] {2} 
962874;1420212058;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9000 @ 0.00064082 = 5.7674 BTC [-]
962875;1420212177;thestringpuller;mod6: "I run the streets all day, I don't get no sleep."
962876;1420212290;mod6;nope!
962877;1420212352;[]bot;Bet placed: 1 BTC for No on "Billion dollar bet?" http://bitbet.us/bet/1047/ Odds: 11(Y):89(N) by coin, 15(Y):85(N) by weight. Total bet: 18.32065114 BTC. Current weight: 35,755.
962878;1420212484;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29550 @ 0.00064082 = 18.9362 BTC [-]
962879;1420212485;HeySteve;wishing you all the best for 2015
962880;1420212728;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14576 @ 0.00064082 = 9.3406 BTC [-]
962881;1420212789;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17200 @ 0.00064637 = 11.1176 BTC [+] {2} 
962882;1420214925;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8448 @ 0.0006487 = 5.4802 BTC [+]
962883;1420215107;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12085 @ 0.00064082 = 7.7443 BTC [-]
962884;1420216085;thestringpuller;any love for ctags?
962885;1420216144;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 40604 @ 0.0006491 = 26.3561 BTC [+] {2} 
962886;1420216328;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3100 @ 0.00065096 = 2.018 BTC [+]
962887;1420216998;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5300 @ 0.00065096 = 3.4501 BTC [+]
962888;1420217425;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 3594 @ 0.00085989 = 3.0904 BTC [+] {2} 
962889;1420217670;jurov;qntra does not have extra section for its own monthly reports?
962890;1420217691;thestringpuller;goes on the frontpage usually
962891;1420217750;jurov;i'm interested in previous month, have to google it
962892;1420217755;thestringpuller;you can go to archives
962893;1420217768;thestringpuller;and it'll be the last article of each month
962894;1420217777;thestringpuller;(or at least toward the ends)
962895;1420217793;jurov;thestringpuller you obv did not do that :)
962896;1420217816;jurov;otherwise you'd know it's near start of next month
962897;1420217816;jurov;anyway, found it
962898;1420217845;jurov;PeterL: abut qntr shares see this: http://qntra.net/2014/12/qntra-s-qntr-november-2014-statement/#comment-2792
962899;1420217846;assbot;Qntra (S.QNTR) November 2014 Statement | Qntra.net ... ( http://bit.ly/1tyl9xP )
962900;1420217846;thestringpuller;haha. yea. i'm just a lowly qntra correspondent
962901;1420217846;jurov;and all others
962902;1420217915;jurov;will  start doing any requests next day after tmrw, or when the shares come, whichever is later
962903;1420217984;*;thestringpuller imagines MP releasing shares inside his harem on some yacht somewhere.
962904;1420218018;jurov;iirc it was submarine,no?
962905;1420218035;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10031 @ 0.00065096 = 6.5298 BTC [+]
962906;1420218584;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29633 @ 0.00064415 = 19.0881 BTC [-] {3} 
962907;1420220110;jurov;!t m f.mpif
962908;1420220110;assbot;Quest for vision is a great blessing.
962909;1420220121;jurov;i have it too easy
962910;1420220131;jurov;!mpif
962911;1420220132;assbot;BtcAlpha.com F.MPIF Tracker estimated NAV per share: 0.00021461 B (Total: 469.31 B). Delta: 0.11 B. Last trade for F.MPIF on MPEX was at 0.000195 BTC [-]
962912;1420220364;mod6;;;bc,stats
962913;1420220367;gribble;Current Blocks: 337146 | Current Difficulty: 4.064095501657649E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 338687 | Next Difficulty In: 1541 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 2 days, 5 hours, 27 minutes, and 39 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 45502189987.1 | Estimated Percent Change: 11.96142
962914;1420220391;thestringpuller;turn da rigs back on
962915;1420220403;thestringpuller;hash it up
962916;1420220659;danielpbarron;http://www.wittyfeed.com/story/1511/2/13-Selfies-Taken-Moments-Before-Death 21-year old Oscar Otero Aguilar lost his life when he tried to take a selfie with a gun for his Facebook page in July of 2014. The Mexican gun enthusiast accidentally shot himself in the head and didn't survive.
962917;1420220660;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1Be2jSW )
962918;1420221449;jurov;http://explo.yt/public/btcf_201412.txt.asc
962919;1420221449;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1Be54DL )
962920;1420221452;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35050 @ 0.00062488 = 21.902 BTC [-] {2} 
962921;1420221508;jurov;http://explo.yt/public/fmpif_201412.txt.asc
962922;1420221508;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1Be5fiC )
962923;1420221559;jurov;^ cazalla the bitcoin foundation and f.mpif statements. i'll make blogposts from them later
962924;1420221669;jurov;i should prolly make an overview who paid the tax, but such bureaucratic overhead would cause them to rise :DDD
962925;1420222023;thestringpuller;is anyone paying the tax?
962926;1420222051;thestringpuller;i've kept an eye on the depository but can't distinguish tax vs donations
962927;1420222184;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16500 @ 0.00061771 = 10.1922 BTC [-] {2} 
962928;1420223734;jurov;iirc mpoe and bitbet did
962929;1420223753;thestringpuller;gotcha
962930;1420223765;thestringpuller;i hope MP includes it in future statements
962931;1420223970;jurov;well.. it is already these 2 months
962932;1420224158;thestringpuller;ah
962933;1420224318;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 5000 @ 0.00092685 = 4.6343 BTC [+]
962934;1420224344;*;jurov looks at thestringpuller sternly
962935;1420224420;[]bot;Bet placed: 20 BTC for No on "Gold to drop under $1000 before Feb 2015" http://bitbet.us/bet/1080/ Odds: 6(Y):94(N) by coin, 10(Y):90(N) by weight. Total bet: 31.93238982 BTC. Current weight: 39,772.
962936;1420225050;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 7739 @ 0.00060996 = 4.7205 BTC [-]
962937;1420225233;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 322 @ 0.00464998 = 1.4973 BTC [+] {2} 
962938;1420225477;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14600 @ 0.00062079 = 9.0635 BTC [+]
962939;1420225721;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 1898 @ 0.0009208 = 1.7477 BTC [-] {4} 
962940;1420225782;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 2618 @ 0.00090001 = 2.3562 BTC [-] {3} 
962941;1420225904;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2511 @ 0.00061198 = 1.5367 BTC [+] {3} 
962942;1420225967;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29850 @ 0.00063477 = 18.9479 BTC [+] {3} 
962943;1420226209;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 202 @ 0.00699998 = 1.414 BTC [+] {3} 
962944;1420226698;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30550 @ 0.00064363 = 19.6629 BTC [+] {2} 
962945;1420226758;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9950 @ 0.00064582 = 6.4259 BTC [+] {2} 
962946;1420226758;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 1901 @ 0.00095079 = 1.8075 BTC [-] {4} 
962947;1420227380;kakobrekla;!up null123
962948;1420227540;HeySteve;just found a holiday project http://www.stormthecastle.com/catapult/mark-thomas-modified-ogre-catapult.htm
962949;1420227541;assbot;Modified Ogre Catapult ... ( http://bit.ly/1xD7cT4 )
962950;1420227795;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19900 @ 0.00064757 = 12.8866 BTC [+] {2} 
962951;1420228227;ben_vulpes;jurov: thanks!
962952;1420228371;ben_vulpes;fwiw, i don't see any need for tracking donors. anonymous charity is best charity.
962953;1420228388;ben_vulpes;(but also many thanks to our supporters :))
962954;1420228430;mod6;indeed. :]
962955;1420228649;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19650 @ 0.0006427 = 12.6291 BTC [-] {3} 
962956;1420228832;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21850 @ 0.00062802 = 13.7222 BTC [-]
962957;1420229151;[]bot;Bet placed: 1.25499999 BTC for No on "BTC to rally to $4000 before July 2015" http://bitbet.us/bet/1026/ Odds: 11(Y):89(N) by coin, 11(Y):89(N) by weight. Total bet: 11.7199 BTC. Current weight: 53,006.
962958;1420229819;scoopbot;New post on The Whet by han@thewhet: http://thewhet.net/2015/line-betting-on-bitbet-december-2014/
962959;1420229869;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18250 @ 0.00064435 = 11.7594 BTC [+]
962960;1420231211;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5200 @ 0.00065096 = 3.385 BTC [+]
962961;1420231484;cazalla;thestringpuller: is anyone paying the tax? <<< qntra yet to turn a profit, i'm yet to sell any shares so i don't believe i owe any, no gains from anything else to speak of
962962;1420231564;thestringpuller;Should just be BitBet and MPOE
962963;1420231828;thestringpuller;;;seen nubbins`
962964;1420231828;gribble;nubbins` was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 3 weeks, 1 day, 1 hour, 48 minutes, and 38 seconds ago: * nubbins` scampers
962965;1420231841;thestringpuller;oh damn nubbins` has vanished too :(
962966;1420231943;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 52496 @ 0.00065219 = 34.2374 BTC [+] {2} 
962967;1420233102;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6368 @ 0.00064435 = 4.1032 BTC [-]
962968;1420233590;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31519 @ 0.00063345 = 19.9657 BTC [-]
962969;1420234323;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24400 @ 0.00062912 = 15.3505 BTC [-] {2} 
962970;1420235298;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 63950 @ 0.00061724 = 39.4725 BTC [-] {6} 
962971;1420235481;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15050 @ 0.0006143 = 9.2452 BTC [-]
962972;1420236371;scoopbot;New post on Qntra.net by Bingo Boingo: http://qntra.net/2015/01/new-bitcoin-foundation-releases-year-end-report/
962973;1420236762;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6750 @ 0.00061404 = 4.1448 BTC [-] {2} 
962974;1420236914;mircea_popescu;ahh, happy new year everyone!
962975;1420236937;mircea_popescu;and now, to the log!
962976;1420236945;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7727 @ 0.00061131 = 4.7236 BTC [-]
962977;1420237006;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14000 @ 0.00060886 = 8.524 BTC [-]
962978;1420237067;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 86173 @ 0.00060104 = 51.7934 BTC [-] {6} 
962979;1420237860;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25500 @ 0.00062749 = 16.001 BTC [+]
962980;1420238276;mod6;wb mircea_popescu
962981;1420238285;mircea_popescu;how goes mod6 !
962982;1420238301;mod6;it goes! been busy. :)
962983;1420238348;mod6;foundation got a lot accomplished in December, but still have at least one defect to eradicate.
962984;1420238403;mod6;hopefully, won't be too bad.
962985;1420238419;mircea_popescu;:D
962986;1420238431;mod6;how was time afk?
962987;1420238701;mircea_popescu;actually... ok at first, but it wears thin pretty fast.
962988;1420238715;BingoBoingo;http://nknetobserver.github.io/
962989;1420238716;assbot;Your Friendly North Korean Network Observer by nknetobserver ... ( http://bit.ly/1v7nlMp )
962990;1420238737;mircea_popescu;i ended up fucking reading, which is roughly the equivalent of a gamer that ends up firing his nintendo gameboy because fuck this "real world" shit.
962991;1420238749;thestringpuller;huh?
962992;1420238751;mod6;heheh i hear ya
962993;1420238781;thestringpuller;game gear is where its at
962994;1420238785;mircea_popescu;low tech b-a, on dead trees. because the dirty little secret nobody wants to admit is that people sorted by geographical proximity yields an incredibly limited and ultimately boring set.
962995;1420238797;thestringpuller;you nintendo fanboiz pffft
962996;1420238823;mircea_popescu;that's why we don't fucking talk to people on the bus, in the train, at the bank. because outside the novelty of it, it's so god damned boring.
962997;1420238836;mircea_popescu;thestringpuller nono it was just an example.
962998;1420238853;thestringpuller;srsly tho, how can b-a be as boring as florida?
962999;1420238869;mircea_popescu;uh ?
963000;1420238873;cazalla;thestringpuller, game gear + tv = blown away back in the day
963001;1420238940;mircea_popescu;!s sporadic
963002;1420238941;assbot;13 results for 'sporadic' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=sporadic
963003;1420238986;mircea_popescu;look at that, like two weeks. wonder how long this'll take.
963004;1420239069;thestringpuller;cazalla: yah i think it did for all da kidz
963005;1420239074;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-12-2014#954797 << here's what blacklists are : some inept "Architect" designed a house that doesn't stand up, so some of the construction crew are left behind supporting walls and whatnot with their backs.
963006;1420239074;assbot;Logged on 16-12-2014 19:11:15; jurov: prolly not many
963007;1420239086;mircea_popescu;how long can this last ? and why would anyone do that instead of you know, architecture school ?
963008;1420239097;thestringpuller;because architecture school is hard
963009;1420239101;thestringpuller;you have to do maffs and stuff
963010;1420239107;mircea_popescu;"the cock is hard" is no excuse.
963011;1420239134;mircea_popescu;if it weren't hard then yeah, one'd be excused.
963012;1420239154;mircea_popescu;but when teh cock is hard, there's work to be immediately done.
963013;1420239156;thestringpuller;funny, the PE requirement really do force out the n00bs, at least in this state
963014;1420239263;assbot;[MPEX] [FT] [X.EUR] 321 @ 0.00383342 = 1.2305 BTC [-] {4} 
963015;1420239415;mircea_popescu;whoa this Luke-Jr getting murdered thing... apparently b-a does a perfectly fine job of rendering derps with or without mp.
963016;1420239418;mircea_popescu;encouraging.
963017;1420239446;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31663 @ 0.00061415 = 19.4458 BTC [-] {3} 
963018;1420239492;mircea_popescu;"mats: but yes. be less poor." is this in the bash even ?
963019;1420239668;mircea_popescu;danielpbarron: this "spam on the blockchain" is only a thing because blocks go unfilled for the most part << exactly.
963020;1420239690;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 8374 @ 0.00085687 = 7.1754 BTC [-] {10} 
963021;1420239882;mircea_popescu;Luke-Jr: Adlai: I favour absolute monarchy and small government. <<< afaik that's pretty much ... the majority view here ?
963022;1420239941;mircea_popescu;"Adlai: what criterea would you expect a monarch to use when picking a successor?" <<< welcome to the "none of your business, pleb" side of the monarchy stick. why would you expect you're qualified to discuss that ?
963023;1420240004;mircea_popescu;anyway, there's no "bootstrapping" a monarchy just like there's no training a virgin. a monarchy exists because it exists, if it does. that's all it can do.
963024;1420240189;mircea_popescu;Adlai: the question still stands. how does humanity pick a monarch, or conclude that a currently serving (because it's both a privilege and a duty) monarch is incompetent << humanity does not pick a monarch. and a monarch is not serving, the humanity is serving. if it doesn't [do a good job] of serving, or if it's not lucky to get stuck with a good monarch, it will diminish and eventually extinguish. while both of thes
963025;1420240189;mircea_popescu;e are essential matters for its future, only serving is much in its control, and even then, rather vaguely.
963026;1420240334;mircea_popescu;!up GuyJean
963027;1420241173;ben_vulpes;hola mircea_popescu
963028;1420241174;mircea_popescu;Vexual: Luke-Jr: Is it the current one that really annoyed you? << im pretty sure he held the same opinion at the time of jp2. since then there's been one who... abdicated ?!?! (i didn't know they could do that) and all sorts of innovative bs. i can readily see his argument, in that the papacy since perhaps Pacelli has little to do with what is preserved in the literary record of the renaissance and a lot more to do wi
963029;1420241174;mircea_popescu;th its historical roots during the french years.
963030;1420241179;mircea_popescu;hey ben_vulpes !
963031;1420241303;mircea_popescu;Adlai: kakobrekla: i don't think i've been politically correct or pretending. in case there's any doubt, i also think that there's some level of delusion involved... but i also value conversation over insult <<< how do you distinguish ? "insult" is a subjective construction, like love. it has nothing to do with phenomenology.
963032;1420241661;mircea_popescu;"Luke-Jr: adlai: Catholicism has always made a big deal of any attempts to change doctrine; one couldn't do that unnoticed"  << now s/catholicism/bitcoin/ and pray. i know ben_vulpes is at times worried on the score.
963033;1420241825;ben_vulpes;block scarcity must be preserved!
963034;1420242380;mircea_popescu;*: Luke-Jr wonders what kind of former Gentoo dev hates USE flags <<< always fascinating just how facetious this dude gets. i wonder if they have like, a special school in Stupid Kingdom or it just somehow naturally occurs. like radon pouches.
963035;1420242502;mircea_popescu;fluffypony: Catholicism is a snare and a racket. If you're going to have belief in a higher power, at least choose a religion that isn't controlled by a central body with billions of USD at stake. << "if you are going to use shitty software, at least use some fly by night operator rather than microsoft" ? not logical, this. obviously you want the biggest, richest one there is.
963036;1420242559;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform: Luke-Jr: 'spam' debate aside - how do you intend to filter the dice txes when the dicemeisters let go of the idiocy of reusing addrs ? <<< why idiocy ?
963037;1420242641;mircea_popescu;fluffypony: it must suck to be universally accepted as mind-numbingly stupid and yet not have the intelligence to be introspective enough to see it within yourself and change for the better << guy's wilful. intelligence can do relatively little, and it generally manifests in people who don't have much will to speak of.
963038;1420242799;mircea_popescu;"Where do anti-good ideas come from? They come from misguided attempts to do the impossible" quite.
963039;1420242892;gernika;hello from buenos aires
963040;1420242937;mircea_popescu;o hey there. how you liking it ?
963041;1420242959;gernika;loving it
963042;1420243018;gernika;beautiful city
963043;1420243035;mircea_popescu;mhm
963044;1420243044;mircea_popescu;didja score any local tail ?
963045;1420243167;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22000 @ 0.00059782 = 13.152 BTC [-]
963046;1420243173;gernika;no.  my wife would not approve of that
963047;1420243385;mircea_popescu;oh :p
963048;1420243457;mircea_popescu;Over the course of my career, I've noticed that dramatically fewer of the "early adopters" build successful, secure, mission-critical systems.
963049;1420243502;mircea_popescu;i've noticed trhe same. in fact, on a broad look, i fail to think of any particular field in which early adopters are top performers. not even idle chit-chat, where they should be supported by their endless stream of novelties.
963050;1420243520;mircea_popescu;they don't; get  better sex, they don't drive better cars, live in more comfortable houses or enjoy happier lives.
963051;1420243536;mircea_popescu;in fact, "early adopter" will probably go the way of nigger : from a statement of fact to a slur.
963052;1420243581;gernika;even early adopters of bitcoin?
963053;1420243590;mircea_popescu;anyway, this ranum thing is pretty great : http://www.ranum.com/security/computer_security/editorials/dumb/ it even cites feynman
963054;1420243591;assbot;The Six Dumbest Ideas in Computer Security ... ( http://bit.ly/1vSYcGr )
963055;1420243610;mircea_popescu;gernika they're all bankrupt. look at the people who adopted before me, see who's still moving.
963056;1420243733;gernika;mircea_popescu: ok so early adoption stopped in 2010?
963057;1420243750;mircea_popescu;mid 2011 actually ?
963058;1420243767;mircea_popescu;obviously everything's going to become "Early" as time goes by, but you gotta draw a line somewhere.
963059;1420243831;ben_vulpes;sub dollar.
963060;1420243835;ben_vulpes;sub ten dollars.
963061;1420243838;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19734 @ 0.00061302 = 12.0973 BTC [+] {2} 
963062;1420243840;ben_vulpes;sub hundred.
963063;1420243841;ben_vulpes;etc.
963064;1420243879;gernika;early adopters are a strange sort
963065;1420243896;mircea_popescu;yes. like lunatics.
963066;1420243900;mircea_popescu;!up badon
963067;1420243913;gernika;self sacrificial almost
963068;1420243995;badon;thanks mircea_popescu
963069;1420244005;mircea_popescu;how's the pm racket
963070;1420244164;gernika;mircea_popescu: i do notice a sigificant police presence here.
963071;1420244175;mircea_popescu;where ?
963072;1420244190;mircea_popescu;oh in ba ? maybe they've got a game or something.
963073;1420244206;gernika;mircea_popescu: palermo
963074;1420244275;gernika;no sign of crime though except bars on everything
963075;1420244282;mircea_popescu;Number of visits: 141,392 - Average: 141 s.
963076;1420244290;mircea_popescu;;;calc 141392*141 / 3600
963077;1420244290;gribble;5537.85333333
963078;1420244311;mircea_popescu;gernika i wouldn't be too worried, argentine policemen are harmless.
963079;1420244692;mircea_popescu;mats: i apologize for making this a topic of discussion <<< it was kinda lulzy.
963080;1420244749;mircea_popescu;adlai: in the case of multiple business addresses, it's easy, but in the case of the business using a single address, you can still see which input from the customer transactions was used <<< but it's meaninless.
963081;1420245477;kakobrekla;>Fuck, the NEWSBTC site said people who are “against paycoin” are “cryptoextremists”.
963082;1420245480;kakobrekla;lulz
963083;1420245850;cazalla;yeah, that site was sold in november because the guy running couldn't keep up the pace of coindesk seeing they're funded by gaw adverts and newsbtc was not at that time
963084;1420245898;cazalla;i was going to write up a big time line of past 2 days events with this gaw garza shit but i'm quite over it all
963085;1420246636;cazalla;38c, windy as fuck, watermelon vine taking a beating :\
963086;1420246842;mircea_popescu;o hai kako
963087;1420246867;kakobrekla;heya
963088;1420246887;mircea_popescu;cazalla as a general rule, the two bullet approach is probably best. (news outlet can write on any matter at most twice)
963089;1420246994;mircea_popescu;mike_c: i hear bitcoins in argentina are dirt cheap too <<< nah, they just don't really exist. yet.
963090;1420247208;mircea_popescu;kakobrekla: i dont leave the house if i dont have to. << this can turn into a debilitating issue you know.
963091;1420247218;cazalla;mircea_popescu, yeah, i'll leave the mac 10 spray it everywhere and hope it hits to someone else
963092;1420247228;mircea_popescu;:p
963093;1420248785;cazalla;damn, so many fires http://i.imgur.com/15QgmZY.png
963094;1420248786;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1D14Ge7 )
963095;1420249023;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29850 @ 0.00059507 = 17.7628 BTC [-] {2} 
963096;1420249043;mircea_popescu;mats: looks like an oversized nintendo ds << irlol
963097;1420249135;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform: 'can't delete avahi-0.6.31p10 without deleting cups-libs-1.6.3p0 gtk+2-2.24.20p1 gvfs-1.16.3' << brain damage beyond belief <<< "can't delete usg without deleting roads and the sky above".
963098;1420249148;mircea_popescu;the exact sort of interested stupidity the gnomes like to peddle.
963099;1420249679;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform: just as the cattle rancher. he will be zapped, when the story is sufficiently forgotten and no longer media-enabled << "we never forget. expect us."
963100;1420249682;mircea_popescu;the media is not the point here.
963101;1420249884;mircea_popescu;gabriel_laddel: BingoBoingo: dosen't matter really. have you met any American cattle? when the country fails they'll find themselves rejected everywhere / killed outright. << the younger females will still be usable.
963102;1420249899;mircea_popescu;which really is the best outcome of a failed civilisation anyway.
963103;1420249958;mircea_popescu;PeterL: so to become king, you just have to outlive all the other leaders << this is a good half of what the catholics used to do too.
963104;1420249963;mircea_popescu;punkman hey, deeds ?!
963105;1420249992;mircea_popescu;what the hell's going on with that thing, what has it been, a straight month /
963106;1420250118;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform: gabriel_laddel: the very reason why it is still trivial to leave usa is the lack of an obvious destination. << this is not much unlike proposing that the reason the gun's not fired is "because the bullet has nowhere to go".
963107;1420250127;mircea_popescu;when it fires, it fires. it'll go wherever it goes.
963108;1420250177;decimation;https://web.law.duke.edu/cspd/publicdomainday << happy public domain day, the day that nearly nothing enters the public domain (under us law)
963109;1420250178;assbot;Public Domain Day ... ( http://bit.ly/1D18FHC )
963110;1420250797;mircea_popescu;heh.
963111;1420250840;decimation;the 'window' for new copyright expiration will open in 2019 I think (right now, frozen at works copyright 1923 and earlier)
963112;1420250888;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform: i'm a... sorta what naggum was. <<< ulcerous misanthrope ?
963113;1420250903;decimation;someone should start a bitbet that disney et.al. will get congress to save mickey mouse again
963114;1420250918;mircea_popescu;decimation i dunno, seems to me all sorts of bathroom pics as well as sony's latest crud got public domaine'd just fine
963115;1420250925;mircea_popescu;(and yes they're about same-value items)
963116;1420250968;decimation;well, of course.  that's why they fear old works going into public domain - they are well aware that old works are generally superior in nearly all aspects
963117;1420250983;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo: gabriel_laddel: If USia disappears Israel probably becomes untenable as a state <<< i have my doubts. for all their noise, the palestinians do not seem genuinely interested in running a state.
963118;1420251000;mircea_popescu;taking old western women for all the charity they're worth, sure. actually working ? meh.
963119;1420251012;mircea_popescu;they're like greeks, except on the other side of the same old sea.
963120;1420251049;decimation;they have an interest in running a mafia it seems
963121;1420251057;mircea_popescu;that's always fun.
963122;1420251059;decimation;or at least, a semi-criminal organization
963123;1420251105;mircea_popescu;PeterL: If US disappears, then many of the other US allies will be having problems, so will be unable to help Isreal << fwiw i suspek the us is on the balance of things more of a problem than a solution.
963124;1420251122;mircea_popescu;so yeah the allies will ahve some new problems. easier to solve than their current problems that alliance is causing.
963125;1420251137;decimation;yeah I suspect Israel would be able to figure its shit out with out the us just fine
963126;1420251196;mircea_popescu;if there's no longer a "public opinion" in the sense that term has been abused by usian know-nothing all-one aunt pollies, all sorts of anal child behaviour will necessarily go away.
963127;1420251233;mircea_popescu;there's not large groups of unemployed but healthy youths swarming around crossroads glaring at passengers in places that arent usistans.
963128;1420251284;mircea_popescu;random example : somehow the black community in buenos aires - which is ACTUALLY being oppressed into the dirt - is neither hostile nor in any case fearsome to anyone.
963129;1420251311;mircea_popescu;somehow they can go about peacefully earning their existence.
963130;1420251321;decimation;I suspect that all the Palestinians who have more ambition than scamming old women or stealing 'aid' money have already left the place anyway
963131;1420251335;mircea_popescu;so no, it's not "genetic", and pointedly no, the statal measures intended to help do not in fact help, they massively hinder.
963132;1420251345;mircea_popescu;decimation wouldn't you ?
963133;1420251351;decimation;absolutely
963134;1420251355;mircea_popescu;right.
963135;1420251453;mircea_popescu;gabriel_laddel: cazalla: consider this a request for a qntra article entitled <<< what makes you thik he'd be in a position to write it ? guy never left australia.
963136;1420251463;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 1568 @ 0.00089999 = 1.4112 BTC [+]
963137;1420251517;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform: for instance, afaik, white man anywhere in east asia is either a miserable wretch, a hermit, or largely confined to an enclave of his own kind. <<< from what i hear it's mostly "just grab any girl and fuck her, ask later".
963138;1420251526;mircea_popescu;i guess it depends on the sample.
963139;1420251574;mircea_popescu;gabriel_laddel: asciilifeform: absolutely correct. should be something more along the lines of "unemployment rate for skilled programmers". <<< programmers who depend on some sort of regionalized unemployment rate can't possibly be all that skilled.
963140;1420251604;mircea_popescu;and god help me this log is tough... barely on the 17th ?!
963141;1420251618;decimation;it gets much thinner later
963142;1420251673;mircea_popescu;that's a releif.
963143;1420251723;mircea_popescu;gabriel_laddel: wtf is even being discussed. <<< nerds doing metaphores. it's a sight.
963144;1420251904;TomServo;calc
963145;1420251925;*;TomServo derps.
963146;1420252059;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform: i don't own any bitcoin assets, incidentally. << you're on the public record owning a majority of s.nsa lol.
963147;1420252120;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform: gabriel_laddel: iirc, that was mircea_popescu describing the virtues of working on inventions in a yurt <<< iirc that was mostly a joke built on the probleblems of garbage collecting.
963148;1420252247;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform: PeterL: i do in theory, but it doesn't work yet  <<< an asset is not predicated on whether it works or not lol. whether you own the house and whether anyone's paying you rent for it so far are different matters.
963149;1420252595;mircea_popescu;holy shit Luke-Jr raises kids and plans to buy sheep, has no clue about anthrax before reading up on b-a ?
963150;1420252608;mircea_popescu;!up AdrianoOliveira
963151;1420252614;mircea_popescu;these logs are like better than average.
963152;1420252651;AdrianoOliveira;thanks!
963153;1420252800;mircea_popescu;sure.
963154;1420252861;mircea_popescu;kakobrekla: he is just caught in a local pain minimum. <<< kako is like our blind slovenly prophet. he knows teh truths!
963155;1420252889;BingoBoingo;http://www.wired.com/2015/01/dangerous-people-internet-right-now/?mbid=social_twitter
963156;1420252890;assbot;The Most Dangerous People on the Internet Right Now | WIRED ... ( http://bit.ly/1xoo3u8 )
963157;1420252930;mircea_popescu;mats: no buttcoin option <<< considering what they want to do is "continue development" i'd much rather they never got a dime anyway.
963158;1420252939;BingoBoingo;<mircea_popescu> holy shit Luke-Jr raises kids and plans to buy sheep, has no clue about anthrax before reading up on b-a ? << Why so surprised?
963159;1420252959;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo at some point you run up against the inevitable "how did this guy make it so far"
963160;1420252987;mircea_popescu;i suppose that's the best proof he's entirely correct on his religious observances. his continued existence -> best miracle yet.
963161;1420252987;BingoBoingo;Sheer inertia of luck
963162;1420253014;mircea_popescu;which is exactly the proper context to link ...
963163;1420253071;mircea_popescu;http://oglaf.com/assorted-fruits/
963164;1420253072;assbot;Assorted Fruits of Wrath ... ( http://bit.ly/1xoozbx )
963165;1420253186;BingoBoingo;http://oglaf.com/geewoks/
963166;1420253187;assbot;Geewoks ... ( http://bit.ly/1xooODz )
963167;1420253217;mike_c;you're on the public record owning a majority of s.nsa lol. << he actually doesn't own any
963168;1420253221;mike_c;lots of options though
963169;1420253260;mircea_popescu;i think that qualifies.
963170;1420253287;mircea_popescu;otherwise if you could skirt reporting by structuring instruments nobody'd own anything anymore.
963171;1420253318;assbot;Last 4 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/0KJPE0R.txt )
963172;1420253318;BingoBoingo;!b 4
963173;1420253378;mircea_popescu;http://oglaf.com/semifinal/ << this one rocks actually.
963174;1420253379;assbot;Semi-Final ... ( http://bit.ly/1xopokF )
963175;1420253461;mircea_popescu;http://oglaf.com/hotbuttons/ ahahaha jesus she's been on a roll
963176;1420253462;assbot;Hot Buttons ... ( http://bit.ly/1xopF79 )
963177;1420253522;decimation;yeah that last one was pretty good
963178;1420253541;decimation;"you can't just curse a district to democracy" lol
963179;1420253553;mircea_popescu;nono, it's "you can't just A then B"
963180;1420253836;mircea_popescu;http://hackingdistributed.com/2014/12/17/changetip-must-die/ << o look, the world outside is starting to figure out reddit is made by the retarded, for the retarded, and everything it touches smells ?
963181;1420253837;assbot;ChangeTip Must Die ... ( http://bit.ly/1xoqw7W )
963182;1420253841;mircea_popescu;iiiincredible.
963183;1420254029;thestringpuller;yea it's a good article
963184;1420255110;decimation;!up ascii_modem
963185;1420255122;decimation;lol ascii are you logging in from the arctic
963186;1420255253;ascii_modem;nah just from not home.
963187;1420255314;ascii_modem;turned this thing on just to put to record the vomitory power of the 'changetip' piece
963188;1420255350;mircea_popescu;aha ?
963189;1420255354;ascii_modem;subject & critique both
963190;1420255399;ascii_modem;'brigaded a nobel laureate' ahaha
963191;1420255412;mircea_popescu;"First of all, every time I strike up a random conversation with a stranger, I discover that they have already heard about Bitcoin. Every. Single. Time."
963192;1420255421;mircea_popescu;this is my experience too. then again, it has been, for a while.
963193;1420255424;ascii_modem;'academics fixed flaws in protocol'
963194;1420255433;decimation;yeah I find that to mostly be the case, except all the know is that mt gox got hacked
963195;1420255439;mircea_popescu;"We need to work as a community to buy advertising like normal people, and perhaps work on our collective image."
963196;1420255440;mircea_popescu;lmao.
963197;1420255442;mircea_popescu;who is this idiot.
963198;1420255468;mircea_popescu;decimation this is also true, but adding a "they donate grains of sand" isn't much of an addition.
963199;1420255483;decimation;no that's fucktarded
963200;1420255489;mircea_popescu;After years of acting like enfants terribles, perpetrating a prosecution complex, fearmongering about an inflationary collapse that refuses to happen, veering into antisemitic rants about Jewish bankers, blaming Mt. Gox victims, brigading a Nobel laureate, badmouthing core developers, attacking researchers including yours truly (for finding and even fixing a flaw, and making predictions that were later borne out; you k
963201;1420255489;mircea_popescu;now, things that were actually good for Bitcoin),
963202;1420255492;mircea_popescu;again, who is this derp ?
963203;1420255502;decimation;bitcoin is for entities to move money, not for the little people to pay hobos
963204;1420255510;mircea_popescu;somehow when i say "G�n Sirer" no "flaw that was fixed" pops intoi memory.
963205;1420255551;mircea_popescu;lol and of course disqus comments.
963206;1420255582;mircea_popescu;anyway. "clean up the act" = no more tim sweneys and other gun sirers, plox.
963207;1420255588;ascii_modem;meat - is for flies, by god. ask any fly
963208;1420255632;mircea_popescu;meanwhile, intel has the "flaw" in question. from the selfsource : http://hackingdistributed.com/2013/11/04/bitcoin-is-broken/
963209;1420255633;assbot;Bitcoin Is Broken ... ( http://bit.ly/1tHPuzJ )
963210;1420255638;mircea_popescu;"Bitcoin is broken. And not just superficially so, but fundamentally, at the core protocol level. We're not talking about a simple buffer overflow here, or even a badly designed API that can be easily patched; instead, the problem is intrinsic to the entire way Bitcoin works. All other cryptocurrencies and schemes based on the same Bitcoin idea, including Litecoin, Namecoin, and any of the other few dozen Bitcoin-inspi
963211;1420255639;mircea_popescu;red currencies, are broken as well."
963212;1420255657;decimation;"Some people seem to believe that microtipping can bring about the end of advertising. This doesn't quite make sense, because microtip systems like ChangeTip cut out the platform operator: a user directly transfers a tiny amount to another user, leaving out the platform (e.g. Reddit, Twitter, etc)."
963213;1420255666;decimation;lol
963214;1420255703;mircea_popescu;basically, they dressed up the ancient block withholding attack, a fully documented andf fully fixed problem cca 2012
963215;1420255710;ascii_modem;if i had a satoshi for every academtard who went 'this thing diesn't implement lamport's byzantine consensus...'
963216;1420255729;mircea_popescu;typical us-style academic, dress up something commonly known in the trade for a grant, act as if he's done science.
963217;1420255762;ascii_modem;naggum's 'library of cheap books'
963218;1420255793;decimation;oh no, imagine a world where twitter and reddit were cut out of business! inconceivable!!
963219;1420255830;mircea_popescu;advertising is a dead thing anyway. the cattle processors don't need to advertise to the cattle, the rest of the world doesn't want the cattle.
963220;1420255879;decimation;yeah.  the future is content for the minority willing to pay; porn for the masses
963221;1420255906;mircea_popescu;isuppose either of these could be rechristened "advertising"
963222;1420255930;mircea_popescu;but in point of fact it'd have as much truck with that concept as the present day us has with a constitutional republic.
963223;1420255968;kakobrekla;;;seen ukyo
963224;1420255968;gribble;ukyo was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 39 weeks, 1 day, 2 hours, 37 minutes, and 17 seconds ago: <Ukyo> mgio_: ping
963225;1420255974;kakobrekla;;;seen ukto
963226;1420255974;gribble;ukto was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 1 year, 6 weeks, 0 days, 5 hours, 59 minutes, and 33 seconds ago: <Ukto> I dont want to work on anything other than weexchange heh
963227;1420255986;mircea_popescu;wait, asciilifeform wasn't even on a cloaked connection ? what, the haxxor gave up and went away ?
963228;1420255990;mircea_popescu;fucking unreliable haters.
963229;1420256014;kakobrekla;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=19-12-2014#957549
963230;1420256014;assbot;Logged on 19-12-2014 19:38:15; kakobrekla: btw ddos is gone (temporarily?)
963231;1420256037;mircea_popescu;aha.
963232;1420256053;mircea_popescu;in memory of that great joke,
963233;1420256057;mircea_popescu;!s beer cunt
963234;1420256058;assbot;1 results for 'beer cunt' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=beer+cunt
963235;1420256084;mircea_popescu;"16-11-2014 bitbethelp: so, cazalla, what's your plan on running qntra when it's going to be down 7x24 if it gets any sort of traction?"
963236;1420256117;mircea_popescu;then guy's never heard from again. because yes, totally. that's what permanence means, two weeks' worth of three hourlong intervals.
963237;1420256188;undata;I've been uncloaked thanks to freenode derpitude several times, never ddosed
963238;1420256196;decimation;hey, he exposed your fucktarded routing for free!
963239;1420256242;mircea_popescu;Bloke sitting at the bar when a woman comes in and sits on the stool next to him, he buys her a drink and asks her name. "Carmen" she says "Because I like Cars and Men, whats your name?" "Charlie Beer-Cunt"
963240;1420256258;decimation;heh
963241;1420256314;decimation;actually your servers became stronger when faced with adversity from the spammer
963242;1420256336;decimation;thus, some degree of anti-fragility.  but it wasn't in the software, or the networking - it was in the people running things
963243;1420256409;mircea_popescu;well for one thing it bestowed upon me a huge list of wordpress blogs which can be used to leverage a packet stream about 1mn x and automattic does not want to fix.
963244;1420256425;mircea_popescu;for another thing it gave me an elephant rifle to shoot at some dreamhost employe derp
963245;1420256431;mircea_popescu;and in general... lemons an' melons.
963246;1420256513;decimation;yeah exactly.  it was an interesting thing to watch unfold
963247;1420256516;cazalla;lulz https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/2r58kd/what_happened_to_this_subforum_all_posts_about/cnco6u3
963248;1420256518;assbot;theymos comments on What happened to this subforum? All posts about some shitty altcoin? Moderators on strike? WTF? ... ( http://bit.ly/1zJp6BW )
963249;1420256521;mircea_popescu;imagine this, by the way : after three months of the practical equivalent of going to people's houses and leaving them a post-it note, the fix rate is under 1%.
963250;1420256524;mircea_popescu;well under 1%.
963251;1420256540;mircea_popescu;i think the derps who imagine their publishing of threat advisories and so forth actually does anything are off their rocker.
963252;1420256553;decimation;it's worse then that - that n00b escalated to the designer of wordpress and was shot down
963253;1420256580;mircea_popescu;the entire "security holes are in there deliberately" dirty secret is getting more and more air.
963254;1420256585;mircea_popescu;thanks the bitcoin.
963255;1420256586;decimation;I suspect he didn't want to bother writing the code required to intelligently filter pingbacks
963256;1420256590;mircea_popescu;nope.
963257;1420256618;decimation;why not let the little people suffer when you can rake in the $$$ and push the costs onto others
963258;1420256629;mircea_popescu;i suspect they literally are under orders to maintain a certain structure on the webs. one where the middle class so to speak can at any time be ganked by "nefarious", "mysterious" entitites that are not either.
963259;1420256675;mircea_popescu;basically the usg is trying (through its "vc" agency) to run the web exactly the way it's running the country : use the poor to scare the productive.
963260;1420256691;mircea_popescu;!up gabriel_laddel
963261;1420256694;mircea_popescu;!up soypirate
963262;1420256745;mircea_popescu;and it'd work just fine, too, if it weren't for btc. this construction where someone could be a secure billionaire and not part of the usg club simply wasn't being planned for.
963263;1420256792;decimation;no, that's pretty much the glue that holds usg together (quashing folks before they pose a threat)
963264;1420256834;mircea_popescu;it's all such retarded virginal bullshit, too. why shouldn't folks pose a fucking threat!
963265;1420256845;mircea_popescu;"o noes, what could happen". sigh.
963266;1420256910;decimation;this guy http://www.reppep.com/~pepper/resume/ wrote another paul graham rebuttal >> https://medium.com/@reppep/paul-graham-appears-confused-about-supply-and-demand-labor-and-visas-and-great-programmers-d1d4854bc928
963267;1420256911;assbot;Chris Pepper's Resume ... ( http://bit.ly/1zJpiRH )
963268;1420256912;assbot;Paul Graham Appears Confused about Supply and Demand, Labor and Visas, and “Great Programmers” — Medium ... ( http://bit.ly/1zJpiRN )
963269;1420256947;mircea_popescu;cliffnotes ?
963270;1420257004;mircea_popescu;"In particular, if IRET executes on a writeable kernel stack (this was always the case before 3.16 and is sometimes the case on 3.16 and newer), the assembly function general_protection will execute with the user's gsbase and the kernel's gsbase swapped."
963271;1420257012;mircea_popescu;bwahahaha o god.
963272;1420257094;decimation;"But be honest. H-1B visa demand is not high because companies are striving for excellence. The visas are being used to preserve the existing labor market (salary levels) rather than paying higher salaries as dictated by supply and demand. Paul’s suggestion would help US companies find employees, but drain brainpower from the rest of the world, and leave the US workforce uncompetitive for US jobs. "
963273;1420257130;mircea_popescu;...
963274;1420257149;[]bot;Bet created: "BTC price to rise above 1oz of gold in 2015" http://bitbet.us/bet/1092/
963275;1420257158;mircea_popescu;so the author is struggling with brain damage.
963276;1420257159;decimation;which is pretty much what ascii was saying (paul graham wants cheap coolies)
963277;1420257173;mircea_popescu;how is that not striving for excellence ?
963278;1420257198;mircea_popescu;i mean, yes, it's what stan & everyone sane's been saying about it, but dressed up in a clown costume for some reason.
963279;1420257219;[]bot;Bet created: "Bitcoin main net block size to increase in 2015" http://bitbet.us/bet/1093/
963280;1420257240;mircea_popescu;"The Centralized Zone Data System (czds.icann.org)
963281;1420257240;mircea_popescu;The attacker obtained administrative access to all files in the CZDS. This included copies of the zone files in the system, as well as information entered by users such as name, postal address, email address, fax and telephone numbers, username, and password. Although the passwords were stored as salted cryptographic hashes, we have deactivated all CZDS passwords as a precaution. "
963282;1420257248;mircea_popescu;im taking bets the thing was md5.
963283;1420257268;gabriel_laddel;mircea_popescu: what makes you thik he'd be in a position to write it ? guy never left australia. << He (or another) can supply the aforementioned article without getting up from their chair all that often. I'm just looking for some basic/tedious research - not boots on the ground scouting (though I am not opposed to this).
963284;1420257290;mircea_popescu;"For additional information about the attack, please monitor the ICANN website." "we're still not using gpg tho, so you'll never know."
963285;1420257307;decimation;well, they have an unsigned webpage
963286;1420257314;decimation;like the toilet stall in the truck stop
963287;1420257322;mircea_popescu;gabriel_laddel i get it i get it, my point was more along the lines of, nobody can really do this for you, as a "consumer" sort of thing.
963288;1420257331;mircea_popescu;it';s not really a pret-a-porter sort of job.
963289;1420257363;mircea_popescu;decimation point being, if we monitor "the site" and something appears there, all we know is that either the attacker put it up or icann did, and it's either true or false.
963290;1420257370;mircea_popescu;which... i'd rather monitor definite things.
963291;1420257383;adlai;now we're fucking talking http://bitbet.us/bet/1093/
963292;1420257384;assbot;BitBet - Bitcoin main net block size to increase in 2015 :: 0 B (50%) on Yes, 0 B (50%) on No | closing in 10 months 2 weeks | weight: 100`000 (100`000 to 1) ... ( http://bit.ly/1zJpxMJ )
963293;1420257400;mircea_popescu;heh that's not happening.
963294;1420257410;adlai;easy money if you fall over sue the government?
963295;1420257433;mircea_popescu;wait wut ?
963296;1420257437;decimation;while asciilifeform reinvents data transport, he ought to consider reinventing dns
963297;1420257447;mircea_popescu;dns needs to go die in a fire.
963298;1420257473;mircea_popescu;if anyone wants prettified shorthand for resource locators, let him write his own symlinks.
963299;1420257479;*;adlai was pretty pleased about the changetip bitbet
963300;1420257487;gabriel_laddel;mircea_popescu: programmers who depend on some sort of regionalized unemployment rate can't possibly be all that skilled. << this is true, however if an economy thinks itself of being in dire need of programmers anyone with a brain can fly blind into the country and remain relatively assured of their future prosperity without having to put too much thought into it. This is going to go away at some point in the futur
963301;1420257487;gabriel_laddel;e, but for now...
963302;1420257497;mircea_popescu;if all the idiotic websites could not in fact control their own domain name, imagine all the chilling effect on the idiocy of "branding" and generally the stupid internet.
963303;1420257529;mircea_popescu;gabriel_laddel my point was more along the lines of, unless you actually work in hardware maintenance, you are connecting to your job over the internet anyway.
963304;1420257540;adlai;all the internet branding will rely on middlemen, until your audience learns pgp
963305;1420257544;mircea_popescu;if you're hired for chair warming rather than sshing you are really not much better than the pr chicks.
963306;1420257581;gabriel_laddel;mircea_popescu: also, thanks for upping me. my keys got destroyed in a botched backup and I don't know if I'll be able to recover them. until I sink some time into that task - no L2.
963307;1420257597;mircea_popescu;o.O
963308;1420257621;[]bot;Bet created: "JPY to top 140 per USD in 2015" http://bitbet.us/bet/1094/
963309;1420257623;mircea_popescu;im sending sexy_saffron over to your house to whip you.
963310;1420257640;decimation;no she's too busy whining about b-a on tard's news
963311;1420257653;gabriel_laddel;r.e., chair warming, there is such a thing as interpersonal chemistry.
963312;1420257673;mircea_popescu;decimation nah it was proven that wasn't her.
963313;1420257675;gabriel_laddel;sometimes it's nice to interface with people - mostly - no.
963314;1420257678;mircea_popescu;your hunch was correct.
963315;1420257698;decimation;yeah I'm being silly, hopefully mr. spam learned his lesson
963316;1420257728;mircea_popescu;undata: what is this doublespeak where they 'stand by their filmmakers' while scrapping the film? << business as usual ?
963317;1420257775;undata;yep, and they caved yet again to 'bama and released the thing
963318;1420257790;undata;the film's probably garbage either way
963319;1420257792;decimation;yeah in retrospect the whole sony thing was a crass marketing ploy with usg cooperation
963320;1420257902;undata;how does a language retain its meaning?
963321;1420257935;gabriel_laddel;again, r.e., chair warming. Maybe I'm the odd one out here, but I've had the distinct pleasure of interacting with people who I enjoy seeing on somewhat regular basis.
963322;1420257994;undata;I wonder too if the degradation of the language isn't a major factor in the decline of a civilization.
963323;1420258069;BingoBoingo;<undata> the film's probably garbage either way << Actually not bad. It's a typical Seth Rogen movie. People who like that sort of flick will enjoy it, other people won't.
963324;1420258098;decimation;Thomas Cole painted the decline of empire > http://www.isegoria.net/2015/01/the-course-of-empire-2/
963325;1420258099;assbot;The Course of Empire «  Isegoria ... ( http://bit.ly/1zJpRe8 )
963326;1420258102;gabriel_laddel;<mircea_popescu> gabriel_laddel i get it i get it, my point was more along the lines of, nobody can really do this for you, as a "consumer" sort of thing. << So you do all your research by hand? Also, do you have a rotating 3D globe on your computer that allows you to highlight/heatmap known uranium deposits, nuclear reactors, oil reserves, population stats etc.?
963327;1420258151;mircea_popescu;undata yeah i imagine it is.
963328;1420258175;mircea_popescu;gabriel_laddel but that is a wholy distinct matter from working and job discussions.
963329;1420258216;gabriel_laddel;mircea_popescu: please elaborate?
963330;1420258253;mircea_popescu;ok, let me summarize this so perhaps you see it for the transactional (psych term of art) pseudoreasoning i see there.
963331;1420258273;mircea_popescu;you establish that A is desirable. you then deny A on the grounds that B, which is unrelated.
963332;1420258288;mircea_popescu;when B is pointed out to be unrelated, you bring in the discussion C, which is not only unrelated to B, but also to A.
963333;1420258357;[]bot;Bet placed: 1 BTC for Yes on "JPY to top 140 per USD in 2015" http://bitbet.us/bet/1094/ Odds: 95(Y):5(N) by coin, 95(Y):5(N) by weight. Total bet: 1.1 BTC. Current weight: 99,998.
963334;1420258365;[]bot;Bet placed: 1 BTC for No on "Bitcoin main net block size to increase in 2015" http://bitbet.us/bet/1093/ Odds: 3(Y):97(N) by coin, 3(Y):97(N) by weight. Total bet: 1.1 BTC. Current weight: 99,996.
963335;1420258372;[]bot;Bet placed: 1.5 BTC for Yes on "BTC price to rise above 1oz of gold in 2015" http://bitbet.us/bet/1092/ Odds: 98(Y):3(N) by coin, 98(Y):3(N) by weight. Total bet: 1.6 BTC. Current weight: 99,996.
963336;1420258418;mircea_popescu;!up gesella
963337;1420258438;mircea_popescu;on the structure of that, should C be pointed out to be unrelated the subject'd normally become aggressive.
963338;1420258515;gabriel_laddel;mircea_popescu:  A = programmer unemployment rate, B = you do all your research by hand?, C = 3D earth populated with interesting information?
963339;1420258517;BingoBoingo;!up ascii_modem
963340;1420258545;mircea_popescu;nah. A = living in the us ; B = being employed at computerizing ; C = meeting people who fuck enjoyably.
963341;1420258556;decimation;!up gabriel_laddel
963342;1420258565;mircea_popescu;or whatever your definition of "enjoy personal interaction is", i suppose the discussion as to how all that = fucking is too much to meld in here.
963343;1420258567;ascii_modem;lol programmer unwhateverthefuck rates
963344;1420258748;gabriel_laddel;mircea_popescu: thanks for explaining. This aside I must admit I'm interested in knowing if you've got the 3D earth populated with all sorts of interesting information.
963345;1420258760;mircea_popescu;sort-of
963346;1420258792;decimation;who doesn't derp with google earth?
963347;1420258811;mircea_popescu;actually i don't use it.
963348;1420258830;mircea_popescu;(why would i give google info ?! not like they're pickig up my intel bills ?!)
963349;1420258853;gabriel_laddel;decimation: you can't mod google earth, can you?
963350;1420258859;decimation;sort-of
963351;1420258869;decimation;you can load custom kml files to plot various things
963352;1420258884;decimation;they charge a shitload of $$$ to actually use their 'pro' tools
963353;1420258906;ascii_modem;from g.earth i learned the one solitary fact that the yard i played in as a boy is now a parking lot. boo/hiss.
963354;1420258907;decimation;I think 'high-end gis' types typically use arcgis tools
963355;1420258942;mircea_popescu;ascii_modem this seems altogether a common experience.
963356;1420258954;decimation;I think NASA even made a google-earth knockoff called "world wind" that you can use 'off-line'
963357;1420258955;mircea_popescu;whenever girlie takes me on a virtual trip of her childhood space, it's usually "o shit, a parking lot ?!"
963358;1420258979;decimation;cars gotta park, need garages, free highways
963359;1420259006;ascii_modem;it parks six rattling toyotas , too. when i was there i would have sworn it would land a bomber.
963360;1420259039;mircea_popescu;^
963361;1420259053;decimation;the median us resident without a car is pretty much just a hobo
963362;1420259058;mircea_popescu;it's not like the us can actually compare with i dunno, the russians on car pools.
963363;1420259064;ascii_modem;was small. world - big
963364;1420259066;mircea_popescu;they generally drive cheap crap.
963365;1420259070;gabriel_laddel;mircea_popescu: do you depend on opengl, use 2d, directx, proprietary graphics library written in assembler...?
963366;1420259087;mircea_popescu;gabriel_laddel i am fortunate to not be much of a visual thinker.
963367;1420259091;mircea_popescu;i use stuff like grep.
963368;1420259131;scoopbot;New post on Qntra.net by cazalla: http://qntra.net/2015/01/theymos-claims-josh-garza-is-sending-him-legal-threats-to-have-content-removed/
963369;1420259146;decimation;tables & text > graphics
963370;1420259168;gabriel_laddel;mircea_popescu: I'm not a visual thinker either - at least, never have been described as such. That said, GUIS are nice in certain circumstances.
963371;1420259220;mircea_popescu;decimation not sure if really >, because i used to be total shit in geometry, all the chicks doing pretty much an impersonation of elaine with the tyres "saw" things that took me days. nevertheless, it DOES do a lot for reducing one's ability to... be scammed, i guess. slef scamming especially, where you end up making unfounded assumptions that arew predicated on whatever weird visual crap going on.
963372;1420259250;ascii_modem;tyres?
963373;1420259271;mircea_popescu;gabriel_laddel sure, but the gui of "google earth" is a needles contrivance.
963374;1420259273;mircea_popescu;lemme find it.
963375;1420259287;mircea_popescu;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qgOdMSIAH1Q
963376;1420259289;assbot;Elaine Benes Watching Tires Spin - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1zJqswE )
963377;1420259294;decimation;I often find myself distracted by 'pretty graphics' rather than looking at the content
963378;1420259312;ascii_modem;don't confound 'graphics' with 'mouse gui'
963379;1420259326;ascii_modem;not automagically same
963380;1420259328;decimation;no, I'm writing about a presentation meant to communicate
963381;1420259429;decimation;there's a thing in academia/business where graphics (esp. on a powerpoint) are held as some kind of standard for communication
963382;1420259452;decimation;ed tufte made the point that baseball scores are a giant dense table, and are comprehensible by someone with a 4th grade education
963383;1420259463;mircea_popescu;so you know, put it on google maps, so you can drink the presumption that the us is a lot larger than canada while doing whatever else.
963384;1420259621;ascii_modem;visual scams << carnival / conjurer trickery ?
963385;1420259622;mircea_popescu;(and since we're doing this ; russia's almost larger than the sum of them. and this is without the rest of the "all-union" landmass)
963386;1420259688;mike_c;latitude is important though
963387;1420259689;mircea_popescu;ascii_modem just the very simple fact that if i say "a man" then that's that, whereas if you try to show "a man" you won't be able to. which is how most films are shittier than the books they're based on. the forced mistake of having to provide all the data visual requires to work.
963388;1420259706;mircea_popescu;mike_c for technologiclaly inferior tribes, yes, it is.
963389;1420259713;mike_c;hehe
963390;1420259718;ascii_modem;if big fat landmass could uproot, get up, walk over & sit on small landmass's face till its guts pop out - sure
963391;1420259727;mircea_popescu;in this sense, "having holly nearby" is important too
963392;1420259731;ascii_modem;but generally not how works
963393;1420259735;mircea_popescu;if you're a roman veteran about to get dismissed
963394;1420259758;mircea_popescu;ascii_modem except no "embargo" by the small against the large ever worked in fucking history.
963395;1420259829;ascii_modem;when 'large' is an abo reservation that can't even refine own molybdenum - works
963396;1420259883;assbot;Last 6 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/353J55N.txt )
963397;1420259883;BingoBoingo;!b 6
963398;1420259895;mircea_popescu;this theory is always intellectually appealing, like the theory that you can get rich by cornering the market.
963399;1420259913;mircea_popescu;people occasionally get cocky enough to try. it never works out. the reasons it never works out aren't directly palatable, so the dream remains.
963400;1420259923;gabriel_laddel;ascii_modem: do you have any favorite organic chem programs or books you'd care to recommend?
963401;1420259949;ascii_modem;gabriel_laddel: for what?
963402;1420259966;mircea_popescu;Luke-Jr: BingoBoingo: tx fees != non-spam << o.O
963403;1420260032;mircea_popescu;dude how long did the luke wankfest carry on ? by now it's like one of those fabled 3 day weddings.
963404;1420260099;BingoBoingo;Well, it took... about 3 days
963405;1420260107;ascii_modem;gabriel_laddel: try chemgroup's 'MOE'
963406;1420260170;gabriel_laddel;ascii_modem: thanks. a concise phrasing for my project still hasn't come to mind....
963407;1420260383;decimation;!up gabriel_laddel
963408;1420260385;decimation;!up ascii_modem
963409;1420260412;ascii_modem;ty
963410;1420260616;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: who has 60 hour battery now ? << do a battery time / mips or flops thing to for fairness.
963411;1420260671;ascii_modem;wins still
963412;1420260701;ascii_modem;if this is re: old thread about hp lx - it had passive matrix unlit lcd
963413;1420260726;mircea_popescu;some reddit threrad you made me read.
963414;1420260729;ascii_modem;and nothing today - save wristwatch - has.
963415;1420260736;decimation;some calculators maybe
963416;1420260757;mircea_popescu;the lit lcd bs is absolutely insane. i use brighness at 1-2% on all these lcd things.
963417;1420260771;mircea_popescu;it'd be so much more helpful if they simply didn't backlight them with evil fucking uv diodes
963418;1420260781;ascii_modem;unlit != modern with light off
963419;1420260800;ascii_modem;need reflective backing . and must be monochrome
963420;1420260818;decimation;I recently found f.lux for macs and redshift for linux
963421;1420260832;mircea_popescu;ascii_modem doesn't have to be ancient tech!
963422;1420260841;ascii_modem;colour lcd absorbs far too much light to be reflectively lightable.
963423;1420260848;decimation;they both allow you to 'redshift' your screen to match the local night-time
963424;1420260852;mircea_popescu;but no, they can't light them on orange or something. gotta be that god awful pseudo-white
963425;1420260863;decimation;unfortunately they don't dim brightness
963426;1420260888;ascii_modem;also all extant dimmable backlights use pwm
963427;1420260900;ascii_modem;and i can see the chop.
963428;1420260916;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo: Obligatory slogan: "Come and get Tanked!" << better yet, "tank top off tuesday"
963429;1420260919;decimation;ascii_modem: even LED backlights?
963430;1420260927;ascii_modem;esp those
963431;1420260929;mircea_popescu;where chicks come with their tank tops to sit atop your tank's top and take their tops off
963432;1420260957;undata;ascii_modem: I spent a bit of time today researching e-ink displays
963433;1420260961;undata;not much to find
963434;1420260979;ascii_modem;worthless for interactive anything
963435;1420260982;undata;the vaguely defined dream would be to have something which functions as a terminal, nothing more
963436;1420261000;undata;I'm trying to code on a shit-tier lenovo "x1 carbon"
963437;1420261003;ascii_modem;even vt100 is a stretch for eink
963438;1420261005;undata;everything's broken
963439;1420261059;undata;trackpad stopped working, goes to sleep, fails to wake without disconnecting the battery, etc
963440;1420261074;ascii_modem;classic laptoppery
963441;1420261089;decimation;lenovo is supposedly better for that stuff
963442;1420261094;undata;neh, it's a lie
963443;1420261097;ascii_modem;was
963444;1420261099;undata;I believed "thinkpad"
963445;1420261116;undata;I had a pentium 3 thinkpad that was a tank compared
963446;1420261171;ascii_modem;also had. yes, worked.
963447;1420261188;ascii_modem;those days - long gone.
963448;1420261229;decimation;re: tank's top < " That was Stalin's hall-mark, his style - that splendid disregard of differences, that levelling of friends and enemies that made him a unique figure in the whole of human history. Another thing for which the Soviet court did not condemn Potapov was that in 1945 - still in his broken spectacles tied with string but this time with a tommy-gun in his hand - he rode into Berlin on the back of a Red Army tank; this was
963449;1420261231;decimation;how Potapov got off so easily, with only 'ten and five on the horns'."
963450;1420261284;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 41105 @ 0.00062566 = 25.7178 BTC [+] {2} 
963451;1420261345;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 49990 @ 0.00063536 = 31.7616 BTC [+] {2} 
963452;1420261531;mircea_popescu;!up austeritysucks
963453;1420262080;ascii_modem;battery time / mips or flops << imagine if the only fuel available, were - trotyl.
963454;1420262104;ascii_modem;that's roughly the situation of modern cpu
963455;1420262180;decimation;ascii_modem: as in, it draws massive current for short bursts and derps idlely otherwise?
963456;1420262237;decimation;!up ascii_modem
963457;1420262310;ascii_modem;can't buy low-power (battery life measured in weeks/months) interactive computer. at any pricepoint.
963458;1420262399;decimation;one can buy very low power microcontrollers these days
963459;1420262401;ascii_modem;because 'no www flash games - not computer' or similarly imbecilic formula
963460;1420262422;mircea_popescu;that;s actually a legitimate complaint.
963461;1420262432;mircea_popescu;democracy = one solution that sucks for everyone.
963462;1420262544;ascii_modem;microcontroller << the pickings end up very slim if refuse 'arm'
963463;1420262594;ascii_modem;( for ram-rich / something one could use as actual computer kind of affair)
963464;1420262629;decimation;I think TI still makes stuff like the msp430
963465;1420262644;ascii_modem;not computer.
963466;1420262648;decimation;indeed.
963467;1420262688;mircea_popescu;jurov: ;;later tell mircea_popescu x.idiff.dec expired <  myeah.
963468;1420262782;mircea_popescu;thestringpuller: really 0 volume on idiff for DEC?!?!? << myeah.
963469;1420262813;mircea_popescu;anyway, there's gonna be an announcement re x.idiff
963470;1420262833;mircea_popescu;jurov: lmao it says there was 1 x.idiff.dec traded on 2012-12-13 and nothing since << sounds about right.
963471;1420262893;mircea_popescu;assbot: Will Ripple Eclipse Bitcoin? - Slashdot ... << "Any headline which ends in a question mark can be answered by the word no."
963472;1420262971;decimation;re: democracy << "Now I know of only two methods of establishing equality in the political world; every citizen must be put in possession of his rights, or rights must be granted to no one." - M. de Tocqueville
963473;1420262992;mircea_popescu;equality is not something of this, or any other world.
963474;1420263050;mircea_popescu;jurov: nothing about fags? danielpbarron: that's condemned <<< poor j, just can't catch a break.
963475;1420263065;mircea_popescu;everything's being retroactively uncondemned, 'cept his.
963476;1420263117;mircea_popescu;jurov: you want to say homosexuality is okay if it's master/slave relationship? << win. get into leather while you still can!
963477;1420263168;mircea_popescu;fluffypony: so for a time, God did permit a man to have more than one wife. (see, for eg. Genesis 4:19; 16:1-4; 29:18-30:24) - but God did not originate the practice of polygamy. He provided only one wife for Adam. <<< bs. the original family was adam eve an' lilith.
963478;1420263190;mircea_popescu;'cept the perky titted little bitch started feminism and was banished to fatlandia.
963479;1420263284;mircea_popescu;fluffypony: I have a ton of cool photos from that adventure << you need to start blogging in serious.
963480;1420263457;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-12-2014#956498 << actually sounds pretty good.
963481;1420263457;assbot;Logged on 18-12-2014 22:10:34; mod6: But yeah, it's still has some leaks in there somewhere, as the R.I. died at least 2 different times from 1->current block, but no more than 3 times.  Eitherway, this needs to get resolved.  But at least we're headed in the right direction.
963482;1420263463;mircea_popescu;so what config did you settle on in the end mod6 ?
963483;1420263489;mod6;for the DB?
963484;1420263497;mircea_popescu;ya
963485;1420263515;ascii_modem;speaking of - iirc it was gonna be configable chkpoints , not none at all ?
963486;1420263521;mircea_popescu;for dbenv.set_lk_max_locks and what else ?
963487;1420263538;*;mod6 looks
963488;1420263555;mircea_popescu;ascii_modem i just assumed he implemented the "no checkpoints" in the shape of a "set your own, defaults to 1" sort of thing
963489;1420263571;ascii_modem;bdb begs for the axe
963490;1420263582;ascii_modem;neh he snipped whole thing
963491;1420263585;mircea_popescu;ah
963492;1420263589;mircea_popescu;well...
963493;1420263625;mircea_popescu;there's technically no possibility to have "no checkpoints", block 1 will willy-nilly be a checkpoint.
963494;1420263672;mod6;changed dbenv.set_lk_max_objects to 40000
963495;1420263684;mod6;changed dbenv.set_lk_max_locks to 40000
963496;1420263712;mod6;set set_lg_max to 1M
963497;1420263726;mircea_popescu;im surprised it worked with 40k.
963498;1420263729;mod6;set DB_TXN_WRITE_NOSYNC
963499;1420263731;ascii_modem;in my tests, bled out 100% of the time during sync
963500;1420263735;mod6;and DB_LOG_AUTO_REMOVE
963501;1420263755;mircea_popescu;hmm
963502;1420263763;mod6;at first, I just set max locks to 40000, and nothing else, but ended up with liek 265Gb of BDB Tx logs
963503;1420263797;ascii_modem;whole thing leaks like sieve
963504;1420263810;mod6;then after working on different things for a while, and looking at what is currently set in HEAD, went on to trim that shit out
963505;1420263842;mircea_popescu;Adlai: so paycoin has progressed from vaporware to real, nitrogen-rich altcoincrap? << no, but some derp who feels rich on the cash value a car monthy payment somehow figured he has something to say.
963506;1420263878;mod6;so now it keeps the BDB TX logs down to < 1Mb each, and I've never seen more than 60 of them in the ~/.bitcoin/database/ dir before being flushed out
963507;1420263893;mod6;<+ascii_modem> neh he snipped whole thing << yeah.
963508;1420263899;mod6;gone.
963509;1420263961;ascii_modem;ballast gone; how will lighten balloon now!
963510;1420263979;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform: 'amplification' idiocy is trivially tested for, and any isp which doesn't yank the offending lusers ought by all rights to be killed upstream << pretty much this, yes.
963511;1420263990;mod6;<+ascii_modem> speaking of - iirc it was gonna be configable chkpoints , not none at all ? << i guess i wasn't aware of the 'configurable' part, just was going by the todo list: http://wiki.bitcoin-assets.com/0.5.3-todos
963512;1420263991;assbot;0.5.3-todos [bitcoin assets wiki] ... ( http://bit.ly/1I6TYAO )
963513;1420264032;mircea_popescu;mod6 i've been thinking about it, not entirely sure it actually belongs in the core.
963514;1420264036;ascii_modem;more important is configable p2p seeds
963515;1420264041;mircea_popescu;sounds more like a trim, for the toolbox
963516;1420264049;mircea_popescu;yes, that.
963517;1420264096;mircea_popescu;kakobrekla: i think the least damaging way is to kick nicks that are idle sing sing-on. asciilifeform: wanna idle for >5 min, get in wot. << yeah. i can see this, especially as people who wish to simply read logs can just as well read the webpage.
963518;1420264133;mod6;ok, i haven't looked into the part yet where it has been somehow spotted that the blocks seems to get pulled from one peer, instead of many.  if p2p seeds refers to a way to get blocks in more of a torrent fashion, i agree.
963519;1420264136;mircea_popescu;lowers load on freenode, and if they're actually concerned there's whatever skullduggery going on they can just get into teh wot.
963520;1420264158;mircea_popescu;nevertheless, it won't do anything for the case at hand, because well... dude can just get in the wot, what's the big deal.
963521;1420264169;mod6;(bullet point 4): fix behavior where blocks are downloaded from a single peer (what is the desired behavior here? - should be pretty much ripped off from SotA torrent trackers.)
963522;1420264182;mircea_popescu;ayup
963523;1420264195;mod6;ok. just wanted to make sure I understood :)
963524;1420264266;mircea_popescu;kakobrekla: hm. how about 1 min auto voice on join for unseen nicks? << horribru
963525;1420264289;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform: registered << same easy spamatron << moar horribru, now you're giving positive incentive to create unused accounts.
963526;1420264333;mod6;currently, the plan is to attempt to fix the leak that causes the R.I. to crash during full block sync.  but we might end up rolling forward to version .7 and having to re-implement the 7 patches we currently have.
963527;1420264362;mod6;I'm not sure there is any easy way to back-port the raw tx api
963528;1420264377;mod6;thoughts?
963529;1420264389;PeterL;;;later tell pete_dushenski hmm, your blog is on scoopbot's list, I am not sure why it is not shoing up, I will look into it
963530;1420264389;gribble;The operation succeeded.
963531;1420264396;mircea_popescu;kakobrekla: honestly im not sure whats worse, autoddos or autoban. << i really don't see much incentive to do anything at this point. i mean, the ddos guy was moreover useful, for as long as he kept iot up. i didn't think he's reliable, and he proved that much,so.. whatevs.
963532;1420264414;mircea_popescu;the disposing of drooling idiots is an unrelated matter, and if pursued at all should not be pursued in the heat of fake emergencies.
963533;1420264458;mircea_popescu;mod6 why exactly wouldn't be there be an easy way to simply insert raw txn ?
963534;1420264539;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform: the observation that, on account of the log existing, we don't need human idlers for anything at all, was correct << at the very least they provide a passive certification of the log.
963535;1420264543;mod6;well, that maybe have been a poor choice of words.
963536;1420264574;mod6;when trying to back port something i thought would be as simple as import/dump private keys, it turned out that the changes were indeed far reaching in the code.
963537;1420264581;mircea_popescu;moreover, if there's a central repository of the log that's also an exclusive repository of the log, the incentive for nefarious idiots a la ninjashogun to attack it via social engineering increases
963538;1420264611;mircea_popescu;and since the fiat world mostl yexists as a staging scene for various social engineering attacks, from preet bharara onwards, this isn't a good design.
963539;1420264649;mod6;spent, probably a total of 16 hours on it. didn't get very far.  and seeing as though the raw transactions api is 4 versions beyond (or something) v0.6.0, it might be very hard to do it that way.
963540;1420264660;mircea_popescu;mod6 at some point the code transforms an user indicated tx into an actual tx.
963541;1420264665;mircea_popescu;this must be hookable into, logically.
963542;1420264677;mod6;if nothing else, might just be a lot of work.  perhaps do-able, just not a quick/easy way.
963543;1420264688;mircea_popescu;im missing something here.
963544;1420264730;mod6;probably not. i was just hoping to grab that stuff, and get it back-ported quickly.
963545;1420264754;mod6;i might just be dumb though. eheheh.
963546;1420264758;mircea_popescu;honestly i don't even know that the raw transaction power ranger implementation was ever read by anyone.
963547;1420264762;mircea_popescu;or for that matter at all tested.
963548;1420264797;mod6;it may not be. i had a feeling that it is widely used for some reason.
963549;1420264824;mircea_popescu;decimation: freenode seems to attract folks like mr. spam << has 0 to do with freenode. everything sweet attracts gnats.
963550;1420264841;mircea_popescu;mod6 it is somewhat used. not that widely. then again, linuxkernel is widely used. so what of it.
963551;1420264862;mod6;fair enough. perhaps this is not quite the urgent matter that I thought it might have been.
963552;1420264898;mod6;i'll stay the course on v0.5.3 and what we set out to do in january.  will revisit this later in the month as was the plan anyway.
963553;1420264937;mod6;of course, as always, we welcome any help that anyone wants to give to achieve these goals.
963554;1420264977;mircea_popescu;^
963555;1420265010;mircea_popescu;kakobrekla: i think the main issue is he wont be able to take credit. << omfg the slanders.
963556;1420265060;Apocalyptic;<mircea_popescu> or for that matter at all tested. // not sure there is something to be really tested
963557;1420265073;mircea_popescu;it's code innit ?
963558;1420265124;Apocalyptic;in the sense it doesn't really check anything wallet related or something, it's supposed to just parse your JSON and send it to nodes
963559;1420265159;mircea_popescu;right.
963560;1420265159;mircea_popescu;so ?
963561;1420265212;Apocalyptic;so you meant to test such trivial things as parsings ?
963562;1420265212;mod6;yeah, but i just read too that if you don't set your change outputs, you'll end up sending like a huge tx fee.
963563;1420265247;mod6;so, well, i dunno, i guess "works as designed" or something, but a least do the guy a favor of a reach-around
963564;1420265275;mod6;let him know that he's about to send a 40 BTC tx fee.  there are improvments that can be made perhaps
963565;1420265278;mod6;:]
963566;1420265300;mircea_popescu;Apocalyptic in theory there is no difference between theory and practice.
963567;1420265377;mircea_popescu;but anyway, the project does need more resources. if you feel like reading and submitting the thing, signed, jurov's keeping the list and erryone'd be moar than happy.
963568;1420265640;Apocalyptic;actually after reading the relevant code there is some logic related to the mempool, so it may be worth some tests indeed
963569;1420265733;mod6;feel free to hit either ben_vulpes or me anytime if you wanna collaborate on that.
963570;1420265794;mod6;we appreciate any and all help on this endeavor
963571;1420265807;Apocalyptic;noted, I don't have that much free time at the moment
963572;1420265891;mod6;no sweat. we're not quite at that point anyway.  as I was eluding to in the Address & ToDo, I'll update #b-a at some point during the month after we get this other leak sorted.
963573;1420265920;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 2000 @ 0.00084489 = 1.6898 BTC [-] {19} 
963574;1420265939;mod6;if you still don't have any spare time, we'll figure out something.
963575;1420265980;mod6;<+ascii_modem> bdb begs for the axe << yes. it's awful.
963576;1420266117;Apocalyptic;and probably not that qualified as well, i'm no programmer in any sense, much less a C++ guru
963577;1420266146;mod6;aight no worries Apocalyptic :)
963578;1420266601;BingoBoingo;!up devthedev
963579;1420266652;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 5000 @ 0.00081317 = 4.0659 BTC [-] {6} 
963580;1420266680;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform: mike_c: sure. <<< tis melting like april snow, the case.
963581;1420266756;mircea_popescu;mike_c: the solution being, we lock them out. << "if we kill all the babies, we will in fact have reduced infant mortality to an unmatchable 0 in subsequent years"
963582;1420266862;mircea_popescu;mike_c: that sucks << there's a lot more depth to this point than meets the eye. us children are inept these days first and foremost because they have been removed from the workplace in the 50s and 60s, under the guise of "safety" and the general nonsense where "Everything must be separated" that also yielded zoning laws etc.
963583;1420266886;mircea_popescu;there's a lot of benefit for any 7yo in having a close friend that lost some appendages to heavy machinery.
963584;1420266971;devthedev;Garza is unreal
963585;1420267042;mircea_popescu;what now ?
963586;1420267077;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform: (i'd love to hear a rationale for it) << people other than nanotube are keeping track of the various scammers trying to use gribble.
963587;1420267185;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform: PeterL: you have to - yes. mr i-owned-fleanode nsa clerk - no. <<< yes, let him do this, love to see it.
963588;1420267205;mircea_popescu;security is not reducible to "build a really thick steel plate"
963589;1420267257;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform: re: wot: (question to all present) - how often do you re-read your own wot history? << weekly.
963590;1420267281;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform: even if you do, there is no guarantee that other readers see the same thing you see << yeah, there is.
963591;1420267465;mircea_popescu;nanotube: it is being worked on. but have a lot of other stuff on my plate. once everything is signed, there will not even be a need for something like "auth". <<< this is a good point. having identity implemented as a stateful thing is mindboggling anyway. stuff like cloaks and so on pale in comparison.
963592;1420267511;mircea_popescu;PeterL: so instead of just saying "eauth peterl", now we will say "eauth peterl <signature by key goes here>"? << conceivably, you'd say something like .rate url exactly hjow notary bot [used to] work
963593;1420267653;cazalla;coinfire, bitcointalk, bitcoin forum all get garza legal threats.. qntra? nothing, anything pop up in your inbox mircea_popescu ?
963594;1420267685;mircea_popescu;cazalla i get between a few and a dozen poorly cobbled together "legal threats" each week.
963595;1420267707;cazalla;none of any interest then i take it
963596;1420267737;mircea_popescu;occasionally there's some sec "senior attorney" gofer. the vast majority is X dude who doesn't like the fact that trilema maintains a copy of whatever stupid evil shit he did a few years ago and figures "hey, a few years ago means it never happened"
963597;1420267753;mircea_popescu;nothing signed "garza" at any rate
963598;1420267776;mircea_popescu;there's like... 6 different ones from ninjashogun AFTER hanbot wrote that post.
963599;1420267785;cazalla;lol
963600;1420267790;mircea_popescu;there's 9 from various ceos and assorted derps
963601;1420267803;mircea_popescu;protesting that their name IS THEIR PROPERTAH
963602;1420267809;mircea_popescu;and some more assorted dumb shit.
963603;1420267811;devthedev;heh
963604;1420267862;devthedev;Why does there always seem to be a lack of intelligent discussion on here? https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=912442.msg10019113#msg10019113
963605;1420267862;assbot;[2014-01-02] QNTRA: Theymos Claims Josh Garza Is Sending Him Legal Threats... ... ( http://bit.ly/1EY8Kh8 )
963606;1420267895;mircea_popescu;there's also 723 pieces of email thanking me or otherwise discussing the wordpress hole. since the 16th.
963607;1420267903;mircea_popescu;my inbox is a job for a team of mules.
963608;1420268572;mircea_popescu;"asciilifeform: no actual human transmits $maxint whatevers from a single ip per second/hour/etc" except a) yes they do and b) 4kb should be enough for everyone.
963609;1420268639;mircea_popescu;decimation: although one wonders why mr. spam targets this channel instead of -otc << this is worth something.
963610;1420268679;mircea_popescu;same reason napoleon tried to invade moscow not magnitogorsk, same reason the barricades went up in paris not derpue-sur-herpoise
963611;1420269593;mircea_popescu;decimation mats : the situation with freenode is that it's basically a sinking ship / abandoned tech. the few hanger ons do not actually have the werewithal to do anything other than push the levers, which they sort-of understand how to do, but various rooms are constantly being sealed off because "it's too much". it's indubitable that freenode will eventually sink, and it won't take it decades, for this very reason.
963612;1420269599;mircea_popescu;meanwhile, we're lazy.
963613;1420269710;mircea_popescu;;;bc,stats
963614;1420269714;gribble;Current Blocks: 337243 | Current Difficulty: 4.064095501657649E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 338687 | Next Difficulty In: 1444 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 1 day, 18 hours, 2 minutes, and 10 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 45943174930.0 | Estimated Percent Change: 13.04649
963615;1420269790;mircea_popescu;crybabi: but i won't be using bitbet again, charging a fee when you don't provide a service is no way to run a business << o.O
963616;1420269818;mircea_popescu;i suppose providing a service doesn't count as providing a service except in those cases where the beneficiary is happy with the outcome or something ?
963617;1420269855;mircea_popescu;i suppose if there wasn't an obamacare "you don't have to pay your own medical bills" the us consumer'd "have come to expect" that he only pays if the surgery/treatment is successful.
963618;1420269891;mircea_popescu;"hi, i had my tits done at your clinic two weeks ago but my husband left me for a younger woman anyway so i'd like a refund now because you didn't provide a service".
963619;1420270459;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo: BitBet mixer is why I thought prop stakes were refunded minus fee << that's like advanced class.
963620;1420270495;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 4857 @ 0.00084499 = 4.1041 BTC [+]
963621;1420270592;mircea_popescu;re : http://www.warplife.com/mdc/essays/business/self-employment.html
963622;1420270593;assbot;Self Employment: Even on a Good Day Things are Hard ... ( http://bit.ly/1zJFjXL )
963623;1420270608;mircea_popescu;"They spent several months testing my code, comparing its performance with their old database, which was pretty primitive but known to be reliable." vs "If their application went down for even a day, it would cost them hundreds of thousands of dollars. This was a common occurrence, as their existing application was pretty buggy."
963624;1420270617;mircea_popescu;the guy's lying through his teeth, michael o church style ?
963625;1420270677;mircea_popescu;"This was a single Windows executable with well over a hundred man-years of blood, sweat and tears invested in it." idiot, srsly.
963626;1420271110;mircea_popescu;"10 reasons Preet Bharara should be the next attorney general" "Investment banks were most responsible for the devastating economic downturn, yet the costs of their opportunistic behavior were placed on the shoulders of everyday Americans, who lost jobs, retirement savings, and confidence in the market."
963627;1420271122;mircea_popescu;yep, the roland freiser thing is quite on point. fucking fatlogic, well done cnn.
963628;1420271193;mircea_popescu;they even have the unmitigated audacity to add that violation of the indian diplomat on his cv as if it were a positive.
963629;1420271200;mircea_popescu;iiincredible what pravda can print.
963630;1420271241;mircea_popescu;"The nation would be well-served to elevate Bharara from the "Sheriff of Wall Street" to chief federal law-enforcement officer."
963631;1420271243;mircea_popescu;ahem.
963632;1420271365;mircea_popescu;ahaha check out the coincidence of all time http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=19-12-2014#957468 i ended up right in the middle of the dramaz ?
963633;1420271365;assbot;Logged on 19-12-2014 18:37:28; mircea_popescu: o.O check itout, new names ?
963634;1420271672;mircea_popescu;"Hey friends, reddit cryptocurrency engineer here. The post is deliberately vague about technology and legal. For one, we're holding back on committing to a particular technology just because the bitcoin world changes very fast, and we want to make sure we pick the right choice. However, almost certainly it will be either colored coins or sidechains."
963635;1420271678;mircea_popescu;lol reddit coin. mkay.
963636;1420271707;mircea_popescu;so basically doge v2.0, because the fucktards must have a "moon rocket".
963637;1420271730;mircea_popescu;im sure it'll work out so very differently from the first version, because yes, totally, people matter and their desires change reality.
963638;1420271790;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes: mthreat, mircea_popescu: http://bubblear.com/bloody-hell-argentinas-import-restrictions-cause-tampon-shortage/ << corroboration? <<< utter nonsense.
963639;1420271793;assbot;Bloody Hell: Argentina's Import Restrictions Cause Tampon Shortage | The Bubble | News from Argentina ... ( http://bit.ly/1tHW4Go )
963640;1420271933;mircea_popescu;"kakobrekla: On a good note, Judge Rakoff called me a brilliant visionary and that he admires my brainpower. #bitcoin"  << shrem's retarded, basically.
963641;1420272019;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=20-12-2014#957658 <<< in practice, this worked out to "the reporting facilitated FBI's lying about imaginary north korean hackers, and thoroughly embarassing themselves to a degree not seen since bush swore he personaly saw saddam's terrorism stash".
963642;1420272019;assbot;Logged on 20-12-2014 03:10:14; decimation: http://www.fbi.gov/news/pressrel/press-releases/update-on-sony-investigation << there is an air of desperation here: "Sony reported this incident within hours, which is what the FBI hopes all companies will do when facing a cyber attack. Sony’s quick reporting facilitated the investigators’ ability to do their jobs, and ultimately to identify the source of these attacks."
963643;1420272033;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform seriously, if this meta-nsa exists, how come the fbi is this impotent ?
963644;1420272061;mircea_popescu;i mean, seriously. what agency in the history of that business would ever, under any circumstances, make such a ridiculous blunder ?
963645;1420272089;mircea_popescu;that stuff happens once all the actual agents left, and the remaining bureaucrats understandably have no self respect or career spirit.
963646;1420272127;mircea_popescu;the fbi as it currently stands has not the werewithal to extract itself from a paper bag. and i mean that literally, if i kidnapped them all and dropped them in rural kansas they'd prolly never make it back to headquarters.
963647;1420272210;mircea_popescu;decimation: It's good that reporters apologize for asking questions, makes the situation clear for the little people <<< seriously, since when does the press EVEN GO to prepared statement and catering sort of affairs ?
963648;1420272284;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=20-12-2014#957685 versus http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=07-02-2014#487026
963649;1420272284;assbot;Logged on 20-12-2014 03:34:37; decimation: http://www.nextgov.com/cybersecurity/2014/12/opm-alerts-feds-second-background-check-breach/101622/ << "The Office of Personnel Management is alerting more than 48,000 federal employees their personal information may have been exposed following a breach at KeyPoint Government Solutions, which conducts background investigations of federal employees seeking security clearances."
963650;1420272284;assbot;Logged on 07-02-2014 15:23:38; mircea_popescu: next step : Bitcoin regulates the USG.
963651;1420272304;mircea_popescu;note it took them HALF A YEAR to figure out we actually do know where they live.
963652;1420272343;mircea_popescu;how secure can one feel, as a mid range us bureaucrat, given these revelations ? the usg can not protect you, yo.
963653;1420272345;mircea_popescu;not even today.
963654;1420272378;mircea_popescu;what will it do in 2025, when you will ostensibly still wish to eat ? to avoid daily beatings ? to not be fed, live, to specially prepared hungry pigs ?
963655;1420272946;cazalla;giant pigs straight from hannibal eh
963656;1420272966;cazalla;well, i always wanted to be a farmer!
963657;1420273155;mircea_popescu;lol
963658;1420273198;mircea_popescu;the "press" is so fuycking lulzy. check this out :
963659;1420273205;mircea_popescu;;;google "GSHK heavy-machine guns"
963660;1420273205;gribble;It's not just the savagery of Isis that is shocking – its weaponry is too ...: <http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/comment/the-savagery-of-isisis-shocking--and-so-too-is-its-weaponry-9700476.html>; DShK - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DShK>; Category:Multi-barrel machine guns - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: (1 more message)
963661;1420273209;mircea_popescu;;;google DSHK heavy-machine guns
963662;1420273210;gribble;DShK - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DShK>; Shooting a DShK Heavy Machine Gun - YouTube: <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tgXWJEZzFHE>; Modern Firearms - DShK / DShKM 12.7 heavy machine gun: <http://world.guns.ru/machine/mg03-e.htm>
963663;1420273221;mircea_popescu;what, get the letters right ?! whai!
963664;1420273279;mircea_popescu;i guess it's going to now be called "gushka"
963665;1420273339;mircea_popescu;decimation: asciilifeform: I doubt there will be a 'day of reckoning' w.r.t. tor. it will just turn off and the derps will move on << pretty much exactly.
963666;1420273351;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: But this way they win the SEO
963667;1420273377;mircea_popescu;and all the agents involved, as well as the plethora of idiots, will just duly update their cv to reflect their certified expertise and act as if you know, they know shit.
963668;1420273390;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo i guess they do at that.
963669;1420273390;cazalla;how fucking eerie is this.. open up trilema.com http://i.imgur.com/0pYGadA.png
963670;1420273392;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1Deinni )
963671;1420273409;mircea_popescu;cazalla it's emerging ai huh ?
963672;1420273587;cazalla;mircea_popescu, i can't discount the chance you served that up specifically to my ip, who knows eh
963673;1420273600;mircea_popescu;you can, cuz i didn't.
963674;1420273684;mircea_popescu;decimation: no word on whether microsoft is going to be held liable for ridiculously poor engineering < :)))
963675;1420273699;mircea_popescu;that'd be the lulz of all time tho, sony sueing microsoft for lost revenues etc.
963676;1420273715;mircea_popescu;i'd watch that, and that's the first entertainment sony ever made that i'd watch.
963677;1420273780;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform: afaik every word of the history of the two koreas available in the english language, since the first days leading up to the war, is a cheap fabrication.<< in no way different from the same words available in juche language
963678;1420274338;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4000 @ 0.00059776 = 2.391 BTC [-]
963679;1420279401;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34650 @ 0.00063389 = 21.9643 BTC [+]
963680;1420283061;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 4032 @ 0.00078999 = 3.1852 BTC [-] {7} 
963681;1420283306;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5547 @ 0.00060876 = 3.3768 BTC [-]
963682;1420284525;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25517 @ 0.00059347 = 15.1436 BTC [-] {3} 
963683;1420284586;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24083 @ 0.00058128 = 13.999 BTC [-] {4} 
963684;1420288551;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7302 @ 0.00060876 = 4.4452 BTC [+]
963685;1420289710;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8500 @ 0.00063639 = 5.4093 BTC [+] {2} 
963686;1420290137;*;xanthyos
963687;1420291893;kakobrekla;;;ticker
963688;1420291895;gribble;Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 298.65, Best ask: 299.5, Bid-ask spread: 0.85000, Last trade: 298.54, 24 hour volume: 10515.82939934, 24 hour low: 297.97, 24 hour high: 316.92, 24 hour vwap: 307.533361503
963689;1420294956;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7928 @ 0.00062708 = 4.9715 BTC [-]
963690;1420295439;mircea_popescu;;;ticker
963691;1420295440;gribble;Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 299.3, Best ask: 299.92, Bid-ask spread: 0.62000, Last trade: 299.92, 24 hour volume: 11393.86973249, 24 hour low: 297.0, 24 hour high: 316.83, 24 hour vwap: 306.511884368
963692;1420295445;mircea_popescu;;;bc,stats
963693;1420295448;gribble;Current Blocks: 337290 | Current Difficulty: 4.064095501657649E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 338687 | Next Difficulty In: 1397 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 1 day, 5 hours, 13 minutes, and 24 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 45855462688.8 | Estimated Percent Change: 12.83067
963694;1420295783;mircea_popescu;decimation: asciilifeform: either from ore or paying the ransom required to get intel et. al. to completely open the design for a chipset <<< or else simply sony-ing it.
963695;1420295862;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-12-2014#958078 << cultist.
963696;1420295862;assbot;Logged on 21-12-2014 11:41:37; jurov: bwahaha SYSTEMD IS ALWAYS RIGHT
963697;1420296006;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes "To some extent, yes. I spent almost a decade investing in early stage startups, and curiously enough protecting yourself against obsolete beliefs is exactly what you have to do to succeed as a startup investor." << yes, you miss the part where he never succeeded as a start-up investor.
963698;1420296032;mircea_popescu;he succeeded as an easy money usg moocher, which is i suppose something he justifies to himself as "being an expert in a later version of the world"
963699;1420296048;mircea_popescu;except the usg is not a version of the world, it's merely a version of graham & co's beliefs.
963700;1420296062;mircea_popescu;the problem with those being singularly that they diverge from the world.
963701;1420296144;scoopbot;New post on Trilema by Mircea Popescu: http://trilema.com/2015/minigame-smg-december-2014-statement/
963702;1420296238;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform: 'Please could we stick to the technical aspects of this problem. Attempts to apportion responsibilty rarely lead anywhere.' << immediately shoot in the head anyone saying this. help make the world a better place.
963703;1420296367;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-12-2014#958151 << lmao too good. "oh b-a is a cult because it points and laugh at us. what's this, something malfunctioning ? no no it's a feature. oh wait, devs actually admit it was a bug ? uhhh... we're just the us agitprop machine, wut."
963704;1420296367;assbot;Logged on 21-12-2014 18:02:01; asciilifeform: which, it turns out, the systemd pushers reflexively defended as a feature.
963705;1420296455;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo: mats: Maybe MP should stay on vacation? ;/
963706;1420296465;mircea_popescu;BUT I WORK REALLY HARD!
963707;1420296544;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=22-12-2014#958222 << look at this, decimation said exactly what i said half a day earlier than me.
963708;1420296544;assbot;Logged on 22-12-2014 01:27:18; decimation: this guy (along with his brother) > http://www.forbes.com/profile/donald-newhouse/ <owns advance publications, which owns reddit
963709;1420296570;mircea_popescu;i honestly hadn't read it. great cults think alike!
963710;1420296664;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16634 @ 0.00063719 = 10.599 BTC [+] {2} 
963711;1420296755;thestringpuller;happy birthday genesis block
963712;1420296794;mircea_popescu;good point heh.
963713;1420296845;mircea_popescu;mats: then shadowban 90% of posters <<< can only shadowban 10% of users. because percents, and "new version of the world"
963714;1420296887;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=22-12-2014#958248 << gotta watch those old versions of the world, yo, lest sam altman gives you a "doesn't understand how the world works" black star.
963715;1420296887;assbot;Logged on 22-12-2014 02:21:10; decimation: some bum who camps next to the George Washington bridge also has 300,000 'views' per day - that doesn't transform him into a 'profitable business'
963716;1420297106;thestringpuller;lol, "bitcoin miami con. ference."
963717;1420297133;mircea_popescu;undata: mats: was there some more specific strategy with the brick than "fuck this wrist..." ? << i also think the guy had the right idea. "when confronted with bullshit, escalate."
963718;1420297270;*;adlai is so glad that he's not paying for his miami btc attendance
963719;1420297289;kakobrekla;you are going there?!
963720;1420297306;adlai;plans finalized weeks ago
963721;1420297308;mats;https://www.mail-archive.com/openssl-dev@openssl.org/msg37790.html
963722;1420297309;assbot;[openssl-dev] EC key generation in broken in all versions ... ( http://bit.ly/1A5YBvN )
963723;1420297322;mircea_popescu;decimation: it would probably be okay for dictating an email or whatever << this mostly exposes the unfounded belief that coding is for men while emails is for women. in point of fact, adding an extra byte error in some derpy code is irrelevant. for one thing, it would not be the only one. for another thing, it's just code. meanwhile, i shudder at the thought of byte errors in my emails.
963724;1420297350;mircea_popescu;ahaha wut mats
963725;1420297416;mats;it looks bad
963726;1420297419;mircea_popescu;"Because OpenSSL gently handles leading zero bytes in a private key, I'm quite sure that a correction of the EC key encoding has no impact."
963727;1420297433;mircea_popescu;basically, leading 0s / bad padding. not so much of a practical issue
963728;1420297442;adlai;garzacoin shilling is getting quite intense, though. i've even met irl paycoin shills at a local meetup, and it's sad how clueless they are of their role in the larger scam (or sad how they can't get a decent stage acting gig, and have to do this shit instead)
963729;1420297447;mircea_popescu;but definitely not the only cockroach inthat room.
963730;1420297462;mircea_popescu;adlai why on that later part ?
963731;1420297483;mircea_popescu;unemployed actors have always been indistinguishable from bums. this for very good reason, without this mud on the pond bottom, no lotus.
963732;1420297516;*;mircea_popescu adds Annie Yousar to the list of women in tech he likes.
963733;1420297729;thestringpuller;"Why don't we just shoot nuclear waste of our atmosphere and into the Sun?" "Because it's stupid expensive and it's stupid dangerous if a rocket blows up on the launchpad. Please don't do this."
963734;1420297764;mircea_popescu;nah, it's actually the only sensible solution.
963735;1420297798;mircea_popescu;also where it's headed. the entire "o we hate this that and the other" verbiage peripheral to energy generation today is entirely born out of abundance.
963736;1420297811;mircea_popescu;once shit starts running out...
963737;1420297876;assbot;Last 1 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/0DEZHH3.txt )
963738;1420297876;thestringpuller;!b 1
963739;1420297891;kakobrekla;well sorry to hear that adlai :)
963740;1420298135;mircea_popescu;Preet Baharara is himself specifically concerned that the defense wants to bring up:
963741;1420298136;mircea_popescu;"views concerning the propriety of U.S. or international drug laws or the propriety of government regulation of individual conduct or commerce on the Internet"
963742;1420298136;mircea_popescu;heh.
963743;1420298158;mircea_popescu;and this shouldn't be a point of discussion in that trial because... they know they'll lose ?
963744;1420298300;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=22-12-2014#958376 << check out the wary, restrained suspicious look of the italian guy in the back. testament to the insane pressure everyone's under, for literally no good reason.
963745;1420298300;assbot;Logged on 22-12-2014 06:04:16; fluffypony: incredible photo of a cop beating a black man in New York: http://i.imgur.com/H3NPEbi.jpg
963746;1420298303;mircea_popescu;"o but it was on tv"
963747;1420298347;adlai;actually looks like the cop is getting his ass handed to him
963748;1420298384;mircea_popescu;mhm.
963749;1420298457;mircea_popescu;cazalla "Qntra first began sounding the alarm in regards suspicious claims made by GAW Miners back in October of 2014 and despite these warnings, it has largely gone ignored until the past few days whereby it has exploded all over /r/bitcoin." dja mean qntra or gaw has been largely ignored ?
963750;1420298543;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=22-12-2014#958408 << i agree, not a bad use of 402
963751;1420298543;assbot;Logged on 22-12-2014 07:07:40; fluffypony: thestringpuller: what's lol about that? reasonable use of an unused HTTP code, and I don't think that there's anything wrong with the plugin they've developed
963752;1420298805;mircea_popescu;"I want to know how this scamming company are finding out the reservation numbers, the dates, the contact details, there's a lot of private information there," she said.
963753;1420298806;mircea_popescu;A spokesperson for Booking.com told Money Box the firm is working with police on how to prevent future phishing attacks. They declined to be interviewed.
963754;1420298806;mircea_popescu;heh.
963755;1420298860;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24982 @ 0.00061156 = 15.278 BTC [-]
963756;1420299364;mircea_popescu;;;seen austeritysucks
963757;1420299364;gribble;austeritysucks was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 1 week, 3 days, 17 hours, 6 minutes, and 26 seconds ago: <austeritysucks> ok have a good one cazalla you too
963758;1420299557;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform: and the whole greenwald/poitras/etc shitgnome gang <<< very little has been made of this, but here'd be a great angle for investigative jouralism :
963759;1420299611;mircea_popescu;all the asshole "lefties" for pay that helped the usg "react to" snowden have made money out of it. the old system where a "random hero" was selected to be held up as a fetish for the masses, "explaining" their poverty and justifying their pointless struggle is giving way, out of sheer exhaustion of resources,
963760;1420299625;mircea_popescu;to the typically corrupt latter soviet system where that hero is a hero of the union.
963761;1420299648;mircea_popescu;so, look into the bank accounts of all those invovled, see who's made a little bezzlebucks they had no perspective of making in 2005
963762;1420299919;mircea_popescu;decimation: imagine if the billions poured into 'cybersecurity' were spent on constructing an actual secure terminal from first principles << there's a fundamental problem with soft, fiat, paper money, that it can't be used for arbitrary purposes, which is the very meaning of "soft" in their name.
963763;1420299940;mircea_popescu;there's that quip about how it's easy enough to get women to do what they want to do anyway, getting them to do what should actually be done is the headache.
963764;1420299958;mircea_popescu;this is exactly how soft money work : you can easily "spend" billions in scrip to get loafers to loaf around.
963765;1420299984;mircea_popescu;you could not get a single dolphin to fly, nor a single loafer to work, for an infinity in scrip. because it's not "in their nature"
963766;1420300005;mircea_popescu;specifically, not in the loafer's nature to chance, he needs to be coerced. and not in the scrip's nature to coerce, it'd have to be hard money for that.
963767;1420300108;mircea_popescu;in this sense, some guys stranded on a deserted island COULD build a coconut trading empire where they just keep selling and buying the same three dried old coconuts to the point where their imaginary "economy" far outstrips the whole combined world trade.
963768;1420300128;mircea_popescu;what they couldn't ever do, no matter what nominal value each coconut theoretically reaches, is buy a sloop.
963769;1420300147;mircea_popescu;even if the coconut goes for ten trillion "dollars" on their island, and a sloop never costs 1mn
963770;1420300181;mircea_popescu;so in this sense, thinking of bitcoin as even having a dollar value other than infinity is nonsense.
963771;1420300216;mircea_popescu;i can use my bitcoin to pay for a hit on obama. one can't even use his dollars in lumps larger than 10k, we don't even get to discuss the content because the form already trips us up.
963772;1420300286;mircea_popescu;in any case, money and us dollars aren't fungible, and so no, nobody could ever have used the billions poured into cybersecurity for any useful purpose.
963773;1420300319;mircea_popescu;that money only existed for as long as it wasn't put to work, much like buffett's billions worth of chewinggum empires
963774;1420301058;danielpbarron;!up ascii_modem
963775;1420301066;ascii_modem;ty
963776;1420301125;ascii_modem;that money only existed for as long as it wasn't put to work << definition of bezzle, aha
963777;1420301365;ascii_modem;else simply sony-ing it << only question is how to make the buggers keep the 'sony-d' chip in print.
963778;1420301452;ascii_modem;notice how more or less full docs for 15+ y.o. pc components can usually be had (perhaps minus the backdoors & easter eggs, but sufficient for kernel devs)
963779;1420301499;ascii_modem;but invariably this happens only when the chip can no longer be met with even in a scrapyard.
963780;1420302008;ascii_modem;how come the fbi is this impotent ? << because it is slated for replacement with a new gendarmerie. i thought we went over this
963781;1420302013;mircea_popescu;no, sony the whole thing
963782;1420302017;mircea_popescu;keep chip in print yourself.
963783;1420302052;ascii_modem;lol which 'yourself' ? and how to know it wasn't a hangout design
963784;1420302064;ascii_modem;see siberian pipeline.
963785;1420302075;mircea_popescu;how does isis know the dushkas aren't really "gushkas" ?
963786;1420302094;ascii_modem;aha. see 'eldest son'
963787;1420302138;ascii_modem;(usa mixed tetryl into gunpowder and slipped the cartridges behind north vietnamese lines)
963788;1420302172;mircea_popescu;decimation: one gets the picture that usg 'leaders' think of themselves as being above such trivialities as secure communications << this is not as unlikely as itmay seem. at a time when caesar came up with the pgp of that time, most of the senate a) loled at the nonsense ; b) wondered which gods caesar was praying to to be that successful.
963789;1420302192;mircea_popescu;ascii_modem different usa.
963790;1420302241;mircea_popescu;by the way ascii_modem! teh world eagerly awaits a letter from you. seeing how we missed the previous opportunity
963791;1420302271;ascii_modem;soon as i get home ( visiting phamily )
963792;1420302279;mircea_popescu;how's family ?
963793;1420302299;ascii_modem;sleeping.
963794;1420302346;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform: wake me up when a 'minuteman' is pwned and sent off on an unsanctioned joyride. << that may require fixing them.
963795;1420302350;ascii_modem;so before my battery dies: fbi will be swapped out for janissary corps of some description
963796;1420302374;ascii_modem;just as courts will be freislerized under herr bhararra
963797;1420302395;mircea_popescu;nah
963798;1420302402;mircea_popescu;it doesn't actually have the oomph to carry it through
963799;1420302415;mircea_popescu;that'd be the fate of an actual, vital, functioning empire.
963800;1420302419;ascii_modem;and devil knows what other mutations will be - attempted
963801;1420302420;mircea_popescu;this one... will just dissolve.
963802;1420302474;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=24-12-2014#959765 and http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=24-12-2014#959724
963803;1420302474;assbot;Logged on 24-12-2014 08:40:19; jurov: <mircea_popescu> somehow nobody goes "o look, mp paid 100s of btc so bitcoin financial space may exist" << you know, that space practically does not exist for them
963804;1420302474;assbot;Logged on 24-12-2014 03:30:09; asciilifeform: all that resulted was a leak, of facts which anglo media will never print - so it's almost as good, from their point of view, as 'never happened'
963805;1420302483;mircea_popescu;errything's world with teh wrong!
963806;1420302489;ascii_modem;i still want to learn how they intend to keep dpr from mouthing off in the cage
963807;1420302498;ascii_modem;muzzle ?
963808;1420302510;mircea_popescu;threaten him with being kick out if he does.
963809;1420302523;mircea_popescu;likely, the same education that produced retardo-shrem had some effect on him too
963810;1420302535;mircea_popescu;fail that, kick him out of his own trial, hold the whole thing stalin-style
963811;1420302542;mircea_popescu;they'd rather not, but it's purely an aesthetic preference.
963812;1420302548;ascii_modem;i suspect he'll be shown the instruments.
963813;1420302554;mircea_popescu;eh what instruments.
963814;1420302595;ascii_modem;perhaps simply the inside of two different prisons
963815;1420302616;mircea_popescu;men afraid of prisons are like women afraid of cocks.
963816;1420302707;ascii_modem;they'll show him a пресс-хата
963817;1420302751;ascii_modem;(specially-prepared cell full of eager beavers of wtf the current eng term is for them)
963818;1420302767;mircea_popescu;is that a FEMININE ?!
963819;1420302776;ascii_modem;press-hut
963820;1420302794;ascii_modem;as in peine forte et dure
963821;1420302796;mircea_popescu;but it's press-hutte
963822;1420302802;ascii_modem;aha
963823;1420302804;mircea_popescu;lawl.
963824;1420302813;mircea_popescu;russian is almost romanian in its sense of sarcasm.
963825;1420302842;ascii_modem;arbitrary genderings, as in , e.g. french
963826;1420302878;mircea_popescu;kakobrekla: misery keeps us feed. <<< that kicked ass lol
963827;1420303434;mircea_popescu;;;google mika epstein daterange:2457024-2457026
963828;1420303436;gribble;Mika Epstein aka Ipstenu is a thoroughly clueless poser pe Trilema ...: <http://trilema.com/2015/mika-epstein-aka-ipstenu-is-a-thoroughly-clueless-poser/>; WordPress › Support » HostIP.info not working: <https://wordpress.org/support/topic/2198237>; Mailbag: Where Do I Start Learning? - Half-Elf on Tech: <http://halfelf.org/2015/mailbag-start-learning/>
963829;1420303443;mircea_popescu;heh.
963830;1420303946;mircea_popescu;!up justusranvier
963831;1420303948;mircea_popescu;!up austeritysucks
963832;1420304156;mircea_popescu;davout: BingoBoingo: i really like your articles <<< i agree, the man's showing real talent.
963833;1420305021;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 30077 @ 0.00005013 = 1.5078 BTC [-] {3} 
963834;1420305412;scoopbot;New post on Trilema by Mircea Popescu: http://trilema.com/2015/bitbet-sbbet-december-2014-statement/
963835;1420306385;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform: xilinx ships a set of identially-functioning turdlibraries for both languages. << one wonders how they actually achieved this.
963836;1420306392;BingoBoingo;<mircea_popescu> BUT I WORK REALLY HARD! << But it stabilized S.MPOE
963837;1420306474;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform: at the risk of repeating the last 100+ xilinx threads <<< basically, there was no torvalds for hardware. yet.
963838;1420306482;mircea_popescu;phocus an' emphasis on yet.
963839;1420306601;*;ben_vulpes dreams lightly of litho processes and large gates
963840;1420306627;ben_vulpes;<mircea_popescu> [02:37:56] kakobrekla: he is just caught in a local pain minimum. <<< kako is like our blind slovenly prophet. he knows teh truths! << blind somalian i thot ;)
963841;1420306643;mircea_popescu;it's complicated.
963842;1420306981;kakobrekla;jesus bbet div incident again. this is worse than if it was automated.
963843;1420307052;mircea_popescu;much worse.
963844;1420307111;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform: see the siberian pipeline incident. << i am not convinced by this sole flower.
963845;1420307129;mircea_popescu;pretty much every industrial project fails in some manner or another before being complete.
963846;1420307140;mircea_popescu;the russians are possibly sloppier than average.
963847;1420307172;mircea_popescu;in that sea of diverse failure, that malware was involved in like... one in a decade fails to even register
963848;1420307238;mircea_popescu;and this without as much as considering the wilful part. to propose that the us has any control over the ineptitude it peddles (not just software - their politics of "democracy" are equally inept, and just as eagerly exported) past the simple "it'll suck" strikes me as nonsense.
963849;1420307277;mircea_popescu;you might as well claim a tb patient is god, because he can kill people. sort-of.
963850;1420307313;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform: what should he want on top of this ? << the world is not made either by or for the content.
963851;1420307362;mircea_popescu;decimation: if the world were reversed and china was designing stuff for us foundries to stamp out, it would certainly be the case that us folks would try to do it themselves << in 1814 this actually was the case, except china was england.
963852;1420307382;mircea_popescu;in 2014 ? no wai. ascii's description of the chinaman suits the usian much closer than it suits the intended subject.
963853;1420307432;mircea_popescu;decimation: complexity is intentional, to lock everybody in <<< while this may be true, it is also in economical terms an anti-moat. not only does it not make it hard for competitors to compete, it actually makes it easy.
963854;1420307545;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform: the freedom of the semiconductor belongs - not! to the fellow with the factory - but the one who controlls the entire process stack << so much bull. and i suppose the freedom of the press belongs to conde nast, because mp can't write a blong and it can't be more widely read than mashable because wikipedia won't admit to it and that matters. o.O and okay...
963855;1420307593;mircea_popescu;Adlai: so what's the roadmap for liberating honest silicon's ability to self-reproduce from the monkeys that are trying to choke it down? a) make cardano ; b) make next product ; c) keep doing this.
963856;1420307640;mircea_popescu;keep nipping from the sides until eventually, have a complete, us-independent computing stack. start open war on the patent idiots, put everyone ever involved in jail, starve them slowly, publish pictures in a specially created memorial etc etc.
963857;1420308117;kakobrekla;#deed http://trilema.com/2015/bitbet-sbbet-december-2014-statement/#comment-111116
963858;1420308117;assbot;BitBet (S.BBET) December 2014 Statement pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.  ... ( http://bit.ly/1HpbaTH )
963859;1420308132;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 54473 @ 0.00062038 = 33.794 BTC [+] {2} 
963860;1420309187;ben_vulpes;kakobrekla: got my hopes up for a second there
963861;1420309353;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22800 @ 0.00056887 = 12.9702 BTC [-] {7} 
963862;1420311735;BingoBoingo;;;gettrust darsie
963863;1420311737;gribble;Currently authenticated from hostmask darsie!~darsie@80-110-73-160.cgn.dynamic.surfer.at. Trust relationship from user BingoBoingo to user darsie: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 1 via 1 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=BingoBoingo&dest=darsie | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=darsie | Rated since: Sun Jul  1 16:42:17 2012
963864;1420311779;BingoBoingo;<gribble> #21874 || darsie || BUY 1.0 1 kg uranium @ 100 EUR || e.g. counterweight, projectile, radiation shield. I'm not sure if that's a reasonable price since an aircraft company had trouble finding a dump where they could get rid of some counterweights. I'm open for other amounts or some thorium metal/compounds, highly radioactive stuff like mushrooms from Chernobyl and a ~1 kg piece of tungsten at/near theoretical density.
963865;1420312025;BingoBoingo;scoopbot -fetch
963866;1420312035;scoopbot;New post on Qntra.net by Bingo Boingo: http://qntra.net/2015/01/espn-sold-their-bitcoins/
963867;1420312307;BingoBoingo;!up ascii_modem
963868;1420312328;ascii_modem;ty BingoBoingo
963869;1420312482;ascii_modem;see the siberian pipeline incident. << i am not convinced by this sole flower. <<<< an attributable wreck is a failed mission, really
963870;1420312505;mircea_popescu;;;seen punkman
963871;1420312506;gribble;punkman was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 1 day, 22 hours, 45 minutes, and 46 seconds ago: <punkman> if I wasn't already smoker, I'd probably start right about now
963872;1420312554;ascii_modem;the silent, tedious corrosion of everything even vaguely computerized, on account of winblows - that's a modern usg win.
963873;1420312563;mircea_popescu;how is it a win lol.
963874;1420312625;ascii_modem;ephialtes doesnt care abou straightening own back - knows it's a fantasy - but happy to turn everyone else into hunchback.
963875;1420312627;BingoBoingo;<mircea_popescu> how is it a win lol. << If USG accepts it can't have nice things it can try to still be kind of the dump
963876;1420312641;mircea_popescu;re BingoBoingo's piece : bitpay ended up buying VIEWERS at 150 usd/CPM ?
963877;1420312672;mircea_popescu;pretty bad deal.
963878;1420312771;ascii_modem;lol! i can't even readily distinguish this incident from the ordinary background radiation of perverse chumpatronicity that surrounds everything sport-related at all times...
963879;1420312786;BingoBoingo;Par for that advertising chumpatron
963880;1420312870;mircea_popescu;still a horrible use of dollars. apple got to be apple by paying about 2-5% of that, over a decade.
963881;1420312887;mircea_popescu;compared to that discipline, the impact of jobs' "genius" is overstated.
963882;1420312899;mircea_popescu;in completely unrelated idiocy : "No Javascript You are seeing this page because you do not have Javascript enabled in your browser. Unshorten.It! requires Javascript to function. "
963883;1420312911;ascii_modem;wat
963884;1420312927;mircea_popescu;meanwhile $ curl -v  http://t.co/NSgTQv1tyN
963885;1420312928;assbot;Investigations in the bone heap of the lost generation. Today, Mashable. pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.  ... ( http://bit.ly/1A71lsD )
963886;1420312928;mircea_popescu;location: http://trilema.com/2015/investigations-in-the-bone-heap-of-the-lost-generation-today-mashable/
963887;1420312929;assbot;Investigations in the bone heap of the lost generation. Today, Mashable. pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.  ... ( http://bit.ly/1A71lsS )
963888;1420312933;mircea_popescu;because the web is fucking useless.
963889;1420312938;thestringpuller;you're on a modem? I fall asleep for 2 hours and the world is back int he dark ages?
963890;1420312968;ascii_modem;radiomodem
963891;1420313001;thestringpuller;did you have to dial a telephone number too XD
963892;1420313013;ascii_modem;neh
963893;1420313016;BingoBoingo;<mircea_popescu> still a horrible use of dollars. apple got to be apple by paying about 2-5% of that, over a decade. << It's a fake money problem really. Too many VC dollars that can't actually buy things so they go marketing pissing matches.
963894;1420313047;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo amusingly enough, they did get the right ideas earlier, just no execution. this i suppose is much easier.
963895;1420313066;ascii_modem;that which can be bought with toy money - will be
963896;1420313074;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: Well, earlier they needed discipline to avoid starving.
963897;1420313117;BingoBoingo;We'll know Ethereum is dead when Vitalik puts of Vastly more money for a New Years day bowl.
963898;1420313134;mircea_popescu;heh. that's ok, we kinda knwo it's dead already.
963899;1420313160;ascii_modem;it fired its load
963900;1420313177;ascii_modem;to still palpable effect
963901;1420313219;mircea_popescu;i can't palp it ? how do you do it ?
963902;1420313268;ascii_modem;sank btc/usd. and this is the one time of year when i can feel it on on skin
963903;1420313286;mircea_popescu;heh nonsense.
963904;1420313290;ascii_modem;(recently paid for conf3)
963905;1420313294;mircea_popescu;you might as well say it global warmed.
963906;1420313317;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 1800 @ 0.00082499 = 1.485 BTC [-] {2} 
963907;1420313321;mircea_popescu;decimation: maybe 'honest' silicon valley is impossible, in the same way that it's impossible for the two prisoners to coorperate, even if it is in their best interests << actually the two prisoners cooperate more often than not.
963908;1420313324;ascii_modem;waterfalled
963909;1420313360;mircea_popescu;ascii_modem looky, the 12 btc or w/e random reddit noob threw under the bus in that scam does not to any degree figure.
963910;1420313384;ascii_modem;30000 ?
963911;1420313399;mircea_popescu;get out.
963912;1420313449;ascii_modem;now i can't say they physically existed
963913;1420313454;ascii_modem;but intended effect - is there.
963914;1420313474;mircea_popescu;so is global warming.
963915;1420313481;mircea_popescu;buterin did it!
963916;1420313501;ascii_modem;with mighty fart
963917;1420313526;mircea_popescu;(i'm somehow confused as to how the slackening btc affects you anyway, not like the conference became more expensive ?!)
963918;1420313540;ascii_modem;in btc
963919;1420313585;mircea_popescu;but if you just bought it, you just bought howevermany needed. 100 or 0.1, same thing to you, just a token
963920;1420313603;ascii_modem;can't get btc here by buying like cement
963921;1420313610;mircea_popescu;i dun follow ?
963922;1420313638;ascii_modem;i get paid in bzollars
963923;1420313652;mircea_popescu;ok...?
963924;1420313675;mircea_popescu;;;ticker
963925;1420313676;gribble;Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 298.08, Best ask: 298.96, Bid-ask spread: 0.88000, Last trade: 297.91, 24 hour volume: 12530.87351372, 24 hour low: 297.0, 24 hour high: 316.83, 24 hour vwap: 305.118530684
963926;1420313686;mircea_popescu;o hey, look at that, under 300 even
963927;1420313695;ascii_modem;these are not convertible to btc except via humiliating pederast temples
963928;1420313890;mircea_popescu;http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2883651/U-S-military-shot-MH370-thought-hacked-used-terror-attack-claims-former-airline-boss.html
963929;1420313894;assbot;'US military shot down MH370' claims former Proteus Airlines boss | Daily Mail Online ... ( http://bit.ly/1A755dH )
963930;1420313899;mircea_popescu;wait wait, so one of the miusing planes WAS ACTUALLY SHOT BY THE US ?
963931;1420313907;mircea_popescu;and they're still covering it up ?
963932;1420313918;BingoBoingo;<ascii_modem> these are not convertible to btc except via humiliating pederast temples << Local "Rent to Own" Chumpatron reportedly sells BTC via something called LibertyX Seems to fit the definition of Pederast temple
963933;1420314190;mircea_popescu;!up ascii_modem
963934;1420314208;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes: has anyone ever messed around with sighash_anyonecanpay? <<< not afaik.
963935;1420314215;ascii_modem;airplane << notice the sop 'dailymailization' tactic
963936;1420314219;mircea_popescu;yet another one of those very useful contributions of contributirs contributing.
963937;1420314226;mircea_popescu;ascii_modem i noticed it and ignored it.
963938;1420314237;ascii_modem;insta-anticredibility spray
963939;1420314243;mircea_popescu;looking forward to more of the "oh mp is such a conspiracy nut" stuff.
963940;1420314249;mircea_popescu;nope. doth not work.
963941;1420314270;ascii_modem;'works when used as prescribed'
963942;1420314307;mircea_popescu;nope. it only works in the sense placebo is medicine.
963943;1420314312;mircea_popescu;placebo is not medicine, even if it "works".
963944;1420314321;mircea_popescu;for it to work it'd have to actually work.
963945;1420314383;mircea_popescu;but forget about me for a second. drudge beheaded clinton, the libtards' most beloved president (mostly because he destroyed banks and everyone's savings to put 100k black bums in houses they can't afford and meanwhile destroeyd)
963946;1420314403;mircea_popescu;all through, and years before, and years after they tried this "works" thing.
963947;1420314411;mircea_popescu;it did not save their president. it did nothing else.
963948;1420314416;mircea_popescu;it doth not work.
963949;1420314433;ascii_modem;worked re: kenney, for instance.
963950;1420314444;ascii_modem;kennedy
963951;1420314450;ascii_modem;damn this kbd
963952;1420314456;mircea_popescu;kennedy ?
963953;1420314474;ascii_modem;removal of
963954;1420314483;mircea_popescu;gimme a break will you, or else ima summon preet the friendly parrot to bar you from referencing stuff happening 20 years ago
963955;1420314492;mircea_popescu;statue of lithmusations, yo!
963956;1420314585;mircea_popescu;and currently it's "working" on rush limbaugh, and it's working so well the guy's audience's never been better
963957;1420314601;mircea_popescu;and all his dingy scams selling gold and other crap to mentally disabled senior citizens goes by flying.
963958;1420314664;ascii_modem;he, iirc, is the american zhirinovsky
963959;1420314681;ascii_modem;i.e. controlled , harmless clown
963960;1420314767;mircea_popescu;so this magical dust "works" except it doesn't but it's okay because when it doesn't the shaman didn't really want it to ?
963961;1420314778;mircea_popescu;at some point you gotta accept fact-based evidence.
963962;1420314854;ascii_modem;i'll say it stopped working when, e.g., pentagon missile is discussed - at a tribunal, followed by hangings
963963;1420314875;ascii_modem;of everyone involved in the coverups
963964;1420314882;mircea_popescu;these aren't in any sense the same thing.
963965;1420314893;mircea_popescu;you're proposing it works to the multitudes, this is a test of political will.
963966;1420314919;mircea_popescu;i'll hang them, with or without discussion, with or without "the public", once it's ripe. how's the "works" dust going to do anything either way then ?
963967;1420314923;mircea_popescu;or before then ? or after ?
963968;1420314948;ascii_modem;then - right, works no more
963969;1420314972;ascii_modem;meanwhile, something is standing between these folks and the lampposts
963970;1420314985;mircea_popescu;sure. but not that.
963971;1420314994;mircea_popescu;if it were that, they'd be dangling.
963972;1420315020;mircea_popescu;adlai: for the record, i think that's a shame and a sin, and that y'all are a little silly for this << do explain.
963973;1420315065;mircea_popescu;or perhaps you're going to entertain polite doubt as to the proper count of three beads to better fit with the lazy posing as retarded ?
963974;1420315189;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes: your cl is oddly object oriented << o.O
963975;1420315197;mircea_popescu;that's a serious insult is it ?
963976;1420315265;ascii_modem;for the record, 'clos' is, as of today, the only non-retarded incarnation of that concept yet built
963977;1420315295;ascii_modem;with the possible exception of its immediate ancestor, 'flavours'
963978;1420315342;ascii_modem;see classic text 'art of the metaobject protocol'
963979;1420315425;ascii_modem;clos was not conceived by or for semiliterate labourers, like other 'object' systems
963980;1420315455;ascii_modem;but by and for folks occasionally working in difficult domains where no other model fits
963981;1420315474;ascii_modem;e.g. 'cad'
963982;1420316657;*;kakobrekla added 'show more' under 'latest comments' and 'latest bets placed' on front page of bitbet.
963983;1420317318;BingoBoingo;http://dpaste.com/24NMBFT
963984;1420317319;assbot;dpaste: 24NMBFT ... ( http://bit.ly/14kYDTq )
963985;1420318113;mircea_popescu;not bad kakobrekla
963986;1420318204;ben_vulpes;asciilifeform, ascii_modem: i'll get to know it eventually. only now beginning to dabble with McCLIM at gabriel_laddel's suggestion.
963987;1420318214;ben_vulpes;for now, none of my problem domains need modeling with any sort of "objects".
963988;1420318216;mircea_popescu;heh, the problem with the f-35 isn't "stealth"
963989;1420318223;mircea_popescu;the problem with the f35 is the usg.
963990;1420318242;ben_vulpes;"stealth" aircraft is a straight up retarded concept.
963991;1420318252;mircea_popescu;this constant trying to unload blame for very personal, very peculiar, very speciffic and very narrow incompetence and idiocy on facts of math, physics and the world generally is ridoinculous.
963992;1420318264;ben_vulpes;"that 2x2 thing up at 30kft moving at mach 1.8 couldn't *possibly* be an airplane!"
963993;1420318267;mircea_popescu;the problem of f-35 is "transgender rights" and "women in tech" and "check your priviledge"
963994;1420318270;mircea_popescu;not stealth.
963995;1420318309;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes the discussion can't possibly reach those merits,
963996;1420318313;mircea_popescu;because it dies much earlier on.
963997;1420318350;ben_vulpes;come now, the obsession with stealth is a great indicator of how moronic US armsmithing's become.
963998;1420318374;BingoBoingo;<ben_vulpes> "that 2x2 thing up at 30kft moving at mach 1.8 couldn't *possibly* be an airplane!" << I though it couldn't get anywhere near that fast because it is too fat.
963999;1420318404;ben_vulpes;BingoBoingo: the point is that "stealth" merely reduces the cross section, doesn't render things invisible.
964000;1420318413;ben_vulpes;"could it be a UFO, boss?"
964001;1420318418;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes this is true, but i'd state it like this :
964002;1420318444;mircea_popescu;air war is by its nature an attrition war. airplanes are made to be destroyed, fundamentally.
964003;1420318468;mircea_popescu;this plain fact meeting the us' unwillingness to actually fight created a mirage : the jet fighter that's not really a jet fighter
964004;1420318480;ben_vulpes;ha that's an amusing point.
964005;1420318481;mircea_popescu;in this sense, like the flying submarine or the pocket tank, it's pure nonsense.
964006;1420318524;mircea_popescu;the correct focus, when it comes to airfight, is cheapness. as the germans well proved, and then the allies well learned from them.
964007;1420318547;ben_vulpes;let's not forget the nips.
964008;1420318549;mircea_popescu;but to be a warlike country that'd require warlike men. and that is not something the current us can support.
964009;1420318558;*;mircea_popescu is asia-ignorant.
964010;1420318563;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20424 @ 0.00056694 = 11.5792 BTC [-] {2} 
964011;1420318569;ben_vulpes;bamboo suicide planes, the stories hold.
964012;1420318580;*;ben_vulpes is no wwii japanese historian either
964013;1420318585;ben_vulpes;but!
964014;1420318588;mircea_popescu;lol
964015;1420318619;ben_vulpes;the limit of this curve has some interesting hints for the future of air combat.
964016;1420318640;mircea_popescu;incidentally, the most successful airstrike in human history
964017;1420318648;mircea_popescu;was carried out by men that didn't even own the fucking plane they used.
964018;1420318663;mircea_popescu;rented fucking aircraft! BY THE SEAT!
964019;1420318672;ben_vulpes;unmanned vehicles can pull arbitrary g loads, and be made across the spectrum of capability in a way that the manned vehicles currently aren't (probably couldn't be, due to procurement processes).
964020;1420318694;mircea_popescu;it's where they're trying to go with the drones neh ?
964021;1420318702;ben_vulpes;usg?
964022;1420318704;mircea_popescu;ya
964023;1420318711;mircea_popescu;well, everyone with a drone program
964024;1420318712;ben_vulpes;usg seems to be going out of its way to avoid anything smart with drones.
964025;1420318716;mircea_popescu;usg, china, russia, korea, etc
964026;1420318743;ben_vulpes;going so far as to build planes and fleets purpose designed to be vulnerable to swarm attacks.,
964027;1420318772;mircea_popescu;no argument there.
964028;1420318783;mircea_popescu;"oh, nobody'd dare sink an aircraft carrier."
964029;1420318812;mircea_popescu;sort-of like the misbehaving nerd who imagines his school experience is life experience. "oh, he wouldn't REALLY punch me in the face."
964030;1420318921;ben_vulpes;http://qntra.net/2015/01/espn-sold-their-bitcoins/ << purchaser of the contract is nowhere to be found lol
964031;1420318922;assbot;ESPN Sold Their Bitcoins | Qntra.net ... ( http://bit.ly/14l1CLq )
964032;1420319006;ben_vulpes;!up t
964033;1420319044;ben_vulpes;!up ben_vulpes
964034;1420319059;ben_vulpes;kakobrekla: amidoinitrong?
964035;1420319093;mircea_popescu;it voices neh ?
964036;1420319099;ben_vulpes;<ascii_modem> [19:31:50] these are not convertible to btc except via humiliating pederast temples << lol i love this routine
964037;1420319112;ben_vulpes;"no u guise seriously i do everything the way lizard hitler insists"
964038;1420319130;ben_vulpes;mircea_popescu: hm mebbe i'm not seeing mode changes.
964039;1420319164;mircea_popescu;kakobrekla did you break the 30 minute thing ?
964040;1420319198;kakobrekla;[22:03:26] <ben_vulpes> !up t
964041;1420319198;kakobrekla;[22:03:28] * assbot gives voice to t
964042;1420319198;kakobrekla;[22:04:05] <ben_vulpes> !up ben_vulpes
964043;1420319198;kakobrekla;[22:04:12] * assbot gives voice to ben_vulpes
964044;1420319201;kakobrekla;?
964045;1420319218;ben_vulpes;!down mircea_popescu
964046;1420319221;kakobrekla;yeah you voiced yourself so you are a faggot but nothing else.
964047;1420319228;t;so, what's bitcoin-assets all about then?
964048;1420319236;ben_vulpes;;;ping
964049;1420319236;gribble;pong
964050;1420319240;ben_vulpes;derp
964051;1420319243;ben_vulpes;!t m butts
964052;1420319243;assbot;How can I be of assistance, my poor man?
964053;1420319247;mircea_popescu;;;google bitcoin assets rules and regulations
964054;1420319248;gribble;IRS Notice 2014-21 - Internal Revenue Service: <http://www.irs.gov/pub/irs-drop/n-14-21.pdf>; New York Proposes Bitcoin Regulations | Money.com - Time: <http://time.com/money/3004751/new-york-bitcoin-regulations-benjamin-lawsky/>; Proposed New York Codes, Rules and Regulations - Department of ...: <http://www.dfs.ny.gov/about/press2014/pr1407171-vc.pdf>
964055;1420319253;mircea_popescu;mehj google.
964056;1420319256;kakobrekla;irs lol.
964057;1420319265;mircea_popescu;all teh wanna-bes!
964058;1420319274;mircea_popescu;t http://trilema.com/2013/bitcoin-assets-rules-and-regulations/
964059;1420319275;assbot;#bitcoin-assets rules and regulations pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.  ... ( http://bit.ly/14BP426 )
964060;1420319275;ben_vulpes;clearly google is oppressing you.
964061;1420319313;ben_vulpes;t: cryptoanarchy
964062;1420319342;t;which is?
964063;1420319361;ben_vulpes;cryptoautarky?
964064;1420319366;decimation;ascii_modem: ephialtes doesnt care abou straightening own back - knows it's a fantasy - but happy to turn everyone else into hunchback. << "There is, in fact, a manly and lawful passion for equality which excites men to wish all to be powerful and honoured. This passion tends to elevate the humble to the rank of the great; but there exists also in the human heart a depraved taste for equality, which impels the weak to attempt to
964065;1420319368;decimation;lower the powerful to their own level, and reduces men to prefer equality in slavery to inequality with freedom." - de Tocqueville
964066;1420319373;ben_vulpes;whatever one makes of it, t.
964067;1420319382;t;ben_vulpes: so what's the channel for?
964068;1420319396;ben_vulpes;mostly cult self-affirmation.
964069;1420319405;ben_vulpes;it's one of the more fun nodes in the bitcoin arg.
964070;1420319417;ben_vulpes;you too can slay grues!
964071;1420319469;ben_vulpes;!up ascii_modem
964072;1420319483;ascii_modem;danke ben_vulpes
964073;1420319499;ascii_modem;also plz explain re: herr hitler
964074;1420319501;t;people keep turning up complaining guys here are ddosing them, so what's going on with that?
964075;1420319534;ben_vulpes;t: well for a while anyone without a cloak got ddossed.
964076;1420319536;mircea_popescu;t let me find you the relevant discussion in #freenode.
964077;1420319537;ben_vulpes;pretty simple.
964078;1420319560;ascii_modem;one of the idlers is a vandalbot
964079;1420319572;kakobrekla;(was afiak)
964080;1420319581;t;ben_vulpes: oh, who does that?
964081;1420319585;ben_vulpes;t: any chance you can make freenode autocloak people? i don't see the value in exposing everyone's IPs.
964082;1420319594;ben_vulpes;t: how would we find out?
964083;1420319612;mircea_popescu;http://pastebin.com/UQbbXRcR
964084;1420319613;assbot;**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Thu Nov 27 20:22:50 2014    Nov 27 20:22:50 *Now talking  - Pastebin.com ... ( http://bit.ly/14l2Y9b )
964085;1420319613;t;dunno, depends on who's involved etc.
964086;1420319613;ben_vulpes;aside from experimentally kicking everyone one at a time, logging in and finding the culprit.
964087;1420319619;mircea_popescu;t there yu go ^
964088;1420319650;kakobrekla;t: http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=fivezerotwo
964089;1420319651;assbot;199 results for 'fivezerotwo' - #bitcoin-assets search
964090;1420319722;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8892 @ 0.00055352 = 4.9219 BTC [-]
964091;1420319743;mircea_popescu;;;tslb
964092;1420319749;decimation;re: air war attrition << manned aircraft are on the way out anyway, with proper secure comms and a decent AI, a robot army of aircraft makes more sense
964093;1420319750;gribble;Time since last block: 3 minutes and 4 seconds
964094;1420319768;mircea_popescu;decimation is this "proper secure comms" thing like the holy sacrament ?
964095;1420319796;decimation;well, that's the obvious weak spot in a remote control aircraft
964096;1420319805;ascii_modem;the whole robot war thing -only- 'works' for usg or similar vs unarmed or max iron age folks
964097;1420319823;ascii_modem;jamming is easy & cheap
964098;1420319842;decimation;exactly, thus 'proper secure comms'.
964099;1420319875;ascii_modem;using what magical unjammable wave.
964100;1420319876;mircea_popescu;t incidentally, how recent are these complains ? vandal seems to have moved on maybe a week or two ago.
964101;1420319902;mircea_popescu;ascii_modem well, maybe they make the fighter-bombers of the future work on love.
964102;1420319912;decimation;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=30-12-2014#961834
964103;1420319912;assbot;Logged on 30-12-2014 04:51:09; asciilifeform: basic rules include: 1) don't be a loud, solitary point source. anywhere. ever. 2) spread spectrum, frequency hop, cryptographically driven 3) steganographically mix into existing spectrum garbage.
964104;1420319929;decimation;!ping assbot
964105;1420319940;ascii_modem;^ inapplicable to realtime
964106;1420319953;ascii_modem;this is an essential lesson btw
964107;1420319963;decimation;ascii_modem: true.  that's why ideally your robot plane ought to be able to operate without comms to the greatest extent possible
964108;1420319967;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5027 @ 0.00055352 = 2.7825 BTC [-]
964109;1420319974;mircea_popescu;could it bake me a pie /
964110;1420319981;ascii_modem;ai soldier - aha
964111;1420320020;decimation;well, the problem ai planes & ai soldiers is that the poorly wrought heuristics that went into the design would quickly be learned and exploited by the enemy
964112;1420320039;ascii_modem;'yes master: i shall bake you, a pie'
964113;1420320103;mircea_popescu;"A woman without her man is nothing had an infinite number of arms"
964114;1420320122;decimation;I would grant that it is likely that if the us went to war against someone who would be willing & able to shoot down satellites then the us would find itself suddenly back into an air attrition war with human-piloted planes
964115;1420320155;decimation;in which case, it would make a hell of alot more sense for the us to be stamping out thousands of f-16s for each 1 f-35
964116;1420320166;mircea_popescu;what the hell is this war planning where "willing and able" are ifs on the part of the enemy ?
964117;1420320207;ascii_modem;usg presently has no enemy armies, only recalcitrant muppets
964118;1420320218;mircea_popescu;you discussing reality or fantasy ?
964119;1420320223;ascii_modem;for them these are made
964120;1420320224;decimation;it does seem that the us generally puts much weight on 'but they would never do that' in its foreign strategy
964121;1420320238;ascii_modem;rephantasality
964122;1420320241;mircea_popescu;not only are there ~3 armies it could never touch, but it's getting humiliated on a regular basis by the orks in the desert.
964123;1420320252;ascii_modem;as seen by the patients
964124;1420320271;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 38100 @ 0.00058803 = 22.4039 BTC [+]
964125;1420320287;mircea_popescu;watch us foreign policy around china and you'll get a pretty good idea of how the war'd go. according to both parties.
964126;1420320298;decimation;re: orcs in the desert << the us could roll them over in about 2 days if the us were willing to commit the men & willing to actually fight to win
964127;1420320315;decimation;but the us is not so willing.
964128;1420320333;mircea_popescu;by the way : i've been reading chinese magazines, in the sense of looking at the pictures.
964129;1420320333;ascii_modem;this is like supposing that exterminators are enemies of roaches
964130;1420320342;mircea_popescu;you should see how obama is depicted in chinese mags.
964131;1420320345;ascii_modem;in reality - best friends
964132;1420320353;mircea_popescu;decimation could not.
964133;1420320367;mircea_popescu;the us is not the us of vietnam era, when what you say was probably true.
964134;1420320378;mircea_popescu;the us does not contain enough men today.
964135;1420320412;mircea_popescu;ascii_modem i've not seen many exterminators scurrying to scuttle their embassy or anything like that.
964136;1420320426;ascii_modem;eh it can always form a dirlewanger battallion.
964137;1420320426;decimation;I don't agree.  there are plenty of men, but none of them would be willing to give up their lives to further the cause of the transgendered in syria
964138;1420320470;mircea_popescu;decimation seems a distinction without a difference in the context.
964139;1420320498;decimation;if in the sense of 'have, but can't use', I agree
964140;1420320507;ascii_modem;( those unfamiliar with herr dirlewanger - srraight
964141;1420320507;mircea_popescu;anyway, this discussion readily reduces to stuff typified by like... tom sawyer
964142;1420320512;mircea_popescu;"i could if i wanted to" etc.
964143;1420320516;ascii_modem;to librraryg
964144;1420320526;ascii_modem;lookhimup, its worth it
964145;1420320588;mircea_popescu;is this the guy that got beaten to death by teh frenchies ?
964146;1420320594;ascii_modem;him
964147;1420320605;ascii_modem;it was poles iirc
964148;1420320639;decimation;ascii_modem: lol he was too much for the SS colonels
964149;1420320664;ascii_modem;made'em upchuck aye
964150;1420320720;decimation;well, from the press reports, he seems to be the model that isis is using on their side of the war (wrt random brutality), and it seems to be working for them
964151;1420320796;ascii_modem;part of a balanced ( empire-building ) diet.
964152;1420320796;mircea_popescu;decimation kinda what leads to my "no men" statements. brutality only works on certain types.
964153;1420320869;decimation;!up t
964154;1420321905;mircea_popescu;;;tslb
964155;1420321912;gribble;Time since last block: 7 minutes and 32 seconds
964156;1420321932;thestringpuller;;;bc,stats
964157;1420321938;gribble;Current Blocks: 337341 | Current Difficulty: 4.064095501657649E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 338687 | Next Difficulty In: 1346 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 1 day, 7 hours, 24 minutes, and 26 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 45911296618.4 | Estimated Percent Change: 12.96806
964158;1420321953;thestringpuller;damn
964159;1420321955;thestringpuller;I need to buy coins
964160;1420321965;thestringpuller;it's not on the schedule tho :(
964161;1420321979;mircea_popescu;davout: who decided, and why, that the contents should be gpg signed ? << oh for cryssakes it was in the log like 20 times.
964162;1420322055;thestringpuller;what's this storj thing?
964163;1420322061;thestringpuller;another ycombinator thing?
964164;1420322113;mircea_popescu;well, the most encrypted cloud storage.
964165;1420322133;mircea_popescu;i was waiting for that absolute becoming comparable at the hands of the internet busineseers.
964166;1420322173;thestringpuller;sounds a lot like incentivized torrents
964167;1420322260;thestringpuller;just /w encryption
964168;1420322284;thestringpuller;couldn't you get same effect by spinning up a bunch of AWS instances and storing data encrypted with GPG key?
964169;1420322294;mircea_popescu;https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/2qg8ki/satoshi_nakamoto_institute_launch_podcast_first/cn5y2ue << i lolled
964170;1420322296;assbot;cazalla662 comments on Satoshi Nakamoto Institute Launch Podcast (First episode linked: Appcoins and Bitcoin Maximalism from Daniel Krawisz and Michael Goldstein) ... ( http://bit.ly/1AqAWFi )
964171;1420322357;thestringpuller;"I keep seeing rabbits."
964172;1420322468;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 51 @ 0.06143919 = 3.1334 BTC [-] {11} 
964173;1420322655;kakobrekla;lol https://hashtalk.org/topic/27529/30-days-of-transparent-questions-and-answers/1
964174;1420322656;assbot;HashTalk - Ideas, Talk, and Hardware - Bitcoin & Scrypt Mining ... ( http://bit.ly/1AqBFWM )
964175;1420322662;mircea_popescu;t anyway, since you seem to be pretty much the balance of still active freenode staff : rather than wasting time on this nonsense of some kid that thinks banal netbios ddos makes him a wizard (which i think has outlived its charm anyway)
964176;1420322677;mircea_popescu;how about we do something useful. it's been... about a year or so i've been trying to set yu people up with servers.
964177;1420322760;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=26-12-2014#960826 hahaha pretty epic.
964178;1420322760;assbot;Logged on 26-12-2014 19:13:33; asciilifeform: 'For us as the Reserve Bank... ...we'll have to figure out how we make money because the way we generate most of our revenue is through forms of seigniorage, people are willing to hold currency free of interest and that's how we make money...'
964179;1420322946;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=26-12-2014#960841 << or, for that matter, eskimo bob. he had that good dose of very angry ready to explode stalker. rob viragh is much more of a dribble, kinda difficult to distinguish from the "michael kors backpacks" flowing mindlessly every which way on the internet.
964180;1420322946;assbot;Logged on 26-12-2014 19:20:38; ben_vulpes: if only tiberius were still with us. now *that* was some trolling.
964181;1420323122;mircea_popescu;hm, from asciilifeform's naggum link. "The moralist would not _be_ a moralist if he were willing to abide by and obey the rules he thinks that other people should follow."
964182;1420323133;mircea_popescu;i guess i can't be a moralist now ?!
964183;1420323444;mircea_popescu;re the "turned their nose, mainly on account of these pieces", there is something in there i can see as well. it could be reduced to mere bad writing, but otherwise there's this recursive insistence on boring, banal shit that gives the impression the guy's not quite... you know, queenheaded.
964184;1420323506;mircea_popescu;"Why do you need to have this pointed out in public after you demonstrate again and again that you do not understand what you are saying, cannot do what you say "is not option", and continue to blame others for your behavior?" could have been removed without loss, for instance. parsimony is a great approach, especially when dealing with idiots.
964185;1420324941;thestringpuller;!up jordandotdev
964186;1420325085;mircea_popescu;"You need to learn an important lesson and it will not be complete until you are completely humiliated -- or you figure out that what you have done is so bad and stupid that you simply leave us alone until the shame wears off." << surprising naggum never made the next logical step into bdsm.
964187;1420325264;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform https://twitter.com/LizardMafia/status/548523618901454848 << i'm kinda curious, do you feel responsible for the naming convention ?
964188;1420325266;assbot;All your onions are belong to us.
964189;1420325323;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes: what does it mean to bitcoinate? << download and verify blocks, create and broadcast blocks which are in turn verified.
964190;1420325331;mircea_popescu;meh.
964191;1420325340;mircea_popescu;download and verify blocks, create and broadcast txn which are included in blocks.
964192;1420325380;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform's "whatsoever" sucks, not least of all because it creates hole for various gnomes to shoehorn their stuff in
964193;1420325417;mircea_popescu;!up ascii_modem
964194;1420325440;ascii_modem;danke
964195;1420325455;ascii_modem;lizards << credit d. icke
964196;1420325472;mircea_popescu;cazalla: well, that didn't take long.. bitcoinfoundation.org has redesigned their website yet again <<< gotta do something...
964197;1420325473;ascii_modem;afaik he wrote the basic picture
964198;1420325487;mircea_popescu;!s lizard
964199;1420325488;assbot;86 results for 'lizard' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=lizard
964200;1420325492;ascii_modem;what was this 'wharsoever' i firget
964201;1420325513;mircea_popescu;ascii_modem http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=26-12-2014#960878
964202;1420325513;assbot;Logged on 26-12-2014 19:57:06; ben_vulpes: a philosophical question
964203;1420325535;ascii_modem;aha right
964204;1420325551;ascii_modem;was a sloppy bit of work
964205;1420325604;mircea_popescu;im fucking excited to see these guy's monthly report for dec or jan or whenever's next
964206;1420325613;mircea_popescu;this hasn't happened to me in bitcoin before.
964207;1420325614;ascii_modem;gnomery is a cadre problem ( is right word ? )
964208;1420325644;mircea_popescu;ascii_modem much like pestilence is a hygiene problem. sure, it is. doesn't hurt having smooth surfaces tho.
964209;1420325732;mircea_popescu;*: decimation thinks that time horizon has already been reached <<< pretty much. i dun know any great programmers that want to go to the us. i know some great progreammers stuck i nthere that haven't yet figured that yes, they can leave
964210;1420325737;mircea_popescu;but for however long that lasts.
964211;1420325761;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 1550 @ 0.00080543 = 1.2484 BTC [+] {5} 
964212;1420325781;ascii_modem;aha, recall naggum's picture of 'thriving perl ecosystem' as, iirc, a carcass in the sun alive with vermin
964213;1420325809;mircea_popescu;yet perl outlived him.
964214;1420325841;mircea_popescu;such an improbable feat, that, if you think of it. most of the bad languages i met in my adolescence are dead and im not even old yet!
964215;1420325872;ascii_modem;vermin proverbially outlive damn near everything
964216;1420325935;mircea_popescu;haha i guess that's by definition huh
964217;1420325998;ascii_modem;perl and the like cannot really die; the human folly that makes them irresistible for some folks - is immortal
964218;1420326030;ascii_modem;!s new jersey approach
964219;1420326031;assbot;1 results for 'new jersey approach' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=new+jersey+approach
964220;1420326066;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10126 @ 0.00061569 = 6.2345 BTC [+]
964221;1420326069;mircea_popescu;"The anti-immigration people have to invent some explanation to account for all the effort technology companies have expended trying to make immigration easier. "
964222;1420326071;mircea_popescu;wait... wut ?!
964223;1420326090;mircea_popescu;and i have to invent some explanation to account for all the effort libtards have put into trying to break down functional society ?
964224;1420326114;mircea_popescu;"So they claim it's because they want to drive down salaries. But if you talk to startups, you find practically every one over a certain size has gone through legal contortions to get programmers into the US, where they then paid them the same as they'd have paid an American. Why would they go to extra trouble to get programmers for the same price? "
964225;1420326130;mircea_popescu;either this guy is dumb or the most bald faced scammer ever. seriously, that's how prices work ?
964226;1420326164;ascii_modem;scamz0r
964227;1420326176;ascii_modem;but dips into own stash
964228;1420326211;mircea_popescu;kinda, ya.
964229;1420326229;mircea_popescu;i find it fascinating just how willing to insult their audience these people are.
964230;1420326241;ascii_modem;the bugger knows well from what countries they bring the coolies, and why
964231;1420326247;mircea_popescu;i mean, the written output of the bezzle world is not about convincing, or for that matter even fooling mp.
964232;1420326272;ascii_modem;largely it is the croak if frogs
964233;1420326274;mircea_popescu;but there are these people in the middle, who either because they're young, or because they're marginally educated, or marginally intelligent, don't really find themselves in a position of serene immunity.
964234;1420326276;ascii_modem;of
964235;1420326293;ascii_modem;there is no 'why' for it
964236;1420326300;mircea_popescu;yet they do understand enough of you know, basic arithmetic and thermodynamics to see that a "same price" argument is pure nonsense.
964237;1420326306;mircea_popescu;yet graham doth not care. not on wit.
964238;1420326321;mircea_popescu;how about that one kid who worships him for whatever dumb kid reason, who suddenly looks up from that page and thinks...
964239;1420326334;mircea_popescu;but wait! if they didn't pay "the same price" for an immigrant, they'd have to pay a higher price for a local
964240;1420326345;mircea_popescu;which you know they were recently convicted for criminally colluding not to do.
964241;1420326350;mircea_popescu;so... same price ? no same price.
964242;1420326377;mircea_popescu;does this guy have not the slightest moral compunction about that one kid ? because why, because 5 million mouthbreathers that wouldn't read him anyway wouldn't see it in a million years ?
964243;1420326393;mircea_popescu;what fucking sense does this even begin to make! who's graham loyal to, where's his flag flying ?
964244;1420326424;ascii_modem;this is not how the kids in question work. whatever saint craps out - gospel. if patent nonsense: test of faith!
964245;1420326436;mircea_popescu;no wai dude.
964246;1420326449;mircea_popescu;bear in mind that i have the advantage of very deep intimacy with people that age
964247;1420326454;ascii_modem;see mr spam.
964248;1420326457;mircea_popescu;mostly female, but representative.
964249;1420326465;mircea_popescu;mr spam meets neither qualification.
964250;1420326467;mircea_popescu;!up null123
964251;1420326468;ascii_modem;representative?!
964252;1420326492;mircea_popescu;yes.
964253;1420326592;ascii_modem;until kid 'sets bozo bit' on his 'sensei', he will assume, at any juncture where he finds himself lost, that - his own fault
964254;1420326597;ascii_modem;no?
964255;1420326670;ascii_modem;and setting bozo bit on the fellow who convincingly plays the part of your only ticket out of hell - is psychologically expensive
964256;1420326758;ascii_modem;pg's flunkies believe that they shall be rewarded in this life.
964257;1420326881;mircea_popescu;not that simple
964258;1420326897;mircea_popescu;i mean yeah that's how it works for the retarded, 75 to 90 iq
964259;1420326910;mircea_popescu;but people in the 120 and over range tend to wish to followalong at home
964260;1420326982;cazalla;mircea_popescu, dja mean qntra or gaw has been largely ignored ? <<< i meant qntra but it was like the 2nd post i made so sorta makes sense not many people read it
964261;1420327002;ascii_modem;hell, people still read thomas aquinas etc
964262;1420327013;mircea_popescu;im one of those people.
964263;1420327035;ascii_modem;s/read/swallow
964264;1420327050;ascii_modem;(we all read)
964265;1420327091;ben_vulpes;<ascii_modem> perl and the like cannot really die; the human folly that makes them irresistible for some folks - is immortal << not to mention at the heart of so many terminals.
964266;1420327101;ben_vulpes;subject of terminals, may i ask what terminal you use, asciilifeform?
964267;1420327103;ascii_modem;bad example? think of every 'intellectual narcotic' or whatever folks call it now
964268;1420327123;ascii_modem;ben_vulpes: xterm
964269;1420327151;ascii_modem;with some decrufting
964270;1420327169;ascii_modem;and solely in 'ratpoison'
964271;1420327202;ben_vulpes;xterm, eh?
964272;1420327214;ascii_modem;ben_vulpes: if you were thinking of physical glass tty - sadly i no longer own one
964273;1420327223;ben_vulpes;lolno, even my dreams aren't that grand.
964274;1420327233;ben_vulpes;oh! and subject of ratpoison, did you evaluate and reject stumpwm at some point?
964275;1420327591;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 20 @ 0.06498499 = 1.2997 BTC [+] {5} 
964276;1420328298;mircea_popescu;xterm is actually a little unsung hero
964277;1420328690;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform: anyone wanting to hire 30 inventors needs his head checked <<< and what could you do for them ?
964278;1420328693;mircea_popescu;and how'd you survive ?
964279;1420328752;mircea_popescu;Apocalyptic: asciilifeform, do you define inventor as someone who has invented something before ? << i define inventor as someone who is a) intelligent and b) completely contemptuous of rules.
964280;1420328762;mircea_popescu;what common people have historically called a psychopath.
964281;1420328875;ben_vulpes;xterm, huh?
964282;1420328945;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes: the notion that an order once placed must live on until filled is pretty lulzy <<< that's not what's going on there.
964283;1420328968;mircea_popescu;they actually have a point, albeit a finnicky one and meanwhile the world fell from under the sort of place where such;d be entertained.
964284;1420329054;ben_vulpes;the point being that one shouldn't be allowed to fire off an order and then immediately its cancellation just to see the market response?
964285;1420329092;mircea_popescu;the point being that the chair you stand on is only solid in the sense that the wavelength is so tiny you don't have the time to fall through, because your time's quantisized.
964286;1420329113;mircea_popescu;in the exact same manner, if you allow them to oscillate narrowly enough, you break the concept of volume
964287;1420329132;mircea_popescu;and it's not clear (but altogether probable that no) whether the concept of exchange works without volume.
964288;1420329169;ben_vulpes;how'd we do things before the nasdaq?
964289;1420329184;ben_vulpes;daily computations of volume?
964290;1420329199;mircea_popescu;they never had the problem
964291;1420329210;mircea_popescu;because it wasn't technically possible to create oscillators good enough.
964292;1420329280;ben_vulpes;hm.
964293;1420329291;*;ben_vulpes takes some time to think
964294;1420329297;mircea_popescu;anyway. it'd have been a point in a world pre qe. by now it's like discussing the sow's pubic hairdo.
964295;1420329425;mircea_popescu;www.sonicfitness.com/cache/uggs.php?uggs=ugg-bottes-pas-cher-france.php << caches.
964296;1420329665;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 1500 @ 0.00077152 = 1.1573 BTC [-] {8} 
964297;1420329769;Apocalyptic;mircea_popescu, I see, so not the very sort graham would like to hire
964298;1420329797;mircea_popescu;well... the sort he claims he wants to hire, but then ends up with perople like altman
964299;1420329808;mircea_popescu;in all respects the exact opposite (no intelligence, all rulebook)
964300;1420330219;mircea_popescu;"assbot: Wealth: The Toxic Byproduct | Melting Asphalt " << bwahaha ok.
964301;1420330263;mircea_popescu;The piece is a thinking man's struggle to understand the value of his profession. By Somers' own reckoning, his accounts are out of balance. He's paid handsomely, but the work is trivial. As he says:
964302;1420330263;mircea_popescu;Most of what we�re doing, in fact, is putting boxes on a page.... We fill our days with the humdrum upkeep of these boxes: we change the colours; we add a link to let you edit some text; we track how far you scroll down the page.... Web development is more like plumbing than any of us, perched in front of two slick monitors, would care to admit.
964303;1420330263;mircea_popescu;Somers' anguish is palpable, and his catalogue of self-effacing remarks reads like an apology. He heaps criticism on himself, his job, and his entire profession. "Web start-up companies are like play-companies," he laments. Their products are "cheap, fun, and about as worldchanging as creating a new variation on beer pong."
964304;1420330276;mircea_popescu;and incidentally, we have "inventors" defined, if anyone's still curious.
964305;1420330284;mircea_popescu;they "create" a new variation on beer pong.
964306;1420330323;mircea_popescu;need to keep importing new turnips because the citizen turnips are too likely to understand harlan ellison ranting in his native tongue.
964307;1420331008;[]bot;Bet placed: 5 BTC for No on "Bitcoin to surpass Berkshire as an investment" http://bitbet.us/bet/786/ Odds: 28(Y):72(N) by coin, 46(Y):54(N) by weight. Total bet: 4050.54501946 BTC. Current weight: 12,517.
964308;1420331227;mircea_popescu;"Assume you can only pass two things through the window � francs and sacks of grain. Knowing that the Congo is one of the poorest countries on the planet, what strategy will you pursue in order to do the most good for their society?"
964309;1420331231;mircea_popescu;fucking retards these people.
964310;1420331294;mircea_popescu;adlai: this article is more thought-provoking than most drugs out there << no, it's not thought provoking.
964311;1420331322;mircea_popescu;that article is the exact equivalent of masturbation, intellectually : it contains nothing that can even remotely be considered a thought, while keeping the mind spinning.
964312;1420331368;mircea_popescu;if you must participate in the empty calorie fest of religion, at least pick something respectable rather than the neo-neo-protestant bullshit made by people that are not even less intelligent than that smith fellow with the "ancient egyptian" tablets at the bottom of his hat
964313;1420331379;mircea_popescu;but much less well read to boot.
964314;1420331478;mircea_popescu;i doubt anyone could have imagined in the xixth century that anythign less intelligent than us neoprotestantism could be borne by the world. and yet... they've done it again.
964315;1420331651;decimation;mircea_popescu: once folks have eliminated all possibility of the supernatural, they gotta worship something, why not the local market?
964316;1420331663;mircea_popescu;you can't worship a thing that exists.
964317;1420331692;mircea_popescu;if you're going to live in a house, it's generally a better idea to get a house than cobble together something which, to the best of your abilities, is a house.
964318;1420331712;mircea_popescu;and if you're going to worship, pick something that's at least as well designed as reality permits
964319;1420331771;mircea_popescu;but no, this never-ending american exceptionalism, where if they never wash baths don't exist and joe squarejaw invented "humidification", this process whereby you dab parts of yourself with a wet cloth.
964320;1420331787;mircea_popescu;also known as a whore bath in the rest of the world, except joe squarejaw has never heard of the rest of the world.
964321;1420331919;decimation;yeah, america has a pretty strong tradition of 'history doesn't matter, the world is getting better, we are an outpost of the future, etc'
964322;1420331979;mircea_popescu;"You begin to wonder if you should feel guilty taking all this money from the poor Congolese � who are now (you must conclude) even poorer as a result." << because that's what money is, right ? a fetish.
964323;1420332002;mircea_popescu;if someone sent 10mn btc to the black hole, we'll all be even poorer as a result. because reasons.
964324;1420332008;mircea_popescu;and larger amounts of number.
964325;1420332038;mircea_popescu;and velocity of money never happened. and understanding consists of daydreaming, and everyone's the same and random nitwits that never killed a man are now allowed to make moral judgements
964326;1420332050;mircea_popescu;ima go stomp kittens, this shit's too much.
964327;1420332096;decimation;yeah I read it as pure narcissism masquerading as ideas
964328;1420332470;mircea_popescu;some years ago i went to timisoara, which is a tiny city in eastern europe, and fancies itself important but really it's a sort of romania's pittsburgh.
964329;1420332488;mircea_popescu;then some time last year i left.
964330;1420332518;mircea_popescu;by this logic, seeing how the total value of all assets in that city is probably south of a billion dollars, my leaving constituted a loss of more than half its wealth
964331;1420332539;mircea_popescu;and i should perhaps feel bad, because whatever, if you have money it's not your money. it's some other dudes'.
964332;1420332572;mircea_popescu;just like that, they happened to be in the way. because wealth is a sort of rain.
964333;1420332574;decimation;the god of market morality said so
964334;1420332661;mircea_popescu;let us not get into shape but instead sit on the couch and wax poetic about what men should be doing and what the definition of womanhood is ; let us not have a clue nor try to get a clue, but instead wax poetic on what money is and what other people should be doing with it and what it all means.
964335;1420332674;mircea_popescu;im so sick of the civilisation of marauding impotence it can scarcely be put into words.
964336;1420332690;mircea_popescu;"come be fat and stupid just like us, 54965489769474985 people like this"
964337;1420332926;[]bot;Bet placed: 1 BTC for No on "Bitcoin to surpass Berkshire as an investment" http://bitbet.us/bet/786/ Odds: 28(Y):72(N) by coin, 46(Y):54(N) by weight. Total bet: 4051.54501946 BTC. Current weight: 12,510.
964338;1420332962;decimation;http://i.imgur.com/TdaIiDp.jpg << one billion served
964339;1420332964;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1vJPWHR )
964340;1420333033;mircea_popescu;hahaha
964341;1420333080;decimation;http://pepijndevos.nl/2015/01/03/branch-free-fizzbuzz-in-assembly.html << ascii, mild amusement.  when one wants to implement something (algorithm without branches) suddenly there is no resort except bedrock
964342;1420333081;assbot;Branch-free FizzBuzz in Assembly - Wishful Coding ... ( http://bit.ly/1vJQjSC )
964343;1420333290;mircea_popescu;"Money soon became worthless. We returned to an exchange. For a tin can of tushonka (think Soviet spam), you could have a woman. (It is hard to speak of it, but it is true.) Most of the women who sold themselves were desperate mothers."
964344;1420333303;mircea_popescu;this actually is true. most of the desperate prostitution is mothers trying to cope.
964345;1420333325;mircea_popescu;apparently kids crying are annoying in general, but for that month it takes them to die of hunger...
964346;1420333458;cazalla;my experience with it is that there is nothing worse, i hear it even when it is quiet and the kid is asleep, it really gets into your brain
964347;1420333478;decimation;cazalla: I had the same experience last night, makes you paranoid
964348;1420333515;cazalla;decimation, that is why i sleep at the other end of the house for the past couple months now
964349;1420333534;decimation;lol wife is okay with that?
964350;1420333549;cazalla;never asked tbh
964351;1420333691;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12500 @ 0.00061874 = 7.7343 BTC [+] {2} 
964352;1420334972;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 191 @ 0.11012933 = 21.0347 BTC [-] {9} 
964353;1420335034;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2277 @ 0.00062396 = 1.4208 BTC [+]
964354;1420335576;mircea_popescu;!up zebedee
964355;1420335693;decimation;!up null123
964356;1420335809;decimation;!up null123_
964357;1420336264;decimation;!up warptangent
964358;1420336497;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12200 @ 0.00064116 = 7.8222 BTC [+]
964359;1420336802;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6650 @ 0.00064116 = 4.2637 BTC [+]
964360;1420337717;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10330 @ 0.00064102 = 6.6217 BTC [-]
964361;1420337766;cazalla;because aussie need a beer with their KFC http://www.smh.com.au/nsw/kfc-plan-to-sell-beer-cider-criticised-20150103-12h326.html
964362;1420337769;assbot;KFC plan to sell beer, cider criticised ... ( http://bit.ly/1tIAr91 )
964363;1420337778;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10300 @ 0.0006385 = 6.5766 BTC [-]
964364;1420338206;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19050 @ 0.00060727 = 11.5685 BTC [-]
964365;1420339589;ben_vulpes;wat
964366;1420339599;ben_vulpes;;;ping
964367;1420339599;gribble;pong
964368;1420339626;ben_vulpes;well this is exciting!
964369;1420339649;ben_vulpes;i'm going to read logs and then hopefully disconnect all of those errant connections. or just permaban myself! who can ever know with fleanode.
964370;1420340446;ben_vulpes;okay. back in biz.
964371;1420340643;decimation;;;ping
964372;1420340643;gribble;pong
964373;1420340767;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13550 @ 0.00064227 = 8.7028 BTC [+] {2} 
964374;1420342471;BingoBoingo;https://twitter.com/JorgeStolfi/status/551550993922801664
964375;1420342473;assbot;This is more entertaining than anything on TV right now
964376;1420342841;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12000 @ 0.00064565 = 7.7478 BTC [+]
964377;1420342961;BingoBoingo;Dramafount continues https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/2r9l72/a_message_from_gaw/
964378;1420342963;assbot;A message from GAW : Bitcoin ... ( http://bit.ly/1tAmrbH )
964379;1420343028;kakobrekla;aha they are getting paper btc
964380;1420343093;BingoBoingo;kakobrekla: Yeah Apparently Silbert's thing hasn't had withdrawals since August because paperwork
964381;1420343096;BingoBoingo;!up OGF
964382;1420343105;kakobrekla;pretty fucking sad.
964383;1420343114;OGF;Hi
964384;1420343123;BingoBoingo;Hello OGF
964385;1420343159;BingoBoingo;kakobrekla: Well... He probably had good intentions until the soldering iron found an uncomfortable place.
964386;1420343177;BingoBoingo;OGF: What brings you to these parts?
964387;1420343187;kakobrekla;idk if we believe in good intentions.
964388;1420343394;OGF;to discuss any assetclass investments :)
964389;1420343438;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo likely story.
964390;1420343473;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: Well, either way he goes in the agent pile
964391;1420343478;mircea_popescu;"Through time, action and change, I hope we can show you guys that we truly want to contribute to this community." lmao
964392;1420343542;mircea_popescu;;;google "come with a broken spirit! come with a contrite heart! Come in your rags and sin and dirt!"
964393;1420343544;gribble;Chapter 20: Page 3 - SparkNotes: <http://www.sparknotes.com/nofear/lit/huckleberry-finn/chapter-20/page_3.html>; The Adventures of Huckleberry Finn E-Text | CHAPTER XX ...: <http://www.gradesaver.com/the-adventures-of-huckleberry-finn/e-text/chapter-xx>; The Adventures of Huckleberry Finn by Mark Twain: <http://etc.usf.edu/lit2go/pdf/passage/162/the-adventures-of-huckleberry- (1 more message)
964394;1420343544;kakobrekla;one could argue that just like software, silbert was always broken, just only now encountered problematic input.
964395;1420343562;mircea_popescu;as clemens aptly points out, aunt polly is a sucker for the "repentant" sinner.
964396;1420343571;mircea_popescu;kakobrekla yes. one so argues.
964397;1420343614;mircea_popescu;decimation: kakobrekla: if your bosnia link is true, it strikes me that the most important thing to have in a 'shtf' situation is alot of people on 'your side': family, friends, etc <<< it's pretty accurate. there's no doubt in my mind the guy has first hand experience (ie, is not an internet poseur)
964398;1420343688;mircea_popescu;*: adlai wonders how many decades/centuries it'll take for speciation to start between "Homo operandus" and "Homo ignavus" << speciation takes 10s to 100s of ks of years.
964399;1420343768;mircea_popescu;adlai: fwiw, assuming that the fiat parasite sticks around in some form or other, i'd rather have it operate a single UBI program than dozens of badly-coordinated welfare axes << this is not unlike saying that if computer gaming sticks around, you'd rather it consists of one single game.
964400;1420343783;mircea_popescu;sure, maybe you'd rather. nobody involved shares this pov : neither the game devs nor the game players.
964401;1420343878;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4716 @ 0.00063024 = 2.9722 BTC [-]
964402;1420344105;mircea_popescu;kakobrekla: there is a school for that? <<< one of the best features of b-a is its potential for culture shock.
964403;1420344119;mircea_popescu;i don't think i've ever observed as much of it as since being here.
964404;1420344181;kakobrekla;cant wait for the bushmans to discover satnet
964405;1420344245;mircea_popescu;or for chelsea clinton to start selling nudes.
964406;1420344248;BingoBoingo;<kakobrekla> one could argue that just like software, silbert was always broken, just only now encountered problematic input. << Prolly should have tested him on Vax before releaseing him then
964407;1420344287;BingoBoingo;<kakobrekla> idk if we believe in good intentions. << Of course not, but it will probably be the myth lesser shitgnomes trot out.
964408;1420344359;mircea_popescu;http://call-signs.findthedata.com/l/436606/Eric-M-Kook-N1TTZ
964409;1420344361;assbot;N1TTZ Callsign - Eric M Kook ... ( http://bit.ly/1tAokoC )
964410;1420344367;mircea_popescu;apparently a lot of stuff is available on hams.
964411;1420344538;mircea_popescu;Overand: per bitcoin.it wiki, transactions are about 500bytes, running at 7tps, so that';s ~3500 bytes/sec or (humorously) 28,000 bits per second <<< not the right math. a block is at most 1mb and there's supposed to be 6 an hour.
964412;1420344544;mircea_popescu;;;calc 1 * 8 * 6 / 3600
964413;1420344545;gribble;0.0133333333333
964414;1420344549;mircea_popescu;133.3 kbps
964415;1420344646;mircea_popescu;decimation: 16 kHz is probably the max that you will get allocated politically << by the time blockchain over shortwave, "politically" strictly means bitcoin-assets anyway.
964416;1420344680;kakobrekla;lol
964417;1420344909;mircea_popescu;holy shit i made it to the 30th!
964418;1420344921;mircea_popescu;ONE DAY! ONE MAN! HIS COFFEE! TWO WEEKS!
964419;1420345473;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform: other than 'surrender' <<< actually jump into the pool. rather than just sit on the edge and dunk toes alternatively.
964420;1420345497;mircea_popescu;1. ministry of torrents.
964421;1420345520;mircea_popescu;2. political asylum to anyone prosecuted by any 5eyes country or their allies for anything that's not petty crime.
964422;1420345535;mircea_popescu;3. actually counterfitting bills. all of them. by the barge, not by the suitcase.
964423;1420345545;mircea_popescu;all the way to dumping into ocean, encased in plastic bubbles.
964424;1420345596;mircea_popescu;4. mandatory sex ed for all women. if you're not a vamp by age 16, you're pigfeed.
964425;1420345623;mircea_popescu;5. mandatory hacking classes for all men. if you can't hack your way out of fort knox by age 16, you're going to be some vamp's slaveboi.
964426;1420345632;mircea_popescu;that sorta thing.
964427;1420345673;mircea_popescu;have an explicit goal that half your population must reside abroad under fake identities by 2025.
964428;1420345682;mircea_popescu;basically... i'd be a jew.
964429;1420345692;mircea_popescu;(historically, not currently)
964430;1420346257;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6600 @ 0.00063024 = 4.1596 BTC [-]
964431;1420347000;BingoBoingo;!up badon
964432;1420347139;mod6;nice write-up on btcf BingoBoingo. thanks!
964433;1420347157;BingoBoingo;Thanks
964434;1420347294;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12150 @ 0.00062902 = 7.6426 BTC [-] {2} 
964435;1420348170;ben_vulpes;mircea_popescu: ministry of torrents?!
964436;1420349091;ben_vulpes;iff
964437;1420349107;mircea_popescu;;;ud iff
964438;1420349108;gribble;http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=IFF | i'm fucked foundation- I.F.F ...derived from the G.F.F, Grenade Free Foundation. " Ronny is officially part of the IFF" -The situation. by lovelybuttons45 August 06, ...
964439;1420349125;mircea_popescu;but yes. a ministry which curates torrents.
964440;1420349128;ben_vulpes;misfire.
964441;1420349231;mircea_popescu;"� When the British got tossed out of their American Colonies, they did all they could, using a combination of import preferences and British �soft power,� to bolster the plantation economy of the American South, helping set it up as a sort of anti-United States, and the eventual result was the American Civil War."
964442;1420349240;mircea_popescu;orlov is uniquely clueless huh.
964443;1420349246;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18216 @ 0.00062103 = 11.3127 BTC [-] {2} 
964444;1420349271;mircea_popescu;what is this thing where faux intellectuals look at the soup of symbols their destructured intellects float aimlessly through as a sort of primal matter to be cast into random shapes ?
964445;1420349276;mircea_popescu;it already has a shape.
964446;1420349301;mircea_popescu;it only appears as a soup because their head's barely functional.
964447;1420349399;mircea_popescu;"They took a Slavic, mostly Russian-speaking country and spent billions (that's with a �b�) of dollars corrupting its politics to make the Ukrainians hate the Russians."
964448;1420349407;mircea_popescu;right. obama did holdomor nao o.O
964449;1420349825;mircea_popescu;the Sh C O is a good point tho.
964450;1420349934;mircea_popescu;"And so, to make sure that their efforts to provoke a large-scale, hugely destructive, festering conflict between Britain and Europe fail, Europe would do well to set up an anti-Britain within Britain."
964451;1420349938;mircea_popescu;which is what scotland is.
964452;1420349978;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6282 @ 0.00064661 = 4.062 BTC [+] {3} 
964453;1420349982;mircea_popescu;this game was played already. on the whole, merkel is actually much better than hillary rodham, and her spies work much better than the whole us, canada, uk and australia doolitle realm combined.
964454;1420350021;mircea_popescu;which is kind-of why the woman was so appaled when she discovered shit-for-brains niggerdongs was actually spying on her fucking phone. it's roughly the insolence of a poodle biting a bulldog.
964455;1420350042;mircea_popescu;!up ascii_modem
964456;1420350050;ascii_modem;danke!
964457;1420350088;mircea_popescu;a wait, he actually identifies it. kay.
964458;1420350135;ascii_modem;half your population must reside abroad under fake identities << see chuck palahniuk's hilarious 'pygmy', a tale about precisely this
964459;1420350199;mircea_popescu;right.
964460;1420350211;mircea_popescu;it's not something i came up with, by any means.
964461;1420350250;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo "HTTPS fairs poorly" fares
964462;1420350252;mircea_popescu;!up binaryatrocity
964463;1420350253;ascii_modem;BingoBoingo would like this one
964464;1420350261;mircea_popescu;who're you binaryatrocity ?
964465;1420350336;ascii_modem;cut-throats from a mythical (but loosely - nk) land are sent to usa. they look young and always masquerade as schoolchildren in the later grades.
964466;1420350343;mircea_popescu;"The NSA's strength as they disclose here is not math or science advances that allow them to seemingly magically break strong encryption, but the size and scale of their operations along with their ability to recruit collaborators like Microsoft and subvert standards committees."
964467;1420350352;mircea_popescu;"the nsa has nothing."
964468;1420350456;BingoBoingo;<ascii_modem> cut-throats from a mythical (but loosely - nk) land are sent to usa. they look young and always masquerade as schoolchildren in the later grades. << I've never really trusted Children
964469;1420350587;mircea_popescu;kakobrekla: makes me think lizard are affiliated with cf. <<< you might also underestimate the retarded generation.
964470;1420350607;mircea_popescu;every "security" website's on bootstrap. why ? for the same reason they masturbate. "it's there"
964471;1420350658;ascii_modem;bootstrap ?
964472;1420350675;BingoBoingo;ascii_modem: Web design turd
964473;1420350703;mircea_popescu;ascii_modem that one thing making all the dumbass "we're a ceo" "companies" look alike.
964474;1420350728;ascii_modem;i thought that was the dope used therein
964475;1420350758;ascii_modem;or the indian rent-an-artists
964476;1420351043;ascii_modem;ben_vulpes:oh! and subject of ratpoison, did you evaluate and reject stumpwm at some point? << yes. rejected because heavy.
964477;1420351079;BingoBoingo;ascii_modem: Here's the sphincter from which bootstrap turd emerges http://getbootstrap.com/
964478;1420351080;assbot;      Bootstrap · The world's most popular mobile-first and responsive front-end framework.   ... ( http://bit.ly/1BkgbuT )
964479;1420351091;mircea_popescu;lol
964480;1420351107;mircea_popescu;i am ever so grateful that stupidity always and everywhere advertises itself specifically.
964481;1420351111;mircea_popescu;"mobile first" eh ?
964482;1420351135;mircea_popescu;it's like living in a magical world where all poisonous mushrooms are required by unyielding laws of thermodynamics to be bright orange and glow in the dark.
964483;1420351157;ascii_modem;ben_vulpes: heavy not merely in the machine footprint sense, but conceptually. i like wm with ridiculously predictable behaviours and minimal state, like kalash
964484;1420351158;mircea_popescu;this is pretty much the only good argument for why it's better to be an intellectual than a labourer. this unique priviledge.
964485;1420351249;ascii_modem;in not entirely unrelated news, i found that a vacuum cleaner i recently bought runs - i shit thee not - 'qnx'.
964486;1420351300;mircea_popescu;o.O
964487;1420351302;mircea_popescu;on mips ?
964488;1420351347;joecool;orly
964489;1420351369;ascii_modem;on hell knows what, haven't popped it yet
964490;1420351382;ascii_modem;'botvac-80'
964491;1420351413;ascii_modem;http://www.qnx.com/news/pr_5901_1.html
964492;1420351414;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1wNQehd )
964493;1420351563;BingoBoingo;;;google vax sucks
964494;1420351564;gribble;VAX - Catb.org: <http://www.catb.org/jargon/html/V/VAX.html>; Nothing sucks like a vax - Encyclopedia - The Free Dictionary: <http://encyclopedia2.thefreedictionary.com/Nothing+sucks+like+a+vax>; OpenBSD/vax: <http://www.openbsd.org/vax.html>
964495;1420351669;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=30-12-2014#962022 <<< this reminds me of an older discussion with decimation
964496;1420351669;assbot;Logged on 30-12-2014 21:19:05; BingoBoingo: http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_slatest/2014/12/30/report_finds_police_officers_killed_on_duty_spiked_in_2014.html
964497;1420351736;mircea_popescu;fluffypony the story is linked directly under the line you referenced.
964498;1420351777;mircea_popescu;;;google vladimir marchenko
964499;1420351778;gribble;Vladimir Marchenko - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vladimir_Marchenko>; Marchenko biography: <http://www-history.mcs.st-andrews.ac.uk/Biographies/Marchenko.html>; Vladimir Marchenko (@Vladimirsuccess) | Twitter: <https://twitter.com/vladimirsuccess>
964500;1420351890;mircea_popescu;meh, not the ukrainian math guy.
964501;1420351898;mircea_popescu;http://www.benzinga.com/tech/13/05/3563567/meet-the-22-most-important-people-behind-bitcoin << there, lol.
964502;1420351899;assbot;Meet the 22 Most Important People Behind Bitcoin - Google Inc. (NASDAQ:GOOG), Red Hat, Inc. (NYSE:RHT) | Benzinga ... ( http://bit.ly/1wNQFb2 )
964503;1420351924;mircea_popescu;people you never heard about pushed by writers you never heard about on venues you never heard about. it's all very web2.0 an' sophisticated.
964504;1420351958;mircea_popescu;how finley ended up "behind bitcoin" is anyone's guess, but hey.
964505;1420351990;mircea_popescu;these guys are 100 to 1000x as productive as a "normal american", so the stuff they write is not necessarily comprehensible to ordinary mortals.
964506;1420352024;mircea_popescu;"Strateman is a bitcoin developer, best known for co-founding Intersango and the Python bitcoin implementation." no, actually strateman is best know for being one of the scammers involved in the bitcoinica fraud, and before that for being theidiot that emailed the entire list the emails of the entire list,
964507;1420352028;mircea_popescu;because he can python so well.
964508;1420352058;mircea_popescu;and yes, he still hangs around -dev and so forth, just like gmaxwell and the rest of the walking dead. because who knows, maybe someone forgets or something.
964509;1420352061;mircea_popescu;maybe it just goes away.
964510;1420352077;mircea_popescu;maybe if enough bazingas keep acting like it never happened then it really never happened.
964511;1420352140;mircea_popescu;ahaha  waaait, diablo!
964512;1420352168;mircea_popescu;"22. Patrick McFarland (@Diablo-D3) McFarland is the creator of DiabloMiner, a Java GPU bitcoin miner that uses the OpenCL framework to quickly perform the hashing computations.
964513;1420352168;mircea_popescu;In addition, McFarland is a BitcoinTalk forum moderator."
964514;1420352196;mircea_popescu;the part where he wanted everyone to give him bitcoin so he gets 1mn of them together to build some sort of weirdo powerplant-dc combo and then got insanely butthurt when people kinda laughed omitted.
964515;1420352240;mircea_popescu;the part where this thing ended up traded with usagi and who knows what else in bitcointalks most outrageous example of retardation, doing all sorts of insane valuations that essentially resulting in his few investors being fleeced about 95% in the first year also omitted.
964516;1420352249;mircea_popescu;ahh this was a great walk in the past, thanks for asking fluff.
964517;1420352697;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform: the confucian kingdoms breathe plagiarism like air. <<< "plagiarism", much like "sins of the flesh", is a construction intended to work as a tool for a very peculiar purpose.
964518;1420352813;mircea_popescu;(discussed in more detail http://trilema.com/2013/the-divine-cunt/#footnote_0_50163 )
964519;1420352814;assbot;The Divine Cunt pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.  ... ( http://bit.ly/1Bklg6A )
964520;1420352841;mircea_popescu;that it still constitutes a majority of the cultural festooning of the colonies to this day... well... nobody forces the mt obe stupid.
964521;1420352857;mircea_popescu;outside of this, there's really nothing wrong with reusing other people's *working* material.
964522;1420352859;mircea_popescu;shakespeare did it.
964523;1420352963;mircea_popescu;decimation: well, certainly one cannot be enemies with usg or usg's agents << everyone in bitcoin is and can.
964524;1420352965;mircea_popescu;!up Fun1
964525;1420352979;Fun1;:)
964526;1420352996;mircea_popescu;who're you ?
964527;1420353162;mircea_popescu;hm doth that mean ddoser kid is back ?
964528;1420353560;mircea_popescu;neways, enough excitement for one day. laters!
964529;1420356631;decimation;!up smidge
964530;1420356750;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7554 @ 0.00063361 = 4.7863 BTC [-]
964531;1420357421;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 43413 @ 0.00064829 = 28.1442 BTC [+] {2} 
964532;1420357482;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8537 @ 0.00065221 = 5.5679 BTC [+]
964533;1420357925;BingoBoingo;!up Fun
964534;1420357931;BingoBoingo;Hello Fun
964535;1420357942;Fun;hi
964536;1420357943;Fun;:)
964537;1420357955;BingoBoingo;What brings you around these parts?
964538;1420357957;Fun;who here traded fx options?
964539;1420357979;Fun;mainly to get some info about cme fx options :D or find a channel for it
964540;1420357999;BingoBoingo;Ah, might find someone who does that
964541;1420358022;Fun;I have found cme home page for them yet to understand pricing :)
964542;1420358068;Fun;http://www.cmegroup.com/trading/fx/emerging-market/russian-ruble.html
964543;1420358214;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22061 @ 0.00063518 = 14.0127 BTC [-]
964544;1420358400;Fun;http://www.cmegroup.com/trading/fx/emerging-market/russian-ruble_quotes_globex_options.html
964545;1420358402;assbot;Russian Ruble Options (RUB/USD) Quotes - CME Group ... ( http://bit.ly/1Bw9PXc )
964546;1420358420;Fun;put 0.001465
964547;1420358424;Fun;so its 0.001465 per lot?
964548;1420358520;Fun;1 lot is 2,500,500
964549;1420358527;Fun;so 0.001465 is unlikely to be price per lot
964550;1420358539;Fun;2,500,000
964551;1420358780;BingoBoingo;These are very interesting questions. You may need to wait for someone to wake up.
964552;1420358805;Fun;np I am reading some help info on that site :D
964553;1420359800;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11363 @ 0.0006331 = 7.1939 BTC [-] {2} 
964554;1420359826;BingoBoingo;!up Fun
964555;1420359861;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6405 @ 0.00060887 = 3.8998 BTC [-]
964556;1420359913;Fun;:)
964557;1420359921;Fun;such bot
964558;1420359929;Fun;oki time to do some shopping
964559;1420360139;cazalla;<BingoBoingo> Dramafount continues https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/2r9l72/a_message_from_gaw/ <<< looks like he's now deleted his post and ran away
964560;1420360142;assbot;A message from GAW : Bitcoin ... ( http://bit.ly/1BwdgNz )
964561;1420360178;cazalla;or deleted his account and left it.. or something.. [deleted] anyway
964562;1420360348;BingoBoingo;cazalla: Well, at least he consistently builds the expectation that he's eventually going to delete fucking everything so people know to archive his bullshit
964563;1420360471;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 2000 @ 0.00081983 = 1.6397 BTC [+] {9} 
964564;1420360532;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 2889 @ 0.00082441 = 2.3817 BTC [+] {6} 
964565;1420360533;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 41784 @ 0.00060834 = 25.4189 BTC [-] {2} 
964566;1420360593;BingoBoingo;lulzy shit from their forum "I was just making the point that engagement with the wider crypto community was of little value to GAW, and here Reddit goes and makes a prime example for me."
964567;1420361030;Fun;its useless to talk to such people
964568;1420361152;BingoBoingo;It really is. Reddit sucks, but for different reasons that they think.
964569;1420361482;Fun;I love Reddit
964570;1420361484;Fun;hehe
964571;1420361490;Fun;oki time to do more stuff
964572;1420361632;BingoBoingo;The whole voting/gamification thing really encourages maximum participation from people probably should be participating closer to their potential minimum which is problematic.
964573;1420361644;BingoBoingo;!up Fun
964574;1420362240;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23200 @ 0.00060728 = 14.0889 BTC [-] {2} 
964575;1420362363;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33800 @ 0.00064618 = 21.8409 BTC [+] {4} 
964576;1420362937;fluffypony;"gawxed" is my new favourite term
964577;1420362950;fluffypony;maybe "gowxed" so it combines the best of both scams
964578;1420363949;[]bot;Bet placed: 1 BTC for No on "Bitcoin to surpass Berkshire as an investment" http://bitbet.us/bet/786/ Odds: 28(Y):72(N) by coin, 46(Y):54(N) by weight. Total bet: 4052.66238705 BTC. Current weight: 12,403.
964579;1420364567;cazalla;whilst out walking, i got to thinking - as the amount of bitcoin lost to theft decrease, at what point does it become a game of simply killing people who are known to be large holders resulting in no-one knowing the private key as to reduce the supply and increase the value of ones own holding occur?
964580;1420364668;punkman;https://www.belshe.com/2014/12/15/bitcoin-finally-an-asset-you-can-take-with-you/
964581;1420364669;assbot;Bitcoin – Finally, An Asset You Can Take With You «  Mike's Lookout ... ( http://bit.ly/1F3In9p )
964582;1420364714;punkman;cazalla, why not torture them and take their coins?
964583;1420364889;cazalla;but that's not applicable in every scenario as far as i can tell, an example being someone who is geographically removed from their cold storage
964584;1420364984;cazalla;all this being hypothetical but i would guess it is easier to snipe someone in public than gain entrace to their fortress
964585;1420365008;punkman;yeah but you don't get any tangible/immediate benefit
964586;1420365041;punkman;if Satoshi appears and says hey guys I lost the key to 250k coins, how much would the price go up?
964587;1420365179;cazalla;but you can't know that for sure? if you turn around and strangle him, at least you know with good certainity his coins would never be moved and in a practical sense, are now lost
964588;1420365222;punkman;you can't know either way
964589;1420365230;jurov;same with assassination. you don't know if they haven't shared the keys
964590;1420365238;jurov;*escrowed
964591;1420365242;punkman;maybe his kid finds the key after 10 years in some old bookcase
964592;1420365266;cazalla;maybe you strangle the kid for good measure, i don't know
964593;1420365329;jurov;better kidnap the kid than this
964594;1420365450;cazalla;i'm not so sure.. if you kidnap satoshi's kid, maybe he pays the ransom but comes for you and yours once he has kid back.. can't know exactly how much he is holding or if he would part with all of them for his son
964595;1420365723;jurov;and if you kill satoshi nobody goes after you? lol
964596;1420365741;punkman;cazalla, better yet, kidnap rich guy's kid, make him buy bitcoin to pay ransom. price goes up for sure.
964597;1420365955;[]bot;Bet placed: 10.92516805 BTC for No on "Bitcoin to surpass Berkshire as an investment" http://bitbet.us/bet/786/ Odds: 27(Y):73(N) by coin, 46(Y):54(N) by weight. Total bet: 4092.35574335 BTC. Current weight: 12,396.
964598;1420365957;[]bot;Bet placed: 28.76818825 BTC for No on "Bitcoin to surpass Berkshire as an investment" http://bitbet.us/bet/786/ Odds: 27(Y):73(N) by coin, 46(Y):54(N) by weight. Total bet: 4092.35574335 BTC. Current weight: 12,396.
964599;1420366152;cazalla;punkman, what does the hypothetical rich man need to buy bitcoin for? if rich, surely he has them already in this future
964600;1420366415;punkman;you could do this now, why future?
964601;1420366480;cazalla;well, goes back to my question regarding killing over theft, not something that is happening now afaik, but in the future?
964602;1420366884;punkman;cazalla: if your hypothetical killer has economical motives, I don't think it'd ever make sense not to try to steal/ransom.
964603;1420367120;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 1400 @ 0.00085071 = 1.191 BTC [+] {3} 
964604;1420367123;punkman;http://linuxgizmos.com/ringing-in-2015-with-40-linux-friendly-hacker-sbcs/
964605;1420367124;assbot;Ringing in 2015 with 40 Linux-friendly hacker SBCs ·  LinuxGizmos.com ... ( http://bit.ly/1rSruss )
964606;1420367142;punkman;(raspberrypi alternatives and such)
964607;1420367150;punkman;http://store.imgtec.com/us/product/mips-creator-ci20/
964608;1420367151;assbot;MIPS® Creator CI20 | Imagination Store ... ( http://bit.ly/1rSrwR4 )
964609;1420367486;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 4082 @ 0.00084343 = 3.4429 BTC [-] {4} 
964610;1420367487;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14405 @ 0.00063636 = 9.1668 BTC [-] {2} 
964611;1420367547;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6595 @ 0.00063793 = 4.2071 BTC [+]
964612;1420367915;punkman;https://twitter.com/k8em0/status/550948199381233665
964613;1420367916;assbot;/i0n1c I really did have to decrypt my HD flying through CDG in France. I really had nothing to hide, but that's not the point, is it?
964614;1420368096;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3350 @ 0.00062619 = 2.0977 BTC [-]
964615;1420370443;punkman;http://libv.livejournal.com/
964616;1420370475;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14073 @ 0.00062619 = 8.8124 BTC [-]
964617;1420371024;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12977 @ 0.00062419 = 8.1001 BTC [-] {2} 
964618;1420371146;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11050 @ 0.00062738 = 6.9325 BTC [+] {2} 
964619;1420371806;punkman;lol, hadn't seen this before http://www.raspberrypi.com/mpeg-2-license-key/
964620;1420371807;assbot;MPEG-2 license key - Raspberry Pi Store ... ( http://bit.ly/1wOa9wg )
964621;1420371817;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7400 @ 0.00060727 = 4.4938 BTC [-]
964622;1420373586;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5114 @ 0.00061663 = 3.1534 BTC [+]
964623;1420374196;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 2000 @ 0.00083915 = 1.6783 BTC [+] {5} 
964624;1420375294;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5700 @ 0.00061663 = 3.5148 BTC [+]
964625;1420376027;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 2000 @ 0.000805 = 1.61 BTC [+]
964626;1420376697;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7950 @ 0.00061787 = 4.9121 BTC [+] {2} 
964627;1420377795;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19328 @ 0.00064865 = 12.5371 BTC [+] {2} 
964628;1420378222;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3222 @ 0.00065181 = 2.1001 BTC [+]
964629;1420379137;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13166 @ 0.00061489 = 8.0956 BTC [-] {3} 
964630;1420380662;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3650 @ 0.00060471 = 2.2072 BTC [-]
964631;1420380967;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1834 @ 0.00060497 = 1.1095 BTC [+]
964632;1420381882;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1834 @ 0.00064878 = 1.1899 BTC [+]
964633;1420382051;cazalla;!up Vexual
964634;1420382057;cazalla;you're up late Vexual
964635;1420382113;Vexual;is it?
964636;1420382143;adlai;mp still on vacation, i see - replies to a week's worth of logs, then vanishes by the time i'm awake
964637;1420382221;adlai;market rekt eh
964638;1420382263;adlai;it's this funny thing, the more btc i have, the less i care how much they're worth
964639;1420382312;cazalla;it's gonna have to go to 0 or 5,000 for my cock to get hard, 250 isn't even foreplay
964640;1420382454;Vexual;i wonder if linda evangalista still gets 10k a day?
964641;1420382493;adlai;it's about time for one of those "velocity per utxo" plots to get updated, my guess is that it'll show that "strong hands" give increasingly fewer shits with each dump, while the churn at the bottom only gets frothier
964642;1420382551;cazalla;Vexual, perhaps not these days http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-2810892/Linda-Evangelista-49-goes-makeup-free-takes-view-balcony-Sydney-hotel.html
964643;1420382554;assbot;Linda Evangelista goes makeup-free from the balcony of her Sydney hotel  | Daily Mail Online ... ( http://bit.ly/1rTauCe )
964644;1420382672;adlai;finally some good news! https://btc-e.com/news/216
964645;1420382673;assbot;BTC-E | News ... ( http://bit.ly/1vMPLeK )
964646;1420382830;kakobrekla;once you ride 32->2 it cant get much worse
964647;1420383105;Vexual;1000-300 is worse if you-re worried about dollars
964648;1420383147;adlai;depends how much you bought in. if you had the same amount of fiat-equivalent through each slide, 32→2 is much more painful
964649;1420383475;kakobrekla;every 10 dorra slip is about a year of living
964650;1420383478;kakobrekla;gone.
964651;1420383496;Vexual;huh?
964652;1420383506;Apocalyptic;kakobrekla, kinda painful if viewed that way
964653;1420383543;kakobrekla;its just what my nav sez!
964654;1420383553;Vexual;ah
964655;1420383588;Vexual;;;calc 10000*366 nevermind gribbles not here
964656;1420384018;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7052 @ 0.00064878 = 4.5752 BTC [+]
964657;1420384994;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 3000 @ 0.00075032 = 2.251 BTC [-] {6} 
964658;1420385178;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4678 @ 0.00064878 = 3.035 BTC [+]
964659;1420385299;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 1983 @ 0.0008999 = 1.7845 BTC [+] {5} 
964660;1420385727;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25430 @ 0.00060796 = 15.4604 BTC [-]
964661;1420385787;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 5000 @ 0.0009337 = 4.6685 BTC [-] {13} 
964662;1420386187;kakobrekla;how long has gribble been gone?
964663;1420386284;cazalla;a bit over 4 hours ago
964664;1420386336;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14192 @ 0.00060796 = 8.6282 BTC [-]
964665;1420386346;kakobrekla;ping nanotube
964666;1420386354;kakobrekla;!up nanotube
964667;1420386520;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 27211 @ 0.00005794 = 1.5766 BTC [+] {12} 
964668;1420388162;kakobrekla;!up mircea_popescu
964669;1420388173;mircea_popescu;what is this scandal!
964670;1420388997;mircea_popescu;ther most incredible thing about that fun guy's link is that volume is 0 "?
964671;1420389002;mircea_popescu;wth instrument is that anyway.
964672;1420389164;mircea_popescu;;;later tell fun so you ever figure it out ?
964673;1420389170;mircea_popescu;oh for crying out loud.
964674;1420389188;mircea_popescu;nanotube help us help you. what's gribble need ?
964675;1420389310;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo lol gaw thing has its own forum ? what is this, like ognasty redone ?
964676;1420389343;kakobrekla;times 1k.
964677;1420389376;mircea_popescu;right, louder. i guess not being a total redneck retard helps internet scamming.
964678;1420389389;mircea_popescu;cazalla why would people with large holdings not have inheritance set up ?
964679;1420389404;mircea_popescu;not like it's 2011 and we're just figuring this novel bitcoin thing out
964680;1420389488;cazalla;mircea_popescu, but would the son that inherits them be just as capable as the father who accumulated them?
964681;1420389510;cazalla;maybe i got a little bit too much oxygen while walking, i unno
964682;1420389541;mircea_popescu;i didn't think of sons tbh. i guess that's what inheritance means.
964683;1420389553;mircea_popescu;no, if i go there's going to be a bunch of ninja vamps suddenly very rich.
964684;1420389567;mircea_popescu;if i were the world i'd be pretty fucking careful.
964685;1420389634;kakobrekla;http://i.imgur.com/k79jIsM.gif
964686;1420389639;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1zMj97p )
964687;1420389664;mircea_popescu;lol
964688;1420389763;mircea_popescu;punkman: if Satoshi appears and says hey guys I lost the key to 250k coins, how much would the price go up? << wouldn't have any appreciable short term effect.
964689;1420389793;thestringpuller;coins are already technically out of circulation
964690;1420389818;mircea_popescu;punkman: cazalla, better yet, kidnap rich guy's kid, make him buy bitcoin to pay ransom. price goes up for sure. <<< this is unavoidable. no ransom of the future will be anything but bitcoin.
964691;1420389831;mircea_popescu;the logistics of fiat paper make it useless for the purpose.
964692;1420389840;mircea_popescu;so brace yourselves, it's gonna be in teh media.
964693;1420389890;kakobrekla;yes more ransoms plox to keeps the price ups
964694;1420389901;thestringpuller;mircea_popescu: stop giving #b-a criminal ideas
964695;1420389909;mircea_popescu;"i won't interrupt this sketch for a pound."
964696;1420389910;kakobrekla;srs i need meat to live.
964697;1420389922;mircea_popescu;kakobrekla manmeat ?
964698;1420389933;kakobrekla;horse preferably.
964699;1420389949;cazalla;zomg thestringpuller, it was clearly stated it was a hypothetical!
964700;1420389969;thestringpuller;but it's totally a legit idea!
964701;1420389973;mircea_popescu;manhorsecock ?!
964702;1420390018;thestringpuller;Kidnap someone with money, deliver ransom note, "pay in bitcoin or ELSE." You don't even have to have a drop point.
964703;1420390034;thestringpuller;Once money is sent, release hostage. Move along.
964704;1420390042;thestringpuller;The mexican's will have a field day when they figure it out.
964705;1420390055;mircea_popescu;i don't comprehend this "have to decrypt disk" bs.
964706;1420390076;mircea_popescu;i wouldn't decrypt jack if they sat on their head. what the fuck is this, the future or some shit /
964707;1420390085;kakobrekla;it may have to with the 'check if its real laptop or bombtop' thing
964708;1420390100;mircea_popescu;i dun care what words are coming out of their heads.
964709;1420390113;mircea_popescu;go ahead and check.
964710;1420390118;mircea_popescu;otherwise, go ahead and destroy it.
964711;1420390129;mircea_popescu;decryption does not happen. take it to nsa or whoever the fuck, they're smart righ ?
964712;1420390137;kakobrekla;she prolly had the option to leave it there
964713;1420390173;mircea_popescu;i guess my mistake here is to imagine the problems of poor people are relevant / the problems of people.
964714;1420390185;mircea_popescu;"you can have your laptop back for a pound."
964715;1420390198;mircea_popescu;"o gosh jolly, wouldn't you rather take a blowjob instead ?"
964716;1420390200;kakobrekla;you also carry and old ibm around no?
964717;1420390208;kakobrekla;an*
964718;1420390223;mircea_popescu;last time i flew i carried something like 38 encrypted disks.
964719;1420390234;mircea_popescu;just the disks, too. interestingly enough, nobody cared.
964720;1420390255;kakobrekla;did you have backups of those ?
964721;1420390260;mircea_popescu;myeah.
964722;1420390272;kakobrekla;aha
964723;1420390292;mircea_popescu;also a pile of assorted laptops, batteries, various cards and processors
964724;1420390297;cazalla;damn, that's a lot of porn
964725;1420390305;mircea_popescu;i was half expecting the customs say something, but they didn't.
964726;1420390347;mircea_popescu;but yeah, for the sake of fairness and balance : i dun recall ever having been hassled in any airport for any reason, except guatemala.
964727;1420390376;mircea_popescu;who are complete idiots and that country is the absolute asshole of the world, you're better off visiting the new delhi old dump.
964728;1420390405;mircea_popescu;cazalla it wasn't all porn!
964729;1420390445;mircea_popescu;adlai: it's about time for one of those "velocity per utxo" plots to get updated, my guess is that it'll show that "strong hands" give increasingly fewer shits with each dump, while the churn at the bottom only gets frothier <<< guy's been here what, twelve weeks ? already enlightened.
964730;1420390508;mircea_popescu;"(2) Can you provide evidence that GAW actually mined (a) any blocks, and (b) anything like the number you claimed you were mining?"
964731;1420390508;*;adlai is pretty clueless/restless to qualify for that
964732;1420390509;mircea_popescu;i lolled.
964733;1420390609;mircea_popescu;http://i.imgur.com/yeLcKn8.png << i lolled moar.
964734;1420390610;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/17bcIUw )
964735;1420390649;mircea_popescu;http://i.imgur.com/8rwYupE.png etc in the same vein.
964736;1420390650;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/17bcMUc )
964737;1420390675;kakobrekla;'industry innovator' it sez. damn right. of chumpatronics.
964738;1420390690;mircea_popescu;the history of this "industry" term is so funny.
964739;1420390703;mircea_popescu;you will notice it is only used by people who are pointedly not involved in any sort of industrial matter.
964740;1420390723;mircea_popescu;it got started by the virtual schmucks of hollywood trying to give themselves some word based weight
964741;1420390741;mircea_popescu;much like all the shitty studios of the 50s were called like "empire" and "megaultra" etc.
964742;1420390758;mircea_popescu;then, the porn people picked it up. it was a very tongue in cheek sort of thing, originally, like a mockery of hollywood.
964743;1420390783;mircea_popescu;but that generation soon got pushed out by the tpg braindamaged set, and what was once irony became cereal.
964744;1420390810;mircea_popescu;and from there, via warriorforum and the nerve centers of "i failed local college business school" braindamage... it's in every confidence scam on the webs.
964745;1420390897;mircea_popescu;(tpg = thumbnail preview gallery, at the time an innovation that consisted of putting eight, then six, then four then three pics in a row and filling pages with such rows. each pic ideally linked to the material (more pics of the same set). then that evolved into the skim, where some pics are linked to whatever junk being sold etc.)
964746;1420390910;adlai;we could replace the term with "commons", to remind the participants that by shitting in the reservoir, they sully their own soup too. eg, "garza is a prominent scammer in the bitcoin commons", "bitcoin is causing a power shift in the pornography commons", etc
964747;1420390928;mircea_popescu;except there's no commonality.
964748;1420390946;cazalla;bit of a spike again https://www.quantcast.com/qntra.net
964749;1420390948;assbot;                  Qntra.net Traffic and Demographic Statistics by Quantcast                   ... ( http://bit.ly/1G33Fky )
964750;1420390969;adlai;how so? there's a market, and these "industries" each squabble over their potential market
964751;1420390969;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform: iirc, it was designed by a woman. i won't psychiatrize on this point, but let's see what mircea makes of it! << i dun get it, so what if a woman designed it ?
964752;1420390984;mircea_popescu;adlai this is merely an artefact of your socialistoid perspective.
964753;1420390999;mircea_popescu;no, there isn't "a market".
964754;1420391014;mircea_popescu;we're not all one, all the same, all on the same plane. we don't interact with the same things.
964755;1420391066;adlai;hmm i'm not that socialist, i've probably miscommunicated
964756;1420391077;kakobrekla;paycoin is sitting at 3.87$ atm btw.
964757;1420391105;kakobrekla;not bad at all!
964758;1420391108;cazalla;kakobrekla, not possible!
964759;1420391113;cazalla;$20 floor
964760;1420391114;mircea_popescu;isn't this the thing going to be 20 tomorrow ?
964761;1420391121;adlai;wasn't it going to be 20 a few days ago?
964762;1420391166;mircea_popescu;adlai let me give you an example of what i mean. do you know who was the first person to speak german in israel after the war ?
964763;1420391177;adlai;no
964764;1420391190;mircea_popescu;marlene dietrich.
964765;1420391206;adlai;ok, how is this relevant?
964766;1420391214;mircea_popescu;now, look at it. admitting for the sake of thinking that the germans were entertainers, since you're admitting garza is in business
964767;1420391234;mircea_popescu;how exactly did the nazis sully the soup for dietrich ?
964768;1420391248;adlai;(sounds like a stretch, too, israel has/d plenty of german- and yiddish-speaking immigrants)
964769;1420391256;mircea_popescu;but they did not speak german anymore.
964770;1420391263;mircea_popescu;look it up, or ask old people that lived it.
964771;1420391305;adlai;well there's a huge prejudice against germany the nation and german the language, even among people my age who don't have any family who suffered in the holocaust - but they just inherited the prejudice because it's so pervasive
964772;1420391323;mircea_popescu;that's not related to the historical fact in question.
964773;1420391466;*;adlai is a little lost, also trying to extinguish fires in a running bot
964774;1420391493;*;kakobrekla curious about the fire
964775;1420391501;mircea_popescu;lol did it get sniped after all ?
964776;1420391516;mircea_popescu;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7heXZPl2hik
964777;1420391518;assbot;Marlene Dietrich -  Lili Marleen - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/17bdPDH )
964778;1420391550;mircea_popescu;Vor der Kaserne, wor dem grossen Tor stand eine Laterne und steht sie noch davor...
964779;1420391554;*;mircea_popescu sings along
964780;1420391578;adlai;no, i'm just improving its abstractions to accomodate new exchanges' quirks; and i did this a little carelessly, crashing the one bot. so i'm trying to setup methods in the other bot so it updates to the new code cleanly
964781;1420391593;adlai;http://www.lispworks.com/reference/HyperSpec/Body/f_upda_1.htm
964782;1420391593;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/17bdVLF )
964783;1420391689;kakobrekla;which exchanges ?
964784;1420391760;cazalla;4am and finally a yawn, night night..
964785;1420391775;adlai;runs on kraken and bitfinex already, now adding btce
964786;1420391978;adlai;chinese exchanges are probably next, although i'd like to do repay some technical debt first
964787;1420391987;mircea_popescu;"For most of America�s history, one of the most righteous anti-white supremacist tactics available was looting."
964788;1420391996;mircea_popescu;i gotta say lol...
964789;1420392289;adlai;at some point it'll be a good idea to make this thing usable to people who don't speak lisp, some sorta local webserver or rpc thingy
964790;1420392310;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform: who somehow lives off their tears <<< i do live off their tears.
964791;1420392347;mircea_popescu;the one thing i enjoy alongside redditard butttears of impotence is glaring bagging officer not comprehending why he has to bag my groceries.
964792;1420392359;mircea_popescu;adlai why that ?
964793;1420392446;mircea_popescu;undata: everybody in america thinks they were somehow robbed of making it big like everyone else did <<< the necessary byproduct of the entire "hero" thing graham & co promote. "work hard and we'll pay one in a million ten thousand times a salary, maybe you'll be him!"
964794;1420392479;mircea_popescu;just like slag goes with burning coal for power, buncha idiots thinking they were "robbed of making it big like everyone else" goes with "we don't pay you but maybe you get a promotion"
964795;1420392511;adlai;make it possible for people to use it without me having to set it up for them myself
964796;1420392512;mircea_popescu;the irony being that out of the scum in question, no other process can extract any use.
964797;1420392556;mircea_popescu;if they were merely offered a fair salary for their work they wouldn't take it because "it's not enough to live on". as if "living" is somehow fixed and god ordered that black guy in missouri must live better than black guy in senegal.
964798;1420392558;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1800 @ 0.00063819 = 1.1487 BTC [+]
964799;1420392558;adlai;requiring my magic touch is a sort of "job security", but i'd rather get paid to write new code than configure old apps
964800;1420392603;mircea_popescu;i don't follow the logic of how it would be useful "in general".
964801;1420392627;adlai;you mean why anybody would want to use scalpl?
964802;1420392648;mircea_popescu;no, but why would everybody want to use it.
964803;1420392790;mircea_popescu;as opposed to you know, one single person (presumably you).
964804;1420392790;adlai;not everybody, there are plenty of other places to put money; but it's reached the stage where more people are interested in using this than i'd like to hand-hold through the -entire- setup. (this is a very low number of people, i'm not good at customer support...)
964805;1420392808;mircea_popescu;on the 0 1 infinity scale i readily see why 1 rather than 0, i just don't grok why infinity rather than one.
964806;1420392859;adlai;there are also two ways of interpreting this question - "why would other people want to use it", or "why would adlai want more people to use it"
964807;1420392921;mircea_popescu;right ?
964808;1420393068;adlai;to maximize the amount of wealth profiting from stabilizing bitcoin
964809;1420393097;mircea_popescu;the logical approach to that is to increase your bankroll, not to spread among a bunch of idiots.
964810;1420393109;mircea_popescu;there's a reason capitalism historically flows towards enriching nodes, not elevating the graph.
964811;1420393145;adlai;who says i'm not doing both at once?
964812;1420393158;mircea_popescu;i don't per se care what yu do, it's a moral discussion.
964813;1420393160;mircea_popescu;"what should be done."
964814;1420393219;adlai;right. if i get a well-capitalized account profiting from this, what's morally wrong with that?
964815;1420393253;adlai;you could point out that i've fallen short of pure greed by not accepting investment, paying dividends, and retaining some fee as a personal profit
964816;1420393272;mircea_popescu;nothing at all. (note that i use "moral" properly, not in the bastardized form common among the plethora of would-be stalins without the ballsack.)
964817;1420393312;mircea_popescu;let's put it in more general terms. you're proposing to lower the bar of what constitutes a qualified investor.
964818;1420393318;mircea_popescu;you propose this as an obvious good.
964819;1420393326;mircea_popescu;i dun see the obviousness and hence the inquiry.
964820;1420393449;adlai;i'm not proposing to lower it to the ground, scalpl works quite badly on small accounts, and even with the usability changes i'm imagining, it'll be easy to footgun without either my help or some level of understanding on behalf of the shooter
964821;1420393459;mircea_popescu;the degree wasn't in question.
964822;1420393504;adlai;well, i do think that an oligarchy is better than a monarchy, if that's what the question is
964823;1420393507;kakobrekla;what is a small account ? 0.1 ? 1? 10? 100 ?
964824;1420393515;mircea_popescu;adlai why ?
964825;1420393552;mircea_popescu;(and generally, moral thought proceeds quite strictly : 1) is this a good thing or a bad thing ; 2) how much of it ? there's no overalpping these stages)
964826;1420393558;adlai;resilience in the face of population bottlenecks ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Population_bottleneck )
964827;1420393559;assbot;Population bottleneck - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ... ( http://bit.ly/1xpo9BX )
964828;1420393566;mircea_popescu;kakobrekla 1 because it's the smallest amount of number.
964829;1420393591;kakobrekla;aha
964830;1420393610;adlai;kakobrekla: i'd say you want at least 100x the exchange's minimum order size
964831;1420393610;mircea_popescu;adlai that made no sense.
964832;1420393630;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo: But... the 3d printed gun dude says burn it all down is an ideology... << i agree. it is.
964833;1420393647;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform: they go out, same as in usg-sponsored 'colour revolutions', because 'there's action tonight' << quite. which is why it's so lulzy to watch.
964834;1420393681;mircea_popescu;generally, people tend to hurl as insults/bombs/damage to others what they're most afraid of themselves. there's a very good reason color revolutions exist, and it has nothing to do with ukraine or gaddafi.
964835;1420393691;mircea_popescu;errything to do with what every senator knows and fears at home.
964836;1420393732;kakobrekla;i havent used any exchange with api for over a year
964837;1420393770;adlai;my thinking is along the lines of a society/economy not having all its eggs in one basket. it doesn't have to have one egg per basket, with daily redistributions; a "fit economy still has strong inequality, but it's not skewed all the way to either side of the spectrum
964838;1420393855;mircea_popescu;adlai ok but i dunno how this relates to discussion
964839;1420393863;adlai;and if morality is part of the question... deep down, i'm one of those software freedom zealots. not quite to the point of GPLing everything i write, but yes to the point of sharing my work.
964840;1420393876;mircea_popescu;ie it still doesn't answer my oreiginal curiosiuty
964841;1420393893;mircea_popescu;this has little to do with the software in question mind.
964842;1420393936;adlai;why not? i've written something useful, i'm trying to make it more useful, and i _believe_ (ie, an opinion more grounded in emotion than evidence) that the right thing to do is share this
964843;1420393990;adlai;what's missing from answering your original question?
964844;1420394020;mircea_popescu;all of it.
964845;1420394028;mircea_popescu;why do you propose it as a good.
964846;1420394099;mircea_popescu;i can readily construct a scenario where it harms, if it helps.
964847;1420394115;adlai;please do, i'm typing up another answer attempt meanwhile
964848;1420394148;mircea_popescu;okay. suppose currently robot has use cost X, expressed in some translated value of he sophistication/time/etc needed to use it.
964849;1420394154;mircea_popescu;suppose you move it to X-e
964850;1420394187;mircea_popescu;this increases the pool of users from U to U+x. the average sophistication of x is < than the average of U. in fact it's common even if we won;t rely on it that the peak of x is under the lowest of U.
964851;1420394211;mircea_popescu;this will increase failures from F to F+y, where y/F > x/U > e/X
964852;1420394217;mircea_popescu;this is the definition of harm.
964853;1420394281;adlai;we know nothing about failure rates from outside U, or failure rates of the original users after more have joined
964854;1420394306;mircea_popescu;in which case at most we can't say whether it's a good or bad idea, and shouldn't bother with it at all ?
964855;1420394307;adlai;the way scalpl works currently, you can use it badly and lose money, just like with any investment; and that is likely to never change
964856;1420394330;mircea_popescu;yes, but by the time https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wQ7mhLp0abU get involved, you know they'll mostly lose.
964857;1420394332;assbot;homicide da union - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1xprst3 )
964858;1420394349;mircea_popescu;if they didn't mostly lose, they wouldn't be "homicide da union", they'd be the cupcakes and crumpets core.
964859;1420394392;adlai;the latecomers will likely lose wherever they go, i'm less focused on making it easier for them, more on making it easier for users #3-10
964860;1420394403;mircea_popescu;oh i see.
964861;1420394406;mircea_popescu;good point.
964862;1420394406;thestringpuller;easy sunday all
964863;1420394410;thestringpuller;how is the cult today?
964864;1420394426;adlai;reaching the end of an argument. quick, say something socialist!
964865;1420394426;mircea_popescu;you just missed the spanish inquisition.
964866;1420394433;adlai;:D
964867;1420394448;thestringpuller;uh, i believe all people should be given everything equally
964868;1420394461;mircea_popescu;i just gave the girls some penis.
964869;1420394466;mircea_popescu;kneel an' say aah ?
964870;1420394475;thestringpuller;mircea_popescu should donate 10% of the MPOE profits to charity
964871;1420394487;thestringpuller;so that homeless people can have free access to drugs
964872;1420394506;mircea_popescu;that's not socialist, that's pharma oligopolist!
964873;1420394517;mircea_popescu;o wait, you meant psychoactives ?
964874;1420394525;thestringpuller;Haha!
964875;1420394538;adlai;mircea_popescu: you may be overestimating the maturity of my project... it's existed outside my head, as running code, for under 9 months; and has only turned profitable during the latter half
964876;1420394550;thestringpuller;adlai sorry, seems I'd have to dig through some socialist propaganda to say something socialist. its surprisingly hard to come up with something
964877;1420394556;mircea_popescu;adlai i was just discussing teh principle involved.
964878;1420394562;adlai;sure
964879;1420394579;mircea_popescu;thestringpuller now you see how the cult is doing.
964880;1420394657;mircea_popescu;was a funny exercise in "so i shouldn't make emacs easier to use for the people already using it because this will lower the barrier to entry for idiots and ruin the party ? what are you, insane ?"
964881;1420394660;mircea_popescu;pretty good.
964882;1420394678;thestringpuller;VIM 4 LYFE
964883;1420394707;adlai;notepad++!!!!
964884;1420394708;mircea_popescu;(i dun really emacs either)
964885;1420394722;thestringpuller;Random: oh wow this was napex thing right:
964886;1420394722;adlai;emacs is useful for a few things, terrible for most others
964887;1420394724;thestringpuller;http://bravenewcoin.com/news/romanias-only-bitcoin-exchange-shuts-down-due-to-disgruntled-programmer/
964888;1420394729;mircea_popescu;i guess vi + bash is a sort of retarded man's emacs.
964889;1420394734;thestringpuller;Naphex*
964890;1420394761;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo incidentally, qntra ever cover the btcexchange thing ?
964891;1420394767;mircea_popescu;seeing how the exclusive was right here in teh logs
964892;1420394840;thestringpuller;I think cazalla was waiting for more news, and maybe we all forgot?
964893;1420394846;mircea_popescu;i guess.
964894;1420394852;adlai;would qntra be interested in coverage of garza @ btcmiami?
964895;1420394865;mircea_popescu;was easy pickings for an article anyway
964896;1420394871;mircea_popescu;i imagine so.
964897;1420394882;mircea_popescu;cazalla seems to have a hardon for the guy.
964898;1420394888;adlai;irl coverage is less easy pickings
964899;1420394897;mircea_popescu;Pierre_Rochard: Hi, I was starting to miss this place << preach it sistar!
964900;1420394937;thestringpuller;mircea_popescu: just because its old news doesn't mean there still isn't exclusive content to pull from
964901;1420394941;*;adlai should check the schedule, make sure he'll be free for the juicy bits
964902;1420394945;thestringpuller;not as novel tho
964903;1420394950;mircea_popescu;right.
964904;1420395037;mircea_popescu;Pierre_Rochard: that keeps me from opening it myself, but doesn�t keep me off twitter haha << http://scripts.irssi.org/ might halp
964905;1420395039;assbot;Irssi Scripts ... ( http://bit.ly/1xpuxcp )
964906;1420395102;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo: OMG MP vacation has been one of the best things to happen to MPOE price... aside from saving OpenBSD. << my lyf ;/
964907;1420395151;thestringpuller;;;ticker
964908;1420395165;mircea_popescu;nano is apparently on a vacation of his own
964909;1420395169;thestringpuller;XD
964910;1420395179;thestringpuller;nanotube you got some 'splainin to do
964911;1420395225;thestringpuller;the price collapse is amazing, reminds me of October 2012
964912;1420395225;assbot;AMAZING COMPANY!
964913;1420395253;adlai;holy fuck the mop is amazing
964914;1420395253;assbot;AMAZING COMPANY!
964915;1420395261;thestringpuller;^- i partially think this is kako's way to condition us to stop using the world amazing
964916;1420395261;assbot;AMAZING COMPANY!
964917;1420395266;thestringpuller;word*
964918;1420395285;adlai;but some things, like the mop, are truly amazing
964919;1420395285;assbot;AMAZING COMPANY!
964920;1420395415;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform: http://russian.rt.com/article/67122 << another current mega-lol. ua fission plant installs 'westinghouse' fuel rods, begins to leak.  << there's just no way ukraine doesn't end up with another nuclear blast.
964921;1420395418;assbot;На Запорожской АЭС произошла утечка радиации - уровень превышает норму ... ( http://bit.ly/1xpw2rf )
964922;1420395422;mircea_popescu;they're out of power, desperate enough.
964923;1420395691;mircea_popescu;o look at that, the exchanges quoting under 300 ? lol. k.
964924;1420395768;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu> BingoBoingo lol gaw thing has its own forum ? what is this, like ognasty redone ? << Pretty much except redone by seasoned rural telecom bezzel turdmeisters. 3 Years experience or some shit. OgNasty down to the fan club.
964925;1420395777;mircea_popescu;!up MetatronOne
964926;1420395784;mircea_popescu;for crying out loud.
964927;1420395884;MetatronOne;o/
964928;1420395939;mircea_popescu;"I learned a valuable lesson here though. Don�t trust .gitignores and gems like Firago for keeping your data safe,"
964929;1420395947;mircea_popescu;yeah, don't trust ror.
964930;1420396088;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo: Why does my brother pretend he has not the slightest bit of racism in him yet when he moves to the city chooses a Bosnian neighborhood over a black neighborhood? <<< i can see a few reasons right off.
964931;1420396101;mircea_popescu;such as, the womenz. maybe he ran into a few adolescent bosniac sluts on his recon visit
964932;1420396209;mircea_popescu;now with illustrations : http://www.cumonmy.com/galleries/2014-updates/01-001-pussy-ass-beach-janelle/Nude-Beach-Girls-Update/teen/nude-beach-girls-babes-young-teen-girls-beach-ocean-naked-free-porn-cumonmy-com-044.jpg
964933;1420396210;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1xpzBO8 )
964934;1420396233;Naphex;gribble down?
964935;1420396254;mircea_popescu;myeah.
964936;1420396278;Naphex;;/
964937;1420396318;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu> BingoBoingo incidentally, qntra ever cover the btcexchange thing ? << In a couple shorter bits. Waiting for another point of lulz inflection to do much more.
964938;1420396372;mircea_popescu;ah k
964939;1420396401;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5723 @ 0.0006447 = 3.6896 BTC [+]
964940;1420396491;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform wait, so your SO is a black girl ?
964941;1420397016;mircea_popescu;kakobrekla: he ragequit ? << prolly related to http://trilema.com/2014/waroflife-swol-october-2014-statement-closing/#comment-109550
964942;1420397017;assbot;WarOfLife (S.WOL), October 2014 Statement (closing) pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.  ... ( http://bit.ly/1xpCUEV )
964943;1420397082;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform: kakobrekla: b/c man living as man was meant to << seriously, man was meant to live like that ?! i dunno...
964944;1420397194;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 2110 @ 0.00086513 = 1.8254 BTC [-] {3} 
964945;1420397428;mircea_popescu;TomServo: I'm surprised ol' Brucey Bruce isn't parroting the "OMG NK!!1" line. << "Tellingly, the FBI's press release says that the bureau's conclusion is only based "in part" on these clues. This leaves open the possibility that the government has classified evidence that North Korea is behind the attack. The NSA has been trying to eavesdrop on North Korea's government communications since the Korean War, and it's rea
964946;1420397428;mircea_popescu;sonable to assume that its analysts are in pretty deep. The agency might have intelligence on the planning process for the hack. It might, say, have phone calls discussing the project, weekly PowerPoint status reports, or even Kim Jong Un's sign-off on the plan."
964947;1420397435;mircea_popescu;he;s doing as much of that as he possibly can.
964948;1420397457;mircea_popescu;just... has to cover his bets, because he might be old but he suspects he'll outlive teh muppet show.
964949;1420397480;mircea_popescu;i especially loved the "it might have". yeah, and i might have fucked obama in the ass.
964950;1420397505;mircea_popescu;why not ? maybe he's a gimp slaveboi. he certainly looks it. heck, maybe i put it all on weekly powerpoints.
964951;1420397595;kakobrekla;<mircea_popescu> asciilifeform: kakobrekla: b/c man living as man was meant to << seriously, man was meant to live like that ?! i dunno... < prolly seeing different things in the pic
964952;1420397621;mircea_popescu;i see a bipedal dog.
964953;1420397642;kakobrekla;aha yes its very abstract.
964954;1420397643;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes: gossip from the glider club: guys in construction (yachts etc) are talking about 5% cogs increases every month for the past 3 << translate the significance of this for the aerodynamically innocent ?
964955;1420397664;mircea_popescu;kakobrekla he probably even struggles in opposition of bathing as much as the usual dog.
964956;1420397713;BingoBoingo;https://twitter.com/DarthNull/status/551758629406527488
964957;1420397714;assbot;The hits keep coming. Now /CNN is quoting a parody Twitter account without any kind of fact checking whatsoever. http://t.co/67dFklxBEL
964958;1420397721;kakobrekla;but is he a slave?
964959;1420397737;kakobrekla;and if he is, to whom?
964960;1420397747;mircea_popescu;well i dunno whose shit he's guarding there
964961;1420397755;kakobrekla;anyway ill let ascii argue that one out.
964962;1420397926;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16950 @ 0.00064586 = 10.9473 BTC [+] {3} 
964963;1420398014;mircea_popescu;kakobrekla: so due to this thing called new year there is 57 bets waiting resolution. good luck to the mods. << i'd say they did pretty okay!
964964;1420398043;kakobrekla;my inbox agrees
964965;1420398054;mircea_popescu;fluffypony: cazalla: Gordhan is a smart man, but they're doing exactly as expected - they're just going to copy what everyone else is doing << your definition of smartness is very tolerant.
964966;1420398067;mircea_popescu;kakobrekla only 4565 cookies ?
964967;1420398075;kakobrekla;0 negative cookies
964968;1420398099;fluffypony;mircea_popescu: a street criminal can be smart, not the same as being visionary or being clever :)
964969;1420398105;mircea_popescu;granted.
964970;1420398155;kakobrekla;but the active bets is kinda low, down to 41 also thanks to my 'genius' mandatory zeroconf
964971;1420398365;mircea_popescu;yeah, but the wanna-be soam in comments is up lol
964972;1420398390;kakobrekla;soam?
964973;1420398401;kakobrekla;foam?
964974;1420398403;kakobrekla;scam?
964975;1420398451;mircea_popescu;spam lol
964976;1420398462;kakobrekla;fuck im so irrogant
964977;1420398468;mircea_popescu;"we have a billion bitcoins, can't afford advertising, here's a link you have to c/p"
964978;1420398571;kakobrekla;idk why nobody made a bot yet
964979;1420398597;mircea_popescu;guess.
964980;1420398612;kakobrekla;it cant be.
964981;1420398669;mircea_popescu;o but it is.
964982;1420399366;mircea_popescu;punkman: http://www.pokerstars.gr/en/poker/room/support/pwt-faq/ <- mega lol <<< heh, as if anyone will EVER pay taxed gambling.
964983;1420399366;assbot;Default Heading Text DCR ... ( http://bit.ly/1BxLXm4 )
964984;1420399366;mircea_popescu;idiots.
964985;1420399424;mircea_popescu;xanthyos: thestringpuller: what if we created a #bitcoin-assets pokerstars home game club and had a way that every account generated was tied to a gribble-authed account, and use it as both a gaming platform as well as a record-keeping ledger for off-blockchain track of wins and losses <<< check it out kakobrekla
964986;1420399445;mircea_popescu;yeah, that's an idea we were going to develop but didn't actually get started on.
964987;1420399451;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14192 @ 0.00062857 = 8.9207 BTC [-]
964988;1420399455;mircea_popescu;it's actually a very good idea, and i'd still like to see it done.
964989;1420399626;kakobrekla;any bitcoin poker site already struggles for existence or is half dead or completely dead. adding another barrier to the mix i do not need to continue this sentence.
964990;1420399894;kakobrekla;btc right now is pretty much : you are an exchange or dead or dead exchange
964991;1420399927;mircea_popescu;only because ineptly run.
964992;1420400136;BingoBoingo;http://freekeene.com/2015/01/04/should-protesters-lose-their-gun-rights/
964993;1420400137;assbot;Should Protesters Lose Their Gun Rights? | Free Keene ... ( http://bit.ly/1BxO5dv )
964994;1420400313;mircea_popescu;derp.
964995;1420400329;mircea_popescu;"rights = just like freedom, except when you might need them or wish to use them. then they're like a cock up your ass."
964996;1420400383;adlai;random bit of info, some node claiming to be BTCXchange still running: receive version message: /BTCXchange.ro Mapper:0.01/: version 60000, blocks=230000, peer=85.9.53.226:38151
964997;1420400412;Naphex;it is still running
964998;1420400434;*;adlai hasn't been following the story closely
964999;1420400437;Naphex;everything there is still running
965000;1420400438;Naphex;lol
965001;1420400459;adlai;blocks=230000 is a little worrying >_>
965002;1420400472;Naphex;thats a dnsseed
965003;1420400475;Naphex;it scans nodes
965004;1420400486;Naphex;pings them and stuff and keeps em in a list
965005;1420400504;Naphex;dosn't sync anything, and is just some fake checkpoint reported. it is only interested in the version message
965006;1420400518;[]bot;Bet placed: 2 BTC for No on "S&P 500 to drop under 1700 before March" http://bitbet.us/bet/1087/ Odds: 14(Y):86(N) by coin, 16(Y):84(N) by weight. Total bet: 7.31560018 BTC. Current weight: 76,006.
965007;1420400541;Naphex;but the bitcoin node is running fine from what i can see https://getaddr.bitnodes.io/nodes/85.9.53.226-8333/
965008;1420400541;assbot;85.9.53.226:8333 - Bitnodes ... ( http://bit.ly/1BxP7q1 )
965009;1420400613;*;adlai out to dinner
965010;1420400632;adlai;but thanks for the explanation
965011;1420400639;Naphex;np
965012;1420400854;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10625 @ 0.00065162 = 6.9235 BTC [+]
965013;1420402419;mircea_popescu;"I know the the responsible for the conference, and his integrity is unquestionable."
965014;1420402426;mircea_popescu;reddit is ever lulzy.
965015;1420402474;mircea_popescu;anyway, who is this "integrity unquesitonable" guy we forget to mention ?
965016;1420402490;mircea_popescu;generally that point should be made by the man's name, not by idle adulation by (other) anon entities.
965017;1420402598;kakobrekla;best scammers will walk free
965018;1420402615;mircea_popescu;decimation: I would like to put in a good word for KnC miner.  << so it actually works out to them booking a nominal loss because of spot movement ?
965019;1420402624;mircea_popescu;heh.
965020;1420402786;mircea_popescu;lol ook, buterin, ver and ... wtf is wrong with gallippi ?
965021;1420402804;mircea_popescu;go there hang out with like... all the scammers, all the have-beens and all teh posers ?
965022;1420402871;mircea_popescu;anyway. moe levin. never heard of him.
965023;1420402904;mircea_popescu;(i mean, prior to becoming bitpay ceo)
965024;1420402948;mircea_popescu;cazalla : maybe ask the man where he did his 6 months' study ?
965025;1420403007;mircea_popescu;"We think that a Q&A period, moderated by someone you choose, will provide the proper forum for people to make their voices heard. We think that this layout, instead of a speech, is the appropriate forum."
965026;1420403013;mircea_popescu;having "their voices heard" ? seriously ?
965027;1420403015;mircea_popescu;lol. mmmmkay.
965028;1420403053;mircea_popescu;what are bitcoin people supposed to be, a sort of ferguson negroes, "hey, nothing will happen because reasons, but here, have this tupperware container to scream in."
965029;1420403099;mircea_popescu;thestringpuller: cazalla: "I helped run plenty of conferences." << no, he has a point. that's exactly how that racket works.
965030;1420403385;[]bot;Bet created: "Bitcoin to drop under 200$ before Feb" http://bitbet.us/bet/1095/
965031;1420403395;mircea_popescu;thestringpuller: it's funny how Gavin is all "I want bitcoin to compete with Visa/Mastercard", when anyone in Payment Processing knows those systems are seriously nigga rigged as is. << nobody expects gavin to say something sensible anymore than they'd expect ronald mcdonald to.
965032;1420403400;mircea_popescu;he's the guy in the satoshi costume.
965033;1420403585;[]bot;Bet placed: 1 BTC for Yes on "Bitcoin to drop under 200$ before Feb" http://bitbet.us/bet/1095/ Odds: 94(Y):6(N) by coin, 94(Y):6(N) by weight. Total bet: 1.1 BTC. Current weight: 99,986.
965034;1420404880;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22100 @ 0.00062468 = 13.8054 BTC [-] {3} 
965035;1420408419;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9290 @ 0.00062414 = 5.7983 BTC [-]
965036;1420408940;ben_vulpes;<mircea_popescu> ben_vulpes: translate the significance of this for the aerodynamically innocent ? << less about the aerodynamic stuff; glider guys are wealthy business owners in yacht/building fabrication (among others businesses) and they're complaining about 5% increase in cost of materials everywhere
965037;1420409135;mircea_popescu;ah
965038;1420409216;BingoBoingo;And yet gasoline is now under $2 a gallon here.
965039;1420409228;mircea_popescu;decimation: re: costco & amex << I suspect amex gives costco a deal (pays them) to force a large percentage of the upper-crust customer-base to have an amex card in their wallet << pretty much how that racket goes yes.
965040;1420409234;kakobrekla;lol euro https://charts.mql5.com/6/626/eurusd-h1-worth-ltd-venetfx-3.png
965041;1420409235;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1rUF8v3 )
965042;1420409245;kakobrekla;(just opened)
965043;1420409263;mircea_popescu;lol
965044;1420409399;mircea_popescu;pete_dushenski: but parents who found out that their kids had been disciplined at school often disciplined the kid again at home << pretty much yes.
965045;1420409516;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6000 @ 0.00062683 = 3.761 BTC [+] {2} 
965046;1420409651;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes: it may be unfair to tar all work done since satoshi with the power rangers brush.  <<< term only came of age last year.
965047;1420409699;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18700 @ 0.00062312 = 11.6523 BTC [-] {2} 
965048;1420409980;mircea_popescu;woot all caught up
965049;1420409984;mircea_popescu;;;ping
965050;1420410151;mircea_popescu;http://thebitcoin.foundation/ml/btc-dev/2015-January/000026.html << this is quite splendid.
965051;1420410152;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1rUIVIT )
965052;1420410155;mircea_popescu;well done mod6 an ben_vulpes
965053;1420410169;mircea_popescu;an jurov
965054;1420410178;mircea_popescu;an who else is doing stuffs there
965055;1420410249;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 37404 @ 0.00061065 = 22.8408 BTC [-] {3} 
965056;1420410492;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11800 @ 0.0006014 = 7.0965 BTC [-] {3} 
965057;1420410513;mod6;thanks!
965058;1420410547;adlai;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=04-01-2015#965022 http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=04-01-2015#965023 << afaik moe levin is just the conference organizer, no connection to bitpay beyond accepting their sponsorship
965059;1420410547;assbot;Logged on 04-01-2015 20:21:11; mircea_popescu: anyway. moe levin. never heard of him.
965060;1420410547;assbot;Logged on 04-01-2015 20:21:44; mircea_popescu: (i mean, prior to becoming bitpay ceo)
965061;1420410581;*;adlai is FoaFs with moe, might be introduced at the conference
965062;1420410733;adlai;if nothing else, it should at least be entertaining to see all the scammers up close, something to tell the metaphorical grandkids
965063;1420410828;adlai;bitfinex seeking out new lows!
965064;1420410926;BingoBoingo;adlai> bitfinex seeking out new lows! << Wouldn't be surprised at all of this Bitfinex scouting new lows is them dying.
965065;1420410974;kakobrekla;!up ascii_modem
965066;1420410985;adlai;btc swaps are at an all time high, even if we go lower afterwards, somebody is bound to get hurt by the inevitable bounces on the way
965067;1420410985;kakobrekla;!up joecool
965068;1420410992;ascii_modem;danke kakobrekla
965069;1420410997;adlai;http://bfxdata.com/swapstats/btc.php
965070;1420410998;assbot;Bitfinex Swaps BTC ... ( http://bit.ly/1rUMfni )
965071;1420411010;adlai;ascii_modem: btw lispm still on the block?
965072;1420411026;joecool;kakobrekla: altgribble doesn't work with assbot?
965073;1420411226;ascii_modem;asciilifeform wait, so your SO is a black girl ? <<< nein. but from usa. customized though.
965074;1420411247;ascii_modem;lispm on the block , yes
965075;1420411480;ascii_modem;mircea_popescu:asciilifeform: the confucian kingdoms breathe plagiarism like air. <<< "plagiarism", much like "sins of the flesh", is a construction intended to work as a tool for a very peculiar purpose. <<< i spent years working with folks some of whom fit the pattern: 'yes i got phd for washing glassware for advisor, who let me crib, who in turn cribbed from dr xxxxx himself, of the academy of turdiences'
965076;1420411538;ascii_modem;'plagiarism' may be a 'sin of the flesh', but plagiarists exist just the same as 'wankers' exist.
965077;1420411601;ascii_modem;and are pathetic specimens of animal
965078;1420411752;ascii_modem;http://libv.livejournal.com <<< tremendously important ( and tremendously wrongheaded ) piece. points to the folly of continuing to see the world in the enemy's framing.
965079;1420411755;assbot;LIBV Intentionally Breaks Videodrivers ... ( http://bit.ly/1rUOsz8 )
965080;1420411822;ascii_modem;fiat law apparatus is not an authority to be respected, but a military enemy that wants to render you for your body fat and deserves the same respect that dog owes dogcatcher, or jew - the nazi polizei
965081;1420411891;ascii_modem;i'll rub it in for the thick:
965082;1420411920;kakobrekla;joecool who runs alt gribble
965083;1420411948;joecool;kakobrekla: rbecker
965084;1420411948;ascii_modem;if you're an 'open source' whateverthefux, and you give a fuck that your code 'is legal' - just surrender to jail now. save the bother.
965085;1420411971;ascii_modem;it will -all- be 'terrorism' soon enough.
965086;1420412055;ascii_modem;punkman: mpeg2 license key <<< afaik -all- extant arm cpu include sub-cores running mystery turds, such as that one.
965087;1420412084;kakobrekla;;;gettrust assbot rbecker
965088;1420412093;kakobrekla;doesnt work!
965089;1420412097;kakobrekla;i dont trust him.
965090;1420412254;ascii_modem;i don't comprehend this "have to decrypt disk" bs. <<< again we can apply above principle. everybody complaining about the disk arse search - stop imagining that you have 'rights' and start apprehending the fact that you are being pursued by maniacs who will eventually like to turn you into a lampshade.
965091;1420412297;joecool;kakobrekla: altgribble isn't in here
965092;1420412309;joecool;it's in #bitcoin-otc currently handling auth there
965093;1420412322;ascii_modem;arguments have never stood between any one at all becoming a lampshade.
965094;1420412327;joecool;worked there
965095;1420412334;ascii_modem;or having disk searched
965096;1420412369;ben_vulpes;i don't get it either, ascii_modem. who takes drugs into planes in plainly labled "DRUGS" canisters?
965097;1420412387;ascii_modem;lol
965098;1420412530;cazalla;gee, now i'm dreaming about garza, God help me
965099;1420412584;ben_vulpes;<mircea_popescu> [] well done mod6 an ben_vulpes << pshaw i'm entirely tangent; mod6 does all the heavy lifting.
965100;1420412603;ben_vulpes;i just read cpp and overflow mod6's buffer with bad ideas
965101;1420412656;ben_vulpes;<ascii_modem> [] lispm on the block , yes << what does this mean?
965102;1420412742;ascii_modem;reply to adlai
965103;1420412757;ben_vulpes;ah i see
965104;1420412786;adlai;[auction] block
965105;1420412788;adlai;ie, for sale
965106;1420412798;ascii_modem;i happen to own a lispm. and it is (still) for sale.
965107;1420412818;adlai;kakobrekla pls
965108;1420412827;adlai;!up ascii_modem
965109;1420412832;ascii_modem;ty
965110;1420412832;adlai;ah nice
965111;1420412886;ben_vulpes;yes gents i understand all of this
965112;1420412893;ben_vulpes;i too, read logs.
965113;1420412993;kakobrekla;leave me alone.
965114;1420412993;adlai;:+o
965115;1420413001;ascii_modem;lol
965116;1420413421;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21550 @ 0.00059766 = 12.8796 BTC [-] {2} 
965117;1420413592;cazalla;mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo incidentally, qntra ever cover the btcexchange thing ? <<< BingoBoingo covered it in December, http://qntra.net/2014/12/btcxchange-ro-dispute-heats-up/
965118;1420413592;assbot;btcXchange.ro Dispute Heats Up | Qntra.net ... ( http://bit.ly/1yplN7H )
965119;1420413691;cazalla;if memory serves, BingoBoingo seemed to think either side could be bullshitting
965120;1420413710;decimation;ascii_modem: did some reading about the metaobject protocol
965121;1420413727;decimation;it seems that the main author has gone on to champion 'aspect oriented programming'
965122;1420413888;adlai;... as a trivial extension when your language has a MOP
965123;1420413916;adlai;kinda like championing OO, where appropriate, as a special case of closures, assuming your language supports the latter
965124;1420414030;decimation;yeah from what I gather, AOP is kind of a dumbed-down MOP
965125;1420414108;decimation;basically it's just monkey-patching classes with bits of code that can be maintained in one spot
965126;1420414128;cazalla;adlai: would qntra be interested in coverage of garza @ btcmiami? <<< i wouldn't ask of you to waste your time doing that, it is already established he is a liar and a bad one at that, no point covering a debate of which lies can be wormed out of
965127;1420414183;decimation;adlai: there seems to be a long history of people coming up with good ideas in lisp, and then spending the rest of their lives trying to get other languages to support small pieces of said idea
965128;1420414193;cazalla;adlai: if nothing else, it should at least be entertaining to see all the scammers up close, something to tell the metaphorical grandkids <<< if you can remember their name that long but doubt it
965129;1420414318;adlai;january's lemons have taken the form of btcmiami tickets, flights included. shouldn't be too big a request from the benefactor to spend a few hours snooping around the shillcoin booth/talks
965130;1420414373;decimation;adlai: if you plan on making recordings, beware that florida has a two-party consent law: http://www.dmlp.org/legal-guide/florida-recording-law << it's a felony to make recordings of a conversation without both parties consenting
965131;1420414374;assbot;Florida Recording Law | Digital Media Law Project ... ( http://bit.ly/1ypo9DB )
965132;1420414397;adlai;ok, i'll make sure to plug my ears before entering the conference grounds
965133;1420414403;decimation;hehe
965134;1420414420;adlai;but thanks for the heads up ):
965135;1420414425;adlai;er that was supposed to be a :)
965136;1420414439;decimation;such a law is obviously intended to protect criminals (politicians, bureaucrats)
965137;1420414633;adlai;"Florida law makes an exception for in-person communications when the parties do not have a reasonable expectation of privacy in the conversation, such as when they are engaged in conversation in a public place where they might reasonably be overheard. If you are operating in Florida, you may record these kinds of in-person conversations without breaking the law." <- pretty sure that covers anything
965138;1420414635;adlai;that happens at a conference
965139;1420414649;ben_vulpes;!up ascii_
965140;1420414651;ben_vulpes;!up ascii_modem
965141;1420414673;decimation;adlai: us law has a funny way of being misinterpreted by those to whom it would advantage
965142;1420414809;decimation;for instance, what do you think "public meeting" means?
965143;1420414811;adlai;moe levin (conference organizer) has already gone on the public record saying that talks and Q&A sessions will be recorded and recordings subsequently uploaded, further eroding whatever "reasonable expectation of privacy" could be claimed
965144;1420414865;decimation;that's probably reasonable, but other conversations would not be covered under the same exception
965145;1420414939;adlai;good thing that the exception covers all conversations where you could be overheard, rather than just "public meetings"
965146;1420415193;decimation;yes, but my point is that if a policeman is so inclined, he may throw you in jail, charge you, and you get to make these kinds of arguments to a local prosecutor and then maybe a judge
965147;1420415754;decimation;ben_vulpes: do you fly gliders?  that's a neat hobby
965148;1420415831;ben_vulpes;not i but a good friend.
965149;1420415852;decimation;my only problem is that it seems somewhat dangerous
965150;1420416227;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11500 @ 0.00062951 = 7.2394 BTC [+] {2} 
965151;1420416545;adlai;the easy way to prevent that is just not to record anything myself
965152;1420416583;adlai;whether the idea of recording the talk is sufficiently incepted in the public's mind that several random audience members are likely to have recorded - is another matter
965153;1420416653;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 28 @ 0.10920538 = 3.0578 BTC [-] {5} 
965154;1420417054;ascii_modem;florida law re: recording scamz0rz << see earlier thread re: correct attitude to law.
965155;1420417140;adlai;!s correct attitude law from:ascii
965156;1420417141;assbot;0 results for 'correct attitude law from:ascii' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=correct+attitude+law+from%3Aascii
965157;1420417188;ascii_modem;i am quite certain that, e.g., iran, has even more interesting laws. with even stiffer punishments for disobedience. should we all hire iranian lawyers, avoid ending up on heads-off ?
965158;1420417246;ascii_modem;adlai: log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=04-01-2015#965080 and below.
965159;1420417303;adlai;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=04-01-2015#965084 << what's the problem with open source?
965160;1420417303;assbot;Logged on 04-01-2015 22:52:28; ascii_modem: if you're an 'open source' whateverthefux, and you give a fuck that your code 'is legal' - just surrender to jail now. save the bother.
965161;1420417316;ascii_modem;not with open source
965162;1420417341;*;adlai goes searching for context
965163;1420417368;ascii_modem;but with respecting tyrants who propose to say that writing some code is permissible , other kinds - not
965164;1420417429;ascii_modem;e.g. 'software patent'
965165;1420417631;ascii_modem;linked article was similar to a turd that made the rounds back when w2k source leake
965166;1420417640;ascii_modem;'don't read it, you'll be tainted for life and can never be a legit open source dev again'
965167;1420417681;decimation;ascii_modem: in the earlier case of recording, my answer is: yes, you probably ought to have an iranian lawyer (or a plan to get one) if you find yourself physically in iran
965168;1420417699;ascii_modem;better to get a plane ticket out.
965169;1420417714;ascii_modem;or boat, or rocket, whatever
965170;1420417715;decimation;agreed, but to shift to your point about code - where?
965171;1420417733;ascii_modem;one step ahead of pursuers.
965172;1420417751;ascii_modem;that is the only 'where'.
965173;1420417822;ascii_modem;i'll point out that it is not hard at all to crap out however much 'illegal1111!' code you want, anywhere on planet, at no risk to your health
965174;1420417850;ascii_modem;!s if you think, don't write
965175;1420417851;assbot;2 results for 'if you think, don't write' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=if+you+think%2C+don%27t+write
965176;1420417872;adlai;my favorite nonsense was an internal usg email during the snowden leaks, advising employees not to read the leaked document on unclassified workstations lacking necessary clearance to view the doc
965177;1420417891;ascii_modem;this predates snowden
965178;1420417905;ascii_modem;dates to at least 'wikileaks'
965179;1420417920;decimation;w.r.t. to the link you posted about the guy warning not to reverse engineer drivers, his point about the pointlessness of the endeavor seems well-founded
965180;1420417927;adlai;https://www.schneier.com/blog/archives/2013/07/dhs_puts_its_he.html
965181;1420417929;assbot;Schneier on Security: DHS Puts its Head in the Sand ... ( http://bit.ly/1IdGtzg )
965182;1420417958;ascii_modem;decimation: he was entirely wrong about the -why- pointless
965183;1420417978;thestringpuller;ascii from da past
965184;1420417982;decimation;house of cards microcode shitware?
965185;1420418031;decimation;adlai: you can see how it would be much more difficult for usg to actually coordinate which secrets are 'released' and which ones are 'secret'
965186;1420418035;decimation;it's easier to pretend.
965187;1420418047;ascii_modem;the audience can't do jack shit to bring sane silicon into being. but it can actively and maximally destructively piss on 'intellectual property' and related usg crown privilege.
965188;1420418076;thestringpuller;cazalla: you still around?
965189;1420418085;cazalla;thestringpuller, yup, what's up
965190;1420418102;ascii_modem;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=04-01-2015#964832
965191;1420418102;assbot;Logged on 04-01-2015 17:47:10; mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo: But... the 3d printed gun dude says burn it all down is an ideology... << i agree. it is.
965192;1420418122;thestringpuller;pokemon: i must catch them all
965193;1420418169;cazalla;thestringpuller, cbf this morning, didn't get to bed till 4am and i'm still a bit tired
965194;1420418185;thestringpuller;;;ls
965195;1420418195;thestringpuller;nanotube still on vacation?
965196;1420418270;decimation;http://www.nytimes.com/2015/01/04/opinion/sunday/how-my-mom-got-hacked.html << more pro-military-industrial-complex propaganda
965197;1420418273;assbot;Log In - The New York Times ... ( http://bit.ly/1IdHuaO )
965198;1420418401;adlai;btce still leading the light brigade
965199;1420418415;ascii_modem;drivers << presently the open source folks have two choices - open mouth and wait for rain, in the sahara; or cut enemy throat and drink up.
965200;1420418452;decimation;third choice: make own hardware using fpgas (yes, I remember past fpga threads)
965201;1420418474;ascii_modem;make own planet too, while at it
965202;1420418611;kakobrekla;ill throw some dirt towards that.
965203;1420418631;ascii_modem;!s sdram controller
965204;1420418632;assbot;5 results for 'sdram controller' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=sdram+controller
965205;1420418636;ascii_modem;etc
965206;1420418654;kakobrekla;was talking about the planet.
965207;1420418775;ascii_modem;folks who bring up fpga as a solution - straight to ebay, pick up a board, see if you can bake so much as an i386 compatible, with at least the original's performance, -without- the fpga vendor's closed libraries
965208;1420418813;ascii_modem;with them, it is quite the same as using 'evil' modern silicon
965209;1420421390;thestringpuller;Chairman Popescu.
965210;1420421394;*;thestringpuller tips hat
965211;1420421405;Apocalyptic;!up mircea_popescu
965212;1420421431;Apocalyptic;still no gribble eh
965213;1420422006;thestringpuller;yea no one knows where he is
965214;1420422184;mircea_popescu;heya & thanks
965215;1420422209;ben_vulpes;dag. looks like this irc thinger's getting fragile.
965216;1420422210;ben_vulpes;mircea_popescu: did anything come of your conversations with "t"?
965217;1420422228;mircea_popescu;no.
965218;1420422232;mircea_popescu;i see guy's still idling here tho
965219;1420422251;mircea_popescu;but anyway, since we're on it : anyone wish to write a proper ircd ?
965220;1420422258;mircea_popescu;ima make a spec for it.
965221;1420422260;ben_vulpes;and a bouncer, while we're at it.
965222;1420422265;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6142 @ 0.00064049 = 3.9339 BTC [+]
965223;1420422283;thestringpuller;ircd?
965224;1420422288;ben_vulpes;znc is broken flaky hellspawn.
965225;1420422305;mircea_popescu;yeah. i guess this calls for a whole new category on trilema.
965226;1420422321;mircea_popescu;ima do it once done with reports, announcements and other first of month stuff
965227;1420422359;ben_vulpes;"shit mp wants built"
965228;1420422361;mircea_popescu;the thing where i put it in a pastedbin dun work, im sick of looking up the url for the deedbot one.
965229;1420422375;mircea_popescu;cazalla qntra wordcounts ?
965230;1420422553;thestringpuller;mircea_popescu: those have been up since the 1st: http://qntra.net/2015/01/qntra-s-qntr-december-2014-statement/
965231;1420422599;ben_vulpes;is there a pompous name for the l2 list? the dukes?
965232;1420422622;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes lordship list, sure
965233;1420422627;mircea_popescu;oh ty thestringpuller
965234;1420422636;ben_vulpes;mircea_popescu: l1's the lordship list?
965235;1420422643;mircea_popescu;ah yes my bad.
965236;1420422652;mircea_popescu;teh... knighthood ?
965237;1420422662;ben_vulpes;the peerage?
965238;1420422665;mircea_popescu;most honorable order of teh bath ?
965239;1420422702;mircea_popescu;speaking of which... http://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orden_del_Baño‎
965240;1420422705;assbot;Orden del Baño - Wikipedia, la enciclopedia libre ... ( http://bit.ly/1zN9WMa )
965241;1420422709;mircea_popescu;because we translate proper nouns now.
965242;1420422751;ben_vulpes;ooh most noble order of the garter
965243;1420422774;ben_vulpes;garter snakes hueeee
965244;1420422790;mircea_popescu;lol works
965245;1420422800;ben_vulpes;no its horrible
965246;1420422846;mircea_popescu;"the cult" ?
965247;1420422858;ben_vulpes;"the hoplites"?
965248;1420422862;mircea_popescu;then the verb for joining could be "cultured"
965249;1420422878;ben_vulpes;ew.
965250;1420422904;mircea_popescu;i dunno, ask tat, he's the naming fiend.
965251;1420422912;mircea_popescu;or mebbe hanbot
965252;1420422947;mircea_popescu;wow check out mike_c dominate the qntra wordcounts in dec.
965253;1420423055;Apocalyptic;you're probably looking at the first bytes of the fingerprint, not his wordcount heh
965254;1420423060;Apocalyptic;happened to me too
965255;1420423068;thestringpuller;XD
965256;1420423074;mircea_popescu;oh oh lol
965257;1420423076;mircea_popescu;oops
965258;1420423077;thestringpuller;where has TaT been?
965259;1420423175;mircea_popescu;ascii_modem: 'plagiarism' may be a 'sin of the flesh', but plagiarists exist just the same as 'wankers' exist. << not what i meant. what i meant was the construct's nonsense.
965260;1420423195;mircea_popescu;there is no such thing as "plagiarism" anymore than there's burning bushes or actual sides of christmeat.
965261;1420423256;thestringpuller;!up mircea_popescu
965262;1420423430;mircea_popescu;whaty's this altgribble thing ?
965263;1420423473;kakobrekla;someone runs a gribble clone
965264;1420423486;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6800 @ 0.00063347 = 4.3076 BTC [-]
965265;1420423682;mircea_popescu;but how is this possible ?
965266;1420423691;mircea_popescu;i mean... if you rate with it, it updates the db ?
965267;1420423696;Apocalyptic;nope
965268;1420423698;kakobrekla;i guess you cant rate
965269;1420423701;Apocalyptic;you can't rate
965270;1420423706;kakobrekla;see
965271;1420423715;kakobrekla;my guess is better than sexyginger
965272;1420423733;Apocalyptic;dat kako
965273;1420423752;mircea_popescu;decimation: such a law is obviously intended to protect criminals (politicians, bureaucrats) <<< or young women having casual sex.
965274;1420423757;scoopbot;New post on Trilema by Mircea Popescu: http://trilema.com/2015/mpif-fmpif-december-2014-statement/
965275;1420423766;mircea_popescu;so basically it doesn't do anything.
965276;1420423773;mircea_popescu;why'd i trust it's "registered" claims.
965277;1420423822;mircea_popescu;decimation: my only problem is that it seems somewhat dangerous << from what i hear it's actually safer than flying planes.
965278;1420423937;ben_vulpes;!up Phraust
965279;1420423945;Phraust;:)
965280;1420424012;mircea_popescu;"moms who persist in using big, boxy PC computers and small-town police departments."
965281;1420424016;mircea_popescu;fucking idiots these people.
965282;1420424021;mircea_popescu;my computer is "big, boxy PC"
965283;1420424038;mircea_popescu;and it shits on his useless applepad or  whatever the fuck it is.
965284;1420424048;mircea_popescu;how goes Phoebus
965285;1420424052;mircea_popescu;i mean Phraust
965286;1420424066;mircea_popescu;"So what can we all do to protect ourselves? Keep our computers backed up on an independent drive or by using a cloud backup service like Carbonite, take those software update and �patch� alerts seriously"
965287;1420424070;mircea_popescu;mno. but anyway.
965288;1420424086;Phraust;not bad.  livin' the dream :D
965289;1420424110;Phraust;finally got time to irc again.  what's been crackin'?
965290;1420424121;mircea_popescu;"Welcome to the new ransomware economy, where hackers have a reputation to consider." "welcome to the post-modern world, where 'criminals' are more reliable than governments, and certainly more useful."
965291;1420424145;mircea_popescu;Phraust not much really. same old bs, restated in all seriousness by a new generation of turnips.
965292;1420424179;*;Phraust nods.
965293;1420424191;Phraust;THings just ain't the same for gangsters.
965294;1420424269;mircea_popescu;just as an idle exercise, imagine how that article'd have sounded if the criminals were some usg agency, stealing the woman's drive and not giving it back.
965295;1420424279;mircea_popescu;i seem to recall a bunch of these, and they're all fucking respectful.
965296;1420424286;mircea_popescu;time for a tone change, mainstream media.
965297;1420425004;kakobrekla;!up PinkPosixPXE
965298;1420425086;ben_vulpes;!up mircea_popescu
965299;1420425193;PinkPosixPXE;thank you
965300;1420425200;ben_vulpes;how've you been?
965301;1420425284;PinkPosixPXE;oh man.. I've been helping my friend who runs a VPS provider, gigebox.com, migrate everything to a new host node
965302;1420425287;PinkPosixPXE;all his containers
965303;1420425298;mircea_popescu;o hey, PinkPosixPXE
965304;1420425309;PinkPosixPXE;and wrote an ipv6_ddos mitigations cript
965305;1420425311;PinkPosixPXE;script
965306;1420425312;PinkPosixPXE;for him
965307;1420425314;ben_vulpes;that's a shitload of work yow
965308;1420425318;mircea_popescu;is it any good ?
965309;1420425320;PinkPosixPXE;ovh works for our ipv4 stuff
965310;1420425320;cazalla;mircea_popescu, posted 5 days ago http://qntra.net/2015/01/qntra-s-qntr-december-2014-statement/
965311;1420425320;assbot;Qntra (S.QNTR) December 2014 Statement | Qntra.net ... ( http://bit.ly/1Aulvf9 )
965312;1420425346;ben_vulpes;i've been digging through https://twitter.com/ipxcore/ (ghetto vps) for uptime gems
965313;1420425348;assbot;IPXcore (@ipxcore) | Twitter ... ( http://bit.ly/1AulBU2 )
965314;1420425354;PinkPosixPXE;but ipv6 is more difficult, so this does a count on the packets, and if it exceeds the limit, it finds the ipv6 address, and vps in question, and then disables those addresses on the vps so they can't be targetted
965315;1420425355;mircea_popescu;cazalla yeah i see. qntra is so successful i got lost among the articles :)
965316;1420425382;mircea_popescu;PinkPosixPXE doesn't sound like much mitigation.
965317;1420425383;PinkPosixPXE;I'm going to update it to set a timer to re enable them after a certain period of time and do some updates to it, but it's been keeping things up for the last few weeks
965318;1420425409;PinkPosixPXE;well when the packet limit is breached, usually the vps will be suspended
965319;1420425411;cazalla;mircea_popescu, i was first! as they say, some people are so far behind the race that they actually believe they are leading :P
965320;1420425416;PinkPosixPXE;automatically
965321;1420425417;mircea_popescu;lol
965322;1420425421;ben_vulpes;PinkPosixPXE: is this for outbound ddossing?
965323;1420425435;PinkPosixPXE;this ensure the vps won't be suspended, and just removes the target ipv6 ips
965324;1420425445;PinkPosixPXE;until the attack stops
965325;1420425464;PinkPosixPXE;it's a better solution for customers than 'container susspended again'
965326;1420425466;PinkPosixPXE;suspended*
965327;1420425482;PinkPosixPXE;sorry, been migrating and snapshotting containers to this new server all day
965328;1420425482;mircea_popescu;PinkPosixPXE how about write the script so that you keep track of foreign hosts, and once packet limit is reached for a vps all foreign hosts that aren't on the list of hosts it connected in the past 24 hours get banned across the entire network ?
965329;1420425528;PinkPosixPXE;the attacks are all .cap'd and then the ip's are all reported to ovh to be added to ddos mitigation
965330;1420425529;mircea_popescu;"oh, i see you're trying to connect to a vps that a) you've not connected before and b) is being attacked ? come back next week."
965331;1420425534;PinkPosixPXE;and a null route is put in place as well
965332;1420425539;PinkPosixPXE;but often times they are spoofed source ip's
965333;1420425547;PinkPosixPXE;so that can sometimes be ineffective long term
965334;1420425551;mircea_popescu;why is ovh allowing spoofs inside ?
965335;1420425560;mircea_popescu;nm. ovh.
965336;1420425573;PinkPosixPXE;ipv6 ddos attacks are just a pain all around
965337;1420425580;PinkPosixPXE;it's a different beast
965338;1420425594;PinkPosixPXE;this runs on the host node
965339;1420425663;PinkPosixPXE;this way people can still get on their nodes, and are just informed that we've removed a few ipv6 addresses that were being attacked.. instead of their node being suspended and shut off, and they are then freaking out
965340;1420425681;PinkPosixPXE;and before long the addresses come back up when the attack dies down
965341;1420425682;PinkPosixPXE;anywho
965342;1420425692;PinkPosixPXE;it is a band-aid until we can figure something better out
965343;1420425726;PinkPosixPXE;but it saved our butts quite a bit over the last few weeks
965344;1420425744;PinkPosixPXE;and this isn't exactly how I'd setup vps hosting
965345;1420425763;PinkPosixPXE;I have 3 vps' at a very large (Free) discount with this provider
965346;1420425767;PinkPosixPXE;and root on the host node
965347;1420425781;PinkPosixPXE;and made a migration script for us to migrate to the new node, helped him pick it out
965348;1420425792;PinkPosixPXE;I'm learning how sloppy some of it is
965349;1420425823;PinkPosixPXE;I will probably eventually buy a dedi that's a bit better than the our new one
965350;1420425831;PinkPosixPXE;and split off my own vps services
965351;1420425833;ben_vulpes;here's to dedis
965352;1420425835;PinkPosixPXE;on my own host
965353;1420425852;PinkPosixPXE;but that's down the road a month at least
965354;1420425861;ben_vulpes;PinkPosixPXE: you launch a VPS service, take BTC (don't even denominate in BTC), and you've got custom right here.
965355;1420425875;PinkPosixPXE;yea, I was thinking about that
965356;1420425882;PinkPosixPXE;and I plan to offer BTC as payment
965357;1420425895;PinkPosixPXE;as well as DDOS mitigation, and of course ipv6
965358;1420425935;PinkPosixPXE;now that I've helped run, and in some ways rescue this vps provider
965359;1420425944;ben_vulpes;if you can afford to denominate in btc...
965360;1420425947;ben_vulpes;gamechanger right there.
965361;1420425948;PinkPosixPXE;and get the migrations streamlined to the new host
965362;1420425960;PinkPosixPXE;I can see where I can put together a much better product
965363;1420425980;kakobrekla;see what i told you, wife material right there.
965364;1420426011;PinkPosixPXE;yea, after I wrote the vps migrate script for him today
965365;1420426013;ben_vulpes;!s wife material
965366;1420426014;assbot;1 results for 'wife material' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=wife+material
965367;1420426015;PinkPosixPXE;after we migrated a few
965368;1420426022;PinkPosixPXE;and fixed about 10 issues he ran into within 5 minutes
965369;1420426027;PinkPosixPXE;but mostly after the script
965370;1420426034;PinkPosixPXE;he said he was going to force me to marry him one day
965371;1420426038;PinkPosixPXE;and that it may be by gunpoint
965372;1420426049;ben_vulpes;good thing you've got your own equalizer then huh
965373;1420426062;PinkPosixPXE;yep haha
965374;1420426069;PinkPosixPXE;I'm probably a better shot too :x
965375;1420426091;BingoBoingo;That helps.
965376;1420426162;PinkPosixPXE;ben_vulpes: I might need you (or some of you guys) as resources regarding I ensure I setup my bitcoin merchanting properly
965377;1420426165;PinkPosixPXE;I've done some research
965378;1420426169;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3300 @ 0.00064049 = 2.1136 BTC [+]
965379;1420426177;PinkPosixPXE;and know how to add it
965380;1420426186;ben_vulpes;are you planning to convert directly to fiat?
965381;1420426200;kakobrekla;he means if you gonna be a bitch!
965382;1420426217;PinkPosixPXE;I will probably have a recurring tool that converst a portion of it to fiat
965383;1420426223;PinkPosixPXE;converts*
965384;1420426241;PinkPosixPXE;I wouldn't make it all fiat
965385;1420426248;PinkPosixPXE;I'm not bailing on bitcoin
965386;1420426252;PinkPosixPXE;recent drops don't scare me
965387;1420426255;kakobrekla;its ok hon you can be honest here. :)
965388;1420426273;PinkPosixPXE;in fact, I've been buying more as it's gone down
965389;1420426278;PinkPosixPXE;it's the holidays..
965390;1420426296;ben_vulpes;PinkPosixPXE: the simplest and most robust approach is going to be to quote specific prices and have that exact qty remitted to an addr of your control
965391;1420426304;ben_vulpes;use a btcd to watch incoming blocks for confirmations
965392;1420426336;ben_vulpes;there's some bookkeeping to be done in terms of counters in the itty bitty satoshis, to avoid dup transaction amounts
965393;1420426339;PinkPosixPXE;ok, that makes sense.. so basically I can keep the bitcoin price in flux with what the current price is
965394;1420426349;PinkPosixPXE;BTC match up to current USD
965395;1420426353;ben_vulpes;right
965396;1420426354;PinkPosixPXE;or whatever currency
965397;1420426356;ben_vulpes;that's your quoting logic
965398;1420426362;PinkPosixPXE;yea, that shouldn't be too bad, sweet
965399;1420426363;ben_vulpes;totally orthogonal to the accepting of bitcoin
965400;1420426381;PinkPosixPXE;yea, I've noticed it where I shop using bitcoin quite a bit
965401;1420426403;ben_vulpes;what you *don't* want to do is send each txn to seperate addrs.
965402;1420426407;ben_vulpes;you could, ofc.
965403;1420426430;ben_vulpes;there are clever things you could do with hashing the order and using that as a private key for receipts or something like that...
965404;1420426431;ben_vulpes;but don't.
965405;1420426443;PinkPosixPXE;ok, good to know
965406;1420426453;PinkPosixPXE;yea, these were some of the things I was curious about
965407;1420426473;ben_vulpes;don't depend on an external api to monitor the blockchain
965408;1420426485;ben_vulpes;use bitcoin-rpc calls to watch for incoming blocks, scrape for txns to your addr
965409;1420426497;ben_vulpes;and don't put the key anywhere near that bitcoind
965410;1420426498;kakobrekla;wait whut is this no separate address bsns
965411;1420426501;PinkPosixPXE;oh yea, api -> webapp -> blochain updates.. too slow
965412;1420426504;PinkPosixPXE;that makes sense
965413;1420426515;ben_vulpes;kakobrekla: do whatever you want, cartman
965414;1420426532;ben_vulpes;you have a thing that works, congrats.
965415;1420426546;kakobrekla;??
965416;1420426551;ben_vulpes;http://bitbet.us ??
965417;1420426552;assbot;BitBet ... ( http://bit.ly/1Ie6Bdl )
965418;1420426583;kakobrekla;i dont understand y no unique address per order?
965419;1420426598;ben_vulpes;why bother?
965420;1420426599;PinkPosixPXE;I wonder if I should buy a bitcoin now
965421;1420426602;PinkPosixPXE;or wait for it to drop a bit more
965422;1420426620;kakobrekla;wait for 2$.
965423;1420426667;PinkPosixPXE;200 ?
965424;1420426677;kakobrekla;myea i guess
965425;1420426685;PinkPosixPXE;I might buy at 250.. as long as it keeps trending back up
965426;1420426706;PinkPosixPXE;we'll see
965427;1420426714;PinkPosixPXE;glad I didn't buy when it dropped to 310 last week
965428;1420426720;PinkPosixPXE;and waited a bit
965429;1420426726;ben_vulpes;i just want more coins plz
965430;1420426769;PinkPosixPXE;hehe
965431;1420426904;kakobrekla;anyway my suggestion: give unique address for each palyment which you monitor for certain period of time. if you use bit32 you can generate new addresses on the fly on the server without private key or else pregenerate them and throw them in db
965432;1420426909;kakobrekla;!up PinkPosixPXE
965433;1420426925;kakobrekla;bip32
965434;1420426935;PinkPosixPXE;thanks
965435;1420426944;PinkPosixPXE;is assbot not talking to altgribble yet?
965436;1420426953;kakobrekla;its not a 'yet' thing.
965437;1420426958;PinkPosixPXE;ah ok
965438;1420427000;BingoBoingo;!up mircea_popescu
965439;1420427000;mircea_popescu;PinkPosixPXE aha i see.
965440;1420427011;kakobrekla;you dont need to voice him he is opped
965441;1420427032;mircea_popescu;PinkPosixPXE how about i buy you some dedis and you admin them and run a host for btc business ?
965442;1420427035;kakobrekla;!down mircea_popescu
965443;1420427039;kakobrekla;see.
965444;1420427056;mircea_popescu;haet
965445;1420427295;PinkPosixPXE;you would put the initial investment in the dedi's? teh competitively priced ones might be in the arena of $300-400/mo to rent depending upon how competitive I want my services to be, and I will probably be buying something through voxility
965446;1420427311;PinkPosixPXE;I want 10gbps, but I can offer low end as well
965447;1420427328;PinkPosixPXE;but I want high end and ddos mitigation, etc. available as well
965448;1420427350;PinkPosixPXE;It would depend
965449;1420427417;PinkPosixPXE;technically, I can finance it on my own, but I guess I'm still in the process of working out the details, and I guess regardless, I just need to make sure all the time and work I put into admining everything is getting me money and setting me up for some independence career wise
965450;1420427431;ben_vulpes;run 'em in parallel.
965451;1420427461;ben_vulpes;finance your fiat VPS situation yourself, and run it in parallel with the BTC VPS MP wants to finance.
965452;1420427507;*;ben_vulpes is off for a bit
965453;1420427520;PinkPosixPXE;right now, I've spent so much time and energy through the holidays helping this provider/friend, and while I'll probably get an endless supply of vps resources from him at a prorated "nothing" .. I need to setup a business and direction for the future of my own thing, or at least make money when I output time/work
965454;1420427531;PinkPosixPXE;I could potentially do that
965455;1420427537;PinkPosixPXE;since I'd be setting things up identically
965456;1420427545;PinkPosixPXE;but would have to see
965457;1420427552;PinkPosixPXE;the time commit is a big consideratio
965458;1420427574;PinkPosixPXE;with so many projects, I have to make sure I can get everything taken care of
965459;1420427622;PinkPosixPXE;but that's a great idea, and an offer I'd definitely be interested in potentially pursuing, and discussing further with you mircea_popescu
965460;1420427656;PinkPosixPXE;I just need to do a little math on 'units of time/energ/projects' and potential independence from my day job at some point so I have more time
965461;1420427687;PinkPosixPXE;but it's defiitely gaining momentum, and with time, it'll happen
965462;1420427697;PinkPosixPXE;I want to make sur eI can offer both offshore and us hosting as well
965463;1420427704;PinkPosixPXE;so that's another thing I'll be working on
965464;1420427721;PinkPosixPXE;anywho.. I better get back to helping them with these migrations
965465;1420427733;PinkPosixPXE;30 minute break, and they are already pinging for my help
965466;1420427743;kakobrekla;good luck
965467;1420427799;PinkPosixPXE;thank you! It was good to chat with you guys again and check in.. I may disappear a bit later when we move my vps because we have to do an offline migration, but I'll always return, and be around :)
965468;1420427815;mircea_popescu;PinkPosixPXE cool.
965469;1420428267;mircea_popescu;!up mapop
965470;1420428295;mircea_popescu;PinkPosixPXE if it's like 3-400 how about getting a pair.
965471;1420429577;thestringpuller;@up PinkPosixPXE
965472;1420429580;thestringpuller;!up PinkPosixPXE
965473;1420429840;cazalla;anyone have a bitstamp account an able to confirm if they sent out an email 30m ago?
965474;1420430869;thestringpuller;not that i see
965475;1420430943;BingoBoingo;!up ascii_modem
965476;1420430950;BingoBoingo;scoopbot -fetch
965477;1420430985;ascii_modem;ty BingoBoingo
965478;1420430999;BingoBoingo;yw ascii_modem
965479;1420431110;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23837 @ 0.0006432 = 15.332 BTC [+] {2} 
965480;1420431281;scoopbot;New post on Qntra.net by Bingo Boingo: http://qntra.net/2015/01/20000-in-britain-investigated-for-online-comments/
965481;1420431289;ascii_modem;write a proper ircd <<< what exactly is this ?
965482;1420431322;mircea_popescu;ascii_modem ima spec it in a few
965483;1420431343;mircea_popescu;and holy shit, don't you just love this brave new world with such policemen in it.
965484;1420431349;decimation;mircea_popescu: re: knc miner refund << yeah in BTC terms they took about %70 haircut, but I think they do all their accounting in fiat (they convert bitcoin to fiat upon reception)
965485;1420431358;Apocalyptic;Bitstamp possibly fucked up, http://i.imgur.com/8aWS157.jpg
965486;1420431359;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1AdztDa )
965487;1420431374;ascii_modem;that qntra link: see earlier thread re: how to think of law.
965488;1420431399;mircea_popescu;kakobrekla check out the cans! string popped!
965489;1420431400;ascii_modem;that is what law now is. to be thought of in the same light as ebola.
965490;1420431430;kakobrekla;how the fuck they lose private keys?
965491;1420431447;ascii_modem;'lose'
965492;1420431488;mircea_popescu;kakobrekla may i direct your attention to http://bitbet.us/bet/1095/bitcoin-to-drop-under-200-before-feb/#c4426
965493;1420431489;assbot;BitBet - Bitcoin to drop under 200$ before Feb :: 1.05 B (33%) on Yes, 2.09 B (67%) on No | closing in 2 weeks 2 days | weight: 98`291 (100`000 to 10`000) ... ( http://bit.ly/1xJbLeE )
965494;1420431496;mircea_popescu;turns out prediction markets predict markets.
965495;1420431523;decimation;what kind of 'responsible' exchange keeps keys anywhere near a terminal connected to the internet?
965496;1420431566;kakobrekla;this chan only makes me more depressed. great job kako.
965497;1420431596;Apocalyptic;<kakobrekla> how the fuck they lose private keys? // ask them
965498;1420431602;mircea_popescu;wait, how ?
965499;1420431639;mircea_popescu;https://www.quantcast.com/qntra.net << lol a peak wanes, another just begun
965500;1420431641;assbot;                  Qntra.net Traffic and Demographic Statistics by Quantcast                   ... ( http://bit.ly/1AdAB9Y )
965501;1420431683;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: And these peaks are closer than the last
965502;1420431686;BingoBoingo;!up Fun
965503;1420431687;Fun;:)
965504;1420431692;Fun;hi folks
965505;1420431710;kakobrekla;this better be fun
965506;1420431711;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo indeed.
965507;1420431725;mircea_popescu;kakobrekla tell teh group your troubles, kako
965508;1420431743;kakobrekla;well ignorance is bliss what more is there.
965509;1420431749;cazalla;scoopbot, fetch
965510;1420431750;Fun;I just read the Greek government debt is at 175   percent right now, runs up to €330 billion. And a lot of debt   nowadays is ensured in the derivative markets :)
965511;1420431752;Fun;eheheh
965512;1420431755;cazalla;scoopbot fetch
965513;1420431764;BingoBoingo;scoopbot -fetch
965514;1420431776;mircea_popescu;ah lol
965515;1420431792;mircea_popescu;they were going to finally boot the greeks neh ?
965516;1420431800;cazalla;http://qntra.net/2015/01/bitstamp-alleged-to-have-requested-users-stop-making-deposits/
965517;1420431801;assbot;Bitstamp Alleged To Have Requested Users Stop Making Deposits | Qntra.net ... ( http://bit.ly/1AdBpvv )
965518;1420431801;Fun;lol they cant
965519;1420431812;kakobrekla;wai alleged ?
965520;1420431817;Fun;who is going to cover derivatives
965521;1420431837;Fun;however if greeks exit thats great, euro and dollar may go down alot lol
965522;1420431839;Fun;esp euro :)
965523;1420431858;mircea_popescu;euro is already down.
965524;1420431875;kakobrekla;kako is already short
965525;1420431876;mircea_popescu;kakobrekla he likes the word. it bestows journalismity.
965526;1420431884;punkman;bring back the drachma!
965527;1420431889;decimation;Fun: euro and dollar go 'down' relative to what? bitcoin?
965528;1420431890;mircea_popescu;punkman !
965529;1420431897;Fun;lol it depends on which banks hold the potato :D
965530;1420431903;Fun;to other currencies
965531;1420431906;mircea_popescu;can i get more detail out of you than "it's being worked on"!
965532;1420431913;kakobrekla;decimation  nothing goes down relative to bitcoin
965533;1420431925;punkman;it's been 6 weeks, fuck me
965534;1420431933;punkman;well obviously not worked on enough
965535;1420431939;mircea_popescu;yes but...
965536;1420431947;mircea_popescu;what is the problem, exactly ?
965537;1420431966;punkman;pauperism, holidays, lyf
965538;1420431975;decimation;kakobrekla: all the way to $2!
965539;1420431978;kakobrekla;i would add to the article "self proclaimed 'World's leading Bitcoin exchange'"
965540;1420431979;mircea_popescu;am i going "this has to be reimplemented for the third time" ?
965541;1420432011;BingoBoingo;kakobrekla: Qntra has comments form. Also no need to do math to post comment
965542;1420432032;mircea_popescu;it's not really math if it has letters in it.
965543;1420432036;kakobrekla;i thought i get paid if you include those 6 words, or at least 2, since 4 are the quote.
965544;1420432065;Fun;its bizzare that greek debt is financed atleast was financed in past via some usa banks lol
965545;1420432077;Fun;who in turn seems to packed and sold it as derivatives
965546;1420432106;Fun;afterward EU said bad bad boys and said they are going to finance greece directly but perhaps thats just words
965547;1420432108;decimation;kakobrekla: BingoBoingo: according to bitcoin charts bitstamp is #3 in volume right now
965548;1420432121;kakobrekla;i said self proclaimed - check their frontpage.
965549;1420432130;ascii_modem;'big boxy pc' <<< wtf
965550;1420432148;decimation;ascii_modem: maybe she meant your lisp machine?
965551;1420432161;mircea_popescu;i think it's a he, of sorts.
965552;1420432162;scoopbot;New post on Qntra.net by cazalla: http://qntra.net/2015/01/bitstamp-alleged-to-have-requested-users-stop-making-deposits/
965553;1420432171;cazalla;yeah, we know scoopbot
965554;1420432172;Fun;any exchange can get vol by cycling btc on their boobs
965555;1420432174;BingoBoingo;kakobrekla: Well... cazalla's article. You know you could do one if you want on their old fee rape bot from back in the day.
965556;1420432175;Fun;:D
965557;1420432184;Fun;books lol
965558;1420432184;mircea_popescu;im bashing that.
965559;1420432203;mircea_popescu;;;gettrust fun
965560;1420432205;mircea_popescu;oh fucking hell
965561;1420432216;Fun;u still use gribble? :D
965562;1420432224;mircea_popescu;obviously not.
965563;1420432228;decimation;;;gribbles_retarded_cousin
965564;1420432242;mircea_popescu;and jack shit i can do about it, too, because notary's dead and so on and so fucking forth.
965565;1420432258;Fun;who here knows a bit about forex?
965566;1420432265;mircea_popescu;everybody.
965567;1420432278;ascii_modem;bitstamp... confirm... <<< do we even know of a published pubkey for them
965568;1420432285;Fun;well how can I buy CME globex fx options?
965569;1420432289;Fun;via some broker?
965570;1420432311;mircea_popescu;ideally.
965571;1420432320;mircea_popescu;ascii_modem nope.
965572;1420432330;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16676 @ 0.00063023 = 10.5097 BTC [-] {2} 
965573;1420432337;mircea_popescu;they don't use these big, blocky pc things.
965574;1420432341;mircea_popescu;they use sleek string.
965575;1420432362;ascii_modem;sleek walrus guts.
965576;1420432374;decimation;Fun: I guess you can call up someone in chicago and ask?
965577;1420432402;mircea_popescu;punkman im not one iota closer to a sensible situaiton here.
965578;1420432412;mircea_popescu;would you please not go all pankake ?
965579;1420432445;punkman;well I'm still here
965580;1420432453;assbot;Last 2 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/2J8B8W4.txt )
965581;1420432453;kakobrekla;!b 2
965582;1420432460;Fun;perhaps :)
965583;1420432488;mircea_popescu;decimation doesn't have to be in chicago. everyone does it, including all the web providers, optionsxpress, schwab, you name it
965584;1420432488;scoopbot;New post on Trilema by Mircea Popescu: http://trilema.com/2015/qntra-sqntr-december-2014-statement/
965585;1420432490;cazalla;ascii_modem, they signed they last audit using the bitcoin address 1EFJUipfCHFmmTFkF9vvjFKdBf3VbfvarM but no gpg afaik
965586;1420432494;punkman;anyone want to setup and admin the supybot/electrum box to speed things up?
965587;1420432506;thestringpuller;https://keybase.io/coinbaseguy << coinbase apparently has a GPG key published
965588;1420432508;mircea_popescu;punkman that's good. so what is the problem, exactly, what's the plan to resolve it, usefull stuff like that, pls.
965589;1420432529;Fun;http://www.cmegroup.com/trading/fx/g10/euro-fx_quotes_globex_options.html?optionExpiration=H5
965590;1420432531;assbot;Euro FX Option (American) (EUR/USD) Quotes - CME Group ... ( http://bit.ly/1AdDQya )
965591;1420432536;mircea_popescu;thestringpuller not on their site ? maybe it's really /coinbasederp instead ?
965592;1420432549;Fun;the price for option is in those high low columns or where?
965593;1420432585;ascii_modem;unless that key is welded to their traditional corporate charter, or at least proclaimed amidst fanfare by an officer - why believe it at all ?
965594;1420432594;mircea_popescu;Fun in the last, normally.
965595;1420432601;mircea_popescu;ascii_modem right.
965596;1420432614;kakobrekla;but they have https
965597;1420432622;punkman;mircea_popescu: problem is I'm reimplementing website in PHP and also changing bot to send shit to PHP reliably, and it's all a bit tangled up at the moment
965598;1420432625;thestringpuller;ascii_modem mircea_popescu: its just surprising that none of these "businesses" have pub-keys published for verification purposes.
965599;1420432625;mircea_popescu;they do a typically fiat thing whereby they act like gpg is sorta like you know, this soft toy thing. they get an address like it were a social media profile.
965600;1420432633;mircea_popescu;easily repudiable, worth nothing at all.
965601;1420432636;decimation;Fun:  if you just wanna trade euro/usd you there are a few etfs: http://etf.stock-encyclopedia.com/category/currency-etfs.html
965602;1420432637;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1AdEmfy )
965603;1420432641;Apocalyptic;eventually kako can ask them in meatspace
965604;1420432655;mircea_popescu;punkman and you're doing this suddenly and without consultation while it's also down unnaounced because why ?
965605;1420432655;Fun;decimation: I want to buy options direct
965606;1420432661;Fun;for max profit :D
965607;1420432670;mircea_popescu;Fun not for plebs.
965608;1420432681;Fun;irrelevant :D
965609;1420432692;mircea_popescu;but you can use a broker, by now they cater even to people with 10k or something.
965610;1420432699;Fun;seems so
965611;1420432705;thestringpuller;easily repudiable << is this why twitter has to verify celebrities?
965612;1420432707;decimation;Fun: on the web brokerages mircea suggests they certainly sell options on those etfs
965613;1420432713;decimation;probably much more liquid than holding something special
965614;1420432719;Fun;decimation:  I see
965615;1420432721;Fun;ty
965616;1420432722;mircea_popescu;decimation pretty sure they actually let you trade on cme.
965617;1420432728;ascii_modem;'verify'
965618;1420432736;decimation;yeah I'm gonna check out my brokerage and see
965619;1420432738;mircea_popescu;thestringpuller doubt it.
965620;1420432744;mircea_popescu;!up wserd
965621;1420432751;thestringpuller;!up wserd
965622;1420432765;thestringpuller;!up ascii_modem
965623;1420432768;Fun;so last is 0.0281 means 0.0281 usd for lot?  or what :D
965624;1420432778;ascii_modem;ty
965625;1420432782;mircea_popescu;normally, yes.
965626;1420432808;cazalla;well, here are alleged headers http://dpaste.com/3WBH04T
965627;1420432810;assbot;dpaste: 3WBH04T ... ( http://bit.ly/1AdETOH )
965628;1420432820;thestringpuller;tl;dr there would be no phishing if everyone used GPG correctly.
965629;1420432841;Fun;1 lot is 125,000 seems so
965630;1420432856;Fun;seems pretty cheap @ option price :)
965631;1420432884;thestringpuller;cazalla: when will people stop using HTML encoded email
965632;1420432915;Fun;I am suprised that large russian corporations did not hedge their loans fx risks, or maybe they did :D
965633;1420432923;punkman;mircea_popescu: it was DDoS'd/hacked, I got some PHP hosting as solution for DDoS. Existing version can be backup withing 24 hours if someone wants to administer it/protect from ddos/etc. Nobody wants to do that, so I haz to write PHP.
965634;1420432940;mircea_popescu;punkman where'd you ask ?
965635;1420432953;ascii_modem;there would be no phishing if everyone used GPG correctly. << 'brainwave' by poul anderson.
965636;1420432955;punkman;should be in logs
965637;1420432958;mircea_popescu;what's current version run again ? python was it ?
965638;1420432963;punkman;yep
965639;1420432968;mircea_popescu;!s from:punkman administer
965640;1420432969;assbot;0 results for 'from:punkman administer' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=from%3Apunkman+administer
965641;1420432974;decimation;yeah my brokerage allows direct trading of futures if you have 'approval' and a non-trival account value
965642;1420433006;ascii_modem;php hosting ?!
965643;1420433010;Fun;decimation: futures and options?
965644;1420433028;cazalla;thestringpuller, but i like pretty newsletters
965645;1420433032;mircea_popescu;punkman this really has been very poorly communicated.
965646;1420433068;Apocalyptic;why rewrite from python to PHP ? seems like a poor downgrade in everything
965647;1420433072;mircea_popescu;for one thing, ddos'd/hacked is an unlikely combo. which was it ?
965648;1420433099;mircea_popescu;Apocalyptic i dunno wtf he's doing, im sitting here debugging a lengthy string of nonsense resulted from engineer deciding arbitrarily to selfmanage mid process.
965649;1420433133;mircea_popescu;about as pleasant a thing as fifty years worth of dilbert rolled up in one fat joint.
965650;1420433139;ascii_modem;fellas, all these headaches - ircd/fleanode, notarybot, etc. - one pill. why not one of you carry out my erasurecode-router scheme.
965651;1420433140;mircea_popescu;except the other side.
965652;1420433143;Apocalyptic;I can see that
965653;1420433187;thestringpuller;dilbert is kinda funny tho...
965654;1420433210;ascii_modem;as riotously funny as butugychag.
965655;1420433223;Fun;decimation: so how much 1 euro fx lot cost ? option to buy or sell it at agreed price
965656;1420433497;decimation;!up Fun
965657;1420433543;decimation;Fun: are you asking what the bid/ask spread is on the spot?  or do you want an option with a ex date and strike price?
965658;1420433594;BingoBoingo;!up Birdman
965659;1420433738;cazalla;well, bitstamp confirmed unless site has been hacked too
965660;1420433828;BingoBoingo;Well did BitStamp lose a can or the string?
965661;1420433883;cazalla;http://i.imgur.com/EEhfYnV.png i took that ss fwiw
965662;1420433884;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1AdIHzo )
965663;1420433891;Fun;decimation: option with ex date and strike price
965664;1420434074;scoopbot;New post on Qntra.net by cazalla: http://qntra.net/2015/01/bitstamp-requests-users-stop-making-deposits/
965665;1420434075;scoopbot;New post on Qntra.net by Bingo Boingo: http://qntra.net/2015/01/20000-in-britain-investigated-for-online-comments/
965666;1420434097;mircea_popescu;seems to me like someone likely ran off with a wallet.
965667;1420434116;mircea_popescu;curious if this ends up going the way of btcxchange
965668;1420434153;cazalla;well, the wallet that was last audited has been empty since early dec
965669;1420434271;decimation;the bid/ask spread on eur/usd spot runs about 3 to 4 mili-cents (w/comission)
965670;1420434303;decimation;for mar 2015 Euro Futures, price 1.1949 with a 32k volume
965671;1420434537;decimation;to buy a call that expires 15 jan on the mar 2015 future, for a strike price of 1.19 costs $0.0096
965672;1420434566;mircea_popescu;don't do options on futures, do spot options.
965673;1420434721;Fun;mircea_popescu: whats the difference?
965674;1420434742;mircea_popescu;that one is an option on the future and the other on the spot o.O
965675;1420434757;mircea_popescu;what's the difference between apple pie and pineapple pie ?
965676;1420434893;decimation;yeah I'm trying to find the options on spot (seems it would be easier) but I am having trouble
965677;1420434933;decimation;lol
965678;1420434953;mircea_popescu;irrespective of widespread belief to the contrary, im pretty sure no entity currently can value options on forex futures
965679;1420434985;decimation;they certainly exist
965680;1420434998;mircea_popescu;the catholic church also "exists"
965681;1420435002;decimation;are you implying that markov chains are doing what they do?
965682;1420435005;mircea_popescu;in the sense that one can hang himself from it.
965683;1420435050;decimation;actually options on spot probably don't exist, come to think on it
965684;1420435053;mircea_popescu;look at the math involved sometime in an idle hour, but from a fundamental perspective, none of that "this is hw it's done because it's how it's done" circularity.
965685;1420435080;decimation;like, why would you pay to deliever something that's only valued today?
965686;1420435101;mircea_popescu;uh ?!
965687;1420435142;decimation;I guess my point is that a promise to deliver a euro tomorrow isn't a spot price
965688;1420435159;*;BingoBoingo kind of really wants kakobrekla to write an "I told you so" piece on Bitstamp
965689;1420435195;mircea_popescu;this is true
965690;1420435236;thestringpuller;http://bitcoinobituaries.com/
965691;1420435243;thestringpuller;Bitcoin has died 23 times
965692;1420435244;mircea_popescu;but an option to deliver tomorrow an euro deliverable next week is a whole other layer of nutso.
965693;1420435257;decimation;yeah fair point
965694;1420435280;decimation;so weirdly my brokerage doesn't appear to have spot (freestyle?) forex options, only options on futures
965695;1420435299;decimation;it does appear that forex is a very specialized thing that varies widely with brokerage
965696;1420435305;mircea_popescu;yes but use an option for mar on the mar future.
965697;1420435309;decimation;!up Fun
965698;1420435321;Fun;they package stuff to confuse people imo
965699;1420435324;mircea_popescu;rather than a jan option on the mar future.
965700;1420435335;Fun;derivative on top of derivative
965701;1420435368;mircea_popescu;Fun noobs have a reputation of wishing to get involved in the most complex end of any matter first thing.
965702;1420435373;mircea_popescu;this is no different.
965703;1420435380;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17250 @ 0.00064849 = 11.1865 BTC [+] {4} 
965704;1420435412;Fun;I was watching RBK today, chairmain of Russian Commerce Chamber was going on that some russian companies need to refinance tons of mid term debt soon in what I presume usd :) I was thinking here that sounds fishy how come they havent hedged FX risk from the start
965705;1420435413;Fun;:)
965706;1420435437;mircea_popescu;Fun because a) it costs money and b) they don't care, because it's not really their problem.
965707;1420435458;Fun;more of b they hope gov will tell some bank to bail them out
965708;1420435465;decimation;k. a Mar 15 call for a march euro strike 1.19 costs 0.0221 and a put costs 0.0172
965709;1420435481;Fun;0.02 is cheap
965710;1420435497;mircea_popescu;uptrend huh.
965711;1420435506;Fun;those are 125,000 lots so say 1% move is 1,250 gain?
965712;1420435511;mircea_popescu;no dude.
965713;1420435525;mircea_popescu;if it goes to 1.2121 you break even
965714;1420435557;Fun;but it may well outperform strike price
965715;1420435573;mircea_popescu;if it outperforms it by 2 cents and 21 hundredths you make money.
965716;1420435598;Fun;atm 1.1939
965717;1420435610;Fun;I see
965718;1420435678;Fun;there is some vol on 11800.0
965719;1420435694;Fun;march 2015
965720;1420435815;Fun;so say 0.10 gain minus 0.0281 thats 0.7 approx * 125.000 right?
965721;1420435826;Fun;0.0281 option cost
965722;1420435886;mircea_popescu;i like people who pretend their convenient misunderstanding is more powerful than reality.
965723;1420435950;decimation;the bid/ask spread on that mar 15 call runs about ~0.007
965724;1420435976;Fun;mircea_popescu: what do u mean? feel free to correct calculations
965725;1420435982;mircea_popescu;i have, above.
965726;1420436112;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7009 @ 0.00064576 = 4.5261 BTC [-]
965727;1420436123;Fun;there is option cost per lot
965728;1420436126;Fun;and strike price
965729;1420436141;Fun;ok u think price wont change that much?
965730;1420436303;Fun;decimation:  0.007 is fine imo
965731;1420436609;thestringpuller;"You know you've done things right when people don't think you've done anything at all"
965732;1420436655;mircea_popescu;http://blog.khersonus.com/2014/first-bitcoin-otc-rating/ meanwhile gone ?
965733;1420436659;mircea_popescu;i fucking hate webrot.
965734;1420436668;mircea_popescu;;;seen khers oh what's the use
965735;1420436671;thestringpuller;more precisely "When you do things right, people won't be sure you've done anything at all."
965736;1420436674;Fun;:)
965737;1420436676;ben_vulpes;wah jesus that's a scrollback
965738;1420436729;Fun;;;gpg eregister Fun 1E42DA89AA22D605
965739;1420436732;thestringpuller;wow there isn't even a google cache
965740;1420436743;thestringpuller;Fun: gribble is on vacation
965741;1420436750;thestringpuller;blame nanotube :D
965742;1420436750;Fun;lol
965743;1420436759;Fun;so how do people register to talk here? ":
965744;1420436761;Fun;:)
965745;1420436766;thestringpuller;as of now you don't
965746;1420436769;Fun;cool
965747;1420436772;Fun;makes sense
965748;1420436790;*;thestringpuller screams nanotube like Kirk sceams Khan.
965749;1420436829;Fun;decimation: which broker do u use?
965750;1420436839;decimation;td ameritrade
965751;1420436845;Fun;thats a big one
965752;1420436854;Fun;strange they dont offer whole range to you
965753;1420436864;Fun;decimation: also options prices seems so cheap
965754;1420436876;Fun;maybe  I am missing something?
965755;1420436878;decimation;they are known for their platform
965756;1420436881;Fun;yes
965757;1420436890;Fun;canuck bank :D
965758;1420437154;ben_vulpes;!up fun
965759;1420437175;ben_vulpes;man how long can we keep this juggling act up?
965760;1420437221;Apocalyptic;it's gonna be a while
965761;1420437394;Fun;or change assbot rules?
965762;1420437394;Fun;:D
965763;1420437441;thestringpuller;Apocalyptic: you think gribble won't be back for a few days? Weeks?
965764;1420437457;thestringpuller;This is personally the longest I've ever seen gribble AWOL.
965765;1420437484;Apocalyptic;same here
965766;1420437514;ben_vulpes;pretty impressed that single point of failure went this long without failing.
965767;1420437537;ben_vulpes;i hope everyone's been taking backups of the db.
965768;1420437580;decimation;it's odd that gribble died the same time that bitstamp was hacked
965769;1420437675;Fun;not odd related
965770;1420437681;thestringpuller;ben_vulpes: the back up is on OTC website
965771;1420437686;thestringpuller;it's pretty redundant
965772;1420437687;ben_vulpes;fun and how would you know?
965773;1420437694;Fun;logic
965774;1420437698;ben_vulpes;thestringpuller: and how would you know if the db'd changed?
965775;1420437710;thestringpuller;That I cannot verify!
965776;1420437714;thestringpuller;OH NOES we have a dilemma
965777;1420437721;ben_vulpes;Fun: try again, that kind of statement doesn't hold any water with me.
965778;1420437726;Fun;decimation: so yes about forex dont u think those options are kinda cheap
965779;1420437742;decimation;I donno man, I don't really daytrade fx options
965780;1420437768;ben_vulpes;<mircea_popescu> [] i like people who pretend their convenient misunderstanding is more powerful than reality. << an amusing thing to cross at this moment
965781;1420437771;thestringpuller;ben_vulpes: in all srsns single point of access == single point of failure
965782;1420437781;Fun;decimation: nor do I however in light of recent geo political events it seems neat thing to do
965783;1420437781;danielpbarron;kakobrekla> any bitcoin poker site already struggles for existence or is half dead or completely dead << because they don't use the WoT
965784;1420437782;Fun;:D
965785;1420437793;mircea_popescu;<thestringpuller> This is personally the longest I've ever seen gribble AWOL. < same here.
965786;1420437806;mircea_popescu;<ben_vulpes> pretty impressed that single point of failure went this long without failing. << same here #2
965787;1420437819;Fun;as to reality if drunk person mistakes tree for say a monster he will hack it
965788;1420437824;thestringpuller;but what is the alternative? nanotube would have to trust someone else to maintain gateway into WoT?
965789;1420437844;Fun;so no matter how reality is perceived human action does alter it :D
965790;1420437912;ben_vulpes;meanie
965791;1420437937;thestringpuller;that was quick.
965792;1420437959;thestringpuller;damn, I guess we just pray nanotube isn't locked up in some mexican prison somewhere
965793;1420437991;ben_vulpes;where does extraordinary rendition happen these days?
965794;1420438002;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes weren't you complaining bout the endless log an hour ago ?
965795;1420438043;ben_vulpes;watching the thing scroll by as my bouncer replays it makes things look longer than they are
965796;1420438045;ben_vulpes;!up kermit
965797;1420438103;thestringpuller;instead of just reading log.bitcoin-assets.com ?
965798;1420438267;ben_vulpes;what, you think this is the only channel in which i do biz?
965799;1420438283;ben_vulpes;http://www.theautomaticearth.com/oil-power-and-psychopaths/ and to all a good night!
965800;1420438285;assbot;Oil, Power and Psychopaths - The Automatic Earth ... ( http://bit.ly/14c7S7M )
965801;1420438324;thestringpuller;ben_vulpes is cheating on us with other channels!
965802;1420438332;thestringpuller;i feel slightly saddened :(
965803;1420438674;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16345 @ 0.00064869 = 10.6028 BTC [+] {3} 
965804;1420439042;cazalla;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n0K2xW4O89U derp has moved on from blockchain technology, has a new one for 2015
965805;1420439044;assbot;Multisignature Technology - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/14c9UF0 )
965806;1420439812;scoopbot;New post on Trilema by Mircea Popescu: http://trilema.com/2015/introducing-the-trilema-jobs-board/
965807;1420439866;mircea_popescu;lol now that china is looking poised to reconstruct the entire world around shanghai, the english agitprop is talking of putin pawning russian national interest to beijing.
965808;1420439875;mircea_popescu;quite a step up from "doesn't understand how the world works"
965809;1420440077;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7590 @ 0.00063081 = 4.7878 BTC [-]
965810;1420440304;BingoBoingo;!up Vexual
965811;1420440353;Vexual;Hey.. What is this 2015 has started already? Feels like Monday
965812;1420440688;Vexual;im guessing that bitstamp hot wallet ain't small
965813;1420440757;BingoBoingo;Who knows? It's the way of two cans and string, one of which is missing
965814;1420440789;mircea_popescu;scoopbot request http://btcscoop.com/cgi-bin/blogroll.py is 500'd.
965815;1420440790;assbot;500 Internal Server Error ... ( http://bit.ly/14cdGOp )
965816;1420440808;mircea_popescu;no later tell no nothing fucking bs.
965817;1420441237;Vexual;so were busting nanotube from mexico?
965818;1420441270;Vexual;BingoBoingo: got a few days free?
965819;1420441290;BingoBoingo;Vexual: Not really
965820;1420441389;Vexual;put it in sluts.txt and do it later then
965821;1420441601;BingoBoingo;Vexual: The proper file extension for that type is .twat
965822;1420441646;Vexual;now theres a tld worth bidding on
965823;1420441956;Vexual;ben_vulpes: i just want more coins plz <this guy gets it
965824;1420442040;scoopbot;New post on Trilema by Mircea Popescu: http://trilema.com/2015/peterl-scoopbot/
965825;1420442326;adlai;!up Vexual
965826;1420442456;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23800 @ 0.00065284 = 15.5376 BTC [+] {2} 
965827;1420443737;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15214 @ 0.00065366 = 9.9448 BTC [+] {2} 
965828;1420445114;mircea_popescu;scoopbot -fetch
965829;1420445295;mircea_popescu;what's wrong with this one.
965830;1420445620;thestringpuller;everything is breaking
965831;1420445671;thestringpuller;bitpocalypse 2015
965832;1420446362;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8750 @ 0.00064929 = 5.6813 BTC [-]
965833;1420446374;fluffypony;it's because of the Gawgoxstamp
965834;1420447308;mircea_popescu;thje only McAuliffe google knows is some politico.
965835;1420447324;mircea_popescu;it'll be a great world to live in, this.
965836;1420447484;cazalla;hey fluffypony, is amarula nice?
965837;1420447504;fluffypony;cazalla: it's a little too sweet for my tastes, I'm a whisky and red wine man
965838;1420447509;fluffypony;but it's fantastic in shooters
965839;1420447519;fluffypony;kahlua + amarula + cream
965840;1420447701;cazalla;on second thought, might take another evening walk instead of getting stuck into the booze, by the time i get back, shop will be shut
965841;1420447750;mircea_popescu;that's all for me. laters!
965842;1420450142;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21500 @ 0.00063356 = 13.6215 BTC [-] {2} 
965843;1420450630;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12900 @ 0.00062732 = 8.0924 BTC [-] {2} 
965844;1420452516;cazalla;http://qntra.net/2015/01/bitstamp-exchange-suspends-service/
965845;1420452517;assbot;Bitstamp Exchange Suspends Service | Qntra.net ... ( http://bit.ly/1wPy12K )
965846;1420452659;cazalla;so much drama and it's only the first week of 2015
965847;1420453110;cazalla;!up RagnarDanneskjol
965848;1420453127;cazalla;qntra down, that's a first for some time
965849;1420453297;cazalla;!up davout
965850;1420453302;davout;ty
965851;1420453314;davout;!s deeds spec
965852;1420453315;assbot;1 results for 'deeds spec' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=deeds+spec
965853;1420453341;davout;not many halps
965854;1420453343;RagnarDanneskjol;punkman has a newer much more detailed spec
965855;1420453380;RagnarDanneskjol;i was keeping it at deedbot.com but now thats outdated too
965856;1420453389;davout;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-01-2015#964161
965857;1420453389;assbot;Logged on 03-01-2015 21:52:59; mircea_popescu: davout: who decided, and why, that the contents should be gpg signed ? << oh for cryssakes it was in the log like 20 times.
965858;1420453460;scoopbot;New post on Trilema by Mircea Popescu: http://trilema.com/2015/open-binary-maintenance-for-eulora/
965859;1420453464;davout;kakobrekla: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=04-01-2015#964963 <<< what about this guy -> http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=04-01-2015#964963
965860;1420453464;assbot;Logged on 04-01-2015 19:00:14; mircea_popescu: kakobrekla: so due to this thing called new year there is 57 bets waiting resolution. good luck to the mods. << i'd say they did pretty okay!
965861;1420453464;assbot;Logged on 04-01-2015 19:00:14; mircea_popescu: kakobrekla: so due to this thing called new year there is 57 bets waiting resolution. good luck to the mods. << i'd say they did pretty okay!
965862;1420453471;davout;whoops
965863;1420453477;davout;this one : http://bitbet.us/bet/826/bitcoin-central-out-of-business-in-2014/
965864;1420453478;assbot;BitBet - Bitcoin-Central out of business in 2014 :: 0.88 B (8%) on Yes, 10.19 B (92%) on No | closed 1 week 2 days ago ... ( http://bit.ly/1wPz2HU )
965865;1420453484;davout;:D
965866;1420454976;davout;!up RagnarDanneskjol
965867;1420458438;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 2036 @ 0.000853 = 1.7367 BTC [-] {2} 
965868;1420459204;scoopbot;New post on Qntra.net by cazalla: http://qntra.net/2015/01/bitstamp-exchange-suspends-service/
965869;1420459980;xanthyos;i think bc.i is broken: http://gyazo.com/f57c2a1a0e4c83bbd008aa8770a3d43c
965870;1420459981;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1xJY81Y )
965871;1420460021;xanthyos;or we're in the future we wanted
965872;1420460085;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 1819 @ 0.000852 = 1.5498 BTC [-]
965873;1420460190;xanthyos;division by zero error somewhere
965874;1420460297;xanthyos;i've moved most to electrum wallet as recommended by BingoBoingo
965875;1420460989;cazalla;xanthyos, ya know electrum wallet is racist, right? https://twitter.com/ElectrumWallet/status/541420975716597760 (lol at that shit still being there)
965876;1420460992;assbot;I'm happy they killed that nigger Eric Garner. /hashtag/Holocaust2?src=hash /hashtag/KillEmAll?src=hash
965877;1420461101;xanthyos;wow, bad twitter account management!
965878;1420461122;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16200 @ 0.00064122 = 10.3878 BTC [+]
965879;1420461161;xanthyos;hopefully that doesn't suggest their software is sloppily coded
965880;1420462067;xanthyos;open source though
965881;1420462123;cazalla;nfi any of this true but rumoured bitcoin theft address, nice 1 btc fee too https://blockchain.info/tx/07a78d55fc17a2809e031116e71ac63faa6c2ea9e29480b4fa59031683b506b8
965882;1420462125;assbot;        Bitcoin Transaction 07a78d55fc17a2809e031116e71ac63faa6c2ea9e29480b4fa59031683b506b8     ... ( http://bit.ly/1BAk9ht )
965883;1420462147;xanthyos;heh
965884;1420462153;cazalla;zzz anyway
965885;1420462220;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15400 @ 0.00062927 = 9.6908 BTC [-] {2} 
965886;1420463441;punkman;http://www.theverge.com/tldr/2014/12/18/7418397/notch-just-bought-the-craziest-megamansion-ever
965887;1420463442;assbot;The creator of Minecraft outbid Beyoncé and Jay Z on this $70 million megamansion | The Verge ... ( http://bit.ly/1BAoIIs )
965888;1420463539;punkman;!up davout
965889;1420463542;davout;ty
965890;1420463578;davout;cazalla: a lot of the other transactions to this address sport a hefty fee too
965891;1420463623;davout;which could be consistent with 'take the money and run'
965892;1420467082;thestringpuller;;;ls
965893;1420467492;thestringpuller;bah cazalla went beddy bye before I could get to work lol
965894;1420467894;TomServo;!up soypirate
965895;1420468381;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 13 @ 0.10815384 = 1.406 BTC [-] {4} 
965896;1420468808;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13300 @ 0.00064991 = 8.6438 BTC [+] {2} 
965897;1420468973;TomServo;!up joesmoe
965898;1420468981;TomServo;Hello joesmoe
965899;1420469002;TomServo;What kind of things happen at the denver bitcoin center?
965900;1420469281;kakobrekla;http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/2re2pw/18864_coins_stolen_from_stamp_that_doesnt_look/
965901;1420469342;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17900 @ 0.00065582 = 11.7392 BTC [+] {2} 
965902;1420470603;davout;http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/2re2pw/18864_coins_stolen_from_stamp_that_doesnt_look/ <<< the fees suggest the guy was in a hurry too
965903;1420470648;kakobrekla;im now getting "my output address is bitstamp hot wallet" emails from bitbet users.
965904;1420470666;*;TomServo shakes his head.
965905;1420470700;kakobrekla;now "bitbet sucks because bitstamp stole coins"
965906;1420470707;davout;lol
965907;1420470847;mod6;pff
965908;1420471172;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15128 @ 0.00062819 = 9.5033 BTC [-] {3} 
965909;1420471769;artifexd;http://imgur.com/gallery/KyGoaQQ << This would make an awesome shirt.  Maybe an S.NSA advertisement.
965910;1420471927;artifexd;Anybody else having problems getting anything useful from trilema.com?
965911;1420471978;kakobrekla;haxed
965912;1420471982;kakobrekla;hot wallet 'gone'.
965913;1420472002;mike_c;oh no, somebody haxed all the trilema credits?
965914;1420472010;kakobrekla;qntra also down
965915;1420472034;mike_c;502, that doesn't seem like ddos.
965916;1420472054;punkman;fivezerotwo is back?
965917;1420472092;mike_c;feels more like a normal ops problem.
965918;1420472104;kakobrekla;its been down for 45m
965919;1420472682;davout;it's the end of the world apparently
965920;1420472784;punkman;re: attitude towards law https://www.eff.org/issues/coders/reverse-engineering-faq#faq2
965921;1420472800;punkman;also this http://lwn.net/Articles/154602/
965922;1420472818;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2016 @ 0.00062685 = 1.2637 BTC [-]
965923;1420473184;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18000 @ 0.00062685 = 11.2833 BTC [-]
965924;1420473398;punkman;http://bitbet.us/stats/14wqgUXyHpuzyuwfYssfeLuL1YtZpeVkcR/ NO dude isn't doing too bad
965925;1420473446;kakobrekla;seems the bets have stopped?
965926;1420473730;mircea_popescu;still no google eh ?
965927;1420473737;mircea_popescu;!s nanotube
965928;1420473738;assbot;586 results for 'nanotube' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=nanotube
965929;1420473753;kakobrekla;no trilema or qntra either
965930;1420473761;mircea_popescu;i know.
965931;1420473766;mircea_popescu;bein' worked on.
965932;1420473780;kakobrekla;did ya lose you hot wallet too?
965933;1420473793;mircea_popescu;um ?
965934;1420473816;kakobrekla;nvm just derpin.
965935;1420473833;mircea_popescu;it doesn't have one lol.
965936;1420473855;kakobrekla;in the spirit of buttstamp and all.
965937;1420473878;punkman;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=05-01-2015#965207 << would MIPS be easier than x86? or does the problem lie in connecting the thing to outside world (fast RAM, peripherals, etc)?
965938;1420473878;assbot;Logged on 05-01-2015 00:46:15; ascii_modem: folks who bring up fpga as a solution - straight to ebay, pick up a board, see if you can bake so much as an i386 compatible, with at least the original's performance, -without- the fpga vendor's closed libraries
965939;1420473909;kakobrekla;!s dram controller
965940;1420473910;assbot;3 results for 'dram controller' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=dram+controller
965941;1420473930;kakobrekla;i think the answer is there somewhere
965942;1420473977;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21950 @ 0.00063952 = 14.0375 BTC [+]
965943;1420473978;kakobrekla;but at this point youd be better off reading all ze logs.
965944;1420474006;mircea_popescu;anyway, re qntra etc : Banned the following ip addresses on Mon Jan  5 09:42:16 EST 2015 23.235.236.98 with 9755 connections
965945;1420474017;mircea_popescu;in all likelyhood, moar wp crud.
965946;1420474037;kakobrekla;who banned?
965947;1420474046;mircea_popescu;that's not specified.
965948;1420474109;kakobrekla;brb meat.
965949;1420474343;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 2000 @ 0.00084091 = 1.6818 BTC [-] {8} 
965950;1420474698;punkman;http://libv.livejournal.com/22502.html "How to sneak in a 1 to 1 version dependency between xserver, mesa and the linux kernel"
965951;1420475467;davout;in other news bitcointalk is now requesting that moderators fill some usg paperwork for the purpose of paying taxes
965952;1420475490;kakobrekla;lolwhut
965953;1420475508;mike_c;hehehe.  1099's for all of them!
965954;1420475543;davout;mike_c: yes
965955;1420475577;davout;http://pastebin.com/Fa5ARauq
965956;1420475682;kakobrekla;lol
965957;1420475943;punkman;"or if you want me to send it via postal mail."  < send it to random Somalian address
965958;1420476051;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7800 @ 0.00064007 = 4.9925 BTC [+] {2} 
965959;1420476716;mike_c;diana_coman: I heard a rumor awhile ago that you got eulora compiling/running on windows.  is that true?
965960;1420476726;mike_c;!up diana_coman
965961;1420476966;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 2089 @ 0.0008313 = 1.7366 BTC [-] {7} 
965962;1420477109;mike_c;thx
965963;1420477345;diana_coman;hi mike_c yes
965964;1420477359;diana_coman;I did get it compiled and running on Windows 8, 64bit
965965;1420477379;mike_c;would you be willing to share how you did that?
965966;1420477382;diana_coman;I've written the steps on the wiki
965967;1420477387;mike_c;oh
965968;1420477405;diana_coman;actually there is a small update to make there, to give the precise version for one of the libs
965969;1420477412;diana_coman;but I found out I could not edit the wiki for some reason
965970;1420477441;diana_coman;http://www.eulorum.org/Installing_Eulora#Windows
965971;1420477443;assbot;Installing Eulora - Eulorum ... ( http://bit.ly/1xKYP81 )
965972;1420477456;mike_c;oh?  I actually host that wiki.  what happened when you tried to edit?
965973;1420477501;diana_coman;got an error when trying to save the changes
965974;1420477525;diana_coman;to be fair, I can't even remember if I had an account, but I somehow thought I didn't need one last time
965975;1420477560;diana_coman;oh, re install, the full account of all the pain is still on the blog, too, here: http://www.dianacoman.com/2014/10/30/the-cost-of-shitogramming/
965976;1420477561;assbot;The cost of shitogramming in Ossasepia ... ( http://bit.ly/1xKZ8Qq )
965977;1420477589;mike_c;hm, i was just able to make an edit without logging in
965978;1420477624;mike_c;could try to change it and see if it works?  and thanks for posting all the steps.
965979;1420477638;diana_coman;let me try again, maybe there was some strange stuff going on at that time
965980;1420477747;diana_coman;uhm, it works now, weird
965981;1420477807;diana_coman;well, I've updated the version for the libs and gave the link too, so that should be clearer now
965982;1420477916;Naphex;o/
965983;1420477928;mike_c;great.  I'll give your steps a try.  I am one of the people who tried and failed a couple times.
965984;1420478047;diana_coman;mike_c no problem, ping me if it still doesn't work
965985;1420478079;diana_coman;re the wiki, it seems to have trouble when I add the link with http so possibly that was the issue?
965986;1420478094;mike_c;hm.  I'll look into it.
965987;1420478116;diana_coman;I just get a blank screen when I try to save (with http)
965988;1420478123;thestringpuller;sup diana_coman
965989;1420478148;diana_coman;the rest works fine, so no big deal there
965990;1420478170;diana_coman;thanks thestringpuller
965991;1420478392;mike_c;sounds like some security plugin gone awry.  I'll fix it.
965992;1420478612;thestringpuller;!up pete_dushenski
965993;1420478619;thestringpuller;is it working ~_~
965994;1420478621;pete_dushenski;ty
965995;1420478624;thestringpuller;oh it did
965996;1420478626;pete_dushenski;howdy!
965997;1420478637;thestringpuller;we're operating in apocalypse mode
965998;1420478643;thestringpuller;gribble-pocalypse 2015!
965999;1420478676;pete_dushenski;suprised gizmodo hasn't picked this up
966000;1420478699;pete_dushenski;those gawker guys love their apocali
966001;1420478724;thestringpuller;yea no one knows where nanotube is
966002;1420478732;pete_dushenski;so i broke obama's head off: http://www.contravex.com/2015/01/04/let-obama-eat-cake/
966003;1420478733;assbot;Let Obama eat cake. | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski ... ( http://bit.ly/1xL2yT8 )
966004;1420478800;thestringpuller;holy fuck bitstamp is suspended
966005;1420478808;pete_dushenski;lol ya
966006;1420478815;pete_dushenski;they're pooched
966007;1420478894;thestringpuller;haha. holy fuck.
966008;1420478904;thestringpuller;i love a good bitpocalypse
966009;1420478929;thestringpuller;watch the n00bs burn and burn
966010;1420478991;pete_dushenski;lol ya
966011;1420479014;pete_dushenski;almost as satisfying as watching wall street face plant
966012;1420479079;pete_dushenski;crude sub-$50
966013;1420479093;mike_c;fuck. i knew i should have bitbet that.
966014;1420479104;mike_c;"knew".  i'm a wimp.
966015;1420479148;pete_dushenski;skin in the game: separating talkers from walkers since always
966016;1420479173;thestringpuller;some people just don't like to gamble
966017;1420479173;mike_c;yes yes.  i just got my butt kicked on "bitcoin won't suck by end of 2014" bets, so perhaps i am gunshy.
966018;1420479189;mike_c;plus, it hasn't happened yet.  mar '15 is at $50.65
966019;1420479190;thestringpuller;at least we all one the NSA delivery bet
966020;1420479199;thestringpuller;won*
966021;1420479203;thestringpuller;wow I can't spell/grammar
966022;1420479217;kakobrekla;quick scalp for best profit.
966023;1420479218;pete_dushenski;mike_c eh i got my but kicked on diff bets so i'm with you there
966024;1420479253;pete_dushenski;thestringpuller in the cash money nao!
966025;1420479345;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14042 @ 0.00063743 = 8.9508 BTC [-]
966026;1420479495;mircea_popescu;http://trilema.com/2015/open-a-better-ircd-rfc/ << pls to rfc
966027;1420479495;assbot;[OPEN] A better ircd [RFC] pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.  ... ( http://bit.ly/1xL4GdC )
966028;1420479519;thestringpuller;a new saying: "When there is blood on the streets, buy Bitcoin."
966029;1420479550;thestringpuller;collary: "When there is blood on the streets, somebody goin to jail." (The niggarized version)
966030;1420479617;pete_dushenski;http://www.contravex.com/2015/01/05/bitcoin-jobs-get-your-bitcoin-jobs/
966031;1420479619;assbot;Bitcoin jobs! Get your Bitcoin jobs! | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski ... ( http://bit.ly/1xL4ZVY )
966032;1420479658;mircea_popescu;how's ozland pete_dushenski ?
966033;1420479726;pete_dushenski;mircea_popescu it was a little rainier and cooler than expected, a little pricier too, but overall perfectly pleasant
966034;1420479743;pete_dushenski;i'm back in the cold now, -30C or something
966035;1420479751;ben_vulpes;mircea_popescu: "Helo" -> "Hello" ?
966036;1420479775;mircea_popescu;mebbe "heyo" ? make an argentine joke right in the spec!
966037;1420479815;pete_dushenski;mircea_popescu i see that your vacay produced a rather prolific number of articles.. did you stay in town?
966038;1420479820;thestringpuller;the redditards only listen to voice of reason when there is an apocalypse http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/2rdwrz/why_top_bitcoin_exchanges_are_so_amateurish_its/
966039;1420479836;mircea_popescu;pete_dushenski nah actually.
966040;1420479841;mircea_popescu;this is why it produced.
966041;1420479854;mircea_popescu;thestringpuller "it's their userbase" ?
966042;1420479865;pete_dushenski;mircea_popescu lovely :)
966043;1420479880;ben_vulpes;hueo
966044;1420479904;mircea_popescu;in keeping with the naming conventions introduced, everyone can call the helo packet whatever they wish :D
966045;1420479919;thestringpuller;"The sad part is that Bitstamp promised they will have quarterly audits of reserves. First and last was in May 2014."
966046;1420479926;pete_dushenski;they promised guise!
966047;1420479935;davout;i want an OHAI packet
966048;1420479949;davout;opening a connection
966049;1420479950;mircea_popescu;you got it
966050;1420479955;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 2672 @ 0.00080643 = 2.1548 BTC [-] {11} 
966051;1420479966;davout;said connection being terminated by a KTHXBYE packet
966052;1420480003;mircea_popescu;no terminations rly.
966053;1420480021;ben_vulpes;("BAI")
966054;1420480041;davout;LOLWUT packets to be used for the filling of sequence gaps
966055;1420480071;mircea_popescu;many moons ago some kids did write some thing that used the PIZDA/PULA convention.
966056;1420480076;mircea_popescu;ie, started with cunt, ended with cock.
966057;1420480160;mircea_popescu;was the best thing ever for a summer.
966058;1420480289;davout;what do you mean by "a signed certificate for the IP fingerprint if necessary" ?
966059;1420480408;mircea_popescu;well how do you know X is allowed to speak for me ?
966060;1420480442;mircea_popescu;unless the server is actually using my own keypair. which it conceivably could.
966061;1420480445;davout;GPG-signatures?
966062;1420480447;davout;ok
966063;1420480452;davout;server keypair
966064;1420480488;mircea_popescu;basically, program has one, you have one. you can if you wish use the same. don;'t have to.
966065;1420480499;scoopbot;New post on Trilema by Mircea Popescu: http://trilema.com/2015/open-a-better-ircd-rfc/
966066;1420480519;davout;so if i understand correctly the daemon has its own keypair, the "for" keypair would be the user's
966067;1420480525;mircea_popescu;yep
966068;1420480628;kakobrekla;i dont get this scoopbot 30 min delay + fetch command. when i setup rss feed for herr vulpes jenkins (which is now offline for some reason) i hit it once a minute cause i give no fucks. no need for this -fetch nonsense if you change the interval to something saner.
966069;1420480639;kakobrekla;its not like we gonna run out of internets anytime soon.
966070;1420480651;mircea_popescu;kakobrekla trilema rss is 15 minutes delayed anyway
966071;1420480678;davout;makes sense, the hash, salt and nonce fiddling is to prevent against replay right?
966072;1420480691;kakobrekla;set it 5min for trilema, 1 min for qntra etc
966073;1420480699;kakobrekla;forget the fetch nonsense.
966074;1420480700;mircea_popescu;davout no, it's to make mitm and masquerading much harder.
966075;1420480728;davout;apart from replaying i can't think of an example where GPG isn't enough a protection already
966076;1420480742;davout;s/enough/enough of/
966077;1420480744;mircea_popescu;a replay "attack" coming from a trusted host carries a very large cost. they'll get banned.
966078;1420480756;mircea_popescu;tbh the l2 list etc has been a revelation in computer security for me.
966079;1420480777;mircea_popescu;it's been much better stated by smarter men, of course. http://www.ranum.com/security/computer_security/editorials/dumb/
966080;1420480778;assbot;The Six Dumbest Ideas in Computer Security ... ( http://bit.ly/1DaYro4 )
966081;1420480787;davout;i was thinking rely on GPG and simply encode a nonce in the message
966082;1420480809;mircea_popescu;davout suppose i send spoofed ip messages.
966083;1420480815;mircea_popescu;i can encode to your public key.
966084;1420480816;mircea_popescu;what now ?
966085;1420480830;mircea_popescu;in the design as is, now you reject my junk because i don't know the salts.
966086;1420480842;davout;i discard your messages since it doesn't bear a valid GPG signature
966087;1420480851;mircea_popescu;messages don't need to be signed.
966088;1420480876;mircea_popescu;and this deliberately.
966089;1420480879;davout;if they were wouldn't that remove the salts requirements?
966090;1420480894;mircea_popescu;it would but it's moot, because i'm not about to require people to sign everything they say.
966091;1420480897;davout;because if you know the server's key, you're probably aware of the salts etc
966092;1420480910;davout;ic
966093;1420480917;mircea_popescu;how does that work ? you know my ip and his gpg pubkey.
966094;1420480925;mircea_popescu;how does this make it probable you have root on my box ?
966095;1420480941;davout;i meant if you raped the server for its key, you may as well have the salt and stuff
966096;1420480949;mircea_popescu;pubkey ?
966097;1420480957;davout;both
966098;1420480962;mircea_popescu;o you meant in your signed alt-spec. mkay.
966099;1420481203;davout;i didn't think of the requirement to sign as an issue actually
966100;1420481290;mircea_popescu;actually, it occurs to me this needs some padding.
966101;1420481480;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12100 @ 0.00063743 = 7.7129 BTC [-]
966102;1420481480;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 3806 @ 0.00079501 = 3.0258 BTC [-] {6} 
966103;1420482346;ben_vulpes;oh and now a netsplit?
966104;1420482414;kakobrekla;it seems ircd centralization has been a problem since forever and noone has bothered to solve it
966105;1420482453;mircea_popescu;pretty much.
966106;1420482471;mircea_popescu;it's all rotten to the core, conceptually. what the shit is a "moderator" anyway ?
966107;1420482729;BingoBoingo;<mircea_popescu> it's all rotten to the core, conceptually. what the shit is a "moderator" anyway ? << They are the person at the nightclub who makes sure you drink the two drink medium, but get you off the premises if you actually get drunk.
966108;1420482767;mircea_popescu;i thought it was the dumb bitch on tv that acted important and prevented anyone from making any sense
966109;1420482915;mircea_popescu;in other news, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rqfvnZxR3yA
966110;1420482917;assbot;Ricardo Malerba Gitana Rusa  con letras - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1rYbLbi )
966111;1420482995;BingoBoingo;http://www.wlwt.com/national/deputy-supervises-okeechobee-father-spanking-daughter/30479526?utm_campaign=WLWT&utm_content=dbsZW1&utm_medium=twitter&utm_source=trueAnthem:+New+Content#!dbsZW1
966112;1420482998;assbot;Deputy supervises Okeechobee father spanking daughter | National News  - WLWT Home ... ( http://bit.ly/1rYc4To )
966113;1420483005;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12358 @ 0.00063937 = 7.9013 BTC [+] {2} 
966114;1420483013;[]bot;Bet placed: 1.4 BTC for Yes on "Light Sweet Crude Oil (WTI) Mar 2015 to drop under $50 before Feb 2015 " http://bitbet.us/bet/1082/ Odds: 57(Y):43(N) by coin, 50(Y):50(N) by weight. Total bet: 8.01048706 BTC. Current weight: 36,569.
966115;1420483031;BingoBoingo;<mircea_popescu> i thought it was the dumb bitch on tv that acted important and prevented anyone from making any sense << AH, the asshole enforcing moderate talking instrad of moderate drinking. Easy to mix those assholes up.
966116;1420483162;punkman;" Undersheriff Noel Stephen said he has personally supervised approximately 12 spankings." < lol!
966117;1420483269;mircea_popescu;http://earthweareone.com/mit-researchers-new-warning-at-todays-rate-half-of-all-u-s-children-will-be-autistic-by-2025/
966118;1420483270;assbot;MIT Researcher’s New Warning: At Today’s Rate, Half Of All U.S. Children Will Be Autistic By 2025 | Earth. We are one. ... ( http://bit.ly/1rYcYzo )
966119;1420483296;mircea_popescu;i'd be very surprised if it needs to wait for 2025. i doubt one in three english speakers i meet are not autistic as it is.
966120;1420483920;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4600 @ 0.0006402 = 2.9449 BTC [+]
966121;1420484036;mike_c;# of video games by platform for last 40 years:  https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B6l6bcsIgAEQSo5.png:large
966122;1420484037;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1rYf1n4 )
966123;1420484448;thestringpuller;mike_c: bigger image?
966124;1420484448;thestringpuller;too much png not enough svg
966125;1420484458;mike_c;srsly.  it zooms pretty well.
966126;1420484534;thestringpuller;it zooms mildly well
966127;1420484544;thestringpuller;I can't read the labels
966128;1420484545;thestringpuller;BUT
966129;1420484553;thestringpuller;i can see that the 2600 is up there with the iphone
966130;1420484560;thestringpuller;that correlation amuses me deeply
966131;1420485061;TomServo;!up adlai
966132;1420485154;mircea_popescu;i dunno if i give any importance to counts.
966133;1420485176;mircea_popescu;there's maybe 5 actual ipad games, and up to 100`000 re-skins of the same "play slots on ipad!!1" nonsense
966134;1420485228;mircea_popescu;in no case can one compare the amiga variety with the ipad variety, and bearing in mind amiga worked on 8 bit.
966135;1420485994;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 1260 @ 0.00082999 = 1.0458 BTC [-] {2} 
966136;1420486055;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 2506 @ 0.00083398 = 2.09 BTC [+] {2} 
966137;1420487250;thestringpuller;mircea_popescu: it's interesting how this also happened with 8 bit atari consoles in the late 70's / early 80's
966138;1420487265;mircea_popescu;"this" ?
966139;1420487302;thestringpuller;mircea_popescu: there's maybe 5 actual ipad games, and up to 100`000  re-skins of the same "play slots on ipad!!1" nonsense << in response to that
966140;1420487322;mircea_popescu;ah
966141;1420487329;mircea_popescu;imo worse on the 2nd pass.
966142;1420487397;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16400 @ 0.0006328 = 10.3779 BTC [-] {2} 
966143;1420487414;thestringpuller;much worse. i'm more impressed than mad at it though.
966144;1420488946;mircea_popescu;http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/2r8bmj/reminder_1000_btc_bet_that_bitcoin_will/cndh9js
966145;1420488947;assbot;btcthrowaway454 comments on Reminder: 1,000 BTC bet that Bitcoin will outperform Berkshire stock @WarrenBuffet... Time's running out and things aren't looking good. ... ( http://bit.ly/1vUuP5M )
966146;1420488954;mircea_popescu;check out all the self-contradictory haet.
966147;1420489473;mircea_popescu;da fuck.
966148;1420489541;cazalla;ty
966149;1420489870;cazalla;gaming on iphone/ipad seems to be more about positioning adverts next to controls or other interface options as to guarantee misclicks
966150;1420490447;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8250 @ 0.00063957 = 5.2765 BTC [+] {3} 
966151;1420490800;thestringpuller;haha
966152;1420490819;thestringpuller;everyone is trying to extract ad revnue with mobile apps
966153;1420490996;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6400 @ 0.00063021 = 4.0333 BTC [-] {2} 
966154;1420491037;cazalla;ya, only games that seem a good for it are the endless run and jump to avoid objects games
966155;1420491071;cazalla;not the new ones though that are full of ads, the old ones like robot unicorn attack (and not robot unicorn attack 2)
966156;1420491104;cazalla;shit like canabalt https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IMBg75_TiLw
966157;1420491105;assbot;Canabalt HD Gameplay - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1HAWSiN )
966158;1420491131;jurov;http://hpiers.obspm.fr/iers/bul/bulc/bulletinc.dat see you at 2015 June 30, 23:59:60
966159;1420491132;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1HAWYa9 )
966160;1420491170;thestringpuller;lol that adult swim game
966161;1420491215;mircea_popescu;lol wut, new time
966162;1420491315;cazalla;thestringpuller, it's the shit - for anyone that doesn't know of robot unicorn attack - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OzA4ZY_ZGo0
966163;1420491316;assbot;Robot Unicorn Attack Evolution (320k Dragon Form) - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1HAXRQe )
966164;1420491362;cazalla;nfi what that evolution one is but looks a bit better than original
966165;1420493009;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 2554 @ 0.00082447 = 2.1057 BTC [+] {5} 
966166;1420493568;BingoBoingo;!up ascii_modem
966167;1420493633;ascii_modem;ty BingoBoingo
966168;1420493645;BingoBoingo;!up Naphex
966169;1420493651;ascii_modem;re: mircea's 'ircd' article:
966170;1420493661;ascii_modem;!s kapelle
966171;1420493662;assbot;2 results for 'kapelle' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=kapelle
966172;1420493724;ascii_modem;he described, approximately, by accident, an experiment of mine - minus the fun bits
966173;1420493790;ascii_modem;i'm pleasantly surprised to learn that this is, apparently, one of those 'inevitable' inventions
966174;1420493937;ascii_modem;that or he read the log and picked the parts he liked
966175;1420494168;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22050 @ 0.000627 = 13.8254 BTC [-] {2} 
966176;1420496482;mike_c;i feel like i'm going to take some shit for this.
966177;1420496487;mike_c;http://research.microsoft.com/en-us/projects/asirra/default.aspx
966178;1420496488;assbot;ASIRRA - Microsoft Research ... ( http://bit.ly/17e8yvh )
966179;1420496515;mike_c;Microsoft shut down their captcha service, which was causing that problem on the eulorum wiki.
966180;1420496542;mike_c;diana_coman: ^
966181;1420496555;diana_coman;ha ha mike_c
966182;1420496576;kakobrekla;what, computers got good at recognizing cats ?
966183;1420496588;mike_c;srsly.  it was working really well too.
966184;1420496669;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16300 @ 0.00063105 = 10.2861 BTC [+] {2} 
966185;1420496703;diana_coman;I never got why are people supposed to prove that they are not computers/bots, really
966186;1420496722;mike_c;before that captcha the wiki was swarmed with thousands of fake accounts and pages
966187;1420496737;mike_c;they were creating hundreds of users and pages a day
966188;1420496796;diana_coman;uhm, so you're saying that effectively for all behaviour, there really ARE more bots (be it blood and flesh and bones ones) than people around on the internets
966189;1420496799;diana_coman;could be, I guess
966190;1420496883;diana_coman;I confess I did not really look into it, but I'd rather look for some way to block bots away without the expense for actual humans - dunno, maybe some kind of timestamp check thing or something similar
966191;1420496902;mike_c;Trilema tries that
966192;1420496911;diana_coman;and doesn't it succeed?
966193;1420496915;mike_c;and it is not unusual for it to catch humans
966194;1420497034;diana_coman;hmmm,  I guess then the question remains on how often that happens
966195;1420497056;diana_coman;I mean: if you ask by default humans to prove, than it happens each and every time, really, no choice there
966196;1420497068;mike_c;only each and every time you post a link.
966197;1420497083;diana_coman;really? how is that?
966198;1420497099;mike_c;idk, the thing has some smarts.  but that's why it worked sometimes and not others.
966199;1420497100;diana_coman;do you mean posting a link on trilema or on the wiki>
966200;1420497101;diana_coman;?
966201;1420497104;mike_c;the wiki
966202;1420497114;diana_coman;a, ok, I don't know about that
966203;1420497128;diana_coman;at least it did not ask me to identify cats and dogs...
966204;1420497138;mike_c;the thing is, the trilema one is extremely frustrating when it misfires.
966205;1420497143;mike_c;because you don't know even know why
966206;1420497160;diana_coman;well, so you go and yell at the owner, lol
966207;1420497189;diana_coman;that must at least let some frustration out
966208;1420497190;mike_c;yes, but this is hardly a good solution for a wiki.  you, for example, did not go yell at the owner
966209;1420497200;mike_c;you just didn't post
966210;1420497219;diana_coman;true, because I thought that well, if there is some interest in the thing, they will come asking on eulora /irc and then we sort it out
966211;1420497225;diana_coman;no need to sort it out earlier
966212;1420497232;diana_coman;and there you came asking, so it worked
966213;1420497250;diana_coman;I did raise the problem on eulora channel
966214;1420497251;mike_c;yes, but it took six weeks.  picking some cat photos seems like less of a pain.
966215;1420497278;mike_c;but, this is religious debate.
966216;1420497280;diana_coman;on some days I admit I might send the cats and dogs and site to all hell and as a result not post
966217;1420497286;mike_c;hehe
966218;1420497289;diana_coman;but then again, that might be just me, I admit it
966219;1420497551;diana_coman;btw, out of curiosity: why is this eulorom site apart entirely from mingame.bz? I thought eulora was essentially made by minigame so I don't quite follow the different sites/lack of links  or is there something I'm missing?
966220;1420497702;BingoBoingo;https://twitter.com/BBoingo/status/552233452083625984
966221;1420497703;assbot;To would-be auditors: don't play the charade of checking if exchanges are solvent once every few months; real-time crypto-auditing or GTFO.
966222;1420497845;BingoBoingo;^ @Beautyon_ @petertoddbtc  Well, @Bitstamp being more than two cans and string could have helped a lot.
966223;1420497973;thestringpuller;who remembers this: https://gist.github.com/peternixey/1978249
966224;1420498018;mike_c;diana_coman: the wiki is a "fan site".  not run by minigame.
966225;1420498167;diana_coman;ohhh, cool mike_c
966226;1420498194;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18900 @ 0.00062599 = 11.8312 BTC [-] {2} 
966227;1420498216;thestringpuller;fan boiz
966228;1420498719;mike_c;captcha fixed, no cats.
966229;1420498731;thestringpuller;captcha shoud be sloths
966230;1420498741;thestringpuller;how could a sloth ever be the face of evil
966231;1420498756;mike_c;that's the problem.  sloths can't defeat spammers.  cats can.
966232;1420498834;thestringpuller;http://static.fjcdn.com/comments/Omg+_fc9effa8742cabca49c35ae4827382e4.jpg
966233;1420498856;mike_c;wtf is that evil link?
966234;1420498878;mike_c;psa: don't click that.
966235;1420499077;thestringpuller;XD
966236;1420499087;thestringpuller;it's a picture of a sloth
966237;1420499093;thestringpuller;hosted by funnyjunk
966238;1420499915;scoopbot;New post on Qntra.net by cazalla: http://qntra.net/2015/01/vault-of-satoshi-is-closing-why/
966239;1420500085;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 3867 @ 0.00079213 = 3.0632 BTC [-] {25} 
966240;1420500146;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 2133 @ 0.00078085 = 1.6656 BTC [-] {6} 
966241;1420500329;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 3002 @ 0.00078 = 2.3416 BTC [-] {5} 
966242;1420500731;asciilifeform;;;later tell mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=05-01-2015#966169
966243;1420500731;assbot;Logged on 05-01-2015 21:34:11; ascii_modem: re: mircea's 'ircd' article:
966244;1420500749;asciilifeform;damn.
966245;1420500757;asciilifeform;like 'phantom limb.'
966246;1420501000;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 4908 @ 0.00075451 = 3.7031 BTC [-] {18} 
966247;1420501148;asciilifeform;punkman: [fpga thread] would MIPS be easier than x86? or does the problem lie in connecting the thing to outside world (fast RAM, peripherals, etc) << problem is that you can't make so much as a barrel shifter on any extant fpga without using a closed turd from the vendor - actually, two turds: one in the logic library part itself, other - the synthesis toolchain
966248;1420501249;asciilifeform;punkman: one can attempt to work with just the synthesis toolchain (no escape from it) and use netlists of 'raw' logic - i.e. simple universal constructs like 'nand gate'. the result - go try it - a very simple kindergarten-level circuit fills up the entire chip, with glacial performance (gate delays measured in msec!)
966249;1420501281;asciilifeform;this is because the entire fpga concept, as imagined by n00bs to the subject, does not actually work.
966250;1420501301;asciilifeform;folks doing actual work with fpga make very light use of the general-purpose routing matrix
966251;1420501310;asciilifeform;and of the LUTs
966252;1420501337;asciilifeform;mostly they hook up vendor 'library' parts together. these usually (though not always) correspond to miniature 'islands' of asic present on the chip
966253;1420501353;asciilifeform;e.g., an adder, a shifter, uart, 500 other kinds of part.
966254;1420501629;asciilifeform;punkman: but back to original question, mips is vastly easier to implement in programmable logic of whatever kind than x86. this ought to be obvious to anyone with even an evening's familiarity with both.
966255;1420501738;asciilifeform;anyone learn the fate of nanotube yet ?
966256;1420502192;ben_vulpes;not i
966257;1420502196;ben_vulpes;get a cloak toddf
966258;1420502206;ben_vulpes;asciilifeform: gitmo, no doubt
966259;1420502256;*;asciilifeform mutters something about parachutes
966260;1420502288;kakobrekla;do you have one?
966261;1420502312;asciilifeform;neh i only have a splat.
966262;1420502314;ben_vulpes;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=19-12-2014#956971
966263;1420502314;assbot;Logged on 19-12-2014 03:23:35; asciilifeform: i dare to invoke the 'parachute theorem' and say now, that when wot is taken seriously by intelligent and resourceful enemies, it will be rather late.
966264;1420502424;asciilifeform;!up RagnarDanneskjol
966265;1420502665;*;asciilifeform wrestles with dilemma of whether he should open up his 90 or so percent implementation of mircea_popescu's RFP
966266;1420502674;*;asciilifeform will then end up stuck with doing actual werk
966267;1420502749;*;asciilifeform fesses up that he worked on it, on and off, for some months, so as to have a 'killerapp' application for cardano when the latter is unwrapped
966268;1420502789;RagnarDanneskjol;was just telling ASCII that I understand nano is on vacay for a few days, also altgribble is avail for bcauth but not gpg
966269;1420502802;asciilifeform;altgribble ?
966270;1420502841;kakobrekla;"sir, we are out of potato, but we can offer some fresh shit. its on the house."
966271;1420502859;assbot;Last 2 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/201YNCP.txt )
966272;1420502859;asciilifeform;!b 2
966273;1420502864;RagnarDanneskjol;Yea in -OTC... Its run by someone else using cached
966274;1420502891;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14750 @ 0.0006284 = 9.2689 BTC [+]
966275;1420503318;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20346 @ 0.00062752 = 12.7675 BTC [-] {3} 
966276;1420503442;mod6;;;bc,stts
966277;1420503463;mod6;404 Gribble Not Found
966278;1420503481;mod6;forgot heh
966279;1420503685;BingoBoingo;Does anyone know if https://blockchain.info/address/1JoktQJhCzuCQkt3GnQ8Xddcq4mUgNyXEa is the Bitstamp cold address?
966280;1420503686;assbot;Bitcoin Address 1JoktQJhCzuCQkt3GnQ8Xddcq4mUgNyXEa ... ( http://bit.ly/1AxTWl5 )
966281;1420503806;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18500 @ 0.00062534 = 11.5688 BTC [-] {2} 
966282;1420503942;xanthyos;https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B6oC15SIcAAsysI.jpg
966283;1420503943;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1wfyw79 )
966284;1420503980;kakobrekla;!up Chiyo
966285;1420504044;BingoBoingo;!up svetlana
966286;1420504438;kakobrekla;!up wc-
966287;1420504782;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 2500 @ 0.00078499 = 1.9625 BTC [+] {2} 
966288;1420506263;BingoBoingo;scoopbot -fetch
966289;1420506286;scoopbot;New post on Qntra.net by Bingo Boingo: http://qntra.net/2015/01/bitstamp-wallet-now-officially-hacked/
966290;1420506296;BingoBoingo;kakobrekla: You are quoted again for who knows how many words this time.
966291;1420506491;kakobrekla;aha :)
966292;1420506547;kakobrekla;qntra down ?
966293;1420506610;BingoBoingo;Looks like it.
966294;1420506809;kakobrekla;i suspekt ddos is back on chan as well
966295;1420506983;ben_vulpes;all-channel attack, huh?
966296;1420507059;BingoBoingo;Well, at least I published the thing so it will be visible eventually.
966297;1420507437;kakobrekla;ddos on chan confirmed :)
966298;1420507559;BingoBoingo;Fuck it IRC is too advanced to be safe. We need to do baudot over ULF. 10 MW minimum to get voice.
966299;1420507605;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo will enjoy my comment on trilema then (when that site is back...)
966300;1420507627;mircea_popescu;eh what, again ?
966301;1420507647;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: your site appears to be down
966302;1420507653;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: Oh just DDoS is back on everything it seems
966303;1420507656;mircea_popescu;mkay, looking into.
966304;1420507710;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 44700 @ 0.00062635 = 27.9978 BTC [+] {2} 
966305;1420507716;mircea_popescu;"Your store/business has been published on our bitgazetteer.com website." heh.
966306;1420507734;mircea_popescu;"i know, whatsapp got 200 bn for essentially spamming, why wouldn't we!"
966307;1420507785;kakobrekla;ok
966308;1420507794;kakobrekla;fasten your seatbelts
966309;1420507796;kakobrekla;[02:23:50] <svetlana> cloaking is NOT the solution to the problem.
966310;1420507796;kakobrekla;[02:24:05] <kakobrekla> how is it not?
966311;1420507796;kakobrekla;[02:24:11] <kakobrekla> if everyone is cloaked noone can be ddosed
966312;1420507796;kakobrekla;[02:25:27] <kakobrekla> freenode is broken by default as it will show your ip plainly
966313;1420507796;kakobrekla;[02:25:49] <svetlana> it is rather trivial to look through cloaks (chanserv can, and anyone can query chanserv with various cidrs and ask whether people match).
966314;1420507799;kakobrekla;!up svetlana
966315;1420507817;mircea_popescu;...
966316;1420507833;mircea_popescu;let's start with something simple. who is svetlana.
966317;1420507855;svetlana;Hi.
966318;1420507863;mircea_popescu;ello
966319;1420507899;svetlana;I might suggest not using cloaks as the solution here. Using cidr entries in access list, and /cs why, it's quite trivial to look through them. We don't want to "teach" whoever is ddosing here that -- he'd keep doing his thing.
966320;1420507946;asciilifeform;what is the suggested solution (other than '+i' which was discussed at one point, bitter pill)
966321;1420507957;svetlana;Instead, get affected people to check their router logs and get more details about the attack.
966322;1420507970;asciilifeform;svetlana: i got a massive packet dump, and so has kakobrekla
966323;1420508003;asciilifeform;svetlana: standard ntp and ssdp 'amplification' attack
966324;1420508017;mircea_popescu;and "more details" will do what ?
966325;1420508029;svetlana;asciilifeform: It is not rather dumbly from a single IP, is it?
966326;1420508045;asciilifeform;svetlana: not familiar with term 'amplification attack' ?
966327;1420508050;svetlana;No.
966328;1420508054;BingoBoingo;svetlana: It is some asshole herding wayward machines
966329;1420508075;BingoBoingo;routers, servers, the occasional 10 kilo wordpress sites
966330;1420508079;asciilifeform;svetlana: perhaps you know it under another name. attacker sends spoofed packets to a series of machines, usually misconfigured routers and embedded systems of other kinds
966331;1420508108;asciilifeform;these reply with N bytes for each spoofed byte sent, hence term 'amplification'
966332;1420508118;asciilifeform;but they reply to the spoofed address (victim's) rather than attacker's.
966333;1420508153;svetlana;If the details that you have are not sufficient (which is somewhat often the case), we have to apply discretion and judgment to figure out who it is (before +i, it might make sense to use +r and see if it makes things stop).
966334;1420508195;mircea_popescu;svetlana so far, we still don't know who you are.
966335;1420508199;asciilifeform;aha, suggestion is that we occupy ourselves with a permanent game of whack-a-mole.
966336;1420508223;svetlana;I am from another channel where wc- was complaining about the issue. Couldn't suggest anything but not perceiving cloak as the solution, to him.
966337;1420508232;mircea_popescu;this is all nice and good, however...
966338;1420508262;mircea_popescu;the parcimonious approach is to regard you as grossly unqualified to comment on that topic.
966339;1420508268;mircea_popescu;so far you're not doing much to change that.
966340;1420508352;*;BingoBoingo suggests a "Russian Woodpecker" in every back yard...
966341;1420508369;*;asciilifeform feels mind utterly boggled at this offer of 'help' of the 'have you tried plugging it in' variety.
966342;1420508383;assbot;Last 4 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/275CDS1.txt )
966343;1420508383;BingoBoingo;!b 4
966344;1420508396;asciilifeform;'hello fellow dog, you must also be a dog for every living thing is a dog; what kind of dog are you'
966345;1420508408;decimation;I'm a horse
966346;1420508438;mircea_popescu;a hoarse dog.
966347;1420508444;decimation;asciilifeform: more evidence that your wot-router idea is needed, at any rate.
966348;1420508445;BingoBoingo;I'm mange
966349;1420508461;asciilifeform;decimation: see also mircea_popescu's article.
966350;1420508482;mircea_popescu;well, in half an hour or whatever
966351;1420508527;mircea_popescu;anyways, cool to be back to normal.
966352;1420508582;decimation;mircea_popescu: apparently mr. ddos took your 'unreliable' remarks personally
966353;1420508600;mircea_popescu;<ascii_modem> that or he read the log and picked the parts he liked << i dunno where i stole it from tbh.
966354;1420508618;decimation;he wants to provide us with his own special brand of discipline free of charge
966355;1420508619;asciilifeform;it's a thing that's been crying to have itself done for a good twenty years.
966356;1420508634;mircea_popescu;<mike_c> Microsoft shut down their captcha service, which was causing that problem on the eulorum wiki. << YOUR PAIN IS YOUR OWN PUNISHMENT
966357;1420508638;mircea_popescu;heretick!
966358;1420508684;mircea_popescu;decimation it's still not very reliable, who gets 1-5th of january off.
966359;1420508691;mircea_popescu;not to mention the poor showling last year.
966360;1420508723;mircea_popescu;anyway, this is convenient because i didn't really feel like writing reports tonight, and asciilifeform still's not sent me his mail, so
966361;1420508727;mircea_popescu;tomorro is another day!
966362;1420508739;*;asciilifeform just got back to his cockpit actually, a few hrs ago
966363;1420508888;mircea_popescu;mike_c: and it is not unusual for it to catch humans << on the plus side, i get about 10-20 pieces of spam a day, which are pretty much all handcranked. the attepts are well in the 1000s/hr. on the - side, occasionally people complain about having to redo a comment / having lost a comment in the depths.
966364;1420508906;mircea_popescu;how often has it happened ot you ?
966365;1420509147;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform: anyone learn the fate of nanotube yet ? <<< no. i was waiting for some kind of logs to surface, but seems nothing.
966366;1420509213;asciilifeform;so far just this tidbit, http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-01-2015#966268
966367;1420509213;assbot;Logged on 06-01-2015 00:06:29; RagnarDanneskjol: was just telling ASCII that I understand nano is on vacay for a few days, also altgribble is avail for bcauth but not gpg
966368;1420509237;asciilifeform;where he got this notion - he did not say.
966369;1420509374;*;mircea_popescu shrugs.
966370;1420509387;mircea_popescu;" that when wot is taken seriously by intelligent and resourceful enemies, it will be rather late." << so how late is it /
966371;1420509402;asciilifeform;!up RagnarDanneskjol
966372;1420509469;BingoBoingo;Well, if captured I am ready to be absolutely worthless.
966373;1420509539;asciilifeform;'не стреляйте, я знаю секреты' << from unofficial, unwritten nato phrasebook.
966374;1420509594;mircea_popescu;lol
966375;1420509976;mircea_popescu;anyway, trilema back, which comment or what ?
966376;1420510006;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: i sent in a comment re: 'ircd' article a few hrs ago.
966377;1420510026;mircea_popescu;a ok. http://trilema.com/2015/open-a-better-ircd-rfc/#comment-111175
966378;1420510027;assbot;[OPEN] A better ircd [RFC] pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.  ... ( http://bit.ly/1DcuMuK )
966379;1420510028;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 32700 @ 0.00063266 = 20.688 BTC [+] {3} 
966380;1420510050;mircea_popescu;"The enemy can diddle IP any way he likes," << sure, but  that's why salt is there.
966381;1420510067;mircea_popescu;i can appreciate the purity of your vision, but i'd rather have this work on current hardware. what else is there ?
966382;1420510071;asciilifeform;enemy cannot hijack session by spoofing packets, but can get really annoying
966383;1420510077;mircea_popescu;how ?
966384;1420510080;asciilifeform;dos
966385;1420510082;mircea_popescu;gimme like a scenario.
966386;1420510088;mircea_popescu;nope. port just ignores him.
966387;1420510103;asciilifeform;expends cpu cycles on doing so
966388;1420510112;asciilifeform;at any rate, no magical hardware needed!
966389;1420510121;mircea_popescu;providing he finds your ip (which i doubt), you can just switch it too.
966390;1420510131;mircea_popescu;for that matter i envisage most people using this on multiple ips
966391;1420510137;asciilifeform;the hello-in-udp-mtu lives happily on existing linux/commonplace archs
966392;1420510154;mircea_popescu;i wouldn't be against this being implemented in udp in any case.
966393;1420510156;asciilifeform;no need to keep track of ips, and to marry the notion of 'origin address'
966394;1420510173;mircea_popescu;just, needs an extra engineer.
966395;1420510183;asciilifeform;the other nice thing re: udp is that a connectionless/stateless protocol frustrates traffic analysis very well.
966396;1420510191;asciilifeform;in my 'error coding' scheme, the station transmits at all times.
966397;1420510213;asciilifeform;anyone who wants to receive the current pubmessage snapshot can start listening at any point, and will eventually end up with it
966398;1420510240;mircea_popescu;somebody up svetlana kthx
966399;1420510243;asciilifeform;after approximately 1.03N bytes for a payload originally length N
966400;1420510245;asciilifeform;!up svetlana
966401;1420510304;asciilifeform;why mircea_popescu had to ruin my surprise gift to the fine folks of #b-a. i was gonna roll that thing out with cardano.
966402;1420510322;assbot;Last 1 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/23BVBB2.txt )
966403;1420510322;BingoBoingo;!b 1
966404;1420510324;asciilifeform;now one of you lot will end up having to write it!
966405;1420510325;mircea_popescu;well cuz i didnt know, cuz someone didn't tell me
966406;1420510327;asciilifeform;from scratch.
966407;1420510329;mircea_popescu;cuz no mail apparently.
966408;1420510335;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu does not like surprise
966409;1420510338;asciilifeform;lol
966410;1420510388;asciilifeform;at any rate, i did bring it up in here on a few occasions. but did append the gotcha, 'not ready for battlefield because little time' - which is presently true
966411;1420510443;*;asciilifeform currently failing to load mircea_popescu's site, but believes that somewhere it works
966412;1420510463;mircea_popescu;;;isup beh
966413;1420510467;mircea_popescu;well, it works on MY SYSTEM
966414;1420510489;asciilifeform;i still want that fpga that evolves to live in one particular floor tile of your cellar.
966415;1420510496;kakobrekla;it doesnt work.
966416;1420510498;asciilifeform;when the moon is just waning.
966417;1420510587;kakobrekla;svetlana here is butthurt and types in wrong (mine) window http://dpaste.com/131FHBZ.txt
966418;1420510588;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1tEs8Fx )
966419;1420510597;kakobrekla;please svetlana if you have anything to say, here instead.
966420;1420510635;svetlana;I didn't think that discussing non-bitcoin stuff here is very welcome, but if you want me to stop talking with you in /msg I'm fine with that :)
966421;1420510659;kakobrekla;its very welcome as long as its not nonsense.
966422;1420510681;BingoBoingo;svetlana: You'd e surprised how infrequent specific BTC talk is here
966423;1420510696;svetlana;isn't vpn distributed? I'm rather surprised at that reaction
966424;1420510706;svetlana;I don't expect it to be very easy to attack ...
966425;1420510707;thestringpuller;cazalla: you around?
966426;1420510730;cazalla;mebe, no time for pokemon atm though
966427;1420510739;BingoBoingo;svetlana: Specific VPN's are centralized
966428;1420510756;cazalla;bit bored of it atm tbh, might take a little break from it and come back to it in a few weeks
966429;1420510766;svetlana;I'll get someone to write a good guide on the bitcoin wiki (I'm not good at this subject and I found someone who is better)
966430;1420510792;mircea_popescu;kakobrekla asciilifeform slow, but i see it. anyway, eventually derp will run out of juice in an hour or whatever xmas money affords and that's that.
966431;1420510849;kakobrekla;you think it lizards ?
966432;1420510897;kakobrekla;svetlana vpn is not much better than a bnc and tor wont fly here.
966433;1420510968;kakobrekla;whats next, sending people to ircloud ?
966434;1420510976;*;BingoBoingo still waits for avians to depose lizards
966435;1420510985;mircea_popescu;all this emotion talk, surprises, expectations, feelings and whatnot.
966436;1420510994;mircea_popescu;is it women in tech day or something ?
966437;1420510998;svetlana;irccloud is pretty central; I'll disappear for a bit, thanks for bearing with me
966438;1420511037;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: Nah, it is this years's Derp spores beginning to emerge from the damp log.
966439;1420511139;*;BingoBoingo hopes these sutures heal without much of a scar.
966440;1420511232;BingoBoingo;http://qntra.net/2015/01/bitstamp-wallet-now-officially-hacked/
966441;1420511233;assbot;BitStamp Wallet Now Officially "Hacked" | Qntra.net ... ( http://bit.ly/1tEtgJ6 )
966442;1420511305;thestringpuller;elon musk is doing an AMA http://www.reddit.com/r/IAmA/comments/2rgsan/i_am_elon_musk_ceocto_of_a_rocket_company_ama/
966443;1420511309;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10624 @ 0.00063471 = 6.7432 BTC [+]
966444;1420511338;mircea_popescu;o wow so it was "hacked" eh ?
966445;1420511345;mircea_popescu;not fractional reserve or anything.
966446;1420511365;BingoBoingo;Yeah, they claim to be able to over all, but they admit to 18k + "gone"
966447;1420511384;mircea_popescu;and they can cover 5mn+. through the process of what ?
966448;1420511387;BingoBoingo;On Coindesk of course. Never on their official site
966449;1420511387;mircea_popescu;they're not worth 5mn.
966450;1420511387;mike_c;<@mircea_popescu> how often has it happened ot you ? << I like your system.  But diana was proposing it as bulletproof or panacea for all ills.
966451;1420511397;mike_c;of which it is neither
966452;1420511407;mircea_popescu;mike_c was more curious trying to keep track of that eternal "nobody complains so no problems" thing
966453;1420511435;mircea_popescu;afaik it works fine, but then again how do i know.
966454;1420511455;mike_c;that is a much bigger problem on the wiki.  For you, you will get x comments and know there are 10x problems
966455;1420511461;mircea_popescu;"A total of 18,867.62695929 BTC were moved from BitStamp's hot wallet"
966456;1420511463;mircea_popescu;maybe i'm confused.
966457;1420511469;mike_c;I will get 0 comments and have no idea how bad the problem is.
966458;1420511475;mircea_popescu;but wtf is 18k doing in a hot wallet.
966459;1420511485;mircea_popescu;mike_c that's a point.
966460;1420511493;mike_c;s/comments/complaints/
966461;1420511507;kakobrekla;the wallet is cold only if its empty, doh.
966462;1420511547;mircea_popescu;"BitStamp surpassed Mt Gox is trading volume in 2013, largely on the strength of its not being Mt Gox."
966463;1420511550;mircea_popescu;well... fixed that.
966464;1420511634;thestringpuller;is qntra down for anyone else?
966465;1420511637;mircea_popescu;kako sounds so angry in interviews. you gotta relax for teh press man!
966466;1420511646;mircea_popescu;thestringpuller for a selected few.
966467;1420511655;thestringpuller;ah. dat ddos
966468;1420511660;kakobrekla;that is taken from forums from years ago?
966469;1420511683;mircea_popescu;kakobrekla oh i thought it was new. mah bad.
966470;1420511683;BingoBoingo;kakobrekla: Yeah, last June
966471;1420511704;kakobrekla;forums really pissed me off.
966472;1420511708;BingoBoingo;kakobrekla: If you want to write a "Bitstamp always sucked piece" Qntra could run it.
966473;1420511717;kakobrekla;now that im banned im just depressed.
966474;1420511736;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 43200 @ 0.00064132 = 27.705 BTC [+] {4} 
966475;1420511738;BingoBoingo;kakobrekla: You know desoxyn is a hell of an anti-depressant
966476;1420511740;mircea_popescu;"the smaller sum of 18,000 BTC missing presents a still more onerous obstacle than Mt Gox faced in absolute terms as that many Bitcoin are largely unavailable to most people at any price denominated in national currency."
966477;1420511747;mircea_popescu;definitely to people without a wot.
966478;1420511769;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo stop getting my casino cookie guy hooked on sugars.
966479;1420511769;kakobrekla;actually not reading chan to be reminded how all sucks helps as well.
966480;1420511799;BingoBoingo;Even with. With WoT you'd still likely need a more tangible item to trade for that many than $$$$... Prolly Plutonium would do.
966481;1420511809;mircea_popescu;poor kako. everyone sucks, and then he gets depressed and teh woman offers to suck him...
966482;1420511810;BingoBoingo;Space ship might barely do.
966483;1420511819;thestringpuller;Plutonium gives you ball cancer.
966484;1420511851;BingoBoingo;thestringpuller: Apparently you aren't supposed to use the powder for that.
966485;1420512324;asciilifeform;lol, emotions!
966486;1420512325;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=08-10-2014#864590
966487;1420512325;assbot;Logged on 08-10-2014 17:47:47; *: asciilifeform has only a simple four-bit feelings register (sloth, avarice, lust, wrath)
966488;1420512425;BingoBoingo;So this internet of things... What the fuck is not intuitive enough about how a stove works already.
966489;1420512587;thestringpuller;Dude i know
966490;1420512604;thestringpuller;the CEO of the company I'm at keeps using that word all the time
966491;1420512612;thestringpuller;"We are ready for the internet of things"
966492;1420512617;thestringpuller;"The internet of things this, and that"
966493;1420512623;thestringpuller;i hate it more than "The cloud"
966494;1420512676;asciilifeform;not everyone can afford golden toilet, but anyone can have a throne with ipv6.
966495;1420512680;asciilifeform;or something like that.
966496;1420512815;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: bona fide throne has homo sapien to catch turds with mouth
966497;1420512958;BingoBoingo;http://arstechnica.com/gaming/2015/01/supreme-court-justice-second-guesses-decisive-vote-in-gaming-free-speech-case/ <<lol
966498;1420512959;assbot;Supreme Court justice second-guesses decisive vote in gaming free speech case | Ars Technica ... ( http://bit.ly/1tEwMU4 )
966499;1420513194;decimation;svetlana: why doesn't someone fix the 'problem' with cloaks by re-writing ircd into something sane?
966500;1420513346;decimation;http://www.itworld.com/article/2864675/new-lie-detector-relies-on-fullbody-suit-for-better-accuracy.html << lol these guys want to sell gimp suits for hazing usg employees
966501;1420513350;assbot;New lie detector relies on full-body suit for better accuracy | ITworld ... ( http://bit.ly/1tExxwi )
966502;1420513378;asciilifeform;decimation: await the next version, resembling 'iron maiden' ?
966503;1420513380;cazalla;thestringpuller, didja know even pokemon has cloud storage for pokemans with the pokemon bank
966504;1420513395;decimation;asciilifeform: yeah, it has 99% accuracy!!!
966505;1420513566;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 56600 @ 0.00065173 = 36.8879 BTC [+] {3} 
966506;1420513664;thestringpuller;cazalla: ya. since black and white I thought
966507;1420513710;cazalla;not the app one you download but the paid monthly service, i thought it was more recent but perhaps i am wrong, i bow to your knowledge as a pokemon master
966508;1420513726;thestringpuller;lol i'm not pokemone master
966509;1420513729;thestringpuller;not since 99'
966510;1420513735;thestringpuller;'99 ***
966511;1420513851;mircea_popescu;decimation there's a fundamental difference between those who use tools and those who make tools.
966512;1420513872;decimation;what about those who make 'tools'?
966513;1420513881;mircea_popescu;take a week to work in say a supermarket or something. the helplessness of common postmodern man (well, mostly woman) is impressive.
966514;1420514154;mircea_popescu;http://pastebin.com/mhmhnATj << tales from the ddos.
966515;1420514155;assbot;     10 220.255.1.101        2 220.255.1.102        1 220.255.1.103        5 220 - Pastebin.com ... ( http://bit.ly/1tEz7hO )
966516;1420514315;decimation;interesting, from singapore
966517;1420514419;mircea_popescu;teh qty of work poured into it is kinda lulzy.
966518;1420514592;decimation;can you see if it is actually http traffic or is it more pnp reflection?
966519;1420514593;mircea_popescu;<assbot> New lie detector relies on full-body suit for better accuracy | ITworld << makes me think... most dudes think they know fucking...
966520;1420514597;mircea_popescu;maybe it should be dildo.
966521;1420514600;mircea_popescu;decimation no it's http.
966522;1420514652;mircea_popescu;220.255.1.101 - - [05/Jan/2015:09:16:48 -0500] "GET etc
966523;1420514816;BingoBoingo;At this rate actual IPv4 addresses will never be exhausted. too many are simply occupied atm by lusers and spammzors
966524;1420514832;mircea_popescu;or derps.
966525;1420514844;mircea_popescu;ipv4 "not being enough" is a sad symptom of letting too many people in.
966526;1420514865;mircea_popescu;sort-of like "there are not enough places in college for all the kids"
966527;1420514872;mircea_popescu;backwards.
966528;1420514962;BingoBoingo;Except now there are too many places in college for the kids, because people dun wanna go no moar.
966529;1420514989;mircea_popescu;also that.
966530;1420515067;mircea_popescu;so practical macroeconomics exercise. venezuela, which is in the shitter, quotes the dollar officially at 12 bolivars. meanwhile, black rate is ~170.
966531;1420515087;mircea_popescu;the govt is considering yielding, and bringing the official bolivar to 50ish.
966532;1420515096;mircea_popescu;should it do that, what's the likely evolution of the black market rate ?
966533;1420515147;mircea_popescu;http://cachecdn.cdnhost2000xl.com/tthumbs/2/27145.jpg and a vignette to help the thinking process along.
966534;1420515148;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1xzeE34 )
966535;1420515192;BingoBoingo;Well, I imagine dilemma isn't too different from my present ability to buy a gallon of gas for $2 because America is dumping its entire oild reserve now to try to fuck Russia in this moment.
966536;1420515213;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 39050 @ 0.0006564 = 25.6324 BTC [+] {4} 
966537;1420515717;mircea_popescu;http://i.imgur.com/lGxKLnX.gif
966538;1420515718;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1xzfNr8 )
966539;1420515934;BingoBoingo;lol
966540;1420515936;decimation;http://www.ronpaulinstitute.org/archives/featured-articles/2015/january/05/blowback-on-the-saudi-border-senior-general-killed/ << us isn't dumping oil, saudi arabia is, and not doing too well
966541;1420515939;assbot;The Ron Paul Institute for Peace and Prosperity : Blowback on the Saudi Border – Senior General Killed ... ( http://bit.ly/1BCgjnJ )
966542;1420515956;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: Old lead mining town there. Can't expect much brightness there.
966543;1420516555;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33400 @ 0.00066138 = 22.0901 BTC [+] {3} 
966544;1420516564;decimation;!up svetlana
966545;1420517043;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10281 @ 0.0006555 = 6.7392 BTC [-]
966546;1420517538;BingoBoingo;!up nubbins`
966547;1420517545;nubbins`;well hello
966548;1420517775;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4870 @ 0.00066186 = 3.2233 BTC [+]
966549;1420517785;BingoBoingo;hello nubbins`
966550;1420518019;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15050 @ 0.00064031 = 9.6367 BTC [-] {3} 
966551;1420518812;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7050 @ 0.00063731 = 4.493 BTC [-]
966552;1420519774;mircea_popescu;decimation amusingly enough pretty much everyone is selling under production
966553;1420519777;mircea_popescu;but they're not stopping.
966554;1420519781;mircea_popescu;now, why that is...
966555;1420519821;mircea_popescu;if anyone cares, there was another ddos bout, but it didn't do anything.
966556;1420519844;kakobrekla;wai you get all the fun
966557;1420519845;kakobrekla;:(
966558;1420519911;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4800 @ 0.00062519 = 3.0009 BTC [-]
966559;1420520023;mircea_popescu;i guess cause i'm taller ?
966560;1420520038;kakobrekla;not by that much...
966561;1420520053;mircea_popescu;maybe it's first past the pole.
966562;1420520703;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17250 @ 0.00063731 = 10.9936 BTC [+]
966563;1420520947;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28900 @ 0.00066266 = 19.1509 BTC [+] {2} 
966564;1420521082;mircea_popescu;o look, nubsy
966565;1420521097;mircea_popescu;finally found the internet end of the cable ?
966566;1420521318;mircea_popescu;o look, another one lol.
966567;1420521668;mircea_popescu;neways, enough excitement for one night. laters!
966568;1420522072;punkman;asciilifeform: not everyone can afford golden toilet, but anyone can have a throne with ipv6. << relevant http://media.ccc.de/browse/congress/2014/31c3_-_6370_-_en_-_saal_g_-_201412281900_-_internet_of_toilets_-_tbsprs.html#video
966569;1420522073;assbot;C3TV -Internet of toilets ... ( http://bit.ly/1HD7KNm )
966570;1420522645;asciilifeform;quotes the dollar officially at 12 bolivars. meanwhile, black rate is ~17 << mega-lol!! >> at one point, iirc, 'vanity' exchange rate of soviet ruble was 12 per usd.
966571;1420522699;asciilifeform;(yes, people found ways to 'milk' it.)
966572;1420522778;asciilifeform;https://books.google.com/books?id=Ut_0AgAAQBAJ&lpg=PA44&ots=uzdXPijFi9&dq=ruble%20vanity%20exchange%20rate&pg=PA44#v=onepage&q=ruble%20vanity%20exchange%20rate&f=false << herr orlov's recollections
966573;1420522780;assbot;The Five Stages of Collapse: Survivors' Toolkit - Dmitry Orlov - Google Books ... ( http://bit.ly/1xMOThs )
966574;1420522960;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16487 @ 0.00066355 = 10.9399 BTC [+]
966575;1420523049;punkman;http://www.routercheck.com/2014/08/14/major-problems-tr-069/  http://media.ccc.de/browse/congress/2014/31c3_-_6166_-_en_-_saal_6_-_201412282145_-_too_many_cooks_-_exploiting_the_internet-of-tr-069-things_-_lior_oppenheim_-_shahar_tal.html
966576;1420523051;assbot;Major Problems with TR-069 - RouterCheck ... ( http://bit.ly/1HDc5QC )
966577;1420523051;assbot;C3TV -Too Many Cooks - Exploiting the Internet-of-TR-069-Things ... ( http://bit.ly/1HDc671 )
966578;1420523059;punkman;so where do I get real router again?
966579;1420523126;punkman;or rather PCI dsl modem
966580;1420523151;asciilifeform;'openwrt' etc, on hardware of reasonable vintage
966581;1420523180;asciilifeform;build - personally.
966582;1420523256;asciilifeform;(this gets you over the arguably low bar of having the router be no more exploitable than the machine(s) it is connected to...)
966583;1420523267;punkman;as in old router/modem thingy?
966584;1420523304;asciilifeform;as in something that doesn't have a multitude of undocumented internal sub-cpu cores running fuck knows what
966585;1420523315;asciilifeform;(see earlier 'arm' threads)
966586;1420523574;asciilifeform;must remind readers that your machines are as 'real' - or unreal - as you are.
966587;1420523968;asciilifeform;would you buy an x86 pc box and use it with the factory-installed softs? no? then why would you do this with router ?
966588;1420525766;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26406 @ 0.00066355 = 17.5217 BTC [+]
966589;1420525827;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4535 @ 0.00065246 = 2.9589 BTC [-] {2} 
966590;1420526254;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29515 @ 0.00066764 = 19.7054 BTC [+] {2} 
966591;1420527047;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12467 @ 0.00066934 = 8.3447 BTC [+]
966592;1420527413;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8650 @ 0.00067046 = 5.7995 BTC [+]
966593;1420528450;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10733 @ 0.00066982 = 7.1892 BTC [-]
966594;1420529975;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19700 @ 0.00063473 = 12.5042 BTC [-] {2} 
966595;1420530511;[]bot;Bet created: "Light Sweet Crude Oil (WTI) to drop under $40 before Mar 2015" http://bitbet.us/bet/1096/
966596;1420530519;[]bot;Bet placed: 1 BTC for Yes on "Light Sweet Crude Oil (WTI) to drop under $40 before Mar 2015" http://bitbet.us/bet/1096/ Odds: 96(Y):4(N) by coin, 96(Y):4(N) by weight. Total bet: 1.12 BTC. Current weight: 99,703.
966597;1420530651;cazalla;BitBet.us - Rejected - that feeling of failure :\
966598;1420530768;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11700 @ 0.00062865 = 7.3552 BTC [-]
966599;1420531012;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23000 @ 0.00062519 = 14.3794 BTC [-]
966600;1420532537;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8006 @ 0.00062865 = 5.033 BTC [+]
966601;1420532659;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19100 @ 0.00062892 = 12.0124 BTC [+] {2} 
966602;1420533269;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14244 @ 0.00062903 = 8.9599 BTC [+]
966603;1420534490;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22900 @ 0.0006405 = 14.6675 BTC [+] {2} 
966604;1420535160;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8906 @ 0.00063521 = 5.6572 BTC [-]
966605;1420536685;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3350 @ 0.00062969 = 2.1095 BTC [-]
966606;1420537722;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14150 @ 0.00062519 = 8.8464 BTC [-]
966607;1420539241;cazalla;woohoo, go to shops, find an intact tower on side of road otw back
966608;1420539310;cazalla;"property of IBM Australia Credit Limited"
966609;1420541382;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14700 @ 0.00062687 = 9.215 BTC [+]
966610;1420544249;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6650 @ 0.00062519 = 4.1575 BTC [-]
966611;1420545530;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23193 @ 0.00062446 = 14.4831 BTC [-] {2} 
966612;1420545896;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22722 @ 0.00063318 = 14.3871 BTC [+] {2} 
966613;1420546262;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 2375 @ 0.00079899 = 1.8976 BTC [+] {2} 
966614;1420547360;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3150 @ 0.00065028 = 2.0484 BTC [+]
966615;1420548275;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18900 @ 0.00064844 = 12.2555 BTC [-] {2} 
966616;1420549617;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8400 @ 0.00062913 = 5.2847 BTC [-]
966617;1420551325;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29400 @ 0.00062236 = 18.2974 BTC [-] {2} 
966618;1420554515;mike_c;;;later tell jurov re: dec. qntra shares http://dpaste.com/3FJ1DGC
966619;1420554516;assbot;dpaste: 3FJ1DGC ... ( http://bit.ly/1DtDBNU )
966620;1420554527;mike_c;oh. doh. stupid gribble
966621;1420555351;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2678 @ 0.00061857 = 1.6565 BTC [-]
966622;1420556815;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29300 @ 0.00061615 = 18.0532 BTC [-]
966623;1420557243;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 39822 @ 0.00062137 = 24.7442 BTC [+] {2} 
966624;1420557710;TomServo;!up nubbins`
966625;1420558950;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 37715 @ 0.0006136 = 23.1419 BTC [-] {3} 
966626;1420559086;thestringpuller;nubbins`!!
966627;1420559101;thestringpuller;sir nubbins` returns for the btc apocalypse
966628;1420559106;nubbins`;greetings, fellow wealthy elite
966629;1420559162;TomServo;!up Naphex
966630;1420559371;Naphex;thanks
966631;1420559464;thestringpuller;how goes it nubbins` curator and creator of dee arts
966632;1420559650;TomServo;!up nubbins`
966633;1420559668;TomServo;nubbins`: if you're still wanting to see your work in the wild, here you go: http://i.imgur.com/EAXAWHL.jpg
966634;1420559670;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1tM62GS )
966635;1420559733;nubbins`;busy
966636;1420559745;nubbins`;oh, right on!
966637;1420559753;nubbins`;#52, that's pretty low
966638;1420559794;nubbins`;in fact, #2 from the publicly-available ones :D
966639;1420559865;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16000 @ 0.00061287 = 9.8059 BTC [-]
966640;1420559988;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23200 @ 0.00063966 = 14.8401 BTC [+]
966641;1420560029;thestringpuller;glad to know you haven't been kidnapped by terrorists mr. nubbins`
966642;1420560148;jurov;mike_c thanks!
966643;1420560363;nubbins`;or have i
966644;1420560388;mike_c;yw.  a few bitcents in the tip jar :)
966645;1420560475;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8400 @ 0.00061287 = 5.1481 BTC [-]
966646;1420560566;jurov;;;later tell mircea_popescu care to send qntr shares over?
966647;1420560620;mike_c;gribble is still dead
966648;1420560719;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10429 @ 0.00063966 = 6.671 BTC [+]
966649;1420561025;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25650 @ 0.00063391 = 16.2598 BTC [-] {2} 
966650;1420562427;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15523 @ 0.00063966 = 9.9294 BTC [+]
966651;1420562793;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 155 @ 0.00670182 = 1.0388 BTC [-] {9} 
966652;1420562855;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 127 @ 0.00807821 = 1.0259 BTC [-]
966653;1420563708;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21971 @ 0.00064356 = 14.1397 BTC [+] {2} 
966654;1420565173;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18244 @ 0.00063088 = 11.5098 BTC [-] {3} 
966655;1420566324;BingoBoingo;jurov: http://dpaste.com/1BV7FCV
966656;1420566325;assbot;dpaste: 1BV7FCV ... ( http://bit.ly/1DfTV7U )
966657;1420566333;BingoBoingo;Thx
966658;1420566502;BingoBoingo;!up pete_dushenski
966659;1420566510;pete_dushenski;ty :)
966660;1420566556;jurov;BingoBoingo: good but it needs a destination
966661;1420566563;jurov;it's the same as last month?
966662;1420566570;BingoBoingo;Yeah
966663;1420566863;pete_dushenski;lol this is the random trilema post that just popped up for me: http://trilema.com/2013/any-questions/
966664;1420566864;assbot;Any questions ? pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.  ... ( http://bit.ly/1DfWiaJ )
966665;1420566868;pete_dushenski;^fitting
966666;1420566921;mike_c;oh i miss mpoe-pr:  "Yes, for as long as you don't try to take them out they're safe."
966667;1420566949;pete_dushenski;those years in the trenches...
966668;1420567028;pete_dushenski;mike_c so anything exciting in the pipeline for btcalpha ?
966669;1420567056;mike_c;much improved bitbet analyzer coming soon.  it is being stubborn about getting finished, but it will happen.
966670;1420567067;pete_dushenski;a nice
966671;1420567080;pete_dushenski;i've used it a few times
966672;1420567110;pete_dushenski;can't say it terribly influenced my decisions, or if it did, not for the better.
966673;1420567120;mike_c;hehe.  more betting!
966674;1420567146;pete_dushenski;the optimised tangent always encourages what is imo over-betting
966675;1420567174;mike_c;well, the "correct" amount to bet depends on what you think the % chance of the event happening is.
966676;1420567187;pete_dushenski;"pot odds"
966677;1420567191;mike_c;the new analyzer will tell you how much to bet based on your input of % of event happenning.
966678;1420567212;pete_dushenski;heh i like the sound of that
966679;1420567318;pete_dushenski;mike_c don't suppose there's been any bidders for wol eh ?
966680;1420567328;mike_c;nope
966681;1420567361;pete_dushenski;what did it cost to build ?
966682;1420567367;pete_dushenski;roughly
966683;1420567396;mike_c;six months of my life and $5k?
966684;1420567445;pete_dushenski;let's say you're worth $100k per year? so $55 k.
966685;1420567453;mike_c;i am worth much more than that.
966686;1420567473;pete_dushenski;lol this we know ;)
966687;1420567475;mike_c;(not that i'm bitter)
966688;1420567523;pete_dushenski;but your net worth != your hypothetical salary either
966689;1420567546;pete_dushenski;your salary would be based on your skills as applied to this project
966690;1420567587;mike_c;how much do you think it would cost to hire someone to build something like that and trust that it would be done well?
966691;1420567609;mike_c;your estimation was $50 / hr.  I doubt that is the case.
966692;1420567629;pete_dushenski;well a decent lawyer is $350/hr
966693;1420567641;pete_dushenski;let's say we're talking that level of professionalism
966694;1420567657;mike_c;that is excessive.  call it $100/hr.
966695;1420567670;pete_dushenski;ok, so wol is $105k.
966696;1420567677;mike_c;feels right
966697;1420567692;pete_dushenski;hm ya
966698;1420567708;pete_dushenski;surprisingly close to the ~500 btc ipo
966699;1420567719;pete_dushenski;if you have $200 btc, which we almost do
966700;1420567758;pete_dushenski;but of course the cost to build doesn't equal the value of the finished product
966701;1420567782;pete_dushenski;a useful product should be valued much higher, a useless product much lower
966702;1420567810;pete_dushenski;anyways, now we know that mike_c is $100/hr!
966703;1420567830;mike_c;don't believe it.  i'm not for hire :)
966704;1420567903;assbot;Last 2 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/3XHEG1P.txt )
966705;1420567903;BingoBoingo;!b 2
966706;1420568238;mircea_popescu;http://i61.tinypic.com/aczr6x.png < lol
966707;1420568240;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1Dg3cMZ )
966708;1420568288;mircea_popescu;http://www.bizjournals.com/sanfrancisco/blog/2015/01/xoom-corp-fraud-30m-corporate-cash-cfo.html cazalla / BingoBoingo
966709;1420568289;assbot;Xoom Corp. CFO resigns after fraudsters steal $30.8M in corporate cash - San Francisco Business Times ... ( http://bit.ly/1Dg3uDG )
966710;1420568334;mircea_popescu;pity i hadn't made a derp for THIS one.
966711;1420568365;mircea_popescu;pete_dushenski: ^fitting << hehe not bad eh.
966712;1420568405;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14297 @ 0.00062758 = 8.9725 BTC [-] {2} 
966713;1420568437;pete_dushenski;prescient!
966714;1420568452;mircea_popescu;lol.
966715;1420568466;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11628 @ 0.00065027 = 7.5613 BTC [+] {2} 
966716;1420568469;mircea_popescu;i guess the largest shock to noobs is swallowing the actual history of mp-*, as it was.
966717;1420568479;mircea_popescu;too livresque for reason.
966718;1420568487;mircea_popescu;jurov: ;;later tell mircea_popescu care to send qntr shares over? << aye.
966719;1420569408;BingoBoingo;http://qntra.net/2015/01/remittance-company-xoom-loses-corporate-cash-to-fraud/
966720;1420569409;assbot;Remittance Company Xoom Loses Corporate Cash To Fraud | Qntra.net ... ( http://bit.ly/1IlQryE )
966721;1420569436;mircea_popescu;check that out, this new year was 1420070400. at some point during ny eve it crossed 1,42 trillion
966722;1420569503;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14256 @ 0.000655 = 9.3377 BTC [+]
966723;1420569509;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo if you add another whole paragraph about how dollars are inherently unsafe, used by terrorists and probably not going to "make it", culled directly from the idiocy spewed by idiots about btc
966724;1420569513;mircea_popescu;i'd love you long time.
966725;1420569530;scoopbot;New post on Qntra.net by Bingo Boingo: http://qntra.net/2015/01/remittance-company-xoom-loses-corporate-cash-to-fraud/
966726;1420569573;mircea_popescu;should be standard practice for any article mentioning fiat. the msm is doing it to us, obviously we'll be doing it to them. let teh public pick up the pieces.
966727;1420569598;BingoBoingo;k
966728;1420569784;pete_dushenski;https://twitter.com/Sathnam/status/552395263655280641
966729;1420569786;assbot;Love how Zuckerberg talks about books as if they are funky new app he has discovered. From /thetimes http://t.co/rum1YGcSt8
966730;1420569805;pete_dushenski;and i'm off. cheers!
966731;1420569931;mircea_popescu;i really don't think they should be called books properly.
966732;1420569942;mircea_popescu;clearly they infringe on facebook intellectual propertahs.
966733;1420569945;BingoBoingo;updated
966734;1420570038;mircea_popescu;i dun think it saved or something ?
966735;1420570314;BingoBoingo;I didn't add much this time. Gotta think of more lines for future fiat articles.
966736;1420570455;mircea_popescu;yeh not very good.
966737;1420570484;mircea_popescu;mainly because it somehow elides that the problem is the dollar.
966738;1420570598;mircea_popescu;anyway, too lazy to go into the 2012-2013 collection of "media" derpage.
966739;1420570675;BingoBoingo;Takes time to get the venom ready. There's bound to be other stories to dip in the venom when its ready.
966740;1420570737;mircea_popescu;tis a point hehe
966741;1420571028;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25925 @ 0.00065029 = 16.8588 BTC [-]
966742;1420571133;mircea_popescu;it occurs to me... it must suck to be a lesbian. i mean a real one, the whatever, .4% demographic.
966743;1420571133;scoopbot;New post on Trilema by Mircea Popescu: http://trilema.com/2015/mpex-smpoe-december-2014-statement/
966744;1420571176;mircea_popescu;not only are your odds of finding a like minded soul vanishingly tiny, but you're deluged in all the fat idiots who think that they may "hate men", as something that's at their disposal, and it's your job and obligation to humor them, because "you're different".
966745;1420571206;mircea_popescu;and will raise hell if you dare observe that they're the same stinky, unbearable, impossible idiots that men think they are, pretending lesbianism is not a magical cure.
966746;1420571258;mircea_popescu;meanwhile gay men have for one thing five to ten times as many legit other gay men to meet, and looser dudes make up "men going alone" clubs instead of deciding they're now gay and the gay community must turn itself into mcdonalds to accomodate them.
966747;1420571456;thestringpuller;cazalla: back yet?
966748;1420571792;bitstein;Gavin just posted this. Thought y'all would be interested: http://gavintech.blogspot.com/2015/01/looking-before-scaling-up-leap.html
966749;1420571794;assbot;GavinTech: Looking before the Scaling Up Leap ... ( http://bit.ly/1xOTk8l )
966750;1420571832;asciilifeform;axe-time, sword-time, coming closer
966751;1420571865;mircea_popescu;i can't be arsed to read blogspot junk.
966752;1420571888;mircea_popescu;maybe if someone important said something. maybe.
966753;1420572246;TomServo;What would Gavin be referring to when he says "the reference implementation"?
966754;1420572273;mircea_popescu;systemd, perhaps.
966755;1420572277;TomServo;heh
966756;1420572285;mircea_popescu;i dunno that they have much other reference.
966757;1420572306;mircea_popescu;but anyway, gavin hasn't been making any sense for a long time now.
966758;1420572585;TomServo;Yes, and reading this makes that ring even more true.
966759;1420573050;mircea_popescu;kakobrekla check out the power and influence of bitbet. so, there's http://bitbet.us/bet/962/obama-approval-rating-over-45-in-2014/
966760;1420573051;assbot;BitBet - Obama Approval Rating over 45% in 2014 :: 0.16 B (53%) on Yes, 0.14 B (47%) on No | closed 2 weeks 5 days ago ... ( http://bit.ly/1xOWMjn )
966761;1420573061;mircea_popescu;now check out gallup : http://www.gallup.com/poll/116479/Barack-Obama-Presidential-Job-Approval.aspx
966762;1420573063;assbot;Presidential Approval Ratings -- Barack Obama | Gallup Historical Data & Trends ... ( http://bit.ly/1xOWN76 )
966763;1420573067;mircea_popescu;NEVER throughout the year has it been over 45
966764;1420573095;mircea_popescu;except they shoved a 46 in there at the end for the first week of 2015. which, of course, includes three days of 2014.
966765;1420573120;mircea_popescu;this was a coincidence, right ? and gallup actually conducts its polls, like irl, right ?
966766;1420575176;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17250 @ 0.00061584 = 10.6232 BTC [-]
966767;1420575540;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu achtung
966768;1420575550;mircea_popescu;hm ?
966769;1420575578;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu incoming pgp
966770;1420575592;mircea_popescu;coolness.
966771;1420575726;kakobrekla;yes, the power of coincidence is great power.
966772;1420575731;Apocalyptic;wtf blogspot doesn't load at all without js, seriously... bitstein could you post a text pastebin ?
966773;1420575801;bitstein;http://pastebin.com/YfQLnKQz
966774;1420575802;assbot;Looking before the Scaling Up Leap - Pastebin.com ... ( http://bit.ly/1xBMVyG )
966775;1420575812;Apocalyptic;thank you
966776;1420575847;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5575 @ 0.00062973 = 3.5107 BTC [+]
966777;1420576228;jurov;BingoBoingo thestringpuller : qntra shares transferred
966778;1420576874;mircea_popescu;scoopbot -fetch
966779;1420576891;mircea_popescu;!echo scoopbot -fetch
966780;1420576895;mircea_popescu;hm.
966781;1420576996;thestringpuller;jurov: thank you
966782;1420577018;mircea_popescu;bitstein thanks for the pastebin.
966783;1420577019;kakobrekla;heh, i sent some ppl to check the logs sometimes, mostly i get back "what language is this, english?"
966784;1420577109;mircea_popescu;i guess it's time to write a post about all this.
966785;1420577182;bitstein;You're welcome
966786;1420577353;rithm;20mb blocks eh
966787;1420577358;rithm;200mb blocks even
966788;1420577537;scoopbot;New post on Trilema by Mircea Popescu: http://trilema.com/2015/oil-theory/
966789;1420577553;thestringpuller;lol scoopy scoopy doo
966790;1420577586;thestringpuller;asciilifeform: do we have to bring our own pitchforks or will they be provided for us?
966791;1420577606;asciilifeform;own
966792;1420577621;kakobrekla;>Oil does not come out of the ground naturally,
966793;1420577631;asciilifeform;presently true
966794;1420577634;kakobrekla;well it was discovered by coming out of the ground naturally.
966795;1420577637;asciilifeform;was.
966796;1420577671;mircea_popescu;wtf was the buterin scamcoin called, eleuterium ?
966797;1420577674;mircea_popescu;eleusys ?
966798;1420577681;asciilifeform;'etherium'
966799;1420577683;mircea_popescu;a ty
966800;1420577899;Apocalyptic;wasn't it "ethereum" ?
966801;1420577924;TomServo;Yes.
966802;1420577932;asciilifeform;hm
966803;1420578051;kakobrekla;oh wow they had 8 POC implementations so far.
966804;1420578110;kakobrekla;they will run out of money by the 60th.
966805;1420578153;TomServo;Another 2k or so left their wallet recently, incidentally.
966806;1420578163;kakobrekla;how much left?
966807;1420578165;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19387 @ 0.00063255 = 12.2632 BTC [+]
966808;1420578169;Apocalyptic;they will be resupplied as long as derps have money I fear
966809;1420578173;kakobrekla;left to leave
966810;1420578200;asciilifeform;waterfall.
966811;1420578200;kakobrekla;i doubt they will get resupplied tbh
966812;1420578201;TomServo;17,521.36256657
966813;1420578225;Apocalyptic;kakobrekla, wait for the new exclusive presale of new ethers, -50% NOW !
966814;1420578233;TomServo;Only gone down from the 27,000ish peak around Sep 1
966815;1420578234;kakobrekla;muh.
966816;1420578294;asciilifeform;i dare to suggest a possible term for another thing the ethereum folks do; 'chump fracking'
966817;1420578310;asciilifeform;just as in hydraulic fracturing, foreign substance is pumped into the earth to liberate the goods,
966818;1420578327;kakobrekla;which is ?
966819;1420578332;asciilifeform;synthetic chumps (btc stolen by usg organs) is pumped into eth
966820;1420578341;kakobrekla;paper btc
966821;1420578343;kakobrekla;?
966822;1420578358;asciilifeform;not only to drive waterfall directly, but to create an appearance of a 'happening', 'hot' chumpatron
966823;1420578368;asciilifeform;and bring in the naturally-occurring but recalcitrant chumpers.
966824;1420578374;kakobrekla;as far as i understand sibert now runs paper fund
966825;1420578405;kakobrekla;silbert*
966826;1420578531;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13231 @ 0.00061737 = 8.1684 BTC [-] {2} 
966827;1420578560;kakobrekla;how much did he have under his belt anyway, 20k, 200k ? i forgot
966828;1420578592;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9681 @ 0.00061415 = 5.9456 BTC [-]
966829;1420578733;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo / cazalla : http://trilema.com/2015/if-you-go-on-a-bitcoin-fork-irrespective-which-scammer-proposes-it-you-will-lose-your-bitcoins/
966830;1420578734;assbot;If you go on a Bitcoin fork, irrespective which scammer proposes it, you will lose your Bitcoins. pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.  ... ( http://bit.ly/1DgNTE2 )
966831;1420578734;TomServo;Found a coidesk article from April saying 100k
966832;1420578737;mircea_popescu;sort-of news.
966833;1420578759;mircea_popescu;<kakobrekla> as far as i understand sibert now runs paper fund << kinda my understanding as well. but hey, if his customers are happy with it...
966834;1420578776;mircea_popescu;oh and bitstein ^
966835;1420578902;mircea_popescu;now if mod6 an' ben_vulpes + whoever else can contribute get snappy with the actual foudnation work, the beheading of gavin's pretense will come exactly in time for a smooth transition to a muchly superior alternative.
966836;1420578939;*;asciilifeform feels guilt re: mod6-vuples foundation, almost like it were a bastard son he can't quite afford to feed
966837;1420578939;mircea_popescu;i dun imagine they'll pretend like they "tested" it in less than a few months, so there's still a season i'd guess.
966838;1420578984;*;asciilifeform is sitting on a shameful quantity of unfinished patches for their apparatus
966839;1420579142;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes, mod6, mircea_popescu: which one(s) of you is even doing the merges, anyway ?
966840;1420579157;mircea_popescu;i thought jurov
966841;1420579168;asciilifeform;aha
966842;1420579175;mircea_popescu;wasn't he maintaining the list an errything ?
966843;1420579185;asciilifeform;list, yes. wasn't sure about the tree itself
966844;1420579206;*;asciilifeform vaguely recalls ben_vulpes having wangled together an autobuilder of sorts
966845;1420579241;mircea_popescu;ah
966846;1420579511;mircea_popescu;and, of course, much like in the case of the "ethereum short" nobody actually bought, here is me looking for counterparties willing to buy gavin-bitcoins on the understanding that the transaction will only be valid on the gavin fork, but not in actual bitcoin.
966847;1420579526;asciilifeform;the 'gaw' crap boggles my mind. how is this shit even still possible.
966848;1420579528;mircea_popescu;ideally 1k+ piles.
966849;1420579532;asciilifeform;it has to be chump fracking.
966850;1420579539;mircea_popescu;yes, it is.
966851;1420579617;kakobrekla;gaw is not usg powered
966852;1420579623;kakobrekla;just greed.
966853;1420579642;asciilifeform;on the contrary, synthetic chumpfracking fluid is a usg product.
966854;1420579646;mircea_popescu;stupidity i thought, but yes.
966855;1420579650;mircea_popescu;who implied us powering ?
966856;1420579670;kakobrekla;ascii did with the fracking.
966857;1420579674;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform nah, they're naturally that clueless.
966858;1420579690;mircea_popescu;i mean if you must, in a very 3rd hand way, "through ruining public schools" or w/e.
966859;1420579702;asciilifeform;from whence come the mass of idiot coin, though
966860;1420579704;mircea_popescu;what brings you over mquin ?
966861;1420579733;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform from the fertile union of a very strong "must succeed" ideology and a very narrow "math is hard" cluelessness.
966862;1420579744;mquin;mircea_popescu: we seem to be getting questions about this channel and cloaking quite regularly lately
966863;1420579756;mircea_popescu;!s from:t
966864;1420579757;assbot;19 results for 'from:t' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=from%3At
966865;1420579764;scoopbot;New post on Trilema by Mircea Popescu: http://trilema.com/2015/if-you-go-on-a-bitcoin-fork-irrespective-which-scammer-proposes-it-you-will-lose-your-bitcoins/
966866;1420579769;mircea_popescu;there's the previous discussion with t[homas] ?
966867;1420579780;mircea_popescu;anyway, includes a pastebin of the #freenode discussion etc.
966868;1420579822;kakobrekla;so if the majority of miners accepts the fork mpex is out of luck ?
966869;1420579828;mircea_popescu;nope.
966870;1420579842;mircea_popescu;if a majority of miners accepts the fork they still have to relay and mine all my txn.
966871;1420579850;mircea_popescu;for as long as there's one miner that doesn't, however...
966872;1420579871;kakobrekla;aha youll open a pool.
966873;1420579879;mircea_popescu;this is one of those requiring absolute consensus.
966874;1420579919;mircea_popescu;kakobrekla all i need really is a tiny miner. even gpus will do.
966875;1420579933;mircea_popescu;heck, if 99% of miners move to the fake chain all the better - lower real diff for a while.
966876;1420579958;mircea_popescu;the fake coins they mine won't actually be worth anything once the fake chain dies. sort-of longest orphan block in history.
966877;1420579981;kakobrekla;vs the gpu miners :)
966878;1420580006;mircea_popescu;hey, this is what people with gpus wanted all along, right ? a chance to mine again.
966879;1420580025;mircea_popescu;if any of the asic farms is stupid enough to update (which is sort-of doubt, but hey, stupidity is bottomless) then they get their wish.
966880;1420580032;asciilifeform;'lenin is young again!' (tm)
966881;1420580036;mircea_popescu;notably, at absolutely no cost. it's like a gift.
966882;1420580048;kakobrekla;i dont think asics needs upgrading
966883;1420580049;mircea_popescu;who can say no to gifts.
966884;1420580066;mircea_popescu;kakobrekla "upgrading" in the limited sense of building on a 1mb+ block.
966885;1420580077;mircea_popescu;which no miner currently does.
966886;1420580127;kakobrekla;yes but switching is not something that takes time or resources.
966887;1420580148;mircea_popescu;well no, switching doesn't. but mining in the dead chain takes as many resources as you're willing to throw at it.
966888;1420580154;kakobrekla;for pool op is something like apt-get update and done
966889;1420580155;mircea_popescu;might as well mine the wall.
966890;1420580192;mircea_popescu;nevertheless, if anyone wants to make a pool for the purpose that can't hurt anything.
966891;1420580282;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform http://trilema.com/2015/open-a-better-ircd-rfc/#comment-111208
966892;1420580282;assbot;[OPEN] A better ircd [RFC] pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.  ... ( http://bit.ly/1DgUhLt )
966893;1420580374;mircea_popescu;artifexd ya was just looking for you in the list lol
966894;1420580393;artifexd;I have decided that I like this ircd project.
966895;1420580398;mircea_popescu;o hey.
966896;1420580408;mircea_popescu;can you actually do it ?
966897;1420580414;artifexd;I like it to the point of being willing to commit time to do it.
966898;1420580442;mircea_popescu;am i s/open/artifexd/ ?
966899;1420580459;asciilifeform;http://trilema.com/2015/open-a-better-ircd-rfc/#comment-111210
966900;1420580460;assbot;[OPEN] A better ircd [RFC] pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.  ... ( http://bit.ly/1DgV4fg )
966901;1420580461;asciilifeform;answerd
966902;1420580506;artifexd;Would you like to discuss in here or keep it in the comments?
966903;1420580512;*;asciilifeform believes that the scheme as originally described is disastrously mistaken
966904;1420580519;mircea_popescu;coments best!
966905;1420580643;artifexd;mircea_popescu> am i s/open/artifexd/ ?  << huh?
966906;1420580737;rithm;port 1337 tho kinda elitist don't you think
966907;1420580755;TomServo;Nah, just leetist
966908;1420580785;rithm;7000 would be more in line as a "standard" irc port with security
966909;1420580799;asciilifeform;but this isn't irc !
966910;1420580803;TomServo;a port is a port
966911;1420580803;rithm;riiiight
966912;1420580805;asciilifeform;has no one actually -read- the thing ?
966913;1420580812;artifexd;mircea_popescu> can you actually do it ?  << There are mad amounts of detail to work out. That said, yes. I can do it.
966914;1420580820;rithm;so it's a new rfc and interoperability means nothing
966915;1420580829;rithm;i forgot it's unicorn land please continue
966916;1420580867;kakobrekla;i think the idea is to fix shit, not make it more beautiful.
966917;1420580952;rithm;seems like centralized mechanism to prevent mitm, really only becomes decentralize with more /links
966918;1420580963;asciilifeform;centralized ?
966919;1420580975;asciilifeform;rithm: did you actually read mircea_popescu's article ?
966920;1420580983;rithm;i think i'm looking at it now
966921;1420581015;punkman;hilarious uncloaking exploits https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y1OHO4FJvKs
966922;1420581017;assbot;DerbyCon 3 0 2306 Uncloaking Ip Addresses On Irc Derek Callaway - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1DgWMx6 )
966923;1420581020;mircea_popescu;artifexd am i editing the thing to reflect you're doin' it.
966924;1420581033;rithm;b. A list of IPs
966925;1420581054;rithm;the "thing" scales with /links to other "things"
966926;1420581065;mircea_popescu;<rithm> port 1337 tho kinda elitist don't you think << yes, i do.
966927;1420581126;rithm;so the client is the server in this scenario or not? is it more p2p or not because i'm not seeing this definition in the language
966928;1420581133;punkman;(and some text related to video http://decal.sdf.org/spotfedsonline/ )
966929;1420581134;assbot;Spot The Fed: Online Edition ... ( http://bit.ly/1DgXcDI )
966930;1420581134;rithm;traditional irc is clinet/server but this isn't irc
966931;1420581137;mircea_popescu;there is no "Server"
966932;1420581147;mircea_popescu;much like in bitcoin, some will run larger clients which people can reliably connect to.
966933;1420581153;mircea_popescu;but they'd still be running the client code, more or less.
966934;1420581210;rithm;if it scales verically like "interaction" with this thing creates a new "server" then that doesn't sound centralized
966935;1420581214;mircea_popescu;<rithm> so it's a new rfc and interoperability means nothing << interoperability with what ?
966936;1420581219;asciilifeform;active thread on mircea_popescu's site, btw
966937;1420581226;rithm;not that architecture, but I'm not reading that definition on trilema
966938;1420581263;rithm;TFA title says ircd but it's not something to interoperate with any known ircd correct
966939;1420581276;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8900 @ 0.00061415 = 5.4659 BTC [-]
966940;1420581283;mircea_popescu;correct.
966941;1420581300;asciilifeform;perhaps misleading title, 'better ircd', i admit i almost postponed reading it when first saw on account of this
966942;1420581329;mircea_popescu;ftr, the car was called "a better horse buggy" originally.
966943;1420581349;punkman;forward secrecy would be nice if possible
966944;1420581351;mircea_popescu;if one doesn't buy into the entire "branding, even if or especially if before the fact" one's stuck with this. i don't mind it so much.
966945;1420581395;mircea_popescu;punkman forward secrecy is a one on one affair, mostly. the salt is supposed to implement as much as it's possible, and the lack of signatures.
966946;1420581409;mircea_popescu;perhaps i don't actually see the whole ball there tho.
966947;1420581430;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: i argue that all transmissions must be signed, if this is to be the thing it is really meant to be.
966948;1420581437;mircea_popescu;but seriously, let's move all discussion on the article, otherwise it'll be hard to fish from logs later on
966949;1420581449;*;mircea_popescu shall make further responses there.
966950;1420581557;mircea_popescu;http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/2rk3it/score_so_far_gavins_fork_0btc_mps_fork_killer_1/ << lol ty mr hahs, whoever you are.
966951;1420581559;assbot;Score so far: Gavin's fork, 0BTC | MP's fork killer, 1 million BTC? : Bitcoin ... ( http://bit.ly/1DgYLBR )
966952;1420581770;mircea_popescu;http://trilema.com/2015/artifexd-a-better-ircd-rfc/ << updated.
966953;1420581771;assbot;[Artifexd] A better ircd [RFC] pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.  ... ( http://bit.ly/1DgZHpO )
966954;1420582363;ben_vulpes;<mircea_popescu> heck, if 99% of miners move to the fake chain all the better - lower real diff for a while. << why if 99% of miners move onto that chain, would anyone ever move off?
966955;1420582395;mircea_popescu;because they can't spend the fake btc they "mined"
966956;1420582431;mircea_popescu;(i don't mean technically, i mean financially, nobody's accepting it for value)
966957;1420582480;jurov;but if 99% of miners move to the fake chain, then it will take years till difficulty adjusts.. or we§d have to fork it and adjust anyway
966958;1420582491;mircea_popescu;from the perspective of the blockchain, the situation is identical to "what woud happen if 99% of miners turned their rigs off"
966959;1420582503;mircea_popescu;well... nothing ? once they turn them back on they can mine again.
966960;1420582543;*;kakobrekla doesnt have great hopes for this upcoming blockchain size war.
966961;1420582554;Apocalyptic;jurov, good point
966962;1420582583;jurov;and how it comes financially? suddenly the garzikcoin stop being excnaged for stuff cuz mircea said so?
966963;1420582591;jurov;*exchanged
966964;1420582616;mircea_popescu;no, just, mircea's bitcoin in its gavin aspect is being sold. so miners of gavin chain will have to compete with that.
966965;1420582622;punkman;btw the irc services library used by freenode is EOL'd
966966;1420582624;punkman;"There will not be another release cycle after Atheme 7.2. We encourage the community to fork Atheme and choose the most suitable forks to drive IRC forward. To this end, we will maintain Atheme 7.2 as a suitable base for forking until October 31, 2015, with all services terminating on October 31, 2016."
966967;1420582632;mircea_popescu;and merchants accepting it will have to somehow finance the risk, too.
966968;1420582670;Apocalyptic;kakobrekla, as in you doubt the outcome will be in favour of b-a ?
966969;1420582686;mircea_popescu;i kinda doubt they actually have the guts to go through with it,
966970;1420582687;mircea_popescu;but hey.
966971;1420582696;mircea_popescu;you don't always get the maximal fun out of situations.
966972;1420582744;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu, artifexd, other interested folks: http://trilema.com/2015/artifexd-a-better-ircd-rfc/#comment-111218
966973;1420582744;assbot;[Artifexd] A better ircd [RFC] pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.  ... ( http://bit.ly/1Dh3OC1 )
966974;1420582779;mircea_popescu;jurov that 99% figure is mostly a joke. look at the exchanges as they are, think what even a 50k wall would do at say 30 usd per. how exactly are thjose 99% of miners going to finance operations for a week when their block reward is worth ~750 bux ?
966975;1420582811;mircea_popescu;at best gavin will manage to crush the gavin-bitcoin to whatever it was in 2012 and that's that.
966976;1420582835;mircea_popescu;nobody's pouring out peta hashes for free for weeks on end.
966977;1420582841;jurov;you mean you will dump 50k gavins?
966978;1420582853;mircea_popescu;i will dump all my bitcoin, on the gavin fork.
966979;1420582896;kakobrekla;you know why we have miners?
966980;1420582898;artifexd;asciilifeform: lol
966981;1420582899;mircea_popescu;show teh us how dumping's actually done. what, dja have any idea how long i pined for an opportuniy to play the easy side of this game ?
966982;1420582901;kakobrekla;cause they cant do math.
966983;1420582910;mircea_popescu;kakobrekla yeah, right.
966984;1420582930;artifexd;asciilifeform: I was typing up that exact same idea
966985;1420582932;mircea_popescu;not what i've been hearing from teh chinese folks on the topic, but w/e, gavin's more than welcome to persevere in his usg-is-the-world delusions.
966986;1420582935;kakobrekla;they will in fact mine with ev-
966987;1420582953;mircea_popescu;kakobrekla for how long ?
966988;1420582958;asciilifeform;the miners in the sealed mine will mine on body fat for as long as they can.
966989;1420582960;mircea_popescu;1mn a day. how long ?
966990;1420582968;akisora;Thanks. I was wondering how things worked here since gribble is offline
966991;1420582981;akisora;I can't auth on gribble. Not that I have any ratings
966992;1420582985;mircea_popescu;they work... barely.
966993;1420582989;kakobrekla;ill just say my guess is better than sexygingers.
966994;1420583028;mircea_popescu;well sure.
966995;1420583041;mircea_popescu;nevertheless, this "they'll mine at -ev" is from the days of gpus.
966996;1420583049;kakobrekla;nah.
966997;1420583059;mircea_popescu;otherwise, miner farms are actually pretty stretched as it is, financially.
966998;1420583162;asciilifeform;artifexd: http://trilema.com/2015/artifexd-a-better-ircd-rfc/#comment-111220
966999;1420583162;assbot;[Artifexd] A better ircd [RFC] pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.  ... ( http://bit.ly/1Dh5lIy )
967000;1420583247;kakobrekla;dude, vps is like a dollar a month.
967001;1420583268;kakobrekla;(for the purpose of bouncer)
967002;1420583356;asciilifeform;kakobrekla: there are folks about (some even in #b-a) who have a habit of using something other than an actual computer for their daily work (i won't point fingers)
967003;1420583373;asciilifeform;kakobrekla: they will succumb to the temptation of running the entire demon, and not merely a proxy, on the 'bouncer.'
967004;1420583409;kakobrekla;i thought nobody even has an actual computer.
967005;1420583412;asciilifeform;doctor will say to patient 'if it hurts, stop doing it'
967006;1420583421;asciilifeform;but the entire problem is entirely avoidable
967007;1420583447;asciilifeform;minimal standard of computer for purpose of this thread
967008;1420583456;kakobrekla;:)
967009;1420583469;asciilifeform;box that will compile and run an unpretentious posix demon without major handholding
967010;1420583490;kakobrekla;context always fucks everything up.
967011;1420583534;mircea_popescu;no kako, it's u! not context!
967012;1420583535;mircea_popescu;:D
967013;1420583638;mircea_popescu;jurov this discussion entirely elides the more important point of "why in the fuck would miners even consider a proposal that inflates their main ware".
967014;1420583662;mircea_popescu;the block rewards keeps going down. how are they going to make money if there's no pressure on txn to pay ? is gavin going to give them it ?
967015;1420583684;Apocalyptic;this falls to kako's argument "they can't do math"
967016;1420583778;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7950 @ 0.00064331 = 5.1143 BTC [+]
967017;1420583791;jurov;we don't know who the damn miners actually are anymore
967018;1420583796;mircea_popescu;Apocalyptic kako's argument needs a "and the govt will print money and give it to them. forever" companion.
967019;1420583805;mircea_popescu;otherwise, it's as good as the argument that "my horse doesn't need to eat"
967020;1420583816;mircea_popescu;jurov "we". i kinda do.
967021;1420583894;jurov;i see. so you are certain these entities are mostly motivated by profit.
967022;1420583923;mircea_popescu;yes.
967023;1420583928;Apocalyptic;"rational entities" will be sufficient imo
967024;1420583942;mircea_popescu;even the statal actors have a limited budget.
967025;1420583951;mircea_popescu;this war exceeds that.
967026;1420584233;asciilifeform;the only way enemy could win this hypothetical engagement is if he can set his fork up to 'catabolically break down' the original bitcoin network ( mircea_popescu's army on the board )
967027;1420584233;thestringpuller;http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/2rji9f/looking_before_the_scaling_up_leap_by_gavin/ << these comments are giving me brain cancer
967028;1420584259;asciilifeform;say, by engineering a continuous double-spend attempt into normal operation of 'usgcoin' miners
967029;1420584273;asciilifeform;(double-spend on the 'actual' net, naturally)
967030;1420584308;mircea_popescu;thestringpuller the lulzy part in there is "clearly the thing that's not needed but we kept repeating that it is, is in fact needed. because...uh..."
967031;1420584317;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform what'd that do ?
967032;1420584446;akisora;did Gavin just say there are special rules for coinbase??
967033;1420584460;mircea_popescu;hm ?
967034;1420584507;akisora;In the article linked in the reddit thestringpuller posted Gavin said "2. There are special rules for 'coinbase' transactions: there can be only one coinbase transaction per block, it must be the first transaction, etc."
967035;1420584516;akisora;What the fuck is that? lol
967036;1420584542;akisora;I don't understand what is going on with that
967037;1420584571;Apocalyptic;akisora, coinbase transactions, not "Coinbase" the company
967038;1420584593;mircea_popescu;akisora this was always the case.
967039;1420584600;akisora;oh okay :)
967040;1420584624;mircea_popescu;the "coinbase" tx is the tx that pays the miners for the block mined, that 25 btc
967041;1420584625;thestringpuller;d00d
967042;1420584629;thestringpuller;my iq is dropping
967043;1420584632;thestringpuller;i need to stop reading this
967044;1420584644;thestringpuller;but it's like watching a really bad movie
967045;1420584646;thestringpuller;you cna't look away
967046;1420584832;[]bot;Bet placed: 2 BTC for No on "Bitcoin to drop under 200$ before Feb" http://bitbet.us/bet/1095/ Odds: 17(Y):83(N) by coin, 18(Y):82(N) by weight. Total bet: 6.03161579 BTC. Current weight: 88,975.
967047;1420584928;thestringpuller;!up hanbot
967048;1420584939;hanbot;thx thestringpuller
967049;1420584957;thestringpuller;np
967050;1420585551;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: what'd that do ? << if your estimate in 'this was exceeds that [necessary budget]' is correct - it will do nothing.
967051;1420585557;asciilifeform;*war
967052;1420585641;mircea_popescu;perhaps.
967053;1420585650;mircea_popescu;the us has a lengthy history of getting involved in wars it can't afford
967054;1420585665;hanbot;BingoBoingo http://pastebin.com/npDQM1iT  (re xoom piece)
967055;1420585666;assbot;Despite Xoom's vague assertion that "it doesn't think that customer data or cust - Pastebin.com ... ( http://bit.ly/1yxYKHX )
967056;1420585670;mircea_popescu;and the us muppets are currently shivering to death in a "democratic" ukraine that CLEARLY had to have its block sizes increased.
967057;1420585672;mircea_popescu;so... you never know.
967058;1420585687;mircea_popescu;i always hope on the side of getting to do some raping. and pillaging.
967059;1420585698;mircea_popescu;ohai hanbot :D
967060;1420585705;asciilifeform;'here's a lesson all must learn: first you pillage, then you burn'
967061;1420585717;hanbot;hallo!
967062;1420585775;mircea_popescu;lol@ piece.
967063;1420585782;mircea_popescu;totally should contrib moar to qntra.
967064;1420585944;asciilifeform;'going the way of linux' << depressing
967065;1420585971;mircea_popescu;depression : just another public service i offer.
967066;1420586021;asciilifeform;'wagner: free; cyanide - extra five pfennigs'
967067;1420586034;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14962 @ 0.00064907 = 9.7114 BTC [+]
967068;1420586134;mircea_popescu;http://www.faqs.org/faqs/music/birthday-dirge-faq/ btw.
967069;1420586135;assbot;[FAQ] Lyrics for The Birthday Dirge ... ( http://bit.ly/1yy0yAJ )
967070;1420586196;mircea_popescu;Burn the castle, storm the keep, kill the women, save the sheep.
967071;1420586225;asciilifeform;'May your deeds with sword and axe / Equal those with sheep and yaks.'
967072;1420586762;scoopbot;New post on Trilema by Mircea Popescu: http://trilema.com/2015/no-such-labs-snsa-november-2014-and-december-2014-joint-statement/
967073;1420587033;asciilifeform;ty mircea_popescu
967074;1420587045;asciilifeform;did a series of small asteroids just hit fleanode or what.
967075;1420587057;asciilifeform;the node i was plugged into - is dead now.
967076;1420587122;asciilifeform;(incidentally, at least every other fleanode host has broken 'sasl' auth. learn which ones, if your client has 'auto-connect' to #b-a)
967077;1420587124;mircea_popescu;"Saudi Arabia shipped 54 percent of its crude oil exports to Asia in 2013, with another 17 percent to the United States, according to Saudi Aramco's annual report. It shipped just 5.4 percent to Europe and 6.7 percent to the Mediterranean. In total, crude exports ran at 6.8 million bpd."
967078;1420587131;mircea_popescu;"petrodollar" indeed lol
967079;1420587153;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform sasl is dysfunctional anyway.
967080;1420587181;asciilifeform;well yes. but it is 'duct tape' for the cloak thing.
967081;1420587193;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6738 @ 0.00063478 = 4.2771 BTC [-]
967082;1420587319;*;asciilifeform makes small 'public service announcement' that, with gribble dead, any one of us present company could be hitler.
967083;1420587377;asciilifeform;or rather, at any time could have been hitler, but previously the fuhrer would have been required to put in a little sweat and pwn fleanode wholesale, whereas now he just needs to break nickserv
967084;1420587386;asciilifeform;or just slip in a few packets
967085;1420587559;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31400 @ 0.00065281 = 20.4982 BTC [+] {5} 
967086;1420589208;asciilifeform;http://cryptome.org/2015/01/snowden-nsa-pay-for-silence.htm << mega-lol
967087;1420589209;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/13Yw9O5 )
967088;1420589325;asciilifeform;'PARASTOO IS INFORMING THAT "CPLD AND FPGA BITSTREAMS" RUNNING THE SECURITY MODULES IN BOTH GROUND STATIONS AND MANY OF THE HOVERING ACTUAL SATELLITES THAT ARE LINKED TO SOME TARGETED NOCs ARE FULLY DECRYPTED ..AND WE FOUND -- WHILE DOING SATANIC LAUGHS -- SOME OF THESE UGLY CODES ARE NOT EVEN COMPATIBLE WITH BASIC NIST'S FIPS SECURITY GRADE GIVEN TO THESE PRODUCTS WITH $+APPLAUSE .'
967089;1420589340;asciilifeform;^ good 'dissociated press' (shannonizer) output? or actual human speaking ?
967090;1420589349;asciilifeform;( quoted from http://cryptome.org/2015/01/parastoo-opjfk.htm )
967091;1420589350;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/13YwznG )
967092;1420589375;BingoBoingo;!up muh_buttcoins
967093;1420589384;muh_buttcoins;hi
967094;1420589402;BingoBoingo;Hallo muh_buttcoins
967095;1420589406;asciilifeform;any scholars of farsi lang. here ? is above a plausible eng. mistranslation? and if so, of what.
967096;1420589426;muh_buttcoins;is speculating on the price discouraged here
967097;1420589481;BingoBoingo;muh_buttcoins: Not entirely
967098;1420589515;muh_buttcoins;what % of your net wealth do you think is a good amount to invest in bitcoin
967099;1420589568;BingoBoingo;muh_buttcoins: It depends. What % of your net wealth do you presently depend on for provisioning a roof and some food?
967100;1420589572;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30250 @ 0.00064556 = 19.5282 BTC [-] {3} 
967101;1420589620;muh_buttcoins;maybe 3-5%
967102;1420589643;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform how would someone know if sometyhing's a mistranslation absernt source matrerial ?
967103;1420589660;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: occasionally there are idiomatic residual clues
967104;1420589670;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: can't expect hard proof of anything whatsoever, sure.
967105;1420589689;asciilifeform;what, for instance, is 'doing satanic laughs ?'
967106;1420589701;BingoBoingo;Ah, in that case prolly no more than 97-95 percent so you don't starve or go homeless. Prolly keep the number lower than that though. Diversify get apartments in different cities around the world, ya know.
967107;1420589714;mircea_popescu;afaik no farsi in gtranslate, so there is that
967108;1420589716;asciilifeform;the mere emission of a 'muhahahaha' - or some more specific activity peculiar to reverse-engineering purloined fpga bitstreams ?
967109;1420589725;BingoBoingo;hanbot: Is that a comment or a article submission?
967110;1420589727;mircea_popescu;prolly laughing ass off.
967111;1420589737;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: it is marked 'persian' there.
967112;1420589760;mircea_popescu;muh_buttcoins http://trilema.com/2013/bitcoin-assets-rules-and-regulations/
967113;1420589761;assbot;#bitcoin-assets rules and regulations pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.  ... ( http://bit.ly/13Yy3yb )
967114;1420589766;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: and works, about as well as russian-english (which is to say, very threadbare)
967115;1420589768;mircea_popescu;esp 2, interesting in your case.
967116;1420589802;mircea_popescu;so google for انجام می خندد شیطانی then
967117;1420589877;assbot;[MPEX] [S.QNTR] 7653 @ 0.00015 = 1.148 BTC [-]
967118;1420589880;mircea_popescu;check it out, didn't break log! yay.
967119;1420589902;*;asciilifeform blows dust off textbook
967120;1420589907;muh_buttcoins;Do you guys think the Bitstamp owners stole the coins and made up the hacked story?
967121;1420589944;asciilifeform;muh_buttcoins: if you were to meet with proof that it was so, or was not so, would the coins thereby unsteal themselves ?
967122;1420589995;asciilifeform;muh_buttcoins: i'm genuinely curious as to why you would like to learn the answer to that question
967123;1420590024;muh_buttcoins;Just seeking opinions on it
967124;1420590032;asciilifeform;how could you ever hope to learn it?
967125;1420590048;mircea_popescu;blockchain technologies ?
967126;1420590050;muh_buttcoins;...
967127;1420590058;muh_buttcoins;wat
967128;1420590210;mircea_popescu;anyway, go read the log, come back in half year or thereabouts.
967129;1420590227;asciilifeform;one time, isaac asimov (iirc ?) got tired of idiots badgering him with questions re: subjects in which he could not possibly give informed answer, and some of these even retorted with 'please just give me your gut feeling!' to which he answered that he does not think with his gut, and the questioner is welcome to keep the company of those who do - elsewhere.
967130;1420590513;kakobrekla;lol only now i notice, http://shrani.si/f/47/q8/C6Jp4Tl/cpu-day.png
967131;1420590514;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1s39lrX )
967132;1420590520;kakobrekla;try harder next time.
967133;1420590544;mircea_popescu;it almost looks liek nippals
967134;1420590576;kakobrekla;bout 600 ips worth.
967135;1420590600;asciilifeform;600?! why so threadbare.
967136;1420590642;kakobrekla;idk, twas a http flood , wp prolly
967137;1420590647;kakobrekla;i dont care enough to check the logs.
967138;1420590691;asciilifeform;there's an interesting similarity in the reactions of the freenode folks (quoted in earlier thread) and that of the wp fool (quoted in recent article on mircea_popescu's site)
967139;1420590699;asciilifeform;(reaction to learning of ddos)
967140;1420590723;kakobrekla;prolly same dude that is pestering trilema/qntra these days.
967141;1420590734;kakobrekla;only bb is up tho :p
967142;1420590757;asciilifeform;well yes, but the reactions of the 'nah it isn't our fault, and by the way have you tried plugging it in? and it ain't a bug, but a feature, at any rate'
967143;1420590773;kakobrekla;aha
967144;1420590774;mircea_popescu;i don't expect "the freenode folks" have technically very much at their disposal. this is the thing, frozen since the days lilo walked the earth.
967145;1420590794;mircea_popescu;they can sort-of push the levers, they can send over diddled code to whatever "specialists" never to be heard from again,
967146;1420590809;mircea_popescu;but on the whole... kinda mcdonald-ish, willy nilly.
967147;1420590834;asciilifeform;there's also the interesting fact (i shall offer no attempt at proof here) that a significant chunk of fleanode traffic is botnet c&c
967148;1420590896;asciilifeform;'mcdonalds' is 'democratic' not only for leprous bomzhes, but for rats, mice, roaches.
967149;1420590910;mircea_popescu;that part nobody can actually do much against.
967150;1420590919;mircea_popescu;it's akin to saying that there's child porn in the blockchain. yes, of course there is.
967151;1420590925;asciilifeform;wouldn't suggest that it is their duty to play exterminator
967152;1420590927;mircea_popescu;what there isn't is "forbidden types of content"
967153;1420590941;asciilifeform;but when there are more mice than human eater in the restaurant, mass-wise, it reflects poorly.
967154;1420590959;mircea_popescu;well... humans are expensive.
967155;1420590966;artifexd;mircea_popescu: Do you envision the ircd project have the end goal of replacing the freenode #b-a channel or is it only supposed to be a way for one individual to communicate with another individual?
967156;1420590985;asciilifeform;artifexd: answer not obvious from the article ?
967157;1420590998;mircea_popescu;artifexd it's supposed to replace ircd as a secure, fast and reliable means to communicate directly with others.
967158;1420591028;mircea_popescu;arguably ircd isn't really any of these, but going by intent rather than practice.
967159;1420591045;*;asciilifeform also points out that, as written, apparatus is also meant to replace the classical 'wot'
967160;1420591055;mircea_popescu;obviously, will have to.
967161;1420591056;asciilifeform;or at least offer a parachute of it.
967162;1420591074;mircea_popescu;i thought about it for a while, but fundamentally, wot has a lot of trouble existing independent of the forum.
967163;1420591087;mircea_popescu;such as, in medieval times punishment lists were put out in the marketplace.
967164;1420591101;asciilifeform;as late as 18th c. actually.
967165;1420591104;mircea_popescu;right.
967166;1420591108;asciilifeform;as well as the actual punishments.
967167;1420591139;mircea_popescu;http://seclists.org/fulldisclosure/2006/Jun/843 << old lilo drama, if anyone's unsatisfied by the piles of bitcoin drama we have fresh on tap.
967168;1420591140;assbot;Full Disclosure: The truth about Rob Levin aka Lilo ofirc.freenode.net ... ( http://bit.ly/1s3aRdz )
967169;1420591141;*;asciilifeform has been enjoying 'Seeing Justice Done. The Age of Spectacular Capital Punishment in France.' (Paul Friedland.)
967170;1420591176;mircea_popescu;(possibly the first in the trend of white trash "do-ologists", something that's apparently coming en vogue what with all the couch surfing entrepreneurs)
967171;1420591243;asciilifeform;i vaguely recall reading his obituary ?
967172;1420591268;mircea_popescu;yeah died at some point last decade
967173;1420591425;mircea_popescu;reading the comments, this new ircd thing is actually fucking exciting.
967174;1420591537;scoopbot;New post on Qntra.net by hanbot: http://qntra.net/2015/01/the-xoom-theft-and-the-future-of-the-dollar/
967175;1420591544;kakobrekla;yeah you basically invented ethereum or something
967176;1420591566;mircea_popescu;eh ?
967177;1420591599;kakobrekla;>As you well observe, this thing is in fact Bitcoin without the shared public ledger (kept instead as a virtual private ledger by each node).
967178;1420591606;kakobrekla;very blockchain 2.0
967179;1420591631;mircea_popescu;heh
967180;1420591646;mircea_popescu;on a lark i connect to efnet. first server simpyl fails to connect. 2nd dumps this http://pastebin.com/epe6WQBC
967181;1420591647;assbot;* - Breaking one or more of the following policies will get you  * - /Kill'ed an - Pastebin.com ... ( http://bit.ly/1s3c2d0 )
967182;1420591649;mircea_popescu;srsly ?
967183;1420591668;asciilifeform;artifexd, others: http://trilema.com/2015/artifexd-a-better-ircd-rfc/#comment-111236
967184;1420591669;assbot;[Artifexd] A better ircd [RFC] pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.  ... ( http://bit.ly/1s3c30w )
967185;1420591719;artifexd;!s erasure coding
967186;1420591720;assbot;5 results for 'erasure coding' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=erasure+coding
967187;1420591903;asciilifeform;artifexd: there are several known ways of doing a 'fountain code' (term of art) - where a bitstring, B, is transformed into a number, N, of shorter bitstrings, whereby X of N can be collected, in any order, and with certain quantity of errors permissible, to reconstitute B.
967188;1420591919;asciilifeform;X*N is naturally larger than B. by how much - depends on particular algorithm chosen.
967189;1420592005;asciilifeform;the most classic, 'naive' algo for this, known to nearly everyone under one name or another, is reed-solomon.
967190;1420592017;asciilifeform;but very high overhead.
967191;1420592045;mircea_popescu;right, this is an excessive approach
967192;1420592070;asciilifeform;this is one of the very few mathematical/computation subfields where there was real progress in the past twenty years.
967193;1420592074;artifexd;I fear that the more complicated the math, the more likely I am to screw it up.
967194;1420592083;asciilifeform;something like 'raptor' algorithm gives overhead of, iirc, 3-5%.
967195;1420592121;asciilifeform;artifexd: a good compromise, probably, would be the Luby transform.
967196;1420592140;asciilifeform;it can be implemented without unusual effort or mathematical education.
967197;1420592221;artifexd;Is "can be transmitted via carrier pigeon" really a priority for this project?
967198;1420592228;asciilifeform;not as such, imho
967199;1420592236;mircea_popescu;nah.
967200;1420592249;asciilifeform;but there is no particular reason to glue it to ip on protocol level
967201;1420592259;mircea_popescu;ideally we keep away from any really dumb ideas that'd prevent moving away from the current situation
967202;1420592265;mircea_popescu;but otherwisew this is supposed to work today.
967203;1420592284;asciilifeform;if you can get packet P from your box to other end, using paper letter, but not the net - should be able to do so
967204;1420592353;artifexd;TCP does offer advantages.  Not having to reinvent/reimplement transmission reliability/ordering is not a minor thing.
967205;1420592362;mircea_popescu;agreed.
967206;1420592408;asciilifeform;not having to worry about syn floods, etc. plus frustrating most existing traffic analysis widgetry - udp, if done correctly, is a serious win
967207;1420592441;asciilifeform;the connection-tracking apparatus of tcp is really half the force behind the sting of 'ddos'
967208;1420592442;artifexd;syn floods are a solved problem
967209;1420592448;mircea_popescu;it requires someone to do it correctly.
967210;1420592479;asciilifeform;undergrad-level problem
967211;1420592498;mircea_popescu;artifexd that all depends. relativelysolved lol
967212;1420592576;artifexd;Boxes that sit in front of the server that establishes connections and only passes on the connected ones can be bought of the shelf, right?
967213;1420592593;mircea_popescu;everything can be bought of the shelf neh ?
967214;1420592722;asciilifeform;incidentally, here's a small idea. instead of transmitting snapshots of global state (of 'channel'), have each packet be a reconciliation of one particular pubkey's history. that way there is no need to reassemble gigantic blob.
967215;1420592746;artifexd;As far as traffic analysis goes, as long as all of the transmissions are opaque noise (because they are encrypted) and are of constant size, analysis is impossible.
967216;1420592767;asciilifeform;artifexd: it is also necessary that they have no temporal correlation to anything.
967217;1420592789;artifexd;Right. But "once a second" is in the first draft of the rfc.
967218;1420592802;asciilifeform;artifexd: this requires a fixed, steady flow of bits between the two points.
967219;1420592822;artifexd;Yes.
967220;1420592825;mircea_popescu;artifexd more's the point, i don't specifically give a shit about "analysis"
967221;1420592845;mircea_popescu;let the derps analyze it until they fall over. this retreat of person to "anonymity" is exactly the wrong strategic moves.
967222;1420592853;mircea_popescu;if the state controls the field of identity it doesn't need much more.
967223;1420592874;mircea_popescu;no, i shan't live by any entities' permission. the state will live by my permission, or go down in a hail of bullets and flame thrower exhaust.
967224;1420592893;asciilifeform;not suggesting that 'anonymity' warrants complicating design, but if it can be dropped by the gods from the sky at no cost, no reason not to pick up.
967225;1420592902;mircea_popescu;sure, that much.
967226;1420592985;mircea_popescu;on a more practical angle, you will note that the various entities relying on "secrecy" are in jail, from the pirate robets to the shrem dude. even "thanking the judge for a justice well done".
967227;1420593009;mircea_popescu;should be obvious that model does not work. it doesn't, specifically because it caters to the idiocy it proposes very flimsily to be "against".
967228;1420593010;asciilifeform;'prison is like the grave, room can be found for everyone' (ru proverb)
967229;1420593033;artifexd;Fountain codes, insomuch as I don't understand them, complicate the design.  Padding the the structure that gets encrypted doesn't.
967230;1420593050;artifexd;It is also possible that my own ignorance is complicating the design.
967231;1420593053;mircea_popescu;artifexd nothing prevents the thing to be further upgraded later on.
967232;1420593064;artifexd;true story
967233;1420593064;asciilifeform;artifexd: you don't strictly speaking need fountain code in first version of this apparatus.
967234;1420593067;mircea_popescu;for that matter, we have a much shittier version currently,
967235;1420593075;mircea_popescu;and it's worked nothing short of splendidly for many years.
967236;1420593108;mircea_popescu;improvements don't have to be absolute solutions to be useful. they just have to be absolute improvements.
967237;1420593111;asciilifeform;artifexd: i was trying to suggest another way whereby no packet needs to exceed udp's mtu in size, or be guaranteed to reach its destination in the first try
967238;1420593132;artifexd;576 bytes ain't a lot of space.
967239;1420593135;asciilifeform;artifexd: this would be - to reconcile history per-pubkey, rather than global.
967240;1420593186;asciilifeform;576 can hold a 2048-bit (ephemeral rsa key!) sig, a reasonably long key fp, and small payload.
967241;1420593186;mircea_popescu;another advantage to tcp is that you don't really get to care about mtus and all that.
967242;1420593244;asciilifeform;also appreciate a fine point:
967243;1420593249;mircea_popescu;it is in my eyes much more valuable to have a working prototype rapidly, that then can be extended (and nothing will prevent a future client to filter traffic any way itchooses, say by accepting udp only)
967244;1420593262;asciilifeform;with udp, a box running said protocol cannot be distinguished by enemy from one which is not
967245;1420593269;asciilifeform;if he is not physically sitting on the wire
967246;1420593270;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform so ?
967247;1420593280;asciilifeform;if uninteresting, disregard.
967248;1420593287;mircea_popescu;if done right, a reasonable expectation will be that any box is running it anyway.
967249;1420593329;artifexd;Or just put it on port 80
967250;1420593340;asciilifeform;i like 'unscannable for', not because of any derping re: 'anonymity', but from sheer delight in the morale hit to enemy
967251;1420593343;mircea_popescu;that's a bit rich.
967252;1420593345;asciilifeform;who likes things to be countable
967253;1420593350;asciilifeform;and 'quantifiable'
967254;1420593357;asciilifeform;'threat assessment111!!!11'
967255;1420593358;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform do not code for your enemy lol.
967256;1420593363;mircea_popescu;we're doing this for ourselves.
967257;1420593370;asciilifeform;when we make bullet - we make for enemy
967258;1420593373;asciilifeform;not usually for self
967259;1420593393;mircea_popescu;this is a tractor not a bullet.
967260;1420593401;asciilifeform;tractor with 'maxim.'
967261;1420593411;mircea_popescu;if the owner wieshes, sure.
967262;1420593480;asciilifeform;i wouldn't bother arguing the udp/tcp point were it not for the fact that this is not a decision that can be easily re-visited.
967263;1420593513;asciilifeform;for instance, if you immediately go with 4096-bit ephemeral keys, you're already at 512b. for sig alone.
967264;1420593515;mircea_popescu;why not ?
967265;1420593527;mircea_popescu;but there can be a later protocol extension covering udp
967266;1420593540;mircea_popescu;and it will get more eyeballs reading code on the strength of the already existing thing.
967267;1420593570;asciilifeform;it'll be a bit of a procrustean bed
967268;1420593573;mircea_popescu;fwiw i wouldn't use sub 4kb keys anyway.
967269;1420593578;asciilifeform;me neither
967270;1420593581;mircea_popescu;so then.
967271;1420593583;asciilifeform;but that was merely one example.
967272;1420593601;asciilifeform;(perfectly legit) question was 'wtf should we give a damn about udp mtu, it's a bore'
967273;1420593677;asciilifeform;answer is, for the same reason that, after a certain date, rifle calibers were X inch sixteenth lines and not some random contemporary fellow's little finger.
967274;1420593725;asciilifeform;with udp, you can make the 'friend or foe?' decision upon receipt of a single (!) packet.
967275;1420593733;asciilifeform;can silently drop it if 'foe.'
967276;1420593740;asciilifeform;without allocating memory.
967277;1420593758;asciilifeform;if it is not obvious why this is tremendously valuable, try to think about it for a few minutes.
967278;1420593792;*;asciilifeform will not waste the gentlemens' time by belabouring the point further
967279;1420593807;mircea_popescu;dude, it will be 5 years before anyone even figures out there's something to attack.
967280;1420593844;asciilifeform;actually i envision a department hastily assembled, of folks much like myself but underemployed, set to work on it.
967281;1420593901;mircea_popescu;heh.
967282;1420593907;mircea_popescu;in 2016.
967283;1420593910;mircea_popescu;and they'll fail.
967284;1420593955;asciilifeform;not even usg as such, needed for this. the crapware folks will readily latch on to anything like a solution to what ails them - which proposed apparatus is; and the antivirus folks will immediately proceed to piss out whatever fluids they can muster, against the problem
967285;1420593992;asciilifeform;if correctly built, apparatus will remain standing. but the notion that no one will see it fit to pour excrement upon the head of the early incarnation - is a mistake.
967286;1420594053;mircea_popescu;i'd bet you but we can't use bitbet because it doesn't take gavin btc.
967287;1420594060;asciilifeform;l0l
967288;1420594060;artifexd;I'm burning up a lot (ok, more than a few) credits on http://trilema.com/2015/artifexd-a-better-ircd-rfc/
967289;1420594061;assbot;[Artifexd] A better ircd [RFC] pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.  ... ( http://bit.ly/1AqRN9J )
967290;1420594077;mircea_popescu;artifexd now you are on to my secret plan
967291;1420594081;asciilifeform;artifexd: iirc comments on trilema don't require credits
967292;1420594096;artifexd;refreshing the page to see new comments does.
967293;1420594097;*;asciilifeform confesses that he has never purchased a credit on mircea_popescu's site...
967294;1420594147;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18116 @ 0.00063644 = 11.5297 BTC [-]
967295;1420594192;mircea_popescu;artifexd use one more then, i answer't.
967296;1420594213;BingoBoingo;https://twitter.com/rogerkver/status/552570734481272832
967297;1420594215;assbot;While forcing me to pay taxes /USEmbassyBbdos tyrants won't allow me to attend /hashtag/CES2015?src=hash, /hashtag/TNABC?src=hash or anything in the US http://t.co/8dl6qpPjUM
967298;1420594246;BingoBoingo;https://twitter.com/BitcoinEdu/status/552627964228038656
967299;1420594247;assbot;The Bitstamp booth at CES today. http://t.co/BaqOaml8UL http://t.co/DrgdEVyoZg
967300;1420594251;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu:  s/relied/relayed ?
967301;1420594262;artifexd;Oh! That shifts my interpretation somewhat.
967302;1420594263;mircea_popescu;is this ver's way of saying he can't afford anything bitcoin-related anymore, not even that thing in miami ?
967303;1420594267;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform aye ty
967304;1420594312;mircea_popescu;artifexd i guess in retrospect the use of "for" was misguided. chetty warned me, too.
967305;1420594325;mircea_popescu;but it's for as in, "i am doing in the name of x, ie, for x"
967306;1420594374;artifexd;So the "Hi there" part could include destination information in addition to the message.  Much like irc does now.
967307;1420594380;asciilifeform;i'd suggest term 'of', and use mathematical notation subkey(ofkey)
967308;1420594393;artifexd;XFF?
967309;1420594508;asciilifeform;artifexd: imho the 'hello' should stick to bare minimum - establishing the right of the interlocutor to speak to what is on the other end.
967310;1420594616;asciilifeform;if successful (he signed nonce with an ephemeral key for which the machine being spoken to possesses a valid primary wot-key signature, or is in fact transmitting a new ephemeral pubkey signed by such a wotkey) - this creates a session.
967311;1420594648;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: Seems so. Or it means He's basically Shrem'd except exile instead of jail.
967312;1420594662;asciilifeform;artifexd: i will not belabour the point, i think you will arrive at the correct answers on your own. they will fall into place in your head.
967313;1420594669;mircea_popescu;qui facit per alium facit per se sort of "for"
967314;1420594670;asciilifeform;this is one of those problems where it is almost unavoidable.
967315;1420594682;mircea_popescu;artifexd yes, it could, of course.
967316;1420594818;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2200 @ 0.00063644 = 1.4002 BTC [-]
967317;1420595151;BingoBoingo;5Is https://hackerone.com/news/pink-panther
967318;1420595153;assbot;The Tale of the Privacy Pink Panther - HackerOne ... ( http://bit.ly/1AqSX52 )
967319;1420595422;ben_vulpes;mircea_popescu: how do you plan to cook up a transaction dumping your coins that's valid on the gavinchain but not the mirceachain?
967320;1420595445;BingoBoingo;ben_vulpes: There are ways...
967321;1420595489;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23800 @ 0.00063644 = 15.1473 BTC [-]
967322;1420595536;ben_vulpes;specifics, though, BingoBoingo
967323;1420595542;BingoBoingo;First step is to double spend such that confirmed coins from address A end up confirmed to a safe depth at different addresses B and C on the different forked chains.
967324;1420595562;BingoBoingo;B and C both still being addresses under your control
967325;1420595568;BingoBoingo;From there... party time.
967326;1420595570;Apocalyptic;that makes sense
967327;1420595615;BingoBoingo;Getting the coins differently spent safely to different addresses on each chain is the important part.
967328;1420595675;asciilifeform;artifexd, mircea_popescu, others - http://trilema.com/2015/artifexd-a-better-ircd-rfc/#comment-111242
967329;1420595676;assbot;[Artifexd] A better ircd [RFC] pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.  ... ( http://bit.ly/1AqTDHH )
967330;1420595706;kakobrekla;https://twitter.com/rogerkver/status/552087758370775040 < still looking for trouble i see.
967331;1420595707;assbot;Which bank will have the foresight to give /krakenfx a USD bank account? /Chase /WellsFargo /BofA_News /usbank /Citibank /HSBC_US /hashtag/bitcoin?src=hash
967332;1420595812;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes if one block's large and the other small, all i need a tx that's included in the large block but not the small one. then doublespend it on the small one, which will be rejected necessarily by the large block blockchain
967333;1420595823;mircea_popescu;now i have bitcoin separated in two addresses, one for each chain.
967334;1420595862;mircea_popescu;the attempt may fail, but the cost to me of this failure is not significant, so i can keep on trying until it succeeds.
967335;1420595899;mircea_popescu;the only way to guard against it is, obviously,for the "large" chain to maintain 1:1 identity with the "small" one. because you don't just fork bitcoin.,
967336;1420595910;Apocalyptic;!up hanbot
967337;1420595913;ben_vulpes;i still fail to see how you're going to make a txn that gets included in the large block chain and not the small block chain.
967338;1420595916;hanbot;tyvm
967339;1420595920;ben_vulpes;anyways! i must off to tango lessons.
967340;1420595920;hanbot;BingoBoingo oh, i just thought i'd give the paragraph mp described a shot
967341;1420595931;mircea_popescu;(if it were that simple, teh enemies wouldn't be going through all the gymnastics & eating up all the frogs)
967342;1420595936;Apocalyptic;yw
967343;1420595937;artifexd;ben_vulpes: You don't. You keep sending money to yourself until it happens.
967344;1420595948;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes what do you mean ? it necessarily will occur.
967345;1420595955;mircea_popescu;since one contains more txn than the other by definition.
967346;1420595983;mircea_popescu;suppose i make 50k 1btc txn. they don't fit in a 1mn block. they do fit in a 10mb block. what now ?
967347;1420596001;BingoBoingo;hanbot: Well, the first bullet on the subject missed and you politely loaded the chamber with a second so why not?
967348;1420596041;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: the 'turn on your laptop to prove it isn't filled exclusively with trotyl' thing is rather tiresome. esp. since nothing keeps a miscreant from replacing only, e.g., half of the cells in his battery with plastique of similar shape and density.
967349;1420596080;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: but even the public 'state of the art' was an israeli phone, successfully delivered to intended decapitee, which functioned as intended for a few minutes and then detonated on command.
967350;1420596080;ben_vulpes;i've not the mental horsepower to attack this right now. after tango tho.
967351;1420596092;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: it presumably looked 'correct' on xray.
967352;1420596108;mircea_popescu;artifexd i wonder if for some god-forsaken reason the shitgnomes never actually considered this obviousness.
967353;1420596138;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: Really for the purpose of passing airport security one could likely replace all but the volume of one cell with substance, power on from coin cells.
967354;1420596160;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33088 @ 0.00063644 = 21.0585 BTC [-]
967355;1420596170;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo soon enough there's going to be a "no half empty batteries" rule then.
967356;1420596180;mircea_popescu;i'd lobby for that if i were a battery maker.
967357;1420596189;asciilifeform;neh
967358;1420596193;asciilifeform;no batteries, period.
967359;1420596204;asciilifeform;must rent in flight, if using, and re-purchase on other end.
967360;1420596225;asciilifeform;this will happen shortly prior to the 'naked anaesthetized flights'
967361;1420596229;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: Well i imagine sufficiently resourceful turrorist would make a normal looking to X-Ray evil battery pack
967362;1420596242;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: sop. israeli phone, etc
967363;1420596315;asciilifeform;this entire subject remaining a subject even in light of (reasonably well-known) fact of extant airplanes being remotely pwnable - is perplexing.
967364;1420596316;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: Right. Prolly won't be long before ISIS seizes a medical xray and does some experimenting to catch up tp 5Is on this front
967365;1420596341;asciilifeform;'pwnable' isn't even the right word
967366;1420596346;asciilifeform;they're approximately what ssl is.
967367;1420596367;asciilifeform;pre-masterkeyed. this was quietly ushered into being shortly post '9/11' and mostly forgotten about in public.
967368;1420596385;artifexd;asciilifeform, mircea_popescu, et al: http://trilema.com/2015/artifexd-a-better-ircd-rfc/#comment-111243
967369;1420596385;assbot;[Artifexd] A better ircd [RFC] pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.  ... ( http://bit.ly/1AqUqIr )
967370;1420596482;asciilifeform;artifexd: http://trilema.com/2015/artifexd-a-better-ircd-rfc/#comment-111244
967371;1420596498;kakobrekla;502 Bad Gateway
967372;1420596505;artifexd;O noes!
967373;1420596508;Apocalyptic;^
967374;1420596515;asciilifeform;damn
967375;1420596520;artifexd;You broke it
967376;1420596538;Apocalyptic;the page is too successful
967377;1420596701;artifexd;Anybody have a good name for this project? ircd isn't going to cut it.
967378;1420596735;mike_c;why? let the other ircd change it's name.
967379;1420596748;asciilifeform;mike_c: terrible thing to do.
967380;1420596761;mike_c;just teasing the bitcoin foundation :D
967381;1420596771;asciilifeform;mike_c: phoundation - deserved the treatment; old warhorse irc - doesn't
967382;1420596870;BingoBoingo;ArseD?
967383;1420596899;asciilifeform;artifexd: if you're up for it, we can continue the thread here while trilema is down
967384;1420596916;artifexd;Sure
967385;1420596919;artifexd;What'd you say?
967386;1420596931;asciilifeform;artifexd: the mechanism for doing what ought to be done has a generic name: 'gossip protocol'
967387;1420596955;asciilifeform;that is, you utter a certain thing, or rather, sequence of things, and wish for said fact to become 'universal knowledge' at some point
967388;1420596991;asciilifeform;and it is accomplished by people talking to one another: 'have you heard xxxxx?' 'nope, do tell.' or 'sure, heard all about it.'
967389;1420597009;asciilifeform;bitcoin implements one variant of this.
967390;1420597070;asciilifeform;i will argue that you will want to, in general, 'hash-chain' all of your public (type 'a' in my last visible comment) messages.
967391;1420597101;mircea_popescu;it's down ?!
967392;1420597134;asciilifeform;hash-chain or some variation on that theme is the only way an operator can be certain of possessing an unbroken chain of what a particular key has uttered.
967393;1420597159;artifexd;Now you're talking about a lot of back and forth instead of the bundle approach.
967394;1420597209;artifexd;I could see the value in that if maintaining an unbroken history was important.
967395;1420597211;asciilifeform;if you take the bundle approach, you are suddenly faced with a multitude of very arbitrary decisions re: what ought to be included in bundle.
967396;1420597238;asciilifeform;thing is, you need a hard-reliable mechanism regardless of what you do, if only on account of having the WoT in this thing.
967397;1420597243;asciilifeform;so it may as well apply to everything.
967398;1420597253;asciilifeform;there is no reason to bring 'net splits' into existence again.
967399;1420597257;Apocalyptic;so is qntra for me
967400;1420597272;mircea_popescu;well i just responded...
967401;1420597294;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: your site is down as seen from my perch
967402;1420597306;artifexd;If you do the gossip thing then each server needs to maintain a history (of possibly infinite length)
967403;1420597314;asciilifeform;like bitcoin.
967404;1420597315;mircea_popescu;http://www.downforeveryoneorjustme.com/trilema.com
967405;1420597316;assbot;Down For Everyone Or Just Me -> Check if your website is down or up? ... ( http://bit.ly/1AqVgFd )
967406;1420597317;mircea_popescu;meanwhile...
967407;1420597321;artifexd;And now we have a blockchain growth problem.
967408;1420597327;asciilifeform;how is it a problem ?
967409;1420597335;mircea_popescu;srsly, no blockchain.
967410;1420597348;asciilifeform;no blockchain. just chain.
967411;1420597357;mircea_popescu;the messages should be kept around for a short interval (hour ?) while the user can retain them as long as he wants.
967412;1420597370;mircea_popescu;but basically the bundle should cover the last hour.
967413;1420597446;asciilifeform;if no chain: malicious node can selectively drop messages.
967414;1420597447;Apocalyptic;mircea, I get a timeout for both trilema and qntra, looks like we may have been banned, which is surprising because I didn't refresh the page too quickly
967415;1420597467;asciilifeform;notice you don't have to store the chain permanently
967416;1420597470;asciilifeform;just rolling window.
967417;1420597485;asciilifeform;Apocalyptic: same here
967418;1420597486;artifexd;An hour? Shit. I was thinking 5 seconds.
967419;1420597493;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform so ?
967420;1420597494;artifexd;If a bundle is sent every second.
967421;1420597519;mircea_popescu;artifexd ah that's a point. my 1hour was outer limit.
967422;1420597551;asciilifeform;a window of 5 seconds will give quite a few dropped messages.
967423;1420597564;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8200 @ 0.00063644 = 5.2188 BTC [-]
967424;1420597564;mircea_popescu;this is likely actually.
967425;1420597584;asciilifeform;why not allow a node to store as much history as he wishes to expend on disk
967426;1420597595;mircea_popescu;because not its job.
967427;1420597595;artifexd;Why? If you're connected when a message comes across the wire, you get it. If not, you don't.  Much like irc now.
967428;1420597597;asciilifeform;and synchronize based on histories of individual pubkeys
967429;1420597615;mircea_popescu;because it's chat. if someone wants to log it, that's a diff story.
967430;1420597639;asciilifeform;the distinction between 'log' and 'allow very high-latency chat' is very thin.
967431;1420597662;asciilifeform;if i'm on a satellite modem, i doubt that one in ten messages of 5-second window will make it through to my node.
967432;1420597725;artifexd;Sure it would.  If you have a connection to another server, it will send you all the messages it gets.  Although I imagine some manner of "screw you, you're too slow" code will be needed eventually.
967433;1420597733;asciilifeform;this apparatus of yours is not merely ircd with new coat of paint. it is a very different animal mathematically, as you lot will soon realize.
967434;1420597750;mircea_popescu;it's okay for slow nodes to lose messages
967435;1420597755;mircea_popescu;this is what the definition of "Slow" is.
967436;1420597770;mircea_popescu;if i were to connect to irc with a 360 baud modem i would similarily lose messages.
967437;1420597796;artifexd;asciilifeform: What you want sounds very similar to bitmessage, no?
967438;1420597804;asciilifeform;perhaps root of disagreement is that i originally contemplated something more along the lines of a very fast usenet, rather than potentially slow chat.
967439;1420597809;asciilifeform;'store and forward'
967440;1420597824;artifexd;usenet is pretty damn fast.
967441;1420597826;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform it's not really a log-with-chat.
967442;1420597828;mircea_popescu;it's a chat.,
967443;1420597829;asciilifeform;the 300 baud modem loses no usenet messages.
967444;1420597840;mircea_popescu;yes, because they're not signed nor crypted.
967445;1420597847;asciilifeform;even when they are.
967446;1420597864;artifexd;The storage requirements for a usenet server are stupid high.
967447;1420597874;asciilifeform;except in degenerate case, where modem and owner both crumble to dust before the transmission can finish
967448;1420597878;asciilifeform;through the ravages of time
967449;1420597885;mircea_popescu;a 360 baud modem loses 99% of usenet messages out of a pipe which puts out 36kbps worth of messages continuously.
967450;1420597896;asciilifeform;well yes.
967451;1420597902;mircea_popescu;how you slice the 99% is uninteresting.
967452;1420597945;asciilifeform;now answer under what circumstances one can accept a loss of even one packet of WoT computation.
967453;1420597950;artifexd;Side question: How do you quote a previous comment on trilema?
967454;1420597969;mircea_popescu;<blockquote>
967455;1420597983;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform that's in the hello message.
967456;1420598000;asciilifeform;hence atomic operation, aha
967457;1420598012;mircea_popescu;each server sends its own view, you compile what interests you.
967458;1420598033;asciilifeform;inescapably one will end up seeing slightly different WoTs, at least on their peripheries, at different times.
967459;1420598040;asciilifeform;i doubt that this can be avoided entirely
967460;1420598041;mircea_popescu;necessarioly.
967461;1420598046;mircea_popescu;thjere is no such thing as "one" wot.
967462;1420598051;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9000 @ 0.00063432 = 5.7089 BTC [-] {2} 
967463;1420598057;mircea_popescu;for that matter, a "total score" is nonsense predicated on this mistaken view.
967464;1420598059;mircea_popescu;there is no center wot.
967465;1420598064;asciilifeform;only if it, as it does presently, lives in just one specially-designated temple
967466;1420598069;mircea_popescu;right.
967467;1420598078;mircea_popescu;which is kind-of why the "total score" nonsense is so hard entrenched.
967468;1420598093;mircea_popescu;the current implementation favours what is fundamewntally an erroneous view of thew wot as "one thing". it is not one thing.
967469;1420598098;asciilifeform;i've been wishing that folks would let go of it for quite some time.
967470;1420598100;asciilifeform;!s kyristor
967471;1420598101;assbot;14 results for 'kyristor' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=kyristor
967472;1420598103;mircea_popescu;as assbot's usage over timne has shown
967473;1420598111;asciilifeform;before i learned of the wot that we now use.
967474;1420598117;asciilifeform;(*even before)
967475;1420598136;asciilifeform;the notion of 'trustworthiness' as a scalar is fundamental to scamatrons of all stripes.
967476;1420598147;asciilifeform;it isn't a scalar.
967477;1420598177;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-11-2014#917896
967478;1420598177;assbot;Logged on 12-11-2014 01:24:54; asciilifeform: ^ my ancient failed attempt at 'wot.' was to be used with another (never happened) apparatus, 'sollipse,' for running a 'multiverse' of wots.
967479;1420598224;BingoBoingo;lol at Slate http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_world_/2015/01/06/pegida_marches_xenophobia_is_going_mainstream_in_germany.html
967480;1420598226;assbot;PEGIDA marches: Xenophobia is going mainstream in Germany. ... ( http://bit.ly/1Kk0Df0 )
967481;1420598232;artifexd;Piss... trilema is 502ing again
967482;1420598249;artifexd;Which I can only assume means it ate my comment.
967483;1420598302;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: http://www.slate.com/blogs/business_insider/2015/01/05/russian_hedge_fund_founder_disappears_with_all_the_firm_s_money.html?wpisrc=obnetwork << another mega-lol from same site
967484;1420598304;assbot;Russian hedge fund founder disappears with all the firm's money. ... ( http://bit.ly/1Kk0GYd )
967485;1420598345;mircea_popescu;artifexd umm... i see it but not your comment.
967486;1420598351;mircea_popescu;is this some routing mishmashing or something ?
967487;1420598364;*;asciilifeform also cannot connect now
967488;1420598380;*;asciilifeform probably caught in spam/ddos trap
967489;1420598382;mircea_popescu;a there it is.
967490;1420598389;mircea_popescu;it... didn't eat your comment lol
967491;1420598396;artifexd;It did.
967492;1420598406;artifexd;I refreshed the post page. :)
967493;1420598481;mircea_popescu;answer't.
967494;1420598488;mircea_popescu;lettuce continue this convo while asciilifeform feels all left out :D
967495;1420598493;asciilifeform;l0l
967496;1420598521;Apocalyptic;how long are the bans typically scheduled for ?
967497;1420598564;mircea_popescu;depends, from an hour up
967498;1420598623;artifexd;Ok. The layers are forming in my head.
967499;1420599168;BingoBoingo;!up ddddddd
967500;1420599520;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: 'gossipd' << see 'gossip protocols', very interesting subfield in maths.
967501;1420599527;mircea_popescu;aham
967502;1420599534;asciilifeform;highly recommended to anyone who took part in or enjoyed reading this thread.
967503;1420599537;mircea_popescu;anyway, THAT is why not signed messages.
967504;1420599546;mircea_popescu;perfect deniability, much better than forward secrecy
967505;1420599552;mircea_popescu;jurov ^
967506;1420599563;asciilifeform;still need signed hellos
967507;1420599577;mircea_popescu;since by very definition gestapo can't trust A B C
967508;1420599581;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform sure, but not the same thing.
967509;1420599640;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: complicates your design a bit, as now you have two classes of message
967510;1420599642;asciilifeform;instead of one
967511;1420599650;mircea_popescu;how so ?
967512;1420599657;asciilifeform;(wot operations still need to be signed, as well as 'hello' session negotiations.)
967513;1420599663;mircea_popescu;no.
967514;1420599666;asciilifeform;hm?
967515;1420599674;mircea_popescu;each server maintains his wot ratings, and theyt are sent out as part of hello procedure
967516;1420599683;mircea_popescu;each server compiles wot list for use of its user from helos received
967517;1420599698;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16600 @ 0.00063295 = 10.507 BTC [-]
967518;1420599710;*;asciilifeform marches off to thinking room to properly think about this.
967519;1420599720;asciilifeform;and to pet neglected pet
967520;1420600350;artifexd;Wait. Wut?
967521;1420600358;mircea_popescu;which part.
967522;1420600371;artifexd;You specifically don't want messages signed?
967523;1420600389;artifexd;For deniability?
967524;1420600415;mircea_popescu;there's no signing in there, is there ?
967525;1420600440;artifexd;There is not. I took that as an oversight.
967526;1420600454;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=05-01-2015#966081 also.
967527;1420600454;assbot;Logged on 05-01-2015 17:59:47; davout: i was thinking rely on GPG and simply encode a nonce in the message
967528;1420600457;mircea_popescu;no, it's not an oversight.
967529;1420600471;artifexd;When a message A for B C comes over the wire, how can I trust that B actually said C?
967530;1420600488;mircea_popescu;hm ?
967531;1420600489;artifexd;Maybe A is trustworthy but got the message from D.
967532;1420600494;mircea_popescu;so ?
967533;1420600503;mircea_popescu;his job to police his lists.
967534;1420600504;artifexd;And D is full of shit.
967535;1420600597;artifexd;What stops server A from inventing messages by B?
967536;1420600605;mircea_popescu;don't trust people you don't trust and so you won't have to answer unpleasant questions from people whose trust you value.
967537;1420600610;mircea_popescu;nothing.
967538;1420600621;mircea_popescu;in fact, for all you know A sends whole different novels to B and C.
967539;1420600646;artifexd;That seems... less than ideal.
967540;1420600651;mircea_popescu;why ?
967541;1420600662;artifexd;Because we are building a new system from the ground up.
967542;1420600666;mircea_popescu;right.
967543;1420600683;mircea_popescu;so ?
967544;1420600690;BingoBoingo;Is anyone (mike_c?) interested in doing a recap of 2014 in Bitcoin finance?
967545;1420600699;mircea_popescu;good idea that bb.
967546;1420600740;artifexd;Everyone is already identified by crypto. Why not ensure that messages that say they are from a keyset actually came from the keyset?
967547;1420600754;mircea_popescu;because it's chat.
967548;1420600767;mircea_popescu;do you ordinarily sign contracts with people you chat with in the bus ?
967549;1420600792;artifexd;Kinda
967550;1420600804;mircea_popescu;well, i don't. i more often have sex with someone in the bus
967551;1420600808;mircea_popescu;than sign a contract there.
967552;1420600813;kakobrekla;dont chat with strangers.
967553;1420600813;artifexd;If by "sign" you mean "have some effing clue who just said that"
967554;1420600816;mircea_popescu;for that matter, imagine  a "No" string signed. what now ?
967555;1420600818;mircea_popescu;i can use it later.
967556;1420600832;mircea_popescu;artifexd you have a clue : either your friend, or someone who only exists
967557;1420600836;mircea_popescu;in the sense your friend sayus he does.
967558;1420600853;mircea_popescu;this "objective existence of user" is a trap in our task here. it doesn' tserve, it hinders.
967559;1420600906;BingoBoingo;<mircea_popescu> for that matter, imagine  a "No" string signed. what now ? << This is the big.
967560;1420600929;artifexd;It would be a timestamped "No".
967561;1420600954;mircea_popescu;moreover, i wish to take this opportunity and link the important point of the "unsheathe your sword". inasmuch as people proceed on the "user objectively exists" and then try to "create anonimity" the unavoidable result is "anonimity is hard lolz".
967562;1420600974;mircea_popescu;the only entity served by this nonsense is nsa. users don't actually exist, outside of what the parties you trust say.
967563;1420600981;mircea_popescu;artifexd so if it is.
967564;1420600992;BingoBoingo;http://dealbook.nytimes.com/2014/12/30/whistle-blower-awards-lure-wrongdoers-looking-to-score/
967565;1420601078;artifexd;When you and I have a conversation on here (and gribble is around, and you ident to a key), then later you and I have another conversation (and, again, gribble is around and you ident to the same key), then I can trust that I am talking to the same person I was before.
967566;1420601092;artifexd;Signing messages would provide that same assurance. But automatically.
967567;1420601101;mircea_popescu;and if i am in your list and you in mine the same is preserved by gossipd.
967568;1420601105;artifexd;Wanna be somebody else, grab a new key.
967569;1420601109;mircea_popescu;without a requirement to sign.
967570;1420601123;mircea_popescu;however, if you only know asciilifeform and he;'s relying my chat,
967571;1420601138;mircea_popescu;for all practical purposes i am his 3rd split personality, a figment of his rich imagination.
967572;1420601150;artifexd;Exactly
967573;1420601165;mircea_popescu;this is ideal.
967574;1420601176;asciilifeform;let's see if i misunderstood something.
967575;1420601202;asciilifeform;in mircea_popescu's scheme, my wot-graph exists as a bitstring that my particular node will disgorge if asked?
967576;1420601203;mircea_popescu;incidentally, the evolution of this dev session clearly proves the superiority of chat over say bbs, of which forums and trilema comments are implementations.
967577;1420601210;asciilifeform;rather than permanent blockchain-style world record
967578;1420601219;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform well, disgorge on handshake but yea
967579;1420601222;asciilifeform;well then:
967580;1420601239;asciilifeform;let's imagine the good ship Mircea, a four-reactored former soviet nuke sub;
967581;1420601258;asciilifeform;a martian death ray takes out a satellite. the ship is now within five day's steam of the next chance for net connection
967582;1420601268;mircea_popescu;lol. the actual ship mircea is an old barque. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mircea_(ship)
967583;1420601269;assbot;Mircea (ship) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ... ( http://bit.ly/1HJOI85 )
967584;1420601274;asciilifeform;during these five days, how many sc4mz0rs will find themselves temporarily rehabilitated ?
967585;1420601281;asciilifeform;barque << haha yes, knew this
967586;1420601311;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform you still have an old list.
967587;1420601312;asciilifeform;worse yet, if the boat were to perish in honourable combat, with all hands aboard, the global state of wot shall return to as if he and the crew had never lived ?
967588;1420601321;asciilifeform;aye i have an old list. but that's quite ad-hoc.
967589;1420601328;mircea_popescu;which ius no different from the current situation
967590;1420601332;asciilifeform;and i can't sign it with a fresh mircea-nonce.
967591;1420601336;asciilifeform;because i am me and not him
967592;1420601337;mircea_popescu;if i die tomorrow who will maintain my wot ?
967593;1420601339;mircea_popescu;uhhh... nobody.
967594;1420601355;asciilifeform;but it stays around as a statue, for so long as nanotube remains ungassed
967595;1420601368;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform no, but you can sign it with yours, if you wish. which correctly reflects the situation. "here are the words of great X i attest to"
967596;1420601369;asciilifeform;which in this one respect is an arguable improvement over the hypothetical apparatus
967597;1420601375;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: aha!
967598;1420601376;mircea_popescu;i do not see it.
967599;1420601381;mircea_popescu;how do you know it's not been diddled ?
967600;1420601387;asciilifeform;that is an ad-hoc, bug-ridden reimplementation of the blockchain!
967601;1420601387;mircea_popescu;you'd have to ask an elder or two anyway.
967602;1420601390;asciilifeform;to borrow a greenspunish,
967603;1420601394;asciilifeform;*greenspunism
967604;1420601412;asciilifeform;'those who will not' xxx 'are doomed to' yyy 'it'
967605;1420601416;mircea_popescu;inasmuch as my old wot is still signed with my old key, and you have a copy
967606;1420601424;mircea_popescu;it's as good as current thing, except better cuz signed.
967607;1420601438;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: and then we get medieval-style rediscoveries of 'the latter gospel of mircea'
967608;1420601453;asciilifeform;why not cut straight to chase.
967609;1420601466;mircea_popescu;very theoretical possibility, as "the last words" are hard to fake online.
967610;1420601498;asciilifeform;not so much a concern re: fakes, but losses.
967611;1420601518;mircea_popescu;for all you know some validly signed material from 2012 satoshi emerges tomorrow. tis what it is.
967612;1420601529;mircea_popescu;for all you know it can even came in the shape of regular bitcoin txn.
967613;1420601541;asciilifeform;and say my sub, a considerably poorer vessel, only has connection when on equator. say, one day in 60, in sight of particular satellite.
967614;1420601543;mircea_popescu;will be honored once known. ignored meanwhiule.
967615;1420601569;asciilifeform;under the contemplated scheme, i may as well not bother to use wot then
967616;1420601579;asciilifeform;or would have to station it shore-side somehow
967617;1420601584;mircea_popescu;well, if you can only net once in 2 months you can only net once in 2 months.
967618;1420601588;mircea_popescu;some of your stuff will be out of date.
967619;1420601598;asciilifeform;we again arrive at a system of ad-hoc, bug-ridden relays and informal mirrors
967620;1420601607;mircea_popescu;i still dun see it.
967621;1420601616;mircea_popescu;but anyway, relays are strength not weakness here.
967622;1420601633;asciilifeform;when part of mechanism, by spec and by reliable practice sans hand-holding
967623;1420601647;asciilifeform;think of the advantage bitcoin has over hawala.
967624;1420601661;asciilifeform;hawala is more or less the same, but implemented in the informal, mouth-to-ear way contemplated above.
967625;1420601707;asciilifeform;('the same' topologically! not mechanically, clearly)
967626;1420601723;mircea_popescu;what's adequate for moving currency is not adequate for moving words.
967627;1420601784;asciilifeform;wot, i'd say, falls somewhere between (or floating far in the state-space) from currency or mere words
967628;1420601803;mircea_popescu;i still can't possibly see what flaw you perceive with the wot part of gossipd
967629;1420601815;artifexd;So what is the value of this vice a private stock ircd with a gribble?
967630;1420601826;asciilifeform;the fact that my wot actions disappear when my node loses net
967631;1420601832;asciilifeform;i think it is ludicrous.
967632;1420601837;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform they don't dood. how do they disappear ?
967633;1420601844;asciilifeform;disappear until i get plugged back in
967634;1420601849;mircea_popescu;artifexd thgat it has no central servers, for one.
967635;1420601851;asciilifeform;which perhaps never, because atomic bomb fell on me.
967636;1420601860;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform anyone who saw the old ones has a copy!
967637;1420601866;mircea_popescu;this is just like it is now! everything!
967638;1420601868;asciilifeform;and what can they do with this copy?
967639;1420601880;asciilifeform;consult it while forming own wot ratings, informally?
967640;1420601885;mircea_popescu;anything ? they're signed by you. they're, until anyone hears better, your position.
967641;1420601907;asciilifeform;by what mechanism are they kept around in the world ?
967642;1420601921;asciilifeform;someone manually copied it to a text file at some point ?
967643;1420601922;mircea_popescu;by the same mechanism anything of anyone's kept around in the world : your friends have copies.
967644;1420601925;mircea_popescu;an' shall remember you.
967645;1420601945;mircea_popescu;chat is not an instrument to permanence. it's an instrument to chat.
967646;1420601950;mircea_popescu;permanence is to be ensured by other means
967647;1420601956;asciilifeform;chat - sure
967648;1420601957;asciilifeform;wot ??
967649;1420601961;mircea_popescu;(this doesn't replace notarybot, for instance)
967650;1420601982;asciilifeform;if wot ratings were archived - it could.
967651;1420601989;mircea_popescu;anyone can archive them!
967652;1420601997;mircea_popescu;yourself included.
967653;1420602005;asciilifeform;can != will reliably
967654;1420602017;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17700 @ 0.00063127 = 11.1735 BTC [-] {2} 
967655;1420602026;mircea_popescu;i don't think you will find the computerized means to ensure immutability.
967656;1420602029;asciilifeform;let's ask - how many folks reading this have archived, e.g., the works of fermat ?
967657;1420602035;mircea_popescu;but for as long as anyone gives a shit, they'll be there.
967658;1420602036;asciilifeform;dead tree counts
967659;1420602078;asciilifeform;probably quite a few folks. but the thing that distinguishes fermat from wot is that wot needs to be at least quasi-'hot' to really work as intended, imho.
967660;1420602116;asciilifeform;a copy of my wotgraph kept around as a message in a bottle under nitrogen in my brother's house, say, will not really carry out its function as a live reflection of my wot-will.
967661;1420602118;asciilifeform;in real time.
967662;1420602127;mircea_popescu;because why not ?
967663;1420602133;asciilifeform;because it is in a bottle.
967664;1420602168;mircea_popescu;things change,you know. mayhap people you used to trust are nopw scammers
967665;1420602177;mircea_popescu;present wot would benefit immensely from some dead hand cleanning as it is.
967666;1420602188;asciilifeform;this is actually an ancient debate in the maths-of-p2p-nets world
967667;1420602193;mircea_popescu;i really do not wish to hear how much some long gone loser trusts whatever long gone scammer.
967668;1420602197;asciilifeform;whether father time should forget
967669;1420602203;asciilifeform;and if so, how.
967670;1420602219;mircea_popescu;exactly like indicated. will exists for as long as the hand lives to enforce it
967671;1420602223;mircea_popescu;once that's gone... main morte.
967672;1420602235;mircea_popescu;leave the earth to better, later men.
967673;1420602267;asciilifeform;there are obvious wins to this approach. but opens the question of what, e.g., my brother, is to do with my wotgraph once my ship goes down.
967674;1420602280;mircea_popescu;whatever he wants.
967675;1420602290;mircea_popescu;we knowthis because he is here. you, are not.
967676;1420602290;asciilifeform;assuming he wishes it to march on
967677;1420602298;asciilifeform;is he to host it on an 'obelisk' node which does nothing else but relay it ?
967678;1420602304;mircea_popescu;could, easily.
967679;1420602317;asciilifeform;or adjust his own graph-weights? (that would somewhat defeat the purpose of a wot, loses information)
967680;1420602323;mircea_popescu;also could, also easily.
967681;1420602331;mircea_popescu;what information was lost ?
967682;1420602338;mircea_popescu;the wot reflects wqhat things ARE. not what they were.
967683;1420602350;mircea_popescu;that's why if right now i change a rating, the old one's gone.
967684;1420602369;asciilifeform;where the change propagates.
967685;1420602382;asciilifeform;right now this seems far easier than it will turn out to be on adult apparatus.
967686;1420602397;mircea_popescu;aha ?
967687;1420602449;asciilifeform;the 'dynamicity' of new-wot (vs classical wot) creates some very strong incentives for hooligans of all stripes
967688;1420602467;asciilifeform;to attempt to disrupt signal, locate mirrors
967689;1420602473;mircea_popescu;i still don't see there's a difference.
967690;1420602477;asciilifeform;to create temporary warps in the fabric of wot.
967691;1420602493;mircea_popescu;are you sure those aren't simply the resuilts of "no more central server" ?
967692;1420602512;asciilifeform;well, in a sense they are; but we're really surrendering to entropy here far more than, imho, is necessary
967693;1420602531;mircea_popescu;entropy is to be embraced. it's no surender when you manage to flow with it.
967694;1420602548;asciilifeform;i won't argue that wot moves ought to be retained for all eternity; but will say that some automatic caching is necessary
967695;1420602553;mircea_popescu;the less you figh entropy while still doing your job, the longer you'll live.
967696;1420602559;asciilifeform;because things that are tedious and must be done manually, tend to not get done.
967697;1420602566;mircea_popescu;so anyone's free to implement all the caching one wants.
967698;1420602611;asciilifeform;let's say that a fair number of node operators wish to cache. now they are stuck retaining (and transmitting, regularly!) a vast number of duplicate copies of many wotgraphs
967699;1420602630;mircea_popescu;why ?
967700;1420602635;mircea_popescu;they can cache whichever way they wish/
967701;1420602650;asciilifeform;not so many ways to choose from if result is to behave functionally live
967702;1420602659;asciilifeform;(i.e., just as their own live wotgraph behaves)
967703;1420602677;asciilifeform;in the end, you end up with a poor reimplementation of 'blockchain' anyway
967704;1420602697;mircea_popescu;yes stan, if you wish to have a blockchain you will end up having to implement one.
967705;1420602698;mircea_popescu;o.O
967706;1420602700;asciilifeform;i will let this point prove itself, but was willing to argue for it to possibly save mircea_popescu and artifexd some unnecessary sweat
967707;1420602812;artifexd;I still haven't processed the wot part of the spec. I'm still trying to understand why you wouldn't sign the messages. It seems to be asking for evil actors.
967708;1420602819;asciilifeform;http://pastebin.com/w5VYjyBu << possibly very relevant
967709;1420602820;assbot;THE PETRIFIED WORLD (Robert Sheckley) - Pastebin.com ... ( http://bit.ly/1BxiUBn )
967710;1420602842;asciilifeform;(1971 story)
967711;1420602887;artifexd;Other than the argument that a signed "no" could be used for something malicious. Uh... It just means that you said no.  It doesn't imply what you said no in response to. Just that you said no.
967712;1420602937;asciilifeform;this is why i suggested chaining.
967713;1420602951;asciilifeform;prevents a future forged conversation stitched out of words you have uttered.
967714;1420602963;asciilifeform;(of signed gibblets, anyway)
967715;1420603005;artifexd;millisecond timestamps and a counter would do that too.
967716;1420603023;mircea_popescu;artifexd explain why you WOULD sign them.
967717;1420603027;asciilifeform;artifexd: next thing you know we're doing lamport clocks.
967718;1420603028;artifexd;Actually, as fast as I type single second resolution timestamps would be enough.
967719;1420603040;mircea_popescu;and yes, unixtime timestamps.
967720;1420603054;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11344 @ 0.00062984 = 7.1449 BTC [-]
967721;1420603076;artifexd;Why would I sign messages? Why would I appreciate messages that I receive to be signed?
967722;1420603096;mircea_popescu;why would you require chat lines be signed.
967723;1420603138;mircea_popescu;i mean, i understand, "it's how it's done". we're here because the current paradigm is - quite fundamentally - broken.
967724;1420603139;artifexd;Simple: I would sign all my messages so that if you told me that I said something that wasn't signed, I could legitimately call bullshit.
967725;1420603151;mircea_popescu;you can call bullshit in the gossipd as well.
967726;1420603155;mircea_popescu;that's provided.
967727;1420603162;asciilifeform;let's put it this way - if i wish for my words to successfully relay beyond my own node, i have to sign them with an ephemeral key
967728;1420603165;mircea_popescu;if you wish to elevate some chat to a contract, you directly can do that too.
967729;1420603167;mircea_popescu;by signign it.
967730;1420603196;asciilifeform;how is anything originating in my machine to leave my node without being signed ?
967731;1420603198;artifexd;I would appreciate signed messages so that I could have some moderate assurance that bob is actually bob and not some asshole evil server.
967732;1420603209;mircea_popescu;artifexd you have SOME assurance.
967733;1420603215;mircea_popescu;if you know bob, this is cryptographic.
967734;1420603225;mircea_popescu;if you do not know bob, that assurance is meaningless anyway.
967735;1420603252;asciilifeform;^ not entirely
967736;1420603254;artifexd;I would have to have a direct connection to bob in order to believe anything with his fingerprint.
967737;1420603263;asciilifeform;you can still know that bob(today) is (or is not) same as bob(next month)
967738;1420603264;mircea_popescu;right.
967739;1420603273;mircea_popescu;which is EXACTLY as it is anyway
967740;1420603283;asciilifeform;not necessarily same person, but same key (e.g., is same bourbaki)
967741;1420603286;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform herp.
967742;1420603298;mircea_popescu;so you can still know... nothing much.
967743;1420603302;asciilifeform;arguing that this can be useful information
967744;1420603307;artifexd;Part of the trust is that you can handle a key.
967745;1420603307;asciilifeform;in some truly perverse cases
967746;1420603312;mircea_popescu;anything can be useful information.
967747;1420603327;mircea_popescu;artifexd if you don't know bob, for all you know he's lying to you.
967748;1420603329;mircea_popescu;ANYWAY.
967749;1420603340;mircea_popescu;with or without a key. there is no mechanical solution to trust
967750;1420603347;mircea_popescu;just like there are no mechanically generated random numbers.
967751;1420603353;*;asciilifeform did not imagine that there were.
967752;1420603365;mircea_popescu;i am aware the inept consensus today is to think that technology can solve trust.
967753;1420603366;artifexd;Trust doesn't mean that I take bob's word as gospel.
967754;1420603377;mircea_popescu;the reason this is even specced is to provide some sanity while everyone wastes their life in that ai quest.
967755;1420603381;asciilifeform;'trust' is probably a word that will have to be retired, like phlogiston.
967756;1420603418;artifexd;Trust in this case means that, as asciilifeform said, bob(today) is bob(next month)
967757;1420603425;asciilifeform;nooo
967758;1420603436;asciilifeform;trust is simply an obsolete, pre-scientific word.
967759;1420603442;artifexd;I mean as in trust the message
967760;1420603444;asciilifeform;please don't put it on life support, it needs to die
967761;1420603468;mircea_popescu;artifexd hardly if that.
967762;1420603485;mircea_popescu;for all you know bob is part of a 500 key ring operated by 5k monkeys.
967763;1420603487;artifexd;signed messages allow someone to build an identity
967764;1420603492;mircea_popescu;sure, they do.
967765;1420603514;mircea_popescu;but more's the point : signed messages allow the world to build an adversative identity of someone.
967766;1420603520;mircea_popescu;this is pointedly against the purpose of chat.
967767;1420603532;artifexd;As you have preached in the past, the identity built over time, secured by wot, has value.
967768;1420603551;artifexd;Take away the ability to build an identity and what's left?
967769;1420603564;mircea_popescu;it does, and that's exactly what;s happening, in the proper model. people chat. on that chat they build contracts. their contract history is fixed in a wot.
967770;1420603569;mircea_popescu;there's a great progression at work there.
967771;1420603575;artifexd;The key in the wot has no relation AT ALL to the message I just received with a fingerprint.
967772;1420603576;mircea_popescu;such ability is not taken away.
967773;1420603582;artifexd;Could be him. Could not. Who knows.
967774;1420603585;mircea_popescu;it does, if the sender is in your list.
967775;1420603589;mircea_popescu;it does not, if he is not.
967776;1420603604;mircea_popescu;in the case at hand, i'd know you are you, but i wouldn't know dddddd is anyone in particular.
967777;1420603606;mircea_popescu;this is correct.
967778;1420603623;mircea_popescu;because in point of fact ddddd is noone in particular.
967779;1420603665;mircea_popescu;they even say this, the various random guys the wind blows in. "who are you ?" "nobody in particular".
967780;1420603680;thestringpuller;!s gribble
967781;1420603681;assbot;15680 results for 'gribble' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=gribble
967782;1420603719;artifexd;How do you imagine bootstrapping this thing?
967783;1420603738;artifexd;Do we get in here, ident, and pass around ip addresses?
967784;1420603748;artifexd;Is that the start?
967785;1420603781;mircea_popescu;pretty much
967786;1420603797;mircea_popescu;you know, just like "up me please" but not centrally maintained.
967787;1420603806;mircea_popescu;just ask your friends.
967788;1420603828;thestringpuller;mircea_popescu: what would the result of someone forking the WoT be?
967789;1420603837;mircea_popescu;a wot fork ?
967790;1420603842;thestringpuller;yah
967791;1420603845;mircea_popescu;right.
967792;1420603853;thestringpuller;altgribble becomes hitler and makes his own db clones from nanotubes
967793;1420603863;thestringpuller;some "people" start using it
967794;1420603871;thestringpuller;but nanotube never comes back
967795;1420603875;mircea_popescu;what's wrong with using an alt wot ?
967796;1420603878;thestringpuller;or comes back months later (super worst case)
967797;1420603882;thestringpuller;that's my question
967798;1420603887;mircea_popescu;if you trust whoever maintains it... go ahead.
967799;1420603896;mircea_popescu;i have nfi who even runs altgribble. who is it ?
967800;1420603907;thestringpuller;well altgribble was generatlized example
967801;1420603918;artifexd;After the thing is up and running for 6 months. How does some insightful dude off the street get in?  Look for a public (and thus completely untrusted) access ircd that will let him connect and hope to build an identity to the point that you say "hey insightful_dude_from_the_street", what's your ip address? I'll let you connect to me because you say useful
967802;1420603918;artifexd;shit"?
967803;1420603926;thestringpuller;mexican_gribble etc
967804;1420603939;mircea_popescu;artifexd either that, or otherwise getting into a relationship with one of the people in
967805;1420603943;mircea_popescu;how does one get into l1 atm ?
967806;1420603948;mircea_popescu;l2*
967807;1420604032;mircea_popescu;how did lampelina come in ? kako added her to his node and said "hey, lampelina is this hot blondy I met in a bar."
967808;1420604057;mircea_popescu;if she starts doing evil shit like forwarding messages from obama, it'll look like obama: hey dudes, i smoke the c0k! to us,
967809;1420604075;artifexd;You have to beg for a chance to demonstrate the ability to be interesting before you get a chance to get judged.
967810;1420604078;mircea_popescu;but it'll look like obama[via lampelina] to kako. who can then go gtfo wtf you smokin beich ?!
967811;1420604116;mircea_popescu;artifexd you gotta get an up before you can voice. eh ?
967812;1420604124;kakobrekla;actually snatched from irc not a bar and our gfs make bad examples for this.
967813;1420604125;artifexd;Yeah.
967814;1420604169;mircea_popescu;kakobrekla sorry
967815;1420604192;artifexd;Fuck. What are we discussing.... Oh yeah. Why automatically adding any type of verification to a message is bad.
967816;1420604203;mircea_popescu;no.
967817;1420604206;thestringpuller;hanbot: nice qntra submission
967818;1420604210;artifexd;No?
967819;1420604219;mircea_popescu;we were discussing why it is good, and it turns out it isn't particularly, and so parsimony dictates it stays out.
967820;1420604308;kakobrekla;no sorry needed, its just that i dont put my penis into everyone that i would like to irc with.
967821;1420604318;artifexd;Preventing some douche from Bumfuck, Idaho from impersonating your hard built identity "isn't particularly good"?
967822;1420604336;mircea_popescu;artifexd this prevention is guaranteed by design as is.
967823;1420604348;mircea_popescu;he can only impersonate you to folk that don't know you.
967824;1420604380;artifexd;He can only impersonate me to people who don't have an absolutely direct connection to me.
967825;1420604391;mircea_popescu;or care to get one or know how.
967826;1420604398;mircea_popescu;technically, anyone can make a gpg key and name it Mircea Popescu
967827;1420604403;mircea_popescu;so what if it's the wrong numbers ?
967828;1420604448;artifexd;That's why the fingerprint and the alias, right?  Let the computer notice that the numbers don't match the the numbers that I identify as mircea.
967829;1420604489;mircea_popescu;for that matter, if we keep the A B C D ; X Y Z K convention, then A can impersonate K to Y only provided B isn't linked to C that is linked to D.
967830;1420604500;mircea_popescu;artifexd the computer wouldn't know.
967831;1420604516;mircea_popescu;if i get a fake key of you and sign it... it's good as far as the computer is concerned.
967832;1420604516;artifexd;Huh? Of course it would.
967833;1420604519;mircea_popescu;nope.
967834;1420604533;mircea_popescu;computer only finds through a direct connection.
967835;1420604560;artifexd;I have a fingerprint. Or a public key.  I give that fingerprint or key a name.  Anything not that key or fingerprint won't match to the name.
967836;1420604567;mircea_popescu;according to whom ?
967837;1420604588;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform lives in a submarine and never connects to you or your friends. i give him my own version of the "Artifex" key. he signs it.
967838;1420604592;mircea_popescu;bam.
967839;1420604632;artifexd;What does that have to do with anything>?
967840;1420604638;mircea_popescu;everything ?
967841;1420604643;mircea_popescu;it's exactly the scenario you're proposing.
967842;1420604680;artifexd;Nothing I, as artifexd with my key, say will ever show up as said by the same entity as whatever you say with your artifex key.
967843;1420604686;mircea_popescu;kakobrekla you know on reflection i'm the other way around ? i wouldn't irc with anyone i put my penis into
967844;1420604706;mircea_popescu;artifexd that's entirely up to me.
967845;1420604743;kakobrekla;yeah but you are just weird like that.
967846;1420604744;mircea_popescu;s/anyone/everyone
967847;1420604748;artifexd;Sure. If you have two keys in your wot and you want to give them both the same name. Knock yourself out.
967848;1420604763;artifexd;But *you* have to make the choice to be confusing.
967849;1420604789;asciilifeform;here's an observation:
967850;1420604793;artifexd;The system would, without your interference, label the things I say and the things your artifex say as said by seperate entities.
967851;1420604796;asciilifeform;i am not presently authenticated via 'gribble'
967852;1420604818;mircea_popescu;artifexd dubious at best.
967853;1420604821;asciilifeform;how many of the folks present are ready to believe that this 'asciilifeform' is the same animal they are accustomed to enduring the company of in #b-a ?
967854;1420604823;asciilifeform;and why?
967855;1420604837;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform i can tell, you sound just like him.
967856;1420604842;asciilifeform;well sure.
967857;1420604852;asciilifeform;but this is an 'informal bug-ridden implementation' of message signing.
967858;1420604856;mircea_popescu;what, you just bathed in the same bath twice ?
967859;1420604873;asciilifeform;when i grunt on the impalement pole, i will probably not be able to deny these words either, to the inquisitor, for the same reason
967860;1420604877;asciilifeform;'you sound just like him!'
967861;1420604879;artifexd;dubious? huh? how? the maths are the maths.
967862;1420604882;asciilifeform;hence the 'adverse identity' thing
967863;1420604887;asciilifeform;even if we have no sigs
967864;1420604896;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform i think you misrepresent the importance of this. currently, I can tell. *I*. Because i'm me, specifically. if you signed, so could preet.
967865;1420604901;mircea_popescu;you do not wish to make preet any gifts.
967866;1420604907;asciilifeform;sigs are pure win, for a creature like myself, just about everything that comes out of my mouth is 'signed' enough for inquisitor!
967867;1420604911;asciilifeform;why not sign for friends?
967868;1420604912;mircea_popescu;which is why this is an ircd fork rather than whatever, just apt-get it.
967869;1420604924;mircea_popescu;there is no such thing as "sign for friends" outside of the model detailed in my spec.
967870;1420604933;mircea_popescu;that's what that is. "signed, but for friends only"
967871;1420604944;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 2000 @ 0.00079058 = 1.5812 BTC [-] {5} 
967872;1420604951;asciilifeform;the only possible solution to preet signing as asciilifeform, or mircea_popescu, or whoever, is to pull the pin when he comes uninvited.
967873;1420604960;mircea_popescu;mno.
967874;1420604970;mircea_popescu;consider a bunch of chatlogs from gossipd presented in court.
967875;1420604984;mircea_popescu;"and then you said so and so" "um how you know this ?" "from node C" "well it lied to you"
967876;1420605002;mircea_popescu;"no it didn't!!1" "case dismissed" "but yur honor!!1"
967877;1420605021;asciilifeform;imho it is far from a sure thing that this will so much as add one drop of sweat to a usg inquisitor's work
967878;1420605026;artifexd;Your argument is that you WANT deniability?
967879;1420605042;mircea_popescu;artifexd my argument is that deniability must be baked in or not had.
967880;1420605053;mircea_popescu;and for chat it must be had. and so... it must be baked in.
967881;1420605071;artifexd;Hmmm.... this is not the project that I thought it was.
967882;1420605076;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: there is another way to bake it in.
967883;1420605091;BingoBoingo;Even preet loses cases
967884;1420605094;mircea_popescu;artifexd it isn't ?
967885;1420605101;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: consider: a subclass of private message where you ask a friend to pass along, to the 'room', some words.
967886;1420605103;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform aha ?
967887;1420605111;asciilifeform;explicitly proclaimed as 'not his own'
967888;1420605120;asciilifeform;the ears - can choose to believe, or not, naturally
967889;1420605126;asciilifeform;but this is inescapable
967890;1420605136;mircea_popescu;i don't follow.
967891;1420605202;asciilifeform;say mircea_popescu wishes to deniably utter the words 'brezhnev sucks'. he then asks me to utter, 'my friend, who wishes to stay unmarked, wishes to inform the ladies and gentlemen of this network that brezhnev sucks'
967892;1420605219;asciilifeform;we thus have a degree of deniability, about the same as in the case of no messages carrying signatures
967893;1420605219;mircea_popescu;artifexd suppose you don't reg your name, and someone comes in as artifexd and says things. should you be forced somehow to say if this is the case or not ?
967894;1420605220;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform i do not wish to stay unmarked.
967895;1420605228;asciilifeform;(contrieved example)
967896;1420605229;mircea_popescu;and i don't want "a degree" of deniability.
967897;1420605244;asciilifeform;as i reckon, same degree as the unsigned-message scenario
967898;1420605254;mircea_popescu;i want exactly what chat is : absolute deniability to the entire world, save your friends.
967899;1420605272;mircea_popescu;which is exactly how speech has functioned, since the dawn of time, to create what is known as the free world.
967900;1420605278;asciilifeform;'absolutes' are tricky.
967901;1420605281;mircea_popescu;high time computers conform.
967902;1420605286;mircea_popescu;not with the spec as given, imo.
967903;1420605307;asciilifeform;let's work out, using spec as given in mircea_popescu's article: what does an inquisitor know about a particular utterance
967904;1420605313;asciilifeform;if he were to put a node in his pocket
967905;1420605315;asciilifeform;or a series of nodes
967906;1420605328;mircea_popescu;okay.
967907;1420605365;asciilifeform;to how many possible pubkeys (and presumably, but not automagically, people) can he narrow down the 'brezhnev sucks' ?
967908;1420605370;asciilifeform;(typically)
967909;1420605379;mircea_popescu;i dun see how that'd be answered.
967910;1420605410;mircea_popescu;but i also have little interest in fighting the narrowing down. that's not really a good use of time.
967911;1420605427;asciilifeform;that's what 'deniability' means, unless i catastrophically misunderstand the concept
967912;1420605432;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35000 @ 0.00062617 = 21.916 BTC [-] {2} 
967913;1420605447;mircea_popescu;well, not how i understand it at any rate.
967914;1420605457;mircea_popescu;deniability is "you X" "no."
967915;1420605469;*;asciilifeform is transported to grade school mentally
967916;1420605498;mircea_popescu;as far as it's in the form "either you or A X" the only answer is "i don't care."
967917;1420605503;asciilifeform;teacher: 'it was one of you boys'
967918;1420605515;mircea_popescu;"get something substantial and bother me again"
967919;1420605565;artifexd;How many connections to other servers do you imagine that you will have? You as in you mircea_popescu.
967920;1420605572;artifexd;10? 60? 2000?
967921;1420605574;artifexd;1?
967922;1420605575;*;asciilifeform gets a distinct impression that mircea_popescu is still thinking of the adversary as being bound by laws, courts, procedures of evidence-gathering.
967923;1420605579;mircea_popescu;artifexd anywhere between a few dozen and a few thousands.
967924;1420605596;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform i am not thinking of an adversary. i am designing things correctly.
967925;1420605604;*;asciilifeform rather thinks that this is a military matter, where adversary can afford to ransack and search 100 houses but not 100,000, and hence his gathering bits of info - matters
967926;1420605638;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform that's a subplot i dun wanna enter into now - this is complex enough as it is - but suffice to say i am persuaded such situations are thermodynamiocally bound to narrow timespaces.
967927;1420605651;*;asciilifeform would much like to hear more about this later
967928;1420605663;mircea_popescu;ie, the police state only exists now and again, when the state of technology is poor enough.
967929;1420605706;asciilifeform;naggum had a piece where he confessed to thinking of 'open source' as a weapon, purpose-built for the destruction of a particular evil (microshit)
967930;1420605720;asciilifeform;that will have to be re-shaped into something quite else (his words) when enemy is dead
967931;1420605724;mircea_popescu;artifexd a 1mbps connection, which is reasonably common in households, should be able to support maybe a few hundred connections.
967932;1420605745;mircea_popescu;then again, the number of people people know is, from memory 1-200.
967933;1420605760;mircea_popescu;admitting everyone's awake at the same time.
967934;1420605779;*;asciilifeform still can't escape the feeling that hypothetical apparatus is a weapon, at least for the time being, that must be sharp enough to penetrate a particular tough grizzly hide if it is to carry on to being whatever it was meant to be...
967935;1420605780;mircea_popescu;and admitting everyone known is known to the same, high degree to warrant a connection.
967936;1420605797;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform it's merely meant to put chat on a sane footing.
967937;1420605808;mircea_popescu;since we're fixing ircd, might as well actually do it.
967938;1420605856;asciilifeform;at the very least, one ought to have the option of (unobtrusively!) signing every line
967939;1420605866;asciilifeform;i am quite ready to ephemeralkey-sign every line i have uttered in #b-a.
967940;1420605884;mircea_popescu;i don;'t see what in the spec would prevent anyone from so doing.
967941;1420605894;asciilifeform;in no small part because i cannot really picture my impalement or reprieve as hinging on attribution of what i've said
967942;1420605898;artifexd;I would think that instead of a list of ip addresses you would have a list of pubkeys and each pubkey has one (or more) ip addresses assigned to it.  When you start up gossipd, it calls out to all the ip addresses in the lists and says "I'm bob, proven by this signature. Prove you are alice, with cryptoproof".  If the answering box responds appropriately,
967943;1420605898;artifexd;cool. Keep the connection. If not, dump it.
967944;1420605921;asciilifeform;why is it necessary to involve ip addresses ?
967945;1420605933;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform gotta route packets somehow.
967946;1420605946;mircea_popescu;artifexd this could also work, as a handshakey sort of thing, sure.
967947;1420605951;artifexd;As a currently running gossipd, if I get a connection request with "I'm bob. Here's proof", then I accept the connection and add that ip address to my list for that key.  (For later connecting to him)
967948;1420605958;asciilifeform;let's say i communicate over courier.
967949;1420605962;asciilifeform;what is my 'ip address' then ?
967950;1420605966;mircea_popescu;spec was simpler on the assumption that since the helo package is keyed to the supposed key of the server, there's no need to challenge
967951;1420605970;mircea_popescu;if hje can decrypt it's him alright.
967952;1420605981;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19498 @ 0.00061581 = 12.0071 BTC [-]
967953;1420605981;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform it touches the network somewhere.
967954;1420606034;artifexd;Sure. Then the handshake doesn't go both ways, but the information shared is the same.  I know you have the key you say you have. You know I have the key I say I have.
967955;1420606036;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: when i sign my 'hello' i will have no idea where it will enter the network.
967956;1420606057;artifexd;I add the ip address to the key so when I start up, I have a place (or places) to look for you.
967957;1420606057;asciilifeform;it is quite impossible to sign your ip address if you communicate via courier who may stop at one of sixteen ports.
967958;1420606094;artifexd;asciilifeform: You have to have some way of receiving return messages, right?
967959;1420606101;asciilifeform;not necessarily
967960;1420606110;asciilifeform;it could be my final message as boat goes down.
967961;1420606125;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform then put it in a pastebin
967962;1420606127;asciilifeform;sent - in bottle.
967963;1420606129;mircea_popescu;and someone will link it.
967964;1420606135;asciilifeform;out of band?
967965;1420606139;mircea_popescu;sure.
967966;1420606149;asciilifeform;why is this necessary?
967967;1420606161;mircea_popescu;cause you're tryin to shoehorn nonchat uses of a chat network.
967968;1420606169;mircea_popescu;so you're going to have to carry the shoe horn yourself.
967969;1420606176;asciilifeform;by way of a considerably simpler design
967970;1420606191;asciilifeform;(unitary hello+signature packet)
967971;1420606203;artifexd;Sure. I have no issue with that.
967972;1420606214;mircea_popescu;uh.
967973;1420606222;mircea_popescu;the helo as it is contains some signed material.
967974;1420606225;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10500 @ 0.00064399 = 6.7619 BTC [+] {2} 
967975;1420606226;mircea_popescu;what would you sign ?
967976;1420606242;*;asciilifeform will, likely, happily play with whatever apparatus you folks come up with, but wishes that the choice be an informed one on the part of the implementers, rather than happenstance.
967977;1420606298;mircea_popescu;o look, 1k lines by 4 am. ben_vulpes will so much love this.
967978;1420606301;artifexd;Sign whatever you want.  As long as the timestamp is recent.
967979;1420606311;*;mircea_popescu waves.
967980;1420606329;mircea_popescu;artifexd so how is it different from the project you thouight it was ?
967981;1420606370;asciilifeform;artifexd: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=07-01-2015#967274 << basic summary of the thing i was mainly on about.
967982;1420606370;assbot;Logged on 07-01-2015 01:22:05; asciilifeform: with udp, you can make the 'friend or foe?' decision upon receipt of a single (!) packet.
967983;1420606371;artifexd;I wasn't imagining so many direct connections.
967984;1420606396;mircea_popescu;artifexd well, dunbar's number as a general rule.
967985;1420606401;artifexd;I had imagined few connections, more routing.
967986;1420606403;mircea_popescu;should fit on consumer box.
967987;1420606410;mircea_popescu;if anyone runs a mega node, his hardware is his problem
967988;1420606474;artifexd;I had imagined #b-a but where everyone is ident'd all the time.  No impersonating anyone else is remotely possible.
967989;1420606492;mircea_popescu;this would fit, if you cared to make it fit
967990;1420606496;mircea_popescu;currently therte's 140 people here.
967991;1420606497;*;asciilifeform also formed this impression.
967992;1420606504;mircea_popescu;so... yes.
967993;1420606523;artifexd;I start up my little process, it makes a connection to one or eight other people and it just works through the magic of maths.
967994;1420606538;mircea_popescu;nah. too easy to attack that graph.
967995;1420606541;asciilifeform;who among those present, other than mircea_popescu, wishes to be impersonateable (deniable) by default ?
967996;1420606548;artifexd;Not I
967997;1420606554;asciilifeform;not 'democratizing', just probing waters
967998;1420606558;mircea_popescu;what's the big deal ?
967999;1420606570;mircea_popescu;i am impersonated all the time, on all sorts of venues.
968000;1420606577;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: and you like it ?
968001;1420606595;mircea_popescu;i have enough experience with it to know it does \exactly nothing.
968002;1420606613;asciilifeform;i, for one, would much prefer to have there be not the slightest chance that a fuckwit claiming to speak as me, but sans my key, can be believed
968003;1420606623;artifexd;I think you're accused of being other people more often than you are impersonated.
968004;1420606629;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform believed is one thing.
968005;1420606644;mircea_popescu;artifexd this is possible lol. but also a large number.
968006;1420606648;artifexd;asciilifeform: That is my desire as well
968007;1420606658;mircea_popescu;it won't be believed (meaningfully).
968008;1420606673;asciilifeform;will be believed by sufficiently many otherwise-clueful folks
968009;1420606677;mircea_popescu;what people who have no clue believe resting squarely outside not of your control, but THIS WORLD.
968010;1420606678;asciilifeform;because signatures are so rare.
968011;1420606692;mircea_popescu;perhaps this is what irks, such a clear statement of that inconvenient (but nevertheless true) fact
968012;1420606706;asciilifeform;if signatures were expected, impersonation would be strictly a preet-stole-key-and-i-didnt-pull-pin-in-time matter.
968013;1420606716;mircea_popescu;like in the case of rg ?
968014;1420606724;artifexd;What is "preet"?
968015;1420606725;mircea_popescu;this is an illusion.
968016;1420606733;asciilifeform;artifexd: an infamous judge where i live
968017;1420606738;asciilifeform;artifexd: 'kangaroo court'
968018;1420606780;asciilifeform;artifexd: he specializes in high-profile show trials. quite like roland freisler (top judge in 3rd reich)
968019;1420606791;mircea_popescu;artifexd the roland freisler of our times, preet bharara. crown's prosecutor for southern ny / rico conspiracy lynchpin.
968020;1420606793;artifexd;ok
968021;1420606819;mircea_popescu;lmao that sounded like a divisive question.
968022;1420606824;scoopbot;New post on Qntra.net by cazalla: http://qntra.net/2015/01/devianttwo-aka-robert-christophers-december-arrest-flies-under-the-radar/
968023;1420606833;mircea_popescu;o.O
968024;1420606857;asciilifeform;ergo he did not play ball.
968025;1420606861;asciilifeform;at some point, somewhere.
968026;1420606870;asciilifeform;so his chain was reeled in.
968027;1420606879;mircea_popescu;i dunno, he was kinda dumb.
968028;1420606887;mircea_popescu;woudn't surprise me if legit pedo.
968029;1420606893;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=09-07-2014#749841
968030;1420606893;assbot;Logged on 09-07-2014 00:04:59; asciilifeform: pierce << ideal example of the animal described on one of mircea_popescu's essays - he could be packed into prison for life, any time, based on what's in his file. so he does as instructed.
968031;1420606903;asciilifeform;not even necessary that he not be 'legit paedo'
968032;1420606909;mircea_popescu;aite.
968033;1420606926;asciilifeform;but parsimonious hypothesis, imho, is that he was a chained, leashed paedo.
968034;1420606969;mircea_popescu;seems to me on the contrary, it's just "random redneck doing various shit online like scams and pedophilia got nicked"
968035;1420607014;*;asciilifeform laboured under an impression that 'actual paedo' is a rather uncommon thing, and hence their over-representation in sc4mz0rd0m is something in need of a logical explanation
968036;1420607043;mircea_popescu;guy had a scamrecord a mile long, and always dumb shit like https://bitcointa.lk/threads/devianttwo-scammer.122455/
968037;1420607044;assbot;Devianttwo SCAMMER | Bitcointa.lk ... ( http://bit.ly/13ZsFuM )
968038;1420607074;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform actual pedo irl yes. among the online scum that makes up a good chunk of the "bitcoin community" on places like forums etc, common enough.
968039;1420607092;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: earlier link concerned my working hypothesis as to why.
968040;1420607112;asciilifeform;(it being, they get 'annointed' by handlers specifically for being thus malleable)
968041;1420607115;mircea_popescu;mebbe.
968042;1420607129;mircea_popescu;doubt it tho, seeing how many they are and how ignominously they labour.
968043;1420607194;asciilifeform;there is the added difficulty of everyone and anyone in usg-dom being 'a paedo' retroactively on the mere request of a preet.
968044;1420607208;asciilifeform;вредители.
968045;1420607650;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: is it merely my puny brain, but i still don't grasp the 'signed-default is bad because preet can steal a key.' if preet gets a hold of my key, he may as well have put a bullet through my hide, stuffed the corpse, and proceeded to live on as it
968046;1420607658;asciilifeform;signed gossipd or not.
968047;1420607666;mircea_popescu;for my curiosity, people who run torrents : how many connections is common ? 10 ? 20 ? 40 ? 80 ? 160 ?
968048;1420607675;asciilifeform;depends on torrent for what.
968049;1420607677;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform not because "preet can steal a key"
968050;1420607699;mircea_popescu;i just meant, generally. i dun care for what, trying to see how this works in practice.
968051;1420607712;artifexd;The torrents that I have run get 15-20 connections
968052;1420607721;asciilifeform;just strikes me as a peculiar retreat from the whole 'let's bring an end to eternal september' thing
968053;1420607732;mircea_popescu;it's exactly that tho!
968054;1420607742;mircea_popescu;it actually puts an end to it.
968055;1420607745;asciilifeform;how?
968056;1420607764;asciilifeform;as it is, you're relying on the next hop node's operator to sign your words.
968057;1420607765;mircea_popescu;suppose you're an average derp. what do you do ?
968058;1420607771;asciilifeform;watch tv until die ?
968059;1420607780;mircea_popescu;problem solved, september ended.
968060;1420607794;mircea_popescu;i meant, what do you do to gossipd obvbiously.
968061;1420607802;asciilifeform;hm
968062;1420607809;artifexd;!s gossipd
968063;1420607809;assbot;0 results for 'gossipd' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=gossipd
968064;1420607817;asciilifeform;cajole a 'l33t3r' friend to give you an 'in', perhaps
968065;1420607817;mircea_popescu;artifexd i ended up referring to your project as that.
968066;1420607828;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform then you piss me off, i frown at your friend, you're out.
968067;1420607829;asciilifeform;what did 'derps' do in 1991 ?
968068;1420607831;mircea_popescu;you made it 3 days.
968069;1420607834;mircea_popescu;now what ?
968070;1420607845;asciilifeform;this is the ideal working of the scenario, yes
968071;1420607864;mircea_popescu;ok, i frown at your friend, he demures, i delink him, you both are out.
968072;1420607867;mircea_popescu;2 derps, 3 days.
968073;1420607873;asciilifeform;in practice, derp can often masquerade as simply an underenthusiastic or overworked 'actual person' for a spell.
968074;1420607880;mircea_popescu;ok...
968075;1420607893;mircea_popescu;in practice derps never manage this, if we're to go by history, but anyway.
968076;1420607905;asciilifeform;just recalling various guests in #b-a, and how long it took each to work his (often her) way out of the alimentary canal
968077;1420607915;mircea_popescu;who, specifically ?
968078;1420607919;*;asciilifeform digs log
968079;1420607931;asciilifeform;saffron
968080;1420607933;asciilifeform;?
968081;1420607943;mircea_popescu;as far as i recall, for as far as my own chatlog is concerned, it took them exactly an hour longer than it took me to decide it's enough.
968082;1420607945;asciilifeform;indian candy
968083;1420607950;mircea_popescu;now, why shouldn't this be the situation to everyone ?
968084;1420607955;mircea_popescu;i wouldn't mind seeing either of those.
968085;1420607956;asciilifeform;merely examples of people who took weeks, rather than days
968086;1420607971;asciilifeform;aha but walked off rather than killfiled
968087;1420607980;mircea_popescu;was thinking more like xmj and his ilk.
968088;1420607987;asciilifeform;aha right
968089;1420607989;asciilifeform;better example
968090;1420608028;asciilifeform;or, what if herr pankkake had made things more difficult by slowly doing... his thing, rather than swapping uniforms in one fell swoop
968091;1420608049;mircea_popescu;i dun see how any of these are serious avenues to attack gossipd.
968092;1420608060;mircea_popescu;literally, all it takes is a one line edit.
968093;1420608120;asciilifeform;not so much 'attacks', but i for one was hoping to see this experiment as a beginning of the 'wot internet'
968094;1420608126;mircea_popescu;so it is.
968095;1420608132;mircea_popescu;imo, quite exactly.
968096;1420608133;asciilifeform;where eventually derps will not be able to send a packet, period.
968097;1420608147;mircea_popescu;but it's EXACTLY what it is!
968098;1420608156;asciilifeform;not if individual quanta aren't signed
968099;1420608170;mircea_popescu;they still need a friend to let them in.
968100;1420608187;asciilifeform;in mircea_popescu's current scheme, they still are signed, i'll point out. but ad-hoc, by the next hop node
968101;1420608191;mircea_popescu;you understand this ? nobody can police a list of 2bn ip addresses.
968102;1420608196;mircea_popescu;anyone can police the 200 people he himself knows.
968103;1420608200;asciilifeform;keys
968104;1420608203;asciilifeform;not people. or ip addresses
968105;1420608206;mircea_popescu;same thing.
968106;1420608219;mircea_popescu;blacklisting doesn't work, and whitelisting should be done locally, and responsibly.
968107;1420608230;*;asciilifeform does not disagree with this at all
968108;1420608244;mircea_popescu;but you disagree with the implementation of ewxactly this ?
968109;1420608314;asciilifeform;just not really grasping why we need the 'deniability' thing.
968110;1420608324;artifexd;nor I
968111;1420608337;asciilifeform;it seems to fly in the face of better-living-through-crypto
968112;1420608372;mircea_popescu;it's odd because to me it seems exactly opposite.
968113;1420608401;mircea_popescu;as in, why add clunk that actually harms and hinders, except to perpetuate what we generally agree is a harmful meme.
968114;1420608436;asciilifeform;how is message-is-standalong-quantum-that-traverses-the-net-on-its-authors-signatures-merits added clunk ?
968115;1420608444;mircea_popescu;excactly like that.
968116;1420608445;asciilifeform;*standalone
968117;1420608457;artifexd;Other than some extra bytes, how is it clunk?  How does it harm or hinder?
968118;1420608466;mircea_popescu;ok, let me try and make the whole story.
968119;1420608512;mircea_popescu;currently : 1. friend to friend relations are entirely cryptographically secured. 2. unknown-to-unknown relations are not secured, and must proceed through a friend of either party to even happen.
968120;1420608527;mircea_popescu;what you propose : 1. friend to friend and unknown to unknown relations are the same thing.
968121;1420608545;*;asciilifeform is at a loss to see how this follows
968122;1420608553;artifexd;Uh... no.
968123;1420608572;mircea_popescu;this harms because : it gives unknowns a weight they should not have ; it removes the incentive for users to police at their local level ; it allows third parties to construct undeniable chatlogs that they had no business in.
968124;1420608579;mircea_popescu;anmd there's plenty more, but srsly... how much is needed.
968125;1420608637;asciilifeform;incidentally, in no holy book is it written that a pubkey is readily pinnable on a particular creature walking this earth
968126;1420608648;mircea_popescu;so ?
968127;1420608654;asciilifeform;one can have 'anonymity' or 'deniability' or whatnot, as commonly imagined, at the same time as signed-everything
968128;1420608658;mircea_popescu;and when you say no what do you mean no.
968129;1420608667;artifexd;It doesn't give weight to unknowns. It gives continuity do unknowns should they desire it.
968130;1420608667;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform not naturally.
968131;1420608673;mircea_popescu;artifexd that is weight.
968132;1420608690;mircea_popescu;the existence of unknowns should be entirely at the mercy of the knowns. no exceptions and no way out.
968133;1420608709;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: by what mechanism do 'unknowns' transmogrify into 'knowns' in your cosmography ?
968134;1420608718;mircea_popescu;by whatever mechanism anyone chooses to use.
968135;1420608722;mircea_popescu;THEY have no power,
968136;1420608729;mircea_popescu;which is to say no obligatory mechanism exists.
968137;1420608732;artifexd;No. It is continuity. I assign weight to what they say by my judgement.  They assign continuity to what they say by signing it.
968138;1420608751;mircea_popescu;artifexd it is not up to them. it is up to you.
968139;1420608758;mircea_popescu;the moment you add them to your list, they have continuity.
968140;1420608762;mircea_popescu;before that , they are ephemereal.
968141;1420608764;mircea_popescu;not their option. yours.
968142;1420608772;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: at present time, an 'unknown' can generate a pgp key and carry on 'continuity' with it over whatever channel. we can't exactly prevent it
968143;1420608772;mircea_popescu;because we don't work for the group here. we work for the individual.
968144;1420608776;asciilifeform;nor have any good reason to try
968145;1420608780;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform this is a problem
968146;1420608780;artifexd;it allows third parties to construct undeniable chatlogs << while true, I don't see the issue with it
968147;1420608785;mircea_popescu;it is not an advantage.
968148;1420608796;asciilifeform;and here is where i'm puzzled
968149;1420608799;asciilifeform;how not advantage
968150;1420608811;mircea_popescu;artifexd i do. it's the equivalent of making a weirdo reality where anyone who eavesdrops also has a recording device.
968151;1420608828;mircea_popescu;none of their fuckinbg business. if they weren't invited to participate they can not RELY on the discussion.
968152;1420608835;mircea_popescu;not to the detriment o the participants, in any case.
968153;1420608851;asciilifeform;but, carrying on with the analogy, recording machines exist.
968154;1420608867;asciilifeform;this is like a late-medieval knight wishing that cannon had not existed.
968155;1420608872;asciilifeform;fact is, they do
968156;1420608873;mircea_popescu;no. making it not exist.
968157;1420608880;mircea_popescu;fact is, they only do if you wish to implement them. i do not.
968158;1420608898;mircea_popescu;i don't see much has improved since the recording machine era. do you ?
968159;1420608914;asciilifeform;if specifically aiming for anonymity, deniability, one ends up designing a widget akin to 'tor'
968160;1420608921;asciilifeform;is this the intended shape ?
968161;1420608939;mircea_popescu;this specifically aims for reconstructing sane chat, online.
968162;1420608946;asciilifeform;i won't argue that a working 'tor' would not have its uses, but it is a very different animal from an 'adult' rebirth of internet circa 1989
968163;1420608952;mircea_popescu;rather than some conveniently diddled , horrible implementation designed for the needs of the nsa
968164;1420608956;mircea_popescu;(more generally, of the state)
968165;1420608991;*;asciilifeform sees the genuine dilemma here. but sees it as a dilemma, not an open-and-shut case in favour of soft-anonymity
968166;1420609008;mircea_popescu;do tell.
968167;1420609011;mircea_popescu;i dun see any sort of dilemma.
968168;1420609073;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu does not like the notion of nsa goon having a non-deniable tape of anything he catches. (i don't much, either...) asciilifeform does not like that it is generally customary to speak unsigned, and thereby nsa goon can put words into his mouth, and a certain number of people will believe them
968169;1420609093;mircea_popescu;what the clueless "believe" can not ever be your concern.
968170;1420609104;mircea_popescu;it is folly to even consider this point. focus on what is within your control.
968171;1420609105;asciilifeform;it is when they lead me to the electric chair
968172;1420609109;mircea_popescu;not even then.
968173;1420609125;mircea_popescu;a screening of "a man for all seasons" is in order here.
968174;1420609145;asciilifeform;until the magic dawn when the last idiot is strangled with the guts of the last scammer, there will be ones who believe the crap.
968175;1420609145;mircea_popescu;quite exceptional walk through the very points involved.
968176;1420609156;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform that is neither here nor there.
968177;1420609185;mircea_popescu;fundamentally your argument reduces to a deep seated "all peoples matter"
968178;1420609191;asciilifeform;how ?
968179;1420609195;mircea_popescu;to the tune of monty pytrhon's every sperm is sacred. no, they do not.
968180;1420609201;asciilifeform;this inference is perplexing. i don't see how it follows.
968181;1420609211;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform because whythe fuck do you care what some people you doin't know say on any topic ?
968182;1420609221;asciilifeform;how does a bomzh, stinking in the street, who happens to have generated a pgp key, 'matter' ?
968183;1420609252;mircea_popescu;well since you're concerned with what he might say or believe, it seems he does.
968184;1420609286;asciilifeform;i'm concerned only in the particular corner case that he is actually my friend, who has been reduced to that condition by malefactors, but still remains in possession of his key.
968185;1420609297;mircea_popescu;i do not care what "buts" and "ifs" you add.
968186;1420609301;mircea_popescu;what remains is... you are concerned.
968187;1420609327;asciilifeform;i'd say 'generic bum' and 'mircea stripped of his clothing and cast adrift in shanghai' are different scenario, no ?
968188;1420609342;mircea_popescu;so how is this germane ?
968189;1420609350;mircea_popescu;obviously, if we're connected, you know my key.
968190;1420609359;mircea_popescu;at issue is your proposal to make this a reality for people you don't know.
968191;1420609384;asciilifeform;nope. i fully understand that the latter is neither possible nor desirable
968192;1420609396;mircea_popescu;so then what is the dilemma ?
968193;1420609409;asciilifeform;'who signs'
968194;1420609411;mircea_popescu;you know my key, you directly verify my client is signing correctly, what is keft ?
968195;1420609416;mircea_popescu;left*
968196;1420609455;asciilifeform;in the scheme as presently described, your client is also signing (for the record of the hypothetical nsa goon, among others) a fairly arbitrary set of messages.
968197;1420609470;mircea_popescu;it is not signing them, no.
968198;1420609474;mircea_popescu;it is merely passing them along.
968199;1420609488;asciilifeform;it signs the session whereby they are given right to travel the net
968200;1420609489;mircea_popescu;"this is what i heard"
968201;1420609493;asciilifeform;well, yes
968202;1420609504;mircea_popescu;that, it does. but it makes no representation they are from me.
968203;1420609515;mircea_popescu;in fact, it speciically says they are not.
968204;1420609522;asciilifeform;and what is the intended mechanism for propagating a message which -does- make this claim ?
968205;1420609532;asciilifeform;laborious external signature, as at present time ?
968206;1420609537;mircea_popescu;for instance.
968207;1420609548;mircea_popescu;or, if you prefer, elevating the source to the rank of a connect.
968208;1420609554;mircea_popescu;thereby doing it all automatically.
968209;1420609568;asciilifeform;please briefly describe 'rank of connect'
968210;1420609580;mircea_popescu;the same relation as between you and me, in the scenario.
968211;1420609586;mircea_popescu;you have his key in the initfile, and so on.
968212;1420609672;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: the tidbit that escapes me is how you came upon the idea that default-signed would empower, rather than lower into pederasty, the 'anonymous derp'
968213;1420609688;mircea_popescu;well that's the clou of the entire thing now innit.
968214;1420609696;asciilifeform;aha
968215;1420609715;asciilifeform;if i can grasp this, perhaps it will all make sense to my head.
968216;1420609727;mircea_popescu;i think i explained it half a dozen different ways, to exhaustion, but am at a loss as to why what seems obvious is not communicating itself.
968217;1420609743;mircea_popescu;let's go the other way. why do you think it would so lower them ?
968218;1420609751;asciilifeform;did i misunderstand, or did you say earlier that it would be a good thing if the street bomzh could not use pgp ?
968219;1420609761;asciilifeform;(and gain continuity thereby)
968220;1420609763;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3700 @ 0.00061581 = 2.2785 BTC [-]
968221;1420609767;mircea_popescu;ok, let's work a different way. let us compare two scenarios.
968222;1420609807;mircea_popescu;in both cases, we are discussing user Panopticon, who sees all and says nothing. now, in spec as is, it is true that user P will know... nothing. correct ? whereas in your proposed spec, he would know... everything. correct ?
968223;1420609815;mircea_popescu;how is giving the bum EVERYTHING lowering him in any sense ?
968224;1420609824;asciilifeform;everything ?
968225;1420609826;mircea_popescu;and whence and wherefore should he have anything but nothing ?
968226;1420609838;mircea_popescu;well yes. all the signed chats of everyone = everything. absolutely as 1 = 1.
968227;1420609858;asciilifeform;if he truly knows 'everything', he can unmask the 'deniable' speakers likewise.
968228;1420609858;artifexd;I guess I like the default sign because I see myself as Panopticon.  I don't talk much. But I watch and listen.  Default-sign helps me.
968229;1420609862;asciilifeform;no need for signatures.
968230;1420609888;mircea_popescu;artifexd you might discover it hurts you, much like the low level usg employee who thinks the fed helps him would soon discover his lot would be better without that bit.
968231;1420609901;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform how ?
968232;1420609932;asciilifeform;if he truly knows 'everything' he can elementarily determine which earthly carcass crapped out which words.
968233;1420609937;mircea_popescu;not so.
968234;1420609947;mircea_popescu;for all he knows, they're all in cahoots, sending him lulz.
968235;1420609951;mircea_popescu;he can not determine this.
968236;1420609956;asciilifeform;presumably some earthly not-quite-everything was meant, rather than a 'divine' Everything
968237;1420609970;mircea_popescu;everything in the network duh.
968238;1420609990;asciilifeform;then mircea_popescu is correct
968239;1420610004;asciilifeform;hitler does know considerably more under the all-signed scenario than alternative.
968240;1420610020;mircea_popescu;more importantly, hitler IS a lot more in that than he would be in this.
968241;1420610027;asciilifeform;but if we actually want to go in that direction, the logical result is a gadget like 'tor', with bounces, mixes, etc.
968242;1420610034;asciilifeform;rather than lukewarm step in that direction, no?
968243;1420610043;mircea_popescu;this is paid for, somewhere, by someone. who is paying but me ? even if i can't show where it leeches me, it does. why should i ?
968244;1420610053;mircea_popescu;there's nothing lukewarm about this.
968245;1420610061;mircea_popescu;it is, unlike the tor etc bs, actually efficient.
968246;1420610133;asciilifeform;just seems like an attempt to build a stove-refrigerator hybrid. yes, can be done, yes, in some sense these are complementary machines. but - challenge.
968247;1420610142;mircea_popescu;nothing of the kind.
968248;1420610154;asciilifeform;(combination of 'tor'-like apparatus with 'wot', in particular)
968249;1420610166;mircea_popescu;the tor bs is an attempt to "fix" in implementation problems to whose existence it not merely contributes, but moore! whose existence it actually postulates.
968250;1420610182;mircea_popescu;it is fundamentally broken and will never work exactly because it simply presumes the adversary wins.
968251;1420610190;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5070 @ 0.00062134 = 3.1502 BTC [+]
968252;1420610196;asciilifeform;speaking of the 'platonic' tor, rather than the cthonian horror of the actual proggy
968253;1420610199;mircea_popescu;wheras as proposed, gossipd makes the enemy outright impossible.
968254;1420610205;mircea_popescu;not even deliberately, just, as a side effect.
968255;1420610211;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform even the platonic.
968256;1420610218;mircea_popescu;structure it and i'll show you how it assumes it.
968257;1420610246;asciilifeform;well, 'platonic tor' is simply that a large number of people agree to 'play non-broken telephone' between me and a destination.
968258;1420610260;asciilifeform;thereby obscuring the existence of the conversation, within certain limits.
968259;1420610268;mircea_popescu;a destination you know nothing about.
968260;1420610281;asciilifeform;a destination you may or may not know something about out-of-band
968261;1420610294;mircea_popescu;so the fundamental statement is "the group is more important than the individual"
968262;1420610300;mircea_popescu;and you wish to know why it is broken by design ?
968263;1420610301;mircea_popescu;that's why.
968264;1420610306;mircea_popescu;once that's in there, of course fucking nsa.
968265;1420610307;asciilifeform;(e.g., i may know that it is a machine at ip p.q.r.s with rsa pubkey K)
968266;1420610339;asciilifeform;well yes. nsa comes inevitably in because you are trusting three strangers whom you know nothing about, to form the circuit.
968267;1420610347;mircea_popescu;derp.
968268;1420610360;mircea_popescu;now apply the same analysis to gossipd.
968269;1420610395;asciilifeform;gossipd proposes a scheme more akin to the traditional 'cell' organizations of revolutions, etc
968270;1420610410;asciilifeform;(i dare suggest that a node be referred to as 'cell', for extra lulz)
968271;1420610411;mircea_popescu;quite.
968272;1420610423;mircea_popescu;historically, the closer a relation, the more direct.
968273;1420610427;asciilifeform;aha
968274;1420610429;mircea_popescu;this is not some sort of random contrivance of boredom.
968275;1420610443;asciilifeform;it is the inevitable construction that stands.
968276;1420610449;mircea_popescu;this is specifically because, historically, the individual is more important than the group
968277;1420610449;asciilifeform;like bridge truss.
968278;1420610454;asciilifeform;(triangles)
968279;1420610465;mircea_popescu;which is how humanity managed to inch its way to this sad time when it's about to kill itself a thousand different ways
968280;1420610471;mircea_popescu;all born the same stupid place.
968281;1420610543;asciilifeform;which, in this context, place ?
968282;1420610556;mircea_popescu;"group is more important than individual"
968283;1420610558;mircea_popescu;a mental place.
968284;1420610563;asciilifeform;ah that.
968285;1420610572;mircea_popescu;myeah
968286;1420610599;mircea_popescu;i must say, incidentally, i thoroughly enjoyed this discussion.
968287;1420610604;mircea_popescu;heck, haven't felt so alive in weeks.
968288;1420610608;asciilifeform;srsly ?
968289;1420610616;mircea_popescu;yes.
968290;1420610620;*;asciilifeform pictured mircea_popescu breaking keyboards, etc
968291;1420610636;artifexd;"How many times do I have to explain this shit!"
968292;1420610637;mircea_popescu;so did the pets peeking in online. but no.
968293;1420610688;artifexd;This pretty much prevents one-way relationships, right?
968294;1420610708;artifexd;If you and I are online, unless we are both in each other's list, we will never direct-connect.
968295;1420610715;mircea_popescu;this part is finnicky. it shouldn't, ideally, but i don't see how it could be done.
968296;1420610742;artifexd;We have to both agree to trust each other.
968297;1420610756;mircea_popescu;right.
968298;1420610772;mircea_popescu;more importantly, connections on the internet don't work unilaterally.
968299;1420610779;mircea_popescu;so im guessing this is going to be forced by the medium.
968300;1420610789;artifexd;They do via UDP
968301;1420610791;mircea_popescu;if we were onm a purely broadcast network, it'd work right
968302;1420610793;mircea_popescu;myeah.
968303;1420610797;mircea_popescu;but udp is hard.
968304;1420610877;artifexd;No argument
968305;1420610906;mircea_popescu;im not entirely sure it is actually to any purpose important.
968306;1420610911;asciilifeform;udp is trivial!
968307;1420610913;asciilifeform;damnit.
968308;1420610916;asciilifeform;tcp is hard.
968309;1420610927;mircea_popescu;tcp is hard to employ usefully.
968310;1420610934;artifexd;upd is trivial for sending information if you don't care if they received it
968311;1420610950;artifexd;If you want a back and forth connection, you end up duplicating tcp yourself.
968312;1420610964;asciilifeform;artifexd: for sufficiently simple quanta, it is very easy to 'verify received' without duplicating all the cruft of tcp.
968313;1420610966;mircea_popescu;artifexd you will notice the spec is broadcast-oriented.
968314;1420610979;mircea_popescu;you don't really need to hear anything back from anyone.
968315;1420611010;*;asciilifeform believes the future to hold many one-way links
968316;1420611025;asciilifeform;shortwave radio, castaway bottles, obelisks.
968317;1420611058;mircea_popescu;artifexd nevertheless, since output is always encrypted to a key,
968318;1420611081;mircea_popescu;unilateral relations are really hard.
968319;1420611110;mircea_popescu;(i mean, as opposed to soft. it's not like twitter, follow X. it's the opposite, "send to X")
968320;1420611252;decimation;it occurs to me that one ought not design low level features into a communication system unless absolutely necessary
968321;1420611290;mircea_popescu;this about which bit ?
968322;1420611306;asciilifeform;decimation: that particular point of contention was about a kind of thing not readily retrofitted.
968323;1420611318;asciilifeform;it is a grave misconception that 'anything can be retrofitted.'
968324;1420611328;asciilifeform;if it were so, existing net protocols would suffice...
968325;1420611353;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform explain transsexuals then.
968326;1420611366;asciilifeform;decimation: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=07-01-2015#967274
968327;1420611366;assbot;Logged on 07-01-2015 01:22:05; asciilifeform: with udp, you can make the 'friend or foe?' decision upon receipt of a single (!) packet.
968328;1420611370;asciilifeform;transsexuals ?
968329;1420611385;mircea_popescu;they get gender bits retrofitted. it's a joke.
968330;1420611389;asciilifeform;lol
968331;1420611393;asciilifeform;actually very pertitent
968332;1420611406;asciilifeform;good example of clumsy and very threadbare attempt at 'retrofit'
968333;1420611407;mircea_popescu;and impertinent at the same time!
968334;1420611414;asciilifeform;l0l
968335;1420611441;mircea_popescu;i might be especially thick, but i don't actually understand what decimation is saying.
968336;1420611446;mircea_popescu;which is the low level function ?
968337;1420611470;decimation;this was from a paper that was written by folks who designed early 80's network protocols
968338;1420611532;decimation;http://web.mit.edu/saltzer/www/publications/endtoend/endtoend.txt
968339;1420611534;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1ADtgPX )
968340;1420611535;*;asciilifeform happens to be a crackpot specializing in the subject of 'abstractions being interchangeably paperable over is a mega-lie, foundations matter forever'
968341;1420611568;asciilifeform;you will -never- get single-packet friend-or-foe with tcp or tcp-like apparatus.
968342;1420611595;asciilifeform;(nor an immediate transposability to shortwave/message-in-bottle)
968343;1420611610;decimation;I don't see why one couldn't route ircd on top of ascii's udp-wot-internet
968344;1420611642;decimation;(the new ircd being proposed here)
968345;1420611651;mircea_popescu;ah ah that's what you mean.
968346;1420611656;mircea_popescu;yes, once that happens, they could.
968347;1420611660;mircea_popescu;not before tho.
968348;1420611739;mircea_popescu;decimation did you actually read the whole discussion ?
968349;1420611741;*;asciilifeform is about to sleep, and recommends to friends also about to sleep, to read 'petrified world.'
968350;1420611745;asciilifeform;good story before sleep.
968351;1420611751;adlai;what's this?
968352;1420611757;asciilifeform;http://pastebin.com/w5VYjyBu
968353;1420611758;assbot;THE PETRIFIED WORLD (Robert Sheckley) - Pastebin.com ... ( http://bit.ly/1IomhL9 )
968354;1420611771;asciilifeform;(quite pertinent to this evening's thread)
968355;1420611777;mircea_popescu;are you 12 ?
968356;1420611781;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform i think i read this.
968357;1420611790;asciilifeform;aha srsly ?
968358;1420611792;decimation;I did.  I find myself liking ascii's hardened bedrock
968359;1420611823;asciilifeform;hypothetical, sadly, bedrock
968360;1420611824;mircea_popescu;decimation how was the experience ?
968361;1420611832;*;asciilifeform does not have a battlefield-ready apparatus to offer
968362;1420611845;decimation;it was a good discussion, I also found it stimulating
968363;1420611872;decimation;but I do see the problem of broadcasting signed messages everywhere
968364;1420611891;mircea_popescu;cool.
968365;1420611904;asciilifeform;!s six words honest man
968366;1420611905;assbot;0 results for 'six words honest man' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=six+words+honest+man
968367;1420611908;asciilifeform;damn.
968368;1420611953;asciilifeform;'If you give me six lines written by the hand of the most honest of men, I will find something in them which will hang him.' (richilieu)
968369;1420612003;adlai;is this udp-over-wot concept "too long to fit in the margin", or have you sketched something about about it somewhere?
968370;1420612011;mircea_popescu;yes, well, this is more a function of louis than anything.
968371;1420612037;asciilifeform;adlai: described it at some length in #b-a at various points in the past month; also in a few comments on mircea_popescu's site.
968372;1420612057;adlai;!s udp wot from:ascii
968373;1420612058;assbot;0 results for 'udp wot from:ascii' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=udp+wot+from%3Aascii
968374;1420612062;decimation;the interent, as exists, is like tor - in the sense that the group is trying to solve the individual's problem
968375;1420612063;adlai;!s udp from:ascii
968376;1420612064;assbot;0 results for 'udp from:ascii' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=udp+from%3Aascii
968377;1420612069;asciilifeform;adlai: must note that it is originally entirely unrelated to mircea_popescu and artifexd's project
968378;1420612079;decimation;the only real method of escape is layer 1 routing
968379;1420612088;asciilifeform;!s udp
968380;1420612088;assbot;22 results for 'udp' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=udp
968381;1420612090;asciilifeform;enjoy
968382;1420612109;mircea_popescu;!s udp from:asciilifeform
968383;1420612110;assbot;12 results for 'udp from:asciilifeform' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=udp+from%3Aasciilifeform
968384;1420612111;adlai;sure, this "ircd" thingy is just the latest in an uncoordinated herd of attempts to attack this same general problem
968385;1420612158;asciilifeform;adlai: the way i understand it, we have at least three people right here who came up with very similar - but different in important respects - attempted solutions.
968386;1420612211;*;adlai . o ( one could say that mpex simulates udp on top of tcp )
968387;1420612222;mircea_popescu;one could say that, and be uncharitable.
968388;1420612237;adlai;not enough "quantum"?
968389;1420612241;mircea_popescu;lol
968390;1420612256;asciilifeform;mpex was not the inspiration for my version of the concept, but was the impetus for my coming to believe that it is buildable and worth confessing to people about
968391;1420612266;adlai;how so?
968392;1420612302;asciilifeform;proving the point that stateless, medium-agnostic 'connectionless' comms are the only solid way to go.
968393;1420612315;adlai;I guess it's an example of something which could work equally well over udp, and just happens to use tcp for convenience
968394;1420612354;asciilifeform;i imagine mpex as consisting of three gurlz, in a box, in shifts, and a console.
968395;1420612362;mircea_popescu;no, that;'s bitbet.
968396;1420612363;asciilifeform;console can be connected to tcp or to radio set on valves
968397;1420612367;asciilifeform;or pigeon cage.
968398;1420612390;mircea_popescu;the kittens eat pigeons, so... no 1149
968399;1420612404;asciilifeform;mark twain's cat'n'rat system, lol
968400;1420612490;adlai;what about mpex needs tcp?
968401;1420612504;adlai;I guess serving up data
968402;1420612516;*;adlai is thinking too much like his code
968403;1420612644;decimation;asciilifeform: medium could also be morse code, slowed down by a factor of 100, in order to achieve redundancy and low bandwidth http://www.w0ch.net/qrss/qrss.htm
968404;1420612645;assbot;QRSS - Very Slow CW ... ( http://bit.ly/1Iopcn8 )
968405;1420612680;asciilifeform;decimation: i'd classify all 'one way radio' as a single category for purpose of the discussion re: algorithmic basics.
968406;1420612711;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform afaik no "two way" exists
968407;1420612718;mircea_popescu;not anymore than true love,anyway.
968408;1420612729;decimation;yes, except physics categorizes these things naturally, in terms of propagation
968409;1420612730;asciilifeform;'one way' in the customary (numbers-station-to-spies) sense
968410;1420612738;mircea_popescu;aha.
968411;1420612754;mircea_popescu;just saying, kind of an engineering convention. no point in seeing too much metaphysics behind it
968412;1420612755;asciilifeform;'two way' would refer to, e.g., a microwave horn link between two montain top fortresses
968413;1420612774;asciilifeform;that is, can pass back-n-forth in something resembling 'real time'
968414;1420612808;decimation;if a receiver is capable of swallowing large power without desensitization, one can listen while one transmits arbitrarily
968415;1420612833;asciilifeform;in one particular physical system ('passive rfid') one arguably has genuine 'back and forth'
968416;1420612921;asciilifeform;in the sense of the signal in one direction being a modified, phase-shifted version of the continuous signal in the other.
968417;1420612932;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform the price for this, of course, is immutability :)
968418;1420612976;decimation;asciilifeform: like the 'soviet embassy bug': http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Thing_(listening_device)
968419;1420612977;assbot;The Thing (listening device) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ... ( http://bit.ly/1ADxuqQ )
968420;1420612985;asciilifeform;decimation: the original 'rfid', yes
968421;1420613009;asciilifeform;!s theremin
968422;1420613010;assbot;7 results for 'theremin' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=theremin
968423;1420613157;decimation;lol theremin was a zek when he 'invented' it
968424;1420613321;*;asciilifeform thought that this was well-known
968425;1420613480;decimation;ascii you could go visit it in person apparently
968426;1420613486;decimation;'the thing' I mean
968427;1420613503;asciilifeform;it is kept in a museum, yes.
968428;1420613511;asciilifeform;or at least a good copy.
968429;1420613525;asciilifeform;there are some historical documents that suggest the original was destroyed by clumsy inspectors.
968430;1420613675;asciilifeform;a somewhat younger, livelier usg had a multitude of copies produced, and used in utmost secrecy, almost immediately after the find.
968431;1420613715;asciilifeform;one must appreciate the kind of technological leap it was, in that period
968432;1420613752;asciilifeform;at that time, a typical 'bug' was not a small 'pill', easily concealed, transmitting (or recording) audio for weeks or months - the way one thinks of them now
968433;1420613772;asciilifeform;rather, it was a microphone, often at least as large as, say, a thimble, and a very long wire
968434;1420613812;asciilifeform;connecting it to either a tape recorder (no smaller, even in the most 'golden toilet' variant, than an auto pistol) - or to an actual set of headphones on a head.
968435;1420613847;asciilifeform;theremin's 'bug' was, from this point of view, sheerly 'martian' technology.
968436;1420613852;decimation;yeh it is a clever idea
968437;1420613928;asciilifeform;in my 'death notebook' there is a design for a purely-chemical 'bug'.
968438;1420613936;asciilifeform;perhaps when i am hanged, it will be manufactured somewhere.
968439;1420614024;asciilifeform;('chemical' in the sense of having no appreciable electrical currents flowing, nor conductors, except in a residual, ionic sense, nor semiconductors, inside.)
968440;1420614116;asciilifeform;retrieve, develop (as in photograph), extract audio with simple analogue computer.
968441;1420614131;asciilifeform;point of fact, i think i may have said quite enough just now, such that one may construct it.
968442;1420614140;asciilifeform;good exercise 'for alert reader.'
968443;1420614170;decimation;asciilifeform: a moving 'polarid' under a modulated light would do it
968444;1420614175;decimation;but that would have a current
968445;1420614195;asciilifeform;moving parts (except in the bare minimum of diaphragm) are a no-no.
968446;1420614228;ben_vulpes;ah that's rich
968447;1420614245;asciilifeform;but it is not especially hard to set up a chemical reaction that acts as a travelling 'record needle.'
968448;1420614246;Naphex;thanks o/
968449;1420614254;ben_vulpes;no wavefronts are a thing
968450;1420614262;ben_vulpes;f'n bril, asciilifeform.
968451;1420614266;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes gets it
968452;1420614268;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform weren;t you going to bed ?
968453;1420614285;asciilifeform;was. probably will soon enough
968454;1420614289;asciilifeform;sent woman to bed already
968455;1420614300;ben_vulpes;matter of fact listening to you and mircea_popescu and artifexed go on has been educational and illuminating in any number of ways
968456;1420614300;mircea_popescu;haha you know the rickjles joke ?
968457;1420614302;ben_vulpes;much obliged
968458;1420614317;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes o you had fun ?
968459;1420614321;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: glad you took some interest in it. take the time later to write some comments?
968460;1420614328;asciilifeform;rickjles ?
968461;1420614352;mircea_popescu;"we were going to make it, so i told the wife, go ahead and get started, i'ma grab a paper"
968462;1420614385;mircea_popescu;perhaps too ny jewish joke.
968463;1420614461;ben_vulpes;<mircea_popescu> "fun" << myeah something like fun
968464;1420614476;ben_vulpes;<asciilifeform> i like 'unscannable for', not because of any derping re: 'anonymity', but from sheer delight in the morale hit to enemy << this one in particular
968465;1420615218;ben_vulpes;<mircea_popescu> [] and if i am in your list and you in mine the same is preserved by gossipd. << means that if you want everything you say on the record, operate a server for your identity.
968466;1420615251;ben_vulpes;how to preserve the serenissima log semantics though? if all "chat lines" are wholly deniable, the notion of a public forum in which to do business publically falls apart.
968467;1420615316;ben_vulpes;!up asciilifeform
968468;1420615329;ben_vulpes;it only works for us, and sort of right now (?!?!?) because once upon a time assbot relied on the "authedness" of users via the "gribble" service.
968469;1420615332;ben_vulpes;;;ident
968470;1420615501;ben_vulpes;<asciilifeform> [] that is an ad-hoc, bug-ridden reimplementation of the blockchain! << yeah but only half
968471;1420615582;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes how does it fall apart ?
968472;1420615600;ben_vulpes;how does it maintain any sort of relevance, if it can be polluted by...
968473;1420615611;ben_vulpes;ah i guess the log only makes sense as maintained by someone in a wot
968474;1420615612;mircea_popescu;by ?
968475;1420615630;mircea_popescu;take the eutherium short as a good working example.
968476;1420615643;mircea_popescu;this identity, which may be me unless i deny it, proposes he will sign a contract so and so.
968477;1420615643;ben_vulpes;by anyone who cares to transmit with a bogus "from"
968478;1420615646;mircea_popescu;you agree to the terms.
968479;1420615652;mircea_popescu;the contract is forthwith produced.
968480;1420615655;mircea_popescu;now it's unrepudiable.
968481;1420615671;mircea_popescu;no contract appears. well... now you cantell whoever you see me through that wtf is this bs.
968482;1420615678;mircea_popescu;seems perfect.
968483;1420615696;ben_vulpes;i was commenting at the point in the discusison at which messages were unsigned. did messages become signed?
968484;1420615700;mircea_popescu;it is also EXACTLY how it worked,
968485;1420615709;mircea_popescu;except once the few derps flaked, i had nobody to complain to.
968486;1420615728;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes no but recall the thing itself i refer to. a pastebin contract was in fact proferred.
968487;1420615737;ben_vulpes;sure
968488;1420615742;mircea_popescu;that.
968489;1420615777;ben_vulpes;forgive the dunce cap hanging over my eyes, but i'm entirely failing to see how this makes for an unrepudiable log of the forum.
968490;1420615786;mircea_popescu;it does not.
968491;1420615797;mircea_popescu;it only makes for an unrepudiable log of what matters.
968492;1420615823;ben_vulpes;"what matters" << to a keyset though, not "to everyone"
968493;1420615833;mircea_popescu;because "everyone" does not matter.
968494;1420615839;mircea_popescu;no more overhanging mega-group.
968495;1420615842;mircea_popescu;people. just and only.
968496;1420615863;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21100 @ 0.00061581 = 12.9936 BTC [-]
968497;1420615865;ben_vulpes;not a record of all strings sent to "#b-a", but a record of all strings sent to "#b-a" as seen by the lN of "assbot".
968498;1420615885;mircea_popescu;that exists, for each item in l(N).
968499;1420615892;mircea_popescu;and for them only.
968500;1420615905;*;mircea_popescu finds it funny how the same one stump trips erryone.
968501;1420615934;ben_vulpes;it's because we're all distracted by the hyperattractor 30d above the horizon and 15 deg port!
968502;1420615946;mircea_popescu;wait wut
968503;1420615964;ben_vulpes;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vcjB2qN0TxM << hyperattractor
968504;1420615966;assbot;Cat Chasing Laser Pointer - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1BxPpPS )
968505;1420615998;ben_vulpes;bad joke; disregard
968506;1420616077;ben_vulpes;<asciilifeform> [] probably quite a few folks. but the thing that distinguishes fermat from wot is that wot needs to be at least quasi-'hot' to really work as intended, imho. << strikes me that a series of "rating" messages should be parsed to build a rating history.
968507;1420616202;ben_vulpes;<asciilifeform> [] i won't argue that wot moves ought to be retained for all eternity; but will say that some automatic caching is necessary << wotchains, perchance?
968508;1420616295;BingoBoingo;* mircea_popescu finds it funny how the same one stump trips erryone. << Had to watchh for a while, but it clicked all at once
968509;1420616314;mircea_popescu;wots are trivially doublespent. as part of normal functioning.
968510;1420616351;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo o it did ? makes sens enow as a whole ?
968511;1420616431;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: Yeah. the skeleton in the RFC wasn't as revealing as the conversation was. gossipd putting the emphasis on Relay in IRC
968512;1420616533;mircea_popescu;maybe you should write a restatement ? curious how it'd read.
968513;1420616657;BingoBoingo;Needs more time to coalesce on brain. Might be on the order tomorrow.
968514;1420616709;scoopbot;New post on Trilema by Mircea Popescu: http://trilema.com/2015/fderp-december-2014-statement/
968515;1420616728;mircea_popescu;no rush really.
968516;1420617055;BingoBoingo;The challenge is the edge cases in the discussion really make the thing click.
968517;1420617197;mircea_popescu;anyway, on contemplation i actually see this as my finest work to date.
968518;1420617199;mircea_popescu;in any field.
968519;1420617230;mircea_popescu;this is the only kind of youth one could possibly wish for themselves.
968520;1420617386;BingoBoingo;And it's the kind of youth one has to be older than 30 to experience.
968521;1420617630;mircea_popescu;i had the feeling when i was 16 :D
968522;1420617754;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15350 @ 0.00062031 = 9.5218 BTC [+] {2} 
968523;1420617815;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14114 @ 0.00062638 = 8.8407 BTC [+]
968524;1420617847;BingoBoingo;!up Vexual
968525;1420617937;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16874 @ 0.00062849 = 10.6051 BTC [+] {2} 
968526;1420618124;Vexual;y'all are fixing irc? better close that copper shoert.
968527;1420618292;Vexual;what does rfc mean?
968528;1420618385;Vexual;oh
968529;1420618450;mircea_popescu;http://trilema.com/2010/nsfw-ingaduiti-mi-sa-va-impartasesc/
968530;1420618450;assbot;NSFW - Ingaduiti-mi sa va impartasesc pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.  ... ( http://bit.ly/14u5t9g )
968531;1420618472;Vexual;nice
968532;1420618583;mircea_popescu;that belt type, by the way, with themetal rounds ?
968533;1420618588;mircea_popescu;absolute best type for belting butts.
968534;1420619523;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18450 @ 0.00063015 = 11.6263 BTC [+]
968535;1420620213;fluffypony;http://www.smbc-comics.com/comics/20150103.png
968536;1420620215;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1DwA6q8 )
968537;1420620561;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14400 @ 0.00062239 = 8.9624 BTC [-]
968538;1420621719;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13388 @ 0.00063097 = 8.4474 BTC [+] {2} 
968539;1420622144;cazalla;holy fucking logs
968540;1420622207;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6098 @ 0.00064548 = 3.9361 BTC [+]
968541;1420623184;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 48100 @ 0.00064567 = 31.0567 BTC [+] {2} 
968542;1420623732;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1609 @ 0.00064648 = 1.0402 BTC [+]
968543;1420625852;fluffypony;shock and horror
968544;1420625853;fluffypony;http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/2rkevr/cointerra_is_in_default/
968545;1420625854;assbot;CoinTerra is in default : Bitcoin ... ( http://bit.ly/1IpcEfm )
968546;1420625868;fluffypony;such a surprise
968547;1420625870;fluffypony;who knew
968548;1420625877;fluffypony;/thread
968549;1420626877;fluffypony;!up punkman1
968550;1420626894;fluffypony;punkman1: gribble is still offline
968551;1420626897;fluffypony;!up punkman
968552;1420627407;scoopbot;New post on Qntra.net by cazalla: http://qntra.net/2015/01/changetip-spam-moves-beyond-twitter-youtube-reddit/
968553;1420629039;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 1548 @ 0.00079219 = 1.2263 BTC [-] {6} 
968554;1420629710;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12000 @ 0.00064648 = 7.7578 BTC [+]
968555;1420630381;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8000 @ 0.00064585 = 5.1668 BTC [-]
968556;1420630916;cazalla;damn, how does a woman become such a milf with this shit in her life? http://youtu.be/Iu7C5clA4q0?t=4m36s
968557;1420630918;assbot;Broken Nights and Lost Days: Inside World of Severe Autism - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1wUcgPc )
968558;1420631815;cazalla;!up RagnarDanneskjol
968559;1420631836;cazalla;well, no longer auth'd so no help to you sorry RagnarDanneskjol
968560;1420633005;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23550 @ 0.00063763 = 15.0162 BTC [-] {2} 
968561;1420633392;jurov;holy log
968562;1420633431;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31500 @ 0.00062183 = 19.5876 BTC [-] {2} 
968563;1420635749;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9800 @ 0.00063719 = 6.2445 BTC [+] {2} 
968564;1420636184;jurov;!up Vexual
968565;1420638129;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 41447 @ 0.00064778 = 26.8485 BTC [+] {2} 
968566;1420638190;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22053 @ 0.00065249 = 14.3894 BTC [+]
968567;1420638679;thestringpuller;http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/2rji9f/looking_before_the_scaling_up_leap_by_gavin/cngsj0b
968568;1420638919;thestringpuller;trilema is down
968569;1420639151;mod6;http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/2rji9f/looking_before_the_scaling_up_leap_by_gavin/cngsj0b << ``OH GAVIN, DO YOU WANT SOME BUNNY COINZ?! WHERE CAN WE ALL LINE UP TO FELLATE YOU FOR BREAKING BITCOIN?''
968570;1420639153;assbot;gavinandresen comments on Looking before the Scaling Up Leap - by Gavin Andresen ... ( http://bit.ly/1DxlYNe )
968571;1420639259;mod6;shit makes me so mad i want to punch two birds in the face: http://media.coindesk.com/2014/04/Gavin-with-cockie1.jpg
968572;1420639260;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1Dxmbjr )
968573;1420639283;thestringpuller;Prepare for war boys.
968574;1420639289;mod6;prepare?
968575;1420639294;mod6;lol.
968576;1420639324;thestringpuller;He declared war on us!
968577;1420639333;thestringpuller;"A minority is opposed"
968578;1420639337;thestringpuller;>:(
968579;1420639353;mod6;Since like 2014.10.22 I've been stabbing derps.
968580;1420639377;thestringpuller;chyeeeaaauh
968581;1420639382;mod6;:D
968582;1420639389;thestringpuller;mod6 run da streetz and gets no sleeep
968583;1420639393;thestringpuller;CHEEEEEYYYEEEAAAUH
968584;1420639397;thestringpuller;MAH NIGGAS WAR READY!
968585;1420639399;thestringpuller;llololol
968586;1420639410;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13600 @ 0.00065249 = 8.8739 BTC [+] {2} 
968587;1420639642;mod6;thestringpuller: Last Of A Dying Breed
968588;1420639715;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21997 @ 0.00065316 = 14.3676 BTC [+] {2} 
968589;1420640081;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24200 @ 0.00065363 = 15.8178 BTC [+]
968590;1420640293;jurov;cue thestringpuller chest thumping in full gear
968591;1420640536;jurov;someone pls up nubbins`
968592;1420640542;jurov;i cannot anymore :(
968593;1420640552;mod6;!up nubbins`
968594;1420640558;nubbins`;ty
968595;1420640569;nubbins`;wanted to share this, thought you guys might appreciate
968596;1420640573;nubbins`;http://catimes.net/
968597;1420640605;nubbins`;it just pulls news stories from other websites and does blind word replacement on the articles, to make them seem original
968598;1420640689;mod6;``Error establishing database connection''
968599;1420640945;nubbins`;nod guess 3 of us at once is too much
968600;1420641029;mod6;heh :]
968601;1420641979;fluffypony;lol nubbins`
968602;1420641982;fluffypony;"A self-murder bomber pushing a minibus full of explosives killed during slightest 30 people Wednesday morning as cadets collected nearby a military academy in a heart of Yemen’s capital"
968603;1420641993;fluffypony;"Skydivers burst to reserve before craft crashes"
968604;1420642460;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7050 @ 0.00065364 = 4.6082 BTC [+] {2} 
968605;1420643072;jurov;Police were called. They contend a 35-year-old Angus, Ont., male was inebriated and incompetent to scrupulously caring for himself.
968606;1420643143;jurov;"competent to scrupulously care for oneself" lol this is CV material
968607;1420643210;jurov;"Lovers of all things sly gathered to move on a holiday cheer, tell a few jokes and lift income for cats with no place to call home." indeed
968608;1420643405;thestringpuller;jurov: haha. not so much cyrus from "The Warriors"
968609;1420643412;thestringpuller;"CAN YOU SUCKAS COUNT"
968610;1420643497;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20400 @ 0.00064564 = 13.1711 BTC [-]
968611;1420643623;TomServo;!up saifedean
968612;1420643684;saifedean;Good evening, gentlemen, how goes it?
968613;1420643794;TomServo;'evening.  It goes well, aside from the gribble vacation.
968614;1420643858;saifedean;word on the street is that the noob ddosing subsided, so i dropped by
968615;1420643891;thestringpuller;"CAN YOU SUCKAS COUNT"
968616;1420643971;jurov;http://queue.acm.org/detail.cfm?id=2716278 rip http
968617;1420643972;assbot;HTTP/2.0 - The IETF is Phoning It In - ACM Queue ... ( http://bit.ly/1s5hcFt )
968618;1420644167;jurov;lots of derp tho
968619;1420646025;thestringpuller;!up HeySteve
968620;1420646120;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1850 @ 0.00064498 = 1.1932 BTC [-] {2} 
968621;1420646123;thestringpuller;!t m s.qntr
968622;1420646123;assbot;[MPEX:S.QNTR] 1D: 0.00015 / 0.00015 / 0.00015 (7703 shares, 1.16 BTC), 7D: 0.00015 / 0.00015 / 0.00015 (7703 shares, 1.16 BTC), 30D: 0.00015 / 0.00015 / 0.00015 (7703 shares, 1.16 BTC)
968623;1420646140;thestringpuller;!l m S.qntr
968624;1420646140;assbot;Last trade for S.QNTR on MPEX was at 0.00015 BTC [-]
968625;1420646486;thestringpuller;good morning mr. chairman
968626;1420646676;mircea_popescu;"Not everyone who wants an immediate confirmation will be able to get it, regardless of how much they pay. If there's more people wanting next-block confirmation than there are slots in the block, it's mathematically guaranteed that people will miss out. As network usage grows, the percentage of unsatisfied users will grow linearly with it."
968627;1420646679;mircea_popescu;check out the idiocy lol.
968628;1420646704;mircea_popescu;"i want it" "are you paying for it ?" "no, but i still want it" "because ?" "because i say so, damn it" "this isn't fiat, billy" "fuck you stop opressing me"
968629;1420646722;thestringpuller;that's a good way to put it
968630;1420646736;thestringpuller;like a kid having a temper tantrum in a store because mommy won't buy him gummy bears
968631;1420646764;mircea_popescu;anyway, i kinda enjoy all this acting as if they have an option in the matter.
968632;1420646773;*;mircea_popescu really hopes he will actualyl get to rape this crowd.
968633;1420646780;mircea_popescu;damn it'll be so sweet.
968634;1420646900;thestringpuller;that's kublai/ghengis khan talk there
968635;1420646934;thestringpuller;so who declared the war?
968636;1420646967;thestringpuller;Gavin is provoking war, for what reason?
968637;1420647046;mircea_popescu;he's just doing what told. "for democracy".
968638;1420647072;mircea_popescu;whatever mini-nuland is in charge does not understand that there are forces more powerful on the field, who "do not understand how the world works"
968639;1420647128;thestringpuller;but even so any fork at all needs to be killed immediately. it splits network power and lowers security.
968640;1420647137;thestringpuller;ideally killing the fork before it's even a thing.
968641;1420647174;mircea_popescu;i do not see this.
968642;1420647191;mircea_popescu;the expensive and painful slow roasting of idiots is a very valuable output.
968643;1420647197;thestringpuller;care to elaborate?
968644;1420647207;mircea_popescu;their cries of pain and outrage should be preserved for posterity, to teach others.
968645;1420647224;thestringpuller;heh.
968646;1420647250;thestringpuller;benevolent AND merciful
968647;1420647254;mircea_popescu;the fact that no lord ever wanted whoever he punished to ever die is directly apparent if you look at two things : their artists made hell be eternal torture ; the bodies lay in the gibbet at the gate for much longer than the dude inside survived.
968648;1420647285;mircea_popescu;so no, if it lasts forever and it's nothing but a hellish cried of the tortured all the better.
968649;1420647350;mircea_popescu;sadly this won't be possible here, like it's not possible generally, but in spirit.
968650;1420647408;thestringpuller;i'm visualizing a classroom full of students pointing and laughing at Gavin while he struggles to find emotions and reactions
968651;1420648038;PeterL;hi
968652;1420648077;mircea_popescu;how goes.
968653;1420648084;mircea_popescu;btw, you know scoopbot website is not werk ?
968654;1420648101;PeterL;yeah, I know, I need to fix it
968655;1420648128;PeterL;I think my server is blocked from trilema?
968656;1420648150;mircea_popescu;pm me ip. did it make a ton of requests ?
968657;1420648371;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=07-01-2015#968556 << kid is practically begging to be beaten, they won't oblige.
968658;1420648371;assbot;Logged on 07-01-2015 11:41:56; cazalla: damn, how does a woman become such a milf with this shit in her life? http://youtu.be/Iu7C5clA4q0?t=4m36s
968659;1420648499;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18350 @ 0.0006522 = 11.9679 BTC [+] {2} 
968660;1420648865;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20250 @ 0.00064326 = 13.026 BTC [-]
968661;1420648931;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo cazalla here's a pretty good tip for qntra :
968662;1420649015;mircea_popescu;nejc/bitstamp crew allege that hacker somehow got into their system, stole privkeys for their addresses, AND THEN deleted their copies. magically. they were all online or something, who knows.
968663;1420649029;mircea_popescu;HOWEVER. one of those addresses is http://bitbet.us/stats/1QJRfCctSz7BLriE7CiF5LefBXJgm6Jcax/
968664;1420649030;assbot;BitBet Stats ... ( http://bit.ly/141NVQw )
968665;1420649037;mircea_popescu;in continuous use from dec 18th.
968666;1420649052;thestringpuller;whoa
968667;1420649059;mircea_popescu;now is the theory here that what, the haxxor is using on bitbet the same address that nejc was using on bitbet prior to the "hack" ? because why ?
968668;1420649096;asciilifeform;ty mircea_popescu
968669;1420649100;mircea_popescu;my pleasure.
968670;1420649118;thestringpuller;sorry to hear you got the flu asciilifeform
968671;1420649130;thestringpuller;the joys of slave labor in US eh?
968672;1420649257;asciilifeform;if i knew how to earn bread without leaving home, i would
968673;1420649263;asciilifeform;perhaps i ought to attend spam school.
968674;1420649302;PeterL;my father-in-law earns a living at home in his pajamas, programming
968675;1420649323;mircea_popescu;"Piketty, some would say, is king. I say Piketty has shown, like Gibbon, what is possible. "
968676;1420649327;mircea_popescu;is this the french commie ?
968677;1420649902;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22200 @ 0.00065392 = 14.517 BTC [+] {3} 
968678;1420650766;mircea_popescu;ahhh the fact reddit is so in favour of this hardfork business is so great :D
968679;1420650778;mircea_popescu;hot damn i hope they go through with it
968680;1420650826;mod6;tie them to the radiator and grape them in the mouth
968681;1420650887;mircea_popescu;lol
968682;1420650932;fluffypony;what hardfork business?
968683;1420650946;mircea_popescu;fluffypony but the logs!
968684;1420650962;fluffypony;it's holiday season :-P
968685;1420650991;mircea_popescu;http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/2rji9f/looking_before_the_scaling_up_leap_by_gavin/cnhdze7?context=3 << check it out, hashname perseveres.
968686;1420650992;assbot;0749dddfaecad1445f66 comments on Looking before the Scaling Up Leap - by Gavin Andresen ... ( http://bit.ly/141WUBo )
968687;1420650997;mircea_popescu;fluffypony links for you there, as it happens.
968688;1420651016;fluffypony;ah ok
968689;1420651050;mod6;http://youtu.be/Ow7pwIDhl5c
968690;1420651052;assbot;Whitest Kids U Know - I am gonna grape you in the mouth - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/141Xdfz )
968691;1420651351;mircea_popescu;nubbins`: it just pulls news stories from other websites and does blind word replacement on the articles, to make them seem original <<< there's a million of these.
968692;1420651415;mircea_popescu;who the fuck is  Taylor Swift
968693;1420651448;mircea_popescu;"american singer-songwriter and actress"
968694;1420651449;assbot;Last 1 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/0DHN10G.txt )
968695;1420651449;thestringpuller;!b 1
968696;1420651452;mircea_popescu;why am i so surprised.
968697;1420651459;assbot;Last 4 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/31JVZ88.txt )
968698;1420651459;thestringpuller;!b 4
968699;1420651610;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6450 @ 0.000655 = 4.2248 BTC [+]
968700;1420651809;mircea_popescu;"The IETF, obviously fearing irrelevance, hastily "discovered" that the HTTP/1.1 protocol needed an update, and tasked a working group with preparing it on an unrealistically short schedule. This ruled out any basis for the new HTTP/2.0 other than the SPDY protocol. With only the most hideous of SPDY's warts removed, and all other attempts at improvement rejected as "not in scope," "too late," or "no consensus," the IE
968701;1420651810;mircea_popescu;TF can now claim relevance and victory by conceding practically every principle ever held dear in return for the privilege of rubber-stamping Google's initiative."
968702;1420651812;mircea_popescu;heh. quite.
968703;1420651820;mircea_popescu;as if irrelevance can ever be averted by this sort of thing.
968704;1420651846;mircea_popescu;it's like making dogs blind to your fear by shaking uncontrollably.
968705;1420652171;mircea_popescu;jurov: lots of derp tho << i kinda liked his piece tbh.
968706;1420652214;jurov;ncfaci meant the bits where he promoted self-signed certs
968707;1420652238;mircea_popescu;are they bad ?
968708;1420652261;mircea_popescu;;;ud ncfaci
968709;1420652283;jurov;lol that's just keyfart
968710;1420652349;asciilifeform;if using the ssl crock of shit at all, being your own signing authority (instead of swallowing the master key bullshit and extortionary fees of the 'authorities') is the only way to go
968711;1420652351;mircea_popescu;oh
968712;1420652360;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform is what i thought too.
968713;1420652371;asciilifeform;elementarily true
968714;1420652373;mircea_popescu;after all "self-signed" cert can be edged into proper gpg signed matter, and it's all good.
968715;1420652395;asciilifeform;and if a 'luser' won't read or can't remember the genuine fingerprint, and won't write it down, whatever - he has no business owning computer
968716;1420652406;mircea_popescu;obviously "one has no way of knowing" if a self signed cert is good. but if there's also a .asc on the server... i'd say it's a damned sight better than "Verizon certifies"
968717;1420652448;asciilifeform;in case anyone needs to be reminded of this - ssl remains a crock of shit - as in, the entire protocol stack is porous and comically maldesigned
968718;1420652463;mircea_popescu;no contest.
968719;1420652530;mircea_popescu;jurov im curious to hear the self signed cert reasoning tbh.
968720;1420652575;asciilifeform;the traditional party line is 'oh noez you'll be mitm-ed if your browser doesn't refuse self-signed'
968721;1420652586;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2300 @ 0.00064884 = 1.4923 BTC [-] {2} 
968722;1420652635;mircea_popescu;sure, but i has a high regard of jurov.
968723;1420652649;asciilifeform;jurov: what did you have in mind ?
968724;1420652657;kakobrekla;unfortunately things people call browsers dont like to swallow self signed.
968725;1420652670;asciilifeform;kakobrekla: this is because the browsers are usg projects.
968726;1420652680;asciilifeform;in certain cases, directly
968727;1420652723;mircea_popescu;check this out : http://www.westernjournalism.com/breaking-12-killed-french-islamic-terror-attack-real-story/
968728;1420652725;assbot;Breaking: 12 Killed In French ISLAMIC Terror Attack. The REAL Story… ... ( http://bit.ly/1424mfR )
968729;1420652728;mircea_popescu;IT CAN NOT BE TERRORISM!!!
968730;1420652744;jurov;i believe self-signed certs are usable only for private use
968731;1420652751;jurov;and even they they are PITA
968732;1420652758;kakobrekla;yes they are so cause browsers.
968733;1420652769;jurov;so they are not "almost zero cost"
968734;1420652773;mircea_popescu;jurov what's private use ?
968735;1420652800;mircea_popescu;allah hates comedy. who knew.
968736;1420652813;jurov;inside a company for example
968737;1420652818;asciilifeform;yes, usg succeeded in setting up the situation where every luserplebe's browser will ring bells, flash lights, if a cert didn't come with a hitler signature
968738;1420652854;asciilifeform;some of the newer browsers, iirc, won't even give him the option of swallowing
968739;1420652859;jurov;i don't contest that
968740;1420652864;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform they also managed this situation where all the shit online carries a "5000 derps that don't really exist LIKE THIS"
968741;1420652870;mircea_popescu;because yes, absolutely, moar democracy.
968742;1420652906;asciilifeform;demoocracy aha.
968743;1420652906;mircea_popescu;jurov so you mean, it only works for sessions where the user knows/trusts the source, as opposed to whatever, random drive-by publishing ?
968744;1420652915;mircea_popescu;would work for a bank, wouldn't work for a newspaper sort of thing ?
968745;1420652919;jurov;i'm looking forward how are they going to solve it in libressl, if ever
968746;1420653014;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16700 @ 0.000656 = 10.9552 BTC [+] {2} 
968747;1420653031;jurov;i don't see how every time i'm accessing anything via https/smtps i'm going to think whether this is the right cert
968748;1420653044;jurov;tools like surl don't save it like ssh
968749;1420653047;jurov;*curl
968750;1420653071;mircea_popescu;jurov my browser allows me to save cert for later ?
968751;1420653078;mircea_popescu;checks against it as if it were verizon'd, no difference
968752;1420653083;mircea_popescu;is this minority behaviour ?
968753;1420653087;jurov;i am not talking about browser, that's lost cause
968754;1420653098;BingoBoingo;<mircea_popescu> now is the theory here that what, the haxxor is using on bitbet the same address that nejc was using on bitbet prior to the "hack" ? because why ? << I don't see any new bets after the 4th. COuld just be a derp who wanted to "win" to his Bitstamp deposit address?
968755;1420653105;mircea_popescu;curl similarily imports certs ?
968756;1420653121;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo wasn't the actual breach prior to the 4th ?
968757;1420653129;mircea_popescu;as opposed to announcement thereof ?
968758;1420653129;jurov;it annoys me to no end when i install self-signed cert and even if i try to distribute it between machines, some dam curl-like tool breaks
968759;1420653187;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: Bitstamp's line is the 4th and they didn't announce before then. so if it was earlier still time for customers to get fucked pertending deposit addressses are theirs.
968760;1420653195;jurov;also, email clients. it was *not* possible to make all them work with self-signed cert
968761;1420653205;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo i guess that works out then, prolly a customer.
968762;1420653208;mircea_popescu;a well.
968763;1420653233;jurov;it's just all lost cause. self-signed certs yes, but only after ssl/tls is ditched.
968764;1420653241;mircea_popescu;jurov well ok, by and large for any expectation it won't be possible to make "all" work. because anyone can anything, and well...
968765;1420653265;mircea_popescu;but i see whatcha mean. "not politically favoured, so not as well ironed out, so harder to use"
968766;1420653266;jurov;it's much easier with ssh for example
968767;1420653277;mircea_popescu;well yes, partly because ssh has no verizon.
968768;1420653281;mircea_popescu;you gotta put your key in
968769;1420653310;mircea_popescu;whodda thought, you know, that NOT invoving an us company is better.
968770;1420653631;BingoBoingo;http://news.slashdot.org/story/15/01/07/1440253/gunmen-kill-12-wound-7-at-french-magazine-hq
968771;1420653633;assbot;Gunmen Kill 12, Wound 7 At French Magazine HQ - Slashdot ... ( http://bit.ly/14288py )
968772;1420653720;BingoBoingo;thestringpuller: The atlantic doesn't know you exist http://t.co/uHfcEi8KRg
968773;1420653722;assbot;Why Are So Few Black People Using Bitcoin? - The Atlantic ... ( http://bit.ly/1428soe )
968774;1420653739;mircea_popescu;lol
968775;1420653819;BingoBoingo;https://twitter.com/pete_dushenski/status/552862307307782144
968776;1420653821;assbot;The Atlantic: Why Are So Few Black People Using Bitcoin?http://t.co/SEd8fZWC37
968777;1420653863;BingoBoingo;pete suggested: "Maybe they are better at keeping it on the down low".
968778;1420653906;mircea_popescu;what atlantic really means is "why are there so few black scammers in bitcoin, because that's all we know about anyway". and the reason couldn't possibly be "because they're just more honest than whitey"
968779;1420653982;thestringpuller;hah!
968780;1420653983;thestringpuller;hahah!
968781;1420653999;mircea_popescu;tis true.
968782;1420654003;thestringpuller;except for Lamar
968783;1420654005;thestringpuller;of Pheeva
968784;1420654018;thestringpuller;pretty sure he's taking bitpay cock up da butt knowing the implications
968785;1420654026;mircea_popescu;you keep going. you'll run out before i'm done enumerating pasty ass.
968786;1420654049;thestringpuller;hahaha! i thought only black people used "pasty white person" phrasing
968787;1420654059;mircea_popescu;im also black
968788;1420654061;thestringpuller;gotta love pasty white girls who are afraid of the sun like vampires tho ;)
968789;1420654062;mircea_popescu;in my spare time.
968790;1420654091;thestringpuller;o i kno
968791;1420654101;thestringpuller;MP is og
968792;1420654113;mircea_popescu;anyway, i have no problem with dudes going "oh, blacks do all teh crime!!!" if that's what they believe, and start running off stats about it. big whoop. but it's funny how nobody happens to fucking noticing the OTHER stats.
968793;1420654130;thestringpuller;mir-dizzle to the popes-rizzle
968794;1420654132;mircea_popescu;"black on black violence in the ghetto is so and so!!1". fine. and white on white scamming in bitcoin is how ?
968795;1420654157;assbot;Last 1 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/3TTCAS7.txt )
968796;1420654157;BingoBoingo;!b 1
968797;1420654173;asciilifeform;i'm told that there is - somewhat lower-tech - traditional 'black on black' sc4mz0r1ng - 'numbers games' run in back alleys, etc.
968798;1420654190;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform yeah. the shit run by jews in 1935.
968799;1420654195;asciilifeform;the very same
968800;1420654196;mircea_popescu;and by italians in 1955.
968801;1420654202;mircea_popescu;probably on the same damned exact stones.
968802;1420654208;asciilifeform;quite likely.
968803;1420654217;BingoBoingo;<asciilifeform> i'm told that there is - somewhat lower-tech - traditional 'black on black' sc4mz0r1ng - 'numbers games' run in back alleys, etc. << Replaced by same game with different operator "Lottery"
968804;1420654221;mircea_popescu;i went to school in this huge, what you'd call super-preppy thing.
968805;1420654236;mircea_popescu;and i have this distinct memory of a kid being pissed of at some chick, and going to carve "X is a whore" in the wall
968806;1420654238;BingoBoingo;Exurb
968807;1420654246;mircea_popescu;except... there was that ALREADY carved there. easily 50 years old.
968808;1420654249;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: the interesting thing is that usg has not succeeded in entirely displacing the native, ethnic 'lotteries'
968809;1420654249;mircea_popescu;same name, same exact string.
968810;1420654401;mircea_popescu;;;later tell pete_dushenski "Their habitual attacks on forums is usually" << are.
968811;1420654416;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 1273 @ 0.00079999 = 1.0184 BTC [-] {4} 
968812;1420654546;mircea_popescu;"But what of it? How does this effect you? Well, it effects" affects you. afect is another name for sentiment. to affect is to cause an effect upon something. to effect, confusingly enough, is to cause the execution of something.  so, you effect legislation, and that legislation affects people.
968813;1420654905;saifedean;hai there, mp, thanks for the voice
968814;1420654928;mircea_popescu;np
968815;1420654965;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14800 @ 0.00065626 = 9.7126 BTC [+]
968816;1420655124;TomServo;https://twitter.com/Bitstamp/status/552875687137525760
968817;1420655125;assbot;Our temporary website didn’t feel quite like home - so we gave it a little refresh while we work on restoring full services.
968818;1420655143;kakobrekla;win
968819;1420655156;mircea_popescu;"Keep up the good work!"
968820;1420655165;kakobrekla;temp site looking good!
968821;1420655177;TomServo;very nice shade of green!
968822;1420655184;kakobrekla;all green, nicely done. Safe choice of colors.
968823;1420655186;mircea_popescu;when are they bringing the fractional reserve back up ?
968824;1420655392;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22202 @ 0.00065626 = 14.5703 BTC [+]
968825;1420655481;asciilifeform;'got fish? nope, this is the meat counter. fish is what they don't have at the fish counter.'
968826;1420655505;mircea_popescu;lol
968827;1420655534;mircea_popescu;in other news, http://cdn.collarspace.com/photos/2173196p03.jpg?01072015085027
968828;1420655535;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/17jarXj )
968829;1420656846;mod6;kakobrekla: lol!
968830;1420656884;kakobrekla;as safe as their hot wallet
968831;1420656896;*;asciilifeform reread last night's thread, and grasped mircea_popescu deniable-transmissions scheme.
968832;1420656909;mircea_popescu;better on 2nd pass huh ?
968833;1420656913;asciilifeform;aha
968834;1420656916;asciilifeform;also better when awake
968835;1420656918;mircea_popescu;cool!
968836;1420656919;mircea_popescu;lol
968837;1420656930;mircea_popescu;saifedean answered.
968838;1420656979;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 47600 @ 0.00063408 = 30.1822 BTC [-] {6} 
968839;1420657047;mircea_popescu;by the way, requiem for a dream. good film.
968840;1420657072;*;asciilifeform saw, some years ago, liked
968841;1420657566;kakobrekla;btw bitstamp is moving operations to us (prolly sf).
968842;1420657586;kakobrekla;you heard it here phirst.
968843;1420657590;asciilifeform;l0l!
968844;1420657632;mike_c;interesting.  they must be retaining UK incorporation, no?  I would think it would be legal shitstorm otherwise.
968845;1420657655;kakobrekla;i dont think so but dont have the details.
968846;1420657680;mike_c;they should come to NYC.  very bitcoin friendly.  just drop all your coins off at lawsky's office on the way into town.
968847;1420657686;BingoBoingo;Mebbe they think legal shitstorm is to their benefit for filing bankruptcy?
968848;1420657802;mircea_popescu;kakobrekla so they can "cover" by being bought.
968849;1420657832;mircea_popescu;something tells me they have nfi how to write a term sheet, and there's about 50-50 odds of the financer backing out.
968850;1420657838;mircea_popescu;tl;dr : this won't end well.
968851;1420657919;mircea_popescu;watch how in a few short months it won't be possible to buy bitcoin at any price.
968852;1420657947;mircea_popescu;i guess ima have to bring an exchange online willy-nilly.
968853;1420659054;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21700 @ 0.00065305 = 14.1712 BTC [+]
968854;1420659156;BingoBoingo;"Attacks cell walls" You know just what penicillin and the rest of the beta-lactams do: http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2015-01-07/antibiotic-breakthrough-ends-25-year-discovery-drought.html
968855;1420659158;assbot;Antibiotic Breakthrough Ends 25-Year Discovery Drought - Bloomberg ... ( http://bit.ly/1Dynz5m )
968856;1420659235;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 7345 @ 0.00024059 = 1.7671 BTC [-] {3} 
968857;1420659358;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 22000 @ 0.00023561 = 5.1834 BTC [-] {3} 
968858;1420659603;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30200 @ 0.00063652 = 19.2229 BTC [-] {2} 
968859;1420660030;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15750 @ 0.00062815 = 9.8934 BTC [-]
968860;1420660150;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 15093 @ 0.0002001 = 3.0201 BTC [-]
968861;1420661318;asciilifeform;wai wat, mircea_popescu with an exchange ?!
968862;1420661326;*;asciilifeform will fly to conf3 on a pig, if this happens
968863;1420661453;BingoBoingo;* asciilifeform will fly to conf3 on a pig, if this happens << The Fairchild "WartHog"???
968864;1420661540;artifexd;mircea_popescu: Regarding gossipd, do you have any preference for the data flowing over the wire as binary or text?
968865;1420661669;artifexd;Binary would mean shorter messages because fingerprint a would only take up 20 bytes (instead of 40) and keys would not have to be armored.  Text would make the flow easier to read/debug but the data would necessarily take up more space.
968866;1420662050;jurov;artifecd did you research some existing ideas?
968867;1420662064;jurov;i liked http://twistedmatrix.com/documents/8.2.0/api/twisted.protocols.amp.html but did not try it in practice
968868;1420662065;assbot;twisted.protocols.amp : API documentation ... ( http://bit.ly/14pFQG2 )
968869;1420662072;BingoBoingo;http://media.bnd.com/smedia/2014/12/19/06/56/1jjiYD.AuSt.98.jpg
968870;1420662073;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/14pFSxE )
968871;1420662590;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4400 @ 0.00062034 = 2.7295 BTC [-]
968872;1420663383;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24353 @ 0.00065628 = 15.9824 BTC [+] {2} 
968873;1420663748;cazalla;mircea_popescu: HOWEVER. one of those addresses is http://bitbet.us/stats/1QJRfCctSz7BLriE7CiF5LefBXJgm6Jcax/ <<< isn't this just a case of someone using their bitstamp deposit address for bitbet payouts,  even kakobrekla  mentioned this http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=05-01-2015#965903
968874;1420663749;assbot;BitBet Stats ... ( http://bit.ly/14pPh8o )
968875;1420663749;assbot;Logged on 05-01-2015 15:10:48; kakobrekla: im now getting "my output address is bitstamp hot wallet" emails from bitbet users.
968876;1420663811;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23300 @ 0.00065933 = 15.3624 BTC [+] {2} 
968877;1420663873;thestringpuller;mircea_popescu: http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/2rkt1u/coinbase_give_us_the_right_to_run_your_credit/cngz6fs a voice of reason
968878;1420664238;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 40570 @ 0.0006355 = 25.7822 BTC [-] {4} 
968879;1420664298;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 45530 @ 0.00061195 = 27.8621 BTC [-] {3} 
968880;1420665213;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22500 @ 0.00061774 = 13.8992 BTC [+]
968881;1420665409;cazalla;BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Bitstamp's line is the 4th and they didn't announce before then. so if it was earlier still time for customers to get fucked pertending deposit addressses are theirs. <<< and there is still the issue of what amount of coins will not honoured by bitstamp after the annoucement
968882;1420666508;asciilifeform;artifexd: text?! wtf
968883;1420666675;asciilifeform;jurov: and what is that gnarly pythonism.
968884;1420666741;*;asciilifeform wonders if he woke up in some alternate universe #b-a full of www-dev folks
968885;1420666860;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33300 @ 0.00065025 = 21.6533 BTC [+] {3} 
968886;1420666982;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11400 @ 0.00066312 = 7.5596 BTC [+] {4} 
968887;1420667200;mircea_popescu;artifexd it's always encrypted, so what do you mean text ?
968888;1420667411;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2015/01/lawmakers-facebook-rant-threatens-media-for-unauthorized-use-of-his-name << turns out we have these here.
968889;1420667412;assbot;Lawmaker’s Facebook rant threatens media for “unauthorized” use of his name | Ars Technica ... ( http://bit.ly/1zURjpq )
968890;1420667470;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5000 @ 0.000664 = 3.32 BTC [+]
968891;1420667592;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9276 @ 0.000664 = 6.1593 BTC [+]
968892;1420668238;Apocalyptic;"mircea_popescu:i must say, incidentally, i thoroughly enjoyed this discussion." // so did I, thanks for the priceless logs
968893;1420668338;mircea_popescu;cazalla seems so, yes.
968894;1420668351;mircea_popescu;thestringpuller not bad. invite them over.
968895;1420668368;mircea_popescu;Apocalyptic cool!
968896;1420668447;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8224 @ 0.00065749 = 5.4072 BTC [-]
968897;1420669085;mircea_popescu;http://trilema.com/2015/oil-theory/#comment-111275 perhaps of broad interest seeing the fork war context.
968898;1420669086;assbot;Oil theory pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.  ... ( http://bit.ly/1zUVnGp )
968899;1420669105;mircea_popescu;last para at any rate.
968900;1420669422;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29650 @ 0.00066537 = 19.7282 BTC [+] {3} 
968901;1420669429;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: 'Let them have scrip, will be good enough for them...' << usd is not already scrip ?
968902;1420669438;mircea_popescu;quite.
968903;1420669468;asciilifeform;admittedly, a peculiar kind of scrip, for which one can get certain things overseas (for the time being)
968904;1420669549;asciilifeform;at some point, usd will no longer be a 'convertible' unit. completing its transition to equivalent of the soviet ruble.
968905;1420669578;asciilifeform;really the definition, if there is one, of 'scrip.'
968906;1420669587;asciilifeform;just like you can't spend subway tokens outside of the subway.
968907;1420669661;mike_c;^ it is also illegal to sell them.. such bullshit.
968908;1420669665;undata;"and then the ashes of their apps were all that remained"
968909;1420669923;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: 'The notion that gold supply does not increase a lot is predicated on obsolete technology.  Gold supply would increase quite a lot, and in really harmful ways involving cyanide, if it seriously became monetized.' << iirc, cyanidation was SOP since 1890s.
968910;1420669949;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: now, harmful methods involving - neutrons? yes.
968911;1420669949;mircea_popescu;sure.
968912;1420669975;mircea_popescu;just, lemme fish this out
968913;1420669992;mircea_popescu;http://trilema.com/2010/hai-sa-facem-si-noi-de-astea/
968914;1420669993;assbot;Hai sa facem si noi de-astea pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.  ... ( http://bit.ly/1s6wee4 )
968915;1420669997;mircea_popescu;that's one of those large excavators
968916;1420670001;mircea_popescu;THAT was not sop in 1890s
968917;1420670036;asciilifeform;aha.
968918;1420670068;asciilifeform;butugychag rennaissance is inevitable anyway
968919;1420670085;asciilifeform;quite a few increasingly scarce strategic minerals, all across mendeleev table.
968920;1420670154;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13168 @ 0.00066552 = 8.7636 BTC [+] {2} 
968921;1420670239;undata;asciilifeform: seems like an economic meltdown would also decrease the demand for those for new iPhones
968922;1420670283;asciilifeform;for pNohes - down. for bolometers used in heat-seeking rocket - up.
968923;1420670354;asciilifeform;it's an elementary 'who at this table starves last' situation
968924;1420670500;BingoBoingo;I'm pretty sure pNohe sellers could find a way to make resistive touchscreens fashionable again.
968925;1420670576;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: In is not the only scarce mineral.
968926;1420670651;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: Sure.
968927;1420670731;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: 'Currency generally is in the hands of a selected few, this situation where every man woman and child holds some is an exception, and I suspect coming to an end.' << i recall being shown, as a boy, an 1890s ru coin that 'would feed a family for a month!111!!'
968928;1420670816;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: this kind of thing worked in 'tribal' structure, where most folks are reasonably 'close to the soil' and grow/kill the necessities of life personally. i suppose it also works in a concentration camp - though, iirc, these also typically have a kind of scrip and so aren't entirely free of currency.
968929;1420670856;mircea_popescu;it will work fine in the world of the future
968930;1420670874;mircea_popescu;independence is predicated on something other than being a redditor.
968931;1420670879;asciilifeform;i'd guess more of a #2 than 1
968932;1420670938;asciilifeform;does 'reddit' really differ in any fundamental way, as a basic urban treadmill, from 1700s english gin, or roman circuses ?
968933;1420671069;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4226 @ 0.00065749 = 2.7786 BTC [-]
968934;1420671118;BingoBoingo;Only really differs in that some outside idiots consider things that emerge from there as worthy of consideration as virtue, instead of vice as in the case of English gin.
968935;1420671139;ben_vulpes;<mircea_popescu> [] o look, 1k lines by 4 am. ben_vulpes will so much love this. << lord am i
968936;1420671143;ben_vulpes;100% serious
968937;1420671165;BingoBoingo;http://reason.com/blog/2015/01/07/the-white-house-on-charlie-hebdo-then-an
968938;1420671168;assbot;The White House on Charlie Hebdo, Then and Now - Hit & Run : Reason.com ... ( http://bit.ly/1s6yAK7 )
968939;1420671233;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=27-07-2014#772767
968940;1420671233;assbot;Logged on 27-07-2014 19:19:35; mircea_popescu: chetty: II 5. France took Algeria, hoping for a country to eat cassoulet and instead France is now eating couscous. << this is what happens when small penis messes with big penis.
968941;1420671383;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: Naturally. I still wait for California's Seirra Nevada range to be inverted in the quest for rare minerals and to create H2O reservoir capacity to sustain the prisons and work farms.
968942;1420671497;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4600 @ 0.00062969 = 2.8966 BTC [-]
968943;1420671569;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: i'm expecting to end up in an inca-style, rather than soviet-style, camp
968944;1420671633;ben_vulpes;!up mats
968945;1420671635;ben_vulpes;wb mats
968946;1420671638;asciilifeform;that is, there is a fence to keep folks from leaving; they are left to fend for selves for food and water within the confines; and if the weekly quota of $metal is not brought to the gates in timely manner, there are public educaxecutions
968947;1420671664;asciilifeform;perhaps we should refer to this as 'belgian' method
968948;1420671675;BingoBoingo;Belgian method sounds about right.
968949;1420671688;BingoBoingo;Leopold, that man had ideas.
968950;1420671697;asciilifeform;what ideas. spain was there long first.
968951;1420671712;ben_vulpes;someone up mats plz
968952;1420671716;BingoBoingo;Leopold tried on a harsher continent.
968953;1420671718;asciilifeform;and the basic notion of working folks to death in a mine - is ancient.
968954;1420671719;BingoBoingo;!up mats
968955;1420671729;ben_vulpes;wait are we actually using altgribble for auth now?
968956;1420671741;asciilifeform;who?
968957;1420671741;BingoBoingo;Leopold's flavor also came with an exit strategy.
968958;1420671752;BingoBoingo;ben_vulpes: I've just stayed connected.
968959;1420671758;ben_vulpes;me too.
968960;1420671759;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: everything comes with 'exit strategy'
968961;1420671768;asciilifeform;just not necessarily the one you might like
968962;1420671901;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu and kakobrekla have been voicing folks by hand.
968963;1420671934;ben_vulpes;yeah but how come BingoBoingo gets to !up and not me
968964;1420671938;*;ben_vulpes stomps foot petulantly
968965;1420671964;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes cause he kept an uninterrupted connection and assbot still sees him
968966;1420671980;BingoBoingo;ben_vulpes: Maybe your connection just needs to be less wonh
968967;1420671985;ben_vulpes;when did assbot come back?
968968;1420671985;ben_vulpes;;;ident
968969;1420671994;ben_vulpes;you know what?
968970;1420671995;asciilifeform;assbot, afaik, never died
968971;1420671998;ben_vulpes;i don't actually care.
968972;1420672009;mircea_popescu;<BingoBoingo> Only really differs in that some outside idiots consider things that emerge from there as worthy of consideration as virtue, instead of vice as in the case of English gin. <<< there;'s tons of "gin as virtue" songs and oral liuterature.
968973;1420672012;asciilifeform;it's simply rudderless w/out gribble
968974;1420672020;ben_vulpes;derp, i meant gribble.
968975;1420672021;mircea_popescu;it was not preserved in writing because the mps of the time did not see itworthy of their wot.
968976;1420672046;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15300 @ 0.00066554 = 10.1828 BTC [+]
968977;1420672051;asciilifeform;'work is the curse of the drinking class' !
968978;1420672098;mircea_popescu;<ben_vulpes> wait are we actually using altgribble for auth now? << no.
968979;1420672102;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: iirc, a good bit of that stuff -was- preserved in writing - of a kind. e.g., 'broadside ballads'
968980;1420672135;mircea_popescu;sure.
968981;1420672337;ben_vulpes;<asciilifeform> [] hitler does know considerably more under the all-signed scenario than alternative. << your sought "morale hit"
968982;1420672388;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: i did, later, grasp mircea_popescu's deniable-transmission algo
968983;1420672392;kakobrekla;ben_vulpes you can speak cause you have ops not cause authed with gribble and assbot.
968984;1420672433;kakobrekla;and you cant !up, but you can +voice
968985;1420672458;ben_vulpes;confession time, i know nothing about the arcana of irc modes
968986;1420672466;mircea_popescu;join the club.
968987;1420672467;ben_vulpes;gossipd when
968988;1420672483;mircea_popescu;as soon as artifexd gets exactly drunk enough ?
968989;1420672485;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: trick is that two directly-connected cells may as well be exchanging signed msgs. but relayed msgs (in, e.g., cells a -> b -> c, from a to c) are 'gossip' - that is, 'deniable.'
968990;1420672517;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform precisely
968991;1420672565;ben_vulpes;clever, neh?
968992;1420672588;ben_vulpes;i imagine we'll all be running our own cells initially.
968993;1420672603;mircea_popescu;permanently ?
968994;1420672605;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: how do you propose to use the hypothetical gizmo without running a cell ?
968995;1420672619;mircea_popescu;i suppose once webchat is enabled you could use that.
968996;1420672621;ben_vulpes;how does someone relay a message to a cell and from a cell to another cell?
968997;1420672635;mircea_popescu;dude just read it first lol;
968998;1420672637;mircea_popescu;ask after.
968999;1420672646;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: manually configured peers
969000;1420672654;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: do read mircea_popescu's article, it is very concise.
969001;1420672746;ben_vulpes;forgive the extremely poorly articulated comment.
969002;1420672782;ben_vulpes;i imagine a steady-state future where people operate gossipd cells in much the same way that ircd's are operated on fleanode.
969003;1420672812;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: rather more like bitcoin - in that you introduce messages into the net by loading them into your own cell
969004;1420672827;asciilifeform;which then propagates to your peers
969005;1420672865;ben_vulpes;asciilifeform: https://blockchain.info/pushtx
969006;1420672867;assbot;Broadcast Transaction - Blockchain.info ... ( http://bit.ly/1s6D7Mt )
969007;1420672867;asciilifeform;(i forget if this was mircea_popescu's terminology in the original article, or not)
969008;1420672906;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: aha but you cannot really have this, unless you - in particular - or one of your peers - wants to create a public toilet for spam and give it peerage
969009;1420672934;ben_vulpes;it *will* happen.
969010;1420672944;ben_vulpes;the structure of the thing implies many wots.
969011;1420672945;asciilifeform;if one carries on with such, may find himself on a rather smaller and lonelier gossipnet
969012;1420672951;asciilifeform;than before.
969013;1420672978;ben_vulpes;doubtful, see the ever prolix reddit.
969014;1420672996;asciilifeform;incidentally i don't recall if any of you lot suggested this, but: max-graph-degrees knob.
969015;1420673015;asciilifeform;for when you want a 'louder', 'more new blood' sort of experience - crank clockwise.
969016;1420673066;asciilifeform;for the radio aficionados among us, let's call it 'squelch'
969017;1420673070;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes there's no value in imposing values for poeople.
969018;1420673086;mircea_popescu;just as long as i can isolate the redditd from my machine, the people who want to be in there are more then welcome to their own choices.
969019;1420673091;mircea_popescu;freedom is this, not something else.
969020;1420673135;ben_vulpes;i'm not suggesting any values be forced on anyone.
969021;1420673146;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform i thought it's implicit in the spec, in the "receiver decides if to relay" : you can configure a client to pass, to user or other clients, whatever you wish
969022;1420673165;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: in a way, it is. but sort of left as an exercise.
969023;1420673176;mircea_popescu;yea. well honestly most everything is so left.
969024;1420673186;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes granted. i just mean... so they do,more power to em.
969025;1420673244;*;ben_vulpes intends to run an open relay node - openly disclosed as such for those in the mood to twiddle knobs
969026;1420673260;ben_vulpes;cell, excuse me.
969027;1420673313;mircea_popescu;sure
969028;1420673456;ben_vulpes;mircea_popescu: "hashname" << have ye unleashed the valkyrie on reddit?
969029;1420673482;mircea_popescu;i dunno who it is
969030;1420673502;mircea_popescu;but some youthful enthusiast,i got a few offline pms.
969031;1420673753;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6450 @ 0.00066554 = 4.2927 BTC [+]
969032;1420674180;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12400 @ 0.00066593 = 8.2575 BTC [+] {2} 
969033;1420675195;thestringpuller;!up tsp_2
969034;1420675949;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4331 @ 0.00064543 = 2.7954 BTC [-]
969035;1420676498;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 1393 @ 0.00081683 = 1.1378 BTC [-] {5} 
969036;1420678328;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12200 @ 0.00064543 = 7.8742 BTC [-]
969037;1420678424;mircea_popescu;sooo... apparently "text" mysql blobs are limited to 65535 characters ?
969038;1420679118;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: http://trilema.com/2015/artifexd-a-better-ircd-rfc/#comment-111278 << perhaps should be a separate article ?
969039;1420679118;assbot;[Artifexd] A better ircd [RFC] pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.  ... ( http://bit.ly/1BJK9GN )
969040;1420679138;mircea_popescu;it is incredible just how broken wordpress is.
969041;1420679619;BingoBoingo;http://dailycaller.com/2014/11/14/muslim-gangs-continue-to-terrorize-55-neighborhoods-police-powerless/
969042;1420679620;assbot;Muslim Gangs Terrorize 55 Neighborhoods, Police Powerless | The Daily Caller ... ( http://bit.ly/1BJLo90 )
969043;1420679680;asciilifeform;^ mega-lol!
969044;1420679720;asciilifeform;when does the actual gov of se (northern caliphate) send replacement embassy to washington.
969045;1420680092;BingoBoingo;Question is will they ever care to.
969046;1420680103;asciilifeform;!s yi yi zhi yi
969047;1420680104;assbot;13 results for 'yi yi zhi yi' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=yi+yi+zhi+yi
969048;1420680108;asciilifeform;^ alternate hypothesis
969049;1420680198;BingoBoingo;In that case embassy lives in the shadows
969050;1420680269;asciilifeform;very simple formula: the 'barbarians' are in fact employees of the swedish (french, british, american - each case) government, aka usg, in good standing.
969051;1420680322;asciilifeform;their purpose is to terrorize the native population, for a variety of useful purposes (bolster seekoority state; keep real estate prices in less-afflicted zones high; etc)
969052;1420680369;asciilifeform;in many cases these folks are literally 'employed' to create chaos - as in, they get a pension, in return for... doing just that
969053;1420680415;asciilifeform;but this is a subject covered in painstaking detail in many other places.
969054;1420680456;mircea_popescu;i suppose this is not the best time to bring up the barbecuran.
969055;1420680462;asciilifeform;l0l
969056;1420680476;mircea_popescu;isn't it sort-of strange how this works ?
969057;1420680481;asciilifeform;only if mircea_popescu wants to test the turrets.
969058;1420680488;mircea_popescu;sure.
969059;1420680499;asciilifeform;they do need occasional testing.
969060;1420680524;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16300 @ 0.00064046 = 10.4395 BTC [-] {2} 
969061;1420680540;mircea_popescu;more's the point : ever wonder how these dudes pick ?
969062;1420680555;asciilifeform;http://frallik.livejournal.com/904117.html << 'they faked'
969063;1420680556;assbot;Varnish Error 503 Service Unavailable ... ( http://bit.ly/1BJNOEp )
969064;1420680559;asciilifeform;that was fast.
969065;1420680602;mircea_popescu;i can see it
969066;1420680707;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9805 @ 0.00065157 = 6.3886 BTC [+]
969067;1420680895;mircea_popescu;anyway, which kind of evil sand niggers were these ? the irani like or the saudi like ?
969068;1420680906;asciilifeform;not, afaik, specified
969069;1420680946;mircea_popescu;only an important point when discussing which side to give arms to ?
969070;1420680957;asciilifeform;sunni is well-funded iirc.
969071;1420680990;mircea_popescu;they'reall well funded.
969072;1420680999;mircea_popescu;heck, they're better funded than wasps.
969073;1420681001;asciilifeform;shia could use a better operating system.
969074;1420681028;cazalla;damn, the shooters in France don't fucking hesitate, down under it took almost 24 hours for the shooter to fire off a round https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BSMJb0fcWt4
969075;1420681029;assbot;Charlie Hebdo magazine police officer shot in head - CLOSE UP! - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1BJOU31 )
969076;1420681256;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8800 @ 0.00065157 = 5.7338 BTC [+]
969077;1420681402;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: incidentally, this is just after president hollande suggests pulling out of ru sanctions thing
969078;1420681426;mircea_popescu;lol
969079;1420681431;mircea_popescu;so it is sunni then
969080;1420681508;asciilifeform;then or generic theatre.
969081;1420681513;mircea_popescu;kinda pleasant to watch europe from  distance.
969082;1420681534;mircea_popescu;ovbiously, the result of this is not concentration camps for all muslims indiscriminately, because... well...
969083;1420681541;mircea_popescu;"can't generalize".
969084;1420681923;decimation;right, becuase all muslims are peaceful
969085;1420681975;mircea_popescu;Al-Azhar University in Cairo, Sunni Islam's leading centre of learning, called the attack "criminal" and said "Islam denounces any violence".
969086;1420681980;mircea_popescu;so it WAS sunni.
969087;1420681985;decimation;so it seems to me that this 'cell' topology is vulnerable in the sense that it is obvious who is relaying packets
969088;1420682020;decimation;third parties (required for routing packets) would know whose necks to squeeze
969089;1420682078;asciilifeform;decimation: you can't decrypt a single packet until a cell peers you
969090;1420682110;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3650 @ 0.00064096 = 2.3395 BTC [-]
969091;1420682110;mircea_popescu;decimation the graph is very flat, with 100s of connections. you will have to squeeze a large fraction to disrupt anything.
969092;1420682121;decimation;asciilifeform: right, but the intervening routers know the ip addresses of the cells
969093;1420682130;asciilifeform;decimation: or did you simply mean the proverbial future of the gasenwagen, where the mere act of transmitting cryptostrange is a gassing offense
969094;1420682131;mircea_popescu;only of the closest
969095;1420682133;decimation;it's true that if the network can be scaled this is less of a concern
969096;1420682176;asciilifeform;decimation: of some cells. no info on who they belong to (what keys), who the peers are, etc
969097;1420682200;decimation;it would be beneficial if nodes could connect via multiple 'ports' (vpns, etc)
969098;1420682249;asciilifeform;decimation: if you use udp, like i proposed, you can even have the mindfuck of a 'bar-bell shaped' cell - a 'multihomed' machine receives on one ip and transmits on another
969099;1420682262;asciilifeform;the receiver is, to anyone lacking a peerage key, just a black hole.
969100;1420682265;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform this works on tcp too
969101;1420682268;decimation;asciilifeform: indeed.  perhaps even hundreds of connections
969102;1420682270;mircea_popescu;decimation what difference does the port make.
969103;1420682274;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: nope. does not work on tcp.
969104;1420682285;asciilifeform;because tcp establishes a connection
969105;1420682286;mircea_popescu;receiving on one ip and sending on another ? sure, why niot.
969106;1420682289;asciilifeform;that - yes
969107;1420682299;asciilifeform;but the receiver being indistinguishable from an empty wall plug - no.
969108;1420682311;decimation;mircea_popescu: receiving on one ip and rxing' on another is what I'm calling a 'port'
969109;1420682321;mircea_popescu;try the experiment, send handskakes to random hosts on port 1337
969110;1420682325;mircea_popescu;plenty answer.
969111;1420682326;mircea_popescu;what of it.
969112;1420682335;asciilifeform;call it a goldbox.
969113;1420682336;mircea_popescu;decimation ah i thought you meant specifically :x
969114;1420682345;asciilifeform;that's what the 'phreak' version (bridge of two telephone lines) was.
969115;1420682358;decimation;well, there's also the thought of puttint it all on tcp port 80 and putting fake http headers
969116;1420682381;mircea_popescu;Le troisi�me homme recherch�, �g� de 18 ans, s'est rendu dans la nuit au commissariat de Charleville-M�zi�res, dans les Ardennes.
969117;1420682385;mircea_popescu;one surrendered.
969118;1420682415;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20266 @ 0.00065389 = 13.2517 BTC [+] {2} 
969119;1420682420;mircea_popescu;decimation really, this entire anonimity thing is moot. what exactly is going to happen ?
969120;1420682425;mircea_popescu;people still run torrents to this day.
969121;1420682436;asciilifeform;that part is just a bonus.
969122;1420682448;decimation;might as well wear a mustache while wearing fake glasses
969123;1420682485;mircea_popescu;"Selon le procureur, deux policiers ont �galement �t�s tu�s par les assaillants. L'un, le brigadier Franck Brinsolaro, du Service de la protection (SDLP, ex-SPHP) �tait charg� de la s�curit� de Charb, selon des sources syndicales polici�res. L'autre, Ahmed Merabet, a �t� tu� � l'ext�rieur, alors que les assaillants prenaient la fuite."
969124;1420682497;mircea_popescu;check it out,they killed another muslim guy. is this allowed ?!
969125;1420682497;decimation;!up pete_dushenski
969126;1420682504;decimation;!up decimation
969127;1420682529;pete_dushenski;ty!
969128;1420682541;decimation;we are in jungle mode
969129;1420682553;pete_dushenski;hm so it seems
969130;1420682572;pete_dushenski;mircea_popescu that is/are correction, where was that from? i couldn't place it
969131;1420682610;mircea_popescu;http://www.contravex.com/2014/10/02/thank-your-lucky-trolls/ ?
969132;1420682612;assbot;Thank Your Lucky Trolls | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski ... ( http://bit.ly/1BJSGti )
969133;1420682687;pete_dushenski;a merci!
969134;1420682761;pete_dushenski;corrigé!
969135;1420682790;pete_dushenski;some new material: http://www.contravex.com/2015/01/07/some-people-can-retire-and-some-people-cant-a-story-about-carrots/
969136;1420682791;assbot;Some people can retire and some people can’t: A story about carrots. | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski ... ( http://bit.ly/1xH5PUO )
969137;1420682809;pete_dushenski;http://www.contravex.com/2015/01/08/its-called-the-soviet-harvard-illusion-for-a-reason-and-that-reason-is-joshua-greene/
969138;1420682810;assbot;It’s called the Soviet-HARVARD illusion for a reason and that reason is Joshua Greene. | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski ... ( http://bit.ly/1xH5UI9 )
969139;1420682816;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform the russian guy's wrong in pretty much all the particulars. they ran into tons of police. http://www.liberation.fr/societe/2015/01/07/attaque-contre-charlie-hebdo-ce-que-l-on-sait_1175371
969140;1420682817;assbot;Il est 11h30, deux hommes tirent «en rafale» dans «Charlie Hebdo» - Libération ... ( http://bit.ly/1xH5Xnb )
969141;1420682850;*;asciilifeform was not there and did not count the police.
969142;1420682928;mircea_popescu;�face aux pr�jug�s, l'importance de se r�unir� commie president is at least retarded.
969143;1420682939;mircea_popescu;hey, prejudice exists specifically because you're "reunited".
969144;1420683125;asciilifeform;'Here is a question for Minister Stoltenberg: Do appeals to (and enforcement of) tolerance make repeats of such incidents more frequent or less frequent, and, if so, why?' (old orlov article, http://cluborlov.blogspot.com/2012/07/politics-of-unconscious.html )
969145;1420683127;assbot;ClubOrlov: Politics of the Unconscious ... ( http://bit.ly/1BJU2nP )
969146;1420683203;mircea_popescu;i dunno dood. do appeals to "ignore" the crying child rather than smack him over the head make crying children less common or more common ?
969147;1420683231;pete_dushenski;hey, prejudice exists specifically because you're "reunited". << heh. i made a similar point in the soviet-harvard article
969148;1420683262;pete_dushenski;basically, pluralistic/cosmopolitan cities are fashions, not some morally superior imperative
969149;1420683267;mircea_popescu;who's joshua greene \again ?
969150;1420683274;pete_dushenski;they can work, but not by default
969151;1420683295;mircea_popescu;that's a good point.
969152;1420683299;pete_dushenski;"Professor of Psychology and Director of the Moral Cognition Lab at Harvard University"
969153;1420683305;mircea_popescu;also, they can not work without well organised oppression.
969154;1420683310;mircea_popescu;heh mkay.
969155;1420683317;asciilifeform;see turkish example for how.
969156;1420683361;pete_dushenski;sure, the point being that there are an infinite number of ways they cannot work, and a few that they can
969157;1420683365;mircea_popescu;sure.
969158;1420683372;pete_dushenski;but the solutions involve, yes, strong leadership
969159;1420683380;pete_dushenski;and also modification of the physical environment
969160;1420683388;mircea_popescu;i really like these "academics" whose contribution to the world consists on "this model is supported by the fact that brain area activation"
969161;1420683392;mircea_popescu;phrenology 2.0
969162;1420683406;pete_dushenski;not, as greene suggests, with typical progressive socialist lenses, "improving out thinking"
969163;1420683419;mircea_popescu;at least the computing turdmeisters don't (yet) prove systemd superiority by photographic cpus with tomograph units
969164;1420683433;mircea_popescu;photographing*
969165;1420683440;pete_dushenski;lol "the picture tells us..."
969166;1420683450;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: the 'brain activation' folks are simply a somewhat more 'photogenic' version of the rest of usg academia, where virtually every physical science 'result', almost without exception, concerns some spurious correlation of this and that
969167;1420683463;pete_dushenski;they're far better served "reading" mattise than body scans
969168;1420683480;asciilifeform;at least the computing turdmeisters don't (yet) prove systemd superiority by photograph << actually.
969169;1420683485;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform i guess.
969170;1420683503;mircea_popescu;i get really indignant when marketeers try to sell spuriousness,
969171;1420683511;mircea_popescu;but in fact all of academia does it, for much more money.
969172;1420683527;pete_dushenski;and for "les prix"
969173;1420683542;pete_dushenski;like kim jong un's generals
969174;1420683542;asciilifeform;i make regular trips to my university maths/physical sciences library. there is a substantial comp-sci/discretes section there. i pull out, seriously, a book, one in three, random page - a graph. for almost precisely this, the comparison between the warm and the soft.
969175;1420683551;mircea_popescu;nah, themarketing cocksuckers give themselves tons of trophies
969176;1420683560;mircea_popescu;it's like porn minus the lube, seriously.
969177;1420683571;asciilifeform;great heuristic for what not to bother flipping through, but very frustrating re: how much space these take up on the shelves.
969178;1420683573;pete_dushenski;sounds... burny
969179;1420683628;asciilifeform;('graph' of the microshit office, 'comparison of efficiencies', vs graph theoretic kind)
969180;1420683706;scoopbot;New post on Qntra.net by cazalla: http://qntra.net/2015/01/paypal-australia-regulate-bitcoin-businesses-not-individuals/
969181;1420683739;mircea_popescu;this discussion is reminding mircea_popescu to go check on the "oh, we are economists, looking before we leap, there's a small minority disagreeing" crowd
969182;1420683929;mircea_popescu;lmao -dev is almost as retarded as the forum by now.
969183;1420683939;mircea_popescu;dgenr8how about using the world's biggest bloom filter to prevent address reuse? it wouldn't add much to storage requirements
969184;1420683953;mircea_popescu;blockbitsCan't wait until we have 20MB blocks. I've developed a easy to use web front-end for people to upload files to the blockchain, using scriptsigs to store data. they can retrieve files by simply pasting any TX. I've put aside a few hundreds thousand dollars to pay mining pools to mine my non-standard tx's for free. I was hoping we can increase the block size to 200MB... please make it as big as possible, my dat
969185;1420683953;mircea_popescu;a storage busin
969186;1420683953;mircea_popescu;etc,
969187;1420683985;pete_dushenski;lol!
969188;1420684021;pete_dushenski;maybe we should also make mining free, and use the scrypt fairness algorithm
969189;1420684042;pete_dushenski;http://www.nytimes.com/2015/01/07/technology/intel-budgets-300-million-for-diversity.html?_r=2 << more lulz
969190;1420684044;assbot;Log In - The New York Times ... ( http://bit.ly/1BJWkU1 )
969191;1420684057;pete_dushenski;because that's what profit is for, reinvestment
969192;1420684067;pete_dushenski;... in diversity
969193;1420684068;BingoBoingo;Seriously though what is this forced prevention of address reuse bullshit. Spz I recieve at address, spend from and input there, happen to recieve there again... Anything that prevents spending the later balances recieved is an attack.
969194;1420684196;mircea_popescu;meanwhile, gavin hasn't been on #bitcoin-dev in the past two weeks, and was mentioned maybe a coupla times in the interval.
969195;1420684214;mircea_popescu;methinks the fake foundation derps are having a serious palatial moment these days.
969196;1420684228;BingoBoingo;bitcoin-dev exists better as a mailing list anyways.
969197;1420684230;pete_dushenski;palatial moment?
969198;1420684241;BingoBoingo;!up ziishu
969199;1420684246;mircea_popescu;curious what shall come out of this.
969200;1420684254;BingoBoingo;pete_dushenski: You know from that movie plot Mp mposted to trilema
969201;1420684259;mircea_popescu;pete_dushenski you know when the retarded horse discovers that the pigs are actually having fun in the pig room ?
969202;1420684280;ziishu;greetings, any change of a bb wager for blockchain hardfork
969203;1420684289;ziishu;chance*
969204;1420684295;mircea_popescu;why not ? spec it.
969205;1420684305;pete_dushenski;mircea_popescu BingoBoingo i see i have some reading to catch up on :)
969206;1420684310;BingoBoingo;pete_dushenski: http://trilema.com/2014/the-idea-for-a-great-film/
969207;1420684311;assbot;The idea for a great film... pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.  ... ( http://bit.ly/1xHa9DA )
969208;1420684312;ziishu;lazy :) I was just thinking it would be a good idea
969209;1420684319;mircea_popescu;sure lol.
969210;1420684332;*;mircea_popescu reads bb's link to see what this is!
969211;1420684347;mircea_popescu;oh. that also works lol.
969212;1420684351;pete_dushenski;i actually read that one!
969213;1420684352;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: Emperor Eunuch and the Barbarians
969214;1420684372;*;pete_dushenski thinks mp and bb are thinking of different articles
969215;1420684407;mircea_popescu;but i was thinking more of the moment when the color revolutionaries discxover their leader is really a sort of adonis.
969216;1420684447;BingoBoingo;That one's just my default thought when MP says palace or palatial, because we all know MP prefers a bunch of apartments spread around town to a single palace. Decentralize all of the residence!!!
969217;1420684448;mircea_popescu;pete_dushenski i was refering to animal farm.
969218;1420684472;mircea_popescu;you know when the "guard of the revolution" discovers that their supreme leader isn't really into the revolution at all ? that thing.
969219;1420684486;pete_dushenski;mircea_popescu aha yes
969220;1420684503;mircea_popescu;palatial moment. when the derps in -dev discover that well... gavin isn't really into bitcoin.
969221;1420684517;assbot;Last 3 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/09Z19TD.txt )
969222;1420684517;BingoBoingo;!b 3
969223;1420684523;mircea_popescu;painful times.
969224;1420684554;pete_dushenski;i only saw the play. and while it was a splendid rendition, it was also some time ago. but i gets it nao!
969225;1420684580;pete_dushenski;anways, i must sadly depart. good evening to all!
969226;1420684585;mircea_popescu;if you've seen american century x, there's that moment when norton's character finds out the old dude was really in prison for fraud.
969227;1420684610;BingoBoingo;And yet... the noise does not abate, but grows, and as it grows there's silence growing in the great hall too, under the marble arches, over the limpid pools. The emperor bids his guests eat, but they swallow knots, he bids them merry, but the one courtly concubine that starts to talk, trying to tell a joke, runs hoarse. And then, a centurion busts in, a different sort of man. Rugged, bearded, covered in soot and dried blood, he
969228;1420684610;BingoBoingo;screams that the West gate fell, and this is the last hour.
969229;1420684627;mircea_popescu;ahh, gripping huh.
969230;1420684705;BingoBoingo;Basically the story of everyone finding about Roger Ver's firecrackers and Uncle Shrem's bong.
969231;1420684726;mircea_popescu;well, i dunno how many people were seriously taking ver for some sort of leader.
969232;1420684749;mircea_popescu;maybe, i guess.
969233;1420684862;BingoBoingo;I dun imagine too many people of the kind in a position to support a leader. Still hurts when Ver blows his credibility on Gox's final days giving the scammer crowd room to pretend ther are Bitcoin 'Murica old hands.
969234;1420684889;mircea_popescu;is a point.
969235;1420684984;BingoBoingo;I mean fucking Jared Kenna having a renaissance and Homero Garza stepping in fresh off of ripping some New England mountain towns for WiFi?
969236;1420685041;mircea_popescu;heh.
969237;1420685054;BingoBoingo;!up PeterL
969238;1420685060;PeterL;thanks
969239;1420685095;BingoBoingo;I mean even matonis seems kind of repentant about getting hooked into playing with Vessenes
969240;1420686134;BingoBoingo;!up WolfGoethe
969241;1420686144;WolfGoethe;hello
969242;1420686166;BingoBoingo;Hello. Any thoughts on events that have transpired since your last visit?
969243;1420686277;WolfGoethe;events?
969244;1420686285;WolfGoethe;the dropping of the price?
969245;1420686302;PeterL;when was your last visit?
969246;1420686312;WolfGoethe;month or two ago
969247;1420686354;BingoBoingo;Well, that or ButtStamp. Or any number of things.
969248;1420686371;WolfGoethe;no idea about bitstamp or paycoin
969249;1420686389;WolfGoethe;i have been pondering the possiblity of banker meddling in the bitcoin price
969250;1420686408;BingoBoingo;Well, dollars are cheap
969251;1420686417;mircea_popescu;lol
969252;1420686424;BingoBoingo;"Buy high, sell low" works for oil
969253;1420686426;WolfGoethe;clearly they are attacking gold and silver desperate to keep the dollar high, they attacked the russian economy by working with opec to lower oil prices
969254;1420686442;mircea_popescu;i always thought WolfGoethe = vexual
969255;1420686446;WolfGoethe;not too far out of scope to see them messing with bitcoin just to keep the lid on how worthless the dollar is
969256;1420686468;BingoBoingo;Why work with all of Opec when you can just deal with the House of Saud's gerontocracy and that rogue state of North Dakota?
969257;1420686472;PeterL;who is "them"?
969258;1420686475;WolfGoethe;also if Russia answered their attack with chinese help we could very easily have $1,000,000 bitcoin in a month
969259;1420686482;mircea_popescu;PeterL the lizard tribe doh.
969260;1420686508;mircea_popescu;WolfGoethe no because captain planet would intervene.
969261;1420686517;WolfGoethe;the house of Saud is a completely controlled puppet government yes
969262;1420686519;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: The reptilians. The DDoS people ruined the lizard word like all marketers do.
969263;1420686528;BingoBoingo;WolfGoethe: Nah, it is just old.
969264;1420686537;mircea_popescu;i think the reptilians are just a ruse.
969265;1420686549;mircea_popescu;i mean sure, they did wtc, but what've they done for us since ?
969266;1420686557;WolfGoethe;i do not want to get into the spiritual stuff, as that is way to deep for most folks
969267;1420686561;BingoBoingo;Patriot act?
969268;1420686586;WolfGoethe;clearly all this has spiritual roots, only an intergenrational intelligence and master arcitect could have perverted everything 180 degrees
969269;1420686608;mircea_popescu;the meta dougornay ?!
969270;1420686636;mircea_popescu;(it only rhymes with nowai because it's true)
969271;1420686673;WolfGoethe;i really think bitcoin could spike to a million bucks if Putin worked with China to answer the us economic attack. putin could just say he refuses to pay back their loans because of the sanctions and he could ask china to call in their us debt... the fed could just print cash to buy it up... but if china sold that debt to foreign governments... the fed could NOT print foreign currency.. so... overnight the dollar would collapse... not a shot
969272;1420686673;WolfGoethe;fired
969273;1420686698;WolfGoethe;Putin doesn;t wanna go there tho. he is sitting back
969274;1420686704;BingoBoingo;WolfGoethe: Why would they fire though before USMS "auctions" the last silk road parcel.
969275;1420686711;mircea_popescu;it all depends on cuba
969276;1420686734;BingoBoingo;repost from earlier http://media.bnd.com/smedia/2014/12/19/06/56/1jjiYD.AuSt.98.jpg
969277;1420686735;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1Au9iIL )
969278;1420686736;WolfGoethe;cuba sold putin out, the idiots... they will get a color revolution soon. the moment fidel dies
969279;1420686749;mircea_popescu;color red ?
969280;1420686761;WolfGoethe;the usa wants to hit russia and china first with a nuke attack before they get their mutual defense up
969281;1420686762;BingoBoingo;No entirely right. Obama surrendered to Raoul Castro.
969282;1420686776;WolfGoethe;obama surrendered???
969283;1420686782;BingoBoingo;To Cuba.
969284;1420686800;WolfGoethe;what? are you being sarcastic?
969285;1420686805;BingoBoingo;Why would USSA. USSA first strike would require just about all of the H-bombs that still work.
969286;1420686808;BingoBoingo;Not at all.
969287;1420686808;mircea_popescu;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bOR38552MJA
969288;1420686809;assbot;Blame Canada - South Park: Bigger Longer & Uncut (3/9) Movie CLIP (1999) HD - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1Au9urm )
969289;1420686829;WolfGoethe;the usa mvoed in because cuba and russia were getting to close. putin foragev 32 billion bucks of cuba debt.. and wanted a prescense on the island
969290;1420686837;WolfGoethe;this was a geopolitical move to cut russia off
969291;1420686856;WolfGoethe;their goal is to cut off venezula and the bolivarian revolution and then encircle brazil
969292;1420686864;WolfGoethe;this is geopolitics 101 not complciated
969293;1420686874;BingoBoingo;WolfGoethe: No. It was to appeal to the democratic base lest 'Murica's other socialist party do it in 2017.
969294;1420686895;WolfGoethe;.... boingo.. r u serious?
969295;1420686905;WolfGoethe;lol.. ok brah.. yeah.. thats the ticket
969296;1420686918;WolfGoethe;i am a fool
969297;1420686932;WolfGoethe;thinking it had something to do with russia and full spectrum domiannce
969298;1420686943;WolfGoethe;it is just so obama can get some mo votes for his pal... hilary
969299;1420686944;WolfGoethe;lol
969300;1420686945;BingoBoingo;Yeah, Obama has sold a large part of America's electorate on Cuban style socialism and he want's to let them know he's stronger than the R-socialist party to making friends with cuba
969301;1420686950;mircea_popescu;anyway, this has been good enough for nao.
969302;1420687096;BingoBoingo;Well, it's the sort of diversion gossipd will render largely irrelevant.
969303;1420687164;BingoBoingo;The burden of impressing to get a connect to a gossipd node for the casual I imagine will be much higher than getting a !up nao.
969304;1420687181;mircea_popescu;prolly depends where
969305;1420687187;mircea_popescu;im sure there's going to be skankier nodes
969306;1420687221;mircea_popescu;actually thinking of it... cautions will probably be common.
969307;1420687232;mircea_popescu;"pay me 1 btc, if youdon't say anything stupid for a whole month you get it back"
969308;1420687241;BingoBoingo;Prolly. It's just this increment voice evolution seems to be proceeding at a humanly sane pace.
969309;1420687251;mircea_popescu;mhm
969310;1420687293;BingoBoingo;<mircea_popescu> "pay me 1 btc, if youdon't say anything stupid for a whole month you get it back" << The way I understand gossipd... fair collateral seems closer to 15-20 BTC
969311;1420687295;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13250 @ 0.00065884 = 8.7296 BTC [+] {2} 
969312;1420687343;asciilifeform;"pay me 1 btc, if youdon't say anything stupid for a whole month you get it back << perfectly happy to run a blockchain telegraph gateway.
969313;1420687347;mircea_popescu;well... there's going to be skankier nodes
969314;1420687356;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11704 @ 0.00066806 = 7.819 BTC [+] {3} 
969315;1420687368;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform how do you mean ?
969316;1420687369;BingoBoingo;A current trust slut doesn't have the gossipd burden of getting its owner's actual orfices pounded.
969317;1420687390;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: as described in my article by the same name
969318;1420687395;*;mircea_popescu wonders how the artifexd residence looks.
969319;1420687407;mircea_popescu;piles of scribbled notes and thrown matter
969320;1420687427;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform i got that part. but the relation ?
969321;1420687427;artifexd;nope
969322;1420687436;mircea_popescu;o hai
969323;1420687443;BingoBoingo;!up PeterL
969324;1420687457;PeterL;ok, I think I got it working again: http://bablogs.btcscoop.com
969325;1420687458;assbot; #bitcoin-assets blog posts  ... ( http://bit.ly/1wWqSO7 )
969326;1420687463;artifexd;My woman keeps the place in excellent order.
969327;1420687470;mircea_popescu;props to her
969328;1420687473;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: ah, simply suggesting that one could allow folks to speak on a cell by blocktelegraphing in
969329;1420687486;mircea_popescu;cool PeterL
969330;1420687523;PeterL;but it seems to be missing trilema posts.
969331;1420687542;mircea_popescu;sooo... tat gave up his blog too ?
969332;1420687564;PeterL;which is tat?
969333;1420687619;BingoBoingo;http://devilsadvocate.biz/ << TaT'
969334;1420687622;assbot;The Devil's Advocate | Telling it like it might be. ... ( http://bit.ly/1Aubpfs )
969335;1420687646;asciilifeform;gave up << it seems to still be there ?
969336;1420687664;nubbins`;PeterL tat was the neobee guy.
969337;1420687676;mircea_popescu;PeterL yeah nothing from trilema, how come ?
969338;1420687687;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform october ?
969339;1420687705;PeterL;I seem to be getting an error trying to process unicode characters in python
969340;1420687708;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: mine - june!
969341;1420687714;nubbins`;PeterL he ran a bunch of passthroughs and other sucker games on the various scamsites before retiring
969342;1420687728;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: and there are many gaps at least that long
969343;1420687741;mircea_popescu;aha
969344;1420687749;mircea_popescu;im more of a daily sort of guy
969345;1420687751;BingoBoingo;https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B6zBy9lCYAIX9pP.jpg
969346;1420687751;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1AubGPL )
969347;1420687844;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12550 @ 0.00067067 = 8.4169 BTC [+] {2} 
969348;1420687866;decimation;PeterL: unicode is kinda gay
969349;1420687876;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: speaking of which, whatever happed to the marvelous british invention of the 'pig burial' ?
969350;1420687914;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: Very good question.
969351;1420687944;ben_vulpes;<mircea_popescu> sooo... apparently "text" mysql blobs are limited to 65535 characters ? << perhaps someday consider the use of the alien technology "postgresql"
969352;1420687957;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes for wordpress ?
969353;1420687981;ben_vulpes;mircea_popescu: can't see why not.
969354;1420687987;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: I hear it can be forced.
969355;1420687987;mircea_popescu;all this stemmed from hanbot's comment on the gossipd article which was supposed to be like 120kb.
969356;1420688004;mircea_popescu;why not ? because i won't fucking rewrite wordpress wtf.
969357;1420688073;ben_vulpes;lord wordpress needs a rewriting to work with other databaxen?
969358;1420688084;mircea_popescu;i am sure.
969359;1420688137;asciilifeform;http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/57793 << related
969360;1420688138;assbot;Swine: Secret Weapon Against Islamic Terror? - Inside Israel - News  - Arutz Sheva ... ( http://bit.ly/1wWs9Vm )
969361;1420688138;artifexd;The simple solution would be to alter the table to change the column type from TEXT to LONGTEXT.  That will give you 2**32 characters of space
969362;1420688140;BingoBoingo;ben_vulpes: There are tales of WP working with Postgre and others in off the shelf configuration, much as there are sightings of a loch ness monster with feathers.
969363;1420688147;mircea_popescu;PeterL what unicode does trilema spit out that chokes your script ?
969364;1420688166;mircea_popescu;artifexd it got changed to something like that but a diff name
969365;1420688189;asciilifeform;http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/Flash.aspx/32749#.VK37NHW9_fs << ru pigburial
969366;1420688191;assbot;Chechen Terrorists to be Buried in Pigskin - Latest News Briefs - Arutz Sheva ... ( http://bit.ly/1wWsjMw )
969367;1420688191;ben_vulpes;wai
969368;1420688194;ben_vulpes;wai web so shit
969369;1420688207;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform  http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/britain-first-extremists-plot-pig-burial-halt-controversial-dudley-mega-mosque-1474294
969370;1420688209;assbot;Britain First Extremists Plot Pig Burial to Halt Controversial Dudley Mega Mosque ... ( http://bit.ly/1wWsnMn )
969371;1420688216;PeterL;just a sec, let me find it again
969372;1420688228;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: slightly different gambit there
969373;1420688298;mircea_popescu;"Britain First represents everything we disagree with and they represent the worst of all worlds, by putting on a patriotic face while promulgating division."
969374;1420688303;asciilifeform;https://github.com/luanjunyi/gossipd << lol
969375;1420688304;assbot;luanjunyi/gossipd · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1wWsNlN )
969376;1420688304;mircea_popescu;gotta be unionized!
969377;1420688357;mircea_popescu;"Gossipd is an implementation of MQTT 3.1 broker written in Go. MQTT is an excellent protocal for mobile messaging."
969378;1420688368;mircea_popescu;sounds like it went faor
969379;1420688455;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7650 @ 0.00067017 = 5.1268 BTC [-]
969380;1420688753;BingoBoingo;!up PeterL
969381;1420689199;decimation;asciilifeform: you might find this amusing http://www.myhdl.org/
969382;1420689200;assbot;MyHDL ... ( http://bit.ly/1wWw6tj )
969383;1420689455;undata;decimation: here have this https://node-os.com/
969384;1420689456;assbot;Node OS ... ( http://bit.ly/1AufJLV )
969385;1420689491;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 7080 @ 0.00021001 = 1.4869 BTC [+] {3} 
969386;1420689518;BingoBoingo;WHY!!!!!
969387;1420689550;BingoBoingo;"Let's do Google's Android, but somehow make it suck MOARRRR!!!!!"
969388;1420689573;decimation;lol nodejs
969389;1420689590;undata;it's that imitative mind
969390;1420689636;decimation;node.js is run by that joyent mafia
969391;1420689637;undata;JS is widespread, therefore good. Operating Systems are hard and people who make them are well known. I should sculpt my one shitty skill into hardthing and be well known.
969392;1420689673;BingoBoingo;Knife is hard, but ribmeat is soft!!!
969393;1420689754;decimation;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-12-2014#946746 < node.js, etc
969394;1420689754;assbot;Logged on 06-12-2014 02:50:54; decimation: apparently they kicked the guy off the project because of his refusal to commit a pronoun patch
969395;1420689805;BingoBoingo;^ 4d26f9ff93d05876c1cd67dfc27de7b925949274
969396;1420690027;undata;already handled in logs, but ye gods the bile it summons
969397;1420690040;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30299 @ 0.00065177 = 19.748 BTC [-] {3} 
969398;1420690042;*;undata goes back to poking his own web monstrosity with a stick
969399;1420690042;BingoBoingo;https://twitter.com/BBoingo/status/553040022631632896
969400;1420690044;assbot;Reply to /izakaminska Financial Times blog post on Bitstamp hack.http://t.co/CpzamTHqm1/hashtag/bitcoin?src=hash /hashtag/bitstamp?src=hash /hashtag/crypto?src=hash
969401;1420690097;BingoBoingo;undata: I count this past new years as successful as I fot to see my bile on January second. That means this is going to be a fun year.
969402;1420690133;undata;groundhog day at the vomitorium?
969403;1420690174;BingoBoingo;undata: Except actually ahs indicative power in my experience.
969404;1420690250;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: Apparently something unfortunate happened to your neighbors during their game of "almost golf" https://twitter.com/IllinoisLoyalty/status/553040601542053889/photo/1
969405;1420690251;assbot;http://t.co/LmDnn6XL0j
969406;1420690651;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16594 @ 0.00064096 = 10.6361 BTC [-]
969407;1420690696;BingoBoingo;!up cardigm
969408;1420690699;BingoBoingo;Hello cardigm
969409;1420690711;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17500 @ 0.00063672 = 11.1426 BTC [-] {3} 
969410;1420690909;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: i must confess that i do not know how, and with what, the game of 'almost golf' is played; or how it relates to what is happening in the photo.
969411;1420690971;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: So You take a bunch of people, 5 on the field of paly at a time. Goal is putting a bouncy ball through a hoop of fixed height.
969412;1420690987;asciilifeform;lol
969413;1420690996;BingoBoingo;The major advantage in playing the game comes from a player being as close to the hoop's height as possible.
969414;1420691005;*;asciilifeform would prefer to see the aztec 'basketball'
969415;1420691030;mod6;yeah, with the hoop on the side.
969416;1420691036;mod6;and a ball of stone
969417;1420691041;mod6;murder-ball
969418;1420691046;asciilifeform;by some account, not stone
969419;1420691068;mod6;ah. maybe a stuffed goat bladder or something
969420;1420691072;asciilifeform;head of captain of former champion team.
969421;1420691072;*;BingoBoingo actuall prefers American football for the ways it stays truer to the spirit of indigenous sports.
969422;1420691077;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30350 @ 0.00063289 = 19.2082 BTC [-] {2} 
969423;1420691109;mod6;modern american football is a joke compared to what it used to be, its basically unwatchable these days.
969424;1420691166;BingoBoingo;mod6: NFL, totally unwatchable. College game. This bowl season a coach broke his nose. Running back shat his pants... and these were the more normal anomalies.
969425;1420691198;mod6;yeah, college is better. the plays they do are "creative" too.
969426;1420691219;mod6;hockey is about all i can really get into as far as pro sports.
969427;1420691281;mod6;lol, did you see Chris Christie during the Cowboys/Lions game?  DEEERRRP
969428;1420691291;BingoBoingo;Hockey and Baseball are the pro sports I watch.
969429;1420691294;BingoBoingo;Nah
969430;1420691302;BingoBoingo;NFL. Did not watch.
969431;1420691315;mod6;omg. it was embarassing
969432;1420691368;mod6;but ya, the NFL is just brutal. its an abortion of what it used to be 25+ years ago
969433;1420691488;mod6;are you a blues fan?
969434;1420691618;BingoBoingo;mod6: Nominally. I like hockey in the way that I'd rather see a good game than follow a team.
969435;1420691631;mod6;werd
969436;1420691650;mod6;blues have been a good team for last number of years.
969437;1420691652;BingoBoingo;Baseball, I get territorial.
969438;1420691662;mod6;cards fan 'eh :)
969439;1420691675;BingoBoingo;Blues have always hovered somewhere between making the playoffs and missing a championship.
969440;1420691713;BingoBoingo;Cards though... Imma give Matheney all of the explatives for only making the playoffs.
969441;1420691717;mod6;Remember when they had Brett Hull? They were pretty good back then too.
969442;1420691718;BingoBoingo;!matheney
969443;1420691725;BingoBoingo;mod6: They were
969444;1420691737;BingoBoingo;Had Gretsky too for a time
969445;1420691744;mod6;that's right!
969446;1420691801;BingoBoingo;mod6: Even mircea_popescu Hates matheney's coaching though http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-03-2014#543439
969447;1420691801;assbot;Logged on 03-03-2014 22:19:37; mircea_popescu: matheny needs to be out of a job.
969448;1420691838;BingoBoingo;This was back when Carlos Martinez's twitter account consisted of a wall of vaginas he'd enjoyed
969449;1420691853;mod6;haha.
969450;1420691865;mod6;the Twins finally ditched Gardy.
969451;1420691886;mod6;a likeable guy, but just lost control of that team a few years back.
969452;1420691889;BingoBoingo;I saw. Chicago Cunts changed managers yet again too.
969453;1420691895;mod6;ya
969454;1420691926;BingoBoingo;Cubs hired the guy who used to coach in the #BitcoinBowl stadium
969455;1420691983;mod6;the Twins built that Target field for $1bn bezzle bucks. and if you step outside to smoke the fascist asswads wont let you re-enter.
969456;1420692022;BingoBoingo;They let you re-enter at Busch Stadium built with mostly private money...
969457;1420692044;BingoBoingo;Because the Los Angeles Rams fucked over the StL teams
969458;1420692072;mod6;They let you re-enter at Fenway too.
969459;1420692106;mod6;and they sell some killer brats.  and old guys walk around and sell hot cups of "clamchowdah"
969460;1420692130;mod6;'GET YA HOT CHOWDAH!'
969461;1420692156;BingoBoingo;When I go to the cards games most I eat there is a hot dog. Gotta make hose $6 beers work.
969462;1420692196;mod6;yeah, lol. they're like $8 or something at Target field. its bananas. mind as well get a mixed drink.
969463;1420692243;BingoBoingo;Oh, mixed drinks at Busch cost nothing less than rape.
969464;1420692253;mod6;haha. they grape you in the mouth 'eh
969465;1420692255;BingoBoingo;!s molina
969466;1420692256;assbot;9 results for 'molina' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=molina
969467;1420692285;mod6;*bloop* irssi just told me that i've passed my #b-a byte allotment for the year.
969468;1420692301;mod6;:D
969469;1420692337;BingoBoingo;Happens
969470;1420692399;BingoBoingo;Even MP has an idea of Yadi http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=01-03-2014#540564 that is true sports celebrity http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=01-03-2014#540564
969471;1420692399;assbot;Logged on 01-03-2014 18:16:44; mircea_popescu: so which'd be the yadier-molina-est guy in that pic ?
969472;1420692399;assbot;Logged on 01-03-2014 18:16:44; mircea_popescu: so which'd be the yadier-molina-est guy in that pic ?
969473;1420692419;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22386 @ 0.00064692 = 14.482 BTC [+] {3} 
969474;1420692453;mod6;ah
969475;1420692472;mod6;yeah.
969476;1420692508;BingoBoingo;Like every winning team the Cardinals preach family values when called for yet shank people in the alley when necessary.
969477;1420692548;BingoBoingo;!up cardigm
969478;1420692548;mod6;heheh
969479;1420692612;mod6;i was following the twins closer until a certain $100M player came down with "bi-lateral leg weakness"
969480;1420692638;mod6;it's like $100M!?
969481;1420692654;BingoBoingo;One economic problem I will never get is dual sports players in college declaring for the NFL draft and skipping the MLB draft (looking at you rapin Jaimis)
969482;1420692720;BingoBoingo;For the average to exceptional player the NFL offers more moneyper year over less years, while MLB offers more total money over a longer period of time.
969483;1420692734;BingoBoingo;SOme serious cult mentality there.
969484;1420692755;mod6;ya.
969485;1420692780;mod6;sports would be better if these knuckleheads just had to play for their meal ticket
969486;1420692789;mod6;and "glory" or w/e
969487;1420692875;BingoBoingo;Or if they'd think economically. Bo Jackson could have had another decade of professional playing time... If he didn't let the NFL cripple his body.
969488;1420692891;mod6;Bo Jackson was awesome.
969489;1420692897;BingoBoingo;Indeed
969490;1420692917;mod6;I think i have a rookie card of his somehwere around here.
969491;1420692953;*;BingoBoingo is kind of aggrevied Mussina didn't make the HOF this year in spite of inventing much of contemporary successful pitching.
969492;1420693035;mod6;think they'll ever give in and let Rose into the HOF?
969493;1420693100;BingoBoingo;Eventually, probably on a reconcilliation ballot or some shit. I don't see a need for them to though. Their denial has only made his legend stronger.
969494;1420693162;mod6;How is it that MLB is regulated by Congress?
969495;1420693223;BingoBoingo;mod6: The same way congress overreaches by proposing ex-post facto laws contrary to the constitution like https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ex-PATRIOT_Act
969496;1420693225;assbot;Ex-PATRIOT Act - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ... ( http://bit.ly/1xTAQ6H )
969497;1420693232;BingoBoingo;Nominally they say anti-trust.
969498;1420693254;BingoBoingo;In reality they jsut contravene actual law for 10 minutes of voter attention.
969499;1420693277;mod6;haha. it's nuts.
969500;1420693286;mod6;what a waste of taxpayer money
969501;1420693293;BingoBoingo;Totally.
969502;1420693318;BingoBoingo;So the StL rams majority owner proposed a new stadium complex in LA.
969503;1420693348;mod6;so they're gonna be the LA Rams again?
969504;1420693366;BingoBoingo;A veto block of other team owners opposes the rams moving because it would prevent them from blackmailing their city governments with the threat of a move to LA
969505;1420693385;mod6;heheh
969506;1420693386;BingoBoingo;My money would be on London Rams and LA Raiders.
969507;1420693396;mod6;really?
969508;1420693414;BingoBoingo;Yeah.
969509;1420693427;BingoBoingo;But you prolly wouldn't like my odds
969510;1420693466;BingoBoingo;Because of the way the 4 outcome bet would lay out... unfriendly to any who touch it.
969511;1420693575;ben_vulpes;god finally logged up
969512;1420693582;mod6;more and more like airstrip one all the time
969513;1420693602;BingoBoingo;Indeed
969514;1420693622;mod6;Hi ben_vulpes!
969515;1420693626;BingoBoingo;The United States though probably leads the world in circus mobility
969516;1420693642;*;BingoBoingo wonders if circus obility command is an actual office somewhere
969517;1420693648;BingoBoingo;!up WolfGoethe
969518;1420693679;BingoBoingo;WolfGoethe: Have you been watching the longs in the interim since MP stripped your voice?
969519;1420693734;WolfGoethe;nope, coding a new btc escrow market
969520;1420693746;BingoBoingo;Sounds dangerous.
969521;1420693786;WolfGoethe;only one out now is localbitcoins, could use alot of improvement
969522;1420693857;BingoBoingo;As far as anyone knows localbitcoins is 3 Belgians and a 5Is leak.
969523;1420693896;BingoBoingo;If actual and not alt gribble was around #bitcoin-otc would be prime for action
969524;1420693898;WolfGoethe;5ls leak? what does that mean?
969525;1420693911;BingoBoingo;WolfGoethe: Not 5ls, 5Is
969526;1420693924;ben_vulpes;hola mod6
969527;1420693936;ben_vulpes;dunno if anyone ever noticed this but the gpg.db file has a users table
969528;1420693944;ben_vulpes;as does the ratingsystem.db file
969529;1420693980;*;ben_vulpes had not planned on a normalization excursion tonight, rather, wanted the otc db shooped into mother postgres
969530;1420694590;mircea_popescu;<undata> it's that imitative mind << imitathive
969531;1420694615;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 78595 @ 0.00063523 = 49.9259 BTC [-] {4} 
969532;1420694652;mircea_popescu;<assbot> Logged on 06-12-2014 02:50:54; decimation: apparently they kicked the guy off the project because of his refusal to commit a pronoun patch << well he wasn't being paid, so technically they uh.
969533;1420694804;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo lmao buterin is still clogging the pipes ?
969534;1420694870;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: He is, and I intend to shit in his mouth every step of the way if I can keep my dietary fiber intake up.
969535;1420694903;mircea_popescu;enjoy.
969536;1420694911;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: Because for some reason he didn't die wit Bitcoin Ragazine
969537;1420694940;mircea_popescu;this is the blockchain technologies / ethereum guy isn't he ?
969538;1420694962;mircea_popescu;somehow i have trouble distinguishing all the biafra faces of these "entrepreneur" folk
969539;1420694998;BingoBoingo;I dunno they differ much. Vitalik though is the singular name ethereum invokes.
969540;1420695221;mircea_popescu;mod6: and "glory" or w/e << soviet sports kinda beat us sports on this model.
969541;1420695260;BingoBoingo;In hockey the Canadians and Somalians kinda beat them both.
969542;1420695278;mircea_popescu;well no more soviets anymoar.
969543;1420695285;undata;@mircea_popescu | <undata> it's that imitative mind << imitathive << the reddit hive seems to have caused a malfunction in something very normal and human
969544;1420695286;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10750 @ 0.0006407 = 6.8875 BTC [+]
969545;1420695299;undata;where the thing that causes most people to follow someone and obey has wrapped around itself
969546;1420695304;undata;*caused
969547;1420695320;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: What did Chicago become then when Obama surrendered to Raoul???
969548;1420695328;undata;reddit as a sort of shared mindless leader, or at least a point to swarm around
969549;1420695333;mircea_popescu;well yeah. i wish there was reddit spray for ants
969550;1420695340;mircea_popescu;get each ant think the other ant is the queen
969551;1420695346;mircea_popescu;watch some pretty sick fractal motion
969552;1420695355;undata;mircea_popescu: there is a phenomenon where the ants swarm in a vortex until they starve
969553;1420695366;mircea_popescu;myeah
969554;1420695369;mircea_popescu;bezmetic
969555;1420695372;BingoBoingo;undata: +/- voting is broken period. /. is the least broken implementation which is far from encouraging
969556;1420695402;undata;BingoBoingo: I mean that force in society by which a man knows which way to go.
969557;1420695403;BingoBoingo;<mircea_popescu> get each ant think the other ant is the queen << You can do this with some mamals
969558;1420695427;BingoBoingo;undata: Problem with Reddit is it is hard to realize that a man is a man.
969559;1420695440;ben_vulpes;BingoBoingo: it's hard enough to recognize a man in the first place
969560;1420695464;BingoBoingo;ben_vulpes: Then grow a better beard.
969561;1420695497;mircea_popescu;just in fucking time eh.
969562;1420695513;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo: WolfGoethe: Have you been watching the longs in the interim since MP stripped your voice? / WolfGoethe: nope, coding a new btc escrow market < goes straight to bash
969563;1420695518;BingoBoingo;Bin Laden would probably die if a single hair from my chin found his larynx. A lot of stored energy in those curls
969564;1420695561;undata;my hair is engaged in a slow migration from forehead to chin
969565;1420695596;BingoBoingo;undata: Do people actually do that?
969566;1420695606;undata;do what?
969567;1420695620;BingoBoingo;Less forhead, more chin.
969568;1420695638;undata;dunno if that's biologically a thing
969569;1420695642;undata;probably depends on the person
969570;1420695652;undata;anyhow re: beards there are plenty of those around PDX but far fewer men
969571;1420695654;BingoBoingo;Both areas filled in for me around 13 and I've been policing the land between evwer since
969572;1420695713;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16374 @ 0.00062969 = 10.3105 BTC [-]
969573;1420695802;BingoBoingo;#NoUnibrow
969574;1420695940;ben_vulpes;poor undata's under a lot of stress
969575;1420695945;ben_vulpes;LEAVE UNDATA ALONE
969576;1420695946;*;ben_vulpes sobs
969577;1420695950;undata;haha
969578;1420695971;*;mircea_popescu pensively rubs his grey beard
969579;1420695972;undata;s'what I get for thinking business was what a man does in 'merica
969580;1420695979;mircea_popescu;I HAVE A GREY BEARD YO!
969581;1420695990;undata;I should've just gone to the valley to suck dick until I had enough to expatriate
969582;1420695996;undata;but you live and learn
969583;1420696000;mircea_popescu;or at least regurgitate
969584;1420696017;undata;haha
969585;1420696020;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: I've got a lot of red skin under my black beard after I prepped for fiat job interview Tuesday.
969586;1420696067;mircea_popescu;what job was it ?
969587;1420696117;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: Ekectronic reserves. Interviewed Tuesday. Decision Friday. Won't interfere with Qntra, but fiat income can help save some BTC from hell.
969588;1420696143;mircea_popescu;gl.
969589;1420696182;BingoBoingo;I hope I get it. BTC has never been cheaper for adopted value.
969590;1420696218;BingoBoingo;Who needs sleep anyways.
969591;1420696335;mircea_popescu;hehe ya
969592;1420696337;undata;my gf tells me I talk about code in my sleep, so what's the difference
969593;1420696347;undata;"fucking django, god damn it" *rolls over*
969594;1420696401;mircea_popescu;tell her i said she should finger your butthole when you do that.
969595;1420696413;undata;hahaha, I will relay that message verbatim.
969596;1420696421;undata;absent presently
969597;1420696450;mircea_popescu;then undata brain will be like "fuck that irl django, the asleep django' smuch better. must sleep moar."
969598;1420696472;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo had no day job?
969599;1420696479;*;asciilifeform was certain he had spoken of one
969600;1420696504;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: No day job since spring 2012.
969601;1420696508;asciilifeform;and what's an ekectronic (electronic?) reserve ?
969602;1420696520;asciilifeform;something akin to army reserve?
969603;1420696527;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: Those things the tortises disallow you.
969604;1420696528;undata;BingoBoingo: sounds lovely; how did you spend your leisure?
969605;1420696548;BingoBoingo;undata: By eating too many BTC in spring 2013.
969606;1420696549;*;undata longs for the day he can just sit down with some parenthesis and build a web thing that makes sense
969607;1420696552;cazalla;;;pretendlater tell PeterL published your article, ty
969608;1420696557;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: the reference is lost on me
969609;1420696567;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14950 @ 0.00062754 = 9.3817 BTC [-] {2} 
969610;1420696583;mircea_popescu;lol cazalla
969611;1420696592;mod6;heheh
969612;1420696667;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: So the terrapins that run your library... deny you journals. In this job I would take PDFs and basically be in charge of posting them online for students.
969613;1420696673;asciilifeform;ahaha
969614;1420696707;*;asciilifeform had no idea anyone were still paid for this duty; thought it was carried out by slave labour
969615;1420696754;mircea_popescu;slave labour > paid labour.
969616;1420696757;scoopbot;New post on Qntra.net by PeterL: http://qntra.net/2015/01/summary-of-mpex-stocks-and-funds-december-2014/
969617;1420696763;BingoBoingo;What are librarians but slaves who would have been lawyers.
969618;1420696885;*;asciilifeform jams elbow into apparatus from day job
969619;1420696999;mircea_popescu;btw, no qntra reporting on the blocks war thing ?
969620;1420697049;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: tsp working on block wars piece, /me working on Ver vs. 'Murican legal anomolie piece
969621;1420697057;cazalla;mircea_popescu, the someone that is writing that piece has a day job
969622;1420697095;*;BingoBoingo drinking tonight and writing so waiting on sobriety to pull the trigger so that it matters.
969623;1420697122;mircea_popescu;cazalla but... it's night now :D
969624;1420697164;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: But the qntra is a global conglomerate. Too early for him to have peanut butter jelly time.
969625;1420697171;mircea_popescu;hehe true ture.
969626;1420697304;cazalla;ya know, every time ya make these story suggestions, it feels like that scene in Casino
969627;1420697380;BingoBoingo;FU Hank, WHY can't you fix this Hank https://i0.wp.com/i.minus.com/iPydduaC5I5sr.gif
969628;1420697384;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1zVO80K )
969629;1420697425;mircea_popescu;cazalla which one ?
969630;1420697468;cazalla;chairman of the fucking board philip green
969631;1420697510;mircea_popescu;now i gotta check casino
969632;1420697562;cazalla;yeah, i youtubed it but google gave me a scene from Casino Royale instead..
969633;1420697573;*;asciilifeform wonders if the folks who were to bring out therealbitcoin.org engine of war in the blockwar, are also mired in day jobs
969634;1420697576;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes... ?
969635;1420697598;ben_vulpes;things proceed slowly, asciilifeform.
969636;1420697618;ben_vulpes;the satoshi codebase is so gorgeously well engineered that it kills gdb when approaching the wedge
969637;1420697626;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: To my knowledge the irony of ironies is that ben_vulpes has a day job while I merely chse worms away from plants fruiting seasonal delights.
969638;1420697631;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: wai wat
969639;1420697649;cazalla;personally, my own feelings match gaggi's "why take a chance" scene
969640;1420697671;ben_vulpes;(gdb) Killed
969641;1420697672;mircea_popescu;lol
969642;1420697679;mircea_popescu;that gaggi scene is pretty great.
969643;1420697685;mircea_popescu;"at least... that's how i feel about it."
969644;1420697687;asciilifeform;oom-killed ?
969645;1420697739;ben_vulpes;asciilifeform: that's a good question
969646;1420697741;ben_vulpes;i just...
969647;1420697745;ben_vulpes;!s read cpp
969648;1420697745;assbot;1 results for 'read cpp' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=read+cpp
969649;1420697755;BingoBoingo;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1BdFuDtjVOQ
969650;1420697757;assbot;Duran Duran - Dance Into The Fire - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1BC2J5U )
969651;1420697814;BingoBoingo;^ At that deviation from filmed version I come cheaper and more authentic than actual Duran Duran
969652;1420697819;BingoBoingo;!up badon
969653;1420697830;BingoBoingo;DANCE INTO THE FIRE
969654;1420697837;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: know if anyone ever tried getting the thing to build in, e.g., Cint ?
969655;1420697839;asciilifeform;https://root.cern.ch/drupal/content/cint
969656;1420697840;assbot;CINT | ROOT ... ( http://bit.ly/1BC2W9b )
969657;1420697848;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7901 @ 0.00062869 = 4.9673 BTC [+]
969658;1420697895;ben_vulpes;not to the best of my knowledge, no.
969659;1420697896;asciilifeform;(there are several similar products)
969660;1420697909;ben_vulpes;what'd be the gain, asciilifeform?
969661;1420697916;asciilifeform;debug the only gain
969662;1420697916;BingoBoingo;Linked example though is exactly why world needs competent drunks.
969663;1420697922;asciilifeform;what other gain possible from such a thing
969664;1420697953;asciilifeform;the sad thing is,
969665;1420697954;ben_vulpes;my imagination is impoverished, asciilifeform. i know not what i know not.
969666;1420697965;asciilifeform;i actually got as far as to marshal most of the thing into my head
969667;1420698006;asciilifeform;but have no time to do the logical step of actually telling ben_vulpes, mod6, jurov, mircea_popescu 'which screw to turn'
969668;1420698027;ben_vulpes;which screw to turn to do what
969669;1420698042;ben_vulpes;the magic line what rips out bdb?
969670;1420698047;mircea_popescu;ah, the drama of building a new world with hands and however you call that little thing they mix mortar in
969671;1420698049;ben_vulpes;prevents memory leaks?
969672;1420698057;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: all of these things
969673;1420698074;ben_vulpes;magically condenses the codebase into something fathomable by mortals like i?
969674;1420698077;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: i believe: trowel
969675;1420698084;badon;thanks BingoBoingo
969676;1420698089;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: The hard problem I see if why you are right about UDP, mircea_popescu right about not signing everything, etc is that the new world is complicated. We aren't slaying mere aztecs anymoar
969677;1420698109;mircea_popescu;nah, round
969678;1420698134;ben_vulpes;cement mixer?!
969679;1420698143;*;BingoBoingo has round and square trowels in garage
969680;1420698145;asciilifeform;the funny thing is, that ben_vulpes almost certainly has considerably more truck with projects akin to the one in this thread, than i do
969681;1420698163;mircea_popescu;http://www.venusdsh.ro/assets/images/V1/13%20Zidarie/Cancioc/cancioc%20zidar.jpg << this item
969682;1420698164;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1zVPeJO )
969683;1420698165;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: But with custmers demanding lesser results
969684;1420698221;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: last i recall, he cranked out nozzle skirts for maneuvering jets, for someone or other
969685;1420698227;ben_vulpes;i'm having trouble imagining in which ways my mine work resembles spelunking through the satoshi codebase.
969686;1420698248;ben_vulpes;i've ne'er cranked out nozzles for anyone.
969687;1420698254;asciilifeform;damn, who was it then
969688;1420698259;*;asciilifeform dives into log
969689;1420698268;ben_vulpes;you exaggerate my accomplishments.
969690;1420698268;BingoBoingo;I mean it took a fuck ton of beating to get former classmates to recognize this https://twitter.com/aaronrogier/status/524368864692293634
969691;1420698270;assbot;We might use IRC in class next semester. That would be interesting.
969692;1420698346;ben_vulpes;asciilifeform: my professional slave time's been strictly constrained to cross-domain systems engineering in high-voltage wafer testing, machine shop engineering, production line automation and retarded "web" "technologies".
969693;1420698361;asciilifeform;aha, process man
969694;1420698379;ben_vulpes;consider the rocketry a undergrad's self indulgence, not too different from your lisp machine obsessions.
969695;1420698380;mircea_popescu;a mix not unlike "paralegal work, some pr, copywriting and sucking cock tied naked to bridges"
969696;1420698401;ben_vulpes;the f1's - similarly unressurectable.
969697;1420698442;ben_vulpes;the topologically similar jobs - as miserable as you'd no doubt find my current line of employ.
969698;1420698465;BingoBoingo;<mircea_popescu> a mix not unlike "paralegal work, some pr, copywriting and sucking cock tied naked to bridges" << OMG It's QNtra!!!
969699;1420698503;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: as for me, i mostly reverse-engineer things for money. but occasionally i build something to make other things more reverse-engineerable.
969700;1420698509;ben_vulpes;but go on asciilifeform, i wait nigh on tenterhooks to hear about how my slave time should qualify me for the satoshi codebase maintenance.
969701;1420698511;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: but i think i already described this onece
969702;1420698531;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: i used to do something like actual work, long ago.
969703;1420698537;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo time for qntra to have pictures ?
969704;1420698537;ben_vulpes;asciilifeform: once, twice...
969705;1420698549;BingoBoingo;<asciilifeform> aha, process man << I'm just maintaining a list of Loper machine prospects with insufficient chance of death before your complete demo.
969706;1420698562;mircea_popescu;o data... de mai multe ori... caci ce pot fi aceste garduri, decit cazute foste scari, decit cazute, foste garduri.
969707;1420698573;BingoBoingo;<mircea_popescu> BingoBoingo time for qntra to have pictures ? << It's had a couple... Why???
969708;1420698586;mircea_popescu;tied naked to bridges.
969709;1420698588;mircea_popescu;jeff bridges.
969710;1420698602;BingoBoingo;Rooster Cogburn himself?
969711;1420698619;ben_vulpes;<asciilifeform> aha, process man << testing, actually.
969712;1420698656;mircea_popescu;lol gurning bridges.
969713;1420698658;ben_vulpes;automation thereof and design of subsystems for machines performing high voltage wafer binning.
969714;1420698678;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: Because I may not like that it was a thing, but... True Grit was apparentlyt remade
969715;1420698691;ben_vulpes;a wealth of knowledge that would have doomed me to a life in the suburbs under buzzing "lights".
969716;1420698726;ben_vulpes;i...escaped.
969717;1420698727;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes will probably find it an interesting detail, that when i shopped around for certain parts for my pcb assembly apparatus, quite a few vendors turned up who offer bits'n'pieces of what was once the u.s. semiconductor industry
969718;1420698748;asciilifeform;in particular, very depressingly fragmented wafer inspection paraphernalia
969719;1420698760;asciilifeform;arms, lifts, cameras, the like.
969720;1420698763;mircea_popescu;heh
969721;1420698787;BingoBoingo;I mean John Wayne, original draft dodger
969722;1420698842;ben_vulpes;asciilifeform: not terribly. castoffs from the pre-production days are always looking for a good home.
969723;1420698881;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: ... to hear about how my slave time should qualify me for the satoshi codebase << ben_vulpes had better be qualified... just as artifexd had better be qualified for his part.
969724;1420698965;ben_vulpes;asciilifeform: you claim some sort of knowledge on how things i did once qualify me for things i do now. i'm curious to know what precisely you think qualifies me - on what sort of (shaky?) foundation those assumptions and guesses rest.
969725;1420699001;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: mainly things you have spoken of at various time, re: navigating some unspecified but very gnarly system for angry client
969726;1420699003;asciilifeform;if i recall
969727;1420699003;ben_vulpes;and further - what precisely you think my part is.
969728;1420699016;ben_vulpes;because i honestly don't think that you see it.
969729;1420699036;BingoBoingo;<asciilifeform> ben_vulpes: ... to hear about how my slave time should qualify me for the satoshi codebase << ben_vulpes had better be qualified... just as artifexd had better be qualified for his part. << I enjoy that unlike onions disqualifying contributions are illuminated. Because not over engineered.
969730;1420699038;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: i like to imagine that you'll get the thing into a shape where i can ask nubbins` to print it
969731;1420699053;BingoBoingo;unlike onions disqualifying contributions are illuminated. Because not over engineered.
969732;1420699054;BingoBoingo;<asciilifeform> ben_vulpes: i like to imagine that you'll get the thing into a shape where i can ask nubbins` to print it << This
969733;1420699118;BingoBoingo;One crack rock and a text file can test against an actual spec.
969734;1420699118;mircea_popescu;eh dun stress out.
969735;1420699138;ben_vulpes;asciilifeform: why focus on me, though?
969736;1420699149;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: because you're awake, lol
969737;1420699155;ben_vulpes;and i respond.
969738;1420699158;asciilifeform;aha
969739;1420699160;assbot;Last 4 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/3ZWDPJ1.txt )
969740;1420699160;BingoBoingo;!b 4
969741;1420699165;ben_vulpes;have i ever been aught but the court clown?
969742;1420699171;mircea_popescu;errything's getting done eventually. pretty much the only certainty of teh open model.
969743;1420699187;asciilifeform;some things even get done more than once!
969744;1420699190;asciilifeform;(deedbot ?)
969745;1420699224;mircea_popescu;that looks like it's getting done three times.
969746;1420699233;asciilifeform;quite possibly four.
969747;1420699251;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35550 @ 0.0006254 = 22.233 BTC [-] {2} 
969748;1420699262;BingoBoingo;Sometimes the simplest is the hardest.
969749;1420699332;BingoBoingo;Of all kakobrekla busted scams Garr should have busted first. But when fishing for gar you can catch more with cotton balls than hooks.
969750;1420700054;BingoBoingo;!up adlai
969751;1420700349;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19300 @ 0.0006314 = 12.186 BTC [+] {3} 
969752;1420701081;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13195 @ 0.00063623 = 8.3951 BTC [+] {2} 
969753;1420701203;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22600 @ 0.00065703 = 14.8489 BTC [+] {2} 
969754;1420701589;cazalla;mircea_popescu: I HAVE A GREY BEARD YO! <<< i noticed this.. while using tweezer to pluck the 10 or so grey hairs i began sporting this year, i thought well at least not as grey as mp
969755;1420701693;cazalla;undata: my gf tells me I talk about code in my sleep, so what's the difference <<< while asleep, i would chuck my pillow into the baby's crib, grab the beside lamp and bring it in the bed, wake up screaming to call an ambulance, shit like that, she doesn't really miss my sleeping in otherside of the house
969756;1420701752;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8041 @ 0.00064347 = 5.1741 BTC [-]
969757;1420702336;mircea_popescu;"The block index database will now hold headers for which no block is stored on disk, which earlier versions won't support."
969758;1420702337;mircea_popescu;heh.
969759;1420702491;BingoBoingo;Seriously what is wrong with data makes it into a block or data does not???
969760;1420702573;mircea_popescu;you don;t understand how the world works.
969761;1420702600;mircea_popescu;"The IsStandard() rules have been almost completely removed for P2SH redemption scripts"
969762;1420702646;BingoBoingo;Gavin only wants BTC to die so he can sleep quietly at night while animals enjoy Gavin's cardiac sashimi
969763;1420702661;mircea_popescu;and something tells me the new "optimized tx fee" code fingerprints the hell out of wallets/users.
969764;1420702671;mircea_popescu;if anyone's really bored feel free to look into the code.
969765;1420702695;BingoBoingo;Fucking Electrum fingerprints the hell out of users.
969766;1420702700;mircea_popescu;171ca77  estimatefee / estimatepriority RPC methods
969767;1420702795;BingoBoingo;If some mother fucker can't make a change address indistinguishable from a destination address...
969768;1420702807;BingoBoingo;They better address that problem nao.
969769;1420703216;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 221 @ 0.00491911 = 1.0871 BTC [+] {4} 
969770;1420703493;BingoBoingo;!up Graet
969771;1420704081;BingoBoingo;!up tsoulus
969772;1420704088;BingoBoingo;Hello tsoulus
969773;1420704314;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12350 @ 0.00063364 = 7.8255 BTC [-] {2} 
969774;1420704627;[]bot;Bet placed: 2.56695135 BTC for No on "Bitcoin to surpass Berkshire as an investment" http://bitbet.us/bet/786/ Odds: 27(Y):73(N) by coin, 46(Y):54(N) by weight. Total bet: 4095.0226947 BTC. Current weight: 11,228.
969775;1420705005;mircea_popescu;https://blockchain.info/address/1FundZy7m7b8begbh9haCguKJcAdFopRJ9 << lol check it out, teh foundation's slowly trickling in donations.
969776;1420705007;assbot;Bitcoin Address 1FundZy7m7b8begbh9haCguKJcAdFopRJ9 ... ( http://bit.ly/1HS3mtL )
969777;1420705008;mircea_popescu;mazel tov.
969778;1420705137;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo here's a simple fact : bitpay made what, 1% of less than 12mn in december ? that comes to... half what mpex made ?
969779;1420705143;mircea_popescu;and mpex didn't hjave to sponsor no ball game for it ?
969780;1420705163;mircea_popescu;add all the usg-side businesses together, see what you get. lotta hope, lotta hype, no receipts.
969781;1420705177;mircea_popescu;they can stand on their heads. money talks.
969782;1420705227;cazalla;i still wanna know how much fraud bitpay, coinbase etc are processing, they won't give me a clear cut response
969783;1420705241;mircea_popescu;how would they know ?
969784;1420705246;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: Well MPEx isn't paying $145/CPM
969785;1420705256;cazalla;http://dpaste.com/1G4QAVE
969786;1420705257;assbot;dpaste: 1G4QAVE ... ( http://bit.ly/1HS4KwB )
969787;1420705260;mircea_popescu;didn't coinbase recently change its tos to run up credit reports on users ?
969788;1420705268;cazalla;example of one fraud merchant who used bitpay to bilk people for at least a year lol
969789;1420705278;cazalla;mircea_popescu, been there for a while apparently
969790;1420705283;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: Old news. November, but they reserved the right earlier.
969791;1420705296;mircea_popescu;cazalla if you get enough of those together, that list + a "we don't wanna say" from bp/cb is good enough.
969792;1420705325;mircea_popescu;journalism is about collecting facts and giving the parties the *opportunity* to comment. they don't want to take it, silence belies guilt.
969793;1420705366;punkman;cazalla, how does bitpay merchant do fraud if only BTC incoming?
969794;1420705370;BingoBoingo;Well, yeah the idictments so far are a lot of qntra's meat.
969795;1420705397;*;BingoBoingo wants to see people
969796;1420705405;tsoulus;Hello BingoBoingo :)
969797;1420705411;BingoBoingo;'s odds on surrendering on blocksize by May
969798;1420705418;BingoBoingo;tsoulus: What brings you here?
969799;1420705451;tsoulus;Oh I'm just lurking about, had some interest in bitcoins for a while
969800;1420705465;cazalla;punkman, in the alpha technologies example, they are alleged to have used bitpay to cash out btc pre order money for their non-existent scrypt asics, all they needed to do was pay the rent on a shop front to get it going http://media.coindesk.com/2014/12/Dec-10-Alpha-Technology1700px-630x472.jpg
969801;1420705465;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1DoO8g7 )
969802;1420705466;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo nah, they don't have the time. gavin has to force it through rapidly, before blocks actually start regularly overflowing 1mn, because that's his only chance to get pools surrepetitiously mining v3 blocks while gavincoins not being massively doublespent.
969803;1420705490;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: There was a 50kb block Tonight!!!
969804;1420705494;BingoBoingo;No rush.
969805;1420705494;mircea_popescu;he's prolly aiming for putting it in by february, but won't actually have the tech resources to do it and rather than risk a total humiliatory blowout delay it to march
969806;1420705519;BingoBoingo;He has to take at least a year or the Chicoms will nevwer mine for his chain
969807;1420705522;mircea_popescu;ah, but it's not a matter of not being 50kb blocks.
969808;1420705529;mircea_popescu;there being any 7-800kb blocks is the problem
969809;1420705537;mircea_popescu;haha he doesn't have a year.
969810;1420705567;BingoBoingo;But he has to take a year, because I got Chicoms reading Stan!
969811;1420705576;mircea_popescu;and if he had a year, do you think he'd have spent xmas and new year's "filling his hdd with blocks" while i was on vacation ?
969812;1420705585;BingoBoingo;Yeah.
969813;1420705598;BingoBoingo;Why else was it Luke who visited and not him with results.
969814;1420705618;BingoBoingo;He filled his HDD with blocks in hopes that you'd stay gone
969815;1420705624;mircea_popescu;338019 731.52 338018 731.55 338017 731.62 338016 731.5 << last 4
969816;1420705629;mircea_popescu;it's not even clear he has till march.
969817;1420705685;BingoBoingo;I don't think he can propose until March, then Fork block before may.
969818;1420705711;mircea_popescu;1k txn is ~ 400kb. that means with a 800kb block that merely creating a 1k 1btc txn bundle will guarantee 50% separation on gavincoin chain.
969819;1420705713;BingoBoingo;Because... we know the people doing tx ping pong and filling up blocks
969820;1420705741;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo nah, fork block has to go in before end of march is what my numbers show.
969821;1420705750;mircea_popescu;otherwise he literally will not be able to protect the scamchain.
969822;1420705765;mircea_popescu;it is marginally possible everyone in his handler's office is retarded enough to not have seen this coming, of course.
969823;1420705769;BingoBoingo;Which... he can't do because torsion.
969824;1420705777;mircea_popescu;but i somehow don't like to think we're being opposed by people this thick.
969825;1420705821;cazalla;srs why not just nip it in the bud, check out my gardening series on the topic of nipping weeds in the bud https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WjwwVsSEXUo
969826;1420705823;assbot;Underbelly Season 2 - Les Kane Murder - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1HS7UAw )
969827;1420705835;mircea_popescu;cazalla if this ain't nipping in the bud what is ?
969828;1420705839;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20600 @ 0.00064464 = 13.2796 BTC [+] {2} 
969829;1420705861;mircea_popescu;i did leave them a splendid link to that great scene in miller's crossing, but i guess when you're an idiot it's easy to miss the more subtle messages.
969830;1420705893;mircea_popescu;this in case anyone wonders why i "have to" call gavin an idiot. same reason you have to beat the donkey. only way it groks.
969831;1420705906;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: If they could math gavin wouldn't have been derping recycled blocks in his hellchain
969832;1420705923;mircea_popescu;maybe not.
969833;1420705939;BingoBoingo;<mircea_popescu> this in case anyone wonders why i "have to" call gavin an idiot. same reason you have to beat the donkey. only way it groks. << People don't deal with donkeys, they make Abbos sell them mules.
969834;1420706045;mircea_popescu;cazalla srsly, who the fuck fires that many bullets ?
969835;1420706054;mircea_popescu;what is this, for people who never discarged a weapon /
969836;1420706065;cazalla;well, we can't have them in australia, so you know..
969837;1420706067;mircea_popescu;that thing, WITH AN ATENUATOR EVEN!!! is probably jammed to shit by now
969838;1420706082;mircea_popescu;five times over.
969839;1420706097;cazalla;my knowledge of discharging weapons extends to nothing more than rise of the triad and counterstrike
969840;1420706111;mircea_popescu;fucking derp from the lumber yard, you know, here's my machinegun drill. i drill all day with it. lalala.
969841;1420706112;cazalla;i was promised heat seaking missles and by god i will have them
969842;1420706185;BingoBoingo;<mircea_popescu> fucking derp from the lumber yard, you know, here's my machinegun drill. i drill all day with it. lalala. << I saw opposite discipline over Xmas. Cousin's family keeping the weapons safe within window line of sight
969843;1420706195;mircea_popescu;cazalla ok, well, here's some ideas : his ears would be bleeding ; his arms'd have fallen off as he holds that thing wrongly ; the heat transferred to the barrel is probably enough to melt it ; he's fired more bullet weight than the child.
969844;1420706251;cazalla;what did you expect? it's TV and booze, what else does a bogan from the bush have in australia?
969845;1420706252;mircea_popescu;minute an' a fucking half of full automatic fire, flames half meter high for crying out loud.
969846;1420706257;BingoBoingo;Worst part? his wife wanted to keep her pecan balls safe so unlocked the safe in a room full of everybody.
969847;1420706297;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo well maybe house was really small ?
969848;1420706300;BingoBoingo;<mircea_popescu> minute an' a fucking half of full automatic fire, flames half meter high for crying out loud. << What reasonable magazine takes 1 minute+ to discharge at full auto?
969849;1420706324;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: It was and furniture uncomfortably oversized. American maldesign at work
969850;1420706373;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo this one : http://i0.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/newsfeed/000/029/367/shipment-of-fail.jpg?1318992465
969851;1420706374;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1DoPN5o )
969852;1420706375;BingoBoingo;But seriously. Safe visible from exterior windows on 2 sides. Opsec fail.
969853;1420706452;BingoBoingo;His wife unlocks safe in occupied room, keypad uses phone dialtones for number keys...
969854;1420706468;mircea_popescu;at least not keeping btc in there.
969855;1420706492;mircea_popescu;but anyway, that's all the excitement i can take for today. later fellow cultists!
969856;1420706500;BingoBoingo;Nah, just a bunch of ARs and some 1911's
969857;1420709255;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28500 @ 0.00065038 = 18.5358 BTC [+] {2} 
969858;1420709804;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 41950 @ 0.00064828 = 27.1953 BTC [-] {3} 
969859;1420710526;cazalla;it might be thursday evening but still applies https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_A5CHEmTT5s
969860;1420710528;assbot;Whiskey On A Sunday , The Dubliners - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1s82NbB )
969861;1420710719;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22150 @ 0.0006425 = 14.2314 BTC [-]
969862;1420710842;BingoBoingo;!up mius
969863;1420710963;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23600 @ 0.00064885 = 15.3129 BTC [+] {2} 
969864;1420711444;BingoBoingo;!up badon
969865;1420711738;BingoBoingo;!up MetatronOne
969866;1420711966;BingoBoingo;!up adlai
969867;1420712099;BingoBoingo;!up davout
969868;1420712102;davout;ty
969869;1420712150;fluffypony;davout: how things going there? what's the atmosphere like?
969870;1420712208;davout;fluffypony: 21% O2, 79% N2
969871;1420712210;davout;roughly
969872;1420712218;fluffypony;hah
969873;1420712219;fluffypony;touché
969874;1420712219;davout;1003 hPa
969875;1420712266;davout;the earlier convo about gossipd was pretty interesting
969876;1420712305;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23900 @ 0.0006649 = 15.8911 BTC [+] {3} 
969877;1420712354;davout;also what's with the multiple implementations of the notary thing?
969878;1420712386;BingoBoingo;davout: Apparently punkman strayed when MP took Vacay
969879;1420712449;davout;i saw that when i tried to explore this deeds thing, but i also understood (from a log bit I can't seem to find) that the thing has been/is being re-implented two or three times
969880;1420712506;BingoBoingo;"Growing Pains" could be worse. at least it isn't "Harry and the Hendersons"
969881;1420712642;cazalla;where is that vexual jukebox when ya need it
969882;1420712694;BingoBoingo;Dealing with warts?
969883;1420713038;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27889 @ 0.00064843 = 18.0841 BTC [-] {2} 
969884;1420713525;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5450 @ 0.00067205 = 3.6627 BTC [+]
969885;1420714098;BingoBoingo;mircea_popecu / hanbot https://twitter.com/Beautyon_ is prolly going to try to navigate Freenode and contact you while I sleep. If they disappoint... My bad.
969886;1420714100;assbot;Beautyon (@Beautyon_) | Twitter ... ( http://bit.ly/1BCTxOD )
969887;1420714249;BingoBoingo;!up davout
969888;1420714306;davout;BingoBoingo: ty! the beautyon guy has been around for a while iirc
969889;1420714390;cazalla;has he not been here before? notice he tweets a lot
969890;1420714391;BingoBoingo;Indeed, but not really on IRC much.
969891;1420714515;BingoBoingo;Still it's worth giving people with something to say directions to a place they can matter.
969892;1420714516;davout;isn't wotted
969893;1420714518;cazalla;well, he just retweeted this, might be useful one day l ol https://twitter.com/XHNews/status/553134314636853248
969894;1420714520;assbot;Best son? 7-year-old boy rides tricycle carrying his drunken father home in Yizhou city, Guangxi, Jan.6 (web) http://t.co/L5Xu2jJyiX
969895;1420714544;davout;cazalla: where do i purchase this child
969896;1420714580;cazalla;maybe beautyon will reveal
969897;1420715599;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6300 @ 0.0006425 = 4.0478 BTC [-]
969898;1420715904;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8800 @ 0.00065049 = 5.7243 BTC [+]
969899;1420717734;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5800 @ 0.00065049 = 3.7728 BTC [+]
969900;1420718405;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 36800 @ 0.00064356 = 23.683 BTC [-] {5} 
969901;1420719686;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17500 @ 0.00063749 = 11.1561 BTC [-]
969902;1420720052;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19000 @ 0.00063431 = 12.0519 BTC [-] {2} 
969903;1420720662;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10570 @ 0.00063218 = 6.6821 BTC [-] {2} 
969904;1420721089;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13034 @ 0.00063042 = 8.2169 BTC [-]
969905;1420721455;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22400 @ 0.00064601 = 14.4706 BTC [+]
969906;1420721882;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29650 @ 0.00065402 = 19.3917 BTC [+] {3} 
969907;1420721943;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21400 @ 0.00065734 = 14.0671 BTC [+] {2} 
969908;1420722247;cazalla;helen keller can see better than me right now lol
969909;1420722309;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 1274 @ 0.00084137 = 1.0719 BTC [+] {9} 
969910;1420722431;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27600 @ 0.00063042 = 17.3996 BTC [-]
969911;1420722656;cazalla;Gavin talks of times of peace for all, and then prepare for war (fork). https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZlKnUfGvCJg
969912;1420722658;assbot;Midnight Oil - Blossom & Blood - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1wYf26c )
969913;1420722742;nubbins`;maybe btc foundation should blow its budget on spinning up ec2 instances running patched 0.5.3 8)
969914;1420723477;cazalla;may i recommend a step by step tutorial for the borderline retarded such as myself who have the resources but not the know how to run it, provide a step by step diy and it will grow
969915;1420723565;cazalla;even Shredder needed the foot
969916;1420723680;TomServo;awww, herbi stopped by
969917;1420723843;cazalla;my hand is always down my pants... guilt guilt guilt.. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KQMK5izEtHI
969918;1420723845;assbot;Magic Dirt  - Plastic Loveless Letter (Official Video) - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1wYjYb6 )
969919;1420723853;cazalla;gimme that vexual jukebox lol
969920;1420724033;cazalla;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kedWD4bWhwQ
969921;1420724035;assbot;Magic Dirt - Anita's Miracle Suntan Lotion (live in Townsville) - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1wYkEgI )
969922;1420724101;cazalla;adalita is soooo dreamy lulz
969923;1420724193;cazalla;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eYqKlwSyhPw
969924;1420724195;assbot;Magic Dirt - Dirty Jeans (Official Video) - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/14yNfDF )
969925;1420724323;cazalla;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iaHunC5AU-s
969926;1420724324;assbot;Magic Dirt - All My Crushes (Official Video) - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1wYlKZM )
969927;1420724374;cazalla;"When you're finished being self-obsessed..Then let me know..All my crushes are about you"
969928;1420724411;cazalla;Well I feel like an android after I cut off all of my hair
969929;1420724418;cazalla;When you're not there
969930;1420724424;cazalla;All my crushes are about you
969931;1420724450;cazalla;Watch me weightless
969932;1420724453;cazalla;I get nervous and have a cigarette
969933;1420724481;cazalla;Watch me weightless, I think for less so I can love you more  , Suddenly every jumper I fold fills with your torso, And I hold it, And I hold it, And I hold it , And I hold it,
969934;1420724688;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8162 @ 0.00063935 = 5.2184 BTC [+]
969935;1420724711;cazalla;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mHbTii41pUI
969936;1420724713;assbot;Magic Dirt - Pristine Christine (Recovery) 1996 - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/14yOFOd )
969937;1420724880;cazalla;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WS-59c1LAYE
969938;1420724882;assbot;Magic Dirt - Ice - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1wYnUZq )
969939;1420724983;punkman;here you go cazalla https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YsbrRAgv1b4
969940;1420724984;assbot;Sibelius Violin Concerto - Maxim Vengerov, Daniel Barenboim, Chicago S.O. (CSO) - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1wYokz0 )
969941;1420725053;cazalla;not gonna neck myself to that
969942;1420725526;cazalla;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E22gszljklc all one ever wanted was option to burn own house down without police turning up to arrest, maybe grow some veg/fruit before dying, can't even do that these days down under, clinging to RMS Bitcoin.. sometimes wonder if better to jump overboard into ice water and be done with it
969943;1420725528;assbot;And The Band Played Waltzing Matilda ~ John Williamson - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/14yQQBz )
969944;1420725540;cazalla;i am fucking over it
969945;1420725578;cazalla;i am very upset over this fork talk
969946;1420725610;cazalla;like a heaven's gate inductee
969947;1420725660;cazalla;these fucking mongrels
969948;1420725673;cazalla;my own grand parents came here wiht less 60 yuears ago
969949;1420725678;[]bot;Bet placed: 1401.95203057 BTC for No on "Bitcoin to surpass Berkshire as an investment" http://bitbet.us/bet/786/ Odds: 20(Y):80(N) by coin, 43(Y):57(N) by weight. Total bet: 5496.97472527 BTC. Current weight: 11,155.
969950;1420725684;cazalla;and their own grandchildren have fucking less
969951;1420725704;cazalla;it doesn't matter how hard one workss
969952;1420725721;cazalla;i want their fucking heads
969953;1420725776;mike_c;there's another 14 btc for bitbet investors.  maybe this bet will spark a rally in the stock.
969954;1420725795;cazalla;you would never think in one's own life time that you would see everything you were told was australia, go down the fucking drain
969955;1420725844;cazalla;may as well have never fucking come here
969956;1420725855;jurov;mike_c dividend payments on mpex are unpredictable
969957;1420725879;mike_c;hehe.  it works out for long term holders :)  risky for short term players.
969958;1420725989;cazalla;it all shrinks, i grew up visiting my opa's backyard on the weekends, spending week days in my own parent's smaller backyard, what do i have for my own son? next to fucking nothing, no-one has kids, no-one has familiies, no-one can afford shit, land of opportunity my fucking ass
969959;1420726110;cazalla;how in the fuck does a pennyles german come here 65 years ago and build more in a decade or two than his own grandchildren could hope to build in a life time
969960;1420726762;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13236 @ 0.0006576 = 8.704 BTC [+]
969961;1420727433;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 32467 @ 0.00063752 = 20.6984 BTC [-] {2} 
969962;1420728287;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14250 @ 0.00062438 = 8.8974 BTC [-] {3} 
969963;1420728307;thestringpuller;pete_dushenski pay your bill
969964;1420728501;thestringpuller;how in the fuck does a pennyles german come here 65 years ago  and build more in a decade or two than his own grandchildren  could hope to build in a life time << a phenomenon bitcoin will see as supply slowly decreases
969965;1420728834;thestringpuller;cazalla: http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/2rnxw6/old_post_saying_the_bitstamp_hack_was_coming/ << i think i can confirm this
969966;1420729071;thestringpuller;!s random.org
969967;1420729072;assbot;1 results for 'random.org' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=random.org
969968;1420729080;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12334 @ 0.00063704 = 7.8573 BTC [+] {2} 
969969;1420729125;thestringpuller;asciilifeform: is the process described on random.org viable?
969970;1420730268;nubbins`;how much was your grandfather's monthly cell phone and internet bill
969971;1420730471;nubbins`;also mildly curious to know how much time your grandfather spent on irc shooting the shit and complaining about how shitty his wife was
969972;1420731825;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4850 @ 0.00064356 = 3.1213 BTC [+]
969973;1420731831;asciilifeform;thestringpuller: https://www.random.org/faq/#Q1.3 (and esp. no. 4) - decide for yourself
969974;1420731833;assbot;RANDOM.ORG - Frequently Asked Questions (FAQ) ... ( http://bit.ly/1IvehIh )
969975;1420731905;asciilifeform;nubbins`: as if modern broke folks got this way through blowing fortune on phone & bandwidth
969976;1420731912;nubbins`;8)
969977;1420731917;asciilifeform;nubbins`: or as if ancestors did not whine in pubs rather than irc
969978;1420731976;nubbins`;as if those from all times would not rather bellyache than do something to improve their situation
969979;1420732017;asciilifeform;nubbins`: what would you suggest he ought to be doing ?
969980;1420732113;asciilifeform;a: 'orcs came and burned my village to the ground' b: 'shuddup, enough whinging, do something to improve yer lot'
969981;1420732313;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29100 @ 0.0006438 = 18.7346 BTC [+] {2} 
969982;1420732468;TomServo;http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2015/01/judge-govt-can-show-murder-for-hire-evidence-in-silk-road-trial/
969983;1420732469;assbot;Judge: Gov’t can show murder-for-hire evidence in Silk Road trial | Ars Technica ... ( http://bit.ly/1Ivgkfv )
969984;1420732469;nubbins`;i guess i should suggest he just keeps on sluggin'
969985;1420732479;nubbins`;cheer up, kiddo, things'll turn around
969986;1420732490;TomServo;some SR case updates, nudge nudge qntra
969987;1420732498;nubbins`;you screw enough toothpaste caps, boy, they're sure to notice
969988;1420732924;nubbins`;maybe one of these years, on one of your 10 vacation days, you can go to the lock store and buy the deluxe padlock for the cage you've been slowly building around yourself
969989;1420733061;nubbins`;surely your mind will be put at ease then
969990;1420733350;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11603 @ 0.00064991 = 7.5409 BTC [+] {2} 
969991;1420733708;TomServo;!up davout
969992;1420733711;TomServo;!up mircea_popescu
969993;1420733719;mircea_popescu;why ty
969994;1420733724;*;TomServo tips hat.
969995;1420733757;mircea_popescu;o hey you got a hat ?! cool!
969996;1420733811;mircea_popescu;lol so apparently moar ddos attempts overnight.
969997;1420733821;mircea_popescu;did it actually do anything ?
969998;1420734151;asciilifeform;http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2015/01/bitcoin-investor-who-renounced-us-citizenship-now-cant-get-back-in << lol, i somehow missed that he was once famous for bootleg fireworks
969999;1420734152;assbot;Bitcoin investor who renounced US citizenship now can’t get back in | Ars Technica ... ( http://bit.ly/1Ivl4BW )
970000;1420734174;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform it's been discussed even in log a few times.
970001;1420734191;asciilifeform;hm
970002;1420734207;*;asciilifeform is evidently not the proverbial alert reader
970003;1420734273;mircea_popescu;anyway, the guy claims he was shremed and it's all okay.
970004;1420734283;mircea_popescu;obviously, he was being his usual retarded self, only younger.
970005;1420734326;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27200 @ 0.00065122 = 17.7132 BTC [+]
970006;1420734363;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: why would anyone buy the st kitts passport described in the article? 400k usd would get you a fairly comfortable 2 yrs in Ar or the like (or however long it takes there to get passported)
970007;1420734424;mircea_popescu;obviously, he was being his usual retarded self.
970008;1420734470;mircea_popescu;for the record, for the unassuming individual capable of normal socialisation (ie, score a gf if one wants a gf) about 1k usd a year is plenty in argentina.
970009;1420734494;mircea_popescu;would have been enough for the rest of his life.
970010;1420734524;asciilifeform;retarded, sure. just wondered if there was some actual plus to the st kitts thing. because i distinctly recall that 'passports of convenience' are mostly good as wall decorations and nothing more.
970011;1420734542;mircea_popescu;also, the passports in question don't ever cost that much. he's pulling a kakobrekla's car trick on the value of bitcoin that could have been. by the same measure, his donated hundreds of millions of dollars to the scam foundation.
970012;1420734563;mircea_popescu;except he did that at a time when they were worth cents to the dollar, and they're long gone.
970013;1420734592;mircea_popescu;i dunno that there's anything but comic relief in keeping track of ver's activities.
970014;1420734653;asciilifeform;1k usd !?!
970015;1420734672;thestringpuller;mircea_popescu: so apparently being caught selling too many BTC here in the states carries a higher sentence than dealing drugs
970016;1420734680;mircea_popescu;you know, the original somethingawful/buttcoin threads about how bitcoiners are mentally retarded didn't come out of pure malice. they came out of the simple fact of the matter : the early people involved are struggling with severe mental disabilities.
970017;1420734693;asciilifeform;what does that buy, a sack of rice and a monk's cell somewhere in a boiler room ?
970018;1420734711;mircea_popescu;thestringpuller doing anything out of the ordinary carries a higher sentence than everything else in there, you've not noticed yet ?
970019;1420734724;thestringpuller;Perhaps the movie about asciilifeform and young buck thestringpuller teaming up to sell BTC as gangstas runnin the street will become a reality
970020;1420734729;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform people aren't as fixated on things anglos are fixated on here.
970021;1420734732;mircea_popescu;you can just live with her.
970022;1420734784;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform lemme tell you a story that will illustrate this point.
970023;1420734888;mircea_popescu;so when i first landed here i kept a hotel room for about a week. my across the hall neighbour was this ukrainian dude. we met in the elevator and well, at the time the ukr stuff was just blowing up and so i was curious, and he was as happy as anything to speak to someone... wise.
970024;1420734913;mircea_popescu;this guy was never sober. literally. you know what i mean, that drunk functionality of the hardcore ukrainian ?
970025;1420734926;TomServo;!up irdial
970026;1420734939;thestringpuller;;;echo
970027;1420734941;thestringpuller;;;ls
970028;1420735171;TomServo;Pretty minor gripe but, "under a regulation that requires he prove his intent to depart the U.S." - how does one prove that?
970029;1420735202;TomServo;"No - see, my calendar says I have a dentist appt back home in 2 weeks so I'll definitely be gone."
970030;1420735228;mircea_popescu;TomServo really, he's being about as dumb as nefario.
970031;1420735243;mircea_popescu;that's always been there, for foreigners, which people who renounce a citizenship become.
970032;1420735255;mircea_popescu;it is customarily shown by a) substantial assets and b) family ties.
970033;1420735343;mircea_popescu;the uncomfortable reality that he has neither is obviously something he's not willing to confront, and so it has to be about how bad teh us customs & immigration is.
970034;1420735440;mircea_popescu;now, it's all fine and dandy to all agree on how teh us is the empire of evil. however, the notion that they'd err on the side of not letting anyone in is plain ridoinculous.
970035;1420735490;mircea_popescu;i had no problem getting romania's like i dunno, 3rd ? 10 year visa fifteen years ago when i actually wanted one. notwithstanding that romania was you know, a sort of ukraine in 2025, and notwithstanding that bush was in charge.
970036;1420735509;mircea_popescu;what, obama strengthened the border ? gimme a break.
970037;1420735532;TomServo;Sure - with you there, it just seems incredibly hard to really 'prove' intent to leave.
970038;1420735557;mircea_popescu;because "i own a hotel in mali, wtf do i want with your stinkhole" is not good enough ?
970039;1420735558;thestringpuller;whoa mircea_popescu is from the future
970040;1420735559;thestringpuller;i knew it
970041;1420735734;mircea_popescu;thestringpuller just some futures.
970042;1420735841;mircea_popescu;cazalla: may i recommend a step by step tutorial for the borderline retarded such as myself who have the resources but not the know how to run it, provide a step by step diy and it will grow << he has a point there, ben & mod6
970043;1420735892;TomServo;irdial: https://twitter.com/beautyon_ that you?
970044;1420735894;assbot;Beautyon (@Beautyon_) | Twitter ... ( http://bit.ly/1IvrIIc )
970045;1420735917;irdial;Yes it is.
970046;1420735940;mircea_popescu;o hey. how goes irdial
970047;1420735948;TomServo;irdial: cool, welcome
970048;1420735968;irdial;Greets, it goes well...
970049;1420735974;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27067 @ 0.00063823 = 17.275 BTC [-] {2} 
970050;1420736345;mircea_popescu;not only will IT grow, but the diy capabilities of the right people will grow, which is significantly more valuable.
970051;1420736400;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15500 @ 0.00064054 = 9.9284 BTC [+]
970052;1420736616;TomServo;Is there a preferred platform?
970053;1420736754;TomServo;!up danielpbarron
970054;1420736781;danielpbarron;irdial, lol you block me for telling you about this place and now here you are!
970055;1420736827;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16715 @ 0.00064802 = 10.8317 BTC [+] {2} 
970056;1420736878;mike_c;!up irdial
970057;1420736878;mircea_popescu;TomServo just as long as it works. i imagine nubbins` ec idea is pretty good.
970058;1420736890;mircea_popescu;make a container or w/e they call it, just have people run it.
970059;1420736929;mircea_popescu;danielpbarron couldn't have been for that reason, i recall the guy following me on twitter, back before the antonoderp murder.
970060;1420736929;thestringpuller;ben_vulpes: would like that idea
970061;1420736932;thestringpuller;him and his docker
970062;1420736980;danielpbarron;https://twitter.com/danielpbarron/statuses/514417197108957184 << this is the last thing i tweeted at him before he blocked me
970063;1420736982;assbot;Daniel P. Barron on Twitter: "@Beautyon_ Unless you're in the #WebOfTrust, you aren't a "real person." It doesn't matter what your "needs" are. http://t.co/zu7UA4VkBd" ... ( http://bit.ly/1yFD5NV )
970064;1420736987;mike_c;given irdial's apparent hatred of kyc it seems like this is a good place to be.
970065;1420737004;TomServo;!up undata
970066;1420737007;undata;:) thanks
970067;1420737013;mike_c;except he can't talk
970068;1420737040;TomServo;!up irdial
970069;1420737042;TomServo;sorry, missed that
970070;1420737058;mike_c;can't wait for gribble to come home.
970071;1420737066;thestringpuller;what if gribble never comes home
970072;1420737070;undata;is there an alternate auth route?
970073;1420737078;thestringpuller;altgribble but kako doesn't use that
970074;1420737109;*;undata read the gossipd logs; maybe that will have to save us
970075;1420737139;mike_c;somebody send artifexd more coffee
970076;1420737148;artifexd;Why?
970077;1420737156;TomServo;I don't think that'll happen soon enough.  Maybe a modified ircd with a bolted on gribble in the meantime?
970078;1420737162;undata;I actually just gave the stuff up (again)
970079;1420737165;mike_c;aren't you writing gossipd? we need it yesterday :)
970080;1420737170;undata;I find I have more alertness throughout the day without
970081;1420737241;mircea_popescu;<mike_c> can't wait for gribble to come home. << i dun think gribble is coming back. if it were, i wouldn't trust it.
970082;1420737248;mircea_popescu;replacement is being spun up as we speak.
970083;1420737261;undata;mircea_popescu: ah, did an operator disappear along with gribble?
970084;1420737263;TomServo;no shit?
970085;1420737267;mircea_popescu;no shit.
970086;1420737286;mircea_popescu;yes, nano's not been heard from, the only reasonable assumption is something asciilifeform'd say.
970087;1420737295;mircea_popescu;well... perhaps reasonable's not the right word. safe.
970088;1420737306;mircea_popescu;the only unreasonably safe assumption.
970089;1420737317;mike_c;well, you took a few weeks off and we still trust you
970090;1420737321;mircea_popescu;i announced it.
970091;1420737323;mike_c;true
970092;1420737335;mircea_popescu;and infrastructure didn't fail meanwhile, with no word.
970093;1420737346;thestringpuller;damn nanotube has let us down :(
970094;1420737348;TomServo;folks in otc are claiming it's a planned absence, I haven't seen anything specific though.
970095;1420737354;mircea_popescu;me either.
970096;1420737366;thestringpuller;yea no blog post or anything
970097;1420737385;mike_c;so.. this is when assbot officially takes over the world then.
970098;1420737390;mircea_popescu;im pretty sure that in realpolitik terms this was the more important use of gribble.
970099;1420737406;mircea_popescu;what with all the stuff being build atop it and so on.
970100;1420737528;undata;clearly the guy had to be stopped... he was running an irc channel!
970101;1420737549;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: what about RagnarDanneskjol 's allegation ?
970102;1420737557;mircea_popescu;what was that ?
970103;1420737566;asciilifeform;(that nanotube went off on vacation, and spoke to him thus)
970104;1420737606;*;asciilifeform hasn't the faintest notion of this being true or false
970105;1420737661;mircea_popescu;i don't know that guy is anybody, outside of social engineering everyone. he doesn't have a rating from nano, the notion they know each other is improbable on the face, and if in fact this were a job you'd fully expect a bunch of unknowns talking authoritatively in such manner.
970106;1420737666;mircea_popescu;so i am making of it exactly nothing.
970107;1420737706;asciilifeform;aha, he will be 'on vacation' until shows up rolled in a cage through wash.,d.c streets.
970108;1420737743;*;mircea_popescu shrugs. either way, that pie's cooked.
970109;1420737750;asciilifeform;http://chron.eduhmao.ru/img_1_10_1_5.jpeg
970110;1420737751;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1DCn4Hz )
970111;1420737770;TomServo;It'll be interesting if gribble returns after a replacement is spun up.
970112;1420737779;TomServo;Pre-forkwar fork war?
970113;1420737793;mircea_popescu;interesting, how ?
970114;1420737808;TomServo;How that plays out.
970115;1420737818;mircea_popescu;gribble is only relevant in this channel by specific inclusion from assbot. once it lost that, it lost it.
970116;1420737831;mircea_popescu;an it just lost it.
970117;1420737905;kakobrekla;http://dpaste.com/1HTSV2Q.txt
970118;1420737906;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1DCnMVg )
970119;1420737909;mircea_popescu;maybe if it convincingly performs for a while the two wots can be bridged later on (how such a thing could be done in principle has been discussed a few times) and that'll be a great step towards de facto decentralization with central servers and that's that.
970120;1420737941;mircea_popescu;kakobrekla aha kay.
970121;1420738065;thestringpuller;mircea_popescu: just need to trust the maintainers of the gatekeepers into the WoT
970122;1420738203;mircea_popescu;if there's multiples lying becomes that more difficult and less valuable anyway.
970123;1420738345;mircea_popescu;but, fair warning to the ones still left inside the beast : nano, prior to his vacation, was a law abiding economy teacher, a bright kid and a very loyal and honorable fellow all around.
970124;1420738364;mircea_popescu;if anyone asks me, i'd rather see as few of these vacations as possible.
970125;1420738433;kakobrekla;if the bot werent down nobody would have noticed
970126;1420738464;asciilifeform;assuming 'vacation' - at least he pulled the pin, rather than allowed the motherland to pass into enemy hands
970127;1420738488;mircea_popescu;yeah, if the bot weren't down nobody would have noticed.
970128;1420738510;mircea_popescu;unsung heroes, that's exactly it. "if the bot weren't down nobody would have noticed".
970129;1420738513;mircea_popescu;should be a verse somewhere.
970130;1420738526;kakobrekla;lol fuck what have i done.
970131;1420738538;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: verse somewhere -- actually, it is: '...отряд не заметил потери бойца.'
970132;1420738557;mircea_popescu;quite
970133;1420738963;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10750 @ 0.00064678 = 6.9529 BTC [-]
970134;1420739470;ben_vulpes;<cazalla> [] may i recommend a step by step tutorial for the borderline retarded such as myself who have the resources but not the know how to run it, provide a step by step diy and it will grow << grand idea
970135;1420739511;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 30040 @ 0.00005 = 1.502 BTC [-] {12} 
970136;1420739603;mod6;i was just looking back at that myself ben_vulpes
970137;1420739618;mod6;I have written a guide on how to patch the reference implementation.  is that one too complex?
970138;1420739678;mod6;http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2014-December/000025.html
970139;1420739679;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1FuBJcw )
970140;1420739703;*;asciilifeform still finds the image peculiar, of nanotube having advanced warning of his 'vacation'
970141;1420739722;asciilifeform;unless it actually started as a vacation
970142;1420739756;mod6;I've walked through that guide with a guy locally here, and there are a few minor changes that I need to make to it this month.  I'll get to it when I can, but mostly, it's exactly what you need.  Aside from installing the dependancies.
970143;1420739815;mod6;you basically need to do these for that:
970144;1420739819;mod6;(on debian 6):
970145;1420739820;mod6;sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get -y upgrade
970146;1420739820;mod6;sudo apt-get install -y build-essential libssl-dev libdb4.8-dev libdb4.8++-dev libboost-all-dev wget git
970147;1420739844;mod6;i left that out of the guide as I don't wish to presume which environment it should be built on.
970148;1420739909;mod6;but currently, that's what we're testing on.  i have an medium ec2 instance im testing on, and a few other smaller vm's.
970149;1420739990;mod6;If anyone wants to write a more user-friendly how-to as opposed to what I have already written, by all means!
970150;1420741309;asciilifeform;!s tc-play
970151;1420741310;assbot;0 results for 'tc-play' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=tc-play
970152;1420741318;asciilifeform;https://github.com/bwalex/tc-play
970153;1420741319;assbot;bwalex/tc-play · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1FuKLqa )
970154;1420741331;asciilifeform;^ no comment on quality or even whether it works at all
970155;1420741398;*;asciilifeform noticed recently that there are suspiciously many claimed 'plug in replacements' for truecrypt bouncing around
970156;1420741446;asciilifeform;(they appear to consist largely of the same two or three things, with slight variations)
970157;1420742195;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 1655 @ 0.00088212 = 1.4599 BTC [+] {5} 
970158;1420742306;thestringpuller;hi hanbot
970159;1420742429;artifexd;!up hanbot
970160;1420742457;artifexd;Nope. Can't do it.
970161;1420742635;mod6;!up hanbot
970162;1420742710;thestringpuller;lol mod6's connection has outlasted everyone
970163;1420742714;thestringpuller;its like those slumber parties
970164;1420742723;thestringpuller;where you try to stay up all night
970165;1420742733;thestringpuller;as a kid
970166;1420742745;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8242 @ 0.00064637 = 5.3274 BTC [-] {2} 
970167;1420742784;mod6;:]
970168;1420743080;cazalla;apologies for the diarrheatic driblee. back to bed, needed that water
970169;1420743174;thestringpuller;cazalla: feel better
970170;1420743179;thestringpuller;:D
970171;1420743180;thestringpuller;oh see pm
970172;1420743413;asciilifeform;^ deliberate experiment ?
970173;1420743445;asciilifeform;or fleanode flea bite.
970174;1420743642;ben_vulpes;o hey a magic string
970175;1420743808;mod6;cazalla: The Bitcoin Foundation will commit to publishing a "follow along at home install guide" with the first the signed first release.
970176;1420743827;mod6;Thanks for calling that to our attention.
970177;1420744269;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29005 @ 0.00063272 = 18.352 BTC [+]
970178;1420744503;mod6;!up hanbot
970179;1420745952;thestringpuller;turn up!
970180;1420745963;thestringpuller;!turnup
970181;1420746077;kakobrekla;https://twitter.com/nejc_kodric/status/552861244714405891
970182;1420746079;assbot;We are fully rebuilding our systems from the ground up so that customers can use /Bitstamp with full confidence and trust.
970183;1420746139;kakobrekla;https://twitter.com/nejc_kodric/status/553260340411379714
970184;1420746141;assbot;Working alongside the team from San Francisco, progress towards redeployment is strong. Huge thank you to for your confidence and patience.
970185;1420746168;kakobrekla;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=07-01-2015#968841 ftr.
970186;1420746168;assbot;Logged on 07-01-2015 19:06:06; kakobrekla: btw bitstamp is moving operations to us (prolly sf).
970187;1420746319;TomServo;https://twitter.com/BryanMicon/status/552965944239480832
970188;1420746320;assbot;Thanks for your patience and sorry for any confusion.
970189;1420746351;TomServo;@nejc_kodric glglglgl getting @Bitstamp back online.
970190;1420746354;TomServo;I have said publicly that no, this wasn't @MtGox 2.0 and you aren't @MagicalTux 2.0
970191;1420746385;TomServo;-Bryan (don't make me Ver 2.0) Micon
970192;1420746388;TomServo;:D
970193;1420746404;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9100 @ 0.00062566 = 5.6935 BTC [-]
970194;1420746587;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 67995 @ 0.00062973 = 42.8185 BTC [+] {2} 
970195;1420747304;mike_c;hehe.  Jan. 6 "24-48 hrs".  Jan. 8 "Progress is strong!"
970196;1420747318;mike_c;Jan. 10 "Fuck, I don't know, stop asking"
970197;1420747406;TomServo;!up Mashuri
970198;1420747435;Mashuri;Hi Tom
970199;1420747439;TomServo;Ahoy
970200;1420747463;mod6;https://imgflip.com/i/g5vn6
970201;1420747464;assbot;Imgflip ... ( http://bit.ly/14vjFxZ )
970202;1420747558;thestringpuller;mike_c: Jan. 23rd we're getting there.
970203;1420747561;Mashuri;Thanks for the !up but I'm just lurking.  I have a WoT account if needed for later. :)
970204;1420747624;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12800 @ 0.00064029 = 8.1957 BTC [+]
970205;1420747991;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17664 @ 0.0006274 = 11.0824 BTC [-] {2} 
970206;1420748792;ben_vulpes;http://truth-out.org/news/item/28390-deep-questions-arise-over-portland-s-corporate-water-takeover << rot in the local socialist paradise begins to creep to the surface
970207;1420748794;assbot;Deep Questions Arise Over Portland's Corporate Water Takeover ... ( http://bit.ly/1DqrkNf )
970208;1420749027;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 73946 @ 0.00064755 = 47.8837 BTC [+] {3} 
970209;1420749271;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29274 @ 0.00065077 = 19.0506 BTC [+] {2} 
970210;1420749307;TomServo;!up mnmx
970211;1420749467;TomServo;ben_vulpes: was it portland where they were fining people for catching rainwater?
970212;1420749914;thestringpuller;TomServo: http://cnsnews.com/news/article/man-sentenced-30-days-catching-rain-water-own-property-enters-jail
970213;1420749926;thestringpuller;enjoi
970214;1420750015;TomServo;thestringpuller: thanks
970215;1420750248;mike_c;wtf.  bitbet has gone insanse
970216;1420750257;mike_c;*insane!
970217;1420750280;mike_c;is this new "1 week buffer from event" copy now standard practice?
970218;1420750351;mike_c;betting early on bitbets makes sense and betting late makes sense.  you are cutting out 50% of the time it makes good sense to bet.
970219;1420750359;TomServo;!up jborkl
970220;1420750414;asciilifeform;http://academia.stackexchange.com/questions/35154/whether-to-tell-his-prospective-employer-that-a-new-male-post-doc-opposes-affirm << found this by pure accident. linking here just for mircea_popescu's butterfly collection.
970221;1420750416;assbot;postdocs - Whether to tell his prospective employer that a new male post doc opposes affirmative action for women in academia? - Academia Stack Exchange ... ( http://bit.ly/1DqvrZA )
970222;1420751034;ben_vulpes;not in portland, TomServo. here, they tax you for runoff.
970223;1420751093;jborkl;Hello everyone
970224;1420751125;fluffypony;A O RIVER
970225;1420751134;fluffypony;sorry, instinctive reaction.
970226;1420751345;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18935 @ 0.00065079 = 12.3227 BTC [+]
970227;1420751711;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7050 @ 0.00065079 = 4.5881 BTC [+]
970228;1420751912;BingoBoingo;<asciilifeform> aha, he will be 'on vacation' until shows up rolled in a cage through wash.,d.c streets. << I believe it is the "Southern District of Manhattan" nao
970229;1420752145;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=08-01-2015#970123
970230;1420752145;assbot;Logged on 08-01-2015 17:32:25; mircea_popescu: but, fair warning to the ones still left inside the beast : nano, prior to his vacation, was a law abiding economy teacher, a bright kid and a very loyal and honorable fellow all around.
970231;1420752175;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: not that richilieu couldn't cough up the proverbial 'six lines by the hand of the honest man'
970232;1420752186;BingoBoingo;Naturally
970233;1420752232;BingoBoingo;!up irdial
970234;1420752289;jurov;http://phys.org/news/2015-01-super-insulated-indoor.html had to double check it isn't the onion
970235;1420752290;assbot;Super-insulated clothing could eliminate need for indoor heating ... ( http://bit.ly/1xWee8S )
970236;1420752305;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: if -otc weren't as dead as it appears to have been for the past year or two, i imagine it could be possible for the buggers to set up a 'controlled buy' of some contraband or other, embroiling -otc, and spinning up nanotube as 'a dpr'
970237;1420752313;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: but it seems like a stretch. bullet is cheaper.
970238;1420752327;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: stern words, 'horse's head on pillow' - cheaper still.
970239;1420752336;BingoBoingo;Lemme pull up and order from the order feed real quick...
970240;1420752372;BingoBoingo;<gribble> #21874 || darsie || BUY 1.0 1 kg uranium @ 100 EUR || e.g. counterweight, projectile, radiation shield. I'm not sure if that's a reasonable price since an aircraft company had trouble finding a dump where they could get rid of some counterweights. I'm open for other amounts or some thorium metal/compounds, highly radioactive stuff like mushrooms from Chernobyl and a ~1 kg piece of tungsten at/near theoretical density. <<
970241;1420752372;BingoBoingo;One of the last orders to hit the #bitcoin-otc ticker
970242;1420752393;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: DU is not illegal to own in usa, afaik
970243;1420752394;asciilifeform;(ianal)
970244;1420752480;asciilifeform;seems like it does require a crown contract attesting to the fact of use in a particular product, along with statement of disposal arrangements
970245;1420752491;asciilifeform;according to pediwik
970246;1420752520;jurov;poor dude he just wanted the uranium to make some nanowire clothing to keep him warm
970247;1420752521;asciilifeform;the 'highly radioactive' whatever-the-fuck, another story
970248;1420752540;BingoBoingo;Well... in USSA who but Preet can know what crime is. What I can see though is that was order #21874 and #21876 was the very last entered
970249;1420752550;asciilifeform;that's easily worth as many 'jail points' from penal code as the bootleg fireworks of r. ver
970250;1420752583;asciilifeform;though if nanotube goes in for this, omidyar should go in for having operated 'ebay' (ver's case)
970251;1420752626;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34448 @ 0.00063579 = 21.9017 BTC [-] {4} 
970252;1420752687;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7552 @ 0.00062472 = 4.7179 BTC [-]
970253;1420752700;thestringpuller;anyone ever read the story about the guy who fell asleep next to a reactor cause he was cold
970254;1420752713;asciilifeform;thestringpuller: it wasn't a reactor. it was a russian rtg.
970255;1420752719;ben_vulpes;i read a permutation that had him in front of a microwave dish.
970256;1420752761;asciilifeform;thestringpuller: there are multiple reasonably well-documented corpses of thieves, poachers, metal hunters, killing themselves on rtg
970257;1420752800;asciilifeform;!s soviet rtg
970258;1420752801;assbot;2 results for 'soviet rtg' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=soviet+rtg
970259;1420752821;thestringpuller;asciilifeform: thanks. I remember someone reading a news article on that in school years ago.
970260;1420752826;thestringpuller;back in my younger more vulnerable years
970261;1420752857;ben_vulpes;http://phys.org/news/2015-01-super-insulated-indoor.html << "sc1ence" now in full bore crapflation support mode.
970262;1420752859;assbot;Super-insulated clothing could eliminate need for indoor heating ... ( http://bit.ly/1xWfI2N )
970263;1420752859;asciilifeform;back to the 'radioactive mushroom' - anyone could, in principle, leave a 'wanted ad' to the effect of wishing to purchase $bannedobject anywhere he wants
970264;1420752893;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: what fraction of heat loss is from breathing ?
970265;1420752904;asciilifeform;or will we 'insulate' that as well.
970266;1420752940;*;ben_vulpes pines for a proper stillsuit
970267;1420752956;asciilifeform;'tell me again about the waters of your home world...'
970268;1420753004;thestringpuller;asciilifeform you really should attempt a short stand up routine
970269;1420753020;thestringpuller;you make me laugh as much as some of my favorite comedians
970270;1420753033;asciilifeform;thestringpuller: direct quote from one of the 'dune' film adaptations
970271;1420753076;thestringpuller;the "what fraction of heat loss is from breathing or will we 'insulate' that as well." made water come out of my nose
970272;1420753098;TomServo;!up AlexWkz
970273;1420753102;thestringpuller;something lewis black would say if he were an engineer
970274;1420753113;TomServo;I'll have to agree, most my #b-a chuckles and belly laughs are from asciilifeform
970275;1420753170;asciilifeform;observe, plenty of uranium ore on, e.g., 'ebay.' but no refined metal (depleted or, srsly what do you expect - the other kind)
970276;1420753419;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34635 @ 0.00065114 = 22.5522 BTC [+] {2} 
970277;1420753469;asciilifeform;'#21876 GlooBoy BUY 100.0 @ 100 / {bitstampask} * .84 BTC Buying up to 100$<-(todays limit) Physical Amazon Gift Cards (NO eGIFT CARDS) - Offer only available to those with considerable OTC/WoT trust. -/msg GlooBoy for a exact quote and privacy - visit https://localbitcoins.com/ad/72576/?ch=c6c'
970278;1420753471;assbot;Buy bitcoins online in  from GlooBoy: Amazon Gift Card ... ( http://bit.ly/1xWh3qz )
970279;1420753480;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 38529 @ 0.00065705 = 25.3155 BTC [+] {3} 
970280;1420753483;asciilifeform;^ perhaps this, and not the imaginary radioactive mushrooms.
970281;1420753519;asciilifeform;or the couple of 'bank transfer' ones from slightly earlier.
970282;1420753537;asciilifeform;plenty enough for a preet.
970283;1420753968;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22700 @ 0.00065941 = 14.9686 BTC [+] {3} 
970284;1420754432;thestringpuller;"You want an irradiated mushroom? Fine." "An unreulated bank transfer?!? Come with us to federal prison plz."
970285;1420754442;thestringpuller;unregulated*
970286;1420754515;scoopbot;New post on Qntra.net by Bingo Boingo: http://qntra.net/2015/01/judge-forrest-rules-uncharged-murder-plot-can-be-presented-at-trial/
970287;1420754640;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 39564 @ 0.00064791 = 25.6339 BTC [-] {2} 
970288;1420754921;thestringpuller;http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/2rriqb/gavin_andresen_experiments_with_bigger_blocks/cniltmv << mircea_popescu do you have access to gay porn stars?
970289;1420754964;BingoBoingo;http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2015/01/one-coachs-nightmare-sending-his-wank-video-to-female-players/
970290;1420754965;assbot;One coach’s nightmare—sending his wank video to female players | Ars Technica ... ( http://bit.ly/1wyMQI2 )
970291;1420755018;BingoBoingo;!up irdial
970292;1420755249;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22499 @ 0.00062445 = 14.0495 BTC [-] {2} 
970293;1420755309;mircea_popescu;linux permissions are about as fucking nonsensical as it gets.
970294;1420755312;mircea_popescu;so if you > or >> a filename that doesn't exist and you want to run it, you have to set a permission bit separately.
970295;1420755331;mircea_popescu;however, if you > or >> a filename that exists already, you can run it just fine.
970296;1420755336;mircea_popescu;because that's logical.
970297;1420755500;undata;also executing a folder is what you're doing when you enter it...
970298;1420755524;undata;what do you think would be better, a sort of stream header that indicates the nature of the bits to come?
970299;1420755551;mircea_popescu;in other news, http://girls.twistys.com/preview/totm/12-2014/p03/p/15.jpg
970300;1420755554;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1wyPVYz )
970301;1420755568;mircea_popescu;undata i think it'd be better that the execute bit gets trashed every time the file is modified.
970302;1420755588;mircea_popescu;or else, simply don't have it.
970303;1420755613;mircea_popescu;if your philosophy is that the file modification is what you defend against.
970304;1420755653;undata;yep, the former has sane security consequences
970305;1420755683;undata;the latter is more aligned with what actually happens, the file doesn't execute itself, something invokes it
970306;1420755683;mircea_popescu;well if the idea is that "he who has the authority to modify a file always has the authority to also execute it" then "executable" bit makes 0 sense.
970307;1420755717;mircea_popescu;contrarywise, if your idea is that one needs the priviledge to make files executable, then this situation where a file is modified and stays executable makes 0 sense.
970308;1420755732;undata;mhm
970309;1420755783;mircea_popescu;but really, the problem is folders=files and execution = opening
970310;1420755803;mircea_popescu;clearly "executing" an archive is not the same as decompressing it.
970311;1420755840;irdial;Presumably a "default file permission on creation" of any new file would fix it, then you would be forced to set the executable bit every time.
970312;1420755854;undata;along those lines having files owned by a single group is brain dead
970313;1420755877;undata;the whole ACL system is just a bunch of ad hoc ideas
970314;1420755906;*;undata thinks RDBMS got ACL much more right
970315;1420755934;mircea_popescu;it is a bunch of ad hoc gunk yes.
970316;1420755960;mircea_popescu;to think 1991 - 2011 were spent in a "oh linux is better than windows" nonsense, instead of being spent to, you know, make a sane environment.
970317;1420755973;mircea_popescu;no wonder ubuntu and systemd are what's left on that smoldering pyre.
970318;1420756095;mircea_popescu;i suppose this is all moot since anything can read any file as data and trhen execute it as code anyway
970319;1420756095;thestringpuller;mircea_popescu: what would be a good resolution source for this bet:
970320;1420756097;thestringpuller;This bet resolves no if Gavin's proposed hard fork is launched, and in succession achieves 51% consensus of the network. This bet resolves yes, if the current Bitcoin fork keeps 51% consensus of the network, or if Gavin's proposed hard fork is never launched.
970321;1420756107;thestringpuller;Will likely require someone to monitor both forks (running both versions) if the event occurs as a resolution source. (Resolution source still required).
970322;1420756126;mircea_popescu;i dunno how it'd neatly be worded tbh
970323;1420756145;mircea_popescu;i mean, in such a way as partisanship can't hijack the meaning post facto
970324;1420756184;mike_c;thestringpuller: you've seen http://bitbet.us/bet/1093/bitcoin-main-net-block-size-to-increase-in/ ?
970325;1420756185;assbot;BitBet - Bitcoin main net block size to increase in 2015 :: 0.03 B (3%) on Yes, 1.07 B (97%) on No | closing in 10 months 1 week| weight: 98`183 (100`000 to 1) ... ( http://bit.ly/1wyTgXy )
970326;1420756204;thestringpuller;nah i have not
970327;1420756209;thestringpuller;thanks for bringing that to my attention
970328;1420756269;mircea_popescu;i'd argue that bet doesn't actually do what the title says.
970329;1420756297;mircea_popescu;"Gavincoin orphan chain to reach 50 blocks before being abandoned" is kinda not the same as "Blockchain will increase"
970330;1420756310;mike_c;well, we all know by now that the title is not controlling :)
970331;1420756322;mircea_popescu;yeh, there's that.
970332;1420756361;mircea_popescu;stil, as it is prolly a better phrasing anyway, give both sides some sort of chance.
970333;1420756375;mike_c;there should be a 'bet author' credit.  make people famous, and then i'd know who to yell at about some of these terms.
970334;1420756383;mircea_popescu;mike_c there is.
970335;1420756396;mircea_popescu;bitcent prize for when you figure it out :D
970336;1420756399;mike_c;right, the initial wager
970337;1420756403;mircea_popescu;right hehe
970338;1420756429;mircea_popescu;and since kako's reforms, that's quite universal, nobody can say "if only i had thought of zeroconfing it"
970339;1420756497;mircea_popescu;i guess in the end bitbet will spawn a bit phrasing discussion forum
970340;1420756510;mircea_popescu;full of puns and wordplay and intricate hebrew arguments.
970341;1420756539;BingoBoingo;BitBet is the new courts circus
970342;1420756546;mike_c;ok then, whoever this is come see me for a detailed explanation of how you are killing bitbet.  http://bitbet.us/stats/1sz7C5kag76Djs55vdBFvtinvLTyfn4pf/
970343;1420756547;assbot;BitBet Stats ... ( http://bit.ly/1wyUTEE )
970344;1420756659;ben_vulpes;salud, punkman
970345;1420756665;ben_vulpes;i'd up ye, but...
970346;1420756668;ben_vulpes;!up punkman
970347;1420756697;mircea_popescu;mike_c go on ?
970348;1420756724;punkman;weird power outage, ups crapped out :(
970349;1420756738;mike_c;the time weighting system puts a dead zone in the middle of the lifetime of a bet
970350;1420756758;mike_c;It is often not profitable to bet given your estimation of the odds and the current weight.
970351;1420756773;mike_c;the beginning of the bet (high weight) and the end of a bet (high confidence) are the best two times to bet
970352;1420756785;mircea_popescu;in the sense that if you figure the odds two weeks late and the market already is stable you're... late ?
970353;1420756815;mike_c;no, more like this:
970354;1420756833;mike_c;"market", i.e. what the money says is that the odds of yes are 60%
970355;1420756847;mike_c;you believe the odds are actually 65%
970356;1420756877;mike_c;but you still can't bet profitably, because time weighting has progressed and only made it profitable if you think the odds are something like 82%
970357;1420756892;mike_c;well *that* doesn't happen until late in the bet
970358;1420756904;mircea_popescu;let's model this for the sake of argument ?
970359;1420756917;mike_c;ok
970360;1420756923;mike_c;i will
970361;1420756932;mircea_popescu;so, 10 day bet, on day 1 it's made, and 4 BTC on yes (40 weight) 60 BTC on no (60 weight)
970362;1420756974;mike_c;i assume you meant 40 btc/60 btc
970363;1420756979;mike_c;but ok, i'll work with that.
970364;1420756979;mircea_popescu;on day 4 you come and split a btc : .35 on yes (2.1 weight), .65 on no (3.9 weight)./
970365;1420756997;mircea_popescu;assuming no further bets
970366;1420757023;mircea_popescu;you own 2.1 / 42.1 of 11 btc = 0.548693587 BTC if yes
970367;1420757045;mircea_popescu;and 3.9 / 63.9 of 11 btc = 0.671361502 if no.
970368;1420757057;mike_c;yes, well, first off that was silly
970369;1420757065;mike_c;clearly both sides can't be profitable wagers
970370;1420757066;mircea_popescu;1.223563603 / 2 = 0.611781801
970371;1420757073;mircea_popescu;so you are about at your .65
970372;1420757086;mircea_popescu;minus a good chunk, granted. but still +
970373;1420757117;mircea_popescu;(if you throw 1 btc blindly on a 65% odds event you should overall make .65 back)
970374;1420757178;mike_c;ok.. so you meant 4 btc and 6 btc in the beginning.
970375;1420757185;mircea_popescu;yes.
970376;1420757252;mike_c;this example makes no sense.  why did i put .35 on yes and .65 on no.
970377;1420757256;mircea_popescu;and i'd argue it's fair you realise SOME of the 60-65 difference but not all, inasmuch as well... you're both on the right side of 50%, just you're 50% closer.
970378;1420757268;mircea_popescu;mike_c statistics baby.
970379;1420757275;mike_c;yeah, i'm about to school ya :)
970380;1420757279;mircea_popescu;lmao
970381;1420757300;mircea_popescu;it doesn't matter what you bet. i put both wagers down explicitly to get all terms on the table and leave no stone unturned.
970382;1420757319;mircea_popescu;(ie, people betting one single side THINK they are. but they aren't. they should reserve the other anyway, if playing sanely)
970383;1420757333;mircea_popescu;ie, put some btc aside in their pocket
970384;1420757384;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 10000 @ 0.00089994 = 8.9994 BTC [+] {5} 
970385;1420757385;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5730 @ 0.0006282 = 3.5996 BTC [+]
970386;1420757385;mike_c;ok, day 4 i bet 1 btc on no (6 weight)
970387;1420757524;mike_c;and if no wins, i get 6/66 * 11btc = 1btc?  wtf.
970388;1420757534;mike_c;that's not right.
970389;1420757562;mircea_popescu;it's not, because you're looking at a dynamic situation as if it were a photograph.
970390;1420757574;mircea_popescu;yes, if the 1 doesn't get covered you make a loss.
970391;1420757585;mike_c;well, i break even
970392;1420757585;mircea_popescu;but that's not because of the system. that's because of market inefficiency (your bet didn't get covered)
970393;1420757590;mircea_popescu;your presumption HOWEVER
970394;1420757593;mircea_popescu;was that market is at 60^
970395;1420757603;mircea_popescu;in which case your 1 will have to be covered to maintain the 60%. do that.
970396;1420757616;mike_c;and obviously market inefficiency is the only way to make money at parimutuel wagering..
970397;1420757629;mircea_popescu;well OBVIOUSLY then it's also the only way to lose money. eh ?
970398;1420757648;mike_c;and OBVIOUSLY nobody is going to maintain the 60% because the time weighting!
970399;1420757658;mircea_popescu;...
970400;1420757674;mike_c;why would I bet on a 40% likely event and 20% odds?
970401;1420757675;mircea_popescu;except, of course, as i shown above, if they bet rationally they do have a rational incentive to move the odds if they believe the odds.
970402;1420757677;mike_c;*at
970403;1420757711;mike_c;ok, i shall paint a complete and pretty picture on btcalpha.
970404;1420757717;mircea_popescu;by all means.
970405;1420757772;mike_c;right after dinner :)  to be continued later.
970406;1420757878;punkman;http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2015/01/one-coachs-nightmare-sending-his-wank-video-to-female-players/2/  charged with "Risk of Injury to Child"
970407;1420757879;assbot;One coach’s nightmare—sending his wank video to female players | Ars Technica ... ( http://bit.ly/1wz0fzP )
970408;1420757988;mircea_popescu;http://stats.bitcoin-assets.com/ << this new year's was nothing like last years'
970409;1420757989;assbot;#bitcoin-assets stats ... ( http://bit.ly/1wz0ICa )
970410;1420758169;thestringpuller;I miss Bugpowder :(
970411;1420758172;thestringpuller;and smickles
970412;1420758449;mircea_popescu;TomServo herbi stopped by ? you two are liek friends ?
970413;1420758541;mircea_popescu;cazalla: i am very upset over this fork talk << eh, nothing to get excited over, a little bit of war.
970414;1420758576;mircea_popescu;http://bitbet.us/bet/786/bitcoin-to-surpass-berkshire-as-an-investment/ << whooa over 5k huh
970415;1420758577;assbot;BitBet - Bitcoin to surpass Berkshire as an investment :: 1121.15 B (20%) on Yes, 4375.82 B (80%) on No | closing in 1 month 1 week| weight: 11`042 (100`000 to 1) ... ( http://bit.ly/1tRAwHj )
970416;1420758620;mircea_popescu;yeah that's gonna be a cool 54 btc for bitbet once it resolves.
970417;1420758629;mircea_popescu;prolly moar than bitpay makes that month hehe
970418;1420758652;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: 18:56:xx you got uncloaked, assuming it matters
970419;1420758670;mircea_popescu;apparently doesn't.
970420;1420758768;mircea_popescu;cazalla: how in the fuck does a pennyles german come here 65 years ago and build more in a decade or two than his own grandchildren could hope to build in a life time <<  you know he has a legitimate question there.
970421;1420758791;asciilifeform;(the 'cloak' thing isn't worth a broken penny, but we already knew that)
970422;1420758801;mircea_popescu;it has its uses.
970423;1420758868;mircea_popescu;"I'd also like to see a source to this claim. I'll start a bounty of 3,000 bits." gotta love reddit.
970424;1420758917;asciilifeform;to collect the 'bounty of 3,000 bits' why not go to the train station and pick up loose change...?
970425;1420758964;mircea_popescu;nubbins`: also mildly curious to know how much time your grandfather spent on irc shooting the shit and complaining about how shitty his wife was <<< all old folks i knew, of that exact generation, spent about 20 hours a week, each week, with a beer and tobacco, talking exactly the same things.
970426;1420758991;mircea_popescu;i very much doubt the solution to "welfare state has made life impossible for actual people" is "feel moar ashamed and guilty"
970427;1420759024;mircea_popescu;the correct solution is to whip out the cock, jack off, send the film to every girl in junior high, then when the troopers show up whip the cock out, jack off on their face and beat them until they lick it off and thank you for it.
970428;1420759042;asciilifeform;with or without hexagen vest ?
970429;1420759053;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform: a: 'orcs came and burned my village to the ground' b: 'shuddup, enough whinging, do something to improve yer lot' << i can see it tbh.
970430;1420759096;mircea_popescu;which reminds me of ancient joke. "tarzan prin jungla, gaseste o bita. "buna bita!" "buna tarzan!""
970431;1420759127;mircea_popescu;ie, tarzan in the jungle, finds a glub. "now that's a good club". "hello tarzan". because buna is ambiguously hello and "this is a good item"
970432;1420759239;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=08-01-2015#969982
970433;1420759239;assbot;Logged on 08-01-2015 15:54:28; TomServo: http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2015/01/judge-govt-can-show-murder-for-hire-evidence-in-silk-road-trial/
970434;1420759282;mircea_popescu;quick "fundaments of law" practice work. were you the judge, would you have allowed the evidence presented ? if yes, why ? if not, why not ?
970435;1420759300;asciilifeform;the judge, or the freisler ?
970436;1420759343;mircea_popescu;the judge.
970437;1420759352;*;asciilifeform sometimes catches himself forgetting that preet is not (yet) a judge
970438;1420759367;mircea_popescu;we're learning law here, not americana.
970439;1420759386;asciilifeform;ianal but per american law as taught, the thing is a circu
970440;1420759387;asciilifeform;s
970441;1420759407;asciilifeform;at least a three ring circus, no less
970442;1420759414;mircea_popescu;law, as an intellectual tradition / cultural phenomenon is quite sensible.
970443;1420759426;mircea_popescu;you can't say "clothes are dumb" just because americans are poor and the chinese are mocking them.
970444;1420759429;asciilifeform;'thing' being the case
970445;1420759434;asciilifeform;not law as concept
970446;1420759446;mircea_popescu;ah sure.
970447;1420759451;mircea_popescu;but i avoided that deliberately.
970448;1420759474;mircea_popescu;evidentiary hearings are quite separate from any case.
970449;1420759603;punkman;"Ulbricht does not currently face charges of attempted murder." so evidence unrelated to current case?
970450;1420759626;mircea_popescu;well that's iffy.
970451;1420759630;mircea_popescu;you'll have to show rationale.
970452;1420759631;asciilifeform;punkman: according to the document, judge proclaimed it relevant to his having been characterized as a flight risk
970453;1420759635;asciilifeform;during earlier bail hearing
970454;1420759638;asciilifeform;and thus not excludable
970455;1420759644;mircea_popescu;los_pantalones are you writing me repos/options/something on gavinbucks ?
970456;1420759677;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform but i was more curios in general discussion, rather than merely judging the judge.
970457;1420759683;los_pantalones;ha, no, i haven't been in here for too long
970458;1420759687;los_pantalones;going through withdrawal
970459;1420759691;mircea_popescu;lol
970460;1420759699;mircea_popescu;on the merits the judge is entirely correct, he couldn't have excluded that.
970461;1420759739;asciilifeform;the judge, afaik, is a kind of mechanical component here and is operating within specced envelope
970462;1420759761;mircea_popescu;but the discussion of whether the envelope is real or metaphysical is important.
970463;1420759776;mircea_popescu;yes, by and large the scientist in the lab is a puppet.
970464;1420759836;asciilifeform;as in, whether only the specced kind of judge stands a chance of becoming an american judge - or, at least, of deciding so much as the least bit of such a case - or - alternatively, whether explicit control over the judges is somehow exercised ?
970465;1420759899;mircea_popescu;los_pantalones http://trilema.com/2015/if-you-go-on-a-bitcoin-fork-irrespective-which-scammer-proposes-it-you-will-lose-your-bitcoins/ vs http://pastebin.com/YfQLnKQz for a quick update.
970466;1420759899;assbot;If you go on a Bitcoin fork, irrespective which scammer proposes it, you will lose your Bitcoins. pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.  ... ( http://bit.ly/1tRCDLu )
970467;1420759900;assbot;Looking before the Scaling Up Leap - Pastebin.com ... ( http://bit.ly/1tRCE1L )
970468;1420759927;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform as to whether you in his place would find yourself in the same envelope or not.
970469;1420759948;los_pantalones;whoa, gribble dead?
970470;1420759964;los_pantalones;i did miss a lot
970471;1420759989;mircea_popescu;yea
970472;1420760032;mircea_popescu;"RANDOM.ORG radios use in order to affect the generator. However, radio frequency attacks of this type would be difficult for a variety of reasons. First, the frequencies that the radios use are not published, so an attacker would have to broadcast across all frequencies of all bands used for FM and AM broadcasting. "
970473;1420760036;mircea_popescu;this just made my brain melt.
970474;1420760039;mircea_popescu;SERIOUSLY !?
970475;1420760050;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: we read this one together !
970476;1420760056;asciilifeform;during one of early rng discussions, i think
970477;1420760067;mircea_popescu;and if i go to fuck a girl, i can't like... in any manner observe where the blasted slit is
970478;1420760075;mircea_popescu;so i have to shoot sperm in a ball all around ?
970479;1420760087;mircea_popescu;what is this, random.org for crabs ?
970480;1420760098;asciilifeform;for children, doing homework exercises
970481;1420760100;asciilifeform;who else uses it ?
970482;1420760125;mircea_popescu;"Second, this is not an attack that can be launched from anywhere in the world, only reasonably close to the generator. "
970483;1420760127;mircea_popescu;lmao.
970484;1420760130;thestringpuller;so S.NSA will sell RNG dongle one day?
970485;1420760132;mircea_popescu;ahahha this is like some prime comedy
970486;1420760148;mircea_popescu;so you gotta be close and you can't hear. gwan
970487;1420760172;asciilifeform;thestringpuller: there's a toggle which forces continuous rng grind, yes
970488;1420760191;thestringpuller;cardano is giving me a raging clue
970489;1420760193;mircea_popescu;"Q1.6: Does RANDOM.ORG perform custom jobs that require randomness? Yes. Perhaps you need more numbers than it's possible to get via the web forms, or perhaps you need them in a format that isn't supported. In those cases, we can set up a custom job for you to supply the numbers."
970490;1420760199;mircea_popescu;i would like the number 6 in a cup, please.
970491;1420760214;mircea_popescu;number formats !?
970492;1420760237;thestringpuller;!s random.org
970493;1420760238;assbot;5 results for 'random.org' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=random.org
970494;1420760238;asciilifeform;thestringpuller: if all you need is an rng, you can very easily build a satisfactory one yourself in an evening. from, e.g., 1970s textbooks.
970495;1420760257;thestringpuller;asciilifeform: i'm not as competent as you in the fields of not electrocuting myself
970496;1420760287;asciilifeform;nobody (i hope) uses some bozo's www 'rng' site for weaponized anything
970497;1420760295;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform you'll have to appreciate the value of convenience SOME DAY
970498;1420760350;asciilifeform;matter of fact, i appreciate that, for instance, i do not (yet) have to build own refrigerator.
970499;1420760375;mircea_popescu;i actually did that.
970500;1420760382;asciilifeform;convenience is appreciated esp. by the chronically inconvenienced.
970501;1420760398;*;mircea_popescu hooked up old minifrige system to old vw golf for home made ac long ago
970502;1420760493;mircea_popescu;Ulbricht won only a few minor points. The government won't be able to point to certain books sold on Silk Road, such as Silent but Deadly and Homemade C-4: A Recipe for Survival. Those exhibits "unnecessarily inject elements of violence and explosive devices that are not otherwise part of this case."
970503;1420760499;mircea_popescu;why the fuck did he want THAT excluded
970504;1420760512;mircea_popescu;they only took them out because they didn't want the jury to hear the titles,. lest they look it up
970505;1420760538;asciilifeform;mega-lol!
970506;1420760548;asciilifeform;both, iirc, are classics on w4r3z, for some years
970507;1420760559;mircea_popescu;sure.
970508;1420760570;asciilifeform;old b&w scans, passed around since fuck knows when.
970509;1420760579;mircea_popescu;i wonder if he fires his lawyer now.
970510;1420760607;BingoBoingo;!up pete_dushenski
970511;1420760613;pete_dushenski;cheers!~
970512;1420760617;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18249 @ 0.00062301 = 11.3693 BTC [-] {4} 
970513;1420760668;pete_dushenski;thestringpuller lol what bill would that be?
970514;1420760670;mircea_popescu;"[A]s a side note, at what point in time do we decide that we�ve had enough of someone[�]s shit, and terminate them? Like, does impersonating a vendor to rip off a mid-level drug lord, using our rep and system; follows up by stealing from our vendors and clients and breeding fear and mis-trust, does that come close in your opinion."
970515;1420760690;mircea_popescu;there was something very very odd about the pgp used on this site that allowed employees to impersonate users.
970516;1420760702;pete_dushenski;peterl nice work on the blog aggregator! any guesses as to why my apostraphes are so mangled?
970517;1420760707;mircea_popescu;maybe the government was impersonating dpr all along ?
970518;1420760750;asciilifeform;http://www.reddit.com/r/SilkRoad/comments/1qh266/guide_pgp_4_n00bz << considering that this was how pgp was used...
970519;1420760752;assbot;[GUIDE] PGP 4 N00BZ : SilkRoad ... ( http://bit.ly/1HXw4JL )
970520;1420760778;mircea_popescu;i dunno why all these ppl get so excited about pgp. clearly it doesn't do anything
970521;1420760804;mircea_popescu;brb moving to tor.
970522;1420760822;pete_dushenski;heh
970523;1420760943;pete_dushenski;"The cost of insuring Russia’s bonds against non-repayment for five years jumped 61 basis points this year to 538, according to data compiled by Bloomberg. That makes the nation’s debt the fifth-riskiest globally, above speculative-grade countries including Lebanon, Egypt and Portugal."
970524;1420760968;pete_dushenski;whoa, nano!
970525;1420760981;asciilifeform;either the man himself, or funkspiel.
970526;1420761019;mircea_popescu;well that's the beauty of the high stakes game of world diplomacy and international intrigue.
970527;1420761029;mircea_popescu;you can never really swear who's the real billy mumphrey.
970528;1420761036;BingoBoingo;A waterfall bursts http://www.reuters.com/article/2008/10/28/us-volkswagen-idUSTRE49R3I920081028
970529;1420761037;assbot;      Short sellers make VW the world's priciest firm| Reuters ... ( http://bit.ly/1HXxOTr )
970530;1420761068;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo there's something about vw that attracts this sort of thing. i recall a similar carnage in the 80, and then somerthing with audi
970531;1420761119;pete_dushenski;BingoBoingo except aapl!
970532;1420761161;pete_dushenski;and around 2007-08 porsche almost bought vw, then got flipped on its ass and the reverse happened
970533;1420761189;mircea_popescu;o yeah the porsche merger
970534;1420761205;mircea_popescu;such a lulzfest
970535;1420761247;pete_dushenski;yup. pretty much sealed porsche as a maker of, well, w4r3s
970536;1420761258;pete_dushenski;they used to be cool
970537;1420761277;pete_dushenski;now they make shiny things a la apple and lv
970538;1420761299;asciilifeform;lv ?
970539;1420761305;pete_dushenski;louis vuitton
970540;1420761317;*;asciilifeform associates that company exclusively with spam
970541;1420761325;mircea_popescu;lvhm!
970542;1420761334;pete_dushenski;m before h ;)
970543;1420761338;mircea_popescu;the only thing making money in france, sort of like paris' appple
970544;1420761355;mircea_popescu;pete_dushenski i like henessy better!
970545;1420761392;assbot;Last 5 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/3DKM9MN.txt )
970546;1420761392;BingoBoingo;!b 5
970547;1420761392;pete_dushenski;lol i'm more of a courvoisier guy
970548;1420761407;mircea_popescu;i didn't mean it's any good. merely that moet is meh-er-er!
970549;1420761473;pete_dushenski;i know i know, it's Ţuică or bust
970550;1420761495;pete_dushenski;tsuika
970551;1420761510;mircea_popescu;assbot: Logged on 07-01-2015 19:06:06; kakobrekla: btw bitstamp is moving operations to us (prolly sf). << qntra shoulda scooped you!
970552;1420761530;mircea_popescu;pete_dushenski actually reserva san juan is pretty decent. just had some.
970553;1420761594;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28300 @ 0.00062593 = 17.7138 BTC [+] {2} 
970554;1420761611;mircea_popescu;"At the heart of the controversy is a breakdown in public trust that reflects the dangers of corporate-led water privatization schemes in the United States and around the world."
970555;1420761632;mircea_popescu;holy shit! for 30 fucking years all the world could hear from us' imf "experts" was privatize, privatize, privatize
970556;1420761649;mircea_popescu;now there's dangers involved ? shit, i guess we gotta go apologize to all the locals that said so back then ?
970557;1420761659;mircea_popescu;o wait, they don;t have facebook profiles. nm.
970558;1420761724;pete_dushenski;send them instagram selfies of imf experts making sad faces
970559;1420761728;assbot;Last 4 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/2VBMYPJ.txt )
970560;1420761728;BingoBoingo;!b 4
970561;1420761749;mircea_popescu;Most troubling are charges of decades of revolving-door cronyism surrounding Joe Glicker, a vice president of CH2M Hill, the company awarded the contracts to build the new covered reservoirs for Portland. Not only was Glicker a former chief engineer of the Portland Water Bureau (PWB), he also worked as a core consultant with the EPA to write the very LT2 rules that now require these massive "emergency" water infrastruc
970562;1420761751;mircea_popescu;ture projects.
970563;1420761755;mircea_popescu;ajaha sweet.
970564;1420761777;mircea_popescu;"Glicker's hand in crafting the LT2 ruling helped create an unfunded mandate that opened new markets for his company, while blindsiding cash-strapped municipalities across the country."
970565;1420761785;mircea_popescu;dude... god save Botswana over there.
970566;1420761815;pete_dushenski;blindsiding? you'd think botswana would just expect to be shit on by now
970567;1420761825;pete_dushenski;it's sorta the norm, neh?
970568;1420761852;BingoBoingo;<mircea_popescu> dude... god save Botswana over there. << Stahp impeaching Botswana's reputation by implying the United States resembles it.
970569;1420761866;mircea_popescu;but botswana's reputation sucks.
970570;1420761893;BingoBoingo;But compared to the US it should suck less!
970571;1420761914;BingoBoingo;People's epistemic frameworks for determining suck are broken.
970572;1420761931;pete_dushenski;speaking of cognac, i wonder what albert camus woulda thought of a $2100 bottle of the stuff bearing his name
970573;1420761941;mircea_popescu;prolly nothing much
970574;1420761959;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo why ? it's the same tribal, pretentious, inept culture.
970575;1420761972;pete_dushenski;eh prolly
970576;1420761996;mircea_popescu;mike_c: is this new "1 week buffer from event" copy now standard practice? << people like putting it in. what can i say ?
970577;1420762116;BingoBoingo;<mircea_popescu> BingoBoingo why ? it's the same tribal, pretentious, inept culture. << At least Botswana's economy accepts that it exists simply as a tool for extracting raw resources.
970578;1420762136;mircea_popescu;nope.
970579;1420762147;mircea_popescu;they pretend, just like everyone else, to the utmost of their ability.
970580;1420762163;mircea_popescu;that it's obvious to you but not to them has more to do with the fact that they're used to their own shit than anything.
970581;1420762185;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=08-01-2015#970220 << but it gets pretty thoroughly shot down ?
970582;1420762185;assbot;Logged on 08-01-2015 20:53:34; asciilifeform: http://academia.stackexchange.com/questions/35154/whether-to-tell-his-prospective-employer-that-a-new-male-post-doc-opposes-affirm << found this by pure accident. linking here just for mircea_popescu's butterfly collection.
970583;1420762412;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=08-01-2015#970234 << remember the days ceausescu was proposing the exact thing ? did husak  havesomething similar i dun recall ?
970584;1420762412;assbot;Logged on 08-01-2015 21:24:49; jurov: http://phys.org/news/2015-01-super-insulated-indoor.html had to double check it isn't the onion
970585;1420762417;BingoBoingo;Well it's like the KeystoneXL pipeline debate for which both sides neglect to discuss the destination of oil flowing through it (the export market)
970586;1420762514;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu> http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=08-01-2015#970234 << remember the days ceausescu was proposing the exact thing ? did husak  havesomething similar i dun recall ? << Because they can't imagine people having occasion to fuck in the winter?
970587;1420762514;assbot;Logged on 08-01-2015 21:24:49; jurov: http://phys.org/news/2015-01-super-insulated-indoor.html had to double check it isn't the onion
970588;1420762539;mircea_popescu;it's a commie thing.
970589;1420762554;mircea_popescu;i dunno exactly what inflamed part of the cerebrum it comes from, but it's a commie thing.
970590;1420762557;BingoBoingo;!up pete_dushenski
970591;1420762606;pete_dushenski;BingoBoingo re keystone xl: eh could just as well be domestic consumption
970592;1420762607;BingoBoingo;I thought the entire point of having a domicile was heating it so clothing inside became optional.
970593;1420762616;pete_dushenski;might as well really
970594;1420762639;pete_dushenski;export pipelines to china from alberta are happening whether keystone goes forward or not
970595;1420762657;BingoBoingo;pete_dushenski: Not really. Domestically we are getting the oil just fine. There's refineries spread all over the country. The point of the pipe is it runs to the ports in Texas.
970596;1420762690;asciilifeform;winter clothing << the comical heat-only-the-humans-with-microwave-turret gadget from the film series 'silicon valley' was - afaik - proposed in earnest. possibly in ussr. vague recollection.
970597;1420762730;asciilifeform;^ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7WvDHKKsCL4 (scene)
970598;1420762732;assbot;Silicon Valley - Human heater - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1HXHRYy )
970599;1420762741;pete_dushenski;BingoBoingo right, but you're saying there's no domestic need in the texas area?
970600;1420762922;undata;mircea_popescu: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/04/30/portland-reservoir-urine_n_5243586.html
970601;1420762923;assbot;Portland Will Save Reservoir Water Tainted By Teen's Urine ... ( http://bit.ly/1HXIUYG )
970602;1420762930;undata;^ clearly this merits spending a few hundred million
970603;1420762940;mircea_popescu;"spending"
970604;1420762946;mircea_popescu;you're looking at it wrong
970605;1420762949;mircea_popescu;"job creation"
970606;1420762956;mircea_popescu;it's not really money.
970607;1420762970;undata;look that reservoir, you didn't make that to piss in, we all did
970608;1420762982;asciilifeform;calculate ppm. s/saxitoxin/piss
970609;1420763003;asciilifeform;how much must drink from the reservoir to get lethal dose.
970610;1420763006;undata;and yet people still swim in the river
970611;1420763055;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform: seems like it does require a crown contract attesting to the fact of use in a particular product, along with statement of disposal arrangements << uranium is, if mishandled, extremely toxic.
970612;1420763067;mircea_popescu;kinda why du projectiles keep coming close to ban
970613;1420763069;asciilifeform;(one of strongest known poisons, ld-50 for man ~= 0.5 mg)
970614;1420763100;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: Pu - toxic; dU is a weak alpha emitter
970615;1420763107;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform get letal does with what certainty ?
970616;1420763115;asciilifeform;0.5
970617;1420763123;asciilifeform;(def of ld50)
970618;1420763125;mircea_popescu;because the us is built on "0% risk", see. otherwise smoking is ok and no need for helmets.
970619;1420763132;mircea_popescu;so, a cupful is enoguh
970620;1420763136;mircea_popescu;re u : it's chemically toxic.
970621;1420763213;undata;google says the average bladder is about 0.5 L
970622;1420763215;mircea_popescu;on an equal exposure basis, suspended particulates / oxides way way beat stuff like azbestos.
970623;1420763219;asciilifeform;heavy metal - yes
970624;1420763229;mircea_popescu;more so than gold.
970625;1420763233;mircea_popescu;it's lead++
970626;1420763272;asciilifeform;gold is biologically inert for practical purposes
970627;1420763285;mircea_popescu;but a heavy metal.
970628;1420763298;asciilifeform;aha
970629;1420763302;asciilifeform;not the only edible one, either
970630;1420763309;asciilifeform;Bi is mostly inert in man
970631;1420763313;mircea_popescu;anyway, gold oxides and suspensions are very moderately toxic
970632;1420763320;asciilifeform;aha. coordination complex.
970633;1420763322;mircea_popescu;(the colodial silver folk are the working study group for this)
970634;1420763332;asciilifeform;(recall how aqua regia works)
970635;1420763340;pete_dushenski;asciilifeform http://www.contravex.com/2014/12/29/immigration-policy-is-about-barriers-to-entry-not-fairness-or-how-paul-graham-thinks-programmers-are-inventors/#comment-7994
970636;1420763341;assbot;Immigration policy is about barriers to entry, not fairness; or how Paul Graham thinks programmers are inventors | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski ... ( http://bit.ly/1xKEm4H )
970637;1420763433;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform: though if nanotube goes in for this, omidyar should go <<< turns out stan is ALSO toxic
970638;1420763450;mircea_popescu;uncontrolled laughter with liduid aspiration
970639;1420763455;mircea_popescu;possibly life threatening.
970640;1420763457;asciilifeform;pete_dushenski: i merely thought it was odd that you brought up two figures who are not, afaik, known to have invented anything as examples of inventor
970641;1420763505;pete_dushenski;hmm. "known" ?
970642;1420763514;pete_dushenski;i mean you know a lot about a lot of things
970643;1420763534;asciilifeform;pete_dushenski: possibly you knew of some invention that i am not aware of, attributed to these men ?
970644;1420763553;mircea_popescu;now i gotta checkthis
970645;1420763569;pete_dushenski;i guess an "inventor" for me doesn't have to have a specific product attributed to them
970646;1420763581;pete_dushenski;as much as being known for their, well, craftiness
970647;1420763588;asciilifeform;for instance, one often meets with discussion of how edison 'did not invent' x. which, for most values of x, is technically true. but i have not been able to find evidence (did try) that he is not the actual inventor of phonograph.
970648;1420763591;mircea_popescu;well he doesn't mean inventor-inventor, like tesla.
970649;1420763592;pete_dushenski;to which point i think both deserve some credit
970650;1420763598;mircea_popescu;he means what graham means. business major.
970651;1420763612;asciilifeform;(though a certain frenchman did record audio in a very edisonesque manner, without playing back, a few years before e.)
970652;1420763652;pete_dushenski;sure, but edison is still an inventor
970653;1420763663;pete_dushenski;whether or not he was "the first to 'invent' xyz"
970654;1420763672;asciilifeform;pete_dushenski: herr jobs & bezos are well-known figures but they are 'inventors' in much the same way as they are ballerinas.
970655;1420763680;mircea_popescu;so the opposite of inventor is "anonymous" ?
970656;1420763690;pete_dushenski;lol
970657;1420763695;asciilifeform;what's the opposite of ballerina ?
970658;1420763703;mircea_popescu;i was talking to him lol.
970659;1420763704;pete_dushenski;unballerina
970660;1420763707;pete_dushenski;tap dancer
970661;1420763718;mircea_popescu;and the opposite of ballerina is, dependopopotamus.
970662;1420763728;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27000 @ 0.00062859 = 16.9719 BTC [+]
970663;1420763739;asciilifeform;l0l
970664;1420763805;mircea_popescu;i guess if you're a lesbian ballerina coneisseurette, it's a dildo.
970665;1420763809;mircea_popescu;still starts with d.
970666;1420763855;pete_dushenski;in a way, i suppose that the opposite of an inventor is anonymous...
970667;1420763886;pete_dushenski;not that the opposite of anonymous is an inventor
970668;1420763925;mircea_popescu;so what's spinoza ?
970669;1420763953;pete_dushenski;writer, philosopher...
970670;1420763958;pete_dushenski;i see where you're going
970671;1420763976;mircea_popescu;On April 5, DPR wrote: "I've received the picture and deleted it. Thank you again for your swift action."
970672;1420763978;mircea_popescu;dude...
970673;1420763980;mircea_popescu;HE DELETED IT
970674;1420763985;pete_dushenski;and it might be a bit loose to call spinoza an inventor given that he only crafted words
970675;1420763997;mircea_popescu;i enjoy reading these articles even if it's the same subject matter all over again,
970676;1420764001;mircea_popescu;because it's all so damned funny.
970677;1420764009;mircea_popescu;sorta like watching carlin over.
970678;1420764020;mircea_popescu;pete_dushenski iirc he invented some lens bits.
970679;1420764050;pete_dushenski;mircea_popescu aha yknow come to think of it that rings a bell
970680;1420764065;pete_dushenski;you just caught me in the middle of reading "ethics" again and that's the salient bit
970681;1420764087;mircea_popescu;but, since he's mentioned,
970682;1420764090;mircea_popescu;Schisms do not originate in a love of truth, which is a source of courtesy and gentleness, but rather in an inordinate desire for supremacy. From all these considerations it is clearer than the Sun at noonday, that the true schismatics are those who condemn other men's writings, and seditiously stir up the quarrelsome masses against their authors, rather than those authors themselves, who generally write only for the l
970683;1420764090;mircea_popescu;earned, and appeal solely to reason. In fact, the real disturbers of the peace are those who, in a free state, seek to curtail the liberty of judgment which they are unable to tyrannize over.
970684;1420764220;pete_dushenski;sharp
970685;1420764238;BingoBoingo;<pete_dushenski> BingoBoingo right, but you're saying there's no domestic need in the texas area? << Texas itself net exports on its own
970686;1420764260;mircea_popescu;this is true.
970687;1420764329;pete_dushenski;“The greatest secret of monarchic rule...is to keep men deceived and to cloak in the specious name of religion the fear by which they must be checked, so that they will fight for slavery as they would for salvation, and will think it not shameful, but a most honorable achievement, to give their life and blood that one man may have a ground for boasting.”
970688;1420764349;pete_dushenski;BingoBoingo ok, but it's neighbours too?
970689;1420764370;mircea_popescu;well actually i don't think it's shameful either.
970690;1420764385;mircea_popescu;what else would life&blood be given for ? moar offspring ?
970691;1420764423;mircea_popescu;shit, "human girls asshole" search string trendingon trilema. THE ALIENS HAVE LANDED!
970692;1420764428;mircea_popescu;looking for butts to probe
970693;1420764442;BingoBoingo;<pete_dushenski> BingoBoingo ok, but it's neighbours too? << Yes, especially the neighbors. "Fracking"
970694;1420764447;asciilifeform;(human (girl's asshole))
970695;1420764460;asciilifeform;like 'human cannonball' etc
970696;1420764487;pete_dushenski;mircea_popescu spinoza's just saying it's a "secret"
970697;1420764504;mircea_popescu;who would need oil there, arizona ?! new mexico ?
970698;1420764530;BingoBoingo;<mircea_popescu> who would need oil there, arizona ?! new mexico ? << This. Also Oklahomo, Louisiana...
970699;1420764540;pete_dushenski;further north, monsanto farms
970700;1420764547;pete_dushenski;i dunno
970701;1420764642;BingoBoingo;pete_dushenski> further north, monsanto farms Further north and Keystone XL doesn't need to be as long. Right now trains and barges move crude. Refineries scatted around as well.
970702;1420765698;BingoBoingo;I actually think this whole fracking/pipeline thing is rather poetic. The United States is literally shattering the country's bedrock to become more like Nigeria.
970703;1420765838;asciilifeform;!up RagnarDanneskjol
970704;1420765847;asciilifeform;somebody do it
970705;1420765872;nubbins`;!up CerberusVM
970706;1420765877;nubbins`;o woe is me
970707;1420765886;asciilifeform;RagnarDanneskjol> asciilifeform - update from nano from few hours ago:
970708;1420765886;asciilifeform;<RagnarDanneskjol> (23:51:57) nanotube: hi, looks like outbound connectivity is dead on my vps. filed support request, would appreciate someone to take a look
970709;1420765911;nubbins`;hi, looks like i was offline for 2 weeks and am only now noticing :D
970710;1420765914;asciilifeform;any ops awake ?
970711;1420765959;BingoBoingo;!up[ RagnarDanneskjol
970712;1420765980;BingoBoingo;!up CerberusVM
970713;1420765991;BingoBoingo;!up RagnarDanneskjol
970714;1420766022;TomServo;mircea_popescu: Naw, I had just noticed he joined the chan earlier.
970715;1420766023;nubbins`;CerberusVM: welcome
970716;1420766042;nubbins`;apologies for the technical difficulties, gribble's absence has left us mildly encumbered
970717;1420766543;thestringpuller;we have ops now?
970718;1420766560;thestringpuller;what if nanotube leaving was an attempt to make ops in our channel
970719;1420766564;asciilifeform;whateverthey'recalled
970720;1420766567;thestringpuller;kakobrekla and mircea_popescu were in on it
970721;1420766691;BingoBoingo;!up pete_dushenski
970722;1420766697;BingoBoingo;!up PeterL
970723;1420766719;pete_dushenski;heya PeterL
970724;1420766740;RagnarDanneskjol;While we anxiously await gribb's return, its worth mentioning, the best btc exchange avail is funded by donations...address is at bottom of OTC website
970725;1420766743;pete_dushenski;since there's no ;;later function, you'll note that i left you a msg in the logs
970726;1420766745;RagnarDanneskjol;https://mobile.twitter.com/pete_dushenski/status/533660967549157376
970727;1420766746;assbot;Twitter ... ( http://bit.ly/14AqyyU )
970728;1420766746;PeterL;wrt pipeline: I thought they were piping it to texas because that is where the refineries are, refineries are there because that is where ports are?
970729;1420766794;BingoBoingo;PeterL: Well a number of refineries there, but there' refineries pretty much everywhere.
970730;1420766910;pete_dushenski;off on a date. laters!
970731;1420767030;PeterL;Justin Amash has an interesting take on the issue, https://www.facebook.com/repjustinamash/posts/557041991001878
970732;1420767032;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1x1b64w )
970733;1420767074;thestringpuller;asciilifeform: convenience is appreciated esp. by the chronically inconvenienced. << does this mean you also appreciate time management?
970734;1420767153;*;asciilifeform confused
970735;1420767510;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 50000 @ 0.00062169 = 31.0845 BTC [-]
970736;1420767965;PeterL;mircea_popescu: you said a replacement for gribble auth was in the works, were you referring to "gossipd" or a more readily available something else, like using assbot for auth?
970737;1420767979;mircea_popescu;PeterL the latter.
970738;1420767993;PeterL;any details available?
970739;1420768005;mircea_popescu;fwiw, nano said hi earlier, benign story is benign.
970740;1420768027;mircea_popescu;nevertheless, the agreement is adding assbot wot capabilities is desirable and strengthens the whole shebang overall
970741;1420768045;mircea_popescu;so, shouldn't be so very long.
970742;1420768065;mircea_popescu;tempted to guess it'll be before bitstamp's exchange's back online at any rate :D
970743;1420768074;PeterL;lol
970744;1420769767;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 46750 @ 0.00064463 = 30.1365 BTC [+]
970745;1420770109;nanotube;yes, nanotube is alive. unfortunately, my server network isn't so much. :)
970746;1420770223;mod6;wb nano
970747;1420770404;nanotube;:)
970748;1420770446;thestringpuller;mircea_popescu: nevertheless, the agreement is adding assbot wot capabilities is desirable and strengthens the whole shebang overall << will assbot write to a wot db - assbot_wot.db if you will? or will it just be read-only?
970749;1420770536;mircea_popescu;read only wouldn't make much sense would it.
970750;1420770595;thestringpuller;ah so the wot is forking ;)
970751;1420770657;mircea_popescu;on the plus side, since we have the signed pastebin thing down pat by now,
970752;1420770661;mircea_popescu;it can actually do signed ratings
970753;1420770716;mike_c;can it get 'rated since' right?  so you don't have to weigh whether it is worth changing a rating description vs losing the original rating date.
970754;1420770742;thestringpuller;if you're upgrading why not take revision of rating
970755;1420770753;thestringpuller;rating v1 v2 v3
970756;1420770774;mike_c;meh. i don't mind replacing.  rating shouldn't necessarily follow you forever.
970757;1420770775;mircea_popescu;mike_c this is a good idea huh.
970758;1420770823;mircea_popescu;that weighing is a bitch.
970759;1420770865;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29550 @ 0.00062202 = 18.3807 BTC [-]
970760;1420770897;thestringpuller;mike_c: well some things stay ony our credit report for years even if the rating changes :P
970761;1420770901;thestringpuller;on your*
970762;1420770920;mike_c;yes.  thankfully we are not experian :)
970763;1420770955;thestringpuller;when did the cult become forgiving :P
970764;1420770971;mircea_popescu;if they're signed they don't go away anyway.
970765;1420770982;mircea_popescu;hekc, the old ones don't go away either, you can just log the chan.
970766;1420771004;thestringpuller;they can if you rate through pm
970767;1420771019;mike_c;there's a channel with all rating updates
970768;1420771027;thestringpuller;oh rly?
970769;1420771030;asciilifeform;gonna be a mega-lol when 'gossip' is plugged in and we do yet another 'year zero'..
970770;1420771055;thestringpuller;so the db is gonna be fresh, everyone has to re-register keys and stuff?
970771;1420771071;thestringpuller;by mention of 'year zero' ~_~
970772;1420771076;mike_c;thestringpuller: #bitcoin-otc-ratings
970773;1420771112;asciilifeform;a full-bore year zero would require everybody suddenly forgetting their keys
970774;1420771123;mircea_popescu;thestringpuller i dun see why it would have to be fresh.
970775;1420771134;mircea_popescu;there's copies to the old one prev to jan 6th or w/e.
970776;1420771153;mircea_popescu;same for gossipd.
970777;1420771157;thestringpuller;yah just wondering.
970778;1420771165;thestringpuller;asciilifeform had me confused with 'year zero'
970779;1420771172;thestringpuller;i was thinking of the NiN album
970780;1420771178;*;asciilifeform just fond of the phrase
970781;1420771191;thestringpuller;then you'll love the album :P
970782;1420771812;BingoBoingo;!up blazeme8
970783;1420771816;blazeme8;ty
970784;1420771819;BingoBoingo;!up kermit
970785;1420771819;blazeme8;what's WoT?
970786;1420771861;BingoBoingo;The instrument of restoring Venetian civilization
970787;1420771907;mircea_popescu;blazeme8 http://trilema.com/2014/what-the-wot-is-for-how-it-works-and-how-to-use-it/
970788;1420771907;assbot;What the WoT is for, how it works and how to use it. pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.  ... ( http://bit.ly/1tRTbmv )
970789;1420771940;blazeme8;ooohh the thing from bitcoin-otc
970790;1420771954;mircea_popescu;yea
970791;1420772149;blazeme8;man I have no idea if i still have my key
970792;1420772329;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14652 @ 0.00065395 = 9.5817 BTC [+]
970793;1420772575;BingoBoingo;http://www.wsj.com/articles/obama-to-call-for-two-years-of-free-community-college-for-all-students-1420760026 << Now Obola wants to rob people of entire years of their life
970794;1420772576;assbot;      Obama Calls for Two Years of Free Community College for All Students - WSJ     ... ( http://bit.ly/1Ix7xtC )
970795;1420772628;BingoBoingo;https://twitter.com/richardwarnica/status/553361241704771585
970796;1420772631;assbot;"You have to be careful about drinking around me," Cosby just said to a woman in the crowd. Loud gasps from the audience.
970797;1420772666;BingoBoingo;https://twitter.com/richardwarnica/status/553361505723621377
970798;1420772668;assbot;The gasps then changed to cheers and applause.
970799;1420772925;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo gotta keep them somewhere
970800;1420772930;mircea_popescu;would you prefer working camps ?
970801;1420773004;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: Maybe? Then again I don't have a community college degree. Maybe I should stick around in the US just long enough to get an Obama degree.
970802;1420773033;mircea_popescu;what's this, like the aids joke ?
970803;1420773063;mircea_popescu;(bum goes to donate blood. "do you have aids ?" "no. do you ?" "actually... yes." "gimme two.")
970804;1420773109;BingoBoingo;lol
970805;1420773151;BingoBoingo;Trying to catch AIDs for the welfare is apparently actually a subculture.
970806;1420773166;mircea_popescu;;;google "poz my neg hole"
970807;1420773200;BingoBoingo;;;google bugchasing
970808;1420774379;scoopbot;New post on Trilema by Mircea Popescu: http://trilema.com/2015/xidiff-retirement/
970809;1420774502;nanotube;gribble should be coming back any time now.
970810;1420774578;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: Broken link in that latest post
970811;1420774793;thestringpuller;welcome back gribble
970812;1420774797;thestringpuller;;;echo it's good to be back
970813;1420774806;thestringpuller;:(
970814;1420774816;gribble;it's good to be back
970815;1420774924;danielpbarron;https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B6yQYkMIYAAhu96.jpg
970816;1420774925;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1AO9HVn )
970817;1420775073;thestringpuller;she's cute lol
970818;1420775209;BingoBoingo;http://crazyrxman.blogspot.com/2015/01/the-irony-of-authorities-inventory.html
970819;1420775210;assbot;Crazy RxMan: The Irony of The Authorities' Inventory Management ... ( http://bit.ly/1AOaMfU )
970820;1420775452;BingoBoingo;http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-5lETKoWP-j4/VJmC5KY9BEI/AAAAAAAAKxU/sxlODQUDslo/s1600/tumblr_nfcelg4CWO1qabj53o1_500.jpeg
970821;1420775453;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1wAkBsx )
970822;1420775564;BingoBoingo;!up svetlana
970823;1420776342;thestringpuller;!up GNULinuxGuy
970824;1420776782;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 61550 @ 0.00061813 = 38.0459 BTC [-] {5} 
970825;1420776806;BingoBoingo;;;ticker
970826;1420776807;gribble;Error: Failure to retrieve ticker. Try again later.
970827;1420776898;danielpbarron;http://www.warriorforum.com/social-media/1020448-sobit-bitcoin-social-network.html#post9798699
970828;1420776899;assbot; SoBIT an Bitcoin Social Network  ... ( http://bit.ly/1wAqjuh )
970829;1420777453;BingoBoingo;!up justusranvier
970830;1420777585;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo ty!
970831;1420777754;mircea_popescu;lol @derpy blondy
970832;1420777946;mircea_popescu;i don't get chemist's complaint.
970833;1420778016;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: Was told to cut $$$ value of inventory, was sent a bunch of expensive about to expire.
970834;1420778066;*;ben_vulpes sighs, cracks neck
970835;1420778071;mircea_popescu;obviously ?
970836;1420778086;mircea_popescu;the two are unrelated tho. they had some shit about to expire. of coruse it gets sent out.
970837;1420778090;mircea_popescu;what else, sit on it ?
970838;1420778178;BingoBoingo;Well, Zostavax is notorious for being used infrequently to never.
970839;1420778187;mircea_popescu;i suppose the error is the bizarre notion that headquarters is in the business of doing the shop's job, only they have better tools ?
970840;1420778197;mircea_popescu;that's not how business works. the shop is in the business of solving hq's problems. all of them.
970841;1420778207;mircea_popescu;that's why the shop exists. if it doesn't do that, it can dangle.
970842;1420778207;BingoBoingo;Right, and HQ does the shop's job poorly
970843;1420778227;mircea_popescu;zostavax is notorious for being the main source of shingles in the us, but that's another story.
970844;1420778234;BingoBoingo;Sure.
970845;1420778250;BingoBoingo;Prevents/causes shingles
970846;1420778261;mircea_popescu;anyway, the reason they pushed for lowering inventory is probably exactly the fact that they keep ending up with shit that doesn'tsell because it expires.
970847;1420778281;mircea_popescu;if anything that delivery is the explanation of why the fuck the call was even necessary.
970848;1420778329;BingoBoingo;Right. Example of inept "failed to success" HQ crowd
970849;1420778333;BingoBoingo;Like Obola
970850;1420778356;danielpbarron;;;later tell grubles any comment on this? http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=23-12-2014#959288
970851;1420778356;assbot;Logged on 23-12-2014 19:47:34; mircea_popescu: re the entire grubles/bitvps thing : the listing was discussed for a while, in a public channel. grubles was there, and not only represented himself in agreement, but represented rg as the owner of the thing.
970852;1420778356;gribble;The operation succeeded.
970853;1420778359;mircea_popescu;speaking of horrible us pharma crapola that's ended up giving vaccines a bad name in the us, and the people who (properly!) refuse vaccination now get to be depicted as redneck savages because o noes, vaccines are great (they would be, and they were before us companies got involved) :
970854;1420778372;mircea_popescu;i am deeply amused at how everything's "an allergic reaction" now.
970855;1420778378;mircea_popescu;perhaps because it sounds so like allogenic.
970856;1420778382;BingoBoingo;Why lawyer with a law degree when you can "community organize" for better hours and pay
970857;1420778399;mircea_popescu;anyway, "got shingles from the merck vaccine ? O ITS JUS TAN ALLERGIC REACTION WILL GO AWAY"
970858;1420778406;mircea_popescu;guess what fuckers... so would shingles.
970859;1420778444;BingoBoingo;Well, live virus vaccine and Elderly patients are circles you don't want touching on a Venn Diagram anyways.
970860;1420778465;mircea_popescu;but you gotta sell crap for 200 bux a pop or w/e it is
970861;1420778515;BingoBoingo;Yeah
970862;1420778518;mircea_popescu;and i fat least all this embezzled money went into research, you know ? all the idiots that gave themselves zona zooster because "medicine" and "Science" could at least serve humanity.
970863;1420778542;mircea_popescu;but, just like in the case of shittywood and so on, the actual creatives get 1.5% and tjhey gotta be in a union for that even.
970864;1420778551;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 2500 @ 0.00089285 = 2.2321 BTC [-] {14} 
970865;1420778688;BingoBoingo;Well, it is one of those cases where what works for polio does not work for the more beneign herpes zoster.
970866;1420778758;mircea_popescu;this is perhaps the best example of bs. first off, idiot us derps are more affraid of pain than anytihng. so let's create this fantastic disease which CAN HURT REALLY BAD
970867;1420778766;mircea_popescu;which it can, theoretically, in extremely rare cases.
970868;1420778784;mircea_popescu;and then let's sell a vaccine for it. which is a shitload more expensive than a useful one, like the polio one.
970869;1420778807;mircea_popescu;vaccine doesn't work, but that's ok, because the thing it "protects " against doesn't really happen.
970870;1420778816;BingoBoingo;I mean shingles is the perfect disease that hurts bad without threatening life.
970871;1420778818;mircea_popescu;if that's not the 3rd millenium united states i have no idea what is.
970872;1420778916;BingoBoingo;<mircea_popescu> if that's not the 3rd millenium united states i have no idea what is. << Well also the part where the only chance most USians have to gape in awe at a golden toilet is at the doctor's (or increasingly almost doctor's)
970873;1420778918;[]bot;Bet created: "LTC to top one bitcent before March" http://bitbet.us/bet/1097/
970874;1420779168;[]bot;Bet created: "LTC to fall below half a bitcent before March" http://bitbet.us/bet/1098/
970875;1420779470;mircea_popescu;check out idiotpedia : "An allogenic succession can be brought about in a number of ways which can include: Volcanic eruptions Meteor or comet strike Flooding Drought Earthquakes Non-anthropogenic climate change"
970876;1420779483;mircea_popescu;totally. except the only climate change documented to date is caused BY FUCKING BACTERIA
970877;1420779529;mircea_popescu;not by humans. and it doesn't properly fit allogenic succession definition, but because, like the putative anthropogenic climate change that allegedly is being prevented by that dumb teenager in the snow up in the log, is caused by fucking living things.
970878;1420779561;mircea_popescu;then people want to know why retardopedia is not a source of information. this is why. because in the mouths of the stupid, even good sense loses itself.
970879;1420779633;mircea_popescu;there's no intrinsic quality that makes a text string "science". it's the signature on it. a repository of anon derpage can be an encyclopedia like a pile of ascari lumbricoides can be my wife.
970880;1420779639;mircea_popescu;"hey, it's genetic material". sure it is.
970881;1420779751;[]bot;Bet created: "15% incremental difficulty increase before April" http://bitbet.us/bet/1099/
970882;1420779794;[]bot;Bet placed: 2 BTC for No on "15% incremental difficulty increase before April" http://bitbet.us/bet/1099/ Odds: 0(Y):100(N) by coin, 0(Y):100(N) by weight. Total bet: 2 BTC. Current weight: 100,000.
970883;1420779809;[]bot;Bet placed: 1 BTC for No on "LTC to top one bitcent before March" http://bitbet.us/bet/1097/ Odds: 4(Y):96(N) by coin, 4(Y):96(N) by weight. Total bet: 1.1 BTC. Current weight: 99,975.
970884;1420779983;*;BingoBoingo suspects dead virus "chicken pox" vaccine isn't possible without triggering serious autoimmune issues. Herpes is in our DNA.
970885;1420780127;mircea_popescu;more like it's one of those viruses for which the capsid plays so many functions, it's not really anything without it
970886;1420780215;BingoBoingo;Yeah. Also successful enough to bury its blueprints within our own almsot universally.
970887;1420780583;[]bot;Bet created: "Cardano to Ship in 2015" http://bitbet.us/bet/1100/
970888;1420780614;mircea_popescu;wasn't there one of these ?
970889;1420780653;mircea_popescu;lol 3. xmas, 2014 now 2015
970890;1420780667;mircea_popescu;lucky asciilifeform is out of bitcoin, can't put nething down :D
970891;1420781684;[]bot;Bet placed: 1 BTC for No on "Cardano to Ship in 2015" http://bitbet.us/bet/1100/ Odds: 5(Y):95(N) by coin, 5(Y):95(N) by weight. Total bet: 1.1 BTC. Current weight: 99,997.
970892;1420781980;thestringpuller;damn asciilifeform can't get a break
970893;1420782394;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27800 @ 0.00065 = 18.07 BTC [+]
970894;1420782595;mod6;;;bc,stats
970895;1420782598;gribble;Current Blocks: 338158 | Current Difficulty: 4.064095501657649E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 338687 | Next Difficulty In: 529 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 3 days, 10 hours, 26 minutes, and 29 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 44388130141.5 | Estimated Percent Change: 9.22019
970896;1420782601;BingoBoingo;;;ticker
970897;1420782602;gribble;Error: Failure to retrieve ticker. Try again later.
970898;1420782614;BingoBoingo;;;ticker --market btce
970899;1420782615;gribble;BTC-E BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 282.048, Best ask: 282.049, Bid-ask spread: 0.00100, Last trade: 282.048, 24 hour volume: 7930.86953, 24 hour low: 277.10599, 24 hour high: 291.979, 24 hour vwap: 284.542495
970900;1420782629;BingoBoingo;US emigration law is fucked
970901;1420782699;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 82051 @ 0.00065916 = 54.0847 BTC [+] {6} 
970902;1420784078;fluffypony;lol, the XPY crowd apparently don't like CoinFire: http://imgur.com/ksgp5fF
970903;1420784081;assbot;                        imgur: the simple image sharer ... ( http://bit.ly/1AzabzJ )
970904;1420786941;thestringpuller;!up MetatronOne
970905;1420789096;mircea_popescu;wo's thje xpy crowd ?
970906;1420789162;mircea_popescu;lmao wait, garza's scamcoin now has an army on top of all the other things it doesn't have ?
970907;1420789165;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: The Homero Garza cult
970908;1420789171;mircea_popescu;wtf happened to "brick and mortar stores" ?
970909;1420789180;mircea_popescu;not to mention a bottom line and stuff like that.
970910;1420789206;BingoBoingo;Their problem is they lack an effective prophet of doom like the one we maintain in danielpbarron
970911;1420789221;BingoBoingo;Essential cult 101 stuff
970912;1420789231;mircea_popescu;lulzy anyway. cazalla pops their bubble, they go kill some dude in indiana ?
970913;1420789273;BingoBoingo;To be fair unlike qntra coinfire keeps poking that dead thing instead of trying to respect the only enough bullets to kill it rule.
970914;1420789287;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 37700 @ 0.00066284 = 24.9891 BTC [+] {3} 
970915;1420789294;mircea_popescu;heh.
970916;1420789309;mircea_popescu;tbh, i dun see what further news can be had on it.
970917;1420789314;mircea_popescu;"scam blew up."
970918;1420789316;mircea_popescu;ok...
970919;1420789351;BingoBoingo;Well, coinfire keeps talking about every new wound that emerges as it bleeds out.
970920;1420789382;BingoBoingo;The qntra position in contrast is its dead, let it rot in relative peace.
970921;1420789434;*;BingoBoingo swears a piece on Roger Ver and American emigration law is indeed coming. Looking like it will be the biggest turd I've dropped into qntra's bowl so far.
970922;1420789452;mircea_popescu;have cazalla cut out words if unsure.
970923;1420789458;mircea_popescu;news should be snappy.
970924;1420789552;BingoBoingo;Organizing it is still the problem being wrestled with. Elbow deep in the horse rectum of 'Murican emigration law and hand's feeling numb because that sphincter is tight like East Germany's was.
970925;1420789582;mircea_popescu;heh
970926;1420789591;mircea_popescu;now im looking forward to see this thing
970927;1420789659;BingoBoingo;Well. Working on getting this one right considering it may be applicable to my own plan to escape the moon by stacking chairs.
970928;1420789784;mircea_popescu;http://bitbet.us/bet/786/bitcoin-to-surpass-berkshire-as-an-investment/#c2616
970929;1420789785;assbot;BitBet - Bitcoin to surpass Berkshire as an investment :: 1121.15 B (20%) on Yes, 4375.82 B (80%) on No | closing in 1 month 6 days | weight: 10`934 (100`000 to 1) ... ( http://bit.ly/1BSZ1mH )
970930;1420789789;mircea_popescu;"That's quite publicity for MP for a mere 5 BTC (he owns half bitbet), maybe less. (It's obvious that bitcoin will go up faster, so not many will bet no)"
970931;1420789796;mircea_popescu;gotta love the wisdom of the crowds.
970932;1420789844;BingoBoingo;Sample preview sentence: While most civilized states merely require proof of onward travel in a form as simple as a plane ticket to a destination outside of their borders, United States consulates in making determinations however evaluate applicants "holistically" with an emphasis not on forward travel for potential visitors, but on return specifically to their country of residence.
970933;1420790166;BingoBoingo;It's mostly just a mind fuck documenting the behavior of a gravity well from a non-astronomical perspective.
970934;1420790189;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo i forget, what was the bitcoin bowl thing cost ?
970935;1420790224;BingoBoingo;$500k for sponsorhips rights alone. The rest of the marketing all came with other costs.
970936;1420790244;BingoBoingo;Actual owner of the game is "ESPN Events"
970937;1420790498;BingoBoingo;So actual mindfuck. Many of the treaties offering USians Visa free travel... demand the US reciprocate...
970938;1420790544;mircea_popescu;aha.
970939;1420790608;BingoBoingo;If not always in the treaty text, often in the national laws of counterparty states reciprocity is mandated.
970940;1420790751;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27000 @ 0.00064595 = 17.4407 BTC [-]
970941;1420791150;mircea_popescu;so ?
970942;1420791320;BingoBoingo;Just weird digging into the ways the US really is rogue.
970943;1420791349;BingoBoingo;Prolly easier to count they ways USia is compliant than deviant
970944;1420791553;BingoBoingo;I mean the US has its own bizzaro EU with Microneia, the Marshall Islands, and Palau
970945;1420791616;BingoBoingo;Germany only wishes the EU could be so lopsided
970946;1420793088;mircea_popescu;http://trilema.com/2013/and-another-one-bites-the-dust-picostocks/ << lol remember last year ?
970947;1420793089;assbot;And another one bites the dust : Picostocks pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.  ... ( http://bit.ly/1BTaKS5 )
970948;1420793275;mircea_popescu;http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/jackson-palmer-year-dogecoin-jar-nutella-all-i-have-show-1478649 << pretty sweet.
970949;1420793276;assbot;Jackson Palmer: I created $20m Dogecoin phenomenon and all I have to show for it is a jar of Nutella ... ( http://bit.ly/1BTbpTG )
970950;1420793749;davout;yay all hail gribble
970951;1420793908;davout;thestringpuller: you can hardly resolve 'never launched', you may be able to decide whether something was active at some date
970952;1420793949;mircea_popescu;http://nypost.com/2015/01/03/afraid-of-loss-espn-makes-fast-cash-on-bitcoin-payment
970953;1420793952;assbot;Afraid of loss, ESPN makes fast cash on Bitcoin payment | New York Post ... ( http://bit.ly/1AzDnqk )
970954;1420793957;mircea_popescu;heh. some publicity.
970955;1420794004;davout;i'd word the bet "there exists a block > 1m, building on main net, with block index <= ARBITRARY_TRESHOLD , that gets more than 2016 confirmations, in less than a month"
970956;1420794077;davout;mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=07-01-2015&bots=true#968852 <<< by all means :D
970957;1420794077;assbot;Logged on 07-01-2015 19:12:27; mircea_popescu: i guess ima have to bring an exchange online willy-nilly.
970958;1420794082;mircea_popescu;and then people disagree on what "main net" means
970959;1420794174;davout;mircea_popescu: defined by the first block's hash
970960;1420794185;mircea_popescu;i don't follow ?
970961;1420794189;davout;or alternatively any current block hash
970962;1420794201;mircea_popescu;so every orphan chain is "main net" ?
970963;1420794213;cazalla;My apologies to any and all annoyed by my drunken spamming of the channel last night..
970964;1420794213;davout;there's also the work part
970965;1420794225;mircea_popescu;cazalla nobody cared.
970966;1420794271;davout;also an orphan would only get 50 confirmations at infinity, not in a month
970967;1420794276;scoopbot;New post on Trilema by Mircea Popescu: http://trilema.com/2015/heres-part-n-of-our-endless-saga-aptly-titled-the-people-know-shit-or-alternatively-nothings-dumber-than-the-voice-in-the-crowd/
970968;1420794288;mircea_popescu;davout there exists something like that already, "gavin's orphan chain won't die before 50 block long"
970969;1420794289;mircea_popescu;in log
970970;1420794305;davout;i think it missed the timeframe bit amirite
970971;1420794307;mircea_popescu;an orphan can be any arbitrary length.
970972;1420794338;davout;yeah, but if it manages 2016 confs in a month it has at least half the hashpower
970973;1420794364;mircea_popescu;...
970974;1420794401;mircea_popescu;that's an interesting approach.
970975;1420794407;mircea_popescu;confirm debit.
970976;1420794415;mircea_popescu;isn't it 2160 btw ?
970977;1420794428;davout;2016 iirc
970978;1420794762;punkman;https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/2rrxq7/on_why_010s_release_notes_say_we_have_reason_to/
970979;1420794765;assbot;On why 0.10's release notes say "we have reason to believe that libsecp256k1 is better tested and more thoroughly reviewed than the implementation in OpenSSL" : Bitcoin ... ( http://bit.ly/1BThrna )
970980;1420794978;mircea_popescu;sounds great.
970981;1420795590;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/2rrxq7/on_why_010s_release_notes_say_we_have_reason_to/cnipifq << gmaxwell aware enough to notice [one of] trezor holes.
970982;1420795593;assbot;nullc comments on On why 0.10's release notes say "we have reason to believe that libsecp256k1 is better tested and more thoroughly reviewed than the implementation in OpenSSL" ... ( http://bit.ly/1AzJuem )
970983;1420796010;mircea_popescu;fluffypony that you in there, pointing out gmaxwell's idiocy ?
970984;1420796017;fluffypony;mircea_popescu: yes
970985;1420796041;mircea_popescu;you know, i despise reddit, and that thing's a fine example, like are many others.
970986;1420796050;fluffypony;I applaud the test coverage, and I do agree that OpenSSL is shitty, but I don't understand the logic in writing from scratch
970987;1420796053;mircea_popescu;but i do respect the sort of idiot that will actually go in there and do that sort of thing.
970988;1420796073;mircea_popescu;it doesn't plead in favour for your intelligence, but it is certainly noble.
970989;1420796142;mircea_popescu;so if you had to guess, how many previously innocent reddit read your comment and figured "hmm... there's something here" ?
970990;1420796191;fluffypony;precious few
970991;1420796213;mircea_popescu;well, don't burn out. intelligence is relatively common
970992;1420796216;mircea_popescu;patience... rare.
970993;1420796277;fluffypony;well at least it makes for a change from "omg gaw are skammirz, we had no idae"
970994;1420796413;mircea_popescu;anyway, i very much doubt nullc actually has any idea as to what's going on, apart from being in the room when it was explained and now typing words on reddit. and i doubt wuille actually did anything deliberately nefarious there.
970995;1420796441;mircea_popescu;but yes openssl is warty. especially for this use. and heck, more tests... never hurt.
970996;1420796978;mircea_popescu;fluffypony how big is polarssl ?
970997;1420797002;fluffypony;mircea_popescu: binaries or codebase?
970998;1420797006;mircea_popescu;the ecc codebase specificaly
970999;1420797045;mircea_popescu;i'm sort of pondering creating a "compare openssl / polarssl / blockstream ec implementations" research project
971000;1420797058;fluffypony;hmmmm
971001;1420797071;mircea_popescu;i mean, tests, sure, provable code, sure, random tests, sure.
971002;1420797072;fluffypony;well
971003;1420797079;mircea_popescu;i am a great believer in code analysis myself.
971004;1420797098;fluffypony;the ecp functions and the ecp curves are ~3400 lines of code
971005;1420797099;fluffypony;including comments
971006;1420797107;fluffypony;lemme run a slocount on them
971007;1420797123;mircea_popescu;https://github.com/polarssl/polarssl/blob/development/include/polarssl/ecdsa.h that it ?
971008;1420797125;assbot;polarssl/ecdsa.h at development · polarssl/polarssl · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1zZ8SEW )
971009;1420797139;fluffypony;2206 actual lines of code
971010;1420797155;mircea_popescu;this is not so horribru.
971011;1420797166;fluffypony;no - in library/ecp_curves.c and library/ecp.c
971012;1420797188;fluffypony;it probably needs some other DRY bits
971013;1420797193;mircea_popescu;did blockstream actually publish the libsecp256k1 ?
971014;1420797194;fluffypony;but that's the bulk there
971015;1420797200;fluffypony;nfi
971016;1420797207;fluffypony;they must've if it's in 0.1
971017;1420797211;fluffypony;*0.10
971018;1420797212;mircea_popescu;orly.
971019;1420797236;mircea_popescu;https://github.com/bitcoin/secp256k1/blob/master/include/secp256k1.h
971020;1420797237;assbot;secp256k1/secp256k1.h at master · bitcoin/secp256k1 · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1zZ94UK )
971021;1420797237;mircea_popescu;there we go
971022;1420797252;fluffypony;yarp
971023;1420797259;punkman;I think that lib predates blockstream
971024;1420797271;fluffypony;yeah it does
971025;1420797291;fluffypony;March 2013
971026;1420797307;fluffypony;I'll bbiab, have to go shopping
971027;1420797329;mircea_popescu;um.
971028;1420797348;mircea_popescu;so they made it for the vc backed firm by recycling some older stuffs ?
971029;1420797428;punkman;probably someone else started it, they are trying to be relevant by doing "core" development now
971030;1420797445;punkman;so they'll stick their noses in many places
971031;1420797590;punkman;seems like it was Pieter Wuille's thing at first
971032;1420797899;mircea_popescu;well, tomorrow's thing. laters all.
971033;1420798437;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18516 @ 0.00065262 = 12.0839 BTC [+]
971034;1420798472;punkman;http://www.forbes.com/sites/nathanvardi/2014/12/01/the-king-of-online-gambling-is-34/
971035;1420798473;assbot;The King Of Online Gambling (Is 34) - Forbes ... ( http://bit.ly/1zZbTF6 )
971036;1420798742;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 55800 @ 0.00065262 = 36.4162 BTC [+] {2} 
971037;1420800816;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17550 @ 0.00064595 = 11.3364 BTC [-]
971038;1420802036;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3465 @ 0.00062412 = 2.1626 BTC [-]
971039;1420804172;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9600 @ 0.00063961 = 6.1403 BTC [+]
971040;1420807038;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5506 @ 0.00063961 = 3.5217 BTC [+]
971041;1420809565;[]bot;Bet placed: 1 BTC for No on "Light Sweet Crude Oil (WTI) to drop under $40 before Mar 2015" http://bitbet.us/bet/1096/ Odds: 45(Y):55(N) by coin, 47(Y):53(N) by weight. Total bet: 2.35388047 BTC. Current weight: 92,212.
971042;1420811857;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 3000 @ 0.0009305 = 2.7915 BTC [-] {4} 
971043;1420812711;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25900 @ 0.00064548 = 16.7179 BTC [+]
971044;1420815277;davout;http://fr.anco.is/2015/01/09/bitcointalk-staff/
971045;1420815278;assbot;#bitcointalk-staff | fr.anco.is ... ( http://bit.ly/1xMngmR )
971046;1420816060;thestringpuller;davout: yea I don't know how to word it. i know how to bet on exchanges going down.
971047;1420816088;thestringpuller;the 50 confirms on gavincoin chain is a little iffy
971048;1420816117;thestringpuller;but it may work for now :\
971049;1420816324;davout;thestringpuller: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=09-01-2015#970955
971050;1420816324;assbot;Logged on 09-01-2015 09:00:04; davout: i'd word the bet "there exists a block > 1m, building on main net, with block index <= ARBITRARY_TRESHOLD , that gets more than 2016 confirmations, in less than a month"
971051;1420816397;thestringpuller;that might work too
971052;1420816411;thestringpuller;how do you resolve? blockchain.info I personally wouldn't trust as a resolution source
971053;1420816415;thestringpuller;bitbet may be okay with it
971054;1420816551;davout;why would you need bc.info to count blocks and count hashes?
971055;1420816883;thestringpuller;you want someone at bitbet to count blocks manually?
971056;1420816962;davout;simply running a client on both chains and reading its output would do just fine
971057;1420816977;thestringpuller;but who would do that?
971058;1420816980;davout;or am i misunderstanding something you're saying here?
971059;1420817054;davout;i dunno lol, i'm just saying you don't need an intermediary to source the resolution data, the data is by definition public, right?
971060;1420817098;thestringpuller;this is valid point. what constitutes a public resolution source? I may be overthinking. But Bitbets get stricter every year (for good reason).
971061;1420817175;davout;the same source that makes us all agree on who owns which coins
971062;1420817294;thestringpuller;:D
971063;1420817351;thestringpuller;It would be interesting to see a blockchain war.
971064;1420817361;thestringpuller;A historic event for the ages.
971065;1420817376;davout;srsly, that could be one of the very few bets to be automatically solvable
971066;1420817399;thestringpuller;you make a great point. just have to word the bet correctly.
971067;1420819787;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18400 @ 0.00065262 = 12.0082 BTC [+]
971068;1420820706;thestringpuller;!t m s.qntr
971069;1420820706;assbot;[MPEX:S.QNTR] 1D: 0 / 0 / 0 (0 shares, 0 BTC), 7D: 0.00015 / 0.00015 / 0.00015 (7703 shares, 1.16 BTC), 30D: 0.00015 / 0.00015 / 0.00015 (7703 shares, 1.16 BTC)
971070;1420821708;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: ... gmaxwell aware enough to notice [one of] trezor holes. << the differential power thing is plain as daylight to anyone who has seen the published schematic.
971071;1420823356;thestringpuller;asciilifeform and his differential power analysis
971072;1420824843;jurov;he's looking forward to the day someone does DPA on his brain
971073;1420824865;jurov;"i was right all along!!!"
971074;1420824891;adlai;gribble's back!
971075;1420824902;jurov;;;seen gribble
971076;1420824902;gribble;I have not seen gribble.
971077;1420824905;jurov;nope
971078;1420824926;adlai;this is OK, when they attain self-awareness we should start worrying
971079;1420824991;jurov;http://www.sec.gov/Archives/edgar/data/1579346/000119312514457552/d721187ds1a.htm#toc721187_4 << twinklevoss filing, part "risks"
971080;1420824994;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/14Ap2fA )
971081;1420825053;jurov;"The Core Developers or other programmers could propose amendments to the Bitcoin Network’s protocols and software that, if accepted and authorized by the Bitcoin Network’s community, could adversely affect an investment in the Shares." huehue
971082;1420825070;adlai;yes this is a document, it has been published, there are no risks because nothing is for sale yet
971083;1420825113;*;adlai digs a little... hang on...
971084;1420825173;adlai;here we go: https://published.github.io/sec.gov/ChangeDetection%20-%20Comparison%20of:%20Amendment%20No.5.html
971085;1420825177;assbot;ChangeDetection - Comparison of: Amendment No.5 ... ( http://bit.ly/17qqGlG )
971086;1420825187;adlai;courtesy of leddit
971087;1420825410;davout;jurov: what's a DPA?
971088;1420825421;jurov;differential power analysis
971089;1420825430;davout;oic
971090;1420825445;davout;http://uk.reuters.com/article/2015/01/09/uk-bitstamp-cybersecurity-idUKKBN0KI0X620150109
971091;1420825446;assbot;      Bitcoin exchange Bitstamp says to resume trading on Friday| Reuters ... ( http://bit.ly/17qrw1Q )
971092;1420825454;davout;Merlak, 28, and his colleague Nejc Kodric, 25, both computer experts, founded Bitstamp in 2011. According to the Slovenian media the two had earned about 23 million euros ($27.2 million) from the enterprise which places them among the 50 richest Slovenians.
971093;1420825458;davout;kekd
971094;1420826010;adlai;and i'm among the 50 richest people from my army unit
971095;1420826188;davout;i'm the richest of my living rool!11
971096;1420826191;davout;*room
971097;1420826211;jurov;tsk,tsk. so much jealousy
971098;1420826566;davout;:D
971099;1420826942;thestringpuller;jurov is still the coolest slovenian of all
971100;1420827018;danielpbarron;http://gfy.com/20352560-post46.html
971101;1420827019;assbot;GoFuckYourself.com - Adult Webmaster Forum - View Single Post - Hot or Not Worst Investments  in 2014 ... ( http://bit.ly/14atAIM )
971102;1420827202;davout;thestringpuller: s/enian/akian/
971103;1420827518;jurov;we're all somalians anyway
971104;1420827534;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 1174 @ 0.00092021 = 1.0803 BTC [+] {2} 
971105;1420827580;davout;jurov: wrong, i'm nigerian
971106;1420828083;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 4267 @ 0.0008903 = 3.7989 BTC [-] {9} 
971107;1420828292;thestringpuller;we're all nigerian
971108;1420828305;thestringpuller;ls
971109;1420828322;ben_vulpes;;;ls
971110;1420828323;gribble;What do you think I am, a shell?
971111;1420828327;ben_vulpes;;;ticker
971112;1420828328;gribble;Error: Failure to retrieve ticker. Try again later.
971113;1420828332;ben_vulpes;;;ticker --btce
971114;1420828333;gribble;(ticker [--bid|--ask|--last|--high|--low|--avg|--vol] [--currency XXX] [--market <market>|all]) -- Return pretty-printed ticker. Default market is Bitstamp. If one of the result options is given, returns only that numeric result (useful for nesting in calculations). If '--currency XXX' option is given, returns ticker for that three-letter currency code. It is up to you to make sure the (1 more message)
971115;1420828337;ben_vulpes;;;ticker --market btce
971116;1420828338;gribble;BTC-E BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 284.749, Best ask: 284.75, Bid-ask spread: 0.00100, Last trade: 284.749, 24 hour volume: 6868.74826, 24 hour low: 277.10599, 24 hour high: 289.0, 24 hour vwap: 283.052995
971117;1420829013;thestringpuller;ben_vulpes: docker runs on rasbpi
971118;1420829485;thestringpuller;welcome chairman popescu
971119;1420829604;mircea_popescu;ohai
971120;1420829625;davout;ello
971121;1420829663;mircea_popescu;so what is all this leap second y2k v2.0 stuff lol
971122;1420829939;kakobrekla;karpeles saves the day https://np.reddit.com/r/BitcoinMarkets/comments/2rphsb/daily_discussion_thursday_january_08_2015/cnjk2j7?context=3
971123;1420829942;assbot;MagicalTux comments on [Daily Discussion] Thursday, January 08, 2015 ... ( http://bit.ly/1w5WJvN )
971124;1420830016;mircea_popescu;lmao tux still exists ?
971125;1420830029;mircea_popescu;i hope hje's partenering with kenna to start a moon printing program
971126;1420830035;kakobrekla;as the new bitstamp advisor?
971127;1420830037;mircea_popescu;where they print 3d natural satellites.
971128;1420830045;mircea_popescu;ahahahaha you're pulling my leg
971129;1420830049;mircea_popescu;you are! you must be!
971130;1420830339;mircea_popescu;RagnarDanneskjol no, it is not going in the right direction.
971131;1420830360;mircea_popescu;punkman is off the deedbot project after the horrid failure of the past month, and i've only not neg rated him yet because gribblewas off.
971132;1420830379;mircea_popescu;you're not welcome to keep pestering people in pms, and deedbot will be reimplemented for the third time.
971133;1420830383;mircea_popescu;i hope i make myself clear.
971134;1420830540;mircea_popescu;for that matter, if i find out the molokization of deedbot v2.0 actually has anything to do with your meddling, i'll negrate you too.
971135;1420830797;Apocalyptic;"molokization" // in reference to Moloch ?
971136;1420830839;mircea_popescu;no, in reference to some derp that implemented the first version and made an utter mess of it.
971137;1420830870;mircea_popescu;!s from:MolokoDesk
971138;1420830871;assbot;629 results for 'from:MolokoDesk' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=from%3AMolokoDesk
971139;1420830898;Apocalyptic;aha
971140;1420830951;mircea_popescu;speaking of which, what are you doing these days ?
971141;1420831065;Apocalyptic;in the bitcoin space not much, just keeping track
971142;1420831104;mircea_popescu;can you implement the deedbot spec ?
971143;1420831163;Apocalyptic;I don't think so, not qualified nor time for it
971144;1420831176;mircea_popescu;alrighty.
971145;1420831190;mircea_popescu;um. you wrote an alt-exchange at some point iirc ?
971146;1420831248;Apocalyptic;indeed I did
971147;1420831274;mircea_popescu;qualified enough then!
971148;1420831423;mircea_popescu;"What do you tell family when they say IM is a scam?
971149;1420831423;mircea_popescu;Main Internet Marketing Discussion
971150;1420831424;mircea_popescu;by Dorian Anthony, 4th January 2015"
971151;1420831424;mircea_popescu;lawl.
971152;1420831444;mircea_popescu;"You can't tell them anything that will change their minds. You have to show them that money can be made online by actually doing it yourself. Don't be influenced by the nay-sayers, just prove them wrong."
971153;1420831463;mircea_popescu;apparently bitcoin isn't half as revolutionary as we had thought. internet scammers had the exact same problems long prior.
971154;1420831926;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 1158 @ 0.00086497 = 1.0016 BTC [-] {5} 
971155;1420832043;ben_vulpes;<thestringpuller> ben_vulpes: docker runs on rasbpi << and?
971156;1420832062;ben_vulpes;actually thestringpuller you can use docker to compile c on whatever and ship the resulting binary to the raspi
971157;1420832068;ben_vulpes;neat trick, that
971158;1420832147;mircea_popescu;how does that work ?
971159;1420832288;ben_vulpes;i'll ask
971160;1420832435;kakobrekla;Dear Bitstamp customers,
971161;1420832435;kakobrekla;We are happy to announce that we are back open for business
971162;1420832443;kakobrekla;* Bitstamp is now running on Amazon’s world-class AWS cloud infrastructure, architected to be one of the most secure and reliable cloud computing environments available.
971163;1420832448;mircea_popescu;hey, glad i didn't bet.
971164;1420832453;mircea_popescu;o.O
971165;1420832490;mircea_popescu;well, let's verify this most secure computer environments claim.
971166;1420832548;mircea_popescu;i'm paying 2btc (once) in return for a single btc stolen from bitstamp's aws cloud after today. comes with a signed certificate.
971167;1420832741;joecool;kakobrekla: aw man you mean they didn't choose godaddy shared hosting?
971168;1420832759;kakobrekla;hehe
971169;1420832780;kakobrekla;that only allows for up to 2gb of css.
971170;1420833019;mircea_popescu;http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/f/fb/John_H_Harvey_Edward_L_Vail_Walter_L_Vail_Empire_Ranch_Arizona_1879.jpg << americans. a century ago.
971171;1420833021;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1FAwWq1 )
971172;1420833070;kakobrekla;hence the land of opportunity.
971173;1420833165;mod6;americans today: http://i.ytimg.com/vi/fzVnpapHaX4/maxresdefault.jpg
971174;1420833166;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1FAxmg8 )
971175;1420833173;mircea_popescu;i tell you, i look at those guys, i kinda wanna be friends.
971176;1420833218;mod6;werd
971177;1420833287;mircea_popescu;anyway, "In its heyday, Empire Ranch was one of the largest in Arizona, with a range spanning over 180 miles, and its owner, Walter L. Vail, was an important figure in the establishment of southern Arizona's cattle industry."
971178;1420833312;mircea_popescu;probably the source of all the cowboy and indian stories. and, notably, the first ranch where the queen bee woman actually settled down on the premises.
971179;1420833349;mircea_popescu;it's very interesting to me from an anthropological pov, because you see, at the time everything was "empire", from film studios to pond shops.
971180;1420833361;mircea_popescu;this one, however... this one succeeded.
971181;1420833511;mod6;if Vail, AZ (the city/surrounding area) is named after him, I used to live right by there.
971182;1420833520;mod6;the ranch certainly looks close.
971183;1420833553;mircea_popescu;likely.
971184;1420833580;mod6;Yeah, the modern city/area of Vail is just north of where the historical ranch is located.
971185;1420833613;mod6;Beautiful land out there.  At least, to me anyway.
971186;1420833634;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 7285 @ 0.00085799 = 6.2505 BTC [-] {3} 
971187;1420833687;mircea_popescu;not really my cup, but then again we can't all gaggle in the same spots.
971188;1420833740;mod6;:]
971189;1420833743;mircea_popescu;incidentally, this is a point often skirted by the "paradise on earth" folk, be they "bitcoin country" or anything-else-country (loads of these historically) : not everyone likes thesame!
971190;1420833762;mircea_popescu;i know chicks that principally like the sea/desert. i like forrested hills. you're apparently some sort of scrub bush apache stock.
971191;1420833773;mircea_popescu;how the fuck can all this be accomodated in whatever Xtown.
971192;1420833777;mod6;haha. i love the desert.
971193;1420833795;mod6;part of it is, there arn't many people there.
971194;1420833816;thestringpuller;mod6 only likes the desert cause he lives in tundra for 9 months out of the year.
971195;1420833825;mircea_popescu;lol
971196;1420833836;mircea_popescu;"finally, my toes no longer iced"
971197;1420833837;mod6;haha, perhaps. im sure ive had frostbite like 69 times
971198;1420833845;mod6;yeah!
971199;1420833884;mod6;when your digits start to thaw, they feel like someone hit them with a sledge hammer.  not a ton of fun I tell you.
971200;1420833942;mod6;i do kinda wish i could grow a mustasche like those guys in the picture though.
971201;1420833974;mod6;:/
971202;1420833985;mod6;or :{
971203;1420833989;mircea_popescu;lol
971204;1420833992;mod6;haha
971205;1420834117;thestringpuller;so my buddy works for maxis
971206;1420834119;thestringpuller;great guy
971207;1420834129;thestringpuller;he was telling me that in the SimCity reboot
971208;1420834158;thestringpuller;the music is all programmed in layers so that depending on what the user is doing the music triggers, but it's all timed to a single metronome: the heart beat of the city
971209;1420834187;mircea_popescu;this is a good idea.
971210;1420835542;kakobrekla;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=09-01-2015#971166 < you may wanna extend this to coinbase
971211;1420835542;assbot;Logged on 09-01-2015 19:42:28; mircea_popescu: i'm paying 2btc (once) in return for a single btc stolen from bitstamp's aws cloud after today. comes with a signed certificate.
971212;1420835594;mircea_popescu;why, got a bitcoin ?
971213;1420835604;BingoBoingo;scoopbot -fetch
971214;1420835614;scoopbot;New post on Qntra.net by Bingo Boingo: http://qntra.net/2015/01/bitstamp-resumes-operations/
971215;1420835626;kakobrekla;wai? cause using aws.
971216;1420835805;mircea_popescu;it's not clear they actually have any bitcoin tho.
971217;1420836583;BingoBoingo;<mircea_popescu> i know chicks that principally like the sea/desert. i like forrested hills. you're apparently some sort of scrub bush apache stock. << I imagine mircea_popescu taking the girls out to catch their own mink and fox
971218;1420836631;mircea_popescu;lol.
971219;1420836635;mircea_popescu;�Eventually, law enforcement knew and anticipated needing to enter the residence, in order to take the subject into custody. Based upon the information being developed through interviews and practices used by other agencies in the past, it became necessary to breech part of the outside area of the house to ensure the safety of all involved.�
971220;1420836637;mircea_popescu;check this shit out!
971221;1420836640;mircea_popescu;http://thefreethoughtproject.com/swat-team-demolishes-home-arrest-man-dui-family-left-homeless/#M5HCmsFbcYRt3mvE.99
971222;1420836641;assbot;SWAT Team Demolishes Home To Arrest Man For DUI, Family Left Homeless | The Free Thought Project ... ( http://bit.ly/1tRFM8f )
971223;1420836684;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19500 @ 0.00064548 = 12.5869 BTC [-]
971224;1420836685;mircea_popescu;i wonder if there should be some sort of tracked or maybe flexible wing roof remover ? like a huge can opener.
971225;1420836694;mircea_popescu;come in, deroof the house, remove suspect.
971226;1420836870;BingoBoingo;We have naturally occuring deroofers that roam the countryside in favorable weather... Tornados
971227;1420836899;mircea_popescu;can't leave that to nature.
971228;1420836918;BingoBoingo;Well gotta do that design inspired by nature thing
971229;1420836969;BingoBoingo;Most common size the things come in is fuck up a few trees and remove approximately one roof
971230;1420837501;ben_vulpes;kakobrekla: they migrated off of heroku?
971231;1420837567;kakobrekla;yes - they burned all the free resources.
971232;1420837585;ben_vulpes;looool
971233;1420837632;mircea_popescu;gotta be in the bezzle to be in teh bezzle eh ?
971234;1420837672;ben_vulpes;mircea_popescu: still setting modes by hand?
971235;1420837676;mircea_popescu;btw, isn't salesforce now using ubuntu ?
971236;1420837692;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes well, assbot wot not ready just yet.
971237;1420837716;ben_vulpes;!up works tho
971238;1420837723;ben_vulpes;!up Pierre_Rochard
971239;1420837767;*;mircea_popescu shrugs.
971240;1420837928;thestringpuller;Pierre_Rochard: you afoot?
971241;1420837952;Pierre_Rochard;thestringpuller: sure am
971242;1420837958;thestringpuller;assbot: wot should have better API for us to dock our interfaces into
971243;1420838097;jurov;i suspect bitstamp is in shortage of people who can quickly and reliably set up iron. hence aws
971244;1420838114;mircea_popescu;i thought they moved to bay area.
971245;1420838121;thestringpuller;"moved"
971246;1420838175;ben_vulpes;thestringpuller: i'd love to see api endpoints for all of the things too
971247;1420838473;jurov;grrr i so hate spotting typos. and it's in first sentence. ( BingoBoingo see qntra comment )
971248;1420838508;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes what more than "here's the db" which nano already does ?
971249;1420838529;mircea_popescu;prolly help if it were signed / dated, but that's not such a big deal.
971250;1420838533;mircea_popescu;to implement i mean.
971251;1420838838;BingoBoingo;jurov: Fixed, clarified
971252;1420838849;decimation;http://www.pnas.org/content/early/2015/01/02/1418761112 << lol usg 'research': "The number of principal investi- gators for R01s who are 36 y of age or youn- ger has declined from 18% in 1983 to 3% in 2010. Today, more than twice as many R01s are awarded to principal investigators who are over 65 y as are under 36 y, a reversal from only 15 y ago."
971253;1420838852;assbot;A generation at risk: Young investigators and the future of the biomedical workforce  ... ( http://bit.ly/1Ay3Q50 )
971254;1420838876;decimation;"R01s" are "leading NIH research grants"
971255;1420838996;mircea_popescu;heh.
971256;1420839007;mircea_popescu;gerontocracy is necessarily a failure mode of soviet states
971257;1420839020;mircea_popescu;generally because the living standards decay is obvious to the younger men.
971258;1420839135;decimation;plus the aged have control over the levers of power, sufficient to 'raise the bar' to attempt to extract increasingly more effort from the young
971259;1420839151;mircea_popescu;jurov brings a very interesting question re supporting eulora. we could in principle drop 32 bit support. now, if this were a crypto thing or any such high assurance system i'd never consider it. but it's a game.
971260;1420839152;decimation;until they have their final birthday party
971261;1420839161;mircea_popescu;what's teh republican senate think on the topic ?
971262;1420839193;mircea_popescu;decimation perhaps. it only works if young women buy into ti tho.
971263;1420839223;decimation;I think there's a soft-money aspect here too
971264;1420839249;decimation;generally the soft-money treadmill is such that only those who have run the race for awhile actually have any assets
971265;1420839287;decimation;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=09-01-2015#970674 << actually spinoza produced fine polished lenses
971266;1420839287;assbot;Logged on 09-01-2015 00:39:45; pete_dushenski: and it might be a bit loose to call spinoza an inventor given that he only crafted words
971267;1420839307;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26750 @ 0.00065513 = 17.5247 BTC [+] {2} 
971268;1420839315;mircea_popescu;decimation define assets.
971269;1420839339;decimation;fiat, fiat business stock, fiat bonds, promises from usg to pay
971270;1420839351;mircea_popescu;...
971271;1420839379;mircea_popescu;i dunno. you can get plenty of such assets by simply catching aids.
971272;1420839432;decimation;the republican senate 'in principle' opposes the taxes and spending required to give free medical care to old people, but in reality fully supports showering its vote bank with trinkets
971273;1420839515;mircea_popescu;decimation i meant on teh 32 bit support issue :)
971274;1420839610;decimation;heh in that case, the us senate supports whatever wintel tells them to, which is gonna be 64-bit
971275;1420839633;mircea_popescu;this one lol.
971276;1420839635;mircea_popescu;not that one.
971277;1420839668;jurov;"Rep. X caught playing Eulora insession"
971278;1420839678;decimation;that would be great publicity!
971279;1420839693;mircea_popescu;"In 1980, the average Politburo member was 70 years old, as opposed to 55 in 1952 and 61 in 1964." << in this view the soviets fell because they couldn't find enough 85 yos for the 90s
971280;1420839707;decimation;actually if you go to visit Congress in person (not recommended), you discover that they are never 'in session'
971281;1420839715;mircea_popescu;(not entirely an inaccurate view, for that matter)
971282;1420839731;decimation;99% of the time the room is completely empty except for the speaker, a few derps on the podium, and a clerk or two
971283;1420839742;decimation;everyone else in Congress has 'better things to do'
971284;1420839759;mircea_popescu;well yes.
971285;1420839762;jurov;not even when queen speaks?
971286;1420839766;jurov;oh mn
971287;1420839768;jurov;nm
971288;1420839770;mircea_popescu;queen speaks in his own office.
971289;1420839783;mircea_popescu;it's a very dysfunctional marriage, columbia.
971290;1420839798;decimation;mostly, except for the annual 'state of the union', in which case it is very important to be seen 'in session' for the cameras
971291;1420839837;mircea_popescu;but yes, decimation has a good point. nothing brings the abandonment of that republic clearer in view than going through its halls while on business.
971292;1420839842;mircea_popescu;looks like Truant High.
971293;1420839867;assbot;Last 8 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/0TK3CD9.txt )
971294;1420839867;BingoBoingo;!b 8
971295;1420839879;decimation;yeah, the 'actual work' of pretending to help voters, drafting bills, etc is generally performed by 18-25 year old women
971296;1420839908;mircea_popescu;only a minority of which with visible cum stains on dress/hair
971297;1420839924;decimation;all of whom come for the promise of 'gaining access' to 'power', the appearance of which is doled out carefully in DC
971298;1420839931;BingoBoingo;;;ticker --market all
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971300;1420839991;decimation;up until a few years ago, it was permissible for anyone to walk into the Capitol and walk wherever they pleased
971301;1420840019;decimation;suddenly 'because security' - tourist are now restricted to little groups led by a poor student
971302;1420840024;mircea_popescu;this is perennially the case with free republics.
971303;1420840043;mircea_popescu;why shouldn't you be able to go anywhere.
971304;1420840088;decimation;well, the ostenisble reason is 'security', but the actual reason is that it is one more 'perk' that can be given as a favor by someone who appears to have power
971305;1420840102;thestringpuller;real shit
971306;1420840584;mircea_popescu;yeah, perianne boring is a product of a process, rather than a person.
971307;1420840637;mircea_popescu;obviously that process only works in a narrow conventional field, to the degree it might as well be a literary device. but literary characters are not necessarily aware of their conventional nature.
971308;1420840652;mircea_popescu;something like "tom sawyer pinched himself and saw that he was flesh and blood like any man".
971309;1420840773;decimation;washington DC is famous for being 'inbred' in the sense that its 'experts' are all home-grown
971310;1420840823;mircea_popescu;must suck for the kids in question.
971311;1420840873;decimation;well, if they play their cards right they can scam fiat from outsiders hoping to 'change the process'
971312;1420841019;BingoBoingo;!up badon
971313;1420841021;BingoBoingo;!up pete_dushenski
971314;1420841034;pete_dushenski;cheers
971315;1420841043;mircea_popescu;not at all what i mean. consider the difference between say, a carpertner apprentice and a cowboy apprentice, both 15 in 1915.
971316;1420841052;mircea_popescu;"Mother do you think they'll drop the bomb ? Mother do you think they'll like the song ? Mother do you think they'll try to break my balls ?"
971317;1420841061;pete_dushenski;a g'day gribbs
971318;1420841076;mircea_popescu;legitimate questions, all fo them. and they always get the same answer, of course. but irrespective of how well the cowboy manages to re-adjust
971319;1420841084;mircea_popescu;fact remains : yes, they will, and no they won't.
971320;1420841094;mircea_popescu;he's moving on a dead track.
971321;1420841112;davout;good evening
971322;1420841128;thestringpuller;bonjour davout
971323;1420841145;thestringpuller;ou c'est bon huit ?
971324;1420841148;mircea_popescu;davout how goes the islamist revolution btw ?
971325;1420841180;davout;wish i had an ak-47
971326;1420841227;mircea_popescu;not that expensive is it ?
971327;1420841251;davout;i have never looked this up actually
971328;1420841342;davout;what's gun law like in argentina? can you just go and get one?
971329;1420841348;mircea_popescu;should be about 1k
971330;1420841352;davout;i mean legally
971331;1420841360;mircea_popescu;legally i never inquired.
971332;1420841384;mircea_popescu;if you want a gun legally, you should instead buy a cop.
971333;1420841410;davout;that's pretty pragmatic
971334;1420841422;assbot;Last 3 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/07704P7.txt )
971335;1420841422;BingoBoingo;!b 3
971336;1420841505;BingoBoingo;!up PeterL
971337;1420841587;mircea_popescu;davout anyway, epic fucking police state you got there. so, some people driving through the armpit of paris run into three police patrols. because wtf, 30% of all paris works as cops or something ?
971338;1420841603;mircea_popescu;NONE of which manage to do anything but get shot. why even call them police then ? what are they for, hussling people, right ?
971339;1420841626;mircea_popescu;they don't stop crime, they just bother the 0.x% remaining parisians who actually have a job that's not enacted by hollande's fiat
971340;1420841636;pete_dushenski;sounds like nyc
971341;1420841704;mircea_popescu;what was it, 19th arrondisment ? that's like... barracas, basically.
971342;1420841727;mircea_popescu;bottom 10th land values sort of affair
971343;1420841748;mircea_popescu;how the fuck do you run into three police cars doing three miles in the utter periphery ?
971344;1420841829;BingoBoingo;https://twitter.com/CraigSJ/status/553215441783783425
971345;1420841831;assbot;We live in a world where someone is paid money to Photoshop pubic hair into pictures of Justin Bieber. http://t.co/evzUvXBc23
971346;1420841835;davout;what shooting are you referring to precisely?
971347;1420841874;mircea_popescu;lemme dig up what i read. la liberte mebbe
971348;1420841876;mircea_popescu;sec
971349;1420841910;davout;police is annoying yes, they did save my ass once tho
971350;1420841940;mircea_popescu;En quittant les locaux, les assaillants tombent sur un v�hicule de police en ressortant dans la rue. Ils ouvrent � nouveau le feu avant de remonter � bord de leur Citro�n. Une course-poursuite s'engage. Ils empruntent l�all�e verte, une rue perpendiculaire � celle du si�ge de Charlie Hebdo. Croisent une autre patrouille de policiers, en VTT. Nouveaux tirs, sans victime. Arriv� sur le boulevard Richard-Lenoir,
971351;1420841940;mircea_popescu;nouvelle fusillade: un policier, �g� d�une trentaine d�ann�es et rattach� au commissariat du XIe arrondissement, est touch� puis froidement abattu au sol.
971352;1420841961;mircea_popescu;so. ran into a random patrol. shot at them. moved on, ran into another. shot at them too. ran into random cop. shot him too.
971353;1420841976;davout;well, the third one isn't that close
971354;1420841994;davout;but yeah, there are quite a few cops in paris
971355;1420842018;mircea_popescu;but that's exactly my problem here. there are A LOT of derps masquerading as cops. neither of these is good.
971356;1420842021;davout;the ones on their bicycle are the most problematic ones, they sneak upon you
971357;1420842040;mircea_popescu;on one hand, because a lot means they're expensive, and taken from more useful stuff. on the other, because if the cop can't hold his own then why even have him.
971358;1420842103;mircea_popescu;this isn't a "and they run into a cop while he had his back turned and shot him dead". this is "french police reliably can not hold its own against determined assailants". well...
971359;1420842116;mircea_popescu;is the paris police force in danger of rape ? what's next ?
971360;1420842129;mircea_popescu;should they carry mace and avoid walking alone at night to the car ?
971361;1420842138;mircea_popescu;should they call home and have an adult male take them in hand ?
971362;1420842159;mircea_popescu;are they dressed modestly enough ?
971363;1420842228;davout;i guess we should simply send our cops to syria for training instead of our youth
971364;1420842275;mircea_popescu;i'd rather have 10 cops that have a ld50 dose of 3 shooting assailants than 10k cops that basically constitute ballistic sacks.
971365;1420842334;davout;choose which ones you buy carefully, problem solved
971366;1420842366;mircea_popescu;yeah, except in a society that does this everyone's doing something else stupid to compensate willy-nilly.
971367;1420842611;BingoBoingo;http://i.kinja-img.com/gawker-media/image/upload/s--6EBvY5gT--/c_fit,fl_progressive,q_80,w_636/j0jq63xywdxvuhvlnrvg.jpg
971368;1420842612;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1KtJfEJ )
971369;1420842704;mircea_popescu;lol
971370;1420842755;BingoBoingo;That was the ambassador's actual christmas card two years ago
971371;1420842769;BingoBoingo;;;ticker --market all
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971373;1420842917;mircea_popescu;is that kinda gay ?
971374;1420842937;asciilifeform;yeah, the 'actual work' of pretending to help voters, drafting bills, etc is generally performed by 18-25 year old women << zoologically interesting phenomenon. visit wash. d.c, they're everywhere - restaurants (incl. costly ones), $xx mil houses, 7 to a room...
971375;1420842980;mircea_popescu;right.
971376;1420842987;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: Well here was the next year's card http://i.kinja-img.com/gawker-media/image/upload/s--MMrkZZ8c--/c_fit,fl_progressive,q_80,w_636/vxvototrhpzistnpens3.jpg
971377;1420842988;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/14BGD6K )
971378;1420843006;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: And then this year's http://i.kinja-img.com/gawker-media/image/upload/s--scXm37N1--/c_fit,fl_progressive,q_80,w_636/sxfqpmm6ionp6fndxgv8.jpg
971379;1420843007;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/14BGK24 )
971380;1420843016;mircea_popescu;my intuitition!
971381;1420843059;BingoBoingo;My bet is he wanted that ambassadorship for the swedish twinks
971382;1420843060;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: ak-47... argentina... should be about 1k << wai wat. sure not off by a zero ?
971383;1420843100;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform HE wanted one, not me. he's in paris.
971384;1420843141;mircea_popescu;i can scarcely imagine what i would want an old assault rifle for.
971385;1420843167;asciilifeform;iirc one can buy rifles in fr
971386;1420843186;mircea_popescu;i've really not kept up with it. maybe not, they're commies.
971387;1420843206;mircea_popescu;im sure one can buy an ak if one asks for it in romanian tho :D
971388;1420843226;asciilifeform;even here in usa many (most?) of such rifles offered for sale are originally made in ro
971389;1420843266;mircea_popescu;im sure.
971390;1420843276;asciilifeform;according to one source, it is because a large quantity of semi-automatic ak was once produced in that country (for a civil militia project of some kind, iirc)
971391;1420843276;mircea_popescu;cugir "sewing mahcine" factory turned out millions of em.
971392;1420843300;mircea_popescu;yeah, the civil militia project of selling as many as possible, once the jews ran out.
971393;1420843302;mircea_popescu;in the 80s
971394;1420843373;asciilifeform;a very peculiar kind of 'mechanical crippleware', this 'street legal ak'
971395;1420843400;mircea_popescu;aha ?
971396;1420843418;BingoBoingo;!up Pierre_Rochard
971397;1420843435;asciilifeform;two (?) missing small parts, slightly different bolt, according to schematics
971398;1420843554;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo perhaps can comment
971399;1420843605;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: Havent' looked much at how AK crippleware is done. AR becomes cripple ware because metal that should be missing is not
971400;1420843663;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: http://wilsoncombat.com/new/images/BCG-diff.jpg ?
971401;1420843664;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/14BJm04 )
971402;1420843667;asciilifeform;(ar)
971403;1420843688;asciilifeform;(is 'ar' simply alias for the well-known 'm16' ?)
971404;1420843731;BingoBoingo;Well m16 is subtype of AR and I was thinking the "lower reciever" which is legally the gun and not the bolt
971405;1420843734;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: the molokization of deedbot v2.0  << wai wat? sabotage ?
971406;1420843811;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: On the bolt you can also notice difference aside from the one where the arrow points
971407;1420843821;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 88400 @ 0.00065579 = 57.9718 BTC [+] {2} 
971408;1420843862;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: as a reverse engineer, i find examples of 'crippleware designed to be annoying to fix' conceptually interesting wherever i find it
971409;1420843932;asciilifeform;at least i assume the rifle was designed to be somewhat annoying to uncripple, considering, iirc, that this was required in usa
971410;1420843960;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: Maybe it's just the way those pictures were taken but rotational differences in some of the bolt's cuts appear.
971411;1420844159;*;asciilifeform genuinely wonderf wtf happened to deedbot 2
971412;1420844227;asciilifeform;what, precisely, are the plausible worlds here. i can really think of just one - it lost db, and author pulled it down ?
971413;1420844386;BingoBoingo;I imagine molokization refers to socially engineered time sink where thing works, obstacle, thing goes off the rails
971414;1420844414;asciilifeform;yes but what obstacle.
971415;1420844484;BingoBoingo;Nebulous, but a time sink. One that delays implementation of thing that by all means seemed to work as advertised up until obstacle.
971416;1420844678;PeterL;From Trilema "Jobs Board" post: "You are expected to negotiate your own pay." << This is where I demand 1200 USD/mo for upkeeping scoopbot, right?
971417;1420844965;mircea_popescu;PeterL lol first and last sentences :D
971418;1420845276;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform i have no idea. the last attempt to resuscitate v2.0 died on the 5th ( http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=05-01-2015#965645 ) and that's that.
971419;1420845276;assbot;Logged on 05-01-2015 04:43:52; mircea_popescu: punkman this really has been very poorly communicated.
971420;1420845949;asciilifeform;!s software does not fail
971421;1420845950;assbot;3 results for 'software does not fail' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=software+does+not+fail
971422;1420846003;RagnarDanneskjol;my understanding is the first bot went down b/c my friend disi found a server vulnerability which I promptly brought to your attention (I originally recommended you NOT have moloko do admin / continued development b/c I knew he was not suited for it).  I followed the recent convo here and lead me to understand the only issue with punkbot was the vps got flooded and shut down...that's punkman's understandi
971423;1420846003;RagnarDanneskjol;ng too I believe.
971424;1420846008;PeterL;mircea_popescu: "I do not now nor will I ever care about the "readability" or "elegance" of codebases worth 5 bux." << These are things that the programmer should care about, because he will have to maintain the thing in the future.
971425;1420846022;RagnarDanneskjol;re molokization of deedbot v2.0 - no idea what you're talkin about? has nothing to do with me.  also don't recall pestering anyone here ever..once in a blue moon I will ask questions in pm if I'm not authed/voiced.
971426;1420846023;mircea_popescu;certainly.
971427;1420846043;mircea_popescu;make sure you read it as intended tho
971428;1420846055;mircea_popescu;"I do not now nor will I ever care about the "readability" or "elegance" of (codebases worth 5 bux)."
971429;1420846077;PeterL;goes along with point 2: things not stated are up to programmer
971430;1420846095;asciilifeform;what, however, determines what codebase is worth ?
971431;1420846121;asciilifeform;the worth of what dies if the proggy fails catastrophically?
971432;1420846137;mircea_popescu;that is up to management.
971433;1420846145;PeterL;or are you saying you care about readability of good (expensive) software?
971434;1420846155;mircea_popescu;PeterL of important software.
971435;1420846175;BingoBoingo;https://twitter.com/BryanMicon/status/553686038950842368 << Turns out Micon apparently has a price
971436;1420846177;assbot;So /Bitstamp is back. Looks like there's a familiar BTC price premium there as people dump their fiat.
971437;1420846186;mircea_popescu;there's nothing wrong with peripheral hairs, is what i'm saying. the idea is to not have hair in the core, on the liver, inside the lungs.
971438;1420846201;mircea_popescu;having the skin covered in hair seems evolutionarily beneficial.
971439;1420846352;BingoBoingo;;;ticker --market all
971440;1420846360;gribble;Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 294.15, vol: 9199.33621954 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 286.95, vol: 9046.86098 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 290.5, vol: 28950.3525495 | CampBX BTCUSD last: 289.51, vol: 37.06275778 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 283.815168, vol: 106121.94360000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 294.02, vol: 3.84070522 | Bitcoin-Central BTCUSD last: 293.11425, vol: 68.39470571 | Volume-weighted last average: (1 more message)
971441;1420846385;mircea_popescu;heh the web exchanges trending up ?
971442;1420846446;PeterL;for some value of "up" and some value of "trending"
971443;1420846459;BingoBoingo;Well, more level. Stamp has a premium though
971444;1420846510;BingoBoingo;!up copumpkin
971445;1420846584;copumpkin;hi :)
971446;1420846595;mircea_popescu;how goes.
971447;1420846614;copumpkin;well, sitting in a train station
971448;1420846619;copumpkin;what's new?
971449;1420846622;PeterL;One thing I like about qntra is that, unlike lots of other news site, there are no auto-playing videos on EVERY SINGLE ARTICLE. bleh, stupid media sites
971450;1420846682;assbot;Last 1 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/0T1ABJC.txt )
971451;1420846682;BingoBoingo;!b 1
971452;1420846706;PeterL;heh, I think that is my first bashed line :)
971453;1420846749;BingoBoingo;O.o
971454;1420846778;mircea_popescu;qntra can't afford flash.
971455;1420846800;BingoBoingo;No, Flash can't afford qntra.
971456;1420846827;mircea_popescu;also.
971457;1420846927;PeterL;flash sucks, I seem to remember reading they are no longer supporting Linux platforms for thier new updates?
971458;1420847413;*;adlai imagines it's mutual
971459;1420847603;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 42800 @ 0.00065153 = 27.8855 BTC [-]
971460;1420847664;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 36443 @ 0.00064428 = 23.4795 BTC [-] {2} 
971461;1420848326;mircea_popescu;it prolly is mutual at that.
971462;1420848945;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3150 @ 0.00065754 = 2.0713 BTC [+]
971463;1420849068;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12034 @ 0.00065754 = 7.9128 BTC [+]
971464;1420849128;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2599 @ 0.00066027 = 1.716 BTC [+]
971465;1420849353;BingoBoingo;scoopbot -fetch
971466;1420849378;scoopbot;New post on Qntra.net by Bingo Boingo: http://qntra.net/2015/01/bitpay-lays-off-9-employees-today/
971467;1420849433;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15334 @ 0.00066036 = 10.126 BTC [+] {2} 
971468;1420849544;PeterL;you know, you could pm him -fetch
971469;1420849552;BingoBoingo;Really?
971470;1420849558;PeterL;yeah
971471;1420849576;mircea_popescu;i recall reading that yeah
971472;1420849600;BingoBoingo;Cool
971473;1420849610;PeterL;if you pm him, you don't need to include scoopbot, just -fetch
971474;1420849696;BingoBoingo;https://i.imgur.com/rleY22W.png
971475;1420849698;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1yMswc1 )
971476;1420849722;kakobrekla;!s fetch from:kakobrekla
971477;1420849723;assbot;8 results for 'fetch from:kakobrekla' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=fetch+from%3Akakobrekla
971478;1420849733;kakobrekla;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=05-01-2015#966068
971479;1420849733;assbot;Logged on 05-01-2015 17:57:08; kakobrekla: i dont get this scoopbot 30 min delay + fetch command. when i setup rss feed for herr vulpes jenkins (which is now offline for some reason) i hit it once a minute cause i give no fucks. no need for this -fetch nonsense if you change the interval to something saner.
971480;1420849744;kakobrekla;and few lines more.
971481;1420849799;cazalla;i don't know if anyone saw that ipad game that pays out 0.0001.. i fucked around with it for an hour or so and earned 0.0003, i'm sure some indian is setting up a sweatshop to farm it 24/7 as we speak
971482;1420849820;BingoBoingo;lol
971483;1420849834;asciilifeform;cazalla: this kind of thing has been done in the past; e.g., amazon corp's 'mechanical turk'
971484;1420849870;PeterL;what do you do in this game to earn it?
971485;1420849913;cazalla;asciilifeform, but this app pays out the moment it awards you, i'm trying to think of a homer simpson drinking bird means of doing it but no go
971486;1420849949;asciilifeform;cazalla: instrumented emulator.
971487;1420849998;cazalla;PeterL, you throw a monkey as far as you can plus the dev alleges he will use the in-game adsense type revenue to purchase more bitcoin  and increase the bitcoin payouts for users https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b1bxTbByVkQ
971488;1420850000;assbot;SaruTobi - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1yMtDIN )
971489;1420850051;davout;PeterL: could you add http://fr.anco.is to scoopbot?
971490;1420850053;assbot;fr.anco.is | bitcoin et al. ... ( http://bit.ly/1yMtMvO )
971491;1420850069;cazalla;you wouldn't bother playing it for the payouts but i'm sure someone for who $2 a day is a lot would find it worthwhile
971492;1420850266;PeterL;davout sure
971493;1420850288;davout;ty!
971494;1420850645;mircea_popescu;cazalla $2 a day can't be a lot if you're stuck with a $500 piece of machinery + the bills for its maintenance.
971495;1420850668;asciilifeform;unless the $500 machine emulates 100,000 click-idiots
971496;1420850675;cazalla;steal one from whitey
971497;1420850683;assbot;Last 3 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/02KJQCR.txt )
971498;1420850683;BingoBoingo;!b 3
971499;1420850758;PeterL;davout: let me know if your posts don't show up
971500;1420850850;kakobrekla;actually i can just make assbot pm scoopbot 'fetch' every 30 seconds and noone will ever know i fixed it.
971501;1420850862;mircea_popescu;lmao
971502;1420850881;mircea_popescu;PeterL how often does it scan feeds anyway ?
971503;1420850899;mircea_popescu;can it be set so it scans every minute, on a diff second by the blog list ?
971504;1420850908;PeterL;kakobrekla: scoopbot is set to check blogs every 5 minutes, some people are impatient
971505;1420850929;mircea_popescu;kakobrekla is 5 minutes too slo ?!
971506;1420850941;mircea_popescu;i thought it was like a half hour
971507;1420851024;kakobrekla;i just find the whole fetch command thing silly.
971508;1420851048;PeterL;I think it might have been 15 minutes when I first made it?
971509;1420851057;kakobrekla;possibru
971510;1420851069;PeterL;well, cazalla asked for it, and it seemed easy enough to include
971511;1420851077;kakobrekla;5 is better i guess idk rss sucks scam
971512;1420851109;mircea_popescu;kakobrekla srsly polling much more frequently than that's just a waste.
971513;1420851136;kakobrekla;yes there is only 20 years of internets left to go around
971514;1420851142;kakobrekla;use it slowly.
971515;1420851358;mircea_popescu;eh the world will live for five minutes at a stretch.
971516;1420851380;scoopbot;New post on Qntra.net by thestringpuller: http://qntra.net/2015/01/the-hard-fork-missile-crisis/
971517;1420851434;mircea_popescu;PeterL i even excluded your parser from teh branding programme
971518;1420851453;PeterL;branding program?
971519;1420851503;BingoBoingo;Branding Pogrom?
971520;1420851563;mircea_popescu;if you look at the feeds they start with a token which describes the parser for my use
971521;1420851576;mircea_popescu;i used it extensively in the 2010-2011 period to identify and ban content spinners
971522;1420851583;mircea_popescu;haven't had a problem since.
971523;1420851628;PeterL;Is that what that garbledy gook is at the start of the feed summary is?
971524;1420851632;mircea_popescu;yeah
971525;1420851645;PeterL;EG "NjkuMTYyLjY0Ljgy What's anon talking about ?"
971526;1420851663;mircea_popescu;yes
971527;1420851695;PeterL;so that tell you what parser accessed your site?
971528;1420851764;mircea_popescu;yes.
971529;1420851799;mircea_popescu;then if i see my stuff republished on mfa farms/whatever later on, it's trivial to ban the leech.
971530;1420851831;PeterL;aha, I see. please don't ban me
971531;1420852072;mircea_popescu;no the reverse.
971532;1420852078;mircea_popescu;it shouldn't pop in your feeds no more.
971533;1420852096;asciilifeform;http://www-library.desy.de/preparch/books/death-rays.pdf << no, not really plaintextable. but interesting.
971534;1420852097;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1I4ICzd )
971535;1420852161;PeterL;"NDkxNDIwODUyMDg4fDY5LjE2Mi42NC44Mg== What's anon talking about" I think it got longer?
971536;1420852164;asciilifeform;(the first work i've chanced into on this subject, in many years, that isn't a regurgitation of old, tired pablum)
971537;1420852220;mircea_popescu;uhm.
971538;1420852234;asciilifeform;it's actually about embezzlement
971539;1420852240;asciilifeform;of reichsmarks, naturally
971540;1420852248;asciilifeform;'for science!'
971541;1420852263;mircea_popescu;PeterL you actually using multiple ips ?!
971542;1420852280;asciilifeform;decimation, ben_vulpes, undata ^ recommended reading
971543;1420852286;PeterL;well, there are two, one for the scoopbot and one for the blog agregator
971544;1420852316;mircea_popescu;well they got whitelisted both.
971545;1420852399;PeterL;is that going to take some time to take effect?
971546;1420852434;mircea_popescu;as soon as varnish catches on, i guess.
971547;1420852765;punkman;asciilifeform genuinely wonderf wtf happened to deedbot 2 << lack of hosting admin, mostly
971548;1420852777;punkman;mircea_popescu: punkman is off the deedbot project after the horrid failure of the past month << I accept that
971549;1420852828;PeterL;punkman: you are saying the thing works, you just need a server to run it on?
971550;1420852868;punkman;no it needs a sysadmin for the server, plenty of servers to be had
971551;1420852913;punkman;Azelphur offered to do it couple of days ago, but too late I guess
971552;1420853137;PeterL;asciilifeform: your linked death-ray pdf, in text: http://nopdf.btcscoop.com/data/29ye5N
971553;1420853139;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1I4MLmG )
971554;1420853167;asciilifeform;PeterL: considerably less interesting without illustrations. and mangled formatting.
971555;1420853183;asciilifeform;PeterL: the 'it's still a turd, not sausage, even with relish' principle applies even here.
971556;1420853217;asciilifeform;PeterL: and we all have 'pdf2txt' or the like on our boxes. it isn't a solution.
971557;1420853372;undata;asciilifeform: thank you sir; I will
971558;1420853381;PeterL;" bullets with enormous electric charges would be accelerated in a special valve and emmited with several times the velocity of light." <<< lol
971559;1420853441;asciilifeform;PeterL: at the time, various folks (including mr. t) were experimenting with electron tubes of various descriptions. t claimed to have one 'open to the air' on one end (!)
971560;1420853445;asciilifeform;!s valvular conduit
971561;1420853445;assbot;0 results for 'valvular conduit' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=valvular+conduit
971562;1420853451;asciilifeform;;;google valvular conduit
971563;1420853451;gribble;Nikola Tesla'sValvular Conduit best video - YouTube: <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XhJtSqLz88Q>; Tesla valve - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tesla_valve>; Nikola Tesla's "Valvular Conduit" -- The Tesla Gas Turbine Patent: <http://www.tfcbooks.com/patents/1329559.htm>
971564;1420853470;asciilifeform;you can build one. it sort-of works.
971565;1420853483;asciilifeform;about 1/3 greater velocity of flow in one direction than another.
971566;1420853514;decimation;asciilifeform: "Germán Armando Plett’s knowledge was scraped together from the ‘Deutsche La Plata Zeitung’ (German La Plata Newspaper) and the nightly German radio broadcasts he was devoted to." << shortwave broadcast is dying, I guess because internet
971567;1420853541;asciilifeform;decimation: don't be so quick to bury it. there's plenty on the air - just not in english.
971568;1420853617;decimation;deutsche welle, in particular, doesn't broadcast in german anymore (to my knowledge)
971569;1420853634;decimation;I think Russia still operates their Russian foreign broadcast service
971570;1420853641;decimation;So does China
971571;1420853665;asciilifeform;sw is 'the spare internet.'
971572;1420853670;asciilifeform;best to not forget it entirely.
971573;1420853718;decimation;the problem is that the 'image' of shortwave is AM broadcast, but nothing prevents advanced digital schemes
971574;1420853759;asciilifeform;aside from atrocious 'lossiness' - but this is where highly-efficient 'graceful degradation' schemes like fountain-coding come in.
971575;1420853809;asciilifeform;(using the latter, conceivably, you might leave your receiver running for three days and in the end a light comes on; and then you can hear an hour-long broadcast.)
971576;1420853814;PeterL;how high of bandwidth could you transmit over shortwave?
971577;1420853816;decimation;well, it's not just the high noise - it's also the terrible multipath that arises due to ionospheric propagation
971578;1420853831;decimation;but multipath can also be an advantage...
971579;1420853876;decimation;PeterL: a 'standard' shortwave channel is 4 kHz in width, through which you can push maybe a few kilobits/sec depending on what kind of scheme you are using
971580;1420853974;mircea_popescu;<asciilifeform> (using the latter, conceivably, you might leave your receiver running for three days and in the end a light comes on; and then you can hear an hour-long broadcast.) << could leave it right to the rainfall collecting bucket
971581;1420853978;mircea_popescu;and listen to it while you bathe.
971582;1420854000;asciilifeform;^ aha.
971583;1420854032;asciilifeform;(pessimistically)
971584;1420854050;mircea_popescu;anyway, it may be that the entanglement experiments come to fruition, and shortwave as well as the current telco version of internet become obsolete at the same time.
971585;1420854060;mircea_popescu;instead, people having in their house the quantum equiv of gossipd
971586;1420854065;decimation;asciilifeform: herr shannon's limit ultimately governs your ability to push bits through a channel
971587;1420854080;mircea_popescu;(incidentally, that's kind of what that's designed with in mind. if we get quantum boxes, gossipd will be the killer app for it)
971588;1420854096;asciilifeform;decimation: more prosaically, details like sunspot cycle and whether you are being jammed (deliberately or otherwise)
971589;1420854113;asciilifeform;entanglement << dicy, as it mostly entails ftl
971590;1420854120;mircea_popescu;quite dicy yes
971591;1420854123;decimation;indeed, as well as fine-grained details like your latitude, time of day, solar flares, etc
971592;1420854161;mircea_popescu;but that'll happen before "quantumcomputing" of any description, so...
971593;1420854189;decimation;if anyone is interested in simulation, usg publishes a free software package to simulate shortwave paths: http://www.voacap.com/prediction.html
971594;1420854190;assbot;VOACAP Online - professional-grade high-frequency (3-30 MHz) point-to-point propagation predictions ... ( http://bit.ly/1I4R1mm )
971595;1420854196;asciilifeform;entanglement diddling makes exotica like gravimetric comms, neutrino beam (!), etc. look realistic.
971596;1420854202;decimation;(that is a web 2.0 'front end' to the prediction program
971597;1420854351;PeterL;would 3-d printing help in manufacturing on of those tesla valves?
971598;1420854433;asciilifeform;btw entanglement to transmit rng to two ends is sop
971599;1420854448;mircea_popescu;kinda what quantum noise means
971600;1420854464;asciilifeform;(transmit synchronously)
971601;1420855070;BingoBoingo;http://krebsonsecurity.com/2015/01/lizard-stresser-runs-on-hacked-home-routers/
971602;1420855072;assbot;Lizard Stresser Runs on Hacked Home Routers —  Krebs on Security ... ( http://bit.ly/1xZBt1L )
971603;1420855092;BingoBoingo;No surprises
971604;1420855250;mircea_popescu;heh. what's per pps cost ? or how do they price ?
971605;1420855299;BingoBoingo;Haven't looked.
971606;1420855353;mircea_popescu;"The botnet is not made entirely of home routers; some of the infected hosts appear to be commercial routers at universities and companies"
971607;1420855369;mircea_popescu;orly. im sure they're "commercial" in a sense other than, "moar bezzle"
971608;1420855376;asciilifeform;like most chumpnets.
971609;1420855512;mircea_popescu;"While you�re monkeying around with your router setting, consider changing the router�s default DNS servers to those maintained by OpenDNS."
971610;1420855530;mircea_popescu;it's funny how these write-ups never fail to include some call or other to "join the horde"
971611;1420855568;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: traditionally they invite you to use google's dns (8.8.8.8)
971612;1420855588;assbot;Last 3 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/0E4842G.txt )
971613;1420855588;BingoBoingo;!b 3
971614;1420855595;mircea_popescu;the agenda of computing security is moved towards increased pwnability in the exact same way and for the exact same reasons the agenda of political discussion is moved towards increasing socialism.
971615;1420855637;asciilifeform;there isn't a 'good' dns, though. the very concept is a kind of contradiction, like a pleasant jail
971616;1420855648;asciilifeform;one can picture a terrible, mexican jail
971617;1420855664;asciilifeform;and a very demented isp with malignantly spamwildcardy dns
971618;1420855668;asciilifeform;but not 'good'
971619;1420855693;mircea_popescu;but one can readily understand why a verizon for dns is worse than any alternative.
971620;1420855739;asciilifeform;i'm told that other major telcos in usa have something not unlike it.
971621;1420855907;asciilifeform;mega-lol!! :
971622;1420855910;asciilifeform;'hackforums'
971623;1420855926;asciilifeform;anyone who wants a good laugh, should visit the site
971624;1420855949;asciilifeform;these folks actually -buy- malware from one another
971625;1420855957;asciilifeform;and 'installs' (i.e. chumps)
971626;1420855987;assbot;Last 4 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/10K1DFP.txt )
971627;1420855987;BingoBoingo;!b 4
971628;1420855989;asciilifeform;often, even when source for xxxx is available, an idiot will pay (good money) to have 'a build'
971629;1420856015;mircea_popescu;why not ?
971630;1420856018;asciilifeform;spammers abound, offering 'installs' or soliciting to spam by the pound
971631;1420856053;[]bot;Bet placed: 4.72760085 BTC for Yes on "Cardano to Ship in 2015" http://bitbet.us/bet/1100/ Odds: 83(Y):17(N) by coin, 83(Y):17(N) by weight. Total bet: 5.97039888 BTC. Current weight: 99,745.
971632;1420856081;asciilifeform;sites like 'hackforum' are probably responsible for the 'man on the street' believing that there are vast oceans of money in crapware
971633;1420856114;asciilifeform;whereas many if not most of the folks involved have little intention (or ability) to pay the promised sums, or deliver, in many cases, the goods
971634;1420856164;asciilifeform;(some - do, sure; but adding up all of the 'puts' and 'asks', if you will, at face value, is still naive)
971635;1420856170;mircea_popescu;re http://bitbet.us/bet/1100/cardano-to-ship-in-2015/#b5  : after an ad-hoc consultation half hour ago, the s.nsa board authorised a 4.72760085 BTC bet on the delivery side (1% of s.nsa equity).
971636;1420856170;assbot;BitBet - Cardano to Ship in 2015 :: 4.93 B (83%) on Yes, 1.04 B (17%) on No | closing in 11 months 1 week| weight: 99`744 (100`000 to 1) ... ( http://bit.ly/1xZCXZY )
971637;1420856170;mircea_popescu;i
971638;1420856181;asciilifeform;^
971639;1420856190;mircea_popescu;i'm counting it as a marketing expense, unless we win, in which case hey, free money.
971640;1420856281;mircea_popescu;http://trilema.com/2013/the-positive-market-effects-of-the-delivery-bet/ for background
971641;1420856282;assbot;The positive market effects of the delivery bet. pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.  ... ( http://bit.ly/1xZDb3j )
971642;1420856317;asciilifeform;'Based on information provided by A.B., the Secret Service used facial recognition to identify Jack Farrel as Ryan Andrew Gustafson.�' (krebs)
971643;1420856325;decimation;lol ascii did you put your last bitcoin on 'no'?
971644;1420856328;asciilifeform;funny how this mostly slipped by
971645;1420856338;asciilifeform;decimation: lol!
971646;1420856444;mircea_popescu;who was jack farrell
971647;1420856457;asciilifeform;http://krebsonsecurity.com/2014/12/alleged-counterfeiter-willy-clock-arrested
971648;1420856459;assbot;Alleged Counterfeiter “Willy Clock” Arrested —  Krebs on Security ... ( http://bit.ly/1xZDoU5 )
971649;1420856509;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5407 @ 0.00066646 = 3.6035 BTC [+]
971650;1420856523;[]bot;Bet created: "Gold to drop under $1000 before March 2015" http://bitbet.us/bet/1101/
971651;1420856586;decimation;lol "According to the government’s complaint (PDF), the email address that Gustafson provided on his U.S. passport application was the same one he allegedly used to maintain a Facebook account under the Jack Farrel alias."
971652;1420856598;asciilifeform;http://krebsonsecurity.com/2014/07/even-script-kids-have-a-right-to-be-forgotten << another lol from krebs, re: 'hackforum'
971653;1420856601;assbot;Even Script Kids Have a Right to Be Forgotten —  Krebs on Security ... ( http://bit.ly/1xZDyLa )
971654;1420856605;BingoBoingo;A Poetteringism http://www.spinics.net/lists/fedora-devel/msg204236.html
971655;1420856606;assbot;Fedora Development -- Re: timedatex replacing systemd-timedated for NTP packages ... ( http://bit.ly/1xZDB9X )
971656;1420856714;danielpbarron;!up beautyon
971657;1420856759;beautyon;So it's war then.
971658;1420856773;BingoBoingo;Yeah
971659;1420856826;BingoBoingo;This war was foretold long ago http://trilema.com/2012/the-tundra-artichoke-from-frozen-hell/
971660;1420856827;assbot;The tundra artichoke from frozen hell. pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.  ... ( http://bit.ly/1xZDScW )
971661;1420856886;mircea_popescu;lolwut
971662;1420856921;mircea_popescu;wtf bs "right to be forgotten". there's no such right, unless they're forgotten they're remembered.
971663;1420856949;beautyon;The enemy must be contacting all the miners in private to get them to switch. Or is that irrelevant?
971664;1420856970;decimation;the romans tried damnatio memoriae
971665;1420856976;decimation;didn't work very well
971666;1420856988;asciilifeform;the phrase is, i think, a reference to an eu-ism
971667;1420857017;asciilifeform;http://www.theguardian.com/technology/right-to-be-forgotten
971668;1420857019;assbot;Right to be forgotten | Technology | The Guardian ... ( http://bit.ly/1xZE8bU )
971669;1420857046;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo am i thick or is the answer about as related to what it quotes as gavin's "covered" is related to economy ?
971670;1420857063;BingoBoingo;!up Percy_Montesquie
971671;1420857069;mircea_popescu;beautyon even if a vast majority of miners switch it still doesn't do anything for him.
971672;1420857104;mircea_popescu;doubt they will. some pool ops might be clueless enough to try and hijack the network to please gavin/usg, but that's ok, they'll get shot later.
971673;1420857138;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: I'm just building a metaphor based on Past Trilema posts which is surprising easy when you write as much as you. I figure the Tundra artichokes can be worked into a sort of Tarqin/Poppy reference.
971674;1420857147;mircea_popescu;lol
971675;1420857159;decimation;https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nikolai_Yezhov << Yezhov was friends with Stalin
971676;1420857161;assbot;Nikolai Yezhov - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ... ( http://bit.ly/1xZElM0 )
971677;1420857168;mircea_popescu;i had plainly forgotten that article, imagine my surprise when i see an unfamilir title called up and the server actually respond.
971678;1420857261;beautyon;mircea_popescu: Surely he must know in that case that he cannot possibly win and this change will be rejected. It means forsaking control of the future direction of the standard and ceding it to you.
971679;1420857272;BingoBoingo;Well isn't that what Trilema's for. So you can save your memory's immediate recall juice for more pressing issues.
971680;1420857309;BingoBoingo;beautyon: Gavin really doesn't even seem to like Bitcoin that much anymore.
971681;1420857397;beautyon;BingoBoingo: Then he should walk away. Unless he _likes_ being a lightning rod.
971682;1420857431;BingoBoingo;beautyon: Well he can't quit without becoming a nobody so he prolly figures he might as well try to kill the thing himself.
971683;1420857539;mircea_popescu;beautyon i don't think you understand how the us politico mind works.
971684;1420857545;beautyon;BingoBoingo: I actually believe that might be true on a subconscious level. Astonishing.
971685;1420857558;mircea_popescu;as far as they're concerned, any stupidity they try is ok, "nobody could have foreseen it won't work" and it's putin's fault.
971686;1420857572;BingoBoingo;beautyon: If you want a historical thing similarly sank by mircea_popescu http://trilema.com/2013/soft-consensus-aka-fecal-matter/
971687;1420857573;assbot;Soft consensus, aka fecal matter. pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.  ... ( http://bit.ly/1xZETl2 )
971688;1420857576;mircea_popescu;i fully expect them to try, fail, and then spend the next six months writing how mp is a scammer all over reddit/the boy's bathroom
971689;1420857589;BingoBoingo;;;google stock exchange holders on welfare
971690;1420857590;gribble;The Implications of Limited Stock Market Participation for ...: <http://166.111.7.37/Upload/file/20140110/20140110165337_8607.pdf>; How Shareholders Are Hurting America - ProPublica: <http://www.propublica.org/thetrade/item/how-shareholders-are-hurting-america>; Real Output OF Stock Exchange.pdf - Stanford University: (1 more message)
971691;1420857605;BingoBoingo;;;google site:trilema.com stock exchange holders on welfare
971692;1420857605;gribble;The stockexchange shareholders on welfare pe Trilema - Un blog ...: <http://trilema.com/2012/the-stockexchange-shareholders-on-welfare/>
971693;1420857698;mircea_popescu;i don't know that vessenes' happy scamfarm is or ever was involved in anything to do with standards.
971694;1420857718;mircea_popescu;for that matter, bitcoin does have a standards body, http://thebitcoin.foundation/
971695;1420857719;assbot;..::[ The Bitcoin Foundation ]::.. ... ( http://bit.ly/1ykJZq5 )
971696;1420857768;beautyon;mircea_popescu: as long as it stays on Reddit that's fine. They had better prepare to back down quickly, or suffer losses. Sadly these feeble men run to the courts habitually which may or may not be a nuisance.
971697;1420857785;mircea_popescu;eh, you need money for that.
971698;1420857805;[]bot;Bet placed: 1 BTC for Yes on "Gold to drop under $1000 before March 2015" http://bitbet.us/bet/1101/ Odds: 92(Y):8(N) by coin, 92(Y):8(N) by weight. Total bet: 1.1 BTC. Current weight: 99,962.
971699;1420857824;mircea_popescu;vessenes' outta dough, the rest of the scammers involved are barely solvent and burried under tons of lawsuits (karpeles, caleb, ver, kenna, you name it)
971700;1420857858;mircea_popescu;they recently announced "they will focus on btc core", ie, "we can't afford anything past gavin's salary". and not even that for all of 2015.
971701;1420857866;mircea_popescu;so... it's a wart in full process of taking care of itself.
971702;1420857886;decimation;I wonder why there is so much action against gold
971703;1420857948;beautyon;Andressen, Wilson, Brito: two multi millionaire Statists and a Washington wonk, hell bent on the law. It will be interesting to see if they are for fork / suicide.
971704;1420857996;mircea_popescu;what wilson ? cody ?!
971705;1420858012;beautyon;If only!
971706;1420858058;joecool;mircea_popescu: nice domain for the foundation, did you guys actually fix 0.5.3 to fetch all blocks???
971707;1420858077;mircea_popescu;iirc mod6 reported that this is now the case
971708;1420858084;mircea_popescu;in the most recent monthly address
971709;1420858101;mircea_popescu;beautyon who then ? that guy with a blog, whatever it was called ?
971710;1420858110;beautyon;https://twitter.com/fredwilson/status/552496826646278146
971711;1420858112;assbot;2/ the answer is not to ignore them or fight them. the answer is to educate them, inform them, and work with them
971712;1420858158;mircea_popescu;o, that dood. *shrug*
971713;1420858167;BingoBoingo;Ah, the comedian
971714;1420858175;mircea_popescu;i have my doubts he's allowed to commit anything past words in this matter.
971715;1420858250;mircea_popescu;anyway, he's welcome to participate in bitcoin just as soon as he completes his log reading stage and persuades anyone his head's not full of  straw.
971716;1420858292;beautyon;Their loss of control is going to harden their attitudes. I can't wait to see them squirm.
971717;1420858420;BingoBoingo;They never really had control of anything.
971718;1420858434;mircea_popescu;beautyon anyway, for a very instructive example of how the courts work for bitcoin "captn's of industry", there's that recent hashfast debacle
971719;1420858435;mircea_popescu;http://trilema.com/2014/hashfast-or-why-the-fiat-legal-system-doesnt-actually-exist-and-doesnt-actually-matter/
971720;1420858436;assbot;HashFast - or why the fiat legal system doesn't actually exist and doesn't actually matter pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.  ... ( http://bit.ly/1xZFUK5 )
971721;1420858559;danielpbarron;!up beautyon
971722;1420858564;beautyon;BingoBoingo: That realization will make them even MOAR furious. They are out of time, and these silly associations are window dressing at best.
971723;1420858648;BingoBoingo;beautyon: I don't see how they could not know. I mean they can't even get their favorite to stop bleeding because they pay $145/CPM for TV marketing
971724;1420858713;mircea_popescu;yeah, a lot of ground has been lost since the hearn attack.
971725;1420858717;mircea_popescu;wasn't such a smart move, that.
971726;1420858761;mircea_popescu;and for that matter, i marked mtgox for death in april, they struggled to prop it for six months before abandoning it ignominously, i do not believe they do not know they can not stand.
971727;1420858777;mircea_popescu;the half or so that's left, anyway.
971728;1420858801;mircea_popescu;actually... quarter i guess. buncha people left last year too didn't they. is murky boy still involved ?
971729;1420858868;BingoBoingo;Murckckkck left the Fundnation
971730;1420858897;BingoBoingo;Because he just wanted to lobby
971731;1420858910;mircea_popescu;ah ok.
971732;1420858929;beautyon;That HashFast schmuck had good lawyers.
971733;1420858937;mircea_popescu;beautyon hardly.
971734;1420858943;mircea_popescu;you don't pay good lawyers out of 50k a year.
971735;1420858952;mircea_popescu;wait no. 50k net worth and 500 a month.
971736;1420858983;beautyon;But didn't he just walk away essentially?
971737;1420859021;BingoBoingo;Oh he got the whole farm
971738;1420859023;mircea_popescu;this is the rule in corp bankruptcy proceedings as administered in the us
971739;1420859041;mircea_popescu;you actually do better by not even hiring a lawyer.
971740;1420859046;mod6;<+joecool> mircea_popescu: nice domain for the foundation, did you guys actually fix 0.5.3 to fetch all blocks??? << yup.
971741;1420859098;BingoBoingo;<mircea_popescu> you actually do better by not even hiring a lawyer. << Personal bankruptcy differs in that you get a lawyer because it compells phone spam aggro to their number and not yours
971742;1420859124;mircea_popescu;sure, personal's anothermatter, especially if you had any assets.
971743;1420859140;decimation;personal bankruptcy is basically a well-oiled chumpatron
971744;1420859147;joecool;mod6: solid, i'll open a bug to get it included in gentoo (and troll Luke-Jr)
971745;1420859194;mircea_popescu;lol
971746;1420859198;mod6;:D
971747;1420859273;BingoBoingo;<joecool> mod6: solid, i'll open a bug to get it included in gentoo (and troll Luke-Jr) << He prolly has a historical version of his patch set s should be fine with it.
971748;1420859317;BingoBoingo;!up shovel_boss_
971749;1420859339;beautyon;By the way, are you going to publish a low level guide to warn everyone thinking about "upgrading" to the fork? Forearmed is forearmed.
971750;1420859344;BingoBoingo;<mircea_popescu> sure, personal's anothermatter, especially if you had any assets. << Nah, you get the lawyer in personal ESPECIALLY when you don't have assets
971751;1420859362;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo i meant in terms of getting raped.
971752;1420859366;mircea_popescu;beautyon you could.
971753;1420859396;BingoBoingo;beautyon: mircea_popescu laid out basics, but more guides written differently could help more innocents get the picture http://trilema.com/2015/if-you-go-on-a-bitcoin-fork-irrespective-which-scammer-proposes-it-you-will-lose-your-bitcoins/
971754;1420859396;assbot;If you go on a Bitcoin fork, irrespective which scammer proposes it, you will lose your Bitcoins. pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.  ... ( http://bit.ly/1xZHeMT )
971755;1420859414;beautyon;I'll do it.
971756;1420859441;joecool;mod6: are there plans to patch things like change predictability?
971757;1420859554;mircea_popescu;joecool CVE-2013-2273 you mean ?
971758;1420859562;joecool;yes
971759;1420859628;mircea_popescu;weren't they working on 5.9 ?
971760;1420859695;joecool;0.5.3 is the version linked on thebitcoin.foundation
971761;1420859754;mircea_popescu;right you are.
971762;1420859767;mircea_popescu;i shall let teh experts comment.
971763;1420859965;mod6;joecool: not at this time, but that might get added to the list at some point.
971764;1420860069;mod6;the list is getting lengthy, but we're not going anywhere, so we've got time.
971765;1420860153;joecool;cool, you want any patches submitted for review on stuff like this?
971766;1420860162;asciilifeform;mod6: here's something i was gonna put in 'chicken' (init patch) but somehow forgot: version string.
971767;1420860191;asciilifeform;mod6: presently it spits out the traditional one. perhaps this should change at some point.
971768;1420860204;mod6;joecool: here's a guide to submitting a patch: http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2014-December/000022.html
971769;1420860205;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1xZIu2B )
971770;1420860253;mod6;if persons submitting patches do not have L2 trust with assbot they may be submitted directly to me, and I will review.  and will probably have to sponsor said patch myself.
971771;1420860306;joecool;nah shouldn't be a problem, i have L2
971772;1420860320;joecool;format looks easy enough to follow, cool
971773;1420860323;mod6;yup, shouldn't be an issue for you. we'd love the help.
971774;1420860381;mod6;asciilifeform: ah ok. hmm. well, too late to go back and edit the 1st patch. but i guess you can submit another that resolves that issue.
971775;1420860386;[]bot;Bet placed: 5 BTC for No on "Gold to drop under $1000 before March 2015" http://bitbet.us/bet/1101/ Odds: 17(Y):83(N) by coin, 17(Y):83(N) by weight. Total bet: 6.1 BTC. Current weight: 99,885.
971776;1420860394;*;mod6 looks
971777;1420860401;asciilifeform;mod6: i'm leaving this for the folks actually involved
971778;1420860412;asciilifeform;one of you will have to pick the new string.
971779;1420860433;*;asciilifeform just wanted a fscking hardcopy of bitcoind
971780;1420860434;mircea_popescu;joecool> cool, you want any patches submitted for review on stuff like this?  << definitely that part.
971781;1420860437;mircea_popescu;send to the list, signed.
971782;1420860475;mod6;asciilifeform: sure. ben & myself were just discussing this yesterday actually. heh. not sure what this version will be called yet.
971783;1420860494;mod6;might be v0.5.3.1
971784;1420860501;asciilifeform;change predictability << personally i'd like to see the problem solved in the civilized way. i.e. http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=23-10-2014#890278
971785;1420860501;assbot;Logged on 23-10-2014 05:06:33; asciilifeform: decimation: in my (now very old) plan for rewrite, there were to be two machines
971786;1420860540;asciilifeform;walletron doesn't belong in the net stack. or on that box at all.
971787;1420860552;mircea_popescu;someone refresh me on what exactly that vuln was anyway ?
971788;1420860596;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7056 @ 0.00066962 = 4.7248 BTC [+]
971789;1420860687;asciilifeform;the entirely nonsensical way in which the client decides what to do with 'change'.
971790;1420860842;mircea_popescu;so what you can spend other people's change ?
971791;1420860851;mircea_popescu;iirc that was due to a bad hardware "rng"
971792;1420860852;asciilifeform;neh that wasn't it
971793;1420860857;asciilifeform;that was another one.
971794;1420860888;asciilifeform;(the duplicate nonce thing)
971795;1420860901;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3264 @ 0.00066802 = 2.1804 BTC [-]
971796;1420860941;mircea_popescu;joecool do you recall what that cvs actually did ?
971797;1420860987;asciilifeform;https://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=462046
971798;1420860990;assbot;Bug 462046 – net-p2p/bitcoind, net-p2p/bitcoin-qt: multiple vulnerabilities (CVE-2013-{2272,2273,2292,2293}) ... ( http://bit.ly/1xZJG6c )
971799;1420861039;mircea_popescu;2293 i recall was a retarded dos that had about 0 practical use
971800;1420861040;asciilifeform;anyone else puzzled that nowhere on the net - including above 'canonical' page - tells us wtf it did, in detail ?
971801;1420861087;asciilifeform;my sole recollections are from a brief discussion here, i think.
971802;1420861104;mircea_popescu;i dunno why but drawing a blank
971803;1420861165;asciilifeform;the default change behaviour is asinine (owing to how it destroys wallet backup as a concept) but i cannot recall how it can be seen as 'vulnerable'
971804;1420861276;joecool;i guess should look and see how they patched the behavior
971805;1420861301;asciilifeform;the whole cve paradigm is pure nsa, incidentally
971806;1420861318;asciilifeform;a 'chinese encyclopaedia' of, for the most part, mystery meats
971807;1420861332;mircea_popescu;but since we're discussing this, CVE-2013-2292 is still not fixed ?
971808;1420861332;asciilifeform;with 'the full dirt' presumably stowed away somewhere far.
971809;1420861339;mircea_popescu;(the take forever to verify tx thing)
971810;1420861379;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform yteah i am quite unhappy with an' suspicious of the current avenues for fixing "open source" software.
971811;1420861410;asciilifeform;this goes beyond the merely suspicious or ill-reputed, but is shitgnomery plain as daylight
971812;1420861458;asciilifeform;cve is the sec. research equivalent of the 1990s 'winamp playlist' (who remembers these ?)
971813;1420861483;mircea_popescu;i still have them
971814;1420861493;mircea_popescu;how do YOU listen to music ?
971815;1420861499;asciilifeform;'mplayer'
971816;1420861514;asciilifeform;(cmd line proggy)
971817;1420861537;asciilifeform;but the playlists in question were a fashion where kids posted them on their 'look i have a w3bs1t311111'
971818;1420861554;asciilifeform;but no warez behind the names, naturally
971819;1420861615;mircea_popescu;anyway, a point of strategy, which i think everyone'll appreciate cuz it's lulzy. so : the scam foundation and its merry band of power rangers have very carefully constructed this situation where "nobody knows" what's what and whence it came and where it's going, because they (wrongly) perceived that ownership of an opaque codebase will guarantee them control and continued relevance.
971820;1420861630;mircea_popescu;the problem with this approach is that once challenged, they can not i nfact produce a list of what they did.
971821;1420861654;mircea_popescu;outside of handwaves and "it has been covered in previous posts", three years of "development" can readily be discarded and nobody'd know the difference.
971822;1420861691;mircea_popescu;how's that for irony.
971823;1420861714;asciilifeform;they could try to worm out of this tight spot by coughing up a 'wunderwaffen'
971824;1420861719;asciilifeform;but it seems doubtful
971825;1420861761;asciilifeform;incidentally, 'disregard x years and you'll never see the difference' is sop on usg projects.
971826;1420861927;joecool;!up xe4l
971827;1420861964;xe4l;thanks
971828;1420861983;xe4l;http://onerng.info/ new rng someone passed along
971829;1420861984;assbot;OneRNG - Hardware Random Number Generator ... ( http://bit.ly/1BXFwJE )
971830;1420861986;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform do you have any idea what sort of work's involved in coughing up wunderwaffen that weren't planned for ?
971831;1420862000;asciilifeform;!s onerng
971832;1420862001;assbot;4 results for 'onerng' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=onerng
971833;1420862007;asciilifeform;discussed in detail.
971834;1420862010;mircea_popescu;xe4l was mentioned b4
971835;1420862012;xe4l;rgr ty
971836;1420862026;asciilifeform;xe4l: do read the linked threads.
971837;1420862060;xe4l;already reviewing
971838;1420862067;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: wunderwaffen that doesn't have to defeat the enemy, but look impressibe - is a little easier.
971839;1420862074;asciilifeform;*impressive
971840;1420862080;mircea_popescu;considering whom it has to look impressive to...
971841;1420862085;mircea_popescu;defeating enemy prolly easier.
971842;1420862125;asciilifeform;at any rate, why would the phoundation's handlers cut their funding now ?
971843;1420862136;asciilifeform;unless they have a replacement muppet brigade on hot spare
971844;1420862148;mircea_popescu;what do you think this is, some sort of wh fast tracked project ?
971845;1420862175;asciilifeform;by the looks of it, probably a 'they showed up' kind of affair
971846;1420862292;decimation;what would a 'wunderwaffen' even be like?  some kind of fatal bug they secretly fixed?
971847;1420862313;asciilifeform;decimation: neh. something more like a 'new, shiny, xxxxx' reimplementation in $trendylang
971848;1420862328;BingoBoingo;<asciilifeform> at any rate, why would the phoundation's handlers cut their funding now ? << Hearding 101. If the sheep don't want to move on you let them get hungry in their overgrazed pasture. Makes them more receptive to new grass.
971849;1420862368;asciilifeform;^ relevant: http://lowres-picturecabinet.com.s3-eu-west-1.amazonaws.com/39/main/2/13982.jpg
971850;1420862369;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1BXGK7C )
971851;1420862381;asciilifeform;(re: general chumpatronics. begs to be photodiddled.)
971852;1420862381;decimation;asciilifeform: based on their current work 'output' that scenario seems very unlikely
971853;1420862414;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: pretty much
971854;1420862421;asciilifeform;the muppets' work? sure. handlers? could extract it (from where? don't look at me) and put in their hands
971855;1420862430;asciilifeform;like stone tablets to moses
971856;1420862474;BingoBoingo;It's systemd all over again. Work is their enemy. Enemy is merely interested in producing anti-work.
971857;1420862479;xe4l;in review, onerng pros: cheap, shielded cons: hobbyist level device, design flaws
971858;1420862492;asciilifeform;!s spreading works
971859;1420862493;assbot;19 results for 'spreading works' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=spreading+works
971860;1420862494;decimation;lol yeah that poster is hilarious.  the best cattle *volunteer* for the bioreactor
971861;1420862521;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=20-08-2014#802309
971862;1420862521;assbot;Logged on 20-08-2014 06:37:37; asciilifeform: soviet scientist declares, 'we've invented a shit-to-food converter.' 'does it work?' 'sorta. spreading on bread: worlks!!11! eating - not quite yet.'
971863;1420862526;asciilifeform;xe4l ^
971864;1420862576;xe4l;hahahahaha
971865;1420862579;BingoBoingo;Related: We just detected that you�re now among the most attractive people on OkCupid.  << Profile picture is a Llama. Not metaphorically or anything. Picture is actual shaggy Llama.
971866;1420862613;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: why are you on a zoophile site ?
971867;1420862647;asciilifeform;(appears to be a logical inference here? llama was voted up?)
971868;1420862659;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: Nah. Bitcoin accepting merchant "Okcupid". Simply probing a data aggregator that happens to accept BTC.
971869;1420862812;xe4l;anyone using traffic creation software to mask activity? Eg: all internet connectivity from residence is routed out vpn(s), using QOS and traffic simulation software you maintain say 10mbit worth of various traffic (replaying or creating all relevant encapsulated protocols in use) with a low QOS setting such that your consumption is undetectable?
971870;1420862833;mircea_popescu;<BingoBoingo> Related: We just detected that you�re now among the most attractive people on OkCupid.  << Profile picture is a Llama. Not metaphorically or anything. Picture is actual shaggy Llama. << ahahaha wut.
971871;1420862845;asciilifeform;xe4l: let's imagine we were. wouldn't discussing it here defeat the purpose of the exercise ?
971872;1420862862;xe4l;in this context, not really actually
971873;1420862875;mircea_popescu;<asciilifeform> BingoBoingo: why are you on a zoophile site ? << it's not a zoophile site. it's a women's site.
971874;1420862881;asciilifeform;xe4l: were you here for the 'buried treasure' thread ?
971875;1420862890;xe4l;negative
971876;1420862899;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: actual woman on dating site? lol wtf
971877;1420862916;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: Nominally they accept Bitcoin and the same founders also made the Keybase.io thing. Gotta see if the average man on it looks worse than an ungulate.
971878;1420862918;mircea_popescu;kakobrekla http://trilema.com/2015/heres-part-n-of-our-endless-saga-aptly-titled-the-people-know-shit-or-alternatively-nothings-dumber-than-the-voice-in-the-crowd/#comment-111340 he's right isn't he ? 1400 btc the most ever bet in a single bet on bitbet innit ?
971879;1420862919;assbot;Here's part n of our endless saga, aptly titled "The People Know Shit" or alternatively "Nothing's Dumber Than The Voice In The Crowd". pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.  ... ( http://bit.ly/1AUMssM )
971880;1420862960;xe4l;!s buried treasure
971881;1420862961;assbot;10 results for 'buried treasure' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=buried+treasure
971882;1420862961;BingoBoingo;<asciilifeform> mircea_popescu: actual woman on dating site? lol wtf << Site in question kept my dick wet through Library school.
971883;1420863004;mircea_popescu;xe4l there's a deeper point involved here. stealth does not work in and of itself, as a strategy. if you want safety, you deploy an army. if you want to play the stealthy, you attach yourself to something with an army.
971884;1420863021;xe4l;I'm quite aware of Opsec
971885;1420863021;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: But since the founders made the Keybase abomination, I want to find out how much their original venture lies
971886;1420863057;xe4l;it's trivial to detect if someone is or isn't doing what I described, it's merely a layer to mask activity inside of a segment
971887;1420863075;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=30-08-2014#816402 << buried treasure thread. instructive.
971888;1420863075;assbot;Logged on 30-08-2014 20:46:17; asciilifeform: but, as every treatise on the subject invariably begins with, first try to understand what is to be hidden - and from whom
971889;1420863075;xe4l;talking about how you deal with protocol timing attacks would go more with the buried treasure opsec concept
971890;1420863182;kakobrekla;yes, good to know it works with numbers over 1k.
971891;1420863202;mircea_popescu;well really, over 100000000000
971892;1420863216;kakobrekla;hehe
971893;1420863235;mircea_popescu;xe4l i guess i don't understand what the purpose would be
971894;1420863249;xe4l;it's trivial to sniff most connectivity, especially wireless
971895;1420863259;mircea_popescu;right...
971896;1420863260;BingoBoingo;"Google Adwords" http://www.sjc.edu/after-sjc/
971897;1420863262;assbot;St. John's College | After St. John's - Careers - Alumni Outcomes ... ( http://bit.ly/1AUNYLq )
971898;1420863327;asciilifeform;it's trivial to sniff most connectivity, especially wireless << >> 'it is trivial to steal most objects, especially rotting squirrels in parks'
971899;1420863329;xe4l;the size, shape, duration, timing, etc of our traffic, no matter how encrypted still provides a wealth of information
971900;1420863375;xe4l;if for instance, your laptop, desktop, phone, whatever; always did 10mbit of encrypted traffic with variations in timing, packet size, etc
971901;1420863377;mircea_popescu;i think you will soon discover if you ever get to the practical side of things that denying ALL INFORMATION to an undefined attacker is a function of infinite budgets.
971902;1420863398;mircea_popescu;in general, to keep 99% out of any attacker's hands you'll need to spend 100x what they spend.
971903;1420863420;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=05-01-2015#965701
971904;1420863420;assbot;Logged on 05-01-2015 05:22:48; mircea_popescu: Fun noobs have a reputation of wishing to get involved in the most complex end of any matter first thing.
971905;1420863433;asciilifeform;!s invert matrix
971906;1420863434;assbot;2 results for 'invert matrix' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=invert+matrix
971907;1420863435;*;xe4l has a background in information security consulting for fortune 100's
971908;1420863439;mircea_popescu;http://www.benzinga.com/news/14/02/4346277/bitcoins-shocking-resilience-and-achilles-heel << one of the most idiotic articles on btc
971909;1420863440;assbot;Bitcoin's Shocking Resilience and Achilles' Heel | Benzinga ... ( http://bit.ly/1AUONUo )
971910;1420863447;mircea_popescu;"David Smith
971911;1420863447;mircea_popescu;David is on track to retire in two years from investing in bitcoins. David wants to help you understand the once in a lifetime opportunity this digital currency revolution provides."
971912;1420863447;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=27-08-2014#811154 (naggum, of course)
971913;1420863447;assbot;Logged on 27-08-2014 01:00:10; asciilifeform: 'pardon my cynical twist, but what are you doing with that 20,000�20,000 double-precision floating point matrix you say you need to invert _today_? If you answer "nutt'n, I jus kinda wondered what it'd be like, you know", you should be very happy that I am most likely more than 3000 miles away from you, or I would come over and slap you hard.'
971914;1420863463;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1700 @ 0.00066802 = 1.1356 BTC [-]
971915;1420863472;mircea_popescu;"david has a mental issue that makes him see vivid scenes from literature and also forces him to write about himself in the third person."
971916;1420863526;xe4l;what I'm talking about is simply providing less information, right now all of our connectivity generates a substantional amount of noise that can be intperetered, my thought is to shift that to, they are transmitting and receiving or they aren't
971917;1420863554;mircea_popescu;i guess something on udp then
971918;1420863561;asciilifeform;xe4l: let's start with the fact that 10mb/s will instantly promote you to your isp's 'hog list' in some, if not all, isp
971919;1420863563;decimation;who is 'they', and what are you transmitting or receiving?
971920;1420863578;asciilifeform;wasn't on a list the day before, and now you are.
971921;1420863599;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform now that's an excellent approach to make the point.
971922;1420863640;xe4l;asciilifeform: it was a crude example, a proper implementation would do fancy shaping, but normalize the overall traffic pattern; I'm sure residential providers wouldn't like this, but MPLS/VPLS, metro-e, routing over peering/IX - it's irrelevant
971923;1420863645;decimation;asciilifeform: what is comcast's 'secret' bandwidth cap these days?  a few hundred gigabytes per month
971924;1420863646;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: i got a piece of junk mail once, advertising specially-made capsules (for folks who have no idea how to use a saw or glue?) for buring rifles.
971925;1420863660;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: picture the fool who buys this, with his credit card, has it sent, etc.
971926;1420863669;mircea_popescu;decimation 60 from what i hear.
971927;1420863671;xe4l;over wireless you would pulse, your receiver would always transit and receive say 10mb every hour on teh hour
971928;1420863674;asciilifeform;'whatamoron' - lizardhitler
971929;1420863721;mircea_popescu;xe4l i don't get what the attacker is supposed to think here. "oh, it's ok, that's just what that weird node does" ?
971930;1420863807;asciilifeform;xe4l: student exercise in traffic analysis. http://sleipnir.syari.net/pool/graphs.html?Month << litecoin miner graphs. say which ones are chumpnet-powered.
971931;1420863808;assbot;Syari.net - P2Pool Graphs ... ( http://bit.ly/1AUQl0H )
971932;1420863893;asciilifeform;answer (rot13) - boivbhfyl, gur fvahfbvqf. qnl/avtug plpyr, znpuvarf trg fjvgpurq ba, bss. gur cynarg gheaf.
971933;1420863904;BingoBoingo;!up xe4l
971934;1420864033;BingoBoingo;<asciilifeform> mircea_popescu: i got a piece of junk mail once, advertising specially-made capsules (for folks who have no idea how to use a saw or glue?) for buring rifles. << Obvious hypothesis, they found a Wasp cache and kept the rifles
971935;1420864048;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: neh, cheap plasticky crap
971936;1420864052;asciilifeform;chumpatron
971937;1420864055;asciilifeform;with bait component
971938;1420864056;BingoBoingo;Ah
971939;1420864076;decimation;like those magnets you stick to your gas tank to improve fuel economy
971940;1420864091;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=07-01-2015#967925
971941;1420864091;assbot;Logged on 07-01-2015 04:40:04; *: asciilifeform rather thinks that this is a military matter, where adversary can afford to ransack and search 100 houses but not 100,000, and hence his gathering bits of info - matters
971942;1420864122;BingoBoingo;Cheap is prolly fine as long as you use enough cosmoline and can find solvent, but yes. Selling specifically for rifles problematic.
971943;1420864187;xe4l;mircea_popescu: oh the point would be that a sniffer would either see say 1mbit full duplex say ipsec traffic
971944;1420864220;asciilifeform;xe4l: then enemy relocates to the other end of the connection and proceeds to do - whatever he was originally to do at your end
971945;1420864225;xe4l;mircea_popescu: if the endpoint isn't doing anything, the software saturates the encrypted tunnel up to the same traffic volume/patter/protocol
971946;1420864254;xe4l;think TOR but you always do 10mbit FD
971947;1420864276;xe4l;no one can tell if your node is even doing anything or if it's just all white noise
971948;1420864293;asciilifeform;'no one' ? lol
971949;1420864321;xe4l;lol valid point, few organizations other than the NSA have any idea if data is moving or not
971950;1420864417;BingoBoingo;xe4l: You idea seems to introduce of getting v& for DDoS as plausible reason even if attacker can not tell your actual schtick
971951;1420864549;xe4l;the idea is to reduce the number of data points that can be gathered from sniffing
971952;1420865171;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20250 @ 0.00066802 = 13.5274 BTC [-]
971953;1420865398;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform you realise searching 100k houses just "creates jobs" right ?
971954;1420865409;mircea_popescu;if it were a military matter they wouldn't cut the walls offhouses.
971955;1420865467;mircea_popescu;<xe4l> think TOR but you always do 10mbit FD << o that's what this is, you fixing what you read about tor vulnerabilities recently ?
971956;1420865595;mircea_popescu;;;calc 30 * 24 * 3600 * 10 / 8
971957;1420865596;gribble;3240000
971958;1420865646;xe4l;mircea_popescu: haha, naw, TOR has a host of issues; this is merely a security layer if contemplated deploying
971959;1420865652;mircea_popescu;amazon will let you have that for ~300 a month
971960;1420866100;mircea_popescu;so thinking further on the project to compare ecdsa libraries from yest... i guess the best thing would be to email respectable crypto people see if they want to do it as a contracted job. anyone wish to make recommendations ?
971961;1420866147;mircea_popescu;aka "got a favourite cryppie ?"
971962;1420866434;mats;colin percival, moxie
971963;1420866533;TomServo;kakobrekla | i just find the whole fetch command thing silly. << If it was named scoopdog that'd be one thing...
971964;1420866568;mircea_popescu;mats aha
971965;1420866572;mircea_popescu;noted
971966;1420866827;mats;DJB, too
971967;1420866882;mircea_popescu;put links if you have em
971968;1420866992;mats;http://cr.yp.to/contact.html DJB contact
971969;1420866992;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/14D0kev )
971970;1420867084;mats;http://www.tarsnap.com/contact.html cpercival http://www.thoughtcrime.org moxie with gpg key
971971;1420867085;assbot;Tarsnap - Contact ... ( http://bit.ly/14D0FxK )
971972;1420867086;assbot;Moxie Marlinspike >> About ... ( http://bit.ly/14D0DGa )
971973;1420867169;mircea_popescu;nice
971974;1420867288;joecool;hm i wonder if he ever pops on irc, his co has a small channel
971975;1420867321;mircea_popescu;experience over the past few years shows that answer is generally yes
971976;1420867583;mats;http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2015/01/snowden-us-has-put-too-much-emphasis-on-cyber-offense-needs-defense
971977;1420867584;assbot;Snowden: US has put too much emphasis on cyber-offense, needs defense | Ars Technica ... ( http://bit.ly/14D22wt )
971978;1420867630;mircea_popescu;he's consulting now ?!
971979;1420867891;mats;'defense' is kinda misleading imo
971980;1420867978;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8050 @ 0.00065591 = 5.2801 BTC [-] {2} 
971981;1420867982;mircea_popescu;"fix the damned software" "nu-uh, we'd rather look for bugs in the chinese's" "they're using the same shit, you know"
971982;1420867986;mats;...suggesting that computers as they are can be proportionally defended, rather than a contest of risk management and attack surface
971983;1420868012;mircea_popescu;mats if i defend my windows, i look for holes. if i attack your windows, i... look for holes ?
971984;1420868015;mircea_popescu;wtf is the difference.
971985;1420868079;mircea_popescu;obviously, on a strategic plane the difference would be "stop making broken by design software ; behead all the shitgnomes ; adopt bitcoin as us currency" etc.
971986;1420868084;mircea_popescu;but that's a way waiting.
971987;1420868484;mats;https://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/emacs-devel/2015-01/msg00111.html f/oss has best community
971988;1420868485;assbot;Re: Emacs contributions, C and Lisp ... ( http://bit.ly/14D4FhK )
971989;1420868520;mircea_popescu;obviously i read "floss"
971990;1420868535;mats;as intended!
971991;1420868677;mircea_popescu;i don't get it. so, stallman-gcc, is at odds with stallman-emacs and they don';t wanna talk inside his head because cacti ?
971992;1420868758;mats;ive read it several times and concluded a) i dont get it and b) f/oss is embarassing and dumb
971993;1420868771;mircea_popescu;https://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/emacs-devel/2015-01/msg00205.html
971994;1420868772;assbot;Re: Emacs contributions, C and Lisp ... ( http://bit.ly/1yNAYrs )
971995;1420868779;mircea_popescu;apparently there's some debate about ast output in gcc.
971996;1420868940;mircea_popescu;anyway, the gcc-emacs merger seems slowly but surely emergent
971997;1420869089;mircea_popescu;mebbe they could call it gccemacsd
971998;1420869104;mats;id like to see gcc contribs move over to llvm, if for no other reason than to motivate both parties
971999;1420869137;mircea_popescu;i have not looked at the matter in at least 3 years. does llvm still own gcc much to everyone's chagrin and denial ?
972000;1420869144;asciilifeform;it never did, afaik
972001;1420869153;asciilifeform;on any parameter i know of
972002;1420869180;asciilifeform;but apple, etc. love it on account of no gpl
972003;1420869241;mircea_popescu;http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=llvm_clang35_avx2&num=1
972004;1420869242;assbot;[Phoronix] GCC 5.0 Outruns LLVM 3.5 Compiler By A Bit On Core-AVX2 ... ( http://bit.ly/14D6OKl )
972005;1420869245;mircea_popescu;im still there
972006;1420869315;mircea_popescu;llvm compiles faster, sucks at encryption (lol) and by degrees at everything else.
972007;1420869322;mircea_popescu;sounds like the true c compiler!
972008;1420869363;asciilifeform;iirc rms is concerned about something quite valid - gcc has excellent front-end and ast-level optimizations, while at the same time, a middling-to-poor set of back-ends (depending on cpu arch)
972009;1420869415;mircea_popescu;take half and run, yes
972010;1420869417;asciilifeform;back-end optimizations, that is
972011;1420869425;asciilifeform;aha. plenty of folks want to take, take, run.
972012;1420869438;BingoBoingo;http://www.mail-archive.com/bitcoin-development@lists.sourceforge.net/msg06685.html
972013;1420869439;assbot;[Bitcoin-development] OpenSSL 1.0.0p / 1.0.1k incompatible,causes blockchain rejection. ... ( http://bit.ly/14D7qiW )
972014;1420869446;mircea_popescu;aww
972015;1420869449;mats;https://gcc.gnu.org/ml/gcc/2014-01/msg00247.html RMS pisses on llvm
972016;1420869451;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/14D7r6v )
972017;1420869499;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo let me dig up my own words from the damned logs
972018;1420869528;BingoBoingo;Everyone knows you have them.
972019;1420869532;BingoBoingo;!up Vexual
972020;1420869654;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=08-01-2015#969805
972021;1420869654;assbot;Logged on 08-01-2015 08:24:54; mircea_popescu: he's prolly aiming for putting it in by february, but won't actually have the tech resources to do it and rather than risk a total humiliatory blowout delay it to march
972022;1420869668;mircea_popescu;already cracking at teh seams.
972023;1420869677;mircea_popescu;day later.
972024;1420869760;asciilifeform;'wunderwaffen' answered.
972025;1420869774;asciilifeform;-- 'soft' fork on some other minor point, boil frog more slowly.
972026;1420869832;mircea_popescu;not good enough.
972027;1420869881;mats;http://massprivatei.blogspot.ca/2015/01/mass-law-enforcement-agenices-claim.html
972028;1420869882;assbot;MassPrivateI: Mass. law enforcement agencies claim they're corporations and they're exempt from FOIA requests ... ( http://bit.ly/14D8PX1 )
972029;1420869889;mircea_popescu;"While I have often cautioned people before to avoid using libsecp256k1
972030;1420869890;mircea_popescu;for verification on the grounds that consensus trumps correctness, the
972031;1420869890;mircea_popescu;above incompatibility does strongly suggest that OpenSSL may not itself
972032;1420869890;mircea_popescu;have very good consensus-critical design. Along with Maxwell and
972033;1420869890;mircea_popescu;Wuille's recent findings� CVE-2014-3570 - strong evidence of the
972034;1420869890;mats;http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/economics/11333928/Bank-of-America-warns-of-lethal-damage-to-Chinas-financial-system-as-deflation-deepens.html
972035;1420869892;assbot;Bank of America warns of 'lethal' damage to China's financial system as deflation deepens - Telegraph ... ( http://bit.ly/14D8OSM )
972036;1420869892;mircea_popescu;excellent testing the library has undergone - I personally am now of the
972037;1420869893;mircea_popescu;opinion that migrating Bitcoin Core to libsecp256k1 in the near future
972038;1420869895;mircea_popescu;is a good idea on the grounds that it provides us with a well-written,
972039;1420869895;asciilifeform;mats: old news i think
972040;1420869897;mircea_popescu;and well-understood library designed with consensus in mind that'll
972041;1420869899;mircea_popescu;probably give us fewer consensus problems than our existing OpenSSL
972042;1420869901;mircea_popescu;dependency. It'll also help advanced protocol implementations by giving
972043;1420869903;mircea_popescu;them a clear dependency to use when they need consensus-critical
972044;1420869905;mircea_popescu;signature evaluation."
972045;1420869911;mircea_popescu;unless there's some sort of major backdoor in wuille's ecdsa implementation...
972046;1420869935;mircea_popescu;anyway, ima get on teh comparison requests tomorrow. if anyone has more names to suggest as per above...
972047;1420869982;asciilifeform;mats: see also:
972048;1420869989;asciilifeform;!s gendarmerie
972049;1420869991;assbot;7 results for 'gendarmerie' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=gendarmerie
972050;1420870060;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: aha, doing the 'nix openssl' thing from therealbitcoin idea list ?
972051;1420870084;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform seems so.
972052;1420870104;mats;asciilifeform: ive only seen this specific issue get airtime in the last few months
972053;1420870110;mircea_popescu;not that THAT is a bad move in any sense, of course. but timeo Danaos et dona ferentes.
972054;1420870125;mats;but yes, i agree with the premise re: gendarmerie
972055;1420870144;BingoBoingo;http://i.crackedcdn.com/phpimages/photoshop/0/9/8/359098_v1.jpg
972056;1420870146;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/14D9F5P )
972057;1420870146;asciilifeform;i expect to be a minority of one on this, but i'd much rather see it done by one of the folks here, than by a great sage who may or may not have been suborned (or shall be as soon as enemy gets wind of intention)
972058;1420870152;asciilifeform;unless you'd like to hire them in pairs.
972059;1420870172;[]bot;Bet placed: 1 BTC for Yes on "Gold to drop under $1000 before March 2015" http://bitbet.us/bet/1101/ Odds: 28(Y):72(N) by coin, 28(Y):72(N) by weight. Total bet: 7.1 BTC. Current weight: 99,593.
972060;1420870193;mircea_popescu;the asking is public, let teh enemy pluck its hairs.
972061;1420870220;mats;BingoBoingo: chimps are terrifying.
972062;1420870232;BingoBoingo;mats: Of course
972063;1420870389;asciilifeform;has anyone considered how preposterous the entire notion is, of bitcoin depending in the least bit on crud in external libs that can change on a whim ?
972064;1420870492;mircea_popescu;you mean, has anyone considered how idiotic "update now" is ?
972065;1420870500;mircea_popescu;yes, actuyally, they have. here even, publicly and explicitly.
972066;1420870513;asciilifeform;ah yes, more or less that.
972067;1420870526;asciilifeform;but it's especially ludicrous for safety-critical proggy
972068;1420870534;asciilifeform;and astonishing how long folks have been putting up with it.
972069;1420870608;mircea_popescu;not astonishing in the slightest.
972070;1420870620;mircea_popescu;first, there was one man, who couldn't code, doing idiotic things like windows and qt.
972071;1420870632;mircea_popescu;then there was a group of youthful men doing what seemed clumsy but well meaning stuff
972072;1420870644;mircea_popescu;then they were cast out and a bitcoin foundation constructed.
972073;1420870663;mircea_popescu;seems very reasonable really. how short would you have put up with it ?
972074;1420870722;*;asciilifeform recalls now the discussion of 'what do the mega-miners run, and why should they ever wish to tell us'
972075;1420870726;mircea_popescu;side note : i read someone (maybe joel on soft ?) in a wonderful piece "why i never upgrade" and i've never been able to find it again. ne1 know it ?
972076;1420871109;asciilifeform;mats: gcc... a) i dont get it... << what's the hard concept here? rms wishes to avoid gcc turning into a sweet and defenceless piece of candy for the 'embrace & extend/extinguish' folks.
972077;1420871152;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform he's characteristically weak in the rhetorics involved.
972078;1420871183;mircea_popescu;i very much doubt half his closest collaborators grok what he means on the strenght of his text. you yourself, i suspect, followed the logic of the situaiton not the logic of his words.
972079;1420871191;asciilifeform;situation aha
972080;1420871200;asciilifeform;'the spartan - speaks with his sword.'
972081;1420871204;mircea_popescu;well yeah, so, i don't understand wtf he's saying either.
972082;1420871208;asciilifeform;weak rhetoric, but he wields the zapper.
972083;1420871220;mircea_popescu;i do understand what he should be saying. but...
972084;1420871226;asciilifeform;through the sword i listen to wtf he is actually saying.
972085;1420871278;asciilifeform;reportedly, rms keeps a harem. perhaps it understands his words.
972086;1420871310;mircea_popescu;i never heard that report.
972087;1420871334;mircea_popescu;i heard of parrots and a fear of bathing and cactus
972088;1420871346;*;asciilifeform cannot swear to it, mainly informed thirdhand re: a variety of rms women.
972089;1420871356;asciilifeform;cactus ?
972090;1420871464;mircea_popescu;myeah
972091;1420871522;*;asciilifeform does not know what to believe, but did at one point meet an actual live woman who spoke at length of writing to rms and wishing to make close acquaintance - no luck
972092;1420871590;mircea_popescu;this proves harem in the sense person offering large stores of grain to dissinterested cad thereby proves cat's a farmer.
972093;1420871600;asciilifeform;lol
972094;1420871647;asciilifeform;re: rms and his oddities, i'd note that quite a few (most?) folks would end up regarded as similarly odd, if they somehow were set free to do wtf they pleased
972095;1420871648;assbot;Last 2 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/2PCNQ24.txt )
972096;1420871648;BingoBoingo;!b 2
972097;1420871650;mircea_popescu;in my limited experience with harems and the people keeping them, you can more or less get a trial run. especially as a young, entused woman.
972098;1420871654;BingoBoingo;Damn, missed
972099;1420871666;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform specifically, gaddafi was regarded as similarly odd,
972100;1420871672;mircea_popescu;especially as he become politically inconvenient
972101;1420871678;mircea_popescu;and in direct relation to that.
972102;1420871681;asciilifeform;aha.
972103;1420871716;asciilifeform;re: mr g:
972104;1420871734;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-03-2014#573142 http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-03-2014#573144 http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-03-2014#573145 http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-03-2014#573146
972105;1420871734;assbot;Logged on 21-03-2014 17:44:35; asciilifeform: 'When the glorious Muammar Kaddafi, in his blue bournouse, or in his uniform, appear on the telly, the domesticated inhabitant of the sanitaria jerks from fright. 'Monster,' 'terrorist,' 'evildoer,' public enemy number one - the media calls him, led by its disdain for all that is envigorating (and, on top of it all, foreign), and pushed by false information supplied by CIA... ...his very existence is 
972106;1420871734;assbot;Logged on 21-03-2014 17:44:35; asciilifeform: a videoclip of a fairy tale coming true... ...they [americans] also wish to drive around in jeeps, accompanied by squadrons of hotties in berets with kalashnikovs - but are impotent from birth. Envy, taken with an understanding of one's own powerless... easily transforms into hatred. The leaders of the sanitarium are easier for the 'patient' to understand, closer. He sees their permissible pecadillos,
972107;1420871734;assbot;Logged on 21-03-2014 17:44:35; asciilifeform: eased with their mediocrity. 'But this fellow from the desert!' (Interestingly, that among the hundreds of tyrants, in uniform and without, depending on the united states or the european sanitaria, none provoke a fraction of the wrath caused by Kaddafi. Evidently, the cause is his independence.) Kaddafi - is an extraordinary living proof of the fact that the fairy-tale version of life remains possible
972108;1420871734;assbot;Logged on 21-03-2014 17:44:41; asciilifeform: t only outside of the sanitaria.'
972109;1420871740;asciilifeform;(limonov)
972110;1420871746;mircea_popescu;http://opensourcetogo.blogspot.com.ar/2009/07/emailing-richard-stallman.html << some of the lulzier (because vintage) drama.
972111;1420871748;assbot;Open Source to Go!: Emailing Richard Stallman ... ( http://bit.ly/14Dek7P )
972112;1420871760;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6750 @ 0.00066802 = 4.5091 BTC [+]
972113;1420871889;mircea_popescu;tl;dr : gnome twerp is "I�d strongly encourage you to refrain from such comments in the future.", because that's how the world works nao.
972114;1420871948;asciilifeform;pour la gnome-aille, il faut la mitraille.
972115;1420871967;asciilifeform;or sumthinglikethat
972116;1420872002;mircea_popescu;"315 comments", you understand.
972117;1420872081;mircea_popescu;still, they're funny. guy derps about how "concerns echoed again and again are ignored!!11" and is amazed. then people echo again and again the concern that "wtf loosen up" and "why are you publishing some guy's emails ?" which he... amazingly... ignores. why ?
972118;1420872081;assbot;AMAZING COMPANY!
972119;1420872092;mircea_popescu;"because he wqon't read me! and there's no other way to vent my little penis!"
972120;1420872107;mircea_popescu;it's so great to live in this day and age.
972121;1420872126;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15798 @ 0.00064422 = 10.1774 BTC [-] {2} 
972122;1420872128;mircea_popescu;sometimes i shudder at the thought at how comparatively harder and humoruless-er my life would have been, had i chanced to live among sane people.
972123;1420872220;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu could have ended up writing monte carlo sims for implosion tampers on gigantic trinary computer. in refal.
972124;1420872242;mircea_popescu;but this is a lot more fun.
972125;1420872247;assbot;Last 2 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/0QF6332.txt )
972126;1420872247;asciilifeform;!b 2
972127;1420872717;mats;!s graham allison
972128;1420872718;assbot;2 results for 'graham allison' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=graham+allison
972129;1420872926;mats;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-07-2014#751856 << i missed this. is he unreliable?
972130;1420872926;assbot;Logged on 10-07-2014 16:05:38; asciilifeform: Mats_cd03: only worth reading if there's a source other than alexander lebed circa 1997.
972131;1420873037;mircea_popescu;http://www.thebaffler.com/articles/the-meme-hustler
972132;1420873039;assbot;The Meme Hustler - The Baffler ... ( http://bit.ly/14DhNn7 )
972133;1420873054;mircea_popescu;"The enduring emptiness of our technology debates has one main cause, and his name is Tim O�Reilly."
972134;1420873078;mircea_popescu;whodda thunk making a shitton of "x for idiots" books will result in a large bleating herd of idiots!
972135;1420873086;mircea_popescu;NOBODY COULD HAVE FORESEEN
972136;1420873518;mircea_popescu;(ethymology also interesting : stallman's favourite pressman - evgeny morozov - running down o'reilly because he's not left enough!!)
972137;1420873594;mircea_popescu;meanwhile, the relative failure of foss is strictly due to the incongruous and often misshapen radical leftist ideas of stallman. had that thing been "the same old gospel of individualism, small government, and market fundamentalism that we associate with Randian characters" it'd not be struggling covered under a pile of open source.
972138;1420873628;mats;http://www.findlaw.com.au/articles/138/the-nature-and-history-of-equity.aspx
972139;1420873631;assbot;The nature and history of equity ... ( http://bit.ly/1xO6Fz8 )
972140;1420873802;mats;whoops ... wrong one. i'm reading about the Earl of Oxford's case
972141;1420873883;mats;http://www.griffith.edu.au/__data/assets/pdf_file/0012/188688/early-intervention.pdf
972142;1420873885;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/14Dk4yD )
972143;1420873887;mircea_popescu;which one is that ?
972144;1420874188;mats;> concerned land in London which Henry VIII had gifted to Thomas, Lord Audley, as a reward ... By his will, Audley left the land to Magdalene College, Cambridge, but the college subsequently sold the land and some of it was acquired, indirectly, by the Earl of Oxford. Magdalene College challenged Oxford's title on the basis of a statute which prohibited the
972145;1420874188;mats;disposition of College lands ... as part of the original sale, Magdalene College had made an intermediate transfer to Queen Elizabeth with the deliberate intention of bypassing the statute.
972146;1420874242;mircea_popescu;heh
972147;1420874472;mircea_popescu;you know a simple summary of all the many ways english barristers tried to use the crown as a fixed point to unseat the lawe would be dazzling.
972148;1420874505;mats;i pity the research assistant
972149;1420874515;mircea_popescu;one example : original legislation to defend the living against mortmain holdings required all wills vest
972150;1420874531;mircea_popescu;but how ? and they came to the idea to make it vest in a definite relation to a definitely existing thing
972151;1420874540;mircea_popescu;on the principle that nothing that is is forever, and so...
972152;1420874565;mircea_popescu;the reaction ? make wills reference the throne succession. so wills would be as good as the lifetime of the dynasty.
972153;1420874589;mircea_popescu;that had to be excised specifically, which is how the wills practice got to be so insanely complicated, the us practitioners pretty much gave up.
972154;1420874661;mats;;;dict mortmain
972155;1420874662;gribble;wn: mortmain n 1: real property held inalienably (as by an ecclesiastical corporation) [syn: {mortmain}, {dead hand}] 2: the oppressive influence of past events or decisions [syn: {dead hand}, {dead hand of the past}, {mortmain}]
972156;1420874697;mircea_popescu;the dead are at the following advantage over the living : they don't feel any pressure to change their views.
972157;1420874748;mircea_popescu;this may become untenable.
972158;1420875070;mircea_popescu;to illustrate : suppose i am me, and i happen to believe that all females should spend a decade right after puberty nude at all times. i happen to be rich, and mindful of my beliefs. while i accept that i can't oder people around, i also expect them to respect my disposition of my own property. and so my will reads, that all my stuff is to be inherited by so and so successors, provided at all times all females pubescen
972159;1420875070;mircea_popescu;t for a decade or less on that property are nude.
972160;1420875093;mircea_popescu;my neighbour, a man of different notions but similar methods, orders all black haired people to always wear square hats.
972161;1420875119;mircea_popescu;a few century later, "circus" means a place where everything's quiet. because a simple walk down the street makes one's head spin.
972162;1420875731;mats;http://www.michaelgeist.ca/2013/02/right-to-google-a-lawyer/
972163;1420875734;assbot;One Phone Call is Not Enough: Court Rules You Have the Right to Google a Lawyer - Michael Geist ... ( http://bit.ly/1wFwT2I )
972164;1420882191;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14991 @ 0.00065972 = 9.8899 BTC [+]
972165;1420882699;scoopbot;New post on Trilema by Mircea Popescu: http://trilema.com/2015/timeo-danaos-or-lets-enjoy-the-romanian-language-together/
972166;1420885912;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12200 @ 0.00064355 = 7.8513 BTC [-]
972167;1420896221;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8249 @ 0.00064355 = 5.3086 BTC [-]
972168;1420896390;[]bot;Bet placed: 1 BTC for No on "Gold to drop under $1000 before March 2015" http://bitbet.us/bet/1101/ Odds: 23(Y):77(N) by coin, 23(Y):77(N) by weight. Total bet: 8.8399 BTC. Current weight: 98,810.
972169;1420896648;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13800 @ 0.00064351 = 8.8804 BTC [-] {2} 
972170;1420905310;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17722 @ 0.00065926 = 11.6834 BTC [+] {2} 
972171;1420905729;scoopbot;New post on BTC Scoop by peter: http://blog.btcscoop.com/day-job-research-of-2014/
972172;1420907323;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18200 @ 0.00064343 = 11.7104 BTC [-]
972173;1420907449;assbot;xiando +v failed; L1: 0, L2: 0
972174;1420907477;kakobrekla;!up xiando
972175;1420907503;xiando;So I need a better WOT rating all of a sudden? :-/ oh well, life can't always be easy as pie.
972176;1420907576;kakobrekla;as dead as wot seems it still changes.
972177;1420907807;PeterL;;;gettrust assbot xiando
972178;1420907808;gribble;Currently authenticated from hostmask xiando!xiando@irc.xiando.org. Trust relationship from user assbot to user xiando: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=assbot&dest=xiando | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=xiando | Rated since: Mon Feb 18 08:34:39 2013
972179;1420907900;PeterL;Could you self voice in the past? Maybe somebody here removed their rating?
972180;1420907998;xiando;Perhaps. But I am just this guy, you know, I rarely have anything important to say so it is fine, really. I can just idle and not be important and not write, that is alright.
972181;1420908037;PeterL;anything import to say today?
972182;1420908092;xiando;I thought I'd mention that openssl 1.0.1k apparently breaks bitcoin-core which shows how "well programmed" that piece of .. software? is. http://sourceforge.net/p/bitcoin/mailman/message/33221963/
972183;1420908093;assbot;Bitcoin / Mailing Lists ... ( http://bit.ly/1y0Onwp )
972184;1420908144;PeterL;is this a problem with openssl or bitcoin-core?
972185;1420908273;xiando;Basically a bugfix in openssl makes bitcoin-core behave differently depending on what openssl version is used
972186;1420908789;kakobrekla;http://shrani.si/f/2O/R5/4lIvDtR7/advertising.png
972187;1420908790;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1y0PuME )
972188;1420908809;kakobrekla;might as well put it here.
972189;1420908848;kakobrekla;!up hermeto
972190;1420910635;joecool;xiando: yeah it breaks it, happy to report libressl does not
972191;1420912143;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23150 @ 0.00065628 = 15.1929 BTC [+] {3} 
972192;1420915314;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 1916 @ 0.00089279 = 1.7106 BTC [-] {12} 
972193;1420915741;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6650 @ 0.000659 = 4.3824 BTC [+] {2} 
972194;1420915779;decimation;asciilifeform, others: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g_ULtNYRCbg << dude made a complete word processor in minecraft, using 'redstone logic'
972195;1420915780;assbot;Redstone Word Processor/Computer in Minecraft [1024 subscriber special] - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/17ugR61 )
972196;1420916047;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10400 @ 0.00064343 = 6.6917 BTC [-]
972197;1420916150;decimation;http://www.nytimes.com/2015/01/10/us/politics/prosecutors-said-to-recommend-charges-against-former-gen-david-petraeus.html?_r=1
972198;1420916152;assbot;Log In - The New York Times ... ( http://bit.ly/17uhQn1 )
972199;1420916179;decimation;"But investigators concluded that, whether or not the disclosure harmed national security, it amounted to a significant security breach in the office of one of the nation’s most trusted intelligence leaders. They recommended that Mr. Petraeus face charges, saying lower-ranking officials had been prosecuted for far less."
972200;1420916515;decimation;;;ticker
972201;1420916516;gribble;Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 278.72, Best ask: 278.87, Bid-ask spread: 0.15000, Last trade: 278.87, 24 hour volume: 36864.61642640, 24 hour low: 271.03, 24 hour high: 305.0, 24 hour vwap: 0
972202;1420916837;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-01-2015#972199 << lol right, like nuland.
972203;1420916837;assbot;Logged on 10-01-2015 18:56:19; decimation: "But investigators concluded that, whether or not the disclosure harmed national security, it amounted to a significant security breach in the office of one of the nation’s most trusted intelligence leaders. They recommended that Mr. Petraeus face charges, saying lower-ranking officials had been prosecuted for far less."
972204;1420916843;mircea_popescu;cheeky politicos you got over there.
972205;1420916885;decimation;yeah, there's no way they will prosecute
972206;1420916899;mircea_popescu;orly.
972207;1420916900;decimation;but the little people in usg find that 'unfair'
972208;1420916907;mircea_popescu;peterl btw, know who invented rsa ?
972209;1420916921;mircea_popescu;decimation i suspect you don't understand how that world works.
972210;1420916956;mircea_popescu;xiando: I thought I'd mention that openssl 1.0.1k apparently breaks bitcoin-core << this, of coruse, was discussed for the past few days :)
972211;1420917011;mircea_popescu;kakobrekla bwahaha slander! i'll bet you 1btc straight up they don't do it this month.
972212;1420917078;decimation;I note someone put a hefty weight against that gold bet
972213;1420917119;mircea_popescu;hm enough so im almost tempted to bet.
972214;1420917172;decimation;to think that gold will crash is also to think that usd will gain.  it's possible, with all this 'oil shock' working its way around
972215;1420917356;mircea_popescu;gold has a problem of demographic. the only people that think gold is functionally useful as a monetary metal are poor. they may be a numerous echelon, relatively speaking, what's left of the upper middle class proceeding on vague intuition and memories. however, they're poor.
972216;1420917363;mircea_popescu;and that poor speaks a lot more to power than just money.
972217;1420917391;mircea_popescu;to everyone else, gold is this quaint horse buggy. no dispute it worked at some point, no desire to go back to that point.
972218;1420917394;mircea_popescu;no chance of it, either.
972219;1420917626;joecool;mircea_popescu: i built core off libressl, the response was "it builds?"
972220;1420917646;mircea_popescu;heh
972221;1420917660;mircea_popescu;not much love for de radt in power rangerlandia hm ?
972222;1420917679;joecool;apparently not
972223;1420917898;decimation;http://www.wsj.com/articles/obama-to-propose-cybersecurity-measures-1420912674
972224;1420917899;assbot;Obama to Propose Cybersecurity Measures - WSJ ... ( http://bit.ly/17unoOc )
972225;1420917912;decimation;Mr. Obama will also outline proposals to tackle identity theft and expand Internet access.The proposals are part of a White House preview of Mr. Obama’s annual State of the Union address, to be delivered Jan. 20.
972226;1420917921;decimation;good luck with that
972227;1420918097;mircea_popescu;joecool anyway, the objection generally given to change in that spot ("that the code being merely correct is not enough assurance") is logically valid.
972228;1420918191;joecool;it's cool though, they are ditching openssl, i'm sure whatever they replace it with will do a better job :)
972229;1420918301;mircea_popescu;im not.
972230;1420918329;mircea_popescu;the exact thing played out once before, "it's cool though, they're ditching bdb, im sure whatever they replace it iwth will do a better job"
972231;1420918335;mircea_popescu;it could. not in their hands it won't.
972232;1420918358;joecool;mircea_popescu: oh that was entirely sarcastic, i did not phrase that seriously
972233;1420918362;mircea_popescu;o
972234;1420919729;adlai;gold is the old world's litecoin
972235;1420919744;adlai;had our fun, moving along.
972236;1420919925;mircea_popescu;i was thinking that as i wrote, but then dropped. yes, an apt analogy in many ways. very inept in others tho
972237;1420919987;adlai;it got me wondering what the old world's bitcoin is, and the least senseless answer is 'bitcoin'
972238;1420920017;mircea_popescu;nah, the old world's bitcoin is an unexpressed mix of contracts and reputation.
972239;1420920048;kakobrekla;<mircea_popescu> no chance of it, either. < putin thinks otherwise.
972240;1420920082;mircea_popescu;yes, well, putin is running a country. if you're running a country too, by all means, cover all bets to the degree he does.
972241;1420920094;mircea_popescu;makes me wonder where's your nuclear subs, but anyway.
972242;1420922403;cazalla;http://www.reddit.com/r/Buttcoin/comments/2rys7y/are_we_witnessing_the_beginning_of_a_civil/
972243;1420922405;assbot;Are we witnessing the beginning of a civil buttcoin war? : Buttcoin ... ( http://bit.ly/1wHVxQn )
972244;1420922490;thestringpuller;"It looks like he made his goal in life to be the most detestable person in the internet. (Methinks he is still nowhere near that rank, though.) However he is a precious resource, as an expert bitcoiner who enjoys kicking some of the most sacred cows in bitcoinland."
972245;1420922695;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12150 @ 0.00065872 = 8.0034 BTC [+] {3} 
972246;1420923520;cazalla;bit more here too https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=919629.0
972247;1420923521;assbot;Fork off ... ( http://bit.ly/1wHZiVY )
972248;1420923761;mircea_popescu;is that about me ?
972249;1420923801;cazalla;mircea_popescu, nothing you have not heard before lol
972250;1420923826;mircea_popescu;aha
972251;1420923837;mircea_popescu;aite well iwas writing a lengthy piece, brb.
972252;1420924053;BingoBoingo;;;ticker --market all
972253;1420924062;gribble;Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 276.25, vol: 37825.31373356 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 271.597, vol: 8362.04945 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 277.71, vol: 30430.02066324 | CampBX BTCUSD last: 279.0, vol: 29.42532153 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 270.617724, vol: 119575.66800000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 280.0, vol: 51.85575948 | Bitcoin-Central BTCUSD last: 284.113569988, vol: 36.2511054 | Volume-weighted last (1 more message)
972254;1420924075;Apocalyptic;cazalla, even "It is a possibility that the MP argument is a virtually literal strawman, atop a bonfire, to fuel a flame war that drives up his LTC holdings." ?
972255;1420924109;undata;wtf is virtually literal
972256;1420924148;undata;is that like almost true?
972257;1420924157;Apocalyptic;as sensible as the whole statement
972258;1420924159;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6550 @ 0.00066802 = 4.3755 BTC [+]
972259;1420924248;BingoBoingo;https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=919629.msg10105479#msg10105479 << My favorite so far
972260;1420924249;assbot;Fork off ... ( http://bit.ly/1wI27pS )
972261;1420924276;thestringpuller;reading stuff like this makes me think of the matrix
972262;1420924295;thestringpuller;where you get unplugged and see all this crazy shit and at some point you hack back in and see all the dumb people completely unaware of there shit
972263;1420924299;thestringpuller;allegory of the cave shit yo
972264;1420924329;thestringpuller;As Louis Armstrong said, "As I think to myself, was I ever this dumb?" LOL
972265;1420924359;Apocalyptic;BingoBoingo, reads like the only reasonable answer so far
972266;1420925101;danielpbarron;if the hard fork happens, it should be possible to cycle funds in and out of exchanges that are dumb enough to switch, splitting away real-bitcoin whenever the withdraw gives you an output that hasn't been doublespent yet -- or is this possibility too good to be true?
972267;1420925162;BingoBoingo;danielpbarron: May be possible. I'd count double spending your coins yourself to seperate forks before using them in anger.
972268;1420925206;danielpbarron;yes that's what i mean; withdraw, split, send fake-coins back into exchange, repeat
972269;1420925291;danielpbarron;when "dust settles," exchange is now fractional reserve (if it wasn't already)
972270;1420925294;mircea_popescu;danielpbarron no, it works just fine. gavincoin has to accept both bitcoin and gavincoin txn. this writes free options to everyone in bitcoin that gavincoin is held to honor regardless.
972271;1420925366;mircea_popescu;so yes, separate your gavincoins, send to exchange, withdraw. see if it replies with a bitcoin+gavincoin pair, if so separate it again.
972272;1420925370;mircea_popescu;if not, it's out of bitcoin.
972273;1420925382;mircea_popescu;(on the theory oldest inputs are favoured)
972274;1420925405;mircea_popescu;cold wallets may save them to some degree, but it's pretty random.
972275;1420925420;thestringpuller;in theory, gavincoin will cost more to produce
972276;1420925427;thestringpuller;the blocks > 1mb
972277;1420925433;thestringpuller;the gigachain is more expensive in nature no?
972278;1420925442;Apocalyptic;this would work only until the input the exchange is spending for your withdrawal is on both chains
972279;1420925444;mircea_popescu;i guess it would.
972280;1420925453;mircea_popescu;Apocalyptic hence "if it doesn't, it's out of bitcoins"
972281;1420925460;Apocalyptic;indeed
972282;1420925464;mircea_popescu;working on the assumption of naive exchange, of course.
972283;1420925476;mircea_popescu;in practice i';d expect them to separate their funds immediately, and only pay out gavincoins.
972284;1420925487;mircea_popescu;so they scam the userbase more than the userbase scams them
972285;1420925544;thestringpuller;also, isn't it impossible to guarentee gigachain has 1:1 parity with main-chain?
972286;1420925558;mircea_popescu;how do you mean ?
972287;1420925561;thestringpuller;they would have to wait for main-chain to mint
972288;1420925566;thestringpuller;then include all transactions in main chain
972289;1420925569;thestringpuller;then add more then mint it
972290;1420925578;mircea_popescu;heh somehow i doubt that's how it'l lwork.
972291;1420925604;thestringpuller;by statistics alone, the transaction will very greatly in each chain
972292;1420925623;mircea_popescu;right.
972293;1420925672;thestringpuller;so in order to defend the attack gavin would have to include code to keep 1:1 parity with the main-chain while his blocks are minted
972294;1420925682;mircea_popescu;it wouldn't defend.
972295;1420925682;thestringpuller;how he does that, i dunno and I don't care
972296;1420925701;thestringpuller;not commpletely defend, just make it so doors are wide open
972297;1420925710;thestringpuller;aren't*
972298;1420925720;mircea_popescu;1 tx is say 400 bytes. if i split 1k btc into 1k 1 btc txn that's 400kb. if i dump 400kb on the network as it is now, about half would be put into a block immediately.
972299;1420925726;mircea_popescu;whereas in gavincoin, all would go in.
972300;1420925731;mircea_popescu;thus, i split half already.
972301;1420925742;thestringpuller;exactly.
972302;1420925751;thestringpuller;even with 1:1 parity, you still get
972303;1420925757;mircea_popescu;so the only way to have bitcoin is 1:1 identity in all respects.
972304;1420925765;mircea_popescu;which is as it should be, really.
972305;1420925767;thestringpuller;transactions in gigachain that won't exist in main chain
972306;1420925795;thestringpuller;funny how even trying to dumb the article down, people still don't get that
972307;1420925805;thestringpuller;i even made a cute little diagram
972308;1420925836;mircea_popescu;i dunno what';s not to get
972309;1420925855;thestringpuller;i guess we just don't know how bitcoin works amirite?
972310;1420925861;mircea_popescu;this is likely.
972311;1420926040;mircea_popescu;anyway, this is exactly like that alt coin that went nowhere which was going to give everyone with bitcoin as many of the altcoin as they had bitcoin
972312;1420926048;mircea_popescu;i forget its name, but it doesn't matter, the principle is the same.
972313;1420926076;danielpbarron;CLAMs
972314;1420926090;danielpbarron;the justdice thing
972315;1420926098;mircea_popescu;the author thought he "covered" the economics involved. then it turned out the author had no fucking idea.
972316;1420926132;mircea_popescu;was that it ? pretty sure there was one before
972317;1420926142;mircea_popescu;rigth at the time keiser was pushing his aurora scam
972318;1420926876;BingoBoingo;!up fff
972319;1420926880;BingoBoingo;!up SnakePls_
972320;1420926884;BingoBoingo;!up jordandotdev
972321;1420926885;SnakePls_;!up
972322;1420926947;kakobrekla;dont break the thing now.
972323;1420926994;mircea_popescu;kakobrekla did bitstamp ever send teh documents ?
972324;1420927044;kakobrekla;not yet, but its weekend now, they are prolly drinking in some bar.
972325;1420927063;mircea_popescu;in sf ?!
972326;1420927073;mircea_popescu;maybe starbux
972327;1420927077;kakobrekla;they dont have bars there?
972328;1420927092;kakobrekla;brb
972329;1420927249;mircea_popescu;a) you can't smoke ; b) alcohol is bad for you mkay
972330;1420927269;adlai;"So I think the lack of a real computer science today, and the lack of real software engineering today, is partly due to this pop culture [of the personal computer]." https://queue.acm.org/detail.cfm?id=1039523
972331;1420927270;assbot;A Conversation with Alan Kay - ACM Queue ... ( http://bit.ly/1AZSPLe )
972332;1420927819;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18720 @ 0.00065069 = 12.1809 BTC [-] {2} 
972333;1420928125;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13084 @ 0.00066898 = 8.7529 BTC [+] {2} 
972334;1420928734;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6416 @ 0.0006749 = 4.3302 BTC [+]
972335;1420928852;thestringpuller;"That's my point. Before you kick a sleeping tiger that has no teeth make sure you can see his gums"
972336;1420930472;scoopbot;New post on BTC Scoop by peter: http://blog.btcscoop.com/technetium/
972337;1420932882;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20650 @ 0.0006749 = 13.9367 BTC [+] {2} 
972338;1420933924;ben_vulpes;afternoon, gents
972339;1420934224;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6850 @ 0.00067109 = 4.597 BTC [-]
972340;1420934712;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26700 @ 0.00067109 = 17.9181 BTC [-]
972341;1420934951;scoopbot;New post on BTC Scoop by peter: http://blog.btcscoop.com/block-size-fork/
972342;1420935331;Apocalyptic;PeterL, the link on "reported" is broken
972343;1420935487;PeterL;fixed, thanks
972344;1420935507;Apocalyptic;yw
972345;1420935598;ben_vulpes;stan the key you signed those patches with has expired
972346;1420935604;ben_vulpes;asciilifeform ^^
972347;1420935614;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: it was updated
972348;1420935620;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: resync your gpg
972349;1420935627;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5450 @ 0.00067109 = 3.6574 BTC [-]
972350;1420935631;asciilifeform;(am i the only one who still expires keys?)
972351;1420935711;thestringpuller;asciilifeform i hope they model an AI construct after you one day.
972352;1420935722;asciilifeform;wat
972353;1420935879;thestringpuller;i'd love to have asciilifeform AI controlling my house
972354;1420935896;thestringpuller;like JARVIS in Iron Man.
972355;1420935973;mircea_popescu;http://qntra.net/2015/01/bitpay-lays-off-9-employees-today/
972356;1420935974;assbot;BitPay Lays Off 9 Employees Today | Qntra.net ... ( http://bit.ly/14GG6k5 )
972357;1420935976;mircea_popescu;so it begins huh.
972358;1420936007;thestringpuller;funny how bitstamp's "survival" is front page news but this isn't
972359;1420936020;asciilifeform;it had employees !?!
972360;1420936021;thestringpuller;;;google bitpay layoffs
972361;1420936022;gribble;BitPay Lays Off 9 Employees Today | Qntra.net: <http://qntra.net/2015/01/bitpay-lays-off-9-employees-today/>; Qntra.net | Bitcoin News, Views & Commentary: <http://qntra.net/>; Richard Branson Bitpay Statement - Business Insider: <http://www.businessinsider.com/richard-branson-bitpay-statement-2014-5>
972362;1420936025;PeterL;speaking of bitpay ... are you ever going to put F.DERP shares for sale?
972363;1420936031;*;asciilifeform was quite certain that it consisted of a perl script or two
972364;1420936047;thestringpuller;asciilifeform: i toured the offices. they have like 30+ employees
972365;1420936052;thestringpuller;what they do I do not know
972366;1420936065;thestringpuller;s/have/had
972367;1420936078;PeterL;I suppose they could be marketing, trying to get companies to sign up for their service?
972368;1420936114;ben_vulpes;"socal media"
972369;1420936120;ben_vulpes;(not a typo)
972370;1420936125;asciilifeform;l0l!!!
972371;1420936140;PeterL;are they located in socal?
972372;1420936168;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: try sokal media
972373;1420936277;ben_vulpes;PeterL: 'tis a reference to the homeland of the social networks
972374;1420936286;ben_vulpes;asciilifeform: lol
972375;1420936294;mircea_popescu;PeterL yeh gotta do that. i will yes.
972376;1420936308;PeterL;but wouldn't that be in Northern California?
972377;1420936320;ben_vulpes;it's all somalia to me
972378;1420936328;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes weren'tthey in florida or something ?
972379;1420936329;PeterL;lol, close enough
972380;1420936343;ben_vulpes;jeez guys leave my shitty puns alone
972381;1420936351;mircea_popescu;anyway, socal is where the really easy skanks / surfer dudes / rednecks live.
972382;1420936360;PeterL;ha, I can be hard to please sometimes
972383;1420936383;PeterL;Socal has nice weather, but the people ruin it
972384;1420936482;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28100 @ 0.00064987 = 18.2613 BTC [-] {4} 
972385;1420936583;PeterL;http://mpex.co/?mpsic=F.DERP looks like the person who bid based on the 10X valuation mistake finally removed their bid
972386;1420936721;ben_vulpes;bruce oreck is my hero
972387;1420936768;PeterL;do tell, why?
972388;1420936785;ben_vulpes;PeterL: http://wemeantwell.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2012/12/bill-oreck-is-a-douche1.jpg
972389;1420936787;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1Kx1Ors )
972390;1420936896;thestringpuller;mircea_popescu: where is this long article you've been working on all day?
972391;1420936906;mircea_popescu;thestringpuller bout halfway done it's a scandal!
972392;1420936931;mircea_popescu;i don't mean the article's a scandal, i just mean, it being so long is scandalous.
972393;1420937397;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27551 @ 0.00064035 = 17.6423 BTC [-] {4} 
972394;1420937713;thestringpuller;!up shovel_boss_
972395;1420937716;thestringpuller;!up the_real_john_ga
972396;1420937738;shovel_boss_;why did i get up
972397;1420937746;thestringpuller;you joined channel?
972398;1420937757;thestringpuller;force of habit
972399;1420938764;thestringpuller;http://i.imgur.com/cikxn8u.jpg
972400;1420939778;scoopbot;New post on Trilema by Mircea Popescu: http://trilema.com/2015/people-we-dont-like-fighting-each-other-an-ode/
972401;1420941671;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: what on earth do you have against kalash ?! i keep wondering.
972402;1420941693;mircea_popescu;nothing! i have nothing against ice breakers and atomic shelters, either. but i don't own any!
972403;1420941697;asciilifeform;aha
972404;1420941702;mircea_popescu;i don't go down the street carrying a horse. or a boat.
972405;1420941706;mircea_popescu;they're great, but...
972406;1420941727;asciilifeform;the article phrased a little differently: 'smartphone... much like ak... simply not useful'
972407;1420941739;mircea_popescu;not UNIVERSALLY useful
972408;1420941740;asciilifeform;hence confused.
972409;1420941748;mircea_popescu;it's not superman's fucking cape already.
972410;1420941753;mircea_popescu;what'd you do with it ? shoot someone ?
972411;1420941763;asciilifeform;scalpel also not universally useful.
972412;1420941765;mircea_popescu;if you kill fifty people a day and it's giving you carpal, get an ak do it faster. that i see.
972413;1420941776;mircea_popescu;you've never killed anyone ? what's a rifle to you ? get a dildo.
972414;1420941797;mircea_popescu;brb.
972415;1420941808;ben_vulpes;dafuq does this dishwasher get off claiming a "smart wash" mode?
972416;1420941822;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: envirowhinerism
972417;1420941829;ben_vulpes;what kinds of smarts can the thing possibly have
972418;1420941860;ben_vulpes;now the washing machine can at least measure moments of inertia, and make some kind of guess about how much water to derp into itself, that i'll scowlingly perhaps accept if i'm in a generous mood.
972419;1420941861;asciilifeform;smart as in 'smart free speech.'
972420;1420941863;ben_vulpes;but the dishwasher!?
972421;1420941874;ben_vulpes;asciilifeform: "phree"
972422;1420941908;undata;maybe it measures how turdly the water draining out the bottom is? iono
972423;1420942069;undata;some kenmore one claims to detect the turdliness of the dishes themselves
972424;1420942077;thestringpuller;http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/2rzvfu/peter_todd_on_twitter_with_bitstamp_on_amazon_aws/ << is everyone just dumb?
972425;1420942090;thestringpuller;should I start watering my plants with gatorade yet?
972426;1420942123;asciilifeform;elektrolytes!
972427;1420942174;ben_vulpes;http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/2rzvfu/peter_todd_on_twitter_with_bitstamp_on_amazon_aws/cnkzl3h << reddit startles
972428;1420942176;assbot;Elmer__FUD comments on Peter Todd on Twitter: "With Bitstamp on Amazon AWS, there's a high probability that some Three Letter Agency has a copy of their databases; expect zero privacy." ... ( http://bit.ly/1A48GnR )
972429;1420942215;thestringpuller;;;google "I'm so startled"
972430;1420942215;gribble;Preview Clip - I'm So Startled! - Video Clip | South Park Studios: <http://southpark.cc.com/clips/189600/preview-clip-im-so-startled>; So Startled - YouTube: <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gHAgFhNGbo0>; I'm so STARTLED - YouTube: <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y5nlCNWyc30>
972431;1420942216;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7275 @ 0.0006762 = 4.9194 BTC [+] {2} 
972432;1420942248;*;asciilifeform puts for the record that he is very much looking forward to the first case of goxian btc theft that can only be explained by an overenthusiastic politruk and his root pw.
972433;1420942276;thestringpuller;"Oops I accidentally copy pasted this password wrong."
972434;1420942401;asciilifeform;you'll know gotterdammerung isn't far when usg btc-fiat exchange handlers start lifting from the pots, in broad daylight, and leaving their 'patients' to take the blame.
972435;1420942426;asciilifeform;or what, you didn't think 'kyc' extends to private keys?
972436;1420942431;ben_vulpes;<asciilifeform> [] the default change behaviour is asinine (owing to how it destroys wallet backup as a concept) but i cannot recall how it can be seen as 'vulnerable' << wallet notion itself is asinine
972437;1420942458;ben_vulpes;or rather, notion that bitcoind should bear responsibility for tracking your coinholdings.
972438;1420942481;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: one can conceive of 'wallet' that doesn't try to abstract over the actual mechanics of bitcoin
972439;1420942507;ben_vulpes;lol one can concieve of all sorts of things asciilifeform
972440;1420942517;kakobrekla;betmoose declined my offer. :(
972441;1420942527;asciilifeform;kakobrekla: surprised ?
972442;1420942540;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: how would you propose the user is to keep track of his coin ?
972443;1420942558;ben_vulpes;spreadsheet or org mode file should be adequate for the user of "angry five"
972444;1420942560;kakobrekla;well i wasnt expecting an answer at all tbh.
972445;1420942575;thestringpuller;who needs a wallet when you can just create the transaction offline, and then feed the finalized thing to the node
972446;1420942589;ben_vulpes;^^ that behavior actually blows the wallet concept entirely pu
972447;1420942590;thestringpuller;have no idea why they haven't split the node from the wallet
972448;1420942600;asciilifeform;thestringpuller: we discussed splitting
972449;1420942613;undata;yeah, given a sane interface to feed transactions all manner of other programs can do as they please
972450;1420942613;asciilifeform;it seems like an utterly obvious and necessary thing to me
972451;1420942625;ben_vulpes;<thestringpuller> have no idea why they haven't split the node from the wallet << mostly time.
972452;1420942637;asciilifeform;private keys belong on airgapped machine
972453;1420942642;thestringpuller;well in general.
972454;1420942644;ben_vulpes;raw transaction api backport's not totally trivial.
972455;1420942653;thestringpuller;fucking bitpay with their nodejs wallet-core-thingamafucker
972456;1420942663;ben_vulpes;"https-snipsnip" this ain't.
972457;1420942676;thestringpuller;i'd revel in conformal's products if it wasn't written in GO
972458;1420942678;ben_vulpes;thestringpuller: oh tchyeah that thing's considered harmful.
972459;1420942690;ben_vulpes;ah, what's wrong with go, thestringpuller?
972460;1420942695;thestringpuller;i don't know it?
972461;1420942697;thestringpuller;XD
972462;1420942706;ben_vulpes;just another *lang
972463;1420942710;asciilifeform;single-vendor turdware ?
972464;1420942728;thestringpuller;^- this should be used more often
972465;1420942730;ben_vulpes;i smell toe jam cooking
972466;1420942738;thestringpuller;This is how I will describe SAP for now on.
972467;1420942741;asciilifeform;what's toe jam cooking ?
972468;1420942762;ben_vulpes;!s stallman toe jam
972469;1420942763;assbot;0 results for 'stallman toe jam' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=stallman+toe+jam
972470;1420942770;ben_vulpes;;;google stallman toe jam
972471;1420942771;gribble;Richard Stallman Eats Something From His Foot - YouTube: <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I25UeVXrEHQ>; The Hacker Guru With the World's Best Tour Rider - Gawker: <http://gawker.com/5853965/the-hacker-guru-with-the-worlds-best-tour-rider>; Richard Stallman - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_Stallman>
972472;1420942802;thestringpuller;Yea he literally eats something from his foot
972473;1420942816;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: you might enjoy last night's thread about this very thing.
972474;1420942820;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=10-01-2015#972094 and below
972475;1420942820;assbot;Logged on 10-01-2015 06:34:07; asciilifeform: re: rms and his oddities, i'd note that quite a few (most?) folks would end up regarded as similarly odd, if they somehow were set free to do wtf they pleased
972476;1420942862;thestringpuller;asciilifeform would enjoi rick and morty
972477;1420942872;asciilifeform;thestringpuller: i actually saw it.
972478;1420942887;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12524 @ 0.00067745 = 8.4844 BTC [+] {2} 
972479;1420942895;ben_vulpes;i'll get there eventually, asciilifeform
972480;1420942946;mircea_popescu;<ben_vulpes> but the dishwasher!? << it probably uses less water if you put less clothes in
972481;1420942957;ben_vulpes;heh.
972482;1420942994;ben_vulpes;i musta been putting the wrong objects in the wrong boxes this whole time.
972483;1420943000;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform "I don't perceive a smartphone's worth having. Much like an AK-47, if not for the same reason." << i think it's clearly stated. like an assault rifle, a smartphone's not worth having. not for the same reason tho, but nevertheless, not worth having.
972484;1420943004;*;ben_vulpes goes to swap dishwasher and laundry machine loads
972485;1420943006;thestringpuller;one day future asciilifeform will show up in a delorean talking like Christopher Lloyd. this is when my life will truly begin.
972486;1420943068;thestringpuller;http://i.imgur.com/asj4rQB.jpg anyhow I'm going to go get two birds stoned at once
972487;1420943106;ben_vulpes;thestringpuller: smokes. let's go.
972488;1420943118;mircea_popescu;"Whoever stands between progress in Bitcoin should be ignored."
972489;1420943126;mircea_popescu;lol cazalla the derps are precious.
972490;1420943139;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: 'march from me to the next oak tree.'
972491;1420943147;mircea_popescu;apparently the libertards are actually retarded enough to have misapprehended bitcoin as some sort of ally for their stuff.
972492;1420943174;asciilifeform;^ i noticed this when writing the 'mpex review' article
972493;1420943201;undata;mircea_popescu: some, most aren't intelligent enough to grasp it at a surface level
972494;1420943204;mircea_popescu;sort-of like the way the penguin died out.
972495;1420943216;mircea_popescu;undata right. "men with guns ? wheee they came to play!"
972496;1420943219;undata;when I was younger I thought Ron Paul was the way
972497;1420943230;undata;it only took a few encounters with that crowd to decide otherwise
972498;1420943239;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: interestingly, back when there was a roughly similar 'messianic' cargo cult around pgp (the original pgp) - the folks involved more or less missed all the interesting implications of their toy.
972499;1420943241;*;undata was raised by "paleoconservatives"
972500;1420943253;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 2234 @ 0.00088999 = 1.9882 BTC [-] {6} 
972501;1420943254;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform perhaps for the same reasons.
972502;1420943259;asciilifeform;for exactly same reasons
972503;1420943289;cazalla;mircea_popescu, we'll see how much of their derping translate into traffic.. that thread is 2nd most popular on bitcointalk today according to blockchained.com
972504;1420943313;mircea_popescu;cazalla if it does translate into traffic you'll see it as a worsening of the demographic quality lol.
972505;1420943315;cazalla;if we're lucky, some will stop by here having read it
972506;1420943321;asciilifeform;i'll take the liberty of quoting old article of mine: ' I can�t help but picture a flashlight or a radio set, left behind in the wilderness by geologists, to be picked up later by some Stone Age aboriginals; to be fought over and worshiped. Until the batteries run out.  But the batteries have not yet run out!  The flashlight shines, the radio plays. Let�s listen and hear what it plays. '
972507;1420943367;mircea_popescu;pgp seems to be living a nice 2nd youth these days tho
972508;1420943371;asciilifeform;savages, by definition, cannot properly apparehend a flashlight.
972509;1420943406;asciilifeform;the more furious their activity around it, the more folly. they will come no closer to understanding, e.g., battery
972510;1420943437;mircea_popescu;the definition of savages, you will notice, is formal not substantial.
972511;1420943449;mircea_popescu;references to formal definitions as "by the very definition" are shaky.
972512;1420943461;asciilifeform;it's a comic book picture, the image
972513;1420943471;asciilifeform;unfortunately applies to a number of very real people
972514;1420943492;mircea_popescu;that it does.
972515;1420943509;mircea_popescu;kinda why a worldwithout selection wouldbe so sad
972516;1420943533;*;asciilifeform racks brain to recall the film where a stone age tribe finds glass bottle
972517;1420943568;asciilifeform;aha, here: http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0080801
972518;1420943569;assbot;The Gods Must Be Crazy (1980) - IMDb ... ( http://bit.ly/1A4b2Dh )
972519;1420943569;ben_vulpes;"the gods must be crazy"
972520;1420943593;*;ben_vulpes imagines watching this flick with a typical progre
972521;1420943615;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes you live in a good town for that, neh ?
972522;1420943618;mircea_popescu;pick one up!
972523;1420943673;mircea_popescu;"If you are worrying about the time when 20MB per block is filled, you are worrying that bitcoin will have 20x more transactions, an increase from the currently throttle of approx 6 per second to around 120 per second. If you are worrying that bitcoin will have 20x more transactions, then you are worrying about it having many more users."
972524;1420943674;mircea_popescu;derp.
972525;1420943685;mircea_popescu;it's so funny how the arguments in favour of inflation go with the "general public"
972526;1420943694;cazalla;turns out the black guy of that movie died 13 years ago.. sorry to be such a debbie downer
972527;1420943700;mircea_popescu;this could be about silver, or about assignats, or about "the debt ceiling" or anything
972528;1420943803;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: i always found it rather odd that folks who very easily see the problems with, e.g., pollution of the atmosphere or of the sea, fail to grasp an exactly analogous argument re: inflation
972529;1420943821;mircea_popescu;because they know that money's going to them.
972530;1420943854;asciilifeform;and whatever's on the other end of the belching smokestack, isn't ?
972531;1420943866;mircea_popescu;not them.
972532;1420943876;undata;there's that and also, I think the american system demonstrates just how obedient the average person is
972533;1420943894;undata;and for those that don't get it, they've just been told not to by their televised tribe
972534;1420943907;mircea_popescu;"If Popescu chooses to wage war in fragmented environment and can demonstrate some potential to come out victorious I'll likely put my resources behind his efforts.  This exclusively because whatever his motivations might be, his basic end goal and my own seem to align."
972535;1420943914;mircea_popescu;sez tvbconf
972536;1420943938;mircea_popescu;course, forum has no idea who tvbconf is, but hey
972537;1420943951;mircea_popescu;what difference does identity make ?! ANONIMITY IS THE SOLUTION!
972538;1420944078;thestringpuller;the alert keys are currently only held by gavin and theymos?
972539;1420944094;ben_vulpes;does waiting on apparent victory to ally ever work out?
972540;1420944146;thestringpuller;in what the WWII sense? or what?
972541;1420944159;thestringpuller;and i'm not cory or trevor ben_vulpes :P
972542;1420944160;mircea_popescu;generally it's everyone;s favourite tactic lol
972543;1420944162;thestringpuller;i'm more of a bubbles
972544;1420944176;asciilifeform;works great for usa, vultures, etc.
972545;1420944207;ben_vulpes;i guess it works if your goal is to suck the conqueror's cocks.
972546;1420944221;mircea_popescu;"I don't think a hard fork would be very difficult, but only if the following two points are taken into account:
972547;1420944221;mircea_popescu;- Support for the fork should be overwhelming. If 95% of the users agree with the fork, the 5% that don't are pretty much forced to participate. Sure, they can keep running the non-forked version, but coins on that chain will be unlikely to keep their value."
972548;1420944226;mircea_popescu;people just don't like to read do they.
972549;1420944288;ben_vulpes;like to lol
972550;1420944385;thestringpuller;I wonder how Gavin got compromised. Will make for intersting movie one day.
972551;1420944403;ben_vulpes;i'm guessing dollars.
972552;1420944404;undata;thestringpuller: compromised how?
972553;1420944410;thestringpuller;Like did men in black suits just show up and tell him "this is how it's gonna be"
972554;1420944417;thestringpuller;like being a CIA asset
972555;1420944421;thestringpuller;or like what
972556;1420944423;undata;I dunno was poettering compromised?
972557;1420944431;ben_vulpes;"useful fool" is a phrase asciilifeform's to describe the type
972558;1420944435;undata;^
972559;1420944442;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: due to lenin
972560;1420944449;asciilifeform;originally, 'useful idiots'
972561;1420944451;mircea_popescu;https://bitcointa.lk/threads/auxiliary-block-increasing-max-block-size-with-softfork.164883/ (the point that you don't REALLY need to fork bitcoin to "enlarge blocks" is acutally 2 years old)
972562;1420944452;assbot;Auxiliary block: Increasing max block size with softfork | Bitcointa.lk ... ( http://bit.ly/1A4cRjx )
972563;1420944457;mircea_popescu;everyone prolly forgot.
972564;1420944529;thestringpuller;yea it's even linked in the fork off thread
972565;1420944534;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10515 @ 0.00066518 = 6.9944 BTC [-]
972566;1420944535;thestringpuller;and people kinda just push it under the carpet
972567;1420944543;thestringpuller;"Nah. We want a hardfork."
972568;1420944606;mircea_popescu;right.
972569;1420944651;mircea_popescu;so what's next, if this somehow succeeds ? two years from now, liberia uses bitcoin as nat'l currency, suddenly the workers go on strike, ask for double salaries. govt asks gavin to fork btc to give them an extra one-off five million btc to pay the workers.
972570;1420944655;mircea_popescu;everyone agrees, right ?
972571;1420944672;mircea_popescu;because a) poor workers, they need it and b) not agreeing would be being against expanded usage of bitcoin
972572;1420944691;thestringpuller;yay. free bitcoins for everyone!
972573;1420944694;mircea_popescu;and for that matter c) there's already precedent, the "poor users" who wanted to play but didn't want to pay tx fees were given free stuff before.
972574;1420944698;ben_vulpes;"bitcoins"
972575;1420944699;thestringpuller;no we can all buy aston martins
972576;1420944704;thestringpuller;now*
972577;1420944709;mircea_popescu;how about the idea is that bitcoin adoption means OTHER PEOPLE AND THINGS CHANGE ?
972578;1420944720;mircea_popescu;we don't change for the fucking world. the world changes. anything and everything.
972579;1420944730;mircea_popescu;the sec changes its procedures to accomodate my dictates.
972580;1420944741;mircea_popescu;liberia fucking changes its labor laws to accomodate bitcoin.
972581;1420944745;mircea_popescu;that sort of thing.
972582;1420944752;mircea_popescu;wtf are we here, to entertain the world ?
972583;1420944762;ben_vulpes;it's not really an argument at this point.
972584;1420944763;mircea_popescu;this isn't tv.
972585;1420944769;ben_vulpes;just kinda...inevitable.
972586;1420944778;mircea_popescu;what is ?
972587;1420944781;thestringpuller;war
972588;1420944783;ben_vulpes;world changing
972589;1420944787;ben_vulpes;war too
972590;1420944788;mircea_popescu;yeah well...
972591;1420944818;asciilifeform;i'm not sure why it even matters what the gavinists do, so long as the original blockchain continues to run as designed. it then remains a 'hawala' between actual people, and zimbabwe can do whatever
972592;1420944833;ben_vulpes;usg can mandate its serfs run .10 or w/e
972593;1420944839;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform sure.
972594;1420944856;mircea_popescu;http://qntra.net/2015/01/the-hard-fork-missile-crisis/#comment-6676 <<
972595;1420944857;assbot;The Hard Fork Missile Crisis | Qntra.net ... ( http://bit.ly/1A4dsld )
972596;1420944876;mircea_popescu;the great gift of satoshi is exactly that : we finally have a tool whereby idiots can only hurt themselves.
972597;1420944884;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: i suspect that the only reason we do not yet have 'mandatory' national altcoins is that lizardhitler still hopes to wind back clock to '08 or the like
972598;1420944892;mircea_popescu;bitcoin didn't appreciably suffer because whatever scam, paycoin or w/e was created
972599;1420944899;mircea_popescu;"just as much a cryptocurrency, only better!"
972600;1420944902;mircea_popescu;recall realsolid ?
972601;1420944909;mircea_popescu;same deal here. so gavin is making something that
972602;1420944920;mircea_popescu;'s "just as much bitcoin as bitcoin only better" ? poopy for him lol.
972603;1420944928;mircea_popescu;he can pay gmaxwell in it and tip reddit.
972604;1420945126;thestringpuller;!up hermeto
972605;1420945183;mircea_popescu;"MP def lost the intellectual battle by the brag of wealth as his last effort to win."
972606;1420945193;mircea_popescu;check out the many ways you can lose "intellectual battles" lol.
972607;1420945266;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5850 @ 0.00066308 = 3.879 BTC [-]
972608;1420945561;thestringpuller;this has nothing to do with the block size anymore does it?
972609;1420945572;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: 'at no point was the FSF an important force on the field.' << though history isn't an experimental science, we are getting a kind of picture of what we may have ended up with much sooner, without rms
972610;1420945586;thestringpuller;This is about Gavin proving he can hijack the Bitcoin network to whomever his handler may be.
972611;1420945599;asciilifeform;apple's bsd fork is the likely model
972612;1420945605;mircea_popescu;thestringpuller more like, proving that he can STILL do it.
972613;1420945617;asciilifeform;'embrace&extinguish'
972614;1420945629;thestringpuller;obilteration of legacy...
972615;1420945663;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform but listen. just because the tiny nation of romania made the famine at leningrad possible doth not mean romania was an IMPORTANT player in ww2.
972616;1420945675;mircea_popescu;and an argument that hitler marginalized antonescu is at best bizarre.
972617;1420945676;asciilifeform;see also http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=07-01-2015#967929
972618;1420945676;assbot;Logged on 07-01-2015 04:41:46; asciilifeform: naggum had a piece where he confessed to thinking of 'open source' as a weapon, purpose-built for the destruction of a particular evil (microshit)
972619;1420945700;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: finland better example
972620;1420945700;mircea_popescu;yeah, tellingly no mention of gates makes into morozov's thinking.
972621;1420945725;mircea_popescu;i guess "important" is not the best word, as im discussing size-importance.
972622;1420945770;mircea_popescu;not sure how'd that be said better.
972623;1420945876;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18794 @ 0.00067437 = 12.6741 BTC [+] {2} 
972624;1420946055;asciilifeform;'Stallman complained that anything of good quality remains...' << rms is a counterweight.
972625;1420946117;asciilifeform;he has some rather peculiar and sometimes contradictory logic behind the -why- of what he does, but so did semmelweis.
972626;1420946251;asciilifeform;'gpl' is a weapon. yes, bullet makes bloody holes in things - that's what it was made for. yes, bullet is dumb and goes in whatever direction for no really logical reasons it can explain. big surprise.
972627;1420946297;thestringpuller;RMS isn't married is he.
972628;1420946304;asciilifeform;not afaik
972629;1420946332;thestringpuller;no wonder his eccentricities go unchecked.
972630;1420946348;asciilifeform;they go unchecked because he has independent income.
972631;1420946390;thestringpuller;an no she-devil at home to suck his life force away
972632;1420946400;thestringpuller;good for him tho
972633;1420946402;asciilifeform;thestringpuller: these are optional
972634;1420947906;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform yes, all that's true.
972635;1420947921;mircea_popescu;neither of it enacts rms as some sort of Jesus unless im missing a lot ?
972636;1420948112;asciilifeform;no jesusen needed
972637;1420948133;mircea_popescu;right.
972638;1420948221;mircea_popescu;i don't propose that rms "shouldn't have" or that fsf shouldn't have been or anything of the sort. but really, the pretense that at some point the situation seriously was, red pill vs blue pill and o'reilly of all people tricked everyone into getting the wrong pill...
972639;1420948228;mircea_popescu;that's rank nonsense, who ever heard of it.
972640;1420948249;asciilifeform;see the semmelweis example. it doesn't much matter that he advocated 'wash hands' because the cockroaches and spiders in his head told him to, rather than some better reason.
972641;1420948251;mircea_popescu;the situation was microsoft or go hang yourself, to which a lot of people who didn't particularly wish to hang themselves reacted as best they could,
972642;1420948267;mircea_popescu;and in the end it killed ms, but then... google was born, and apple was reborn, and here we are.
972643;1420948283;asciilifeform;the thing rms was trying to kill in, say, 'right to read', is still alive and well.
972644;1420948295;mircea_popescu;right.
972645;1420948306;mircea_popescu;and this for structural reasons, really.
972646;1420948308;asciilifeform;arguably microshit is reborn in these other devils, much as ibm was reborn in it
972647;1420948316;mircea_popescu;if i write something on my slavew's thigh it's none of your damned business wtf.
972648;1420948317;asciilifeform;usg dept. of computing.
972649;1420948343;ben_vulpes;thestringpuller: http://qntra.net/2015/01/the-hard-fork-missile-crisis/ << wd
972650;1420948344;assbot;The Hard Fork Missile Crisis | Qntra.net ... ( http://bit.ly/1w8dGFC )
972651;1420948345;asciilifeform;https://www.gnu.org/philosophy/right-to-read.html
972652;1420948346;assbot;The Right to Read- GNU Project - Free Software Foundation ... ( http://bit.ly/1w8dExK )
972653;1420948354;asciilifeform;^ about something rather else
972654;1420948371;mircea_popescu;is it ?
972655;1420948382;ben_vulpes;also hey qntra would you drop gravatar for the "here's my domain, please serve domain/avatar.png" icon model?
972656;1420948398;mircea_popescu;holy shit it lives
972657;1420948410;asciilifeform;it's about the inevitable war of the state and its shitminions vs. the concept of the general-purpose computer.
972658;1420948447;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform in one aspect. now make an ethical distinction / moral rule (really nfi why they keep derping about ethics, its all a moral consideration) that resolves that while preserving my slave's thigh.
972659;1420948480;*;asciilifeform is somewhat confused
972660;1420948483;asciilifeform;slave's thigh ?
972661;1420948499;mircea_popescu;yes. that if i write something on my slave's thigh, it's none of your damned business.
972662;1420948567;mircea_popescu;state the rms "ethical consideration" w/e it is. "nobody may forbid anyone's access to written strings" ?
972663;1420948591;asciilifeform;rms was speaking of the right to do as you will with things that are physically yours, without gestapo suddenly breaking down the door and demanding to see if you've multiplied unauthorized numbers
972664;1420948619;mircea_popescu;but this is a summary instead of the thing.
972665;1420948619;*;asciilifeform doesn't go in for the whole 'rights' paradigm and isn't terribly fond of proceeding in that framework
972666;1420948622;mircea_popescu;how's this rule sound ?
972667;1420948640;mircea_popescu;well he gotta have something. you can't start a "social movement" out of vague descriptions of desired outcomes
972668;1420948646;mircea_popescu;there must be some sort of code somewhere.
972669;1420948662;asciilifeform;rms might say, 'i'll leave you with your slave, you leave me with my computer'
972670;1420948670;mircea_popescu;what if it's my computer ?
972671;1420948671;asciilifeform;somethinglikethat
972672;1420948690;asciilifeform;yours?
972673;1420948694;asciilifeform;as in, lent to him ?
972674;1420948695;mircea_popescu;suppose i make computers, and decide to not sell them. what now ?
972675;1420948699;mircea_popescu;yes, as in lent to him.
972676;1420948720;asciilifeform;then presumably he made some oath in return ?
972677;1420948728;mircea_popescu;"but that's bad"
972678;1420948736;mircea_popescu;it really doesn't amount to much, if you examine it.
972679;1420948768;asciilifeform;to follow the analogy, rms was offered computer that came with 'strings' - promise not to xxx, etc. went off to make own.
972680;1420948793;mircea_popescu;your " without gestapo suddenly breaking down the door and demanding to see if you've multiplied unauthorized numbers" is exactly equivalent i suspect to what i call who are you again ? fuck off, I don't give a shit" sort of approach to third parties of any man owning a computer
972681;1420948798;mircea_popescu;but these aren't a moral philosophy.
972682;1420948817;mircea_popescu;pretending the contrary is fine, if one so prefers, but it's still mere pretense.
972683;1420948846;asciilifeform;i suspect that he spun the whole thing as 'moral philosophy' because if he had readily admitted that gpl was merely a successful hack against usg's 'laws', he would have been killed.
972684;1420948856;mircea_popescu;or so he feared, or so he cared.
972685;1420948859;asciilifeform;aha
972686;1420948869;mircea_popescu;anyway, for whatever reason, things still are what they are.
972687;1420948876;asciilifeform;whereas cultivating 'sainthood', lame as it is, appears to have worked - at least for preserving his skin.
972688;1420948894;mircea_popescu;not that i think fsf's bad or anything. merely observing that peanuts aren't aeroplanes does not imply a hatred of peanuts.
972689;1420948948;mircea_popescu;so let's go further in the fertile soil (hint hint) of female simile
972690;1420948961;asciilifeform;as mere aesthetic preference, i'd rather if folks were able to be honest with themselves and others re: their motivations. but i did not fight rms's war, cannot say 'he oughta have....'
972691;1420948964;mircea_popescu;if you get married, which is to say, BORROW a woman from her father, and swear an oath
972692;1420948973;mircea_popescu;may you have now anal sex ? provided you both agree to it ?
972693;1420948977;mircea_popescu;the traditional answer is no.
972694;1420948983;mircea_popescu;modernity soundly answered yes.
972695;1420948994;mircea_popescu;rms' ideas are a sort of "this is computing so elvis never happened".
972696;1420949023;asciilifeform;reminds of that mortmain thing
972697;1420949030;mircea_popescu;in a sense.
972698;1420949034;*;asciilifeform blew a good 3-4 hours reading about it
972699;1420949062;mircea_popescu;hehe not wasted time.
972700;1420949063;mircea_popescu;it
972701;1420949073;mircea_popescu;s perhaps the most informative avenue into the ACTUAL history of this sphere.
972702;1420949088;mircea_popescu;not re-narrated with a view to make contemporary institutions meaningful and appear sensible.
972703;1420949096;mircea_popescu;but actually, as it was, with a view to its own self coherence.
972704;1420949097;asciilifeform;in one sense, jurists have things easy re: mortmain; they at least have the option of going 'no more'
972705;1420949107;mircea_popescu;only recently.
972706;1420949109;asciilifeform;go and try reversing, e.g., design space shrinkage in engineering
972707;1420949116;mircea_popescu;as late as 1880 it was held that such option is not on the table
972708;1420949131;asciilifeform;aha because 'then may as well the breaking of the tablets, all bets off'
972709;1420949144;mircea_popescu;and ironically, it seems the old hands were right. it went to shit since then.
972710;1420949149;mircea_popescu;yep exactly.
972711;1420949158;mircea_popescu;"paper laws" are quite like paper money.
972712;1420949159;asciilifeform;sapper - errs once.
972713;1420949313;asciilifeform;re: rms: i vaguely recall that gpl was invented (conceptually) by his friend & associate, eben moglen
972714;1420949316;asciilifeform;a jurist
972715;1420949333;mircea_popescu;here's a question, btw : what's better, to be running the proverbial taxi in new york ? or to be in a later generation, playing exactly the role of pocahontas to various ngos, "look at this nigger injun, how like our own kids he is, and how pretty in that dress!" ?
972716;1420949341;asciilifeform;who wrote, iirc, 'yes, i despise law; yet i practice it; must a doctor love disease?'
972717;1420949351;mircea_popescu;lol i recall that.
972718;1420949415;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21005 @ 0.00066187 = 13.9026 BTC [-] {2} 
972719;1420949415;asciilifeform;pocahontas << is this the old russian prison quiz, 'fork in yer eye or once up yer arse ?'
972720;1420949506;mircea_popescu;no, it's simply looking at the life of one evgheny morozov. for you see stan, little zenja was a country boy that got himself mixed up in the high stakes game of anglo propaganda and intenrational diplomacy!
972721;1420949526;asciilifeform;rot13 answ: gur cnffvat nafjre vf, nyjnlf, gb gnxr gur sbex. bhtug gb xabj gung gurer ner ab sbexf va gur cevfba. naq rira vs gurer jrer, sne orggre gb ybfr lbhe rlr guna gb or ybjrerq vagb crqrenfgl.
972722;1420949602;mircea_popescu;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evgeny_Morozov
972723;1420949604;assbot;Evgeny Morozov - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ... ( http://bit.ly/1w8f6Ad )
972724;1420949641;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: i somehow lived life and avoided learning that the fellow who prints the (now mostly junk) books with the animal line drawings on the covers is a demented sv sc4mz0r; or that morozov existed at all
972725;1420949664;asciilifeform;although
972726;1420949670;asciilifeform;come to think of it, orlov may have mentioned him once
972727;1420949672;mircea_popescu;see how corrupting an influence assbot is ?
972728;1420949678;asciilifeform;identified as a u.s. state dept. muppet
972729;1420949741;mircea_popescu;what, they print army manuals too /
972730;1420949751;mircea_popescu;"an idiot's guide to cleanning your boots!"
972731;1420949764;asciilifeform;wat
972732;1420949772;mircea_popescu;i dunno, was asking.
972733;1420949782;mircea_popescu;/ = ?
972734;1420949791;asciilifeform;there are several, afaik independent, lines of 'for idiots' works
972735;1420949808;asciilifeform;i actually own a copy of, i shit thee not, 'webtv for dummies'
972736;1420949813;asciilifeform;as a result of losing a bet in school
972737;1420949861;mircea_popescu;o wow, webtv
972738;1420949872;mircea_popescu;that was a bitcoin fork at some point too!
972739;1420950234;mircea_popescu;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Digerati
972740;1420950236;assbot;Digerati - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ... ( http://bit.ly/1y24LwW )
972741;1420950236;mircea_popescu;ajhahahaha
972742;1420950242;mircea_popescu;check this out, the digested.
972743;1420950275;mircea_popescu;that's how he fucking confuses thiel and kelly. they're all digested, right ? same thing!
972744;1420950399;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform so i follow your link to gnu.org, top of the page ? a very wikipedia-ish request for donations.
972745;1420950413;mircea_popescu;sleeker than wikipedia's tho. the definitely web 1.0 look of gnu.org helps.
972746;1420950652;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: fsf begs for every coin, aye
972747;1420950656;asciilifeform;always has
972748;1420950686;mircea_popescu;obviously it will have to, it's a non profit. no issue with the substance. the form struck me tho.
972749;1420950726;mircea_popescu;is it that wikipedia has found the bewst way to do this ? or is it that once they did it everyone can follow in that wake ?
972750;1420950733;asciilifeform;'digerati', as i understand, encompasses a set of peculiarly wealthy ('dotcom boom', normally, but often barnacled to this or that mega-corp success of some vaguely computerized sort 1980-2000)
972751;1420950745;asciilifeform;who imagine themselves 'lead thinkers'
972752;1420950754;asciilifeform;best example i know of, of this animal, is one jaron lanier
972753;1420950764;asciilifeform;truly grotesque specimen
972754;1420950775;mircea_popescu;never heard of him.
972755;1420950790;asciilifeform;strictly zoological interest
972756;1420950812;asciilifeform;strike that, entomological.
972757;1420950856;mircea_popescu;some musician or something ?
972758;1420950896;asciilifeform;not famous for music. but happened to purchase a number of rare instruments, iirc, to pluck at while sitting on golden toilet
972759;1420951241;asciilifeform;lanier, in particular, isn't a muppet, and even had a number of public good points (wrote at length re: the degeneracy of pediwikia, etc) - but, while reading his material, i continuously found myself asking 'why does this man have money'
972760;1420951265;mircea_popescu;it's not a crime is it ?
972761;1420951285;asciilifeform;not the having-money, but being part of that set, in my mind, is an indelible tarnish
972762;1420951304;asciilifeform;the california degenerates.
972763;1420951315;mircea_popescu;would you fuck a nazi ?
972764;1420951339;asciilifeform;depends!
972765;1420951361;mircea_popescu;hehe.
972766;1420951381;*;asciilifeform has the utmost difficulty picturing a female nazi other than proverbial 'ilsa, she-wolf of auschwitz'
972767;1420951401;mircea_popescu;generally i think of the girl that poisoned her brood.
972768;1420951413;asciilifeform;mrs goebbels ?
972769;1420951419;mircea_popescu;kinda surprised there's not more art dedicated to her. i'm unaware of more remarkable women in the xxth century.
972770;1420951420;mircea_popescu;yes.
972771;1420951483;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: ever see film 'come and see' ('Иди и смотри') ?
972772;1420951492;mircea_popescu;nop
972773;1420951502;mircea_popescu;nice osunding name huh.
972774;1420951513;mircea_popescu;idi-i-smotri
972775;1420951577;mircea_popescu;"During WWII, a Belarusian boy is thrust into the atrocities of war, fighting with a hopelessly unequipped Soviet resistance movement against ruthless German forces. Witnessing scenes of abject terror and surviving horrifying situations, he loses his innocence and then his mind."
972776;1420951595;mircea_popescu;dude what do they have against bielorussians! it's always them getting fingers caught in doors.
972777;1420951601;asciilifeform;one memorable scene. germans waste a village, shown in glorious detail (complete with barns nailed shut, set alight, etc, etc). on their way out, get ambushed and mowed down. including their hot chick nurse, but she's not entirely dead. hero (boy) walks along and finds this. takes a look at the chick, who is bleeding and looking seductively at him. then he sees bandage pack on ground. decides to bandage broken stock of his rif
972778;1420951601;asciilifeform;le instead.
972779;1420951644;asciilifeform;(why he has rifle? no reason. just found it, while derping his way through the war, miraculously avoiding ending up sausage)
972780;1420951680;mircea_popescu;heh.
972781;1420952107;BingoBoingo;http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/worldviews/wp/2015/01/07/aggressive-nazi-bred-cows-caused-havoc-on-a-modern-farm/?Post+generic=%3Ftid%3Dsm_twitter_washingtonpost
972782;1420952108;assbot;The aggressive Nazi-bred cows that caused havoc on a modern farm - The Washington Post ... ( http://bit.ly/1KxvhSj )
972783;1420952277;mircea_popescu;someone should take a yearling dromedary to a skating rink
972784;1420952592;asciilifeform;http://bit.ly/1xQEdwr << for the lazy, the scene described earlier
972785;1420952594;assbot;Иди и смотри 2 серия - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1Kxw85c )
972786;1420952647;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22000 @ 0.00065213 = 14.3469 BTC [-]
972787;1420953648;ben_vulpes;hey mircea_popescu what's the going rate for a box of tampons in bsas? the "tampon shortage" is making the rounds on jezebe
972788;1420953651;ben_vulpes;jezebel*
972789;1420954015;cazalla;ben_vulpes: also hey qntra would you drop gravatar for the "here's my domain, please serve domain/avatar.png" icon model? <<< done
972790;1420954190;ben_vulpes;speedy delivery eh
972791;1420954341;ben_vulpes;https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/blob/master/src/serialize.h#L90, https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/blob/master/src/primitives/transaction.h#L259<< "HAI CAN I JAMZ THESE MEFFUDS IN HERE GUISE"
972792;1420954343;assbot;bitcoin/serialize.h at master · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1AD61nT )
972793;1420954345;assbot;bitcoin/transaction.h at master · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1AD603e )
972794;1420954444;ben_vulpes;iff
972795;1420954448;ben_vulpes;berp nm
972796;1420954678;asciilifeform;what is notable re: this particular bit of cpp cruft?
972797;1420954688;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes lol i dunno, 5 bux ?
972798;1420954707;mircea_popescu;hanbot hey, what's tampons cost ? inquiring male minds wish to know
972799;1420954732;ben_vulpes;mircea_popescu: yeah turns out some source mindlessly subbed "dollars" for "pesos"
972800;1420954735;asciilifeform;the unit cost of menstruettes is roughly same as cigarettes (afaik)
972801;1420954744;mircea_popescu;heh.
972802;1420954755;mircea_popescu;so what, ended up with 70 dollar tampons ?
972803;1420954756;ben_vulpes;in the game of retarded telephone that is the us link reposting scam masquerading as 'nooz'
972804;1420954761;artifexd;mircea_popescu: can you elaborate on "a pgp-signed document by the for key certifying the validity of the IPs public key with an expiration unixtimev in case the for field differs and a nickname"?
972805;1420954768;asciilifeform;70 dollar tampon << pure win
972806;1420954774;mircea_popescu;artifexd i can. what specifically ?
972807;1420954782;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10150 @ 0.00064082 = 6.5043 BTC [-] {2} 
972808;1420954798;artifexd;I don't understand what you mean
972809;1420954812;artifexd;All the words make sense but when you put them in that order...
972810;1420954815;asciilifeform;artifexd: may help to read a certain thread:
972811;1420954817;asciilifeform;!s ephemeral key
972812;1420954818;assbot;13 results for 'ephemeral key' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=ephemeral+key
972813;1420954832;ben_vulpes;asciilifeform: consider it an otherwise unremarkable arrowhead from the dig
972814;1420954860;mircea_popescu;let A connect to B. let A pass a message to B in the format "A for X, sup". B must find in the hello message through which A connected to it a document where X signs A's privkey,
972815;1420954865;ben_vulpes;me i'm just fascinated that the savages can bang such arms together with basalt and obsidian
972816;1420954865;asciilifeform;artifexd: generally, one ought not to connect one's wot private key to an automated, net-live apparatus. hence you sign another key with it, and use that.
972817;1420954869;mircea_popescu;that document must include a unixtime indicating expiry.
972818;1420954884;artifexd;What is the format of said document?
972819;1420954888;mircea_popescu;your problme.
972820;1420954929;asciilifeform;artifexd: the signature itself will almost certainly start life as a gpg output.
972821;1420954930;ben_vulpes;artifexd: formal grammar!
972822;1420954938;ben_vulpes;ignore me
972823;1420954948;mircea_popescu;formally or merely, ben_vulpes ?
972824;1420954963;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes is volunteering to write a backus-naur grammar ?
972825;1420954967;ben_vulpes;'twas an exhortation to make a bnf
972826;1420954970;artifexd;I am currently using pointers to exported key files instead of trying to shoehorn keys into config files.
972827;1420954972;mircea_popescu;baccus moar like it, amirite.
972828;1420954984;ben_vulpes;mircea_popescu knows my format :P
972829;1420954992;mircea_popescu;artifexd pointers, what kind ?
972830;1420954999;artifexd;filename
972831;1420955004;mircea_popescu;seems you're shoehorning the filesystem into it instead ?
972832;1420955018;ben_vulpes;asciilifeform: no sir my hands are full with cpp backports
972833;1420955270;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21150 @ 0.00063831 = 13.5003 BTC [-] {2} 
972834;1420955296;mircea_popescu;o look, somebody ddosed qntra earlier ?
972835;1420955327;BingoBoingo;How'd they do it this time?
972836;1420955351;mats;fun fact: the python stdlib had an enigma implementation til 2.4
972837;1420955372;asciilifeform;l0l!
972838;1420955407;asciilifeform;goes great with 'telefunken' modem and other artifacts from alternate nazi universe
972839;1420955417;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo i dunno, but it's a bw depletion rather than the prev ram/cpu/state depletion. doesn't seem to have done anything.
972840;1420955498;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform ynot van W inciudentally ?
972841;1420955500;BingoBoingo;Maybe just a compulsive reloader? Perhaps some derp was serving one of our pages in their iframe?
972842;1420955540;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo unlikely, it peaked around 2gpbs or so
972843;1420955546;BingoBoingo;Ah
972844;1420955586;asciilifeform;van w ?
972845;1420955608;mircea_popescu;whatever algol did. waasomething.
972846;1420955622;mircea_popescu;van Wijngaarden, google informs us.
972847;1420955642;asciilifeform;nah everybody knows nazi internet runs on konrad zuse's gizmo.
972848;1420955668;mircea_popescu;i always liked the "fuck you, they're strings, and concatenation is the only operation" approach.
972849;1420955671;mircea_popescu;so did knuth iirc.
972850;1420955684;asciilifeform;see also SNOBOL.
972851;1420955719;asciilifeform;(which i will always imagine as a 'snob cobol' no matter how many times told that 'snowball')
972852;1420955751;artifexd;mircea_popescu: A << in the logs caused http://trilema.com/2015/artifexd-a-better-ircd-rfc/#comment-111384 to get half eaten, so I reposted it without that line. Hence the double post.
972853;1420955751;assbot;[Artifexd] A better ircd [RFC] pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.  ... ( http://bit.ly/1AD9IKd )
972854;1420955752;mircea_popescu;well... it
972855;1420955759;mircea_popescu;'s pearlier than perl...
972856;1420955778;mircea_popescu;artifexd waitwut?
972857;1420955819;mircea_popescu;ends in "mircea_popescu: sure". that seems right neh ?
972858;1420955840;artifexd;meh
972859;1420955847;mircea_popescu;oh nm i see what you mean
972860;1420955916;artifexd;Tip to future copy/pasters:  Don't include << in the text or everything after it will get routed to /dev/null
972861;1420955945;mircea_popescu;yeah html hates < separators. but for some reason they seem the best way to convey the intent here
972862;1420955962;mircea_popescu;this , incidentally, is why computer standards are such a royal bitch.
972863;1420955974;mircea_popescu;"don't use <" "why not!" "fuck you!" "NO U!"
972864;1420956040;asciilifeform;in-band signalling is inevitably lame.
972865;1420956050;asciilifeform;recall jurov's turdatron.
972866;1420956061;mircea_popescu;and multi band maintenance is inevitably a hassle.
972867;1420956087;asciilifeform;not necessarily. a binary signed with pgp is example of out-of-band.
972868;1420956100;mircea_popescu;and not a hassle ?
972869;1420956110;mircea_popescu;"not for me" "fuck you!" "NO U!"
972870;1420956174;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-10-2014#901052 http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-10-2014#901055
972871;1420956174;assbot;Logged on 29-10-2014 01:36:19; asciilifeform: because plain ascii is like naked people
972872;1420956174;assbot;Logged on 29-10-2014 01:36:30; asciilifeform: everything feels free to manipulate the hanging bits
972873;1420956191;mircea_popescu;;;google nudism is the natural state
972874;1420956192;gribble;Naturism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Naturism>; Natural state Synonyms, Natural state Antonyms | Thesaurus.com: <http://www.thesaurus.com/browse/natural+state>; Nudity - RationalWiki: <http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Nudity>
972875;1420956212;mircea_popescu;o shit, rationalwiki is on it ?!
972876;1420956236;mircea_popescu;hide the clitoral hoods, abscond the mounds, science is on the field!
972877;1420956302;asciilifeform;the yudkowsky cult is like 'borg' from 'star trek', digest and regurgitate everything. eventually they will annotate #b-a and claim that all of the interesting ideas belong to selves
972878;1420956329;asciilifeform;no one will notice except for thiel, who will sign another cheque
972879;1420956366;asciilifeform;which mr. y will spend on six concubines fresh in their crates.
972880;1420956378;mircea_popescu;by the way : pretty much every kitchen shop here has, along the pots and pans, kitchen aprons.
972881;1420956389;mircea_popescu;and inevitably one must represent a naked hot woman.
972882;1420956405;mircea_popescu;they';re so common i'm persuaded a good fraction of local women actually go about the house in those things.
972883;1420956442;asciilifeform;'talmudic' cheat, naked without naked
972884;1420956460;mircea_popescu;http://blogs.browardpalmbeach.com/pulp/fake%20nudists.jpg << check it out, the little girl has a vulva even!
972885;1420956461;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1ADbtqO )
972886;1420956479;asciilifeform;l0l!
972887;1420956533;artifexd;One more question: Any objection to adding a timestamp to the trust ratings in gossipd?
972888;1420956555;mircea_popescu;See also "Cunt  Fatwa Hypnotic breast enlargement"
972889;1420956569;mircea_popescu;dude... this rational wiki thing is comedic!
972890;1420956588;BingoBoingo;http://www.washingtonian.com/blogs/bestbites/in-the-magazine/was-washingtonian-unethical-to-demote-the-inn-at-little-washington.php
972891;1420956589;assbot;Chef Patrick O'Connell Questions Washingtonian's Ethics for Demoting the Inn at Little Washington | In the Magazine | Washingtonian ... ( http://bit.ly/1ADbL10 )
972892;1420956768;mircea_popescu;�All of us at The Inn at Little Washington have much to be grateful for as we enter the new year. The Inn remains the longest-tenured Forbes Five Star and AAA Five Diamond restaurant in America. We possess the highest Zagat rating (29, 29, 29) in the world. Once again, The Inn has received The Washington Post�s highest 4-star rating from restaurant reviewer Tom Sietsema. Most of us understand that, in today�s wor
972893;1420956768;mircea_popescu;ld, as print media struggles for survival, creating controversy sells magazines whether it�s ethical or not.�
972894;1420956769;mircea_popescu;aahaha
972895;1420956774;mircea_popescu;"we're bigger than you, stfu"
972896;1420956795;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34300 @ 0.00062973 = 21.5997 BTC [-] {4} 
972897;1420956837;asciilifeform;what was the matter, somebody spread rumour that their shitter wasn't chemically-pure gold but engineering-grade ?
972898;1420956867;mircea_popescu;i dunno, something about oversalted leberwurst.
972899;1420956964;asciilifeform;highest 4-star rating from restaurant reviewer << are there whorehouse reviewers? if not, why not ?
972900;1420956973;mircea_popescu;there are, yes.
972901;1420957119;BingoBoingo;<mircea_popescu> i dunno, something about oversalted leberwurst. << Also the shift from a menu one can get full eating to some sort of "trendy" tasting menu based on appetizers.
972902;1420957135;mircea_popescu;yeah you're probably right.
972903;1420957138;BingoBoingo;Reviewer wants to get full on their per diem
972904;1420957150;mircea_popescu;anyone saw "le grand restaurant" ? de funes, he orders... a radish.
972905;1420957151;BingoBoingo;Restaurant wants to milk every seat for max profit.
972906;1420957230;*;asciilifeform vaguely recalls an article, last year, re: a u.s. restaurant for moneyed fools that served lion, tiger, etc. - which went under supposedly on account of a review site claiming it was open on weekends when in fact not
972907;1420957307;mircea_popescu;who'dwant to eat cat ?!
972908;1420957347;asciilifeform;a) chinese b) idiots c) who even knows what species they actually cooked
972909;1420957407;mircea_popescu;incidentally, anyone saw i vitelloni ?
972910;1420957422;mircea_popescu;great fellini film, esp for closing scene.
972911;1420957429;*;asciilifeform has wondered why carnivorous sea life is perfectly edible, while land animals, not so much
972912;1420957489;mircea_popescu;what's your definition of carnivorous sea life /
972913;1420957501;asciilifeform;fish eating fish
972914;1420957503;asciilifeform;etc
972915;1420957505;mircea_popescu;afaik no sea creature eats venison
972916;1420957507;mircea_popescu;well...
972917;1420957509;asciilifeform;lol
972918;1420957538;asciilifeform;the standard hypothesis for 'why carnivores aren't good for the table' is bioaccumulation
972919;1420957546;mircea_popescu;of plant poison
972920;1420957548;asciilifeform;which is just as much of a fact in the sea as on land
972921;1420957554;mircea_popescu;(really, all plants are pretty much poison standing)
972922;1420957557;asciilifeform;aha
972923;1420957562;mircea_popescu;no, it's not, because not same poisons.,
972924;1420957586;asciilifeform;sea plant life less poisonous? that would do it
972925;1420957595;mircea_popescu;not less. more, but differently.
972926;1420957625;*;asciilifeform recalls pathologically extreme case of this, 'shellfish toxin'
972927;1420957636;mircea_popescu;bioaccumulation (heavy metals, etc) is much more a concern for fish eating than otherwise.
972928;1420957642;mircea_popescu;however, the meat doesn't TASTE bad.
972929;1420957659;mircea_popescu;taste being, of course, an evolutionary mechanism.
972930;1420957674;asciilifeform;lead, famously, supposedly tastes great.
972931;1420957833;mircea_popescu;http://www.ab.ust.hk/hseo/tips/ch/ch005.htm
972932;1420957836;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1ADeMON )
972933;1420957838;mircea_popescu;HF is sickly sweet too.
972934;1420957918;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=22-08-2014#804607
972935;1420957918;assbot;Logged on 22-08-2014 02:36:18; asciilifeform: 'The smell of diborane is known to a few experimenters, but they cannot tell us what it is.'
972936;1420957930;mircea_popescu;lol
972937;1420958027;mircea_popescu;it's not THAT bad is it ?
972938;1420958167;asciilifeform;pediwik claims 'sickly sweet smell'
972939;1420958179;asciilifeform;wonder if 'sweet' is the default for own-meat-dissolving taste.
972940;1420958318;mircea_popescu;hm, it is often reported... seems poisons are either bitter or sweet. rarely you hear "salty"
972941;1420958402;asciilifeform;'best' poison - colourless, tasteless
972942;1420958484;asciilifeform;(has anyone, incidentally, described the taste of Po-84 ?)
972943;1420958493;BingoBoingo;sweet is probably common in poisons because of the large class of poisons that are almost biologically useful...
972944;1420958620;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo might also be because of particular interference with gustative nerve arrangmenets - many are neurotoxins
972945;1420958647;BingoBoingo;Of course, and many of those are almost sugars.
972946;1420958763;mircea_popescu;yeah.
972947;1420958774;mircea_popescu;diboron's almost ethanol huh :D
972948;1420958951;BingoBoingo;Yeah. Also there any number of poisonous alcohols more similar to various sugars than ethanol.
972949;1420958984;mats;http://user.informatik.uni-goettingen.de/~fyamagu/pdfs/2014-oakland.pdf
972950;1420958985;assbot;404 Not Found ... ( http://bit.ly/1ADhy6M )
972951;1420959405;mircea_popescu;"MP is such a pompous prick. I hope he chokes on his pansy lemonade flavored pop sickle stick."
972952;1420959406;mircea_popescu;bwahaha
972953;1420959429;mircea_popescu;isn't it fascinating how deeply i bothar these ppls ?
972954;1420959899;gabriel_laddel;I've shown several people in Silly Con valley the rabits article.  Fear flashes through their eyes and they hand the laptop back without reading it all the way through.
972955;1420959954;gabriel_laddel;I think, all of the sudden they understand on some level that this era of prosperous morons is coming to a close.
972956;1420960047;mircea_popescu;lol interesting.
972957;1420960073;mircea_popescu;i guess at some point it'll come to pass that someone makes a tumblr, TFWT.
972958;1420960077;mircea_popescu;Their Face When Trilema
972959;1420960104;mircea_popescu;same principle, give laptop over but wiht camera on.
972960;1420960126;gabriel_laddel;lol. twould be more entertaining than all of the bezzle 'media' output circa 2014
972961;1420960138;mircea_popescu;i guess it'd depend for whom
972962;1420960143;mircea_popescu;but i suspect it'd amuse me
972963;1420962165;undata;hehehe TFWT
972964;1420962187;undata;due to the random article upon loading the homepage I am careful where I pull up trilema
972965;1420962191;undata;could be tits
972966;1420962342;BingoBoingo;Or Buttcoin, or fried chicken
972967;1420962452;mircea_popescu;gabriel_laddel wait, wasn't the rabbit article in romanian ? what're they to read ?!
972968;1420962619;gabriel_laddel;mircea_popescu: this is how I know they've not read it. I tell them it is Romanian and pull up google translate in another tab, show them the keybinding to switch tabs.
972969;1420962637;gabriel_laddel;E.G., one fellow sees pictures - hands back.
972970;1420962725;gabriel_laddel;some of the luzly ones read... re-read... re-read and eventually ask "Does he hate women or...?" (Not rabbits article)
972971;1420962773;gabriel_laddel;people fucking flip over slaves licking up their own vomit.
972972;1420962887;BingoBoingo;How else did Rome handle the vomit problem?
972973;1420962950;gabriel_laddel;Har, remembering: Girl tells me she wants to crowdfund art. I link to trilema.com/what-is-art? She never responds.
972974;1420963020;gabriel_laddel;Etherum guy tells me that he wants a "Holarchy" instead of an explicit hierarchy cause trilema articles are scary.
972975;1420963086;gabriel_laddel;Me kicked out of place I'm staying - being called "the next hitler"
972976;1420963399;gabriel_laddel;Me: "so what do you think of MPEX"? He: "What they do is illegal!! You can't take money from investors in the united states without explicit approval of USG!"
972977;1420963410;gabriel_laddel;"but bitcoin isn't money yet?"
972978;1420963417;gabriel_laddel;etc.
972979;1420963445;BingoBoingo;Money isn't Bitcoin Yet
972980;1420963824;mircea_popescu;lol
972981;1420963845;*;mircea_popescu is starting to understand why people pay for credit
972982;1420963847;mircea_popescu;s
972983;1420963916;mircea_popescu;btw, the vomit thing actually happened. girl had to eat catfood, out of bowl, no hands. long hair, one hair ended up in there, she had to eat it, it made her puke, she had to eat that, which she did. one strange half hour.
972984;1420963977;BingoBoingo;I honestly don't know what can scare Obama more than that.
972985;1420964013;mircea_popescu;why obama specfically ?
972986;1420964041;mircea_popescu;and what's holarchy lol
972987;1420964044;BingoBoingo;That dedication to task which he can't get from his acolytpes
972988;1420964086;mircea_popescu;ah. there's a fine reason to prefer women. if well trained... hard to match.
972989;1420965428;gabriel_laddel;does anyone have recommendations for books on Russia's "roaring nineties"?
972990;1420965639;BingoBoingo;http://pipeline.corante.com/archives/2015/01/08/teixobactin_a_new_antibiotic_from_a_new_platform.php
972991;1420965641;assbot;Teixobactin: A New Antibiotic From a New Platform?. In the Pipeline:  ... ( http://bit.ly/1w8q093 )
972992;1420965891;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo wow.
972993;1420965929;BingoBoingo;Who woulda thunk there's be worthwhile shit in stuff that doesn't culture as cheaply as possible?
972994;1420966012;mircea_popescu;as the guy aptly points out, it's never been a better time to be a biochemist.
972995;1420966042;mircea_popescu;i am telling you, wetware before any hard physics breakthrough.
972996;1420966166;BingoBoingo;I mean the past century has mostly been about refining tools while methods for using tools atrophied. A lot of potential in just... pointing those tools somethere else in an informed way instead of doing the microscope hammer thing.
972997;1420966208;mircea_popescu;mhm
972998;1420966340;mircea_popescu;As an aside, if you're outside the field, you might wonder why it's worth working so hard to find natural products when we have so many synthetic organic chemists in the world cranking out new compounds. One big reason is the ridiculous, insane hugeness of chemical space: the number of possible compounds at or under the molecular weight of teixobactin defies description, and I mean that in a completely literal sense. T
972999;1420966341;mircea_popescu;here are not enough resources on Earth, or in our entire solar system, to do enough organic synthesis to make any noticeable dent in that array. The idea of having compounds that bind to things like Lipid II is a good one, but they're going to have to be large compounds, and exploring that space is daunting.
973000;1420966343;mircea_popescu;heh.
973001;1420966418;BingoBoingo;It's basically like good number space for Keys.
973002;1420966463;BingoBoingo;And why the distributed protein folding stuff is mostly a noisemaking lottery machine.
973003;1420966472;mircea_popescu;looks like what, 1.2k - 1.3k molar mass ?
973004;1420966522;BingoBoingo;1242
973005;1420966523;mircea_popescu;say about 1k carbons, each with 4 valences.
973006;1420966527;mircea_popescu;wait srsly ?!
973007;1420966537;mircea_popescu;ahahahaha! god i win so much.
973008;1420966593;BingoBoingo;Yeah. Lighter than Vancomycin's 1449 as a further illustration of the sheer size of the space.
973009;1420966610;mircea_popescu;;;calc 4 ** 1000
973010;1420966610;gribble;Error: The answer exceeded 1.79769313486e+308 or so.
973011;1420966615;mircea_popescu;not bad.
973012;1420966684;mircea_popescu;very quick and dirty "all carbons" evaluation, but still, as a general hint
973013;1420966759;BingoBoingo;Right. Teixobactin prolly isn't going to get used much orally aside from GI tract stuff like c Diff... If it targets c Diff at all.
973014;1420967053;mircea_popescu;i think the main point is, you won't be able to take a shit in the forest without hitting one of these chips soon enough
973015;1420967058;thestringpuller;holy shit comatose is me
973016;1420967069;BingoBoingo;Yeah
973017;1420967103;BingoBoingo;Also hard to say when those chips are comming to toilets.
973018;1420967129;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo apparently c diff is particularly vuln
973019;1420967143;BingoBoingo;Ah, didn't see that part.
973020;1420967147;mircea_popescu;b anthracis also.
973021;1420967164;mircea_popescu;check it out, anti-antrhax gel!
973022;1420967195;BingoBoingo;Hopefully it holds together well in DMSO
973023;1420967240;mircea_popescu;also tb and yes, mrsa.
973024;1420967251;mircea_popescu;and pneumonia. they found gold, what.
973025;1420967355;BingoBoingo;Pretty much just hooked one of those asteroids full of gold and smashed kansas with it.
973026;1420967459;BingoBoingo;And yet farmed morel mushrooms are a pipe dream
973027;1420967585;ben_vulpes;does anyone know what precisely the "private key" dumped by bitcoin is? is that the secret that can be used with EC_KEY_regenerate_key to regenerate a key?
973028;1420967593;mircea_popescu;apparently very quick clearance tho
973029;1420967664;thestringpuller;It's 0 C outside right now, but 28 c in b-a
973030;1420967669;thestringpuller;i kinda hate you right now MP
973031;1420967700;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes for lulz : https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/650
973032;1420967701;assbot;CKey::SetSecret BIGNUM leak · Issue #650 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1wKf8zf )
973033;1420967726;mircea_popescu;thestringpuller i tell you, air conditioning blowing on one's ballsac post coitally is one of those refined pleasures of civilisation
973034;1420967729;mircea_popescu;like hot baths.
973035;1420967735;ben_vulpes;saw it, was too tired to even muster a chuckle
973036;1420967772;mircea_popescu;but otherwise yes, it should be the priv key.
973037;1420967780;mircea_popescu;you work it to get the pubkey and then the address.
973038;1420967921;mircea_popescu;https://bitcointa.lk/threads/ecdsa-in-python.24166/ also instructive, fro mthe days before btctalk became tardstalk.
973039;1420967922;assbot;ECDSA in python | Bitcointa.lk ... ( http://bit.ly/1wKfB4G )
973040;1420967933;ben_vulpes;is there a distinction between "the priv key" vs the "secret" used to regenerate a key?
973041;1420967999;punkman;ben_vulpes: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/blob/v0.5.3/src/key.h#L160
973042;1420968001;assbot;bitcoin/key.h at v0.5.3 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1wKfMwO )
973043;1420968028;mircea_popescu;he has it
973044;1420968082;ben_vulpes;https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/blob/v0.5.3/src/key.h#L214 << thanks, punkman
973045;1420968083;assbot;bitcoin/key.h at v0.5.3 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1wKg1b7 )
973046;1420968122;ben_vulpes;*sigh*
973047;1420968144;ben_vulpes;how did i not see this until now
973048;1420968197;punkman;this c++ is hard to read
973049;1420968308;punkman;anyone looked into that cbitcoin thing? http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-02-2014#497342
973050;1420968308;assbot;Logged on 12-02-2014 01:35:50; jurov: prolly i confused it with this: https://github.com/MatthewLM/cbitcoin/
973051;1420968328;thestringpuller;punkman: that's Boost C++ for you. Dunno why Satoshi used it...
973052;1420968349;punkman;oh even has a website http://cbitcoin.com/
973053;1420968351;assbot;An Open-Source Bitcoin Library in C ... ( http://bit.ly/1wKgIBc )
973054;1420968391;thestringpuller;it is much easier to read
973055;1420968587;mircea_popescu;punkman ancient bitcoin-in-c thing i thought was abandoned cca 2012 ?
973056;1420968593;BingoBoingo;http://www.gomerblog.com/2015/01/ativan/
973057;1420968594;assbot;The Pen Is Mightier Than the Sword, But This Ativan Tho | GomerBlog ... ( http://bit.ly/1AKbJH6 )
973058;1420968625;punkman;mircea_popescu: seems recently updated
973059;1420968630;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27900 @ 0.00061546 = 17.1713 BTC [-] {5} 
973060;1420968667;mircea_popescu;from what i recasll the guy was strugling with memory leaks and other such joyspots.
973061;1420968677;mircea_popescu;wasn't at any point ready, looking for help.
973062;1420968682;ben_vulpes;!up Vexual
973063;1420968764;ben_vulpes;http://vimeo.com/114761496 << repost?
973064;1420968765;assbot;The Cool Kids love Erlang - Gustav Simonsson, Henning Diedrich - Berlin Erlang Factory Lite on Vimeo ... ( http://bit.ly/1wKhG0x )
973065;1420968778;Vexual;really?
973066;1420968785;Vexual;who?\
973067;1420968821;ben_vulpes;couldn't be, it's only three weeks old
973068;1420968824;ben_vulpes;and Vexual found it
973069;1420969604;BingoBoingo;http://marc.info/?l=openbsd-announce&m=142073477418451&w=2
973070;1420969606;assbot;'OpenNTPD 5.7p1 Released' - MARC ... ( http://bit.ly/1AKf5d6 )
973071;1420969644;Vexual;yeah boii
973072;1420969669;Vexual;also on oil...
973073;1420969704;Vexual;ssay you're an opec produced making bank
973074;1420969757;BingoBoingo;This Cook fellow finding OpenBSD is one of the best things to happen to linux in a decade.
973075;1420970105;Vexual;your secondary business is the world economy, and theres no exceptions
973076;1420970188;Vexual;sure as shit cheap oil aint about making exactly 11 texases fit into australia, so whats left over?
973077;1420970707;BingoBoingo;!up Vexual
973078;1420970847;Vexual;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4tnbcuzQB30 >prolly a repost
973079;1420970948;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11807 @ 0.00060584 = 7.1532 BTC [-] {2} 
973080;1420971327;cazalla;https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=919414.msg10104284#msg10104284 180 coins.. gone, kept his blockchain.info passwords etc in gmail by looks of it
973081;1420971328;assbot;180 Coins Stolen From my wallet 1GpUcrJ1Zo6ZJWgw7HQT7nADijY5a3dcCh ... ( http://bit.ly/1IcoD1C )
973082;1420971351;Vexual;same old shit caz
973083;1420971402;Vexual;he prolly used his email password on the latest scam fucker website
973084;1420971412;cazalla;yeah but think of all the machines they trojan only to find like 0.1 btc
973085;1420971416;cazalla;what a pay day for this guy
973086;1420971509;Vexual;as rime goes by, stealing bitcoin will feel like a really bad idea
973087;1420971680;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23850 @ 0.00061247 = 14.6074 BTC [+]
973088;1420971889;Vexual;you really dont know what judiciary you might be dealing with
973089;1420971924;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8856 @ 0.00061247 = 5.424 BTC [+]
973090;1420972473;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9300 @ 0.00059909 = 5.5715 BTC [-] {3} 
973091;1420973815;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19493 @ 0.00063577 = 12.3931 BTC [+] {2} 
973092;1420974608;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12207 @ 0.0006423 = 7.8406 BTC [+]
973093;1420975157;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8856 @ 0.00064668 = 5.727 BTC [+]
973094;1420978636;mats;http://travisgoodspeed.blogspot.com/2013/07/hillbilly-tracking-of-low-earth-orbit.html
973095;1420978638;assbot;Travis Goodspeed's Blog: Hillbilly Tracking of Low Earth Orbit Satellites ... ( http://bit.ly/14jvV4o )
973096;1420980466;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14100 @ 0.0006509 = 9.1777 BTC [+]
973097;1420981257;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15337 @ 0.00064668 = 9.9181 BTC [-]
973098;1420981380;mats;http://youtu.be/rz0SNEFZ8h0
973099;1420981382;assbot;DEF CON 22 - Shahar Tal - I Hunt TR-069 Admins: Pwning ISPs Like a Boss - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1AKVKsg )
973100;1420982233;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9900 @ 0.00062671 = 6.2044 BTC [-]
973101;1420983331;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9800 @ 0.00061925 = 6.0687 BTC [-]
973102;1420985283;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19596 @ 0.00062162 = 12.1813 BTC [+] {2} 
973103;1420985331;fluffypony;lol
973104;1420985334;fluffypony;http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/2s1ye7/andreas_antonopoulos_is_shoadowbanned/
973105;1420985336;assbot;Andreas Antonopoulos is shoadow-banned! : Bitcoin ... ( http://bit.ly/14J9GFx )
973106;1420985470;BigBitz;He's an idiot.
973107;1420985527;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5787 @ 0.0006127 = 3.5457 BTC [-]
973108;1420986259;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 2528 @ 0.0008899 = 2.2497 BTC [+]
973109;1420986751;midnightmagic;what is a shadowban?
973110;1420987024;assbot;Anduck +v failed; L1: 0, L2: 0
973111;1420987826;mats;comments are visible to just the poster
973112;1420988577;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24000 @ 0.00060485 = 14.5164 BTC [-] {4} 
973113;1420988943;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25683 @ 0.00064222 = 16.4941 BTC [+]
973114;1420990885;decimation;http://www.the-scientist.com/?articles.view/articleNo/41850/title/New-Antibiotic-from-Soil-Bacteria/ << re: Teixobactin
973115;1420990887;assbot;New Antibiotic from Soil Bacteria | The Scientist Magazine® ... ( http://bit.ly/1B4sUly )
973116;1420991128;decimation;“The bacteriology community needs to get away from culturing bacteria on agar plates, because this will not lead to new antibiotics.”
973117;1420991191;decimation;it seems to me biology has regressed while becoming infatuated with computing
973118;1420991211;kakobrekla;http://www.coindesk.com/analysis-bitstamp-hacker-stolen-additional-1-75-million/
973119;1420991213;assbot;Analysis: Bitstamp Hacker Almost Stole Additional $1.75 Million ... ( http://bit.ly/14kfGEa )
973120;1420991213;kakobrekla;lol
973121;1420991215;kakobrekla;i missed that
973122;1420991413;decimation;asciilifeform: re: jaron lanier << his "open source is stealing the future" idea seems rather silly
973123;1420991566;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3129 @ 0.00064967 = 2.0328 BTC [+]
973124;1420991889;BigBitz;did Bitstamp confirm the attack vector?
973125;1420992542;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17200 @ 0.00064967 = 11.1743 BTC [+]
973126;1420993030;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6717 @ 0.00063549 = 4.2686 BTC [-] {2} 
973127;1420994529;punkman;https://github.com/romanz/amodem
973128;1420994530;assbot;romanz/amodem · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/17x6dvu )
973129;1420994677;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34850 @ 0.00060123 = 20.9529 BTC [-] {2} 
973130;1420994982;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16020 @ 0.00061732 = 9.8895 BTC [+]
973131;1420995594;mircea_popescu;cazalla that thread's a fine example of why bitcoin "needs to be more accessible". so that more people who have no business running a computer can tell their friends about how bad bitcoin is.
973132;1420995628;mircea_popescu;"Imagine if we poured 1.7 trillion dollars a year into ending aging instead of satiating Tea Party fucks need to bomb brown people?" and stuff.
973133;1420995633;mircea_popescu;pretty good.
973134;1420995803;mircea_popescu;http://travisgoodspeed.blogspot.com.ar/2013/07/hillbilly-tracking-of-low-earth-orbit.html << ha cool shit!
973135;1420995804;assbot;Travis Goodspeed's Blog: Hillbilly Tracking of Low Earth Orbit Satellites ... ( http://bit.ly/17x9aMz )
973136;1420995927;decimation;that amodem project is interesting
973137;1420995967;punkman;decimation, there's also an electrum plugin for it
973138;1420995980;decimation;in theory it could be used on shortwave, if you had the hardware for it
973139;1420996002;decimation;32 kHz seems excessively wide though
973140;1420996086;punkman;probably need to go lower if not using cable
973141;1420996149;mircea_popescu;midnightmagic: what is a shadowban? << graham came up with this brilliant "let's ban users but not tell them" on the theory that users are idiots and won't notice anyway.
973142;1420996162;mircea_popescu;unsurprisingly, this never worked before reddit, but it works splendidly there.
973143;1420996180;punkman;decimation: see also https://github.com/kamalmostafa/minimodem/
973144;1420996181;assbot;kamalmostafa/minimodem · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/17x9Zou )
973145;1420996196;mircea_popescu;probably has to do with how, to quote altman, "It�s interesting to note that during my very brief tenure, reddit added more users than Hacker News has in total."
973146;1420996351;fluffypony;it's so that the spammers don't realise they're banned
973147;1420996410;mircea_popescu;because nobody has a watcher ip ?
973148;1420996430;decimation;minimodem is a much more robust waveform, but would transfer more slowly
973149;1420996440;decimation;it ought to work over crap audio channels though
973150;1420996553;mircea_popescu;decimation i don't like it, because : as a way to transfer data between the two computers where there's a cable, it's stupid. even serial protocol is better, but we have tcp etc. as an airgapped solution is stupid, because sound.
973151;1420996559;mircea_popescu;the correct airgap solution is optics.
973152;1420996586;mircea_popescu;anyway, i imagine it's just some "play around with computor" thing, not seriously proposed as a solution to anything
973153;1420996594;decimation;agreed.
973154;1420996609;decimation;although I would point out that you could use this without cables, but through an air interface
973155;1420996614;kakobrekla;qr guns are too limited.
973156;1420996620;mircea_popescu;sound is too easy to overhear.
973157;1420996634;*;kakobrekla not for sound.
973158;1420996641;mircea_popescu;qr guns easier to shield ; you can use an optoelement w/e it's called, if you wish.
973159;1420996641;decimation;the 'adult' solution is a one-way fiber link
973160;1420996687;mircea_popescu;hack them out of optic mice or w/e.
973161;1420996801;mircea_popescu;unrelatedly, /me is still reeling over a shocking ad hoc test where he discovered that a widespread inability to distinguish internet and web does not apparent;y prevent young'uns from commenting on...
973162;1420996829;mircea_popescu;well it's not clear what, "either" is improper. "commenting on nothing while misrepresenting themselves as talking about one or the other."
973163;1420996851;*;kakobrekla has a serial cable with a buffer with visual confirmation of the data and it does not need to be plugged to both computers at same time
973164;1420996869;decimation;mircea_popescu: what was your 'ad hoc test'?
973165;1420996876;mircea_popescu;i call it the moruzov discovery. check it out yourself, see what % of authors using both terms in the same text display an awareness of their meaning.
973166;1420996883;mircea_popescu;decimation asked a buncha "hackers"
973167;1420996892;mircea_popescu;pop quiz lol.
973168;1420996940;decimation;are we chatting on the web now?
973169;1420996957;mircea_popescu;such q's, right.
973170;1420997052;decimation;kakobrekla: yeah, serial works too, and one can clip out the return path if desired
973171;1420997067;decimation;plus lots of cheap gear exists to inspect serial connections
973172;1420997072;mircea_popescu;"would the web go away if there were no links between websites ?" "no because they'd still be on the internet" prolly the best one.
973173;1420997121;mircea_popescu;words are apparently brands, which is to say names. they don't need to mean anything anymore than popescu needs to mean something. (which it does, but who cares)
973174;1420997175;kakobrekla;decimation i have put a mcu + lcd screen + sd card mid cable. and some buttons. probably doesnt need an explanation.
973175;1420997203;mircea_popescu;kakobrekla but if you could be bothered to make a blogpost like the guy's with the dish...
973176;1420997234;kakobrekla;yeah too bad i dont have a blog.
973177;1420997246;decimation;there's a guy who is much more advanced in messing around with satellites: http://usa-satcom.com/
973178;1420997250;assbot;USA-Satcom | Monitoring worldwide communications on HF through Microwaves… ... ( http://bit.ly/17xcN5g )
973179;1420997267;decimation;he wrote his own software to decode Imarsat streams
973180;1420997267;mircea_popescu;yeah.
973181;1420997275;mircea_popescu;is that legal ?
973182;1420997331;decimation;more or less.  in the us, it is generally safe to listen to anything that isn't encrypted
973183;1420997345;decimation;even if you decrypt it, it might not be illegal as long as you don't disclose it
973184;1420997401;mircea_popescu;i recall that's how it was for a while
973185;1420997405;mircea_popescu;imagined it prolly changed.
973186;1420997445;mircea_popescu;(used to be it was legal even if encrypted, if you disclose to the media)
973187;1420997501;decimation;http://www.fcc.gov/guides/interception-and-divulgence-radio-communications << usg provides a useful 'help' page
973188;1420997503;assbot;Interception and Divulgence of Radio Communications | FCC.gov ... ( http://bit.ly/17xdgnK )
973189;1420997658;mircea_popescu;decimation so i can't find a stealing the future reference re one jaron lanier. any link or anything ?
973190;1420997719;decimation;yeah I think it was from a podcast.  let me dig
973191;1420997800;decimation;http://spectrum.ieee.org/podcast/computing/networks/jaron-lanier-were-being-enslaved-by-free-information
973192;1420997801;assbot;Jaron Lanier: We’re Being Enslaved by Free Information - IEEE Spectrum ... ( http://bit.ly/17xdQlC )
973193;1420997801;mircea_popescu;lol divulgence, like indulgence. regular english flexion! who knew!
973194;1420997807;mircea_popescu;aty
973195;1420997888;mircea_popescu;"Jaron Lanier is one of the world�s great polymaths. He�s a computer scientist, composer, visual artist, and the author of a new book, Who Owns the Future?, published last month "
973196;1420997895;mircea_popescu;perhaps they dunno what polymath means ?
973197;1420998111;mircea_popescu;decimation ok this discussion is too retarded to read, i threw up a bunch of warnings but a critical error at "So in terms of networks, what happens is, if you have people all competing for their place to be sorted by a single central hub, then you get a power law."
973198;1420998124;decimation;lol yeah
973199;1420998128;mircea_popescu;this is exactly incorrect. power laws only result when the group is decentralizedly sorting the group. only then.
973200;1420998134;mircea_popescu;which is why the internet is when we firs saw them.
973201;1420998157;mircea_popescu;regardless of this, i do agree with the original statement that the particular way in which intellectual property is handled today makes the world richer rather than poorer.
973202;1420998170;decimation;his basic point is: if we have free wikipedias, who is going to pay people like me to 'be creative'?
973203;1420998201;mircea_popescu;specifically because by buying and selling stuff like watsapp or instagram or whatever as if they were representative of something they're merely SYMBOLIC of (their user's aggregated intellectual work) we're in essence going about carring handles of suitcases
973204;1420998209;mircea_popescu;and stories of how great our various wardrobes are
973205;1420998210;mircea_popescu;all nude.
973206;1420998224;mircea_popescu;decimation it's not as bad an argument as it seems.
973207;1420998248;decimation;yeah, it kinda connects with your rms discussion over the last days
973208;1420998255;mircea_popescu;it's not necessarily or striclty a matter of "pay" as in, the obvious direct "gimme 20 bux i need for mcdonalds".
973209;1420998271;decimation;by they way there's a typo in your RMS article: there is an "RSM"
973210;1420998271;mircea_popescu;payment and generally managing capital flux is first and foremost a matter of direction.
973211;1420998310;mircea_popescu;suppose nobody bothers to manage (ie, even TELL kids when they're saying something smart or stupid) because everyone that could be that is too busy attenting the teacher's unions meetings where they discuss which class is more valuable.
973212;1420998317;mircea_popescu;well... no class will be fucking valuable like that!
973213;1420998342;mircea_popescu;why is reddit so fucking stupid ? "because it has stupid people in it" no. not because of that, stupid people are universally present and as inert as dirt.
973214;1420998370;mircea_popescu;it's because the smart people that should be scoring them left their spots in the local hierarchy, because "better things to do" and now a retard like altman is left herding them around, as best he can.
973215;1420998389;mircea_popescu;it's as if every teacher in the hs left to go attend pravda readings, and the children are now stuck with the cleanning ladies.
973216;1420998396;mircea_popescu;how is this not making everyone poorer ?
973217;1420998444;mircea_popescu;decimation fixed typo ty
973218;1420998486;mircea_popescu;" i do agree with the original statement that the particular way in which intellectual property is handled today makes the world richer rather than poorer." << meant it exactly backwards. poorer rather than richer.
973219;1420998575;decimation;so in summary, wikipedia is the result of a bunch of smart people without direction?
973220;1420998593;mircea_popescu;no. it's the result of a bunch of stupid people without any sort of feedback or signal.
973221;1420998628;mircea_popescu;"everyone can edit it", because "nobody is here to manage it" sounds great only on the surface. but in essence, what it means is that "nobody intelligent agrees this is worth doing"
973222;1420998634;decimation;actually, they only get 'positive' feedback in the sense that they have now edited X+1 articles
973223;1420998639;mircea_popescu;so they have to backport hierarchy into it under the cover of darkness, so to speak
973224;1420998642;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 1457 @ 0.00086046 = 1.2537 BTC [-] {24} 
973225;1420998656;mircea_popescu;decimation but that's not feedback. how is it feedback ?
973226;1420998689;mircea_popescu;then they have the problem that "google has so much money, we don't!" well... of course ?
973227;1420998698;mircea_popescu;YOUR DECISIONS OF HOW TO ORGANISE MADE YOU POORER!
973228;1420998715;mircea_popescu;"well if you all made the same decision you'll be poor too and there wouldn't be a difference to make us sad"
973229;1420998718;mircea_popescu;"sure. fuck you."
973230;1420998747;decimation;what do you call feedback if it is disconnected from the circuit?
973231;1420998748;mircea_popescu;that's pretty much the wikipedia-side of the web2.0 utopia (and it has nothingm to do with o'reilly.)
973232;1420998755;mircea_popescu;decimation quite.
973233;1420998764;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 2138 @ 0.00085012 = 1.8176 BTC [-] {3} 
973234;1420998873;mircea_popescu;having someone to say "hey, this is great" "omfg that's fucking stupid" is the very essence of economy. you can disagree with them, or pick a different one, or create special methods for their working or measuring or announcing or whatever, it's endless. but if you remove it altogether, creating essentially a flat surface instead of a 3d shape, you WILL be poorer.
973235;1420998887;mircea_popescu;unavoidable. you literally chose to be poor, that's strictly it.
973236;1420999044;mircea_popescu;contrairiwise, the first step towards not being quite so poor is "giving people control of the fruits of their own work", aka not taxing them 100% (what is social media but an experimental regime of 100% tax ?)
973237;1420999061;mircea_popescu;once that happens, people naturally start to control the work, and hierarchy forms, and value springs from it, and prosperity is everywhere.
973238;1420999121;decimation;there is some 'backdoor' literature that demonstrates this point in the us
973239;1420999125;mircea_popescu;but an imaginary "social media platform" where value is UGS but all work is somehow, magically owned by the name, which is being bought and sold as *the thing it stands for*... well ?
973240;1420999135;mircea_popescu;the only possible way that goes is myspace.
973241;1420999147;mircea_popescu;people of course like to pretend mysapce is a circumstance rather than a fundamental.
973242;1420999152;decimation;http://bowlingalone.com/
973243;1420999154;assbot;Bowling Alone ... ( http://bit.ly/17xhfRu )
973244;1420999181;mircea_popescu;amusingly, this "thing as its name" approach is very much empowered by legal abstractions such the corporation,
973245;1420999197;mircea_popescu;however, the mechanisms that ensured value actually moves with the name there aren't present here.
973246;1420999203;mircea_popescu;suitcase handles, i tell you.
973247;1420999452;decimation;Charles Murray writes on this topic too: http://www.aei.org/publication/america-isnt-polarized-politics-polarized-responsibility/
973248;1420999454;assbot;America isn’t polarized about politics but responsibility ... ( http://bit.ly/1tX8GE1 )
973249;1420999457;decimation;"So that’s my working hypothesis: it’s not merely that politics is an epiphenomenon and that deeper personal qualities account for what we call political polarization, but that one specific dimension—our respective attitudes toward personal responsibility—accounts for a huge proportion of the polarization all by itself."
973250;1420999470;mircea_popescu;that i can see.
973251;1420999496;mircea_popescu;fundamentally, some people wish to be told WHAT they did is right and WHAT is wrong. and perhaps why. perhaps. half the time maybe they care.
973252;1420999507;mircea_popescu;some people enjoy trying to puzzle this out. WHETHER it is one or the other.
973253;1420999525;mircea_popescu;these are very different sorts, and the classical representation of man holds him to be equally both.
973254;1420999528;thestringpuller;it's fucking 4 c here while mircea_popescu gets to chill in 32 c
973255;1420999540;mircea_popescu;that's what the "voter" is supposed to be. but ... he isn't.
973256;1420999546;thestringpuller;i need to burn more shit
973257;1420999575;mircea_popescu;decimation the much decried "penitentiary industrial system" doesn't exist because evil white aliens from alpha centauri opress the world into doing it.
973258;1420999592;mircea_popescu;it exists naturally, because it provides for a need, and it is an actual social solution to a social problem.
973259;1420999629;mircea_popescu;not the best ? perhaps. but a nude statement of unbestness is as useful as an aeroplane made out of air.
973260;1420999632;mircea_popescu;gotta have better.
973261;1420999636;decimation;indeed.  it's a retarded version of classical slavery really
973262;1420999640;mircea_popescu;it is.
973263;1420999645;mircea_popescu;"oh, lincoln ended slavery"
973264;1420999654;mircea_popescu;no lol, he didn't. you can't "end" things that exist.
973265;1420999659;mircea_popescu;they'll end, when they run out.
973266;1420999693;mircea_popescu;"the civil war was an important fashion battle in the manner of shackles to be used"
973267;1420999781;decimation;yes, the religious fanatics went to war to make the government-stamped shackles the fashion
973268;1420999804;mircea_popescu;because "centralize all the things" was the fashionable motto at the time of the manifest destiny and so on.
973269;1420999811;mircea_popescu;now obviously the opposite is the fashionable motto.
973270;1420999850;mircea_popescu;thestringpuller my daiquiri salutes you.
973271;1420999893;decimation;it is too bad the french were to fucktarded to keep their lands in north america.  it would be interesting to know the history of the Bourbon West
973272;1420999914;mircea_popescu;but essentially... they didn't care.
973273;1420999923;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 1728 @ 0.00083501 = 1.4429 BTC [-] {6} 
973274;1420999940;mircea_popescu;it's by and large easier to not give a shit. that's why all divorces succeed, and all independence movements succeed, and why imperialism and colonialism and so on are all doomed.
973275;1420999954;mircea_popescu;because it is in all times and places cheaper to NOT carry other people's actions in your mind than to do so.
973276;1420999973;decimation;yeah that's a good point
973277;1420999992;mircea_popescu;this is why it's cheaper to "publish" if you're twitter than if you're the [classical] new york times, and why the current nyt is twitter in another color scheme.
973278;1420999996;mircea_popescu;it's... damned... cheaper.
973279;1421000007;mircea_popescu;obviously that means it's not better, because that's how it gets to be cheaper.
973280;1421000023;thestringpuller;d00d, just read updates on this thread
973281;1421000029;thestringpuller;how did hanbot not have an anurism?!?
973282;1421000037;mircea_popescu;"but people have a voice". orly ? turns out people don't want a voice, especially not in a fucking void. they really want signal and feedback more than they want voice.
973283;1421000038;thestringpuller;2-3 years of this?
973284;1421000048;mircea_popescu;thestringpuller ask her lol. i dunno.
973285;1421000057;mircea_popescu;women are resilient ? boobage amortises ?
973286;1421000090;thestringpuller;;;later tell hanbot how did you not have a stroke while in the trenches of super retardism?
973287;1421000090;gribble;The operation succeeded.
973288;1421000092;decimation;perhaps that's another good replacement phrase for "chronic kinglessness": "the people want for feedback"
973289;1421000103;mircea_popescu;"so they want signal and feedback that's ok, we'll add some buttons and call them feedback" herp.
973290;1421000127;thestringpuller;"We want free things. Make it all free! We don't want to pay for nice things! We are entitled to the world cause our parents told us so!"
973291;1421000153;mircea_popescu;"Some people have to have a world of evidence before they can come anywhere in the neighborhood of believing anything; but for me, when a man tells me that he has "seen the engravings which are upon the plates," and not only that, but an angel was there at the time, and saw him see them, and probably took his receipt for it, I am very far on the road to conviction, no matter whether I ever heard of that man before or n
973292;1421000153;mircea_popescu;ot, and even if I do not know the name of the angel, or his nationality either."
973293;1421000164;mircea_popescu;clemens, centuries ago. "i don't care what people say that i don't know". duh.
973294;1421000227;mircea_popescu;reddit has to shadowban users because spam. bitcoin-assets does not. because wot works and "Feedback" doesn't ? awww, who knew.
973295;1421000241;decimation;who could have predicted?
973296;1421000281;mircea_popescu;experiment can be carried out in absolutely any class. start marking the papers accurately.
973297;1421000302;mircea_popescu;out of 30 kids, 27 will fucking riot, 3 will buckle down and do fucking homework. that they don't strictly have to do.
973298;1421000329;mircea_popescu;don't do that, all 30 kids are undistinguishable. up until, of course, they run against feynman's nature, that which can't be fooled.
973299;1421000336;mircea_popescu;at which point, suddenly, yes. "who could have predicted".
973300;1421000399;mircea_popescu;(accurately, of course, means nothing objective. accurately in this context strictly means "so nobody gets a full A half the time". because you're looking for flaws, not to prop self esteem.)
973301;1421000467;thestringpuller;well reddit wants more users without having to pay for anything
973302;1421000476;thestringpuller;if user makes too many post too soon, they lose money
973303;1421000488;thestringpuller;wihtout them the users*
973304;1421000512;mircea_popescu;they lose jack. i suspect it's merely a fetish.
973305;1421000538;thestringpuller;perhaps. reddit does have a ridiculously hard time paying the bills with their own money.
973306;1421000548;thestringpuller;they need big brothers and parents to help pay their way.
973307;1421000565;mircea_popescu;wonder why. lol.
973308;1421000573;thestringpuller;this is why I think the ycombinator "seed funding" thing is a bit non-sensical.
973309;1421000582;mircea_popescu;why ?
973310;1421000591;thestringpuller;it gets this young people thinking "Yo, if I have a good idea people will pay for me to live, even if it makes no money"
973311;1421000594;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23500 @ 0.00059946 = 14.0873 BTC [-] {2} 
973312;1421000602;mircea_popescu;how's it a good idea then ?
973313;1421000617;thestringpuller;"good idea"
973314;1421000631;thestringpuller;lets say "good idea that's really bad idea, but is dressed up to look like good idea somehow and fools people"
973315;1421000635;thestringpuller;:P
973316;1421000663;mircea_popescu;a good idea that makes no money is a bit like a norwegian blue that's pining for the fjords. beautiful plumage...
973317;1421000794;thestringpuller;it's just mind boggling these children in suits feel so entitled.
973318;1421000885;thestringpuller;maybe it's how hanbot put it, its "Due to a horrible accident involving, perhaps, various radioactive equipment including a twinkie"
973319;1421000887;mircea_popescu;suits comingback in fashion ?
973320;1421000900;mircea_popescu;i thought it was all tshirts and how do you call those african footwear things ?
973321;1421000908;thestringpuller;crocs?
973322;1421000911;thestringpuller;LOL
973323;1421000938;mircea_popescu;flip flops
973324;1421000943;thestringpuller;;;google homeless entrepreneurs san francisco
973325;1421000943;gribble;Maker Movement Rescues San Francisco Tech Entrepreneur: <http://www.govtech.com/education/Maker-Movement-Rescues-San-Francisco-Tech-Entreprenuer.html>; Homeless In San Francisco Get Marketing Makeover, Clever Signs ...: <http://sanfrancisco.cbslocal.com/2014/07/03/homeless-in-san-francisco-get-marketing-makeover-clever-signs-increase-panhandling-donations-amuse-drivers- (1 more message)
973326;1421000977;thestringpuller;i read a story somewhere that there is a whole slew of entrepreneurs in SF that are homeless
973327;1421000993;thestringpuller;running their business out of their cars and stuff
973328;1421001160;midnightmagic;lol @ shadowban
973329;1421001221;mircea_popescu;thestringpuller i wonder if there's many whores working out of their car in sf.
973330;1421001285;thestringpuller;whores do real work, so I'm pretty sure they have housing
973331;1421001429;mircea_popescu;it's quite common in yurp actually.
973332;1421001439;mircea_popescu;girl and her wv beetle or w/e.
973333;1421001942;asciilifeform;kakobrekla's serial buffer shuttle << good project. and he said enough such that anyone who wants, can build!
973334;1421002045;mircea_popescu;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I95gITtKgwU
973335;1421002046;assbot;Silent Farewell - BIZARRE Sketch with John Byner - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1AMguzS )
973336;1421002327;thestringpuller;lol jon matonis randomly followed me on twitter
973337;1421002332;thestringpuller;dunno if I'm a target now...
973338;1421002368;danielpbarron;me too
973339;1421002546;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 72100 @ 0.00059655 = 43.0113 BTC [-] {2} 
973340;1421002584;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 72100 @ 0.00059655 = 43.0113 BTC [-] {2} 
973341;1421002681;mircea_popescu;"i have to tell you miss lopez, you seem to have caught the egyptian flu."
973342;1421002685;mircea_popescu;"what ?!"
973343;1421002689;mircea_popescu;"you're going to be a mommy."
973344;1421002769;thestringpuller;danielpbarron: "keep your enemies closer?" lol
973345;1421002851;danielpbarron;he also followed davout, cazalla, saifedean, BingoBoingo
973346;1421002964;thestringpuller;oh boi. the lines are being drawn.
973347;1421002970;thestringpuller;my first gig as a war profiteer!
973348;1421003017;thestringpuller;i wonder if he'll make some kind of contact, "Yo guise, stop stirring up the pot. You're making our hijacking job too hard."
973349;1421003200;mircea_popescu;kinda lulzy he wasn't following none of these b4 ?
973350;1421003201;mircea_popescu;derp.
973351;1421003874;danielpbarron;https://twitter.com/BarryShilbert/status/554281218590904320
973352;1421003876;assbot;I’ve now been unbanned from reddit. The drama is over.
973353;1421003891;danielpbarron;.@aantonop Being banned by Reddit is almost as worse as @rogerkver not being allowed in the US
973354;1421003963;mircea_popescu;"Good permission-less distribution of coins is not possible without some inflation, that's exactly what's happening. Only private and semi-private systems have all shares distributed to stakeholders in one go, money don't work that way, sorry."
973355;1421003964;mircea_popescu;derp.
973356;1421003985;mircea_popescu;people with no money expressing views asa to how money works. because clearly... they;'d know.
973357;1421004006;mircea_popescu;danielpbarron almost as worse ? wtf is wrong with these college grads!
973358;1421004096;thestringpuller;it's like a secretary telling me I need a heart transplant because he saw it on TV
973359;1421004117;thestringpuller;guess we still haven't left the ages of people wanting to play bitcoin banker
973360;1421004264;thestringpuller;d00d this shadowban drama is nuts
973361;1421004281;thestringpuller;people are like "Yo he broke the rules but didn't know. Don't punish him too hard, just give him a warning."
973362;1421004294;mircea_popescu;danielpbarron "This whole hard fork drama is part of the bigger brain-damaged notion that Bitcoin isn't about money." << you actuyally have an excellent point here.
973363;1421004295;thestringpuller;What the fuck happened to ignorance of the law is no excuse for breaking it.
973364;1421004337;mircea_popescu;the way "embrace, extend and extinguish" is dressed up in foundation/power ranger internal communication is, "to maximize bitcoin the ideal approach is to not define bitcoin any particular way". this neatly matches their refusal to specify the protocol, and its direct implication is
973365;1421004380;mircea_popescu;that should tomorrow tide agree to rebrand its detergent as "bitcoin", then it will be okay if there's n omore bitcoin. because bitcoin has no identity but is merely a name, and since the empty name is "more widely used" the project is nominally "more successful"
973366;1421004410;mircea_popescu;this directly dovetails into the "going around naked holding just the handles of missing suitcases, telling each other stories about wonderous wardrobes" point discussed earlier.
973367;1421004458;mircea_popescu;and as to the question of "how was gavin turned", the answer is obvious : cultural immersion. he happens to be part of the problem, much like if you put ximenez in charge of the supreme court you'll get burnings at the stake out of the legal process irrespective what the laws say.
973368;1421004586;thestringpuller;what is the other side of the problem?
973369;1421004595;thestringpuller;its like the CIA turning jihadist into CIA assets.
973370;1421004614;thestringpuller;his early posts are relatively sane
973371;1421004988;mircea_popescu;Confirmed total: 21122 BTC sheeit it crossed 20kdidn't evne notice.
973372;1421005006;mircea_popescu;;;calc 21122 / 13347
973373;1421005006;gribble;1.58252790889
973374;1421005012;mircea_popescu;still over 1btc o.o
973375;1421007170;mircea_popescu;http://globalvoicesonline.org/2013/08/05/hong-kong-sex-workers-forced-to-pay-for-good-reviews-online/
973376;1421007173;assbot;Hong Kong Sex Workers Forced to Pay for Good Reviews Online · Global Voices ... ( http://bit.ly/1BWlpv7 )
973377;1421007192;mircea_popescu;heh. airbnb is good, and the cab thing is good, but this is bad. the difference  ?
973378;1421007203;mircea_popescu;well... silicon valley got ED.
973379;1421007225;mircea_popescu;someone should 'revolutionize' whoredom.
973380;1421007243;ben_vulpes;disrupt the whore-er-archy!
973381;1421007403;*;mircea_popescu never thought much of the average pimp
973382;1421007419;mircea_popescu;there's something about that market that always selects for ineptitude
973383;1421007475;mircea_popescu;maybe because a pimp's essentially an actor playing the cuckold role, i dunno.
973384;1421007896;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 5200 @ 0.00083509 = 4.3425 BTC [-] {9} 
973385;1421007912;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 5198 @ 0.00083509 = 4.3408 BTC [-] {8} 
973386;1421007914;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 5164 @ 0.00083504 = 4.3121 BTC [-] {7} 
973387;1421007926;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 4927 @ 0.000835 = 4.114 BTC [-]
973388;1421008158;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13549 @ 0.00062311 = 8.4425 BTC [+]
973389;1421008170;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13549 @ 0.00062311 = 8.4425 BTC [+]
973390;1421008201;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13549 @ 0.00062311 = 8.4425 BTC [+]
973391;1421008217;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13549 @ 0.00062311 = 8.4425 BTC [+]
973392;1421008490;jurov;mircea_popescu: when the fork hits the fan, will you allow us to withdraw our part of gavincoins from mpex?
973393;1421008514;jurov;or you plan to sell them all yourself?
973394;1421008998;danielpbarron;no private key, no coin :p
973395;1421009201;kakobrekla;https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/550297212769402881 ; http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-02-2014#506252
973396;1421009205;assbot;Btw, we are actually working on a charger that automatically moves out from the wall & connects like a solid metal snake. For realz.
973397;1421009205;assbot;Logged on 16-02-2014 00:31:00; asciilifeform: 2 yrs. ago i figured out how to flex a fairly ordinary multi-conductor cable in an arbitrary spot, at an arbitrary angle, purely electrically.
973398;1421009903;thestringpuller;http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/2s2utx/the_hard_fork_missile_crisis/cnlqcd1 << dunno if semantics or what?
973399;1421009927;thestringpuller;cazalla: i'll submit revision to article if we can vet what he's saying.
973400;1421009992;cazalla;thestringpuller, sure, just need to get a few cuppas into me, look at all this drama i've woken up to because of you!
973401;1421010000;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9924 @ 0.00059619 = 5.9166 BTC [-] {2} 
973402;1421010009;cazalla;just approved a couple of comments on your article as well
973403;1421010031;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24609 @ 0.00059181 = 14.5639 BTC [-] {5} 
973404;1421010047;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24609 @ 0.00059181 = 14.5639 BTC [-] {5} 
973405;1421010049;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24609 @ 0.00059181 = 14.5639 BTC [-] {5} 
973406;1421010061;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14685 @ 0.00058887 = 8.6476 BTC [-] {3} 
973407;1421010147;thestringpuller;Ah. Didn't know everyone was gonna go Xbox live on each other - "I FUCKED YOUR MOM" and shit.
973408;1421010152;thestringpuller;;;ident
973409;1421010152;gribble;Nick 'thestringpuller', with hostmask 'thestringpuller!~leflor@unaffiliated/thestringpuller', is not identified.
973410;1421010218;thestringpuller;;;ident
973411;1421010219;gribble;Nick 'thestringpuller', with hostmask 'thestringpuller!~leflor@unaffiliated/thestringpuller', is identified as user 'thestringpuller', with GPG key id 0FF2943DA179E169, key fingerprint 6ACE36E786F39A4ADC4506DE0FF2943DA179E169, and bitcoin address None
973412;1421010231;thestringpuller;cazalla: this is my proposed edit (place at bottom of article)
973413;1421010250;cazalla;thestringpuller, email it or pm
973414;1421010253;thestringpuller;kay
973415;1421010275;danielpbarron;;;rate railzand 1 https://twitter.com/railzand/status/553942112677691393
973416;1421010278;assbot;https://t.co/2iVjWSBkxsSo, Gavin, do you really want to lose little people their coins? Or could you just let it drop?
973417;1421010278;gribble;Error: For identification purposes, you must be authenticated to use the rating system.
973418;1421010282;*;danielpbarron stabs gribble
973419;1421010289;adlai;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=11-01-2015#973353 << grammar pls
973420;1421010289;assbot;Logged on 11-01-2015 19:18:11; danielpbarron: .@aantonop Being banned by Reddit is almost as worse as @rogerkver not being allowed in the US
973421;1421010657;adlai;so being a little anal retentive here...  http://bitbet.us/bet/1093 is really just asking "does blockchain.info switch to gigacoin"
973422;1421010658;assbot;BitBet - Bitcoin main net block size to increase in 2015 :: 0.03 B (3%) on Yes, 1.07 B (97%) on No | closing in 10 months 1 week| weight: 97`257 (100`000 to 1) ... ( http://bit.ly/1BWtIam )
973423;1421010730;adlai;a better phrasing might talk about the block size of the highest difficulty chain at the resolution date
973424;1421010812;kakobrekla;i agree.
973425;1421010996;*;adlai can see himself holding opposite sides of such bets, depending on the exact timing of shenanigans
973426;1421011028;adlai;oh, this wording also leaves unspecified what happens if bc.i serve up both chains
973427;1421011039;*;adlai goes back to studying lojban
973428;1421011132;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4186 @ 0.00062311 = 2.6083 BTC [+]
973429;1421011147;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4186 @ 0.00062311 = 2.6083 BTC [+]
973430;1421011151;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4186 @ 0.00062311 = 2.6083 BTC [+]
973431;1421011159;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4186 @ 0.00062311 = 2.6083 BTC [+]
973432;1421011469;decimation;adlai: are you going to try to speak lojban?
973433;1421011484;adlai;ie
973434;1421011596;decimation;heh
973435;1421011625;danielpbarron;Advertised sites are not endorsed by the Bitcoin Forum. They may be unsafe, untrustworthy, or illegal in your jurisdiction. Advertise here.
973436;1421012149;jurov;adlai actually if bc.i serves both then it will be YES
973437;1421012237;jurov;"is the gigablock visible on bc.i?" "yes but.." "not but"
973438;1421012248;jurov;*"no but"
973439;1421012272;kakobrekla;no but only butt.
973440;1421012413;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5950 @ 0.00062342 = 3.7093 BTC [+] {2} 
973441;1421012428;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5950 @ 0.00062342 = 3.7093 BTC [+] {2} 
973442;1421012432;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5950 @ 0.00062342 = 3.7093 BTC [+] {2} 
973443;1421012440;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5950 @ 0.00062342 = 3.7093 BTC [+] {2} 
973444;1421012652;adlai;there are butts, this is not how the bet is worded... but this is the pot calling the kettle empty
973445;1421012911;jurov;and how else it is worded? do say
973446;1421013422;mircea_popescu;jurov i wasn't planning anything on that line
973447;1421013456;mircea_popescu;thestringpuller if you mean todd's comment, he is correct.
973448;1421013478;mircea_popescu;there never was a hard fork before. the march event was an observed fork which was resolved by abandoning the new chain.
973449;1421013522;jurov;would be quite a perk for mpex users... "liquidate" positions according to last month report and allow to withdraw all the gigacoin
973450;1421013552;jurov;but i see, it can't be predicted in advance
973451;1421013562;mircea_popescu;i was thinking more along the lines of a publicly accessible splitter service
973452;1421013565;mircea_popescu;pay some pool to provide it
973453;1421013585;mircea_popescu;"I agree a big discussion is necessary before changes are made, but we shouldn't act like a hard fork is somehow inherently an issue."
973454;1421013586;mircea_popescu;derp.
973455;1421013595;mircea_popescu;gavin does NOT have the authority to create a hard fork.
973456;1421013618;mircea_popescu;a hard fork that's not been ok'd by the bitcoin foundation (the real one, not vessenes' scam) is automatically an issue fort the obvious reason :
973457;1421013630;mircea_popescu;it's an attempt of unrelated third parties to run away with bitcoin.
973458;1421013655;mircea_popescu;"If the community can't hardfork today we could stop using bitcoin now and look for the better suited alt coin. If bitcoin can't fork-update it has no value."
973459;1421013670;mircea_popescu;yeah, get lost. obviously bitcoin HAS NO VALUE TO YOU,
973460;1421013684;mircea_popescu;but that;'s because you were expecting to defraud the faith others put in  bitcoin by inflating it.
973461;1421013694;mircea_popescu;bitcoin does not do that, specifically, and so yeah, pack it and get lost.
973462;1421013697;mircea_popescu;"we" my fucking foot.
973463;1421013717;mircea_popescu;bejesus reddit is practically full of fake accounts with a party line.
973464;1421013738;kakobrekla;this 'this foundation can and the other cant' i very arbitrary except for one being 'us' and one 'them'.
973465;1421013752;kakobrekla;s/i/is
973466;1421013773;*;mircea_popescu shrugs.
973467;1421013784;mircea_popescu;"you can't fuck her unless she agrees" "that seems arbitrary, why her and not me ?"
973468;1421013791;mircea_popescu;"i know what you agree to, fucker"
973469;1421013958;mircea_popescu;meh this'll have to be a post.
973470;1421013965;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 1742 @ 0.00081945 = 1.4275 BTC [-] {10} 
973471;1421013974;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 6244 @ 0.00080813 = 5.046 BTC [-] {16} 
973472;1421013999;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 8664 @ 0.00080583 = 6.9817 BTC [-] {22} 
973473;1421014014;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 8396 @ 0.00080503 = 6.759 BTC [-] {20} 
973474;1421014018;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 7896 @ 0.00080346 = 6.3441 BTC [-] {18} 
973475;1421014026;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 6922 @ 0.00080242 = 5.5544 BTC [-] {12} 
973476;1421014035;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 2420 @ 0.0008 = 1.936 BTC [-] {6} 
973477;1421014059;davout;mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=11-01-2015#973151 <<< kind of what i figured when reading "The machine handling encryption and decryption on the MPEx side never connects to the Internet" from mpex's faq
973478;1421014059;assbot;Logged on 11-01-2015 17:15:59; mircea_popescu: the correct airgap solution is optics.
973479;1421014088;mircea_popescu;enjoy.
973480;1421014116;benjamindees;thank-you, sir
973481;1421014157;BigBitz;optics are not an airgap solution - if you mean fibre optics - or do you mean actual optics as in vision/eyes?
973482;1421014173;benjamindees;Mircea, no one is going to inflate Bitcoin... where do you get that idea?
973483;1421014206;mircea_popescu;benjamindees how much of this discussion have you read ?
973484;1421014215;adlai;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=11-01-2015#973445 << "with a timestamp in 2015 and at least 50 confirmations"
973485;1421014215;assbot;Logged on 11-01-2015 21:48:31; jurov: and how else it is worded? do say
973486;1421014239;davout;kakobrekla: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=11-01-2015#973163 <<< the visual confirmation of transferred data sounds pretty neat too
973487;1421014239;assbot;Logged on 11-01-2015 17:20:51; *: kakobrekla has a serial cable with a buffer with visual confirmation of the data and it does not need to be plugged to both computers at same time
973488;1421014242;benjamindees;well, I was under the impression it was quite a bit, but I may have missed some things
973489;1421014268;mircea_popescu;define inflation ?
973490;1421014270;davout;BigBitz: yeah sure, but ethernet-over-optical-fiber isn't really the idea
973491;1421014286;benjamindees;I agree that perhaps some people might secretly like to continue block rewards forever
973492;1421014299;benjamindees;but that's not going to happen
973493;1421014302;mircea_popescu;BigBitz optics as the element that goes over the airgap. rather than sound.
973494;1421014312;mircea_popescu;benjamindees can ye answer the question ?
973495;1421014313;jurov;adlais so the issue is not about cockchain.info publishing or not? i'm confused now
973496;1421014329;benjamindees;inflation is an increase in the money supply, of course
973497;1421014333;davout;i don't think sound is inherently flawed, as long as you are in a controlled environment
973498;1421014380;BigBitz;ethernet-over-optical-fibre lolwut.
973499;1421014384;BigBitz;do you even network bro.
973500;1421014409;davout;because if you manage to put some microphone somewhere and sniff audio, nothing theoretically prevents you from sniffing optic signal leaks as well, guess it all depends on the implementation specfics
973501;1421014416;decimation;optical ethernet is quite common in large installations
973502;1421014425;*;adlai is just pointing out possible corner cases in the wording, and that it's not measuring exactly "is a hardfork successful"
973503;1421014428;BigBitz;optical ethernet. wut.
973504;1421014448;BigBitz;There is no such thing as optical ethernet.
973505;1421014450;davout;BigBitz: "do you even network bro." <<< the point is precisely not to
973506;1421014493;mircea_popescu;benjamindees inflation is the increase in the supply. whatever it is.
973507;1421014502;mircea_popescu;if suddenly there's a lot of noobs here, there'll be an inflaiton of noobs.
973508;1421014509;kakobrekla;"is a hardfork successful" < since this is bb, hf successful only if mp submits.
973509;1421014525;mircea_popescu;where originally the occasional noob might be something people want to help, if there's a lot of them that well will be run dry. which is what happened in 1993.
973510;1421014530;adlai;the point, if i follow correctly, is to establish a channel for conveying specific data across the airgap, as opposed to ethernet-over-fiber, which would defeat the purpose of the airgap
973511;1421014574;mircea_popescu;adlai that bet doesn't measure "successful" was discussed before, and i said "well, yeah, but it's better to err this way, give the bet a chance"
973512;1421014596;*;adlai leaves dead horses to rot
973513;1421014606;mircea_popescu;davout optics easier to shield.
973514;1421014614;decimation;adlai: generally 1000Base-LX or similar have a physical laser for transmitting and some kind of photodetector for receive
973515;1421014618;mircea_popescu;was the statement when that was discussed.
973516;1421014626;benjamindees;mircea_popescu, lol, okay, listen I think you're over-reacting a bit.  It'll work out.
973517;1421014635;davout;adlai: ethernet-over-fiber being merely the image of 'unsupervised permanently connected automatic optical transmission device'
973518;1421014635;mircea_popescu;benjamindees of course it will.
973519;1421014639;mircea_popescu;that's never been in contention.
973520;1421014658;davout;mircea_popescu: i agree, it's a difference in degree not in kind though
973521;1421014663;mircea_popescu;just, it will work out my way. not mtgox's way, not pirate's way, not reddit's way or the forum's way or vessenes' way
973522;1421014667;mircea_popescu;like it ALWAYS has to date, mind you.
973523;1421014680;davout;benjamindees: inflation of block space supply doesn't count as inflation to you?
973524;1421014683;mircea_popescu;davout it's a very hard problem this, spying on light.
973525;1421014684;decimation;adlai: my point being that one can physically disconnect a link end, if one wishes to prevent two-way transfer
973526;1421014717;adlai;davout, decimation, i know you guys understand this, i think i understand it, the person who seemet to be confused is BigBitz
973527;1421014731;BigBitz;confused...
973528;1421014733;BigBitz;I don't think so.
973529;1421014746;BigBitz;I'm au fait with optics.
973530;1421014772;adlai;then i misunderstood you, sorry
973531;1421014783;BigBitz;Don't apologise.
973532;1421014785;BigBitz;:)
973533;1421014789;adlai;don't tell me what not to do!
973534;1421014810;kakobrekla;imo the blockchain size would ideally be set so that we get most tx fees. the answer to that is not simple.
973535;1421014833;kakobrekla;but on that i think we are still way under limit.
973536;1421014846;*;adlai tends to avoid apologies although misunderstandings can lead to lots of strife so they're worth avoiding
973537;1421014866;adlai;somewhere... there was a comparison of this to the laffer curve
973538;1421014870;adlai;although it may have been in my head
973539;1421014922;adlai;blocksize limit + tx fees as the taxation apparatus of bitcoin's decentralized regulatory body
973540;1421014945;adlai;with the economic issues that arise from optimizing a tax system
973541;1421014986;davout;adlai: what BigBitz was saying is that an optic fiber isn't a proper airgap, which i concurred with saying that the idea of the airgap is definitely not to have some sort of permanent connection like ethernet over optical fiber should such a thing exist
973542;1421014990;kakobrekla;anyway think of the poor miners.
973543;1421014993;adlai;mircea_popescu: ever thought you'd find yourself leading the charge for higher taxation? :P
973544;1421014994;benjamindees;davout, no, it doesn't.  Bitcoin isn't ultimately equivalent to debt-issued currencies in the way velocity is measured, or in the way it impacts the value.  it just appears to be at the moment because inflation (issuance) is high.
973545;1421015041;mircea_popescu;<kakobrekla> but on that i think we are still way under limit. << and i think women are overweight, by and large. what do we do ?
973546;1421015056;adlai;risperidone in the stratosphere
973547;1421015074;mircea_popescu;that's a valid point from benjamindees
973548;1421015102;kakobrekla;mircea_popescu start a foundation?
973549;1421015120;mircea_popescu;no, i just let 'em be.
973550;1421015120;adlai;if we look at the blocksize limit as a parameter of the tax system, this isn't inflation, it's a tax cut - which we may wish to reverse in the future
973551;1421015133;mircea_popescu;adlai nobody asked "we" anything.
973552;1421015146;mircea_popescu;"we" are not in charge of things just because pelosi likes to pretend so.
973553;1421015161;davout;benjamindees: i may be thick here, but i fail to see how this relates, as a miner i might not one someone forcing a scarce resource that i sell, such as space in a block, to be inflated away
973554;1421015176;adlai;if we the people having this discussion look at the ... which we the people cutting the taxes may wish to...
973555;1421015254;davout;s/i might not/i might not agree with some/
973556;1421015310;benjamindees;davout, well, the thing is, by the time it even matters, mining may be irrelevant anyways.  I wouldn't bank on having a mining oligopoly twenty years from now.  Mining is mostly a means of distribution.
973557;1421015335;kakobrekla;and network will be secured how ?
973558;1421015376;adlai;if you think mining is primarily a means of distribution, you should consider studying the problems with systems that preceeded bitcoin
973559;1421015386;decimation;pelosi will take care of the mining.
973560;1421015390;adlai;"systems" may be an exaggeration, a better word: "proposals"
973561;1421015464;decimation;!up rootstat
973562;1421015467;davout;does anyone know if current bitcoin nodes would actually blacklist/disconnect from nodes broadcasting >1m or otherwise invalid blocks?
973563;1421015508;davout;would transactions still propagated accross fork branches in the event of a hard fork scenario?
973564;1421015519;BingoBoingo;!up rootstat
973565;1421015584;davout;trying to figure out how easy/hard it would be to actually split coins reliably accross forks
973566;1421015584;danielpbarron;all it takes is anyone watching both chains and telling each about the other's transactions; all the ones that aren't doublespends should get accepted by both chains
973567;1421015587;adlai;nodes get penalized for relaying junk
973568;1421015605;davout;danielpbarron: yeah, that's a good point
973569;1421015610;adlai;i'm not certain if they'd get disconnected right away, but a node sending invalid-to-you blocks won't last long in your node's connection list
973570;1421015619;kakobrekla;how do other envision the future when reward goes towards 0. either a btc is worth half a planet or the fees amount per block go up a few orders of magnitude or network is dead
973571;1421015625;kakobrekla;which?
973572;1421015690;davout;adlai: yeah, but danielpbarron has a point, there only needs to be one node bridging transactions for a double-spend to be harder to pull off, obviously not impossible, but it would be harder than trivial
973573;1421015694;benjamindees;Just consider that, when Satoshi said "gain a new territory of freedom for several years," he had a reason.  Bitcoin is not the end-all-be-all of systems.  Mining may not be a long-term solution.  But inflation is non-negotiable, regardless.
973574;1421015696;adlai;you can broadcast transactions on both chains, miners could even be incentivized to scan both chains for transactions valid in the chain they're mining on - but p2p broadcast probably won't work on its own, once the network has forked properly
973575;1421015701;danielpbarron;"confirming blocks for just the transaction fee is a losing venture, but we intend to make up for it in volume"
973576;1421015715;adlai;double spends are easy today, they'll be far easier in such a situation
973577;1421015738;danielpbarron;davout, if you can probably beat them to it if it's your intention to doublespend
973578;1421015758;decimation;well, if the network is dead, no one cares.  If bitcoin can be traded for half a planet, the implication is that mining is costly
973579;1421015793;kakobrekla;no, but you cant secure a network on 0.05 if its not half a planet each.
973580;1421015793;mircea_popescu;<davout> would transactions still propagated accross fork branches in the event of a hard fork scenario? <>< hard to tell, but mostly yes.
973581;1421015847;mircea_popescu;<benjamindees> Just consider that, when Satoshi said "gain a new territory of freedom for several years," he had a reason.  Bitcoin is not the end-all-be-all of systems.  <<  that's not the reason he had. here is the reason he had : http://trilema.com/2013/digging-through-archives-yields-gold/
973582;1421015847;assbot;Digging through archives yields gold pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.  ... ( http://bit.ly/1w94ErX )
973583;1421015855;decimation;kakobrekla: if mining is costly, the  miners won't relay dust
973584;1421015860;mircea_popescu;"The big and easy government attacks on money target a single central money issuer, as with the first of the modern political attacks, the French Assignat of 1792, but in the late nineteenth century political attacks on financial networks began, as for example the Federal reserve act of 1913, the goal always being to wind up the network into a single too big to fail entity, and they have been getting progressively bigg
973585;1421015860;mircea_popescu;er, more serious, and more disastrous, as with the most recent one. Each attack is hugely successful, and after the cataclysm that the attack causes the attackers are hailed as saviors of the poor, the oppressed, and the nation generally, and the blame for the the bad consequences is dumped elsewhere, usually on Jews, greedy bankers, speculators, etc, because such attacks are difficult for ordinary people understand. I
973586;1421015860;mircea_popescu;have trouble understanding your proposal - ordinary users will be easily bamboozled by a government sponsored security update. Further, when the crisis hits, to disagree with the line, to doubt that the regulators are right, and the problem is the evil speculators, becomes political suicide, as it did in America in 2007, sometimes physical suicide, as in Weimar Germany."
973587;1421015893;kakobrekla;decimation from miners perspective they would include everything and their mother if she has half a dime.
973588;1421015898;mircea_popescu;the slowly creeping usg-isation of bitcoin has to be nipped in the bud.
973589;1421015936;kakobrekla;"if im not picking this cent up, next miner will in next block."
973590;1421015951;decimation;kakobrekla: by that logic, airlines would fly a bum for five bux if there were an empty seat
973591;1421015967;mircea_popescu;kakobrekla this is a point. all the people derping about "economy" fail to have read that old mpoe-pr article about buffett and textile industry on the forum.
973592;1421015968;kakobrekla;yes but miners arent airplane liners.
973593;1421015971;mircea_popescu;hanbot got a link ?
973594;1421015978;davout;decimation: they totally would if they had to bear the costs of flying empty airplanes anyway
973595;1421016000;mircea_popescu;^
973596;1421016004;mircea_popescu;they ... actually do.
973597;1421016013;mircea_popescu;there's a system where you only fly if they have empty seats, costs bupkiss
973598;1421016027;decimation;in the us, most airlines have done away with that
973599;1421016031;decimation;not sure about the rest of the world
973600;1421016058;mircea_popescu;ah k.
973601;1421016062;decimation;the reason being, the 'airline system' is running at capacity
973602;1421016070;davout;my favourite pilot joke: "see this baby? that's a C-130. I fly a C-150"
973603;1421016126;assbot;Last 1 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/1YVPVS8.txt )
973604;1421016126;adlai;!b 1
973605;1421016154;decimation;at any rate, this is a problem for actual miners to solve in the future, and they will likely despise any actions taken today on their behalf
973606;1421016228;davout;trying to solve other people's problems that don't exist yet, the recipe for success :D
973607;1421016278;davout;!up hanbot
973608;1421016323;hanbot;ty davout
973609;1421016334;davout;hanbot: so, how's the tampon market in bsas?
973610;1421016349;hanbot;mircea_popescu iirc https://bitcointa.lk/threads/bitbond-update-and-request-for-feedback.82625/page-2#post-1417775
973611;1421016350;assbot;BITBOND update and request for feedback | Page 2 | Bitcointa.lk ... ( http://bit.ly/1ANb1c9 )
973612;1421016401;mircea_popescu;hanbot a there we go.
973613;1421016417;hanbot;davout lol, i don't know what the hubub's about. they're like two bux a box'a 16.
973614;1421016417;mircea_popescu;^ benjamindees read that.
973615;1421016423;hanbot;^^ ben_vulpes
973616;1421016453;mircea_popescu;<davout> trying to solve other people's problems that don't exist yet, the recipe for success :D <<< kinda the meat and potatoes of socialist government eh.
973617;1421016484;davout;also product managers
973618;1421016493;hanbot;they come with a sanity tax tho', box waxes on unpoetic about how you the buyer are a unique woman whose dreams become reality etc.
973619;1421016597;decimation;mircea_popescu: the unborn make the perfect socialist workers.  they never complain and always eager for the next five year plan
973620;1421016654;mircea_popescu;quite.
973621;1421016657;adlai;i like how the idf doesn't put the number in the name (though they are planned for five), calling them just "multi-year plans", as though resigned in advance to the inevitable delays
973622;1421016697;mircea_popescu;that's exactly it, in the quest to "we promise to over-react, please re-elect us" the socialist politicians are stuck moving the goalposts in the future. their ideal pov is to resolve problems for which no being alive can now hang them
973623;1421017028;decimation;this phenomenon is demonstrated in obamacare, for instance.  the 40% tax on "cadillac" health plans will start in 2018, presumably after a republican president takes office
973624;1421017076;[\\\];hi kids
973625;1421017185;joecool;hi nick, are you still mad at me?
973626;1421017235;benjamindees;mircea_popescu, you understand that the next, "bigger" too-big-to-fail entity is China, right?  It's not Bitcoin...  bankers don't take non-inflationary currency seriously.
973627;1421017282;davout;benjamindees: it's not really as if bitcoin was taking banking too seriously either
973628;1421017311;mircea_popescu;benjamindees heh.
973629;1421017315;mircea_popescu;how many "bankers" do you know ?
973630;1421017438;benjamindees;just one, personally
973631;1421017450;mircea_popescu;http://trilema.com/2015/lets-address-some-of-the-more-common-pseudo-arguments-raised-by-the-very-stupid-people-that-like-the-gavin-scamcoin-proposal/
973632;1421017451;assbot;Let's address some of the more common pseudo-arguments raised by the very stupid people that like the Gavin scamcoin proposal pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.  ... ( http://bit.ly/1w961XS )
973633;1421017455;mircea_popescu;fresh offa da presses.
973634;1421017527;mircea_popescu;benjamindees an' he doesn't take bitcoin seriously
973635;1421017549;benjamindees;not as a currency
973636;1421017611;benjamindees;as an asset, sure, assets are easy to control with conventional means -- threats, taxation, theft, etc
973637;1421017642;[\\\];"All readers are entitled to five free articles each week." <-- How do I go about getting my five free articles?
973638;1421017661;adlai;by not using the proxy
973639;1421017687;mircea_popescu;[\\\] simply load the site.
973640;1421017705;adlai;proxies socialize away your free articles
973641;1421017706;[\\\];it redirected to the http://trilema.com/2013/paid-content/ page
973642;1421017707;assbot;Paid content pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.  ... ( http://bit.ly/1ANg3Wb )
973643;1421017716;[\\\];I had to go back to the original and refresh
973644;1421017785;mircea_popescu;lol adlai
973645;1421017829;[\\\];adlai, I'm not using a proxy.  I have no such need.
973646;1421017894;mircea_popescu;not behind seven proxies ?!!?
973647;1421017902;mircea_popescu;the internetity!
973648;1421017942;[\\\];It'd just route to North Korea anyway.
973649;1421017964;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14650 @ 0.00059589 = 8.7298 BTC [-]
973650;1421017979;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14650 @ 0.00059589 = 8.7298 BTC [-]
973651;1421017983;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14650 @ 0.00059589 = 8.7298 BTC [-]
973652;1421017996;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14650 @ 0.00059589 = 8.7298 BTC [-]
973653;1421018004;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14650 @ 0.00059589 = 8.7298 BTC [-]
973654;1421018123;decimation;!up hanbot
973655;1421018745;scoopbot;New post on Trilema by Mircea Popescu: http://trilema.com/2015/lets-address-some-of-the-more-common-pseudo-arguments-raised-by-the-very-stupid-people-that-like-the-gavin-scamcoin-proposal/
973656;1421018919;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10200 @ 0.00059202 = 6.0386 BTC [-]
973657;1421018940;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10200 @ 0.00059202 = 6.0386 BTC [-]
973658;1421018948;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10200 @ 0.00059202 = 6.0386 BTC [-]
973659;1421018955;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10200 @ 0.00059202 = 6.0386 BTC [-]
973660;1421018959;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10200 @ 0.00059202 = 6.0386 BTC [-]
973661;1421018972;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10200 @ 0.00059202 = 6.0386 BTC [-]
973662;1421019100;scoopbot;New post on Qntra.net by cazalla: http://qntra.net/2015/01/yet-another-silk-road-marketplace-launches/
973663;1421019124;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 76800 @ 0.00059589 = 45.7644 BTC [+]
973664;1421019125;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 76800 @ 0.00059589 = 45.7644 BTC [+]
973665;1421019131;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 76800 @ 0.00059589 = 45.7644 BTC [+]
973666;1421019138;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 76800 @ 0.00059589 = 45.7644 BTC [+]
973667;1421019142;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 76800 @ 0.00059589 = 45.7644 BTC [+]
973668;1421019155;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 76800 @ 0.00059589 = 45.7644 BTC [+]
973669;1421019163;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 76800 @ 0.00059589 = 45.7644 BTC [+]
973670;1421019178;davout;sgornick: as danielpbarron points out "Yes, that's why it will be so dangerous to accept payments from anyone that includes coins tainted with post-fork coinbases." is not completely accurate
973671;1421019223;davout;since you would be able to split coins, ie. even if your incoming tx isn't tainted with a post-fork coinbase you could receive funds that aren't spendable on both chains
973672;1421019251;sgornick;Why?  100% of those will be rejected on the side of the fork from nodes without the hard-fork implemented.
973673;1421019330;davout;i'm not sure i follow what you're saying
973674;1421019447;sgornick;Oh, ... I think I see -- you are saying I didn't go far enough?  Not  only are trxs with post-fork taint worthless, but there could be trxs with no taint that would confirm on one side but would be invalid as they were already spent on the other side?
973675;1421019523;davout;exactly
973676;1421019542;adlai;cazalla: "Schzultz"
973677;1421019578;sgornick;First, gotta get some vocabulary simplified.  When we had the unplanned hard-fork March 2013, we had the protocol "pre-v0.8' and "v0.8" .   What do we call this protocol with the hard fork implemented vs. that without the hard fork (i.e., unchanged? )
973678;1421019589;cazalla;adlai, ty
973679;1421019607;sgornick;Or .. maybe daniel's works best ...  "bitcoin" vs. "gavincoin"
973680;1421019617;davout;sgornick: it wasn't a hard fork in the sense that no rule was changed
973681;1421019649;sgornick;Sure was ...   v0.8 changed the rule in allowing more than the pre-v0.8 side did.
973682;1421019668;adlai;and there wasn't a well-defined set of nodes that would prefer one block over another - the pre-v0.8 side would nondeterministically reject certain valid blocks
973683;1421019737;davout;sgornick: it was a hard fork in the sense that not all implementations behaved the same way, not in the sense that a rule was changed
973684;1421019925;sgornick;The (bdb) rule wasn't (widely) known before v0.8 caused the fork, but it was coded into v0.8.1.
973685;1421020203;davout;sgornick: an implementation detail in some older client does not count as a protocol rule in my book, if proof was needed that the 'teh-code-is-teh-spec' approach is fundamentally braindamaged, well, look no further
973686;1421020207;mircea_popescu;<sgornick> First, gotta get some vocabulary simplified.  When we had the unplanned hard-fork March 2013, we had the protocol "pre-v0.8' and "v0.8" .   What do we call this protocol with the hard fork implemented vs. that without the hard fork (i.e., unchanged? ) << bitcoin vs gavincoin.
973687;1421020208;mircea_popescu;obviously.
973688;1421020222;mircea_popescu;inasmuch as the old thing is bitcoin, and the new thing some shit gavin made.
973689;1421020291;artifexd;Have we already passed the point of separation?  Is it possible that I have bitcoins that are actually gavincoins?
973690;1421020297;mircea_popescu;<sgornick> The (bdb) rule wasn't (widely) known before v0.8 caused the fork, but it was coded into v0.8.1. << it is technially correct to say that the 8.1. version is in fact more restrictive than the pre 8.0 version.
973691;1421020301;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 3739 @ 0.00084798 = 3.1706 BTC [+] {2} 
973692;1421020310;mircea_popescu;what people knew about it was important then, but is not really germane
973693;1421020314;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 7222 @ 0.00084836 = 6.1269 BTC [+] {4} 
973694;1421020319;mircea_popescu;artifexd nope.
973695;1421020322;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 7222 @ 0.00084836 = 6.1269 BTC [+] {4} 
973696;1421020339;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 7222 @ 0.00084836 = 6.1269 BTC [+] {4} 
973697;1421020341;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 7222 @ 0.00084836 = 6.1269 BTC [+] {4} 
973698;1421020342;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 7222 @ 0.00084836 = 6.1269 BTC [+] {4} 
973699;1421020343;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 7222 @ 0.00084836 = 6.1269 BTC [+] {4} 
973700;1421020345;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 7222 @ 0.00084836 = 6.1269 BTC [+] {4} 
973701;1421020351;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 7222 @ 0.00084836 = 6.1269 BTC [+] {4} 
973702;1421020358;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 7222 @ 0.00084836 = 6.1269 BTC [+] {4} 
973703;1421020362;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 3483 @ 0.00084878 = 2.9563 BTC [+] {2} 
973704;1421020398;mircea_popescu;davout  if proof was needed that the 'teh-code-is-teh-spec' approach is fundamentally braindamaged, well, look no further <>< clearly. not to mention the recent ecdsa openssl debacle, which is pretty much exactly a replay of the bdb stuff. "oh, we included code but we had no idea what it does" sort of approach to code-is-spec specwork
973705;1421020738;davout;mircea_popescu: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=134318.msg1435904#msg1435904 <<< hearn, in reply to me: "because some parts of the protocol are directly exposed to underlying libraries like OpenSSL, you have to match their behaviour exactly as well, including all their bugs." https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=134318.msg1435904#msg1435904
973706;1421020739;assbot;Formalised Bitcoin Protocol Standard ... ( http://bit.ly/1y8H9n1 )
973707;1421020739;assbot;Formalised Bitcoin Protocol Standard ... ( http://bit.ly/1y8H9n5 )
973708;1421020769;davout;whoops, double link
973709;1421020787;davout;who could have predicted?
973710;1421020839;mircea_popescu;heh.
973711;1421020956;mircea_popescu;"This is how the max block size will be increased, hopefully with the same 2-year delay. By the time the change actually happens, everyone will be using a client with the new rules because that's the only type of client that will have been advertised on bitcoin.org and elsewhere for 2+ years. You'd have to go massively out of your way to download a version without the new rules."
973712;1421020957;mircea_popescu;derp.
973713;1421020973;mircea_popescu;the fake bitcoin foundation is going to make it for two years ? bwahahaha gimme a break.
973714;1421021269;mircea_popescu;Gavin educates, make his points and tries convince community without antagonizing anyone. Popescu is probably the biggest jerk in the community, and his flock are such a dickheads that I'd be happy to see them using separate chain just so they can circlejerk and pretend they are the kings of the crypto-word in their own sandbox. Anything they write is so repugnant, that it's just impossible to argue with them. It's fun
973715;1421021269;mircea_popescu;ny how they define "THE community" linking between blogs of handful of people.
973716;1421021288;mircea_popescu;dude, reddit really likes being educated, provided the "education" in question consists of telling them how great and important they are.
973717;1421021397;mircea_popescu;"However, I also expect Bitcoin to become a) more forgetful and think that b), there could be a systems that puts the burden of validating a transaction on the sender of the transaction instead of the network. So that maybe, maybe, in the more distant future, all that needs to be kept of the decentralized blockchain are the headers, which is less than a CD-ROM full of data for 100years."
973718;1421021398;mircea_popescu;:D
973719;1421021407;mircea_popescu;ahh all this exposure to that other community.
973720;1421021475;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33986 @ 0.00062101 = 21.1056 BTC [+] {3} 
973721;1421021482;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33986 @ 0.00062101 = 21.1056 BTC [+] {3} 
973722;1421021498;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33986 @ 0.00062101 = 21.1056 BTC [+] {3} 
973723;1421021500;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33986 @ 0.00062101 = 21.1056 BTC [+] {3} 
973724;1421021501;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33986 @ 0.00062101 = 21.1056 BTC [+] {3} 
973725;1421021502;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33986 @ 0.00062101 = 21.1056 BTC [+] {3} 
973726;1421021504;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33986 @ 0.00062101 = 21.1056 BTC [+] {3} 
973727;1421021510;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33986 @ 0.00062101 = 21.1056 BTC [+] {3} 
973728;1421021517;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33986 @ 0.00062101 = 21.1056 BTC [+] {3} 
973729;1421021521;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33986 @ 0.00062101 = 21.1056 BTC [+] {3} 
973730;1421021553;adlai;what if satoshi sells on the original chain
973731;1421021561;adlai;(directed by m night shamalayan)
973732;1421021574;mircea_popescu;"Dude that runs Mpex is a crazy narcissist that happened to get rich (if he cashed out) from being an early adopter. I think the MPEX buy-in was 10k coins just for a seat at the table even after the price hit $30. He also just consented to a $50k fine from the SEC for selling unregistered securities."
973733;1421021576;mircea_popescu;o.O
973734;1421021602;mircea_popescu;adlai yeah, all this "satoshi this satoshi that" will be heard until the 1mn hoard quietly splits one night.
973735;1421021629;mircea_popescu;then it sudden;y won't ever be a topic mentioned again by the ~500 or so fake reddit accounts working at creating "consensus" of "the community"
973736;1421021661;kakobrekla;no he didnt cash out, he is still poor.
973737;1421021669;kakobrekla;o wait this isnt the forum
973738;1421021724;mircea_popescu;ima ask the sec to give me 50k i apparently paid them ?
973739;1421021731;BigBitz;SEC. lol.
973740;1421021732;mircea_popescu;brb where's that email address...
973741;1421021734;mircea_popescu;"This guy owns enough BTC to crash the price to 0 on the fork if it develops. Basically imagine launching an altcoin that starts out with the current blockchain as genesis. Then imagine a huge holder acting to destroy this altcoin to protect the original Bitcoin."
973742;1421021736;BigBitz;in Romania. LOL.
973743;1421021804;mircea_popescu;"This is one of the shittiest pieces of fear mongering I've ever read. Hard forking is and should be a natural and regular occurance and never has any hard fork ever threatened the block chain. It's called natural selection. Have a little faith in the educated masses"
973744;1421021805;mircea_popescu;dude...
973745;1421021825;mircea_popescu;reddit is actually pretty great lulz
973746;1421022024;cazalla;easter eggs on shelves here in australia and it's only 2nd week of january lol
973747;1421022032;mircea_popescu;ew
973748;1421022039;mircea_popescu;how long are those supposed to keep
973749;1421022045;cazalla;forever i think
973750;1421022354;mircea_popescu;sounds unappetizing
973751;1421022450;kakobrekla;you dont actually eat them.
973752;1421022465;davout;cazalla: not very surprising coming from a people that sells oysters already opened
973753;1421022491;davout;oysters. they're opened. right.
973754;1421022513;mircea_popescu;lol
973755;1421022525;mircea_popescu;plenty o\f restaurants bring them open to the table tho
973756;1421022538;davout;that's even a worse offense to humanity than vegemite and the australian accent combined
973757;1421022573;mircea_popescu;da fuck is vegemite
973758;1421022574;decimation;yeah in the us it is common to get oysters seved open
973759;1421022586;decimation;it's the shit at the bottom of a beer barrel after fermentation is done
973760;1421022586;davout;mircea_popescu: of course, i'm speaking about stores, where the oysters are presented like that
973761;1421022596;mircea_popescu;o lordy.
973762;1421022606;mircea_popescu;davout ever showed you the alleged "salmon" that was jet black ?
973763;1421022633;davout;god forbid you confuse vegemite for nutella. YOU'RE GONNA HAVE A BAD TIME
973764;1421022634;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17179 @ 0.00062638 = 10.7606 BTC [+] {2} 
973765;1421022641;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17179 @ 0.00062638 = 10.7606 BTC [+] {2} 
973766;1421022657;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27650 @ 0.00062835 = 17.3739 BTC [+] {3} 
973767;1421022659;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27650 @ 0.00062835 = 17.3739 BTC [+] {3} 
973768;1421022660;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27650 @ 0.00062835 = 17.3739 BTC [+] {3} 
973769;1421022661;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27650 @ 0.00062835 = 17.3739 BTC [+] {3} 
973770;1421022663;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27650 @ 0.00062835 = 17.3739 BTC [+] {3} 
973771;1421022665;davout;mircea_popescu: that sort of rings a bell, was that in bsas? i kind of remember you mentioning some sort of cheese too
973772;1421022669;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27650 @ 0.00062835 = 17.3739 BTC [+] {3} 
973773;1421022673;mircea_popescu;yeah it was
973774;1421022676;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27650 @ 0.00062835 = 17.3739 BTC [+] {3} 
973775;1421022680;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27650 @ 0.00062835 = 17.3739 BTC [+] {3} 
973776;1421022694;decimation;https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vegemite <<
973777;1421022695;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10471 @ 0.00063159 = 6.6134 BTC [+]
973778;1421022696;assbot;Vegemite - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ... ( http://bit.ly/1A6ooio )
973779;1421022696;decimation;Vegemite (/ˈvɛdʒɨmaɪt/ VEJ-ə-myt)[2][3] is a dark brown Australian food paste made from leftover brewers' yeast extract with various vegetable and spice additives developed by Cyril P. Callister in Melbourne, Victoria, in 1922.[4] A popular spread for sandwiches, toast, crumpets and cracker biscuits as well as a filling for pastries, Vegemite is similar to British, New Zealand and South African Marmite, Australian Promite,
973780;1421022697;decimation;Swiss Cenovis and German Hefeextrakt.
973781;1421022702;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10471 @ 0.00063159 = 6.6134 BTC [+]
973782;1421022719;decimation;mmm bread with yeast shit on top
973783;1421022732;davout;a filling. for pastries.
973784;1421022748;davout;wtf
973785;1421022779;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28950 @ 0.0006145 = 17.7898 BTC [-]
973786;1421022781;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28950 @ 0.0006145 = 17.7898 BTC [-]
973787;1421022782;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28950 @ 0.0006145 = 17.7898 BTC [-]
973788;1421022783;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28950 @ 0.0006145 = 17.7898 BTC [-]
973789;1421022785;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28950 @ 0.0006145 = 17.7898 BTC [-]
973790;1421022791;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28950 @ 0.0006145 = 17.7898 BTC [-]
973791;1421022798;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28950 @ 0.0006145 = 17.7898 BTC [-]
973792;1421022802;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28950 @ 0.0006145 = 17.7898 BTC [-]
973793;1421022810;decimation;in france they fill pastries with almond paste; in australia, with yeast shit
973794;1421022817;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 75770 @ 0.00060258 = 45.6575 BTC [-] {5} 
973795;1421022824;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 98770 @ 0.00059821 = 59.0852 BTC [-] {6} 
973796;1421022840;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 91686 @ 0.00058866 = 53.9719 BTC [-] {10} 
973797;1421022842;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 91686 @ 0.00058866 = 53.9719 BTC [-] {10} 
973798;1421022843;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 91686 @ 0.00058866 = 53.9719 BTC [-] {10} 
973799;1421022844;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 91686 @ 0.00058866 = 53.9719 BTC [-] {10} 
973800;1421022846;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 91686 @ 0.00058866 = 53.9719 BTC [-] {10} 
973801;1421022852;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 91686 @ 0.00058866 = 53.9719 BTC [-] {10} 
973802;1421022859;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 91686 @ 0.00058866 = 53.9719 BTC [-] {10} 
973803;1421022863;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 91686 @ 0.00058866 = 53.9719 BTC [-] {10} 
973804;1421022878;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 44866 @ 0.00058183 = 26.1044 BTC [-] {6} 
973805;1421022885;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21866 @ 0.00057975 = 12.6768 BTC [-] {5} 
973806;1421022887;davout;decimation: tbh the almond pastry thing is usually bakeries recycling yesterday's pastries
973807;1421022900;mircea_popescu;i think that may actually be required for people with no better source of b complex / colon flora
973808;1421022937;davout;"oh that croissant from yesterday is hard? let's just soak it in that delicious milk+almonds thing and sell it under a different name" delicious nonetheless
973809;1421022944;mircea_popescu;well either that or shit transplant from europeans
973810;1421022947;decimation;heh interesting, didn't know that
973811;1421022958;decimation;mircea_popescu: yeah that's a good theory
973812;1421022996;decimation;gut flora are probably more important than we know
973813;1421023020;davout;https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=919629.msg10119424#msg10119424 "Devs, Miners, Traders: they are the three branches of Bitcoin Government. They check and balance each other. Traders and miners have ruled too long. Their power is waning. It's time for devs to bring hope and change to the Bitcoin community. Then we can come back stronger."
973814;1421023020;assbot;Fork off ... ( http://bit.ly/17yejE3 )
973815;1421023020;mircea_popescu;we kinda know...
973816;1421023033;mircea_popescu;lolwut
973817;1421023127;davout;the interesting in this bit is that if you s/devs/power rangers/ it works just as fucking well, if not better
973818;1421023159;mircea_popescu;quite stable this abstract grammar.
973819;1421023248;davout;what ?
973820;1421023395;mircea_popescu;whatever bitcointalk speaks, it's very stable.
973821;1421023399;mircea_popescu;resists transforms.
973822;1421023405;asciilifeform;'It's time for devs to bring hope and change to the Bitcoin community' << trololol!
973823;1421023413;asciilifeform;can any of these really be 'for real' ?
973824;1421023418;davout;oic
973825;1421023423;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform no but see ? lol
973826;1421023452;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 1840 @ 0.00081198 = 1.494 BTC [-] {8} 
973827;1421023453;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 2100 @ 0.00081098 = 1.7031 BTC [-] {10} 
973828;1421023456;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 2100 @ 0.00081098 = 1.7031 BTC [-] {10} 
973829;1421023458;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 2100 @ 0.00081098 = 1.7031 BTC [-] {10} 
973830;1421023468;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 2100 @ 0.00081098 = 1.7031 BTC [-] {10} 
973831;1421023470;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 2100 @ 0.00081098 = 1.7031 BTC [-] {10} 
973832;1421023471;mircea_popescu;i doubt it was ever in history the case that idiots supporting something did so much damage to it by its attempts at supporting it.
973833;1421023473;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 2100 @ 0.00081098 = 1.7031 BTC [-] {10} 
973834;1421023488;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 2100 @ 0.00081098 = 1.7031 BTC [-] {10} 
973835;1421023490;mircea_popescu;kinda a resplendent showcase of why one does not really want to be on the side of idiots.
973836;1421023495;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 2100 @ 0.00081098 = 1.7031 BTC [-] {10} 
973837;1421023511;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 1406 @ 0.0008056 = 1.1327 BTC [-] {6} 
973838;1421023572;mircea_popescu;s/its/their/
973839;1421023662;asciilifeform;"oh, we included code but we had no idea what it does" sort of approach to code-is-spec specwork << this is actually a very serious boojum, beyond what most realize. i'll give example.
973840;1421023695;mircea_popescu;i kinda think we realise...
973841;1421023696;asciilifeform;if you're doing crypto-whatever (e.g., 'gossipd') and you're gonna process signatures from pgp
973842;1421023716;asciilifeform;now have to decide 'OAEP' or 'PKCS#1' ?
973843;1421023726;asciilifeform;and how does your $library actually implement this
973844;1421023727;asciilifeform;etc
973845;1421023744;asciilifeform;imho this is the crevice where the remaining mice live, for the record.
973846;1421023758;oglafbot;http://oglaf.com/panacea/
973847;1421023759;assbot;panacea ... ( http://bit.ly/17ygd7L )
973848;1421023768;asciilifeform;idiotically complex solution to a quite simple problem, and there is no opting out if you want compatibility with anything
973849;1421023899;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform nah, all code statically linked.
973850;1421023905;mircea_popescu;everything gossipd uses is thereby forked and frozen.
973851;1421023910;asciilifeform;naturally
973852;1421023916;mircea_popescu;and that's that.
973853;1421023924;asciilifeform;that doesn't solve the mystery meat problem
973854;1421023935;mircea_popescu;it specifies the mystery meat is all.
973855;1421023997;*;asciilifeform was answering 'we included code but we had no idea what it does'
973856;1421024041;asciilifeform;do artifexd, mircea_popescu, (who else in there?) understand the 'oeap' or 'pkcs#1' routine that is to be used in 'gossip' ?
973857;1421024059;asciilifeform;just as one example
973858;1421024075;mircea_popescu;https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=919629.msg10118626#msg10118626 << fwiw, cooler heads seem to have caught on and are in danger of prevaling. which'll make this play out exactly as a mtgox 2.0 (i asked for tux' head on a platter in april, "community" protected him for a few months, i got head delivered february next. wonder if gavin makes it that long)_
973859;1421024076;assbot;Fork off ... ( http://bit.ly/17ygYxt )
973860;1421024096;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform the original complaint was more of a "we include names, do not know what code they stand for"
973861;1421024104;asciilifeform;hm.
973862;1421024107;mircea_popescu;slighjtly more egregious violation of same principle.
973863;1421024121;mircea_popescu;bvut the recent openss; ecdsa library issue ? it's because they pulled "ecdsa"
973864;1421024125;mircea_popescu;not specified code, just a name
973865;1421024127;mircea_popescu;code had changed.
973866;1421024156;asciilifeform;that kind of behaviour is more or less the same as asking for a, e.g., 'ld_preload attack' or the like.
973867;1421024206;mircea_popescu;quite.
973868;1421024233;mircea_popescu;but it's how they're bringing "hope and change" to bitcoin, or w/e it was they were bringing.
973869;1421024257;cazalla;<davout> cazalla: not very surprising coming from a people that sells oysters already opened <<< ever had Sydney rock oysters?
973870;1421024403;davout;cazalla: never. been to sydney only a couple of days, lived in melbourne for a while tho, where i witnessed the unspeakable horror of these oysters being sold already opened
973871;1421024447;cazalla;davout, well agreed there, i won't buy and eat them from fish market in melbourne but while living near Sydney, happy to shove as many down my gullet as possible
973872;1421024460;davout;they look pretty different from what i'm used to, pretty fat and appealing :D
973873;1421024494;decimation;asciilifeform: re: tieteixobactin << My outsider view is that microbiology has been more busy derping with 'computing dna' rather than actually studying microbes
973874;1421024578;BingoBoingo;decimation: And that's why the people who made the jump to culturing forest organisms in dirt found a useful.
973875;1421024594;cazalla;davout, in fact, Melbourne is all round pretty shit for seafood besides king george whiting
973876;1421024688;davout;no trouble beliebing that
973877;1421024788;danielpbarron;they are starting to call the real bitcoin "MPcoin"
973878;1421024840;mircea_popescu;lol
973879;1421024846;mircea_popescu;flattering huh.
973880;1421024894;mircea_popescu;"mp got bitcoin renamed in his honor by not doing things! now that's the true entrepreneurial spirit!"
973881;1421025228;assbot;Last 1 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/1T25PP9.txt )
973882;1421025228;BingoBoingo;!b 1
973883;1421025377;cazalla;;;rate -100000 davout__ doesn't like vegemite, attacks vegemite
973884;1421025377;gribble;Error: 'davout__' is not a valid integer.
973885;1421025411;mircea_popescu;no really this shit is beautiful. so, libertards that think they're part of bitcoin come up with the idea to fork bitcoin to make it moar libertardcoin. mp says "fu and your gavincoin". now, they do understand that leaving the issue as bitcoin vs gavincoin pretty much settles the propaganda angle.
973886;1421025416;cazalla;i'm not sure if there is anything better than butter soaked bread topped with an inch of vegemite
973887;1421025421;davout;;;rate -10000 cazalla__ lives upside down
973888;1421025421;gribble;Error: 'cazalla__' is not a valid integer.
973889;1421025431;mircea_popescu;so they'd rather it be mpcoin vs "bitcoin". except... if the gavincoin chain fails, this in effect renames bitcoin after me.
973890;1421025451;mircea_popescu;so their attempt to fork bitcoin escalated, because before they can in earnest get to that, they have to resolve a namefork
973891;1421025458;mircea_popescu;holy shit is postmodernity amusing.
973892;1421025466;BingoBoingo;It really is.
973893;1421025480;mircea_popescu;i wonder which way they end up solving it.
973894;1421025484;BingoBoingo;I'm surprised it took so long for the coin name for issue to resolve
973895;1421025490;mircea_popescu;ie, how soon do they concede defeat.
973896;1421025498;mircea_popescu;cuz it's hard!
973897;1421025573;BingoBoingo;Well, they are going to stop saying MP coin soon I imagine, because... They still base their idea of MP wealth on that dorky tortilla chart from god knows how long ago.
973898;1421025589;BingoBoingo;Not the handlers, but the muppets.
973899;1421025605;BingoBoingo;Or maybe the handlers too.
973900;1421025613;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 40150 @ 0.00053706 = 21.563 BTC [-] {3} 
973901;1421026149;BingoBoingo;!up soypirate
973902;1421026152;BingoBoingo;!up sinetek
973903;1421026158;BingoBoingo;https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/2s2yp1/is_bitpay_spending_too_much_9_employees_were_laid/cnlzirx << lol
973904;1421026161;assbot;zomg_pwn comments on Is Bitpay spending too much? 9 employees were laid off last week. ... ( http://bit.ly/1DzeWui )
973905;1421026345;artifexd;;;later tell nubbins` Do you have an common casascius coins you want to sell? I sold a dozen and would like to replace them.
973906;1421026346;gribble;The operation succeeded.
973907;1421026377;kakobrekla;how much?
973908;1421026418;artifexd;Me?
973909;1421026422;kakobrekla;yes
973910;1421026425;artifexd;2BTC each
973911;1421026458;artifexd;If I can replace them for 1.35BTC each (or less), I will.
973912;1421026480;kakobrekla;the brass is .35 when btc is 100 or 1000.
973913;1421026487;kakobrekla;pure brass.
973914;1421026493;artifexd;Yep
973915;1421026519;kakobrekla;or 1 btc for idijots.
973916;1421026560;artifexd;Pretty much.
973917;1421026650;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26265 @ 0.00053217 = 13.9774 BTC [-] {3} 
973918;1421026660;decimation;;;ticker
973919;1421026661;gribble;Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 266.89, Best ask: 267.49, Bid-ask spread: 0.60000, Last trade: 267.49, 24 hour volume: 12512.85539594, 24 hour low: 262.08, 24 hour high: 280.94, 24 hour vwap: 0
973920;1421026686;kakobrekla;266, previous top.
973921;1421026692;kakobrekla;gonner.
973922;1421026711;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22669 @ 0.00050355 = 11.415 BTC [-] {4} 
973923;1421027220;cazalla;lulz, poor krebs https://twitter.com/notchF/status/554433535579545600
973924;1421027222;assbot;Don't get smoked  http://t.co/GtXDUyOpCx
973925;1421027260;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16200 @ 0.00050323 = 8.1523 BTC [-]
973926;1421027463;BingoBoingo;Retard, that's not a bullet with the name on it that's just a fucking casing.
973927;1421027626;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26768 @ 0.00050323 = 13.4705 BTC [-]
973928;1421027703;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo seems qntra is doing pretty well these days huh
973929;1421027732;kakobrekla;lots of 'impressions' ? :)
973930;1421027791;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: Yeah. It really does. It's been a fight getting credibility from people on the fence. Took a few days for people to realize the BitPay layoff article wasn't bullshit.
973931;1421027853;mircea_popescu;aha
973932;1421027910;BingoBoingo;f3d1b8ad2e31887ad33695f3e58a4df946cf8020e6f98ce598528ba5d6583bd3
973933;1421027992;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23600 @ 0.00054405 = 12.8396 BTC [+] {2} 
973934;1421028297;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 1243 @ 0.0008275 = 1.0286 BTC [-] {6} 
973935;1421028419;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8800 @ 0.00054411 = 4.7882 BTC [+]
973936;1421028495;mircea_popescu;$depth s.qntr
973937;1421028497;empyex;mircea_popescu: [S.QNTR] Bids: 2000 @ 0.00015000 7089 @ 0.00013514 20000 @ 0.00012995 100000 @ 0.00009995
973938;1421028498;empyex;mircea_popescu: [S.QNTR] Asks: 50 @ 0.00017400 550 @ 0.00017500 50 @ 0.00030000
973939;1421028511;mircea_popescu;dat imbalance O.o
973940;1421028541;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 20 @ 0.10513001 = 2.1026 BTC [-]
973941;1421028603;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10000 @ 0.00054411 = 5.4411 BTC [+] {2} 
973942;1421029128;BingoBoingo;Wax sealing, making a comeback http://bitcoinwaxstamp.com/?product=the-pawn
973943;1421029131;assbot;The Pawn | Bitcoin Wax Stamp ... ( http://bit.ly/1xetcjA )
973944;1421030127;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23993 @ 0.00050323 = 12.074 BTC [-]
973945;1421030386;BingoBoingo;https://twitter.com/BBoingo/status/554465983768039424
973946;1421030388;assbot;. /btc_feed Really you aren't going to cite the source http://t.co/j5ClkrUzCo you quote in your layoffs article http://t.co/firoaZwLPP
973947;1421030419;BingoBoingo;^ San Francisco Ethics
973948;1421030795;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo shameful.
973949;1421031164;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11700 @ 0.00051462 = 6.0211 BTC [+]
973950;1421031412;asciilifeform;re: fork wars << i find it strange that the phoundation folks are derping around with block size, etc. rather than shooting for straight dekulakization.
973951;1421031428;mircea_popescu;this is just as good, if it passed.
973952;1421031434;asciilifeform;or is this more of a 'camel's nose' affair
973953;1421031466;kakobrekla;my guess is nobody really knows what the actual fuck is going on.
973954;1421031479;thestringpuller;BingoBoingo: you know. we used to have a "no alcohol on sunday" policy.
973955;1421031502;thestringpuller;used to not affect, me. Today, I'm like "Sweet time to get beer".
973956;1421031509;asciilifeform;what even is the point of gigantic blocks ?
973957;1421031516;mircea_popescu;kakobrekla quite certain you're right
973958;1421031540;BingoBoingo;<asciilifeform> what even is the point of gigantic blocks ? << More pretend businesses for the Mr Spamzors
973959;1421031543;*;kakobrekla beats sexyginger.
973960;1421031551;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform you understand what the bloom filters thing is supposed to do AFTER that right ?
973961;1421031562;asciilifeform;i can guess.
973962;1421031578;mircea_popescu;so then ? huge instablocks, miners running into the disaster of textile
973963;1421031600;mircea_popescu;"a well, bitcoin was a great idea, unfortunately it failed. clearly ron paul can't win office"
973964;1421031692;BingoBoingo;thestringpuller: Things happen
973965;1421031713;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 65150 @ 0.00053569 = 34.9002 BTC [+] {3} 
973966;1421031858;mircea_popescu;thestringpuller btw, how does it feel to like hit it with article ?
973967;1421031888;thestringpuller;Meh. Can I go into hiding like hanbot now?
973968;1421031945;mircea_popescu;lol
973969;1421031949;mircea_popescu;getting hassled ?
973970;1421032026;mircea_popescu;"An as yet unknown1 individual or group has taken up the mantle of DPR and launched the next iteration of the Silk Road marketplace, but this time around it's not accessible via Tor."
973971;1421032027;mircea_popescu;heh.
973972;1421032085;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: where was this ?
973973;1421032103;thestringpuller;mircea_popescu: So, I'm a big Dave Chappelle fan. Anyhow when he got heckled and ragequitting off stage during one of his last stand up shows he came back out and said something to the audience: "You know why my show is good? Because the network officials say you're not smart enough to get what I'm doing, and every day I fight for you. I tell them how smart you are. Turns out, I was wrong. You people are stupid." This is how I
973974;1421032131;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform qntra
973975;1421032148;mircea_popescu;thestringpuller i recall that.
973976;1421032183;mircea_popescu;Basically they fired the guy who blew $1.5Million and only 5 Transactions (probably sub $10) to show for it.
973977;1421032184;mircea_popescu;BitPay will soon be dead. They probably make $1000 per month revenue and burn around $500K.
973978;1421032189;mircea_popescu;wait.... reddit no longer loves bitpay ?
973979;1421032195;mircea_popescu;that leaves what, propping the scam foundation ?
973980;1421032207;mircea_popescu;no, fred wilson on twitter isn't it. i mean business.
973981;1421032271;mircea_popescu;"I think the bigger issue is that Bitpay doesn't have a long term business model. Even assuming that Bitcoin adoption grows, transfer of Bitcoin to fiat is a programmable function. People will immediately cut out the middle man if it becomes less expensive, and its a bit of a race to the bottom as people compete in the space for the best rates, quickest conversion and most apis."
973982;1421032273;mircea_popescu;heh.
973983;1421032277;mircea_popescu;no moat, eh ? aww.
973984;1421032336;mircea_popescu;https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/2s2yp1/is_bitpay_spending_too_much_9_employees_were_laid/cnm0n9q << if anyone wants to point out to bruce fenton that http://mpex.ws/?mpsic=D.BPAY isn't selling worth a crap. and it's damned cheap too.
973985;1421032338;assbot;bruce_fenton comments on Is Bitpay spending too much? 9 employees were laid off last week. ... ( http://bit.ly/1IDpff9 )
973986;1421032338;assbot;D.BPAY last 2@0.23999999 ... ( http://bit.ly/1IDpgQf )
973987;1421032467;hanbot;ty!
973988;1421032506;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7833 @ 0.00050297 = 3.9398 BTC [-] {2} 
973989;1421032511;cazalla;mircea_popescu, done
973990;1421032528;hanbot;<thestringpuller> how did you not have a stroke while in the trenches of super retardism? << what matters are facts; doesn't matter how often idiocy is repeated by idiots, or how exotic it gets. also, cold showers.
973991;1421032588;hanbot;lol mircea_popescu http://www.reddit.com/r/Buttcoin/comments/2s23ap/the_womans_job_is_to_find_a_great_man_not_good_by/
973992;1421032590;assbot;"The woman's job is to find a great man (not good, by the way), suck his cock, wash his socks and write his eulogy." Bitcoin thought leader Mircea Popescu enlightens. : Buttcoin ... ( http://bit.ly/1y1yuV1 )
973993;1421032609;mircea_popescu;awww, internets no like eulogy talk ?
973994;1421032676;hanbot;i guess it's more fun to play unobservant psych undergrad than to think.
973995;1421032997;mircea_popescu;hanbot i wonder how many of these milktoothed experts of letters and matters even understands what the sockwashing reference is.
973996;1421033004;mircea_popescu;judging by teh arguments, i guess now.
973997;1421033006;mircea_popescu;not*
973998;1421033313;hanbot;judging by the arguments, i'd be surprised if the thing was read beyond the title's first nine words.
973999;1421033503;mircea_popescu;i guess that also.
974000;1421033597;BingoBoingo;lulz!!! http://www.vox.com/2015/1/10/7521819/sanders-mmt-kelton
974001;1421033598;assbot;Bernie Sanders opens a new front in the battle for the future of the Democratic Party - Vox ... ( http://bit.ly/1y1BKzS )
974002;1421033648;mircea_popescu;o.O
974003;1421034149;mircea_popescu;http://bitbet.us/bet/1097/ltc-to-top-one-bitcent-before-march/
974004;1421034150;assbot;BitBet - LTC to top one bitcent before March :: 0.04 B (4%) on Yes, 1.06 B (96%) on No | closing in 1 month 1 week| weight: 93`098 (100`000 to 1) ... ( http://bit.ly/1wNBVdw )
974005;1421034157;mircea_popescu;25:1. i guess not huh.
974006;1421034275;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6244 @ 0.00050427 = 3.1487 BTC [+] {2} 
974007;1421034418;*;asciilifeform still waiting for 'slavecoin'
974008;1421034512;mircea_popescu;proof of cum ?
974009;1421034532;[\\\];is there a cumcoin yet?
974010;1421034594;mircea_popescu;not afaik
974011;1421035016;BingoBoingo;!up undata
974012;1421035021;BingoBoingo;!up Tiraspol
974013;1421035023;undata;BingoBoingo: ty sir
974014;1421035253;undata;I should script auth better instead of doing it by hand like a derp each time.
974015;1421035268;BingoBoingo;Nah
974016;1421035268;undata;but eh, bouncer makes me lazy
974017;1421035321;BingoBoingo;!up bitstein
974018;1421035369;hanbot;<mircea_popescu> hanbot i wonder how many of these milktoothed experts of letters and matters even understands what the sockwashing reference is. << is it that bogart-bacall in the desert episode?
974019;1421035396;mircea_popescu;african queen yup
974020;1421035617;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5500 @ 0.00051548 = 2.8351 BTC [+]
974021;1421036005;thestringpuller;damn that's a good movie
974022;1421036011;thestringpuller;the d00d from maltese falcon and shit
974023;1421036027;thestringpuller;that guy was a dynamic actor.
974024;1421036105;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 38878 @ 0.00050292 = 19.5525 BTC [-]
974025;1421036125;mircea_popescu;kinda so-so, that one. to have and have not, the big sleep, stuff like that rather.
974026;1421036142;thestringpuller;the big sleep had some dope "slang"
974027;1421036146;mircea_popescu;hepburn's outright annoying as a love interest.
974028;1421036159;mircea_popescu;she does a splendid eleanor of aquitanie and generally dowager roles,
974029;1421036165;mircea_popescu;but i don't see anyone'd ever want to fuck her.
974030;1421036169;thestringpuller;not as annoying as marilyn monroe in some like it hot :P
974031;1421036181;mircea_popescu;what, dumb blonde to perfection.
974032;1421036194;thestringpuller;maybe I'm just not into the dumb blonde type!
974033;1421036217;mircea_popescu;i guess my very heavy "not a whore, not a woman" bias is showing.
974034;1421036410;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5888 @ 0.00051548 = 3.0351 BTC [+]
974035;1421036593;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 2068 @ 0.00081965 = 1.695 BTC [-] {2} 
974036;1421037997;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13458 @ 0.00051851 = 6.9781 BTC [+]
974037;1421039094;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27600 @ 0.00051373 = 14.1789 BTC [-]
974038;1421039217;BingoBoingo;https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/2s2yp1/is_bitpay_spending_too_much_9_employees_were_laid/cnm7rwk
974039;1421039219;assbot;um_ya comments on Is Bitpay spending too much? 9 employees were laid off last week. ... ( http://bit.ly/1B8frJJ )
974040;1421039304;cazalla;that is funny considering the timing of the article on trilema other day lol
974041;1421039338;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 77450 @ 0.00051754 = 40.0835 BTC [+] {2} 
974042;1421039404;BingoBoingo;It really is
974043;1421039461;danielpbarron;lol ya, my redditvote made the qntra comment go to the top
974044;1421039467;BingoBoingo;lol
974045;1421039479;danielpbarron;weew i made hope and change happen
974046;1421039599;BingoBoingo;I still doesn't look like one of the many crap spewing anuses pretending to news because of forgoing bootstrap is not a design virtue.
974047;1421039633;*;asciilifeform failed to parse this sentence ^
974048;1421039728;BingoBoingo;Coindesk for axample is an anus. It looks like it uses Bootstrap (mobile first design turd). I dunno how visual difference between Qntra and an anus is not a net positive.
974049;1421040567;asciilifeform;http://nms.csail.mit.edu/spinal
974050;1421040568;assbot;Spinal Codes ... ( http://bit.ly/1B8lz4w )
974051;1421040588;*;asciilifeform annoyed, ^ remarkably similar to an idea he had been chewing on
974052;1421040789;mircea_popescu;lol
974053;1421040832;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform why's that annoying you ?
974054;1421040893;undata;qntra could have a media query to change the width on mobile.. just sayin
974055;1421040908;undata;I use an rss reader so it doesn't affect me either way
974056;1421040920;mircea_popescu;don't smartphones autoadjust ?
974057;1421040981;undata;mircea_popescu: yes, but as qntra has what appears to be a fixed pixel width it ends up with rather small fonts on mine
974058;1421040983;cazalla;mircea_popescu, Qntra is not perfect, at least not on an iphone but it's readable
974059;1421041008;mircea_popescu;cazalla prolly should get rid of absolute px specification in favour of %s
974060;1421041013;undata;I am otherwise totally unoffended by the minimalism
974061;1421041016;undata;mircea_popescu: yes
974062;1421041045;mircea_popescu;pretty much all browsers/platforms handle that well
974063;1421041046;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 2709 @ 0.00085 = 2.3027 BTC [+] {2} 
974064;1421041130;mircea_popescu;cazalla dude did you people get more reddit comments/votes today than sharesd ?
974065;1421041142;mircea_popescu;maybe qntra should pay dividends in social media crap.
974066;1421041157;thestringpuller;can i use karma to buy MPOE?
974067;1421041175;cazalla;yeah, lots of comments and feedback and bad advices
974068;1421041193;thestringpuller;at least gavin's enemies came out of the woodwork...
974069;1421041209;mircea_popescu;any substance to this "Tony "I Like Underage Girls" Gallippi" angle something awful's pushing ?
974070;1421041220;thestringpuller;yea
974071;1421041226;thestringpuller;cazalla has da full scoop on that
974072;1421041231;thestringpuller;it's old news tho I thought
974073;1421041239;cazalla;he was just the cameraman, what's the problem?!?!
974074;1421041249;thestringpuller;"cameraman" lol
974075;1421041254;mircea_popescu;fill me in ?
974076;1421041255;cazalla;actually, i don't know the full story, i think thestringpuller has that
974077;1421041264;thestringpuller;man this was months ago
974078;1421041277;thestringpuller;we were researching and found a few articles saying he was setting up underage girl shoots
974079;1421041283;thestringpuller;was technically legal, but sketchy as hell
974080;1421041287;thestringpuller;lemme see if I can do some digging
974081;1421041300;cazalla;mircea_popescu, he's allege to have run a glamourshots business but claimed he was only the cameraman, i dunno the facts tbh
974082;1421041308;mircea_popescu;i thought it was that other derp that got put away for something pedo related
974083;1421041323;mircea_popescu;some expert i wrote about at some point
974084;1421041329;thestringpuller;http://valleywag.gawker.com/the-bitcoin-broker-and-the-13-year-old-girl-in-the-biki-1563202590 << there we go
974085;1421041348;mircea_popescu;how is bitpay being run by a fucking cameraman
974086;1421041365;cazalla;how is it not?
974087;1421041387;mircea_popescu;heh i guess that's a point
974088;1421041401;mircea_popescu;soopermodels.com lol ok, i recall this now.
974089;1421041485;undata;dude can't even opsec his pedo-ing and he wants my coin
974090;1421041513;mircea_popescu;of course, all this wasn't exactly exceptional in 2002 or w/e.
974091;1421041516;asciilifeform;why's that annoying you << i have a heuristic for picking lines of inquiry that's heavily weighted against what i know other folks to be doing
974092;1421041528;asciilifeform;it makes life more interesting.
974093;1421041538;thestringpuller;^- so do vidya games
974094;1421041552;mircea_popescu;"Lets not forget the real paid shills on /r/bitcoin as well. The fuckwits who were paid to spread the usage of 'bit' as a unit. I wonder how much BitPay spent on that one." << that's a kinda funny one. yet another place where derps diverge from mp, derps fail & get burned, derps dun learn.
974095;1421041571;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform yeah but i mean... so it's great, less shit to worry about, someone else;s doing it.
974096;1421041576;mircea_popescu;i guess im just lazy.
974097;1421041592;thestringpuller;mircea_popescu: it's interesting to see some of the derps waking up and exiting the cave.
974098;1421041622;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu presumably does not say 'glad somebody else is doing this!' when sees gurl being ravished from long way away
974099;1421041627;mircea_popescu;"How much did the Bitcoin Bowl cost? Was it really worth sacrificing nine of your best and brightest?" << heh. once you put it like that, it burns.
974100;1421041637;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform if she likes it ? why not ?
974101;1421041643;mircea_popescu;i can't fuck em all god help me.
974102;1421041649;undata;!b3
974103;1421041651;asciilifeform;'why not' isn't quite the same as 'glad i don't have to!'
974104;1421041655;undata;bah I lose
974105;1421041668;mircea_popescu;ok, you got me there, but still.
974106;1421041798;BingoBoingo;http://i.kinja-img.com/gawker-media/image/upload/s--UsR7uNrs--/lj39ksnah0qe4csxhsri.gif
974107;1421041801;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1B8qYsm )
974108;1421041802;mircea_popescu;in unrelated news, im kinda blown away that the point that an eulogy's job is to illustrate how great the deceased was and how worthless the world by comparison is somehow controversial.
974109;1421041817;mircea_popescu;is this because reddit is too young to have given much thought to funerals etc ?
974110;1421041823;BingoBoingo;Prolly
974111;1421041841;mircea_popescu;but i mean... they're in literature too.
974112;1421041853;mircea_popescu;well, i guess not in o'reilly stuff. hm.
974113;1421041861;mircea_popescu;"an eulogy guide for dummies" ?
974114;1421041881;asciilifeform;do plebe funerals still have eulogies?
974115;1421041890;asciilifeform;or just an excavator, cement mixer, and some beer ?
974116;1421041917;BingoBoingo;"professional mourner"
974117;1421041929;BingoBoingo;Except promoted to Eulogies
974118;1421041933;asciilifeform;those date to at least babylon
974119;1421041945;BingoBoingo;Instead of merely sobbing
974120;1421041971;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform i've been to plenty of great ones.
974121;1421041996;mircea_popescu;tbh pleb funerals prolly beat fancypants funerals. tho maybe that doesn't hold in fake-usia
974122;1421042022;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28000 @ 0.00051373 = 14.3844 BTC [-]
974123;1421042028;asciilifeform;was specifically thinking of usa (where the reddit folks likely live)
974124;1421042046;mircea_popescu;never been to a funeral us side.
974125;1421042063;*;asciilifeform lives in usa for ~22 yrs but in a kind of cultural bubble, and not entirely certain how much of what he thinks of as civilization, remains intact there
974126;1421042208;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: blown away that the point that an eulogy's job is to illustrate how great the deceased was and how worthless the world by comparison is somehow controversial << their problem is with the second half of the sentence. which is, of course, entirely like disdaining one side of the battery
974127;1421042219;asciilifeform;'we don't need no minus terminal'
974128;1421042220;mircea_popescu;i guess i'm thinking more of stuff like http://jurnalul.ro/special-jurnalul/o-iubire-asa-de-mare-ucide-72900.html
974129;1421042221;assbot; "O iubire asa de mare ucide" ... ( http://bit.ly/1B8sQ4x )
974130;1421042235;mircea_popescu;(ballerina kills herself after her novelist husband dies)
974131;1421042247;mircea_popescu;the guy was pretty good, too, stefan augustin doinas.
974132;1421042309;mircea_popescu;http://www.romanianvoice.com/poezii/poezii/mistretul.php << "silver toothed boar"
974133;1421042310;assbot;Poezii Romanesti ... ( http://bit.ly/1B8t9MJ )
974134;1421042388;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17209 @ 0.00051379 = 8.8418 BTC [+] {2} 
974135;1421042411;asciilifeform;s/tooth/tusk ?
974136;1421042425;asciilifeform;tusk/tooth
974137;1421042430;mircea_popescu;yeah
974138;1421042446;mircea_popescu;shit, i'm translating this, it's just too good.
974139;1421042449;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17041 @ 0.0005282 = 9.0011 BTC [+] {2} 
974140;1421042531;mircea_popescu;otherwise, https://www.google.com.ar/search?q=site:trilema.com+colti+argint&complete=0
974141;1421042532;assbot;site:trilema.com colti argint - Buscar con Google ... ( http://bit.ly/1B8ubIu )
974142;1421042535;mircea_popescu;turns out it's a big deal.
974143;1421043242;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 36900 @ 0.00050618 = 18.678 BTC [-]
974144;1421043732;scoopbot;New post on Qntra.net by cazalla: http://qntra.net/2015/01/use-riseup-net-and-read-books-thats-a-paddlin/
974145;1421043981;BingoBoingo;!up asciilifeform Your connection seems iffy today. Is there a van waiting to take you on vacation?
974146;1421044003;ben_vulpes;hola
974147;1421044048;ben_vulpes;;;later tell hanbot ty, much appreciated
974148;1421044049;gribble;The operation succeeded.
974149;1421044088;BingoBoingo;!up asciilifeform Your connection seems iffy today. Is there a van waiting to take you on vacation?
974150;1421044100;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: dying hardware
974151;1421044127;BingoBoingo;Ah
974152;1421044153;thestringpuller;asciilifeform: don't get abducted. you say such amusing things. (No you don't amuse me like a clown. I do not view you as Joe Pesci)
974153;1421044276;BingoBoingo;Joe Pesci was not always a clown.
974154;1421044286;thestringpuller;not until home alone I suppose
974155;1421044509;*;asciilifeform ordered replacements but vendor does not offer 'teleporter' as shipment option unfortunately
974156;1421044797;ben_vulpes;<kakobrekla> [] how do other envision the future when reward goes towards 0. either a btc is worth half a planet or the fees amount per block go up a few orders of magnitude or network is dead << little bit of columns a and b
974157;1421044848;thestringpuller;you mean we'll be able to buy planets in the future?
974158;1421044856;thestringpuller;fuck buying an island.
974159;1421044864;ben_vulpes;hold on to your butt(coin)s!
974160;1421044879;thestringpuller;nighty night keep your butthole tight!
974161;1421044914;ben_vulpes;<benjamindees> [] Just consider that, when Satoshi said "gain a new territory of freedom for several years," he had a reason.  Bitcoin is not the end-all-be-all of systems.  Mining may not be a long-term solution.  But inflation is non-negotiable, regardless. << who are you again?
974162;1421044950;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 38366 @ 0.00050141 = 19.2371 BTC [-] {2} 
974163;1421045041;BingoBoingo;!up Alina-malina
974164;1421045489;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform http://trilema.com/2015/the-silver-tusked-boar/
974165;1421045490;assbot;The silver tusked boar pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.  ... ( http://bit.ly/1soGMp9 )
974166;1421046613;scoopbot;New post on Trilema by Mircea Popescu: http://trilema.com/2015/the-silver-tusked-boar/
974167;1421046677;undata;mircea_popescu: beautiful imagery in english; I'm sure the sound of it matches in romanian
974168;1421046705;mircea_popescu;i butchered it as far as everything but the imagery is concerned.
974169;1421046722;mircea_popescu;in romanian it's actually oyu know, like a poem, with rhyme and errything
974170;1421046738;undata;ha figured so
974171;1421046781;BingoBoingo;Usually how translation works
974172;1421046867;mircea_popescu;kinda, yeah. fucking impossible to make poetrywork in nonflexional languages.
974173;1421047094;[]bot;Bet placed: 1 BTC for No on "Russian Index MICEX to drop under 1000 before Feb 2015" http://bitbet.us/bet/1084/ Odds: 15(Y):85(N) by coin, 21(Y):79(N) by weight. Total bet: 6.79748981 BTC. Current weight: 32,007.
974174;1421047155;BingoBoingo;Among other things English can be condemned for English is incapable of Opera
974175;1421047190;mircea_popescu;but great for theatre
974176;1421047235;mircea_popescu;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wYgCjGYDoV8 << sound, actually.
974177;1421047236;assbot;Stefan Augustin Doinas - Mistretul cu colti de argint - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/14nJvUh )
974178;1421047292;BingoBoingo;Funny how that works.
974179;1421047794;BingoBoingo;How language shapes the form the work is best presented in
974180;1421048488;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8400 @ 0.00049779 = 4.1814 BTC [-]
974181;1421048915;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 1570 @ 0.00085 = 1.3345 BTC [+]
974182;1421049159;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 79400 @ 0.00049602 = 39.384 BTC [-] {4} 
974183;1421049769;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8668 @ 0.00048478 = 4.2021 BTC [-]
974184;1421050074;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9634 @ 0.00049923 = 4.8096 BTC [+]
974185;1421050173;mircea_popescu;$vwap F.DERP
974186;1421050174;empyex;mircea_popescu: F.DERP 1 day: average: 0.000033 high: 0.000033 low: 0.000033 volume: 1000 btc: 0.033 7 day: average: 0.000033 high: 0.000033 low: 0.000033 volume: 1000 btc: 0.033 30 day: average: 0.000033 high: 0.000033 low: 0.000033 volume: 1000 btc: 0.033
974187;1421050178;mircea_popescu;;)
974188;1421050437;BingoBoingo;Oh, listed at last
974189;1421050554;mircea_popescu;it'll be the lulz of all time if d.bpay is the first derp to bite it.
974190;1421050947;mircea_popescu;"And now in practical terms : there once existed this thing called NeoBee. It pretended to be a Bitcoin business, but inasmuch as its purported CEO was not in #bitcoin-assets, it never stood a chance. This is a point oft neglected, but by far the best predictor of success or failure in the Bitcoin space : that channel is where the industry meets. If a purported business is not well represented in there, it is not well
974191;1421050947;mircea_popescu;represented in the future, either."
974192;1421050959;mircea_popescu;can bitpay survive its own absence here ?
974193;1421050964;mircea_popescu;time will tell!
974194;1421051301;davout;guten morgen
974195;1421051334;davout;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-01-2015#974054 <<< no qntra should simply do away with css when displayed on mobile
974196;1421051334;assbot;Logged on 12-01-2015 05:34:53; undata: qntra could have a media query to change the width on mobile.. just sayin
974197;1421051419;mircea_popescu;can't mobile drop css itself ?
974198;1421051431;fluffypony;you can just do it as a CSS media query
974199;1421051499;fluffypony;@media screen and (max-width: 640px) { /* all the qntra CSS goes here */ }
974200;1421051501;fluffypony;done
974201;1421051562;davout;yeah well, maybe
974202;1421051598;davout;my point is that i'm interested in the content, so as long as html is used sanely it should display in a meaningful way
974203;1421051642;davout;"can't mobile drop css itself ?" <<< yeah, that would solve it, but afaik there's no such feature :/
974204;1421051651;mircea_popescu;...
974205;1421051660;davout;on mobile i mean gosh
974206;1421051702;mircea_popescu;isn't that idiotic ?
974207;1421051743;davout;what? that there is no such feature on my mobile?
974208;1421051785;davout;the 'disable styles' thing is pretty useful even on desktops
974209;1421051828;davout;"too much bells and whistles? content unreadable? overlay?" fuck you
974210;1421051892;mircea_popescu;i just don' tsee how i'd use a browser w/o that
974211;1421052198;fluffypony;Mobile Safari has Reader mode for many pages, which is exactly that
974212;1421052229;BingoBoingo;Also... Qntra still for the forseeable future does full text in its RSS feed.
974213;1421052439;davout;fluffypony: aah, didn't think of that, reader mode is even somewhat smarter because it'll also detect the actual content and do away with the rest
974214;1421052443;davout;fluffypony: tyvm!
974215;1421052488;fluffypony;yep
974216;1421052494;fluffypony;uploading some screenies now
974217;1421052591;fluffypony;http://imgur.com/CbMsnge,pFZxM4b,4s9OZPh
974218;1421052593;assbot;                        imgur: the simple image sharer ... ( http://bit.ly/1DOMoKL )
974219;1421052601;fluffypony;that's what Qntra looks like in Reader mode
974220;1421052680;undata;davout: minimal is fine but I otherwise disagree; that one can go mad with CSS doesn't necessitate doing so
974221;1421052724;undata;but yeah as mentioned above I use Press on android so I don't see the styles
974222;1421052770;mircea_popescu;seems great to me
974223;1421052829;davout;or as saint steve jobs would put it "gorgeous"
974224;1421053042;cazalla;you make some good points mircea_popescu but the name calling.. http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/2s43j6/hard_fork_block_size_politics_do_we_want/
974225;1421053044;assbot;Hard fork block size politics: do we want decentralized digital gold, or just another Visa? : Bitcoin ... ( http://bit.ly/1DON8PY )
974226;1421053078;mircea_popescu;let then better men make the same better points without the name calling,
974227;1421053090;mircea_popescu;and be heard because i was there to make the points, and the name calling.
974228;1421053205;davout;what's with all the 'mp owns the bitcoin wiki'?
974229;1421053246;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3565 @ 0.00050288 = 1.7928 BTC [+]
974230;1421053257;mircea_popescu;i own everything.
974231;1421053303;BingoBoingo;I wonder if there is an MP is Thermos conspiracy brewing https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/2s3ij2/investigation_about_theymos/
974232;1421053306;assbot;Investigation about theymos : Bitcoin ... ( http://bit.ly/1yYwbUh )
974233;1421053309;mircea_popescu;"It seems to me the bitcoin exchanges and companies like Bitpay will have a large say in how this goes forward. "
974234;1421053321;mircea_popescu;derp. it seems to me "exchanges" rarely survive a straight year.
974235;1421053380;mircea_popescu;" I think Theymos has done an awesome service for the community in turning the forum into something of an institution rather than not just pocking hte funds."
974236;1421053385;mircea_popescu;ahahaha oh the epic of reddit.
974237;1421053482;punkman;"So I make over a million dollars, use this on things which are clearly intended to benefit the forum and the Bitcoin community instead of myself (even if you think the money could be better used elsewhere), and I get constantly attacked for it..."
974238;1421053516;cazalla;if only they stumbled across one of the first trilema's i came across.. boy and the tree which turns into a stump for the old man to sit on at the end
974239;1421053527;punkman;hah http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/2mei83/for_the_amount_of_money_that_theymos_is_paying/
974240;1421053530;assbot;For the amount of money that Theymos is paying for new forum software, we could run a bitcoin commercial during the Super Bowl. : Bitcoin ... ( http://bit.ly/1yYx27h )
974241;1421053566;punkman;"For the amount of money that Theymos is paying these four twenty-somethings to make forum software, he could employ Gavin Andresen full-time, six times over!"
974242;1421053576;punkman;six Gavins!
974243;1421053624;davout;cazalla: i liked this one
974244;1421053679;davout;if i was in a playful mood i'd hop over there and troll them with the payments i received for being a mod there
974245;1421053714;mircea_popescu;was this the phantom one man "corporation" he funneled the donations through ?
974246;1421053910;davout;what one man corp?
974247;1421053956;mircea_popescu;some SV thing he "hired" to redesign the forum
974248;1421054060;davout;ah yeah, i recall hearing of that, don't know much about it tho
974249;1421054094;mircea_popescu;it's somewhere on trilema too lazy to dig up.
974250;1421054172;davout;fuck, i used to think retardation was somewhat limited to the bitcoin sub reddit, looks like i was dead wrong http://i.imgur.com/tIfVOzL.jpg
974251;1421054173;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1yYzwme )
974252;1421054222;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 46271 @ 0.00050804 = 23.5075 BTC [+] {2} 
974253;1421054527;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33100 @ 0.00053552 = 17.7257 BTC [+] {3} 
974254;1421054531;BingoBoingo;http://www.slate.com/articles/arts/books/2015/01/minae_mizumura_s_the_fall_of_language_in_the_age_of_english_reviewed.html
974255;1421054533;assbot;Minae Mizumura’s The Fall of Language in the Age of English, reviewed. ... ( http://bit.ly/1DOQimF )
974256;1421054555;punkman;https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=881970.msg10086191#msg10086191
974257;1421054555;assbot;New forum? ... ( http://bit.ly/1DOQhzi )
974258;1421054917;punkman;http://i.imgur.com/50ls5oG.jpg
974259;1421054919;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1yYCjvN )
974260;1421056195;davout;BingoBoingo: nice read
974261;1421056272;davout;it occurs to me that there's a rather trivial way to split gavincoins from bitcoins other than randomly attempting a double-spend, simply include some coinbase-tainted coins in your tx after the fork has occurred
974262;1421056967;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26105 @ 0.0005136 = 13.4075 BTC [-] {2} 
974263;1421057090;BingoBoingo;http://www.epa.gov/region09/superfund/navajo-nation/index.html
974264;1421057091;assbot;Addressing Uranium Contamination on the Navajo Nation | Superfund | Pacific Southwest | US EPA ... ( http://bit.ly/1yajkv9 )
974265;1421057333;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24100 @ 0.00050288 = 12.1194 BTC [-]
974266;1421057577;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2277 @ 0.00052165 = 1.1878 BTC [+]
974267;1421057821;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17893 @ 0.00054412 = 9.7359 BTC [+]
974268;1421058554;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 49750 @ 0.00054415 = 27.0715 BTC [+] {2} 
974269;1421059407;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17250 @ 0.00054591 = 9.4169 BTC [+] {2} 
974270;1421060383;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30550 @ 0.00054984 = 16.7976 BTC [+] {2} 
974271;1421063433;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16200 @ 0.00053276 = 8.6307 BTC [-] {2} 
974272;1421066849;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 44350 @ 0.00055256 = 24.506 BTC [+] {3} 
974273;1421067764;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 41791 @ 0.0005573 = 23.2901 BTC [+]
974274;1421068740;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31755 @ 0.0005573 = 17.6971 BTC [+]
974275;1421069167;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20519 @ 0.0005586 = 11.4619 BTC [+] {2} 
974276;1421069228;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14781 @ 0.00056226 = 8.3108 BTC [+] {2} 
974277;1421069472;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 37850 @ 0.00056587 = 21.4182 BTC [+] {3} 
974278;1421070808;fluffypony;http://www.coindesk.com/5-cryptocurrency-caricatures-youll-meet-rbitcoin/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+CoinDesk+%28CoinDesk+-+The+Voice+of+Digital+Currency%29
974279;1421070809;assbot;5 Cryptocurrency Caricatures You'll Meet on r/Bitcoin - CoinDesk ... ( http://bit.ly/17A752h )
974280;1421071081;adlai;why so tracky?
974281;1421071547;fluffypony;adlai: pasted from NewsBlur, forgot to snip the URL
974282;1421071973;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 60043 @ 0.00056854 = 34.1368 BTC [+] {3} 
974283;1421072095;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 55514 @ 0.00054843 = 30.4455 BTC [-] {3} 
974284;1421072462;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 4946 @ 0.00084899 = 4.1991 BTC [-] {3} 
974285;1421073653;fluffypony;http://www.theregister.co.uk/2015/01/12/one_direction_attack_open_source_conference/
974286;1421073654;assbot;Boybanders ONE DIRECTION launch DoS attack on open-source bods • The Register     ... ( http://bit.ly/1A7UsT1 )
974287;1421073654;fluffypony;lol
974288;1421074897;mircea_popescu;fluffypony is that the derp that was hanging out here, aiming for publicity ?
974289;1421074945;fluffypony;mircea_popescu: which one?
974290;1421074949;mircea_popescu;davout: it occurs to me that there's a rather trivial way to split gavincoins from bitcoins other than randomly attempting a double-spend, simply include some coinbase-tainted coins in your tx after the fork has occurred << this is true but it only works after you got some split.
974291;1421074952;mircea_popescu;fluffypony the ddos guy
974292;1421074964;fluffypony;lol
974293;1421074971;fluffypony;I have nfi
974294;1421074979;mircea_popescu;"o noes, bitcoin-assets didn't care, let's see if there's barely stable aspie boys somewhere else"
974295;1421075016;mircea_popescu;http://www.slate.com/content/dam/slate/articles/arts/books/2015/01/SBR/ILLOS/141216_BOOKS_Minae-illo.jpg.CROP.promovar-mediumlarge.jpg << haven't read the article but that image is especially imbecillic.
974296;1421075018;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1A7XtTb )
974297;1421075043;mircea_popescu;i guess the url makes my poitn for me.
974298;1421075144;mircea_popescu;cazalla https://www.quantcast.com/qntra.net << heh o noes. fire all the women!
974299;1421075145;assbot;                  Qntra.net Traffic and Demographic Statistics by Quantcast                   ... ( http://bit.ly/1G33Fky )
974300;1421075873;thestringpuller;cazalla https://www.quantcast.com/qntra.net << congratulations qntra. 10k global page views in 1 mo. Baby, we major.
974301;1421075895;mircea_popescu;http://www.reddit.com/user/mitchwells << this guy's pretty lulzy. a lot of work so obviously tons of forced stuff, but anyway.
974302;1421075897;assbot;overview for mitchwells ... ( http://bit.ly/1A7Zwql )
974303;1421076121;mircea_popescu;http://i.imgur.com/HvfIFjs.png this sorta lulz.
974304;1421076122;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1A7ZZJd )
974305;1421076143;thestringpuller;mircea_popescu: can bitpay survive its own absence here ? << they'll eventually send an official emmissary.
974306;1421076152;mircea_popescu;heh.
974307;1421076191;thestringpuller;i think the layoffs article has started a witch hunt tho, which is never really healthy.
974308;1421076274;mircea_popescu;it is also why you never rely on the horde for stuff.
974309;1421076336;mircea_popescu;"Bitcoin Needs a Viral Positive "Pay-it-forward" Campaign"
974310;1421076357;mircea_popescu;you know, doge dieing sucks because all these fucktards are now misrepresenting themsleves as involved with bitcoin
974311;1421076367;mircea_popescu;can't someone make a cute cat coin or something ?
974312;1421077931;thestringpuller;We want both. And there's no reason we can't have both. << i want to be rich and poor
974313;1421077999;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 50077 @ 0.00053068 = 26.5749 BTC [-] {5} 
974314;1421078000;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 50077 @ 0.00053068 = 26.5749 BTC [-] {5} 
974315;1421078011;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 50077 @ 0.00053068 = 26.5749 BTC [-] {5} 
974316;1421078012;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 50077 @ 0.00053068 = 26.5749 BTC [-] {5} 
974317;1421078013;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 50077 @ 0.00053068 = 26.5749 BTC [-] {5} 
974318;1421078018;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 50077 @ 0.00053068 = 26.5749 BTC [-] {5} 
974319;1421078020;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 50077 @ 0.00053068 = 26.5749 BTC [-] {5} 
974320;1421078022;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 50077 @ 0.00053068 = 26.5749 BTC [-] {5} 
974321;1421078023;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 50077 @ 0.00053068 = 26.5749 BTC [-] {5} 
974322;1421078026;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 50077 @ 0.00053068 = 26.5749 BTC [-] {5} 
974323;1421078031;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 50077 @ 0.00053068 = 26.5749 BTC [-] {5} 
974324;1421078037;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 50077 @ 0.00053068 = 26.5749 BTC [-] {5} 
974325;1421078039;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 50077 @ 0.00053068 = 26.5749 BTC [-] {5} 
974326;1421078621;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20500 @ 0.00054863 = 11.2469 BTC [+]
974327;1421078622;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20500 @ 0.00054863 = 11.2469 BTC [+]
974328;1421078623;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20500 @ 0.00054863 = 11.2469 BTC [+]
974329;1421078628;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20500 @ 0.00054863 = 11.2469 BTC [+]
974330;1421078630;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20500 @ 0.00054863 = 11.2469 BTC [+]
974331;1421078632;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20500 @ 0.00054863 = 11.2469 BTC [+]
974332;1421078633;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20500 @ 0.00054863 = 11.2469 BTC [+]
974333;1421078636;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20500 @ 0.00054863 = 11.2469 BTC [+]
974334;1421078641;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20500 @ 0.00054863 = 11.2469 BTC [+]
974335;1421078647;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20500 @ 0.00054863 = 11.2469 BTC [+]
974336;1421078649;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20500 @ 0.00054863 = 11.2469 BTC [+]
974337;1421078670;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20500 @ 0.00054863 = 11.2469 BTC [+]
974338;1421078671;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20500 @ 0.00054863 = 11.2469 BTC [+]
974339;1421079036;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34150 @ 0.00052756 = 18.0162 BTC [-]
974340;1421079037;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34150 @ 0.00052756 = 18.0162 BTC [-]
974341;1421079049;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34150 @ 0.00052756 = 18.0162 BTC [-]
974342;1421079049;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34150 @ 0.00052756 = 18.0162 BTC [-]
974343;1421079050;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34150 @ 0.00052756 = 18.0162 BTC [-]
974344;1421079055;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34150 @ 0.00052756 = 18.0162 BTC [-]
974345;1421079057;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34150 @ 0.00052756 = 18.0162 BTC [-]
974346;1421079059;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34150 @ 0.00052756 = 18.0162 BTC [-]
974347;1421079060;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34150 @ 0.00052756 = 18.0162 BTC [-]
974348;1421079063;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34150 @ 0.00052756 = 18.0162 BTC [-]
974349;1421079068;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34150 @ 0.00052756 = 18.0162 BTC [-]
974350;1421079069;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34150 @ 0.00052756 = 18.0162 BTC [-]
974351;1421079069;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34150 @ 0.00052756 = 18.0162 BTC [-]
974352;1421079069;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34150 @ 0.00052756 = 18.0162 BTC [-]
974353;1421079075;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34150 @ 0.00052756 = 18.0162 BTC [-]
974354;1421079077;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34150 @ 0.00052756 = 18.0162 BTC [-]
974355;1421080052;mircea_popescu;you clever boy you thestringpuller. i was just writing as to the stupidity of that.
974356;1421080512;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23226 @ 0.00054638 = 12.6902 BTC [+] {2} 
974357;1421080513;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23226 @ 0.00054638 = 12.6902 BTC [+] {2} 
974358;1421080514;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23226 @ 0.00054638 = 12.6902 BTC [+] {2} 
974359;1421080521;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23226 @ 0.00054638 = 12.6902 BTC [+] {2} 
974360;1421080523;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23226 @ 0.00054638 = 12.6902 BTC [+] {2} 
974361;1421080523;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23226 @ 0.00054638 = 12.6902 BTC [+] {2} 
974362;1421080524;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23226 @ 0.00054638 = 12.6902 BTC [+] {2} 
974363;1421080530;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23226 @ 0.00054638 = 12.6902 BTC [+] {2} 
974364;1421080532;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23226 @ 0.00054638 = 12.6902 BTC [+] {2} 
974365;1421080533;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23226 @ 0.00054638 = 12.6902 BTC [+] {2} 
974366;1421080533;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23226 @ 0.00054638 = 12.6902 BTC [+] {2} 
974367;1421080537;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23226 @ 0.00054638 = 12.6902 BTC [+] {2} 
974368;1421080538;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23226 @ 0.00054638 = 12.6902 BTC [+] {2} 
974369;1421080548;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23226 @ 0.00054638 = 12.6902 BTC [+] {2} 
974370;1421080561;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23226 @ 0.00054638 = 12.6902 BTC [+] {2} 
974371;1421080562;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23226 @ 0.00054638 = 12.6902 BTC [+] {2} 
974372;1421080566;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23226 @ 0.00054638 = 12.6902 BTC [+] {2} 
974373;1421080567;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23226 @ 0.00054638 = 12.6902 BTC [+] {2} 
974374;1421080865;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7750 @ 0.00055298 = 4.2856 BTC [+]
974375;1421080926;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 41651 @ 0.00055298 = 23.0322 BTC [+]
974376;1421081149;scoopbot;New post on Trilema by Mircea Popescu: http://trilema.com/2015/lets-address-even-more-of-the-more-common-pseudo-arguments-raised-by-the-very-stupid-people-that-like-the-gavin-scamcoin-proposal/
974377;1421081536;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19200 @ 0.00054878 = 10.5366 BTC [-] {2} 
974378;1421082305;thestringpuller;mircea_popescu: random: seems seeting cookies from mobile chrome doesn't work?
974379;1421082318;mircea_popescu;belongs in #chrome no ?
974380;1421082325;thestringpuller;XD
974381;1421082331;thestringpuller;well specifically your cookie
974382;1421082332;thestringpuller;:P
974383;1421082335;thestringpuller;but w/e
974384;1421082377;mircea_popescu;make sure you don't have two, make sure no www etc
974385;1421082444;thestringpuller;yea cleared cache on phone and reset cookie and it works
974386;1421082449;thestringpuller;glad I did the cookie method and not ip :P
974387;1421082774;mircea_popescu;"A friend told me Bitrush was giving away bitcoins and I thought, "What the hell!" I gave them my email and verified my account. Within 12 hours I received my first payout and have received many more since. Pretty nice of them and they even called me to make sure everything was going good for me. No one from any Bitcoin related company has ever called me before and I was amazed at the level of service for spending noth
974388;1421082774;mircea_popescu;ing."
974389;1421082777;mircea_popescu;da fuck is this thing.
974390;1421082780;mircea_popescu;!s bitrush
974391;1421082781;assbot;0 results for 'bitrush' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=bitrush
974392;1421082790;mircea_popescu;looks scammy as all hell.
974393;1421082801;mircea_popescu;Rob, Los Angeles
974394;1421082801;mircea_popescu;"I thought the Bitrush team was crazy for offering free bitcoins... until they actually showed up in my Blockchain wallet. These guys are nuts. Take advantage of it before they come to their senses!"
974395;1421082876;davout;guess nothing talks to idiots as much as scamming other idiots
974396;1421082912;davout;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-01-2015#974290 <<< not even, just point some cpu miner at eligius after the chain has forked, wait a bit, receive tainted payout directly from coinbase, profit
974397;1421082912;assbot;Logged on 12-01-2015 15:02:29; mircea_popescu: davout: it occurs to me that there's a rather trivial way to split gavincoins from bitcoins other than randomly attempting a double-spend, simply include some coinbase-tainted coins in your tx after the fork has occurred << this is true but it only works after you got some split.
974398;1421082937;davout;no need to get through the hassle of actually performing a double spend
974399;1421082959;davout;or creating a massive tx
974400;1421082978;davout;(for the purpose of double spending obv.)
974401;1421082982;mircea_popescu;davout yeah, it's not hard to do that's for sure.
974402;1421083016;mircea_popescu;course, the coinbase can't be spent for probably longer tha nthe chain will survive
974403;1421083029;mircea_popescu;it's really hard to evaluate theoretically which is the practical avenue
974404;1421083038;mircea_popescu;sort-of like trying to calculate the path lightning will take
974405;1421083123;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19900 @ 0.00055309 = 11.0065 BTC [+] {2} 
974406;1421083251;davout;mircea_popescu: yeah you have a point with the coinbase maturation delay
974407;1421083335;thestringpuller;anyone see this snippet quoting Gavin, "Normal people, stay away from Bitcoin."
974408;1421083348;davout;thestringpuller: yeah, it was in ft amirite
974409;1421083360;thestringpuller;very confused. wants more adoption, but wants majority to stay away?
974410;1421083488;mircea_popescu;"Gavin is, by and large, a mentally retarded doofus displaying a shocking amount of Dunning-Kruger syndrome in his assorted dabblings in economics and other hard fields."
974411;1421083530;thestringpuller;I was thinking more of the confused retarded kid who mistakingly got an inheritance.
974412;1421083642;thestringpuller;but that works too
974413;1421083658;mircea_popescu;its from the same place.
974414;1421083671;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31300 @ 0.00055636 = 17.4141 BTC [+]
974415;1421083915;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8650 @ 0.00053 = 4.5845 BTC [-]
974416;1421083928;davout;mircea_popescu: wrt point VIII : what would prevent bitpay from raising even more at an even higher valuation to keep supporting the vessenes foundation circus?
974417;1421083947;mircea_popescu;what's preventing you from doing it ?
974418;1421084198;mircea_popescu;besides the point.
974419;1421084210;mircea_popescu;what's preventing you from doing it to start an antelope farm
974420;1421084241;thestringpuller;davout: i can see the current leadership of bitpay being removed as a condition of VC investing more capital
974421;1421084254;mircea_popescu;there's a ton of bitpay exceptionalism / captn of industry-ism flooding out of reddit. in point of fact, bitpay is a struggling start-up that missed the boat.
974422;1421084267;mircea_popescu;you know those stats that keep going 9x% of start-ups fail in the first bla bla ?
974423;1421084282;mircea_popescu;well dare i ask what the fraction of startups NOT ON EXPONENTIAL GROWTH CURVE that fail is ?
974424;1421084285;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13961 @ 0.00054447 = 7.6013 BTC [+] {2} 
974425;1421084296;mircea_popescu;they missed december. apple can miss. once. maybe. bitpay can't miss.
974426;1421084320;mircea_popescu;acquihire is the only above water fate there.
974427;1421084851;davout;afaik the oldest entity in the bitcoin-sphere is btc-e
974428;1421084873;thestringpuller;the 4chan or bitcoin
974429;1421084889;mircea_popescu;stuff like the original blockchain inspector is still around.
974430;1421084905;davout;the russian exchange
974431;1421084937;mircea_popescu;ya
974432;1421084938;kakobrekla;isnt it Ukrainian
974433;1421084948;mircea_popescu;i recall, with the novacoin first premine scam thing
974434;1421084968;davout;kakobrekla: i think they're bulgarian
974435;1421084992;davout;mircea_popescu: hah yeah, forgot about that, notice how i mentioned an 'entity', not a 'company' :p
974436;1421085026;mircea_popescu;:p
974437;1421085034;mircea_popescu;also the wot, and a buncha other things
974438;1421085044;mircea_popescu;iirc btc-e is bulgarian yes
974439;1421085073;thestringpuller;mircea_popescu: "it is a resources contest, and you people ARE POOR" << As XZibit would say "What's the difference between me and you? About five bank accounts three ounces and two vehicles" Or this pretty picture http://s3.amazonaws.com/rapgenius/image210.jpg
974440;1421085076;mircea_popescu;forthat matter, bitcoin magazine is just as active as it always was
974441;1421085081;mircea_popescu;2015 number coming!!11
974442;1421085170;[]bot;Bet placed: 1 BTC for No on "Russian Index MICEX to drop under 1000 before Feb 2015" http://bitbet.us/bet/1084/ Odds: 13(Y):87(N) by coin, 19(Y):81(N) by weight. Total bet: 7.79748981 BTC. Current weight: 30,880.
974443;1421085396;mircea_popescu;lol
974444;1421085409;mircea_popescu;what's 3 oz refer to ?
974445;1421085528;thestringpuller;nugs
974446;1421085530;thestringpuller;;;ud nugs
974447;1421085531;gribble;http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Nug | cannabis bud that comes in nuggets of varying sizes. a sign of quality when it comes to bud; dank is almost always in this form, but nugs of mids are far less ...
974448;1421085564;mircea_popescu;oh. i thought either one of those gold chains or else cocaine
974449;1421085641;thestringpuller;mah gold chain so heavy i can't stand up straight
974450;1421085653;thestringpuller;the days of flava flav have passed
974451;1421085676;jurov;!mpif
974452;1421085677;assbot;BtcAlpha.com F.MPIF Tracker estimated NAV per share: 0.00021461 B (Total: 469.31 B). Delta: 0.11 B. Last trade for F.MPIF on MPEX was at 0.000205 BTC [+]
974453;1421085700;thestringpuller;wow. its holding its own.
974454;1421085709;mircea_popescu;http://staceyjayya.blogspot.co.uk/2015/01/transparency.html << why not start a kickstarter.
974455;1421085710;assbot;Stacey Jay, author: Transparency ... ( http://bit.ly/1BUyEP5 )
974456;1421085712;thestringpuller;this is like simcity irl
974457;1421085801;mircea_popescu;Discussing the role of the hype man in the book How to Rap, Royce da 5'9" describes how a hype man can contribute to a live performance: "a lot of my verses be so constant with the flow [that] I'd need somebody to help me."[4] Lateef adds: "You're gonna have to have somebody say something somewhere to give you a breath... usually it's just a matter of getting somebody to hit some line or some word in a line - that's al
974458;1421085802;mircea_popescu;l you really need."
974459;1421085837;mircea_popescu;no, actually, the hype man is an outgrowth of the shill in 3 card monte and such games, which is what all african entertainment is descended from. he's there to give an anchor to the viewer to identify with, and immitate.
974460;1421085855;mircea_popescu;he's the guy you immitate at the table, if you don't know how to eat at the table  and were told "just do what they do"
974461;1421085872;thestringpuller;gotta have a hype man
974462;1421085881;thestringpuller;that nigga dat goes, "OOOOOOooOOOoooh"
974463;1421085885;thestringpuller;preferably multiples
974464;1421085896;thestringpuller;they also are good for stuff like
974465;1421085902;thestringpuller;;;google ayo shut the fuck up
974466;1421085903;gribble;Ayo! Shut the fuck up - YouTube: <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mgIlTyCiVYQ>; AYO - YouTube: <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2dym8RU4U3o>; Shut the fuck up - YouTube: <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zLIrpWb9VNk>
974467;1421085935;mircea_popescu;right.
974468;1421086310;mircea_popescu;Ooof, this article hit a bit too close to home for me.
974469;1421086310;mircea_popescu;Up to probably three or four years ago, I would absolutely be that self-hating nerd Chu is talking about. Generally, I'm not that good looking. I'm fat in a bunch of weird places, tall, and pretty much just strange to look at. For most of my life, I was bullied, and even at 23 years old, I still experience a bit of bullying, and I internalize every insult I hear. Just a few days ago, a random guy in the street called m
974470;1421086310;mircea_popescu;e a "fat fucking faggot" while I was walking home from the grocery store. I know he was probably drunk and not necessarily in the best state of mind, but fuck that shit hurts. Because of that bullying, I really don't have much confidence at all outside of my own work. The first thing I think of when I meet a new person is "I wonder how disgusted he is with me." And because of that self-hatred, I've never sought out rel
974471;1421086315;mircea_popescu;ationships. I've had crushes, sure, but whenever the thought of actually forming a romantic relationship with that person would come up, I instantly shot myself down. Through shooting myself down, however, I also shot down that person. "She's shallow," I'd say, "she only wants hot jocks and douchebags. She's not worth my time." I would project all of my self-hatred onto this woman so I could avoid actually working on m
974472;1421086320;mircea_popescu;y own problems. "It's not my fault that I didn't pursue a romantic relationship with her, she's just a friendzoning bitch." This projection would then just grow and grow to encompass all women.
974473;1421086323;mircea_popescu;dude, reddit...
974474;1421086325;mircea_popescu;i really should read it more often.
974475;1421086391;decimation;asciilifeform: re: spinal codes:  one point - while the code is 'rateless' by design, in practice it has a rate
974476;1421086400;decimation;because you can't transmit for infinite time
974477;1421086635;mircea_popescu;decimation infinite time's not needed, is it ? just as long as you're not done yet
974478;1421086656;ben_vulpes;buenos dias, terrists
974479;1421086675;mircea_popescu;otherwise it's like saying the halting problem doens't exist because no computer runs forever.
974480;1421086680;mircea_popescu;how goes ben_vulpes
974481;1421086734;decimation;I guess it depends to what degree of certainty you wish to have that the recipient got your message
974482;1421086993;ben_vulpes;well 'nuff, well 'nuff.
974483;1421087003;ben_vulpes;biking across town and running up and down the hill a few times today.
974484;1421087007;ben_vulpes;CAN'T WAIT TO PUKE
974485;1421087010;mircea_popescu;no, merely the definition of rateless is "no rate can be computed" instead of "this constant divided by infinity"
974486;1421087121;thestringpuller;TIL ben_vulpes is not in good shape
974487;1421087155;thestringpuller;tell empress benkay to feed you vegan diet
974488;1421087287;ben_vulpes;thestringpuller: holidays were full of cake and poor self discipline this year
974489;1421087558;mircea_popescu;it's fucking fascinating how the other half lives.
974490;1421087559;mircea_popescu;"And as anyone in indie romance knows, the waters are getting crowded, the competition is getting fierce, and I have to hustle my ass off to move books that sold themselves a year ago. I work twelve hours a day with promo, writing, and ad planning--sometimes more."
974491;1421087564;ben_vulpes;!up goulash1
974492;1421087578;mircea_popescu;fucking seriously ? 12 hour days to write that pulp ? for 2.3k a month ?!
974493;1421087592;mircea_popescu;i have servers i shoud probably turn off that i was too lazy to turn off that cost more than that
974494;1421087609;mircea_popescu;heck, if i can stop reading shit online for five minutes maybe i do it this month. or whatever.
974495;1421087670;mircea_popescu;right.
974496;1421087686;ben_vulpes;mircea_popescu: trilema down
974497;1421087689;decimation;but these spinal codes are clever in the sense that they cover a variety of channel snr's simultaneously
974498;1421087691;mircea_popescu;o it is ?
974499;1421087699;mircea_popescu;um it isn't  ?
974500;1421087706;decimation;At any rate, I'm traveling, will comment later.
974501;1421087713;ben_vulpes;http://www.downforeveryoneorjustme.com/trilema.com
974502;1421087717;assbot;Down For Everyone Or Just Me -> Check if your website is down or up? ... ( http://bit.ly/1BUFwvU )
974503;1421087725;mircea_popescu;o.O
974504;1421087813;mircea_popescu;but but but...
974505;1421087819;ben_vulpes;glhf
974506;1421087822;mircea_popescu;i can see it through like dozens of locations ?
974507;1421087876;mircea_popescu;http://trilema.com/2015/lets-address-even-more-of-the-more-common-pseudo-arguments-raised-by-the-very-stupid-people-that-like-the-gavin-scamcoin-proposal/
974508;1421087877;assbot;Let's address even more of the more common pseudo-arguments raised by the very stupid people that like the Gavin scamcoin proposal pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.  ... ( http://bit.ly/1BUG2tK )
974509;1421087883;mircea_popescu;how can assbot see it /
974510;1421087918;ben_vulpes;sounds like a whole lotta your problem, boss
974511;1421087929;ben_vulpes;whitelisted? iono.
974512;1421088037;ben_vulpes;<danielpbarron> [] they are starting to call the real bitcoin "MPcoin" << mircea_popescoin
974513;1421088119;mircea_popescu;http://nibbler.silktide.com/en_US/reports/trilema.com << me shrugs. dunno what'd it be.
974514;1421088122;assbot;Website report for trilema.com ... ( http://bit.ly/1yc70uh )
974515;1421088313;mircea_popescu;http://nibbler.silktide.com/en_US/reports/qntra.net << amusingly, qntra scores higher for mobile (8.6 vs 6,0 for trilema) in spite of trilema looking superbly on both handhelds whereas qntra gets cut off on the smaller one.
974516;1421088315;assbot;Website report for qntra.net ... ( http://bit.ly/1BUHDjo )
974517;1421088409;ben_vulpes;trilema back for me...
974518;1421088720;ben_vulpes;hey y'all how does one configure fleanode nickserv to kick squatters?
974519;1421088733;mircea_popescu;set enforce on
974520;1421088760;ben_vulpes;thanks
974521;1421088981;ben_vulpes;http://www.cartoonistgroup.com/store/add.php?iid=104655
974522;1421088984;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1yca3CQ )
974523;1421089041;mircea_popescu;;;tslb
974524;1421089054;gribble;Time since last block: 13 minutes and 0 seconds
974525;1421089160;ben_vulpes;<mircea_popescu> [] asciilifeform you understand what the bloom filters thing is supposed to do AFTER that right ?<mircea_popescu> [] asciilifeform you understand what the bloom filters thing is supposed to do AFTER that right ? << hopes that this is elaborated upon further in logs
974526;1421089167;mircea_popescu;bitcoin_charlie didn't you make a plea bargain ?
974527;1421089175;bitcoin_charlie;Yup
974528;1421089192;mircea_popescu;what exactly do you imagine anyone may wish to have to do with you after that ?
974529;1421089199;mircea_popescu;if i want to talk to preet, i can talk to preet directly.
974530;1421089221;bitcoin_charlie;Sure, go for it.
974531;1421089227;bitcoin_charlie;What does that have to do with me ?
974532;1421089228;mircea_popescu;that'd be all.
974533;1421089264;ben_vulpes;yow
974534;1421089311;artifexd;!s bitcoin_charlie
974535;1421089312;assbot;0 results for 'bitcoin_charlie' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=bitcoin_charlie
974536;1421089332;ben_vulpes;artifexd: i'm going to hazard that was shrem.
974537;1421089408;kakobrekla;or impostor
974538;1421089418;artifexd;!s qntranet
974539;1421089419;assbot;20 results for 'qntranet' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=qntranet
974540;1421089464;artifexd;Odd duck, that one.
974541;1421089491;mircea_popescu;qntra has a link to webirc, iirc anyone following it shows up in here as qntranet
974542;1421089514;artifexd;Ah
974543;1421089670;pete_dushenski;so i'm on the bablogs but not the scoopbot...
974544;1421089681;pete_dushenski;;;later tell peterl ^ ?
974545;1421089681;gribble;The operation succeeded.
974546;1421089700;pete_dushenski;http://www.contravex.com/2015/01/12/the-measure-of-a-nation-is-its-bowling-pins-not-its-safe-t/
974547;1421089701;assbot;The measure of a nation is its bowling pins, not its SAFE-T | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski ... ( http://bit.ly/1BUMlxB )
974548;1421089709;pete_dushenski;http://www.contravex.com/2015/01/12/bitcoin-doesnt-need-a-hard-fork-it-needs-hard-people/
974549;1421089710;assbot;Bitcoin doesn’t need a hard fork, it needs hard people. | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski ... ( http://bit.ly/1BUMocE )
974550;1421090379;ben_vulpes;!up bitcoin_charlie
974551;1421090410;ben_vulpes;what was the deal with "justice has been done?"
974552;1421090540;kakobrekla;a pussy way of saying "buggers will leave me alone now. supposedly."
974553;1421090556;kakobrekla;my guess, anyway. *
974554;1421090560;kakobrekla;* over sexygingers.
974555;1421090575;bitcoin_charlie;Its funny, someone asked me about that exact tweet this morning
974556;1421090604;kakobrekla;link?
974557;1421090613;bitcoin_charlie;I had tweeted that about 10 minutes from walking out of the court room
974558;1421090628;bitcoin_charlie;The government, until the end, faught for 30 years for me
974559;1421090653;bitcoin_charlie;I took a plea deal to avoid a trial, but if you read it, I declined to become a cooperating wittness.
974560;1421090662;bitcoin_charlie;If I had become, I could have gotten 0 jail time
974561;1421090668;bitcoin_charlie;Instead, I got 2 years.
974562;1421090717;bitcoin_charlie;@kakobrekla, its on my twitter, dec 19th
974563;1421090729;bitcoin_charlie;So Im heading to prison in 60 days.
974564;1421090737;mike_c;which one?
974565;1421090750;*;kakobrekla is confused how this morning is dec 19th
974566;1421090758;kakobrekla;which year are we at currently?
974567;1421090762;bitcoin_charlie;Im saying, I tweeted that Dec 19th
974568;1421090783;kakobrekla;and the convo from this morning is not linkable ?
974569;1421090796;bitcoin_charlie;mike_c, Im looking at Lewisburg PA, Cumberland MD, Morgantown WV and McKean PA
974570;1421090807;bitcoin_charlie;kakobrekla, which convo ?
974571;1421090823;kakobrekla;the convo about the dec 19th tweet you had this morning ?!
974572;1421090835;kakobrekla;idk forget it .
974573;1421090854;bitcoin_charlie;Ahh, no I spoke to someone on the phone about it today
974574;1421090860;bitcoin_charlie;He told me that some people were pissed I tweeted that
974575;1421090871;bitcoin_charlie;I understand, but look where I was coming from
974576;1421090884;kakobrekla;a.
974577;1421090884;bitcoin_charlie;I spent 6 figures on lawyer fees, the government wanted to send me away for 30 years.
974578;1421090896;bitcoin_charlie;I didnt win at trial, but hopefully Ill only serve less than a year
974579;1421090906;bitcoin_charlie;Im already working on another project.
974580;1421090936;kakobrekla;so you mentioned 'new project' ... are you planing on running a gang out of prison?
974581;1421090969;bitcoin_charlie;lol, its not that kind of prison.
974582;1421090974;bitcoin_charlie;More of a white collar place.
974583;1421090985;bitcoin_charlie;I planon teaching Bitcoin and economics while inside
974584;1421091022;jborkl;you plead down to two years correct?
974585;1421091025;kakobrekla;"so if you gonna clear bitcoin money for drug lords when you get out, do it so and so ..?"
974586;1421091055;jborkl;do you have any time served credit?
974587;1421091102;kakobrekla;i forgot where i read that but at some time in some place you could send someone else to serve your sentence if you could find such person. it wasnt a problem probably.
974588;1421091114;bitcoin_charlie;Ive been udner house arrest past year
974589;1421091125;bitcoin_charlie;So I get some time served
974590;1421091138;kakobrekla;do they give you internet there?
974591;1421091143;jborkl;federal correct or state system
974592;1421091151;kakobrekla;like if you pay for the extra luxurious accomodation
974593;1421091223;bitcoin_charlie;I will have email
974594;1421091234;bitcoin_charlie;I launched a side project last month
974595;1421091237;bitcoin_charlie;www.ActionCrypto.com
974596;1421091240;bitcoin_charlie;Let me know what you guys think
974597;1421091266;kakobrekla;binary chumpatron?
974598;1421091278;pete_dushenski;bitcoin_charlie so you're the real shrem eh? can you pgp sign something?
974599;1421091287;kakobrekla;he can twitter sign!
974600;1421091291;bitcoin_charlie;Yes, Ive done it
974601;1421091301;bitcoin_charlie;https://twitter.com/CharlieShrem/status/554716277705822209
974602;1421091302;assbot;Be careful about impostors, I only IRC/Reddit under the nick 'Bitcoin_Charlie'
974603;1421091315;bitcoin_charlie;https://twitter.com/CharlieShrem/status/554717762879500288
974604;1421091317;assbot;Be careful about impostors, I only IRC/Reddit under the nick 'Bitcoin_Charlie'
974605;1421091326;kakobrekla;see, ---- BEGIN TWITTER MESAGE ----
974606;1421091332;pete_dushenski;heh
974607;1421091336;bitcoin_charlie;http://pgp.mit.edu/pks/lookup?op=vindex&search=0x41D9C9E4E1E507A6
974608;1421091336;assbot;Search results for '0x41d9c9e4e1e507a6' ... ( http://bit.ly/1BUS0DP )
974609;1421091346;*;pete_dushenski just noticed logs are under attack?
974610;1421091354;kakobrekla;was ?
974611;1421091365;kakobrekla;works here
974612;1421091375;danielpbarron;pete_dushenski, same for me
974613;1421091380;kakobrekla;;;isup log.bitcoin-assets.com
974614;1421091381;gribble;log.bitcoin-assets.com is up
974615;1421091386;danielpbarron;it's not up to date
974616;1421091387;kakobrekla;;;isup log1.bitcoin-assets.com
974617;1421091387;gribble;log1.bitcoin-assets.com is up
974618;1421091391;pete_dushenski;bitcoin_charlie so put those two together and what do you get?
974619;1421091408;pete_dushenski;kakobrekla up, yes, recording convos, no
974620;1421091414;kakobrekla;hm
974621;1421091415;danielpbarron;;;ident bitcoin_charlie
974622;1421091415;gribble;Nick 'bitcoin_charlie', with hostmask 'bitcoin_charlie!452ee56a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.69.46.229.106', is not identified.
974623;1421091416;kakobrekla;wtf did i do now.
974624;1421091435;pete_dushenski;i never know man, i never know
974625;1421091452;bitcoin_charlie;Hang on, Ill sign a message
974626;1421091461;pete_dushenski;bitcoin_charlie k cool
974627;1421091491;danielpbarron;bitcoin_charlie, you should better just register in the WoT
974628;1421091497;pete_dushenski;http://www.contravex.com/2014/03/31/biting-into-the-wot-elephant-and-irc-nicknames/
974629;1421091498;assbot;Biting Into The WoT Elephant (And IRC Nicknames) | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski ... ( http://bit.ly/1DQqLJP )
974630;1421091498;danielpbarron;;;eregister
974631;1421091498;gribble;(eregister <nick> <keyid>) -- Register your GPG identity, associating GPG key <keyid> with <nick>. <keyid> is a 16 digit key id, with or without the '0x' prefix. We look on servers listed in 'plugins.GPG.keyservers' config. You will be given a link to a page which contains a one time password encrypted with your key. Decrypt, and use the 'everify' command with it. Your passphrase (1 more message)
974632;1421091519;pete_dushenski;but hey, one thing at a time
974633;1421091520;bitcoin_charlie;http://pastie.org/9828054
974634;1421091521;assbot;Private Paste - Pastie ... ( http://bit.ly/1DQqO8H )
974635;1421091526;bitcoin_charlie;^ Signed messafe
974636;1421091536;bitcoin_charlie;*message
974637;1421091565;pete_dushenski;it's a start. ty
974638;1421091575;pete_dushenski;but honestly, why use http://openpgpjs.org ?
974639;1421091576;assbot;OpenPGP.js | OpenPGP JavaScript Implementation ... ( http://bit.ly/1DQr07N )
974640;1421091576;bitcoin_charlie;:)
974641;1421091576;kakobrekla;hm you have email but no gpg, in jail.
974642;1421091588;bitcoin_charlie;All my comms in prison will be monitored
974643;1421091592;bitcoin_charlie;UNless you visit
974644;1421091592;kakobrekla;you need to get one of those cardanos.
974645;1421091594;mats;wat
974646;1421091595;kakobrekla;wear it in butt.
974647;1421091603;pete_dushenski;irlol
974648;1421091621;kakobrekla;im sure ascii would make a dildonic version for a fee
974649;1421091650;kakobrekla;fuck sorry im going back to work, to much material to troll here.
974650;1421091697;pete_dushenski;so bitcoin_charlie what brings you by on this sunny day ?
974651;1421091732;bitcoin_charlie;I came to talk to Mircea about a project Im working on
974652;1421091739;bitcoin_charlie;But he does not like me very much :)
974653;1421091740;danielpbarron;also, that signed message is meaningless
974654;1421091747;danielpbarron;could be saved from a former session
974655;1421091777;bitcoin_charlie;My Reddit account has been 'Bitcoin_Charlie' for over a year
974656;1421091782;bitcoin_charlie;Its the handle I use for everything
974657;1421091791;pete_dushenski;that's cool
974658;1421091796;*;danielpbarron slaps bitcoin_charlie around a bit with a large private key
974659;1421091811;pete_dushenski;i used to be "bitcoinpete" before individuating ;)
974660;1421091841;bitcoin_charlie;Honestly, Id rather use Yankee
974661;1421091851;bitcoin_charlie;Which is my bitcointalk name since 2011
974662;1421091854;pete_dushenski;bitcoin_charlie so who are you working on this project with?
974663;1421091856;bitcoin_charlie;and my forum handle for like 10 years
974664;1421091863;bitcoin_charlie;but it was banned from freenode a few years ago
974665;1421091895;bitcoin_charlie;A couple of friends started it here in NYC, Im just helping them get organized
974666;1421091901;bitcoin_charlie;Its a great project, doing good volume
974667;1421091911;bitcoin_charlie;Wanted t get Mircea's opinion
974668;1421091936;pete_dushenski;bitcoin_charlie: But he does not like me very much :) << eh. probably not anymore than anyone else who doesn't listen to his free advice
974669;1421091945;danielpbarron;you want his opinion of a "bitcoin business" that doesn't have a representative in the WoT?
974670;1421091947;pete_dushenski;who are these friends?
974671;1421091984;pete_dushenski;and define "good volume" please
974672;1421092005;bitcoin_charlie;Couple of people from the Bitcoin space.
974673;1421092011;asciilifeform;what project ?
974674;1421092014;bitcoin_charlie;Shoot me an email, Ill intro you
974675;1421092022;bitcoin_charlie;https://actioncrypto.com/
974676;1421092023;assbot;ActionCrypto.com ... ( http://bit.ly/1DQsoal )
974677;1421092031;bitcoin_charlie;In 30 days
974678;1421092032;bitcoin_charlie;Completed options: 6095
974679;1421092034;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 38750 @ 0.00053856 = 20.8692 BTC [-] {3} 
974680;1421092037;thestringpuller;oh hey yankee
974681;1421092039;bitcoin_charlie;Total: 2246.819 BTC
974682;1421092055;bitcoin_charlie;Hey
974683;1421092080;pete_dushenski;not bad i guess
974684;1421092105;pete_dushenski;and maybe instead of you e-mail intro'ing me to them, you bring them here ?
974685;1421092117;pete_dushenski;and they can introduce themselves
974686;1421092126;kakobrekla;logs synced up.
974687;1421092137;asciilifeform;'your ip is from usa and is banned'
974688;1421092151;asciilifeform;lol, suck moar usg cock
974689;1421092159;kakobrekla;lol
974690;1421092198;bitcoin_charlie;Ya, no US customers allowed.
974691;1421092234;pete_dushenski;bitcoin_charlie:Couple of people from the Bitcoin space << as meaningless as "a couple of people from the neighbourhood where i grew up"
974692;1421092245;jurov;!up bitcoin_charlie
974693;1421092260;kakobrekla;you power is weak jurov .
974694;1421092264;kakobrekla;your*
974695;1421092272;pete_dushenski;i don't know if you grew up in compton, monaco, or rural shanghai
974696;1421092297;joecool;!up bitcoin_charlie
974697;1421092297;pete_dushenski;assuming there's such a thing as rural shanghai...
974698;1421092322;pete_dushenski;joecool what kako said!
974699;1421092432;pete_dushenski;"We're a bunch of bitcoin enthusiasts, traders and programmers who have been involved in the Bitcoin space from the very beginning. Collectively, our background consists of over 30 years of capital markets and technology experience. "
974700;1421092439;pete_dushenski;o now i get it
974701;1421092458;thestringpuller;pete_dushenski: ya know. I was thinking about Bitcoin in the car today from THE Foundations point of view. "We change for bitcoin, our ways change for bitcoin not the other way around."
974702;1421092459;bitcoin_charlie;Sorry Im back
974703;1421092461;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12000 @ 0.00053888 = 6.4666 BTC [+]
974704;1421092476;bitcoin_charlie;Im consulting on the ActionCrypto project, a bunch of friends are running it
974705;1421092478;jurov;how many is the bunch? 10? then it's 3 years for each one
974706;1421092480;bitcoin_charlie;The good thing about the idea
974707;1421092485;bitcoin_charlie;Is that, everything is on-chain
974708;1421092495;thestringpuller;And that's very much what I think this war comes down to. Not block size or anything else. Just the simple fact: You are either for changing bitcoin for YOUR needs, or you are willing to adapt to bitcoin.
974709;1421092495;bitcoin_charlie;So, when you buy an option, its timestamped on the blockchain
974710;1421092499;pete_dushenski;but... sidechains!
974711;1421092505;bitcoin_charlie;and if you win, the bet comes back + payout
974712;1421092511;pete_dushenski;thestringpuller yup!
974713;1421092525;bitcoin_charlie;Every option has been paid out, and the price feed is verifiable
974714;1421092540;bitcoin_charlie;Im helping them market and look for investors
974715;1421092555;thestringpuller;in a sense we are the ones being attacked not the other way around. trying to defend and hold the gate of bitcoin fro retardism. it was a really profound moment like when the trilema train ran you over.
974716;1421092559;TomServo;as ascii says, from the lulzfarm: http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2015/01/12/twitter-centcom-isis/21640577/
974717;1421092560;assbot;CENTCOM's Twitter, YouTube accounts hacked ... ( http://bit.ly/1BUWave )
974718;1421092572;pete_dushenski;"market" like talk or "market" like making options
974719;1421092608;punkman;PSA: openpgpjs is broken
974720;1421092611;pete_dushenski;thestringpuller love it :)
974721;1421092619;punkman;gpg: BAD signature from ""Charlie Shrem CS@CS.com" <cs@charlieshrem.com>"
974722;1421092639;pete_dushenski;like the rest of chuck's pleading, bleeding head, it would seem.
974723;1421092694;pete_dushenski;that's all the ammo i've got for this round. laters!
974724;1421092732;punkman;(sidenote: http://pastie.org/pastes/9828054/text  they just gots to have html in the "raw" version)
974725;1421092733;assbot;Private Paste - Pastie ... ( http://bit.ly/1BUWLNs )
974726;1421092934;bitcoin_charlie;Im heading out
974727;1421092941;bitcoin_charlie;Talk to y'all later
974728;1421092943;bitcoin_charlie;Cheers
974729;1421093088;punkman;* bitcoin_charlie left the room (quit: Quit: Page closed by Preet_Bharara).
974730;1421093118;kakobrekla;O_o
974731;1421093133;fluffypony;[21:44:01]  <+bitcoin_charlie>Honestly, Id rather use Yankee
974732;1421093134;fluffypony;such original
974733;1421093357;asciilifeform;bitcoin_charlie!452ee56a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.69.46.229.106', is not identified. << herr shrem is under house-arrest in a datacenter ?
974734;1421093359;ben_vulpes;<punkman> * bitcoin_charlie left the room (quit: Quit: Page closed by Preet_Bharara). << lol
974735;1421093459;mircea_popescu;soo... i go to see my private banker, her office's like four blocks down. and as i walk on the street, i see a thing that's still with me.
974736;1421093487;mircea_popescu;a bum, like a total, street dwelling bum, accosts some random guy begging. and the random guy goes like "ain't got nothing now", and hands him his coke bottle.
974737;1421093493;mircea_popescu;bum takes a sip and moves on
974738;1421093503;mircea_popescu;i don't mean no straws or nuttin.
974739;1421093559;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26306 @ 0.00053888 = 14.1758 BTC [+]
974740;1421093742;assbot;bigtip +v failed; L1: 0, L2: 0
974741;1421093758;TomServo;!up bigtip
974742;1421094019;kakobrekla;;;gettrust assbot bigtip
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974744;1421094095;bigtip;;;ratingsystem getrating bigtip
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974748;1421094156;ben_vulpes;oh ho ho
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974751;1421094185;ben_vulpes;;;everify freenode:#bitcoin-otc:affcf8d12f47970d0864ea626cbe820a688382b078baac2e33e61530
974752;1421094185;ben_vulpes;
974753;1421094186;gribble;You are now authenticated for user ben_vulpes with key 2AFA1A9FD2D031DA
974754;1421094192;ben_vulpes;;;rate bigtip 1 easy come, easy go.
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974756;1421094596;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28138 @ 0.00054619 = 15.3687 BTC [+] {3} 
974757;1421094993;ben_vulpes;nut
974758;1421094994;ben_vulpes;splat
974759;1421095035;mircea_popescu;hm ?
974760;1421095070;mircea_popescu;"WASHINGTON � The Twitter and YouTube accounts of the Pentagon's command for its forces in the Middle East have been hacked, according to a defense official Monday." lawl
974761;1421095477;mircea_popescu;http://www.gannett-cdn.com/-mm-/5b2f195789010ab5357974babf1d42b7aa00c5d6/c=157-0-896-556&r=x383&c=540x380/local/-/media/2015/01/12/USATODAY/USATODAY/635566660431697714-Capture-5.PNG bwahaha
974762;1421095478;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1z1xrpz )
974763;1421095534;scoopbot;New post on Trilema by Mircea Popescu: http://trilema.com/2015/heres-what-they-dont-tell-you-when-they-bring-you-those-papers-to-sign/
974764;1421095539;davout;kakobrekla: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-01-2015#974648 <<< sure he'd make it for the lulz
974765;1421095539;assbot;Logged on 12-01-2015 19:40:21; kakobrekla: im sure ascii would make a dildonic version for a fee
974766;1421095573;davout;kakobrekla: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-01-2015#974646 <<< in which case it's technically the cardano that wears you
974767;1421095573;assbot;Logged on 12-01-2015 19:39:55; kakobrekla: wear it in butt.
974768;1421095603;kakobrekla;hehe
974769;1421095619;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform here's one for you : suppose the stavka website sported a "Afghanistani cock -> Russian eager asshole plox ty. We love real men, we're all transvestitties over here!"
974770;1421095625;mircea_popescu;what does kruschev say ? :D
974771;1421096079;davout;kakobrekla: btw if you ever change your mind about documenting that optical device you mentioned earlier, a happy would be me
974772;1421096134;mircea_popescu;better yet manufacture & sell it ? :D
974773;1421096174;jurov;the serial cable with buffer would suffice for a start
974774;1421096279;davout;mircea_popescu: if i don't know how it works and how i take it apart i ain't buying it :D
974775;1421096311;mircea_popescu;yeah obv. just, imo better economics all around once that's on the table.
974776;1421096317;davout;jurov: i'm trying to figure out exactly what the desirable properties of such an apparatus are
974777;1421096330;mircea_popescu;of airgaps ?
974778;1421096337;davout;mircea_popescu: yeah, no argument here, does it come with t-shirts?
974779;1421096345;mircea_popescu;hopefully lol
974780;1421096361;davout;yeah, well the questions i'm thinking about are
974781;1421096369;jurov;davout i assume it has a display and "ack" button that transmits the message, and nak button
974782;1421096378;davout;should you be able to log what goes through the airgap somehow?
974783;1421096397;davout;how do you ensure what goes in on one side of the airgap is what goes out?
974784;1421096407;mircea_popescu;well ideally by keeping the pieces simple.
974785;1421096407;kakobrekla;i call it 'the gaper' as a tribute to ass gapes.
974786;1421096411;mircea_popescu;lol
974787;1421096432;mircea_popescu;also, if it has a display, that's your auditor
974788;1421096433;davout;jurov: yeah, that's the manual case, but you might want to design an automated airgap
974789;1421096438;mircea_popescu;no lma
974790;1421096442;mircea_popescu;wtf is wrong with you ?
974791;1421096445;jurov;lolwut?
974792;1421096458;davout;wat
974793;1421096473;mircea_popescu;automated airgap = turning around 360 degrees ?
974794;1421096487;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8250 @ 0.00053717 = 4.4317 BTC [-] {2} 
974795;1421096492;kakobrekla;720 actually.
974796;1421096504;mircea_popescu;let's argue about it.
974797;1421096504;davout;wondering about what makes sense and what doesn't here
974798;1421096508;jurov;what's the problem with manual checks?
974799;1421096525;mircea_popescu;davout for all you know the internet is already automatically airgapped to all hell.
974800;1421096525;davout;no probs with manual checks
974801;1421096536;mircea_popescu;each hop in a traceroute
974802;1421096567;jurov;so then why you want it to be automatic?
974803;1421096583;davout;well, maybe there are some use cases where you want a uni-directional airgap
974804;1421096599;davout;or maybe you want to enforce that only some sort of messages go through
974805;1421096614;davout;guess that doesn't really count as an airgap if there isn't a manual step
974806;1421096618;mircea_popescu;like a diode yeah. conceivably. not what an airgap is toh
974807;1421096630;mircea_popescu;semiconductors aren't insulators.
974808;1421096660;davout;just don't put an emitter on the airgapped machine, no need for fancy semiconductors :D
974809;1421096670;mircea_popescu;not what i meant
974810;1421096690;mircea_popescu;i meant, your directional, or message-aware or otherwise "airgap" is a semiconductor in the flux
974811;1421096700;mircea_popescu;not an airgap (which is simply an insulator)
974812;1421096741;davout;we were discussing airgaps earlier, with a good solution being optics, right?
974813;1421096749;mircea_popescu;right
974814;1421096791;davout;so if you don't put a light emitter on the airgap machine you necessarily end up with a one-way airgap, right?
974815;1421096824;davout;that's the case i was thinking about, therefore not seeing a direct link to semi-conductors
974816;1421096825;mircea_popescu;well in the theoretical sense of your q, yes.
974817;1421096839;mircea_popescu;a diode is exactly this : current goes one way but not the other.
974818;1421096847;davout;yup, a diode
974819;1421096849;mircea_popescu;so think of your thing as a meta-diode.
974820;1421096863;jurov;the airgap isn't about technology, but about being in complete control
974821;1421096866;mircea_popescu;it doesn't work on electric flux, but "communication" flux
974822;1421096882;davout;yes
974823;1421096892;mircea_popescu;a diode, generally speaking, is a semiconductor.
974824;1421096894;jurov;if you cede control to software then it's not airgap anymore
974825;1421096916;davout;jurov: yup, no argument here
974826;1421096927;mircea_popescu;but an airgap is not a semiconductor. the technical argument can be brougth that obviously semiconductors insulate
974827;1421096929;mircea_popescu;at least some of the time.
974828;1421096935;mircea_popescu;this is valid, but not what airgap means
974829;1421096960;davout;more like a 'human cable'
974830;1421096975;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 37651 @ 0.0005072 = 19.0966 BTC [-] {2} 
974831;1421097203;davout;it's the "The machine handling encryption and decryption on the MPEx side never connects to the Internet. There is no cable." bit that got me thinking about all this
974832;1421097212;mircea_popescu;kakobrekla: works here << new sort of imperceptible ddos.
974833;1421097216;mircea_popescu;homeopathy ftw.
974834;1421097269;mircea_popescu;kakobrekla: you need to get one of those cardanos. << lol it wouldn't be legal.
974835;1421097280;thestringpuller;is the cardano technically an airgap?
974836;1421097290;mircea_popescu;if it were, all drug lords / mafia kingpins would be in jail, offloading the cost of their security to the state, while they kept at their biz.
974837;1421097433;kakobrekla;those ppl dont care for legal, thats why they are there.
974838;1421097491;mircea_popescu;well yeah, obviously. however, teh prison people try and prevent stuff like you know, perfectly private comms.
974839;1421097725;mircea_popescu;"4. You don't deserve to know any of that. It's none of your business. I invited my readers to chip in on a project--or not. I did not invite you to worm your nose into every aspect of my life, hunt down pictures of my home, call me names, or tell me I was worthless, arrogant, greedy, and undeserving. But you want to rip me bare and expose how awful you're sure I am. I get it, you want me transparent. How much more tra
974840;1421097725;mircea_popescu;nsparent do you want it? Do you want to know that one of the reasons I am very private about connecting my pen names is because the man who raped me enjoys making fake profiles and friending me every few years, just to get off on sending me a message and getting blocked? Do you want to hear how I shake all over and panic and relive everything he did to me when that happens? Does that do it for you? Is that transparent
974841;1421097726;mircea_popescu;enough? Do you feel you got your due? That you were able to violate my privacy and dignity enough to feel I'm worthy of ten pathetic dollars? Less than a damned movie and popcorn?"
974842;1421097733;mircea_popescu;the woman with the kickstarter makes an excellent point.
974843;1421097739;davout;in france most inmates have cellphones in their cells. WE HERD YOU LIEK CELLZ
974844;1421097747;mircea_popescu;i wonder how many of the online derps got their start/education on camwhore sites
974845;1421097760;mircea_popescu;which aren't particularly sexy, the whole sport is, "let's humiliate / torture her"
974846;1421097812;mircea_popescu;she definitely seems to think that's what she's getting, the other end of "lul what can we make her do ? shoe on head ?"
974847;1421097829;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29200 @ 0.00053497 = 15.6211 BTC [+]
974848;1421097890;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5124 @ 0.00053497 = 2.7412 BTC [+]
974849;1421098265;BingoBoingo;!up irdial
974850;1421098546;cazalla;bitcoin_charlie: https://actioncrypto.com/ <<< how is this any different to updown.bt (launched April 2014, became a GOLD!! member of the bitcoin foundation but is now dead, didn't even make it to 2015)
974851;1421098547;assbot;ActionCrypto.com ... ( http://bit.ly/1wa995C )
974852;1421098620;davout;cazalla: blockchain-all-the-things, apparently
974853;1421098927;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24800 @ 0.00055334 = 13.7228 BTC [+]
974854;1421098975;davout;https://coinreport.net/bitreserve-raises-6-3-million-crowdfunding-round/
974855;1421098977;assbot;CoinReport  Bitreserve raises £6.3 million in crowdfunding round - CoinReport ... ( http://bit.ly/1wa9uoZ )
974856;1421098989;davout;"One estimate placed the company valuation at $90 million, said the news outlet."
974857;1421098994;davout;wtf is wrong with these people
974858;1421099028;mircea_popescu;https://twitter.com/Stacey_Jay
974859;1421099030;assbot;Stacey_Jay (@Stacey_Jay) | Twitter ... ( http://bit.ly/1wa9yoB )
974860;1421099035;mircea_popescu;the stuff twitter's for.
974861;1421099058;mircea_popescu;davout personally, i blame their parents.
974862;1421099061;thestringpuller;dude loses his cnet money on real state
974863;1421099066;thestringpuller;thinks bitcoin is his last chance
974864;1421099079;thestringpuller;mircea_popescu: i blame to school systems :P
974865;1421099148;davout;why not blame them directly? :p
974866;1421099240;mircea_popescu;fine. i blame them, their stupid fathers & bovine mothers, the fucking gooses masquerading as "educators" in a ten mile radius
974867;1421099244;mircea_popescu;and the fucking earth they walk on.
974868;1421099365;adlai;"if they'd let me have my way I could've flayed them into shape // but my hands were tied, the bleeding hearts and artists..."
974869;1421099420;thestringpuller;lol, "If you change bitcoin, it's no longer bitcoin but something else." << should be mandatory knowledge
974870;1421099742;irdial;;;eregister irdial E930 6C6E 1CCE 5697 A88B  5482 5E16 D36E DB32 40F9
974871;1421099742;gribble;Error: 'E930' is not a valid GPG key id. Please use the long form 16 digit key id.
974872;1421099753;mircea_popescu;no spaces
974873;1421099791;irdial;;;eregister irdial E9306C6E1CCE5697A88B 54825E16D36EDB3240F9
974874;1421099791;gribble;Error: 'E9306C6E1CCE5697A88B' is not a valid GPG key id. Please use the long form 16 digit key id.
974875;1421099802;irdial;;;eregister irdial E9306C6E1CCE5697A88B54825E16D36EDB3240F9
974876;1421099802;gribble;Error: 'E9306C6E1CCE5697A88B54825E16D36EDB3240F9' is not a valid GPG key id. Please use the long form 16 digit key id.
974877;1421099813;irdial;hmmm
974878;1421099856;mircea_popescu;uh
974879;1421099861;mircea_popescu;is it on a key server ?
974880;1421099883;irdial;Yes
974881;1421099910;mircea_popescu;wtf.
974882;1421099969;mircea_popescu;try ;;eregister irdial 5E16D36EDB3240F9 <<
974883;1421100023;mircea_popescu;soo.... most of downtown ba is without power.
974884;1421100057;irdial;;;eregister irdial 5E16D36EDB3240F9
974885;1421100060;gribble;Request successful for user irdial, hostmask irdial!~irdial@unaffiliated/irdial. Get your encrypted OTP from http://bitcoin-otc.com/otps/5E16D36EDB3240F9
974886;1421100327;davout;!up irdial
974887;1421100331;irdial;;;everify freenode:#bitcoin-otc:ff211e140a17d6846aebcaf83249e5695f1ca5e23862c72443770251
974888;1421100333;gribble;Registration successful. You are now authenticated for user irdial with key 5E16D36EDB3240F9
974889;1421100336;danielpbarron;;;rate irdial 1 blocked me on twitter, but i forgive him. https://twitter.com/Beautyon_/status/514374369569939456
974890;1421100338;assbot;What is most delightful is projects like DarkWalllet make the "Bitcoin Advicates" completely irrelevant. They can only spectate slack jawed.
974891;1421100338;gribble;Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user irdial has been recorded.
974892;1421100352;davout;;;rate irdial 1 been around for a while
974893;1421100353;gribble;Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user irdial has been recorded.
974894;1421100485;BingoBoingo;;;rate irdial 1 The other angry profit of doom we need.
974895;1421100486;gribble;Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user irdial has been recorded.
974896;1421100623;thestringpuller;Google says: "Did you mean _prophet_?"
974897;1421100833;davout;thestringpuller: "Did you mean andreas antonopoulos ?"
974898;1421100880;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2989 @ 0.00055334 = 1.6539 BTC [+]
974899;1421100906;mircea_popescu;adviwho ?
974900;1421100917;BingoBoingo;Bitcoin is a cult of money so of course we need profits rather than prophets
974901;1421100990;mircea_popescu;that's an idea.
974902;1421101109;thestringpuller;when I think Prophet of Doom.
974903;1421101114;thestringpuller;I hear the voice of Zim saying it.
974904;1421101127;ben_vulpes;DOOOOOOOOOM!
974905;1421101128;thestringpuller;I introduce to you!!!! THE PROHPHET OF DOOOOOOOOOM!!!!
974906;1421101142;thestringpuller;[insert 5 minutes of maniacal laughter here]
974907;1421101182;thestringpuller;then gir pops out and does his little "cute" voice "doom doom. doom doom doom doom! I LIKE YOU!"
974908;1421101188;ben_vulpes;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0fvOg13V5mI
974909;1421101190;assbot;It's all like KAAKOW! - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1xigJvs )
974910;1421101230;ben_vulpes;(relevant at 0:49)
974911;1421101288;mircea_popescu;assbot: 5 Cryptocurrency Caricatures You'll Meet on r/Bitcoin - CoinDesk  << so coindesk is at the gizmodo/mashable/demand media "stale meme list" phase of post-shark-jumping ?
974912;1421101387;davout;lol
974913;1421101446;thestringpuller;wow. when did coindesk become coincracked?
974914;1421101464;mircea_popescu;brb, writing "here's five old tshirt types you'll find at hot topic" article
974915;1421101483;mircea_popescu;gotta make trilema moar appealing to the derp generation.
974916;1421101501;jurov;no need. just send them over to r/buttcoin
974917;1421101574;jurov;lol looky what they dredged up: http://i.imgur.com/IWQsrC3.png
974918;1421101575;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1xii9G2 )
974919;1421101626;*;jurov rushes to check cex isn't among the D.*
974920;1421101646;jurov;no it isnt
974921;1421101647;mircea_popescu;lol
974922;1421101649;kakobrekla;at least they have cake.
974923;1421101656;mircea_popescu;poor kako has not even cookies
974924;1421101658;*;mircea_popescu noms
974925;1421101712;BingoBoingo;!up jborkl
974926;1421101725;jborkl;sup!
974927;1421101778;BingoBoingo;Ntm.
974928;1421101825;BingoBoingo;Charlie Shrem it seems saw the other consequence of negotiating with turdorists
974929;1421101837;cazalla;that coindesk article also reflects the total lack of news on some days
974930;1421101905;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: that, or a preet saw
974931;1421101928;BingoBoingo;Sure.
974932;1421102010;BingoBoingo;http://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2015/01/heads-up-dear-leader-security-hole-found-in-north-koreas-home-grown-os/
974933;1421102011;assbot;Heads up, dear leader: Security hole found in North Korea’s home-grown OS | Ars Technica ... ( http://bit.ly/1xijBsc )
974934;1421102055;*;asciilifeform is sick of idiots referring to a linux distro as 'home-grown os'
974935;1421102068;mircea_popescu;^
974936;1421102074;mircea_popescu;erryone's a farmer.
974937;1421102075;BingoBoingo;lol
974938;1421102239;BingoBoingo;irdial: Message assbot and claim your own voice!
974939;1421102242;thestringpuller;BingoBoingo: well this is why you never cross the streams. they could never get al capone on rico charges so they slapped him on tax evasion.
974940;1421102254;rithm;hooray for -otc-ratings hello irdial long time blawg reader
974941;1421102263;*;rithm slinks back into the shadows
974942;1421102269;BingoBoingo;But if you don't cross the streams you are stuck with a giant Marshmallow.
974943;1421102457;thestringpuller;mmmm sounds dlecious
974944;1421102709;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29191 @ 0.00055728 = 16.2676 BTC [+]
974945;1421102770;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12250 @ 0.00055583 = 6.8089 BTC [-]
974946;1421103441;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14000 @ 0.00055583 = 7.7816 BTC [-]
974947;1421103564;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21435 @ 0.00055731 = 11.9459 BTC [+] {2} 
974948;1421103807;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 41370 @ 0.0005579 = 23.0803 BTC [+] {2} 
974949;1421103868;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25513 @ 0.00055503 = 14.1605 BTC [-] {2} 
974950;1421104135;mircea_popescu;some informative original research, fresh from marquardt : "According to Mike Hearn, Satoshi even planned on creating a reputation system integrated with the Bitcoin client that would use the number of blocks you'd individually solved as part of a system to prevent scammers from creating infinitely many accounts."
974951;1421104157;mircea_popescu;apparently, teh wot is going to be attacked next, because yeah, totally, when you fail in everything you do the logical step is to do more things :D
974952;1421104312;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: iirc that's not a total fiction. there was some half-written 'marketplace' thing in the initial tarball ?
974953;1421104346;mircea_popescu;a narrative completely divorced from anything is rare, no ?
974954;1421104361;asciilifeform;aha
974955;1421104395;kakobrekla;and online poker service.
974956;1421104418;mircea_popescu;"Demand for Bitcoin is not inelastic. Raise the price of using Bitcoin enough, and demand will decline. Right now, the primary reason people use Bitcoin is not its security. That's a nice benefit, but most users use it because it's cheap, and has the largest network of users, merchants, exchanges, etc. The affordability and number of users shouldn't be compromised for security. In fact, doing so will inevitably cause s
974957;1421104419;mircea_popescu;ecurity to suffer too."
974958;1421104422;mircea_popescu;ahahahaha check that shit out.
974959;1421104437;mircea_popescu;o, bitpay fails miserably on adoption ? CLEARLY WE WERE RIGHT!!! ADOPTION MATTERS!
974960;1421104454;kakobrekla;http://imgur.com/a/NPiIs
974961;1421104456;assbot;                    Bitcoin 0.1.0 Unreleased Features - Imgur ... ( http://bit.ly/1A9cX9C )
974962;1421104460;[]bot;Bet placed: 1.5 BTC for No on "Russian Index MICEX to drop under 1000 before Feb 2015" http://bitbet.us/bet/1084/ Odds: 11(Y):89(N) by coin, 18(Y):82(N) by weight. Total bet: 9.29748981 BTC. Current weight: 30,309.
974963;1421104480;scoopbot;New post on Qntra.net by cazalla: http://qntra.net/2015/01/new-all-time-high-in-difficulty-forces-out-cloudmining-service-cex-io/
974964;1421104520;mircea_popescu;"I don't understand why this is difficult to understand and literally I've said this three times in the past couple of days.
974965;1421104521;mircea_popescu;Everyone not on Gavin's side on this all act like low / zero fee transactions just disappear into the ether. They most certainly do not. If (when) the average block size exceeds 1MB these lower fee transactions will overrun the entire system. Servers running bitcoind will start swapping to disk instead of using memory. At that point the entire network would go down."
974966;1421104535;mircea_popescu;is it obvious why this is retarded or do i have to make a part 3 of "why gavin followers are dumb" list ?
974967;1421104719;kakobrekla;i dont see how those lists help with anything
974968;1421104833;mircea_popescu;pessimist!
974969;1421104835;mircea_popescu;http://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/gadgets-and-tech/news/whatsapp-and-snapchat-could-be-banned-under-new-surveillance-plans-9973035.html
974970;1421104837;assbot;WhatsApp and iMessage could be banned under new surveillance plans - News - Gadgets and Tech - The Independent ... ( http://bit.ly/1A9e9K0 )
974971;1421104850;mircea_popescu;basically "open government 2.0" cameroon wants to ban end to end encryption
974972;1421104881;mircea_popescu;i keep saying the boo boo about the us, but srsly, the uk is like idi amin's uganda compared.
974973;1421104947;cazalla;why would you use whatsapp and imessage if you want privacy? almost reads as if he is goading people into using it because it's hip and cool and he doesn't want you to use it
974974;1421104953;asciilifeform;^
974975;1421104994;kakobrekla;https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B63o0y1CEAAajCq.png lol
974976;1421104995;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1A9eDjj )
974977;1421105036;mircea_popescu;"The Essential Role of Mixing Services: BitMixer Processes 25K BTC per Month (Interview and Step-by-Step Guide Included)"
974978;1421105040;mircea_popescu;zese people.
974979;1421105044;cazalla;kakobrekla, apparently they've come through on the $20 floor and will buy it from users over a 15 year period or some shit
974980;1421105052;asciilifeform;'...and to insure that we are compliant' << lol!
974981;1421105055;asciilifeform;insure ?
974982;1421105059;mircea_popescu;srsly, how confused do you need to be to imagine mixing works in a dedicated mixing place.
974983;1421105068;kakobrekla;cazalla how is that 'come through'
974984;1421105101;mircea_popescu;so wait.
974985;1421105109;cazalla;it's not but it is hilarious all the same
974986;1421105115;mircea_popescu;wait wait. all that buying is gonna happen later ?!
974987;1421105164;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform insure ensure assure, affect, effect, infect etc. just outside of the redditard's literacy bubble.
974988;1421105215;kakobrekla;association bitcoin to scam has, to me, became stronger than nigeria to scam
974989;1421105235;cazalla;i'm not really following it now but they have some honour program now https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=857670.msg10125456#msg10125456
974990;1421105236;assbot;GAW Zen Hashlet PayCoin unofficial uncensored discussion. ALWAYS MAKE MONEY :-) ... ( http://bit.ly/1A9fnoO )
974991;1421105252;mircea_popescu;i fucked nigerians. i never fucked bitcoiners. kako's rule holds.
974992;1421105271;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11000 @ 0.00055357 = 6.0893 BTC [-]
974993;1421105298;kakobrekla;srsly, i dont wanna mention bitcoin irl anymo.
974994;1421105349;cazalla;perhaps garza's latest scheme with this honour program starting 1st feb is to push the price of paycoin back up to $20 so he can offload all his premined coins and then declare bankrupty come feb, who knows, so much bullshit makes my headspin
974995;1421105360;mircea_popescu;i never really was too hip on it. if peopel ask, sure, tell em things, answer q's. but the sort of blind "o look what new gadget i got" thing they do... meh. it only creates more idiots for mpoe-pr to claw at.
974996;1421105383;mircea_popescu;cazalla basically, "he lied, but it's okay". "he lied, but it's okay". "he lied, but it's okay". "he lied, but it's okay". "he lied, but it's okay". "he lied, but it's okay". "he lied, but it's okay". "he lied, but it's okay". "he lied, but it's okay". "he lied, but it's okay".
974997;1421105414;kakobrekla;idiots are already coming at maxint rate so one more or less who cares.
974998;1421105438;mircea_popescu;also true i guess.
974999;1421105496;mircea_popescu;kakobrekla i'll prove to you it makes a diff!
975000;1421105541;mircea_popescu;http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/2s2utx/the_hard_fork_missile_crisis/cnmqyth
975001;1421105542;assbot;kixunil comments on The Hard Fork Missile Crisis ... ( http://bit.ly/1A9g9lI )
975002;1421105551;mircea_popescu;now where did he get the source he rewrote there ?
975003;1421105608;kakobrekla;this actually works in your favor.
975004;1421105642;mircea_popescu;aha ?
975005;1421105656;mircea_popescu;<kakobrekla> i dont see how those lists help with anything << re that.
975006;1421105674;mircea_popescu;only time a redditor said something sane on reddit this week was when he was rewriting a trilema paragraph.
975007;1421105677;mircea_popescu;that's something!
975008;1421105696;kakobrekla;perhaps it was the log.
975009;1421105698;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17050 @ 0.00055357 = 9.4384 BTC [-]
975010;1421105723;kakobrekla;(cause the log is free hehe)
975011;1421105763;mircea_popescu;lol
975012;1421105770;mircea_popescu;mebbe it was, at that.
975013;1421105776;mircea_popescu;o right, i had forgotten
975014;1421105783;mircea_popescu;ITS GETTING MY CREDITS SOLD BUSTER
975015;1421105833;kakobrekla;yeah you better stfu.
975016;1421106186;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26100 @ 0.00055623 = 14.5176 BTC [+] {2} 
975017;1421106205;danielpbarron;Basically anyone who doesn't update their software will not be able to see the new blocks. They will be on an old network that would no longer be "bitcoin" - until they updated their software. It's very likely that this old network would have no transactions because nobody would bother mining it. --reddit
975018;1421106221;danielpbarron;bitcoin will no longer be bitcoin
975019;1421106438;mircea_popescu;because reddit sez so!
975020;1421106486;mircea_popescu;this adventure makes it quite obvious how the entire libertard political machine is intended to function. sort-of like, it ran into a ravine, now it's suspended, ands you can walk under it safely and admire all the pistons and whatnot without much risk.
975021;1421106533;mircea_popescu;reminds me of a much older but quite central asciilifeform point : "These fools have been handed a technology so clever, so disruptive and revolutionary, that the rulers of the world would have to fully unmask themselves as ruthless tyrants in order to suppress it, � or give up their thrones on their own free will � if it were used correctly, that is."
975022;1421106541;mircea_popescu;apparently... it is being used correctly eh.
975023;1421106601;asciilifeform;ilkka kokkarinen liked to call this concept 'heightening the contradictions.' also known as 'make'em gas you'
975024;1421106648;mircea_popescu;so far it;'s a lot more predictive-dialectic. "this is what you will say, and this is why you will be saying it, and this is how you'll respond to the previous statement, and this is why you did that, and this is how..."
975025;1421106659;mircea_popescu;supposedly the only form of psychotherapy that works. takes a while tho.
975026;1421106783;PeterL;;;later tell pete_dushenski your blog is on scoopbot's list, he just doesn't like you for some reason. I will look into it
975027;1421106784;gribble;The operation succeeded.
975028;1421106981;kakobrekla;whoever responsible for rss should commit suicide.
975029;1421107006;kakobrekla;o wait.
975030;1421107041;kakobrekla;this joke never dies,
975031;1421107047;kakobrekla;unlike the author.
975032;1421107223;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31200 @ 0.00055247 = 17.2371 BTC [-]
975033;1421107352;assbot;Last 4 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/2Q83DKB.txt )
975034;1421107352;BingoBoingo;!b 4
975035;1421107414;adlai;on the other hand, reiserfs takes a good idea through to a great execution
975036;1421107606;assbot;Last 1 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/3DACPZX.txt )
975037;1421107606;BingoBoingo;!b 1
975038;1421107650;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5383 @ 0.00056113 = 3.0206 BTC [+]
975039;1421109175;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23716 @ 0.00056113 = 13.3078 BTC [+]
975040;1421109908;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2000 @ 0.00056405 = 1.1281 BTC [+]
975041;1421110065;BingoBoingo;What could have been the A-10 of the sea... disappearing http://foxtrotalpha.jalopnik.com/end-of-the-ghetto-navy-is-in-sight-as-last-usn-frigate-1678669074
975042;1421110066;assbot;End Of The 'Ghetto Navy' Is In Sight As Last USN Frigate Cruise Begins ... ( http://bit.ly/1xW15Lc )
975043;1421110166;BingoBoingo;Replaced by aluminium canoes and trimarans
975044;1421110255;BingoBoingo;Well, that and the Wooden frigate that still sails under the US flag.
975045;1421111351;BingoBoingo;!up felipelalli
975046;1421111354;BingoBoingo;Hello felipelalli
975047;1421111432;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6600 @ 0.00056631 = 3.7376 BTC [+]
975048;1421111493;TomServo;Curious, block 338710 had only 1 transaction (the new coins) - is that common?
975049;1421111510;BingoBoingo;TomServo: Less so than it used to be
975050;1421111814;BingoBoingo;If these every get made they are going to have some serious stank at End of Life https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ohio_Replacement_Submarine
975051;1421111816;assbot;Ohio Replacement Submarine - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ... ( http://bit.ly/1AK4CMw )
975052;1421111835;BingoBoingo;42 year PLANNED service life...
975053;1421111954;ben_vulpes;BingoBoingo: the future is the zodiac - ak47 of the seas
975054;1421111962;ben_vulpes;subject of, did you ever read the book by the same title?
975055;1421112002;BingoBoingo;I haven't had the chance. Lately I've been trying to chew on Lucretius.
975056;1421112097;BingoBoingo;ben_vulpes: I'd like to make it through the St Johns college curriculumn before I'm 40 http://www.sjc.edu/academics/undergraduate/seminar/annapolis-undergraduate-readings/
975057;1421112098;assbot;St. John's College | Reading List - Great Books Curriculum - Philosophy ... ( http://bit.ly/1AK5qRo )
975058;1421112298;BingoBoingo;http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-11425451
975059;1421112299;assbot;BBC News - Tragic end to US rescue bid off Somali coast ... ( http://bit.ly/1AK5Ret )
975060;1421112374;ben_vulpes;great idea, BingoBoingo.
975061;1421112564;BingoBoingo;ben_vulpes: I actually gave attending that school a bit of thought as I was making choices, but... a more local small liberal arts college was offering a deal where I particularly wouldn't have to pay tuition to them. Best not to question the past though. I could have ended up some doomed postdoc in Oklahomo if I went to St John and actually read all of those books too young.
975062;1421112957;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5600 @ 0.00056405 = 3.1587 BTC [-]
975063;1421113008;asciilifeform;what was this thing about 'automated airgaps' ?! mega-lol!
975064;1421113079;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6519 @ 0.00056405 = 3.677 BTC [-]
975065;1421113150;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: I think it was someone trying to imitate actual airgap with diodes that could be switched on/off
975066;1421113354;asciilifeform;as if unidirectional flow were the only or even main purpose of airgap
975067;1421113405;BingoBoingo;Well one of those things where naive party picks one thing the effort accomplishes and tries to apporximate just that and says the whole thing is good enough.
975068;1421113439;BingoBoingo;I mean it isn't like cables are broadcast antennas or anything.... <sarcasm>
975069;1421113567;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 40265 @ 0.00056405 = 22.7115 BTC [-]
975070;1421113668;BingoBoingo;It's this peculiar miss that has people thinking the weapon of the US prison system is merely confinement, when the weapon is rectal violation.
975071;1421113835;ben_vulpes;;;ticker
975072;1421113836;gribble;Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 256.04, Best ask: 256.48, Bid-ask spread: 0.44000, Last trade: 256.04, 24 hour volume: 13899.60712385, 24 hour low: 253.11, 24 hour high: 272.43, 24 hour vwap: 0
975073;1421113856;BingoBoingo;It's not the punishment on paper to be feared, but the de facto hell cultured under the veil of paper.
975074;1421113864;BingoBoingo;;;ticker --market all
975075;1421113874;gribble;Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 256.03, vol: 13902.10697315 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 252.089, vol: 14817.55543 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 253.26, vol: 38286.92445787 | CampBX BTCUSD last: 273.0, vol: 19.90634687 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 248.102055, vol: 111935.43820000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 254.26313, vol: 59.72076094 | Bitcoin-Central BTCUSD last: 262.3744, vol: 102.84718136 | Volume-weighted last (1 more message)
975076;1421113892;BingoBoingo;Serious spreads.
975077;1421113971;BingoBoingo;!up WolfGoethe
975078;1421113994;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9200 @ 0.0005652 = 5.1998 BTC [+] {2} 
975079;1421113999;BingoBoingo;WolfGoethe: Thoughts on http://trilema.com/2015/heres-what-they-dont-tell-you-when-they-bring-you-those-papers-to-sign/
975080;1421114000;assbot;Here's what they don't tell you when they bring you those papers to sign pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.  ... ( http://bit.ly/1z2Muzc )
975081;1421114283;BingoBoingo;!up WolfGoet_
975082;1421114294;WolfGoet_;no opinion on the plea bargain, outside my expertise
975083;1421114330;BingoBoingo;Well, not on the plea bargain itself, but on the effects of any plea bargain.
975084;1421114431;WolfGoet_;don't know anything bout that stuff, but if I was facing 30 years....
975085;1421114467;BingoBoingo;Such sentences rarely survive... sentencing...
975086;1421114516;WolfGoet_;? what do u mean?
975087;1421114665;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17849 @ 0.00056729 = 10.1256 BTC [+] {2} 
975088;1421114692;WolfGoet_;i have a buddy at the nyc da's office. at vance's... i think ti was preet who got him tho, not vance. will ask him if they will stick to it
975089;1421114746;BingoBoingo;WolfGoet_: Prosecutors get to pile on all of the charges they can imagine. Many will die before trial, more die at jury deliberation, the ones a defendant gets sentenced on might reflect a tenth of what the inital charges scared the defendant into pleaing.
975090;1421114784;BingoBoingo;30 years proposed by a prosecutor is often 2-3 years by the time one has to report to jail.
975091;1421114856;BingoBoingo;Look fucker with the all special characters name. I can't up you until I can tab autocomplete your name.
975092;1421114867;BingoBoingo;Not technically, but on principal Imsaguy
975093;1421114894;BingoBoingo;!up imsaguy
975094;1421114901;BingoBoingo;Was that so fucking hard
975095;1421114904;[\\\];I can up myself
975096;1421114909;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 1200 @ 0.00083951 = 1.0074 BTC [+] {4} 
975097;1421114910;BingoBoingo;I know
975098;1421114911;[\\\];I was attempting to avoid the double switch
975099;1421114920;[\\\];since assbot has shitty cody
975100;1421114923;[\\\];code*
975101;1421114932;BingoBoingo;Well, assbot wasn't the obstacle.
975102;1421114941;*;BingoBoingo was
975103;1421114946;[\\\];so who is pleading?
975104;1421114957;BingoBoingo;Charlie Shrem plead.
975105;1421114961;[\\\];oh
975106;1421114961;BingoBoingo;Already happened.
975107;1421114972;[\\\];is trendon next?
975108;1421114981;BingoBoingo;Now Charlie before he reports to jail wonders why people don't want to collaborate with him.
975109;1421114988;[\\\];what'd he plead to? House arrest at mommy?
975110;1421115004;BingoBoingo;Well, given trendon's sins he'd be non-grata no matter the disposition
975111;1421115027;[\\\];There's always a chance for pleading.  Its just a matter of how far they're willing to go.
975112;1421115027;BingoBoingo;But Charlie basically as he tells it is going to a work camp where he will get EMAIL!!!
975113;1421115043;scoopbot;New post on Qntra.net by cazalla: http://qntra.net/2015/01/winning-poker-network-roll-out-bitcoin-depositwithdrawal-option/
975114;1421115050;[\\\];he'll get email, but it'll be opened, read, and recorded before he even sees it.
975115;1421115070;*;BingoBoingo is still not pleading to a misdemeanor disorderly conduct from 2013 on principal.
975116;1421115083;[\\\];did you tell at the judge?
975117;1421115089;[\\\];yell*
975118;1421115130;BingoBoingo;My lawyer hired to handle the paperwork of the case and preparation has made it clear to the prosecutor and judge both that no plea is incoming.
975119;1421115143;BingoBoingo;!up [\\\]
975120;1421115146;WolfGoet_;can't even visit japan as a felon...
975121;1421115156;WolfGoet_;ask Mike Tyson
975122;1421115167;[\\\];What's there to visit in Japan?
975123;1421115167;BingoBoingo;And yet the locals are the ones asking for extensions.
975124;1421115170;[\\\];radiation?
975125;1421115176;BingoBoingo;Gojira
975126;1421115190;[\\\];!up
975127;1421115200;[\\\];!up rickjamesbitch
975128;1421115216;WolfGoet_;roponigo is the most fun u can have in nightlife... just amazing fun
975129;1421115216;assbot;AMAZING COMPANY!
975130;1421115229;BingoBoingo;The local DA refuses trial because they might lose and I don't really care because fuck them, RESPECT MY AUTHORITIE!!!
975131;1421115245;[\\\];well, if it never goes to trial, you've won
975132;1421115252;[\\\];wait for SoL to run out
975133;1421115283;BingoBoingo;Nah, SOL isn't applicable anymore because they charged it.
975134;1421115307;BingoBoingo;Conviction is out of the question unless they man up and go to trial.
975135;1421115382;[\\\];if he charged?
975136;1421115383;kakobrekla;[\\\] the only shitty part is your understanding. its not assbot, its gribble.
975137;1421115391;[\\\];then you have 45 days
975138;1421115406;[\\\];kakobrekla: its assbat's usage of gribble
975139;1421115448;kakobrekla;actually its your retarded nick, idk i guess you wanted to hide after the pirate fiasco
975140;1421115468;assbot;Last 2 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/2N0451R.txt )
975141;1421115468;BingoBoingo;!b 2
975142;1421115509;[\\\];Hiding how?
975143;1421115515;[\\\];;;ident
975144;1421115516;gribble;Nick '[\\\]', with hostmask '[\\\]!\\\@unaffiliated/imsaguy', is not identified.
975145;1421115519;[\\\];doh
975146;1421115543;assbot;Last 4 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/35A2AGH.txt )
975147;1421115543;danielpbarron;!b 4
975148;1421115565;assbot;Last 90 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/0NHEZYV.txt )
975149;1421115565;[\\\];!b 90
975150;1421115569;[\\\];tada!
975151;1421115571;[\\\];all the bashes
975152;1421115584;BingoBoingo;Well, maybe also the part where you used to use a name that involved... letters
975153;1421115592;*;danielpbarron slaps [\\\] around a bit with a large bash
975154;1421115597;kakobrekla;;;gettrust assbot [ident "bingoboingo"]
975155;1421115598;gribble;Currently authenticated from hostmask BingoBoingo!~BingoBoin@unaffiliated/bingoboingo. Trust relationship from user assbot to user BingoBoingo: Level 1: 1, Level 2: 12 via 12 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=assbot&dest=BingoBoingo | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=BingoBoingo | Rated since: Wed Mar 20 03:45:45 2013
975156;1421115605;kakobrekla;;;gettrust assbot [ident "[\\\]"]
975157;1421115606;gribble;Error: I am not seeing this user on IRC. If you want information about a registered gpg user, try the 'gpg info' command instead.
975158;1421115615;kakobrekla;find yourself a real nick ?
975159;1421115616;[\\\];you have to escape the slashes
975160;1421115648;kakobrekla;until then you will do the nick dance if you wish to do so.
975161;1421115671;BingoBoingo;[\\\]: Or maybe you parade around you old name with actual letters as a badge of pride. Unless you have a reason not too, like embarassment.
975162;1421115754;[\\\];…
975163;1421115791;BingoBoingo;[\\\]: You let Pirate expand your butthole enough it gauge that gauge isn't the right unit of measure anymore, own it.
975164;1421115825;BingoBoingo;*in
975165;1421115825;[\\\];I do.  I've admitted to that.  This gets much fewer pms from randoms trying to trade/scam.
975166;1421115843;kakobrekla;interestingly i get 0.
975167;1421115850;[\\\];Congrats?
975168;1421115872;[\\\];I get 0 on this nick.
975169;1421115899;kakobrekla;hint: its not the nick, its the channels.
975170;1421115946;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 1325 @ 0.00084198 = 1.1156 BTC [+] {7} 
975171;1421115947;[\\\];I've not changed the channels.
975172;1421115956;kakobrekla;that be the problem.
975173;1421115976;[\\\];If it was the channels, this nick would get just as much, but it doesn't.
975174;1421115989;kakobrekla;stop talking nonsense.
975175;1421116035;*;BingoBoingo is Aaronman running through the forest chasing Egyptians
975176;1421116204;BingoBoingo;!up xanthyos
975177;1421116495;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7352 @ 0.00055225 = 4.0601 BTC [-] {2} 
975178;1421116514;kakobrekla;;;tslb
975179;1421116537;gribble;Time since last block: 50 minutes and 54 seconds
975180;1421116853;BingoBoingo;;;lasers
975181;1421116853;gribble;┌━ ┄ ┄ ┄ ┄ ┄ ┄ *pew!* *pew!* *pew!*
975182;1421116885;xanthyos;https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B7KyQehIIAEsMAJ.jpg
975183;1421116885;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1KE5ckv )
975184;1421117046;cazalla;xanthyos, i can just see some grandma buying that for her grandson thinking it's hip and cool because it's youtube
975185;1421117359;BingoBoingo;!up bigtip
975186;1421117504;BingoBoingo;Fuck you Hollywood. This looks nothing like James Spader in 'Secretary' http://i.kinja-img.com/gawker-media/image/upload/s--K7RPq4gg--/qujcfwozlsdnc7lwosib.png
975187;1421117505;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1KE6wUj )
975188;1421117654;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18000 @ 0.0005686 = 10.2348 BTC [+] {3} 
975189;1421117789;BingoBoingo;!up sinetek
975190;1421117799;sinetek;thx
975191;1421117830;BingoBoingo;What's up?
975192;1421117916;BingoBoingo;!up svetlana
975193;1421118203;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6244 @ 0.00053798 = 3.3591 BTC [-] {2} 
975194;1421118301;svetlana;thanks, i can't be bothered to register with gribble
975195;1421118348;BingoBoingo;svetlana: Well, understandable. atm. How long have you been lurking. Just since the rogue DDoS bot here was complained about in other channels, right?
975196;1421118508;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 61920 @ 0.000575 = 35.604 BTC [+]
975197;1421118691;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11042 @ 0.00057515 = 6.3508 BTC [+] {2} 
975198;1421118752;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7857 @ 0.00057551 = 4.5218 BTC [+] {2} 
975199;1421118760;kakobrekla;;;ticker
975200;1421118761;gribble;Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 251.25, Best ask: 251.41, Bid-ask spread: 0.16000, Last trade: 251.25, 24 hour volume: 15643.13842182, 24 hour low: 250.61, 24 hour high: 272.43, 24 hour vwap: 0
975201;1421118780;kakobrekla;it is now 0.
975202;1421118852;BingoBoingo;;;ticker --market all
975203;1421118864;gribble;Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 246.0, vol: 17016.60396927 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 242.282, vol: 16267.89814 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 245.92, vol: 42382.27194518 | CampBX BTCUSD last: 273.0, vol: 19.42285564 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 243.563, vol: 113288.72240000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 254.26313, vol: 59.82076094 | Bitcoin-Central BTCUSD last: 260.832, vol: 102.10615004 | Volume-weighted last average: (1 more message)
975204;1421118878;BingoBoingo;Bitstamps is dead.
975205;1421118891;BingoBoingo;*Blowstamps are dead. Long live BTC.
975206;1421118899;BingoBoingo;!up mircea_popescu
975207;1421118914;mircea_popescu;allo!
975208;1421118917;BingoBoingo;ATM options motherfuckers seem to be following Buttstamp
975209;1421118941;BingoBoingo;But... Looks like a price desynchronization between Buttstamp and et al is beginning.
975210;1421118943;kakobrekla;atm options ?
975211;1421118952;BingoBoingo;kakobrekla: Buttfinex
975212;1421118956;kakobrekla;pretty much all markets cept mebbe china look at buttstamp
975213;1421118981;BingoBoingo;kakobrekla: And yet CampBX which only takes postal money orders is booming
975214;1421118994;kakobrekla;BingoBoingo actually i noted this desync yesterday , but on another chan.
975215;1421119008;kakobrekla;the problem with desync is sheep.
975216;1421119036;BingoBoingo;kakobrekla: Indeed. Funny to follow Buttstamp begining its accelerated Gox death.
975217;1421119089;mircea_popescu;what, are the exchanges low or something ?
975218;1421119089;kakobrekla;tbh i have seen enough of this comedy for my taste :|
975219;1421119129;BingoBoingo;kakobrekla: Well, almonds and cyanide both taste bitter and yes this sucks major donkey dick.
975220;1421119135;kakobrekla;soon i wont know what my belly is hurting from, laughter or hunger
975221;1421119162;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: Seems Bitstamp and Bitfinex sorts are leading a downward trend.
975222;1421119183;mircea_popescu;aha
975223;1421119204;mircea_popescu;"oh hai guise, we move to san francisco to halp with the price supression pls to take us moar srs"
975224;1421119223;BingoBoingo;kakobrekla: If necessary I will fucking punch a deer to death and fly it out to you sometime around November.
975225;1421119244;mircea_popescu;poor deer
975226;1421119249;kakobrekla;lol!
975227;1421119283;BingoBoingo;Seriously poor deer, but pummeling is good for flavor.
975228;1421119331;kakobrekla;but idk why sell if you can withdraw, withdrawals are supposedly working.
975229;1421119340;BingoBoingo;And usualy here get the better out of it than persons so it should be a fair fight http://www.dailyillini.com/news/article_4f40f150-c23e-5ae1-812a-a0ee8beeb873.html
975230;1421119342;assbot;SIU warns campus about deer attacks  - The Daily Illini : News ... ( http://bit.ly/1FNU9oN )
975231;1421119381;kakobrekla;as long as you are not with the last 18k you are good
975232;1421119396;BingoBoingo;kakobrekla: Fear of the unknown. It is a special hell. Was so for Gox too. Just remember you were the one who first marked Buttstamp for death.
975233;1421119415;kakobrekla;but on gox you could not withdraw.
975234;1421119425;BingoBoingo;kakobrekla: I can't blame you though if you hit the portal vein instead of the carotid.
975235;1421119436;kakobrekla;heh
975236;1421119485;BingoBoingo;Slower death, appears cleaner externally, actual mortality seems more sudden.
975237;1421119557;assbot;Last 1 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/1J1C2AN.txt )
975238;1421119557;kakobrekla;!b 1
975239;1421119591;cazalla;maybe shrem was fishing for donations this morning.. looking at https://twitter.com/CharlieShrem/status/546367889625079808 yet all these people who asked to support him financially only able to muster 1.4 btc before newsbtc paycoin site dropped 4 btc in his pocket
975240;1421119592;assbot;Thanks so much for your support! Some have asked to support financially. Thank you! 1JauAZU9zLgR5C4D2QLQUGZMzEC1s6ZpVi /hashtag/Bitcoin?src=hash Please RT
975241;1421119622;BingoBoingo;https://twitter.com/benjammingh/status/554841237790789632
975242;1421119624;assbot;Instead of banning crypto, they could just legally require that everyone is only allowed to use PGP. Effectively the same thing.
975243;1421119670;kakobrekla;so shrem sold all the buttcoins for ze lawyers
975244;1421119686;kakobrekla;well, thats one way of decrypting the private key.
975245;1421119700;mircea_popescu;lol
975246;1421119700;BingoBoingo;Charlie plead. He's on the otherside. Personally i've been doing Butt kegels and practicing knife fighting drills with a toothbrush.
975247;1421119716;mircea_popescu;no, ineffectively the same thing. i'd actually support that "ban"
975248;1421119754;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo hopefully we don't get to find out.
975249;1421119773;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: Most of All I hope I don't have to find out.
975250;1421119778;mircea_popescu;hehe
975251;1421119787;kakobrekla;https://twitter.com/thegrugq/status/554842343329632257
975252;1421119788;assbot;“/BBoingo: /benjammingh I use GPG, you suck a big bag of dicks. /thegrugq”< http://t.co/MnynJ1pjzW
975253;1421119789;kakobrekla;you got candy.
975254;1421119798;BingoBoingo;Fuck yeah
975255;1421119846;BingoBoingo;Seriosuly though what is a muscle bound negroid former highschool running back going to do when I slice his dick with my butt kegels to defeat prison rape?
975256;1421119885;mircea_popescu;are you growing teeth too ?
975257;1421119991;BingoBoingo;Well I dunno I'd have to grow them. Now that Obummercare offers dental my dentist prother is pulling many more teeth than he drills.... Can prolly make a prosthetic...
975258;1421120059;BingoBoingo;https://twitter.com/BBoingo/status/554843818970062849
975259;1421120060;assbot;Instead of banning crypto, they could just legally require that everyone is only allowed to use PGP. Effectively the same thing.
975260;1421120141;BingoBoingo;I wonder how many of these people are going to miss the point of my candy.
975261;1421120208;BingoBoingo;https://twitter.com/benjammingh/status/554844101120512000
975262;1421120209;assbot;Instead of banning crypto, they could just legally require that everyone is only allowed to use PGP. Effectively the same thing.
975263;1421120215;BingoBoingo;@benjammingh What is this start saving business. You retain that motherfucker. @thegrugq
975264;1421120379;BingoBoingo;AM I THE ONLY FUCKING AMERICAN WHO HAS A DEFENSE PREPARED AGAINST KINGPIN STATUE CHARGES WHILE AVOIDING DRUG BUSINESS
975265;1421120382;BingoBoingo;fuckers.
975266;1421120404;BingoBoingo;Maybe us crypto extremists are a minority.
975267;1421120412;mircea_popescu;lmao that poor guy
975268;1421120516;BingoBoingo;cazalla: You need a period befor your @ replies so they are massively public
975269;1421120537;BingoBoingo;I am anger!!!
975270;1421120582;cazalla;how do you mean?
975271;1421120627;BingoBoingo;cazalla: If you start a reply with @ it goes to your lesser replies and bullshit feed
975272;1421120651;BingoBoingo;Instead of your, calling motherfuckers out feed
975273;1421120690;cazalla;yeah, that's why i always use with_replies for other's feeds, it's such a stupid fucking setup the way they have it, timeline isn't even a timeline these days with it not being in chronological order
975274;1421120732;BingoBoingo;!up mircea_popescu
975275;1421120736;mircea_popescu;TomServo: Curious, block 338710 had only 1 transaction (the new coins) - is that common? << empty blocks used to make up 10-20% of the chain a year or so ago.
975276;1421120815;kakobrekla;fucking empty blocks, we should make blocksize smaller.
975277;1421120974;mircea_popescu;lawl
975278;1421121065;BingoBoingo;business card of the Treasury agent who visited me last summer in case anyone missed it. FBI agent said he "forgot" his card: https://imgur.com/FYaDobY
975279;1421121066;assbot;                        imgur: the simple image sharer ... ( http://bit.ly/1AKqdEt )
975280;1421121108;mircea_popescu;here's a thought : F35 Program cost US$1.0165 trillion (projected). Trident program cost  $39.546 billion (to date)
975281;1421121131;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10143 @ 0.00057669 = 5.8494 BTC [+] {2} 
975282;1421121137;BingoBoingo;Right, and which of them "hurts" a theoretically more important enemy...
975283;1421121141;BingoBoingo;!up jborkl_
975284;1421121177;jborkl_;Cex dropping cloud mining sure shot the diff to shit
975285;1421121187;BingoBoingo;;;bc,stats
975286;1421121193;mircea_popescu;odd huh.
975287;1421121212;BingoBoingo;jborkl_: Well Cex.io was the big 2013 scam. And it dies nao.
975288;1421121222;gribble;Current Blocks: 338725 | Current Difficulty: 4.397166205608958E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 340703 | Next Difficulty In: 1978 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 2 weeks, 1 day, 8 hours, and 0 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 27309364098.3 | Estimated Percent Change: -37.89326
975289;1421121243;kakobrekla;lolwut
975290;1421121253;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 92707 @ 0.00052801 = 48.9502 BTC [-] {6} 
975291;1421121263;kakobrekla;is this real world?
975292;1421121273;jborkl_;Yeah, hard to believe. A little further into the diff to make sure
975293;1421121289;TomServo;wisdom is reporting +2.81%
975294;1421121293;BingoBoingo;kakobrekla: Last year in my survey on BTC hovels... Motherfuckers who loved Inputs.io also loved Cex.io
975295;1421121314;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 72100 @ 0.00051095 = 36.8395 BTC [-] {3} 
975296;1421121316;mircea_popescu;TomServo yeah i dunno how good that gribble estimate is.
975297;1421121327;TomServo;gribble might be recovering from outage?
975298;1421121333;mike_c;https://bitcoinwisdom.com/bitcoin/difficulty
975299;1421121334;assbot;Bitcoin Difficulty and Hashrate Chart - BitcoinWisdom ... ( http://bit.ly/1AKqJCw )
975300;1421121337;mike_c;gribble is on crack
975301;1421121341;mike_c;smoking the good stuff
975302;1421121348;mike_c;+2.81%
975303;1421121364;jborkl_;No, it is correct but only accurate for small amount of the diff
975304;1421121365;mircea_popescu;http://bitcoin.sipa.be/speed-small-lin-2k.png
975305;1421121366;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1AKqOWE )
975306;1421121370;mircea_popescu;there IS a sort of drp]
975307;1421121379;mircea_popescu;but im not so sure it's actually anything but noise
975308;1421121386;BingoBoingo;<mike_c> gribble is on crack << crack doesn't work like... that...
975309;1421121417;mike_c;sort of a drop != -37%
975310;1421121431;jborkl_;Hard to tell until 500 blocks into the diff
975311;1421121434;mircea_popescu;mike_c grible early period estimate is usually noisy.
975312;1421121435;kakobrekla;actually if there is no major drop there was no miners ?
975313;1421121444;mircea_popescu;kakobrekla quite.
975314;1421121444;kakobrekla;or they still running.
975315;1421121455;mircea_popescu;cex was a fiction that became unproductive.
975316;1421121462;mike_c;ok, this isn't hard.  i'll do the maff
975317;1421121464;jborkl_;There was a hour and a half block earlier
975318;1421121477;mircea_popescu;mike_c yeah it's hard on short data.
975319;1421121509;*;BingoBoingo remembers a strong overlap between CEX.io fans and Inputs.io fans.
975320;1421121540;*;kakobrekla needs to get b-a.io
975321;1421121546;mircea_popescu;lol
975322;1421121649;kakobrekla;and open a fan club
975323;1421121655;kakobrekla;we can call it Slovenly Fan Club
975324;1421121665;kakobrekla;better than Nasty, no?
975325;1421121692;mike_c;;;calc (12*60 + 12)/37
975326;1421121693;gribble;19.7837837838
975327;1421121714;kakobrekla;19 ?
975328;1421121723;mike_c;um, yeah.  sell!
975329;1421121728;mike_c;19m per block
975330;1421121729;mircea_popescu;lol nasty actually means dirty huh
975331;1421121741;kakobrekla;i think so ya
975332;1421121758;mike_c;phew, i miscalculated
975333;1421121765;mike_c;;;calc 612/37
975334;1421121765;gribble;16.5405405405
975335;1421121793;mike_c;i was wrong, maff is hard.  16.5 mins per block.  but anyway, last 500 block time is fine.
975336;1421121838;BingoBoingo;Nasty means worse than dirty.
975337;1421121850;BingoBoingo;Dirty could merely mean slutty or muddy.
975338;1421121857;mircea_popescu;well so does slovenly
975339;1421121862;BingoBoingo;Masty means a rash is unavoidable though.
975340;1421121870;BingoBoingo;*Nasty
975341;1421121885;kakobrekla;http://bitbet.us/bet/1095/bitcoin-to-drop-under-200-before-feb/
975342;1421121886;assbot;BitBet - Bitcoin to drop under 200$ before Feb :: 1.05 B (16%) on Yes, 5.38 B (84%) on No | closing in 1 week 1 day| weight: 56`348 (100`000 to 10`000) ... ( http://bit.ly/1y65SM1 )
975343;1421121892;kakobrekla;whats the holdup?
975344;1421122093;BingoBoingo;Puppies?
975345;1421122144;mike_c;omg.  the holdup is the stupid 1 week buffer on a 3 week bet.
975346;1421122148;kakobrekla;but honestly im not sure this is desync bb.
975347;1421122157;mike_c;i am drowning in work over here, but i will get that article out soon
975348;1421122192;*;BingoBoingo is operating cognitavely for the next several hours at the level of unfiltered id
975349;1421122270;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo: 30 years proposed by a prosecutor is often 2-3 years by the time one has to report to jail. << well, how's that plea bargain supposed to go, "oh, so you're offering 3 meals a day and free housing, over 30 years that's about 350k give or take. pay me say 175`000.00 in one lump up front and i might let the charges go".
975350;1421122295;mircea_popescu;generally prosecutor has little option, going through with it costs more before the thing even gets to a jury.
975351;1421122301;BingoBoingo;Yeah
975352;1421122346;BingoBoingo;And fuckers still wonder why I want to turn a misdemeanor disorderly conduct into a battle of "NO U"
975353;1421122387;mircea_popescu;they want out of it, better bring some money.
975354;1421122412;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16700 @ 0.0005 = 8.35 BTC [-]
975355;1421122413;mircea_popescu;not like it should dent the budget of the greatest country in the world anyway, got 1 trn to spend on imaginary planes.
975356;1421122415;BingoBoingo;Or at least let me motorboat the ADA's tits.
975357;1421122427;mircea_popescu;lol
975358;1421122505;BingoBoingo;I mean I would take on a county misdemeanor "court supervision" if I were able at the same time to slander the county by motorboating the ADA under court order.
975359;1421122513;BingoBoingo;But... no compromises
975360;1421122540;BingoBoingo;!up mircea_popescu
975361;1421122555;mircea_popescu;danke
975362;1421122580;BingoBoingo;Basically county surrenders to me or no deal. Even then no deal, because their act of surrender is exonerating.
975363;1421122649;BingoBoingo;!up Evolyn
975364;1421122656;mircea_popescu;kakobrekla: hint: its not the nick, its the channels. << he got you there [/\/\/\]
975365;1421122806;kakobrekla;actually its [\\\\\\]
975366;1421122830;BingoBoingo;Actually grep >> niggers.txt
975367;1421122872;mircea_popescu;http://trilema.com/2012/geeks-are-sexy-bang-one/
975368;1421122873;assbot;Geeks are sexy. Bang one. pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.  ... ( http://bit.ly/1y68rO9 )
975369;1421122900;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15700 @ 0.0005 = 7.85 BTC [-]
975370;1421123020;mircea_popescu;http://www.quora.com/Who-will-win-the-Bitcoin-blocksize-war << eh
975371;1421123021;assbot;Who will win the Bitcoin blocksize war? - Quora ... ( http://bit.ly/1y68Pfn )
975372;1421123078;mircea_popescu;"[EDIT2] I've never seen so much stupidty concentrated in the same space as so much unpleasantness since I was in high school. Even if Popescu and his friends are right, they deserve to be left on a fork and lose all their precious play-money. This is why I usually avoid reading anything non-technical about Bitcoin. I'm going back to that policy, the pain was not worth the Quora credits."
975373;1421123082;mircea_popescu;they DESERVE.
975374;1421123087;mircea_popescu;because that's how teh internets work
975375;1421123101;mircea_popescu;ah this rape will be like... the sweetest rape in the history of that generally sweet article.
975376;1421123109;mircea_popescu;im saving galon bottles of nerd tears.
975377;1421123130;mod6;grape 'em in the mouth
975378;1421123144;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5500 @ 0.0004998 = 2.7489 BTC [-]
975379;1421123151;mircea_popescu;"Not the least of my reasons is that Mircea Popescu seems to be a thoroughly dislikeable, arrogant, smug, elitist and condescending chap. He makes every disagreement a personal dispute between his own superior intellect and the stupid idiots that are not him. His attitude towards Andresen, the public, the poor and the residents of Mali is despicable."
975380;1421123155;mircea_popescu;despicable eh ?
975381;1421123172;BingoBoingo;Fuck If I get this library job I interviewed for next week I am buying 30 petahash and forcing this issue.
975382;1421123195;BingoBoingo;How are all of those words not compliments.
975383;1421123223;BingoBoingo;Those words are merely mediocre praise compared to what I lavish on Kakobrekla.
975384;1421123231;mircea_popescu;"[EDIT] There is an explanation of the possible problem with increasing the block size in the comment section here Gavin Andresen Proposes Scalability Roadmap and Hardfork, which is much more informative that Mr Popsescu's own vindictive rambling."
975385;1421123268;mircea_popescu;"oh look, what mp said back in october when he was being nice about it is a lot easier to follow than what he's saying now, once the fuckwits in question ignored the polite approach. isn't it mp's fault that gavin is an idiot!"
975386;1421123273;mircea_popescu;"and also it's his fault mali is poor!"
975387;1421123283;mircea_popescu;fatlogic, nice going.
975388;1421123312;mike_c;well, at least he acknowledged your superior intellect ;)
975389;1421123354;mircea_popescu;heh
975390;1421123368;mircea_popescu;if you look at it, so fucking weird what burns these people.
975391;1421123378;mircea_popescu;"o no, he said he's smarter than me!11"
975392;1421123387;mircea_popescu;"where"
975393;1421123391;mircea_popescu;"well... he implied it!"
975394;1421123393;mircea_popescu;"how ?
975395;1421123393;BingoBoingo;The thing the fuckers are incapable of ever acknowledging will be the later less polite arguments. They are inoculated agaisnt it. When they come to reason everything the cite will have been written in 2013.
975396;1421123400;BingoBoingo;!up tripleslash
975397;1421123409;mircea_popescu;"by not specifying otherwise multiple times and using these prefab expressions"
975398;1421123409;BingoBoingo;!up aegis
975399;1421123415;tripleslash;damn squatters
975400;1421123450;BingoBoingo;maybe be more specific slashe' de tres
975401;1421123510;BingoBoingo;Seriously imsaguy, the pirateat40 era history is your biggest asset. Milk it.
975402;1421123515;BingoBoingo;Make people learn.
975403;1421123541;[\\\];hold on, I'll get it
975404;1421123552;[\\\];and no, imsaguy needs to die.
975405;1421123572;BingoBoingo;Pretty sure he can't unless...
975406;1421123574;pirateat40;this is available
975407;1421123577;mircea_popescu;i kinda liked imsaguy
975408;1421123597;BingoBoingo;imsaguy is a naturally repentant name.
975409;1421123616;BingoBoingo;bunch of non letter characters seems cancerous.
975410;1421123632;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23700 @ 0.0004998 = 11.8453 BTC [-]
975411;1421123675;scoopbot;New post on The Whet by han@thewhet: http://thewhet.net/2015/if-you-look-closely-youll-see-the-other-players-were-all-holograms/
975412;1421123737;ben_vulpes;what did you guys do - like 500lines in the past three hours?
975413;1421123740;ben_vulpes;sheeit
975414;1421123746;pirateat40;balls
975415;1421123755;rithm;i got you now pirateat40
975416;1421123760;rithm;you're going to jail
975417;1421123761;ben_vulpes;whoa
975418;1421123766;rithm;fucker
975419;1421123767;ben_vulpes;;;ident pirateat40
975420;1421123767;gribble;CAUTION: irc nick differs from otc registered nick. Nick 'pirateat40', with hostmask 'pirateat40!\\\@unaffiliated/imsaguy', is identified as user 'imsaguy', with GPG key id 7D7EA76776E6CE48, key fingerprint A1398F4C58AC3D387F012AFA7D7EA76776E6CE48, and bitcoin address 1Hf5qWZzd2WsrDwLhkykNc4uXPAkykg9PM
975421;1421123776;ben_vulpes;mk
975422;1421123786;*;rithm dials 911
975423;1421123797;*;rithm /joins #bitcoin-police
975424;1421123810;ben_vulpes;#bitcoin-court too, while you're at it
975425;1421123821;pirateat40;hold on, Ill brb
975426;1421123823;mircea_popescu;that still exists ?
975427;1421123824;rithm;pirateat40 smooth move exlax
975428;1421123831;rithm;best nick change evar
975429;1421123839;pirateat40;repo'd
975430;1421123849;rithm;nice
975431;1421123863;rithm;that is so much more tab completable
975432;1421124047;tripleslash;how about `0?
975433;1421124065;tripleslash;its like a feather
975434;1421124121;BingoBoingo;So, what would fuckers here offer for "bitcoin police" badges
975435;1421124121;ben_vulpes;hola hanbot
975436;1421124156;mircea_popescu;hanbot fifa scamming you hard eh ?
975437;1421124177;ben_vulpes;<mircea_popescu> [] what's 3 oz refer to ? << can't really b'leev that 3 oz of weed makes anyone anything
975438;1421124188;ben_vulpes;3 oz of blow is like maybe a vulpes eyebrow
975439;1421124196;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes i imagine the point was to humiliate through the low bar.
975440;1421124198;ben_vulpes;not even a quarter key at that point
975441;1421124204;ben_vulpes;m oh
975442;1421124206;hanbot;buenas tardes ben_vulpes
975443;1421124209;*;ben_vulpes doesn't into the irony today
975444;1421124213;ben_vulpes;look my whole shop called in sick
975445;1421124215;ben_vulpes;AT ONCE
975446;1421124219;ben_vulpes;my sense of humor's kind of shot.
975447;1421124227;hanbot;what did you feed them?
975448;1421124243;ben_vulpes;nothing! i was derping on the mountain all weekend.
975449;1421124259;ben_vulpes;except for those 10 hours reading through the intertwined wallet/transaction generation code in 0.5.3
975450;1421124316;BingoBoingo;<mircea_popescu> ben_vulpes i imagine the point was to humiliate through the low bar. << It isn't the mass, but the on-demand
975451;1421124345;BingoBoingo;!up asciilifeform
975452;1421124356;ben_vulpes;<mircea_popescu> [] http://staceyjayya.blogspot.co.uk/2015/01/transparency.html << why not start a kickstarter. << a "failed kickstarter" person is doing the "meetup" circuit in my town
975453;1421124358;assbot;Stacey Jay, author: Transparency ... ( http://bit.ly/1y6bxSa )
975454;1421124373;ben_vulpes;hee
975455;1421124375;ben_vulpes;!up mircea_popescu
975456;1421124381;ben_vulpes;!down mircea_popescu
975457;1421124382;hanbot;mircea_popescu fifa scamming you hard eh ?  << srsly. asshats.
975458;1421124398;ben_vulpes;ahaha oh man once in a quarter irc lulzportunity
975459;1421124402;tripleslash;is that a thing?
975460;1421124405;tripleslash;#bitcoi-asshats?
975461;1421124414;mircea_popescu;you know it doesn't do anything right
975462;1421124483;*;ben_vulpes shrugs
975463;1421124486;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8650 @ 0.00049635 = 4.2934 BTC [-] {2} 
975464;1421124486;ben_vulpes;so what?
975465;1421124486;hanbot;tripleslash i thought #bitcoin-asshats is just everything non-#b-a
975466;1421124496;ben_vulpes;so you auth and up or whatever
975467;1421124511;ben_vulpes;or the semantics are totally bulloxed
975468;1421124544;mircea_popescu;waiting for the new assbot
975469;1421124568;[]bot;Bet placed: 1 BTC for Yes on "Bitcoin to drop under 200$ before Feb" http://bitbet.us/bet/1095/ Odds: 28(Y):72(N) by coin, 25(Y):75(N) by weight. Total bet: 7.43877896 BTC. Current weight: 56,185.
975470;1421124590;rithm;there's a new assbot
975471;1421124631;tripleslash;hanbot: what happens when someone trolls you and drops #bitcoin-assets?
975472;1421124668;mircea_popescu;https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=919629.msg10124615#msg10124615 << tardstalk lulz of the day
975473;1421124669;assbot;Fork off ... ( http://bit.ly/1ydRVZt )
975474;1421124669;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2793 @ 0.0005 = 1.3965 BTC [+]
975475;1421124681;mircea_popescu;"hardfork is considered by a majority of items nobody asked compatible with bitcoin and its rules"
975476;1421124686;mircea_popescu;fatlogic is like, best logic.
975477;1421124770;kakobrekla;lulz https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=919629.msg10124504#msg10124504
975478;1421124770;assbot;Fork off ... ( http://bit.ly/1ydS7rp )
975479;1421124778;kakobrekla;somebody tell the guy you can click on the timestamp.
975480;1421124791;mircea_popescu;lol
975481;1421124801;kakobrekla;too bad he didnt take pic with phone
975482;1421124828;mircea_popescu;i imagine it's passive-aggressive "i will crop a screenshot rather than link because somehow links from this shithole matter in the grand scheme, whereas 15 minutes of my life are worth squat"
975483;1421124849;mircea_popescu;fatlogicians will fatlogic *consistently* lol
975484;1421124926;hanbot;tripleslash i'm only trollable by large sports organizations.
975485;1421124938;assbot;Last 1 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/0633TAM.txt )
975486;1421124938;kakobrekla;!b 1
975487;1421125122;mircea_popescu;so any bets/guesses as to what price bitcoin needs to touch for coinbase to fire 9 workers ?
975488;1421125143;mircea_popescu;http://qntra.net/2015/01/winning-poker-network-roll-out-bitcoin-depositwithdrawal-option/ << cazalla did i hear they don't actually honor withdraws ?
975489;1421125144;assbot;Winning Poker Network Roll Out Bitcoin Deposit/Withdrawal Option | Qntra.net ... ( http://bit.ly/1y6dfTL )
975490;1421125584;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3207 @ 0.00052122 = 1.6716 BTC [+]
975491;1421126226;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: You did indeed. THey plan on withdrawals... later
975492;1421126385;mircea_popescu;ah
975493;1421126426;rithm;withdrawals enabled after x balance amirite
975494;1421126435;rithm;get that revenue first
975495;1421126467;rithm;ok ok maybe withdrawals enabled never
975496;1421126479;BingoBoingo;https://twitter.com/BBoingo/status/554870737350426624
975497;1421126480;assbot;“/BBoingo: /benjammingh I use GPG, you suck a big bag of dicks. /thegrugq”< http://t.co/MnynJ1pjzW
975498;1421126517;rithm;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OT7xc_XqYO8
975499;1421126519;assbot;Louis CK Suck a Bag of Dicks - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1DS7W97 )
975500;1421126574;BingoBoingo;https://twitter.com/BBoingo/status/554871148442558464
975501;1421126575;assbot;/marymad /BBoingo /benjammingh more dick that you can shake a stick at.
975502;1421126801;BingoBoingo;https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=911394.msg10133759#msg10133759
975503;1421126801;assbot;Did pools scare Satoshi away? ... ( http://bit.ly/1DS8Pia )
975504;1421127101;mircea_popescu;oh yeah, that tidbit.
975505;1421127103;mircea_popescu;"Bruce Wagner : When was the last time you chatted to satoshi <laugh>
975506;1421127103;mircea_popescu;Gavin Andresen: Um... I haven't had email from satoshi in a couple months actually. The last email I sent him I actually told him I was going to talk at the CIA. So it's possible , that.... that may have um had something to with his deciding"
975507;1421127130;mircea_popescu;i suppose the part where satoshi pretty much left because he couldn't believe just how fucking idiotic gavin is doesn't really make the cut of what reddit likes to discuss huh.
975508;1421127166;BingoBoingo;Honestly probing satoshi's binaries. He started BTC with dumb ideas. Not implementing those dumb ideas and discouraging other people from the same was his legacy.
975509;1421127242;BingoBoingo;The thing is... Agent Broachwala showing up at your doorstep won't make you persona non-grata, but cooperating with agent Broachwala will
975510;1421127414;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14300 @ 0.00050424 = 7.2106 BTC [-]
975511;1421127441;BingoBoingo;!up TomServo
975512;1421127480;BingoBoingo;So, in a tremendous blow for liberty Ohio State won the College football championship tonight.
975513;1421127540;TomServo;Thanks BingoBoingo
975514;1421127546;BingoBoingo;Yw
975515;1421127561;rithm;BingoBoingo mizzou is doing a hell of a good job in the sec
975516;1421127590;BingoBoingo;rithm: Thanks. My biggest surprise is they surrendered on orange ball.
975517;1421127590;rithm;urban meyer is a ig phony though he left florida for "his family"
975518;1421127597;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6800 @ 0.00051122 = 3.4763 BTC [+]
975519;1421127604;rithm;now he's off winngin championships in ohio
975520;1421127627;BingoBoingo;Urban Meyer is legit. Just his flaw is convincing people Ohio is habitable.
975521;1421127640;BingoBoingo;The20Year committed the same sin.
975522;1421127681;cazalla;mircea_popescu, been around a long time so i doubt it, from what i read the customer support are just clueless and withdrawals are not enabled yet.. they're working on getting the money in, worry about letting people getting it out later lol
975523;1421127685;BingoBoingo;Now, sure SEC west was overrated this year apparently, but SEC East was hella under rated
975524;1421127714;mircea_popescu;cazalla they been arounbd a long time with no withdraws ?
975525;1421127718;mircea_popescu;i never heard of em myself
975526;1421127739;cazalla;cash withdraws ok afaik
975527;1421127746;cazalla;just this bitcoin thing, not so much
975528;1421127753;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: Fiat operation. Apprently they impolemented the wrong side first
975529;1421127759;mircea_popescu;o
975530;1421127762;mircea_popescu;oic
975531;1421127763;cazalla;ACR was doyle's room from memory until poker ban and then doyle had his name scrubbed from it
975532;1421127769;mircea_popescu;yaya
975533;1421127776;mircea_popescu;now it clicked
975534;1421127780;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27450 @ 0.000501 = 13.7525 BTC [-] {2} 
975535;1421128208;BingoBoingo;!up felipelalli
975536;1421128216;BingoBoingo;felipelalli: U got voice nao
975537;1421128268;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4900 @ 0.00051122 = 2.505 BTC [+]
975538;1421128367;felipelalli;cex.io pausing mining: what do you guys think about it?
975539;1421128406;BingoBoingo;felipelalli: Cex.io was very big at exactly the same time inputs.io was big. My feeling is that it was predatory the whole time.
975540;1421128451;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 4248 @ 0.00081155 = 3.4475 BTC [-] {22} 
975541;1421128614;felipelalli;thank you BingoBoingo. Are you guys going to write something about it in qntra.net?
975542;1421128700;BingoBoingo;I have no immediate plans to write on that, but if CEX dies completely...
975543;1421128721;cazalla;felipelalli, i did, i don't know enough about CEX to call it either way but fact network continues to grow without them raising some questions
975544;1421128721;tripleslash;people still buying AM?
975545;1421128739;cazalla;raises.. i mean
975546;1421128742;tripleslash;cazalla, how long have they been suspended?
975547;1421128747;tripleslash;a few days?
975548;1421128755;tripleslash;its too early to say network is still growing.
975549;1421128769;cazalla;announcement said they would suspend miners after the next diff change which was this morning
975550;1421128774;tripleslash;right
975551;1421128786;tripleslash;so until next diffchange, its impossible to say whether network is growing or shrinking
975552;1421128787;cazalla;tripleslash, you would see it in hash rate eh?
975553;1421128791;tripleslash;right now its all luck
975554;1421128801;tripleslash;there's a reson difficulty isnt changed each block
975555;1421128805;tripleslash;reason*
975556;1421128861;tripleslash;joecool, everyone's favorite cool joe
975557;1421128864;tripleslash;!up joecool
975558;1421128874;tripleslash;!up tripleslash
975559;1421128937;cazalla;tripleslash, yeah i know, i just don't really care enough about these guys to go chasing up the current hash rate and doing some math to figure out if a 12-24 hour drop is because they turned miners off or if no drop in hash rate proves they never had miners to begin with
975560;1421128953;tripleslash;12-24 hours isn't enough time
975561;1421128957;tripleslash;you're missing the whole point
975562;1421128990;cazalla;i don't think so but please, explain
975563;1421129020;tripleslash;its impossible to conclusively say a drop/gain in network hash was attributable to them unless you know every other single source of mining and know the reported stats on them
975564;1421129034;tripleslash;specifically in a 12 hour window
975565;1421129087;cazalla;yeah i know there is nothing conclusive which is why i did not include anything about that in my article, i just included that they claim 300k users instead
975566;1421129093;tripleslash;give it a diffchange, perhaps, but then you'd have to somehow figure out a way to exclude anyone else that might be dropping out because of the sagging exchange price
975567;1421129100;tripleslash;300k users means nothing
975568;1421129108;tripleslash;a user might have 1khash of power
975569;1421129148;cazalla;except they claim 40 petahash
975570;1421129160;tripleslash;ok
975571;1421129178;cazalla;are you a customer of theirs or something?
975572;1421129180;tripleslash;so watch for a noticeable permanenent 40 petahash drop over the next few difffchanges
975573;1421129183;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6009 @ 0.00050022 = 3.0058 BTC [-]
975574;1421129187;tripleslash;not at all
975575;1421129190;tripleslash;I think they are a scam
975576;1421129200;tripleslash;but that doesn't mean I'm ok with you using fuzzy math to justify it
975577;1421129207;BingoBoingo;tripleslash: Do you know someone selling 40 PH/s of equipment...
975578;1421129208;cazalla;i didn't use any math tripleslash
975579;1421129219;tripleslash;lol BingoBoingo
975580;1421129236;tripleslash;cazalla: no math?  that's the only way you prove they've dropped off.
975581;1421129239;cazalla;i specifically avoided it in the article because these fucks claim all sorts and i've better things to do than chase my own tail
975582;1421129242;*;tripleslash sighs
975583;1421129242;BingoBoingo;People who fell for Tradefortress and CEX.io have a strong overlap.
975584;1421129253;tripleslash;haven't heard TF in a long time
975585;1421129274;BingoBoingo;If... Someone can come forward with a lot of PH/s for sale... I can't say I am incapable of bidding.
975586;1421129291;tripleslash;Anyone is capable of bidding...
975587;1421129293;BingoBoingo;!up felipelalli
975588;1421129305;tripleslash;doesn't mean their bid will amount to much.
975589;1421129307;cazalla;perhaps they even have the hardware but instead of switching it off, they'll just continue to mine with hardware that customers paid for, who knows
975590;1421129316;tripleslash;exactly
975591;1421129339;tripleslash;but you certainly can't figure that out based on the number of blocks generated in the next 12 hours.
975592;1421129410;tripleslash;I think they were skimming hash off their pool and reselling.
975593;1421129415;cazalla;all i said was that it might raise some questions about whether what they claim is fact or lie
975594;1421129420;ben_vulpes;hey i finally caught up to this morning
975595;1421129421;tripleslash;Do I have any conclusive proof? no.
975596;1421129431;BingoBoingo;;;ident felipelalli
975597;1421129431;gribble;Nick 'felipelalli', with hostmask 'felipelalli!~Thunderbi@201.82.158.149', is not identified.
975598;1421129437;cazalla;i never claimed or stated it would be definitive
975599;1421129444;tripleslash;as we all know, mining contracts have always sucked for the buyer.
975600;1421129471;tripleslash;so why write articles based on no math and make no claims as to accuracy
975601;1421129481;tripleslash;might as well write for the onion
975602;1421129518;felipelalli;;;eauth felipelalli
975603;1421129519;gribble;Request successful for user felipelalli, hostmask felipelalli!~Thunderbi@201.82.158.149. Get your encrypted OTP from http://bitcoin-otc.com/otps/4C0AFCCFED5CDE14
975604;1421129530;cazalla;tripleslash, i didn't!
975605;1421129610;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11887 @ 0.00051319 = 6.1003 BTC [+] {2} 
975606;1421129627;cazalla;the article wasn't based on no math.. it was based on what cex said on their blog and their website and i finished it by saying that despite these cloud miners being fucked, the network goes on with or without them anyway
975607;1421129653;tripleslash;I'm glad I didn't waste my time reading it then.
975608;1421129660;undata;oh please
975609;1421129670;felipelalli;;;everify freenode:#bitcoin-otc:eaf2aaef1f3da52c021a173631aab57a159f9ba5fb9633c70bc5411f
975610;1421129671;gribble;You are now authenticated for user felipelalli with key 4C0AFCCFED5CDE14
975611;1421129679;BingoBoingo;tripleslash: If only you had the slightest idea who may ot may not be qntra's BitPay layoff source
975612;1421129701;felipelalli;;;ident felipelalli
975613;1421129701;gribble;Nick 'felipelalli', with hostmask 'felipelalli!~Thunderbi@201.82.158.149', is identified as user 'felipelalli', with GPG key id 4C0AFCCFED5CDE14, key fingerprint 9E08524833CB3038FDE385C54C0AFCCFED5CDE14, and bitcoin address 1LipeR1AjHL6gwE7WQECW4a2H4tuqm768N
975614;1421129726;undata;the article is mostly a quotation...
975615;1421129751;ben_vulpes;"I wanted to spend my bitcoin immediately, that very night, but I was at a loss." << the fiat mindset's strong with these folk
975616;1421129767;BingoBoingo;I am nigger man, chasing the prey through the bread fruit plants
975617;1421129771;cazalla;undata, the cex portion really only served as a means to discuss the new difficulty all time high anyway
975618;1421129787;BingoBoingo;;;rate felipelalli 2 easy come easy go
975619;1421129788;gribble;Rating entry successful. Your rating of 2 for user felipelalli has been recorded.
975620;1421129792;undata;cazalla: this guy just wants to yell at someone
975621;1421129815;cazalla;undata, i want to yell at someone too so it works out
975622;1421129839;tripleslash;BingoBoingo, I missed that.  I've been away for a while, catching up.
975623;1421129896;felipelalli;;;rate BingoBoingo 2 very nice guy, received me very well, congratulations.
975624;1421129897;gribble;Rating entry successful. Your rating of 2 for user BingoBoingo has been recorded.
975625;1421129969;BingoBoingo;imsaguy Are you harassing cazalla???
975626;1421130014;tripleslash;nope.  I was attempting to demonstrate why 12 hours isn't enough time to accurately measure hashrate, but apparently failed.
975627;1421130079;BingoBoingo;tripleslash: Do you have any artistic talents?
975628;1421130106;tripleslash;stumping for con artists was a past hobby of mine, although I didn't know it at the time.
975629;1421130116;cazalla;tripleslash, i already agreed, merely pointed out it could be an indicator, one piece of the puzzle so to speak if one was inclined to dig further, which i am not
975630;1421130144;tripleslash;12 hours isn't really an indicator.  its like flipping a coin one time to figure out if it is balanced.
975631;1421130154;ben_vulpes;<mircea_popescu> a bum, like a total, street dwelling bum, accosts some random guy begging. and the random guy goes like "ain't got nothing now", and hands him his coke bottle. << ok so i've got this crazy pet notion about maté and viral load
975632;1421130212;BingoBoingo;ben_vulpes: If it counbteracts my model of ETOH and CYP load...
975633;1421130223;ben_vulpes;CYP?
975634;1421130308;BingoBoingo;ben_vulpes: CYP 450 motherfucker
975635;1421130344;BingoBoingo;ben_vulpes: It is a toxic waste processing plant in your body... and you can't get rid of it.
975636;1421130349;ben_vulpes;hm
975637;1421130353;ben_vulpes;ah
975638;1421130355;ben_vulpes;well
975639;1421130359;tripleslash;:;rate BingoBoingo 1 ratings taint
975640;1421130375;ben_vulpes;bb quick fork your ratingchain
975641;1421130380;ben_vulpes;you can now double your ratecoins
975642;1421130403;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1964 @ 0.0005152 = 1.0119 BTC [+]
975643;1421130427;BingoBoingo;;;rate tripleslash 2 ratings fistula
975644;1421130427;gribble;Error: User doesn't exist in the Rating or GPG databases. User must be GPG-registered to receive ratings.
975645;1421130433;BingoBoingo;).o
975646;1421130441;ben_vulpes;(dun really think the two models would interact much, but also i don't know much microbio)
975647;1421130442;tripleslash;;;ident
975648;1421130442;gribble;CAUTION: irc nick differs from otc registered nick. Nick 'tripleslash', with hostmask 'tripleslash!\\\@unaffiliated/imsaguy', is identified as user 'imsaguy', with GPG key id 7D7EA76776E6CE48, key fingerprint A1398F4C58AC3D387F012AFA7D7EA76776E6CE48, and bitcoin address 1Hf5qWZzd2WsrDwLhkykNc4uXPAkykg9PM
975649;1421130797;felipelalli;Let me ask you guys a (stupid?) question: "hidden hash power" can be a problem? Suppose I start to invest in mining hardware but I do not turn on my machines. No one will know I am accumulating hash power. So, after a while, if I turn on all my machines I'd have - let's imagine - 80% of the hash rate. But it would be too late to revert the situation by the community. If big miners start to turn the machines off, they can not be hiding power?
975650;1421130797;felipelalli;Makes sense?
975651;1421130874;BingoBoingo;Maybe? The thing is an raw hashpower measure gets messy.
975652;1421130884;BingoBoingo;As opposed to awesome like Messi
975653;1421130909;tripleslash;felipelalli, if you were to say double the hashrate overnight, it would be hard for the "community" to counter it overnight.
975654;1421130947;tripleslash;you'd essentially have a narrow window where you could have an easier time manipulating things, but the technicals of mining and others miners would catch up.
975655;1421131049;felipelalli;nice to hear that, thank you!
975656;1421131071;tripleslash;there are no absoluates
975657;1421131075;tripleslash;absolutes
975658;1421131088;tripleslash;you could have ~50% of the hashrate and still only find 10% of the blocks
975659;1421131102;tripleslash;or you could have 10% of the hashrate and find 50% of the blocks.
975660;1421131134;tripleslash;both, while improbable, are possible.
975661;1421131142;tripleslash;!up felipelalli
975662;1421131164;tripleslash;its all probability
975663;1421131488;BingoBoingo;https://twitter.com/BBoingo/status/554891736695463936
975664;1421131490;assbot;So /hashtag/Bitcoin?src=hash didn't work. Good work banks! We all will still work to end you, only now we have nothing to lose. Neat combination.
975665;1421132111;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7590 @ 0.00052518 = 3.9861 BTC [+] {2} 
975666;1421132838;BingoBoingo;;;ticker --market all
975667;1421132845;gribble;Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 248.0, vol: 23822.55536478 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 243.188, vol: 20785.56201 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 247.29, vol: 70293.34335111 | CampBX BTCUSD last: 258.08, vol: 23.70575198 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 244.087225, vol: 133366.70640000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 250.001, vol: 83.00877437 | Bitcoin-Central BTCUSD last: 254.5385, vol: 145.39958649 | Volume-weighted last (1 more message)
975668;1421133577;BingoBoingo;http://imgs.xkcd.com/comics/geography.png
975669;1421133578;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/14TNkRK )
975670;1421134169;BingoBoingo;!up badon
975671;1421134203;BingoBoingo;badon: Are you really losing atm measuring in iz???
975672;1421134246;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22400 @ 0.00051309 = 11.4932 BTC [-] {3} 
975673;1421134734;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6150 @ 0.00053461 = 3.2879 BTC [+] {2} 
975674;1421134745;BingoBoingo;!up jordandotdev
975675;1421134760;BingoBoingo;!up JorgePasada
975676;1421135633;punkman;god morgen
975677;1421135683;BingoBoingo;Guuten Morgen
975678;1421135793;BingoBoingo;!up nam-shub
975679;1421135951;badon;BingoBoingo: Eh?
975680;1421135954;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17494 @ 0.0005412 = 9.4678 BTC [+]
975681;1421135959;badon;Losing "atm"?
975682;1421135974;BingoBoingo;badon: At the moment
975683;1421136105;punkman;http://www.washingtonpost.com/national/health-science/bpa-alternative-disrupts-normal-brain-cell-growth-is-tied-to-hyperactivity-study-says/2015/01/12/a9ecc37e-9a7e-11e4-a7ee-526210d665b4_story.html?hpid=z5
975684;1421136106;assbot;BPA alternative disrupts normal brain-cell growth, is tied to hyperactivity, study says - The Washington Post ... ( http://bit.ly/1waCKft )
975685;1421136259;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2447 @ 0.00054122 = 1.3244 BTC [+] {2} 
975686;1421136266;punkman;http://samy.pl/keysweeper/  "KeySweeper is a  stealthy Arduino-based device, camouflaged as a functioning USB wall  charger, that wirelessly and passively sniffs, decrypts, logs and  reports back (over GSM) all keystrokes from any Microsoft wireless  keyboard in the vicinity."
975687;1421136267;assbot;KeySweeper ... ( http://bit.ly/1waCVas )
975688;1421136416;BingoBoingo;Punk you know that sounds a lot like HS rules
975689;1421136436;punkman;HS?
975690;1421136451;BingoBoingo;High school
975691;1421136625;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17180 @ 0.00054127 = 9.299 BTC [+]
975692;1421136661;punkman;re: uranium http://www.collectorsweekly.com/articles/these-people-love-to-collect-radioactive-glass/
975693;1421136662;assbot;These People Love to Collect Radioactive Glass. Are They Nuts? | Collectors Weekly ... ( http://bit.ly/1waDe5b )
975694;1421136710;punkman;"Boyd’s used its 15-pound allotments (the maximum amount of uranium the  company was allowed to keep on hand at any given moment)"
975695;1421136798;BingoBoingo;punkman: When Uncle vince pisses tumors... Family matters
975696;1421136804;punkman;I have a couple old, very slightly radioactive camera lenses
975697;1421136868;BingoBoingo;Nothing hurts as bad as the follow up to that particulat cancer.
975698;1421136870;BingoBoingo;'
975699;1421136906;BingoBoingo;Ow. Stabbing the sides.
975700;1421137181;cazalla;punkman: http://www.washingtonpost.com/national/health-science/bpa-alternative-disrupts-normal-brain-cell-growth-is-tied-to-hyperactivity-study-says/2015/01/12/a9ecc37e-9a7e-11e4-a7ee-526210d665b4_story.html?hpid=z5 <<< took me ages to find glass bottles for the missus to put her expressed milk into, everything is fucking plastic
975701;1421137181;assbot;BPA alternative disrupts normal brain-cell growth, is tied to hyperactivity, study says - The Washington Post ... ( http://bit.ly/1waCKft )
975702;1421137195;BingoBoingo;Nigger.txt
975703;1421137282;punkman;cazalla, but if it has the BPA FREE stamp it's all good!
975704;1421137321;cazalla;never bought that line, worked on assumption if it's plastic, it is shit regardless of label
975705;1421137372;BingoBoingo;People don't understand BPA makes me haet moar
975706;1421137405;cazalla;don't forget to drink some water before bed BingoBoingo :)
975707;1421137416;cazalla;you don't want to wake up feeling as i did a few days ago
975708;1421137423;BingoBoingo;Nao, nevar.
975709;1421137447;*;BingoBoingo must work for charlie
975710;1421137498;punkman;cazalla, what's the baby bottle nipple made of?
975711;1421137524;cazalla;silicone afaik, can't win em all eh
975712;1421137549;cazalla;i tried to keep him on the titty but bugger bites down  and makes missus cry
975713;1421137598;punkman;good silicone should be okay
975714;1421137784;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3091 @ 0.00051927 = 1.6051 BTC [-]
975715;1421137901;BingoBoingo;nam-shub: Let us regroup
975716;1421137906;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3093 @ 0.00054127 = 1.6741 BTC [+]
975717;1421138011;punkman;http://deoxy.org/alephnull/nam-shub.htm
975718;1421138012;assbot;The nam-shub of Enki ... ( http://bit.ly/1waE81s )
975719;1421138129;BingoBoingo;punkman: You aren't desoxyn. Heisenburg persists without you
975720;1421138202;danielpbarron;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-01-2015#975268 << replys show up in the home feed of people who follow both of the users (the one replying and the one being replied to)
975721;1421138202;assbot;Logged on 13-01-2015 03:41:56; BingoBoingo: cazalla: You need a period befor your @ replies so they are massively public
975722;1421138243;danielpbarron;.@ is ugly, you should better just type out your whole response before the @
975723;1421138258;BingoBoingo;Not always
975724;1421138290;cazalla;it is so gay how the run things at twitter that i will not confirm just to get it to operate properly
975725;1421138304;cazalla;fucking engrish..
975726;1421138307;danielpbarron;.@ is a waste of a character (a scarce resource)
975727;1421138332;cazalla;allow me to try that again... it is so gay how things are run over at twitter and i will not conform just to get it to operate properly
975728;1421138360;BingoBoingo;cazalla danielpbarron You are indeed the gayest
975729;1421138368;cazalla;BingoBoingo, you make more sense drunk than when i am sober
975730;1421138422;BingoBoingo;Maybe you need to stop entertaining dude who wants to steal my butthole]
975731;1421138475;*;BingoBoingo is no Charlie Shrem
975732;1421138560;BingoBoingo;And no amount of facebook juice smooths this out.
975733;1421138641;BingoBoingo;Death be most doomed
975734;1421138699;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16250 @ 0.0005466 = 8.8823 BTC [+] {3} 
975735;1421138729;BingoBoingo;Knuckles deep, no fingers decode...
975736;1421138754;BingoBoingo;Du
975737;1421138758;BingoBoingo;Du hast
975738;1421138763;BingoBoingo;Du hast miche
975739;1421138777;cazalla;get that human jukebox in here..  Vexual!
975740;1421138787;BingoBoingo;!up vexual
975741;1421138791;BingoBoingo;I
975742;1421138794;BingoBoingo;I hate
975743;1421138801;BingoBoingo;I hate angles
975744;1421138823;BingoBoingo;I hate anglos
975745;1421138828;BingoBoingo;I hate anglos
975746;1421138873;cazalla;sunshine and lollipops
975747;1421138908;BingoBoingo;Niugger
975748;1421138999;punkman;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=80Api9ox2vs
975749;1421139001;assbot;Vinicio Capossela Marinai profeti e balene Pryntyl - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1waEQf6 )
975750;1421139022;BingoBoingo;http://www.amta-il.org/_Library/Newsletters/AMTA-IL_Oct_2012.pdf
975751;1421139027;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1waEQMb )
975752;1421139061;BingoBoingo;I am sads. Lynsie makes me more sads.
975753;1421139078;BingoBoingo;Du hast miche
975754;1421139140;BingoBoingo;In lynsie though I have cultivated the ultimate Germanic storm trooper.
975755;1421139168;*;BingoBoingo sads
975756;1421139230;BingoBoingo;Mostly though just fearing... niggers pretendign to righteous
975757;1421139281;BingoBoingo;Du du hast, du has miche
975758;1421139335;BingoBoingo;Who the hell is the anglo fuck who proposes neutral fucks?
975759;1421139428;BingoBoingo;So much hate exists and only some nggers can shake it off
975760;1421139614;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 5000 @ 0.00080312 = 4.0156 BTC [-] {11} 
975761;1421139697;BingoBoingo;nIGGERS.TXT
975762;1421139885;punkman;why so sads BB
975763;1421139919;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12500 @ 0.00054406 = 6.8008 BTC [-]
975764;1421139970;cazalla;what's that pdf about BingoBoingo? you have carpal tunnel?
975765;1421140006;BingoBoingo;punkman: Because vince HAD CANCER 4 TMES IN 3 YEARS
975766;1421140030;BingoBoingo;irdial: i i HATE
975767;1421140073;BingoBoingo;iRDIAL IS A NOOB
975768;1421140177;BingoBoingo;aLL AROUND ME ARE FAMILIAR OLACES
975769;1421140198;cazalla;don't be playing that one BingoBoingo
975770;1421140200;BingoBoingo;WORN AOUT PLcedes
975771;1421140277;BingoBoingo;Fucker punche dme in the throat
975772;1421140285;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8460 @ 0.00053473 = 4.5238 BTC [-] {2} 
975773;1421140294;BingoBoingo;Very... <ad Worold
975774;1421140300;BingoBoingo;Nigger
975775;1421140308;BingoBoingo;Mad World
975776;1421140328;BingoBoingo;All these places wor out olaces
975777;1421140348;BingoBoingo;!up irdial
975778;1421140621;BingoBoingo;All around me are familiar places, worn out places, worn out places, a very... mad world
975779;1421140712;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4191 @ 0.00053457 = 2.2404 BTC [-]
975780;1421141151;scoopbot;New post on Qntra.net by cazalla: http://qntra.net/2015/01/cointerra-goes-from-bad-to-worse/
975781;1421141223;BingoBoingo;aLL US HELL, ALL IS DONE
975782;1421141871;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8900 @ 0.0005296 = 4.7134 BTC [-]
975783;1421142969;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7467 @ 0.0005296 = 3.9545 BTC [+]
975784;1421143579;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 4539 @ 0.00079915 = 3.6273 BTC [-] {14} 
975785;1421144383;adlai;thank you btce! error:140943FC:SSL routines:SSL3_READ_BYTES:sslv3 alert bad record mac
975786;1421144393;Naphex;lol
975787;1421144404;Naphex;that doesn't look good at all
975788;1421144434;Naphex;either you get corrupted data on your connection, or you're being mitm'd
975789;1421144479;Naphex;also SSLv3 should be disabled on all exchanges
975790;1421144484;punkman;maybe some version mismatch
975791;1421144494;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17895 @ 0.00052826 = 9.4532 BTC [-]
975792;1421144496;Naphex;the alert is a bad mac
975793;1421144517;Naphex;so that means a packet sent, was mismatching its MAC
975794;1421144626;cazalla;someone was spamming this in qntra comments.. tempted to approve https://twitter.com/MyAlexisTexas/
975795;1421144628;assbot;Alexis Texas (@MyAlexisTexas) | Twitter ... ( http://bit.ly/1y8zrLf )
975796;1421144677;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10804 @ 0.00054913 = 5.9328 BTC [+] {2} 
975797;1421144965;Naphex;adlai: as far as I see, btc-e definitely has SSLv3 disabled. So if you got that message you're either being MITM'd and the trapper device is failing mac'ing messages, or who knows what. you shouldn't be receiving that error
975798;1421145045;adlai;hm.
975799;1421145083;adlai;i'm almost certainly being MITMed (who isn't?), and i'd be surprised if the men in the middle are shitty enough to leak it as protocol errors
975800;1421145092;Naphex;oh trust me they are
975801;1421145093;punkman;http://marc.info/?l=openssl-dev&m=108444932120941
975802;1421145095;assbot;'Re: OpenSSL error: sslv3 alert bad record mac (fwd)' - MARC ... ( http://bit.ly/1CcRi2R )
975803;1421145101;Naphex;the trapping devices they usre are pure poop
975804;1421145175;*;adlai is not using ossl though
975805;1421145199;Naphex;https://www.ssllabs.com/ssltest/analyze.html?d=btc-e.com&s=141.101.121.194&latest
975806;1421145201;assbot;Qualys SSL Labs - Projects / SSL Server Test / btc-e.com ... ( http://bit.ly/1CcS142 )
975807;1421145241;Naphex;TLS 1.2Yes / TLS 1.1Yes / TLS 1.0Yes  / SSL 3No / SSL 2No
975808;1421145270;adlai;right. so this error means that somebody in the middle tried to downgrade our connection, and my ssl lib took a shit instead of complying?
975809;1421145302;Naphex;the downgrade worked, but failed MAC'ing the messsages
975810;1421145361;adlai;oh imatard, this library just wraps openssl.so
975811;1421145372;cazalla;so someone is fucking with that hard fork missle crisis reddit link.. 1 comment, 3 upvotes? http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/2s2utx/the_hard_fork_missile_crisis/
975812;1421145373;assbot;The Hard Fork Missile Crisis : Bitcoin ... ( http://bit.ly/1CcT8Rs )
975813;1421145377;davout;bonjour
975814;1421145407;Naphex;adlai, what i'd do i import the btc-e cert manually and remove other trusted sources
975815;1421145443;davout;dat price
975816;1421145447;davout;!t m x.eur
975817;1421145447;assbot;[MPEX:X.EUR] 1D: 0.00438 / 0.00438888 / 0.00440745 (201 shares, 0.88 BTC), 7D: 0.00394588 / 0.00424875 / 0.00440745 (686 shares, 2.91 BTC), 30D: 0.00175233 / 0.0035976 / 0.00448833 (5898 shares, 21.22 BTC)
975818;1421145477;davout;x.eur, 2015's best performing investment so far :D
975819;1421146011;adlai;lol https://github.com/orthecreedence/cl-async/blob/master/src/ssl/tcp.lisp#L321
975820;1421146012;assbot;cl-async/tcp.lisp at master · orthecreedence/cl-async · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1CcX6cI )
975821;1421146175;scoopbot;New post on Qntra.net by cazalla: http://qntra.net/2015/01/bitcoin-org-blacklisted-in-russia/
975822;1421146786;cazalla;mebe BingoBoingo had the right idea.. imma get liquoured up lol
975823;1421146996;fluffypony;liquor up, stroke 'er down
975824;1421147004;davout;cazalla: we need a !gotosleep in addition to !down
975825;1421147024;cazalla;i'm only having one, no excess drinking tonight
975826;1421147854;cazalla;15m later, onto the third lol
975827;1421147867;cazalla;but i swear that is it!
975828;1421148036;adlai;what are we drinking tonight
975829;1421148100;cazalla;the other bottle of whiskey
975830;1421148159;*;adlai is earshot away from a bottle of red label
975831;1421148185;adlai;it's half full and not really mine so it stays that way
975832;1421148231;cazalla;well, i got a couple bottles of dimple 12y on special last week so polished one bottle off at the other nights drinking session and now i have this bottle but i'll stop after this one and go to bed
975833;1421148317;punkman;beer, rusk and anchovies
975834;1421148321;punkman;but maybe some more work first
975835;1421148471;punkman;adlai: lol https://github.com/orthecreedence/cl-async/blob/master/src/ssl/tcp.lisp#L321 << win!
975836;1421148472;assbot;cl-async/tcp.lisp at master · orthecreedence/cl-async · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1CcX6cI )
975837;1421148601;cazalla;ermahgerd http://www.gamespot.com/articles/new-baldur-s-gate-game-in-development/1100-6424582/
975838;1421148603;assbot;New Baldur's Gate Game In Development - GameSpot ... ( http://bit.ly/1y8QjBu )
975839;1421148992;davout;cazalla: ho. ly.shit
975840;1421149038;davout;"it's thinking about it and preparing by playing tabletop 5th edition Dungeons & Dragons game in the office." <<< hahahah
975841;1421149191;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3300 @ 0.0005609 = 1.851 BTC [+]
975842;1421149313;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 57131 @ 0.00056992 = 32.5601 BTC [+] {4} 
975843;1421150411;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12350 @ 0.00057758 = 7.1331 BTC [+] {2} 
975844;1421153095;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 32900 @ 0.00057812 = 19.0201 BTC [+] {2} 
975845;1421153766;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9000 @ 0.0005499 = 4.9491 BTC [-] {2} 
975846;1421154682;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16150 @ 0.00057836 = 9.3405 BTC [+] {2} 
975847;1421154864;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13150 @ 0.00057907 = 7.6148 BTC [+]
975848;1421158280;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7253 @ 0.0005719 = 4.148 BTC [-]
975849;1421159917;[]bot;Bet placed: 2.5 BTC for No on "Russian Ruble to rally to 50 RUB or less per USD before Feb" http://bitbet.us/bet/1085/ Odds: 9(Y):91(N) by coin, 24(Y):76(N) by weight. Total bet: 4.2606717 BTC. Current weight: 23,898.
975850;1421160787;TomServo;!up mircea_popescu
975851;1421160805;mircea_popescu;hallo
975852;1421160811;TomServo;Greetings
975853;1421160856;TomServo;Should your lack of gribble use be seen as an indictment? :)
975854;1421160905;mircea_popescu;just waiting for kako to put finishes touches on assbot wot.
975855;1421161573;davout;http://www.reddit.com/r/Buttcoin/comments/2s8ryw/in_this_moment_of_loss_i_would_like_to_stand_in/
975856;1421161575;assbot;In this moment of loss I would like to stand in solidarity with my people by saying "Je suis Karpeles". : Buttcoin ... ( http://bit.ly/17DLBSc )
975857;1421161604;mircea_popescu;assclowns.
975858;1421161826;mircea_popescu;tripleslash:so watch for a noticeable permanenent 40 petahash drop over the next few difffchanges << it's pretty noticeable they DIDN'T have 40 ph.
975859;1421161865;mircea_popescu;yeah, there's a 15-25% ish chance by now they actually did and it's just being noised out. tough chance.
975860;1421162237;mircea_popescu;felipelalli: Makes sense? << if one buys hw, one owns the hw. he can set it on fire or set it to mine scamcoins or w/e he wants. altcoins are perpetually in danger of being destroyed if they are not the largest consumer of hash on the planet, as visited in http://trilema.com/2014/the-woes-of-altcoin-or-why-there-is-no-such-thing-as-cryptocurrencies/
975861;1421162237;assbot;The woes of Altcoin, or why there is no such thing as "cryptocurrencies" pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.  ... ( http://bit.ly/1IGVwSi )
975862;1421162272;mircea_popescu;it doesn't matter WHAT the other, larger altcoin is. even if it is "nothing at all" : for as long as most miners are mining "nothing at all" then the altcoin Bitcoin is in danger of being stomped.
975863;1421162288;mircea_popescu;that's why the article says the only stable solution is once 50%+ of the earth available energy is used to mine.
975864;1421162291;mircea_popescu;this is a fact.
975865;1421162672;TomServo;!up mircea_popescu
975866;1421162724;mircea_popescu;tripleslash: you'd essentially have a narrow window where you could have an easier time manipulating things, but the technicals of mining and others miners would catch up. << "other mienrs will catch up" is so much nonsense. other miners are turning down their rigs as it is with the price today. if diff suddenly jumped 100%, "other miners" will give up and go home. which is why the other miners are not to be taken too
975867;1421162724;mircea_popescu;seriously and why miners actually aren't given that much of a voice in bitcoin.
975868;1421162776;mircea_popescu;bitcoin holders may put up more rigs to protect hteir holdings, and they may or may not also be miners, but that's coincidental.
975869;1421162795;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8414 @ 0.0005719 = 4.812 BTC [-]
975870;1421162970;mircea_popescu;heh at that link. "replace bisphenol-a with bisphenol-s. be surprised that s stands for shittier."
975871;1421162975;mircea_popescu;seriously who could have foreseen.
975872;1421163954;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24836 @ 0.00056774 = 14.1004 BTC [-] {2} 
975873;1421164357;mircea_popescu;"Canellas wrote to defendant Warren, �Great job dude. We kicked ass! Time to get paid.� About ten minutes later, defendant Warren responded, �Hey man, I don�t know where you come up with some of this stuff, but you saved the day. It�s been a rough year but it�s been damn good. Nice work dude. Let�s get paid!� Canellas and defendant Warren then left the office to enjoy New Year�s Eve."
975874;1421164369;mircea_popescu;these are, it should be noted, the ivy league's best and brigtest
975875;1421164401;mircea_popescu;that's what they say, and they say it over plaintext channels held by their enemy.
975876;1421164416;mircea_popescu;then people say that pirate roberts character was stupid.
975877;1421164450;mircea_popescu;yes, he was. do you know who else is just as stupid ? oh... everyone in america ? the smartest lawyers and the smartest businessmen, graduating at the absolute top of the absolute best classes in the absolute best universities ?
975878;1421164457;mircea_popescu;dudes in flip flops. "getting paid".
975879;1421164559;mod6;!up mircea_popescu
975880;1421164564;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11100 @ 0.00057234 = 6.353 BTC [+] {3} 
975881;1421164568;mircea_popescu;why thankee!
975882;1421164573;mod6;=)
975883;1421164579;mircea_popescu;cazalla: never bought that line, worked on assumption if it's plastic, it is shit regardless of label << a wise man is you.
975884;1421164625;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8000 @ 0.00055829 = 4.4663 BTC [-]
975885;1421165207;mircea_popescu;Naphex: oh trust me they are << he's right there.
975886;1421165391;mircea_popescu;cazalla: so someone is fucking with that hard fork missle crisis reddit link.. 1 comment, 3 upvotes? <<< http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/duplicates/2s2utx/the_hard_fork_missile_crisis/ << seems reddit deleted the 500 votes / 300 comments thing in what's a doomed attempt to frame the issue as marginal.
975887;1421165392;assbot;The Hard Fork Missile Crisis : Bitcoin ... ( http://bit.ly/1wb1y6X )
975888;1421165409;mircea_popescu;i dunno why they persist in thinking that it actually matters how it LOOKS, but hey.
975889;1421165649;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform anyway, how's that for "unmask itself" ?
975890;1421165673;mircea_popescu;"reddit will actually delete the vote count and comment count of popular threads if subversive."
975891;1421165689;mircea_popescu;because it's, you know, "user driven" :D
975892;1421165959;thestringpuller;all the comments are still there and stuff. And i'm sure bob alison still has his karma
975893;1421165975;thestringpuller;confusing
975894;1421165992;xanthyos;i guess 300 wasn't low enough a buy price
975895;1421165997;xanthyos;jeez
975896;1421166023;xanthyos;is this a test?
975897;1421166078;mircea_popescu;thestringpuller nah, see, bob allison had put the thing in too,
975898;1421166086;mircea_popescu;but there existed another insertion, same article, by a diff person
975899;1421166089;mircea_popescu;that prolly got deleted
975900;1421166098;thestringpuller;hmm.
975901;1421166098;mircea_popescu;and the db just moved all the comments to the other, identically named, article.
975902;1421166106;thestringpuller;whoa
975903;1421166109;thestringpuller;sketchy as fuck
975904;1421166119;mircea_popescu;so this is all unintended functioning.
975905;1421166130;mircea_popescu;you shouldn't be able to read all that stuff, as far as reddit's concerned.
975906;1421166150;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5500 @ 0.00055829 = 3.0706 BTC [-]
975907;1421166734;danielpbarron;!up mircea_popescu
975908;1421166760;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24004 @ 0.00057985 = 13.9187 BTC [+] {3} 
975909;1421166817;xanthyos;i now have 2.91 btc in my control and still don't feel super rich
975910;1421166877;kakobrekla;should have got doge, doze trailing zeros make for that feeling.
975911;1421166891;xanthyos;heh
975912;1421167287;thestringpuller;$depth s.qntr
975913;1421167489;davout;so much win https://twitter.com/catindesplage/status/554937788706328576
975914;1421167491;assbot;Moi quand je me matte un petit boulard sur le trajet Paris-Chambery http://t.co/Qu0NQEHb6I
975915;1421167707;TomServo;!up brendafdez
975916;1421167736;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9400 @ 0.00057021 = 5.36 BTC [-]
975917;1421167818;thestringpuller;danielpbarron all my twitter notifications come from you. weird how it kinda does what it's supposed to.
975918;1421167836;thestringpuller;I don't even tweet but I know shits going down when you do mention on me.
975919;1421167980;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8487 @ 0.00056687 = 4.811 BTC [-] {2} 
975920;1421168224;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13300 @ 0.0005597 = 7.444 BTC [-] {2} 
975921;1421168468;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7700 @ 0.00058144 = 4.4771 BTC [+]
975922;1421168745;artifexd;!up mircea_popescu
975923;1421168774;mircea_popescu;yay!
975924;1421168797;mircea_popescu;you know this voice shortage turns out to be kinda useful. thanks for teh love!
975925;1421168832;artifexd;np
975926;1421169046;davout;"you know this voice shortage turns out to be kinda useful" <<< remove mircea_popescu's +v when log.bitcoin-assets.com starts to be short on disk space :D
975927;1421169059;mircea_popescu;lol
975928;1421169061;thestringpuller;blacklisting web sites is eerily familiar to burning books
975929;1421169073;thestringpuller;but far less effectivie
975930;1421169074;mircea_popescu;no because disk space increases by gavin's law.
975931;1421169086;thestringpuller;^ yus
975932;1421169091;mircea_popescu;thestringpuller BingoBoingo cazalla : http://trilema.com/2015/these-fools-have-been-handed-a-technology-so-clever-so-disruptive-and-revolutionary-that-the-rulers-of-the-world-would-have-to-fully-unmask-themselves-as-ruthless-tyrants-in-order-to-suppress-it/
975933;1421169092;assbot;"These fools have been handed a technology so clever, so disruptive and revolutionary, that the rulers of the world would have to fully unmask themselves as ruthless tyrants in order to suppress it, — or give up their thrones on their own free will — if it were used correctly, that is." pe Trile ... ( http://bit.ly/1wb65X4 )
975934;1421169099;mircea_popescu;and mebbe should be something about it on qntra ?
975935;1421169111;thestringpuller;IN commentary?
975936;1421169114;thestringpuller;I can start working on that.
975937;1421169130;mircea_popescu;well hey, you're the one that got censured by reddit right ?
975938;1421169152;mircea_popescu;read mah piece on the topic, write your own take, see what qntra editorial board policy is to react to censorship etc.
975939;1421169156;mircea_popescu;big topic.
975940;1421169158;thestringpuller;technically bob_allison (sp?)
975941;1421169163;mircea_popescu;no.
975942;1421169164;thestringpuller;was censored
975943;1421169167;mircea_popescu;there was a different guy
975944;1421169170;thestringpuller;oh
975945;1421169174;mircea_popescu;bob allison introduced a duplicate
975946;1421169179;mircea_popescu;either after or before i dun recall.
975947;1421169196;thestringpuller;I recall bob_allison's submission having 100+ "karma"
975948;1421169212;mircea_popescu;no, see. there were two reddit submissions, exact same title.
975949;1421169225;mircea_popescu;the one that's missing had 100s of votes and like 300 comments
975950;1421169240;mircea_popescu;the one that's still there, andwhich somehow displays thew comments made on the other one, never had more than a few votes
975951;1421169242;mircea_popescu;and no comments.
975952;1421169391;scoopbot;New post on Trilema by Mircea Popescu: http://trilema.com/2015/these-fools-have-been-handed-a-technology-so-clever-so-disruptive-and-revolutionary-that-the-rulers-of-the-world-would-have-to-fully-unmask-themselves-as-ruthless-tyrants-in-order-to-suppress-it/
975953;1421169406;thestringpuller;yea mods must be meddling somehow with admins
975954;1421169417;thestringpuller;they somehow got derptopolus unshadow banned
975955;1421169470;mircea_popescu;"user driven"
975956;1421169475;mircea_popescu;just as long as user = our house muppets.
975957;1421169600;mircea_popescu;anyway, by the time they're resorting to such things, they're clearly desperate. the matter must be pressed relentlessly.
975958;1421169618;thestringpuller;an old high school buddy of mine once said to me, "Some of the worst things in history have occurred when too many are in one place at once"
975959;1421169635;thestringpuller;it was originally in context of ignition of WWI
975960;1421169642;thestringpuller;but reddit seems to follow pattern
975961;1421169652;mircea_popescu;woodstock worked out okay...
975962;1421169666;thestringpuller;didn't someone die at woodstock?
975963;1421169671;thestringpuller;and someone recently died at burning man
975964;1421169675;TomServo;heh, not the sequel
975965;1421169733;mircea_popescu;well, plenty of people died and a buncha women got raped and a bunch more kids were born out of it.
975966;1421169741;mircea_popescu;sounds quite liek humanity in action.
975967;1421169753;thestringpuller;i guess his point was too many idiots in one place means statistically someone is bound to do something stupid
975968;1421169792;thestringpuller;"Mircea got banned from twitter because he was threatening to kill Andreas Antonopoulos" << LOL
975969;1421169953;hanbot;mircea_popescu perhaps i'm reading poorly, but not sure i grok the foreboding re choosing life: "But if you choose "life", remember one important point from Shrem's misadventure :" --if the dead are the old reptiles a la newhouse, clinging to relevancy, wouldn't choosing life be the sane, independent choice?
975970;1421170015;mircea_popescu;hanbot the monologue in question is, "Choose Life. Choose a job. Choose a career. Choose a family. Choose a fucking big television, choose washing machines, cars, compact disc players and electrical tin openers. Choose good health, low cholesterol, and dental insurance. Choose fixed interest mortgage repayments. Choose a starter home. Choose your friends. Choose leisurewear and matching luggage. Choose a three-piece su
975971;1421170015;mircea_popescu;it on hire purchase in a range of fucking fabrics. Choose DIY and wondering who the fuck you are on Sunday morning. Choose sitting on that couch watching mind-numbing, spirit-crushing game shows, stuffing fucking junk food into your mouth. Choose rotting away at the end of it all, pissing your last in a miserable home, nothing more than an embarrassment to the selfish, fucked up brats you spawned to replace yourselves.
975972;1421170016;mircea_popescu;Choose your future. Choose life... But why would I want to do a thing like that? I chose not to choose life."
975973;1421170115;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20251 @ 0.00056765 = 11.4955 BTC [-] {2} 
975974;1421170116;hanbot;aha, i see. those are some highly meaningful quotation marks, around "life" then.
975975;1421170121;mircea_popescu;aye.
975976;1421170145;mircea_popescu;mentioning renton in there not sufficient hm ?
975977;1421170196;hanbot;well, ought to be for someone more alert than i
975978;1421170299;mircea_popescu;anyway. there IS going to be a transfer of power, and all the bs "let's ban mp on twitter because he stands for priviledge and against our impotent, nonsensical brand of socialism", "let's delete reddit articles because they humiliate our houseboys" etc won't do jack shit.
975979;1421170342;mircea_popescu;twitter, reddit and the rest of the social media crapolade aren't powerful enough. they work, for as long as they suck my cock. otherwise... they're about as useful as homework, who the fuck wants to bother themselves in a playpen designed by adults for "safety".
975980;1421170344;mircea_popescu;life's not there.
975981;1421170430;mircea_popescu;there is going to be a transfer of power, and the only thing demuring can possibly accomplish is make it bloody. which i don't mind, because old people are too old as it is. even them out a little.
975982;1421170481;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18598 @ 0.00058144 = 10.8136 BTC [+]
975983;1421170870;thestringpuller;Lol. "Stop being poor."
975984;1421170886;thestringpuller;"Unless that's what you want, who am I to tell you how to live your life."
975985;1421171306;ben_vulpes;guten morgen
975986;1421171579;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18300 @ 0.00058351 = 10.6782 BTC [+] {3} 
975987;1421171582;ben_vulpes;whoa reddit actually deleted the missile crisis thread?
975988;1421171603;ben_vulpes;;;ticker
975989;1421171604;gribble;Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 230.37, Best ask: 230.93, Bid-ask spread: 0.56000, Last trade: 230.41, 24 hour volume: 45755.02935209, 24 hour low: 216.0, 24 hour high: 272.43, 24 hour vwap: 0
975990;1421171609;ben_vulpes;two thirty!
975991;1421171611;ben_vulpes;wowee.
975992;1421171761;ben_vulpes;<thestringpuller> [] and someone recently died at burning man << every year, actually.
975993;1421171796;ben_vulpes;"it's a tragedy!" "no, there are 80K drug-addled party monsters running around in the desert around giant machines built with nary much of a care for safety. it's amazing the mortality rate's that low"
975994;1421171796;assbot;AMAZING COMPANY!
975995;1421171884;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19100 @ 0.00058602 = 11.193 BTC [+] {3} 
975996;1421172035;asciilifeform;!up mircea_popescu
975997;1421172069;mircea_popescu;why ty
975998;1421172103;asciilifeform;afaik, reddit 'losing' threads is a very uncommon thing. whereas 'hackernews' - sop. this is because reddit follows the american philosophy of 'censorship by shitburial by the megatonne' rather than straight excision.
975999;1421172154;asciilifeform;'hackernews' is more 'soviet' in the low-volume / active 'gardeners' running their fingers through the bag in search of undesirables - sense.
976000;1421172158;mircea_popescu;apparently in this case shit burial wasn't deemd good enough.
976001;1421172168;mircea_popescu;which is a pity, it was amusing me watching them try.
976002;1421172240;mircea_popescu;anyway, i'm curious what the gossipd "counter" strategy is going to be. 've not had the pleasure of finding anything yet.
976003;1421172287;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: that is, the lizard answer to it?
976004;1421172294;mircea_popescu;right.
976005;1421172312;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: will depend on how good of a job you & artifexd do, no ?
976006;1421172322;mircea_popescu;lizard empire very large, very porous, generally i get the good bits before they fully propagated even.
976007;1421172338;mircea_popescu;well, if something holds itself to be a power, it'd really have to be independent, n'est pas ?
976008;1421172441;mircea_popescu;<ben_vulpes> " it's amazing the mortality rate's that low" << im still wondering at the following social engineering feat :
976009;1421172441;assbot;AMAZING COMPANY!
976010;1421172451;mircea_popescu;how the fuck do they manage to keep fireworks off the grounds ?
976011;1421172460;mircea_popescu;i get it, fireworks = redneck, bla bla.
976012;1421172468;ben_vulpes;they don't, really.
976013;1421172470;mircea_popescu;nevertheless.... whoa nelly. THAT is engineering.
976014;1421172486;mircea_popescu;if they didn't there'd be 3-5% casualty rates each year
976015;1421172491;mircea_popescu;they somehow do.
976016;1421172495;ben_vulpes;are you familiar with the "leave no trace" paradigm?
976017;1421172499;mircea_popescu;aha
976018;1421172501;asciilifeform;lizardgoering probably reviewed gossipd and answered, 'mein fuhrer, it's yet another pgp isomorph.' hitler: 'directorate 7b. next.'
976019;1421172506;ben_vulpes;3-5% << looool
976020;1421172518;ben_vulpes;dude you clearly have no idea how weak american fireworks are
976021;1421172521;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes drunk idiots and gunpowder. i stand by it.
976022;1421172535;ben_vulpes;maybe an eye or a finger here or there.
976023;1421172544;mircea_popescu;no no, listen, i mean my words. fireworks. that the stuff available isn't fireworks, that's fine. still social engineering
976024;1421172546;mircea_popescu;still impressive.
976025;1421172556;ben_vulpes;oh, actual fireworks.
976026;1421172559;ben_vulpes;well, a) they're hard to get
976027;1421172569;ben_vulpes;b) not really in the spirit of the party - messy, dangerous to bystanders
976028;1421172584;ben_vulpes;i'd suggest you consider the immense feat of reigning in the firearm use.
976029;1421172592;ben_vulpes;ever heard of the "drive by shooting gallery"?
976030;1421172602;mircea_popescu;"Protect riparian areas by camping at least 200 feet from lakes and streams.
976031;1421172602;mircea_popescu;Good campsites are found, not made. Altering a site is not necessary." roflmao.
976032;1421172613;mircea_popescu;<ben_vulpes> b) not really in the spirit of the party <<< THIS.
976033;1421172636;mircea_popescu;do you understand the breathtakingly astounding achievement to get a bunch of teenaged idiots on drugs think "it's not in the spirit" ?>
976034;1421172642;mircea_popescu;it's larger than the golden gate.
976035;1421172647;ben_vulpes;once upon a time you could bring a truck-mounted m16
976036;1421172651;ben_vulpes;now you can't even bring the truck.
976037;1421172668;ben_vulpes;mircea_popescu: it's a pretty wacky thing
976038;1421172671;ben_vulpes;great party.
976039;1421172676;asciilifeform;truck-mounted m16 << lol!
976040;1421172688;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform i actually recall this was a thing
976041;1421172720;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: poor man's 'тачанка' ?
976042;1421172743;mircea_popescu;kinda ya
976043;1421172745;mircea_popescu;"Never feed animals. Feeding wildlife damages their health, alters natural behaviors, and exposes them to predators and other dangers."
976044;1421172751;mircea_popescu;"your food is bad for animals, pleb"
976045;1421172756;mircea_popescu;somehow nobody reads that in there.
976046;1421172772;mircea_popescu;"we wouldn't feed the shit you eat to fucking wild hogs already!"
976047;1421172842;mircea_popescu;totally unrelated : if anyone's looking for "independent escort/in a perfect world, someday i will meet a kinky geeky creature and gravidophiliac with a penchant for ANR"... > http://www.collarspace.com/actiasluna
976048;1421172843;assbot;hi there.in the spirit of full disclosure, i like to start with the things people are like ... ( http://bit.ly/1yg5tn7 )
976049;1421172850;mircea_popescu;may you and all her bfs be happy together.
976050;1421172860;asciilifeform;gravidophiliac ?!
976051;1421172880;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform it's common for women to enjoy being pregnant.
976052;1421172915;mircea_popescu;(anr = "adult nursing relationship", aka http://trilema.com/2010/alaptarium/ )
976053;1421172916;assbot;Alaptarium pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.  ... ( http://bit.ly/1yg5KXf )
976054;1421172928;asciilifeform;well-kept secret ?
976055;1421172947;mircea_popescu;nope ?
976056;1421172969;mircea_popescu;;;google caritas romana
976057;1421172970;gribble;Roman Charity - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roman_Charity>; Roman Love / Caritas Romana — The Theological Anthropology Blog: <http://theologicalanthropology.com/alphabet-of-love/2013/11/7/roman-love-caritas-romana>; Caritas Romana - KMSKA: <http://www.kmska.be/en/collectie/highlights/CimonenPero.html>
976058;1421173055;asciilifeform;http://ic.pics.livejournal.com/vospit/16330949/3659/3659_original.jpg (re: earlier thread, 'тачанка' - chariot used in ru civil war)
976059;1421173057;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1yg6c7O )
976060;1421173061;asciilifeform;for n00bs
976061;1421173262;mircea_popescu;new baldur's gate eh ?
976062;1421173333;asciilifeform;lol
976063;1421173346;mircea_popescu;so now that bitcoin.org is banned in russia, the real foundation is actually the only legal resource in bitcoin as far asthey're concerned ?
976064;1421173347;mircea_popescu;aww.
976065;1421173348;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17300 @ 0.00058682 = 10.152 BTC [+]
976066;1421173460;ben_vulpes;here's to thebitcoin.foundation
976067;1421173531;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 148297 @ 0.00055454 = 82.2366 BTC [-] {13} 
976068;1421173592;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 51703 @ 0.0005281 = 27.3044 BTC [-] {3} 
976069;1421173653;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 89745 @ 0.00052381 = 47.0093 BTC [-] {8} 
976070;1421173714;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27300 @ 0.00050928 = 13.9033 BTC [-]
976071;1421173879;davout;!up mircea_popescu
976072;1421173923;mircea_popescu;:)
976073;1421173937;mircea_popescu;thanks. i'll be off for a bit tho.
976074;1421174080;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24250 @ 0.00049583 = 12.0239 BTC [-] {2} 
976075;1421174243;[]bot;Bet created: "Bitcoin to top 360$ before Feb" http://bitbet.us/bet/1102/
976076;1421174263;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7561 @ 0.0005 = 3.7805 BTC [+]
976077;1421174385;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15250 @ 0.0004941 = 7.535 BTC [-] {2} 
976078;1421174441;[]bot;Bet placed: 1 BTC for No on "Bitcoin to top 360$ before Feb" http://bitbet.us/bet/1102/ Odds: 2(Y):98(N) by coin, 2(Y):98(N) by weight. Total bet: 1.1 BTC. Current weight: 99,982.
976079;1421174507;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24300 @ 0.0004933 = 11.9872 BTC [-]
976080;1421174732;[]bot;Bet created: "Bitcoin to drop under 170$ before March" http://bitbet.us/bet/1103/
976081;1421175106;[]bot;Bet placed: 1 BTC for Yes on "Bitcoin to drop under 170$ before March" http://bitbet.us/bet/1103/ Odds: 95(Y):5(N) by coin, 95(Y):5(N) by weight. Total bet: 1.1 BTC. Current weight: 99,987.
976082;1421175544;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 198 @ 0.0064201 = 1.2712 BTC [-] {7} 
976083;1421176787;ben_vulpes;is a gpg signature topologically the same as encrypting to the public key?
976084;1421177194;danielpbarron;i think it's like decrypting a plaintext with the private key
976085;1421177549;ben_vulpes;something something digest something
976086;1421177679;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13250 @ 0.00049803 = 6.5989 BTC [+] {2} 
976087;1421177789;thestringpuller;something something complete
976088;1421178472;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16200 @ 0.0005 = 8.1 BTC [+]
976089;1421178632;mircea_popescu;http://chicago.suntimes.com/neil-steinberg/7/71/263973/home-of-the-unbrave no sledding for you lmao
976090;1421178634;assbot;Home of the unbrave | Chicago ... ( http://bit.ly/1BkF0aq )
976091;1421178960;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4000 @ 0.00049301 = 1.972 BTC [-] {2} 
976092;1421179082;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7800 @ 0.0005 = 3.9 BTC [+]
976093;1421179270;Elian11;Hi
976094;1421179326;Elian11;Euros seem cheap these days, no?
976095;1421179334;mircea_popescu;kinda
976096;1421179372;Elian11;I'm on a trip, and i think most things are a bargan at that rate
976097;1421179400;kakobrekla;yeah almost 1:1 for the dollar.
976098;1421179405;Elian11;(except stuff on the ferry in/around airport, etc)
976099;1421179530;Elian11;Who is in the states? Would you minde tell about the cost of a sandwitch and what you like to eat?
976100;1421179556;Elian11;(in between slices of bread)
976101;1421179727;mircea_popescu;o.O
976102;1421179752;thestringpuller;good sandwich is like 6 bucks?
976103;1421179755;thestringpuller;maybe 7?
976104;1421179800;Elian11;and what kind of sandwich do you like to eat thestringpuller ?
976105;1421180335;thestringpuller;depends
976106;1421180343;thestringpuller;chicken tender sub is about 8 bucks
976107;1421180386;Elian11;Where at?
976108;1421180424;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10100 @ 0.00049237 = 4.9729 BTC [-]
976109;1421180438;asciilifeform;Jan 12 13:56:09 *       qntranet (452ee56a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.69.46.229.106) has joined #bitcoin-assets
976110;1421180448;asciilifeform;Jan 12 13:57:57 *       qntranet is now known as bitcoin_charlie
976111;1421180455;asciilifeform;achtung mircea_popescu
976112;1421180465;mircea_popescu;wut ?
976113;1421180483;asciilifeform;above.
976114;1421180527;thestringpuller;Elian11: publix for the mediocre versions. but i'll go to higher scale grocery stores
976115;1421180549;Elian11;ne way, my favourite sandwitch is a BLT. Some clown in the USA tried to charge me 7USD for one once. I almost smacked hin upside the head for that.
976116;1421180564;Elian11;publix? are u in Florida?
976117;1421180567;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform no but i mean so... ?
976118;1421180577;asciilifeform;aha finally figured out why. nm
976119;1421180588;asciilifeform;('contact' link on qntra.)
976120;1421180594;mircea_popescu;right.
976121;1421180594;asciilifeform;lol
976122;1421180601;mircea_popescu;iu think it's said in the logs too.
976123;1421180607;*;asciilifeform not alert reader.
976124;1421180612;mircea_popescu;Elian11 i dun get it, how much should it cost ?
976125;1421180681;Elian11;hmm, the BLT is tangent unrelated to ongoing anecdotal buying power calculation.
976126;1421180685;Elian11;But,
976127;1421180697;Elian11;what can i say i like BLT
976128;1421180716;mircea_popescu;i don't think anything i eat is standard enough for such procedures.
976129;1421180739;Elian11;BLT is the simplest sandwitch it should not be more than 5, and that is with chips
976130;1421180740;mircea_popescu;what's wrongwith just going by gas, rents and blowjobs, like normal people ?
976131;1421180755;Elian11;its basically a condiment sandwitch
976132;1421180835;mircea_popescu;http://trilema.com/2012/how-to-sandwich-like-a-badass/
976133;1421180836;assbot;How to sandwich like a badass pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.  ... ( http://bit.ly/1IHIbcC )
976134;1421180852;cazalla;thestringpuller, did you manage to get that article done on reddit while i was zzz?
976135;1421180921;Elian11;No, imo sandwitch is an excellent measure because of the diversity of ingredients and other costs aggregated
976136;1421180950;mircea_popescu;what if i like salmon paste on my blt ?
976137;1421180955;Elian11;Rend for the store, wage for the cook, bread baker, etc
976138;1421180987;Elian11;What would you drink with that?
976139;1421181003;mircea_popescu;depends. milk, generally. orange juice (freshly squeezed)
976140;1421181088;Elian11;ahh, i can try to get something like that tomorrow to compare cost
976141;1421181143;Elian11;is unpasteurized milke significantly more valuable than pasteurized ?
976142;1421181145;mircea_popescu;you'll prolly have to get it with the slavegirl au paquet, cuz i dunno anyone makes such comercially.
976143;1421181167;mircea_popescu;not really, unless by pasteurized you mean uht'd, which tastes like shit.
976144;1421181172;thestringpuller;cazalla: will be your afternoon/evening
976145;1421181206;Elian11;?dict uht'd
976146;1421181220;cazalla;on account of it being your article, would be rude of me to scoop you while you're working :)
976147;1421181290;thestringpuller;yea being knee deep in ruby, which is like wading around in horse poop at times
976148;1421181730;mircea_popescu;RED! red horse poop!
976149;1421181742;mircea_popescu;Elian11 ultra high temperature, an application of radioactivity to make milk shelf stable.
976150;1421181766;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13850 @ 0.0005 = 6.925 BTC [+]
976151;1421181874;Elian11;yikes, that would make the milk worthless to me
976152;1421181991;mircea_popescu;generally that's what comes in those tetrapak cartons
976153;1421182024;cazalla;50/50 on publishing trollish comments but then where do you draw the line? http://qntra.net/2015/01/the-hard-fork-missile-crisis/#comment-7168
976154;1421182025;assbot;The Hard Fork Missile Crisis | Qntra.net ... ( http://bit.ly/1IHLBw3 )
976155;1421182027;Adlai;asswot is my new best friend. i come in here, head brimming with stupid, dribble it out all over the channel. then by the time i'm authed i realize none of it is worth repeating.
976156;1421182071;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18958 @ 0.0005 = 9.479 BTC [+]
976157;1421182099;Elian11;the only thing is... i kinda like Yahoo chocolate milk
976158;1421182120;Elian11;but i know its bad
976159;1421182165;mircea_popescu;cazalla imo as long as the comment was made by human as opposedto machine, it should be published.
976160;1421182170;mircea_popescu;doesn't matter what it says.
976161;1421182223;mircea_popescu;Adlai lmao
976162;1421182255;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10300 @ 0.0005 = 5.15 BTC [+]
976163;1421182293;*;Adlai met not one but TWO people who'd never heard of bitcoin before
976164;1421182303;mircea_popescu;o.O
976165;1421182350;cazalla;yeah, that's what we've done so far
976166;1421182374;Adlai;nice thing about being so close to roofing the all-time maximum drawdown is that it makes you focus on things other than price when explaining bitcoin from scratch
976167;1421182377;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 249 @ 0.11104614 = 27.6505 BTC [+] {8} 
976168;1421182439;mircea_popescu;as it should be.
976169;1421182452;Adlai;one was all "this is interesting but computers are not my thing", the other said she'd tell her son to read about it, because he "once tried to explain algorithms to me"
976170;1421182480;mircea_popescu;lol
976171;1421182492;mircea_popescu;i dun get why you think either conversation's at all productive ?
976172;1421182506;mircea_popescu;i don't go about bothering random folk about sumerian tablets, fascinating as they may be ?
976173;1421182535;Adlai;well i was thinking about this afterwards, wondering what the use of spending ~15 minutes explaining a technology to people who made every indication of not being its target audience
976174;1421182550;mircea_popescu;seems that much adolescent dweebery.
976175;1421182562;Adlai;it's still important, though. at least, more important than discussing whatever polite smalltalk we could have made otherwise
976176;1421182566;mircea_popescu;if you're doing this, why not explain dungeons & dragons to random people ?
976177;1421182577;mircea_popescu;of course it's important. everything they don't know is important.
976178;1421182584;mircea_popescu;why aren't you explaining supreme court practice to them ?
976179;1421182589;Adlai;because the populace doesn't care that nerds play D&D in their basement, they don't think it finances terrorism
976180;1421182599;mircea_popescu;and if they did ?
976181;1421182602;Adlai;but both of these folks now have a very very positive *initial* impression of bitcoin
976182;1421182607;mircea_popescu;for that matter, "violence in videogames" is EXACTLY That.
976183;1421182611;mircea_popescu;thinking they finance terrorism.
976184;1421182625;mircea_popescu;because to the common imbecile, all things are one thing and that's that.
976185;1421182627;Adlai;"you never get a second chance to make a first impression" is true for bitcoin as well, only bitcoin doesn't get to pick how to present itself
976186;1421182636;mircea_popescu;uh.
976187;1421182639;Adlai;so these are two fewer people who hear about bitcoin for the first time in some cable news screed
976188;1421182644;mircea_popescu;so ?
976189;1421182653;mircea_popescu;you act as if the responsibility for idiocy is on the thing.
976190;1421182660;Adlai;on what thing?
976191;1421182670;mircea_popescu;let them figure it out, eh ? if the 'first impression' is wrong, it's the impressee not the impressor that has to change.
976192;1421182677;Adlai;oh sure
976193;1421182682;mircea_popescu;so then.
976194;1421182697;Adlai;i was also forced into this conversation initially, my free choice was just continuing it rather than changing subject
976195;1421182714;*;Adlai was pouring drinks for guests, dad says "he's practicing his bartending in case bitcoin goes to zero"
976196;1421182718;mircea_popescu;i mean whatever, gotta talk about something,
976197;1421182728;mircea_popescu;lol i hope you bitchslapped him
976198;1421182758;mircea_popescu;"for all the effort he's spent with me, i'd be pouring drinks if it weren't for my own work"
976199;1421182769;mircea_popescu;dad wants to play, let dad have it.
976200;1421182793;Elian11;wow lol
976201;1421182797;mircea_popescu;doh.
976202;1421182801;Adlai;eh it was in good humor dunno
976203;1421182808;Adlai;and it brought up the subject
976204;1421182825;mircea_popescu;well you're never going to explain bitcoin from a dismissive position like that.
976205;1421182831;Adlai;i'd rather explain derive bitcoin with strangers than discuss the weather
976206;1421182839;mircea_popescu;seems there's other points to address first. but then again, im an asshole.
976207;1421182860;Elian11;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sumerian_creation_myth
976208;1421182862;assbot;Sumerian creation myth - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ... ( http://bit.ly/1IHOdd6 )
976209;1421182884;Adlai;"derive" is important... a great way to introduce bitcoin to people is just to explain the problems and solve them together
976210;1421182887;mircea_popescu;Adlai well then you need a simplified model.
976211;1421182902;mircea_popescu;you'll notice discussions of the weather proceed socially on a simplified model.
976212;1421182921;Adlai;right, we started as apples as money, then moved to coins, paper, digital fiat, cleared digital cash, bitcoin.
976213;1421182970;mircea_popescu;the simplified model i'd readily think of being something more akin to "well currently, you people have some sort of control, based on contracts and fiat currency and so on. what we kids are doing is making an entirely new system of control, where you will be entirely powerless.
976214;1421183025;mircea_popescu;apple as money strikes me as rank nonsense, but ymmv
976215;1421183027;Adlai;both these people were painfully aware of their powerlessness
976216;1421183039;mircea_popescu;so then. maybe they should look into it.
976217;1421183055;Adlai;in the sense that we kept running into stuff like "well are you familiar with the concept of a hash? ok, so a hash is..."
976218;1421183059;mircea_popescu;"we're powerless already in teh old system... mebbe this new thing worth a look ?"
976219;1421183082;Adlai;oh they probably do fine in the old system, the powerlessness which they sense is in the digital domain
976220;1421183083;mircea_popescu;Adlai why would you introduce a specific concept if you're not willing to introduce it rigurously ?
976221;1421183093;Adlai;which concept?
976222;1421183099;mircea_popescu;hash.
976223;1421183135;Adlai;btw in the defense of apples - apples are a simpler value store than coins, because they're directly useful - you can eat them if you're hungry, and you can be pretty sure that other people like to eat them too
976224;1421183149;Adlai;you can verify their quality visually, no holes / mould - it's a good apple
976225;1421183151;mircea_popescu;but apples are nonsense as they never were value store.
976226;1421183156;Adlai;exactly
976227;1421183158;Adlai;they spoil
976228;1421183167;Adlai;this rules out food as money
976229;1421183170;Adlai;except for honey
976230;1421183171;mircea_popescu;...
976231;1421183172;Adlai;honey money.
976232;1421183181;mircea_popescu;or grain. or you just lost it.
976233;1421183189;Adlai;grain goes bad
976234;1421183202;mircea_popescu;there's 3k yo grain in egeept.
976235;1421183204;Adlai;we should just make coins out of crystallized honey
976236;1421183216;mircea_popescu;why not crystal sugar.
976237;1421183224;thestringpuller;;;ud we major
976238;1421183225;gribble;http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=we+major | we major isn't defined. Can you define it? Meaning ... Emails are sent from daily @urbandictionary.com. We'll never spam you. Questions? Feedback? powered ...
976239;1421183231;thestringpuller;boo
976240;1421183308;mircea_popescu;the only thing i like about honey as money is that it gives kids botulism.
976241;1421183326;mircea_popescu;some limit on universalizing money is better than none.
976242;1421183355;Adlai;don't we get the ability to break down botulin very early on?
976243;1421183366;mircea_popescu;nope.
976244;1421183370;davout;thestringpuller: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-01-2015#976147 <<< you'll develop the taste
976245;1421183370;assbot;Logged on 13-01-2015 20:34:50; thestringpuller: yea being knee deep in ruby, which is like wading around in horse poop at times
976246;1421183373;mircea_popescu;this is why you shouldn't feed kids honey
976247;1421183390;Adlai;also, you don't want money which causes botulism in infants, the earth will be overrun by the spawn of the penniless
976248;1421183411;mircea_popescu;just don't give kids dough.
976249;1421183412;thestringpuller;what mircea_popescu said about comments
976250;1421183414;thestringpuller;i agree
976251;1421183417;thestringpuller;no censorship
976252;1421183447;Adlai;what part of "opposed to machine" is "no censorship"?
976253;1421183447;thestringpuller;@ cazalla -^
976254;1421183457;Adlai;this is censorship.
976255;1421183459;thestringpuller;machine aren't people
976256;1421183460;mircea_popescu;...
976257;1421183461;thestringpuller;:P
976258;1421183474;thestringpuller;Adlai: would have sex with a robot.
976259;1421183478;thestringpuller;>:P
976260;1421183487;mircea_popescu;he's in the israeli army, so he prolly did.
976261;1421183513;Adlai;i've been out for almost two years, pls.
976262;1421183532;thestringpuller;he's in mossad now, but can't tell us
976263;1421183540;mircea_popescu;it's so sad the us is wasting 1 trn to build the f35, instead of building fucking power suits.
976264;1421183554;mircea_popescu;if the us infantry had what's basically an android chassis, 3 or so meters tall...
976265;1421183576;*;Adlai can't be in the mossad, he didn't even get security clearance to do the simplest possible code shit
976266;1421183613;Adlai;apparently going on irc makes you a terrorist
976267;1421183616;mircea_popescu;that's what i'd do as minister of war i mean peace. fucking power suits. flamethrower in one arm, minigun in other, go for it.
976268;1421183628;thestringpuller;you've been watching too much anime
976269;1421183633;mircea_popescu;Adlai lol you seriously blew your clearance because #b-a ?
976270;1421183641;thestringpuller;maybe playing too much starcraft too...
976271;1421183655;mircea_popescu;thestringpuller can you imagine what the volunteer lines'd look like ?
976272;1421183656;Adlai;#b-a didn't exist when i failed clearance
976273;1421183662;mircea_popescu;a ok
976274;1421183665;Adlai;this was before i started the army
976275;1421183674;Adlai;bitcoin existed and i'd heard of it! but not #b-a
976276;1421183681;Adlai;and i'd also managed to forget bitcoin already, silly me
976277;1421183696;mircea_popescu;umh... you know this chan is kinda old...
976278;1421183715;Adlai;summer 2009
976279;1421183730;mircea_popescu;not that old.
976280;1421183749;mircea_popescu;Registered : Apr 10 19:16:21 2012 (2y 39w 5d ago).
976281;1421183765;Adlai;"old"
976282;1421183779;Adlai;even i feel old compared to this channel
976283;1421183801;mircea_popescu;scandal!
976284;1421183827;Elian11;Does anyone have clearance? Is it cool?
976285;1421183833;Adlai;btw i would like a statement struck from the logs
976286;1421183839;mircea_popescu;lmao
976287;1421183839;Adlai;apparently all the cool kids ask for this, right? :D
976288;1421183850;Adlai;i have realized that i do not regret being born a man
976289;1421183855;mircea_popescu;o.O
976290;1421183862;Adlai;because i can play the "how old do i look to you?" game
976291;1421183896;Adlai;it's amazing how bad people can get at this
976292;1421183896;assbot;AMAZING COMPANY!
976293;1421183897;mircea_popescu;is that before or after the "no means yes' game ?
976294;1421183986;Adlai;if i wanted comeback i'd have asked your mother to spit in a cup!
976295;1421184000;mircea_popescu;lol
976296;1421184008;mircea_popescu;wait.
976297;1421184015;mircea_popescu;i dun understand ;/
976298;1421184024;Adlai;...
976299;1421184062;mircea_popescu;oh oh.
976300;1421184069;mircea_popescu;cumback. kay.
976301;1421184070;Adlai;...!
976302;1421184076;*;Adlai sees himself out
976303;1421184168;mircea_popescu;the saddest thing here being, of course, that the general expectation that the girl's sucking cock is entirely a 90s and after affair.
976304;1421184174;mircea_popescu;people in the 80s and prior sucked.
976305;1421184291;Adlai;well somewhere along the way humans got quite bad at having sex, probably bottoming out in victorian england, or modern hassidic yeshivas
976306;1421184378;mircea_popescu;english speakers always sucked at fucking
976307;1421184379;Adlai;regarding how to block gossipd: same way that torrents are "blocked"... either by ultimately ineffective packet filtering by ISPs, or by targeted, expensive, and extreme "making examples of" individuals that fuck up badly enough
976308;1421184385;mircea_popescu;and it's not fixed yet, either.
976309;1421184405;mircea_popescu;Adlai both serving more to fan the flames than anything.
976310;1421184421;mircea_popescu;exactly the tsar's playbook, that resulted in one dead tsar holding in his arms one dead tsar baby.
976311;1421184433;Adlai;they discourage some people, which satisfies the short term interests of the bureaucrats that actually have to plan and authorize such things
976312;1421184442;mircea_popescu;one dead tsar holding in his arms one dead tsar baby.
976313;1421184463;asciilifeform;Adlai: it'll have to get in the queue. in usa, we pgp users are still waiting to be gassed. since the clinton administration, even.
976314;1421184474;Adlai;"our department killed seven terrorists/dealers/traffickers this month!" sure, but you also recruited seventeen.
976315;1421184485;mircea_popescu;"nobody could have predicted"
976316;1421184491;Adlai;when was the last time a court ordered somebody to divulge a pgp key?
976317;1421184497;mircea_popescu;in the uk ?
976318;1421184502;mircea_popescu;prolly last week
976319;1421184515;mircea_popescu;or to quote monty pythin, "this is the most outrageous miscarriage of justice since tuesday"
976320;1421184555;Adlai;in planet earth. these things have a way of leaking, even if initially it's just between agencies
976321;1421184562;cazalla;asciilifeform: aha finally figured out why. nm <<< i named it qntranet so it was obvious user is coming from the website instead of random joe blow
976322;1421184575;asciilifeform;cazalla: yes, makes sense
976323;1421184621;cazalla;but i must credit danielpbarron for the idea as first saw him using that to denote which users were coming here from which forum
976324;1421184625;mircea_popescu;hey Adlai what's the most obscene, revolting and horrible hebrew swear you can think of ?
976325;1421184661;dub;ty
976326;1421184665;Adlai;this is a very relative question, who are you trying to offend?
976327;1421184672;mircea_popescu;thank global warming.
976328;1421184688;mircea_popescu;Adlai just looking for a random string really.
976329;1421184723;dub;erryday I thank Al Gore
976330;1421184724;Adlai;how about זונה, nice and simple
976331;1421185426;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15100 @ 0.00050305 = 7.5961 BTC [+] {2} 
976332;1421186098;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17100 @ 0.00051077 = 8.7342 BTC [+] {2} 
976333;1421186402;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22100 @ 0.00051429 = 11.3658 BTC [+] {3} 
976334;1421186745;fluffypony;Reddit humour: http://imgur.com/a/33Qpw (some guy setup a fake Tinder profile with some stock photos, and proceeded to canvas girls for their opinion on Bitcoin)
976335;1421186746;assbot;                    The Women of Tinder Talk Bitcoin - Imgur ... ( http://bit.ly/1y8WhnE )
976336;1421187012;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14856 @ 0.00051749 = 7.6878 BTC [+] {2} 
976337;1421187073;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10344 @ 0.00051972 = 5.376 BTC [+]
976338;1421187326;thestringpuller;;;ident
976339;1421187327;gribble;Nick 'thestringpuller', with hostmask 'thestringpuller!~leflor@unaffiliated/thestringpuller', is not identified.
976340;1421187333;thestringpuller;oh well
976341;1421187392;dub;oh gribbs is back
976342;1421187528;thestringpuller;got any new wub wub for us mr. dub dub ?
976343;1421187535;thestringpuller;:D
976344;1421187797;dub;http://ecogex.com/logos/img/crumpetmuncher.png looks like something from an oglaf
976345;1421187798;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1y8Zrb0 )
976346;1421188025;thestringpuller;mircea_popescu: "what's a 'small fork'? Something like 'a little pregnant'?" << figure you'd enjoy that one
976347;1421189452;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 1500 @ 0.00076043 = 1.1406 BTC [-] {11} 
976348;1421189652;ben_vulpes;funny how little google and duckduckgo claim to know about al hayat and the islamic state report
976349;1421189760;thestringpuller;moop
976350;1421189824;thestringpuller;now i'm on a watch list
976351;1421189825;thestringpuller;:P
976352;1421189873;ben_vulpes;http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2014/06/25/article-2668912-1F12C87000000578-212_306x423.jpg << i'm sending you one of these, thestringpuller
976353;1421189874;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1xlXeC9 )
976354;1421190063;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7797 @ 0.00051972 = 4.0523 BTC [+]
976355;1421190103;ben_vulpes;http://rt.com/usa/222315-jury-silk-road-trial/
976356;1421190104;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1xlXWPN )
976357;1421190428;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21070 @ 0.00053103 = 11.1888 BTC [+]
976358;1421190694;kakobrekla;check out the cluelessness https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=923897.0
976359;1421190695;assbot;Do you think you were scammed by GAW? Tell Ars Technica ... ( http://bit.ly/1xlZSb9 )
976360;1421191831;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3350 @ 0.00053103 = 1.779 BTC [+]
976361;1421192136;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15472 @ 0.00053032 = 8.2051 BTC [-]
976362;1421193178;hanbot;!up qntranet
976363;1421194313;mircea_popescu;thestringpuller not bad.
976364;1421194353;mircea_popescu;<ben_vulpes> funny how little google and duckduckgo claim to know about al hayat and the islamic state report << that is all a coincidence that has nothing at all to do with what you *should* be knowing.
976365;1421194428;mircea_popescu;kakobrekla> check out the cluelessness << lol poor guy.
976366;1421194533;mircea_popescu;Dratel instead said that Ulbricht only ran Silk Road for �a few months� after he created it. Finding it �too stressful,� Ulbricht reportedly handed the website�s reins over to others. As a result, the defense argues that the government is prosecuting the wrong individual for building up a $1.2 billion black market, since Ulbricht is not Dread Pirate Roberts.
976367;1421194533;mircea_popescu;Back in 2013, a separate individual claiming to be Dread Pirate Roberts stated that he/she �didn�t start the Silk Road, my predecessor did.�
976368;1421194551;mircea_popescu;howly shit, they finally found the defense that's gonna hung the jury.
976369;1421194570;mircea_popescu;i wonder if all the bumbling to date was simply baiting "the people" into expensive failure.
976370;1421194594;asciilifeform;'if chewbacca lives on endor you must acquit!'
976371;1421194625;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform proving identity online to an us jury ?
976372;1421194637;mircea_popescu;i dunno a prosecutor exists that woulnd't rather have any other task.
976373;1421194680;asciilifeform;did defense dispute the 'found with pants down, logged into sr shell' thing ?
976374;1421194702;mircea_popescu;i've not actually bothered to read teh actual filings
976375;1421194710;mircea_popescu;going off a skim of a summary here.
976376;1421194910;mircea_popescu;fluffypony: "some guy setup a fake Tinder profile with some stock photos" << somehow i suspect you just defined that thing.
976377;1421194967;mircea_popescu;"If you enjoyed this hard-hitting piece of investigative journalism, consider donating to" and some nonstandard btc address follows.
976378;1421194985;mircea_popescu;shockingly, this hard hitting journalist would be all in 3bitcoin.
976379;1421196424;ben_vulpes;mmm, lathed carrots.
976380;1421196453;ben_vulpes;they're not d-grade roots if you turn them down and get rid of the vile outside layer!
976381;1421197136;cazalla;ben_vulpes, what are lathed carrots?
976382;1421197232;cazalla;google leads me to believe they machine the shitty ones into cocktail carrots.. this i never knew, i like the ones i grow which end up looking like they have 2 legs and a cock
976383;1421197304;mircea_popescu;are there lathed feminists ?
976384;1421197324;mircea_popescu;"hey honey, there's a hundred pounds of woman in there somewhere".
976385;1421197504;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 36398 @ 0.00053158 = 19.3484 BTC [+] {2} 
976386;1421197523;ben_vulpes;i don't think i want lathed babes
976387;1421197565;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17400 @ 0.00055632 = 9.68 BTC [+]
976388;1421197581;*;asciilifeform pictures a retelling of 'pygmalion' involving meat and six-axis cnc milling...
976389;1421197595;asciilifeform;procrustalion!
976390;1421197595;cazalla;i've heard of meat glue though
976391;1421197687;ben_vulpes;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=stCKRExcRBA << huh turns out they're not even lathed
976392;1421197688;assbot;Baby Carrot line, Budget production line machines for the production of Baby Carrots production line - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/14Yrsoc )
976393;1421197698;ben_vulpes;but "polished"
976394;1421197701;ben_vulpes;today i learned...
976395;1421197820;cazalla;a real man pulls his carrots from the garden and eats em, dirt an all
976396;1421198000;ben_vulpes;CRITICAL_BLOCK
976397;1421198009;ben_vulpes;ah okay so this is the famed c++ concurrency story. rad.
976398;1421198020;ben_vulpes;recursive_mutex etc
976399;1421198023;ben_vulpes;WHEEEEEEE
976400;1421198033;*;ben_vulpes girds his loins
976401;1421198586;BingoBoingo;;;ticker --market all
976402;1421198597;gribble;Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 218.0, vol: 60876.00185126 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 212.999, vol: 39602.92108 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 219.39, vol: 151767.23879618 | CampBX BTCUSD last: 226.1, vol: 53.29606057 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 213.854766, vol: 326905.96360000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 218.05, vol: 199.13296717 | Bitcoin-Central BTCUSD last: 217.708, vol: 410.37499069 | Volume-weighted last average: (1 more message)
976403;1421198603;ben_vulpes;daaaaang
976404;1421198622;mike_c;and this is before the hard fork.
976405;1421198644;cazalla;don't go under $200.. no whammy, no whammy, no whammy
976406;1421198651;mike_c;oh its going
976407;1421198662;thestringpuller;:D
976408;1421198677;thestringpuller;Look at all the panic we've caused. It's beautiful.
976409;1421198715;scoopbot;New post on Qntra.net by cazalla: http://qntra.net/2015/01/bitcoin-on-the-agenda-for-ciscos-leadership-council-event/
976410;1421198952;felipelalli;Do you guys only write original news made by you or do you consult other news sources? Or not necessarily?
976411;1421198968;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 5240 @ 0.00076026 = 3.9838 BTC [-] {6} 
976412;1421199029;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 3396 @ 0.00075177 = 2.553 BTC [-] {11} 
976413;1421199090;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 3783 @ 0.0007304 = 2.7631 BTC [-] {7} 
976414;1421199152;cazalla;felipelalli, i guess it depends how much we've had to drink the night before
976415;1421199251;thestringpuller;felipelalli: Do you guys only write original news made by you... << this is misleading? Are you asking do we create news then report on it? Like in that james bond movie?
976416;1421199267;mircea_popescu;<mike_c> oh its going << all up to gavin at this point.
976417;1421199273;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 1600 @ 0.00076424 = 1.2228 BTC [+] {2} 
976418;1421199287;thestringpuller;i kinda want him to release statement "I'm going ahead with hard fork"
976419;1421199290;thestringpuller;more panic
976420;1421199292;thestringpuller;lower prices
976421;1421199298;mircea_popescu;not like anbything prevents the man from putting an announcement on their client, "MP was right, I was wrong but too stupid to realise, sorry all!"
976422;1421199303;thestringpuller;gobble up as many war coins as possible
976423;1421199330;felipelalli;ahahahah :) I mean: you guys go to street like reporters? Like "original research"? Or compilation from other sources? Sorry for ask, not offence.
976424;1421199351;thestringpuller;i'm moving into on the street reporting, but we also have done digital forensics
976425;1421199353;mircea_popescu;felipelalli the bitpay fireparty was exclusive to qntra for instance.
976426;1421199371;ben_vulpes;https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/blob/v0.5.3/src/wallet.cpp#L760 << if this is what's necessary to pull an input out of the db to fill a sendto, the db is not working for you.
976427;1421199373;assbot;bitcoin/wallet.cpp at v0.5.3 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1z8Nlyp )
976428;1421199376;felipelalli;very nice!
976429;1421199379;felipelalli;congratulations.
976430;1421199413;ben_vulpes;https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/blob/v0.5.3/src/wallet.cpp#L778 << i mean lolwut?
976431;1421199415;assbot;bitcoin/wallet.cpp at v0.5.3 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1z8Ny4E )
976432;1421199431;felipelalli;I know you guys have an original analysis, but I was wondering if you make digital forensics or go to street interview the people.
976433;1421199451;*;ben_vulpes sighs
976434;1421199514;thestringpuller;lol random_shuffle
976435;1421199535;thestringpuller;have you git blamed that yet?
976436;1421199543;ben_vulpes;naw i don't even care yo
976437;1421199587;ben_vulpes;in the process of running down how vins get populated, just thought i'd share some lulz
976438;1421199608;thestringpuller;felipelalli: we were running digital forensics on changetip but they're platform is too fucktarded to track accurately.
976439;1421199637;asciilifeform;not like anbything prevents the man from putting an announcement... "MP was right... << impalement ?
976440;1421199648;mircea_popescu;so ?
976441;1421199656;asciilifeform;or whatever the nice folks handling gavin have in store for his cowardly skin
976442;1421199657;mircea_popescu;why all this pretense like impalent is the summum malum ?
976443;1421199661;mircea_popescu;there's worse things than dieing.
976444;1421199663;felipelalli;thestringpuller: but do you talk to them? Like interview?
976445;1421199668;mircea_popescu;there's certainly worse things than spending 30 years upstate.
976446;1421199673;asciilifeform;brave man dies just once.
976447;1421199688;thestringpuller;i've never reached out but cazalla has on occassion to various entities he's covering :P
976448;1421199702;mircea_popescu;any particular something you got in mind felipelalli ?
976449;1421199704;ben_vulpes;with all the hoojum around wallets and the db, i can't help but suspect that all the state the reference client should really maintain in terms of db is a) block indices and b) unspent txout pool
976450;1421199727;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes exactly my view.
976451;1421199738;thestringpuller;ben_vulpes: that sounds like more than enough to run a node.
976452;1421199789;thestringpuller;this file is loaded with boost_cpp
976453;1421199799;ben_vulpes;utxo lets you trivially find outputs of your own to spend
976454;1421199811;ben_vulpes;block indices let you dump the blockchain into a rich datastore
976455;1421199832;ben_vulpes;utxo also lets miners verify transactions, an important thing to preserve imho
976456;1421199837;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes since i have your ear, allow me to privilege some actual business complaints.
976457;1421199846;ben_vulpes;oh god help us
976458;1421199852;mircea_popescu;http://trilema.com/2013/bitcoind-not-quite-ready-for-prime-time/
976459;1421199852;assbot;Bitcoind : not quite ready for prime time pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.  ... ( http://bit.ly/1xmxwxj )
976460;1421199857;mircea_popescu;make it not fucking fail like gavinshitcoin.
976461;1421199893;ben_vulpes;lolk
976462;1421199904;ben_vulpes;i'm not really seeing a future for sendmany
976463;1421199944;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8102 @ 0.00058195 = 4.715 BTC [+]
976464;1421199964;mircea_popescu;gotta have a future for sendmany or else no txn at all.
976465;1421199972;mircea_popescu;i must be able to create my own change addresses.
976466;1421200048;ben_vulpes;no way. transaction cooking is a job for the person cooking transactions, not the RI.
976467;1421200069;ben_vulpes;you want a change addr, you new up a change addr and include precisely how much change you want it to have.
976468;1421200105;ben_vulpes;i have no problem with a bitcoin that makes txns of arbitrary size.
976469;1421200128;ben_vulpes;i imagine you've found a way to get it to make them, what with all the "murder gavincoin" talk i've heard.
976470;1421200182;ben_vulpes;(i encourage argument on the topic! conflict being productive and all.)
976471;1421200330;scoopbot;New post on Trilema by Mircea Popescu: http://trilema.com/2015/peripateticists-kinda-except-girls-not-boys-bare-cunt-instead-of-toga-and-walking-around-the-house-not-the-garden-but-otherwise-exactly-the-same/
976472;1421200347;thestringpuller;what a link
976473;1421200512;ben_vulpes;mircea_popescu's trying to break http/2 already
976474;1421200575;*;asciilifeform still doesn't grasp the excitement the livestock butchery thing caused
976475;1421200799;asciilifeform;'Her: If violence conquers all, even argument, why are you training me in logic instead of shooting? Me: You gotta be willing and able to stand for what you believe in. If you're not, you might as well be a rabbit. And if you recall I have on numerous occasions indicated that you must meet minimal standards of violence.' << interesting! :
976476;1421200811;asciilifeform;does mircea_popescu have marksmanship standards for the gurlz ?
976477;1421201111;[]bot;Bet placed: 4.2 BTC for Yes on "Bitcoin to drop under 200$ before Feb" http://bitbet.us/bet/1095/ Odds: 54(Y):46(N) by coin, 43(Y):57(N) by weight. Total bet: 11.63877896 BTC. Current weight: 51,535.
976478;1421201225;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12800 @ 0.00055448 = 7.0973 BTC [-]
976479;1421201320;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes point is, i gotta be able to make list x pay list y in one tx.
976480;1421201353;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform it was never disclosed
976481;1421201374;asciilifeform;ah.
976482;1421201819;thestringpuller;;;ticker
976483;1421201820;gribble;Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 220.24, Best ask: 220.41, Bid-ask spread: 0.17000, Last trade: 220.25, 24 hour volume: 59177.96008404, 24 hour low: 216.0, 24 hour high: 258.49, 24 hour vwap: 0
976484;1421201835;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5797 @ 0.00055448 = 3.2143 BTC [-]
976485;1421201857;kakobrekla;..
976486;1421201890;felipelalli;mircea_popescu: I was wondering because I really love the articles there and sometimes I didn't find the "original source".
976487;1421202140;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24700 @ 0.00055448 = 13.6957 BTC [-]
976488;1421202304;thestringpuller;sometimes original source is not available to public :P
976489;1421202309;thestringpuller;#watergate
976490;1421202323;thestringpuller;#wikileaks
976491;1421202674;felipelalli;thestringpuller: true :)
976492;1421202989;thestringpuller;cazalla: you gonna be at the computer for a minute?
976493;1421203032;cazalla;i will be until a scream comes over the baby monitor that someone is awake and demands lunch
976494;1421204656;mod6;anyone wanna test a shell script?
976495;1421204816;mod6;http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=A182nMiK
976496;1421204818;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1DENYkU )
976497;1421204911;thestringpuller;mod6: it doesn't work
976498;1421204932;mod6;pm me the error
976499;1421204996;mod6;or quit trolling :P
976500;1421206727;mircea_popescu;Error 10042 : It doesn't work.
976501;1421206838;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2803 @ 0.00055448 = 1.5542 BTC [-]
976502;1421206855;PeterL;mod6 what does your script do?
976503;1421206872;TheNewDeal;lotta shitty miners getting squeezed out othe marketplace, or what's with the 2 month long hash freeze?
976504;1421207069;BingoBoingo;;;bc,stats
976505;1421207073;gribble;Current Blocks: 338861 | Current Difficulty: 4.397166205608958E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 340703 | Next Difficulty In: 1842 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 6 days, 13 hours, 3 minutes, and 31 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 37632855784.5 | Estimated Percent Change: -14.41566
976506;1421207226;mod6;PeterL: builds the patched R.I. and compiles it
976507;1421207258;mod6;pulls all the patch packages, checks the hashes, checks the signatures.
976508;1421207291;mod6;mircea_popescu: ah, hmm.
976509;1421207310;mod6;oh well, w/e.
976510;1421207316;mod6;worked for me.
976511;1421207386;mod6;i hate shell scripts.
976512;1421207417;TomServo;Waterfall back in action...another 4300 or so evacuated.
976513;1421207424;TomServo;https://blockchain.info/charts/balance?address=36PrZ1KHYMpqSyAQXSG8VwbUiq2EogxLo2
976514;1421207427;assbot;Bitcoin Balance of bitcoin address: 36PrZ1KHYMpqSyAQXSG8VwbUiq2EogxLo2 ... ( http://bit.ly/1IudBoG )
976515;1421207506;assbot;Last 3 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/1E88Y6A.txt )
976516;1421207506;asciilifeform;!b 3
976517;1421207734;TheNewDeal;who controls that?
976518;1421207752;asciilifeform;hitler.
976519;1421207755;TomServo;lol
976520;1421207767;TomServo;That's ethereum's wallet
976521;1421207808;TheNewDeal;nice
976522;1421207883;TheNewDeal;it's like an inverse graph of ethereum support.
976523;1421207923;PeterL;anybody guess the probability ethereum ever becomes a working thing?
976524;1421208002;TheNewDeal;well if you're an ethereum dev, it already has done that
976525;1421208049;TheNewDeal;it's turned shit into capital - voila
976526;1421208549;TheNewDeal;anyone here tried eating melatonin before? any noticeable results?
976527;1421208677;mthreat;yes. first time it gave me the most intense nightmare I've ever had.
976528;1421208713;mthreat;after that, not so much, and it has helped me go to sleep, but I felt a bit groggy in the morning so I stopped taking it.
976529;1421208719;dub;just made me sleep better
976530;1421208748;joecool;i only use it in low dose for jet lag, it's not practical for daily use (and for me the store dosages are way too high)
976531;1421208761;mthreat;I would recommend taking 1/2 mg to start, up to 1mg max.
976532;1421208763;BingoBoingo;mirtazapine is generally the best for inducing trippy weird Vexual like dreams
976533;1421208766;joecool;i usually use 1.5mg for that use case... any more and groggy mornings
976534;1421208769;mthreat;they sell 3mg pills, that is too much, I think
976535;1421208821;dub;fixin to get exual
976536;1421208831;dub;wtf
976537;1421208833;joecool;BingoBoingo: vitamin b6 will usually give messed up dreams too
976538;1421208841;dub;Vexual
976539;1421208864;TheNewDeal;stuff I bought from drug store was 5mg chewies
976540;1421208881;BingoBoingo;joecool: There's a bunch of stuff that messes with dreaming.
976541;1421208893;Adlai;calea z
976542;1421208894;TheNewDeal;thought I read online that the body synthesizes the stuff from Tryptophan tho?
976543;1421208934;joecool;well you get the same effect of taking melatonin at a much lower level if you just turn your lights off and lay down in the dark for a bit
976544;1421208941;Adlai;"Users take the plant to help them remember their dreams; side effects include hallucinations, nausea, and vomiting."
976545;1421208963;dub;going out in the sun works
976546;1421208974;dub;problematic for #b-a shutins
976547;1421208998;mthreat;bah, get a sun desktop background :)
976548;1421209029;TheNewDeal;I'm working in the sunny south and it starting to get some poor sleep. If I wake up to go to the bathroom I am having trouble getting back to sleep. This is atypical for meh
976549;1421209044;dub;whisky
976550;1421209289;kakobrekla;test
976551;1421209291;kakobrekla;!b 3
976552;1421209291;assbot;Last 3 lines bashed and pending review. ( TheNewDeal: I'm working in the sunny south and it starting to get some poor sleep. If I wake up to go to the bathroom I am having trouble getting back to sleep. This is atypical for mehdub: whiskykakobrekla: test )
976553;1421209305;kakobrekla;aha
976554;1421209455;kakobrekla;!b 3
976555;1421209455;assbot;Last 3 lines bashed and pending review. ( kakobrekla: testkakobrekla: !b 3kakobrekla: aha )
976556;1421209469;kakobrekla;doh lol
976557;1421209619;BingoBoingo;!b 2
976558;1421209620;assbot;Last 2 lines bashed and pending review. ( kakobrekla: !b 3kakobrekla: doh lol )
976559;1421209642;kakobrekla;wait wut
976560;1421209700;BingoBoingo;Nah just paper over it
976561;1421209712;kakobrekla;mhm
976562;1421209714;kakobrekla;!b 3
976563;1421209715;assbot;Last 3 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/2718MNX.txt )
976564;1421210048;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 4579 @ 0.0007418 = 3.3967 BTC [-] {8} 
976565;1421210353;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10398 @ 0.00056568 = 5.8819 BTC [+]
976566;1421210901;ben_vulpes;hola bigtip
976567;1421211286;mircea_popescu;you know it kinda sucks that there's no city called buenos tardes in argentina.
976568;1421211359;asciilifeform;!up Alina-malina
976569;1421211365;mircea_popescu;mod6:i hate shell scripts. << i wasn't serious man. just joking around his error.
976570;1421211368;asciilifeform;Alina-malina: who might you be ?
976571;1421211374;mod6;oh srsly?
976572;1421211385;mod6;i've been like killing kittens for like 30 minutes
976573;1421211390;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24004 @ 0.00056568 = 13.5786 BTC [+]
976574;1421211392;mircea_popescu;shit
976575;1421211396;mircea_popescu;i shoud be more careful
976576;1421211409;mod6;haha. no worries.
976577;1421211417;ben_vulpes;asciilifeform: probably a badmouthed set of points
976578;1421211445;mircea_popescu;TomServo: https://blockchain.info/charts/balance?address=36PrZ1KHYMpqSyAQXSG8VwbUiq2EogxLo2 << that the ethereum "investment" address ?
976579;1421211449;assbot;Bitcoin Balance of bitcoin address: 36PrZ1KHYMpqSyAQXSG8VwbUiq2EogxLo2 ... ( http://bit.ly/1ya4yHX )
976580;1421211452;BingoBoingo;Indeed
976581;1421211453;mircea_popescu;aha
976582;1421211479;mircea_popescu;lol. for all the redditard "consensus" and "Community" i can never find someone to write me a fucking short worth ten bucks on their idiotic ideas.
976583;1421211497;mircea_popescu;nobody wants to buy gavincoins atm, either. been asking around, zilch actual support
976584;1421211512;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16781 @ 0.00058654 = 9.8427 BTC [+] {2} 
976585;1421211514;mircea_popescu;"oh there's 100% support with the gab, 0% support with the purse, how could this not succeed"
976586;1421211534;asciilifeform;same as the buterin thing
976587;1421211543;mircea_popescu;PeterL: anybody guess the probability ethereum ever becomes a working thing? << epsilon, when it was announced. that was a while back.
976588;1421211564;mircea_popescu;wow mthreat's in da house. how goes man ?
976589;1421211573;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2880 @ 0.00058725 = 1.6913 BTC [+]
976590;1421211642;mircea_popescu;dub: problematic for #b-a shutins << you should see the bright suns of argentina, northern boi.
976591;1421211692;asciilifeform;http://photojournal.jpl.nasa.gov/jpeg/PIA03520.jpg << the bright suns of argentina ?
976592;1421211696;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1ya58p1 )
976593;1421211745;mircea_popescu;lol
976594;1421211802;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform it's actually great, the sun of my childhood. back when i was a kid i loved the sun, but then something sort-of changed at some point, past decade or so i couldn't even look at the fucking sky in the daytime. i kinda untinkingly just figured it's... gone.
976595;1421211813;mircea_popescu;got here, discovered that the exact thing i knew as a boy still exists.
976596;1421211823;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: aha, same!  i assumed it was on account of moving to north a.
976597;1421211824;mircea_popescu;i imagine it's some sort of northern hemisphere polution or other.
976598;1421211865;mircea_popescu;just, this very bright but nondestructive sun.
976599;1421211869;mircea_popescu;mebbe ozone layer hole ? who knows.
976600;1421211902;asciilifeform;i bought a uv dosimeter as learning such a thing existed. because burns after 40 min. or so.
976601;1421211909;asciilifeform;no such thing in childhood.
976602;1421211923;asciilifeform;assumed - ozone.
976603;1421212085;mircea_popescu;well it makes no sense because hole should be right here
976604;1421212252;ben_vulpes;why should the hole be over ba?
976605;1421212296;mircea_popescu;isn't antarctica where the hole supposedly was /
976606;1421212315;TomServo;That's my recollection.
976607;1421212359;dub;sun here is brutal
976608;1421212440;mircea_popescu;tropical summer, ba sun's pleasant. bright winter day in mass, no snow or anything, sun's too much.
976609;1421212452;mircea_popescu;there's something at work here.
976610;1421212464;dub;takes like 10 minutes to get sunburned
976611;1421212491;dub;they actually track burn time in weather forecasting
976612;1421212508;*;mircea_popescu recalls going to seaside with fambly as 5yo, spending whole day (10am to 3-4 pm ?) in sun building castles. turning distinctly indian colored.
976613;1421212513;mircea_popescu;no uv screens back then either.
976614;1421212526;mircea_popescu;but i never had a sunburn.
976615;1421212530;dub;yeah, dem greenhouse gases
976616;1421212534;mircea_popescu;mebbe
976617;1421212581;*;asciilifeform also built castles, around same era, within ~900km of mircea_popescu, same latitude, no burns
976618;1421212601;mircea_popescu;is it even 900km to odessa ?!
976619;1421212606;mircea_popescu;;;google distance constanta odessa
976620;1421212607;gribble;Varna.info - Constanta to Varna Travel: <http://www.varna.info/constanta-to-varna/>; Constanța to Odessa by bus, car, plane | Rome2rio: <http://www.rome2rio.com/s/Constan%C8%9Ba/Odessa>; Trains, buses, airplanes to / from Moldova. Options, time table: <http://www.marisha.net/crossroads.htm>
976621;1421212608;dub;I got 3rd degree burns when i was 10 or so from a full day lying on beach and surfboard, back and legs turned to one big blister
976622;1421212622;dub;but yeah, no sunblock back then
976623;1421212624;mircea_popescu;i never had skin peel.
976624;1421212648;dub;I spend a lot of time in the sun
976625;1421212675;mircea_popescu;i thought you were a dc monkey.
976626;1421212687;mircea_popescu;"we have a luminator!"
976627;1421212750;dub;[23:13] <dub> fixin to get exual
976628;1421212757;dub;er
976629;1421212784;asciilifeform;http://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=constanta+romania+to+odessa+ukraine
976630;1421212788;assbot; constanta romania to odessa ukraine - Wolfram|Alpha ... ( http://bit.ly/1ya7STo )
976631;1421212798;asciilifeform;wolframator claims: ~300km
976632;1421212847;mircea_popescu;seems more like it
976633;1421212868;mircea_popescu;prolly 500ish if you drive
976634;1421212877;dub;its 26c here, at 18:00. The sea is 22-24c so I try to stay in that as mush as possible around this time of year
976635;1421212929;cazalla;listen to all these amatuers talk about getting sun burnt.. one of the highest rates of skin cancer in the world!
976636;1421212936;cazalla;down under that is
976637;1421212959;mircea_popescu;only because the snake & spider venom protects you from it.
976638;1421212983;mircea_popescu;otherwise au cancers'd have the greatest incidence of attached human tissue or something
976639;1421212988;dub;or because the avg oz cant work out hoe to dress itself
976640;1421213017;cazalla;personally i cut the melanomas off with a bowie knife
976641;1421213040;dub;fuckin chew them off mate, wash it down with a vb
976642;1421213068;dub;[00:19] <dub> [23:13] <dub> fixin to get exual
976643;1421213073;dub;lel fuck
976644;1421213119;mircea_popescu;;;google instructions on how to use a modern keyboard for dub and others in need
976645;1421213120;gribble;DubTurbo - Easy To Use Beat Maker & Music Production Software + ...: <http://www.dubturbo.com/>; Hip Hop Beat Construction Made Easy - TweakHeadz: <http://tweakheadz.com/hip-hop-beat-construction-made-easy-the-elements-of-a-beat-arranging-beats-orchestrating-beats-sound-creation-and-production-tips-for-hip-hop/>; Ambient music - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: (1 more message)
976646;1421213138;*;dub hits turbo boost
976647;1421213142;mircea_popescu;clearly.
976648;1421213165;mircea_popescu;;;google how to make a search engine that didn't suck.
976649;1421213166;gribble;Amazon.com: Search Engine Marketing That Doesn't Suck (Punk ...: <http://www.amazon.com/Search-Engine-Marketing-Doesnt-Collection-ebook/dp/B00CKCQI7K>; A search engine built by the crowd, that does not suck | archify blog: <http://blog.archify.com/2013/07/11/a-search-engine-built-by-the-crowd-that-does-not-suck/>; New search UI coming in Firefox 34 | Mozilla Add-ons Blog: (1 more message)
976650;1421213343;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 7323 @ 0.00071575 = 5.2414 BTC [-] {22} 
976651;1421213394;mod6;so, when I googled: Error 10042
976652;1421213405;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 55700 @ 0.00056227 = 31.3184 BTC [-] {2} 
976653;1421213415;mod6;it came back with windows TCP Socket Errors. I was like ... WTF?! RAGE!
976654;1421213444;mod6;lol. had me goin'
976655;1421213446;BingoBoingo;https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B7QppaqCQAAVtUR.jpg:large
976656;1421213447;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1ya9Djw )
976657;1421213480;mircea_popescu;i kinda made it up on the idea that dumbass windows errors are 1000xx sort of thing
976658;1421213495;mod6;haha. it was spot on.
976659;1421213534;mod6;i thought it had to have something to do with the curl commands. but couldn't sort it out.
976660;1421213559;asciilifeform;;;google guru meditation error
976661;1421213560;gribble;Guru Meditation - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guru_Meditation>; What the heck is this Virtualbox Guru Meditation error about ...: <http://www.fixedbyvonnie.com/2014/09/heck-virtualbox-guru-meditation-error/>; Service Unavailable - Guru Meditation - Varnish cache server - Drupal: <https://www.drupal.org/node/1930488>
976662;1421213585;mod6;was like "i /knew/ i should have just wrote it in perl".
976663;1421213648;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 30 @ 0.109223 = 3.2767 BTC [-]
976664;1421213753;mircea_popescu;mod6 why, so at least you'd be ok with it failing ? :D
976665;1421213918;mod6;hahah
976666;1421213946;mod6;i typically have a bit of a more painful time writing shell scripts
976667;1421214039;mod6;back in the day, you had to really know the differences in syntax between sh, bash, ksh, csh, tcsh, zsh etc.  It was such a headache.  Then along comes perl...
976668;1421214075;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26300 @ 0.00058954 = 15.5049 BTC [+] {2} 
976669;1421214082;mircea_popescu;yeah this is strangely never mentioned
976670;1421214087;mod6;left my memorzation of all the nuances of the shells in the past
976671;1421214142;asciilifeform;not mentioned for the same reason sky being blue is rarely mentioned - abundantly clear that an atrocity like perl had to offer a mega-win to catch on (and it did genuinely, organically catch on)
976672;1421214243;*;ben_vulpes only learned from working with mod6
976673;1421214255;ben_vulpes;learned *this*
976674;1421214296;mircea_popescu;yeah i guess so
976675;1421214320;ben_vulpes;explains why so many sages under whom i've labored have been all about the perl
976676;1421214385;mod6;i dunno, i like it. it's built around lexigraphical parsing and list processing.  i've gotten comfortable in there over the years.
976677;1421214423;ben_vulpes;list processing's a pretty neat programming model yeah
976678;1421214457;ben_vulpes;also explains why soooo many terminal programs are extensible with you know "perl, and maybe some other languages if you absolutely must"
976679;1421214489;*;asciilifeform confesses that he has never written, or used, an extension for a terminal
976680;1421214520;*;mircea_popescu is waiting for terminal 2.0, extended with css instead of language.
976681;1421214542;*;asciilifeform tests barf bag
976682;1421214552;*;mod6 screams in agony
976683;1421214585;ben_vulpes;that's...inhumane.
976684;1421214594;mircea_popescu;but you could use other fonts besides comic ?
976685;1421214614;ben_vulpes;yeah i could have emojiterm
976686;1421214620;ben_vulpes;with inline gifs
976687;1421214623;mod6;comic sans shell, be like something from maddox
976688;1421214624;mircea_popescu;are you opposing women in bash ?
976689;1421214658;ben_vulpes;no wai emojiterm is the missing piece of wimminz in tech
976690;1421214666;ben_vulpes;quickly i must kickstart this
976691;1421214675;ben_vulpes;kickshart
976692;1421214679;mircea_popescu;make sure you're transparent.
976693;1421214728;*;asciilifeform long awaits 'suckstarter', successor to 'kickstarter'
976694;1421214775;mod6;suckstarter will be the new facebook for broke hoz
976695;1421214785;mod6;i can't wait
976696;1421214880;ben_vulpes;http://cwguy.com/wp-images/upload/File/200802/01/IMG_2452.JPG  << amidoinitrite?
976697;1421214883;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1yadrkN )
976698;1421214901;asciilifeform;wat
976699;1421215036;mircea_popescu;was that rubber ?
976700;1421215091;ben_vulpes;it's a broken hose, asciilifeform!
976701;1421215109;asciilifeform;well yes.
976702;1421215163;ben_vulpes;different topic y'all
976703;1421215181;mircea_popescu;eh just put some caulk on it.
976704;1421215184;ben_vulpes;how is this (https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/blob/v0.5.3/src/wallet.cpp#L1003) a legit use of this (https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/blob/v0.5.3/src/script.cpp#L1163)
976705;1421215254;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: 'solver' can fail
976706;1421215274;ben_vulpes;sure...
976707;1421215293;mircea_popescu;so can verify solution
976708;1421215297;ben_vulpes;this is probably me not grokking c. how does the function with a signature of like 6 args get called legitimately with 4?
976709;1421215332;ben_vulpes;the first of which doesn't even seem to be a keystore
976710;1421215339;ben_vulpes;CKeyStore
976711;1421215369;mircea_popescu;are the first 2 defaults ?
976712;1421215400;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: cpp. declared with 5. last is default.
976713;1421215407;mircea_popescu;it occurs to me this is pretty horribru programming.
976714;1421215444;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/blob/f914f1a746d7f91951c1da262a4a749dd3ebfa71/src/script/sign.h#L17
976715;1421215445;assbot;bitcoin/sign.h at f914f1a746d7f91951c1da262a4a749dd3ebfa71 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1wY6Qnz )
976716;1421215481;ben_vulpes;waahahahaha
976717;1421215483;ben_vulpes;are you serious
976718;1421215494;ben_vulpes;okay cool well i guess that makes sense
976719;1421215518;asciilifeform;as far as cppisms go, this is nothing at all.
976720;1421215558;ben_vulpes;sure, i guess
976721;1421215591;ben_vulpes;so that's two exported versions of the same function that are "polymorphic" as i understand the term on argument types?
976722;1421215621;asciilifeform;i may have linked to the current turd instead of 0.5.3
976723;1421215626;mircea_popescu;why would anyone want to do this
976724;1421215647;ben_vulpes;asciilifeform: yeah, that's the current version
976725;1421215647;mircea_popescu;i apparently understsnd even less of coding than i had thought.
976726;1421215676;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: polymorphism? so you can use 'plus' on quaternions, bignum ints, and smallints, and it remains called 'plus' - etc.
976727;1421215685;mircea_popescu;nono
976728;1421215691;asciilifeform;polyadic functions?
976729;1421215694;mircea_popescu;export a differently defined prototype of thje same function same name
976730;1421215708;ben_vulpes;asciilifeform: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/blob/v0.5.3/src/script.h#L700
976731;1421215710;assbot;bitcoin/script.h at v0.5.3 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1yafup9 )
976732;1421215717;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: aha
976733;1421215764;ben_vulpes;i'm still not understanding how the *this argument (which looks like a bool?!) is turning into a CKeyStore
976734;1421215874;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: in cpp, 'this' points to current object.
976735;1421215902;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes is new to cpp ?
976736;1421215969;ben_vulpes;no, i understand the this pointer. what i'm failing to understand is how the reference to the object from which SignSignature is called can in any way be coerced to a CKeyStore
976737;1421216019;ben_vulpes;asciilifeform: a bit, yeah. picking it up relatively quickly.
976738;1421216036;ben_vulpes;my problem with the bitcoin codebase is not cpp (that's just another language), but the insane class hierarchies i have to hold in my head
976739;1421216048;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: you probably already own b. stroustrup, but for n00bs i like to give s. lippman's 'primer'
976740;1421216075;ben_vulpes;mthanks
976741;1421216109;*;ben_vulpes is still hung on the CKeyStore coercion
976742;1421216152;*;asciilifeform once fed 'lippman' to pet. it turned out that she had been fed it already as a child
976743;1421216166;*;ben_vulpes will now have to shelve and reserve Siebel for late night palate cleanser
976744;1421216173;asciilifeform;and was already an accomplished hater of the language.
976745;1421216238;ben_vulpes;ah okay i get it
976746;1421216258;ben_vulpes;CWallet inherits from CCryptoKeyStore
976747;1421216261;ben_vulpes;derp
976748;1421216290;ben_vulpes;thanks, asciilifeform!
976749;1421216299;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: ever tried http://www.gnu.org/software/emacs/manual/html_mono/ebrowse.html ?
976750;1421216301;assbot;A Class Browser for C++ ... ( http://bit.ly/1wY9xWn )
976751;1421216312;*;ben_vulpes eyes bulge
976752;1421216317;ben_vulpes;NO
976753;1421216325;mircea_popescu;i wonder how much stuff like "let's make a readable, minimal implementation of bitcoin" would increase adoption.
976754;1421216337;mircea_popescu;as opposed to misguided efforts at "let's bloat everything with more of the same stupid"
976755;1421216369;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: for example, it will become possible to write a book about how the damn thing works.
976756;1421216371;mircea_popescu;brb making a reddit survey.
976757;1421216378;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: specifically in the style of the 'lions book'
976758;1421216393;ben_vulpes;okay i guess i'm not getting anything done on the cpp for a few days while i get up to speed on ebrowse
976759;1421216394;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform yeah, seven years later o.O
976760;1421216399;asciilifeform;http://www.lemis.com/grog/Documentation/Lions/
976761;1421216400;assbot;Commentary on the Sixth Edition UNIX Operating System ... ( http://bit.ly/1wY9PN1 )
976762;1421216417;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform that book doesn't exist because o'reilly didn't publish it.
976763;1421216436;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: as (i think) i told jurov & co., it is my intention to eventually write this book. if live long enough.
976764;1421216438;ben_vulpes;"Without such a tool you often end up greping through dozens or even hundreds of files." << yeah exactly. EXACTLY.
976765;1421216486;*;mircea_popescu smiles at the original premise of the entire foss movement rebirthed. "by working on intelligent tasks with intelligent people you become more intelligent yourself. this is more important than money"
976766;1421216509;*;ben_vulpes can't hear anything over the sound of brain fabric ripping
976767;1421216613;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: there are other, i think, similar proggies
976768;1421216620;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform you're not going to die man. at the very most, you'll be set in a room for 30 years' stretch. at a time where you're old enough to not really miss women so much anymore, and old enough to really appreciate the stability of 3 regular, predictable meals a day.
976769;1421216642;asciilifeform;then i can finally write 'mein kampf.'
976770;1421216647;mircea_popescu;right.
976771;1421216648;asciilifeform;or wait, i think that one's out already
976772;1421216674;mircea_popescu;well, use different parameters.
976773;1421216685;mircea_popescu;then it can still be called "mein kampf"
976774;1421216705;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu ever read 'Schachnovelle' ?
976775;1421216719;mircea_popescu;(and yes ftr /me is nonplussed with the idiotic idea of ambiguously calling everythning "plus". it creates the sort of idiots that imagines they can do statistics work because they can add integers on their fingers)
976776;1421216753;mircea_popescu;nope.
976777;1421216756;BingoBoingo;http://doccartoon.blogspot.com/2015/01/dr-orthochick-upscale.html
976778;1421216758;assbot;A Cartoon Guide to Becoming a Doctor: Dr. Orthochick: Upscale ... ( http://bit.ly/1yaii5w )
976779;1421216770;artifexd;<ben_vulpes> so that's two exported versions of the same function that are "polymorphic" as i understand the term on argument types? << The proper term is "overloaded"
976780;1421216770;asciilifeform;https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Royal_Game << pediwik, for n00bz
976781;1421216772;assbot;The Royal Game - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ... ( http://bit.ly/1yaikdG )
976782;1421216798;mircea_popescu;im not a great fan of... whatever the fuck that was, german lumpenmodernism
976783;1421216874;asciilifeform;not a titanic work of literature, but relevant. fella goes mad on account of getting locked up for a while with naught but a chess book.
976784;1421216938;mircea_popescu;eh it's not how it works, unless fella's a little broken in the head.
976785;1421217015;mircea_popescu;"Mr. [Patient] is a 39 year old gentleman who sustained several anterior dislocations of his right shoulder when he was involved in martial arts as part of an underground fighting group. He did not seek treatment for these and the problem worsened after he lifted heavy weights while in prison. He presents today with his caretaker, who states that because of his impulsive and self-destructive behavior secondary to bipol
976786;1421217015;mircea_popescu;ar disorder with psychosis, it is difficult for him to follow any sort of treatment plan."
976787;1421217056;*;mircea_popescu is tempted to hire the man.
976788;1421217125;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 50300 @ 0.00053341 = 26.8305 BTC [-] {3} 
976789;1421217168;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: Aren't medical blogs the best.
976790;1421217204;mircea_popescu;not bad.
976791;1421217234;BingoBoingo;Not necessarily as literature, but as a replacement for LinkedIN
976792;1421217321;ben_vulpes;ty artifexd
976793;1421217362;Elian11;reading scroll back :IMO a pure Python Bitcoin client would open up development to a lot of coders
976794;1421217386;asciilifeform;'would open up development to a lot of coders' << why would anyone wish this to happen ?
976795;1421217433;Elian11;the usual suspects for "Open Source" development
976796;1421217466;ben_vulpes;Elian11: i envision a future where journeymen write their own bitcoin implementations
976797;1421217483;ben_vulpes;"undergraduate exercise"
976798;1421217494;Elian11;Whats the point if you are not going to help people up?
976799;1421217497;mircea_popescu;that future's pretty much certain.
976800;1421217554;mircea_popescu;Elian11 helping people up does not consist of encouraging passengers to bring their own clothes for the airplane.
976801;1421217573;mircea_popescu;airplanes don't, generally, want clothes. and passengers are invited to play dress-up at home, on their blogs with css and whatever.
976802;1421217623;mircea_popescu;course a klm flight with a large russian hat atop the cockpit would be kinda funny to look at.
976803;1421217661;Elian11;I mean up, as in: level up their skills.
976804;1421217687;BingoBoingo;!b 2
976805;1421217688;assbot;Last 2 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/1WCK033.txt )
976806;1421217699;asciilifeform;'level up skills' at home, under a blanket.
976807;1421217707;Elian11;You know that song by Michael Jackson, Man in the Mirror
976808;1421217756;asciilifeform;obligatory naggum: 'I don't _want_ Joe Blows' Homemade Microwave Oven, OK?' ( http://www.xach.com/naggum/articles/3065132899827911@naggum.no.html )
976809;1421217757;assbot;Re: Why lisp failed in the marketplace - Naggum cll archive ... ( http://bit.ly/1yakU3c )
976810;1421217786;Elian11;It's my fav. song. And, i think that more people understanding is a good thing
976811;1421217804;mircea_popescu;your favourite song is michale jackson's man in the mirror ?!
976812;1421217824;mircea_popescu;what are you, the polish chick in Friends ?
976813;1421217851;Elian11;^ yes thats what i write
976814;1421217888;mircea_popescu;prolly the funniest thing in spanish is that "successful" is "exitoso/a".
976815;1421217890;mircea_popescu;exit-y.
976816;1421217946;mircea_popescu;hm, lisa kudrow is not actually polish. that show's got nothing now ;/
976817;1421217965;mircea_popescu;i had honestly thought they were making dumb polack jokes.
976818;1421218015;BingoBoingo;!b 2
976819;1421218016;assbot;Last 2 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/2FM8AA1.txt )
976820;1421218095;mircea_popescu;;;ticker
976821;1421218096;gribble;Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 206.51, Best ask: 206.65, Bid-ask spread: 0.14000, Last trade: 206.77, 24 hour volume: 56651.01119185, 24 hour low: 203.0, 24 hour high: 250.01, 24 hour vwap: 228.336912025
976822;1421218107;mircea_popescu;look at that, exchanges holding on for dear life over 200
976823;1421218164;artifexd;http://bitbet.us/bet/1095/bitcoin-to-drop-under-200-before-feb/
976824;1421218165;assbot;BitBet - Bitcoin to drop under 200$ before Feb :: 6.25 B (54%) on Yes, 5.38 B (46%) on No | closing in 1 week 17 hours | weight: 50`499 (100`000 to 10`000) ... ( http://bit.ly/1wYfnXD )
976825;1421218180;mircea_popescu;heh yea
976826;1421218217;artifexd;Imma be pissed if it drops below 200 before the next block confirms
976827;1421218220;artifexd;;;tslb
976828;1421218224;gribble;Time since last block: 24 minutes and 42 seconds
976829;1421218240;mircea_popescu;heh
976830;1421218319;BingoBoingo;;;bc,stats
976831;1421218323;gribble;Current Blocks: 338875 | Current Difficulty: 4.397166205608958E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 340703 | Next Difficulty In: 1828 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 6 days, 8 hours, 14 minutes, and 0 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 37387158306.1 | Estimated Percent Change: -14.97443
976832;1421218342;Elian11;DAMMMMMN 206? Im moving to Africa
976833;1421218347;mircea_popescu;so is reddit generally pleasing with the gavinesque attack on bitcoin or we're not seeing the matter for the shit between eyes ?
976834;1421218374;mircea_popescu;pleased*
976835;1421218523;BingoBoingo;!up yule
976836;1421218731;[]bot;Bet placed: 5 BTC for Yes on "Bitcoin to drop under 200$ before Feb" http://bitbet.us/bet/1095/ Odds: 80(Y):20(N) by coin, 70(Y):30(N) by weight. Total bet: 27.43877896 BTC. Current weight: 50,465.
976837;1421218734;[]bot;Bet placed: 2 BTC for Yes on "Bitcoin to drop under 200$ before Feb" http://bitbet.us/bet/1095/ Odds: 80(Y):20(N) by coin, 70(Y):30(N) by weight. Total bet: 27.43877896 BTC. Current weight: 50,464.
976838;1421218736;[]bot;Bet placed: 8.8 BTC for Yes on "Bitcoin to drop under 200$ before Feb" http://bitbet.us/bet/1095/ Odds: 80(Y):20(N) by coin, 70(Y):30(N) by weight. Total bet: 27.43877896 BTC. Current weight: 50,464.
976839;1421218797;dub;risky bets
976840;1421218823;cazalla;i took no for a few bit cents, c'mon no whammy!
976841;1421218869;punkman;won't those bets just get refunded due to buffer clause?
976842;1421218891;dub;I thought s/refunded/donated/
976843;1421218910;mircea_popescu;no, refunded.
976844;1421218915;dub;oh
976845;1421218922;mircea_popescu;course... it could go under in the 16 hours atop a week...
976846;1421219030;mircea_popescu;o look at that, mpif is 99/1 on no too.
976847;1421219230;artifexd;what bet are you talking about?
976848;1421219269;Elian11;yawwwns, Sun has risen over the Aegean again. i continue my trip
976849;1421219359;mircea_popescu;the 200 btc one ?
976850;1421219426;artifexd;Oh. I thought you were discussing a bet about mpif.
976851;1421219462;mircea_popescu;http://bitbet.us/bet/1095/bitcoin-to-drop-under-200-before-feb/#b5 << looks like P5 made that to me
976852;1421219463;assbot;BitBet - Bitcoin to drop under 200$ before Feb :: 22.05 B (80%) on Yes, 5.38 B (20%) on No | closing in 1 week 16 hours | weight: 50`420 (100`000 to 10`000) ... ( http://bit.ly/1yaoRFc )
976853;1421219490;BingoBoingo;;;ticker --market all
976854;1421219499;gribble;Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 205.13, vol: 57257.02968217 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 202.0, vol: 35922.36976 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 204.59, vol: 143572.43355688 | CampBX BTCUSD last: 199.79, vol: 61.48176239 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 199.458741, vol: 326926.92180000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 210.00017, vol: 184.6207104 | Bitcoin-Central BTCUSD last: 222.849895272, vol: 414.35185372 | Volume-weighted last (1 more message)
976855;1421219553;BingoBoingo;!up Birdman
976856;1421219567;Birdman;Ty
976857;1421219570;BingoBoingo;Birdman: It depends on the wording of the particular bet
976858;1421219572;fluffypony;Birdman: you were a good movie, thanks
976859;1421219573;BingoBoingo;!up mats
976860;1421219608;xanthyos;hi
976861;1421219679;xanthyos;"successful" is "exitoso/a". << always leave them wanting more
976862;1421219692;mircea_popescu;lol
976863;1421219737;Birdman;BingoBoingo: Ah, i see, it goes by Bitstamp. Also, i see that you would only be able to place a "Yes" be within the next 16 hours or so.
976864;1421219786;BingoBoingo;Birdman: Are you sure you are reading correctly?
976865;1421219827;Birdman;BingoBoingo: "If the difference between a given "Yes" bet time and the bet's closing time is less than one week, such bets will be refunded minus fee."
976866;1421219859;BingoBoingo;Birdman: Bet can also close by Bitcoin going below 200 on ButtStamp
976867;1421219930;Birdman;Hm
976868;1421219940;mircea_popescu;The new government was received with considerable coolness. It was not only a foreign intruder, but a poor one. It was not even worth plucking�except by the smallest of small fry office-seekers and such. Everybody knew that Congress had appropriated only twenty thousand dollars a year in greenbacks for its support�about money enough to run a quartz mill a month. And everybody knew, also, that the first year's money
976869;1421219940;mircea_popescu; was still in Washington, and that the getting hold of it would be a tedious and difficult process. Carson City was too wary and too wise to open up a credit account with the imported bantling with anything like indecent haste.
976870;1421219941;mircea_popescu;There is something solemnly funny about the struggles of a new-born Territorial government to get a start in this world. Ours had a trying time of it. The Organic Act and the "instructions" from the State Department commanded that a legislature should be elected at such-and- such a time, and its sittings inaugurated at such-and-such a date. It was easy to get legislators, even at three dollars a day, although board was
976871;1421219947;mircea_popescu; four dollars and fifty cents, for distinction has its charm in Nevada as well as elsewhere, and there were plenty of patriotic souls out of employment; but to get a legislative hall for them to meet in was another matter altogether. Carson blandly declined to give a room rent-free, or let one to the government on credit.
976872;1421219951;mircea_popescu;the great old days when america worked as intended.
976873;1421219956;mircea_popescu;it DID have greenbacks. but they were backed by gold.
976874;1421219996;BingoBoingo;Birdman: Conditions of the bet actually happening tend to close the bet.
976875;1421220034;Birdman;BingoBoingo: I undstand
976876;1421220034;fluffypony;http://i.imgur.com/x55Dm3V.png
976877;1421220036;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1xnwvVF )
976878;1421220056;mircea_popescu;lul evilpony
976879;1421220275;artifexd;;;ticker
976880;1421220276;gribble;Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 200.1, Best ask: 201.89, Bid-ask spread: 1.79000, Last trade: 200.0, 24 hour volume: 59974.08325502, 24 hour low: 200.0, 24 hour high: 250.0, 24 hour vwap: 225.001947876
976881;1421220296;artifexd;;;ticker --market all
976882;1421220310;gribble;Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 200.0, vol: 59974.08325502 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 192.301, vol: 37194.69668 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 195.19, vol: 145436.23163115 | CampBX BTCUSD last: 199.79, vol: 61.48176239 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 188.629794, vol: 327193.55260000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 205.0, vol: 186.42597824 | Bitcoin-Central BTCUSD last: 106.137, vol: 447.75749073 | Volume-weighted last average: (1 more message)
976883;1421220329;artifexd;https://bitcoinwisdom.com/markets/bitstamp/btcusd << Showing a freefall right now. 165 and still falling.
976884;1421220330;assbot;Bitstamp BTC/USD Charts - BitcoinWisdom ... ( http://bit.ly/1yarmr3 )
976885;1421220336;mircea_popescu;o.O
976886;1421220348;punkman;106 on btccentral?
976887;1421220357;mircea_popescu;yup is 160ish
976888;1421220406;mircea_popescu;gavin apology forthcoming yet ?
976889;1421220436;mircea_popescu;i guess might as well inquire in the idiot's den.
976890;1421220440;cazalla;horry sheet, this is impossibru
976891;1421220478;mircea_popescu;errything's possible.
976892;1421220510;cazalla;ha my brother is texting me upset
976893;1421220516;cazalla;(again)
976894;1421220527;punkman;I'm only upset I don't more dollar
976895;1421220562;BingoBoingo;!up Vexual
976896;1421220708;Vexual;mirtazapine? what wrong with cheese man?
976897;1421220738;BingoBoingo;lol
976898;1421220756;BingoBoingo;I offered most effect, not a normal solution
976899;1421220786;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18750 @ 0.00056003 = 10.5006 BTC [+]
976900;1421220846;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 2501 @ 0.00065 = 1.6257 BTC [-] {2} 
976901;1421220922;cazalla;ah well, that's the way she goes
976902;1421220985;BingoBoingo;!up HlySht
976903;1421221357;Vexual;1000 yuan
976904;1421221395;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 57800 @ 0.0005524 = 31.9287 BTC [-]
976905;1421222012;felipelalli;oh my god
976906;1421222172;BingoBoingo;;;ticker
976907;1421222173;gribble;Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 186.09, Best ask: 187.05, Bid-ask spread: 0.96000, Last trade: 186.41, 24 hour volume: 73114.67316373, 24 hour low: 152.4, 24 hour high: 247.16, 24 hour vwap: 217.268927578
976908;1421222183;BingoBoingo;;;ticker --market all
976909;1421222198;gribble;Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 187.3, vol: 73115.17316373 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 187.684, vol: 43792.26506 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 187.54, vol: 163193.43712903 | CampBX BTCUSD last: 190.0, vol: 77.80584756 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 174.000498, vol: 321497.25230000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 180.00056, vol: 189.73923824 | Bitcoin-Central BTCUSD last: 145.2138, vol: 430.58183193 | Volume-weighted last (1 more message)
976910;1421222218;HlySht;Wow. This is one for the books.
976911;1421222244;mircea_popescu;"gotta hardfork to drive adoption"
976912;1421222255;HlySht;lol
976913;1421222262;punkman;no meat for gavin
976914;1421222272;mircea_popescu;punkman foundation mostly holds btc.
976915;1421222286;mircea_popescu;his salary went from 'maybe all of 2015, possibly" to "maybe next month. doubtful."
976916;1421222307;mircea_popescu;at the edge of seat here, see what they come up with.
976917;1421222751;HlySht;see what who comes up with?
976918;1421222864;mircea_popescu;prolly some log reading a good idea.
976919;1421223027;danielpbarron;If bitcoin was alot cheaper, more people would participate and actually use it instead of gamble on it. --bitcointalk
976920;1421223042;danielpbarron;"lower price drives adoption! this is actually a good thing!"
976921;1421223050;fluffypony;THIS IS GOOD FOR BITCOIN - Reddit
976922;1421223345;mircea_popescu;lol
976923;1421223379;mircea_popescu;it is good for bitcoin, at that. shake a bunch of 7th day capitalists / internet retards off it.
976924;1421223548;fluffypony;I wonder when the suicide sticky is going to come back to Reddit
976925;1421223574;mircea_popescu;tomorrow morn ?
976926;1421223595;BingoBoingo;!up zprincipal
976927;1421223652;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17008 @ 0.00056003 = 9.525 BTC [+]
976928;1421223835;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 100000 @ 0.00053724 = 53.724 BTC [-] {5} 
976929;1421224080;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 5314 @ 0.00052158 = 2.7717 BTC [-] {16} 
976930;1421224099;BingoBoingo;;;ticker --market all
976931;1421224114;gribble;Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 182.65, vol: 75201.91575654 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 187.14, vol: 45254.95093 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 191.0, vol: 192713.17729051 | CampBX BTCUSD last: 190.0, vol: 78.32618523 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 179.28312, vol: 308599.75680000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 180.00056, vol: 189.73923824 | Bitcoin-Central BTCUSD last: 177.03, vol: 423.78070798 | Volume-weighted last average: (1 more message)
976932;1421224124;mircea_popescu;check it out, the 170 bet survived. http://bitbet.us/bet/1103/bitcoin-to-drop-under-170-before-march/
976933;1421224125;assbot;BitBet - Bitcoin to drop under 170$ before March :: 1.04 B (80%) on Yes, 0.26 B (20%) on No | closing in 1 month 15 hours | weight: 98`351 (100`000 to 10`000) ... ( http://bit.ly/14yuHlV )
976934;1421224239;davout;!t m x.eur
976935;1421224239;assbot;[MPEX:X.EUR] 1D: 0.0049251 / 0.00499595 / 0.00510443 (43 shares, 0.21 BTC), 7D: 0.00394588 / 0.00429282 / 0.00510443 (687 shares, 2.95 BTC), 30D: 0.00175233 / 0.00361007 / 0.00510443 (5755 shares, 20.78 BTC)
976936;1421224255;davout;to the moon woohoo
976937;1421224281;felipelalli;to the hell :(
976938;1421224340;mircea_popescu;lol
976939;1421224384;assbot;[MPEX] [FT] [X.EUR] 429 @ 0.00598263 = 2.5665 BTC [+]
976940;1421224418;punkman;;;tslb
976941;1421224424;gribble;Time since last block: 7 minutes and 34 seconds
976942;1421225154;cazalla;<fluffypony> I wonder when the suicide sticky is going to come back to Reddit <<< http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/2sdsjw/bitcoin_crash_alert_national_suicide_prevention/ that's a start
976943;1421225155;assbot;Bitcoin Crash Alert: National Suicide Prevention Lifeline 1-800-273-8255 : Bitcoin ... ( http://bit.ly/14yxj3g )
976944;1421225165;fluffypony;lol
976945;1421225187;fluffypony;"Thanks, needed this, Google was no help."
976946;1421225235;danielpbarron;Hey now if someone offs themselves then their coins are lost and everyone benefits. This is good for bitcoin. --reddit
976947;1421225242;fluffypony;Reddit only cares about 'Murkans
976948;1421225336;punkman;http://i.imgur.com/YJZm7Af.jpg
976949;1421225338;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/14yxI5K )
976950;1421225347;punkman;the waterfall!
976951;1421225389;mircea_popescu;poor dog
976952;1421225520;punkman;http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/2scbrh/a_dam_is_about_to_burst_there_must_be_a/cnoa2ra
976953;1421225521;assbot;A Dam is About to Burst.... There must be a reconciliation between the price and the total network hash rate. : Bitcoin ... ( http://bit.ly/14yy1xj )
976954;1421225592;fluffypony;mircea_popescu: it's in Bosnia
976955;1421225593;fluffypony;it survived
976956;1421225606;mircea_popescu;cool
976957;1421225754;mircea_popescu;tbh i think i read all my reddit for the current year over the qntra articles.
976958;1421226032;BingoBoingo;!up HeySteve
976959;1421226048;HeySteve;hi!
976960;1421226209;BingoBoingo;Hello
976961;1421226272;mircea_popescu;this being enough excitement for one night, i bid you all happy price halving day.
976962;1421226397;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 126446 @ 0.00049361 = 62.415 BTC [-] {7} 
976963;1421226519;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19350 @ 0.00047551 = 9.2011 BTC [-] {3} 
976964;1421226580;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 3100 @ 0.0005 = 1.55 BTC [-] {3} 
976965;1421226702;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 3952 @ 0.00049999 = 1.976 BTC [-]
976966;1421226885;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 2012 @ 0.00050005 = 1.0061 BTC [+] {3} 
976967;1421227120;davout;fluffypony: "it survived" <<< nice to know, i skimmed the imgur comments to find out, but didn't see
976968;1421227194;fluffypony;http://www.abc.ba/novost/25878/pogledajte-kako-je-strbacki-buk-zarobio-psa-foto
976969;1421227195;assbot;Pogledajte kako je Štrbački buk zarobio psa (FOTO) Info portal ABC.ba - Dnevne novosti iz Bihaća, Krajine i BiH ... ( http://bit.ly/14yCeBf )
976970;1421227198;fluffypony;that's the article
976971;1421228003;fluffypony;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c9zuSTOE2vk
976972;1421228005;assbot;English Accent Knives - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/14yEsR5 )
976973;1421228085;davout;fluffypony: i like mike strutter's better
976974;1421228144;davout;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L0noRU0WI84
976975;1421228145;assbot;Mike Strutter - Strutter Bubble [HQ] - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1u3BZud )
976976;1421228999;punkman;fluffypony: are the knives any good?
976977;1421229011;fluffypony;punkman: I have no idea
976978;1421229081;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 10000 @ 0.0005 = 5 BTC [+] {2} 
976979;1421229179;fluffypony;they do look rery, rery sharp
976980;1421229192;punkman;the drop test got me curious
976981;1421229203;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 10000 @ 0.00051107 = 5.1107 BTC [+] {5} 
976982;1421229264;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 2220 @ 0.00051111 = 1.1347 BTC [+] {3} 
976983;1421229265;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 17 @ 0.10735999 = 1.8251 BTC [-] {3} 
976984;1421229752;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 10 @ 0.1053 = 1.053 BTC [-]
976985;1421229813;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 1900 @ 0.00055 = 1.045 BTC [+]
976986;1421231549;BingoBoingo;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NdjKXlEEeR0
976987;1421231550;assbot;Matthew McConaughey and the Lincoln MKZ: Existential Crisis - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1APaWlT )
976988;1421233047;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31700 @ 0.00043589 = 13.8177 BTC [-]
976989;1421234694;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20000 @ 0.00043529 = 8.7058 BTC [-] {2} 
976990;1421235816;BingoBoingo;!up AaronvanW
976991;1421235828;BingoBoingo;Hello AaronvanW
976992;1421235835;AaronvanW;hi
976993;1421235850;BingoBoingo;Whar brings you around these parts
976994;1421235856;BingoBoingo;*What
976995;1421235866;AaronvanW;http://qntra.net/about/
976996;1421235866;assbot;Page not found | Qntra.net ... ( http://bit.ly/1FV0pv2 )
976997;1421236011;BingoBoingo;Cool
976998;1421236029;cazalla;found for me, what's up AaronvanW
976999;1421236188;AaronvanW;I like this http://qntra.net/2014/10/write-for-qntra-earn-equity-in-qntra/
977000;1421236188;assbot;Write For Qntra, Earn Equity In Qntra | Qntra.net ... ( http://bit.ly/1FV1JOq )
977001;1421236189;AaronvanW;I think
977002;1421236229;AaronvanW;I'll have to research it a bit more - but it sounds cool
977003;1421236395;BingoBoingo;Cool
977004;1421236753;BingoBoingo;!up Vexual
977005;1421236994;Vexual;;;later tell ben_vuples Are you listening to hard trance yet?
977006;1421236995;gribble;The operation succeeded.
977007;1421237107;Vexual;never have more than 0.9 GB, or you go bavk to 0.10
977008;1421237721;punkman;0.9 GB?
977009;1421237760;Vexual;one man can only have so many trance mp3a
977010;1421238146;Vexual;otherwise it get repetitive
977011;1421238300;Vexual;;;ticker
977012;1421238318;gribble;Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 190.76, Best ask: 190.77, Bid-ask spread: 0.01000, Last trade: 190.77, 24 hour volume: 95778.55288959, 24 hour low: 152.4, 24 hour high: 239.09, 24 hour vwap: 0
977013;1421238333;BingoBoingo;!up Vexual
977014;1421238336;BingoBoingo;!up AaronvanW
977015;1421238345;BingoBoingo;;;ticker --market all
977016;1421238349;BingoBoingo;!up aspho
977017;1421238383;aspho;Hi
977018;1421238385;gribble;Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 190.8, vol: 95788.54762692 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 188.636, vol: 52515.05552 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 193.0, vol: 228984.85338648 | CampBX BTCUSD last: 195.13, vol: 0 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 188.6766, vol: 286314.64060000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 184.10005, vol: 196.3086637 | Bitcoin-Central BTCUSD last: 193.9905, vol: 454.46776471 | Volume-weighted last average: (1 more message)
977019;1421238568;BingoBoingo;Hi aspho
977020;1421238719;aspho;Some good lulz these days :D
977021;1421238826;BingoBoingo;This bleeding is pretty fun
977022;1421238832;BingoBoingo;!up Quanttek
977023;1421238933;Vexual;13:2 happened again { kakobrekla
977024;1421238983;Vexual;at least it did in aussie dollars
977025;1421239359;Vexual;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SVvVxlup1JA
977026;1421239557;punkman;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=79qn8OfDWPQ
977027;1421239558;assbot;Vinicio Capossela : Lord Jim - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1wZpFGY )
977028;1421239910;Vexual;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OiTr78NQtl8
977029;1421240224;punkman;!up Vexual
977030;1421240359;Naphex;been a while since i've seen BUG Mafia linked lol
977031;1421240666;BingoBoingo;lol
977032;1421240916;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 3360 @ 0.00050088 = 1.683 BTC [-] {9} 
977033;1421241190;Vexual;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=naUDVTM0d5c
977034;1421241526;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11550 @ 0.00043548 = 5.0298 BTC [+]
977035;1421241550;BingoBoingo;;;ticker --market all
977036;1421241588;gribble;Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 188.21, vol: 97977.67031260 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 186.232, vol: 52709.99661 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 191.5, vol: 233464.76737682 | CampBX BTCUSD last: 199.79, vol: 0 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 186.136164, vol: 280310.42940000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 184.10005, vol: 184.99996398 | Bitcoin-Central BTCUSD last: 202.5128, vol: 461.23268408 | Volume-weighted last average: (1 more message)
977037;1421241594;Vexual;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N-QRw9Pl5WI
977038;1421241680;BingoBoingo;http://www.theatlantic.com/education/archive/2015/01/same-performance-better-grades/384447/
977039;1421241681;assbot;Same Performance, Better Grades - The Atlantic ... ( http://bit.ly/1u69c2D )
977040;1421241746;Vexual;high distinctions all around!
977041;1421241772;jurov;http://www.abc.ba/novost/25878/pogledajte-kako-je-strbacki-buk-zarobio-psa-foto << it says kako did it
977042;1421241774;assbot;Pogledajte kako je Štrbački buk zarobio psa (FOTO) Info portal ABC.ba - Dnevne novosti iz Bihaća, Krajine i BiH ... ( http://bit.ly/1u69oPj )
977043;1421241831;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 2555 @ 0.00049998 = 1.2774 BTC [-] {8} 
977044;1421241892;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 2568 @ 0.00049999 = 1.284 BTC [+] {10} 
977045;1421241921;Vexual;doesn't look phased at all, fucker can prolly swim to the top
977046;1421241941;BingoBoingo;jurov: Kako giveth, kako taketh away
977047;1421242032;Vexual;http://www.abc.ba/upload/images/gallery/foto/012015/strbackibukpaszarobljen/dccdd88f10aa714ac6f089db8d3f21dd.jpg {wait a minutes, its GIN!
977048;1421242297;BingoBoingo;!up Vexual
977049;1421242297;cazalla;!up Vexual
977050;1421242302;cazalla;scooped ya
977051;1421242465;BingoBoingo;lol
977052;1421242540;Vexual;so the press got some mana with all these frogs getting perforated
977053;1421242596;cazalla;Vexual, they did better than Sydney eh
977054;1421242785;cazalla;see that new one out today? isis kiddy put a couple in the head of two russian spies
977055;1421242821;cazalla;pew pew
977056;1421242834;Vexual;they're foing their own caricatures now?
977057;1421242881;Vexual;i didnt see it
977058;1421242948;Vexual;was one black ond one white?
977059;1421242964;cazalla;nah, it's asian looking boy or girl, can't tell
977060;1421243062;cazalla;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ycGqvmoNFs0
977061;1421243064;assbot;'Russian Spies' Executed by Child Soldier ISIS [18 +] ISIS Child Soldier Purportedly Executing 2 MEN - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1u3Z6F2 )
977062;1421243079;Vexual;http://atomictoasters.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/11/Spy.jpg
977063;1421243085;cazalla;i can tell this kid players a lot of counterstrike and grand theft auto, doesn't even hesitate, that xbox 360 controller reflex takes over
977064;1421243102;Naphex;looks like it
977065;1421243104;jurov;<cazalla> i will be until a scream comes over the baby monitor that someone is awake and demands lunch << do you know babies prosper in skin-contact with parent, not away on baby monitor?
977066;1421243109;Naphex;a bit of call of duty on it ass well
977067;1421243126;cazalla;Naphex, cod players would pussy out
977068;1421243130;Naphex;:))
977069;1421243145;Vexual;kickass
977070;1421243199;cazalla;jurov, are you suggesting i hold him while he sleeps or what?
977071;1421243255;jurov;idk, have it on your knees or such
977072;1421243276;cazalla;while asleep? you're nuts!
977073;1421243281;jurov;i did not mean to impose, just ask if you though about it
977074;1421243289;jurov;*thought
977075;1421243311;cazalla;but yeah i know about skin on skin, ensured bubs had that time with mummy after he was born and plenty with me this time last year given that it was summer
977076;1421243337;Vexual;fuck that cazalla, have the govt pay for childcare so you can play candycrush
977077;1421243375;cazalla;jurov, he sleeps in his cot, i'm not sitting here with him on my lap while he has a 2 or 3 hour lunch time nap
977078;1421243389;jurov;ok :)
977079;1421243403;cazalla;Vexual, i wouldn't send my dog to childcare, not that i have a dog anymore but you get my point
977080;1421243494;Vexual;im joking, im sure you're doing well
977081;1421243534;cazalla;it's the crying that sends my blood pressure up, pass him off to missus when that happens
977082;1421243574;cazalla;but then i cook all the meals, clean the house etc etc so you know, fair is fair
977083;1421243896;cazalla;still trying to teach him sign language but i find, espeically this past month in lead up to his 1 year birthday, he mimics non hand gestures far more, like i jump around the loungeroom doing monkey noises and he copies the monkey noises, blow rasperries, open and close mouth, copys it straight away now, hand signals not so much yet
977084;1421243913;Vexual;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SAuVNK3zQdU [ most played
977085;1421243954;Vexual;can it count?
977086;1421244069;Naphex;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VnvV1jSGKkA my most played
977087;1421244071;assbot;2 - Max Normal - Stay At Home - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1u40FTr )
977088;1421244071;cazalla;nope lol
977089;1421244076;cazalla;listening to jenny morris atm https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J9Vv880neBY
977090;1421244077;assbot;Jenny Morris - "Break In The Weather" 1991 - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1u40DuN )
977091;1421244079;cazalla;damn she has got old
977092;1421244170;cazalla;!up Vexual
977093;1421244296;cazalla;Vexual, remember this shit? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XdJYrkra0nk
977094;1421244298;assbot;Frente! - Accidently Kelly Street - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1u4148s )
977095;1421244430;cazalla;hory sheet IRL carmageddon http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=7be_1421205519
977096;1421244431;assbot;LiveLeak.com - The best driver in Asia ... ( http://bit.ly/1u41lrZ )
977097;1421244489;Vexual;omg its the dashcam killer
977098;1421244539;cazalla;gotta be higher than harlem to drive that bad
977099;1421244558;Vexual;bad day on bitstamp mayhaps
977100;1421244580;cazalla;Vexual, ya remember that other neighbours chick who had a hit song.. melissa something
977101;1421244595;Vexual;no, but i want it, bring her to me
977102;1421244611;cazalla;ah i found her! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Pl5txSyDYI
977103;1421244612;assbot;Melissa Tkautz - Read My Lips - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1u41EmJ )
977104;1421244632;Vexual;jenny morris goes well with dashcam killer tho
977105;1421244674;cazalla;thestringpuller, if ya like blonde aussie girls, Melissa Tkautz was the epitome of that back in the day
977106;1421244869;Naphex;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wrAxcUcO3u8 prolly one of the best hiphop albums, in 2000's :D
977107;1421244870;assbot;Max Normal - Songs From The Mall [Full Album] - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1u42ekn )
977108;1421244886;cazalla;another of her https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EWCiKbU0JB4 ignore the dudes, she was like 17 or 18 at the time of these vids
977109;1421244887;assbot;Melissa - Sexy (Is the Word) - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1u42fVr )
977110;1421245048;Vexual;back to back to back
977111;1421245171;cazalla;Vexual, prob get axed from aussie tv for doing this shit these days https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a4aNzXKxwLM
977112;1421245172;assbot;Con The Fruiterer  - A Cuppla Days (1989) - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1u42TlI )
977113;1421245220;Vexual;nah terorists just made free speech a total thing
977114;1421245263;cazalla;well there ya go, dw about the bitcoin price, just needs.. a cuppla days
977115;1421245300;Vexual;yah can buy an mpex account for a few kilos of tomatoes, limited time only
977116;1421245373;cazalla;got me own going, calling em shaqtus tomatoes on account they are like 7-8ft tall now (cherry tomatoes that is)
977117;1421245382;cazalla;the grosse lisse are like 5ft atm
977118;1421245390;Vexual;fcuk
977119;1421245402;cazalla;yeah the fcking things are monsters
977120;1421245421;Vexual;are the cherries fruiting yet?
977121;1421245458;cazalla;yeah both are
977122;1421245547;Vexual;you do a fair bit with 800 square metres you good old aussie you
977123;1421245552;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20495 @ 0.00043048 = 8.8227 BTC [-]
977124;1421245568;cazalla;don't even think we have that
977125;1421245730;cazalla;Vexual, fucking aussie backyard is dead didn't ya know
977126;1421245766;cazalla;the minute some old fuck dies around here, their house is torn down and 6 more managed to fit where it once stood
977127;1421245787;Vexual;well then, don't die
977128;1421245798;cazalla;so much concrete you'd think it was all greeks around here
977129;1421245851;Vexual;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ajeL87l3prM
977130;1421245872;cazalla;you like ur billy unks eh Vexual
977131;1421245888;Vexual;lol
977132;1421245909;Vexual;not really, just a statement on your town
977133;1421245914;Vexual;:)
977134;1421245928;cazalla;man i need to go on some rocky 6 montage
977135;1421245952;cazalla;no more booze, no more sweets
977136;1421245958;cazalla;back to gym and get back to it
977137;1421245973;cazalla;drums of war.. can hear em
977138;1421245983;cazalla;!up Vexual
977139;1421246028;cazalla;not on empty yet, heart still beats
977140;1421246141;Vexual;you're a bunks fan too
977141;1421246183;cazalla;not reary
977142;1421246286;Vexual;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UD_DuVtgydk
977143;1421246292;cazalla;i much prefer the magic dirt's, the spiderbaits, the rock bands with the female lead singers
977144;1421246299;cazalla;gotta be australian th ough
977145;1421246467;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 3368 @ 0.00052522 = 1.7689 BTC [+] {3} 
977146;1421246650;Vexual;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EItYM2TOAQA
977147;1421246745;kakobrekla;http://files.explosm.net/comics/Rob/othercheek.gif
977148;1421246746;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1u466Sz )
977149;1421246746;cazalla;saw them at bdo long time ago
977150;1421246796;cazalla;kakobrekla, obvious rip off from cat and buttered toast
977151;1421247178;kakobrekla;aha, scam.
977152;1421247931;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 3650 @ 0.00051 = 1.8615 BTC [-] {4} 
977153;1421248236;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 94450 @ 0.0004385 = 41.4163 BTC [+] {3} 
977154;1421248318;BingoBoingo;Nascar drama http://blackflag.jalopnik.com/kurt-buschs-ex-was-terrible-at-keeping-her-assassin-gig-1679384840
977155;1421248319;assbot;Testimony: Kurt Busch Ex Terrible At Keeping Assassin Gig On The Downlow ... ( http://bit.ly/1u49HQj )
977156;1421248321;BingoBoingo;!up Vexual
977157;1421248403;BingoBoingo;http://espn.go.com/racing/nascar/cup/story/_/id/12161197/kurt-busch-says-ex-girlfriend-patricia-driscoll-was-trained-assassin
977158;1421248405;assbot;Kurt Busch says ex-girlfriend, Patricia Driscoll, was trained assassin - ESPN ... ( http://bit.ly/1u49ZH9 )
977159;1421248614;cazalla;reads like the long kiss goodnight
977160;1421248787;BingoBoingo;Seriouly
977161;1421250095;thestringpuller;we haven't caused enough panic yet
977162;1421250124;Naphex;sky is falling, centralizied mining, going to 0, everything hacked
977163;1421250129;Naphex;bitcoin 2.0
977164;1421250143;Naphex;there.
977165;1421250157;cazalla;it's dead
977166;1421250171;thestringpuller;i love panic. the visual imagery of stock brokers running around a trade floor freaking out.
977167;1421250183;cazalla;do as i recommended redditors do and http://www2.b3ta.com/mind-control/
977168;1421250184;assbot;Mind Control Experiment by Rob Manuel [B3TA : WE LOVE THE WEB] ... ( http://bit.ly/1DFMDKB )
977169;1421250235;Naphex;cazalla, that only makes me want to play some counterstrike
977170;1421250238;Naphex;something is wrong
977171;1421250302;cazalla;!up Vexual
977172;1421250303;cazalla;he's back!
977173;1421250307;xanthyos;hi
977174;1421250318;cazalla;gimme a funky ass bassline Vexual
977175;1421250323;Vexual;heyo
977176;1421250501;kakobrekla;for the record, bits of proof, bop, .. total shit service, nobody replies to any mail, yet frontpage claims 'enterprise solutions' . go suck a cock.
977177;1421250559;Vexual;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4jNyr6BJZuI
977178;1421250615;cazalla;kakobrekla, ha no wonder http://cointerra.com/acquires-bits-of-proof/ http://qntra.net/2015/01/cointerra-goes-from-bad-to-worse/
977179;1421250617;assbot;CoinTerra acquires Bits of Proof Enterprise Software  ... ( http://bit.ly/1u6xJEX )
977180;1421250618;assbot;CoinTerra Goes From Bad To Worse | Qntra.net ... ( http://bit.ly/1u6xJVf )
977181;1421250635;cazalla;you're a cointerra customer!
977182;1421250657;kakobrekla;well tbh im not, just making a note since they arent in 'wot'.
977183;1421250723;jurov;kakobrekla heh guess who did the (ofted defunct) mytrezor.com stuff?
977184;1421250726;jurov;http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/2jms4y/why_does_mytrezor_keep_going_down/
977185;1421250728;assbot;Why does myTrezor keep going down? : Bitcoin ... ( http://bit.ly/1u6y627 )
977186;1421250756;thestringpuller;poor slush
977187;1421250774;cazalla;this has been another andreas recommendation.. trezor, the best!
977188;1421250780;kakobrekla;yeah i already bitched them about it and they are now doing their own open solution
977189;1421250909;Naphex;kako, you use a trezor? lol :)
977190;1421250935;kakobrekla;i bought half a dozen for new year presents
977191;1421250955;Vexual;thats a year of income :)
977192;1421250981;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 41199 @ 0.00044698 = 18.4151 BTC [+] {2} 
977193;1421251130;jurov;i bought one, not using it
977194;1421251142;Naphex;why'd you buy it?
977195;1421251157;Vexual;how are you expected yo use it?
977196;1421251159;jurov;obv i waned to use it
977197;1421251177;jurov;but i made rpi-based wallet in meantime and
977198;1421251196;jurov;myterazor.com sucks and i did not install electrum 2 yet
977199;1421251226;kakobrekla;its ok for nubs
977200;1421251236;cazalla;muhtreytreyzor.com nignog ver
977201;1421251534;kakobrekla;i think ascii had objection over trezor saying "not sure if its better than a web wallet"
977202;1421251554;kakobrekla;well one of the idiots that i gave trezor to still kept the coins on bitstamp until after the hack
977203;1421251556;kakobrekla;so yeah.
977204;1421251631;kakobrekla;at least i give em a fighting chance.
977205;1421251792;cazalla;why bother, i have this discussion with my brother many times, toss him rope to pull to safety yet determined to tie a noose and wrap around neck and yet cry save me yet again
977206;1421251960;kakobrekla;i dont know really
977207;1421251973;kakobrekla;my brothers are both 20 years+ younger than me
977208;1421251991;kakobrekla;cant really discuss anything with them!
977209;1421252042;cazalla;mine only 3 years younger, stuck with uni debt, parents demanded one of us be sacrificed upon altar of education, ha ha charade you are
977210;1421252044;mircea_popescu;wow srsly ?
977211;1421252071;mircea_popescu;kakobrekla i think if i had brothers that young i might have even liked 'em.
977212;1421252101;mircea_popescu;cazalla go to college earn more not so alive and well down under ?
977213;1421252114;cazalla;he did medicinal chemistry.. ended up making subway sammages haha
977214;1421252126;Vexual;verily, just not go and earn more is bigger
977215;1421252145;cazalla;!up Vexual
977216;1421252212;cazalla;prior to gfc, i would give him advice (to be fair, throw a dart and you would strike gold) on asx
977217;1421252258;cazalla;but then big fall out, he ignores me for 3 years despite my thinking i would die 2 years ago, continued to ignore me and as a result only finds bitcoin 6 months ago when we start talking again, now only has a few bitcoin to rub together, much satisifaction
977218;1421252272;mircea_popescu;what's gfc/asx ?
977219;1421252287;cazalla;global financial crisis and australia stock exchange
977220;1421252295;Vexual;about 3
977221;1421252298;mircea_popescu;o o
977222;1421252396;cazalla;fucking cunt, i extend olive branch and willing to accept blame for all things despite otherwise in case i did keel over and die, fucking cunt slapped my hand away, now pays for that
977223;1421252416;Vexual;hey, be nice to your mother
977224;1421252424;cazalla;to quote the matrix "Fate, it seems, is not without a sense of irony."
977225;1421252438;mircea_popescu;AaronvanW you're on the right path , at any rate. prolly start your research in the logs
977226;1421252495;mircea_popescu;cazalla eh, never "accept blame for all things desipite otherwise". it's the worst way to die.
977227;1421252543;mircea_popescu;jurov lol no fucking way, the stranded dog's name actually is kako ?!
977228;1421252544;cazalla;well at time, just buried a grand parent and figure i was next so willing to for parents sake at that time
977229;1421252598;cazalla;but what do you expect? you write a book on killing a rabbit, missus and i do a one liner.. "it's cute but gee, tastes good" eos
977230;1421252604;mircea_popescu;"Kako se ova drama = this drama. i r disappoint ;/
977231;1421252618;jurov;i was just making fun
977232;1421252656;mircea_popescu;cazalla date moar american womenz born after 1980, have moar problems.
977233;1421252685;cazalla;mine's a 70s
977234;1421252717;mircea_popescu;it's really shocking how stupid/clueless modern teenagers are as compared to what i used to fuck prior to the berlin wall falling. pretty much every basic point has to be re-established.
977235;1421252750;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 23 @ 0.11 = 2.53 BTC [+]
977236;1421252753;jurov;interesting. you were 8 when the wall fell, no?
977237;1421252771;mircea_popescu;jurov nah
977238;1421252838;xanthyos;hi
977239;1421252851;xanthyos;just bought .23ish so i could bring my balance of btc to nearly exactly pi
977240;1421252876;cazalla;xanthyos, hows ya cock
977241;1421252891;xanthyos;still has a thick undissolved stitch
977242;1421252893;xanthyos;inside
977243;1421252898;xanthyos;but the outside looks normal
977244;1421252918;xanthyos;pain can be ignored most of the time now
977245;1421252942;mircea_popescu;"stop fucking with it!"
977246;1421252942;cazalla;mircea_popescu, so i look at this collar me site but how do you gage whether these chicks are just a puppet for some guy who intends to stick you up later on
977247;1421252968;mircea_popescu;cazalla lol isn't that always the thing ?
977248;1421252991;xanthyos;honey traps
977249;1421253017;mircea_popescu;anyway, site's mostly a lulzpile, not really usable for its intended purpose.
977250;1421253079;mircea_popescu;assbot: 'Russian Spies' Executed by Child Soldier ISIS << all this meta-derpage. "o noes, some guys got shot, we must make slow motion of it! BIG DEAL OVER HERE!"
977251;1421253104;TomServo;that kid is going to be the best ninja ever
977252;1421253107;cazalla;can't help but think these dom women are actually subs and i'm gonna get ganked wow rogue stylez, pick pocketed and backstabbed
977253;1421253108;mircea_popescu;more people get shot on a daily basis than apply to fucking stanford. who does slow motion videos of his application process ?
977254;1421253138;mircea_popescu;TomServo turns out kid soldiers do best if they die pre pubescence. latr life doesn't really work out for them all that often.
977255;1421253163;mircea_popescu;sort-of like child actors, child millionaires, child prostitutes and all other manner of child-adultjob.
977256;1421253207;cazalla;like brock pierece eh, poor cunt ended up at the bitcoin foundation
977257;1421253230;TomServo;makes sense
977258;1421253231;mircea_popescu;cazalla while the actual domme is rare (most have a guy they sub to, publicly admitted or not) i dun imagine this is a very productive scamping model.
977259;1421253237;mircea_popescu;police eventually gotta figure i tout.
977260;1421253304;cazalla;yeah, always fancied myself a ripley but never found one, always turned out to be a burke who need instructions
977261;1421253307;mircea_popescu;(and amusingly enough, girls do a lot better at it than boys, for some reason).
977262;1421253359;mircea_popescu;cazalla there's actually a lot of demand for real/natural domme. which is part of what makes me chuckle at all the "oh, women are oppressed majority" talk.
977263;1421253382;mircea_popescu;you know it's all whalegab. i've yet to see a driven woman have trouble.
977264;1421253410;cazalla;my limited experience to date is that every woman needs instruction which defeats purpose of her being dominate to begin with
977265;1421253447;cazalla;in vino veritas eh or at least whiskey
977266;1421253488;mircea_popescu;the genuine article doth exist
977267;1421253502;mircea_popescu;usually penned for use by aging wall street execs and other limpydicks.
977268;1421253551;cazalla;well, that is not an issue for me, least not at this age
977269;1421253582;mircea_popescu;since viagra... nobody knows you're impotent anymoar lol
977270;1421253660;thestringpuller;mircea_popescu: cazalla date moar american womenz born after 1980 << God save you if you date one after 1990
977271;1421253663;thestringpuller;lol
977272;1421253694;cazalla;my 77', while useless in bed, is not as useless as a post 90's one
977273;1421253730;mircea_popescu;jurov: idk, have it on your knees or such << there can be too much of a good thing. overhandled children develop something that looks quite like autism.
977274;1421253748;mircea_popescu;cazalla they're fine, just need to get pegged.
977275;1421253765;cazalla;lol not my thing
977276;1421253765;mircea_popescu;like a grand old wine cask. once the thin surface of stupid's breached, it flows.
977277;1421253786;mircea_popescu;i meant it metaphorically... but i guess cane & freshly cut ginger's not the worst way to do it.
977278;1421253812;cazalla;i can't imagine anything worse than tears, whinging and crying over that
977279;1421253860;mircea_popescu;it passes.
977280;1421253863;mircea_popescu;course, not the thing to get into halfheartedly. definitely not.
977281;1421253878;jurov;i suppose it's different between parents rocking the children all the way to coma and just keeping them near
977282;1421253922;cazalla;jurov, he's always near, we're both always home, just the idea of holding him to sleep is far and beyond what he needs
977283;1421253962;mircea_popescu;jurov yeah, back in romania i had a pedo friend (kiddie doctor = pediatru in romanian, so obviously that's the joke) who mostly did mental health
977284;1421253968;cazalla;the sooner he can self instruct, play in the sandpit and fall out of the trees, the better
977285;1421253978;mircea_popescu;half the time he'd have to make the parents interact with the kid at least minimally,
977286;1421253988;mircea_popescu;he other half, stop therm from interacting over maximally.
977287;1421253993;mircea_popescu;that was pretty much his entire practice.
977288;1421254013;mircea_popescu;"you've not held him this month ?! of course it cries. please do."
977289;1421254030;mircea_popescu;"child's not been out of your arms since tues last ? please, set it down and leave the room."
977290;1421254041;mircea_popescu;somehow this becomes very polarized.
977291;1421254202;thestringpuller;lol helicopter parents
977292;1421254206;mircea_popescu;not clear why you'd need a guy spend 7 years in medical school to do basically old woman advice work, but hey, what sacrifice ain't worth it to get to live "in town".
977293;1421254273;cazalla;bezzle of course!
977294;1421254293;cazalla;place we took son to for his 1 year appt today with child care nurse
977295;1421254304;cazalla;they built these people a brand new centre, apparently old one was not good enough
977296;1421254313;cazalla;nurse so proud that she now has room with a view
977297;1421254334;cazalla;i bite my tongue and not say bitch, i can drive down the beach for a view at any hour of the day i please
977298;1421254352;mircea_popescu;lol
977299;1421254360;mircea_popescu;maybe she's not into camping ?
977300;1421254387;cazalla;don't need to camp at beach to enjoy it
977301;1421254388;mats;;;ticker
977302;1421254389;gribble;Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 188.1, Best ask: 188.21, Bid-ask spread: 0.11000, Last trade: 188.1, 24 hour volume: 106556.89602561, 24 hour low: 152.4, 24 hour high: 239.09, 24 hour vwap: 201.419106007
977303;1421254402;mats;;;t m
977304;1421254407;gribble;Error: This url is not on the whitelist.
977305;1421254426;mircea_popescu;cazalla but that's you speaking, and you're a camper. the other perspective's, "no roof = we're camping".
977306;1421254449;cazalla;and they of course is the gov which pays for the building, the land, the nurse's wage
977307;1421254461;mircea_popescu;it's nationalised in au ?!
977308;1421254466;cazalla;of course
977309;1421254470;mircea_popescu;nuts.
977310;1421254492;cazalla;private health care only gets you so far, you still have to (well not really, free
977311;1421254496;cazalla;* is free
977312;1421254510;cazalla;intertwine with the public health service for these things, afaik
977313;1421254519;cazalla;rather spend the cash on bitcoin tbh, let the tax payer cover this shit
977314;1421254559;cazalla;bad enough i am going to get raped at the dentist week after next
977315;1421254565;mircea_popescu;curious which country first has a populist candidate without much prospect that promises electorally he'll put a law in buy every citizen x bitcents off the public budget.
977316;1421254580;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25165 @ 0.00046724 = 11.7581 BTC [+]
977317;1421254607;cazalla;guess we'll find out soon enough
977318;1421254614;mircea_popescu;yeh
977319;1421254687;jurov;he'll make people to buy it themselves under "pension insurance" disguise
977320;1421254694;mircea_popescu;i dun recall if i recounted this, but i had the shock of all time here in argentina.
977321;1421254717;mircea_popescu;so i go to dentist, where one of the girls goes (she's had a bunch of root canals and other work done out of 100 bux)
977322;1421254735;mircea_popescu;girl examines me, and says... well... you're ok. some work in there but it's all fine, see you later.
977323;1421254747;mircea_popescu;this never happened to me before, go to a dentist he dun find something wrong ?!
977324;1421254754;cazalla;last root canal + crown cost me something like 2500 aud from memory
977325;1421254759;mircea_popescu;"no work for me here" ? i never heard that before.
977326;1421254796;cazalla;but all in one day, spiffy 3d printing type machine for the crown too, was pretty sweet how it cut away the block and made the crown fit perfect
977327;1421254807;mircea_popescu;ah that's nice.
977328;1421254848;mircea_popescu;problem with not so greatly fittign crowns being they can't cut the crown so usually have to cut the opposing teeth. not so great.
977329;1421254925;cazalla;well my old man tried to convince me to go to his dentist instead of the one i go to, root canal plus crown would've been 3 visits, cheaper overall but still who knows
977330;1421254962;cazalla;talking him up like he was whatley or something
977331;1421254987;mircea_popescu;whatley in sommerset ?!
977332;1421255000;cazalla;sienfeld
977333;1421255016;cazalla;wow, you really don't know your seinfeld afterall
977334;1421255028;mircea_popescu;oh lmao
977335;1421255041;mircea_popescu;maybe i'm just an anti-dentite.
977336;1421255078;TomServo;George also takes a pencil to the party because he thinks there will be a lot of dentists there and he wants to ask if they can compare the teeth marks on a pencil he found in the Jon Voight car to see if he really was the previous owner.
977337;1421255083;TomServo;lol George
977338;1421255091;cazalla;can i pick your brain for a moment on this sub/domme stuff on account that i am quite drunk?
977339;1421255113;mircea_popescu;sure ?
977340;1421255127;cazalla;it's not gay or anything is it lol
977341;1421255133;cazalla;i mean, i don't think so
977342;1421255133;mircea_popescu;TomServo that's the one where kramer got bit while molesting the real jon voight
977343;1421255148;mircea_popescu;cazalla generally gay is same gender.
977344;1421255172;mircea_popescu;but yes historically male gay pretty much meant leather which pretty much meant d/s stuff.
977345;1421255175;cazalla;TomServo, just driving around in john voight's car!
977346;1421255183;mircea_popescu;arguably this is no longer the case.
977347;1421255198;cazalla;so how do you actually find a domme woman who is legitimate and not just after money
977348;1421255204;mircea_popescu;...
977349;1421255208;cazalla;because that is what i am suspect of all of them
977350;1421255210;thestringpuller;seems like there is sub/domme in every sexual relationship.
977351;1421255219;mircea_popescu;you find the holy grail first. inside it, you tear aside the shrowd of turin
977352;1421255221;mircea_popescu;and there she is.
977353;1421255239;cazalla;now it might soun bizarre coming from me but my first sexual experience was with a woman who in hindsight, was a natural
977354;1421255248;ben_vulpes;how are we all in #bitcoin-pricetalk today?
977355;1421255248;cazalla;so that imprinting..
977356;1421255249;mircea_popescu;so find her an' pimp her.
977357;1421255260;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes read log, be amazed.
977358;1421255263;cazalla;i've looked but she seems to have disappear after all these years
977359;1421255272;mircea_popescu;cazalla someone found her lol.
977360;1421255281;ben_vulpes;lol cazalla can spot a natural domme on his first go?
977361;1421255291;mircea_popescu;only retrospectively.
977362;1421255308;cazalla;ben_vulpes, she slapped me about in front of friends.. keep in mind, only 13 at the time, she had no shame at all and clearly was sexually exciting for her
977363;1421255309;ben_vulpes;mm.
977364;1421255320;cazalla;and she did this to others too mind you
977365;1421255339;thestringpuller;good description cazalla love the imagery
977366;1421255340;mircea_popescu;the slut!
977367;1421255357;thestringpuller;ben_vulpes wishes lady v would slap him
977368;1421255365;thestringpuller;:D
977369;1421255469;cazalla;thestringpuller, well you know, what ya gonna do, actually do atheletics and swim at the atheletics and swimming carnival? i think not
977370;1421255483;mircea_popescu;lol
977371;1421255500;mircea_popescu;adolescents principally fuck at any sporty thing. of course. an' why not.
977372;1421255557;ben_vulpes;thestringpuller: oh i di?
977373;1421255571;mircea_popescu;they just take turns slapping the dog.
977374;1421255619;cazalla;thestringpuller is a softie i hear
977375;1421255627;cazalla;true love and all that :P
977376;1421255690;thestringpuller;YESSIR
977377;1421255724;ben_vulpes;dog and babe both respond well to arched eyebrows, very little by way of slappings necessary :D
977378;1421255743;mircea_popescu;didn't you have a peet ball ?
977379;1421255757;ben_vulpes;a hm now?
977380;1421255775;thestringpuller;cazalla: I also want to make sure future wife doesn't sell out all my secrets for quick buck.
977381;1421255801;cazalla;thestringpuller, you can avoid that by not telling her shit
977382;1421255808;thestringpuller;Wives who keep husbands secrets to the grave are honorable creatures in my book.
977383;1421255810;ben_vulpes;http://cdn02.cdn.justjared.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/05/peet-met/amanda-peet-fishnet-statement-at-met-ball-2014-05.jpg
977384;1421255811;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/14WGZpf )
977385;1421255822;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes pitbull yo.
977386;1421255836;ben_vulpes;oh yes
977387;1421255855;ben_vulpes;doesn't imply lots of slapping tho
977388;1421255862;mircea_popescu;cazalla yeah dude, totally, she does eight lines with you and your gangsta friends in a stolen truck mid bankrobbery
977389;1421255868;mircea_popescu;but as long as you ain't TELLING her nuttin...
977390;1421255883;cazalla;mine bakes cakes, does lamp working and cricut
977391;1421255888;thestringpuller;mircea_popescu gets it!
977392;1421255889;cazalla;wouldn't even know what a line is lol
977393;1421255904;ben_vulpes;real ride-or-die bitches is hard to come by.
977394;1421255916;mircea_popescu;i have one of those. i also have one that shoots people in the face. variety is always best!
977395;1421255923;thestringpuller;ben_vulpes: but thats the dream tho
977396;1421255941;ben_vulpes;lotto play, thestringpuller.
977397;1421255966;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes good women are made not found!
977398;1421255967;cazalla;i knew a guy who thought he had one of those types of women.. they actually did a rob a bank and you know who gave them all up?
977399;1421255988;mircea_popescu;cazalla his bff ?
977400;1421255998;thestringpuller;^^^
977401;1421256019;ben_vulpes;mircea_popescu: ya innit the truth
977402;1421256019;cazalla;the woman!
977403;1421256080;mircea_popescu;cazalla so is he in jail now ?
977404;1421256087;cazalla;nah, this is 20 years ago
977405;1421256096;mircea_popescu;did he turn gay ?
977406;1421256097;thestringpuller;http://imgur.com/OOOVsO3 << pretty good one
977407;1421256116;cazalla;i have nfi, i knew him through a now dead cousin
977408;1421256130;mircea_popescu;would be pretty cool that, "so how did you turn gay ?" "i had a woman, thought she was real, we hit a bank, she sold us out. no more for me."
977409;1421256132;ben_vulpes;mircea_popescu: this "no coins available at any price thing" is looking more and more realistic
977410;1421256140;cazalla;knew as in barely knew but go around telling people i knew at that age bcuz cool
977411;1421256141;thestringpuller;cazalla: you roll around with ghetto bastards with biscuits?
977412;1421256154;mircea_popescu;lol
977413;1421256156;thestringpuller;do you also rips is hard core like porno flick bitches?
977414;1421256184;cazalla;thestringpuller, i'm from the sticks and i told you before i was australia's biggest dealer of celeron 300A's
977415;1421256204;*;mircea_popescu wonders what counts of sticks in australia.
977416;1421256250;cazalla;back woods type shit
977417;1421256254;mircea_popescu;cazalla: the minute some old fuck dies around here, their house is torn down and 6 more managed to fit where it once stood << haha. same across teh bezzleworld. and they cost 10x each, and no inflation since 1929.
977418;1421256270;mircea_popescu;cazalla the joke was "australia is already the sticks itself,so..."
977419;1421256299;ben_vulpes;;;later tell vexual <Vexual> [] ;;later tell ben_vuples Are you listening to hard trance yet? << you gotta spell it right, bae
977420;1421256299;cazalla;well i'm blotto'd so you know, not too quick on the wit at 430am after drinking
977421;1421256299;gribble;Error: "" is not a valid command.
977422;1421256308;ben_vulpes;;;later tell vexual <Vexual> later tell ben_vuples Are you listening to hard trance yet? << you gotta spell it right, bae
977423;1421256309;gribble;The operation succeeded.
977424;1421256362;thestringpuller;the cure for a hang over is more drinking
977425;1421256484;mircea_popescu;so i don't get that nascar drama. ex-trophy blondie applies for no contact order against her ex. ex swears she's an assassin out to get him.
977426;1421256494;mircea_popescu;well... fine... so order granted then, why'd you want to be in contact ?!
977427;1421256572;thestringpuller;because she's good in the sack
977428;1421256578;mike_c;;;bc,stats
977429;1421256582;gribble;Current Blocks: 338942 | Current Difficulty: 4.397166205608958E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 340703 | Next Difficulty In: 1761 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 4 days, 17 hours, 45 minutes, and 36 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 39161925824.8 | Estimated Percent Change: -10.93826
977430;1421256652;ben_vulpes;!up Alrenous
977431;1421256679;danielpbarron;!up Alrenous
977432;1421256680;cazalla;the crazy ones eh thestringpuller :P
977433;1421256691;Alrenous;Oh, hi. What's up.
977434;1421256711;Alrenous;I"m supposed to have to ask for that. Thanks.
977435;1421256724;ben_vulpes;...
977436;1421256729;ben_vulpes;why did my gribble auth drop?
977437;1421256733;*;ben_vulpes grumps
977438;1421256738;ben_vulpes;asshat wot when
977439;1421256990;mircea_popescu;<ben_vulpes> doesn't imply lots of slapping tho << from what i hear the way to educate them is to place them in the door and slam the door on em. that way they chew on the door. rather than on your intestines, while you sleep.
977440;1421257017;ben_vulpes;lol you're in a mood today
977441;1421257030;mircea_popescu;lol
977442;1421257048;ben_vulpes;normally i just lock a lost burning man patriot in his kennel for breakfast
977443;1421257057;mircea_popescu;ahahaha
977444;1421257078;ben_vulpes;cheaper than kibble, and good for the local air flavor
977445;1421257079;mircea_popescu;i thought mostly women get lost at that thing.
977446;1421257100;TheNewDeal;Burning man patriot?
977447;1421257101;ben_vulpes;yeah but a dude who has his whole identity tied up in it - what is he after the party?
977448;1421257112;ben_vulpes;dogfood, i guess.
977449;1421257114;mircea_popescu;haha
977450;1421257126;ben_vulpes;and yes, this is a thing
977451;1421257143;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3201 @ 0.00045284 = 1.4495 BTC [-]
977452;1421257143;mircea_popescu;no, i know. pretty good shit.
977453;1421257149;mircea_popescu;all you gotta do is humor me!11
977454;1421257162;ben_vulpes;you can spot them by the hand-patched vests and "sports jackets" in combination with the furry tails carabeenered onto their belt loops
977455;1421257168;*;ben_vulpes saw a specimen at tango last night
977456;1421257179;mircea_popescu;you got tango in portland ?
977457;1421257184;mircea_popescu;does it come in a can ?
977458;1421257190;ben_vulpes;should i put it in scare quotes?
977459;1421257194;jurov;http://imgur.com/tWiC89v
977460;1421257195;assbot;                        Gorgeous Burning Man Patriot - Imgur ... ( http://bit.ly/14WNwjI )
977461;1421257207;mircea_popescu;tingo
977462;1421257227;mircea_popescu;jurov what's slovak for eyes of different color ?
977463;1421257232;TheNewDeal;Oooh not bad.
977464;1421257233;mircea_popescu;ceacira in romanian.
977465;1421257242;jurov;don't think we have a word for it
977466;1421257303;ben_vulpes;mircea_popescu: i can't speak as to the quality of instruction or the milongas, but there's some sort of hustle involving procuring dollars in portland during the rainy season down south and then going down south to dance for the other six months
977467;1421257312;jurov;heterochromia
977468;1421257326;mircea_popescu;jurov well latin sure.
977469;1421257337;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes i can see it.
977470;1421257340;jurov;i have found only that latin name
977471;1421257361;mircea_popescu;aite.
977472;1421257426;mircea_popescu;this comes from turkis, �akir. iirc bulgarian has it too.
977473;1421257429;ben_vulpes;(but hey, i'm enjoying the new instruction on flopping around with babes)
977474;1421257496;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes im sure they're fine. it's not like it's some sort of magical art. eight steps.
977475;1421257557;ben_vulpes;yeah.
977476;1421257577;ben_vulpes;p intuitive too like other floppings
977477;1421257591;mircea_popescu;"Meantime the camp was filling up with people, and there was a constantly growing excitement about our Humboldt mines. We fell victims to the epidemic and strained every nerve to acquire more "feet." We prospected and took up new claims, put "notices" on them and gave them grandiloquent names. We traded some of our "feet" for "feet" in other people's claims. In a little while we owned largely in the "Gray Eagle," the "
977478;1421257591;mircea_popescu;Columbiana," the "Branch Mint," the "Maria Jane," the "Universe," the "Root-Hog-or- Die," the "Samson and Delilah," the "Treasure Trove," the "Golconda," the "Sultana," the "Boomerang," the "Great Republic," the "Grand Mogul," and fifty other "mines" that had never been molested by a shovel or scratched with a pick. We had not less than thirty thousand "feet" apiece in the "richest mines on earth" as the frenzied cant
977479;1421257592;mircea_popescu;phrased it�and were in debt to the butcher. We were stark mad with excitement�drunk with happiness�smothered under mountains of prospective wealth�arrogantly compassionate toward the plodding millions who knew not our marvellous canyon�but our credit was not good at the grocer's."
977480;1421257599;mircea_popescu;check it out, twain knows of bitcoin!
977481;1421257660;mircea_popescu;"It was the strangest phase of life one can imagine. It was a beggars' revel. There was nothing doing in the district�no mining�no milling�no productive effort�no income�and not enough money in the entire camp to buy a corner lot in an eastern village, hardly; and yet a stranger would have supposed he was walking among bloated millionaires. Prospecting parties swarmed out of town with the first flush of dawn,
977482;1421257661;mircea_popescu; and swarmed in again at nightfall laden with spoil�rocks. Nothing but rocks. Every man's pockets were full of them; the floor of his cabin was littered with them; they were disposed in labeled rows on his shelves."
977483;1421257667;TheNewDeal;and maria jane
977484;1421257685;mircea_popescu;sounds like a good deal,that one huh.
977485;1421257735;mircea_popescu;"frenzied cant" is particularly apt. if only these people living in the mid 1800s had had reddit to revolutionize their thing for them
977486;1421257742;mircea_popescu;everything'd have been exactly the same,
977487;1421257744;mircea_popescu;o.O
977488;1421257797;mircea_popescu;"I met men at every turn who owned from one thousand to thirty thousand "feet" in undeveloped silver mines, every single foot of which they believed would shortly be worth from fifty to a thousand dollars�and as often as any other way they were men who had not twenty-five dollars in the world. Every man you met had his new mine to boast of, and his "specimens" ready; and if the opportunity offered, he would infallibl
977489;1421257798;mircea_popescu;y back you into a corner and offer as a favor to you, not to him, to part with just a few feet in the "Golden Age," or the "Sarah Jane," or some other unknown stack of croppings, for money enough to get a "square meal" with, as the phrase went. And you were never to reveal that he had made you the offer at such a ruinous price, for it was only out of friendship for you that he was willing to make the sacrifice."
977490;1421257810;ben_vulpes;reading that clements book of tall tales?
977491;1421257811;mircea_popescu;then roger ver doesn't get accepted back into the us. i tell you...
977492;1421257821;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes roughing it. great bitcoin companion.
977493;1421257837;mircea_popescu;ima try and prevail upon asciilifeform to include selections in his bitcoin book to come.
977494;1421257859;ben_vulpes;it's a fun one
977495;1421257872;ben_vulpes;<TheNewDeal> and maria jane << not really back then. kinda like khat if i understand things.
977496;1421257883;ben_vulpes;<mircea_popescu> ben_vulpes read log, be amazed. << /me is not amazed
977497;1421257903;mircea_popescu;well, we were just discussing dommes and such.
977498;1421257920;ben_vulpes;<mircea_popescu> [] this never happened to me before, go to a dentist he dun find something wrong ?! << so i should get my teeth done right before flying home. got it!
977499;1421257929;ben_vulpes;hey fun fact
977500;1421257933;mircea_popescu;sure.
977501;1421257942;ben_vulpes;tax deductible "health savings account" can be spent abroad with no penalties.
977502;1421257952;mircea_popescu;ahahaah what
977503;1421257959;ben_vulpes;yup.
977504;1421257964;ben_vulpes;nominally.
977505;1421257967;mircea_popescu;who the fuck came up with that one.
977506;1421257983;ben_vulpes;clearly a case of the people with money fucking people without.
977507;1421257984;ben_vulpes;again.
977508;1421257987;ben_vulpes;as always.
977509;1421257997;mircea_popescu;heh.
977510;1421258002;mircea_popescu;i dunno what money you need for this.
977511;1421258008;ben_vulpes;"yes please put retarded rules in place" /me finds best loopholes
977512;1421258011;mircea_popescu;more like "people on b-a fucking people on reddit. as always"
977513;1421258030;ben_vulpes;well one's gotta be able and willing and planning to go elsewhere for the scam to make sense.
977514;1421258031;TheNewDeal;Seriously? Like on otc pills that would be preacriptions in usia?
977515;1421258035;mircea_popescu;otherwise, airfare is in the range of 1k, which immediately means...
977516;1421258063;ben_vulpes;TheNewDeal: i don't know how prescriptions play into hsa
977517;1421258066;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes exactly. one is supposed to be using gpg instead of 2fa. not a matter of money. a matter of not bering the retarded son of a stupid mother.
977518;1421258091;mircea_popescu;TheNewDeal if that's the case my mind just boggled.
977519;1421258105;mircea_popescu;wonder how the system's not leaking a trillion a year.
977520;1421258165;TheNewDeal;Hsa is like the godsend in the era of abominable obamacare
977521;1421258192;TheNewDeal;I can put income in pretax, and invest it
977522;1421258198;mircea_popescu;i still can't grok why the man'd have put his name on it.
977523;1421258212;mircea_popescu;pretty much sure ticket to being remembered forever as "that black president that killed babies and old people"
977524;1421258232;ben_vulpes;TheNewDeal: yeah but it's like 3k/y
977525;1421258240;TheNewDeal;Hopefully people will say bad things about him too
977526;1421258247;ben_vulpes;and you only get to spend it on health shit
977527;1421258282;TheNewDeal;Regardless. Im a beggar and not a chooser when it comes to favorable tax incentives
977528;1421258366;Alrenous;mircea_popescu: seems like another case of democracy rewarding the sacrifice of the long term to the short. Odds are his handlers made the call anyway, not him personally.
977529;1421258424;TheNewDeal;Hsa is the only long term option. You save your own money, you spend it
977530;1421258438;mircea_popescu;Alrenous riddle me this : what exactly compels a president to honor "his handlers" ?
977531;1421258440;TheNewDeal;All others are short term socialist constructs
977532;1421258467;Alrenous;mircea_popescu: Your guess is as good as mine.
977533;1421258495;ben_vulpes;TheNewDeal: since you can only deduct medical expenses over 10% of your income i think it makes more sense to just burn the hsa down each year
977534;1421258497;TheNewDeal;!Up alrenous
977535;1421258502;ben_vulpes;is this stupid?
977536;1421258526;mircea_popescu;it's safer to burn any dollar-denominated anything each year if you get the chance.
977537;1421258547;ben_vulpes;my notion of the thing is predicated on the stock market not really keeping up with inflation, and wanting to get the most "oomph" out of my health dollars.
977538;1421258553;ben_vulpes;mircea_popescu: right.
977539;1421258558;mircea_popescu;nominally, the dollar was 1 peso 15 years ago, and now it's 14. however, the services that were ten pesos then are two hundred now.
977540;1421258561;TheNewDeal;I had a very expensive hospital visit the other year and was glad to have saved up
977541;1421258586;ben_vulpes;sure if you don't have the need for services, save it. i get that.
977542;1421258612;ben_vulpes;i expect to be racking up 10s of thousands if not hundreds over the next 5 years tho.
977543;1421258619;TheNewDeal;Or if youre confortable with your health savings account, invest elsewhere
977544;1421259643;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 253 @ 0.00657864 = 1.6644 BTC [+] {3} 
977545;1421259982;mike_c;^ gee, the btc hedge is doing not-bad.
977546;1421260010;mike_c;not as well as fiat though.
977547;1421260371;kakobrekla;fiat ftw
977548;1421260482;jurov;depends which. preferably not euro or even czech crown :)
977549;1421260505;kakobrekla;ill take even rub.
977550;1421260559;jurov;yes, rub is good. backed by testosterone
977551;1421260620;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5803 @ 0.00044497 = 2.5822 BTC [-]
977552;1421260918;mircea_popescu;is this some novel porn talk ?
977553;1421261267;jurov;that's fiat porn
977554;1421261349;mircea_popescu;lol
977555;1421261799;mats;http://www.leparisien.fr/faits-divers/le-patron-du-raid-et-des-gipn-coulibaly-ne-souhaitait-pas-negocier-13-01-2015-4442355.php re: half assed raid on kosher shop
977556;1421261801;assbot;Le patron du Raid et des GIPN : «Coulibaly ne souhaitait pas négocier» ... ( http://bit.ly/1sySkGu )
977557;1421261978;mats;'we fucked up and are lucky all the hostages aren't dead'
977558;1421262038;felipelalli;cazalla: please write something about this price crash. Do you have privileged information?
977559;1421262045;mats;lol
977560;1421262113;felipelalli;maybe he is busy working on this article :)
977561;1421262449;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20400 @ 0.00045232 = 9.2273 BTC [+]
977562;1421262545;TheNewDeal;;;Market
977563;1421262545;gribble;Error: "Market" is not a valid command.
977564;1421262564;TheNewDeal;Been out of the ba game fore too long
977565;1421262569;TheNewDeal;;;Ticker
977566;1421262570;gribble;Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 181.04, Best ask: 181.54, Bid-ask spread: 0.50000, Last trade: 181.54, 24 hour volume: 117062.19720299, 24 hour low: 152.4, 24 hour high: 239.09, 24 hour vwap: 198.269565911
977567;1421262580;xanthyos;https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B7VNkaQIcAAvqt-.jpg
977568;1421262581;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1syVc61 )
977569;1421262623;mircea_popescu;"All agreed that a camp fire was what would come nearest to saving us, now, and so we set about building it. We could find no matches, and so we tried to make shift with the pistols. Not a man in the party had ever tried to do such a thing before, but not a man in the party doubted that it could be done, and without any trouble�because every man in the party had read about it in books many a time and had naturally co
977570;1421262623;mircea_popescu;me to believe it, with trusting simplicity, just as he had long ago accepted and believed that other common book-fraud about Indians and lost hunters making a fire by rubbing two dry sticks together."
977571;1421262625;mircea_popescu;heh
977572;1421262661;thestringpuller;ben_vulpes: docker is nuts. i hope they make it.
977573;1421262835;thestringpuller;YES
977574;1421262838;thestringpuller;181
977575;1421262847;thestringpuller;moar panic plz
977576;1421262854;thestringpuller;Give us all your coinz
977577;1421263020;mircea_popescu;shhh
977578;1421263027;mircea_popescu;don't bother the community
977579;1421263031;mircea_popescu;it's driving adoption.
977580;1421263195;thestringpuller;cazalla: http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/2sdwf8/butterfly_labs_is_the_culprit/ << do you think there is any truth to this theory?
977581;1421263218;thestringpuller;the BFL has been forced to refund?
977582;1421263219;thestringpuller;that*
977583;1421263242;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 55400 @ 0.00044497 = 24.6513 BTC [-]
977584;1421263260;mircea_popescu;lol
977585;1421263271;mircea_popescu;everything and anything, eh ? what's next, pirate ?
977586;1421263287;mircea_popescu;not like bfl's been dead for a year or anything.
977587;1421263395;mircea_popescu;thestringpuller feel free to tell em for me that if "the community" doesn't like the proximate results of Gavin "innovating", tough. The time to suck cock was the 12th.
977588;1421263758;ben_vulpes;thestringpuller: it has its uses
977589;1421264176;thestringpuller;ben_vulpes: well it's great for shipping (no pun intended)
977590;1421264285;thestringpuller;mircea_popescu: i text a friend of mine, "That's (referring to owning technology without paying for it), even worse! You want nice things without paying for them!" And he responds, "the world needs nice things wihtout paying for them."
977591;1421264303;thestringpuller;trolling me to perfection
977592;1421264454;mircea_popescu;derp
977593;1421264473;mircea_popescu;what "the world needs" is a criterion nao.
977594;1421264512;davout;greetings gentlemen
977595;1421264521;mircea_popescu;ello charlie
977596;1421264560;thestringpuller;mircea_popescu: but people want equality!
977597;1421264560;davout;mircea_popescu: in france the waldo (from "where is waldo") character is named charlie too
977598;1421264570;mircea_popescu;o
977599;1421264596;thestringpuller;davout: you'll develop a taste for it << i can see this for coffee and beer but not ruby
977600;1421264597;davout;the recent protest aerial photographs was a nice source of waldo jokes
977601;1421264646;davout;thestringpuller: guess you'll have to fallback to "on s'habitue à tout" = "one can get used to anything"
977602;1421264693;davout;jurov: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=14-01-2015#977197 <<< what's an rpi based wallet?
977603;1421264735;TheNewDeal;Anyone have a spare 2.5 million bezzlers I can borrow?
977604;1421264740;davout;mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=14-01-2015#977246 <<< i was wondering about whether these profiles were legit as well
977605;1421264792;Adlai;buttfinex latency >10x normal levels
977606;1421264811;kakobrekla;im doing updates so i broke it prolly
977607;1421264812;jurov;;;goxlag
977608;1421264813;gribble;Error: "goxlag" is not a valid command.
977609;1421264815;davout;browsed around "collarspace" related sites for a bit, there's some pretty interesting stuff in the whole d/s thing
977610;1421264859;davout;some stuff that sounds pretty pathetic too, like this pay pig thing i had never heard about
977611;1421264891;davout;caaz
977612;1421264900;davout;cazalla: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=14-01-2015#977284 <<< my approach too :D
977613;1421265014;kakobrekla;davout> cazalla: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=14-01-2015#977284 <<< my approach too :D
977614;1421265014;assbot;Logged on 14-01-2015 16:46:08; cazalla: the sooner he can self instruct, play in the sandpit and fall out of the trees, the better
977615;1421265134;mircea_popescu;since scoopbot's dead apparently, http://trilema.com/2015/bitcoin-circa-1800/
977616;1421265135;assbot;Bitcoin, circa 1800 pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.  ... ( http://bit.ly/1xZN9Qr )
977617;1421265135;*;TomServo looks out for the hamburgler.
977618;1421265171;mod6;awe, was just about to place an order for a two cheeseburgers, a large fry and a coke.
977619;1421265211;mircea_popescu;mod6 make that a salad, we're poor now.
977620;1421265224;mod6;those are more expensive. lol
977621;1421265265;danielpbarron;Washing machines that order their own soap ... first true practical use of cryptocurrency besides drugs! --bitcointalk https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=924725.msg10152645#msg10152645
977622;1421265265;assbot;So it looks like IBM is going to use Ethereum ... ( http://bit.ly/1xZNqCL )
977623;1421265276;mod6;of course they are. morons.
977624;1421265308;mircea_popescu;lmao
977625;1421265317;mircea_popescu;STILL with the "first best greatest" ?
977626;1421265780;hanbot;mircea_popescu the "Golcoinda," << i lolled
977627;1421266558;thestringpuller;"fridges that order food only from sources that use approved GMO technology from Monsanto"
977628;1421266774;mircea_popescu;"let's make our living room more like the airport"
977629;1421266815;[]bot;Bet created: "The Winkdex: BTC $5000 or more in 2015" http://bitbet.us/bet/1104/
977630;1421267111;dub;winklevii outreach via buttbet?
977631;1421267198;[]bot;Bet placed: 5 BTC for Yes on "The Winkdex: BTC $5000 or more in 2015" http://bitbet.us/bet/1104/ Odds: 98(Y):2(N) by coin, 98(Y):2(N) by weight. Total bet: 5.1 BTC. Current weight: 99,999.
977632;1421267898;kakobrekla;>A man of 20 was jailed in Orleans for shouting "long live the Kalash[(nikov]" at police in a shopping centre
977633;1421267906;kakobrekla;http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-30811401
977634;1421267907;assbot;BBC News - Paris attacks: Dieudonne held as France tackles hate speech ... ( http://bit.ly/14ASSjE )
977635;1421267928;kakobrekla;in France, this.
977636;1421267999;dub;thats awesome
977637;1421268140;dub;oui oui will defend the freedom of expression with our lives. Condoning terrorism! off with your head
977638;1421268218;davout;free speech is kindof a joke in france...
977639;1421268232;kakobrekla;shut up!
977640;1421268242;davout;toi-même
977641;1421268279;davout;"you're totally free to say what you want, except for this, this, this and this. also you need to be nice to others"
977642;1421268289;dub;basically jews
977643;1421268303;dub;you can talk about anythign but jews
977644;1421268336;davout;hm?
977645;1421268341;kakobrekla;and niggers afaik ?
977646;1421268354;dub;Prime Minister Manuel Valls saying that freedom of speech should not be confused with anti-Semitism, racism and Holocaust denial.
977647;1421268365;dub;free !jew speach
977648;1421268369;dub;speech
977649;1421268420;davout;the case kako was reporting about doesn't seem to have anything to do with jews
977650;1421268507;davout;anyway, my point is that you either have free speech or don't, see the "just a little pregnant" bit earlier
977651;1421268519;davout;there's no free-speech-but
977652;1421268525;dub;i pasted a quote from the article
977653;1421268540;dub;where your prime minister says exactly that
977654;1421268628;davout;anti-semitism falls in the racism bucket, in france you can get in trouble for saying "burn the jews", and you can get in trouble for saying "burn the niggers"
977655;1421268664;*;dub doesn't fully understand there is a separate bucket
977656;1421268670;dub;why*
977657;1421268812;thestringpuller;davout: it's like a smaller fork!
977658;1421268855;davout;i guess that anti-semitism was seen as more of a problem when the law was made
977659;1421268969;dub;well again from the article, mocking dead people, agreeing with other people and appreciating soviet weaponry is off limits too
977660;1421269005;davout;we also have this part that says you're not permitted to deny the existence of genocides, the holocaust etc.
977661;1421269008;fluffypony;everyone needs a bucket
977662;1421269026;davout;yea, it's nuts
977663;1421269085;dub;thats an interesting one for france given cambodia
977664;1421269129;davout;thank god we already know the earth is spheric
977665;1421269190;davout;my serenissima passport won't come too early
977666;1421269224;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33777 @ 0.00045196 = 15.2659 BTC [+] {2} 
977667;1421269272;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33777 @ 0.00045196 = 15.2659 BTC [+] {2} 
977668;1421269394;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5621 @ 0.00046724 = 2.6264 BTC [+]
977669;1421269407;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5621 @ 0.00046724 = 2.6264 BTC [+]
977670;1421269577;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 44573 @ 0.00045611 = 20.3302 BTC [-]
977671;1421269590;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 44573 @ 0.00045611 = 20.3302 BTC [-]
977672;1421269760;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 6683 @ 0.0005124 = 3.4244 BTC [-] {8} 
977673;1421269773;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 6233 @ 0.00051127 = 3.1867 BTC [-] {7} 
977674;1421270572;TheNewDeal;Davout "Earth is spheric" - gassenwagen for you
977675;1421270797;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14724 @ 0.00044497 = 6.5517 BTC [-]
977676;1421270810;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14724 @ 0.00044497 = 6.5517 BTC [-]
977677;1421273023;ben_vulpes;thestringpuller: one of my favorite things about containerization is the ability to upgrade running production services with a minimum of hassle.
977678;1421273093;ben_vulpes;for instance, i've got a client who (for some silly reasons) basically needs to throw out their Solr index on a daily basis. the approach to date has been to drop the index at a low-traffic time, rebuild, and hope nobody notices. with docker, we can boot a new container, index into it, and then when the indexing is complete, shut the old solr container down and boot the new solr container.
977679;1421273099;ben_vulpes;(on the old solr container's port)
977680;1421273237;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21850 @ 0.00044357 = 9.692 BTC [-] {2} 
977681;1421273250;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21850 @ 0.00044357 = 9.692 BTC [-] {2} 
977682;1421273376;thestringpuller;can't you upgrade the container without having to even truly rebuild container from image?
977683;1421273381;thestringpuller;just give it dockerfile with updates
977684;1421273906;davout;ben_vulpes: "needs to throw out their Solr index on a daily basis" <<< nasty
977685;1421273952;ben_vulpes;davout: tell me about it
977686;1421273971;davout;ben_vulpes: sure, that'll be 250$/h
977687;1421273973;ben_vulpes;thestringpuller: thing is, solr is very stateful inside.
977688;1421273980;ben_vulpes;davout: pretty much.
977689;1421274009;ben_vulpes;"hey client, you have two options: either you get lotsa search downtime over the next week while i figure this out, or i write a zero downtime solr cutover thinger for ya."
977690;1421274013;ben_vulpes;software
977691;1421274015;ben_vulpes;BIG MISTAKE
977692;1421274045;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27200 @ 0.00044096 = 11.9941 BTC [-]
977693;1421274091;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27200 @ 0.00044096 = 11.9941 BTC [-]
977694;1421274375;thestringpuller;ben_vulpes: well I"m thinking of using docker to deploy gpg server stuffs
977695;1421274386;thestringpuller;really wish I had a cardano
977696;1421274399;*;thestringpuller glances briefly at asciilifeform 
977697;1421274717;davout;thestringpuller: i can't think of a purpose for which docker-based deploys would be equivalent to a cardano based setup
977698;1421274739;davout;equivalent is prolly the wrong word here
977699;1421274775;[]bot;Bet placed: 1 BTC for No on "The Winkdex: BTC $5000 or more in 2015" http://bitbet.us/bet/1104/ Odds: 82(Y):18(N) by coin, 82(Y):18(N) by weight. Total bet: 6.134 BTC. Current weight: 99,972.
977700;1421275034;mats;yeah wha? gonna send the cardano to the dc?
977701;1421275271;[]bot;Bet placed: 9 BTC for No on "The Winkdex: BTC $5000 or more in 2015" http://bitbet.us/bet/1104/ Odds: 33(Y):67(N) by coin, 33(Y):67(N) by weight. Total bet: 15.134 BTC. Current weight: 99,970.
977702;1421275393;mod6;wonder what $MAX_PAIN will be set to before Fucky McFuckstick ends this charade.
977703;1421275403;thestringpuller;XD
977704;1421275406;thestringpuller;too much
977705;1421275408;thestringpuller;perl
977706;1421275433;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 69660 @ 0.00044087 = 30.711 BTC [-] {2} 
977707;1421275443;thestringpuller;davout: i'm running docker on local machines and want a cardano to hold certain application keys. plug that up to one of the docker servers. relatively easy airgap
977708;1421275448;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 69660 @ 0.00044087 = 30.711 BTC [-] {2} 
977709;1421275454;mod6;;;ticker
977710;1421275456;gribble;Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 168.0, Best ask: 169.96, Bid-ask spread: 1.96000, Last trade: 169.96, 24 hour volume: 123479.60147081, 24 hour low: 152.4, 24 hour high: 230.89, 24 hour vwap: 193.627757354
977711;1421275457;thestringpuller;could do same with old laptop, but cardano is cheaper, and probably more reliable than my handy work
977712;1421276162;ben_vulpes;daaang.
977713;1421276167;ben_vulpes;war coins, y'all.
977714;1421276189;*;ben_vulpes buys all the way down
977715;1421276190;thestringpuller;If bitpay didn't shutdown their atm I'd buy more
977716;1421276206;thestringpuller;also if ATMs didn't require a fucking PALM PRINT to identify you
977717;1421276216;mod6;yeah fts
977718;1421276227;ben_vulpes;fucking love it
977719;1421276235;thestringpuller;funny i have to buy btc in person and slip people money under doors and shit
977720;1421276248;thestringpuller;d00d btc is gonna be pretty much drug dealing in the future
977721;1421276248;ben_vulpes;"yes i'd be happy to give you all of my deets for my untraceable digicash..."
977722;1421276257;ben_vulpes;thestringpuller: going to be?
977723;1421276259;Adlai;there's a lamassu at http://bitembassy.org/ that requires a QR code and cash. that's it.
977724;1421276261;assbot;Bitembassy TLV | שגרירות הביטקוין ... ( http://bit.ly/1Cn6pH8 )
977725;1421276280;thestringpuller;well when I did my last trade I counted the money and stuff in front of the guy and checked the bills and shit in public
977726;1421276296;thestringpuller;that would be a rather conspicuous drug deal
977727;1421276332;Adlai;http://www.bitembassy.org/wp-content/uploads/photo-gallery/IMG_8275.jpg
977728;1421276335;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1Cn6L0r )
977729;1421276420;thestringpuller;too bad it isn't feasible for me to pilgrimage for bitcoins :P
977730;1421276425;thestringpuller;but thanks Adlai
977731;1421276460;Adlai;we should slap a QR code at the <holy site>
977732;1421276485;Adlai;people will start leaving qr codes in the wailing wall, instead of prayers
977733;1421276784;cazalla;felipelalli: cazalla: please write something about this price crash. Do you have privileged information? <<< it was bane
977734;1421276965;thestringpuller;didn't know they had christopher nolan movies in australia jkjk
977735;1421278491;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: since viagra... nobody knows you're impotent anymoar lol << The truly old sill use caverject
977736;1421278853;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: so i don't get that nascar drama. ex-trophy blondie applies for no contact order against her ex. ex swears she's an assassin out to get him. << Basically except... the assasin part seems... credible...
977737;1421279230;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 3139 @ 0.00051129 = 1.6049 BTC [+] {4} 
977738;1421279276;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 3085 @ 0.0005113 = 1.5774 BTC [+]
977739;1421279474;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23994 @ 0.00043382 = 10.4091 BTC [-] {2} 
977740;1421279520;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 73100 @ 0.00043126 = 31.5251 BTC [-] {3} 
977741;1421279535;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 49106 @ 0.00043001 = 21.1161 BTC [-]
977742;1421279811;mircea_popescu;<kakobrekla> in France, this. << top kek
977743;1421279872;mircea_popescu;<davout> the case kako was reporting about doesn't seem to have anything to do with jews <<< you don't see it because nose! it's a gentile^H^H^H^H redneck thing dub's on about. *we* understand.
977744;1421279901;mircea_popescu;<dub> why* << they use really tiny instruments.
977745;1421280014;mircea_popescu;dub: thats an interesting one for france given cambodia << ahahahaha
977746;1421280018;mircea_popescu;ok best log
977747;1421280081;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes: for instance, i've got a client who (for some silly reasons) basically needs to throw out their Solr index on a daily basis.  << you know, a tool that empowers you to do sometyhing stupid is not a powerful tool.
977748;1421280086;mircea_popescu;it just seems like one. to you.
977749;1421280191;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 78900 @ 0.0004229 = 33.3668 BTC [-] {2} 
977750;1421280203;mircea_popescu;dub: winklevii outreach via buttbet? << capn' Talism yo. one pays, one can name his terms.
977751;1421280206;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 78900 @ 0.0004229 = 33.3668 BTC [-] {2} 
977752;1421280292;mircea_popescu;thestringpuller: If bitpay didn't shutdown their atm I'd buy more << this lulz is so lulzy to me.
977753;1421280671;asciilifeform;useful-things-announcement: a fairly civilized router, turns out, is one 'edgerouter lite' - 3 gigabit ports. mips64 processor with fairly good docs. nuke the vendor's turdware and install *bsd of your choice. the interesting thing about this gadget is that the firmware lives on an (internal) removable usb stick. can pull, examine, modify on standard comp, even theoretically install read-only unit.
977754;1421280697;asciilifeform;getting fairly good performance on one of these with freebsd 10.
977755;1421280715;mircea_popescu;you actually verified it has no 2nd brain this thing ?
977756;1421280731;asciilifeform;in the electron microscope sense? nein
977757;1421280740;asciilifeform;it does come with a vendor turd os
977758;1421280740;mircea_popescu;in the pcb sense
977759;1421280776;asciilifeform;it has the cpu (really a soc), four drams, and a bunch of passives.
977760;1421280779;mircea_popescu;i'm going through a phase atm something like "fuck this shit, i need a non-pc router like i need an ipad."
977761;1421280901;*;asciilifeform assumes his isp is the mitm vector of choice, and hence does not regard router as a serious hardened component. but has many problems with reliability and programmability of the usual consumer turdware.
977762;1421280936;mircea_popescu;makes sense
977763;1421280972;asciilifeform;this here gadget is a ~100 usd piece that handily runs, say, a btc node. with good performance.
977764;1421281024;asciilifeform;metal chassis, rs232 port. very unusual in that respect. almost like something made 20 yrs. ago. hence the mention of it here.
977765;1421281036;mircea_popescu;gtk.
977766;1421281068;*;asciilifeform reminds readers who may come across this device not to use vendor's turd - a fairly standard linux but with a closed kernel module, apparently
977767;1421281234;mircea_popescu;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f3PJF0YE-x4 heh
977768;1421281235;assbot;Chris Rock - Black People VS. Niggaz (Bring the Pain 1996) - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1FYb4VN )
977769;1421281411;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 16 @ 0.10799062 = 1.7278 BTC [-] {2} 
977770;1421281428;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 16 @ 0.10799062 = 1.7278 BTC [-] {2} 
977771;1421281645;BingoBoingo;!up BiTMiND
977772;1421281717;asciilifeform;hactive.googlecode.com/files/CN50XX-HRM-V0.99E.pdf << leaked data sheet for the soc in gadget mentioned earlier. you can't actually get this from the vendor.
977773;1421281728;asciilifeform;(afaik)
977774;1421281755;mircea_popescu;lol
977775;1421281770;mircea_popescu;jesus the world we live in.
977776;1421281838;asciilifeform;mind-blowingly detailed datashit, however.
977777;1421281965;asciilifeform;woah, hardware memory management.
977778;1421281973;asciilifeform;(see pp. 254.)
977779;1421282019;mircea_popescu;maybe whioever made it was so proud of it ... he had to
977780;1421282030;asciilifeform;lol
977781;1421282064;asciilifeform;interestingly, there is, afaik, no support for any of the spiffy bells & whistles (hardware tcp/ip, queueing, packet inspection, etc.) in any civilized os.
977782;1421282072;asciilifeform;because, naturally, one would have to read the leaked ds
977783;1421282080;asciilifeform;and That Would Be Wrong (tm)
977784;1421282142;asciilifeform;i mention all of this because, while academic for the lot of us, there are folks who actually need to diddle 1M+ packets/sec. in some intelligent way.
977785;1421282147;asciilifeform;and it doesn't happen on a pc.
977786;1421282154;asciilifeform;they're stuck using weird turdware.
977787;1421282193;asciilifeform;supplied, afaik exclusively, by satan's loyal imps.
977788;1421282220;mircea_popescu;<asciilifeform> and That Would Be Wrong (tm) <<< i think doing away with FOSS shared idiocy will be the greatest bitcoin contribution to the movement.
977789;1421282234;asciilifeform;which idiocy
977790;1421282243;asciilifeform;(so many to choose from)
977791;1421282266;mircea_popescu;yes, you can turn down commits that change he to her. if women get upset, that's because the women in question are stupid and they don't belong in tech ; yes you can use proprietary code. if anyone doesn't like it, anyone can suck a free bag of dicks ;
977792;1421282299;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: right now it is elementary fear of usg that keeps the leaked docs scarce and largely unused
977793;1421282300;mircea_popescu;etc etc. there's this large pile of mental viral load they're currently carrying, so as to do essentiually what the power rangers want bitcoin to do : play cozy with TITB.
977794;1421282305;mircea_popescu;aka the idiots that be.
977795;1421282306;thestringpuller;https://twitter.com/aantonop/status/555375854314717186 << what is so interesting ~_~
977796;1421282314;asciilifeform;though there is an elaborate dance where folks implement xxxx and then pretend it wasn't using leaked/nda docs
977797;1421282319;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform yeah yeah. synergy.
977798;1421282361;asciilifeform;( for gentoo enthusiasts - http://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/MIPS/ERLite-3 )
977799;1421282362;assbot;MIPS/ERLite-3 - Gentoo Wiki ... ( http://bit.ly/1xr63dM )
977800;1421282382;mircea_popescu;the key to escaping from usg is not caring about usg issues ; the key to not caring about usg issues is escaping from usg.
977801;1421282385;mircea_popescu;they solve each other.
977802;1421282421;asciilifeform;the key to exploring the solar system is escaping the earth's gravity, yes. but easy to say!
977803;1421282648;asciilifeform;interestingly, thing has an rng, and manual actually provides a schematic supposedly for it.
977804;1421282655;asciilifeform;(it is not an especially good one)
977805;1421282676;asciilifeform;pp. 658-9. in case someone was actually following this thread.
977806;1421282726;asciilifeform;(what rng? ring oscillator jitter, with sha1 whitening.)
977807;1421283137;asciilifeform;i'd avoid the built-in aes, etc. instructions. if i were hitler and ordering a 'magic packet' back-door for this device, i would almost certainly ask that it spit back recently-used operands for these on the wire.
977808;1421283173;asciilifeform;curiously, it even has a hardware galois field multiplier. to tempt folks using elliptic curves.
977809;1421283272;asciilifeform;last bit re: this gadget: seems like the open source folks were somehow clued in regarding, and dared to put to use, the aes acceleration.
977810;1421283350;asciilifeform;this is mildly suggestive of vendor having encouraged this
977811;1421283357;asciilifeform;no prizes for guessing why.
977812;1421284002;mircea_popescu;<asciilifeform> (what rng? ring oscillator jitter, with sha1 whitening.) <<< better than many
977813;1421284028;asciilifeform;better than an entirely fake one, sure.
977814;1421284071;mircea_popescu;<asciilifeform> no prizes for guessing why. << usual management cluelessness
977815;1421284106;asciilifeform;or - someone would like to see these put to use.
977816;1421284195;asciilifeform;(who typically succumbs to the temptation of using hw-accelerates, e.g., aes? - folks setting up vpn or otherwise bridging nets with serious traffic. aka delicious targets for usg.)
977817;1421285149;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 3039 @ 0.00054222 = 1.6478 BTC [+] {11} 
977818;1421285161;ben_vulpes;mircea_popescu: it's "web technology". there are no good tools.
977819;1421285182;*;mircea_popescu enjoys the luxuries of preaching naked.
977820;1421285193;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 15970 @ 0.00057724 = 9.2185 BTC [+] {16} 
977821;1421285210;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 15853 @ 0.00058356 = 9.2512 BTC [+] {10} 
977822;1421285254;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 8088 @ 0.00058692 = 4.747 BTC [+] {7} 
977823;1421285271;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 6000 @ 0.00058588 = 3.5153 BTC [+] {5} 
977824;1421285376;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 2300 @ 0.00058999 = 1.357 BTC [+] {3} 
977825;1421285393;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 2300 @ 0.00058999 = 1.357 BTC [+] {3} 
977826;1421285998;*;ben_vulpes wonders how many hours of humanity have been wasted saving the wrong file
977827;1421286088;mircea_popescu;the rong file ?
977828;1421286272;[]bot;Bet placed: 10 BTC for No on "The Winkdex: BTC $5000 or more in 2015" http://bitbet.us/bet/1104/ Odds: 20(Y):80(N) by coin, 20(Y):80(N) by weight. Total bet: 25.134 BTC. Current weight: 99,930.
977829;1421286413;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12500 @ 0.0004212 = 5.265 BTC [-]
977830;1421286430;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12500 @ 0.0004212 = 5.265 BTC [-]
977831;1421286440;BingoBoingo;Better crank up those txfees https://imgur.com/GAklIdZ
977832;1421286441;assbot;                        Bitcoin network is maxed out. The backlog of unconfirmed transactions is now a few blocks large. - Imgur ... ( http://bit.ly/1BsMgRF )
977833;1421286489;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo check out the megaspam right under that lol
977834;1421286496;BingoBoingo;Yeah.
977835;1421286522;mircea_popescu;total fees, .5 btc. for 5k txn. so we wanna do it at 0.1 bitcent per tx. because why the fuck not, right ?
977836;1421286537;mircea_popescu;swift costs 50 bux to send, but bitcoin should do it for 20 cents.
977837;1421286567;mircea_popescu;and the fact that 5k idiots worth together a restaurant meal are left out is somehow BITCOIN's problem.
977838;1421286585;mircea_popescu;check it out yo! all the broke ass niggers at the ritzy club entrance have a quarter between them!
977839;1421286592;mircea_popescu;that red rope gotta go!
977840;1421286627;BingoBoingo;Well right now the idiots are trying 0.01 Bitcent and still some a tenth of that because it is the cutoff the the various "antispam" limits.
977841;1421286633;mircea_popescu;find me a fucking txn where visa charged 17.5 cents.
977842;1421286657;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 58050 @ 0.00041605 = 24.1517 BTC [-] {2} 
977843;1421286674;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 58050 @ 0.00041605 = 24.1517 BTC [-] {2} 
977844;1421286712;mircea_popescu;thestringpuller weren't you due some qntra material ?
977845;1421286716;mircea_popescu;you can't sleep on it yo!
977846;1421286733;mircea_popescu;it's a news site not a mortuary service.
977847;1421286816;mircea_popescu;http://bitbet.us/bet/1103/bitcoin-to-drop-under-170-before-march/ <<< re the "one week" clause bs. it just invalidated this bet.
977848;1421286817;assbot;BitBet - Bitcoin to drop under 170$ before March :: 1.14 B (81%) on Yes, 0.26 B (19%) on No | closed 1 minute  ago ... ( http://bit.ly/1BsNAUy )
977849;1421286819;mircea_popescu;now nobody gets anything.
977850;1421286963;mircea_popescu; anx says "the order engine has turned off. please try again later."
977851;1421286970;mircea_popescu;if anyone's looking for things to look into.
977852;1421288000;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25502 @ 0.00042293 = 10.7856 BTC [+]
977853;1421288017;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25502 @ 0.00042293 = 10.7856 BTC [+]
977854;1421288086;BingoBoingo;http://www.theawl.com/2015/01/re-new-wired-offices
977855;1421288087;assbot;Re: New WIRED Offices - The Awl ... ( http://bit.ly/1BsSuRw )
977856;1421288548;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26150 @ 0.00042588 = 11.1368 BTC [+]
977857;1421288565;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26150 @ 0.00042588 = 11.1368 BTC [+]
977858;1421288701;ben_vulpes;BingoBoingo: how does one keep an office tidy?
977859;1421288753;BingoBoingo;That I'm not sure. I mean for lesser offices you can get a janitor, but anytime sensitive information is being handled...
977860;1421288975;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 2548 @ 0.00058999 = 1.5033 BTC [+] {4} 
977861;1421288992;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 2548 @ 0.00058999 = 1.5033 BTC [+] {4} 
977862;1421289460;mircea_popescu;"Unfortunately, too often the place where we do that important work looks, at best, like a dorm room."
977863;1421289461;mircea_popescu;doh ?
977864;1421289484;mircea_popescu;"Please. WIRED is no longer a pirate ship. It�s the home of world-changing journalism."
977865;1421289486;mircea_popescu;it fucking died.
977866;1421289500;mircea_popescu;wasn't feeling all that well for years, but...
977867;1421289511;mircea_popescu;" It�s the West Coast home of Cond� Nast. "
977868;1421289513;mircea_popescu;quite exactly.
977869;1421289532;mircea_popescu;"And it�s increasingly a place where we, and our New York colleagues and owners, host artists, founders, CEOs, and advertisers." splendid :
977870;1421289683;BingoBoingo;<mircea_popescu> "Please. WIRED is no longer a pirate ship. It�s the home of world-changing journalism." << Now a "Museum Ship"
977871;1421289705;mircea_popescu;world changing journalism lol.
977872;1421289718;mircea_popescu;wht's this obsession with changing the world anyway ? very insecure people.
977873;1421289755;BingoBoingo;Well, they understand they can't survive the world as is, so their reflex is... change the world. So much easier than changing self.
977874;1421289808;mircea_popescu;it's the universal superlative by now. world changing novels and toothpaste, cars and fruit juicers, politicians and nail polish.
977875;1421289829;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 10015 @ 0.00060498 = 6.0589 BTC [+] {3} 
977876;1421289833;mircea_popescu;brb while i fartchange the world!
977877;1421289846;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 10015 @ 0.00060498 = 6.0589 BTC [+] {3} 
977878;1421290109;mircea_popescu;ahh that felt like a most worldchanging dump i just took.
977879;1421290114;mircea_popescu;anyone perceive any difference ?
977880;1421290282;mod6;it does feel lighter in here
977881;1421290326;mircea_popescu;ahh! then i can go to bed without paxil for once!
977882;1421290338;BingoBoingo;I think I can smell it
977883;1421290357;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu> ahh! then i can go to bed without paxil for once! << Talk about drugs that develop a physical addiction.
977884;1421290425;BingoBoingo;;;bc,stats
977885;1421290427;gribble;Current Blocks: 339002 | Current Difficulty: 4.397166205608958E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 340703 | Next Difficulty In: 1701 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 4 days, 6 hours, 21 minutes, and 27 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 40372940928.2 | Estimated Percent Change: -8.18418
977886;1421290592;BingoBoingo;;;buy 40 PH/s mining farm and Typhoon class submarine chasis with loaded reactor at negotiable Serious Inqueries only
977887;1421290592;gribble;Error: 'mining' is not a valid price input.
977888;1421290665;BingoBoingo;;;buy 40 "PH/s mining farm and Typhoon class submarine chasis with loaded reactor" at "negotiable" Serious Inqueries only
977889;1421290665;gribble;Error: 'negotiable' is not a valid price input.
977890;1421290725;BingoBoingo;;;buy 40 "PH/s mining farm and Typhoon class submarine chasis with loaded reactor" at 1 BTC Serious Inqueries only
977891;1421290725;gribble;Order id 21899 created.
977892;1421290774;mod6;hah
977893;1421290816;BingoBoingo;Serious, would pay 1 BTC or more for that.
977894;1421290855;mod6;i believe you
977895;1421290878;BingoBoingo;Plan is park it near a beach, run the farm off of the reactor's output and mine on free electricity for 20+ years.
977896;1421291004;BingoBoingo;Mining gear is going to be cooled by the hull sitting in water.
977897;1421291015;BingoBoingo;Parties are going to happen on the deck.
977898;1421291031;kakobrekla;;;bc,stats
977899;1421291035;gribble;Current Blocks: 339003 | Current Difficulty: 4.397166205608958E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 340703 | Next Difficulty In: 1700 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 4 days, 6 hours, 11 minutes, and 55 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 40346650088.8 | Estimated Percent Change: -8.24397
977900;1421291098;BingoBoingo;Internet connectivity through Starbucks public wifi/GPRS cell data when starbucks cuts us off... if they dare...
977901;1421292484;danielpbarron;http://www.dnainfo.com/new-york/20150113/astoria/man-killed-by-roommate-astoria-apartment-nypd-says
977902;1421292485;assbot;Teen Bitcoin Trader Beat Lawyer Roommate to Death with Hammer, Sources Say - Astoria - DNAinfo.com New York ... ( http://bit.ly/1C2CLZo )
977903;1421292498;danielpbarron;Capobianco and Smith were in business together trading Bitcoin, a type of online currency, according to state records and online at sites like LocalBitcoins.com and BTCjam.com.
977904;1421292505;BingoBoingo;;;later tell mircea_popescu http://www.wired.com/2014/12/life-and-death-of-the-racket/ << cazalla
977905;1421292507;assbot;The Guerrilla Tactics of The Racket, and How It Almost Upended Journalism | WIRED ... ( http://bit.ly/1C2CNAp )
977906;1421292507;gribble;The operation succeeded.
977907;1421292537;BingoBoingo;"After noticing that he had fewer than 10,000 followers on Twitter, they bought him 100,000 in chunks of a few thousand at a time�although the number was in constant flux because Twitter kept zapping the bot accounts. The point to all of it was � well � They didn�t really seem to have one?"
977908;1421292576;danielpbarron;https://localbitcoins.com/ad/127753/buy-bitcoins-with-cash-east-new-york-brooklyn-ny-usa
977909;1421292578;assbot;Buy bitcoins with cash in US Dollar (USD), East New York, Brooklyn, NY, USA,   ... ( http://bit.ly/1C2CZQf )
977910;1421292634;BingoBoingo;�They do good work but the voice of the site is just so dry and neutral,� said Pareene. �We want to be loudly shouting opinions at people until they get mad at us.� << Pareene nao is a Gawker stoolie
977911;1421292718;BingoBoingo;!up Tsdfiofi
977912;1421292723;BingoBoingo;Hello Tsdfiofi
977913;1421292910;BingoBoingo;danielpbarron: Looks like perfectly normal gay domestic violence.
977914;1421292964;ben_vulpes;;;ticker
977915;1421292967;gribble;Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 193.0, Best ask: 193.02, Bid-ask spread: 0.02000, Last trade: 193.02, 24 hour volume: 134429.47125864, 24 hour low: 152.4, 24 hour high: 220.86, 24 hour vwap: 188.924982829
977916;1421292971;BingoBoingo;BUt... Their blood is on Buterin's hands
977917;1421293050;danielpbarron;not in the WoT; no surprise
977918;1421293118;BingoBoingo;danielpbarron: Well, you have to understand the empire state, state of mind
977919;1421293545;danielpbarron;http://motherboard.vice.com/read/cirrus-bitcoin-bucks
977920;1421293546;assbot;An Undercover Agent Was Making $1000 a Week in Bitcoin as a Silk Road Admin | Motherboard ... ( http://bit.ly/1C2Fzpt )
977921;1421293658;BingoBoingo;http://www.dorkly.com/post/71697/5-insane-things-about-the-mobile-game-starring-kate-upton
977922;1421293660;assbot;5 of the Weirdest Things About That Kate Upton Mobile Game - Dorkly Post ... ( http://bit.ly/1C2FPF5 )
977923;1421293781;BingoBoingo;^ In spite of idiot venues highlighting the suck of tablet games...
977924;1421294119;danielpbarron;5. A Belgian kid spent $46,000 in Game of War: Fire Age by himself << wtf.
977925;1421294122;BingoBoingo;special agent with the US Internal Revenue Service Gary Alford
977926;1421294151;BingoBoingo;^ And Alford plea is one of the historically lulziest outcomes fo criminal cases
977927;1421294334;BingoBoingo;"Jury will prolly habbeb you, Imma start the sentence sooner"
977928;1421294916;BingoBoingo;!up HlySht
977929;1421294924;BingoBoingo;HlySht: How's the bleeding?
977930;1421295214;BingoBoingo;OMG SVU tonight had the best opening musical montage ever!
977931;1421295794;ben_vulpes;add keyserver to the list of things la serenissima wants its own of, eh?
977932;1421295840;BingoBoingo;Prolly
977933;1421295865;BingoBoingo;A gossipd-net of keyservers would be divine
977934;1421295967;BingoBoingo;Just pissing UDP to rando IP's is the wave of the future.
977935;1421296235;*;ben_vulpes imagines gossipd clients
977936;1421296257;ben_vulpes;!up nOgAnOo
977937;1421296262;ben_vulpes;goddamnit
977938;1421296278;ben_vulpes;;;eauth ben_vulpes
977939;1421296279;gribble;Request successful for user ben_vulpes, hostmask ben_vulpes!~ben_vulpe@unaffiliated/benkay. Get your encrypted OTP from http://bitcoin-otc.com/otps/2AFA1A9FD2D031DA
977940;1421296290;ben_vulpes;;;everify freenode:#bitcoin-otc:3f779cee60464cb63982c04c8eb36825f2565313c3c5afc80d8b0200
977941;1421296290;ben_vulpes;
977942;1421296291;gribble;You are now authenticated for user ben_vulpes with key 2AFA1A9FD2D031DA
977943;1421296295;ben_vulpes;!up nOgAnOo
977944;1421296308;ben_vulpes;godDAMNIT
977945;1421296312;kakobrekla;:D
977946;1421296315;ben_vulpes;!up nOgAnOo
977947;1421296319;nOgAnOo;Thank you sir!
977948;1421296329;ben_vulpes;what brings you around?
977949;1421296333;kakobrekla;you must thank him trice now.
977950;1421296339;nOgAnOo;I just seen some logs talking about the bitcoin fork..
977951;1421296402;nOgAnOo;20MB block size.. I don't understand it yet..
977952;1421296411;nOgAnOo;But I don't trust the Bitcoin Foundation at all..
977953;1421296443;danielpbarron;what's wrong with the bitcoin foundation?
977954;1421296465;nOgAnOo;Just a bad feeling.. the same feeling I have about Moolah
977955;1421296484;kakobrekla;!s moolah
977956;1421296485;assbot;55 results for 'moolah' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=moolah
977957;1421296523;BingoBoingo;danielpbarron: You have to accept that at this point many people saying "Bitcoin Foundation" are going to be referring to the dinosaur fundnation.
977958;1421296524;artifexd;<BingoBoingo> A gossipd-net of keyservers would be divine << I like it
977959;1421296524;nOgAnOo;That they are elitists and very rude to the community mostly.. Like how does a ban-happy kid like gmaxwell control the IRC channel and main forum?
977960;1421296552;nOgAnOo;gmaxwell put a very bad taste in my mouth for bitcoin long ago and I turned to altcoin communities as soon as they arrived.
977961;1421296566;BingoBoingo;artifexd: Seriously. The future is pissing UDP thinly, but everywhere. That is how you culture deniability.
977962;1421296577;kakobrekla;and now you found out that altcoin extremist are also bad ?
977963;1421296588;nOgAnOo;keko, the greed has spread everywhere like a virus!
977964;1421296611;nOgAnOo;I am making my own 100% airdrop coin for IRC games called NyanKoin
977965;1421296616;danielpbarron;..
977966;1421296626;nOgAnOo;Distributing hopefully through 40 or more airdrop methods
977967;1421296630;BingoBoingo;Sounds shady nOgAnOo are you actually usagi?
977968;1421296642;kakobrekla;lol
977969;1421296653;nOgAnOo;When litecoin came out I was pissed
977970;1421296657;nOgAnOo;I thought there was not room for 2 coins
977971;1421296667;kakobrekla;here isnt ?
977972;1421296668;nOgAnOo;now my philosophy has changed.. I am ready to make my first and only coin
977973;1421296678;danielpbarron;make sure the block size limit is 20 mb so you get max adoption rate
977974;1421296711;*;nOgAnOo clueless as to what 20MB blocks would change
977975;1421296722;*;BingoBoingo ready for price of actually delivered coins to spike to $5000/per+
977976;1421296739;BingoBoingo;* nOgAnOo clueless as to what 20MB blocks would change << would sink tx fees
977977;1421296780;nOgAnOo;Thanks
977978;1421296797;BingoBoingo;https://twitter.com/BBoingo/status/555580737286864896
977979;1421296798;assbot;./helenzaltzman is your dad the Godfather? "But until that day, accept this justice as a gift on my daughter's wedding day." :-)
977980;1421296801;kakobrekla;from ocean floor to magma.
977981;1421296810;nOgAnOo;So anyways.. speaking of assets.. I'm going to be accepting bitcoin for pepper and tomato seeds
977982;1421296811;BingoBoingo;Seriously
977983;1421296819;nOgAnOo;Would anyone even spend bitcoin at this price?????
977984;1421296824;BingoBoingo;nOgAnOo: What about... End product.
977985;1421296843;BingoBoingo;<nOgAnOo> Would anyone even spend bitcoin at this price????? << Because some people accept actual price.
977986;1421296857;BingoBoingo;<gribble> #21899 || BingoBoingo || BUY 40.0 PH/s mining farm and Typhoon class submarine chasis with loaded reactor @ 1 BTC || Serious Inqueries only
977987;1421296902;nOgAnOo;What do you mean BingoBoingo, end product?
977988;1421296909;nOgAnOo;Making sauces and things?
977989;1421296919;nOgAnOo;I've got ideas for foods that would blow your mind, sir..
977990;1421296921;BingoBoingo;nOgAnOo: I mean the peppers and tomatoes
977991;1421296929;nOgAnOo;Think willy wonka, the candy that turns to different foods
977992;1421296931;nOgAnOo;"_
977993;1421296932;nOgAnOo;:)
977994;1421296949;BingoBoingo;lol
977995;1421296974;nOgAnOo;Tonight I am making pumpkin pie rollups.. spicy tomato rollups.. venison jerky.. more ginger lemon detox drink and possibly french onion soup and watermelon tropical punch honey gummy worms
977996;1421296986;nOgAnOo;I'm going to overtake walmart
977997;1421297010;nOgAnOo;Not like I care about that but I do like eating my own homegrown organic foods and candies
977998;1421297033;nOgAnOo;I'm doing honey.. maple syrup.. mushrooms.. orchards.. berry patches.. grapes.. veggies.. herbs.. melons..
977999;1421297045;nOgAnOo;I've got 70 varieties of peppers and 50 varieties tomatos
978000;1421297052;nOgAnOo;it's been my plan for 3 years to start a crypto seedbank
978001;1421297064;nOgAnOo;but it takes a few years to start producing bulk.. I garden alone...
978002;1421297073;BingoBoingo;<nOgAnOo> it's been my plan for 3 years to start a crypto seedbank << I thought it was cryo
978003;1421297076;nOgAnOo;I just planted 777 carolina reapers last week
978004;1421297084;nOgAnOo;hottest pepper in the world
978005;1421297144;nOgAnOo;How would one asset back a coin at a non-set price?
978006;1421297165;nOgAnOo;1 coin = 1 seed.. depending on harvest volume...
978007;1421297169;BingoBoingo;Well, what is wrong with distillation fractions and just growing capsasin crystals?
978008;1421297191;danielpbarron;nOgAnOo, you should just abandon that idea entirely
978009;1421297211;nOgAnOo;I am not purely in this for capsaicin.. I like the flavor of certain peppers.. I also want to extract terpenes one day and eat fresh
978010;1421297213;BingoBoingo;<nOgAnOo> 1 coin = 1 seed.. depending on harvest volume... << Problem is you think 1 coin is one seed and I think one coin is a typhoon classs submarine
978011;1421297248;nOgAnOo;I need some sort of algorithm where the asset backing can fluctuate gently
978012;1421297262;nOgAnOo;1 carolina reaper seed is worth 30 cents minimum on ebay now
978013;1421297267;nOgAnOo;2 years ago it was 1.50
978014;1421297269;danielpbarron;if there is profit to be made, the best structure for what you're describing is a stock that pays dividends; not a currency
978015;1421297279;nOgAnOo;share cropping?
978016;1421297284;BingoBoingo;lol, I want a cliff I can jump off of into tons of down feathers, for the thrill
978017;1421297292;danielpbarron;a company that sells seeds or whatever you are producing
978018;1421297304;nOgAnOo;I want to attach paper wallets to my products like camel cash
978019;1421297324;nOgAnOo;give them a share of my company when they buy my products.. micro-shares
978020;1421297327;BingoBoingo;<nOgAnOo> I want to attach paper wallets to my products like camel cash << Mega scam
978021;1421297370;danielpbarron;customers don't necessarily make good share holders
978022;1421297384;nOgAnOo;I just want to make it fun.. people like rewards
978023;1421297396;BingoBoingo;Rewards are tricky business.
978024;1421297402;nOgAnOo;I will give htem a bazooka joe comic or camel cash note style paper wallet that is worth some pepper seeds
978025;1421297425;nOgAnOo;or they can trade those assets for other coins on the market
978026;1421297448;kakobrekla;you came from reddit or what
978027;1421297456;danielpbarron;the whole point of having seeds is actually having the seeds; not some paper representation of them
978028;1421297456;nOgAnOo;No I've been an IRC kiddie for 15 years
978029;1421297460;nOgAnOo;I hate reddit
978030;1421297470;kakobrekla;weird
978031;1421297505;nOgAnOo;daniel, it would give them incentive to come and check out the e-shop or w/e
978032;1421297512;kakobrekla;anyway why give them your scam coin if you can give them a satoshi that is worth some seeds
978033;1421297525;kakobrekla;yeah meh
978034;1421297525;nOgAnOo;Like when people send me sample seeds and don't tell me what they are.. "COME TO WEBSITE TO FIND OUT WHAT THESE SAMPLE SEEDS ARE"
978035;1421297539;danielpbarron;it's a terrible idea that you will look back on with embarrassment
978036;1421297540;kakobrekla;customer loyality program + crypto
978037;1421297544;kakobrekla;like that topcoin garbage
978038;1421297548;nOgAnOo;Mystery Seed Coin
978039;1421297555;kakobrekla;do it if you like just dont talk about it here
978040;1421297570;BingoBoingo;Is it just me, or does Ice-T get whiter every fucking year, the fucking race traitor.
978041;1421297589;BingoBoingo;Black is Beautiful... When it comes to dat ass.
978042;1421297616;nOgAnOo;[22:52] <@kakobrekla> do it if you like just dont talk about it here << Peace guys
978043;1421297721;BingoBoingo;SO SVU tonight... nice primer of traps and honey traps.
978044;1421297736;kakobrekla;he left? came only to spam his thing ? :|
978045;1421297774;mod6;need some seeds brah?
978046;1421297796;kakobrekla;no, we smoke the bud here in somalia.
978047;1421297802;mod6;hah
978048;1421297981;BingoBoingo;Seriously, whole flower or No flower!!!
978049;1421298318;BingoBoingo;We all float on alright
978050;1421298520;BingoBoingo;Du hast
978051;1421299006;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20600 @ 0.00043462 = 8.9532 BTC [+]
978052;1421299040;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20600 @ 0.00043462 = 8.9532 BTC [+]
978053;1421299131;BingoBoingo;Oh Chicago PD tonight... Why do all of the feds have stainless steel lockers...
978054;1421299383;asciilifeform;http://arstechnica.com/security/2015/01/meet-keysweeper-the-10-usb-charger-that-steals-ms-keyboard-strokes << microshit wireless kbd crypts with xor.
978055;1421299384;assbot;Meet KeySweeper, the $10 USB charger that steals MS keyboard strokes | Ars Technica ... ( http://bit.ly/1C2UAHR )
978056;1421299435;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: I assume that is every charger
978057;1421299460;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: Your new router seems to be getting mad props nao.
978058;1421299464;asciilifeform;'charger' was just the furniture used as mask.
978059;1421299632;asciilifeform;http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2015/01/obama-wants-congress-to-increase-prison-sentences-for-hackers << further lulz
978060;1421299633;assbot;Obama wants Congress to increase prison sentences for hackers | Ars Technica ... ( http://bit.ly/155u4Ro )
978061;1421299659;BingoBoingo;Coffee pot works as well, yes. /. thread proposing new router as single oard computer for the wrong reasons, mad lulz
978062;1421299710;asciilifeform;link?
978063;1421299869;BingoBoingo;http://hardware.slashdot.org/story/15/01/14/2028230/tiny-fanless-mini-pc-runs-linux-or-windows-on-quad-core-amd-soc
978064;1421299870;assbot;Tiny Fanless Mini-PC Runs Linux Or Windows On Quad-core AMD SoC - Slashdot ... ( http://bit.ly/155uK9k )
978065;1421299875;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: ty
978066;1421299898;asciilifeform;that's an x86 box
978067;1421299902;BingoBoingo;Almost liek they want to poison the rep of the decent if not good
978068;1421299917;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: You router is mentioned downthread
978069;1421299943;BingoBoingo;Endorsers endorse it for bad/wrong reasons
978070;1421299986;asciilifeform;not seeing it
978071;1421300002;asciilifeform;nm
978072;1421300030;BingoBoingo;"no karma" on mentioning posts
978073;1421300112;BingoBoingo;So...
978074;1421300144;asciilifeform;not that many vendors to choose from - if you want a fanless non-x86, non-arm box with >256M ram.
978075;1421300155;BingoBoingo;mentions appear... clackholed
978076;1421300161;BingoBoingo;*blackholed
978077;1421300349;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo actually ima write that up for qntra.
978078;1421300714;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: Go for it.
978079;1421300778;BingoBoingo;My venom sacks are still sore trendign towards empty
978080;1421301112;BingoBoingo;!UP DreadKnight
978081;1421301541;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30850 @ 0.00043954 = 13.5598 BTC [+] {2} 
978082;1421301574;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30850 @ 0.00043954 = 13.5598 BTC [+] {2} 
978083;1421303596;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes: add keyserver to the list of things la serenissima wants its own of, eh? << heh sure, eventually.
978084;1421303650;mircea_popescu;artifexd: <BingoBoingo> A gossipd-net of keyservers would be divine << I like it << kinda how it has to work anyway
978085;1421303699;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: Yeah. I got that much from the convo. asciilifeform Was totally right about the thing living as streams of UDP piss
978086;1421303724;mircea_popescu;kakobrekla: and now you found out that altcoin extremist are also bad ? << dude... you people are so hard to troll i swear. what sort of a cult are we running here out of this much internet savvy and genre savvy and whatnot! i think we're supposed to fall over backwards every time some random lolcow wanders in and says something nice.
978087;1421303880;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform: microshit wireless kbd crypts with xor. << OTP ? :D
978088;1421303946;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo: My venom sacks are still sore trendign towards empty << it finally dawned on me what cazalla wanted with domme chicks.
978089;1421303957;mircea_popescu;get a busted lip, bust out 50 qntra articles in a rage.
978090;1421303979;BingoBoingo;Seriously
978091;1421304070;BingoBoingo;I'm not so picky. Just B cups and a big fat butt... I'm good on that.
978092;1421304093;BingoBoingo;I bleed... She bleeds... that's just logistics
978093;1421304151;BingoBoingo;Seriously looks like Obummer is going to push the E-patriot act though which sucks
978094;1421304234;mircea_popescu;if a shit suddenly farts, is it shittier than before it farted ?
978095;1421304253;BingoBoingo;No, It is just a shart, an awkward compromise
978096;1421304604;BingoBoingo;#bitcoin-otc right nao: <BingoBoingo> Any thoughts or interest on order #21899
978097;1421304604;BingoBoingo;<Dizzle> Well, possible there's a niceguy stevepn out there that FF took the name of for his dirty deeds. If he's authed, it's FF fo sho :P
978098;1421304604;BingoBoingo;<Dizzle> ;;view 21899
978099;1421304604;BingoBoingo;<gribble> #21899 Wed Jan 14 21:58:43 2015 BingoBoingo BUY 40.0 PH/s mining farm and Typhoon class submarine chasis with loaded reactor @ 1 BTC (Serious Inqueries only)
978100;1421304604;BingoBoingo;<Dizzle> Why so cheap, BingoBoingo, is it a power hog?
978101;1421304606;BingoBoingo;<lewellyn> BingoBoingo: that's ONE buy? what a weird combo. :)
978102;1421304608;BingoBoingo;* Newyorkadam has quit (Quit: Newyorkadam)
978103;1421304610;BingoBoingo;<BingoBoingo> Dizzle: Not cheap. I price BTC at fair market value. None of this roulette on whether Bitstamp can deliver bullshit.
978104;1421304613;BingoBoingo;<BingoBoingo> lewellyn: Makes perfect sense. Naval reactors are reliable. Basically free electricity for 20 years
978105;1421304616;BingoBoingo;<BingoBoingo> Also for cooling, weld some fins on and... ocean
978106;1421304618;BingoBoingo;<Dizzle> ohh, you're buying, thought you were selling for a second. :D
978107;1421304620;BingoBoingo;* ctx` has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
978108;1421304622;BingoBoingo;<BingoBoingo> Nah, I want the boat and hardware to fill it.
978109;1421304624;BingoBoingo;<BingoBoingo> I'll buy higher than 1 BTC for what I want... But... I'm not gonna get Jew'd on this shit.
978110;1421304627;BingoBoingo;<lewellyn> BingoBoingo: can civilians GET a working reactor? :P
978111;1421304629;mircea_popescu;dude srsly...
978112;1421304629;BingoBoingo;<BingoBoingo> lewellyn: WHy not. I didn't personally sign the nuclear non-proliferation treaty.
978113;1421304631;mircea_popescu;pastebin wtf.
978114;1421304633;BingoBoingo;* delll has quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds)
978115;1421304635;BingoBoingo;<BingoBoingo> And I will be Damned if Obola tries to negate my second amendment rights with treaty agreements.
978116;1421304660;BingoBoingo;Eh, I know what I want to buy.
978117;1421305408;punkman;http://italiastartupvisa.mise.gov.it/ "The Italian Government policy to attract innovative  entrepreneurs from all over the world"
978118;1421305409;assbot; Italia Startup Visa | main page  ... ( http://bit.ly/1yeHHLo )
978119;1421305456;punkman;"a KPMG report recently stated that “Made in Italy” is the 3rd best known brand in the world."
978120;1421305467;mircea_popescu;ahaha
978121;1421305486;mircea_popescu;they probably just intend to pickpocket them.
978122;1421305497;punkman;big time
978123;1421305580;punkman;"certified incubator"
978124;1421305618;mircea_popescu;well, rome, capital of the rroma people.
978125;1421305627;BingoBoingo;http://qntra.net/2015/01/pierre-omidyar-also-started-a-qntra-back-in-october-his-failed/ << mircea_popescu
978126;1421305627;assbot;Pierre Omidyar also started a Qntra back in October. His failed. | Qntra.net ... ( http://bit.ly/1C9OTFV )
978127;1421305629;fluffypony;[09:06:09]  <@Stalker>I FINALLY FIGURED IT OUT
978128;1421305630;fluffypony;[09:06:17]  <@Stalker>Cosplay is modelling for the ugly girls
978129;1421305631;fluffypony;!bash 2
978130;1421305632;assbot;Last 2 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/33HTVBM.txt )
978131;1421305637;mircea_popescu;ahaha
978132;1421305664;mircea_popescu;fluffypony they're more often fat than ugly, to put a... fine point on it.
978133;1421305669;fluffypony;lol
978134;1421305688;punkman;they hire professional models to cosplay in all the conventions these days
978135;1421305693;mircea_popescu;howrysheeit look at it! mom, i made the papers!
978136;1421305792;mircea_popescu;"Sometimes, rom and romani are spelled with a double r, i.e., rrom and rromani. In this case rr is used to represent the phoneme /ʀ/ (also written as ř and rh), which in some Romani dialects has remained different from the one written with a single r. " << actually, this is incorrect.
978137;1421305857;mircea_popescu;the source of the double r in writing is that right at the time gypsies decided to yet again rename in the early 90s, there was circulating on romanian TV a reading of a caragiale novel (romani verzi) mocking a very nutty sort of nationalism current in his time, that was being read in a particularrrrr manerrrr by a certain comedian.
978138;1421305877;mircea_popescu;this was immediately and universally applied to what was perceived as a silly and pompous notion of the minority in question.
978139;1421306703;BingoBoingo;!up pete_dushenski
978140;1421306715;pete_dushenski;grazi!
978141;1421306726;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23600 @ 0.00043462 = 10.257 BTC [-]
978142;1421306731;pete_dushenski;i come bearing blog: http://www.contravex.com/2015/01/14/its-time-for-post-post-modernity-to-mature-or-perish/
978143;1421306733;assbot;It’s time for post-post-modernity to mature or perish. | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski ... ( http://bit.ly/1C9RVtO )
978144;1421306763;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23600 @ 0.00043462 = 10.257 BTC [-]
978145;1421306844;pete_dushenski;contravex: now sporting new quippy comment thingies on the sidebar!
978146;1421306857;BingoBoingo;!up qntranet
978147;1421306863;BingoBoingo;Hello qntranet
978148;1421306865;mircea_popescu;so mucxh voice.
978149;1421306868;BingoBoingo;How are you?
978150;1421306884;mircea_popescu;pete_dushenski funny how scoopbot dies half hour before you come in lol
978151;1421306918;pete_dushenski;mircea_popescu lol well scoopbot and i never really saw eye to eye
978152;1421306924;pete_dushenski;just ask peterl
978153;1421306950;pete_dushenski;the thing refused to recognise my extistence
978154;1421306956;mircea_popescu;mebbe it has a crash on oyu.
978155;1421306971;pete_dushenski;which is fine by me, i don't need no stinkin' bot taking my job!
978156;1421306982;BingoBoingo;O.o PeterL does scoopbot want to fuck other Pete???
978157;1421307002;pete_dushenski;it's all out war
978158;1421307021;pete_dushenski;:)
978159;1421307080;mircea_popescu;lol
978160;1421307175;fluffypony;"journalism" at its finest: http://motherboard.vice.com/read/cirrus-bitcoin-bucks
978161;1421307176;assbot;An Undercover Agent Was Making $1000 a Week in Bitcoin as a Silk Road Admin | Motherboard ... ( http://bit.ly/1C2Fzpt )
978162;1421307202;fluffypony;'Dread Pirate Roberts, or DRP, used the username “dread,”'
978163;1421307210;fluffypony;because acronyms are hard
978164;1421307239;mircea_popescu;iirc saw that in teh logs.
978165;1421307263;pete_dushenski;mircea_popescu for no other reason than that i've observed it, i have to say that your blogs have been kinder and gentler of late
978166;1421307264;mircea_popescu;apparently one admin was actually undercover agent, the official story now goes
978167;1421307280;BingoBoingo;That's been they story for well over a month nao
978168;1421307283;mircea_popescu;pete_dushenski the fact that i can't tell if you're straight or sarcastic is telling
978169;1421307290;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo but not originally.
978170;1421307298;pete_dushenski;lol
978171;1421307303;pete_dushenski;so, so telling
978172;1421307316;mircea_popescu;so which was it ?
978173;1421307329;pete_dushenski;i'm being straight!
978174;1421307333;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: Well originally in law Defense lawyer could have said no legally observed evil, but... evil judge...
978175;1421307351;pete_dushenski;i can probably attribute a chunk of this to the acclimatisation process
978176;1421307359;pete_dushenski;my lungs have adapted to the air up here
978177;1421307409;pete_dushenski;the shock has worn off perhaps
978178;1421307468;pete_dushenski;just as the "oh noes how come the education system never taught us xyz and instead pulled the wool over our eyes" reaction is weakening
978179;1421307510;mircea_popescu;"The men who murdered Virginia's original twenty-six cemetery-occupants were never punished. Why? Because Alfred the Great, when he invented trial by jury and knew that he had admirably framed it to secure justice in his age of the world, was not aware that in the nineteenth century the condition of things would be so entirely changed that unless he rose from the grave and altered the jury plan to meet the emergency, i
978180;1421307511;mircea_popescu;t would prove the most ingenious and infallible agency for defeating justice that human wisdom could contrive. For how could he imagine that we simpletons would go on using his jury plan after circumstances had stripped it of its usefulness, any more than he could imagine that we would go on using his candle-clock after we had invented chronometers? In his day news could not travel fast, and hence he could easily find
978181;1421307511;mircea_popescu;a jury of honest, intelligent men who had not heard of the case they were called to try�but in our day of telegraphs and newspapers his plan compels us to swear in juries composed of fools and rascals, because the system rigidly excludes honest men and men of brains."
978182;1421307512;BingoBoingo;"Laws, not men" bas birthed more evil than any other construction
978183;1421307519;mircea_popescu;srsly, twain was complaining of it.
978184;1421307622;*;BingoBoingo still finds "failed" tagalog a potentially more fruitful endeavor than that Chicom pidgin
978185;1421308121;BingoBoingo;!up moldysnizz
978186;1421308171;moldysnizz;hey bingo!
978187;1421308223;moldysnizz;How's it been?
978188;1421308234;BingoBoingo;Not bad
978189;1421309268;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 45800 @ 0.00042219 = 19.3363 BTC [-] {3} 
978190;1421309288;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 45800 @ 0.00042219 = 19.3363 BTC [-] {3} 
978191;1421310775;punkman;http://www.gofundme.com/2015/01/13/gofundme-tops-kickstarter-as-worlds-1-crowdfunding-platform/
978192;1421310776;assbot;GoFundMe Tops Kickstarter as World’s #1 Crowdfunding Platform ... ( http://bit.ly/1u8O0Jf )
978193;1421312460;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 43692 @ 0.00042625 = 18.6237 BTC [+]
978194;1421312483;[]bot;Bet placed: 4 BTC for Yes on "The Winkdex: BTC $5000 or more in 2015" http://bitbet.us/bet/1104/ Odds: 31(Y):69(N) by coin, 31(Y):69(N) by weight. Total bet: 29.234 BTC. Current weight: 99,836.
978195;1421312500;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 43692 @ 0.00042625 = 18.6237 BTC [+]
978196;1421313375;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 1750 @ 0.00058 = 1.015 BTC [+]
978197;1421313415;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 1750 @ 0.00058 = 1.015 BTC [+]
978198;1421315388;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 38251 @ 0.00042198 = 16.1412 BTC [-]
978199;1421315428;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 38251 @ 0.00042198 = 16.1412 BTC [-]
978200;1421316167;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22600 @ 0.00041483 = 9.3752 BTC [-]
978201;1421316167;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 2300 @ 0.00057999 = 1.334 BTC [+] {3} 
978202;1421316181;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22600 @ 0.00041483 = 9.3752 BTC [-]
978203;1421316181;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 2300 @ 0.00057999 = 1.334 BTC [+] {3} 
978204;1421316350;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 5900 @ 0.00058605 = 3.4577 BTC [+] {6} 
978205;1421316364;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 5900 @ 0.00058605 = 3.4577 BTC [+] {6} 
978206;1421316473;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 10047 @ 0.0005968 = 5.996 BTC [+] {4} 
978207;1421316486;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 10023 @ 0.00059691 = 5.9828 BTC [+] {3} 
978208;1421317218;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8980 @ 0.00041483 = 3.7252 BTC [-]
978209;1421317266;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 65800 @ 0.00040988 = 26.9701 BTC [-] {3} 
978210;1421317279;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 56820 @ 0.0004091 = 23.2451 BTC [-] {2} 
978211;1421317632;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14430 @ 0.0004085 = 5.8947 BTC [-]
978212;1421317645;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 63923 @ 0.00040781 = 26.0684 BTC [-] {3} 
978213;1421317693;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 68970 @ 0.0004061 = 28.0087 BTC [-] {3} 
978214;1421317706;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19477 @ 0.00040227 = 7.835 BTC [-]
978215;1421318913;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 63234 @ 0.00042192 = 26.6797 BTC [+] {2} 
978216;1421318926;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 63234 @ 0.00042192 = 26.6797 BTC [+] {2} 
978217;1421319465;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15066 @ 0.00042644 = 6.4247 BTC [+]
978218;1421319475;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15066 @ 0.00042644 = 6.4247 BTC [+]
978219;1421319515;[]bot;Bet placed: 10 BTC for No on "The Winkdex: BTC $5000 or more in 2015" http://bitbet.us/bet/1104/ Odds: 23(Y):77(N) by coin, 23(Y):77(N) by weight. Total bet: 39.234 BTC. Current weight: 99,811.
978220;1421320319;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 37534 @ 0.00042072 = 15.7913 BTC [-] {2} 
978221;1421320329;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 59561 @ 0.00042786 = 25.4838 BTC [+] {3} 
978222;1421320380;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22027 @ 0.00044004 = 9.6928 BTC [+]
978223;1421323623;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 45600 @ 0.00043879 = 20.0088 BTC [+]
978224;1421323674;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 45600 @ 0.00043879 = 20.0088 BTC [-]
978225;1421323857;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 2049 @ 0.00058467 = 1.198 BTC [+] {8} 
978226;1421323867;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 3490 @ 0.00058356 = 2.0366 BTC [+] {9} 
978227;1421326317;mats;http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2015/01/obama-wants-congress-to-increase-prison-sentences-for-hackers/
978228;1421326318;assbot;Obama wants Congress to increase prison sentences for hackers | Ars Technica ... ( http://bit.ly/1ymScZX )
978229;1421327600;thestringpuller;mircea_popescu: yea it'll be on the editor's desk today sometime. no use fighting sleep debt, which has been paid in full.
978230;1421327918;BingoBoingo;!up AaronvanW
978231;1421328066;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 69000 @ 0.00040974 = 28.2721 BTC [-] {2} 
978232;1421328076;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 69000 @ 0.00040974 = 28.2721 BTC [-] {2} 
978233;1421328336;BingoBoingo;https://www.reddit.com/r/ethereum/comments/2sagqu/since_bitcoin_has_lost_a_lot_of_value_since_the/cnnr6m9 << asciilifeform Buterin admits to waterfall
978234;1421328338;assbot;vbuterin comments on Since bitcoin has lost a lot of value since the crowdsale does this not affect the project in any way? ... ( http://bit.ly/1yfICLG )
978235;1421328343;BingoBoingo;!up viorels
978236;1421328804;davout;BingoBoingo: hah
978237;1421329090;mats;http://www.ams.org/notices/201502/rnoti-p165.pdf The Mathematics Community and the NSA
978238;1421329091;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/14DHJyp )
978239;1421329404;thestringpuller;BingoBoingo: kid has a lot to learn eh?
978240;1421329785;BingoBoingo;!up gabriel_laddel
978241;1421329789;gabriel_laddel;ty
978242;1421329794;BingoBoingo;!up sinetek
978243;1421329797;BingoBoingo;!up AaronvanW
978244;1421330085;gabriel_laddel;from The Mathematics Community and the NSA "Mathematician are leading the way to design and implement the algorithms that create this rising tide. Here we share many common interests with industry: e.g., big data analytics, cloud computing, machine learning and advanced search. So-called metadata (intelligence information that can be ascertained without examining the actual content of a communication) plays a big ro
978245;1421330085;gabriel_laddel;le here, as our governing rules generally do not permit deep inspection when the apertuse into our data set widens. Getting this right is paramount: the average NSA mathematician takes fourteen courses each yer to be up-to-date on the procedures that govern these activities."
978246;1421330117;gabriel_laddel;Because that is how you go about attracting the best mathematicians, big data and boring classes to keep up to date on the law.
978247;1421330143;davout;lol
978248;1421330168;gabriel_laddel;note however, the /average/ number of classes a year is 14.
978249;1421330194;gabriel_laddel;I've got to wonder if they draw straws and a few poor bastards get stuck taking all the classes.
978250;1421330237;Apocalyptic;mats, thanks for the link
978251;1421330384;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27600 @ 0.00041109 = 11.3461 BTC [+] {2} 
978252;1421330394;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27600 @ 0.00041109 = 11.3461 BTC [+] {2} 
978253;1421330567;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25800 @ 0.00042209 = 10.8899 BTC [+]
978254;1421330577;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25800 @ 0.00042209 = 10.8899 BTC [+]
978255;1421330610;gabriel_laddel;http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/b/bd/KeystoneKops.jpg
978256;1421330614;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1sCfHPk )
978257;1421331269;punkman;http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/world/2015/01/13/iceland-brewery-whale-testicle-beer/21714213/
978258;1421331910;BingoBoingo;!up gabriel_laddel
978259;1421332014;gabriel_laddel;I may have missed it in the logs, but is someone explicitly working on an assbot with gribble functionality or are we going to wait for wotnet / gossipd?
978260;1421332150;BingoBoingo;Seems to be the case
978261;1421332209;gabriel_laddel;BingoBoingo: It seems to be the case that we're waiting?
978262;1421332220;BingoBoingo;I didn't say that.
978263;1421332243;gabriel_laddel;BingoBoingo: Well I'm not sure how else to read that.
978264;1421332280;BingoBoingo;Well, there's the other clause in your question.
978265;1421332322;davout;wasn't kakobrekla working on sthg?
978266;1421332329;gabriel_laddel;well yes, but you're response doesn't clarify.
978267;1421332335;gabriel_laddel;*your
978268;1421332422;davout;i would clarify if i had clarity :)
978269;1421332432;BingoBoingo;!b 2
978270;1421332432;assbot;Last 2 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/0VWDJWZ.txt )
978271;1421332456;BingoBoingo;gabriel_laddel: Because I lack clarity too. But a something seems to be happening.
978272;1421334210;kakobrekla;yeah its almost complete.
978273;1421334374;jurov;eta 2 weeks
978274;1421334613;BingoBoingo;http://www.tedunangst.com/flak/post/some-gripes-about-nacl
978275;1421334614;assbot;some gripes about nacl ... ( http://bit.ly/1sCvRbi )
978276;1421334642;davout;jurov: you forgot the (tm)
978277;1421334667;davout;kakobrekla: the question now is *what* is almost complete :D
978278;1421334781;kakobrekla;asswot
978279;1421334908;BingoBoingo;!b 2
978280;1421334909;assbot;Last 2 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/362X0B9.txt )
978281;1421334954;BingoBoingo;!s bitcoin
978282;1421334955;assbot;23025 results for 'bitcoin' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=bitcoin
978283;1421334958;BingoBoingo;!s ass
978284;1421334959;assbot;1135 results for 'ass' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=ass
978285;1421334974;BingoBoingo;Huh, I thought that might be flipped
978286;1421334994;TomServo;Can you share any details?
978287;1421334998;BingoBoingo;!s ass*
978288;1421334999;assbot;280758 results for 'ass*' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=ass%2A
978289;1421335006;BingoBoingo;Ah, much better
978290;1421336128;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 10 @ 0.11329998 = 1.133 BTC [+] {3} 
978291;1421336128;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 10 @ 0.11329998 = 1.133 BTC [+] {3} 
978292;1421336293;mircea_popescu;http://www.buenosairesherald.com/article/179517/amia-prosecutor-accuses-cfk-timerman-of-covering-up-iran << argentina heating up.
978293;1421336295;assbot;AMIA prosecutor accuses CFK, Timerman of 'covering up' Iran's involvement in bombing - BuenosAiresHerald.com ... ( http://bit.ly/1sCD8bk )
978294;1421337027;thestringpuller;you get my reply mircea_popescu :P
978295;1421337034;mircea_popescu;mno
978296;1421337035;thestringpuller;via da logz
978297;1421337040;mircea_popescu;didnt look yet
978298;1421337080;thestringpuller;ah.
978299;1421337264;mircea_popescu;mats >> it's on qntra even.
978300;1421337335;mircea_popescu;gabriel_laddel: note however, the /average/ number of classes a year is 14. << i expect it's just a shortcut to pay them better.
978301;1421337358;mircea_popescu;gabriel_laddel: I may have missed it in the logs, but is someone explicitly working on an assbot with gribble functionality or are we going to wait for wotnet / gossipd? << kakobrekla has been, for a while now
978302;1421337452;mircea_popescu;davout: kakobrekla: the question now is *what* is almost complete :D << wot capabilit yintegration into assbot!
978303;1421337470;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 48381 @ 0.00043355 = 20.9756 BTC [+] {2} 
978304;1421337472;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 48381 @ 0.00043355 = 20.9756 BTC [+] {2} 
978305;1421337513;davout;mircea_popescu: http://www.quickmeme.com/img/54/5467b21bf2e9a7c44519e2728bb5aa86798e3b769ffa1545b6a1173897757ef9.jpg
978306;1421337514;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1sCHUFI )
978307;1421337637;mircea_popescu;thestringpuller ic!
978308;1421337649;mircea_popescu;news waits for no man, mr.
978309;1421337734;mircea_popescu;lol
978310;1421337740;mircea_popescu;@ ethereum reddit.
978311;1421337785;mats;http://www.wired.com/2014/12/finney-swat
978312;1421337788;assbot;An Extortionist Has Been Making Life Hell for Bitcoin's Earliest Adopters | WIRED ... ( http://bit.ly/1sCIS4M )
978313;1421337804;mircea_popescu;lolwut ?! finney was dead wasn't he ?!
978314;1421337865;davout;mircea_popescu: that was before he died
978315;1421337870;mircea_popescu;wow. i thought i had read eulogies and everything
978316;1421337871;mircea_popescu;oh
978317;1421337881;mircea_popescu;ty for that made my head spin for a minute
978318;1421337919;mircea_popescu;"Roger Ver, another early bitcoin adopter, believes he was victimized by the same person the week before the Finney family was swatted. That�s when someone using the names Nitrous and Savaged hacked into Ver�s email accounts and demanded that he cough up 37 bitcoins"
978319;1421337939;mircea_popescu;lmao roger ver is such an exercise in tramp
978320;1421337985;davout;mircea_popescu: x.eur pl0x
978321;1421337992;mircea_popescu;aye.
978322;1421338110;[]bot;Bet created: "Gold to drop under $900 before April 2015 " http://bitbet.us/bet/1105/
978323;1421338225;mats;http://uk.reuters.com/article/2015/01/15/uk-swiss-snb-cap-idUKKBN0KO0XV20150115
978324;1421338227;assbot;      Swiss central bank shocks markets with currency 'tsunami'| Reuters ... ( http://bit.ly/1sCKYla )
978325;1421338245;[]bot;Bet placed: 5 BTC for No on "Gold to drop under $900 before April 2015 " http://bitbet.us/bet/1105/ Odds: 0(Y):100(N) by coin, 0(Y):100(N) by weight. Total bet: 5.1 BTC. Current weight: 99,998.
978326;1421338338;mats;i wonder how they plan to manage domestic deflation
978327;1421338376;mircea_popescu;by not caring.
978328;1421338382;mircea_popescu;if you mean the swiss
978329;1421338407;davout;mats: in what way would it be a problem? exports?
978330;1421338475;mats;for the swiss, inflation is 0%, some interbank rates are negative, oil is falling, and this move will probably drop imports 10%+
978331;1421338524;mircea_popescu;they're too well integrated with euro to actually care.
978332;1421338781;danielpbarron;https://twitter.com/twobitidiot/status/555693914112663552
978333;1421338782;assbot;I know, I know, /hashtag/firstworldproblems?src=hash, but flying coach just blows. Thanks /hashtag/bitcoin?src=hash. (Then again, Miami awaits!)
978334;1421338842;mats;lol
978335;1421338846;BingoBoingo;http://qntra.net/2015/01/transaction-fees-and-the-future-of-bitcoin/
978336;1421338847;assbot;Transaction Fees and the Future of Bitcoin | Qntra.net ... ( http://bit.ly/1sCNPuq )
978337;1421338932;BingoBoingo;hanbot chetty Your qntra comments are up http://qntra.net/2015/01/pierre-omidyar-also-started-a-qntra-back-in-october-his-failed/#comment-7332
978338;1421338932;assbot;Pierre Omidyar also started a Qntra back in October. His failed. | Qntra.net ... ( http://bit.ly/1sCO9JL )
978339;1421339139;TomServo;Does scoopbot need to be replaced?  It seems to often be MIA.
978340;1421339800;mircea_popescu;davout shoulkd be there.
978341;1421339807;davout;tyvm
978342;1421339819;mircea_popescu;TomServo well ideally it'd have to be fixed,
978343;1421339827;mircea_popescu;but if that doesn't woirk i guess it'll have to be replaced.
978344;1421339849;mircea_popescu;ivreally wish people were a LOT more open with the problems they have. if there's one time to be all over this place, it's then.
978345;1421339879;mircea_popescu;the alternative of "it dun work and i'm mia" pretty much the worst possible approach.
978346;1421339886;TomServo;Oh - I thought it was working (aside from contravex), but just having trouble staying online.
978347;1421339900;mircea_popescu;i dunno anymore than you do on the topic.
978348;1421339903;mircea_popescu;just what i see in logs.
978349;1421339905;TomServo;If it just needs a more stable home I can probably help.
978350;1421339936;mircea_popescu;yeah but we dunno what it needs or what's going on, and so can't help.
978351;1421339941;TomServo;I forgot who ran it, but reach out if I can lend a hand!
978352;1421339954;mircea_popescu;i will next i see 'em.
978353;1421340109;BingoBoingo;http://www.theregister.co.uk/2015/01/15/danes_mull_session_logging_law_despite_eu_data_retention_ban/
978354;1421340110;assbot;Denmark mulls new EU-defying session-logging law • The Register     ... ( http://bit.ly/1sCTIb2 )
978355;1421340149;davout;TomServo: peterl runs it iirc
978356;1421340155;BingoBoingo;Now the Danish Parliament looks set to reintroduce the obligation, despite an evaluation of its effectiveness showing only one case out of around 24 trillion registrations where it had actually helped police
978357;1421340165;BingoBoingo;^ lulzy shit
978358;1421340179;mircea_popescu;lol
978359;1421340253;mircea_popescu;this pretense that shit like "denmark" even have the power to legislate.
978360;1421340275;mircea_popescu;gtfo, you're a municipal council. stick to peeling chewinggum off the sidewalk and debating what uniform to put the parking meter chicks in.
978361;1421340320;BingoBoingo;Silicon Valley http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2015/01/four-on-five-nba-basketball.html
978362;1421340322;assbot;The NBA’s Golden Age of Innovation Is Coming -- NYMag ... ( http://bit.ly/1ICxmui )
978363;1421340353;mircea_popescu;bwahaha
978364;1421340378;mircea_popescu;you know, the ironic bit here is that... ceausescu called his epic fail "epoca de aur". teh golden age of ballooning.
978365;1421340406;mircea_popescu;SNB Chairman Thomas Jordan denied at a news conference that the move amounted to a "panic reaction", saying the cap had been scrapped because it was unsustainable.  "If you decide to exit such a policy, you have to take the markets by surprise," Jordan said. << quite.
978366;1421340414;mircea_popescu;one can't maintain arbitrary caps like that.
978367;1421340415;TomServo;davout: Thanks, I'll drop a line.
978368;1421340422;mircea_popescu;one shouldn't even try, but hey.
978369;1421340459;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 151 @ 0.00689999 = 1.0419 BTC [+] {2} 
978370;1421340461;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 172 @ 0.00689999 = 1.1868 BTC [+] {3} 
978371;1421340509;mircea_popescu;""I've never seen such a drop in one go, it's huge. People will probably be buying euros, but also dollars and other currencies," said one UBS teller, after selling euros to a Russian client."
978372;1421340521;mircea_popescu;orly ? people are goinmg to BUY dollars because they're worthless ?
978373;1421340533;mircea_popescu;and are going to SELL stuff like RUB ? what "people" are these people ?
978374;1421340579;mircea_popescu;"Fitch's managing director of sovereign ratings Ed Parker said the move would not affect Switzerland's top-grade rating." ahahahaha jesus fucking christ.
978375;1421340599;mircea_popescu;tell me if it's going to affect the us's top rating, derps.
978376;1421340728;BingoBoingo;Three https://i.imgur.com/qvcVB6p.jpg
978377;1421340729;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1ICzCBH )
978378;1421341050;BingoBoingo;!up pete_dushenski
978379;1421341055;BingoBoingo;!up AaronvanW
978380;1421341086;davout;BingoBoingo: the third's face is creepy
978381;1421341091;pete_dushenski;guten morgen!
978382;1421341136;davout;ohai
978383;1421341136;BingoBoingo;davout: Deer probably find your "I'm fucking" face creepy too
978384;1421341218;davout;i never really had the occasion to make a butseks-a-guy-who-sekses-up-some-chick face so i guess that's an unknown for now
978385;1421341291;BingoBoingo;Well...
978386;1421341619;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 51704 @ 0.00044013 = 22.7565 BTC [+] {2} 
978387;1421341621;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 51704 @ 0.00044013 = 22.7565 BTC [+] {2} 
978388;1421342490;BingoBoingo;!up bigtip
978389;1421342494;BingoBoingo;!up viorels
978390;1421342595;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 45 @ 0.11772061 = 5.2974 BTC [+] {10} 
978391;1421342597;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 45 @ 0.11772061 = 5.2974 BTC [+] {10} 
978392;1421342899;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 2419 @ 0.00065799 = 1.5917 BTC [-]
978393;1421342901;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 2419 @ 0.00065799 = 1.5917 BTC [-]
978394;1421342960;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 4887 @ 0.00065799 = 3.2156 BTC [-] {2} 
978395;1421342962;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 4887 @ 0.00065799 = 3.2156 BTC [-] {2} 
978396;1421343144;mircea_popescu;http://trilema.com/2010/un-mic-exercitiu/ << so if anyone feels like delving into romanian, this is me doing journalism school in 2010. comments moar valuable htan article as per usual.
978397;1421343145;assbot;Un mic exercitiu. pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.  ... ( http://bit.ly/1xtmeas )
978398;1421343470;davout;mircea_popescu: at first i was like 'Be that as it may'
978399;1421343481;davout;but then 'Be that as it may, consider ca am cam obtinut ce am dorit prin comentariile(adevarat, exasperant de incalcite) prin care autorul completeaza sau clarifica unele sectiuni mai gri.'
978400;1421343693;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 4542 @ 0.00065799 = 2.9886 BTC [-] {3} 
978401;1421343695;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 4542 @ 0.00065799 = 2.9886 BTC [-] {3} 
978402;1421343769;mats;i have recently discovered grocery delivery
978403;1421343851;mats;it is amazeeng
978404;1421344494;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 60900 @ 0.00043472 = 26.4744 BTC [-]
978405;1421344546;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 60900 @ 0.00043472 = 26.4744 BTC [-]
978406;1421344594;*;mats preps a pound of walnuts for roasting with honey and cinnamon
978407;1421345121;mircea_popescu;davout it's right.
978408;1421345150;mats;;;ticker --market all
978409;1421345163;gribble;Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 218.23, vol: 91288.38996660 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 212.0, vol: 54412.72426 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 218.05, vol: 209279.78459044 | CampBX BTCUSD last: 219.71, vol: 41.24919397 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 211.4035, vol: 354868.10020000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 210.22177, vol: 158.71142587 | Bitcoin-Central BTCUSD last: 222.738329988, vol: 180.853045 | Volume-weighted last average: (1 more message)
978410;1421345684;ben_vulpes;buenas terroristas
978411;1421345710;mircea_popescu;"An individual who owned twenty feet in the Ophir mine before its great riches were revealed to men, traded it for a horse, and a very sorry looking brute he was, too. A year or so afterward, when Ophir stock went up to $3,000 a foot, this man, who had not a cent, used to say he was the most startling example of magnificence and misery the world had ever seen�because he was able to ride a sixty-thousand-dollar horse
978412;1421345710;mircea_popescu;�yet could not scrape up cash enough to buy a saddle, and was obliged to borrow one or ride bareback. He said if fortune were to give him another sixty-thousand-dollar horse it would ruin him."
978413;1421345726;mircea_popescu;check it out! kako's golf used to be a horse.
978414;1421345742;ben_vulpes;riding bareback's not *so* bad...
978415;1421345748;*;ben_vulpes never did it for more than a few hours tho
978416;1421345759;ben_vulpes;and i did have a blanket thinger
978417;1421345760;mircea_popescu;it's not feasible long term.
978418;1421345777;mircea_popescu;run both you and the horse bloody.
978419;1421345800;ben_vulpes;not good capital equipment maintenance.
978420;1421345803;ben_vulpes;man i want some horses!
978421;1421345814;ben_vulpes;that's capital equipment that makes more capital equipment.
978422;1421345827;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 240 @ 0.00522541 = 1.2541 BTC [-] {7} 
978423;1421345830;mircea_popescu;talk to davout iirc he was looking to start a farm.
978424;1421345835;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 240 @ 0.00522541 = 1.2541 BTC [-] {7} 
978425;1421345849;ben_vulpes;davout: doing it in france
978426;1421345881;ben_vulpes;in other news, i have to put up a notice to my employees that my company bears unemployment insurance. this is all standard practice, but it irks me that the responsibility for educating people about their rights falls to me.
978427;1421345890;ben_vulpes;it's this sneaky tax, basically.
978428;1421345905;ben_vulpes;"we're going to pass a law, and then make the people who actually get shit done teach the proles about it."
978429;1421345920;mircea_popescu;i have no idea what you imagine the point of a company is if not educate its workers.
978430;1421345929;ben_vulpes;er, worker's compensation. not unemployment.
978431;1421345940;ben_vulpes;we educate plenty!
978432;1421345968;ben_vulpes;but being told to educate on a thing of such triviality and irrelevance to the business is loathsome.
978433;1421345982;ben_vulpes;i must hang a poster.
978434;1421345985;mthreat;i think i've seen those in the bathroom
978435;1421345988;ben_vulpes;a vile red and blue poster.
978436;1421346004;mircea_popescu;so you're really after the political statement that it is a business owner's own right and privilege to educate whatever he sees fit, and the intermeddling of some "state" is at best unwelcome ?
978437;1421346006;mircea_popescu;sure.
978438;1421346022;mircea_popescu;how goes mthreat ?
978439;1421346030;mthreat;not bad
978440;1421346032;ben_vulpes;i must even make "reasonable precautions" against defacement of the poster.
978441;1421346037;mircea_popescu;saw teh flood ?
978442;1421346060;mthreat;not sure, in BsAs?
978443;1421346072;mircea_popescu;yeah, libertador was under a foot of water coupla days ago
978444;1421346078;mircea_popescu;suddenly the car was afloat lol.
978445;1421346078;mthreat;oh.. no I hadn't
978446;1421346093;BingoBoingo;<ben_vulpes> i must even make "reasonable precautions" against defacement of the poster. << sign under it that says "Do not deface poster" should both result in defaced posted while still counting as a reasonable precaution
978447;1421346100;mthreat;ya.. i've seen minor versions of that. drainage FTW
978448;1421346111;mircea_popescu;it can really pour here.
978449;1421346159;mthreat;flash floods are fairly common in central texas too
978450;1421346174;mthreat;people always trying to drive through it and drowning
978451;1421346249;mircea_popescu;lol. "o, there's a problem ? let's ignore it maybe it goes away".
978452;1421346254;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 69600 @ 0.00043275 = 30.1194 BTC [-] {2} 
978453;1421346254;mircea_popescu;college was not for naught!
978454;1421346266;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 69600 @ 0.00043275 = 30.1194 BTC [-] {2} 
978455;1421347864;[]bot;Bet placed: 1 BTC for No on "BTC >= $2,000 before March" http://bitbet.us/bet/1027/ Odds: 13(Y):87(N) by coin, 15(Y):85(N) by weight. Total bet: 12.05 BTC. Current weight: 14,021.
978456;1421347866;[]bot;Bet placed: 1 BTC for No on "Bitcoin to top 360$ before Feb" http://bitbet.us/bet/1102/ Odds: 14(Y):86(N) by coin, 13(Y):87(N) by weight. Total bet: 3.1 BTC. Current weight: 85,870.
978457;1421348263;ben_vulpes;<mircea_popescu> [] mebbe it has a crash on oyu. << ouch.
978458;1421348595;ben_vulpes;!up pete_dushenski
978459;1421348605;ben_vulpes;what's up with your keytuation?
978460;1421348606;pete_dushenski;ty ben!
978461;1421348624;pete_dushenski;uh nothing much
978462;1421348630;pete_dushenski;just waiting for assbot
978463;1421348653;pete_dushenski;that'll show those holiday-takers!
978464;1421348705;pete_dushenski;http://minnesota.cbslocal.com/2015/01/15/target-to-exit-canada/ << and gooood riddance!
978465;1421348706;assbot;Target To Exit Canada « CBS Minnesota ... ( http://bit.ly/1G2Lm2p )
978466;1421348817;pete_dushenski;there's no room in this town for a retailer that hangs its hat on faux francais pronunciation of its name
978467;1421348845;pete_dushenski;you don't see simon's pulling the nasal "n" card
978468;1421349206;pete_dushenski;anyone read bruce bueno de mesquita ?
978469;1421349237;pete_dushenski;he was recommended by a commenter on contravex and his writings looks to be pretty on point
978470;1421349244;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 9 @ 0.1198888 = 1.079 BTC [-] {2} 
978471;1421349255;pete_dushenski;*look
978472;1421349256;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 333 @ 0.12927546 = 43.0487 BTC [+] {13} 
978473;1421349304;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 324 @ 0.1295362 = 41.9697 BTC [+] {11} 
978474;1421349356;pete_dushenski;Some $12 trillion in new money has been created since the global financial crisis by the major central banks in a broad attempt to bolster hobbled banking systems, ease debt service and revive a damaged global economy. << deflation, surely, is right around the corner
978475;1421349395;mircea_popescu;terrorist redpiller pedophile racist
978476;1421349511;pete_dushenski;sounds aboot right
978477;1421349538;mircea_popescu;are you threatening me ?!?!
978478;1421349541;*;pete_dushenski goes to order some future contraband 
978479;1421349585;pete_dushenski;me? never!
978480;1421349603;mircea_popescu;i need progress for my bunghole
978481;1421349708;pete_dushenski;ya, it's smearing everywhere
978482;1421349713;pete_dushenski;quite the mess you've made
978483;1421349773;mircea_popescu;lol
978484;1421349780;asciilifeform;http://www.ams.org/notices/201502/rnoti-p165.pdf << required reading for all shitgnomologists. 'we're not sorry, but we're sorry we got caught.'
978485;1421349782;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/14DHJyp )
978486;1421349856;pete_dushenski;A man who portrayed himself as a member of a wealthy Pakistani family and was often seen driving luxury cars including a Ferrari faces sentencing in a multimillion-dollar investment scam involving three former Miami Heat players and the team itself. << as if the donald sterling shmozzle wasn't embarrassing enough for the nba
978487;1421349869;pete_dushenski;it's the the major pro sports in the us are trying to out-retard each other
978488;1421349896;pete_dushenski;"no our players and fans our stupider!"
978489;1421349922;mircea_popescu;lmao
978490;1421349926;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo writing up this one ?
978491;1421349951;asciilifeform;https://threatpost.com/new-strain-of-crowti-ransomware-moving-in-i2p-network/110416 << even crapware artists moving off tor
978492;1421349952;assbot;Crowti Cryptowall 3.0 Ransomware Moving in I2P Network | Threatpost | The first stop for security news ... ( http://bit.ly/1x6yEpQ )
978493;1421349993;mircea_popescu;lol
978494;1421350005;pete_dushenski;Zafar convinced Miller to give him $2.6 million, Lewis to give him $4 million and Jones to give him $1.5 million, all for an investment opportunity that Zafar said would "quickly obtain a significant return." But rather than reimburse the Miami Heat or three individuals, Zafar used the money "for his personal use and benefit,"
978495;1421350041;pete_dushenski;Zafar's attorney has said his client pleaded guilty to accept responsibility and move forward with his life. << he'd better. it also ties into this week's pleabargain convo
978496;1421350054;pete_dushenski;;;later tell BingoBoingo http://finance.yahoo.com/news/sentencing-scheduled-multimillion-dollar-miami-heat-fraud-061059671--finance.html
978497;1421350057;assbot;Sentencing scheduled in multimillion-dollar Miami Heat fraud - Yahoo Finance ... ( http://bit.ly/1x6z6EJ )
978498;1421350057;gribble;The operation succeeded.
978499;1421350668;ben_vulpes;!up pete_dushenski
978500;1421350686;pete_dushenski;merci!
978501;1421350726;ben_vulpes;de rien
978502;1421351017;pete_dushenski;through the first 11 months of 2014, Prius sales were down nearly 16% compared with the prior year.
978503;1421351023;pete_dushenski;but global warming!
978504;1421351037;pete_dushenski;"What happened? The short answer is: cheap gas prices."
978505;1421351047;pete_dushenski;"with $2 gas being commonplace, the Prius is only viewed as a smart financial choice by drivers “who stink at math.”"
978506;1421351081;pete_dushenski;" among other reasons, its fuel efficiency advantage over the competition has shrunk substantially, and Tesla has emerged as the green car of choice that’s not only environmentally friendly, but stylish and a rip-roaring hoot to drive as well."
978507;1421351089;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 10 @ 0.125 = 1.25 BTC [-]
978508;1421351092;pete_dushenski;"The cachet of the Prius has dissipated in the years since because,"
978509;1421351102;pete_dushenski;damn that shit's too funny
978510;1421351134;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 10 @ 0.125 = 1.25 BTC [-]
978511;1421351152;pete_dushenski;funny how clarkson called the prius out for being a poser's turd back in 07 or whatever
978512;1421351222;pete_dushenski;and pointed out that the battery required rare earths from all over creation and was therefore, cradle to cradle, less enviromentally conscientious
978513;1421351259;pete_dushenski;and now, go figure that clarkson is all wooed by the i8
978514;1421351401;thestringpuller;oh lookie lookie a pete_dushenski
978515;1421351416;pete_dushenski;heya
978516;1421351431;thestringpuller;having fun at degrassi jr. high?
978517;1421351431;thestringpuller;jkjk
978518;1421351454;thestringpuller;!up bigtip
978519;1421351501;danielpbarron;http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-30828694
978520;1421351503;assbot;BBC News - 'In dog we trust' misprint on US sheriff's office rug
978521;1421351505;pete_dushenski;thestringpuller me and drizzy ;)
978522;1421351623;thestringpuller;oh yea canadians do have drake
978523;1421351630;thestringpuller;i say he makes up for justin bieber
978524;1421351641;thestringpuller;so this chick was down here in the studio my friend interned at
978525;1421351665;thestringpuller;some 15 year old chick polow da don was trying to pimp (of throw's some d's on it fame)
978526;1421351681;thestringpuller;anyhow she was at one of Drake's parties and Bieber was there
978527;1421351693;thestringpuller;and Drake really doesn't like Bieber, but somehow kid shows up anywas
978528;1421351710;thestringpuller;So Drake starts rolling a blunt and won't pass it to Bieber
978529;1421351716;thestringpuller;and Bieber has a straight up temper trantrum
978530;1421351720;pete_dushenski;lol
978531;1421351731;pete_dushenski;men only
978532;1421351744;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 1921 @ 0.00063728 = 1.2242 BTC [-] {5} 
978533;1421351760;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 1921 @ 0.00063728 = 1.2242 BTC [-] {5} 
978534;1421351778;pete_dushenski;^amhash1 getting pretty close to 50% of ipo value.
978535;1421351783;pete_dushenski;has it been 6 months already?
978536;1421351833;thestringpuller;should be a metric of how quick Mining bonds depreciate in value
978537;1421351842;thestringpuller;or maybe there just shouldn't be mining bonds at all ~_~
978538;1421351860;pete_dushenski;so it looks like sony doesn't want to be the hardware company that goes down in horrible flames racing to the bottom
978539;1421351867;pete_dushenski;they're releasing a $1200 walkman!
978540;1421351881;pete_dushenski;150mb songs
978541;1421351899;pete_dushenski;for supah megah qualité
978542;1421351914;pete_dushenski;thestringpuller there is a metric, see trilema
978543;1421351922;pete_dushenski;50% in 6 months
978544;1421351924;pete_dushenski;:)
978545;1421351926;thestringpuller;XD
978546;1421351930;thestringpuller;which trilema
978547;1421351938;thestringpuller;as trilema is a library with no dewey decimal
978548;1421351942;pete_dushenski;mighta been pmb's
978549;1421351955;pete_dushenski;(perpetual mining bonds)
978550;1421352030;thestringpuller;that 1200 dollar walkman just looks like a glorified flac player
978551;1421352051;thestringpuller;wut 4. audiophiles rip vinyl to walkman?
978552;1421352117;pete_dushenski;mebbe
978553;1421352144;pete_dushenski;i mostly just like that it's at least trying to be premium
978554;1421352157;pete_dushenski;and not just in an lv gucci prada way
978555;1421352180;pete_dushenski;and why not rip vinyl to walkman?
978556;1421352192;pete_dushenski;not like you have a vinyl player in your camry
978557;1421352202;pete_dushenski;or at the coffee shop
978558;1421352209;pete_dushenski;or out on a walk
978559;1421352589;thestringpuller;lol
978560;1421352773;kakobrekla;in case you missed it
978561;1421352773;kakobrekla;https://charts.mql5.com/6/733/usdchf-h1-worth-ltd-venetfx.png
978562;1421352775;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1C5igLB )
978563;1421355118;cazalla;https://twitter.com/sarahjeong/status/555821164661321728 pretty lulzy if true
978564;1421355122;assbot;Defense's alternative theory seems to be that MARK KARPELES OF MT GOX and one other were the real DPR. /hashtag/SilkRoadTrial?src=hash
978565;1421355163;fluffypony;lol
978566;1421355175;fluffypony;Karpeles getting blamed for errthing
978567;1421355218;bitstein;https://twitter.com/a_greenberg/status/555827037488037889
978568;1421355219;assbot;To be clear, everyone, defense has NOT made the argument Mark Karpeles was DPR, instead got a DHS agent to admit he was a suspect
978569;1421355316;TomServo;wat, nowai
978570;1421355433;ben_vulpes;<mats> [] i have recently discovered grocery delivery << i like it too, except i just have lady v do it
978571;1421355526;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 3075 @ 0.00063401 = 1.9496 BTC [-]
978572;1421355542;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 3075 @ 0.00063401 = 1.9496 BTC [-]
978573;1421355563;thestringpuller;stop being a sexist ben_vulpes
978574;1421355705;ben_vulpes;baby girl's on payroll
978575;1421355714;ben_vulpes;chef, grocery shopper, dog walker
978576;1421355720;mats;you're cool
978577;1421355729;ben_vulpes;i ain't sexist
978578;1421355733;ben_vulpes;i'm an employah
978579;1421355763;kakobrekla;me too
978580;1421355768;kakobrekla;even got her a no-show job.
978581;1421355788;thestringpuller;what is a no show job?
978582;1421355809;mats;being on payroll without working
978583;1421355828;thestringpuller;so communism?
978584;1421355830;ben_vulpes;well it's my personal payroll as opposed to the company payroll, assholes
978585;1421355850;thestringpuller;so ben_vulpes lets his wife indulge in socialism?
978586;1421355862;ben_vulpes;but as soon as i figure out the non profit hustle in the states i'm going to get myself a lobbying job
978587;1421355869;mats;wat
978588;1421355911;ben_vulpes;thestringpuller: more like, i indulge in capitalism
978589;1421355916;mats;how much does a gigolo cost these days?
978590;1421355918;ben_vulpes;this involves buying what i want.
978591;1421355978;asciilifeform;lol, we all keep pets ?
978592;1421356069;ben_vulpes;husbandry, right up there in the list of ancient professions.
978593;1421356235;ben_vulpes;https://www.reddit.com/r/ethereum/comments/2sagqu/since_bitcoin_has_lost_a_lot_of_value_since_the/cnpxp80 << dafuq is CHF
978594;1421356238;assbot;vbuterin comments on Since bitcoin has lost a lot of value since the crowdsale does this not affect the project in any way? ... ( http://bit.ly/17Ms6ad )
978595;1421356347;kakobrekla;ben_vulpes swiss franc
978596;1421356359;kakobrekla;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-01-2015#978561
978597;1421356359;assbot;Logged on 15-01-2015 20:12:53; kakobrekla: https://charts.mql5.com/6/733/usdchf-h1-worth-ltd-venetfx.png
978598;1421356435;davout;good evening!
978599;1421356449;kakobrekla;^^ re chf, a few folks committed suicide today cause of it.
978600;1421356457;kakobrekla;and a few banks will close in the following months.
978601;1421356463;kakobrekla;they will try to hide it first.
978602;1421356486;kakobrekla;also some fx brokerages closed.
978603;1421356520;kakobrekla;like a nuke fell.
978604;1421356536;mircea_popescu;<assbot> BBC News - 'In dog we trust' misprint on US sheriff's office rug << aww that';s so cute
978605;1421356551;davout;kakobrekla: dat swan. such black.
978606;1421356572;kakobrekla;hehe
978607;1421356597;mircea_popescu;but is it driving adoption ?
978608;1421356634;davout;there was antonopoulos' ama on the driving adoption side
978609;1421356637;davout;:D
978610;1421356638;kakobrekla;well, there will be more orphans so i perhaps more adoptions
978611;1421356641;mircea_popescu;"our plan to drive adoption is twofold : first, make a lot of people off themselves. their thus orphaned offspring, will, necessarily, be adopted. we will endeavour to drive as many as possible, but some might have to walk."
978612;1421356652;davout;first question: "waddaya think about block size"
978613;1421356652;kakobrekla;-i
978614;1421356678;mircea_popescu;davout this because clearly the fork won't fail, but contrairiwise
978615;1421356707;davout;he said things should be fixed when they actually become a problem
978616;1421356725;mircea_popescu;not bad for a dead man.
978617;1421356728;davout;aka "next question please"
978618;1421356766;mircea_popescu;so what, o'reilly smelled the gunpowder and is splitting from the scam foundation ? or are they actually yielding in corpore but still trying to protect gavin's head from my platter ?
978619;1421356869;mircea_popescu;cazalla: pretty lulzy if true  << not as much a matter of true as a matter of holy shit, that trial will be a coin toss. http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=14-01-2015#976369 still curtious on that point.
978620;1421356869;assbot;Logged on 14-01-2015 00:16:10; mircea_popescu: i wonder if all the bumbling to date was simply baiting "the people" into expensive failure.
978621;1421356897;davout;meanwhile, bitcoin foundation's executive director on twitter... https://twitter.com/virtuallylaw/status/555829864075243521
978622;1421356899;assbot;/petertoddbtc got it. I'd take it with many grains of salt. That would be nuts...
978623;1421356917;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes: chef, grocery shopper, dog walker <<< burlesque dancer, escort ?
978624;1421357227;ben_vulpes;does escort me around myeah :D
978625;1421357722;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19841 @ 0.00042713 = 8.4747 BTC [-] {2} 
978626;1421357738;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19841 @ 0.00042713 = 8.4747 BTC [-] {2} 
978627;1421358210;ben_vulpes;http://www.nakedcapitalism.com/2015/01/the-failure-of-a-past-basic-income-guarantee-the-speenhamland-system.html?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+NakedCapitalism+%28naked+capitalism%29 << i fail to see how a guaranteed payment would be inflationary but a guaranteed job not
978628;1421358213;assbot;The Failure of a Past Basic Income Guarantee, the Speenhamland System | naked capitalism ... ( http://bit.ly/1IE1wNB )
978629;1421358370;ben_vulpes;http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/wonkblog/wp/2015/01/14/bitcoin-is-revealed-a-ponzi-scheme-for-redistributing-wealth-from-one-libertarian-to-another/ << derpy but sorta interesting points in the third to last pp
978630;1421358371;assbot;Bitcoin revealed: a Ponzi scheme for redistributing wealth from one libertarian to another - The Washington Post ... ( http://bit.ly/1IE2b1u )
978631;1421358397;davout;http://fr.anco.is/2015/01/15/x-eur-january-15th-2015-statement/
978632;1421358398;assbot;X.EUR January 15th 2015 statement | fr.anco.is ... ( http://bit.ly/1IE2dql )
978633;1421358460;davout;so far the best investment in january: +64%
978634;1421358465;asciilifeform;^ again repeats the 'no inherent value' crock of shit
978635;1421358529;kakobrekla;cadchf -40% in 1h total ponzy.
978636;1421358582;kakobrekla;no article about that eh.
978637;1421358944;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 44550 @ 0.00042338 = 18.8616 BTC [-]
978638;1421358960;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 44550 @ 0.00042338 = 18.8616 BTC [-]
978639;1421359109;asciilifeform;http://arstechnica.com/security/2014/01/nsa-employee-will-continue-to-co-chair-influential-crypto-standards-group << mega-lol
978640;1421359110;assbot;NSA employee will continue to co-chair influential crypto standards group | Ars Technica ... ( http://bit.ly/1IE5DcG )
978641;1421359635;kakobrekla;o looks like ukto/ukyo is in jail
978642;1421359649;kakobrekla;twist: not for bitcoin fraud.
978643;1421359760;kakobrekla;some wtf here: http://www.dnainfo.com/new-york/20150113/long-island-city/bitcoin-trader-accused-of-murder-was-tied-up-coerced-sell-stocks-da
978644;1421359762;assbot;Bitcoin Trader Accused of Murder Says He Was Tied Up, Forced to Sell Stocks - Astoria - DNAinfo.com New York ... ( http://bit.ly/1IE8rGJ )
978645;1421360070;jurov;^ that's about ukyo?
978646;1421360103;kakobrekla;afaik not
978647;1421360111;thestringpuller;where is the utko news then?
978648;1421360113;thestringpuller;~_~
978649;1421360136;joecool;;;gpg info ukyo
978650;1421360136;gribble;No such user registered.
978651;1421360145;thestringpuller;;;gpg info utko
978652;1421360146;gribble;No such user registered.
978653;1421360149;thestringpuller;;;gpg info ukto
978654;1421360149;gribble;User 'ukto', with keyid 61D2F81E4BFEEF11, fingerprint 004467FBE2285A57978AA34A61D2F81E4BFEEF11, and bitcoin address None, registered on Tue Jun 14 22:19:01 2011, last authed on Sun Sep  4 11:57:45 2011. http://b-otc.com/vg?nick=ukto . Currently not authenticated.
978655;1421360630;kakobrekla;re ukto news is from tardstalk https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=348468.msg9845674#msg9845674
978656;1421360631;assbot;[BitFunder] Moving Forward/Resolution Process ... ( http://bit.ly/1IEbYEK )
978657;1421360641;kakobrekla;a month old.
978658;1421361322;kakobrekla;anyway bbl.
978659;1421362213;jurov;"After taking the rate into negative territory last month for the first time since the 1970s, it cut another 0.5 percentage points on Thursday to -0.75 percent"
978660;1421362228;jurov;"it cut"
978661;1421364443;ben_vulpes;first
978662;1421364447;thestringpuller;:P
978663;1421364464;thestringpuller;second
978664;1421365349;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 49853 @ 0.0004248 = 21.1776 BTC [+]
978665;1421365355;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 49853 @ 0.0004248 = 21.1776 BTC [+]
978666;1421365382;mircea_popescu;https://i.imgur.com/OEC7s6Y.jpg << check out "the man responsible" lolz
978667;1421365383;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1E5FnFs )
978668;1421365592;mircea_popescu;lol gotta love the forum derps. "o hai we're here in the swamp isolated from the goings on in bitcoin. how come we have nfi what's going on ???"
978669;1421365595;mircea_popescu;uh i dunno...
978670;1421365935;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes i fail to see how a guaranteed payment would be inflationary but a guaranteed job not << depends on the definition of guaranteed job. guaranteed payments are always inflationary - that's the very definition of inflation : payment without a counterprestation. jobs however can be guaranteed in such a way that prestation is at the same time guaranteed, at least theoretically.
978671;1421365958;mircea_popescu;consider my alt economy where the currency is teeth. every person can be guaranteed a job as selftooth extractor, paying 30 teeth over their lifetime.
978672;1421365976;mircea_popescu;now, irl the cow's not spherical nor does it live in a vacuum, but hey.
978673;1421366051;mircea_popescu;washington post article is especially niggardly, which is what one'd expect from the vanguard of us socialism. "o noes, if you look at just this portion of the graph, bitcoin has been falling".
978674;1421366065;mircea_popescu;guess what, by the same measure apple, ibm, the us fed and washington post stock are all ponzi schemes.
978675;1421366171;mircea_popescu;http://finance.yahoo.com/echarts?s=GHC+Interactive#symbol=GHC;range=1y look at that, from 900 to 500!
978676;1421366173;assbot;GHC Interactive Stock Chart | Yahoo! Inc. Stock - Yahoo! Finance ... ( http://bit.ly/1y3cj0q )
978677;1421366205;mircea_popescu;Matt O'Brien is a reporter for Wonkblog covering economic affairs. He was previously a senior associate editor at The Atlantic. He is also an idiot soon to be permanently unemployed.
978678;1421366285;mircea_popescu;kakobrekla: cadchf -40% in 1h total ponzy. << well... that's a point there, canada totally is a ponzi scheme.
978679;1421366350;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform i don't get it, in what sense is CFRG/ietf influential ?
978680;1421366373;mircea_popescu;gavin isn't quitting the scam foundation either, and obviously the msm would present it as "influential". what's it influence, reddit ?
978681;1421366451;*;cazalla waves fists at scoopbot
978682;1421366453;cazalla;http://qntra.net/2015/01/its-easy-to-call-us-a-tiny-minority-when-you-engage-in-vote-manipulation/
978683;1421366453;assbot;It's Easy To Call Us A Tiny Minority When You Engage In Vote Manipulation | Qntra.net ... ( http://bit.ly/1y3d8Xc )
978684;1421366548;mircea_popescu;easy, but unproductive.
978685;1421366559;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: http://datatracker.ietf.org/wg << 'influential' in the sense of perfect position for slow and subtle shitgnomification of various protocols
978686;1421366563;assbot;Active IETF Working Groups ... ( http://bit.ly/1y3dxZs )
978687;1421366630;asciilifeform;http://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/cfrg/current/msg03554.html << for n00bs
978688;1421366631;assbot;[Cfrg] Requesting removal of CFRG co-chair ... ( http://bit.ly/1y3dJbg )
978689;1421366732;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform i don't know anyone is actually using their protocols for serious work anymore than anyone'd be using the foundation crapolade for any serious work.
978690;1421366734;assbot;xiando +v failed; L1: 0, L2: 0
978691;1421366809;thestringpuller;Dr. Popescu
978692;1421366821;mircea_popescu;It was a driving, vigorous, restless population in those days. It was a curious population. It was the only population of the kind that the world has ever seen gathered together, and it is not likely that the world will ever see its like again. For observe, it was an assemblage of two hundred thousand young men�not simpering, dainty, kid-gloved weaklings, but stalwart, muscular, dauntless young braves, brimful of pus
978693;1421366821;mircea_popescu;h and energy, and royally endowed with every attribute that goes to make up a peerless and magnificent manhood�the very pick and choice of the world's glorious ones. No women, no children, no gray and stooping veterans,�none but erect, bright-eyed, quick-moving, strong-handed young giants�the strangest population, the finest population, the most gallant host that ever trooped down the startled solitudes of an unp
978694;1421366822;mircea_popescu;eopled land. And where are they now? Scattered to the ends of the earth�or prematurely aged and decrepit�or shot or stabbed in street affrays�or dead of disappointed hopes and broken hearts�all gone, or nearly all�victims devoted upon the altar of the golden calf�the noblest holocaust that ever wafted its sacrificial incense heavenward. It is pitiful to think upon.
978695;1421366823;Apocalyptic;cazalla, "That that article"
978696;1421366827;mircea_popescu;It was a splendid population�for all the slow, sleepy, sluggish-brained sloths staid at home�you never find that sort of people among pioneers�you cannot build pioneers out of that sort of material. It was that population that gave to California a name for getting up astounding enterprises and rushing them through with a magnificent dash and daring and a recklessness of cost or consequences, which she bears unto
978697;1421366834;mircea_popescu;this day�and when she projects a new surprise, the grave world smiles as usual, and says "Well, that is California all over."
978698;1421366837;mircea_popescu;check it out! i found what vc's are trying to live off today! a ~150 year old corpse!
978699;1421366874;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 396 @ 0.00676765 = 2.68 BTC [+] {6} 
978700;1421366880;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 400 @ 0.00676947 = 2.7078 BTC [+] {6} 
978701;1421366889;cazalla;Apocalyptic, reads OK to me
978702;1421366922;mircea_popescu;PeterL ppl's be bitching bout scoopbot all day. wha happened ?
978703;1421366943;PeterL;dunno, seems it lost its connection to irc
978704;1421366960;PeterL;TomServo here?
978705;1421367061;Apocalyptic;myeah, altought it's not the most fortunate sentence construction
978706;1421367111;ben_vulpes;http://internet.gawker.com/silk-road-trial-defense-says-mt-gox-ceo-is-the-real-d-1679786377/+maxread << (internet.gawker.com???)
978707;1421367112;assbot;Silk Road Trial: Defense Says Mt. Gox CEO Is the Real Drug Lord  ... ( http://bit.ly/1E5JTnh )
978708;1421367139;mircea_popescu;they revolutionized the www
978709;1421367141;mircea_popescu;such lulz
978710;1421367179;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 174 @ 0.00699999 = 1.218 BTC [+] {6} 
978711;1421367186;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 185 @ 0.00699999 = 1.295 BTC [+] {6} 
978712;1421367240;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 178 @ 0.00699999 = 1.246 BTC [+] {6} 
978713;1421367246;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 166 @ 0.00699999 = 1.162 BTC [+] {5} 
978714;1421367668;Apocalyptic;"Der-Yeghiayan testified that his own investigation had found that Mutum Sigilum, a Karpeles holding company, had registered silkroadmarket.org as a means to publicize the site further."
978715;1421367778;mircea_popescu;Something very important happened. The property holders of Nevada voted against the State Constitution; but the folks who had nothing to lose were in the majority, and carried the measure over their heads. But after all it did not immediately look like a disaster, though unquestionably it was one I hesitated, calculated the chances, and then concluded not to sell. Stocks went on rising; speculation went mad; bankers, m
978716;1421367778;mircea_popescu;erchants, lawyers, doctors, mechanics, laborers, even the very washerwomen and servant girls, were putting up their earnings on silver stocks, and every sun that rose in the morning went down on paupers enriched and rich men beggared. What a gambling carnival it was! Gould and Curry soared to six thousand three hundred dollars a foot! And then�all of a sudden, out went the bottom and everything and everybody went to
978717;1421367779;mircea_popescu;ruin and destruction! The wreck was complete.
978718;1421367781;mircea_popescu;The bubble scarcely left a microscopic moisture behind it. I was an early beggar and a thorough one. My hoarded stocks were not worth the paper they were printed on. I threw them all away. I, the cheerful idiot that had been squandering money like water, and thought myself beyond the reach of misfortune, had not now as much as fifty dollars when I gathered together my various debts and paid them. I removed from the hot
978719;1421367786;mircea_popescu;el to a very private boarding house. I took a reporter's berth and went to work. I was not entirely broken in spirit, for I was building confidently on the sale of the silver mine in the east. But I could not hear from Dan. My letters miscarried or were not answered.
978720;1421367797;mircea_popescu;what a fortunate thing it is that in bitcoin, unlike in the united states, men with no means have no vote.
978721;1421367961;thestringpuller;stop disenfranching the poor mircea_popescu
978722;1421368018;mircea_popescu;im not disenfranchising them. i merely don't value their arbitrary enfranchisement more than i value a paper fixing new orbits for the solar system.
978723;1421368106;thestringpuller;but don't you want more adoption?!?
978724;1421368129;PeterL;when they adopt bitcoin they gets some say
978725;1421368343;TomServo;PeterL: Allo
978726;1421368348;PeterL;allo
978727;1421368397;PeterL;you say you might be able to help with hosting scoopbot?
978728;1421368410;TomServo;Sure
978729;1421369192;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27300 @ 0.00042932 = 11.7204 BTC [+] {3} 
978730;1421369198;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27300 @ 0.00042932 = 11.7204 BTC [+] {3} 
978731;1421369427;thestringpuller;!b 4
978732;1421369428;assbot;Last 4 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/3AZFKA2.txt )
978733;1421370139;BingoBoingo;https://twitter.com/johndalton/status/555825090168762368
978734;1421370140;assbot;"Some people think I'm nice & are shocked when they find out different. I'm not a nice person, & I don't care about you." --Linus /hashtag/lca2015?src=hash
978735;1421370239;mircea_popescu;guy gets it.
978736;1421370942;scoopbot;New post on Trilema by Mircea Popescu: http://trilema.com/2015/what-does-desperation-look-like/
978737;1421370950;mircea_popescu;o wb scoopbot
978738;1421370956;mircea_popescu;PeterL wha was the issue with it ?
978739;1421370967;PeterL;I'm still trying to figure out
978740;1421370999;PeterL;yesterday my host went down, not sure why bot stopped today
978741;1421371013;PeterL;I'm going to try hacking in an autorestart again
978742;1421371024;mircea_popescu;if you can use cpanel i can set you up momentarily.
978743;1421371043;PeterL;oh?
978744;1421371052;mircea_popescu;sure ?
978745;1421371061;mircea_popescu;all you gotta do is ask and generally, explain what the problems are you know.
978746;1421371144;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31187 @ 0.00042338 = 13.204 BTC [-]
978747;1421371150;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31187 @ 0.00042338 = 13.204 BTC [-]
978748;1421371164;thestringpuller;mircea_popescu: seems to work better as time goes on and more resources are available :P
978749;1421371175;thestringpuller;except sleep
978750;1421371180;thestringpuller;can't seem to get enough of that
978751;1421371185;mircea_popescu;:)
978752;1421371205;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5250 @ 0.00042064 = 2.2084 BTC [-]
978753;1421371211;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5250 @ 0.00042064 = 2.2084 BTC [-]
978754;1421371766;thestringpuller;ben_vulpes: i'm addicted to docker
978755;1421371773;thestringpuller;trying to learn how to run supervisord
978756;1421373462;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21500 @ 0.00042143 = 9.0607 BTC [+] {2} 
978757;1421373468;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21500 @ 0.00042143 = 9.0607 BTC [+] {2} 
978758;1421373520;asciilifeform;'fun' discovery of the day. freebsd 'tmpfs' created under kernel built with gcc will not be mounted by kernel built with llvm.
978759;1421373563;asciilifeform;this is (almost certainly, i did not check but it seems like a no-brainer) on account of those parts of c which are not in fact standardized in any meaningful way (e.g., 'pragmas' for struct and bitfield layout)
978760;1421373605;asciilifeform;ergo llvm is a piece of shit, though it works and is internally consistent (presumably) - by the same logic, i would argue, as 'gavincoin' is a spurious turd
978761;1421373646;asciilifeform;in that it presents as meeting a certain set of expectations, which are violated six times every morning before breakfast, and rest assured the authors will say 'no matter'
978762;1421373725;asciilifeform;incidentally, this is an issue first documented in (afaik, at least as early as) 2011, and remains unpatched. because actually fixing would require that one side 'surrender'
978763;1421373734;asciilifeform;i.e., accept the layouts of the other.
978764;1421373769;asciilifeform;very interestingly, there is scarcely any discussion of this matter on the net, besides two or three single-paragraph forum posts.
978765;1421374221;ben_vulpes;thestringpuller: no!
978766;1421374224;ben_vulpes;no supervisord
978767;1421374231;ben_vulpes;one process per container
978768;1421374240;ben_vulpes;docker run -d to daemonize the proc in container
978769;1421374249;BingoBoingo;!up moldysnizz
978770;1421374286;moldysnizz;Well, hi there.
978771;1421374414;BingoBoingo;!up mike_c
978772;1421374428;mike_c;down, down! first time in forever i can auth myself :)
978773;1421374449;BingoBoingo;!down mike_c
978774;1421374461;mike_c;ah, nice to have all the robots back.
978775;1421375147;BingoBoingo;https://twitter.com/olivierjanss/status/555889044618346498
978776;1421375149;assbot;I have black on white proof of Mark Karpeles making multiple death threats against an ex-employee. So does Japanese police. /hashtag/RossUlbricht?src=hash
978777;1421375264;ben_vulpes;(black and white, but whatever)
978778;1421375291;BingoBoingo;Make be the proof really is black on white.
978779;1421375337;Apocalyptic;funny thing
978780;1421375344;Apocalyptic;"<mtgox555> [03:19:56] Ashley Barr is a guy who worked at MtGox who lived in (White Rock) Vancouver. DPR is quoted to wanting a guy in White Rock murdered"
978781;1421375439;BingoBoingo;o.O
978782;1421375517;Apocalyptic;ben_vulpes, he's french
978783;1421375540;ben_vulpes;shitty excuse if you ask me
978784;1421375544;Apocalyptic;probably a literal translation of "noir sur blanc" as the idiomatic expression goes
978785;1421375566;ben_vulpes;no but you see american english is the only english
978786;1421375605;Apocalyptic;you're a language terrorist nao ?
978787;1421375634;cazalla;mircea_popescu, BingoBoingo, sent each of you an email
978788;1421376442;mircea_popescu;<asciilifeform>  'pragmas' for struct and bitfield layout << struct fo sho
978789;1421376505;mircea_popescu;cool deal cazalla
978790;1421376947;mircea_popescu;PeterL: X-Failed-Recipients: peter-at-btcscoop.com
978791;1421376972;mircea_popescu;otherwise, http://pastebin.com/t9UKJGfx
978792;1421376973;assbot;-----BEGIN PGP MESSAGE-----  Version: GnuPG v1.4.10 (GNU/Linux)    hQQOAy/yVjmzb - Pastebin.com ... ( http://bit.ly/1Bzjw9R )
978793;1421377379;BingoBoingo;https://twitter.com/a_greenberg/status/555869373764608002
978794;1421377381;assbot;By the way, here's my 2013 interview with Silk Road's DPR that the DHS told a judge "sounds very much like Karpeles" http://t.co/ZFOtAXLbXL
978795;1421377383;BingoBoingo;!up pete_dushenski
978796;1421377455;pete_dushenski;thx!
978797;1421377531;thestringpuller;yay for canadians
978798;1421377552;thestringpuller;pete_dushenski: south park-ified would have an egg head lol
978799;1421377561;thestringpuller;"canadian head" like ike
978800;1421377564;pete_dushenski;the ponziest of lands!
978801;1421377590;pete_dushenski;stupid chf! thx for blowing our cover guise!
978802;1421377611;mircea_popescu;well... you got a pension system right ? just like the us ?
978803;1421377616;mircea_popescu;that's a ponzi right there.
978804;1421377631;pete_dushenski;thestringpuller now there would be a caricature :)
978805;1421377643;pete_dushenski;pension and then some
978806;1421377654;BingoBoingo;http://arstechnica.com/business/2015/01/linus-torvalds-on-why-he-isnt-nice-i-dont-care-about-you/
978807;1421377655;assbot;Linus Torvalds on why he isn’t nice: “I don’t care about you” | Ars Technica ... ( http://bit.ly/1ub3rRp )
978808;1421377715;pete_dushenski;mircea_popescu so naturally the fees on canada's pension scheme have been escalating of late. it was once 1% of income, now up to 4% or something
978809;1421377727;*;mircea_popescu not about to click on more arstechnica etc. qntra or bust.
978810;1421377824;joecool;BingoBoingo: put it up again in a week when buzzfeed gets it
978811;1421377864;pete_dushenski;http://www.contravex.com/2015/01/15/knowing-when-to-head-for-the-exits-is-how-the-rich-stay-rich/
978812;1421377865;assbot;Knowing when to head for the exits is how the rich stay rich. | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski ... ( http://bit.ly/1ub3Int )
978813;1421377925;BingoBoingo;!up btcgrok
978814;1421377929;mircea_popescu;pete_dushenski best header so far.
978815;1421377931;mircea_popescu;by far.
978816;1421377955;mircea_popescu;make VEX allcaps ultrathick.
978817;1421377978;mircea_popescu;and get rid of that idiotic one inch white atop the header.
978818;1421377986;pete_dushenski;the colour pops eh? but ya, the "vex" is too quiet...
978819;1421377996;decimation;asciilifeform: what does it mean that Dr. Wertheimer decided to post his 'apology'  in the AMS journal?
978820;1421378121;asciilifeform;decimation: nsa is the largest employer of folks with any type of maths degree in usa.
978821;1421378136;asciilifeform;decimation: whether this constitutes 'meaning' - i do not know.
978822;1421378176;decimation;so this is a tacit admission that they can't hire anymore?
978823;1421378200;ben_vulpes;http://www.businessinsider.com/spacex-problem-falcon9-crash-landing-2015-1 << why are hydraulic actuators losing fluid?
978824;1421378202;assbot;SpaceX Problem Falcon9 Crash Landing - Business Insider ... ( http://bit.ly/1ub4fWp )
978825;1421378205;asciilifeform;decimation: unlikely
978826;1421378225;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes bad gaskets ?
978827;1421378249;ben_vulpes;https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/554023312033341440 << engineering?
978828;1421378250;assbot;/alankerlin Hydraulics are usually closed, but that adds mass vs short acting open systems. F9 fins only work for 4 mins. We were ~10% off.
978829;1421378258;ben_vulpes;if you have to carry the shit use on the way down, why...
978830;1421378265;ben_vulpes;perhaps the add'l costs of sealed systems?
978831;1421378313;ben_vulpes;grid fins are interesting.
978832;1421378338;decimation;actually if the rocket lands 'face up', won't the fins be facing the 'wrong way'?
978833;1421378345;decimation;seems like you would want vectored thrust
978834;1421378351;ben_vulpes;these fins are at the top of the stage.
978835;1421378361;decimation;ah interesting
978836;1421378369;ben_vulpes;passively stable control problem.
978837;1421378415;ben_vulpes;decimation: i think they *do* have vectored thrust, but the relight operation is risky and adds complexity to reentry trajectory.
978838;1421378459;thestringpuller;ben_vulpes: docker is like being a kid at christmas all over again
978839;1421378466;thestringpuller;what base image do you use for python apps?
978840;1421378497;ben_vulpes;debian:6
978841;1421378498;ben_vulpes;(hue)
978842;1421378506;ben_vulpes;ubuntu, typically.
978843;1421378517;ben_vulpes;if biting off the braindamage, why not eat all layers of the cake.
978844;1421378521;decimation;ben_vulpes: ah, it seems they also have external retrorockets
978845;1421378530;decimation;probably solid fuel
978846;1421378541;ben_vulpes;decimation: "probably" << based on what?
978847;1421378561;ben_vulpes;SRBs are not (afaik) extinguishable, relightable or throttleable.
978848;1421378572;ben_vulpes;this leaves you with vectoring which is...not really enough for the task at hand.
978849;1421378601;decimation;from your article: "In September 2013, SpaceX successfully fired boosters as the rocket fell to Earth, slowing it down so it could land softly."
978850;1421378611;decimation;so I interpret 'boosters' as 'external retro packs'
978851;1421378617;decimation;but the guy who wrote it could be a 'tard
978852;1421378655;ben_vulpes;decimation: which link?
978853;1421378662;decimation;the businessinsider article
978854;1421378683;ben_vulpes;hm
978855;1421378714;ben_vulpes;i'm only seeing two occurences of the string "slow" and neither in the context you quoted.
978856;1421378714;decimation;oh wait, I"m looking at a different article http://www.businessinsider.com/spacex-reuseable-falcon-9-ocean-landing-2014-12
978857;1421378715;assbot;SpaceX Reuseable Falcon 9 Ocean Landing - Business Insider ... ( http://bit.ly/1ub56X3 )
978858;1421378717;mircea_popescu;of course that'd be exactly opposite of boosting.
978859;1421378726;ben_vulpes;hush you, it's a sign change.
978860;1421378730;mircea_popescu;heh.
978861;1421378730;decimation;indeed
978862;1421378758;mircea_popescu;npw i finally understand what they mean by boosting the economy.
978863;1421378760;mircea_popescu;busting.
978864;1421378762;decimation;http://www.spacex.com/news/2013/10/14/upgraded-falcon-9-mission-overview < that link describes the actual relight sequence for the inital test
978865;1421378763;assbot;Upgraded Falcon 9 Mission Overview | SpaceX ... ( http://bit.ly/1ub5apI )
978866;1421378769;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31863 @ 0.00043105 = 13.7345 BTC [+]
978867;1421378775;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31863 @ 0.00043105 = 13.7345 BTC [+]
978868;1421378795;ben_vulpes;read the linked article, decimation
978869;1421378824;ben_vulpes;business insider is, unsurprisingly, unable to parse straightforward rocket engineering reports.
978870;1421378840;ben_vulpes;a) not a booster
978871;1421378860;ben_vulpes;b) leave britney alone
978872;1421378948;mircea_popescu;i dunno why you ppls keep reading/linking this crud, srsly. they're broken, we know they're broken... i guess it's decent comedy
978873;1421378967;ben_vulpes;who's broken? what's broken?
978874;1421378974;mircea_popescu;business outsider.
978875;1421378992;mircea_popescu;arsderpica.
978876;1421379001;mircea_popescu;faker. whatever.
978877;1421379013;ben_vulpes;they do quote reddit as sources now
978878;1421379028;ben_vulpes;asciilifeform, mircea_popescu: https://github.com/urbit/sample-apps
978879;1421379030;assbot;urbit/sample-apps · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1ub5xk5 )
978880;1421379034;decimation;lol.  yeah I wish I knew wtf this 'leaking fluid' stuff means
978881;1421379097;ben_vulpes;decimation: i don't think it's "leaking" so much as it's not a traditional "closed" hydraulic system.
978882;1421379134;ben_vulpes;cursory research indicates that pressurization during powered flight comes from the onboard turbopump and that when not under powered flight there's some pressure reservoir.
978883;1421379140;ben_vulpes;turns out, pv=nrt is tricky in practice.
978884;1421379143;ben_vulpes;10%!
978885;1421379180;decimation;okay so there's a pre-pressurized tank that is at the top of the rocket, it runs out of pressure after pissing out its fluid
978886;1421379183;decimation;make seense
978887;1421379184;mircea_popescu;10% is skill kind-of a lot.
978888;1421379205;mircea_popescu;seeing how you could overfill.
978889;1421379226;decimation;well, the problem is that every ounce of that tank costs $$$
978890;1421379307;mircea_popescu;generally you can overfill any tankb y 10%
978891;1421379319;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: the urbit samples seem to consist of 'hello world'-style toys
978892;1421379331;mircea_popescu;what's it gonna do, write its senator about it ?
978893;1421379383;decimation;asciilifeform: moldbug hasn't make something 'useful' of urbit yet?
978894;1421379396;undata;what a terrifying syntax
978895;1421379400;*;decimation tried to run urbit after it was publicized, got tired of the entire world collapsing every other day
978896;1421379401;asciilifeform;decimation: he made something very useful, from own point of view: a few $mil usd.
978897;1421379420;decimation;heh.  from some theilite?
978898;1421379476;asciilifeform;decimation: andresen horowitz, iirc
978899;1421379506;ben_vulpes;https://raw.githubusercontent.com/urbit/sample-apps/master/blazon/app/blazon/core.hook << undata indeed
978900;1421379507;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1KP4y3x )
978901;1421379581;undata;holy operator hell
978902;1421379602;undata;then you'd have to memorize their goofy names for things too
978903;1421379609;undata;reminds me of the ruby ass-dungeon
978904;1421379626;ben_vulpes;why this obsession with new programming languages
978905;1421379646;undata;ben_vulpes: scoreboard bro
978906;1421379648;asciilifeform;undata: it works quite like, e.g., haskell.
978907;1421379670;undata;asciilifeform: seemed it was some kind of functional environment, but I can't read it
978908;1421379693;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: mr mold's interest in programming language design, somehow, did not extend to any attempt at self-hosting the apparatus. the bulk of his code, iirc, is in straight c.
978909;1421379703;mircea_popescu;<ben_vulpes> why this obsession with new programming languages <<< same reason every us chick has had three prior sex partners.
978910;1421379709;mircea_popescu;even the ones that fuck the whole bar.
978911;1421379838;mircea_popescu;https://phaven-prod.s3.amazonaws.com/files/image_part/asset/21981/sTmc2SxXQPQwoDH-EhCjHpN7TZM/medium_media_httpiimgurcomVh_gfDco.gif
978912;1421379839;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1KP57dG )
978913;1421379876;undata;it's all about getting your goofy pile of shit on HN
978914;1421379910;*;asciilifeform confesses that he was immediately responsible for getting mr mold's shit onto HN
978915;1421379929;asciilifeform;the public repo was initially 'secret'
978916;1421379933;undata;demerit!
978917;1421379944;undata;heh I don't know, there could be interesting ideas in there; I haven't looked
978918;1421379991;asciilifeform;there were, in fact, interesting ideas in there. i quietly followed his work for more than a year.
978919;1421380056;mircea_popescu;http://www.m1-garand-rifle.com/ivan-chesnokov.php << guy has a shrine.
978920;1421380058;assbot; Firearms Philosophy of Ivan Chesnokov  ... ( http://bit.ly/1KP5xkl )
978921;1421380097;decimation;really, moldbug 'needs' at least a few $bil to make hardware
978922;1421380158;undata;"MAYBE YOU PUT SEX DILDO ON TOP TO FUCK YOURSELF IN ASSHOLE" << ahahaha oh god, my sides
978923;1421380160;*;undata reads the rest
978924;1421380191;mircea_popescu;WHAT IN FUCK IS DONE TO THIS POOR RIFLE? STUPID HICK AMERICAN WITH TEN GALLON HAT AND GIANT PICKUP TRUCK LOOKS AT PERFECTLY FINE SIMONOV KARBIN AND SAYS "NO, RIFLE NEED MORE DUMB SHIT ON IT"?
978925;1421380218;mircea_popescu;WHAT IS REASON FOR PISTOL GRIP?
978926;1421380246;mircea_popescu;that's a good fucking question lmao. sks fired from the hip by teenage boys in rural texas ? no wonder people can't land fucking rockets.
978927;1421380363;undata;the guy's right about the mosin
978928;1421380371;undata;mine's still in incredible shape
978929;1421380406;mircea_popescu;SURE, IS ONLY YUGOSLAV COPY TYPE BUT IS STILL PROUD DESIGN OF SERGEI SIMONOV. THIS IS LIKE SENDING HIM BIRTHDAY CARD WITH SEVERED OFF THUMB OF DAUGHTER IN ENVELOPE. "HAPPY BIRTHDAY SERGEI! I PISS ON ALL YOU CREATE!"
978930;1421380409;mircea_popescu;i'd like to hire this guy
978931;1421380416;mircea_popescu;do reddit mpex pr.
978932;1421380442;mod6;haha
978933;1421380533;mircea_popescu;hey ivan chesnokov : apply will you. all you need is a gpg sig, you can sit behind 7 proxies for all i care.
978934;1421380540;mircea_popescu;bitcoin buys many daughter thumb!
978935;1421381010;BingoBoingo;"YUGOSLAV TYPE HAS SPECIAL GAS TUBE LEVER AND GRENADE SPIGOT ON END OF BARREL. I THINK LIVE GRENADE FOR CIVILIAN IN AMERICA IS PROBABLY ENOUGH REASON FOR GULAG, SO IS PROBABLY NO REAL USE FOR GRENADE SPIGOT TO YOU. "
978936;1421381050;BingoBoingo;"YOU LOOK FOR NICE SHINE AND GOOD SMOOTH SURFACE. YOU LOOK FOR SHARP EDGE ON RIFLING OF BARREL. YOU NOTICE AND AVOID BARREL IF HAS POCKMARKS LIKE ASS OF FAT GIRL. "
978937;1421381091;mircea_popescu;he has a good point re the light tho
978938;1421381100;mircea_popescu;that's how you buy an unknown rifle.
978939;1421381160;BingoBoingo;Yeah, so much wisdom here/
978940;1421381170;mircea_popescu;IN RUSSIA WE ALSO HAVE RULES OF COURTING. DO NOT BRING SIDEARM TO FIRST TIME WITH GIRL. SENDS WRONG MESSAGE, THAT YOU ARE BAD CONSCRIPT WHO WILL RAPE GIRL.
978941;1421381189;mircea_popescu;somehow it seems to me he uses conscript as transliteration of ciolovek
978942;1421381195;BingoBoingo;ON SECOND TIME MANY DRINKS OF VODKA TO MAKE GIRL WANT FUCK; MATCHING ENOUGH DRINKS MAKES DANGEROUS TO CARRY SIDEARM.
978943;1421381275;mircea_popescu;dude check it out, the only extant country he actually mentions is romania
978944;1421381286;mircea_popescu;since no more yugo or motherland.
978945;1421381453;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 55001 @ 0.00043648 = 24.0068 BTC [+] {4} 
978946;1421381459;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 55001 @ 0.00043648 = 24.0068 BTC [+] {4} 
978947;1421381485;decimation;my dad recently had his kitchen floor rebuilt.  the wooden floor carpenters were apparently all romanian
978948;1421381578;mircea_popescu;i can see it.
978949;1421381636;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14350 @ 0.00043134 = 6.1897 BTC [-]
978950;1421381643;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14350 @ 0.00043134 = 6.1897 BTC [-]
978951;1421381669;asciilifeform;decimation: mr mold said to be (publicly, iirc) that he is not interested in making hardware.
978952;1421381693;decimation;that doesn't mean that hardware isn't interested in him!
978953;1421381903;mircea_popescu;generally the paper revolutionaries looking for a little "investment" tend to make it clear they don't actually wish to rock the boat.
978954;1421382036;decimation;;;ticker
978955;1421382037;gribble;Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 216.9, Best ask: 217.0, Bid-ask spread: 0.10000, Last trade: 217.0, 24 hour volume: 73997.24940145, 24 hour low: 189.47, 24 hour high: 233.9, 24 hour vwap: 211.842718099
978956;1421382135;asciilifeform;*said to me
978957;1421382493;decimation;thestringpuller: you posted http://bitcoinobituaries.com/ a few weeks ago, it's quite amusing
978958;1421382494;assbot;Bitcoin Obituaries: Following Bitcoin While It Dies & Goes Up in Price ... ( http://bit.ly/14GuTzB )
978959;1421382521;BingoBoingo;https://munchkinwrangler.wordpress.com/2008/12/06/sacred-cows-the-second-serving/
978960;1421382524;assbot;sacred cows, the second serving. | the munchkin wrangler. ... ( http://bit.ly/14GuWvb )
978961;1421382582;mircea_popescu;http://lil-purrfect-femme.tumblr.com/post/85850686448/be-careful-of-switch-rape
978962;1421382584;assbot;Queen of Feminism — Be Careful of "Switch Rape" ... ( http://bit.ly/14Gv3qB )
978963;1421382617;mircea_popescu;"So I think I was raped last night�. Or sexually assaulted. I was hooking up with this guy I regularly hook up with since the break up, but I�m not really into him and just kinda want him to satisfy me u know? So we were having sex like usual�. But then he turned me around and began penetrating me from behind �doggy style.� He kept going.  Not ONCE did he ask if it was ok to change positions. What should I do
978964;1421382618;mircea_popescu;??! I don�t want him to hate me because I have a crush on his hot friend, but rape is not ok. I let him continue and we both came, but it�s natural to have sensations even when raped. I can�t even think straight anymore idk what to do. Thinking about posting his Facebook here."
978965;1421382644;mircea_popescu;problem with idiots is that even middlingly executed parody is indistinguishable from their actual creeds.
978966;1421382684;asciilifeform;'Twice the recoil of the 9mm for 10% more muzzle energy.' << physics???
978967;1421382732;mircea_popescu;energy is mv**2 ; impules is mv
978968;1421382739;mircea_popescu;i imagine he means recoil = impulse
978969;1421382790;mircea_popescu;thus it's more productive energy-wise to use faster bullets, not larger slower ones.
978970;1421382866;*;asciilifeform still waiting to hear of man-portable 'light gas' gun.
978971;1421382916;mircea_popescu;http://40.media.tumblr.com/279bef0688fb36857c4be85ada7231e7/tumblr_n5fjx9ePBD1ty7bx2o1_1280.jpg meanwhile.
978972;1421382917;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1KPaBoX )
978973;1421383023;decimation;http://www.nytimes.com/2015/01/15/technology/silicon-valley-antitrust-case-settlement-poaching-engineers.html << lol "To head off a trial and the exposure of reams of incriminating emails, Google, Apple, Intel and Adobe — the four remaining defendants — are offering to pay $415 million, according to a person with knowledge of the negotiations." "Last spring, the two sides agreed on $324.5 million. After legal fees, that would
978974;1421383026;assbot;Log In - The New York Times ... ( http://bit.ly/1KPaLfO )
978975;1421383026;decimation;have amounted to a few thousand dollars for each of the 64,000 class members."
978976;1421383078;mircea_popescu;lol. only half a billion ?
978977;1421383086;mircea_popescu;but they can spend A TRILLION for a shitty plane, those people ?
978978;1421383088;decimation;of course, esteemed professors in USG law explain how this is good: Ms. Lobel said. “But it’s a good result in that there has been much media attention to the illegality of such retention practices, real monetary consequences and promises to cease all such practices in the future.”"
978979;1421383090;mircea_popescu;how come the disparity ?
978980;1421383108;mircea_popescu;why's google, apple and etc not pay a trillion ? it's just bezzlars anyway.
978981;1421383125;mircea_popescu;but they're suddenly NOT the same thing if they leave the circuit, are they.
978982;1421383134;asciilifeform;especially not this way.
978983;1421383137;decimation;hey little engineer derp! here's $5k for us supressing your wage for a decade - it's cool because the newspapers have said google is bad
978984;1421383138;mircea_popescu;especially not.
978985;1421383145;asciilifeform;if apple, google, spend 1000 usd, publicly - think of the stock value
978986;1421383161;mircea_popescu;yet it was ok for bp to be assessed a trillion.
978987;1421383166;asciilifeform;think of the punctured illusion of fat industry.
978988;1421383170;mircea_popescu;because it went from bezzle pocket t obezzle pocket.
978989;1421383173;decimation;well, bp is bad because oil is bad
978990;1421383183;mircea_popescu;these magical money that make anyone rich up to the point where they'rer to be spent...
978991;1421383204;asciilifeform;'gnomish gold'
978992;1421383206;mircea_popescu;x company sells for 100 mn. you talk to the founders... they made 50k off the deal.
978993;1421383207;mircea_popescu;rly ?
978994;1421383207;asciilifeform;or what was the legend.
978995;1421383227;mircea_popescu;"yreah, my gf sells romance novels, it was like 3 of her books"
978996;1421383242;mircea_popescu;"well i guess that's fair, they also sell for 20-30mn"
978997;1421383262;decimation;mircea_popescu: conversely, it makes 'total sense' for the management of apple or whoever to buy back stock
978998;1421383281;decimation;curiously they are all compensated directly in stock options & equivilents...
978999;1421383290;mircea_popescu;doh.
979000;1421383303;mircea_popescu;buffett explained this scam back when he was still you know, possessed of himself.
979001;1421383337;mircea_popescu;hire some derp to work your company, pay him by share price, next thing you know he;'s buying up your stock.
979002;1421383344;mircea_popescu;with your own moneyt
979003;1421383349;mircea_popescu;and making the %.
979004;1421383379;decimation;exactly.  in the us system it's even worse, given the pervasive nature of index-fund investing by derps with retirements
979005;1421383424;mircea_popescu;socialistoids of all flavours praise this system of "dilute ownership"
979006;1421383431;mircea_popescu;because, obviously, it gives no one actual power.
979007;1421383432;xiando;that bitcoin in commieland is starting to look like a wedge don't it http://btccharts.everdot.org/2015-01-16/wedgey.jpg  oh well
979008;1421383480;decimation;mircea_popescu: it makes the little people feel like they are getting their money's worth, as their stock valuation rises, while the management cashes out
979009;1421383485;decimation;it's a brillant scam if you can run it
979010;1421383488;mircea_popescu;hey xiando , translate this to chinese for me http://trilema.com/2015/if-you-go-on-a-bitcoin-fork-irrespective-which-scammer-proposes-it-you-will-lose-your-bitcoins/ ?
979011;1421383488;assbot;If you go on a Bitcoin fork, irrespective which scammer proposes it, you will lose your Bitcoins. pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.  ... ( http://bit.ly/1KPbAFD )
979012;1421383519;mircea_popescu;decimation it's as fucking unbriliant as a lump of coal. at the end of the week, instead of having a decent steak and a game of bridge with intellgient people,
979013;1421383531;mircea_popescu;you're stuck hiding in your gated compound from imaginary niggers.
979014;1421383610;xiando;I do not speak chinese so sorry
979015;1421383663;mircea_popescu;oh ? hm, i guess i got confused.
979016;1421384281;BingoBoingo;https://twitter.com/a_greenberg/status/555932764965699585
979017;1421384282;assbot;Judge Forrest ended the first week of the Silk Road trial by reminding the jury not to watch the Princess Bride over the weekend.
979018;1421384293;mircea_popescu;lol wut ?!
979019;1421384299;mircea_popescu;http://41.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lvbouyUcj41qetcz3o1_500.jpg
979020;1421384300;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/14GAztp )
979021;1421384349;BingoBoingo;The Silk Road Aministrator title is a reference to the plot of that film.
979022;1421384403;mircea_popescu;yeah but...
979023;1421384408;mircea_popescu;so what if they do watch it ?
979024;1421384443;BingoBoingo;They must acquit
979025;1421384453;mircea_popescu;uh.
979026;1421384477;mircea_popescu;you know, for an ironclad case the prosecution claims, and for an independence from the state the judge pretends,
979027;1421384478;BingoBoingo;Because Gox collapsed because the FBI took all of Karpales coins in the silk road bust.
979028;1421384481;mircea_popescu;these people are pretty fucking worried.
979029;1421384488;BingoBoingo;Yeah
979030;1421384515;BingoBoingo;From that julia who stopped by a few times: https://twitter.com/BraveTheWorld/status/555922943868678144
979031;1421384516;assbot;The trial is going in the favor of defense and they are panicking so we can't give them a reason to anonymize the jury. No signs. No signs.
979032;1421384546;mircea_popescu;why is she dumb enough to play ball lmao.
979033;1421384553;mircea_popescu;let them "anonymize" the jury. da fuck do you care.
979034;1421384561;mircea_popescu;not like you're going to do anything whatsoever BECAUSE of the usg.
979035;1421384568;mircea_popescu;never again. do what you will, and fuck them.
979036;1421384575;decimation;interesting, the march 15 euro future on CME is at $1.16, with a $1.16 call at $0.0248 and put at $0.0195
979037;1421384629;mircea_popescu;expecting more volatility ?
979038;1421384742;asciilifeform;lol, they let the jury home ?
979039;1421384846;decimation;I guess the simple call-put analysis would imply a future increase in price
979040;1421384861;decimation;but that was the case a few weeks ago, and the future has fallen
979041;1421384996;decimation;I suppose the simple (call-put) analysis ignores the prevailing interest rates in each currency, which would also affect the future price
979042;1421385016;mircea_popescu;justusranvier http://qntra.net/2015/01/transaction-fees-and-the-future-of-bitcoin/#comment-7394
979043;1421385017;assbot;Transaction Fees and the Future of Bitcoin | Qntra.net ... ( http://bit.ly/14GCU7F )
979044;1421385188;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: re: buffett's textile plants: i once worked with a greybeard - a former director of a research lab at, iirc, kodak (many years ago.) he was reduced to programming by ill fortune, age, disease. told many stories, but concerning textiles, that his laboratory was built inside an abandoned textiles plant, one of a great many in the american south.
979045;1421385191;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: It seems so.
979046;1421385241;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: they were abruptly hollowed out and made good 'floors' for remaining concerns - pharma, call centres, etc.
979047;1421385247;mircea_popescu;yep
979048;1421385258;mircea_popescu;it's a fine way to gut a well established entreprise.
979049;1421385261;mircea_popescu;"revolutionize" it.
979050;1421385286;decimation;kodak is an excellent example of a company selling off its economically viable business for no reason
979051;1421385308;mircea_popescu;that's not really the mechanism here tho.
979052;1421385350;mircea_popescu;anyway, if ever there was a social experiment to illustrate just how little computer geeks understand, bitcoin's it.
979053;1421385376;mircea_popescu;all sorts of things seem obvious by simile to people with no experience and not much intellectual curiosity.
979054;1421385407;*;asciilifeform isn't certain that 'computer geeks' - as commonly understood - were yet ever involved with bitcoin in appreciable numbers
979055;1421385410;mircea_popescu;yet somehow their inability to score girlfriends or be the life of the party does not even begin to hint to them that perhaps they're ill prepared to judge economic phenomena.
979056;1421385431;mircea_popescu;dunning kruger is not reserved to idiots. it's just another name for the aspie's sufferance.
979057;1421385449;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform i mean mostly the ruby and web2.0 "we r code" bunch.
979058;1421385463;mircea_popescu;like gavin, or the rest. the million people that's a million extra hands on github
979059;1421385473;asciilifeform;the programmatory equivalent of chinese textile labourers ?
979060;1421385480;mircea_popescu;them exactly.
979061;1421385505;mircea_popescu;it's what computer geek means, these days. "shy, socially awkward teenager that doesn't know how to use computers, in spite of spending a lot of time with them"
979062;1421385543;decimation;so, the chinese peasant is a textile hobbyist in the way that the  'computer geek' is a programming hobbyist?
979063;1421385550;mircea_popescu;quite.
979064;1421385584;decimation;yeah, I can see that.  note that this wave of 'volunteers' makes life very difficult for actual pros
979065;1421385591;mircea_popescu;they probably learn more useful & important stuff playing counterstrike than mashing the kbd for code.
979066;1421385592;asciilifeform;except that cloth unquestionably exists and is useful.
979067;1421385601;mircea_popescu;decimation oh, it's noted.
979068;1421385615;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform cloth unquestionably exists ; so exists bad code.
979069;1421385620;mircea_popescu;that it's useful... depends.
979070;1421385623;mircea_popescu;i keep the girls nude indoors.
979071;1421385631;mircea_popescu;and outdoors half the time for that matter.
979072;1421385645;mircea_popescu;now if in question were shoes... or rifles... but they aren't, are they.
979073;1421385656;mircea_popescu;http://41.media.tumblr.com/ec309eecd19f226b31693c251c8e9246/tumblr_mqhaq36TlG1sv0gl8o1_500.jpg << speaking of shoes.
979074;1421385658;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/153ABwy )
979075;1421385700;asciilifeform;those are shoes ?!
979076;1421385715;mircea_popescu;after a fashoen
979077;1421385891;asciilifeform;this wave of 'volunteers' makes life very difficult for actual pros << how??
979078;1421385906;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 3000 @ 0.00068347 = 2.0504 BTC [+] {8} 
979079;1421385911;asciilifeform;(i can think of perhaps one or two ways, but labour competition is quite certainly not one of them)
979080;1421385911;mircea_popescu;hard to be found and find peers when drowning in sewage & assorted cuntpuss
979081;1421385913;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 3000 @ 0.00068347 = 2.0504 BTC [+] {8} 
979082;1421385922;asciilifeform;this, yes
979083;1421385927;mircea_popescu;o, you need more /
979084;1421385940;asciilifeform;the extinction of adequate physical equipment, also.
979085;1421385958;mircea_popescu;"not worth making anymore", because "no market".
979086;1421385970;mircea_popescu;because somehow inexplicably cuntpuss has purchasing power. for shame.
979087;1421385977;midnightmagic;mircea_popescu: Are those shoes hard forms?
979088;1421385990;asciilifeform;sufficiently many ants - kill elephant.
979089;1421385991;mircea_popescu;midnightmagic they look to me like a steel frame tied to the calf and foot.
979090;1421386102;midnightmagic;mircea_popescu: I've been looking for a heel form specifically like that to wear for long trips in my sportscar. Minus all the metal and straps. I think a heel form support over the outside of a vibram would probably double my range without rest.
979091;1421386122;midnightmagic;(without wrecking my ability to heel&toe)
979092;1421386182;mircea_popescu;twenty years ago you could have leather shoes made by design to order in quantities of one, up in harlem.
979093;1421386186;mircea_popescu;by now... i have nfi.
979094;1421386206;midnightmagic;hrm
979095;1421386253;mircea_popescu;there must be some shop left somewhere that still does it. they make chain mail by hand and whatnot, i can't imagine shoemakers all died out.
979096;1421386291;mircea_popescu;http://40.media.tumblr.com/d4cb3a6bba4f8cb6a3ec185fa0c03db8/tumblr_mzkvtiZm3O1t8ttb7o1_500.jpg unrelatedly.
979097;1421386292;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/14GH8Mx )
979098;1421386452;midnightmagic;that's a good idea.. for a long time I thought I'd have to cast a form out of carbon fiber or something
979099;1421386513;mircea_popescu;you can trivially make it out of silicone. it'll suck.
979100;1421386577;midnightmagic;i need undeformable support. the weight of my leg on my heel while driving is pretty excruciating, but normal shoes would ruin my feel of the floor and pedals
979101;1421386600;midnightmagic;anyway, excuse the offtopic
979102;1421386621;midnightmagic;or..  tangent at any rate
979103;1421387919;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30581 @ 0.00044286 = 13.5431 BTC [+] {2} 
979104;1421387926;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30581 @ 0.00044286 = 13.5431 BTC [+] {2} 
979105;1421389101;asciilifeform;http://www.nytimes.com/2015/01/16/opinion/paul-krugman-francs-fear-and-folly.html << high-grade mega-lol
979106;1421389104;assbot;Log In - The New York Times ... ( http://bit.ly/1E6rOpa )
979107;1421389627;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7950 @ 0.0004433 = 3.5242 BTC [+]
979108;1421389634;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7950 @ 0.0004433 = 3.5242 BTC [+]
979109;1421389688;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11700 @ 0.0004433 = 5.1866 BTC [+]
979110;1421389695;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11700 @ 0.0004433 = 5.1866 BTC [+]
979111;1421390847;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 38250 @ 0.00043667 = 16.7026 BTC [-]
979112;1421390854;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 38250 @ 0.00043667 = 16.7026 BTC [-]
979113;1421394751;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 38869 @ 0.00043165 = 16.7778 BTC [-] {3} 
979114;1421394763;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 38869 @ 0.00043165 = 16.7778 BTC [-] {3} 
979115;1421400119;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7579 @ 0.0004433 = 3.3598 BTC [+]
979116;1421400131;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7579 @ 0.0004433 = 3.3598 BTC [+]
979117;1421401705;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25300 @ 0.00044758 = 11.3238 BTC [+]
979118;1421401717;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25300 @ 0.00044758 = 11.3238 BTC [+]
979119;1421402804;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11450 @ 0.0004462 = 5.109 BTC [-]
979120;1421402815;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11450 @ 0.0004462 = 5.109 BTC [-]
979121;1421402915;BingoBoingo;Paranoia https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/2sl1lv/bitcoin_white_rock_ashley_barr_dpr_connection/
979122;1421402919;assbot;Bitcoin White Rock, Ashley Barr, DPR Connection : Bitcoin ... ( http://bit.ly/1G6tLGV )
979123;1421403291;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35600 @ 0.00044906 = 15.9865 BTC [+] {3} 
979124;1421403303;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35600 @ 0.00044906 = 15.9865 BTC [+] {3} 
979125;1421404101;fluffypony;http://i.imgur.com/Alg0gBv.jpg
979126;1421404102;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1E6MtJJ )
979127;1421404224;davout;fluffypony: lulzy
979128;1421404259;davout;fluffypony: do you know a monero executive summary?
979129;1421404287;fluffypony;davout: how short a summary do you want?
979130;1421404318;davout;2~3 pages to start i'd say
979131;1421404369;davout;just so i have an idea what it's about so i can dig further if needed
979132;1421404389;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 42500 @ 0.00045176 = 19.1998 BTC [+] {2} 
979133;1421404408;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 42500 @ 0.00045176 = 19.1998 BTC [+] {2} 
979134;1421404572;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 38850 @ 0.00045861 = 17.817 BTC [+]
979135;1421404573;fluffypony;davout: I think our Year in Review report is a good start - https://forum.monero.cc/1/news-and-announcements/134/monday-monero-missives-22-year-in-review-january-5th-2015
979136;1421404575;assbot;Monero | News and Announcements » Monday Monero Missives #22 - Year in Review, January 5th, 2015 ... ( http://bit.ly/1E6Nmlx )
979137;1421404591;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 38850 @ 0.00045861 = 17.817 BTC [+]
979138;1421404597;davout;looks great tyvm!
979139;1421405731;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9577 @ 0.00044578 = 4.2692 BTC [-] {2} 
979140;1421405750;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9577 @ 0.00044578 = 4.2692 BTC [-] {2} 
979141;1421406299;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14200 @ 0.00045861 = 6.5123 BTC [+]
979142;1421406341;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14200 @ 0.00045861 = 6.5123 BTC [+]
979143;1421407947;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13950 @ 0.000441 = 6.152 BTC [-]
979144;1421407988;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13950 @ 0.000441 = 6.152 BTC [-]
979145;1421410476;jurov;pity the monero memory problem isn't resolved yet (keeps blockchain in memory, needs 30G)
979146;1421410522;jurov;just for fun i have tried to cap RSS using control groups so that the rest would go to swap
979147;1421410546;jurov;it worked for maybe a day, then linux died
979148;1421410942;BingoBoingo;Everyone dies, but one day before die is dissaponting amount of die
979149;1421411560;davout;jurov: ouch
979150;1421411878;fluffypony;jurov: you mean 3gb
979151;1421411880;fluffypony;definitely not 30gb
979152;1421411899;fluffypony;and the lmdb branch is reasonably stable, but Linux only at this stage
979153;1421411953;fluffypony;https://github.com/tewinget/bitmonero/tree/blockchain
979154;1421411954;assbot;tewinget/bitmonero at blockchain · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1AXXgVN )
979155;1421411963;jurov;ohh so i remember wrong.. reports actually say 5-6GB
979156;1421412030;jurov;still was too much
979157;1421412038;jurov;will try that branch, thx
979158;1421412102;fluffypony;yep it doubles up to 6gb when its spooling to disk (every 12 hours), as it creates a copy of the blockchain object
979159;1421412186;fluffypony;https://twitter.com/MagicalTux/status/555892860654862337
979160;1421412188;assbot;This is probably going to be disappointing for you, but I am not and have never been Dread Pirate Roberts.
979161;1421412205;fluffypony;so just a regular scammer, then
979162;1421412307;jurov;it's completely incomprehensible to me why they have chosen karpeles of all people
979163;1421412380;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34827 @ 0.00045873 = 15.9762 BTC [+] {2} 
979164;1421412399;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34827 @ 0.00045873 = 15.9762 BTC [+] {2} 
979165;1421412410;jurov;any idea?
979166;1421412593;BingoBoingo;Well Where might McCaleb have met Kapeles if not the silk road over a spoonful of black tar?
979167;1421413102;BingoBoingo;Just wild speculation
979168;1421413398;thestringpuller;fluffypony: took him 24 hours to compose that statemetn?
979169;1421413457;fluffypony;thestringpuller: nah, probably only a couple of minutes - you have to remember that he would only have heard the news shortly before that Tweet, what with the self-induced mocha frappacino coma binge he's been on lately
979170;1421413489;thestringpuller;no wonder the Feds were able to compromise Silk Road if Tux was running it.
979171;1421413493;fluffypony;lol
979172;1421413504;fluffypony;they offered him donuts and lattes until he gave them the server keys
979173;1421413614;thestringpuller;d00d they are calling him a supervillian already
979174;1421413632;fluffypony;Dr. Latte!
979175;1421413647;thestringpuller;a super villian would have been running this shit from Africa and would have actually killed people in the process
979176;1421413667;thestringpuller;And instead of being arrested by feds and tried, Obama would have sent a drone.
979177;1421413877;thestringpuller;today is a punk rock day
979178;1421414210;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34400 @ 0.00045491 = 15.6489 BTC [-] {2} 
979179;1421414229;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34400 @ 0.00045491 = 15.6489 BTC [-] {2} 
979180;1421417138;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15700 @ 0.00045993 = 7.2209 BTC [+]
979181;1421417160;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15700 @ 0.00045993 = 7.2209 BTC [+]
979182;1421418604;scoopbot;New post on Qntra.net by Bingo Boingo: http://qntra.net/2015/01/roger-ver-and-americas-emigration-dilemma/
979183;1421419708;kakobrekla;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-01-2015#978602
979184;1421419708;assbot;Logged on 15-01-2015 21:14:46; kakobrekla: also some fx brokerages closed.
979185;1421419712;kakobrekla;http://www.alpari.com/company-news/posts/2015/january/important-announcement/
979186;1421419713;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1yktLj2 )
979187;1421419807;BingoBoingo;OMG the conspiracy theories on Gox Road are coalescing into almost sense.. https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/2sjuvu/defense_in_silk_road_trial_arguing_mark_karpeles/cnqcgxd
979188;1421419809;assbot;lifeboatz comments on "Defense in Silk Road trial arguing Mark Karpeles, CEO of Bitcoin exchange Mt. Gox, was the real mastermind behind Silk Road." ... ( http://bit.ly/1ykucK9 )
979189;1421419811;BingoBoingo;!up mircea_popescu
979190;1421419814;mircea_popescu;o hai.
979191;1421419822;mircea_popescu;http://36.media.tumblr.com/ab532f17c00a4804843916c828e034b0/tumblr_mxnu6juUr61qi0kbpo1_500.jpg << by way of ty.
979192;1421419824;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1ykuh0x )
979193;1421419836;TomServo;Another great article BingoBoingo.
979194;1421419867;BingoBoingo;Thanks TomServo, been chewing on that one too long prolly.
979195;1421419874;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform lol always great to read the comedy gold classics every time us policy backfires massively.
979196;1421420068;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo " So far it hasn't been enforced due to its extreme vagary, but in the unstable environment of applied United States law. Not with the sudden resurgence of threats to invoke the All Writs Act reentering the public discourse in late 2014."
979197;1421420071;mircea_popescu;that not right in there ?
979198;1421420204;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: Just rewrote that sentence, hazard of multi session writing.
979199;1421420378;mircea_popescu;"Expenditure for the year comprised of 3 totals as some costs could not be settled in BTC or were preferably settled in XMR. Our expenditure was 190.513492 BTC + 1 891.31 XMR + US $5 732.80, which is around the 212 BTC mark. Thus the shortfall of 164.5 BTC was paid out of the Core Team's own pockets in the hopes of recovering the funds later on (ie. just in case anyone was wondering, not only do the core team not get p
979200;1421420378;mircea_popescu;aid at all, but we've put a significant amount of funds into Monero)."
979201;1421420427;mircea_popescu;this would explain the shockingly large 50 btc donations figure for an altcoin i guess.
979202;1421420499;mircea_popescu;35 weeks of development (245 days) since Monero was inherited by the Core Team 594 separate commits << inherited by whom ? how ? if that inherited had linked to a gpg signed testament...
979203;1421420540;davout;mircea_popescu: maybe in the sense that it was inherited as a messy bytecoin code base
979204;1421420549;mircea_popescu;i guess.
979205;1421420578;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14350 @ 0.00045699 = 6.5578 BTC [-]
979206;1421420584;*;mircea_popescu hated that "illustrative" graph too. fucking sleek but meaningless graphics.
979207;1421420606;mircea_popescu;Testing infrastructure consists of a Mac Mini hosted at MacStadium, as well as a beefy testing box hosted at Hetzner in Germany, on which we have a number of VMs for the various operating systems and variants we target. >> much better.
979208;1421420615;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14350 @ 0.00045699 = 6.5578 BTC [-]
979209;1421420677;davout;i was personnally quite impressed by the "let's start by a financial report"
979210;1421420697;mircea_popescu;ok, sure. not bad that.
979211;1421420738;mircea_popescu;"OpenAlias is different. Not only does it "square Zooko's triangle" " << the entire discusison of that thing (my mind went, ok, let's try and poke one particular thing and see" is nice and all for the zooko discussion, but a) it's not clear to me what's the relation to open alias corporation if any
979212;1421420764;mircea_popescu;(when what looks like a term of art has basically two apparently divorced meanings via google, it's suspicious if they don't seem mutually aware)
979213;1421420785;mircea_popescu;in any case it'd benefit from an explanation of itself.
979214;1421420876;mircea_popescu;"With the two attacks we thwarted in 2014, the GUI development had to take a bit of a backseat." << in depth description ? links ? somehow for me to evaluate if they're due to the world being full of idiots (ddos ?) or the devs being idiots (we were using ruby!!1)
979215;1421420919;mircea_popescu;Hey! This page will never end! Just keep on scrolling to see more posts! < lol busted. anyway! i guess it goes back i nthe pile that has been holding "open transactyions" since about 2011.
979216;1421421074;mircea_popescu;"And for three years it worked. But on Thursday the Swiss suddenly gave up. We don�t know exactly why; nobody I know believes the official explanation, that it�s a response to a weakening euro. " << ha-ha. everyone you DON'T know knows the explanation. it was published on fucking trilema for crissakes, not even as a news item.
979217;1421421097;mircea_popescu;that what the us considers important thinkers have no access to basic data, because they're isolated on a WoI, should speak volumes.
979218;1421421203;TomServo;In glancing through the comments on Krugman's piece, he seems to be getting pretty well lambasted there.
979219;1421421243;mircea_popescu;nah, it didn't happen.
979220;1421421259;mircea_popescu;those people just failed to "enter the looking glass world" when "everybody" did.
979221;1421421269;mircea_popescu;they were left on this other side with nobody, and putin.
979222;1421421317;mircea_popescu;it's kind-of remarkable (not really) just how self-labeling stupidity actually is. the difference between trying to "explain yourself" as an idiot and simply wearing a lot of large "hey everyone, i'm the idiot!" signs and tags is hard to notice.
979223;1421421393;mircea_popescu;"So let�s learn from the Swiss. They�ve been careful; they�ve maintained sound money for generations. And now they�re paying the price."
979224;1421421394;mircea_popescu;epic.
979225;1421421403;mircea_popescu;such a price, rly.
979226;1421421408;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25650 @ 0.00045699 = 11.7218 BTC [-]
979227;1421421432;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25650 @ 0.00045699 = 11.7218 BTC [-]
979228;1421421678;BingoBoingo;!up mircea_popescu
979229;1421421700;mircea_popescu;http://36.media.tumblr.com/86375fbb6f3fe2ef7ef1c0183063fffe/tumblr_n6i21mbY261sfkfqio1_500.jpg
979230;1421421701;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1Cw9G77 )
979231;1421421898;mircea_popescu;kk.
979232;1421422221;BingoBoingo;Apparently the dollar fell against 87 octane yesterday at retail
979233;1421422333;fluffypony;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8S0FDjFBj8o
979234;1421422335;assbot;How to sound smart in your TEDx Talk | Will Stephen | TEDxNewYork - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1Cwd4Pe )
979235;1421422374;BingoBoingo;Qntra endorsement found on twitter https://twitter.com/Beautyon_/status/556110683948187649
979236;1421422375;assbot;What I find interesting about it, is that it appears to be effortless; like these are the cast offs, the "While ima here, Ill let you know".
979237;1421422422;mircea_popescu;i dunno what that means ?
979238;1421422451;BingoBoingo;I'm not sure either, but the tweets surrounding it are praise
979239;1421422456;rithm;BingoBoingo I know some spots who sell 87 octane for 1.88 cash and 1.99 credit fwiw
979240;1421422462;rithm;sorta recentish
979241;1421422469;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29800 @ 0.00045658 = 13.6061 BTC [-] {2} 
979242;1421422482;BingoBoingo;rithm: There's one that always has that spread a couple towns over.
979243;1421422496;rithm;interesting
979244;1421422506;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29800 @ 0.00045658 = 13.6061 BTC [-] {2} 
979245;1421422554;BingoBoingo;But yesterday Went from $1.79 up to $2.09 and this morning back to $1.79, that volatility
979246;1421422580;BingoBoingo;Also... model of integrity here http://www.cbssports.com/collegefootball/eye-on-college-football/24963484/man-who-sold-lsu-equipment-chooses-jail-over-revealing-player-source
979247;1421422582;assbot;Man who sold LSU equipment chooses jail over revealing player source - CBSSports.com  ... ( http://bit.ly/1G8nMBn )
979248;1421422666;mircea_popescu;not bad.
979249;1421422718;mircea_popescu;"LSU football equipment is leased to student-athetes, who are not allowed to give it away or sell it." fucking outrage.
979250;1421422779;BingoBoingo;Well according to the NCAA written rules, they aren't alowed to. According to the unwritten rules of the actual government of the sport they totally are allowed to give away and sell it.
979251;1421422811;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22026 @ 0.00044678 = 9.8408 BTC [-]
979252;1421422816;BingoBoingo;Legitimate government of Sicily is not in Rome sort of situation.
979253;1421422835;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22026 @ 0.00044678 = 9.8408 BTC [-]
979254;1421423116;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12597 @ 0.0004606 = 5.8022 BTC [+] {2} 
979255;1421423140;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12597 @ 0.0004606 = 5.8022 BTC [+] {2} 
979256;1421423483;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 13 @ 0.12999976 = 1.69 BTC [+] {2} 
979257;1421423506;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 13 @ 0.12999976 = 1.69 BTC [+] {2} 
979258;1421424862;TomServo;!up mircea_popescu
979259;1421424870;TomServo;!up astRocreep
979260;1421425419;kakobrekla;o look our friend https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jiy1rlKdBo8
979261;1421425420;assbot;OneRNG - An Open and Verifiable hardware random number generator - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1C7QP3P )
979262;1421425446;kakobrekla;or was is freeend
979263;1421426421;danielpbarron;http://youtu.be/GYSqnmeOBKw?t=4m56s
979264;1421426423;assbot;Don't sell yourself short on EBay - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1C7TavO )
979265;1421426425;xanthyos;hello fellow bitcoiners, what are my poker chips worth today?
979266;1421426475;jurov;;;rate
979267;1421426476;gribble;(rate <nick> <rating> [<notes>]) -- Enters a rating for <nick> in the amount of <rating>. Use optional <notes> field to enter any notes you have about this user. <nick> must be the user's GPG-registered username, Your previously existing rating, if any, will be overwritten.
979268;1421426481;jurov;;;ticker
979269;1421426482;gribble;Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 205.02, Best ask: 205.73, Bid-ask spread: 0.71000, Last trade: 205.76, 24 hour volume: 48633.20568306, 24 hour low: 192.0, 24 hour high: 224.0, 24 hour vwap: 211.159397315
979270;1421426898;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16675 @ 0.00044555 = 7.4295 BTC [-] {2} 
979271;1421426922;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16675 @ 0.00044555 = 7.4295 BTC [-] {2} 
979272;1421427255;kakobrekla;bah no cardano mention http://youtu.be/jiy1rlKdBo8?t=30m44s
979273;1421427459;xanthyos;!up mircea_popescu
979274;1421428126;thestringpuller;Argentina got dat recipe
979275;1421428127;thestringpuller;dem 3 w's
979276;1421428264;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11790 @ 0.000441 = 5.1994 BTC [-]
979277;1421428301;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11790 @ 0.000441 = 5.1994 BTC [-]
979278;1421428325;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20210 @ 0.00044085 = 8.9096 BTC [-]
979279;1421428362;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20210 @ 0.00044085 = 8.9096 BTC [-]
979280;1421429484;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 2005 @ 0.00067011 = 1.3436 BTC [-] {8} 
979281;1421429511;mod6;!up mircea_popescu
979282;1421429521;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 2809 @ 0.00066791 = 1.8762 BTC [-] {12} 
979283;1421429649;jurov;kakobrekla: maybe because cardano nor its rng is not released yet?
979284;1421429664;asciilifeform;wait wat
979285;1421429672;asciilifeform;why would that thing mention it ever
979286;1421429696;kakobrekla;yea yea
979287;1421429747;jurov;yea, for example NeuG claims: It is a true RNG, with SHA-256 conditioning component.
979288;1421429757;asciilifeform;hilarity.
979289;1421429758;jurov;cardano is another league than this
979290;1421429784;asciilifeform;i wish i knew why folks still think rng is high science. it isn't.
979291;1421429791;kakobrekla;well they rave about "support other crypto project"
979292;1421429795;kakobrekla;but only the unworthy.
979293;1421429821;asciilifeform;there used to be at least half a dozen small pc-based rng on the market.
979294;1421429828;kakobrekla;and mp had direct contact with the man iirc
979295;1421429839;kakobrekla;so i guess i had my expectations scammed
979296;1421429866;asciilifeform;lol
979297;1421430302;jurov;i went on some googling why the "conditioning" and found this gem: http://lwn.net/Articles/525204/
979298;1421430303;assbot;Development [LWN.net] ... ( http://bit.ly/1C80UOa )
979299;1421430309;jurov;Most entropy sources don't produce "good" random numbers. The source may, for example, produce ones only 25% of the time. This doesn't negate the value of the source. However, the "obvious" non-randomness must be eliminated; that is the task of the conditioner.
979300;1421430317;jurov;The output of the conditioner is then fed into a cryptographically secure pseudo-random number generator (CSPRNG). The reason for doing this is that we can better reason about the output of a CSPRNG; by contrast, it is difficult to reason about the output of the entropy source.
979301;1421430319;asciilifeform;'conditioning' normally called 'whitening'
979302;1421430327;asciilifeform;why these folks renamed it, i cannot say.
979303;1421430332;asciilifeform;!s whitening
979304;1421430333;assbot;15 results for 'whitening' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=whitening
979305;1421430335;asciilifeform;^ past threads
979306;1421430342;jurov;wtf "difficult about reason"?
979307;1421430381;jurov;Thus, it is possible to say that the resulting device is at least as secure as a CSPRNG, but, since we have a constant stream of new seeds, we can be confident that it is actually a better source of random numbers than a CSPRNG that is seeded less frequently.
979308;1421430406;asciilifeform;'whitening' an rng is mostly fooling yourself.
979309;1421430466;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-07-2014#757057
979310;1421430466;assbot;Logged on 15-07-2014 20:38:05; asciilifeform: Rassah: why are you using whitening (hashing) in rng? and 'because everyone does' is not acceptable answer.
979311;1421430475;jurov;if it would be merely about von neumann, then ok
979312;1421430489;asciilifeform;von neumann's balancer is not a whitener.
979313;1421430495;jurov;but these people nave a need to construct such reasoning
979314;1421430499;jurov;*have
979315;1421430525;asciilifeform;(how and why it works is a primary school level mathematical proof. i recommend that anyone unfamiliar with it, try to derive)
979316;1421430526;jurov;"the more often we seed it, the better"
979317;1421430545;pete_dushenski;http://www.contravex.com/2015/01/16/go-ahead-jim-prentice-raise-taxes-in-alberta-and-see-if-by-2025-the-province-isnt-an-economic-shithole-like-quebec-and-ontario/ << what good is a blog if you can't take a run at local politicians, amirite?
979318;1421430547;assbot;Go ahead Jim Prentice: raise taxes in Alberta and see if by 2025 the province isn’t an economic shithole like Quebec and Ontario. | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski ... ( http://bit.ly/1C81kEe )
979319;1421430598;pete_dushenski;somehow ended up almost 2300 words in length
979320;1421430751;pete_dushenski;gotta give the politicians something to chew on over the weekend
979321;1421431149;thestringpuller;hey look a pete_dushenski
979322;1421431156;thestringpuller;i see him more often now
979323;1421431175;thestringpuller;Quebec is cool as fuck
979324;1421431177;pete_dushenski;your eyes are just getting better
979325;1421431181;thestringpuller;I <3 french canadians
979326;1421431206;pete_dushenski;fantastic place to visit, wouldn't want to live there.
979327;1421431234;pete_dushenski;so i visit pretty much every year
979328;1421431312;pete_dushenski;thestringpuller where are you located again?
979329;1421431445;thestringpuller;the lost city of Atlanta
979330;1421431580;thestringpuller;!up mircea_popescu
979331;1421431604;pete_dushenski;a yes, where that *other* very bad racist joo is trying to sell the basketball team
979332;1421431618;pete_dushenski;levenson or something
979333;1421431641;thestringpuller;i never knew he owned the hawks until recently
979334;1421431653;thestringpuller;people aren't really complaining too heavily tho locally since the teams is actually good this season
979335;1421431664;thestringpuller;fucking 60 bucks for nose bleed tickets
979336;1421431664;pete_dushenski;what else is levenson known for?
979337;1421431679;mircea_popescu;hallo
979338;1421431680;TomServo;Is that the 'no, I assure you I'm racist' self-outing guy?
979339;1421431694;pete_dushenski;lol yup
979340;1421431715;pete_dushenski;apparently donald sterling is a bit of a trend setter
979341;1421431800;thestringpuller;i srsly though the hawks were still owned by Ted Turner/Time Warner
979342;1421431806;thestringpuller;thought*
979343;1421431811;mircea_popescu;<kakobrekla> and mp had direct contact with the man iirc << who this again ?
979344;1421431824;kakobrekla;onerng or what was it
979345;1421431844;mircea_popescu;well whos the guy ?
979346;1421431859;mircea_popescu;<asciilifeform> why these folks renamed it, i cannot say. << guess/
979347;1421431890;mircea_popescu;pete_dushenski you're missing the point. he won't be there in 2025.
979348;1421431917;pete_dushenski;there's no term limit in alberta
979349;1421431928;mircea_popescu;right.
979350;1421431936;pete_dushenski;though he could well be another fall guy
979351;1421431959;pete_dushenski;like the last chick, lawyer whatever her name was
979352;1421431978;kakobrekla;<mircea_popescu> well whos the guy ? < fuck if i know. i just made a bet he wont reply, but he did. iirc.
979353;1421431983;kakobrekla;not important any way.
979354;1421431988;mircea_popescu;In the immortal rights of Moss, Goddamn right, that's right.  Guys come on: "Oh, the blah blah blah, I know what I'll do: I'll go in and rob everyone blind and go to Argentina cause nobody ever thought of this before."
979355;1421432067;mircea_popescu;but in other news, http://33.media.tumblr.com/67e27cfcdd4a64b5a0ca2e7000e540c4/tumblr_n7cv52cTok1r6rmfno1_500.gif
979356;1421432070;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1AZdHkC )
979357;1421432175;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 1444 @ 0.00069457 = 1.003 BTC [+] {4} 
979358;1421432176;mircea_popescu;"The reason for doing this is that we can better reason about the output of a CSPRNG; by contrast, it is difficult to reason about the output of the entropy source." << gotta love the sweet innocence on display here tho.
979359;1421432201;mircea_popescu;"why do we interact with the fantastic representations in our head rather than with the flesh and blood woman before us ? IT IS EASIER!"
979360;1421432206;mircea_popescu;mmmmmyeah.
979361;1421432245;mircea_popescu;it's not even "easy-difficulty" it's now "better-difficult". fucking psychotic generation already.
979362;1421432270;kakobrekla;https://vine.co/v/OjqeYWWpVWK
979363;1421432271;assbot;Watch SpaceX's Vine "Close, but no cigar. This time." ... ( http://bit.ly/1AZeCS6 )
979364;1421432271;pete_dushenski;same as the linear projection braindamage
979365;1421432282;pete_dushenski;bandwidth, govn't revenue, same shit
979366;1421432317;pete_dushenski;not enough art classes for kids so they get all obsessed with rulers and crayons as adults
979367;1421432332;pete_dushenski;"look mom, i made a straight line to infinity!"
979368;1421432335;mircea_popescu;"here's the temperatures in the past 30 years. on the basis of this, here's how the temperatures woud have been in the past 5000 years, if our presupositions are correct. on the basis of this, here's the story of the future : our presupositions are correct"
979369;1421432347;mircea_popescu;herpy-derp an' a bottle of rum... well not rum. ginger ale.
979370;1421432383;pete_dushenski;fizzy bubbly
979371;1421432424;pete_dushenski;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dNHUpsc5byg
979372;1421432426;assbot;You Dont Mess With The Zohan - FIZZY BUBBLECH - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1AZfjL3 )
979373;1421432734;pete_dushenski;https://twitter.com/UPI << haxxed ?
979374;1421432736;assbot;UPI.com (@UPI) | Twitter ... ( http://bit.ly/1KQTS4C )
979375;1421432798;pete_dushenski;"JUST IN: Bank of America CEO calls for calm: Savings accounts will not be affected by federal reserve decision."
979376;1421432805;pete_dushenski;"Pope: "World War III has begun" "
979377;1421432814;pete_dushenski;"US Joint Chief of staff: USS George Washington damaged, US navy now engaged in active combat against Chinese vessels in South China sea."
979378;1421432829;pete_dushenski;^i'm gonna go with yes
979379;1421432872;thestringpuller;pete_dushenski 2016
979380;1421432876;thestringpuller;vote for pete_dushenski !!!
979381;1421432926;pete_dushenski;i already broke into the b-a lordship in 2014 so...
979382;1421432930;pete_dushenski;:)
979383;1421432977;mircea_popescu;lol
979384;1421433071;mircea_popescu;http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/01/15/us-usa-internet-neutrality-exclusive-idUSKBN0KO2JO20150115
979385;1421433073;assbot;      Exclusive: White House says net neutrality legislation not needed| Reuters ... ( http://bit.ly/1KQUHKM )
979386;1421433073;mircea_popescu;:D
979387;1421433119;mircea_popescu;http://www.forocoches.com/foro/showthread.php?t=4111127 << lolz
979388;1421433121;assbot; Vamos a morir Todos ; III guerra mundial - ForoCoches ... ( http://bit.ly/1KQUNSu )
979389;1421433358;pete_dushenski;it's gone viral!
979390;1421433420;mircea_popescu;lol
979391;1421433457;pete_dushenski;also, the white house "doesn't need" all kinds of things it can't do, like stop assad or whatever
979392;1421433464;asciilifeform;!up midnightmagic
979393;1421433466;asciilifeform;!up mircea_popescu
979394;1421433510;mircea_popescu;pete_dushenski it would seem the story there isthat obama knows that congress can be bought quite cheaply
979395;1421433539;mircea_popescu;it's an unstable situation this, where the supposedly senior rulemaker is cheaper to buy than the supposedly junior partner.
979396;1421433557;mircea_popescu;the solution are as always : either make the senior much richer (which really is not feasible) or break the relationship.
979397;1421433650;asciilifeform;'My suggestion was quite simple: Put that needed code number in a little capsule, and then implant that capsule right next to the heart of a volunteer. The volunteer would carry with him a big, heavy butcher knife as he accompanied the President. If ever the President wanted to fire nuclear weapons, the only way he could do so would be for him first, with his own hands, to kill one human being.'
979398;1421433661;asciilifeform;( http://blog.nuclearsecrecy.com/2012/09/19/the-heart-of-deterrence << old lol )
979399;1421433664;assbot;The Heart of Deterrence | Restricted Data ... ( http://bit.ly/1KQWbV8 )
979400;1421433709;pete_dushenski;mircea_popescu sorry, which relationship are you referring to here?
979401;1421433721;mircea_popescu;congress-white house
979402;1421433735;pete_dushenski;a yes
979403;1421433759;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform who's this idiot
979404;1421433773;pete_dushenski;well obama might be the senior partner, but he's only one man
979405;1421433802;pete_dushenski;which should conceivably always be cheaper than a whole hoard of congressmen
979406;1421433807;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: some academic, quoted in longer piece
979407;1421433834;mircea_popescu;pete_dushenski government is the junior partner by tradition / legislation
979408;1421433889;pete_dushenski;and since the legislation is choking on its own vomit, the tradition is changing?
979409;1421433933;mircea_popescu;maybe.
979410;1421434097;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33435 @ 0.00044609 = 14.915 BTC [+] {2} 
979411;1421434127;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33435 @ 0.00044609 = 14.915 BTC [+] {2} 
979412;1421434482;MetatronOne;http://motherboard.vice.com/read/the-fbi-cant-find-hackers-that-dont-smoke-pot
979413;1421434483;assbot;The FBI Says It Can't Find Hackers to Hire Because They All Smoke Pot | Motherboard ... ( http://bit.ly/1Ap12EX )
979414;1421434484;MetatronOne;how saad
979415;1421434528;mircea_popescu;kinda old tho
979416;1421434542;MetatronOne;well just saw it, had a lol
979417;1421434680;MetatronOne;well atleast they can start smoking while undercover
979418;1421434703;mircea_popescu;it's somehow the fashionable thing, i dunno.
979419;1421435055;undata;this pot legality thing is just another american political football. no one ever had trouble getting weed, nor passing a drug test. its a distraction issue.
979420;1421435093;jurov;rly, no one ever had trouble?
979421;1421435104;undata;no one with a brain
979422;1421435133;asciilifeform;at one point, doping test was more fashionable than today
979423;1421435141;asciilifeform;and it was not necessary to work for usg per se to fall under it.
979424;1421435141;mircea_popescu;http://bitbet.us/bet/1104/the-winkdex-btc-5000-or-more-in-2015/#c4500 lmap
979425;1421435141;assbot;BitBet - The Winkdex: BTC $5000 or more in 2015 :: 9.52 B (24%) on Yes, 30.87 B (76%) on No | closing in 10 months 2 weeks | weight: 99`394 (100`000 to 1) ... ( http://bit.ly/1KQZk7o )
979426;1421435165;undata;asciilifeform: I guess I'm speaking as a guy in his 20s
979427;1421435227;undata;I'm thinking of Oregon's legalization and how its lauded as some social victory
979428;1421435259;undata;meh, life has not materially changed
979429;1421435329;asciilifeform;!up mircea_popescu
979430;1421435385;undata;you want to really change the world, legalize acid
979431;1421435469;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23950 @ 0.00044649 = 10.6934 BTC [+] {2} 
979432;1421435500;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23950 @ 0.00044649 = 10.6934 BTC [+] {2} 
979433;1421435538;danielpbarron;if legalizing stuff changed the world, it would be made illegal
979434;1421435539;jurov;;;ticker
979435;1421435540;gribble;Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 206.56, Best ask: 206.82, Bid-ask spread: 0.26000, Last trade: 206.86, 24 hour volume: 47784.00195866, 24 hour low: 192.0, 24 hour high: 223.15, 24 hour vwap: 210.245475383
979436;1421435551;jurov;wow
979437;1421435802;mircea_popescu;if illegalizing things did anything i'd make mosquitoes illegal
979438;1421435806;mircea_popescu;i have half a mind to do it anyway.
979439;1421435855;asciilifeform;;;google we begin bombing in five minutes
979440;1421435856;gribble;We begin bombing in five minutes - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/We_begin_bombing_in_five_minutes>; Ronald Reagan - We Begin Bombing In 5 Minutes - YouTube: <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wgSSRE27GQ0>; Reagan Bombing Joke - YouTube: <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zv13ZnkpWos>
979441;1421435890;TomServo;http://dailyhashrate.com/2015/01/16/adam-guerbuezs-big-news/
979442;1421435891;assbot;Adam Guerbuez’s Big News ... ( http://bit.ly/1Ap61Fr )
979443;1421435893;TomServo;heh
979444;1421435980;mircea_popescu;lul wut ?
979445;1421436014;TomServo;hadn't heard of dailyhashrate before, reads like bitcoin's onion
979446;1421436054;cazalla;mircea_popescu: if illegalizing things did anything i'd make mosquitoes illegal <<<mosquitoes in BA?
979447;1421436070;mircea_popescu;cazalla no, but i am not an egotist. i think of my fellow man
979448;1421436073;mircea_popescu;and especially woman.
979449;1421436097;*;asciilifeform suspects that most of the world's mosquitoes live not too far from him
979450;1421436110;cazalla;talk is cheap! make them illegal, be a doer like bill gates
979451;1421436115;mircea_popescu;TomServo welll... some guy i never heard of presented on some webpage i never saw before as important, turns out he's another gavin, doing parlour tricks atparties and whatnot.
979452;1421436149;mircea_popescu;cazalla words are cheaper than laws that don't work!
979453;1421436191;TomServo;I thought he was maybe North America's Dotcom knockoff.
979454;1421436203;asciilifeform;'That night I listened while a colonel explained the war in terms of protein. We were a nation of high-protein, meat-eating hunters, while the other guy just ate rice and a few grungy fish heads. We were going to club him to death with our meat; what could you say except, �Colonel, you�re insane�? � Doomsday celebs, technomaniac projectionists; chemicals, gases, lasers, sonic-electric ballbreakers that were still on th
979455;1421436203;asciilifeform;e boards; and for back-up, deep in all their hearts, there were always the Nukes, they loved to remind you that we had some, �right here in-country.� Once I met a colonel who had a plan to shorten the war by dropping piranha into the paddies of the North. He was talking fish but his dreamy eyes were full of mega-death.'
979456;1421436232;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19400 @ 0.00044654 = 8.6629 BTC [+]
979457;1421436262;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19400 @ 0.00044654 = 8.6629 BTC [+]
979458;1421436304;mircea_popescu;i wonder what the us army would look like on the ground if they actually started eating the afghanistani.
979459;1421436311;mircea_popescu;"bring some dead isis to cook tonight"
979460;1421436338;asciilifeform;remains in question who will be the cook, and who - the meal
979461;1421436364;mircea_popescu;i dunno how inclined teh arabs would be to fight if losing means they're eaten.
979462;1421436387;asciilifeform;do they give a damn re: being eaten? now pigburial may be another matter.
979463;1421436393;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mN3z3eSVG7A
979464;1421436394;assbot;Reagan tells Soviet jokes - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1Ap7uf9 )
979465;1421436471;undata;https://quranexplained.wordpress.com/2010/01/11/cannibalism-in-the-quran/ << dunno the veracity of this
979466;1421436473;assbot;Cannibalism in the Quran | Quran Explained ... ( http://bit.ly/1Ap7DiG )
979467;1421436520;mircea_popescu;it's a huge no-no. you can't go into afterlife anymore.
979468;1421436525;mircea_popescu;you, basically, BECOME sheep.
979469;1421436563;undata;better than turned into an islamic woman
979470;1421436576;mircea_popescu;no, not actually.
979471;1421436590;mircea_popescu;that's the female prayer, thank you allah for not having made me sheep (beast of field)
979472;1421436799;mircea_popescu;the one with "too important, i didn;t recognize him" had me rolling on the floor lol
979473;1421437002;mircea_popescu;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tetk_ayO1x4 << kickass woman.
979474;1421437004;assbot;Margaret Thatcher No No No - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1Ap9kN1 )
979475;1421437222;asciilifeform;!up mircea_popescu
979476;1421437353;joecool;i wish -assets would take on attempting to make gnupg2 less horrible, which is the preferred version of gnupg in here anyway?
979477;1421437417;mircea_popescu;i dont use gnupg2
979478;1421437432;asciilifeform;1.4
979479;1421437438;asciilifeform;i do have 2 somewhere
979480;1421437452;asciilifeform;but what is the horrible part ?
979481;1421437455;joecool;1.4 was decent for usability, 2 i am constantly fighting
979482;1421437467;mircea_popescu;so use 1.4
979483;1421437469;asciilifeform;fighting how and why ?
979484;1421437476;joecool;asciilifeform: it's just ugly ugly horrible software, unintuitive, i have to swap out pinentry implementation between environments
979485;1421437480;joecool;i can't do a static build
979486;1421437494;asciilifeform;now the code is virtually unreadable, and this is true for all versions. no argument.
979487;1421437504;cazalla;i use to cover the company A raises X amount of capital but have been skipping them as you could really just word replace the amount and company name from a previous article and be done with it. does anyone actually care about such things and wishes to see them?
979488;1421437516;mircea_popescu;you don't undertand, it's optimized!
979489;1421437525;asciilifeform;speaking of which, did artifexd follow mircea_popescu's prescription and use a hacked gpg for 'gossip' ?
979490;1421437541;mircea_popescu;cazalla not particularly. unless you either have exclusivity, a scoop or actual documents,
979491;1421437550;mircea_popescu;they must PAY To have such articles published. in that they're fraud.
979492;1421437608;joecool;asciilifeform: it's just constant fighting to do most anything with the software, it's laid out poorly, simple tasks like minting smartcards, i literally have to back up the config directory for it and copy to mint more cards
979493;1421437626;asciilifeform;smartcards ?!
979494;1421437634;joecool;yeah i know you hate them
979495;1421437722;joecool;if i needed to protect from a 3-letter agency i'd have bigger problems than the shortcomings of a smartcard
979496;1421437775;mircea_popescu;that's not how you build effectual deterrence. that's how you set yourself up to shrem.
979497;1421437811;mircea_popescu;nobody ever said "if i'm ever in a fire i'll have bigger problems than this tiny fire hydrant can solve"
979498;1421438096;ben_vulpes;good morning PinkPosixPXE
979499;1421438214;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3978 @ 0.00044654 = 1.7763 BTC [+]
979500;1421438245;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3978 @ 0.00044654 = 1.7763 BTC [+]
979501;1421438759;joecool;mircea_popescu: there are two major problems with this implementation that i see.  both are problems the cardano solves, 1. the system knows it's a smartcard and malicious software could use it, and 2. weak entropy generation for signing
979502;1421438914;joecool;an adversary with large resources will likely be able to get around that through forced coercion before even needing to try to attack the implementation (which I still believe would be a nontrivial task unless the system had a rootkit installed that maliciously generated signatures, that i would see on the counter)
979503;1421439053;xanthyos;!up mircea_popescu
979504;1421439572;mircea_popescu;joecool the 2nd's most concerning.
979505;1421439604;mircea_popescu;entropy could be more important for encryption than signing.
979506;1421439635;mircea_popescu;and inasmuch as you're a person rather than an organisation, "forced coercion" is really not very much use.
979507;1421439716;mircea_popescu;unrelatedly : today i find that prior to 1820 or so, hawaii was all-nude, and that the proper an' traditional hula dance is to be done without panties or other apparel.
979508;1421439855;joecool;mircea_popescu: i was unaware of the entropy issues on signing until after this was implemented, until then i had assumed it was only important to generate the keys themselves with sufficient entropy
979509;1421439883;joecool;but i will continue to read on this and see if i can come up with a better way to handle it
979510;1421439916;mircea_popescu;well, depending of what you actually need to sign, never putting your signed matter over the wire unencrypted can help a lot.
979511;1421439940;mircea_popescu;in that it drastically limits the pool of potential attackers and attackable material.
979512;1421440661;PinkPosixPXE;morning ben_vulpes .. sorry, I got pulled into a meeting hehe
979513;1421440665;PinkPosixPXE;didn't mean to be impolite
979514;1421440690;PinkPosixPXE;glad gribble is back
979515;1421440701;PinkPosixPXE;and assbot
979516;1421441170;MetatronOne;mircea_popescu> unrelatedly : today i find that prior to 1820 or so, hawaii was all-nude, and that the proper an' traditional hula dance is to be done without panties or other apparel. | woah. what a way to ruin it!
979517;1421441189;mircea_popescu;innit.
979518;1421441325;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26654 @ 0.00045597 = 12.1534 BTC [+] {2} 
979519;1421441356;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26654 @ 0.00045597 = 12.1534 BTC [+] {2} 
979520;1421442311;mircea_popescu;http://38.media.tumblr.com/1b4679dd86b61285c4233e5e2990391f/tumblr_mrbvb5QX9k1rlq2woo1_500.gif
979521;1421442313;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1AZVO5l )
979522;1421442453;teward;mircea_popescu: you should probably tag your NSFW as NSFW >.>
979523;1421442492;mircea_popescu;teward you are aware this place has a history and so on, right ? read it and all ?
979524;1421442511;teward;mircea_popescu: yes, just sayin for those of us who IRC while in class from the back of the room... ;)
979525;1421442516;*;teward has privacy screens on either way but still
979526;1421442531;*;teward is also *insanely* bored today in class
979527;1421442537;danielpbarron;if that wasn't safe for your work then you need to find new work
979528;1421442541;mircea_popescu;please don't #bitcoin-assets in class.
979529;1421442562;teward;mircea_popescu: please don't force me to sit through a 4 hour lecture on my own state's history without some distraction >.>
979530;1421442563;teward;:P
979531;1421442578;teward;(hot though)
979532;1421442592;*;mircea_popescu is exceptionally not an asshole
979533;1421442597;mircea_popescu;they say it about me tho!
979534;1421442607;mircea_popescu;the government!
979535;1421442774;mircea_popescu;;;tslb
979536;1421442780;gribble;Time since last block: 6 minutes and 29 seconds
979537;1421443367;ben_vulpes;-assets is highly async, PinkPosixPXE - didn't read any impoliteness
979538;1421443410;mircea_popescu;good logs promote that huh.
979539;1421443445;jurov;i don't know how i managed to survive 4 hour lectures on uni, had only nokia brick then
979540;1421443503;jurov;it was data capable, but plans were too expensive
979541;1421443551;mircea_popescu;i mostly hung out with the girls. and if the girls didn't show up i mostly harrangued the prof.
979542;1421443951;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31686 @ 0.00044044 = 13.9558 BTC [-] {2} 
979543;1421443979;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31686 @ 0.00044044 = 13.9558 BTC [-] {2} 
979544;1421444711;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24000 @ 0.00043981 = 10.5554 BTC [-] {2} 
979545;1421444736;ben_vulpes;http://io9.com/high-speed-video-reveals-the-source-of-that-incredible-1679834126
979546;1421444738;assbot;High-Speed Video Reveals The Source Of That Incredible After-Rain Smell ... ( http://bit.ly/1KRbIUX )
979547;1421444744;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24000 @ 0.00043981 = 10.5554 BTC [-] {2} 
979548;1421445494;ben_vulpes;<kakobrekla> https://vine.co/v/OjqeYWWpVWK << totally worth reposting
979549;1421445495;assbot;Watch SpaceX's Vine "Close, but no cigar. This time." ... ( http://bit.ly/1KRdBRz )
979550;1421445669;TomServo;That must be the best use of vine to date.
979551;1421445785;ben_vulpes;i love how they have precisely 1 vine
979552;1421445852;mircea_popescu;http://40.media.tumblr.com/da1b72c5f0f91db82314623d9d05f6de/tumblr_n33ogusigd1rd6pezo1_500.jpg
979553;1421445853;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1KReaee )
979554;1421445862;mircea_popescu;speaking of ... wine.
979555;1421445870;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16811 @ 0.00045262 = 7.609 BTC [+]
979556;1421445903;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16811 @ 0.00045262 = 7.609 BTC [+]
979557;1421446098;ben_vulpes;love the cameraphone in the back there
979558;1421446149;mircea_popescu;chicks face with the phone too.
979559;1421446294;ben_vulpes;p lulzy
979560;1421446786;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19100 @ 0.00045561 = 8.7022 BTC [+]
979561;1421446818;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19100 @ 0.00045561 = 8.7022 BTC [+]
979562;1421447133;mircea_popescu;http://qntra.net/2015/01/its-easy-to-call-us-a-tiny-minority-when-you-engage-in-vote-manipulation/#comment-7446
979563;1421447134;assbot;It's Easy To Call Us A Tiny Minority When You Engage In Vote Manipulation | Qntra.net ... ( http://bit.ly/1udziRn )
979564;1421447146;mircea_popescu;the redditards are kinda too easy to poke fun at
979565;1421447673;danielpbarron;http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/2sn71a/come_byhangout_and_tip_nsfw/cnr1fat
979566;1421447674;assbot;Billistixx comments on Come by,hangout and tip! NSFW ... ( http://bit.ly/1udAqEI )
979567;1421447719;asciilifeform;what is with reddit and the 'tipping' thing? is everyone 'roleplaying' a waiter, a bootblack ?
979568;1421447730;mircea_popescu;on reddit ? yes.
979569;1421447798;asciilifeform;what's the appeal ? i find it hard to picture any of them amassing any kind of serious coin this way
979570;1421447814;danielpbarron;they feel like they are doing something
979571;1421447824;asciilifeform;or is it a kind of chumpatronic acid trip, like lotteries
979572;1421447825;danielpbarron;like johnny appleseed or something
979573;1421447856;danielpbarron;johnny millibit
979574;1421448215;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform no im pretty sure he has it. "they feel like they're doing something". much like their education.
979575;1421448223;mircea_popescu;not learning anything, but hey, they've gone to college.
979576;1421448235;mircea_popescu;same here : not doing anything, but hey, they're "involved" with bitcoin.
979577;1421448312;asciilifeform;the part that's puzzling is - a classical cargo cult has 'the airplane flies', or an analogous prayed-for outcome
979578;1421448319;asciilifeform;what do the reddit folks want ?
979579;1421448324;mircea_popescu;"change the world"
979580;1421448330;mircea_popescu;"innovate" "revolutionize"
979581;1421448336;mircea_popescu;practically, everything turning to shit.
979582;1421448350;mircea_popescu;also, if they never hear a dissenting opinion ever again that'll be soon enough.
979583;1421448364;asciilifeform;the earlier crowed of 'early adopting' cultist weirdos made considerably more sense to me. they just wanted 'to get rich,' i.e., to quit their jobs
979584;1421448372;davout;they kind of think that some random guy that never heard about bitcoin will be thrilled to receive a fraction of a cent in magic internet money, redeem it, and start spreading adopshun
979585;1421448381;asciilifeform;*crowd
979586;1421448427;mircea_popescu;yes. as ideas spread on the internet, the derps they touch become increasingly nonsensical.
979587;1421448440;mircea_popescu;early computer program almost made sense, even to me.
979588;1421448507;davout;somehow they're too dumb to realize that their 'tips' are more insulting and spammy than anything...
979589;1421448549;mircea_popescu;hey, the average domestic animal regards its keeper as an animal of the same age and the same gender as it is.
979590;1421448566;mircea_popescu;so... what do you mean not everybody on the internet is a dumbass ?
979591;1421448587;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16400 @ 0.00046254 = 7.5857 BTC [+]
979592;1421448615;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16400 @ 0.00046254 = 7.5857 BTC [+]
979593;1421448831;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 221 @ 0.00639953 = 1.4143 BTC [+] {4} 
979594;1421448859;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 470 @ 0.0064553 = 3.034 BTC [+] {4} 
979595;1421448892;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 260 @ 0.00649999 = 1.69 BTC [+] {2} 
979596;1421450295;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3235 @ 0.00045561 = 1.4739 BTC [-]
979597;1421450323;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3235 @ 0.00045561 = 1.4739 BTC [-]
979598;1421450472;artifexd;<asciilifeform> speaking of which, did artifexd follow mircea_popescu's prescription and use a hacked gpg for 'gossip' ?  << No. I'm using go's openpgp code. However, I'm structuring the code so that I can later add the option do the crypto via a shell out to gpg. Then you can use whatever version of gpg your heart desires.
979599;1421450486;asciilifeform;go?
979600;1421450493;artifexd;Yes
979601;1421450498;asciilifeform;and shell-out ?!?!
979602;1421450502;artifexd;Yes
979603;1421450504;asciilifeform;that's deadly slow
979604;1421450516;asciilifeform;per packet ?!?!
979605;1421450523;artifexd;The shell out will be slow. Yup.
979606;1421450585;*;asciilifeform will not be using this horror, will run his own client.
979607;1421450664;*;asciilifeform is rather sad to learn what he just learned.
979608;1421450717;davout;he just said it would be an option...
979609;1421450725;asciilifeform;davout: read again
979610;1421450755;artifexd;read what again? davout is correct.
979611;1421450757;davout;"later add the option do the crypto via a shell out to gpg"
979612;1421450760;asciilifeform;davout: 1) his gizmo is in 'go', a google-proprietary turdlang 2) he's using its built-in crypto routines 3) if you don't like this, have fun waiting 300-500msec/packet using the shell-callout
979613;1421450783;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu ^ knew this ?
979614;1421450788;artifexd;I'm not going to write in lisp.
979615;1421450795;asciilifeform;i wouldn't either
979616;1421450816;artifexd;He said "write it in whatever you want as long as it compiles on linux"
979617;1421450836;davout;is go proprietary?
979618;1421450844;asciilifeform;the original rfc also mentioned specifically use of gpg cryptoroutines
979619;1421450863;artifexd;Yeah. Hence the shell out.
979620;1421450874;davout;iirc it said 'steal some gpg code' can be wrong here tho
979621;1421450902;asciilifeform;'go' is a turd that i will not have on my systems.
979622;1421450912;asciilifeform;along with 'java', 'c#', etc.
979623;1421450935;davout;rfc sez "Steal gpg code - any version prior to the Snowden defection"
979624;1421450956;artifexd;I could write it in C or C++ but cross compiling is an absolute nightmare that I choose not to put up with.
979625;1421450963;asciilifeform;cross-compiling ?
979626;1421450974;asciilifeform;why?
979627;1421450981;artifexd;Because I'm writing it.
979628;1421450990;asciilifeform;yes, but why cross?
979629;1421451004;asciilifeform;what are you developing on? a vax ?
979630;1421451014;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform i have no idea, it's an open spec.
979631;1421451016;artifexd;My daily dev machine is Windows.
979632;1421451020;asciilifeform;!b 1
979633;1421451021;assbot;Last 1 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/2H031NX.txt )
979634;1421451028;artifexd;My alternate dev machine is OSX.
979635;1421451042;artifexd;I have linux servers and vm's that I use for testing.
979636;1421451047;mircea_popescu;go for windows ?
979637;1421451070;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform what's the problem anyway, you weren't going to run his binaries ? no os compiler for it ?
979638;1421451081;asciilifeform;i don't run other folks' binaries.
979639;1421451087;artifexd;go compiles on the big os's.  Windows/Linux/OSX/BSD
979640;1421451087;mircea_popescu;right.
979641;1421451100;asciilifeform;and i fucking hate turdlangs.
979642;1421451108;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform can you be specific ?
979643;1421451116;mircea_popescu;i know about as much of go as i know about hawaii.
979644;1421451130;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: it's a google-proprietary language similar to 'd.'
979645;1421451150;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: nominally open-source, but in the same sense as apple's 'darwin' kernel - that is, nobody who isn't paid, reads it
979646;1421451156;mircea_popescu;so c is a gnu proprietary language ? what's a proprietary language ?
979647;1421451163;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: massive megalith of vendor libs, that one is expected to use
979648;1421451184;mircea_popescu;so it has open compiler but not open libs ?
979649;1421451192;artifexd;All the libs are open
979650;1421451193;asciilifeform;it's all, theoretically, open
979651;1421451197;mircea_popescu;wouldn't one expect the libs also compile ?!
979652;1421451204;asciilifeform;but developed exclusively, afaik, for x86 and arm
979653;1421451209;mircea_popescu;...
979654;1421451221;mircea_popescu;what else is there ?!
979655;1421451228;asciilifeform;the free world.
979656;1421451241;mircea_popescu;... i run x86 ? don't you ?
979657;1421451250;asciilifeform;i run virtually every arch i know of.
979658;1421451257;mircea_popescu;and right now ?
979659;1421451267;asciilifeform;86
979660;1421451286;asciilifeform;but would like the option of getting off it. esp. for particular applications.
979661;1421451296;mircea_popescu;so what do you want to run it on ?
979662;1421451301;asciilifeform;as discussed a few days ago, i recently installed a mips64 router.
979663;1421451307;asciilifeform;would like, for example, to run on that.
979664;1421451314;mircea_popescu;mips gossipd ?
979665;1421451315;asciilifeform;incidentally everything that runs on it, is built on it.
979666;1421451318;asciilifeform;yes.
979667;1421451328;mircea_popescu;that pretty much means c - only you realise ?
979668;1421451332;asciilifeform;yes.
979669;1421451351;asciilifeform;it is in fact possible to write correct 'c', you know.
979670;1421451366;mircea_popescu;well you know it occurs to me it'd be a lot more productive if you go in early with a "hey, could it please be c ? i would like to run this on mips" discussion than a late paniucwhen guy picks whatever he happened to pick.
979671;1421451369;mircea_popescu;at least it's not ruby.
979672;1421451379;asciilifeform;i didn't commission the thing, lol
979673;1421451403;davout;mircea_popescu: what's so wrong with ruby anyway?
979674;1421451406;asciilifeform;was sorta trying to keep my dirty hands off it
979675;1421451422;mircea_popescu;apparently go is acutally used on mips ?
979676;1421451437;asciilifeform;it quite possibly can be made to run on bigengian mips
979677;1421451440;mircea_popescu;davout let's keep the drama one strand at a time
979678;1421451450;asciilifeform;it didn't even occur to me that anyone would write such a thing in anything other than c
979679;1421451454;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform openwrt apparently
979680;1421451457;davout;i was about to add 'specifically?' :D
979681;1421451524;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform so other people like other languages, big whoop.
979682;1421451555;asciilifeform;it isn't simply an 'other language', it's a massive toolchain created and maintained by a usg satrap.
979683;1421451567;asciilifeform;and used scarcely anywhere else
979684;1421451601;asciilifeform;i know of no reason to put one lick of trust in its crypto libs, for example.
979685;1421451619;mircea_popescu;well, conversely, now they get to be reviewed.
979686;1421451625;asciilifeform;by whom ?
979687;1421451626;mircea_popescu;apparently first ever.
979688;1421451628;mircea_popescu;by you lol
979689;1421451631;asciilifeform;nope.
979690;1421451639;mircea_popescu;you won't run it or read it ?
979691;1421451675;asciilifeform;i'll run own client. (will tweak it for compatibility with the rest of you, when i have a little time.) and invite anyone who wishes, to read.
979692;1421451713;mircea_popescu;so basically you want to write your own c variant ?
979693;1421451720;asciilifeform;i mostly have.
979694;1421451735;mircea_popescu;well so why do you want him to also write it in c ? go is a better choice neh ?
979695;1421451756;asciilifeform;better choice ?!
979696;1421451769;mircea_popescu;well yes. that way it gets implemented in two languages.
979697;1421451898;*;asciilifeform was simply floored with mindfuck that anyone would choose google's turdlang for a piece of critical infrastructure, and could not resist ringing the bell
979698;1421451942;mircea_popescu;but i still dunno wtf is wrong with it. so, it has open compiler. it has open libraries.
979699;1421451949;mircea_popescu;supposedly nobody ever read these
979700;1421451956;mircea_popescu;well... guess what ? nobody ever read fucking linux, either.
979701;1421451958;asciilifeform;it wasn't around in '89. won't build on a vax.
979702;1421451966;asciilifeform;basically, does not predate the age of corruption.
979703;1421451970;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 2121 @ 0.00069632 = 1.4769 BTC [+] {4} 
979704;1421451984;mircea_popescu;listen, if you don't start fucking girls born after X at some point, you'll be stuck in wrinkle heaven.
979705;1421451988;asciilifeform;and tainted with known satanic minion's juice.
979706;1421452003;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 3850 @ 0.0006986 = 2.6896 BTC [+] {6} 
979707;1421452006;mircea_popescu;anything specific re juice ?
979708;1421452009;asciilifeform;google
979709;1421452018;mircea_popescu;no, that's vague lol.
979710;1421452031;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 1729 @ 0.00070141 = 1.2127 BTC [+] {2} 
979711;1421452037;asciilifeform;not that vague. google brass dine with the fuhrer regularly, etc. this is well-known.
979712;1421452054;mircea_popescu;dude you can't impeach people on the grounds that they ate with hitler.
979713;1421452067;asciilifeform;not merely ate.
979714;1421452081;asciilifeform;google is the i.g.farben of this particular hitler.
979715;1421452096;mircea_popescu;well ok, sure, but still. i dun see the problem, so b-a guy wants to play with go. his choice, his signature, why is this an issue.
979716;1421452139;asciilifeform;and fella uses a winblows box for daily life ?!?!
979717;1421452152;asciilifeform;someone still remains here in #b-a, of such a habit?
979718;1421452160;asciilifeform;i confess, never imagined this could be.
979719;1421452165;mircea_popescu;well it's basically like an older ubuntu.
979720;1421452175;asciilifeform;l0l!
979721;1421452185;mircea_popescu;trust people, ignore things eh ?
979722;1421452210;mircea_popescu;if i pick a barber i don't go by the straight razor brand.
979723;1421452226;asciilifeform;but suppose he lubricates the razor in his own liquid shit.
979724;1421452235;asciilifeform;will still 'trust the man, ignore the things' ?
979725;1421452238;mircea_popescu;can you point to this ?
979726;1421452256;mircea_popescu;and dun say "google" again lol.
979727;1421452282;asciilifeform;let's say, specifically the use of questionable crypto routines
979728;1421452299;mircea_popescu;if only great wautu blessed us with some unquestionable crypto routines.
979729;1421452314;asciilifeform;lol
979730;1421452340;mircea_popescu;anyway. guy can use whatever crypto routines he's comfortable with, on the general understanding that he's read them and is actually comfortable with them
979731;1421452348;mircea_popescu;as opposed to... well... it's what the build pulled in.
979732;1421452358;asciilifeform;i'll save the rest for when artifexd posts his apparatus.
979733;1421452388;asciilifeform;don't want to discourage people - but also can't see wtf is wrong with using same environment gpg was written and built in.
979734;1421452422;mircea_popescu;seems a reasonable approach tbh, but generally people should free to use whatever they wish to use.
979735;1421452447;artifexd;How could the crypto routines be compromised in a way that would matter?  Weak key generation? gossipd doesn't generate keys.  Weak rng during encryption? I pick the rng (and can offer an option for you to supply your own).  Encrypting a message with an "extra" key so peet can read it? That should be easy to see in the code.
979736;1421452475;asciilifeform;doesn't generate keys?!
979737;1421452482;mircea_popescu;artifexd weak encryption altogether.
979738;1421452482;asciilifeform;where do the ephemeral keys come from
979739;1421452491;asciilifeform;or the blockcipher symmetrics?
979740;1421452510;mircea_popescu;artifexd not to be taken lightly this. a lot can be compromised in gossipd crypto.
979741;1421452510;artifexd;I'm talking about the identity keys.
979742;1421452523;asciilifeform;them - sure. but they are not the only keys.
979743;1421452569;mircea_popescu;even if you use rsa-only keys, you can rsa-encrypt a message so that it's easier to break but still decryptable by destination.
979744;1421452578;mircea_popescu;numerous attacks/approaches for this purpose.
979745;1421452582;asciilifeform;this is very easy to achieve.
979746;1421452608;artifexd;Can you do it?
979747;1421452617;artifexd;Can you explain to me how *I* could do it?
979748;1421452625;artifexd;Point me to education?
979749;1421452638;asciilifeform;artifexd: certainly. search for term of art 'kleptography.'
979750;1421452644;*;mircea_popescu is in awe at discussion suddenly turned productive.
979751;1421452663;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform good time to be very speciffic.
979752;1421452681;mircea_popescu;Using Cryptography Against Cryptography. Adam Young and Moti Yung.
979753;1421452682;asciilifeform;artifexd: i recommend a particular monograph, 'malicious crypto' by a. l. young & moti m. young.
979754;1421452687;mircea_popescu;hah
979755;1421452689;asciilifeform;lol mircea_popescu inb4
979756;1421452753;asciilifeform;artifexd: well-thumbed copy of this right here on my desk. beautiful book, if you skip all the parts that must have been thrown in to give it a sensational/saleable 'seekoority' flavour (vignette about h4xx0rz shuffling floppies around in ch.1, mostly)
979757;1421452789;asciilifeform;artifexd: the most basic 'kleptography' takes the form of slipping bits of key into variables which are normally random. but there are more subtle channels.
979758;1421452796;asciilifeform;(term of art 'covert channel')
979759;1421452805;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform you got a link to that hacking course thing that was crypto oriented ?
979760;1421452819;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: can remember more specific ?
979761;1421452821;mircea_popescu;i been looking for it magically can't find it. the one that had the rsa break in the last fascicle
979762;1421452861;artifexd;Book purchased.
979763;1421452868;asciilifeform;!s pollard rho
979764;1421452868;assbot;1 results for 'pollard rho' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=pollard+rho
979765;1421452882;asciilifeform;damn, thought it might have been in that thread
979766;1421452901;mircea_popescu;nono it was a course, you were supposed to email your results
979767;1421452916;asciilifeform;hm
979768;1421452921;asciilifeform;i definitely remember that this existed.
979769;1421452924;artifexd;http://cryptopals.com/
979770;1421452925;assbot;The Matasano Crypto Challenges ... ( http://bit.ly/1E8npC3 )
979771;1421452932;asciilifeform;artifexd found it.
979772;1421452946;mircea_popescu;there we go!
979773;1421452947;asciilifeform;ty
979774;1421452963;artifexd;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-08-2014#792968
979775;1421452963;assbot;Logged on 12-08-2014 15:50:28; artifexd: http://cryptopals.com/ <- some nice lessons teaching how crypto works, how to attack it, and how easy it is to screw it up
979776;1421452972;mircea_popescu;stupid fucking name. anyway, towards the end there's some good foundational stuff. perhaps not directly useful for the purpose at hand, but very good to get your head swiveled in the right position
979777;1421452977;mircea_popescu;re crypto vulnerability.
979778;1421452989;mircea_popescu;lol it was HIS link ?
979779;1421452990;mircea_popescu;ahjahaha
979780;1421452999;asciilifeform;bleichenbacher's oracle, in particular
979781;1421453044;artifexd;I will pause coding to read "Malicious Crypto" and finish the course.  I'll report back when I'm done and made a decision re: golang's crypto libraries.
979782;1421453307;asciilifeform;http://repo.hackerzvoice.net/depot_madchat/vxdevl/avtech/Malicious%20Cryptography%20-%20Exposing%20Cryptovirology.pdf
979783;1421453308;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1E8ol9L )
979784;1421453309;asciilifeform;^ w4r3z
979785;1421453366;asciilifeform;http://repo.hackerzvoice.net/depot_madchat/vxdevl/avtech << many classic and otherwise interesting pieces
979786;1421453367;assbot;Index of /depot_madchat/vxdevl/avtech ... ( http://bit.ly/1E8oslC )
979787;1421453438;asciilifeform;http://repo.hackerzvoice.net/depot_madchat/vxdevl/interviews << interviews with old-school crapware artists, somewhat interesting zoology
979788;1421453439;assbot;Index of /depot_madchat/vxdevl/interviews ... ( http://bit.ly/1E8ozxA )
979789;1421453467;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 40600 @ 0.00044297 = 17.9846 BTC [-] {2} 
979790;1421453495;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 50187 @ 0.00044223 = 22.1942 BTC [-] {4} 
979791;1421453528;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 47000 @ 0.00043747 = 20.5611 BTC [-] {5} 
979792;1421453556;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 37413 @ 0.00043704 = 16.351 BTC [-] {3} 
979793;1421453844;asciilifeform;';Urko is a dog. Urko is one of my best friends. Urko is a fantastic dog becoz sometimes..... Urko SPEAKS! Urko is very timid and only speaks to me...and not always...urko only speaks when both,urko and me,we start to smoke that rare cigarretes that urko has. Then urko start to speak a lot of :) and we stay all night speaking,smoking and seeing films orplaying trivial pursuit,or coding,or doing a lot of things :)'
979794;1421453862;asciilifeform;(source: http://repo.hackerzvoice.net/depot_madchat/vxdevl/vxsrc/Win32/win32.Urk0/win32.Urk0.asm )
979795;1421453863;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1uauQsn )
979796;1421453882;asciilifeform;next time contemplating the raving insanity of 'reddit' bitcoin users, etc. - read these.
979797;1421453955;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34624 @ 0.00043262 = 14.979 BTC [-] {2} 
979798;1421453983;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 48500 @ 0.0004291 = 20.8114 BTC [-] {4} 
979799;1421454016;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13876 @ 0.00042036 = 5.8329 BTC [-] {2} 
979800;1421454388;*;asciilifeform often wonders what happened to those people.
979801;1421454483;mircea_popescu;sounds like that much acid.
979802;1421454509;asciilifeform;evidently not too much acid, because - they ran.
979803;1421454538;mircea_popescu;ballmer's constant, but for acid.
979804;1421454566;asciilifeform;where are these kids now.
979805;1421454570;asciilifeform;can't all be dead.
979806;1421454631;mircea_popescu;sheeit!
979807;1421455404;kakobrekla;anyway, the wot has been forked into assbot and is running now
979808;1421455421;asciilifeform;kakobrekla: congrats !
979809;1421455432;mircea_popescu;yay
979810;1421455434;kakobrekla;that means we are no longer depended on gribble
979811;1421455449;kakobrekla;and some changes have been made.
979812;1421455450;asciilifeform;are these synchro-forks or fork-forks ?
979813;1421455464;kakobrekla;as ascii pointe out, session is bad so there is no more that.
979814;1421455472;kakobrekla;each auth worth command gets own otp
979815;1421455476;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform the idea is to import gribble's wot but mark it as gribble's, and allow others to import assbot's wot.
979816;1421455477;kakobrekla;worthy*
979817;1421455495;mircea_popescu;i'll get on nano's case to see if he's willing to put it all into gribble.
979818;1421455500;kakobrekla;for example, i have upped myself via pm, yet;
979819;1421455511;kakobrekla;!rate mircea_popescu -10 scammer
979820;1421455511;assbot;Request successful, get your OTP: http://w.b-a.link/otp/1f7f6d235233d678
979821;1421455516;mircea_popescu;o yay
979822;1421455521;mircea_popescu;duuude...
979823;1421455523;asciilifeform;neato!
979824;1421455532;kakobrekla;!verify assbot:kakobrekla.rate.mircea_popescu.-10:61751f23d45137825f4ecd78de4a6afb42d01c5d9c6b802b6ec6f4b135e47504
979825;1421455532;assbot;Successfully updated the rating for mircea_popescu from 3 to -10 with note: scammer
979826;1421455535;mircea_popescu;this is almost as if someone sat down and thought about it.
979827;1421455563;kakobrekla;!rate mircea_popescu 5 good fella
979828;1421455563;assbot;Request successful, get your OTP: http://w.b-a.link/otp/d625cacf59990e9f
979829;1421455573;kakobrekla;!v assbot:kakobrekla.rate.mircea_popescu.5:1676039169b957f6a18439b6daeade5919887f01b82d832f7b01e7e97885216c
979830;1421455573;assbot;Successfully updated the rating for mircea_popescu from -10 to 5 with note: good fella
979831;1421455587;kakobrekla;!rated mircea_popescu
979832;1421455587;assbot;You rated user mircea_popescu on 16-Dec-2012, with a rating of 5, and supplied these additional notes: good fella.
979833;1421455593;kakobrekla;!gettrust mircea_popescu
979834;1421455594;assbot;Trust relationship from user kakobrekla to user mircea_popescu: Level 1: 5, Level 2: 47 via 31 connections. | http://w.b-a.link/trust/kakobrekla/mircea_popescu | http://w.b-a.link/user/mircea_popescu
979835;1421455602;kakobrekla;!gettrust assbot mircea_popescu
979836;1421455603;assbot;Trust relationship from user assbot to user mircea_popescu: Level 1: 1, Level 2: 27 via 27 connections. | http://w.b-a.link/trust/assbot/mircea_popescu | http://w.b-a.link/user/mircea_popescu
979837;1421455605;mircea_popescu;fcking hell ?!
979838;1421455624;kakobrekla;there is also !unrate and !changekey
979839;1421455630;mircea_popescu;ok this is like splendid
979840;1421455638;asciilifeform;kakobrekla: how does changekey work ?
979841;1421455675;mircea_popescu;kakobrekla can it have another field, the user json ?
979842;1421455687;mircea_popescu;[source] =>
979843;1421455695;mircea_popescu;with possible values "Gribble" "Assbot" so far ?
979844;1421455696;kakobrekla;!changekey CB39A1B24F01ADE0A597552D70C68A9048079D7A
979845;1421455696;assbot;Request successful, get your OTP: http://w.b-a.link/otp/9493f77dcc359a13
979846;1421455708;kakobrekla;!v assbot:kakobrekla.changekey.cb39a1b24f01ade0a597552d70c68a9048079d7a:f08dfbbdc1e3292ded6d3e8072857f50c284aa922832b4329354bd5cb54b45c7
979847;1421455708;assbot;Key 48079D7A / "test test <test@test>" successfully imported.
979848;1421455708;assbot;New key fingerprint for kakobrekla is: CB39A1B24F01ADE0A597552D70C68A9048079D7A
979849;1421455774;kakobrekla;!changekey 27C3CE9A20851312F086268C27AF75321F2489E8
979850;1421455774;assbot;Request successful, get your OTP: http://w.b-a.link/otp/5fcd835b15264557
979851;1421455794;kakobrekla;!v assbot:kakobrekla.changekey.27c3ce9a20851312f086268c27af75321f2489e8:bfef481697fe5e3612c388f8d894f2d1d624e57cf99c1545f9a65b98ce076a62
979852;1421455794;assbot;No changes, key already exists.
979853;1421455798;kakobrekla;bah!
979854;1421455822;kakobrekla;imm just hax this manually.
979855;1421455855;kakobrekla;asciilifeform satisfactory answer ?
979856;1421455859;asciilifeform;aha
979857;1421455860;asciilifeform;neato!
979858;1421455942;kakobrekla;mircea_popescu what do you mean 'source' ?
979859;1421455948;kakobrekla;what is the value of source
979860;1421455983;PeterL;I did it!
979861;1421456055;kakobrekla;cool
979862;1421456202;kakobrekla;ah forgot to mention, otps can be executed out of order, but they are valid only for 15 min
979863;1421456221;kakobrekla;and you dont have to be on chan to use it.
979864;1421456336;kakobrekla;also if we downrate someone to l2=0 you should be able to !down immediately now, although i havent tested it.
979865;1421456361;mircea_popescu;kakobrekla as in, if the rating was given via here, or imported from gribble's db
979866;1421456374;kakobrekla;ah that
979867;1421456401;kakobrekla;i guess i can add tat.
979868;1421456405;kakobrekla;that
979869;1421456415;mircea_popescu;would be useful. then we have gribble-assbot talk to each other via diffs
979870;1421456419;mircea_popescu;and both can display both.
979871;1421456464;kakobrekla;ah and another detail, if you noticed there is no place to specify your 'wot' nick
979872;1421456472;kakobrekla;which means you irc nick is your wot nick
979873;1421456479;kakobrekla;or shit wont fly.
979874;1421456480;mircea_popescu;right.
979875;1421456483;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 40400 @ 0.00042168 = 17.0359 BTC [+] {3} 
979876;1421456503;mircea_popescu;!rated kakobrekla
979877;1421456503;assbot;You rated user kakobrekla on 03-Mar-2013, with a rating of 5, and supplied these additional notes: too much stuff to list. inquire within..
979878;1421456518;mircea_popescu;ah i'm so happy :D
979879;1421456546;kakobrekla;yeah your political strike was totally worth it.
979880;1421456557;mircea_popescu;defo.
979881;1421456577;PeterL;so the link is different every time?
979882;1421456602;kakobrekla;yes
979883;1421456626;kakobrekla;you can request 10 commands, take them all at once to airgap
979884;1421456632;kakobrekla;do the jizlle and bring them back
979885;1421456644;kakobrekla;well 10 = n
979886;1421456648;mircea_popescu;yeah the old way had the advantage of automation, but this has the more significant advantage of airgap
979887;1421456648;kakobrekla;just an example.
979888;1421456651;mircea_popescu;heh, too slow eh
979889;1421456669;kakobrekla;is it so hard to read off the link?
979890;1421456674;mircea_popescu;nop.
979891;1421456717;kakobrekla;i could do /otps/$nick and list active ones
979892;1421456722;kakobrekla;if it helps.
979893;1421456729;danielpbarron;maybe make the voice one always use the same url?
979894;1421456740;mircea_popescu;can't hurt. leave all these for a 2nd version down the road.
979895;1421456745;mircea_popescu;do as a batch
979896;1421456765;PeterL;having the same for voice would make it so our scripts from gribble would be easily convirtable
979897;1421456777;danielpbarron;does upping and downing others require auth?
979898;1421456793;kakobrekla;voice is sessioned
979899;1421456795;mircea_popescu;!down danielpbarron
979900;1421456809;mircea_popescu;works fine
979901;1421456819;kakobrekla;!up Adlai
979902;1421456822;kakobrekla;!down Adlai
979903;1421456841;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo / cazalla pls to write-up this truly momentuous development.
979904;1421456977;cazalla;i have birthday guests in the next 30m so if BingoBoingo can otherwise i'll catch up on logs this evening and write up whatever it is that needs doing
979905;1421456991;mircea_popescu;o hey, happy bday.
979906;1421456995;danielpbarron;i especially like how changekey now requires auth
979907;1421457004;cazalla;mircea_popescu, not mine, my son's first birthday :)
979908;1421457006;mircea_popescu;gribble does too neh ?
979909;1421457010;mircea_popescu;cazalla even more yours then!
979910;1421457014;danielpbarron;nope
979911;1421457022;mircea_popescu;...
979912;1421457025;cazalla;not really, these 20 odd people are going to mess up my clean home :\
979913;1421457053;danielpbarron;if i'm session authed with gribble and someone hacks my irc, they can change my key
979914;1421457059;cazalla;anyway.. shower time and then to play host and patriarch, bbl
979915;1421457099;danielpbarron;i figured that was why you always logged out when not chatting
979916;1421457111;asciilifeform;the changekey thing leaves something to be desired.
979917;1421457123;asciilifeform;if i want to change keys, i should have to specifically sign a message to that effect.
979918;1421457142;asciilifeform;or is that how it already works, nm.
979919;1421457155;danielpbarron;that's how it now works
979920;1421457181;asciilifeform;aha.
979921;1421457215;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29700 @ 0.00043393 = 12.8877 BTC [+] {2} 
979922;1421457722;PeterL;does assbot log ratings changes anywhere?
979923;1421457825;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 70150 @ 0.00041356 = 29.0112 BTC [-] {6} 
979924;1421457904;kakobrekla;whats next, a nuclear sub delivered 2 days before your order while paying you 500$?
979925;1421457938;kakobrekla;but could be done.
979926;1421457946;kakobrekla;!rate assbot 10 test
979927;1421457946;assbot;Request successful, get your OTP: http://w.b-a.link/otp/f4c7a7785fd43f96
979928;1421458075;mircea_popescu;lol nucular soob!
979929;1421458081;mircea_popescu;!rated assbot
979930;1421458081;assbot;You rated user assbot on 12-Apr-2014, with a rating of 1, and supplied these additional notes: Nice ass & face bot..
979931;1421458101;mircea_popescu;!rate assbot 10 Nuclear sub delivered 2 days before order while paying me $500
979932;1421458101;assbot;Request successful, get your OTP: http://w.b-a.link/otp/08d27186c6ed6b39
979933;1421458126;mircea_popescu;kakobrekla totallyput a \n after otps
979934;1421458135;mircea_popescu;!v assbot:mircea_popescu.rate.assbot.10:e33f37ce0c6349c2ff073951a8cd8907102c1ccbe4996cad4061ed1e6fc1d310
979935;1421458135;assbot;Successfully updated the rating for assbot from 1 to 10 with note: Nuclear sub delivered 2 days before order while paying me $500
979936;1421458229;kakobrekla;!rate assbot 10 test
979937;1421458229;assbot;Request successful, get your OTP: http://w.b-a.link/otp/46ae34a617b1519d
979938;1421458230;kakobrekla;!rate assbot 10 test
979939;1421458230;assbot;Request successful, get your OTP: http://w.b-a.link/otp/ec89a1090cd1b971
979940;1421458250;mircea_popescu;http://33.media.tumblr.com/aa4d42e55dc9d8cd59ee2249f05f5de0/tumblr_n5a2vslCDP1sa3bwyo1_500.gif
979941;1421458252;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/14LoDXt )
979942;1421458313;kakobrekla;http://w.b-a.link/otps/kakobrekla/
979943;1421458314;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/14LoQK4 )
979944;1421458319;kakobrekla;here bitches. static link.
979945;1421458351;mircea_popescu;most recent ?
979946;1421458363;kakobrekla;o wait i have to encrypt those.
979947;1421458363;mircea_popescu;ah json. werx.
979948;1421458383;kakobrekla;ah links ?
979949;1421458384;kakobrekla;ok
979950;1421458389;kakobrekla;ill put links
979951;1421458410;mircea_popescu;yeh links prolly easier, oner per line
979952;1421458479;mircea_popescu;people can go curl http://w.b-a.link/otps/kakobrekla/ | curl | gpg
979953;1421458480;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/14LpEPa )
979954;1421458487;mircea_popescu;perhaps with some awk thrown in
979955;1421458545;kakobrekla;http://w.b-a.link/otps/kakobrekla/
979956;1421458546;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/14LpXcT )
979957;1421458548;kakobrekla;thar fixd
979958;1421458558;BingoBoingo;<mircea_popescu> BingoBoingo / cazalla pls to write-up this truly momentuous development. << lemme catch up on what the news is and I'll hammer something out.
979959;1421458729;asciilifeform;http://www.metzdowd.com/pipermail/cryptography/2013-November/018670.html << somehow missed this
979960;1421458730;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/14LqRWD )
979961;1421458752;asciilifeform;(for crypto aficionados ^)
979962;1421458948;asciilifeform;vaguely credible evidence that usg puts to use ecc internally, but no suggestion of with what curves.
979963;1421458961;asciilifeform;alternatively, elaborate desinfo.
979964;1421459264;kakobrekla;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-01-2015#979842
979965;1421459264;assbot;Logged on 17-01-2015 00:48:07; mircea_popescu: [source] =>
979966;1421459269;kakobrekla;done ^^
979967;1421459334;kakobrekla;i dared to manually alter source of your rating here http://w.b-a.link/user/assbot
979968;1421459335;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/14LtUya )
979969;1421459349;kakobrekla;others will be assbot sourced automatically from now on.
979970;1421459556;kakobrekla;btw this line kept going through my head while coding
979971;1421459557;kakobrekla;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=07-01-2015#967758
979972;1421459557;assbot;Logged on 07-01-2015 04:03:56; asciilifeform: trust is simply an obsolete, pre-scientific word.
979973;1421459567;kakobrekla;but then i forgot to ask wtf am i to do.
979974;1421459596;kakobrekla;still open to changes if needs be.
979975;1421459975;BingoBoingo;Who all collborated on asswot? Did you do it all kakobrekla?
979976;1421460030;kakobrekla;myea
979977;1421460043;BingoBoingo;K
979978;1421460460;mircea_popescu;splendor
979979;1421460500;mircea_popescu;so ima send a btc to assbot's 1B6NP9eb4RKy9tRrXYCJnNcenZkrt5Q2gb
979980;1421460510;mircea_popescu;further contributions encouraged!
979981;1421460521;thestringpuller;is it open source?
979982;1421460577;mircea_popescu;trust is good. what, fucking is also an obsolete, pre-scientific word. slides right down nevertheless.
979983;1421460617;scoopbot;New post on Qntra.net by Bingo Boingo: http://qntra.net/2015/01/assbot-gains-web-of-trust-functionality/
979984;1421460654;BingoBoingo;^ And on that note I'm headed out for a bit.
979985;1421460808;kakobrekla;ty
979986;1421460848;kakobrekla;updated the welcome message (took out gribble part) and removed ddos warning , i think its gone again?
979987;1421460872;artifexd;Snowden worked at the NSA until June 2013.  GPG 1.4.13 was committed on 2012-12-20.  GPG 1.4.14 was committed on 2013-07-25.d
979988;1421460887;artifexd;mircea_popescu: 1.4.13 is acceptable and 1.4.14 is not, correct?
979989;1421460925;kakobrekla;hows that ?
979990;1421460939;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 37657 @ 0.00043023 = 16.2012 BTC [+]
979991;1421460951;kakobrekla;snowden broke gpg somehow ?
979992;1421461013;artifexd;I believe the point is that Snowden didn't say gpg was compromised. However it could have been compromised since he left.  Only mircea_popescu knows mircea_popescu's motivation for that spec though.
979993;1421461041;asciilifeform;there is always the option of actually studying the changelog.
979994;1421461053;asciilifeform;not a bad idea in any case
979995;1421461055;artifexd;That is what I'm looking at right now.
979996;1421461063;artifexd;http://git.gnupg.org/cgi-bin/gitweb.cgi?p=gnupg.git;a=shortlog;h=refs/heads/STABLE-BRANCH-1-4
979997;1421461064;assbot;git.gnupg.org Git - gnupg.git/shortlog ... ( http://bit.ly/14LB1Xd )
979998;1421461115;kakobrekla;its not like changelog will say "hax was inserted here"
979999;1421461130;asciilifeform;kakobrekla: lol
980000;1421461671;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 41550 @ 0.00042089 = 17.488 BTC [-] {2} 
980001;1421461683;mircea_popescu;artifexd it's not a strict thing, more like a general consideration. i doubt they managed to react fast enough to do much to 4.14
980002;1421461730;mircea_popescu;anyway, the point is that gpg was widely used for the snowden leaks. this indicates that a major player trusted it, and was right in so doing ; and suggests a major target for that reason alone.
980003;1421461775;kakobrekla;meh snowden leaks could just as well be disinfo
980004;1421461779;mircea_popescu;i know for a fact the usg did not know what was in the leaks until their press agents told em
980005;1421461794;mircea_popescu;anything could be anything. but my arbitrary sez no.
980006;1421461809;*;kakobrekla does the sexygingers dance
980007;1421462014;asciilifeform;re: disinfo: http://imgur.com/dXtnSoJ
980008;1421462015;assbot;                        disinfo - Imgur ... ( http://bit.ly/14LFDN3 )
980009;1421462021;asciilifeform;seems like pretty obvious case thereof.
980010;1421462237;undata;asciilifeform: apparently this google device on my desk is impenetrable. who knew
980011;1421462273;undata;I'll stop worrying when it automatically opts me back into location history tracking
980012;1421462393;asciilifeform;if that slide deck is genuine, i've a bridge to sell.
980013;1421462960;mircea_popescu;zrtp bs.
980014;1421463004;asciilifeform;incidentally, z is for zimmerman.
980015;1421463014;asciilifeform;who, by all indications, was swallowed some time ago.
980016;1421463039;mircea_popescu;myea
980017;1421463142;asciilifeform;in my diseased mind, the parsimonious hypothesis is that there is actually an nsa where that deck was genuinely crapped out by earnest monkeys who believe every word.
980018;1421463161;asciilifeform;(and that there is another one, where it wasn't. but i think we did this one before)
980019;1421463189;*;asciilifeform would like to see the -other- slide deck.
980020;1421463209;asciilifeform;or perhaps -those- folks don't go in for 'powerpoint.'
980021;1421463271;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: do you find it interesting that, despite the legend of snowden having used gpg, we have no signatures from him pertaining to any of the material ?
980022;1421463291;asciilifeform;he could easily, if he wished, demonstrate what the genuine material was, and what has been doctored or made up wholesale.
980023;1421463322;asciilifeform;this is assuming that we have a reasonably certain copy of his pubkey pre-dating the events. which, iirc, we do.
980024;1421463569;thestringpuller;decentralized bitbet?
980025;1421463571;thestringpuller;http://augur.link/augur.pdf
980026;1421463729;danielpbarron;such a thing is not possible; there needs to be an arbiter to decide if a bet has resolved yes or no
980027;1421463802;thestringpuller;but that's what oracles are for
980028;1421463805;asciilifeform;'A key feature of Augur is tradeable Reputation. The total amount of Reputation is a fixed quantity, determined upon the launch of Augur. Holding Reputation entitles its owner to report on the outcomes of events, after the events occur. Reputation tokens are similar in other respects to Bitcoins: they are divisible to eight decimal places, they are accounted for by summing over unspent transaction outputs, and they can be sent
980029;1421463805;asciilifeform; between users.'
980030;1421463806;asciilifeform;^ lol!
980031;1421463811;asciilifeform;srsly ?
980032;1421463847;thestringpuller;danielpbarron is in party. regenerate 5 hp per turn. :D
980033;1421463852;thestringpuller;caise ypi
980034;1421463858;thestringpuller;cause you're a crypto priest*
980035;1421463875;danielpbarron;decentralized bitbet like counterparty is decentralized mpex; just replaces the infrastructure (with something worse)
980036;1421463940;asciilifeform;i'm not averse to seeing actual solutions to 'decentralized xxxxx,' but they inevitably fall short re: 'democracy-proofing'
980037;1421463956;asciilifeform;who wants democracy pus in his meal ?
980038;1421463957;thestringpuller;!s democracy-proofing
980039;1421463958;assbot;0 results for 'democracy-proofing' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=democracy-proofing
980040;1421463974;thestringpuller;care to elaborate sir asciilifeform ?
980041;1421463983;thestringpuller;or is it Dr. asciilifeform
980042;1421463985;asciilifeform;aka sybil, dos, etc. attacks
980043;1421463988;asciilifeform;!s sybil
980044;1421463989;assbot;34 results for 'sybil' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=sybil
980045;1421463995;asciilifeform;there we go.
980046;1421464012;thestringpuller;how does that prevent democracy? (a sybil attack)?
980047;1421464020;asciilifeform;the basic idea is that meat puppets are not in any fundamental way different from other types of puppet.
980048;1421464027;asciilifeform;and must be dealt with through same mechanisms.
980049;1421464081;asciilifeform;the 'tradeable reputation' thing sounds disastrous.
980050;1421464086;asciilifeform;perhaps i'm just thick.
980051;1421464095;thestringpuller;ah. i understand your viewpoint tho.
980052;1421464104;thestringpuller;it all depends on volume of puppet imo.
980053;1421464134;thestringpuller;or maybe everyone is a puppet of some sort. that's a little beyond me tho
980054;1421464146;asciilifeform;in point of fact, even our system of reputation (wot) is theoretically 'tradeable', in that somebody could - in principle - sell his privkey to satan
980055;1421464161;danielpbarron;of course it's disastrous; it's like giving the -otc folk power based on their total rating score (which they build up through trivial deals)
980056;1421464166;asciilifeform;but baking tradeability in as a matter of course - is another thing
980057;1421464173;asciilifeform;lunacy, imho
980058;1421464189;thestringpuller;isn't this classic dilemma of selling soul for some benefit/value
980059;1421464195;thestringpuller;you only have one to trade.
980060;1421464205;asciilifeform;which they build up through trivial deals << aha. this is actually an age-old plague on 'ebay' and the like.
980061;1421464207;thestringpuller;tis also irreverisble in nature.
980062;1421464224;asciilifeform;sc4mz0r cultivates rating with 100,000 'a+++++ gr34t d34lz'
980063;1421464234;asciilifeform;of fivebux each
980064;1421464247;asciilifeform;then proceeds to sell, e.g., nonexisting cars.
980065;1421464248;danielpbarron;the joke in otc is "Smooth TM"
980066;1421464263;thestringpuller;this is how athero was able to launch ziggap
980067;1421464290;thestringpuller;he sold shares in non existant broker bitcoin selling thing compan
980068;1421464291;thestringpuller;y
980069;1421464316;thestringpuller;;;gettrust aethero
980070;1421464316;gribble;WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user thestringpuller to user aethero: Level 1: -1, Level 2: 0 via 3 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=thestringpuller&dest=aethero | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=aethero | Rated since: Wed May  2 19:24:52 2012
980071;1421464339;danielpbarron;what with all the hard fork drama, i'd say anything that can be kept centralized should probably remain centralized
980072;1421464377;thestringpuller;danielpbarron: i think the hardfork drama is fundamentally seeing split, or cold war in bitcoin
980073;1421464381;thestringpuller;east vs. west.
980074;1421464389;thestringpuller;capitalist vs. socialist
980075;1421464397;thestringpuller;etc.
980076;1421464402;asciilifeform;i have said before that an official usg altcoin is inevitable.
980077;1421464409;asciilifeform;gavincoin's probably it.
980078;1421464425;thestringpuller;yet we'll still pay taxes in bezzles?
980079;1421464448;asciilifeform;thestringpuller: gavincoin is not made to replace usd, but to bleed bitcoin
980080;1421464474;thestringpuller;ofc, but USG coin that is used to also do what? annoy us out of our money like some comcast nonsenese?
980081;1421464497;asciilifeform;you will have to ask the fellow who thought it up
980082;1421464503;asciilifeform;once he sits down on mircea_popescu's stake.
980083;1421464515;asciilifeform;perhaps he'll do a q&a
980084;1421464547;danielpbarron;"I am slowely being impaled on a sharped stake. Ask me anything."
980085;1421464557;asciilifeform;!b 5
980086;1421464558;assbot;Last 5 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/0VE53AD.txt )
980087;1421464620;thestringpuller;asciilifeform: I do not see how anyone will contribute to usgavincoin when Buterin's waterfall explodes right after inception.
980088;1421464642;thestringpuller;Spend X money to build hoover dam and it explodes less than a year while runnign?
980089;1421464670;asciilifeform;seems clear that they'll pour the water on the other side.
980090;1421464676;asciilifeform;not on their own. (of the fork)
980091;1421464701;thestringpuller;But isn't this like someone trying to power a water wheel by simply running up stream with buckets of water they collect downstream?
980092;1421464709;asciilifeform;collected.
980093;1421464716;asciilifeform;or rather, robbed.
980094;1421464722;danielpbarron;there are plenty of people who are so focused on "mass adoption" as a priority that they will compromise any and all aspects of bitcoin to further that goal; what would get more mass adoption than endorsement from USG?
980095;1421464738;thestringpuller;It's still non-trivial effort tho, to run long term
980096;1421464750;thestringpuller;and wasteful. like fast explosion vs slow ember
980097;1421464758;thestringpuller;at least in my mind
980098;1421464761;asciilifeform;i'm not seeing any serious evidence of 'long-term' thinking on usg's part.
980099;1421464771;thestringpuller;i can only imagine poor peon running up stream trying to keep water wheel moving
980100;1421464840;asciilifeform;i can easily picture an 'atomic war' where every btc which usg has at some point begged, borrowed, stole, or can prevail upon a vassal to give up control of - will be placed on market in a 'last hurrah'
980101;1421464866;thestringpuller;danielpbarron: re: mass adoption << I always felt people wanted mass adoption so price raises.
980102;1421464879;thestringpuller;Which is perverted thinking at best.
980103;1421464937;thestringpuller;starving marvin in kenya buys a bitcoin with his 50000 kenyan shillings he saved up over the course of 5 years...
980104;1421464995;danielpbarron;i don't think they are so rational; i suspect it has more to do with "going viral" like a clever youtube video, and having been in on it before it was trendy
980105;1421465015;danielpbarron;although 2014 might have put an end to that
980106;1421465151;thestringpuller;i never understood when going viral became the equivalent of becoming valuable...
980107;1421465171;asciilifeform;from the standpoint of vermin - yes, valuable
980108;1421465185;asciilifeform;all vermin envy the virus.
980109;1421465188;thestringpuller;black plague for all?
980110;1421465211;thestringpuller;but in all srsns, i thought the "popularity contest" died out by the end of high school
980111;1421465230;thestringpuller;now it seems the popularity contest is "the thing"
980112;1421465328;thestringpuller;22:13 <+asciilifeform> i have said before that an official usg altcoin is
980113;1421465350;thestringpuller;^- my bad. copy paste is bad with this one
980114;1421465916;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform: (and that there is another one, where it wasn't. but i think we did this one before) << like 5 or 7 times.
980115;1421466039;mircea_popescu;danielpbarron: such a thing is not possible; there needs to be an arbiter to decide if a bet has resolved yes or no << easier to "invent" stuff than understand stuff. just like it's easier to write new code than understand coding.
980116;1421466139;mircea_popescu;"whenever misreporting an event is worth more to your stake than it costs to buy back the lost reputation, you misreport the event. decentralized selective scamming ftw!"
980117;1421466215;mircea_popescu;"others will not readily understand how our implementation of 3 card monte is an implementation of 3 card monte, giving us an exploitable knowledge asymmetry - which makes this exactly an altcoin, which is why it's sensible to pretend we're like bitcoin"
980118;1421466216;mircea_popescu;etc
980119;1421466342;mircea_popescu;thestringpuller: this is how athero was able to launch ziggap << not a very good example. he had amassed trust over time, and likely at a higher cost than what he made out of it. the controlling factor there was "insane guy stopped taking his pills one day."
980120;1421466345;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6100 @ 0.00041938 = 2.5582 BTC [-]
980121;1421466380;thestringpuller;mircea_popescu: i couldn't find good example on top of head. but was jist of it received?
980122;1421466416;mircea_popescu;sure
980123;1421466443;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform: gavincoin's probably it. << no. in typical fashion they're trying to play it "anonymously". ie, not official.
980124;1421466464;mircea_popescu;it really gets them the worst of both worlds, but hey, it's what committees get. no actual men there to take charge.
980125;1421466521;mircea_popescu;danielpbarron: there are plenty of people who are so focused on "mass adoption" as a priority that they will compromise any and all aspects of bitcoin to further that goal; what would get more mass adoption than endorsement from USG? << it could become a new brand of tide.
980126;1421466535;mircea_popescu;"bitcoin is now a detergent. finally a commodity !!!"
980127;1421466659;asciilifeform;they're trying to play it "anonymously". ie, not official << with pretense every bit as thin as with 'tor'.
980128;1421466699;mircea_popescu;hence worst of both worlds.
980129;1421467110;xiando;I would prefer if they don't endorse that or anything and leave it alone.
980130;1421467178;mircea_popescu;nothing gets left alone.
980131;1421467443;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 47850 @ 0.00041938 = 20.0673 BTC [-]
980132;1421467447;xiando;I know, but I don't have to like it. :)
980133;1421467484;mircea_popescu;:p
980134;1421467492;mircea_popescu;hence the "leave britny alone" meme.
980135;1421467586;mircea_popescu;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kHmvkRoEowc
980136;1421467588;assbot;LEAVE BRITNEY ALONE! - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1C9dpcq )
980137;1421468236;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 58803 @ 0.00042896 = 25.2241 BTC [+] {2} 
980138;1421468395;mircea_popescu;so there's a small statue in buenos aires with a san martin quote i absolutely love.
980139;1421468407;mircea_popescu;"De lo que mis granaderos son capaces, solo lo s� yo. Quien los iguale habr�. Quien los exceda - no."
980140;1421468435;mircea_popescu;"what my grenadiers are capable of, only I know. their equals might be found. their superiors - no."
980141;1421468958;mircea_popescu;http://www.accessatlanta.com/news/entertainment/celebrity-news/extreme-makeover-home-in-atlanta-in-foreclosure/nQx5J/ << who here lived in atlanta ? is this clinton-era-esque lulz legit ?
980142;1421468960;assbot;    'Extreme Makeover' home in Atlanta in foreclosure | www.accessatlanta.com ... ( http://bit.ly/1Cyqfz6 )
980143;1421469136;mircea_popescu;!up metsuno
980144;1421469147;mircea_popescu;ahh assbot, so nice to be back.
980145;1421469456;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26924 @ 0.00045486 = 12.2467 BTC [+] {2} 
980146;1421469529;hanbot;hooray for uberassbot
980147;1421469565;mircea_popescu;:)
980148;1421469571;mircea_popescu;anyone wanna do a 30 bux cc payment for me ?
980149;1421469579;mircea_popescu;danielpbarron ?
980150;1421469606;danielpbarron;cc not paypal?
980151;1421469661;danielpbarron;ya i guess
980152;1421470188;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 45650 @ 0.00046921 = 21.4194 BTC [+] {3} 
980153;1421470318;mircea_popescu;hory shit i had to pay half a tent of a bitcent in tx fees. HODL EVERYTHANG!!! MUST INCREASE BLOXSIZE PLOX!
980154;1421470632;mircea_popescu;!up decimation
980155;1421470658;mircea_popescu;!up dub
980156;1421470674;decimation;I find the 'go' rant amusing.  Would asciilifeform similarly object to python?  I believe it can run on mips
980157;1421470685;mircea_popescu;you hate go too ?
980158;1421470745;decimation;I wouldn't call it 'hate' as much as 'utterly uninterested'
980159;1421470798;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23100 @ 0.00044949 = 10.3832 BTC [-]
980160;1421470810;decimation;I just can't imagine a future in which I will need to learn 'go' for work or pleasure
980161;1421470812;mircea_popescu;kinda my position too
980162;1421471225;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 50422 @ 0.00047596 = 23.9989 BTC [+]
980163;1421471263;decimation;is this the paper in question? cryptome.org/2013/09/klepto-crypto.pdf
980164;1421471678;decimation;ah I see that link only has a few pages of the book
980165;1421471752;mircea_popescu;"Brothel for Slaking Intellectual Lusts" anyone here actually played planescape : torment ?
980166;1421472135;mircea_popescu;!up NomosOne
980167;1421472310;decimation;apparently usg has decided to greatly limit (not completely stop) civil forfeiture at the federal level
980168;1421472327;decimation;outgoing attorney general Holder wants to 'make a legacy'
980169;1421472329;mircea_popescu;no ?!
980170;1421472337;decimation;http://www.washingtonpost.com/investigations/holder-ends-seized-asset-sharing-process-that-split-billions-with-local-state-police/2015/01/16/0e7ca058-99d4-11e4-bcfb-059ec7a93ddc_story.html
980171;1421472337;assbot;Holder limits seized-asset sharing process that split billions with local, state police - The Washington Post ... ( http://bit.ly/1ynDEMM )
980172;1421472360;mircea_popescu;seems more like a landgrab than anything ?
980173;1421472374;decimation;how so?
980174;1421472423;decimation;well, it certainly curtails one form of civil forfeiture at the federal level, leaving a vacuum that can be filled at the state level, if the states so desire
980175;1421472558;mircea_popescu;ah you're right. originally i read it as "we'll just keep more of it".
980176;1421472574;mircea_popescu;btw decimation assbot now allows wotization, pm it !up
980177;1421472687;asciilifeform;the 'vacuum' will be filled by theft and robbery from the same place as before.
980178;1421472690;asciilifeform;because how else.
980179;1421472705;mircea_popescu;in other news, http://40.media.tumblr.com/e9757a9deb4f50a25d868f26f4c3ab1d/tumblr_mvec3nySMa1s6dk4zo1_500.jpg was a great car.
980180;1421472706;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1ynEw3W )
980181;1421472979;ben_vulpes;did i crash assbot?
980182;1421473059;mircea_popescu;dun think so
980183;1421473076;ben_vulpes;nope. perhaps the otp machine?
980184;1421473118;ben_vulpes;what are the semantics for working with asswot?
980185;1421473161;asciilifeform;http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/wonkblog/wp/2015/01/14/this-powerful-reddit-thread-reveals-how-the-poor-get-by-in-america << we've arrived at the end of the line. u.s. newspapers print articles concerning reddit threads.
980186;1421473162;assbot;This powerful Reddit thread reveals how the poor get by in America - The Washington Post ... ( http://bit.ly/1ynFBc4 )
980187;1421473208;ben_vulpes;;;later tell manamex you're joining channels and then applying your cloak. FYI.
980188;1421473208;gribble;The operation succeeded.
980189;1421473238;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19600 @ 0.00047268 = 9.2645 BTC [-]
980190;1421473360;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 47100 @ 0.00047621 = 22.4295 BTC [+] {2} 
980191;1421473407;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes like in chan ? pm it !up it responds with otp, pm it !v otp
980192;1421473466;kakobrekla;!rate ben_vulpes test
980193;1421473466;assbot;Rating should be any non zero value between 10 and -10.
980194;1421473471;kakobrekla;!rate ben_vulpes 1 test
980195;1421473471;assbot;Request successful, get your OTP: http://w.b-a.link/otp/7e95d1cb8e7c1075
980196;1421473487;kakobrekla;what do you mean it doesnt work ben_vulpes ?
980197;1421473498;ben_vulpes;that link refuses to resolve for me
980198;1421473501;mircea_popescu;yeah, scam error report.
980199;1421473543;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 71107 @ 0.00047967 = 34.1079 BTC [+] {3} 
980200;1421473583;kakobrekla;;;isup http://w.b-a.link/otp/5d95a96032e89e9e
980201;1421473584;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1ynGCB0 )
980202;1421473584;gribble;http://w.b-a.link/otp/5d95a96032e89e9e is up
980203;1421473700;ben_vulpes;https://www.refheap.com/96220
980204;1421473702;assbot;anonymous's paste: 96220 ... ( http://bit.ly/1ynGPEa )
980205;1421473774;mircea_popescu;PING 185.34.216.71 (185.34.216.71) 56(84) bytes of data.
980206;1421473775;mircea_popescu;64 bytes from 185.34.216.71: icmp_seq=1 ttl=49 time=252 ms
980207;1421473775;mircea_popescu;64 bytes from 185.34.216.71: icmp_seq=2 ttl=49 time=248 ms
980208;1421473782;mircea_popescu;l'etrange.
980209;1421473816;kakobrekla;yes my shit banned your shit.
980210;1421473843;mircea_popescu;ban shee!
980211;1421473866;ben_vulpes;mk
980212;1421473993;ben_vulpes;lmk if that changes, yeah?
980213;1421474078;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform washington post = newspaper in the sense projects = neighbourhoods.
980214;1421474090;mircea_popescu;the hoods part, okay.
980215;1421474103;asciilifeform;then what newspaper remains in usa ?
980216;1421474112;mircea_popescu;hum.
980217;1421474125;mircea_popescu;i guess kinda blighted.
980218;1421474132;asciilifeform;wash. post is 'the other' nyt.
980219;1421474150;ben_vulpes;"newspaper" in the trad'l sense of "town rag" still exists in various municipalities. "grey lady", not so much.
980220;1421474151;mircea_popescu;more like the other Forward.
980221;1421474155;asciilifeform;these two fishwraps are almost always sold in bins together.
980222;1421474161;kakobrekla;try now ben_vulpes
980223;1421474173;ben_vulpes;ty kakobrekla
980224;1421474190;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu may be thinking of 'washington times
980225;1421474191;asciilifeform;'
980226;1421474206;mircea_popescu;i never heard of that one.
980227;1421474226;ben_vulpes;!rate kakobrekla 3 wot steward
980228;1421474226;assbot;Request successful, get your OTP: http://w.b-a.link/otp/190b6cfc995f06a2
980229;1421474246;asciilifeform;at any rate, the article is intensely lulzy
980230;1421474253;ben_vulpes;!v assbot:ben_vulpes.rate.kakobrekla.3:71dbfce4f8bb960b54b95894d306db892a6f30da3fc5776c31b3ef6f2f45b0c4
980231;1421474253;assbot;Successfully updated the rating for kakobrekla from 3 to 3 with note: wot steward
980232;1421474264;kakobrekla;works, cool
980233;1421474265;ben_vulpes;neat
980234;1421474343;decimation;alright works
980235;1421474360;kakobrekla;yeah im surprised myself
980236;1421474365;mircea_popescu; http://mediadecoder.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/05/08/wikipedia-kills-page-linking-obama-slogan-to-socialist-movement/ < < lawl.
980237;1421474369;assbot;Log In - The New York Times ... ( http://bit.ly/1ynInhH )
980238;1421474386;mircea_popescu;apparently wikipedia deleted a page discussing the "forward" as a generic name for socialist publications after someone mocked obama for it.
980239;1421474397;decimation;asciilifeform: lol so apparently reddit is where bums hang out?
980240;1421474467;mircea_popescu;been saying that for a while!11
980241;1421474514;decimation;the other amusing point that the article fails to bring up: if the 'poor' must pay to live in a dense shitty city, why not move to the country?
980242;1421474532;asciilifeform;decimation: presumably, moving costs something
980243;1421474546;mircea_popescu;the poor flock to the city since the times of rabelais for the same reason : you can eat without working there.
980244;1421474549;mircea_popescu;not so in the country
980245;1421474549;decimation;if living off gov't checks anyway, wouldn't a trailer park somewhere stretch the bezzlars?
980246;1421474566;asciilifeform;decimation: another interesting fact re: usa is that rental properties are scarce to nonexistent when you walk out of the high-density areas
980247;1421474663;mircea_popescu;hmm, no testament in english ?
980248;1421474674;decimation;but the basic bitch here reminds me of something like 'heavier things are heavier'
980249;1421474695;decimation;of course someone with a spare $bil to invest in a sony movie (for example) will make $0.5 bil profit
980250;1421474696;asciilifeform;testament ?
980251;1421474728;decimation;having fifty bux means your investment options are limited to your own stomach
980252;1421474764;asciilifeform;5k - also stomach
980253;1421474773;asciilifeform;and arguably likewise 50k.
980254;1421474774;decimation;yeah pretty much
980255;1421474785;mircea_popescu;you know you can buy stocks online these days on about 1k i think ?
980256;1421474791;asciilifeform;lol stocks
980257;1421474810;decimation;what are you gonna do? buy shares of wal-mart and hope they go up 100x?
980258;1421474826;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31129 @ 0.00047521 = 14.7928 BTC [-]
980259;1421474831;asciilifeform;the cheapo stock houses make a killing by charging xx usd / trade
980260;1421474833;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform testament ? << http://damienbe.chez.com/testamen.htm
980261;1421474834;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1ynJtK5 )
980262;1421474835;ben_vulpes;i'll settle for 8%/year
980263;1421474849;mircea_popescu;decimation why 100x ? you proposed a 1bn - >1.5 bn deal.
980264;1421474849;asciilifeform;aha -that- testament
980265;1421474860;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform students (aka bums) in paris. right ?
980266;1421474863;mircea_popescu;why paris ?
980267;1421474881;decimation;even in that case, it's gonna take awhile before walmart stock goes from $1k to 1.5k
980268;1421474903;mircea_popescu;En l'an de mon trentiesme age, que toutes mes hontes j'euz beues, ne du tout fol, ne du tout saige non obstant maintes peines eues, lesquelles j'ay toutes receues soubz la main Thibault d'Aucigny ...
980269;1421474903;mircea_popescu;S'esvesque il est, signant les rues, qu'il soit le mien je le regny.
980270;1421474920;mircea_popescu;decimation films are some of the most risky investments out there you know.
980271;1421474959;decimation;yeah I'm using it as a somewhat poor example.  my main point is that having $x mil to 'invest' allows one to bend over and pick up stuff that bums have no access to
980272;1421474982;mircea_popescu;i dispute this theory.
980273;1421474999;mircea_popescu;there is no significant advantage to size, and a serious problem to it.
980274;1421475016;mircea_popescu;buffett oft dwells on the matter : it's easy for krill to find a good meal, on account of being small. not so easy for whale.
980275;1421475041;asciilifeform;villon <<  http://flibusta.net/b/374344/download
980276;1421475044;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1ynJTjT )
980277;1421475044;asciilifeform;^ ru translation
980278;1421475074;decimation;I suppose the principle at work here is that once one has $x, one finds no portion of x to be 'spare'
980279;1421475081;mircea_popescu;there's a decent english one by de verre
980280;1421475087;mircea_popescu;not sure if on the nets or not
980281;1421475101;mircea_popescu;decimation in any case spare works better at smaller size.
980282;1421475101;asciilifeform;rhyming translation ?
980283;1421475120;asciilifeform;(the linked one is also beautifully illustrated, as it happens)
980284;1421475131;mircea_popescu;essentially the principle being that you may find excellent "best actresses/cocksuckers", but not really "2nd best actresses/cocksuckers" in proportion.
980285;1421475263;mircea_popescu;<asciilifeform> the cheapo stock houses make a killing by charging xx usd / trade << iirc it's about a dime/a quarter per lot, which lot is usually 1k shares, which can easily be 100k usd.
980286;1421475281;mircea_popescu;yes, much more than say the specialst pays (specialist doesn't pay). this is inconsequential.
980287;1421475292;ben_vulpes;https://www.robinhood.com/ << if you want to be front-run
980288;1421475294;assbot;Robinhood - Zero-Commission Stock Brokerage ... ( http://bit.ly/1ynKv8W )
980289;1421475303;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: the street where i live, just a year or so ago, was covered in ads '$7 / trade111!'
980290;1421475304;decimation;well, it would be a big deal if you day trade all day
980291;1421475322;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: but i'm willing to believe that there are newer, more appealing chumpatrons
980292;1421475323;mircea_popescu;decimation a horrible deal. imagine all the noise you'd be pouring into the market.
980293;1421475338;asciilifeform;and they all front-run.
980294;1421475338;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform there are at least a dozen honest online brokerages.
980295;1421475346;mircea_popescu;to those, no doubt five million internet scams.
980296;1421475358;mircea_popescu;retail is SUPPOSED to be front run for crying out loud.
980297;1421475365;decimation;asciilifeform: sure, but you are generally talking about pennies per share
980298;1421475397;asciilifeform;at any rate, why would someone with no informational-asymmetric advantage want to buy stocks ?
980299;1421475406;mircea_popescu;to invest.
980300;1421475414;decimation;because that's where the trade bots put their earnings
980301;1421475415;mircea_popescu;to acquire a portion of the productively outlayed capital i nthe country.
980302;1421475420;ben_vulpes;<decimation> [] outgoing attorney general Holder wants to 'make a legacy' << just look for the "apparent pedophilia rate" as evidenced by "he had kiddie pr0nz" to go up.
980303;1421475432;asciilifeform;^
980304;1421475441;decimation;yeah that will be interesting
980305;1421475457;decimation;suddenly everyone will be serious drug runner/terrorist/pedo
980306;1421475458;asciilifeform;or a sudden plague of 'illegal gun'
980307;1421475467;asciilifeform;(another exception in the new law)
980308;1421475484;ben_vulpes;everyone's trivially framed.
980309;1421475485;mircea_popescu;i read it thatthey may only confiscate the guns
980310;1421475492;mircea_popescu;but not the cars/cash.
980311;1421475635;decimation;in some states (illinois) you must register all your guns with the state
980312;1421475788;ben_vulpes;https://vine.co/v/OZOnMZ2xpZZ << stability manifolds
980313;1421475789;assbot;Watch Reid Wiseman's Vine "Even a 50kg mass does the same flipping maneuver.  “Wild” to me! #science #SpaceVine" ... ( http://bit.ly/1Civp1R )
980314;1421475888;decimation;amusing poettering interview http://www.linuxvoice.com/interview-lennart-poettering/
980315;1421475889;assbot;Interview: Lennart Poettering | Linux Voice ... ( http://bit.ly/1CivD9e )
980316;1421475970;decimation;it's pretty obvious that the guy is a control freak who gets off on forcing his way
980317;1421475984;decimation;"So we started writing Systemd, and Red Hat didn’t like it at all. Red Hat management said: no, we’re going for Upstart, don’t work on that. So I said, OK, I’ll work on it in my free time. Eventually Red Hat realised that the problems we solved with Systemd were relevant, and were problems that needed to be solved, and that you couldn’t ignore them."
980318;1421476064;undata;decimation: I wasn't aware of that particular detail
980319;1421476081;undata;tragic; upstart is a much simpler alternative
980320;1421476098;decimation;"So anyway, long story short, we came to the conclusion that Upstart is conceptually wrong, and it moved at glacial speeds. It also had the problem that Canonical tried very hard to stay in control of it. They made sure, with copyright assignment, that they made it really hard to contribute, but that’s what Linux actually lives off. You get these drive-by patches, as I would call them, where people see that something is broken, or
980321;1421476100;decimation;something could be improved. They do a Git checkout, do one change, send you it and forget about it."
980322;1421476121;decimation;he tries to make a halfass technical argument against Upstart, and then whines that it's hard to make commits
980323;1421476229;decimation;later on he describes people who like systemd as "progressive" and those who reject it as 'conservative'
980324;1421476261;undata;well that lays bare the abstractions rolling around in that gourd, doesn't it
980325;1421477745;mircea_popescu;"Few pieces of software in history have been so fiercely debated as Systemd. "
980326;1421477752;mircea_popescu;really ? because why, because the author is 5 yo ?
980327;1421477761;mircea_popescu;how about you know, emacs wars ?
980328;1421477869;asciilifeform;'In April was the jackal born, In June the rain-fed rivers swelled: 'Never in all my life,' said he, 'Have I so great a flood beheld.'' (orwell)
980329;1421477878;mircea_popescu;". It�s growing all the time and now handles logging, device hotplugging events, networking, scheduled actions (like Cron) and much more. Almost every major Linux distribution has adopted Systemd, but there are still some unhappy campers out there,"
980330;1421477887;mircea_popescu;uhm. happy campers = the entire foss community ?
980331;1421477904;mircea_popescu;the lulz is so thick, considering the playbook is identically replayed with the gavincoin
980332;1421477950;mircea_popescu;course, the prospect is a lot grim-er for linux, but hey.
980333;1421477972;mircea_popescu;"in the most superficial level, some used -h for help, and others ��help. It�s not uniform." << i can't name a tool that doesn't actually honor both.
980334;1421478000;mircea_popescu;but a fuckwit 20something discussing how "people have not played with unix at all" is, indeed, amusing.
980335;1421478035;mircea_popescu;"LV: And you never see them again!
980336;1421478035;mircea_popescu;LP: Yeah, and this is great � these are the people you want to have, because the vast majority of patches are actually of that kind. "
980337;1421478046;mircea_popescu;"because they have no political power - and that's what you want, a lot of lemmings"
980338;1421478062;mircea_popescu;anyway, im not reding this idiocy.
980339;1421478099;asciilifeform;i read it. it was a total snore.
980340;1421478156;mircea_popescu;anyway. there's nothing wrong with the people who didn't belong in foss in the first place finding their own way out, just like there's nothing wrong with the people who have no business in bitcoin finding their own way out.
980341;1421478195;mircea_popescu;kinda why "adoption" is meaningless. i don't care for anyone to "adopt" anything i do. i might care if they change to fit to it. but otherwise, good fucking luck, there's no value in having a bunch of pacific islanders speak english as if it were the retarded language they spoke before.
980342;1421478200;mircea_popescu;let them stick to what they know and be happy.
980343;1421478285;mircea_popescu;giving inept infantrymen good horses doesn't create an elite cavalry regiment, it just creates a lot of injured horses. giving stupid people smart things doesn't make them smart. it'll just make a lot of broken smart things.
980344;1421478300;asciilifeform;!b 4
980345;1421478300;assbot;Last 4 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/0WFB7MQ.txt )
980346;1421478302;mircea_popescu;both are a horrible waste of beasts.
980347;1421478320;decimation;;;ud pidgin
980348;1421478321;gribble;http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Pidgin | the slang spoken by the locals in hawaii. people there do not speak hawaiian, they speak pidgin. to all my mainlander "friends": stop asking me fuckin stupid ...
980349;1421478416;mircea_popescu;in any case, the entire lennart gambit is that "actually smart people won't be able to find each other in our sea of lemmings"
980350;1421478427;mircea_popescu;kinda why stuff like the wot-foss i was discussing and even gossipd are so important
980351;1421478484;decimation;well, apparently he confirmed that redhat was itself a ship of lemmings, looking for a lemming-king, and lennart was their man
980352;1421478500;mircea_popescu;but also why a certain attitude to ineptitude, from the "affirmative action", "wopmen in tech" "don't say nigger" all the way to stupidities like the equalitarism in freenode's policies is so very important. and why linus' "fuck you" is such a major thing.
980353;1421478515;mircea_popescu;it's not gratuitous, all this. it provides a very valuable signal, both to the inferior and to the superior.
980354;1421478544;mircea_popescu;every time you see someone being stupid, piss on his face. this is important for them, and it's important for me.
980355;1421478593;mircea_popescu;tolerance is not the answer to any question worth asking, and it does not serve any purpose other than the general drowning in shit. which is not a desirable outcome in any case.
980356;1421478659;mircea_popescu;better off if half the "community" gets upset and moves on to collecting bugs or digging trenches or whatever, than if programming becomes a sort of passtime for trench diggers and worm afficionados.
980357;1421478678;mircea_popescu; /endrant
980358;1421478759;mircea_popescu;actually no, let's also add an illustration. http://38.media.tumblr.com/055cd45805272e544f0e27e390f1ee7b/tumblr_muf8b3qyLb1sa3bwyo1_r1_500.gif
980359;1421478760;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1y88BCM )
980360;1421479778;mircea_popescu;in other news, http://www.dcnews.ro/apreciere-franc-elve-ian-razboi-ana-birchall-andreea-paul_464977.html << the swiss franc situation is a disaster for 100s of k's of idiot romanians who refinanced their home mortgages in swiss francs to try and capture a half of a percent less interest.
980361;1421479779;assbot;APRECIERE FRANC ELVEȚIAN: Război cu stenograme Ana Birchall - Andreea Paul | DC News | De ce se intampla ... ( http://bit.ly/1IT3Xu0 )
980362;1421479792;mircea_popescu;that just turned into 20-30% more principal.
980363;1421480255;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16750 @ 0.00047521 = 7.9598 BTC [-]
980364;1421480468;ben_vulpes;ouch.
980365;1421480501;mircea_popescu;populists in parliament having a field day over it.
980366;1421480514;mircea_popescu;arrears set to go up from 15% to 25%ish
980367;1421480535;mircea_popescu;(romania, unlike the us, actually keeps track of unserviced retail debentures)
980368;1421480670;mircea_popescu;anyway, thassall for me. have fun b-a!
980369;1421482959;ben_vulpes;does anyone know when the transaction index was added?
980370;1421483184;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29000 @ 0.00047473 = 13.7672 BTC [-] {2} 
980371;1421483549;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14586 @ 0.00047934 = 6.9917 BTC [+] {2} 
980372;1421483610;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22014 @ 0.00048133 = 10.596 BTC [+]
980373;1421483976;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 3084 @ 0.00066737 = 2.0582 BTC [-] {10} 
980374;1421489649;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 48186 @ 0.00048133 = 23.1934 BTC [+]
980375;1421490442;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19794 @ 0.00048133 = 9.5274 BTC [+]
980376;1421494590;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 67250 @ 0.00048747 = 32.7824 BTC [+] {3} 
980377;1421496115;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 83100 @ 0.00048144 = 40.0077 BTC [-] {2} 
980378;1421497091;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 65200 @ 0.00048075 = 31.3449 BTC [-] {2} 
980379;1421499470;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 55503 @ 0.00049 = 27.1965 BTC [+]
980380;1421501788;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 10 @ 0.125 = 1.25 BTC [-] {2} 
980381;1421501849;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22350 @ 0.00048826 = 10.9126 BTC [-]
980382;1421502521;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12700 @ 0.00049 = 6.223 BTC [+]
980383;1421503152;mats;http://www.capital.gr/News.asp?id=2203494
980384;1421503154;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1B20JCx )
980385;1421503295;mats;greek bank run, excluded from QE
980386;1421503406;mats;http://money.cnn.com/2015/01/16/investing/swiss-currency-fxcm one of several
980387;1421503407;assbot;Swiss shock crushes US currency broker - Jan. 16, 2015  ... ( http://bit.ly/1B21bAW )
980388;1421504289;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 36400 @ 0.00049025 = 17.8451 BTC [+] {2} 
980389;1421504366;kakobrekla;mats http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-01-2015#978599
980390;1421504366;assbot;Logged on 15-01-2015 21:14:09; kakobrekla: ^^ re chf, a few folks committed suicide today cause of it.
980391;1421505570;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31676 @ 0.00049095 = 15.5513 BTC [+]
980392;1421505997;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16198 @ 0.00048816 = 7.9072 BTC [-] {2} 
980393;1421506058;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33465 @ 0.00048797 = 16.3299 BTC [-]
980394;1421506851;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7071 @ 0.00049327 = 3.4879 BTC [+] {2} 
980395;1421506912;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29879 @ 0.00049538 = 14.8015 BTC [+]
980396;1421507095;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 66400 @ 0.00048603 = 32.2724 BTC [-] {2} 
980397;1421509354;decimation;an amusing blog post http://www.lawfareblog.com/2014/12/did-edward-snowden-call-for-abolishing-the-intelligence-community/
980398;1421509356;assbot;Lawfare › Did Edward Snowden Call for Abolishing the Intelligence Community? ... ( http://bit.ly/1DNDqjF )
980399;1421509527;decimation;there's a deep hypocrisy here somewhere.  apparently the usg entities who are involved with foreign surveillance couldn't possibly do their jobs if they were subject to 'regulation', but of course regular people trying to say, transact bitcoin, have no such reprieve
980400;1421509718;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9600 @ 0.0004847 = 4.6531 BTC [-]
980401;1421510507;mircea_popescu;good morning asseteers!
980402;1421510511;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 48550 @ 0.00049745 = 24.1512 BTC [+] {2} 
980403;1421510931;davout;guten tag
980404;1421511009;davout;so, re yesterday's convo about go and c it occurs to me that b-a will eventually have to have a reviewed & signed code repo
980405;1421511060;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14293 @ 0.00048366 = 6.913 BTC [-] {2} 
980406;1421511070;mircea_popescu;this occurs to you through having read the logs re the new github model / how the bitcoin foundation works or independently ?
980407;1421511121;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22019 @ 0.00047979 = 10.5645 BTC [-] {2} 
980408;1421511136;davout;well, you can't really build a good house without good bricks
980409;1421511157;mircea_popescu;right.
980410;1421511179;mircea_popescu;read the log thread in question tho, it's instructive. about how the point is to have code signed for having been read.
980411;1421511212;davout;you don't refer to yesterday's convo do you?
980412;1421511219;davout;!s signed code
980413;1421511220;assbot;24 results for 'signed code' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=signed+code
980414;1421511306;davout;meant yesterday's log as it seems it has come up quite a few times already :D
980415;1421511307;mircea_popescu;no.
980416;1421511328;mircea_popescu;this was a few weeks prior to the foundation's birth.
980417;1421511369;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-09-2014#824250
980418;1421511369;assbot;Logged on 10-09-2014 11:54:21; mircea_popescu: other than proper cryptography for all foss, as discussed coupla days re gentoo overlays etc, i would fucking love for all lines of code to come with a counter.
980419;1421511386;davout;ty
980420;1421511426;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25821 @ 0.00047875 = 12.3618 BTC [-]
980421;1421511580;davout;it appears that if we want to make a proper apple pie from scratch we'll have to invent the universe first
980422;1421511670;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 20000 @ 0.00005363 = 1.0726 BTC [+] {12} 
980423;1421511678;mircea_popescu;which is finbe
980424;1421511683;mircea_popescu;the current universe sucks anyway.
980425;1421511694;davout;it is fine indeed
980426;1421511785;kakobrekla;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-01-2015#979896 < http://w.b-a.link/otps/kakobrekla/last
980427;1421511785;assbot;Logged on 17-01-2015 01:06:05; PeterL: having the same for voice would make it so our scripts from gribble would be easily convirtable
980428;1421511787;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1IUaynW )
980429;1421511796;davout;i have nfi what kind of workload it would represent to make some linux fork that's entirely reviewed, assume it'd be pretty massive
980430;1421511800;mircea_popescu;kakobrekla : can assbot match 32 char strings as keyids instead of names ?
980431;1421511804;mircea_popescu;so stuff like <mircea_popescu> !gettrust mircea_popescu 6160E1CAC8A3C52966FD76998A736F0E2FB7B452
980432;1421511804;mircea_popescu;<assbot> 6160E1CAC8A3C52966FD76998A736F0E2FB7B452 is not registered in WoT.
980433;1421511809;PeterL;new voicing model, we still have to join #b-a before verifying otp
980434;1421511812;mircea_popescu;works so it simplifies deedbot design a lot ?
980435;1421511833;mircea_popescu;davout depends how much crap you're wiling to hoist overboard.
980436;1421511848;kakobrekla;how does it simplify ?
980437;1421511860;davout;yup
980438;1421511863;PeterL;kakobrekla: are you pointing out my horrible spelling? :)
980439;1421511863;mircea_popescu;the workload pain will probably be far exceeded by the cries of horror of the large hordes of nobodies that can no longer "innovate", in the sense their gunk is no longer included in repos
980440;1421511869;kakobrekla;<PeterL> new voicing model, we still have to join #b-a before verifying otp < yes, no session, recall?
980441;1421511871;mircea_popescu;kakobrekla 2.1. Bot extracts the signature keyid through a process homologuous to gpg -v -v
980442;1421511872;mircea_popescu;2.2. Bot makes a request to assbot via pm, of the format ;;gpg info --key <key currently
980443;1421511888;kakobrekla;PeterL you are missing the link ?
980444;1421511890;mircea_popescu;that way, it wouldn't have to do two steps, just directly gettrust to a keyid.
980445;1421511903;PeterL;well, for gribble I have script that runs curl and gpg and pastes the result
980446;1421511912;kakobrekla;again : http://w.b-a.link/otps/kakobrekla/last
980447;1421511913;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1KSh16y )
980448;1421511926;PeterL;for assbot, now I have to use the mouse to highlight the new link, and type the commands
980449;1421511941;mircea_popescu;PeterL process http://w.b-a.link/otps/PeterL/last
980450;1421511942;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1KSh6ak )
980451;1421511948;PeterL;aha, now I see it
980452;1421511955;mircea_popescu;he put that in thar jus fer you :D
980453;1421511962;PeterL;that's cool, thanks
980454;1421511977;PeterL;too early, can't read yet
980455;1421511982;mircea_popescu;<kakobrekla> how does it simplify ? << dja see what i mean ?
980456;1421512017;kakobrekla;;;later tell ben_vulpes as requested, json; http://w.b-a.link/user/ben_vulpes/json and http://w.b-a.link/trust/ben_vulpes/kakobrekla/json
980457;1421512018;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1KShe9Y )
980458;1421512020;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1KShgie )
980459;1421512020;gribble;The operation succeeded.
980460;1421512045;kakobrekla;for which command ?
980461;1421512068;kakobrekla;i dont have gpg info command
980462;1421512078;mircea_popescu;i want !gettrust to match any 32 char string as a key rather than a name
980463;1421512092;mircea_popescu;so that  !gettrust mircea_popescu 6160E1CAC8A3C52966FD76998A736F0E2FB7B452 responds with "trust from mircea_popescu to mircea_popescu : so an so"
980464;1421512093;kakobrekla;yeah
980465;1421512109;mircea_popescu;that way two steps become one step and that's that.
980466;1421512109;kakobrekla;ill do it for gettrust but not others
980467;1421512115;mircea_popescu;all that's needed yes ty.
980468;1421512119;kakobrekla;k
980469;1421512124;PeterL;!rate kakobrekla 3 Runs AssWoT, other cool stuff
980470;1421512124;assbot;Request successful, get your OTP: http://w.b-a.link/otp/6a9d8d2d055d69cf
980471;1421512149;PeterL;!v assbot:PeterL.rate.kakobrekla.3:ad06b594522d33faffcdf84b870db76a3fbd1fcda55e860ddec83a58b3864168
980472;1421512149;assbot;Successfully updated the rating for kakobrekla from 2 to 3 with note: Runs AssWoT, other cool stuff
980473;1421512165;kakobrekla;amazing
980474;1421512165;assbot;AMAZING COMPANY!
980475;1421512187;PeterL;is scoopbot still running? -hi
980476;1421512187;scoopbot;Hello PeterL!
980477;1421512210;PeterL;oh, good
980478;1421512234;mircea_popescu;are you a slut scoopbot ? -slut
980479;1421512245;mircea_popescu; a well, so much for ai.
980480;1421512922;davout;http://i.imgur.com/00C6KHP.jpg
980481;1421512924;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1KSiqKs )
980482;1421512924;decimation;apparently obama also made remarks on backdoor encryption http://www.lawfareblog.com/2015/01/president-obama-comments-on-back-doors-in-encryption/
980483;1421512928;assbot;Lawfare › President Obama Comments on Back-doors in Encryption ... ( http://bit.ly/1KSisSw )
980484;1421512937;decimation;or to be more precise, he failed to make remarks when asked the question
980485;1421512947;mircea_popescu;ow shit i forgot the porny link.
980486;1421512947;mircea_popescu;http://41.media.tumblr.com/41d822d78facf0f09366bc77bda03093/tumblr_mpfi5pcu321rdn1byo1_500.jpg
980487;1421512948;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1KSiry4 )
980488;1421512969;decimation;other than vague "we work with companies who also have families", which is exactly the same argument one gets from the local mobster I presume
980489;1421513006;mircea_popescu;o hai chetty
980490;1421513027;mircea_popescu;decimation have you seen the "toasting the queen" thing ?
980491;1421513033;kakobrekla;mircea_popescu perhaps is even easier if i just allow for w.b-a.link/trust/key1/key2/json ?
980492;1421513035;mircea_popescu;that poor guy, he looks like a neurotic setter.
980493;1421513042;mircea_popescu;kakobrekla sure!
980494;1421513054;mircea_popescu;what's assbot key again ?
980495;1421513064;decimation;eh? I don't think so
980496;1421513078;mircea_popescu;decimation he goes to toast the queen. the athem's going on so queen ignores him.
980497;1421513119;mircea_popescu;lotta hay made out of how "the queen snubbed obama'. but the guy's just not very aware. which looked to me like a very very tired man that's being constantly pestered with advice and requirements by about 9 spinster women.
980498;1421513124;kakobrekla;assbot is 7C1FBEC924FBD66531A02AE3F95E4E395927DC9C
980499;1421513126;mircea_popescu;aka, the typical american child of 2010.
980500;1421513134;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 60869 @ 0.00048599 = 29.5817 BTC [+] {4} 
980501;1421513136;mircea_popescu;kakobrekla works for me, editing this spec.
980502;1421513229;decimation;yeah, actually from his rambling answer in the linked youtube (starting 45:30), there's very little evidence obama is even aware about the 'backdoor encryption' issue at all
980503;1421513246;mircea_popescu;honestly, i don't see it's a president's job, that.
980504;1421513255;mircea_popescu;and it's not how you ask the president that question, either.
980505;1421513272;decimation;well, certainly it ought to be something he answers in writing, in detail
980506;1421513290;decimation;the trouble is there's no method to compel an answer
980507;1421513292;mircea_popescu;this is roughly the equivalent of a company with 10k cab fleet having famously a weak alternator, and some reporter asking the CEO "what about the spinny trick ?"
980508;1421513322;mircea_popescu;that's not what you say. you say, "as you may be aware, because this so and so weakness in this part of the engine that does that and this, some drivers are so and so.". guy needs an intro.
980509;1421513336;mircea_popescu;no, there shouldn't be a way to compel an answer. wtf ?!
980510;1421513403;scoopbot;New post on Trilema by Mircea Popescu: http://trilema.com/2015/open-deed-system-for-bitcoin-assets/
980511;1421513435;mircea_popescu;kakobrekla can there be a /n after each otp before encryption pls.
980512;1421513453;mircea_popescu;currently it bleeds into teh bash. dun wanna put an "echo "/n"" in there .
980513;1421513499;decimation;well, there's an issue of policy here, which is "is a us person allowed to communicate in a manner outside the possibility of usg interception?"
980514;1421513554;mircea_popescu;right. that should be the question. like that.
980515;1421513570;decimation;because the implication of both cameron's and obama's answer is "no"
980516;1421513572;mircea_popescu;because that's why we go to school : so we can present our inquiries in such a way that OTHER PEOPLE can fucking grok wtf we want to know
980517;1421513585;decimation;and that appears to completely contradict constitutional and court precedent
980518;1421513589;decimation;'because terrorism'
980519;1421513616;mircea_popescu;decimation i bet you the guy does not even currently ~KNOW~ that that's what's being discussed.
980520;1421513635;decimation;cameron clearly does, but obama gave no evidence of it
980521;1421513640;mircea_popescu;because fucking aspie autistic idiot kids + total incompetent "women in journalism" ask dronign, meaningless questions
980522;1421513676;decimation;note that there are people who could ask such questions
980523;1421513679;PeterL;http://reason.com/blog/2015/01/15/womens-college-cancels-vagina-monologues
980524;1421513681;assbot;Women's College Cancels 'Vagina Monologues' Because It Excludes Women Without Vaginas - Hit & Run : Reason.com ... ( http://bit.ly/1KSjjTd )
980525;1421513685;decimation;but the press corps is carefully selected to exclude them
980526;1421513693;mircea_popescu;camweon's a total heel. i have nfi whatabout england produces such contemptible sacks of shit. i thought blair was an exception, but apparently he was just a harbringer.
980527;1421513706;mircea_popescu;decimation so noted. why don't they ?
980528;1421513736;mircea_popescu;PeterL obviously, the idiocy's own internal logic is its downfall. kinda the problem with all insanity.
980529;1421513754;decimation;because the civil service would exclude access to that journalist's organization
980530;1421513755;PeterL;right, lol
980531;1421513800;mircea_popescu;decimation i propose excluding that entire thing.
980532;1421513826;mircea_popescu;!up chetty
980533;1421513838;mircea_popescu;chetty try it in here so we see ?
980534;1421513854;chetty;!v assbot:chetty.up:ef543cc75b665e6c256ba24daf682446e46a10a97d497ef0f6258a61671a362
980535;1421513854;assbot;Invalid verfication string.
980536;1421513885;PeterL;somebody is trying to hack into chetty's account?
980537;1421513885;chetty;it doesnt like me
980538;1421513888;mircea_popescu;that string's too short.
980539;1421513918;mircea_popescu;missing 9 chars.
980540;1421513920;chetty;what my key has been hax
980541;1421513923;mircea_popescu;nah.
980542;1421513961;kakobrekla;hm
980543;1421513964;kakobrekla;try that in private ?
980544;1421513970;mircea_popescu;it's the missing /n at en of otp giving all sorts of people hell
980545;1421513977;mircea_popescu;because gotta recover the end of the key from their bash string
980546;1421513985;decimation;cameron said "as technology develops, as the world moves on, we should try to avoid safehavens that can otherwise be created for terrorists to talk to each other"
980547;1421513989;kakobrekla;otp !up should work only on private
980548;1421513998;kakobrekla;chan !up is for non otp use
980549;1421514009;mircea_popescu;kakobrekla im pretty sure i v'd here.
980550;1421514022;kakobrekla;!up Anduck
980551;1421514026;kakobrekla;!down Anduck
980552;1421514030;kakobrekla;!u
980553;1421514031;kakobrekla;!up
980554;1421514037;mircea_popescu;!v dude. !v.
980555;1421514037;assbot;Invalid verfication string.
980556;1421514045;kakobrekla;a yes, v you can you anywhere
980557;1421514046;decimation;perhaps that quote should be gossipd's motto
980558;1421514062;mircea_popescu;decimation could well be lol.
980559;1421514107;mircea_popescu;decimation: there's a deep hypocrisy here somewhere. apparently the usg entities who are involved with foreign surveillance couldn't possibly do their jobs if they were subject to 'regulation', but of course regular people trying to say, transact bitcoin, have no such reprieve << well, usg entities that deal in bitcoin do have such reprieve currently ?
980560;1421514110;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 55000 @ 0.00047492 = 26.1206 BTC [-] {2} 
980561;1421514130;decimation;some elements of usg would claim otherwise
980562;1421514144;mircea_popescu;heck, the us scammer office (previously marshall's office) doesn't have to answer foia if it doesn't feel like it, and can even lie in public statements.
980563;1421514149;mircea_popescu;come to think about it, so can the da.
980564;1421514161;mircea_popescu;seems to me like pretty complete legal immunity.
980565;1421514195;decimation;in theory, usg has no legal immunity (from criminal courts), but in practice it clearly does
980566;1421514214;mircea_popescu;for as long as that lasts lol.
980567;1421514262;decimation;in civil court usg has explicit immunity https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sovereign_immunity_in_the_United_States
980568;1421514264;assbot;Sovereign immunity in the United States - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ... ( http://bit.ly/1wik1yA )
980569;1421514305;mircea_popescu;this is universal.
980570;1421514315;mircea_popescu;bitbet has it as well. so does every other country.
980571;1421514316;kakobrekla;mircea_popescu http://w.b-a.link/trust/7C1FBEC924FBD66531A02AE3F95E4E395927DC9C/27C3CE9A20851312F086268C27AF75321F2489E8
980572;1421514318;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1wik9y5 )
980573;1421514331;mircea_popescu;sweet.
980574;1421514353;kakobrekla;actually http://w.b-a.link/trust/7C1FBEC924FBD66531A02AE3F95E4E395927DC9C/27C3CE9A20851312F086268C27AF75321F2489E8
980575;1421514354;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1wikfpg )
980576;1421514357;kakobrekla;and http://w.b-a.link/trust/7C1FBEC924FBD66531A02AE3F95E4E395927DC9C/27C3CE9A20851312F086268C27AF75321F2489E8/json
980577;1421514358;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1wikfFJ )
980578;1421514377;mircea_popescu;this doesn't look like it should be legal.,
980579;1421514389;mircea_popescu;it's too complicated.
980580;1421514393;kakobrekla;yeah ill prolly end up in jail
980581;1421514451;mircea_popescu;move to hungary. i hear they're going all fascist.
980582;1421514457;PeterL;there was talk earlier about newspapers. I find good local reporting at http://mlive.com and my sister-in-law writes for http://tooeleonline.com/
980583;1421514459;assbot;Michigan Local News, Breaking News, Sports & Weather - MLive.com ... ( http://bit.ly/1wikq44 )
980584;1421514462;assbot;Tooele Transcript Bulletin – News in Tooele, Utah ... ( http://bit.ly/1wikqkq )
980585;1421514486;mircea_popescu;lol i read that as "toe online" was o.O
980586;1421514509;PeterL;lol
980587;1421514576;kakobrekla;mircea_popescu  check new line if fixed?
980588;1421514591;mircea_popescu;!rate kakobrekla 17 hurr
980589;1421514591;assbot;Rating should be any non zero value between 10 and -10.
980590;1421514598;mircea_popescu;!rate kakobrekla 1.7 hurr
980591;1421514598;assbot;Request successful, get your OTP: http://w.b-a.link/otp/9f1f7a77bb5ab2a1
980592;1421514604;kakobrekla;lol.
980593;1421514606;mircea_popescu;lmao fractions rly ?
980594;1421514612;kakobrekla;try it
980595;1421514616;kakobrekla;see what happens
980596;1421514620;decimation;!rate decimation 0.1 marginal
980597;1421514620;assbot;You can not rate yourself.
980598;1421514626;mircea_popescu;fixed tyvm
980599;1421514640;mircea_popescu;!v assbot:mircea_popescu.rate.kakobrekla.1.7:b40b7beddd0f6b2f45874cb24cdb3dcd9c051c5c9727a4b306b1f115729982a0
980600;1421514640;assbot;Successfully updated the rating for kakobrekla from 5 to 1.7 with note: hurr
980601;1421514645;kakobrekla;lol!
980602;1421514645;mircea_popescu;lmao wut
980603;1421514650;kakobrekla;nfi
980604;1421514653;PeterL;!rate decimation 0.1 marginal
980605;1421514653;assbot;Request successful, get your OTP: http://w.b-a.link/otp/9d9547d664ea4ebf
980606;1421514657;mircea_popescu;this is not a bug.
980607;1421514659;mircea_popescu;it's a future.
980608;1421514660;decimation;lol
980609;1421514674;decimation;me thinks there might be some bugs
980610;1421514680;PeterL;!v assbot:PeterL.rate.decimation.0.1:17d02404cae9e530dcd5e82a06dad23963c9560e9b0530d785bd01da78a11710
980611;1421514680;assbot;Successfully added a rating of 0.1 for decimation with note: marginal
980612;1421514682;mircea_popescu;nah srsly. kakobrekla dun bother fixing
980613;1421514695;decimation;lol
980614;1421514711;PeterL;so, if somebody has < 1 L2 rating, they don't get voice? or it just has to be > 0?
980615;1421514721;mircea_popescu;> 0 i hope.
980616;1421514721;kakobrekla;!gettrust kakobrekla
980617;1421514721;assbot;Trust relationship from user kakobrekla to user kakobrekla: ∞ | http://w.b-a.link/user/kakobrekla
980618;1421514739;kakobrekla;hmm
980619;1421514740;mircea_popescu;!gettrust kakobrekla
980620;1421514742;assbot;Trust relationship from user mircea_popescu to user kakobrekla: Level 1: 2, Level 2: 54 via 32 connections. | http://w.b-a.link/trust/mircea_popescu/kakobrekla | http://w.b-a.link/user/kakobrekla
980621;1421514748;kakobrekla;i think it didnt work
980622;1421514752;mircea_popescu;o look it rounds ?
980623;1421514760;PeterL;!gettrust decimation
980624;1421514760;assbot;Trust relationship from user PeterL to user decimation: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 1 via 1 connections. | http://w.b-a.link/trust/PeterL/decimation | http://w.b-a.link/user/decimation
980625;1421514774;PeterL;rounds down?
980626;1421514806;kakobrekla;no, it did not work, comment is unchanged
980627;1421514811;mircea_popescu;!rate kakobrekla 5 too much stuff to list. inquire within..
980628;1421514811;assbot;Request successful, get your OTP: http://w.b-a.link/otp/721476ec38fdf8b8
980629;1421514821;PeterL;!rated decimation
980630;1421514821;assbot;You rated user decimation on 17-Jan-2015, with a rating of 0, and supplied these additional notes: marginal.
980631;1421514829;PeterL;see, rounded down
980632;1421514837;mircea_popescu;!v assbot:mircea_popescu.rate.kakobrekla.5:4854d908f615d0a4735169e307d17352740d17b15f4608f0200d018f6683baad
980633;1421514838;assbot;Successfully updated the rating for kakobrekla from 2 to 5 with note: too much stuff to list. inquire within..
980634;1421514840;mircea_popescu;baad eh ?
980635;1421514856;mircea_popescu;PeterL i guess 1.7 -> 2 0.1 -> 0
980636;1421514875;PeterL;so it lets you input a fraction, but converts to int?
980637;1421514902;kakobrekla;why are you asking me, do you think i know ?
980638;1421514932;*;kakobrekla goes to look the code
980639;1421514933;davout;b-a is so mean, kakobrekla makes something nice, everyone tries to break it
980640;1421514934;PeterL;you made it?
980641;1421514956;mircea_popescu;it was his twin brother.
980642;1421514963;PeterL;the more we disclose now leaves less suprises later
980643;1421514971;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 144 @ 0.00734105 = 1.0571 BTC [-]
980644;1421515013;mircea_popescu;he's just jealous we care.
980645;1421515230;kakobrekla;!rate assbot -1.1
980646;1421515230;assbot;Rating should be any non zero value between 10 and -10.
980647;1421515252;mircea_popescu;nonzero integer
980648;1421515252;kakobrekla;should say int but whatever.
980649;1421515256;kakobrekla;heh
980650;1421515257;mircea_popescu;yeah no big deal
980651;1421515264;PeterL;so no more decimals?
980652;1421515267;kakobrekla;NO
980653;1421515272;kakobrekla;NO DECIMALS FOR YOU
980654;1421515275;kakobrekla;COME BACK NEXT YEAR
980655;1421515284;*;PeterL hangs head in shame
980656;1421515296;fluffypony;http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/2sqh0a/decentralising_mining_making_p2pool_more/
980657;1421515298;assbot;Decentralising mining: Making P2Pool more lucrative by coinbaseless fees? : Bitcoin ... ( http://bit.ly/1KSl3Mn )
980658;1421515309;fluffypony;"The alert key will be raised by Gavin"
980659;1421515317;fluffypony;don't worry guize, Gavin will save err'one
980660;1421515366;mircea_popescu;lol
980661;1421515512;mircea_popescu;http://38.media.tumblr.com/c137c08dddcf441ea324c1f37c8c8246/tumblr_mnryfvVNSu1ssms30o1_500.gif << post gavin salvation.
980662;1421515514;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1KSliam )
980663;1421515666;PeterL;!up chetty
980664;1421515751;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 2000 @ 0.00069999 = 1.4 BTC [-]
980665;1421516067;PeterL;!up Panadol______
980666;1421516103;PeterL;hi Panadol______ , what brings you here today?
980667;1421518722;mircea_popescu;!up bitspill
980668;1421518727;mircea_popescu;!up McNumpty
980669;1421518730;mircea_popescu;!up mats
980670;1421518793;mats;a hello
980671;1421518808;mircea_popescu;hai,
980672;1421518809;mats;!s dnssec
980673;1421518811;assbot;15 results for 'dnssec' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=dnssec
980674;1421518898;mircea_popescu;http://www.collarspace.com/personals/v/2177988/details.htm << if anyone in london wants to host a retiring escort...
980675;1421518899;assbot;Dear All, My name is Coco, I am a 20 year old Chinese girl and I have just arrived fr ... ( http://bit.ly/1yvXNPk )
980676;1421518900;mats;http://sockpuppet.org/blog/2015/01/15/against-dnssec/
980677;1421518901;assbot;Against DNSSEC — Quarrelsome ... ( http://bit.ly/1yvXP9N )
980678;1421518913;mircea_popescu;seems you can't be black tho.
980679;1421518965;mircea_popescu;mats all good points.
980680;1421518985;mircea_popescu;we stand against dns and against govt-sponsored pki schemes. their combination is not likely to resolve that.
980681;1421519036;mircea_popescu;(well minus the "modern crypto uses ecdsa")
980682;1421519106;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21000 @ 0.00048985 = 10.2869 BTC [+]
980683;1421519597;ben_vulpes;good morning terrorists
980684;1421519629;ben_vulpes;http://w.b-a.link/trust/ben_vulpes/kakobrekla/json << lovely, kakobrekla thanks a mil
980685;1421519631;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1yvZFrl )
980686;1421519641;mircea_popescu;hi terror brother ben
980687;1421519680;ben_vulpes;buenos dias
980688;1421519695;ben_vulpes;the apartment complex drain backed up
980689;1421519722;ben_vulpes;i awoke to sewage leaking around the bathtub plug actuator
980690;1421519727;mircea_popescu;this somehow brings to mind iron maiden
980691;1421519751;ben_vulpes;it's a Good Morning in America™
980692;1421519762;mircea_popescu;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3dzSEenqc3w
980693;1421519763;assbot;Iron Maiden - Holy Smoke - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1yw03pT )
980694;1421519804;mircea_popescu;!up gabriel_laddel
980695;1421519810;mircea_popescu;you know you can assbot selfvoice ?
980696;1421519816;gabriel_laddel;yeah
980697;1421519830;mircea_popescu;"I've lived in filth, I've lived in sin, but I still smell cleaner than the shit you're in"
980698;1421519928;gabriel_laddel;Any #-assets members who will admit to being a fan of supreme commander or total annihilation?
980699;1421519948;mircea_popescu;total commander ?
980700;1421519960;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25700 @ 0.00049959 = 12.8395 BTC [+] {2} 
980701;1421519983;ben_vulpes;supreme annihilation's a pretty fun game
980702;1421519992;ben_vulpes;need the right partners tho
980703;1421520002;*;ben_vulpes eyes p. bahaha
980704;1421520012;ben_vulpes;http://trilema.com/2015/open-deed-system-for-bitcoin-assets/ << wish i had time for this one
980705;1421520013;assbot;[OPEN] Deed system for #bitcoin-assets pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.  ... ( http://bit.ly/1yw0HUh )
980706;1421520014;mircea_popescu;actually the supreme commander thing looks pretty slick.
980707;1421520014;gabriel_laddel;mircea_popescu: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k6mZZiI4ShQ
980708;1421520016;assbot;Total Annihilation Intro (brighter) - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1yw0IaT )
980709;1421520019;mircea_popescu;somehow i've never played either.
980710;1421520230;gabriel_laddel;they're in the same vein of games such as diablo I&II, baulders gate, path of exile etc. Not in terms of gameplay, but overall attention to detail and cohesive structure.
980711;1421520281;mircea_popescu;!up Tykling
980712;1421520321;mircea_popescu;they look more like tower defense / dune2 sort of thing to me /
980713;1421520334;mircea_popescu;baldur's gate btw!
980714;1421520455;gabriel_laddel;oh ty.
980715;1421520496;undata;ben_vulpes: we have a buddy with an extensible IRC bot; how's that raw tx backport coming?
980716;1421520514;undata;er archaeology and re-implementation
980717;1421520550;undata;actually, it appears it would only have to be aware that a tx has occurred, not send any
980718;1421520684;ben_vulpes;undata: if you're interested in implementing, talk to MP for the spec
980719;1421520697;ben_vulpes;i don't really know how the transmission of btc is supposed to work for the thing
980720;1421520710;undata;it'd be neat if the thing paid its own bills out of its fees on some btc vps
980721;1421520711;ben_vulpes;probably want to decouple bot from funding actions
980722;1421520720;ben_vulpes;anyways
980723;1421520729;ben_vulpes;tx backport archaeology's an interesting thing
980724;1421520756;ben_vulpes;i'm starting to see some of the rationale behind the wallet paradigm - creating transactions for signing requires being able to retrieve arbitrary transactions from the blockchain
980725;1421520763;danielpbarron;i'd say TA is more like starcraft
980726;1421520797;ben_vulpes;far easier for the people working on it at the time to make some silly assumptions about what txns a user would want to sign, and then keep those txns on hand
980727;1421520834;ben_vulpes;creating a raw transaction requires having the previous transaction in hand in full at runtime, so as to extract the pubkey from the previous transaction
980728;1421520845;ben_vulpes;while this isn't *strictly* necessary, it's how things work now.
980729;1421520882;ben_vulpes;i don't know that a bitcoind would be able to verify a transaction without access to the full inputs
980730;1421520929;danielpbarron;i thought all you need to know is the tx id of the outputs you want to use, the private keys of the coresponding addresses, a destination, and an amount
980731;1421520957;ben_vulpes;to use the modern txn api, yeah
980732;1421520981;ben_vulpes;but!
980733;1421521018;ben_vulpes;to verify that you've created a valid transaction, you have to have the entirety of the previous output on hand to examine the public key
980734;1421521056;ben_vulpes;otherwise you just sign hash of txn, index in txn, and have no way to double check that you produced a valid signature corresponding to the pubkey to which those funds were transmitted originally.
980735;1421521059;ben_vulpes;danielpbarron: make sense?
980736;1421521132;ben_vulpes;(one can sign anything at any time - that's not the problem. the problems crop up in a) knowing the sigs are valid and b) the multi-input, multi-privkey transaction generation use-case: how am i to know which privkeys are to be used to sign which inputs, and furthermore [and somewhat recursively] how do i know those signatures to be valid?)
980737;1421521136;danielpbarron;what are you signing it with?
980738;1421521148;ben_vulpes;a user-supplied privkey.
980739;1421521159;danielpbarron;the one that goes with the pubkey of the output right/
980740;1421521167;ben_vulpes;sure
980741;1421521178;ben_vulpes;how do i get the pubkey for a given output?
980742;1421521231;ben_vulpes;say i have the transaction hash (aka txid) and output index - how do i get the pubkey those coins were sent to?
980743;1421521239;danielpbarron;this is for deedbot right? don't you already know what the last pubkey was?
980744;1421521242;ben_vulpes;no no no
980745;1421521250;ben_vulpes;raw transactions
980746;1421521261;ben_vulpes;*entirely* different project
980747;1421521315;danielpbarron;oh well yeah you need to know the whole blockchain to verify a tx in that case
980748;1421521356;danielpbarron;i tried to make a raw tx once, got rejected by my own node for having too small a fee
980749;1421521363;asciilifeform;sorta the point of having blockchain, no ?
980750;1421521387;ben_vulpes;"whole blockchain" << and more specifically, a trivial lookup of txids
980751;1421521445;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: iirc, i did mention 'can pull up arbitrary tx' as part of what a 'whole bitcoin node' has to do
980752;1421521464;asciilifeform;perhaps i should have given more proof
980753;1421521466;*;asciilifeform lazy
980754;1421521507;*;ben_vulpes pissing on fences
980755;1421521520;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes not dead, therefore grew stronger
980756;1421521542;ben_vulpes;learned some
980757;1421521566;ben_vulpes;brain now contains c++, not sure if improvement
980758;1421521566;asciilifeform;at any rate, there is really no way to understand the thing other than - reading it
980759;1421521569;asciilifeform;however unpleasant
980760;1421521596;ben_vulpes;<danielpbarron> i tried to make a raw tx once, got rejected by my own node for having too small a fee << heinous
980761;1421522400;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 52300 @ 0.00050221 = 26.2656 BTC [+] {3} 
980762;1421522503;davout;danielpbarron: iirc with the raw tx thing you can send zero fees without problem, there's however a safeguard against sending a massive fee
980763;1421523377;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 9 @ 0.125 = 1.125 BTC [-]
980764;1421524031;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes> danielpbarron: make sense? << yes, that's what that is.
980765;1421525172;davout;https://github.com/cinchrb/cinch/commit/496f026439ab6c421ac229a34246bf26f2b4daa6 <<< feminists...
980766;1421525173;assbot;Remove gender specific language ·  496f026 · cinchrb/cinch · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1CaWc2h )
980767;1421525438;undata;davout: it's ruby; let them have it
980768;1421525511;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 55900 @ 0.00048731 = 27.2406 BTC [-] {2} 
980769;1421525597;davout;undata: i like ruby :)
980770;1421525724;undata;eh alright
980771;1421526230;ben_vulpes;nevermind that them/their is actually incorrect grammar if not used in reference to more than one person
980772;1421526365;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 45900 @ 0.00048471 = 22.2482 BTC [-] {2} 
980773;1421526461;davout;ben_vulpes: wasn't sure about that, I assumed a weakness in my own english since no one brought that up, but it did sound slightly weird, thanks for clearing it up!
980774;1421526714;Apocalyptic;looks like a valid "singular they" to me, "valid" in the grammatical sense
980775;1421526835;ben_vulpes;it's only ever pushed by "anti sexists"
980776;1421526840;ben_vulpes;as a valid construct.
980777;1421526853;ben_vulpes;a plural cannot by definition be a singular thing.
980778;1421526864;ben_vulpes;if you don't know the gender, say "his or her"
980779;1421526869;ben_vulpes;"their" implies more than one party.
980780;1421526994;punkman;it works :)
980781;1421527033;punkman;http://i.imgur.com/Pg5CRSB.png
980782;1421527035;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1ud5dqR )
980783;1421527106;punkman;ben_vulpes, I think "their/they" was being used long before the queers adopted it
980784;1421527254;ben_vulpes;"pushed by" not "initiated by". furthermore, doesn't make the usage somehow acceptable.
980785;1421527278;ben_vulpes;not that anyone should expect a "developer" to understand how to write english well - it's hard and takes a lot of dedicated study.
980786;1421527317;ben_vulpes;as someone somewhere once said "i don't hire developers who spell well, i hire developers who mispell consistently."
980787;1421527385;asciilifeform;it's hard and takes a lot of dedicated study << only for folks who do not read for pleasure in the particular language.
980788;1421527424;kakobrekla;fuck i read
980789;1421527427;kakobrekla;and i like it
980790;1421527432;kakobrekla;still spell for shit
980791;1421527437;kakobrekla;spill i mean
980792;1421527441;kakobrekla;peal
980793;1421527446;kakobrekla;speal
980794;1421527563;davout;kakobrekla: would it be hard to make links such as w.b-a.link/trust/7C1FBEC924FBD66531A02AE3F95E4E395927DC9C/291237F37A2C023CADBED52513288EAB01713428/json work with keyids as well as fingerprints?
980795;1421527578;kakobrekla;keyids are evil
980796;1421527621;davout;yea, i was reading gpg's rfc yesterday and found out that they aren't supposed to be relied upon for unicity
980797;1421527662;*;kakobrekla has nfi why nano keeps keyid field in his db
980798;1421527688;davout;thing is, i was also reading mp's deedbot spec, the part i was wondering about was the "extract keyid from signed message, and use it in w.b-a.link URL"
980799;1421527735;kakobrekla;replace keyid with fp ?
980800;1421527739;davout;kakobrekla: "nfi why nano keeps keyid field in his db" <<< if you keep the fingerprint you're automatically keeping the key id as far as i understand since the key id is simply the second half of the fpr
980801;1421527753;kakobrekla;last 16 chars iirc
980802;1421527756;kakobrekla;out of 40
980803;1421527780;davout;"replace keyid with fp ?" <<< sure, but how do i get the fpr from a signed message? gpg -v -v will just return the key id
980804;1421527809;kakobrekla;--fingerprint ?
980805;1421527915;davout;that would work when listing keys, i can't seem to get it work when piping a clearsigned msg to "gpg -v -v --fingerprint"
980806;1421527925;punkman;--with-fingerprint maybe
980807;1421527928;davout;s/it xork/it to work/
980808;1421527931;davout;derp
980809;1421527943;kakobrekla;cunt spill fer shut!
980810;1421527971;undata;ben_vulpes: them being the feminists you pedant
980811;1421527977;undata;:p
980812;1421528013;kakobrekla;davout idk worst case some awk and pipes ?
980813;1421528021;undata;ben_vulpes: hah oh the commit
980814;1421528028;undata;carry on then
980815;1421528056;davout;punkman: doth not work
980816;1421528064;undata;as for english as I delve into a few other languages on duolingo I find my native tongue ever more horrifying
980817;1421528080;undata;a shantytown cobbled together with the leftovers of other cultures
980818;1421528092;davout;if i don't have the key in my own keyring it doesn't seem possible to extract the fingerprint from a signed message
980819;1421528098;undata;however thouse german articles are going to do me in
980820;1421528155;kakobrekla;davout you can search keyserver perhps, but starting the search wherever with keyid instead of fp is not best idea
980821;1421528165;Apocalyptic;davout, yeah but anyway you would have the key in your keyring since you have to validate the sig
980822;1421528170;Apocalyptic;so this is a false problem
980823;1421528177;davout;it's always possible to query gribble to get the mapping, but that seems... suboptimal
980824;1421528186;punkman;davout, there is some combination of options that will do it for sure, you can look in python-gnupg
980825;1421528188;kakobrekla;the point is MAPPING is bad
980826;1421528190;undata;davout: you're not going to write it in ruby are you?
980827;1421528192;undata;pls no
980828;1421528193;davout;Apocalyptic: "you have to validate the sig" <<< no i don't think so
980829;1421528197;kakobrekla;doesnt matter WHERE you do it
980830;1421528207;undata;I've got a friend with a decent golang bot on github
980831;1421528225;kakobrekla;lol
980832;1421528230;Apocalyptic;davout, wait, so you're going to publish the deed without checking the signature is legit ?
980833;1421528257;davout;Apocalyptic: yeah, i think mp mentioned somewhere that verifying the sig is not necessary
980834;1421528261;Apocalyptic;oh ok
980835;1421528302;*;undata considers the silence an affirmative...
980836;1421528313;punkman;pretty sure it has to be verified
980837;1421528318;davout;kakobrekla: i agree, it's bad if you rely on keyids to actually identify the key, but if you output the actual full fingerprints in the returned json one can make an educated choice
980838;1421528331;davout;punkman: mebbe i'm wrong here, lemme try and find a reference
980839;1421528334;Apocalyptic;sounds to me like a dubious choice but heh, if mp sez so
980840;1421528351;Apocalyptic;I can see a quite unpleasant spam attack otherwise
980841;1421528373;kakobrekla;which json is that ?
980842;1421528400;davout;punkman Apocalyptic http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=30-08-2014#815284
980843;1421528400;assbot;Logged on 30-08-2014 00:59:50; mircea_popescu: this way you don't have to keep updated keyrings locally or verify signatures in any wya
980844;1421528406;kakobrekla;you mean you input keyid and i output fp
980845;1421528442;kakobrekla;you still need to check i didnt give you garbage no
980846;1421528444;davout;yeah, i put fpr or keyid in url, you spit out the fpr, actually no that's dumb
980847;1421528445;undata;https://github.com/kyleterry/tenyks << use this
980848;1421528447;assbot;kyleterry/tenyks · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1ud8k1W )
980849;1421528467;davout;lemme think moar
980850;1421528490;kakobrekla;undata is it decoupled?
980851;1421528496;undata;yeah
980852;1421528505;undata;you'd write the deed bit as a plugin
980853;1421528527;kakobrekla;not what i mean
980854;1421528531;punkman;as a reminder, code is here https://github.com/extempore/deedbundler
980855;1421528532;assbot;extempore/deedbundler · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1ud8wOD )
980856;1421528548;punkman;(some updates and docs coming in next couple days)
980857;1421528603;kakobrekla;decoupled bot means that the connection process is seperate from all others
980858;1421528612;davout;what *is* specified is that the bot must verify that the signer has L1/L2 assbot trust, looks like this can't be verified correctly without either relying on a keyid as an actual key unique identifier OR keeping a synchronized keyring and actually verifying the signature
980859;1421528617;undata;kakobrekla: yes, that's what I meant
980860;1421528626;undata;the networking core is one thing, and plugins communicate with that over redis
980861;1421528648;undata;plugins can be started and stopped independently of the core
980862;1421528650;kakobrekla;redis eh
980863;1421528651;punkman;kakobrekla: can haz asswot dump?
980864;1421528666;*;kakobrekla will one day recode assbot with zmq
980865;1421528699;kakobrekla;punkman ill set up a daily dump to files.b-a
980866;1421528711;punkman;kewl
980867;1421528866;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25000 @ 0.00049101 = 12.2753 BTC [+]
980868;1421529000;Apocalyptic;davout, so you're taking the deedbot project ?
980869;1421529126;undata;to summarize what's desired, the bot accepts signed documents from wot members in good standing only, publishes them by burning a small amount of btc and uploading to a site?
980870;1421529162;davout;Apocalyptic: i've started poking at it yep
980871;1421529181;davout;undata: it doesn't burn the bitcoins
980872;1421529192;davout;other than that your understanding seems correct to me
980873;1421529203;undata;ah you're right
980874;1421529209;undata;the hash is the privkey
980875;1421529211;undata;derp
980876;1421529259;undata;seems like the parties wishing to publish should provide coin to the deedbot operator
980877;1421529261;davout;not really sure why it has to be restricted to asseteers but w/e
980878;1421529283;undata;davout: the deeds are presumably for business arrangements
980879;1421529297;undata;the wot is an excellent tool for making good decisions about establishing those
980880;1421529314;davout;oh, and it's ppl who have L1/L2 trust from assbot, a subset from the wot members sez the spec
980881;1421529333;punkman;ben_vulpes, this might be of interest http://bitcoinstats.com/irc/bitcoin-dev/logs/2015/01/14#l1421274866
980882;1421529335;assbot;BitcoinStats ... ( http://bit.ly/1udaiPI )
980883;1421529383;davout;undata: "the wot is an excellent tool for making good decisions about establishing those" <<< sure, but i'm not sure why the notarization *tool* would enforce that, i defo don't feel strongly enough about it to argue the point either way
980884;1421529402;undata;davout: not my rationale; speculating on what it might be
980885;1421529475;Apocalyptic;davout, re "looks like this can't be verified correctly without either relying on a keyid as an actual key unique identifier OR keeping a synchronized keyring and actually verifying the signature" I suspect there actually is, playing with the source atm
980886;1421529608;Apocalyptic;grep "get_short_fingerprint" in verify.c and see the related call get_fingerprint_hexstring() which supposedly could get the full fp
980887;1421529630;davout;Apocalyptic: looking at the rfc to see the clearsigned message structure
980888;1421529893;davout;Apocalyptic: RFC 5.2.2 sez a signature packet contains "Eight-octet Key ID of signer"
980889;1421529946;Apocalyptic;then it's settled I guess
980890;1421529975;kakobrekla;basically it says you are fucked
980891;1421529982;davout;o/
980892;1421530002;davout;pretty much
980893;1421530073;davout;so basically the options are
980894;1421530076;scoopbot;New post on Qntra.net by cazalla: http://qntra.net/2015/01/british-bankers-association-bitcoin-a-threat-to-sterling-may-aid-terrorists/
980895;1421530097;davout; - alter spec and add a gribble dependency
980896;1421530098;Apocalyptic;I wonder what the behaviour is if you have two pubkeys in your keyring with the same eight bytes key id and you're trying to verify a message
980897;1421530117;davout; - maintain a full asswot keyring on deedbot's server
980898;1421530139;davout; - not give a fuck about who signed a to-be-notarized blob
980899;1421530148;punkman;Apocalyptic: you can find keys with keyid collisions here https://github.com/coruus/cooperpair
980900;1421530149;assbot;coruus/cooperpair · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1udc43q )
980901;1421530153;davout; - allow unsigned blobs to be notarized
980902;1421530161;Apocalyptic;the second seems like a reasonable choice
980903;1421530201;davout; - the last option is kakobrekla getting some moar work
980904;1421530221;Apocalyptic;punkman, thanks for the link, but I mean that there should be something in the clearsigned message structures that clearly identifies the key that produced it
980905;1421530240;punkman;I think there is, but not 100% sure
980906;1421530249;davout;well, apparently not
980907;1421530254;Apocalyptic;well according to what davout said there is just the 8 bytes
980908;1421530262;Apocalyptic;which is clearly not a canonical identification
980909;1421530295;Apocalyptic;I confess that surprises me, had imagined the full fp would be somewhere
980910;1421530334;davout;looked at version 3 signature packets, mebbe version 4 includes them
980911;1421530513;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 175 @ 0.00651001 = 1.1393 BTC [+]
980912;1421530850;davout;the version 4 signature subpacket spec isn't that clear to me, maybe asciilifeform has some insight
980913;1421530886;davout;kakobrekla: is there a way to easily get an array of asswotted fingerprints?
980914;1421530889;punkman;dabout, just tested it http://dpaste.com/3PDW8YM
980915;1421530890;assbot;dpaste: 3PDW8YM ... ( http://bit.ly/1uddP0x )
980916;1421530913;kakobrekla;daiily db dump?
980917;1421530953;davout;punkman: well, you're requesting a public key, so of course it works :-)
980918;1421531024;undata;the dump seems like the most straightforward thing to me
980919;1421531038;undata;signed by kakobrekla of course
980920;1421531046;davout;kakobrekla: if a 24h delay between asswot registration and ability to notarize is acceptable that would work
980921;1421531121;davout;it still boils down to a fpr <-> keyid mapping tho, not that this is evil _for this particular purpose_ but still
980922;1421531123;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26850 @ 0.00049379 = 13.2583 BTC [+] {2} 
980923;1421531138;kakobrekla;the problem with signing that dump is automation and keeping the key on boxen
980924;1421531185;davout;kakobrekla: tbh if verifying the signature on notarized data is not considered necessary i don't think it's a big issue if the dump is unsigned
980925;1421531215;punkman;davout: you are right, doesn't work with clearsigned message
980926;1421531215;undata;why is it not necessary to verify signatures before notarizing?
980927;1421531245;punkman;so I guess v4 sigs don't have fingerprints either
980928;1421531259;davout;but if you'd be ok with having some API call simply return the array of fingerprints in realtime, that'd be the easiest deedbot-wise :D
980929;1421531316;undata;davout: isn't the whole point of a notary verifying the identities of the parties involved then verifying that an agreement has taken place?
980930;1421531321;undata;or have I missed something
980931;1421531327;davout;undata: i didn't spec it, ask mp for the rationale -> http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=30-08-2014#815284
980932;1421531327;assbot;Logged on 30-08-2014 00:59:50; mircea_popescu: this way you don't have to keep updated keyrings locally or verify signatures in any wya
980933;1421531361;davout;undata: the notary doesn't enforce the agreement so why bother verifying the signature at all
980934;1421531392;undata;well he's saying ask gribble
980935;1421531394;undata;that makes sense
980936;1421531408;davout;for all i care the bot could hang out in -assets, and notarize whatever is asked from whoever has voice, sounds like the simplest straight-to-the-point approach to me
980937;1421531418;undata;I don't like it
980938;1421531439;davout;well, let's light some jasmine candles and talk about our feelings then
980939;1421531472;undata;so you're going to rely on the IRC protocol and not gpg?
980940;1421531481;undata;the fuck is the point of even having gpg involved then?
980941;1421531500;undata;and how does one move the process to another protocol later
980942;1421531503;undata;that's dumb
980943;1421531599;davout;because the notary doesn't enforce or verify anything, just certifies that something existed at some point of time
980944;1421531620;undata;surely one can do better than stamping any turd that comes along
980945;1421531623;undata;anyhow do it your way
980946;1421531634;undata;I'm hacking on it as well
980947;1421531643;davout;lol
980948;1421531702;davout;the thing is that, whatever turd comes along is necessarily given by someone who has voice in assets, so by very definition, not a turd
980949;1421531725;undata;davout: because no one ever once was opped in a chan that shouldn't have been
980950;1421531729;undata;use your head.
980951;1421531814;davout;meh, it's not like that person could steal stuff or anything
980952;1421531842;undata;says the bridge builder to the parties on either side "eh, fuck it, whatever"
980953;1421531858;davout;i mean, even in that case, what's the worst that could happen? specifically?
980954;1421531977;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 3596 @ 0.00068279 = 2.4553 BTC [-] {12} 
980955;1421532068;undata;davout: a notary is not just a person with a clock and eyes
980956;1421532099;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 3933 @ 0.0006596 = 2.5942 BTC [-] {21} 
980957;1421532113;undata;part of the service is actually having an idea of what has transpired, sort of renting out your good name
980958;1421532125;undata;? and ? did *whatever*
980959;1421532129;undata;^not a valuable service
980960;1421532151;undata;or I'll go sit on a park bench and call myself a notary
980961;1421532221;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 1925 @ 0.00063202 = 1.2166 BTC [-] {2} 
980962;1421532251;davout;look, there is a reason it's called deedbot, and not notarybot, it's none of deedbot's business to know what happened, for all you know the notarized stuff could perfectly be encrypted
980963;1421532268;davout;what then? you refuse to process it?
980964;1421532295;undata;two parties presented themselves to me and both said "I agree to whatevers in this blob"
980965;1421532304;undata;I have witnessed that fact and I sign and note the time
980966;1421532307;undata;yes that's fine
980967;1421532332;davout;that's not what tell you, they tell you 'this blob existed at that point of time, what's in it is none of your business'
980968;1421532389;undata;agreeing it existed is an agreement...
980969;1421532392;undata;you are being dense; go hack
980970;1421532404;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27509 @ 0.00049673 = 13.6645 BTC [+]
980971;1421532431;undata;whether it says inside "A owes B his kidney" or "The sky is blue" both can be held to account that they have made the utterance by the existince of the thing
980972;1421532439;undata;less so if the witness did not bother to verify identity
980973;1421532643;davout;the point is to timestamp stuff, not hold anyone accountable to anybody other than by the actual parties to the contract, what's so hard about that?
980974;1421532700;undata;no, it's to timestamp that an agreement occurred between two identified parties
980975;1421532706;undata;I'm done arguing
980976;1421532720;davout;lol, where does the spec even mention a second party?
980977;1421532735;undata;davout: why are they published?
980978;1421532746;davout;lol yes
980979;1421532755;undata;... that's not an answer to my question
980980;1421532764;undata;why does one publish the signed blobs
980981;1421532771;undata;what's the point of that? in human terms?
980982;1421532780;davout;umm... to timestamp them
980983;1421532784;undata;god you're dumb
980984;1421532828;undata;davout: what is the point of publishing a scientific work in a credible journal?
980985;1421532881;davout;i think we should've stuck to lighting these jasmine candles :-)
980986;1421532917;undata;davout: lest you have to think about anything other than rubbing some ruby together
980987;1421532931;undata;the reputation of the orifice matters and is maintained by not shoveling shit out into the public forum
980988;1421533098;davout;...
980989;1421533258;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8391 @ 0.00049623 = 4.1639 BTC [-]
980990;1421533370;undata;davout: surely you understand that the wot quantifies what a deed may provide historicity
980991;1421533380;undata;say you and I make an agreement and you fail to execute your side
980992;1421533382;undata;I negrate you
980993;1421533431;undata;doesn't our agreement being public and with firm verification of identity bolster my claim among peers that you're a knucklehead?
980994;1421533989;asciilifeform;davout: the version 4 signature subpacket spec << what do you want to know about it ?
980995;1421534006;asciilifeform;davout: https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc4880
980996;1421534008;assbot;RFC 4880 - OpenPGP Message Format ... ( http://bit.ly/1CAOiOa )
980997;1421534094;davout;asciilifeform: yeah, that's what i was reading, it mentions user ids in the subpackets spec, but i'm unsure whether that includes an actual key fingerprint, i tend to understand that it doesn't
980998;1421534141;davout;(pretty interesting read btw)
980999;1421534150;asciilifeform;davout: nope. key id.
981000;1421534188;kakobrekla;any good reason for this ?
981001;1421534203;asciilifeform;kakobrekla: none afaik. the standard simply sucks.
981002;1421534234;kakobrekla;i was afraid you gonna say that.
981003;1421534249;davout;lol
981004;1421534260;asciilifeform;'it saves a few bytes' probably sounded like 'good reason' to the authors.
981005;1421534287;kakobrekla;nsa only has so much disk space.
981006;1421534299;asciilifeform;or, alternatively, like the choice of 'aes' over the stronger but 'slower' 'serpent' cipher, it was merely orders from lizardhitler.
981007;1421534314;davout;"Implementations SHOULD NOT assume that Key IDs are unique", so let's just include that in the signature packet. derp
981008;1421534349;asciilifeform;davout: a little subtler than that. the original assumption was that you would only ever verify sigs from folks you had a proper key party with
981009;1421534363;asciilifeform;and hence have a reasonably confident idea of genuine key for.
981010;1421534363;davout;which makes sense
981011;1421534401;asciilifeform;hence the 'key id' was meant as merely a soft handle to quickly pick out the right pubkey.
981012;1421534404;kakobrekla;fuckin key party and assumption of socialization
981013;1421534409;asciilifeform;rather than something to resist attack of any kind
981014;1421534468;asciilifeform;original pgp was not an apparatus for one-off deals with strangers, but something to use between friends, as i understand.
981015;1421534471;davout;and i guess even in the case of a keyid collision that has no impact on actual signature verification
981016;1421534478;asciilifeform;davout: correct
981017;1421534532;asciilifeform;davout: assuming it was an accidental collision, and that you have not entered a properly, maliciously crafted pubkey into your keychain that it -will- verify with
981018;1421534535;asciilifeform;if that makes sense
981019;1421534567;asciilifeform;the keychain thing nicely parallels ben_vulpes's discussion re: bitcoind wallets
981020;1421534582;asciilifeform;if it seems asinine, it is because it was designed for a certain pattern of use, which does not apply now.
981021;1421534598;davout;that doesn't make much sense to me, how would a maliciously crafted pubkey even verify the signature?
981022;1421534617;asciilifeform;davout: only if the signature was in fact made with evilkey
981023;1421534692;asciilifeform;davout: picture if you were trying to pass a document off as having been signed by X. you generate a key with the correct name, etc. and colliding keyid, then try to pass it off as the genuine article; then, when chumps swallow it, sign with it
981024;1421534697;asciilifeform;and naturally the sigs will verify
981025;1421534735;asciilifeform;this is considerably harder (in practice, likely impossible) with fp instead of id
981026;1421534770;asciilifeform;but rfc4880 does not specify that fp ought to be embedded in sigs.
981027;1421534788;asciilifeform;and so they weren't.
981028;1421534790;asciilifeform;hence this thread.
981029;1421534894;davout;the signature verification would in this case (assuming both keys are in the keyring) yield both a pass and a fail, right?
981030;1421534943;davout;;;calc 2^64
981031;1421534944;gribble;Error: Something in there wasn't a valid number.
981032;1421534948;davout;;;calc 2**64
981033;1421534948;gribble;18446744073709551616
981034;1421534994;davout;that would be the number of distinct keyids, not sure how practically feasible it would be to bruteforce a collision
981035;1421535202;Apocalyptic;2**64 is well within reach of a supercomputer
981036;1421535210;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35709 @ 0.00050049 = 17.872 BTC [+]
981037;1421535318;Apocalyptic;just take the bitcoin network, it performs 2**64 hashes in 60 seconds at current hashrate if I'm not mistaken
981038;1421535382;davout;i see
981039;1421535386;Apocalyptic;and that's just for a preimage, if you want a collision the birthday paradox will tell you that you need much less than that
981040;1421535451;ben_vulpes;<kakobrekla> [] fuckin key party and assumption of socialization << another kakobrekla line worth reposting
981041;1421535455;davout;well, if you want to pull off an attack on someone you'll want to get a collision with a specific key id
981042;1421535679;punkman;davout, see cooper-pair link, has various PoCs
981043;1421535698;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11847 @ 0.00048378 = 5.7313 BTC [-]
981044;1421535703;davout;!s cooper-pair
981045;1421535703;assbot;0 results for 'cooper-pair' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=cooper-pair
981046;1421535795;Apocalyptic;http://blogs.wsj.com/digits/2015/01/16/obama-sides-with-cameron-in-encryption-fight/ // to paraphrase ascii, mega-lol
981047;1421535797;assbot;  Obama Sides with Cameron in Encryption Fight - Digits - WSJ ... ( http://bit.ly/1CASWeV )
981048;1421536198;asciilifeform;Apocalyptic: 'key escrow' crapolade went out with the first clinton presidency, will probably return with the second.
981049;1421536204;asciilifeform;(third)
981050;1421536375;Apocalyptic;can't wait
981051;1421536586;davout;"sure you can escrow my key, wanna make sure it's mine? just check the keyid"
981052;1421536588;undata;asciilifeform: after the next attack they'll ram all kind of laws through around weakining crypto
981053;1421536602;undata;*ening
981054;1421536633;undata;because terrorists can't find an old copy of gpg?
981055;1421536684;asciilifeform;undata: at some point it will be forbidden in usa to sell or even own a computer which can meaningfully run classic gpg
981056;1421536765;asciilifeform;this is a considerably less-fantastic scenario than it would have appeared to be in the '90s, because of the 'nintendoization' of computing. gpg simply won't appear in the apple and microshit 'app stores' and thereby vanish
981057;1421536788;nanotube;kakobrekla: i have no idea why i keep keyid as a separate column in db either. probably something grandfathered in...
981058;1421536808;kakobrekla;:)
981059;1421537223;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 37900 @ 0.0004938 = 18.715 BTC [+] {2} 
981060;1421537361;undata;asciilifeform: not far-fetched at all
981061;1421538016;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9154 @ 0.00048378 = 4.4285 BTC [-]
981062;1421538687;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8507 @ 0.00050465 = 4.2931 BTC [+] {3} 
981063;1421539053;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 65131 @ 0.00048038 = 31.2876 BTC [-] {2} 
981064;1421539615;mircea_popescu;http://36.media.tumblr.com/1cc9a5d0cfe50e3ab506233f9f113a82/tumblr_mksvh7tuk11rl0d0yo1_500.jpg lllllllava lamp
981065;1421539616;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1sNeXqI )
981066;1421539735;mircea_popescu;davout everyone can now be a "developer". even idiots.
981067;1421539770;PeterL;even me :)
981068;1421539786;davout;mircea_popescu: o hey, what are you referring to?
981069;1421539804;mircea_popescu;the "o look mom, i made a github commit. it changes the spelling of comments" thing
981070;1421539819;mircea_popescu;PeterL there's a difference between the innocent and the stupid.
981071;1421539846;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22950 @ 0.00050894 = 11.6802 BTC [+] {2} 
981072;1421539849;PeterL;wait, which am I?
981073;1421539850;davout;ah, yea lol, i had a look to see if this chick had any other commits on the project, seems like it's her sole 'contribution' to the whole thing
981074;1421539863;mircea_popescu;davout no matter, "core contributor" nao.
981075;1421539880;mircea_popescu;whole slew of these, the cleaning lady wants to be "part of the team" nao.
981076;1421539889;davout;by this account i'm a core contributor to bitcoin too, i reset testnet once, fuck it
981077;1421539899;mircea_popescu;PeterL weren't you a biochemist by trade dabbling into code as a hobby recently ?
981078;1421539903;asciilifeform;not cleaning lady. demented bomzh who breaks into the office and takes a shit in the coffee pot.
981079;1421539911;PeterL;chemist, yes
981080;1421539917;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform this is what us cleaning lady does.
981081;1421539921;mircea_popescu;PeterL so you'd be the innocent.
981082;1421539929;mircea_popescu;at least until proof to the contrary.
981083;1421539940;PeterL;ok, I'll take that
981084;1421539964;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform they don't have cleaning ladies in the classic sense, which is why conde nast is writing memos to the "journos" about keeping the place clean.
981085;1421539981;mircea_popescu;apparently nobody heard of a "shut.the.fuck.up.and.hire.cleaning.crew.cheapskates."
981086;1421539998;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: what is this. every office park where i live has cleaners.
981087;1421540013;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: 100% 'spanish'
981088;1421540033;mircea_popescu;same here, but who the fuck knows what they do in the soviet republic of san francisco.
981089;1421540048;mircea_popescu;yoga class, probably.
981090;1421540113;mircea_popescu;kakobrekla: keyids are evil << yeh davout. stop thinking about short keyids bs.
981091;1421540140;davout;well, i was just reading about them in the deedbot spec
981092;1421540158;davout;i'll let you read the convo
981093;1421540190;mircea_popescu;i just have.
981094;1421540197;mircea_popescu;what do you mean gpg doesn't return them ?!
981095;1421540218;davout;it does, it doesn't however return fingerprints
981096;1421540296;mircea_popescu;ok but then gpg --fingerprint | grep "keid" ?
981097;1421540308;davout;that implies you have the key in your keyring
981098;1421540316;mircea_popescu;one more reason gpg has to be rewritten i guess.
981099;1421540320;mircea_popescu; who the fuck did this i have nfi.
981100;1421540348;asciilifeform;everybody here understands difference between how key id and fp are calculated ?
981101;1421540359;asciilifeform;and yes, it's retarded
981102;1421540379;mircea_popescu;ah it's there.
981103;1421540380;mircea_popescu;nah nah.
981104;1421540403;mircea_popescu;davout http://pastebin.com/66Cb1kbX
981105;1421540404;assbot;$ gpg -v -v --with-fingerprint  gpg: Go ahead and type your message ...  -----BE - Pastebin.com ... ( http://bit.ly/1sNixkt )
981106;1421540422;davout;asciilifeform: well, keyid is a part of the fpr afaik
981107;1421540495;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform keyid is the last 16 chars of the 40 char fignerprint. and then there's an 8 char shit too. neither of these last two are any good, but hey, "usability". crap.
981108;1421540537;mircea_popescu;https://evil32.com/examples.html for the innocents reading logs.
981109;1421540539;assbot;Evil 32: Check Your GPG Fingerprints ... ( http://bit.ly/1sNj3PC )
981110;1421540628;mircea_popescu;kakobrekla: the point is MAPPING is bad << he understands.
981111;1421540639;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8350 @ 0.0005114 = 4.2702 BTC [+] {2} 
981112;1421540666;davout;mircea_popescu: try with this guy -> http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=bxxZyms9
981113;1421540667;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1sNjDNa )
981114;1421540684;Apocalyptic;mircea, what is your pastebin supposed to show ?
981115;1421540696;davout;if you don't have the key in your ring it won't know the fpr
981116;1421540699;mircea_popescu;Apocalyptic the fingerprint, penultimate line.
981117;1421540704;undata;davout is right
981118;1421540705;Apocalyptic;it does show "Primary key fingerprint: 6160 E1CA C8A3 C529 66FD  7699 8A73 6F0E 2FB7 B452" because you have you own key in your keyring obviously
981119;1421540712;Apocalyptic;go try it on a system you have no
981120;1421540714;Apocalyptic;*not
981121;1421540721;mircea_popescu;davout if you don';t have the key you can't verify signatures, dork!
981122;1421540737;davout;lol, deedbot isn't supposed to verify sigs amirite
981123;1421540740;Apocalyptic;well this was the whole point of the discussion
981124;1421540750;Apocalyptic;and according to davout it's not supposed ot verify
981125;1421540756;undata;^ this enraged me
981126;1421540760;*;undata is open to correction
981127;1421540761;davout;i could tell
981128;1421540781;mircea_popescu;well apparently it just became required to verify cause otherwise it can't talk to assbot.
981129;1421540784;mircea_popescu;accidental spec!
981130;1421540828;davout;mircea_popescu: with the fingerprint for a key it could simply do what you said wrt requesting trust data as a json blob from the w.b-a.link thing
981131;1421540840;davout;s/for a key/for a sig/
981132;1421540851;mircea_popescu;davout but assbot won't respond unless he queries by fingerprints.
981133;1421540864;davout;yea that's the whole problem
981134;1421540865;mircea_popescu;IF gpg doesn't put out full fingerprints for verified keys, then gpg is broken
981135;1421540889;mircea_popescu;gpg: Signature made Sat 21 Aug 1999 07:04:31 PM ART using DSA key ID 8ACE3E79
981136;1421540889;mircea_popescu;gpg: Can't check signature: public key not found
981137;1421540891;mircea_popescu;myeah.
981138;1421540913;davout;the crux is 'verified keys', if deedbot doesn't maintain a full keyring at all times it can't pull fingerprints
981139;1421540923;davout;this sounds a bit overkill to me
981140;1421540926;mircea_popescu;defo the gpg signature model is bad.
981141;1421540944;mircea_popescu;feel free to fork and fix the gpg key verification process so it reports fingerpritns properly not wtf it's doing now.
981142;1421540976;davout;gpg can't know the fpr for a key it doesn't have, the information isn't part of the signature packet
981143;1421540994;Apocalyptic;mircea, note that neither the "-v" nor the "--with-fingerprint" flags are required to get the fingerprint line displayed
981144;1421540996;mircea_popescu;who the fuck did thius.
981145;1421541010;Apocalyptic;^ I asked myself the same
981146;1421541020;davout;see http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-01-2015#980997
981147;1421541020;assbot;Logged on 17-01-2015 22:34:54; davout: asciilifeform: yeah, that's what i was reading, it mentions user ids in the subpackets spec, but i'm unsure whether that includes an actual key fingerprint, i tend to understand that it doesn't
981148;1421541056;*;mircea_popescu rages
981149;1421541067;mircea_popescu;dude rms, you saved 24 bytes aren't you a smart fucking cookie.
981150;1421541095;mircea_popescu;davout only possible workaround seems keeping the lordship keys.
981151;1421541101;PeterL;would it be hard to maintain a keyring with all us in it?
981152;1421541108;undata;no
981153;1421541114;Apocalyptic;that's what punkman's bot did afaik
981154;1421541115;mircea_popescu;which i guess is not that bad, seeing how it also solves the problem of the untrustworthy pgp-sks etc
981155;1421541129;davout;anyway, my point wrt to deedbot is that it's supposed to be used by ppl with L1/L2 trust, it doesn't need to check gpg signatures, so let anyone with +v in -assets use it, do away with the requirement that a keyid belonging to someone in assbot's wot be presented or maliciously hammered into the message
981156;1421541136;mircea_popescu;so i guess ima have to modify the spec instead of finishing my "on terrorism' article.
981157;1421541161;mircea_popescu;davout how do you propose to query assbot for l1/l2 inclusion ?
981158;1421541181;davout;whoever has voice in -assets shall be deemed worthy to notarize
981159;1421541194;mircea_popescu;derp.
981160;1421541203;mircea_popescu;no, it's not ok to overload voice like that.
981161;1421541209;undata;this was my entire rant
981162;1421541212;davout;greatly simplifies the problem, don't see too much downside to it, and we're eventually moving to gossipd anyway
981163;1421541216;mircea_popescu;i give voice to all the whores, not to mention all sorts of known usg agents
981164;1421541224;PeterL;but you would still need keys to verify deed signatures?
981165;1421541232;undata;why should gpg exist; irc is apparently all we ever needed
981166;1421541235;mircea_popescu;PeterL original spec didn't call for that.
981167;1421541241;davout;and notary would be connected through asswot's gossipd's node anyway
981168;1421541256;PeterL;oh, do deeds even need to be gpg signed?
981169;1421541258;mircea_popescu;davout undata gossipd can well be a year or two away.
981170;1421541262;mircea_popescu;PeterL yes.
981171;1421541272;undata;mircea_popescu: I am being facetious, and argued earlier for sig verification
981172;1421541275;davout;let whores timestamp some blobs now and then i say
981173;1421541281;undata;I'm hacking on something now, but will wait for an updated spec
981174;1421541282;PeterL;why sign if you are not verifying?
981175;1421541288;mircea_popescu;incoming.
981176;1421541310;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10900 @ 0.00050843 = 5.5419 BTC [-]
981177;1421541318;davout;undata: you fail to comprehend that it's not deedbot's job to certify to a third party that the contract is signed by an identified party, gpg already does that
981178;1421541357;davout;wrt to your earlier example of me scamming you, anybody can verify i signed the contract by using gpg itself
981179;1421541358;undata;davout: its output should be the history of valid deeds, not "that which a rubber stamp has touched"
981180;1421541374;davout;why the hell would it need deedbot to testify to that too ?
981181;1421541399;undata;god... do the proceedings of court note that a pidgeon shat on the window?
981182;1421541413;davout;that didn't parse
981183;1421541422;davout;it did derp
981184;1421541431;undata;have you ever been to a notary?
981185;1421541459;davout;why do you absolutely want to shoehorn your conception of a notary into deedbot?
981186;1421541472;undata;do you know what a deed is?
981187;1421541484;undata;or why one has it observed by a 3rd party?
981188;1421541488;undata;and signed as such
981189;1421541501;davout;we don't need Z to witness that X and Y signed a contract together, because any party can and will use GPG
981190;1421541514;davout;and properly verify that fact
981191;1421541547;davout;why would Z's word add any value to the information GPG outputs?
981192;1421541574;punkman;it doesn't really, but it's useful nonetheless
981193;1421541599;undata;keeps the published bundles down to a size that is manageable
981194;1421541615;undata;keeps it from being filled with useless crud with invalid sigs
981195;1421541616;davout;wtf is this size bzns?
981196;1421541628;undata;size for hands and eyeballs to verify
981197;1421541639;Apocalyptic;<undata> keeps it from being filled with useless crud with invalid sigs << this sounds pretty reasonable
981198;1421541640;undata;not disk space
981199;1421541676;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15100 @ 0.00050726 = 7.6596 BTC [-]
981200;1421541687;punkman;davout, I'll just say that there were many cases with invalid signatures posted as deeds
981201;1421541697;mircea_popescu;http://trilema.com/2015/open-deed-system-for-bitcoin-assets-updated/
981202;1421541698;assbot;[OPEN] Deed system for #bitcoin-assets, updated. pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.  ... ( http://bit.ly/1sNobmP )
981203;1421541774;davout;the whole point here is to let ppl with L2/L1 trust timestamp stuff
981204;1421541794;davout;and only them
981205;1421541838;mircea_popescu;not and only them.
981206;1421541850;mircea_popescu;the point is to let them create and let the whole world trust and be able to verify.
981207;1421541863;scoopbot;New post on Trilema by Mircea Popescu: http://trilema.com/2015/open-deed-system-for-bitcoin-assets-updated/
981208;1421541864;scoopbot;New post on Trilema by Mircea Popescu: http://trilema.com/2015/what-does-desperation-look-like/
981209;1421541900;mircea_popescu;its point is enacting privilege, not segregation.
981210;1421541959;davout;what is privilege if not the differentiation from the un-privileged?
981211;1421541972;undata;mircea_popescu: I read the payment as coming from the party wanting a signature, not the bot?
981212;1421541974;undata;or no
981213;1421541982;undata;seems fair to me; pay per use
981214;1421541995;mircea_popescu;undata no, payment comes from teh boty.
981215;1421542015;undata;whyssat?
981216;1421542032;mircea_popescu;but dun worry about it, i seeded the prev one an' ill seed this one too.
981217;1421542052;undata;k
981218;1421542114;mircea_popescu;davout it gotta be one way. if there's four people and they fuck in two subsets of twos, that's segregation. if there's one that fucks all other three but the rest only jack off, that's privilege.
981219;1421542160;davout;i see
981220;1421542223;mircea_popescu;is "and pushes it to public repositories" a point of contention ?
981221;1421542265;PeterL;wouldn't keys already be public when registering with assbot?
981222;1421542285;davout;mircea_popescu: well, now the bot needs a key too :-)
981223;1421542297;mircea_popescu;PeterL idea kinda is to make a further record of people's sigs, help guard them against mitm and other nefariousness. but as davout points out, now the bot needs a key.
981224;1421542328;PeterL;did it not have a key before?
981225;1421542330;mircea_popescu;which makes shit more complicated. however, it also makes shit perhaps better defensible ? i dunno.
981226;1421542332;mircea_popescu;nah.
981227;1421542345;davout;i don't really see a use for that
981228;1421542423;davout;and if the signature on the blob is required only for access control, maybe it's be better to leverage asswot's functionality directly
981229;1421542447;mircea_popescu;davout nah, it's required for inclusion in bthe actual deed.
981230;1421542450;davout;as in 'wanna timestamp some stuff? fine, verify with and otp"
981231;1421542453;mircea_popescu;for later ppl to be able to verify at home.
981232;1421542709;davout;say i want to timestamp a contract i made with someone also in the L2 group as nested clearsigns, i doesn't really matter which signature is checked by deedbot, right?
981233;1421542731;davout;nah, scratch that
981234;1421542760;mircea_popescu;it only checks outer.
981235;1421542791;davout;yeah well, i wanted to point out that it didn't really prevent anyone from checking the inner sig at home
981236;1421542823;davout;i just fail to see a good reason to make the signatures mandatory, outside of access control that is
981237;1421542869;mircea_popescu;so that someone in 3714, with nothing but an inscription of deedbot's deeds, can verify our contracts just as well as we can.
981238;1421542881;mircea_popescu;this is the point of notarization : making the acts of men equal to the acts of god.
981239;1421542924;asciilifeform;unless key factored <= 3714
981240;1421542936;asciilifeform;not god quite yet.
981241;1421542972;davout;maybe we'll want to timestamp something else than contracts is what i'm thinking
981242;1421542978;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform factorization trivially defeated by better key putting it into record :(
981243;1421542981;mircea_popescu;:) i mean
981244;1421542997;asciilifeform;gotta be alive to upgrade keys
981245;1421543003;asciilifeform;ozymandias - won't.
981246;1421543010;PeterL;you can timestamp whatever you want, as long as gpg signed first
981247;1421543060;davout;that's how is spec'd yes :-)
981248;1421543131;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform no but suppose your 4kb key is factorized. this matter is discovered by joe on june 19th, 3211. he signs, with his 64kb key, a note saying so.
981249;1421543160;mircea_popescu;now, come 3714, it will be clear that uses ulterior to 3211 are null. but it will also be clear that uses prior to say, 3200 will still hold
981250;1421543173;mircea_popescu;davout that's how it goes, why not.
981251;1421543212;asciilifeform;well yes, in that case joe is, so to speak, trimming the weeds on your monument.
981252;1421543221;mircea_popescu;yup
981253;1421543286;davout;asciilifeform: also if you see a message signed with your key, and timestamped 200 years after your first timestamped message you can reasonably assumed it's been broken
981254;1421543310;asciilifeform;davout: lol, but what kind of idiot would do that
981255;1421543352;davout;say i timestamp sth in 2014
981256;1421543377;davout;any timestamping after 2114 is null and void, problem solves itself
981257;1421543454;PeterL;I don't suppose people pass keys down to their heirs?
981258;1421543467;undata;davout: this business of making assumptions is not how it's done...
981259;1421543539;davout;PeterL: well, sign something to this effect, otherwise timestamps are inherently suspicious, esp. if factorization is possible given state of current technology
981260;1421543551;davout;*further timestamps
981261;1421543567;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 51000 @ 0.00050035 = 25.5179 BTC [-] {2} 
981262;1421543590;davout;undata: which assumption are you referring to?
981263;1421543760;kakobrekla;you are suppose to assume that
981264;1421543994;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 11 @ 0.125 = 1.375 BTC [-]
981265;1421544607;mircea_popescu;<PeterL> I don't suppose people pass keys down to their heirs? << people well might.
981266;1421544647;mircea_popescu;what exactly is inheritance if not this, fundamentally, inheriting father's FIRM. ie, signature.
981267;1421544749;asciilifeform;nope.
981268;1421544766;asciilifeform;in the case of pgp key, it's rather like, in the worst case, time travel.
981269;1421544787;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17400 @ 0.00050949 = 8.8651 BTC [+] {3} 
981270;1421544820;asciilifeform;dead pope's seal is broken for a reason.
981271;1421544836;asciilifeform;granted, not everyone is a pope.
981272;1421544850;undata;asciilifeform: still seems father would sign a public statement granting his possessions to a son
981273;1421544875;mircea_popescu;a complicated matter.
981274;1421544879;asciilifeform;sure. but he does not give him the ability to retroactively emulate him
981275;1421544886;undata;asciilifeform: I was agreeing :)
981276;1421544890;asciilifeform;father might want to bind the son into some sort of 'dead hand' arrangement
981277;1421544909;mircea_popescu;father generally does, for "son's own good".
981278;1421545316;asciilifeform;if son inherits signature, he can possibly unbind himself.
981279;1421545321;asciilifeform;or worse
981280;1421545334;asciilifeform;(crap all over father's posthumous good name by forging past xxxxx)
981281;1421545336;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26898 @ 0.00049826 = 13.4022 BTC [-]
981282;1421545345;mircea_popescu;!up BayAreaCoins
981283;1421545359;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform you can't forge past because you can' register old deeds.
981284;1421545369;mircea_popescu;and you can retire a key any time you feel like.
981285;1421545396;asciilifeform;this assumes a universally agreed upon timestamp mechanism, yes.
981286;1421545405;asciilifeform;if there isn't one - can forge.
981287;1421545545;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform yes, the notary blockchain stamping mechanism.
981288;1421545547;mircea_popescu;quite universal.
981289;1421545730;kakobrekla;!s dual ec drbg
981290;1421545730;assbot;3 results for 'dual ec drbg' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=dual+ec+drbg
981291;1421547959;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6902 @ 0.00049826 = 3.439 BTC [-]
981292;1421548526;undata;mircea_popescu: I get "No data" from the link in your spec article, and when I substitute my key's fingerprint
981293;1421548559;scoopbot;New post on Trilema by Mircea Popescu: http://trilema.com/2015/on-terrorism/
981294;1421548774;mircea_popescu;undata lessee
981295;1421548815;mircea_popescu;w.b-a.link/trust/7C1FBEC924FBD66531A02AE3F95E4E395927DC9C/FC66C0C5D98C42A1D4A98B6B42F9985AFAB953C4/json
981296;1421548820;mircea_popescu;http://w.b-a.link/trust/7C1FBEC924FBD66531A02AE3F95E4E395927DC9C/FC66C0C5D98C42A1D4A98B6B42F9985AFAB953C4/json
981297;1421548821;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1yrC7W6 )
981298;1421548831;mircea_popescu;i r see json.
981299;1421548935;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 61600 @ 0.0005047 = 31.0895 BTC [+] {3} 
981300;1421549000;undata;mircea_popescu: ah right, two parameters makes sense; the article has one
981301;1421549009;undata;the spec intends assbots fingerprint is one param?
981302;1421549021;mircea_popescu;you're supposed to replace the other one with the key you're looking for
981303;1421549071;undata;mircea_popescu: ty
981304;1421549914;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: re: 'terrorism' article: where would you place osman empire on the 'law/terror' map?
981305;1421550582;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 67400 @ 0.00048005 = 32.3554 BTC [-] {3} 
981306;1421550765;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15600 @ 0.00047837 = 7.4626 BTC [-]
981307;1421551548;cazalla;rate Rozal -3 threatened to rate me -10 because he doesn't understand how the WoT actually works, see http://pastebin.com/PABNbsex for conversation, offered to then pay me to remove the -1 earning him a -3
981308;1421551550;assbot;<Rozal> h  <Rozal> hi  <Rozal> i hate people who abuse the rating system  <Rozal - Pastebin.com ... ( http://bit.ly/1yb2vBD )
981309;1421551574;cazalla;ah, clearly i gots to learn the new assbot rules, been a little busy
981310;1421551591;kakobrekla;put ! in front
981311;1421551615;cazalla;oh, that's right :) all good, did it in pm now
981312;1421551619;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 51166 @ 0.00047822 = 24.4686 BTC [-] {2} 
981313;1421551882;asciilifeform;http://www.spiegel.de/international/world/new-snowden-docs-indicate-scope-of-nsa-preparations-for-cyber-battle-a-1013409.html << arguably the first genuinely interesting snowdenism. with actual crapware samples, protocol docs.
981314;1421551883;assbot;New Snowden Docs Indicate Scope of NSA Preparations for Cyber Battle - SPIEGEL ONLINE ... ( http://bit.ly/1yb3amC )
981315;1421551896;asciilifeform;and a few lists of pwned hardware.
981316;1421552612;decimation;asciilifeform: one wonders how much of this kind of thing he has left in 'reserve'
981317;1421552638;PeterL;and is it just going to get juicier as time goes on?
981318;1421552701;decimation;actually the 'bios erasure' thing calls to mind this news story back in 2013
981319;1421552703;decimation;http://www.theregister.co.uk/2013/12/16/nsa_alleges_bios_plot_to_destroy_pcs/
981320;1421552705;assbot;NSA alleges 'BIOS plot to destroy PCs' • The Register     ... ( http://bit.ly/1yb55rb )
981321;1421552710;asciilifeform;erasure's a snore.
981322;1421552714;asciilifeform;any idiot can erase.
981323;1421552890;decimation;asciilifeform: right, but it is amusing to look at the sudden panic over 'evil foreign erasure virus' when that's exactly what they have been working on (apparently)
981324;1421553630;decimation;http://www.theregister.co.uk/2015/01/16/obama_and_cameron_cybersecurity_partnership/ < "The President acknowledged concerns that encryption technology may make intelligence-gathering efforts more difficult, saying, "If we get into a situation which the technologies do not allow us at all to track somebody we're confident is a terrorist … and despite knowing that information, despite having a phone number or a social-media address
981325;1421553631;assbot;Prez Obama snubs UK PM's tough anti-encryption crusade at White House meet • The Register     ... ( http://bit.ly/15lD4SF )
981326;1421553631;decimation;or email address, that we can't penetrate that, that's a problem.""
981327;1421554078;asciilifeform;also expect to read volumes in the next few weeks in crapmedia re: the 'openssh backdoor'
981328;1421554089;asciilifeform;(which is actually a pedestrian doctored build)
981329;1421555266;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform quite lawful.
981330;1421555279;mircea_popescu;it prevented the middle east issues for well over 5 centuries.
981331;1421555298;mircea_popescu;thus accomplishing more than western europe + north america, by a damned sight.
981332;1421555318;asciilifeform;wai wat
981333;1421555322;mircea_popescu;yeah.
981334;1421555337;mircea_popescu;whenever people like taleb think of peace in their homeland,
981335;1421555355;mircea_popescu;they're really thinking of something that was utopia pre and probably post osmanli.
981336;1421555363;asciilifeform;aha that
981337;1421555371;asciilifeform;forgot, for a min, what the original question was
981338;1421555376;asciilifeform;a little mindfuck.
981339;1421555387;mircea_popescu;osmanlı
981340;1421555391;asciilifeform;(bios diddlers kept the piece in mid. east...)
981341;1421555392;mircea_popescu;lol
981342;1421555396;asciilifeform;*peace
981343;1421555402;mircea_popescu;piece even better
981344;1421555407;*;asciilifeform has been at the console for too long, he thought
981345;1421555460;*;asciilifeform spend ~2h today haggling with a door-to-door flunkie from his isp, which recently hauled in extra fiber & is trying to upsell folks
981346;1421555526;mircea_popescu;so how much did you make haggling ?
981347;1421555534;asciilifeform;zip. sc4mz0rz.
981348;1421555558;*;undata is in progress haggling a new computer out of lenovo
981349;1421555558;asciilifeform;all the 'gr34t n3w d34lzz' were for buyers of tv & phone service.
981350;1421555561;mircea_popescu;cazalla you aware that pastie ends in sex ?
981351;1421555563;decimation;asciilifeform: verizon 'fios'?
981352;1421555570;asciilifeform;decimation: aha. the very same
981353;1421555574;undata;asciilifeform: I'd not mind if you hurried up making a computer that works for me :D
981354;1421555575;asciilifeform;ubiquitous on u.s. east coast
981355;1421555582;decimation;did you ask him who had to pay for the backup UPS
981356;1421555589;asciilifeform;which ups
981357;1421555595;asciilifeform;there's two, theirs & yours
981358;1421555603;cazalla;mircea_popescu, anything that's good, does
981359;1421555610;decimation;my understanding is that verzion 'gives' you an ups that you must maintain
981360;1421555613;asciilifeform;decimation: the customer-ended one comes with the box
981361;1421555614;asciilifeform;aha
981362;1421555628;decimation;right, but who replaces the inevitable dead battery?
981363;1421555635;asciilifeform;the subscriber
981364;1421555645;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 57750 @ 0.0004784 = 27.6276 BTC [+] {2} 
981365;1421555646;decimation;in the past, with copper, this was the phone company's responsibility
981366;1421555648;asciilifeform;when i got the building there wasn't even a battery.
981367;1421555673;asciilifeform;decimation: aha because there was no battery on subscriber premises in the copper era. unless he owned one.
981368;1421555679;decimation;precisely
981369;1421555698;asciilifeform;for what it's worth, i have the damned thing plugged into a monster 'liebert' doubleconverter along with the rest of the orchestra.
981370;1421555700;mircea_popescu;uh i never had this ? wut are you talking about ?!
981371;1421555707;decimation;I've heard that once verzion runs fiber to your premises, they typically take the time to rip out the old copper wire
981372;1421555711;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: large telco where i live.
981373;1421555719;mircea_popescu;ok but what battery ?
981374;1421555725;decimation;because they don't want to be held to 'common carrier' standards of common access and maintenance
981375;1421555726;asciilifeform;decimation: aha. there was a rat's nest of mangled copper when i got to it.
981376;1421555762;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: the particular telco's optical terminal chest comes with a battery. and lusers whine interminably that 'why do i have to replace this battery every year, i w4ntz fr3333 stuff'
981377;1421555762;mircea_popescu;cazalla eh, i'd say let the noob be.
981378;1421555789;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform this is weird. in romania they keep the end battery on the pole next to you
981379;1421555802;mircea_popescu;it doesn't have to be ON THE EXACT END
981380;1421555833;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: here the pole also has a battery, for the telco routers. but the house optical chest has another. this is actually on account of an ancient law that proclaims that voice telephony must work during mains outages
981381;1421555836;mircea_popescu;and it's still illegal to fuck with the copper in yurp.
981382;1421555845;decimation;in the past, the copper wires were 'powered' by the telephone company in its central office
981383;1421555856;mircea_popescu;uh... voice over fiber ?!
981384;1421555862;asciilifeform;aha. for chumps.
981385;1421555870;mircea_popescu;lmao ok
981386;1421555874;cazalla;mircea_popescu, so i should just be more accepting of this idiocy? http://pastebin.com/iuwXWH1s
981387;1421555875;assbot;<Rozal> h  <Rozal> hi  <Rozal> i hate people who abuse the rating system  <Rozal - Pastebin.com ... ( http://bit.ly/1IQlDZ4 )
981388;1421555879;asciilifeform;well, for folks who still want land line
981389;1421555898;asciilifeform;once you switch to the opticals here, they - as decimation pointed out in this and the last 3 threads on the subject - tear out your copper.
981390;1421555902;mircea_popescu;cazalla i skimmed it. dude's begging you and errything. he's nobody i heard of, prolly some noob.
981391;1421555913;mircea_popescu;imo not wrth the bullets.
981392;1421555930;cazalla;but he has so many ratings from otc from all his $5 buys!
981393;1421555937;decimation;not for any technical reason, but because of the assorted pile of usg policy & requirements that apply to 'common carrier' services like telephone
981394;1421555940;mircea_popescu;let ppls live
981395;1421555961;cazalla;anyway, he came looking for me, not me him, just as easy to neg rate him and move on with it
981396;1421555966;mircea_popescu;decimation imo destroying the copper infrastructure is even dumber than destroying the family infrastructure.
981397;1421555971;mircea_popescu;transvestites aren't worth it.
981398;1421555996;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: on account of how it was built, it is tremendously expensive to maintain.
981399;1421555999;*;asciilifeform digs for thread
981400;1421556011;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 43750 @ 0.00047726 = 20.8801 BTC [-] {2} 
981401;1421556019;mircea_popescu;uh.
981402;1421556023;mircea_popescu;maintain copper ?!
981403;1421556031;mircea_popescu;which alternative universe is this!
981404;1421556035;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-05-2014#656215 and below
981405;1421556035;assbot;Logged on 02-05-2014 21:22:05; asciilifeform: copper is expensive - not merely the metal, but maintenance - keeping water out of the cable ducts, etc. the telcos would hurry to be rid of it even the removal did not speed the arrival of arsenet.
981406;1421556068;mircea_popescu;im pretty sure most landline infrastructure in eastern europe has never been maintained in any sense since at least 1985
981407;1421556074;mircea_popescu;think ny waterworks.
981408;1421556139;asciilifeform;funnily enough, ny land lines perished in a massive flood a few yrs ago.
981409;1421556144;asciilifeform;mostly replaced with monopoly fiber.
981410;1421556189;mircea_popescu;was that the one when they drenched the vaults ? lost ~10 trn worth of old paper ?
981411;1421556196;asciilifeform;the same.
981412;1421556215;decimation;re: family infrastructure: http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2014/12/22/less-than-half-of-u-s-kids-today-live-in-a-traditional-family/
981413;1421556217;assbot;Less than half of U.S. kids today live in a ‘traditional’ family  | Pew Research Center ... ( http://bit.ly/1IQn0H6 )
981414;1421556259;decimation;asciilifeform: actually I thought there were areas where they 'gave up' and decided not to rebuild any phone system
981415;1421556277;asciilifeform;decimation: if this is so, it is contrary to the ancient laws.
981416;1421556282;mircea_popescu;decimation i doubt they would meet my definition. things like "every boy under 16 must have 4 acres of forested hillside and a dog"
981417;1421556289;asciilifeform;in usa, telco is mandatory.
981418;1421556307;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform iirc it's one of those where existence is mandatory but no-one's responsibility. so...
981419;1421556343;asciilifeform;point is, most of the remaining copper could vanish overnight, and not one in ten people will notice.
981420;1421556351;asciilifeform;everyone is using mobiles.
981421;1421556354;decimation;http://www.theverge.com/2013/5/8/4308462/verizon-drops-traditional-telephone-service-after-hurricane-sandy-damage
981422;1421556355;assbot;Disaster, meet opportunity: Verizon's plan to push wireless on copper landline customers | The Verge ... ( http://bit.ly/1IQnsFx )
981423;1421556386;mircea_popescu;heh.
981424;1421556391;asciilifeform;it so happens that in usa, a landline phone is a spam magnet.
981425;1421556393;decimation;asciilifeform: there are at least two main reasons for this: 1.) it is illegal to 'telemarket' to mobile phones and 2.) landlines are billed at outrageous rates
981426;1421556395;mircea_popescu;"opportunity". anyone here seen les trotillards ?
981427;1421556398;asciilifeform;whereas a wireless handset, most of the time, is not
981428;1421556399;mircea_popescu;1950s film.
981429;1421556404;*;asciilifeform does not keep a landline
981430;1421556439;*;decimation had a landline for years, became enraged that a $2 per month service became $40 after taxes & fees
981431;1421556440;mircea_popescu;"famine is a disaster that opens the door to opportunity : you can swallow knots!"
981432;1421556483;decimation;!up sinetek
981433;1421556499;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11444 @ 0.00047709 = 5.4598 BTC [-]
981434;1421556605;mircea_popescu;http://36.media.tumblr.com/769eacecb4e2f3ef24158d768aea710f/tumblr_mixnuyf1yc1rigqazo1_500.jpg
981435;1421556606;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1IQonWs )
981436;1421556624;asciilifeform;http://www.spiegel.de/media/media-35661.pdf << the document concerning specific doctored firmware
981437;1421556626;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1IQotx8 )
981438;1421556704;decimation;\me wonders if lizzard hitler's purpose with these releases is simply to distribute digital contraband for later reckoning
981439;1421556714;asciilifeform;http://www.spiegel.de/media/media-35676.pdf << data exfiltration protocol implementation guide
981440;1421556716;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1IQoMrR )
981441;1421556717;asciilifeform;^ nazi ssl
981442;1421556751;asciilifeform;the rest can be safely skipped, mostly snore.
981443;1421556762;mircea_popescu;exfiltration protocol /
981444;1421556771;mircea_popescu;who the fuck woud be stupid enough to use a protocol for this job ?!
981445;1421556777;mircea_popescu;"virus protocol"
981446;1421556802;asciilifeform;what's funny. any good crapware artist has 'protocol' - as in, what order to put the bits in over the wire
981447;1421556813;mircea_popescu;yes. his.
981448;1421556819;mircea_popescu;he's not using yours.
981449;1421556828;asciilifeform;these folks have their own
981450;1421556830;mircea_popescu;that's actually the difference between artist and script kiddie.
981451;1421556841;mircea_popescu;yes, these folks are script kiddies.
981452;1421556862;mircea_popescu;that's basically the long and the short of it. nsa = national scriptkiddie association. a glorified derp club.
981453;1421556869;asciilifeform;actually reminds me more of microshit
981454;1421556881;asciilifeform;very similar flavour of product
981455;1421556894;kakobrekla;skriptkiddies in your gpg sigs messing with your keyid.
981456;1421556904;decimation;asciilifeform: what about the meta-nsa part?
981457;1421556927;mircea_popescu;davout: Apocalyptic: RFC 5.2.2 sez a signature packet contains "Eight-octet Key ID of signer" << seriously in shock/denial about this.
981458;1421556932;mircea_popescu;who the fucking fuck was dumb enough!
981459;1421556940;mircea_popescu;"oh we got fingerprints let's not use them"
981460;1421556987;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5700 @ 0.00047677 = 2.7176 BTC [-]
981461;1421557008;PeterL;might as well put their initials instead of signing their name
981462;1421557022;mircea_popescu;you know ?
981463;1421557028;decimation;http://www.theregister.co.uk/2015/01/17/vc_investment_hits_dotcom_boom_levels/ << annual silly-con valley vc funding is less than a single whatsapp
981464;1421557029;assbot;Venture Capital investment in Silicon Valley hits dot-com boom levels • The Register     ... ( http://bit.ly/1IQpMME )
981465;1421557031;mircea_popescu;in a fucking rfc ? /me rants and raves
981466;1421557052;mircea_popescu;decimation yes but a single watsapp "could buy all of russia".
981467;1421557053;PeterL;let me sign this important legal documet: "X"
981468;1421557084;mircea_popescu;PeterL no, that's not right.
981469;1421557087;mircea_popescu;;;calc 2**24
981470;1421557088;gribble;16777216
981471;1421557104;mircea_popescu;there's 16mn people that could all be the same keyid.
981472;1421557113;PeterL;yeah, I know it is not quite the same thing
981473;1421557116;mircea_popescu;so initials moar like it
981474;1421557139;mircea_popescu;i guess most initial combos have about 10ish mn possible representatives.
981475;1421557152;mircea_popescu;on the grounds that
981476;1421557167;mircea_popescu;;;calc 7.5*10**9 / 27 / 27
981477;1421557168;gribble;10288065.8436
981478;1421557240;asciilifeform;http://www.loper-os.org/pub/lulz/lulz.html << for pdf haters
981479;1421557241;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1IQqx8l )
981480;1421557250;asciilifeform;(yes, it was a scan)
981481;1421557268;mircea_popescu;top secret from wikiinfo ?
981482;1421557276;asciilifeform;from spiegel
981483;1421557295;asciilifeform;late last night.
981484;1421557350;asciilifeform;if it's a fake, it's a very stylish fake.
981485;1421557377;mircea_popescu;"good hearing for some work" heh.
981486;1421557380;asciilifeform;having worked on own versions of many of the gadgets described, i will attest that there is nothing outlandish about any of them.
981487;1421557394;mircea_popescu;srsly ? they SRSLY use sound spectroscopy ?
981488;1421557405;asciilifeform;why the hell not ?
981489;1421557425;mircea_popescu;i dunno. because it's not 1915 ?
981490;1421557454;asciilifeform;!s acoustic cryptanalysis
981491;1421557455;assbot;0 results for 'acoustic cryptanalysis' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=acoustic+cryptanalysis
981492;1421557473;asciilifeform;http://www.tau.ac.il/~tromer/papers/acoustic-20131218.pdf
981493;1421557479;mircea_popescu;heh.
981494;1421557479;asciilifeform;you know, that one.
981495;1421557486;asciilifeform;we chewed on it here, i'm quite certain.
981496;1421557487;asciilifeform;!s inductors
981497;1421557488;assbot;14 results for 'inductors' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=inductors
981498;1421557491;asciilifeform;there we go.
981499;1421557550;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform definitely stylish. enhancment ?
981500;1421557565;asciilifeform;enhancement ?
981501;1421557590;decimation;one wonders how much of that list is simply parlor tricks vs. 'fired in anger'
981502;1421557606;asciilifeform;decimation: it's an office agenda. not an advertisement.
981503;1421557610;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform typo included.
981504;1421557612;asciilifeform;unless, of course, it is an advertisement.
981505;1421557616;mircea_popescu;"berserkr" does not support wireless cards ?
981506;1421557668;decimation;the implication of your statement being that the office even has a coherent agenda
981507;1421557718;mircea_popescu;anyway. unimpressive.
981508;1421557721;asciilifeform;this is the first document where i'm nearly convince that it isn't a hangout.
981509;1421557729;mircea_popescu;if authentic this is rather humiliatory.
981510;1421557769;decimation;what do you expect? frickin' lasers?
981511;1421557798;mircea_popescu;dude, they're selling themselves as something more than "zack & miri make an agency"
981512;1421557805;asciilifeform;remember, this isn't from the cracking-pgp division
981513;1421557813;PeterL;sharks, with frickin lazer beams attached to their heads
981514;1421557813;asciilifeform;but from the pc-diddler brigade.
981515;1421557815;mircea_popescu;and they are teh premier unemployable math grad student cemetery.
981516;1421557825;asciilifeform;nothing has leaked from that maths grad cemetery.
981517;1421557827;asciilifeform;afaik.
981518;1421557832;asciilifeform;not one napkin sketch.
981519;1421557832;decimation;asciilifeform: wonder why?
981520;1421557845;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 49700 @ 0.00047436 = 23.5757 BTC [-] {3} 
981521;1421557845;mircea_popescu;cause it was all writen in malbolge
981522;1421557913;asciilifeform;it is very easy to keep a secret which 100 people alive can appreciate the significance of.
981523;1421557922;asciilifeform;how many would recognize an 'rsa pill' if saw.
981524;1421557947;mircea_popescu;depends. would it be called DERPYCASTLE ?
981525;1421557956;asciilifeform;SORESTARFISH
981526;1421557959;mircea_popescu;NIBBLEBASKET ?
981527;1421557967;mircea_popescu;OFFICECHAIR
981528;1421557971;decimation;JERKCIRCLE
981529;1421557983;mircea_popescu;ANGRYPEANUT
981530;1421558009;mircea_popescu;leveraging MYBOSSISDUMB and HISWIFESASLUT
981531;1421558058;decimation;asciilifeform: of course, said 'pill' couldn't have been 'fired in anger' either?   don't need higher math to understand the implications
981532;1421558100;mircea_popescu;decimation i think he had in mind something like https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rsyJX3sESjs
981533;1421558102;assbot;Animaniacs - The ACME Song - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1IQuoT4 )
981534;1421558106;asciilifeform;not without seven oceans' worth of parallelconstructiony-plausibledeniability
981535;1421558107;asciilifeform;etc
981536;1421558210;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35127 @ 0.00046975 = 16.5009 BTC [-] {2} 
981537;1421558264;Adlai;SQUEAMISHOSSIFRAGE
981538;1421558271;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27900 @ 0.00047689 = 13.3052 BTC [+] {2} 
981539;1421558275;mircea_popescu;lol
981540;1421558321;Adlai;congratulations on replacing the WoT's centralized point of failure with another centralized point of failure!
981541;1421558330;mircea_popescu;Adlai no they're supposed to work in tandem.,
981542;1421558349;Adlai;dunno, i authed with gribble as usual, then messaged assbot !up, and had to auth with him as well
981543;1421558369;Adlai;(this is why my joke came three minutes late)
981544;1421558381;mircea_popescu;Adlai that's the idea. looky here : gribble/wot was created a few years ago,. when btc was worth nothing and nobody bothered distinguishing between taaki and gavin.
981545;1421558391;mircea_popescu;then bitcoin became more valuable than all of san francisco combined
981546;1421558411;mircea_popescu;nanotube's idea was to re-create the wot as a p2p thing of sorts, and he's been working at it for a while, but hey. it's hard.
981547;1421558421;mircea_popescu;my idea was to simply network a bunch of centralised gribbles.
981548;1421558425;mircea_popescu;it seems to be winning out.
981549;1421558444;Adlai;won't gossipd mitigate this to some extent?
981550;1421558449;cazalla;!up felipelalli
981551;1421558452;mircea_popescu;"this" ?
981552;1421558484;Adlai;using a wot to reduce spam/noise
981553;1421558500;mircea_popescu;well, once completed gossipd actually is a fully decentralized wot keeper, sure.
981554;1421558539;Adlai;maybe you should've called it cssipd
981555;1421558554;mircea_popescu;lol whay ?
981556;1421558565;Adlai;it's subtle but you'll get it eventually :)
981557;1421558574;*;asciilifeform got immediately
981558;1421558592;mircea_popescu;;/
981559;1421558597;*;mircea_popescu feels all left out
981560;1421558597;felipelalli;qntra.net for me is the more serious and reliable source of information about bitcoin nowdays, there is something similar?
981561;1421558612;mircea_popescu;felipelalli nope, it's centralised :)
981562;1421558639;felipelalli;mircea_popescu: thank you! :)
981563;1421558646;Adlai;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-01-2015#979667
981564;1421558646;assbot;Logged on 16-01-2015 23:35:28; mircea_popescu: that pretty much means c - only you realise ?
981565;1421558674;mircea_popescu;nope
981566;1421558689;Adlai;go-ssipd
981567;1421558693;mircea_popescu;oh
981568;1421558698;mircea_popescu;lolk
981569;1421558711;Adlai;don't rum and logs
981570;1421558711;mircea_popescu;i wasn't probably ever cing to get it.
981571;1421558729;Adlai;:D
981572;1421558804;Adlai;btcmiami is a disappointment, we were robbed of our chance to hear the great garza speak
981573;1421558820;*;Adlai consoled himself by asking the nice salespeople at the paybase booth whether he could point his mining hardware at zenpool
981574;1421558828;mircea_popescu;what's gavin dressed up as this time ? perianne boring ?
981575;1421558833;Adlai;he's not here
981576;1421558850;mircea_popescu;oh so he came dressed as a bfl miner ?
981577;1421558870;Adlai;hey now, bfl miners exist, i have one as a doorstop since it doesn't work anymore
981578;1421558908;mircea_popescu;solid.
981579;1421558970;Adlai;well the conf did yield one good thing, a new idiom: "bullshit bingo"
981580;1421559057;decimation;Adlai: had you ever been to miami before? how did it strike you?
981581;1421559058;hanbot;<mircea_popescu> i wasn't probably ever cing to get it. << you fucks, in five years nobody's going to be able to read the logs who hasn't been here for six lol
981582;1421559083;Adlai;hanbot: s/go/c/pls
981583;1421559083;mircea_popescu;lol keeping up is hard work!
981584;1421559095;Adlai;and they should be able to get it, the context is right there
981585;1421559106;asciilifeform;hanbot: now you know how maths students feel
981586;1421559113;Adlai;decimation: first time here. this may be the most touristy place i've ever visited
981587;1421559128;decimation;first time I went there it struck me as a shithole
981588;1421559130;mircea_popescu;coming from someone who lives in israel... that's pretty damning.
981589;1421559157;decimation;except for the tiny skin of civilization near the water, the city is a giant slum
981590;1421559158;mircea_popescu;whole country is essentially a "we were too cheap to actulaly build the disneyland but we're selling tickets to it anyway"
981591;1421559163;Adlai;not just israel, tel aviv. so SoBe be worse.
981592;1421559225;mircea_popescu;Adlai btw saw a sight today in ba jewish quarter. guy with proper astrakhan hat, plus two kids in full costume.
981593;1421559242;mircea_popescu;you know the ones where wearer looks like he's put a cake on his head ?
981594;1421559247;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14747 @ 0.00046904 = 6.9169 BTC [-]
981595;1421559294;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: the ru sheepskin hat ?
981596;1421559306;mircea_popescu;http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-aQEsmgFbRog/T0D0DIfe8uI/AAAAAAAAADg/7yc77Dudsyk/s1600/Orthodox+Jew+wearing+a+shtreimel+Photo+Boaz+Gabriel+Canhoto.JPG << teh shtreimel
981597;1421559307;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1IQzajh )
981598;1421559332;asciilifeform;lol, ru hat that took a disintegrator blast to the top.
981599;1421559435;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform iirc my history, the thing was actually invented by volga tatars
981600;1421559676;asciilifeform;woah, according to pediwik, hat sells for 1-5k usd.
981601;1421559693;decimation;look out for dengue fever in miami http://miami.cbslocal.com/2014/09/12/3-new-cases-of-dengue-fever-in-miami-dade/
981602;1421559695;assbot;3 New Cases Of Dengue Fever In Miami-Dade « CBS Miami ... ( http://bit.ly/1GdJfce )
981603;1421559695;mircea_popescu;depends. a proper fur one is more like 5-10k
981604;1421559699;asciilifeform;serious hat.
981605;1421559719;Adlai;in the (badly remembered, can't be bothered to watch all his youtube videos to find the exact) words of the great Pat Condell: "they'd rather the world returned to the stone age, aside from a brief excursion into seventeenth century poland for some clothes"
981606;1421559723;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform a proper russian hat is about there also. sable or w/e.
981607;1421559728;mircea_popescu;course plenty of rabbit, nutria etc.
981608;1421559759;*;asciilifeform has never worn or so much as touched a hat made from a rarer animal than rabbit
981609;1421559767;mircea_popescu;wow.
981610;1421559775;mircea_popescu;how about a woman dressed thus ?
981611;1421559789;Adlai;orthodox jewish women don't get to wear the fancy stuff
981612;1421559800;mircea_popescu;well orthodox jewish women are also fat.
981613;1421559807;Adlai;they have to cover up, although not as much as the cousins
981614;1421559813;asciilifeform;iirc, those wear... wigs ?
981615;1421559823;Adlai;they have these hideous hair covering things
981616;1421559824;mircea_popescu;anyway, this is to be tried. deck the nude chicks in fox, sable, hermeline, etc. wear blindfold. have fun.
981617;1421559859;mircea_popescu;expensive fur is expensive for very good reasons that can't really be grasped fully untill you rub your cock on it.
981618;1421559874;Adlai;!b 2
981619;1421559874;assbot;Last 2 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/3K8D26J.txt )
981620;1421559898;Adlai;we'll leave the zoophilic overtones as an exercise to the astute log-reader
981621;1421559916;*;asciilifeform wonders if 'furries' go in for rare furs
981622;1421559937;mircea_popescu;today we learn hermeline is actually stoats in english.
981623;1421559939;mircea_popescu;dumb name
981624;1421559944;decimation;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qRNlxBuB9jM
981625;1421559946;assbot;Hole in the sheet - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1IQBVkw )
981626;1421560028;asciilifeform;l0l!
981627;1421560090;asciilifeform;'i could celebrate -christmas- through that hole!'
981628;1421560103;decimation;hehe
981629;1421560201;mircea_popescu;bitch's a total antisemite.
981630;1421560260;mircea_popescu;!up aabtc
981631;1421560288;aabtc;brutal market lately
981632;1421560293;*;aabtc any opinions on this? http://www.coindesk.com/ibm-reveals-proof-concept-blockchain-powered-internet-things/
981633;1421560294;assbot;IBM Reveals Proof of Concept for Blockchain-Powered Internet of Things ... ( http://bit.ly/1GdJOTk )
981634;1421560345;asciilifeform;'those concerns �are being addressed� as Ethereum moves toward its planned launch sometime this year.'
981635;1421560347;mircea_popescu;a) ibm is a real estate agency ; b) proof of concept = vaporware ; c) buzzword-buzzword-something-buzzword.
981636;1421560358;Adlai;also, coindesk publish press releases as articles in return for money
981637;1421560359;asciilifeform;do we really need to read past 'ethereum' ?
981638;1421560387;Adlai;(not that most other "news" sites, on all topics, don't do this)
981639;1421560394;mircea_popescu;Adlai the worse part being that they're innocent enough to not know that's a dumb business model.
981640;1421560459;mircea_popescu;davout: "Implementations SHOULD NOT assume that Key IDs are unique", so let's just include that in the signature packet. derp << no, seriously.
981641;1421560464;mircea_popescu;such braindamage.
981642;1421560467;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 44623 @ 0.00048022 = 21.4289 BTC [+]
981643;1421560468;Adlai;seems to be working well for them so far, guy at the conference said that coindesk is a reliable news source so it must be
981644;1421560501;Adlai;("i use coindesk and zeroblock. the forums and reddit are good for laughs, but have lots of trolls and altcoins")
981645;1421560551;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform: original pgp was not an apparatus for one-off deals with strangers, but something to use between friends, as i understand. << what you say is accurate, but doesn't excuse. suppose i knock up a girl, and the blastule in her folds goes "hey, daddy's cock was crooked, so let's make the baby's cunt crooked too. nothing like baking in random assumptionbs for no good reason!"
981646;1421560568;asciilifeform;how could it excuse.
981647;1421560575;asciilifeform;was trying to explain the history.
981648;1421560580;mircea_popescu;Adlai guy at some other conference said ginzu knife.
981649;1421560587;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform yeh. im angry.
981650;1421560589;asciilifeform;bonsai attack.
981651;1421560595;asciilifeform;banzai tree.
981652;1421560609;Adlai;original btc was an experiment, doesn't excuse treating it as "just an experiment" nowadays
981653;1421560624;*;asciilifeform blows dust of personal collection of english illiteracies
981654;1421560630;asciilifeform;*off
981655;1421560911;mircea_popescu;davout: that doesn't make much sense to me, how would a maliciously crafted pubkey even verify the signature? << http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-01-2015#981108
981656;1421560911;assbot;Logged on 18-01-2015 00:22:17; mircea_popescu: https://evil32.com/examples.html for the innocents reading logs.
981657;1421561105;mircea_popescu;Adlai now it's a thousand different experiments.
981658;1421561160;mircea_popescu;undata: because terrorists can't find an old copy of gpg? << gun laws aren't predicated on the theory that criminals can't find a gun.
981659;1421561199;mircea_popescu;they're predicated on the theory that ustardian faggots really enjoy the feeling of a stretched rectum, and politicians are essentially whores : in the business of pleasing the customer with the least possible effort.
981660;1421561224;Adlai;another quote from miami: "bitcoin is the only technology with a price feed". me: "bullshit, bitcoin has no price feed, although each person in this room has their own slightly differing one"
981661;1421561243;*;asciilifeform recalls reading an article long ago re: how crypto actually enjoyed greater legal protection in usa back when it was classified as a weapon of war
981662;1421561244;mircea_popescu;"decentralize dprice feed, even better"
981663;1421561246;undata;mircea_popescu: the unending theatre can be maddening
981664;1421561250;mircea_popescu;"yes but apple actually has a price feed"
981665;1421561256;mircea_popescu;"apple is not a technology, apple is a vision"
981666;1421561260;mircea_popescu;"your mother is a whore"
981667;1421561265;Adlai;(this was in a comparison of bitcoin to tcp/ip or smtp... "you can't short SMTP when your inbox takes forever to load"
981668;1421561268;mircea_popescu;Adlai check it out, i can do the conference solo!
981669;1421561306;mircea_popescu;people this stupid should really be put to some sort of use.
981670;1421561312;mircea_popescu;maybe send them as teachers to china ?
981671;1421561331;Adlai;http://www.righto.com/2014/09/mining-bitcoin-with-pencil-and-paper.html
981672;1421561332;assbot;Ken Shirriff's blog: Mining Bitcoin with pencil and paper: 0.67 hashes per day ... ( http://bit.ly/1IQHJuC )
981673;1421561345;kakobrekla;re conference , im disappointed to find out chief scammer did not show up
981674;1421561348;mircea_popescu;check it out asciilifeform , one step closer to slavecoin
981675;1421561349;Adlai;he showed up
981676;1421561360;mircea_popescu;did you just map a keid you two ?
981677;1421561367;Adlai;just didn't have a presentation
981678;1421561374;Adlai;he's here along with lady and the goons
981679;1421561381;kakobrekla;ah
981680;1421561404;mircea_popescu;Adlai wait, garza dood has a woman in tow ? pics ?
981681;1421561407;Adlai;at first i was so glad, "ah, some diversity in the conference patrons!"
981682;1421561414;Adlai;and then i recognized his hairdo
981683;1421561423;Adlai;and realized the roles of his entourage
981684;1421561435;Adlai;phone died, no pics. maybe tomorrow.
981685;1421561473;mircea_popescu;well, be a perez hilton.
981686;1421561496;mircea_popescu;how tall is she ? cup size ? natural ? cheap dress ? tall enough heels ? can she walk on em ?
981687;1421561512;Adlai;i'm pretty sure there are pics of his family on reddit, probably posted by some angsty idiot after realizing he'd never get his hashpoints back
981688;1421561564;mircea_popescu;http://jeffgarza.blogspot.com.ar/2008/05/my-swimmer-wife.html ?
981689;1421561565;assbot;Jeff Garza :  Worship Minister, 1st Baptist of Worland, Wyoming: My Swimmer Wife! ... ( http://bit.ly/1IQIFix )
981690;1421561581;mircea_popescu;"I am so proud of my wife Sandra! She is such a hard working women!"
981691;1421561590;mircea_popescu;plural!
981692;1421561614;Adlai;hmmmmmmmm that sandra does not look like the lady i saw with him
981693;1421561635;Adlai;but money does wonderful things, like surgery for the lady AND the mistress!
981694;1421561646;kakobrekla;wtf is that page real world ?
981695;1421561656;Adlai;no its internet
981696;1421561666;mircea_popescu;kakobrekla you don't understand how the baptist worlkd works!
981697;1421561692;kakobrekla;the more i know the less i understand
981698;1421561693;mircea_popescu;http://a9.vietbao.vn/images/vn955/bong-da/55216480-1233794079-Carmella_garcia_15.jpg ?
981699;1421561695;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1IQJgAN )
981700;1421561732;Adlai;wait
981701;1421561767;Adlai;genius at work is not "jeff garza", unless he's another one of these namechanging shapeshifters
981702;1421561793;Adlai;but if you're gonna pick a new scammername, why take "josh"? that one is already taken...
981703;1421561832;mircea_popescu;heh
981704;1421562216;mircea_popescu;in other news, http://41.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_mdp651OV2N1rg712do1_500.jpg
981705;1421562218;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1IQLosj )
981706;1421562224;mircea_popescu;it was a pleasant spring day in argentina.
981707;1421562240;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: reminds me of the anthill scene in baldaev.
981708;1421562251;mircea_popescu;a little water ?
981709;1421562253;mircea_popescu;it's good for her.
981710;1421562256;asciilifeform;lol
981711;1421562264;asciilifeform;http://trilema.com/2014/how-the-other-half-lives-or-michael-o-church-is-a-scummy-fuckwit/#comment-111514 << wtf was this about
981712;1421562265;assbot;How the other half lives, or Michael O. Church is a scummy fuckwit pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.  ... ( http://bit.ly/1IQLxvL )
981713;1421562292;asciilifeform;'different perceptions of gender' ?
981714;1421562294;mircea_popescu;clearly.
981715;1421562311;asciilifeform;where found, in insane asylum ?
981716;1421562338;mircea_popescu;http://collarspace.com/details.asp?px=sweetheartslave&bhcp=1
981717;1421562340;assbot;Hi! I just turned 18 in February and am really excited to be getting to try new things ^_^ I'm ... ( http://bit.ly/1IQLTma )
981718;1421562362;mircea_popescu;i give you even money she's contributing to open source projects, doing his/their substitutions.
981719;1421562374;asciilifeform;lol, us gurl with this haircut, even i could have guessed
981720;1421562382;asciilifeform;it's almost required.
981721;1421562395;mircea_popescu;speaking of which, i'm kinda waiting for the moment when broken code is defended as "different perceptions of software". why should it fixed ? it's not a bug, it's a rights issue!
981722;1421562403;asciilifeform;no need to wait!
981723;1421562407;asciilifeform;poettering et. al
981724;1421562439;asciilifeform;didn't somebody link to a post of this very same argument, written by a blind man (yes) in that gang ?
981725;1421562528;asciilifeform;and,
981726;1421562530;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform the misshapen face seems more concerning. haircut easy to fix, buzzcut still required for moloday a
981727;1421562535;asciilifeform;if only these folks stuck to diddling comments
981728;1421562571;asciilifeform;easy to fix, sure, but when acquired voluntarily it is usually a flag of affiliation
981729;1421562597;mircea_popescu;teenager's affiliation is worth about the same governmental promises are worth.
981730;1421562600;asciilifeform;of the 'i hate boys' variety
981731;1421562603;mircea_popescu;about as fun to fuck out of them, too.
981732;1421562613;asciilifeform;work for specialist.
981733;1421562822;mircea_popescu;kinda funny as to what counts to insults these days.
981734;1421563318;mircea_popescu;a new cocktail: taint. http://40.media.tumblr.com/e704023cffe32165d77f316642444a2e/tumblr_mgvjxbP5V71rfc12eo1_500.jpg
981735;1421563319;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1IQPErJ )
981736;1421563322;mircea_popescu;shaken, not stirred.
981737;1421565408;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 56050 @ 0.00046933 = 26.3059 BTC [-] {2} 
981738;1421565732;mircea_popescu;!up MetatronOne
981739;1421566714;pete_dushenski;http://www.contravex.com/2015/01/17/spending-all-your-time-figuring-out-what-kind-of-ism-you-and-your-friends-believe-in-so-that-you-can-call-each-other-whatever-ists-is-no-way-to-improve-the-world/
981740;1421566715;assbot;Spending all your time figuring out what kind of “-ism” you and your friends believe in so that you can call each other “whatever-ists” is no way to improve the world. | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski ... ( http://bit.ly/1IR2fv3 )
981741;1421566741;mircea_popescu;lol complicate
981742;1421566742;mircea_popescu;d
981743;1421567232;pete_dushenski;ha well these neoreactionist kids are pretty darn confused so it'd be a fair reflection of that
981744;1421567275;mircea_popescu;wait neoreactionist ? which one is that ?
981745;1421567361;pete_dushenski;they're sorta like libertarianists
981746;1421567375;pete_dushenski;they don't much care for progressives or equality
981747;1421567392;mircea_popescu;anything positive ?
981748;1421567397;pete_dushenski;and they dislike democracy and like heirarchy
981749;1421567457;mircea_popescu;so like us only different ?
981750;1421567536;pete_dushenski;like us with no interest or understanding in the workings of power, economics, or politics
981751;1421567545;pete_dushenski;like us but americanly utopian
981752;1421567558;pete_dushenski;"neoreaction is a specific discovery of the arrow of time, within the field of political philosophy. It learns, and then teaches, that the way to get out cannot be the way we got in."
981753;1421567569;mircea_popescu;uh
981754;1421567578;pete_dushenski;^more tawky, less do-ey
981755;1421567607;pete_dushenski;basically, they don't work from causes too well
981756;1421567627;mircea_popescu;well the quote salad certainly doesn't seem to mean anything
981757;1421567710;pete_dushenski;i spent a bit of time trying to grok them since they came across my desk this week and it's really quite challenging to find much positive in their thinking
981758;1421567744;pete_dushenski;but some of them seem to enjoy contravex so there's that
981759;1421567760;ben_vulpes;evening, pete_dushenski
981760;1421567771;mircea_popescu;well, by now more brands than people, so... not to worry.
981761;1421567799;pete_dushenski;howdy ben_vulpes
981762;1421567805;ben_vulpes;ca va?
981763;1421567821;ben_vulpes;how's biz?
981764;1421567824;pete_dushenski;bien sur :)
981765;1421567843;pete_dushenski;mircea_popescu the number of brands these kids have is... shocking
981766;1421567854;pete_dushenski;apparently there's even something called neocameralism
981767;1421567863;pete_dushenski;which ended up on moldbug's lap
981768;1421567881;mircea_popescu;derived from that popular book on "cameral mind" ?
981769;1421567881;pete_dushenski;so i was recapping your old pieces on the matter
981770;1421567899;mircea_popescu;or parliamentary procedure this or the toher
981771;1421567901;ben_vulpes;pete_dushenski: have you read jaynes' original?
981772;1421567910;pete_dushenski;ben_vulpes biz is going well. would be better with van ads ;)
981773;1421567928;ben_vulpes;haw, ain't no money in advertisements.
981774;1421567953;ben_vulpes;silly-con valley chumpatron con ojos
981775;1421567980;ben_vulpes;biz biz tho - how is it? buy any bonds?
981776;1421568028;pete_dushenski;mircea_popescu good freaking question! maybe this http://unqualified-reservations.blogspot.com/2007/12/neocameralism-and-escalator-of.html ?
981777;1421568030;assbot;Unqualified Reservations: Neocameralism and the escalator of massarchy ... ( http://bit.ly/1IR7vyB )
981778;1421568054;pete_dushenski;ben_vulpes nah, not really into that fiat thing, was really more just curious how easy/hard it'd be,
981779;1421568068;pete_dushenski;was hunting for an etf or fund, came up blank
981780;1421568076;mircea_popescu;massarchy ?
981781;1421568083;ben_vulpes;just out of curiosity, how do you procure bezzlebuxx?
981782;1421568108;pete_dushenski;massive monarchy!
981783;1421568121;pete_dushenski;massage anarchy!
981784;1421568161;pete_dushenski;ben_vulpes the bare minimum
981785;1421568201;pete_dushenski;rounding corners and squeezing opportunities, to be as vague as humanly possible
981786;1421568227;pete_dushenski;i don't have a single stream, but many
981787;1421568280;ben_vulpes;classic joo :P
981788;1421568305;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes my guess is either he's running a high end brothel out of the preppy sluts he grew up with, or else he's living off teh fambly fortune.
981789;1421568326;ben_vulpes;my bet is that the cars blog poops out the odd benjamine
981790;1421568334;ben_vulpes;(that's what they call it in french canada, right?)
981791;1421568365;mircea_popescu;cars blog ?!
981792;1421568365;pete_dushenski;poop?
981793;1421568369;pete_dushenski;ya, we use that
981794;1421568372;ben_vulpes;!b 5
981795;1421568373;assbot;Last 5 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/390WKYC.txt )
981796;1421568385;pete_dushenski;car blog has actually been retired!
981797;1421568401;ben_vulpes;no wai
981798;1421568408;ben_vulpes;you'll offend mircea_popescu's linkrot sensibilities
981799;1421568408;pete_dushenski;for cereal
981800;1421568440;pete_dushenski;uh well... i can bring it back?
981801;1421568441;mircea_popescu;;;google pete dushenski car blog
981802;1421568442;gribble;The Wallet Inspector's Promise | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski: <http://www.contravex.com/2014/02/27/the-wallet-inspectors-promise/>; Why It's Over For Litecoin | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski: <http://www.contravex.com/2014/06/17/why-its-over-for-litecoin/>; Adding Value To Bitcoin | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski: <http://www.contravex.com/2014/10/21/adding- (1 more message)
981803;1421568451;mircea_popescu;never happened.
981804;1421568458;ben_vulpes;naw, your intel's rotten.
981805;1421568470;pete_dushenski;if your intel is google
981806;1421568488;mircea_popescu;lalala i cnat hear you
981807;1421568499;ben_vulpes;or spell either
981808;1421568561;pete_dushenski;the car blog paid more in experiences anyways
981809;1421568564;ben_vulpes;<mircea_popescu> [] http://36.media.tumblr.com/769eacecb4e2f3ef24158d768aea710f/tumblr_mixnuyf1yc1rigqazo1_500.jpg << nice freckles
981810;1421568564;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1KTfvRM )
981811;1421568569;pete_dushenski;it was always a hobby
981812;1421568595;pete_dushenski;fly here, drive that, etc.
981813;1421568595;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes yeah she's a cutie.
981814;1421568606;mircea_popescu;incidentally. in romanian cutie = box.
981815;1421568612;ben_vulpes;till you got kicked off the circuit lol
981816;1421568646;pete_dushenski;plus, i sorta got myself banned from a few press fleets after failing to tow the party line..
981817;1421568655;pete_dushenski;lol right
981818;1421568660;ben_vulpes;mhm.
981819;1421568680;ben_vulpes;but hey "tow the party line" at least you got a decent pun out of it
981820;1421568682;pete_dushenski;and now, who's gonna give contravex anything?
981821;1421568701;pete_dushenski;mebbe yellen gives me a foot rub ?
981822;1421568707;ben_vulpes;at least you're not stooping so far as to toe the clutch
981823;1421568712;mircea_popescu;lmao
981824;1421568750;pete_dushenski;towing is big here: truck country
981825;1421568768;pete_dushenski;i tell you it kills at the local comedy club!
981826;1421568773;ben_vulpes;<decimation> [] http://www.theregister.co.uk/2015/01/17/vc_investment_hits_dotcom_boom_levels/ << annual silly-con valley vc funding is less than a single whatsapp
981827;1421568774;assbot;Venture Capital investment in Silicon Valley hits dot-com boom levels • The Register     ... ( http://bit.ly/1KTfJZ1 )
981828;1421568774;ben_vulpes;<assbot> [] Venture Capital investment in Silicon Valley hits dot-com boom levels • The Register     ... ( http://bit.ly/1IQpMME ) << task for eager student: calculate ROI for each VC firm based on known investments and exits
981829;1421568775;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1KTfJZa )
981830;1421568789;pete_dushenski;deja vu ?
981831;1421568793;ben_vulpes;easymoad: just use crunchbase, propose a decent discount factor
981832;1421568806;pete_dushenski;o nm
981833;1421568832;pete_dushenski;i confuse!
981834;1421568845;pete_dushenski;but we're neoreactionaries! we never exit!
981835;1421568860;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes better task : a dead pool / fucked company blog & stuff
981836;1421568863;ben_vulpes;"exit" acquisition/IPO value
981837;1421568881;pete_dushenski;"Neoreactionary socio-political solutions are ultimately Exit-based. In every case, exit is to be defended against voice. No society or social institution which permits free exit is open to any further politically efficient criticism, except that which systematic exit selection itself applies. Given the absence of tyranny (i.e. free exit), all forms of protest and rebellion are to be
981838;1421568881;pete_dushenski; considered leftist perversions, without entitlement to social protection of any kind." << i can't make this shit up
981839;1421568882;ben_vulpes;a new fucked company presumes someone who can "write" scathing..."blog posts"
981840;1421568906;ben_vulpes;qntra's the great white hopi afaict
981841;1421568987;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes jus' sayin for the log reader.
981842;1421569002;mircea_popescu;pete_dushenski that is actually a valid point. certainly what i've been doing / saying.
981843;1421569055;pete_dushenski;hmm
981844;1421569106;mircea_popescu;take a simple example. "dude, get out of the us." "no, i'm going to write my senator."
981845;1421569154;punkman;ben_vulpes: http://www.seed-db.com/accelerators
981846;1421569159;assbot;Seed-DB | List of Seed Accelerator Programs ... ( http://bit.ly/1KTgcKS )
981847;1421569159;pete_dushenski;lol right
981848;1421569165;ben_vulpes;<asciilifeform> [] not without seven oceans' worth of parallelconstructiony-plausibledeniability << what was that apocryphal "nazi" dropped out of the plain with "papers" again?
981849;1421569183;ben_vulpes;punkman: make it stahp
981850;1421569186;ben_vulpes;okay jokesrs time
981851;1421569200;ben_vulpes;the shop is considering entering a local "hackathon"
981852;1421569202;pete_dushenski;mircea_popescu basically, ignore the current institutions and their pretenses at anything, develop a new system exterior to it
981853;1421569208;ben_vulpes;(and by the shop i mean me and 51%)
981854;1421569216;mircea_popescu;pete_dushenski pretty much.
981855;1421569232;mircea_popescu;http://trilema.com/2014/how-to-deal-with-pseudoscience/ sort of thing
981856;1421569232;assbot;How to deal with pseudoscience ? pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.  ... ( http://bit.ly/1KTgi58 )
981857;1421569232;pete_dushenski;and if you don't like it gtfu
981858;1421569244;pete_dushenski;mya
981859;1421569247;ben_vulpes;notion being: show up; don't pitch; build hilaribad thing; present like seasoned shartup pros; clean up
981860;1421569266;mircea_popescu;also all that talk about unsheating your own conscience / not constructing your mental process as a reaction to bs / etc.
981861;1421569273;mircea_popescu;it's a lengthy thread with many branches
981862;1421569276;ben_vulpes;problem being nobody involved can figure if anyone involved with the charade will actually increase deal surface area
981863;1421569309;ben_vulpes;(in weird metaphor where shop has tentacles in gulf stream of deal flow)
981864;1421569346;mircea_popescu;waitwut
981865;1421569357;ben_vulpes;<mircea_popescu> [] Adlai that's the idea. looky here : gribble/wot was created a few years ago,. when btc was worth nothing and nobody bothered distinguishing between taaki and gavin. << oh we're distinguishing between taaki and gavin nao
981866;1421569366;pete_dushenski;mircea_popescu "all that talk" << whose ?
981867;1421569387;ben_vulpes;mircea_popescu: show up at amateur hour, crush competition with "fart app", accrue reputation points to drive dealflow.
981868;1421569395;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes sure. one's mentally retarded. the other's nefarious.
981869;1421569411;mircea_popescu;pete_dushenski mine. asciilifeform's. it's all over.
981870;1421569425;ben_vulpes;mircea_popescu: we can't tell if the nefarious plan is retarded though.
981871;1421569472;mircea_popescu;yes, the mosquito and the gnat are both bugs.
981872;1421569514;mircea_popescu;and they both get killed. one tries to live off it tho. the other's just dumb.
981873;1421569526;pete_dushenski;ben_vulpes no pitch ? how does that make sense ?
981874;1421569537;ben_vulpes;mircea_popescu: hey man this is america, land of the scam.
981875;1421569542;ben_vulpes;have you learned nothing from clements?!
981876;1421569585;ben_vulpes;pete_dushenski: well the common pattern is "show up! recruit t34m! build thinger and or slideshow depending on what your idiots can muster!"
981877;1421569596;pete_dushenski;mircea_popescu well ty for explaining :)
981878;1421569596;mircea_popescu;basically he's just getting laid
981879;1421569599;mircea_popescu;in a platonic sense
981880;1421569599;punkman;ben_vulpes, what kind of company is running it?
981881;1421569615;ben_vulpes;notion is to skip recruitment phase and just go directly to winning "competition" for arcane local rep
981882;1421569619;ben_vulpes;punkman: mine.
981883;1421569630;pete_dushenski;the "exit" terminology threw me off a bit but i certainly subscribe to the approach
981884;1421569636;punkman;the hackathon?
981885;1421569641;ben_vulpes;oh.
981886;1421569651;ben_vulpes;dunno man, you know where i live.
981887;1421569665;ben_vulpes;local calendars are trivially trollable, in the fishing sense.
981888;1421569666;punkman;well don't go to random hobo's hackathon what's the point
981889;1421569678;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28950 @ 0.00047072 = 13.6273 BTC [+] {3} 
981890;1421569689;pete_dushenski;mebbe hobo only looks like hobo
981891;1421569692;mircea_popescu;so no hackathons ?
981892;1421569696;pete_dushenski;but is really grab master of cheese!
981893;1421569705;pete_dushenski;s/grab/grand
981894;1421569707;ben_vulpes;certainly smells funky
981895;1421569714;pete_dushenski;lol
981896;1421569726;ben_vulpes;grab asster, maybe
981897;1421569760;pete_dushenski;grab freckles
981898;1421569771;ben_vulpes;Adlai: coming to ars this spring?
981899;1421569776;ben_vulpes;pete_dushenski: coming to ars this spring?
981900;1421569787;mircea_popescu;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i2rqLYB-kx0
981901;1421569788;assbot;youtube poop:cow&chicken King and Queen of cheese unfinished - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1KTgQYT )
981902;1421569790;pete_dushenski;am not!
981903;1421569799;ben_vulpes;pete_dushenski: why u no!?
981904;1421569806;pete_dushenski;ben_vulpes friends just haaaad to get married that weekend
981905;1421569819;pete_dushenski;close friends too, too close
981906;1421569827;ben_vulpes;oh, your girl knows them huh
981907;1421569834;pete_dushenski;too close to miss their wedding at least
981908;1421569841;pete_dushenski;lol
981909;1421569852;pete_dushenski;we're all one big happy fambly :)
981910;1421569863;mircea_popescu;oh yeah which reminds me
981911;1421569866;mircea_popescu;$conference
981912;1421569867;ben_vulpes;have you boned the bride?
981913;1421569881;pete_dushenski;but i don't let them close to my fambly/harim money!
981914;1421569882;ben_vulpes;the fambly that fucks together...
981915;1421569901;pete_dushenski;drives a truck together?
981916;1421569905;ben_vulpes;to the gulag trucks together?
981917;1421569913;ben_vulpes;low hanging fruit lol
981918;1421569927;mircea_popescu;mebbe they're bonnet sisters.
981919;1421569936;pete_dushenski;mircea_popescu who was doing $conference bot again?
981920;1421569948;ben_vulpes;hue hue hue
981921;1421569965;mircea_popescu;(women that spent their adolescent years being fucked with their backs on the same car = bonnet sisters)
981922;1421569972;mircea_popescu;iirc FabianB
981923;1421569975;mircea_popescu;!up FabianB
981924;1421570016;ben_vulpes;I DON'T GET THE CEPHALAPOD JOKE
981925;1421570030;mircea_popescu;uh ?
981926;1421570082;mircea_popescu;neways, nn all!
981927;1421570085;ben_vulpes;<Adlai> [] maybe you should've called it cssipd
981928;1421570089;ben_vulpes;a wait its a c joke
981929;1421570090;pete_dushenski;cheers mp!
981930;1421570093;ben_vulpes;and i still dont get it
981931;1421570100;ben_vulpes;CESSPIT
981932;1421570120;pete_dushenski;of cooties
981933;1421570225;ben_vulpes;there've been a few bottles of wine, pete_dushenski
981934;1421570238;ben_vulpes;* asciilifeform [] has never worn or so much as touched a hat made from a rarer animal than rabbit << i cap out at elk
981935;1421570276;pete_dushenski;you celebrating a late orthodox christmas too ?
981936;1421570286;ben_vulpes;hm? no
981937;1421570298;ben_vulpes;christmas for me entails chinese food and skiing
981938;1421570313;pete_dushenski;skiing! this!
981939;1421570322;ben_vulpes;hm?
981940;1421570327;ben_vulpes;is this not the civilized sport?
981941;1421570343;pete_dushenski;lol of course it is
981942;1421570365;pete_dushenski;i was inelegantly saying that i too have spent a good number of christmas and boxings days on the slopes
981943;1421570373;pete_dushenski;:)
981944;1421570383;ben_vulpes;ah yeah
981945;1421570395;ben_vulpes;jewish christmas. 'tis a blessing.
981946;1421570418;pete_dushenski;chrismukkah, we actually had this
981947;1421570442;ben_vulpes;my parents tried to appease us with seven nights of tchotchkes
981948;1421570452;ben_vulpes;"FUCK THIS WHY AREN'T WE AT THE CABIN"
981949;1421570485;pete_dushenski;;;ud tchotchkes
981950;1421570487;gribble;http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Tchotchke | I'm going nuts with my mother's accumulation of tchotchkes - it's bad enough she never parted with one she got as a gift - but why did she have to buy more?
981951;1421570497;ben_vulpes;"no but channukah's not supposed to be a materialistic holiday, it's about murdering the roman--"
981952;1421570503;ben_vulpes;"I WANT TO SKI MOM"
981953;1421570524;pete_dushenski;"not until you've murdered your romans and finished your greens, benny"
981954;1421570553;ben_vulpes;my mom was actually one of those disappointed radicals from the sixties
981955;1421570575;ben_vulpes;"first, say 'all cops are filth', and then i'll consider taking us up the hill in the morning."
981956;1421570630;pete_dushenski;lmao
981957;1421570658;ben_vulpes;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gqG4oSfQYIY
981958;1421570659;assbot;George Mason University Green Machine plays Rage - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1KThSny )
981959;1421570806;ben_vulpes;<mircea_popescu> [] "apple is not a technology, apple is a vision" << oh jesus 51% sent me a bill to review in apple's proprietary spreadsheet format today
981960;1421570819;ben_vulpes;i'm still on 10.9, which has an outdated version of Pages
981961;1421570835;ben_vulpes;which cannot open "modern" "Pages" files
981962;1421570837;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2929 @ 0.00046904 = 1.3738 BTC [-]
981963;1421570866;pete_dushenski;time to get a personal computer for sanity and a work computer for insanity, neh?
981964;1421570882;ben_vulpes;i'm fighting iTunes' desire to back my phone up in triplicate (a 45GB project) to maintain a reasonably empty hdd
981965;1421570895;ben_vulpes;pete_dushenski: i'm not buying a non-Apple mobile computer
981966;1421570912;ben_vulpes;chassis buildout is unparalleled.
981967;1421570950;ben_vulpes;anyways, blew my stack on any number of fronts and then had to soothe 51% and myriad bystanders down.
981968;1421570999;pete_dushenski;hey i'm not about to come over there and make you do anything you don't wanna do
981969;1421571016;pete_dushenski;but just remember that in neoreactionary land, you can always exit
981970;1421571024;ben_vulpes;what are you running, windows on ferrari?
981971;1421571047;pete_dushenski;i keep them rolled down mostly
981972;1421571087;ben_vulpes;hang on i have to find the "my eyes rolled so far back they got stuck" emoji on this osxboard
981973;1421571093;pete_dushenski;i ran mac stuff, just not the latest
981974;1421571211;ben_vulpes;<mircea_popescu> [] in other news, http://41.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_mdp651OV2N1rg712do1_500.jpg << at first i was like "hrrrrrm supa suspect knots" and then i was like "o damn that's a bukkit of immabouttogetrealcold"
981975;1421571213;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1KTilGh )
981976;1421571358;ben_vulpes;<mircea_popescu> [] http://collarspace.com/details.asp?px=sweetheartslave&bhcp=1
981977;1421571359;assbot;Hi! I just turned 18 in February and am really excited to be getting to try new things ^_^ I'm ... ( http://bit.ly/1KTisSu )
981978;1421571359;ben_vulpes;<assbot> [] Hi! I just turned 18 in February and am really excited to be getting to try new things ^_^ I'm ... ( http://bit.ly/1IQLTma )
981979;1421571361;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1KTis4S )
981980;1421571361;ben_vulpes;<mircea_popescu> [] i give you even money she's contributing to open source projects, doing his/their substitutions. << "she"?
981981;1421571490;ben_vulpes;well pete_dushenski since it's just you and i...
981982;1421571501;ben_vulpes;gotta say sir
981983;1421571503;ben_vulpes;sleep well
981984;1421571510;pete_dushenski;we dance!
981985;1421571516;pete_dushenski;or just sleep
981986;1421571523;pete_dushenski;ya, i'm ready for shuteye too
981987;1421571525;pete_dushenski;bon soir!
981988;1421571530;ben_vulpes;i can't imagine you're much of a follower
981989;1421571550;pete_dushenski;not ballroom!
981990;1421571553;ben_vulpes;i'm a wee picky about dance partners
981991;1421571595;pete_dushenski;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UmpoC5gN_eA
981992;1421571597;assbot;Bottle Dancers Jewish dancers New York City - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1KTiDNF )
981993;1421571613;ben_vulpes;oh shit con4
981994;1421571619;pete_dushenski;you game or what ?
981995;1421571677;pete_dushenski;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MuOhe7VsIoE << haha and here's how!
981996;1421571679;assbot;How Do They Do That? In studio w/Goodspeed's Fiddler on the Roof - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1KTiJok )
981997;1421571682;ben_vulpes;homie i grew up on la fille mal garde
981998;1421571735;pete_dushenski;you're not too old to learn!
981999;1421571750;pete_dushenski;anyways, let's call it a night
982000;1421571839;ben_vulpes;tefillin and all?
982001;1421571850;ben_vulpes;i can bring mine
982002;1421571861;pete_dushenski;it's a date
982003;1421571869;ben_vulpes;i'll need more than a few days of practice
982004;1421571884;ben_vulpes;good excuse to show up a week early
982005;1421571885;pete_dushenski;we're lords, we've got nothing but time ;)
982006;1421571912;pete_dushenski;aite, well that's all she wrote for me
982007;1421571916;pete_dushenski;g'night ben
982008;1421571917;ben_vulpes;alternatively, come to portland this summer in your downtime
982009;1421571920;ben_vulpes;night pete
982010;1421572614;fluffypony;http://www.theregister.co.uk/2015/01/15/codeplex_repository_out_of_favour_as_microsoft_moves_major_projects_to_github/
982011;1421572615;assbot;Microsoft snubs Codeplex, moves big projects to GitHub • The Register     ... ( http://bit.ly/1ugd1lP )
982012;1421572626;fluffypony;M$ really has become a different beast
982013;1421573144;ben_vulpes;;;later tell pete_dushenski https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JshJMAnYHHo#t=1058
982014;1421573146;assbot;LA FILLE MAL GARDEE Mathilde Froustey Pierre Arthur Raveau - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1ugdvsb )
982015;1421573146;gribble;The operation succeeded.
982016;1421574070;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17100 @ 0.00046886 = 8.0175 BTC [-]
982017;1421574207;ben_vulpes;fluffypony: "It will be so worth it,” enthuses Uhlenhuth. << downright lovecraftian, this
982018;1421574221;fluffypony;lol
982019;1421574431;*;ben_vulpes just watched too much LFMGD, now must flop organs around hausbox
982020;1421574680;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 49800 @ 0.00046849 = 23.3308 BTC [-]
982021;1421576205;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 59213 @ 0.00046579 = 27.5808 BTC [-] {3} 
982022;1421576449;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 64650 @ 0.00045876 = 29.6588 BTC [-] {3} 
982023;1421576937;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25099 @ 0.00045472 = 11.413 BTC [-]
982024;1421577425;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 50400 @ 0.00044744 = 22.551 BTC [-] {2} 
982025;1421577547;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8200 @ 0.00044512 = 3.65 BTC [-]
982026;1421579133;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 72375 @ 0.00044338 = 32.0896 BTC [-] {3} 
982027;1421580658;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2736 @ 0.00044234 = 1.2102 BTC [-]
982028;1421580802;fluffypony;http://motherboard.vice.com/read/police-busted-the-darknet-shopper-bots-stash
982029;1421580803;assbot;Police Busted the 'Darknet Shopper' Bot's Stash | Motherboard ... ( http://bit.ly/1CnvOjL )
982030;1421580813;fluffypony;so basically when breaking the law, just claim that it's "art"
982031;1421580840;fluffypony;brb going to rob a jewellery store for a piece I'm showing at the end of the year
982032;1421580953;punkman;fluffypony: I liked it
982033;1421580983;punkman; “The police were there specifically because of the ecstasy. For us, it  is important that no one be able to get their hands on it.”
982034;1421581022;fluffypony;yeah I'm talking about the artist's reaction - "We believe that the confiscation is an unjustified intervention into freedom of art."
982035;1421581135;fluffypony;oh and Google finally killed off Glass (although I don't suspect they'll stop the research into wearables)
982036;1421581150;punkman;thing was kinda DoA
982037;1421581163;fluffypony;pity, I was really looking forward to looking like an absolute tool in public all while filming everyone
982038;1421581371;thestringpuller;we need da self driving cars first
982039;1421581493;punkman;older cars without wifi and assorted shitgnomery are gonna be valuable
982040;1421581804;punkman;https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comics_Code_Authority#1954_Code_criteria
982041;1421581806;assbot;Comics Code Authority - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ... ( http://bit.ly/1CnyE8n )
982042;1421581819;punkman;https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hays_Code#Don.27ts_and_Be_Carefuls
982043;1421581821;assbot;Motion Picture Production Code - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ... ( http://bit.ly/1CnyG02 )
982044;1421582536;punkman;http://thejumbuckisalmostextinct.com/2009/12/cookies-by-douglas-adams/
982045;1421582538;assbot;     ‘Cookies’ by Douglas Adams - Sam Cooney ... ( http://bit.ly/1ycab6w )
982046;1421582610;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21300 @ 0.0004487 = 9.5573 BTC [+]
982047;1421582973;punkman;https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B7j9ugJIUAE0Bmx.png:large
982048;1421582974;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1ycbi6j )
982049;1421583004;punkman;http://www.military-info.com/freebies/murphy.htm
982050;1421583005;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1ycbnqs )
982051;1421583891;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 38350 @ 0.0004487 = 17.2076 BTC [+]
982052;1421584379;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 39800 @ 0.00045567 = 18.1357 BTC [+] {3} 
982053;1421584745;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 36800 @ 0.00044758 = 16.4709 BTC [-]
982054;1421585721;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 81600 @ 0.00045535 = 37.1566 BTC [+] {3} 
982055;1421586819;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30350 @ 0.00044758 = 13.5841 BTC [-]
982056;1421586941;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10708 @ 0.00044234 = 4.7366 BTC [-]
982057;1421588100;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28617 @ 0.00043979 = 12.5855 BTC [-] {2} 
982058;1421588162;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24233 @ 0.00043183 = 10.4645 BTC [-]
982059;1421588405;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 8 @ 0.13 = 1.04 BTC [+]
982060;1421588466;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 50362 @ 0.00044674 = 22.4987 BTC [+] {2} 
982061;1421590113;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 58400 @ 0.00042984 = 25.1027 BTC [-] {2} 
982062;1421590586;*;Adlai actually got to use it once, since it's useless for selfies, which the glasshole required >> http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-01-2015#982035
982063;1421590586;assbot;Logged on 18-01-2015 11:38:55; fluffypony: oh and Google finally killed off Glass (although I don't suspect they'll stop the research into wearables)
982064;1421590662;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35600 @ 0.00043643 = 15.5369 BTC [+]
982065;1421591212;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 10 @ 0.1295 = 1.295 BTC [-]
982066;1421591638;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 10 @ 0.1295 = 1.295 BTC [-]
982067;1421594504;BingoBoingo;!up Zarathul
982068;1421594548;Zarathul;hi everyone, BingoBoingo thanks for the voice
982069;1421594618;Zarathul;I'm developing a lightweight MMORPG with crypto economy. and I'm looking for some feedback and alpha testers
982070;1421594707;Zarathul;we're going to do a common pool of winnings, for Bitcoin tipping/cash-outs, similar to Sarutobi
982071;1421594721;Zarathul;and we're working on making the in-game assets become crypto-assets
982072;1421594736;Zarathul;similar to what Lyth MMO does
982073;1421594752;Zarathul;hence, I thought this channel would be suitable to ask for feedback
982074;1421594793;Zarathul;anyone interested in taking a look? yes/no/maybe :)
982075;1421594872;danielpbarron;!gettrust Zarathul
982076;1421594872;assbot;Zarathul is not registered in WoT.
982077;1421594887;Zarathul;uhm, forgot to mention
982078;1421594893;Zarathul;I'm new to this channel
982079;1421594979;kakobrekla;hey there
982080;1421594992;Zarathul;hi
982081;1421595061;kakobrekla;;;google lyth mmo
982082;1421595062;gribble;Lyth, the Nxt MMO - Nxt Forum: <https://nxtforum.org/lith-the-nxt-mmo/>; [ANN] Lith - An Emergent Trading Game - Nxt Forum: <https://nxtforum.org/index.php?topic=611.0>; Lyth - Building an Emergent Trade Game on the Blockchain: <https://lythmmo.com/>
982083;1421595100;Zarathul;yes, we're familiar with what they're doing. I'm not sure we'll go too much in the sandbox direction
982084;1421595103;Zarathul;long story short
982085;1421595108;Zarathul;this is the game
982086;1421595118;*;kakobrekla has nfi what are they doing
982087;1421595143;Zarathul;oh
982088;1421595148;kakobrekla;anyway you should prolly check in with mircea & s.mg
982089;1421595172;kakobrekla;and while he isnt here, you can get registered in the wot or something
982090;1421595176;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25552 @ 0.00044414 = 11.3487 BTC [+] {2} 
982091;1421595176;Zarathul;yes, I've read the threads
982092;1421595182;danielpbarron;re what kako said: http://trilema.com/2013/its-called-eulora/
982093;1421595182;assbot;It's called Eulora pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.  ... ( http://bit.ly/1Aw9wdm )
982094;1421595190;Zarathul;yep
982095;1421595203;Zarathul;just haven't met him online
982096;1421595212;Zarathul;didn't get a chance to talk, looking fwd to it
982097;1421595213;Zarathul;anyway
982098;1421595222;Zarathul;http://takeover.to/ currently Open Alpha, there's no sign of crypto economy yet, testing pure gameplay
982099;1421595225;assbot;TakeOver - The World - a location-aware browser game ... ( http://bit.ly/1Aw9Ete )
982100;1421595237;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14048 @ 0.00045292 = 6.3626 BTC [+]
982101;1421595279;Zarathul;in the next major update, the yellow coins will be Satoshis, and the hexes will be crypto assets
982102;1421595285;kakobrekla;i wonder what will you do if anything with bots?
982103;1421595297;Zarathul;yeah, unsure :) it is an issue
982104;1421595310;Zarathul;but not a problem we've had yet, we're pretty early
982105;1421595341;Zarathul;so, there must be some game design workaround
982106;1421595343;kakobrekla;myea the 1 wheel car design also doesnt have problems until on road.
982107;1421595359;Zarathul;:)
982108;1421595560;Zarathul;I was wondering what the community thinks about crypto games with Bitcoin withdrawal and playing for crypto assets. and if they would play TakeOver
982109;1421595610;Zarathul;but it seems Sunday is not the most active time around this channel :)
982110;1421595681;kakobrekla;its still a little early
982111;1421595713;Zarathul;ok, I guess I'll try again later
982112;1421595736;kakobrekla;just stick around, people read logs
982113;1421595887;BingoBoingo;It might take a day or two for people interested asking questions to get to this part of the conversation.
982114;1421596091;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20400 @ 0.00044011 = 8.9782 BTC [-] {2} 
982115;1421596136;Zarathul;OK
982116;1421596449;BingoBoingo;!up Zarathul
982117;1421596454;Zarathul;:)
982118;1421596458;Zarathul;thanks
982119;1421596488;BingoBoingo;Adlai: Keep an eye out for anything qntrable at this thing.
982120;1421596816;xanthyos;Zarathul: looks like it has potential
982121;1421596891;xanthyos;correlate in-game gold for satoshis
982122;1421597019;xanthyos;i'd like to play monopoly with #b-a members if we could figure out a place to do the dice
982123;1421597649;TomServo;;;dice 2d6
982124;1421597649;gribble;5 and 5
982125;1421597652;TomServo;:)
982126;1421597921;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12500 @ 0.00045292 = 5.6615 BTC [+]
982127;1421598033;xanthyos;TomServo: care to play monopoly? we can use our own boards and everyone gets to be the car
982128;1421598043;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 70150 @ 0.00043691 = 30.6492 BTC [-]
982129;1421598098;xanthyos;still your turn TomServo
982130;1421598101;xanthyos;you're on just visiting
982131;1421598270;xanthyos;https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B7pBLn-IEAMExtC.jpg << memale washroom
982132;1421598271;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1ufAvgO )
982133;1421598296;xanthyos;!up Zarathul
982134;1421598304;Adlai;BingoBoingo: garza's talk got cancelled, so i'm spending most of my time "networking"
982135;1421598313;BingoBoingo;Ah
982136;1421598347;kakobrekla;garza's talk got cancelled < scammer decided not to scam? what a scammer.
982137;1421598396;xanthyos;once your reptutation is that of a scammer the only way to continue scamming is not to scam and in doing so defy expectations; that being the scam.
982138;1421598404;Adlai;he's still here, paybase/hashnest logo everywhere, giving out free polo shirts at their booth, kickoff party had a giant paybase logo on the side of the hotel
982139;1421598499;Adlai;actually i didn't see him at the conference itself yesterday, but his goons from the kickoff party were hanging around, so i'm guessing he was there too
982140;1421598636;Adlai;so, while i'd love to write some english words, my time over the past two days has been spent speaking words and writing code, and today will likely be no different
982141;1421598664;Adlai;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=18-01-2015#981898 << maybe i'll cover it for qntra
982142;1421598664;assbot;Logged on 18-01-2015 08:29:31; ben_vulpes: Adlai: coming to ars this spring?
982143;1421598709;*;Adlai likes the idea of a conference where pitching is forbidden by default
982144;1421598714;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34218 @ 0.00045422 = 15.5425 BTC [+] {2} 
982145;1421598726;*;Adlai -> conf day 2
982146;1421598829;TomServo;xanthyos: Perhaps another time
982147;1421599521;kakobrekla;see till end https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yKP7jQknGjs
982148;1421599522;assbot;One of those days 2 - Candide Thovex - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/14SAm6y )
982149;1421599616;Zarathul;xanthyos: thanks!
982150;1421599751;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 65752 @ 0.00043806 = 28.8033 BTC [-]
982151;1421600383;kakobrekla;http://i.imgur.com/Ixa3q.jpg
982152;1421600385;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/14SCSK4 )
982153;1421601093;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14348 @ 0.00045013 = 6.4585 BTC [+] {3} 
982154;1421601581;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 51150 @ 0.00043259 = 22.127 BTC [-]
982155;1421601825;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 44756 @ 0.0004348 = 19.4599 BTC [+]
982156;1421602130;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16896 @ 0.0004348 = 7.3464 BTC [+]
982157;1421602778;jurov;;;later tell mircea_popescu deposits pls
982158;1421602778;gribble;The operation succeeded.
982159;1421602810;jurov;i should prolly make a bot
982160;1421602817;jurov;for reminding mircea
982161;1421603655;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26750 @ 0.00045765 = 12.2421 BTC [+]
982162;1421603813;mod6;;;2d6
982163;1421603813;gribble;Error: "2d6" is not a valid command.
982164;1421603822;mod6;;;dice 2d6
982165;1421603822;gribble;3 and 4
982166;1421603831;mod6;we should be playin craps
982167;1421604938;mod6;any idea why one would want to remove Orphans from the map randomly instead of consecutively?
982168;1421604941;mod6;https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/blob/v0.9.0/src/main.cpp#L1068
982169;1421604944;assbot;bitcoin/main.cpp at v0.9.0 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1CoMreN )
982170;1421604948;mod6;what's the benifit here?
982171;1421605175;jurov;tried to blame it?
982172;1421605245;mod6;naw, just (stupidly) trying to understand danebramige
982173;1421605283;jurov;https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/commit/bbde1e99c893924dbef135f42c14f4df9828c6e5
982174;1421605285;assbot;Limit the number of orphan blocks ·  bbde1e9 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1sRe7sR )
982175;1421605364;mod6;hrm.
982176;1421605431;mod6;anyway, im looking at this stuff way up in 0.9.0 because im still trying to get a read on why when you sync the blockchain from genesis to current the R.I. chews through all of its memory until it causes a SIGKILL from out of memory.
982177;1421605484;mod6;im looking into these mapOrphanBlocks data structures as they basically go unchecked for size in 0.5.3.
982178;1421605495;jurov;they decided to keep only 750 orphans and thus had to come out with algo to prune them
982179;1421605504;mod6;yea
982180;1421605530;mod6;so we /might/ need to add something similar... but im not positive that this is actually the issue yet.
982181;1421605566;jurov;if they didn't chase the performance and went with real database, one'd just create another table for orphans
982182;1421605575;mod6;i added some debug code to main.cpp and am now syncing the chain, seeing how many orphans are in the map, every time it finds an orphanblock in ProcessBlock
982183;1421605630;mod6;XXX ProcessBlock: mapOrphanBlocks.size(): 4206
982184;1421605712;jurov;how long is one entry?
982185;1421605715;mod6;it goes up and down a bit, but has been hovering in around 4k orphans.. im at about 185xxx blocks
982186;1421605720;mod6;it depends.
982187;1421605749;mod6;haven't added anything for that yet.
982188;1421605762;mod6;we do know that it must be < 1Mb
982189;1421605827;mod6;hi
982190;1421605866;mircea_popescu;heya
982191;1421605892;jurov;mod6 <265k
982192;1421605926;mod6;why 256?
982193;1421605990;jurov;nm, yes it's 1m
982194;1421606053;jurov;regardless of if it is the case, is it feasible ddos scenario to generate lots of orphans for old blocks?
982195;1421606064;mod6;yeah
982196;1421606215;mod6;so there was a check in 0.5.3 that requires checkpoints for this, which i removed in the rm_checkpoints patch
982197;1421606223;mod6;https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/blob/v0.5.3/src/main.cpp#L1442
982198;1421606225;assbot;bitcoin/main.cpp at v0.5.3 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1CoQMyA )
982199;1421606225;mod6;which is that block
982200;1421606243;mod6;1442->1463
982201;1421606251;mircea_popescu;pete_dushenski: "not until you've murdered your romans and finished your greens, benny" << hahahaha
982202;1421606263;mod6;and in forward versions, there are a variety of other checks for orphan spam other than that.
982203;1421606278;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes so why not bring mom here ?
982204;1421606359;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes: what are you running, windows on ferrari? << bwahahaha these two. should be cuffed together, endrunkened to 115% and dropped on a sound stage.
982205;1421606627;mircea_popescu;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ksw9C1-pY2g lmao
982206;1421606629;assbot;- Rabbi Jacob dance - Bar Mitsva Daniel (5).avi - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1sRk2ye )
982207;1421606707;mircea_popescu;!up felipelalli
982208;1421606949;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31150 @ 0.00045488 = 14.1695 BTC [-]
982209;1421607035;mircea_popescu;fluffypony: microsoft_moves_major_projects_to_github/ << heh. github as-is is actually precisely fit for microsoft.
982210;1421607057;mircea_popescu;ms has not become a different beast. what used to be foss has decayed to the level one can't distinguish it from microsoft anymore.
982211;1421607161;mircea_popescu;!up sgornick
982212;1421607171;mircea_popescu;sgornick can you self voice ?
982213;1421607216;mircea_popescu;�On the morning of January 12, the day after the three-month exhibition was closed, the public prosecutor's office of St. Gallen seized and sealed our work. It seems, the purpose of the confiscation is to impede an endangerment of third parties through the drugs exhibited by destroying them. This is what we know at present. We believe that the confiscation is an unjustified intervention into freedom of art.�
982214;1421607232;mircea_popescu;lol !Mediengruppe Bitnik causing trouble eh.
982215;1421607319;mircea_popescu;fluffypony: so basically when breaking the law, just claim that it's "art" << you will notice that they merely bought random items. this illustrates the solid point that the notion that buying items can be made illegal implies buying itself was made illegal, through this randomness device.
982216;1421607323;sgornick;mircea_popescu, Yes, I can successfully !up in a PM to assbot to get voice.
982217;1421607325;mircea_popescu;not entirely without merit.
982218;1421607333;mircea_popescu;sgornick a cool.
982219;1421607369;sgornick;Just popping in to suggest someone here reply to this: https://twitter.com/craignewmark/status/556868720883032064
982220;1421607371;assbot;Maybe the blockchain could be the basis of a global "web of trust" and that could be an hugely big deal. https://t.co/jaQC4zLSuT
982221;1421607417;mircea_popescu;fluffypony there's a lot of challenges to the quaint notions of what the state has the authority to do to be brought through deploying the much more widely avaialble powers of math. situation somewhat similar to, while currently a government may claim for itself the right to legislate as to the albedo of undiscovered stars, once they're discovered that's gone.
982222;1421607461;mircea_popescu;sgornick tbh, it's kind of how it goes, that various social media heads put up on whatever social media thing bits and pieces of what they've read in year-old logs here.
982223;1421607476;mircea_popescu;danielpbarron occasionally chases it.
982224;1421607478;fluffypony;mircea_popescu: that's an entirely separate issue to "I choose to live in your house and abide by your rules...except when it doesn't suit and I can just claim 'art' instead"
982225;1421607511;mircea_popescu;fluffypony it is the government that lives in their house, not vice-versa.
982226;1421607534;fluffypony;artists don't have particularly big guns ;)
982227;1421607549;mircea_popescu;now this is an entirely differnet point indeed :)
982228;1421607570;mircea_popescu;and if you recall, i'm actually against "free drugs". but that doesn't change they don't have much of a logical standpoint.
982229;1421607700;mircea_popescu;to use the "on terrorism" apparatus, obviously a state can try to support itself on both process of law and terrorism. some, like stalin's , actually succeeded. it's dubious one can succeed without a stalin to o it tho. i dun see bureaucrats were ever born able to pull it off.
982230;1421607772;mircea_popescu;*: Adlai actually got to use it once, since it's useless for selfies, which the glasshole required << all you need's a mirror neh ?
982231;1421607835;pete_dushenski;danielpbarron fixt! thx!
982232;1421607860;mircea_popescu;Zarathul: I'm developing a lightweight MMORPG with crypto economy. and I'm looking for some feedback and alpha testers << ever heard of s.mg ? also, iirc DreadKnight is doing something similar.
982233;1421607893;mircea_popescu;you could prolly also say hi in #eulora (s.mg's mmorp in development irc room)
982234;1421607960;Adlai;all you need's a mirror neh ? << but then your selfie immortalizes you a glasshole
982235;1421607972;mircea_popescu;right.
982236;1421607996;mircea_popescu;shoot a bullet hole through mirror, take your pic, title the result "glasshole through looking glass with hole"
982237;1421607998;mircea_popescu;now that's art.
982238;1421608023;pete_dushenski;;;later tell ben_vulpes c'est beau!
982239;1421608023;gribble;The operation succeeded.
982240;1421608030;Adlai;thx for fucking up !b 2
982241;1421608040;mircea_popescu;i guess once bitcoin fails i'll run a slavegirl harem / art collective.
982242;1421608041;pete_dushenski;anytime?
982243;1421608060;*;asciilifeform doesn't get the whole 'glasshole' meme. carrying a pNohe everywhere, with its two or three cameras pointed every-which-way, is somehow perfectly civilized; but wearing a threadbare camera on your head, not ?
982244;1421608075;pete_dushenski;adlai pretty sure there's ways to grab text and submit for bashage ;)
982245;1421608099;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform you don't understand how social works work. so : if anyone can get one, it's ok. if it becomes apparent not everyone will have one, it's not.
982246;1421608101;Adlai;if it can't be done thru assbot i don't wanna hear about it
982247;1421608111;pete_dushenski;asciilifeform one is normalised, one "too obvious"
982248;1421608112;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: that was my impression
982249;1421608119;mircea_popescu;it's EXACTLY what it is.
982250;1421608134;mircea_popescu;if the fashion looks like it doesn't have the steam, backlash prevails.
982251;1421608138;mircea_popescu;otherwise, backlash doesn't.
982252;1421608158;pete_dushenski;it's not clear to me why everyone couldn't have a glasshole
982253;1421608161;mircea_popescu;which is why the notion that social discussion is argument driven is just so much rubbish. which is why conde nast wants reddit and the new york times moved to publishing pics and tweets.
982254;1421608170;mircea_popescu;pete_dushenski because they suck.
982255;1421608176;pete_dushenski;they might not want one, but the thing's for sale
982256;1421608183;*;Adlai always thought "glasshole" was less about carrying a camera everywhere, more about constantly having your screen open
982257;1421608187;pete_dushenski;too much bezzlars eh
982258;1421608189;mircea_popescu;right, but the headcount that'll NEVER wear them is large enough
982259;1421608191;mircea_popescu;so it fails.
982260;1421608202;asciilifeform;there was a fairly detailed discussion here in #b-a re: why ocular displays which don't suck have been costing the same 100k usd since 1985.
982261;1421608206;asciilifeform;and aren't about to stop.
982262;1421608216;mircea_popescu;i recall that convo.
982263;1421608223;pete_dushenski;but the knock-off market, like that for lv purses, should fill that demand
982264;1421608231;mircea_popescu;pete_dushenski point is it's not a demand.
982265;1421608237;asciilifeform;!s kopin
982266;1421608238;assbot;1 results for 'kopin' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=kopin
982267;1421608251;asciilifeform;it's a 'demand' of pretty much one guy, yours truly, who wants to program in bed.
982268;1421608258;asciilifeform;hence - no demand.
982269;1421608266;pete_dushenski;only because it never seemed "premium" just creepy
982270;1421608277;mircea_popescu;consider how it works. take an island of 100 people, of which 5 boys and 6 girls under 30, 10 boys and 11 girls under 40. now, one day the fashion is for girls to wear clothes with a hole over left nipple, so it's always exposed.
982271;1421608303;mircea_popescu;15 boys like this. if 9 girls hate it, it'll become a "civil rights" issue, but happen anyway.
982272;1421608310;mircea_popescu;if 3 girls hate it, it'll become a tradition.
982273;1421608320;mircea_popescu;had 9 boys hated it, it'd have become a google glass.
982274;1421608364;pete_dushenski;so >90% boys like a toy --> fashion!
982275;1421608376;mircea_popescu;pretty much.
982276;1421608385;mircea_popescu;> 25% or so hate it --> doomed.
982277;1421608390;pete_dushenski;30-90% and who knows
982278;1421608399;pete_dushenski;hmm
982279;1421608401;mircea_popescu;yea actuall this can be the 30-90% rule.
982280;1421608435;pete_dushenski;i can see it
982281;1421608439;mircea_popescu;note obviously that all this applies to flat, ie, non hierarchical situations, like what to wear.
982282;1421608455;pete_dushenski;the fashions of the peoples
982283;1421608456;mircea_popescu;in hierarchical situations, once ford decides to order his lieutenant to mine a hill because he sees rust on it,
982284;1421608461;mircea_popescu;that's that, ecology is now a thing.
982285;1421608485;mircea_popescu;all it takes there is one. one jobs for everyone from samsung to chinaxxx to make ipads
982286;1421608485;mircea_popescu;etc.
982287;1421608502;pete_dushenski;heh ya
982288;1421608515;pete_dushenski;jobs asked zero people how many fucks they gave
982289;1421608522;pete_dushenski;"here's what you need now"
982290;1421608529;pete_dushenski;and voila
982291;1421608540;pete_dushenski;bell bottom jeans, on the other hand
982292;1421608543;mircea_popescu;which is why teenaged girls with little sex experience but nice tits and barbiedoll face tend to go into "fashion design", whereas fat dudes with an acne problem tend to flock to busienss school.
982293;1421608573;mircea_popescu;actually i guess it's mostly "pr" now. same deal, "you need css for your website, you need tanga slips for your barbie"
982294;1421608626;pete_dushenski;so fat dudes with acne aren't in to fashions?
982295;1421608639;mircea_popescu;too many people dislike them, so they'd never make it.
982296;1421608661;pete_dushenski;that's a point
982297;1421608670;mircea_popescu;there's this ancient observation that bright young lads do not "choose their field of research", they merely go with the first direction where they happen to have some success.
982298;1421608675;pete_dushenski;there's something to be said for having society show you the door early on
982299;1421608678;mircea_popescu;this is true of people generall.
982300;1421608705;pete_dushenski;path of least resistance
982301;1421608711;pete_dushenski;same as following fashions
982302;1421608726;pete_dushenski;it's much harder to carve your own niche in this regard as well
982303;1421608729;mircea_popescu;kinda why it's the job of parents to send the popular girl to live naked with the pigs for a summer , and respectively force the acne boy to dance naked in gay bars the same summer.
982304;1421608736;mircea_popescu;or somesuch. i dunno, not a parent, use salt.
982305;1421608789;pete_dushenski;basically, throwing children into the fire is +ev
982306;1421608801;pete_dushenski;little bit of stress does the system wonders
982307;1421608819;pete_dushenski;it either breaks them, in which case, try again
982308;1421608830;pete_dushenski;or it makes them, in which case you now have your retirement plan sorted
982309;1421608831;mircea_popescu;xanthyos: TomServo: care to play monopoly? we can use our own boards and everyone gets to be the car  << i always play the hat!
982310;1421608840;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 54700 @ 0.00045942 = 25.1303 BTC [+] {3} 
982311;1421608849;mircea_popescu;pete_dushenski of course, they might not like you anymore.
982312;1421608850;pete_dushenski;so sophistakated!
982313;1421608876;pete_dushenski;mircea_popescu this'd only be a problem if you thought that parents = friends
982314;1421608890;pete_dushenski;and still, there's no guarantee that they'll like you if you coddle them either
982315;1421608902;mircea_popescu;Adlai: he's still here, paybase/hashnest logo everywhere, giving out free polo shirts at their booth, kickoff party had a giant paybase logo on the side of the hotel << because "advertisin fixes everything" "we're creating awareness".
982316;1421608931;mircea_popescu;speaking of which : because somethingawful forums keeps driving people to trilema, i started a banner campaign there.
982317;1421608972;pete_dushenski;heh nice
982318;1421608977;mircea_popescu;http://trilema.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/01/lol.png  << this being the banner.
982319;1421608978;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1KU0VcQ )
982320;1421608978;Adlai;there's a booth at this conference, advertising for another conference. they're giving out free stress balls, those bouncy nerf foam tennisballsized things you can squeeze... over the course of the day, corners get filled up with these garbages
982321;1421608987;Adlai;they win the best advertising award
982322;1421609012;mircea_popescu;it produced ~400 clicks in 24 hours. which i imagine it's about 100% of everyone that set eyes on it.
982323;1421609018;kakobrekla;Adlai pics ?
982324;1421609035;Adlai;what is with everybody and pictures
982325;1421609039;mircea_popescu;yeah Adlai this blogging sucks.
982326;1421609045;Adlai;"blogging"
982327;1421609053;mircea_popescu;that's no excuse!
982328;1421609064;pete_dushenski;mircea_popescu great success
982329;1421609065;kakobrekla;i just wanna have something to show when ppl come asking where gaw money went
982330;1421609090;mircea_popescu;adlai meets girl at party. she drags him to upstairs bedroom. they go at it. after a while, she's "adlai, this fucking sucks!" and he retorts calmly
982331;1421609090;mircea_popescu;"fucking"
982332;1421609099;Adlai;"suck!"
982333;1421609104;mircea_popescu;lol
982334;1421609121;pete_dushenski;peeople expect the "you are rich, just click here to claim your winnings" shtick, but "you are poor" is just genius
982335;1421609135;mircea_popescu;pete_dushenski im just an asshole, whadda i know.
982336;1421609149;pete_dushenski;uh business ?
982337;1421609163;pete_dushenski;how to confuze noobs ?
982338;1421609169;mircea_popescu;ok, those two
982339;1421609181;pete_dushenski;it's a start
982340;1421609194;mircea_popescu;three! THREE SECRET WEAPONS!
982341;1421609207;Adlai;"the fact that it attracts so many scammers is a complement to bitcoin"
982342;1421609209;pete_dushenski;the wmdcoin
982343;1421609220;pete_dushenski;^#3
982344;1421609222;mircea_popescu;Adlai they meant compliment ?
982345;1421609230;Adlai;yes, typo
982346;1421609239;mircea_popescu;the balls are a complement to your cock ; the wow's you hear are compliments to your cock.
982347;1421609240;mircea_popescu;ahk
982348;1421609262;Adlai;this is from jeffrey tucker, the only speaker who hasn't used a slideshow
982349;1421609277;Adlai;he's just bouncing around on stage waxing euphoric about the rocketship
982350;1421609287;mircea_popescu;i can see the point anyway. the wasps are a compliment to the grapes and the flies to the dead donkey.
982351;1421609303;Adlai;exactly
982352;1421609315;Adlai;if nobody's trying to steal it, it's probably not worth stealing
982353;1421609322;mircea_popescu;it all depends whether you're waspivorous or shitflyvorous
982354;1421609383;Adlai;there's a real estate booth here, and a yacht booth. they have nothingc to do with bitcoin except accepting it as payment.
982355;1421609405;mircea_popescu;lol. sold anything ?
982356;1421609478;pete_dushenski;time to go for a little cruise. cheers
982357;1421609858;Adlai;doubtful, seen a price ticker lately?
982358;1421609866;Adlai;they're probably more likely to make a sale if they put up a sign saying they don't take bitcoin
982359;1421609946;mircea_popescu;lol
982360;1421610071;mircea_popescu;mod6: so we /might/ need to add something similar... but im not positive that this is actually the issue yet. << i don't see how concurrent chains would cause memory outages.
982361;1421610116;mircea_popescu;jurov: regardless of if it is the case, is it feasible ddos scenario to generate lots of orphans for old blocks? << yes.
982362;1421610214;mircea_popescu;!up Zarathul
982363;1421610310;Adlai;there shouldn't be any problem incorporating headers-first mitigation of that ddos vector
982364;1421610504;mircea_popescu;how'd that go ?
982365;1421610504;Adlai;"If you think bitcoin people are passionate about bitcoin, you should see how passionate cannabis people are about cannabis"
982366;1421610530;mircea_popescu;alternatively, you should see how passionate self-mutilating idiots are about "transgender"
982367;1421610546;mircea_popescu;politicians about lying, journalists about being stupid, on it goes.
982368;1421610585;*;Adlai knows a few, not sure how passionate they are about the transition itself
982369;1421610590;Adlai;it's a rather shitty process
982370;1421610679;Adlai;lol this guy's roadmap for bitcoin adoption: cannabis, gun dealers, and then "pilates instructors, masseuses, and anybody else who doesn't want to pay a single dollar to the IRS"
982371;1421610691;mircea_popescu;point being, whoever finds something fundamental and builds his mental representation of life on top of it is going to act like someone who's built his mental representation of life on top of it.
982372;1421610724;mircea_popescu;Adlai generally a good indication that all he does is smoke pot, and watch dudes firing guns and chicks doing yoga in yoga pants on youtube.
982373;1421610754;Adlai;https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andrew_Filipowski
982374;1421610755;assbot;Andrew Filipowski - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ... ( http://bit.ly/1KU2OGp )
982375;1421610772;mod6;<+mircea_popescu> mod6: so we /might/ need to add something similar... but im not positive that this is actually the issue yet. << i don't see how concurrent chains would cause memory outages. << well, there is a container that holds these orphan blocks unchecked in v0.5.3. if this actually is related to the R.I. chewing through all its ram, perhaps a limit should be introduced.
982376;1421610791;mircea_popescu;jurov: i should prolly make a bot << it's been up to date ?
982377;1421610831;Adlai;it's rather refreshing to hear this guy say that most of teh previous talks (xapo et al) are a total waste of time and detrimental to bitcoin
982378;1421610849;asciilifeform;'Filipowski was the 1998 recipient of the Anti-Defamation League's Torch of Liberty Award, first for the Silicon Prairie (Chicago), for his support in fighting hate on the Internet.'
982379;1421610864;mod6;anyway, i'm gonna keep debugging this thing. will give updates.
982380;1421610864;mircea_popescu;mod6 but a) a block can no longer be an orphan once the block at the height it disputes has its coinbases spendable ; b) the sum total of orphans to date isn't, if memory serves, 8gb.
982381;1421610894;Adlai;you guys would like this talk, he just spent ~3 minutes talking about how americans can't read anymore
982382;1421611105;mircea_popescu;we interrupt this program for a special announcement from the better blowjob bureau : http://38.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_mc7uh3K9uU1rjs43ho1_500.gif
982383;1421611108;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1KU3co8 )
982384;1421611163;mod6;ahh ok, well, in relation to "b", i've seen this SIGKILL/OOM problem on a local vm with 1Gb of ram, and an AWS VM with 2Gb of ram.
982385;1421611191;mircea_popescu;mod6 actually this would be a good datapoint to compute. find out the sum total of orphans to date.
982386;1421611204;Adlai;"sure, there are people who still buy LPs, audiophiles dedicated to authentic sounds... but the US dollar is more like an 8-track tape"
982387;1421611220;mircea_popescu;in what way ?
982388;1421611232;Adlai;worthless crap
982389;1421611243;mircea_popescu;so what's the lp, gold ?
982390;1421611254;mircea_popescu;this is such a dumb metaphor.
982391;1421611410;mod6;<+mircea_popescu> mod6 actually this would be a good datapoint to compute. find out the sum total of orphans to date. << noted. will see what I can come up with.
982392;1421611499;kakobrekla;btw if someone is curious why empty blocks are still mined, its because of network propagation and orphans.
982393;1421611517;kakobrekla;the math tells them better to drop tx than to take additional risk or an orphan
982394;1421611524;mircea_popescu;that can't be a problem because internet doubles every year
982395;1421611527;kakobrekla;of an orphan*
982396;1421611527;mircea_popescu;(conservatively0
982397;1421611558;kakobrekla;miner could have a bad connection
982398;1421611590;kakobrekla;for example that 100k usd fury rack was connected to the internet via 3 mobile phone connections back in the day.
982399;1421611593;mircea_popescu;"Having said that, the main reason I've never heard of him is probably that I mostly ignore Bitcoin current affairs, because its design flaws will eventually kill it. The key ideas behind the technology are epoch-makingly brilliant, but the trouble with any distributed P2P system - the thing that kills most of them in the end - is that for any given design flaw, there are people who benefit from it, and those people wi
982400;1421611593;mircea_popescu;ll fork the network to keep it. Eventually, the network will cease to have utility because it will be too small and then it will die. The three specific things that will ultimately kill Bitcoin are the limit on the number of coins, the lack of any kind of value anchor, and the absence of compulsory transaction fees. "
982401;1421611609;mircea_popescu;dude where would we be without bitcoin experts that built their expertise on ignorance!
982402;1421611707;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25322 @ 0.00046409 = 11.7517 BTC [+] {2} 
982403;1421611723;Adlai;!up TheNewDeal
982404;1421611772;mircea_popescu;bless his soul. "bitcoin is bad because no government to inflate it, no government to posture about it, no government to tax it".
982405;1421611783;asciilifeform;trololol.
982406;1421611790;TheNewDeal;So I aithed through gribble and then assbot is sending me some separate link when I try for !Up. Is it just like the gribble auth process?
982407;1421611807;mircea_popescu;TheNewDeal just decode the otp and send !v decodedotp
982408;1421611818;mircea_popescu;gribble auth no longer used/required for assbot voice.
982409;1421611828;TheNewDeal;Roger that
982410;1421611829;mircea_popescu;discussion on the 16th logs.
982411;1421612111;ben_vulpes;good morning, arsonists
982412;1421612214;mircea_popescu;i only rape and pillage.
982413;1421612650;ben_vulpes;Zarathul: http://forums.toucharcade.com/showthread.php?t=252647 << that's your inspiration? and is lith playable anywhere?
982414;1421612652;assbot;Universal SaruTobi - Touch Arcade ... ( http://bit.ly/1yx9Nyu )
982415;1421612667;ben_vulpes;http://bitcoinmagazine.com/18128/meet-sarutobi-the-flying-bitcoin-collecting-monkey/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+BitcoinMagazine+%28Bitcoin+Magazine%29 << tee hee
982416;1421612667;assbot;Database Error ... ( http://bit.ly/1yx9OlW )
982417;1421612812;Adlai;ENOTRACK
982418;1421613202;asciilifeform;http://www.spiegel.de/media/media-35674.pdf << usg's gossipd.
982419;1421613207;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1yxawjd )
982420;1421613224;asciilifeform;(or, not quite, but they want one. review of relevant maths, etc.)
982421;1421613243;mircea_popescu;heh
982422;1421613246;mircea_popescu;is this new ?
982423;1421613253;asciilifeform;from the spiegel thing
982424;1421613258;asciilifeform;in that sense - new
982425;1421613283;asciilifeform;but if it was in snowden's arse capsule, it is not 'new' in the usual sense of the word
982426;1421613307;mircea_popescu;aha
982427;1421613335;jurov;mircea_popescu: it's okay i forgot it's another account. derp :(
982428;1421613338;jurov;no bots needed
982429;1421613364;mircea_popescu;mebbe i make an android sexbot to come to your place and disturb your thoughts
982430;1421613388;jurov;imo assbot haunts me sufficiently
982431;1421613500;mircea_popescu;lol
982432;1421613616;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: http://imgur.com/EdLych8 << even this was in there.
982433;1421613617;assbot;                        imgur: the simple image sharer ... ( http://bit.ly/1yxbax8 )
982434;1421613682;jurov;!mpif
982435;1421613683;assbot;BtcAlpha.com F.MPIF Tracker estimated NAV per share: 0.00021389 B (Total: 467.74 B). Delta: -1.46 B. Last trade for F.MPIF on MPEX was at 0.0002 BTC [-]
982436;1421613701;jurov;;;calc 21389/1.01
982437;1421613702;gribble;21177.2277228
982438;1421613710;jurov;;;calc 21389*1.01
982439;1421613710;gribble;21602.89
982440;1421613754;TheNewDeal;;;nethash
982441;1421613755;gribble;312060730.861
982442;1421613766;TheNewDeal;;;ident TheNewDeal
982443;1421613766;gribble;Nick 'TheNewDeal', with hostmask 'TheNewDeal!~TheNewDea@unaffiliated/thenewdeal', is not identified.
982444;1421613820;ben_vulpes;<mircea_popescu> [] ben_vulpes so why not bring mom here ? << well now she's full-bore communist. notrly good company for the asshats.
982445;1421613844;hanbot;could be fun...
982446;1421613891;ben_vulpes;myeah i've read asylum
982447;1421613911;ben_vulpes;think i'll reserve the right to fuck with my mom's head for myself
982448;1421613928;hanbot;isn't that incestuous?
982449;1421613939;hanbot;it should be a stranger.
982450;1421613989;ben_vulpes;winding up one's own mother's an acquired taste.
982451;1421613993;TheNewDeal;;;bc,stats
982452;1421613997;gribble;Current Blocks: 339544 | Current Difficulty: 4.397166205608958E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 340703 | Next Difficulty In: 1159 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 0 days, 13 hours, 48 minutes, and 14 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 42674274810.8 | Estimated Percent Change: -2.95051
982453;1421614007;ben_vulpes;plus there's a bit of "that's my little brother, only i get to bully him around"
982454;1421614021;hanbot;she's younger than you?!
982455;1421614031;davout;wtf am i reading
982456;1421614042;hanbot;hi frenchie
982457;1421614043;*;ben_vulpes is time traveling
982458;1421614055;davout;hai hanbot
982459;1421614059;TheNewDeal;faster then normal?
982460;1421614070;TheNewDeal;or just the regular 1/sec/sec traveling pace
982461;1421614081;hanbot;all that caffeine...
982462;1421614124;ben_vulpes;barely through the first cup yet
982463;1421614217;mircea_popescu;lmao hanbot onslaught
982464;1421614224;ben_vulpes;it's too much!
982465;1421614236;ben_vulpes;hanslaught
982466;1421614242;mircea_popescu;lol
982467;1421614260;mircea_popescu;"and suddenly, totally out of everyone's left field, chtulu"
982468;1421614263;hanbot;well now i know what my name'll be if i ever wwf
982469;1421614273;davout;mircea_popescu: LOL
982470;1421614278;mircea_popescu;i think wrestling's called something else now.
982471;1421614307;ben_vulpes;i think wrestling is still called wrestling.
982472;1421614328;TheNewDeal;not when cthulu is involved
982473;1421614328;mircea_popescu;they basically rebrand it each decade, so 10yos can all have their own.
982474;1421614335;ben_vulpes;no no
982475;1421614338;ben_vulpes;wrestling
982476;1421614342;ben_vulpes;is still wrestling
982477;1421614365;ben_vulpes;words don't just *lose* their meaning mircea_popescu sheesh
982478;1421614376;TheNewDeal;just finished Case of Dextar Ward, anyone read that?
982479;1421614396;TheNewDeal;short by Lovecraft
982480;1421614410;mircea_popescu;WWE, was previously known as the "World Wrestling Federation" or "WWF" from 1979 to 2002
982481;1421614430;TheNewDeal;I think they combined at some point, and then split up again
982482;1421614431;mircea_popescu;so i guess hanbot was nine prior to 2002
982483;1421614476;mircea_popescu;tbh that;s dubious, i recall a "nitro" something
982484;1421614496;ben_vulpes;iirc they got sued by the world wildlife foundation
982485;1421614523;hanbot;lol acronyms are ip nao too?!
982486;1421614534;mircea_popescu;always were.
982487;1421614603;asciilifeform;http://imgur.com/zQO5zhc
982488;1421614604;assbot;                        run moar winblows - Imgur ... ( http://bit.ly/1GfJwvm )
982489;1421614608;TheNewDeal;Actually it looks like they're still contained under one parent company. IPO'd under "WWE" on the nyse
982490;1421614620;mircea_popescu;Bitcoin 0.8.5 or later is required << apparently p2pool is asshats.
982491;1421614641;ben_vulpes;oh goodie another thing to rewrite
982492;1421614647;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform re previous imgur : wtf is that kindergarten shit.
982493;1421614652;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: ask'em
982494;1421614661;mircea_popescu;nobody there to stand up and tell them where to stick that shit /
982495;1421614674;asciilifeform;aha
982496;1421614699;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31500 @ 0.00045488 = 14.3287 BTC [-]
982497;1421615020;ben_vulpes;<mircea_popescu> [] if the fashion looks like it doesn't have the steam, backlash prevails. << i wonder if Apple has the steel to pull off their watch play.
982498;1421615053;TheNewDeal;;;market --buy 10000
982499;1421615054;gribble;Bitstamp | A market order to buy 10000 bitcoins right now would take 2613072.8741 USD and would take the last price up to 400.0000 USD, resulting in an average price of 261.3073 USD/BTC. | Data vintage: 0.0116 seconds
982500;1421615107;*;asciilifeform suggests that after folks are tired of 'smart watches', which proved that it is possible to build a device even more cramped/antiergonomic than a pNohe - electronics vendors should build touch screens in pencil erasers.
982501;1421615110;asciilifeform;'smartpencil' !
982502;1421615172;TheNewDeal;someone just gave me one of those pens with the electromagnetic tip that works with touchscreens, great for reducing fat-fingers
982503;1421615191;*;ben_vulpes somewhat misses the stylexen
982504;1421615291;TheNewDeal;not returning results on google. what is it?
982505;1421615311;ben_vulpes;stylus*
982506;1421615396;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes prolly not.
982507;1421615487;mircea_popescu;nah, in eyeglass lenses.
982508;1421615490;mircea_popescu;which they tried.
982509;1421615501;ben_vulpes;not viable yet.
982510;1421615509;ben_vulpes;requires drawing on the retina to work properly imho.
982511;1421615526;mircea_popescu;i kinda have high hopes once the foldable screens come into their own
982512;1421615530;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: was viable in 1985.
982513;1421615533;mircea_popescu;they'll make girl stockings ouf of the things
982514;1421615534;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: see earlier thread.
982515;1421615554;*;ben_vulpes frowns
982516;1421615560;ben_vulpes;i thought i was reasonably well acquainted with that thread
982517;1421615580;ben_vulpes;don't the eyeglass lenses have a focus at infinity problem?
982518;1421615591;ben_vulpes;as in needing to switch between focusing on something in front of one and focusing on the screen?
982519;1421615602;asciilifeform;incidentally, the security implications of a good head-worn computer display suggest that no such thing will be permitted to exist while usg has any say on the subject.
982520;1421615612;mircea_popescu;uh ?
982521;1421615717;mircea_popescu;!up Vince12432e
982522;1421615855;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34317 @ 0.00046641 = 16.0058 BTC [+] {2} 
982523;1421615908;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: head-worn displays are considered, by usg, to be key military tech (all existing manufacturers of serious - i.e. svga and above units - supply usg exclusively)
982524;1421615926;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: they are mostly, but not exclusively, issued to jet pilots
982525;1421615950;asciilifeform;(a variant for infantry was, last i heard, in the works, but mired in an f35-esque bureaucratic treacle)
982526;1421615951;mircea_popescu;the russians use them . the chinese use them.
982527;1421615954;mircea_popescu;they cost a shitton.
982528;1421615985;asciilifeform;they were not, last i checked, sop in any russian machine.
982529;1421615996;mircea_popescu;the new sukhoi thing has them from what i recall.
982530;1421615997;asciilifeform;now, 'heads-up' displays - yes
982531;1421616001;asciilifeform;but not the same!
982532;1421616009;asciilifeform;'heads-up' projects onto the glass. snore.
982533;1421616022;mircea_popescu;anyway, the difference might simply be explained by price. so, if a car costs 20-30k and a supercar 200 to 300k, whereas a jet fighter 20 to 30 mn,
982534;1421616030;mircea_popescu;it stands to reason tech available to one is not available to the other.
982535;1421616035;mircea_popescu;because it'd cost more than the fucking car.
982536;1421616057;asciilifeform;except that the 'magic' of a microdisplay is entirely one silicon die.
982537;1421616063;asciilifeform;could easily cost a penny.
982538;1421616149;asciilifeform;every year i go to my local university's tech exhibit. there is always this one greybeard who runs their si fab, and he has some old wafers, etc. he also has a 'look in this box and press red button.' inside: svga display with graphics demo. the stamp on the box is some time in the '90s.
982539;1421616194;asciilifeform;i ask him, 'can this be had?' greybeard: 'nope. project killed by upper management.'
982540;1421616264;asciilifeform;(box was approx. the size of a deck of cards.)
982541;1421616314;asciilifeform;it took me many years to realize why svga ocular display cannot be had at price below a 'boeing.' not because miniaturized led is dark magic.
982542;1421616330;asciilifeform;and not because of the patent trolls - they are merely the weapon, not the wielder
982543;1421616360;asciilifeform;it's a straight usg thing.
982544;1421616410;asciilifeform;not even entirely usg. none of the wealthy mega-army states really want inexpensive partizan-warfare aids on the shelf.
982545;1421616519;jurov;kakobrekla: assbot definitely stopped reporting divs?
982546;1421616660;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform "could cost a penny". well... how'd they make money then ?
982547;1421616670;davout;mircea_popescu: see you published, nice! reading nao
982548;1421616676;asciilifeform;same way the folks who make 8051 microcontrollers, etc. make money.
982549;1421616677;mircea_popescu;davout aye.
982550;1421616682;asciilifeform;be chinese, have massive scale.
982551;1421616693;mircea_popescu;apparently they don't like that business model.
982552;1421616733;asciilifeform;the puzzle is not about what they like or dislike, but why they even get asked.
982553;1421616741;mircea_popescu;because they own it ?
982554;1421616757;asciilifeform;puzzle is - why no usurpers.
982555;1421616781;mircea_popescu;cause idiot females too busy with "transgender friends" and idiot males too busy reading moldbug.
982556;1421616802;asciilifeform;mr mold has the saving grace of at least being a finite quantity.
982557;1421616804;mircea_popescu;does cardano not exist on shelf because usg ?
982558;1421616806;*;asciilifeform admits he read all of it
982559;1421616831;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 39800 @ 0.00045449 = 18.0887 BTC [-] {2} 
982560;1421616867;*;asciilifeform does not blame usg for everything
982561;1421616893;mircea_popescu;but same moidel. useful item with market that doesn't exist for public.
982562;1421616898;mircea_popescu;public is apparently happy with trezor and glass.
982563;1421616918;asciilifeform;[insert the ancient threads re: toy keyboards, etc.]
982564;1421616944;asciilifeform;!s four ring
982565;1421616945;assbot;2 results for 'four ring' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=four+ring
982566;1421616950;mircea_popescu;think about it the other way. a display is merely a display. it works on information. if the information is all in a box, then you're probably not a very good partizan. more of a hacker. "playing the harmonica" so to speak.
982567;1421616962;mircea_popescu;if the informtion comes on a wire, the eye piece is the least vulnerable place.
982568;1421616965;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=22-12-2013#429394
982569;1421616965;assbot;Logged on 22-12-2013 16:56:53; asciilifeform: 'what people �want� is a function of what they learn is available. e.g., do Americans want three-ring binders, and Europeans four-ring binders? or do they want binders and take whatever number of holes they come with? or do they want something that can help them organize their papers and take whatever is available? or do they really want a less cluttered office and ease of storage and retrieval of the
982570;1421617009;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: the point was not about optical snooping, etc. mundane fact is that the number one application for svga ocular is really partizan infantry.
982571;1421617017;mircea_popescu;like how ?
982572;1421617021;asciilifeform;display maps, secure comms, targeting aids
982573;1421617040;mircea_popescu;partizan infantry is not that much about targeting, or maps.
982574;1421617047;asciilifeform;signals intelligence on enemy (how'd you like to see into em spectrum?)
982575;1421617048;mircea_popescu;in fact, it'd help the invader more than the partizans.
982576;1421617055;mircea_popescu;you wouldn't.
982577;1421617070;mircea_popescu;you might, at home, in armchair. and that you can presently do.
982578;1421617076;mircea_popescu;out in the field, you much prefer seeing in visible.
982579;1421617077;asciilifeform;you would if searching for the loud obnoxious american radio
982580;1421617082;asciilifeform;the 'doom'-playing privates, etc.
982581;1421617085;mircea_popescu;not your job to search for that.
982582;1421617133;mircea_popescu;most targetting needs both eyes. to propose that poking a man in one is doing his targetting a service...
982583;1421617145;mircea_popescu;first thging you teach idiot kids. "don't close your eye. don't squint"
982584;1421617193;asciilifeform;nooo
982585;1421617200;asciilifeform;not the idiot google monocular.
982586;1421617217;mircea_popescu;even as the jet fighter overlay thing.
982587;1421617223;asciilifeform;actual high-res overlay for both eyes, with everything that would normally come in sans oculars plus the extra.
982588;1421617226;mircea_popescu;that only works if you have the network.
982589;1421617238;mircea_popescu;you know ? just like the jet is not a self contained machine.
982590;1421617242;asciilifeform;sure
982591;1421617244;mircea_popescu;so is that thing not self contained.
982592;1421617254;mircea_popescu;well... then its existence is not where it'd be attacked.
982593;1421617281;asciilifeform;even if sole purpose is to zero in on enemy rf, still useful
982594;1421617285;asciilifeform;just as thermovisor is useful
982595;1421617299;mircea_popescu;thermovisor is only useful at night, and only worn at night
982596;1421617309;mircea_popescu;audibo much more useful for closing in on position.
982597;1421617326;scoopbot;New post on Trilema by Mircea Popescu: http://trilema.com/2015/open-the-gavin-assassinsen-memorial-mining-pool-implementation/
982598;1421617334;mircea_popescu;(thing does a stereo *ping* in the direction in question)
982599;1421617362;asciilifeform;http://wediefordesign.files.wordpress.com/2013/02/war_tubas_01.jpg << obligatory
982600;1421617364;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1xHN7aU )
982601;1421617379;mircea_popescu;lol
982602;1421617384;mircea_popescu;yup. were these the steam ones ?
982603;1421617390;asciilifeform;passive
982604;1421617398;asciilifeform;acoustic stereolocators
982605;1421617406;asciilifeform;fella sits inside, hose in each ear.
982606;1421617413;asciilifeform;ww1 tech.
982607;1421617414;mircea_popescu;oh those
982608;1421617418;mircea_popescu;they had some noise makers too
982609;1421617624;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23000 @ 0.00045281 = 10.4146 BTC [-] {2} 
982610;1421617734;mircea_popescu;undata davout so was one of you two picking up deedbot ?
982611;1421617754;davout;yup
982612;1421617823;mircea_popescu;well which ? :D
982613;1421617835;davout;i think both
982614;1421617863;undata;I'm hacking on it today
982615;1421617865;davout;i started toying with it a bit, apparently undata too
982616;1421617891;davout;six implementations later
982617;1421617900;mircea_popescu;inasmuch as there's really only going to be one, this may be counterproductive. you want it resolved ?
982618;1421617923;undata;sure, if there's a prefered party that's fine with me
982619;1421617967;undata;I'm just taking the spec as is, implementing around the go bot afore-linked
982620;1421617997;davout;i've poured 2~3 hours in it so far, so either way is fine with me
982621;1421618119;mircea_popescu;ok well, inasmuch undata is new and this isn't really very hard, let him do it then, gain some cred.
982622;1421618213;davout;sounds good!
982623;1421618230;undata;thanks, figured I'd make myself useful for once
982624;1421618234;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 47200 @ 0.00045553 = 21.501 BTC [+]
982625;1421618783;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 40913 @ 0.00044943 = 18.3875 BTC [-]
982626;1421618953;mircea_popescu;http://41.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_mb8gg6rCte1qhc0d2o1_500.jpg dimple or no dimple ?
982627;1421618954;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1xHSYgl )
982628;1421619007;mod6;dimple
982629;1421619591;ben_vulpes;no dimple
982630;1421619689;ben_vulpes;hey whose idea was it to prevent the network from relaying transactions outside of the context of blocks and was it really that good of an idea?
982631;1421619730;davout;undata: i wouldn't mind sharing the work i did so far, but you don't seem so keen on ruby
982632;1421619749;undata;davout: appreciate it; however nah I'm not
982633;1421619763;ben_vulpes;getdata is used in response to inv, to retrieve the content of a specific object, and is usually sent after receiving an inv packet, after filtering known elements. It can be used to retrieve transactions, but only if they are in the memory pool or relay set - arbitrary access to transactions in the chain is not allowed to avoid having clients start to depend on nodes having full transaction indexes (which modern nodes do not).
982634;1421619773;davout;what are you building it in, out of curiosity?
982635;1421619777;undata;davout: I'd take a peak if you like
982636;1421619780;undata;*peek
982637;1421619791;undata;davout: probably go, the bot I'm working with is in go
982638;1421619818;davout;i had all the easter eggs already done :D
982639;1421619900;undata;the bot comes with example services in python, but I'm prety "meh" on gevent as well
982640;1421619917;undata;man my spelling has been deplorable today
982641;1421619983;*;ben_vulpes frowns
982642;1421619988;ben_vulpes;my bouncer seems to be dropping lines
982643;1421619995;undata;ben_vulpes: dat znc
982644;1421620000;ben_vulpes;grr
982645;1421620039;ben_vulpes;i do not want to drop 3 hours on fiddling my bouncer again.
982646;1421620045;ben_vulpes;but tooling's important.
982647;1421620055;davout;setting up znc was a painful experience
982648;1421620081;ben_vulpes;the requirement to configure it through the running instance is batshit
982649;1421620096;davout;"ohai, i'm a config file, pls to not edit"
982650;1421620124;ben_vulpes;yeah, fuck yourselves.
982651;1421620150;kakobrekla;eh?
982652;1421620160;*;kakobrekla edited his znc conf file many times.
982653;1421620189;davout;kakobrekla: dat thug life
982654;1421620199;kakobrekla;mhm
982655;1421620346;Adlai;http://narf-archive.com/pix/8ba58268c7b87163b07304743abcbd7869a79ec5.jpeg
982656;1421620347;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1Gg2lP5 )
982657;1421620375;*;Adlai wonders when system d will begin using systemd
982658;1421620397;ben_vulpes;ourobottering
982659;1421620426;davout;the way i see this whole conundrum evolve is that eventually systemd will be renamed 'ubuntu'
982660;1421620613;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 1550 @ 0.00089992 = 1.3949 BTC [+] {2} 
982661;1421621284;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21000 @ 0.00044409 = 9.3259 BTC [-]
982662;1421621425;ben_vulpes;asciilifeform: you made it to Ritholtz today http://www.ritholtz.com/blog/2015/01/sunday-reads-27/
982663;1421621427;assbot;10 Sunday Reads | The Big Picture ... ( http://bit.ly/1B6jiFY )
982664;1421621453;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: lol ancient post
982665;1421621461;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: any idea why linked now ?
982666;1421621487;ben_vulpes;ask barry yourself
982667;1421621501;ben_vulpes;he's got an eclectic filter
982668;1421621505;*;asciilifeform has no idea who this fell is
982669;1421621585;ben_vulpes;some "asset manager"
982670;1421621650;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 32850 @ 0.0004425 = 14.5361 BTC [-] {2} 
982671;1421622321;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3100 @ 0.00044119 = 1.3677 BTC [-] {2} 
982672;1421622686;TheNewDeal;!down TheNewDeal
982673;1421624273;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16508 @ 0.00044611 = 7.3644 BTC [+] {2} 
982674;1421624517;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28050 @ 0.00044443 = 12.4663 BTC [-]
982675;1421624761;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 43058 @ 0.00044328 = 19.0868 BTC [-] {2} 
982676;1421625263;mircea_popescu;o look, alf is now being read by the vcs :D
982677;1421625607;thestringpuller;mircea_popescu: link?
982678;1421625620;mircea_popescu;above in the log
982679;1421625679;thestringpuller;logs are so 1985
982680;1421625695;thestringpuller;i only keep 10 lines of IRC in memory at a time like a true G
982681;1421625984;decimation;re: optical displays in jet fighters: http://hamptonroads.com/2015/01/navy-report-2014-super-hornet-crash-was-preventable
982682;1421625985;assbot;Navy report: 2014 Super Hornet crash was preventable | HamptonRoads.com | PilotOnline.com ... ( http://bit.ly/1IV5bXq )
982683;1421626015;decimation;"In one of the jets, a young pilot was flying his first training mission since becoming qualified to use a special helmet that projects key flight data - such as air speed, altitude, target range - onto his visor. The pilot, investigators learned later, hadn't gone through a recommended computer-based course before being cleared to fly with the visor-mounted display."
982684;1421626037;mircea_popescu;wait so it's not like magic ?
982685;1421626052;decimation;no, apparently it's is quite disorienting if not familiar
982686;1421626062;decimation;"Within 15 seconds, the jet had accelerated to more than 575 mph and was descending at a 70 degree angle. The pilot, while monitoring his visor-mounted display and doing his best to keep an eye on the other jet, had apparently lost track of his rate of descent."
982687;1421626143;mircea_popescu;myeah.
982688;1421626981;oglafbot;http://oglaf.com/clustering/
982689;1421626982;assbot;Clustering ... ( http://bit.ly/1IV9pOV )
982690;1421627219;mircea_popescu;http://www.ritholtz.com/register.ph
982691;1421627220;assbot;404 Not Found ... ( http://bit.ly/1yw4sdZ )
982692;1421627225;mircea_popescu;http://www.ritholtz.com/register.php
982693;1421627226;assbot;404 Not Found ... ( http://bit.ly/1yw4tys )
982694;1421627240;mircea_popescu;one is The requested URL /register.ph but the other is The requested URL /register.php‎
982695;1421627248;mircea_popescu;where the fuck does the crud get in
982696;1421627384;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27400 @ 0.00044035 = 12.0656 BTC [-]
982697;1421627830;mircea_popescu;anyway, read the dude's 10 page long "comment policy", then read the comments on that article.
982698;1421628228;Adlai;no
982699;1421628984;BingoBoingo;http://newsok.com/update-gunman-released-after-shooting-of-sentinel-police-chief/article/5384876
982700;1421628987;assbot;Questions remain after Sentinel police chief is shot, detained man is released | News OK ... ( http://bit.ly/1ywbkrG )
982701;1421628992;mircea_popescu;undata http://trilema.com/2015/open-deed-system-for-bitcoin-assets-updated/
982702;1421628992;assbot;[undata] Deed system for #bitcoin-assets, updated. pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.  ... ( http://bit.ly/1ywblfb )
982703;1421629092;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 1890 @ 0.0007542 = 1.4254 BTC [-] {2} 
982704;1421629102;undata;mircea_popescu: I've got it adding keys and accepting valid signed messages, building out the bundle-and-stamp process
982705;1421629115;mircea_popescu;cool.
982706;1421629153;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13300 @ 0.00044723 = 5.9482 BTC [+]
982707;1421629170;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes: hey whose idea was it to prevent the network from relaying transactions outside of the context of blocks and was it really that good of an idea? << i think it's rudimentary spam control.
982708;1421629226;mircea_popescu;undata: davout: probably go, the bot I'm working with is in go << i bet you had no idea just how popular golang is, eh asciilifeform
982709;1421629277;Adlai;in go's defense... they have sane concurrency primitives, as opposed to pretty much everything else
982710;1421629303;mircea_popescu;"arbitrary access to transactions in the chain is not allowed to avoid having clients start to depend on nodes having full transaction indexes" << there has to be more to this story.
982711;1421629313;Adlai;aka "have i spammed http://www.usingcsp.com/ yet this year?"
982712;1421629314;assbot;  Communicating Sequential Processes (CSP), by C. A. R. Hoare  (Electronic Version) ... ( http://bit.ly/1ywctzs )
982713;1421629530;PeterL;xanthyos:i'd like to play monopoly with #b-a members if we could figure out a place to do the dice << scoopbot started as a bot to roll dice for me and my friend RPGing over IRC
982714;1421629587;BingoBoingo;<mircea_popescu> "arbitrary access to transactions in the chain is not allowed to avoid having clients start to depend on nodes having full transaction indexes" << there has to be more to this story << Prolly related to post 0.8.x versions not keeping a full txindex by default. Have to set a flag for them to do it.
982715;1421629603;mircea_popescu;actually... should i put in a job for a games bot ? could start it with monopoly. it just keeps dropping pngs of the table after each player's roll
982716;1421629644;mircea_popescu;trivial to do for chess, too. but kind-of spammy.
982717;1421629680;PeterL;would it live on #bitcoin-assets-games?
982718;1421629693;mircea_popescu;i guess that'd work well enough huh ?
982719;1421629729;PeterL;could you make a version of monopoly which allows people to drop in after the game has started?
982720;1421629776;mircea_popescu;something simple like playbot, i want to play chess with peterl. to which it responds "peterl are you playing with mircea_popescu ?" and then it looks for the moves, updates an inner state and keeps spitting out pngs of the board as links.
982721;1421629779;PeterL;actually, that sounds like a fun project
982722;1421629780;mircea_popescu;same principle with monopoly.
982723;1421629817;mircea_popescu;probably should have go, chinese chess, stuff.
982724;1421629822;mircea_popescu;maybe this already exists ?
982725;1421629969;PeterL;There are placed like yahoo games, I don't know of any text-based games
982726;1421630001;mircea_popescu;no i mean specifically irc bots
982727;1421630013;mircea_popescu;so you can just copy the code.
982728;1421630065;mircea_popescu;anyway, it could easily be self-financing, charge 0.0001 per player ro something.
982729;1421630362;xanthyos;oh monopoly doesn't just require dice rolls but chance and community chest card ordering
982730;1421630440;xanthyos;.0001 per player per entry, and with new players dropping in after the game already started it could have a cumulative prize pool
982731;1421630450;xanthyos;with rebuys
982732;1421630532;PeterL;maybe only allow people to koin until all properties sold?
982733;1421630566;PeterL;s/join/koin
982734;1421630861;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23950 @ 0.00044723 = 10.7112 BTC [+]
982735;1421630896;thestringpuller;mircea_popescu: something simple like playbot, i want to play chess << already pretty much done with this in GPG. Needs to be vetted thoroughly tho before any widespread release
982736;1421630983;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 49550 @ 0.00044837 = 22.2167 BTC [+] {2} 
982737;1421630994;thestringpuller;mircea_popescu: anyway, it could easily be self-financing << only if lots of games are available over time. vis-a-vis crypto-arcade/midway but meh dunno. Long road is long :P
982738;1421631049;PeterL;I was thinking more of something for us to have fun rather than trying to make money
982739;1421631075;thestringpuller;because game developers are starving artists :P
982740;1421631720;kakobrekla;i had fun once
982741;1421631766;Adlai;then the fire nation attacked?
982742;1421631790;kakobrekla;no, it was awful.
982743;1421631861;kakobrekla;https://pbs.twimg.com/media/A8O1PZ3CAAIEfD6.jpg
982744;1421631861;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1BqOKkF )
982745;1421632143;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19423 @ 0.00044035 = 8.5529 BTC [-]
982746;1421632256;Adlai;huh, what happened to two weeks notice: "This account was deleted and is no longer recoverable."
982747;1421633028;kakobrekla;updated quite a bit; http://wiki.bitcoin-assets.com/irc_bots/assbot
982748;1421633029;assbot;irc_bots:assbot [bitcoin assets wiki] ... ( http://bit.ly/1BqStij )
982749;1421633057;kakobrekla;make fixes if needed
982750;1421633222;PeterL;on wiki, !verify should have short !v included
982751;1421633248;kakobrekla;fixed ty
982752;1421633607;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28900 @ 0.00043227 = 12.4926 BTC [-] {2} 
982753;1421633882;kakobrekla;also first steps in ba is outdated
982754;1421633907;kakobrekla;if anyone wants to fix that be my guest.
982755;1421633955;PeterL;"since no sessions, bot can be used without the need for you being present on any channel" < it should say you need to be in chan to get voiced
982756;1421633972;kakobrekla;that goes without saying.
982757;1421634034;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 60300 @ 0.00043105 = 25.9923 BTC [-] {2} 
982758;1421634044;kakobrekla;or i dunno
982759;1421634056;kakobrekla;hit edit button if not
982760;1421635158;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 88776 @ 0.00044352 = 39.3739 BTC [+] {4} 
982761;1421635659;ben_vulpes;<mircea_popescu> [] "arbitrary access to transactions in the chain is not allowed to avoid having clients start to depend on nodes having full transaction indexes" << there has to be more to this story. << pointless degradation of network protocol to reduce utility of bitcoin.
982762;1421635744;ben_vulpes;<PeterL> [] could you make a version of monopoly which allows people to drop in after the game has started? << bitcoin monopoly?!
982763;1421635782;mircea_popescu;well of course bitcoin monopoly.
982764;1421635803;mircea_popescu;and seeing how the guilty parties are not here present to defend themselves, i see little trouble going with your theory.
982765;1421635811;asciilifeform;Ritholtz link << astonishingly boring site
982766;1421635822;ben_vulpes;asciilifeform: industry gossip rag, whaddaya want
982767;1421635827;asciilifeform;i did figure out why it dug up my old article
982768;1421635855;asciilifeform;it is apparently being passed around by lamers, who did not even look at the date, as 'lol bitcoin users, maybe this will save them from certain sc4mz0r d00m'
982769;1421635894;mircea_popescu;heh
982770;1421635919;mircea_popescu;in his quest for easy lolz, the idiot robs himself of the good lolz.
982771;1421635950;mircea_popescu;<PeterL> maybe only allow people to koin until all properties sold? << maybe simply allow people to sell out their token
982772;1421635951;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35300 @ 0.00045069 = 15.9094 BTC [+] {2} 
982773;1421636004;mircea_popescu;<kakobrekla> https://pbs.twimg.com/media/A8O1PZ3CAAIEfD6.jpg << that you ?!
982774;1421636004;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1KUtEy7 )
982775;1421636013;kakobrekla;nah
982776;1421636021;kakobrekla;i mean
982777;1421636030;kakobrekla;no and yes!
982778;1421636031;mircea_popescu;scam
982779;1421636041;kakobrekla;not on the pic but represent!
982780;1421636100;mircea_popescu;http://33.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m9vorgq3x51rcmfhmo1_250.gif << saving this for later, in case i need to illustrate VC investment or something.
982781;1421636103;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1KUtHdb )
982782;1421636195;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 54100 @ 0.00045252 = 24.4813 BTC [+] {2} 
982783;1421636203;mircea_popescu;!help
982784;1421636203;assbot;http://wiki.bitcoin-assets.com/irc_bots/assbot
982785;1421636273;mircea_popescu;kakobrekla can multiple nicks be reg'd to same key ?
982786;1421636283;kakobrekla;neg
982787;1421636393;ben_vulpes;<assbot> [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 54100 @ 0.00045252 = 24.4813 BTC [+] {2} << someone's scooping cheap mpoe
982788;1421636470;mircea_popescu;!up metsuno
982789;1421637852;decimation;!up WolfGoethe
982790;1421638039;WolfGoethe;welcome all
982791;1421638056;BingoBoingo;Can not improve on the drama here and in the comments http://valleywag.gawker.com/linus-torvalds-does-not-give-a-shit-about-you-1680004895
982792;1421638057;assbot;Linus Torvalds Does Not Give A Shit About You And Your Dumb Opinions ... ( http://bit.ly/1AyYvIi )
982793;1421638109;mircea_popescu;meh, gawker.
982794;1421638140;BingoBoingo;It's the most unGawker thing I've ever seen on Gawker
982795;1421638197;WolfGoethe;what is happening in Ukraine Donesk now holds the fate of the world in the balance....
982796;1421638265;BingoBoingo;Highligh:>> UPDATE: ModelViewCulture CEO Shanley Kane has asked me to describe her not as a "diversity advocate" or "diversity activist" and to instead identify her as the co-founder and CEO of a media company that is better than the one I work for. According to its website, ModelViewCulture is "an independent media platform focused on the intersection of technology, culture and diversity." So: nothing to do with advocating for di
982797;1421638266;BingoBoingo;versity then. I regret the error, and have updated the post to reflect that.
982798;1421638309;WolfGoethe;naturally...
982799;1421638419;decimation;Eh, Ukraine is already Putin's
982800;1421638522;BingoBoingo;http://www.breitbart.com/london/2015/01/17/i-taught-shanley-kane-how-to-troll-and-im-sincerely-sorry/
982801;1421638523;assbot;'I taught Shanley Kane how to troll, and I'm sincerely sorry' - Breitbart ... ( http://bit.ly/1Az0gFc )
982802;1421638564;asciilifeform;'grow a motherfucking spine linux. get this asshole out.' << mega-lol!
982803;1421638585;mircea_popescu;lmao wut.
982804;1421638595;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo's link
982805;1421638614;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=19-01-2015#982791
982806;1421638614;assbot;Logged on 19-01-2015 03:27:36; BingoBoingo: Can not improve on the drama here and in the comments http://valleywag.gawker.com/linus-torvalds-does-not-give-a-shit-about-you-1680004895
982807;1421638619;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: Seriously, the dramas
982808;1421638644;mircea_popescu;is this like that one time when the idiot murican journos threw a fit that the french president didn't care about whatever stupid shit they had picked to make their world out of, and then were never heard from again ?
982809;1421638663;mircea_popescu;what's linux going to do, name itself gavinus ?
982810;1421638673;mircea_popescu;"it's not new, it's the same thing!"
982811;1421638692;mircea_popescu;"we've just forked it because we're stupid. same thing!"
982812;1421638727;*;asciilifeform finds it somewhat odd that there is not yet an official 'rat king' (poettering?) to serve as an 'anti-linus'
982813;1421638741;BingoBoingo;Kinda, but with layers of stupid coming into conflict. A stupid schism.
982814;1421638817;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform no, they don't need a king you see. they're sans coulottes, they talk a lot, and that's all that's needed.
982815;1421638827;asciilifeform;lol!
982816;1421638832;mircea_popescu;well, that and changing all the he's to theirs.
982817;1421638882;mats;http://packetstormsecurity.com/files/view/40638/MallocMaleficarum.txt >> a piece of history
982818;1421638883;assbot;MallocMaleficarum.txt ≈ Packet Storm ... ( http://bit.ly/1Az1FMa )
982819;1421638883;mircea_popescu;the only pity here is that linus is about as political minded as your average frog, and so instead of taking up arms, booting all us interest from linux, strangling poettering by his own guts and so on,
982820;1421638888;mircea_popescu;he just sits there and ignores the matter.
982821;1421638908;*;asciilifeform recalls once reading that 'their' is 'obsolete,' and that the truly progressive (tm) types have made up new pronouns, 'ze', 've', fuck knows what els
982822;1421638911;mircea_popescu;very important to promote a lot more people who are actually willing to kill these idiots, not just ignore them.
982823;1421638942;mats;http://www.dailycal.org/2014/09/28/gov-jerry-brown-signs-affirmative-consent-law-dream-loan-bill-sunday >> wau. "legislation states that consent in sexual activity is an “affirmative, conscious, and voluntary agreement” and that intoxicated agreement does not count as consent."
982824;1421638944;assbot;Brown signs affirmative consent, undocumented student loan bills Sunday | Dailycal.org ... ( http://bit.ly/1Az1VLa )
982825;1421638972;mircea_popescu;lol
982826;1421639054;asciilifeform;malleus maleficarum << classic
982827;1421639138;asciilifeform;linus is about as political minded as your average frog... sits there and ignores... instead of taking up arms, booting all us interest from linux << how's he to do that.
982828;1421639147;asciilifeform;without getting out of usa personally, rather.
982829;1421639157;mircea_popescu;no such rider in my statement.
982830;1421639170;mircea_popescu;but, simply refusing to merge anything in any way related to anyone who ever worked for red hat.
982831;1421639170;asciilifeform;ahaha.
982832;1421639173;mircea_popescu;for instance.
982833;1421639190;asciilifeform;how much from rathead is even getting merged in kernel ?
982834;1421639210;mircea_popescu;not exactly the point. poltics is not about what you do.
982835;1421639211;decimation;redhat does quite a bit of backporting
982836;1421639224;mircea_popescu;there must attach penalties to belonging in the progressive camp.
982837;1421639233;decimation;they also have some kernel devs on the payroll
982838;1421639236;mircea_popescu;the simple knowledge that you will NEVER be a linux developer, ever, is a good start.
982839;1421639243;mircea_popescu;i can then move to give linux more weight, and so on.
982840;1421639246;mats;http://www.nytimes.com/2015/01/17/us/supreme-court-to-decide-whether-gays-nationwide-can-marry.html
982841;1421639249;assbot;Log In - The New York Times ... ( http://bit.ly/1sTrCZc )
982842;1421639255;asciilifeform;i suspect that linus does, in fact, understand that he 'can also have problems.'
982843;1421639265;mircea_popescu;not a criterion.
982844;1421639276;mircea_popescu;stalin could also have problems.
982845;1421639290;mircea_popescu;up until he couldn't anymore, at which point all sorts of other idiots had a whole troughful of problems.
982846;1421639297;decimation;http://www.cnet.com/news/paid-developers-power-the-linux-kernel/
982847;1421639299;assbot;Paid developers power the Linux kernel - CNET ... ( http://bit.ly/1sTrJDY )
982848;1421639302;mircea_popescu;now that's politics.
982849;1421639333;asciilifeform;decimation: would be interesting to see who contributes something other than drivers for own hardware.
982850;1421639343;mircea_popescu;red hat makes hardware ?!
982851;1421639346;decimation;good point, they don't break that out
982852;1421639361;asciilifeform;not redhat, but, say, renesas and analog devices
982853;1421639369;decimation;redhat does not make hardware, but they provide guarantees for certain baselines
982854;1421639373;asciilifeform;amd, freescale, fujitsu, etc.
982855;1421639387;mircea_popescu;point remains : once there's a penalty to being a progressive, things can be turned into some sort of shape.
982856;1421639401;decimation;So you can be Redhat Certified (c)
982857;1421639433;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: this almost certainly requires a dead usg, or at the very least one which is in no condition to sinecure progressives.
982858;1421639446;mircea_popescu;does not.
982859;1421639450;mircea_popescu;sinecure does not work.
982860;1421639462;asciilifeform;as it stands, the progressives want for nothing.
982861;1421639469;mircea_popescu;consider that the protestants choked the catholics, with a very lively french government that sinecured them to heaven.
982862;1421639474;mircea_popescu;sinecure is counterproductive if anything.
982863;1421639476;asciilifeform;their opponents, if too vocal and not independently wealthy - face starvation.
982864;1421639483;mircea_popescu;this is exactly their problem, that they want for nothing.
982865;1421639492;mircea_popescu;nothing easier to rape.
982866;1421639527;mircea_popescu;let the sinecure become a central point of the progressive - sane person debate.
982867;1421639532;mircea_popescu;that's already defeat, for them.
982868;1421639541;asciilifeform;is it not already the case ?
982869;1421639548;mircea_popescu;not amply enough.
982870;1421639555;decimation;the trouble is that nearly everyone in the us is one some dole or another
982871;1421639558;mircea_popescu;there's dire need for more politically minded people to make it a point.
982872;1421639582;mircea_popescu;decimation for as long as that lasts.
982873;1421639609;BingoBoingo;<mircea_popescu> stalin could also have problems. << Well Tito is a serious amount of problem to have.
982874;1421639629;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo meant more in his odessa bank robbery days.
982875;1421639635;decimation;well, if 'making it not last' is the political strategy, then I suggest "stand back and watch them fail"
982876;1421639659;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: Sure, but... never escaped his problem having potential
982877;1421639761;mircea_popescu;preferably from a distance.
982878;1421639794;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10300 @ 0.00043357 = 4.4658 BTC [-]
982879;1421639806;decimation;after 1789, it was hoped that the new constitution would be well supported by 'moderates'
982880;1421639832;decimation;but it turned out that nobody who mattered was actually a moderate (in France)
982881;1421639850;mircea_popescu;no, it turned out the girondins were butchered first.
982882;1421639864;mircea_popescu;but that they mattered is preserved at least in the fact that their woman killed the journo.
982883;1421639895;mircea_popescu;had they had the sense to being moderate while out of france, and had they the internet & other means to do this... diff story.
982884;1421640018;decimation;it seems that some kind of similar thing is happening in us politics
982885;1421640069;mircea_popescu;if it is i dun see it
982886;1421640082;*;asciilifeform very much not seeing it
982887;1421640099;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16631 @ 0.0004502 = 7.4873 BTC [+]
982888;1421640101;mircea_popescu;all i see is progressing courtly fashions.
982889;1421640109;mircea_popescu;now everyone's wearing bras and marring their cat.
982890;1421640139;decimation;that's because the right and left have politically stalemated
982891;1421640162;decimation;there's no policy that can change because there's no moderate party to support it
982892;1421640179;mircea_popescu;well... no. it's because everyone lives off crown benefits, and so no substantial differences to be had.
982893;1421640184;mircea_popescu;everyone agrees they need more money.
982894;1421640219;decimation;but that's usg policy since at least before wwii
982895;1421640231;mircea_popescu;country's not had a budget in what, like a decade ?
982896;1421640239;mircea_popescu;not a balanced budget mind you. just, you know, one at all.
982897;1421640331;decimation;since 2007 apparently
982898;1421640343;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24300 @ 0.00043197 = 10.4969 BTC [-] {2} 
982899;1421640434;decimation;although actually no, the last real budget in a bill was passed in 1997 http://prospect.org/article/does-congress-even-need-pass-budget
982900;1421640436;assbot;Does Congress Even Need to Pass a Budget? ... ( http://bit.ly/1Az7BVx )
982901;1421640443;mircea_popescu;aha.
982902;1421640455;mircea_popescu;closer to two decades by now.
982903;1421640493;decimation;there's a complex dance between what congress 'authorizes' and 'appropriates'
982904;1421640510;mircea_popescu;it's gotten to the point where inflation's being dressed up as necessary. well... it is. should interest rates move to a very liberal 5% the us is unable to finance even its interest alone.
982905;1421640515;mircea_popescu;not to mention the 7-8%
982906;1421640648;decimation;with the sudden oil price collapse, all Smart People are now seriously worried about deflation
982907;1421640757;decimation;here's an amusing takedown of 'what inflation is good': https://rwcg.wordpress.com/2015/01/15/why-dont-you-guys-love-inflation-you-guys/
982908;1421640759;assbot;Why don’t you guys love inflation you guys? | RWCG ... ( http://bit.ly/1Az8Kwf )
982909;1421640843;decimation;"Anyway let’s try to go back to first principles a little here. Read through the glowing, er, defense of inflation and it boils down to the same basic story: ‘oh noes wages are sticky’."
982910;1421641201;danielpbarron;http://lgbtweekly.com/2015/01/17/trans-student-allegedly-told-by-sdsu-staff-to-get-out-of-mens-locker-room/ Furuya used the men’s locker room shower, and allegedly was told by another gym patron to “Get your titties and go across to the other locker room. That’s where the women are. And, if you don’t go, I’ll remove you myself.”
982911;1421641204;assbot;Trans student allegedly told by SDSU staff to get out of men's locker room | LGBT Weekly ... ( http://bit.ly/1sTzOsj )
982912;1421641246;decimation;"why don't you guys love trannys you guys?"
982913;1421641289;asciilifeform;wai wat
982914;1421641539;decimation;lol from article: "but really when it comes to actually creating resources that support and protect transgender and other marginalized students, they have really dragged their feet and have taken a really long time…and in the meantime students’ lives are at risk.”
982915;1421641558;decimation;so, some guy telling a confused chick to leave the locker room is the same as murdering?
982916;1421642091;danielpbarron;someone pasted that link in an irc channel for "reddit christians" from which i was eventually kicked for disputing their claim that The Bible is pro-lgbt
982917;1421642143;decimation;what was the basis of their argument?
982918;1421642161;kakobrekla;that they are faggots?
982919;1421642206;mircea_popescu;lmao wait. bible pro-lgbt ?
982920;1421642209;danielpbarron;not breaking from reddit form, they didn't really have much of a basis
982921;1421642242;mircea_popescu;decimation anyway, as a male that usually uses the women's restroom, im pro tolerance.
982922;1421642242;danielpbarron;beyond, "stop being mean"
982923;1421642279;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: wai wat
982924;1421642283;mircea_popescu;" When inflation dips too low, it transfers wealth from those who owe money � companies and mortgage payers � to those who hold bonds."
982925;1421642307;mircea_popescu;so wait. the thing that steals sometimes a lot and sometimes a little is the nerw normal. and so when it only steals a little it... TRANSFERS money from the thief to the victim ?
982926;1421642318;mircea_popescu;lovely metaworld.
982927;1421642349;asciilifeform;'chocolate rations have been increased from eighty grams to fifty.'
982928;1421642351;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform i used the girl's locker room in highschool, and i hung out with the chicks in their yoga class too.
982929;1421642365;mircea_popescu;why would i want to see a bunch of schlongs ?!
982930;1421642374;asciilifeform;lol!
982931;1421642388;decimation;there's a fine argument there
982932;1421642394;*;asciilifeform takes off hat
982933;1421642405;mircea_popescu;besides, i don't like urinals and women's usually cleaner.
982934;1421642411;asciilifeform;^
982935;1421642417;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 55450 @ 0.00044684 = 24.7773 BTC [+]
982936;1421642418;mircea_popescu;plus, if you're going to fuck a girl, it's usually better to do her in women's.
982937;1421642424;decimation;most urinals are designed to maximize spashback
982938;1421642455;mircea_popescu;now, i wouldn't be in favour of this as a general thing,
982939;1421642460;mircea_popescu;but as a mark of privilege it works fine.
982940;1421642516;asciilifeform;as a general thing, as often is, the whole point would disappear.
982941;1421642539;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17843 @ 0.00044684 = 7.973 BTC [+]
982942;1421642583;decimation;re: inflation < of course the thief is going explain the benefits of thieving
982943;1421642607;decimation;'makes for a easier wallet to carry'
982944;1421642966;mircea_popescu;https://rwcg.wordpress.com/2015/01/15/why-dont-you-guys-love-inflation-you-guys/#comment-31595
982945;1421642968;assbot;Why don’t you guys love inflation you guys? | RWCG ... ( http://bit.ly/1sTGEOB )
982946;1421643078;mats;an exercise in kekonomics
982947;1421643116;decimation;lol let the beatings commence
982948;1421643128;mircea_popescu;anyway, the guy has a point , and that point is : the expectations of us citizens, and their self valuations, are wildly divergent from reality.
982949;1421643137;mircea_popescu;they will have to be brought back on their knees somehow
982950;1421643152;asciilifeform;wait, they expect something ?
982951;1421643154;mircea_popescu;and no government yet has had the audacity to go to a group of self impressed idiots and tell them the sort of thing i say
982952;1421643160;mircea_popescu;"shut the fuck up, get on your knees and suck more cock"
982953;1421643168;mircea_popescu;consequently, inflation is necessary and unavoidable.
982954;1421643181;mircea_popescu;it's roughly the "put pitbull in doorframe and slam door on him" educational tactic.
982955;1421643209;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform yes. for instance : they expect to not have to find someone to be the sex slave of.
982956;1421643216;mircea_popescu;further : they expect to warm their abode artificially.
982957;1421643232;mircea_popescu;further still : they expect to not have to do hard physical labour.
982958;1421643234;mircea_popescu;and on it goes.
982959;1421643243;mircea_popescu;none of these are warranted. not really.
982960;1421643244;asciilifeform;even expect not to ferment as biodiesel, if you believe.
982961;1421643256;mircea_popescu;that one i can see.
982962;1421643257;*;asciilifeform does expect, however
982963;1421643269;mircea_popescu;human biodiesel is actually uneconomical.
982964;1421643276;mircea_popescu;do the math, of what's the cost per calorie to fatten a woman
982965;1421643280;asciilifeform;very economical in the broad sense (sealed mine)
982966;1421643284;mircea_popescu;then see what you could get, per calorie, as biodiesel.
982967;1421643290;asciilifeform;but you, the farmer, did not fatten her
982968;1421643293;asciilifeform;she fattened 'free range.'
982969;1421643296;mircea_popescu;so then i stole her ?
982970;1421643300;asciilifeform;hunted.
982971;1421643304;mircea_popescu;mno. economics is a science of closed systems.
982972;1421643321;asciilifeform;what are mineral resources then.
982973;1421643333;mircea_popescu;this is why i am not in principle opposed to ecology.
982974;1421643336;decimation;I thought the point of the biodiesiel was to encourage the others
982975;1421643338;mircea_popescu;just to the idiotic parts thereof.
982976;1421643339;asciilifeform;pretty much the whole shebang runs on exquisitely non-renewable stuff
982977;1421643348;mircea_popescu;decimation then it's necessarily fractionary.
982978;1421643388;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform this is a good objection. which is why i'm not fixated on ecology.
982979;1421643434;asciilifeform;nobody but chromosomally damaged midwestern usians imagines that closed cycle biodiesel is +ev. but it remains that something will have to be done with the... biomass.
982980;1421643447;decimation;fractionary << yes, ferment one, educate 1000 (at the fuel pump!)
982981;1421643504;mircea_popescu;decimation but then you'ver just shown why they'd rightfully not expect to be biodisel'd. 1 in 1000 shot.
982982;1421643516;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7796 @ 0.00043702 = 3.407 BTC [-]
982983;1421643516;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform sure, as an one off thing.
982984;1421643526;asciilifeform;although there are interesting 'demo' cases. i once saw a set of photographs of a 'work of art' - a small coffee table, with a bioreactor. a lure of some electronic kind (acoustic?) led mice up a hollow leg and into the reactor. there, they would ferment, and charge a battery that would run the next iteration of the mouse-lift-zap-ferment cycle.
982985;1421643538;asciilifeform;it was, in fact, a basic toy chumpatron. the inspiration for my article re: same.
982986;1421643566;mircea_popescu;yes but simply making solar panels the same size or price would yield more.
982987;1421643572;asciilifeform;naturally
982988;1421643577;mircea_popescu;nature does these contortions, because nature's a whore.
982989;1421643578;asciilifeform;but does not beautify living room
982990;1421643582;asciilifeform;nor eliminate mice.
982991;1421643586;mircea_popescu;human artfulness however...
982992;1421643603;mircea_popescu;human artfulness is all male, and has horror of cunt.
982993;1421643612;mircea_popescu;because cunt fucking stains. especially corduroy.
982994;1421643620;asciilifeform;http://gizmodo.com/5146254/mousetrap-coffee-table-uses-its-victims-for-fuel
982995;1421643621;assbot;Mousetrap Coffee Table Uses Its Victims For Fuel ... ( http://bit.ly/1wkGU4k )
982996;1421643621;asciilifeform;^ it.
982997;1421643646;decimation;asciilifeform: http://www.withouthotair.com/cD/page_284.shtml "The power per unit area of bioethanol from corn is astonishingly low. Just for fun, let’s report the numbers first in archaic units. 1 acre produces 122 bushels of corn per year, which makes 122 × 2.6 US gallons of ethanol, which at 84 000 BTU per gallon means a power per unit area of just 0.02 W/m2E – and we haven’t taken into account any of the energy losses in
982998;1421643647;assbot;Ch D Page 284: Sustainable Energy - without the hot air | David MacKay ... ( http://bit.ly/1wkGV8j )
982999;1421643648;decimation;processing!"
983000;1421643654;mats;i bet the smell is awful
983001;1421643663;asciilifeform;decimation: see also mircea_popescu's article 'the corn thing'
983002;1421643792;decimation;the same guy who popularized ldpc codes wrote that book, which details the mathematical idiocy of 'renewables'
983003;1421643810;asciilifeform;it isn't much of a secret.
983004;1421643847;decimation;it accomplished nothing politically, but it's a good sourcebook for rough calculations of this sort
983005;1421645129;kakobrekla;whoever was asking for wot db dumps http://files.bitcoin-assets.com/wot/
983006;1421645130;assbot;Index of /wot/ ... ( http://bit.ly/1wkIXFz )
983007;1421645239;mircea_popescu;kakobrekla can include a 3rd file with signed sha hashes ?
983008;1421645251;kakobrekla;no.
983009;1421645281;kakobrekla;dumps are done nightly
983010;1421645293;kakobrekla;having key automatically sign the thing is meh
983011;1421645306;mircea_popescu;hm.
983012;1421645330;mircea_popescu;it guards at least against mitm and other issues.
983013;1421645338;mircea_popescu;allows to verify it genuinely came from there.
983014;1421645397;kakobrekla;yeah so youll be able to point finger at innocent kako
983015;1421645412;mircea_popescu;well yes.
983016;1421645432;kakobrekla;but im innocent.
983017;1421645433;asciilifeform;signed sha hashes << unless the server lives under kakobrekla's pillow, next to his kalash, this is inviting trouble
983018;1421645442;mircea_popescu;but trouble of a particular sort
983019;1421645446;mircea_popescu;as opposed to every kind and sort.
983020;1421645456;mircea_popescu;it can be a special, delegated key for this purpose alone.
983021;1421645489;mircea_popescu;re color revolutions : this bit of propaganda signed mark twain might be interesting https://msuweb.montclair.edu/~furrg/i2l/kls.html
983022;1421645490;assbot;404 Not Found ... ( http://bit.ly/1Ccz8Al )
983023;1421645490;mircea_popescu;They tell it all: how I am wiping a nation of friendless creatures out of existence by every form of murder, for my private pocket's sake. But they never say, although they know it, that I have labored in the cause of religion at the same time and all the time, and have sent missionaries there (of a "convenient stripe," as they phrase it), to teach them the error of their ways and bring them to Him who is all mercy and
983024;1421645490;mircea_popescu; love, and who is the sleepless guardian and friend of all who suffer. They tell only what is against me, they will not tell what is in my favor.
983025;1421645491;mircea_popescu;They tell how England required of me a Commission of Inquiry into Congo atrocities, and how, to quiet that meddling country, with its disagreeable Congo Reform Association, made up of earls and bishops and John Morleys and university grandees and other dudes, more interested in other people's business than their own, I appointed it. Did it stop their mouths? No, they merely pointed out that it was a commission composed
983026;1421645496;mircea_popescu; wholly of my "Congo butchers," "the very men whose acts were to be inquired into."
983027;1421645505;mircea_popescu;turns out the first gaddafi was actually the king of belgium
983028;1421645514;mircea_popescu;and it further turns out that the method has been in use for well over 150 years.
983029;1421645554;asciilifeform;invented by u.s. abolitionists, afaik.
983030;1421645574;asciilifeform;~200.
983031;1421645596;mircea_popescu;i guess that's where it traces properly huh.
983032;1421645613;mircea_popescu;of course, before they sunk the south, they sunk the so called "tavern lobby"
983033;1421645618;asciilifeform;mr mold actually did some passable work on the subject. he ended by zipping the stratagem into a single sentence, 'kick the beast till it bites, then shoot it'
983034;1421645667;mircea_popescu;the prohibition was not merely idiocy. it was a particular sort of vindictive idiocy, where the pencildicks got upset that politics was set by men, around beer
983035;1421645675;asciilifeform;aha.
983036;1421645681;mircea_popescu;and so kept telling the women about how politics should "properly" be set by old men around pulpits.
983037;1421645682;asciilifeform;this, afaik, is immensely well documented.
983038;1421645691;mircea_popescu;in a singular fit of stupidity, women went for it.
983039;1421645703;mircea_popescu;perhaps aided by the very homosexual attitudes of teh men at the time.
983040;1421645800;mircea_popescu;anyway, the  'kick the beast till it bites, then shoot it' observation is valid. i propose the solution is for the beast to threaten indefinitely.
983041;1421645833;asciilifeform;works, sorta, for north kr.
983042;1421645835;asciilifeform;for now.
983043;1421645850;mircea_popescu;extract compensation under threat, make sure compensation > kicking. let the cycle wear itself out.
983044;1421645965;mircea_popescu;it's actually how bismarck beat england into a pulp, and created the first germany.
983045;1421645973;mircea_popescu;just requires a lot of patience.
983046;1421646328;mircea_popescu;"they will resurrect and give new currency to such things as those, or to any other things that count against me, but they will not mention any act of mine that is in my favor. I have spent more money on art than any other monarch of my time, and they know it. Do they speak of it, do they tell about it? No, they do not. They prefer to work up what they call "ghastly statistics" into offensive kindergarten object lesson
983047;1421646329;mircea_popescu;s, whose purpose is to make sentimental people shudder, and prejudice them against me. They remark that "if the innocent blood shed in the Congo State by King Leopold were put in buckets and the buckets placed side by side, the line would stretch 2,000 miles; if the skeletons of his ten millions of starved and butchered dead could rise up and march in single file, it would take them seven months and four days to pass a
983048;1421646329;mircea_popescu; given point; if compacted together in a body, they would occupy more ground than St. Louis covers, World's Fair and all; if they should all clap their bony hands at once, the grisly crash would be heard a distance of --" Damnation, it makes me tired!"
983049;1421646343;mircea_popescu;infographs ? ted talks ? yep, about as un-novel as dirt.
983050;1421646616;mats;http://i.imgur.com/21o3yku.jpg manually cranked .bait
983051;1421646617;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1wkKQCf )
983052;1421646701;mats;http://map.ipviking.com purty colors
983053;1421646702;assbot;Norse - IPViking Live ... ( http://bit.ly/1wkKV8R )
983054;1421646755;mircea_popescu;http://41.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lndlf15tFq1qjw73oo1_500.jpg purdier b&w
983055;1421646757;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1wkKZWk )
983056;1421646790;decimation;it's a good thing the Congo is independent and thriving, now that it lacks the terrible yoke of Leopold
983057;1421646859;mircea_popescu;definitely.
983058;1421646869;mircea_popescu;congo has never done better.
983059;1421646901;mircea_popescu;had the meddlesome leopold been still involved, how was england to push south africa to abandon rhodesia, with empty promises that once the man shots his own dog, the man won't be hanged himself.
983060;1421647159;decimation;http://content.time.com/time/world/article/0,8599,1713275,00.html  < from moldbug's article
983061;1421647161;assbot;Come Back, Colonialism, All Is Forgiven - TIME ... ( http://bit.ly/1wkLIqu )
983062;1421647307;BingoBoingo;https://twitter.com/captaincazalla/status/557024272560824320
983063;1421647308;assbot;a battle ram for every asseteer who rides into battle! http://t.co/hKgjR9UY87
983064;1421647405;mats;destroy it with fire
983065;1421647423;mats;it looks like a turd
983066;1421647468;BingoBoingo;Well, they all kind of look like that.
983067;1421647483;BingoBoingo;I mean their eyes even have turd shaped pupils
983068;1421647725;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 47200 @ 0.00043962 = 20.7501 BTC [+]
983069;1421648039;ben_vulpes;* asciilifeform recalls once reading that 'their' is 'obsolete,' and that the truly progressive (tm) types have made up new pronouns, 'ze', 've', fuck knows what els << i hold that "their" when used for a single entity is a crucifying offense
983070;1421648154;mats;http://www.ctv-egypt.com/2015/01/baghdadi-executes-56-isil-members-after.html
983071;1421648156;assbot;Baghdadi Executes 56 ISIL Members after Their Defeat in Southern Erbil | Ctv Egypt News ... ( http://bit.ly/1wkN7xh )
983072;1421648202;mircea_popescu;lul nice ram
983073;1421648253;mats;taking a page out of comrade Joseph's playbook
983074;1421648274;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes it's common usage. majesty plural.
983075;1421648347;mats;http://www.armytimes.com/story/military/careers/2015/01/15/women-ranger-school-assessment/21708147/
983076;1421648352;assbot;Female soldiers OKed for Ranger School in April ... ( http://bit.ly/1wkNpEj )
983077;1421648388;mats;http://emergingequity.org/2015/01/16/al-qaeda-in-india-why-we-should-pay-attention-oped/
983078;1421648390;assbot;Al Qaeda In India: Why We Should Pay Attention – OpEd | EMerging Equity ... ( http://bit.ly/1wkNrMh )
983079;1421648404;mircea_popescu;"Even amid the morbid decay, it comes as a shock to hear Le Blanc mourn colonialism. The venal, racist scramble by Europeans to possess Africa"
983080;1421648414;mircea_popescu;myeah, "the venal, racist scramble". right.
983081;1421648499;mircea_popescu;"They took this country by force," he says, with more than a touch of admiration. "If they came back, this time we'd give them the country for free." << there's a lot to this.
983082;1421648509;mircea_popescu;once there's enough men in #b-a, we probably COULD take over a country.
983083;1421648539;mircea_popescu;not clear anyone'd want to, or why.
983084;1421648675;mats;http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/cia-hatched-plan-to-make-demon-toy-to-counter-bin-laden-influence/2014/06/19/cb3d571c-f0d0-11e3-914c-1fbd0614e2d4_story.html
983085;1421648676;assbot;CIA hatched plan to make demon toy to counter Osama bin Laden’s influence - The Washington Post ... ( http://bit.ly/1wkNSqb )
983086;1421648778;mats;http://www.centcom.mil/en/news/articles/statement-from-u.s.-central-command-regarding-twitter-youtube-compromise
983087;1421648780;assbot;U.S. Central Command | Statement from U.S. Central Command Regarding Twitter/YouTube Compromise ... ( http://bit.ly/1wkO2xC )
983088;1421648862;mircea_popescu;ok this should be good.
983089;1421648888;mircea_popescu;"TAMPA, Fla. - Earlier today, U.S. Central Command's Twitter and YouTube sites were compromised for approximately 30 minutes. These sites reside on commercial, non-Defense Department servers and both sites have been temporarily taken offline while we look into the incident further."
983090;1421648915;mircea_popescu;one paragraph in, it becomes apparent that while the us central command has no idea of wtf is going on, nevertheless us central command is willing to lie.
983091;1421649372;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14700 @ 0.00044982 = 6.6124 BTC [+] {2} 
983092;1421649433;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 52300 @ 0.00045076 = 23.5747 BTC [+] {3} 
983093;1421649498;mircea_popescu;!up Vexual
983094;1421649640;Vexual;mp, you were asking about what constitues 'the sticks' in oz. To my knowlegde it's anywhere with pathcy phone reception
983095;1421649676;mircea_popescu;ic
983096;1421649706;Vexual;whereas 'back of beyond' means you wont see another soul for a week, and 'dingo bumfuck' means theres people, but they give off a wolf creek kinda vibe
983097;1421649764;Vexual;they're really all measures off the feel of a city
983098;1421649799;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 71029 @ 0.00044368 = 31.5141 BTC [-] {2} 
983099;1421649860;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7121 @ 0.00043722 = 3.1134 BTC [-]
983100;1421650042;mircea_popescu;http://41.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lt9f1ckXgW1qzpavwo1_500.jpg
983101;1421650043;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1yxrC3u )
983102;1421650043;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 63 @ 0.12506349 = 7.879 BTC [-] {5} 
983103;1421650250;Vexual;ic the freckles have already been fucked off those two
983104;1421650405;mircea_popescu;they carry freckles inside.
983105;1421650511;mircea_popescu;!up felipelalli
983106;1421650536;mircea_popescu;see on the site, MPEx Listing. see http://trilema.com/category/sqntr/ as well.
983107;1421650536;assbot;Page not found pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.  ... ( http://bit.ly/1yxtqtx )
983108;1421650717;felipelalli;bella illustration.
983109;1421650814;mircea_popescu;!up Neil_
983110;1421650836;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7308 @ 0.00045343 = 3.3137 BTC [+]
983111;1421650854;felipelalli;mircea_popescu: thank you. Is that possible to buy these shares on OTC or only in MPEx?
983112;1421650882;mircea_popescu;to buy anything otc you need to find a party that'll sell.
983113;1421650891;mircea_popescu;you may look into a broker for mpex, like coinbr.com
983114;1421651019;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27916 @ 0.00045475 = 12.6948 BTC [+]
983115;1421651037;felipelalli;Thank you mircea_popescu. Any relation with https://www.coinbr.net/ ?
983116;1421651041;assbot;CoinBr ... ( http://bit.ly/1yxv2Dz )
983117;1421651072;mircea_popescu;nope.
983118;1421652441;punkman;https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B7anAOhIEAAuncK.jpg
983119;1421652442;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1yxA035 )
983120;1421652445;punkman;!up Vexual
983121;1421652515;Vexual;hi
983122;1421652543;Vexual;blogs? ain't no body got time for that
983123;1421652555;Vexual;i'm saving up for an mpex acct
983124;1421652558;punkman;i had kangaroo the other day, better than I expected
983125;1421652573;Vexual;really?
983126;1421652617;mircea_popescu;"Unfortunately," I said, "at present the Hague Tribunal is not armed with the powers of an international assize court, nor is it qualified to place offenders, crowned or otherwise, in the dock. But don't you think that in the evolution of society the constitution of such a criminal court is a necessity?"
983127;1421652617;mircea_popescu;"It would be a great convenience at present," said Mr. Harris; "nor would you need one atom of evidence beyond the report of the Commission to justify the hanging of whoever is responsible for the existence and continuance of such abominations."
983128;1421652620;Vexual;it's hard to do right
983129;1421652625;mircea_popescu;early history of the nurnberg courts, too.
983130;1421652708;punkman;Vexual: couple small steaks, tasted kinda like beef
983131;1421652753;mats;http://www.gofundme.com/kbr4a4 heartbreak hotel
983132;1421652755;assbot;Help Us Recover From an Online Scam by Kay Lusk - GoFundMe ... ( http://bit.ly/1yxB0nW )
983133;1421652769;punkman;https://twitter.com/SwiftOnSecurity/status/557037505162543105
983134;1421652771;assbot;What if Linus Torvalds is just angry because he's had to use Linux for 20 years
983135;1421652777;mircea_popescu;why should they recover ? "so we can give some other scammer money later on" ?
983136;1421652791;Vexual;thats interesting punkman
983137;1421652817;Vexual;i'd like to try souvlaki roo
983138;1421652827;mircea_popescu;"InfoSec Taylor Swift" ? seriosuly ?
983139;1421652835;mircea_popescu;is this more libertard "women in tech" ?
983140;1421652859;punkman;it's satire
983141;1421652867;punkman;but yeah dunno
983142;1421652894;Vexual;he might be a fan, they're everywhere
983143;1421652895;mircea_popescu;oh, "it's satire" i see.
983144;1421652907;mircea_popescu;"satire" is not here for these cancerous fags to hide behind.
983145;1421652959;mats;http://imgur.com/a/1PDRJ >> repost re: swift on security
983146;1421652960;assbot;                    Taylor Swift quotes by @SwiftOnSecurity - Imgur ... ( http://bit.ly/1xn3v1J )
983147;1421653009;mats;some of these aren't bad
983148;1421653050;mats;" you belong on the internet of things because you're a tool"
983149;1421653056;Vexual;lol
983150;1421653084;Vexual;but still no
983151;1421653103;mircea_popescu;" These online scammers extensively preyed on my trusting nature. I was mailed a  "secure, verified" check for $2750  that I deposited into my account and was promptly tricked into sending  almost all of this money to "the toy shop owner" so that he could ship the toys. "
983152;1421653103;mircea_popescu;eh.
983153;1421653137;Vexual;cost me $5
983154;1421653164;mircea_popescu;"Before all of this mess we were already financially struggling. To say that we were living paycheck-to-paycheck is an understatment. My boyfriend is currently underemployed and in school.  I gave up 90% of the hours at my job in order to take this fake nanny job. I tried to explain all of this to the credit union but they were very callous with us saying that our priority needed to be on finding better paying jobs so
983155;1421653164;mircea_popescu;that we could pay off this debt. "
983156;1421653165;mircea_popescu;duh.,
983157;1421653168;mircea_popescu;callous eh ?
983158;1421653173;mats;heh.
983159;1421653176;mircea_popescu;banks should get fucking pillories.
983160;1421653193;Vexual;why bitcoin is better than a bank cheque
983161;1421653219;mircea_popescu;that's what i'd like. for all retail establishments to get a pillory per 1mn yearly custom. then do some customer support in the form of, if you piss anyone off while on the premises, 10 minutes' flogging.
983162;1421653246;mircea_popescu;and if you forget to thank the nice whipperperson for your lesson, 10 more.
983163;1421653258;mats;my grandmother got a phone call from 'a police sergeant' saying i was in county prison and needed to be bailed out before being inevitably deflowered
983164;1421653262;mircea_popescu;". I asked if there were any resources to help us and they declined to mention even one. This was despite my protests that we currently do not even have enough money for rent and food.
983165;1421653263;mircea_popescu;In an attempt to restore our faith in humanity"
983166;1421653281;mircea_popescu;"humanity" owes them. because 'humanity' is daddy and daddy always paid whatever bottles they broke.
983167;1421653281;mats;she sent $2k via WU without even calling me.
983168;1421653301;mircea_popescu;wow spanish prisoner trick ?!
983169;1421653309;mircea_popescu;that's like... 6 ? 12 ? centuries old.
983170;1421653328;punkman;older for sure
983171;1421653444;punkman;although the spanish prisoner scam bets on greed. bail prisoner out so you can get that nigerian gold.
983172;1421653497;Vexual;mats, did you call the cops yet?
983173;1421653538;mircea_popescu;well at the time people tended to know if their grandkids were at the house or not
983174;1421653545;mats;money's gone n its not coming back
983175;1421653578;Vexual;wu usually has details
983176;1421653614;punkman;yeah but any bum can run a WU "office"
983177;1421653672;Vexual;gran would have a name etc
983178;1421653722;Vexual;meh 2 gran lesson
983179;1421653857;Vexual;feining a kidnap is kinda harsh tho
983180;1421653887;mats;"Sometimes... I look out the window and think... We're one cyberwar away from falling over. This can all be undone by a few lines of code. And maybe it will. Maybe then we will repent. For the arrogance that we could live so tall, with so little thought to what supports beneath."
983181;1421654097;mats;http://resources.infosecinstitute.com/gentoo-hardening-part-3-using-checksec-2/
983182;1421654098;assbot;Gentoo Hardening: Part 3: Using Checksec - InfoSec Institute ... ( http://bit.ly/1yxFL0B )
983183;1421654191;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 70550 @ 0.00044916 = 31.6882 BTC [-] {2} 
983184;1421654529;mats;http://beforeitsnews.com/markets/2015/01/bill-clinton-and-underage-sex-slaves-this-could-be-the-end-for-hillarys-presidential-run-in-2016-2477774.html
983185;1421654530;assbot;Bill Clinton And Underage Sex Slaves – This Could Be The End For Hillary’s Presidential Run In 2016 | Markets ... ( http://bit.ly/1yxHoLI )
983186;1421654643;mats;interesting claims
983187;1421654667;mats;!up Vexual
983188;1421654679;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34200 @ 0.00043716 = 14.9509 BTC [-] {2} 
983189;1421654691;mircea_popescu;hahawut
983190;1421654700;Vexual;most of them are 17?
983191;1421654724;mircea_popescu;bill clinton can actually get it up ?!
983192;1421654736;Vexual;lol
983193;1421654746;Vexual;hillary can
983194;1421654780;mircea_popescu;"If it can be proven that Bill Clinton had sex with underage girls provided by Jeffrey Epstein, that could potentially destroy any chance that Hillary Clinton has of winning the presidency in 2016."
983195;1421654783;mircea_popescu;this logic...
983196;1421654794;mats;lol
983197;1421654797;Vexual;shes definately over 17
983198;1421654823;mircea_popescu;"sex slave" and "paid 15k'
983199;1421654833;mircea_popescu;i dun think these people comprehend what slave means.
983200;1421655045;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 81850 @ 0.00046021 = 37.6682 BTC [+] {3} 
983201;1421655170;Vexual;https://www.tmz.com/2015/01/12/monica-lewinsky-golden-globes-party-video-vote-hillary-clinton/
983202;1421655582;Vexual;in other news, mcafee is on the lamb again up ben10s way
983203;1421655963;Vexual;maybe he can take him in and learn sme c
983204;1421656239;Vexual;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pp-YPWnGmLg
983205;1421657718;Naphex;!up vexual
983206;1421657724;Naphex;morning o/
983207;1421658670;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 37800 @ 0.00046895 = 17.7263 BTC [+] {4} 
983208;1421658743;fluffypony;http://i.imgur.com/xcuQVjY.png
983209;1421658745;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1J0qOnA )
983210;1421658747;fluffypony;booths at Bitcoin conferences
983211;1421659402;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 63550 @ 0.00046976 = 29.8532 BTC [+] {2} 
983212;1421659829;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 64000 @ 0.00047171 = 30.1894 BTC [+] {3} 
983213;1421660174;Naphex;!up Vexual
983214;1421660198;Vexual;heyo
983215;1421660820;Vexual;http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xh50c_duran-duran-girls-on-film-uncensore_music
983216;1421660950;Vexual;its a thing
983217;1421661396;Vexual;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NSD11dnphg0
983218;1421662757;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20989 @ 0.00047368 = 9.9421 BTC [+]
983219;1421663318;davout;!up itkin
983220;1421663340;itkin;davout: thx gros !
983221;1421663348;davout;!down itkin
983222;1421663428;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 39750 @ 0.00046203 = 18.3657 BTC [-] {2} 
983223;1421664099;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35043 @ 0.0004607 = 16.1443 BTC [-]
983224;1421665746;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 61100 @ 0.00045576 = 27.8469 BTC [-] {2} 
983225;1421665868;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20910 @ 0.00047385 = 9.9082 BTC [+] {2} 
983226;1421668918;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 53550 @ 0.00047291 = 25.3243 BTC [-] {2} 
983227;1421669529;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 57500 @ 0.00047454 = 27.2861 BTC [+] {3} 
983228;1421669894;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 51653 @ 0.0004801 = 24.7986 BTC [+] {2} 
983229;1421671053;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 62300 @ 0.00048242 = 30.0548 BTC [+] {2} 
983230;1421671663;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33850 @ 0.00048396 = 16.382 BTC [+] {2} 
983231;1421672090;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15324 @ 0.00048544 = 7.4389 BTC [+]
983232;1421672517;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3876 @ 0.00048104 = 1.8645 BTC [-]
983233;1421672822;assbot;[MPEX] [FN] [F.MPIF] 18000 @ 0.000205 = 3.69 BTC [+]
983234;1421673719;jurov;felipelalli: no coinbr.net is completely different company
983235;1421674652;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 38480 @ 0.00048402 = 18.6251 BTC [+]
983236;1421674873;BingoBoingo;One BR is broker, other BR is Brazil. Nothing in common.
983237;1421675282;danielpbarron;Two blondes walk into a bar; one says to the other, "I slept with two Brazilian men last night." The other replies, "Wow! I've never even met that many people!"
983238;1421675431;fluffypony;hah hah
983239;1421675506;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 41050 @ 0.00048402 = 19.869 BTC [+]
983240;1421676177;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14150 @ 0.00048104 = 6.8067 BTC [-]
983241;1421676220;BingoBoingo;http://qntra.net/2015/01/lizardstresser-hacked-customer-details-leaked/
983242;1421676220;assbot;LizardStresser Hacked, Customer Details Leaked | Qntra.net ... ( http://bit.ly/1uiQsCX )
983243;1421676233;BingoBoingo;;;later tell PeterL scoopbot seems constipated again
983244;1421676233;gribble;The operation succeeded.
983245;1421676726;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16577 @ 0.00048104 = 7.9742 BTC [-]
983246;1421677763;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6744 @ 0.00048104 = 3.2441 BTC [-]
983247;1421678509;danielpbarron;;;later tell Rozal New rating | Rozal > -10 > cazalla | SCAMMER - Stole 1 BTC from me, and is a known scammer on other nicks http://pastebin.com/ApyavW5T. DO NOT TRADE / DEAL. << pastebin is your signed OTP..
983248;1421678510;assbot;Pastebin.com Unknown Paste ID ... ( http://bit.ly/15l2MHB )
983249;1421678510;gribble;The operation succeeded.
983250;1421678911;BingoBoingo;http://pastebin.com/PABNbsex
983251;1421678912;assbot;<Rozal> h  <Rozal> hi  <Rozal> i hate people who abuse the rating system  <Rozal - Pastebin.com ... ( http://bit.ly/1CGXr7N )
983252;1421678991;mats;lol
983253;1421679046;BingoBoingo;So this rating of cazalla seems to be the lamest extortion attempt ever.
983254;1421679113;danielpbarron;!gettrust Rozal
983255;1421679115;assbot;Trust relationship from user danielpbarron to user Rozal: Level 1: 0, Level 2: -1 via 5 connections. | http://w.b-a.link/trust/danielpbarron/Rozal | http://w.b-a.link/user/Rozal
983256;1421679115;chetty;lamest is getting like first/best/greatest
983257;1421679288;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13926 @ 0.00048454 = 6.7477 BTC [+] {2} 
983258;1421679370;danielpbarron;oo i get to try out the new rating system
983259;1421679381;danielpbarron;log incoming
983260;1421679407;danielpbarron;!ident Rozal
983261;1421679413;danielpbarron;;;ident Rozal
983262;1421679414;gribble;Nick 'Rozal', with hostmask 'Rozal!uid50160@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-vqjwtzzpstsnaybo', is identified as user 'Rozal', with GPG key id 1C6C480917AD74D9, key fingerprint D80FB0CF5F65CDC0EC40AF051C6C480917AD74D9, and bitcoin address 1DUDE1aJyNEcV1iqKA3SUqJB3QaWUfoFNz
983263;1421679578;danielpbarron;!rate Rozal -2 contradicted himself http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=A5GMizeN
983264;1421679578;assbot;Rating should be any non zero value between 10 and -10.
983265;1421679579;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/15l8J7k )
983266;1421679624;kakobrekla;hm
983267;1421679654;kakobrekla;why u dont like -2 assbot ?
983268;1421679710;kakobrekla;imma fix
983269;1421679715;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 42323 @ 0.00048595 = 20.5669 BTC [+] {2} 
983270;1421679724;xanthyos;https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B7uHFWUIUAAgjZQ.jpg << fuck the certain price of goods
983271;1421679725;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/15l9tcx )
983272;1421679969;mats;http://www.usatoday.com/story/money/columnist/bartiromo/2015/01/11/bartiromo-saudi-prince-alwaleed-oil-100-barrel/21484911/
983273;1421679971;assbot;Saudi prince: $100-a-barrel oil 'never' again ... ( http://bit.ly/15laPE3 )
983274;1421680084;chetty;http://news.yahoo.com/argentine-prosecutor-accused-fernandez-iran-plot-found-dead-073033179.html
983275;1421680086;assbot;Argentine prosecutor who accused Fernandez of Iran plot found dead - Yahoo News ... ( http://bit.ly/15lbpSc )
983276;1421680325;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 38650 @ 0.00048827 = 18.8716 BTC [+] {2} 
983277;1421680651;danielpbarron;!up Rozal
983278;1421680680;Rozal;;;unrate danielpbarron
983279;1421680681;gribble;Successfully removed your rating for danielpbarron.
983280;1421680686;danielpbarron;lolk
983281;1421680721;Rozal;sorry danielpbarron
983282;1421680724;thestringpuller;'danielpbarron is in channel. regenerate hp twice as fast.'
983283;1421680899;BingoBoingo;;;rate Rozal -10 Apparently fabricates allegations of theft http://dpaste.com/2E94Q1Q
983284;1421680900;assbot;dpaste: 2E94Q1Q ... ( http://bit.ly/15lg2f3 )
983285;1421680900;danielpbarron;I forgive you Rozal, but if that was an attempt to get me to remove my rating, it was misguided
983286;1421680900;gribble;Rating entry successful. Your rating of -10 for user Rozal has been recorded.
983287;1421680920;BingoBoingo;!rate Rozal -10 Appartently fabricates allegations of theft http://dpaste.com/2E94Q1Q
983288;1421680920;assbot;Rating should be any non zero value between 10 and -10.
983289;1421680921;assbot;dpaste: 2E94Q1Q ... ( http://bit.ly/15lgdXM )
983290;1421680937;Rozal;;;rate -10 BingoBoingo Scammer who works with Cazalla
983291;1421680938;gribble;Error: 'BingoBoingo' is not a valid integer.
983292;1421680951;danielpbarron;lol what alternate universe is this that assbot is enforcing a "postive rating only" policy
983293;1421680996;BingoBoingo;!rate -10 Rozal Apparently fabricates allegations of theft http://dpaste.com/2E94Q1Q
983294;1421680996;assbot;-10 is not registered in WoT.
983295;1421680997;assbot;dpaste: 2E94Q1Q ... ( http://bit.ly/15lgdXM )
983296;1421680998;Rozal;;;rate danielpbarron -10 Scammer that works with danielpbarron
983297;1421681000;gribble;Rating entry successful. Your rating of -10 for user danielpbarron has been recorded.
983298;1421681011;Rozal;;;rate BingoBoingo  -10 Scammer that works with danielpbarron
983299;1421681012;gribble;Rating entry successful. Your rating of -10 for user BingoBoingo has been recorded.
983300;1421681064;Rozal;now we all love the trust system
983301;1421681069;danielpbarron;is that all, Rozal?
983302;1421681075;Rozal;that's it.
983303;1421681080;danielpbarron;!down Rozal
983304;1421681140;danielpbarron;nice paste, BingoBoingo
983305;1421681148;danielpbarron;i need to step up my game
983306;1421681168;BingoBoingo;danielpbarron: This is serious business. If you make and sign allegations you need to support them.
983307;1421681179;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 67074 @ 0.00048878 = 32.7844 BTC [+] {2} 
983308;1421681199;BingoBoingo;!up Rozal
983309;1421681212;mats;drama mondays
983310;1421681213;Rozal;;;unrate danielpbarron
983311;1421681215;gribble;Successfully removed your rating for danielpbarron.
983312;1421681218;Rozal;;;unrate BingoBoingo
983313;1421681219;gribble;Successfully removed your rating for BingoBoingo.
983314;1421681226;Rozal;;;unrate cazalla
983315;1421681227;gribble;Successfully removed your rating for cazalla.
983316;1421681235;davout;poor log readers...
983317;1421681252;BingoBoingo;Rozal: My rating of you isn't disappearing. You made serious allegations over what seems to be a mutual dislike of each other.
983318;1421681257;Rozal;I apologize, yes im a big liar who got mad because cazalla messes up my perfect ratings
983319;1421681283;Rozal;BingoBoingo: it's okay, it's my fault
983320;1421681291;Rozal;I should just grow up
983321;1421681298;BingoBoingo;Rozal: I am fine with you rating me -10 because you dislike me, but your serious falsification... my rating of you will endure.
983322;1421681299;davout;Rozal: time to get a new wot identity I guess :-)
983323;1421681338;Rozal;so be it
983324;1421681361;Rozal;I won't return anyones negatives
983325;1421681365;*;teward raises an eyebrow and looks at Rozal
983326;1421681413;Rozal;teward: I was mad that 'cazalla' ruined my ratings because he didn't like my jokes
983327;1421681456;Rozal;despite showing humility, he refused to remove his ratings - so I over reacted
983328;1421681492;*;teward yawns
983329;1421681504;teward;Rozal: looking at the ratings log made me think "What the...?"
983330;1421681510;teward;hence my raising the eyebrow :)
983331;1421681530;teward;in other news, coffee is now overpriced on campus - someone should be funding my coffee habits
983332;1421681663;BingoBoingo;Campus coffee prices are some of the worst. Desperate population and limited vendors.
983333;1421681701;mats;use a staff break room.
983334;1421681728;mats;i musta consumed tens of thousands of dollars in beans and k-cups doing that.
983335;1421681735;BingoBoingo;^ That was one perk of grad school. Access to break rooms.
983336;1421681769;xanthyos;!up mircea_popescu
983337;1421681793;mircea_popescu;why ty
983338;1421681804;rithm;can someone explain this rozal dram to me in a tl:dr fashion it interests me
983339;1421681804;xanthyos;heh
983340;1421681820;rithm;trying to read buffer but the topic interests me
983341;1421681845;BingoBoingo;rithm: It's in this paste http://dpaste.com/2E94Q1Q
983342;1421681847;assbot;dpaste: 2E94Q1Q ... ( http://bit.ly/1ABPEFz )
983343;1421681854;mats;i guess someone squatted cazalla's nick?
983344;1421681857;rithm;;;ratingsystem getrating rozal
983345;1421681857;gribble;Currently authenticated from hostmask Rozal!uid50160@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-vqjwtzzpstsnaybo . User Rozal, rated since Thu Jan 17 09:32:27 2013. Cumulative rating 45, from 44 total ratings. Received ratings: 41 positive, 3 negative. Sent ratings: 43 positive, 0 negative. Details: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=Rozal
983346;1421681865;BingoBoingo;rithm: He got into a neg rating war with cazalla and fabricated theft allegations.
983347;1421681892;xanthyos;wow
983348;1421681900;kakobrekla;!rate -2 assbot test
983349;1421681900;assbot;-2 is not registered in WoT.
983350;1421681901;mircea_popescu;but... why ?!
983351;1421681906;kakobrekla;!rate assbot -2 test
983352;1421681906;assbot;Request successful, get your OTP: http://w.b-a.link/otp/3c714a5f55f151ab
983353;1421681911;kakobrekla;thar
983354;1421681914;mats;cazalla doesnt play well with others
983355;1421681932;rithm;fwiw i've had issues with starbucks gift cards with this user i suspected fraud
983356;1421681938;rithm;that's why i notice
983357;1421681960;rithm;it was cleared up
983358;1421681961;mircea_popescu;starbuks gift cards ?!
983359;1421681976;rithm;heavily discounted
983360;1421681991;rithm;you know what they say about things being too good to be true right
983361;1421682004;mats;rithm likes his iced skinny mocha lattes
983362;1421682014;mircea_popescu;it kinda blew my mind. probably for no good reason, objectively.
983363;1421682027;rithm;no not i the female counterpart
983364;1421682029;BingoBoingo;!rate Rozal -10 Apparently fabricates allegations of theft http://dpaste.com/2E94Q1Q admits fabrication http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=19-01-2015#983318
983365;1421682029;assbot;Request successful, get your OTP: http://w.b-a.link/otp/9108da815414d5d4
983366;1421682030;assbot;dpaste: 2E94Q1Q ... ( http://bit.ly/15lmumo )
983367;1421682030;assbot;Logged on 19-01-2015 15:27:37; Rozal: I apologize, yes im a big liar who got mad because cazalla messes up my perfect ratings
983368;1421682032;rithm;love the starbucks
983369;1421682047;mircea_popescu;just... coffee is this triviality, of no financial consequence. however, inviting oine for coffee is either sexual or whatever.
983370;1421682064;rithm;so much facepalm
983371;1421682068;mircea_popescu;so giving someone a coffee gift card is like... "go fuck yourself" ? ie, let's have a cup of coffee but without me there ?
983372;1421682071;rithm;coffe to me is trivial
983373;1421682081;rithm;coffee to others is some type of retarded status symbol
983374;1421682082;mircea_popescu;and then you paid for that ?!?!?!
983375;1421682099;mircea_popescu;but obv none of this has much if at all to do with you or teh starbux
983376;1421682133;xanthyos;starbucks is popular enough to have become a perfect money laundering system with their gift codes
983377;1421682138;rithm;i live under a rock on the internet
983378;1421682144;rithm;plz be kind.
983379;1421682188;BingoBoingo;Basically coffee gift cards are a sort of tide USD
983380;1421682212;mircea_popescu;but a bucket of tide is like 60 bux neh ?
983381;1421682230;rithm;idk where i can buy tide 50% off
983382;1421682252;xanthyos;starbucks cards are irreversible paypal
983383;1421682270;mod6;4.43L Tide = 17.09 USD
983384;1421682374;mod6;lol, 17.09 with coupon, $17.99 retail price @ target
983385;1421682455;mircea_popescu;that's not bad.
983386;1421682503;mircea_popescu;;;google how many cups of starbucks coffee in one gallon of tide
983387;1421682504;gribble;Folgers Mild Breakfast Blend Ground Coffee, 29.2 oz - Walmart.com: <http://www.walmart.com/ip/Folgers-Mild-Breakfast-Blend-Ground-Coffee-29.2-oz/11964636>; The Savvy Lady -: <http://thesavvylady.com/>; Travel Supplies for Europe: Small Stuff Packing List. - Enjoy-Europe: <http://www.enjoy-europe.com/hte/chap06/travelsupplies.htm>
983388;1421682510;mircea_popescu;oic
983389;1421682679;thestringpuller;http://www.ic.unicamp.br/~stolfi/temp/2014-08-03-bitcoin-alley-color-x640.png << this been seen yet?
983390;1421682727;thestringpuller;know its a bit old lol
983391;1421682755;mircea_popescu;what did the victim say to the rapist ?
983392;1421682771;mircea_popescu;Dum licet, in rebus jucundis vive beatus. Vive memor quam sis aevi brevis.
983393;1421683037;mircea_popescu;prolly Conington's got the best version. "Then take, good sir, your pleasure while you may. With life so short 'twere wrong to lose a day."
983394;1421683101;davout;much better than google translate
983395;1421683111;thestringpuller;https://translate.google.com/#auto/en/Dum%20licet%2C%20in%20rebus%20jucundis%20vive%20beatus.%20Vive%20memor%20quam%20sis%20aevi%20brevis. << yea
983396;1421683121;thestringpuller;"While it may, in the case of the delights of live happy. Live mindful of how brief your time."
983397;1421683150;davout;"all your delights are belong to the mindful brief time"
983398;1421683153;mircea_popescu;that's a little more ominous :)
983399;1421683177;mircea_popescu;but works, yes. "have fun for what it's worth, mister. your time is short."
983400;1421683196;thestringpuller;"Cause I'ma cut your dick off in your sleep."
983401;1421683205;mircea_popescu;i wonder why all these derps ranting on and on about "empathy" never manage to produce one. imagine a victim like that.
983402;1421683224;mircea_popescu;empathy is the fundament of all literature, for the reason that it's the fundament of all humanity. but empty palaver doth not an empathy make.
983403;1421683234;thestringpuller;social justice warriors are not very empathetic to begin with.
983404;1421683238;mircea_popescu;quite not.
983405;1421683271;thestringpuller;i think they are self serving "goodness".
983406;1421683291;mircea_popescu;whole pile o' ought. exactly the opposite of empathy.
983407;1421683298;thestringpuller;the kind of "more righteous than thou" crowd, but dressed up as hippies.
983408;1421683300;mircea_popescu;chiefly, the substance of boring.
983409;1421683309;mircea_popescu;myeah, we see the same one beast.
983410;1421683327;thestringpuller;as you said on trilema, "It's going the way of the sitcom"
983411;1421683331;thestringpuller;or something like that
983412;1421683560;BingoBoingo;!up bertani
983413;1421683590;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26825 @ 0.00049148 = 13.184 BTC [+] {2} 
983414;1421683695;mircea_popescu;but since we're doing horatius,
983415;1421683696;mircea_popescu;"Iustum et tenacem propositi virum non civium ardor prava iubentium, non vultus instantis tyranni mente quatit solida."
983416;1421683731;mircea_popescu;true men aren't swayed by redditarded frenzy, nor by soviet pretense to power.
983417;1421683794;mircea_popescu;fluffypony who made teh cartoon ?
983418;1421683818;mircea_popescu;!s stolfi
983419;1421683819;assbot;3 results for 'stolfi' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=stolfi
983420;1421683835;fluffypony;mircea_popescu: no clue
983421;1421683870;mircea_popescu;In late 2013 Jorge took an active interest in the economics of cryptocurrencies. He became extremely skeptical about its underlying soundness and chances of success, and has been advising the Brazilian public against investment in bitcoin.
983422;1421683873;mircea_popescu;https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jorge_Stolfi
983423;1421683875;assbot;Jorge Stolfi - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ... ( http://bit.ly/1J2eGlN )
983424;1421683875;thestringpuller;jorge stolfi is a well hidden dude
983425;1421683883;thestringpuller;or not
983426;1421683885;thestringpuller;XD
983427;1421683917;danielpbarron;!rate Rozal -10 http://danielpbarron.com/Rozal.asc.txt
983428;1421683917;assbot;Searching pgp.mit.edu for key with fingerprint: 155934BDD16E8EAF4493CB9CB36AE9849D961AC9. This may take a few moments.
983429;1421683917;assbot;Key 9D961AC9 / "Daniel P. Barron (danielpbarron)" successfully imported.
983430;1421683917;assbot;Request successful, get your OTP: http://w.b-a.link/otp/07fa06bebb8415a5
983431;1421683918;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1J2eNxJ )
983432;1421683968;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo: http://qntra.net/2015/01/lizardstresser-hacked-customer-details-leaked/ << lmao epic scoop.
983433;1421683969;assbot;LizardStresser Hacked, Customer Details Leaked | Qntra.net ... ( http://bit.ly/1J2f4Rr )
983434;1421684034;kakobrekla;>especially since storing user data as plaintext indicates that the group likely made further and still graver lapses in technological and operational security.
983435;1421684035;kakobrekla;nah
983436;1421684038;kakobrekla;thats intentional
983437;1421684078;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 57449 @ 0.00048811 = 28.0414 BTC [-]
983438;1421684088;mircea_popescu;chetty: http://news.yahoo.com/argentine-prosecutor-accused-fernandez-iran-plot-found-dead-073033179.html << wow.
983439;1421684090;assbot;Argentine prosecutor who accused Fernandez of Iran plot found dead - Yahoo News ... ( http://bit.ly/1Cd58nJ )
983440;1421684096;asciilifeform;'had problems.'
983441;1421684118;mircea_popescu;definitely.
983442;1421684174;mircea_popescu;"Everything indicates it was a suicide," Secretary of National Security Sergio Berni told local television. "We have to see if gunpowder is found on his hands."
983443;1421684187;mircea_popescu;so... "nothing indicates it was a suicide, but we'll lie about it."
983444;1421684216;asciilifeform;at least he didn't fellate a nailgun. or sew himself into a sack afterwards.
983445;1421684223;mircea_popescu;i mean... the circumstances are such that he'd have been killed, and dunno yet if powder residue. literlaly nothing indicates a suicide.
983446;1421684235;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform suicide with a .22 ?
983447;1421684238;mircea_popescu;gimme a break.
983448;1421684240;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: lol
983449;1421684248;danielpbarron;!v assbot:danielpbarron.rate.Rozal.-10:43ae443061902db3b67328f3d62f0487148cc47aaa53abcf854c7696be4ca674
983450;1421684248;assbot;Successfully added a rating of -10 for Rozal with note: http://danielpbarron.com/Rozal.asc.txt
983451;1421684255;mircea_popescu;"He was alone in the apartment," prosecutor Viviana Fein told reporters. "There are no witnesses." << probably the best reason to keep a harem ever.
983452;1421684267;asciilifeform;'harem also suicided'
983453;1421684270;mircea_popescu;orly.
983454;1421684272;asciilifeform;from grief.
983455;1421684273;asciilifeform;lol
983456;1421684282;mircea_popescu;good story brah.
983457;1421684287;mircea_popescu;the pregnant 16yo also ?
983458;1421684302;mircea_popescu;"sure. prepostpartum."
983459;1421684312;mircea_popescu;"and pms"
983460;1421684327;asciilifeform;'if ya don't believe this lie is true, ask the blind man, he saw it too'
983461;1421684357;mircea_popescu;Argentine Cabinet Chief Jorge Capitanich had said Nisman's allegations were "crazy, absurd, illogical, irrational, ridiculous, unconstitutional".
983462;1421684358;mircea_popescu;lol
983463;1421684372;mircea_popescu;unconstitutional accusiations. capitanich sounds more like ximenez each day.
983464;1421684397;mircea_popescu;the jackie childs school of rhetorics
983465;1421684441;mircea_popescu;and all this over oil, which is now cheap.
983466;1421684679;BingoBoingo;<mircea_popescu> BingoBoingo: http://qntra.net/2015/01/lizardstresser-hacked-customer-details-leaked/ << lmao epic scoop. << It's the one I've been waiting for. Anticipated the thing only meriting an epitaph.
983467;1421684679;assbot;LizardStresser Hacked, Customer Details Leaked | Qntra.net ... ( http://bit.ly/1Cd5Tgy )
983468;1421684843;mircea_popescu;Rozal: I apologize, yes im a big liar who got mad because cazalla messes up my perfect ratings << wut the fuck going on there ?!
983469;1421684870;mircea_popescu;Rozal: despite showing humility, he refused to remove his ratings - so I over reacted << is this klye ?
983470;1421684887;davout;kakobrekla: so are assbot and -otc's wots completely forked or is there some sort of sync?
983471;1421684904;mircea_popescu;teward: in other news, coffee is now overpriced on campus - someone should be funding my coffee habits << job board's this way http://trilema.com/category/job-board/
983472;1421684905;assbot;Page not found pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.  ... ( http://bit.ly/1Cd677x )
983473;1421684906;kakobrekla;no sync atm
983474;1421684922;mircea_popescu;davout tryin' to work out a sync paradigm with nanotube
983475;1421684937;davout;okidoki
983476;1421684963;davout;mircea_popescu: also i read a bit more about merged mining yesteday and today, especially how merge-mining namecoin came to be
983477;1421684968;mircea_popescu;in any case imported ratings in either wot would be marked as such
983478;1421684976;davout;which makes sense
983479;1421684989;davout;so re the merge-mining it looks like namecoin had to be hard-forked to support it
983480;1421684993;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 64100 @ 0.00047861 = 30.6789 BTC [-] {3} 
983481;1421685013;davout;so i don't really see how it'd be possible to merge mine two bitcoin forks
983482;1421685038;mircea_popescu;what'd be the difficulty ?
983483;1421685077;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: Best I can tell it's a nobody. But they had a bunch of perfect ratings from tiny trades.
983484;1421685105;bertani;davout: I don't get your point, why shouldn't it?
983485;1421685122;davout;mircea_popescu: there is this auxillary proof of work notion, "Not to be confused with the "previous block". This is a block that is structured for the parent blockchain (i.e. the prev_block hash points to the prior block on the parent blockchain). The header of this block is part of the AuxPOW Block in the auxiliary blockchain. "
983486;1421685184;BingoBoingo;<davout> mircea_popescu: there is this auxillary proof of work notion, "Not to be confused with the "previous block". This is a block that is structured for the parent blockchain (i.e. the prev_block hash points to the prior block on the parent blockchain). The header of this block is part of the AuxPOW Block in the auxiliary blockchain. " << Basically this is my understanding. Both Bitcoin's would insist on being the "Parent" unl
983487;1421685184;BingoBoingo;ess gavincoin is also hardforking to allow AuxPOW
983488;1421685197;davout;bertani: because if you need one of the chains to be somehow aware of the merge mining you'd need a second hardfork after the first block size related hardfork
983489;1421685221;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo at the point prior to forking, the only difference between the two is version.
983490;1421685233;davout;well, maybe if we sell it to reddit as an opportunity to increase adoption ...
983491;1421685237;mircea_popescu;putting out blocks with both versions isn't actually putting out different blocks is it ?
983492;1421685282;BingoBoingo;Well, it is once the chains require different blocks because they've forked...
983493;1421685287;davout;the version is part of the header, so the solution for one header doesn't work for the other
983494;1421685288;mircea_popescu;i guess this "merge mining' business needs moar looking into.
983495;1421685314;kakobrekla;bitcoin merged mined with bitcoin is bad idea.
983496;1421685319;davout;i don't think the way you propose to use merge mining actually works
983497;1421685327;davout;or i mean, is actually feasible
983498;1421685418;mircea_popescu;hm. turns out i don't actually understand what merged mining actually is.
983499;1421685438;mircea_popescu;i had thought different chains had to be forked to mm because of their different origin. but that's not what happens in merged mining at all.
983500;1421685460;mircea_popescu;what happens is that a hash of a block of the lower chain is inserted in bitcoin blocks, and then the lower chain accepts this as "just as good" proof.
983501;1421685473;mircea_popescu;better ways to ruin scamcoins than merge-mine them doth not exist huh.
983502;1421685488;BingoBoingo;Basically Bitch chain depends on the Master chain.
983503;1421685489;mircea_popescu;anyway, that spec'll hafta be revised, but needs more thinking.
983504;1421685499;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo yup. my cluelessness about alts is showing huh.
983505;1421685519;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: Well, that's what the channel's for.
983506;1421685589;davout;!b 2
983507;1421685590;assbot;Last 2 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/3TCKRR8.txt )
983508;1421685623;kakobrekla;hey thats insulting
983509;1421685735;mircea_popescu;check out dooglus (who isn't a gavin-approved economist, in spite of being exactly as certified&educated in the topic as the random idiots a la Oleg Andreev et all) explaining economics :
983510;1421685758;mircea_popescu;At any given time there is a certain amount of demand for a Bitcoin like currency to make transactions. That need doesn�t increase with more competition. That means that the transactional demand for Bitcoin is really the same as the transactional demand for all substantially similar forms of payment. As more currencies are competing to fill the same demand they actually reduce the demand for the other currencies as t
983511;1421685758;mircea_popescu;hey become more widely used.
983512;1421685758;mircea_popescu;This means that ultimately, to the extent that currencies are interchangeable to end users, merged mining does not increase the overall security of the networks. The demand for currencies drives the price (and thus the value of the reward). Increased demand for any given currency results in decreased demand for others, lowering the incentive to mine for the other currencies. The total incentive is a function of total d
983513;1421685763;mircea_popescu;emand for all Bitcoin like currencies.
983514;1421685765;mircea_popescu;Except now competing currencies can market themselves as �as secure as Bitcoin but with lower transaction fees.� In other words there is a race to the bottom among competing currencies to offer the lowest transaction fees, because lowering the transaction fee doesn�t hurt the security of the network in comparison to the other merged mining networks. Users, following their own self interest, will adopt the currenc
983515;1421685766;davout;so, if i understand correctly, the way this thing works is that it attracts moar miners through the bonus mechanism, which in turn contributes to killing-off gavincoin amirite
983516;1421685770;mircea_popescu;y with the lowest transaction fees as long as it has the same security of the competitors.
983517;1421685772;mircea_popescu;This will increase the price of the currency with the lowest transaction fee (because demand for the currency is higher), and decrease the price of the currencies with higher transactions fees (because demand for those currencies is dropping as it is being filled by demand for the competing currency). Because the currencies with the higher transaction fees were the ones generating the incentive to mine, overall incenti
983518;1421685777;mircea_popescu;ve to mine will diminish. As long as a currency�s mining is merged with the freeloading currency, it will be powerless to increase incentives by imposing mandatory transaction fees.
983519;1421685780;mircea_popescu;The result will be a decrease in mining incentive, a decrease in mining, and ultimately all networks that allow merged mining will become insecure.
983520;1421685783;mircea_popescu;edited Apr 6 '12 at 4:35 Chris Moore
983521;1421685788;mircea_popescu;davout was the original design.
983522;1421685789;mats;a .22 can be quite deadly
983523;1421685801;mats;just ... don't shoot the guy in the forehead. put it in an eye.
983524;1421685828;mats;the round'll tumble once it gets in there.
983525;1421685829;mircea_popescu;mats and water can be quite healthy. doesn't make it the cure for life threatening conditions does it ?
983526;1421685872;mircea_popescu;i mean, if you're going to do it, why risk you just lose an eye ? survivors even after a 12 gauge shot exist.
983527;1421685970;kakobrekla;well speaking of risk, why not a hand grenade in mouth.
983528;1421685983;mircea_popescu;because most people can't get frags.
983529;1421686005;mircea_popescu;also plenty of people are vain and want open casket funerals
983530;1421686024;mircea_popescu;(frag will leave visible kidneys)(
983531;1421686024;*;kakobrekla had a frag at home as a kid
983532;1421686038;mircea_popescu;well... somaliland
983533;1421686108;mircea_popescu;!up STRML_
983534;1421686111;kakobrekla;euroafrica
983535;1421686174;mircea_popescu;davout it IS perhaps possible to create some sort of equivalency tables so that "Hi this is Bitcoinblock 1 with nonce 1456546456456456" and "Hi this is Gavincoin with nonce 3489759348759834" hash-collide.
983536;1421686187;mircea_popescu;then mine both blocks as the same hash.
983537;1421686203;mats;folklore claims that the round is uniquely deadly because it loses penetrating power after passing through bone the first time, and then just bounces around blending the brain matter until it exits the skull
983538;1421686210;TomServo;Rozal | I won't return anyones negatives << Turns out, not so much.  On gribble's side of the wot anyway.
983539;1421686218;TomServo;^and this kind of sucks.
983540;1421686235;mats;whereas with a higher calibre it might just go straight through.
983541;1421686246;mircea_popescu;mats i heard that theory more about the .38 as a better suicide weapon than the .45
983542;1421686266;mircea_popescu;i never heard anyone seriously propose bb guns for the job
983543;1421686284;mircea_popescu;if you really want that effect, fill a hunting weapon with quailshot and have at it.
983544;1421686319;davout;mircea_popescu: what would be in that table?
983545;1421686352;mircea_popescu;davout i dunno, i'm no rainbow expert
983546;1421686372;mircea_popescu;"it is easy if you know what you're doing".
983547;1421686422;STRML;Thanks
983548;1421686476;mircea_popescu;sure. who're you ?
983549;1421686532;kakobrekla;!up STRML
983550;1421686597;STRML;Appreciated. voicing here is a bit strange
983551;1421686600;mircea_popescu;2**32
983552;1421686603;mircea_popescu;;;calc 2**32
983553;1421686603;gribble;4294967296
983554;1421686622;mircea_popescu;so each ~4.3 Gh the nonce overflows. hm.
983555;1421686652;mircea_popescu;really the nonce should have been 64bit.
983556;1421686680;mircea_popescu;i guess satoshi not only ran a windows machine with c, but it was a 32bit thing
983557;1421686695;davout;mircea_popescu: for the first >1mb block you will necessarily have a different merkle root, so you can't possibly have the same block hash at any point afterwards
983558;1421686725;mircea_popescu;davout yeh i am surrendered, merging doesn't work like i thought it would.
983559;1421686831;mircea_popescu;davout http://trilema.com/2015/rfc-the-gavin-assassinsen-memorial-mining-pool-implementation/ there you go, degraded to rfc.
983560;1421686832;assbot;[RFC] The Gavin Assassinsen Memorial Mining Pool Implementation pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.  ... ( http://bit.ly/1zrL3uu )
983561;1421686951;davout;if you remove 1. then mining gavincoin blocks can be removed from the rfc as well
983562;1421686997;mircea_popescu;the principal utility of this thing is to guarantee the general public the ability to split its coins on the two chains
983563;1421687087;davout;so if i understand correctly, the main characteristic you want for this pool, is that it prioritizes double-spends of already-confirmed gavincoins when picking which txes to put in its blocks
983564;1421687102;davout;s/gavincoins/gavincoin txes/
983565;1421687109;mircea_popescu;something like that
983566;1421687144;mircea_popescu;actually you're right huh, it doesn't need to be trustless and that "send to pool" step is gunk.
983567;1421687162;mircea_popescu;it *could* just look for dblspent txs that made it on gavinchain and prioritize them
983568;1421687182;davout;yep
983569;1421687183;mircea_popescu;course, this is not actually needed either. miners already do that, in that they look for high tx fee txn
983570;1421687214;mircea_popescu;maybe this entire pool thing actually just needs to be a website to generate raw tx for people to put in bitcoind
983571;1421687229;mircea_popescu;like a graphics aid.
983572;1421687260;davout;also, i think that if what you want to achieve is a bitcoin separator, the easiest way is simply to acquire a satoshi from eligius and use it on the input side of a transaction
983573;1421687287;mircea_popescu;im not happy with waiting the 200 blocks for the scamcoins to mature.
983574;1421687305;mircea_popescu;that sort of latency means you'll be a late comer to the "sell it into the dirt" party.
983575;1421687312;davout;since eligius pays directly from the coinbase you're guaranteed to receive a payout that's spendable on one chain but not on the other
983576;1421687322;mircea_popescu;but also guaranteed to receive it too late.
983577;1421687327;thestringpuller;http://www.reddit.com/r/tifu/comments/2sw3is/part_3_wupdates_tifu_by_reading_my_wifes_text/
983578;1421687371;BingoBoingo;;;rate Rozal -10 Fabricated theft allegations http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/Rozal_allegation Confessed http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=19-01-2015#983318 Full Indictment http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/Rozal_Indictment
983579;1421687372;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1zrM2Lb )
983580;1421687372;assbot;Logged on 19-01-2015 15:27:37; Rozal: I apologize, yes im a big liar who got mad because cazalla messes up my perfect ratings
983581;1421687373;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1zrM45U )
983582;1421687373;gribble;Rating entry successful. Your rating for user Rozal has changed from -10 to -10.
983583;1421687373;davout;yeah, if you can't wait 120 blocks to separate coins you'll have to convince a pool to mine a crosschain double spend
983584;1421687390;BingoBoingo;!rate Rozal -10 Fabricated theft allegations http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/Rozal_allegation Confessed http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=19-01-2015#983318 Full Indictment http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/Rozal_Indictment
983585;1421687390;assbot;Request successful, get your OTP: http://w.b-a.link/otp/f9de3c72f76f614e
983586;1421687391;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1zrM6KW )
983587;1421687391;assbot;Logged on 19-01-2015 15:27:37; Rozal: I apologize, yes im a big liar who got mad because cazalla messes up my perfect ratings
983588;1421687391;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1zrM5qv )
983589;1421687413;davout;poor guy will end up with a -200 global rating
983590;1421687431;BingoBoingo;!v assbot:BingoBoingo.rate.Rozal.-10:e8cff8dc4301540ac33879fdae27da2f82b391e7da5b599ef4df0db73c2eab22
983591;1421687431;assbot;Successfully updated the rating for Rozal from -10 to -10 with note: Fabricated theft allegations http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/Rozal_allegation Confessed http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=19-01-2015#983318 Full Indictment http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/Rozal_Indictment
983592;1421687437;davout;if he's lucky it'll overflow back to some positive rating :D
983593;1421687462;BingoBoingo;depends on how big total rating maxint is
983594;1421687603;kakobrekla;it goes up to 11
983595;1421687608;BingoBoingo;If he wants to debate this he can do it in a public channel. Given he has fabricated allegations before I want to make it unambiguously clear that I will not engage him privately.
983596;1421687612;BingoBoingo;Too high risk.
983597;1421687631;davout;BingoBoingo: what's the risk? some derp negrating you?
983598;1421687650;BingoBoingo;davout: Some Derp fabricating a scam and negrating me.
983599;1421687663;BingoBoingo;He's already negrated me. Nothing to lose there.
983600;1421687763;BingoBoingo;This time he was caught in his lie because he was sloppy. The next time he does it he probably won't be so sloppy.
983601;1421688069;thestringpuller;BingoBoingo: better or worse than flappy plane?
983602;1421688122;BingoBoingo;thestringpuller: He never PM'd me. worse than flappy plane though http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/Rozal_Indictment
983603;1421688122;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1zrNY6j )
983604;1421688172;*;BingoBoingo thinks this could have been a perfect use of deedbot
983605;1421688197;BingoBoingo;For the much stronger timestamping
983606;1421688202;danielpbarron;BingoBoingo, you are setting a v.nice standard for this sort of situation
983607;1421688230;BingoBoingo;danielpbarron: I've always had this standard ready. There was jsut never a situation for it.
983608;1421688251;davout;BingoBoingo: you can already timestamp some stuff and get deedbot to accept it later as previously timestamped, that is, if the bundle structure is already defined
983609;1421688287;thestringpuller;davout: could you elaborate further?
983610;1421688291;BingoBoingo;davout: But why should we remain barbarians defining time as UTC when we can define it in terms of Block height?
983611;1421688311;ben_vulpes;good morning, jihadis
983612;1421688324;mircea_popescu;may allah's 40 cunts be upon you, ben
983613;1421688328;ben_vulpes;without reading any scrollback i agree with BB
983614;1421688343;mircea_popescu;davout how'd thatwork ?
983615;1421688344;ben_vulpes;only 40?!
983616;1421688344;ben_vulpes;scam
983617;1421688347;BingoBoingo;ben_vulpes: Oh, but such good drama this morning
983618;1421688355;davout;you can just sha256 your content, make an address out of that, send a bitcent there, and since that's how deedbot is supposed to work, you get your stuff deedbot-timestamped before deedbot even exists
983619;1421688405;BingoBoingo;But part of the deedbot appeal is also hosting the deeds as a stronger pastebin/dpaste alternative.
983620;1421688411;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9600 @ 0.00049167 = 4.72 BTC [+]
983621;1421688438;mircea_popescu;davout sure. so ?
983622;1421688474;davout;BingoBoingo: sure, but if your timestamping respects deedbot's spec just get it included along
983623;1421688475;mircea_popescu;it won't show up on its website, but supposedly you dun care
983624;1421688480;mircea_popescu;well no
983625;1421688515;BingoBoingo;!up bitstein
983626;1421688526;davout;what matters is the way it works, not the specific implementation that actually works the way it is specified, just my 2 bitcents anyway
983627;1421688553;mircea_popescu;people should be able to sign independently of the notary, and should be able to mock its formality, sure.
983628;1421688639;davout;the notary doesn't sign does it?
983629;1421688651;mircea_popescu;nop
983630;1421688669;davout;the way i saw it was that it'd just be a manually-made lord-signed deed, rather than one compiled by an IRC bot
983631;1421688684;mircea_popescu;right
983632;1421688708;mircea_popescu;unwitnessed, as it were.
983633;1421688715;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 37205 @ 0.00047812 = 17.7885 BTC [-] {2} 
983634;1421688721;Apocalyptic;davout sounds right, deedbot can verify a payment was made to that address and hence include it retrospectively
983635;1421688736;mircea_popescu;no.
983636;1421688741;davout;well, blockchain is the witness here, or am i missing sthg?
983637;1421688745;mircea_popescu;yes, you are.
983638;1421688760;mircea_popescu;if you come hither with a signed statement saying "the coin will fall tails" i won't particularly care
983639;1421688774;mircea_popescu;because for all i know you signed a "coin will fall heads" statement too and aren't sharing that one.
983640;1421688786;Apocalyptic;aha, I get it
983641;1421688788;mircea_popescu;the notary keeps a list of all the items it was sent a certain way.
983642;1421688805;mircea_popescu;you're free to sign whatever matter a similar way, but it won't be thus notarized. it will just be your own mock-up of the process.
983643;1421688812;mircea_popescu;which is fine, but as far as i see toothless.
983644;1421688833;davout;well, in that case it doesn't really make sense to me that the notary doesn't GPG-sign
983645;1421688835;Apocalyptic;the content has to be made public and witnessed by others at the time it's timestamped
983646;1421688861;mircea_popescu;it does make sense. because the trust does not derive from a robotic application of a gpg seal.
983647;1421688893;mircea_popescu;anyway, i got a meeting, we'll have to continue this debte in a few hours.
983648;1421688895;davout;more from the fact that folks you trust are looking at deeds being timestamped
983649;1421688916;davout;amirite
983650;1421688999;davout;also there was another thing regarding deedbot, if all deeds are simply concatenated before being hashed into a bitcoin private key, that means anyone watching the process taking place can deduce the bitcoin private key that's going to be generated, and claim the coins that'll be sent there
983651;1421689019;ben_vulpes;that's a feature, davout
983652;1421689056;BingoBoingo;!up Zarathul
983653;1421689066;davout;ben_vulpes: you might just as well spend that back to deedbot's wallet by broadcasting a second transaction at the same time
983654;1421689777;ben_vulpes;davout: talk to the specwriter, but i believe the thing acts as a btc spigot so as to incentivize auditing of its behavior.
983655;1421690034;mats;whos getting out of bed for 0.0001btc?
983656;1421690143;davout;mats: lol, a bot
983657;1421690205;davout;not that i see this as a design flaw or somesuch, jsut
983658;1421690230;davout;just wondering if there was a specific reason it wasn't mentioned in the spec
983659;1421690235;ben_vulpes;0.001 btc is a pizza today, and a nuke sub in five decades
983660;1421690286;ben_vulpes;(or two centuries. pick your timeframe).
983661;1421690307;davout;if there's actually one deed bundle per hour that'll amount to
983662;1421690314;davout;;;calc 0.0001*24*365
983663;1421690315;gribble;0.876
983664;1421690325;davout;hah
983665;1421690325;undata;davout: that occurred to me as well
983666;1421690328;ben_vulpes;not bad for running a bot
983667;1421690331;mats;;;calc .001*[ticker --last]
983668;1421690335;gribble;0.21289
983669;1421690346;undata;I was also wondering whether one might want to salt the generated private key somehow so it's harder to guess
983670;1421690350;mats;hardly a pizza
983671;1421690351;davout;mats: you need an extra 0
983672;1421690367;davout;undata: yep, my thought too
983673;1421690389;davout;but if it's really like 1btc/year worst case you might as well consider it as burned
983674;1421690409;Apocalyptic;undata, ? the purpose is that everyone can hash the bundle and verify the address indeed matches
983675;1421690434;undata;Apocalyptic: yeah, that ruins that without later revealing the salt
983676;1421690440;davout;Apocalyptic: the idea is to reveal the salt, but only after the bitcoin has been claimed back from the bundle-related addy, not keep it secret forever
983677;1421690440;ben_vulpes;mats: "pizza", "chump change" you pedantic nerd
983678;1421690441;undata;the two transations thing seems fine
983679;1421690464;Apocalyptic;davout, claimed back by whom ?
983680;1421690465;davout;mats: 1000 btc used to also be hardly a pizza
983681;1421690476;davout;Apocalyptic: by deedbot
983682;1421690487;undata;davout: you could just wait to upload after the second transaction confirms
983683;1421690490;Apocalyptic;afaik ben_vulpes is correct, it's a feature that icentivies 3rd parties to verify
983684;1421690506;Apocalyptic;so you would not want deedbot to take it back
983685;1421690515;davout;^ that sounds like something good
983686;1421690516;ben_vulpes;mats: do you not get the pizza reference?
983687;1421690523;undata;Apocalyptic: ah
983688;1421690558;davout;if someone pops in here one day and says "o i can't pick up deedbot's crumbs anymore" you have a problem somewhere
983689;1421690559;mats;i got it
983690;1421690747;ben_vulpes;<mats> [] http://beforeitsnews.com/markets/2015/01/bill-clinton-and-underage-sex-slaves-this-could-be-the-end-for-hillarys-presidential-run-in-2016-2477774.html << since when did "whore" get replaced with "sex slave"?
983691;1421690748;assbot;Bill Clinton And Underage Sex Slaves – This Could Be The End For Hillary’s Presidential Run In 2016 | Markets ... ( http://bit.ly/17YWmP6 )
983692;1421690775;mats;women don't have agency, man
983693;1421690782;mats;don't you know anything
983694;1421690974;ben_vulpes;<chetty> [] http://news.yahoo.com/argentine-prosecutor-accused-fernandez-iran-plot-found-dead-073033179.html << scawwy
983695;1421690976;assbot;Argentine prosecutor who accused Fernandez of Iran plot found dead - Yahoo News ... ( http://bit.ly/17YWONw )
983696;1421691445;ben_vulpes;<mircea_popescu> [] hm. turns out i don't actually understand what merged mining actually is. << welcome to my club of ignorance
983697;1421692932;mircea_popescu;!up Zarathul
983698;1421692970;mircea_popescu;<davout> just wondering if there was a specific reason it wasn't mentioned in the spec << so people can have fun.
983699;1421693078;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes you don't understand, she was almost under 18 at the time and she didn't agree to switch positions!
983700;1421693084;mircea_popescu;RAPE CULTURE
983701;1421693125;mircea_popescu;lol@fuckyou.biz sez "this article is fucking stupid and i hope it was written as a joke to piss off nerds"
983702;1421693127;*;ben_vulpes can't cope with the constantly moving targets
983703;1421693132;mircea_popescu;apparently fuckyou is now a biznis
983704;1421693928;thestringpuller;"the right for people to freely trade with each other without anybody interfering with the transaction"
983705;1421694083;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16600 @ 0.00048359 = 8.0276 BTC [+]
983706;1421694257;ben_vulpes;magit file notify doesn't work on os x.
983707;1421694307;ben_vulpes;when i'm rich and can read and fuck and code on whatever pleases me all day i'm going to write MY OWN OS
983708;1421694327;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30050 @ 0.00047296 = 14.2124 BTC [-]
983709;1421694815;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20999 @ 0.00048359 = 10.1549 BTC [+]
983710;1421695030;BingoBoingo;http://nypost.com/2015/01/13/principal-wants-to-stockpile-canned-foods-as-weapons-against-intruders/
983711;1421695031;assbot;Principal wants to stockpile canned foods — as weapons against intruders | New York Post ... ( http://bit.ly/1BWuSVK )
983712;1421695303;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 75750 @ 0.00047292 = 35.8237 BTC [-] {2} 
983713;1421695852;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24800 @ 0.00047284 = 11.7264 BTC [-]
983714;1421696041;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes so like stan ?
983715;1421696279;BingoBoingo;http://qntra.net/2015/01/spammer-escalates-to-murder/
983716;1421696280;assbot;Spammer Escalates to Murder | Qntra.net ... ( http://bit.ly/1BWCck7 )
983717;1421696584;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 94700 @ 0.00049188 = 46.581 BTC [+] {3} 
983718;1421696598;ben_vulpes;yeah, mebbe he gets to it first. he'd certainly do a better job.
983719;1421696699;BingoBoingo;ben_vulpes would prolly rather prototype some chips at 1 meter process size.
983720;1421696951;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 49516 @ 0.0004939 = 24.456 BTC [+] {2} 
983721;1421696967;BingoBoingo;Fabricating diodes in the shop.
983722;1421697248;ben_vulpes;BingoBoingo: lol you know me so well
983723;1421697360;BingoBoingo;ben_vulpes creator of artisan chips at scale.
983724;1421697367;BingoBoingo;!up cazalla
983725;1421697423;cazalla;if it wasn't already clear, i didn't steal/recieve/transact with that Rozal guy
983726;1421697508;BingoBoingo;It's clear. He admitted to fabricating the allegation.
983727;1421697512;davout;;;getrating Rozas
983728;1421697513;gribble;Use the gettrust command instead. See http://wiki.bitcoin-otc.com/wiki/OTC_Rating_System#Relying_on_the_rating
983729;1421697526;davout;fuck you gribble, when i say getrating, i mean getrating
983730;1421697545;BingoBoingo;;;getrating Rozal
983731;1421697546;gribble;Use the gettrust command instead. See http://wiki.bitcoin-otc.com/wiki/OTC_Rating_System#Relying_on_the_rating
983732;1421697550;davout;;;getrating Rozas --no-seriously
983733;1421697550;gribble;Use the gettrust command instead. See http://wiki.bitcoin-otc.com/wiki/OTC_Rating_System#Relying_on_the_rating
983734;1421697588;davout;;;ident Rozas
983735;1421697588;gribble;Error: I am not seeing this user on IRC. If you want information about a registered gpg user, try the 'gpg info' command instead.
983736;1421697595;davout;;;gpg info Rozas
983737;1421697597;gribble;No such user registered.
983738;1421697602;TomServo;Am I crazy for suggesting that assbot be subordinate to gribble until the exchange of ratings is sorted out?
983739;1421697611;davout;urgh fuck me
983740;1421697616;BingoBoingo;;;gpg info Rozal
983741;1421697616;gribble;User 'Rozal', with keyid 1C6C480917AD74D9, fingerprint D80FB0CF5F65CDC0EC40AF051C6C480917AD74D9, and bitcoin address 1DUDE1aJyNEcV1iqKA3SUqJB3QaWUfoFNz, registered on Thu Jan 17 08:51:26 2013, last authed on Mon Jan 19 09:36:57 2015. http://b-otc.com/vg?nick=Rozal . Currently authenticated from hostmask Rozal!uid50160@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-vqjwtzzpstsnaybo .
983742;1421697622;BingoBoingo;;;rated Rozal
983743;1421697623;gribble;You rated user Rozal on Mon Jan 19 12:09:29 2015, with a rating of -10, and supplied these additional notes: Fabricated theft allegations http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/Rozal_allegation Confessed http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=19-01-2015#983318 Full Indictment http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/Rozal_Indictment.
983744;1421697626;davout;BingoBoingo: t
983745;1421697628;davout;ty
983746;1421697639;BingoBoingo;That last letter is the hardest
983747;1421697674;davout;kek
983748;1421699279;mircea_popescu;<TomServo> Am I crazy for suggesting that assbot be subordinate to gribble until the exchange of ratings is sorted out? << why would it be ?
983749;1421699363;BingoBoingo;I've just assumed until it sorts out that rating twice is generally the best practice for most ratings
983750;1421699369;TomServo;mircea_popescu: Things seemed to be getting messy with the drama earlier.  Having to rate in two places.
983751;1421699407;mircea_popescu;well obv that's optional. as the wot decentralizes, one can be part of as many / all of them.
983752;1421699452;mircea_popescu;that they talk to each other is a convenience, and i guess best practice, but not really a necessity.
983753;1421699515;mircea_popescu;actually i guess it depends on teh wisdom / celerity of teh admins currently involved if the future will hold it as best practice or just you know, that thing that might have been useful but never took off.
983754;1421699589;BingoBoingo;Sure. I for example entered the Rozal rating on both WoTs because the information is immidiately useful to both #bitcoin-assets as lulz material and #bitcoin-otc as a leper's bell around the person's neck.
983755;1421699643;mircea_popescu;makes sense
983756;1421699646;kakobrekla;basically ba wot is lulz is what you are saying
983757;1421699711;BingoBoingo;kakobrekla: In this case. DOn't see the dude around here, so I only know him noa for the laffs
983758;1421699720;danielpbarron;not just lulz, Rozal can still voice himself in here
983759;1421699810;kakobrekla;correction, useless lulz!
983760;1421699857;mircea_popescu;kakobrekla ima send you alum cakes!
983761;1421699870;BingoBoingo;Well, if he does Rozal can try to argue why his slander is good like kakobrekla's slander even though kakobrekla's slander is right and Rozal's slander is lies.
983762;1421699939;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15566 @ 0.00047284 = 7.3602 BTC [-]
983763;1421699998;jurov;!rated kakobrekla
983764;1421699998;assbot;You rated user kakobrekla on 22-Apr-2014, with a rating of 4, and supplied these additional notes: runs several solid btc enterprises (bit4x,bitbet,panacea,...);we met IRL.
983765;1421700021;jurov;!rate kakobrekla NaN at loss of words
983766;1421700021;assbot;Rating should be any non zero value between 10 and -10.
983767;1421700039;jurov;!rate kakobrekla -0.0 at loss of words
983768;1421700039;assbot;Rating should be any non zero value between 10 and -10.
983769;1421700059;jurov;!rate kakobrekla 4.00001 at loss of words
983770;1421700059;assbot;Rating should be any non zero value between 10 and -10.
983771;1421700067;jurov;okay
983772;1421700091;mircea_popescu;we been through this yest
983773;1421700211;jurov;i'm still in yest with the log
983774;1421700366;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 66000 @ 0.00047039 = 31.0457 BTC [-] {2} 
983775;1421700721;jurov;and why assbot isn't replying with these incredibly useful fortune quips?
983776;1421700728;jurov;"Invalid verfication(sic) string" is so ... 70s
983777;1421700775;mircea_popescu;^
983778;1421700790;mircea_popescu;kakobrekla add more slovenian to assbot!
983779;1421700880;kakobrekla;because its harder to debug
983780;1421700910;mircea_popescu;i thought slovenian ate bug.
983781;1421700948;kakobrekla;not if worm is found.
983782;1421700956;mircea_popescu;!b 7
983783;1421700957;assbot;Last 7 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/3DYSV1P.txt )
983784;1421700961;BingoBoingo;What about doormouse?
983785;1421701036;kakobrekla;those are out of session.
983786;1421701098;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 63750 @ 0.00046935 = 29.9211 BTC [-] {2} 
983787;1421701241;BingoBoingo;Ah, I need to engineer sessionless doormouse sometime.
983788;1421701266;mircea_popescu;sessionless is either door or mouse
983789;1421701273;mircea_popescu;can't match them unless session
983790;1421701300;kakobrekla;and they are great to make ushanka from
983791;1421701334;mircea_popescu;i thought ushanka is made out of policewoman snatch.
983792;1421701346;kakobrekla;not here
983793;1421701464;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17450 @ 0.00047081 = 8.2156 BTC [+]
983794;1421701769;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23779 @ 0.00047081 = 11.1954 BTC [+]
983795;1421701910;jurov;here it's done from roof hares
983796;1421701919;mircea_popescu;!up nubbins`
983797;1421701924;mircea_popescu;dja know how to voice nubs ?
983798;1421702180;nubbins`;hi
983799;1421702186;nubbins`;nothin to say ;D
983800;1421702209;nubbins`;http://i.imgur.com/el8ljYZ.jpg
983801;1421702210;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/15ndnli )
983802;1421702220;nubbins`;^ from a "master wood carver" on the forums who "hand carves" his designs
983803;1421702268;nubbins`;note how the surface design is impossibly beautiful, indicating an inhumanly skilled craftsman, yet the shape of the BTC logo looks as if it was molded in play-doh by a 12yo
983804;1421702340;nubbins`;here's another hilariously mismatched one: https://i.imgur.com/HILYArv.jpg
983805;1421702342;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/15neaCH )
983806;1421702928;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18000 @ 0.0004722 = 8.4996 BTC [+] {2} 
983807;1421703125;jurov;handcarved by laser
983808;1421703165;fluffypony;aren't we 3D printing wood yet?
983809;1421703210;kakobrekla;so thats how you destroy good piece of wood
983810;1421703416;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 59973 @ 0.00046857 = 28.1015 BTC [-] {2} 
983811;1421703477;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14400 @ 0.00048584 = 6.9961 BTC [+]
983812;1421703904;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 62076 @ 0.00048992 = 30.4123 BTC [+] {2} 
983813;1421704025;jurov;well, as i read the asswot discussion, let it be noted btc-dev mailing list will eventually need timely updates of wot database, too
983814;1421704077;jurov;also i must confess, it uses only short key ids internally
983815;1421704758;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 51800 @ 0.00050254 = 26.0316 BTC [+]
983816;1421705125;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 51100 @ 0.00048602 = 24.8356 BTC [-] {2} 
983817;1421706344;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35600 @ 0.00050324 = 17.9153 BTC [+] {3} 
983818;1421706359;thestringpuller;;;seen
983819;1421706359;gribble;(seen [<channel>] <nick>) -- Returns the last time <nick> was seen and what <nick> was last seen saying. <channel> is only necessary if the message isn't sent on the channel itself. <nick> may contain * as a wildcard.
983820;1421706365;thestringpuller;;;seen nubbins`
983821;1421706365;gribble;nubbins` was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 1 hour, 7 minutes, and 5 seconds ago: <nubbins`> here's another hilariously mismatched one: https://i.imgur.com/HILYArv.jpg
983822;1421706386;thestringpuller;nubbins`: I have moar werk for pink eye prints
983823;1421707344;kakobrekla;!shasum wot
983824;1421707344;assbot;sha256sum wot_users.sql.gz : 1e3819c7288865d34fc73ed636fe4880ee2275ed0d85772dc2c67839a2ed47cc
983825;1421707344;assbot;sha256sum wot_ratings.sql.gz : 63fcbe8ada533bae462972e08b0a8388a924036517f3e1912415d82eba65e814
983826;1421707566;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 39450 @ 0.00050336 = 19.8576 BTC [+]
983827;1421708298;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27000 @ 0.00049866 = 13.4638 BTC [-]
983828;1421708358;ben_vulpes;oh hey that's neat kakobrekla
983829;1421708358;assbot;Need at least one argument, example: 'wot'. 
983830;1421708596;davout;!rate kakobrekla 1/0 cool wot bro
983831;1421708596;assbot;Searching pgp.mit.edu for key with fingerprint: 291237F37A2C023CADBED52513288EAB01713428. This may take a few moments.
983832;1421708597;assbot;Key 01713428 / "Paymium Support <support@paymium.com>" successfully imported.
983833;1421708597;assbot;Request successful, get your OTP: http://w.b-a.link/otp/0dfa4210ab9a2da2
983834;1421708597;assbot;Need at least one argument, example: 'wot'. 
983835;1421708650;davout;oh noes, it took the wrong primary id
983836;1421708650;assbot;Need at least one argument, example: 'wot'. 
983837;1421708844;davout;!rate kakobrekla 1/0 cool wot bro
983838;1421708844;assbot;Request successful, get your OTP: http://w.b-a.link/otp/1643ea22c0658764
983839;1421708844;assbot;Need at least one argument, example: 'wot'. 
983840;1421708871;kakobrekla;wait whut
983841;1421708871;assbot;Need at least one argument, example: 'wot'. 
983842;1421708871;davout;kakobrekla: can you force a reimport of my key?
983843;1421708871;assbot;Need at least one argument, example: 'wot'. 
983844;1421708879;kakobrekla;lol
983845;1421708886;kakobrekla;wtf is with assbot
983846;1421708886;assbot;Need at least one argument, example: 'wot'. 
983847;1421708892;kakobrekla;shut up
983848;1421708892;assbot;Need at least one argument, example: 'wot'. 
983849;1421708899;davout;assbot is getting crehzy
983850;1421708899;assbot;Need at least one argument, example: 'wot'. 
983851;1421708913;danielpbarron;!down assbot
983852;1421708913;assbot;Need at least one argument, example: 'wot'. 
983853;1421708931;davout;s/assbot/dosbot/
983854;1421709105;davout;maybe we should bring assbot to the bot doctor
983855;1421709105;assbot;Need at least one argument, example: 'wot'. 
983856;1421709156;kakobrekla;davout reimport of same key ?
983857;1421709193;davout;kakobrekla: yeah, i fucked my key up, put paymium support as primary id, fixed it and re-pushed it to key server, it's just aesthetics
983858;1421709278;kakobrekla;well i can delete it from keyring and it will be imported again next time you run command
983859;1421709292;kakobrekla;or !change key to x and from x to back to what you have now
983860;1421709302;davout;kakobrekla: if you can delete that's cool
983861;1421709309;davout;as long as the ratings stay
983862;1421709316;kakobrekla;yea
983863;1421709331;davout;so you have some logic to handle colliding key ids?
983864;1421709349;davout;wait no
983865;1421709363;kakobrekla;key id is presumed to be not uncollidable
983866;1421709366;davout;you already have the fingerprints from gribble amirite
983867;1421709373;kakobrekla;i mean fp
983868;1421709376;kakobrekla;i use only fp
983869;1421709386;davout;that you got from gribble
983870;1421709389;kakobrekla;yea
983871;1421709418;kakobrekla;http://bitcoin-otc.com/viewgpg.php?nick=davout
983872;1421709419;assbot;#bitcoin-otc gpg key data ... ( http://bit.ly/1xqD4Z1 )
983873;1421709430;kakobrekla;assbot> Searching pgp.mit.edu for key with fingerprint: 291237F37A2C023CADBED52513288EAB01713428. This may take a few moments.
983874;1421709442;davout;yea mp's link about an actual demo of key id collision attack with puppetlab's key looked pretty scary
983875;1421709473;davout;!rate kakobrekla 1/0 cool wot bro
983876;1421709473;assbot;Request successful, get your OTP: http://w.b-a.link/otp/a5e8c564d3f8bdc6
983877;1421709481;kakobrekla;hold on a sec
983878;1421709486;kakobrekla; i didnt remove it yet
983879;1421709502;davout;assbot: you feeling better?
983880;1421709510;assbot; a bit
983881;1421709524;davout;assbot: good
983882;1421709551;assbot; its hard work, i hardly get any sleep
983883;1421709671;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 43400 @ 0.00050353 = 21.8532 BTC [+] {2} 
983884;1421709853;kakobrekla;davout key cleared
983885;1421710019;davout;kakobrekla: danke schön
983886;1421710028;davout;!rate kakobrekla 1/0 cool wot bro
983887;1421710028;assbot;Searching pgp.mit.edu for key with fingerprint: 291237F37A2C023CADBED52513288EAB01713428. This may take a few moments.
983888;1421710029;assbot;Key 01713428 / "David FRANCOIS (E-mail) <david@bitcoin-central.net>" successfully imported.
983889;1421710029;assbot;Request successful, get your OTP: http://w.b-a.link/otp/98431d066034acb0
983890;1421710055;davout;!v assbot:davout.rate.kakobrekla.1/0:27df5d8b4242724bfb6271ceb46ada8c7a7c443abc96a009ed9aed2b7d5f14ad
983891;1421710055;assbot;Successfully updated the rating for kakobrekla from 3 to 1/0 with note: cool wot bro
983892;1421710074;davout;so 1/0 is a valid integer nao?
983893;1421710082;PeterL;it lets you use 1/0 as a number now?
983894;1421710089;kakobrekla;shut the fuck up.
983895;1421710095;davout;!b 3
983896;1421710096;assbot;Last 3 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/1S68XZ5.txt )
983897;1421710105;kakobrekla;!gettrust davout kakobrekla
983898;1421710105;assbot;Trust relationship from user davout to user kakobrekla: Level 1: 1, Level 2: 22 via 9 connections. | http://w.b-a.link/trust/davout/kakobrekla | http://w.b-a.link/user/kakobrekla
983899;1421710113;kakobrekla;  [rating] => 1
983900;1421710115;davout;1/0 is an alias for $MOON
983901;1421710122;davout;!rate kakobrekla 3 cool wot bro
983902;1421710122;assbot;Request successful, get your OTP: http://w.b-a.link/otp/82083d73fa5699f5
983903;1421710194;davout;!v assbot:davout.rate.kakobrekla.3:550c72dc47e3a32e0d797a9953ebb1f8bbc90308e8a7f02d95f406f6d0cc7f9e
983904;1421710194;assbot;Successfully updated the rating for kakobrekla from 1 to 3 with note: cool wot bro
983905;1421710952;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9600 @ 0.00050391 = 4.8375 BTC [+]
983906;1421711074;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30850 @ 0.00050417 = 15.5536 BTC [+] {2} 
983907;1421711189;kakobrekla;!rate assbot 1/0
983908;1421711189;assbot;Request successful, get your OTP: http://w.b-a.link/otp/0ecad1a5b37446fc
983909;1421711205;kakobrekla;aha it gets taken out earlier
983910;1421711210;kakobrekla;meh too lazy.
983911;1421711592;kakobrekla;otp will show correctly now.
983912;1421711601;kakobrekla;otp header
983913;1421712255;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24850 @ 0.00050418 = 12.5289 BTC [+]
983914;1421714396;danielpbarron;http://www.toothycat.net/~hologram/Turing/HowItWorks.html
983915;1421714396;assbot;Magic: the Gathering is Turing Complete ... ( http://bit.ly/1B9Elap )
983916;1421715195;pete_dushenski;http://www.contravex.com/2015/01/19/the-ultimate-status-symbol/ << mah new toy.
983917;1421715196;assbot;The ultimate status symbol. | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski ... ( http://bit.ly/1B9GtPG )
983918;1421715365;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 45746 @ 0.00050579 = 23.1379 BTC [+] {2} 
983919;1421715426;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3854 @ 0.00051413 = 1.9815 BTC [+]
983920;1421716079;jurov;sooo... if i need to have fresh data for btc-dev, i'm supposed to query http://w.b-a.link/trust/assbot/<nick/fingerprint>
983921;1421716138;jurov;but how i'm getting them out ouf short keyid... pull it from keyserver, i guess
983922;1421716219;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 10 @ 0.12000001 = 1.2 BTC [-]
983923;1421716240;jurov;good riddance
983924;1421716296;kakobrekla;you should search by fp on keyserver
983925;1421716305;jurov;just to be sure, may i consider http://w.b-a.link/trust/ api stable?
983926;1421716306;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1B9J3F8 )
983927;1421716327;kakobrekla;idk
983928;1421716711;jurov;why idk?
983929;1421716759;kakobrekla;well its stable as in online but if you need something changed for example i would do it if its reasonable
983930;1421716946;jurov;no such need so far. what format is it?
983931;1421717106;kakobrekla;which ?
983932;1421717133;mircea_popescu;;;later tell MetatronOne da
983933;1421717134;gribble;The operation succeeded.
983934;1421717243;jurov;the trust output
983935;1421717313;jurov;[meta] => Array < this stuff
983936;1421717319;kakobrekla;in http://w.b-a.link/trust/assbot/kakobrekla and http://w.b-a.link/trust/assbot/kakobrekla/json
983937;1421717320;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1B9L6ZZ )
983938;1421717322;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1B9L704 )
983939;1421717330;kakobrekla;use json
983940;1421717332;kakobrekla;to parse
983941;1421717337;kakobrekla;second link
983942;1421717339;jurov;ahh yes
983943;1421717441;mircea_popescu;<jurov> also i must confess, it uses only short key ids internally << this should be fixed, and rly shouldn't be to hard to.
983944;1421717460;mircea_popescu;<ben_vulpes> oh hey that's neat kakobrekla << werd.
983945;1421717487;jurov;!ident jurov
983946;1421717500;jurov;^ would be good to have
983947;1421717510;kakobrekla;there is no session
983948;1421717559;mircea_popescu;<assbot> its hard work, i hardly get any sleep << sleep is for pussy!
983949;1421717571;jurov;we are assuming that whoever has voice is properly identified?
983950;1421717582;jurov;quite a shaky assumption
983951;1421717603;kakobrekla;idk who is assuming that
983952;1421717633;mircea_popescu;ahh its so great to be back in the irc seat.
983953;1421717648;jurov;so no assumptions and ask the counterparty directly for proper signature. i see
983954;1421717694;kakobrekla;if its signature worthy you ask for signature
983955;1421717786;mircea_popescu;jurov it's counterintuitive, but the session thing is not actually increasing security.
983956;1421717835;jurov;i agree, but since it's sop since -otc, needs to be said explicitly
983957;1421717865;mircea_popescu;yeh. it was and wil be repeated i m sure.
983958;1421718019;mircea_popescu;o hey, pete got a mertz ?
983959;1421718108;pete_dushenski;yup!
983960;1421718123;pete_dushenski;5.6L V8
983961;1421718129;mircea_popescu;not bad.
983962;1421718134;pete_dushenski;same as that owned by gorbachev and hussein
983963;1421718138;pete_dushenski;good company, that
983964;1421718155;asciilifeform;pete_dushenski: i can't comment on whether gorby owns one, but the photo is clearly on a wash, d.c street
983965;1421718161;asciilifeform;pete_dushenski: i don't think he keeps it here.
983966;1421718174;mircea_popescu;lol
983967;1421718182;asciilifeform;md plates, too
983968;1421718187;asciilifeform;(state of maryland)
983969;1421718191;pete_dushenski;ha
983970;1421718193;asciilifeform;probably rental.
983971;1421718202;pete_dushenski;well the story is that he drove one on his first visit to the us
983972;1421718205;pete_dushenski;fell in love with it
983973;1421718230;pete_dushenski;and ordered a bullet-proof model, naturally, as soon as he returned to moscow
983974;1421718242;asciilifeform;iirc that one was auctioned recently ?
983975;1421718246;asciilifeform;or was that his 'zil'
983976;1421718259;pete_dushenski;hm i missed said auction
983977;1421718270;asciilifeform;lol, would have bought it ?
983978;1421718295;pete_dushenski;for the right price, i'll buy anything.
983979;1421718314;asciilifeform;for an even righter price i'll also buy anything.
983980;1421718332;pete_dushenski;you would undercut me, wouldn't you.
983981;1421718358;asciilifeform;neh, the street bum who bids a penny will undercut.
983982;1421718361;asciilifeform;all of us.
983983;1421718368;asciilifeform;(how does this work exactly.)
983984;1421718374;pete_dushenski;lol it doesn't
983985;1421718380;asciilifeform;but yes, congrats. vroom.
983986;1421718396;asciilifeform;does that thing run on ordinary petrol?
983987;1421718398;pete_dushenski;cheers
983988;1421718407;pete_dushenski;oh ya, inordinate amounts of it
983989;1421718420;mircea_popescu;http://cdn.collarspace.com/photos/2179295.jpg << lol nothing like a blonde girl with black eyebrows and landing strip.
983990;1421718421;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1B9Ne3L )
983991;1421718421;pete_dushenski;not sure i would've sprung for it had gas been $1.2/L
983992;1421718455;pete_dushenski;i don't think i'll eke out 400 km of city driving on a 90l tank
983993;1421718470;pete_dushenski;probably more like 600-700km on the highway
983994;1421718473;asciilifeform;good car for fellow who doesn't drive.
983995;1421718500;mircea_popescu;tank isn't that big if memory serves, more like 52, and fuel economy is not that bad, more like 7ish
983996;1421718513;mircea_popescu;so you'd do ~500 km on the 50 liters in the tank
983997;1421718517;pete_dushenski;i drive about 5000km a year so almost "doesn't drive"
983998;1421718522;mircea_popescu;*700
983999;1421718566;pete_dushenski;"23.8-gallon fuel tank"
984000;1421718574;mircea_popescu;http://www.toothycat.net/~hologram/Turing/HowItWorks.html << this person does NOT understand what "turing complete" means.
984001;1421718575;assbot;Magic: the Gathering is Turing Complete ... ( http://bit.ly/1B9NuzL )
984002;1421718604;mircea_popescu;apparently a sack of 20 different apples is "turing complete" if you provide the turing completeness separately
984003;1421718612;mircea_popescu;and allocate the apples to machine states or sumthin
984004;1421718628;asciilifeform;separately ?
984005;1421718672;pete_dushenski;mircea_popescu you're probably thinking of the 300 sel, if not one of the diesels
984006;1421718677;asciilifeform;seems like the question re: the linked article is, can one have the card players compute an arbitrary function (without them knowing) by having them play out a certain position
984007;1421718689;asciilifeform;seems like it purports to show that - yes
984008;1421718697;*;asciilifeform has not checked the proof, just saw this turd
984009;1421718702;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform what he does is, "here's a turing machine, and here's how im painting my game on it. "
984010;1421718714;mircea_popescu;pete_dushenski i was thinking of teh diesel.
984011;1421718718;mircea_popescu;this is gas ?!
984012;1421718737;pete_dushenski;you thought it was a 5.6l diesel?
984013;1421718744;pete_dushenski;it's not a 3/4 ton pickup
984014;1421718750;pete_dushenski;lol ya it's gas
984015;1421718813;mircea_popescu;yeah those had shitty fuel economy.
984016;1421718836;mircea_popescu;back in the 90s the diesels were pretty economical cause diesel was 30% off
984017;1421718857;pete_dushenski;now diesel is all over the place
984018;1421718859;pete_dushenski;often 30% more
984019;1421718878;pete_dushenski;plus, quite underpowered and they never heat up in the winter
984020;1421718885;pete_dushenski;not enough waste heat
984021;1421718908;pete_dushenski;though the diesels are known to last 1,000,000 miles
984022;1421718928;mircea_popescu;hm, nah, it'll heat alright
984023;1421719012;pete_dushenski;at -30C it'll take a while
984024;1421719022;pete_dushenski;by which time you're probably already at your destination
984025;1421719029;pete_dushenski;could take 30 min
984026;1421719056;mircea_popescu;ah yes, i guess that's a point.
984027;1421719060;mircea_popescu;doesn't get that cold in yurp
984028;1421719111;pete_dushenski;ya, it's an entirely canadian consideration
984029;1421719129;pete_dushenski;as is traction in snow, etc.
984030;1421719174;ben_vulpes;<pete_dushenski> it's not a 3/4 ton pickup << lol
984031;1421719177;ben_vulpes;nice acquisition, pete_dushenski
984032;1421719204;mircea_popescu;"Nos numerus sumus et fruges consumere nati."
984033;1421719209;pete_dushenski;not too shabby eh
984034;1421719215;mircea_popescu;"we are statistics, born to consume resources."
984035;1421719222;ben_vulpes;imma put lady v in a mercedes baby wagon here sometime
984036;1421719224;ben_vulpes;you know
984037;1421719228;ben_vulpes;the long ones
984038;1421719230;ben_vulpes;hearses
984039;1421719238;mircea_popescu;get a volvo while at it
984040;1421719241;pete_dushenski;glk ? e-something ?
984041;1421719241;mircea_popescu;and weld them top to top
984042;1421719257;pete_dushenski;i think top gear did that welding game once
984043;1421719361;pete_dushenski;ben_vulpes so when's this baby of yours due ? we've been hearing about it since, what, you tried to use it as an excuse to not go to the third conference ?
984044;1421719388;pete_dushenski;we want to send you toys!
984045;1421719405;ben_vulpes;pete_dushenski: i'm going to the third conference, foo
984046;1421719420;pete_dushenski;well now you are...
984047;1421719426;ben_vulpes;you see the girl's sister's wedding is important enough to shift babymaking around, but not con3
984048;1421719459;ben_vulpes;but can't really say yo
984049;1421719463;ben_vulpes;letting biology do its thing
984050;1421719484;pete_dushenski;that's a fun game at least :)
984051;1421719509;ben_vulpes;myeah
984052;1421719531;ben_vulpes;HAVE FUN NO PRESSURE NOTHING RIDING ON THE OPERATION
984053;1421719550;ben_vulpes;getting creative. it's a blast, honestly.
984054;1421719597;pete_dushenski;lol probably stressful at times but you have to roll with the punches
984055;1421719646;pete_dushenski;it's not like lady v is 35yo and it's crazy crunch time
984056;1421719660;pete_dushenski;might as well enjoy these final months/years of peaceful sleep
984057;1421719672;pete_dushenski;and dink life
984058;1421719957;ben_vulpes;dink < meh
984059;1421719982;ben_vulpes;perhaps you missed the part of the log where i disclosed that lady v is on my personal payroll
984060;1421720147;pete_dushenski;i guess it depends whether your personal payroll includes personal cheques or just payments in kind ;)
984061;1421720245;ben_vulpes;personal cheques would defeat the purpose; then i'd have to pay taxes on money i'd already have paid taxes on.
984062;1421720299;asciilifeform;what's it mean to have a pet on payroll even.
984063;1421720390;pete_dushenski;employee
984064;1421720403;pete_dushenski;professional services rendered
984065;1421720438;mats;papa vulpes
984066;1421720438;pete_dushenski;i mean, it's possible
984067;1421720442;mats;adorbs
984068;1421720444;pete_dushenski;probably -ev tho
984069;1421720468;asciilifeform;why does a pet need money.
984070;1421720506;mats;handbags.
984071;1421720518;asciilifeform;spambags ?
984072;1421720532;kakobrekla;to bring in food. at least in my case.
984073;1421720546;*;asciilifeform almost failed to read 'handbags' because it lodged in his skullcase's spam filter
984074;1421720554;*;kakobrekla hates going to the store.
984075;1421720610;*;asciilifeform would have pet fetch food but it would require teaching pet to drive and issuing a vehicle
984076;1421720619;ben_vulpes;yeah well there you go
984077;1421720621;ben_vulpes;mine has her own
984078;1421720624;ben_vulpes;and does the cooking too
984079;1421720634;asciilifeform;cooking - yes
984080;1421720636;ben_vulpes;easily delegable all sorts of household tasks
984081;1421720713;ben_vulpes;girl basically runs the household
984082;1421720725;ben_vulpes;no reason to not provide adequate expense accounts to ensure everything gets done
984083;1421720751;ben_vulpes;wait - skullcase?
984084;1421720755;ben_vulpes;nm.
984085;1421720775;kakobrekla;here you dont need a car to go to the store.
984086;1421720775;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: srsly, how often does one see word 'handbag' outside of spam.
984087;1421720802;kakobrekla;actually it would take longer with the car than by foot.
984088;1421720845;asciilifeform;kakobrekla: the only thing one can reliably get to where i live, without a motor, is 'convenience stores' which largely sell recycled food
984089;1421720850;mats;must be nice living in a first world country
984090;1421720872;kakobrekla;i live in this valley http://www.slotrips.si/sis-mapa/skupina_doc/slo/objava_datoteke/1327004782_0_cerknisko_jezero4_prikaz_objave_glava.jpg
984091;1421720874;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/17ZCXxL )
984092;1421720934;asciilifeform;kakobrekla: woah. colour.
984093;1421720982;kakobrekla;kinda near those houses on the left http://www.slotrips.si/sis-mapa/skupina_doc/slo/galerija/1323110606_6622_panorama1a.jpg
984094;1421720984;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/17ZD7VJ )
984095;1421721084;kakobrekla;its sorta famous place, lots of pics.
984096;1421721101;mats;looks idyllic
984097;1421721278;kakobrekla;from the top of the hill http://www.burger.si/Cerknica/CerkniskoJezero_Slivnica.JPG
984098;1421721279;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1xrp5C0 )
984099;1421721291;kakobrekla;nuff of spamming
984100;1421721570;kakobrekla;!up felipelalli
984101;1421721620;felipelalli;Can I write an article in Portuguese to qntra.net? Someone can translate it to English to me and I make the final review?
984102;1421721685;kakobrekla;ping mircea_popescu BingoBoingo
984103;1421721720;felipelalli;ok! Thank you kakobrekla
984104;1421721746;kakobrekla;actually i was pinging them for their attention for you
984105;1421721775;kakobrekla;just sit down and wait till someone appropriate comes around
984106;1421722167;felipelalli;thank you! Let me ask another thing: wouldn't nice if this page (default 404): http://qntra.net/anything/ (where anything can be anything) was linked somewhere? Like "Search" or "Category" (without the message "Well this is somewhat embarrassing, isn’t it?")? This page is very useful because it shows the categories and the search. I couldn't find a link to search/category page.
984107;1421722167;assbot;Page not found | Qntra.net ... ( http://bit.ly/17ZEKCL )
984108;1421722235;kakobrekla;i think cazalla edits the wp
984109;1421722261;mike_c;why do you want to write in portuguese?
984110;1421722312;mike_c;i believe english is strongly encouraged. from what I remember when the guy wanting to write in italian showed up.
984111;1421722332;mats;i imagine its his native tongur
984112;1421722348;mats;tongue* blasted touchscreen
984113;1421722357;mike_c;reasoning is along the lines of, "the only people you are reaching is the people in italy who haven't bothered to learn english"
984114;1421722449;mats;the net must be a boring place for people who can't read the big three
984115;1421722524;kakobrekla;you mean js css and html ?
984116;1421722583;mats;ofc
984117;1421722594;mike_c;kako, when are we buying our tickets to BA for april?  it's getting late.
984118;1421722622;kakobrekla;you should do comedy i think
984119;1421722633;asciilifeform;kakobrekla will go ?
984120;1421722653;mike_c;i am trying to twist his arm.
984121;1421722742;kakobrekla;!up felipelalli
984122;1421722748;felipelalli;mike_c: because it is my native language and my English is not so good. But I want to write it in Portuguese to someone translate it to me to English, and I make the final review just to see if anything was misundertood.
984123;1421722770;kakobrekla;you english seems fine
984124;1421722771;mike_c;yeah.. not sure who is going to do that translation for you
984125;1421722795;kakobrekla;i mean, fine enough for english draft at least
984126;1421722809;mike_c;^ i agree.  write it in english and get that reviewed.
984127;1421723085;felipelalli;thank you! : ) I'm gonna try it.
984128;1421723168;mike_c;!gettrust assbot felipelalli
984129;1421723168;assbot;Trust relationship from user assbot to user felipelalli: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. | http://w.b-a.link/trust/assbot/felipelalli | http://w.b-a.link/user/felipelalli
984130;1421723259;mike_c;what's the topic?
984131;1421723320;felipelalli;mike_c: why when I send this command to gribble I receive a different result?
984132;1421723320;felipelalli;01:08:09 - felipelalli: gettrust assbot
984133;1421723320;felipelalli;01:08:10 - gribble: WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user felipelalli to user assbot: Level 1: 1, Level 2: 2 via 1 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=felipelalli&dest=assbot | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=assbot | Rated since: Fri Apr 11 02:04:55 2014
984134;1421723322;assbot;#bitcoin-otc Web of Trust - Trust graph ... ( http://bit.ly/17ZFVlQ )
984135;1421723323;assbot;Rating Details for User 'assbot' ... ( http://bit.ly/17ZFSXg )
984136;1421723349;mike_c;you are doing it the other way
984137;1421723357;mike_c;you trust assbot, the bot doesn't yet trust you
984138;1421723385;felipelalli;mike_c: ah! Ok.
984139;1421723391;felipelalli;mike_c: I want to do an overview of the Bitcoin image in Brazil. I want to show how almost everybody here thinks it is a scam. But for this I use a professional statistical research that costs a fortune.
984140;1421723408;felipelalli;*I want to use
984141;1421723450;felipelalli;I want to hire a statistical company to make a distributed properly research.
984142;1421723451;kakobrekla;i agree, its a scam.
984143;1421723461;kakobrekla;no stat tools needed.
984144;1421723464;mike_c;not even a good scam.  price goes down all the time.
984145;1421723476;kakobrekla;i dont think it ever went up
984146;1421723496;felipelalli;are you kidding, right? :)
984147;1421723520;mike_c;so, if you want to do this research but have not yet, what is the article going to say?
984148;1421723589;felipelalli;I want to write one, just like a dream. Not sure if I will accomplish.
984149;1421723676;kakobrekla;well get to work, dreams wont dream themselfs!
984150;1421723681;mike_c;ah.  well, hit the streets, get 50 random brazilians to answer a survey.  the results of that might be worth an article.
984151;1421723696;mike_c;heh, 50 brazilian.  that's a lot.
984152;1421723708;kakobrekla;there arent that many?
984153;1421723728;felipelalli;no, I had worked in a statistical company, if you say to them that you made that, they gonna kill you! :)
984154;1421723749;felipelalli;the number doesn't matter, but the distribution.
984155;1421723754;mike_c;well, it's just a survey.  confidence interval is +- 2 brazilian
984156;1421723770;TheNewDeal;;;ident
984157;1421723771;gribble;Nick 'TheNewDeal', with hostmask 'TheNewDeal!~TheNewDea@unaffiliated/thenewdeal', is not identified.
984158;1421723772;mats;a what? >30 s'all you need
984159;1421723779;felipelalli;no. If I go to slams it will be one result, if I go to downtown, another totally different.
984160;1421723785;mike_c;30 brazilian?
984161;1421723798;kakobrekla;i think he is saying 1 brazilian is enough
984162;1421723800;felipelalli;*slum
984163;1421723801;kakobrekla;and extrapolate
984164;1421723807;mats;you're not gonna let that go huh mike_c
984165;1421723808;mike_c;oh god.. the accent in my head is killing me.  hilarious
984166;1421723843;TheNewDeal;;;nethash
984167;1421723844;gribble;324390816.001
984168;1421723859;kakobrekla;felipelalli come up with a draft and show it to qntra people is your best bet
984169;1421723880;felipelalli;kakobrekla: thank you! I'll try it.
984170;1421723888;kakobrekla;cool
984171;1421723914;mats;kakobrekla being surprisingly nice and helpful
984172;1421723923;kakobrekla;go fuck yourself
984173;1421723930;mats;:(
984174;1421723935;felipelalli;but maybe you are right, spend money on it can be waste of money. maybe a simple survey can give me the results I need.
984175;1421723959;kakobrekla;aww cmon mats a little joke.
984176;1421723973;mats;im sensitive
984177;1421724000;kakobrekla;then i wont hug you
984178;1421724002;mats;felipelalli: def a waste. what's software gonna do that you can't replicate by hand?
984179;1421724021;mike_c;i'll give mats a brazilian hugs
984180;1421724081;felipelalli;waste of money if I hire that company.
984181;1421724086;mats;not to say there wouldn't be a valid use case. just, what's the point?
984182;1421724089;felipelalli;I have to go, nice to meet you guys. hugs from Brazil.
984183;1421724102;kakobrekla;lol, authentic brazil hugs
984184;1421724108;kakobrekla;ok good luck
984185;1421724113;mats;adorbs
984186;1421724115;felipelalli;thank you kakobrekla
984187;1421724146;mats;this is the most touching moment ive witnessed in #b-a
984188;1421724154;kakobrekla;lol
984189;1421724166;mats;usually its all world domination and biodiesel
984190;1421724210;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 40400 @ 0.00051321 = 20.7337 BTC [-]
984191;1421724340;TheNewDeal;;;seen The20YearIRCloud
984192;1421724340;gribble;The20YearIRCloud was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 6 weeks, 0 days, 5 hours, 5 minutes, and 46 seconds ago: <The20YearIRCloud> Big thing has been to have em look over all the financial documents as we're filing taxes for 2014 next month and I didn't want to submit till they had a good idea of it.
984193;1421724587;TheNewDeal;did !s disappear
984194;1421724629;kakobrekla;!s search
984195;1421724630;assbot;1117 results for 'search' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=search
984196;1421724638;kakobrekla;found it
984197;1421724694;mats;https://major.io/wp-content/uploads/2012/06/RAS_Traceroute_Book_Format.pdf via hn
984198;1421724696;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1ujGGdW )
984199;1421725132;mircea_popescu;<kakobrekla> from the top of the hill << o look, czechoslovenia!
984200;1421725137;mircea_popescu;i mean yugoslovakia
984201;1421725172;mircea_popescu;felipelalli so what did you want to talk about ?
984202;1421725427;mircea_popescu;mats: adorbs << lol. yeh.
984203;1421725532;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes: and does the cooking too << i remember that part.
984204;1421725700;mircea_popescu;mike_c: i believe english is strongly encouraged. from what I remember when the guy wanting to write in italian showed up. << well, nobody speaks italian. brazil speaks portuguese. i don't directly see a problem with it, if the coverage's any good.
984205;1421725717;mircea_popescu;but there'd have to be some sort of serious upfront commitment to it. one article now and again isn'treally worth the hassle.
984206;1421725875;mircea_popescu;felipelalli: But I want to write it in Portuguese to someone translate it to me to English, and I make the final review just to see if anything was misundertood. << this is a non-starter. the person doing the translation can just write their own stuff directly. you're not famous or anything, why'd you imagine someone'd be bothered translating you specifically ?
984207;1421726035;mircea_popescu;talking about bitcoin and scams, http://33.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lsomerrmdp1qh3yiso1_500.gif
984208;1421726037;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1ujHAqS )
984209;1421726345;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14240 @ 0.00051321 = 7.3081 BTC [-]
984210;1421726425;mats;http://i.imgur.com/pkzx0Mt.jpg << kek. reenlisted in a GameStop.
984211;1421726426;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1ujI1l0 )
984212;1421726447;mircea_popescu;whassat ?
984213;1421726470;mats;vidya game store
984214;1421726495;mircea_popescu;i get that part
984215;1421726511;mats;o, hes doing a reenlistment ceremony to reup his contract
984216;1421726514;mircea_popescu;oh
984217;1421726517;mircea_popescu;lol
984218;1421726636;mircea_popescu;felipelalli: I want to hire a statistical company to make a distributed properly research. << there's perhaps better uses to that capital, whatever you'd be spending. seeing how the value of asnwering the "what does brazil think" on whatever topic isn't really that great. i guess it could be a useful demonstration of methodology etc, but that needs some sort of a plan, won't do much as just a shot in the dark.
984219;1421726843;mats;From the pre-close panel at Shmoocon yesterday: "We used to be smarter than the Feds, it used to be a joke, how dumb they are. The NSA and FBI have a lot of smart people working for them now, I think it may be the other way around these days."
984220;1421726871;mircea_popescu;o.O
984221;1421727004;mats;shmoocon was meh this year, though.
984222;1421727146;mats;although James Forshaw's talk was pretty good. i can't seem to find slides online...
984223;1421727174;mats;i think attendees were dazzled by the reproduced ANT tools
984224;1421727205;mats;michael ossmann is the man.
984225;1421727297;mats;http://ossmann.blogspot.com/2014/07/the-nsa-playset.html from july.
984226;1421727299;assbot;mossmann's blog: The NSA Playset ... ( http://bit.ly/1ujIWC9 )
984227;1421727429;mircea_popescu;mats: usually its all world domination and biodiesel << world biodisomination!
984228;1421727786;mats;http://www.whitehouse.gov/sites/default/files/omb/legislative/letters/updated-law-enforcement-tools.pdf << this'd be p good for a qntra article BingoBoingo
984229;1421727788;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1ujJyaF )
984230;1421727842;mats;"SEC. 104. Ensuring Authority for Courts to Shut Down Botnets ..."
984231;1421727852;mats;"(D) violating or about to violate section 1030 of this title where such conduct would affect 100 or more protected computers during any 1-year period, such as (but not limited to) by denying access to or operation of the computers, installing unwanted software on the computers, using the computers without authorization, or obtaining information from the
984232;1421727852;mats;computers without authorization"
984233;1421727880;mats;nmap is now a WMD
984234;1421727897;mircea_popescu;lol
984235;1421727935;mircea_popescu;this entire "forget how the machines work we'll make a legal representaton of how they SHOULD work and then hold you to respect that whether you knew it or not" is such nonsense.
984236;1421727947;asciilifeform;!s monolith
984237;1421727948;assbot;17 results for 'monolith' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=monolith
984238;1421727952;mircea_popescu;basically the proposition is that rather than writing good software, bad software will be translated into law language
984239;1421727972;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-10-2014#885689
984240;1421727972;assbot;Logged on 21-10-2014 01:30:35; asciilifeform: 'As progressively dumber programmers build progressively more complex systems we will see more of this kind of attempt to paper over coding mistakes with lawyers, sanctions, policies, and laws.  Hollywood and the RIAA are usually the most successful at getting the government to do their bidding.  Thus I predict that one day Disney will have a Web site where you can buy access to any of their movies.  
984241;1421727974;mircea_popescu;except, how the fuck will that work ? here's a broken c program, make a basic version of it and then try to enforce it
984242;1421727977;mircea_popescu;BEFORE A JURY
984243;1421727998;mircea_popescu;it's ludicrous as a concept. showing that these idiots posing as "leaders" have the intellectual penetration of frogs.
984244;1421727998;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: lol, have you -seen- an american jury.
984245;1421728007;mircea_popescu;i actually helped slant a couple.
984246;1421728599;mircea_popescu;!up coderwill
984247;1421729242;TheNewDeal;mp, what is the email address that would have sent out a token for trilema?
984248;1421729683;PeterL;TheNewDeal: mine came from office @ polimedia.us
984249;1421729711;TheNewDeal;gracias
984250;1421729906;mircea_popescu;yeah
984251;1421730442;mats;https://join.me/913-747-021
984252;1421730444;assbot;join.me – Free Screen Sharing and Online Meetings ... ( http://bit.ly/1wn0flB )
984253;1421730453;mats;some guy pwning US edu sites.
984254;1421730669;mircea_popescu;that ancient virus now has its own website ?
984255;1421730772;mats;what are you referring to?
984256;1421730893;mircea_popescu;mats http://4eyez95.deviantart.com/journal/THE-join-me-VIRUS-spreading-the-word-ALERT-360596181
984257;1421730894;assbot;THE join.me VIRUS (spreading the word) ALERT!!!! by 4eyez95 on DeviantArt ... ( http://bit.ly/1wn0Rrc )
984258;1421730900;mircea_popescu;(it's a joke)
984259;1421730957;mats;heh
984260;1421731006;mircea_popescu;probably the best infection report on the internets.
984261;1421731009;mats;> Damn hackers! I want to hack them all (my stepdad once set a virus to this dork that was bragging bout his hacking skills, the virus causes your computer to wipe itself cleab each time it turns on or off! Dont worry, he only sent it to that one guy)
984262;1421731225;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25600 @ 0.00051072 = 13.0744 BTC [-]
984263;1421731311;mats;boring stream
984264;1421731355;mircea_popescu;!up coderwill
984265;1421731387;coderwill;Hello
984266;1421731443;mircea_popescu;hi
984267;1421731527;coderwill;mircea_popescu: Is MPEX your exchange?
984268;1421731544;mircea_popescu;yea
984269;1421731619;coderwill;Cool, I remember a few weeks ago arriving on it a couple of months ago - I think Wences Cesares of Xapo mentioned it on Twitter.
984270;1421731635;coderwill;I'm in the early phases of setting up an exchange here in Costa Rica.
984271;1421731661;mircea_popescu;aha
984272;1421731896;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 52650 @ 0.00049584 = 26.106 BTC [-] {3} 
984273;1421731995;coderwill;mircea_popescu: anything you wish you'd known when you first started putting together your exchange that you know now?
984274;1421732982;coderwill;thanks for the temp +v
984275;1421733518;mircea_popescu;coderwill it's not entirely clear what you mean by "exchange", but in any case : what you're looking for has been covered extensively by mpoe-pr on the forum, back in the early days when the sort of nonsense was a lot more prevalent/
984276;1421733529;mircea_popescu;you definitely should read her exhaustively before anything else
984277;1421734275;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 350 @ 0.1137346 = 39.8071 BTC [-] {6} 
984278;1421734930;TheNewDeal;!down TheNewDeal
984279;1421735008;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 10 @ 0.12 = 1.2 BTC [+]
984280;1421737684;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: or was that his 'zil' << zil was auctioned rather recently
984281;1421737934;BingoBoingo;felipelalli: Can I write an article in Portuguese to qntra.net? Someone can translate it to English to me and I make the final review? << It is far easier to clean up iffy English tham translate.
984282;1421738071;BingoBoingo;felipelalli: but maybe you are right, spend money on it can be waste of money. maybe a simple survey can give me the results I need. << Prolly do it in the way that keeps your expenses on this down.
984283;1421738080;BingoBoingo;!up felipelalli
984284;1421738244;mats;http://www.wired.com/2015/01/why-i-hope-congress-never-watches-blackhat/
984285;1421738246;assbot;Why I Hope Congress Never Watches Blackhat | WIRED ... ( http://bit.ly/1zt3jUn )
984286;1421738291;felipelalli;BingoBoingo: thank you, but I was already discouraged enough. I'll think of a way to contribute, I loved the style of qntra.net - and would like to see some original research on it. Do not know why it fascinates me, but the amount of misinformation in the world of bitcoin is incredible, it's hard to trust something without having checked ourselves.
984287;1421738335;BingoBoingo;felipelalli: Well, you are welcome to submit articles for review.
984288;1421738382;felipelalli;BingoBoingo: thank you.
984289;1421738398;mircea_popescu;that's a good point.
984290;1421738406;mircea_popescu;tons of varied nonsense floating about
984291;1421738417;BingoBoingo;I simply lack the nuances of the language to do a great portugese translation. Research would be incredibly welcome though.
984292;1421738505;felipelalli;BingoBoingo: nice to hear that, I'll put my brain to work.
984293;1421738505;scoopbot;New post on Trilema by Mircea Popescu: http://trilema.com/2015/advanced-fucking/
984294;1421738538;mircea_popescu;mats dude, a piece about one kevin poulsen featuring a large picture of said kevin poulsen (who looks like a dork) discussing kevin poulsen and stuff to do with kevin poulsen.
984295;1421738546;mircea_popescu;i can see why he wrote it. wtf is wired doing publishing it
984296;1421738551;mircea_popescu;oh wait. free. right.
984297;1421738567;BingoBoingo;Free is the only price they can afford.
984298;1421738613;BingoBoingo;mats: I'll take a look.
984299;1421738628;BingoBoingo;;;later tell mike_c Thanks
984300;1421738628;gribble;The operation succeeded.
984301;1421739537;mats;yeah its bad
984302;1421739547;mats;like an aquarium
984303;1421741229;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9200 @ 0.00048875 = 4.4965 BTC [-]
984304;1421741534;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 16 @ 0.11120001 = 1.7792 BTC [-]
984305;1421742732;BingoBoingo;Looks like qntra got scooped on this... apparently we don't have enough friends in the SEC https://coinfire.cf/2015/01/19/sec-investigation-of-gaw-miners-underway/
984306;1421742734;assbot;SEC Investigation of GAW Miners Underway ... ( http://bit.ly/1802dUk )
984307;1421745901;fluffypony;cazalla will like this: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2015/01/19/new_carberp_trojan_hits_oz/
984308;1421745902;assbot;AT LAST: Australia gets its very own malware • The Register     ... ( http://bit.ly/1sVrvMI )
984309;1421746414;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4300 @ 0.00048815 = 2.099 BTC [-] {2} 
984310;1421747577;davout;http://fr.scribd.com/doc/253100323/154-1United-States-v-Ross-William-Ulbricht-14-Cr-68
984311;1421747579;assbot;154 1United States v Ross William Ulbricht 14 Cr 68 ... ( http://bit.ly/1sVtfFP )
984312;1421747584;davout;pretty fucking lulzy
984313;1421747613;davout;The Kalyhost customer
984314;1421747613;davout;associated with the “silkroadmarket.org” website
984315;1421747613;davout;, the investigation ultimately revealed, was the
984316;1421747615;davout;defendant
984317;1421747617;davout;. As reflected in t
984318;1421747619;davout;he “who.is” information for the “silkroadmarket.org”
984319;1421747621;davout;website, the name of the website was registered by someone using the
984320;1421747623;davout;name “Richard Page.”
984321;1421747625;davout; (
984322;1421747627;davout;See
984323;1421747629;davout;Ex. C). Based on an examination of the defendant’s
984324;1421747631;davout;laptop subsequent to his arrest, that name is known to be an alias used by the defendant. Specifically, a
984325;1421747633;davout;file recovered from the defendant’s computer, within a folder marked “aliaces” [sic]
984326;1421747635;davout;, reflects the name
984327;1421747637;davout;“Richard Page,”
984328;1421747639;davout; along with a false address included in the contact information used to
984329;1421747641;davout;register the “silkroadmarket.org” domain name. »
984330;1421747643;davout;awshit
984331;1421747648;davout;a pro copypastar is not me
984332;1421747721;davout;"Thus, SA Der-Yeghiayan had noted that a website registered to Mr. Karpeles had a “wiki” page on it (i.e., an FAQ page) that was created using the same version of “wiki” software – “Mediawiki” – used to create the “wiki” page on the Silk Road website."
984333;1421747800;davout;"Similarly, SA Der-Yeghiayan also noticed that a discussion forum known as “bitcointalk.org” –  which SA Der-Yeghiayan believed, based on information from a “confidential informant,” was operated by Mr. Karpeles" <<< whose name starts with 'they' and ends with 'mos'
984334;1421748265;fluffypony;Mark "theymos" Karpeles
984335;1421748549;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5650 @ 0.0005081 = 2.8708 BTC [+]
984336;1421749164;BingoBoingo;Wait so Mark did the Gox, Silk Road, GLBSE, and Bitcointalk scams?
984337;1421749238;fluffypony;and he's actually behind PirateAt40
984338;1421749291;punkman;and he's just wearing a fat suit
984339;1421749313;fluffypony;yeah, bro is cut
984340;1421749315;BingoBoingo;fluffypony: He was the "secret" whatever the fucks Trendon traded with on Torchat.
984341;1421749316;fluffypony;abs for days
984342;1421749326;fluffypony;BingoBoingo: bullseye
984343;1421749359;BingoBoingo;OMG Karpeles was the government plant all along
984344;1421749375;fluffypony;lol
984345;1421749462;punkman;http://siliconangle.com/blog/2015/01/16/bitcoin-payment-processor-egopay-ceases-trading-founders-may-have-stolen-millions/
984346;1421749463;assbot;Bitcoin payment processor EgoPay ceases trading, founders may have stolen millions | SiliconANGLE ... ( http://bit.ly/1GnYL5f )
984347;1421749686;punkman;"Virtex.com Chart is FAKE,it manipulated by Scammer,name is TADAS KASPUTIS,he also the owner of EGOPAY,
984348;1421749686;punkman;TADAS KASPUTIS"
984349;1421749705;fluffypony;well I guess his reputation is also KASPUTIS.
984350;1421749757;punkman;http://cointelegraph.com/storage/uploads/view/fb6778fbec468d8338d9dab224a9c101.jpg
984351;1421749759;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1GnZRhy )
984352;1421750013;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16200 @ 0.0005081 = 8.2312 BTC [+]
984353;1421750406;fluffypony;http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/2t1ca9/coinbase_raises_75_mil_in_the_single_largest_vc/
984354;1421750407;assbot;Coinbase raises 75 mil $ in the single largest VC round for a bitcoin startup : Bitcoin ... ( http://bit.ly/1J2nNoE )
984355;1421750923;fluffypony;!up Elio19
984356;1421750941;Elio19;Thanks fluffypony
984357;1421750951;fluffypony;np
984358;1421750995;Elio19;I thought that if i authed with gribble and sent "!up" to the bot that i would get voice
984359;1421751004;Elio19;but it does not work like that
984360;1421751084;fluffypony;no, you have to have a trust relationship with assbot
984361;1421751088;BingoBoingo;Elio19: You msg assbot !up now, and it gives you a blob to decrypt now
984362;1421751090;fluffypony;;;gettrust assbot Elio19
984363;1421751091;gribble;Currently authenticated from hostmask Elio19!~elio19@gateway/tor-sasl/elio19. Trust relationship from user assbot to user Elio19: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 2 via 2 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=assbot&dest=Elio19 | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=Elio19 | Rated since: Thu Mar  8 00:37:21 2012
984364;1421751098;fluffypony;oh yes I forgot that changed
984365;1421751112;BingoBoingo;Then you reply to assbot with !v thePassword
984366;1421751112;fluffypony;the new-new rating system
984367;1421751193;Elio19;Well i guess thats "almost cool"
984368;1421751193;Elio19;but unnecessarily complicate
984369;1421751199;BingoBoingo;Elio19: http://wiki.bitcoin-assets.com/irc_bots/assbot
984370;1421751200;assbot;irc_bots:assbot [bitcoin assets wiki] ... ( http://bit.ly/1J2qvKF )
984371;1421751203;BingoBoingo;^ updated
984372;1421751365;midnightmagic;punkman: hey man, ease up on the links in here k
984373;1421751887;midnightmagic;eeek
984374;1421751892;midnightmagic;!down
984375;1421751897;midnightmagic;!down midnightmagic
984376;1421751965;Elio19;!up midnightmagic
984377;1421752566;davout;fluffypony: "well I guess his reputation is also KASPUTIS." <<< kek
984378;1421752582;davout;oh, assbot kicks now, that's neat
984379;1421753271;BingoBoingo;davout: Assbot always kicked people who !down themselves
984380;1421753303;davout;learn something new everyday
984381;1421753318;davout;is there a particular reason?
984382;1421753343;BingoBoingo;I dun know/remember. Just something It's done
984383;1421755566;BingoBoingo;!up xanthyos
984384;1421756005;Dizzle;!up nubbins`
984385;1421756012;nubbins`;tyvm
984386;1421756038;nubbins`;http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=7CnYLnSx
984387;1421756039;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1Byddop )
984388;1421756045;nubbins`;https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=930649.0
984389;1421756046;assbot;Scam Warning: WoodCollector ... ( http://bit.ly/1BydgAv )
984390;1421757269;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10100 @ 0.00049936 = 5.0435 BTC [-]
984391;1421760209;mircea_popescu;ahh lovely assbot voice
984392;1421760502;assbot;[MPEX] [FT] [X.EUR] 242 @ 0.00550217 = 1.3315 BTC [+] {3} 
984393;1421762398;nubbins`;what a fuckin process
984394;1421762398;danielpbarron;"I think its perfectly usable for people who are comfortable with bitcoin, but aren't developers or are tech-savvy. You could crowdfund, you know, me and my friends go to a concert and we've got to 'group buy' concert tickets, or group buy a laser tag day or something."  Hearn on his decentralized kickstarter turd
984395;1421762405;nubbins`;https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=930649.msg10216893#msg10216893
984396;1421762406;assbot;Scam Warning: WoodCollector ... ( http://bit.ly/15sbWS2 )
984397;1421762410;nubbins`;"If he have a more powerful laser he could have cut the edge more nicely."
984398;1421762411;nubbins`;my sides!!
984399;1421762457;mircea_popescu;bah, so im writing an article. put down the first paragraph, 800 words worth of notes.
984400;1421762467;mircea_popescu;writing is this exercise in fucking impossibility.
984401;1421764674;scoopbot;New post on Qntra.net by Bingo Boingo: http://qntra.net/2015/01/preview-of-obamas-internet-law-enforcement-proposals/
984402;1421765029;BingoBoingo;http://utcc.utoronto.ca/~cks/space/blog/linux/SystemdCrashAndMore
984403;1421765030;assbot; Chris's Wiki :: blog/linux/SystemdCrashAndMore  ... ( http://bit.ly/1wnQT9b )
984404;1421765950;scoopbot;New post on Qntra.net by Bingo Boingo: http://qntra.net/2015/01/nyse-minority-contributor-in-coinbases-latest-fundraiser/
984405;1421765992;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 25 @ 0.11117555 = 2.7794 BTC [-] {6} 
984406;1421766204;BingoBoingo;;;bc,stats
984407;1421766209;gribble;Current Blocks: 339780 | Current Difficulty: 4.397166205608958E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 340703 | Next Difficulty In: 923 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 0 days, 12 hours, 5 minutes, and 51 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 42294419240.1 | Estimated Percent Change: -3.81437
984408;1421766407;BingoBoingo;https://twitter.com/Badbitcoinorg/status/557481790756360192
984409;1421766408;assbot;OK /CoinFireBlog I've made sure that GAW article is saved on wayback machine, and I've kept a copy as well. Complete BS.
984410;1421767231;scoopbot;New post on Trilema by Mircea Popescu: http://trilema.com/2015/why-representative-democracy-doesnt-work-and-doesnt-make-sense/
984411;1421767871;asciilifeform;http://cluborlov.blogspot.com/2015/01/whiplash.html << mega-lol
984412;1421767872;assbot;ClubOrlov: Whiplash! ... ( http://bit.ly/1CeA3QO )
984413;1421769258;BingoBoingo;!up felipelalli
984414;1421769285;BingoBoingo;!rate felipelalli 1 +v easy come, easy...
984415;1421769285;assbot;Request successful, get your OTP: http://w.b-a.link/otp/135fbc2bd8731912
984416;1421769317;BingoBoingo;!v assbot:BingoBoingo.rate.felipelalli.1:482fa9fe4369a62b557ecf1a16dc802002691c8a51e913ebe7fd4bf94fdaeb64
984417;1421769317;assbot;Successfully added a rating of 1 for felipelalli with note: +v easy come, easy...
984418;1421769341;thestringpuller;soul music. RIP detroit the motor city
984419;1421769642;danielpbarron;idk if it matters since it doesn't sound like there is a need to translate from portugese to english, but i know a guy fluent in both languages
984420;1421769755;xanthyos;ooh i figured it out
984421;1421769770;xanthyos;oh just !v not !verify
984422;1421769785;xanthyos;6 times more efficient to type
984423;1421769808;thestringpuller;;;ident
984424;1421769808;gribble;Nick 'thestringpuller', with hostmask 'thestringpuller!~leflor@unaffiliated/thestringpuller', is identified as user 'thestringpuller', with GPG key id 0FF2943DA179E169, key fingerprint 6ACE36E786F39A4ADC4506DE0FF2943DA179E169, and bitcoin address None
984425;1421769828;thestringpuller;;;rate danielpbarron 2 crypto-priest
984426;1421769829;gribble;Rating entry successful. Your rating of 2 for user danielpbarron has been recorded.
984427;1421769896;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo lulzy twitter drama
984428;1421769932;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform << btw saw the saudi prince interview where he admits they're best buds with putin now ?
984429;1421769944;BingoBoingo;Really is, nobody "scam hunters" getting pissed that the scammer they like is getting shat on.
984430;1421769952;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: lol! nope
984431;1421769973;mircea_popescu;http://www.usatoday.com/story/money/columnist/bartiromo/2015/01/11/bartiromo-saudi-prince-alwaleed-oil-100-barrel/21484911/
984432;1421769974;assbot;Saudi prince: $100-a-barrel oil 'never' again ... ( http://bit.ly/1BzgX94 )
984433;1421769975;mircea_popescu;usa today no less.
984434;1421769992;*;asciilifeform skeptical
984435;1421770041;mircea_popescu;he's a bit of a jirinovski
984436;1421770187;mircea_popescu;"And without a functioning industrial economy crude oil would be reclassified as toxic waste. But that is still two or three decades off in the future."
984437;1421770191;mircea_popescu;lol. mmmkay.
984438;1421770401;BingoBoingo;"Backyard refinery"
984439;1421770536;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform re orlov : my very biased opinion is that "look, a collection of interesting facts and assorted insanities. the facts i recall reading coupla weeks ago in trilema."
984440;1421770575;mircea_popescu;i suppose that's the definition of bias. "agreeing with others in the parts where they agree with you."
984441;1421770610;mircea_popescu;but in any case, i'd love to see the math by which russia produces oil at a profit when it's $25 a barrel.
984442;1421770814;mircea_popescu;strangely, he also seems unaware of teh obama charlie hebdo blunder. i dunno when the us was as politically isolated in its past 1848 history as the time when everyone was in paris except obama. putin was there for chrissakes.
984443;1421770840;mircea_popescu;i guess hauling all those submarines in helicopters in boats in trains arrangement for securitah has its disadvantages. can't move fast enough
984444;1421771245;jurov;heh. yes when it was at shore like in normandy, moving subs by was easier
984445;1421771301;mircea_popescu;heh
984446;1421771949;nubbins`;thestringpuller pm me details about this work of yours
984447;1421771958;nubbins`;better not be as drawn-out as last time
984448;1421771980;mircea_popescu;lol that blinky map dohickey (revolvermaps.com) reports "119 Recent Pageviews". over about 10 minutes ? so like
984449;1421771985;nubbins`;actually, scratch that. pm me details about this work of yours when you've got money in-hand and a design ready to go. there's really no need to update me before that point :P
984450;1421771989;mircea_popescu;;;calc 119 * 6 * 24
984451;1421771989;gribble;17136
984452;1421772042;mircea_popescu;soon to be overtaken by qntra o.O
984453;1421772055;mircea_popescu;i guess it's time for cazalla to get a ten page wikipedia article in all teh languages.
984454;1421772401;ben_vulpes;buenos dias, wreckers
984455;1421772404;BingoBoingo;!b 7
984456;1421772405;assbot;Last 7 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/3RQCCZA.txt )
984457;1421772580;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 71500 @ 0.00049639 = 35.4919 BTC [-]
984458;1421774338;BingoBoingo;!up felipelalli
984459;1421774451;BingoBoingo;Next they come for the Roth IRAs http://reason.com/blog/2015/01/19/lets-pay-for-free-community-college-by-t
984460;1421774453;assbot;Let's Pay for 'Free' Community College by Taxing College Savings! - Hit & Run : Reason.com ... ( http://bit.ly/1EmnsKM )
984461;1421774697;kakobrekla;http://otp.investis.com/clients/us/intercontinental_exchange_group/usn/usnews-story.aspx?cid=953&newsid=28438
984462;1421774698;assbot;NYSE Completes Minority Investment in Coinbase ... ( http://bit.ly/1C3RWlq )
984463;1421774985;mats;a lol
984464;1421775032;BingoBoingo;!up felipelalli
984465;1421775087;scoopbot;New post on Qntra.net by Bingo Boingo: http://qntra.net/2015/01/prosecutors-seek-to-bar-dpr-interview-from-jury/
984466;1421775105;mats;"Australia has flown 144 sorties on Islamic State extremists, but it's believed IS had already struck first, launching a cyber-missile on Australian computer systems."
984467;1421775122;mats;> a cyber-missile
984468;1421775447;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17700 @ 0.00051182 = 9.0592 BTC [+] {3} 
984469;1421776897;mircea_popescu;vrediteli!
984470;1421776976;mircea_popescu;kakobrekla curious what comes of this.
984471;1421777025;mircea_popescu;mats calling it "a cyber missile" is a good joke. calling some beheadings "a new hairstyle" is a bad joke. gotta keep track!
984472;1421777170;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo pretty soon the jury will have to deliberate on the exclusive basis of one sheet of paper on which the words "The People consider the defendant guilty" are written
984473;1421777175;mircea_popescu;in 16 point comic ms font
984474;1421777194;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: That's seriously looks like where the system is headed.
984475;1421777206;mircea_popescu;ima put it in comments brb
984476;1421777759;Adlai;lol this reminds me of the whole shitshow in the idf where "real warriors" got all tussled about the cyber command calling its hackers "cyber warriors"
984477;1421777796;Adlai;some highup officer says that a single cyber warrior can be more valuable to the country than hundreds [of thousands] of regular warriors
984478;1421777812;Adlai;and then recants this statement once all the other highups flip a shit
984479;1421777820;mircea_popescu;that's a dangerous path to take. because "screw you bitch, i can sit in a chair and fly a desk too."
984480;1421777826;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30400 @ 0.00051413 = 15.6296 BTC [+]
984481;1421777843;Adlai;it was hilarious at the time, being a "real warrior" myself, but siding with the "cyber warrior" camp :D
984482;1421777874;mircea_popescu;the argument is about as retarded as saying that "one real warrior can be more valuable than" bla bla. sure, the guy who puts up the flag can be misrepresented so and so.
984483;1421777903;mircea_popescu;but otherwise, it's about two degrees of magnitude harder to find passible shooters than it is to find passible language-of-the-week coders.
984484;1421778064;Adlai;nobody was suggesting calling coders "cyber warriors", this was about hackers crackers and stuxers
984485;1421778097;mircea_popescu;yaya.
984486;1421778100;mircea_popescu;im sure.
984487;1421778132;mircea_popescu;just like nobody is calling retarded journalist cunts "core developers" on the basis of their merging gender changes to pronouns in documentation on github.
984488;1421778159;mircea_popescu;to the grief of women actually involved with computers. whoi aren't a market for the niggers, because they're smart and few, which makes it too expensive.
984489;1421778168;*;Adlai encountered a new one yesterday, "zir"
984490;1421778186;Adlai;sounds like a malamanteau of "her" and "sir"
984491;1421778204;Adlai;!ud malamanteau
984492;1421778220;Adlai;assbot: pls
984493;1421778299;mircea_popescu;țîr m. (ngr. tziros) : a small fish.
984494;1421778393;*;xanthyos 
984495;1421778411;*;Adlai 
984496;1421778541;mircea_popescu;"The slightly good news is that PID 1 segfaulting does not reboot the machine on the spot. "
984497;1421778550;mircea_popescu;"Attempts to log in or to su to root from an existing login either fail or hang."
984498;1421778577;mircea_popescu;" dude it's so great to be back on windows, seriously"  << fifty million "experts" running systemd
984499;1421778605;mircea_popescu;The merely bad experience is that as a result of this I had occasion to use journalctl (I normally don't). More specifically, I had occasion to use 'journalctl -l', because of course if you're going to make a bug report you want to give full messages. Unfortunately, 'journalctl -l does not actually show you the full message.
984500;1421778637;mircea_popescu;"The merely bad experience is that as a result of this I had occasion to use journalctl (I normally don't). More specifically, I had occasion to use 'journalctl -l', because of course if you're going to make a bug report you want to give full messages. Unfortunately, 'journalctl -l does not actually show you the full message."
984501;1421778644;mircea_popescu;"accidentally", all this, no doubt.
984502;1421778671;mircea_popescu;(Oh, and journalctl goes out of its way to set up this behavior. Not by passing command line arguments to less, because that would be too obvious (you might spot it in a ps listing, for example); instead it mangles $LESS to effectively add the '-S' option, among other things.)
984503;1421778786;asciilifeform;two degrees of magnitude harder to find passible shooters << since when is cannon fodder in short supply?
984504;1421778859;mircea_popescu;note i was not talking about web experts.
984505;1421778962;thestringpuller;random: is there a reason "crowd source" projects usually are of mediocre quality?
984506;1421778978;thestringpuller;seems "flashy" and stuffs and not enough..."factor x"
984507;1421779040;mircea_popescu;all crowd source projects constructed around an asshole succeed. like linux. and like systemd.
984508;1421779219;BingoBoingo;Updated: http://qntra.net/2015/01/prosecutors-seek-to-bar-dpr-interview-from-jury/
984509;1421779220;assbot;Prosecutors Seek to Bar DPR Interview From Jury – Updated | Qntra.net ... ( http://bit.ly/1xS5M3Y )
984510;1421779299;mircea_popescu;lol epic railroading.
984511;1421779345;jurov;i know several people who ended up running webserver on windows because "under linux we could never get everything working right, admin always fixing something"
984512;1421779352;mircea_popescu;kakobrekla of course my only takeaway is that the price is doing pretty well at strangling coinbase. lucky them that they managed a refinance. curious if bitpay announces anything soon.
984513;1421779408;BingoBoingo;Well Coinbase got financing. BitPay because of the publicity stunt gets belt tightening.
984514;1421779443;kakobrekla;actually that bp thing smells like koruption to me
984515;1421779481;mircea_popescu;?
984516;1421779507;kakobrekla;the bowl sponsorship or whatever the fuck
984517;1421779560;mircea_popescu;how'd that go ?
984518;1421779563;BingoBoingo;Oh few things are as corrupt as College Football. It is gloriously corrupt.
984519;1421779754;mircea_popescu;"medium awareness" << triple pun of win!
984520;1421779769;BingoBoingo;I mean with the plantation slaves... I mean University Student Athletes... http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1932265/
984521;1421779770;assbot;"South Park" Crack Baby Athletic Association (TV Episode 2011) - IMDb ... ( http://bit.ly/1xS8vdC )
984522;1421779802;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo: Looks like qntra got scooped on this. << of course there's also the possibility they made it up. not the 1st time.
984523;1421779858;mircea_popescu;ps : "DDoS protection by CloudFlare" does not actually work.
984524;1421779941;Adlai;more like "DoS centralization courtesy of CloudFlare"
984525;1421779967;BingoBoingo;Well of course. They probably don't have a giant folder with the whole SEC file. I wouldn't put it past them to have a friend who happens to be a government secretary somewhere.
984526;1421779969;Adlai;"Why so serious? Let us put a smile on that face of yours, and turn a 404 into a 503 today!"
984527;1421779994;Adlai;only9.99,termsandconditionsmayapply
984528;1421780010;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo: Wait so Mark did the Gox, Silk Road, GLBSE, and Bitcointalk scams? <<< the explanation is quite pedestrian. there's a bunch of fuctards who imagine they're "the coimmunity" notwithstanding they have no money and no political importance. because hey, they FEEL like they should matter. these derps ineffectually tried to prop up mtgox. they failed, but they don't wish to confront the why there, so instead the
984529;1421780010;mircea_popescu;y prefer blaming fatso.
984530;1421780035;mircea_popescu;who is generally stupid and lazy, and i doubt teh story will stick, but hey. angry narcissists.
984531;1421780062;mircea_popescu;Adlai thing is , page simply does not resolve unless you run bad software.
984532;1421780071;mircea_popescu;that's plenty of modern browsers, of course, but hey.
984533;1421780082;BingoBoingo;Well somewhere I think someone brought up a govt agent suspecting Fatty was also Thermos
984534;1421780109;mircea_popescu;and obama.
984535;1421780119;BingoBoingo;Sure.
984536;1421780132;BingoBoingo;Karpeles is probably secretly Lizard Hitler too.
984537;1421780137;mircea_popescu;punkman: "Virtex.com Chart is FAKE" << lolz. rly ?!
984538;1421780169;mircea_popescu;what's next, bifinex is a lulzy scamfest and btcjam loses 30% of your moneyz every coupla quarters ?
984539;1421780181;mircea_popescu;soon enough 2012 will be like, rediscovered.
984540;1421780300;BingoBoingo;Oh, you mean Bitfinex like https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/2t2oss/bitfinex_exchange_owner_admits_to_using_inside/
984541;1421780302;assbot;Bitfinex exchange owner admits to using inside information to trade on own platform : Bitcoin ... ( http://bit.ly/1xSaVsH )
984542;1421780367;mircea_popescu;lol
984543;1421780422;Adlai;good thing bitfinex doesn't trade stocks and there's no such thing as insider forex trading
984544;1421780431;Adlai;(fsvo "good")
984545;1421780532;mircea_popescu;bitcoin is elastic, it can be anything you want it to be. "commodity"
984546;1421780546;kakobrekla;more like cumodity
984547;1421780621;mircea_popescu;!up nubbins`
984548;1421780625;mircea_popescu;hey ever managed to reg ?
984549;1421780627;BingoBoingo;http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/2015/01/19/police-radar-see-through-walls/22007615/
984550;1421780629;assbot;New police radars can 'see' inside homes ... ( http://bit.ly/1xScwij )
984551;1421780630;mircea_popescu;ah ok
984552;1421780648;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo "walls". ie, vinyl siding.
984553;1421780692;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: Of course. It's just amazing how shitware isn't limited to the stuff that Stan blawgs about.
984554;1421780692;assbot;AMAZING COMPANY!
984555;1421780744;mircea_popescu;Yes, a MASTER CARVER who normally earns $450 (or is it $800 (or is it $3,000)) per hour is willing to make Butterfly Labs dildos for $18/hr.
984556;1421780747;mircea_popescu;i lulzd.
984557;1421780770;mircea_popescu;the last master carver to have made 3k an hour was known by his moustache.
984558;1421780847;mircea_popescu;nubbins` i dun think anyone who a) isn't mentally retarded and b) looked at any item more than cursorily failed to realise it's a computer etch.
984559;1421780874;mircea_popescu;i know i sort-of considered having something done when he was first brought up but dropped after actually looking at w/e it was at the tgime.
984560;1421780933;mircea_popescu;!up STRML
984561;1421780939;STRML;Thanks mircea_popescu
984562;1421780950;mircea_popescu;you register your key with assbot, aquire some trust and then can self-voice.
984563;1421780984;nubbins`;mp XD
984564;1421780993;STRML;Great, I'll check the docs
984565;1421780995;mircea_popescu;!up diana_coman
984566;1421781003;nubbins`;i'm in read-only mode in that thread from now on, it's too rich
984567;1421781005;mircea_popescu;STRML assbot documented pretty well on wiki.
984568;1421781007;nubbins`;like eating an entire cheesecake
984569;1421781021;mircea_popescu;nubbins` tbh i think it's forcing a point. anyone buying whatever on puffery is stuck.
984570;1421781038;mircea_popescu;it's not fraud to say you're "a master artisan". it'd have been a fraud had it been a regulated profession.
984571;1421781039;thestringpuller;mircea_popescu: curious if bitpay  announces anything soon.
984572;1421781050;thestringpuller;^- sooner than you think
984573;1421781054;mircea_popescu;aha.
984574;1421781059;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25000 @ 0.00049359 = 12.3398 BTC [-] {3} 
984575;1421781062;nubbins`;fair enough
984576;1421781079;nubbins`;i got drawn in by his insistence on obfuscating the fact
984577;1421781085;mircea_popescu;and tbh, tiny chisels do exist.
984578;1421781091;nubbins`;i know!
984579;1421781092;mircea_popescu;mostly carbide tipped
984580;1421781098;nubbins`;too bad he shows me the 3/4" ones instead
984581;1421781118;mircea_popescu;expensive as all shit, the 1/26 1/32 stuff
984582;1421781120;nubbins`;https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=930649.msg10219854#msg10219854
984583;1421781121;assbot;Scam Warning: WoodCollector ... ( http://bit.ly/1yGACU7 )
984584;1421781125;nubbins`;^ final send-off
984585;1421781132;nubbins`;odd imperial sizes are a terrible thing
984586;1421781134;thestringpuller;mircea_popescu: rumor is they've been seeking more funding. dunno if they'll announce another round soon or not.
984587;1421781139;nubbins`;you know how much a 9/16" drill bit costs?
984588;1421781148;Adlai;STRML: you from bitmex?
984589;1421781152;mircea_popescu;thestringpuller not much need for that to be a rumour. obviousness is obvious, i dun think anyone doesn't know they are.
984590;1421781174;mircea_popescu;nubbins` not by heart, but yes, you can probably buy a girl in the shadier part of town for less.
984591;1421781193;nubbins`;i :0'd last time i had to buy one
984592;1421781247;nubbins`;anyway, poor kid will learn his craft over time. i guess
984593;1421781253;STRML;Adlai: Yep :)
984594;1421781263;kakobrekla;!s bitmex
984595;1421781264;assbot;0 results for 'bitmex' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=bitmex
984596;1421781280;mircea_popescu;nah, this isn't really how you learn that.
984597;1421781290;mircea_popescu;it'slikesaying kid driving will evetually learn to marathon
984598;1421781328;STRML;kakobrekla: https://www.bitmex.com
984599;1421781329;assbot;BitMEX - Bitcoin Mercantile Exchange ... ( http://bit.ly/1xSg3No )
984600;1421781338;nubbins`;heh
984601;1421781340;mircea_popescu;o.O
984602;1421781346;nubbins`;i meant the craft of lasering things, perhaps in a booth at the mall
984603;1421781366;mircea_popescu;that's basically how you make keys right ?
984604;1421781369;STRML;We are a derivatives exchange for investors and speculators who are serious about the products they trade. I could give you the whole pitch but I don't want to spam the channel :)
984605;1421781382;mircea_popescu;STRML so who is the serious traders that built it ?
984606;1421781393;nubbins`;more or less
984607;1421781396;nubbins`;http://imgur.com/TjoVNzd
984608;1421781397;assbot;                        imgur: the simple image sharer ... ( http://bit.ly/1xSgp6V )
984609;1421781398;nubbins`;that type shit
984610;1421781415;nubbins`;engraving/keycutting/lasering is a popular combo
984611;1421781428;STRML;mircea_popescu: Our cofounders and board members have 40+ years combined in banking
984612;1421781438;nubbins`;altho tbf keys are mostly still ground
984613;1421781439;mircea_popescu;names if you will.
984614;1421781468;kakobrekla;100 1yearold have 100 years experience
984615;1421781483;STRML;Arthur Hayes - Deutsche Bank, and Joseph Jeong, DB, Credit Suisse, et al
984616;1421781487;STRML;https://www.bitmex.com/app/aboutUs
984617;1421781488;assbot;About Us - BitMEX ... ( http://bit.ly/1xSgJTd )
984618;1421781495;mircea_popescu;"BitMEX is the first centrally cleared derivatives exchange. " << the first it certainly isn't.
984619;1421781533;mircea_popescu;ah, i clicked the about but nothing happened. js issue i guess.
984620;1421781546;thestringpuller;Everyone thinks bitcoin is ready for options again cause they know how to write JS
984621;1421781562;STRML;We don't think it's ready for options at all, actually
984622;1421781565;thestringpuller;"This platform is bugged" "But it looks pretty!"
984623;1421781593;mircea_popescu;"Arthur Hayes obtained his BA in Economics at the Wharton School of Business at the University of Pennsylvania in 2008. "
984624;1421781618;mircea_popescu;this is the antithesis of "experienced" you know.
984625;1421781637;STRML;I understand, the majority of our experience is in our engine author who wishes to remain unnamed
984626;1421781660;thestringpuller;makes it easier to take the money and run
984627;1421781668;STRML;For him, perhaps, not for us
984628;1421781672;STRML;We are very public about who we are
984629;1421781693;Adlai;well you could just get the engine sauce audited, then revoke anonybob's access
984630;1421781695;STRML;To be clear, that was a joke; we use multisig internally, it is not possible for our unnamed cofounder to cut and run
984631;1421781711;STRML;The only reason he is as of yet unnamed is because he is still employed
984632;1421781725;Adlai;ah yes, the fabled noncompete
984633;1421781747;BingoBoingo;!b 2
984634;1421781747;assbot;Last 2 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/2VTSEYM.txt )
984635;1421781752;*;Adlai has yet to hear of successful noncompete litigation
984636;1421781790;mircea_popescu;so Jeong threw some money , which is what he does, a sicrit expert wrote "the engine" and an eager black guy class of 2008 wants to play the danny brewster.
984637;1421781802;STRML;Is this channel usually so hostile?
984638;1421781806;Adlai;yes :)
984639;1421781808;mircea_popescu;depends to what.
984640;1421781814;STRML;We are nothing but open about what we do and how we do it, with the exception of that cofounder's name
984641;1421781833;mircea_popescu;right.
984642;1421781838;STRML;I believe we're a breath of fresh air in the derivatives space, which is dominated by players who barely understand derivatives to begin with
984643;1421781842;mircea_popescu;by the way, anyone remember reddit ? http://www.reddit.com/r/neobee/ << top kek.
984644;1421781844;assbot;Neo & Bee: the first genuine alternative to traditional banking ... ( http://bit.ly/1yGDKPW )
984645;1421781870;mircea_popescu;STRML do you understand the space between a claim and a fact ? anyone can say that. in fact, people tend to. this doesn't correlate with anything substantial.
984646;1421781889;STRML;And we're the only derivs exchange that doesn't do socialized losses. It takes a far different approach to guarantee something like that
984647;1421781896;STRML;Of course your word means little in the Bitcoin space
984648;1421781919;STRML;It's a matter of building a reputation and maintaining it. Only way to do that is to consistently be trustworthy over a significant period of time.
984649;1421781967;mircea_popescu;STRML no, not my word. my word means plenty. your word means little, but for very good reason : 1) you're not in the wot and b) you've not do your reading.
984650;1421781971;mircea_popescu;done*
984651;1421781994;STRML;Just because I haven't spent much time on this particular IRC channel doesn't mean that I, and by extension my company, is untrustworthy
984652;1421782002;BingoBoingo;!up felipelalli
984653;1421782004;STRML;But I am happy to enter the WoT
984654;1421782033;danielpbarron;"Blazedout commissioned a $14,000 art piece. I shipped it first and he followed through with payment as promised."  << LOL, Blazedout419 was the sucker?
984655;1421782047;BingoBoingo;danielpbarron: Isn't he often that?
984656;1421782053;danielpbarron;:D
984657;1421782056;kakobrekla;thats all he is really.
984658;1421782061;nubbins`;heh
984659;1421782062;nubbins`;https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=931109
984660;1421782062;assbot;Nubbins is the type of Plague that destroys this community (video proof thread) ... ( http://bit.ly/1xSjMuq )
984661;1421782066;nubbins`;:o
984662;1421782083;danielpbarron;i didn't realize he had such a reputation in here! I mostly know about him from when i used to idle in -otc
984663;1421782110;kakobrekla;no, he is the perfect scam magnet
984664;1421782115;kakobrekla;one of the rare ones still working.
984665;1421782123;mircea_popescu;no, that it doesn't. my suspicion is, as far as i'm personally concerned, grounded mostly in the fact that you had no idea that, for instance, mpoe covered ~30k btc worth of derivative losses without "sociualising". this in 2013.
984666;1421782129;mircea_popescu;see http://trilema.com/2013/mpoe-march-2013-statement/ etc.
984667;1421782130;assbot;MPOE, March 2013 Statement pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.  ... ( http://bit.ly/1xSk58H )
984668;1421782164;mircea_popescu;nubbins` what's the video proof ?
984669;1421782175;asciilifeform;btw, re: photos: typical laser cut. some even show signs of raster scan.
984670;1421782180;nubbins`;he's, uh, coming up with it in the next few days.
984671;1421782184;mircea_popescu;danielpbarron yeah im with kako, they seem to stick to him somehow.
984672;1421782188;nubbins`;the thread's there so he doesn't need to waste time making it later.
984673;1421782202;mircea_popescu;oh i see. it'd better be some sort of "leave britny alone!!!1" thing.
984674;1421782274;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform i have nfi what posseses someone to take a perfectly valid product and pretend it's something else.
984675;1421782326;asciilifeform;would someone like to explain why the wood art fellow insists he does not use a laser? (he has photos of lathe, chisel, etc. but those are clearly necessary to forming the basic contours prior to lasering. so no surprise. but why does he deny the use of the laser?)
984676;1421782363;kakobrekla;cause the lasers dont come out of his eyes
984677;1421782368;thestringpuller;STRML: Is this channel usually so hostile? << You're asking to put your arm into the woodchipper and we're telling you its not going to be fun if you do.
984678;1421782369;mircea_popescu;"How many times you look at it. It was clearly carve by a 40 to 60 watts co2 laser. " << i'm with him. looks just about right.
984679;1421782389;STRML;thestringpuller: Hah you're not wrong at all
984680;1421782428;mircea_popescu;nubbins` (btw, asciilifeforms been doing a ton of plastic and other matter cutting with an actual laser for cardano project, so... expert testimony)
984681;1421782472;asciilifeform;a little bit of laser, yes. anyone who has so much as tried a laser cutter will recognize the result in the photo.
984682;1421782472;mircea_popescu;https://i.imgur.com/K0g0N4kl.jpg ahahaha wut. THAT is the proof ?
984683;1421782473;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1xSlPyx )
984684;1421782486;mircea_popescu;dude i have one of those. I used it recently to fix a door
984685;1421782513;mircea_popescu;make way for master craftisan / doorartist me.
984686;1421782514;asciilifeform;imho that thread was merely an elaborate troll.
984687;1421782528;mircea_popescu;you're too suspicious asciilifeform. most people are actually dumb.
984688;1421782566;mircea_popescu;incidentally, since doormouse exists, maybe it's time to have doorartist too ? someone using half pound chisels as proof of artisanry?
984689;1421782586;BingoBoingo;Linux needs to dump Linus girl's story http://pastebin.com/3jAQARCy
984690;1421782588;assbot;My Statement - Shanley - Pastebin.com ... ( http://bit.ly/1xSmr7k )
984691;1421782632;thestringpuller;BingoBoingo always /w da dramatic scoop
984692;1421782644;mircea_popescu;"Last Thursday, I criticized the Linux community for continuing to support and center a leader with a years-long, documented history of unrepentant abusive behavior, someone who has actively and systematically nurtured a hostile, homogeneous technical community, and someone who has long actively chased people from marginalized groups out of open source."
984693;1421782662;BingoBoingo;thestringpuller: Seems to be an especially strong week for drama. I anticipate Moon.
984694;1421782682;mircea_popescu;this is what linus is. no name, no nothing, anon idiot gets to use his own qualifiers.
984695;1421782692;mircea_popescu;"The retaliation has been terrifying." << no, it hasn't.
984696;1421782707;mircea_popescu;not nearly terrifying enough.
984697;1421782741;STRML;mircea_popescu: Just wanted to say that I appreciate what you do, I didn't realize you were behind MPEx
984698;1421782763;STRML;My partners are much more tuned into finance and the Bitcoin scene than I am, I handle the web aspects of the service
984699;1421782773;mircea_popescu;but that's less important. what's more important is, bitcoin has no price signal and you propose to do derivatives. well... got some questions to answer.
984700;1421782775;BingoBoingo;STRML: Who do you think put the MP in MPEx
984701;1421782778;BingoBoingo;!up STRML
984702;1421782801;mircea_popescu;which is why i said "depends to what". if you come in and say "hi guise, remember that problem with the derivatives ? check out this solution i figured out!!!"
984703;1421782808;mircea_popescu;if the solution is actually good that gets you a spot.
984704;1421782819;asciilifeform;-dormouse-. hibernates, edible.
984705;1421782820;thestringpuller;mircea_popescu: bitcoin has no price signal << MP ain't opening the studio up until this is fixed
984706;1421782833;mircea_popescu;but the usual "hey i made a company which is a website which makes claims which are either trivially falsified or not provable because reasons", well...
984707;1421782836;mircea_popescu;we get a lot of those.
984708;1421782837;BingoBoingo;!up diana_coman
984709;1421782841;asciilifeform;glis glis
984710;1421782851;STRML;I completely understand what you're getting at
984711;1421782858;STRML;And it's of course natural not to trust newcomers
984712;1421782872;mircea_popescu;except we trust newcomers all the time.
984713;1421782872;STRML;Not much I can do about that. I can get our CEO on here at some point in the near future
984714;1421782881;thestringpuller;lol
984715;1421782885;thestringpuller;kid not listening
984716;1421782902;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-01-2015#982621 << most recently... coupla days ago.
984717;1421782902;assbot;Logged on 18-01-2015 21:55:19; mircea_popescu: ok well, inasmuch undata is new and this isn't really very hard, let him do it then, gain some cred.
984718;1421782916;mircea_popescu;and there's plenty you can do about that. start with you know, the variety speak.
984719;1421782944;undata;ahoy! I'll probably have a prototype working on testnet this evening or the next
984720;1421782952;mircea_popescu;"^ This is a wood lathe, this is how i take square things and make them round." lmao that thread's so adorable.
984721;1421782955;kakobrekla;<asciilifeform> -dormouse-. hibernates, edible. < not a big fan but their fat is traditionally used for a buncha medical stuff
984722;1421782958;mircea_popescu;undata pretty cool
984723;1421782967;mircea_popescu;kakobrekla buttplugs ?!
984724;1421782973;kakobrekla;hm?
984725;1421782987;mircea_popescu;buttplug lube! doormouse blubber!
984726;1421782995;kakobrekla;the fat? for skin issues and such
984727;1421783002;mircea_popescu;aha
984728;1421783010;kakobrekla;joints too i hear.
984729;1421783031;asciilifeform;iirc the romans grew these in jars, fattened, served up
984730;1421783062;kakobrekla;my grandfather still hunts em in the wild.
984731;1421783080;mircea_popescu;"You are claiming to be an artisin silkscreener? never new there was such a thing. In that case, i am also an ARTISAN dishwasher, well when my wife is mad anyways. Oh and an Artisan snow shoveler as i have decades of experience with that too. I mean, as long as we are making up names for professions." << you're screwed nubbins`. you know how many times ima link to this ? do you ? DO YOU ? :D
984732;1421783091;nubbins`;haha
984733;1421783093;mircea_popescu;kakobrekla aren't they trapped ? actually hunted instead ?!
984734;1421783095;BingoBoingo;<asciilifeform> iirc the romans grew these in jars, fattened, served up << Basically equivalent to American fascination with chicken wings. Eat all of them before going to the Vomitorium.
984735;1421783096;nubbins`;artisan dope smoker
984736;1421783122;nubbins`;i don't think he realizes you can silkscreen on things other than t-shirts
984737;1421783122;kakobrekla;yes, should be more specific, they are trapped
984738;1421783135;kakobrekla;we still call it 'hunt' though.
984739;1421783138;mircea_popescu;fu nubbins` that's a real profession. http://trilema.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/05/istanbul-141.jpg
984740;1421783139;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1xSp49t )
984741;1421783165;nubbins`;!
984742;1421783170;mircea_popescu;kakobrekla for a moment there i had a vision of a tiny dog pack coursing for mice over a tiny field.
984743;1421783181;kakobrekla;and hand grenades.
984744;1421783191;mircea_popescu;well, smaller ones. thumb grenades.
984745;1421783194;kakobrekla;:)
984746;1421783195;mircea_popescu;cherry bombs lol
984747;1421783212;*;BingoBoingo still wants a table salt shotgun for hunting spiders.
984748;1421783217;asciilifeform;when i lived in a flat with mice, rats, i dreamed of tiny shotguns
984749;1421783231;nubbins`;https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=868954.msg10220254#msg10220254
984750;1421783231;assbot;Wood Collectors Bitcoin Art ... ( http://bit.ly/1xSpuMM )
984751;1421783238;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform tiny arbalest is feasible...
984752;1421783248;nubbins`;the guy with the 5 day old account says he's legit
984753;1421783250;kakobrekla;asciilifeform you mean in merrica?
984754;1421783273;nubbins`;you can tell it's legit because it's almost the same username as the guy who originally commissioned the piece, then vanished without a trace
984755;1421783321;mircea_popescu;"AND EVEN, if this pieces were carved by a laser... I would still love them and they would still be unique." win.
984756;1421783336;mircea_popescu;let's not dispute the actual facts in contention but instead spew a ton of emotional bs. that's the way!
984757;1421783342;mats;BingoBoingo: holy shit, that pastebin is terrible
984758;1421783377;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: yes, in america, the flat i moved out of last may
984759;1421783387;kakobrekla;well its 17.950 for the wood, 49 shipping and 1 dorra lazering
984760;1421783428;nubbins`;i think this is my first hate thread
984761;1421783442;mircea_popescu;kakobrekla the DESIGN is unique. except for the part where this old woman whose daughter i used to fuck on occasion had a plastic tablecloth in the same color and pattern.
984762;1421783537;nubbins`;i'd bet it's free vector clipart
984763;1421783541;nubbins`;obv no way to prove
984764;1421783556;mircea_popescu;nubbins` it's your own fault tho, you worded it too strong.
984765;1421783561;mircea_popescu;it
984766;1421783572;mircea_popescu;a lack of taste is not really a scam
984767;1421783585;nubbins`;more a misrepresentation than anything
984768;1421783592;nubbins`;what can i say, grumpy morning 8)
984769;1421783606;mircea_popescu;but hey, it did get the lulz flowing.
984770;1421783611;*;nubbins` nods sagely
984771;1421783617;mircea_popescu;" I'm not a fool by any means, every great man has a few detractors, Like i have said before."
984772;1421783626;nubbins`;he puffs himself up so much, hey?
984773;1421783739;mircea_popescu;vanity, my favourite sin.
984774;1421783746;fluffypony;https://hashtalk.org/topic/29764/false-light-tortious-interference
984775;1421783747;assbot;Just a moment... ... ( http://bit.ly/181ntcr )
984776;1421783763;fluffypony;"GAW should be evaluating this SEC investigation troll to see if the conditions are right for a libel suit against the people behind it. A retainer on a case like this would be in the vicinity of $50k - $100k and costs could run to $250k - $500k by the time its done. If such a case is to proceed it will take a minimum of two years, but an injunction against any further disparagement should be sought at once."
984777;1421783766;fluffypony;lol
984778;1421783797;mircea_popescu;totally.
984779;1421783842;BingoBoingo;More Gavin drippings http://gavintech.blogspot.com/2015/01/twenty-megabytes-testing-results.html
984780;1421783843;assbot;GavinTech: Twenty Megabytes testing results ... ( http://bit.ly/181nDAF )
984781;1421783876;mod6;oh here we go
984782;1421784178;mircea_popescu;https://www.sansleaf.com/ << 503 ?
984783;1421784180;assbot;Error 503: Service Unavailable ... ( http://bit.ly/1xStXiC )
984784;1421784217;nubbins`;here's an actual master carver
984785;1421784217;nubbins`;http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/3/3c/Grabovetskiy3.jpg
984786;1421784222;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1xSu8dN )
984787;1421784225;nubbins`;essentially a BFL dildo.
984788;1421784260;mircea_popescu;nubbins` yeah, hand carving mostly consists of doing "the edges" specifically because laser chased them off the flat surface.
984789;1421784322;nubbins`;yep
984790;1421784324;mircea_popescu;anwyay, that thread is exactly what one'd expect : everyone with even half a clue, all the way to smoothie saw the same thing i saw. we're not like experts or anything.
984791;1421784351;nubbins`;content to just let it fester now, with the occasional jab to keep the bees from settling too much
984792;1421784381;mircea_popescu;"This accusation was started a few hours ago, the bulk of my clients have not even logged in since this who parade of nonsense started." sounds like the social media artisan :D
984793;1421784400;nubbins`;:D
984794;1421784405;thestringpuller;LOL Gavin
984795;1421784408;thestringpuller;HOLY FUCK
984796;1421784411;nubbins`;the bulk of my clients
984797;1421784413;thestringpuller;This graph
984798;1421784428;nubbins`;do your clients need supportive undergarments?
984799;1421784432;thestringpuller;https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1CuOEM9uwO5w-RwWGCCZpVGVFwhHHHegxJZqTP5KyapI/edit#gid=0 << mircea_popescu was right about him making block size infinite
984800;1421784448;mircea_popescu;i was right ?!
984801;1421784454;mircea_popescu;that like never happens.
984802;1421784476;thestringpuller;Didn't he say to you, "No one is saying make the block size infinite"
984803;1421784485;thestringpuller;on contravex or something?
984804;1421784493;mircea_popescu;o wait, usgavin lied ?!
984805;1421784498;thestringpuller;and this graph is straight up exponent!!!
984806;1421784498;mircea_popescu;that like... never happens!
984807;1421784522;thestringpuller;I KNO RTIE
984808;1421784539;thestringpuller;USGavin is trustworthy and honest, and the hero bitcoin deserves and needs!!!!!111
984809;1421784548;thestringpuller;who cares if he killed two kids
984810;1421784602;mircea_popescu;whoa, dude actually butchered a chunk of berchemia to make his shotgun-cut atrocity ?!
984811;1421784610;Apocalyptic;heh I see Gavin delivered, as expected
984812;1421784722;hanbot;haha nubbins`, enjoyed reading you on the warpath
984813;1421784750;mircea_popescu;o look at that, from the actual expert in the field herself :)
984814;1421784760;nubbins`;aw, tyvm
984815;1421784762;mircea_popescu;nubbins` prepare to be famous. i hear you're really a woman ?
984816;1421784770;mircea_popescu;scientology much ?
984817;1421784805;nubbins`;hanbot, i indulge too infrequently ;(
984818;1421784827;nubbins`;mp does this mean pasc is a lesbo?
984819;1421784857;hanbot;no, it means she's one of your multiple personalities. and a lesbo.
984820;1421784881;mircea_popescu;it's worse than that. it means... uh... hm.
984821;1421784884;mircea_popescu;well, worse anyway.
984822;1421784908;nubbins`;oo
984823;1421784921;nubbins`;thrilling
984824;1421785025;ben_vulpes;so my bank shipped a new feature
984825;1421785030;ben_vulpes;"log into your mobile app with your face"
984826;1421785038;nubbins`;i was gonna try selling some of our bird books on the forum, but i guess i'll probably let things cool off for a bit
984827;1421785041;mircea_popescu;nubbins` maybe help the idiot kids make a proper gpg contract? that shit's a sore eye by now
984828;1421785048;ben_vulpes;i recorded a video of my face on biz_partners phone, and played it for the facial recognition shit
984829;1421785051;ben_vulpes;and it logged me in
984830;1421785058;nubbins`;ben_vulpes heh
984831;1421785061;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes this is insanity ?!
984832;1421785062;nubbins`;sikyoorady
984833;1421785065;ben_vulpes;bank claims that this feature is being crammed down their throats by apple for apple pay
984834;1421785076;mircea_popescu;but.it.is.insanity
984835;1421785082;ben_vulpes;naw man
984836;1421785084;ben_vulpes;this is bezzle
984837;1421785096;mircea_popescu;so anyone can now log into any politician's account ?
984838;1421785096;nubbins`;bezzle life
984839;1421785104;ben_vulpes;anyways i tried to do the responsible disclosure thing
984840;1421785104;mircea_popescu;can i spend kim assdashian's money yet ?
984841;1421785107;nubbins`;so i lost my username and password for the CRA website (canadian IRS)
984842;1421785117;nubbins`;do you know it was the most goddamn inconvenient thing in the world to get reset?
984843;1421785119;ben_vulpes;i'll give it mebbe a week and then release the video
984844;1421785131;nubbins`;i was actually impressed at how frustrating it was
984845;1421785135;undata;hilarious
984846;1421785144;nubbins`;if someone could social engineer that shit, they deserve whatever they find
984847;1421785153;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes wait. you played his phone to your phone and it took ?!
984848;1421785161;ben_vulpes;mircea_popescu gets it
984849;1421785166;mircea_popescu;no fucking way
984850;1421785174;ben_vulpes;way fucking way
984851;1421785177;thestringpuller;yup
984852;1421785179;mircea_popescu;they didn't as much as put a glare cutoff in there ?!
984853;1421785183;thestringpuller;fingerprint scanners are the same thing
984854;1421785189;thestringpuller;you can literally photocopy someones finger
984855;1421785193;thestringpuller;no need to cut figners off anymore
984856;1421785216;ben_vulpes;watch me end up in jail for unauthorized access of my own accounts
984857;1421785217;mircea_popescu;i'm so fucking blown away...
984858;1421785247;ben_vulpes;bank claims its apple
984859;1421785250;ben_vulpes;apple refuses to say anything
984860;1421785259;ben_vulpes;and i can't figure out how to turn it off
984861;1421785270;kakobrekla;lol
984862;1421785278;mircea_popescu;so wait. i have a humongous library of 2257 notices. prolly tens of k's.
984863;1421785285;mircea_popescu;does this mean i can log into all the girl's accounts now ?
984864;1421785306;ben_vulpes;notices?
984865;1421785324;mircea_popescu;pron thing, the usians came up with this idiotic law that you must make so and so footage of models.
984866;1421785333;ben_vulpes;oh yeah
984867;1421785337;mircea_popescu;unsurprisingly, it includes their mugs. unsurprisingly, anyone ever involved ended up with copies,
984868;1421785339;ben_vulpes;if their banks are using the thing
984869;1421785344;mircea_popescu;because people were so petrified they might lose a set.
984870;1421785354;ben_vulpes;as one should be...
984871;1421785367;mircea_popescu;the hard problem of back-ups for people who don't crypto.
984872;1421785388;mircea_popescu;this is beyond stupid.
984873;1421785400;ben_vulpes;OKAY IVE DISENROLLED
984874;1421785404;undata;they'll improve it by proposing chip-in-hand
984875;1421785420;ben_vulpes;chip in dick
984876;1421785424;ben_vulpes;dickterprints
984877;1421785430;mircea_popescu;i dunno how you can continue with that bank.
984878;1421785444;ben_vulpes;yeah.
984879;1421785452;ben_vulpes;well hey here's another fun thing
984880;1421785459;mircea_popescu;i mean, go rape a toddler instead. better off for society.
984881;1421785459;thestringpuller;people still use banks?
984882;1421785467;thestringpuller;my grandparents told me to put money under mattress
984883;1421785469;thestringpuller;and not trust banks
984884;1421785478;ben_vulpes;apple pay's going to try to gobble all the banks, so if my bank's truthful about it being apple's fault, i'll just end up with the same problem.
984885;1421785478;thestringpuller;so I've been doing that
984886;1421785487;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes no matter.
984887;1421785495;mircea_popescu;cause, not effect.
984888;1421785527;mod6;thestringpuller: they were right, except they didn't figure in fed[ctrl+p]
984889;1421785582;jurov;really, 10x blocksize increase every 5 years?
984890;1421785606;mircea_popescu;jurov no, not really. just in the parallel universe where usg matters.
984891;1421785622;jurov;in past i was arguing in favor of increasing the limit, too.. but no such madness
984892;1421785626;Apocalyptic;jurov, well reddit wants moon, I guess they got it
984893;1421785644;mircea_popescu;fork is a bad idea anyway.
984894;1421785714;nubbins`;mircea_popescu 2257.com available or what?
984895;1421785722;nubbins`;it's a public service
984896;1421785728;mircea_popescu;it actually is ?
984897;1421785753;jurov;i'm surprised gavin isn't considering rule like "allow for blocksize increase if tx fees bigger than some % of coinbase"
984898;1421785764;jurov;no he must do it in stupidest way possible
984899;1421785785;mircea_popescu;jurov you realise how easy this is to game ?
984900;1421785808;mircea_popescu;miner makes a block out of tx with huge fees that he doesn't broadcast. if it goes in, it's in. if not, no loss.
984901;1421785871;jurov;what? it would be based on lots of past blocks, not only one
984902;1421785933;mircea_popescu;so ?
984903;1421785939;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 93068 @ 0.00048435 = 45.0775 BTC [-] {3} 
984904;1421785940;jurov;like difficulty.. i meant is only as illustration as opposed to diddling magic numbers
984905;1421785941;mircea_popescu;i mine 1k btc as fees. what now ?
984906;1421785965;BingoBoingo;http://t.co/wyp4DnR3in
984907;1421785967;assbot;Verizon sprints to crush FiOS account exposure hole • The Register     ... ( http://bit.ly/1GqLzwu )
984908;1421786003;mircea_popescu;"XDA senior software developer Randy Westergren said the FiOS API flaw since fixed allowed any account to be accessed by manipulating user identification numbers in web requests." shit sherlock.
984909;1421786004;jurov;it averages over past 10000 blocks
984910;1421786053;jurov;what would you gain? to count you'd have to publish the block anyway so that it isn't orphaned
984911;1421786057;mircea_popescu;i can do it probably ten times in 10k blocks with very little costs.
984912;1421786067;mircea_popescu;block i publish. the tx however, i don't broadcast.
984913;1421786077;mircea_popescu;"The app hacker quietly reported the holes to Verizon which issued a fix Friday, two days after it was disclosed, and rewarded Westergren with a year's worth of free internet." << heh, bad deal.
984914;1421786091;mircea_popescu;what happened to "verizon fired its entire security staff, hired hacker to form a new team" ?
984915;1421786121;mircea_popescu;"fifty eight men join plumbing school as the notion they will ever be hired to do anything with computers is laughable"
984916;1421786230;BingoBoingo;Plumbing school admits on its own WoT
984917;1421786249;mircea_popescu;hm
984918;1421786259;mircea_popescu;i guess that leaves bagging groceries.
984919;1421786285;BingoBoingo;I mean someone is going to have to vouch you aren't a shithead to get an apprenticeship
984920;1421786289;BingoBoingo;!up felipelalli
984921;1421786409;mircea_popescu;"If anyone reading this believes that a man whose time is worth THREE THOUSAND DOLLARS AN HOUR is going to pick up a chisel for $18/hr, stop reading RIGHT NOW and kill yourself." << i have personally fucked women whose time was actually that sort of money. i bought lunch.
984922;1421786424;mircea_popescu;THIS HAPPENS NUBBINS`
984923;1421786545;jurov;mircea_popescu: you would be able to do it only every 100 blocks and since you wouldn't then use external tx fees, rather unprofitable
984924;1421786568;mircea_popescu;jurov i don't get your logic. why can't i use external tx fees ?
984925;1421786573;mircea_popescu;i can put anything i want in a block.
984926;1421786608;jurov;to avoid then lowering the %
984927;1421786611;jurov;*them
984928;1421786630;mircea_popescu;not clear why only once in 100, but granted that, 10 btc in fees per block on average is like what, 1mn% more than now ?
984929;1421786646;mircea_popescu;uh, you want a per tx% ? i thought you just wanted per block aggregate.
984930;1421786656;jurov;per volume
984931;1421786663;jurov;% of volume
984932;1421786667;mircea_popescu;that's even noisier you realise.
984933;1421786672;mircea_popescu;i put in a satoshi with 1k fee.
984934;1421786694;jurov;and you wouldn't be able to spend the 1k again in 100 blocks
984935;1421786705;jurov;or how much it is
984936;1421786737;mircea_popescu;120 ? is that just for newly minted coins or fees too ?
984937;1421786760;jurov;the tx fees go together with newly minted coins afaik
984938;1421786769;Apocalyptic;well the newly minted coins and the fees are in the same output
984939;1421786809;mircea_popescu;aha yeah. ok.
984940;1421786814;mircea_popescu;still, not enough of a hobble.
984941;1421786948;jurov;*shrug* i can see miners fixing thousands of bitcoins in attempt to raise blocksize, but how feasible scenraion it is, dunno
984942;1421786956;jurov;*scenario
984943;1421786973;BingoBoingo;Blocksize http://www.wired.com/2014/06/wuwt-traffic-induced-demand/
984944;1421786975;assbot;What's Up With That: Building Bigger Roads Actually Makes Traffic Worse | WIRED ... ( http://bit.ly/1GqPwkV )
984945;1421787037;mircea_popescu;jurov make an actual model and i can show you numerically how feasible it is. or otherwise, estimatively, it'd cost about 1 btc to make the blocks any arbitrary size.
984946;1421787147;mircea_popescu;https://i.imgur.com/TkRbrHp.png da fuck is that ?!
984947;1421787148;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1GqQ6ze )
984948;1421787196;mircea_popescu;incredible what a thing that forum is.
984949;1421787248;jurov;let's say blocksize is allowed to go up by 10% if > 10% of volume are tx fees in past 2016 blocks (same as difficulty)
984950;1421787280;mircea_popescu;10% of volume ?!
984951;1421787294;mircea_popescu;hory shit, i yield.
984952;1421787301;jurov;yes, let's be conservative
984953;1421787323;mircea_popescu;well just don't make it scale down bvy the same formula
984954;1421787367;mircea_popescu;(tbh such a change is pure gunk, bitcoin will NEVER carry 10% fees, ever. period.)
984955;1421787393;jurov;why not?
984956;1421787489;jurov;tx fees will certainly end up higher than now, but how much?
984957;1421787551;jurov;how much % asks swift?
984958;1421787594;mircea_popescu;swift is fixed fee.
984959;1421787712;mircea_popescu;currently tx fees are in the range of 0.000000001% to 0.001%. they will increase, yes. degrees of magnitude, yes. past 1% as an average is unlikely, because alternatives will become lucrative enough. such as you know, people would stop "tipping" etc.
984960;1421788080;jurov;hm, 1% in current situation means 5-10 BTC per day
984961;1421788118;jurov;would stay much less than mining reward this century
984962;1421788176;asciilifeform;bigger roads.. traffic worse << impedence mismatch. see also example, 'belady's anomaly', in computing/electronics
984963;1421788233;mircea_popescu;jurov the current situationb isn
984964;1421788242;mircea_popescu;is not the be all-end all to judge things on.
984965;1421788256;mircea_popescu;a system where 1k btc out of a 15mn currency base moves EACH DAY has exceedingly slow velocity.
984966;1421788267;mircea_popescu;as btc matures, velocity will approach more reasonable values.
984967;1421788271;jurov;i dunno if it's possible for the volume to be magnitudes more
984968;1421788302;mircea_popescu;i would suspect once we've beheaed gavin for things to proceed apace and by 2020 or so to have a more reasonable 50 to 100k move daily, of which that 1% is then maybe 50 btc a day.
984969;1421788319;mircea_popescu;as this carries on eventuyally fees will exceed block rewards sometime that decade.
984970;1421788338;thestringpuller;asciilifeform: Interesting comparison in SimCity. So you plan roads all willy nilly. I like curves yay! Etc. anyhow. traffic starts building up cause your shit ain't planned well.
984971;1421788342;mircea_popescu;jurov not possible huh ? compare M3 to world trade figures.
984972;1421788345;thestringpuller;So you upgrade the roads
984973;1421788354;thestringpuller;to 4 lanes instead of 2
984974;1421788365;thestringpuller;well guess what the buildings nearby the roads upgrade too
984975;1421788368;jurov;world trade incl forex ?
984976;1421788399;mircea_popescu;jurov all trade.
984977;1421788405;mircea_popescu;all of it. everything.
984978;1421788437;asciilifeform;thestringpuller: in real life, the jams begin immediately after the road is widened. because impedence mismatch, elementary. nothing to do with the population around the road, on that timescale.
984979;1421788439;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform notice the very convenient "uilding Bigger Roads Actually Makes Traffic Worse" just on the tail end of two decades of "we can't actually afford to build anything anymore" and as "we can't really even maintain what we got" sets in.
984980;1421788459;mircea_popescu;eerilie reminiscent of how "financial discipline" was the imf standard pill for all of eastern europe all through the 90s
984981;1421788473;mircea_popescu;but somehow it's NOT what the us has to do, once the us turned into a cold war ghetto.
984982;1421788506;thestringpuller;^- this is essentially simulated in older versions of sim city
984983;1421788513;thestringpuller;then you start operating on cheat codes
984984;1421788515;thestringpuller;aka QE
984985;1421788522;thestringpuller;type "FUNDS" several hundred times
984986;1421788524;asciilifeform;the traffic-obeying-impedence and other fluid dynamics laws has been known for ages.
984987;1421788574;thestringpuller;asciilifeform: yea but we don't pay our civil engineers nearly enough, or allocated enough money to design to warrant good roads in this country at least.
984988;1421788587;danielpbarron;i remember simcity on snes where you had to intentionally get taxed into negative to get the money value to wrap around to 999`999
984989;1421788589;asciilifeform; 'financial discipline' was the imf standard pill for all of eastern europe all through the 90s << it meant, simply, 'privatization' by usg shills.
984990;1421788598;mircea_popescu;right.
984991;1421788618;mircea_popescu;but somehow it's not now the case that *I* should waltz in washington and buy the monument for a few bitcents.
984992;1421788629;mircea_popescu;odd how this "experts agree" thing works.
984993;1421788660;thestringpuller;how is it odd?
984994;1421788681;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: remember that ruin you showed me in Timis? asked 'what does it cost', and you said 'you can buy but city hall'll make you clean it'
984995;1421788687;mircea_popescu;thestringpuller the definition of an expert is, fundamentally, "one whose judgements are not based on his own circumstance".
984996;1421788734;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform i wouldn't clean it, i'd just host impalement orgies for kidnapped daughters of the "elite" doing whatever women's studies bullshit in college.
984997;1421788743;mircea_popescu;a decade or two of that should put the country on pretty decent footing.
984998;1421788752;mircea_popescu;it did in russia, at any rate. romania idem.
984999;1421788756;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: that -is- cleaning.
985000;1421788763;mircea_popescu;myeah, i guess so.
985001;1421788793;BingoBoingo;!b 6
985002;1421788793;assbot;Last 6 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/2AZDE3N.txt )
985003;1421788795;mircea_popescu;check this inane shit out
985004;1421788797;mircea_popescu;"to take a closer look at the problem. In 2009, two economists�Matthew Turner of the University of Toronto and Gilles Duranton of the University of Pennsylvania�decided to compare the amount of new roads and highways built in different U.S. cities between 1980 and 2000, and the total number of miles driven in those cities over the same period.
985005;1421788797;mircea_popescu;�We found that there�s this perfect one-to-one relationship,� said Turner.
985006;1421788797;mircea_popescu;If a city had increased its road capacity by 10 percent between 1980 and 1990, then the amount of driving in that city went up by 10 percent. If the amount of roads in the same city then went up by 11 percent between 1990 and 2000, the total number of miles driven also went up by 11 percent. It�s like the two figures were moving in perfect lockstep, changing at the same exact rate."
985007;1421788809;mircea_popescu;academics in the scholarly academic topic of correlation is causation.
985008;1421788818;asciilifeform;get married, grow taller!
985009;1421788895;mircea_popescu;"when divorce occurence in a population increases by 10%, the per-capita dependent children figure goes up by 10%. when 12%, 12%. clearly, divorce causes fertility."
985010;1421788911;mircea_popescu;"it's not like we're counting fewer people as a basis or anything"
985011;1421788928;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 53600 @ 0.00047714 = 25.5747 BTC [-] {2} 
985012;1421788930;mircea_popescu;"nothing substantial has changed anywhere else but where we want you to look. please infer"
985013;1421788935;mircea_popescu;fucking roadshow circus tricks, wtf.
985014;1421789081;mircea_popescu;http://40.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lsea2tJlIm1qcjzz2o1_500.jpg << intelligent, educated young woman doing expert work. in sheer contrast to the idiots quoted above, who suck.
985015;1421789082;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/155tLpj )
985016;1421789165;scoopbot;New post on Qntra.net by cazalla: http://qntra.net/2015/01/gavin-andresen-on-future-blockchain-security-i-dunno-lol/
985017;1421789353;jurov;i gathered velocity of world money is somewhere around 1-2 yearly.. and yes, such velocity means 50-100k BTC/day
985018;1421789374;ben_vulpes;odd question
985019;1421789380;ben_vulpes;what's the opposite of a fixed asset?
985020;1421789438;ben_vulpes;(i suspect that when you increase road surface by 10%, road miles go up far more than that)
985021;1421789453;jurov;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fixed_asset << opposite of this?
985022;1421789454;assbot;Fixed asset - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ... ( http://bit.ly/1yH00ro )
985023;1421789621;ben_vulpes;pretty much, jurov
985024;1421789689;BingoBoingo;http://man.aiju.de/1/fortune
985025;1421789690;assbot;fortune page from Section 1 of the /1/fortune manual ... ( http://bit.ly/155xljr )
985026;1421789761;BingoBoingo;looks like plan 9 development is picking up https://code.google.com/p/plan9front/wiki/features
985027;1421789762;assbot;features -  plan9front -  New features -  the front fell off - Google Project Hosting  ... ( http://bit.ly/155xPGh )
985028;1421789781;undata;BingoBoingo: google leaning into it?
985029;1421789811;BingoBoingo;undata: Nah, just some group forked it and is hosting the thing on google code
985030;1421789835;undata;interesting
985031;1421789875;BingoBoingo;http://ninetimes.cat-v.org/news/2014/12/11/0/
985032;1421789876;assbot;news - 2014 - 12 - 11 - 0 ... ( http://bit.ly/155ysQ9 )
985033;1421789979;BingoBoingo;Related http://http02.cat-v.org/
985034;1421789980;assbot;HTTP 0.2 (ie., HTTP 2.0 / 10) ... ( http://bit.ly/155z7kl )
985035;1421789985;asciilifeform;http://code.google.com/p/plan9front/source/browse/rc/bin/feminize
985036;1421789987;assbot;feminize -  plan9front -   the front fell off - Google Project Hosting  ... ( http://bit.ly/155z8oG )
985037;1421790033;BingoBoingo;latest diff https://code.google.com/p/plan9front/source/detail?spec=svn8cd112f650b1e4f831de26631de627465bceb219&r=e263d58bfeda6b441179595bc44d0ef00374c75f
985038;1421790034;assbot;e263d58bfeda -  plan9front -   the front fell off - Google Project Hosting  ... ( http://bit.ly/155zqvL )
985039;1421790169;thestringpuller;cazalla be in hiding?
985040;1421790198;BingoBoingo;Mebbe
985041;1421790449;joecool;o you guys upgraded the bot
985042;1421790685;thestringpuller;joecool: kakobrekla upgraded the bot
985043;1421790719;joecool;thestringpuller: probably for the best, is the db still centralized to the WoT or is it a new system?
985044;1421790847;thestringpuller;joecool: 2 wotdb's now
985045;1421790867;thestringpuller;joecool: assbot updates its own wotdb forked from nanotube 's
985046;1421790876;thestringpuller;so there are now 2 wot's
985047;1421790924;joecool;thestringpuller: ah, is there a particular reason why it was useful to fork?
985048;1421790968;thestringpuller;joecool: http://qntra.net/2015/01/assbot-gains-web-of-trust-functionality/
985049;1421790974;danielpbarron;joecool, everyone else was doing it!
985050;1421791018;danielpbarron;not gonna let anderpson show us up
985051;1421791281;thestringpuller;^- that's a good one :D
985052;1421791334;joecool;thestringpuller: so does this bot support ratings as well?
985053;1421791354;joecool;that are stored separate from the original WoT db?
985054;1421791599;thestringpuller;that's the tl;dr of it
985055;1421791750;mircea_popescu;so wait, "you must accept MY altchain because otherwise you get a CHOICE of alt chains" ? this is the gavin pro-fork argument ?
985056;1421791777;mircea_popescu;it's funny what vanity does to people. is he actually blind to how his entire position reduces to "i wish to be relevant, damn the world" ? neat.
985057;1421792358;asciilifeform;soon we find out whether the button given to the usg shill is actually wired to anything ?
985058;1421792382;mircea_popescu;i guess so.
985059;1421792406;mircea_popescu;hard to tell, the one thing cowards and idiots have in common is that both talk the tough talk all the way through.
985060;1421792480;mircea_popescu;only real difference being the idiots don't have sense enough to chicken out right before the jump
985061;1421792555;hanbot;commented on his blogspot lol
985062;1421792924;mircea_popescu;im not gonna blogspot.
985063;1421793382;thestringpuller;but you'll wordpress?
985064;1421793460;thestringpuller;hanbot: lemme guess "Congrats on being an idiot gavin" is you?
985065;1421793583;mircea_popescu;yeah. wordpress is at least open source shit.
985066;1421793846;thestringpuller;asciilifeform: would this be like cartoon where someone threatens to fire nuke. presses button, and out pops confetti and lil' jon yelling "YEAAA BOMBS!!!!" ???
985067;1421793999;undata;!b 1
985068;1421794000;assbot;Last 1 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/25FG6FV.txt )
985069;1421794271;mircea_popescu;http://www.rjgeib.com/thoughts/451/451.html
985070;1421794272;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1BciBuI )
985071;1421794597;scoopbot;New post on Trilema by Mircea Popescu: http://trilema.com/2015/the-board-of-indirectors/
985072;1421794923;scoopbot;New post on fr.anco.is by davout: http://fr.anco.is/2015/x-eur-january-15th-2015-statement/
985073;1421794924;scoopbot;New post on fr.anco.is by davout: http://fr.anco.is/2015/bitcointalk-staff/
985074;1421794948;davout;lesson: don't fuck with your permalinks
985075;1421795000;mircea_popescu;http://www.avictorian.com/fanlanguage.html << just in case anyone is morbidly curious
985076;1421795002;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/181INP6 )
985077;1421795005;mircea_popescu;(yes the fan convention existed)
985078;1421795108;mircea_popescu;(and this is the author's tit : http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/f/f9/Madame_de_Genlis_by_Lemoine.jpg  in the good tradition that a woman must show her breasts ifshe wants to be taken seriously).
985079;1421795111;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/181IXWP )
985080;1421795114;mircea_popescu;!up Sleepnbum
985081;1421795125;nubbins`;but it's so oddly placed
985082;1421795148;mircea_popescu;hand carved bitch
985083;1421795148;davout;mircea_popescu: haha
985084;1421795220;nubbins`;heh
985085;1421795223;nubbins`;nah 100% laser
985086;1421795404;thestringpuller;;;later tell cazalla send me PM when you get a chance.
985087;1421795404;gribble;The operation succeeded.
985088;1421795630;nubbins`;crikey
985089;1421795639;jurov;http://btc.yt/lxr/source/src/init.cpp << source xreference with clickable identifiers
985090;1421795640;assbot;404 Not Found ... ( http://bit.ly/181JLLi )
985091;1421795673;jurov;it will get reorganized, so far only upstream 0.5.3 for testing
985092;1421795755;ben_vulpes;mircea_popescu: have you seen much actual derping in public about this nisman thing?
985093;1421795759;jurov;and it's open for ad space preorders
985094;1421795819;ben_vulpes;404, jurov
985095;1421795824;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes well, it's clarified some things for me. i live within blocks of the center of all "manifestations" "public meetings" and so forth. there's on average two a week of these. they're not all political, but the political ones seemed quite suspect to me
985096;1421795848;mircea_popescu;something like, "a bunch of people who appear bussed in, and some derps organizing". ie, it looked to me like astroturf.
985097;1421795865;jurov;ben_vulpes ahh it's the ersatz hosting
985098;1421795886;mircea_popescu;but tell you what, da got assassinated by president (there's absolutely no doubt cristina kirschener ordered it, and it was an assassinate) and... no manifestation.,
985099;1421795888;mircea_popescu;nothing.
985100;1421795947;mircea_popescu;so i am satisfied that all the "manifestations" are just so much empty theatre.
985101;1421795961;jurov;was there any idea how to refer to patched releases? i need some handle under which to publish them in lxr
985102;1421795975;mircea_popescu;mod6 ^
985103;1421795992;ben_vulpes;jurov: how about you hold off on publishing the patched set for now.
985104;1421796010;jurov;why?
985105;1421796045;ben_vulpes;do you plan to run lxr on each patch?
985106;1421796080;ben_vulpes;or to say, run an lxr instance for each successive patch?
985107;1421796095;jurov;it does support multiple versions
985108;1421796100;ben_vulpes;hm
985109;1421796103;ben_vulpes;well, nm. ignore me
985110;1421796155;ben_vulpes;you might consider using the patch names as a handle
985111;1421796198;ben_vulpes;mircea_popescu: what kinds of "public meetings" happen?
985112;1421796245;mircea_popescu;you familiar with this thing where a bunch of people holding signs walk or stand ?
985113;1421796250;ben_vulpes;myeah
985114;1421796253;mircea_popescu;that.
985115;1421796254;jurov;i'll return to these patches later, now i have to finally fix the s3 suffering
985116;1421796264;ben_vulpes;so they're *all* bogus?
985117;1421796269;mircea_popescu;yes, i believe so.
985118;1421796271;ben_vulpes;jurov: s3 is suffering
985119;1421796277;ben_vulpes;on whose dime?
985120;1421796290;mircea_popescu;govt can print. and does print. which is how it went bankrupt.
985121;1421796307;mircea_popescu;you can't get me to seriously think that some intricate point of policy yields 500 people holding signs in the street,
985122;1421796312;ben_vulpes;and will again indubitably
985123;1421796318;mircea_popescu;and then simple political murder, of the most shameless sort, fails to stir three dudes.
985124;1421796321;ben_vulpes;oh, this shit goes down for arcane policy points?
985125;1421796328;mircea_popescu;clearly the population is not naturally represented in this process.
985126;1421796339;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes to get a couple aweek you gotta scrape pretty thin yea ?
985127;1421796342;ben_vulpes;yeah i think i'm going to hold off on moving to argentina until the next round of food riots clear out.
985128;1421796350;mircea_popescu;i like food riots.
985129;1421796400;mircea_popescu;but for the sake of argument, explain to me how exactly is this any less than some derpy cartoonists being shot by some random idiots ?
985130;1421796413;mircea_popescu;i would expect a degree of magnitude more pressure as a result of this rather than that.
985131;1421796423;ben_vulpes;fear of those in power?
985132;1421796433;mircea_popescu;turns out, when a government is the terrorist, all is ok. but if individuals are the terrorists, oh noes, gotta make the press talk of nothing else for a month.
985133;1421796433;ben_vulpes;spectre of the old regime?
985134;1421796434;mircea_popescu;well...
985135;1421796461;mircea_popescu;i am personally in favour of so much individual terrorism until it is inconceivable for the slightest hint of the state doing it,
985136;1421796473;mircea_popescu;whereas individual terrorism is regarded as ordinary and perhaps welcome.
985137;1421796508;mircea_popescu;so... love food riots. if president + government get raped and impaled, all the better.
985138;1421796533;mircea_popescu;hopefully they get replaced, and the replacements get raped and impaled as well.
985139;1421796544;mircea_popescu;and may this process outlast the century.
985140;1421796627;hanbot;lol simmer down mp!
985141;1421798350;mod6;jurov: what is lxr?
985142;1421798837;mod6;this thingy? http://sourceforge.net/projects/lxr/
985143;1421798838;assbot;LXR Cross Referencer | SourceForge.net ... ( http://bit.ly/1zv6jiU )
985144;1421798871;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 38300 @ 0.00047409 = 18.1576 BTC [-]
985145;1421799273;scoopbot;New post on fr.anco.is by davout: http://fr.anco.is/2015/gavineries/
985146;1421799360;davout;mircea_popescu: "but for the sake of argument, explain to me how exactly is this any less than some derpy cartoonists being shot by some random idiots ?" <<< easier for the media to blame teh arabs than to blame their president i'd say
985147;1421799389;davout;but if this murder thing is that obvious, zero is indeed very low amount of protest
985148;1421800214;nubbins`;^
985149;1421800220;nubbins`;apathy is the new concern
985150;1421800237;mod6;davout: thx for posting.
985151;1421800335;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31600 @ 0.00047146 = 14.8981 BTC [-]
985152;1421801372;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20049 @ 0.00047146 = 9.4523 BTC [-]
985153;1421801885;nubbins`;https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=930649.msg10222936#msg10222936
985154;1421801886;assbot;Scam Warning: WoodCollector ... ( http://bit.ly/156xEuk )
985155;1421802109;kakobrekla;>the best guess from our devs is that the bid was filtered out because the highest bid was > lowest ask.
985156;1421802111;kakobrekla;hehe
985157;1421802738;thestringpuller;BingoBoingo: you around?
985158;1421802952;mircea_popescu;davout here's the story : big bombing here in the 70s, at the jewish center. dozens of victims.
985159;1421803024;mircea_popescu;teheran was behind it. first investigation said so. presidency (same fambly since forever) tabled it.
985160;1421803042;mircea_popescu;they created a "joint comission" with iran. it didn't get anywhere.
985161;1421803056;mircea_popescu;da finally came out and said, here's how the president is linked to the whole thing.
985162;1421803058;mircea_popescu;next day, he
985163;1421803062;mircea_popescu;'s "commited suicide".
985164;1421803065;felipelalli;I made a mess here with html formatting: http://qntra.net/2015/01/gavin-andresen-on-future-blockchain-security-i-dunno-lol/#comment-7830
985165;1421803066;assbot;Gavin Andresen On Future Blockchain Security: I Dunno LOL! | Qntra.net ... ( http://bit.ly/156Ddsx )
985166;1421803066;felipelalli;how can I fix that? I can't delete or update it.
985167;1421803273;mircea_popescu;"Edit: On IRC, Gavin explained he already talked to most (all?) big merchant processors and exchanges, and they were all onboard." derp.
985168;1421803331;asciilifeform;any reason to doubt that the usg exchanges and other scum are 'on board' (for what that's worth) ?
985169;1421803347;mircea_popescu;lots of reason to doubt that it's worth anything.
985170;1421803371;mircea_popescu;but yes, im sure gavin "talked" to everyone handled by the same office.
985171;1421803381;asciilifeform;the academic question of whether the abortus will die merciful death or live on as circus freak ?
985172;1421803390;mircea_popescu;this is fine, the us wants to be humiliated on this front too, let it be humiliated on this front too.
985173;1421803397;mircea_popescu;just as long as it's plainly clear what's what.
985174;1421803409;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform the "ukrainian government" still exists right ?
985175;1421803430;mircea_popescu;nubbins` http://gfx9.com/angry-lion-graphics-vector-free/163321 lol.
985176;1421803431;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/156EYGm )
985177;1421803432;mircea_popescu;win.
985178;1421803437;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: last i heard, not impaled yet
985179;1421803474;mircea_popescu;so if they're willing to commit to the same level, they'll get the same result.
985180;1421803553;nubbins`;https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=930649.msg10223137#msg10223137
985181;1421803554;assbot;Scam Warning: WoodCollector ... ( http://bit.ly/156FBiY )
985182;1421803607;nubbins`;so much gold
985183;1421803612;mircea_popescu;"Every step of the way he kept me updated. "
985184;1421803631;mircea_popescu;you know, the fucking exchanges send like an email on everything now?
985185;1421803636;nubbins`;"here is some hamster nesting sprinkled on your piece"
985186;1421803641;nubbins`;"I happen to be a woodworker of 40+ years myself (yes, I really am that old) and I contacted WoodCollecter just a couple days ago to see if he was interested in buying some Ironwood, although I never looked at his work. Now i see this and my mind is completely boggled. I did not read every post here, but I can affirm the opinion of a few I saw that have said that the intricate carving in question is done with a laser. I am 100% sure about
985187;1421803641;nubbins`; it. NO doubt, case closed."
985188;1421803642;mircea_popescu;from derpyexchange subject :"mouse movement detected"
985189;1421803651;nubbins`;"You can clearly see the line by line marks left on this piece that are definitely, without a doubt, with 100% certainty left by a laser engraver exactly the same as a printer does:"
985190;1421803653;nubbins`;lados
985191;1421803681;asciilifeform;lol, what happened to scams that were at least plausible.
985192;1421803700;mircea_popescu;this one is just as plausible. all you need is to be stupid.
985193;1421803716;asciilifeform;but folks that stupid ought to be buying brooklyn bridge.
985194;1421803745;asciilifeform;or at least playing straight pyramids.
985195;1421803746;mircea_popescu;He did the BTC from memory << ok that's pretty good lol
985196;1421803935;mircea_popescu;nubbins` at this point, expecting a "well of course SOME PARTS were done with a laser but that's not what we were talking about" pivot for the entire "you're a bad person for hurting my feelings and i'm putting together a lynch party" talk
985197;1421803940;mircea_popescu;!up beautyon
985198;1421804070;nubbins`;yuss
985199;1421804158;mats;is concealing the laser job hard?
985200;1421804165;mircea_popescu;no.
985201;1421804170;mats;sand the damn thing?
985202;1421804182;mircea_popescu;a) do not make too tiny cuts that wouldn't have survived mechanically b) clean the fucking piece.
985203;1421804198;mircea_popescu;this is like an E for effort level attempt.
985204;1421804251;mircea_popescu;very common problem people have on the internet, the "everyone is as stupid as me / everyone's a goat the same gender and age as me" issue.
985205;1421804270;asciilifeform;this was some kind of record, no ?
985206;1421804300;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 57273 @ 0.00047683 = 27.3095 BTC [+] {3} 
985207;1421804309;mircea_popescu;hm ?
985208;1421804319;asciilifeform;for sheer idiocy of the expected chump
985209;1421804388;mircea_popescu;hard to tell, this.
985210;1421804396;mircea_popescu;it's like a diamond, depends which way the light falls.
985211;1421804489;asciilifeform;speaking of diamonds (specifically of the synthetic variety), one possible observation here - not concerning the idiocy of the wood thing as such - is that anyone demanding a specific 'colour' (as per the 'monolith' essay) - i.e. provenance - of object, is begging to be chumped
985212;1421804522;asciilifeform;unless there is some unusually reliable record of the past concerning the object
985213;1421804534;mircea_popescu;"I can and will still prove to you that Nubbins is full of shit and on a smear campaign, i am now just choosing to do so directly with the people who matter, not every tom dick and harry that thinks they know a darn thing about woodworking"
985214;1421804545;mircea_popescu;he can still prove it to you, but only secretly and if oyu agree.
985215;1421804554;asciilifeform;like mr. spam!
985216;1421804559;mircea_popescu;quite.
985217;1421804569;mircea_popescu;the river shapes the rocks, right ?
985218;1421804590;asciilifeform;in BingoBoingo's words, the arse shapes the turd.
985219;1421804596;mircea_popescu;even better.
985220;1421804631;mircea_popescu;the funny thing (to me) here is, gotany idea how much of this shit floated before there was an internet ?
985221;1421804642;mircea_popescu;how many idiotic "artisans" filled each corner of england ?
985222;1421804674;asciilifeform;actually,
985223;1421804709;asciilifeform;i'm rather fond of old magazines. (mid 20th c. to late '70s, in particular.) the american ones are hilariously rich in sc4mz0r1ng
985224;1421804718;asciilifeform;of every conceivable variety.
985225;1421804729;nubbins`;nod
985226;1421804733;nubbins`;dem back-page ads
985227;1421804752;nubbins`;you have any idea how many fuckin miracles my folks didn't let me buy?!
985228;1421804765;asciilifeform;'improve your memory, guaranteed, with scientology therapy.' ('popular mechanics,' 1958. classified ad.)
985229;1421804802;asciilifeform;buried in ten thousand 'get rich growing turtles / sorting pigs / ... / ... - guaranteed'
985230;1421805157;asciilifeform;https://books.google.com/books?id=fdsDAAAAMBAJ&lpg=PP1&dq=popular%20mechanics%201958&pg=PA62#v=onepage&q=popular%20mechanics%201958&f=false
985231;1421805160;assbot;Popular Mechanics - Google Boeken ... ( http://bit.ly/156Nvc7 )
985232;1421805160;asciilifeform;^ example
985233;1421805183;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform i mean it deeper than that. i mean, actual quacks passing for professionals. see, since the internet there's a line being drawn : sure both gavin and wood dude pass to a certain crowd as idiots for the genuine article. but there exists a thinking crowd that sees through it.
985234;1421805206;mircea_popescu;fifty or five hundred years ago, that wasn't a crowd. it was sole individuals, and the idiots were still a crowd.
985235;1421805232;mircea_popescu;if gavin were a blacksmith, he probably would have passed for a good one. if this guy were an actual lumberjack, he'd probably have counted for a fine lumberjack.
985236;1421805252;mircea_popescu;notwithstanding that he'd have a complex story as to how earthworms cause trees to flower
985237;1421805298;asciilifeform;neh, he'd travel from town to town and proclaim that he'll fell tree with the power of farts
985238;1421805299;mircea_popescu;old men pretending to be teaching the young'uns "trigonometry" who thought pi = 3.
985239;1421805302;asciilifeform;for a small fee.
985240;1421805303;mircea_popescu;nah.
985241;1421805309;mircea_popescu;there weren't as many of these.
985242;1421805331;mircea_popescu;genders don't preserve through the eons, they bleed. the french soldier of 1800 wasn't a soldier in 1750. he was a peasant.
985243;1421805333;asciilifeform;that other kind - that was (and some would say still is!) - medicine.
985244;1421805362;asciilifeform;anyone who has read medical treatises from as little as two centuries ago, will see a place for gavin et al in that profession
985245;1421805378;mircea_popescu;yeah i guess medicine is particularly apt.
985246;1421805394;mircea_popescu;right about at the time they tarred and feathered that asinine idiot who said they should wash hands
985247;1421805397;mircea_popescu;AS IF THEY WERENT GENTLEMEN
985248;1421805409;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: http://www.exclassics.com/arist/ariintro.htm << familiar ?
985249;1421805410;assbot;Aristotle's Masterpiece -- Introduction ... ( http://bit.ly/156OIAp )
985250;1421805420;mircea_popescu;the type of plague that destroys the medical community, that guy.
985251;1421805421;asciilifeform;a real ripper of a time!
985252;1421805429;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform yes
985253;1421805600;mircea_popescu;"Question: Why would I go to the fucking dumpy ass trailer park called Lake Havasu when I am currently living in Carefree and 10 minutes from Scottsdale?" lol i was waiting for this.
985254;1421805610;mircea_popescu;i was thinking umm lake havasu wtf.
985255;1421805962;mircea_popescu;One night, Charles Manners (Lord Lieutenant of Ireland) appeared in the regal box at the theatre on the same night that Peg was attending the show with her girls. Some wags in the gallery began shouting at her �Oy Peg! Who slept with you last night, Peg?� Peg gave them an imperious look, threw a dramatic glance at the Lord Lieutenant and in a scolding tone, said: �Manners, you dogs!�
985256;1421806170;decimation;re: lake havasu < connecting to your medical deal, several people have died swimming in that lake as I recall http://www.havasunews.com/news/new-reports-of-rare-brain-infections-surfacing/article_adadef24-056a-11e3-b7a8-001a4bcf887a.html
985257;1421806172;assbot;New reports of rare brain infections surfacing - Havasu News: News ... ( http://bit.ly/156SjhE )
985258;1421806201;mircea_popescu;odd
985259;1421806205;decimation;it lives in warm freshwater, and finds that human brains are tastey
985260;1421806259;mats;that's terrifying
985261;1421806288;mats;thanks for ruining swimming decimation
985262;1421806302;asciilifeform;!s candiru
985263;1421806303;assbot;0 results for 'candiru' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=candiru
985264;1421806315;asciilifeform;^ also ruins swimming in certain spots
985265;1421806335;decimation;sometimes the lake swims in you
985266;1421806346;undata;warning to neti-pot users: same thing can happen... boil the water
985267;1421806556;mike_c;;;later tell BingoBoingo draft submitted
985268;1421806559;gribble;The operation succeeded.
985269;1421807071;mircea_popescu;!rated Luke-Jr
985270;1421807071;assbot;You rated user Luke-Jr on 24-Jul-2014, with a rating of -10, and supplied these additional notes: VERY old history of being untrustworthy. See http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=24-07-2014#767750 or inquire within.
985271;1421807084;mircea_popescu;needs something under -10
985272;1421807108;mircea_popescu;"Downsides of a hardfork are simply that all nodes who do not go along with the upgrade are left without a functioning Bitcoin node, and susceptible to fraud (double spending, etc). This means a mandatory update of every node in the wild, which could require hardware upgrades as well. Miners are not in any special position to decide a hardfork, and are at the mercy of the bitcoin users (mainly merchants and exchanges)
985273;1421807109;mircea_popescu;as far as hardforking goes." << the downside of a hardfork is that every user that buys into the gavin scam will be left without a bitcoin node.
985274;1421807117;mircea_popescu;he ~MAY~ receive a gavincoin node in exchange. maybe.
985275;1421807123;mircea_popescu;perhaps as valuable as an ethereum node, that.
985276;1421807221;mircea_popescu;;;sell 1000 Gavin Scamcoins @750 Bitcoin Future delivery. Larger amounts will get you an even better deal. Smaller amounts may be considered.
985277;1421807222;gribble;Error: 'Scamcoins' is not a valid price input.
985278;1421807230;mircea_popescu;;;sell 1000 "Gavin Scamcoins" @750 Bitcoin Future delivery. Larger amounts will get you an even better deal. Smaller amounts may be considered.
985279;1421807230;gribble;Error: '@750' is not a valid price input.
985280;1421807234;mircea_popescu;;;sell 1000 "Gavin Scamcoins" @ 750 Bitcoin Future delivery. Larger amounts will get you an even better deal. Smaller amounts may be considered.
985281;1421807234;gribble;Error: For identification purposes, you must be identified via GPG to use the order book.
985282;1421807240;mircea_popescu;doh.
985283;1421807252;mircea_popescu;!up Luke-Jr
985284;1421807256;Luke-Jr;mircea_popescu: no, what you describe is an attack disguised as a hardfork
985285;1421807263;mircea_popescu;exactly what this is.
985286;1421807264;Luke-Jr;a real hardfork is one where the community is in agreement on it
985287;1421807275;Luke-Jr;mircea_popescu: there isn't anything yet, he hasn't even proposed one
985288;1421807276;mircea_popescu;there is no "community" agreement. reddit isn;'t the community.
985289;1421807285;mircea_popescu;and what lies gavin is sprouting to an eager ear... his problem.
985290;1421807286;Luke-Jr;he's blogged about a possible proposal
985291;1421807302;mircea_popescu;i will just remind you that you actually believed the bfl scammers, and stained your own beard lieing about THAT delivery.
985292;1421807305;Luke-Jr;when he proposes it, then people can argue for/against it, and either it will gain consensus or it won't
985293;1421807312;Luke-Jr;I didn't lie.
985294;1421807350;mircea_popescu;yeah, you did. you were promised one thing, got another thing, they told you "it's just as good, pretend like you got the original". and you did. becauser you believed them, that delivery's imminent and errything.
985295;1421807373;Luke-Jr;mircea_popescu: what? I said I got what i got.
985296;1421807376;mircea_popescu;same shit's happening here. gavin is lying, and you're falling for it.
985297;1421807379;mircea_popescu;mneah.
985298;1421807391;Luke-Jr;mircea_popescu: did you read the discussion earlier in #bitcoin-dev ? nobody is going to just go along with this as it is right now.
985299;1421807427;mircea_popescu;heh.
985300;1421807476;Luke-Jr;mircea_popescu: Gavin wants to know what has to happen for people to agree to it - he isn't trying to force it through without consensus
985301;1421807512;mircea_popescu;;;sell 1000 "Gavin Scamcoins" @ 750 Bitcoin Future delivery. Larger amounts will get you an even better deal. Smaller amounts may be considered.
985302;1421807512;gribble;Order id 21920 created.
985303;1421807512;Luke-Jr;so unless you think dogmatically blocksize must remain 1 MB forever.. tell him what needs to happen to make you comfortable with it
985304;1421807521;mircea_popescu;;;sell 1000 "Gavin Scamcoins" @ 750 BTC Future delivery. Larger amounts will get you an even better deal. Smaller amounts may be considered.
985305;1421807521;gribble;Order id 21921 created.
985306;1421807559;mircea_popescu;including the actual bitcoin foundation is the correct move there. mod6 ben_vulpes are in charge.
985307;1421807601;Luke-Jr;?
985308;1421807676;mircea_popescu;http://thebitcoin.foundation/ <
985309;1421807677;assbot;..::[ The Bitcoin Foundation ]::.. ... ( http://bit.ly/1ykLRzl )
985310;1421807838;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34900 @ 0.00046197 = 16.1228 BTC [-] {2} 
985311;1421807908;mircea_popescu;kakobrekla hey is there going to be a party on the log's 1mn th line ?
985312;1421807909;Luke-Jr;so is this a Bitcoin Core fork?
985313;1421807915;mircea_popescu;yes.
985314;1421807935;undata;danielpbarron: damned quick on the twitter draw
985315;1421807959;danielpbarron;:D
985316;1421808014;Luke-Jr;is there a place I can see the code? the ML archives linked a github, but it is 404
985317;1421808031;mircea_popescu;jurov << ppl be complaining they can't see teh code ?
985318;1421808084;mod6;what's the link?
985319;1421808094;Luke-Jr;github.com/adlai/bitcoin
985320;1421808114;asciilifeform;see the code << they haven't a copy of 'tar' ?
985321;1421808142;mod6;Luke-Jr: not even sure where you found that link..
985322;1421808145;Luke-Jr;I see no tar, except a build
985323;1421808155;Luke-Jr;mod6: http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2014-November/000011.html
985324;1421808156;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1BCqhcs )
985325;1421808319;mod6;If you don't want to bother digging through the mailing list for patches, you can just dl the tarballs under "Submitted Patches" on thebitcoin.foundation site
985326;1421808346;mod6;Although the rm_checkpoints one will probably be tabled before the end of the month.
985327;1421808352;Luke-Jr;I don't want patches, I want the complete code.
985328;1421808374;Luke-Jr;what are the patches even against in the first place?
985329;1421808385;mod6;Well, that's what there is: the v0.5.3 base + patch files.
985330;1421808388;Apocalyptic;0.5.3 afaik
985331;1421808397;decimation;Luke-Jr: how do you discern the trustworthiness of the author?
985332;1421808405;Luke-Jr;which patch contains the post-0.5.3 hardforks?
985333;1421808412;Luke-Jr;decimation: why do I care about the author?
985334;1421808419;decimation;indeed.
985335;1421808450;mod6;there is not anything post v0.5.3 patched in at this point.
985336;1421808464;Luke-Jr;so it doesn't even work?
985337;1421808469;mod6;it does work
985338;1421808491;Luke-Jr;it can't, if you don't have the 0.8.1 hardfork patched in..
985339;1421808578;mod6;http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=V2PzW2LP
985340;1421808579;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1573yXv )
985341;1421808638;kakobrekla;it depend what means 'work' ?
985342;1421808648;Luke-Jr;mod6: so it's like 3000 blocks behind?
985343;1421808662;mod6;dude, that was published on the 1st of january.
985344;1421808685;Luke-Jr;ok, so how are you getting it to work without the hardfork?
985345;1421808733;decimation;do you have a document describing what exactly changed in this hardfork?
985346;1421808765;Luke-Jr;the bdb lock limitation was removed
985347;1421808840;undata;Luke-Jr: inspect db_config.tar.gz maybe
985348;1421808852;undata;that one diddles the knobs on bdb
985349;1421808908;Luke-Jr;hmm
985350;1421808912;Luke-Jr;that *might* work
985351;1421808936;*;Luke-Jr compares with the 0.5.x backport of the hardfork
985352;1421809036;Luke-Jr;why not base it on 0.5.7 or 0.5.8rc3 btw?
985353;1421809122;scoopbot;New post on Qntra.net by cazalla: http://qntra.net/2015/01/robert-faiella-aka-btcking-sentenced-to-four-years-in-prison/
985354;1421809127;mod6;i cant believe im going to do this
985355;1421809131;mod6;!up Luke-Jr
985356;1421809170;mod6;it was selected because "reasons"
985357;1421809179;Luke-Jr;I think the db_config patch may explain why it works, but could be potentially inadequate for the current consensus rules
985358;1421809198;Luke-Jr;looks like Gavin's recommendations, which were lame
985359;1421809222;mod6;which are those?
985360;1421809246;Luke-Jr;dunno, it's lost in history now
985361;1421809277;Luke-Jr;the 0.5.x backport just changed set_lk_max_locks to 537000
985362;1421809292;Luke-Jr;not sure why this patch is reducing set_lg_max..
985363;1421809323;felipelalli;MPEx are going to negotiate Gavin Coins?
985364;1421809394;nubbins`;<+Luke-Jr> why not base it on 0.5.7 or 0.5.8rc3 btw? <<< i said 0.6.1...
985365;1421809405;nubbins`;it was decided that 0.5.3 was the earliest that'd still work.
985366;1421809436;nubbins`;or rather, that 0.5.3 was the point at which no further breaking changes were implemented
985367;1421809463;Luke-Jr;nubbins`: 0.4.9rc3 should work I think
985368;1421809470;Luke-Jr;I maintained that up until Sep 2013
985369;1421809479;decimation;https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/blob/master/src/db.cpp#L89
985370;1421809481;assbot;bitcoin/db.cpp at master · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1576QtO )
985371;1421809486;Luke-Jr;including through the 0.8.1 hardfork
985372;1421809509;Luke-Jr;decimation: Bitcoin Core does not use bdb for the blockchain
985373;1421809516;Luke-Jr;since 0.8.0
985374;1421809536;Luke-Jr;ie, those limits are for the wallet
985375;1421809644;Luke-Jr;https://gitorious.org/bitcoin/bitcoind-stable/commit/4a89522c22e07a640463292b212ecdf31037a8c4 is the 0.4.x commit for the hardfork
985376;1421809645;assbot;Bugfix: Bump lk_max_locks default to 537000, to safely handle reorgs ... - Gitorious ... ( http://bit.ly/1577ozQ )
985377;1421809683;Luke-Jr;https://gitorious.org/bitcoin/bitcoind-stable/commit/b4e9cd8e8ab310bf341103bac1e9640e27cc7488 is also informative in that respect
985378;1421809685;assbot;Check effective maximum bdb locks (possibly overridden in DB_CONFIG),... - Gitorious ... ( http://bit.ly/1577zv1 )
985379;1421809694;*;mod6 looks
985380;1421809891;nubbins`;tracking down vintage 0.5.3 and applying .foundation patches = fun times
985381;1421809928;nubbins`;start with chicken.tar.gz and go from there
985382;1421809939;mod6;i've got a script now...
985383;1421809958;mod6;but i'll publish it to the list with some refinements before the end of the month
985384;1421809959;nubbins`;it's all in easily-digestible chunks, no sweat to eyeball each patch & fully understand what's going on
985385;1421809961;*;mod6 finds
985386;1421809962;Luke-Jr;"tracking down" as if it's disappeared
985387;1421809973;nubbins`;did YOU save the MD5 sums? 8)
985388;1421809987;Luke-Jr;nubbins`: my git client did
985389;1421809994;Luke-Jr;also, MD5 is not safe for this
985390;1421810008;nubbins`;and so disappearing is not precisely the concern :D
985391;1421810013;mod6;http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=U75B7820
985392;1421810014;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1zvrJwi )
985393;1421810035;mod6;just need to change ``HOME'' to where you wanna build
985394;1421810041;Luke-Jr;do you guys dislike git or something? O.o
985395;1421810077;Luke-Jr;git basically uses a "blockchain" and makes it very hard to rewrite history
985396;1421810186;mod6;we wanted unified diffs we could sign
985397;1421810307;Luke-Jr;mod6: git supports signing commits
985398;1421810320;Luke-Jr;although I suppose that doesn't help if you want multiple people to sign them
985399;1421810349;mod6;yeah, there was a whole discussion surrounding this entire process. it's in the logs.
985400;1421810395;Luke-Jr;oh well, I guess it's managable if you don't plan to do much maintenance to it
985401;1421810398;decimation;Luke-Jr: the idea is that signed patches would be read by people, who would then sign
985402;1421810515;Luke-Jr;yeah, it's definitely a shortcoming of git
985403;1421810548;Luke-Jr;anyhow, if the goal is oldest version, I'd recommend going off 0.4.x; either way, I'd recommend fixing the bdb hardfork
985404;1421810580;Luke-Jr;and I hope Gavin doesn't plan to just ignore DarkWallet and your fork - though I wouldn't be surprised if he did to be honest
985405;1421810619;Luke-Jr;might help if the devs here participated in the discussions in #bitcoin-dev when it came up.. maybe
985406;1421810651;decimation;I'm not sure folks here are interested in 'maintaining' as much as understanding and recreating
985407;1421810652;asciilifeform;Luke-Jr: you're still thinking in terms of persuasion. we don't need to persuade the usg stooge of anything.
985408;1421810703;Luke-Jr;asciilifeform: I agree Gavin should persuade you - but he will probably ignore you if you're not there discussing it
985409;1421810729;Luke-Jr;(persuade you, as opposed to you persuading him to stop)
985410;1421810770;Luke-Jr;(ugh, I'm being unclear: I mean the onus is on him to convince you, and you shouldn't have to convince him)
985411;1421810827;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 88901 @ 0.00046346 = 41.2021 BTC [+] {2} 
985412;1421810875;mircea_popescu;!up Blazedout419
985413;1421810904;decimation;why would we care what some guy (like gavin) commits into some random github repo?
985414;1421810909;mircea_popescu;Blazedout419 hey, my question to you is, did you actually pay 14k for that guy's wooden thing, as represented ? or was it more like a sweetheart sort of deal for advertising sake, like the sillycon valley does ?
985415;1421810918;mircea_popescu;i dunno any better, so ima take your word for it.
985416;1421810943;Luke-Jr;decimation: it's not "some random github repo", it's the code that most nodes *will* be running unless someone objects
985417;1421810954;mircea_popescu;!up Luke-Jr
985418;1421810955;Luke-Jr;decimation: also, Gavin is no longer the final word for any git repo
985419;1421810966;mircea_popescu;when did that happen ?
985420;1421810972;Luke-Jr;a few months ago IIRC
985421;1421810974;mircea_popescu;nubbins` darling how did YOU get sexist ?
985422;1421811284;mircea_popescu;Luke-Jr anyway, inasmuch as everyone actually wants bitcoin to prevail, divergence of opinion isn't much of a problem. however, the conservative rather than the progressive approach must be observed. change doesn't happen just for the sake of changing things. this isn't a fad or an ipad gizmo. if consensus can't be reached for whatever reason, whoever doesn't like it leaves and starts over, rather than pretending the o
985423;1421811284;mircea_popescu;pposite.
985424;1421811395;Luke-Jr;mircea_popescu: I'm definitely in favour of taking a conservative approach, and I'm pretty sure most of the Bitcoin Core team is as well. I think Gavin was probably frustrated earlier when it came up in #bitcoin-dev because nobody could give him a straightforward "way to convince everyone"
985425;1421811431;mircea_popescu;sometimes we don't get what we want. that doesn't mean our wants now have a wild card and nothing else matters anymore. this isn't school.
985426;1421811465;mircea_popescu;what's next, start assaulting women because "nobody told me how to seduce any woman" ?
985427;1421811482;mircea_popescu;seems a little too geeky.
985428;1421811490;Luke-Jr;mircea_popescu: If Gavin wanted to force the hardfork, he wouldn't be frustrated at his inability to convince people ;)
985429;1421811570;mircea_popescu;im not going to carry that argument.
985430;1421811916;mircea_popescu;!up Trollmeister
985431;1421811918;mircea_popescu;!up elgrecoFL
985432;1421812057;Luke-Jr;anyhow, I don't think Gavin knows people here have concerns. I'd suggest doing a writeup of what those concerns are, and what Gavin needs to do if he wants your approval for a hardfork. I know you shouldn't *have to*, but otherwise I don't see any way this is likely to come to a resolution.
985433;1421812138;mircea_popescu;people here don't "have concerns". people here are going to skin the fork as proposed so far, no argument there. gavin can start reading or press ahead, either way.
985434;1421812140;Luke-Jr;especially if Gavin has the big merchants and exchanges onboard - if they follow his lead on this, everyone who wants to buy stuff with Bitcoin is likely to follow along too, for better or worse
985435;1421812151;mircea_popescu;the one large merchant left in bitcoin so far is mpex.
985436;1421812151;Luke-Jr;"skin the fork"?
985437;1421812161;mircea_popescu;but if you absolutely must see bitpay die before you wake up, it can be arranged.
985438;1421812173;Luke-Jr;please. how many people actually even use MPEX?
985439;1421812173;mircea_popescu;coinbase made the round, which i guess gains it a little space. NOT that much.
985440;1421812186;mircea_popescu;enough to make me 600 btc in the month bitpay made a loss.
985441;1421812200;Luke-Jr;that could be a single person with a lot of volume
985442;1421812217;Luke-Jr;head counts matter more than volume sometimes
985443;1421812217;mircea_popescu;point being, mpex is, currently, > 50% of "bitcoin business". like it or not, it's a fact.
985444;1421812224;mircea_popescu;not in money, no.
985445;1421812236;mircea_popescu;but if headcount feels the need to learn this through headcollisions with hard objects, it may.
985446;1421812308;Luke-Jr;I find it very hard to believe MPEX is even 1% of bitcoin business
985447;1421812323;mircea_popescu;right.
985448;1421812366;mircea_popescu;it's so far 100% of the bitcoin "told the usg to get fucked" party. once you digest that you might be in a better position to evaluate who matters and who doesn't,
985449;1421812374;mircea_popescu;than if going by conference headcounds or w/e.
985450;1421812434;Luke-Jr;look, I respect your right to be free of US interference since you're outside the US, but governmental politics has basically nothing to do with hardforks
985451;1421812462;mircea_popescu;globalisation just turned off hm ?
985452;1421812471;Luke-Jr;?
985453;1421812518;Luke-Jr;I can't imagine how the block size is at all related to governments, or why a government would aim to change it.
985454;1421812523;mircea_popescu;you don't get a private island just because you want one. things have to do with each other, it's the way of the world.
985455;1421812530;mircea_popescu;listen, arguing to ignorance is really bad engineering.
985456;1421812541;mircea_popescu;i don't know why a whale would want to be 20 tons. so what of it.
985457;1421812554;Luke-Jr;you think the block size issue is USG-inspired? what do they have to gain from it?
985458;1421812589;mircea_popescu;this is too lengthy a discussion. bitcoin is perceived as a threat by pretty much every central bank, you know that much.
985459;1421812634;Luke-Jr;sure - how does that cross over into the block size matter?
985460;1421812721;mircea_popescu;there's many intertwined issues there. the outermost layer is, to establish whether an english speaking cia visitor is even in a position to push through a hardfork.
985461;1421812749;Luke-Jr;by himself? then it's a simple "no" I hope
985462;1421812767;Luke-Jr;any hardfork needs at least a supermajority of bitcoin users
985463;1421812806;mircea_popescu;his rethoric was different a coupla months ago, and as far as anyone can tell hasn't actually caught up with your representation thereof.
985464;1421812822;mircea_popescu;but i guess this is coming
985465;1421813026;decimation;it seems to me that the enemies of bitcoin would love to think that they could 'update' the protocol as they desire
985466;1421813030;decimation;like the ietf & http
985467;1421813133;mircea_popescu;Luke-Jr: although I suppose that doesn't help if you want multiple people to sign them << the idea isn't to sign commits, but to sign reads. << see http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-09-2014#824250 http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=22-10-2014#888473 it's an older point this, about software accountability.
985468;1421813133;assbot;Logged on 10-09-2014 11:54:21; mircea_popescu: other than proper cryptography for all foss, as discussed coupla days re gentoo overlays etc, i would fucking love for all lines of code to come with a counter.
985469;1421813133;assbot;Logged on 22-10-2014 18:53:07; mircea_popescu: it's one thing to trust this rnd function because asciilifeform and 25 others signed on reading it.
985470;1421813179;mircea_popescu;decimation for sure, making it plain that bitcoin isn't a sort of http / pki / dns / ietf / whatever captive protocol in the courtyard of some us dependent or another is quite valuable. first and foremost for bitcoin.
985471;1421813183;mircea_popescu;then for everyone using it.
985472;1421813476;mircea_popescu;!up Father_MAXI
985473;1421813573;ben_vulpes;tango is harrrrd
985474;1421813596;mircea_popescu;only if you're dancing it.
985475;1421813627;mircea_popescu;"Likewise, in the worst case if Bitcoin did overshoot to become centralized alt-coins and the market would again solve the problem."
985476;1421813640;mircea_popescu;reading reddit is like drinking old cheese.
985477;1421813650;mircea_popescu;and this is summaries.
985478;1421813666;ben_vulpes;anyone getting spammed with CTCP messages from a mramberg?
985479;1421813753;mircea_popescu;you can just drop ctcp you know.
985480;1421813784;ben_vulpes;i guess i do now
985481;1421813810;mircea_popescu;i am kinda shocked nobody is wanting to buy gavincoins from me for a fucking steep discount, incidentally.
985482;1421813841;mircea_popescu;this is like ether all over again. "oh we have tons of support!!1" "how come nobody is trading ?" "it';s mystical support. woodcollector knows all about it. we'll send you a private video." etc.
985483;1421813877;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21900 @ 0.00045657 = 9.9989 BTC [-] {2} 
985484;1421814099;mircea_popescu;!s pierre_rochard
985485;1421814100;assbot;331 results for 'pierre_rochard' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=pierre_rochard
985486;1421814129;mircea_popescu;;;later tell pierre_rochard errything fine up there ?
985487;1421814129;gribble;The operation succeeded.
985488;1421814177;mircea_popescu;this is a pretty lulzy snippet :
985489;1421814180;mircea_popescu;"tldr: economically speaking, core dev team should not worry about increasing the block size limit until at the very least we see average transaction fees consistently above the 0.0001 btc 'minimum'. At that point we can revisit this debate. There are other questions about feasibility and politics that I'll leave out."
985490;1421814207;decimation;re: woodcollector scam << the one I see in random us fishwrappers is 'fuel saving magnets' https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fuel_saving_device#Magnets
985491;1421814209;assbot;Fuel saving device - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ... ( http://bit.ly/1Epdb0n )
985492;1421814209;mircea_popescu;reddit : "You're only looking at the technical side of it. Leaving the 1 MB block size issue for later is risky due to political/social reasons. Every hard fork brings with it uncertainty and risks because it requires wide consensus to be carried out smoothly. As long as these risks hang over the Bitcoin economy, many companies will be hesitant to make long-term commitments to the Bitcoin economy. Afterall, a hard fork
985493;1421814209;mircea_popescu; could lead to Bitcoin community splitting into two networks, or a hard fork could end up not happening due to community infighting. Both of these would be disastrous for the Bitcoin economy.
985494;1421814209;mircea_popescu;The 1 MB block size limit needs to removed as soon as possible, and replaced with something that scales automatically, rather than through risky hard forks that require political consensus. It's 2015, Microsoft, one of the largest companies in the world, accepts Bitcoin, and the Bitcoin network can only handle 3 transactions per second, unless there is a hard fork. Getting rid of the 1 MB block size limit is long overd
985495;1421814212;mircea_popescu;ue.
985496;1421814216;mircea_popescu;With the limit in place, Bitcoin runs the risk of stagnating. When the limit is lifted, I predict we will see mass adoption."
985497;1421814240;mircea_popescu;because a) we deeply care about the "i predicts" of propaganda agents ; b) "hurry up guise, if we don't do it while nobody's looking we won't be able to do it at all"
985498;1421814242;decimation;lol yeah joe sixpack is not using bitcoin because of the block size limit
985499;1421814281;mircea_popescu;what sort of rotten oats would an ass have to eat to imagine that something that couldn't be done later should be done now. it's the screaming declaration of "we don't represent anyone but wish to rule everyone"
985500;1421814312;mircea_popescu;decimation the craftyness of it, tho. who is presented as the golden standard ? microsoft. because why ?
985501;1421814316;mircea_popescu;because obviously.
985502;1421814361;mircea_popescu;http://trilema.com/2014/the-battlefield-of-the-future/ << this makes exquisite companion reading.
985503;1421814362;assbot;The battlefield of the future pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.  ... ( http://bit.ly/1EpdAzY )
985504;1421814475;decimation;the Legislative Assembly was more than happy to recognize Georges Danton as their leader after he marched in front of the 20,000 strong mob
985505;1421814486;mircea_popescu;glwt.
985506;1421814503;mircea_popescu;reddit mob is not worth the pixels it's printed on.
985507;1421814617;decimation;well, one lesson is that Danton had an organization.  it is odd that the supposed right-wing supporters of heirarchy are usually out-flanked by their enemies on their left when it comes to organizing the little people
985508;1421814804;mircea_popescu;decimation i don't really see it the same way. when nanotube was disappeared earlier this month, gribble got replaced within something like a week. seems to me the organisation's fine.
985509;1421814832;mircea_popescu;of course, the right doesn't generally create unruly mobs of idiots that spout nonsense. this, principally, because the right is not comfortable for idiots.
985510;1421814854;mircea_popescu;how's this a problem anyway ? pre-bitcoin, pre-gpg, etc, i can see it. today ? who gives a shit ?
985511;1421814913;mircea_popescu;similarly one could observe that the soviet union had very impressive victory day parades. sure. this, principally, because the soviet citizen had little better to do, either productively, for leisure or for his own safety.
985512;1421814956;mircea_popescu;i'm not about to regret that reagan didn't make more us workers go to party indoctrination class.
985513;1421815043;decimation;yeah that's a good point, the heirarchy is too busy running actual business - it doesn't have time to prance around and promise the moon to the sans-culottes
985514;1421815114;mircea_popescu;everyone i know that's not dumb is busy doing shit. the people "discussing" on reddit are an entirely different brand. if tomorrow they were replaced with a frog infested pond, what'd happen ?
985515;1421815122;mircea_popescu;would you even notice that same day ? that week ? ever ?
985516;1421815158;asciilifeform;pond <<< brekekekex koax koax.
985517;1421815161;mircea_popescu;"Do you have any anecdotal examples of crypto users on the side lines saying things like,
985518;1421815161;mircea_popescu;Yes, I personally have lost enthusiasm for recruiting merchants, because I don't know what will happen once 1 MB block size limit is reached, "
985519;1421815187;mircea_popescu;dude "lost enthusiasm". for what ? for "recruiting merchants". meanwhile... http://trilema.com/2014/bitcoin-in-argentina-exactly-nothing-to-do-with-the-derps/
985520;1421815187;assbot;Bitcoin in Argentina : exactly nothing to do with the derps pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.  ... ( http://bit.ly/1yp9fMi )
985521;1421815211;mircea_popescu;i suppose bitpay "embassy" is still deserted because whatever, people were insecure about what may happen if the bitpie in the sky is smaller than perceived.
985522;1421815325;mircea_popescu;Luke-Jr Name a single Bitcoin expert who thinks 1 MB blocks will be sufficient forever? << 1mb blocks MAY be sufficient forever.
985523;1421815342;mircea_popescu;the onus to show that they DEFINITELY WILL NOT BE is on you lot of "bitcoin experts"
985524;1421815396;decimation;asciilifeform: maryland has a surplus of frogs & toads
985525;1421815444;mircea_popescu;;;gettrust mircea_popescu luceo
985526;1421815445;gribble;WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user mircea_popescu to user luceo: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 5 via 10 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=mircea_popescu&dest=luceo | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=luceo | Rated since: Tue Jun 12 14:09:09 2012
985527;1421815483;asciilifeform;decimation: wash., d.c. area specifically. swamp.
985528;1421815514;mircea_popescu;this idiocy with "Assurance contracts" takes the cake.
985529;1421815517;decimation;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=11-01-2015#973605
985530;1421815517;assbot;Logged on 11-01-2015 22:42:34; decimation: at any rate, this is a problem for actual miners to solve in the future, and they will likely despise any actions taken today on their behalf
985531;1421815556;mircea_popescu;"hey listen, we have a perfect system that works in proved practice to reward miners. let's replace it with some libertard idiocy that a) provedly never worked in practice and b) for well understood theoretical reasons that we don't like so they don't really exist"
985532;1421815586;mircea_popescu;assurance contracts. srsly. what's next, replace wallets with obamacare website ?
985533;1421815604;mircea_popescu;will totally work. unless you know, for a few months when launched. and well... if you make a wallet that's not your walletr.
985534;1421815646;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30000 @ 0.00047253 = 14.1759 BTC [+]
985535;1421815699;decimation;10,000 unborn souls vote for hardfork
985536;1421815732;mircea_popescu;heh
985537;1421815837;mircea_popescu;if i wasn't so disinterested i'd have someone mine reddit to get a relative comparison of votes/words wasted on gavin's coin vs neobee
985538;1421815854;mircea_popescu;the same sort of rabid idiocy seems to be wafting from both of them. half curious if the same "pr" company hired for both.
985539;1421816031;undata;and libertarians claim to be goldbugs...
985540;1421816050;undata;yet they want bitcoin to be the mastercard network
985541;1421816065;asciilifeform;'they' 'want'
985542;1421816075;mircea_popescu;quite. no they, and nothing's being particularly wanted.
985543;1421816078;undata;this guy, horde of upvoting minions, whoever
985544;1421816235;*;undata is merely wondering why anyone would think "supah fast transactions" and not "immutable unit of value for all time" is the thing
985545;1421816274;mircea_popescu;because that anyone has no money.
985546;1421816283;mod6;yeah, they're spenders, not savers.
985547;1421816328;asciilifeform;this seems more like a question of who folks imagine themselves as, rather than what they are
985548;1421816370;asciilifeform;i would dare to suggest that plenty of folks who haven't anything to save, for instance, like the proper bitcoin quite a bit
985549;1421816399;asciilifeform;but others, with enormous incomes (denominated in, e.g., usd) - hate.
985550;1421816421;mircea_popescu;good point.
985551;1421816468;mircea_popescu;" phantomcircuitDiablo-D3, the real danger here is convincing people who dont truly understand the problem that something is safe which is in fact extremely risky"
985552;1421816476;*;asciilifeform is not a rich fellow, and was much poorer still when he read the satoshi paper
985553;1421816477;mircea_popescu;basically, gavin has pretty much 0 support in -dev.
985554;1421816486;mircea_popescu;but he's willing to buy people drinks in san juan, who knows, maybe then.
985555;1421816559;asciilifeform;speaking of satoshi's paper, i learned by accident that someone sells a printed & bound 'collected satoshi crap'
985556;1421816569;asciilifeform;not incl. the 0.1 source, unfortunately
985557;1421816649;mircea_popescu;i don't think the 0.1 source was ever actually released
985558;1421816672;*;asciilifeform distinctly recalls a tarball with that label
985559;1421816725;asciilifeform;http://www.bitcointrading.com/forum/bitcoin-clients/original-bitcoin-source-code-archives
985560;1421816727;assbot;Original Bitcoin Source Code Archives - bitcointrading.com - bitcoin trading buy/sell classifieds forum ... ( http://bit.ly/1JbFlwM )
985561;1421816728;asciilifeform;^ seems to have it
985562;1421816782;mircea_popescu;uh
985563;1421816794;asciilifeform;i once worked with a fellow who had a poster containing, in reasonably readable print, linux 0.01 kernel.
985564;1421816798;mircea_popescu;you know, that's the guy that came up with a glbse asset that consisted of buying lottery tickets ?
985565;1421816816;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: for all i know, it's hitler.
985566;1421816816;mircea_popescu;but anyway, i rly dun recall, mebbe it was after all.
985567;1421816820;mod6;lol
985568;1421816832;mircea_popescu;i had thought it started with 2.something
985569;1421816842;asciilifeform;0.1.3 seems to be the earliest mass-circulated version.
985570;1421816873;asciilifeform;https://github.com/trottier/original-bitcoin/tree/master/src << claims to be a copy
985571;1421816874;assbot;original-bitcoin/src at master · trottier/original-bitcoin · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1JbFU9S )
985572;1421816884;mircea_popescu;ah ok 1.3
985573;1421816914;asciilifeform;incidentally, it would be very spiffy if someone here (specifically) has a vintage copy of either of these on his disk, from those days, and would be willing to sign it.
985574;1421816954;asciilifeform;lottery hitler probably has not the brain mass to doctor his archive, but why leave it to fate.
985575;1421816965;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform incidentally, re go : you know the only other bitcoin implementation is btcd, written in go ?
985576;1421816969;mod6;asciilifeform: werd
985577;1421816980;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: there was another, iirc, in c
985578;1421816988;mircea_popescu;i thought that one died.
985579;1421816991;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: i have not tested it
985580;1421817024;asciilifeform;there is also something that looked, on cursory inspection, quite like a bitcoind, in python
985581;1421817038;asciilifeform;haven't tried it either.
985582;1421817040;mircea_popescu;that died a year prior to the cx
985583;1421817090;asciilifeform;there is even, apparently, a haskell version.
985584;1421817098;asciilifeform;(haven't tried, ...)
985585;1421817111;asciilifeform;https://github.com/haskoin/haskoin
985586;1421817112;assbot;haskoin/haskoin · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1E0BLr1 )
985587;1421817119;mod6;bitcoin in C is sexy
985588;1421817186;asciilifeform;now, whether even one of these (or ones not mentioned here) is fit for use in anger, on the battlefield - i cannot say.
985589;1421817842;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 62200 @ 0.00045216 = 28.1244 BTC [-] {2} 
985590;1421817913;Pierre_Rochard;“errything fine up there ?” <- debatable, I’ve been studying tax accounting, which can be deleterious to the mind
985591;1421818013;mircea_popescu;o there he is.
985592;1421818018;Pierre_Rochard;The point I was trying to make is that Gavinonomics has no notion of demand elasticity for bitcoin transactions
985593;1421818021;mircea_popescu;how's the "talking sense at redditards" business going ?
985594;1421818044;Pierre_Rochard;horribly, it’s a particularly terrible form of procrastination
985595;1421818051;mircea_popescu;it doesn't seem to have much notion of economics in any sense.
985596;1421818055;mircea_popescu;hehe i hear that a lot.
985597;1421819489;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 44800 @ 0.00047758 = 21.3956 BTC [+] {2} 
985598;1421819550;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5050 @ 0.00048855 = 2.4672 BTC [+]
985599;1421819574;mircea_popescu;;;seen bitstein
985600;1421819574;gribble;bitstein was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 5 days, 8 hours, 59 minutes, and 15 seconds ago: <bitstein> https://twitter.com/a_greenberg/status/555827037488037889
985601;1421819578;ben_vulpes;<mircea_popescu> davout here's the story : big bombing here in the 70s, at the jewish center. dozens of victims. << was this a proxy attack on israel?
985602;1421819593;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes for all i know it was just overflowing idiocy.
985603;1421819612;ben_vulpes;it being the jewish center?
985604;1421819624;ben_vulpes;the bombing?
985605;1421819691;mircea_popescu;well both.
985606;1421819703;mircea_popescu;there's no discernible benefit to it or anything.
985607;1421819802;ben_vulpes;<asciilifeform> any reason to doubt that the usg exchanges and other scum are 'on board' (for what that's worth) ? << it is going to be *fascinating* to see how coinbase et. al are going to handle this
985608;1421819868;mircea_popescu;coinbase made its round, so it may have a little leeway.
985609;1421820244;mircea_popescu;!up coderwill
985610;1421820550;ben_vulpes;http://bitbet.us/bet/1093/bitcoin-main-net-block-size-to-increase-in/ << could such a block get 50 confirmations and a reorg happen later? that's not even 10 hours, right?
985611;1421820551;assbot;BitBet - Bitcoin main net block size to increase in 2015 :: 0.13 B (11%) on Yes, 1.07 B (89%) on No | closing in 9 months 4 weeks | weight: 94`308 (100`000 to 1) ... ( http://bit.ly/1sXn2t1 )
985612;1421820633;ben_vulpes;sure enough, brief discussion in teh lawgs
985613;1421820674;ben_vulpes;then off into a discussion about bitbet mathematical/statistical arcana
985614;1421820679;ben_vulpes;god i love you guys
985615;1421820706;mircea_popescu;did i miss teh log ?!
985616;1421820719;ben_vulpes;lol did you miss it
985617;1421820739;ben_vulpes;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=08-01-2015#970329 << you fucking wrote it
985618;1421820739;assbot;Logged on 08-01-2015 22:31:37; mircea_popescu: "Gavincoin orphan chain to reach 50 blocks before being abandoned" is kinda not the same as "Blockchain will increase"
985619;1421820753;mircea_popescu;that's ... two weeks ago ?
985620;1421820772;ben_vulpes;memory loss setting in already?
985621;1421820817;mircea_popescu;no but i was expecting today's log.
985622;1421820829;mircea_popescu;i thought you were up to date!!1
985623;1421820831;ben_vulpes;anyways
985624;1421820836;mircea_popescu;anyway, read today first, get back to 8th after.
985625;1421820836;ben_vulpes;no no i went searching for that
985626;1421820840;mircea_popescu;oh oh
985627;1421820857;ben_vulpes;i'm just sitting here imagining the ways gavincoin could play out
985628;1421820858;mircea_popescu;dude im tired.
985629;1421820858;ben_vulpes;reading logs
985630;1421820862;ben_vulpes;500 behind
985631;1421820864;ben_vulpes;you're tired?
985632;1421820866;mircea_popescu;yeah now i see what you mean :)
985633;1421820872;mircea_popescu;took me a while.
985634;1421821075;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12100 @ 0.000465 = 5.6265 BTC [-]
985635;1421821289;ben_vulpes;<Luke-Jr> [] not sure why this patch is reducing set_lg_max.. << lol i love the stream of consciousness as Luke-Jr reads through source
985636;1421821551;mircea_popescu;https://blog.conformal.com/the-bitcoin-consensus-red-herring/
985637;1421821553;assbot;The Bitcoin Consensus Red Herring | Conformal Systems, LLC. ... ( http://bit.ly/1J6yNkL )
985638;1421821556;mircea_popescu;guy actually has a point.
985639;1421821561;mircea_popescu;"There is currently no way to guarantee that any two versions of Bitcoin software, whether they are two different versions of Bitcoin Core, two different versions of alternative implementations, a version of Bitcoin Core versus a version of an alternative implementation, or even two copies of the same version of Bitcoin Core built with different compiler versions are in exact consensus agreement. Doing so is incredibly
985640;1421821561;mircea_popescu; difficult and borders on impossible. The issue is implementation independent."
985641;1421821593;mircea_popescu;"The current solution as proposed by Bitcoin Core is, when you get right down to it, �let�s just be really careful with code changes and hope for the best�.  There is no real disaster recovery or prevention plan. Yes, there is ongoing work to split the consensus critical bits out into a library and I think this is a good idea and am glad to see it happening.  However, it still does nothing to address the real fun
985642;1421821593;mircea_popescu;damental issue stated above nor does it provide disaster recovery or prevention."
985643;1421821600;mircea_popescu;meanwhile, gavin's top priority is... you've guessed it.
985644;1421821615;mircea_popescu;every single version to date broke something.
985645;1421821644;mircea_popescu;usually not that big. sometimes fucking ridiculous (like the one time when they changed versioning)
985646;1421821689;mircea_popescu;and yet the "uncertaininty" is generated by imaginary problems. not by this.
985647;1421821741;mircea_popescu;sort-of like the man who gets drenched in volcanic eruptions every single week, worrying about meteors falling.
985648;1421821762;ben_vulpes;changed versioning?
985649;1421821821;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes recall when blocks went from v1 to v2 ?
985650;1421821837;ben_vulpes;i don't know if i was around at that point.
985651;1421821855;ben_vulpes;wasn't even keeping logs at that point
985652;1421821864;mircea_popescu;sometime in 2012 an uncontroversial fork was put in, so that sometime in 2013 blocks are mined with version 2 instead of version 1.
985653;1421821896;ben_vulpes;lol so then fork?
985654;1421821897;mircea_popescu;except for no particular reason the check was against a signed value (the very careful part), which inadvertently reduced a scarce resource
985655;1421821904;mircea_popescu;no, just narrower header.
985656;1421821941;ben_vulpes;huh
985657;1421821957;ben_vulpes;got a writeup somewhere? i don't understand the implications straight off.
985658;1421822291;mircea_popescu;https://blog.conformal.com/the-bitcoin-consensus-red-herring/#comment-689
985659;1421822292;assbot;The Bitcoin Consensus Red Herring | Conformal Systems, LLC. ... ( http://bit.ly/1J6Az5x )
985660;1421822297;mircea_popescu;pity conformal isn't better known.
985661;1421822366;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes good start : http://bitcoinstats.com/irc/bitcoin-dev/logs/2015/01/20#l1421788665
985662;1421822367;assbot;BitcoinStats ... ( http://bit.ly/1J6ALlh )
985663;1421822827;ben_vulpes;:(
985664;1421822829;ben_vulpes;that is a lot of log
985665;1421822833;ben_vulpes;and i want to nap
985666;1421822933;mircea_popescu;https://twitter.com/adam3us << guy that thinks he invented bitcoin
985667;1421822935;assbot;Adam Back (@adam3us) | Twitter ... ( http://bit.ly/1J6C5V6 )
985668;1421822942;mircea_popescu;wholla lotta dumb in his funny looking head otherwise.
985669;1421824369;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 50000 @ 0.00048078 = 24.039 BTC [+]
985670;1421826199;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19800 @ 0.00048078 = 9.5194 BTC [+]
985671;1421826260;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 46850 @ 0.000465 = 21.7853 BTC [-]
985672;1421826626;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 22 @ 0.11000003 = 2.42 BTC [-] {4} 
985673;1421829352;mats;https://jimshaver.net/2015/01/21/the-100-chain-certificate-experiment/
985674;1421829353;assbot;The 100 Chain Certificate Experiment | Jim Shaver ... ( http://bit.ly/1ypN20u )
985675;1421829398;mats;dos via cert chain replacement
985676;1421830004;mats;http://www.computerworld.com/article/2872694/oracle-to-fix-167-vulnerabilities-including-a-backdoor-like-flaw-in-its-e-business-suite.html
985677;1421830005;assbot;Oracle to fix 167 vulnerabilities, including a backdoor-like flaw in its E-Business Suite | Computerworld ... ( http://bit.ly/1ypOQXq )
985678;1421830467;BingoBoingo;;;later tell mike_c published
985679;1421830468;gribble;The operation succeeded.
985680;1421831615;BingoBoingo;O.o a suprising voice objects to 20MB trending towards infinity http://bitcoinstats.com/irc/bitcoin-dev/logs/2015/01/20#l1421788455
985681;1421831616;assbot;BitcoinStats ... ( http://bit.ly/1ypTJQd )
985682;1421831683;BingoBoingo;Stronger objection http://bitcoinstats.com/irc/bitcoin-dev/logs/2015/01/20#l1421788665
985683;1421831684;assbot;BitcoinStats ... ( http://bit.ly/1ypTXaa )
985684;1421832055;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 62800 @ 0.00045832 = 28.7825 BTC [-] {2} 
985685;1421832826;punkman;"For one thing, doctors were upset because Semmelweis' hypothesis made it look like they were the ones giving childbed fever to the women. And Semmelweis was not very tactful. He publicly berated people who disagreed with him and made some influential enemies. Eventually the doctors gave up the chlorine hand-washing, and Semmelweis — he lost his job. Semmelweis kept trying to convince doctors in other parts of Europe to wash with chlorine,
985686;1421832932;BingoBoingo;!b 1
985687;1421832933;assbot;Last 1 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/3W067P8.txt )
985688;1421833153;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23550 @ 0.00048537 = 11.4305 BTC [+]
985689;1421833153;punkman;(more here http://www.npr.org/blogs/health/2015/01/12/375663920/the-doctor-who-championed-hand-washing-and-saved-women-s-lives )
985690;1421833154;assbot;The Doctor Who Championed Hand-Washing And Briefly Saved Lives  : Shots - Health News : NPR ... ( http://bit.ly/1ypYjOD )
985691;1421833248;punkman;"1700 private jets expected to Davos in Switzerland to discuss climate change at World Economic Forum"
985692;1421833533;BingoBoingo;!up Vexual
985693;1421833552;Vexual;1700 private jets, fucking hell, the hipocracy
985694;1421833601;Vexual;id fly em all economy to somewhere and put em on a dying freighter
985695;1421833617;Vexual;way cheaper
985696;1421833676;Vexual;wait, autopilot to switzerland?
985697;1421833722;punkman;irc would've been cheaper for sure
985698;1421833747;Vexual;hell yeah
985699;1421833855;punkman;although good opportunity to pull the 500eur stacks out of the swiss deposit box
985700;1421833984;Vexual;hey, you can spend a bin laden on the train
985701;1421834196;punkman;http://www.wired.com/2015/01/magic-leaps-vision-for-virtual-reality/
985702;1421834197;assbot;Revealed at Last: Magic Leap's Vision for Augmented Reality, in 32 Patent Illustrations | WIRED ... ( http://bit.ly/1yq1jun )
985703;1421834408;punkman;https://www.spaceglasses.com/
985704;1421834409;assbot;Home: Meta Augmented Reality ... ( http://bit.ly/1yq1WE8 )
985705;1421834443;punkman;can these people think of a single non-retarded use case?
985706;1421834464;punkman;"Meta makes you a real-life Tony Stark." - CNN
985707;1421834469;Vexual;wtf is a totem?
985708;1421834534;Vexual;sounds racist
985709;1421834580;Vexual;;;google magic leap totem racist
985710;1421834581;gribble;Review: Wonderfalls: “Totem Mole” · TV Club · The A.V. Club: <http://www.avclub.com/tvclub/wonderfalls-totem-mole-101590>; Lovecraft Apologists and the World Fantasy Award - Jim C. Hines: <http://www.jimchines.com/2014/10/lovecraft-apologists-and-the-world-fantasy-award/>; Stuff Black People Don't Like - SBPDL: White Men Can Run: (1 more message)
985711;1421834739;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 68125 @ 0.00049059 = 33.4214 BTC [+] {4} 
985712;1421834942;Vexual;meanwhile google is full aware the patent selss to city planners until its nearly up, then it goes into happy meals
985713;1421835127;Vexual;but as non retarded uses go, playing ar doom in the office sounds pretty good
985714;1421835297;punkman;they are already working on teh ads http://www.armarketing.org/armarketing-conference/
985715;1421835299;assbot;AR Marketing Conference 2015 | AR Marketing ... ( http://bit.ly/1xVRWh5 )
985716;1421835355;punkman;!up Vexual
985717;1421835494;punkman;I wouldn't mind more AR/history/exhibition things like http://www.spiegel.de/international/spiegel/when-science-fiction-becomes-reality-rebuilding-the-berlin-wall-with-augmented-reality-a-704970.html
985718;1421835495;assbot;When Science Fiction Becomes Reality: Rebuilding the Berlin Wall with Augmented Reality - SPIEGEL ONLINE ... ( http://bit.ly/1xVSLpU )
985719;1421835630;Vexual;is this why glass gied? noones got a set, so noone makes anthing?
985720;1421835655;Vexual;berlin things pretty neato
985721;1421835671;punkman;the glass tech wasn't that good imo
985722;1421835680;Vexual;did you try it?
985723;1421835693;punkman;no
985724;1421835838;Vexual;was the guts in the glasses?
985725;1421835874;punkman;yeah but you needed an android to go with it
985726;1421835880;Vexual;fucked optics and 10 people had one
985727;1421835915;punkman;I wanna try the spaceglasses though
985728;1421835926;Vexual;how does it work?
985729;1421835958;punkman;they have Steve Mann on the team, if anyone knows how these things can work, it's him
985730;1421835959;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 18 @ 0.11000002 = 1.98 BTC [-] {2} 
985731;1421836050;punkman;girl tried some Oculus devkit, said it was pretty fun
985732;1421836106;Vexual;space glasses is a transparent lcd?
985733;1421836164;punkman;yeah so you can overlay stuff
985734;1421836195;Vexual;does it play office doom?
985735;1421836209;punkman;mebbe
985736;1421836212;Vexual;ok take my money
985737;1421836218;punkman;their demos are stupid though
985738;1421836223;punkman;chess, pff
985739;1421836265;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 49 @ 0.10427005 = 5.1092 BTC [-] {13} 
985740;1421836307;Vexual;i dont chess
985741;1421836325;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 61 @ 0.10097768 = 6.1596 BTC [-] {5} 
985742;1421836376;Vexual;http://www.techradar.com/us/news/car-tech/new-billboard-transforms-for-porsche-drivers-1279962
985743;1421836793;Vexual;i fthey start doing pixies in trees silk road 17 will be out of business
985744;1421837462;BingoBoingo;!up Vexual
985745;1421838216;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14100 @ 0.00047541 = 6.7033 BTC [-]
985746;1421839045;BingoBoingo;felipelalli: fixed
985747;1421839164;felipelalli;BingoBoingo: thank you!
985748;1421839226;Vexual;felipelalli> where are you from?
985749;1421839327;BingoBoingo;!up Vexual
985750;1421839327;felipelalli;Vexual: Brazil.
985751;1421839346;Vexual;any comments on this shit in ba? argentina is not far away
985752;1421839368;felipelalli;Vexual: are you from ARG? What "shit"?
985753;1421839384;Vexual;nisman, im from australia
985754;1421839506;felipelalli;Vexual: 80% don't know what bitcoin is and 90% of the remaining 20% think it is a scam. Is that your question?
985755;1421839615;Vexual;not really, but good answer
985756;1421839897;Vexual;rio then?
985757;1421840068;Vexual;surely not san paulo
985758;1421840228;punkman;http://dea-special-agent.blogspot.co.uk/
985759;1421840229;assbot;My life as a DEA Special Agent and a born-again Christian ... ( http://bit.ly/1JdoKIK )
985760;1421840623;Vexual;Degenerian
985761;1421840735;Vexual;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cnwiaErSuKc
985762;1421840778;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6550 @ 0.00046748 = 3.062 BTC [-]
985763;1421841492;nubbins`;lel
985764;1421841510;nubbins`;so the wood guy is found to have been using stolen artwork for his engravings
985765;1421841523;nubbins`;lifted from deviant art and shutterstock
985766;1421841524;nubbins`;my sides
985767;1421841560;nubbins`;!up Vexual
985768;1421841637;Vexual;i can't even
985769;1421841660;Vexual;whats the wood guy?
985770;1421841707;Vexual;does he carve a potato print in a slab of cedar?
985771;1421841876;BingoBoingo;Basically
985772;1421841937;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14600 @ 0.00046642 = 6.8097 BTC [-]
985773;1421842082;Vexual;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kLSpUlPBKic
985774;1421842138;BingoBoingo;mega lol https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/2t5sk0/under_mark_karpeles_bitcoin_did_3000000_under_vc/
985775;1421842140;assbot;Under Mark Karpeles bitcoin did 3,000,000%. Under VC capital, merchant adoption, bitcoin bowl it did -80%. : Bitcoin ... ( http://bit.ly/15trtRm )
985776;1421842368;BingoBoingo;nubbins`: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=931472.msg10224611#msg10224611 << lel
985777;1421842369;assbot;Scam Warning - Paul Revere ... ( http://bit.ly/1sY030I )
985778;1421842467;Vexual;is that supposed to ba  a table leg? wehre sthe table?
985779;1421842474;BingoBoingo;Dunno
985780;1421842516;Vexual;lathe fail
985781;1421842567;Vexual;laquer is sus
985782;1421842596;davout;that reddit stuff is pretty funny
985783;1421842730;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30867 @ 0.00047572 = 14.684 BTC [+] {2} 
985784;1421842855;jurov;https://github.com/The-Feminist-Software-Foundation/ToleranUX
985785;1421842857;assbot;The-Feminist-Software-Foundation/ToleranUX · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/15ts5qa )
985786;1421842877;Vexual;mmm pussyware
985787;1421842906;jurov;https://github.com/The-Feminist-Software-Foundation/ToleranUX/commit/743e3c00b26a3d6f30752a8dfb03a68fdf298699
985788;1421842907;assbot;Re-instated a feminist .gitignore ·  743e3c0 · The-Feminist-Software-Foundation/ToleranUX · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/15ts4Tb )
985789;1421842917;Vexual;fuck im not reading all that
985790;1421842970;jurov;butbut.. you must be aware by all means that '"Logic" is years and years of Patriarchal justification — pure toxicity'
985791;1421842979;Vexual;looks like bullshit anyway
985792;1421843044;punkman;" if a single ls doesn't use up at least 50% of installed RAM then it is condoning the toxic culture of fat shaming."
985793;1421843162;jurov;Only womyn should be allowed to `look`. [Cishet male](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cisgender) nerds should not be allowed to use their oppressive gaze upon the beautiful visages of strong and independent womyn. 1 in 4 women are [psychologically raped by visual contact](http://www.umich.edu/~mrev/issues/Vol_10_No_6.pdf) in their lifetime when walking down the street.
985794;1421843269;jurov;ha. only trannies shall cast a look upon the beautiful visages of strong and independent womyn!!!1
985795;1421843401;punkman;https://camo.githubusercontent.com/8f39584b4f64a092da546e441fe31e67c5fe6d68/687474703a2f2f692e696d6775722e636f6d2f3857634537426c2e6a7067
985796;1421843403;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1sY2cJS )
985797;1421843403;jurov;um, from that follows womyn should always wear niqab in cisgendered society, no?
985798;1421843410;jurov;!up Vexual
985799;1421843435;Vexual;ty  sir
985800;1421843549;BingoBoingo;jurov: Logically, but they's prefer just gouging eyes to prevent looking
985801;1421843592;jurov;that isn't eye rape, too?
985802;1421843632;Vexual;depends how deep
985803;1421843664;BingoBoingo;Or just do like the Vonnegut handicaps story
985804;1421843842;Vexual;do tell
985805;1421843889;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 87200 @ 0.00046254 = 40.3335 BTC [-] {2} 
985806;1421843986;Vexual;banksa has little claim to the azalea, iggy, is part aboriginal
985807;1421844005;Vexual;now thats a story
985808;1421844025;BingoBoingo;Vexual: asciilifeform linked it a while back. basically able people must wear handicaps to make everyone equal.
985809;1421844035;BingoBoingo;Stuff happens
985810;1421844046;Vexual;that sounds splendid
985811;1421844056;Vexual;ill read it
985812;1421844198;chetty;<BingoBoingo> Vexual: asciilifeform linked it a while back. basically able people must wear handicaps to make everyone equal.//only other solution is just kill all the handicaps
985813;1421844229;Vexual;were talking literal retards?
985814;1421844252;BingoBoingo;chetty: Or... embrace inequality...
985815;1421844265;Vexual;lol
985816;1421844274;Vexual;well said
985817;1421844331;Naphex;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AARbneprV8Y a new generation ready for realitytv
985818;1421844333;assbot;MasterChef Junior Season 3 Episode 1 - The Class of 2015 - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/15ttqNM )
985819;1421844334;Naphex;:o
985820;1421844335;Naphex;omg..
985821;1421844373;chetty;<<< reading various stuffs here on the great blockchain 'fix', I wonder whatever happened to "If it ain't broke, don't fix it!"
985822;1421844401;Vexual;they got the same guy from ironchef, with a labotomy
985823;1421844404;nubbins`;psychologically raped by visual contact?
985824;1421844413;*;nubbins` raises an eyebrow
985825;1421844431;nubbins`;BingoBoingo did you see the part where people found all the sources for his stolen clipart? :D
985826;1421844436;Vexual;you havent seen my art yet
985827;1421844438;nubbins`;i lel'd
985828;1421844438;BingoBoingo;chetty: But that goes against killing it by "fixing it" you know... in the way you kill a chanpion dog's breeding value bu fixing it
985829;1421844446;BingoBoingo;nubbins`: Deviantart?
985830;1421844449;nubbins`;Vexual i know, send me some
985831;1421844454;nubbins`;BingoBoingo deviantart and shutterstock (!)
985832;1421844463;BingoBoingo;Naphex: Yeah, now they hook em early
985833;1421844516;Vexual;nubs now yove comissioned it, ill do something good
985834;1421844588;nubbins`;sweet. if it's rad, let's work out a trade
985835;1421844589;chetty;BingoBoingo, oh yeah maybe Gavin does need some fixin
985836;1421844590;Naphex;i'm just watching if the lil ones loose a finger :D
985837;1421844592;nubbins`;art for books
985838;1421844603;Naphex;those chef knives be cutting deep into 6y/o'ds lol
985839;1421844763;BingoBoingo;Naphex: I remember reading about one doing just that last season
985840;1421844923;Naphex;BingoBoingo: one thing i'd agree, its better with kids then with idiots lol
985841;1421844932;Naphex;maybe that the next thing
985842;1421845048;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 62300 @ 0.00045478 = 28.3328 BTC [-] {5} 
985843;1421845062;BingoBoingo;I dunno. I think there's some value in seeing how the adults "good enough to make the show" end up failing because of Dunning Krueger.
985844;1421845373;BingoBoingo;!up Vexual
985845;1421845390;Vexual;aim for the nuts
985846;1421845471;Vexual;thats how you fake pussyware
985847;1421845576;Vexual;short and sweet
985848;1421845749;danielpbarron;i honestly can't tell if that feminist OS is meant to be serious or satire
985849;1421845766;Vexual;im pretty sure its satire
985850;1421845847;Vexual;!s earache my eye
985851;1421845848;assbot;0 results for 'earache my eye' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=earache+my+eye
985852;1421845863;Vexual;;;google earache my eye
985853;1421845864;gribble;Cheech & Chong - Earache My Eye - YouTube: <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VJW67QN24SA>; Cheech & Chong - Earache My Eye {full version-1974} - YouTube: <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z3bN-pI5oMg>; Earache My Eye - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Earache_My_Eye>
985854;1421846115;felipelalli;What do you guys think about this proposal of Theymos? http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/2t2xrh/gavin_twenty_megabytes_testing_results/cnvew17
985855;1421846117;assbot;theymos comments on Gavin: Twenty Megabytes testing results ... ( http://bit.ly/15tv9Td )
985856;1421846391;BingoBoingo;Theymos doesn't get to have much of an opinion, but at least he isn't gavin.
985857;1421846405;Vexual;its up to the miners, most do small blocks, so i dont see it happening soon
985858;1421846455;felipelalli;I found a good idea make something implemented just to "wake up" after 2 years.
985859;1421846480;felipelalli;but I also found too aggressive the numbers of Gavin. And why do you guys hate Gavin?
985860;1421846595;felipelalli;Here in Brazil we still suffer with 1~5MB/s connection, depending on how the blocks increase many Brazilians and many ppl of other poor countries will be out soon.
985861;1421846691;BingoBoingo;Well, Gavin seems to want to actually kill Bitcoin with his ridiculous exponential growth stuff.
985862;1421846762;felipelalli;I guess isn't his intention, but good intention hell is paved.
985863;1421846806;BingoBoingo;There's already "startups" foaming at the mouth to use the block chain as file storage.
985864;1421846889;felipelalli;One thing I have not studied deeply, but why every node need to have all the data? Okay there enough overlap, but really all data?
985865;1421846916;jurov;felipelalli: how else you'll verify transactions?
985866;1421846990;felipelalli;https://bitcoin.org/bitcoin.pdf chapter 7, isn't that proposal possible?
985867;1421846992;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/15tw4mG )
985868;1421847038;jurov;felipelalli: one, that would prevent bootstrapping from genesis block
985869;1421847067;jurov;two, under gavins proposal, the pruned db, would grow boundlessly too
985870;1421847124;jurov;and it makes no difference with network usage. even in "rich" countries with gigabit connections, uplink is usually much slower
985871;1421847158;jurov;now i have 40/40 , but back when i had 10mbit uplink, bitcoind sometimes saturated it
985872;1421847172;jurov;when someone decided to pull blockchain from me
985873;1421847185;punkman;10mbit up? I wish
985874;1421847196;felipelalli;I have less than 1mbit up
985875;1421847458;felipelalli;with Gavin proposal, bitcoin core should be very simplified (like an "amateur" version) connected to trusted (few?) full nodes. It can work but it affects the decentralization, is that right?
985876;1421847520;jurov;yes it's likely to end up so
985877;1421847587;nubbins`;i only have crappy 30mbit up
985878;1421847671;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 55800 @ 0.00047573 = 26.5457 BTC [+] {3} 
985879;1421847701;nubbins`;75 down ;/
985880;1421847740;felipelalli;only the very wealthy have this internet here in BR HUE.
985881;1421847823;nubbins`;it's about $100/mo here
985882;1421847845;nubbins`;which i think is a bit on the expensive side
985883;1421847885;nubbins`;!up Vexual
985884;1421847891;nubbins`;get a pgp key already
985885;1421847901;felipelalli;lel it is porn to pay it for Internet
985886;1421847906;Vexual;and a 5 dollar paypay?
985887;1421847963;jurov;vex has pgp key, just got downrated :)
985888;1421847981;Vexual;ive got a bitcoin key
985889;1421848002;Vexual;kako got fucked off with the niki minaj
985890;1421848059;Vexual;and his rating hold weight
985891;1421848076;Vexual;also im still learning
985892;1421848122;punkman;tails got that gpg built-in
985893;1421848158;punkman;and assbot doesn't do bitcoin keys anyway
985894;1421848159;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23600 @ 0.00047011 = 11.0946 BTC [-] {2} 
985895;1421848172;Vexual;are you suggesting that if i have a pgp key n wot kako will like my occasional music?
985896;1421848200;Vexual;i dun see it
985897;1421848256;jurov;maybe if you implement ratelimiter
985898;1421848274;Vexual;shit ive been ratelimiting for 6 months
985899;1421848279;jurov;or rather evolve one lol
985900;1421848292;nubbins`;what?
985901;1421848292;Vexual;but the sydtem works, its good
985902;1421848299;nubbins`;;;gettrust assbot vexual
985903;1421848300;gribble;WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user assbot to user vexual: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=assbot&dest=vexual | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=vexual | Rated since: never
985904;1421848318;jurov;he's regged under some other nick
985905;1421848320;Vexual;im not authed
985906;1421848325;Vexual;muxne
985907;1421848325;jurov;;;ident Vexual
985908;1421848325;gribble;Nick 'Vexual', with hostmask 'Vexual!~amnesia@gateway/tor-sasl/vexual', is not identified.
985909;1421848340;nubbins`;;;ident muxne
985910;1421848340;gribble;Error: I am not seeing this user on IRC. If you want information about a registered gpg user, try the 'gpg info' command instead.
985911;1421848345;nubbins`;er.
985912;1421848351;nubbins`;;;gettrust muxne
985913;1421848351;gribble;WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user nubbins` to user muxne: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=nubbins%60&dest=muxne | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=muxne | Rated since: Sun Jun 22 00:11:14 2014
985914;1421848352;jurov;you see, he's got it covered :)
985915;1421848359;Vexual;assbot is everywhere
985916;1421848364;nubbins`;lel
985917;1421848375;nubbins`;;;rate vexual 1 not of this place
985918;1421848375;gribble;Error: For identification purposes, you must be authenticated to use the rating system.
985919;1421848379;nubbins`;...
985920;1421848388;Vexual;muxne
985921;1421848396;Vexual;good luck
985922;1421848436;nubbins`;;;gettrust assbot muxne
985923;1421848436;gribble;WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user assbot to user muxne: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 1 via 3 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=assbot&dest=muxne | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=muxne | Rated since: Sun Jun 22 00:11:14 2014
985924;1421848437;punkman;you'll need !rate
985925;1421848446;nubbins`;now there's a !rate?!
985926;1421848483;nubbins`;mi mente ;(
985927;1421848489;punkman;!gettrust assbot muxne
985928;1421848489;assbot;muxne is not registered in WoT.
985929;1421848579;nubbins`;too many wots
985930;1421848583;Vexual;;;gettrust muXne
985931;1421848584;gribble;WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user Vexual to user muXne: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=Vexual&dest=muXne | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=muXne | Rated since: Sun Jun 22 00:11:14 2014
985932;1421848585;nubbins`;not enough keys
985933;1421848610;Vexual;gribble went perl
985934;1421848876;nubbins`;kakobrekla why the hate ;/
985935;1421848902;Vexual;i spammed his chan
985936;1421848916;Vexual;is fair
985937;1421848917;*;nubbins` wanders over to kako's console and types /ignore <random nick>
985938;1421848934;Vexual;fucks the logs like ruin tho
985939;1421848952;nubbins`;what next, you gonna disable right-click on the log?
985940;1421848978;Vexual;nah imma draw a dino
985941;1421848983;nubbins`;make it so my back button doesn't work? 8)
985942;1421849014;Vexual;he asked me nicely first, i must admit
985943;1421849073;Vexual;and i've been less than repentant
985944;1421849294;Vexual;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T6j4f8cHBIM
985945;1421849520;Vexual;we did decide on a rate
985946;1421849765;BingoBoingo;!up Vexual
985947;1421849905;Vexual;!s 2million
985948;1421849906;assbot;3 results for '2million' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=2million
985949;1421850017;scoopbot;New post on Qntra.net by Bingo Boingo: http://qntra.net/2015/01/another-big-silk-road-2-0-arrest-full-complaint/
985950;1421850112;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6070 @ 0.00048179 = 2.9245 BTC [+]
985951;1421850162;BingoBoingo;O.o A new arrest!
985952;1421850178;BingoBoingo;Two and a half months late!
985953;1421850217;Vexual;thats the theme
985954;1421850704;Vexual;seems hypocritcal with forrest gump leadeing the prosecution
985955;1421850750;fluffypony;http://247cryptonews.com/4-years-in-prison-for-bitinstant-exchanger-who-helped-silk-road/
985956;1421850752;assbot;4 Years in Prison for BitInstant Exchanger Who Helped Silk Road - Crypto News 24/7 – Bitcoin News ... ( http://bit.ly/1um22HG )
985957;1421850782;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 68800 @ 0.00048596 = 33.434 BTC [+]
985958;1421850879;Vexual;ross is prolly guilty of something, but he deserves a free trial
985959;1421850893;Vexual;the hitmet sory is admissable
985960;1421851068;Vexual;all these idiots taking a deal
985961;1421851148;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9424 @ 0.00048596 = 4.5797 BTC [+]
985962;1421851282;Vexual;they get him for malware by using malware, that should be thrown out of court right there
985963;1421851349;Vexual;wtf do i care tho
985964;1421851406;BingoBoingo;Well, what if they come for spider venom next?
985965;1421851547;Vexual;still low fucks https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qv7HwBe28dM
985966;1421851930;punkman;https://gist.github.com/ryancdotorg/18235723e926be0afbdd  http://kukuruku.co/hub/infosec/backdoor-in-a-public-rsa-key
985967;1421851931;assbot;backdoored rsa key generation ... ( http://bit.ly/1CgrAwv )
985968;1421851933;assbot;Backdoor in a Public RSA Key / Information Security / Kukuruku / Technology Hub ... ( http://bit.ly/1CgrzZd )
985969;1421852185;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27600 @ 0.00049642 = 13.7012 BTC [+] {2} 
985970;1421852256;thestringpuller;mircea_popescu: pity conformal isn't better known. << how so? ben_vulpes has referenced them a lot over the past two years. they are making me want to learn Go.
985971;1421852340;BingoBoingo;http://motherboard.vice.com/read/illinois-says-students-have-to-give-up-facebook-passwords-or-face-prosecution
985972;1421852341;assbot;Illinois Says Rule-Breaking Students Must Give Teachers Their Facebook Passwords | Motherboard ... ( http://bit.ly/1Cgsh8X )
985973;1421852424;thestringpuller;^- i wonder if this will hold precedent in making people give up private keys of any kind
985974;1421852684;BingoBoingo;The particular school district mentioned is disturbingly close.
985975;1421852738;BingoBoingo;http://www.range-r.com/FAQ/index.htm
985976;1421852739;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1CgsTLJ )
985977;1421852756;BingoBoingo;^ wall penetrating radar
985978;1421853527;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20048 @ 0.00049009 = 9.8253 BTC [-]
985979;1421854216;mircea_popescu;jesus sifting from all these offline messages left by people who believe enough in the gavincoin to want to buy it for .75 bitcoins each.
985980;1421854233;mircea_popescu;THERE'S EXACTLY ZERO OF THEM
985981;1421854265;mircea_popescu;apparently they'll want to change bitcoin to gavincoin 1:1 later on, but they don't want to change it at a 25% discount today.
985982;1421854267;mircea_popescu;fatlogic.
985983;1421854743;BingoBoingo;Maybe they aren't sure enough yet that there will be a Gavincoin given -dev doesn't seem keen on his stuff.
985984;1421854867;mircea_popescu;so poorly managed, bitcoin core.
985985;1421854875;thestringpuller;lol. i'm the only anarchist in the office.
985986;1421854881;thestringpuller;trying to find another one.
985987;1421854882;mircea_popescu;roughly in the position of a hunting party that's out there building sandcastles and collecting flowers.
985988;1421854920;thestringpuller;too bad conformal is written in Go
985989;1421854922;thestringpuller;(jk)
985990;1421854949;mircea_popescu;nah, writing everything in c++ is dumb.
985991;1421854955;BingoBoingo;Yeah they need to find another sporting venture, because it is perfectly fine to be a fishing party while sitting around drinking beer.
985992;1421854975;mircea_popescu;now that's a point.
985993;1421854983;kakobrekla;1. otc order book is dead, 2. noone is taking offer seriously, 3. everything else is delusion
985994;1421855021;mircea_popescu;kakobrekla yeah, and they all work because 4. none of these derps actually matters in bitcoin.
985995;1421855036;thestringpuller;mircea_popescu: nah, writing everthing in c++ is dumb. << wasn't bitcoin-qt 0.1 in Visual C++? that was even worse
985996;1421855052;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25950 @ 0.00048323 = 12.5398 BTC [-] {2} 
985997;1421855060;mircea_popescu;"oh i have 50 btc in a wallet somewhere, i contributed 5000 lines of code to bitcoin core that will have to be taken out later at considerable expense and i go to all th conferences if some scammer is paying the airfare (coach)"
985998;1421855064;thestringpuller;i remember opening source code back in 2010 on my machine, and seeing everything chmod 777
985999;1421855069;mircea_popescu;this is what is supposed to impress me ?
986000;1421855096;BingoBoingo;I mean I have no problem with killing animals for food, but I prefer fishing to hunting because fishing has better complimentary activities you can multitask with it.
986001;1421855114;mircea_popescu;thestringpuller monolitic c at least had some rationale back in 1980. but c++ is not c, and for that matter the year's not 1980 either
986002;1421855139;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo i don't know any fat hunters. i know precious few slender fishermen.
986003;1421855154;thestringpuller;well anything you do in C++ you can do in C. like that song (anything you can do I can do better)
986004;1421855169;mircea_popescu;this is doubtful, but i'll let asciilifeform argue it.
986005;1421855185;BingoBoingo;Here I tend to see lots of fat hunters.
986006;1421855195;thestringpuller;BingoBoingo: This is also the rationale behind a baseball game on a hot summer day. Grrr...we need to go to one this ear
986007;1421855197;kakobrekla;what a landing page http://shrani.si/f/2M/LH/4MydJP6h/btcjam.png
986008;1421855198;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1xXfFgP )
986009;1421855209;kakobrekla;ultra retarded on at least 2 levels
986010;1421855216;mircea_popescu;jesus.
986011;1421855245;mircea_popescu;yeah, totally need more adoption so the various scammers with bootstrap websites can burn more noobs.
986012;1421855278;thestringpuller;^- this is becoming pervasive in corporate world too
986013;1421855292;*;xanthyos 
986014;1421855299;thestringpuller;marketing design sector was told, "You need to incorporate more photography"
986015;1421855305;thestringpuller;"in the website"
986016;1421855319;kakobrekla;how do they know for sure its gonna go up and how do you save if its gonna go up if you borrow now i dunno is the loan fiat based ?
986017;1421855329;thestringpuller;"Why so we can use more bandwidth?"
986018;1421855356;mircea_popescu;kakobrekla it's btcjam : if you don't simply forget all about your website account, you can always just not pay later on.
986019;1421855367;kakobrekla;aha hehe
986020;1421855384;mircea_popescu;but yeah, pretty epic.
986021;1421855392;mircea_popescu;atually ima do a write-up :D
986022;1421855782;davout;thestringpuller: i thought visual c++ was just an ide
986023;1421855855;mircea_popescu;nah it's a language
986024;1421855962;danielpbarron;mircea_popescu> apparently they'll want to change bitcoin to gavincoin 1:1 later on, but they don't want to change it at a 25% discount today. << should better offer it at 25% over, otherwise they are admitting their coin has the lower value
986025;1421855980;mircea_popescu;danielpbarron that's what im doing.
986026;1421855990;mircea_popescu;pay 750 bitcoin today, receive 1000 gavincoins.
986027;1421856116;danielpbarron;ok so make it, pay 1000 bitcoin today, get 750 gavincoin later; that way theirs is framed as the more valuable one
986028;1421856161;mircea_popescu;o.O
986029;1421856172;mircea_popescu;you do that ? i'm curious to see this one.
986030;1421856202;mats;https://doar-e.github.io/presentations/securityday2015/SecDay-Lille-2015-Axel-0vercl0k-Souchet.html
986031;1421856204;assbot;Security Day 2015 - Lille 1 ... ( http://bit.ly/1xXkHtJ )
986032;1421856216;*;danielpbarron is just being silly
986033;1421856409;thestringpuller;davout: i guess more the windows bindings. Like MFC etc.
986034;1421856425;thestringpuller;davout: i use VC as a catch all like VB
986035;1421856457;davout;ah, so it looks like c++ with a bunch of extra packages
986036;1421856483;thestringpuller;yea. original bitcoin source code has tons of that in it
986037;1421856495;thestringpuller;i think asciilifeform submitted patch to gut all of it out.
986038;1421856517;artifexd;6 days of logs... smh
986039;1421856638;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 53866 @ 0.00049795 = 26.8226 BTC [+] {2} 
986040;1421856639;nubbins`;oh my god, what if that wood collector guy illegally imports wood and Blazedout419 was working undercover with customs?!
986041;1421856703;BingoBoingo;nubbins`: Link?
986042;1421856738;danielpbarron;didn't WC brag about having access to illegal woods?
986043;1421856773;BingoBoingo;davout: Also different standard libraries. Microsoft Visual X language is almost always different from X proper.
986044;1421856963;davout;BingoBoingo: yeah, so a different language for all practical purposes
986045;1421857018;BingoBoingo;davout: Yeah. Even different in the most basic things, fucking iostream.h
986046;1421857187;nubbins`;BingoBoingo j/k
986047;1421857227;nubbins`;i know he's not a shill and he's not a fool, but beyond that... shrug
986048;1421857244;nubbins`;;;rated Blazedout419
986049;1421857245;gribble;You rated user Blazedout419 on Sun Mar  2 12:59:46 2014, with a rating of 2, and supplied these additional notes: trusted trader.
986050;1421857257;BingoBoingo;http://www.reaxxion.com/4437/4chans-moot-now-forcing-mods-to-sign-legal-contract-that-reveals-their-identity
986051;1421857258;assbot;  4Chan’s Moot Now Forcing Mods To Sign Legal Contract That Reveals Their Identity ... ( http://bit.ly/1xXpkUH )
986052;1421857302;BingoBoingo;nubbins`: He's kind of anti-kako. While anything kako calls scam is scam andything Blazedout419 gravitates towards tends to burn him.
986053;1421857330;nubbins`;but kako's so friendly.
986054;1421857334;danielpbarron;he probably wanted to show off having lots of BTC to his forum buddies / that coupled with the "oh you accept bitcoin? let me shower you with undeserved business" mentality
986055;1421857404;BingoBoingo;danielpbarron: that coupled with the "oh you accept bitcoin? let me shower you with undeserved business" mentality << tends to be what burns Blazedout419
986056;1421857486;kakobrekla;maybe he was reading #b-a on how art keeps getting record high prices and battles inflation and though he was getting a piece of hedge
986057;1421857569;thestringpuller;mircea_popescu: regarding paygrade << have you ever seen Inside Man?
986058;1421857574;mircea_popescu;davout i don't like so much about your blog the fact there's no clear mention of the date.
986059;1421857609;davout;mircea_popescu: "Cette entrée a été publiée dans Bitcoin le janvier 21, 2015"
986060;1421857629;mircea_popescu;damn i missed that.
986061;1421857636;mircea_popescu;i dun like so much about my eyes how they miss things :D
986062;1421857653;mircea_popescu;"The fundamental pain point here, is that Gavin insists on everyone being able to get in, instead of allowing a sane transaction fee market to emerge, by letting the blocks actually fill-up."
986063;1421857655;thestringpuller;davout: makes me want to pick up french again.
986064;1421857657;davout;it's true it's not very clear though, being at the bottom
986065;1421857661;thestringpuller;so I can read Snowpiercer in french.
986066;1421857670;mircea_popescu;here's the thing : the vc circus has created an entire culture of these idiots. "grow fast make no money sell out"
986067;1421857679;mircea_popescu;maybe this has merits as a website develoipment paradigm
986068;1421857682;mircea_popescu;dubious.
986069;1421857688;davout;also "le janvier 21, 2015" isn't correct french :/
986070;1421857700;mircea_popescu;it CERTAINLY has no value as a bitcoin development paradigm, because well... BITCOIN IS NOT FOR SALE.
986071;1421857708;davout;thestringpuller: what's snowpiercer?
986072;1421857713;mircea_popescu;not in the sense where some vcs come on later, pat us on the head, give each a car and wipe us out.
986073;1421857717;nubbins`;snowpiercer, lel
986074;1421857725;mircea_popescu;bitcoin is here to make those vcs beggars.
986075;1421857726;nubbins`;THE LAST SURVIVING HUMANS ARE STUCK ON A TRAIN THAT NEVER STOPS
986076;1421857731;nubbins`;SNOWPIERCER
986077;1421857734;nubbins`;WE SWEAR IT MAKES SENSE
986078;1421857739;thestringpuller;its called Le Transperceneige
986079;1421857747;thestringpuller;in franche
986080;1421857752;thestringpuller;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Le_Transperceneige
986081;1421857755;thestringpuller;france***
986082;1421857757;*;chetty repeats self "If it ain't broke, don't fix it!"
986083;1421857764;davout;oic
986084;1421857773;nubbins`;interestingly, they choose to waste their fuel on locomotion rather than as a heat source
986085;1421857787;nubbins`;because if all that's left is a train, you better believe we're gonna make it run!
986086;1421857819;thestringpuller;nubbins`: the train runs on perpetual motion donchakno?
986087;1421857825;nubbins`;o
986088;1421857863;mircea_popescu;"<gavinandresen> Ah� so you�re saying we should decrease the 1MB limit, so there are higher fees and miners make more money?"
986089;1421857867;mircea_popescu;such facetious bs.
986090;1421857891;mircea_popescu;"i want to tear down this wall". "why ?" "it opresses me". "the wall keeps the outside out" "OH SO YOU ARE SAYING WE SHOULD PUSH IT FURTYHER IN ?"
986091;1421857896;mircea_popescu;no you fucking idiot that there's no other.
986092;1421857909;mircea_popescu;you are ill qualified to as much as change a fucking version in the bvlocks, let alone the database.
986093;1421857918;mircea_popescu;stop pretending like you can push walls around and go take your ritalin.
986094;1421857921;mircea_popescu;jesus fuck.
986095;1421857950;mats;http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2916475/Al-Qaeda-YouTube-video-shows-jihadists-using-Snowden-leaks-evade-Western-surveillance.html
986096;1421857953;assbot;Al Qaeda's YouTube guide for jihadists | Daily Mail Online ... ( http://bit.ly/1CgCxhz )
986097;1421857977;mircea_popescu;actually i suppose thois belongs there.
986098;1421858005;mats;an idiot's guide to opsec.
986099;1421858160;mircea_popescu;davout "Votre commentaire est en attente de validation." lmao.
986100;1421858170;mircea_popescu;webfrench is such lulzfrench
986101;1421858188;davout;c'est pourtant du français correct :)
986102;1421858330;davout;this is actually lulzier -> "Fièrement propulsé par WordPress"
986103;1421858369;davout;"Proudly propelled by wordpress"
986104;1421858469;davout;i guess the translator ran it by several actual frenchologists
986105;1421858566;thestringpuller;gotta make sure french language stays pure against all the hoodlums and their slang
986106;1421858576;davout;fuck oui
986107;1421858579;mircea_popescu;propulse lol
986108;1421858583;mircea_popescu;does that stricly mean kinetic ?
986109;1421858603;davout;yes
986110;1421858673;davout;actually the people from Québec might be even more hardcore protectors of french purity than the people from france
986111;1421858702;davout;their accent and some of their expressions are extremely cute tho
986112;1421858709;scoopbot;New post on Trilema by Mircea Popescu: http://trilema.com/2015/btcjam-what-starts-as-a-scam-stays-a-scam/
986113;1421858812;mircea_popescu;http://fr.anco.is/2015/gavineries/ << someone put it up on reddit ? i don't recall if dman was ever there.
986114;1421858813;assbot;Gavineries | fr.anco.is ... ( http://bit.ly/1xXwFmX )
986115;1421858837;thestringpuller;done
986116;1421858855;davout;mircea_popescu: dunno, didn't do it myself, figured it'd be too good for them and get downvoted anyway
986117;1421858863;davout;thestringpuller: ty, let's see how that goes
986118;1421858870;davout;thestringpuller: also link?
986119;1421858873;mircea_popescu;davout yeah but why should you be spared the sort of idiocy living there.
986120;1421858891;mircea_popescu;davout anyway, where was this convo ?
986121;1421858933;mircea_popescu;seems kinda bizarre gavin still pretends like he's had a public discussion about this but so far has not quite got his courage up enough to bring his hairball of non sequiturs, wild jumps and logic holes over here.
986122;1421858939;davout;mircea_popescu: private, he pm'd me on btctalk after seeing me comment on the fork off thread
986123;1421858966;mircea_popescu;well, tell him he has a chance to be heard, and learn exactly why he is wrong and generally grow as a person.
986124;1421858971;thestringpuller;http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/2t6oks/gavineries_irc_discussion_of_the_block_size/
986125;1421859015;thestringpuller;upvote for visibility etc. etc.
986126;1421859040;thestringpuller;interested to see low paygraders try to interpret it
986127;1421859045;thestringpuller;aka redditards
986128;1421859047;mircea_popescu;paygraders eh ?
986129;1421859068;mircea_popescu;there's two kind of idiots in this world : the retrograde, and the paygrade.
986130;1421859097;mircea_popescu;"I�m waiting for somebody to notice us greedy early adopters get a free ride on transaction fees and complain....."
986131;1421859108;mircea_popescu;that's what "free ride" is now. having built value over time is a "free ride"
986132;1421859118;mircea_popescu;how dumb does one get ?
986133;1421859143;mircea_popescu;hey gavin ? YOU ARE GETTING A FREE RIDE. you're pretty much the only one. you're a middling software engineer that is STILL leeching some historical happenstance.,
986134;1421859172;thestringpuller;this is probably why rappers retire after 30
986135;1421859175;mircea_popescu;nothing about your own intellect, experience, competence or otherwise merit justifies me even knowing your fucking name. you're nobody in the plainest sense, i can throw a rock in any town in america and probably hit two of you!
986136;1421859176;thestringpuller;(excluding Jay-Z)
986137;1421859177;mircea_popescu;jesus.
986138;1421859199;davout;"if you want to come in #bitcoin-assets and argue a bit your proposal, a bunch of folks would be interested" <<< let's see how that goes
986139;1421859245;davout;"can’t right now, have a lunch meeting. Happy to another time"
986140;1421859255;mircea_popescu;no it's perfect, i have a lunch meeting too.
986141;1421859263;mircea_popescu;ima be back in ~3 hours.
986142;1421859273;mircea_popescu;would have been a shame to miss all this.
986143;1421859282;davout;3 hour lunch? what are you? french?
986144;1421859298;mircea_popescu;oui!
986145;1421859310;chetty;3 hours is a short quick lunch in Argentina
986146;1421859326;davout;"gonna get me some subway, see you tomorrow"
986147;1421859349;thestringpuller;they have subway in france?
986148;1421859364;davout;the perfect duration for a meal is when the end of the previous one overlaps with the beginning of the next one
986149;1421859365;thestringpuller;i thought the french frowned upon "american" food
986150;1421859375;davout;yeah, we have subway
986151;1421859390;davout;thestringpuller: yes they do, but they love it
986152;1421859424;thestringpuller;!b3
986153;1421859431;thestringpuller;Opps nvm.
986154;1421859777;mike_c;hmm.. "<sipa> justanotheruser: but control of coins != ownership of coins"
986155;1421859843;BingoBoingo;wtf
986156;1421859856;mike_c;bitcoin-dev is confused about some things.
986157;1421859985;mod6;o.O
986158;1421860090;danielpbarron;it was already posted to reddit: http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/2t49um/mustread_transcript_of_blocksize_discussion_with/
986159;1421860091;assbot;Must-read: Transcript of block-size discussion with Gavin : Bitcoin ... ( http://bit.ly/1xXCr8j )
986160;1421860095;mike_c;i suppose his point is along the lines of "mpex controls the coins it is holding, but account holders own them".
986161;1421860144;mike_c;which isn't really true.  and the fact of that will become interesting when mpex takes a side on the hard-fork.
986162;1421860267;undata;mike_c: it's that watered down socialist meaning of "own" where it's abstract, not "this is under my control"
986163;1421860274;undata;"I own this house."
986164;1421860286;undata;no, the bank and state do
986165;1421860761;asciilifeform;!up diametric
986166;1421860860;diametric;yay
986167;1421860873;diametric;trying to figure out why assbot can't find my key on mit.pgp.edu.
986168;1421860911;asciilifeform;kakobrekla ^
986169;1421860933;kakobrekla;does it take like while before it says it cant find it ?
986170;1421860939;kakobrekla;eh
986171;1421860941;kakobrekla;like=while
986172;1421860965;kakobrekla;a while*
986173;1421860966;kakobrekla;lol
986174;1421860982;kakobrekla;like 60 sec, or is it instant
986175;1421861083;diametric;it instantly says it can't find it
986176;1421861154;kakobrekla;try in 30 min will you, and if it doenst work then ill do it manually or smth
986177;1421861169;kakobrekla;i noticed when i was coding that keyservers tend to go down a lot
986178;1421861226;diametric;will do
986179;1421861229;davout;"Gavin's patience. Wow."
986180;1421861235;davout;"that's the main thing i'm constantly impressed by, his demeanor is exactly right for the position he's in. he's a role model to us all, a modern day gandhi so to speak. ;)"
986181;1421861300;BingoBoingo;And like Ghandi he will try to ruin a good thing.
986182;1421861317;BingoBoingo;May Gavin be less successful
986183;1421861325;davout;"You are 100000% correct. It's funny how easy it is to spot a statist who thinks everything should be controlled instead of letting the market do its job."
986184;1421861430;BingoBoingo;lol https://twitter.com/prestonjbyrne/status/557949175435124736
986185;1421861432;assbot;Brilliant post by /trilema. http://t.co/YS6rOgof1I
986186;1421861449;BingoBoingo;loling at the name tweeting trilema
986187;1421862641;asciilifeform;!up diametric
986188;1421862671;diametric;tried doing it myself again, came back saying it can't find my fingerprint.
986189;1421862677;diametric;I'll give it some more time.
986190;1421862768;diametric;nubbins`: I've thoroughly enjoyed the woodcollector posts.
986191;1421862838;nubbins`;tyvm, glad you finally got an account ;D
986192;1421863014;diametric;nubbins`: are you actually going to post a video to prove a point to one of his shills/
986193;1421863040;*;nubbins` shrugs
986194;1421863190;asciilifeform;!up gavinandresen
986195;1421863201;gavinandresen;howdy y'all
986196;1421863254;kakobrekla;hi
986197;1421863288;felipelalli;hi!
986198;1421863331;gavinandresen;I came here so you can tell me how I’m going to ruin bitcoin (again…)
986199;1421863350;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu awake ?
986200;1421863386;davout;gavinandresen: hello
986201;1421863395;kakobrekla;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-01-2015#986141
986202;1421863395;assbot;Logged on 21-01-2015 16:54:23; mircea_popescu: ima be back in ~3 hours.
986203;1421863708;felipelalli;gavinandresen: when was the first time that you have "ruined" bitcoin?
986204;1421863733;gavinandresen;felipelalli: when we did BIP16 to make multisig wallets easy to deploy
986205;1421863789;gavinandresen;… that was a soft fork, not a hard fork, but it still caused people to accuse me of trying to destroy Bitcoin
986206;1421863795;davout;felipelalli: that was a soft fork
986207;1421863820;*;ben_vulpes sniff
986208;1421863820;*;ben_vulpes sniffs
986209;1421863826;ben_vulpes;i smell drama
986210;1421863830;felipelalli;thank you
986211;1421863865;ben_vulpes;is a soft fork not a breaking of bitcoin in some way?
986212;1421863884;gavinandresen;a soft fork means miners must upgrade, or their blocks will be rejected.
986213;1421863893;kakobrekla;ben_vulpes for drama you need GA and MP present at same time.
986214;1421863899;gavinandresen;a hard fork means everybody running a full node must upgrade, or they will be on a different chain
986215;1421863910;davout;ben_vulpes: a soft fork is making the set of valid blocks smaller, a hard fork is the opposite
986216;1421863922;gavinandresen;MP will bring all the drama :-)  I try hard to be drama-free.
986217;1421863924;ben_vulpes;ah, so a breaking of the protocol
986218;1421863948;gavinandresen;ben_vulpes: yes; a soft fork makes the protocol more strict.  You have to hard fork to make it more lenient.
986219;1421863950;felipelalli;davout: nice explanation. It gives a good article in qntra.net
986220;1421863994;ben_vulpes;well i can tell you right now there is zero support around here for changing the protocol in any way.
986221;1421864021;felipelalli;increase the 21M max coins is possible through a hard  fork?
986222;1421864022;gavinandresen;ben_vulpes: really?  Have read https://gist.github.com/sipa/5d12c343746dad376c80 ???
986223;1421864023;assbot;Proposed DERSIG BIP ... ( http://bit.ly/183BYN5 )
986224;1421864042;ben_vulpes;around *here*, gavinandresen.
986225;1421864052;ben_vulpes;not wherever you people get together and wank about "innovation" in the blockchain
986226;1421864089;gavinandresen;okey dokey, then we might not have much to talk about if you want to stick with OpenSSL bugs that were included in the protocol by mistake.
986227;1421864133;ben_vulpes;the topic under discussion is the moronic megablock shit, not signature rules.
986228;1421864154;ben_vulpes;"oh look we're also talking about improving things over there so you may as well roll over on the megablocks issue"
986229;1421864160;ben_vulpes;no. not happening.
986230;1421864160;felipelalli;gavinandresen: theymos said: << (...) Make the change now, but have it take place at a particular date or block number 2 years in the future. Then when the change actually happens, everyone will already be updated because almost no one uses 2-year-old software. Yes, 2 years is a long time, but we'll survive. >> is that possible and why it is a good or bad idea?
986231;1421864204;gavinandresen;felipelalli: that’d be a fine way to roll out the change; I think gmaxwell and sipa prefer that plan.
986232;1421864228;ben_vulpes;!gettrust assbot felipelalli
986233;1421864229;assbot;Trust relationship from user assbot to user felipelalli: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 1 via 1 connections. | http://w.b-a.link/trust/assbot/felipelalli | http://w.b-a.link/user/felipelalli
986234;1421864254;kakobrekla;that like "dont worry we have 2 years to 'fight'" and then "o shit did we miss it?" 2 years later.
986235;1421864261;felipelalli;gavinandresen: do you prefer different? If yes, why?
986236;1421864267;ben_vulpes;!rate felipelalli -1 snr penalty
986237;1421864267;assbot;Request successful, get your OTP: http://w.b-a.link/otp/c71454916252d225
986238;1421864270;asciilifeform;the philosophy of the slow poisoner, vs. a fellow willing to knife in broad daylight
986239;1421864275;davout;gavinandresen: "okey dokey, then we might not have much to talk about if you want to stick with OpenSSL bugs that were included in the protocol by mistake." <<< actually i distinctly remember mike hearn telling me how that particular bug was part of the protocol and how it somehow justified not putting any effort towards actually specifying anything, in a spec, not in code
986240;1421864320;ben_vulpes;!v assbot:ben_vulpes.rate.felipelalli.-1:d220de3c0270b6e3f3f923fa6dbfd6daa164792bb1919eccdca66d6aedf87c4c
986241;1421864320;assbot;Successfully added a rating of -1 for felipelalli with note: snr penalty
986242;1421864321;ben_vulpes;
986243;1421864324;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 64000 @ 0.00047807 = 30.5965 BTC [-] {2} 
986244;1421864326;ben_vulpes;!down felipelalli
986245;1421864391;kakobrekla;well at least down works.
986246;1421864425;davout;that escalated rather quickly
986247;1421864438;ben_vulpes;obvious plant is obvious
986248;1421864449;asciilifeform;!up diametric
986249;1421864484;asciilifeform;gavinandresen: have you met http://thebitcoin.foundation ?
986250;1421864484;assbot;..::[ The Bitcoin Foundation ]::.. ... ( http://bit.ly/183CXwF )
986251;1421864484;ben_vulpes;in any event, gavinandresen, there'll be no more forks from you. you blew it back in the day, and you lost the initiative on this one months ago.
986252;1421864606;Pierre_Rochard;my main disagreement is on the economics side, you say “ Limit the number of transactions that can happen on the Bitcoin blockchain, and instead of paying higher fees people will perform their transactions somewhere else.”
986253;1421864640;ben_vulpes;horseshit.
986254;1421864642;ben_vulpes;there is only bitcoin.
986255;1421864646;Pierre_Rochard;My response to that is two-fold: if maximizing revenue to miners is our goal, then shifting marginal demand to substitutes is fine.
986256;1421864701;ben_vulpes;there is only bitcoin, and if one cannot afford the miners fees for inclusion in a block, one does not need to transfer bitcoins enough.
986257;1421864702;Pierre_Rochard;Second, there is distance between the total transaction costs of Bitcoin vs the substitutes. So there’s inelasticity in demand
986258;1421864803;Pierre_Rochard;So here’s my hypothesis: if we allow the network to hit the block size limit, then we’ll see the transaction fee revenue growth *accelerate*, up until the point that substitution begins happening in earnest, then the fee revenue growth will *decelerate* or stall.
986259;1421864847;ben_vulpes;let's at least hit the steady state behavior before starting to diddle with important economic variables like block size.
986260;1421864862;davout;Pierre_Rochard: shut up and stop making so much sense
986261;1421864863;Pierre_Rochard;that would indicate that demand is inelastic, and it would tell us where the upper bound on bitcoin tx fees roughly is
986262;1421864874;Pierre_Rochard;all else equal
986263;1421864883;ben_vulpes;yeah, and again we're at the "snapshot of a dynamic thing
986264;1421864887;ben_vulpes;" state
986265;1421864950;ben_vulpes;<mircea_popescu> [] nah, writing everything in c++ is dumb. << write it in every language, discover interesting bugs.
986266;1421864962;gavinandresen;Pierre_Rochard: I think you’re confusing the limit miners self-impose with the hard-coded upper limit
986267;1421864968;Pierre_Rochard;Now this part may be controversial for some members of b-a, but it’s at the point where fee revenue growth decelerates that the block size should be increased *marginally*, if the goal is to maximize fee revenue
986268;1421864976;davout;gavinandresen: why would miners impose a self limit?
986269;1421864991;gavinandresen;davout: today, because bigger blocks take a while to propagate.
986270;1421864994;Pierre_Rochard;gavinandresen: I think the limit that miners self-impose would not hold. I think we see that today
986271;1421864997;ben_vulpes;Pierre_Rochard: you assume some kind of "goal", and that there's a "we" with it.
986272;1421865001;asciilifeform;!up gavinandresen
986273;1421865002;Pierre_Rochard;!up gavinandresen
986274;1421865006;davout;isn't there a plan to make block propagation O(1) by using headers-first?
986275;1421865026;asciilifeform;gavinandresen: what effect do you suppose your enlarged blocks would have on the number of operating full nodes ?
986276;1421865030;gavinandresen;davout: when that is fixed by protocol changes, they will have some minimum costs to processing transations plus a little profit
986277;1421865057;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 62448 @ 0.00048429 = 30.2429 BTC [+] {2} 
986278;1421865060;gavinandresen;asciilifeform: see my technical roadmap post for what needs to be done to increase number of full nodes
986279;1421865070;davout;gavinandresen: you're not really answering the question regarding headers-first
986280;1421865078;gavinandresen;asciilifeform: if there are no network protocol changes, then we’re in trouble, because number of full nodes may continue to decline
986281;1421865081;asciilifeform;gavinandresen: do you intend to donate hard disks to everyone running a full node ?
986282;1421865094;gavinandresen;davout: sorry, missed, the question, real-world distraction…
986283;1421865100;asciilifeform;gavinandresen: or how otherwise compensate for a 20-fold growth in storage requirement
986284;1421865132;gavinandresen;davout: oh, the IBLT stuff? yes, that’d make propagation O(1), and that’s what I mean when I say “when that is fixed by protocol changes"
986285;1421865166;gavinandresen;asciilifeform: storage is not the bottleneck/cost, bandwidth is.
986286;1421865199;gavinandresen;asciilifeform: again, go read the technical road map post, section on pruning the chain
986287;1421865213;asciilifeform;gavinandresen: i have read it.
986288;1421865221;asciilifeform;gavinandresen: and disagree with the entire concept of 'pruning'
986289;1421865231;gavinandresen;asciilifeform: okey dokey.
986290;1421865301;gavinandresen;Pierre_Rochard: if Satoshi hadn’t slapped on a 1MB blocksize limit, would you be lobbying for a hardfork now to impose one?
986291;1421865310;gavinandresen;… execuse me, soft fork....
986292;1421865315;Pierre_Rochard;gavinandresen: yes, I would
986293;1421865325;artifexd;!s rsa backdoor
986294;1421865327;assbot;5 results for 'rsa backdoor' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=rsa+backdoor
986295;1421865337;gavinandresen;Pierre_Rochard: ok, exactly what would you propose?
986296;1421865359;asciilifeform;artifexd: the linked article was a very basic example of 'kleptography' (see our old thread)
986297;1421865384;asciilifeform;artifexd: there are considerably subtler ways to diddle rsa key generation.
986298;1421865395;ben_vulpes;this is a distraction and poor logic.
986299;1421865398;ben_vulpes;there is a 1mb limit.
986300;1421865402;ben_vulpes;we are not considering counterfactuals.
986301;1421865402;artifexd;Yeah. I found the article through my own education. I wanted to see if it had already been discussed in here.
986302;1421865416;Pierre_Rochard;gavinandresen: that we don’t increase the limit until we see what happens to total fee revenue growth after a few months of full blocks
986303;1421865466;gavinandresen;Pierre_Rochard: I think we’re there:  http://hashingit.com/analysis/39-the-myth-of-the-megabyte-bitcoin-block
986304;1421865467;assbot;The Myth Of The Megabyte Bitcoin Block ... ( http://bit.ly/1xz3jws )
986305;1421865518;gavinandresen;Pierre_Rochard: the 0.10 release’s wallet code includes floating fees, so over the next couple months we should get a much better idea of what is happening fee-wise.
986306;1421865525;Pierre_Rochard;then let’s stay there for six months to collect the data
986307;1421865528;Pierre_Rochard;^ great
986308;1421865555;ben_vulpes;gavinandresen: the notion that the wallet code should be responsible for setting fees is utter braindamage.
986309;1421865556;gavinandresen;Pierre_Rochard: what information will we get that will influence how large to make blocks?
986310;1421865563;ben_vulpes;in fact the entire wallet model is completely broken.
986311;1421865611;ben_vulpes;the moronic quest to make the thing occupy as little space on disk as possible precluded you people from selecting a queryable db
986312;1421865614;gavinandresen;Pierre_Rochard: … I misstated:  that will influence the maximum possible block size....
986313;1421865620;ben_vulpes;and so, you had to track "relevant transactions" in the wallet.
986314;1421865651;gavinandresen;ben_vulpes: “patches welcome”  Alex Morcos has a patch pending with better fee estimation code.
986315;1421865651;ben_vulpes;then you got hosed with the whole "change address" debacle.
986316;1421865651;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: they go from little space, to infinite space, as circumstances dictate
986317;1421865676;Pierre_Rochard;gavinandresen: fee revenue growth, if it accelerates then demand for btc transactions is relatively inelastic, the point at which it declerates indicates where substitution starts happening. If it’s right away, then you’re right on the economics. If its after a period of faster growth, then we can see what bitcoin transaction fee the market will bear before switching to substitutes
986318;1421865683;ben_vulpes;gavinandresen: i'm pointing out that the only acceptable patch for wallets is total removal.
986319;1421865721;ben_vulpes;and our stake in the ground (0.5.3) is our indictment of everything that your people have done for the past umpteen months.
986320;1421865731;ben_vulpes;it's unnecessary and i reject it.
986321;1421865752;asciilifeform;gavinandresen: we have here an entire project dedicated to undoing everything you and your associates have ever done to bitcoin.
986322;1421865776;gavinandresen;Pierre_Rochard: but why would we want to hit the “then substitutes start happening” when we’re in Bitcoin’s infancy?
986323;1421865789;ben_vulpes;gavinandresen: and we have the guns, coin and code on our side.
986324;1421865796;gavinandresen;Pierre_Rochard: Seems to me it is better to do everything we can to encourage widespread adoption right now.
986325;1421865797;ben_vulpes;that is to say, "god".
986326;1421865799;asciilifeform;what, precisely, are these 'substitutes' ?
986327;1421865804;asciilifeform;i'd much like to know
986328;1421865811;asciilifeform;cowrie shells? reichsmarks? u.s. dollars ?
986329;1421865812;Pierre_Rochard;gavinandresen: because the substitution would just be happening at the margin
986330;1421865814;asciilifeform;or scamchains
986331;1421865828;ben_vulpes;gavinandresen: adoption is for the masses. i don't give a single fuck about the masses. bitcoin is not for them now, nor will it ever be.
986332;1421865860;asciilifeform;('schelling point' dictates that there can be precisely one blockchain.)
986333;1421865862;gavinandresen;Pierre_Rochard: But we’d get probably at least six months, maybe a year or two of substitution because it takes time to roll out a hard forking change
986334;1421865873;asciilifeform;again, substitution with what ?
986335;1421865880;Pierre_Rochard;gavinandresen: I think Bitcoin’s overall value proposition is so overwhelming that what’s hampering Bitcoin adoption is not tx fees, it’s just the Lindy effect of it being around long enough
986336;1421865904;ben_vulpes;want to talk about what's hampering adoption?
986337;1421865914;ben_vulpes;stale wallet backups that your asshats are responsible for.
986338;1421865922;ben_vulpes;non deterministic transaction generation.
986339;1421865922;gavinandresen;Pierre_Rochard: okey dokey. What if you’re wrong?
986340;1421865944;ben_vulpes;KV stores for a complex data set.
986341;1421865946;ben_vulpes;the list goes on.
986342;1421865955;ben_vulpes;and you insist on "adding features" instead of fixing your mistakes.
986343;1421865960;gavinandresen;Anybody be offended if I ignore ben_vulpes?  distracting me….
986344;1421865970;ben_vulpes;ha yeah please
986345;1421865979;Pierre_Rochard;gavinandresen: then we see an acceleration of adoption of an altcoin / altcoins in general and react accordingly
986346;1421865987;ben_vulpes;don't address any of the *only valid points* being made here.
986347;1421865988;gavinandresen;Pierre_Rochard: But you just said you want to let fees go up high enough so, at the margin, some people ARE turned away.
986348;1421866008;asciilifeform;gavinandresen: if you only answer one of my question, pray tell, what are the 'substitutes' ?
986349;1421866024;asciilifeform;gavinandresen: where might one find some.
986350;1421866026;Pierre_Rochard;gavinandresen: that’s right, that’s the signal to increase the block size limit
986351;1421866033;gavinandresen;Pierre_Rochard: So, lets say we do see fees rise.  How far do we let them rise?  Who decides?
986352;1421866075;asciilifeform;gavinandresen: i can't afford 'mercedes' so my 'honda' is a fairly good substitute for the machine. but where might one obtain a cheaper, more plentiful ersatz substitute for bitcoin ?
986353;1421866095;ben_vulpes;gavinandresen: you cannot construct this conversation on the foundation of fees. you cannot possibly know how fees will behave in steady state or in perpetually inflating block size state.
986354;1421866114;ben_vulpes;you've lost all support for these large blocks in -dev
986355;1421866117;Pierre_Rochard;gavinandresen: at some point they stop rising because they’re too high for the marginal transactor
986356;1421866118;ben_vulpes;you never had any support in -assets
986357;1421866118;gavinandresen;asciilifeform: substitutes for Bitcoin are altcoins, sidechains, off-chain transactions, credit cards, wire transfers…..
986358;1421866120;ben_vulpes;give. up.
986359;1421866136;asciilifeform;gavinandresen: except that these systems are not substitutes for bitcoin.
986360;1421866142;asciilifeform;gavinandresen: they don't do the same job.
986361;1421866143;Pierre_Rochard;gavinandresen: in theory the miners would decide, in practice the core devs
986362;1421866162;asciilifeform;gavinandresen: none of the items you mentioned is a stable, noninflationary, decentralized store of value.
986363;1421866212;gavinandresen;Pierre_Rochard: unfortunately, the experience for the marginal transactor is terrible: their transactions just never, ever confirm. Their coins get tied up…
986364;1421866239;asciilifeform;turd is not a substitute for sausage, despite the topological similarities.
986365;1421866251;asciilifeform;regardless of any perceived shortage of sausage.
986366;1421866253;gavinandresen;Pierre_Rochard: if wallets could deal with that I’d be more open to running the experiment, although I still think it is a terrible idea to shut out ANY reasonable use cases at this early stage of Bitocn’s life
986367;1421866283;asciilifeform;!up diametric
986368;1421866283;ben_vulpes;gavinandresen: nobody who matters gives a shit about the marginal user.
986369;1421866302;ben_vulpes;and their transactions *don't* get tied up forever.
986370;1421866313;ben_vulpes;eventually they mature and are prioritized.
986371;1421866318;ben_vulpes;this is FUD, plain and simple.
986372;1421866325;ben_vulpes;fucking drop it.
986373;1421866330;gavinandresen;Pierre_Rochard: You started with a premise that I reject, by the way:  I do not believe that a goal should be to maximize miner revenue
986374;1421866354;gavinandresen;Pierre_Rochard: I believe the goal should be to maximize the value of Bitcoin for everybody
986375;1421866354;Pierre_Rochard;gavinandresen: I think that our disagreement on that premise precludes agreeing on anything downstream of that
986376;1421866378;ben_vulpes;<gavinandresen> Pierre_Rochard: I believe the goal should be to maximize the value of Bitcoin for everybody << you're fired.
986377;1421866380;ben_vulpes;again.
986378;1421866381;gavinandresen;Pierre_Rochard: you’re probably right. Are you a miner yourself?
986379;1421866426;kakobrekla;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=11-01-2015#973570
986380;1421866426;assbot;Logged on 11-01-2015 22:33:39; kakobrekla: how do other envision the future when reward goes towards 0. either a btc is worth half a planet or the fees amount per block go up a few orders of magnitude or network is dead
986381;1421866434;kakobrekla;which ?
986382;1421866445;Pierre_Rochard;gavinandresen: I am not. I just see a “too low” long term hash rate as the greatest risk of ruin Bitcoin faces, and it ought to be minimized before all other considerations
986383;1421866602;gavinandresen;Pierre_Rochard: what do you think of my argument that hash rate and fees are apples and oranges?  That people will substitute away from fee-paying transactions to other solutions that use the block chain, which means trying to maximize fees means no guarantee that there will be enough hash rate to secure the chain?
986384;1421866635;asciilifeform;gavinandresen: 'other solutions that use the block chain' ? please elaborate.
986385;1421866647;kakobrekla;>altcoins, sidechains
986386;1421866659;asciilifeform;scamchains.
986387;1421866671;gavinandresen;not altcoins— centralized services like Coinbase.  Or sidechains.
986388;1421866683;asciilifeform;how many need to implode before folks open a game theory textbook and understand that the correct number of blockchains is one ?
986389;1421866703;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2500 @ 0.00049015 = 1.2254 BTC [+]
986390;1421866703;asciilifeform;and what kind of brain damage does it take to see a centralized whatever as any kind of functional substitute for bitcoin ?
986391;1421866709;kakobrekla;coinbase and the like can be *poof* gone in one day
986392;1421866781;kakobrekla;too slow  i am, this cake is hindering me
986393;1421866789;ben_vulpes;!up lobbes
986394;1421866818;lobbes;gavinandresen: Why are you so set on this 'widespread' adoption notion? It is never going to happen
986395;1421866831;ben_vulpes;!up gavinandresen
986396;1421866846;Pierre_Rochard;gavinandresen: If I understand your argument correctly, you’re saying that the elasticity of demand is so great that fee maximization will be insufficient anyway, so try finding another solution now. That’s a pretty good argument, I think we should see what happens to fee revenue growth to validate it. If, say, the average fee goes up to 0.0004 btc and doesn’t budge from there, but anecdotally we hear that
986397;1421866847;Pierre_Rochard;off-blockchain transactions are taking off, then your argument will have won the day
986398;1421866862;asciilifeform;i can almost imagine some fellow advocating the urgency of bringing down megatonnes of gold from the asteroid belt, because failing this, a great many 'gold users' may take to using paper certificates 'as substitute'
986399;1421866873;lobbes;as others have stated; bitcoin is not meant for the 'masses'
986400;1421866888;ben_vulpes;lobbes: tell him who said it, he's ignoring me.
986401;1421866905;asciilifeform;i suspect that he is ignoring most or all of us.
986402;1421866916;ben_vulpes;!gettrust assbot gavinandresen
986403;1421866916;assbot;Trust relationship from user assbot to user gavinandresen: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 1 via 1 connections. | http://w.b-a.link/trust/assbot/gavinandresen | http://w.b-a.link/user/gavinandresen
986404;1421866918;kakobrekla;and i wasnt even insulting.
986405;1421866928;Pierre_Rochard;gavinandresen: but my intuition tells me such substitution won’t happen at such a low fee
986406;1421866938;asciilifeform;i, for one, would simply like some non-weasel answers to a few basic questions.
986407;1421866971;ben_vulpes;asciilifeform: this is why you kept getting sucked into arguing with Robert Viragh over plainly stupid shit.
986408;1421866975;gavinandresen;Pierre_Rochard: ok. I’d like to brainstorm more about how you would set the maximum block size— I don’t want the developers setting it every two months, but I dont’ see a way to make fee revenue per block drive it (because the real-world bitcoin exchange rate is so variable)
986409;1421866994;davout;gavinandresen: "oh, the IBLT stuff? yes, that’d make propagation O(1)" <<< so with that, there's no network bottleneck anymore, at least no real incentive for miners to keep blocks small, right?
986410;1421866995;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: i do believe i succeeded in ultimately pulling his wings off.
986411;1421867000;ben_vulpes;!rate gavinandresen -5 broke bitcoin in too many ways to mention. inquire within.
986412;1421867000;assbot;Request successful, get your OTP: http://w.b-a.link/otp/26d14cdaa2588fd5
986413;1421867026;ben_vulpes;!v assbot:ben_vulpes.rate.gavinandresen.-5:1b1cb1a93eadfd534bec6d5cdc3328d057c6baa2e6e97b7bfa34e5157384cc73
986414;1421867026;assbot;Successfully added a rating of -5 for gavinandresen with note: broke bitcoin in too many ways to mention. inquire within.
986415;1421867026;ben_vulpes;
986416;1421867033;gavinandresen;asciilifeform: ok, answers to your questions: I don’t know how many need to implode.  And I don’t know what kind of brain damage.
986417;1421867034;ben_vulpes;!down gavinandresen
986418;1421867050;kakobrekla;cmon he is still emitting
986419;1421867053;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: srsly
986420;1421867053;kakobrekla;!up gavinandresen
986421;1421867059;ben_vulpes;grarrghragr
986422;1421867063;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu hasn't even opened up yet
986423;1421867066;gavinandresen;davout: Miners would only have the meta-incentive of “we can collectively maximize revenue if we make blocks THIS big”
986424;1421867072;ben_vulpes;let him up the spamgun
986425;1421867090;gavinandresen;davout: I have no idea if the would cooperate enough to make that happen.
986426;1421867098;davout;gavinandresen: i'm completely with ben_vulpes "the notion that the wallet code should be responsible for setting fees is utter braindamage." on one hand it's not the wallet responsibility, and on the other hand that has nothing to do with the protocol
986427;1421867119;gavinandresen;davout: ok, “patches welcome"
986428;1421867133;ben_vulpes;asciilifeform: it's just a basic blood pressure/cortisol reduction measure
986429;1421867150;davout;gavinandresen: “patches welcome" <<< i don't use your wallet tbh
986430;1421867164;gavinandresen;davout: great!  your wallet can do whatever it likes with respect to fees.
986431;1421867231;Pierre_Rochard;gavinandresen: the only way I see is to regularly test at what tx fee the substitution begins happening, and increase it at the margin (say 20%) whenever the top percentile of fees starts hitting it. Yes, that would involve perhaps semi-annual block size limit increases and an element of judgement. I still see it as a better solution than a much-too-high limit or a contrived algorithm
986432;1421867246;asciilifeform;gavinandresen: so you admit that there is not, nor can there be, a non-fraudulent 'substitute' for bitcoin? that altchains, state-minted fiat, cowrie shells, are not in fact equivalent ?
986433;1421867260;Pierre_Rochard; increase it at the margin (say 20%) < increase the block size limit
986434;1421867270;BingoBoingo;;;bc,stats
986435;1421867274;gribble;Current Blocks: 339942 | Current Difficulty: 4.397166205608958E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 340703 | Next Difficulty In: 761 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 5 days, 13 hours, 18 minutes, and 49 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 42292830486.1 | Estimated Percent Change: -3.81799
986436;1421867286;gavinandresen;asciilifeform: huh?  a sidechain to which you transfer BTC value would be a non-fraudulent substitite.
986437;1421867309;asciilifeform;gavinandresen: it is fraudulent by virtue of not being the one and only genuine bitcoin. the schelling point.
986438;1421867327;asciilifeform;and by being crafted to give the opposite impression.
986439;1421867347;asciilifeform;(shit is not a fraudulent form of gold, but 'fool's gold' may be put to use as such)
986440;1421867364;gavinandresen;Pierre_Rochard: can you define “much too high limit” ?
986441;1421867420;Pierre_Rochard;gavinandresen: one where there is no competition among transactors to get into a block
986442;1421867440;undata;right, one would have to reach that state to know
986443;1421867460;asciilifeform;the whole concept of a 'sidechain' is an elaborate chumpatron.
986444;1421867466;Pierre_Rochard;that is, competition that would at least attempt to maximize transaction fee revenue
986445;1421867490;gavinandresen;Pierre_Rochard: fee revenue measured in real prices, yes?
986446;1421867541;gavinandresen;Pierre_Rochard:  … because driving up real Bitcoin prices is why I think we should do everything possible to encourage widespread adoption
986447;1421867543;Pierre_Rochard;gavinandresen: that’s actually a very interesting question because we currently live in a world where miner liabilities are in fiat prices, but in the future that may not be the case.
986448;1421867566;ben_vulpes;asciilifeform: what even is a sidechain?
986449;1421867582;asciilifeform;gavinandresen: another question: why precisely do you wish to rescue those who might be tempted to use 'substitutes' for bitcoin ?
986450;1421867624;gavinandresen;asciilifeform: I don’t want to rescue anybody, I want as many people as possible to Get the Bitcoin Religion!  Can I have an AMEN?
986451;1421867629;Pierre_Rochard;gavinandresen: right, that goes back to bitcoin’s adoption relative to other altcoins. when we see a divergence then we know there’s substitution going on
986452;1421867647;asciilifeform;gavinandresen: understand that you are now speaking to a number of people who do not believe inclusiveness itself to be a virtue. a steak eaten by a hundred thousand flies is 'more inclusive' than same stake being eaten by a man.
986453;1421867654;asciilifeform;*steak
986454;1421867683;gavinandresen;Pierre_Rochard: I think if you went to a VC with a business plan of “We’re going to raise prices until we start losing customers” the VC would tell you that is a huge mistake if you’re a high-growth thing-a-ma-bob
986455;1421867704;asciilifeform;gavinandresen: in your mind, it is a religion? as in, the gods whispered to you that you must bring as many unbelievers as possible into the fold ?
986456;1421867723;gavinandresen;asciilifeform: I’ll use <just joking> tags next time
986457;1421867733;ben_vulpes;<gavinandresen> asciilifeform: I don’t want to rescue anybody, I want as many people as possible to Get the Bitcoin Religion!  Can I have an AMEN? << good fucking god
986458;1421867744;asciilifeform;We�re going to raise prices until we start losing customers << what do you suppose the business model of 'aston martin' is ?
986459;1421867746;xanthyos;the bible warned us about you gavinandresen
986460;1421867758;Pierre_Rochard;gavinandresen: I agree, but in this case I think Bitcoin’s competitive advantage is 100x, and transaction fees are a relatively small part of that, so if they were $0.50 instead of $0.05, adoption rate would decrease by let’s say 0.01%.
986461;1421867768;ben_vulpes;gavinandresen is clearly unfamiliar with the pricing model of every luxury good ever.
986462;1421867780;gavinandresen;Ok, if y’all are interested in keeping Bitcoin an exclusive little club… then okey dokey, we have a fundamental difference of opinion on where the project should go.
986463;1421867795;Pierre_Rochard;so it’s immaterial, yet that transaction fee revenue is super-important for the customers to know, long term this is a viable enterprise that can sustain itself
986464;1421867814;lobbes;all you have to do is look at bitcointalk.org to see that getting clueless people involved for the sake of 'because' just leads to more scamming, and more ignorance
986465;1421867818;asciilifeform;gavinandresen: i find it odd that you are interested in inclusion on the user end (transactions) but not the node end
986466;1421867842;asciilifeform;gavinandresen: how are 20MB blocks a mechanism of 'inclusion' for folks who wish to continue running full nodes ?
986467;1421867849;asciilifeform;full nodes - as in, history-preserving.
986468;1421867853;asciilifeform;no 'pruning' bullshit.
986469;1421867860;danielpbarron;gavinandresen, what did satoshi write in the very first block??
986470;1421867912;gavinandresen;I’ve gotta go. Pierre_Rochard, nice chatting with you.
986471;1421867923;xanthyos;nice timing
986472;1421867924;xanthyos;faker
986473;1421867936;davout;lol
986474;1421867973;*;danielpbarron begins writing his indictment
986475;1421867978;mod6;bailiff, bring the witness back to the witness stand
986476;1421867982;davout;such convo, much mess, very lol
986477;1421867985;Pierre_Rochard;gavinandresen is clearly unfamiliar with the pricing model of every luxury good ever. < this
986478;1421868009;Pierre_Rochard;Bitcoin is a ferrari being sold for $10. Increasing the price to $100 will not deter buyers
986479;1421868011;davout;poor log readers...
986480;1421868016;kakobrekla;the thing is he sees silly-con valley and think the ways of VS are go.
986481;1421868024;kakobrekla;VCs*
986482;1421868043;asciilifeform;hence ben_vulpes's astute observation, being that the spirit of mr. spam walked again from the grave
986483;1421868068;asciilifeform;it is as if all tentacles of the beast spoke with a single voice.
986484;1421868104;asciilifeform;not any kind of surprise, incidentally, to a student of history (all soviet bureaucrats likewise spoke in one voice.)
986485;1421868111;davout;"so far I’m not impressed with the quality of the conversation in #bitcoin-assets....."
986486;1421868117;kakobrekla;!up diametric still no luck ?
986487;1421868153;kakobrekla;well it was noisy.
986488;1421868179;kakobrekla;not in the quality sense but quantity.
986489;1421868183;mod6;yah. srsly.
986490;1421868265;Pierre_Rochard;well if he disagrees on the premise that being fort knox is more important than being a rural walmart then there’s not much to discuss
986491;1421868266;asciilifeform;it still escapes me, what he was hoping to achieve by coming here.
986492;1421868286;mod6;davout asked him to come here so he could 'chat' with mp
986493;1421868363;asciilifeform;even though we did not get to see this, it is not difficult to imagine how the conversation may have went.
986494;1421868396;asciilifeform;folks who live by weaseling, smokescreen, evasion, tend to have just a few tricks up their sleeves.
986495;1421868517;asciilifeform;not necessarily on account of being stupid. a flunkie, lying from a position of desperation (our friend) - is overcome by anxiety, which inhibits creativity. on the other hand, an official liar, lying from a position of brute strength (e.g., keith alexander), is hobbled by complacency.
986496;1421868613;jurov;he's genuinely believing bitcoin needs to be here for every man, woman and child
986497;1421868616;diametric;kakobrekla: no luck, still saying it can't find my fingerprint.
986498;1421868634;kakobrekla;fucker.
986499;1421868641;asciilifeform;jurov: yes, while somehow (by divine intervention?) remaining 'bitcoin'
986500;1421868733;asciilifeform;'every man, woman, child' in america, africa, mars, alpha centauri - 'deserves' - a 'free' - mercedes, ph.d., three quintillion zimbabwe dollars...
986501;1421868740;asciilifeform;this gets old, it does.
986502;1421868908;davout;i would've loved seeing him actually elaborate on asciilifeform's questions
986503;1421868939;asciilifeform;and i'd love to fly on an f-35 with gigantic, fart-flaming pigs instead of engines.
986504;1421868953;Pierre_Rochard;not to mention, the transaction fee _today_ is $0.02. Where is every man woman and child? Why are they not taking advantage of this amazing opportunity??
986505;1421868953;assbot;AMAZING COMPANY!
986506;1421868953;davout;shut up
986507;1421868992;Pierre_Rochard;clearly there are much more important factors to adoption than the transaction fee
986508;1421869002;asciilifeform;Pierre_Rochard: because mr. obama has not handed each of them three quintillion bitcoins yet.
986509;1421869011;punkman;need more bitcoin bowl ads!
986510;1421869019;punkman;is very important
986511;1421869025;Pierre_Rochard;asciilifeform: why did he not announce that last night? why does he hate the middle class so?
986512;1421869032;davout;the idea that there exists somewhere a magical bitcoin alternative, suffering from none of its shortcomings, towards which everyone would flow is retarded
986513;1421869061;asciilifeform;davout: the idea that there is, was, or can be, an actual substitute (what is the substitute for electrical current ?) - ...
986514;1421869080;Pierre_Rochard;davout: I agree, the moat between bitcoin and the “substitutes” is _enormous_
986515;1421869104;asciilifeform;Pierre_Rochard: there are sound mathematical reasons to believe that there cannot be a stable substitute in any meaningful sense.
986516;1421869120;asciilifeform;Pierre_Rochard: see mircea_popescu's articles (ask him which, when he reappears) for elaboration.
986517;1421869174;Pierre_Rochard;asciilifeform: preaching to the choir, but a “substitute” in the economic term is the opposite of a “complement”, not something you necessarily consider on equal footing
986518;1421869203;chetty;its ok, they can just pass a law to change the maths to what they like
986519;1421869219;asciilifeform;Pierre_Rochard: there is nothing, and good reason to think there cannot be, anything which even rises to the level of an ersatz.
986520;1421869239;asciilifeform;but if a skateboard with a missing wheel is a substitute for a 'boeing' - then, sure.
986521;1421869312;chetty;(all you have to do to make such a law work is send the gasenwagen for anybody that knows any maths)
986522;1421869396;asciilifeform;chetty: ''Winston made another convulsive movement. This time he did not say anything. O'Brien continued as though answering a spoken objection: 'For certain purposes, of course, that is not true. When we navigate the ocean, or when we predict an eclipse, we often find it convenient to assume that the earth goes round the sun and that the stars are millions upon millions of kilometres away. But what of it? Do you suppose it is
986523;1421869396;asciilifeform; beyond us to produce a dual system of astronomy? The stars can be near or distant, according as we need them. Do you suppose our mathematicians are unequal to that? Have you forgotten doublethink?' (1984)
986524;1421869464;asciilifeform;or, alternatively, http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=30-07-2014#778095 http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=30-07-2014#778096
986525;1421869464;assbot;Logged on 30-07-2014 13:57:10; asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: remember the story about gorby and andropov?
986526;1421869464;assbot;Logged on 30-07-2014 13:57:29; asciilifeform: g: 'show me the real budget.' a: 'you're asking too much. that's off limits to you.'
986527;1421869484;asciilifeform;the funny part is that the sc4mz0rz are stuck keeping two sets of books.
986528;1421869517;asciilifeform;and are perpetually tempted to skip the other, honest set, entirely
986529;1421869548;asciilifeform;when they do - curtain call.
986530;1421869934;BingoBoingo;!up bitcoinmani
986531;1421869939;BingoBoingo;!up STRML1
986532;1421869943;BingoBoingo;!up gabriel_laddel
986533;1421869946;asciilifeform;!up diametric
986534;1421870075;diametric;yay
986535;1421870099;BingoBoingo;!up felipelalli
986536;1421870224;BingoBoingo;!up teek
986537;1421870249;asciilifeform;diametric: your key works now ?
986538;1421870255;diametric;yeah
986539;1421870261;asciilifeform;neat
986540;1421870271;diametric;for some real reason it wasn't importing it for the first time correctly, kakobrekla had to manually import it
986541;1421870273;diametric;now i'm good
986542;1421870290;diametric;real..i mean weird reason.
986543;1421870309;davout;diametric: this new assbot is a total scam
986544;1421870333;BingoBoingo;!up napedia
986545;1421870404;ben_vulpes;it's downright suspect that mircea_popescu goes to lunch and gavinandresen shows up
986546;1421870428;davout;ben_vulpes: it's downright suspect that it took you so long to come to this conclusion
986547;1421870438;ben_vulpes;fu davout
986548;1421870444;ben_vulpes;i'm submitting builds to apple
986549;1421870458;ben_vulpes;trying desperately to eke out food credits over here
986550;1421870463;ben_vulpes;i can't spot *every* scam
986551;1421870469;BingoBoingo;!up STRML1_
986552;1421870660;ben_vulpes;my new title is going to be "systems and app store submission engineer"
986553;1421870673;ben_vulpes;xcode "code signing" is hilariously opaque
986554;1421870682;ben_vulpes;contains "fix issue" buttons
986555;1421870689;ben_vulpes;who wants to "fix issues" related to keys?
986556;1421870695;ben_vulpes;my keys "have issues"? get fucked!
986557;1421870798;davout;ben_vulpes: my worst nightmares are those i'm forced to use xcode
986558;1421870806;davout;*where
986559;1421870832;BingoBoingo;http://i.imgur.com/31X7V0J.jpg
986560;1421870833;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1yI1TnB )
986561;1421870838;kakobrekla;wtf is xcode even
986562;1421870864;ben_vulpes;kakobrekla: apples proprietary "integrated development environment" for "objective c"
986563;1421870914;kakobrekla;sounds great
986564;1421870918;thestringpuller;ben_vulpes: it's not just fo objective c
986565;1421870938;thestringpuller;you need xcode to run build essentials on make
986566;1421870943;thestringpuller;aka gcc and friends
986567;1421870950;thestringpuller;>:P
986568;1421870970;asciilifeform;gcc <<  nope
986569;1421870973;asciilifeform;they ditched gcc.
986570;1421870987;davout;kakobrekla: the IDE where folders don't actually create folders on disk
986571;1421871001;davout;thestringpuller: s/gcc/llvm/
986572;1421871012;davout;it's a fucking symlink
986573;1421871030;thestringpuller;davout: i see
986574;1421871037;thestringpuller;gcc --version
986575;1421871037;thestringpuller;Configured with: --prefix=/Applications/Xcode.app/Contents/Developer/usr --with-gxx-include-dir=/usr/include/c++/4.2.1
986576;1421871039;thestringpuller;Apple LLVM version 6.0 (clang-600.0.56) (based on LLVM 3.5svn)
986577;1421871042;thestringpuller;Target: x86_64-apple-darwin13.4.0
986578;1421871044;thestringpuller;Thread model: posix
986579;1421871050;davout;"you want to organize your code with folders? fuck you, i'll store them randomly and index them in some massive xml turd"
986580;1421871096;kakobrekla;lol!
986581;1421871098;davout;"you want to track your code on git and code with other folks? fuck you, i'll make this massive xml piece of shit completely unmergeable"
986582;1421871116;thestringpuller;personal experience davout ?
986583;1421871130;davout;thestringpuller: yeah. needless to say the experience was short.
986584;1421871190;thestringpuller;asciilifeform: "would you like a mac or win machine?" "You mean which two bowls of shit would I like to eat?"
986585;1421871207;thestringpuller;which of the two*
986586;1421871277;ben_vulpes;davout: oh yeah don't use the layout engine
986587;1421871300;kakobrekla;you guys dont survive without apple turds?
986588;1421871321;asciilifeform;kakobrekla: i think ben_vulpes writes softs for apple's stuff commercially ?
986589;1421871336;kakobrekla;well hence the question
986590;1421871343;kakobrekla;if he doesnt survive otherwise
986591;1421871345;thestringpuller;davout: at what point does this ruby thing start to grow on me?
986592;1421871361;ben_vulpes;asciilifeform: others write the softs
986593;1421871378;ben_vulpes;i derp through apple's code signing shitshow so that they can focus on writing moar softs
986594;1421871379;davout;thestringpuller: i don't know man, who am i to know your personal tastes? :-)
986595;1421871386;ben_vulpes;<ben_vulpes> my new title is going to be "systems and app store submission engineer" << asciilifeform
986596;1421871387;davout;thestringpuller: what are you using it for?
986597;1421871395;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: aha.
986598;1421871419;davout;thestringpuller: ruby can be extremly confusing, especially if you use some weird proprietary dsl someone forces on you
986599;1421871419;ben_vulpes;asciilifeform: i also unload the dishwasher in the morning and turn the lights off at night.
986600;1421871457;*;kakobrekla has leds, can just leave em running.
986601;1421871485;davout;!up STRML
986602;1421871488;STRML;davout: Thanks
986603;1421871492;davout;yw
986604;1421871500;thestringpuller;davout: i'm using it for web apps at work. not really a web stack developer, but it's not as bad as php but still doesn't taste good.
986605;1421871511;STRML;I echo your frustration with ruby. It's a nightmare trying to figure out some obscure part of the capistrano or chef DSLs
986606;1421871528;STRML;all the confusion and unfamiliarity of a new programming language without any of the benefits
986607;1421871551;thestringpuller;it's easier to debug, but so is python in the same context I guess?
986608;1421871559;davout;STRML: yeah, dsl's can be a massive pain
986609;1421871575;STRML;I'm sure they were meant to make things easier but it never quite ends up that way
986610;1421871575;davout;thestringpuller: i don't really know python so i can't really comment
986611;1421871587;ben_vulpes;it's just java
986612;1421871589;STRML;python is nice to debug... java too
986613;1421871590;ben_vulpes;for people with silly hair
986614;1421871606;davout;ben_vulpes: how do you know?
986615;1421871608;STRML;even JS isn't so bad to debug. better than php
986616;1421871633;davout;STRML: dsl's get much much easier when you're proficient with the language
986617;1421871646;davout;thestringpuller: what framework are you using?
986618;1421871649;ben_vulpes;davout: well i've written java, i've written ruby, and i've had extensive interactions with the relevant "communities" (although only my local java "community")
986619;1421871657;BingoBoingo;STRML: https://freenode.net/faq.shtml#cloaks
986620;1421871659;assbot;freenode: frequently-asked questions ... ( http://bit.ly/1EsxzgY )
986621;1421871670;davout;ben_vulpes: i meant "how do you know about my haricut?"
986622;1421871681;davout;MAH HARICUT IS SIKRIT BZNS
986623;1421871701;ben_vulpes;lol well rubby haircuts are normally done by the hair wearer
986624;1421871710;ben_vulpes;"why are your bangs off center"
986625;1421871711;thestringpuller;davout: sinatra wasn't bad. now I'm learning rails.
986626;1421871722;davout;ben_vulpes: kek
986627;1421871738;davout;thestringpuller: i like sinatra, it's real simple, and there's very little magic
986628;1421871769;davout;i kind of dislike rails, too fat, too clunky, unless you have something that really fits the rest paradigm
986629;1421871774;STRML;BingoBoingo: Thanks
986630;1421871788;davout;thestringpuller: i really like eventmachine
986631;1421872032;BingoBoingo;For people catching up on mircea_popescu gavin drama http://trilema.com/2013/and-gavin-moves-on-to-the-dark-side-the-bitcoin-project-is-officially-hijacked/
986632;1421872032;assbot;And Gavin moves on to the dark side. The Bitcoin project is officially hijacked pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.  ... ( http://bit.ly/1yI2YM2 )
986633;1421872805;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 43315 @ 0.00049152 = 21.2902 BTC [+] {2} 
986634;1421873050;BingoBoingo;nubbins`: Nice video
986635;1421873115;nubbins`;ty
986636;1421873119;nubbins`;not every shill gets a shirt
986637;1421873398;BingoBoingo;lol
986638;1421874004;BingoBoingo;!up grave
986639;1421874327;thestringpuller;davout: do you like the french electronic music scene?
986640;1421874338;thestringpuller;aka justice, daft punk, et. al?
986641;1421874344;davout;justusranvier: in your article you shouldn't be reasoning on the cost of including a transaction in a block as (cost of one block / number of transactions) but you should reason on the marginal cost of adding a transaction to an already existing block that i'm currently mining
986642;1421874381;davout;also you can't really have the market price according to supply and demand when the supply's pretty much infinite for all practical purposes
986643;1421874391;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 81000 @ 0.00050193 = 40.6563 BTC [+]
986644;1421874408;davout;thestringpuller: i'm not really such an electronic music guy
986645;1421874416;davout;i liked daft punk's first albums tho
986646;1421874432;davout;i'm more of classical music and jazz guy
986647;1421874453;thestringpuller;jazz you say? :D
986648;1421874457;thestringpuller;I fucking love Jazz.
986649;1421874457;davout;last 'electronic' music i got into was birdy nam nam
986650;1421874470;davout;what kind of jazz?
986651;1421874502;thestringpuller;All kinds everything from Oscar Peterson, Art Tatum, Dave Brubeck, Dizzy, Coltrane.
986652;1421874511;thestringpuller;I love Lee Morgan, such an epic history to him.
986653;1421874528;thestringpuller;Mingus is cool as fuck too.
986654;1421874587;thestringpuller;how bout you?
986655;1421874601;davout;thestringpuller: i'm grabbing you something
986656;1421874626;thestringpuller;:D
986657;1421874653;mircea_popescu;!up bitcoinmani
986658;1421874696;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu!
986659;1421874699;ben_vulpes;mircea_popescu: you missed all the fun
986660;1421874701;mircea_popescu;yes ?
986661;1421874705;mircea_popescu;what fun is that ?
986662;1421874707;davout;mircea_popescu: lol yes
986663;1421874712;ben_vulpes;roasting gavinandresen
986664;1421874727;mircea_popescu;haha wait, soi he had a lunch meeting except once i also had one his was cancelled ?
986665;1421874738;ben_vulpes;p much
986666;1421874738;mircea_popescu;a well. i guess bravery is not a silicon valley virtue.
986667;1421874755;asciilifeform;shillicon valley
986668;1421874795;*;mircea_popescu goes to check teh logs.
986669;1421874798;davout;thestringpuller: https://db.tt/iUB6Zn5E
986670;1421874802;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/15betPS )
986671;1421874837;davout;thestringpuller: sinatra cover by biréli lagrène
986672;1421874864;mircea_popescu;mats: dos via cert chain replacement << this http-SECURE thing is getting lulzier and lulzier
986673;1421874988;davout;justusranvier: especially considering that block propagation is soon to be O(1)
986674;1421874991;thestringpuller;davout: luck be a lady tonight. hehe.
986675;1421875006;thestringpuller;!s from:gavinandresen
986676;1421875007;assbot;59 results for 'from:gavinandresen' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=from%3Agavinandresen
986677;1421875077;BingoBoingo;!s turd*
986678;1421875078;assbot;794 results for 'turd*' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=turd%2A
986679;1421875082;mircea_popescu;punkman: "For one thing, doctors were upset because Semmelweis' hypothesis << yup that's a recurring topic here.
986680;1421875093;thestringpuller;i figured it out! gavinandresen and mircea_popescu are the same person!
986681;1421875100;thestringpuller;cause they are never in same room at same time
986682;1421875104;thestringpuller;conspiracy solved
986683;1421875111;davout;genius
986684;1421875117;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-01-2015#985246 < fopr instance.
986685;1421875117;assbot;Logged on 21-01-2015 01:56:34; mircea_popescu: right about at the time they tarred and feathered that asinine idiot who said they should wash hands
986686;1421875118;thestringpuller;open and shut case johnson, sprinkle some crack on him and lets get out of here
986687;1421875127;jurov;they happen to be in two rooms at the same time
986688;1421875137;jurov;or mircea is capable of bilocation?
986689;1421875146;asciilifeform;he fork()s
986690;1421875168;mircea_popescu;slandeur
986691;1421875173;jurov;hope he reaps his zombies
986692;1421875185;davout;jurov: he keeps bragging about bicopulation
986693;1421875203;mircea_popescu;davout bicopulation is what that deer in the middle's doin'. ain't me!
986694;1421875270;jurov;;;ud bicopulation
986695;1421875271;gribble;Google found nothing.
986696;1421875294;jurov;sorry mircea, davout coined it first
986697;1421875328;BingoBoingo;!up devthedev
986698;1421875345;mircea_popescu;so i coin it biggest!
986699;1421875367;BingoBoingo;devthedev: What is this about the head of 'Muricas other socialist party opening session with an Islamic prayer?
986700;1421875468;mircea_popescu;punkman: their demos are stupid though << yeah they had no idea how to sell that thing.
986701;1421875528;mircea_popescu;nubbins`: lifted from deviant art and shutterstock << are the da starving artists going to get a cut of the 14k ?
986702;1421875539;mircea_popescu;i see Blazedout419 ain't answering my q from yest ;/
986703;1421875541;mircea_popescu;!up Blazedout419
986704;1421875643;mircea_popescu;assbot: Under Mark Karpeles bitcoin did 3,000,000%. Under VC capital, merchant adoption, bitcoin bowl it did -80%. : Bitcoin  << that post has a core of point in it. if it weren't wrapped in redditard retardation / karpeles bs, it'd almost be worth making.
986705;1421875725;kakobrekla;myea bitpay would do better if they just deleted their wallet
986706;1421875729;asciilifeform;one of the alchemical powers of idiots is the ability to transform theoretically good points into, well, this
986707;1421875753;BingoBoingo;!b 3
986708;1421875754;assbot;Last 3 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/2PQ3NZY.txt )
986709;1421875772;mircea_popescu;nevertheless, VCs have been doing appalingly poorly in bitcoin.
986710;1421875786;mircea_popescu;mostly because bitcoin does not reward their "get big fast" pump and dump scam.
986711;1421875811;mircea_popescu;maybe it's time they fold and just take their subervient place in the ecosystem ?
986712;1421875812;BingoBoingo;Well generally they tend to raise dollars and burn them. Or in BitPay's case start with Bitcoins and then burn those.
986713;1421875822;mircea_popescu;there's nothing wrong with humility if pride just means you lose money.
986714;1421875835;asciilifeform;VCs have been doing appalingly poorly << this assumes that their objective was to do well in the usual, commercial sense
986715;1421875851;thestringpuller;BingoBoingo: well they don't burn btc really...
986716;1421875872;thestringpuller;i don't think they are allowed to hold btc as assets, i dunno.
986717;1421875873;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform this assumes they are what they claim to be.
986718;1421875894;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: something that takes an ever rarer class of chump to believe.
986719;1421875911;BingoBoingo;thestringpuller: Well ESPN says they paid ESPN in BTC
986720;1421875976;mircea_popescu;not a matter of chumpness tho. suppose dude rings your doorbell dressed as a car mechanic. "yes ?" "hello i'm the pizza delivery". "you don't seem to have any pizza ?" "ha-ha! fooled you! i'm only SAYING im pizza delivery"
986721;1421875987;mircea_popescu;"well fuck you then ? not like i care eiter way ?"
986722;1421876011;davout;thestringpuller: why wouldn't they be?
986723;1421876014;thestringpuller;BingoBoingo: yea but from what I can gather (i am no expert), would be written as an expense
986724;1421876034;thestringpuller;as all their liabilities are covered as fiat, so I assume assets are handled sameway
986725;1421876049;mircea_popescu;davout because idiotic accountantlogic.
986726;1421876077;thestringpuller;^- CFO's fault
986727;1421876084;mircea_popescu;right.
986728;1421876107;mircea_popescu;assbot: The-Feminist-Software-Foundation/ToleranUX << lmao this shit better be parodic.
986729;1421876120;thestringpuller;there's a lot wrong there, but my theory is VC's won't let them hold btc like other btc companies
986730;1421876122;davout;mircea_popescu thestringpuller the accountant can account for the value paymium's coin in whatever fiat he fancies, he can go fuck himself before we sell it
986731;1421876146;mircea_popescu;davout have you spent any time in teh us corporate environment ?
986732;1421876151;thestringpuller;lol
986733;1421876169;mircea_popescu;because it is a sort of insanity that can not readily be grasped from outside.
986734;1421876197;davout;mircea_popescu: ic
986735;1421876241;thestringpuller;davout: yea. p. much. Then VC comes in and says, "You may have this much btc on book at anytime" or I guess CFO or whatever. I dunno, I'm not an accountant.
986736;1421876244;thestringpuller;smickles where r u
986737;1421876307;davout;thestringpuller: i have already heard that from potential investors, these were shown the door
986738;1421876327;thestringpuller;ah so theory holds some water.
986739;1421876330;davout;WAI U NO WANT BTC IF U WANT INVEST IN BTC CORP
986740;1421876336;thestringpuller;i knew I wasn't cray cray
986741;1421876344;devthedev;BingoBoingo: What is this about the head of 'Muricas other socialist party opening session with an Islamic prayer? << It makes my stomach turn
986742;1421876352;davout;thestringpuller: yes it does, i have heard that kind of bullshit first hand
986743;1421876363;BingoBoingo;devthedev: Well you spotted it, you can tell the story...
986744;1421876388;mircea_popescu;davout there's a large chunk of facetious asshats who hate bitcoin just as much as the next guy whose unearned position it threatens. but they figure they get further with a spoonfull of honey than a barrel of vinegar, and so will make this sort of claim.
986745;1421876392;BingoBoingo;What did the leader of America's other Socialist party do?
986746;1421876394;*;Adlai had a big tussle with a business associate about his (the other guy's) emphasis on "pitching bitcoin" to investors
986747;1421876405;mircea_popescu;that they're "investing", that they wiosh to "drive adoption", that generally they're only trying to help.
986748;1421876406;Adlai;whereas my stance was that not pitching bitcoin filters out the people to whom bitcoin needs to be pitched
986749;1421876417;mircea_popescu;they're trivially identified in the field by the shockingly unhelpful nature of their helpings,
986750;1421876426;asciilifeform;'investing' << 'embrace, extend, extinguish'
986751;1421876427;mircea_popescu;and by the incredible tenacity they put into keeping it that way'
986752;1421876438;devthedev;John Boehner opened a house session with a prayer to Allah.
986753;1421876438;mircea_popescu;so it's not really a very functional strategy.
986754;1421876501;mircea_popescu;point in case of this matter, once gavin is questioned as to why exactly he wants to do x, and he immediately and seamlessly moves into "oh, so what's the right value, so you want to do X' ??" it is clear that he is not in fact interested in what he claims to discuss
986755;1421876543;thestringpuller;mircea_popescu: this gives me the impression that...maybe this is bitpay's handlers driving this nonsense
986756;1421876550;thestringpuller;as you've said before
986757;1421876558;thestringpuller;opaque agenda is opaque
986758;1421876559;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: i for one did not expect this to be so brazenly demonstrated, so quickly, as it was.
986759;1421876596;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: notice how similar his flavour of muppetronics is to that of mr. spam
986760;1421876596;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform subtlety is expensive. political competence especially so.
986761;1421876606;thestringpuller;asciilifeform: i was telling a friend the other night that the CIA/FBI acts as the USG mafia, but won't admit to being the mafia. Whereas KGB/Soviets said, "Yea we're the mob, watcha gonna do about it?"
986762;1421876622;mircea_popescu;the theoretical theory was that "Bitcoin is all nerds anyway" and so any old junk should stick.,
986763;1421876624;thestringpuller;At least the russians were willing to be SOMEWHAT honest.
986764;1421876715;mircea_popescu;chetty: <<< reading various stuffs here on the great blockchain 'fix', I wonder whatever happened to "If it ain't broke, don't fix it!" <<< "everyone wants to be a developer" happened. and "everyone should get what they want" also happened.
986765;1421876767;asciilifeform;thestringpuller: in the mid-20th-c., world split into 'prison' and 'psych ward' camps. 'hard' and 'soft'-power, respectively.
986766;1421876800;asciilifeform;thestringpuller: these being the two basic schools of thought on how to run a 20th c. state.
986767;1421876844;Adlai;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7S94ohyErSw << bitcoin theme song
986768;1421876846;assbot;The Rolling Stones - You Can't Always Get What You Want   [Official] - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1yI8fDp )
986769;1421876847;mircea_popescu;felipelalli: but I also found too aggressive the numbers of Gavin. And why do you guys hate Gavin? << you will benefit from reading the logs, also googling "site:trilema.com gavin" might help.
986770;1421876860;BingoBoingo;!up felipelalli
986771;1421876872;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform where by 20th c state we mean, one of those insane constructions where everyone is equal.
986772;1421876877;mircea_popescu;ie, how to run a socialist state.
986773;1421876878;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: them.
986774;1421876890;davout;asciilifeform: pardon my ignorance, but who is mr spam?
986775;1421876893;mircea_popescu;and yes, a socialist state can only be run as a prison or as an insane asylum. because socialism is insanity.
986776;1421876899;Adlai;davout: ninjashogun
986777;1421876909;davout;!s ninjashogun
986778;1421876910;assbot;1761 results for 'ninjashogun' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=ninjashogun
986779;1421876915;davout;wow
986780;1421876917;asciilifeform;davout: i call him 'mr. spam' because he changed alias with some regularity. and promised to return one day under a yet-new one.
986781;1421876920;Adlai;spam indeed
986782;1421876929;davout;that's a high amount of ninjashogun
986783;1421876938;davout;asciilifeform: ic, ty
986784;1421876954;mircea_popescu;jurov: now i have 40/40 , but back when i had 10mbit uplink, bitcoind sometimes saturated it << this is an universal experience.
986785;1421876957;asciilifeform;davout: he's become a kind of proverbial example here, of certain kinds of behaviour
986786;1421876958;BingoBoingo;http://www.oracle.com/technetwork/topics/security/cpujan2015-1972971.html
986787;1421876960;assbot;Oracle Critical Patch Update - January 2015 ... ( http://bit.ly/1yI8rmj )
986788;1421876969;mircea_popescu;i have what the dorks refer to "Fat pipes" on a number of nodes and they still get saturated on occasion.
986789;1421876976;BingoBoingo;!up weex_
986790;1421876976;Adlai;my main problem with "mr spam" was the high stock he placed in ideas
986791;1421876982;Adlai;ideas are worthless, execution is what matters
986792;1421877001;mircea_popescu;Adlai some ideas are more worthless than others.
986793;1421877002;kakobrekla;shut up my idea does not require execution
986794;1421877004;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: packet shaping is a glorious thing.
986795;1421877023;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: one of the reasons i took the sweat to set up a civilized routing stack at home
986796;1421877031;Adlai;yes, but keeping an idea secret doesn't prevent somebody else from executing it better than you, while you sit around trying to get people to invest in something you haven't explained to them
986797;1421877042;BingoBoingo;alf handcarves exquisite reliefs as he shapes traffic
986798;1421877056;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform it just has to do with, if a bunch of nodes wake up and find you...
986799;1421877133;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: find you and what? they get to eat out of a fixed trough, no faster than they are fed.
986800;1421877146;Adlai;mircea_popescu: eta on D.CTIP?
986801;1421877153;Adlai;they require you to price withdrawals in dollars
986802;1421877156;mircea_popescu;which is d.ctip ?
986803;1421877159;Adlai;this is retardation to a new level
986804;1421877161;Adlai;changetip
986805;1421877164;mircea_popescu;...
986806;1421877170;mircea_popescu;how is that worth anything ?
986807;1421877177;Adlai;i have no clue
986808;1421877184;mircea_popescu;so then eta is clue / 0
986809;1421877189;Adlai;but when you withdraw bitcoin, on the bitcoin network, you have to specify the amount in dollars
986810;1421877190;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: Believe it or not it got a VC round, raised money
986811;1421877197;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 75500 @ 0.00050243 = 37.9335 BTC [+] {2} 
986812;1421877216;thestringpuller;2 times
986813;1421877219;thestringpuller;lol
986814;1421877223;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: http://qntra.net/2014/12/changetip-raises-3-5-million-lead-by-pantera-capital/
986815;1421877224;assbot;ChangeTip Raises $3.5 Million Lead by Pantera Capital | Qntra.net ... ( http://bit.ly/1xzQjXd )
986816;1421877232;thestringpuller;first round was 750k
986817;1421877259;asciilifeform;https://panteracapital.com/about
986818;1421877260;assbot;About | Pantera Capital - Bitcoin Investment Firm ... ( http://bit.ly/1xzQsKp )
986819;1421877264;asciilifeform;^ sc4mz0r zoo
986820;1421877289;*;mircea_popescu shrugs.
986821;1421877321;kakobrekla;ah yes they plunked 10mio to buttstamp.
986822;1421877324;mircea_popescu;at this point listing them on mpex should yield what, 25% of equity. because it'd definitely increase their market value by that much.
986823;1421877326;Adlai;it's just baffling how people invest in this
986824;1421877335;asciilifeform;incidentally, there was a time when usg did the 'strategic vc' thing more or less above-board. see 'in-q-tel.'
986825;1421877344;asciilifeform;still a going concern, iirc
986826;1421877352;BingoBoingo;Wait, Buttstamp isn't even 3 full changetips?
986827;1421877435;Adlai;a penny pushing social media spamhaus with no business plan is almost half an exchange?
986828;1421877455;asciilifeform;'changetip,' as i understand, answers two usg desires: 1) injection of tard armies into bitcoin, fodder for gavinization 2) the old, tired 'let's put some names/faces/palmprints/arsebook histories on as many btc addrs as we can'
986829;1421877480;mircea_popescu;Adlai the exchange has no margin in an indefensible market and makes no money.
986830;1421877487;diametric;nubbins`: so i'm being led to believe you can produce wood t-shirts for me now, hand carved no less.
986831;1421877489;mircea_popescu;so yes, 0 is ~= half a 0.
986832;1421877497;Adlai;lol
986833;1421877500;mircea_popescu;diametric witnessed.
986834;1421877524;asciilifeform;wooden t-shirts << ru slang, 'wooden mackintosh', coffin
986835;1421877534;diametric;ha really?
986836;1421877538;asciilifeform;aha.
986837;1421877545;BingoBoingo;!up Lolugal
986838;1421877550;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform the 2nd is particularly pernicious because of the "good enough" approach. "what do you mean bitcoin transactions can't be used to identify anything ? here's a list of derps we know for a fact, they're 50% of the blockchain spam"
986839;1421877555;Lolugal;hello
986840;1421877560;mircea_popescu;pseudoarguments of the attorney ilk.
986841;1421877562;BingoBoingo;Hello Lolugal
986842;1421877624;BingoBoingo;<mircea_popescu> asciilifeform the 2nd is particularly pernicious because of the "good enough" approach. "what do you mean bitcoin transactions can't be used to identify anything ? here's a list of derps we know for a fact, they're 50% of the blockchain spam" << Reasons to never use a public Electrum server for people wondering about "Lite" wallets.
986843;1421877636;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: it goes very well with the usg approach to target selection. which is the 'texas sharpshooter' algorithm.
986844;1421877647;mircea_popescu;reason to not "drive adoption" to idiots / poor people / etc.
986845;1421877656;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform myeah.
986846;1421877717;asciilifeform;!s cocaine toilet
986847;1421877718;assbot;5 results for 'cocaine toilet' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=cocaine+toilet
986848;1421877719;mircea_popescu;thestringpuller: mircea_popescu: pity conformal isn't better known. << how so?  << they did all sorts of things for "the community" to be able to use their own stuff, which the community isn't doing because... well i guess more because lazy and stupid, but hey.
986849;1421877783;mircea_popescu;1800 lines day's not even done ;/
986850;1421877786;mircea_popescu;guyse!
986851;1421877794;Adlai;you missed gavin!
986852;1421877795;*;Adlai did too
986853;1421877803;ben_vulpes;<BingoBoingo> thestringpuller: Well ESPN says they paid ESPN in BTC << i thought it was a promise to pay in btc, the paper for which ESPN liquidated immediately
986854;1421877807;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 4260 @ 0.00080694 = 3.4376 BTC [+] {9} 
986855;1421877815;mircea_popescu;yeah derp claimed he can't come because he's got a lunch engagement, then found out that so do i so he suddenly could.
986856;1421877818;*;Adlai is impressed that gavin showed up here, but also a little puzzled - did anybody think anybody else's opinion would change?
986857;1421877827;mircea_popescu;not a matter of opinions.
986858;1421877829;ben_vulpes;it's allll part of the act.
986859;1421877838;BingoBoingo;ben_vulpes: Why do you have to highlight the shortcut that was almost certainly taken
986860;1421877839;ben_vulpes;he has to show. has to "try to talk sense into -assets"
986861;1421877843;Adlai;my new favorite word, after btcmiami, is "signaling"
986862;1421877848;mircea_popescu;guy saw an opportunity to check off thisparticular thing without actually doing it, and took it.
986863;1421877859;BingoBoingo;Adlai: What is "signaling"
986864;1421877863;mircea_popescu;it speaks volumes as to his own perceived value of his own "opinions" which he doesn;'t actually hold.
986865;1421877868;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 3590 @ 0.00082 = 2.9438 BTC [+]
986866;1421877877;mircea_popescu;however, it only speaks volumes to those capable to listen.
986867;1421877894;Adlai;BingoBoingo: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Signalling_theory
986868;1421877896;assbot;Signalling theory - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ... ( http://bit.ly/1yI9kuZ )
986869;1421877911;mircea_popescu;that was a fad 20 years ago too.
986870;1421877922;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: see also 'stotting'
986871;1421877925;asciilifeform;(from your own article)
986872;1421877933;mircea_popescu;yeh
986873;1421877937;Adlai;btcmiami was all a huge signal: "look at us, we're so successful, we can sponsor all of this!"
986874;1421877946;Adlai;"come make us able to sponsor the next one too!("
986875;1421877958;asciilifeform;jumping up and down, to show that your legs work, is an example of what zoologists called 'honest signal'
986876;1421877975;mircea_popescu;Adlai so was that cyprus fiasco.
986877;1421877984;mircea_popescu;"we're so smart, we even got the dean of the cyprus uni to come!"
986878;1421877994;mircea_popescu;now that guy doesn't know how to erase his name from the mess.
986879;1421878012;mircea_popescu;exact same thing, in this exact same chan, three years ago. nefario was all "oh, we're so smart we got stallman to come"
986880;1421878020;mircea_popescu;dub actually was there iirc
986881;1421878036;ben_vulpes;pronking?
986882;1421878038;ben_vulpes;sporking?
986883;1421878040;ben_vulpes;dorking?
986884;1421878042;ben_vulpes;honking?
986885;1421878047;ben_vulpes;i can never remember this word.
986886;1421878049;mircea_popescu;ne1 else recall the glbse conference where nefario explained all about how he's immune to stuff two weeks before closing down ?
986887;1421878056;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes stotting ?
986888;1421878062;ben_vulpes;sotting, yeah.
986889;1421878088;Naphex;ben_vulpes: heard you got ignored by gavin for distracting him ;)
986890;1421878090;asciilifeform;lol, what did stallman say ?
986891;1421878099;asciilifeform;(and was it signed ?)
986892;1421878109;ben_vulpes;Naphex: distracting << lol. not pandering, do you mean?
986893;1421878117;ben_vulpes;asking questions faster than his tiny brain and crippled fingers can keep up?
986894;1421878118;BingoBoingo;The video and Nefario rambling is somewhere
986895;1421878132;Naphex;hehe
986896;1421878133;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform he was physically there.
986897;1421878139;mircea_popescu;lemme find the thing brb
986898;1421878213;ben_vulpes;http://object-files.shithouse.tv/
986899;1421878214;assbot;object-files ... ( http://bit.ly/1yI9zGv )
986900;1421878289;BingoBoingo;Trilema movie night http://trilema.com/2012/fear-and-loathing-in-your-mother/
986901;1421878290;assbot;Fear and Loathing in Your Mother pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.  ... ( http://bit.ly/1yI9GBZ )
986902;1421878343;Adlai;more like "must read"
986903;1421878346;Adlai;although i guess that's another one of the lost arts
986904;1421878417;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 39300 @ 0.00050299 = 19.7675 BTC [+] {2} 
986905;1421878490;mircea_popescu;;;seen nefario
986906;1421878490;gribble;nefario was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 2 years, 17 weeks, 0 days, 2 hours, 14 minutes, and 51 seconds ago: <nefario> Those assets are not listed or traded anymore
986907;1421878539;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6489 @ 0.00050313 = 3.2648 BTC [+]
986908;1421878583;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform http://pastebin.com/aLENimd7 << there you go, pretty much complete guy's last week.
986909;1421878585;assbot;Sep 15 02:16:04 <nefario>oh man  Sep 15 02:16:06 <nefario>so tired  Sep 15 02: - Pastebin.com ... ( http://bit.ly/1xzW5rR )
986910;1421878631;BingoBoingo;Ah looking for that video link I ran into this classic on the only Bitcoin adoption that matters http://trilema.com/2012/bribes-in-bitcoins/
986911;1421878632;assbot;Bribes in Bitcoins pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.  ... ( http://bit.ly/1xzWiLC )
986912;1421878671;mircea_popescu;mike_c: i suppose his point is along the lines of "mpex controls the coins it is holding, but account holders own them". << quite a weak point.
986913;1421878694;mircea_popescu;mpex is not regulated by the nyse, or in general by the us. expectations to the contrary will result in bruised expectators.
986914;1421878821;mircea_popescu;that'd be yet another difference between me and (bpay / coinbase / derp.* etc) : not only i make money and they make burn rate, but when i speak i speak from atop a position of significant power. they speak out of their ass, pretty much,not having an iota of actual influence either way.
986915;1421878836;mircea_popescu;which is fundamentally why they gotta keep quiet, for that matter.
986916;1421878901;BingoBoingo;!up STRML
986917;1421878917;mircea_popescu;STRML you're not using your cloak correctly youknow. we can see your ip.
986918;1421878933;ben_vulpes;*gasp*
986919;1421878936;ben_vulpes;your IP is showing!
986920;1421878939;ben_vulpes;SHAME
986921;1421878940;mircea_popescu;lol
986922;1421878943;mircea_popescu;nipples!
986923;1421878946;ben_vulpes;nudity!
986924;1421878948;mod6;*zip*
986925;1421878955;ben_vulpes;feel bad about your toolchain
986926;1421878959;ben_vulpes;and body, while you're at it
986927;1421878961;mircea_popescu;anyway, i figure if someone goes to the trouble of getting a cloak they prolly care about it.
986928;1421878966;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 80314 @ 0.00050319 = 40.4132 BTC [+] {2} 
986929;1421878990;BingoBoingo;http://trilema.com/2012/bitcoin-wittgenstein-assets/
986930;1421878990;assbot;#bitcoin-wittgenstein-assets pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.  ... ( http://bit.ly/1yIaeHS )
986931;1421879008;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: Earlier he said his bouncer was getting DoS...
986932;1421879029;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo re that post, lemme tell you how flattened i was by davout using "posteriority" :D
986933;1421879046;BingoBoingo;And yet Davout survives
986934;1421879059;davout;what
986935;1421879132;mircea_popescu;davout apparently i misread ?
986936;1421879156;mircea_popescu;le suck.
986937;1421879175;davout;posteriority, assness
986938;1421879212;mircea_popescu;you know, posterity ?
986939;1421879237;davout;yes
986940;1421879252;davout;postérieur in french also means butt
986941;1421879274;mircea_popescu;yup
986942;1421879329;mircea_popescu;kakobrekla: i noticed when i was coding that keyservers tend to go down a lot << this is true, and has been for a while. pgp keyservers like the weakest link in the assets system currently.
986943;1421879339;mircea_popescu;incredible what ends up imported into our house ;/
986944;1421879400;mats;guess we'll have to run a keyserver now.
986945;1421879421;mircea_popescu;eventually yeah
986946;1421879423;mats;themes of #b-a: rebuild EVERYTHING
986947;1421879431;mircea_popescu;kinda hoping that the by-default gossipd keystore system may be enough
986948;1421879467;BingoBoingo;Oh a qntra submission to /. got accepted, but in linksnipped form, Instead of the qntra story they link spamm-mysanantonio.com which isn't even remotely local to the fucking arrest!
986949;1421879493;mircea_popescu;for shame.
986950;1421879497;mircea_popescu;point it out in comemnts.
986951;1421879515;kakobrekla;mats pretty much, and given the number of able people here, it will never get done
986952;1421879523;mircea_popescu;a) It's not nice to snip the source link - if you thought the guy;s work is good enough to use, think the guy is good enough to credit ;
986953;1421879532;mircea_popescu;b) the spammy link you replaced it with isn't even local. or useful.
986954;1421879546;mircea_popescu;statist pesimist!!
986955;1421879610;kakobrekla;me? im a realist, thats why im pessimistic.
986956;1421879667;mircea_popescu;kinda funny how "statist " is slowly becoming a cry de guerre.
986957;1421879704;mircea_popescu;anyway, ftr, there's nothing at all in this gavin thing. so he came in, derped about nothing in particular, found his way out. at least a dozen random noobs/spammers performed just as well.
986958;1421879708;BingoBoingo;http://yro.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=6783079&cid=48870089
986959;1421879709;assbot;Silk Road 2.0 Deputy Arrested - Slashdot ... ( http://bit.ly/1yIaQNK )
986960;1421879730;mircea_popescu;!rate felipelalli -1 has a very strange idea of when it's time to talk.
986961;1421879730;assbot;Request successful, get your OTP: http://w.b-a.link/otp/6fdd3a9db37207a4
986962;1421879753;mircea_popescu;!v assbot:mircea_popescu.rate.felipelalli.-1:ce71215acbced2ee28e23af75dd7b767e6314f260038f4c916a1aa81cb263c6e
986963;1421879753;assbot;Successfully added a rating of -1 for felipelalli with note: has a very strange idea of when it's time to talk.
986964;1421879806;BingoBoingo;!v assbot:BingoBoingo.unrate.felipelalli:a27e904686bb93b6243af0b032d1e4e7c383eb1d052a8ad3e800080a8a0085c2
986965;1421879806;assbot;Successfully unrated felipelalli
986966;1421879889;mircea_popescu;uh this log. so yesterday^H^H^H^ earlier today ben_vulpes is all like "god i love you guys". then i get all "wtf is this derp thinking, giving usgavin room to pretend for ?" and next line in log, sure enough...
986967;1421879892;mats;brutal
986968;1421879905;mircea_popescu;clearly idiots seldom differ.
986969;1421879998;*;mircea_popescu waves at Pierre_Rochard 
986970;1421880027;*;Pierre_Rochard waves back
986971;1421880068;BingoBoingo;Oh, and CoinDesk finally got to a story on the arrest, but they instead cover the FBI Press Release.
986972;1421880072;mircea_popescu;I don�t want the developers setting it every two months, but I dont� see a way to make fee revenue per block drive it (because the real-world bitcoin exchange rate is so variable) << this is particularly fucking stupid
986973;1421880081;BingoBoingo;"The arrest of Mr. Farrell is proof that federal law enforcement continues its efforts to root out those who subvert the Internet to set up black markets for illegal goods." << STFU
986974;1421880086;mircea_popescu;it was discussed earlier with jurov, but of course noobs don't read logs.
986975;1421880223;Pierre_Rochard;mircea_popescu: I was interested in hearing gavin defend tx fee elasticity, not much else
986976;1421880261;Pierre_Rochard;mircea_popescu: because I think the tx fee is inelastic to the point that it’s doubtful the limit will ever be raised
986977;1421880274;mircea_popescu;this is in fact a very complex issue.
986978;1421880283;mircea_popescu;i don't know anyone that seriously thinks they have a model on it
986979;1421880311;mircea_popescu;(discounting, of course, frustrated nobodies a la adam back, who are so cocksure they imagine they invented clorophorm)
986980;1421880343;asciilifeform;i, for one, would rather like to see the machine-gun taken away from the baby, and only then contemplate military strategy
986981;1421880347;Pierre_Rochard;mircea_popescu: I agree, the only model is what actually ends up happening. I think the miners will get a taste for that inelasticity and jealously defend it. I think Gavin & co fear that more than anything else
986982;1421880353;mircea_popescu;to some degree the demand for gold was elastic, and this is trivially proven by the fact that while industrial revolution europe used gold, china opf the time used silver.
986983;1421880362;mircea_popescu;so there DOES exist some elasticity in the monetary good.
986984;1421880370;mircea_popescu;now, how exactly it works... fouquet knows.
986985;1421880376;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: Well, maybe he accidentally invented it cleaning. I mean bleach disinfects and ETOH disinfects. Maybe he really wanted to get his piss dribblings off of the bathroom tile?
986986;1421880386;mircea_popescu;surely.
986987;1421880409;Pierre_Rochard;gold and silver are much, much closer substitutes than bitcoin and, say, litecoin or coinbase.
986988;1421880425;mircea_popescu;Pierre_Rochard you know, the "say the word, nodes ready, miners ready within a recompile" messages i got so far and that keep piling in...
986989;1421880431;mircea_popescu;it's not a matter of some distant future.
986990;1421880457;mircea_popescu;Pierre_Rochard for each other you mean ?
986991;1421880472;mircea_popescu;surely. and for that matter piss-poor models for bitcoin. that example is easily more misleading than useful.
986992;1421880481;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: this re: the merge-mining thing ?
986993;1421880487;mircea_popescu;but in point of fact the "monetary pholgiston" so to call the idealised thing is very poorly understood.
986994;1421880491;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 1382 @ 0.00084935 = 1.1738 BTC [+] {5} 
986995;1421880492;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform yes.
986996;1421880519;danielpbarron;!rate gavinandresen -5 okey dokey, we have a fundamental difference of opinion on where the project should go.
986997;1421880519;assbot;Request successful, get your OTP: http://w.b-a.link/otp/b12856e52ed5e601
986998;1421880552;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 2500 @ 0.00085 = 2.125 BTC [+]
986999;1421880555;mircea_popescu;lol. "k guise, i guess we have a fundamental difference of opinion about this here wide screen tv i stole from your place"
987000;1421880567;STRML;thanks. never had a need for a cloak before but since somebody here ddos'd my bouncer I figure it's a good idea
987001;1421880569;mircea_popescu;i think gavin will make a fortune in gangsta rap
987002;1421880583;mircea_popescu;STRML it is, but you gotta apply it first.
987003;1421880636;STRML;Yeah. Will have to configure on the bouncer. Thanks for the headsup
987004;1421880663;danielpbarron;!v assbot:danielpbarron.rate.gavinandresen.-5:88e38a0d3bacd012bbf85a347fd6114b79fbbf53301867d2bb5ecfc3aea36d67
987005;1421880663;assbot;Successfully added a rating of -5 for gavinandresen with note: okey dokey, we have a fundamental difference of opinion on where the project should go.
987006;1421880720;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform: this gets old, it does. << quite old.
987007;1421880783;mircea_popescu;Pierre_Rochard: not to mention, the transaction fee _today_ is $0.02. Where is every man woman and child? Why are they not taking advantage of this amazing opportunity?? << because, the argument goes, they're so farsighted into the future, this children of the paycheck loan, these african seasonal hunters, that the POTENTIAL of it costing maybe more tomorrow perhaps is inhibiting them.
987008;1421880783;assbot;AMAZING COMPANY!
987009;1421880799;mircea_popescu;like you know, if bread in your african village is 5 dollars a loaf, and there's cake at 2 cents, you won't buy any cake.
987010;1421880815;mircea_popescu;becase IT IS POSSIBLE that in YEARS!!!! it may go as high as i dunno, 5cents ? a whole quarter ?
987011;1421880854;mircea_popescu;so you're spending 100 cakes per loaf of bread instead. because this is "economics" as understood by "expert economists" : oleg andreev, gavin assassinsen, that nytimes thoctchke what's his name
987012;1421880858;mircea_popescu;paul kruger
987013;1421880859;mircea_popescu;and so on.
987014;1421881011;asciilifeform;!rate gavinandresen -1 with note: pathetic usg muppet. tirelessly schemes to zimbabweize bitcoin in the name of 'inclusion.'
987015;1421881011;assbot;Request successful, get your OTP: http://w.b-a.link/otp/e4aaf8d13f6ba47e
987016;1421881016;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform: Pierre_Rochard: there is nothing, and good reason to think there cannot be, anything which even rises to the level of an ersatz. << in economics, substitute is a functional substitute not a logical substitute. in this sense, your feet are a substitute for a train.
987017;1421881050;asciilifeform;!v assbot:asciilifeform.rate.gavinandresen.-1:4b3f2513a1f08c4238511a84a1561981b97b4070e6ed35638c5ac133dbfeff10
987018;1421881050;assbot;Successfully added a rating of -1 for gavinandresen with note: with note: pathetic usg muppet. tirelessly schemes to zimbabweize bitcoin in the name of 'inclusion.'
987019;1421881061;mircea_popescu;an usg education is an economic substitute of an actual education, and margerine is an economic substitute for butter.
987020;1421881134;xanthyos;is the price of bitcoin moving up today a response to gavin being dissed in assets?
987021;1421881144;asciilifeform;and, i suppose, vacuum is a substitute for air. for a spell, anyway.
987022;1421881150;mircea_popescu;price answers no one.
987023;1421881150;BingoBoingo;;;ticker --market all
987024;1421881158;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform you got it.
987025;1421881163;gribble;Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 227.97, vol: 21464.50503247 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 224.003, vol: 16571.37793 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 228.92, vol: 52253.10725355 | CampBX BTCUSD last: 229.5, vol: 17.07242792 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 226.822356, vol: 158884.46680000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 224.485, vol: 47.35145823 | Bitcoin-Central BTCUSD last: 220.704000383, vol: 131.15571843 | Volume-weighted last (1 more message)
987026;1421881242;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform you know that scammer creativity analysis actually sounds very like soviet police doctrine, on meditation. didja get it out of some book ?
987027;1421881256;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: it's straight out of my arse.
987028;1421881260;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: spur of the moment.
987029;1421881263;Adlai;is the asswot online yet? as in, visible from the www?
987030;1421881268;mircea_popescu;i guess we can say you're a russian thinker.
987031;1421881275;*;asciilifeform guilty as charged
987032;1421881286;mircea_popescu;Adlai there are jsons. i am thinking about putting a job up for site-ification of those outputs.
987033;1421881302;kakobrekla;not only jsons
987034;1421881312;mircea_popescu;oh ?
987035;1421881314;kakobrekla;!gettrust assbot
987036;1421881316;assbot;Trust relationship from user kakobrekla to user assbot: Level 1: 1, Level 2: 11 via 6 connections. | http://w.b-a.link/trust/kakobrekla/assbot | http://w.b-a.link/user/assbot
987037;1421881328;kakobrekla;is this not a web page online: http://w.b-a.link/user/assbot
987038;1421881329;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1yIdxik )
987039;1421881339;davout;kakobrekla: scam
987040;1421881342;kakobrekla;(and its not json, json is with /json/)
987041;1421881342;mircea_popescu;but...trhey are jsons ?
987042;1421881343;Adlai;kakobrekla: had you waited a moment, you could've earned a pretty penny!
987043;1421881355;Adlai;oh but yes this is jsons
987044;1421881356;asciilifeform;kakobrekla: perfectly fine www page.
987045;1421881374;kakobrekla;ok
987046;1421881377;mircea_popescu;i am not disputing it is a webpage!
987047;1421881379;davout;kakobrekla: this looks like a dump of a php array, sort if dictionary, or maybe an array, depending on the amounts of "="
987048;1421881392;asciilifeform;kakobrekla: looks great straight from 'curl'.
987049;1421881397;mircea_popescu;that it does.
987050;1421881398;asciilifeform;as www pages ought to.
987051;1421881402;mircea_popescu;curl, however, does not count as "web"
987052;1421881408;asciilifeform;ditto in 'emacs'.
987053;1421881410;*;Adlai isn't sure what to make of this, but it's good enough for him
987054;1421881414;asciilifeform;sureitdoes.
987055;1421881420;davout;it can't be a web page, it has no google analytics
987056;1421881434;mircea_popescu;hory shit it's going to be th ecase nobody actually wants a PROPER web page ?!
987057;1421881449;kakobrekla;anyway, if you want a neater interface, add /json/ on end of url , decode and voila
987058;1421881466;mircea_popescu;where are the retarded bois going to mix cvasi azure with moss green and gold!
987059;1421881479;davout;!up STRML
987060;1421881484;BingoBoingo;davout: Qntra doesn't have google anal-y-tics either
987061;1421881488;mircea_popescu;STRML now it worked right
987062;1421881496;STRML;Great
987063;1421881498;STRML;SASL is the key there
987064;1421881505;mircea_popescu;one of yes
987065;1421881557;mats;anyone have an idea wut filesystem i should use with a SSD?
987066;1421881562;davout;BingoBoingo: i am disappoint
987067;1421881574;mircea_popescu;mats whatever your os likes ?
987068;1421881614;asciilifeform;mats: depends, do you intend to write to it ?
987069;1421881619;mats;i have read that many filesystems have behavior that is unkind to to writes
987070;1421881623;mats;yes
987071;1421881631;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes: i can't spot *every* scam << o wow, do we get the sad, blood splattered, tear imbibed story of it ?
987072;1421881636;asciilifeform;mats: often ?
987073;1421881644;BingoBoingo;davout: We do quantcast instead so everyone can see our anals https://www.quantcast.com/qntra.net
987074;1421881645;assbot;                  Qntra.net Traffic and Demographic Statistics by Quantcast                   ... ( http://bit.ly/1G33Fky )
987075;1421881657;mats;nah, just a dev machine
987076;1421881674;BingoBoingo;mats: Anything wrong with UFS?
987077;1421881690;mircea_popescu;it's not likely to make a difference mats. hdds are hceap enough.
987078;1421881721;asciilifeform;mats: each block (extant eeproms often have block sizes of 4k) can be erased/written 10-100,000 times.
987079;1421881735;asciilifeform;mats: the newer/denser the eeprom, the fewer.
987080;1421881737;mats;mmkay. idk anything about filesystems besides what i read in "Practical Filesystem Design"
987081;1421881741;BingoBoingo;lulz https://twitter.com/ErrataRob/status/558037792568410112
987082;1421881743;assbot;Today in Silk Road proceedings, prosecution showed that the Dread Pirate Roberts private PGP key was saved on Ulbricht's computer.
987083;1421881744;davout;BingoBoingo: is that a different flavour of the same thing or is that fundamentally different?
987084;1421881752;asciilifeform;mats: there is generally a 'write-levelling' microcontroller in there, that tries to 'spread the pain'
987085;1421881756;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo that's pretty decent proof.
987086;1421881789;asciilifeform;mats: it generally is not aware of filesystem, but only of zero/nonzero blocks.
987087;1421881813;BingoBoingo;davout: This one differs in quantcast showing EVERYONE the visitors who happen to load quantcast junk while visiting your page
987088;1421881823;mircea_popescu;ahahaha wait, wait. so gavin actually sprouted the ninjashogun line re b-a "conversation quality" ?!
987089;1421881828;mircea_popescu;gawds have mercy.
987090;1421881835;mircea_popescu;why must everything be so funny ?
987091;1421881839;asciilifeform;mats: the only reliable heuristic i know of is that a large proportion of null blocks will prolong, somewhat, the life of the device
987092;1421881839;STRML;generally you don't have to worry about running out of writes on most modern SSDs
987093;1421881857;asciilifeform;STRML: horseshit
987094;1421881859;STRML;so long are you're not running TLC NAND you're fine for a good long time, and even if you are, a pretty reasonable amount of time under most loads
987095;1421881879;STRML;not horseshit, for typical consumer use it's fine. For long-term data storage or server use, it's not
987096;1421881889;STRML;which is why they sell server SSDs for a higher price.
987097;1421881904;mats;asciilifeform: right. people more technically proficient than i have suggested 'btrfs' instead of ext4, but i suppose SSDs will drop in price quickly enough for me to not care
987098;1421881908;undata;"This drive rated to over 10000 Facebook page loads!"
987099;1421881923;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xez2n371MTo
987100;1421881925;assbot;The Bottle Deposit - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1yIeSWp )
987101;1421881938;kakobrekla;cosumer grade ssd. .. the controller will die first.
987102;1421882004;STRML;Best way to prolong SSD life is to keep a decent amount of free space on it so TRIM can work its magic
987103;1421882034;STRML;also helps if can afford to turn off swap, and turn off hibernate.
987104;1421882042;BingoBoingo;mats: From what I've read on btrfs it seems to be mostly a multi drive arrangement beast that apes at being ZFS while failing on more edge cases
987105;1421882081;mircea_popescu;no, srsly, kakobrekla has it. i've seen more controller failures than anything. actually out of cycles deaths are so rare i don't recall one.
987106;1421882094;mircea_popescu;shitty turdware in the chip more likely to be the culprit in any case.
987107;1421882152;mats;ic
987108;1421882169;*;mats dials up swap to 8gb
987109;1421882170;mircea_popescu;and by the time it's out of cycles, that drive has seen petabytes worth of traffic. the cost of 1 petabyte of pipe exceeds the cost of the drive many times over
987110;1421882409;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes: contains "fix issue" buttons << lol this sounds like early chinese factory automation
987111;1421882804;mircea_popescu;davout: MAH HARICUT IS SIKRIT BZNS << honestly i had no idea it's a haircut. i had imagined it's simply whatever's left once the neighbours are done cutting their hedges.
987112;1421882855;davout;har
987113;1421882882;mircea_popescu;:p
987114;1421882957;mircea_popescu;davout: justusranvier: in your article you shouldn't be reasoning on the cost of including a transaction in a block as (cost of one block / number of transactions) but you should reason on the marginal cost of adding a transaction to an already existing block that i'm currently mining << quite
987115;1421882987;mircea_popescu;and that doesn't actually even begin to address the (unrelated) problem with "infinite blocks", which is market destruction out and out.
987116;1421883022;mircea_popescu;somehow the idea that you can get "just as good food and service" no matter how cheap a restaurant meal gets, like say a cent, or 1/1000th of a cent, is directly stupid to people.
987117;1421883069;mircea_popescu;but the notion that mining will still work no matter how badly the incentive structure gets ruined, because somehow mining is a god given gift / universal service obligation of nature to man doesn't.
987118;1421883092;davout;yes
987119;1421883121;asciilifeform;the cost of 1 petabyte of pipe exceeds the cost of the drive many times over << lol, wai, wat ???
987120;1421883130;asciilifeform;if it all comes from the net - sure
987121;1421883134;mircea_popescu;guess what : mining is a marginal business as it is, and exactly the problems that ruined the western textile industry in your parent's lifetime can and will, if given a chance, ruin bitconi.,
987122;1421883141;davout;i think the idea of a one time bump of the block-size limit is actually much less braindamaged than the perpetual increase approach or infinite size that are pure folly
987123;1421883145;asciilifeform;if you're folding proteins - not so much
987124;1421883150;mircea_popescu;in point of fact, the industrial revolution was started by, and driven by, the textile industry.
987125;1421883171;mircea_popescu;anyone that's not read buffett's post mortem on that venture, once "block size was removed", really has no business participating in this conversation.
987126;1421883187;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform true true.
987127;1421883199;jurov;mats and avoid trim mount option, run fstrim every day or so instead
987128;1421883224;mircea_popescu;davout it's really a very complex problem, "what to do".
987129;1421883263;mats;jurov: ok thanks, will look into it
987130;1421883275;mircea_popescu;obviously, a scenario where block congestion is a real problem may be constructed. it may even, in principle happen.
987131;1421883281;davout;mircea_popescu: when in doubt, make a ruby framework
987132;1421883317;mircea_popescu;but in this sense, a scenario where gavin has gay sex with midgets can also be constructed. so let's put him in prison for it,
987133;1421883323;mircea_popescu;because maybe it's against the law.
987134;1421883378;mircea_popescu;davout: i'm more of classical music and jazz guy << i knew there was a reason i liked you!
987135;1421883449;mats;anyone has warez of letters to shareholders 65-77?
987136;1421883562;mircea_popescu;there was that site had the lot of em
987137;1421883788;mircea_popescu;mats oh i see what you mean o.O
987138;1421883908;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28200 @ 0.00049947 = 14.0851 BTC [-]
987139;1421883956;mircea_popescu;http://www.wikihow.com/Contact-Warren-Buffett << this is like the lulziest shit ever
987140;1421883958;assbot;4 Ways to Contact Warren Buffett - wikiHow ... ( http://bit.ly/1Gxyba7 )
987141;1421883970;mircea_popescu;"how to survive as a moron : wikihow!"
987142;1421884152;mircea_popescu;"<gavinandresen> My point is the point of Bitcoin is I can make a transaction to anybody in the world" << uhh.... if this is the point of bitcoin then bitcoin has at all points been so far offpoint it's a wonder it's still here.
987143;1421884161;mircea_popescu;this is r/buttcoin/ level understanding of bitcoin, for srs.
987144;1421884264;jurov;https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/2t4ml5/i_live_in_russia_my_family_is_in_us_heres_our/ << related. also highlighted on r/buttcoin
987145;1421884268;assbot;I live in Russia & my family is in U.S. here's our experience using Bitcoin for remittance. : Bitcoin ... ( http://bit.ly/1Gxzu93 )
987146;1421884431;jurov;i start grasping asciilifeform's problems with btc, too
987147;1421884436;mircea_popescu;jurov for what it's worth, here's my experience with bitcoin remittances : i sent btc to otc correspondents, ordered wires sent out to the hk account of my local agent, who has paid me dollars, in cash, in argentina. the entire process took less than what it takes to get a letter of credit, and significantly less than what international trade normally settles in.
987148;1421884451;mircea_popescu;i could, if i were so inclined, finance a nuclear programme or pay for some murders in this manner.
987149;1421884477;mircea_popescu;and exactly nobody would ever know, exactly how the foregoing episode is known specifically and exclusively because i chose to share it.
987150;1421884490;jurov;i gather if alf received such wires, they'd ship him straight to azkaban
987151;1421884491;mircea_popescu;so, spare me the reddit nonsense. bitcoin, money, and good stuff aren't for poor people.
987152;1421884495;asciilifeform;jurov: to be fair, the 'problems' i have all stem from the fact of being paid, and having expenses in, fiat.
987153;1421884521;asciilifeform;jurov: and not merely any fiat, but electronic, 'banked' bezzlars.
987154;1421884573;asciilifeform;jurov: nothing keeps me from receiving or sending wires, but anything that goes in - is insta-taxable
987155;1421884582;mircea_popescu;that said, remittances in the us are a total nightmare, because a) the us is principally insane and b) the entrenched interests of current processors work against the customers.
987156;1421884593;asciilifeform;jurov: and, if above a certain amount (in or out) 'nice folks' will arrive with pointed questions.
987157;1421884602;mircea_popescu;so for people needing a hundred bucks moved, it's hell on earth.
987158;1421884618;thestringpuller;asciilifeform: pay for your drugs with cash :P
987159;1421884625;asciilifeform;thestringpuller: cash found where?
987160;1421884636;mircea_popescu;What are more safe alternatives in U.S. to fix our problem? (We can't afford losing our last $50) << this.
987161;1421884643;asciilifeform;thestringpuller: may as well become counterfeiter if doing dope ?
987162;1421884644;thestringpuller;slowly take out x cash of bank every week
987163;1421884649;thestringpuller;until you have stack of benji's
987164;1421884651;mircea_popescu;people whose budget is $50 have NO BUSINESS trying to maintain trading networks that span continents.
987165;1421884653;mircea_popescu;they just don't.
987166;1421884716;mircea_popescu;wtf is this, derpy guy going to hansa agent in riga cca 1315, "hello this is my very valuable small river rock, how can i send it to london ???"
987167;1421884742;asciilifeform;thestringpuller: you remind me of a legend, possibly soviet, regarding a fellow who took a part home from the factory every day for half a century, built airplane.
987168;1421884759;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform this is a johny cash song
987169;1421884772;mircea_popescu;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sIuo0KIqD_E
987170;1421884774;assbot;johnny cash-one piece at a time - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1wpgKxq )
987171;1421884847;asciilifeform;lol!
987172;1421884925;mod6;great song
987173;1421884928;mircea_popescu;mhm
987174;1421885103;asciilifeform;people whose budget is $50 have NO BUSINESS... << anyone have an idea of what hawaladars do re: minimal volumes ?
987175;1421885110;asciilifeform;i bet they happily move the 50.
987176;1421885117;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform yes. they made women and children dependent on a man.
987177;1421885146;asciilifeform;wai, wat, hawaladars ?
987178;1421885147;mircea_popescu;ie, "offchain txn/poorcoin"
987179;1421885149;asciilifeform;aha
987180;1421885199;asciilifeform;i was specifically curious re: what a hawaladar in, e.g., usa, or eu, would charge to move 50 usd.
987181;1421885207;asciilifeform;as a kind of baseline.
987182;1421885222;mircea_popescu;he won't charge anything. how did the quote go,
987183;1421885243;mircea_popescu;"Some day, and that day may never come, I will call upon you to do a service for me. But until that day, consider this justice a gift on my daughter's wedding day."
987184;1421885248;mircea_popescu;there. that's the charge on 50 bux.
987185;1421885250;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 41247 @ 0.00049243 = 20.3113 BTC [-]
987186;1421885256;asciilifeform;aha
987187;1421885259;asciilifeform;'gifteconomy'
987188;1421885285;mircea_popescu;people who imagine endlessness is a natural phenomena need to spend less time cooped up in their rooms, dreaming up shit.
987189;1421885329;asciilifeform;to folks unacquainted with basic physics, mechanization gives a convincing illusion of 'phree stuff 4ever'
987190;1421885334;mircea_popescu;right.
987191;1421885355;asciilifeform;because all you need is, would appear to be, energy, and everybody knows that it comes from the mains socket.
987192;1421885368;asciilifeform;because god willed it.
987193;1421885388;mircea_popescu;and cryptographic security oozes out of the ether and miners are just this abstraction getting in the way of the ooze.
987194;1421885426;mircea_popescu;it will fill any shape and any volume we draw for it. because it must. because... god willed it!
987195;1421885438;asciilifeform;more generally, when confronted with the mechanical 'guts' of something, this type of person will answer 'get this away from me, it is unclean'
987196;1421885439;mircea_popescu;"i have never seen it do anything else before" and "who could have predicted"
987197;1421885443;mircea_popescu;apprentice fucking magicians.
987198;1421885461;mircea_popescu;where's that great disney cartoon of gavin & co
987199;1421885475;asciilifeform;'sorcerer's apprentice' ?
987200;1421885486;mircea_popescu;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T8gOh0wEgLg
987201;1421885487;assbot;YouTube   Walt Disney   Fantasia   Mickey The Sorcerer's Apprentice - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1GxFy1j )
987202;1421885489;mircea_popescu;there. yep.
987203;1421885516;mircea_popescu;only thing missing being, mickey doesn't put on the sorcerer's hat to go to some conference
987204;1421885525;asciilifeform;!s the lifeboat mutiny
987205;1421885526;assbot;0 results for 'the lifeboat mutiny' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=the+lifeboat+mutiny
987206;1421885701;asciilifeform;http://www.genericradio.com/show.php?id=3e13162d58d2fe5c << ancient radio play based on the tale (which i cannot at present find)
987207;1421885704;assbot;GENERIC RADIO WORKSHOP OTR SCRIPT: X Minus One ... ( http://bit.ly/1GxGoLr )
987208;1421885913;BingoBoingo;<asciilifeform> to folks unacquainted with basic physics, mechanization gives a convincing illusion of 'phree stuff 4ever' << Until you have to get Santino ready for an open casket funeral after catching every bullet at the tollboth.
987209;1421885954;asciilifeform;falling is flying until splat, yes, elementarily.
987210;1421885982;BingoBoingo;And one rarely has much choice in the splat
987211;1421886004;asciilifeform;choice, if any, was when jumping.
987212;1421886006;mats;re: previous SSD discussion (and many others), i don't mean to offend if i didn't specifically respond to you. i just had nothing good to say, but rest assured you have not been ignored
987213;1421886019;thestringpuller;i want moar ssds
987214;1421886031;thestringpuller;Put all the games on SSDs. no load time. heaven.
987215;1421886038;asciilifeform;mats: basic takehome lesson re: ssd is that virtually everything coming out the vendors' mouths is a lie
987216;1421886042;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21850 @ 0.00049243 = 10.7596 BTC [-]
987217;1421886058;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: Well on the way down they might try to contort themself to leave a particular shape of splat.
987218;1421886066;mircea_popescu;mats i dunno but i think silence is no way to offend
987219;1421886071;asciilifeform;mats: if application is safety-critical, buy a series of samples and test to destruction.
987220;1421886106;BingoBoingo;!up OmegaOne
987221;1421886110;OmegaOne;hi
987222;1421886110;mats;is not. tryna bring some life to an old piece of shit
987223;1421886137;asciilifeform;mats: then happily buy. back up periodically to actual disk.
987224;1421886160;OmegaOne;hi
987225;1421886178;mircea_popescu;once's enough OmegaOne. what brings you here ?
987226;1421886192;mats;mircea_popescu: ensuring others have room to save face is one of my varied sins
987227;1421886192;OmegaOne;How can i get rich off of bitcoin?
987228;1421886211;mircea_popescu;easiest way to make a small fortune in bitcoin
987229;1421886215;mircea_popescu;is to start with a large one.
987230;1421886229;OmegaOne;how much is $1000 worth in bitcoin land
987231;1421886241;mats;;;calc 1000/[market --last]
987232;1421886241;gribble;Error: The "Market" plugin is loaded, but there is no command named "--last" in it.  Try "list Market" to see the commands in the "Market" plugin.
987233;1421886259;mats;;;calc 1000/[ticker --last]
987234;1421886260;gribble;4.39290107187
987235;1421886262;BingoBoingo;;;calc 1000/5000
987236;1421886262;gribble;0.2
987237;1421886294;BingoBoingo;OmegaOne: roughly a fifth of a bitcoin at my current sell price
987238;1421886309;asciilifeform;meowmix is back ?!
987239;1421886320;OmegaOne;!s meowmix
987240;1421886321;assbot;22 results for 'meowmix' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=meowmix
987241;1421886370;OmegaOne;hi
987242;1421886384;mats;OmegaOne: read logs (see topic) and get a cloak
987243;1421886391;asciilifeform;!down OmegaOne
987244;1421886482;BingoBoingo;http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/2t6ksp/coinbase_just_made_tax_accounting_unnecessary/cnw7j3f
987245;1421886483;assbot;ralphington comments on Coinbase Just Made Tax Accounting Unnecessary! ... ( http://bit.ly/1GxJPBP )
987246;1421887106;BingoBoingo;https://www.reddit.com/r/Buttcoin/comments/2t7nsb/i_grew_a_neckbeard_reading_this_bitcoin/
987247;1421887108;assbot;I grew a neckbeard reading this "Bitcoin Declaration of Sovereignity" (note: Link doesn't go to the actual Bitcoin Foundation) : Buttcoin ... ( http://bit.ly/1AQ4c4y )
987248;1421887110;BingoBoingo;!up pete_dushenski
987249;1421887129;pete_dushenski;cheers!
987250;1421887172;pete_dushenski;since scoopbot even likes davout more than me: http://www.contravex.com/2015/01/22/the-problem-of-digital-identity-or-how-to-circumvent-blockchain-info-2fa-and-e-mail-authorisation/
987251;1421887174;assbot;The problem of digital identity, or how to circumvent Blockchain.info 2FA and e-mail authorisation | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski ... ( http://bit.ly/1AQ4s3N )
987252;1421887206;pete_dushenski;yet another chapter in the "who could've predicted" chronicle
987253;1421887239;pete_dushenski;bc.i will just change your e-mail if you ask nicely
987254;1421887277;mircea_popescu;wut /1
987255;1421887296;mircea_popescu;lol you just social engineered blockchain.info ?
987256;1421887319;pete_dushenski;fuck, not even intentionally
987257;1421887320;pete_dushenski;but ya
987258;1421887350;mircea_popescu;well... best business practices security an' errything.
987259;1421887356;pete_dushenski;they actually just added this e-mail auth thing outta nowhere
987260;1421887369;mircea_popescu;at least you don't log in by filming your face
987261;1421887372;pete_dushenski;and it turns out that it created a loophole the size of texas
987262;1421887386;pete_dushenski;thumbprint!
987263;1421887420;BingoBoingo;"Wallet Inspektor" https://bitcoinos.org/what-is-bitcoinos/
987264;1421887421;assbot;What is BitcoinOS? | BitcoinOS ... ( http://bit.ly/1GxNQ9k )
987265;1421887440;pete_dushenski;if an e-mail and pwd were phishing or keylogged, the attacker just has to submit a form, wait two weeks, and voila!
987266;1421887443;asciilifeform;yet another 'os'
987267;1421887450;asciilifeform;i find these especially infuriating.
987268;1421887452;pete_dushenski;s/phishing/phised
987269;1421887511;pete_dushenski;phished* good grief
987270;1421887555;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: especially when there is no *BSD/kLinux to counter all of these Distro/k*BSD
987271;1421887607;kakobrekla;speaking of bc.info their page is showing 'cloudflare error 522' for more than an hour to me
987272;1421887623;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: i don't care what it was made of, if you did not write an os, you did not write an os.
987273;1421887635;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: why this peculiar dick-pulling, why pretend.
987274;1421887670;undata;asciilifeform: words, you can just tweet them
987275;1421887685;undata;then they get retweeted you see, and are true
987276;1421887689;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: Sure. I'm just saying why don't they pretend better. Instead of throwing on fake spoilers and calling a car customer, this is the "I put a sticker on it" sort of effort.
987277;1421887690;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: and 'write an os', per the barest technical definition, is not high science; it's a standard 'boy scout badge' in school.
987278;1421887746;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform> BingoBoingo: and 'write an os', per the barest technical definition, is not high science; it's a standard 'boy scout badge' in school. << You have an absurdly gross overestimation of the standards for Boyscout badges.
987279;1421887751;undata;asciilifeform: web devs have the idea that making something == cobbling together open source with tape, the less tape the better, and voila, app
987280;1421887788;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: i'm speaking as someone who went in for a 'computer science' diploma at an entirely unremarkable american uni.
987281;1421887811;BingoBoingo;http://meritbadge.org/wiki/index.php/Computers << I am speaking as person who achieved computers merit badge
987282;1421887813;assbot;Computers - MeritBadgeDotOrg ... ( http://bit.ly/1GxOYda )
987283;1421887830;asciilifeform;wasn't thinking of literal boyscouts, no (i know precious little about them)
987284;1421887847;BingoBoingo;requirements now actually seem harder now than when I achieved it.
987285;1421887976;undata;the whole culture is full of fakers; why the surprise at this category of them?
987286;1421887981;BingoBoingo;Find out about three career opportunities in the computer industry. Pick one and find out the education, training, and experience required for this profession. Discuss this with your counselor, and explain why this profession might interest you. Report what you learn to your counselor. << Doing this one now I'd pick curmudeon as a profession, and ask why writing OS is not a requirement.
987287;1421888015;pete_dushenski;kakobrekla "schedule maintenance"
987288;1421888020;undata;this social media thing I think has created the notion that identity is a matter of self-definition
987289;1421888022;undata;rather than reputation
987290;1421888024;thestringpuller;o look a pete_dushenski
987291;1421888035;undata;leading to the mind-rot of multitudes
987292;1421888069;pete_dushenski;heya stringy
987293;1421888105;pete_dushenski;undata it seems to me that the popularity of sm is an effect rather than a cause
987294;1421888116;undata;pete_dushenski: self-reinforcing though
987295;1421888122;undata;there's a reward associated with the behavior
987296;1421888126;undata;retweets, w/e
987297;1421888127;pete_dushenski;the mind-rot has been baking in for a couple of decades
987298;1421888134;undata;I agree
987299;1421888152;pete_dushenski;that's just the cleaving of importance from "importance"
987300;1421888171;pete_dushenski;like russia from the usa
987301;1421888191;pete_dushenski;russia turns down would-be bond-buyers in droves
987302;1421888199;pete_dushenski;us media reports that "bond sale fails"
987303;1421888299;undata;there's something there but I'm not cutting to the root of it
987304;1421888333;undata;it seems alien to me that words mean precisely dick in the present
987305;1421888350;pete_dushenski;think of it as word inflation
987306;1421888360;pete_dushenski;and it's every bit as toxic as fiat inflation
987307;1421888372;pete_dushenski;creates all kinds of puffed up balloons
987308;1421888374;undata;right, the erosion of measures of value could very well fuck thinking itself which leads to the abovementioned
987309;1421888406;pete_dushenski;quite so.
987310;1421888441;pete_dushenski;when there are no barriers to entry, people get really rather confused
987311;1421888480;pete_dushenski;in response, they cling to whatever presents itself, quite undiscriminatingly
987312;1421888512;pete_dushenski;so it's a markov chain going from shiny toy to shiny app to shiny turd
987313;1421888591;pete_dushenski;as to "words meaning zero" it's more that we're privy, if not downright inundated, with words from people who don't know how to use them
987314;1421888618;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: Boy Scout badges in a lot of ways represent American failducation, shit offered as sausage because cylindrical phenomenon.
987315;1421888641;pete_dushenski;our wots can be so much larger than we can biologically manage that the signal is drowned out by the noise
987316;1421888683;pete_dushenski;try spending your days on newspaper websites reading about "terrorism" and "celerities" and see if your noodle doesn't turn to mush
987317;1421888722;pete_dushenski;selective filtering is completely mandatory for a functioning brain, if not in fact the best definition thereof
987318;1421888748;mircea_popescu;<BingoBoingo> asciilifeform [..] << You have an absurdly gross overestimation of the standards for Boyscout badges << i dunno dude, i never got the "all girlscout nookies" one.
987319;1421888748;BingoBoingo;<pete_dushenski> try spending your days on newspaper websites reading about "terrorism" and "celerities" and see if your noodle doesn't turn to mush << Helps if you pickle it with ETOH aforehand for preservation.
987320;1421888754;mircea_popescu;some are fucking hard.
987321;1421888764;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: see song, 'be prepared', tom lehrer
987322;1421888779;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: it contains literally 90% of what i know re: boyscouts.
987323;1421888780;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: That's on the unpublished chart.
987324;1421888815;asciilifeform;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fSwjuz_-yao
987325;1421888817;assbot;Tom Lehrer- Be Prepared - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1GxTjx1 )
987326;1421888860;pete_dushenski;https://twitter.com/HistoricalPics/status/558059008993820674 << 1 point for correctly identifying the laptop on the left
987327;1421888862;assbot;The difference that 25 years makes. http://t.co/Kq9vtUyU82
987328;1421888916;mircea_popescu;<undata> this social media thing I think has created the notion that identity is a matter of self-definition << has little to do with social media tho. it's more an outgrowth of the "civil rights" movement.
987329;1421888973;BingoBoingo;pete_dushenski: https://twitter.com/BBoingo/status/558068856577884160
987330;1421888975;assbot;The difference that 25 years makes. http://t.co/Kq9vtUyU82
987331;1421889028;undata;mircea_popescu: I read your piece recently on how enfranchising all makes for significantly less representation in the society
987332;1421889035;undata;enlightening
987333;1421889070;mircea_popescu;that's the problem, what appears on the surface as doing one thing ends up doing the exact opposite when very complex systems are involved.
987334;1421889092;mircea_popescu;this is known to medical practitioners since forever. russia's newbie statesmen (commies ) stepped in it with extreme regularity
987335;1421889101;mats;http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/nicolas-cage-star-osama-bin-765597
987336;1421889102;assbot;Nicolas Cage to Star in Osama Bin Laden Satire From 'Borat' Director (Exclusive)  - The Hollywood Reporter ... ( http://bit.ly/1GxUGeZ )
987337;1421889106;mircea_popescu;to the point it was pretty much comedic. they didn't TRY to do it. but they did it all the damned time
987338;1421889122;BingoBoingo;Ah /. prolly link-snipped because on chumpatron take http://slashdot.org/story/15/01/21/2052247/jim-blasko-explains-unbreakable-coin-video-2-of-2
987339;1421889123;assbot;Jim Blasko Explains 'Unbreakable Coin'  (Video 2 of 2) - Slashdot ... ( http://bit.ly/1GxUInd )
987340;1421889134;BingoBoingo;^ second day, second turd
987341;1421889223;pete_dushenski;undata mircea_popescu the term for this being, of course, iatrogenics
987342;1421889230;pete_dushenski;"harm caused by the healer"
987343;1421889232;pete_dushenski;see: http://www.contravex.com/2014/12/31/the-search-for-decency-and-the-opposite-of-iatrogenics/
987344;1421889233;assbot;The search for decency and the opposite of iatrogenics | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski ... ( http://bit.ly/1ydPvwk )
987345;1421889302;mircea_popescu;pete_dushenski yeah. taleb also very big on it
987346;1421889604;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: That's a pretty good summary of it. Gotta hide the smokes.
987347;1421889818;BingoBoingo;So... Bunch of girlies are going to destroy their knees this summer http://www.latimes.com/sports/sportsnow/la-sp-sn-womens-world-cup-lawsuit-artificial-turf-20150121-story.html
987348;1421889819;assbot;Women&apos;s World Cup to go forward on artificial turf - LA Times ... ( http://bit.ly/1GxXKaZ )
987349;1421890248;mircea_popescu;!up CoraCrisT
987350;1421890258;CoraCrisT;hey guys!
987351;1421890298;kakobrekla;hello
987352;1421890334;mircea_popescu;sup.
987353;1421890406;CoraCrisT;enjoying myself with gavin`s wannabee reformed theology
987354;1421890419;CoraCrisT;readin` the logs..
987355;1421890425;mircea_popescu;lol that's one way to put it
987356;1421890435;CoraCrisT;i`m still amazed
987357;1421890482;CoraCrisT;too bad he left so early..
987358;1421890687;CoraCrisT;so Kim Kardashian is publishing her new book/photo album called Selfie or Selfish...  Amazon is selling a book with Satoshi`s posts from bitcointalk and gavin wants to hard fork bitcoin...
987359;1421890703;CoraCrisT;true history..
987360;1421890781;BingoBoingo;!b 2
987361;1421890781;assbot;Last 2 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/28K0DHH.txt )
987362;1421890872;mircea_popescu;kim's book i'd buy.
987363;1421890891;mircea_popescu;madonna's book/photo album was pretty hot
987364;1421890896;mircea_popescu;(the one where she fucks naomi campbell)
987365;1421891005;*;CoraCrisT googeling now
987366;1421891188;undata;CoraCrisT: as if we all didnt just
987367;1421891269;mircea_popescu;what, srsly ? that's one of pop culture's most notable artefacts!
987368;1421891342;kakobrekla;hey, you are the pop culture expert!
987369;1421891358;BingoBoingo;God Damn. It won't be until round 4 of the Australian open that a Serena Williams / Alize Cornet rematch is possible.
987370;1421891400;BingoBoingo;Fuck, its worse, round 5, I skipped a round
987371;1421891419;mircea_popescu;that cornet chick's pretty good huh.
987372;1421891427;mircea_popescu;kakobrekla so i am. professional curse.
987373;1421891447;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: Good, but Exceptionally good against Serena specifically.
987374;1421891475;BingoBoingo;Usually when she beats serena she gets promptly knocked out of whatever tournament a round or two later.
987375;1421891506;BingoBoingo;But first she has to make it all of the way to round 5.
987376;1421891657;mircea_popescu;hm
987377;1421891678;*;BingoBoingo doesn't always invest on Forum/Reddit logic, but when I do, I do it from an informed position
987378;1421891699;mircea_popescu;and with a laser.
987379;1421891715;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 5000 @ 0.00085967 = 4.2984 BTC [-] {9} 
987380;1421891740;BingoBoingo;These occasions only happen a few times a year. Why not take whatever scam odds a shady book offers to turn no more than 0.2 BTC into 1 BTC.
987381;1421891769;mircea_popescu;what were the odds ?
987382;1421891816;BingoBoingo;It depends, but usually I win when odds in favor of Serena drop to under multiplying my stake by ten as the payout.
987383;1421891852;BingoBoingo;So far it has been incredibly +Ev for me personally, but dunno how long it will last as serena continues getting old.
987384;1421892058;mircea_popescu;!up bertani_
987385;1421892469;BingoBoingo;O.o nubbins` why aren't you giving us the blow by blow on this drama? https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=930649.msg10232533#msg10232533
987386;1421892470;assbot;Scam Warning: WoodCollector ... ( http://bit.ly/1umOls6 )
987387;1421892780;asciilifeform;satoshi book << i have it.
987388;1421892825;asciilifeform;there is nothing evil in it, and the first page is 'this is public domain material, copy freely' even.
987389;1421892843;asciilifeform;convenient dead tree collection of the material.
987390;1421892865;asciilifeform;the author mostly resisted the temptation to add crud
987391;1421892867;pete_dushenski;i have it too
987392;1421892881;pete_dushenski;foreword by jeff berwick if memory serves
987393;1421892889;ben_vulpes;oh jesus i return
987394;1421892893;pete_dushenski;he of "i'm not going to prison" fame
987395;1421892902;ben_vulpes;undata recommended me an emacs config change that took *hours* to unsnarl
987396;1421892911;ben_vulpes;granted, 'twas my own fault for not unsnarling it more quickly.
987397;1421892926;ben_vulpes;?rate undata -2 fucked my .emacs
987398;1421892926;undata;bwah hah ha
987399;1421892939;undata;w/e you gave into your own tooling lust
987400;1421892948;undata;I was merely a mirror!
987401;1421892953;ben_vulpes;dood there must only be one canonical window manager
987402;1421892955;ben_vulpes;and emacs is not it
987403;1421892970;ben_vulpes;tooling lust << no it's true
987404;1421892993;ben_vulpes;<mircea_popescu> [] i don't know anyone that seriously thinks they have a model on it << severely lacking in the whole conversation
987405;1421893032;asciilifeform;pete_dushenski: i had no idea who. just read as 'some guy'. (skipped.)
987406;1421893059;pete_dushenski;wise
987407;1421893147;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform had a canadian "investment forum" thing
987408;1421893152;BingoBoingo;https://hashtalk.org/topic/29906/what-did-you-do-with-the-initial-ico-resources-investment << WFT'ening http://dpaste.com/2Y9D905
987409;1421893153;assbot;Just a moment... ... ( http://bit.ly/1umOWKq )
987410;1421893154;assbot;dpaste: 2Y9D905 ... ( http://bit.ly/1umOU5h )
987411;1421893172;mircea_popescu;then went nutso with one of the "libertarian island" things which smells a lot like scam.
987412;1421893183;asciilifeform;lol!
987413;1421893194;pete_dushenski;galt's gulch
987414;1421893203;mircea_popescu;http://trilema.com/2014/so-the-dollar-vigilante-scam-ring-is-going-to-jail/
987415;1421893204;assbot;So the Dollar Vigilante scam ring is going to jail. pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.  ... ( http://bit.ly/1umOXOr )
987416;1421893220;asciilifeform;incidentally, this is rather like selling 'superman's cape' sans flight
987417;1421893235;asciilifeform;(the 'galt's gulch' in the book - had an invisibility machine.)
987418;1421893278;mircea_popescu;myeah.
987419;1421893709;BingoBoingo;!up Pierre_Rochard
987420;1421894034;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 2000 @ 0.00083238 = 1.6648 BTC [-] {8} 
987421;1421894094;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 2619 @ 0.00080581 = 2.1104 BTC [-] {8} 
987422;1421894724;BingoBoingo;!up devthedev
987423;1421896571;BingoBoingo;!up felipelalli
987424;1421896800;felipelalli;I just wrote an article about my short experience in Qntra.net / #bitcoin-assets https://yeppudaproductions.wordpress.com/2015/01/22/qntra-net-a-toca-do-coelho/
987425;1421896803;assbot;Qntra.net: a toca do coelho | Yeppuda Productions ... ( http://bit.ly/1zxLfIz )
987426;1421897647;mircea_popescu;!up benjamindees
987427;1421897662;BingoBoingo;http://www.breitbart.com/london/2015/01/21/yes-i-was-a-racist-and-im-mentally-ill-shanley-kane-in-shocking-social-media-meltdown/
987428;1421897663;assbot;'Yes, I was a racist' admits Shanley Kane - Breitbart ... ( http://bit.ly/1JiN3Fi )
987429;1421897715;kakobrekla;translated as "gang of noise" lol
987430;1421897738;mircea_popescu;http://dpaste.com/2Y9D905 << is this like... woodcollector, the "ceo" version ? ?
987431;1421897739;assbot;dpaste: 2Y9D905 ... ( http://bit.ly/1JiNmjp )
987432;1421897741;mircea_popescu;ceocollector
987433;1421897811;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo lol.
987434;1421897841;asciilifeform;http://cryptome.org/2015/01/isc-biowar-kr-cn.pdf (scan) << usg use of bioweapons in kr war. detailed study.
987435;1421897846;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1JiNWOi )
987436;1421897869;BingoBoingo;kakobrekla: But means signal to noise. I assume Mike Hearn forked Google Translate too.
987437;1421897896;mircea_popescu;lol
987438;1421897908;kakobrekla;i like the gang of noise.
987439;1421897949;BingoBoingo;!up felipelalli
987440;1421897964;BingoBoingo;!up decimation
987441;1421897983;decimation;lulzy gavin conversation
987442;1421897995;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo i don't get it. why are we thinking some ex-gf of some failed gofundme capitalist is famous or something ?
987443;1421897995;felipelalli;"gang of noise" makes any sense in English?
987444;1421898002;mircea_popescu;let her grow an ass like kim, make pics and come back.
987445;1421898043;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: She's the one who said something to the effect of Linux community needing to grow the balls to expel Linus or some shit.
987446;1421898066;mircea_popescu;and nobody cared.
987447;1421898067;kakobrekla;felipelalli well its a decent description of things. the name and the article. most people even fail to assemble that.
987448;1421898071;nubbins`;BingoBoingo was out all night
987449;1421898080;nubbins`;didja see where he called a guy a fag?
987450;1421898097;BingoBoingo;nubbins`: Like a cigarette?
987451;1421898108;nubbins`;like a homosexual male
987452;1421898119;felipelalli;kakobrekla: Not sure if it is a compliment, but thank you!
987453;1421898152;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: Well, like ChangeTip she too recieved venture capital for a blog.
987454;1421898157;kakobrekla;if it does not contain "fuck you" its a compliment.
987455;1421898183;BingoBoingo;kakobrekla: Don't higher compliments on this channel normally contain "fuck you"?
987456;1421898183;mircea_popescu;lmao
987457;1421898187;mircea_popescu;wenture capital for a BLOG ?!?!
987458;1421898197;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: Indeed.
987459;1421898200;mircea_popescu;what exactly, to pay the blogspot hosting bill ?
987460;1421898208;kakobrekla;yes but those are different fucks.
987461;1421898245;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: To pay the, worked for a cloud bullshit company, violated the non-compete, and needed merit washed.
987462;1421898246;mircea_popescu;these fucking imbecile children of their imbecile mothers already. oh, college is too hard for you ? let's change the admission criteria! you wanna start a business but you're as dumb as fuckinmg rocks ? that's ok, start a blog instead. you wanna be a hacker too ? fine, fine, just edit some pronouns in other people's githubs.
987463;1421898258;felipelalli;kakobrekla: lol.
987464;1421898258;mircea_popescu;i have no fucking idea why anyone'd put up with it for five minutes.
987465;1421898303;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: And this is why I never got the appeal of 4chan except as distilled in retrospectives though Encyclopedia Dramatica
987466;1421898325;mircea_popescu;i thought ed mostly did lj
987467;1421898372;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: Only at the start. Deviating so far from LJ is why it had a hardfork crisis the coredevs lost.
987468;1421898385;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: The founding of the funded blawg http://blog.ameliagreenhall.com/post/what-it-was-like-to-co-found-model-view-culture-with-shanley-kane
987469;1421898386;assbot;  Amelia Greenhall — What it was like to co-found Model View Culture with Shanley Kane ... ( http://bit.ly/1JiQCeA )
987470;1421898409;mats;a lol.
987471;1421898412;mircea_popescu;ah
987472;1421898425;mircea_popescu;i thought the "coredevs" left because the guy grew up and the girl grew fat
987473;1421898433;mircea_popescu;well, she was always fat, but, whatever.
987474;1421898476;BingoBoingo;The girl was always fat, and weev was in jail. Girl fatlogiced a family and worksafe site then shuttered ED. The id didn't like that.
987475;1421898501;nubbins`;"everyone else is a goat the same age and gender as me"
987476;1421898508;nubbins`;mp i think that is actually burned into my brain now
987477;1421898548;mircea_popescu;anyway, so this entire "abuse", "racism" whatever libertard bullshit / paralegal paralogistic construction is finally reaching that necessary point in its evolution where it mostly consumes itself.
987478;1421898554;mircea_popescu;nubbins` yeah well...
987479;1421898566;decimation;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-01-2015#986212 http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-01-2015#986214 << did 'distinction' strike anyone else as rather arbitrary?
987480;1421898566;assbot;Logged on 21-01-2015 18:11:24; gavinandresen: a soft fork means miners must upgrade, or their blocks will be rejected.
987481;1421898566;assbot;Logged on 21-01-2015 18:11:39; gavinandresen: a hard fork means everybody running a full node must upgrade, or they will be on a different chain
987482;1421898580;BingoBoingo;nubbins`: This is why it is better to be a Ram than a goat. Sure, techinally you are sheep, but who can oppose you when you are angry? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xk1fUzkqwbQ
987483;1421898582;assbot;Angry Ram takes on a 6 ton digger - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1JiRqQP )
987484;1421898605;mircea_popescu;decimation how you mean ?
987485;1421898653;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: for something consuming itself, it's astonishingly alive and kicking.
987486;1421898660;decimation;To my way of thinking, either the protocol is broken or it isn't
987487;1421898669;decimation;whether they want to create it or not, there is a spec
987488;1421898675;mircea_popescu;decimation contrary to what superficially is being claimed, bitcoin really consists of two consensuses.
987489;1421898684;mircea_popescu;one is the consensus that allows for new blocks to be mined.
987490;1421898693;mircea_popescu;the other is the consensus that allows for transactions to be accepted as valid.
987491;1421898694;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: it's more of a forest fire, and will burn until there is nothing to burn.
987492;1421898701;mircea_popescu;these two have a lot of overlap, of course.
987493;1421898703;asciilifeform;or until someone puts it out.
987494;1421898707;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: Ourobourus eating itself as of this year. New in the public discussions of that crowd
987495;1421898721;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform i disagree, myself.
987496;1421898742;decimation;Labeling one consensus as 'hard' and another as 'soft' doesn't seem to be a good use of language
987497;1421898756;mircea_popescu;a fire affects everything, related or not. this is more like cancer : it affects the victim, but not the chasir he sits on or the op fucking them in the ass.
987498;1421898782;mircea_popescu;decimation that is happenstance, arriving from the very haphazard manner in which abstraction works out of the group of power rangers
987499;1421898796;mircea_popescu;they don't proceed from an in depth understanding of the thing, but merely by and by, as experience allows.
987500;1421898820;mircea_popescu;this worm's progress made them use those words because apparently one is more of a bitch than the other.
987501;1421898821;asciilifeform;!s the camel has two humps
987502;1421898822;assbot;5 results for 'the camel has two humps' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=the+camel+has+two+humps
987503;1421898859;decimation;yes, that much is obvious: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=21-01-2015#985357
987504;1421898859;assbot;Logged on 21-01-2015 02:59:39; Luke-Jr: I think the db_config patch may explain why it works, but could be potentially inadequate for the current consensus rules
987505;1421898859;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform so basically, im saying "this certain part of the us is now so infested, the cancer is mostly eating other cancer"
987506;1421898900;mircea_popescu;decimation Luke-Jr generally pretends that things he doesn't like don't actually exist. this is the case in pretty much every line he utters, crafted to support his particular mental issues.
987507;1421898923;mircea_popescu;in this case, he conveniently neglects the point that there is no \such thing as CURRENT consensus, in any way distinct from trhe actual consensus
987508;1421898928;mircea_popescu;as verified by a 5.x node
987509;1421898961;BingoBoingo;<mircea_popescu> decimation Luke-Jr generally pretends that things he doesn't like don't actually exist. this is the case in pretty much every line he utters, crafted to support his particular mental issues. << Things like Popes
987510;1421899016;mircea_popescu;now, he'd like for it to be the case, obviously, because that'd imply that the "Work" the power rangers have been doing for the past year is worth more than zero, which is a proposition he holds dear for obvious reasons.
987511;1421899057;BingoBoingo;In much the same way he'd like a miner on a bench at BFL to have been a miner on his testing bench
987512;1421899061;mircea_popescu;right.
987513;1421899100;decimation;to be fair, he did express some level of interest in the foundation project.  perhaps he knows what is really true in his hindbrain
987514;1421899129;mircea_popescu;anyway, i suppose it comes as one of those "nobody could have predicted" things to these people that the entire pile of crap they've been amassing over the years can and for that matter likely will simply be thrown out and forgotten.
987515;1421899142;mircea_popescu;a naive stance, but then again neckbeards aren't exactly known for worldliness.
987516;1421899186;BingoBoingo;decimation: Probably to an extent. Luke-Jr has a rather sort of logical structure organizing his schtick which seems self consistent while entirely problematic.
987517;1421899239;mircea_popescu;"So his mom cut him off from wiping his ass for him when he turned 18 and now he thinks the ladies owe him blowjobs. I hope bitcoin collapses just to fuck this guy."
987518;1421899248;mircea_popescu;apparently reddit really likes me, in unrelated news.
987519;1421899251;*;BingoBoingo has been considering using one of those "Edgerouter Lites" as a desktop system.
987520;1421899261;BingoBoingo;lol
987521;1421899288;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: Where was this?
987522;1421899305;mircea_popescu;http://www.reddit.com/r/EnoughLibertarianSpam/comments/2rzhvq/bitcoin_thought_leader_takes_a_moment_to/cnmwalf << something that apparently exists.
987523;1421899426;BingoBoingo;Ah
987524;1421899979;decimation;asciilifeform: did you use libusb-0.1 or -1.0 to develop cardano?  or are you just using the kernel mass storage driver?
987525;1421900062;mircea_popescu;http://yro.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=6783079&cid=48872369
987526;1421900063;assbot;Silk Road 2.0 Deputy Arrested - Slashdot ... ( http://bit.ly/1t0xzUa )
987527;1421900065;mircea_popescu;apparently some people get it.
987528;1421900128;BingoBoingo;The tragedy is I have an assload of modpoints atm, but can't spend them on this thread because I had to highlight the link sniping.
987529;1421900256;mircea_popescu;lol
987530;1421900270;mircea_popescu;i have nfi what all that is, but it sounds funny.
987531;1421900307;BingoBoingo;http://yro.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=6783079&cid=48872465
987532;1421900308;assbot;Silk Road 2.0 Deputy Arrested - Slashdot ... ( http://bit.ly/1t0y3tF )
987533;1421900340;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: Basically slashdot has "votes" but they get allotted at unpredicatable time intervals and expire.
987534;1421900349;mircea_popescu;uh
987535;1421900366;mircea_popescu;so the only way spamming it works is statistically ? gee.
987536;1421900374;BingoBoingo;Pretty much.
987537;1421900396;BingoBoingo;Pretty sure that contributed to our good /. run with pankkake
987538;1421900434;mircea_popescu;what was that again ?
987539;1421900441;BingoBoingo;but for story selection everything goes through the annoited editors anyway which is why some altcoin got two stories on consecutive days.
987540;1421900466;BingoBoingo;<mircea_popescu> what was that again ? << That time my personal blog was featured on /. thrice with no resistance.
987541;1421900476;mircea_popescu;aha
987542;1421900523;BingoBoingo;And featured thrice in 4 months
987543;1421900556;BingoBoingo;The first time was exactly one year ago +/- 5 days
987544;1421901190;BingoBoingo;!up hktud0
987545;1421901492;BingoBoingo;https://www.reddit.com/r/Buttcoin/comments/2t7nsb/i_grew_a_neckbeard_reading_this_bitcoin/cnwoeat
987546;1421901494;assbot;ButterNubber comments on I grew a neckbeard reading this "Bitcoin Declaration of Sovereignity" (note: Link doesn't go to the actual Bitcoin Foundation) ... ( http://bit.ly/1t0ArAA )
987547;1421901572;ben_vulpes;oh, reddit discovered the fundation?
987548;1421901584;mircea_popescu;you're famous nao.
987549;1421901588;mircea_popescu;dun fuck it up.
987550;1421901604;ben_vulpes;i'm still waiting for robert viragh to call my mother and tell her i hang out with nasty people on the internets
987551;1421901620;mircea_popescu;why your mother specifically?
987552;1421901629;ben_vulpes;because that's what he threatened to do!
987553;1421901636;mircea_popescu;lolwut
987554;1421901643;ben_vulpes;not even kidding
987555;1421901654;mircea_popescu;i guess hungarians have jew-close relationships with their mothers /
987556;1421901665;mircea_popescu;no wonder highest suicide rate in teh werld.
987557;1421901678;ben_vulpes;want to hear something else lispily amusing?
987558;1421901685;mircea_popescu;ok ?
987559;1421901702;ben_vulpes;stumpwm (a cl window manager) handles multiple monitors better than OS X.
987560;1421901721;mircea_popescu;i wasn't thinking os x is particularly good at any task.
987561;1421901723;ben_vulpes;"just works" is dead. has been for like 3 revisions now, but the rest of the world is finally waking up to it.
987562;1421901725;mircea_popescu;humor comes from contradictiyon
987563;1421901734;BingoBoingo;ben_vulpes: Ever play with plan9 or its forks/distros?
987564;1421901742;mircea_popescu;"Table 'bitcoin.smf_boards' doesn't exist"
987565;1421901743;ben_vulpes;mircea_popescu: nah, it was great for the adobe suite
987566;1421901747;decimation;usg's failure to properly implement fire department radio encryption (not that it is needed) could have killed people http://www.nbcwashington.com/news/local/New-Radio-Encryption-May-Have-Stymied-Communication-in-Metro-Incident-289075111.html
987567;1421901748;assbot;New Radio Encryption May Have Stymied Communication in Metro Incident, Sources Say  | NBC4 Washington ... ( http://bit.ly/1t0B3pO )
987568;1421901752;ben_vulpes;basically purpose built for them
987569;1421901753;mircea_popescu;did tardstalk just move over the new design ?
987570;1421901760;mircea_popescu;the one a guy in sf made for $500k
987571;1421901769;ben_vulpes;BingoBoingo: not i, no.
987572;1421901784;ben_vulpes;my next operating system dabblings are going to be in bsds and gentoo
987573;1421901790;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo ^ scoop for you
987574;1421901792;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: If they did, they haven't done it well
987575;1421901793;mircea_popescu;bitcointalk died ?
987576;1421901813;decimation;ben_vulpes: re: osx << it's been going downhill ever since 10.6
987577;1421901814;mircea_popescu;thanks god that italian dude did the cached version eh.
987578;1421901824;mats;all this gloom about forest fires makes me nervous, i am a mere vassal of USG with insufficient rocket fuel
987579;1421901848;ben_vulpes;decimation, yeah, that's the one.
987580;1421901853;ben_vulpes;i've yet to eat 10.10.
987581;1421901858;ben_vulpes;my time will come, i'm sure
987582;1421901873;decimation;I've been cursed with supporting osx at the office to some degree
987583;1421901882;decimation;ever try to make it actually work with nfs reliably?
987584;1421901885;ben_vulpes;their proprietary spreadsheet program will only save documents compatible with the version of itself that runs on 10.10
987585;1421901890;mircea_popescu;anyone remember who was the bitcointa.lk sysadmin ? i recall he was here.
987586;1421901904;BingoBoingo;c something or other
987587;1421901939;*;punkman wonders if bitcointalk will break all the old links after upgrade
987588;1421901942;decimation;mats: in the case of the link above, people died waiting for 'rescue' after a metro train became 'stuck' near some kind of fire
987589;1421901951;mircea_popescu;cedivad ty.
987590;1421901953;mircea_popescu;;;seen cedivad
987591;1421901954;gribble;cedivad was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 30 weeks, 1 day, 7 hours, 50 minutes, and 14 seconds ago: <cedivad> Barber claimed that they were payments to suppliers, but he has still to prove that.
987592;1421901984;mircea_popescu;;;later tell cedivad hey, now that bitcointalk.org is gone, could a full dump of bitcointa.lk be had for archival purposes ?
987593;1421901984;gribble;The operation succeeded.
987594;1421902056;ben_vulpes;;;rate gavinandresen -5 has already broken bitcoin innumerable times and would like to continue.
987595;1421902057;gribble;Rating entry successful. Your rating of -5 for user gavinandresen has been recorded.
987596;1421902064;ben_vulpes;;;rate gavinandresen -5 has already broken bitcoin several times and would like to continue.
987597;1421902065;gribble;Rating entry successful. Your rating for user gavinandresen has changed from -5 to -5.
987598;1421902098;ben_vulpes;!rate gavinandresen -5 has already broken bitcoin several times and would like to continue.
987599;1421902099;assbot;Request successful, get your OTP: http://w.b-a.link/otp/611684fc1d533df2
987600;1421902133;ben_vulpes;!v assbot:ben_vulpes.rate.gavinandresen.-5:8e4060d0c134fa8feda50c5e3e897056c40b5142c493f8d4371e8bbaf386085d
987601;1421902133;assbot;Successfully updated the rating for gavinandresen from -5 to -5 with note: has already broken bitcoin several times and would like to continue.
987602;1421902140;mircea_popescu;anywya, ima be off now, all teh people wanting to pretend like you are talking in b-a but not really, you got at least six hours.
987603;1421902156;ben_vulpes;zing
987604;1421902168;BingoBoingo;scoopbot: fetch
987605;1421902187;BingoBoingo;scoopbot -fetch
987606;1421902194;scoopbot;New post on Qntra.net by Bingo Boingo: http://qntra.net/2015/01/bitcointalk-is-down-migrating/
987607;1421902265;punkman;I doubt they will actually migrate to node.js crapolade before 2016, seems like a lot of work
987608;1421902359;BingoBoingo;punkman: Well, question marks exist for reasons.
987609;1421902460;decimation;lol http://www.businessinsider.com/google-active-users-2015-1 " In other words, 0.2-0.3% of all G+ profiles, about 4-6 million users, have made public posts in 2015. "
987610;1421902461;assbot;Google+ Active Users - Business Insider ... ( http://bit.ly/1t0CyEx )
987611;1421902570;punkman;decimation, so they are claiming 2-3 billion users total?
987612;1421902587;ben_vulpes;<BingoBoingo> [] lulz https://twitter.com/ErrataRob/status/558037792568410112 << and yet nothing on motherboard, despite twitter's "source" of Kari Paul, nominally a writer for the rag in question.
987613;1421902589;assbot;Today in Silk Road proceedings, prosecution showed that the Dread Pirate Roberts private PGP key was saved on Ulbricht's computer.
987614;1421902613;decimation;punkman: that's 2-3 billion signups
987615;1421902624;punkman;best SR timeline and notes http://antilop.cc/sr/
987616;1421902625;assbot;Silk Road Tales and Archives ... ( http://bit.ly/1t0CTad )
987617;1421902632;decimation;of which apparently 99.7% never actually use google plus as 'social media'
987618;1421902651;BingoBoingo;ben_vulpes: Remember that time pankkake was like WTF is this giant incoming ATC transaction... And it was because in worst practices we had a private key together...
987619;1421902688;ben_vulpes;http://antilop.cc/sr/#trial << and yet nothing from today
987620;1421902688;assbot;Silk Road Tales and Archives ... ( http://bit.ly/1t0CYL2 )
987621;1421902717;BingoBoingo;Technology is cruel, but especially so to prosecutors.
987622;1421902718;ben_vulpes;BingoBoingo: ya duh if the defense is "DPR was more than one person" then the obvious next step is "well and of course we shooped the key around"
987623;1421902727;BingoBoingo;Indeed
987624;1421902754;BingoBoingo;And of course then when Ulbricht returns e gets the archives of drama he missed.
987625;1421902797;BingoBoingo;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BfuWXRZe9yA
987626;1421902799;assbot;The Who - Behind Blue Eyes (Original Version) - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1t0DdWm )
987627;1421902809;mats;i wonder what price per coin was agreed to when he gave em up
987628;1421902879;BingoBoingo;mats: Probably "market" rate
987629;1421902888;punkman;503 on qntra here
987630;1421902917;punkman;also on http://www.bitcoinstats.com/irc/bitcoin-otc/logs/
987631;1421902921;BingoBoingo;Fuck
987632;1421902944;BingoBoingo;No fucks nao, works
987633;1421903568;punkman;such opsec http://antilop.cc/sr/img/mrmike_tips_tricks.png
987634;1421903569;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1t0ESLD )
987635;1421903657;BingoBoingo;Fuck Chicago PD is the closest thing to actual LEX operation on 'Murican TV
987636;1421903793;BingoBoingo;The one flaw is the tactics they attribute to Big city specialized intelligence unit were normalized in small town PD long ago
987637;1421904069;asciilifeform;decimation: did you use libusb-0.1 or -1.0 to develop cardano?  or are you just using the kernel mass storage driver? << it mounts as a standard mass storage dev.
987638;1421904093;decimation;ah.  I'm trying to write driver using userland library, and am loathing usb
987639;1421904131;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo has been considering using one of those "Edgerouter Lites" as a desktop system << you don't want to do this, believe. i have freebsd running, but turns out that mips 'strip' is defective (can't be arsed to hunt for the endianism bug in it, could take a month) and half the ports tree won't build.
987640;1421904139;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: it also is not an especially fast box.
987641;1421904227;decimation;asciilifeform: 'strip' as in stripping debug symbols?
987642;1421904227;BingoBoingo;Fuck, asciilifeform not for the lack of fast, but for the defective. I've had octeon suspicions like I have longsoon suspicions, but cock sucking mother fucker.
987643;1421904271;decimation;plus, what would you use for display? crt serial terminal?
987644;1421904347;BingoBoingo;decimation: I would use crt serial plugged into RJ port. I assume at the moment stripped means instructions as part of 64 are fucked because "octeon" and no one cares for poor MPIS.
987645;1421904352;BingoBoingo;*MIPS
987646;1421904370;BingoBoingo;Fuck I don't even care enough for MIPS to spell it right.
987647;1421904411;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: gentoo is reputed to run more or less correctly on it. have not tried personally.
987648;1421904435;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: 'strip' as in the util by same name on your unix box.
987649;1421904450;asciilifeform;decimation: libusb is not the loathesome part, but usb per se.
987650;1421904476;decimation;asciilifeform: indeed.  little can be done to abstract the overengineered crazytown
987651;1421904500;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: Ah. On non tard-86 I assume perserve userspace to allow pulseaudio cancer would poison any linux too much.
987652;1421904523;decimation;supposedly the linux that comes with the box gets good reviews
987653;1421904523;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: the 'octeon' doesn't have an audio card.
987654;1421904538;asciilifeform;decimation: all i can say is that it booted. once.
987655;1421904548;asciilifeform;(i didn't care for the closed-source kernel mod)
987656;1421904551;decimation;heh.   does it have any usable bus interface?
987657;1421904559;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: Pulse audio's salvation from fixing a kernel bug was a more general io concern if I remember right
987658;1421904575;asciilifeform;there's a usb socket on the board. comes filled with a 4g stick, no-brand aluminum pill.
987659;1421904599;decimation;so one could use a hub to add usb devices.
987660;1421904605;BingoBoingo;decimation: It has rj-45 jack, can emulate rs-232 over that for terminal I would hope or not a computer.
987661;1421904605;asciilifeform;also some gpio pins that are, afaik, not brought out; and two uarts, one of which is soldered to the 'console' jack
987662;1421904609;asciilifeform;115200 baud.
987663;1421904651;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: iirc there is an experimental openbsd port as well.
987664;1421904652;BingoBoingo;Why always 1 step forward and half a mile and a liter of hobo piss back.
987665;1421904660;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: oh and freebsd on octeon doesn't support loadable kmods.
987666;1421904667;asciilifeform;hope you didn't need any.
987667;1421904668;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: Yes, but requires NFS boot
987668;1421904683;BingoBoingo;For OBSD
987669;1421904683;asciilifeform;it makes a perfectly fine router.
987670;1421904688;asciilifeform;(freebsd)
987671;1421904689;BingoBoingo;Prolly.
987672;1421904697;asciilifeform;i'm connected through it even now.
987673;1421904703;decimation;I would consider purchasing it to replace the pc I'm using for that purpose
987674;1421904704;BingoBoingo;Just... routers are cheap.
987675;1421904745;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: routers with metal chassis, passive cooling, and removable mass storage generally are not cheap.
987676;1421904746;*;BingoBoingo though would prefer computer
987677;1421904766;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: For particular definitions of cheap
987678;1421904812;decimation;asciilifeform: cisco et.al. have been making $$$ selling versions of this kind of thing with crapware
987679;1421904819;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: not readily available, rather. (the only real alternative i can think of, built from extant hardware, is 'pc engines' - if you can abide x86)
987680;1421904820;BingoBoingo;Edgerouter seemed a bargain, still seems best at what it is... just... disapoint that not as I hoped it could be abused into without the now apparent resistance
987681;1421904839;asciilifeform;cisco is not permitted in my home even unpowered.
987682;1421904858;decimation;asciilifeform: right, but I think they might use mips on some of their stuff
987683;1421904872;asciilifeform;the only one i've ever opened actually had a... 486.
987684;1421904873;BingoBoingo;<asciilifeform> cisco is not permitted in my home even unpowered. << Technetium even if it is a perfect catalyst not invited to the lab.
987685;1421904885;decimation;lol
987686;1421904897;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: on account of my having far too much garbage as is
987687;1421904950;BingoBoingo;The lab is a construct of mine I posit as roughly equivalent to Luke-Jr's hindbrain. Probably flawed, but I hop at least not flawed in that way.
987688;1421904976;TomServo;have you guys checked out http://soekris.com/ stuff?  I've been eyeing it up for my next router..runs obsd.
987689;1421904977;assbot;Soekris Engineering, Inc. | Single Board Communication Computers ... ( http://bit.ly/1t0HtVK )
987690;1421904987;TomServo;(not so budget)
987691;1421905002;decimation;TomServo: I was looking at their specs a few weeks ago
987692;1421905016;asciilifeform;TomServo: do they still ship ancient 'pentium' ?
987693;1421905018;decimation;apparently it's popular to mod the clock on thier boards with something better, to use for ntp server
987694;1421905028;asciilifeform;i was gonna mention it but was afraid folks would laugh.
987695;1421905043;TomServo;I've not yet ordered anything
987696;1421905055;decimation;http://www.febo.com/pages/soekris/
987697;1421905056;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1t0HDg3 )
987698;1421905082;*;BingoBoingo wants a ruthenium standard on wrist can not fault other's time foibles.
987699;1421905096;*;decimation wonders why 'adult' computer servers lack external clock input
987700;1421905106;asciilifeform;'pc engines' (swiss) ships similar boards with modern amd (64-bit) cpu, rather than intel turds, for half the price.
987701;1421905116;asciilifeform;with published schematics, even.
987702;1421905121;asciilifeform;and linuxbios.
987703;1421905207;*;BingoBoingo just wants a MIPS64 workstation that doesn't exist since 68k descendants are stuck in robo-arms
987704;1421905226;BingoBoingo;s/exist/stink
987705;1421905237;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: didntcha have a 'loongson' ?
987706;1421905266;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: I've been searching for one that doesn't cost anal virginity or another FBI door knock
987707;1421905287;asciilifeform;afaik not banned yet.
987708;1421905339;asciilifeform;why does it have to be mips64 anyway.
987709;1421905340;BingoBoingo;And yet I still have Treasury agent Broachwala's business card in case I want to confess tax crimes and not the mick/potato-nigger FBI agent's card.
987710;1421905351;decimation;honestly it's probably better just to buy an fpga board and roll your ow
987711;1421905373;BingoBoingo;Well MIPS64 or 64 bit 68k descendant of which I know none.
987712;1421905378;BingoBoingo;Because RAM
987713;1421905401;BingoBoingo;Disk only exists because electric grids suck
987714;1421905454;decimation;http://www.alvie.com/zpuino/ << free fpga 'soft' cpu
987715;1421905455;assbot;ZPUino ... ( http://bit.ly/1t0IiOy )
987716;1421905509;BingoBoingo;The age of many of these recent solaris patches shake my faith in SPAR64
987717;1421905514;BingoBoingo;*SPARC64
987718;1421905538;BingoBoingo;Which I like as an uncomfortable parachute.
987719;1421905690;BingoBoingo;Of the assemblies I am most familiar with 68k, but... If we are stuck with C machines until loper gets a CPU... If I have to do C machines the MIPS bare minimum of a C machine has a lot of appeal.
987720;1421905798;BingoBoingo;And MIPS routers suggests there are people making small process MIPS chips which ought to mean less RF emissions for that asshole with the white F-150 to pick up.
987721;1421905994;BingoBoingo;I dunno that the white F-150 is surveilling me, but...
987722;1421906576;*;BingoBoingo doesn't expect arrest, but "be prepared"
987723;1421906695;BingoBoingo;Everything is grave
987724;1421907270;mats;leave your private keys with me and i promise ill bail you out
987725;1421907306;mats;;)
987726;1421907399;BingoBoingo;mats: Oh, if you understand anatomy well enough you can put private keys anywhere.
987727;1421907561;BingoBoingo;mats: Anyways since you declared allegiance to New Reno USG I have to assume polio USG is spending more then $100k per year chasing less than a prius in Buttstamp valued BTC.
987728;1421907588;BingoBoingo;No insult intended to you mats, all insults intended towards Obola
987729;1421907721;asciilifeform;Because RAM << 'edgerouter' came with 512M soldered down.
987730;1421907817;BingoBoingo;Sounds like enough for almost everything but respectable BTC node
987731;1421907995;asciilifeform;whateverthefuck fpga cpu << http://www.cs.utah.edu/~elb/cadbook/Chapters/Chapter13/mips.v << mips.
987732;1421908001;asciilifeform;basic example.
987733;1421908032;asciilifeform;(yes these are often given as homework.)
987734;1421908051;BingoBoingo;Problem is not lack of basic examples it is that a decade or two long wait for dataflow cadr CPU... seems ok...
987735;1421908084;asciilifeform;cadr cpu << go, download brad parker's.
987736;1421908139;asciilifeform;http://www.unlambda.com/cadr/index.html
987737;1421908140;assbot;Retrocomputing - MIT CADR Lisp Machines ... ( http://bit.ly/1yPyPfy )
987738;1421908165;BingoBoingo;Fuck, Imma have to learn shit.
987739;1421908280;BingoBoingo;Oh, this is a "red pill" machine
987740;1421908297;asciilifeform;wat
987741;1421908333;BingoBoingo;I took the red pill... two, in fact :-) << Quote from page
987742;1421908430;BingoBoingo;http://www.unlambda.com/cadr/index.html
987743;1421908431;assbot;Retrocomputing - MIT CADR Lisp Machines ... ( http://bit.ly/1CEfJWS )
987744;1421908572;BingoBoingo;Maybe the brain ETOH pickling is making my smash ideas that shouldn't be together, but... on a slow happenings day like today my brain needed chemical protection from the adverse effects of Reddit.
987745;1421908620;*;BingoBoingo also offer that yes the forgetfulness effect of drunk is exactly how one should avoid catching brain damage spread by Redditards.
987746;1421908620;fluffypony;oh noez, blockchain.info was down, now bitcointalk is down, err'one panic
987747;1421908636;BingoBoingo;fluffypony: It could be worse
987748;1421908733;BingoBoingo;fluffypony: I got produce this week and today ate another whole broccoli. At it because steaming fit the timeline of busy at X, be still wanted ready food at Y.
987749;1421908854;fluffypony;that truly is a fate worse than death
987750;1421908908;BingoBoingo;Nah
987751;1421909263;punkman;fractal broccoli makes the prettiest salad https://thefourhourchef.files.wordpress.com/2012/10/istock_000011134261_romanesco.jpg
987752;1421909265;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1CEhKT1 )
987753;1421909441;BingoBoingo;punkman: What's wrong with the plain kind get a 2-3 lb head and eat the whole thing.
987754;1421909518;punkman;BingoBoingo: yeah I do cauliflower,broccoli,onion,pepper,carrot salad often, it's great
987755;1421909522;punkman;no steaming though
987756;1421909828;BingoBoingo;Maybe I just do groceies odd, but broccoli comes in one giant piece so I figure most practical to eat as such
987757;1421909870;punkman;we don't have giant mutant broccoli here
987758;1421910042;punkman;I usually wash it, cut it down to smaller pieces, immerse in water+vinegar+salt and leave it in the fridge
987759;1421910298;BingoBoingo;What kind of midget broccoli do you get there?
987760;1421911165;fluffypony;reddit circlejerks over the weirdest stuff
987761;1421911166;fluffypony;http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/2t9day/bill_gates_just_said_on_jimmy_fallon_the_future/
987762;1421911167;assbot;Bill Gates just said on Jimmy Fallon the future in Africa is about access to banking with cell phones and digital currency!! : Bitcoin ... ( http://bit.ly/1CSpQYy )
987763;1421911180;fluffypony;OMG WORTHY OF *TWO* EXCLAMATION MARKS!
987764;1421911373;punkman;BingoBoingo: http://i.imgur.com/XKQsbUW.jpg
987765;1421911375;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1CSqpS5 )
987766;1421911601;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 1341 @ 0.00084997 = 1.1398 BTC [+] {3} 
987767;1421912026;BingoBoingo;punkman: My drunk ass is going to sleep, and hopefully in my sleep I will fart enough to prevent explosion.
987768;1421912083;punkman;BingoBoingo, good luck ;)
987769;1421912186;BingoBoingo;punkman: I might seriously gas myself, but I am fine.
987770;1421912288;BingoBoingo;https://twitter.com/BBoingo/status/558166471856373760
987771;1421912289;assbot;So /CoinFireBlog are writing and encouraging spurious BS about GAW. Sue them /gawceo just destroy these halfwit clowns.
987772;1421912473;BingoBoingo;https://twitter.com/BBoingo/status/558167409174253568
987773;1421912475;assbot;So /CoinFireBlog are writing and encouraging spurious BS about GAW. Sue them /gawceo just destroy these halfwit clowns.
987774;1421912605;BingoBoingo;Also why the fuck is the total weight of Homero's conference bodyguards less than that I usually have on any given Friday?
987775;1421912734;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: Mega lol http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_slatest/2015/01/21/russian_kalashnikov_ak_47_rifles_to_be_made_in_u_s.html
987776;1421912735;assbot;Russian Kalashnikov AK-47 rifles to be made in U.S. ... ( http://bit.ly/1CSu8PR )
987777;1421912771;*;BingoBoingo would rather see USian Mosin and SKS, but...
987778;1421913144;*;BingoBoingo admits he is drunk and full of hatorade right now, but can not understand why GAW is focusing its hate and traffic on 2coinfire.cf which merely threatens them instead of qntra.net which ended them.
987779;1421913421;BingoBoingo;!up AndrewJackson
987780;1421913458;AndrewJackson;thanks ;)
987781;1421913478;AndrewJackson;is bitcointalk down?
987782;1421913518;AndrewJackson;I guess it is ;/
987783;1421913781;davout;https://twitter.com/davoutplantaire/status/558172786808852480
987784;1421913782;assbot;/ingenico & /paymium team up to offer /hashtag/bitcoin?src=hash payments on next-gen payment terminals! http://t.co/t4ZjmThL2g
987785;1421915565;Naphex;davout: grats on the intergration.
987786;1421915591;Naphex;davout: do they just hook to the payments api?
987787;1421915631;davout;that's the plan yes
987788;1421915642;Naphex;davout: on the new terminals or old ones as well?
987789;1421915647;davout;these terminals are not publicly available yet
987790;1421915650;davout;new ones only
987791;1421915673;davout;those with a sufficiently large screen
987792;1421916786;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4335 @ 0.00049947 = 2.1652 BTC [+]
987793;1421917030;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 12 @ 0.10000301 = 1.2 BTC [+] {3} 
987794;1421917762;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 1800 @ 0.00085 = 1.53 BTC [+]
987795;1421917852;punkman;http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-30915210
987796;1421917853;assbot;BBC News - ECB expected to inject up to €1 trillion into eurozone ... ( http://bit.ly/1Ev4OjV )
987797;1421922249;davout;http://burgerexpress.com/ <<< crank your volume up
987798;1421922250;assbot;Burger Express:Home ... ( http://bit.ly/15vgxmp )
987799;1421924386;davout;https://twitter.com/didlix/status/558211639582134273 <<< so apparently i'm a mean bullying troll :D
987800;1421924387;assbot;It’s really smart as a business owner to go around publicly harassing people /davoutplantaire http://t.co/3MvaixKHb5
987801;1421926167;davout;lol, bitch blocked me
987802;1421929352;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6450 @ 0.00049015 = 3.1615 BTC [-]
987803;1421930947;nubbins`;what, bitcointalk is down?
987804;1421930959;nubbins`;things were getting good, woodcollector started calling people fags
987805;1421930966;nubbins`;the scam thread made it up to like 23 pages
987806;1421931676;punkman;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NsYOTERciOU#t=55
987807;1421931678;assbot;Firefighters extinguishing a car fire goes wrong - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1yweDx9 )
987808;1421933613;thestringpuller;davout: makes me want to fulfill my dream of living in france
987809;1421933626;davout;thestringpuller: wai?
987810;1421933655;thestringpuller;took french classes half my life. and look a real life cool french person rite here on IRC!
987811;1421933664;thestringpuller;who make france moar appealing
987812;1421934331;davout;thestringpuller: you're australian amirite?
987813;1421934405;davout;or am i heavily confused?
987814;1421934768;thestringpuller;cazalla is aussie
987815;1421934772;thestringpuller;I'm US-ian
987816;1421934780;thestringpuller;From the fucking south, the dumbest of the dumb.
987817;1421934878;thestringpuller;davout: http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/2t6oks/gavineries_irc_discussion_of_the_block_size/cnwg265 << this caveden guy is like that kid in class who just can't seem to understand the teacher so makes his own rules.
987818;1421935039;davout;he's an oldtimer
987819;1421935074;davout;his argumentation basically boils down to "prove me we shouldn't change what works"
987820;1421935186;davout;this pronoun-changing bzns keeps the butthurt flowing
987821;1421936062;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34250 @ 0.00049034 = 16.7941 BTC [+] {2} 
987822;1421937781;kakobrekla;lulz ensured https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/2t8ppe/now_you_can_buy_a_trezorlike_hardware_wallet_in/
987823;1421937784;assbot;Now you can buy a TREZOR-like hardware wallet in less than $30 , take a look : Bitcoin ... ( http://bit.ly/1Ck01mc )
987824;1421937844;kakobrekla;>Which expert's opinion do you want to see ?
987825;1421937851;kakobrekla;>Andreas Antonoplous, or Kristov Atlas would seal the deal for me; I'd say Peter Todd or Greg Maxwell would be best, but those dudes are super busy these days.
987826;1421937903;kakobrekla;i think i just blown my retard-o-meter
987827;1421937908;kakobrekla;dammit.
987828;1421938267;jurov;don't copy that stuff here then. can cause murderous rage for mircea_popescu, ben_vulpes  and others
987829;1421938283;jurov;oh these two aren't around. okay then :>
987830;1421938350;davout;jurov: lol
987831;1421938485;jurov;http://qntra.net/2015/xy/bitcoin-asseteers-embark-twitter-killing-spree/
987832;1421938486;assbot;Page not found | Qntra.net ... ( http://bit.ly/1Ck5Boz )
987833;1421938546;davout;jurov: lmao, i naively clocked
987834;1421938549;davout;*clicked
987835;1421938624;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15700 @ 0.00049823 = 7.8222 BTC [+] {2} 
987836;1421938699;jurov;kakobrekla you see, nobody trusts assbot title extractor anymore
987837;1421939629;mod6;that hardware thingy looks like I should take a slapshot with it.
987838;1421940348;punkman;https://www.cryptocoinsnews.com/bitcoin-forum-bitcointalk-due-disk-failure-data-lost/
987839;1421940349;assbot; Bitcoin Forum Bitcointalk is Down due to Disk Failure - Data Lost - CryptoCoinsNews ... ( http://bit.ly/1CiLy9M )
987840;1421940372;kakobrekla;lol
987841;1421940407;mod6;maybe they'll have lost your ban.  win!
987842;1421940438;kakobrekla;doubt they will lose all 4 of them
987843;1421940442;mod6;haha
987844;1421940470;davout;o noes, that mountain of butthurt took years to build
987845;1421940629;punkman;https://twitter.com/bitcointalk/status/558273534393217024
987846;1421940630;assbot;Data since Jan 21 21:44 UTC will not be automatically recovered, though if anything important was lost, I might be able to find it manually.
987847;1421940860;danielpbarron;what timing!
987848;1421941081;BingoBoingo;http://qntra.net/2015/01/bitcointalk-is-down-migrating/
987849;1421941081;assbot;Bitcointalk is Down, Migrating? – Update – Disk Failure | Qntra.net ... ( http://bit.ly/1CiNgrL )
987850;1421941457;thestringpuller;"This is reason we need new forum!"
987851;1421941488;thestringpuller;I wonder if in 20 years when IRC is still chugging along on freenode what will be of thermos' forum...
987852;1421941600;*;danielpbarron seriously doubts it will be on freenode in 20 years, or if there will even be a freenode
987853;1421941744;thestringpuller;freenode is already 20 years old
987854;1421941751;BingoBoingo;Prolly going to fork into "systemd-node" and "System D Nodes"
987855;1421941810;thestringpuller;danielpbarron: i think freenode will always have irc clients connected to it in the far future
987856;1421941828;danielpbarron;hey i'm still connected to efnet!
987857;1421941855;kakobrekla;;;isup qntra.net
987858;1421941857;gribble;qntra.net is up
987859;1421941888;thestringpuller;danielpbarron: doesn't that say something on its own regarding the durability of irc networks?
987860;1421941888;BingoBoingo;danielpbarron: EFnet used to be all of IRC except people who tolerated a particular server
987861;1421942023;danielpbarron;if a tree falls in the woods, and nobody important was there to write about it, did it make a sound?
987862;1421942064;thestringpuller;http://forum.efnet.org/viewtopic.php?t=5866 << beautiful
987863;1421942404;BingoBoingo;!up lobbes
987864;1421942413;BingoBoingo;!up pete_dushenski
987865;1421942500;davout;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=elQGa97sNFM&feature=youtu.be
987866;1421942501;assbot;Alternative Model Has Her Anus Cast In Bronze (Starring Rayna Terror) - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1CiQlYS )
987867;1421942528;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21900 @ 0.00049947 = 10.9384 BTC [+]
987868;1421942528;lobbes;ty BingoBoingo
987869;1421942640;lobbes;BingoBoingo: so, even if I'm running 0.8.1, I should be good if I just stay put?
987870;1421942662;lobbes;I'm glad I discovered this place, man. Otherwise I would have been led off the cliff a long time ago
987871;1421942694;lobbes;The more I read, the more I realize I don't know anything. Nor do the bitcoin devs for that matter
987872;1421942784;davout;lobbes: that's actually a pretty good sign
987873;1421942850;lobbes;davout: That I've realized my ignorance? lel, yeah I guess that's the first step, right?
987874;1421942902;davout;that doesn't usually happen only once, but yes it's a good thing in the sense that it's an incentive to think more
987875;1421942907;kakobrekla;welcome to the world of grim.
987876;1421942970;lobbes;I gotta say, this 'thinking' thing has helped me in my professional life as well
987877;1421942988;lobbes;the whole 'don't just assume' thing
987878;1421943662;thestringpuller;davout: thinking is hard tho.
987879;1421943768;davout;brains burn lots of energy
987880;1421943792;thestringpuller;focus is probably the hardest part of thinking, only achieved through kung fu
987881;1421943807;thestringpuller;concentration training in a world flooded with information
987882;1421943870;davout;ability to focus is acquired by focusing, being through kung-fu, meditation...
987883;1421943903;davout;s/being/be it/
987884;1421944006;thestringpuller;i say kung-fu in traditional: "special skill acquired through much practice"
987885;1421944023;thestringpuller;i.e. kung-fu = practice/repetition in my context my apologies lol
987886;1421944060;thestringpuller;focus being acquired through all of the above, which are practicing/training
987887;1421944080;davout;ah, i didn't get that :)
987888;1421944086;davout;i ASSUMED doh
987889;1421944243;thestringpuller;!up lobbes
987890;1421944301;thestringpuller;lobbes: I like the saying, "Scammer until proven trustworthy."
987891;1421944307;jurov;dunno if kung fu helped me focus
987892;1421944375;jurov;it's more about acquiring useful muscle memory bits
987893;1421944425;lobbes;I remember reading something a bit ago that hit home; a lot of people make the mistake of 'reasoning from their own mind' without really checking external sources of information. Which is deadly if you are ignorant such as myself
987894;1421944435;jurov;but on other side, we were supposed to learn choreography and i was too lazy to force myself to remember it whole properly
987895;1421944451;jurov;if i did it would prolly help
987896;1421944451;thestringpuller;jurov: the interesting facet of that kind of memory "working memory", is it requires some effort of concentration to operate
987897;1421944507;kakobrekla;lobbes its not just you. http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=05-03-2014#548257 relevant thread
987898;1421944507;assbot;Logged on 05-03-2014 23:07:34; kakobrekla: i guess misconception add up over the years
987899;1421944509;BingoBoingo;lobbes: Well Maybe there's a hazard. It isn't ideal, but I don't know of a great version of bitcoin yet.
987900;1421944516;BingoBoingo;!up nubbins`
987901;1421944525;thestringpuller;like if you do a repetitive task that require repetition, it may also require focus
987902;1421944545;thestringpuller;in order to prevent mistakes
987903;1421944582;thestringpuller;lobbes: re: ignorance << The first step is admitting to knowing nothing.
987904;1421944594;thestringpuller;Most never reach this step ever.
987905;1421944630;lobbes;thestringpuller davout: yes, and I would agree that I have reached this 'realization' more than once
987906;1421944631;jurov;thestringpuller it's big difference between doing a simple movememnt properly and doing whole choreography
987907;1421944659;jurov;imo only the latter helps to focus appreciably
987908;1421944669;thestringpuller;jurov: yes. when it all becomes fluid like water I guess the conscious mind is not really present?
987909;1421944671;nubbins`;hi
987910;1421944685;kakobrekla;was that hi handmade?
987911;1421944692;nubbins`;yes, letter by letter
987912;1421944696;kakobrekla;k then
987913;1421944698;nubbins`;how do you run a website and not know how many drives failed?
987914;1421944701;nubbins`;"some"
987915;1421944710;nubbins`;o.O
987916;1421944739;kakobrekla;well the machine says "no hdd found" and he is sure there were present before.
987917;1421944749;nubbins`;heh
987918;1421944751;kakobrekla;they were*
987919;1421944835;BingoBoingo;Maybe his buddy Garr sold him scam CognitiveHDD
987920;1421945119;jurov;thestringpuller the conscious mind needs to be there to say what's next. many people struggled with it
987921;1421945598;Naphex;o/
987922;1421946192;BingoBoingo;http://boisestatepublicradio.org/post/parachuting-beavers-idahos-wilderness-yes-it-really-happened
987923;1421946194;assbot;Parachuting Beavers Into Idaho's Wilderness? Yes, It Really Happened | Boise State Public Radio ... ( http://bit.ly/1CiZUH4 )
987924;1421946197;BingoBoingo;!up lobbes
987925;1421946216;kakobrekla;!gettrust assbot lobbes
987926;1421946216;assbot;Trust relationship from user assbot to user lobbes: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. | http://w.b-a.link/trust/assbot/lobbes | http://w.b-a.link/user/lobbes
987927;1421946257;kakobrekla;!rate lobbes 1 easy cum easy go
987928;1421946257;assbot;Request successful, get your OTP: http://w.b-a.link/otp/7c500e691ce44fc4
987929;1421946296;kakobrekla;!v assbot:kakobrekla.rate.lobbes.1:4fd3561d6f226714f09b646ea053aef5102071a772336bf8a34ab8b2efface77
987930;1421946296;assbot;Successfully added a rating of 1 for lobbes with note: easy cum easy go
987931;1421946318;kakobrekla;now you can selfvoiceyourself
987932;1421946356;mircea_popescu;!rated sturles
987933;1421946356;assbot;You rated user sturles on 29-Oct-2011, with a rating of 2, and supplied these additional notes: coupla deals over pp.
987934;1421946426;mircea_popescu;!rate sturles 4 I was hesitant to replace a 2011 rating before, however : Sturles is and has since the beginning been a pillar of the community.
987935;1421946426;assbot;Request successful, get your OTP: http://w.b-a.link/otp/091445207712a1a7
987936;1421946457;mircea_popescu;!v assbot:mircea_popescu.rate.sturles.4:3f9276f8f535402206a2b3271e74982696f84b71b759729a2837bbf58b0b7b15
987937;1421946457;assbot;Successfully updated the rating for sturles from 2 to 4 with note: I was hesitant to replace a 2011 rating before, however : Sturles is and has since the beginning been a pillar of the community.
987938;1421946471;kakobrekla;actually, here is the thing. if you just !rate over existing rating, the old date should stay. if you !unrate and !rate, it will put up a new one.
987939;1421946497;kakobrekla;idk if gribble works that way but iirc i made that call here
987940;1421946533;kakobrekla;!gettrust mircea_popescu sturles
987941;1421946535;assbot;Trust relationship from user mircea_popescu to user sturles: Level 1: 4, Level 2: 39 via 22 connections. | http://w.b-a.link/trust/mircea_popescu/sturles | http://w.b-a.link/user/sturles
987942;1421946539;Apocalyptic;gribble just overwrites the rating date everytime
987943;1421946554;mircea_popescu;kakobrekla you mean the date ? yes i know.
987944;1421946560;mircea_popescu;but wasn't the case pre january.
987945;1421946561;kakobrekla;                    [note] => I was hesitant to replace a 2011 rating before, however : Sturles is and has since the beginning been a pillar of the community.
987946;1421946561;kakobrekla;                    [since] => 29-Oct-2011
987947;1421946569;kakobrekla;date remains.
987948;1421946586;mircea_popescu;yup.
987949;1421946617;kakobrekla;just thought date is worth something and shouldnt be destroyed
987950;1421946625;mircea_popescu;yup. good call.
987951;1421946678;mircea_popescu;the fact that !unrate !rate cycle wipes it, but simple !rate update doesn't is actually the best of both worlds.
987952;1421946988;mircea_popescu;decimation: punkman: that's 2-3 billion signups <<< and yet, in spite of that claim (probably unsubstantiated, as all of these, but certainly more defensible in VC terms than anyone else's), g+ isn't worht anything.
987953;1421947023;mircea_popescu;if there's a better example as to why the  "grow big fast" so-called strategy doiesn't work, here it is. google's own g+ is not worth naything in spite of 3bn users.
987954;1421947056;mircea_popescu;that watsapp no users claimed as however many seemed to be worth something when fb paid for them is no support of the theory. that g+ isn't worth anything IS counterproof.
987955;1421947083;mircea_popescu;because that's how proof works : that you didn't break into any houses all through the day of the 29th doesn't help you in court. that you did on the 25th, sinks you.
987956;1421947238;thestringpuller;mircea_popescu: well santa clause is allowed to BNE on the 25th me thoughts
987957;1421947243;thestringpuller;claus*
987958;1421947257;thestringpuller;maybe the entire point of G+ is to prove Facebook isn't worth anything?
987959;1421947259;mircea_popescu;nah, he only enters.
987960;1421947304;mircea_popescu;thestringpuller yes, actually, in a backwards sort of way it's exactly that. google can't afford to have zuck pretend like oh, "we're better than google". so if he tries they can go "heh, we're fb plus other things".
987961;1421947311;mircea_popescu;strategy.
987962;1421947365;thestringpuller;if that strategy succeeds, the bubble that is facebook maybe unprecedented upon collapse.
987963;1421947392;mircea_popescu;all bubbles are really the same size.
987964;1421947402;mircea_popescu;their nominal monetary value is not important.
987965;1421947425;thestringpuller;this is good point, the idiots will be left holding the bag.
987966;1421947433;thestringpuller;as is always the case
987967;1421947441;thestringpuller;look at cnet d00d
987968;1421947447;mircea_popescu;moreover, there's a maximal value of a bubble, when it pops. this is driven by the headcount and so forth, nothing else.
987969;1421947471;mircea_popescu;albania's bubble was like, 9x% of maximum. russia's a few years earlier, more like 60%ish. romania's a good 80%
987970;1421947473;punkman;http://venturebeat.com/2015/01/21/man-sold-facebook-ipo-shares-gets-46-months-in-the-federal-slammer/
987971;1421947473;assbot;Man 'sold' Facebook IPO shares, gets 46 months in the federal slammer | VentureBeat | Business | by Daniel Terdiman ... ( http://bit.ly/1Cj3xge )
987972;1421947474;mircea_popescu;and on and on.
987973;1421947526;thestringpuller;mircea_popescu: in a sense bubles have asymptotes?
987974;1421947534;mircea_popescu;quite.
987975;1421947545;mircea_popescu;not "in a sense". in all senses.
987976;1421947588;thestringpuller;just making sure I understand the concept.
987977;1421947592;mircea_popescu;bubbles are built not out of money but out of dreams, hopes and assorted verbiage. which is why money is such an approximative approach to attack them.
987978;1421947597;mircea_popescu;queue newton's despair.
987979;1421947627;mircea_popescu;in principle, some pacific islanders with their six acres of unarable land and fifty coconuts can make a bubble just as well as new york can.
987980;1421947647;mircea_popescu;and when it pops, it will be JUST AS destructive to economy & society, according to how close to the absolute maximum it got.
987981;1421947702;thestringpuller;yea. not many people are going to "front" the pacific islanders dreams with drugs, sex and rock & roll in the same way US-ians do with Sillycon Valley
987982;1421947709;mircea_popescu;so you think.
987983;1421947721;mircea_popescu;but in fact, sex, drugs and rock and roll are a permanence in human history.
987984;1421947732;thestringpuller;or at least I look at a bubble as someone fronting someone something
987985;1421947751;thestringpuller;be it ferarri's, hookers, blow, etc.
987986;1421947754;mircea_popescu;yeah. but the something in question chiefly is "social and economic preeminence"
987987;1421947757;mircea_popescu;it's not anything concrete.
987988;1421947776;thestringpuller;it can be "something" concrete like say a house.
987989;1421947785;thestringpuller;bought with vc money that will never be repaid
987990;1421947794;mircea_popescu;only if the something concrete like say a house is also something abstract like the meaning of a house.
987991;1421947797;thestringpuller;given to a business that burns it all in the form of salaries
987992;1421947804;mircea_popescu;bubbles are built out of signifiers not out of significates.
987993;1421947819;thestringpuller;Could you elaborate a bit?
987994;1421947834;mircea_popescu;these are terms of art, you go read up on language theoree :)
987995;1421947855;thestringpuller;i iz bad @ wordz
987996;1421947859;thestringpuller;thiz is why I liten to hip hop
987997;1421947897;thestringpuller;i understand "Get money", but "build wealth" not so much.
987998;1421947934;mircea_popescu;http://www.revue-texto.net/Saussure/Saussure.html << can start with old man s.
987999;1421947935;assbot;Saussure ... ( http://bit.ly/1Cj4O77 )
988000;1421947970;thestringpuller;oooh. it's in french.
988001;1421947971;thestringpuller;<3
988002;1421948000;mircea_popescu;ironically, in spite of pierce's much more factually sensible theory, somehow saussure's seems more useful in practice.
988003;1421948402;scoopbot;New post on Qntra.net by Bingo Boingo: http://qntra.net/2015/01/drones-revolutionize-cross-border-drug-shipment/
988004;1421948550;mircea_popescu;!up sharp0
988005;1421948689;mircea_popescu;http://antilop.cc/sr/img/mrmike_tips_tricks.png << this is a pretty decent indication of what "drivinbg adoption" means.
988006;1421948690;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1t0ESLD )
988007;1421948721;mircea_popescu;having people who aren't really intellectually capable to handle email involved in bitcoin ? why ? "because they're people too" ? no, they're not people too. they're cattle too.
988008;1421948747;mircea_popescu;and this only speaks to whitey, people who have somehow fallen through the cracks of a lentghy history of literacy.
988009;1421948755;mircea_popescu;driving adoption in africa and central asia, god help you.
988010;1421948989;pete_dushenski;http://www.contravex.com/2015/01/22/central-banks-have-no-more-control-over-their-economies-than-gnats-have-over-elephants/
988011;1421948990;assbot;Central banks have no more control over their economies  than gnats have over elephants. | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski ... ( http://bit.ly/1Cj6Q72 )
988012;1421949033;mircea_popescu;well... if not yet then soon enough.
988013;1421949042;mircea_popescu;!up chetty
988014;1421949065;chetty;so on this mornings glenn beck show he went on at some length about how people would be turning to bitcoin as a way to protect idenity from all the hacking, he has big audience ..and he didnt say anything that was actually stuipd, for a change
988015;1421949120;punkman;mircea_popescu: driving adoption in africa and central asia, god help you. < imagining asian version of tips from husband now, scary
988016;1421949120;mircea_popescu;does he have recordings online ?
988017;1421949137;mircea_popescu;punkman right ? it's just... dude we did so very much to fuck up africa already
988018;1421949139;mircea_popescu;now this, too ?
988019;1421949143;mircea_popescu;can't they just get a break ?
988020;1421949157;BingoBoingo;chetty: Lizard Hitler doesn't need him to say anything stupid on Bitcoin. Other people will tell his audience stupid things and reasonable things abot Bitcoin might seem sstupid to other uninitiated people via naive association with him.
988021;1421949171;chetty;yes the blaze radio posts podcasts of all their shows
988022;1421949189;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo wasn't this the guy that did a lot of gold and guns advertising, and pretty much sounds like a b-a alumni ?
988023;1421949237;chetty;yeah if he could get off the god wagon he would make a lot of sense actually
988024;1421949239;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: To an extent. His relationship with particular gold vendors though apes Keiser's relationship with Aurora coin though. The "pay premium for particular coins" sort of scam
988025;1421949271;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo yeah it smelled funny that bit but i never really looked into it.
988026;1421949318;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: "collectible" gold coins instead of... "Fuck you this is gold" scam.
988027;1421949349;mircea_popescu;chetty ironically ppl like danielpbarron are doing fine. i dunno that one's religious belief is an impediment. course this may really be a religion vs theology thing.
988028;1421949370;chetty;well in fairness collectible gold is what FDR didnt get
988029;1421949426;mircea_popescu;chetty yeah but in fdr's time the situation was, weak govenrment and strong population. today it's exactly the opposite.
988030;1421949444;mircea_popescu;kinda like trying to guess what parts will stay dry after a flood. hard job.
988031;1421949469;chetty;indeed, but the floods a comin for sure
988032;1421949477;davout;https://twitter.com/OtaK_/status/558321238230462464 <<< this replace-pronouns twitter butthurt flow seems to be attracting a whole new level of stupid
988033;1421949478;assbot;It’s really smart as a business owner to go around publicly harassing people /davoutplantaire http://t.co/3MvaixKHb5
988034;1421949626;mircea_popescu;davout you know, here's the thing with twitter : back when i had an account, i kept thinking all sorts of in retrospect bizarre nonsensical, fatlogic-y rationalisations for why i'm spending time there.
988035;1421949649;mircea_popescu;once they decided i killed poor anton (god rest his stupid, scammy soul), i discovered... whoa.
988036;1421949660;mircea_popescu;this is really stupid central and wtf am i doing there!
988037;1421949671;pete_dushenski;lmao
988038;1421949674;davout;yeah, i hear you
988039;1421949679;kakobrekla;looks like bitcointalk to me
988040;1421949679;mircea_popescu;habit is this insane thing.
988041;1421949683;mircea_popescu;kakobrekla pretty much.
988042;1421949685;Pierre_Rochard;^ I sense I’m on that path too
988043;1421949697;mircea_popescu;now, in honesty, there WAS a time, in 2010, when pretty much all the good tail in romania was there.
988044;1421949697;kakobrekla;well, davout is the mod there..
988045;1421949700;Pierre_Rochard;like any bad habit, you hit rock bottom at some point and rethink tings
988046;1421949707;mircea_popescu;and so it worked as a good heuristic.
988047;1421949707;pete_dushenski;maybe we should have "#b-a divorces twitter day"
988048;1421949717;mircea_popescu;but a) it doesn't work in english and b) it doesn't work this decade.
988049;1421949729;undata;I mostly follow people from here, not so bad
988050;1421949746;davout;kakobrekla: i got some other french dude mod, so i can just pop in there from time to time and nuke the occasional noobie
988051;1421949762;kakobrekla;so a no-show job basically
988052;1421949768;BingoBoingo;pete_dushenski: I'm prolly going to be stuck there because of this media startup and a need to follow RSS for dummies
988053;1421949778;davout;kakobrekla: yeah, i should b
988054;1421949802;davout;i should make a bot that moderates randomly so i get paid from the forum chest until they notice XD
988055;1421949829;mircea_popescu;lmao
988056;1421949836;kakobrekla;wait you get paid per action ?
988057;1421949873;mircea_popescu;kakobrekla see ? SEE what you missed out on ?
988058;1421949878;kakobrekla;:(
988059;1421949899;kakobrekla;meanwhile eurusd 1.137
988060;1421949958;kakobrekla;that 2015 parity bet (which i did not make) in bitbet queue is gonna get stale
988061;1421949973;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo if you want advice, the best advice is, use curl to pull up a shiotton of feeds, create a script that greps it by keywords with weight, create another that searches for rare words, and sort the whole thing in that order.
988062;1421949977;mircea_popescu;then just go through the list.
988063;1421949981;mircea_popescu;no "social media" needed.
988064;1421949994;undata;quick update before I dive into bezzeland biz, I bought deedbot.org for deed bundles, and the thing's two cron jobs and some code cleanup from being ready
988065;1421950006;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: Sure, but that way there's less yelling at people.
988066;1421950010;mircea_popescu;undata cool!
988067;1421950031;pete_dushenski;BingoBoingo fine, no divorce day then!
988068;1421950048;BingoBoingo;pete_dushenski: No, the rest of you can divorce if you want.
988069;1421950061;pete_dushenski;sniff, it wouldn't be the same...
988070;1421950111;mircea_popescu;you folks ever did teh divorce emo-scam ?
988071;1421950145;chetty;http://apnews.myway.com/article/20150122/lt--argentina-prosecutor_killed-af1cdb5d41.html
988072;1421950145;assbot;My Way News - Argentina president says prosecutor death was not suicide ... ( http://bit.ly/1Cj9ABA )
988073;1421950161;mircea_popescu;o.O
988074;1421950168;mircea_popescu;wait. Cristina ?!
988075;1421950297;mircea_popescu;!gettrust jankoxp
988076;1421950297;assbot;jankoxp is not registered in WoT.
988077;1421950338;pete_dushenski;and here i was thinking that cristina ordered the thing
988078;1421950364;mircea_popescu;i was thinking the same think, an' even said some pretty hard words about teh woman
988079;1421950398;pete_dushenski;her's is a convenient reaction, perhaps
988080;1421950406;pete_dushenski;take the words out of everyone's mouth
988081;1421950414;mircea_popescu;or deprs who have a lot more to lose than her moving on their own accord.
988082;1421950544;pete_dushenski;i wouldn't think that the argentinian powers that be would move entirely independently from cristina
988083;1421950567;mircea_popescu;depends. she's old.
988084;1421950591;pete_dushenski;but she's in the top office
988085;1421950604;pete_dushenski;she didn't trip, fall, and land there quite by accident
988086;1421950617;pete_dushenski;she must have support from somewhere. she must.
988087;1421950620;mircea_popescu;yea, actually, she did.
988088;1421950626;mircea_popescu;her husband put her in so he can come back, then died.
988089;1421950631;mircea_popescu;the exact definition of "by accident"
988090;1421950652;pete_dushenski;a i c
988091;1421950672;davout;lol
988092;1421950710;pete_dushenski;but she's remained there for 8 years...
988093;1421950721;pete_dushenski;so she must still be pumping the right tires
988094;1421950732;pete_dushenski;or she'd have been out on her ass within the first year
988095;1421950742;mircea_popescu;you don't understand how oficialismo works.
988096;1421950755;mircea_popescu;as long as they didn't find her in bed with a live girl or a dead boy...
988097;1421950777;pete_dushenski;ha
988098;1421950800;pete_dushenski;oficialismo is a south american thing or just argentina ?
988099;1421950818;mircea_popescu;complicated, but in this particular nuance argentina.
988100;1421950825;mircea_popescu;venezuela has it's own thing.
988101;1421950892;mircea_popescu;!up chetty
988102;1421951017;Naphex;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d0o3TwZ6iE8
988103;1421951018;assbot;Platteland (1995) -- Roger Ballen - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1Cjcs1n )
988104;1421951071;mircea_popescu;fluffypony ^ ?
988105;1421951088;fluffypony;lol
988106;1421951109;mircea_popescu;sorry, you're my expert on the ground in sa, which interests me.
988107;1421951114;mircea_popescu;you're stuck with random pings
988108;1421951143;fluffypony;reporting live from the heart ^z^z^z^z leafy coastal suburbs of South Africa!
988109;1421951185;ben_vulpes;http://bubblear.com/224-accusation-unrest-last-nights-nisman-protest/ << mircea_popescu, for contrast to your claims re nisman silence
988110;1421951187;assbot;Just a moment... ... ( http://bit.ly/1Bi7fVU )
988111;1421951202;ben_vulpes;(bubblear known derps, but nevertheless)
988112;1421951216;mircea_popescu;lol
988113;1421951248;davout;fluffypony: afrikaans sounds so weird to a dutch speaker
988114;1421951249;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes well they're cloudfired so i can'tsee it. what's the claim in summary ?
988115;1421951263;davout;zo raar joh
988116;1421951266;fluffypony;davout: I can imagine - Dutch sounds bizarre to my ears
988117;1421951276;mircea_popescu;davout the mugs look so weird to a mug-ologist!
988118;1421951280;fluffypony;!up rdymac
988119;1421951314;davout;to a dutch person, an afrikaner sounds somewhat like a drunk belgian
988120;1421951324;fluffypony;hah hah
988121;1421951328;mircea_popescu;lmao
988122;1421951341;mircea_popescu;valoon ?
988123;1421951360;rdymac;Thx
988124;1421951365;davout;nee, een vlaams
988125;1421951369;fluffypony;to a South African, Dutch people sound pretentious...but after beer #3 nobody cares and we're all the best of friends
988126;1421951379;mircea_popescu;een vlaams lol
988127;1421951382;davout;lol
988128;1421951402;mircea_popescu;pleesee loongeer vowweels
988129;1421951426;mircea_popescu;because we live in hillcoutntry, and it's one to the hill and in the fog.
988130;1421951433;davout;you know what they say about men with big feet?
988131;1421951434;mircea_popescu;can't hear each ootheer
988132;1421951452;Naphex;http://www.rogerballen.com/platteland/ - those snaps
988133;1421951455;assbot;Platteland | Roger Ballen Photography ... ( http://bit.ly/1CjdJ8q )
988134;1421951458;mircea_popescu;no, but i know what they do to girls with big butts.
988135;1421951479;davout;:D
988136;1421951480;fluffypony;actually the one thing that irritates me about Afrikaans is the double-negative, as in "ek het dit nie gesien nie" (literally: I have it not seen not)
988137;1421951492;fluffypony;like isn't one negative enough?
988138;1421951502;rdymac;The case of Nisman is obviously a really bad way to shut that guy
988139;1421951537;mircea_popescu;no, it's not./
988140;1421951537;ben_vulpes;cloudfuxxed
988141;1421951540;chetty;yeah but it spreads fear and shuts up more people
988142;1421951543;davout;fluffypony: but it sounds like the second negative doesn't actually count, amirite?
988143;1421951545;ben_vulpes;mircea_popescu: more or less that "there were peepul!"
988144;1421951551;mircea_popescu;chetty i somewhat doubt that was the plan.
988145;1421951564;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes i didn't see it. obviously i don't keep the entire city under surveillance.
988146;1421951567;fluffypony;davout: yeah, and if you forget it then suddenly the sentence no longer "makes sense"
988147;1421951571;ben_vulpes;http://www.bubblear.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/01/03plaza.jpg << the wide shot isn't even terrifically convincing.
988148;1421951571;assbot;Just a moment... ... ( http://bit.ly/1CjdYR1 )
988149;1421951572;rdymac;It was not a suicide. The truth will be known way after, when it doesn't affect anymore the president
988150;1421951574;mircea_popescu;but you'd expect i'd see it. or at any rate i do.
988151;1421951575;davout;fluffypony: LOL
988152;1421951595;mircea_popescu;davout the negative doesn't actually cunt, you're right. yes means anal.
988153;1421951627;davout;mircea_popescu: you're such a mean harassing and hateful individual, also privilege
988154;1421951642;mircea_popescu;no means yes. no but no means no.
988155;1421951645;mircea_popescu;understand rape culture.
988156;1421951653;fluffypony;I thought davout was the mean harassing person for all the gavinharassing in that IRC log?
988157;1421951658;davout;i have a lot to learn
988158;1421951665;mircea_popescu;gavinherring is not a woman.
988159;1421951671;fluffypony;the reddits were all "OMG GAVIN HAS THE PATIENCE OF A GOD. HE IS TRULY A SAINT."
988160;1421951682;mircea_popescu;tho he possibly crosdressed in the past
988161;1421951689;mircea_popescu;seeing how satoshi may well have been
988162;1421951691;davout;fluffypony: no today i was the leave-the-pronoun-switcher-alone bullying individual
988163;1421951697;fluffypony;oh yes
988164;1421951701;fluffypony;ont he twitterz
988165;1421951703;ben_vulpes;davout: leave britney alone
988166;1421951709;fluffypony;you know the redditards are going to get you murdered off twitter
988167;1421951718;mircea_popescu;no that's not murder.
988168;1421951722;mircea_popescu;only when he does it.
988169;1421951725;fluffypony;especially on a day like today when Bitcointalk is down
988170;1421951730;fluffypony;they have nothing better to do
988171;1421951732;mircea_popescu;davout who are you going to twitterkill btw ?
988172;1421951743;fluffypony;I vote for Roger Ver
988173;1421951750;mircea_popescu;dude can't he pick his own ?
988174;1421951768;mircea_popescu;davout : TRIGGER WARNING!!!
988175;1421951769;davout;then comes along this random neckbeard, pretend-cto, that would totally penetrate my security, if only he had some time
988176;1421951774;fluffypony;no! he must be decentralised and let us vote!
988177;1421951788;davout;i dunno, i already did aanontop once or twice
988178;1421951796;davout;now i'm blocked, gotta find another one
988179;1421951853;mircea_popescu;wait, tardstalk is STILL down ?
988180;1421951883;davout;mircea_popescu: not enough donations it appears
988181;1421951885;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo i will bet you that this is in no way upgrade related. has that smell of panic resulting from legal process.
988182;1421951886;kakobrekla;how long has it been? not much?
988183;1421951895;mircea_popescu;kakobrekla qntra reported it yest.
988184;1421951909;kakobrekla;a
988185;1421951910;davout;they said it was hdd failure
988186;1421951925;mircea_popescu;lol ?!
988187;1421951925;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: Post is updated this morning to include their claim of hdd failure
988188;1421951926;jurov;you know, some hdds escaped... will take at least days till they catch all of them
988189;1421951945;mircea_popescu;and here i thought hotswappable arrays are common practice.
988190;1421951954;Naphex;jurov: well i'll telly ou, that if you don't have spare hdd's
988191;1421951963;davout;their HDDs were victim of their own success
988192;1421951964;Naphex;good luck finding compatible spares in less then 5 days
988193;1421951985;mircea_popescu;Naphex you know the marquardt idiot is sitting on like 5mn worth of donations / revenues ?
988194;1421951986;davout;or maybe it's their bank that's placing arbitrary access limits on their HDDs
988195;1421952001;Naphex;mircea_popescu: yeah, i've heard. which makes it way worsse
988196;1421952020;mircea_popescu;the plague of bitcoin : it empowered all sorts of people who, well... aren't really up to the task.
988197;1421952037;Naphex;not having spare hdd's available for your server, will make you rage so hard, while you call all the available suppliers
988198;1421952055;Naphex;ofcourse they won't have any available, especially for your raid
988199;1421952063;fluffypony;oh wow
988200;1421952069;fluffypony;I've just read the Twitter "thread"
988201;1421952072;mircea_popescu;Naphex the dcs that work with noobs generally (if well managed) do two things : only use a few specific types, and keep a supply on hand.
988202;1421952073;fluffypony;HE FORESAW THE VALUE COLLAPSE
988203;1421952082;fluffypony;he truly is the prophet of this generation
988204;1421952094;mircea_popescu;yeah, except "price collapse" != "value collapse".
988205;1421952119;Naphex;mircea_popescu: doubt anyone was monitoring those servers. HDD's give quite a few warnings before blowing up. Especially in raid setups
988206;1421952127;mircea_popescu;they may.
988207;1421952130;Naphex;red/yellow lights would be blinking
988208;1421952132;mircea_popescu;i have seen cases where they do not./
988209;1421952167;Naphex;prolly, but i'd rate that very rare events
988210;1421952168;adlai;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=22-01-2015#988045 << the trick is to kick it before you hit rock bottom, otherwise you keep saying, "oh, i haven't found the bottom yet, better seek onwards"
988211;1421952168;assbot;Logged on 22-01-2015 18:01:40; Pierre_Rochard: like any bad habit, you hit rock bottom at some point and rethink tings
988212;1421952169;fluffypony;it still boggles my mind that with all the donation money he can't afford to pay a part-time sysadmin to get them setup properly
988213;1421952182;mircea_popescu;Naphex very rare indeed.
988214;1421952199;fluffypony;it would take maybe a day to move that backend over to a Galera cluster
988215;1421952200;Naphex;i've had full hardware hosted and running for 6+ years. dozens of hdd's switched and replaced. maybe 1 complete raid failure on HP Proliants
988216;1421952226;fluffypony;how does he not understand points-of-failure?
988217;1421952233;mircea_popescu;Naphex i recently passed the 1k physical hdds lifetime award. and seen it exactly once.
988218;1421952260;mircea_popescu;fluffypony because he is a 24 yo derp exactly like any 24 yo derp you could get by sending a naked 23 yo hottie parading down the street.
988219;1421952260;Naphex;sounds right
988220;1421952289;Naphex;mircea_popescu: was using HP Proliants for a while, had one that the whole 8x raid array just barked, as soon as i replaced 1 hdd, the other would fail
988221;1421952296;Naphex;had to replace the whole array
988222;1421952324;adlai;re bct downtime... "is your hdd running? BETTER GO CATCH IT!"
988223;1421952325;thestringpuller;mircea_popescu: theymos is 24? Fuck I'm getting old.
988224;1421952338;adlai;hey that makes me feel young again! \o/
988225;1421952339;mircea_popescu;thestringpuller something like that, 23, 24
988226;1421952363;fluffypony;maybe he's related to usagi.
988227;1421952370;thestringpuller;^- lol
988228;1421952374;mircea_popescu;nah, usagi is mentally ill.
988229;1421952412;Naphex;maybe he used SSD's without the controller having TRIM support :))
988230;1421952420;Naphex;thats a new hipster way to blow up your stuff
988231;1421952444;fluffypony;lol
988232;1421952505;mircea_popescu;"Scientists have found that the 'cowgirl' position is responsible for half of all penile fractures during sexual intercourse"
988233;1421952531;mircea_popescu;this needed discovering.
988234;1421952544;mircea_popescu;wtf was it covered in ?
988235;1421952647;fluffypony;vigorous research
988236;1421952652;thestringpuller;huehue
988237;1421952656;mircea_popescu;lmao
988238;1421952996;mircea_popescu;https://safeorscam.com/karma << so is that pgp key block on the bottom of the page broken universally, or just MacGPG2 v2.0.17 decided to fork gnupg and not tell anyone ?
988239;1421953067;mircea_popescu;!up STRML
988240;1421953073;STRML;Thanks Mircea
988241;1421953091;STRML;Wanted to chime in, that key is working in gpgtools 1.5b2
988242;1421953124;STRML;there were some pretty serious bugs in some of the earlier 2.0.x versions, perhaps that is the issue
988243;1421953163;STRML;i'm on macgpg2 2.0.26
988244;1421953174;mircea_popescu;gpg: no valid OpenPGP data found. ius the very helpful error i get.
988245;1421953187;mircea_popescu;anyone with an actual (nix) gnupg care to check ?
988246;1421953226;mircea_popescu;http://40.media.tumblr.com/02d08070c291858320a1a4bc2719f279/tumblr_ng3vf2SjqH1s9e2ofo1_500.jpg << payment for your effort!
988247;1421953227;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1CjhA5n )
988248;1421953362;fluffypony;gpg: key 29D9246A: public key "Operation Atlas <admin@safeorscam.com>" imported
988249;1421953362;fluffypony;gpg: Total number processed: 1
988250;1421953363;fluffypony;gpg:               imported: 1  (RSA: 1)
988251;1421953363;fluffypony;works fine here
988252;1421953367;STRML;mircea_popescu: working in linux mint as well, although I get a message about an invalid armor header
988253;1421953383;mircea_popescu;hm
988254;1421953391;STRML;gpg: invalid armor header:
988255;1421953391;STRML;gpg: key 29D9246A: public key "Operation Atlas <admin@safeorscam.com>" imported
988256;1421953391;STRML;gpg: Total number processed: 1
988257;1421953393;STRML;gpg:               imported: 1  (RSA: 1)
988258;1421953414;fluffypony;STRML: that's because it's interpreting the \n as a line break
988259;1421953418;fluffypony;I think anyway
988260;1421953421;fluffypony;gpg: invalid armor header: mQINBE8wSNoBEAC3Bg08G6qZVa62svL60QktAWqWByK6MYaMc6MQOAQYXC3WxFtM\n
988261;1421953422;STRML;ah could be.
988262;1421953449;mircea_popescu;ah yeah, it works on stock ggp
988263;1421953912;mircea_popescu;an since there's two of you, http://36.media.tumblr.com/508f2365dc83e5147af096c30e0bd912/tumblr_ng3tnb7XDz1s9e2ofo1_500.jpg
988264;1421953913;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1CjjHGq )
988265;1421954008;kakobrekla;hmm
988266;1421954016;kakobrekla;i been there i think.
988267;1421954036;kakobrekla;just the timing was off apparently.
988268;1421954094;mircea_popescu;lol tis barcelona
988269;1421954149;STRML;I guess I live in the wrong city
988270;1421954150;mircea_popescu;http://40.media.tumblr.com/cfdfa563eb6ea4cbda85e0ce24b74776/tumblr_ng3sl8lacM1s9e2ofo1_500.jpg << this is what asciilifeform missed out on :D
988271;1421954151;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1CjkuqM )
988272;1421954219;mod6;dang
988273;1421954271;mircea_popescu;http://40.media.tumblr.com/c88fee11721145ae9fdb55d14a3e4d16/tumblr_ng3qxdgkxe1s9e2ofo1_500.jpg there you go mod6, moar outsdoor like, for you.
988274;1421954272;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1CjkRSc )
988275;1421954296;mod6;:D tyvm
988276;1421954335;mircea_popescu;http://40.media.tumblr.com/973de9a76c1d60f52173199e053d9e25/tumblr_ng3qs8sdhy1s9e2ofo1_500.jpg me, i'm more of a city type.
988277;1421954336;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1Cjl3RC )
988278;1421954815;mod6;now, there's a stress-free job. go around taking photos of those girls.
988279;1421954834;mod6;every day is a great day! lol
988280;1421955017;mircea_popescu;you know, it actually is pretty shitty a job ?
988281;1421955042;mircea_popescu;it doesn't pay that much, you have to travel a lot, and what you don't see is that most hourlong shots take like 4 or 5, because constant interruptions.
988282;1421955056;mircea_popescu;the one guy i knew that was best at it used to be a war photoreporter before.
988283;1421955088;mod6;huh.
988284;1421955143;mircea_popescu;myeah.
988285;1421955306;mod6;well, i guess i can imagine.
988286;1421955393;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo: Sounds like enough for almost everything but respectable BTC node << actually, if anyone could be arsed to publish a guide on "how to turn commercially available router into btc full node" i'd love him long time.
988287;1421955426;mircea_popescu;stuff like "desolder the 512mb card, replace with 128gb card" and "get kernel so and so in there" would be all fine.
988288;1421955454;mircea_popescu;if bitcoin nodes would cost something like 50 bucks and 6 hours' time off a computer-aware kid, that'd help immensely
988289;1421955477;mircea_popescu;because practically everyone has 4 hole router at home of which 2-3 holes are used. so get that plugged into the 4th and there we go, node problem fixed.
988290;1421955500;kakobrekla;i use all the holes
988291;1421955518;mod6;same
988292;1421955537;mircea_popescu;jesus
988293;1421955564;mod6;:D
988294;1421955616;mircea_popescu;you know if you use all the holes it means you got poor management
988295;1421955623;mircea_popescu;because there should be more holes being provisioned.
988296;1421955626;kakobrekla;very efficient
988297;1421955636;fluffypony;who even uses the holes, I use teh wifiez
988298;1421955645;fluffypony;wireless ALL of the things!
988299;1421955648;*;mod6 was on another tangent
988300;1421955669;*;kakobrekla switches tangent, not only routers
988301;1421955680;mircea_popescu;I USE ALL THE TANGENTS
988302;1421955694;kakobrekla;ascii has a tanget router
988303;1421955708;kakobrekla;prolly two.
988304;1421958363;kakobrekla;missed this somehow http://blog.stackoverflow.com/2015/01/andreessen-horowitz-invests-in-stack-exchange/?cb=1
988305;1421958365;assbot;Andreessen Horowitz Invests in Stack Exchange «  Blog – Stack Exchange ... ( http://bit.ly/1L3JiHD )
988306;1421958411;fluffypony;http://i.imgur.com/gQSDSOS.jpg
988307;1421958412;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1L3JoyT )
988308;1421958574;danielpbarron;"People emailed me saying she is not a dog so i googled llama and she is a llama, and I am keeping her because she already likes me and my house."
988309;1421959560;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: ... if anyone could be arsed to publish a guide on 'how to turn commercially available router into btc full node' << the gadget i mentioned earlier, plus process, only need a larger - 64G+ - usb drive, to make this go. but i did not publish instructions, because did not think anyone wanted this.
988310;1421959902;davout;mircea_popescu: lol tis barcelona <<< the one with the mcdonalds flag is totally amsterdam
988311;1421961133;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3399 @ 0.00049223 = 1.6731 BTC [-]
988312;1421961321;nubbins`;asciilifeform total cost?
988313;1421961355;*;nubbins` blindly shuffles through logs
988314;1421961436;BingoBoingo;nubbins`: What did woodcoddler do to Bitcointalk?
988315;1421961456;nubbins`;i think u.s. customs ordered them to take it offline
988316;1421961463;nubbins`;because of the illegal wood importation
988317;1421961753;nubbins`;wts silkscreened butterfly labs dildos
988318;1421961929;BingoBoingo;nubbins`: You know what would be an interesting twist of the laser carved scam?
988319;1421962005;thestringpuller;!up felipelalli
988320;1421962037;BingoBoingo;nubbins`: I'm thinking you set up the normal carved while you wait booth at the mall or carnival or whatever with your laser, but you plug in a joystick and a trackball to make it seem like you are piloting the laser manually.
988321;1421962067;nubbins`;heheh
988322;1421962074;nubbins`;semi-automatic
988323;1421962089;BingoBoingo;Seriously
988324;1421962114;BingoBoingo;Dude could call himself a master laserworker to get his margins back up
988325;1421962135;jurov;;;lasers
988326;1421962135;gribble;┌━ ┄ ┄ ┄ ┄ ┄ ┄ *pew!* *pew!* *pew!*
988327;1421962147;BingoBoingo;https://twitter.com/kari_paul/status/558351397503393793
988328;1421962149;assbot;Ulbricht's college buddy just testified that Ulbricht told him in November 2011 he had already sold Silk Road to someone else.
988329;1421962157;BingoBoingo;;;kittenlaser
988330;1421962157;gribble;Error: "kittenlaser" is not a valid command.
988331;1421962165;BingoBoingo;;;kittenlasers
988332;1421962165;gribble;Error: "kittenlasers" is not a valid command.
988333;1421962204;BingoBoingo;;;kittens
988334;1421962204;gribble;ุ ₍˄.͡˳̫.˄₎ ุ .･( meow! )
988335;1421962210;BingoBoingo;;;laserkittens
988336;1421962211;gribble;ุ ₍˄.͡˳̫.˄₎ ุ ┌━ ┄ ┄ ┄ ┄ ┄ ┄ *pew*
988337;1421962293;midnightmagic;ehh..  the testimoney of a friend. what's that worth
988338;1421962346;BingoBoingo;probably some quanta of doubt
988339;1421962362;BingoBoingo;Convicting should be hard
988340;1421962398;danielpbarron;doesn't that testimony hurt him further? "he told me he stopped murdering in 2011"
988341;1421962485;BingoBoingo;danielpbarron: His lawyer's hand was already force into admitting he started it and was the bag holder. Right now the fight is to shave off charges and years in jail while setting up traps to get it overturned on appeal.
988342;1421962633;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: ideal candidate for an instant pocket-sized ~100 usd (largely cost of eeprom) node - miniature 'nas' devices. there are at least half a dozen manufacturers. not hard to do.
988343;1421962694;kakobrekla;or like hp microserver
988344;1421962758;jurov;dunno all these are only meagerly equipped with memory
988345;1421962781;jurov;was main reason why i went with miniitx
988346;1421962793;kakobrekla;16gig for the microserver
988347;1421962794;jurov;with full 8G ram
988348;1421962825;kakobrekla;prolly 100$ second hand, 200 or so new.
988349;1421962830;jurov;hp microserver with 16gigs for $100-200? where?
988350;1421962852;kakobrekla;was just stating max
988351;1421962862;kakobrekla;by default they come with 4 or 8 i think
988352;1421962895;kakobrekla;anyway i have one in my kitchen.
988353;1421963042;jurov;oh btw don't they have remote management like iLO? i'm not so superstitious like asciilifeform, but do avoid that, too
988354;1421963111;kakobrekla;that backdoor is sold separately
988355;1421963131;asciilifeform;imho, no to x86, no to fans, and ought to keep cost minimal.
988356;1421963284;kakobrekla;but yes for reliability. even if rpi wold be strong enough (hey he didnt say no to arm, though he prolly ment it) it wouldnt cut as the thing is fragile.
988357;1421963289;jurov;i was under impression all have ilo nowadays
988358;1421963305;kakobrekla;idk mebbe the new models
988359;1421963541;asciilifeform;'raspberry?' terrible, terrible i/o. ethernet on same usb as the storage. no thanks.
988360;1421963568;kakobrekla;yes i know its terrible
988361;1421963585;kakobrekla;prolly most chicom nas is same
988362;1421963657;kakobrekla;btw those ARM servers that got in france, more than qualified to run this
988363;1421963829;danielpbarron;https://bitcoinmagazine.com/19133/bitcoin-truly-decentralized-yes-important/#comment-1811838579
988364;1421963832;assbot;Is Bitcoin Truly Decentralized? Yes – and Here Is Why It's Important – Bitcoin Magazine ... ( http://bit.ly/1y4uQVl )
988365;1421963975;thestringpuller;can qntra just kill bitcoin magazine already?
988366;1421964019;jurov;another murderous rage victim?
988367;1421964114;jurov;let's decentralize our mind itself! i heard THC or LSD can be used
988368;1421964130;danielpbarron;voorhees pretending MPEx doesn't exist
988369;1421964362;scoopbot;New post on Qntra.net by cazalla: http://qntra.net/2015/01/kidnappers-demand-ransom-be-paid-with-bitcoin/
988370;1421964372;BingoBoingo;danielpbarron: To be fair his settlement bars him from Bitcoin securities for a while
988371;1421964552;asciilifeform;kakobrekla: those ARM servers that got in france, more than qualified to run this << what do they cost? iirc mircea was asking for a dirt-cheap gadget
988372;1421964569;kakobrekla;cant be bought afaik hehe
988373;1421964732;davout;danielpbarron: "voorhees pretending MPEx doesn't exist" <<< how is he doing that?
988374;1421964835;danielpbarron;his opening argument is about how coinbase is the premire bitcoin service
988375;1421964968;davout;ah
988376;1421964980;danielpbarron;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GbR6iQ62v9k << live troll box!
988377;1421964982;assbot;The YouTube Interview with President Obama - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1y4zJOi )
988378;1421965448;asciilifeform;kakobrekla: i was sorta assuming that mircea was posing the problem of whether a node could be optimized for 1) minimal cost 2) physical compactness in that order, perhaps to be airdropped behind enemy lines
988379;1421965497;kakobrekla;aha prolly yea
988380;1421965550;danielpbarron;wow, the topic of "cyber security" is being covered by someone named "GloZell," a youtuber famous for filling her bathtub with milk and cereal and swiming in it
988381;1421965709;mircea_popescu;not bad.
988382;1421965826;asciilifeform;jurov: to pose the question of 'hardware diddlery' for a machine in one's kitchen, can be called superstition; to pose the same question re: xxx thousand physically identical bitcoin nodes airdropped over enemy country, is stark rationality.
988383;1421965827;mircea_popescu;http://40.media.tumblr.com/6dacbc6201bea84c969f0ea3b0b86d2f/tumblr_ng3pe9d8Sy1s9e2ofo1_500.jpg (also not bad)
988384;1421965828;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1y4Dfs2 )
988385;1421966114;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo lol who the fuck is badbitcoin.org
988386;1421966162;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: Some derp "scam spotting" service.
988387;1421966188;mircea_popescu;yeah but i mean, who as in what person.
988388;1421966204;mircea_popescu;"Declaration of Interest. We have investments in Paycoin (XPY) and in GAW. We invest in order to generate funds to continue running this site. We would not invest in anything we considered to be a Ponzi or Scam. We have exercised due diligence and believe this to be a trustworthy company and project. We also provide links to trusted 3rd party sites.
988389;1421966204;mircea_popescu;January 2015"
988390;1421966206;mircea_popescu;ok nevermind.
988391;1421966226;mircea_popescu;looked a lot like astroturf, turns out it is exactly astroturf.
988392;1421966248;davout;so many chumps, so little time
988393;1421966291;BingoBoingo;And astroturf is a phenomenon, not a who
988394;1421966342;mircea_popescu;http://36.media.tumblr.com/830bd8bbae0d70d3020f2db089f7be92/tumblr_ng3p4sXH621s9e2ofo1_500.jpg
988395;1421966344;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1y4Fqf5 )
988396;1421966413;mircea_popescu;davout so will you be able to take over if/when bitpay croaks ?
988397;1421966486;mircea_popescu;davout: thestringpuller: you're australian amirite? << no, he
988398;1421966497;mircea_popescu;'s our token black guy. cazalla is the token ozian.
988399;1421966502;davout;yeah, he's a cowboy
988400;1421966519;davout;re bitpay i have no idea
988401;1421966553;kakobrekla;most 'merchants' be in merrica
988402;1421966553;davout;the way i see it the payment bzns is just as an extra pipe to bring volume to the exchange
988403;1421966557;mircea_popescu;well... payments.
988404;1421966576;davout;yep
988405;1421966583;mircea_popescu;kakobrekla i ask specifically because i have a coupla derps im paying via bitpay currently.
988406;1421966590;BingoBoingo;!up cazalla
988407;1421966591;davout;kakobrekla: i can't america, because fatca
988408;1421966599;kakobrekla;i kno
988409;1421966610;mircea_popescu;backup plans never hurt. once they go "well wtf we do nao, we don't want to lose your $xxxx" i just go "use this" and end of story.
988410;1421966702;mircea_popescu;this shit's fascinating. davout's article ? 2 comments. reddit pseudo-discussion of the topic ? >100 comments.
988411;1421966715;mircea_popescu;echo chamber be echotastic.
988412;1421966775;jurov;can't get karma from comments on davouts blog
988413;1421966778;mircea_popescu;kakobrekla: i think i just blown my retard-o-meter << who's "kristo atlas" again ? not the actual atlas ?!
988414;1421966786;jurov;not bittips :)
988415;1421966789;jurov;*nor
988416;1421966797;kakobrekla;nfi
988417;1421966806;mircea_popescu;such weird.
988418;1421966820;mircea_popescu;jurov: don't copy that stuff here then. can cause murderous rage for mircea_popescu, ben_vulpes and others << j knows.
988419;1421966854;kakobrekla;https://bitcoinpresscenter.org/presscontact/kristov-atlas
988420;1421966856;assbot;Kristov Atlas | Bitcoin Press Center ... ( http://bit.ly/1y4HB28 )
988421;1421966861;mircea_popescu;but seriously : so the people too dumb to participate in the actual bitcoin discussion, here, eitehr because they can't get an irc client going or because they can't gpg or whatever, because their windows doesn't come with a "b-a button", sit somewhere and derp.
988422;1421966868;mircea_popescu;good for em lol
988423;1421966900;mircea_popescu;BitcoinRole: "Entrepreneur, Writer" ? srsly ?
988424;1421966903;mircea_popescu;never heard of him.
988425;1421966919;kakobrekla;Kristov is the author of "Anonymous Bitcoin: How to Keep Your ฿ All to Yourself," available for sale at  http://anonymousbitcoinbook.com.
988426;1421966920;assbot;  Anonymous Bitcoin: How to Keep Your B All to Yourself – Anonymous Bitcoin Book   ... ( http://bit.ly/1y4HUKs )
988427;1421966950;mircea_popescu;also never heard of it.
988428;1421966956;kakobrekla;just
988429;1421966969;mircea_popescu;somehow, we all manage, inexplicably.
988430;1421967014;mircea_popescu;assbot: Bitcoin Forum Bitcointalk is Down due to Disk Failure - Data Lost << bs. he got served, panicked and deleted the data.
988431;1421967033;kakobrekla;last few hrs only ?
988432;1421967033;mircea_popescu;methinks we see a jailed & pardoned marquardt show up here to "talk business" within the year.
988433;1421967052;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: ... i have a coupla derps im paying via bitpay << lol!! srsly ? in usa, no less?
988434;1421967066;kakobrekla;https://twitter.com/bitcointalk/status/558273534393217024
988435;1421967068;assbot;Data since Jan 21 21:44 UTC will not be automatically recovered, though if anything important was lost, I might be able to find it manually.
988436;1421967084;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform at least some.
988437;1421967093;cazalla;bitcoinpresscenter.org was andreas derps response after he was denied a listing on some other bitcoin site from memory
988438;1421967107;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: mind-blowing
988439;1421967115;mircea_popescu;kakobrekla hm. well... mebbe.
988440;1421967117;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform why ?
988441;1421967139;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: i guess no good reason.
988442;1421967142;mircea_popescu;cazalla so basically this is the o'reilly flavour of astroturfed "bitcoin experts" ?
988443;1421967184;jurov;let's call them honey badgers
988444;1421967198;mircea_popescu;*: danielpbarron seriously doubts it will be on freenode in 20 years, or if there will even be a freenode << as far as freenode is concenred, i am agreed. however, b-a is 4ever!
988445;1421967213;mircea_popescu;jurov i dun recall, what's that reference ?
988446;1421967229;scoopbot;New post on Qntra.net by Bingo Boingo: http://qntra.net/2015/01/group-proposes-bitcoin-wallet-privacy-ratings-criteria/
988447;1421967257;jurov;mircea_popescu: animals on book covers
988448;1421967267;mircea_popescu;oh oh
988449;1421967281;jurov;http://www.wired.com/2013/12/bitcoin_honey/ and this ofs
988450;1421967283;assbot;How Bitcoin Became the Honey Badger of Money | WIRED ... ( http://bit.ly/1y4Jqfu )
988451;1421967312;mircea_popescu;http://40.media.tumblr.com/3e42f03b97fba1bd5302e2aea3abff40/tumblr_ng3ntwviXL1s9e2ofo1_500.jpg
988452;1421967313;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1y4JwnF )
988453;1421967337;jurov;i'm havin'it
988454;1421967348;jurov;or what was the mcd's slogan?
988455;1421967352;mircea_popescu;wow, conversion ?
988456;1421967375;jurov;jk
988457;1421967381;davout;LOL
988458;1421967392;mircea_popescu;maybe you're straight-curious :D
988459;1421967397;davout;lmao
988460;1421967410;jurov;yes, i'm curious :)
988461;1421967417;mircea_popescu;danielpbarron: if a tree falls in the woods, and nobody important was there to write about it, did it make a sound? << yes. after the beep, hear the sound it made.
988462;1421967421;mircea_popescu;*beep*
988463;1421967458;*;jurov farts
988464;1421967469;ben_vulpes;heyo terrists
988465;1421967474;ben_vulpes;no i'm not waking up late
988466;1421967486;mircea_popescu;lobbes: I'm glad I discovered this place, man. Otherwise I would have been led off the cliff a long time ago << yer welcome.
988467;1421967496;cazalla;jurov, lovin' it although they changed it to lovin' beats hatin' apparently http://blogs.wsj.com/cmo/2014/10/27/mcdonalds-preps-new-ad-push-trip-to-super-bowl-sources/
988468;1421967497;assbot;  McDonald’s Preps New Ad Push & Trip To Super Bowl -Sources - CMO Today - WSJ ... ( http://bit.ly/1y4KekG )
988469;1421967500;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes tell the sluts if they do this to you again i will hunt them down.
988470;1421967541;ben_vulpes;i can just imagine them frolicking squealing naked through the woods
988471;1421967545;mircea_popescu;jurov pls to look in bash mod queue ?
988472;1421967560;ben_vulpes;"popescu is coming! popescu is coming!"
988473;1421967568;mircea_popescu;http://41.media.tumblr.com/a87c218093b4f352dce407fb63ff5f8b/tumblr_ng3nof8hHo1s9e2ofo1_500.jpg close enough
988474;1421967570;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1y4KwIq )
988475;1421967572;ben_vulpes;"IN YOUR ENDO, HOOOOORES"
988476;1421967573;jurov;there are only 3 items in the bash q
988477;1421967583;jurov;kako taketh away
988478;1421967606;mircea_popescu;hoary whores!
988479;1421967669;jurov;approved
988480;1421967674;ben_vulpes;<jurov> don't copy that stuff here then. can cause murderous rage for mircea_popescu, ben_vulpes  and others << my murderous rage reservoir is depleted
988481;1421967682;kakobrekla;yeah
988482;1421967691;ben_vulpes;i'm cut all the way over to gleeful wanton murder today
988483;1421967694;kakobrekla;i would just take the last line of the last bash
988484;1421967702;kakobrekla;errything else trash
988485;1421967711;ben_vulpes;"HTML? SUUURE! IMMA BILL YOU LIKE AN HOUR FOR THAT! ON CALL? SURE! THAT'S LIKE 3 HOURS EASY PEASY!
988486;1421967748;jurov;you said you're depleted?
988487;1421967755;ben_vulpes;that's not rage
988488;1421967756;ben_vulpes;that's glee
988489;1421967759;ben_vulpes;but all caps glee
988490;1421967769;jurov;kk
988491;1421967801;BingoBoingo;ben_vulpes had an overflow in his rage buffer
988492;1421967807;ben_vulpes;it's like one of those "so bad its good" things but it's more like "so pissed at computers i've now got ptsd and 'shall we over the trenches for fun tonight fellas?'"
988493;1421967848;ben_vulpes;!up yhwh_
988494;1421967850;ben_vulpes;got tablets?
988495;1421968072;mircea_popescu;mthreat http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2921642/Group-Jewish-backpackers-tortured-hours-Argentinian-hostel-locals-chanted-trying-Patagonia.html << you ever heard of this !?
988496;1421968074;assbot;Jewish backpackers tortured for hours in Argentinian hostel by locals | Daily Mail Online ... ( http://bit.ly/1y4MsAC )
988497;1421968089;mircea_popescu;one week it's the imaginary tampon shortage, the next week it's the roasted jews...
988498;1421968371;ben_vulpes;<davout> [] https://twitter.com/OtaK_/status/558321238230462464 <<< this replace-pronouns twitter butthurt flow seems to be attracting a whole new level of stupid << i don't get the 140 character
988499;1421968373;assbot;It’s really smart as a business owner to go around publicly harassing people /davoutplantaire http://t.co/3MvaixKHb5
988500;1421968374;ben_vulpes;thing
988501;1421968429;BingoBoingo;ben_vulpes: It's stuck that way because SMS messages.
988502;1421968436;danielpbarron;ben_vulpes, twitter started as an SMS service, and tweets were limited to what could be sent via text
988503;1421968447;ben_vulpes;...
988504;1421968453;ben_vulpes;no i get the history and the technology, asshats.
988505;1421968469;BingoBoingo;Ah.
988506;1421968486;kakobrekla;sms is 160 chars
988507;1421968496;danielpbarron;20 chars for username
988508;1421968529;ben_vulpes;fucking sms.
988509;1421968575;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 37400 @ 0.00049027 = 18.3361 BTC [-] {2} 
988510;1421968591;BingoBoingo;SMS is a scam anyway
988511;1421968687;mircea_popescu;http://www.lanacion.com.ar/1762050-violento-ataque-antisemita-en-un-hostel-de-lago-puelo-en-chubut << this one apparently actually happened
988512;1421968689;assbot;Violento ataque antisemita en un hostel de Lago Puelo, en Chubut - 22.01.2015 - lanacion.com   ... ( http://bit.ly/1y4OKje )
988513;1421969110;mircea_popescu;http://41.media.tumblr.com/23b089cf4e2a31310c74322cfc25a1ed/tumblr_ng3lecDThG1s9e2ofo1_500.jpg
988514;1421969111;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1y4QoBi )
988515;1421969185;undata;http://blogs.blackberry.com/2015/01/blackberry-net-neutrality/ << bb having been beaten to a pulp, demands the state level the playing field
988516;1421969186;assbot;Net Neutrality: No on Reclassification, Yes on Adding Content & App Providers | Inside BlackBerry ... ( http://bit.ly/1y4QF7i )
988517;1421969227;BingoBoingo;https://twitter.com/anjiecast/status/558403460056772608
988518;1421969229;assbot;Sophistication of SOTU addresses has steadily dropped over time http://t.co/FUvzoUJLSf /hashtag/democracy?src=hash HT /Outsideness http://t.co/2dQgGpo4dB
988519;1421969299;BingoBoingo;undata: Wait until they demand the new reference bitcoin client and gossipd build on windows
988520;1421969310;mircea_popescu;demands are cheap.
988521;1421969338;undata;BingoBoingo: alarms going off... "hurry undata... achieve escape velocity!"
988522;1421969348;*;undata types furiously
988523;1421969365;ben_vulpes;http://www.mercenarytrader.com/2015/01/baby-got-black-swan/
988524;1421969368;assbot;  Baby Got Black (Swan) | Mercenary Trader ... ( http://bit.ly/1y4Rmxq )
988525;1421969429;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19700 @ 0.00049947 = 9.8396 BTC [+]
988526;1421970659;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=22-01-2015#988309 << asciilifeform pls to put very detailed, complete instructions on your blog, plus pictures! this is really very nice and good.
988527;1421970659;assbot;Logged on 22-01-2015 20:46:00; asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: ... if anyone could be arsed to publish a guide on 'how to turn commercially available router into btc full node' << the gadget i mentioned earlier, plus process, only need a larger - 64G+ - usb drive, to make this go. but i did not publish instructions, because did not think anyone wanted this.
988528;1421970712;mircea_popescu;davout: the one with the mcdonalds flag is totally amsterdam << shit you're right
988529;1421970720;mircea_popescu;diff shot in barcelona.
988530;1421970779;mthreat;mircea_popescu: hadn't seen that article... but lots of ex-germans in them there parts of patagonia
988531;1421970794;mircea_popescu;midnightmagic: ehh.. the testimoney of a friend. what's that worth << sworn testimony is sworn testimony. unless the witness gets impeached, it's worth as much as an employee's testimony
988532;1421970807;mircea_popescu;(which is every single agent guy)
988533;1421970817;mircea_popescu;mthreat apparently it actually happened.
988534;1421970910;BingoBoingo;O.o http://thebulletin.org/multimedia/it-3-minutes-midnight
988535;1421970911;assbot;It is 3 minutes to midnight | Bulletin of the Atomic Scientists ... ( http://bit.ly/1y4XaqB )
988536;1421970938;BingoBoingo;http://thebulletin.org/press-release/press-release-it-now-3-minutes-midnight7950
988537;1421970939;assbot;Press release: It is now 3 minutes to midnight | Bulletin of the Atomic Scientists ... ( http://bit.ly/1y4Xg1v )
988538;1421970970;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform: imho, no to x86, no to fans, and ought to keep cost minimal. << yes.
988539;1421971190;mircea_popescu;maybe i'm not all together, but... what the fuck does stackexchange need 40mn for ?
988540;1421971214;mircea_popescu;i mean, i like spolsky and errything. but...
988541;1421971501;nubbins`;https://twitter.com/bitcointalk
988542;1421971503;assbot;BitcoinTalk (@bitcointalk) | Twitter ... ( http://bit.ly/1y4Ziig )
988543;1421971503;nubbins`;someone with a twatter account ask thermos to manually restore the woodcollector scamzor thread
988544;1421971527;davout;nubbins`: i'll just post that in #bitcointalk-staff
988545;1421971533;nubbins`;o
988546;1421971552;nubbins`;tell him no sweat if all the nubbins rep threads don't get restored ;D
988547;1421971578;davout;hah, w/e not much ppl there, and no gribble, so no ;;later tell
988548;1421971592;mircea_popescu;gribble works globally!
988549;1421971616;nubbins`;http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/2t96w0/anybody_know_why_bitcointalk_is_down/cnxefyn
988550;1421971618;assbot;TheWoodCollector comments on Anybody know why bitcointalk is down? ... ( http://bit.ly/1y4ZJJo )
988551;1421971632;davout;mircea_popescu: how will it know theymos is around if doesn't hang out in a chan where gribble also idles?
988552;1421971640;nubbins`;"I dont have a youtube account. Well, didnt have a youtube account. With new accounts you can only upload 10 minute videos i just found out. My DSLR camcorder records 20 minutes of video at a time."
988553;1421971670;mircea_popescu;davout ah there is that.
988554;1421971687;davout;and afaik thermos isn't that big of an irc guy
988555;1421971730;davout;nubbins`: just make a fake expert woodcarver competitor account, you'll probably get a whole extra load of lulz out of it
988556;1421971736;davout;when it comes back
988557;1421971739;mircea_popescu;lmao
988558;1421971743;Apocalyptic;davout, I've seen him idling in #bitcoin recently
988559;1421971746;mircea_popescu;why!
988560;1421971757;nubbins`;my dslr will take a minimum of 20 minutes of video at a time
988561;1421971758;nubbins`;lelelel
988562;1421971769;mircea_popescu;"I NEVER SAID THAT IT WAS FROM MY OWN MIND, I HAVE ALREADY SAID THAT I USED STOCK IMAGES ON SOME OF THE PIECES. that is not a crime, i own the rights to them. 70% of your metal coins on the forum have stock image elements on them. Better start a dozen more witch hunts."
988563;1421971781;mircea_popescu;handcarved stock image!
988564;1421971813;davout;a screencap of a stock picture is OC!1 genius!
988565;1421971815;*;mircea_popescu goes to starred restaurant, orders happy meal. they put one together by hand. me is gratified.
988566;1421971826;davout;lol
988567;1421971863;mircea_popescu;"you know you could have had duck a la reine for the same money ?"
988568;1421971867;mircea_popescu;"what's money."
988569;1421971925;mircea_popescu;in other news, http://36.media.tumblr.com/9cebc0d25b6527f339ca7a05bc59a012/tumblr_ng3je7D9CM1s9e2ofo1_500.jpg
988570;1421971926;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1y50Eto )
988571;1421971943;mircea_popescu;"agricultrice francaise"
988572;1421972126;davout;et ce n'est pas le champ que ca me donne envie de labourer...
988573;1421972143;mircea_popescu;<:D
988574;1421972178;mircea_popescu;(it's not labour, it's to plow. false friend :D)
988575;1421972198;mircea_popescu;while in english women go into labour, in french men labour to send them there.
988576;1421972233;davout;semantically the french "labourer" is a subset of "to labour"
988577;1421972251;davout;as in "one particular kind of work"
988578;1421972279;mircea_popescu;:p
988579;1421972383;mircea_popescu;davout actually the best continuation of the laser handcarving drama would be if the guy turns out to be a midget chinese woman that does it with her nails.
988580;1421972426;davout;that stock photographers stole from?
988581;1421972459;mircea_popescu;lol no, actually copies stock photos for no discernible reason.
988582;1421972469;mircea_popescu;just you know, pure absurdism.
988583;1421972525;davout;i can taste the absurd
988584;1421972558;BingoBoingo;I'm telling you the better version of this scam would be an artisan laser etching booth with a placebo joystick.
988585;1421972574;mircea_popescu;that would be pretty cool too
988586;1421972612;BingoBoingo;"hand guided laser etching"
988587;1421972631;mircea_popescu;no magnifying glass or anything right ?
988588;1421972673;BingoBoingo;Of course not. It's a carnival barker's scam.
988589;1421972676;mircea_popescu;http://40.media.tumblr.com/f0052b5e9c40283fe9a86fa64ea0b7b8/tumblr_ng3fjklqmB1s9e2ofo1_500.jpg << that obnoxious moment when not only your younger sister has better boobage... but she outruns you, too.
988590;1421972677;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1y53bUr )
988591;1421972679;mircea_popescu;#girlhate
988592;1421972934;mircea_popescu;!up nijotz
988593;1421973000;nijotz;mircea_popescu: danke
988594;1421973004;mircea_popescu;sure.
988595;1421973011;nijotz;I'll have to look into this web of trust rating
988596;1421973048;mircea_popescu;defo.
988597;1421973333;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8847 @ 0.00050317 = 4.4515 BTC [+] {2} 
988598;1421974075;davout;that pronoun-gate keeps delivering
988599;1421974141;mircea_popescu;lol
988600;1421974218;davout;http://i.imgur.com/eAGlewn.png
988601;1421974219;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1E7PeNR )
988602;1421974323;BingoBoingo;My two favorite parts of speech to use "Fuck" as are pronoun and adverb. "Stupid fuck, stop fuckly jumping around like a fuck."
988603;1421974471;davout;BingoBoingo: which makes me think of -> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aR9KUaOlxpk
988604;1421974473;assbot;François Pérusse - Apprendre l'anglais - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1BiUuKZ )
988605;1421974488;davout;"Learn english"
988606;1421974885;mircea_popescu;sooo... camembert pizza. who knew.
988607;1421974919;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6700 @ 0.00049015 = 3.284 BTC [-]
988608;1421975049;davout;mircea_popescu: 60 million french people
988609;1421975062;mircea_popescu;what can i tell ye.
988610;1421975126;mircea_popescu;http://qntra.net/2015/01/bitcoin-finance-in-2014/ << i thought this was pretty great writing from mike_c
988611;1421975127;assbot;Bitcoin Finance in 2014 | Qntra.net ... ( http://bit.ly/1E7Ru7J )
988612;1421975131;mircea_popescu;!up Foptork
988613;1421975141;mike_c;thank you!
988614;1421975237;asciilifeform;http://www.loper-os.org/?p=8&cpage=1#comment-17069 << comments from folks who won't learn to read are annoying
988615;1421975239;assbot;Loper OS » Intro, Part II. ... ( http://bit.ly/1E7ROmM )
988616;1421975344;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: router... instructions << see this site: http://rtfm.net/FreeBSD/ERL >> the only modification is, take a larger usb flash drive, follow his gpart resize instructions.
988617;1421975345;assbot;    FreeBSD 10.x on Ubiquiti EdgeRouter Lite   ... ( http://bit.ly/1BiW8MC )
988618;1421975373;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: near the end of that page there is a script for cross-compile to mips on a larger machine (e.g. x86)
988619;1421975414;pete_dushenski;stan can it be true that you haven't written an article in 7 months ??
988620;1421975424;pete_dushenski;seems like you had a solid streak going
988621;1421975435;asciilifeform;pete_dushenski: it's true. largely on account of being very busy with actual work.
988622;1421975449;asciilifeform;pete_dushenski: i generally don't write the kind of article that doesn't require at least a full day's concentration.
988623;1421975479;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: i'm not certain, however, that 'edgerouter' would be the optimal candidate for the mega-cheap node. the device itself is around 100 usd, and a decently large flash drive is yet again a quarter of that.
988624;1421975505;asciilifeform;what did we need these for again...?
988625;1421975512;pete_dushenski;asciilifeform that effort definitely comes through!
988626;1421975550;asciilifeform;pete_dushenski: glad you enjoyed the articles. i actually have a new one in the works, but - no time presently to finish it.
988627;1421975594;asciilifeform;(it was to concern the usg dept. of firmware-diddlers)
988628;1421975595;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform so that anyone can make one, and perhaps some of the redditards actually will.
988629;1421975599;pete_dushenski;ah well looking forward to it
988630;1421975602;nubbins`;"The battery just died in my camera, so i am taking a quick break"
988631;1421975607;nubbins`;-woodcollector
988632;1421975726;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: it would be quite simple to distribute a binary image that a monkey could pipe to usb flash and insert. for man, rather than monkey, one would prefer a 'thebitcoin.foundation'-style cookbook with signed configs/patches...
988633;1421975737;mircea_popescu;or a blogpost.
988634;1421975739;mircea_popescu;anything.
988635;1421975753;mircea_popescu;i just want a single item containing absolutely 100% everything that is needed, with no references.
988636;1421975760;mircea_popescu;none of "go here and it's 95% good"
988637;1421975786;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: do you have a favourite piece of hardware in mind? preferably one which you know to be readily available around the world.
988638;1421975803;mircea_popescu;nope. i was trying to shoehorn into your recent research.
988639;1421975807;asciilifeform;aha
988640;1421975814;*;asciilifeform thinks
988641;1421975815;mircea_popescu;since you did all that anyway
988642;1421975837;kakobrekla;hook it up to anonibox!
988643;1421975838;nubbins`;two raspberry pis for the cost of a $100 router :P
988644;1421975851;mircea_popescu;yeh a $100 router is a bit rich.
988645;1421975862;asciilifeform;nubbins`: go try set up a node (any version of bitcoind you like) on 'raspberry'.
988646;1421975866;mircea_popescu;nubbins` is the raspberry still on a queue ? or they worked itthrough yet ?
988647;1421975867;nubbins`;8)
988648;1421975867;undata;it will never sync
988649;1421975872;undata;the pi is teeerrible
988650;1421975876;asciilifeform;nubbins`: they used a defective i/o chip, which is abominably slow
988651;1421975878;nubbins`;mp they're freely available these days
988652;1421975882;mircea_popescu;aok
988653;1421975887;nubbins`;asciilifeform even the "B+" version?
988654;1421975908;nubbins`;http://www.raspberrypi.org/products/model-b-plus/
988655;1421975909;assbot;Model B+ | Raspberry Pi ... ( http://bit.ly/1E7TGw5 )
988656;1421975909;undata;if the tutorial included bootstrap.dat maybe, and even then would take a lifetime to catch up from there
988657;1421975910;asciilifeform;even it.
988658;1421975923;pete_dushenski;mike_c your year-in-review just reminded me about just-dice...
988659;1421975948;pete_dushenski;i was thinking that someone in the wot needs to get a dice site going and i was going to see if j-d was in need of a new owner but it looks like it's still running?
988660;1421975955;mike_c;yeah.  what a money spout that thing was. i miss it.
988661;1421975956;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 55700 @ 0.00048217 = 26.8569 BTC [-] {2} 
988662;1421975961;mike_c;j-d now runs on fake-coin
988663;1421975962;pete_dushenski;now i wonder who's behind it
988664;1421975966;mike_c;b-a has a dice site, coinroll
988665;1421975970;mike_c;jurov runs it
988666;1421975989;pete_dushenski;a yes!
988667;1421976002;pete_dushenski;jurov needs to promo better
988668;1421976002;nubbins`;how about a beaglebox
988669;1421976006;nubbins`;or w/e they're called
988670;1421976013;pete_dushenski;the man has services to provide!
988671;1421976013;nubbins`;beagle...bone?
988672;1421976018;undata;nubbins`: that's it
988673;1421976058;nubbins`;http://blog.timmattison.com/archives/2014/01/02/compiling-bitcoind-on-the-beaglebone-black/
988674;1421976061;assbot;Compiling Bitcoind on the BeagleBone Black - Tim Mattison ... ( http://bit.ly/1BiXBCz )
988675;1421976076;nubbins`;hm, i may try this
988676;1421976080;undata;wouldn't be bad to know the least amount of computer that could reasonably be expected to keep up with the blockchain for a worthwhile amount of time
988677;1421976095;nubbins`;straight-up, there's an opportunity to make money selling plug-n-play nodes
988678;1421976104;asciilifeform;nubbins`: i have 'openbsd' on one of these. also a little sluggish, though not as dreadful as 'raspberry'
988679;1421976117;undata;asciilifeform: what tinyputer do you use?
988680;1421976120;nubbins`;sluggish is okay, as long as it works
988681;1421976129;asciilifeform;undata: i have a number of them, for various experiments
988682;1421976147;undata;asciilifeform: any you consider that merit mention?
988683;1421976172;asciilifeform;nubbins`: imho, the best machine would be one which is readily available off the shelf with chassis, power supply, etc. and not require carpentry
988684;1421976193;asciilifeform;undata: they are all, as you would expect, rather threadbare.
988685;1421976206;mircea_popescu;!up infobel
988686;1421976217;mircea_popescu;yeah how's coinroll doing since j-d died ? jurov
988687;1421976238;nubbins`;asciilifeform: beaglebone black w/ custom-made btc-branded case, preloaded w/ software and ready to go. Slap it in a plastic clamshell, "babby's first bitcoin node"
988688;1421976238;Apocalyptic;asciilifeform, what high end alternative to beagleboard would you recommend, if there is one ?
988689;1421976244;nubbins`;walmart will be sellin em this time next year
988690;1421976247;mircea_popescu;<nubbins`> straight-up, there's an opportunity to make money selling plug-n-play nodes << there is. i'd advertise it.
988691;1421976251;pete_dushenski;i wonder if jurov would sell coinroll ?
988692;1421976260;asciilifeform;Apocalyptic: depends, for what purpose
988693;1421976269;nubbins`;i'd front some $$ to get it going as well
988694;1421976276;asciilifeform;Apocalyptic: if you like 'arm', there are a thousand boards to choose from.
988695;1421976287;nubbins`;package and market it right, you could make a tidy sum
988696;1421976296;nubbins`;brb
988697;1421976308;mike_c;pete_dushenski: he's a partner, not sole proprietor.
988698;1421976325;mircea_popescu;<asciilifeform>  not require carpentry << replacing the soldered-in flash i can see, with the user's choice : 64, 128, we. but other than that, ideally nothing
988699;1421976327;pete_dushenski;a well til
988700;1421976335;pete_dushenski;mike_c you aren't the other partner are you?
988701;1421976338;mike_c;nope
988702;1421976347;Apocalyptic;asciilifeform, arm would do, for various experimenting purposes, just something similar in size and with quality components
988703;1421976347;mike_c;i want to say namworld, but not sure
988704;1421976371;mircea_popescu;pete_dushenski iirc, namjies and i dun recall who else had it before
988705;1421976385;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: cheapest means of getting a unit with arbitrarily expandable storage is to pick one with usb lines
988706;1421976399;mircea_popescu;or that.
988707;1421976405;pete_dushenski;!gettrust namjies
988708;1421976405;assbot;namjies is not registered in WoT.
988709;1421976433;kakobrekla;namjies == namworld
988710;1421976444;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MG] 100000 @ 0.00009 = 9 BTC [-]
988711;1421976542;pete_dushenski;that's a funny nickname then
988712;1421976592;undata;http://beagleboard.org/black << cool that it has internal storage; it could ship with OS
988713;1421976593;assbot;BeagleBoard.org - black ... ( http://bit.ly/1E7VCVl )
988714;1421976598;undata;that plus some external storage
988715;1421976598;mircea_popescu;lawl #bitcoin-bra
988716;1421976602;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: what would you say is minimal ram for a 0.5.3 node bringup ?
988717;1421976628;kakobrekla;youd want 1gig
988718;1421976649;kakobrekla;maybe 500 if system has small footprint
988719;1421976674;kakobrekla;o shit gotta /nick ben_vulpes first
988720;1421976685;asciilifeform;1g is probably not happening on 100 usd.
988721;1421976733;mircea_popescu;i dun think so. 256mb will prolly do it, if slowly.
988722;1421976781;kakobrekla;not in present chicken state but dont mind me what do i know
988723;1421976785;scoopbot;New post on Trilema by Mircea Popescu: http://trilema.com/2015/la-republica-argelina-democratica-y-popular/
988724;1421976791;mod6;i've got a buddy running it on an aws micro with like 600Mb and it's working, but it runs itself out of ram like 1x per hour.
988725;1421976799;kakobrekla;^^
988726;1421976802;mod6;s/working/running
988727;1421976836;mod6;ive got a separate vm that has 1Gb of ram and it runs for about a 18-20 hours before it runs out of ram.
988728;1421976851;nubbins`;heheh
988729;1421976855;nubbins`;well i mean
988730;1421976866;kakobrekla;recall the munin charts i posted
988731;1421976868;nubbins`;the amount of ram isn't really the issue
988732;1421976882;mod6;my aws vm has like 2gb of ram and it runs out between 24 - 48 hours
988733;1421976887;nubbins`;the inexorable consumption thereof is the issue
988734;1421976891;mod6;yes.
988735;1421976899;undata;hah, I had munin on a micro and it'd help take down the instance
988736;1421976905;nubbins`;so maybe not design the device around the memory leak
988737;1421976915;undata;pile up on itself when the previous cron hadn't finished munging graphs
988738;1421976916;nubbins`;so it runs out once an hour? unplug it
988739;1421976931;kakobrekla;lol undata
988740;1421976961;nubbins`;fuck, kill and restart bitcoind on a timer
988741;1421976966;nubbins`;:P
988742;1421976971;kakobrekla;nubbins` thats what i did.
988743;1421976984;asciilifeform;ugh
988744;1421976987;mircea_popescu;when i said "it'll run" i meant smething like that.
988745;1421977005;nubbins`;then eventually when the real bitcoin core fixes the current memory leaks
988746;1421977014;nubbins`;your handy pocket node is already there
988747;1421977018;mircea_popescu;yeah, like, once mod6 does it.
988748;1421977022;nubbins`;HEH
988749;1421977027;mircea_popescu;not before. power fuckers had ~5 years to do it.
988750;1421977029;mircea_popescu;did jack.
988751;1421977037;nubbins`;that's what i meant
988752;1421977041;mircea_popescu;!up infobel
988753;1421977042;nubbins`;real = .foundation
988754;1421977057;infobel;tnx Popescu
988755;1421977063;mircea_popescu;sure. who're you ?
988756;1421977077;kakobrekla;mircea_popescu> did jack. < no leak in newer version, so they actually fixed it
988757;1421977080;nubbins`;!up mats
988758;1421977086;mats;ur da best
988759;1421977095;nubbins`;kakobrekla let's see the diffs :D
988760;1421977096;mats;re: router discussion, seems to me the obv solution is an OpenWrt 'package'
988761;1421977110;mircea_popescu;kakobrekla which one ?
988762;1421977125;kakobrekla;afaik 0.7 has bug 0.8 does not have bug
988763;1421977125;mircea_popescu;mats prolly something like that.
988764;1421977134;kakobrekla;this is from memory
988765;1421977134;mircea_popescu;no wai, .8 still leaks.
988766;1421977136;mod6;a few days ago, I had been looking mapOrphanBlocks as a possible reason that it runs itself out of ram as this structure goes unchecked in size in v0.5.3 -- when I was at ~180,000 blocks, these are the stats that I had built up so far:
988767;1421977140;mod6;http://dpaste.com/365FMDC
988768;1421977141;assbot;dpaste: 365FMDC ... ( http://bit.ly/1E7X1ex )
988769;1421977162;mod6;yeah, i've read on place that they have this leakyness -- crashing problem all the way up to .9
988770;1421977165;kakobrekla;mircea_popescu i cant run .7 for more than a day on system x, runs .8 endlessly
988771;1421977168;mod6;*places
988772;1421977178;kakobrekla;.8x where x i dont recall atm
988773;1421977183;pete_dushenski;mircea_popescu your article's title had me hoping for a deeper explanation into 'oficialismo' ...
988774;1421977201;mircea_popescu;pete_dushenski lol. im no local expert, i onlybeen here like a year.
988775;1421977210;mircea_popescu;kakobrekla a the x may be it.
988776;1421977227;infobel;any thoughts on Trezor anybody?
988777;1421977234;mircea_popescu;!s trezor
988778;1421977235;assbot;127 results for 'trezor' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=trezor
988779;1421977238;PeterL;pete_dushenski I tried to put in a fix to scoopbot, he should respond to your blog now, let me know the next time you post something
988780;1421977253;pete_dushenski;mircea_popescu ok mister, you've got one more year!
988781;1421977262;mircea_popescu;3 years.
988782;1421977268;mod6;well, i could be wrong. i just saw a thing where they were telling some guy running a way forward version that he should add more swap or some such nonsense. but yeah... so it's been in there for a while.
988783;1421977270;pete_dushenski;PeterL wunderbar! danke!
988784;1421977281;pete_dushenski;mircea_popescu 3 more or 3 total ?
988785;1421977282;PeterL;well, thank me once it works ;)
988786;1421977288;mircea_popescu;pete_dushenski tba
988787;1421977290;asciilifeform;http://www.pcengines.ch/alix2d2.htm << x86. but passively cooled, supports fast storage, ~100 usd.
988788;1421977291;assbot;PC Engines alix2d2 product file ... ( http://bit.ly/1E7XvRV )
988789;1421977306;pete_dushenski;PeterL lol ok
988790;1421977333;asciilifeform;http://www.pcengines.ch/alix3d2.htm << smaller version of same.
988791;1421977333;assbot;PC Engines alix3d2 product file ... ( http://bit.ly/1E7XE7W )
988792;1421977335;mircea_popescu;http://36.media.tumblr.com/61a537228bbfbd79aed85abac6cb524d/tumblr_ng39r5zhn41s9e2ofo1_500.jpg
988793;1421977337;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1E7XD3I )
988794;1421977360;mod6;awesome pics today :)
988795;1421977362;mats;jurov:it's more about acquiring useful muscle memory bits << kung fu is not a system of fighting, its a system of thought. you must outthink your opponent, whatever form he takes... because some of them will be more than just men.
988796;1421977494;mircea_popescu;http://40.media.tumblr.com/98205cc2e0379b675c31617e77233033/tumblr_ng38y4I2Li1s9e2ofo1_500.jpg there you go mod6
988797;1421977495;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1E7Y3Hx )
988798;1421977528;mod6;=)
988799;1421977563;infobel;almost legal? :)
988800;1421977581;undata;infobel confirmed for cop
988801;1421977596;mircea_popescu;cop a feel ?
988802;1421977609;asciilifeform;http://wiki.openwrt.org/toh/easyacc/wizard8800?s[]=mips << almost the idea, imho, physical embodiment for a node; but the hero who can stuff node into 32m is not yet born
988803;1421977610;assbot;EasyAcc Wi-Stor Wizard 4in1 wireless storage 8800 [OpenWrt Wiki] ... ( http://bit.ly/1E7YnG9 )
988804;1421977610;infobel;:))
988805;1421977615;asciilifeform;*ideal
988806;1421977633;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform how hard is to field-upgrade these rams ?
988807;1421977650;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: depends whether the address lines are all brought out on the pcb
988808;1421977655;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: often, they are not.
988809;1421977673;mircea_popescu;can we look at easyacc schematix ?
988810;1421977721;mircea_popescu;lol that was long lasted
988811;1421977727;mircea_popescu;PeterL what's killing it ? dja know ?
988812;1421977753;PeterL;oh, that was me restarting it again, be back up in a sec
988813;1421977774;mircea_popescu;ah
988814;1421977797;asciilifeform;'wistor' schematics << chinese have not posted them, it seems, in the usual places. yet.
988815;1421977802;mircea_popescu;http://41.media.tumblr.com/a0908a7376263961cd2a22f33c2544c1/tumblr_ng35mjck061s9e2ofo1_500.jpg
988816;1421977804;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1Bj0PpJ )
988817;1421977841;asciilifeform;it also appears to be out of production. but i distinctly recall seeing similar gadgets advertised.
988818;1421977871;mircea_popescu;meh, oop is no good for us
988819;1421977913;asciilifeform;http://www.openstora.com/wiki/index.php?title=Main_Page
988820;1421977918;assbot;OpenStora ... ( http://bit.ly/1Bj0ZgN )
988821;1421977918;decimation;asciilifeform: there's a guide for booting 'edgerouter lite' with gentoo https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/MIPS/ERLite-3
988822;1421977920;assbot;MIPS/ERLite-3 - Gentoo Wiki ... ( http://bit.ly/1Bj104m )
988823;1421977920;asciilifeform;^ ~35 usd
988824;1421977924;mircea_popescu;sounds much better
988825;1421977928;asciilifeform;decimation: yes, saw. flaky in may ways.
988826;1421977954;decimation;yeah, 'only works' with certain usb drives, and only certain kernels
988827;1421977958;asciilifeform;the 'verbatim' appears to be available in massive qty. 802.11+gb eth.
988828;1421977965;asciilifeform;128M ram.
988829;1421978030;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 2500 @ 0.00087646 = 2.1912 BTC [-] {18} 
988830;1421978073;*;asciilifeform double-checks
988831;1421978158;ben_vulpes;how'd i get almost 800 lines behind in one day!?
988832;1421978196;mircea_popescu;chewing tits is my bet.
988833;1421978407;thestringpuller;lol
988834;1421978412;asciilifeform;http://wiki.openwrt.org/toh/kingston/mlw221 << interesting
988835;1421978413;assbot;Kingston Mobilelite Wireless MLW221 [OpenWrt Wiki] ... ( http://bit.ly/1E80yt9 )
988836;1421978439;asciilifeform;http://wiki.openwrt.org/_detail/media/mlw221-02.jpg?id=toh%3Akingston%3Amlw221 << instead of shielding the wireless card, as traditional...
988837;1421978439;assbot;        media:mlw221-02.jpg        [OpenWrt Wiki]     ... ( http://bit.ly/1E80FoD )
988838;1421978493;asciilifeform;~50 usd.
988839;1421978891;asciilifeform;!up mats
988840;1421979195;Apocalyptic;mircea, re http://trilema.com/2015/why-representative-democracy-doesnt-work-and-doesnt-make-sense/ , great piece
988841;1421979196;assbot;Why "representative democracy" doesn't work and doesn't make sense pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.  ... ( http://bit.ly/1Bj38sL )
988842;1421979829;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu, anyone else still awake: 'pogoplug' - 256MB ram; ~25 usd.
988843;1421979841;asciilifeform;gigabit ethernet.
988844;1421979863;asciilifeform;128mb version, 15 usd.
988845;1421979876;asciilifeform;quite certainly parachutable behind enemy lines.
988846;1421979883;asciilifeform;!s liberator pistol
988847;1421979884;assbot;0 results for 'liberator pistol' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=liberator+pistol
988848;1421979907;asciilifeform;was certain we spoke of it at one point
988849;1421979926;Apocalyptic;asciilifeform, out of these thousands boards to chose from, know any that features a Cortex-A57 CPU ?
988850;1421979945;asciilifeform;Apocalyptic: can't say from memory alone, i'm not an arm aficionado
988851;1421980001;Apocalyptic;alright, from what I got so far the ODROID-U2 looks decent, with a Cortex-A9 though
988852;1421980012;asciilifeform;Apocalyptic: what are you building ?
988853;1421980034;jurov;lolwut coinroll
988854;1421980061;jurov;pete_dushenski: it does kinda have pimp..er..affiliate program now
988855;1421980073;jurov;negotiate with namworld
988856;1421980084;Apocalyptic;asciilifeform, nothing in particular, just want to play with a board having a powerful CPU
988857;1421980113;pete_dushenski;jurov intriguing...
988858;1421980115;jurov;btw what about odroid? or it's turd?
988859;1421980126;pete_dushenski;;;seen namworld
988860;1421980126;gribble;namworld was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 5 weeks, 5 days, 5 hours, 42 minutes, and 15 seconds ago: <Namworld> That's 888poker
988861;1421980143;asciilifeform;'pogoplug' may actually be the cheapest linux box presently sold.
988862;1421980149;asciilifeform;turns out.
988863;1421980158;kakobrekla;sez 50$ a year
988864;1421980167;asciilifeform;a year if you buy their idiot chumpcloud thing
988865;1421980177;asciilifeform;so far, as i understand, the hardware is a loss-leader.
988866;1421980178;kakobrekla;you have other source?
988867;1421980182;asciilifeform;hence it is exactly what we want.
988868;1421980185;asciilifeform;let the morons pay.
988869;1421980211;asciilifeform;kakobrekla: one can buy the gadget without subscribing to the idiocy
988870;1421980219;kakobrekla;weird
988871;1421980235;jurov;it's faster than rpi?
988872;1421980299;asciilifeform;jurov: not certain, as i've not tested it. but rpi had an uncommonly slow usb controller.
988873;1421980300;jurov;rumor has it that it has even slower i/o
988874;1421980325;asciilifeform;http://archlinuxarm.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=53&t=2110
988875;1421980326;assbot;Arch Linux ARM • View topic - Pogoplug Series 4 - Hardware CPU / Memory RAM ... ( http://bit.ly/1Bj50BT )
988876;1421980344;asciilifeform;they have sata jacks as well.
988877;1421980353;jurov;but..128 ram?
988878;1421980356;asciilifeform;anyone who can scavenge a laptop drive, can use.
988879;1421980382;asciilifeform;128m promises to be tight, to say the least, with current 0.5.3.x
988880;1421980450;asciilifeform;the older 'pogoplug' actually shipped with 256m.
988881;1421980460;asciilifeform;for, iirc, the same cost.
988882;1421980612;jurov;amazon sells them between $20-$60 depending on version
988883;1421980679;asciilifeform;jurov: their 'p22' appears to ship with 256m. ~25 usd.
988884;1421980703;asciilifeform;again, i have not tried these machines.
988885;1421980833;asciilifeform;jurov, ben_vulpes, mod6, mircea_popescu - if one of you presently has a 0.5.3.x in a vm, try running under hard constraint of 128 or 256m. see when croaks.
988886;1421981454;mod6;i'll put it on the list here...
988887;1421982714;mod6;ok running with 128mb ram
988888;1421982885;mod6;http://dpaste.com/1EPVKEK
988889;1421982886;assbot;dpaste: 1EPVKEK ... ( http://bit.ly/1Bj9Cb2 )
988890;1421983555;pete_dushenski;so it's working alright or... ?
988891;1421983638;mod6;http://dpaste.com/2BDCF3R
988892;1421983640;assbot;dpaste: 2BDCF3R ... ( http://bit.ly/1BjbgJM )
988893;1421983647;mod6;up to 68,xxx blocks....
988894;1421983651;mod6;still going
988895;1421984315;mod6;90xxx
988896;1421984496;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8350 @ 0.00048049 = 4.0121 BTC [-]
988897;1421985541;mod6;here's some vm info: http://dpaste.com/2JS2NC1
988898;1421985543;assbot;dpaste: 2JS2NC1 ... ( http://bit.ly/1Bjf7Xj )
988899;1421985545;mod6;102xxx
988900;1421985700;ben_vulpes;http://dealbook.nytimes.com/2015/01/22/winklevoss-twins-aim-to-take-bitcoin-mainstream-with-a-regulated-exchange/
988901;1421985703;assbot;Log In - The New York Times ... ( http://bit.ly/1L4yCZa )
988902;1421985741;asciilifeform;mod6, ben_vulpes: as i understand, if the hypothetical node has a working oomkill mechanism, it will - mostly - run without intervention
988903;1421985804;ben_vulpes;i'm not entirely up to date on the thread, asciilifeform
988904;1421985872;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu posed a question re: what might be the cheapest reasonably-compact machine that will run 0.5.3.
988905;1421985931;mod6;it would be neat-o to see this run on some sort of commercial router with a large flash-rom in there.
988906;1421985957;asciilifeform;mod6: i picked up the sata-enabled 'pogo', will devote an hour or two to giving it a shot this weekend.
988907;1421985970;asciilifeform;mod6: ~20 usd
988908;1421986030;ben_vulpes;now there's an interesting notion
988909;1421986071;mod6;cool. in this case, im running v0.5.3[base]+patches{1,rm_rf_upnp,2,3,4,6(db_config),unreleased-version-update-patch}
988910;1421986094;mod6;in my most recent regression tests ( this past week, i've been leaving out the rm_checkpoints patch )
988911;1421986130;mod6;and so should you. I'll be tabling that, updating the "Patch guide" and pulling the tarball with that patch down from the website as soon as my other vm hits current block.
988912;1421986147;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes, mod6: one patch that probably needs to happen in time for the 'fork war' is manual seed config.
988913;1421986162;asciilifeform;right now there are, iirc, hardcoded - and possibly phoundation-subvertable - seeds.
988914;1421986174;asciilifeform;ditto for the irc mechanism (is that still in 0.5.3 ?)
988915;1421986189;mod6;here's a script that will build everything without the rm_checkpoints patch, with exception to the version number update:
988916;1421986192;mod6;http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=U75B7820
988917;1421986193;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1L4zmNZ )
988918;1421986234;mod6;asciilifeform: irc stuff is still in there.
988919;1421986292;mod6;basically; patches include so far, your patches, ben's rm UPNP & the bdb config update patches.
988920;1421986296;mod6;-s
988921;1421986425;mircea_popescu;'pogoplug' eh ?
988922;1421986440;asciilifeform;cheapasdirtoplug
988923;1421986530;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform: jurov, ben_vulpes, mod6, mircea_popescu - if one of you presently has a 0.5.3.x in a vm, try running under hard constraint of 128 or 256m. see when croaks. << it doesn't croak if it has the blockchain prebuilt, that part's for sure.
988924;1421986592;asciilifeform;https://www.exploitee.rs/index.php/PogoPlug_Mobile << unit in photo is the ~$12 version sans sata
988925;1421986595;assbot;PogoPlug Mobile - Exploitee.rs ... ( http://bit.ly/1Bjh1ay )
988926;1421986619;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes:dealbook.nytimes.com/2015/01/22/winklevoss-twins-aim << yeah yeah, they've been aiming at the toilet for three years now.
988927;1421986633;mircea_popescu;still have to unpucker the cock enough for as much as a dribble to come out
988928;1421986634;mats;hmm...added to my toy wish list
988929;1421986636;mircea_popescu;damned prostatis
988930;1421986803;mod6;110k
988931;1421986836;mircea_popescu;did it crash yet ?
988932;1421986854;mod6;nope. grindin' on.
988933;1421986886;mod6;typically i see my first crash around 180k
988934;1421986896;mircea_popescu;i think it's more in the 230k ish range that there's some large reorgs
988935;1421986899;mircea_popescu;or that.
988936;1421986905;mod6;but, this is 10% of the memory i'm used to runing with
988937;1421986908;mod6;*running
988938;1421986912;asciilifeform;mod6: crash or oomkill ?
988939;1421986916;mod6;so, color me suprised
988940;1421986920;mod6;oom SIGKILL
988941;1421986924;asciilifeform;aha.
988942;1421986957;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform it doesn't actually crash-crash, not really.
988943;1421986968;mod6;mp: yeah, it definatly hits a slowdown from like 180k->270k
988944;1421986972;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: mine certainly did not. leaks? yes.
988945;1421986977;mircea_popescu;right.
988946;1421987024;mircea_popescu;anyway, mod6 ben_vulpes : asciilifeform has a point, it'd be ideal if this can be wrapped up with a foundation blessed bitcoin core, and one that has the bad seed model snipped out ideally.
988947;1421987051;mircea_popescu;this is the ender of worlds, as it were.
988948;1421987071;mod6;so noted.
988949;1421987072;mircea_popescu;once there's a million dollar worth of them in the wild, "upgrading" bitcoin is this good joke.
988950;1421987073;asciilifeform;i have a 0.8 node that does crash quarterly or so. bitcoin-msghand[15569]: segfault at 0 ip 0000000000blahblah sp 0000blahblahblah error 4 in bitcoind[400000+303000]
988951;1421987078;asciilifeform;for a few years now.
988952;1421987095;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform i really never looked at anything they pushed out after the hearn fork.
988953;1421987098;asciilifeform;(how long has 8 been around? forgot)
988954;1421987147;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: trick is to get them out and plugged in, it would appear
988955;1421987161;mircea_popescu;that won't be mnuch of a problem, once we have a coherent story wrapped up.
988956;1421987169;mircea_popescu;and mind you that i do NOT mean linux level of coherence.
988957;1421987172;mircea_popescu;i mean osx level of coherence.
988958;1421987180;asciilifeform;if seriously contemplating this, it is absolutely essential that 'the sapper not err'
988959;1421987196;mircea_popescu;error being defined as, "doesn't work"
988960;1421987203;asciilifeform;or phoundationfuckable
988961;1421987214;mircea_popescu;im not really worried about that.
988962;1421987215;asciilifeform;see earlier observation re: irc seeding
988963;1421987217;mircea_popescu;they're too dumb to count.
988964;1421987230;asciilifeform;they - sure. what of their master ?
988965;1421987231;mircea_popescu;just get it to where mrmike can run one.
988966;1421987243;mircea_popescu;their master is fresh out of stupid school.
988967;1421987277;asciilifeform;incidentally, if these are also to function as 'wallets'... i haven't any notion of whether, e.g., 'pogo', even has an rng.
988968;1421987284;mircea_popescu;nah.
988969;1421987287;mircea_popescu;no wallet at all.
988970;1421987313;asciilifeform;that's sane. but what luser will plug it in? 'wats in it fer me'
988971;1421987314;mircea_popescu;this is going to be a mempool "miner".
988972;1421987323;mircea_popescu;everyone will.
988973;1421987336;*;asciilifeform assumes mircea_popescu has a plan
988974;1421987349;mircea_popescu;i have a great plan. and if it doesn't work, that's ok.
988975;1421987351;mircea_popescu;i have another.
988976;1421987357;mircea_popescu;to quote marx.
988977;1421987358;asciilifeform;!b 3
988978;1421987359;assbot;Last 3 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/3P3DJNA.txt )
988979;1421987453;mircea_popescu;i bought myself all sorts of excellent cheeses today, from this very competent deli
988980;1421987470;mod6;nice
988981;1421987484;mircea_popescu;now my house smells like No Personal Higiene High athletic team had been camping out all week
988982;1421987490;*;asciilifeform spends more on cheese than on bandwidth, electronics, fuel put together
988983;1421987540;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform you know the cheese shop sketch ?
988984;1421987548;asciilifeform;nein
988985;1421987600;mircea_popescu;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PPN3KTtrnZM
988986;1421987602;assbot;Monty Python - Cheese Shop - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1BjiWvz )
988987;1421988006;decimation;asciilifeform: there was a cheese shop in downtown dc called 'cowgirl creamery' that closed down
988988;1421988011;decimation;did you ever go there?
988989;1421988034;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8386 @ 0.00048049 = 4.0294 BTC [-]
988990;1421988400;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 2101 @ 0.00087762 = 1.8439 BTC [-] {4} 
988991;1421988469;mircea_popescu;decimation i thought that was a san francisco outfit.
988992;1421988616;decimation;I think it is, they tried to open a shop in wash dc
988993;1421988622;decimation;didn't work out well
988994;1421988708;mircea_popescu;ah
988995;1421988738;mircea_popescu;the thing is, us folk, and especially midwesterners (which is what washington is, in spite of all pretense) have very VERY bland tastes and a taste for blandness.
988996;1421988767;mircea_popescu;cheese's not really their thing. what passes for "sharp" cheddar in washington dc is in fact barely more than cream fraiche.
988997;1421988781;asciilifeform;decimation: yes, it existed. did go once.
988998;1421988838;asciilifeform;us folk... have very VERY bland tastes and a taste for blandness << yes!
988999;1421988846;asciilifeform;it is astonishing.
989000;1421988879;mircea_popescu;"take this food away, it... it... it almost TASTES of something!!1"
989001;1421988905;mircea_popescu;yet another aspect of neoteny.
989002;1421989230;scoopbot;Yeah, I don't like pete_dushenski much.
989003;1421989241;pete_dushenski;haha!
989004;1421989245;mircea_popescu;lol
989005;1421989253;mircea_popescu;he's a poopyhead eh scoopbot ?
989006;1421989271;pete_dushenski;he's a bit of a fucker for sure
989007;1421989273;pete_dushenski;http://www.contravex.com/2015/01/23/how-the-adage-time-is-money-and-the-existence-of-google-prove-that-facebook-is-worth-less-than-dust/
989008;1421989274;assbot;How the adage “time is money” and the existence of Google+ prove that Facebook is worth less than dust. | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski ... ( http://bit.ly/1BjlIRq )
989009;1421989293;mircea_popescu;http://40.media.tumblr.com/4b96d3bcfb8102699092595d2bb74147/tumblr_nasab4ppMj1s9e2ofo1_500.jpg
989010;1421989295;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1BjlM3J )
989011;1421989298;asciilifeform;lol, seems like 'pogo' was behind that ridiculous tor thing - http://www.linuxuser.co.uk/reviews/pogoplug-safeplug-review-anonymous-browsing-instantly
989012;1421989299;assbot;Pogoplug Safeplug review – anonymous browsing instantly | Linux User & Developer - the Linux and FOSS mag for a GNU generation ... ( http://bit.ly/1BjlJF5 )
989013;1421989311;pete_dushenski;alrighty then, off the go be fit and whatnot. later assets!
989014;1421989336;asciilifeform;not enough uptake on their 'cloud storage' sc4m, so they tried another angle.
989015;1421989354;mod6;117k
989016;1421989355;asciilifeform;(the way the device is priced, it is almost certainly a loss-leader)
989017;1421989463;mircea_popescu;not for long.
989018;1421989469;asciilifeform;l0l
989019;1421989500;mircea_popescu;no srsly, the way computiong works, no loss leader stays a loss leader for long.
989020;1421989511;mircea_popescu;how do you think moore's law even came to be ?
989021;1421989512;asciilifeform;well yes. eventually - splat.
989022;1421989548;scoopbot;Yeah, I don't like pete_dushenski much.
989023;1421989567;asciilifeform;(cost of production drops, sure, but eventually hits barriers that have nothing much to do with semiconductors)
989024;1421989581;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform the xbox was a loss leader. heck, the 94 playstation was a loss leader
989025;1421989596;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: probably among the most famous examples thereof
989026;1421989606;mircea_popescu;well...
989027;1421989866;scoopbot;Yeah, I don't like pete_dushenski much.
989028;1421989891;mircea_popescu;...
989029;1421990184;scoopbot;Yeah, I don't like pete_dushenski much.
989030;1421990188;mod6;haha wat
989031;1421990256;mircea_popescu;pete revenge-hacked scoopbot
989032;1421990423;asciilifeform;mod6: a few days ago, I had been looking mapOrphanBlocks as a possible reason that it runs itself out << see my earlier 'valgrind' experiments.
989033;1421990430;asciilifeform;!s valgrind
989034;1421990431;assbot;26 results for 'valgrind' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=valgrind
989035;1421990487;mod6;i'll have to look back. i spent a bunch of time running gdb & valgrind earlier in the month.
989036;1421990501;scoopbot;Yeah, I don't like pete_dushenski much.
989037;1421990507;mod6;i'll hvae to take a look at your results.
989038;1421990520;asciilifeform;mod6: linked somewhere in there.
989039;1421990526;mod6;thx ascii
989040;1421990780;mircea_popescu;mod6 do you know right off what's the logic that deems an orphan chain no longer worth tracking ?
989041;1421990795;mircea_popescu;"another chain at least 120 blocks longer" or something sane like that ?
989042;1421990818;scoopbot;Yeah, I don't like pete_dushenski much.
989043;1421990825;*;mod6 slaps scoopbot 
989044;1421990825;mircea_popescu;!down scoopbot
989045;1421990973;mod6;I don't have a good answer for that atm.
989046;1421990979;*;mod6 looks
989047;1421990994;decimation;re: midwestern blandness < yes, it's a weird phenomenon.  try going to an indian restaurant in say, chicago, and have them give you an average level of spice
989048;1421991035;decimation;and washington dc is definitely a midwestern city - where else are people going to get jobs? ohio?
989049;1421991039;mircea_popescu;ah, spice is a different story tho. they can eat pretty hot, especially in the se.
989050;1421991067;mircea_popescu;but! flavour and hotness are different. flavour's a billion different sulphides, alcohols, aromatics etc
989051;1421991071;mircea_popescu;hotness is half a dozen capseins.
989052;1421991079;decimation;yeah that's true
989053;1421991153;mod6;in v0.5.3, afaik, it looks for dups, then (with checkpoints) it checks to see if the block has a timestamp previous to the last checkpoint, then if it can't find a prev block it puts it in a holding area until one is found.
989054;1421991207;mircea_popescu;checkpoint only ?
989055;1421991212;mircea_popescu;that's pretty dumb.
989056;1421991216;mod6;Lastly, it recursively processes any orphan blocks that are depended on it, and deletes them from the map.
989057;1421991254;mod6;In later versions, they have a cap of 750 blocks max for the orphan map iirc.
989058;1421991278;asciilifeform;SetBestChain(....)
989059;1421991286;asciilifeform;main.cpp
989060;1421991292;asciilifeform;and its call graph.
989061;1421991297;*;asciilifeform lazy
989062;1421991359;*;mod6 looks
989063;1421991369;decimation;re: winklevoss exchange << http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=07-08-2014#786414 << well, I guess that explains what they are going to do
989064;1421991369;assbot;Logged on 07-08-2014 19:08:21; decimation: the question is: if this isn't a scam, where are they going to trade bitcoin?
989065;1421991402;asciilifeform;bool CBlock::SetBestChain(CTxDB& txdb, CBlockIndex* pindexNew)
989066;1421991524;mod6;for those following along: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/blob/v0.5.3/src/main.cpp#L1227
989067;1421991526;assbot;bitcoin/main.cpp at v0.5.3 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1CkKd28 )
989068;1421992385;mod6;122k
989069;1421992586;asciilifeform;http://www.marvell.com/embedded-processors/kirkwood/assets/FS_88F6180_9x_6281_OpenSource.pdf << 'pogo'
989070;1421992590;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1CkLS84 )
989071;1421992936;mod6;so if the new block is not the genesis block, and the new blocks prev hash != best chain hash, run Reorganize
989072;1421992956;mod6;which is worth a look
989073;1421992979;mod6;https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/blob/v0.5.3/src/main.cpp#L1134
989074;1421992981;assbot;bitcoin/main.cpp at v0.5.3 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1CkMvhV )
989075;1421993097;asciilifeform;88f6180 << see esp. pp. 290. unit can be force-fed firmware through uart during boot, whether board manufacturer wants it or not.
989076;1421993116;asciilifeform;trivial 'jailbreak'.
989077;1421993156;asciilifeform;not necessary as they are currently offered, but if they're a loss-leader and mircea_popescu buys 10,000 of them...
989078;1421993232;asciilifeform;pp. 297 has the actual magic string.
989079;1421993262;asciilifeform;'If the bootROM detects the 64-bit UART boot pattern (0xBB 0x11 0x22 0x33 0x44 0x55 0x66 0x77) injected by the user, as an indication to start the Xmodem protocol and the UART boot process); it configures the appropriate MPPs to operate as UA0_RXD and UA0_TXD, as in the previous sub-section and starts the Xmodem protocol to load the image from UART to the DDR.'
989080;1421993570;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: perhaps we have your new pc here.
989081;1421993618;mod6;@ block 1236XX i'll have to check back in on it in the am.
989082;1421993641;mod6;ill give another update on it then.
989083;1421993785;mod6;g'night Gentlemen.
989084;1421996176;mircea_popescu;<mod6> In later versions, they have a cap of 750 blocks max for the orphan map iirc. << yes, and it's idiotic.
989085;1421996193;mircea_popescu;a 900 block long orphan that's 5 blocks shorter than the main chai nshould not be discarded.
989086;1421996208;mircea_popescu;a 2 block orphan that's 122 blocks shorter than the main chain is never going to be main.
989087;1421996227;mircea_popescu;(never = not anymore, since gavin is no longer in a position to merge hearnidiocy in any significant manner)
989088;1421996284;mircea_popescu;<mod6> which is worth a look << that, it is.
989089;1421996305;mircea_popescu;http://trilema.com/2013/oscar/ << btw this is one hell of a film.
989090;1421996306;assbot;Oscar pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.  ... ( http://bit.ly/1L4RHdU )
989091;1421997160;mircea_popescu;!up cb_bitcoin
989092;1421997439;mircea_popescu;!up viic
989093;1422000164;mircea_popescu;"In the year of '61, we left our native land, 'cause we could not bend our spirits to the tyrant's stern command. So we rallied 'round our Buckner, while our hearts were sad and sore, to offer our blood for freedom as our fathers did before...."
989094;1422000166;mircea_popescu;check it out...
989095;1422000295;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29500 @ 0.00048563 = 14.3261 BTC [+]
989096;1422000966;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15200 @ 0.00048563 = 7.3816 BTC [+]
989097;1422002071;davout;https://blog.gemini.com/welcome-to-gemini/
989098;1422002084;davout;"Once we picked our name, a fun fact emerged."
989099;1422002091;davout;"We realized we were also twins"
989100;1422002226;mircea_popescu;...
989101;1422002268;mircea_popescu;"retards embarassing themselves" hour ?
989102;1422002288;mircea_popescu;What exactly do we mean by �next generation�? We mean a fully regulated, fully compliant, New York-based bitcoin exchange for both individuals and institutions alike.
989103;1422002294;mircea_popescu;mkay. shove your aml.
989104;1422002621;mircea_popescu;davout in other news, rewatching oscar i had the pleasure to expose anglophone ear to the delices of "ta maman / ton amant / demander ta main". no differences could be perceived.
989105;1422002699;davout;hh
989106;1422002742;mircea_popescu;"it's the same damned thing!"
989107;1422002746;davout;all the americans i know trying to learn french had a problem with "mon cul", "ma queue", "mon cou"
989108;1422002770;mircea_popescu;mon cul / mon cou is certainly in the same position :D
989109;1422002779;davout;my butt, my dick, my neck
989110;1422002803;davout;they just can't say the sounds, sounds all the same to them
989111;1422002815;mircea_popescu;i think queue has a sharper k which is actually perceptible
989112;1422002830;mircea_popescu;maybe you're saying it wrong :D
989113;1422002844;davout;no i think there's something to this
989114;1422002851;mircea_popescu;lol
989115;1422002907;mircea_popescu;meanwhile at the other end of the spectrum, argentine spanish spekers can not actually distinguish b, p v and f
989116;1422002913;mircea_popescu;on a conceptual basis, this.
989117;1422002940;mircea_popescu;fanfare could just as well be panvare
989118;1422002969;mircea_popescu;i think they work on the basis of about five consonants and that's it
989119;1422003040;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17750 @ 0.00048563 = 8.6199 BTC [+]
989120;1422003201;davout;the b == v is pretty interesting
989121;1422003216;davout;makes spanish sound like the php of languages
989122;1422003683;mircea_popescu;lol i guess it may well be
989123;1422004146;punkman;b==v confuses me a lot
989124;1422004217;punkman;s==es is kinda fun, do the argentines do that?
989125;1422004263;mircea_popescu;uh which one is that ?
989126;1422004305;punkman;like they can't say spain, stella, etc
989127;1422004378;mircea_popescu;nah, the dropped e is a french specialty.
989128;1422004532;punkman;I mean they add a vowel in front of words starting with s
989129;1422004560;mircea_popescu;salud is salud.
989130;1422004589;punkman;hmm indeed
989131;1422004992;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28500 @ 0.00048034 = 13.6897 BTC [-]
989132;1422005170;mircea_popescu;heh, there's actually a us felony charge of "maintaining a dwelling."
989133;1422005243;punkman;as in stash house?
989134;1422005265;mircea_popescu;apparently.
989135;1422005877;mircea_popescu;dude the argentina drama...
989136;1422005901;davout;what's a 'stash house' ?
989137;1422005916;mircea_popescu;so now the president is claiming that the evil guys (unspecified) that made the da guy falsely claim she's involved in destrtoying the trial of the iranian terrorists that blew up the jews, also killed him, to make her look even worse!
989138;1422005919;mircea_popescu;this could be in a book.
989139;1422005934;mircea_popescu;davout the usians are insane. it is apparently a crime to have a house where there are drugs.
989140;1422005959;mircea_popescu;except it's a meaningless ofence nobody prosecutes seriously, because it can get the jury to waste time / negotiate a conviction down, and the punishments are minor anyway.
989141;1422006006;mircea_popescu;ie, you won't get a conviction on it straight ; if you're also prosecuting other indictments it can either blow up, ruin your other counts or at most succeed for no benefit, as it'll get rolled into the other counts.
989142;1422006031;mircea_popescu;meanwhile in the other pole of insanity,
989143;1422006032;mircea_popescu;http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/french-court-convicts-three-over-homophobic-tweets-in-case-hailed-as-a-significant-victory-by-lgbt-rights-campaigners-9996878.html
989144;1422006034;assbot;French court convicts three over homophobic tweets, in case hailed as a 'significant victory' by LGBT rights campaigners - Europe - World - The Independent ... ( http://bit.ly/1ClaVYC )
989145;1422006257;davout;#twiterristasmustdie yo
989146;1422006293;davout;i'm so fucking cold
989147;1422006309;mircea_popescu;actually, no. just, the french civil service must die.
989148;1422006319;mircea_popescu;preferably, through slow anal bleeding.
989149;1422006334;davout;dudes changing windows in your living room means your windows remain open for a couple hours while it's freezing outside
989150;1422006346;davout;french civil service...
989151;1422006389;mircea_popescu;hm ?
989152;1422006417;mircea_popescu;holy shit abdullah died.
989153;1422006440;mircea_popescu;http://rt.com/news/225383-saudi-arabia-king-dead/
989154;1422006440;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1ClbAcw )
989155;1422006536;davout;french civil service is this kind office where the late-comers greet the early-leavers in the stairwell
989156;1422006587;mircea_popescu;davout hang the lot.
989157;1422006618;mircea_popescu;anyway, enough excitement for one night.
989158;1422006622;davout;that's too sweet a punishment
989159;1422006641;davout;getting them to find jobs will be much more painful
989160;1422006672;davout;good night!
989161;1422008312;davout;it occurs to me it would be really nice to have a way to easily dice-generate an rsa keypair as to not rely on whatever prng
989162;1422008326;davout;would probably require a ton of rolls for a strong key tho
989163;1422008519;punkman;davout, http://dicephysics.info/0104.htm
989164;1422008520;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1GGg0iq )
989165;1422008548;davout;interesting
989166;1422010422;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10997 @ 0.00047913 = 5.269 BTC [-] {2} 
989167;1422010990;punkman;!up muXne
989168;1422011520;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31700 @ 0.00047867 = 15.1738 BTC [-]
989169;1422011560;muXne;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E8b4xYbEugo
989170;1422011561;assbot;Big Data - "Dangerous (feat. Joywave)" [Official Music Video] - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1E9lJet )
989171;1422012027;fluffypony;lolwut
989172;1422012192;muXne;you herd me
989173;1422012214;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: perhaps we have your new pc here. << very interesting
989174;1422016643;punkman;http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-intersect/wp/2015/01/22/i-paid-25-for-an-invisible-boyfriend-and-i-think-i-might-be-in-love/
989175;1422016644;assbot;I paid $25 for an Invisible Boyfriend, and I think I might be in love. - The Washington Post ... ( http://bit.ly/1CYmW4J )
989176;1422016806;punkman;!up muXne
989177;1422016861;muXne;i havent read it, but is it lights off?
989178;1422016948;muXne;oh i see, he doesnt exist
989179;1422016993;muXne;grndmothers must lov eit
989180;1422017046;punkman;not like male escorts are hard to find
989181;1422017088;punkman;but they prefer the invisible ones I guess
989182;1422017126;punkman;"there's an app for that"
989183;1422017159;muXne;most girls might pick a 'george; type
989184;1422017218;muXne;as you say strippers are available
989185;1422017299;muXne;actuallt hey prolly wanna pretend they have a sucessful bitcoin boyfriend
989186;1422017321;muXne;is this japan
989187;1422017322;muXne;?
989188;1422017342;punkman;pretty big in asia
989189;1422017360;punkman;fake boyfriends that is
989190;1422017377;muXne;no doubt
989191;1422017495;muXne;hey you're greek and sucessful
989192;1422017512;muXne;ouch
989193;1422017781;muXne;like back foor ouch, in the seat
989194;1422018009;punkman;"Patience, please — ‘legal’ Bitcoin is actually only one year old! That  is, even though the Bitcoin source code was posted to the Internet in  2009, it was only clearly legal for American institutions to get  involved with it after the IRS tax guidance was published in March 2014"
989195;1422018024;punkman;http://a16z.com/2015/01/22/bitcoin-and-blockchain/
989196;1422018025;assbot;Bitcoin (and Blockchain) | Andreessen Horowitz ... ( http://bit.ly/1CYrM1K )
989197;1422018042;muXne;when was it ever illegal?
989198;1422018097;punkman;you need the preet license to disrupt things
989199;1422018291;muXne;is that an indian thing?
989200;1422018439;punkman;"Apple has agreed to accept the Chinese government’s demands to run  network safety evaluations on all Apple products before they can be  imported into the country."
989201;1422018478;punkman;imported? don't they make them?
989202;1422018581;muXne;well theyll start using the name now jobs is sead
989203;1422018603;muXne;and done
989204;1422018815;mats;http://imgur.com/a/d1i6B on the subject of .cn
989205;1422018816;assbot;                    imgur: the simple image sharer ... ( http://bit.ly/1CYvdp3 )
989206;1422018944;mats;!up muXne
989207;1422018993;muXne;china; it's prolly not shopped
989208;1422019240;mats;im seeing a lot of sinophobia lately
989209;1422019279;mats;dey took our jerbs n homes, etc
989210;1422019284;muXne;chinas awesomely cool
989211;1422019310;muXne;they pretty much invented australia
989212;1422019545;muXne;well they extracted a hell of a lot of gole when it was too hard for other proplr
989213;1422019559;mats;?
989214;1422019568;muXne;1840ish
989215;1422019577;mats;in .au?
989216;1422019584;muXne;they were trekign around on foot
989217;1422019587;muXne;yah
989218;1422019604;mats;they paid for it in metric tons of dead chinese
989219;1422019626;muXne;well most did okay
989220;1422019693;muXne;broom has japanese blood like hawaii re:pearls too
989221;1422019853;muXne;now we make oil and iron and steal gas from png
989222;1422020048;muXne;possesion is nine tenths of th elaw
989223;1422020153;mats;they're not using it anyway
989224;1422020175;mats;indigenous peoples are useless
989225;1422020178;muXne;noone is
989226;1422020189;muXne;using it
989227;1422020270;muXne;byr weve got a pipe going in
989228;1422020441;muXne;agip it to nowhere
989229;1422020553;muXne;this us what opec says
989230;1422020696;muXne;you just gotta pump that shit
989231;1422020729;muXne;!up felipelalli
989232;1422020992;punkman;!up muXne
989233;1422020997;punkman;!up felipelalli1
989234;1422021036;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 5000 @ 0.00089993 = 4.4997 BTC [+] {6} 
989235;1422021040;punkman;!up pactr
989236;1422021097;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 9972 @ 0.00089996 = 8.9744 BTC [+] {10} 
989237;1422021402;davout;muXne: your sentences are hard to parse
989238;1422021482;muXne;yes, it's dark, and i can'y see they kb, i imagine most can see the querty
989239;1422021801;muXne;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z2UdJhqVsc8 check thi shut, gluffypony massive
989240;1422021803;assbot;Jack Parow - Afrikaans is Dood - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1ClFKML )
989241;1422021857;fluffypony;my homeboy
989242;1422021898;davout;afrikaans is zeker leuk
989243;1422021922;fluffypony;don't come all up in here with your Dutchness :-P
989244;1422021962;danielpbarron;i know a little dutch, but i have no idea how to spell it
989245;1422022068;muXne;i think afrikaan might ne a little diff
989246;1422022124;davout;no shit
989247;1422022148;fluffypony;lol
989248;1422022149;muXne;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lRzFqW4Xh2k\
989249;1422022150;assbot;Jack Parow - Cooler as Ekke - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1ClGNMM )
989250;1422023266;davout;such landing, very wow
989251;1422023267;davout;https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&x-yt-cl=84503534&x-yt-ts=1421914688&v=xdo69ZkakqA#t=315
989252;1422023269;assbot;Vol découverte Fouga Magister "Myriam" Cervolix 2011 - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1ClKf9W )
989253;1422023338;davout;i'm totally buying a mig or an f18 in a few years
989254;1422024028;mod6;holy schnikies, it's still going: 134,865
989255;1422025982;thestringpuller;;;ticker
989256;1422025984;gribble;Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 234.01, Best ask: 234.49, Bid-ask spread: 0.48000, Last trade: 234.0, 24 hour volume: 16656.61923710, 24 hour low: 225.55, 24 hour high: 240.0, 24 hour vwap: 232.110882254
989257;1422027316;davout;so TIL that coindesk belongs to shakil kan, investor in bitpay and kraken, and that bitcoinmagazine now belongs to bitpay (through some entity of which galippi has a stake in)
989258;1422027783;punkman;davout, no gallipi's entity sold the magazine
989259;1422027798;davout;punkman: to whom?
989260;1422027802;punkman;https://bitcoinmagazine.com/19079/btc-media-acquires-bitcoin-magazine/
989261;1422027803;assbot;BTC Media Acquires Bitcoin Magazine – Bitcoin Magazine ... ( http://bit.ly/1EBp7w2 )
989262;1422027897;davout;punkman: ok, ty for correcting my mistake!
989263;1422028235;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5500 @ 0.00047867 = 2.6327 BTC [-]
989264;1422028257;thestringpuller;oh they finally sold it
989265;1422028261;thestringpuller;haha took them long enough
989266;1422028277;thestringpuller;now bitpay won't lose so much money
989267;1422028419;thestringpuller;davout: bitpay was trying to sell bitcoin magazine for some time, it's really unprofitable, most profit was on appreciation in value of the bitcoin they swindled from people paying 5-6 btc per issue back in 2011
989268;1422028517;fluffypony;nubbins`: there
989269;1422028519;fluffypony;you can tahnk me later
989270;1422028765;punkman;wtf was this thing "Coin Publishing LLC is collectively owned by individuals owning or  working at BitPay, Butterfly Labs, Google, Casascius, 20 Mission, and  Virtual Processing Solutions."
989271;1422028784;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 1166 @ 0.00089981 = 1.0492 BTC [-] {7} 
989272;1422030274;ben_vulpes;buenos dias mis pirómanos
989273;1422030611;ben_vulpes;http://40.media.tumblr.com/973de9a76c1d60f52173199e053d9e25/tumblr_ng3qs8sdhy1s9e2ofo1_500.jpg me, i'm more of a city type. << glasses off, eyes down.
989274;1422030612;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1JhJtx2 )
989275;1422030652;mircea_popescu;and well shaved.
989276;1422030797;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 67000 @ 0.000473 = 31.691 BTC [-] {3} 
989277;1422030933;ben_vulpes;whoa nijotz dropped by?
989278;1422030960;ben_vulpes;nijotz: you know this place is full of women hate and racism right?
989279;1422030969;ben_vulpes;exploitation, objectification, the whole lot
989280;1422030973;ben_vulpes;you'll tar your good name in here
989281;1422031301;ben_vulpes;<mircea_popescu> no wallet at all. << precisely this.
989282;1422031314;mircea_popescu;who's he ?
989283;1422031320;mircea_popescu;!up nijotz
989284;1422031335;nijotz;ah ty
989285;1422031352;nijotz;was trying to preach about niggercunts
989286;1422031371;ben_vulpes;oh no voice yet?
989287;1422031374;mircea_popescu;the who ?
989288;1422031392;ben_vulpes;!rate nijotz 1 dis guy i know
989289;1422031392;assbot;nijotz is not registered in WoT.
989290;1422031395;mircea_popescu;;;seen petterl
989291;1422031395;nijotz;>you'll tar your good name
989292;1422031395;gribble;I have not seen petterl.
989293;1422031395;ben_vulpes;paha
989294;1422031399;mircea_popescu;;;seen peterl
989295;1422031399;gribble;peterl was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 14 hours, 54 minutes, and 5 seconds ago: <PeterL> oh, that was me restarting it again, be back up in a sec
989296;1422031402;nijotz;It's a good thing I don't have one
989297;1422031409;ben_vulpes;make a new one
989298;1422031413;ben_vulpes;keys are cheap
989299;1422031764;davout;punkman: re bitcoinmagazine, this galippi quote is slightly confusing then: "We’re extremely proud of Bitcoin Magazine’s accomplishments, but know that we’ve only scratched the surface. The opportunity to join forces with BTC Media’s extremely capable and visionary team was the strategic move we needed to fully realize our potential."
989300;1422031834;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 30 @ 0.10000815 = 3.0002 BTC [+] {7} 
989301;1422031930;mircea_popescu;lmao srsly ? re-re-re starting that dead fish ?
989302;1422032016;mircea_popescu;;;later tell bingoboingo now that pair is actually trying to resurect bitcoin magazine again, a blow by blow history of exactly how bitpay & the scam foundation stole that magazine from its owners a coupla years ago would be quite topical. the forum's got a pile of posts, see vladimir's stuff, maybe even interview him.
989303;1422032016;gribble;The operation succeeded.
989304;1422033004;thestringpuller;mircea_popescu: valdimir?
989305;1422033023;thestringpuller;mircea_popescu: pair was never in charage of btcmagazine iirc it was all tony
989306;1422033059;mircea_popescu;pair is the bitpay ceo. vladimir is, as far as i know, the owner of btc magazine
989307;1422033068;mircea_popescu;notwithstanding pretenses to the contrary.
989308;1422033086;davout;wasn't he the guy that actually started it ?
989309;1422033116;mircea_popescu;http://trilema.com/2012/ciuciu-bond/#comment-87616 (mihai alisie being teh turning stone on that bi of theft)
989310;1422033116;assbot;Ciuciu Bond pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.  ... ( http://bit.ly/1CKbn0l )
989311;1422033120;mircea_popescu;davout yeah.
989312;1422033131;ben_vulpes;http://www.theregister.co.uk/2015/01/22/thunderstruck_spaceplane/ << totally never doable in the states
989313;1422033133;assbot;Oz father and son team plan suborbital spaceplane • The Register     ... ( http://bit.ly/1CKbrxc )
989314;1422033140;mircea_popescu;he started it, then the office gofer ran off with the keys,.
989315;1422033159;thestringpuller;it was always a scam tho
989316;1422033169;mircea_popescu;!up saifedean
989317;1422033262;ben_vulpes;http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2015/01/150122114405.htm << probably just pornography, a la the logs for this place
989318;1422033263;assbot;Major breakthrough in reading ancient scrolls -- ScienceDaily ... ( http://bit.ly/1CKbRDR )
989319;1422033299;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17200 @ 0.00048532 = 8.3475 BTC [+] {2} 
989320;1422033306;ben_vulpes;also not really a breakthrough until the text's been parsed, but whaddaya want from "science" these days.
989321;1422033332;mircea_popescu;http://trilema.com/2015/the-godfather/ bring in the hate.
989322;1422033332;assbot;The godfather pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.  ... ( http://bit.ly/1CKc7m9 )
989323;1422033360;ben_vulpes;;;later tell pete_dushenski http://www.classicdriver.com/en/car/mercedes-benz/sl-190/1958/276479 << i still don't see why you need that boat when you could have something pretty looking and leggy
989324;1422033361;assbot;1958 Mercedes-Benz SL 190  - 190 SL Roadster | Classic Driver Market ... ( http://bit.ly/1CKceOI )
989325;1422033361;gribble;The operation succeeded.
989326;1422033411;mircea_popescu;boat better for fucking in.
989327;1422033426;ben_vulpes;!v assbot:ben_vulpes.rate.nijotz.1:2d059de0adbebaa481f0efb6ce77cf7ff0034a39cd7cc5f8051ee8d4f8654833
989328;1422033427;assbot;Successfully added a rating of 1 for nijotz with note: dis guy i know
989329;1422033431;ben_vulpes;you and your car fetish
989330;1422033454;ben_vulpes;gearshift can be a fun toy
989331;1422033463;TomServo;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=364pXTYeFzY
989332;1422033464;assbot;Tailgating - Lost Highway (Lynch) - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1CKcxJj )
989333;1422033468;mircea_popescu;it's not a car fetish if you're not fucking the car@
989334;1422033487;TomServo;(front passenger is named Pete, coincidentally)
989335;1422033507;ben_vulpes;excuses excuses
989336;1422033619;mircea_popescu;great TomServo :D
989337;1422033630;punkman;mircea_popescu: http://trilema.com/2015/the-godfather/ bring in the hate. << lol "Deux Ex Fucking Puzzina"
989338;1422033630;assbot;The godfather pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.  ... ( http://bit.ly/1CKdhhD )
989339;1422033643;punkman;I watched it recently, didn't care for it
989340;1422033661;mircea_popescu;it's incredible what people end up having their careers built on.
989341;1422033676;mircea_popescu;without that, neither al nor francis'd hjave been heard of, perhaps. and yet...
989342;1422033681;punkman;made me realize how retarded IMDB ratings are actually
989343;1422033692;mircea_popescu;what's this, 10 ?
989344;1422033693;mircea_popescu;11 ?
989345;1422033702;punkman;I think it was #1
989346;1422033724;mircea_popescu;i meant 11/10
989347;1422033766;punkman;it's #2 apparently http://www.imdb.com/chart/top
989348;1422033768;assbot;IMDb Top 250 - IMDb ... ( http://bit.ly/1CKdEIZ )
989349;1422033772;mircea_popescu;http://40.media.tumblr.com/a824b2aafc26b50a920698a8bbca2baf/tumblr_n5wzqmn3sl1s9e2ofo1_500.jpg
989350;1422033773;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1CKdHVk )
989351;1422034648;mircea_popescu;punkman: fake boyfriends that is << the trouble with an actual boyfriend is that he just might make you a woman
989352;1422034658;mircea_popescu;and girls generally dun wanna be women anymore than boys actually wanna be men.
989353;1422034706;mircea_popescu;assbot: Bitcoin (and Blockchain) | Andreessen Horowitz ...  << lmao horowitz ALSO wishes to be first best biggest ?
989354;1422034712;mircea_popescu;these idiots just won't read, will they.
989355;1422034780;mircea_popescu;"why should i figure out how actual history flowed when i can just make up an imaginary history for myself! not like the same exact processes are going to repeat themselves or anything.... I CAN DO WHAT I WANT! The world outside my head doesn't really exist! "
989356;1422034839;mircea_popescu;"so what if mp said in 2012 that we have a littlew time left and in 2013 that our time ran out. WE ARE STARTING THE COUNT IN 2014! So there!"
989357;1422035011;mircea_popescu;davout: so TIL that coindesk belongs to shakil kan, investor in bitpay and kraken, and that bitcoinmagazine now belongs to bitpay (through some entity of which galippi has a stake in) << lawl.
989358;1422035026;mircea_popescu;yes, they been working butt off to buy relevancy in the space. modest results.
989359;1422035136;punkman;https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=129722.msg1387040#msg1387040
989360;1422035136;assbot;What to expect from Bitcoin Magazine ... ( http://bit.ly/1CKiHcq )
989361;1422035148;ben_vulpes;<mircea_popescu> punkman: fake boyfriends that is << the trouble with an actual boyfriend is that he just might make you a woman << just what distinguishes women from girls?
989362;1422035181;punkman;"He also started to charge BitTalk Media at a rate of 80 GBP per hour for  the time required to respond to messages and emails that asked for  clarifications and actions regarding these company assets.  Even more,  he was paying himself for the time that was required to pay himself. All  these actions lead towards considering him as a rogue/hostile  shareholder."
989363;1422035203;mircea_popescu;punkman actual term of law, "rogue/hostile shareholder" dontchaknow.
989364;1422035239;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes do you know what's the difference between a useful employee and a dweeb with no understanding of anything that's going to "totally revolutionize the way you do business" ?
989365;1422035262;ben_vulpes;myeah i can smell that.
989366;1422035270;ben_vulpes;hm.
989367;1422035302;mircea_popescu;okay. it's a similar thing for women. a girl "thinks she migh have been raped". a woman is slightly bemused at your apparent expectation that taking her clothes off puts HER at a disadvantage.
989368;1422035304;punkman;mircea_popescu: punkman actual term of law, "rogue/hostile shareholder" dontchaknow. < it is?
989369;1422035314;mircea_popescu;punkman no, i'm mocking the dweebs
989370;1422035525;mircea_popescu;the entire nonsense shows a ridoinculous unfamiliarity with what isbeingdiscussed and what the forms involved are.
989371;1422035539;mircea_popescu;like fifteen year old "businessmen" in the ghetto.
989372;1422035575;ben_vulpes;<mircea_popescu> okay. it's a similar thing for women. a girl "thinks she migh have been raped". a woman is slightly bemused at your apparent expectation that taking her clothes off puts HER at a disadvantage. << huh.
989373;1422035606;mircea_popescu;punkman: wtf was this thing "Coin Publishing LLC is collectively owned by individuals owning or working at BitPay, Butterfly Labs, Google, Casascius, 20 Mission, and Virtual Processing Solutions." << this thing was the cartel.
989374;1422035618;mircea_popescu;back when we arrayed forces, in 2012, there were a lot more of them.
989375;1422035625;mircea_popescu;not so many left, and i'm not done.
989376;1422036053;mircea_popescu;http://41.media.tumblr.com/5eafaf664d466204daee061a4709b739/tumblr_nguive3jof1st57i5o1_1280.jpg
989377;1422036054;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1yMYggg )
989378;1422036474;jurov;http://fortune.com/2015/01/22/the-age-of-unicorns/
989379;1422036475;assbot;The Age of Unicorns - Fortune ... ( http://bit.ly/1yMZ8kR )
989380;1422036489;jurov;"the startup world, a valuation of $1 billion says that you’re no longer a fly-by-night startup with plans to quickly sell out to Google."
989381;1422036755;mircea_popescu;heh
989382;1422037452;ben_vulpes;quick poll: stehpinklers or sitzpinklers?
989383;1422037787;ben_vulpes;Kushed: you're flapping.
989384;1422037829;ben_vulpes;https://twitter.com/cointhink/status/558670481088184322
989385;1422037830;assbot;/cryptsy DRK/XRP market shows the top bid higher than the top ask. How/why is that happening? http://t.co/xdXnoFMF7v
989386;1422037903;fluffypony;lol
989387;1422038666;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 44200 @ 0.00049077 = 21.692 BTC [+] {2} 
989388;1422038899;mats;http://www.dailyfx.com/forex/technical/home/analysis/eur-usd/2015/01/23/dailyclassics_eur-usd.html
989389;1422038902;assbot;EUR/USD Technical Analysis: Passing on Short for Now | DailyFX
989390;1422039648;mats;idk why i keep reading HN comments about BTC related things
989391;1422039663;mats;i am massively disappointed every time
989392;1422039793;asciilifeform;pete_dushenski: your cloak doesn't work.
989393;1422039855;mats;too late, drone is en route
989394;1422039891;mats;https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=8933581
989395;1422039892;assbot;Warren Buffett said Bitcoins are a mirage and I agree.  They are worthless hashe... | Hacker News ... ( http://bit.ly/1GISCkv )
989396;1422039922;asciilifeform;trololol
989397;1422039937;mats;"cash is a mirage and i agree. they are worthless cotton"
989398;1422039964;mats;b-brilliant.
989399;1422040813;mod6;it died finally.
989400;1422041352;mats;block?
989401;1422041376;mats;*block number?
989402;1422041411;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 32400 @ 0.00047122 = 15.2675 BTC [-]
989403;1422041640;mod6;it easily lasted 12-14 hours. made it up to height=136572
989404;1422041668;mod6;im not going to continue this sync, unless requested. i think that's a decent demonstration
989405;1422041674;mod6;with 128mb ram
989406;1422042601;mats;http://www.csoonline.com/article/2874230/cybercrime-hacking/thousands-of-us-gas-stations-exposed-to-internet-attacks.html
989407;1422042602;assbot;Thousands of U.S. gas stations exposed to Internet attacks | CSO Online ... ( http://bit.ly/1t7Npwe )
989408;1422043112;TomServo;Not sure why an ATG would have it's own internet facing connection, rather than ride on the gas stations' network.
989409;1422043244;mats;http://www.reddit.com/r/netsec/comments/2te5h8/the_internet_of_gas_station_tank_gauges_thousands/cnybzgs
989410;1422043246;assbot;gsuberland comments on The Internet of Gas Station Tank Gauges - thousands of tank gauges on open Internet ... ( http://bit.ly/1JuCNd5 )
989411;1422043333;mats;>found a couple of air purifiers on Shodan ... Turns out they were biochem air purifiers that provided negative pressure in a BSL3 lab ... Turning them off or reversing their direction ... was possible, according to a manual I found
989412;1422043454;mats;http://www.aphl.org/aphlprograms/preparedness-and-response/Smallpox/pdf/the-1-2-3s-of-biosafety-levels.pdf >> "BSL-3 is suitable for work with infectious agents which may cause serious or potentially lethal diseases as a result of exposure by the inhalation route... Examples of agents that should be manipulated at BSL-3 are M. tuberculosis St. Louis
989413;1422043456;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1t7RjVX )
989414;1422043456;mats;encephalitis virus, and Coxiella burnetii"
989415;1422043472;mats;brilliant.
989416;1422045211;danielpbarron;I picked up some funny negative ratings in the tardstalk WoT over the woodcollector scam
989417;1422045224;danielpbarron;So obvious he is a sock puppet. i would highly advise against not only doing business with this account, but engaging in any kind of conversation with this weirdo.
989418;1422045230;danielpbarron;Another sock puppet possible purchased account of Nubbins / Paul Revere. Also a ranting and raving Jesus humping Bible thumping verifiable crazy person it appears. Stay clear of this one for sure.
989419;1422045286;asciilifeform;sc4mz0rz in 'tilt mode' are so very entertaining.
989420;1422046572;TomServo;https://twitter.com/a_greenberg/status/558715505721507840
989421;1422046573;assbot;This, no joke, is the coffee shop where a bunch of reporters have been hanging out during Ross Ulbricht's trial http://t.co/OouCKFg3kP
989422;1422046597;TomServo;It's called "Silkroad Place", HA!
989423;1422047127;asciilifeform;mats: net-connected air filters, etc. << the 'hammurabic' punishment for having built such a thing ought to be, perhaps, to be placed in a net-connected electric chair for a few days. can be turned on by, e.g., an snmp packet.
989424;1422047309;davout;ping inmate-01.correction-facility.gov
989425;1422047319;asciilifeform;kbzzzzz.
989426;1422047391;kakobrekla;now it doesnt resolve anymore
989427;1422047410;davout;m
989428;1422047417;davout;you used too painful command line options
989429;1422047610;davout;til the meninist movement is a thing
989430;1422047760;davout;!up cazalla
989431;1422047771;cazalla;ty, no scoopbot around so http://qntra.net/2015/01/amid-domain-name-hijacking-coinfires-alleged-sec-source-is-revealed/
989432;1422047771;assbot;Amid Domain Name Hijacking, CoinFire's Alleged SEC Source Is Revealed | Qntra.net ... ( http://bit.ly/1yDYE0d )
989433;1422047845;pete_dushenski;asciilifeform net-connected electric chair for << haha!
989434;1422047892;pete_dushenski;davout meninist = menonite feminists ?
989435;1422047908;davout;what's menonite?
989436;1422047949;pete_dushenski;it's a anti-tech christian
989437;1422047962;pete_dushenski;small rural clans, farmers mostly
989438;1422047977;davout;today i keep learning
989439;1422047979;mats;the claim re: SEC source seems dubious on its face
989440;1422047984;pete_dushenski;a new group splits off as soon as population >150
989441;1422048005;kakobrekla;i thought menonite is amish
989442;1422048014;kakobrekla;or relative to.
989443;1422048024;pete_dushenski;pretty much
989444;1422048037;pete_dushenski;oh, it's two n's --> mennonite
989445;1422048043;pete_dushenski;well, 3 total
989446;1422048083;TomServo;So what's a meninist then?
989447;1422048095;cazalla;mats, well, i included alleged but if the attacker managed to take their domain and twitter account from them, it wouldn't surprise me if sec source name is true, i'm not claiming that anyway, just reporting on what was said
989448;1422048111;davout;i understand as the same thing as a feminist but for men
989449;1422048119;davout;*understand it
989450;1422048127;TomServo;oh
989451;1422048142;mats;cazalla: ic
989452;1422048315;pete_dushenski;;;later tell ben_vulpes i'm not really a convertible guy. if i was going to one-up myself, i'd go for the bulletproof 560 sel http://www.autotrader.co.uk/used-cars/mercedes-benz/560/used-mercedes-benz-560-marylebone-fpa-201310129249992
989453;1422048316;assbot;MERCEDES-BENZ 560 Saloon for sale in Marylebone | Auto Trader ... ( http://bit.ly/1yE0WMR )
989454;1422048316;gribble;The operation succeeded.
989455;1422048357;asciilifeform;'Currently, an individual's cyber behavior is not checked during the security clearance investigative and adjudicative process because legal and privacy limits have not been clearly defined... ... Because the Army's demographic includes many young Soldiers, security clearance investigations often cover a shorter period of time... ... While this poses some risks, the overwhelming majority of these Soldiers have proven that they
989456;1422048358;asciilifeform; are not a security risk.' << mega-lol << http://cryptome.org/2015/01/Manning-Wikileaks-AR-15-6-ROI.pdf (pp. 31)
989457;1422048363;pete_dushenski;i mean, who doesn't want 3" thick windows on their car?
989458;1422048377;mats;shipping container on wheels
989459;1422048387;pete_dushenski;precious cargo
989460;1422048396;davout;lol
989461;1422048418;asciilifeform;the fastest, thickest, most luxurious car is --- not having to go places.
989462;1422048447;davout;asciilifeform: you meant the bestestest
989463;1422048449;ben_vulpes;man you are *lazy*
989464;1422048467;ben_vulpes;allergic to the outdoors or something?
989465;1422048470;pete_dushenski;asciilifeform that lack of cloak ealier would explain why my internet went down 3! times this morning, oh so conveniently every time i tried to log on.
989466;1422048473;asciilifeform;love the outdoors.
989467;1422048479;asciilifeform;how much outdoors does one get inside car.
989468;1422048489;ben_vulpes;one must get to the place one wants to be, though.
989469;1422048497;asciilifeform;not if you live there?
989470;1422048512;TomServo;pete_dushenski: is your client auto-joining #b-a?
989471;1422048517;pete_dushenski;you can't live everywhere you want to be...
989472;1422048533;pete_dushenski;TomServo yes.
989473;1422048538;davout;i love the outdoors, as long as it stays outdoors
989474;1422048543;asciilifeform;some folks do live where they want to be.
989475;1422048549;asciilifeform;iirc, mircea_popescu doesn't drive.
989476;1422048565;davout;he cheats, he gets driven around
989477;1422048566;pete_dushenski;mp still takes taxis
989478;1422048570;pete_dushenski;right
989479;1422048572;TomServo;pete_dushenski: Likely the cause of the failed cloak.. it doesn't activate until you've authed with services.
989480;1422048596;pete_dushenski;TomServo aha well that'd do it.
989481;1422048629;asciilifeform;and now we know that ddosbot is still here.
989482;1422048631;pete_dushenski;i was trying a client called scam or something... ah snak, that was it
989483;1422048660;pete_dushenski;great layout and big fonts but it doesn't store the nickserv info
989484;1422048666;davout;asciilifeform: my connection pretty much *always* gets beaten to a pulp when i touch #b-a uncloaked
989485;1422048690;pete_dushenski;ddosbot is as fiery as ever.
989486;1422048737;davout;it's actually pretty lame that people *must* be cloaked to come here, even for the first time
989487;1422048746;pete_dushenski;asciilifeform and living where you want to live =! not needed to drive de temps a temps
989488;1422048764;pete_dushenski;needing*
989489;1422048778;asciilifeform;pete_dushenski: i admit that i'd still keep a car even if did not need to drive to work sites
989490;1422048778;pete_dushenski;davout yet another barrier to entry
989491;1422048787;asciilifeform;pete_dushenski: but can't say i'd use it particularly often then
989492;1422048851;pete_dushenski;this is north america after all. not having a car is like not having a temperature controlled home
989493;1422048860;davout;pete_dushenski: some interesting people we'd like to have around could very well not be so technically proficient
989494;1422048896;pete_dushenski;i completely agree
989495;1422048900;pete_dushenski;herr taleb, for one.
989496;1422048913;davout;exactly him i was talking about
989497;1422048915;pete_dushenski;but what we'd like and what is do not meet here
989498;1422048942;davout;if it keeps taleb out and lets taaki in it's probably the wrong kind of barrier to entry :D
989499;1422048947;pete_dushenski;this brings up the old idea of hiring someone to hand the man a logged in laptop
989500;1422048964;asciilifeform;if he wanted in, he'd be here.
989501;1422049033;pete_dushenski;maybe the next time taleb and saifedean cross paths ?
989502;1422049163;thestringpuller;asciilifeform wants this: http://www.playfulleeds.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2012/09/tube.jpg
989503;1422049189;TomServo;I'd probably take steps to avoid this place if my first taste was the sexyginger video.
989504;1422049193;*;TomServo shudders.
989505;1422049218;thestringpuller;TomServo: sexyginger video?
989506;1422049221;mats;humorless, you are
989507;1422049222;asciilifeform;TomServo: my working hypothesis is that, for a figure like taleb, the whole net smells a little too much of taaki and sexyginger et al
989508;1422049234;pete_dushenski;thestringpuller did you see the "same damn time" video in my last article ? i thought you might get a kick out of it
989509;1422049245;TomServo;thestringpuller: joking, sexysaffron
989510;1422049253;pete_dushenski;TomServo lol you're assuming he even saw it
989511;1422049274;TomServo;pete_dushenski: no, simply stating what my reaction would be
989512;1422049311;pete_dushenski;well it's not like this place is hard to avoid
989513;1422049322;pete_dushenski;even those "in bitcoin" seem pretty adept at this task
989514;1422049369;TomServo;asciilifeform: I'd say you're likely to be correct on that.
989515;1422049370;pete_dushenski;asciilifeform taleb also seems to genuinely enjoy facebook and twitter
989516;1422049419;asciilifeform;pete_dushenski: does he actually do two-way traffic in those, or does he simply have a perl script to broadcast his utterances every which way.
989517;1422049463;TomServo;I seem to recall him in at least 1 twitter argument.
989518;1422049507;pete_dushenski;he's constantly in twitter arguments
989519;1422049511;pete_dushenski;mostly gmo these days
989520;1422049546;pete_dushenski;skewering journalists and pseudoscientists who don't understand what a fat tail is
989521;1422049619;ben_vulpes;;;tslb
989522;1422049624;gribble;Time since last block: 37 minutes and 4 seconds
989523;1422049781;mats;;;bc,stats
989524;1422049786;gribble;Current Blocks: 340222 | Current Difficulty: 4.397166205608958E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 340703 | Next Difficulty In: 481 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 3 days, 20 hours, 21 minutes, and 7 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 42039814636.8 | Estimated Percent Change: -4.39339
989525;1422049795;pete_dushenski;Nassim Nicholas Taleb: December 29, 2014 at 7:45pm: "With the information age the world looks uglier, dirtier, more corrupt, scheming, mostly because the malicious was hidden from us before."
989526;1422049813;pete_dushenski;^this explains why he sticks to the "cleanliness" of sm
989527;1422049831;pete_dushenski;who knows what evil lurks in the hearts of men!
989528;1422049919;mats;that last part doesn't look well written
989529;1422050796;xanthyos;sunlight is the best disinfectant
989530;1422050805;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 2313 @ 0.00092784 = 2.1461 BTC [+] {10} 
989531;1422050866;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 3694 @ 0.00092986 = 3.4349 BTC [+] {8} 
989532;1422050980;jurov;<davout> it occurs to me it would be really nice to have a way to easily dice-generate an rsa keypair << needs just some 1585 dice throws to get two 2048bit seeds (from them prime search is sequential)
989533;1422050981;fluffypony;I found old Karpeles wisdom
989534;1422050982;fluffypony;http://php.net/manual/en/function.fputcsv.php#72428
989535;1422050984;assbot;PHP: fputcsv - Manual  ... ( http://bit.ly/15E9jNr )
989536;1422051003;davout;jurov: à coeur vaillant, rien d'impossible
989537;1422051024;jurov;why? once per second, in half hour you're done
989538;1422051054;davout;;;dice 20d20
989539;1422051054;gribble;8, 7, 14, 7, 11, 9, 1, 11, 11, 1, 1, 14, 5, 2, 13, 5, 19, 9, 13, and 18
989540;1422051109;jurov;not much of a bravery
989541;1422051151;davout;wai, you didn't hear of the actual dice-launching leprechauns powering gribble?
989542;1422051232;jurov;mircea has actual trained woman not some pesky creatures. throw, mash key 1-6, repeat all day
989543;1422051237;jurov;*women
989544;1422051297;jurov;no wonder gribble isn't working every now and then
989545;1422051322;jurov;kakobrekla: and what does assbot use?
989546;1422051368;jurov;pulls the numbers out of its ass, i suppose
989547;1422051432;pete_dushenski;it's not called trainedwomenthrowingdicebot
989548;1422051508;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes, mod6, mircea_popescu, jurov: anybody ever try bitcoind (any ver.) on 'minix' ?
989549;1422051510;pete_dushenski;"The stock—which trades under the symbol BOX—opened at $20.20 on the New York Stock Exchange, rose as high as $24.73 and closed at $23.23, up 66% from its initial public offering price of $14."
989550;1422051589;jurov;i had a thought about djgpp but minix? never
989551;1422051603;thestringpuller;roll d20 to see if you don't get molested at catholic school. hit 15 to evade
989552;1422051615;thestringpuller;;;dice 1d20
989553;1422051615;gribble;7
989554;1422051621;thestringpuller;OH NO
989555;1422051687;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes, mod6, mircea_popescu: incidentally, the 'pogo' i bought just showed up. will test 0.5.3 there.
989556;1422051941;kakobrekla;jurov for otp? sha256 of a paragraph i made up from non-dict words plus some pseudo random bs that changes each run
989557;1422051954;kakobrekla;i dont have a better idea atm
989558;1422052146;kakobrekla;it does contain a lot of irony though if that helps
989559;1422052350;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes, mod6, mircea_popescu: http://pastebin.com/bxmXGaw7 << basics work.
989560;1422052352;assbot;root on $18 arm box - Pastebin.com ... ( http://bit.ly/1JvlOYm )
989561;1422053301;danielpbarron;!up Bagels7
989562;1422053492;jurov;http://qntra.net/2015/01/winkelvii-intend-new-york-based-exchanged/  exchanged === exchange?
989563;1422053492;assbot;Winkelvii Intend New York Based Exchanged | Qntra.net ... ( http://bit.ly/1JvqOw6 )
989564;1422053572;jurov;and isn't winklevii?
989565;1422053608;ben_vulpes;minix, eh?
989566;1422053711;ben_vulpes;not i.
989567;1422053863;xanthyos;!up Bagels7
989568;1422054067;ben_vulpes;nOgAnOo: you're cloaking tardily.
989569;1422054400;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform o hey nice
989570;1422054405;mircea_popescu;!up rdymac
989571;1422054430;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: there's a 128mB eeprom. about to write freebsd there.
989572;1422054444;mircea_popescu;how hard would it be to replace ?
989573;1422054458;rdymac;Yep?
989574;1422054464;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: why replace it? the thing has three usb3, one sd, and one sata jack.
989575;1422054472;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: can likewise boot from these.
989576;1422054476;mircea_popescu;oh!
989577;1422054481;mircea_popescu;25 bux ? srsly ?
989578;1422054483;asciilifeform;18.
989579;1422054486;mircea_popescu;rdymac nothin in particular.
989580;1422054487;asciilifeform;not incl. mail.
989581;1422054496;asciilifeform;(i had it overnighted, because i could.)
989582;1422054513;mircea_popescu;nubbins` say, would you wish to act as distribution agent for the serenissima full node box ?
989583;1422054545;rdymac;:) I though you were talking about Venezuela again :)
989584;1422054563;asciilifeform;there is, for the record, an identical (but for lack of sata and one of the usb jacks) device which retails for 12 usd.
989585;1422054580;mircea_popescu;sata is worth the 6 bux tho
989586;1422054588;*;asciilifeform also thought this.
989587;1422054619;mircea_popescu;rdymac haha nope. but i did note the evo morales cartoon character proposes a seafaring bolivia of the future.
989588;1422054739;rdymac;All oficialismo crooks smoke the same shit
989589;1422054746;mircea_popescu;quite.
989590;1422054765;mircea_popescu;http://41.media.tumblr.com/bcdaf3fcde4781c4a6e026380ab45f69/tumblr_ngv8svBo8j1t66g5ro1_1280.jpg << part one of the bitcoin-assets guide to perfect waitressing. today, the smile.
989591;1422054766;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1Jvxgmz )
989592;1422054828;Bagels7;WOAH
989593;1422054848;mircea_popescu;http://40.media.tumblr.com/350770b31859e4fb5e909aae8de287f6/tumblr_n8aq8sg4QS1tgs8v6o4_500.jpg < tomorrow we do the leg action.
989594;1422054849;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1JvxKcr )
989595;1422055049;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: the logical way to set these up, i think, is to boot from attached disk if one is found; otherwise from internal eeprom, which ought to contain an automatic 'everything-installer' (of our distribution.)
989596;1422055059;rdymac;mircea_popescu: dude! I'm in a fucking public place xD
989597;1422055065;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: that way, user can swap the disk at his pleasure
989598;1422055067;mircea_popescu;rdekley so are they.
989599;1422055085;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform i was thinking, supply unit + sada preimaged.
989600;1422055088;mircea_popescu;sata*
989601;1422055092;davout;mircea_popescu: a publick fucking place
989602;1422055101;asciilifeform;everyone already owns a bag of sata disks.
989603;1422055108;mircea_popescu;public place fucking!
989604;1422055111;asciilifeform;or large sd, or usb stick
989605;1422055113;asciilifeform;(all options)
989606;1422055119;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform yeah you're right.
989607;1422055143;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform did you get it off amazon or actual supplier ?
989608;1422055149;*;asciilifeform is still waiting to hear the story of why anyone, other than us, would wish to buy one of these and plug it in
989609;1422055157;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: amazon
989610;1422055174;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: there are a few sources for these. my understanding is that they are still in production.
989611;1422055213;mircea_popescu;yeah in point of fact, we don't need to clunk up distribution
989612;1422055227;mircea_popescu;rdymac http://36.media.tumblr.com/0a938c036c3bac7d8f7a93b0859186af/tumblr_n8aq8sg4QS1tgs8v6o9_500.jpg there just for you.
989613;1422055229;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1Jvzq5U )
989614;1422055364;mircea_popescu;danielpbarron: Another sock puppet possible purchased account of Nubbins / Paul Revere. << i lolled
989615;1422055376;mircea_popescu;im so totally going to call nubsy peter minuit from now on.
989616;1422055455;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform: mats: net-connected air filters, etc. << the 'hammurabic' punishment << http://www.fuckingmachines.com/site/shoots.jsp
989617;1422055457;assbot;Sex Machines, Squirting and Extreme Orgasms - Updates ... ( http://bit.ly/1JvAyGo )
989618;1422055473;mircea_popescu;im kind-of amazed there's not this thing already, girl tied to chair, insert coin to make the rabbit hop.
989619;1422055541;mircea_popescu;"Yes, the rumors are true. Our domain was stolen. Our registrar says we likely can't get it back." lmao
989620;1422055548;mircea_popescu;so how is it OUR registrar then
989621;1422055616;jurov;http://btc.yt/lxr/source/ is now public
989622;1422055617;assbot;HEAD/ ... ( http://bit.ly/1JvBjzk )
989623;1422055630;jurov;just a preview with 0.5.3 upstream, will be adding more versions
989624;1422055666;mircea_popescu;Update 2 � Mike from CoinFire has posted a response  in which he denies that his source has been identified  << that derp is so un-credible by now...
989625;1422055678;mircea_popescu;jurov cool!
989626;1422055685;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8550 @ 0.00047132 = 4.0298 BTC [+]
989627;1422055761;mircea_popescu;mats: shipping container on wheels << he has a point you know. armored cars are meh. better off just go shoot whoever is going to be shooting you and be done wit hit.
989628;1422055779;jurov;with a drone
989629;1422055821;mats;a ya. anyway whats bulletproof glass gonna do when i set a charge under a manhole cover?
989630;1422055834;mircea_popescu;keep the brains inside the car.
989631;1422055848;mats;kek.
989632;1422055893;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform: the fastest, thickest, most luxurious car is --- not having to go places. << i still go places, even tho i dun have to.
989633;1422055943;kakobrekla;but you are weird.
989634;1422055962;mircea_popescu;davout: it's actually pretty lame that people *must* be cloaked to come here, even for the first time << why ?
989635;1422055971;mircea_popescu;kakobrekla im not weird, i'm just differently normal.
989636;1422055974;mircea_popescu;don't opress me.
989637;1422056033;mircea_popescu;pete_dushenski: this is north america after all. not having a car is like not having a temperature controlled home << i didn;t know fish liked to drive up north.
989638;1422056044;danielpbarron;http://www.vice.com/en_uk/read/blockhains-first-citizen-328
989639;1422056045;assbot;A New Form of ID Allows You to Be a Citizen of the World | VICE | United Kingdom ... ( http://bit.ly/1JvDqDp )
989640;1422056050;mircea_popescu;derp.
989641;1422056063;mircea_popescu;dude vice is almost as idiotic as twitter.
989642;1422056096;mircea_popescu;davout: pete_dushenski: some interesting people we'd like to have around could very well not be so technically proficient << sluts belong in the bedroom not in the public forum.
989643;1422056106;mircea_popescu;that's the only sort of technically inept interesting people that can be.
989644;1422056130;ben_vulpes;blech
989645;1422056134;ben_vulpes;that's pretty bad
989646;1422056196;mircea_popescu;i'm sure that upon invention of speech there were some pretty hott neanderthals that nevertheless couldn't make the cut.
989647;1422056207;mircea_popescu;and upon invention of writing there were tons of cool people that never caught the boat.
989648;1422056218;mircea_popescu;and so it goes. gotta keep with the times.
989649;1422056279;mircea_popescu;davout: if it keeps taleb out and lets taaki << doesn't seem to be doing that tho.
989650;1422056325;mircea_popescu;TomServo: I'd probably take steps to avoid this place if my first taste was the sexyginger video. << would you ? what wouldhave the contrary effect ?
989651;1422056343;kakobrekla;wait, there is a video?
989652;1422056350;davout;there is a video?
989653;1422056354;danielpbarron;Bitnation "white paper" hosted here: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1ZiIZ-rmI79HPNbfJ1AXwcgoe8TKMoUMatDf7YfO5LZw/edit and de-derpified here: http://danielpbarron.com/BITNATIONWhitepaper.txt
989654;1422056355;assbot;BITNATION Whitepaper - Google Documenten ... ( http://bit.ly/1JvEMOo )
989655;1422056357;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1JvEKWQ )
989656;1422056392;mircea_popescu;kakobrekla davout yes ? where've you been ?
989657;1422056459;mircea_popescu;danielpbarron seems a completely spurious attempt by people who have failed to read http://trilema.com/2013/why-i-nixed-p2p-colored-coins-and-all-that-jazz/
989658;1422056459;assbot;Why I nixed p2p, colored coins and all that jazz pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.  ... ( http://bit.ly/1JvF73z )
989659;1422056470;mircea_popescu;one does not become bitcoin-assets by defecating in google docs.
989660;1422056501;mircea_popescu;but adding Susanne Tarkowski Tempelhof to the list of blacklisted idiots is a useful result of the effort, i guess.
989661;1422056653;mircea_popescu;jurov: why? once per second, in half hour you're done << you can throw six at a time, be done in five minutes
989662;1422056672;mod6;asciilifeform: regarding 'pogo': Cool!
989663;1422056675;jurov;if you can key them in at once
989664;1422056746;jurov;um...theoretically possible to key in ten dice at once, one per finger
989665;1422056779;mircea_popescu;jurov two girl job but yes.
989666;1422056799;TomServo;mircea_popescu: what would have the contrary effect? << samples of many of the insightful conversation I've witnessed here over the years. Would do it for me at least.
989667;1422056812;jurov;one can throw dice using a foot mechanism, hands stay on keyboard
989668;1422056822;jurov;:D
989669;1422056829;mircea_popescu;TomServo conversation is meaningless outside context. how do you supply context ?
989670;1422056842;mircea_popescu;jurov or shoot dicelasers out of cunt ?
989671;1422056862;TomServo;mircea_popescu: link to logs? :)
989672;1422056882;kakobrekla;context is text made to con you.
989673;1422056889;mircea_popescu;jurov but realy, the correct way to do it is, make a 40x40 grid in a wooden box that's the size of the dice, buy 1600 dice, shake until they settle then photograph and read the thing.
989674;1422056892;mircea_popescu;takes 5 seconds.
989675;1422056900;mircea_popescu;lol kako
989676;1422056914;mircea_popescu;TomServo afaik that was tried multiple times.
989677;1422056957;jurov;nubbins`: suggest the woodscammer to make above dice contraptions?
989678;1422056980;mircea_popescu;it's really not hard to do. works best with good quality glass or ebonite dice best.
989679;1422057015;nubbins`;my cat is a carpet when she is on the way to the vet
989680;1422057053;jurov;she is? or you're on the way with her?
989681;1422057087;nubbins`;pet in car = carpet
989682;1422057094;nubbins`;;/
989683;1422057124;nubbins`;http://www.thespinningimage.co.uk/cultfilms/images/7807.jpg
989684;1422057125;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1JvHMdI )
989685;1422057129;nubbins`;^ shag carpet
989686;1422057131;mircea_popescu;jurov: and isn't winklevii?  << yeah it is, bingoboingo
989687;1422057142;jurov;yea. but you wrote as if the vet is the cat's initiative
989688;1422057184;nubbins`;o o o
989689;1422057187;nubbins`;i see
989690;1422057191;jurov;or is my engrish failing me?
989691;1422057192;nubbins`;and this is my first language ;/
989692;1422057201;jurov;:D
989693;1422057207;nubbins`;"my drink is on its way to me"
989694;1422057217;*;nubbins` places open mouth at bottom of slope
989695;1422057224;mircea_popescu;canadians have a first language ?!
989696;1422057258;jurov;yes, whatever the First Nations speak
989697;1422057283;danielpbarron;http://i.imgur.com/95DYiDj.png
989698;1422057284;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1BT6J3v )
989699;1422057337;mircea_popescu;http://41.media.tumblr.com/8a72238116a64fe92e97e9d056d689ae/tumblr_nfyb6eNSIj1sg5ymbo1_1280.jpg
989700;1422057338;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1BT6RQx )
989701;1422057346;mircea_popescu;i win.
989702;1422057368;mircea_popescu;wait, CROWD SALE ? it's not only stupid, it's also a scam ?
989703;1422057373;mircea_popescu;shocked, i am.
989704;1422057485;ben_vulpes;http://www.nature.com/news/ageing-research-blood-to-blood-1.16762 << okay now this is some cool science
989705;1422057487;assbot;Ageing research: Blood to blood : Nature News & Comment ... ( http://bit.ly/1BT7rxK )
989706;1422057529;ben_vulpes;“If two rats are not adjusted to each other, one will chew the head of the other until it is destroyed,” << yesssss
989707;1422057681;ben_vulpes;aw man now i gotta get my braindamaged clone to happen
989708;1422057685;ben_vulpes;so i can pump his blood through me
989709;1422057705;ben_vulpes;TOTALLY GOING TO CLONE MYSELF, GUYS
989710;1422057717;ben_vulpes;repeatedly too
989711;1422057725;mircea_popescu;so basically, teh lich/vampire mythology is all correct.
989712;1422057727;ben_vulpes;this would be a good story.
989713;1422057746;kakobrekla;we are onto mp
989714;1422057757;ben_vulpes;it works better with close genetic matches
989715;1422057796;mircea_popescu;better buy up all the cheap venezuelean consuelas before you geriatrics figure it out
989716;1422057797;mircea_popescu;brb
989717;1422057822;danielpbarron;"Well, personally I would only marry on the blockchain. Traditional marriage is a big risk – it can destroy people's lives." --Janina Lowisz, AKA "Blockchain Girl"
989718;1422057855;ben_vulpes;mright
989719;1422057861;ben_vulpes;tell her to stick it deedbot
989720;1422057864;*;ben_vulpes elbows undata
989721;1422057897;mircea_popescu;http://theintelligentmisogynist.tumblr.com/post/55487275996/this-one-kind-of-reminds-me-of-a-magazine-cover << people that have no actual experience with the matter of women kneeling, and live on the fumes of the fantasy thereof are kinda funny.
989722;1422057898;assbot;The Intelligent Misogynist: This one kind of reminds me of a magazine cover. ... ... ( http://bit.ly/1JvLNyS )
989723;1422057915;mircea_popescu;an enchanted land where bursitis isn't a thing and so on.
989724;1422058065;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22917 @ 0.00047132 = 10.8012 BTC [+]
989725;1422058120;ben_vulpes;ain't nobody cooking on their knees, either.
989726;1422058126;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 2080 @ 0.00094671 = 1.9692 BTC [+] {10} 
989727;1422058127;ben_vulpes;that's a demerit.
989728;1422058134;mircea_popescu;maybe, if they were 11 foot tall
989729;1422058136;mircea_popescu;then other problems
989730;1422058143;mircea_popescu;and besides... heels!
989731;1422058148;ben_vulpes;yeah fr srs
989732;1422058153;ben_vulpes;although wood floors and heels man
989733;1422058179;ben_vulpes;maybe i should caveat with american "wood" floors
989734;1422058184;mircea_popescu;what about em ?
989735;1422058250;davout;they're handlaser carver
989736;1422058268;jurov;no cuntlaser
989737;1422058291;mircea_popescu;pee pee pee
989738;1422058325;davout;;;buttlasers
989739;1422058325;gribble;Error: "buttlasers" is not a valid command.
989740;1422058330;mircea_popescu;actually, thats an idea : have rails insalled in the flooring, as if for the doors of a walk-in closet, and make the girls wear high heels that are hooked in there
989741;1422058332;davout;you suck gribleh
989742;1422058334;mircea_popescu;so they got like a train range.
989743;1422058361;mircea_popescu;i suppose would work even better with neck chain.
989744;1422058373;*;undata is underwhelmed by the notion that a "wallet" should involve a websocket, is likely just going to encrypt a sqlite and do his thing that way
989745;1422058376;mircea_popescu;adjust length for crawl, knee crawl, walk...
989746;1422058396;undata;that's the last thing deedbot needs; I've got a free-ish weekend coming up too
989747;1422058448;*;undata really wants to just hand raw txns to a finished 0.5.3 fork
989748;1422058456;ben_vulpes;undata: all you need to do is cook up raw transactions and sign them
989749;1422058489;ben_vulpes;watch blocks coming in for transactions of relevance to your address, and then request them from btcd
989750;1422058502;undata;yeah, the thing's going to need to be funded time to time though; I could just hand it a private key and keep track of its balance myself
989751;1422058521;davout;undata: "is underwhelmed by the notion that a "wallet" should involve a websocket" <<< how do you mean?
989752;1422058522;undata;this though grows into wallet-y thing which would be nicely decoupled from the client
989753;1422058543;davout;wallets ought to be decoupled from the client
989754;1422058554;mircea_popescu;undata that's the idea, all payments leave from the same address.
989755;1422058602;mircea_popescu;http://40.media.tumblr.com/4a0a2562b229942c7259fc66c56c918c/tumblr_nc3itzJZP41ttwwhwo1_500.jpg
989756;1422058603;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1BTc2jy )
989757;1422058618;davout;.bait
989758;1422058630;davout;does that thing not work anymore?
989759;1422058636;davout;;;bait
989760;1422058638;gribble;Error: "bait" is not a valid command.
989761;1422058638;ben_vulpes;for like...
989762;1422058639;undata;davout: yeah, that is a jab at btcwallet
989763;1422058639;ben_vulpes;months
989764;1422058665;undata;mircea_popescu: open slot insert privkey should be simple enough
989765;1422058670;davout;ben_vulpes: a sad is me
989766;1422058694;ben_vulpes;a sad were we all
989767;1422058706;ben_vulpes;but now mircea_popescu does it by hand and with more variety
989768;1422058716;ben_vulpes;i'm looking forward to anal stretching tomorrow
989769;1422058727;ben_vulpes;and messy post-hummer faces on monday
989770;1422058731;ben_vulpes;there's a schedule and everything
989771;1422058740;mircea_popescu;lmao
989772;1422058757;ben_vulpes;the tail-buttplugs scheduled for saturday...meh
989773;1422058758;mircea_popescu;http://38.media.tumblr.com/70784dc9a1c938a7d7c979e693ea7946/tumblr_nia7xmQM0C1rsfdtro1_400.gif
989774;1422058760;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1JvPvIA )
989775;1422058770;ben_vulpes;NO FUCKING AT THE NUDE BEACH
989776;1422058771;ben_vulpes;gosh
989777;1422058779;ben_vulpes;actually hilariously
989778;1422058821;ben_vulpes;i was at the nude beach this summer. scads of folks of all ages and sizes parading around, lady v and i stretched out with wine and sammiches on a blanket somewhat away from the hubub. hundred feet or so down the beach i hear this little kid:
989779;1422058823;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes no bitching at the nude fuck!
989780;1422058829;ben_vulpes;"EWWW!"
989781;1422058834;ben_vulpes;"THEY'RE KISSING!"
989782;1422058840;mircea_popescu;lolwut
989783;1422058868;ben_vulpes;a real, as mircea_popescu sez, lolwut moment
989784;1422058877;mircea_popescu;http://40.media.tumblr.com/85095b1c40899f8dfd117f353c23b1ae/tumblr_nhxdiemOJU1tyb4m4o1_500.jpg
989785;1422058878;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1JvQ19J )
989786;1422058885;ben_vulpes;(mind you, the girl in question was herself running around nekkid)
989787;1422058903;kakobrekla;<mircea_popescu> http://40.media.tumblr.com/85095b1c40899f8dfd117f353c23b1ae/tumblr_nhxdiemOJU1tyb4m4o1_500.jpg < no, fuck you.
989788;1422058904;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1JvQ45l )
989789;1422058905;undata;she's right, rubbing food holes? ewwww!
989790;1422058937;nubbins`;word holes too
989791;1422058948;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes wait, this was a little girl ?
989792;1422058961;mircea_popescu;kakobrekla lol. no, fuck her.
989793;1422059082;undata;nubbins`: I've always thought it ample evidence of there being no god that food and air share one, refuse recreation and procreation another
989794;1422059123;mircea_popescu;!up psgs
989795;1422059128;mircea_popescu;undata how's that logic go ?
989796;1422059167;psgs;Thanks mircea_popescu :)
989797;1422059174;undata;mircea_popescu: separate hole for air; no choking on food
989798;1422059176;undata;etc
989799;1422059178;mircea_popescu;sure. who're you ?
989800;1422059181;undata;although he could just have a sense of humor
989801;1422059274;nubbins`;https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=877143.0
989802;1422059274;assbot;circular laser engraver engineering [ Bounty ] ... ( http://bit.ly/1JvRBbt )
989803;1422059280;nubbins`;^ for lulz
989804;1422059290;mircea_popescu;undata if the air and food weren't meeting you couldn't likely speak
989805;1422059337;mircea_popescu;"I would be willing to offer a negotiable fee or bounty to anyone who could solve this engineering problem."
989806;1422059358;mircea_popescu;shit, let's do a cold fusion and circle cvadrature bounty on tardstalk!
989807;1422059391;nubbins`;heh
989808;1422059402;nubbins`;funny thing is, he was trying to solve this problem specifically for Blazedout419's $14,000 piece
989809;1422059409;*;nubbins` chuckles
989810;1422059436;mircea_popescu;tsk
989811;1422059535;undata;needing to make noise and generally not wanting to duplicate effort makes a fair amount of sense
989812;1422059547;mircea_popescu;"THE TRUTH BEHIND NUBBINS LIES AND TACTICS"
989813;1422059548;mircea_popescu;win.
989814;1422059552;undata;also helps to be able to blow blockage out
989815;1422059559;*;undata accepts there is a loving lord
989816;1422059596;mircea_popescu;just evolutionarily discovered good design
989817;1422059652;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26555 @ 0.00047552 = 12.6274 BTC [+] {2} 
989818;1422059750;nubbins`;HEH yep
989819;1422059906;hanbot;is it really that hard a problem? what if you use a second laser to measure distance and focus the cutter?
989820;1422060160;danielpbarron;i bet he did the engraving on a disc and cut the B out after
989821;1422060200;punkman;you need a laser that doesn't just move in cartesian plane, solved problem but expensive
989822;1422060248;hanbot;it's always a polar "plane" anyway no?
989823;1422060479;punkman;what is?
989824;1422060538;hanbot;i imagine what you mean is that the cheapo laser has fixed distance focus. then it would cut on a spheric surface not really a cartesian plane.
989825;1422060596;hanbot;if it can actually adjust focus distance to make a real plane, then well...it can adjust focus distance.
989826;1422060667;asciilifeform;jurov: http://btc.yt/lxr/ident?_i=CMerkleBlock << e.g., this, is probably not supposed to happen. (click on identified, finds nothing.)
989827;1422060668;assbot;HEAD identifier search: CMerkleBlock ... ( http://bit.ly/1Ec17SY )
989828;1422060762;punkman;hanbot, oic what you mean. I don't know much about lasers, but I think focus adjustment wouldn't help for the vase example.
989829;1422060786;punkman;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UTwJ212lw7s
989830;1422060787;assbot;DigiRob Laser - The Ultimate 7Axis Robotic Laser Cutting Machine - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1JvY5Y2 )
989831;1422061010;hanbot;ianae either.
989832;1422061010;asciilifeform;laser << can get as many axes as you want to pay for. diametric, iirc, has a 3-axis.
989833;1422061017;ben_vulpes;<mircea_popescu> ben_vulpes wait, this was a little girl ? << yeah
989834;1422061024;ben_vulpes;man i gotta get better at telling stories.
989835;1422061097;hanbot;maybe she just liked you
989836;1422061176;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18149 @ 0.00047436 = 8.6092 BTC [-]
989837;1422061374;mircea_popescu;nubbins` you know in retrospect, i don't actually blame the woodcarver idiot. he's just some monkey doing what he should be doing : monkeying.
989838;1422061394;mircea_popescu;i blame undressen horowitz and paul graham and fucking bill gates. that's who i blame.
989839;1422061425;mircea_popescu;and a whole shitload of "charity" in africa isn't going towash this off of them. poor monkey is doing what they claiemd he should be doing. fucking frauds.
989840;1422061490;mircea_popescu;he's exactly their fucking poster child : politically aware, rhetorically prepared, ready to lie and fake it all the way.
989841;1422061695;mircea_popescu;lol totally ben_vulpes hanbot has it : the little nubbin was angling for your ass.
989842;1422061836;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes, mod6, jurov, mircea_popescu: http://imgur.com/mFytet5 << that thing.
989843;1422061837;assbot;                        test - Imgur ... ( http://bit.ly/1Ec4OrB )
989844;1422061869;mircea_popescu;all worx?
989845;1422061876;asciilifeform;object on right hand side of photograph is plastic lid (why??? ask them, not me. with it on, the device looks precisely like the non-sata version.)
989846;1422061945;asciilifeform;presently backing up the original contents, to restore later (why? so can test auto-diddler that pumps in everything in one go.)
989847;1422061958;asciilifeform;it still remains to be answered, what these are for.
989848;1422061982;asciilifeform;i.e. is user expecting an interface of some kind? or just running a node for the warm emotions
989849;1422061992;mircea_popescu;running node for the purpose of having nodes on the network.
989850;1422061995;asciilifeform;and how is he to know that the machine is working ?
989851;1422062002;mircea_popescu;he's not really to care.
989852;1422062011;mircea_popescu;also, http://40.media.tumblr.com/fddf10ed4a676651a63064e3c5b80db0/tumblr_nidztehhTw1sn5nr5o2_1280.jpg
989853;1422062012;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1Ec5oph )
989854;1422062020;asciilifeform;well, what if trivial malfunction (frayed cable, or he forgot to forward port 8333 or whatnot)
989855;1422062034;asciilifeform;recall that we snipped upnp.
989856;1422062082;asciilifeform;i'd suggest sticking a simple status display (blocks synched, connection count) on port 80.
989857;1422062095;asciilifeform;(on lan, naturally)
989858;1422062116;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform nah, because guy knows the ip and can just check if a node answers there
989859;1422062122;mircea_popescu;if not, throw out unit get new one.
989860;1422062146;asciilifeform;he may want to know if the disk has filled.
989861;1422062155;mircea_popescu;can pull it out.
989862;1422062162;asciilifeform;sure.
989863;1422062177;asciilifeform;so we just want a simple brutal beast of 0.5.3-on-a-unix-box ?
989864;1422062250;mircea_popescu;pretty much.
989865;1422062306;jurov;asciilifeform: fixed, CMerkleBlock isn't supposed to be in 0.5.3 but i have put there newer cpp files by mistake
989866;1422062352;mircea_popescu;dude don't mix the shitstrands
989867;1422062368;asciilifeform;jurov: seems entirely dead now
989868;1422062443;jurov;O.o
989869;1422062461;asciilifeform;jurov: click on any of the sources.
989870;1422062536;jurov;irc.cpp does not exist but others work
989871;1422062581;asciilifeform;half what i'm seeing is a link to nowhere
989872;1422062593;asciilifeform;but yeah, main.cpp works
989873;1422062679;mircea_popescu;nighty!
989874;1422062696;jurov;drat, i'll redo it anyway
989875;1422062714;jurov;this amazon caching really adds another dimension to everything
989876;1422063269;danielpbarron;!up B007
989877;1422064337;xanthyos;!up danielpbarron
989878;1422064653;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21889 @ 0.00046953 = 10.2775 BTC [-] {2} 
989879;1422064747;*;danielpbarron stabs xanthyos 
989880;1422065077;decimation;asciilifeform: what kind of buses are available on your pogo board?  and is it the "pogoplug mobile"?
989881;1422065096;asciilifeform;decimation: pogo-v4-a3-01
989882;1422065141;asciilifeform;decimation: under top cover, usb port (usb2?) and sata (2.5 inch laptop drive.) on rear end, two usb3 ports and 1 Gbit ethernet, and dc in (12 volt.)
989883;1422065182;asciilifeform;decimation: this is not the cheapest (~$12) but second-cheapest (~$18) 'pogo.'
989884;1422065324;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25030 @ 0.00047499 = 11.889 BTC [+] {3} 
989885;1422065490;decimation;hmm interesting
989886;1422065595;decimation;so one could get a usb3 to ethernet and make a cheap router too
989887;1422065621;asciilifeform;decimation: slow and wasteful
989888;1422065629;decimation;albeit a reliable usb3 to ethernet dongle is probably more costly than the device
989889;1422065640;asciilifeform;decimation: for slightly more one can get an actual router with multiple gbit ethernet jacks.
989890;1422065681;*;decimation wonders if any of this consumer grade junk has ecc ram
989891;1422065687;danielpbarron;if you're gonna run buttcoin on something called a "pogo plug," you could call it a buttplug
989892;1422065690;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27968 @ 0.00047973 = 13.4171 BTC [+]
989893;1422065847;decimation;mthreat: are you getting ddos'ed?  Your ip is showing.
989894;1422067277;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo, cazalla, mircea_popescu, qntra folks: http://www.usnews.com/news/articles/2015/01/23/barrett-browns-prison-time-raises-cybersecurity-journalism-concerns << today this fella went off to jail.
989895;1422067279;assbot;Barrett Brown's Prison Time Raises Cybersecurity, Journalism Concerns - US News ... ( http://bit.ly/15ozfvx )
989896;1422067375;asciilifeform;^ sentenced for digging usg dirt without belonging to official mouthpiece media.
989897;1422067703;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18375 @ 0.00046812 = 8.6017 BTC [-]
989898;1422068191;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5200 @ 0.00046724 = 2.4296 BTC [-] {2} 
989899;1422068628;asciilifeform;re: 'eating nipples' - apparently, this exists: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bLpROhIg9eA&list=PLF35524EBD4308ECC
989900;1422068629;assbot;Indian Nipple Song - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1yFfsUA )
989901;1422068771;asciilifeform;related: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hOgALTFzFbQ
989902;1422068773;assbot;May He Poop? (an Indian music video translation) - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/15oEKud )
989903;1422068783;asciilifeform;(yes, found this by pure accident. believe or not.)
989904;1422069189;undata;asciilifeform doth protest too much!
989905;1422069191;*;undata clicks
989906;1422069671;asciilifeform;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hbb7BV3xP_A << apparently an entire planet of this exists.
989907;1422069673;assbot;12) Buffalaxed National Anthems_ Euro Edition - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/15oItb6 )
989908;1422070129;decimation;asciilifeform: lol that one has the Nazi german anthem
989909;1422070284;decimation;lol https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4YLqC3DIgjY << dude who played hitler being 'parodied' is pissed about being parodied
989910;1422070285;assbot;Hitler actor Bruno Ganz interview about Youtube Downfall Parodies - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/15oKG6r )
989911;1422070997;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22200 @ 0.00048402 = 10.7452 BTC [+] {2} 
989912;1422071576;decimation;http://www.advisorperspectives.com/commentaries/halbert_011415.php << primary dealers of Treasury bills manipulate the market: news at 11
989913;1422071577;assbot;Is The US Treasury Market Rigged? Some Say Yes | Halbert Wealth Management | January 14, 2015 ... ( http://bit.ly/15oOzbI )
989914;1422071912;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29001 @ 0.00049273 = 14.2897 BTC [+] {3} 
989915;1422072583;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28950 @ 0.00049802 = 14.4177 BTC [+]
989916;1422072599;mats;ermagerd the harvard sluts around here...
989917;1422072663;mats;ive been here a while and i still can't get over the high class white pussy strolling the streets
989918;1422072678;thestringpuller;u go 2 harvard?
989919;1422072705;mats;na. i live in cambridge.
989920;1422072718;thestringpuller;sno sno snoooow bunnies
989921;1422072721;thestringpuller;am i rite mod6 ?
989922;1422072920;mats;bad auto complete or did i miss something
989923;1422073010;mats;its not the electric cars, the buttcoins, or the smartphones that make me marvel about living in 2015
989924;1422073027;mats;its this fucking tinder thing.
989925;1422073071;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21100 @ 0.00049095 = 10.359 BTC [-]
989926;1422073071;mats;buncha swipes and a few messages and i can get nookie on my lunch break
989927;1422073075;decimation;mats: what's the diference between tinder and some frat party?
989928;1422073115;mats;getting vomit and beer on my oxfords.
989929;1422073192;TomServo;!b 5
989930;1422073192;assbot;Last 5 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/2YX8CM3.txt )
989931;1422073274;decimation;tinder argues for a return to 'women-as-property' matchmaking among elders
989932;1422073328;mats;did you grow up in a convent or something
989933;1422073392;mats;tinder is chicks looking for handsome cock and maybe a night out
989934;1422073433;mats;id imagine a feminist would approve of such female empowering tech
989935;1422073465;mats;paging hanbot for input
989936;1422073553;decimation;so submitting to the wisdom of a facebook-powered algorithm is empowering?
989937;1422073602;mats;thats loaded
989938;1422073646;mats;women are empowered bc its even easier now to meet a real man
989939;1422073688;thestringpuller;mats how drunk are you right now?
989940;1422073690;mats;like, sure, elders.
989941;1422073690;thestringpuller;:D
989942;1422073713;thestringpuller;I love when #b-a is drunk!
989943;1422073724;mats;on a scale of one to linus
989944;1422073733;mats;at least two linus
989945;1422073748;thestringpuller;im headed there myself :D
989946;1422073778;mats;pour one out for the niggas that we've lost
989947;1422073796;thestringpuller;lol
989948;1422073797;thestringpuller;fine
989949;1422073814;thestringpuller;my window is open I'll pour a sip of the beer out
989950;1422073974;mats;im doing post coital malware analysis and i dont think ive ever been more high on anything ever
989951;1422074035;mats;thanks, patron (you owe me residuals for this plug)
989952;1422074194;thestringpuller;i'm limited to post coital napping.
989953;1422074237;mats;tequila works like a stimulant for me
989954;1422074352;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21100 @ 0.0004753 = 10.0288 BTC [-]
989955;1422074370;mats;http://blogs.cisco.com/security/talos/cryptowall-2
989956;1422074372;assbot;  Ransomware on Steroids: Cryptowall 2.0 ... ( http://bit.ly/1BmvmTB )
989957;1422074381;mats;have a good night folks
989958;1422077552;mircea_popescu;mats you know on the strength of all that ima have to check out tinder now
989959;1422077586;mircea_popescu;it sounds exactly like the way i have been getting cunt the past coupla decades, ie, via the female wot, just somehow opened up to the general public.
989960;1422077591;mircea_popescu;fucking disruption ?!
989961;1422077667;mircea_popescu;mats: id imagine a feminist would approve of such female empowering tech << i approve, at least prima facie. and im pretty sure im the last feminist alive.
989962;1422077748;mircea_popescu;and unrelatedly, http://40.media.tumblr.com/2519e0a13e77cfc6c22d97fd56dc1aa7/tumblr_nie01vcJvo1sn5nr5o5_1280.jpg
989963;1422077749;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1JjWXIO )
989964;1422078388;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes, mod6, jurov, mircea_popescu: bsd not fully optimal on the little machine; presently i have it with a linux 2.6.31 kernel, lightly patched
989965;1422078401;mircea_popescu;which flavr ?
989966;1422078446;asciilifeform;generic, with several necessary patches from the cpu maker.
989967;1422078464;asciilifeform;setting up a gentoo userland.
989968;1422078465;mircea_popescu;not bad.
989969;1422078540;asciilifeform;idea is to pack the necessaries into a 'squashfs' (similar to what the device maker did with their nas app)
989970;1422078550;mircea_popescu;aha
989971;1422078572;asciilifeform;very spacious rom (by embedded machine standards, rather than desktop luserdom, naturally)
989972;1422078597;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu is gonna pass these out as party favours or what
989973;1422078615;mircea_popescu;yup
989974;1422078658;mircea_popescu;!gettrust nubbins`
989975;1422078661;assbot;Trust relationship from user mircea_popescu to user nubbins`: Level 1: 2, Level 2: 14 via 15 connections. | http://w.b-a.link/trust/mircea_popescu/nubbins%60 | http://w.b-a.link/user/nubbins%60
989976;1422078661;asciilifeform;one thing is, curiously, missing from the box - a clock.
989977;1422078666;asciilifeform;it has to be ntp'd every time.
989978;1422078678;mircea_popescu;holy hell a sane engineer.
989979;1422078683;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 4040 @ 0.00094983 = 3.8373 BTC [+] {12} 
989980;1422078690;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform tell me why anyone sane would put a clock in at all if he has to ntp anyway
989981;1422078706;asciilifeform;precious little 'state' in there. even ethernet mac addr. is software-configured during init.
989982;1422078735;asciilifeform;not optionally, as it might be on your box or mine, but always. there is no rom for it.
989983;1422078752;mircea_popescu;dude find outwho the fuck designed this
989984;1422078763;mircea_popescu;i want to send them a woman in a large chocolate egg.
989985;1422078764;asciilifeform;why anyone sane would put a clock << then gotta pick where to connect
989986;1422078774;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform gotta pick that anyway.
989987;1422078786;asciilifeform;aye.
989988;1422078794;mircea_popescu;it's the right fucking choice for this tool, and the bravery to do it right rather than buy from ibm is staggeringly beautiful to my eye
989989;1422078812;asciilifeform;as i understand, this is simply cost-cutting to the bone.
989990;1422078835;mircea_popescu;i've seen cost cutting to the bone implemented as "let's make it out of mud"
989991;1422078850;mircea_popescu;sundried.
989992;1422078858;asciilifeform;it's a nas, folks expect it to run reasonably fast and not drop bits on the floor.
989993;1422078867;asciilifeform;so, can't quite be mud.
989994;1422079956;mircea_popescu;;;seen duffer1
989995;1422079956;gribble;duffer1 was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 10 weeks, 0 days, 13 hours, 56 minutes, and 30 seconds ago: <Duffer1> lies
989996;1422080025;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 48800 @ 0.0004753 = 23.1946 BTC [-]
989997;1422080635;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17900 @ 0.00047433 = 8.4905 BTC [-]
989998;1422080661;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: data sheet reveals that there is, in fact, 64 bits of antifuse eprom in there. but it appears that 'pogo' was lazy, did not use these for anything.
989999;1422080682;mircea_popescu;aha
990000;1422080693;asciilifeform;there is, however, no rng of any kind whatsoever.
990001;1422080693;mircea_popescu;may be nothing fit.
990002;1422080721;asciilifeform;most curiously. (there is almost always a garbage rng, on such a chip)
990003;1422080761;asciilifeform;this is riotously funny once you recall what their other product was
990004;1422080766;mircea_popescu;right.
990005;1422080770;asciilifeform;(tor plug)
990006;1422080814;asciilifeform;same hardware, incidentally, with different silkscreen on chassis and, naturally, different rom image (it's on their site, i won't bother linking to it, who the fuck cares)
990007;1422081123;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 46100 @ 0.00047367 = 21.8362 BTC [-] {2} 
990008;1422081984;Naphex;morning
990009;1422081987;mircea_popescu;http://trilema.com/2015/the-strange-case-of-the-woodcollector-and-other-stories/
990010;1422081987;assbot;The strange case of the WoodCollector and other stories. pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.  ... ( http://bit.ly/1ybffU5 )
990011;1422081990;mircea_popescu;hey n.
990012;1422082071;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: linguistic mega-lol >> http://lurkmore.to/%D0%9C%D0%BE%D1%85%D0%BD%D0%B0%D1%82%D1%8B%D0%B5_%D0%B1%D0%BB%D1%8F%D0%B4%D0%B8
990013;1422082072;assbot;Мохнатые бляди — Lurkmore ... ( http://bit.ly/1ybfsqi )
990014;1422082162;mircea_popescu;lol
990015;1422082165;mircea_popescu;i had no idea
990016;1422082183;asciilifeform;somehow i escaped knowing of this.
990017;1422082223;mircea_popescu;"длинный шмель" uh... long bee ?!
990018;1422082230;asciilifeform;long bumblebee.
990019;1422082277;mircea_popescu;uh
990020;1422082295;asciilifeform;(earlier links in log, to english examples.)
990021;1422082391;mircea_popescu;pretty lulzy
990022;1422083036;mircea_popescu;https://bitbet.us/bet/1111/eur-usd-parity-in-2015/
990023;1422083036;assbot;BitBet - EUR/USD Parity in 2015 :: 0.24 B (80%) on Yes, 0.06 B (20%) on No | closing in 11 months 6 days | weight: 99`685 (100`000 to 1) ... ( http://bit.ly/1ybi07X )
990024;1422083043;mircea_popescu;check this shit out... ANOTHER parity ?
990025;1422083059;mircea_popescu;anyone still remember back when the eur was like 60 cents and everyone was convinced it's going away ?
990026;1422083169;scoopbot;New post on Trilema by Mircea Popescu: http://trilema.com/2015/the-strange-case-of-the-woodcollector-and-other-stories/
990027;1422083234;mircea_popescu;o hey wb scoopy.
990028;1422083244;mircea_popescu;scoopy doopy doo, where were  you...
990029;1422084196;mircea_popescu;!up badon
990030;1422085048;badon;hi mircea_popescu
990031;1422085053;mircea_popescu;how goes.
990032;1422085064;badon;Looking at buying a Country Living Mill.
990033;1422085082;badon;Also noticed bitcoin ATM's in my travels today.
990034;1422085097;badon;It was an eventful day.
990035;1422085106;badon;By my standards, anyway.
990036;1422085188;fluffypony;http://www.vice.com/en_uk/read/blockhains-first-citizen-328
990037;1422085189;assbot;A New Form of ID Allows You to Be a Citizen of the World | VICE | United Kingdom ... ( http://bit.ly/1CMN6qy )
990038;1422085191;fluffypony;lol
990039;1422085214;mircea_popescu;so what, buy grain directly an make your own flour ?
990040;1422085225;mircea_popescu;fluffypony yeh, was in teh logs.
990041;1422085230;fluffypony;ah
990042;1422085254;mircea_popescu;s/dumb vice shit/ http://41.media.tumblr.com/918ee965797f2645cc4d39d6f202684b/tumblr_ni6isl6ve51tkiwgwo1_1280.jpg
990043;1422085256;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1CMNncY )
990044;1422085257;*;mircea_popescu feels better.
990045;1422085273;fluffypony;the horizontal stripes?
990046;1422085274;fluffypony;:-P
990047;1422085284;fluffypony;this makes me feel better: http://i.imgur.com/LzYEnFB.jpg
990048;1422085285;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1CMNmGa )
990049;1422085311;mircea_popescu;ahahaha
990050;1422085315;mircea_popescu;kickass penguin guy
990051;1422085352;Naphex;http://www.cnbc.com/id/102355771
990052;1422085354;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1CnV77u )
990053;1422085368;mircea_popescu;he's like "get da fuck outta here, don't you see this is snow ?!"
990054;1422085374;Naphex;"Porn's new capitals: Romania and Colombia?" ;D
990055;1422085389;mircea_popescu;budapest sure ain't what it used to be no moar.
990056;1422085395;mircea_popescu;and the czechs are fucked out.
990057;1422085471;mircea_popescu;anyway, my hope to have each and every "social sciences" major of a us university hacking herself with a dildo for ten bux an hour is moving apace.
990058;1422085496;Naphex;hehe
990059;1422085533;badon;mircea_popescu: Yes, make my own flower, peanut butter, etc.
990060;1422085546;Naphex;there was this funny post on the RoBitcointalk, from a Romanian girl, asking how to make easy bitcoin online
990061;1422085554;Naphex;obviously everyone suggested porn :))
990062;1422085570;mircea_popescu;shoulda sent her to http://trilema.com/2014/ill-pay-for-your-tits/
990063;1422085571;assbot;I'll pay for your tits pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.  ... ( http://bit.ly/1CnVtLn )
990064;1422085580;Naphex;but the only tardy dude that works for bitcoin foundation romania, recommended this
990065;1422085583;Naphex;"Eu ti-as recomanda alta modalitate sa castigi Bitcoin pe internet care implica webcam si microfon. Poti da lectii pe internet contra Bitcoin. O metoda mult mai buna cred eu, decat sa te prostituezi online.
990066;1422085587;Naphex;"
990067;1422085589;Naphex;:)))))
990068;1422085593;Naphex;Become a teacher!
990069;1422085624;mircea_popescu;right. and teach what.
990070;1422085644;Naphex;in op post she said she's learning some insstrument at the viena conservatory :))
990071;1422085653;Naphex;https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=927693.0 ( the post )
990072;1422085653;assbot;Poate face cineva total incepator bani cu bitcoin? ... ( http://bit.ly/1CnVyhU )
990073;1422085656;mircea_popescu;"how to work for bitcoin foundation romania without drawing a salary : advise people to join you!"
990074;1422085671;mircea_popescu;Naphex srsly, post her teh tit link.
990075;1422085730;Naphex;done
990076;1422085740;Naphex;:))
990077;1422085748;mircea_popescu;maybe we end up how to play the vienna flute.
990078;1422085754;mircea_popescu;end up learning*
990079;1422085881;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3302 @ 0.00046695 = 1.5419 BTC [-]
990080;1422085973;mircea_popescu;"There are all of 3 people on this forum who know who i really am, and every one of them would not sell that secret for $100,000 because they have a vested interest in keeping the secret. What i am is why you will never find out. I am, in fact a world famous artist, my pieces have been in the Smithsonian on exhibit at the Louvre and in the home of pompous wealthy people the world over."
990081;1422086028;mircea_popescu;well, he just gave himself away, because obviously the Smithsonian lists all artists that it ever exhibited ; so does the louvre, of course. crossreferencing these lists and excluding everyone already dead, we get a list of...
990082;1422086058;mircea_popescu;nubbins` the lulz in this thing is like self-replicating.
990083;1422086126;mircea_popescu;"There are some really great people here on the forum, and some of you i really like and enjoy talking with like Blazedout and OgNasty and TookDK"
990084;1422086131;mircea_popescu;aaaand ognasty's involved in this ?!
990085;1422086134;mircea_popescu;jeez.
990086;1422086185;mircea_popescu;http://41.media.tumblr.com/9d28d4ad096b4bd06088985a5eabaf2e/tumblr_nhzgcshiHy1tkka62o1_1280.jpg also, jizz.
990087;1422086187;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1CnVZZB )
990088;1422086278;mircea_popescu;!gettrust assbot Blazedout419
990089;1422086278;assbot;Trust relationship from user assbot to user Blazedout419: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 4 via 6 connections. | http://w.b-a.link/trust/assbot/Blazedout419 | http://w.b-a.link/user/Blazedout419
990090;1422086471;mircea_popescu;!rate Blazedout419 -1 I suspect, without it being in any sense proven, that he was involved in "managing the brand" of the woodcollector fraudster. See http://trilema.com/2015/the-strange-case-of-the-woodcollector-and-other-stories/
990091;1422086471;assbot;Request successful, get your OTP: http://w.b-a.link/otp/80df86773aa16913
990092;1422086472;assbot;The strange case of the WoodCollector and other stories. pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.  ... ( http://bit.ly/1CMQC4e )
990093;1422086497;mircea_popescu;!v assbot:mircea_popescu.rate.Blazedout419.-1:d28e9ad9ae166d0437b767c3aab2568097ab1e4ee6d43b46233e1a05bda33db4
990094;1422086497;assbot;Successfully added a rating of -1 for Blazedout419 with note: I suspect, without it being in any sense proven, that he was involved in "managing the brand" of the woodcollector fraudster. See http://trilema.com/2015/the-strange-case-of-the-woodcollector-and-other-stories/
990095;1422088566;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35300 @ 0.00046695 = 16.4833 BTC [-]
990096;1422089298;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14900 @ 0.0004765 = 7.0999 BTC [+] {2} 
990097;1422091982;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8234 @ 0.00046701 = 3.8454 BTC [-]
990098;1422093690;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23473 @ 0.00046701 = 10.9621 BTC [-]
990099;1422095703;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12900 @ 0.00046843 = 6.0427 BTC [+] {2} 
990100;1422099119;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18000 @ 0.00047346 = 8.5223 BTC [+] {3} 
990101;1422099241;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 10 @ 0.10449987 = 1.045 BTC [-] {3} 
990102;1422099668;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30500 @ 0.00047697 = 14.5476 BTC [+]
990103;1422100034;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4700 @ 0.00047697 = 2.2418 BTC [+]
990104;1422101437;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10500 @ 0.00047889 = 5.0283 BTC [+] {2} 
990105;1422106622;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28420 @ 0.00046695 = 13.2707 BTC [-] {3} 
990106;1422107720;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28176 @ 0.00047241 = 13.3106 BTC [+]
990107;1422107842;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 3734 @ 0.00097469 = 3.6395 BTC [+] {5} 
990108;1422110615;nubbins`;https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=877143.0
990109;1422110616;assbot;circular laser engraver engineering [ Bounty ] ... ( http://bit.ly/1JvRBbt )
990110;1422110623;nubbins`;oops wrong one
990111;1422110629;nubbins`;https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=930649.msg10247588#msg10247588
990112;1422110629;assbot;Scam Warning: WoodCollector ... ( http://bit.ly/15qUDjQ )
990113;1422110632;nubbins`;^ and so the saga ends
990114;1422110635;nubbins`;all threads locked
990115;1422110651;nubbins`;previously interested parties wander away
990116;1422110680;danielpbarron;heh i was just catching up on that thread; harvested a lot of WoT data out of it
990117;1422110790;nubbins`;mp you know the logical conclusion to come of this is that i am somehow you, yes?
990118;1422110831;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34400 @ 0.00047241 = 16.2509 BTC [+]
990119;1422111084;danielpbarron;"You cannot prove that man-made climate change is real because it's cold where I am right now" << nubbins` you think man-made climate change is real?
990120;1422111366;nubbins`;fuck off
990121;1422111477;nubbins`;live in seoul for a year, count the number of snot rags you turn black, and tell me we can keep doing this forever
990122;1422111491;nubbins`;oh, keep your yellow-dust masks too, you'll wanna count those
990123;1422112905;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26000 @ 0.00046562 = 12.1061 BTC [-] {2} 
990124;1422114674;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30390 @ 0.00046381 = 14.0952 BTC [-] {2} 
990125;1422114734;danielpbarron;gribble> Rating change | Old rating 3 | New rating: Kelticfox > 4 > Anduck | Artisan coffee for Bitcoin and a Linux guru to boot! << handcrafted coffee now?
990126;1422114735;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10700 @ 0.00045925 = 4.914 BTC [-] {2} 
990127;1422114781;davout;danielpbarron: kopi luwak is asscrafted :D
990128;1422114795;danielpbarron;heh
990129;1422115623;Pierre_Rochard;https://i.imgur.com/H84T1qN.jpg
990130;1422115625;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1GNWCjI )
990131;1422115637;Pierre_Rochard;^ definitive proof b-a is not a cult
990132;1422115651;thestringpuller;anyone know where to buy tvtorrents
990133;1422115680;thestringpuller;lol
990134;1422115700;thestringpuller;Pierre_Rochard: I'll tell u whuuut
990135;1422115707;thestringpuller;da boy ain't rite Pierre_Rochard
990136;1422115712;Pierre_Rochard;haha
990137;1422115774;davout;thestringpuller: i read that as "anyone know where to buy terrorists?"
990138;1422115834;Adlai;b-a promotes the individual's love for zirself
990139;1422115925;thestringpuller;davout: wouldn't the purchase of terrorist essentially just be mercenaries?
990140;1422115928;thestringpuller;isn't that all PMC is?
990141;1422115965;davout;i guess so
990142;1422116062;thestringpuller;i need a way to illegally acquire tv shows
990143;1422116312;mircea_popescu;http://36.media.tumblr.com/095d09d13fd16b21cbfde1fba0729073/tumblr_ni23dyWjR51t0px1fo1_1280.jpg
990144;1422116313;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1GNZw87 )
990145;1422116317;mircea_popescu;an' top of teh morning to ya
990146;1422116368;Adlai;morning
990147;1422116414;mircea_popescu;http://pastebin.com/SrVMhVi2 if anyone needs investors.
990148;1422116415;assbot;Dear Sir,    I represent group of private investors from SAUDI ARABIA, CANADA AN - Pastebin.com ... ( http://bit.ly/1GNZRHM )
990149;1422116420;mircea_popescu;just as good as horowitz & co.
990150;1422116464;thestringpuller;mircea_popescu has the best porn
990151;1422116466;thestringpuller;MOAR PLZ
990152;1422116511;mircea_popescu;http://41.media.tumblr.com/59fee21963c8e285b4ce9428ccf2660f/tumblr_nht66jrgBh1st57i5o1_1280.jpg
990153;1422116513;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1GO0elH )
990154;1422116533;Adlai;lol those tourists in the background just like "the guidebook didn't mention this one!"
990155;1422116546;mircea_popescu;lol
990156;1422116558;mircea_popescu;http://33.media.tumblr.com/3767e6b09e411d8db5bc2a3e55af4e7a/tumblr_ni7pehJCqL1rw3hono3_r1_500.gif
990157;1422116561;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1GO0l0G )
990158;1422116643;mircea_popescu;aaaand http://33.media.tumblr.com/0ee0e58d76da664fe9c7288051642922/tumblr_ni7pehJCqL1rw3hono2_r1_500.gif
990159;1422116646;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1BnM3xK )
990160;1422116652;Adlai;for somebody who so loves social media you sure do spend a lot of time on tumblr
990161;1422116683;mircea_popescu;http://33.media.tumblr.com/1705c63468ab1e5af3c770bc6eb89c65/tumblr_ni7pehJCqL1rw3hono1_r1_500.gif
990162;1422116686;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1BnM8BC )
990163;1422116692;mircea_popescu;lol
990164;1422116702;mircea_popescu;pictures worth 10k words.
990165;1422116753;Adlai;suddenly computer times seem much easier to survive
990166;1422117117;mircea_popescu;cunt time, computer time...
990167;1422117179;punkman;https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B8HRkndIgAA8Gsk.jpg
990168;1422117180;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1GO2DNj )
990169;1422117403;mircea_popescu;nubbins`: ^ and so the saga ends previously interested parties wander away << http://trilema.com/2015/the-strange-case-of-the-woodcollector-and-other-stories/
990170;1422117403;assbot;The strange case of the WoodCollector and other stories. pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.  ... ( http://bit.ly/1GO3Bt1 )
990171;1422117406;mircea_popescu;you got mentioned :)
990172;1422117484;mircea_popescu;nubbins`: mp you know the logical conclusion to come of this is that i am somehow you, yes? << it is actually quite logical if you think about it. you're clearly part of this bizarro cult that consists of not being fucking niggers. and there's AT MOST one person that may conceivably even be interested in not being a fucking nigger at all.
990173;1422117488;mircea_popescu;so... we're all chris rock.
990174;1422117603;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4854 @ 0.00047353 = 2.2985 BTC [+]
990175;1422117650;mats;my dude chris rock
990176;1422117654;mircea_popescu;nubbins`: live in seoul for a year, count the number of snot rags you turn black, and tell me we can keep doing this forever << entirely different matter eh ?
990177;1422117681;mircea_popescu;mats yeah seriously, i think since carlin died rock is actually teh king o' comedy
990178;1422117726;mats;china says sorry not sorry fo' black kerchiefs
990179;1422117937;danielpbarron;guy got fired over this -> http://imgur.com/u12vtPG
990180;1422117938;assbot;                    CCN author gloats about Coin Fire domain theft. - Imgur ... ( http://bit.ly/1BnOFMi )
990181;1422117979;mircea_popescu;derp ?
990182;1422117984;mircea_popescu;i had nfi ccn fired
990183;1422117990;mircea_popescu;what's coinfire do, it networks ?
990184;1422117992;mircea_popescu;o wait, this works.
990185;1422118139;TomServo;http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2015/01/4-year-sentence-for-teen-who-tried-to-join-isis.html
990186;1422118141;assbot;4 Year Sentence for Teen Who Tried to Join ISIS -- NYMag ... ( http://bit.ly/1BnP01u )
990187;1422118142;mircea_popescu;danielpbarron: << handcrafted coffee now? << this actually is a thing. I've had it in CR. It looks say like : http://trilema.com/2011/chestii-pe-care-mi-le-doresc-dar-nu-le-voi-putea-gasi-niciodata/
990188;1422118142;assbot;Chestii pe care mi le doresc dar nu le voi putea gasi niciodata pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.  ... ( http://bit.ly/1BnP1T4 )
990189;1422118152;TomServo;heh, 4 years for trying to board a plane?
990190;1422118158;mircea_popescu;TomServo wtf is the crime ?!
990191;1422118166;TomServo;I'm left wondering.
990192;1422118191;TomServo;She was 'on the radar' see...
990193;1422118193;mircea_popescu;Judge Raymond Moore handed down a four-year sentence, but announced from the bench that she needs psychiatric help. "I'm not saying that her decisions were all a product of mental illness... But she's a bit of a mess," said the judge. "She has no history in the criminal justice system. She is very young.... Teenagers make dumb decisions a lot."
990194;1422118193;mircea_popescu;Moore matched the sentence prosecutors requested for Conley
990195;1422118199;mircea_popescu;this is a fucking outrage, seriously.
990196;1422118206;mircea_popescu;i bet that's a magistrate "judge" too.
990197;1422118289;mircea_popescu;"19yo girl sent to prison for 4 years over her decision to marry someone Obama doesn't care for"
990198;1422118306;mircea_popescu;check it out, in the pacific islander nation of the US, virgin brides must first fuck the mullato in chief.
990199;1422118334;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29600 @ 0.00045814 = 13.5609 BTC [-]
990200;1422118418;mircea_popescu;Pierre_Rochard: ^ definitive proof b-a is not a cult << butt...butt... we promote hate ?
990201;1422118543;asciilifeform;or how about the fellow who went to jail for same 4 years for - hyperlinking - a few days ago.
990202;1422118624;mircea_popescu;what'd hje link to, again ?
990203;1422118657;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=24-01-2015#989894
990204;1422118657;assbot;Logged on 24-01-2015 02:41:17; asciilifeform: BingoBoingo, cazalla, mircea_popescu, qntra folks: http://www.usnews.com/news/articles/2015/01/23/barrett-browns-prison-time-raises-cybersecurity-journalism-concerns << today this fella went off to jail.
990205;1422118675;TomServo;asciilifeform: I was just trying to decide which is worse.
990206;1422118685;mircea_popescu;oh oh yes.
990207;1422118688;asciilifeform;he linked to, irrc, the 'stratfor' papers.
990208;1422118693;mircea_popescu;yeah, huh.
990209;1422118701;mircea_popescu;btw, i PUBLISHED them. back in the day.
990210;1422118714;asciilifeform;'�The government asserts that I am not a journalist and thus unable to claim the First Amendment protections guaranteed to those engaged in information-gathering activities,� Brown wrote in a prepared statement he planned to deliver before the judge at his sentencing.'
990211;1422118737;mircea_popescu;http://trilema.com/2011/stratfor-lolololor/
990212;1422118738;assbot;Stratfor lolololor. pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.  ... ( http://bit.ly/1BnPZii )
990213;1422118752;TomServo;heh, was he linking to you?
990214;1422118781;mircea_popescu;was a good xmas, 2011.
990215;1422118788;mircea_popescu;TomServo tbh i have nfi.
990216;1422118791;asciilifeform;'Barrett Brown was sentenced in U.S. District Court in Dallas to 63 months in prison and ordered to pay about $900,000 in restitution Thursday on charges stemming from the incident, in which he posted a hyperlink in his reporting to information obtained by the Anonymous collective in a 2011 hack of intelligence contractor Stratfor.'
990217;1422118833;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform it really hurt them, that one. because well... back in 2011 the notion that we come when we please, fuck whoever we want, and leave was novel.
990218;1422119277;mircea_popescu;http://41.media.tumblr.com/addde248b78033ce14ccb684bff5ff42/tumblr_nhazkgYfhG1u4e2kko1_1280.jpg
990219;1422119278;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1BnRfSg )
990220;1422119392;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: moscow ?
990221;1422119406;mircea_popescu;pretty sure that's istanbul.
990222;1422119418;mircea_popescu;but then again i put amsterdam in portugal once befoar, so...
990223;1422119440;mircea_popescu;(yeh yeh tis moscow)
990224;1422119482;mircea_popescu;full frontal nudity bonus. http://36.media.tumblr.com/e17b9153048c244a2c4a68997593b202/tumblr_nhm729fUOJ1u4e2kko1_1280.jpg
990225;1422119483;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1BnRKf7 )
990226;1422119529;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: 'мобильные телесистемы' in istanbul ?
990227;1422119539;asciilifeform;lol.
990228;1422119549;mircea_popescu;:(
990229;1422119552;mircea_popescu;:)*
990230;1422119624;mircea_popescu;hm, did i ever dump http://trilema.com/2010/high-society/ in here ?
990231;1422119624;assbot;High society pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.  ... ( http://bit.ly/1BnS5hW )
990232;1422119635;mircea_popescu;from back when i was rich in 2005 or something.
990233;1422119704;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes, possibly other folks who work on apple machines: http://www.mondaynote.com/2015/01/18/apple-software-quality-questions
990234;1422119706;assbot;Apple Software Quality Questions | Monday Note ... ( http://bit.ly/1BnSiSi )
990235;1422120045;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 1961 @ 0.00099996 = 1.9609 BTC [-]
990236;1422120445;pete_dushenski;asciilifeform: looks like a pretty decent assessment of mac software
990237;1422120469;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 36315 @ 0.00045294 = 16.4485 BTC [-] {4} 
990238;1422120517;pete_dushenski;pretty much why i run a variety of the older os'es and quite avoid their work suite
990239;1422120716;asciilifeform;pete_dushenski: article is not the first i hear out of serious, habitual apple users re: decay.
990240;1422120764;pete_dushenski;this is pretty much the subject of http://www.contravex.com/2014/11/26/living-in-a-post-steve-world/ as well
990241;1422120766;assbot;Living In A Post-Steve World | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski ... ( http://bit.ly/1BWZB6i )
990242;1422120779;asciilifeform;pete_dushenski: aha i recall that one.
990243;1422120814;pete_dushenski;i even bought my first non-apple keyboards recently
990244;1422120827;pete_dushenski;hacking on the model m now and also picked up the unicomp knock-off
990245;1422120830;asciilifeform;pete_dushenski: which apple keyboard did you own ?
990246;1422120847;asciilifeform;the last decent one, irrc, was made somewhere around 1993
990247;1422120881;mircea_popescu;yeh, can't not decay now that cap'n stevie's gone.
990248;1422120895;pete_dushenski;i was mostly using the white/clear plastic 10-keyer
990249;1422120896;asciilifeform;unicomp << a colleague of mine just threw one out. worn springs after ~1 year.
990250;1422120902;mircea_popescu;the much sadder thing is linux decaying proportionally, and linus is still there!
990251;1422120912;mircea_popescu;might be societal brain rot at work ;/
990252;1422120931;asciilifeform;linus curates - kernel.
990253;1422120935;asciilifeform;everything else - the wolves.
990254;1422120946;pete_dushenski;asciilifeform: i'm hardly a power user so i hope mine lasts longer than that
990255;1422120956;pete_dushenski;the unicomp that is
990256;1422120958;*;asciilifeform is compiling a mutilated linux kernel as we speak
990257;1422120960;mircea_popescu;yes, he is not as powerful, or moreover, power works differently in foss.
990258;1422120967;mircea_popescu;however, it used to be enough, atsme point
990259;1422121001;asciilifeform;once there was a town outside the castle - now, wolves.
990260;1422121004;asciilifeform;castle - still there, afaik.
990261;1422121008;asciilifeform;kernel - works.
990262;1422121024;mircea_popescu;yeah
990263;1422121037;asciilifeform;and so far resists incursions of poetteringism, afaik.
990264;1422121039;mircea_popescu;societal brain rot.
990265;1422121064;mircea_popescu;"the people" are simply stupider than they were even twenty years ago.
990266;1422121108;asciilifeform;pete_dushenski: what i utterly fail to grasp is why the 'unicomp' is even a thing, when actual 'model m' can be had for 20-50 usd. in working condition (if perhaps in need of a bath)
990267;1422121131;mircea_popescu;the latter point, i bet.
990268;1422121154;asciilifeform;oh noez, cleaning
990269;1422121170;pete_dushenski;asciilifeform: my guess is the usb
990270;1422121179;mircea_popescu;"The second-system effect (also known as second-system syndrome) is the tendency of small, elegant, and successful systems to have elephantine, feature-laden monstrosities as their successors due to inflated expectations."
990271;1422121182;mircea_popescu;fucking wikipedia.
990272;1422121183;pete_dushenski;and no need to program keys
990273;1422121183;asciilifeform;pete_dushenski: another $5 or so buys converter box
990274;1422121201;pete_dushenski;unicomp has all the normal mac keys
990275;1422121210;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: second-system effect << almost invariably discussed in the context of 'multics'
990276;1422121210;pete_dushenski;model m has to be diddled
990277;1422121236;mircea_popescu;no, it is NOT because of "inflated expectations". it is because of the barnacle effect. the world consists of a productive minority and a leechy majority. once a small elegant system becomes known, the previously uninformed majority now has a gradient to inform it. so they swarm the 2nd system, and barnacle it to all hell.
990278;1422121245;pete_dushenski;a small barrier to entry, but a barrier nonetheless
990279;1422121247;mircea_popescu;nothing is worse for a good project than poorly selected new contributors.
990280;1422121262;asciilifeform;pete_dushenski: the customary mapping, iirc, is capslock->ctrl, ctrl->cmd, alt->option
990281;1422121348;pete_dushenski;asciilifeform: which is easy enough to do with sizzlingkeys, but this doesn't work on pre-10.7
990282;1422121357;asciilifeform;pete_dushenski: sizzlingkeys ?
990283;1422121374;pete_dushenski;http://www.yellowmug.com/sk4it/
990284;1422121375;assbot;    SizzlingKeys for Mac OS X -    Control iTunes with keyboard hot keys using this iTunes Controller ... ( http://bit.ly/1BnW5PC )
990285;1422121376;asciilifeform;pete_dushenski: apple's config thing has built-in key mapper
990286;1422121434;pete_dushenski;true as well
990287;1422121468;pete_dushenski;but apple's config doesn't recognise "alt"
990288;1422121469;asciilifeform;this is the thing that always blew my mind about serious apple aficionados - they will pay, 20-100 usd, for a proggy that ought to be a 3-line perl script
990289;1422121490;decimation;mircea_popescu: re: judge who threw confused girl in jail for 4 years << nope he is a yale grad http://www.whitehouse.gov/the-press-office/2012/11/14/president-obama-nominates-seven-united-states-district-courts
990290;1422121492;assbot;President Obama Nominates Seven to the United States District Courts | The White House ... ( http://bit.ly/1BnWhOX )
990291;1422121528;asciilifeform;pete_dushenski: 'alt' is, iirc, called 'option' on apple box.
990292;1422121544;decimation;asciilifeform: yeah I use unicomp because mac
990293;1422121553;pete_dushenski;asciilifeform: economists would say that this is the function of specialisation in an economy ;)
990294;1422121558;decimation;possibly one could remap keys though, osx actually is pretty good with that
990295;1422121561;mircea_popescu;decimation nuts
990296;1422121589;asciilifeform;decimation: the two habitual mac users i work with just threw out their unicomps (i think they were..) and bought actual 'model m' each.
990297;1422121713;decimation;yeah I would say that the unicomp strikes me as 'plastic-y'
990298;1422121726;asciilifeform;aha.
990299;1422121745;mircea_popescu;i kinda like breaking kbds.
990300;1422121752;decimation;re: mac software quality << google just released 3 '90-days' for osx https://code.google.com/p/google-security-research/issues/list?can=1&q=OS+X+status%3DNew&colspec=ID+Type+Status+Priority+Milestone+Owner+Summary&cells=tiles
990301;1422121753;assbot;Issues -  google-security-research -   Google Security Research - Google Project Hosting  ... ( http://bit.ly/1BnWQIj )
990302;1422121778;asciilifeform;37.157.216.140 << armenia?!
990303;1422121830;mircea_popescu;seems so ?
990304;1422121832;mircea_popescu;!up Alina-malina
990305;1422121833;mircea_popescu;ey!
990306;1422121874;asciilifeform;decimation: https://code.google.com/p/google-security-research/issues/detail?id=136&can=1&q=OS%20X%20status%3DNew <<< lol! radiodiddle?
990307;1422121876;assbot;Issue 136 -  google-security-research -  OS X IOKit kernel memory corruption due to bad bzero in IOBluetoothDevice -  Google Security Research - Google Project Hosting  ... ( http://bit.ly/1BnWZeS )
990308;1422121879;decimation;asciilifeform: re: pogoplug << http://archlinuxarm.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=2284  Arch linux dufus parade has a thread that shows the location of a uart
990309;1422121880;assbot;Arch Linux ARM • View topic - Installation on the Pogoplug Series 4 ... ( http://bit.ly/1BnX2aE )
990310;1422121901;decimation;yeah there's something in the bluetooth stack
990311;1422121914;asciilifeform;decimation: i think i linked the photo here. at any rate the uart is plain as daylight on this board.
990312;1422121921;pete_dushenski;i've never trusted apple bluetooth
990313;1422121937;asciilifeform;i'll point out that it is not necessary to use the uart on pogo unless you seriously botch the install.
990314;1422121953;pete_dushenski;goddamit i barely trust anything a macbook air does
990315;1422121965;decimation;what if you want a serial console?
990316;1422122008;[]bot;Bet placed: 1.81747625 BTC for Yes on "BTC back over $300 before March" http://bitbet.us/bet/1110/ Odds: 64(Y):36(N) by coin, 64(Y):36(N) by weight. Total bet: 5.59373041 BTC. Current weight: 83,343.
990317;1422122016;decimation;at any rate, "arch linux arm" officially supports their port on the pogoplug I gather
990318;1422122018;asciilifeform;decimation: if want - sure
990319;1422122029;asciilifeform;decimation: iirc arch linux is a systemd-ized turd.
990320;1422122045;decimation;yes, it quietly adopted years ago
990321;1422122071;Alina-malina;erm
990322;1422122073;Alina-malina;hi
990323;1422122081;asciilifeform;Alina-malina: who might you be ?
990324;1422122125;Alina-malina;asciilifeform, www.twitter.com/aleenamaleena
990325;1422122154;mircea_popescu;hi Alina-malina
990326;1422122161;mircea_popescu;are you from armenia ?
990327;1422122173;Alina-malina;hi mircea_popescu
990328;1422122175;danielpbarron;https://twitter.com/AleenaMaleena/status/528602172124958720
990329;1422122176;assbot;http://t.co/WxIlVnBijB
990330;1422122192;Alina-malina;mircea_popescu, positive
990331;1422122213;mircea_popescu;lol what's that one ?
990332;1422122213;*;danielpbarron is half armenian
990333;1422122225;mircea_popescu;and shouldn't it read "buttcoins" ?
990334;1422122237;mircea_popescu;!rate Alina-malina 1 Voice
990335;1422122237;assbot;Alina-malina is not registered in WoT.
990336;1422122243;mircea_popescu;get in teh wot will you.
990337;1422122256;Alina-malina;how?
990338;1422122277;danielpbarron;http://www.contravex.com/2014/09/23/please-to-pgp-guide-for-linux-os-x-windows/
990339;1422122279;assbot;Please To PGP (Guide for Linux, OS X, Windows) | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski ... ( http://bit.ly/1BnXKVe )
990340;1422122280;mircea_popescu;one second.
990341;1422122286;mircea_popescu;a there you go Alina-malina
990342;1422122345;pete_dushenski;danielpbarron: armenian eh? you guys are like jooz 2.0 eh
990343;1422122351;mircea_popescu;they are.
990344;1422122357;Alina-malina;jooz?
990345;1422122369;mircea_popescu;Alina-malina jewish people. like pete_dushenski
990346;1422122372;danielpbarron;it's just a little genocide
990347;1422122373;Alina-malina;ah
990348;1422122375;Alina-malina;right
990349;1422122377;Alina-malina;heh
990350;1422122379;Alina-malina;we are mountain jews
990351;1422122381;Alina-malina;lol
990352;1422122384;mircea_popescu;lmao
990353;1422122385;pete_dushenski;danielpbarron: and financially savvy, neh?
990354;1422122393;decimation;re: eastern europe: http://www.rferl.org/content/russia-lithuania-manual-foreign-invasion/26802181.html << lol lithuania gov't, worried about Russian aggression, publicly released a 'handbook' detailing how to flee to poland
990355;1422122394;assbot;Wary Of Russian Aggression, Vilnius Creates How-To Manual For Dealing With Foreign Invasion ... ( http://bit.ly/1BnXYvN )
990356;1422122394;mircea_popescu;"swamp trolls and mountain trolls"
990357;1422122395;pete_dushenski;Alina-malina: ha!
990358;1422122411;pete_dushenski;mircea_popescu: please, desert trolls
990359;1422122419;mircea_popescu;decimation because russia never invaded poland...
990360;1422122425;mircea_popescu;they should have had a plan to flee to finland.
990361;1422122436;pete_dushenski;and poland never invaded lithuania...
990362;1422122438;mircea_popescu;pete_dushenski that is the lol.
990363;1422122449;decimation;note, lithuania didn't draft all adult males into army, issue rifles, and begin training...
990364;1422122452;pete_dushenski;well then, lol!
990365;1422122557;mircea_popescu;http://41.media.tumblr.com/fc6d2e7f75c34047e678136f8a410e8a/tumblr_nhm7344vEM1u4e2kko1_1280.jpg
990366;1422122559;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1BnYk5j )
990367;1422122579;decimation;"In the meantime, Lithuania is slowly strengthening its military apparatus, aiming to raise defense spending to 1.1 percent of GDP this year, and to NATO's own recommended target of 2 percent by 2020."
990368;1422122629;asciilifeform;the baltic nazis were rather miffed when they learned what their role in nato would be (human shields, corpse-carriers) on account of lacking actual armies
990369;1422122677;decimation;I can't imagine buying a surplus romanian kalash & a few sticks of c4 for every household would be more than a few $100 mil
990370;1422122691;decimation;however, what $$ cannot buy is the will to use them
990371;1422122701;asciilifeform;decimation: they would have to confront the fact that %xx of the adult men are pro-soviet
990372;1422122710;asciilifeform;and will fight on -that- side
990373;1422122721;decimation;not hold out finland style?
990374;1422122729;asciilifeform;finland is an actual country.
990375;1422122808;mircea_popescu;the baltic states are a complicated matter.
990376;1422122873;asciilifeform;interesting example of latvia, where, iirc, the greater share of adult men are on 'european tour' (sweeping floors in germany for hourly wage)
990377;1422122879;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes http://40.media.tumblr.com/8e788c436213452d04f56f5664ca46e3/tumblr_ncbcyt46ni1sffpvxo1_1280.jpg << now there is a REAL burning man!
990378;1422122880;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1uHVPLT )
990379;1422123016;decimation;I had a professor from Warsaw in EE undergrad:  he had a joke: what do you call Prof. Zak in an f-16?  Simple Pole in the complex plane?
990380;1422123033;pete_dushenski;asciilifeform: the men of lithuania idem
990381;1422123065;asciilifeform;in latvia, estonia, situation is somewhat 'ukraininan' in that the industrial/scientific productive folks are solidly ru-speaking (if not actual ru)
990382;1422123094;pete_dushenski;ha that's an interesting point
990383;1422123112;asciilifeform;hence, the enthusiastic suckers of usg cock are faced with waging war on everything that distinguishes their country from african pisshole
990384;1422123120;decimation;asciilifeform: also I suspect the 'productive' who didn't like living next to ru have already left.
990385;1422123137;asciilifeform;decimation: there are only so many cabs in new york to drive.
990386;1422123159;*;pete_dushenski reflects on distinctly pro-russian, pro-intellectual veins coursing through his ukrainian ancestry
990387;1422123205;mircea_popescu;<decimation> asciilifeform: also I suspect the 'productive' who didn't like living next to ru have already left. << quite.
990388;1422123206;pete_dushenski;decimation: ya, a century ago
990389;1422123212;*;decimation has ancestors who came from functioning german settlements around odessa
990390;1422123294;mircea_popescu;http://41.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_me7vlhQ22u1qejludo1_1280.jpg << on their arms and knees.
990391;1422123296;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1Bo0jXk )
990392;1422123327;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu likes visible ribs, or what
990393;1422123346;mircea_popescu;the hound too houndy for your taste ?
990394;1422123352;decimation;re: clocks in computers << yes, the "RTC" chip with its shitty lithium battery and low-quality quartz is pointless
990395;1422123358;asciilifeform;hound poorly fed.
990396;1422123396;asciilifeform;decimation: not entirely pointless, as poorly written os assumes a notion of local time before network bringup
990397;1422123405;decimation;better to have the money spent on upgrading the oscillator that drives the cpu, so that accurate time can be kept in the short-run
990398;1422123409;mircea_popescu;poorly written os keyword.
990399;1422123432;decimation;the naming of time is a social phenomenon
990400;1422123443;asciilifeform;decimation: and you still need an oscillator, given as the tick counter in cpu (x86-64 has one, but it is not a universal) can stop during low-power modes
990401;1422123481;decimation;right, but usually the oscillator is a shitty plain quartz without temperature compensation
990402;1422123498;decimation;even in expensive 'professional' servers
990403;1422123518;asciilifeform;there are no 'professional' x86 boxes, only hypertrophied pc.
990404;1422123526;mircea_popescu;^
990405;1422123530;decimation;aye
990406;1422123542;mircea_popescu;basically they're running 1985 chinese wristwatches
990407;1422123585;asciilifeform;an actual computer would have, at minimum, an 'oven' oscillator (capsule can also house rng.) or even rubidium oscillator.
990408;1422123596;mircea_popescu;defo.
990409;1422123602;decimation;indeed.  or provisions for an external clock that has the same
990410;1422123637;mircea_popescu;nah, should be on boardwith golden contacts.
990411;1422123640;asciilifeform;interestingly, fpga dev boards often have bayonet connectors for external clocking.
990412;1422123651;asciilifeform;golden contacts naturally
990413;1422123661;decimation;time is a concern for bitcoin, and I suspect that 99% of your 'ntp' servers trace back to usg
990414;1422123662;danielpbarron;;;isitdown bitcointalk.org
990415;1422123663;gribble;bitcointalk.org is up
990416;1422123670;decimation;via the 'gps' system
990417;1422123674;asciilifeform;http://www.loper-os.org/?p=668 << see photograph in this article
990418;1422123676;assbot;Loper OS » Cypress EZ-Host Firmware Development Under Linux. ... ( http://bit.ly/1uHZCZM )
990419;1422123687;asciilifeform;the coax connectors are clock in/out
990420;1422123708;asciilifeform;oscillator (upper left hand) is socketed and you can yank it.
990421;1422123708;decimation;asciilifeform: presumably because fpga board designers are solving actual problem with actual hardware
990422;1422123714;mircea_popescu;decimation actually that tracing is why bitcin was designed so time isn't a concern
990423;1422123747;decimation;is time completely ignored in all the 'orphan' algorithms?
990424;1422123752;asciilifeform;most if not all public ntp is operated by governments, yes.
990425;1422123777;asciilifeform;i was actually going to suggest that ben_vulpes et. al. run an ntp server.
990426;1422123790;mircea_popescu;decimation not completely ignored, but one minute disagreements don't matter.
990427;1422123794;asciilifeform;if only so that 'pogo' node can be pointed to it.
990428;1422123837;mircea_popescu;http://36.media.tumblr.com/5f843d5cc376e98d317f5bc7ff69259c/tumblr_ni19lxkUQC1tkiwgwo1_1280.jpg
990429;1422123839;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1Bo1QN4 )
990430;1422123843;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes, et al : these boxes won't be ready for battlefield until seeding patch.
990431;1422123913;decimation;so the ability to run a clock within 1 min of other nodes worldwide is an implied requirement (or finding someone nearby with the same)
990432;1422123927;*;asciilifeform out to meatspace for a spell
990433;1422124019;mircea_popescu;decimation no, the ability to keep time within about a minute of what your previous idea of time was when the previous block was mined.
990434;1422124045;mircea_popescu;basically the bitcoin requirement is that your time is within ~10% ish of itself. so you can travel at up to 30Mm/sec.
990435;1422124108;mircea_popescu;ie, if the network thinks block 2 is mined at 12:00, and your clock thinks it's 17:55, and then block three is, according to the network, mined at 12:11 but your clock thinks it's 18:22 you'll have a problem.
990436;1422124120;mircea_popescu;(numbers entirely arbitrary, hafta look at actual code to get actual numbers)
990437;1422124238;nubbins`;i can't even keep track of what casascius coins i have right now
990438;1422124242;nubbins`;where's my spreadsheet!
990439;1422124335;nubbins`;okay, whoa
990440;1422124351;nubbins`;how do i still have so many o.O
990441;1422124567;nubbins`;http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/2tixaa/got_pulled_over_and_my_trezor_was_confiscated/
990442;1422124569;assbot;Got pulled over and my Trezor was confiscated, Police claimed its a voice recorder : Bitcoin ... ( http://bit.ly/1Bo3xKu )
990443;1422124600;nubbins`;how many tards are reading that and saying "sucks he lost his tresor!!!!" instead of "what the fuck, the cops siezed a voice recorder?!"
990444;1422124608;nubbins`;ACAB
990445;1422124614;mircea_popescu;yeah srsly.
990446;1422124645;nubbins`;"what if you were robbed at gunpoint? oh wait it already happened"
990447;1422124660;midnightmagic;yeah that part was funny
990448;1422124666;nubbins`;yep
990449;1422124674;nubbins`;fool for wearing hw wallet around neck
990450;1422124679;nubbins`;at least tuck it into your fuckin shirt.
990451;1422124686;decimation;nubbins`: yeah I wonder what state he lives in
990452;1422124694;nubbins`;"got beat up, $5k of bling stolen"
990453;1422124697;decimation;could have been for breaking 'wiretap' laws
990454;1422124698;nubbins`;decimation texass
990455;1422124713;mircea_popescu;anyway, he's not getting it back.
990456;1422124731;decimation;http://www.dmlp.org/legal-guide/texas-recording-law < texas is a 1-party state
990457;1422124732;assbot;Texas Recording Law | Digital Media Law Project ... ( http://bit.ly/1Bo3MoV )
990458;1422124774;mircea_popescu;oh, the LAW is it.
990459;1422124783;decimation;maybe he can argue his case to a 'magistrate' from yale :)
990460;1422124787;mircea_popescu;what country do you think this is, syria ?
990461;1422124798;nubbins`;mircea_popescu tbh your post went a bit off the rails when you started ranting about niggers, but otherwise reasonably well put together
990462;1422124808;nubbins`;7/10 would not link to
990463;1422124835;mircea_popescu;what, i can't take a libertard word and redefine it to cash in on their investment ?
990464;1422124844;mircea_popescu;only they can take all the fucking words and do it ?!
990465;1422124850;*;nubbins` shrugs
990466;1422124855;decimation;yeah, it turns out yale owns the words
990467;1422124857;nubbins`;"nigger" is a libertard word? o.o
990468;1422124865;decimation;nubbins`: sure is
990469;1422124871;decimation;in the negative sense anyway
990470;1422124871;mircea_popescu;for the record, the definition of nigger is in http://trilema.com/2013/fried-chicken/
990471;1422124871;assbot;Fried chicken pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.  ... ( http://bit.ly/1Bo40fP )
990472;1422124878;mircea_popescu;roughly boils down to "us politician"
990473;1422124890;nubbins`;so africa is a metaphor?
990474;1422124895;mircea_popescu;ayup
990475;1422124897;nubbins`;o.
990476;1422124901;mircea_popescu;duh.
990477;1422124926;decimation;I had a friend who grew up around actual black people working in the fields in the south circa ~1960; they were called niggers and called themselves niggers without offense
990478;1422124932;mircea_popescu;and also we're using rape to refer to sexual intercourse now.
990479;1422124939;mircea_popescu;no idea why, but i'll grant it's shorter, so.
990480;1422124942;thestringpuller;mircea_popescu: random: you would like the show shameless.
990481;1422124957;nubbins`;anyway, rang true up until that point
990482;1422124968;thestringpuller;Or maybe i dunno. may not be smart enough for you but certain dialogue in it makes me think of trilema
990483;1422124978;nubbins`;can't say that pr's personal responsibility post wasn't clattering around the back of my mind while i was making rube jerky
990484;1422124982;mircea_popescu;nubbins` well, as the alternative usage spreads the article will become easier to read.
990485;1422124983;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3647 @ 0.00046731 = 1.7043 BTC [+]
990486;1422125007;mircea_popescu;nubbins` anyway, you're basically doing what fluffypony was doing on reddit : total waste of your time, subjectively,
990487;1422125012;mircea_popescu;but something i definitely respect.
990488;1422125015;*;nubbins` nods slowly
990489;1422125045;nubbins`;i'm in a position where this sort of thing doesn't really hinder my productivity
990490;1422125055;nubbins`;lotta paper prints these days, and paper air-dries 8)
990491;1422125063;mircea_popescu;lol then by all means.
990492;1422125073;mircea_popescu;also, arguing with idiots is, like figure skating, a sport.
990493;1422125075;mircea_popescu;keepos the blood going
990494;1422125082;nubbins`;funny cos that WC guy definitely spent 100% of the last couple days panicking and dealing w/ this
990495;1422125087;mircea_popescu;nmot the thing to do while your house's on fire, but otherwise...
990496;1422125094;nubbins`;heh.
990497;1422125111;mircea_popescu;his "fu guise i'm going home" megapost looks like it had outside help
990498;1422125119;nubbins`;in the absence of flesh, a whetstone. in the absence of whet, granite.
990499;1422125120;mircea_popescu;multiple, even
990500;1422125132;mircea_popescu;lol
990501;1422125200;nubbins`;i actually am sorry the forum crashed
990502;1422125209;nubbins`;he actually posted an image of his "fuck you nubbins" coin
990503;1422125231;nubbins`;big vector hand w/ middle finger raised, and NUBBINS in times new roman caps underneath
990504;1422125233;nubbins`;i lel'd
990505;1422125240;fluffypony;hand crafted?
990506;1422125243;nubbins`;nah
990507;1422125243;thestringpuller;http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/2tixaa/got_pulled_over_and_my_trezor_was_confiscated/ << how is this not news yet?
990508;1422125248;nubbins`;illustrator
990509;1422125260;nubbins`;just more clipart :)
990510;1422125267;nubbins`;thestringpuller scroll up
990511;1422125275;nubbins`;it's amerikkka, old news, nobody cares yet
990512;1422125281;nubbins`;give it a few decades
990513;1422125305;thestringpuller;i like the three k's in there
990514;1422125342;thestringpuller;"fu guise i'm going home" << weird how south park is allusion is everywhere.
990515;1422125350;mircea_popescu;thestringpuller cuz bingo sleeps!
990516;1422125429;thestringpuller;I thought this was a support channel for insomniacs tho?
990517;1422125450;*;thestringpuller stays up all night looking for answers on the computer.
990518;1422125531;pete_dushenski;http://www.contravex.com/2015/01/24/an-uncivilised-breath-of-fresh-air/
990519;1422125533;assbot;An uncivilised breath of fresh air | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski ... ( http://bit.ly/1Bo5gQ3 )
990520;1422125615;mircea_popescu;thestringpuller it's like 4pm wtf are you on about lol
990521;1422125653;thestringpuller;i'm drunk
990522;1422125668;mircea_popescu;$conference
990523;1422125674;empyex;mircea_popescu: Next conference starts in 2 months and 24 days. Estimated cost today: 8.16685513 BTC (Details: http://trilema.com/2014/the-conference-third-edition/ )
990524;1422125688;thestringpuller;wow not bad.
990525;1422125710;thestringpuller;did cazalla ever send you my press credential MP?
990526;1422125777;mircea_popescu;not that i recall ?
990527;1422125784;mircea_popescu;but i saw you published in qntra neh ?
990528;1422125801;ben_vulpes;hola pumperos
990529;1422125863;mircea_popescu;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T_SS-TyXhhU
990530;1422125864;assbot;Los Lobos~ La Bamba~ FULL HQ - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1Bo5PcH )
990531;1422125894;ben_vulpes;<mats> [] ive been here a while and i still can't get over the high class white pussy strolling the streets << take any home yet?
990532;1422125922;mircea_popescu;Despite their references to the successes of King Louis XIV, both of these books are still yoked by the exact same horse-blindering Churchillian reverence for all that is broad-franchise democracy, and in particular it�s always-in-tow little brothers, socialism and inflation. << this guy.
990533;1422125965;ben_vulpes;who's that?
990534;1422126069;ben_vulpes;!up Xuthus
990535;1422126084;mircea_popescu;that is our jewish friend pete.
990536;1422126235;mircea_popescu;he's gonna end up a sort of Bertrand Levy of the republican times.
990537;1422126265;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13870 @ 0.00047319 = 6.5631 BTC [+] {2} 
990538;1422126268;ben_vulpes;i was hoping for someone outside of the echo chamber.
990539;1422126328;mats;ofc
990540;1422126352;mircea_popescu;shut up and eat your cultpeas.
990541;1422126434;pete_dushenski;i imagine that cultpeas would all be the exact same size, zero variation
990542;1422126491;pete_dushenski;and be the palest, most lacklustre green
990543;1422126521;pete_dushenski;ben_vulpes: echo, echooo, echooooo
990544;1422126525;mircea_popescu;nah, get out of here
990545;1422126543;mircea_popescu;cultpeas are fucking m&m's that have spent thirty seconds in a chick's cunt.
990546;1422126560;pete_dushenski;o shit they're that good ?!
990547;1422126576;ben_vulpes;sounds melty
990548;1422126578;pete_dushenski;then why won't ben eat them ?
990549;1422126608;pete_dushenski;that hard shell is surprisingly protective
990550;1422126619;pete_dushenski;though the colours are sure to run
990551;1422126628;mircea_popescu;yeah, i have timed this. 30 seconds best seconds.
990552;1422126636;pete_dushenski;such science
990553;1422126647;mircea_popescu;pete_dushenski runny colors are pretty much the identifying mark of this here cunt
990554;1422126650;mircea_popescu;i mean cult.
990555;1422126684;pete_dushenski;haha ya, blurring all the colours of all the flags
990556;1422126749;thestringpuller;pete_dushenski: you money and my money ain't the same damn kind
990557;1422126758;thestringpuller;i can live your life and my life at the same damn time
990558;1422126765;thestringpuller;- p. diddy DA RMX
990559;1422126970;ben_vulpes;<mircea_popescu> [] danielpbarron: << handcrafted coffee now? << this actually is a thing. I've had it in CR. It looks say like : http://trilema.com/2011/chestii-pe-care-mi-le-doresc-dar-nu-le-voi-putea-gasi-niciodata/ << actually how all decent coffee is made
990560;1422126970;assbot;Chestii pe care mi le doresc dar nu le voi putea gasi niciodata pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.  ... ( http://bit.ly/1Bo8mDz )
990561;1422127042;mircea_popescu;i imagine so.
990562;1422127060;ben_vulpes;(the notion that a high grade product like coffee, or chocolate can be made in bulk, in such a way to appeal to the masses...well, this is old hat around here, right?)
990563;1422127089;ben_vulpes;i don't think though that we've extended this to computational substrate yet.
990564;1422127105;pete_dushenski;thestringpuller: :)
990565;1422127107;ben_vulpes;prevailing opinion being that there's no point in making a high quality computing product...yet
990566;1422127129;ben_vulpes;<asciilifeform> [] ben_vulpes, possibly other folks who work on apple machines: http://www.mondaynote.com/2015/01/18/apple-software-quality-questions << tell me about it
990567;1422127131;assbot;Apple Software Quality Questions | Monday Note ... ( http://bit.ly/1Bo8K55 )
990568;1422127181;ben_vulpes;they have this hilarious "spreadsheet" program "Numbers" that not just disregards 20 years of spreadsheet UI finessing, but also disregards their own text input conventions.
990569;1422127184;ben_vulpes;horrid.
990570;1422127192;ben_vulpes;can't handle trivial column shooping.
990571;1422127203;ben_vulpes;references get dropped constantly.
990572;1422127230;ben_vulpes;the "calculator" in 10.10 uses javascript
990573;1422127240;ben_vulpes;and so...can't actually do math anymore.
990574;1422127315;ben_vulpes;the mourning cry is "steve is dead"
990575;1422127320;ben_vulpes;itunes has been rotting since 10.4, at least
990576;1422127336;ben_vulpes;it was an entirely serviceable music library manager, until someone decided that it needed more features.
990577;1422127349;ben_vulpes;the new iphones are lolariously large
990578;1422127357;ben_vulpes;*embarrasingly* large
990579;1422127375;ben_vulpes;"oh hang on let me take out my tablet to take this call"
990580;1422127381;ben_vulpes;"american small"
990581;1422127423;ben_vulpes;<mircea_popescu> [] "the people" are simply stupider than they were even twenty years ago. << stupider? or more?
990582;1422127493;ben_vulpes;<asciilifeform> [] this is the thing that always blew my mind about serious apple aficionados - they will pay, 20-100 usd, for a proggy that ought to be a 3-line perl script << funny, this
990583;1422127512;ben_vulpes;i was entreated by a girl to "block some sites" on her computer. jezebel, gawker, others.
990584;1422127516;ben_vulpes;thirty second task.
990585;1422127529;ben_vulpes;*seasoned* apple users totally boggled - "what did you use for that?!"
990586;1422127533;ben_vulpes;"uh, /etc/hosts?"
990587;1422127538;ben_vulpes;*crickets*
990588;1422129071;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23157 @ 0.0004722 = 10.9347 BTC [-]
990589;1422129206;jurov;coinfire now at coinfire.io... but that went down too
990590;1422129220;fluffypony;lol
990591;1422129285;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes more stupider.
990592;1422129417;mircea_popescu;either that or dnsmasq to root them to localhost.
990593;1422129419;mircea_popescu;route*
990594;1422129573;mircea_popescu;;;ticker
990595;1422129575;gribble;Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 246.67, Best ask: 247.31, Bid-ask spread: 0.64000, Last trade: 246.67, 24 hour volume: 14755.03702198, 24 hour low: 230.0, 24 hour high: 249.49, 24 hour vwap: 239.808572793
990596;1422129620;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19600 @ 0.00047423 = 9.2949 BTC [+] {3} 
990597;1422129628;mircea_popescu;$conference
990598;1422129628;empyex;mircea_popescu: Next conference starts in 2 months and 24 days. Estimated cost today: 8.14434281 BTC (Details: http://trilema.com/2014/the-conference-third-edition/ )
990599;1422130169;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12846 @ 0.00046809 = 6.0131 BTC [-]
990600;1422130962;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16750 @ 0.0004785 = 8.0149 BTC [+] {2} 
990601;1422131541;mircea_popescu;http://36.media.tumblr.com/ddd24abce6f5955b395f09174b57e033/tumblr_nhxg7iISA81tkiwgwo1_1280.jpg
990602;1422131542;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1Boimgj )
990603;1422131694;mircea_popescu;http://cascadianhacker.com/blog/2014/11/09_the-bitcoin-foundation-or-la-serenissima-tilts-at-windmills-or-so-you-want-to-hack-on-bitcoin-or-the-bitcoin-tax.html
990604;1422131695;assbot;The Bitcoin Foundation (Or: La Serenissima Tilts at Windmills, or: So You Want to Hack on Bitcoin, or: The Bitcoin Tax) ... ( http://bit.ly/18ckgXJ )
990605;1422131702;mircea_popescu;this is pretty cool reading, coupla months later.
990606;1422131944;xanthyos;!up Bagels7
990607;1422131960;mircea_popescu;i just dropped 5 lbs of steel handcuffs on 4 lbs of laptop
990608;1422131973;mircea_popescu;no damage.
990609;1422131979;mircea_popescu;fucking plastics...
990610;1422132102;Bagels7;hello mircea. why do you post naked women every once in a while? and why do they always have their arms down in that pose
990611;1422132119;fluffypony;it's because of his religious beliefs
990612;1422132145;fluffypony;they're in their natural pose (preparing supper in the kitchen)
990613;1422132146;mircea_popescu;also because they're good subbies ? who knows.
990614;1422132162;Bagels7;how many subbies do you have
990615;1422132163;mircea_popescu;http://41.media.tumblr.com/c55d10880cb8563c4af9aa53724bddc8/tumblr_ng7e3sebuM1tkz70so1_1280.jpg << you mean like that ?
990616;1422132166;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1BojAbc )
990617;1422132175;mircea_popescu;Bagels7 depends on your definition of "have"
990618;1422132194;Bagels7;well lets use your definition
990619;1422132225;mircea_popescu;im not having any right now, im sitting an' derping at computers. i had one earlier, in her ass.
990620;1422132232;mircea_popescu;http://40.media.tumblr.com/851963a501c61811525c8a5faae9c63c/tumblr_nhobtbJiel1tkiwgwo1_1280.jpg << hands by request.
990621;1422132234;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1BojIaB )
990622;1422132250;mircea_popescu;http://41.media.tumblr.com/9695a3751ab2896b73f0f598fc9ad859/tumblr_nh80q1PqyT1txyk7vo1_1280.jpg << legs, also.
990623;1422132251;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1BojIYe )
990624;1422132295;Bagels7;do you really believe all women are useless if not for being a bimbo
990625;1422132324;mircea_popescu;usefulness requires a criteria.
990626;1422132327;punkman;http://36.media.tumblr.com/ddd24abce6f5955b395f09174b57e033/tumblr_nhxg7iISA81tkiwgwo1_1280.jpg << hey I've been there!
990627;1422132329;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/18cmqqa )
990628;1422132336;jurov;mircea's looking forward to hanbot's obituary
990629;1422132340;Bagels7;yes, nice legs. thank you
990630;1422132353;mircea_popescu;http://cascadianhacker.com/blog/2014/10/25_notes-on-increasing-the-maximum-bitcoin-block-size-or-why-it-aint-happenin.html << hey ben_vulpes did gavin ever respond to that one ?
990631;1422132354;assbot;Notes on Increasing the Maximum Bitcoin Block Size (or, "Why it ain't happenin'") ... ( http://bit.ly/18cmvKG )
990632;1422132354;jurov;she'll be useful for that at least
990633;1422132370;ben_vulpes;nah. nuffin.
990634;1422132424;Bagels7;I think I think you are sexist Micea_popescu
990635;1422132429;mircea_popescu;because, obviously, water and soap doesn't exist and who could ever wash!
990636;1422132450;mircea_popescu;Bagels7 yes, i believe there is strict and unbreachable difference between the sexes.
990637;1422132466;Bagels7;i agree
990638;1422132471;mircea_popescu;so then we're both sexists.
990639;1422132477;Bagels7;but not the ones that people think
990640;1422132486;mircea_popescu;well people generally have no idea.
990641;1422132597;mircea_popescu;punkman gotta work on your timing then
990642;1422132734;Bagels7;well there was a bunch of stuff i didn't agree with that you said but I forgot what it was
990643;1422132754;mircea_popescu;maybe you actually agreed but you forgot.
990644;1422132763;mircea_popescu;http://editorial.designtaxi.com/news-adsexist1507/4.jpg << lol this takes the cake.
990645;1422132765;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1BokO6j )
990646;1422132793;punkman;great set of photos http://www.brainparking.com/view/topic.cfm?key_or=1241034&rate_old=10&type=49&lenta_type=3
990647;1422132794;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1BokTH7 )
990648;1422132811;Bagels7;my boyfriend makes my coffee and sandwhiches and cooks
990649;1422132874;mircea_popescu;so good for him.
990650;1422132898;mircea_popescu;yup cute blondie
990651;1422132909;Bagels7;oh so you have no problem when the sexes are reversed. neat
990652;1422132953;Bagels7;who took all those pictures
990653;1422133003;mircea_popescu;this set prolly schwarz
990654;1422133043;punkman;who's that?
990655;1422133096;mircea_popescu;saul schwartz, did a bunch of kink sets iirc
990656;1422133202;Bagels7;No, the differences between the sexes are breachable. some men sit down to pee because their mother made them
990657;1422133228;mircea_popescu;hardly worth the mention.
990658;1422133279;Bagels7;its really common here in canada that women act  like men
990659;1422133310;mircea_popescu;only to the eyes of someone who has no idea what men act like.
990660;1422133312;Bagels7;havent you heard about the pussification of the modern man
990661;1422133319;mircea_popescu;they'd at best amuse actual men.
990662;1422133326;*;mircea_popescu shrugs.
990663;1422133340;mircea_popescu;neoteny is quite universal in teh degerate west.
990664;1422133451;Bagels7;well i know how men act like, i grew up with only a father, and all my aunts married passified men probably after they fucked a bunch of alpha's
990665;1422133521;mircea_popescu;mmmkay
990666;1422133585;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23400 @ 0.00048182 = 11.2746 BTC [+] {4} 
990667;1422133759;mircea_popescu;;;tslb
990668;1422133763;gribble;Time since last block: 7 minutes and 5 seconds
990669;1422133813;hanbot;<jurov> mircea's looking forward to hanbot's obituary << lol what are you on about?
990670;1422133922;jurov;hanbot remember the trilema post that spouse of deceased man is useless except to write the obituary?
990671;1422133994;hanbot;well i remember the trilema post in which the woman's duty to write a eulogy, suck cock, and wash socks was outlined
990672;1422134013;hanbot;iono about useless
990673;1422134019;hanbot;or "spouse", for that matter ;p
990674;1422134021;jurov;Bagels7 ^^^
990675;1422134035;jurov;he was asking about it
990676;1422134053;mircea_popescu;omfg that's not what that article said, and wtf spouse!
990677;1422134073;hanbot;http://trilema.com/2014/the-womans-job/  since we're on it
990678;1422134074;assbot;The woman's job. pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.  ... ( http://bit.ly/1Bontgj )
990679;1422134074;mircea_popescu;!rate jurov -pi Reading Incomprehension!
990680;1422134074;assbot;Rating should be any non zero value between 10 and -10.
990681;1422134093;jurov;*gulp*
990682;1422134104;mircea_popescu;now you've done it!
990683;1422134180;mircea_popescu;hanbot if you eventually decide to sue for creation of a sexually harassful working environment, pls to direct it at jurov
990684;1422134197;jurov;she's working here?
990685;1422134213;mircea_popescu;no, but nevertheless!
990686;1422134244;jurov;who else is gonna write your eulogy?
990687;1422134262;mircea_popescu;im not fucking dead yet, am i ?!
990688;1422134273;hanbot;lol this convo...
990689;1422134288;jurov;never late to plan for the occassion, isn't it?
990690;1422134291;mircea_popescu;http://cdn.collarspace.com/photos/tn/tn_1927835p07.jpg?11152013052916 << them.
990691;1422134292;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1Boo1D5 )
990692;1422134316;hanbot;jurov i've heard of worse premises for dating services
990693;1422134339;mircea_popescu;jurov worked as a life insurance sales agent i bet!
990694;1422134355;jurov;lol i did for a while
990695;1422134361;mircea_popescu;lol
990696;1422134371;mircea_popescu;anyway, off to buy the tombstone, bbl.
990697;1422134387;jurov;hanbot rather a pickup line, maybe. "wanna write my eulogy?"
990698;1422134421;hanbot;haha totally
990699;1422135288;diametric;asciilifeform: its a manual 3 axis, though i think it would take little effort to make it a full 3 axis.
990700;1422135334;diametric;asciilifeform: in context of the wood dong guy, he could vary height with the intensity as well, but it becomes really, really apparently its lasered because the edges are always charred
990701;1422135341;diametric;not that it matters, his shit is already obviously lasered.
990702;1422135384;diametric;also, nubbins`, your dedication to this guy is amazing.
990703;1422135384;assbot;AMAZING COMPANY!
990704;1422135673;jurov;http://hashingit.com/analysis/39-the-myth-of-the-megabyte-bitcoin-block some nice graphs
990705;1422135674;assbot;The Myth Of The Megabyte Bitcoin Block ... ( http://bit.ly/1Bor0LM )
990706;1422136054;ben_vulpes;<jurov> [] hanbot rather a pickup line, maybe. "wanna write my eulogy?" << i have actually used this one
990707;1422136068;jurov;successfully?
990708;1422136074;ben_vulpes;yeah!
990709;1422136083;ben_vulpes;we were like 14? 15? derping around on livejournal.
990710;1422136087;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9417 @ 0.00048561 = 4.573 BTC [+]
990711;1422136092;davout;ben_vulpes: apple numbers is unsuited for math either, it uses floats...
990712;1422136121;ben_vulpes;davout: yeah let me tell you about the manual checks in the billing process to catch rounding errors
990713;1422136160;davout;not that rounding isn't already an error in itself
990714;1422136307;davout;"you want to do some btc related accounting? well, fuck you, the decimals after the second are a $1.99 in-app purchase"
990715;1422136757;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21900 @ 0.00048632 = 10.6504 BTC [+] {2} 
990716;1422137414;ben_vulpes;man seconds really crawl by when one's fucking with cron scripts
990717;1422138234;mthreat;even the damn catholic church had a backdoor in AES. https://mjos.fi/doc/gavekort_kale.pdf
990718;1422138235;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1D3YL4G )
990719;1422138480;ben_vulpes;salud, pete_dushenski
990720;1422138521;pete_dushenski;we meet again
990721;1422138663;ben_vulpes;have some tits: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d2RZXeQc5HU
990722;1422138664;assbot;Highway to hell - AC/DC (cover) Jess Greenberg - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1D406IO )
990723;1422138879;[]bot;Bet placed: 1 BTC for Yes on "EUR/USD Parity in 2015" http://bitbet.us/bet/1111/ Odds: 95(Y):5(N) by coin, 95(Y):5(N) by weight. Total bet: 1.3 BTC. Current weight: 99,494.
990724;1422138897;ben_vulpes;oh as if its even a question at this point
990725;1422138998;kakobrekla;bit4x gives you better odds
990726;1422139014;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 1500 @ 0.00099992 = 1.4999 BTC [+] {8} 
990727;1422139027;ben_vulpes;a pauper is i
990728;1422139035;ben_vulpes;unqualified 'till i die
990729;1422139064;kakobrekla;i should put a banner back on bb
990730;1422139189;mats;http://www.dw.de/millions-of-german-workers-in-poverty/a-18212765
990731;1422139191;assbot;Millions of German workers in poverty | News | DW.DE | 24.01.2015 ... ( http://bit.ly/1D41zyJ )
990732;1422139315;kakobrekla;9.5$, not 10.5
990733;1422140379;mats;http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=723_1421956190
990734;1422140380;assbot;LiveLeak.com - 21-01-2015 Peshmerga hitting ISIS on major Offensive to reach Mosul, Good use of MILAN ATGM  ... ( http://bit.ly/1D44Uy2 )
990735;1422140417;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14300 @ 0.0004903 = 7.0113 BTC [+] {2} 
990736;1422140835;ben_vulpes;asciilifeform: i don't know that the thing needs to cough up *any* transaction on demand.
990737;1422140848;ben_vulpes;any *block*, yes.
990738;1422140855;ben_vulpes;any *unspent output*, yes.
990739;1422140994;ben_vulpes;my reasoning being that iterating through the blocks is adequate to get complex information out of the thing, and that producing unspent outputs is adequate for "bitcoinating" - eg, producing and signing transactions.
990740;1422141250;mats;allahu snackbar
990741;1422142010;ben_vulpes;another netsplit?
990742;1422142059;mats;https://blog.conformal.com/btcsim-simulating-the-rise-of-bitcoin/
990743;1422142061;assbot;btcsim: simulating the rise of Bitcoin | Conformal Systems, LLC. ... ( http://bit.ly/1D49Pim )
990744;1422142088;ben_vulpes;anything in particular about that, mats?
990745;1422142109;mats;sim of 32MB block size
990746;1422142247;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29053 @ 0.00049077 = 14.2583 BTC [+] {2} 
990747;1422142257;ben_vulpes;"a single machine acting as a full node" << conformal has yet to answer any questions re: what the specs of this "machine" were.
990748;1422142283;mats;i was thinking that
990749;1422142288;Naphex;https://i.imgur.com/M3Crl1u.jpg lmao. they totally made it look like a vagina ;o
990750;1422142290;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1D4aBMm )
990751;1422142332;ben_vulpes;when i made furniture, we went out of our way to put cunts into the woodworking.
990752;1422142342;mats;a man sees what he wants to see
990753;1422142405;kakobrekla;looks empty to me
990754;1422142413;ben_vulpes;kakobrekla gets it
990755;1422142452;mats;https://twitter.com/SayfBattar/status/559073635898761218/photo/1
990756;1422142453;assbot;Cubs in the Islamic State, the generation that will conquer Rome in shā Allah http://t.co/DpkdwrsdmE
990757;1422142474;mats;should get em some boots or something. c'mon.
990758;1422142475;kakobrekla;wut, leave sha alone pls
990759;1422142490;mats;cheapo bureaucrats.
990760;1422142496;ben_vulpes;http://globalguerrillas.typepad.com/globalguerrillas/2015/01/the-wahhabi-wet-dream.html << related
990761;1422142498;assbot;Saudi Arabia's Kryptonite - Global Guerrillas ... ( http://bit.ly/1D4bep7 )
990762;1422142537;kakobrekla;>PS: If the #ISIS jihad can...
990763;1422142543;kakobrekla;hashtag isis ?
990764;1422142546;kakobrekla;twitter?
990765;1422142551;kakobrekla;irc chan ?
990766;1422142560;ben_vulpes;derpy guy?
990767;1422142561;ben_vulpes;dunno
990768;1422142578;Naphex;<+mats> a man sees what he wants to see
990769;1422142587;Naphex;i'm not denying anything
990770;1422142626;mats;p sure he's referring to the twitter isis brigade.
990771;1422142665;ben_vulpes;not the best english, but what american knows how to write well anyways?
990772;1422142705;mats;http://marc.info/?l=openssl-announce&m=142194517308956&w=2
990773;1422142707;assbot;'[openssl-announce] OpenSSL version 1.0.2 released' - MARC ... ( http://bit.ly/1D4bQLm )
990774;1422144987;mircea_popescu;first!
990775;1422145019;kakobrekla;lemme edit that up
990776;1422145056;mircea_popescu;scam
990777;1422145084;kakobrekla;lemme edit that up
990778;1422145179;mircea_popescu;davout: "you want to do some btc related accounting? well, fuck you, the decimals after the second are a $1.99 in-app purchase" << seriously ? like a power chord that's not six inches long ?
990779;1422145251;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: i don't know that the thing needs to cough up *any* transaction on demand. << one can make his own emacs scripts do whatever one wants. notthe job of emacs to provide a preloaded button for arbitrary tasks.
990780;1422145302;*;ben_vulpes frowns
990781;1422145307;ben_vulpes;are you agreeing or what?
990782;1422145361;jurov;ben_vulpes: what is meant by "cough up transaction"?
990783;1422145373;ben_vulpes;./bitcoind getrawtransaction TXID
990784;1422145382;ben_vulpes;-> LOTSAH3X
990785;1422145418;mircea_popescu;"a CPU profile of the time spent processing a 32 MB block by a full node is dominated by ECDSA signature verification, meaning that with the current infrastructure and computer hardware, scaling above 300 tps would require a clustered full node where ECDSA signature checking is load balanced across multiple machines."
990786;1422145432;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes i am agreeing yes
990787;1422145510;jurov;well, but if you attach a wallet to the node, it will need to crawl whole blockchain to get its transactions?
990788;1422145523;mircea_popescu;yes.
990789;1422145531;jurov;some means to get individual txs is needed
990790;1422145553;mircea_popescu;whoever needs this provides this.
990791;1422145574;ben_vulpes;if the node were to maintain the list of unspent transaction outputs, it would also have a list of the TXID's with unspent outputs.
990792;1422145642;ben_vulpes;it's a much more tractable problem to find transactions relevant to a given address out of that list than it is to walk the blockchain for same.
990793;1422145667;ben_vulpes;correct me if i'm wrong, but address balance is the sum of unspent transactions to that public key.
990794;1422145681;mircea_popescu;Cubs in the Islamic State, the generation that will conquer Rome in shā Allah  << boys are wearing the stupid face veil thing too now ?!
990795;1422145681;jurov;but you propose to maintain only unspent ones? or none at all?
990796;1422145687;mircea_popescu;those cubs look like women.
990797;1422145712;ben_vulpes;i think that maintaining the utxo list is a good idea.
990798;1422145747;ben_vulpes;with the utxo list in hand, a node could create a raw transaction for signing by an offline node.
990799;1422145765;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes it's a bad idea.
990800;1422145776;ben_vulpes;and why?
990801;1422145777;mircea_popescu;it's not unlike the "idea" to maintain a list of the phone numbers of the entire planet.
990802;1422145782;mircea_popescu;who knows, maybe you need to call someone ?
990803;1422145805;mircea_popescu;notwithstanding that in order to call someone, having the phone number is not a big deal. having a passing answer for "who's this ?" is.
990804;1422145833;jurov;with bitcoin you need to know your own phone numbers
990805;1422145841;mircea_popescu;if every phone had to maintain 6bn phone numbers ? that's terrabit memory on any phone ?
990806;1422145851;mircea_popescu;jurov so you maintain them.
990807;1422145871;jurov;yea, i'm asking how?
990808;1422145872;ben_vulpes;mircea_popescu: how long does a "rescan" take these days?
990809;1422145882;mircea_popescu;this is immaterial.
990810;1422145885;jurov;scouring whole blockchain every time address is added to wallet?
990811;1422145897;mircea_popescu;design is not a consideratio nof "how long does it take to bale the water out"
990812;1422145902;mircea_popescu;built it so it's not on a fucking river.
990813;1422145909;ben_vulpes;okay okay
990814;1422145928;mircea_popescu;suppose you somehow DO actually want 32mb blocks. how long does a rescan take then ?
990815;1422145934;mircea_popescu;no point in importing nonsense into the future.
990816;1422145950;ben_vulpes;so i made two claims, let's treat them seperately
990817;1422145966;ben_vulpes;a) bitcoind should not return arbitrary transactions by id
990818;1422145980;kakobrekla;every time address is added to wallet? < if this is your common practice i think you are doing something wrong
990819;1422145999;ben_vulpes;b) bitcoind *should* be able to return transactions with unspent outputs
990820;1422146031;ben_vulpes;<kakobrekla> ... something wrong << what is best practice? feedback from industry leaders would be useful here.
990821;1422146035;jurov;okay, so for one to have complete stack, run something like electrum server that maintains the tx index and connects only to our node
990822;1422146048;mircea_popescu;bitcoind should put the blocks into an accessible database. the querying of that thing is the job of the user.
990823;1422146083;jurov;yu also imply creatng useful transaction index is the job of the user
990824;1422146091;jurov;i don't have an issue w/it
990825;1422146095;jurov;just want to clarify
990826;1422146126;mircea_popescu;there's no ready way to know hat the user will want the index to be.
990827;1422146132;ben_vulpes;another claim, for your consideration
990828;1422146139;ben_vulpes;bitcoind should not maintain a wallet
990829;1422146142;mircea_popescu;trying to invent a "this is the right way" because we're the power rangers isn't the way
990830;1422146158;mircea_popescu;bitcoind-wallet should maintain a wallet.
990831;1422146171;mircea_popescu;bitcoind should broadcast verifiable txn submitted to it.
990832;1422146234;ben_vulpes;bitcoind-wallet should generate and sign transactions.
990833;1422146248;mircea_popescu;modular fucking design, so you doin't have to change the whole thing every time a part sucks [for your usecase]
990834;1422146263;mircea_popescu;like linux. i don't have to get a new version of lindows to get rid of fucking notepad
990835;1422146270;jurov;okay. but then bitcoin will not be able whether relayed transactions aren't completely bogus
990836;1422146283;jurov;if it won't have even utxo set
990837;1422146283;mircea_popescu;txn are verifiable aren't they.
990838;1422146296;kakobrekla;imho 3 parts. private key handler, bc api and a thing in between
990839;1422146309;mircea_popescu;at least yeah
990840;1422146383;kakobrekla;first runs on airgap, second on my server in dc and third on my desktop
990841;1422146426;jurov;so, it will allow me to relay 1000 doublespend transactions with different destination addresses, because it can't check if the source isn't spent already?
990842;1422146441;ben_vulpes;<mircea_popescu> txn are verifiable aren't they. << not really. transaction only includes txid of previous transaction which itself has the pubkey required for validation.
990843;1422146460;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes so then how "not really" ?
990844;1422146471;ben_vulpes;do you want me to say "not at all"?
990845;1422146485;mircea_popescu;<mircea_popescu> bitcoind should broadcast verifiable txn submitted to it. <<
990846;1422146524;jurov;and to do it you need to find all the inputs, if i understand ben_vulpes correctly
990847;1422146529;ben_vulpes;like i'm 5, please.
990848;1422146545;ben_vulpes;to verify a new transaction, one needs the previous transaction in hand, in entirety.
990849;1422146557;jurov;^all of them
990850;1422146583;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes once a transaction is proposed, the software has two options. 1) "oh , this looks like a tx involving inputs i remember were valid" and 2) "these are the inputs. check. these are their sources. check. these are their sources. check. this is the coinbase. check. ok."
990851;1422146585;mircea_popescu;1 is wrong.
990852;1422146601;mircea_popescu;and i don't give a shit how convenient it is. let userland cut down the correct implementation for the sake of convenience.
990853;1422146638;mircea_popescu;if you check you check. if you don't check, then don't check.
990854;1422146651;jurov;mircea_popescu: but it also means it will relay all shit imaginable, you regard it as convenience otherwise?
990855;1422146662;mircea_popescu;i don';t see how it will.
990856;1422146684;jurov;how else you want to check relayed transactions from other nodes?
990857;1422146704;mircea_popescu;by looking at their inputs, an the inputs for those inputs, all the way to the valid coinbases involved.
990858;1422146724;ben_vulpes;so then the thing *does* need to retrieve arbitrary transactions.
990859;1422146728;jurov;but you sid it should not know anything about he inputs
990860;1422146735;ben_vulpes;from *its* blockchain (database).
990861;1422146737;jurov;you said it's the user's job to
990862;1422146755;*;mircea_popescu doesn't understand why this is contentious and will re-read.
990863;1422146834;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes it needs to retrieve arbitrary blocks. why txn specifically ?
990864;1422146869;mircea_popescu;you can't have a valid txn in an otherwise invalid block.
990865;1422146950;mircea_popescu;maybe these other words work better : "transactions" is a useful notion when adding data to blocks. it is in no way useful, or even existent, when verifying anything. all you can verify, both the most and the least you can verify, are BLOCKS.
990866;1422146960;mircea_popescu;there's no such thing as "a valid transaction". merely, a valid block.
990867;1422146978;ben_vulpes;i guess this implies maintaining an index of txn hashes -> block hashes for lookup and validity checking
990868;1422146988;mircea_popescu;you can, for the sake of being silly, talk of "transactions included in valud blocks" but it really doens';t mean anythinmg. a block is a block.
990869;1422147002;mircea_popescu;you can't have "half a block"
990870;1422147067;jurov;https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Protocol_rules#.22tx.22_messages
990871;1422147070;assbot;Protocol rules - Bitcoin ... ( http://bit.ly/1tbWAMc )
990872;1422147073;jurov;step 16
990873;1422147094;mircea_popescu;jurov i thought we were discussing bitcoin as a spec, rather than bitcoin as a hack.
990874;1422147095;jurov;having whole block wont help you, you need the utxo public key
990875;1422147109;mircea_popescu;jurov once it's in a block ? for why ?
990876;1422147131;ben_vulpes;jurov: a transaction in a block contains the public key iirc
990877;1422147131;jurov;how else you 'll be cerain it's the same utxo that baked in the block?
990878;1422147142;mircea_popescu;jurov how do you care ?
990879;1422147148;mircea_popescu;im not understanding something here.
990880;1422147169;jurov;that's what i'm asking, if you don't care it won't check relayed transactions?
990881;1422147176;mircea_popescu;ugh.
990882;1422147182;jurov;for all manners of  double spends?
990883;1422147188;mircea_popescu;let me model this for a moment.
990884;1422147197;mircea_popescu;so block 1 is mined, 50 btc > 1block1coinbase
990885;1422147218;mircea_popescu;in block 2, a tx takes 20 btc from 1block1coinbase to 1testaddress1 ; 50 btc > 1block2coinbase
990886;1422147241;mircea_popescu;we see in block 3 a tx that proposes to take 10 btc from 1testaddress1 to 1 testaddress2. you propose we can't verify what ?
990887;1422147287;jurov;if it's laready mined, then someone else verified it
990888;1422147299;jurov;but i'm talking about 0conf transactions
990889;1422147300;mircea_popescu;exaclt.y
990890;1422147311;mircea_popescu;well the block 3 tx i named as "proposed" is a 0 conf.
990891;1422147348;mircea_popescu;so you see this 0 conf tx that's being proposed references an input in block 2. which you have and you verify and that's that.
990892;1422147365;jurov;you need to find and extract the specific inputs used and check the public keys
990893;1422147417;jurov;and if you don't have tx index, that means getting whole blocks
990894;1422147425;jurov;to get these keys
990895;1422147432;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17950 @ 0.00049152 = 8.8228 BTC [+]
990896;1422147448;mircea_popescu;...
990897;1422147457;mircea_popescu;i feel like i just spoke into a bag over here.
990898;1422147488;mircea_popescu;if you know that block 2 is verified, and you know that 1testadress1 is the 1testaddress1, what more do you need to check ?
990899;1422147500;jurov;because addresses aren't the atomic units
990900;1422147510;ben_vulpes;if i can interrupt, i'm coming at this problem from an entirely different angle.
990901;1422147512;mircea_popescu;thy aren't ?
990902;1422147515;jurov;you can send 10 times something to an address
990903;1422147521;jurov;thwen wehn you want to spend it
990904;1422147533;jurov;you must exactly name all these 10 inputs!
990905;1422147539;mircea_popescu;so ?
990906;1422147544;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes by all means.
990907;1422147553;ben_vulpes;which is the transaction creation process.
990908;1422147566;ben_vulpes;if i'm reading correctly, you propose moving transaction creation *out* of bitcoind.
990909;1422147599;mircea_popescu;bitcoind-the full node /
990910;1422147601;mircea_popescu;?
990911;1422147622;ben_vulpes;i guess a step backwards is in order first
990912;1422147623;mircea_popescu;<kakobrekla> first runs on airgap, second on my server in dc and third on my desktop << seems txn are logically created on 1.
990913;1422147637;mircea_popescu;i think of bitcoind arbitrarily as 2.
990914;1422147640;mircea_popescu;and 3 is a toolset.
990915;1422147647;mircea_popescu;perhaps this mapping is only in my head ?
990916;1422147651;ben_vulpes;you're proposing a new "wallet" that knows how to create transactions.
990917;1422147666;ben_vulpes;the bitcoind *node* doesn't give a whit about transaction creation
990918;1422147671;mircea_popescu;right
990919;1422147690;mircea_popescu;the bitcoind node keeps a db, the bitcoind wallet selects what it wants and does what it pleases.
990920;1422147718;mircea_popescu;the bitcoind node makes sure it did what it pleased within bounds, and off it goes.
990921;1422147866;jurov;mircea_popescu: pls closer describe your idea of checking the transaction. maybe there lies the problem
990922;1422147887;jurov;you singlehandedly rejected the wiki link so you know better?
990923;1422147899;mircea_popescu;jurov i dunno how to do it better than http://log.b-a.link/?date=25-01-2015#990883
990924;1422147899;assbot;Logged on 25-01-2015 00:53:08; mircea_popescu: let me model this for a moment.
990925;1422147905;mircea_popescu;perhaps ask a question ? reductio ad absurdum ?
990926;1422147945;jurov;transaction is not checked against whole coinbase or whole blocks
990927;1422147963;jurov;but against individual outputs that it spends.
990928;1422147967;jurov;with me?
990929;1422147979;jurov;they may even not yet be in block
990930;1422148000;mircea_popescu;!up phillipsjk
990931;1422148009;mircea_popescu;i don't follow. use the formalism in the model, that's why it's there.
990932;1422148028;jurov;because your model says about whole blocks and coinbases
990933;1422148032;mircea_popescu;right.
990934;1422148066;mircea_popescu;well... you can't have any btc to spend if you don;t have any btc to spend. that specifically means, a derivaiton of a coinbase, in a block.
990935;1422148087;decimation;before block 3 is published, 1testaddress2 sends to 1testaddress3 (both 0 verify)?
990936;1422148105;mircea_popescu;rejected.
990937;1422148114;jurov;but as 0conf transaction can be checked against other 0conf transactions (remmeber satoshidice?)
990938;1422148128;mircea_popescu;jurov but only once the previous is included.
990939;1422148137;mircea_popescu;you can't have the 3rd higher in the tree than the 2nd
990940;1422148149;jurov;no
990941;1422148154;kakobrekla;seems txn are logically created on 1. < afaik you can do it on 3 and just sign on 1
990942;1422148169;jurov;they can be all included at once (but not in reverse order)
990943;1422148176;mircea_popescu;kakobrekla hence 3 = tools.
990944;1422148186;kakobrekla;yes
990945;1422148187;mircea_popescu;they can "prepare" your tx, but for my formalism, it ios "created" once 1.
990946;1422148189;mircea_popescu;semantics i guess.
990947;1422148261;mircea_popescu;jurov so basdically you're talking of a degenerate case of my model, which sure, as a convenience can be implemented by my model as well.
990948;1422148278;mircea_popescu;"oh look, 3 is based on 2 which we just approved, include it too"
990949;1422148310;jurov;no i'm trying to explain transactions maintain their identity in blocks
990950;1422148325;mircea_popescu;they do not. transactions once included are no longer a thing.
990951;1422148334;decimation;so to be clear - before block 3 is verified, 1testaddress1 sends 20 btc to 1testaddress2, and 1testaddress2 sends 20 btc to 1testaddress3?  Is that the issue?
990952;1422148337;mircea_popescu;they are only a thing while in mempool. but once they're in the block, they melt away.
990953;1422148342;jurov;you seem to imagine they got poured into the blocks as scraps of gold into a solid brick
990954;1422148351;mircea_popescu;this is nothing but the actual case.
990955;1422148352;jurov;it's not the case
990956;1422148365;mircea_popescu;again : all you can verify, both the most and the least you can verify, are BLOCKS.
990957;1422148375;jurov;because any new transaction explicitly names each idividual scrap
990958;1422148384;mircea_popescu;there's no such thing as "veryinfing a transaction that was already included"
990959;1422148389;mircea_popescu;that's irrelevant.
990960;1422148389;jurov;so to verify if you mus pull the scraps out
990961;1422148403;jurov;i'm about new ones
990962;1422148407;mircea_popescu;just because that's what you do now doesn't imply it's what you must do.
990963;1422148436;mircea_popescu;currently proposed transactions are verified on the basis of historically accepted blocks, not on tyhe basis of historically accepted transactions.
990964;1422148442;ben_vulpes;all that must be done is check that a tx input comes from a previous block.
990965;1422148455;ben_vulpes;s/./?
990966;1422148465;mircea_popescu;no.
990967;1422148466;jurov;can it be done without doing the individual signatures?
990968;1422148494;ben_vulpes;ah ah but check that a transaction is in a block
990969;1422148500;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes all that needs to be done is verify that a tx input matches a previously included output, and that the block was valid.
990970;1422148518;ben_vulpes;got it
990971;1422148527;mircea_popescu;so it builds on itself
990972;1422148542;jurov;for that you want to have the outputs indexed somewhere
990973;1422148546;mircea_popescu;this "transactions bloodline" bs is a fetter.
990974;1422148563;mircea_popescu;jurov not more than in the sense of knowing which blocks they were in
990975;1422148586;jurov;okay, then we're on the same page
990976;1422148613;mircea_popescu;i think we mgiht be. will have to re-re-read this sometime that's not saturday night in between cabaret and strip club.
990977;1422148616;ben_vulpes;great
990978;1422148626;decimation;so, if one 'submits' a chain of 1000 transactions, attached to only one tx output, one can imagine that they might not verify all in the same block, depending on the mempool logic
990979;1422148646;kakobrekla;if transaction bloodline is bs, why are we against bc shelling/pruning
990980;1422148666;mircea_popescu;kakobrekla because they want to do it stupidly.
990981;1422148683;mircea_popescu;note that the way proposed above allows one to still verify the whole damned chain from block 1 onwards.
990982;1422148730;mircea_popescu;in general, we';re not against anything power rangers CLAIM to want to do. it's just that a) thjey never actually do it and b) always break other things 'attempting'
990983;1422148736;mircea_popescu;and then even more things "fixing" the "attempt"
990984;1422148843;ben_vulpes;new topic!
990985;1422148850;ben_vulpes;do bitcoind-node and bitcoind-wallet share a db?
990986;1422148860;ben_vulpes;s/do/should
990987;1422148878;mircea_popescu;kakobrekla let me put it another way : the miner output of a block is actually defined by the code as "everything left over once you substract the sum output from the sum input"
990988;1422148925;mircea_popescu;if this isn't proof that a transaction once included loses its identity i have no idea what would.
990989;1422148954;jurov;if you need to keep track in which block it is, then it does have identity
990990;1422148975;jurov;ofc when it is fully spend, then you won't have to do anymore
990991;1422148992;jurov;*spent
990992;1422148992;mircea_popescu;jurov afaik you can only "fully spend" inputs.
990993;1422149009;mircea_popescu;there's a degenerate case where you gift it to miners, but otherwise...
990994;1422149016;mircea_popescu;once you sign out of an output, it's out.
990995;1422149054;jurov;we're going in circles
990996;1422149069;jurov;leave it to later
990997;1422149074;jurov;goodnight
990998;1422149116;mircea_popescu;yeah srsly.
990999;1422149179;jurov;maybe last try: let's have deposits to mpex sprinkled in various blocks, they are unspent outputs
991000;1422149211;jurov;now you do withdrawal, you need to gather and sign all of them despite it's the same 1Fx address
991001;1422149218;jurov;that's fine, that's up to wallet
991002;1422149220;jurov;BUT
991003;1422149240;jurov;everyone who wants to check the withdraawal is valid, needs to gether them all too
991004;1422149247;jurov;to check the signatures
991005;1422149261;ben_vulpes;how are miners doing it?
991006;1422149272;jurov;they check as above
991007;1422149283;ben_vulpes;so they actually troll through the whole blockchain
991008;1422149299;mircea_popescu;jurov let's take the following case : on march 15th, 1jurovaddress gets 1 btc. on march 20th, 1jurovaddress gets 1 btc.
991009;1422149302;jurov;yes, hence the various horrible database turds
991010;1422149313;mircea_popescu;then on 25th march, 1jurovaddress pays 1 btc.
991011;1422149327;mircea_popescu;now, which btc is spent through this process is not established by you.
991012;1422149330;ben_vulpes;!up buttonwood_
991013;1422149331;mircea_popescu;but by miners.
991014;1422149341;jurov;nope
991015;1422149348;mircea_popescu;all you establish is you have 1 btc left
991016;1422149352;jurov;nope
991017;1422149356;mircea_popescu;otherwise, they sort and spend the 15th btc.
991018;1422149374;jurov;nope
991019;1422149379;mircea_popescu;<mircea_popescu> jurov i thought we were discussing bitcoin as a spec, rather than bitcoin as a hack. <<
991020;1422149387;mircea_popescu;srsly, what are we doing here!
991021;1422149409;ben_vulpes;i'm talking about the reference implementation.
991022;1422149418;ben_vulpes;what miners do is...unknowable?
991023;1422149426;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes is this "bitcoin as it should be" or "bitcoin as it is to be inferred from current codebase"
991024;1422149431;jurov;well mircea, then make a spec. many people unsuccessfully tried various mixing proposals that were supposed to do what you propose
991025;1422149446;jurov;maybe monero has it, dunno
991026;1422149458;jurov;but it hasnt' anything with bitcoin then
991027;1422149458;mircea_popescu;honestly i thought this is what the topic was.
991028;1422149463;ben_vulpes;but you're saying that if i cook up a transaction that has 1march29th as an input, the miners should actually rewrite that to use 1march15th as an input?
991029;1422149469;ben_vulpes;how is my signature even valid in that scenario?
991030;1422149487;ben_vulpes;perhaps i don't understand what all gets signed. more than likely.
991031;1422149493;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes nah. im just saying, if it's ambiguous, then it's ambiguous.
991032;1422149505;jurov;it was never ambiguous
991033;1422149528;jurov;nor there was successful attempt to make it so so far
991034;1422149528;mircea_popescu;<mircea_popescu> once you sign out of an output, it's out. < o.O
991035;1422149529;ben_vulpes;if i want to spend my low-priority outputs, that's my problem.
991036;1422149561;mircea_popescu;jurov weren't you proposing that *somehow* there's ambiguous outputs as the entire point of what you were saying ?
991037;1422149569;ben_vulpes;much like if you want a > 1m transaction that's your problem
991038;1422149586;jurov;mircea where?
991039;1422149605;mircea_popescu;<jurov> now you do withdrawal, you need to gather and sign all of them despite it's the same 1Fx address << it's whjat i took this to introduce.
991040;1422149617;mircea_popescu;no srsly, we will have to revisit this topic later.
991041;1422149669;jurov;it's not ambigouous, *you*, means your wallet picks up individual deposits
991042;1422149678;jurov;makes a withdrawal out of them
991043;1422149689;jurov;and no miner ever has a say in which ones
991044;1422149743;mircea_popescu;but if they are different outputs, included in variuous blocks... they're verifiable by those blocks... ?
991045;1422149748;mircea_popescu;mebbe i dun understand what the problem is.
991046;1422149758;jurov;no, they're verifiable by themselves
991047;1422149767;jurov;regardless if they are in blocks
991048;1422149774;mircea_popescu;1 btc from block 5, 1.5 btc also from block 5, 2 btc from block 6 -> 4.5 btc to 1derp
991049;1422149824;jurov;^yes now that transaction would list both inputs from block 5
991050;1422149833;mircea_popescu;right, different outputs for that matter.
991051;1422149848;mircea_popescu;but the reason you know they're valid outputs is that block 5 is a valid block.
991052;1422149864;mircea_popescu;the reason ytou know block 5 is a valid block IS that they were valid outputs, or was at the time, but this is a separate topic.
991053;1422149868;jurov;"valid" and "confirmed" are two things
991054;1422149872;mircea_popescu;see ? that's the whole thing. that these two are separate.
991055;1422149873;mircea_popescu;well yes!
991056;1422149899;jurov;you can have valid unconfirmed transactions, even valid tx that spend unconfirmed transactions
991057;1422149909;mircea_popescu;sure.
991058;1422149915;mircea_popescu;but once in a block, all you can have is a confirmed block.
991059;1422149932;jurov;check that is it valid is done by checking all the inputs' singatures
991060;1422149939;mircea_popescu;you can't have "these are the valid and these are the invalid txn of block 6"
991061;1422149945;jurov;check that it is verified is done by checking it's in block somewhere
991062;1422149946;mircea_popescu;that is true but also irrelevant!
991063;1422149953;mircea_popescu;right.
991064;1422149966;mircea_popescu;maybe the reason we've talked so long about this is because we're saying the same thing/
991065;1422150008;jurov;maybe. the issue was the need to track unspent outputs, regardless of
991066;1422150018;jurov;whether they are mined or not
991067;1422150053;ben_vulpes;and all of this because i asked about what should bear responsibility for creating and signing transactions.
991068;1422150096;jurov;right. and even if node doesn't create txs itself, i'm asking about verifying whatever txs flying around
991069;1422150108;jurov;*are
991070;1422150225;jurov;ok, see you later
991071;1422150550;mircea_popescu;going at it the other way, consider this discussion :
991072;1422150553;mircea_popescu;A. I own 500 btc.
991073;1422150557;mircea_popescu;B. I don't believe you.
991074;1422150581;mircea_popescu;A. Here's proof i control address X, and here's a payment of 500 btc to it *included in block Y*
991075;1422150583;mircea_popescu;B. A, ok.
991076;1422150672;mircea_popescu;what's being verified is a) control of the address in question and b) bitcoin feeding it included in a block.
991077;1422150745;mircea_popescu;and now time for me to leave you in teh company of pantsless gal. http://40.media.tumblr.com/30be7e529761c4abe5e30f096eadbe75/tumblr_nhrrym8nc71tkm6r8o1_1280.jpg
991078;1422150746;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1tc0LYs )
991079;1422151347;decimation;!up buttonwood_
991080;1422151358;decimation;buttonwood_: do you work for the economist?
991081;1422151399;buttonwood_;nope, why do you ask
991082;1422151431;decimation;there's a semi-anonymous column there by the same name?
991083;1422151443;mats;seems ddosbot has been powered down
991084;1422151641;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2744 @ 0.00049181 = 1.3495 BTC [+] {2} 
991085;1422151716;buttonwood_;I've been really interested in applying the smart contract technology to bitcoin-otc.  Are there currently any active smart contracts or oracles doing escrow trading on bitcoin irc ?
991086;1422151921;mats;its not a real thing, buttonwood_.
991087;1422151945;mats;hasn't been done, won't be done.
991088;1422151952;buttonwood_;@mats what's not?
991089;1422151957;buttonwood_;why not
991090;1422151964;mats;'smart contract technology'.
991091;1422151993;mats;because 'hard ai' doesn't exist yet.
991092;1422152025;buttonwood_;what about a multi sig oracle
991093;1422152033;mats;all extant projects purporting to be 'smart contract technology' is a scam. like ethereum.
991094;1422152056;mats;look, you can't offload the complex business of trust to anything but a human.
991095;1422152071;mats;can't be done. deal with people you trust or don't do business, full stop.
991096;1422152099;buttonwood_;but the trust can be drastically reduced
991097;1422152107;buttonwood_;multi sig is a perfect example
991098;1422152151;mats;multi sig and escrow are essentially bad patches to a broken trust model
991099;1422152190;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 64709 @ 0.00049611 = 32.1028 BTC [+] {4} 
991100;1422152197;mats;sack up and take responsibility for your actions.
991101;1422152251;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 59891 @ 0.00048544 = 29.0735 BTC [-] {4} 
991102;1422152251;mats;offloading due diligence and trying to use technology as a crutch to paper over deficiencies in your business relationship sounds suspiciously like the old world way of doing things
991103;1422152282;buttonwood_;There has to be a better way to do otc trades tho. I can't believe that trusting somebody on bitcoin-otc with a good rating is the optimal solution
991104;1422152470;mats;use the ratings and talk to the raters
991105;1422152487;buttonwood_;@mats do you work on any bitcoin related projects currently?
991106;1422152505;mats;nope
991107;1422152560;ben_vulpes;<mats> use the ratings and talk to the raters << this. again and again, this.
991108;1422152576;ben_vulpes;buttonwood_: you can't trust people that you don't trust. end of story.
991109;1422152582;ben_vulpes;trust is built over time, and can't be abstracted out.
991110;1422152593;ben_vulpes;!gettrust assbot buttonwood_
991111;1422152593;assbot;buttonwood_ is not registered in WoT.
991112;1422152598;ben_vulpes;;;gettrust buttonwood_
991113;1422152598;gribble;WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user ben_vulpes to user buttonwood_: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=ben_vulpes&dest=buttonwood_ | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=buttonwood_ | Rated since: never
991114;1422152628;ben_vulpes;you're clearly in a good position to be talking about how business should be done around here.
991115;1422152634;mats;man, this sicilian lentil soup is fucking amazing
991116;1422152634;assbot;AMAZING COMPANY!
991117;1422152653;ben_vulpes;;;echo /msg assbot amazing
991118;1422152653;assbot;AMAZING COMPANY!
991119;1422152653;gribble;/msg assbot amazing
991120;1422152653;assbot;AMAZING COMPANY!
991121;1422152672;ben_vulpes;;;echo /msg ben_vulpes hello
991122;1422152672;gribble;/msg ben_vulpes hello
991123;1422152675;ben_vulpes;boo
991124;1422152685;*;ben_vulpes is an incompetent hacker
991125;1422152708;mats;21:15:50 <+mats> multi sig and escrow are essentially bad patches to a broken trust model << in the way you mean to use it, that is
991126;1422153012;buttonwood_;for example, futures and options are largely inexistent in bitcoin. Mainly because of the trust involved if you were to sell me an option. If we used an oracle to do multi sig escrow or step in when there's a dispute the oracle could ensure both sides make good on the contract
991127;1422153034;ben_vulpes;there was an options exchange for a while, buttonwood_.
991128;1422153154;buttonwood_;which one MPOE?
991129;1422153199;ben_vulpes;that'd be the one, yeah.
991130;1422153202;ben_vulpes;!up buttonwood_
991131;1422153235;buttonwood_;thx
991132;1422153296;ben_vulpes;anyways, there was one. are you aware of why it shut down?
991133;1422153474;ben_vulpes;https://twitter.com/_youhadonejob/status/559174647309021187 << this town
991134;1422153476;assbot;Let's hope no one got hit. http://t.co/3tfuQiAbAv
991135;1422153489;ben_vulpes;anyways, buttonwood_ are you still interested in working this thread?
991136;1422153529;Pierre_Rochard;buttonwood_ Mainly because of the trust involved if you were to sell me an option. < I’d say it’s mainly because the volatility and discount rate are going to be completely out of whack until fiat is destroyed
991137;1422153592;buttonwood_;yes they would certainly be expensive
991138;1422153649;Pierre_Rochard;hence, “largely inexistent”
991139;1422153688;[]bot;Bet placed: 2 BTC for No on "Gold to drop under $1000 before March 2015" http://bitbet.us/bet/1101/ Odds: 16(Y):84(N) by coin, 18(Y):82(N) by weight. Total bet: 12.30387905 BTC. Current weight: 61,285.
991140;1422153710;ben_vulpes;buttonwood_: ^^ that bet right there is a good example of best-in-class contracts.
991141;1422153714;ben_vulpes;arbitrated by...humans.
991142;1422153780;Pierre_Rochard;^ exactly, the difference between a computer oracle and a human arbitrator approaches nil over time
991143;1422153913;Pierre_Rochard;;;gettrust buttonwood_
991144;1422153913;gribble;WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user Pierre_Rochard to user buttonwood_: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=Pierre_Rochard&dest=buttonwood_ | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=buttonwood_ | Rated since: never
991145;1422153976;ben_vulpes;assuming they're any good of course
991146;1422156278;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21900 @ 0.00049024 = 10.7363 BTC [+] {2} 
991147;1422157080;mats;mircea_popescu: i've observed that the number of cases meeting the parameters in the courts-circus project are very scarce: i've read every case involving the judges nubbins` listed, with the keyword privacy on Westlaw, which yielded about 90 cases
991148;1422157150;mats;mircea_popescu: but there are 11 judges with 0 cases and 12 with just 1. i'm now going through and reading every case involving USG, i've cleared ten judges this way, but the number of cases i've been able to find have been fairly low in number
991149;1422157170;mats;mircea_popescu: are you interested in loosening the requirements?
991150;1422157408;mats;i figured i'd give it a shot before proceeding, i've put at least 400 hours in already and i believe there may not be quite a lot of useful data at the end if i continue this way
991151;1422157436;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 2500 @ 0.00097526 = 2.4382 BTC [-] {4} 
991152;1422159511;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10459 @ 0.00049322 = 5.1586 BTC [+] {2} 
991153;1422159571;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6191 @ 0.00050758 = 3.1424 BTC [+]
991154;1422159693;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 2500 @ 0.00096062 = 2.4016 BTC [-] {10} 
991155;1422160952;mircea_popescu;<buttonwood_> I've been really interested in applying the smart contract technology to bitcoin-otc.  Are there currently any active smart contracts or oracles doing escrow trading on bitcoin irc ? << no. people do thje trust calculation by hand.
991156;1422160982;mircea_popescu;<mats> multi sig and escrow are essentially bad patches to a broken trust model << mats is like the oracle on the topic now!
991157;1422161011;mircea_popescu;buttonwood_> There has to be a better way to do otc trades tho. << nope. isn't, for provable reason. isn't happening in practice, either.
991158;1422161052;mircea_popescu;!up coderwill
991159;1422161135;mircea_popescu;davout http://www.reddit.com/r/Buttcoin/comments/2t7k6w/the_emperor_is_buttnaked_btc_block_size/ << apparently you got haters
991160;1422161136;assbot;The Emperor is Buttnaked (BTC block size discussion with Gavin) : Buttcoin ... ( http://bit.ly/1CpvB1r )
991161;1422161188;mircea_popescu;<mats> mircea_popescu: are you interested in loosening the requirements? << perhaps. do you see meaningful expansions ?
991162;1422161768;decimation;at the present time, it seems to me that bitcoin derivatives do not serve a real market need
991163;1422161817;mircea_popescu;well, public facing ones anyway.
991164;1422161840;decimation;yeah.  the public can make bitbets; that's probably mostly what they want anyway
991165;1422163309;mats;mats is like the oracle on the topic now! << not sure if you're criticizing what i said there
991166;1422163354;mats;perhaps. do you see meaningful expansions ? << how about the production of communications to include voice, where there is a written record of it? e.g. transcript of wiretap log
991167;1422163373;mats;i was hoping you'd have a better idea tbh.
991168;1422165061;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4257 @ 0.00050758 = 2.1608 BTC [+]
991169;1422165757;asciilifeform;!up Alina-malina
991170;1422166438;diametric;http://vimeo.com/74025061?1
991171;1422166439;assbot;Oculus Rift TV SPOT on Vimeo ... ( http://bit.ly/1uKvmxn )
991172;1422166452;diametric;Somehow I've never seen this before.
991173;1422166638;mircea_popescu;mats was not criticizing, was approving.
991174;1422166688;mircea_popescu; how about the production of communications to include voice << im not sure right off what that'd do.
991175;1422167013;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7268 @ 0.00050758 = 3.6891 BTC [+]
991176;1422167130;asciilifeform;all you can verify, both the most and the least you can verify, are BLOCKS. << yes.
991177;1422167149;asciilifeform;now is the time for folks who have not actually bothered to read the fscking source, to confess.
991178;1422167164;asciilifeform;srsly it's finitely long. just do it.
991179;1422167224;asciilifeform;you might need a decade to find all the weird, quasi-exploitable hair, but to get a basic understanding of how the thing works - is another matter. very doable.
991180;1422167273;asciilifeform;exhortation, from now on, abbreviated for convenience, 'RTFT' (read the fucking turd.)
991181;1422167311;mircea_popescu;http://www.dogeillionaires.com << who did this one ?!
991182;1422167312;assbot;Why Dogecoin is a scam, why the people pushing it are assholes, why Business Insider is a contemptible piece of shit, why anyone who ever worked for it will be dancing in the street for nickels and why Kevin Rose is a fuckwit. Plus other considerations. pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.  ... ( http://bit.ly/1uKxtRQ )
991183;1422167347;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform i didn't actually.
991184;1422167375;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: http://trilema.com/2014/the-conference-third-edition/#comment-111701 << 'confirmed' << i ponied up on 12/31, where's the 'confirmed'
991185;1422167375;assbot;The conference, third edition pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.  ... ( http://bit.ly/1uKxzJ3 )
991186;1422167378;mircea_popescu;i suppose it is a testament to my scholarship that i can actually get away with outsourcing the actual readsing ?
991187;1422167396;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform you're in teh list arentcha ? he asked me specifically to confirm. you're also confirmed!
991188;1422167403;asciilifeform;aha, did not check
991189;1422167405;*;asciilifeform lazy
991190;1422167422;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: i sorta assumed that you either read it, or had it read to you, or wrote compatible gadget
991191;1422167442;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: because you showed symptoms of understanding correctly how it works
991192;1422167446;mircea_popescu;nah, just, i know what qs to ask of people. "go read it and i'll ask you things"
991193;1422167469;ben_vulpes;amusingly, i was confirmed without paying.
991194;1422167493;mircea_popescu;i was also lazy.
991195;1422167494;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes guest speaker ?
991196;1422167495;asciilifeform;lol
991197;1422167509;ben_vulpes;almos
991198;1422167511;ben_vulpes;almost*
991199;1422167522;mircea_popescu;nah, ben_vulpes only scammed participant. neglected to send 2.x ended up sending 8.x
991200;1422167523;ben_vulpes;too bad i'm too bad of a scammer to pull it off
991201;1422167524;mircea_popescu;tru story.
991202;1422167533;ben_vulpes;worst story.
991203;1422167537;ben_vulpes;hatchu.
991204;1422167579;ben_vulpes;for the record, attendance declarations are only binding on those who wish to attend, not his unimpeachable lordship mircea_popescu
991205;1422167600;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: lol i sorta assume he'll be there.
991206;1422167617;mircea_popescu;wouldn't that be the pirate of all time
991207;1422167628;ben_vulpes;asciilifeform: i refer of course to the quoted price of attendance.
991208;1422167670;ben_vulpes;re dogillionaires, that was fluffypony
991209;1422167672;ben_vulpes;!s bitcoinate
991210;1422167673;assbot;23445 results for 'bitcoinate' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=bitcoinate
991211;1422167688;ben_vulpes;mthreat this is almost worse than useless
991212;1422167718;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: i have been repeating, like mantra, 'stemming search must die'
991213;1422167723;asciilifeform;because it must.
991214;1422167754;asciilifeform;it simply needs to get off the planet. it is an instrument of muppetry, plain and simple.
991215;1422167768;ben_vulpes;on a previous topic, eg bitcoinating
991216;1422167771;asciilifeform;does 'grep' include stemming? nein.
991217;1422167775;ben_vulpes;here's a proposed list
991218;1422167777;mircea_popescu;a kk
991219;1422167784;ben_vulpes;- download and validate blocks
991220;1422167793;ben_vulpes;translate block height to block hash
991221;1422167799;ben_vulpes;- translate block height to block hash
991222;1422167810;ben_vulpes;- return the height of the current best-known chain
991223;1422167817;ben_vulpes;- return a block corresponding to a given hash
991224;1422167828;ben_vulpes;- relay transactions to the network
991225;1422167837;ben_vulpes;(fin)
991226;1422167854;asciilifeform;seems like it all sits inside 'validate blocks', no ?
991227;1422167872;asciilifeform;so the postulates aren't orthogonal.
991228;1422167883;ben_vulpes;true enough
991229;1422167892;ben_vulpes;but there are subspaces, if you'll allow the floppiness of wording.
991230;1422167917;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform the reason, incidentally, i didn';t read it myself is i dun trust my rudimentary c understanding.
991231;1422167918;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: this is just the kind of manual which ought to live in a 'lions book' commentary on source.
991232;1422167927;mircea_popescu;best have ppl that spoeak the language tlel you what the paper says.
991233;1422167929;ben_vulpes;f'r instance, the thing should cough up on the command line, a block if given a hash
991234;1422168002;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: it's actually heavily idiomatic cpp. with extensive use of 'high level construct' libs like 'boost' ('iterate', various data structure diddles, etc.)
991235;1422168012;mircea_popescu;aham
991236;1422168037;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: rather painful to read for anyone who is not in a daily habit of birthing similarly flavoured monstrosities
991237;1422168045;*;asciilifeform had to open a book
991238;1422168156;mircea_popescu;"let' smake c more like java on wheels"
991239;1422168158;ben_vulpes;idiomatic cpp aside, thoughts on the list?
991240;1422168171;fluffypony;mircea_popescu: how can you forget my dogeillionaires redirect!
991241;1422168173;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes 2nd step, what's it mean ?
991242;1422168186;mircea_popescu;fluffypony ;/ so many lulz, so little head
991243;1422168244;ben_vulpes;mircea_popescu: if i know that the most recent block was of height N, I can ask bitcoind-node for the hash of the block at height N
991244;1422168252;ben_vulpes;(or N-1, or N-M)
991245;1422168259;mircea_popescu;this is an ambigous request.
991246;1422168267;ben_vulpes;because of multiple chains?
991247;1422168270;mircea_popescu;"on whjich chain"
991248;1422168270;mircea_popescu;yes
991249;1422168275;ben_vulpes;hm.
991250;1422168289;ben_vulpes;ofc. central concern, this.
991251;1422168298;mircea_popescu;the notion of N must be subordinate ot the blocks only identifier, its hash
991252;1422168320;mircea_popescu;(another bit of braindamage th epower rangers forced upon the world, other than "historical transaction validity" as a thing, is "block as  aheight"
991253;1422168333;ben_vulpes;i see it.
991254;1422168338;ben_vulpes;"there is only one chain" as well.
991255;1422168344;mircea_popescu;this is nonsense of the first order, an utter antipattern, and iof they weren't stupid as frogs i'd suspect its deliberate
991256;1422168352;ben_vulpes;"antipattern" << lol
991257;1422168354;mircea_popescu;like sending you to hunt for snipes so yo ucan't be a huner)
991258;1422168355;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12800 @ 0.00051016 = 6.53 BTC [+] {2} 
991259;1422168433;mircea_popescu;think of it as "chain of pointers" and now tell me who the fuck doesn't flunk the idiot that actually keeps an enumeration array for the chain
991260;1422168449;mircea_popescu;best way to crash undebuggably ever.
991261;1422168516;ben_vulpes;then this implies a requirement that a bitcoind-node know about and be able to return data about the various chains of which it knows.
991262;1422168587;mircea_popescu;depends what are you trying to do /
991263;1422168625;ben_vulpes;spec a node, i guess.
991264;1422168638;mircea_popescu;with the list i mean.
991265;1422168754;asciilifeform;chain of pointers << tree.
991266;1422168766;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform right.
991267;1422168785;ben_vulpes;if you'll forgive the glib response, figure out what can be riven from the satoshi codebase
991268;1422168787;asciilifeform;(satoshi did not go in for book-learning, it seems, esp. re: data structures, but that doesn't mean that we have to forget school)
991269;1422168801;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes no asciilifeform put it in proper terms. it's a tree.
991270;1422168814;mircea_popescu;you can, if you wish, implement a function that returns "equibranches" on a tree.
991271;1422168819;mircea_popescu;but this is a secondary consideration.
991272;1422168905;ben_vulpes;secondary to?
991273;1422168957;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform it does, unfortunately, mean that they who did forget / never had what to forget can pass for "geniuses"
991274;1422168979;mircea_popescu;but it is what it is.
991275;1422168989;asciilifeform;wai wat
991276;1422168993;asciilifeform;the pleasures of reinvention ?
991277;1422169037;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform no, just the power ranger lot. they'd have (i optimistically assume) been excluded / self out-selected if the satoshi actually understood programming.
991278;1422169060;*;ben_vulpes is but a humble student of the trade
991279;1422169079;mircea_popescu;a codebase that's written by a monkey is more liable to attact "do-ocracy" monkeys than one written by a sane person.
991280;1422169083;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: hard to say. dead rat and dead lion get eaten by crows just the same
991281;1422169096;mircea_popescu;also true. i guess it may drop here.
991282;1422169101;asciilifeform;or...
991283;1422169108;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes secondary to whatever it is you're doing.
991284;1422169113;asciilifeform;i can picture a surface so mirror-smooth that barnacles cannot stick.
991285;1422169119;asciilifeform;but not often have seen this in life.
991286;1422169126;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform emacs, right ? :D
991287;1422169160;asciilifeform;obligatory: https://gist.github.com/pete/665971
991288;1422169162;assbot;Various implementations of the 'cat' command, for comparison. ... ( http://bit.ly/1C02pQ8 )
991289;1422169175;mircea_popescu;http://41.media.tumblr.com/ea602c535d351e849b76fe966a013294/tumblr_nbhlmf6IBJ1sb822ho1_500.jpg pic related.
991290;1422169176;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1C02qUc )
991291;1422169205;mircea_popescu; 782  22684  gnu-cat.c o.O
991292;1422169270;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11350 @ 0.00051484 = 5.8434 BTC [+]
991293;1422169325;mircea_popescu;anyway, so gnu's written in php. what's new.
991294;1422169440;mircea_popescu;static char line_buf[LINE_COUNTER_BUF_LEN] =  {    ' ', ' ', ' ', ' ', ' ', ' ', ' ', ' ', ' ',    ' ', ' ', ' ', ' ', ' ', ' ', ' ', ' ', '0',    '\t', '\0'  };
991295;1422169443;mircea_popescu;ok i've seen enough
991296;1422169457;mircea_popescu;   unless the number of lines is larger than 999999.  */
991297;1422169481;ben_vulpes;my eyes :(
991298;1422169531;*;asciilifeform linked this for a reason.
991299;1422169548;*;mircea_popescu is brb, making 999999 line files.
991300;1422169552;nubbins`;https://i.imgur.com/FYSrEMp.jpg
991301;1422169553;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1C03zuW )
991302;1422169559;nubbins`;found it
991303;1422169568;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: go straight for MAXINT.
991304;1422169578;mircea_popescu;nubbins` i can tell by some of the pixels.
991305;1422169615;mircea_popescu;http://40.media.tumblr.com/884ac86273060b7f8a5acbd3df900483/tumblr_nh3ii8btd11sb822ho1_500.jpg <<< HANDCARVED
991306;1422169644;nubbins`;heh
991307;1422169682;ben_vulpes;i discovered recently that "baby" carrots aren't so much "lathed" as they are knocked around in a conical abrasive vessel
991308;1422169686;ben_vulpes;thestringpuller: you flappin
991309;1422169856;mircea_popescu;http://trilema.com/2014/the-conference-third-edition/#comment-111706 << ne1 know this guy ?
991310;1422169856;assbot;The conference, third edition pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.  ... ( http://bit.ly/1C04wU3 )
991311;1422169956;ben_vulpes;mircea_popescu: http://www.saucal.com/
991312;1422169957;assbot;Web Design, Development and Inbound Marketing in Calgary | Saucal ... ( http://bit.ly/1C04Phv )
991313;1422169964;mircea_popescu;ok... ?
991314;1422169979;*;ben_vulpes shrugs
991315;1422169988;ben_vulpes;'tis all i got
991316;1422169999;ben_vulpes;perhaps a lonely registered participant?
991317;1422170000;nubbins`;http://hyperfool.com/ufcknubbins.mp4
991318;1422170005;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9250 @ 0.00051512 = 4.7649 BTC [+] {2} 
991319;1422170188;mircea_popescu;so what's going to be your next victim, nubbins` ?
991320;1422170289;nubbins`;a bowl of cereal
991321;1422170325;fluffypony;lol
991322;1422170327;mod6;maybe it's this guy: http://www.wired.com/2013/10/robocoin_here/
991323;1422170329;assbot;World's First Bitcoin ATM Arrives at Coffee Shop, Goes Live Tomorrow | WIRED ... ( http://bit.ly/1C05G1Y )
991324;1422170380;mod6;oh nm.
991325;1422170397;mircea_popescu;the fucking headlines these people are doing
991326;1422170406;fluffypony;Nubbins`: you should launch FNC, FuckNubbinsCoin
991327;1422170410;mircea_popescu;winchel would chisel them into little egg supports.
991328;1422170411;fluffypony;You already have a logo
991329;1422170412;mod6;well then theres this: https://ca.linkedin.com/in/mitchelldemeter
991330;1422170414;assbot;Mitchell Demeter | LinkedIn ... ( http://bit.ly/1C05Xls )
991331;1422170425;nubbins`;fluffypony i lel'd heartily at the video
991332;1422170426;mircea_popescu;yeah nubbins` print it on a square piece of cloth
991333;1422170431;mircea_popescu;"artisan"
991334;1422170433;nubbins`;big reveal at the start: lasered art in wood
991335;1422170441;mod6;Cointrader exchange, etc?  *shrug*
991336;1422170448;nubbins`;then he fucks with it with his dremel w/ the sandpaper attachment (??)
991337;1422170466;nubbins`;sprays water on it at one point
991338;1422170472;ben_vulpes;https://www.linkedin.com/in/mitchellcallahan << mod6 i found this one
991339;1422170473;assbot;Mitchell Callahan | LinkedIn ... ( http://bit.ly/1C068Nx )
991340;1422170473;nubbins`;y'know, like you do with wood
991341;1422170492;fluffypony;Only watermelon ivory
991342;1422170521;ben_vulpes;ah, he's a Joseph David stoolie
991343;1422170540;ben_vulpes;how was the strip club, hanbot?
991344;1422170543;mircea_popescu;joseph david ?!
991345;1422170548;ben_vulpes;David Joseph?
991346;1422170552;ben_vulpes;CaVirtEx
991347;1422170563;ben_vulpes;the one who did a runner with a Havelock "raise"
991348;1422170571;ben_vulpes;heh. "one".
991349;1422170627;mircea_popescu;lol
991350;1422170635;mircea_popescu;wait. wasn't that kumala that did the vtx thing ?
991351;1422170659;ben_vulpes;oh is there a CaVirtEx and VirtEx?
991352;1422170673;mircea_popescu;yes.
991353;1422170677;ben_vulpes;nm
991354;1422170721;ben_vulpes;ah it's the whole gang
991355;1422170726;mod6;ben_vulpes: oh my bad. my eyes are bleary.
991356;1422170738;ben_vulpes;mod6: my contacts are gumming up too :)
991357;1422170807;mircea_popescu;CAVirtex, Canada�s largest and oldest Bitcoin online exchange, is facing a potential class action lawsuit to the tune of $884,880 CAD. The alleged losses were incurred by the lawsuit-bringers after the company offered 10% of its shares for sale on the cryptocurrency-based asset exchange, Havelock Investments then stopped listing the stock by the end of 2013.
991358;1422170815;mircea_popescu;apparently it is... both
991359;1422170816;mircea_popescu;o.o
991360;1422170834;ben_vulpes;wait, cavirtex is virtex?
991361;1422170840;ben_vulpes;was i right for once?
991362;1422170845;ben_vulpes;lol will wonders never cease
991363;1422170849;pete_dushenski;pretty sure ya
991364;1422170849;mircea_popescu;no. they're different, however,
991365;1422170852;mircea_popescu;they both scammed.
991366;1422170854;pete_dushenski;lol oh
991367;1422170871;fluffypony;Different scams
991368;1422170871;pete_dushenski;mircea_popescu: i've met mitch callahan a couple times irl
991369;1422170875;mircea_popescu;these guys "delisted" at a 25% buyback that they didn't really honor
991370;1422170889;fluffypony;Also not to be confused with Virturex
991371;1422170915;mircea_popescu;http://trilema.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/11/print-page-cryptostocks-vircurex-vcx-going-public.htm << i was thinking of vircurex tho
991372;1422170916;assbot;Print Page - [CRYPTOSTOCKS] Vircurex [VCX] - Going public ... ( http://bit.ly/1C07kR7 )
991373;1422170924;mircea_popescu;fluffypony right
991374;1422170962;mircea_popescu;what do we do once they simply start repeating names ?
991375;1422170969;pete_dushenski;2.0!
991376;1422170973;ben_vulpes;can we stop caring about scams yet?
991377;1422170978;mircea_popescu;BFL the "Exchange" , pirate the asic manufacturer, woodcutter the ponzi scheme...
991378;1422170986;pete_dushenski;ben_vulpes: almost
991379;1422170986;ben_vulpes;srsly, woodchopper?
991380;1422170991;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes only if you're willing to cut noobs entirely loose
991381;1422171010;ben_vulpes;they're already cut loose. can't get into b-a
991382;1422171020;ben_vulpes;no crusading valkyrie
991383;1422171038;pete_dushenski;mircea_popescu: anything in particular you'd like to know about your interested participant for the conference?
991384;1422171049;mircea_popescu;i thought nubbins was contemplating a genderbendin' surgical intervention.
991385;1422171061;ben_vulpes;only counts if it comes with wings
991386;1422171064;mircea_popescu;pete_dushenski nothing in particular, just the general.
991387;1422171067;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes and a spear.
991388;1422171091;ben_vulpes;i thought he was going under the knife to get rid of the spear
991389;1422171094;ben_vulpes;"dick surgery"?
991390;1422171107;nubbins`;heh
991391;1422171113;mircea_popescu;oh
991392;1422171119;fluffypony;https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=934713.0
991393;1422171120;assbot;Step by step. How To Scam People With New Ann. Coin ?? ... ( http://bit.ly/1C07OXo )
991394;1422171123;fluffypony;Best thread
991395;1422171132;mircea_popescu;i think he has been delaborately confusing us to gain time
991396;1422171141;mircea_popescu;WHERES THE VIDEOS NUBBINZ
991397;1422171144;pete_dushenski;mircea_popescu: mitch runs a little coding shop, they do some web design as well
991398;1422171153;mircea_popescu;you know him /
991399;1422171157;nubbins`;he actually posted the video hey
991400;1422171158;pete_dushenski;his shop did the new website for cavirtex
991401;1422171163;nubbins`;http://hyperfool.com/ufcknubbins.mp4
991402;1422171168;pete_dushenski;mircea_popescu: a bit
991403;1422171168;nubbins`;pretty rough watch
991404;1422171175;nubbins`;i'd recommend someone else watch it and give you a summary
991405;1422171194;pete_dushenski;mircea_popescu:  we've met twice, once for drinks, once for coffee
991406;1422171203;pete_dushenski;he lives in calgary
991407;1422171208;ben_vulpes;pete_dushenski: https://www.cavirtex.com/home << but but that's the old site!
991408;1422171209;assbot;Canadian Virtual Exchange     ... ( http://bit.ly/1C082On )
991409;1422171220;pete_dushenski;actually he might've moved to toronto but no matter
991410;1422171220;ben_vulpes;100% canadian lol
991411;1422171226;ben_vulpes;gets me every time
991412;1422171231;pete_dushenski;he's a programmer
991413;1422171243;pete_dushenski;i poked him to figure out pgp, he did
991414;1422171244;ben_vulpes;oh god not programmers
991415;1422171256;pete_dushenski;i don't think he's done his 6 months tho, not seriously
991416;1422171285;pete_dushenski;ben_vulpes: new logo!
991417;1422171288;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes shut up and eat your cult programmeas.
991418;1422171299;ben_vulpes;i ain't eating programmers
991419;1422171307;ben_vulpes;no females in that set
991420;1422171319;mircea_popescu;i ate a female programmers
991421;1422171335;ben_vulpes;a plural of one?
991422;1422171339;mircea_popescu;better than male. no hairs.
991423;1422171346;mircea_popescu;not even on neck.
991424;1422171349;ben_vulpes;just stay clear of her heirs
991425;1422171350;pete_dushenski;mircea_popescu: anyways, mitch sends me the off pgp-gram, and i recently sent him to the trilema jobs board
991426;1422171378;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes her heirettes might toss good salad ?
991427;1422171379;pete_dushenski;then he said "oh, what about this conference?" and i told him to leave a comment if he was interested
991428;1422171381;pete_dushenski;looks like he did
991429;1422171386;mircea_popescu;pete_dushenski ah i c
991430;1422171393;ben_vulpes;herr heiress!
991431;1422171401;ben_vulpes;that's how the staff'll address my she-spawn
991432;1422171409;ben_vulpes;aw i fucked the genders there didn't i
991433;1422171429;mircea_popescu;hopefully just one.
991434;1422171436;ben_vulpes;YOU KNOW IT
991435;1422171441;mircea_popescu;it'd be heiress herrin
991436;1422171450;mircea_popescu;maybe she could be called herring
991437;1422171457;mircea_popescu;then it'd be heiress Herrin Herring
991438;1422171468;ben_vulpes;i'm rarin to go harin' after herrin herring
991439;1422171531;ben_vulpes;anyways, how does this work in practice: 2 mining pools release a block (B, C), building off the prev (A) - do miners arbitrarily choose which child block to continue building on?
991440;1422171548;mircea_popescu;from the protocol pov, it's arbitrary.
991441;1422171561;ben_vulpes;in practice though
991442;1422171581;ben_vulpes;do ops frantically get on the horn to get their block into the long chain?
991443;1422171581;mircea_popescu;in practice either whichever they hear first or whichever has better likely outcomes
991444;1422171587;mircea_popescu;yup
991445;1422171593;mircea_popescu;point in case, march fork.
991446;1422171621;hanbot;<ben_vulpes> how was the strip club, hanbot? << no buttered strip clubs for me, thanks, i'm off to play the grand piano
991447;1422171641;ben_vulpes;what actually happened there? i thought the forked chain was rejected?
991448;1422171650;ben_vulpes;hanbot: *buttered* strip clubs?!
991449;1422171657;ben_vulpes;what strange am i missing out on
991450;1422171660;pete_dushenski;mircea_popescu: come to think of it, mitch has been by assets before but under a pseudonym
991451;1422171664;pete_dushenski;;;seen menahem
991452;1422171665;gribble;menahem was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 11 weeks, 3 days, 16 hours, 22 minutes, and 13 seconds ago: <menahem> lemme verify my id again. brb, heading to an office space. gracias for the welcome.
991453;1422171667;ben_vulpes;;;later tell thestrin1puller ffs thestringpuller fix your bouncer
991454;1422171668;gribble;The operation succeeded.
991455;1422171676;pete_dushenski;^kid's not a joo even
991456;1422171703;mircea_popescu;" do ops frantically get on the horn to get their block into the long chain?" << through that process.
991457;1422171758;hanbot;<mircea_popescu> then it'd be heiress Herrin Herring << who opens up an earing shop, obviously
991458;1422171762;ben_vulpes;the fork-block didn't make it into the main chain, correct?
991459;1422171825;mircea_popescu;you're talking of ambiguous things as if they were specified.
991460;1422171832;mircea_popescu;"the winner of world war three was a good man, right  ?
991461;1422171839;mircea_popescu;"totally"
991462;1422171950;mircea_popescu;hanbot hopefully she's earnin' with it.
991463;1422172092;ben_vulpes;"main chain" << the ambiguous bit?
991464;1422172191;ben_vulpes;<mircea_popescu> http://cascadianhacker.com/blog/2014/10/25_notes-on-increasing-the-maximum-bitcoin-block-size-or-why-it-aint-happenin.html << hey ben_vulpes did gavin ever respond to that one ? << hey this one actually doesn't read too poorly a few months later
991465;1422172192;assbot;Notes on Increasing the Maximum Bitcoin Block Size (or, "Why it ain't happenin'") ... ( http://bit.ly/1C0aT9M )
991466;1422172407;mircea_popescu;yehn
991467;1422172424;mircea_popescu;pity you're not an economist like oleg andreev
991468;1422172434;mircea_popescu;or whatever other random css expert gavin found on fiverr.
991469;1422172478;ben_vulpes;amusingly, oleg andreev abandoned the only decent gui client for 'git' on os x
991470;1422172498;ben_vulpes;it's amusing to watch everyone manually patch the closed source turdball to cope with each successive os x upgrade
991471;1422172507;ben_vulpes;in order to do what precisely with bitcoin?
991472;1422172513;ben_vulpes;certainly not hang out with the asshats.
991473;1422172566;mircea_popescu;man on stationary bike isn't catching any trains.
991474;1422172650;punkman;http://hyperfool.com/ufcknubbins.mp4 < lol this guy, 1 hour to carve one huge N and he can't even do a straight line. just digging on the wood with all the wrong rotarytool bits.
991475;1422172677;mircea_popescu;!up metsuno
991476;1422172688;pete_dushenski;metsuno: get a cloak eh
991477;1422172694;mircea_popescu;punkman he did it deliberately so it's artistic and unique
991478;1422172696;mircea_popescu;doh
991479;1422172708;mircea_popescu;there's a book "luxury rotary bits management" you should read.
991480;1422172713;pete_dushenski;unless web access is immune from ddosbot, i dunno if it is
991481;1422172733;mircea_popescu;i thought the ddos derp crapped out earlier.
991482;1422172752;mircea_popescu;anyway, im off. take it easy ye buncha socialists.
991483;1422172754;ben_vulpes;from hampshire?
991484;1422172767;ben_vulpes;metsuno you're going to get expelled hanging out here
991485;1422172779;nubbins`;hm
991486;1422172787;metsuno;sorry
991487;1422172789;metsuno;I'm shy
991488;1422172797;pete_dushenski;laters mp
991489;1422172806;ben_vulpes;pete_dushenski: how's the ride?
991490;1422172814;nubbins`;punkman i'm not sure why nobody is mentioning that the design is already laser etched into the fuckin piece when the video starts
991491;1422172825;nubbins`;then the guy just runs his dremel around the already-engraved letter
991492;1422172826;nubbins`;like...
991493;1422172833;pete_dushenski;ben_vulpes: parked for the weekend
991494;1422172840;nubbins`;maybe the man is mentally ill
991495;1422172848;pete_dushenski;it's unbelievably warm here
991496;1422172850;punkman;nubbins, oh it looked like pencil, but then I wondered about the outer circles
991497;1422172856;pete_dushenski;like +6C
991498;1422172872;ben_vulpes;nubbins` this comes back to the trouble of identifying malice vs incompetence
991499;1422172904;nubbins`;punkman fullscreen that shit
991500;1422172923;nubbins`;the whole thing is actually etched before the camera is turned on
991501;1422172937;nubbins`;i'm tempted to go get the design laser etched onto a piece myself
991502;1422172944;nubbins`;and create my own video of me dremelling it
991503;1422172961;nubbins`;but that would definitely qualify as "getting out of hand"
991504;1422172968;punkman;you could do the same job with a dull spoon I think
991505;1422172986;ben_vulpes;stahp
991506;1422172987;ben_vulpes;plz
991507;1422172990;ben_vulpes;plz no buly
991508;1422173511;ben_vulpes;http://hyperfool.com/ufcknubbins.mp4 << ah shit 1 hour in loving the burns
991509;1422173519;nubbins`;heh
991510;1422173538;nubbins`;i'm all "why didn't he laser the entire background if he's gonna do this?"
991511;1422173630;nubbins`;"o, wait, hand mumble mumble"
991512;1422173643;nubbins`;did you get to the part where he sprays water on the wood?
991513;1422173648;ben_vulpes;lol no.
991514;1422173650;nubbins`;heh
991515;1422173656;nubbins`;i guess it brings out the grain
991516;1422173666;nubbins`;much more so than, say, oil
991517;1422173666;ben_vulpes;i scrubbed to 1 hour in, saw the burns, bailed
991518;1422173674;nubbins`;yeah heh
991519;1422173686;nubbins`;the start was v suspenseful
991520;1422173690;ben_vulpes;nubbins`: it actually shows the grain remarkably well, and nondestructively to boot
991521;1422173693;ben_vulpes;!up cazalla
991522;1422173702;ben_vulpes;dafuq's up with your keys, caz?
991523;1422173707;cazalla;pete_dushenski, you driving around in john voight's car or wut?
991524;1422173717;ben_vulpes;lol just here for the zingers
991525;1422173731;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6800 @ 0.00049708 = 3.3801 BTC [-]
991526;1422173747;pete_dushenski;cazalla: john's ? mebbe. saddam's ? definitely.
991527;1422173751;punkman;the end with the laser pointer and text that says "hey first piece I lazered"
991528;1422173763;pete_dushenski;in fact, i've named my mercedes just that: "saddam"
991529;1422173827;punkman;"Beyond that, this is the season when i import all my wood to get me  through the next year. That means on average i have from 1 to 5 trucks  showing up a week, 1 or 2 shipments coming through customs i need to  keep on top of, and also a dozen employees to keep track of."
991530;1422173836;punkman;trucks of wood!
991531;1422173841;nubbins`;hm
991532;1422173847;ben_vulpes;i...
991533;1422173851;ben_vulpes;man
991534;1422173853;nubbins`;i suspect smoothie from the forums is kinda stupid
991535;1422173856;cazalla;pete_dushenski, everybody's talk at you but you can't hear a word they're saying.. just driving 'round in saddam's car
991536;1422173858;ben_vulpes;you guys gotta stop bringing these scams around here
991537;1422173864;nubbins`;actually, remove "suspect" and "kinda"
991538;1422173871;nubbins`;and "i" or else it doesn't make sense
991539;1422173877;ben_vulpes;hahaha
991540;1422173882;ben_vulpes;just write the regex okay?
991541;1422173891;nubbins`;;;google regex.info
991542;1422173891;gribble;Jeffrey Friedl's Web Sites: <http://regex.info/>; Jeffrey Friedl's Exif (Image Metadata) Viewer: <http://regex.info/exif.cgi>; Regular-Expressions.info - Regex Tutorial, Examples and ...: <http://www.regular-expressions.info/>
991543;1422173904;nubbins`;^ quicker than putting chrome into focus
991544;1422173928;nubbins`;wait that's not right
991545;1422173936;nubbins`;;;google regular-expressions.info
991546;1422173937;gribble;Regular-Expressions.info - Regex Tutorial, Examples and ...: <http://www.regular-expressions.info/>; Regular Expressions Reference - Regular-Expressions.info: <http://www.regular-expressions.info/reference.html>; Tutorial - Regular-Expressions.info: <http://www.regular-expressions.info/tutorial.html>
991547;1422173943;nubbins`;there
991548;1422173948;ben_vulpes;man i hate regexen
991549;1422173953;nubbins`;yeah
991550;1422173971;nubbins`;powerful, but so is finally fitting a medicine ball in your asshole
991551;1422173981;*;ben_vulpes blinks
991552;1422173990;nubbins`;...so i've heard
991553;1422173992;ben_vulpes;how does that work
991554;1422173997;nubbins`;generally only once.
991555;1422173999;ben_vulpes;do you just sit down slowly?
991556;1422174014;ben_vulpes;AlexWkz: your cloak is getting applied after you join channels
991557;1422174020;nubbins`;once it's in, you sit down quite rapidly
991558;1422174024;punkman;regexp ftw!
991559;1422174044;nubbins`;AlexWkz try putting your nickserv password into your network settings
991560;1422174046;nubbins`;or smth
991561;1422174056;ben_vulpes;don't just stand there, man!
991562;1422174058;ben_vulpes;do something!
991563;1422174066;ben_vulpes;anything!
991564;1422174068;ben_vulpes;it doesn't matter!
991565;1422174076;punkman;!up AlexWkz
991566;1422174087;ben_vulpes;oh yeah that
991567;1422174093;cazalla;so is this 2gb wood carving tutorial worth the dl or does the thread provide enough lulz?
991568;1422174102;ben_vulpes;nope not worth anything
991569;1422174466;punkman;https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=919373.0
991570;1422174466;assbot;Users of Bitcoin Core on Linux must not upgrade to the latest version of OpenSSL ... ( http://bit.ly/1JorZiI )
991571;1422174508;punkman;"In some conceivable but unlikely scenarios, you might see incoming  transactions as having 6+ confirmations when the transactions are  actually invalid"
991572;1422174590;punkman;ah two weeks old, pardon me
991573;1422174810;nubbins`;cazalla no
991574;1422174815;nubbins`;really 2gb?
991575;1422174882;punkman;http://pics2.brainparking.com/p442/9/y/8390396py9.jpg
991576;1422174883;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/18emFRB )
991577;1422175257;nubbins`;ok
991578;1422175260;nubbins`;bitspill wins
991579;1422175270;ben_vulpes;sauce
991580;1422175288;nubbins`;https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=935115.msg10252471#msg10252471
991581;1422175289;assbot;Videos of WoodCollector Hand Carving: Care of MOB ... ( http://bit.ly/18enYjC )
991582;1422175297;nubbins`;see quoted text for context
991583;1422175315;nubbins`;"OK, so he didn't use a laser"
991584;1422175325;nubbins`;like... dude, are you even having the same conversation as us?
991585;1422175338;nubbins`;or just copying random words and pasting them into sentences
991586;1422175343;nubbins`;i officially stop
991587;1422175355;ben_vulpes;dag
991588;1422175356;ben_vulpes;please
991589;1422175379;nubbins`;you could piss in this man's face and tell him his lips are dry, he'd reach for the balm
991590;1422175398;nubbins`;i regret trying to help
991591;1422175415;ben_vulpes;well
991592;1422175417;ben_vulpes;enjoy this instead
991593;1422175418;ben_vulpes;http://champagne.shithouse.tv/
991594;1422175419;assbot;champagne ... ( http://bit.ly/1Jou8eg )
991595;1422175454;nubbins`;that sure is an image
991596;1422175463;ben_vulpes;sho nuff
991597;1422175471;ben_vulpes;i'm trying to get a book deal
991598;1422175632;punkman;http://nymag.com/thecut/2014/02/tinder-makes-its-first-match-in-antarctica.html
991599;1422175634;assbot;Tinder Makes Its First Match in Antarctica -- The Cut ... ( http://bit.ly/1JouDF5 )
991600;1422175827;nubbins`;so i have this korg sample sequencer, and it comes with 100 built-in sounds
991601;1422175840;nubbins`;you have to use an iphone app to load new samples onto it
991602;1422175898;nubbins`;except they were kind enough to release an SDK, written in C, on github ;o
991603;1422175898;punkman;doesn't have line in?
991604;1422175901;nubbins`;http://korginc.github.io/volcasample/index.html
991605;1422175902;assbot; - volca sample SDK ... ( http://bit.ly/18epC4w )
991606;1422175904;ben_vulpes;oh hey where's bingoboingo
991607;1422175906;nubbins`;no line in
991608;1422175918;nubbins`;it's v inexpensive
991609;1422175927;ben_vulpes;how does the sound get into it?
991610;1422175944;nubbins`;modulates it into modem-y sounds
991611;1422175955;nubbins`;which you play in through the clock sync port
991612;1422175969;nubbins`;which is an 1/8" audio jack
991613;1422175973;nubbins`;http://www.korg.com/us/products/dj/volca_sample/
991614;1422175975;assbot;volca sample DIGITAL SAMPLE SEQUENCER | DJ & Production Tools | KORG ... ( http://bit.ly/18epK4a )
991615;1422176001;nubbins`;you can also transfer sequence information via this same method
991616;1422176011;*;ben_vulpes segfaults
991617;1422176012;ben_vulpes;no
991618;1422176013;ben_vulpes;nonono
991619;1422176016;nubbins`;so, e.g. arrange your patterns beforehand and send em over
991620;1422176042;nubbins`;it's actually surprisingly fun.
991621;1422176061;nubbins`;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bSTxg43_wBM
991622;1422176062;assbot;KORG volca sample - Tweak, Play, and Sequence Samples - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1JovLZr )
991623;1422176177;nubbins`;and will literally hit brown notes if connected to a proper sound system
991624;1422176253;ben_vulpes;i gave up on proper sound systems
991625;1422176267;ben_vulpes;it just makes life so much worse when people show up and play youtube videos
991626;1422176268;nubbins`;yeah
991627;1422176272;nubbins`;even headphones
991628;1422176274;nubbins`;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=THImd641WXk
991629;1422176276;assbot;Introducing KORG volca sample - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/18eqINQ )
991630;1422176282;nubbins`;^ this is the creator messing with it
991631;1422176292;ben_vulpes;i can't wait for bandwidth to get expensive again
991632;1422176295;nubbins`;takes one piano sound and makes an entire sequence with it
991633;1422176658;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 84156 @ 0.00048645 = 40.9377 BTC [-] {5} 
991634;1422176794;thestringpuller;I think that last netsplit resulted in my getting ddosed
991635;1422176804;ben_vulpes;there he is
991636;1422176843;thestringpuller;it was pretty bad they disconnected me for 40 minutes off the backbone
991637;1422176853;ben_vulpes;yowch
991638;1422176878;thestringpuller;Pretty much like an outage but there wasn't an outage at all, so it had to be DDOS.
991639;1422176888;thestringpuller;Something is still sucking bandwidth but not as bad.
991640;1422176906;thestringpuller;like a fat dude sitting in front of my door or something
991641;1422176909;thestringpuller;how are you ben_vulpes ?
991642;1422176918;[]bot;Bet placed: 1 BTC for No on "Bitcoin to surpass Berkshire as an investment" http://bitbet.us/bet/786/ Odds: 20(Y):80(N) by coin, 43(Y):57(N) by weight. Total bet: 5509.50957001 BTC. Current weight: 6,148.
991643;1422176919;ben_vulpes;writing a thing
991644;1422176938;ben_vulpes;first time in months
991645;1422176939;ben_vulpes;feels good
991646;1422177005;thestringpuller;now qntra news this weekend?
991647;1422177008;thestringpuller;no*
991648;1422177024;ben_vulpes;that's your bag not mine
991649;1422177089;thestringpuller;;;seen BingoBoingo
991650;1422177089;gribble;BingoBoingo was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 1 day, 21 hours, 47 minutes, and 54 seconds ago: <BingoBoingo> asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: perhaps we have your new pc here. << very interesting
991651;1422177847;ben_vulpes;http://cascadianhacker.com/blog/2015/01/25_what-does-it-mean-to-bitcoinate-and-just-as-importantly-what-does-bitcoinating-not-include.html
991652;1422177848;assbot;What does it mean to "bitcoinate"? And just as importantly, what does bitcoinating not include? ... ( http://bit.ly/18evdrH )
991653;1422177866;ben_vulpes;and to all a good night!
991654;1422178000;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19400 @ 0.00049708 = 9.6434 BTC [+]
991655;1422178610;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18200 @ 0.00049708 = 9.0469 BTC [+]
991656;1422179159;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15550 @ 0.00050438 = 7.8431 BTC [+] {2} 
991657;1422182087;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14300 @ 0.00051062 = 7.3019 BTC [+] {3} 
991658;1422182334;fluffypony;ben_vulpes: that's precisely the current Monero architecture
991659;1422182344;fluffypony;the daemon maintains the connection to the network
991660;1422182358;fluffypony;relays blocks / transactions, stores the blockchain, etc.
991661;1422182376;fluffypony;and then you can run as many wallet clients as you want
991662;1422182390;fluffypony;even if they're on separate computers and talk over your LAN to the daemon
991663;1422182423;fluffypony;oh, and the daemon is also the thing that does / can do solo mining
991664;1422182446;fluffypony;although it'll gladly serve up work via a GBT-style call
991665;1422182453;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27658 @ 0.00051515 = 14.248 BTC [+]
991666;1422183043;punkman;http://www.amusingplanet.com/2013/04/the-leaning-buildings-of-santos-brazil.html
991667;1422183044;assbot;The Leaning Buildings of Santos, Brazil | Amusing Planet ... ( http://bit.ly/1C0HM6h )
991668;1422183978;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21800 @ 0.00047658 = 10.3894 BTC [-] {3} 
991669;1422188492;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 37588 @ 0.00047436 = 17.8302 BTC [-] {4} 
991670;1422189263;punkman;!up coderwill
991671;1422189526;coderwill;punkman: thanks, cheers
991672;1422189734;coderwill;I was following a conversation on GitHub for Bitcoin.org, and found it interesting that Circle has explicitly requested to be removed from the site because it targets a different demographic from what they are searching for.
991673;1422189841;coderwill;https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin.org/pull/700#issuecomment-71344693
991674;1422189843;assbot;Add long time duration HSTS as a requirement for wallets by saivann · Pull Request #700 · bitcoin/bitcoin.org · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1yGUhkX )
991675;1422190293;punkman;coderwill, nobody will want anything to do with bitcoin.org or the foundation, sooner or later
991676;1422190344;coderwill;punkman: i can understand the foundation, but i wonder why the website?
991677;1422190389;coderwill;punkman: BF just pays a sponsorship fee to help cover the hosting costs, and to support saivann helping maintain it and a few other projects on there, they don't own it
991678;1422190935;punkman;coderwill: iirc bitcoin.org and bitcointalk.org are owned by some dude that for some reason lets various derps use them
991679;1422190983;punkman;https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Sirius
991680;1422190985;assbot;Sirius - Bitcoin ... ( http://bit.ly/1Jp9RoX )
991681;1422191028;coderwill;Ah ok, I'm don't know about that.
991682;1422191039;coderwill;I don't*
991683;1422191155;punkman;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=25-06-2014#732169
991684;1422191156;assbot;Logged on 25-06-2014 15:27:40; ThickAsThieves: "bitcoin.org's content is managed by Saïvann Carignan, who is somewhat associated with the Foundation (though not an employee AFAIK), but the bitcoin.org domain name is jointly owned by me, Sirius, and an anonymous person. We will take action if bitcoin.org is being used inappropriately or the development group does something crazy."  ~Theymos
991685;1422191163;punkman;!up coderwill
991686;1422192335;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 2575 @ 0.00095352 = 2.4553 BTC [-] {12} 
991687;1422193433;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 1193 @ 0.00095001 = 1.1334 BTC [-] {2} 
991688;1422193738;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17850 @ 0.00051528 = 9.1977 BTC [+] {2} 
991689;1422195995;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20450 @ 0.00051553 = 10.5426 BTC [+] {2} 
991690;1422197032;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2600 @ 0.00051124 = 1.3292 BTC [-]
991691;1422197519;decimation;asciilifeform: some guy uploaded a pre-wwii map into the pedi-wikia that plots the locations of functional german hamlets in european ru https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_Russia#mediaviewer/File:Russia_ethnic.JPG
991692;1422197521;assbot;European Russia - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ... ( http://bit.ly/1EjmVfh )
991693;1422197854;decimation;I didn't realize that the Crimea was filled with Tartars
991694;1422199328;fluffypony;davout: lol
991695;1422199534;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24950 @ 0.00051159 = 12.7642 BTC [+] {2} 
991696;1422200719;davout;;;later tell mircea_popescu: looks like /r/buttcoin folks are actually agreeing
991697;1422200720;gribble;The operation succeeded.
991698;1422200722;davout;"If Bitcoiners could ever get decent adoption and max out that 7 transactions per second the fees wouldn't even have to be that bad. Just make every transaction cost 0.006 BTC and that's just $1.50. That would be the equivalent of the current block reward. But the problem is they've all decided that microtransactions while having an expensive Bitcoin is the killer feature."
991699;1422200751;davout;seems to me that folks from /r/buttcoin are an order of magnitude less retarded than those in /r/bitcoin
991700;1422200889;davout;fluffypony: the saivann guy is obviously some sort of topological equivalent of a feminist, tries to push irrelevant shit to feel like he, in some way, matters
991701;1422200918;davout;;;isup mpex.co
991702;1422200920;gribble;mpex.co is up
991703;1422200930;davout;gribble: lies
991704;1422201024;mod6;$proxies
991705;1422201025;empyex;mod6: Proxies: mpex.ws mpex.bz mpex.co mpex.biz mpex.coinbr.com Current MPEx GPG-Key-ID: 02DD2D91
991706;1422201026;empyex;mod6: MPEx-Status: mpex.bz (89 milliseconds), mpex.co (91 milliseconds), mpex.ws (102 milliseconds), mpex.biz (167 milliseconds), mpex.coinbr.com (592 milliseconds)
991707;1422201027;empyex;mod6: Health-Indicators: Homepage: √ MK Depth JSON: √ VWAP JSON: √
991708;1422201120;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 52200 @ 0.00051512 = 26.8893 BTC [+] {2} 
991709;1422201592;mats;http://www.geekwire.com/2015/microsoft-buy-revolution-analytics-pushing-big-data/
991710;1422201593;assbot;Microsoft to buy Revolution Analytics, pushing further into big data - GeekWire ... ( http://bit.ly/1z9WK9K )
991711;1422201608;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3000 @ 0.0005096 = 1.5288 BTC [-]
991712;1422203618;mats;http://dedis.cs.yale.edu/dissent/papers/analysis.pdf re: dining cryptographer nets
991713;1422203620;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1GT5bJU )
991714;1422203698;mats;http://bford.info/pub/net/panopticon-cacm.pdf more on 'Dissent'
991715;1422203700;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1GT5zIz )
991716;1422204314;mats;http://www.onlineprogrammingbooks.com/legally-free-oreilly-media-books/
991717;1422204316;assbot;O'Reilly Media Books Free to Read or Download Legally : Download Free Book ... ( http://bit.ly/1B9AIik )
991718;1422206089;jurov;!mpif
991719;1422206090;assbot;BtcAlpha.com F.MPIF Tracker estimated NAV per share: 0.00021389 B (Total: 467.74 B). Delta: -1.46 B. Last trade for F.MPIF on MPEX was at 0.000205 BTC [+]
991720;1422207830;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34350 @ 0.00050093 = 17.2069 BTC [-] {4} 
991721;1422209355;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26800 @ 0.0004833 = 12.9524 BTC [-] {4} 
991722;1422210331;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3198 @ 0.00047318 = 1.5132 BTC [-]
991723;1422210880;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33600 @ 0.00046955 = 15.7769 BTC [-]
991724;1422211299;mircea_popescu;davout well geneally yes, but some voices in particular seem to hate you personally.
991725;1422211301;ben_vulpes;guten tag saboteure
991726;1422211307;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 39 @ 0.10061442 = 3.924 BTC [-] {12} 
991727;1422211349;davout;i guess so
991728;1422211350;mircea_popescu;http://41.media.tumblr.com/7d46f615b1b0a8b15b62014971b174ee/tumblr_nguhfqJAEQ1sb822ho1_500.jpg happy panties on thighs day.
991729;1422211351;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1EklIEA )
991730;1422211371;davout;as the classical french wisdom goes: "on est tous le connard de quelqu'un d'autre"
991731;1422211372;mircea_popescu;jstolfi 3 points 14 days ago
991732;1422211372;mircea_popescu;It looks like he made his goal in life to be the most detestable person in the internet. (Methinks he is still nowhere near that rank, though.) However he is a precious resource, as an expert bitcoiner who enjoys kicking some of the most sacred cows in bitcoinland.
991733;1422211391;mircea_popescu;so apparently this stolfi brazilian derp figures himself some sort of stragetist or something ?
991734;1422211467;mircea_popescu;i dun think there's anything more adorkably pathetic than academics aiming for political power. sort-of like the bichon frizee trying to mount a german shepherd in heat.
991735;1422211480;mircea_popescu;dat dangling minipenis, a foot under the all consuming hole...
991736;1422211577;mircea_popescu;http://news.yahoo.com/colleague-slain-prosecutor-barred-leaving-argentina-215640674.html <<< pity we can't make bets on whether he "suicides" too. "protective custody" my foot.
991737;1422211578;assbot;Argentine prosecutor shot point blank in forehead: official - Yahoo News ... ( http://bit.ly/1EkmuBB )
991738;1422211594;asciilifeform;Can Have Problems (tm) !
991739;1422211782;ben_vulpes;mircea_popescu: did you see cai guo-qiang's fireworks last night?
991740;1422211804;mircea_popescu;mnope
991741;1422211807;mircea_popescu;wassat ?
991742;1422211822;ben_vulpes;chinese explosives "artist"
991743;1422211833;ben_vulpes;did the beijing olympics
991744;1422211842;ben_vulpes;"paints" with gunpowder between vellum sheets
991745;1422211864;ben_vulpes;saw a scad of his stuff at the guggenheim when i lived in nyc. rather fun.
991746;1422211880;mircea_popescu;ah la boca.
991747;1422211889;mircea_popescu;well... i guess because i was mostly indoors ? only 10 or so miles away
991748;1422211900;ben_vulpes;suspended a bunch of cars right down the center of the place with flourescent tubes to evoke a fireworks show
991749;1422211912;mircea_popescu;ah
991750;1422211916;mircea_popescu;so not actual fireworks ?
991751;1422211928;ben_vulpes;well not the static piece in the middle of the goog lol no
991752;1422211949;ben_vulpes;he did the beijing olympics firework show iirc
991753;1422212011;ben_vulpes;https://twitter.com/CasaRosadaAR/status/559146735344562176 << haw
991754;1422212013;assbot;El periodista Damián Pachter viajó a Uruguay con pasaje de regreso para el 2 de febrero http://t.co/dUGwifa9AO http://t.co/muWhkHEvfK
991755;1422212037;mircea_popescu;eyah but you're basically assking someone in manhattan if they saw whatever cars in astoria.
991756;1422212040;mircea_popescu;it's a ways.
991757;1422212101;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26256 @ 0.00046955 = 12.3285 BTC [-]
991758;1422212104;ben_vulpes;yeah but fireworks!
991759;1422212113;mircea_popescu;dude.
991760;1422212119;mircea_popescu;was it fireworks or was it suspended cars ?!
991761;1422212165;mircea_popescu;anyway, either way i somehow didn't see nething.
991762;1422212187;mircea_popescu;http://latidobuenosaires.com/mapa-de-la-boca.gif << here's a map of ba barrios for the curious
991763;1422212190;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1Ba7sbd )
991764;1422212261;mircea_popescu;!up coderwill
991765;1422212266;coderwill;thanks
991766;1422212275;coderwill;just reading about this nisman story, bizarre
991767;1422212292;mircea_popescu;quite.
991768;1422212317;ben_vulpes;the cars were at the guggenheim in nyc
991769;1422212320;ben_vulpes;yeeeears go
991770;1422212323;ben_vulpes;the guy does fireworks.
991771;1422212327;ben_vulpes;but whatever, irrelevant.
991772;1422212352;coderwill;what does la boca have to do w/ the nisman situation?
991773;1422212371;ben_vulpes;nothing
991774;1422212405;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17002 @ 0.00047318 = 8.045 BTC [+]
991775;1422212430;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes yup i missed it w/e it was.
991776;1422212472;coderwill;ah, n/m then :)
991777;1422212547;mircea_popescu;http://36.media.tumblr.com/41e5fb4725d897b4889563a86f34f07c/tumblr_mgc1uhtoBg1r43ttjo1_500.jpg << guys suck at making cakes.
991778;1422212548;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1Ekq7aL )
991779;1422212550;mircea_popescu;!up TL121
991780;1422212591;ben_vulpes;kinda looks like the self-leveling stuff
991781;1422212592;ben_vulpes;scam
991782;1422212854;mircea_popescu;the woman or the goop ?
991783;1422212908;*;ben_vulpes ponders the notion of a self-leveling woman
991784;1422212989;mircea_popescu;"i said give me those buoys!"
991785;1422213381;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 44700 @ 0.0005123 = 22.8998 BTC [+] {5} 
991786;1422213901;mircea_popescu;"Frank Sinatra had a terrible temper, as shown by his irrational hatred of Barbara Streisand"
991787;1422213916;mircea_popescu;dude paul anka is fucking retarded. how the fuck would a hatred of nosewoman be irrational ?
991788;1422214045;pete_dushenski;because rationality says: love jooz
991789;1422214049;pete_dushenski;or something
991790;1422214109;ben_vulpes;http://www.washingtonpost.com/business/economy/americas-best-selling-cars-and-trucks-are-built-on-lies-the-rise-of-fake-engine-noise/2015/01/21/6db09a10-a0ba-11e4-b146-577832eafcb4_story.html << craaaaapflation
991791;1422214109;assbot;America’s best-selling cars and trucks are built on lies: The rise of fake engine noise - The Washington Post ... ( http://bit.ly/1Ekyinh )
991792;1422214127;mircea_popescu;lol
991793;1422214145;mircea_popescu;i wonder how long until someone makes a sexnoises app
991794;1422214196;asciilifeform;obligatory: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=21-01-2015#985211
991795;1422214196;assbot;Logged on 21-01-2015 01:41:29; asciilifeform: speaking of diamonds (specifically of the synthetic variety), one possible observation here - not concerning the idiocy of the wood thing as such - is that anyone demanding a specific 'colour' (as per the 'monolith' essay) - i.e. provenance - of object, is begging to be chumped
991796;1422214225;ben_vulpes;i've always wanted to crush some diamonds.
991797;1422214230;mircea_popescu;"Among purists, the trickery has inspired an identity crisis and cut to the heart of American auto legend. "
991798;1422214231;mircea_popescu;hjeh
991799;1422214261;mircea_popescu;look, it's dying, what do you want from it. cars are pretty fucking stupid. they had an economic niche which made us forget temporarily, but it's closed up.
991800;1422214273;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: diamond cleaves along crystal plane - how do you suppose folks cut them prior to lasers ?
991801;1422214287;pete_dushenski;the fake car noises are because the cars are so well insulated now
991802;1422214301;pete_dushenski;and the engines are all turbo because "fuel-efficiency"
991803;1422214304;mircea_popescu;pete_dushenski but the "idnetity crisis" is not because of the change in car noise.
991804;1422214315;mircea_popescu;it's because in the change in the future prospects of the whole activity.
991805;1422214323;ben_vulpes;asciilifeform: i have a notion of how diamond cutting works/ed
991806;1422214323;asciilifeform;see the advantages: you can reprogram the faux vroom speaker for horse whinny.
991807;1422214334;mircea_popescu;merely disguises itself as "because X", like a domestic argument. in fact, it's becaue there's going to be a divorce.
991808;1422214350;ben_vulpes;i want to actually crush some.
991809;1422214369;pete_dushenski;mircea_popescu: you're right, the identity crisis is that of americans as a whole
991810;1422214383;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: how does one go about crushing diamond? hydraulic press?
991811;1422214395;ben_vulpes;something like that.
991812;1422214398;mircea_popescu;well that's one thinmg, but specifically as to the car, this entire car-and-zoning-laws-and-sprawl-and-commute model got killed by the internet
991813;1422214402;mircea_popescu;THAT's disruption.
991814;1422214417;mircea_popescu;and it's killed and dead and not coming back and everyone and everything will change to get rid of cars, and of the sprawl
991815;1422214427;mircea_popescu;and of commutes and of the right of "governments" to decide land use.
991816;1422214438;ben_vulpes;us road infrastructure is falling apart due to expense of maintenance.
991817;1422214442;pete_dushenski;cheap gas might give it a few more minutes of breath
991818;1422214446;ben_vulpes;last generation's boondoggle.
991819;1422214456;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes understand : no mistress is ever pooir bnecause "of expense".
991820;1422214463;mircea_popescu;she's poor becauise she sucks at sucking cock.
991821;1422214479;mircea_popescu;it's only expensive because we're really done with them. otherwise, they'd be a "great investment".
991822;1422214497;mircea_popescu;pete_dushenski notrly, because it's not really about the gas. it's about the inconvenience.
991823;1422214514;mircea_popescu;people don't want to spend an hour driving, they want to spend that hour derping on a dating app
991824;1422214546;pete_dushenski;which would be why average joe can't wait to get a self-driving car
991825;1422214549;ben_vulpes;mircea_popescu: weren't they a grand investment for that generation?
991826;1422214560;mircea_popescu;(not for fucking, mind you. so give them a work at home job where no woman can ever come and a way to score nude tumblrs and that's the new economic model)
991827;1422214576;ben_vulpes;https://github.com/bitcoinfs/bitcoinfs << entirely unrelated. "full node" in f#, m$ "turdlang"
991828;1422214577;assbot;bitcoinfs/bitcoinfs · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1EkAb3m )
991829;1422214588;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes yeah, they were, back when the interstates were built. that's perhaps the shiniest example opf "govt investment in slump" mantra.
991830;1422214604;mircea_popescu;when it's fucking clear what to spen the money on, so clear even a govt could figure it out, keynesianism works.
991831;1422214616;pete_dushenski;same thing we're seeing in china at the moment
991832;1422214631;pete_dushenski;they've used more concrete in the past 3 years than usa in the past century
991833;1422214633;mircea_popescu;had bush spent ALL the stimulus on making internet connecxtions of 1tbps universally available, i wouldn't be here snubbing my nose at horowitz
991834;1422214646;pete_dushenski;all for the interstates and highways and byways
991835;1422214652;mircea_popescu;yeah. bad call.
991836;1422214671;pete_dushenski;"but it worked for usa"
991837;1422214672;decimation;the problem with a fancy interstate is that it costs a shitton of $$$ for upkeep
991838;1422214679;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: when do we get cobol node
991839;1422214688;decimation;and of course it is politically impossible to admit 'we are too poor to have nice roads'
991840;1422214690;pete_dushenski;decimation: impossible sums of money
991841;1422214696;mircea_popescu;decimation i never heard of anyone complain that their 16yo cocksucker costs money to upkeep.
991842;1422214712;mircea_popescu;complaints start after the 30th birthday.
991843;1422214716;decimation;pete_dushenski: aren't you a fan of the econtalk podcast?
991844;1422214721;*;pete_dushenski is, fittingly, working on another car-related article atm
991845;1422214728;ben_vulpes;asciilifeform: what about a cl node?
991846;1422214728;pete_dushenski;ya
991847;1422214734;mircea_popescu;lol pete, repackage this you're halfway there
991848;1422214747;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: that one is after nubbins` prints the fscking book and i read it
991849;1422214753;pete_dushenski;this might have to be part deux!
991850;1422214765;decimation;They had some guy talk about transportation in the us in 2013: http://www.econtalk.org/archives/2013/10/winston_on_tran.html
991851;1422214767;assbot;" + soundfiledesc + " ... ( http://bit.ly/1EkAYS2 )
991852;1422214782;pete_dushenski;scratch that, it's going to be an epic footnote
991853;1422214782;ben_vulpes;asciilifeform: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=8943709 << also saw this this morning
991854;1422214783;assbot;Mezzanine: A Common Lisp-based 64-bit OS for VirtualBox | Hacker News ... ( http://bit.ly/1EkB0ZZ )
991855;1422214799;ben_vulpes;abstractions atop abstractions...
991856;1422214814;pete_dushenski;decimation: i vaguely remember that one
991857;1422214818;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes you know teh second system effect ?
991858;1422214830;mircea_popescu;where people end up making ftp clients for firefox extensions ? because "it can be done"
991859;1422214834;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: see earlier experiment of the same flavour, 'movitz'
991860;1422214848;decimation;"But, when you sum these things up in terms of what consumers spend in terms of getting to work, various pleasure trips and non-work trips, and then you look at what shippers spend on shipping freight and so on and so forth, and then what the government spends building infrastructure, we're talking shares of GDP (Gross Domestic Product) that approach the amount that we are spending on health care. ... And that's just out of pocket
991861;1422214850;decimation;expenditures. "
991862;1422214854;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: it isn't that hard to port, e.g., sbcl, to 'metal' - but then you end up in driver hell.
991863;1422214909;mircea_popescu;decimation all of that used to not matter when one considered on the other side the even greater expenses of the available alternatives.
991864;1422214914;mircea_popescu;but that other side has evaporated.
991865;1422214925;ben_vulpes;i've seen windows 3.1 in javascript...
991866;1422214940;mircea_popescu;right ?
991867;1422214956;decimation;'other side' being more or less 'private' transport and land use planning?
991868;1422214969;asciilifeform;death of the auto >> obligatory >> http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-09-2014#833541
991869;1422214970;assbot;Logged on 18-09-2014 16:10:16; gribble: Autosaurus - YouTube: <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ff7aj2ZItuk>; Adbusters - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adbusters>; Sim City: Auto-Saurus-Rex, Volcano, UFO's in Spacington! - Spacing ...: <http://spacing.ca/atlantic/2012/06/08/sim-city-auto-saurus-rex-volcano-ufos-in-spacington/>
991870;1422214998;mircea_popescu;decimation no. "working at home" , "jacking off to porn and looking at sights on pinterest"
991871;1422215010;mircea_popescu;work and pleasure. solved, and much safer than actually going there.
991872;1422215019;mircea_popescu;"it's certainly uncontaminated by any cheese", to quote cleese.
991873;1422215053;decimation;mmorpgs and other like games probably 'employ' much 'excess' capacity in the us
991874;1422215098;mircea_popescu;we meet irl once a year, and even that's extravagant for like half the people.
991875;1422215101;mircea_popescu;yet we meet here each day.
991876;1422215115;mircea_popescu;what if we had to phisically drive to vegas, like kennedy HAD TO in the 50s ?
991877;1422215128;mircea_popescu;we would, of course. so what the driveway cost would not be a topic of conversation.
991878;1422215153;mircea_popescu;who here is on an economy internet package ? everyone just "give me the fattest pipe you got" "oh only that ? INTRODUCE LARGER ONES!"
991879;1422215220;thestringpuller;I nominate mircea_popescu for the bitcoin public service award!
991880;1422215222;asciilifeform;lol, yeah, see recent thread where i 'what's a gb optic terminal cost plz'
991881;1422215235;thestringpuller;After reading all of MPOE-PR's post, I have realized MP has done the greatest public service to this community.
991882;1422215263;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform well you should have seen town meetings in the 60s. "FIFTY LANES WE MUST HAS! EACH WAY!"
991883;1422215277;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: laugh if you must, but my town still has these same meetings.
991884;1422215295;mircea_popescu;yeah well you're in the sticks.
991885;1422215300;mircea_popescu;thestringpuller you actually read the whole lot /
991886;1422215302;mircea_popescu;?
991887;1422215303;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: the road never actually gets expanded, of course. but there is endless derp on the subject, for so long as i've lived here (~11 years)
991888;1422215321;decimation;mircea_popescu: actually much of the worst road 'infrastructure' in the northeast are in cities where people stopped highways from being built
991889;1422215350;mircea_popescu;decimation im sure.
991890;1422215352;decimation;around the same time, passenger rail went tits up, so there's little choice except shitty driving
991891;1422215387;asciilifeform;there is rail here. it is mainly used to get in and out of wash., d.c.
991892;1422215414;mircea_popescu;boston actually had excellent rail system. perhaps the best in the us.
991893;1422215425;mircea_popescu;back in 2004, it was car after carful of people all reading a book
991894;1422215435;mircea_popescu;i've seen pics these days. half as full, everyone on gadget.
991895;1422215439;decimation;in fact, the sitting senator for maryland, mikulski, was personally involved in leading the riot to stop the connection of I-70 to downtown
991896;1422215442;decimation;because it was racis
991897;1422215444;mircea_popescu;it's just... moving around is dead.
991898;1422215466;asciilifeform;if only it were entirely dead
991899;1422215491;decimation;I suspect wash dc is one of the few cities with a major upper class commuting culture
991900;1422215504;decimation;because usg is too stupid to move to somewhere cheaper
991901;1422215512;mircea_popescu;decimation govt employees are not upper class.
991902;1422215521;decimation;heh, well it's what passes in wash dc
991903;1422215541;asciilifeform;actually, usg ministries where no official secrets are involved - now routinely let folks grunt remotely
991904;1422215546;asciilifeform;e.g., patent office.
991905;1422215552;mircea_popescu;of course the lord's slave mistress is what passes for upper class among the slaves. nevertheless, the actual upper class regards the favored equal to the common slave.
991906;1422215577;nubbins`;cough
991907;1422215588;mircea_popescu;decimation how was teh connection racis ?
991908;1422215594;nubbins`;the book indeed
991909;1422215600;thestringpuller;;;seen BingoBoingo
991910;1422215601;gribble;BingoBoingo was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 2 days, 8 hours, 29 minutes, and 46 seconds ago: <BingoBoingo> asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: perhaps we have your new pc here. << very interesting
991911;1422215616;thestringpuller;mircea_popescu: have you  made contact with BingoBoingo?
991912;1422215625;thestringpuller;QNTRA is stale :(
991913;1422215639;mircea_popescu;<decimation> because usg is too stupid to move to somewhere cheaper <>< nah, not how it works. wherever it moves, the bedbugs move there too. it won't stay cheaper.
991914;1422215648;asciilifeform;^
991915;1422215655;mircea_popescu;thestringpuller i have not, no.
991916;1422215664;mircea_popescu;did he get browbagged ?!
991917;1422215669;thestringpuller;hope feds haven't kidnapped him.
991918;1422215696;thestringpuller;i swear d00ds were following me in fed-like manner in rural georgia last night.
991919;1422215724;nubbins`;what manner is that
991920;1422215726;mircea_popescu;thestringpuller did you submit an article or something ?
991921;1422215779;thestringpuller;I was gonna do some weekend snippet posts to help lighten the load.
991922;1422215794;mircea_popescu;so did you submit anything ?
991923;1422215839;thestringpuller;more of "inquiry". article snippet is still in VIM rite nao.
991924;1422215860;mircea_popescu;aha
991925;1422215862;thestringpuller;usually BB tells me if subject matter is "worthy" or not of qntra
991926;1422215869;mircea_popescu;http://36.media.tumblr.com/444e9675df9943ed6c6d5a885c8dd174/tumblr_ng4oj5R4S01tmf8ldo1_500.jpg << apparently chicks CAN be hawt in glasses.
991927;1422215870;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1BqaLOg )
991928;1422215883;thestringpuller;but yea
991929;1422215893;thestringpuller;someone dropped this in my PM's >> https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=934268.0;all
991930;1422215919;thestringpuller;where do you find such tasetful porn?!?
991931;1422215958;nubbins`;who is burtw
991932;1422215977;mircea_popescu;burt wagner
991933;1422215992;thestringpuller;he ran a Pirate Passthru back in times of yore
991934;1422215993;mircea_popescu;ambiguous, was a pedo early bitcoin advocate with a ridoinculous hourlong webshow
991935;1422216008;mircea_popescu;was also one of the guys involved in "banker cartel" pirate bs.
991936;1422216016;nubbins`;o
991937;1422216029;mircea_popescu;in his defense, this later one was the saner of the bunch
991938;1422216039;nubbins`;show me an early advocate without a severe sexual disorder
991939;1422216042;mircea_popescu;iirc he even apologized and errything. dun recall if privately or publicly or what, years ago.
991940;1422216047;mircea_popescu;nubbins` ikr ?!
991941;1422216080;mircea_popescu;nubbins` you should fish out the shows tho, they're great. derp has the camera filming in demo mode
991942;1422216086;nubbins`;heh
991943;1422216090;mircea_popescu;and it's alltogether just a bunch of artisanship
991944;1422216091;thestringpuller;nubbins`: I guess their mommy's told them playing with their weewee is bad.
991945;1422216111;nubbins`;reminds me of the time i filmed my death & had it played for my school lit class while i took the final week off
991946;1422216117;nubbins`;frame changes to view from bottom of bridge
991947;1422216136;nubbins`;CONTRAGULATIONS in glorious chunky white vhs-c lettering superimposed on the bottom
991948;1422216156;nubbins`;completely by accident, no way to remove it. we deemed it fitting and didn't re-shoot.
991949;1422216158;mircea_popescu;an hero is you ?
991950;1422216181;nubbins`;an hero wasn't me, a bunch of ears of corn broke my fall
991951;1422216213;nubbins`;then an unrelated scuffle on the bridge led to a man being thrown off, landing on me and killing me
991952;1422216216;nubbins`;it was a real roller coaster
991953;1422216240;mircea_popescu;i recall this grandiose commie romanian cinema thing, where "so what do we do ?! " "well... he can jump on some ears of corn" "but the camera will pick them up". pause. "not if you cover them in a brick painted sheet"
991954;1422216241;thestringpuller;mircea_popescu: I can submit writeup if deemed worthy otherwise It'll stay in the vim buffer
991955;1422216250;mircea_popescu;guy ended up falling on an inexplicable pile of bricks
991956;1422216373;pete_dushenski;http://www.contravex.com/2015/01/25/a-retrospective-on-six-years-in-the-car-blogosphere/
991957;1422216374;assbot;A retrospective on six years in the car blogosphere | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski ... ( http://bit.ly/1Bqbxuo )
991958;1422216387;nubbins`;https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=935720.0
991959;1422216387;assbot;[WTB] Laser-engraved blocks of wood ... ( http://bit.ly/1Bqbwqq )
991960;1422216389;nubbins`;i lel'd
991961;1422216400;ben_vulpes;entirely unrelated, it strikes me that a full node should probably provide "getwork" type commands for miners
991962;1422216411;nubbins`;he's actually kind of an older guy hey?
991963;1422216425;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes why ?
991964;1422216432;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30300 @ 0.00051729 = 15.6739 BTC [+] {2} 
991965;1422216456;mircea_popescu;"Preference will be given to those who provide video of them damaging the finished piece with a dremel tool." lol ok
991966;1422216541;nubbins`;heh
991967;1422216548;nubbins`;there's screen grabs somewhere
991968;1422216557;decimation;re: baltimore: www.prrac.org/pdf/mohl.pdf "Over the next few years, RAM continued to protest the "victimization" of black communities in the path of the interstate, which purposefully seemed designed to take "the heart out of one of the most stable communities in Baltimore." Facing the removal of 10,000 blacks who lived in the path of the east-west expressway, RAM activists challenged the highway engineers who “view people as just
991969;1422216558;decimation;another obstacle, like a hill to be leveled or a valley to be bridged.”"
991970;1422216566;nubbins`;incidentally his actual profession is "treatment plant operator" but w/e
991971;1422216601;mircea_popescu;"To most, the fact that Lila called Mitch a hero for killing himself is strange. "
991972;1422216608;mircea_popescu;dumbass purimericans. yo, seneca killed himself!
991973;1422216609;nubbins`;https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=935115.msg10255332#msg10255332
991974;1422216610;assbot;Videos of WoodCollector Hand Carving: Care of MOB ... ( http://bit.ly/1zbqt24 )
991975;1422216619;mircea_popescu;"to deny entropy that final satisfaction".
991976;1422216636;nubbins`;i probably would actually pay upwards of $100 for that piece, as-is.
991977;1422216640;pete_dushenski;^all the car tawk is in footnote viii :)
991978;1422216644;nubbins`;A++++ would hang on wall
991979;1422216670;mircea_popescu;nubbins` that's a great way to end up in 20 years surrounded by junk
991980;1422216682;nubbins`;i purge as often as i binge
991981;1422216685;mircea_popescu;decimation you know i can actually see that argument ?
991982;1422216698;nubbins`;space is at a premium here 8)
991983;1422216706;mircea_popescu;not as to racism in any sense, but as to why it's a bad idea
991984;1422216715;nubbins`;anyway, my dad makes pen blanks, he'd love it
991985;1422216773;ben_vulpes;mircea_popescu: i guess not in the spirit of modular design.
991986;1422216796;decimation;mircea_popescu: yeah I think you have a good point
991987;1422216804;ben_vulpes;perhaps better would be a thing that connects to the network, slurps out unconfirmed transactions and poops that back out as the mining input...
991988;1422216806;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes well, if you gonna do something, best know why you're doing it.
991989;1422216831;thestringpuller;nubbins`: this saga reminds me of some trailer park boys shit.
991990;1422216836;mircea_popescu;decimation i mean, if the entire objection to the mores of the black ghetto is that men don't live with the women they impregnate, and then you go demolish the one place for 500 miles where they actually do...
991991;1422216839;thestringpuller;ben_vulpes smokes now.
991992;1422216847;*;thestringpuller snaps fingers
991993;1422216852;decimation;the problem is that in democracy, it's really easy to kill off projects, so nothing is built
991994;1422216855;nubbins`;"Professional carpenters never, ever, EVER smoke in the shop. It's an incredible fire hazard as well as a personal danger since stimulants can increase the risk of slippage on a power tool. My father was an avid chain smoker and would never allow tobacco in his work area."
991995;1422216874;mircea_popescu;decimation sure, but on the other hand the job of politics is to avoid placing the table on the toes.
991996;1422216881;ben_vulpes;thestringpuller: smokes, let's go.
991997;1422216886;decimation;mircea_popescu: although in this particular case, the neighborhoods were saved and they ended up full of broken families anyway
991998;1422216921;mircea_popescu;well yes. politics doesn't work, we know that going in.
991999;1422217052;decimation;this robert moses guy singlehandedly paved over many minority communities all around the northeast
992000;1422217204;mircea_popescu;http://38.media.tumblr.com/663d73bfaf012e37a252ea40446c14ff/tumblr_ngp5fkkC3O1tghbqho1_500.gif << why boobjobs exist
992001;1422217206;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1zbubIR )
992002;1422217344;thestringpuller;mircea_popescu: those definitely look real.
992003;1422217357;mircea_popescu;yeah. real bad.
992004;1422217382;thestringpuller;i would hate to fast forward 20 years tho
992005;1422217403;thestringpuller;swing low sweet chariot
992006;1422217407;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13800 @ 0.00049654 = 6.8523 BTC [-]
992007;1422217533;mircea_popescu;nubbins`: i suspect smoothie from the forums is kinda stupid << generally known as such. his behaviour throughout was, to quote hanbot "nothing short of bizarre"
992008;1422217587;mircea_popescu;hm.... i never knew an "artisan" that works wood by the truckload ? this is akin to someone claiming to be dali explaining how he gets a truckload of paint a week...'
992009;1422217613;thestringpuller;!b 1
992010;1422217614;assbot;Last 1 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/3J3CJZ2.txt )
992011;1422217835;mircea_popescu;assbot: Tinder Makes Its First Match in Antarctica -- The Cut  << speaking oif which : the brave mthreat amongst us is going on a south pole expedition like next week
992012;1422217846;mircea_popescu;and he's going to try an' broadcast a btc txn from down there.
992013;1422217966;mircea_popescu;fluffypony: ben_vulpes: that's precisely the current Monero architecture << heh. apparently sanity is not a luxury product.
992014;1422218022;mircea_popescu;coderwill: I was following a conversation on GitHub for Bitcoin.org, and found it interesting that Circle has explicitly requested to be removed from the site because it targets a different demographic from what they are searching for. << yeah., circle is looking for suckers / idiots / people who refuse to think.
992015;1422218103;thestringpuller;;;ticker
992016;1422218104;gribble;Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 249.02, Best ask: 249.23, Bid-ask spread: 0.21000, Last trade: 249.23, 24 hour volume: 23858.11300772, 24 hour low: 241.33, 24 hour high: 255.0, 24 hour vwap: 248.526571821
992017;1422218117;mircea_popescu;decimation: I didn't realize that the Crimea was filled with Tartars << golden horde sez nothing to you ?
992018;1422218142;mircea_popescu;davout: seems to me that folks from /r/buttcoin are an order of magnitude less retarded than those in /r/bitcoin << this is true.
992019;1422218203;mircea_popescu;one group is motivated by greed, which brings all the idiots out of the woodwork. the other group is motivated by broken ideology, which HAS a barrier to entry, because you can't adhere to an ideology and act on that basis if you're arbitrarily stupid.
992020;1422218239;mircea_popescu;it's true that you can't be smarter than Y, but you also can't be stupider than Y, and so the average will always be over Y which is not an average /r/bitcoin looks likely to reach.
992021;1422218251;mircea_popescu;but this because of what /r/ is, not because of what bitcoin is.
992022;1422218257;decimation;yeah I knew tartars/turkic peoples were scattered around the middle and eastern parts of asiatic ru, but I didn't realize they had taken up around Sevastopol
992023;1422218277;mircea_popescu;there was a historically important tatar state there,
992024;1422218285;mircea_popescu;at times more important than the muscovy duchy etc.
992025;1422218306;thestringpuller;what happens when all these VC fueled comapnies fail? Do we just go in an plunder them and shit?
992026;1422218308;mircea_popescu;this is what one means when he says "lithuanian situation is complicated".
992027;1422218321;thestringpuller;;;ud lituation
992028;1422218322;gribble;http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Lituation | You go to the bodega and a chicken cutlet is half off and they give you a free bag of chips and an Arizona because they know you. That's a lituation.
992029;1422218327;mircea_popescu;you could in fact pretend like wait, "give russia back to the tatars"
992030;1422218374;decimation;putin's landgrab of crimea has a great deal of historical and cultural importance, of which the west is almost completely ignorant
992031;1422218419;decimation;http://theden.tv/2015/01/24/jesuisusefulidiot-western-leaders-exploit-the-paris-attacks/ "What was the #JeSuisCharlie demonstration about if not about free speech then? The shortest answer would be: emopolitik. As Colin Liddell has defined it, emopolitik is: “the achievement of political goals and the destabilization of rival political systems through the selective mobilization and projection of decontextualized human emotions and
992032;1422218419;assbot;#JeSuisUsefulIdiot : Western Leaders Exploit the Paris Attacks | Thedening the West ... ( http://bit.ly/1yZqWRz )
992033;1422218420;decimation;sympathies through social media.”"
992034;1422218436;mircea_popescu;well, "the west" in the sense of, "west of ozarks" are people who live in states bordered by straight lines.
992035;1422218451;mircea_popescu;obviously they imagine the world is you know, someone just walked out with a ruler cca 100 years ago
992036;1422218477;decimation;but 'that's how we do things here?'
992037;1422218486;mircea_popescu;decimation yep, that's pretty much what that was
992038;1422218507;decimation;"Concretely, this has meant giving massive publicity and a momentous political significance to the 17 people killed in the Charlie Hebdo and related attacks. This contrasts sharply with the treatment given to any number of other recent tragedies: the 1,400 girls raped by largely Pakistani gangs in Rotherham, England, the tens of thousands of victims of Islamist terrorism in Syria, and the over 4,000 people killed in the Donbass
992039;1422218509;decimation;region of Ukraine have not been given the same significance by the Brahmin classes of the West."
992040;1422218541;mircea_popescu;more relevant to our interests : the one public prosecutor murdered by the argentine state in argentina.
992041;1422218548;mircea_popescu;that's what i care about : statal terrorism.
992042;1422218582;mircea_popescu;three guys that fire weapons by hand are not my concern. three million dickless schmucks sitting behind desks, those are the problem.
992043;1422218662;decimation;sitting behind a desk breeds a kind of passive-agressive posturing syndrome
992044;1422218713;mircea_popescu;which has to be beaten out of the afflicted, for everyone's benefit.
992045;1422218726;thestringpuller;^- it's still a public service tho
992046;1422218727;thestringpuller;:D
992047;1422218955;davout;decimation: "emopolitik" <<< this i like
992048;1422219055;decimation;davout: yeah it's a good term.  note that emopolitik is called "political strategy" in the democratic west
992049;1422219094;mircea_popescu;well because the intellect is rarely functioning and universaly expensive to fire up, whereas the emoprocessor is always on.
992050;1422219109;mircea_popescu;so of course any headcount-based system will try to talk to the latter.
992051;1422219143;mircea_popescu;this is why you don't want "universal suffrage" : it makes politics a matter of emo manipulation, like marketing.
992052;1422219172;decimation;"system 1" thinking vice "system 2" thinking
992053;1422219320;mircea_popescu;anyway, the solution is quite simple : do not give everyone voice. have a voicing procedure in place.
992054;1422219346;mircea_popescu;and the solution will prevail because the problems universal suffrage straddles its practitioners with are not only unresolvable, but actually heavier than the sum benefits.
992055;1422219352;mircea_popescu;and as  such... it fails on its own.
992056;1422219364;decimation;mircea_popescu: one wonders why newspapers haven't caught onto this idea
992057;1422219391;mircea_popescu; the intellect is rarely functioning and universaly expensive to fire up
992058;1422219469;mircea_popescu;the only sort of situation where US systems approach survivability are very plain, obvious questions that everyone, even a turtle, would get right.
992059;1422219481;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22963 @ 0.00049352 = 11.3327 BTC [-] {3} 
992060;1422219495;mircea_popescu;which is whence the crisis-oriented politics of all US sytems comes from. the only time the US US made sense was during war with germany. "either yer fer or against!"
992061;1422219536;mircea_popescu;so in general, sanity only needs very minimal measures to defend itself from the otherwise doomed attempts to relevancy of the us-ists : keep issues from becoming simple matters.
992062;1422219541;mircea_popescu;not a hard task these days.
992063;1422219573;mircea_popescu;(US = universal suffrage, not united states)
992064;1422219786;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 42700 @ 0.00048548 = 20.73 BTC [-] {3} 
992065;1422220817;jurov;https://i.imgur.com/e1b0wCC.jpg i had no idea!
992066;1422220819;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1uNqA25 )
992067;1422221024;mats;so meta
992068;1422221616;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16865 @ 0.00049721 = 8.3854 BTC [+]
992069;1422223060;jurov;lxr is same incredibly warty crufty stuff as mailman.. but seems i got it working somehow
992070;1422223064;jurov;http://ml.btc.yt/lxr/satoshi/source/
992071;1422223072;jurov;oops http://btc.yt/lxr/satoshi/source/
992072;1422223073;assbot;Satoshi 0.5.3.chicken/ ... ( http://bit.ly/1L8WsDa )
992073;1422223202;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10100 @ 0.00048866 = 4.9355 BTC [-]
992074;1422223541;mircea_popescu;http://trilema.com/2015/ok-so-what-is-bitcoin-disrupting/ << my modest etnry to "most important article published on the Internet in 2015"
992075;1422223542;assbot;Ok, so what is Bitcoin disrupting ? pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.  ... ( http://bit.ly/1L8XsqO )
992076;1422223566;mircea_popescu;wd jumae
992077;1422223570;mircea_popescu;oops. wd jurov *
992078;1422223659;jurov;if it had go parser, i'd put btcd there too
992079;1422223710;mircea_popescu;there must be one
992080;1422223728;mircea_popescu;gsuneido/parse.go  ?
992081;1422223746;mircea_popescu;oh nm, i think this goes the other way
992082;1422223752;jurov;well... lxr is in perl
992083;1422223828;jurov;maybe someday
992084;1422223873;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13500 @ 0.00049081 = 6.6259 BTC [+] {2} 
992085;1422224491;mircea_popescu;His mastery of the skill comes not from his ability to "cut around the lines" but in that he can from start to finish carve on some of the most difficult woods in the world to work with. Wood that 80% of your so called "master carvers" as they claim on youtube and the woodworking forums would not touch in a hundred years because it takes some serious talent to carve them.
992086;1422224496;mircea_popescu;im sorry... wut ?!
992087;1422224507;mircea_popescu;apparently the average chump believes talent to be a sort of spark-of-superman.
992088;1422224548;mircea_popescu;maybe woodcollector should carve a block of boron carbide next, as a super-show of his super-talents.
992089;1422225093;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26792 @ 0.00050569 = 13.5484 BTC [+] {3} 
992090;1422225780;mircea_popescu;!up beautyon
992091;1422226374;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11400 @ 0.00050561 = 5.764 BTC [-] {2} 
992092;1422226809;mircea_popescu;http://tineye.com/search/60e43776e135af28e87b8d20f5facf024eb0b6c0/
992093;1422226813;assbot;0 results - TinEye ... ( http://bit.ly/15xVDTk )
992094;1422226813;mircea_popescu;very useful ;/
992095;1422226837;mircea_popescu;if anyone wants to know what happens to "exciting revolutionary start-ups" once the burn rate burns through... tin eye is a fine example.
992096;1422226847;mircea_popescu;can't fucking find well known sets that are all over the interwebs.
992097;1422228021;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20950 @ 0.00049087 = 10.2837 BTC [-]
992098;1422228055;Naphex;https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=762075 lmao, mlm + ponzi scam kicking it up.
992099;1422228056;assbot;[ANN] BitClub Network - Passive Bitcoin Mining Opportunity NOW LIVE! ... ( http://bit.ly/15y06FE )
992100;1422228128;mircea_popescu;"This sounds like a legit deal to me because the bitcoin mining can keep it going."
992101;1422228132;mircea_popescu;forum in a sentence.
992102;1422228150;Naphex;apparently a lot of romanians & italians are biting on it
992103;1422228173;Naphex;they get hooked irl ;o
992104;1422228194;mircea_popescu;gotta lose their bitcoins somehow.
992105;1422228373;mircea_popescu;!up BombaUcigasa_
992106;1422228375;mircea_popescu;!up CoraCrisT
992107;1422228380;BombaUcigasa_;salut MP
992108;1422228381;CoraCrisT;hey mircea_popescu . thanks!
992109;1422228386;mircea_popescu;np np
992110;1422228389;BombaUcigasa_;nu sunt auth ca e web
992111;1422228414;BombaUcigasa_;am intrat sa vad discutia cu link-ul lui Naphex
992112;1422228428;mircea_popescu;tis an english chan you know
992113;1422228448;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9300 @ 0.00048649 = 4.5244 BTC [-]
992114;1422228498;BombaUcigasa_;much regret, very forgetful, many mistake
992115;1422228506;mircea_popescu;lol.
992116;1422228519;mircea_popescu;anyway, what discussion, flavour of the week tardstalk scam
992117;1422228521;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu, ben_vulpes, anyone else who is interested in node on 'pogo' - buy yourself the box (pogo model 4.) i intend to post a recipe soon.
992118;1422228540;mircea_popescu;whole shebang ? pretty cool.
992119;1422228541;BombaUcigasa_;onecoin/btcclub convoluted "mining"/MLM schemes
992120;1422228579;CoraCrisT;and don`t forget "the marketing plan" . they have all figured out it seems
992121;1422228597;CoraCrisT;just waiting for the horde to join
992122;1422228645;mircea_popescu;eh, read up on the ognasty thing , or the diablo whatever that was for the classics of the genre
992123;1422228674;mircea_popescu;i suppose now that garza packed it, buncha noobs will be trying for the "first best largest" bitcoin scam thing.
992124;1422228804;mircea_popescu;http://40.media.tumblr.com/40d5ac3fd9993ba9c6cc78f0b84b081c/tumblr_ndv41usdYt1tf8ygvo1_1280.jpg << dacia ftw.
992125;1422228806;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/15y2zjt )
992126;1422228808;CoraCrisT;and many more will fallow..
992127;1422228836;CoraCrisT;i love the high heels... they go great with the rustic roads back home
992128;1422228846;CoraCrisT;:X
992129;1422228969;BombaUcigasa_;dacia?
992130;1422229302;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7750 @ 0.00050656 = 3.9258 BTC [+]
992131;1422229328;BombaUcigasa_;nu vad http://trilema.com/2015/ok-so-what-is-bitcoin-disrupting/, nu ma prind, e o problema cu site-ul, nu apare postul ...
992132;1422229328;assbot;Page not found pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.  ... ( http://bit.ly/15y4g06 )
992133;1422229384;BombaUcigasa_;it works now
992134;1422229556;mats;http://n0where.net/wpa2-halfhandshake-crack a new attack, i believe
992135;1422229558;assbot;WPA2 HalfHandshake Crack ... ( http://bit.ly/15y51X6 )
992136;1422229619;asciilifeform;mats: dictionary attack, snore.
992137;1422229706;mats;yeah. there are also easier attacks if you mean to go the rogue AP route.
992138;1422229852;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 1263 @ 0.00098375 = 1.2425 BTC [+]
992139;1422229956;thestringpuller;;;seen BingoBoingo
992140;1422229956;gribble;BingoBoingo was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 2 days, 12 hours, 29 minutes, and 0 seconds ago: <BingoBoingo> asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: perhaps we have your new pc here. << very interesting
992141;1422229984;thestringpuller;^- your ip is showing
992142;1422230181;thestringpuller;;;ticker
992143;1422230182;gribble;Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 254.41, Best ask: 254.94, Bid-ask spread: 0.53000, Last trade: 254.4, 24 hour volume: 28837.40598966, 24 hour low: 241.33, 24 hour high: 257.0, 24 hour vwap: 249.600325346
992144;1422230827;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24619 @ 0.00049955 = 12.2984 BTC [-] {2} 
992145;1422230888;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5931 @ 0.00047265 = 2.8033 BTC [-] {2} 
992146;1422232353;Adlai;anybody else see wtf just happened on btce
992147;1422232366;davout;Adlai: do tell
992148;1422232393;Adlai;1min candle: high 261.64 low 240.01
992149;1422232549;Adlai;it looked quite similar to what happened a few months back on bitfinex where the order book reported an out of date book about $20 below the current one
992150;1422232581;Adlai;except that this now reports trades, and low limit orders got executed
992151;1422232614;Adlai;i guess it's nothing compared to some previous flash sells, just caught me by surprise because it happened in front of my eyes
992152;1422232689;davout;hory shet
992153;1422232817;davout;way to shoot up
992154;1422233135;ben_vulpes;;;ticker
992155;1422233136;gribble;Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 259.44, Best ask: 260.45, Bid-ask spread: 1.01000, Last trade: 260.44, 24 hour volume: 30063.99864451, 24 hour low: 241.33, 24 hour high: 263.2, 24 hour vwap: 250.107871168
992156;1422233181;Adlai;;;ticker --market btce
992157;1422233181;gribble;BTC-E BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 254.956, Best ask: 254.972, Bid-ask spread: 0.01600, Last trade: 254.972, 24 hour volume: 18007.40965, 24 hour low: 239.013, 24 hour high: 263.0, 24 hour vwap: 251.0065
992158;1422233185;mircea_popescu;Adlai web exchanges realligning to otc, what's the big deal ?
992159;1422233207;Adlai;the slippage :)
992160;1422233211;ben_vulpes;how can one align to otc
992161;1422233212;mircea_popescu;yeah well.
992162;1422233214;ben_vulpes;there's no price signal
992163;1422233229;Adlai;to learn of the otc, you must become otc
992164;1422233235;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=20-01-2015#984699 etc
992165;1422233235;assbot;Logged on 20-01-2015 19:39:33; mircea_popescu: but that's less important. what's more important is, bitcoin has no price signal and you propose to do derivatives. well... got some questions to answer.
992166;1422233273;ben_vulpes;anyways, first sunny day in months and the hipsters set the badminton net up *smack* in the middle of the swamp
992167;1422233274;ben_vulpes;must be spring
992168;1422233286;ben_vulpes;meanwhile blizzard in nyc
992169;1422233327;thestringpuller;gonna be good snowboarding this week lol
992170;1422233346;thestringpuller;aspen niggas rubbin it in
992171;1422233671;mats;http://www.theguardian.com/technology/2015/jan/25/wikileaks-google-staff-emails-us-government
992172;1422233673;assbot;WikiLeaks demands answers after Google hands staff emails to US government | Technology | The Guardian ... ( http://bit.ly/1yiIapm )
992173;1422233974;mircea_popescu;answers as in... what ? "yes, fuck you." ?
992174;1422234076;Adlai;for who will leak upon the leakers themselves/
992175;1422234121;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23100 @ 0.00050033 = 11.5576 BTC [+]
992176;1422234155;mircea_popescu;"us company subsisting out of us fed subsidies fails to implement usg policy. is replaced with different one, nobody notices the difference."
992177;1422234156;mircea_popescu;wtf.
992178;1422234426;mats;replaced? schmidt has been a USG cocksucker since day 1
992179;1422234697;mircea_popescu;that was kinda my point. what exactly would be the alternative here, google demures ? how.
992180;1422234882;mircea_popescu;the usg is not going to like people fucking up its shit. that's not changing. google isn't going to start acting like anything but a usg agent. that's also not changing. what are teh staffers in question expect will happen, or expected will have happened ?
992181;1422234934;mircea_popescu;what's next, ima write letters to the vessenes fake foundation about how their power rangers are fucking up bitcoin ?
992182;1422234935;mircea_popescu;duh.
992183;1422235097;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6850 @ 0.00050322 = 3.4471 BTC [+] {2} 
992184;1422235129;pete_dushenski;might as well complain to the troika that they're pwning the periphery
992185;1422235171;pete_dushenski;or to apple that they're updates make everything worse
992186;1422235203;pete_dushenski;that's sorta the point of their continued existence
992187;1422235421;thestringpuller;mircea_popescu: what's next, ima write letters to the vessenes << Maybe it's because I have autism, but why would you write them letters when you can publicly condemn?
992188;1422235450;thestringpuller;"Dear Mr. Vessenes', You are a poop. Signed, mircea_popescu "
992189;1422235524;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 5000 @ 0.00099881 = 4.9941 BTC [+] {10} 
992190;1422235591;jurov;mircea can just twitterkill him
992191;1422235708;pete_dushenski;i can twitterkill vessenes
992192;1422235716;pete_dushenski;mp can't, gotta have twitter
992193;1422235864;thestringpuller;teach me twitter fu pete_dushenski
992194;1422235891;pete_dushenski;patience, grasshopper
992195;1422235920;pete_dushenski;first, you must learn to scrub floors
992196;1422235934;pete_dushenski;then you must learn to clean dishes
992197;1422235949;pete_dushenski;then you must learn to sew clothes
992198;1422235977;pete_dushenski;then, and only then, will i teach you the ways of the internet
992199;1422236118;pete_dushenski;Andreessen Horowitz is heading up a $58 million round of investment in TransferWise
992200;1422236127;pete_dushenski;Founded in 2011 and built by ex-Skype and PayPal engineers with the aim of making it easier (read: cheaper) to transfer pounds to euros, TransferWise says that it will be using the funds to fuel its global expansion.
992201;1422236135;thestringpuller;pete_dushenski: i love the jew fro.
992202;1422236146;thestringpuller;It's majestic af.
992203;1422236171;pete_dushenski;it definitely draws attention
992204;1422236172;jurov;such romance (*^*)
992205;1422236187;pete_dushenski;lol
992206;1422236195;pete_dushenski;such fambly, this cult
992207;1422236198;thestringpuller;jurov: I think you mean bromance!
992208;1422236216;pete_dushenski;thestringpuller: wait, you're a dude?!
992209;1422236225;*;pete_dushenski kidding!
992210;1422236257;thestringpuller;XD
992211;1422236300;thestringpuller;I think I'm going to fulfill my Volvo dream pete_dushenski cause of your blog post lol
992212;1422236328;pete_dushenski;see guise! blogging works!
992213;1422236345;pete_dushenski;thestringpuller: you ever have a blog?
992214;1422236359;thestringpuller;anything I really post is on thestringpuller.tumblr.com
992215;1422236385;mats;tumblr blog. adorbs.
992216;1422236392;thestringpuller;I was thinking of that story I put in the comments of your post. ANd was like "Why not get a volvo? It's gonna outlast most bitcoin businesses while being 30 years old as is."
992217;1422236416;thestringpuller;mats: I KNO RITE. Not as adorable as my Xanga blog was.
992218;1422236454;pete_dushenski;thestringpuller: lmao i love that dylan scene from chappelle
992219;1422236465;pete_dushenski;"name da 5 best rappers of all time"
992220;1422236473;mats;whoa, xanga. i haven't seen that name in almost a decade.
992221;1422236478;pete_dushenski;"dylan, dylan, dylan, dylan, and dylan"
992222;1422236492;*;mats reflects on fond memories of social networks in early 2000
992223;1422236501;thestringpuller;pete_dushenski: Yah! Because of people like Dylan, we can't have nice things.
992224;1422236517;thestringpuller;mats: Ya. My teenage school years. Such angst, such proto-social-networking.
992225;1422236544;thestringpuller;MySpace. Lawls.
992226;1422236580;pete_dushenski;;;later tell peterl hey can we get thestringpuller.tumblr.com added to bablogs?
992227;1422236581;gribble;The operation succeeded.
992228;1422236634;thestringpuller;pete_dushenski: does your Benz take diesel?
992229;1422236645;pete_dushenski;eh no. it's not a tractor.
992230;1422236645;thestringpuller;Haven't really done my reading yet. XD
992231;1422236682;thestringpuller;My buddy had a diesel benz in high school. That thing was a beast, p. much a tractor, but man you could abuse that thing and it'd still show love 800 miles from home.
992232;1422236717;thestringpuller;I love cars like that. Shit you can drive in Siberia with 0 maintenance (like an asshole car owner), but the machine still chugs.
992233;1422236782;pete_dushenski;well i basically live in siberia with health care so i guess that makes saddam perfect
992234;1422236804;pete_dushenski;(my 560 is named "saddam" in case you missed that
992235;1422236806;pete_dushenski;)
992236;1422236875;thestringpuller;My buddy kept trying to convince me to get an E30 325 by BMW circa 1989
992237;1422236909;thestringpuller;which I admit is tempting, but in the same sense as candy is tempting ~_~
992238;1422237115;pete_dushenski;the e30 was built in an era when only entry-level cars failed completely after a few year
992239;1422237135;pete_dushenski;back then, the higher-end motors were expected to keep truckin' for decades
992240;1422237140;pete_dushenski;as they evidently have
992241;1422237174;pete_dushenski;of course, in the mid to late 90's, automakers figured out that all cars, regardless of upfront cost, should self-immolate after 10 years
992242;1422237181;pete_dushenski;if not sooner
992243;1422237188;thestringpuller;Ya. What's up with that?!?
992244;1422237198;pete_dushenski;ideally, from their perspective, cars would crap out as soon as the warranty expired
992245;1422237216;pete_dushenski;and have so many electrical gremlins that they'd be impossible to repair thereafter
992246;1422237217;thestringpuller;it's like Jobs' ideas behind the iPod
992247;1422237227;thestringpuller;warranty expires the day the battery dies
992248;1422237233;pete_dushenski;carmakers have been getting better and better at this
992249;1422237238;pete_dushenski;i think they're almost there
992250;1422237263;thestringpuller;some cars seem to be holding their own against the trend.
992251;1422237283;pete_dushenski;toyota, perhaps
992252;1422237321;thestringpuller;ya, mah girl has a Camry from 94-95 or something almost 200k miles on it and it runs fine. Road trip worthy and all.
992253;1422237324;pete_dushenski;but the increased homogeny between brands, a function of their sharing tier 1 and 2 suppliers, is hampering even the best of intentions
992254;1422237348;pete_dushenski;thestringpuller: but that's a 20-year-old car now
992255;1422237367;thestringpuller;pete_dushenski: yea but was crafted in mind 90's when the trend started
992256;1422237380;pete_dushenski;this is also why recalls are spanning unprecented numbers of cars, and stretching across brands at the same time
992257;1422237390;pete_dushenski;the japanese are slow
992258;1422237403;pete_dushenski;their morality is different
992259;1422237414;pete_dushenski;they have a culture of longevity
992260;1422237415;thestringpuller;thestringpuller:  is hampering even the best of intentions << this is why tesla was able to get through even with mafia style racket in place.
992261;1422237433;thestringpuller;They are hedging on parts outlasting the warranty tho.
992262;1422237486;pete_dushenski;tesla is an interesting case study in incentives
992263;1422237492;mats;a reading of 'Consumer Reports' from some years ago suggests that cars are lasting longer...
992264;1422237506;pete_dushenski;obama needed a poster child, and tesla has definitely been one of his success stories
992265;1422237513;thestringpuller;^- i kno rite
992266;1422237519;pete_dushenski;the company is entirely dependent on government subsidies
992267;1422237524;thestringpuller;i hate that tho. that there fame lies in that rather than just pure industry.
992268;1422237531;thestringpuller;and also "welfare"
992269;1422237550;pete_dushenski;consumer reports is "independent" but hardly impervious to cajoling
992270;1422237567;thestringpuller;tesla's suppliers are definitely trying to reverse the quality trend
992271;1422237580;pete_dushenski;the tesla model s couldn't have been anything other than "the best piece of engineering since apollo 11"
992272;1422237590;thestringpuller;XD
992273;1422237593;thestringpuller;such hyperbole
992274;1422237609;thestringpuller;but like the modern Maybach i.e.
992275;1422237614;pete_dushenski;thestringpuller: it's in the interest of the suppliers to ensure that they have business in the future
992276;1422237651;thestringpuller;rap couldn't truly save the maybach, but it's one of those dream cars that actually fulfills the dream from my limited experience at least.
992277;1422237661;pete_dushenski;the modernest of the maybachs is just an s-class trim line now
992278;1422237681;thestringpuller;yah the most modern. i was speaking druing the infancy of maybach music
992279;1422237691;thestringpuller;the maybach that picked up lil wayne from prison etc.
992280;1422237697;pete_dushenski;the last one was bespoke, but a dud compared to the phantom
992281;1422237718;thestringpuller;^- this is why jeezy doesn't ride in maybachs
992282;1422237721;thestringpuller;which is interesting
992283;1422237767;pete_dushenski;ya i don't get the maybach at all
992284;1422237769;thestringpuller;didn't know you were the channel car guy, but again guess I haven't done my reading
992285;1422237775;pete_dushenski;maybe it's too arriviste for me
992286;1422237799;pete_dushenski;lol i didn't exactly advertise it
992287;1422237816;pete_dushenski;besides, onions are more interesting to hang out with ;)
992288;1422237816;thestringpuller;well it's dope cause I love working on automotive machiens
992289;1422237817;mircea_popescu;pete_dushenski> mp can't, gotta have twitter << twitter, this single shot rifle
992290;1422237822;mircea_popescu;sorta like a broom
992291;1422237848;thestringpuller;mircea_popescu: but you can ride brooms and play quidditch and stuff
992292;1422237851;pete_dushenski;more like a mop, really
992293;1422237872;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: obligatory: http://www.krasnoyeznamya.ru/gallery/rm_21_489.jpg
992294;1422237873;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/15ywCas )
992295;1422237891;mircea_popescu;mats> whoa, xanga. i haven't seen that name in almost a decade. << that azn chick still blogs on it.
992296;1422237894;pete_dushenski;twitter: soggy, used mostly by intellectual janitors. yup, that'd be a mop
992297;1422237926;mats;who?
992298;1422237942;BingoBoingo;I live. Got hooked into judging at a college debate tournament this weekend for quick fiat and an anthropological study of the reddit derp in the physical world.
992299;1422237951;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform quite lol
992300;1422237956;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo hey this was a shitty bender.
992301;1422237961;thestringpuller;BingoBoingo: i totally forgot.
992302;1422237965;mircea_popescu;bet pool was giving you like a week an shit
992303;1422238015;mircea_popescu;http://40.media.tumblr.com/1bec07183b67b4101135a2d13acd5a92/tumblr_nblgzjOuLg1tku1fwo1_1280.jpg << "now sit your ass down..."
992304;1422238017;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/15yxbBf )
992305;1422238029;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: Only drank Friday night. Saturday night my loss of faith in the USian college leaders of the future pushed me into unassisted slumber.
992306;1422238053;mircea_popescu;eh don't judge the kids too harshy
992307;1422238057;mircea_popescu;they're virgins.
992308;1422238060;thestringpuller;XD
992309;1422238068;mircea_popescu;http://41.media.tumblr.com/bdb52bfba9b0b6f1fadb13ad57518626/tumblr_nblgyb5N0U1tku1fwo1_1280.jpg
992310;1422238070;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/15yxnR8 )
992311;1422238077;thestringpuller;mircea_popescu is growing into the "nice grandpa" and not grumpy old man.
992312;1422238096;mats;good one
992313;1422238117;mircea_popescu;http://40.media.tumblr.com/dbd560e399f2fcac62c14ed4d672bc22/tumblr_nbnan2prwQ1tj17cio1_1280.jpg << are these handcarved dogs ? or wts is that milling machine ?
992314;1422238119;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/15yxyvK )
992315;1422238146;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: toy car radio remote.
992316;1422238155;mircea_popescu;ah k
992317;1422238164;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: I actually got to hear it argued today that manned spaceflight is bad, because science is aligned against queer people and because science is aligned against queer people we should embrace human extinction.
992318;1422238183;BingoBoingo;I did not get to judge that round, but the nihilist "won"
992319;1422238195;mircea_popescu;did he win a .22 ?
992320;1422238201;asciilifeform;!b 3
992321;1422238202;assbot;Last 3 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/028NZSE.txt )
992322;1422238233;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: Maybe if I had a ballot that round.
992323;1422238276;mircea_popescu;http://40.media.tumblr.com/05e18ad19e50e3bb3f6828669fc88e86/tumblr_nboxos3khZ1s3k2n4o2_500.jpg athlete tit.
992324;1422238277;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1zLAEd8 )
992325;1422238277;BingoBoingo;On the plus side I also got to judge speech events, which meant I literally got to watch minstrel shows and liberals were ok with it.
992326;1422238322;BingoBoingo;!up moldysnizz
992327;1422238335;*;moldysnizz waves
992328;1422238380;moldysnizz;I really need to dig out my old workstation for my other signing keys. It would be nice to be back on the WoT
992329;1422238382;BingoBoingo;If I were drunk though I prolly would have IRC'd on the hostile campus wifi. I am so happy to have civilized internet again.
992330;1422238511;moldysnizz;BingoBoingo, have yo had a chance to watch "The Rise and Rise of Bitcoin"?
992331;1422238513;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6586 @ 0.00050253 = 3.3097 BTC [-]
992332;1422238521;BingoBoingo;moldysnizz: Nope, life is too short.
992333;1422238536;moldysnizz;*chuckle* I rather enjoyed it.
992334;1422238653;BingoBoingo;I might see it eventually. I am just so thrilled though that yesterday I got to watch actual minstrel shows performed for free.
992335;1422238676;moldysnizz;=D How'd that come to be?
992336;1422238713;BingoBoingo;moldysnizz: Just before you got here http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=26-01-2015#992298
992337;1422238713;assbot;Logged on 26-01-2015 02:05:42; BingoBoingo: I live. Got hooked into judging at a college debate tournament this weekend for quick fiat and an anthropological study of the reddit derp in the physical world.
992338;1422238940;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22956 @ 0.00050596 = 11.6148 BTC [+]
992339;1422238945;moldysnizz;oo fun!
992340;1422238954;moldysnizz;flask?
992341;1422238963;pete_dushenski;Anti-austerity Syriza party has won Greece's general election, putting the country on a possible collision course with the EU over its massive bailout.
992342;1422239007;pete_dushenski;default time in the land of olive oil ?
992343;1422239011;BingoBoingo;moldysnizz: If I did it again...
992344;1422239208;ben_vulpes;wb BingoBoingo
992345;1422239240;BingoBoingo;ben_vulpes: Howdy.
992346;1422239280;BingoBoingo;Imma spend a few hours now reading trilema and listening to Lynyrd Skynyrd to get the liberal brainwashing out.
992347;1422239286;BingoBoingo;!up gabriel_laddel
992348;1422239309;gabriel_laddel;http://i.imgur.com/YDS7DZR.png http://i.imgur.com/er5HT6O.png http://i.imgur.com/nsvxhzs.png http://i.imgur.com/Ius6a3h.png
992349;1422239311;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/15yBJYf )
992350;1422239312;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/15yBL2r )
992351;1422239313;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/15yBKeP )
992352;1422239315;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/15yBLzs )
992353;1422239324;gabriel_laddel;screenshots of programs that come with the #b-a distro by default.
992354;1422239325;ben_vulpes;how've you been? what've you been doing?
992355;1422239341;gabriel_laddel;I've been well enough. Working on the same project.
992356;1422239351;asciilifeform;gabriel_laddel: macsyma ?
992357;1422239353;asciilifeform;!s macsyma
992358;1422239353;assbot;3 results for 'macsyma' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=macsyma
992359;1422239360;gabriel_laddel;asciilifeform: yep.
992360;1422239368;gabriel_laddel;but with true3d plotting
992361;1422239370;ben_vulpes;mlol i was talking to BingoBoingo, but same goes for you as well
992362;1422239384;ben_vulpes;glad to see your distro in channel
992363;1422239397;gabriel_laddel;ben_vulpes: lol thanks.
992364;1422239418;ben_vulpes;care to talk a little more about this distro upon which you've been working?
992365;1422239433;BingoBoingo;gabriel_laddel: We have a distro nao?
992366;1422239443;BingoBoingo;ben_vulpes: Infiltrating IRL reddit.
992367;1422239448;gabriel_laddel;BingoBoingo: I'm working on one, yes.
992368;1422239451;gabriel_laddel;Built on top of funtoo
992369;1422239463;BingoBoingo;gabriel_laddel: Must build on Vax.
992370;1422239471;gabriel_laddel;ben_vulpes: I'll write something up now
992371;1422239478;ben_vulpes;neat stuff
992372;1422239485;ben_vulpes;!rate gabrial_laddel 1 not really new blood any more
992373;1422239485;assbot;gabrial_laddel is not registered in WoT.
992374;1422239492;ben_vulpes;!rate gabriel_laddel 1 not really new blood any more
992375;1422239492;assbot;Request successful, get your OTP: http://w.b-a.link/otp/63510a95016a3e34
992376;1422239513;gabriel_laddel;yeah I need to get on that.
992377;1422239521;ben_vulpes;!v assbot:ben_vulpes.rate.gabriel_laddel.1:0fa2dead241f26026429deff8283cec0a1ab17b93ef5ece1fb5361eb7cfbe12a
992378;1422239521;assbot;Successfully updated the rating for gabriel_laddel from 1 to 1 with note: not really new blood any more
992379;1422239522;ben_vulpes;
992380;1422239534;ben_vulpes;gabriel_laddel: still have those keys?
992381;1422239546;gabriel_laddel;nope.
992382;1422239553;gabriel_laddel;destroyed in a failed backup :/
992383;1422239589;ben_vulpes;ah, sux.
992384;1422239605;ben_vulpes;best time to plant a tree and all that
992385;1422239610;gabriel_laddel;yep
992386;1422239629;gabriel_laddel;though from a rating perspective, I don't think it matters if I wait until I release the distro
992387;1422239668;*;ben_vulpes shrugs
992388;1422239674;ben_vulpes;again, best time to plant a tree.
992389;1422239680;ben_vulpes;no sense putting it off.
992390;1422239707;ben_vulpes;victory goes not to those who are merely decisive of mind, but only to those who are also swift of action.
992391;1422239768;thestringpuller;^- Always in a rush to the grave.
992392;1422239780;thestringpuller;"Stay awhile and listen" :)
992393;1422239901;BingoBoingo;;;later tell nubbins' https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=935115.msg10257245#msg10257245 << Why would a professional cabinet maker do it to "put himself through college"
992394;1422239902;assbot;Videos of WoodCollector Hand Carving: Care of MOB ... ( http://bit.ly/15yDBAp )
992395;1422239902;gribble;The operation succeeded.
992396;1422239988;ben_vulpes;HAND GUIDED router << anyone who works with power shapers knows better than to hand guide a router
992397;1422240009;moldysnizz;ugh
992398;1422240074;BingoBoingo;Also... I smoke cigarettes a lot of places, but anywhere I'm generating a bunch of woodshavings is not that place.
992399;1422240162;punkman;pete_dushenski: default time in the land of olive oil ? << that was years ago
992400;1422240216;pete_dushenski;myea, well this'd be part infinity in that story
992401;1422240236;pete_dushenski;i agree, no one particularly cares if greece goes the way of atlantis
992402;1422240237;punkman;50-60% voter turnout, all-time low
992403;1422240247;pete_dushenski;we'll remember their contribution just as fondly
992404;1422240399;pete_dushenski;off to a late dinner, chip chip cheerio and all that
992405;1422240587;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6700 @ 0.00050253 = 3.367 BTC [-]
992406;1422240739;punkman;"Alexis Tsipras is a tin-pot communist. May his time in power be short and his actions easily revocable."
992407;1422240832;punkman;oh man the spain-tards sure love this guy
992408;1422241147;BingoBoingo;!up gabriel_laddel
992409;1422241206;gabriel_laddel;I've actually done very little development for this dirtro. Most of my time has been spent finding perfect little individual peices and assembling them. Out of the box it has:
992410;1422241206;gabriel_laddel;- documentation (current borked b/c of gentoo's USE flag problems - cyclic dependencies)
992411;1422241206;gabriel_laddel;- Conkeror browser hooked up to parenscript.
992412;1422241206;gabriel_laddel;- the best GUI library available on current architectures (CLIM - Commmon Lisp Interface Manager).
992413;1422241206;gabriel_laddel;  - millions LoC less than the browser, at least 10x more expressive.
992414;1422241206;gabriel_laddel;- based on funtoo, sources for all programs are included by default.
992415;1422241207;gabriel_laddel;- symbolic algebra via Maxima
992416;1422241207;gabriel_laddel;- 3D plotting facilities (animation, zooming etc.) No gnuplot or browser hackery.
992417;1422241207;gabriel_laddel;- state saving and restoration (currently broken)
992418;1422241208;gabriel_laddel;- lesson system
992419;1422241208;gabriel_laddel;- habit system
992420;1422241209;gabriel_laddel;- dashboard that reports e.g., LoC for the entire system.
992421;1422241209;gabriel_laddel;- js->ps transpiler (needs work)
992422;1422241210;gabriel_laddel;The browser, window manager, gui library and emacs are all connected to the same common lisp process and are explorable at runtime. Conkeror is based on Emacs and shares some of the same conceptual foundation, thus, the whole experience feels very lispy. The lessons system is 'dialed-in'. For example, you can specify that the user is to scroll to 80% of a particular URL, at which point you want the windows arranged
992423;1422241211;gabriel_laddel;1/2 emacs 1/2 clim gui and XYZ files open with a (emacs) window arrangement just so.
992424;1422241211;gabriel_laddel;The state saving facility allows for saving saving and restoration of all URLs, scroll locations, files and window arrangement on a whim. CLIM gui applications that obey the recommended architecture can also trivially plug into this system.
992425;1422241212;gabriel_laddel;There are several other things that simply "make sense", but have somehow not found their way into mainstream linux. One of which is the dashboard. Currently it lists how many lisp LoC and projects are running on the entire machine. It also manages the habits system and allows for one to say, practice mathematics for 1 hours a day without fail, at which point it restores the state prior to starting the habit.
992426;1422241251;gabriel_laddel;All state is saved via persistent CLOS by default.
992427;1422241292;gabriel_laddel;no explicit transactions etc. necessary. Just `setf' the state of the object in question.
992428;1422241302;asciilifeform;state saving and restoration << sbcl's 'save world and die' ?
992429;1422241334;gabriel_laddel;asciilifeform: Nope. Though I should include that. The state saving is for files, window layouts, urls and their scroll locations.
992430;1422241439;gabriel_laddel;asciilifeform: iirc that SBCL functionality needs some work before it is ready for production.
992431;1422241494;*;BingoBoingo is sarcastic when says needs to build on VAX, prolly should though.
992432;1422241501;*;BingoBoingo needs to get a working VAX
992433;1422241538;gabriel_laddel;If anyone has requests for things they'd like to see in a dream distro. Let me know.
992434;1422241589;thestringpuller;gabriel_laddel: A copy of SimCity 2000 built in.
992435;1422241696;ben_vulpes;gabriel_laddel: systemd
992436;1422241718;ben_vulpes;seriously though, sounds great. can't wait to give it a whirl.
992437;1422241746;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 32056 @ 0.00050818 = 16.2902 BTC [+] {4} 
992438;1422241752;asciilifeform;what's a habit system ?
992439;1422241806;gabriel_laddel;asciilifeform: say that you want to write a Captain's Log each day before going to sleep. Masamune formalizes this.
992440;1422241842;gabriel_laddel;And adds to it, e.g., when you start your daily mathematics practice it will pull up the previous state from where you left off.
992441;1422241876;ben_vulpes;is this a thing you wrote?
992442;1422241882;gabriel_laddel;ben_vulpes: yes.
992443;1422241933;danielpbarron;!up badbitcoinadmin
992444;1422241949;gabriel_laddel;Oh, I should note - no systemd.
992445;1422241968;punkman;badbitcoinadmin: did you steal all the coinz?
992446;1422242050;ben_vulpes;i was just joking, gabriel_laddel
992447;1422242055;ben_vulpes;but that's awesome
992448;1422242090;gabriel_laddel;ben_vulpes: I realize that, but no systemd should be considered a feature IMO. One I forgot to list.
992449;1422242095;badbitcoinadmin;punkman this is a role account for badbitcoin.org
992450;1422242129;badbitcoinadmin;badbitcoin.org is a specialty site taht focuses on tracking various coin scams & those running them
992451;1422242152;asciilifeform;lol! same 'badbitcoin' that was funded by gaw ?
992452;1422242159;BingoBoingo;!b 2
992453;1422242160;assbot;Last 2 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/1ZNPDC0.txt )
992454;1422242168;punkman;oh so he did steal all the coinz
992455;1422242193;punkman;badbitcoinadmin: are you in the wot? why "role account"?
992456;1422242194;*;BingoBoingo is about to crash into sleep, someone else is going to have to take up !b sniping duties.
992457;1422242234;badbitcoinadmin;This account squats & logs #badbitcoin
992458;1422242285;BingoBoingo;So... what does account do here then?
992459;1422242300;punkman;so you are gonna track all the HYIP scams that take bitcoin?
992460;1422242302;punkman;why bother
992461;1422242651;badbitcoinadmin;right now, this was first thing I found that was set up for Freenode
992462;1422242711;gabriel_laddel;asciilifeform: do you know of any information about AMD Opteron's k8 microcode or the chip in question? I found http://www.securiteam.com/securityreviews/5FP0M1PDFO.html but nothing else on the matter. Also, do you know of a better place to ask this question? I'm not a haxx0r.
992463;1422242712;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1L9zk7w )
992464;1422242724;danielpbarron;!gettrust badbitcoinadmin
992465;1422242724;assbot;badbitcoinadmin is not registered in WoT.
992466;1422242765;asciilifeform;gabriel_laddel: afaik, nothing has ever leaked re: the microcode structure. all that is known is how to invoke the updater, the approximate structure of the blob, and the fact that - unlike intel's - there is no crypto/authentication
992467;1422242830;asciilifeform;gabriel_laddel: hence, one might learn something by trial and error (entirely possible to smoke the chip, sure.)
992468;1422242944;danielpbarron;badbitcoinadmin, http://www.contravex.com/2014/09/23/please-to-pgp-guide-for-linux-os-x-windows/
992469;1422242945;assbot;Please To PGP (Guide for Linux, OS X, Windows) | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski ... ( http://bit.ly/1L9zSKw )
992470;1422243159;badbitcoinadmin;I am familiar with PGP, but only have a few contacts who use it. What's next?
992471;1422243250;danielpbarron;instructions on how to register your key with assbot and other commands are here -> http://wiki.bitcoin-assets.com/irc_bots/assbot
992472;1422243251;assbot;irc_bots:assbot [bitcoin assets wiki] ... ( http://bit.ly/1L9AwrE )
992473;1422243579;badbitcoinadmin;OK, I see, some crypto hoops to jump through. Might not do it until tomorrow, looks straightforward enough.
992474;1422243624;decimation;re: wikileaks << it's pretty lulzy that the 'staff' idiots were using third party mail providers anyway
992475;1422244018;punkman;https://dolphin-emu.org/compat/  interesting
992476;1422244019;assbot;Dolphin Emulator - Compatibility List - page # ... ( http://bit.ly/1L9Ckka )
992477;1422244088;*;asciilifeform thought that this could have been an emulator for the xerox dolphin, very disappointed
992478;1422244105;punkman;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=25-01-2015#991865 > now you can emulate it too http://ascii.textfiles.com/archives/4546
992479;1422244105;assbot;Logged on 25-01-2015 19:42:05; ben_vulpes: i've seen windows 3.1 in javascript...
992480;1422244106;assbot;The Emularity « ASCII by Jason Scott ... ( http://bit.ly/1L9CuIs )
992481;1422244170;asciilifeform;punkman: the x86-in-js emulator is at least 2 years old, and is about as interesting as a full-sized replica of the eiffel tower made from toothpicks.
992482;1422244215;asciilifeform;which is to say, you might admire the patience of the maker, but at the end of the day, the only question is - 'why?'
992483;1422244357;asciilifeform;(what's a xerox 'dolphin' ? this: http://www.digibarn.com/friends/alanfreier/index.html )
992484;1422244358;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1L9CY1g )
992485;1422244428;mats;;;seen MisterE
992486;1422244428;gribble;MisterE was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 41 weeks, 2 days, 10 hours, 39 minutes, and 15 seconds ago: <MisterE> Deer Hunter was masterpiece
992487;1422244668;punkman;asciilifeform: archive.org's has an impressive number of emulators that will work in browsers, I think that's nice
992488;1422244721;asciilifeform;'work'
992489;1422244749;mircea_popescu;http://40.media.tumblr.com/06f4ab072b398760c7812ba94ca49b15/tumblr_n9nqevnvIy1tvd51wo1_500.jpg "you sure you put the car keys in here ?!"
992490;1422244751;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1L9DGvl )
992491;1422244779;punkman;of course the real hero is http://www.mess.org/
992492;1422244780;assbot;Welcome to the MESS Wiki! [MESS] ... ( http://bit.ly/1L9DHzt )
992493;1422244791;punkman;"supports 962 unique systems"
992494;1422244800;mircea_popescu;<BingoBoingo> Imma spend a few hours now reading trilema and listening to Lynyrd Skynyrd to get the liberal brainwashing out. << i lollered.
992495;1422244815;asciilifeform;the 'let's run complex proggies in the browser' thing is monumentally retarded. esp. in light of how it actually works in practice (e.g. js and its all-numerics-are-floats, etc)
992496;1422244836;punkman;yeah I can't disagree with that
992497;1422244865;asciilifeform;'let's use machine whose architecture is in no sense standardized, with approx. the performance of a 486 dx-100'
992498;1422244909;mircea_popescu;it's fun!!1
992499;1422244931;mircea_popescu;standards are racist. the spec is the code. WE ARE BRINGING STUFF TO AFRICA
992500;1422244951;mircea_popescu;economists agree. i have heard from entrepreneurs. we'll discuss it in san jose
992501;1422244959;mircea_popescu;someone should make a gavin retardobot
992502;1422244984;asciilifeform;when do we get africa brought to these folks.
992503;1422244993;thestringpuller;;;calc 5/12
992504;1422244993;gribble;0.416666666667
992505;1422244997;asciilifeform;preferably maximally armed, demented africa
992506;1422245001;asciilifeform;preferably - to san jose
992507;1422245015;mircea_popescu;that's not really africa, we'll call it isis
992508;1422245017;mircea_popescu;!up colonel32
992509;1422245162;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19414 @ 0.00052056 = 10.1062 BTC [+] {2} 
992510;1422245231;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes: anyone who works with power shapers knows better than to hand guide a router << it was hand guided by a robotic hand.
992511;1422245252;punkman;!up coderwill
992512;1422245268;coderwill;thanks punkman
992513;1422245288;coderwill;good evening/morning everyone :)
992514;1422245290;mircea_popescu;http://www.poisonedminds.com/tests/dic/ btw
992515;1422245291;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1JroS9B )
992516;1422245360;decimation;gabriel_laddel: sounds like an interesting os, would be worth a spin
992517;1422245409;coderwill;afternoon too, oops.
992518;1422245431;coderwill;mircea_popescu: saw your reply RE: circle, yeah, it's almost like they want to be a venmo or square pay now or something
992519;1422245460;mircea_popescu;they want to be whatever takes no work and provides no service.
992520;1422245483;mircea_popescu;basically, they wish to be one of those vc scams where "it can't be proven they have no market share" and so... safe investment.
992521;1422245555;mircea_popescu;gabriel_laddel you might have something there.
992522;1422245607;punkman;mircea_popescu: which dic are you?
992523;1422245622;mircea_popescu;i dunno it crapped out and gave me straight php code instead of executing it
992524;1422245631;mircea_popescu;$temp) { $loadpage = "Stalin"; $temp = $Stalin;} if ($Blair > $temp) { $loadpage = "Blair"; $temp = $Blair;} if ($Hitler > $temp) { $loadpage = "Hitler"; $temp = $Hitler;} if ($Bush > $temp) { $loadpage = "Bush"; $temp = $Bush;} if ($Hussein > $temp) { $loadpage = "Hussein"; $temp = $Hussein;} if ($Omar > $temp) { $loadpage = "Omar"; $temp = $Omar;} if ($Castro > $temp) { $loadpage = "Castro"; $temp = $Castro;} if ($Ma
992525;1422245631;mircea_popescu;o > $temp) { $loadpage = "Mao"; $temp = $Mao;} if ($Milosevic > $temp) { $loadpage = "Milosevic"; } include("http://www.poisonedminds.com/tests/dic/" . $loadpage . ".html"); ?>
992526;1422245674;mircea_popescu;!up badbitcoinadmin
992527;1422245693;mircea_popescu;what do you think a "role account" is ?
992528;1422245729;coderwill;i wonder how they will monetize
992529;1422245769;mircea_popescu;coderwill considering this is perhaps the 8th or 9th attempt, and all the previous ones monetized in the vessenes manner (whitewashing services for scammers)...
992530;1422245847;mircea_popescu;http://38.media.tumblr.com/3431bae3b538ec058d5f5d44a8039ed9/tumblr_n9qtidqcvJ1s93wm2o1_400.gif << the princess of freshair
992531;1422245849;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1Jrq5hl )
992532;1422245853;punkman;coderwill, so you work at blockchain.info?
992533;1422245892;coderwill;no, i quit back in september
992534;1422245905;punkman;ah smart move
992535;1422245916;coderwill;;)
992536;1422245931;mircea_popescu;are they cutting back on personnel too /
992537;1422245959;coderwill;i don't think so, it appears they are hiring after closing the round
992538;1422246029;punkman;did employees get any equity?
992539;1422246041;coderwill;no, not when i was there it was very strange
992540;1422246121;coderwill;there were promises of equity but nothing official that i saw (other than verbal)
992541;1422246130;punkman;!rate coderwill 1 for #b-a voice
992542;1422246130;assbot;Request successful, get your OTP: http://w.b-a.link/otp/17ba08908423ac1c
992543;1422246240;coderwill;thanks
992544;1422246282;coderwill;people may have some type of vesting now that they announced they had that 30 million raise, i don't know though
992545;1422246331;mats;20 to 30 inches of snow anticipated... wtf
992546;1422246347;coderwill;it's snowmageddon :)
992547;1422246402;mats;its hilarious that anyone wanted to pay so much as 1mn for blockchain.info
992548;1422246402;coderwill;i heard it might be the most snow ever for new york city
992549;1422246410;mircea_popescu;mats two feet in mass.
992550;1422246431;mats;ya. 75mph gusts anticipated
992551;1422246436;mats;o_O
992552;1422246465;mircea_popescu;anyway, everyone was driving their fuel supplies down
992553;1422246481;mircea_popescu;heating the nw may be problematic.
992554;1422246511;mats;that reminds me, i should stock up on food and water
992555;1422246544;coderwill;it's strange, we are having these crazy "polar vortexes" (last year) and now potentially record snow in new york, and earlier this year in buffalo
992556;1422246560;decimation;re: earlier conversation on the 'need' to travel >> http://charltonteaching.blogspot.com/2011/09/travel-and-mind.html  << " Warnie Lewis, a leading expert on Versailles, never visited Versailles."
992557;1422246562;assbot;Bruce Charlton's Miscellany: Travel and the mind ... ( http://bit.ly/1L9H0Xw )
992558;1422246563;danielpbarron;https://twitter.com/CBur36/status/559540033263136770
992559;1422246565;assbot;So /McDonalds is goin to start accepting a random type currency soon.. I wonder it its /search?q=%24btc&src=ctag /hashtag/bitcoin?src=hash
992560;1422246585;punkman;balmy 15C here, no winter for me :P
992561;1422246608;punkman;well I did get 0.1 inch of snow few weeks ago
992562;1422246623;coderwill;i just saw a link the other day that at the same time, 2014 was the warmest year on record - also, something that in the last 10 years a ridiculous amount of warm weather records have been broken
992563;1422246656;mats;g-g-global warming!
992564;1422246741;coderwill;wild time to be alive no doubt
992565;1422246748;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16050 @ 0.00052308 = 8.3954 BTC [+] {3} 
992566;1422246761;decimation;www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2915061/Nasa-climate-scientists-said-2014-warmest-year-record-38-sure-right.html
992567;1422246792;decimation;"As a result, GISS’s director Gavin Schmidt has now admitted Nasa thinks the likelihood that 2014 was the warmest year since 1880 is just 38 per cent. However, when asked by this newspaper whether he regretted that the news release did not mention this, he did not respond."  < lol daily mail
992568;1422246823;coderwill;interesting
992569;1422246824;mircea_popescu;decimation "leading expert in english"
992570;1422246845;mircea_popescu;punkman it's about 28 here.
992571;1422246881;mircea_popescu;coderwill the "warmest year" bs is just that.
992572;1422246902;decimation;even the AP published a retraction after the daily mail called them out http://bigstory.ap.org/article/d7375a310ef6475c9841accc756c4ba4/heat-noaa-nasa-say-2014-warmest-year-record
992573;1422246907;assbot;Clarification: Hottest Year story ... ( http://bit.ly/1L9HP2r )
992574;1422246908;decimation;"The story also reported that 2014 was the hottest year on record, according to the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration and NASA, but did not include the caveat that other recent years had average temperatures that were almost as high — and they all fall within a margin of error that lessens the certainty that any one of the years was the hottest."
992575;1422246910;decimation;lol
992576;1422246916;punkman;mircea_popescu: does BA ever get below 0C?
992577;1422246933;mircea_popescu;punkman not in recorded history.
992578;1422246964;mircea_popescu;http://40.media.tumblr.com/b0d8476f67041da770a9fcf6567199c6/tumblr_n9fwbqHUdl1sifpsfo1_1280.jpg << hottest chick ever photographed.
992579;1422246966;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1L9HTiP )
992580;1422246978;mircea_popescu;*note = other chicks photographed also hot ; exactly how hot is disputed.
992581;1422247047;decimation;also, there's a large margin of error, but we are really sure that there's a trend here
992582;1422247150;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: any thoughts re: whether we want an upgrade mechanism in the toy node ?
992583;1422247166;decimation;asciilifeform: gonna burn some fuses?
992584;1422247167;mircea_popescu;specifically no.
992585;1422247175;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: that was my thought.
992586;1422247190;asciilifeform;because guess who is certain to ask 'install upgrade plz'
992587;1422247200;mircea_popescu;if there's some sort of hole put in deliberately,
992588;1422247212;mircea_popescu;90% of its utility/planned use is surrepetitious "upgrades"
992589;1422247217;asciilifeform;we could conceivably 'tivoize' the thing
992590;1422247221;mircea_popescu;person wants to upgrade, torch the box set up a new one.
992591;1422247236;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24600 @ 0.0005121 = 12.5977 BTC [-] {2} 
992592;1422247241;mircea_popescu;nah, let the owner be in control.
992593;1422247243;mircea_popescu;but THE OWNER.
992594;1422247295;asciilifeform;wasn't even thinking of remote upgrade, but local (insert image on stick)
992595;1422247307;coderwill;speaking of BA, i like the work this design company puts out down there: https://aerolab.co/
992596;1422247308;assbot;Aerolab - Design and Development for Startups and Leading Brands ... ( http://bit.ly/1L9IAZt )
992597;1422247478;decimation;http://www.ronpaulinstitute.org/archives/featured-articles/2015/january/25/adios-cuba/ << " Now, the lame duck Obama administration has finally figured out how to put an end to Cuba’s Communist system: human wave attacks by hordes of American tourists in loud golf wear yelling “USA, USA!” and waving Visa cards." "Cubans are not ready for loud, aggressive tourists shoving money in their faces. Nor are these easy-going islanders
992598;1422247481;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1L9J1CP )
992599;1422247481;decimation;mentally prepared for tens of thousands of pushy New Yorkers (I’m also one) or overly emotional Miami Cubans who think they are returning royalty. Waves of carpetbaggers will pour in trying to buy everything that isn’t nailed down with their gringo dollars. Every Cuban exile sees himself as the next El Presidente."
992600;1422247615;coderwill;mircea_popescu: re: warmest year stuff, yeah, not sold on it either, the weather does seem strange though
992601;1422247636;coderwill;mircea_popescu: maybe just cylical on a timespan that's not being well perceived
992602;1422247726;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 41350 @ 0.00050861 = 21.031 BTC [-] {2} 
992603;1422247732;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: the flip side of the medal is that these things are not the least bit difficult to reprogram. i can easily picture the phoundation distributing an 'upgrader' anyway
992604;1422247734;coderwill;e.g. 10 years ago, hurricanes were everywhere in the gulf of mexico, now there are very few
992605;1422247782;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: the most that can be done is to button it up so that replacing bootloader requires soldering on the missing uart pins
992606;1422247847;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4500 @ 0.00052478 = 2.3615 BTC [+]
992607;1422247926;hanbot;asciilifeform: BingoBoingo, cazalla, mircea_popescu, qntra folks: http://www.usnews.com/news/articles/2015/01/23/barrett-browns-prison-time-raises-cybersecurity-journalism-concerns << today this fella went off to jail. << yknow the article only mentions it in passing, but apparently the guy fucked around with an fbi agent. i'd wager the shit he's in has more to do with that than posting w/e link. how many others posted links or even hosted the
992608;1422247929;assbot;Barrett Brown's Prison Time Raises Cybersecurity, Journalism Concerns - US News ... ( http://bit.ly/1L9JPaQ )
992609;1422247929;hanbot; stuff themselves? and yet, he's the one in jail.
992610;1422248009;asciilifeform;hanbot: for various reasons, brown was a good 'example to be made'
992611;1422248065;asciilifeform;and yes, he is probably guilty of, among other things, insulting a loyal servant of the crown.
992612;1422248077;coderwill;sheesh, that's pretty scary
992613;1422248111;asciilifeform;probably even of 'l�se-majest�'.
992614;1422248161;hanbot;i somehow doubt it's as much a piece of hay in the stack as all that. you piss someone off enough, they'll find what with to beat you.
992615;1422248251;hanbot;i'm only surprised it wasn't another "child pornography" circus
992616;1422248287;asciilifeform;can't use the same six words to hang every honest man.
992617;1422248293;asciilifeform;gotta have some variety.
992618;1422248364;punkman;good thing everyone's dumpingall their thoughts on twitter and facebook
992619;1422248447;coderwill;it says that the majority of brown's sentence is from threatening an fbi agent in a youtube video
992620;1422248455;coderwill;http://time.com/3680594/barrett-brown-sentencing/
992621;1422248457;assbot;Barrett Brown Defiant After Sentencing Over Stratfor Hacking ... ( http://bit.ly/1EKI6nS )
992622;1422248552;hanbot;ah, the time piece covers it better, yeah.
992623;1422248558;punkman;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TOW7GOrXNZI
992624;1422248559;assbot;Why I'm Going to Destroy FBI Agent Robert Smith Part Three: Revenge of the Lithe - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1EKIlzi )
992625;1422248594;asciilifeform;does not follow that, had he not done this deed, would be a free man.
992626;1422248701;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24587 @ 0.00052508 = 12.9101 BTC [+] {2} 
992627;1422248787;asciilifeform;there is a ru idiom, 'Дело шито белыми нитками' - 'the [criminal] case is sewn with white thread.'
992628;1422248816;asciilifeform;it comes from the old-fashioned binding that was used in ussr for court documents - ordinary thread and cardboard cover
992629;1422248855;asciilifeform;when seals were stamped onto the pages in the binder, the thread - originally white - would turn blue, black, red, depending on the colour of the seal on that page
992630;1422248899;asciilifeform;but if the pages were moved around at a later date, from the state monkeying with the record, the thread would have to be cut and replaced
992631;1422248910;asciilifeform;and would end up white in places where one would expect to see a colour.
992632;1422248931;asciilifeform;hence idiom is used to describe criminal cases such as, well, this one.
992633;1422248961;hanbot;ha, i like it
992634;1422249042;mats;http://www.theage.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/one-in-seven-australians-living-in-poverty-according-to-new-report-20141011-114o1b.html
992635;1422249045;assbot;One in seven Australians living in poverty, according to new report ... ( http://bit.ly/1L9LYUa )
992636;1422249092;mats;interesting definition of poverty
992637;1422249207;hanbot;anyway, ludicrous as the entire thing is, the usnews version irked me with subrug sweeping. there are ways to handle agents, and there are ways to set them on the vendetta path.
992638;1422249281;hanbot;and btw mats re that tinder thing: i remember several years ago reading about some similar jazz (a special watch iirc) in japan for people too timid to meet others on their own
992639;1422249299;hanbot;tinder seems about there.
992640;1422249309;asciilifeform;hanbot: 'lovegetty'
992641;1422249327;asciilifeform;it was, iirc, more of a pocket watch
992642;1422249342;hanbot;o hey, exactly
992643;1422249365;asciilifeform;many, i imagine, disappointed buyers.
992644;1422249375;asciilifeform;machine - cannot increase operator's smv.
992645;1422249509;hanbot;i mean...i guess if you're very shy, uninterested in changing that, and also interested in fucking other shy people adverse to change, it'd be great, but...really?
992646;1422249802;punkman;http://www.cuddlrapp.com/
992647;1422249803;assbot;Cuddlr ... ( http://bit.ly/1L9Nmpz )
992648;1422250213;asciilifeform;https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gcc-4.5-armel-cross/+bug/662887
992649;1422250214;assbot;Bug #662887 “internal compiler error during U-Boot compilation” : Bugs : gcc-4.5-armel-cross package : Ubuntu ... ( http://bit.ly/1L9Oc5L )
992650;1422250242;asciilifeform;'status: New → Won't Fix'
992651;1422250245;asciilifeform;shitgnomery.
992652;1422250348;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13792 @ 0.00050713 = 6.9943 BTC [-]
992653;1422250580;mats;hanbot: you are an american expat yes? and you understand the peculiarities of american dating culture?
992654;1422250667;mats;dunno that it has anything to do with shyness. more like... people have become more alone in spite of glowing rectangles supposedly networking us together
992655;1422250762;mats;anyway such apps are where the college chicks go, so i follow
992656;1422250897;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3800 @ 0.00050386 = 1.9147 BTC [-]
992657;1422251590;*;trinque scratches his head at the btcd+btcctl combo apparently not being able to look up an address's balance without the wallet bits
992658;1422251604;trinque;btw I am also undata, likely will use this handle from now on
992659;1422251624;trinque;punkman: did you just keep a local count of deedbot's balance?
992660;1422251633;punkman;I used electrum
992661;1422251645;trinque;ah so you had a wallet handy
992662;1422251673;trinque;http://tbtc.blockr.io/address/info/mpz3LvxS4bucReULkfKYfDCGLGBVChZVow << sending some tests
992663;1422251674;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1BqRRqv )
992664;1422251757;punkman;iirc conformal had a lib for accessing the db, no?
992665;1422251790;punkman;https://github.com/btcsuite/btcdb
992666;1422251791;assbot;btcsuite/btcdb · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1BqRXhQ )
992667;1422251817;mircea_popescu;http://40.media.tumblr.com/2d066532878b9879567f4670d6bedabe/tumblr_n562y35wFb1rzzxego1_1280.jpg << for nubbins` war effort.
992668;1422251819;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1L9QPVd )
992669;1422251897;mircea_popescu;!gettrust undata
992670;1422251897;assbot;undata is not registered in WoT.
992671;1422251903;mircea_popescu;!gettrust trinque
992672;1422251905;assbot;Trust relationship from user mircea_popescu to user trinque: Level 1: 1, Level 2: 3 via 1 connections. | http://w.b-a.link/trust/mircea_popescu/trinque | http://w.b-a.link/user/trinque
992673;1422251911;mircea_popescu;makes sense.
992674;1422252263;trinque;#btcd tells me I'll eventually be able to query address balance with just btcd and btcctl... seems like keeping its own count is fine, no?
992675;1422252567;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: missing: the ants.
992676;1422252819;danielpbarron;http://www.opposingviews.com/i/religion/christian-mom-gives-leggings-god "When I walk into a place and there are women wearing yoga pants everywhere, it's hard to not look. I don't, but it's not easy," Partridge's husband allegedly said.
992677;1422252820;assbot;Christian Mom Gives Up Leggings For God ... ( http://bit.ly/1BqT2pY )
992678;1422252890;trinque;mircea_popescu: when the hash of the bundle is not a valid key would you prefer to wait for more deeds, or some other behavior?
992679;1422252896;trinque;punkman suggests re-hasing
992680;1422253037;punkman;as per asciilifeform's suggestion ^
992681;1422253442;mircea_popescu;yes rehash
992682;1422253626;trinque;k
992683;1422253659;Adlai;trinque, mircea_popescu, have you had a look yet at https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=411974.0 ? (at worst, this would just save some money)
992684;1422253659;assbot;Promechard: Proprietary Metablock Chains for Arbitrary Data ... ( http://bit.ly/1zeOEfP )
992685;1422253672;trinque;punkman brings up another good point about the ambiguous ordering of two bundles which end up in the same block
992686;1422254496;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33750 @ 0.0005022 = 16.9493 BTC [-] {3} 
992687;1422257655;mircea_popescu;Adlai im no sure what this is supposed to be ?
992688;1422257670;Adlai;how to do deeds efficiently
992689;1422257679;mircea_popescu;mno.
992690;1422257694;mircea_popescu;it's not how to do deeds efficiently, it's how to include people you don't know. i am not interested.
992691;1422257718;Adlai;that's not what it is, maybe you should read the actual paper?
992692;1422257736;mircea_popescu;papers of unknown authors chance of being read is ~0%.
992693;1422257741;mircea_popescu;especially if said authors are alive.
992694;1422257750;mircea_popescu;let them get in the wot.
992695;1422257994;Adlai;here's a shorter explanation of the technique: https://mathgate.info/promechard.php
992696;1422257996;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1xX7wKq )
992697;1422258052;mircea_popescu;somehow we're not communicating. at issue is the proposition that ideas are worth anything, and somehow people can ride on the value of their ideas.
992698;1422258067;mircea_popescu;this is false. people can only ride on the value of their reputaiton, and "ideas" are not only worthless, but outright meaningless.
992699;1422258079;mircea_popescu;i simply don't care what some derps not in the wot think they have to say.
992700;1422258126;Adlai;who said anything about people riding? i'm not talking about people, i'm talking solely about the idea. if you want some reputation to associate with the idea, shoot the messenger.
992701;1422258131;mircea_popescu;i am not.
992702;1422258136;mircea_popescu;i am never talking about any idea.
992703;1422258150;mircea_popescu;unless it starts with "here's what X said", im ignoring it.
992704;1422258203;mircea_popescu;unsigned code doesn't exist. "ideas" never happened. etc.
992705;1422258263;mircea_popescu;i guess i should add "culture" to the list of things bitcoin is disrupting.
992706;1422258264;*;Adlai says, deedbot can spend half as much coin and create zero as much pollution; if there's interest, he can review and sign the code doing it
992707;1422258265;mircea_popescu;brb
992708;1422258303;mircea_popescu;Adlai how much it spends is arbitrarily small anyway, and set to a certain sum more to encourage the diggers than anything tho ?
992709;1422258348;Adlai;the promechard technique can still have any fee you like, and it'd go directly to the miners, rather than into an unspendable output
992710;1422258365;mircea_popescu;the output is spendable.
992711;1422258393;Adlai;hash(clearsigned gpg message) is spendable?
992712;1422258431;mircea_popescu;it keeps hashing until it makes a valid pubkey yes
992713;1422258459;Adlai;to which it has the privkey?
992714;1422258472;mircea_popescu;that's the whole idea, anyone can spend the sum on the basis of the notarized documents.
992715;1422258596;Adlai;hm. why?
992716;1422258647;mircea_popescu;doubles as a faucet, basically.
992717;1422258660;Adlai;so it's spendable (by the earliest bird!), but it's still a tiny amount. this is like leaving a beggar individual pennies, more insulting than anything else
992718;1422258694;mircea_popescu;!up blah
992719;1422258706;mircea_popescu;i dun follow.
992720;1422258708;Adlai;lol alright, if that's the intent, it makes sense
992721;1422258744;fluffypony;this guy was basically mircea_popescu - http://i.imgur.com/7lILO4H.jpg
992722;1422258745;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1yUhsbK )
992723;1422258768;mircea_popescu;lol
992724;1422258785;mircea_popescu;fluffypony i just spent today listening to "i did it my way" and thinking frankie was basically me.
992725;1422258794;mircea_popescu;oddly enough, mailer looks like sinatra!
992726;1422258888;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 1000 @ 0.001089 = 1.089 BTC [-]
992727;1422259499;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 55764 @ 0.00049925 = 27.8402 BTC [-] {2} 
992728;1422260230;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 1000 @ 0.00102 = 1.02 BTC [-] {3} 
992729;1422260541;fluffypony;http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/2tme2e/i_will_be_going_to_africa_this_summer_to/
992730;1422260544;assbot;I will be going to Africa this summer to introduce bitcoin to airline services, hotel services and much much more! I will also be hosting a blog soon so I can update on the progress made! Hey who knows I might start an african bitcoin foundation while I am there : Bitcoin ... ( http://bit.ly/15zN22s )
992731;1422260551;fluffypony;fucking retard.
992732;1422260781;Adlai;maybe he'll reach some of the 419 scammers, that would give free marketing, like cryptolocker et al
992733;1422261320;punkman;http://si.wsj.net/public/resources/images/BN-GP571_0126ma_P_20150125204027.jpg
992734;1422261322;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/18iUNMh )
992735;1422261938;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2200 @ 0.00050386 = 1.1085 BTC [+]
992736;1422262426;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 2100 @ 0.00109009 = 2.2892 BTC [+] {7} 
992737;1422262670;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 3750 @ 0.00114917 = 4.3094 BTC [+] {13} 
992738;1422263036;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4155 @ 0.00049875 = 2.0723 BTC [-]
992739;1422263212;punkman;;;ticker
992740;1422263213;gribble;Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 302.62, Best ask: 304.41, Bid-ask spread: 1.79000, Last trade: 302.62, 24 hour volume: 48938.56740845, 24 hour low: 241.33, 24 hour high: 309.9, 24 hour vwap: 266.093376488
992741;1422264256;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 16 @ 0.10598299 = 1.6957 BTC [+] {4} 
992742;1422264652;fluffypony;http://np.reddit.com/r/worldpolitics/comments/2to7nl/poverty_inc_argues_that_wall_street_and_the/co12mef?context=3
992743;1422264654;assbot;gloomdoom comments on Poverty Inc. argues that Wall Street and the banking industry’s portrayal of "business as usual" is undermining our democracy, shattering the lives of working class families and the poor, while endangering the very environmental balance of the planet. ... ( http://bit.ly/1JMMwfa )
992744;1422265294;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 41100 @ 0.00049179 = 20.2126 BTC [-] {2} 
992745;1422265362;davout;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=26-01-2015#992434 <<< yes please
992746;1422265362;assbot;Logged on 26-01-2015 03:06:29; thestringpuller: gabriel_laddel: A copy of SimCity 2000 built in.
992747;1422265380;davout;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=26-01-2015#992501 <<< yes please
992748;1422265380;assbot;Logged on 26-01-2015 04:02:39; mircea_popescu: someone should make a gavin retardobot
992749;1422265431;davout;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=26-01-2015#992657 <<< you merely need the unspent outs
992750;1422265431;assbot;Logged on 26-01-2015 05:53:10; *: trinque scratches his head at the btcd+btcctl combo apparently not being able to look up an address's balance without the wallet bits
992751;1422266086;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 1344 @ 0.00107998 = 1.4515 BTC [-]
992752;1422267184;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18534 @ 0.00049772 = 9.2247 BTC [+]
992753;1422268404;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 1000 @ 0.00101048 = 1.0105 BTC [-] {5} 
992754;1422268770;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16350 @ 0.00048965 = 8.0058 BTC [-] {2} 
992755;1422269563;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 50300 @ 0.00049677 = 24.9875 BTC [+] {2} 
992756;1422270196;mircea_popescu;Adlai : http://trilema.com/2015/ok-so-what-is-bitcoin-disrupting/ updated nao
992757;1422270197;assbot;Ok, so what is Bitcoin disrupting ? pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.  ... ( http://bit.ly/1CIl3uS )
992758;1422270519;mircea_popescu;http://edgeandback.ro/how-luke-evans-came-in-romania-and-the-romanian-press-wasnt-invited/ << lulzy butthurt.
992759;1422270522;assbot;How Luke Evans came in Romania and the Romanian press wasn't invited | Edge and Back ... ( http://bit.ly/1CIlky3 )
992760;1422270604;Adlai;if it wasn't clear, by http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=26-01-2015#992700 means "act as though the first wot member who suggests an idea invented it"
992761;1422270604;assbot;Logged on 26-01-2015 07:42:06; Adlai: who said anything about people riding? i'm not talking about people, i'm talking solely about the idea. if you want some reputation to associate with the idea, shoot the messenger.
992762;1422270717;mircea_popescu;prolly the way it'll work.
992763;1422270719;Adlai;i wasn't bringing this up as "look at coinbase, they're doing something!", but as "maybe i can help your thing do its stuff better" (setting aside the bit about deedbot doubling as a faucet, which works fine in the current method)
992764;1422270741;mircea_popescu;yeh, i got that.
992765;1422270799;Adlai;either way, i really oughtta spend my time chasing floats instead of ec points
992766;1422270836;mircea_popescu;what's ec points ?
992767;1422270858;Adlai;elliptic curve points
992768;1422270898;Adlai;ie, working on scalpl rather than studying crypto curiosities
992769;1422270920;mircea_popescu;ah. well honestly, on the face of it, that sounded backwards.
992770;1422270937;Adlai;how so?
992771;1422270942;mircea_popescu;like... srsly, floats rather than elliptic curve points ?!
992772;1422270980;mircea_popescu;"i should spend my time finding grass rather than fish".
992773;1422271019;Adlai;yeah it doesn't make much sense because it's a stupid pursuit, i'm hunting out floating point arithmetic now that scalpl needs to quack a little less like a prototype
992774;1422271023;mircea_popescu;anyway. scalpl made a killing on the rise ? or got kinda murdered ?
992775;1422271027;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 42563 @ 0.00050252 = 21.3888 BTC [+] {2} 
992776;1422271067;mircea_popescu;http://40.media.tumblr.com/6915e105aacb853a3d129ca49d59a7de/tumblr_n5gtpcUuwc1tbxihoo1_1280.jpg
992777;1422271068;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1CIlKEA )
992778;1422271132;Adlai;it never makes killings or gets kinda murdered, it just creeps along. sometimes it bleeds a little from the ears when the volume gets too loud.
992779;1422271151;*;Adlai is listening to: Metallica - The Call Of Ktulu (8:54)
992780;1422271235;Adlai;re IV - art is neither dead nor dying, but tastes change, and the financial incentives about them... maybe if it becomes less profitable overall, there'll be less crap commercialized art such as pop music or koons balloons
992781;1422271561;mircea_popescu;there's nothing to do with "tastes"
992782;1422271567;mircea_popescu;art is purely prescriptive.
992783;1422271742;Adlai;the eradication of a disease doesn't signal the end of medicine, just a change of "tastes". same for art's prescriptions
992784;1422271892;Adlai;the nice thing about firing clients is that you get to work for yourself!
992785;1422272125;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 2627 @ 0.0010089 = 2.6504 BTC [-] {12} 
992786;1422279689;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 38600 @ 0.00050221 = 19.3853 BTC [-] {2} 
992787;1422279808;jurov;\ele
992788;1422279998;mircea_popescu;http://www.worldtribune.com/2015/01/23/obama-administration-intervened-argentine-probe-iranian-leader-jewish-center-bombing/
992789;1422280000;assbot;Obama administration intervened in Argentine probe of Iranian leader, Jewish center bombing - World Tribune | World Tribune  ... ( http://bit.ly/1C6yBRT )
992790;1422280004;mircea_popescu;theplot that keeps on thickening.
992791;1422280509;Adlai;so in the pre-bitcoin economy, entrepeneurs sought financiers. what do you call a well-capitalized wot presence that lends its credibility to a bitcoin venture?
992792;1422280666;mircea_popescu;i would guess a financier, what's wrong with that ?
992793;1422280688;Adlai;nothing, just wondering what you'd call them in this economy
992794;1422280711;*;Adlai seeks a wot financier. inquiries welcome in private or public, whichever is preferred.
992795;1422280726;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9300 @ 0.00050386 = 4.6859 BTC [+]
992796;1422280739;Adlai;rise, chicken! you may lay another egg yet.
992797;1422280790;mircea_popescu;lol
992798;1422280796;mircea_popescu;later!
992799;1422280826;Adlai;o/
992800;1422281031;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21000 @ 0.00051082 = 10.7272 BTC [+] {4} 
992801;1422281099;punkman;https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B8PQVvEIIAI10Uw.jpg
992802;1422281099;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1C6DBpu )
992803;1422281537;Adlai;(my idea has exactly nothing to do with elliptic curves)
992804;1422281556;mike_c;sekrit idea?
992805;1422281588;Adlai;!s inquiries from:adlai
992806;1422281589;assbot;0 results for 'inquiries from:adlai' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=inquiries+from%3Aadlai
992807;1422281602;Adlai;blah. http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=26-01-2015#992794 << mike_c
992808;1422281602;assbot;Logged on 26-01-2015 13:58:31; *: Adlai seeks a wot financier. inquiries welcome in private or public, whichever is preferred.
992809;1422281620;punkman;Adlai: for scalpl?
992810;1422281628;mike_c;yes, i saw that.  so what's the idea?
992811;1422281695;Adlai;a scalpl-managed fund, where investors could add or withdraw bitcoin in a manner similar to how X.EUR handles settlements
992812;1422281769;Adlai;there are a bunch of variables in this arrangement, such as - who has what control of which accounts
992813;1422281795;punkman;as in kraken accounts?
992814;1422281886;Adlai;any exchange where the fund would trade. scalpl currently supports btce, bitfinex, and kraken, but the api is modular and more can be added (not my focus atm, but ~3 days of work per exchange if necessary)
992815;1422282130;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24800 @ 0.0005019 = 12.4471 BTC [-]
992816;1422283044;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16150 @ 0.00050301 = 8.1236 BTC [+] {3} 
992817;1422283166;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26735 @ 0.00051221 = 13.6939 BTC [+] {2} 
992818;1422283282;davout;Adlai: so ppl deposit funds with you, you put them on some exchange (or people push funds to your exchange account) and whatever p/l scalpl makes is distributed among them, minus your fee?
992819;1422283313;thestringpuller;lol bond holder and profit sharer tightly coupled
992820;1422283362;Adlai;that's one constellation, but not the one i'd prefer
992821;1422283449;davout;what's the arrangement you'd prefer?
992822;1422283512;Adlai;i'd rather the accounts belong to the financier(s). they lend reputation - people trust them not to run off more than they'd trust me, and they lend their credibility to account statements. my role would be setting up scalpl, possibly maintenance, analysis, development - but on a case by case basis, as seen fit by the financier(s) and/or shareholders
992823;1422283578;Adlai;the most i'd ever have control of is api keys with trade permission, but not withdrawal permission; and it could easily be arranged that i never touch api keys myself, just deliver code or service an app taken offline, with api keys expunged from its server.
992824;1422283646;davout;ok, that i get
992825;1422283668;Adlai;also, for my own psychological reasons at this phase in my life, i'd rather get a carpenter's salary than equity in the furniture shop
992826;1422283728;Adlai;although this is flexible, and it could make sense to establish a minimum stake for alignment of interests
992827;1422283746;davout;unless i'm mistaken equity would be irrelevant if you structure that as a bond, amirite
992828;1422283755;davout;that too
992829;1422283941;Adlai;by structure as a bond, you mean - anybody deposits the amount they want, and has p/l tracked (and dividends paid) for that amount?
992830;1422284097;Adlai;i'm not certain how you'd handle that technically, because you want deposits to reach exchange accounts, in various proportions; do you have bond-buyers deposit directly into the exchange accounts, and the financier submits to the exchange signed statements of bond deposits to issue shares?
992831;1422284117;Adlai;i guess you don't even need shares if it's bonded in this manner, it can just be a bond directly between the exchange owner and depositors
992832;1422284124;Adlai;you don't even need the exchange!
992833;1422284169;davout;to me there's two distinct things
992834;1422284179;davout;the exchange where scalpl does its thing
992835;1422284186;davout;the exchange where the bond is traded
992836;1422284211;davout;say there is an account on paymium with 100 BTC in it which i deposited
992837;1422284214;Adlai;right. you need an exchange to scalp, but you don't *need* to trade the bonds
992838;1422284217;Adlai;ok
992839;1422284230;davout;i issue 100 bonds with a 1 BTC face value
992840;1422284257;danielpbarron;Adlai> also, for my own psychological reasons at this phase in my life, i'd rather get a carpenter's salary << probably not the best metaphor
992841;1422284257;davout;one week later, scalpl made 7% profit
992842;1422284279;davout;we now have 107 BTC in the exchange account
992843;1422284311;davout;the bonds should now trade for 1.07 BTC
992844;1422284360;Adlai;should, assuming that the market has access to that information; this would depend on how transparently the fund is operated. weekly statements? daily? per-trade?
992845;1422284361;davout;if you take a bond out of circulation you refund it as (amount in exchange acct)/100
992846;1422284381;davout;ideally upon request
992847;1422284404;Adlai;most fun is just publishing readonly api keys to the accounts in the listing
992848;1422284406;davout;not saying this is in any way the correct way to structure that thing, simply thinking out loud
992849;1422284415;davout;yup, readonly keys, win
992850;1422284426;davout;wire that to a b-a bot
992851;1422284494;davout;the problem i see is that each (financier, exchange) pair represents basically a different bond
992852;1422284512;davout;you'd take your fee in the form of free bonds
992853;1422284539;Adlai;is that a problem, or just an artefact of market segmentation?
992854;1422284568;davout;i see it as a problem in the sense that they're not really fungible
992855;1422284573;Adlai;D.XYZW are distinct, despite being cut from the same stuff
992856;1422284608;Adlai;so you can have distinct S.CALP.PAYM etc
992857;1422284635;davout;yes, not a problem if the bonds clearly state that
992858;1422284637;Adlai;danielpbarron: 'i choose my words carefully, and i never repeat myself' ?
992859;1422284650;Adlai;sure, each bond can be a separate contract between a financier and the exchange
992860;1422284662;jurov;why not just offer scalpl as service for some fee?
992861;1422284676;danielpbarron;Adlai, just some topical humor; don't mind me :p
992862;1422284683;Adlai;:)
992863;1422284721;Adlai;jurov: overhead
992864;1422284751;Adlai;in a sense, it's currently offered as a service for some fee - my time in dealing with your (not personally anybody in this channel) bullshit
992865;1422284755;jurov;overhead compared to what? structuring/trading bonds?
992866;1422284833;Adlai;overhead compared to having a collaborator handle financing (of both forms), leaving me to focus on scalpl itself
992867;1422284898;jurov;mkay
992868;1422285127;Adlai;in case it fell between the cracks - i'm always interested in 'alpha testers', especially if they see it as a service rather than a freebie that a sucker on irc will walk them through for his own warm fuzzies
992869;1422285260;Adlai;another reason to work with a financier is that it opens up the door for exchange presence in the wot
992870;1422285295;Adlai;let's say davout handles this for paymium, and it brings them increasing business. smart exchanges may follow suit.
992871;1422285336;Adlai;it's most idiomatic for the reputation at risk to be that of the exchange owner
992872;1422285348;*;Adlai pokes STRML
992873;1422285488;mats;https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20150123/07461729791/former-head-gchq-warns-ethically-worse-kinds-spying-if-unbreakable-encryption-is-allowed.shtml "HUMINT is sooo expensive..."
992874;1422285491;assbot;Former Head of GCHQ Warns Of 'Ethically Worse' Kinds Of Spying If Unbreakable Encryption Is Allowed | Techdirt ... ( http://bit.ly/15L3ldL )
992875;1422285594;Adlai;um, forcing ethically worse spying is the point. cf HGW XX/7
992876;1422285696;*;Adlai refers the yet-uncultured to http://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/the_lives_of_others/
992877;1422285699;assbot;The Lives of Others - Rotten Tomatoes ... ( http://bit.ly/15CjlhA )
992878;1422285789;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 44944 @ 0.00050579 = 22.7322 BTC [-] {2} 
992879;1422285838;Apocalyptic;Adlai, good film that one
992880;1422285933;Adlai;also, i'm not yet a Serenissima Accreddited™ Investor, and that kind of coin isn't exactly burning  holes in my wallet; so if this is to happen before the next major fiat devaluation...
992881;1422286083;Adlai;Apocalyptic: see what i mean about ethical spying? cf http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-11-2014#919932
992882;1422286083;assbot;Logged on 13-11-2014 16:38:23; asciilifeform: Adlai: darcs << as a military man, perhaps you are familiar with systems that could be automated easily, but aren't? e.g., ru nuke sub controls
992883;1422286184;Adlai;cf http://aeon.co/magazine/technology/are-we-ready-for-companies-that-run-themselves/ and are we ready for scamferences that fund themselves?
992884;1422286186;assbot;Are we ready for companies that run themselves? – David Morris – Aeon ... ( http://bit.ly/15L5S7P )
992885;1422286266;Apocalyptic;I don't know there is such a thing as "ethical spying", the whole formula must be a joke
992886;1422286341;BingoBoingo;Re: Toy node discussion - Selling point for such a thing may be "privacy proxy" for Lite wallets.
992887;1422286443;Adlai;which is exactly why spying shouldn't be automated. maybe there's a situation where a person feels justified listening in on a conversation without explicit permission, but that call shouldn't be made in advance by a bureaucrat for every single conversation unto eternity
992888;1422286561;Adlai;BingoBoingo: sure, put spv servers of your choice on physically separate machines with reasonable rpc access to the node
992889;1422286643;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20000 @ 0.00051106 = 10.2212 BTC [+] {3} 
992890;1422286652;thestringpuller;http://www.comcastro.com/2015/01/4-stevie-frederick-bitcoin-101-wtf-is-btc/
992891;1422286657;thestringpuller;http://www.comcastro.com/2015/01/5-stevie-frederick-bitcoin-202-new-world-order/
992892;1422286665;thestringpuller;^- listen to me talk nonsense about bitcoin
992893;1422286668;thestringpuller;lol
992894;1422286675;Adlai;no need to put more turds onto the existing pile... and if you do, how do you pick which one? electrum-server, obelisk, etc?
992895;1422286698;BingoBoingo;Adlai: Well, SPV as the powerrangers say it now tends to mean the Bloom filter derp. If enough space is budgeted for the nodes though "address history" type arrangement like electrum server could work if electrum server did not rival bitcoind itself as a hog.
992896;1422286700;thestringpuller;ls
992897;1422286766;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19601 @ 0.0005054 = 9.9063 BTC [-]
992898;1422286777;Adlai;it shouldn't *need* anything beyond the current full node. if some fancier spv node wants bloom filters, put 0.9.bloom on its box and have it just listen to the safe node
992899;1422286798;Adlai;simple means simple damnit!
992900;1422286984;BingoBoingo;Yes, shouldn't indeed means shouldn't. https://github.com/spesmilo/electrum-server is the address history beast I was thinking of. Note that can become rapidly unfeasible on Gavincoin as does not take kindly to any pruning.
992901;1422286985;assbot;spesmilo/electrum-server · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/15L8eDz )
992902;1422287065;BingoBoingo;That thing builds its own indexed database of a size comparable to the block chain.
992903;1422287193;*;Adlai has started to think of pruning in a different manner - rather than reclaiming hard disk space, 'pruning' just means you can provably flush certain transactions from various caches. it's a time/space optimization, not a change of the glob's outward behavior
992904;1422287201;BingoBoingo;http://log.b-a.link/?date=26-01-2015#992788 << Wait, so Christina may have been set up by Obola?
992905;1422287201;assbot;Logged on 26-01-2015 13:46:38; mircea_popescu: http://www.worldtribune.com/2015/01/23/obama-administration-intervened-argentine-probe-iranian-leader-jewish-center-bombing/
992906;1422287253;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3749 @ 0.0005054 = 1.8947 BTC [-]
992907;1422287802;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8801 @ 0.00049533 = 4.3594 BTC [-]
992908;1422287924;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 1308 @ 0.00100476 = 1.3142 BTC [-] {9} 
992909;1422288895;Adlai;another possible initial step for a cautious financier: pilot MPIF profit center
992910;1422289712;Adlai;another possible incentive: first financier consults gratis through march 1st
992911;1422289872;Adlai;now that's enough selling for one month
992912;1422289998;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 2839 @ 0.00110533 = 3.138 BTC [+] {7} 
992913;1422290242;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 1178 @ 0.00117389 = 1.3828 BTC [+] {4} 
992914;1422290303;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 1050 @ 0.00117581 = 1.2346 BTC [+] {4} 
992915;1422290425;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 3496 @ 0.00117799 = 4.1183 BTC [+] {4} 
992916;1422290486;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 1373 @ 0.00117893 = 1.6187 BTC [+] {2} 
992917;1422290974;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29219 @ 0.00050677 = 14.8073 BTC [+] {2} 
992918;1422291767;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12800 @ 0.00049959 = 6.3948 BTC [-]
992919;1422292865;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12400 @ 0.00051613 = 6.4 BTC [+] {2} 
992920;1422293145;jurov;Adlai you want scalpl to become one of mpif profit centers?
992921;1422293211;Adlai;'want' is a strong word. i'm suggesting it as a possibility, to an intrepid [General] Manager
992922;1422293676;BingoBoingo;!up bitspill
992923;1422293744;scoopbot;New post on Qntra.net by Bingo Boingo: http://qntra.net/2015/01/csm-profiles-homero-j-garza-serial-entrepreneur/
992924;1422294025;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 38400 @ 0.00051866 = 19.9165 BTC [+] {3} 
992925;1422295385;*;xanthyos 
992926;1422297080;BingoBoingo;https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B8S5Kg7IAAABEFX.jpg
992927;1422297081;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1ziRP6s )
992928;1422297746;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11400 @ 0.00052046 = 5.9332 BTC [+]
992929;1422298721;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20400 @ 0.00052258 = 10.6606 BTC [+] {2} 
992930;1422300064;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 39722 @ 0.00052503 = 20.8552 BTC [+] {3} 
992931;1422301003;coderwill;hello all
992932;1422301089;jurov;hi coderwill
992933;1422301104;coderwill;how are you, jurov?
992934;1422301154;jurov;it's okay. today i was marrying hdd and ssd in btrfs raid
992935;1422301167;jurov;dunno why i do such crazy stuff. but works so far
992936;1422301189;coderwill;cool
992937;1422301344;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 300 @ 0.007 = 2.1 BTC [+]
992938;1422301527;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3500 @ 0.0005014 = 1.7549 BTC [-]
992939;1422301705;thestringpuller;tis quiet
992940;1422301706;thestringpuller;too quiet
992941;1422301867;[]bot;Bet placed: 1.46308271 BTC for Yes on "BTC back over $300 before March" http://bitbet.us/bet/1110/ Odds: 72(Y):28(N) by coin, 71(Y):29(N) by weight. Total bet: 7.15636312 BTC. Current weight: 76,473.
992942;1422302747;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 1441 @ 0.00110723 = 1.5955 BTC [+] {7} 
992943;1422302808;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8200 @ 0.00052566 = 4.3104 BTC [+]
992944;1422303517;BingoBoingo;Things reddit dun like https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/2tr5dy/this_is_the_true_thought_leader_of_bitcoin/
992945;1422303519;assbot;This is the true thought leader of Bitcoin : Bitcoin ... ( http://bit.ly/1yJrOLr )
992946;1422303702;BingoBoingo;Facebook, for the still Poorer http://www.slate.com/blogs/business_insider/2015/01/26/facebook_android_users_in_developing_countries_can_now_use_facebook_lite.html
992947;1422303704;assbot;Facebook: Android users in developing countries can now use "Facebook Lite" as a simplified version of the social media networking app. ... ( http://bit.ly/1yJsfVV )
992948;1422303917;jurov;their bloat is unusable on 2y old android
992949;1422303923;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo lol thanks.
992950;1422303926;jurov;so they had to
992951;1422303974;mircea_popescu;"Bitcoin's thought-leader hangs out with people who pay underage girls for sex?" wut exactly is this ? i don't hang out with reddit...
992952;1422304024;davout;i already love this reddit thread
992953;1422304066;mircea_popescu;davout: Adlai: so ppl deposit funds with you, you put them on some exchange (or people push funds to your exchange account) and whatever p/l scalpl makes is distributed among them, minus your fee? << this sounds to me more like a classical fund
992954;1422304084;mircea_popescu;scalpl's irrelevant in this discussion, people don't care about it, people just care "i'm investing with adlai and he keeps the thing going"
992955;1422304095;mircea_popescu;much like panacea used to work, at least back when f.mpif had an investment.
992956;1422304101;jurov;https://www.reddit.com/r/Buttcoin/comments/2tp2d7/ok_so_what_is_bitcoin_disrupting/ << same, not so lulzy tho
992957;1422304103;assbot;Ok, so what is Bitcoin disrupting? : Buttcoin ... ( http://bit.ly/1yJt1SM )
992958;1422304103;mircea_popescu;anyway, how much capital are you looking for ?
992959;1422304142;mircea_popescu;"I'm certain he has no actual experience with that topic, unless you count webcam sessions with the working ladies over at girls gone bitcoin."
992960;1422304144;mircea_popescu;dude, srsly ?
992961;1422304150;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 1312 @ 0.00110745 = 1.453 BTC [-] {4} 
992962;1422304179;mircea_popescu;somebody drop the classic http://trilema.com/2010/nsfw-mosu-cu-joarda/ on r/buttcoin, see how they talk it away ?
992963;1422304179;assbot;NSFW - Mosu' cu joarda pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.  ... ( http://bit.ly/1yJtdS9 )
992964;1422304277;mircea_popescu;!up sensorii
992965;1422304415;mircea_popescu;anyway, it's kinda fun to wake up at 7pm to a bowlful of internet impotent rage.
992966;1422304444;*;mircea_popescu pours some milk, adds some cornflakes, eats it up, spits it out...
992967;1422304453;mircea_popescu;...aaaaand dooooesss it hiiiiiiissss waaaaayyyy
992968;1422304951;davout;poor winklevii, they got cock-blocked so hard by the coinbase guys
992969;1422304968;mircea_popescu;lol saw that ?
992970;1422305146;mircea_popescu;!up phillipsjk
992971;1422305169;davout;forever alone winklevii
992972;1422305188;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10734 @ 0.00049972 = 5.364 BTC [-] {2} 
992973;1422305213;mircea_popescu;lol kinda, yeah.
992974;1422305226;mircea_popescu;they're suffering from fat rich kid syndrome.
992975;1422305282;davout;what's the fat rich kid syndrome?
992976;1422305526;trinque;their only real claim to fame being "we sued hoodie CEO"
992977;1422305549;trinque;the guy who almost had a heart attack talking to Walt Mossberg
992978;1422305729;thestringpuller;mircea_popescu: has no experience in fucking, although he keeps a harem.
992979;1422306024;hanbot;mats> dunno that it has anything to do with shyness. more like... people have become more alone in spite of glowing rectangles supposedly networking us together << it has everything to do with shyness tho, so long as what tinder's doing is removing the basic requirement of walking up to someone and asking if they'd like to drink/dance/fuck/whatever
992980;1422306079;davout;hanbot: i agree, the rectangles have merely made shy people more visible where shyness doesn't actually matter
992981;1422306083;hanbot;as though being turned down to your face is something to be avoided at all absurdities
992982;1422306099;hanbot;davout mhm!
992983;1422306651;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3600 @ 0.00049743 = 1.7907 BTC [-] {2} 
992984;1422307057;mircea_popescu;davout rich kid is ahead of the other kids, because his parents are technically a magic wand. fat kid is behind the other kids, because fat is unappealing. this tension creates very insane sort of behaviours.
992985;1422307081;davout;hah
992986;1422307085;mircea_popescu;generally it ends up twisted in the position where the other kids drive the wedge of forcing him to do things his magic wand disapproves of.
992987;1422307099;mircea_popescu;course the more perceptive magic wands try to do the exact same.
992988;1422307135;mircea_popescu;but in any case, nature abhors a tension, and it will be resolved.
992989;1422307198;mircea_popescu;thestringpuller obviously. because the god of reddit hath so ordained that everything that can exist is directly accessible with no effort to anyone, and so... three second's effort is good enuf to form any opinion!
992990;1422307324;mircea_popescu;trinque for a minute there i thought hoodie is an actual vc "company"
992991;1422307434;mircea_popescu;btw mossberg got axed iirc ? he still around ?
992992;1422307465;mircea_popescu;in any event : http://41.media.tumblr.com/9ea31aa205736d9e7d22e95933f71218/tumblr_mz3e5lUWNv1sayo9ko1_1280.jpg
992993;1422307466;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1LclmBV )
992994;1422307565;trinque;mircea_popescu: I'm sure there's some shartup out there going by Hoodie
992995;1422307601;mircea_popescu;Hoodie enables you to express yourself through technology by making web app development very fast, easy and accessible. It's a complete backend for your ...
992996;1422307604;trinque;dunno what mossberg's doing now; the event I'm recalling is... All Things Digital maybe? Zuck nearly had a panic attack responding to softball questions.
992997;1422307606;mircea_popescu;and right you are.
992998;1422307613;*;trinque shakes his head
992999;1422307626;trinque;this industry... burn it to the ground
993000;1422307636;mircea_popescu;working on it.
993001;1422307677;mircea_popescu;but meanwhile, http://40.media.tumblr.com/288689bfce3297a527e3b75a300b107e/tumblr_mw9fallq2Y1rdaiz9o1_500.jpg
993002;1422307678;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1LcmchU )
993003;1422307762;trinque;dem curves!
993004;1422307836;davout;mircea_popescu trinque "hoodie is a committed team dedicated to hand-making gorgeous organic sweat shirts, delivered right to your door by our awesome fixie riders"
993005;1422307847;mircea_popescu;wait two of em ?!
993006;1422307853;mircea_popescu;http://hood.ie
993007;1422307854;assbot;hood.ie  ... ( http://bit.ly/1LcmO7a )
993008;1422307907;davout;lol no i just made that up
993009;1422307912;mircea_popescu;i love how "awesome" has come to mean "i think we're not paying these dudes enough". originally teh various journalist herdsmen thought they were being oh so clever
993010;1422307935;mircea_popescu;but twenty years later sheer usage has worked the surfaces of the thing into the exact shape of its meaning.
993011;1422307947;mircea_popescu;wisdom of the crowds, this is exactly what it means.
993012;1422308146;mircea_popescu;!up CoraCrisT
993013;1422308171;CoraCrisT;thanks, M.
993014;1422308174;CoraCrisT;hey guys
993015;1422308214;mircea_popescu;sure. get in the wot already, you'll regret each wasted day in a few years.
993016;1422308450;mircea_popescu;davout: one week later, scalpl made 7% profit <<< best rng ever :D
993017;1422308564;thestringpuller;hanbot: this reminds me of my college where guise didn't know anything about this socializing thing.
993018;1422308595;thestringpuller;hanbot: "Lets be nice as possible to the girl and maybe she'll touch me even though I'm an awkward neck beard who needs more rejection"
993019;1422308946;pete_dushenski;howdy assets!
993020;1422308954;mircea_popescu;ello
993021;1422308993;pete_dushenski;how's that air in ba today?
993022;1422309033;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29100 @ 0.00049559 = 14.4217 BTC [-] {2} 
993023;1422309074;mircea_popescu;pretty sweet. http://40.media.tumblr.com/db77d8ed29ba1ef06ef579f07e658d47/tumblr_mr26k5HDwO1s7eb1eo1_1280.jpg
993024;1422309076;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1Lcrmus )
993025;1422309129;pete_dushenski;it's really not bad here either, all things considered.
993026;1422309140;pete_dushenski;i'll take 0C in january
993027;1422309846;pete_dushenski;The chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff has established a research and essay competition in honor of Saudi Arabia’s King Abdullah Bin Abdul-Aziz hosted by the National Defense University.
993028;1422309880;pete_dushenski;no word on how big the purse is
993029;1422310153;mircea_popescu;Adlai: in case it fell between the cracks - i'm always interested in 'alpha testers', especially if they see it as a service rather than a freebie that a sucker on irc will walk them through for his own warm fuzzies << heh the problem of "contests" and "giveaways" etc.
993030;1422310218;pete_dushenski;manual scoop: http://www.contravex.com/2015/01/26/even-north-korea-knows-that-public-relations-isnt-about-being-nice-anymore/
993031;1422310219;assbot;Even North Korea knows that public relations isn’t about being nice anymore. | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski ... ( http://bit.ly/1Lcvri6 )
993032;1422310219;mircea_popescu;mats: former-head-gchq-warns-ethically-worse-kinds-spying-if-unbreakable-encryption-is-allowed << asswipes in temper tantrum mode. "if we don't get chocolate we will piss in the bet"
993033;1422310257;mircea_popescu;somehow the obvious "bitch, if you piss in the bed you will be digging ditches naked 18 hours a day for the next five years."  isn't quite obvious to gchq angry children.
993034;1422310323;pete_dushenski;and of course "ethical" is whatever benefits my narrow range of interests
993035;1422310338;pete_dushenski;because i'm the pre-copernican church
993036;1422310555;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 45000 @ 0.00051104 = 22.9968 BTC [+] {2} 
993037;1422310611;davout;!rated itkin
993038;1422310611;assbot;itkin is not registered in WoT.
993039;1422310623;davout;;;rated itkin
993040;1422310623;gribble;You have not yet rated user itkin
993041;1422310656;TheNewDeal;;;ident
993042;1422310656;gribble;Nick 'TheNewDeal', with hostmask 'TheNewDeal!~TheNewDea@unaffiliated/thenewdeal', is identified as user 'TheNewDeal', with GPG key id DFBEC17DF96DFB77, key fingerprint 468950118F292A0AA73BCCC3DFBEC17DF96DFB77, and bitcoin address None
993043;1422310720;TheNewDeal;;;nethash
993044;1422310720;gribble;272295812.481
993045;1422310723;TheNewDeal;;;bc,stats
993046;1422310726;gribble;Current Blocks: 340603 | Current Difficulty: 4.397166205608958E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 340703 | Next Difficulty In: 100 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 18 hours, 53 minutes, and 51 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 41248798297.7 | Estimated Percent Change: -6.19231
993047;1422310958;mircea_popescu;dropping again huh
993048;1422311035;pete_dushenski;looking that way.
993049;1422311053;pete_dushenski;that exahash is taking forever
993050;1422311061;pete_dushenski;i want it nao!
993051;1422311223;pete_dushenski;Uber promises not to price-gouge during massive east-coast blizzard << because what are prices good for anyways ?
993052;1422311356;mircea_popescu;"uber promises to make the market not work"
993053;1422311374;mircea_popescu;tell you what : if there's fifty people willingm to pay 1 dollar and five people willing to pay 10 dollars, and 5 cabs,
993054;1422311380;mircea_popescu;the cabs should fucking cost 10 dollar.
993055;1422311403;pete_dushenski;and if there's one cab, $100
993056;1422311460;pete_dushenski;this is how you get "everyone should have meat with every meal" turning agriculture into a 'meat' production industry
993057;1422311504;pete_dushenski;!up phillipsjk
993058;1422311524;pete_dushenski;heya phillipsjk, who are you?
993059;1422311535;phillipsjk;Have people been experiencing DDOS attacks? I have the sketchiest data, but suspect 1.2Gbps on saturday and larger today
993060;1422311577;pete_dushenski;there were a few "ddosbot" attacks over the weekend, ya
993061;1422311580;phillipsjk;Hi, I am James Phillips, dishwasher from Canada.
993062;1422311591;pete_dushenski;welcome
993063;1422311610;phillipsjk;I am not even running a bitcoin node. (only Friecoin) on this connection.
993064;1422311624;phillipsjk;I wonder if just joining this channel gets me on the hit-list.
993065;1422311640;pete_dushenski;if it did, you'd know already
993066;1422311654;pete_dushenski;i was hit within 30 seconds of logging on sans cloak
993067;1422311667;pete_dushenski;downed my internet for 30 minutes or so
993068;1422311678;mircea_popescu;phillipsjk told you the same in pm lol, did you get that ?
993069;1422311690;pete_dushenski;no ?
993070;1422311706;phillipsjk;he uped me
993071;1422311752;pete_dushenski;phillipsjk: so what intel do you have about these attacks?
993072;1422311778;phillipsjk;I am considering hooking up a packet sniffer nextime it happens.
993073;1422311780;thestringpuller;downed my internet for 30 minutes or so << yea that happened to me during netsplit was pretty bad
993074;1422311905;pete_dushenski;phillipsjk: you're on shawcable, so whereabouts in alberta are you?
993075;1422312010;phillipsjk;Router complained about "smurf attacks" (from china) but worry those may be false positives since the IPs were from /16 netblock and eneded in .255: 182.134.248.255 125.89.36.255 221.89.36.255
993076;1422312022;phillipsjk;Edmonton
993077;1422312081;pete_dushenski;cool. so am i actually.
993078;1422312102;pete_dushenski;how'd you find this place?
993079;1422312120;mircea_popescu;so wait, you're not being ddosed now ?
993080;1422312137;phillipsjk;Was told that the Future of Bitcoin is decided here, not in the Bitcointalk forums.
993081;1422312139;mircea_popescu;what, the kid just spikes a few kps for five minutes and then that's it, givwesu p ?
993082;1422312148;mircea_popescu;phillipsjk that part is true.
993083;1422312181;phillipsjk;mircea_popescu, it was about 30 minutes each time. at least 3 times.
993084;1422312187;mircea_popescu;but not anymore now /
993085;1422312188;pete_dushenski;mircea_popescu: not like ddosbot kid has infinity resources. has to end eventually
993086;1422312188;mircea_popescu;?
993087;1422312206;mircea_popescu;anyway phillipsjk best practice would be to get a cloak.
993088;1422312216;thestringpuller;or connect from tor
993089;1422312217;thestringpuller;lol
993090;1422312229;phillipsjk;So you think it is jsut from joining this channel then?
993091;1422312230;pete_dushenski;i experienced the same 30 min ddos thing while fiddling with new irc clients
993092;1422312243;pete_dushenski;phillipsjk: almost certainly
993093;1422312246;thestringpuller;whenever my ip gets exposed i get hammered
993094;1422312256;mircea_popescu;phillipsjk definitely.
993095;1422312261;mircea_popescu;!s ddos
993096;1422312262;assbot;455 results for 'ddos' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=ddos
993097;1422312268;pete_dushenski;it's an unintentional barrier to entry, if anything
993098;1422312270;mircea_popescu;^ look through there, it's discussed plenty
993099;1422312289;davout;phillipsjk: yes, people get ddosed from joining uncloaked
993100;1422312387;pete_dushenski;California threatens to seize land from billionaire if he doesn’t start letting surfers use his beach << for the people!
993101;1422312392;thestringpuller;pete_dushenski: the last ddos knocked out my phones too
993102;1422312406;thestringpuller;my house phone couldn't dial out lol
993103;1422312408;pete_dushenski;The State Lands Commission may use powers never employed in its 77-year history, seizing private land for public use to end a battle between surfers and billionaire venture-capital investor Vinod Khosla, who has been locking a gate at his beach property along California’s Pacific Coast.
993104;1422312412;pete_dushenski;thestringpuller: crazy
993105;1422312447;thestringpuller;script kiddie may not have infinite resources
993106;1422312466;thestringpuller;but can definitely fuck up my couch when he knows my address
993107;1422312478;danielpbarron;phillipsjk> Was told that the Future of Bitcoin is decided here, not in the Bitcointalk forums. << oh that's where i've seen your name! https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=919629.msg10247429#msg10247429
993108;1422312479;assbot;Fork off ... ( http://bit.ly/1yWtkKu )
993109;1422312484;[]bot;Bet placed: 2 BTC for No on "Bitcoin to drop under $150 before March" http://bitbet.us/bet/1107/ Odds: 19(Y):81(N) by coin, 23(Y):77(N) by weight. Total bet: 5.61929562 BTC. Current weight: 68,439.
993110;1422312486;[]bot;Bet placed: 2 BTC for No on "Bitcoin to drop under $100 before April" http://bitbet.us/bet/1108/ Odds: 18(Y):82(N) by coin, 19(Y):81(N) by weight. Total bet: 6.87303349 BTC. Current weight: 85,030.
993111;1422312601;phillipsjk;By 'we' I meant the reddit and Bitcointalk 'tards of course.
993112;1422312602;pete_dushenski;danielpbarron: ah, good eye
993113;1422312665;phillipsjk;I may have confused MP with somebody else in that post. (MP is apparently not a coder)
993114;1422312687;pete_dushenski;phillipsjk: lol now you have me curious where you wash dishes. i can always go for a good meal on clean dinnerware
993115;1422312709;[]bot;Bet placed: 1.5 BTC for No on "Light Sweet Crude Oil (WTI) to drop under $40 before Mar 2015" http://bitbet.us/bet/1096/ Odds: 35(Y):65(N) by coin, 40(Y):60(N) by weight. Total bet: 4.35433047 BTC. Current weight: 51,859.
993116;1422312741;pete_dushenski;mp is definitely more beeznizmayn than codermonkey
993117;1422312820;phillipsjk;It is in my resume: Coliseum Pizza & Steak LTD.
993118;1422312848;pete_dushenski;a, famous spot, that
993119;1422312852;pete_dushenski;can't say i've been
993120;1422312887;phillipsjk;Need a day-job to keep hosting a Bitcoin node though.
993121;1422313036;pete_dushenski;that's pretty normal, really
993122;1422313043;danielpbarron;too expensive to run a full node? aren't you one of the ones trying to make the blocks bigger?
993123;1422313067;pete_dushenski;zing!
993124;1422313140;phillipsjk;If I us web-hosting I get 5TB/month for $80 or so
993125;1422313201;phillipsjk;I was paying $109.10 for commercial access. (300GB cap)
993126;1422313246;TheNewDeal;I am just imaginging advertisements on the TV, similar to those during political season in usia, with some phony from the Bitcoin Foundation and a sign "10gb blocks in 2016"
993127;1422313323;pete_dushenski;"yes we can"
993128;1422313421;pete_dushenski;anyways gang, i'm off. don't wear out those keyboards while i'm gone!
993129;1422313605;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 45500 @ 0.00052732 = 23.9931 BTC [+] {2} 
993130;1422314129;danielpbarron;http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/2tp9w0/help_lost_wallet_data_5btc_reward/co13yq5?context=8 << guy gets 5 BTC for basically saying "did you try restarting it?" also, guy cries over getting 5 BTC
993131;1422314132;assbot;Introshine comments on HELP ! Lost wallet data, 5BTC reward ... ( http://bit.ly/1z3tnmi )
993132;1422314279;thestringpuller;"Don't you know? Human beings become omniscient, infallible gods the moment they begin accepting a paycheck from the state."
993133;1422314301;thestringpuller;^- that guy gets it
993134;1422314398;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20875 @ 0.0005194 = 10.8425 BTC [-]
993135;1422314437;mircea_popescu;<pete_dushenski> California threatens to seize land from billionaire if he doesn�t start letting surfers use his beach << for the people! << soooooo ... why would someone own anything in california ?
993136;1422314597;mircea_popescu;"There are those whose only concern is worshiping at the altar of money and turning a profit, whereas others see Bitcoin as a tool for social and political revolution."
993137;1422314598;mircea_popescu;lmao
993138;1422314611;mircea_popescu;libertard has cut up the pie!
993139;1422314646;mircea_popescu;"social and political revolution" = more of the same shit ; "worshipping at the altar of money" = actual social and political revolution. in the proper sense, as in, the opposite of evolution.
993140;1422314710;mircea_popescu;danielpbarron funny hpw that doomad dude neglects to consider the point that "we can all use it" AS IT IS. unless we ALL agree to use it a different way, it is NOT HAPPENING.
993141;1422314723;mircea_popescu;irrespective of what "sociopolitical ideals" he miught wish to force on others.
993142;1422314744;mircea_popescu;the stuff one finds in the logs i swear.
993143;1422314778;mircea_popescu;"Your statement that the new fork won't succeed is nothing but speculation, your guess is only worth as much as anyone else's.  No one can claim with any certainty that they know what's going to happen." << late to that party.
993144;1422314790;mircea_popescu;my "buy gavincoin at 25% off still got exactly 0 offers"
993145;1422314823;lobbes;phillipsjk: Need a day-job to keep hosting a Bitcoin node though << try out lowendbox.com. I'm planning on following the advice given here and start a node running some version of debian
993146;1422314843;lobbes;phillipsjk: should only be a few bucks a month
993147;1422314977;PeterL;mircea_popescu: what happens with your 25% offer if they never stick megablocks into bitcoin-core code?
993148;1422314995;danielpbarron;the people with all the bitcoin are the bad ones because money is evil, and the people with no bitcoin are going to tell them what the rules should be
993149;1422315018;mircea_popescu;PeterL it'll have to be discussed, obv. whoever wants to trade gets to work with me on a ocntract that covers all legitimate concerns.
993150;1422315028;mircea_popescu;danielpbarron "because you are in the minority" derp.
993151;1422315059;mircea_popescu;but yes, that is pretty much exactly what your average libertard thinks politics is : "people with no money telling the people with money how they may proceed"
993152;1422315067;mircea_popescu;exactly fucking opposite of sanity.
993153;1422315112;danielpbarron;and somehow one of them manages to keep 500 BTC this whole time; someone who thought his funds were gone because his blockchain needed rensynching
993154;1422315130;mircea_popescu;anyway, it's funny just how self-contradictory the guy is, and how carefully crafted his pile, and how incredibly unstable in spite of all that effort. reading his lengthy posts is sort-of like admiring someone who managed to build a half mile tall chair pile in his quest to get to the moon on chairs.
993155;1422315148;mircea_popescu;if you as much as sneeze it all comes crumbling down, and yet he's stupidly put all that effort into it... like a blind seal or something.
993156;1422315191;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30650 @ 0.00051835 = 15.8874 BTC [-] {2} 
993157;1422315212;mircea_popescu;but who knows, right ? it's "not decided yet". he's not come here to have his construction taken apart ; the fork's not actually been destroyed in the field, and "we don't know for sure it's a scam" etc.
993158;1422315261;mircea_popescu;in unrelated news : some guy named zyklon_b joins some chatroom, buncha derps throw a fit, i tell em to stfu, which results in private messaging and ragequits :
993159;1422315262;mircea_popescu;<gurlwest> its possible but there is such a thing as responsibility, and i feel its mine to point out that Zyklon B is highly offensive and brings this place into disrepute
993160;1422315263;mircea_popescu;<MirceaPopescu> and i feel it's mine to point out to you that you're the [unthinking] representative of everything that's wrong with the world generally, and United Stupid particularly.
993161;1422315263;mircea_popescu;* gurlwest has quit (Connection reset by peer)
993162;1422315374;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11210 @ 0.0005168 = 5.7933 BTC [-]
993163;1422315510;mircea_popescu;http://nypost.com/2015/01/24/white-house-going-nuclear-on-netanyahu/
993164;1422315511;assbot;White House going nuclear on Netanyahu | New York Post ... ( http://bit.ly/1yWATAS )
993165;1422316140;nubbins`;lel x5, one of woodcollector's alts "doxxed" me
993166;1422316160;nubbins`;sends me this serious PM with some google streetview of my neighbourhood and my name+address
993167;1422316169;nubbins`;couple pix from my fb
993168;1422316197;mircea_popescu;o hey, are you going off nubbins` to your pw:rn nao ?
993169;1422316227;nubbins`;wat
993170;1422316243;asciilifeform;lol, 'doxing'
993171;1422316244;mircea_popescu;;;google pw:rn
993172;1422316245;gribble;Bounty Hunter Cards - Dark Age: <http://www.dark-age.com/Downloads/Cards/BountyHunter2.0.pdf>; Followers of the Heretic Cards - Dark Age: <http://dark-age.com/Downloads/Cards/HereticCards2015.pdf>; Kukulkani Cards - Dark Age: <http://www.dark-age.com/Downloads/Cards/KukulkaniCards2.0.pdf>
993173;1422316251;mircea_popescu;wow.
993174;1422316254;nubbins`;rn=real name?
993175;1422316268;mircea_popescu;yeh
993176;1422316272;mircea_popescu;https://encyclopediadramatica.se/Powerword
993177;1422316272;assbot;Powerword - Encyclopedia Dramatica ... ( http://bit.ly/1wylJMi )
993178;1422316281;asciilifeform;!s true names
993179;1422316282;assbot;17 results for 'true names' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=true+names
993180;1422316294;mircea_popescu;dude ed went to shit.
993181;1422316325;nubbins`;o i get it
993182;1422316329;nubbins`;well anyway.
993183;1422316337;nubbins`;my home address was already public on the forum
993184;1422316341;nubbins`;and he got the phone number wrong ;/
993185;1422316351;mircea_popescu;so he could work for yellowpages
993186;1422316371;nubbins`;and he says "maybe i'll see you at <event i'm attending on facebook> tomorrow at 8pm... i'm only 80km away"
993187;1422316383;mircea_popescu;wear a gopro.
993188;1422316424;davout;nubbins`: you better call the bitcoin police
993189;1422316449;mircea_popescu;davout if memory serves nubbins` is this tall bear-y sorta guy
993190;1422316449;asciilifeform;nubbins`: prepare for laser duel.
993191;1422316477;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform ahahaha that took a minute
993192;1422316478;nubbins`;heh
993193;1422316489;davout;asciilifeform: i just got it
993194;1422316500;mircea_popescu;hey nubbins` did you handcarve the turkey last thskgiving ?
993195;1422316503;mircea_popescu;OR DID YOU USE A LASER
993196;1422316503;nubbins`;hilariously, you are literally either in the ocean or a vast, uninhabited wilderness reserve if you are 80km from me
993197;1422316518;nubbins`;mircea_popescu i silkscreened cranberry sauce onto thin slices of it
993198;1422316552;mircea_popescu;the advantage of silk sheets is you can silkscreen tits and stuff with your bare hands.
993199;1422316583;mircea_popescu;!up badon
993200;1422316587;nubbins`;with the proper mesh count anything is possible
993201;1422316606;mircea_popescu;mush cunt! http://40.media.tumblr.com/038c7d1f7c9119ebe84a543b0af5b4b2/tumblr_mqkjtd3Trz1qcr2gxo1_1280.jpg
993202;1422316607;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1wym01V )
993203;1422316666;badon;hi mircea_popescu
993204;1422316825;nubbins`;oddly, i haven't received any more PMs since casually mentioning WC's actual job in a post
993205;1422316828;nubbins`;probably a coincidence
993206;1422316944;thestringpuller;dude
993207;1422316949;thestringpuller;expression engine is a fucking joke
993208;1422316951;thestringpuller;i can't do this anymore
993209;1422316956;thestringpuller;i'm about to blow my brains out man
993210;1422316964;thestringpuller;i'll never joke about wordpress again
993211;1422317461;thestringpuller;:q
993212;1422317780;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu, ben_vulpes, et al: i have a working 'u-boot' for toy node (builds as CROSSDEV armv5 on x86 gentoo), working linux kernel built in same manner, boots from nand flash.
993213;1422317791;nubbins`;fun
993214;1422317811;nubbins`;5/5 would help design packaging for
993215;1422317888;thestringpuller;:q
993216;1422317968;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu, ben_vulpes, et al: how it is to work: machine boots from nand flash, walks attached mass storage device list, tests if any contains ext3 filesystem with blockchain therein. if found, used. if not found, device is formatted and bitcoind runs there. runs inside a loop, if oomkilled - resurrected.
993217;1422318087;trinque;asciilifeform: nice!
993218;1422318145;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu, ben_vulpes, et al: missing ingredient - armv5 build of bitcoind 0.5.3 with necessary patches - that is, 100% therealbitcoin-controlled seeds.
993219;1422318183;mircea_popescu;hey badon
993220;1422318193;badon;hey
993221;1422318213;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform splendid.
993222;1422318232;mircea_popescu;mod6 ye hear that ? :D
993223;1422318240;mircea_popescu;!up mod6
993224;1422318262;asciilifeform;also discovered that pogo-4 has a 32kB eeprom full of zeros, unused.
993225;1422318276;mircea_popescu;what a nice little gewm this thing turns out to be
993226;1422318279;mod6;ah.
993227;1422318280;asciilifeform;purchased a second pogo-4 for testing autodeflorator
993228;1422318283;mod6;was i unvoiced?
993229;1422318294;asciilifeform;(script for converting a brand-new unit into a weaponized one)
993230;1422318337;mod6;thats awesome.
993231;1422318355;asciilifeform;repopulated missing solder pads for rs232 console. very handy for kernel work. i suggest that any of you who purchased a unit, do the same.
993232;1422318360;mod6;i'll have to pick one up when I get a chance...
993233;1422318371;mircea_popescu;mod6 yeh just as soon as bitcoind-unbraindamaged is ready... in it goes!
993234;1422318381;mod6;:D
993235;1422318403;asciilifeform;http://cfile2.uf.tistory.com/image/1809383A517761BB1B27C9 << where to put
993236;1422318404;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1LcXTk3 )
993237;1422318538;asciilifeform;also needed is a small list of ntp servers that can be trusted to work reasonably often
993238;1422318552;asciilifeform;preferably including one or two controlled by wot folks
993239;1422318562;asciilifeform;(if not all)
993240;1422318579;mod6;that shouldn't be a huge problem.  bbiab -- we can talk about that part a bit more.
993241;1422318629;asciilifeform;it turns out that ntp can happen straight from u-boot (bootloader)
993242;1422318651;asciilifeform;and then ntp client can be omitted from the rootfs itself.
993243;1422318661;asciilifeform;(why ever run it more than once? leap seconds?)
993244;1422318676;trinque;I've found ntpd to be a pain on such devices; I just cron a call to rdate instead
993245;1422318692;asciilifeform;'u-boot' has equivalent built in.
993246;1422318700;trinque;ntpd can apparently be told to always update, never give up when skew is huge, but *shrug* never worked for me
993247;1422318721;asciilifeform;!up phillipsjk
993248;1422318736;phillipsjk; running NTP more than once lets you compute clock drift.
993249;1422318739;asciilifeform;aha.
993250;1422318775;asciilifeform;box boots in ~10 sec.
993251;1422318787;asciilifeform;so i'm not averse to simply having it reboot weekly or so
993252;1422318792;asciilifeform;(automatic)
993253;1422318801;asciilifeform;bitcoind will get oomkilled often enough as it is.
993254;1422318807;asciilifeform;(until somebody plugs the leaks)
993255;1422318962;BingoBoingo;<asciilifeform> (why ever run it more than once? leap seconds?) << One of those coming up soon
993256;1422319007;phillipsjk;I suggest pool.ntp.org for NTP servers that work reasonably often.
993257;1422319022;asciilifeform;phillipsjk: we'd like some that are not under nato control.
993258;1422319106;BingoBoingo;http://www.openntpd.org/
993259;1422319107;assbot;OpenNTPD ... ( http://bit.ly/1wynM2V )
993260;1422319110;phillipsjk;Bitcoin tolerates time-stamps off by an hour anyway since a certain popular OS did not support hardware UTC until recently.
993261;1422319230;trinque;asciilifeform: ah I glossed over "why more than once"
993262;1422319244;trinque;in my experience the rpi skews clock as some function of cpu load
993263;1422319247;trinque;shit you not
993264;1422319255;asciilifeform;rpi is a steaming pile of shit.
993265;1422319262;trinque;that it is.
993266;1422319263;asciilifeform;in two dozen different ways.
993267;1422319275;asciilifeform;'but it's cheap1111!!!!11!! d3m0cr4cy!!!11111111111'
993268;1422319299;asciilifeform;'pogo' - costs less than half of rpi, incidentally.
993269;1422319337;asciilifeform;and doesn't have dedicated cores running weird, evil closed-sourced blob at all times. or a defective i/o bridge.
993270;1422319350;asciilifeform;and ships in a (spartan) plastic chassis, and with power brick.
993271;1422319358;phillipsjk;Cheap is my Pentium-II-350 still in service. (also with 256MB or RAM)
993272;1422319378;asciilifeform;phillipsjk: neither fanless, nor pocket-sized, nor still in production.
993273;1422319401;asciilifeform;phillipsjk: original thread concerned experiments with machines that will run bitcoind that fit these characteristics.
993274;1422319418;asciilifeform;at minimal cost.
993275;1422319445;phillipsjk;yeah, had to move it yesterday. revised the weight estimate up from 50lbs to 60lbs to 70lbs.
993276;1422319495;asciilifeform;a machine containing a fan, even one, esp. a plastic chinese fan, cannot be called 'fire and forget'
993277;1422319535;phillipsjk;I recommend 2GB or RAM for running a node. sounds like you are trying to get that number down.
993278;1422319541;asciilifeform;128m.
993279;1422319600;BingoBoingo;<asciilifeform> phillipsjk: neither fanless, nor pocket-sized, nor still in production. << The trifecta of want
993280;1422319636;phillipsjk;Hmm Freicoin is apparently using only like 36MB of RAM at the moment.
993281;1422319640;asciilifeform;fanless and elephant-sized would suffice in a pinch
993282;1422319645;asciilifeform;but these, afaik, do not exist either
993283;1422319649;phillipsjk;Should be possible then.
993284;1422319678;asciilifeform;iirc mircea_popescu wants to hand these out at parties.
993285;1422319683;asciilifeform;so must be reasonably low-cost.
993286;1422319695;asciilifeform;and something a civilian could plug in, somewhere in his cellar, and forget about it.
993287;1422319748;asciilifeform;incidentally, there is an output device: bicolour led.
993288;1422319758;asciilifeform;i'm having it turn red once the drive fills.
993289;1422319763;asciilifeform;or if cannot reach the net.
993290;1422321413;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12700 @ 0.00050211 = 6.3768 BTC [-]
993291;1422321732;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes et al: consider mutilating the version string. perhaps 'Serenissima 1.5.3.x' ?
993292;1422321788;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes et al: this has more than merely ceremonial effect, as, iirc, there are phoundation nodes that won't talk to < 0.8
993293;1422321810;asciilifeform;why make it easy for the bastards.
993294;1422322471;mircea_popescu;making what easy ?
993295;1422322506;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: splitting the net
993296;1422322514;mircea_popescu;bitcoin is bitcoin. no need to give bitcoin a special name just because some derps are derping.
993297;1422322535;asciilifeform;call it whatever name, but assigning a version equal to ancient phoundation release is foolish.
993298;1422322549;ben_vulpes;asciilifeform: was 0.5.3.1 an actual release?
993299;1422322556;asciilifeform;x.1 - not afaik.
993300;1422322564;asciilifeform;but existing installations still register it as 'obsolete'
993301;1422322569;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform why ?
993302;1422322580;ben_vulpes;mkay, well i published a patch that bumps to 0.5.3.1, don't know if you saw that
993303;1422322618;mircea_popescu;unrelatedly, http://41.media.tumblr.com/a9a17b3d8f01f9aea1069a3cb17bf616/tumblr_mnbga3JTYO1s2gjgzo1_1280.jpg
993304;1422322620;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1y10l40 )
993305;1422322624;ben_vulpes;<asciilifeform> mircea_popescu, ben_vulpes, et al: missing ingredient - armv5 build of bitcoind 0.5.3 with necessary patches - that is, 100% therealbitcoin-controlled seeds. << pretty neat
993306;1422322644;ben_vulpes;mircea_popescu: unstable configuration?
993307;1422322692;ben_vulpes;anything interesting in the logs today?
993308;1422322859;mircea_popescu;nothing terribly.
993309;1422322877;mircea_popescu;!up phillipsjk nah, just tradition.
993310;1422322884;mod6;<+asciilifeform> call it whatever name, but assigning a version equal to ancient phoundation release is foolish. << foolish because of nodes that wont talk with < 0.8, or foolish another reason? i've always detested version numbering because of "marketing"
993311;1422322901;asciilifeform;mod6: version number is actually used in the proggy
993312;1422322908;mod6;so it seems to me, the most logical thing to call this is v0.5.3.1
993313;1422322919;*;phillipsjk was asking about the pics
993314;1422322938;asciilifeform;mod6: if we're prepared for the eventuality that only our nodes answer our nodes - then yes.
993315;1422322953;phillipsjk;I take it the female population in this channel is low then.
993316;1422322957;mircea_popescu;phillipsjk basically sanity split from idiocy in bitcoin on the topic of porn, back in 2012.
993317;1422322988;mircea_popescu;see http://trilema.com/2013/the-froth-of-our-days/  etc
993318;1422322989;assbot;The froth of our days pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.  ... ( http://bit.ly/1y11M2n )
993319;1422323027;decimation;re: ntp server < to do a good job, you really need a dedicated server to host
993320;1422323059;asciilifeform;decimation: tricky, this. ntp is quite likely to be the weakest link here. central point of failure.
993321;1422323062;decimation;ideally one with a low-jitter clock
993322;1422323072;asciilifeform;without ntp, box has literally no notion of what the time is.
993323;1422323077;asciilifeform;(there is no battery.)
993324;1422323082;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform not so. looks at prev block
993325;1422323090;mircea_popescu;box thinks the time is "the previous block's time"
993326;1422323094;decimation;heh that's a good ida
993327;1422323100;asciilifeform;one more patch then.
993328;1422323102;decimation;it will be within minutes at least
993329;1422323102;mircea_popescu;it's the only way to do time.
993330;1422323108;asciilifeform;block-epoch
993331;1422323111;mircea_popescu;all that's needed for this application.
993332;1422323140;asciilifeform;may not even need to patch bitcoind
993333;1422323148;asciilifeform;but can lift from file system timestamp
993334;1422323152;asciilifeform;on blk***
993335;1422323190;asciilifeform;it is then tempting to omit ntp entirely...
993336;1422323196;decimation;yeah, you would probably want to average a few blocks & get system time
993337;1422323222;asciilifeform;timestamp on fs only works if we had the correct time once
993338;1422323224;ben_vulpes;<mircea_popescu> it's the only way to do time. << i've been saying there's no such thing as time for a while now, only the length of the longest chain...
993339;1422323226;asciilifeform;so no good for warmup
993340;1422323263;decimation;asciilifeform: what stuff needs clock?  filesystem timestamps?  logging?
993341;1422323270;asciilifeform;at any rate, this does not necessarily work
993342;1422323276;asciilifeform;it is conceivable that the node is cut off from the net for a spell
993343;1422323279;asciilifeform;and then reconnected
993344;1422323287;asciilifeform;in fact, this is guaranteed to happen during transport
993345;1422323293;asciilifeform;can't use time of last block then
993346;1422323336;decimation;why does system need correct time between bootup and say two live observations of blocks?
993347;1422323383;asciilifeform;simply to lazily avoid making yet another change to bitcoind.
993348;1422323405;asciilifeform;(ideally, what runs on toy node will be quite the same thing as used on normal machines, but built for the embedded cpu)
993349;1422323522;asciilifeform;jurov: http://ml.btc.yt/lxr/satoshi/source no worky
993350;1422323670;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform> it is then tempting to omit ntp entirely... << i have no idea why it'd have been included.
993351;1422323684;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes never any disagreeement on that score :)
993352;1422323706;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform why not ?
993353;1422323751;mircea_popescu;and it DID have the correct time once. comes preloaded with the timestamp of say when we started this discussion. or w/e.
993354;1422323798;BingoBoingo;<mod6> <+asciilifeform> call it whatever name, but assigning a version equal to ancient phoundation release is foolish. << foolish because of nodes that wont talk with < 0.8, or foolish another reason? i've always detested version numbering because of "marketing" << Propper solution is counting down from 9000
993355;1422323822;mod6;ya, kalvin has been discussed too
993356;1422323829;mod6;i kinda like the notion.
993357;1422323845;asciilifeform;https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/blob/d05c03ab4ed23389b1326f9b7c77a8d7b8d6588d/src/util.cpp#L959
993358;1422323847;assbot;bitcoin/util.cpp at d05c03ab4ed23389b1326f9b7c77a8d7b8d6588d · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1y14SU7 )
993359;1422323852;*;asciilifeform likes kelvin versioning
993360;1422323905;asciilifeform;^ above code will have to be changed to actually set the machine clock ?
993361;1422323920;asciilifeform;presently it just spews warnings
993362;1422323927;asciilifeform;and node operates using system time
993363;1422323937;mircea_popescu;yeh
993364;1422323946;asciilifeform;that's what i was speaking of.
993365;1422323967;mircea_popescu;<asciilifeform> can't use time of last block then << that's where i caught
993366;1422323988;BingoBoingo;http://www.haaretz.com/news/world/1.639249?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter
993367;1422323990;assbot;Argentine president seeks to dissolve spy agency after murky death of state prosecutor - World -  Israel News | Haaretz ... ( http://bit.ly/1zR5HEE )
993368;1422323990;asciilifeform;can use time of last block on wire.
993369;1422324003;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: kirov.
993370;1422324008;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: plain as daylight.
993371;1422324033;asciilifeform;dec. 1, 1934.
993372;1422324085;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform guy wasn't some sort of bright young thing
993373;1422324094;asciilifeform;not necessary for the analogy.
993374;1422324128;asciilifeform;1) kill inconvenient whoever 2) prattle on about 'dastardly murderers who must be brought to justice' 3) ??? 4) profit
993375;1422324194;mircea_popescu;hard to know what exactly happened there. however, there's little doubt this was a ss job.
993376;1422324200;mircea_popescu;and VERY inept one at that.
993377;1422324209;asciilifeform;'spy agency' will be abolished and replaced with another, usg-friendly one.
993378;1422324219;mircea_popescu;whether the woman was involved or wasn't, the ss should get beheaded and well shook up after this.
993379;1422324225;asciilifeform;(not a 'sixth eye' by any means, but something like german bnd)
993380;1422324230;mircea_popescu;mno, the current one is us-friendly.
993381;1422324241;asciilifeform;perhaps not enough ?
993382;1422324244;mircea_popescu;that's the thing, cristina wants to behead them.
993383;1422324250;mircea_popescu;nah, too much.
993384;1422324299;mircea_popescu;that's the facts of the matter : spy agency is inept (practically) and missaligned (ideally). it has to get gutted.
993385;1422324310;mircea_popescu;now, wehther the woman ordered them to do a job knowing they'll bothc it, or
993386;1422324320;mircea_popescu;whether some 'enemies' were inept enough to do all this and just land it in her lap,
993387;1422324324;ben_vulpes;<coderwill> there were promises of equity but nothing official that i saw (other than verbal) << how does this fly with you people - verbal contracts for a thing with nothing written. when you sign the paper that says "i will work for thus and such" do you not stink the place up for lack of options?
993388;1422324327;mircea_popescu;or whatever else, all paths lead to the same spot.
993389;1422324329;thestringpuller;asciilifeform: the private spy networks are probably much more frightening compared to say the CIA
993390;1422324331;asciilifeform;unfortunate thing is that new spy agencies tend to get made from rubble of the immediate predecessor, and never from whole cloth
993391;1422324339;ben_vulpes;i suppose you people also don't ask to see the cap table, and when told "that's privileged" don't turn around and walk out.
993392;1422324365;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform that's not even the problem. the problem is that argentina has no school, and so either it uses us educated iditos, or else what, get the russians in ?
993393;1422324386;asciilifeform;modern russians work for pay.
993394;1422324396;mircea_popescu;everyone works for pay.
993395;1422324403;mircea_popescu;until they don't.
993396;1422324410;BingoBoingo;contract hanbot?
993397;1422324413;asciilifeform;as instructors, being
993398;1422324414;mircea_popescu;shit, wikileaks worked for pay.
993399;1422324422;mircea_popescu;there's nothing to instruct here.
993400;1422324435;mircea_popescu;you can't find five argentines to rob a bank with, let alone do actual work.
993401;1422324435;asciilifeform;'argentina has no school'
993402;1422324439;mike_c;ben_vulpes: option grants must be approved by the board.
993403;1422324453;mike_c;the company has to do a 409a valuation to set the price
993404;1422324464;mike_c;their coming, we promise.
993405;1422324469;mike_c;*they're
993406;1422324481;ben_vulpes;oh the board doesn't have their shit together with regards to the employee pool?
993407;1422324484;thestringpuller;mircea_popescu: d00d, there are 0 ride or die niggas in Argentina?
993408;1422324493;mircea_popescu;mike_c ben_vulpes it's a thoroughly broken, dysfunctional and nonsensical model, andja know it.
993409;1422324494;thestringpuller;there has to be like 1
993410;1422324513;mircea_popescu;!up NhanH
993411;1422324514;ben_vulpes;at least they're serious about not trying to recruit the "best! brightest!"
993412;1422324516;mike_c;certainly.  just saying, that's how they avoid granting them on day 1 of employment.
993413;1422324563;mircea_popescu;mike_c amusingly enough, it's exactly the same process (dressed in different words) that your average romanian inkeep uses to keep the average romanian wench working under the table.
993414;1422324613;mike_c;i believe it.  welcome to life under a thumb.
993415;1422324654;mircea_popescu;moar like, "welcome to we also use windows, because stupidity doesn't stink, nor hurt."
993416;1422324679;mircea_popescu;oh gawd if only stupidity could smell.
993417;1422324688;mike_c;it does smell to some.
993418;1422324692;asciilifeform;it does. simply not everyone has a nose.
993419;1422324697;mircea_popescu;yeah. but that's what i'm saying.
993420;1422324705;mircea_popescu;smell, universally, like rotten brains in the sun.
993421;1422324714;ben_vulpes;<trinque> #btcd tells me I'll eventually be able to query address balance with just btcd and btcctl... seems like keeping its own count is fine, no? << key word - "eventually"
993422;1422324821;TheNewDeal;Universe would be too logical if a foul fecal odour were emitted in proportion to the idiocy of a statement emitted by a person
993423;1422324902;thestringpuller;TheNewDeal: lol, people have organ that makes them fart when they act like idiots
993424;1422324910;thestringpuller;would make a great south park episode
993425;1422324920;trinque;ben_vulpes: eventually is also when I'll have a fully synced blockchain
993426;1422324946;ben_vulpes;ain't it da truf
993427;1422325044;ben_vulpes;<punkman> [] https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B8PQVvEIIAI10Uw.jpg << this is what happens when even knives are outlawed
993428;1422325045;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1y19rxx )
993429;1422325050;ben_vulpes;you can rob a place with a...stick.
993430;1422325055;ben_vulpes;;;seen mrstickball
993431;1422325055;gribble;mrstickball was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 18 weeks, 4 days, 10 hours, 47 minutes, and 8 seconds ago: <Mrstickball> they are as well, AFAIK
993432;1422325061;ben_vulpes;;;seen the20year
993433;1422325061;gribble;the20year was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 23 weeks, 5 days, 5 hours, 24 minutes, and 1 second ago: <the20year> i hear they're aiming for a 0.5% APY
993434;1422325068;ben_vulpes;!t h rent
993435;1422325068;assbot;[HAVELOCK:RENT] 1D: 0.00694499 / 0.00699235 / 0.00710000 (449 shares, 3.13956438 BTC), 7D: 0.00670000 / 0.00690819 / 0.00749900 (927 shares, 6.40388833 BTC), 30D: 0.00450005 / 0.0058294 / 0.00950000 (5910 shares, 34.45176729 BTC)
993436;1422325074;asciilifeform;who is mrs. tickball ?
993437;1422325091;mike_c;brother of 20year
993438;1422325091;ben_vulpes;one of the ohians renting squats to derps
993439;1422325121;asciilifeform;unlike some of the non-usa folks here, i find it entirely plausible that nobody claimed the free coin.
993440;1422325137;asciilifeform;as experiment, go try getting a randomly selected street idiot to take a bitcoin.
993441;1422325162;ben_vulpes;as experiment, go try getting a randomly selected semi technically savvy person to take a bitcoin.
993442;1422325166;ben_vulpes;webwallets do not count.
993443;1422325171;asciilifeform;aha.
993444;1422325183;ben_vulpes;everyone who's inclined is in.
993445;1422325192;mats;hi cuties
993446;1422325214;ben_vulpes;everone else...gives zero fucks. and will continue to give zero fucks until usd/btc bubbles up again.
993447;1422325224;ben_vulpes;hey mats, how're the massachusets sluts today?
993448;1422325248;mats;indoors awaiting the snowpocalypse
993449;1422325249;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: i suspect they would even refuse a brick of, e.g., iridium. because it isn't gold, they've never seen it, have no idea of its value nor even whether it's a stable element
993450;1422325255;asciilifeform;because slept in second grade
993451;1422325276;mats;hell of a grade school
993452;1422325283;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: when 1200 usd/btc, did they take?
993453;1422325310;ben_vulpes;some
993454;1422325325;ben_vulpes;every bubble's going to bring more into the fold. hurt more when it pops.
993455;1422325329;ben_vulpes;not rocket surgery, this.
993456;1422325338;asciilifeform;'took' so they can lose to winblows, or sell at 100.
993457;1422325354;thestringpuller;the psychology of the bagholder
993458;1422325361;ben_vulpes;and also "take"? nobody was offering. selling, maybe.
993459;1422325381;asciilifeform;the psychology of not merely bagholder, but with gigantic hole in the bottom of bag
993460;1422325449;asciilifeform;every bubble's going to bring more into the fold << trying to make argument that they weren't 'in', but more like the clingers-on one sees hanging from trams and trolleybuses in the turd works
993461;1422325451;asciilifeform;*world
993462;1422325534;asciilifeform;say a demented beggar were to print 'stocks' and 'futures' on used toilet paper. for, say, exxon.
993463;1422325561;asciilifeform;a set of entirely brainless, thoroughly pickled bums - buys these 'financial instruments'
993464;1422325573;asciilifeform;are they thus 'in' the whatever bubble ?
993465;1422325599;asciilifeform;fellow using webwalled - is quite like above illustration.
993466;1422325603;asciilifeform;*wallet
993467;1422325661;BingoBoingo;Соединённые Штаты Пиндоссии
993468;1422325669;asciilifeform;aha.
993469;1422325700;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: bonus points if you track down the etymology of пиндос
993470;1422325714;asciilifeform;(hint: nothing, contrary to popular notion, to do with pederasty)
993471;1422325731;ben_vulpes;can't say as i get it. either one owns btc or one doesn't.
993472;1422325742;BingoBoingo;Πίνδος << The wrong kind of greeks
993473;1422325753;BingoBoingo;Working on that vocabulary
993474;1422325773;BingoBoingo;Roughly Idiot
993475;1422325808;asciilifeform;aha. it caught on, and no one knows (afaik) precisely why.
993476;1422325824;BingoBoingo;https://images.encyclopediadramatica.se/thumb/2/29/Pindos_1295689810643.jpg/463px-Pindos_1295689810643.jpg
993477;1422325825;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1y1ckhZ )
993478;1422325860;mod6;so currently, to set the version we must set this value: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/blob/v0.5.3/src/serialize.h#L63
993479;1422325862;assbot;bitcoin/serialize.h at v0.5.3 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1y1crdl )
993480;1422325866;BingoBoingo;The spanish pendejo sounds similar. Not sure if phonetic accident or otherwise.
993481;1422325931;mod6;and im wondering, if we use kalvin, and start at 9000 (it'll result in v0.0.90-beta) how we can ensure that other nodes won't think we're on < 0.8
993482;1422325947;asciilifeform;mod6: add zeros as needed.
993483;1422326115;[]bot;Bet placed: 3 BTC for No on "S&P 500 to drop under 1700 before March" http://bitbet.us/bet/1087/ Odds: 10(Y):90(N) by coin, 13(Y):87(N) by weight. Total bet: 10.71560018 BTC. Current weight: 39,393.
993484;1422326266;BingoBoingo;https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%9F%D0%B8%D0%BD%D0%B4%D0%BE%D1%81 << Sounds like a not impossibru explanation
993485;1422326268;assbot;Пиндос — Википедия ... ( http://bit.ly/1y1dWsb )
993486;1422326457;BingoBoingo;More on the Pindo that called for Linux to quit Linus http://www.breitbart.com/london/2015/01/21/yes-i-was-a-racist-and-im-mentally-ill-shanley-kane-in-shocking-social-media-meltdown/
993487;1422326458;assbot;'Yes, I was a racist' admits Shanley Kane - Breitbart ... ( http://bit.ly/1y1eNJ9 )
993488;1422326469;mod6;so my point here is, without a bigger overhaul to the versioning system; one would have to set 90000 to be v0.9.0, or 9000000 to be 9.0.0, but then what?  because we should be counting down.  and at some point, we'll cross the threshold of < 0.8
993489;1422326505;mod6;(900000 = v0.90.0)
993490;1422326513;mod6;so... :/
993491;1422326519;mod6;overhaul required.
993492;1422326586;mod6;anyway, i like the kalvin thing. but that'll have to be something to think about later.
993493;1422326650;BingoBoingo;What about count down from maxint
993494;1422326710;mircea_popescu;mod6 a) lord kelvin! there's no kalvin. an' b) just forget about this entire vanity version thing, why do you want to hardfork the versions now ?!
993495;1422326722;mircea_popescu;let em be, it's 0.5.3 it's 0.5.3 what of it
993496;1422326849;mod6;i was pretty set on v0.5.3.1 until ascii tells us that we might not be able to be talk to anything < 0.8 -- which to me seems weird.. because i've fully syncd a dozen times, and done send/receive np
993497;1422326867;mod6;err > 0.8
993498;1422326886;mircea_popescu;that's nonsense.
993499;1422326904;mod6;we're getting close to wrapping up a first cut of this thing. so i want to nail down any changes before we get start to roll one.
993500;1422326915;mod6;any *last minute* requirements
993501;1422326925;mircea_popescu;anyone's more than welcome to run their own blocklists, which some people do. but the entire network's built on the premise that you can'trealy isolate nodes.
993502;1422327024;mircea_popescu;<ben_vulpes> everone else...gives zero fucks. and will continue to give zero fucks until usd/btc bubbles up again. << at the time it was 50-70bux or so.
993503;1422327046;mircea_popescu;go break into one of these low income households, rape the women, kill the men, ransack the drawers.
993504;1422327054;mircea_popescu;see how many COUPONS you find. to "save" generally 5-10 bux.
993505;1422327059;decimation;re: version numbers: what about the knuth model of approching pi or something?
993506;1422327082;*;mod6 looks
993507;1422327130;decimation;ben_vulpes: technically pointy sticks are already outlawed in most us states
993508;1422327159;mircea_popescu;<asciilifeform> fellow using webwalled - is quite like above illustration. << pretty good one. especially because it happened
993509;1422327163;mod6;decimation: got a link to something about that, not seeing anything relevant
993510;1422327165;mircea_popescu;hence the boiler room name
993511;1422327189;mod6;decimation: they just outlawed sledding too
993512;1422327193;mod6;LEL
993513;1422327200;decimation;http://www-cs-faculty.stanford.edu/~uno/abcde.html "The latest and best TeX is currently version 3.14159265 (and plain.tex is version 3.141592653); METAFONT is currently version 2.7182818 (and plain.mf is version 2.71). "
993514;1422327201;assbot;Page not found | Stanford Computer Science ... ( http://bit.ly/1y1huuo )
993515;1422327208;mod6;ah thx
993516;1422327211;decimation;or were you talking about pointy sticks?
993517;1422327219;mircea_popescu;<ben_vulpes> can't say as i get it. either one owns btc or one doesn't. << one either owns real estate or doesn't. where does that leave the teenagers, inhabiting comfortable middle class homes they can't afford, and not even having to suck cock for it, like they will a decade down the road ?
993518;1422327296;mod6;decimation: i mean the pi versioning.
993519;1422327352;decimation;so the idea would be you approach some irrational number with each improvement (add a digit)
993520;1422327424;mod6;so like: a]: v3 b]: v3.1 c]: v3.14 ... ?
993521;1422327428;mircea_popescu;exactly.
993522;1422327439;decimation;of course one could just store the number of digits too
993523;1422327455;mircea_popescu;exactly.
993524;1422327466;ben_vulpes;this is getting out of hand.
993525;1422327472;ben_vulpes;stop messing with mod6's head
993526;1422327474;decimation;hehe
993527;1422327500;ben_vulpes;have the discussion sometime when we're not trying to do whatever we're trying to do this week, mk?
993528;1422327508;ben_vulpes;introduction of a new versioning system should not be an ad hoc thing.
993529;1422327514;decimation;re: ntp & bitcoind << actually, it would be possible to get ntp to 'listen' to bitcoind to keep track of time
993530;1422327602;decimation;http://www.eecis.udel.edu/~mills/ntp/html/drivers/driver28.html < with the proper configuration, one can poke the current block timestamp  (and the system clock time when the block came in off the wire) into an ntp shared memory interface
993531;1422327603;assbot;Object not found! ... ( http://bit.ly/1y1iXAX )
993532;1422327630;decimation;ntp will use its own math to average & filter time
993533;1422327697;BingoBoingo;Just have to remember that carelessly configured ntp accessible on the network is one of the DoS amplification venues we hate
993534;1422327725;decimation;no, in this case there would be no reason for ntp to be network accessible
993535;1422327771;decimation;it is only used to filter incoming timestamps & maintain the system clock
993536;1422327829;[]bot;Bet created: "Light Sweet Crude Oil (WTI) to drop under $30 before April" http://bitbet.us/bet/1112/
993537;1422327835;decimation;lol
993538;1422327835;BingoBoingo;Ah cool
993539;1422327898;BingoBoingo;Just have to make sure the toy node ntp implementation actually holds to that.
993540;1422327902;[]bot;Bet placed: 7 BTC for No on "Gold to drop under $1000 before March 2015" http://bitbet.us/bet/1101/ Odds: 10(Y):90(N) by coin, 13(Y):87(N) by weight. Total bet: 19.30387905 BTC. Current weight: 56,085.
993541;1422328138;BingoBoingo;Other serious engineering problems https://www.youtube.com/watch?x-yt-ts=1421914688&v=oc9rYaX9en8&x-yt-cl=84503534
993542;1422328140;assbot;I built my rabbit a cart and now he delivers me beer! - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1y1l3k7 )
993543;1422328658;coderwill;hi all
993544;1422328886;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes> introduction of a new versioning system should not be an ad hoc thing. << or a thing at all.
993545;1422328904;[]bot;Bet placed: 2.5 BTC for No on "Light Sweet Crude Oil (WTI) to drop under $30 before April" http://bitbet.us/bet/1112/ Odds: 29(Y):71(N) by coin, 29(Y):71(N) by weight. Total bet: 3.599 BTC. Current weight: 99,976.
993546;1422329132;TheNewDeal;wow that was a quick follow up
993547;1422329416;danielpbarron;http://m.bbc.com/news/uk-england-tyne-30946748
993548;1422329417;assbot;Rape threat found in Gateshead Travelodge room - BBC News ... ( http://bit.ly/1y1q5x0 )
993549;1422329451;danielpbarron;A woman who checked into a hotel room in Gateshead said she found the words "I'm going to rape you" on the TV screen. Travelodge said it believed someone may have used the TV manufacturer's code to change the settings.
993550;1422329465;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 48715 @ 0.00050078 = 24.3955 BTC [-] {2} 
993551;1422329495;mircea_popescu;hacking!
993552;1422329648;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16300 @ 0.00052854 = 8.6152 BTC [+] {2} 
993553;1422330002;asciilifeform;decimation: ntp shared memory interface << what have you been smoking ?!?!
993554;1422330013;asciilifeform;decimation: terrible idea. can hardly even picture how to make it worse.
993555;1422330032;asciilifeform;there is no reason to add linkages from bitcoind to kernel space.
993556;1422330044;asciilifeform;let it maintain own local time if must
993557;1422330053;asciilifeform;but as delta from system clock, in userland.
993558;1422330108;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: there is no reason whatsoever to have ntp client -or- server on that box. question was whether to use functionality built into 'u-boot' to grab ntp time from [somewhere] once, on powerup.
993559;1422330119;BingoBoingo;Ah
993560;1422330125;asciilifeform;and what to do it not (or if this results in a wild number due to diddled box on other end)
993561;1422330130;asciilifeform;*if not
993562;1422330311;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: ...see how many COUPONS you find. to "save" generally 5-10 bux << popular chumpatronic device in usa, but fading on accout of the demise of dead tree newspapers
993563;1422330364;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: modernized version of this sc4m4tr0n is 'services' where chump pays subscription (xx months Phr33333! l1mit3d t1m3!!!11) to get 'rewards' (coupons for things that he won't use / don't exist / end up costing even more than for others)
993564;1422330414;asciilifeform;sometimes this is even included as... an employment perk. at some megacorps.
993565;1422330463;asciilifeform;(it costs employer little or nothing, as the vendors the chumps are herded into using - usually pay.)
993566;1422330557;asciilifeform;hanbot et al : what tinder's doing is removing the basic requirement of... << snore. i'm thoroughly unconvinced that anyone is having any sex that would not be being had otherwise without this proggy
993567;1422330639;mircea_popescu;myeah. groupon being an effort to make this into a BILLION DOLLAR COMPANY
993568;1422330645;mircea_popescu;the sort that could "buy everything in russia"
993569;1422330657;asciilifeform;that it might more efficiently manage a queueing of women in the city for processing by local mircea_popescu - possibly
993570;1422330670;mircea_popescu;well that's the idea
993571;1422330703;asciilifeform;but it's being sold to civilians, and, more particularly, men, and that's rather like pitching captive bolt guns as a product to cattle
993572;1422330716;asciilifeform;'be slaughtered by the latest in...'
993573;1422330744;mircea_popescu;i thought it was being mostly sold to gals.
993574;1422330757;*;asciilifeform has no idea, pontificating using anal rng
993575;1422331251;decimation;asciilifeform: 'kernel space' < do you mean the shared memory api?
993576;1422331818;TheNewDeal;didn't realize it, but apparently it's possible to declare a snow emergency in the euniched states and make it illegal for anyone other than police and medical personell to use the streets
993577;1422331826;decimation;!up McNumpty
993578;1422332034;BingoBoingo;That's a fucking tiny moon http://i.kinja-img.com/gawker-media/image/upload/s--_upL2BKv--/c_fit,fl_progressive,q_80,w_636/qjkzwgw6gytdeocsxxod.gif
993579;1422332036;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/15Fmr3Y )
993580;1422332154;decimation;rare actual reporting in us media: http://arstechnica.com/business/2014/08/comcast-donations-help-company-secure-support-of-time-warner-cable-merger/ < "Both the Democratic Governors Association and Pennsylvania State Mayors’ Association pointed to Comcast’s Internet Essentials program that provides $10-per-month Internet access to low-income families. Comcast agreed to create the program in order to secure approval of its 2011
993581;1422332155;assbot;Comcast donations help company secure support for Time Warner Cable merger | Ars Technica ... ( http://bit.ly/15FmVqT )
993582;1422332155;decimation;acquisition of NBCUniversal."
993583;1422332296;asciilifeform;decimation: there's no reason to actually set the system clock from bitcoind, on account of it being the only proggy on the box that needs absolute time.
993584;1422332389;asciilifeform;decimation: comcast... internet essentials... $10-per-month << obligatory >> http://www.loper-os.org/?p=208
993585;1422332391;assbot;Loper OS » “The Internet of the Future” ... ( http://bit.ly/15FnWzm )
993586;1422332491;mats;I'm disappointed that The Imitation Game didn't go with the murder theory
993587;1422332503;mats;but overall 8/10
993588;1422332598;decimation;asciilifeform: doesn't bitcoind occasionally need wallclock time for its orphan & 'peak' algorithms?
993589;1422332625;asciilifeform;decimation: it - yes. but nothing else on the box.
993590;1422332693;TheNewDeal;damn ascii, that was in 2010?
993591;1422332748;asciilifeform;TheNewDeal: picture was drawn (not by me) even earlier.
993592;1422332765;asciilifeform;iirc circa '07, at the latest
993593;1422332771;mircea_popescu;TheNewDeal how about that! i knew katrina was a floor not a top.
993594;1422332790;decimation;asciilifeform: I suppose just setting the clock based on the timestamp of the last block seen on bootup isn't such a bad idea
993595;1422332791;EPiSKiNG-;woot
993596;1422332856;asciilifeform;decimation: not the actual (kernel) clock. bitcoind's local delta (which does not presently exist, but must be added in)
993597;1422332885;decimation;asciilifeform: how does bitcoind maintain a wallclock without the kernel's clock?
993598;1422332958;asciilifeform;decimation: easy. delta from system clock.
993599;1422332965;decimation;oh I see duh
993600;1422333073;decimation;yeah that's much simpler than gluing ntp centrifugal governor on top :)
993601;1422333186;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 37450 @ 0.00053169 = 19.9118 BTC [+] {2} 
993602;1422333209;TheNewDeal;Mircea are you referring to the hurricane?
993603;1422333293;decimation;asciilifeform: re: $10-per-month-internet < yeah, except it's even more insideous - if you are the 'right kind of people', you get the deal, otherwise you get the full monopoly
993604;1422333310;TheNewDeal;Somehow that flew over my head, not sure if it was because I'm thinking floor(x), ceiling(x)?
993605;1422333317;mircea_popescu;hey there EPiSKiNG-
993606;1422333324;EPiSKiNG-;howdy
993607;1422333330;EPiSKiNG-;glad to be here
993608;1422333331;EPiSKiNG-;:)
993609;1422333338;mircea_popescu;hehe
993610;1422333395;decimation;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tpAOwJvTOio
993611;1422333397;assbot;Original Obamaphone Lady: Obama Voter Says Vote for Obama because he gives a free Phone - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/15FsCVV )
993612;1422333424;mircea_popescu;TheNewDeal yes i am.
993613;1422333433;mircea_popescu;first time the bs "state owns the road" started afaik.
993614;1422333437;BingoBoingo;lol http://trilema.com/2015/the-strange-case-of-the-woodcollector-and-other-stories/#comment-111747
993615;1422333438;assbot;The strange case of the WoodCollector and other stories. pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.  ... ( http://bit.ly/15FsMwo )
993616;1422333513;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform usg still working on hardforking the internet, huh ?
993617;1422333544;mircea_popescu;in other news, npt : http://33.media.tumblr.com/da4bd26592ced78f77038d8abe0e627b/tumblr_mom5a2IkFe1ra163eo4_250.gif
993618;1422333546;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/15Ftaem )
993619;1422333558;mircea_popescu;http://33.media.tumblr.com/ac5cee9e293a95664a2b15f083ad7f8f/tumblr_mom5a2IkFe1ra163eo3_r1_500.gif
993620;1422333561;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/15FteuE )
993621;1422333571;asciilifeform;^ lol!!
993622;1422333656;mod6;haha
993623;1422333816;asciilifeform;usg still working on hardforking the internet << it can't ever stop, until dies. burned into its bios, or sumthinglikethat
993624;1422333942;decimation;note that usg accomplishes bifurcating the internet without actually writing down any law
993625;1422333967;decimation;'they will do it if they know what's good for them'
993626;1422333993;asciilifeform;much of the daily contact between usg and subjects has not the remotest thing to do with laws
993627;1422334008;asciilifeform;microshit, for instance, is in every way - other than law - a ministry of usg
993628;1422334015;asciilifeform;likewise the credit bureaus
993629;1422334022;asciilifeform;and a hundred other organizations.
993630;1422334028;asciilifeform;most, nominally 'private'
993631;1422334058;decimation;they all exist under the heading of some usg fiat or another, mostly from fdr days
993632;1422334119;asciilifeform;a somewhat arbitrary example - lexis nexis.
993633;1422334165;asciilifeform;try practicing law (or even doing any serious legal/political scholarship) in usa without it.
993634;1422334242;decimation;asciilifeform: not only that, lexis nexis (and like entities) even 'own' most legal codes in the us
993635;1422334259;decimation;your local city or state pays them to publish
993636;1422334265;asciilifeform;aha.
993637;1422334267;asciilifeform;hence example.
993638;1422334273;mod6;We regret to inform you that your republic has termites.
993639;1422334427;BingoBoingo;afaik Westlaw/Lexis actually hire minions to go to the courthouses to pickup and scan paper records
993640;1422334439;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform re the "private", chris ballas had an excellent piece.
993641;1422334446;mircea_popescu;"yes, it means you don't get a pension".
993642;1422334455;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: yes, that one.
993643;1422334473;asciilifeform;he was speaking of the ants, rather than the elephants, however.
993644;1422334475;mircea_popescu;mod6 has it eh.
993645;1422334500;mircea_popescu;but meanwhile, everyone's over at burning man http://41.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_logy0eAolo1qc2yxpo1_500.jpg
993646;1422334502;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/15FxiuI )
993647;1422334522;decimation;I was talking with a guy who was in korea in the early 90's.  at that time, you could easily find someone to custom tailor your entire wardrobe for a low $$ price.  he recently returned there and found no one bothers with that anymore
993648;1422334582;decimation;similarly, usg civil servants don't find much reason to bother with actual work, when coolies will do - often for free
993649;1422334604;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: That's not burning man, that is clearly the middle west.
993650;1422334637;mircea_popescu;same thing.
993651;1422334956;mircea_popescu;"The system not only pays poor people, it employs lots and lots of almost poor people. I'm not saying this is a good thing, or a desirable thing, I am simply stating a fact. Some of these are direct government jobs (e.g. staff down at the SSI office) and some are pretend private sector jobs. If you're a psychiatrist at an inner city clinic, you may think you're an independent contractor, but you're really working for T
993652;1422334956;mircea_popescu;he Man (but with no pension.)  That's the system.  Cut SSI payments and those docs-- and nurses and etc-- don't get paid."
993653;1422334958;mircea_popescu;there we go.
993654;1422334963;asciilifeform;yes, that one.
993655;1422334972;mircea_popescu;you know he deleted the original ?
993656;1422334976;asciilifeform;wait srsly ?
993657;1422334980;*;asciilifeform read it years ago
993658;1422334982;mircea_popescu;afaik http://trilema.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/11/tlp.html only surviving copy.
993659;1422334983;assbot;The Last Psychiatrist: The Terrible, Awful Truth About Supplemental Security Income ... ( http://bit.ly/15FzqTx )
993660;1422334984;TheNewDeal;bingo are you saying middle west because of the woman's size, or the foliage?
993661;1422334996;mircea_popescu;TheNewDeal i agreed because of the item collection.
993662;1422335066;trinque;could be louisiana... could be florida...
993663;1422335085;trinque;it's not as though they confine those things to a single state
993664;1422335095;BingoBoingo;TheNewDeal: foilage, trashiness of the dudes, vehicles, and woman's size.
993665;1422335101;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: he ever say, why deleted ?
993666;1422335115;mircea_popescu;some unspecified drama, but now.
993667;1422335117;mircea_popescu;no*
993668;1422335166;mircea_popescu;http://40.media.tumblr.com/36d94cf3f168d88c055c81ec4a049b7b/tumblr_mnq8fhzIZ41s9ip0zo1_500.jpg << where is this one then ?
993669;1422335167;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1yXiT9q )
993670;1422335221;TheNewDeal;this article is golden
993671;1422335264;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: Not sure, but seems more civilized.
993672;1422335278;BingoBoingo;Important things clearly labeled there
993673;1422335292;decimation;m. danton's sans-culottes didn't need laws or instructions to know who their enemies were and what to do
993674;1422335319;mats;http://dockets.justia.com/docket/circuit-courts/ca4/08-6324 << a brief amusement. someone with the surname Merica gave their son a middle name beginning with A.
993675;1422335320;assbot;US v. Rickey Merica :: Justia Dockets & Filings ... ( http://bit.ly/1yXj8By )
993676;1422335347;mircea_popescu;TheNewDeal most of what the man ever writes is golden. and unlike derps like moldbug or orlov, he a) isn't putting annoyingly self-advertising and b) doesn't actually have a pro-state agenda
993677;1422335376;mircea_popescu;decimation on one hand yes they did, on the other hand they fucked it all up.
993678;1422335409;TheNewDeal;Is this the same programmer guy who had psychiatric problems?
993679;1422335427;mats;i was under the impression most here believed the fracture of the Internet as it is now is inevitable
993680;1422335428;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: mr mold started with a very different kind of 'state agenda' (poorly articulated desire to... resurrect the stuart kings) and ended with... andreesen horowitz
993681;1422335428;mircea_popescu;http://thelastpsychiatrist.com/2011/07/the_terrible_awful_truth_about_3.html << also pretty good.
993682;1422335430;assbot;The Last Psychiatrist: The Terrible, Awful Truth About The Debt Ceiling ... ( http://bit.ly/1yXjnwc )
993683;1422335434;mircea_popescu;no, he's a clinician afaik
993684;1422335436;TheNewDeal;I remember someone giving a blog before that was almost always on psychiatric issues
993685;1422335459;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform the stuarts of all people ?!
993686;1422335484;TheNewDeal;I even remember some of the memorabilia on his website that had some catchy pschiatric puns on them
993687;1422335487;asciilifeform;afaik it was an example. he wanted to somehow bring the pre-ww1 dynasties back.
993688;1422335490;asciilifeform;cargo cult.
993689;1422335501;asciilifeform;but at least started with vaguely correct cargo.
993690;1422335527;TheNewDeal;BingoBoingo do you have any clue what blog I'm talking about? You may have referenced him before
993691;1422335592;BingoBoingo;TheNewDeal: Not at the moment. Maybe you can be more specific.
993692;1422335604;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: fact is, mr mold was not always a whore; iirc, he did run out of money, and descended into whoring from lack of a plan
993693;1422335643;TheNewDeal;The guy had some of the most advanced discussions on anti-depressants and anti-psychotics that i'd seen before on a blog
993694;1422335645;asciilifeform;quite likely somebody conveniently 'happened' to be near, to ease him onto the cock
993695;1422335672;BingoBoingo;Cake http://i.kinja-img.com/gawker-media/image/upload/s--_yIi1q34--/c_fit,fl_progressive,q_80,w_636/18unn3fork504jpg.jpg
993696;1422335673;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1yXjUhO )
993697;1422335684;mircea_popescu;well i only paid attention for a shoirt time and late on
993698;1422335705;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: 90+% of the 'good' mold is from '07-'10
993699;1422335721;BingoBoingo;TheNewDeal: this post look familiar? http://thelastpsychiatrist.com/2007/07/the_most_important_article_on.html
993700;1422335723;assbot;The Last Psychiatrist: The Most Important Article On Psychiatry You Will Ever Read ... ( http://bit.ly/1yXk34Z )
993701;1422335756;BingoBoingo;TheNewDeal: With the rum fountain?
993702;1422335776;asciilifeform;mr mold's audience is not mircea_popescu but rather an intelligent student from somewhere in usa with some curiosity about 20th century but no knowledge of euro languages and only a faint idea of civilization
993703;1422335812;mircea_popescu;i am deeply suspicious of segmented audiences.
993704;1422335824;decimation;because it's quite possible to graduate from high school in the us without actually learning anything about civilization or languages
993705;1422335827;asciilifeform;inevitably, this is an unappetizing product if you aren't the target. like a chinese motorcycle, belching black devil smoke as it goes at 20k/hr
993706;1422335836;asciilifeform;if your last car was an ox - great.
993707;1422335857;mircea_popescu;"So it is inevitable that a deal will be struck by August 2, because that deal doesn't actually mean anything.  This a is husband and wife arguing about rebalancing the household budget, each pretending they aren't going to pay the electric until he's agreed to cut back on beer and she's agreed not to be such a bitch.  Whether they do it or not is irrelevant, the electric's still getting paid.  The electric always gets
993708;1422335857;mircea_popescu; paid, it has to, we need it for the chairs."
993709;1422335858;mircea_popescu;win.
993710;1422335883;TheNewDeal;hmm it's not looking entirely familiar but I'm going to have to page through it.
993711;1422335898;asciilifeform;steve dutch had an almost identical explanation of same
993712;1422335907;asciilifeform;it's reasonably common knowledge in usa
993713;1422335913;mircea_popescu;reading that whole site's never been a bad use of anyone's time
993714;1422335914;asciilifeform;(the basic mechanics)
993715;1422335916;mircea_popescu;cheaper than trilema, too
993716;1422335923;*;asciilifeform read
993717;1422335939;decimation;I remember when moldbug put up his first 'begging' post - it was obvious the gig was up
993718;1422335957;*;asciilifeform got into reading tlp when was on the wild ragged outskirts of pharma racket
993719;1422335988;asciilifeform;(usg lab)
993720;1422336032;asciilifeform;decimation: he said what i believe was the truth in that post - ran out of money, given as his winnings from 'dotcom' idiocy were not enough to live an entire life as a cultured man, but only about a decade
993721;1422336050;asciilifeform;'even with plenty of fairly successful precious metal speculation' were, iirc, his words
993722;1422336092;asciilifeform;i'm not in a position to say what he ought to have done instead of, well, what he did.
993723;1422336152;mircea_popescu;most of the women i pick up manage to live their lives and pay their rents without any dotcom gifts or "speculation".
993724;1422336164;asciilifeform;they aren't trying to live as cultured man.
993725;1422336171;mircea_popescu;whatever that means.
993726;1422336178;asciilifeform;mr mold's example was, if i recall, his '300/mo. book bill'
993727;1422336226;mircea_popescu;this entire discussion is about 50k worth of wood pulp ?!
993728;1422336253;asciilifeform;ask him how he blew his load
993729;1422336257;asciilifeform;i have only a faint clue
993730;1422336285;asciilifeform;for example, we know that he decided to have not one but even two childre
993731;1422336286;asciilifeform;n
993732;1422336292;asciilifeform;while 'running out of money'
993733;1422336293;decimation;well, buying real estate near san francisco was probably his first mistake
993734;1422336295;mircea_popescu;i thought we were discussing an abstract model of "the cultured man"
993735;1422336309;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform i doubt the man decided anything in there.
993736;1422336323;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: he presumably picked wife, rather than being issued one
993737;1422336325;asciilifeform;as in the army joke
993738;1422336330;mircea_popescu;odds are, woman decided to have children, his choice was whether to pay a lawyer AND the woman orjust the woman.
993739;1422336342;mircea_popescu;i know very few us men that pick wife.
993740;1422336347;asciilifeform;'sapper errs twice, once when choosing profession'
993741;1422336349;TheNewDeal;BingoBoingo this definitely is one of the article I was reading > I remember seeing the receptors lined up as a fountain
993742;1422336371;mircea_popescu;generally, the sort of overgrown boy that doesn't shoot his own horse is in no position to pick anything. woman picks like at the fair.
993743;1422336388;BingoBoingo;The Rum fountain. No author appears to be a forensic pyschiatrist as he self describes.
993744;1422336398;asciilifeform;back to 'cultured man' - i'd say that living 'life of the mind' in usa is not cheap. regardless of what kind of hero you might be. a dwelling without random bozos sharing it, for instance, is $xxxx/mo.
993745;1422336438;asciilifeform;anywhere, afaik, in usa, but the wildest wolf forest or the meanest urban ash heap
993746;1422336450;mircea_popescu;by the way : is the vc circus of the belief that the well proven, on the courthouse record, role of one of the "big four" accounting companies in asset inflation and bubble pumping has been forgotten ?
993747;1422336468;mircea_popescu;rethorical question, not for they present, but for the absent if avid readers.
993748;1422336484;asciilifeform;arthur anderson ?
993749;1422336488;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform in ohio ? $300.
993750;1422336494;asciilifeform;ohio - wolf
993751;1422336508;decimation;lol even in ohio a place near civilization is around $1000
993752;1422336508;mircea_popescu;;;google Arthur Anderson enron accounting scandal
993753;1422336509;gribble;Arthur Andersen - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arthur_Andersen>; Enron scandal - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Enron_scandal>; Arthur Anderson Auditors and Enron: What happened to their Texas ...: <http://www.aabri.com/manuscripts/11899.pdf>
993754;1422336519;mircea_popescu;decimation civilisation comes out of a utp cable.
993755;1422336524;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: everybody remembers arthur anderson
993756;1422336532;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: if only!
993757;1422336542;decimation;utp - cannot eat
993758;1422336548;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: i'm paying 'book bill' that isn't that much lower than mr mold
993759;1422336582;asciilifeform;library subscription, even (they are as we speak sc4mz0r1ing nickel&dime by pretending a certain volume was not returned. mega-lol)
993760;1422336597;asciilifeform;not everything is on the net. this is a fact.
993761;1422336608;decimation;asciilifeform: you can go down to the library of congress physically
993762;1422336618;asciilifeform;in certain professions one does not have the luxury of arbitrarily proclaiming 'if not on the net, doesn't exist'
993763;1422336630;asciilifeform;decimation: time is money
993764;1422336664;asciilifeform;sitting in loc with spy camera - laborious.
993765;1422336668;BingoBoingo;LoC does not lend
993766;1422336672;asciilifeform;aha.
993767;1422336679;asciilifeform;see above.
993768;1422336686;decimation;heh do they even allow cameras?  or do you have to be sneaky?
993769;1422336710;asciilifeform;officially, most academic libraries in usa forbid private cameras.
993770;1422336722;asciilifeform;i've never heard of anyone being thrown out for having one as of yet.
993771;1422336746;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform cultured right ?
993772;1422336747;asciilifeform;esp. in the age of the Pnohe
993773;1422336762;*;asciilifeform tries for cultured
993774;1422336777;mircea_popescu;well look. this is like playing patanque in a boat.
993775;1422336796;mircea_popescu;so, if "cultured man" is some sort of scholarly gentleman, then one needs some rather commonly available books.
993776;1422336808;asciilifeform;neh i ought to have been more specific.
993777;1422336831;asciilifeform;what i meant was, someone whose primary avocation is thinking. and yes, it is possible to do this in a forest, in log cabin, like unabomber.
993778;1422336839;asciilifeform;but not typical.
993779;1422336902;BingoBoingo;http://news.slashdot.org/story/15/01/27/0125221/davos-2015-less-innovation-more-regulation-more-unrest-run-away
993780;1422336903;assbot;Davos 2015: Less Innovation, More Regulation, More Unrest. Run Away! - Slashdot ... ( http://bit.ly/1yXmpkj )
993781;1422336914;asciilifeform;at any rate, it isn't about the bookz.
993782;1422336977;asciilifeform;price other, more mundane things, in usa. like 'have 100+ m^2 dwelling to yourself, with climate control, one that isn't falling apart'
993783;1422336984;asciilifeform;'eat non-recycled food'
993784;1422336988;asciilifeform;'sleep ad libitum'
993785;1422336996;*;asciilifeform can't even afford ^ yet
993786;1422337029;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14500 @ 0.00053193 = 7.713 BTC [+] {2} 
993787;1422337043;asciilifeform;'sleep ad libitum' costs ~100kusd+ of specifically -non-wage- income, for example.
993788;1422337339;decimation;asciilifeform: for 'passive investments' available to the public, that implies a net worth of > $3 mil
993789;1422337344;asciilifeform;at least.
993790;1422337358;asciilifeform;add a zero if you want complete isolation from economic reality
993791;1422337372;asciilifeform;add two zeros if going for total isolation including expatriation on a day's notice
993792;1422337376;decimation;of course, in an account that isn't locked away by some deal with usg re: taxes
993793;1422337392;mats;BingoBoingo: at a later date, i'd like some assistance with reviewing and rating materials from the courts-circus project. would you be interested?
993794;1422337394;asciilifeform;goes without saying when said 'income'
993795;1422337404;asciilifeform;chump money that you 'have' somewhere - is not income.
993796;1422337445;BingoBoingo;mats: Maybe. Still experiencing brainrot for IRL reddit this weekend so am hesitant to make commitments atm.
993797;1422337503;asciilifeform;http://www.irky.org/home/pogoplug_jtag << jtag pinouts for 'pogo'. he has a v2 (not 4) but pinout is same.
993798;1422337504;assbot;pogoplug_jtag - Irky ... ( http://bit.ly/1yXnHM8 )
993799;1422337576;decimation;asciilifeform: does it have a header already installed (v4)?
993800;1422337580;BingoBoingo;mats: I'll probably be amenable to assisting though.
993801;1422337582;asciilifeform;decimation: nope.
993802;1422337609;asciilifeform;decimation: it isn't standard (2.54mm) pitch, either.
993803;1422337634;asciilifeform;just solder on naked wires with pinsockets on other end and be done with it.
993804;1422337635;*;asciilifeform did
993805;1422337657;mircea_popescu;<asciilifeform> but not typical. << so much bs. looky here : henry miller did just fine, bumming bowls of soup.
993806;1422337669;asciilifeform;yes, diogenes did fine in barrel.
993807;1422337678;asciilifeform;to demand that every thinker be diogenes ?!
993808;1422337684;mircea_popescu;because back then the average american understood himself as a peniless tramp, that's fortunate to even be allowed in europe at all.
993809;1422337706;mircea_popescu;seems a lot more productive. the exiled russian thinkers did pretty good in ny. a lot better, at any rate, than the nysu "professors"
993810;1422337720;asciilifeform;heaviside, for instance, couldn't really think without standing next to a monstrous roaring gas flame (he actually had to smash a pipe)
993811;1422337736;mircea_popescu;aha.
993812;1422337739;asciilifeform;ask him to go in barrel, sure.
993813;1422337763;asciilifeform;ask j.c.maxwell to give up his horse and hunting ground.
993814;1422337766;mats;BingoBoingo: ok.
993815;1422337773;asciilifeform;still equations? maybe yes. maybe no.
993816;1422337787;ben_vulpes;https://github.com/mame/quine-relay
993817;1422337788;assbot;mame/quine-relay · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1yXoht9 )
993818;1422337788;asciilifeform;ask lord kelvin to work for a living, while at it.
993819;1422337807;mircea_popescu;so the problem here is thjat some peniless tramp gave himself a lordship that he then couldn't finance ?
993820;1422337817;mircea_popescu;seems rather the opposite of either cultured or man.
993821;1422337835;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: think of it this way. space probe has radiotherm battery.
993822;1422337842;asciilifeform;it's good for ~30 years. after that - brick.
993823;1422337851;asciilifeform;'it gave itself a lordship it couldn't finance' ?
993824;1422337883;mircea_popescu;quite.
993825;1422337921;asciilifeform;if i could live like, e.g., taleb, for 20 years, with the understanding of being impaled after - i would. i don't particularly need being fifty for anything.
993826;1422337921;mircea_popescu;mats: its hilarious that anyone wanted to pay so much as 1mn for blockchain.info << you are thinking money as in, someone earned / saved these. that's not what's happening there : they're spending money that was simply created by yellen / conjured up by accounting fraud / etc.
993827;1422337926;mircea_popescu;these two are incomparable.
993828;1422337950;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform that is where we differ. i would live like no man, and i would impale anyone trying.
993829;1422337952;decimation;ben_vulpes: lol
993830;1422337973;asciilifeform;'like taleb' ~~= 'sleep ad libitum'
993831;1422338005;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9300 @ 0.00053193 = 4.9469 BTC [+]
993832;1422338016;asciilifeform;used him as example because folks here all (?) read him and mr t expounds at great length re: 'what it means to really live'
993833;1422338079;mircea_popescu;yeah but the problem is still exposed : to live like one pleases specifically can not carry a rider of time limited.
993834;1422338087;mircea_popescu;it breaks the entire construction.
993835;1422338101;asciilifeform;we all get time-limited, lol
993836;1422338107;asciilifeform;just not as neatly.
993837;1422338126;asciilifeform;who did first rate maths after 50? erdos? can't think of more than one or two names
993838;1422338151;mircea_popescu;http://www.theguardian.com/public-leaders-network/2015/jan/23/nervous-super-rich-planning-escapes-davos-2015 << not so bad.
993839;1422338153;assbot;As inequality soars, the nervous super rich are already planning their escapes | Public Leaders Network | The Guardian ... ( http://bit.ly/1yXp5OL )
993840;1422338168;decimation;oil is a terrible store of value - it halved in only a few weeks!  it's a good idea though, I'm going to wait for the next generation of chemical energy movement & storage
993841;1422338196;asciilifeform;'buying airstrips and farms in remote areas' - what, farming with their own hands!? lol
993842;1422338205;decimation;re: lifetime < 'My name is Ozymandias, king of kings:
993843;1422338206;decimation;Look on my works, ye Mighty, and despair!'
993844;1422338234;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform the whole piece is a neat summary of just how idiotic the demo is.
993845;1422338241;mircea_popescu;really, look, rich people are affraid of reddit!111
993846;1422338245;mircea_popescu;occupy mattered!!11
993847;1422338255;decimation;except the rich jew who owns it?
993848;1422338272;mircea_popescu;shut up and pay no attention to the man behind the curtain.
993849;1422338298;asciilifeform;article << mega-snore
993850;1422338308;asciilifeform;3qu4l1ty!
993851;1422338311;mircea_popescu;no it's informatively stupid.
993852;1422338327;decimation;well, there was a time for getting out of Paris
993853;1422338331;mircea_popescu;like a discussion among 12 yo boys about what makes women sluts.
993854;1422338361;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: my understanding is that most folks in usa get mental picture of 'what the rich do' from film
993855;1422338483;asciilifeform;just like to them 'economics is what happens at the grocery counter' (from mircea_popescu article ?)
993856;1422338498;decimation;asciilifeform: do you think that 'actual rich' don't get ideas from film too?
993857;1422338524;asciilifeform;'the actual rich' as a monolithic whole is, i dare say, a fictional trope as well
993858;1422338599;decimation;http://www.denverpost.com/ci_21351638/billionaire-bill-koch-colorado-town-private
993859;1422338600;assbot;Billionaire Bill Koch's new Colorado town is a private Old West marvel - The Denver Post ... ( http://bit.ly/1yXq7Ky )
993860;1422338671;asciilifeform;anything i, for instance, might say about the genuinely rich (folks entirely and permanently insulated from economic reality, who can finance wars, etc.) is likely to be laughably wrong - what i know of them is largely like what i know of the wonderful fish that live kilometres below in the sea - that is, stemming largely from inference using physical fact and thirdhand clues
993861;1422338833;asciilifeform;decimation: what is he supposed to do? he already bought 'sleep ad libitum'
993862;1422338850;decimation;heh yeah might as well buy personal town for his toys
993863;1422338908;decimation;actually compared to 'rich men' of the past, folks with mere $ billions are rather poor
993864;1422338914;asciilifeform;perhaps after usg implodes he can buy some people to fill it with
993865;1422338919;asciilifeform;living by period rules
993866;1422338957;decimation;j.p. morgan singlehandly bailed out banking ca. 1907
993867;1422338962;asciilifeform;decimation: aha. quite a few of them, for instance, probably have difficulty even buying sex safely
993868;1422339023;asciilifeform;'progressives' like to trot out examples of 'the people of the past could not buy an ipNohe for any price'
993869;1422339026;decimation;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-01-2015#979012 http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-01-2015#979013
993870;1422339026;assbot;Logged on 16-01-2015 04:45:19; mircea_popescu: decimation it's as fucking unbriliant as a lump of coal. at the end of the week, instead of having a decent steak and a game of bridge with intellgient people,
993871;1422339026;assbot;Logged on 16-01-2015 04:45:31; mircea_popescu: you're stuck hiding in your gated compound from imaginary niggers.
993872;1422339037;asciilifeform;the say 'richest king could not buy a plasma tv'
993873;1422339069;asciilifeform;to which i answer, today's richest king cannot buy quite a few things that common beggar had a century ago.
993874;1422339074;asciilifeform;like a functioning culture
993875;1422339088;asciilifeform;or rather, gemeinschaft
993876;1422339091;decimation;right.  w.r.t. stuff, we are 'rich', but w.r.t. people, we are all poor
993877;1422339093;asciilifeform;(more specifically)
993878;1422339300;decimation;even if herr koch wanted to create a 'functional german hamlet' from ukraine, (for instance), how could he possibly do it without making it like disneyland?
993879;1422339325;asciilifeform;the only kind of animal in a disneyland is - stuffed.
993880;1422339358;TheNewDeal;!down TheNewDeal
993881;1422339400;asciilifeform;i do not know enough about koch to say whether he is likely to become a post-usg sovereign who might conceivably carry out experiments with artificial fucktopias
993882;1422339425;asciilifeform;possibly it'll be his driver, who will cut off his head and display it on a pike to a cheering crowd, and not him
993883;1422339464;decimation;I suspect 'rich in bezzlars' will not convey post-usg sovereignty
993884;1422339478;asciilifeform;not automatically, no
993885;1422339483;decimation;'rich in oil' maybe
993886;1422339524;asciilifeform;rich in difficult-throats-cut-on-demand.
993887;1422339532;asciilifeform;everything else - from it.
993888;1422339626;*;asciilifeform rather than crapping out further conjecture re: deep ocean fish - goes to bed.
993889;1422339639;decimation;aye, m. danton-style.  the trouble is, there's always herr guillotine waiting for yezhov
993890;1422339649;decimation;good night sir
993891;1422339653;decimation;!down decimation
993892;1422340432;mircea_popescu;<asciilifeform> 'the actual rich' as a monolithic whole is, i dare say, a fictional trope as well << what, and i suppose the island of beautiful women doens't exist, either ?!
993893;1422340526;mircea_popescu;decimation> j.p. morgan singlehandly bailed out banking ca. 1907 << nah, it was more like teh mp effect.
993894;1422340543;mircea_popescu;generaly confidence crises can be unwound by a party universally trusted that's techniocally competent
993895;1422340557;mircea_popescu;that's kinda how the notion of the central banker was born. it does make economic / financial sense.
993896;1422340566;mircea_popescu;however, not in the current bastardization
993897;1422340612;mircea_popescu;(the college professor also makes intellectual sense, but the current day implementation has nothing to do with the thing that makes sense - "why is he a professor ? " "because all these people know him, respect him and wish to be his studends" vs "why are you his student ?" "because hes the professor"
993898;1422340644;mircea_popescu;<asciilifeform> 'progressives' like to trot out examples of 'the people of the past could not buy an ipNohe for any price' << except current folk can not get stuff like... tomatoes, for any price.
993899;1422340653;mircea_popescu;or, in most cases, a competent cunt.
993900;1422340705;mircea_popescu;<asciilifeform> i do not know enough about koch to say < i do. he's old. this is a game for men, not for codgers.
993901;1422343800;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 171 @ 0.1000528 = 17.109 BTC [-] {19} 
993902;1422344653;mircea_popescu;!up Newar
993903;1422344673;punkman;http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/C/CB_CUBA_SECRET_NETWORK?SITE=AP&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT
993904;1422344675;assbot;News from The Associated Press ... ( http://bit.ly/1y2dgmg )
993905;1422344746;punkman;"blocked from the network by their peers for  as a little as a day for minor infractions such as slowing down SNet  with file-sharing outside prescribed hours, with lifetime bans for  violations like distributing pornography."
993906;1422344751;punkman;no porn lol
993907;1422344979;mircea_popescu;"We don't mess with anybody. All we want to do is play games, share healthy ideas. We don't try to influence the government or what's happening in Cuba ... We do the right thing and they let us keep at it."
993908;1422344980;mircea_popescu;heh.
993909;1422345207;mircea_popescu;speaking of the derps behind the derpage : "Sara Miller McCune was born into a middle-class Jewish family in Manhattan. She was international president of B'nai B'rith Girls at the age of 19, and has spoken of the importance of tzedakah."
993910;1422345216;mircea_popescu;check out what's notable on wikipedia :D
993911;1422345266;mircea_popescu;anyway, if you want to hang someone for the horrible state of publishing and/or us business culture these days, she's as good as anyone.
993912;1422345281;fluffypony;have we discussed the Croatian president yet?
993913;1422345291;fluffypony;http://i.imgur.com/M18fd7W.jpg
993914;1422345293;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/18nyvc7 )
993915;1422345302;fluffypony;Greece could learn from that
993916;1422345315;mircea_popescu;sort-of an social sciences o'reilly.
993917;1422345331;mircea_popescu;o wow srsly ?
993918;1422345340;fluffypony;yarp
993919;1422345351;punkman;http://www.zarpa.gr/wp-content/uploads/2014/12/palto-photo-mesa.jpg
993920;1422345352;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/18nyJzW )
993921;1422345352;mircea_popescu;uh. Ivo Josipović
993922;1422345357;mircea_popescu;whay u scam me!
993923;1422345400;fluffypony;Kolinda Grabar-Kitarovic
993924;1422345403;mircea_popescu;o wow, right you are. yeap
993925;1422345406;fluffypony;beat Ivo
993926;1422345411;mircea_popescu;next month
993927;1422345419;mircea_popescu;;;google Kolinda Grabar-Kitarović  nude
993928;1422345420;gribble;Borba za Sinčićeve birače: Što nude Josipović i Kolinda? — RTL ...: <http://www.rtl.hr/vijesti/novosti/predsjednicki-izbori/1466805/borba-za-sinciceve-birace-sto-nude-josipovic-i-kolinda/>; Video: Borba za Sinčićeve birače: Što nude Josipović i Kolinda ...: <http://www.rtl.hr/video/vijesti/60838/borba-za-sinciceve-birace-sto-nude-josipovic-i-kolinda/>; Što Ivo (1 more message)
993929;1422345432;fluffypony;lol
993930;1422345499;mircea_popescu;and on that note... i'm off.
993931;1422346401;punkman;http://www.cbc.ca/news/business/ibm-says-several-thousand-layoffs-on-the-way-1.2931612
993932;1422346403;assbot;IBM says 'several thousand' layoffs on the way - Business - CBC News ... ( http://bit.ly/18nC7uJ )
993933;1422346410;punkman;aaaand it's gone!
993934;1422346560;mats;itsa winter wonderland!
993935;1422346601;mats;i am disappointed the snow is not piled higher. this is not the apocalypse i was promised!
993936;1422347522;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20135 @ 0.00051884 = 10.4468 BTC [-]
993937;1422347845;punkman;http://globalguerrillas.typepad.com/globalguerrillas/2015/01/jihadi-entrepreneurs-and-the-ipo-of-the-century.html
993938;1422347847;assbot;Jihadi Entrepreneurs and the IPO of the Century - Global Guerrillas ... ( http://bit.ly/1y2lnzh )
993939;1422348314;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26350 @ 0.00049208 = 12.9663 BTC [-]
993940;1422348529;[]bot;Bet placed: 1 BTC for No on "Bitcoin to drop under $100 before April" http://bitbet.us/bet/1108/ Odds: 16(Y):84(N) by coin, 17(Y):83(N) by weight. Total bet: 7.87303349 BTC. Current weight: 84,349.
993941;1422348863;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 1000 @ 0.00112695 = 1.127 BTC [+] {2} 
993942;1422350449;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 9900 @ 0.00112866 = 11.1737 BTC [+] {18} 
993943;1422354049;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 3229 @ 0.00108028 = 3.4882 BTC [-] {11} 
993944;1422354054;jurov;asciilifeform: it's http://btc.yt/lxr/satoshi/source/ , the "ml." was my mistake
993945;1422354054;assbot;Satoshi 0.5.3.chicken/ ... ( http://bit.ly/1D29g8y )
993946;1422354170;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 49950 @ 0.00048103 = 24.0274 BTC [-] {4} 
993947;1422357343;davout;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=27-01-2015#993816 <<< such meta, very lol
993948;1422357343;assbot;Logged on 27-01-2015 05:49:47; ben_vulpes: https://github.com/mame/quine-relay
993949;1422359382;Naphex;http://vimeo.com/116605178 Delve essays just keep getting better
993950;1422359383;assbot;Bananas, Sardines and Sharks on Vimeo ... ( http://bit.ly/1DcSWCb )
993951;1422364062;mircea_popescu;mats: i am disappointed the snow is not piled higher. this is not the apocalypse i was promised! << usg makes a habit to overpromise and underdeliver.
993952;1422364419;mircea_popescu;!up p15_
993953;1422364601;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 978 @ 0.00108 = 1.0562 BTC [-] {4} 
993954;1422365031;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 50643 @ 0.00048268 = 24.4444 BTC [+]
993955;1422366858;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 37450 @ 0.00048533 = 18.1756 BTC [+]
993956;1422369420;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 42300 @ 0.00048146 = 20.3658 BTC [-] {2} 
993957;1422371616;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 6971 @ 0.001118 = 7.7936 BTC [+]
993958;1422372298;BingoBoingo;<asciilifeform> the only kind of animal in a disneyland is - stuffed. << Plenty of cats to eat the mice and rats.
993959;1422373034;davout;https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=CVE-2015-0235
993960;1422373036;assbot;Bug 1183461 – CVE-2015-0235 glibc: __nss_hostname_digits_dots() heap-based buffer overflow ... ( http://bit.ly/1z6fvHR )
993961;1422373037;davout;dat CVE
993962;1422374152;mircea_popescu;davout wow.
993963;1422374178;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 4846 @ 0.00111799 = 5.4178 BTC [-] {3} 
993964;1422374218;mircea_popescu;!up mapop
993965;1422374378;mircea_popescu;veronique Loquet - AL'X Communication vloquet at alx-communication.com << she found it.
993966;1422374435;mircea_popescu;nah scratch that, she's just pr.
993967;1422375261;mircea_popescu;https://security-tracker.debian.org/tracker/CVE-2015-0235 << eglibc too lol.
993968;1422375262;assbot;CVE-2015-0235 ... ( http://bit.ly/1Bk2qci )
993969;1422375504;BingoBoingo;http://qntra.net/2015/01/rumor-centurylink-may-buy-cointerra/
993970;1422375504;assbot;Rumor: CenturyLink May Buy CoinTerra | Qntra.net ... ( http://bit.ly/1yLhDFZ )
993971;1422375531;TomServo;Ha, wouldn't that be something.
993972;1422375556;mircea_popescu;;;isup sourceware.org
993973;1422375560;gribble;sourceware.org is down
993974;1422376278;asciilifeform;https://sourceware.org/git/?p=glibc.git;a=commitdiff;h=d5dd6189d506068ed11c8bfa1e1e9bffde04decd;hp=fef94eab0bd308d5059a2588c753bf9a4926845d << works
993975;1422376279;assbot;sourceware.org Git - glibc.git/commitdiff ... ( http://bit.ly/1yLj1sr )
993976;1422376496;BingoBoingo;!up Alina-malina
993977;1422376506;Alina-malina;tnx
993978;1422376589;[]bot;Bet placed: 1 BTC for No on "Bitcoin to drop under $150 before March" http://bitbet.us/bet/1107/ Odds: 16(Y):84(N) by coin, 20(Y):80(N) by weight. Total bet: 6.61929562 BTC. Current weight: 66,037.
993979;1422376604;BingoBoingo;mats: http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_slatest/2015/01/27/bowe_bergdahl_desertion_charges_idaho_pow_freed_in_2014_is_accused.html
993980;1422376606;assbot;Bowe Bergdahl desertion charges: Idaho POW freed in 2014 is accused (update: Army denies). ... ( http://bit.ly/1yLjBpU )
993981;1422377300;BingoBoingo;!up diatonic
993982;1422377419;asciilifeform;https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/blob/d05c03ab4ed23389b1326f9b7c77a8d7b8d6588d/src/net.cpp#L268
993983;1422377421;assbot;bitcoin/net.cpp at d05c03ab4ed23389b1326f9b7c77a8d7b8d6588d · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1yLla7k )
993984;1422377533;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 47414 @ 0.00047389 = 22.469 BTC [-] {2} 
993985;1422378039;thestringpuller;asciilifeform: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/search?utf8=%E2%9C%93&q=gethostbyname
993986;1422381498;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 30000 @ 0.00005999 = 1.7997 BTC [+] {2} 
993987;1422381676;asciilifeform;http://www.openwall.com/lists/oss-security/2015/01/27/9
993988;1422381676;assbot;oss-security - Qualys Security Advisory CVE-2015-0235 - GHOST: glibc gethostbyname buffer overflow ... ( http://bit.ly/1zr7C2Y )
993989;1422381693;asciilifeform;^ detailed autopsy
993990;1422381987;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6976 @ 0.00046978 = 3.2772 BTC [-]
993991;1422382312;mats;http://www.ibtimes.co.in/valve-economist-yanis-varoufakis-appointed-finance-minister-greece-621689
993992;1422382313;assbot;Valve Economist Yanis Varoufakis Appointed Finance Minister of Greece ... ( http://bit.ly/1zrcfKD )
993993;1422382442;mats;guy talks here http://youtu.be/iVxaTC7Qp44
993994;1422382443;assbot;The Global Minotaur: The Crash of 2008 and the Euro-Zone Crisis in Historical Perspective - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1zrdcCC )
993995;1422382516;BingoBoingo;His dribbling bullshit http://yanisvaroufakis.eu/2013/04/22/bitcoin-and-the-dangerous-fantasy-of-apolitical-money/
993996;1422382517;assbot;Bitcoin and the dangerous fantasy of ‘apolitical’ money | Yanis Varoufakis ... ( http://bit.ly/1zrdKrX )
993997;1422382828;mats;good find
993998;1422383389;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 68000 @ 0.00006999 = 4.7593 BTC [+] {7} 
993999;1422384185;TomServo;In case anyone missed it, diff change: -6.14%.
994000;1422384359;BingoBoingo;;;bc,stats
994001;1422384363;gribble;Current Blocks: 340726 | Current Difficulty: 4.127287389469702E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 342719 | Next Difficulty In: 1993 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 2 weeks, 1 day, 1 hour, 30 minutes, and 29 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 52840319672.6 | Estimated Percent Change: 28.02675
994002;1422385530;asciilifeform;https://raw.githubusercontent.com/DestroyFX/nxtoo-portage/master/metadata/news/2014-03-12-profile-eapi-5/2014-03-12-profile-eapi-5.en.txt << gentoo shitgnomery
994003;1422385531;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1Cdnve1 )
994004;1422385647;asciilifeform;if but all current gentoo devs had but one neck...
994005;1422386257;trinque;asciilifeform: I'm considering jumping ship to a BSD soon as I feel like it's an informed decision
994006;1422386317;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 1425 @ 0.0010988 = 1.5658 BTC [-]
994007;1422386336;asciilifeform;trinque: hope you don't own anything but the most classical hardware.
994008;1422386360;asciilifeform;trinque: and don't ever run closed-source linux proggys
994009;1422386375;trinque;former, neh, mountain of complexity lenovo laptop
994010;1422386381;trinque;later neh, only compiled stuff
994011;1422386398;trinque;*latter
994012;1422386500;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 1345 @ 0.00108638 = 1.4612 BTC [-] {12} 
994013;1422386535;thestringpuller;asciilifeform: USGavinCoin is real. http://www.americanbanker.com/bankthink/the-cryptocurrency-that-dare-not-speak-its-name-1072352-1.html Because they couldn't find a way to create bitcoin bars full of lead, they are going to hijack bitcoin and use it to their whim.
994014;1422386597;trinque;asciilifeform: I've got 150 packages in world; still have no idea how this system works
994015;1422386615;trinque;dunno what chance I have of feeling that I do on say OpenBSD either..
994016;1422386810;trinque;why the fuck for example do I have some daemon running for accessibility
994017;1422386861;trinque;seems to be related to running anything gtk
994018;1422387080;Apocalyptic;trinque, quick fix: nuke X-server and all gui-related stuff
994019;1422387180;trinque;I could get away with nothing-but-emacs in a vt for most of what I do
994020;1422387200;trinque;should probably just delegate web browsing to another device
994021;1422387249;trinque;then I'll just start bitching about the hardware complexity next
994022;1422387263;*;trinque pitches lenovo out window
994023;1422387293;trinque;actually happened to a dell p4 whatever after it overheated for the last time
994024;1422387696;asciilifeform;thestringpuller: nothing about this in linked article (appears to be about a proposal, somewhere deep in the bureaucracy, to use an altcoin for internal u.s. cental bank movements)
994025;1422387697;punkman;yeah I wonder why I can't find a laptop that doesn't overheat
994026;1422387702;trinque;Unexpected failure when checking for existing inventory during inv message processing: open /mnt/mainnet/blocks_leveldb/902277.ldb: input/output error << 1800 computer
994027;1422387724;trinque;has serious hardware issues
994028;1422387744;thestringpuller;asciilifeform: my theory is too difficult/much effort to make their own alt + (shit MP said about altcoins being worthless), so they will just fork bitcoin and try and steal it.
994029;1422387748;trinque;lenovo is supposed to be sending me a box to ship it back... I'll unmount and re-mount the usb drive and it'll work fine
994030;1422387842;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 36750 @ 0.00046253 = 16.998 BTC [-] {2} 
994031;1422387903;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28800 @ 0.00045845 = 13.2034 BTC [-]
994032;1422388020;punkman;lol idiot http://yanisvaroufakis.eu/2013/04/22/bitcoin-and-the-dangerous-fantasy-of-apolitical-money/#comment-33143
994033;1422388022;assbot;Bitcoin and the dangerous fantasy of ‘apolitical’ money | Yanis Varoufakis ... ( http://bit.ly/15KhTcI )
994034;1422389632;danielpbarron;https://imgur.com/a/r0mZM
994035;1422389633;assbot;                    BWallet - Imgur ... ( http://bit.ly/15Kr2ly )
994036;1422389698;jurov;mo6 ben_vulpes asciilifeform was the version debate concluded somehow?
994037;1422389790;mod6;for now
994038;1422389796;mod6;we're using v0.5.3.1
994039;1422390002;thestringpuller;v0.5.3.0.0.0.0.1
994040;1422390004;thestringpuller;lol
994041;1422390063;trinque;game of versioning snake?
994042;1422390078;mod6;i think he's trying to make a v6 addr
994043;1422390160;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16100 @ 0.00040218 = 6.4751 BTC [-]
994044;1422390439;lobbes;<mod6> we're using v0.5.3.1 << forgive my ignorance, but this build can be found here: http://thebitcoin.foundation/v0.5.3-0-gd05c03a.tar.gz ?
994045;1422390440;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/18qxNer )
994046;1422390498;lobbes;and then just apply patches, correct?
994047;1422390875;thestringpuller;;;google dave chappelle on slutty clothing
994048;1422390876;gribble;Dave Chappelle - Women Send Confusing Messages To Men ...: <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fL-1kHxsavI>; Dave Chapelle on how women dress. - YouTube: <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2OBPaenkxdg>; 1:12 Dave Chappelle Psychology of Men and Women (whore clothing): <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TqP4dsvHWf4>
994049;1422391517;jurov;lobbes: http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2015-January/000030.html this i guess
994050;1422391518;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1BkT9AG )
994051;1422391526;jurov;i need to try it myself
994052;1422391709;jurov;http://btc.yt/lxr/satoshi/search?_filestring=&_string=gethostbyname yay this works finally too
994053;1422391710;assbot;Satoshi 0.5.3.chicken general search: gethostbyname ... ( http://bit.ly/18qCxAy )
994054;1422391868;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 1572 @ 0.00107 = 1.682 BTC [-] {4} 
994055;1422392783;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 14402 @ 0.00006999 = 1.008 BTC [+] {4} 
994056;1422392927;asciilifeform;https://data.awp.is/data/international/16/morecowbell.pdf << usg version of 'isitup'
994057;1422392928;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/18qI2iD )
994058;1422393185;jurov;http://www.spiegel.de/international/world/regin-malware-unmasked-as-nsa-tool-after-spiegel-publishes-source-code-a-1015255.html#ref=rss 10 years in circulation already, they say
994059;1422393186;assbot;Regin Malware Unmasked as NSA Tool after SPIEGEL Publishes Source Code - SPIEGEL ONLINE ... ( http://bit.ly/18qJku0 )
994060;1422393538;mircea_popescu;dude... women in tech, what a scam!
994061;1422393566;mircea_popescu;so i find that veronique chick as the first source of the ghost vulnerability, im all about to go into a rand as to how see, THIS is the sort of actual women in actual tech
994062;1422393579;mircea_popescu;except it turns out that she's just doing pr, and wasn't actually involved in the tech
994063;1422393609;mircea_popescu;except it turns out she actually fucked up the embargo, and the coordinated release became uncoordinated half hour after her stupid foot in her dumber mouth.
994064;1422393630;asciilifeform;l0l!!
994065;1422393635;mircea_popescu;i feel vile and like my feelings don't matter.
994066;1422393639;mircea_popescu;fucking rapist.
994067;1422393699;asciilifeform;when monkey presses wrong button, who is to blame: monkey, or man, who put monkey in the control loop ?
994068;1422393704;mircea_popescu;as more an' more cases of idiot women "in tech" blowing things up float to the surface like as many turds, the actual women in actual tech have increasingly more problems they don't actually need.
994069;1422393721;mircea_popescu;so dear stupid women : the best thing you can do for women in tech is STAYING THE FUCK AWAY FROM IT.
994070;1422393742;mircea_popescu;let the smart ones find their own way in, and if there's a grand total of three of them worldwide that'll be fine.
994071;1422393752;mircea_popescu;just as long as no more veroniques
994072;1422394023;mircea_popescu;but in other news, i've had actual sysadmins thank me for the tip. made my fucking day. danke davout :D
994073;1422394057;mircea_popescu;http://41.media.tumblr.com/5c48c28c45c3fa9bdebdfce668b4e930/tumblr_moputmctrN1svo8pno1_1280.jpg << by way of bonus.
994074;1422394058;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1wzxG4m )
994075;1422394059;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: it took about an hour to 'everybody knows'
994076;1422394078;mircea_popescu;i got inside that hour.
994077;1422394212;mircea_popescu;assbot: Bitcoin and the dangerous fantasy of �apolitical� money <<< title has a point. there is no such thing as "apolitical" money. bitcoin is quite very political.
994078;1422394243;asciilifeform;http://seclists.org/oss-sec/2015/q1/279
994079;1422394244;assbot;oss-sec: Re: GHOST gethostbyname() heap overflow in glibc (CVE-2015-0235) ... ( http://bit.ly/18qONRD )
994080;1422394303;asciilifeform;jurov: ...regin... << recycled news. from slides from 2 weeks ago; and the material therein does not contain proof of what is contained in the linked article at all...
994081;1422394341;asciilifeform;jurov: the uuencoded blob contained a fairly unremarkable keylogger (meant as a module within one of the gigantic modular mega-turds usg is fond of.)
994082;1422394349;jurov;i didn't read all the slides, sry
994083;1422394400;mircea_popescu;"During a conference call with reporters Monday, Fed staffers were asked why the paper made no mention of Bitcoin. They responded by saying that they plan to monitor developments with digital currency, and that later, as those technologies mature, regulators will possibly have a different strategy."
994084;1422394426;mircea_popescu;soo... their inept influence agents got murdered by a guy we won't name, and so we won't name the thing they were try9ing to influence either ?
994085;1422394447;mircea_popescu;yo yellen! at least gavin has the ballsack to carefully come here when i'm not around, you know ?
994086;1422394450;mircea_popescu;grow a pair.
994087;1422394478;mircea_popescu;"Without a CEO in charge of the currency or anyone to subpoena, how do you control the bitcoin economy? The law is designed to deal with centralized institutions in which identifiable managers are deemed responsible for an organization's conduct."
994088;1422394479;mircea_popescu;derp.
994089;1422394483;mircea_popescu;thje law is designed to go take a hike.
994090;1422394558;BingoBoingo;<mircea_popescu> derp. << /me is working on this with regard to the Derpoplis who went from maximizing arcade revenue to becoming "finance minister"
994091;1422394570;mircea_popescu;cheers.
994092;1422394810;danielpbarron;https://imgur.com/f4qpBqU
994093;1422394811;assbot;                        imgur: the simple image sharer ... ( http://bit.ly/1wzyoyC )
994094;1422394880;mircea_popescu;danielpbarron sounds about right
994095;1422395122;mats;http://youtu.be/46bIJJX_xzE
994096;1422395124;assbot;Death Cab for Cutie - "Black Sun" (Official Lyric Video) - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1wzyHJJ )
994097;1422395298;mats;http://aje.io/r4z9
994098;1422395300;assbot;Philippine rebels blame government for deadly clash - Al Jazeera English ... ( http://bit.ly/1wzyQgk )
994099;1422395396;mats;i never felt so depressed as when i did 'missionary work' as a young man in Quezon City
994100;1422395398;trinque;danielpbarron: incredible..
994101;1422395438;mats;the second checkpoint i hit after leaving Manila, the church van i was in got shaken down by cops for cash
994102;1422395451;mircea_popescu;o.O
994103;1422395600;[]bot;Bet placed: 2 BTC for No on "Light Sweet Crude Oil (WTI) to drop under $30 before April" http://bitbet.us/bet/1112/ Odds: 18(Y):82(N) by coin, 18(Y):82(N) by weight. Total bet: 5.654 BTC. Current weight: 98,475.
994104;1422395638;[]bot;Bet placed: 2 BTC for No on "Light Sweet Crude Oil (WTI) to drop under $40 before Mar 2015" http://bitbet.us/bet/1096/ Odds: 24(Y):76(N) by coin, 31(Y):69(N) by weight. Total bet: 6.35433047 BTC. Current weight: 49,633.
994105;1422395656;asciilifeform;https://gist.githubusercontent.com/koelling/ef9b2b9d0be6d6dbab63/raw/de1730049198c64eaf8f8ab015a3c8b23b63fd34/gistfile1.c
994106;1422395657;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1wzzeLI )
994107;1422395671;mats;two kids i played ball with and taught spanish to died when a few shacks collapsed
994108;1422395733;mats;people shitting and pissing in chamberpots and what not, emptying the contents into the streets...
994109;1422395755;mats;hell on earth, and there i was, doing religious tourism.
994110;1422395758;asciilifeform;!s orcs
994111;1422395759;assbot;45 results for 'orcs' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=orcs
994112;1422395764;mats;shortly after i came back, i left the faith. if god is real... i would seek him out and kill him.
994113;1422396040;[]bot;Bet placed: 5 BTC for No on "Gold to drop under $1000 before March 2015" http://bitbet.us/bet/1101/ Odds: 8(Y):92(N) by coin, 11(Y):89(N) by weight. Total bet: 24.30387905 BTC. Current weight: 54,051.
994114;1422396110;[]bot;Bet placed: 10 BTC for No on "The Winkdex: BTC $5000 or more in 2015" http://bitbet.us/bet/1104/ Odds: 19(Y):81(N) by coin, 19(Y):81(N) by weight. Total bet: 50.673 BTC. Current weight: 95,931.
994115;1422396178;trinque;mats: hell of a disillusionment tale
994116;1422396426;thestringpuller;i miss the bye command from ftp
994117;1422396578;jurov;http://www.returnofkings.com/32053/this-accidental-experiment-shows-the-superiority-of-patriarchy mircea_popescu may like :)
994118;1422396580;assbot;  This Accidental Experiment Shows The Superiority Of Patriarchy ... ( http://bit.ly/1wzAcYm )
994119;1422396595;mircea_popescu;ima look i na sec translating a great short
994120;1422396747;BingoBoingo;jurov: imagine the camp Kyriarchy could have built
994121;1422397173;thestringpuller;mircea_popescu: lets play a game of "would you rather"
994122;1422397183;thestringpuller;mircea_popescu: would you rather have a dick sized nipple, or a nipple sized dick?
994123;1422397203;asciilifeform;!s fork in the eye
994124;1422397204;assbot;1 results for 'fork in the eye' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=fork+in+the+eye
994125;1422397235;trinque;thestringpuller: you can cut off the nipple... can't uncut the dick
994126;1422397309;BingoBoingo;Given the common internet saying, I'm assuming the dick nipple must also engage in shitting?
994127;1422397381;trinque;design committee incoming
994128;1422397502;BingoBoingo;;;ud shitting dick nipples
994129;1422397503;gribble;http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=shitting+dick+nipples | A term used to refer to strange fetishes involving drawn porn. Especially furry porn.
994130;1422397553;BingoBoingo;https://encyclopediadramatica.se/Shitting_Dick_Nipples
994131;1422397554;assbot;Shitting Dick Nipples - Encyclopedia Dramatica ... ( http://bit.ly/1wzBjal )
994132;1422397631;mats;https://soundcloud.com/madeon/youre-on-ft-kyan-oliver-remix
994133;1422397632;assbot;You're On ft. Kyan (Oliver Remix) by Madeon - Hear the world’s sounds ... ( http://bit.ly/1wzBpyW )
994134;1422397762;trinque;mats: requires flash
994135;1422397772;*;trinque shakes his fists at an uncaring sky
994136;1422397799;mats;run it in a sandbox
994137;1422397828;thestringpuller;flash ain't dead yet?
994138;1422397842;trinque;sites trying to DRM still tend to use it
994139;1422397859;thestringpuller;trying is a key word there I'd suppose
994140;1422397864;trinque;ayep
994141;1422397893;thestringpuller;ls
994142;1422397894;thestringpuller;oops
994143;1422398030;ben_vulpes;sad story, mats
994144;1422398090;mats;i resolved that day to become god, so i would never have to see anyone die again
994145;1422398098;mats;unless i wanted to.
994146;1422398146;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform check it out : that guy wanted the stuarts, this guy is "return of kings", mayhap there's soemthing here.
994147;1422398154;ben_vulpes;fucking hilarious jurov
994148;1422398183;trinque;mats: interesting actually, to think of god as a human aspiration
994149;1422398197;mircea_popescu;"Most cultures worldwide are patriarchal � to find examples of successful matriarchal societies you either have to turn to ancient history, remote outskirts of the world or feminist fiction. "
994150;1422398201;mircea_popescu;anyway, that much ius actually true.
994151;1422398243;mircea_popescu;however, this MAY be like saying that illiterate cultures are the norm, and to find successful literate cultures you either have to turn to ancient history, remote outskirts or capitalist fiction.
994152;1422398404;danielpbarron;he blames capitalism for producing feminism in the linked article at the bottom
994153;1422398461;mircea_popescu;anyway, the main factor destroying that experiment is that they don't allow violence.
994154;1422398481;mircea_popescu;the nine women - three men island + slavery would have probably icmb'd the other one within a few generations.
994155;1422398482;mats;trinque: its the dream of every living creature. to grow until all the space you can see is a part of you. the desire for greatness...
994156;1422398510;mircea_popescu;mats actually this is a mental condition in humans, and the desire of squids and generally cephalopodes exclusively.
994157;1422398586;mats;there's two ways to do it: to kill anything that is not yourself, until nothing is left to oppose you.
994158;1422398630;mats;you say to all the universe, only I will be great, and to make room for me the rest of you must give up even what you already have, and become nothing
994159;1422398635;trinque;dunno about that
994160;1422398659;mats;i'm quoting heavily from a book that was influential in my youth.
994161;1422398660;trinque;you need some of that other stuff to exist
994162;1422398667;mircea_popescu;;;google anal stage
994163;1422398668;gribble;Anal stage - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anal_stage>; The Anal Stage of Psychosexual Development: <http://psychology.about.com/od/theoriesofpersonality/ss/psychosexualdev_3.htm>; Psychosexual Stages | Simply Psychology: <http://www.simplypsychology.org/psychosexual.html>
994164;1422398679;mats;some metaphysical nonsense... but i still think about it from time to time.
994165;1422398697;trinque;I think one's dominion whereas the other's destruction.
994166;1422398705;trinque;to own something means you can destroy it, not necessarily that you will
994167;1422398730;mircea_popescu;"MOSAC - a charity which supports the non-abusing parents and carers of abused children - says a third of all calls to its helpline are from women who believe they have been groomed into conceiving a child."
994168;1422398735;mircea_popescu;http://news.sky.com/story/1365552/paedophiles-grooming-women-to-bear-children
994169;1422398737;assbot;Paedophiles Grooming Women To Bear Children ... ( http://bit.ly/1wzCEOC )
994170;1422398759;mircea_popescu;i wonder how prevalent this actually is. as opposed to interested parties trying to create a niche for their ngos.
994171;1422398769;trinque;mats: what was the second thing?
994172;1422398793;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: kings << that one, and $maxint others, are 'moldbuggian' blogs that appeared in imitation, nth generation copies of nth generation copies, etc.
994173;1422398805;mircea_popescu;o is it ?
994174;1422398807;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: snore. 'moldosphere' etc. largely dead.
994175;1422398816;trinque;mircea_popescu: they can't whip up satanic cult hysteria anymore... pedos are second best?
994176;1422398827;mircea_popescu;maybe.
994177;1422398828;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: used to also be called 'alt right' or 'neoreaction'
994178;1422398892;mircea_popescu;trinque: why the fuck for example do I have some daemon running for accessibility << generally that's because if you need it you can't turn it on, so it has to be on by default. you can turn it off obviously.
994179;1422398918;asciilifeform;lol!
994180;1422398923;trinque;mircea_popescu: wasn't started by openrc, nor .xprofile, just spawned off by gtk I think... ?
994181;1422398924;mats;trinque: an exercise for the reader
994182;1422398928;*;asciilifeform wonders if somebody actually made this argument in life
994183;1422398934;trinque;when I find out how to kill it I will
994184;1422398948;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform it's how the accessbility stuff sails in.
994185;1422398951;trinque;also get an adult! one with functioning limbs/eyes/etc
994186;1422398977;trinque;I'm sure this accessibility crap can remote control any gtk app
994187;1422398983;asciilifeform;trinque: 'dbus'
994188;1422398989;asciilifeform;trinque: (remote control)
994189;1422399013;mircea_popescu;trinque seems probable.
994190;1422399023;asciilifeform;not just probable, but trivial.
994191;1422399033;trinque;asciilifeform: notably -dbus did nothing
994192;1422399105;trinque;seems like the libraries using this stuff take it upon themselves to spawn the thing they want?
994193;1422399108;mircea_popescu;punkman: lol idiot  << i left him a comment too.
994194;1422399125;mircea_popescu;guy's obviously got his own agenda, but hey, won't be able to say he wasn't exposed to the sane set of ideas.
994195;1422399176;mircea_popescu;jurov: http://btc.yt/lxr/satoshi/search?_filestring=&_string=gethostbyname yay this works finally too << o hey wd!@
994196;1422399177;assbot;Satoshi 0.5.3.chicken general search: gethostbyname ... ( http://bit.ly/1wzDfQi )
994197;1422399210;asciilifeform;jurov: why am i seeing the win32 crap ?
994198;1422399219;asciilifeform;jurov: or is this straight 0.5.3 without patches
994199;1422399252;jurov;it's the very first chicken versions
994200;1422399253;asciilifeform;aha
994201;1422399256;asciilifeform;ty jurov
994202;1422399265;jurov;will add 0.5.3.1 tmrw or so
994203;1422399288;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu, jurov, whoever else is awake: anybody got a preferred build system they want to see used for toynode (as well as a name for the latter, toynode is ridiculous) ?
994204;1422399301;mircea_popescu;i feel the need to contribute to this conversation, so http://41.media.tumblr.com/98462099f6f241b5474709437fd38b0e/tumblr_moiadqjAx31r4amwso1_1280.jpg
994205;1422399303;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1wzDmv8 )
994206;1422399303;asciilifeform;current experimental rig is (surprised) a gentoo box
994207;1422399320;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform tornade ? sounds like toynode, except also descriptive.
994208;1422399346;asciilifeform;eh, the 'tor' scrapes the eye like the shit in matsushita
994209;1422399374;*;asciilifeform does not really have strong emotion on this subject
994210;1422399383;jurov;just have an ebuild for it? or it ought to produce identical binaries no matter what?
994211;1422399396;jurov;and name, bitcoinator?
994212;1422399397;asciilifeform;...identical binaries << ideally.
994213;1422399404;jurov;er.. there's tor too
994214;1422399406;*;asciilifeform favours bitcoinator
994215;1422399416;asciilifeform;somehow less allergenic.
994216;1422399445;mats;node-in-a-box.
994217;1422399453;mircea_popescu;ok, how about A-node
994218;1422399458;asciilifeform;works too
994219;1422399477;mircea_popescu;a for ascii, node for nude or something
994220;1422399481;asciilifeform;l0l
994221;1422399530;trinque;mircea_popescu: between the CVEs and your links this room pays for itself
994222;1422399545;mircea_popescu;lucky it doesn't cost much :D
994223;1422399550;trinque;heh
994224;1422399562;BingoBoingo;<asciilifeform> mircea_popescu: kings << that one, and $maxint others, are 'moldbuggian' blogs that appeared in imitation, nth generation copies of nth generation copies, etc. << Less pseudoliteracy, more literacy as archeaological artifact there. Seems distinct off shoot of Moldsphere. Far greater focus on expatriation.
994225;1422399611;mircea_popescu;re thye whole "Source Code Similarities Between NSA Malware and 'Regin' Trojan " : the cause is quite obvious but somehow not found by the ever-brighter hn collective. that is : nsa outsourced the production. the way that ball got dropped is embarassing to them, and its very existence even more embarassing.
994226;1422399639;mircea_popescu;but then again, i don't know anyone but asciilifeform to both honestly and seriously propose viewing the nsa as aserious endeavour, and even he's been kinda shaken latelyt.
994227;1422399717;mircea_popescu;hory shit.
994228;1422399731;mircea_popescu;;;later tell teward * teward has quit (Quit: ERROR: Segmentation Fault in ZNC: admin.so: 56)
994229;1422399731;gribble;The operation succeeded.
994230;1422399733;danielpbarron;full-nodity
994231;1422399737;asciilifeform;lol!
994232;1422399751;*;asciilifeform won't belabour the point re: how 1) the nsa directorate that ended up publicly pants-down is not the whole nsa 2) the bureau is not the whole of usg intelligence
994233;1422399771;thestringpuller;asciilifeform: what do you  mean regarding 2?
994234;1422399784;asciilifeform;but mircea_popescu is right! they do outsource crapware production. it is not even an especially deep secret, to where.
994235;1422399790;mircea_popescu;there's also the secret service dudes, guarding your tungsten bars an' sheit
994236;1422399814;thestringpuller;the secret service guards our debased gold?
994237;1422399818;mircea_popescu;north korea ?
994238;1422399834;thestringpuller;i thought they just protect obama and slap around counterfeiters
994239;1422399839;asciilifeform;usg bureaucracy is every bit as gnarly as soviet equivalents, there are ~two dozen 'spy agencies', each with $maxint budget and practically whole legal immunity
994240;1422399858;trinque;seems a place for rot to accumulate, not coherent action
994241;1422399882;thestringpuller;asciilifeform: this is why I think private spy agency with $maxint budget are more efficient than any USG version.
994242;1422399891;mircea_popescu;trinque quite.
994243;1422399892;jurov;lolwut? znc announces its segfault so?
994244;1422399899;mircea_popescu;jurov news to me.
994245;1422399925;BingoBoingo;And after the toy drone incidents trap shooting is going to have become part of the standard marksmanship bar to pass, if actual lizard hitler.
994246;1422399940;asciilifeform;i don't even believe, necessarily, that they have achieved anything. but in a logically distinct hypothesis that the snowden papers do not prove 'usg is impotent' any more than the famous kgb defections of the '70-80s proved that soviet intelligence was dead
994247;1422399965;mats;na, 'exploding drones' doesn't seem like a good way to kill a protected person
994248;1422399972;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform except it WAS dead.
994249;1422399977;thestringpuller;You kidnap someone and claim you're CIA or some agency but really not (You're some shadowy private spy agency). So then when the "investigation" begins the dozen or so spy agencies point fingers at each other and unknown private firm continues to hide in shadows
994250;1422399985;mircea_popescu;much like the pacepa defection proved the end of the romanian thing.
994251;1422399989;thestringpuller;I'm certain this is not recent theory as its pop culture by now.
994252;1422400001;mats;they routinely deploy jammers, set perimeters, and have trained designated marksmen... learned their lessons in trashcanistan et. al
994253;1422400007;trinque;asciilifeform: it's that coherence bit that I think is important. An N1 rocket has plenty of power at its disposal
994254;1422400025;trinque;ends up turning the launch site into an inferno to match
994255;1422400041;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=07-07-2014#747021
994256;1422400041;assbot;Logged on 07-07-2014 00:34:51; mircea_popescu: * teward has quit (Quit: ERROR: Segmentation Fault in ZNC: admin.so: 56)
994257;1422400057;jurov;lol assbot
994258;1422400078;asciilifeform;mats: jammers, marksmen << drop vertically.
994259;1422400101;BingoBoingo;RE: KGB - Tom Clancy novels were right except "Jack Ryan" was russian and manifests IRL as Putin.
994260;1422400165;asciilifeform;mats: against k guards, use k+n machines, where n is a positive integer
994261;1422400180;mats;asciilifeform: max altitude of 'Raven' is about 150m
994262;1422400189;mats;and good luck getting that high with a meaningful payload
994263;1422400197;asciilifeform;what is 'raven' ?
994264;1422400206;mats;i think the WASP is a more economically feasible approach
994265;1422400220;mats;RQ-11 backpack drone.
994266;1422400251;asciilifeform;that isn't even a chopper.
994267;1422400275;mats;you have a point...
994268;1422400285;asciilifeform;and it is certainly physically possible to fly toy 'multicoper' above 150m.
994269;1422400288;mircea_popescu;tbh, if you're going this avenue you're better off firing a home made sol-sol missile at the target than hitting them with a homemade drone
994270;1422400323;mircea_popescu;just buy a lot of fireworks.
994271;1422400357;mats;i'd like to take this moment to affirm that this is purely speculative, and i have no intention of being so much as within the city limits of POTUS...
994272;1422400361;asciilifeform;l0l
994273;1422400363;asciilifeform;http://www.suasnews.com/2011/03/4822/dont-sell-rq-11-ravens-on-ebay << oldie
994274;1422400365;assbot;Don’t sell RQ-11 Ravens on eBay | sUAS News ... ( http://bit.ly/1wzEqix )
994275;1422400381;mats;Secret Service has no humor about this sort of thing.
994276;1422400441;asciilifeform;also has quotas.
994277;1422400446;mats;why would you want to buy a fucking raven anyways?
994278;1422400462;asciilifeform;!s new york death ray
994279;1422400463;assbot;8 results for 'new york death ray' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=new+york+death+ray
994280;1422400464;thestringpuller;my buddy got fined flying a quadcopter > 200m
994281;1422400467;mats;we had a few in my intel section while i was in, fucking things would fall out of the sky a quarter of the time, 20 mins into flight
994282;1422400475;thestringpuller;"Failure to file flight path with FAA"
994283;1422400483;mats;fucking useless
994284;1422400506;trinque;rc plane with a gopro... definitely deserves 20 years in prison
994285;1422400518;asciilifeform;same as pgp.
994286;1422400528;mircea_popescu;the sad fact of the matter is that the same general development that allows derps like yanis souflakis to pretend like "he can distinguish inflation from product improvement" also allows anyone who isn't a redditard and has a day's leisure to build a missile ; and anyone that isn't iran and so mentally retarded to build a nuke.
994287;1422400530;asciilifeform;a most cruel weapon of war, clearly
994288;1422400536;thestringpuller;did zimmerman get 20 years?
994289;1422400551;mircea_popescu;these aren't hard problems in any sense anymore. they're onyl still hard for retards. otherwise, the safety of "designated importants" ios a matter of public mercy
994290;1422400552;asciilifeform;thestringpuller: he got something worse
994291;1422400553;thestringpuller;i thought he avoided jail time
994292;1422400561;mircea_popescu;not of "work" or "Agencies" or "laws" etc
994293;1422400668;mircea_popescu;i wonder how long until it sinks in, with the mostly empty head of obama, with the mostly empty head of blasio, with the mostly empty head of everyone else in that group of derps : that they're still alive because nobody could be bothered to kill them yet.
994294;1422400674;mircea_popescu;NOT because anyone or anything is 'protecting' them
994295;1422400702;mats;the SS certainly doesn't have a good record
994296;1422400708;asciilifeform;but they have a real ripper of a time barricading entire quarters of city, banishing tourists from restaurants, theatres, etc.
994297;1422400718;thestringpuller;asciilifeform: http://www.contra.org/pgp/PhilZimmerman.html << i see. scary.
994298;1422400737;asciilifeform;thestringpuller: scarier is that he's a stooge now.
994299;1422400743;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform sure.
994300;1422400754;asciilifeform;i haven't any idea how, specifically, he was lowered. but fact is.
994301;1422400755;trinque;mircea_popescu: perhaps when the state tucking them in at night fails to do so for a sufficient number of days
994302;1422400788;trinque;I expect a collective mental breakdown followed by wailing and gnashing of teeth instead
994303;1422400794;thestringpuller;asciilifeform: this is less scary and more sad to me :(
994304;1422400810;trinque;this and the inability of the NSA to act coherently I think come from the same dead culture
994305;1422400834;mircea_popescu;trinque i suspect they actually understand this pretty well, which is why the vehehehery gingerly treatment of actual powers that be, and the very loud derpage around idiots asking for a cock in their ass, like schwarz.
994306;1422400842;thestringpuller;trinque: sounds like a coup de gras of come kind.
994307;1422400889;mircea_popescu;"Please take Econ 1. When the Federal govt prints more money and spends, you do not get much inflation when there is massive unemployment. The extra $ the government prints and distributes is spent, increasing demand for goods and services. If the govt then KEEPS increasing the money supply, THEN you get inflation."
994308;1422400899;mircea_popescu;the idiots derping in tlp's comment section...
994309;1422401020;mats;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DjDzLxq0SV0
994310;1422401022;assbot;Lupe Fiasco - Mural - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/15Qz0KP )
994311;1422401277;trinque;mircea_popescu: maybe when they're all in chains they can dig holes then fill them back in for a while
994312;1422401280;trinque;call it an art piece
994313;1422401327;mircea_popescu;nah. i happen to know what they'll do. sadly it's all in romanian, but there's dozens of articles detailing the "what do idiots who thought they were right and in power do once it comes out they were wrong and never really in power".
994314;1422401353;mircea_popescu;it's a lot of... welll.... actually it looks a lot like liberal-radical-on-reddit, in the early stages.
994315;1422401362;mircea_popescu;!up frb
994316;1422401816;trinque;mircea_popescu: congregate and resolve to be bad at new-ruling-ideology to make a point?
994317;1422401833;trinque;portland business owners enrage me for that reason
994318;1422401852;trinque;the idea that being embarrassed about discussing money for example makes them a good communist
994319;1422401853;mircea_popescu;it's this particular sort of "world is mean"
994320;1422401860;trinque;ah we were robbed
994321;1422401867;trinque;should've been X
994322;1422401899;mircea_popescu;im kinda curious who will be claimed as the evil foreign invader.
994323;1422401919;mircea_popescu;there's always one of these, that came in and ruined "a good thing". prollly the chinese i gues, tho you never know.
994324;1422401940;trinque;if it swings "tea party" everyone brown
994325;1422401965;mircea_popescu;yeah that also.
994326;1422401976;trinque;I don't know; thinking about this runs into the inability to coherently do anything
994327;1422402042;trinque;what does the tea party "do" now? make tshirts?
994328;1422402068;trinque;hm so maybe that's what lingers, the delusional faux-doing
994329;1422402143;trinque;makes me think of either you or asciilifeform talking about concentration camp inmates pretending to be guards, making fake uniforms
994330;1422402172;trinque;vs say mats experience of "fuck god, I am god"
994331;1422402180;trinque;seems like there are a few ways a mind can break
994332;1422402422;asciilifeform;0.5.3 folks: did one of you post, a while ago, a list of libs (specific version) favoured: (e.g., db-4.8.26, openssl-xxxxxx, ...)
994333;1422402662;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: unrelated: http://habrahabr.ru/post/248419
994334;1422402664;assbot;Встраиваем бэкдор в Bitcoin (ECDSA) или еще раз о клептографии / Хабрахабр ... ( http://bit.ly/15QDqkT )
994335;1422402984;asciilifeform;(summary: walkthrough for construction of simple ecdsa backdoor, for n00bs)
994336;1422402998;asciilifeform;nothing earth-shaking, but good maths tutorial.
994337;1422404815;BingoBoingo;http://www.jensendental.com/alloy/charts/alloy-chart.html << Iridium in your mouth
994338;1422404817;assbot;Jensen Dental Alloys - Alloy Chart ... ( http://bit.ly/15H18zA )
994339;1422405027;mats;http://www.businessinsider.com/tinder-co-founder-whitney-wolfe-and-bumble-2015-1
994340;1422405028;assbot;Tinder Cofounder Whitney Wolfe And Bumble - Business Insider ... ( http://bit.ly/1yLYT9n )
994341;1422405105;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 91250 @ 0.00036592 = 33.3902 BTC [-] {3} 
994342;1422405164;mats;whoa
994343;1422405594;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23248 @ 0.00037074 = 8.619 BTC [+] {2} 
994344;1422405654;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 44602 @ 0.00037151 = 16.5701 BTC [+] {2} 
994345;1422405703;BingoBoingo;http://www.returnofkings.com/53859/so-do-you-want-to-learn-how-to-code << No Comment
994346;1422405704;assbot;  Do You Want To Learn How To Code? ... ( http://bit.ly/15H2LgB )
994347;1422405898;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19908 @ 0.00035729 = 7.1129 BTC [-]
994348;1422405991;BingoBoingo;!up nubbins`
994349;1422405997;nubbins`;o hi
994350;1422406009;nubbins`;i disconnect often enough that authing isn't really a priority
994351;1422406021;nubbins`;although you guys do miss out on a lot of witticisms
994352;1422406116;BingoBoingo;nubbins`: Why is why I !up you. I am suffering wit deficiency
994353;1422406176;asciilifeform;http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2015-January/000031.html <<<< gpg: BAD signature from "mod6 (mod6) <modsix@gmail.com>
994354;1422406176;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/15H3zC9 )
994355;1422406180;asciilifeform;mod6 ^^^^^
994356;1422406190;mod6;srsly?
994357;1422406193;asciilifeform;aha.
994358;1422406209;mod6;oh i know what it is.
994359;1422406224;mod6;i bet that the damn translation of my email address did it
994360;1422406238;asciilifeform;so turdatron never really worked.
994361;1422406265;BingoBoingo;http://www.returnofkings.com/27361/how-the-bakken-oil-fields-put-me-on-the-path-to-truth
994362;1422406267;assbot;  How The Bakken Oil Fields Put Me On The Path To Truth ... ( http://bit.ly/15H3KgJ )
994363;1422406282;mod6;so yeah, i signed "<modsix@gmail.com>"
994364;1422406291;mod6;and then the turdalator changed it
994365;1422406306;mod6;if you could be so kind... just change the text to that and see if it verifies.
994366;1422406356;asciilifeform;works
994367;1422406361;asciilifeform;jurov: ^^^^^^
994368;1422406365;mod6;ok cool, good catch ascii
994369;1422406366;asciilifeform;can we put an end to the mutilations.
994370;1422406376;mod6;i'll send out a new copy.
994371;1422406378;asciilifeform;and am i the only one who actually checks sigs
994372;1422406378;*;mod6 works on that
994373;1422406431;mod6;when i had mutt setup properly with my own mx it was pretty sweet because it would check sigs and everything automagically.
994374;1422406443;mod6;one of these times, I gotta get mutt back going again
994375;1422407309;mod6;ok i re-sent with a new version number and "<modsix at gmail dot com>" written in by me.
994376;1422407378;BingoBoingo;http://qntra.net/2015/01/greece-taps-anti-bitcoin-video-game-economist-as-finance-minister/
994377;1422407380;assbot;Greece Taps Anti-Bitcoin Video Game Economist as Finance Minister | Qntra.net ... ( http://bit.ly/15H647t )
994378;1422407622;punkman;;;google tf2 hat economy
994379;1422407623;gribble;Analyst Pegs Team Fortress 2 Hat Economy at $50 Million - Kotaku: <http://kotaku.com/5869042/analyst-pegs-team-fortress-2-hat-economy-at-50-million>; A beginner's guide to the Team Fortress 2 economy - Destructoid: <http://www.destructoid.com/a-beginner-s-guide-to-the-team-fortress-2-economy-230418.phtml>; ARBITRAGE AND EQUILIBRIUM IN THE TEAM FORTRESS 2 ...: (1 more message)
994380;1422407750;punkman;the one thing he wrote on valve blog is about tf2 hats http://blogs.valvesoftware.com/author/yanis/
994381;1422407751;assbot;yanis | Valve ... ( http://bit.ly/15H6ZVm )
994382;1422407986;BingoBoingo;!up nubbins`
994383;1422408019;nubbins`;the forum is eating itself
994384;1422408029;nubbins`;ouroboroustalk.org
994385;1422408072;BingoBoingo;nubbins`: Where nao?
994386;1422408082;BingoBoingo;Still the wood condomer
994387;1422408093;nubbins`;heh ya
994388;1422408107;nubbins`;https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=935115.0;all
994389;1422408108;assbot;Videos of WoodCollector Hand Carving: Care of MOB ... ( http://bit.ly/15H7Sx8 )
994390;1422408114;nubbins`;this is one of the only ones still unlocked
994391;1422408132;nubbins`;scroll down to where people start making connections between TECSHARE and WoodCollector via domain whois
994392;1422408134;nubbins`;my sides
994393;1422408182;BingoBoingo;Wait, Techshare is a waterboy?
994394;1422408187;*;nubbins` shrugs
994395;1422408199;nubbins`;about halfway down the page there are some pretty funny pictures of me
994396;1422408284;nubbins`;strangely, he passed this one by: http://imgur.com/5v5jUqI
994397;1422408285;assbot;                        imgur: the simple image sharer ... ( http://bit.ly/15H8ov4 )
994398;1422408305;nubbins`;and this one
994399;1422408306;nubbins`;http://imgur.com/1O9azbk
994400;1422408307;assbot;                        imgur: the simple image sharer ... ( http://bit.ly/15H8pPK )
994401;1422408327;nubbins`;and this one... http://imgur.com/88qiKWs
994402;1422408328;assbot;                        imgur: the simple image sharer ... ( http://bit.ly/15H8tPC )
994403;1422408442;nubbins`;heh now people are asking TECSHARE for screenshots of his PMs
994404;1422408444;nubbins`;hahahahah
994405;1422408456;nubbins`;did someone put LSD in the water?
994406;1422408691;BingoBoingo;lol
994407;1422408836;BingoBoingo;The thing that sold me on WC as a fraud is that and actual master carver would focus on edges instead of relief making the BfL dildo feathered and much more painful.
994408;1422408929;mircea_popescu;http://41.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m8092gOWK61qjuse9o1_1280.jpg << better drones bureau
994409;1422408931;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1H94yfp )
994410;1422408973;nubbins`;"arch your back" "WHAUET? I CAN'T HEAR YOU"
994411;1422409014;mircea_popescu;lol "i advise people to learn html, becausre that's a language and it worked for me. wut ?"
994412;1422409051;nubbins`;:
994413;1422409053;nubbins`;D
994414;1422409056;decimation;re: usg intel 'truths': https://www.cia.gov/library/center-for-the-study-of-intelligence/csi-publications/csi-studies/studies/vol.-55-no.-1/pdfs/CleanedPetersen-What%20I%20Learned-20Apr2011.pdf
994415;1422409058;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/15H9Q0E )
994416;1422409114;decimation;"Newcomers to the IC may not realize that the CIA presence in the Oval Office during the George W. Bush administration was the exception, not the rule."
994417;1422409114;*;mircea_popescu saves bb qntra article for tomorrow morning
994418;1422409160;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: Do you have a good file on the Bitcoin Magazine drama. I'm at a loss for history on that one.
994419;1422409172;mircea_popescu;hanbot ^
994420;1422409258;BingoBoingo;When they told me in early 2013 to not bother submitting to them I kind of exiled them on my own.
994421;1422409299;BingoBoingo;Damnatio Memoria sort of thing, but if someone want to dump some history I'll pull a thing together.
994422;1422409411;decimation;"And the consumers of intelligence say out loud “Why should I trust you on this issue when you were wrong on that one?” Weak performance in one DI area immediately calls into question all work in the CIA."
994423;1422409675;mircea_popescu;and with that, i'll be off.
994424;1422409785;nubbins`;http://imgur.com/a/lWPRF
994425;1422409786;assbot;                    Awful sex dolls - Imgur ... ( http://bit.ly/1H983m0 )
994426;1422409786;nubbins`;nsfw
994427;1422410103;decimation;http://www.maebrussell.com/Prouty/Harry%20Truman%27s%20CIA%20article.html  << President Truman was even dumber than you thought
994428;1422410104;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1H99uku )
994429;1422410256;BingoBoingo;;;later tell Beautyton thanks https://twitter.com/Beautyon_/status/560254739544539136
994430;1422410257;assbot;"Bingo bongo" just wrote a stunningly beautiful pice euthanizing the new Greek Minister for Economics. It's a joy to read.
994431;1422410257;gribble;The operation succeeded.
994432;1422410292;BingoBoingo;;;later tell Irdial thanks https://twitter.com/Beautyon_/status/560254739544539136
994433;1422410293;assbot;"Bingo bongo" just wrote a stunningly beautiful pice euthanizing the new Greek Minister for Economics. It's a joy to read.
994434;1422410293;gribble;The operation succeeded.
994435;1422410322;thestringpuller;BingoBoingo: random: is there a reason the piece doesn't do "Continued reading"?
994436;1422410342;thestringpuller;not a big deal just have to scroll to see other pieces on qntra front page
994437;1422410389;BingoBoingo;thestringpuller: Sometimes fresh qntra pieces don't have it right away, this one has it now though.
994438;1422410485;thestringpuller;gotcha. thanks!
994439;1422410645;nubbins`;http://i.imgur.com/PVxlSq6.jpg
994440;1422410647;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1H9bI3v )
994441;1422410661;nubbins`;popped open my volca sample yesterday, was pleased to find MIDI out points clearly marked
994442;1422410669;nubbins`;dem easter eggs!
994443;1422410961;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 50380 @ 0.00033866 = 17.0617 BTC [+]
994444;1422411083;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 65200 @ 0.00032999 = 21.5153 BTC [-]
994445;1422411389;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 97127 @ 0.00030124 = 29.2585 BTC [-] {2} 
994446;1422411585;BingoBoingo;http://www.returnofkings.com/794/getting-arrested-on-the-first-date
994447;1422411586;assbot;  Getting Arrested On The First Date ... ( http://bit.ly/1H9g6iR )
994448;1422411693;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 42800 @ 0.000302 = 12.9256 BTC [+]
994449;1422411889;thestringpuller;MPOE at all time lows
994450;1422411890;thestringpuller;holy fuck
994451;1422411897;thestringpuller;people are filling up the war chests
994452;1422412009;asciilifeform;'Axe-time, sword-time, shields are sundered, Wind-time, wolf-time, ere the world falls; Nor ever shall men - each other spare.'
994453;1422412059;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 41 @ 0.1 = 4.1 BTC [-]
994454;1422412475;BingoBoingo;!up p15
994455;1422412479;BingoBoingo;Hello p15
994456;1422412485;thestringpuller;ah. asciilifeform you are one of my favorite people.
994457;1422412536;nubbins`;let's not get outta hand
994458;1422412540;nubbins`;https://iamcomputo.files.wordpress.com/2013/12/20140102_215347.jpg
994459;1422412543;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1EOjdYI )
994460;1422412551;nubbins`;^ other members of the volca family have many more easter eggs hidden
994461;1422412576;nubbins`;http://www.infinitesimal.eu/synth/data/images/2013/korg-volca-beats-disassemble-4.jpg
994462;1422412577;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1EOjgDV )
994463;1422412621;nubbins`;alf, you seem like the kind of guy who would, in another life, have a massive modular synthesizer in your basement, patch cables and eurorack modules all over the place
994464;1422412705;nubbins`;http://fluxmonkey.com/images/ohioExpFest_small.jpg
994465;1422412707;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1EOjo66 )
994466;1422412710;nubbins`;like this, but with a nicer suitcase
994467;1422412718;*;BingoBoingo kind of a bigger fan of https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YFi_nUUF8uQ (uses reeds)
994468;1422412719;assbot;Wurlitzer Electric Piano 200 by VintageVibe.com - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1EOjomF )
994469;1422412737;BingoBoingo;!up toddf
994470;1422412740;BingoBoingo;Hello toddf
994471;1422412741;*;asciilifeform would, but has no musical education at all
994472;1422412760;nubbins`;you actually don't need any to have fun :D
994473;1422412768;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: After the war I might have to get you a tuba, instrument of kings
994474;1422412783;nubbins`;i might have to get him a monotron
994475;1422412808;*;asciilifeform is one of those people who can easily compose in his head, incl. polyphony, but can't output
994476;1422412838;nubbins`;that sort of brain is actually made for synths
994477;1422412855;nubbins`;as long as you can twist a rotary encoder, you can set notes
994478;1422412865;asciilifeform;nubbins`: at various points i've tried all kinds of 'cheats', incl. 'ear trainers' etc
994479;1422412874;BingoBoingo;Tuba is a great instrument for outputting polyphony solo
994480;1422412881;asciilifeform;nubbins`: can never get the physical sound to correspond to what was in head.
994481;1422412886;nubbins`;ah ah, i see
994482;1422412894;nubbins`;that, there's not much helping
994483;1422412904;nubbins`;but if you like the idea of directly manipulating sound waves
994484;1422412907;asciilifeform;actual musicians tell me that the head music is a mirage.
994485;1422412910;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: Culprit is bone conduction.
994486;1422412917;nubbins`;and channeling them through various components of your choosing...
994487;1422412930;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: culprit is not having whatever neural circuit folks who can actually do music have
994488;1422412952;[]bot;Bet placed: 4.03889 BTC for No on "BTC price to rise above 1oz of gold " http://bitbet.us/bet/976/ Odds: 15(Y):85(N) by coin, 30(Y):70(N) by weight. Total bet: 7.46429713 BTC. Current weight: 30,995.
994489;1422412958;decimation;asciilifeform: we are all blank slates, subject to the state's desire for learning
994490;1422412976;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: Prolly that too. I am lacking in that department as well. Tuba is forgiving in that regard.
994491;1422412982;asciilifeform;did try to learn this particular thing, but never got remotely off the ground.
994492;1422412999;asciilifeform;was never, however, interested in 'learning to play instrument' in the usual sense of being human player piano
994493;1422413010;asciilifeform;because that has nothing whatsoever to do with getting the head music out.
994494;1422413025;asciilifeform;met plenty of people who 'can play' but not do it.
994495;1422413061;hanbot;<BingoBoingo> Damnatio Memoria sort of thing, but if someone want to dump some history I'll pull a thing together. << see the marchenko/alisie theft accusation back-and-forth here: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=129722.msg1387064#msg1387064
994496;1422413062;assbot;What to expect from Bitcoin Magazine ... ( http://bit.ly/1EOjCu5 )
994497;1422413073;asciilifeform;perhaps it actually -is- a mirage, like the 'head programs' of folks who can't program.
994498;1422413080;asciilifeform;insufficiently specified/specifiable.
994499;1422413102;BingoBoingo;Tuba/Euphoniums are the only solo sort of wind instrument I can play where actual sound produced overpowers bone conduction bias that would otherwise render me tone deaf
994500;1422413114;BingoBoingo;hanbot: Thanks.
994501;1422413122;nubbins`;http://www.amazon.com/Korg-Monotron-Analog-Ribbon-Synthesizer/dp/B00684KFAM/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1422413077&sr=8-2&keywords=monotribe
994502;1422413124;assbot;Amazon.com: Korg Monotron Delay Analog Ribbon Synthesizer: Musical Instruments ... ( http://bit.ly/1EOjIll )
994503;1422413124;nubbins`;asciilifeform ^
994504;1422413128;thestringpuller;;;ticker
994505;1422413130;gribble;Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 258.68, Best ask: 259.73, Bid-ask spread: 1.05000, Last trade: 259.68, 24 hour volume: 17752.82109037, 24 hour low: 243.1, 24 hour high: 267.72, 24 hour vwap: 257.284801802
994506;1422413143;BingoBoingo;!up moldysnizz
994507;1422413145;asciilifeform;nubbins`, BingoBoingo: http://www.loper-os.org/?p=11 << old article of mine on the subject
994508;1422413147;assbot;Loper OS » Music, UI, and Greedy Algorithms: the Mozart Machine? ... ( http://bit.ly/1EOjHhp )
994509;1422413149;asciilifeform;describes a hypothesis.
994510;1422413164;nubbins`;if you're a bit looser with your money: http://www.amazon.com/Korg-Monotribe-Analogue-Ribbon-Station/dp/B0050G7VR4/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1422413077&sr=8-1&keywords=monotribe&pebp=1422413137924&peasin=B0050G7VR4
994511;1422413166;assbot;Amazon.com: Korg Monotribe Analogue Ribbon Station: Musical Instruments ... ( http://bit.ly/1EOjJFU )
994512;1422413224;asciilifeform;nubbins`: as a fellow who can program, and at one point owned a 'commodore 64', i've played with just about every basic kind of synth tone
994513;1422413224;nubbins`;lotta fun out of the box, but also lots of neat mods hidden inside.
994514;1422413231;asciilifeform;problem is not the tone, but the input.
994515;1422413234;moldysnizz;;;rate bingoboingo 1 Good with his hands...
994516;1422413235;gribble;Error: You have to have received some ratings in order to rate other users.
994517;1422413238;nubbins`;they actually released the schematics for the monotribe as well
994518;1422413244;moldysnizz;oh well fuck you gribble
994519;1422413252;asciilifeform;piano keyboard is meaningless to me. despite plenty of time spent attempted.
994520;1422413262;BingoBoingo;moldysnizz: You gotta recover that keypair
994521;1422413263;asciilifeform;nor did any better with direct entry
994522;1422413266;nubbins`;asciilifeform, then you'll love the monotribe's ribbon keyboard :D
994523;1422413279;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13650 @ 0.00031969 = 4.3638 BTC [+]
994524;1422413283;thestringpuller;asciilifeform: you and my piano teacher (also russian and similar demeanor) would have interesting dirnking convos
994525;1422413288;nubbins`;as granular as your fingers are small.
994526;1422413300;moldysnizz;I've accepted my new identiy as the snizz
994527;1422413301;BingoBoingo;<asciilifeform> piano keyboard is meaningless to me. despite plenty of time spent attempted. << This I experience as well.
994528;1422413307;asciilifeform;theremin is as granular as... not even sure what
994529;1422413309;nubbins`;why am i trying to sell you an analogue synthesizer?
994530;1422413312;asciilifeform;didn't make any difference.
994531;1422413345;nubbins`;are these notes we're talking about or tones?
994532;1422413346;asciilifeform;i generally don't discuss music with musical folks because 100% of the time it turns out that they are trying to accomplish something very different with their time
994533;1422413355;nubbins`;er sorry
994534;1422413359;nubbins`;that was worded poorly
994535;1422413361;asciilifeform;(i mostly gave up on the subject years ago)
994536;1422413372;asciilifeform;nubbins`: read linked article.
994537;1422413404;BingoBoingo;My hypothesis is that whistling and humming acquire the correct pitch by way of bang-bang correction. The delay between each �bang� your brain produces and the resulting sound is imperceptibly small, because the vocal apparatus is located so near, and the necessary muscle motions are so minute. Thus, the correct pitch seems to come out as if by magic. And yet no magic is involved. << Normally magic of musicians with perfect pi
994538;1422413404;BingoBoingo;tch is being able to surrender to hearing the wrong thing when they perform themselves and simply mapping correspindence to the right hting.
994539;1422413430;nubbins`;asciilifeform i dunno man, it honestly sounds like a 'tribe can do what you're describing
994540;1422413434;BingoBoingo;"perfect pitch" is almost always trained.
994541;1422413469;asciilifeform;nubbins`: unless i misunderstand, the linked device is something like a theremin (in the continuously-variable input sense, rather than mechanism per se) ?
994542;1422413481;thestringpuller;;;google gimme 20 dollars slenderman
994543;1422413481;gribble;Slender $20 Mode! - YouTube: <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ejatl89mf5w>; Slender Man dances for his 20 dollars - YouTube: <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gT9r_-oHJV0>; GIMME 20 DOLLARS - YouTube: <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iUN_7Iopmak>
994544;1422413597;decimation;!s theremin
994545;1422413598;assbot;11 results for 'theremin' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=theremin
994546;1422413611;nubbins`;asciilifeform it's got a digital step-sequencer built into it, so once you find your correct input tone, you can map it to a step.
994547;1422413626;nubbins`;it'll store 8 or 16 steps and loop them
994548;1422413641;asciilifeform;except the process of searching by trial and error destroys the head music.
994549;1422413644;asciilifeform;that's what i've found.
994550;1422413651;*;decimation learned 'a' (440 hz) by listening to 'wwv'
994551;1422413652;nubbins`;but the actual sound production side of it is 100% analog, so full granularity on pitch, tone, a bunch of other things
994552;1422413676;asciilifeform;nubbins`: i've played with continuously-variable synths, as an electronics enthusiast; trust me, it made zero difference.
994553;1422413692;nubbins`;then i feel your agony
994554;1422413692;asciilifeform;not sure why this isn't making sense to nubbins`
994555;1422413714;BingoBoingo;<asciilifeform> except the process of searching by trial and error destroys the head music. << This so much
994556;1422413734;nubbins`;i once dated a woman who worked at a craft store. a guy comes rushing in one day screaming about music paper. he needed to write down the notes in his head before he forgot them.
994557;1422413755;nubbins`;if i'm not mistaken, your problem is the inability to express your tune as either notes or as a hum that can be recorded
994558;1422413759;asciilifeform;i can't even say for certain that it is real. it's rather like describing dreams. if there's no way to get it out of your head, it exists only for you.
994559;1422413773;nubbins`;sounds like my understanding of the nature of reality
994560;1422413775;nubbins`;brb feeding cats
994561;1422413799;decimation;perhaps the 'digitization' of a piano keyboard is a convenient simplification for the brain - structure allows creativity, etc
994562;1422414011;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 44438 @ 0.00033141 = 14.7272 BTC [+]
994563;1422414065;asciilifeform;for anyone who actually bothered to read the link: i did not yet know the term 'OODA loop' when i wrote that piece.
994564;1422414071;asciilifeform;but it is precisely what's involved.
994565;1422414124;asciilifeform;probably the most easily fundamental concept i know of in what used to be called 'cybernetics' (what's it called today? even exists as a field?)
994566;1422414127;asciilifeform;control theory?
994567;1422414212;decimation;asciilifeform: I think that came from combat doctrine
994568;1422414224;asciilifeform;it did.
994569;1422414236;decimation;but certainly has connections with control theory (feedback systems)
994570;1422414257;decimation;asciilifeform: novel idea for a toolkit: your watch links: http://www.leatherman.com/425.html
994571;1422414258;assbot;Tread™ - Leatherman / LED Lenser ... ( http://bit.ly/1EOkzm0 )
994572;1422414296;BingoBoingo;By some horrible accident of history in High School shat out http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/Going.mp3 with WIndows 3.1 technology (rougly 2003) was featured in new york concert http://www.voxnovus.com/60x60/2003_Concert_Program.htm did not make the CD cut; Crazy things teenagers with idea do.
994573;1422414302;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1EOkA9D )
994574;1422414375;asciilifeform;decimation: golden toilet
994575;1422414422;*;BingoBoingo back then did not realize was treading chumpatron
994576;1422414439;danielpbarron;http://atrl.net/forums/showthread.php?p=26361348#26361348
994577;1422414440;assbot;ATRL - Celeb News: Taylor Swift Hacked on Instagram - Page 5 ... ( http://bit.ly/1EOkCyu )
994578;1422414440;decimation;asciilifeform: yeah, the 'selling point' is that you can take it through an airport
994579;1422414449;asciilifeform;decimation: until can't
994580;1422414458;decimation;not that a regular 'leatherman' (sans knife) couldn't go
994581;1422414462;asciilifeform;decimation: like the 'fake key' that was in fashion a few years ago.
994582;1422414488;decimation;but the derps who run the airport security chumpatron would 'trip' on 'leatherman-like object'
994583;1422414512;asciilifeform;anyone who enjoys playing the mole in 'whack-a-mole' - straight there.
994584;1422414553;asciilifeform;this would even be interesting if the watchband-screwdriver were something one craftsman made in single-digit quantity
994585;1422414564;asciilifeform;but as soon as it hits retail - added to ban list.
994586;1422414587;decimation;it probably won't reach the critical 'man adoption factor' and therefore will be hated and uncool
994587;1422414629;decimation;also I think it would be rather inconvenient to disassemble and reassemble watch to use screwdriver
994588;1422414637;trinque;BingoBoingo: I kinda like it
994589;1422414652;trinque;I've done some chiptune stuff, nothing good
994590;1422414689;BingoBoingo;trinque: Thanks. Made with "Noteworthy Composer" a lowest bidder sort of Win32 music typesetting software that can output to MIDI
994591;1422414766;TheNewDeal;what is this Noteworthy Composer?
994592;1422414776;TheNewDeal;you type in notes and it outputs MIDI values?
994593;1422414789;BingoBoingo;https://www.noteworthysoftware.com/
994594;1422414791;assbot;NoteWorthy Software - Home of NoteWorthy Composer Music Notation Software ... ( http://bit.ly/1EOkPSf )
994595;1422414822;BingoBoingo;Supposedly plays well wrapped in Wine
994596;1422414852;BingoBoingo;at the time it was click on staff and select note to drop.
994597;1422414876;*;BingoBoingo used 1.x series unfamiliar with this version 2 bullshit.
994598;1422415056;BingoBoingo;!up felipelalli
994599;1422415067;BingoBoingo;!up felipelalli1
994600;1422415139;*;BingoBoingo likes to imagine an alternate history where that one piece of turdware and imagined uses of it did not keep self on Windows for an unconfortably long period of history
994601;1422415202;BingoBoingo;http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_slatest/2015/01/27/marshawn_lynch_joins_super_bowl_media_day_to_avoid_fine.html
994602;1422415203;assbot;Marshawn Lynch joins Super Bowl media day to avoid fine. ... ( http://bit.ly/1EOl4g4 )
994603;1422415213;trinque;https://soundcloud.com/signpost << coupla loops I farted out
994604;1422415214;assbot;signpost's profile - Hear the world’s sounds ... ( http://bit.ly/1EOl6Vb )
994605;1422415238;trinque;I can never stay focused on it (rather, cannot pull self away from moneymaking endeavors) long enough to finish something
994606;1422415273;trinque;all came out of playing in renoise
994607;1422415281;trinque;trackers are pretty fun
994608;1422415289;TheNewDeal;;;ident trinque
994609;1422415289;gribble;Nick 'trinque', with hostmask 'trinque!~undata@unaffiliated/undata', is not identified.
994610;1422415419;trinque;;;ident trinque
994611;1422415420;gribble;Nick 'trinque', with hostmask 'trinque!~undata@unaffiliated/undata', is identified as user 'trinque', with GPG key id 42F9985AFAB953C4, key fingerprint FC66C0C5D98C42A1D4A98B6B42F9985AFAB953C4, and bitcoin address None
994612;1422415470;BingoBoingo;trinque: If Deedbot has a need for sounds...
994613;1422415504;trinque;I hear scope creep is met with beatings.
994614;1422415588;BingoBoingo;Eh, it is
994615;1422415630;BingoBoingo;Generally for mandatory creep. If a deed.py client for deebot materialized later...
994616;1422415705;BingoBoingo;Dunno why deedbot would need a deed.py client though
994617;1422415744;TheNewDeal;;;seen BlueMeanie4
994618;1422415744;gribble;BlueMeanie4 was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 6 weeks, 2 days, 2 hours, 35 minutes, and 48 seconds ago: <BlueMeanie4> most of them are in Berlin
994619;1422415747;trinque;speaking of things I should throw cycles into
994620;1422415764;trinque;I'm going to afk for a bit and finish up some work stuff, then see about haxing on the bot
994621;1422415827;decimation;re: glibc bug << was this an ulrich drepperism?
994622;1422415883;asciilifeform;decimation: quite possibly
994623;1422415942;BingoBoingo;9 years ago the debian official random number was 6. Now glibc fuckery is uncovered. Imperial nudity advances.
994624;1422415968;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: not unlike rejoicing in having crushed one particular cockroach in your kitchen.
994625;1422415992;asciilifeform;roaches don't particularly care if you know that you have roaches.
994626;1422415996;asciilifeform;or if they lose one or two.
994627;1422416051;BingoBoingo;Also true
994628;1422416208;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4256 @ 0.00033141 = 1.4105 BTC [+]
994629;1422416242;danielpbarron;huh, I seem to be shadowbanned on reddit -- finally!
994630;1422416352;trinque;danielpbarron: you telling christians what their book says again?
994631;1422416388;danielpbarron;idk if it's just on /r/bitcoin or what
994632;1422416437;BingoBoingo;https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/2twlrx/localbitcoinscom_compromised_bitcoins_stolen/co358go
994633;1422416439;assbot;ButterNubber comments on LocalBitcoins.com Compromised, Bitcoins Stolen ... ( http://bit.ly/1EOlZgB )
994634;1422416986;decimation;asciilifeform: the whole episode steers one toward bsd
994635;1422417034;trinque;decimation: which?
994636;1422417044;trinque;I'm considering wiping out this gentoo install with openbsd
994637;1422417157;decimation;glibc bugs
994638;1422417163;BingoBoingo;trinque: Before wiping best to play with OpenBSD on some designated toy hardware. I can not recommend the Micheal W Lucas book enough.
994639;1422417166;trinque;decimation: meant which bsd?
994640;1422417186;decimation;eh.  I've played with openbsd - it's not a very big ecosystem
994641;1422417191;trinque;BingoBoingo: fired it up in a VM and felt like I sort of knew my way around
994642;1422417210;decimation;but it is probably more security-minded with W^X and ASLR
994643;1422417217;nijotz;http://cloud-4.steamusercontent.com/ugc/699517120641640149/1C42FDFC5357C6604A2EE03FB2ADCCC87A5B0D7E/
994644;1422417219;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1EOmFCD )
994645;1422417241;trinque;nijotz: lol
994646;1422417253;BingoBoingo;5.7 will bring as kernel space ASLR, also current on some platforms has that, but is... unfinished
994647;1422417278;BingoBoingo;!up gabriel_laddel
994648;1422417324;*;BingoBoingo thinks Brent Cook going to OpenBSD is one of the best things to happen to Linux in a long time.
994649;1422417346;BingoBoingo;Other than Google using OpenBSD's libc for Android over Gnu libc
994650;1422417399;trinque;BingoBoingo: I'll grab Absolute OpenBSD, ty
994651;1422417406;trinque;that's the one?
994652;1422417461;BingoBoingo;trinque: Indeed. Only current through 5.4 or 5.5 but differences since are well documented. The book is good for differences versus Linux and other BSD's
994653;1422417697;decimation;how can android use bsd libc?
994654;1422417699;BingoBoingo;trinque: M.W. Lucas is a sort of sage for commonly overlooked sysadmin stuff.
994655;1422417707;BingoBoingo;decimation: Because it is all *nix
994656;1422417709;decimation;isn't there significant differences wrt the kernel?
994657;1422417725;decimation;someone must have written shim code
994658;1422417726;BingoBoingo;decimation: Yes, linux kernel is deviant.
994659;1422417743;*;BingoBoingo digs for undeadly.org piece on the matter
994660;1422417784;BingoBoingo;decimation: http://undeadly.org/cgi?action=article&sid=20140506132000 << This so hard
994661;1422417785;assbot;Android's C Library Has 173 Files of Unchanged OpenBSD Code ... ( http://bit.ly/1EOnsmT )
994662;1422417828;danielpbarron;if you have beginners openbsd questions feel free to ask me
994663;1422417839;danielpbarron;i also have the book BingoBoingo recommended
994664;1422417857;trinque;danielpbarron: cool, sounds good
994665;1422417878;BingoBoingo;One very useful area the book discusses is configuring sudo users
994666;1422418093;trinque;BingoBoingo: a best-practices in general thing or something specific to openbsd's sudo?
994667;1422418151;BingoBoingo;trinque: In this tome a lot of OpenBSD specific stuff, but also general good practices. M W Lucas also has a sudo mastery book as part of his security trinity.
994668;1422418367;BingoBoingo;!up devthedev
994669;1422418604;danielpbarron;i also have the sudo mastery book, although i haven't cracked it open yet
994670;1422418646;devthedev;Soteriology puts a killing on my brain
994671;1422418647;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25400 @ 0.00038264 = 9.7191 BTC [+] {2} 
994672;1422418681;asciilifeform;openbsd is in some ways a 'hair shirt' (abolished loadable kmods, for instance)
994673;1422418768;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: Well most people complain about the big kernel lock.
994674;1422418786;BingoBoingo;devthedev: lol barry soetero
994675;1422419220;mod6;fuck
994676;1422419238;*;BingoBoingo thinks it would be fair to say Linux is silk shirt, FreeBSD is wool shirt, OpenBSD is hair shirt, and NetBSD is rolling around naked in poison ivy
994677;1422419259;mod6;wat
994678;1422419266;asciilifeform;yes, wat
994679;1422419283;mod6;anyway, so the script that i re-posted to the list wont work
994680;1422419299;mod6;gpg --logger-file chicken.sig.log --homedir .gnupg \
994681;1422419299;mod6;- --verify chicken/bitcoin-asciilifeform.1.patch.sig
994682;1422419313;mod6;^----- the turdalator adds this dash on parse
994683;1422419320;mod6;jurov: check this out
994684;1422419324;mod6;^^^
994685;1422419345;*;mod6 breaks random things
994686;1422419382;mod6;im just gonna post the fuckin script to the website direct.
994687;1422419405;asciilifeform;jurov: any possibility of making it actually work ?
994688;1422419415;asciilifeform;and how the hell did anything else get posted
994689;1422419429;asciilifeform;or am i the only one who actually tried to run what is up on that site.
994690;1422419440;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23220 @ 0.00037098 = 8.6142 BTC [-]
994691;1422419465;mod6;actually, jurov, it's not the fault of the turdalator
994692;1422419475;mod6;as it seems, gnupg did that nonsense.
994693;1422419481;asciilifeform;i did warn.
994694;1422419483;*;mod6 breaks more stuff
994695;1422419489;asciilifeform;!s clearsign
994696;1422419490;assbot;78 results for 'clearsign' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=clearsign
994697;1422419524;asciilifeform;http://log1.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=26-10-2014#897500
994698;1422419524;assbot;Logged on 26-10-2014 21:44:02; asciilifeform: till we have a gpg that clearsigns without escape char mutilation - we got this.
994699;1422419537;mod6;you know, before I did any of that, i thought about doing a detached sig, but then i wondered if something really funky would happen, like it would get somehow added to the patch-list automagically, and it doesn't belong there either.
994700;1422419556;asciilifeform;mantra: 'don't clearsign code.'
994701;1422419573;mod6;yeah. weaksauce
994702;1422419588;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-10-2014#901052 http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-10-2014#901055
994703;1422419588;assbot;Logged on 29-10-2014 01:36:19; asciilifeform: because plain ascii is like naked people
994704;1422419588;assbot;Logged on 29-10-2014 01:36:30; asciilifeform: everything feels free to manipulate the hanging bits
994705;1422419609;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=11-01-2015#972864
994706;1422419609;assbot;Logged on 11-01-2015 06:00:40; asciilifeform: in-band signalling is inevitably lame.
994707;1422419611;mod6;http://log1.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=26-10-2014#897503 << lol
994708;1422419611;assbot;Logged on 26-10-2014 21:44:58; mircea_popescu: see ? god hates us.
994709;1422419713;asciilifeform;what are we to do? pretend it's 1995 and post uuencoded turds ?
994710;1422419717;asciilifeform;because that's where this is going.
994711;1422419736;*;asciilifeform blows dust off uuencode
994712;1422419856;BingoBoingo;Worse things have happened
994713;1422419863;*;BingoBoingo glares at leap seconds
994714;1422419898;asciilifeform;leap seconds are braindamaged.
994715;1422419908;asciilifeform;why should i move my epoch clock for a political fiction.
994716;1422419918;asciilifeform;wall clock - sure, get places on time, etc.
994717;1422419921;asciilifeform;epoch? fuck you.
994718;1422419944;BingoBoingo;Seriously, pick a better number of cesium vibrations for the official figure
994719;1422419983;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: leap seconds are inserted - supposedly because earth slows. so not a constant.
994720;1422419999;asciilifeform;not enough to say that 1 newsecond = 1*k oldseconds
994721;1422420023;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: Convenient political fiction to cover a simple rounding error
994722;1422420070;BingoBoingo;Because significant figures... Maybe if things desync this often more figures are significant than are politically convenient
994723;1422420146;BingoBoingo;rather than admit far smaller digits have meaning they would rather make the world bark on command.
994724;1422420177;mod6;<+asciilifeform> what are we to do? pretend it's 1995 and post uuencoded turds ? << perfectly fine with me.
994725;1422420264;BingoBoingo;atm fortress http://www.bloomberg.com/graphics/2015-atm-bombers/
994726;1422420265;assbot;Boom: Inside a British Bank-Bombing Spree - Bloomberg Business ... ( http://bit.ly/1v1BNfG )
994727;1422420453;decimation;asciilifeform: usg actually proposed getting rid of leap seconds
994728;1422420462;decimation;accumulate them for years into some kind of 'leap hour'
994729;1422420514;decimation;asciilifeform: but if you eliminate the correction for leapseconds, you are going to create one extra step for someone who is trying to derive longitude from solar position
994730;1422420536;BingoBoingo;decimation: Not necessary, just create a better definition of second
994731;1422420552;decimation;BingoBoingo: no definition of a second will cover the variation in the earth's rotation
994732;1422420578;BingoBoingo;decimation: And the boundaries of fiat timezones are any better?
994733;1422420593;decimation;a leap second is literally correcting for the fact that a cesium atom vibrates with more precision than the earth spins about its axis
994734;1422420608;decimation;time zones have nothing to do with leap seconds
994735;1422420667;trinque;ditch days, nobody goes outside anymore anyway
994736;1422420674;trinque;all hail glorious cesium overlord
994737;1422420693;BingoBoingo;Ah, but time zones have everything to do with the imprecision people are willing to accept when it comes to time
994738;1422420719;decimation;well, the whole thing comes down to this: what ought to govern the period of a day?  the rotation of the earth or a random clock?
994739;1422420731;decimation;right now it's the rotation of the earth, even though it varies
994740;1422420738;danielpbarron;a second will henceforth be known as 1 six-hundredth of the average time it takes for a bitcoin block to be found
994741;1422420744;decimation;lol
994742;1422420775;BingoBoingo;Would anyone who contributed to this http://www.timetemperature.com/time-zone-maps/world-time-zone-map.shtml honest be capable of earnestly declaring allegiance to solar time?
994743;1422420776;assbot;World Time Zone Map ... ( http://bit.ly/1v1DPfO )
994744;1422420819;BingoBoingo;Poor Iceland
994745;1422420848;mod6;ok, so i sent the build.sh script in plaintext with a detached sig to the mailing and it just never showed up. lol
994746;1422420857;decimation;BingoBoingo: read this before wishing to abolish time zones http://qntm.org/abolish
994747;1422420858;assbot;So you want to abolish time zones @ Things Of Interest ... ( http://bit.ly/1v1Ea29 )
994748;1422420865;mod6;so i added the file direct to the website, along with the sig file
994749;1422420880;mod6;would one of you gentlement verify it for me?
994750;1422420883;mod6;http://thebitcoin.foundation/build.sh
994751;1422420884;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1v1EfD0 )
994752;1422420894;mod6;http://thebitcoin.foundation/build.sh.sig
994753;1422420895;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1v1EgH5 )
994754;1422420926;mod6;*gentlemen too :]
994755;1422420984;decimation;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=05-06-2014#703385
994756;1422420984;assbot;Logged on 05-06-2014 04:19:25; mircea_popescu: Oh? And when the last law was down, and the Devil turned 'round on you, where would you hide, Roper, the laws all being flat? This country is planted thick with laws, from coast to coast, Man's laws, not God's! And if you cut them down, and you're just the man to do it, do you really think you could stand upright in the winds that would blow then?
994757;1422421019;BingoBoingo;decimation: You forget I am one of the luck ones who sleeps ad libitum, who through the #b-a logs primarily judges time in GMT in spite of proximity to 90 degrees west
994758;1422421038;decimation;heh
994759;1422421044;BingoBoingo;Why not simply walk the meridian?
994760;1422421151;BingoBoingo;Let time stay constant. If planetary rotation slows acknowledge that as the problem.
994761;1422421198;BingoBoingo;Why should the measurement of time suffer for the insufficiencies of celestial body movement.
994762;1422421201;mod6;does anyone like thebitcoin.foundation/banner.html ?
994763;1422421211;danielpbarron;mod6, http://danielpbarron.com/build.sh.sig.txt
994764;1422421212;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1v1FqlI )
994765;1422421229;BingoBoingo;mod6: Banner looks purty
994766;1422421259;mod6;danielpbarron!
994767;1422421264;mod6;Thanks, Sir.
994768;1422421294;mod6;BingoBoingo: werd. been consider switchin to hard-core mode.
994769;1422421301;mod6;*considering
994770;1422421321;asciilifeform;mod6: cut off on my display
994771;1422421321;mod6;has anyone else used PC-BSD?
994772;1422421326;decimation;mod6 it verfies for me
994773;1422421329;mod6;asciilifeform: awe
994774;1422421333;mod6;decimation: thanks!
994775;1422421334;asciilifeform;(banner)
994776;1422421389;decimation;BingoBoingo: well, if the atomic clock is your timekeeper, than leap seconds are silly
994777;1422421394;decimation;my suggestion: use GPS time
994778;1422421420;decimation;http://www.leapsecond.com/java/gpsclock.htm " GPS, Global Positioning System time, is the atomic time scale implemented by the atomic clocks in the GPS ground control stations and the GPS satellites themselves. GPS time was zero at 0h 6-Jan-1980 and since it is not perturbed by leap seconds GPS is now ahead of UTC by 16 seconds. "
994779;1422421422;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1v1Gcz7 )
994780;1422421427;BingoBoingo;decimation: GPS time is USG turd. Want to be able to keep own clock.
994781;1422421460;decimation;sure.  do you have a clock that will but sub-second accurate across decades?
994782;1422421479;mod6;asciilifeform: what size display do you ya have? i checked it out with lynx too, looks pcool.
994783;1422421488;asciilifeform;1440 horiz.
994784;1422421512;asciilifeform;cut off unless fixedtype font is set absurdly small.
994785;1422421524;mircea_popescu;decimation how do you now ?
994786;1422421533;mod6;lemme see on this pcbsd box, its set to 1024x768
994787;1422421541;TheNewDeal;anybody here play/have played poker at casinos frequently?
994788;1422421542;BingoBoingo;decimation: Maybe? Only the fucking white ford F-150 which until mention in chan that bombarded my domicile with microwaves knows for sure.
994789;1422421551;mircea_popescu;note that merely *thinking* you do, or "not being able to find otherwise" can trivially be replicated by the conventional model he proposes.
994790;1422421563;decimation;mircea_popescu:  well, the way it works now, to my understanding, is that there's a kind of wot among high-spec clocks
994791;1422421568;mod6;looks ok on that box
994792;1422421569;mircea_popescu;time as anything other than arbitrary convention is a hard proposition.
994793;1422421576;danielpbarron;TheNewDeal, not frequently.. but i host a cash game every saturday
994794;1422421577;mircea_popescu;decimation exactly. not even a blockchain.
994795;1422421603;BingoBoingo;Time is not a feature of physics. It is imposed by the apperception upon the manifold.
994796;1422421603;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: http://sdr.osmocom.org/trac/wiki/rtl-sdr
994797;1422421604;assbot;      rtl-sdr – OsmoSDR     ... ( http://bit.ly/1v1GQgb )
994798;1422421608;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: i have one. they work.
994799;1422421635;TheNewDeal;the poker room I just played at had automagic card shufflers
994800;1422421642;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: distinguish wall clock time from the other kind.
994801;1422421661;mircea_popescu;even the other kind is a convention rather than a factual point at subsecond accuracy across decades
994802;1422421665;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: Will note
994803;1422421671;mircea_popescu;(i'm not disputing the timing of subatomic events)
994804;1422421671;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: interval is rigorously defined as n transitions of cesium atom b/w energy levels
994805;1422421688;asciilifeform;the purpose is precision rather than accuracy.
994806;1422421693;BingoBoingo;!up tripleslash
994807;1422421693;mircea_popescu;this is like "rigurously" defining womanhood as "n individual sex acts"
994808;1422421710;asciilifeform;precision timekeeping is what allows for, e.g., satellite navigation.
994809;1422421713;tripleslash;fucking znc
994810;1422421729;BingoBoingo;timekeeping is a myth
994811;1422421730;decimation;yeah, I am inaccurately using the word 'accuracy'
994812;1422421737;mircea_popescu;tripleslash you too ?
994813;1422421739;asciilifeform;rigorous, in this case, means 'arbitrarily replicable'
994814;1422421746;asciilifeform;on demand.
994815;1422421749;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform notice that so would be his.
994816;1422421755;mircea_popescu;for different values, ofcourse.
994817;1422421777;BingoBoingo;Time is properly not measured from reality, but imposed upon reality.
994818;1422421779;asciilifeform;incidentally, cesium standard is a fairly recent thing.
994819;1422421796;mircea_popescu;well so is the iridium alloy meter.
994820;1422421796;asciilifeform;was arrived at somewhat reluctantly, as i understand.
994821;1422421803;asciilifeform;just as metre.
994822;1422421816;mircea_popescu;standards generally are a recent thing. but time is particularly iffy when you try to bridge what's fundamentally unbridgeable
994823;1422421821;mircea_popescu;(micro to macro interactions)
994824;1422421847;decimation;isn't that what your processor is doing right now?
994825;1422421851;mircea_popescu;note, re the "replication" that recently they were stuck adding a 2nd 3rd second off midnight,
994826;1422421853;mircea_popescu;coupla weeks ago
994827;1422421865;asciilifeform;stuck?
994828;1422421865;mircea_popescu;decimation yeah, which is why we just had a cve earlier.
994829;1422421885;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform "they had to act inconsistently to maintain a certain facade of consistency"
994830;1422421886;asciilifeform;what if they didn't. what then. sunrise off by a few ns.
994831;1422421891;mircea_popescu;well...
994832;1422421899;mircea_popescu;EXACTLY. same argument bolsters the "time in blocks" conventionb.
994833;1422421900;asciilifeform;i say braindamaged.
994834;1422421902;BingoBoingo;Space similarly, not a property of "nature", but imposed upon nature by the apperception
994835;1422421914;mircea_popescu;we can agree that any convention is provably broken. that's by definition.
994836;1422421919;decimation;mircea_popescu: the question, as I stated earlier, is whether 'rotation of the earth about axis' or 'number of vibrations of cesium' is your timebase
994837;1422421934;mircea_popescu;decimation maybe "biotcoin blocks" is your timebase.
994838;1422421942;mircea_popescu;i can see a whole swathe of applications for which it would be.
994839;1422421954;decimation;sure.  but note that the precision is measureably poor
994840;1422421956;mircea_popescu;such as, contracts. "rent this appartment for 50`000 blocks"
994841;1422421960;asciilifeform;as far as anyone has been able to determine to date, the atom does not temporally misbehave, and so it can be used as clock to the limits of the measurement precision.
994842;1422421961;mircea_popescu;only in YOUR system
994843;1422421966;mircea_popescu;in my system YOUR precision is measurably poor.
994844;1422421973;mircea_popescu;relativity. it's a thing.
994845;1422421991;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform as long as that determination was made in a certain system that precludes so and so :)
994846;1422422010;mircea_popescu;"hey check it out, as long as im measuring atom transitions by atom transitions, atom transitions do not appear to misbehave!"
994847;1422422015;BingoBoingo;Kritik der reinen Vernunft A37=B54fn
994848;1422422049;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: notice that folks who actually need the cesium fountain for practical work do not bother with the metaphysics. but simply end up defining precise timebase as 'the thing that, if any noisier, now you can't geolocate but to +/-1km...'
994849;1422422068;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform that's why i laid into him. he wanted micro precision somehow magically over macro spans.
994850;1422422078;mircea_popescu;otherwise suire, atopmic clock works great for atomic physics.
994851;1422422108;*;BingoBoingo still maintains official apperception independent time standard off of wound spring.
994852;1422422123;mircea_popescu;lol how many shots you in bb ?
994853;1422422140;decimation;well, your 'bitcoin clock' would be pretty poor at precisely measuring a range of natural phenomena, with epicycles aplenty
994854;1422422160;mircea_popescu;sure. but perhaps it would be great at measuring economic and perhaps even social and political phenomena.
994855;1422422176;mircea_popescu;!up Dimsler
994856;1422422176;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: About 500 ml of 80 proof vodka tonight. Making up for the bender this past weekend could have been. After reddit IRL I need to clean the slate with a strong solvent.
994857;1422422188;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo ima try an' catch up. apparently can't sleep
994858;1422422191;Dimsler;what about the effects of dark matter on subatomic particles
994859;1422422199;decimation;good point, that
994860;1422422218;mircea_popescu;how about the effects of gravity! how about the effects of universe expanding! how abvout etc.
994861;1422422221;mircea_popescu;there's no end of that.
994862;1422422236;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: Latest qntra piece I took the opportunity to empty the venom sacks a bit on new Derpolis. Pete apparently leik'd it.
994863;1422422245;mircea_popescu;maybe the blockchain that messes up seconds is a minute off over ten trillion years. whereas cesium clocks, .855% off
994864;1422422248;asciilifeform;achtung, panzers!
994865;1422422251;asciilifeform;guess what i've got.
994866;1422422253;mircea_popescu;ye, 85 million years offs.
994867;1422422306;mircea_popescu;;;seen adlai
994868;1422422307;gribble;adlai was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 1 day, 11 hours, 51 minutes, and 35 seconds ago: <Adlai> 'want' is a strong word. i'm suggesting it as a possibility, to an intrepid [General] Manager
994869;1422422309;asciilifeform;a deterministic builder of statically linked 0.5.3.xxxxx. for arbitrary cross-compiler. and ran. and turd runs on pogo.
994870;1422422317;Dimsler;good ol Rutherford-Bohr model
994871;1422422318;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu, mod6, ben_vulpes, jurov ^^^^^^
994872;1422422319;decimation;excellent news!
994873;1422422323;mircea_popescu;fuck you you magnificent bastard.
994874;1422422327;asciilifeform;will post shortly
994875;1422422343;asciilifeform;note! had to patch the bitcoin
994876;1422422348;mircea_popescu;how ?
994877;1422422356;mod6;asciilifeform: sweet. what'd ya have to patch?
994878;1422422365;asciilifeform;because it was retardedly missing a header.
994879;1422422369;adlai;mircea_popescu: sup
994880;1422422370;asciilifeform;somehow this flew
994881;1422422374;asciilifeform;but not with static libs
994882;1422422380;mircea_popescu;adlai how much capital were you looking for ?
994883;1422422380;*;decimation feels sorry for the poor celestial navigator who is thrown off the timebase bus
994884;1422422419;mod6;what header?
994885;1422422419;asciilifeform;stripped binary 4153212 bytes
994886;1422422422;asciilifeform;with no dependencies
994887;1422422422;tripleslash;that's better
994888;1422422432;decimation;asciilifeform: did you have to patch gcc to fix the bug you posted the other day?
994889;1422422439;asciilifeform;mod6: stdint.
994890;1422422442;mircea_popescu;tripleslash saw teward's lulzy crash earlier ?
994891;1422422450;asciilifeform;decimation: nope
994892;1422422452;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform dude...
994893;1422422458;BingoBoingo;spring operated wrist mounted time standard is only 1.5 minutes off of ntp reported time in 8 years of constant operation.
994894;1422422465;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu is invited to replicate once automat is posted
994895;1422422486;decimation;BingoBoingo: did you set it in those 8 years?
994896;1422422498;Apocalyptic;mircea_popescu, it's a joke
994897;1422422509;BingoBoingo;decimation: Only hourly corrections for DST, but I do that based on raw feels.
994898;1422422510;Dimsler;since we are discussing horology
994899;1422422515;mircea_popescu;Apocalyptic what is ?
994900;1422422528;Apocalyptic;teward's quit message faking a segfault in znc
994901;1422422534;mircea_popescu;o it is ?!
994902;1422422537;mircea_popescu;got me lol
994903;1422422538;Apocalyptic;heh, yeah
994904;1422422566;adlai;mircea_popescu: it really depends what that capital is for. for funding further development of the bot? not much, feature by feature, i'm not looking for a vc-style investment. for testing the algorithm on larger amounts, to see how the strategy scales up? right now, two digit btc sum, more as progress permits.
994905;1422422574;BingoBoingo;decimation: The point is I am the one who imposes time onto the manifold of the unintuited world and not the reverse.
994906;1422422610;*;decimation would prefer to humbly submit to the silent dance of the celestial spheres, as man has done for all known time
994907;1422422614;mircea_popescu;adlai no dude, weren't you looking to run a PC based on it ?
994908;1422422663;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: I think adlai mentioned it assuming an intermediary being necessary not knowing that MPIF is direct.
994909;1422422679;adlai;that was mentioned as a possibility. what do you mean by "MPIF is direct"?
994910;1422422687;BingoBoingo;decimation: Man has never done that since ptolemy
994911;1422422718;BingoBoingo;adlai: In my experience MPIF invest in the person with the trading device instead of moneyed buffer intermediary
994912;1422422820;BingoBoingo;* decimation would prefer to humbly submit to the silent dance of the celestial spheres, as man has done for all known time << You do realize if you try to advance critical theory past Kant you buffer overflwo straight back to Hume. It is an ugly loop.
994913;1422422828;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo you definitely impose contorted grammar upon the reading public.
994914;1422422830;mircea_popescu;One piece of fallout from the recent SYRIZA win in Greece's election is the appointment of Yanis Varoufakis, most notable for tinkering with Valve's Steam video game marketplace to the position of Finance Minister. Yanis Varoufakis is much less notable for in the spring of 2013 writing one of the many essays naively assailing Bitcoin as some sort of impossible fantasy incapable of anything, an essay that safely could h
994915;1422422830;mircea_popescu;ave remained entirely without note. Unfortunately someone decided to promote him from advising ways for an arcade could extract more money from chumps to managing the finances of a populated area that is still by some miracle, in some form a sovereign state with a government.
994916;1422422831;mircea_popescu;vs
994917;1422422833;mircea_popescu;One piece of fallout from SYRIZA's recent win in Greec is the appointment of Yanis Varoufakis (mostly remembered for tinkering with Valve's Steam marketplace) to the position of Finance Minister. Yanis Varoufakis could also be less charitably remembered for penning numerous naive essays throughout the Spring of 2013, dedicated to misrepresenting Bitcoin as some sort of impossible fantasy incapable of anything. Superfic
994918;1422422838;mircea_popescu;ially it may seem unfortunate that someone decided to promote him from penny arcade optimisations to managing the finances of a populated area that to some degree still succeeds in putting forth the pretense of a sovereign state, with a government and everything. Upon further consideration, you will notice it's exactly adequate.
994919;1422422867;mircea_popescu;adlai "mpif is direct", where's that from ?
994920;1422422869;mircea_popescu;context dammit
994921;1422422888;mircea_popescu;oh
994922;1422422888;adlai;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=28-01-2015#994908
994923;1422422888;assbot;Logged on 28-01-2015 05:24:23; BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: I think adlai mentioned it assuming an intermediary being necessary not knowing that MPIF is direct.
994924;1422422906;adlai;:)
994925;1422422912;Dimsler;mircea_popescu, good riddance, maybe the euro will go back to being called the deutsch mark like it really is
994926;1422422918;mircea_popescu;adlai you ever looked into the workings of panacea ? and mike_c's tracking thereof ?
994927;1422422939;adlai;i'm familiar with the overall idea, although i couldn't recite its returns from memory
994928;1422422947;mircea_popescu;Dimsler fat chance of that. you folk will need tyo go beat all the gypos over the head again, and then the brits will burn berlin because 'o noes' again.
994929;1422422964;mircea_popescu;adlai so that's how it works. you get some btc, publish your trades, etc.
994930;1422422966;Dimsler;the fourth reich europe domination has proven to be a failure, instead of bodies all the tanned skin loungers got a free bmw or merc
994931;1422422974;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: Yanis did write more naive Bitcoin essays by they came later.
994932;1422422992;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo just generally you know, run on prose.
994933;1422423018;decimation;Dimsler: wohnen Sie in der Schweiz?
994934;1422423024;BingoBoingo;Yeah. Amazingly all but the last two paragraph happened before I acquired vodka.
994935;1422423024;assbot;AMAZING COMPANY!
994936;1422423039;Apocalyptic;trinque, by the way how's deedbot coming along ?
994937;1422423047;mircea_popescu;i think it's so tense and comma-tose because you're too tight. gotta learn to relax without liquor.
994938;1422423056;Dimsler;decimation, nein
994939;1422423067;BingoBoingo;Probably.
994940;1422423099;mircea_popescu;anyway, great article, solid structure, errything.
994941;1422423101;decimation;Dimsler: note that the 'free bmw' plan also allowed germany to 'increase' its gdp
994942;1422423106;BingoBoingo;Thank you.
994943;1422423125;Dimsler;decimation, at great cost to the quality of life for the average german
994944;1422423149;BingoBoingo;My spirit animal though is a most likely a wound spring. It used to be a wood chuck until Preston Byrne appropriated them and relabled them all fucking marmots.
994945;1422423156;mircea_popescu;Dimsler but at great gain to the quality of life of the average romanian. and to a lesser degree, frenchman.
994946;1422423170;mircea_popescu;thousands of dacias sailed out of timisoara EACH DAY by train, for over a year
994947;1422423183;mircea_popescu;cost about as much as the vouchers paid. 3-5kish
994948;1422423189;BingoBoingo;Marmot sounds like an absolute shit animul
994949;1422423202;Dimsler;yes and all those euros that flew in to build roads
994950;1422423216;BingoBoingo;Not a grand animal builder of bunkers for a post nuclear age
994951;1422423231;Dimsler;the fourth reich take over of europe ultimatly ended in a wealth transfer scheme and a failing currency
994952;1422423251;mircea_popescu;what exactly do you think take overs are ?
994953;1422423268;mircea_popescu;what, the french in alger, the belgians in congo, the erryone errywhere.
994954;1422423276;adlai;mircea_popescu: question: could a profit center be run within mpex/coinbr? ie, the extent of "you get some btc" would be crediting an account? kinda like how margin is described in the mpex faq.
994955;1422423283;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35126 @ 0.00040042 = 14.0652 BTC [+] {2} 
994956;1422423284;asciilifeform;mod6, jurov: sent
994957;1422423286;Dimsler;neo-colonialism was not a sustainable endeavour
994958;1422423287;decimation;of course the ideology of that fourth reich was harvard circa 1945
994959;1422423292;asciilifeform;mod6, jurov: no idea if the turdatron actually works though
994960;1422423296;asciilifeform;mod6 check plz ?
994961;1422423304;mircea_popescu;adlai you don't have to have a mpex account to be a pc manager if that's what yer asking.
994962;1422423320;asciilifeform;i'm not seeing any output.
994963;1422423320;mircea_popescu;<decimation> of course the ideology of that fourth reich was harvard circa 1945 << very astute observation.
994964;1422423331;asciilifeform;^ moldy's observation originally
994965;1422423331;mircea_popescu;right into my "argentina has no school" of yest.
994966;1422423338;decimation;aye, it was moldbug's
994967;1422423339;*;adlai wants to minimize counterparty risk. if mp is investing in a trading shop, why should mp's money leave mp's ex?
994968;1422423354;mircea_popescu;don't you need it to be on whatever exchange ?
994969;1422423363;Dimsler;decimation, i believe simon heffer rejuvenated that idea back in 2011
994970;1422423374;adlai;what's mpex, a text-based casino?
994971;1422423376;Dimsler;"Simon Heffer wrote in 2011 "Where Hitler failed by military means to conquer Europe, modern Germans are succeeding through trade and financial discipline. Welcome to the Fourth Reich."
994972;1422423421;mircea_popescu;adlai dude, you're making yourself impossible to follow. i thought you wrote a fx bot that works on 2-3 exchanges currenty and you're looking to finance it.
994973;1422423421;decimation;as an american, I see germany as a theme park filled with stuffed animals, spouting libtard-ideology
994974;1422423424;Dimsler;what he didn't see was that the trade was onsided, inexchange for a bunch of debt
994975;1422423444;mircea_popescu;decimation not too far off.
994976;1422423463;BingoBoingo;adlai: In my mpif experience if an exchange or asset looks like it is becoming imminently untenable the MPIA will tell you to bail and when.
994977;1422423466;Dimsler;decimation, i can assure you most of the larger cities are pretty much dumps
994978;1422423472;asciilifeform;http://loper-os.org/pub/ifuckinghatethis.tgz
994979;1422423474;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1z1fOW0 )
994980;1422423475;asciilifeform;^ mircea_popescu et al
994981;1422423491;mircea_popescu;Dimsler yeah, "trade" is not "give me free shit while i tan". how did that silly quote go, "And so on. The three men ended up working like dogs, using all the skills developed by trial and error in their first few weeks � building a hut, fish, trying to get the women to forage. The women continued to bitch and sunbathe."
994982;1422423493;asciilifeform;yes jurov's thing ate it silently.
994983;1422423504;adlai;what's the MPIA?
994984;1422423508;mircea_popescu;why do you hate it ?!
994985;1422423515;BingoBoingo;adlai: MP Intelligence Agency
994986;1422423517;asciilifeform;because it doesn't work.
994987;1422423519;adlai;lololololl
994988;1422423520;asciilifeform;never worked.
994989;1422423538;asciilifeform;i think i was the first one to actually run something from the www output end of turdatron today
994990;1422423539;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform i thought you just said it worked a moment ago ?
994991;1422423541;asciilifeform;and it was missing dashes.
994992;1422423543;decimation;http://unqualified-reservations.blogspot.com/2007/06/why-conservatives-never-quite-catch.html < "The Brahmins, universalists, ultracalvinists, etc, do not hate "our culture" at all. They have a very distinct culture of their own - with a family tree that spends a remarkable amount of time in Massachusetts, upstate New York, etc, etc. (In Charles Royster's excellent and only mildly neo-Unionist picture of the Civil War, The
994993;1422423545;assbot;Unqualified Reservations: Why conservatives never quite catch the boat ... ( http://bit.ly/1z1g2fN )
994994;1422423545;asciilifeform;my code - works
994995;1422423545;decimation;Destructive War, he mentions a foreign traveler in 1864 who asked some random American to explain the war. "It's the conquest of America by Massachusetts," was the answer. Massachusetts, of course, later went on to conquer first Europe and then the entire planet, the views of whose elites as of 2007 bear a surprisingly coincidental resemblance to those held at Harvard in 1945. But I digress.)"
994996;1422423548;asciilifeform;turdatron - n
994997;1422423549;asciilifeform;o
994998;1422423556;Dimsler;mircea_popescu, LOL i know
994999;1422423561;asciilifeform;it also ate my mail
995000;1422423561;Dimsler;a very amusing analogy
995001;1422423567;asciilifeform;without even a squeak.
995002;1422423588;asciilifeform;turdatron == jurov's www patch submission gizmo
995003;1422423592;asciilifeform;on therealbitcoin.org
995004;1422423609;mircea_popescu;decimation incidentally, for all the idiots who imagine (well, wish to believe, and so do believe) that b-a is "a cult" or that well designed, self-centered cultures do not prevail irl...
995005;1422423612;asciilifeform;well anyway, i'm back to putting patches on my site
995006;1422423625;mircea_popescu;the sad fact of the matter is that ONLY THEY DO. and the current libertardism of the us was exactly b-a back in the 70s.
995007;1422423626;asciilifeform;ifuckinghatethis.tgz <<<<<<< universal deterministic builder for bitcoind
995008;1422423634;decimation;asciilifeform: lol
995009;1422423635;asciilifeform;for any machine you like that has gcc
995010;1422423649;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16474 @ 0.00040604 = 6.6891 BTC [+]
995011;1422423650;asciilifeform;instructions inside. safe if used as prescribed.
995012;1422423657;Dimsler;excuse my ignorance but what is b-a?
995013;1422423660;decimation;mircea_popescu: absolutely, the 'harvard elite' are very much a cult that happens to be in fashion
995014;1422423661;mircea_popescu;this.
995015;1422423673;Apocalyptic;;;search Bridgewater
995016;1422423674;gribble;There were no matching configuration variables.
995017;1422423686;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform are you going to write a full step by step guide and publish on blog ?
995018;1422423693;asciilifeform;it's in there!
995019;1422423704;asciilifeform;it's just a fscking shell script
995020;1422423705;adlai;mircea_popescu: the problem is that i'm not certain what's the best arrangement. the "fx bot" currently runs on 3 btc/fiat exchanges, but that's not necessarily the best place to run it, and i'm not sure that i'm the best person to handle the "get btc from investors to exchange and back" side of things
995021;1422423718;mircea_popescu;as it is, it dun exist. has to have rounded corners yo! but anyway! let's do packaging separately.
995022;1422423721;mircea_popescu;yo danielpbarron you around ?
995023;1422423722;*;adlai trusts himself with his own money, barely.
995024;1422423727;asciilifeform;nothing directly to do with the 'pogo' - that's a separate one, that isn't ready to show yet
995025;1422423738;asciilifeform;this one gives you a bitcoind executable, fully static, for given cpu.
995026;1422423743;danielpbarron;mircea_popescu, ya
995027;1422423749;asciilifeform;using given turdballs of 'openssl', 'bdb', 'boost'.
995028;1422423754;asciilifeform;user supplies them.
995029;1422423766;asciilifeform;oh don't forget the patch.
995030;1422423768;mircea_popescu;danielpbarron wouldja be willing to package asciilifeform's final pogo stuff into a very detailed, any noob can get it post ?
995031;1422423793;asciilifeform;this particular script just as easily builds pc unix version of bitcoin
995032;1422423798;danielpbarron;sure
995033;1422423800;asciilifeform;just replace the cross-compile gcc with your normal one.
995034;1422423810;asciilifeform;deterministic build, about 40 minutes later.
995035;1422423813;asciilifeform;(on my box)
995036;1422423814;mircea_popescu;danielpbarron drop an address i'll send you a few dollah so you can buy yourself a few pogos to try it all out on.
995037;1422423830;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: this is not the pogo autodeflorator yet
995038;1422423835;asciilifeform;just gives arm ELF of bitcoin
995039;1422423841;Apocalyptic;re self-centered cultures, I recently stumbled upon Bridgewater, a hedge fund that mainstream media often described as "a cult". It shares several concepts with b-a
995040;1422423841;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform i know. im prepping your packager so you don't have to do it yourself.
995041;1422423842;asciilifeform;can run on any armv5 box running a unix.
995042;1422423847;asciilifeform;danke mircea_popescu
995043;1422423862;mircea_popescu;Apocalyptic write it up ? got a blog ?
995044;1422423873;asciilifeform;anyone with exotic cpu he wants to try, is invited to replace the armv5 cross-gcc with his
995045;1422423880;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo ^ and his pdp
995046;1422423885;asciilifeform;or what it was
995047;1422423909;mircea_popescu;adlai you gotta man up at *some* point.
995048;1422423912;asciilifeform;60 lines of sh.
995049;1422423919;asciilifeform;dear glub. why this did not exist before.
995050;1422423935;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform answer obvious, skipping.
995051;1422423940;asciilifeform;l0l aha
995052;1422423956;asciilifeform;i was gonna post my armv5 elf
995053;1422423961;asciilifeform;but realized that me tree's out of date
995054;1422423970;asciilifeform;not even the bdb locks patch
995055;1422423980;Apocalyptic;mircea, nope. Maybe some qntra writers will find it worth an article
995056;1422423990;asciilifeform;(why? see thread http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=28-01-2015#994353 )
995057;1422423990;assbot;Logged on 28-01-2015 00:49:36; asciilifeform: http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2015-January/000031.html <<<< gpg: BAD signature from "mod6 (mod6) <modsix@gmail.com>
995058;1422424002;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: When hardware replaces pile cooked by fucking NetPG will try. Worst BSD experience ever. Would not lament painful demise of NetBSD devs responsible for that abortion.
995059;1422424020;decimation;asciilifeform: your sigs check out
995060;1422424042;asciilifeform;ty decimation
995061;1422424047;asciilifeform;now somebody fire it.
995062;1422424065;asciilifeform;oh
995063;1422424070;asciilifeform;probably should explain patch
995064;1422424109;asciilifeform;1) nixed zlib. it isn't used in bitcoin! it was demanded by demented fucktarded 'boost' > 1.53, iirc (won't even let you cut it off)
995065;1422424137;decimation;i remember that dep. hell
995066;1422424139;asciilifeform;2) added c++03 flag, my crosscompiler spewed chunder without it
995067;1422424158;asciilifeform;3) added missing stdint header include in util.h. how it worked without it? ask satoshi not me
995068;1422424162;asciilifeform;that's all.
995069;1422424184;asciilifeform;end product should be 'bitcoind' in bitcoin/src, stripped
995070;1422424186;decimation;I had to do that to make it build on openbsd
995071;1422424187;asciilifeform;for your cpu.
995072;1422424194;decimation;too lazy to build patch sorry :(
995073;1422424263;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform if memory serves it worked by "ignore missing deps" flag at compile time lol
995074;1422424295;asciilifeform;and i suppose by assuming a 32bit mysteryturd for the type.
995075;1422424309;mircea_popescu;why not.
995076;1422424311;mircea_popescu;wcpgw
995077;1422424330;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo "rewarded with private profits while the losses are socialize eliminating risk"
995078;1422424344;BingoBoingo;Dammit
995079;1422424373;mircea_popescu;"First, the bitcoin social economy is bound to be typified by chronic deflation. Secondly, we have already seen the rise of a bitcoin aristocracy (a term �coined� by Greek blogger @techiechan) which, besides the issues of distributive justice which it raises"
995080;1422424378;mircea_popescu;distributive justice ? seriously ?
995081;1422424381;asciilifeform;btw that thing is running on me pogo now.
995082;1422424384;mircea_popescu;distributively juice my cock.
995083;1422424388;asciilifeform;grabbing bloxx
995084;1422424391;mircea_popescu;yay!
995085;1422424400;BingoBoingo;fxd
995086;1422424426;decimation;asciilifeform: I imagine the pogo is slow as balls
995087;1422424432;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo " can indeed wield the power of capital thwart assaults on " < to.
995088;1422424449;mircea_popescu;decimation asciilifeform only q is, does it take less than 10 mins per block.
995089;1422424460;BingoBoingo;Now now, apparently distributive justice is a concept white people who redefine queer to no longer mean gay take seriouslu
995090;1422424465;asciilifeform;decimation: model name      : Feroceon 88FR131 rev 1 (v5l)
995091;1422424465;asciilifeform;BogoMIPS        : 795.44
995092;1422424470;asciilifeform;(/proc/cpuinfo)
995093;1422424476;asciilifeform;for what it's worth.
995094;1422424483;decimation;that's actually not too bad
995095;1422424496;mircea_popescu;feroceon ?! ahahaha great name.
995096;1422424508;BingoBoingo;fxd pt 2
995097;1422424530;adlai;mircea_popescu: scalpl has existed for less than a year. puberty rarely starts in less than a decade. by this metric, i'm optimistic!
995098;1422424544;mircea_popescu;adlai alrighty.
995099;1422424546;decimation;what does cat /proc/timer_list  | grep resolution return?
995100;1422424556;mircea_popescu;^ yeah me 2.
995101;1422424570;danielpbarron;mircea_popescu, http://danielpbarron.com/pogo.asc.txt
995102;1422424571;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1z1iFy0 )
995103;1422424594;asciilifeform;blocheit 1416
995104;1422424608;*;adlai is not looking for a lump sum right now / yet. "scalpl is an experiment"
995105;1422424613;asciilifeform;decimation: .resolution: 1 nsecs
995106;1422424625;decimation;interesting, they must have some kind of functional timer
995107;1422424633;asciilifeform;decimation: prolly tick counter
995108;1422424636;asciilifeform;like everybody else.
995109;1422424639;decimation;aye
995110;1422424640;mircea_popescu;that must be a fake
995111;1422424648;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu see above
995112;1422424659;decimation;yeah it's not really able to measure 1 ns with precision
995113;1422424669;mircea_popescu;yea k
995114;1422424670;asciilifeform;oscillator drift
995115;1422424680;asciilifeform;your cpu pll is not a scientific instrument, lol
995116;1422424702;decimation;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=20-07-2014#762924
995117;1422424702;assbot;Logged on 20-07-2014 23:47:17; asciilifeform: likewise - perhaps there is no need to point this out, but the linux/bsd kernel is also not a scientific instrument.
995118;1422424719;mircea_popescu;"The reason that money is and can only be political is that the only way of steering a course between the Scylla and Charybdis of dangerous ponzi growth and stagnation is to exercise a degree of rational, collective control over the supply of money. And since this control is bound to be political, in the sense that different monetary policies will affect different groups of people differently, the only decent manner in
995119;1422424719;mircea_popescu; which such control can be exercised is through a democratic, collective agency."
995120;1422424721;mircea_popescu;bwahahaha o lordy.
995121;1422424724;asciilifeform;(if don't know, learn where the x GHz clock comes from. pll multiplicator of an ordinary quartz! compounded error)
995122;1422424741;mircea_popescu;a) "stagnation" is not the ultimate evil. that fake dilemma. b) seriously, the only "decent" way ?
995123;1422424753;mircea_popescu;line up and skirts over head bitches, there's no decency in sight.
995124;1422424755;mod6;<+asciilifeform> mod6 check plz ? << i don't see anything in the mailing list
995125;1422424766;asciilifeform;mod6: i sent it
995126;1422424768;asciilifeform;it ate it
995127;1422424783;asciilifeform;naturally, nothing came out other end.
995128;1422424788;mod6;yeah. it ate that one of mine too. its hungry.
995129;1422424809;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo " in that is discards the organized theft and poverty cultured by socialism" <<  in that is discards the organized theft and the poverty cultured by socialism. if you enumerate gotta keep all elements in the same degree of articledness.
995130;1422424858;mircea_popescu;"organized theft and poverty as cultured by sociaism" perhaps a lither, more fuckable version.
995131;1422424860;decimation;mircea_popescu: of course, if such a person would spew such nonsense to many kings of yore he would be hanging from a tree
995132;1422424865;BingoBoingo;fxd 3
995133;1422424867;mircea_popescu;decimation not so.
995134;1422424873;asciilifeform;after 1900 blox, ram is half full
995135;1422424887;mircea_popescu;on average, the profession of vizier scores a hair under the profession of mendicant popular medic.
995136;1422424905;BingoBoingo;fxd 4
995137;1422424913;asciilifeform;wat even is this
995138;1422424953;decimation;mircea_popescu: that's a good point, gotta have the court jester to keep things lively
995139;1422424986;mircea_popescu;"Bitcoin is apolitical except to the extent it by the harsh realities of mathematics and actual economics finds itself in opposition to all forms of socialism." << "Bitcoin is apolitical, yet by the harsh realities of mathematics and actual economics it necessarily finds itself in opposition to all forms of socialism. Which, arguably, are apolitical as well, inasmuch as politics is about the polis not the utopia."
995140;1422425003;mircea_popescu;essentially, bitcoin is apolitical AND areligious.
995141;1422425034;decimation;of course, one can see why the priests would feel threatened
995142;1422425043;mircea_popescu;a religion that likes to call itself political because out of historical accident it replaced yahveh with something identical but called "reason" for no good reason is realy butthurt at this
995143;1422425098;mircea_popescu;anyway, still great article, hitting the mark. qntra can only go to moon from here.
995144;1422425123;asciilifeform;oh before i forget
995145;1422425134;BingoBoingo;fxd 5, deviant from suggestion
995146;1422425141;asciilifeform;that thing needs to piss debug.log to rs232 console, not disk
995147;1422425163;asciilifeform;(now we have our first fork of the fork, whoopee)
995148;1422425171;mircea_popescu;http://36.media.tumblr.com/0a69f71f07be6948d17bc1b8eac711a9/tumblr_mgybi1ruLj1rycl0co1_1280.jpg great titjob is great.
995149;1422425172;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1z1k4F0 )
995150;1422425182;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: Opaque grammar version still appears to have hooked massive traction on the socialitard media.
995151;1422425185;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform fork of fork ?
995152;1422425196;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo coo.
995153;1422425206;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: aha. toy computer needs a little bit of own variant
995154;1422425218;asciilifeform;for maximum ribbed pleasure
995155;1422425223;BingoBoingo;https://twitter.com/search?f=realtime&q=qntra.net&src=typd
995156;1422425225;assbot;qntra.net - Twitter Search ... ( http://bit.ly/1z1kcEj )
995157;1422425248;mircea_popescu;lol
995158;1422425274;BingoBoingo;Barret brown piece on the order for tommorow. Bitcoin Magazine piece... eventually... Not like it is going anywhere
995159;1422425276;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: that chain reminds instantly of the chains in public parks to keep folks off lawn
995160;1422425289;decimation;!http://www.northjersey.com/mobile/news/business/american-airlines-interested-in-offering-flights-to-cuba-1.1259365
995161;1422425295;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform they still do that in the us ?!
995162;1422425301;asciilifeform;no.
995163;1422425307;asciilifeform;i never saw it in usa.
995164;1422425308;mircea_popescu;prolly should put some pics up from sanity land oiver here. everyone's barefoot in the grass for lunch.
995165;1422425320;mircea_popescu;ah kk
995166;1422425338;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo nice stuff.
995167;1422425338;decimation;mircea_popescu: no, around asciilifeform they use 6 ft diameter concrete 'planters' to act as 'subtle' car barriers
995168;1422425364;asciilifeform;decimation: lately they skimp, and use gigantic plastic simulacra of these, in neon colours, filled with rancid rainwater
995169;1422425391;decimation;even our security theater is made of plastic these days
995170;1422425401;mircea_popescu;maybe they progress to dildos soon
995171;1422425413;mircea_popescu;;;ticker
995172;1422425414;gribble;Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 256.09, Best ask: 257.18, Bid-ask spread: 1.09000, Last trade: 255.99, 24 hour volume: 15905.86238738, 24 hour low: 243.1, 24 hour high: 267.72, 24 hour vwap: 257.153636816
995173;1422425419;mircea_popescu;heh srsly ?
995174;1422425423;asciilifeform;discount plastic dildo
995175;1422425583;decimation;they have those too: http://www.barriersdirect.co.uk/bollards-c1022/plastic-bollards-traffic-cones-c1113
995176;1422425585;assbot;Plastic Bollards | Plastic Traffic Bollards | Removable Plastic Bollards ... ( http://bit.ly/1z1l9N2 )
995177;1422425623;BingoBoingo;https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/2twlrx/localbitcoinscom_compromised_bitcoins_stolen/co39nea
995178;1422425625;assbot;ButterNubber comments on LocalBitcoins.com Compromised, Bitcoins Stolen ... ( http://bit.ly/1z1liA0 )
995179;1422425631;decimation;with that I bid good evening gentlemen
995180;1422425634;decimation;!down decimation
995181;1422425683;BingoBoingo;http://www.barriersdirect.co.uk/bollards-c1022/stainless-steel-bollards-c1026/stainless-steel-bollards-mitred-welded-cap-p4595
995182;1422425684;assbot;Stainless Steel Bollards Mitred Welded Cap. · Barriers Direct ... ( http://bit.ly/1z1lrnb )
995183;1422425696;asciilifeform;oh elf shows as 'dynamic', because http://pastebin.com/MswHdRyg
995184;1422425697;assbot;$ armv5tel-softfloat-linux-gnueabi-readelf -d -t bitcoind   There are 28 section - Pastebin.com ... ( http://bit.ly/1z1lsr0 )
995185;1422425724;asciilifeform;for a minute i almost thought it was all a waste of time.
995186;1422425738;mod6;http://pastebin.com/MswHdRyg
995187;1422425739;assbot;$ armv5tel-softfloat-linux-gnueabi-readelf -d -t bitcoind   There are 28 section - Pastebin.com ... ( http://bit.ly/1z1lz68 )
995188;1422425747;mod6;f
995189;1422425749;mod6;sorry
995190;1422425845;asciilifeform;blockheight=2892, memory is 90 percent full.
995191;1422425847;asciilifeform;soon dies.
995192;1422425863;asciilifeform;3324 rather
995193;1422425882;asciilifeform;anyone still awake who gives a fuck ?
995194;1422425889;asciilifeform;i'ma leave it go
995195;1422425890;mod6;yeah
995196;1422425897;mod6;just let it run
995197;1422425910;mod6;that's what it does though, chews up ram
995198;1422425932;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform let it go, what. see what happens if it's unattended till tomorrow.
995199;1422425932;asciilifeform;world's smallest bitcoin node possible.
995200;1422425937;mod6;and you're on like a 128mb pogo or w/e right?
995201;1422425944;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: it will do exactly what planned, oomkill itself
995202;1422425951;asciilifeform;mod6 aha
995203;1422425951;mircea_popescu;and restart ?
995204;1422425952;asciilifeform;aha
995205;1422425955;mircea_popescu;so let it go.
995206;1422425959;asciilifeform;what i said, ye
995207;1422425965;asciilifeform;loop, loop.
995208;1422425969;mod6;aight. anyway gl!
995209;1422425969;BingoBoingo;https://twitter.com/BBoingo/status/560321172760715264
995210;1422425970;assbot;It's 2015, and we can't even resolve DNS without accidentally executing code :(
995211;1422425972;mircea_popescu;come back in 24 hour sor w/e you have time, see how far it got.
995212;1422425979;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo amen.
995213;1422425993;asciilifeform;i'm still mindfucking over that it weights only 4m
995214;1422425998;asciilifeform;*weighs
995215;1422426000;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: Mind too pickled to make trigger decisions atm
995216;1422426004;mircea_popescu;no dude. it's about right.
995217;1422426023;mircea_popescu;once people start coding with a view to coding, rather than being massive flaming cockidiots.
995218;1422426034;asciilifeform;most of the 4m is crud incidentally
995219;1422426041;mircea_popescu;exactly.
995220;1422426068;TheNewDeal;!down TheNEwDeal
995221;1422426075;BingoBoingo;Inevitable consequence of RISC CISC hybrid created for high performance on some tasks and failure otherwise
995222;1422426087;asciilifeform;i should like to hear tomorrow that one of you folks built it
995223;1422426089;asciilifeform;and it ran
995224;1422426098;asciilifeform;doesn't get any easier than this
995225;1422426135;mircea_popescu;!up happyfr0gg
995226;1422426142;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform we see what danielpbarron sez
995227;1422426145;mircea_popescu;!up tripleslash
995228;1422426151;mircea_popescu;tripleslash gotta use your reg'd name.
995229;1422426152;tripleslash;fucking bots
995230;1422426155;tripleslash;gay
995231;1422426157;mircea_popescu;no u
995232;1422426161;tripleslash;urmom
995233;1422426167;mircea_popescu;clearly.
995234;1422426193;tripleslash;some things aren't meant to be.
995235;1422426203;mircea_popescu;lmao this suggests a new insult for the chronically whiteknighting libertard warrior.
995236;1422426210;mircea_popescu;"did your mom have oyu with another woman or something ?"
995237;1422426236;tripleslash;"so which is it: did you have two momrs or two dads?"
995238;1422426244;*;BingoBoingo still reels over 2015 college definition of queer including MP
995239;1422426253;mircea_popescu;"and which one was the llama"
995240;1422426254;tripleslash;;;ud queer
995241;1422426255;gribble;http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=queer | queer: Originally pejorative for gay, now being reclaimed by some gay men, lesbians, bisexuals and transgendered persons as a self-affirming umbrella term.
995242;1422426268;mircea_popescu;queer was never fucking pejorative wtf.
995243;1422426273;BingoBoingo;Because now everything but man with singular wife and children is queer
995244;1422426291;tripleslash;I'd argue man with singular wife and children is queer.
995245;1422426327;mircea_popescu;well either queer or not very bright.
995246;1422426352;BingoBoingo;tripleslash: I spent this past weekend in an IRL version of reddit. If you are brave enough next year can pass the deets.
995247;1422426378;BingoBoingo;!up happyfr0gg
995248;1422426394;tripleslash;BingoBoingo, never.
995249;1422426404;mircea_popescu;!up happyfr0gg
995250;1422426411;tripleslash;!down
995251;1422426416;tripleslash;!down tripleslash
995252;1422426416;mircea_popescu;lol
995253;1422426424;BingoBoingo;!up tripleslash
995254;1422426436;BingoBoingo;tripleslash: Free live minstrel shows...
995255;1422426446;tripleslash;!ud minstrel
995256;1422426482;tripleslash;damn, I was hoping it was being reclaimed from its original perjorative form
995257;1422426528;mircea_popescu;minstrel was pejorative ?
995258;1422426532;mircea_popescu;wtf is next, woman ?
995259;1422426532;BingoBoingo;tripleslash: No, literally educated black college students acting out old songs from the south for the entertainment of white people
995260;1422426547;asciilifeform;http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2015/jan/26/us-charges-alleged-russian-spies-new-york << loltronic
995261;1422426549;assbot;US charges Russian 'spies' suspected of trying to recruit New Yorkers | US news | The Guardian ... ( http://bit.ly/1z1nHdZ )
995262;1422426552;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: Everything is pejoative
995263;1422426558;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform again that one /
995264;1422426571;asciilifeform;obligarory preet!
995265;1422426589;mircea_popescu;didn't they just embarass themselves with the "high tech" capture of some slut on vacation and half a dozen steeds, last year ?
995266;1422426595;asciilifeform;aha.
995267;1422426601;asciilifeform;or rather, '09
995268;1422426698;asciilifeform;http://cryptome.org/2015-info/evgeny-buryakov/evgeny-buryakov.htm << him
995269;1422426699;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1z1o8Fe )
995270;1422426707;mircea_popescu;nono, was another one
995271;1422426714;asciilifeform;no that's today's.
995272;1422426725;asciilifeform;woman - was called 'chapman'
995273;1422426730;asciilifeform;(i forget actual name)
995274;1422426782;BingoBoingo;Ironically Anna Chapman resembles local family named Chapman I grew up with. Father was chess coach. Inexplicably bad at playing for his knowledge of the game.
995275;1422426792;asciilifeform;'Podobny explicitly states in a recorded phonecall that he works for the SVR, and even expresses their disappointment that spycraft was not what they dreamed of. Podobny told his colleague, �The fact that I�m sitting with a cookie right now at the � chief enemy spot. Fuck! Not one point of what I thought then, not even close.�'
995276;1422426814;mircea_popescu;wait so this is a rehash ?
995277;1422426814;asciilifeform;ru intends to match usa at the 'let's pretend to be cretins' olympics.
995278;1422426825;asciilifeform;sorta rehash
995279;1422426827;asciilifeform;with new faces
995280;1422426856;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform lol right. so damning, that.
995281;1422426869;mircea_popescu;"some derp told tall tales on the phone!! TO A WOMAN!"
995282;1422426882;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35478 @ 0.00039431 = 13.9893 BTC [-] {2} 
995283;1422427110;asciilifeform;blockheight=4623, mem=86% full (odd), no kill yet
995284;1422427127;asciilifeform;presumably there was some caching in the mix
995285;1422427131;mircea_popescu;it'll get raped later on as the chain complexifies.
995286;1422427140;asciilifeform;(figure was total ram usage, incl. os, not process per se)
995287;1422427143;asciilifeform;and yes it will.
995288;1422427145;*;asciilifeform to bed
995289;1422427158;danielpbarron;it's only at 5k so far?
995290;1422427203;asciilifeform;danielpbarron: bottleneck right now is disk
995291;1422427207;asciilifeform;i ran it off sd card
995292;1422427228;asciilifeform;will try with actual drive later
995293;1422427241;asciilifeform;(the one in the photo)
995294;1422427242;danielpbarron;ah
995295;1422427336;BingoBoingo;Mega lol The turk is to pay the jew, on the price of the day, twenty oca of prime pastrami, which he ate ; and the jew to pay the turk twenty lire, for having tricked him giving a sack of clothes that held no clothes, but pastrami, and not proper sheep pastrami, but jew pastrami.
995296;1422427343;asciilifeform;http://imgur.com/mFytet5 << that one
995297;1422427344;assbot;                        test - Imgur ... ( http://bit.ly/1z1q0xK )
995298;1422427370;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25500 @ 0.00038911 = 9.9223 BTC [-]
995299;1422427390;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo i so love that story :D
995300;1422427430;BingoBoingo;That was a great one.
995301;1422427519;*;BingoBoingo also working on a comment to the Godfather Trilema.
995302;1422427555;*;BingoBoingo is sure the Godfather is not an Italian work, but a middle western greek tragedy
995303;1422427631;danielpbarron;is this the thing? http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B006I5MKZY/
995304;1422427633;assbot;Amazon.com : Pogoplug Series 4 Backup Device : Networked Attached Storage : Camera & Photo ... ( http://bit.ly/1z1qPXq )
995305;1422427637;BingoBoingo;Hinges on Puzo knowing he was making trash of pulp, but making pulp that was flattering and salable to hollywood
995306;1422427659;BingoBoingo;danielpbarron: Appears so
995307;1422427697;danielpbarron;and it needs a hard drive too?
995308;1422427700;mircea_popescu;danielpbarron exact model discussed at length in teh logs, search for pogo.
995309;1422427703;BingoBoingo;"Sold by National Liquidation" is not an encouraging sign
995310;1422427926;BingoBoingo;https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/2txty4/greece_taps_antibitcoin_video_game_economist_as/
995311;1422427928;assbot;Greece Taps Anti-Bitcoin Video Game Economist as Finance Minister : Bitcoin ... ( http://bit.ly/1JEWBfU )
995312;1422427944;mircea_popescu;murderin dat social moedia ?
995313;1422428041;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 50200 @ 0.00040395 = 20.2783 BTC [+]
995314;1422428109;BingoBoingo;Workin on it.
995315;1422428124;BingoBoingo;If it isn't in the WoT it is fair game.
995316;1422428329;BingoBoingo;Mega lol https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/2twtc5/greeces_new_finance_minister_not_a_fan_of_btc/co353z9
995317;1422428331;assbot;KoKansei comments on Greece's new finance minister NOT a fan of BTC. ... ( http://bit.ly/1z1sLiH )
995318;1422428392;BingoBoingo;Oh we have uno fan who is not a part of SMHOWA https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/2twtc5/greeces_new_finance_minister_not_a_fan_of_btc/co30tnn
995319;1422428394;assbot;xcsler comments on Greece's new finance minister NOT a fan of BTC. ... ( http://bit.ly/1z1sVq9 )
995320;1422428403;BingoBoingo;*Social Media Holy War
995321;1422428585;BingoBoingo;https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/2twtc5/greeces_new_finance_minister_not_a_fan_of_btc/co346hw
995322;1422428587;assbot;sgornick comments on Greece's new finance minister NOT a fan of BTC. ... ( http://bit.ly/1z1tq3x )
995323;1422428681;mircea_popescu;http://40.media.tumblr.com/cd22a46b683e80889ffce500ce436b3c/tumblr_mndu4jdOJ51sqjeuuo1_500.jpg
995324;1422428682;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1z1tCjk )
995325;1422428685;BingoBoingo;Speak of the devil. A socialized losses incident https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=938765.0
995326;1422428686;assbot;796 lost 1,000 bitcoin ... ( http://bit.ly/1z1tCzS )
995327;1422428830;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo reminds one of the entire cryptostocks / vcx debacle.
995328;1422428887;mircea_popescu;"why you can't invest with [insert random website]". http://trilema.com/2013/why-you-cant-invest-with-cryptostocks/
995329;1422428887;assbot;Why you can't invest with Cryptostocks pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.  ... ( http://bit.ly/1z1u8xM )
995330;1422428894;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: I think hanbot was still on Bitcointalk long enough to shit on them. Basically the same deal except explicitly Chinese.
995331;1422428901;mircea_popescu;yeah i recall them.
995332;1422429003;mircea_popescu;"   I wanted and needed the information in its "natural raw" state and in as comprehensive a volume as it was practical for me to make full use of it. But the most important thing about this move was to guard against the chance of intelligence being used to influence or to lead the President into unwise decisions�and I thought it was necessary that the President do his own thinking and evaluating."
995333;1422429010;mircea_popescu;seems pretty reasonable decimation
995334;1422429012;mircea_popescu;oh he left.
995335;1422429096;*;BingoBoingo remembers 796 being birthed around the Time MPOE options bot still ran and Ars technical dregged the bottom of the ocean to write on every Bitcoin options exchange except MPOE/MPEx
995336;1422429126;mircea_popescu;just aboot.
995337;1422429127;pete_dushenski;you should send ars a letter
995338;1422429157;mircea_popescu;nubbins`: you actually don't need any to have fun :D << this is how nubs got into silkscreening, too :D
995339;1422429160;pete_dushenski;"hey guise, i just noticed something funny and i know you're gonna laugh at this too"
995340;1422429184;BingoBoingo;pete_dushenski: I'll wait until Ars fires their second bullet at GAW at least.
995341;1422429214;pete_dushenski;if they make it that long
995342;1422429216;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform: actual musicians tell me that the head music is a mirage. << this is correct. much like "ideal woman" that one wouldn't actually suffer in practice.
995343;1422429218;pete_dushenski;why wait?
995344;1422429244;mircea_popescu;pete_dushenski pay them a visit, maybe. letter... just goes to recyclew.
995345;1422429272;pete_dushenski;there are creative ways to send letter to make sure they get read
995346;1422429284;pete_dushenski;taking down their front page and posting, for one
995347;1422429310;mircea_popescu;this proposes they're that important.
995348;1422429366;BingoBoingo;pete_dushenski> taking down their front page and posting, for one << Not my kind of mischeif
995349;1422429384;pete_dushenski;lol really not saying it is
995350;1422429398;pete_dushenski;either important or BingoBoingo's kind of mischief
995351;1422429412;pete_dushenski;The yuan overtook Canada’s dollar to rank fifth for use in global payments, bolstering the case for the International Monetary Fund to endorse it as a reserve currency.
995352;1422429427;pete_dushenski;^o no poor cad
995353;1422429427;mircea_popescu;afaik the chinese do not wish this.
995354;1422429438;pete_dushenski;because?
995355;1422429453;BingoBoingo;Now if sponsored I would happily take a crap on their front stoop. As Cartman offers, that is the best way to get an undesirable neighbor to leave.
995356;1422429479;mircea_popescu;well because they kinda like having the export and the local currencies separate.
995357;1422429488;pete_dushenski;BingoBoingo: pretty sure you can pay someone to do that with btc now
995358;1422429488;BingoBoingo;pete_dushenski: Because the Chicoms need to export, because employment and socialism.
995359;1422429499;mircea_popescu;like, imagine you were married to an idiot, but she got a special scrip you issued, no dollars.
995360;1422429503;BingoBoingo;pete_dushenski: Lacks the same satisfaction.
995361;1422429504;mircea_popescu;suddenly sustainable marriage.
995362;1422429557;pete_dushenski;sounds quite reasonable
995363;1422429578;mircea_popescu;moldysnizz: I've accepted my new identiy as the snizz < so get in the assbot wot then
995364;1422429581;pete_dushenski;why don't other countries pursue this? lack of domestic consumption?
995365;1422429588;mircea_popescu;lack of sufficient size.
995366;1422429609;mircea_popescu;the us is trying to hack something like this together, with a bevy of capital control laws.
995367;1422429667;BingoBoingo;pete_dushenski: Anyway the GAW story was one of the first cazalla used to propel qntra to relevance. Like in the BFL case Ars is going to have to accept they abided a thing until their declaration of scam was entirely irrelevant.
995368;1422429691;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo nah, they'll go right into the abyss claiming it never happened.
995369;1422429723;BingoBoingo;Maybe as the editorial line. Perhaps 3 can be saved from there.
995370;1422429734;mircea_popescu;maybe.
995371;1422429753;mircea_popescu;in any case, the fed didn't go "mp sunk gavin's idiocy and with that our last hope to subvert bitcoin"
995372;1422429762;mircea_popescu;instead, it went "something something something derp"
995373;1422429784;pete_dushenski;The People’s Bank of China will promote yuan internationalization in an orderly way this year, according to a Jan. 20 statement published on its website.  << just tawk then?
995374;1422429801;mircea_popescu;pete_dushenski ah no, just me being out of date.
995375;1422429818;mircea_popescu;apparently they are moving it into position to support the shanghai union.
995376;1422429837;pete_dushenski;shanghai union?
995377;1422429848;mircea_popescu;that could as well read "the pbc will promote orderly dismantling of the unioted states starting 2015"
995378;1422429856;pete_dushenski;lol
995379;1422429864;mircea_popescu;pete_dushenski yes, they created a thing with the russians and iran and india and everyone.
995380;1422429882;mircea_popescu;(except japan, korea etc)
995381;1422429883;pete_dushenski;o that thing, their baby-imf
995382;1422429891;pete_dushenski;south africa was in that too
995383;1422429891;mircea_popescu;yup.
995384;1422429896;mircea_popescu;yup
995385;1422429912;*;BingoBoingo misses the idea of Rhodesia
995386;1422429920;mircea_popescu;imo nz/au will be the worst hit.
995387;1422429934;mircea_popescu;mostly because japan's so thoroughly fucked.
995388;1422429962;pete_dushenski;huh interesting. but it seems like aus has plenty of opportunity to pivot to china
995389;1422429980;*;pete_dushenski doesn't know diddly about nz economy
995390;1422429984;mircea_popescu;nope, none whatsoever.
995391;1422429993;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 1146 @ 0.00105732 = 1.2117 BTC [-] {22} 
995392;1422429994;mircea_popescu;they're monolinguistic, and stuck i nthe wrong language.
995393;1422429999;BingoBoingo;AUS went to far firstest on the minimum wage thing
995394;1422430026;pete_dushenski;ya $19 or w/e is zany
995395;1422430045;pete_dushenski;mircea_popescu: the language is a good point
995396;1422430056;mircea_popescu;nz (and to a lesser degree aus) are choked by this monopoliust position on real estate
995397;1422430062;mircea_popescu;rents insanely high, developments burdensome.
995398;1422430107;pete_dushenski;sandstone isn't cheap to work with i gues
995399;1422430130;mircea_popescu;!up phillipsjk
995400;1422430132;BingoBoingo;US for its faults at least has faults. Can break into mircostates.
995401;1422430147;pete_dushenski;BingoBoingo: totally
995402;1422430171;mircea_popescu;!b 2
995403;1422430172;assbot;Last 2 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/3ARDS0D.txt )
995404;1422430173;pete_dushenski;and i love the quizzical look that people give me when i suggest precisely that
995405;1422430173;mircea_popescu;aptly put
995406;1422430204;pete_dushenski;phillipsjk: heya mr. coliseum
995407;1422430213;phillipsjk;OK, I have a 40GB packet capture ready if I get DDOS'ed.
995408;1422430215;BingoBoingo;I do though seriously mean mirco over micro. Very similar, just poverty makes the distance too much.
995409;1422430226;phillipsjk;Hi pete.
995410;1422430236;phillipsjk;..nothing yet.
995411;1422430267;BingoBoingo;phillipsjk: The hostile DDoS bot is nothing if not unreliable.
995412;1422430291;pete_dushenski;BingoBoingo: how is poverty dealt with differently in mircostates?
995413;1422430313;phillipsjk;Apparently they attacked my while I was sleeping last night :P
995414;1422430342;BingoBoingo;pete_dushenski: I lack a crystal ball, but when I say poverty makes the distance too much I mean people are walking their commutes.
995415;1422430364;mircea_popescu;"So it is inevitable that a deal will be struck by August 2, because that deal doesn't actually mean anything.  This a is husband and wife arguing about rebalancing the household budget, each pretending they aren't going to pay the electric until he's agreed to cut back on beer and she's agreed not to be such a bitch.  Whether they do it or not is irrelevant, the electric's still getting paid.  The electric always gets
995416;1422430364;mircea_popescu; paid, it has to, we need it for the chairs.
995417;1422430364;mircea_popescu;Not to mention that no politician wants to be remembered as the guy who made his constituency go unpaid.  Public choice theory will save you by August 2, even as it wrecks you all the other times.
995418;1422430365;mircea_popescu;So when you get the temporary reprieve tomorrow-- and it is temporary-- you should do whatever you have to to get off the dole; you are getting off of it anyway.
995419;1422430368;mircea_popescu;Because one of these days we won't be able to even make the minimum monthly payment, and, keeping to the household budget analogy, in those circumstances what happens isn't that the family goes bankrupt, what happens is that the couple gets divorced.  Pray on this."
995420;1422430372;mircea_popescu;ballas on teh same topic
995421;1422430383;pete_dushenski;BingoBoingo: oh so like europeans
995422;1422430413;BingoBoingo;pete_dushenski: No, like Lincoln. Europeans have places to stop inbetween the places they walk.
995423;1422430525;*;pete_dushenski digests
995424;1422430526;BingoBoingo;pete_dushenski: New Salem to Springfield. Multiple times a week.
995425;1422430625;mircea_popescu;decimation: re: glibc bug << was this an ulrich drepperism? << quite likely.
995426;1422430634;mircea_popescu;seems an excellent way to expose a tor server.
995427;1422430667;mircea_popescu;having the bug silently fixed put it in the best possible world : the people upstream done with it, the people downstream unlike to ever have it.
995428;1422430707;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform: roaches don't particularly care if you know that you have roaches. << then why do they take so much care to avoid the light ?
995429;1422430725;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9900 @ 0.00040395 = 3.9991 BTC [+]
995430;1422430760;BingoBoingo;pete_dushenski: Imma sleep now, but contemplate 20 miles. Just about as long as one can reasonably walk in a day on flat land. About as far as a group can reasonably defend as a border without submitting to a Kyriarch.
995431;1422430798;pete_dushenski;BingoBoingo: bon soir dude. nice writing today
995432;1422430813;BingoBoingo;"The New Salem Experience
995433;1422430813;BingoBoingo;Lincoln's New Salem State Historic Site, about 2 miles South of Petersburg and
995434;1422430813;BingoBoingo;about 20 miles Northwest of Springfield, is a reconstruction of the village where
995435;1422430813;BingoBoingo;Abraham Lincoln spent his early adulthood. The six years Lincoln spent in New
995436;1422430813;BingoBoingo;Salem formed a turning point in his career. Although he never owned a home here,
995437;1422430813;BingoBoingo;Lincoln was engaged in a variety of activities while he was at New Salem. He
995438;1422430815;BingoBoingo;clerked in a store, split rails, enlisted in the Black Hawk War, served as postmaster
995439;1422430817;BingoBoingo;and deputy surveyor, failed in business, and was elected to the Illinois General
995440;1422430819;BingoBoingo;Assembly in 1834 and 1836 after an unsuccessful try in 1832."
995441;1422430833;BingoBoingo;Lincoln, fucking hobo
995442;1422430856;BingoBoingo;Also prototype for the modern suburban commuter.
995443;1422430891;mircea_popescu;http://36.media.tumblr.com/343e8c4c5eac54cfd8ef70cc3a7eee7e/tumblr_movxtn87Vz1rmcr76o1_500.jpg have some booties.
995444;1422430893;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1yMtcN7 )
995445;1422430933;mircea_popescu;"But they still served the shit. Don't blame the mice when you find them in your kitchen. Place the person who invited the mice by spreading crumbs. If you have a platform and incorporate a third party element into it you are responsible for whatever harm that element brings.
995446;1422430934;mircea_popescu;In Bitcoin this responsibility is based not in law, but fact. LocalBitcoins chose to fart on their plates and some of their weaker customers who trusted them are now ill. It doesn't matter where what was served was contaminated, but that LocalBitcoins served poison. Yes the consumers ought to have known better, but in the future knowing better means escewing a venue that sells turds as sausages on the virtue of both be
995447;1422430934;mircea_popescu;ing cylinders."
995448;1422430937;mircea_popescu;dude this guy rocks. who's he ?
995449;1422430942;mircea_popescu;"ButterNubber"
995450;1422431049;mats;this sounds suspiciously like asciilifeform
995451;1422431066;mats;i think we may have a #b-a reader on our hands
995452;1422431076;mircea_popescu;i liked teh prose.
995453;1422431205;mircea_popescu;course eschew takes an extra h
995454;1422431244;mats;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-01-2015#986364
995455;1422431244;assbot;Logged on 21-01-2015 18:50:39; asciilifeform: turd is not a substitute for sausage, despite the topological similarities.
995456;1422431262;mircea_popescu;aham
995457;1422431274;mircea_popescu;and turd is a reasonably rare usage
995458;1422431379;mircea_popescu;!up cardigm
995459;1422431440;mats;nah, i browsed the post history. definitely a reader.
995460;1422431449;*;mircea_popescu waves
995461;1422431680;mircea_popescu;TheNewDeal:  anybody here play/have played poker at casinos frequently? << if you mean irl, and not the retarded usg run stuff, then yes. http://trilema.com/2010/high-society/
995462;1422431680;assbot;High society pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.  ... ( http://bit.ly/1yMu7gJ )
995463;1422431684;mircea_popescu;days b4 bitcoin.
995464;1422431786;pete_dushenski;same here, it so happens
995465;1422431794;pete_dushenski;spent most of undergrad at the card table
995466;1422431819;adlai;infantile as it is, sometimes fortune favors the bold, and scalpl does beautiful shit like http://i.imgur.com/2WBFwjy.png
995467;1422431820;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1yMuibY )
995468;1422431837;pete_dushenski;we even renamed our library, the cameron library, "the cameron casino" because that's pretty much all we did
995469;1422431842;pete_dushenski;about a dozen of us
995470;1422431857;pete_dushenski;one guy is on the pro tour now
995471;1422431859;mircea_popescu;adlai not readily obvious what your retarded semi tractor trailer theree is :D
995472;1422431864;mircea_popescu;did it mostly win on volatility ?
995473;1422431910;adlai;that is some winning on volatility, i'd even say that it nearly perfectly pwned that hour of trading... now let's get the other 23
995474;1422431979;mircea_popescu;you know most bots fail through over engineering.
995475;1422432034;adlai;s/ engineer/fitt/
995476;1422432090;adlai;which is why i'm not using any sort of support vector neural network kernelized perceptron mumbo jumbo
995477;1422432113;mircea_popescu;aha
995478;1422432214;adlai;"Overfitting generally occurs when a model is excessively complex" << my model currently consists of: the order book, the trades, my balance, my trades. can't get simpler than this, although that also means that any change gets closer to "excessively complex"
995479;1422432243;mircea_popescu;ahahaha "menimist"
995480;1422432243;mircea_popescu;lmao
995481;1422432304;mircea_popescu;http://www.mommyish.com/2014/11/11/menimist-twitter-hashtag/2/
995482;1422432306;assbot;If You're Participating In #MenimistTwitter, You're An Ass ... ( http://bit.ly/1yMv8oZ )
995483;1422432312;mircea_popescu;"i am on the internet and can't write out asshole"
995484;1422432403;mircea_popescu;incidentally, it's fucking unfortunate that the rabid imbeciles misidentifying themselves as "feminists" can't see the breastfeeding in public thing as anything but "war on porn".
995485;1422432455;mircea_popescu;i'm all in favour of both. "oh but mp, what if being useful only reinforces how we're really objects"
995486;1422432473;mircea_popescu;well... your fear of being an object has nothing to do with either breastfeeding, porn or the public.
995487;1422432492;mircea_popescu;it's the little guy in your head telling you you're an idiot. which you probably are. read and think more, hashtag less, it'll go away.
995488;1422432506;adlai;all self-identifying feminists whom i know irl have loud vocal problems with anybody who so much as looks at a woman breastfeeding in public
995489;1422432515;adlai;i guess they just don't take to twitter
995490;1422432533;mircea_popescu;are these feminists lactating ?
995491;1422432534;adlai;then again, seeing a twitter shitfest go down irl is much more amusing :D
995492;1422432575;adlai;the breastfeeder is not necessarily a feminist, although doing so in public might boost the base rate
995493;1422432595;mircea_popescu;so tell teh confused girle "mp says you're stupid, go suck a cock like you mean it"
995494;1422432699;adlai;how dare you call my mom stupid
995495;1422432724;pete_dushenski;!b 2
995496;1422432724;assbot;Last 2 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/008TDEK.txt )
995497;1422432751;pete_dushenski;i kinda hope adlai isn't even kidding
995498;1422432751;mircea_popescu;wait, your " all self-identifying feminists whom i know irl " == "my mom" ?!
995499;1422432805;adlai;let's examine the contrapositive: "a self-identifying feminist who is not my mom, will not be hung around long enough to guage her response to a publicly breastfeeding woman"
995500;1422432847;mircea_popescu;but you realise your jewish mother's reaction to your handling of exposed random tits
995501;1422432851;mircea_popescu;has jack shit to do with feminism.
995502;1422432910;adlai;empowerment! equality!
995503;1422432921;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19900 @ 0.00042042 = 8.3664 BTC [+]
995504;1422432952;mircea_popescu;amnyway, you should make a point of sexually challenging your mother. keeps her young.
995505;1422433032;pete_dushenski;https://twitter.com/pete_dushenski/status/560333010491277312
995506;1422433034;assbot;65% of people use the same password everywhere http://t.co/T0ZnMzEUzR
995507;1422433050;pete_dushenski;^ "Sorta hard to call them "people" then isn't it? "
995508;1422433054;*;adlai has no comeback, goes back to emacs
995509;1422433226;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20650 @ 0.00040567 = 8.3771 BTC [-]
995510;1422433531;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 44035 @ 0.00042392 = 18.6673 BTC [+] {2} 
995511;1422434375;mircea_popescu;https://archive.org/stream/processofgovernm00bent/processofgovernm00bent_djvu.txt
995512;1422434380;assbot;Full text of "The process of government; a study of social pressures" ... ( http://bit.ly/1D8jnZu )
995513;1422434380;mircea_popescu;not a bad readd
995514;1422434385;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 38315 @ 0.00043703 = 16.7448 BTC [+]
995515;1422434487;mircea_popescu;"But that book was written in 1908.  Based on what I've seen on Downton Abbey, things were a lot different then."
995516;1422434487;mircea_popescu;Well, yes, obviously, there had just been a massive leap forward in technology and industrialization, a booming economy fueling a wealth gap, temporarily course corrected by a financial panic "precipitated" by the failure of two overspeculating brokerage houses.  There were also, simultaneously, great advances in progressive causes like worker's rights and food quality, all on the background of decreasing importance of
995517;1422434487;mircea_popescu; religion among educated whites in favor of science. Not physics or chemistry, but evolution.  Tabloids were incomprehensibly popular,  partisan media the norm. A loosening of conventional morality manifested as bored promiscuity, female bisexuality, and a flood of new porn the likes of which never existed before.
995518;1422434490;mircea_popescu;"That does sound different.  And awesome.  What did their Millennial kids inherit, what did they experience over their adult lives, say 1929-1945?"
995519;1422434493;mircea_popescu;I totally don't know, Boardwalk Empire only goes up to 1924 and Mad Men starts 1960.
995520;1422434495;mircea_popescu;best write-up of a book ever, too
995521;1422434581;mircea_popescu;The "independent" demo actually has all the textbook characteristics of a group most susceptible to propaganda, more correctly "pre-propaganda", and by textbook I mean literally Propaganda.
995522;1422434581;mircea_popescu;They consider themselves leaderless.  They can have representatives, they can have "evangelists" but they have to believe that their conclusions are all their own, through individual reflection and objective consideration.  Interestingly, and on purpose, they believe their brains can handle such an analysis, any analysis. This isn't arrogance.  They are told, by universities and the media, that their mind is prepared t
995523;1422434581;mircea_popescu;o do this heavy lifting as long as they are given just the right facts, filtered from the "noise."  "Where can we get the right facts, in a world of liars?"  Good question, maybe the news?
995524;1422434608;mircea_popescu;even better : call structured societies that are immune to both the media and the issues it brings "cults" and go back to the charade!
995525;1422434646;mats;http://techcrunch.com/2015/01/27/apple-just-had-the-biggest-quarterly-earnings-of-any-company-ever/
995526;1422434647;assbot;Apple Just Had The Most Profitable Quarter Of Any Company Ever  |  TechCrunch ... ( http://bit.ly/1D8kBnu )
995527;1422434663;mircea_popescu;Commonly, independents have a single personal issue, say gun rights or abortion, but no personal experience with other issues, and lacking any subjective starting point, they therefore believe that ONLY objectivity will give them the truth. The less life experience they have the better; the less they've seen of the world, the fewer people they've argued with (in person, where it is real and has real consequences like p
995528;1422434663;mircea_popescu;unches), the less frequently their water balloon worldview is tested by people with pins, the more they will cling to the premise that "facts" are what's important.  In this way the one personal issue serves as a reference point which the propaganda exploits: "hey, gun advocates, did you know you like low corporate taxes?"  I do?  "Yes, because the people you hate are for raising them."  Consequently, raising corporate
995529;1422434663;mircea_popescu; taxes is felt like an attack on the Second Amendment. "Liberals!  Taking away our rights!"
995530;1422434702;mircea_popescu;mats i might have to resurect my trading accounts just for this.
995531;1422434748;pete_dushenski;short all the techs!
995532;1422435087;mircea_popescu;later!
995533;1422435544;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 45294 @ 0.00041105 = 18.6181 BTC [-]
995534;1422435549;mats;i learned not to short heirs to the bezzlar throne some time ago
995535;1422435585;mats;there i was, thinking TSLA was seriously overvalued at 95 bux a share
995536;1422435922;pete_dushenski;ouch
995537;1422435973;pete_dushenski;Oleg Andreev: i thought people reuse passwords because bright and capable engineers haven't come up with a better way yet.
995538;1422436167;pete_dushenski;me: Let's see, there are password managers for the tech-savvy and pieces of paper for the less tech-savvy. An engineer is me!
995539;1422436184;pete_dushenski;to say nothing of, y'know, memories
995540;1422436212;pete_dushenski;"engineers should give us better memories!"
995541;1422436221;pete_dushenski;actually, that would explain the nootropic fad
995542;1422436459;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4500 @ 0.00040567 = 1.8255 BTC [-]
995543;1422436825;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31950 @ 0.00039711 = 12.6877 BTC [-] {2} 
995544;1422438177;pete_dushenski;!up Vexual
995545;1422438187;pete_dushenski;http://www.contravex.com/2015/01/28/the-inalienable-rights-railroad/
995546;1422438189;assbot;The inalienable rights railroad. | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski ... ( http://bit.ly/1yMEr8m )
995547;1422438205;pete_dushenski;and with that, i bid adieu!
995548;1422438721;Vexual;i do ;ike a train
995549;1422438739;Vexual;barrelling on thru the night
995550;1422438805;Vexual;largely unstoppable
995551;1422438868;fluffypony;quite
995552;1422438893;Vexual;standard
995553;1422438923;Vexual;we had australia day recently
995554;1422439024;Vexual;you're supposed to drink beer
995555;1422439034;Vexual;fuck that
995556;1422439149;Vexual;I thought about Israel
995557;1422439444;Vexual;same sorta buhala
995558;1422439558;Vexual;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1l0xpkk0yaQ
995559;1422439953;Vexual;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kK_eQImKnPA
995560;1422440265;adlai;mats: the key is to remember that the market's average returns will always increase when priced in a well-inflated bezzlar
995561;1422441034;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 85450 @ 0.00039116 = 33.4246 BTC [-]
995562;1422441217;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22693 @ 0.0003893 = 8.8344 BTC [-] {2} 
995563;1422441437;punkman;!up Vexual
995564;1422441522;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6900 @ 0.00038155 = 2.6327 BTC [-]
995565;1422441673;Vexual;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M0pWejAnLUQ
995566;1422441981;punkman;what'd you do for australiaday Vexual
995567;1422442029;Vexual;i tried to remeber that name of that usefull leightweight bitcoin client
995568;1422442047;Vexual;yjrn i hit it with a hammer
995569;1422442071;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34000 @ 0.00039246 = 13.3436 BTC [+] {2} 
995570;1422442086;Vexual;i had a gew whiskeys after noon
995571;1422442153;Vexual;i dont suppose you have a holiday for greeks invading greece?
995572;1422442193;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 95900 @ 0.00039957 = 38.3188 BTC [+] {3} 
995573;1422442207;Vexual;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-cXrEPNvRO8
995574;1422442265;punkman;http://www.cretapost.gr/wp-content/uploads/2015/01/236478.jpg << there was a bit of dancing
995575;1422442267;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1EpLbN0 )
995576;1422442312;Vexual;corfu?
995577;1422442441;Vexual;big tree island?
995578;1422442517;Vexual;ugg boots is holding a blunt
995579;1422442627;Vexual;if you've been watching black sails, season two starts to describe captain flint ant the snivelling john silver
995580;1422442665;punkman;check out the square from diff view http://www.skoutelis-zanon.gr/files/items/4/4/plateia1.jpg
995581;1422442666;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1zaCnpF )
995582;1422442698;punkman;those metal sticks will come in useful for the hangings
995583;1422442701;Vexual;looks hot, where is this?
995584;1422442846;Vexual;punkman school of architecture
995585;1422443022;Vexual;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4u6DcnNuIPw
995586;1422443474;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33043 @ 0.00041002 = 13.5483 BTC [+]
995587;1422445059;punkman;!up Vexual
995588;1422445092;Apocalyptic;for those interested in Bridgewater: http://nymag.com/news/business/wallstreet/ray-dalio-2011-4/
995589;1422445093;assbot;The Billion-Dollar Aphorisms of Hedge Fund Cult Leader Ray Dalio -- New York Magazine ... ( http://bit.ly/1Bx2rwf )
995590;1422445142;Vexual;cool handel
995591;1422445226;jurov;"rocket-grade helium"
995592;1422445238;Vexual;its a thing
995593;1422445397;Vexual;back blocks
995594;1422445633;Vexual;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i3Jv9fNPjgk here have a snow stoen that never happemmef
995595;1422445791;jurov;obamastorm
995596;1422445920;Vexual;uwotnow?
995597;1422445976;Vexual;http://vimeo.com/61721081
995598;1422446578;Vexual;!google death proof lap dance
995599;1422446604;Vexual;!!google death proof lap dance
995600;1422446671;Vexual;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FiMgtTqKNTc
995601;1422446796;Vexual;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6-T_F9y6d-o
995602;1422446801;punkman;https://www.okcoin.com/t-155.html
995603;1422446804;assbot;OKCoin´s Clawback Update - OKCoin美元交易站 - 最专业的比特币美元交易平台 ... ( http://bit.ly/1Bx6b0H )
995604;1422446925;punkman;https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B8bgx2BCcAI7wIA.jpg
995605;1422446926;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1zXj4mI )
995606;1422447056;punkman;https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B8Xzd8dCMAAK-ZJ.png
995607;1422447057;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1zXjsBz )
995608;1422447074;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31551 @ 0.00039396 = 12.4298 BTC [-]
995609;1422447279;punkman;http://www.realfarmacy.com/blamed-for-bee-collapse-monsanto-buys-leading-bee-research-firm/
995610;1422447281;assbot;Blamed for Bee Collapse, Monsanto Buys Leading Bee Research FirmREALfarmacy.com | Healthy News and Information ... ( http://bit.ly/1Bx7fS9 )
995611;1422447744;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 41500 @ 0.00040179 = 16.6743 BTC [+] {3} 
995612;1422447988;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27106 @ 0.0004116 = 11.1568 BTC [+] {2} 
995613;1422448781;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 38255 @ 0.00041254 = 15.7817 BTC [+]
995614;1422448795;nubbins`;mircea_popescu:nubbins`: you actually don't need any to have fun :D << this is how nubs got into silkscreening, too :D <<< this is actually how i got into most things
995615;1422448827;nubbins`;"but i don't know electronics" "who cares? here are some jumer cables and a bunch of toys with voice chips"
995616;1422448833;nubbins`;*jumper
995617;1422448872;nubbins`;"but i don't know how to smoke"  "well, i bet you can suck a smokey milkshake through a marijuana straw!"
995618;1422448873;nubbins`;etc
995619;1422448949;nubbins`;mircea_popescu:asciilifeform: actual musicians tell me that the head music is a mirage. << this is correct. much like "ideal woman" that one wouldn't actually suffer in practice. <<< afaik "ideal woman" for most men is a robot with a pussy
995620;1422448964;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34195 @ 0.00042096 = 14.3947 BTC [+]
995621;1422449029;nubbins`;pete_dushenski:why don't other countries pursue this? lack of domestic consumption? <<< becoming the world's largest economy is usually a thing that happens with some level of reluctance, like when it happened with the usa, and later when it happened with china
995622;1422449416;nubbins`;!up Vexual
995623;1422449877;Vexual;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CKuiI4OB8W0
995624;1422449949;nubbins`;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b_Ww3Ajhr74&feature=youtu.be
995625;1422449950;assbot;Eyes Wide Shut is a plank - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1wAEWNi )
995626;1422449962;nubbins`;^ forum tards resorting to producing videos to verify their physical locations
995627;1422449975;nubbins`;"no way are you in vietnam"  "WELL FUCK YOU HERES A VIDEO"
995628;1422450246;Vexual;ive still got noodles in my beard
995629;1422450781;Vexual;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pOzdE5OTeVQ
995630;1422451445;jurov;mod6 asciilifeform your emails were rejected.
995631;1422451455;jurov;asciilifeform: your key expired
995632;1422451480;nubbins`;:o
995633;1422451486;*;nubbins` guffaws
995634;1422451509;nubbins`;;:rate alf -1 total noob
995635;1422451578;jurov;mod6: you did not include clearsigned text. but i consider this a bug,it should allow for text + detached sig only
995636;1422451648;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21600 @ 0.0004301 = 9.2902 BTC [+]
995637;1422451831;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22589 @ 0.00042268 = 9.5479 BTC [-]
995638;1422451845;jurov;mhm apparently asciilifeform prolonged in december
995639;1422451915;jurov;gotta referesh my db
995640;1422451921;jurov;he's always the first one to stumble on problems in my shit
995641;1422452190;nubbins`;heh
995642;1422452929;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23100 @ 0.00039191 = 9.0531 BTC [-] {2} 
995643;1422452990;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 51800 @ 0.00040548 = 21.0039 BTC [+] {2} 
995644;1422453109;nubbins`;dat mpoe bot
995645;1422453170;adlai;wut mpoe bot
995646;1422453211;nubbins`;wut
995647;1422453237;nubbins`;sorry, "dem trades executed by humans" o.O
995648;1422453237;adlai;wut
995649;1422453260;adlai;wait you mean subhuman nonpersons are allowed to trade on mpex!?
995650;1422454265;nubbins`;!up diana_coman
995651;1422454287;diana_coman;thanks nubbins`
995652;1422454351;jurov;hi diana_coman, you know about the ddos bot? your ip flashed here when you looged in
995653;1422454428;diana_coman;hi jurov, did it? I had set up the cloak stuff, but possibly it fails to put it on before joining the channel in some situations (such as recovering from a connection drop), hmmm
995654;1422454437;diana_coman;thanks for pointing it out, I'll check that
995655;1422454459;nubbins`;np
995656;1422454478;jurov;adlai: i can admit mpex interface having some elements of turing test
995657;1422454483;nubbins`;diana_coman i had the same issue, just had my password in the wrong box in my client
995658;1422454496;jurov;but "not allowed" is too strong
995659;1422454516;nubbins`;server password instead of "identity password" in textual FWIW
995660;1422454528;adlai;nickserv instead of sasl ftl
995661;1422454535;nubbins`;unrelated, i just discovered a large marijuana cigarette in a seldom-used inside pocket of my winter jacket
995662;1422454547;diana_coman;ah, that might be it, thanks nubbins`
995663;1422454559;nubbins`;quit & rejoin to test :D
995664;1422454563;jurov;weed solves errything
995665;1422454566;jurov;:D
995666;1422454574;nubbins`;jurov not everything but it sure does take the edge off XD
995667;1422454583;diana_coman;will do :)
995668;1422454589;nubbins`;"man, i don't care if this shit is solved or not!"
995669;1422454658;nubbins`;[10:47:25]  diana_coman (~diana_com@unaffiliated/diana-coman/x-8319396) joined the channel.
995670;1422454667;nubbins`;!up diana_coman
995671;1422454670;nubbins`;congrats
995672;1422454721;diana_coman;thanks nubbins` it wasn't that though
995673;1422454727;diana_coman;the pass was in the right box
995674;1422454732;nubbins`;o
995675;1422454754;nubbins`;unrelated: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RPM_Challenge
995676;1422454755;assbot;RPM Challenge - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ... ( http://bit.ly/1y54svN )
995677;1422454759;nubbins`;anyone participating this year?
995678;1422454775;punkman;using SASL should work for leaky cloaks
995679;1422454779;nubbins`;maybe vexual can get a didgeridoo / koala-ribcage-xylophone setup on the go
995680;1422455000;nubbins`;we did two last year
995681;1422455001;nubbins`;http://music.cbc.ca/#!/artists/Dick-Surgery
995682;1422455002;assbot;CBC Music ... ( http://bit.ly/1y55rMA )
995683;1422455006;nubbins`;http://music.cbc.ca/#!/artists/Atelier-Bleu
995684;1422455008;assbot;CBC Music ... ( http://bit.ly/1y55sjz )
995685;1422455034;nubbins`;AB is probably the more accessible of the two
995686;1422455187;nubbins`;(for some definition of the word)
995687;1422455369;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4052 @ 0.00041357 = 1.6758 BTC [+] {2} 
995688;1422455430;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16998 @ 0.00044081 = 7.4929 BTC [+] {2} 
995689;1422455898;adlai;nubbins`: http://ottsonic.fanbridge.com/fan_questions/q/1090838/
995690;1422455899;assbot;Ott - Fan Question: Do you currently smoke weed? And how often? ... ( http://bit.ly/1y58y7o )
995691;1422455978;adlai;the nerve of this one!: "i can't come to tel aviv for personal reasons, so please meet me in <shithole> and bring cash" at least they're offering a discount but comeon.
995692;1422456803;nubbins`;heh
995693;1422457646;thestringpuller;!ticker m s.mpoe
995694;1422457646;assbot;[MPEX:S.MPOE] 1D: 0.00030001 / 0.00038826 / 0.00048081 (1657321 shares, 643.49 BTC), 7D: 0.00030001 / 0.00046574 / 0.00053193 (6351244 shares, 2,958.05 BTC), 30D: 0.00030001 / 0.00053638 / 0.00068113 (36507342 shares, 19,582.03 BTC)
995695;1422457652;thestringpuller;!last m s.mpoe
995696;1422457652;assbot;Last trade for S.MPOE on MPEX was at 0.00044081 BTC [+]
995697;1422457670;thestringpuller;the war chests are filling
995698;1422457674;thestringpuller;my god
995699;1422457680;thestringpuller;GOOD GOD YA'LL
995700;1422457798;nubbins`;!search war chests
995701;1422457799;assbot;7 results for 'war chests' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=war+chests
995702;1422457844;nubbins`;war chest or shire sauce
995703;1422458236;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 64300 @ 0.000412 = 26.4916 BTC [-] {2} 
995704;1422458311;adlai;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=28-01-2015#995664 << even coinbr api?
995705;1422458311;assbot;Logged on 28-01-2015 14:16:03; jurov: weed solves errything
995706;1422458936;thestringpuller;i never new jurov smoked
995707;1422458938;thestringpuller;awesome :D
995708;1422459822;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18269 @ 0.00041637 = 7.6067 BTC [+]
995709;1422459935;mats;5:17:44 <+adlai> mats: the key is to remember that the market's average returns will always increase when priced in a well-inflated bezzlar << uh, ok
995710;1422459984;adlai;to learn of the echo chamber, you must become the echo chamber.
995711;1422460127;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 47646 @ 0.00041637 = 19.8384 BTC [+]
995712;1422460871;punkman;"so 2013 glibc fixed a bug, 2014 google found+fixed the same bug https://code.google.com/p/chromium/issues/detail?id=364511 … and 2015 qualys found it again.."
995713;1422460872;assbot;Error 404 (Not Found)!!1 ... ( http://bit.ly/1yNuCXQ )
995714;1422460910;mod6;<+jurov> mod6: you did not include clearsigned text. but i consider this a bug,it should allow for text + detached sig only << ah, ok.
995715;1422460949;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu, mod6, jurov, ben_vulpes: blockheight 6391 oomkill (and died. forgot to run the loop variant that day)
995716;1422461054;mod6;no clue. when i ran it on my vm with 128mb of ram, it flew and ran for 12-14 hours before it blew up
995717;1422461092;asciilifeform;set it up with the loop now.
995718;1422461098;asciilifeform;will let it run.
995719;1422461189;asciilifeform;might actually make sense to bake in some perverse replacement memory allocator into this thing
995720;1422461194;asciilifeform;for hard constraint
995721;1422461215;asciilifeform;let it exit cleanly rather than waltzing over the db when killed by kernel
995722;1422461233;asciilifeform;better would be to plug the leaks.
995723;1422461429;asciilifeform;mod6: how many blocks yours loaded before death ?
995724;1422461662;mod6;err.. lemme see.
995725;1422461760;mod6;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=23-01-2015#989403
995726;1422461760;assbot;Logged on 23-01-2015 19:34:00; mod6: it easily lasted 12-14 hours. made it up to height=136572
995727;1422461957;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21083 @ 0.00043805 = 9.2354 BTC [+]
995728;1422462018;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6054 @ 0.0004339 = 2.6268 BTC [-]
995729;1422462041;asciilifeform;running it on 'sandisk' 60gB ssd now.
995730;1422462048;asciilifeform;about 15x faster.
995731;1422462090;asciilifeform;no, 35.
995732;1422462288;asciilifeform;16000 & counting
995733;1422463108;nubbins`;ooo
995734;1422463121;nubbins`;n
995735;1422463125;nubbins`;...b
995736;1422463148;danielpbarron;asciilifeform, what kind of drive can plug into the pogo? anything that's 2.5 inch sata?   or is there a way to use larger drives with a cable?
995737;1422463482;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 67659 @ 0.00043049 = 29.1265 BTC [-] {5} 
995738;1422463521;TomServo;danielpbarron: I'm guessing you'd need to provide your own power for a 3.5", but don't see why that wouldn't work.
995739;1422463625;BingoBoingo;<mircea_popescu> dude this guy rocks. who's he ? << Maybe a splinter fraction of redditards is finally reading logs
995740;1422463787;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 200 @ 0.005701 = 1.1402 BTC [-] {3} 
995741;1422464753;BingoBoingo;http://www.theregister.co.uk/2015/01/27/trivial_hole_left_black_phones_open_to_plunder/
995742;1422464754;assbot;'Super-secure' BlackPhone pwned by super-silly txt msg bug • The Register     ... ( http://bit.ly/1Cz56GY )
995743;1422464765;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26400 @ 0.00045914 = 12.1213 BTC [+] {2} 
995744;1422464842;adlai;inb4 orangephone
995745;1422465135;asciilifeform;danielpbarron: 2.5" sata
995746;1422465144;asciilifeform;or usb3 into rear jacks
995747;1422465173;asciilifeform;104893 blox
995748;1422465309;punkman;"In response to the drone crash at the White House this week, the Chinese maker of the device that crashed said it is updating its drones to disable them from flying over much of Washington, D.C."
995749;1422465335;TomServo;heh, "No-fly firmware"
995750;1422465617;punkman;more on the same theme http://www.npr.org/blogs/thetwo-way/2015/01/28/382013185/officers-ask-map-app-to-remove-police-tracking
995751;1422465619;assbot;Officers Ask Map App To Remove Police-Tracking  : The Two-Way : NPR ... ( http://bit.ly/1Cz7GwN )
995752;1422465668;danielpbarron;hah, i love that app
995753;1422465861;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 1691 @ 0.00102669 = 1.7361 BTC [-] {15} 
995754;1422465914;adlai;vehakol betotzeret haaretz!
995755;1422465938;punkman;http://www.flyingmag.com/technique/accidents/greek-f-16-crash-kills-11-during-nato-exercise
995756;1422465939;assbot;Greek F-16 Crash Kills 11 During NATO Exercise | Flying Magazine ... ( http://bit.ly/1Cz8zoW )
995757;1422466019;adlai;well that's shitty.
995758;1422466035;adlai;F-16s are supposed to kill hundreds during NATO operations, not dozens in exercises
995759;1422466680;danielpbarron;!gettrust NxtChg
995760;1422466680;assbot;NxtChg is not registered in WoT.
995761;1422466702;hanbot;BingoBoingo actually it's rather suspect, there being only the one extant link of that bitcoin magazine drama left @ tardstalk.
995762;1422466738;BingoBoingo;hanbot: Kind of what I was thinking. There just doesn't seem to be much left of it.
995763;1422467386;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 1101 @ 0.00104599 = 1.1516 BTC [+] {3} 
995764;1422467691;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17500 @ 0.00041531 = 7.2679 BTC [-]
995765;1422469063;ben_vulpes;<asciilifeform> [] a deterministic builder of statically linked 0.5.3.xxxxx. for arbitrary cross-compiler. and ran. and turd runs on pogo. << f yeah. share?
995766;1422469074;*;ben_vulpes may have to declare log bankruptcy, and it's only wednesday!
995767;1422469470;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: share? << see last night's thread: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=28-01-2015#994978
995768;1422469470;assbot;Logged on 28-01-2015 05:37:52; asciilifeform: http://loper-os.org/pub/ifuckinghatethis.tgz
995769;1422469774;ben_vulpes;haw
995770;1422469826;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4271 @ 0.00043249 = 1.8472 BTC [+]
995771;1422470192;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30951 @ 0.00043249 = 13.386 BTC [+]
995772;1422470274;asciilifeform;'blackphone' >> :
995773;1422470284;asciilifeform;!s zimmerman
995774;1422470285;assbot;20 results for 'zimmerman' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=zimmerman
995775;1422470344;asciilifeform;but of course, this place doesn't officially exist, 'no one could have guessed' that z was lowered into pederasty and made usg stooge, etc. never happened because not in 'forbes.'
995776;1422470806;BingoBoingo;;;ticker --market all
995777;1422470819;gribble;Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 244.19, vol: 16928.15134187 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 235.699, vol: 12475.48887 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 242.3, vol: 44508.56374097 | CampBX BTCUSD last: 262.0, vol: 9.37144747 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 242.8717, vol: 171698.44510000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 255.02223, vol: 70.23057819 | Bitcoin-Central BTCUSD last: 249.502, vol: 107.03334957 | Volume-weighted last average: (1 more message)
995778;1422470896;mircea_popescu;bash: syntax error near unexpected token `('
995779;1422470902;mircea_popescu;innit weird it uses two types of quotes ?!
995780;1422470944;mircea_popescu;guy walks into a bank : "hold it motherstickers! this is a fuckup!!!!!"
995781;1422470949;asciilifeform;where? in my turd ?
995782;1422470956;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform no my bash
995783;1422471202;TomServo;Update from your friendly waterfall wallet watcher: Remaining balance currently @ 10,295.86675525 BTC after another ~2900 left yesterday.
995784;1422471212;TomServo;Address is also displaying this odd message:
995785;1422471218;TomServo;Public Note: Good afternoon! Your help is necessary. My wife has a problem with health, treatment is necessary (we expect a baby). If you have some unnecessary btc or satosh, please, help, we will rejoice any help.
995786;1422471271;mike_c;TomServo: what's the address again?
995787;1422471294;TomServo;mike_c: 36PrZ1KHYMpqSyAQXSG8VwbUiq2EogxLo2 - I believe.
995788;1422471346;mike_c;yeah, that was it.  thanks.
995789;1422471374;trinque;Apocalyptic | trinque, by the way how's deedbot coming along ? << I have been tied up with work the past few days, but not much more to be done. a tweak on the hashing bit to re-hash when an invalid privkey is generated, then the check-confirmations-and-upload cron job.
995790;1422471393;trinque;I should be wrapped up with irl work earlier today than usual so I think I have some cycles to throw at it.
995791;1422471627;asciilifeform;130080
995792;1422471806;mircea_popescu;nice!
995793;1422471843;mike_c;snsa going to sell the node in a box?
995794;1422471854;mike_c;that would be cool
995795;1422471906;mod6;ascii: good deal!
995796;1422472111;nubbins`;would buy
995797;1422472114;mircea_popescu;mike_c giveaway more like it.
995798;1422472128;nubbins`;slap some thebitcoin.foundation branding on it
995799;1422472145;mircea_popescu;nubbins` you can make stickers. design some :D
995800;1422472150;mike_c;the foundation can buy them from snsa and give them away if it wants :)
995801;1422472170;nubbins`;once i get dimensions & info i'll design packaging, instructions, whole deal
995802;1422472195;TomServo;I wonder, would there be any interest in developing a companion to the junior woodchuck node?
995803;1422472204;TomServo;Something along the lines of a freenas build that includes a fullnode, gossipd server, ntp server, #b-a-wot-curated datahaven, or whatever else sounds useful.
995804;1422472275;mircea_popescu;TomServo might be. but ntp sucks and gossipd don't exist yet.
995805;1422472277;mircea_popescu;!up berndj
995806;1422472280;nubbins`;straight up, do this properly & foundation could significantly fill its coffers
995807;1422472302;mircea_popescu;nubbins` what'd you charge to package an' distribute ?
995808;1422472307;nubbins`;look at how people foamed over USB asic chips with no roi
995809;1422472352;nubbins`;prob would not distribute
995810;1422472363;nubbins`;still have a box full of NSA shirts taking up space as it is 8)
995811;1422472404;nubbins`;packaging, w/e you feel like spending. standard rates &c. probably a ways off still
995812;1422472410;nubbins`;but something rustic yet simple
995813;1422472427;nubbins`;https://cdn2.vox-cdn.com/uploads/chorus_asset/file/3327644/DSC03048.0.jpg
995814;1422472429;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1CzsnJ1 )
995815;1422472429;nubbins`;^
995816;1422472450;mircea_popescu;way i was planning to do this was an equivalent of "show me your tits", ie, buy a router, install it, show proof, get your money back.
995817;1422472455;mircea_popescu;cheaper, faster and imo more effective.
995818;1422472474;nubbins`;so like a "$50 with $50 irc-in rebate"
995819;1422472477;mircea_popescu;yup
995820;1422472482;nubbins`;nb.
995821;1422472492;nubbins`;most people would not take the 50 back
995822;1422472498;mircea_popescu;entirely up to them.
995823;1422472500;nubbins`;nod
995824;1422472525;nubbins`;could even use blockchain-based proof
995825;1422472527;mircea_popescu;but w/e, if you were going to get yourserlf one, get yourself three, give to your gf and your mother, get rebate for the two
995826;1422472565;nubbins`;unit creates a tx unique to itself, pushes to bc as proof of it firing up
995827;1422472574;mircea_popescu;anywya, danielpbarron is working on a full length  noob guide, online cheaper than on paper
995828;1422472582;mircea_popescu;i dunno unit can create txn
995829;1422472593;nubbins`;daemon monitors addresses of distributed units, disburses funds in the form of btc when a unit goes live
995830;1422472613;asciilifeform;no rng in these machines. literally none.
995831;1422472618;nubbins`;bake a private key and 0.0001 btc into it.
995832;1422472650;asciilifeform;can embed canned entropy in the eeprom but obvious caveats.
995833;1422472655;nubbins`;no doubt
995834;1422472665;nubbins`;but for the purposes of this -- a pre-loaded one-time-use address
995835;1422472680;nubbins`;generate offline, w/e
995836;1422472703;nubbins`;bit more manageable than making people take pictures, upload to imgur, etc etc
995837;1422472704;mircea_popescu;not so crazy about the privacy implications.
995838;1422472733;nubbins`;privacy implications in photographing the inside of your home?
995839;1422472751;nubbins`;i guess we could include instructions on stripping exif data ;p
995840;1422472754;mircea_popescu;that's inconsequential.
995841;1422472783;mircea_popescu;understand : naked cunt on the internet, no big deal. your ad tracking cookie in browser ? huge deal.
995842;1422472831;*;nubbins` gestures helplessly
995843;1422472832;nubbins`;what
995844;1422473004;asciilifeform;oomkill/restart cycler works as it ought to.
995845;1422473016;mircea_popescu;nubbins` ayup.
995846;1422473028;asciilifeform;(it's simply a 3-line sh)
995847;1422473029;mircea_popescu;cunts are made to be seen. browsers are made to not be identified.
995848;1422473074;nubbins`;sending coin is a no-no because it identifies the IP as running a node?
995849;1422473106;asciilifeform;ip is already screaming 'node!!!' into the night
995850;1422473114;nubbins`;^
995851;1422473122;mats;http://www.black-swift.ru/
995852;1422473123;assbot;Black Swift - Black Swift ... ( http://bit.ly/1By4jEZ )
995853;1422473123;nubbins`;this is why i'm having trouble making the leap
995854;1422473151;asciilifeform;but if you wanted to have any 'wallet' functionality, the thing would have to take rpc commands or equivalent on the lan, but more direly, would need either rng or an embedded one-time pad
995855;1422473178;nubbins`;you could actually construct the entire transaction before loading it onto the device
995856;1422473190;nubbins`;and just store the tx
995857;1422473193;mircea_popescu;mebbe i misunderstand what's being proposed here /
995858;1422473213;mircea_popescu;nubbins` if whoever buys a unit installs whatever code he wants on it, he can use any address he pleases.
995859;1422473223;mircea_popescu;!up bitcoin-market68
995860;1422473225;asciilifeform;some idiot will buy, redeem the reward, and turn in for scrap
995861;1422473248;nubbins`;some number of idiots will do this no matter what
995862;1422473255;mircea_popescu;i somehow doubt it, but anyway.
995863;1422473257;nubbins`;some will produce a photo of their running unit, then scrap it
995864;1422473260;nubbins`;etc etc
995865;1422473277;nubbins`;but giving money to people who pop on irc and provide photos of their gear is retarded
995866;1422473280;nubbins`;actually retarded
995867;1422473303;nubbins`;however, generating a bunch of signed transactions and loading a single one onto each unit, which the eventual owner may spend or discard as he sees fit...
995868;1422473310;asciilifeform;i for one do not have an earth-shatteringly clever answer to the conundrum of how to persuade maxint people to buy & plug these in
995869;1422473333;mircea_popescu;nubbins` but this is an "owner orders unit and loads the code"
995870;1422473337;nubbins`;you can't persuade people to do something long-term if they don't see a long-term benefit, period.
995871;1422473348;nubbins`;those who want to keep running their nodes will. those who don't will cash out (or not!) and stop.
995872;1422473359;mircea_popescu;the long term benefit is a "just keep it powered and you are providing one full node"
995873;1422473382;asciilifeform;for the motherland (tm)
995874;1422473391;nubbins`;mircea_popescu: okay, then i'm talking about "nubbins orders 10k units, pre-loads the code, does what he just described, makes $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$, donates 10% to .foundation, moves to dutch antilles"
995875;1422473393;trinque;are there any services a derpuser might be able to use within his own network if he has a full node?
995876;1422473398;trinque;the filesharing thing has always appealed to me
995877;1422473405;trinque;some bitcoin-telegraph for torrents thing
995878;1422473406;asciilifeform;conjecture is that there is a set of folks who want to do this, but aren't now because 'i haven't a second pc' or 'fan too loud' ?
995879;1422473408;mircea_popescu;nubbins` how do you pay for 10k units ?
995880;1422473423;nubbins`;i'm rich, why the fuck do you think i can sit around here all day?
995881;1422473424;mircea_popescu;trinque for one thing, you can use it as a proxy for your actual bitcoind
995882;1422473425;mircea_popescu;much safer.
995883;1422473439;mircea_popescu;nubbins` so then move to the antiles ?
995884;1422473455;nubbins`;gross, too hot
995885;1422473463;mircea_popescu;!up phillipsjk
995886;1422473468;trinque;mircea_popescu: yep that's a good thing
995887;1422473471;nubbins`;anyway, consider the quantity suitably modified
995888;1422473488;nubbins`;i wholeheartedly encourage you to ship the devices as you see fit
995889;1422473492;mircea_popescu;nubbins` you know, schemes to grow rich off rebate deals are kinda kramer-esque
995890;1422473501;mircea_popescu;im not shipping anything
995891;1422473511;nubbins`;and also toss out the fact that a "ready to go" version will make .foundation more financially independent
995892;1422473512;phillipsjk;I am sure you all know about the block-size controversy. How harw will it be for the end-user to change the block-size on these units?
995893;1422473515;mircea_popescu;that's the problem : to have them shipped to a central location and then shipped out trebles the cost
995894;1422473519;mircea_popescu;let people just buy thjem themselves.
995895;1422473533;mircea_popescu;phillipsjk impossible.
995896;1422473538;nubbins`;nod
995897;1422473550;nubbins`;or do a thing like raspi did, sub it out to the mfg's
995898;1422473558;mircea_popescu;wut ?
995899;1422473569;mircea_popescu;i specifically do not wish the purchase tobe identifiable.
995900;1422473571;asciilifeform;a determined luser could, in principle, rebuild the entire thing with phoundation's turd in place of ours, sure
995901;1422473582;mircea_popescu;l;et people buy individually, i dont want to ship out a stock of special-diddled machines
995902;1422473606;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform yes but he'll hjave to get gavin to sell him some of those magical 10 terrabyte ssd's he has from the future.
995903;1422473612;nubbins`;hm
995904;1422473616;mircea_popescu;you know, when the space kept doubling.
995905;1422473623;nubbins`;so this is essentially a mouser parts list, and a list of instructions?
995906;1422473624;asciilifeform;idk what you folks had in mind, but what i was making was that one of these can plug with crossover cable into a virginal unit and deflower it.
995907;1422473635;phillipsjk;asciilifeform, I was thinking, simply modify your code to handle a larger block-size.
995908;1422473635;mircea_popescu;nubbins` yup
995909;1422473638;mircea_popescu;so far at any rate.
995910;1422473651;nubbins`;o.
995911;1422473651;mircea_popescu;phillipsjk that's not the problem : anyone with half a clue can do the same and make a diff bitcoin static
995912;1422473656;mircea_popescu;problem is the chain won't fit.
995913;1422473676;mats;http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2015-01-27/nobel-prize-winning-economist-says-it-s-time-to-buy-greek-stocks kek
995914;1422473678;assbot;Nobel Winner Shiller Joins Pimco in Saying Buy Greek Assets - Bloomberg Business ... ( http://bit.ly/1By5hks )
995915;1422473703;mircea_popescu;wait, is his NAME shiller or is bloomberg now owned by s.qntr ?
995916;1422473722;nubbins`;asciilifeform that's what i pictured too
995917;1422473760;asciilifeform;idea being, unless you actually want to perform the deterministic build (want pedigreed sources, etc.) you don't need a pc.
995918;1422473767;nubbins`;yes, precisely
995919;1422473780;nubbins`;luser can go to walmart and buy one off the shelf, plug it in at home
995920;1422473784;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform only problem is getting the first unit
995921;1422473784;asciilifeform;just... breed them.
995922;1422473810;asciilifeform;first unit - use pc, yes, or borrow from phriend.
995923;1422473831;mircea_popescu;yeah.
995924;1422473840;mircea_popescu;i don't want to be shipping these out by hand if i can help it.
995925;1422473854;phillipsjk;What size SSD are you thinking of using?
995926;1422473861;asciilifeform;why ship them? so many folks already selling them. just need defloration.
995927;1422473874;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform exactly. well nubbins` was proposing a packaging etc.
995928;1422473880;danielpbarron;a 256 should last for 5 years if blocks are 1mb
995929;1422473893;asciilifeform;no need to buy exotic ssd either. old laptop hdd 64G and above ought to do for a while
995930;1422473893;mircea_popescu;phillipsjk 256 so far.
995931;1422473895;*;phillipsjk was planing on buying a new "cheap" SSD every year for his full node.
995932;1422473932;nubbins`;minimal, but nonetheless
995933;1422473939;mircea_popescu;phillipsjk i don't think anyone'll be able to beat the "spend a coupla hours having fun with real deal code, then forget about it" deal.
995934;1422473969;asciilifeform;if one of you wants to print glossy stickers to cover the oem case, with dire warnings re: drive will be formatted, etc. whatever, cardboard boxes, - why not. but this is a luxury
995935;1422474097;phillipsjk;Yes, I understand the appeal of a "set it and forget it" box. Sometimes, upgrades are kind of forced on users though. My former ISP mailed out a VSDL Modem when the local monopoy stopped supporting the older ADSL modem.
995936;1422474140;mircea_popescu;you don't plug it into the wall
995937;1422474144;phillipsjk;Presumably you can mail our "bitcoin box v2" if you become convinced a larger loack-size is needed.
995938;1422474145;mircea_popescu;you plug it into your current modem
995939;1422474152;mircea_popescu;nat router, w/e you use
995940;1422474157;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3331 @ 0.00043017 = 1.4329 BTC [-]
995941;1422474161;asciilifeform;phillipsjk: one of the motivations for this particular project is so that no bitcoin user can ever again have an 'upgrade' foisted on him by a phoundation shitgnome.
995942;1422474172;danielpbarron;can the pogonode be programmed to automount a usb drive, check for signed raw transactions in a text file, and broadcast them?
995943;1422474196;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform that's a good idea btw. can it do that much ?
995944;1422474209;asciilifeform;danielpbarron: what's wrong with connecting to the node properly on 8333 and spraying your tx in ?
995945;1422474220;mircea_popescu;yay. defo.
995946;1422474230;mircea_popescu;danielpbarron include that bit in the write-up, will be the identification for rebate.
995947;1422474257;mircea_popescu;!up macklemores_toup
995948;1422474286;mircea_popescu;dude i like talking things through in here, it's like a mental lens.
995949;1422474296;danielpbarron;the user might not have an online computer to broadcast from, but does have an offline signing machine
995950;1422474325;mircea_popescu;just paper wallets, no node whatsoever ?!
995951;1422474383;phillipsjk;MIcrosoft will want a cut is you use vfat :P
995952;1422474388;phillipsjk;*if
995953;1422474413;mircea_popescu;microsoft is not in the wot.
995954;1422474437;phillipsjk;Unfortunately Mircosoft deliberately broke UDF on hard-drives AKA USB sticks.
995955;1422474479;mircea_popescu;adaptec's private turd ?
995956;1422474509;trinque;why use vfat in the first place?
995957;1422474536;phillipsjk;They require the drive to be partitioned to use UDF. (making the partition cover the whole disk works)
995958;1422474639;phillipsjk;trinque, because that is the only thing MIcrosoft supports. Therefore every USB stick is pre-formatted with it. I understand you removed Microsoft compatibility from your code anyway.
995959;1422474648;mircea_popescu;scoopbot -fetch
995960;1422474669;mircea_popescu;;;later tell peterl dunno what scoopbot's issue is ?
995961;1422474669;gribble;The operation succeeded.
995962;1422474670;trinque;phillipsjk: I didn't but yes, they did.
995963;1422474677;mircea_popescu;http://trilema.com/2015/apple-first-greatest-biggest-etc/
995964;1422474678;assbot;Apple : first greatest biggest etc. pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.  ... ( http://bit.ly/1tsgd2W )
995965;1422474738;asciilifeform;why are we discussing weird microshit-proprietary filesystems ?
995966;1422474759;mircea_popescu;part of aculturation process for noobs ?
995967;1422474775;*;phillipsjk has a habit of going on tangents.
995968;1422474875;phillipsjk;Just make sure your users know they have to format as ext2 or whatever. (If you implement the plug-in transaction function.)
995969;1422474912;mircea_popescu;aha
995970;1422474928;asciilifeform;and wtf, if we're talking about fat16/32, that's in the kernel. mounts trivially
995971;1422474933;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform speaking of which, i wonder for how many noobs this will eb the first practical contact with a nix machine
995972;1422474948;mike_c;it should be irrelevant
995973;1422474951;lobbes;<asciilifeform> no need to buy exotic ssd either. old laptop hdd 64G and above ought to do for a while << vps with same specs should work too, right?
995974;1422474960;mircea_popescu;but it's a good contact. "WAIT LINUX ALLOWS BITCOIN TO RUN ON ROUTER?!?!?!?!"
995975;1422474973;mike_c;yeah.  it will be cool.
995976;1422474976;lobbes;mircea_popescu: heh, this will be my first practical contact
995977;1422474977;asciilifeform;hell knows. incidentally, who's for putting root pw (unique) on a scratch-off stickey on bottom. or, alternatively, send to requester by gpg
995978;1422474986;mircea_popescu;mike_c we don't have to tell them it was asciilifeform not "linux"
995979;1422474991;lobbes;mircea_popescu: gotta learn sometime
995980;1422474991;mike_c;hehe
995981;1422475000;mircea_popescu;then in a decade they start with the "TIME TO RUN ALF OUT OF THIS FREEDOM MOVEMENT"
995982;1422475005;mircea_popescu;and we can have a private chuckle
995983;1422475011;trinque;lol
995984;1422475028;mircea_popescu;see it's working already.
995985;1422475034;phillipsjk;asciilifeform, Microsoft has sued companies like tomtom over vfat Pantents (in the US)
995986;1422475041;asciilifeform;i also admit i have a netbsd variant (experimental) for this machine
995987;1422475046;mircea_popescu;we're having private chuckle issuance on the basis of future comedy gold revenues.
995988;1422475048;phillipsjk;*patents
995989;1422475050;mircea_popescu;the chuckflation.
995990;1422475103;mircea_popescu;phillipsjk microsoft is not in the wot. it can't sue anyone.
995991;1422475123;phillipsjk;Oh the whole "bitcoin is sovereign" thing.
995992;1422475135;mircea_popescu;there you go.
995993;1422475140;mircea_popescu;not in the wot = no rights.
995994;1422475149;nubbins`;incidentally, those Teenage Engineering things i linked to re: packaging earlier? They don't even come with a fucking /case/, and people bought them in the tens of thousands when they were announced
995995;1422475154;nubbins`;backed up til at least april right now
995996;1422475160;phillipsjk;The Wot is not Bitcoin though.
995997;1422475189;mircea_popescu;http://trilema.com/2014/a-complete-theory-of-economics/ << see thar
995998;1422475190;assbot;A complete theory of economics pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.  ... ( http://bit.ly/1tsjxLd )
995999;1422475268;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform so can we get a block count and runtime count so far ?
996000;1422475355;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo writing up the "dark phone" bug ?
996001;1422475365;mircea_popescu;or should someone aspiring to qntra publishing do it instead ?
996002;1422475434;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo: hanbot: Kind of what I was thinking. There just doesn't seem to be much left of it. << bitpay silently deleting the dramas ?
996003;1422475563;trinque;"This is the dawn of a new world." << Inspiring.
996004;1422475744;BingoBoingo;<mircea_popescu> or should someone aspiring to qntra publishing do it instead ? << leaning towards this, but if interest isn't expressed soon I'll take a break from current writing to do it quickly.
996005;1422475761;asciilifeform;135461; (running from zero on new disk since first i logged in today. see log.) 2 oomkills so far
996006;1422475765;BingoBoingo;!up phillipsjk
996007;1422476224;asciilifeform;appears to be wedged there. and has been for some time. but this is a build without the db lock patch. (ought to have wedged later, though ?)
996008;1422476288;asciilifeform;now unwedged. go figure.
996009;1422476328;davout;ohai
996010;1422476414;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 3100 @ 0.00093545 = 2.8999 BTC [-] {13} 
996011;1422476434;davout;the first 135461 blocksare probably like ~1% of the total processing that needs to be done before being up to date
996012;1422476453;davout;curious to see how long/how many oomkills it'll take to catch up
996013;1422476523;asciilifeform;davout: plan was, iirc, to fill these up with blockchain from parent machine, rather than sync from zero.
996014;1422476537;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform time /
996015;1422476565;mircea_popescu;davout i'd say more like 3ish % but yeah
996016;1422476589;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform there was no particular plan. fill with trusted chain, let it build it up, either way.
996017;1422476600;mircea_popescu;the building chain process is in fact a decent way to advertise the node.
996018;1422476655;asciilifeform;~4 hrs
996019;1422476667;mircea_popescu;http://36.media.tumblr.com/e37d779218ba44f713254eb00a83799a/tumblr_mono8s5yEL1rjqog4o1_500.jpg
996020;1422476669;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1tstMzm )
996021;1422476675;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform wait, it got 135k blocks in 4 hours ?!
996022;1422476703;asciilifeform;first 135k
996023;1422476706;mod6;took mine like 12 hours to get that many.
996024;1422476716;mod6;i had 1 CPU/128Mb ram
996025;1422476725;asciilifeform;it's on a fat pipe. and presumably got lucky with seed
996026;1422476729;mod6;ah.
996027;1422476733;mircea_popescu;impressive!
996028;1422476735;davout;so i'm not very clear how this gets distributed either, folks order their hardware directly and follow asciilifeform's guide? nothing's really decided yet if i understand correctly
996029;1422476742;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform but wait, hasn't it been running since yest ?
996030;1422476758;mircea_popescu;davout something like that. danielpbarron is ready to write a 101 guide
996031;1422476768;PeterL;mircea_popescu: scoopbot is running, is it not posting new posts?
996032;1422476780;mircea_popescu;PeterL well it apparently missed one, and didn't respond to fetch
996033;1422476786;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=28-01-2015#995717 http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=28-01-2015#995729
996034;1422476786;assbot;Logged on 28-01-2015 16:04:52; asciilifeform: set it up with the loop now.
996035;1422476786;assbot;Logged on 28-01-2015 16:20:41; asciilifeform: running it on 'sandisk' 60gB ssd now.
996036;1422476806;mircea_popescu;ah started over. kay.
996037;1422476816;davout;methinks setting up might not be trivial if one must also import a pre-loaded chain
996038;1422476828;mircea_popescu;well, i was ready to pronounce it victorious if it did more than 10k blocks / 24 hours, so.
996039;1422476851;mircea_popescu;one doesn;t have to import a preloaded chain
996040;1422476852;asciilifeform;davout: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=28-01-2015#995906
996041;1422476852;assbot;Logged on 28-01-2015 19:33:44; asciilifeform: idk what you folks had in mind, but what i was making was that one of these can plug with crossover cable into a virginal unit and deflower it.
996042;1422476885;davout;"one doesn;t have to import a preloaded chain" <<< the getting up to date from scratch time will be interesting
996043;1422476902;mircea_popescu;apparently its ~ 100 hours or so
996044;1422476906;asciilifeform;for the record: 3rd oomkill, 136006 blocks, 25 second restart
996045;1422476919;mircea_popescu;ie, better than bitcoind for most of its history.
996046;1422476956;davout;if this thing syncs the whole chain in 100 hours that would be pretty incredible
996047;1422476979;mircea_popescu;even if it takes a month, it's perfectly fine.
996048;1422477017;davout;also http://cointelegraph.com/news/113383/amsterdam-bitcoin-hackathon-winner-discovers-way-to-remove-confirmations <<< top kek
996049;1422477018;assbot;Amsterdam Bitcoin Hackathon Winner Discovers Way To Remove Confirmations ... ( http://bit.ly/1wBviKw )
996050;1422477037;davout;"you just need to deposit some collateral"
996051;1422477046;mircea_popescu;sooo... any people looking to start a journalistic career ?
996052;1422477086;mircea_popescu;". This is less than ideal, especially for some kinds of digital products � a Netflix-type of service that sells movies on demand, for instance."
996053;1422477090;mircea_popescu;these people are complete fucking idiots.
996054;1422477101;mircea_popescu;so... i go to watch a film with netflix, pay in btc. they see the tx and let me watch
996055;1422477112;mircea_popescu;half hour later, turns out my tx was doublespent. SO THEY TURN IT OFF
996056;1422477117;mircea_popescu;omfg, i saw half a movie!!1
996057;1422477125;nubbins`;joke's on them!!!111
996058;1422477131;mircea_popescu;it's almost as if twitter has formatted an entire generation to not fucking thing.
996059;1422477134;asciilifeform;'As such, the funds will automatically be sent back to the user at some point in the future, unless both parties overwrite the transaction before that time.' >>>> obligatory >>>> http://bash.bitcoin-assets.com/?quote=314
996060;1422477135;assbot;#bitcoin-assets bash ... ( http://bit.ly/1wBvBEY )
996061;1422477148;mircea_popescu;think*. at all. it's just.... signal processing, zero introspection, they might as well not have memory.
996062;1422477188;nubbins`;well y'know, give everyone the internet...
996063;1422477215;mircea_popescu;"This Saturday, in a stylish canal side house in the center of Amsterdam, a team of four hackers who had never met each other before, including two who were using bitcoin for the first time, might have constructed the theoretical groundwork to solve this problem. "
996064;1422477228;mircea_popescu;and this metastasized cult of the romantic "genius'
996065;1422477235;mircea_popescu;srsly, "people who had no idea made this" ?
996066;1422477257;mircea_popescu;how about the fucktards spend six months reading the logs like it's the words of their father, first.
996067;1422477264;mircea_popescu;o wait. the romantic genius doesn't have a father.
996068;1422477266;mircea_popescu;he has tuberculosis.
996069;1422477316;davout;"how about the fucktards spend six months reading the logs like it's the words of their father, first." <<< no. because cult.
996070;1422477324;mircea_popescu;riiiight.
996071;1422477346;mircea_popescu;fucking amoebas, the libertard twentysomething.
996072;1422477414;nubbins`;alf, are you imagining this device as something that plugs in, flashes the router, & is then removed, or an actual node as a device, hanging out of a port on the router?
996073;1422477416;asciilifeform;not necessary that the amoebas are playing characters, however. they are not running the show, did not write script.
996074;1422477439;mircea_popescu;nubbins` it's forever on the router dude. that was the spec. for a box to plug into your spare router hole and sit there forevert.
996075;1422477455;nubbins`;k, i know there was some talk of flashing router firmware as well
996076;1422477456;mircea_popescu;that same unit can also be used to replicate itself, with crossover cable
996077;1422477461;mircea_popescu;but this is a perk./
996078;1422477464;nubbins`;a.
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996088;1422477612;asciilifeform;nubbins: it is (was originally sold as) a nas box. runs bitcoind now. idea was that it can also jailbreak and reflash a virginal unit of the same type, if plugged into it rather than the net
996089;1422477623;mircea_popescu;nubbins` yeah lol. i recall fluffypony was lookjing for someone to do that. hard work, tough bread.
996090;1422477658;davout;asciilifeform: i didn't get that part, it's pretty fucking cool
996091;1422477667;fluffypony;I thought I had someone, he bailed
996092;1422477676;fluffypony;(and that was with agreement to pay)
996093;1422477679;nubbins`;oh, i missed that as well.
996094;1422477683;nubbins`;what's the make/model?
996095;1422477685;mircea_popescu;davout this thing, started as a casual why not, turned into a fountain of cool. nuts.
996096;1422477695;mircea_popescu;fluffypony yeah. hard to find good help these days eh ?
996097;1422477704;fluffypony;quite
996098;1422477717;mircea_popescu;we need slave labour damnit.
996099;1422477767;asciilifeform;davout: see log:
996100;1422477775;asciilifeform;!s pogoplug
996101;1422477776;assbot;16 results for 'pogoplug' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=pogoplug
996102;1422477804;asciilifeform;cheap (qty. 1, ~12 usd sans sata, 18 - with) box sold originally for nas and some 'cloud' bullshit
996103;1422477830;mircea_popescu;nubbins` which is why shipping etc doesn't make so much sense. just go plunk down twenny for the box at your local shop
996104;1422477837;nubbins`;nod
996105;1422477838;mircea_popescu;http://40.media.tumblr.com/b8746a519151b0d72d59f40f4e78ba4c/tumblr_mldvclICsu1qfrklho1_500.jpg << teh coy behaviour.
996106;1422477839;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1tsD4v8 )
996107;1422477853;nubbins`;don't underestimate the premium people are willing to pay for convenience tho
996108;1422477871;mircea_popescu;notice how both women display it, centered arund the cunt, but the mother has been worked into society towards a slightly more relaxed position of the other end of the spine.
996109;1422477875;asciilifeform;actually it could make sense if someone were to negotiate a massive bulk discount on the crate of boxes
996110;1422477892;mircea_popescu;nubbins` don't underestimate the premium we put on people who aren't consumer-broken.
996111;1422477895;nubbins`;remember those usb block erupters? people would literally pay a $300+ premium if you just put the USB hub, a cable, and the erupters in the same box for them.
996112;1422477914;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform not really, you can get a few bux that way but import the risk you get a special box of special units.
996113;1422477930;nubbins`;asciilifeform you could probably get 'em branded at the factory with whatever name/logo you wanted
996114;1422477938;asciilifeform;usb miner was quite another thing from the item here. it promised mega-riches to chumps, and attracted a certain kind of crowd.
996115;1422477939;mircea_popescu;shit, the usb errupters are a good idea.
996116;1422477943;nubbins`;asciilifeform true
996117;1422477948;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform box takes usb stick doesnt it ?
996118;1422477983;mircea_popescu;nubbins` nah this won't work. the usb actually steals entropy from pc neh ?
996119;1422477992;asciilifeform;they take usb (usb3 even.) and at one point in the beginning i almost suggested baking in a miner. but 1) who makes miners reputably 2) it has no rng (see log)
996120;1422477994;nubbins`;couldn't tell ya
996121;1422478009;mircea_popescu;yeh right you are asciilifeform
996122;1422478012;nubbins`;but y'know. this is just adding whistles
996123;1422478017;mircea_popescu;pretty much yeah
996124;1422478035;nubbins`;smallest capable size is what you want
996125;1422478095;nubbins`;if it can be hidden behind something, much more likely to be set up and left running
996126;1422478119;nubbins`;my router's stuffed behind my stereo in a jumble of wires, for example
996127;1422478128;nubbins`;i don't have room for a big ol' box
996128;1422478234;asciilifeform;nubbins: http://imgur.com/mFytet5 << size & shape
996129;1422478236;assbot;                        test - Imgur ... ( http://bit.ly/1tsFGsS )
996130;1422478281;nubbins`;nb
996131;1422478334;nubbins`;that's the regular lid on the right?
996132;1422478429;davout;asciilifeform: http://www.amazon.com/Pogoplug-Series-4-Backup-Device/dp/B006I5MKZY amirite
996133;1422478431;assbot;Amazon.com : Pogoplug Series 4 Backup Device : Networked Attached Storage : Camera & Photo ... ( http://bit.ly/1wBz3zE )
996134;1422478470;nubbins`;dat price
996135;1422478480;asciilifeform;nubbins: yes, it
996136;1422478557;nubbins`;and this is the thing you've been testing it on
996137;1422478562;*;nubbins` blinks, purchases
996138;1422478565;asciilifeform;aha
996139;1422478586;davout;asciilifeform: i'm up to date logwise, but it's not really clear to me if i should get some sort of chord, or provision separate sd card/storage
996140;1422478596;davout;in addition to the thing itself
996141;1422478647;asciilifeform;davout: i'm testing a replacement firmware (for the internal eeprom) that sees if sata disk is present, and, if not already containing a blockchain, formats it and starts from nil
996142;1422478708;asciilifeform;davout: the unit presently churning on my desk was booted from sd card - which i was using for testing (final firmware will be a read-only squashfs)
996143;1422478744;davout;ok, the thing itself doesn't include storage, does it have to be a sata disk, or would a large enough sd be enough?
996144;1422478762;asciilifeform;davout: sd is slow as fuck
996145;1422478768;mircea_popescu;and wear prob lems
996146;1422478771;mircea_popescu;but it may work.
996147;1422478795;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: it was about 35x slower than the sata presently running
996148;1422478827;davout;ok, if its performance is storage-speed bound i should get a disk with it
996149;1422478835;asciilifeform;who doesn't have a bag of old laptop drives lying around ?
996150;1422478843;mircea_popescu;most people lol
996151;1422478845;davout;lol
996152;1422478890;davout;"No storage limits and no additional fees when using your own external hard drive" <<< lol, good to know
996153;1422478892;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform yes, slower. obviously if a block takes less thna 10 minutes it's still perfectly usable.
996154;1422478900;asciilifeform;at this point, even most 'civilians' have the bag. just with the disks still in their shells (laptops, that is..)
996155;1422478921;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform fun fact : 50% of america dreams of but doesn't own and can't afford a laptop.
996156;1422478922;asciilifeform;the sd will croak reasonably quickly.
996157;1422478931;mircea_popescu;this is not going into items like, india, chad, etc.
996158;1422478954;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: i've seen hobos with laptop. not uncommon.
996159;1422478959;mircea_popescu;where you live.
996160;1422478960;davout;so sd card performance would be acceptable if blockchain pre-loaded
996161;1422478969;mircea_popescu;davout untested but conceivably.
996162;1422478986;davout;asciilifeform: just because they stink and hang out all day at starbucks doesn't mean they're actual hobos
996163;1422478997;mircea_popescu;^ aptly put.
996164;1422479025;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: from speaking with some, learned that actual hobos, traditional. but with laptop, because why not? none were born hobo
996165;1422479036;mircea_popescu;women aren't sluts just because they're dressed in the nude ; derps on tv aren't scientists just because they wear a white lab coat ; stinky hobos at your local starbucks aren't anything other than all the other people in starbucks.
996166;1422479088;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform because why not ? for the same reason korea why not aircraft carrier, in nucet.
996167;1422479096;asciilifeform;fella who has no bed, no postbox, one shirt, eats occasional leftovers, sits in restaurants and finishes other folks' drinks - what do you call him?
996168;1422479109;mircea_popescu;a web entrepreneur
996169;1422479111;nubbins`;would be nice to use SD as a base option, with the ability to stuff whatever laptop etc drive in there
996170;1422479112;mircea_popescu;at least in my experience.
996171;1422479138;asciilifeform;nubbins: use the usb3 jacks. sd simply sucks.
996172;1422479149;nubbins`;oh, usb, that's right. jeez.
996173;1422479151;mircea_popescu;^
996174;1422479158;nubbins`;one of those tiny little nub (!) ones
996175;1422479159;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 51449 @ 0.00043056 = 22.1519 BTC [+] {2} 
996176;1422479169;mircea_popescu;even an 8gb should do well
996177;1422479174;mircea_popescu;i dunno if you can even buy them anymore
996178;1422479186;asciilifeform;wai wat?! 8g? how
996179;1422479188;mircea_popescu;and now THERE asciilifeform hjas us: nobody exists without a bag of thumb drives
996180;1422479193;nubbins`;8gb usb nub and wifi nub, don't even need to plug it into router. just wall.
996181;1422479234;asciilifeform;nubbins: deliberately did not pick unit with wifi because now that needs to be configured - and did not plan to give it a ui of any kind (other than the built-in bicolor led)
996182;1422479235;mircea_popescu;nubbins` wifi means plugged into router ;)
996183;1422479242;nubbins`;HEH
996184;1422479247;nubbins`;for some defs of plug!
996185;1422479257;mircea_popescu;for all of em lol. this guy has no wifi.
996186;1422479278;nubbins`;too true though. even WPS setup is too much of a burden at this point
996187;1422479283;davout;how does the blockchain fit in 8gb?
996188;1422479297;nubbins`;zip it, duh
996189;1422479299;nubbins`;;D
996190;1422479310;mircea_popescu;oh that's right.
996191;1422479312;mircea_popescu;FINE!
996192;1422479316;nubbins`;anyway
996193;1422479323;nubbins`;usb sticks are ~$1/gb
996194;1422479324;mircea_popescu;i was here in an earlier time, a happier time
996195;1422479331;nubbins`;suppose it's a 64
996196;1422479340;nubbins`;still less than $100 for the whole thing, cables and all
996197;1422479353;davout;$ du -sh blocks --> 34G
996198;1422479359;mircea_popescu;28gb atm
996199;1422479379;davout;the sd card or usb stick is gonna end up costing more than the actual device
996200;1422479380;davout;:D
996201;1422479396;mircea_popescu;ayup.
996202;1422479405;mircea_popescu;because you know, gavin is right and storage is free.
996203;1422479421;mircea_popescu;(if you use usg "free" storage, "special deal for gavincoin")
996204;1422479441;davout;it's ok, whatever usb stick i buy self-replicates every year
996205;1422479461;davout;OKEY DOKEY
996206;1422479468;mircea_popescu;;;later tell gavinandersen hey derpyshits, where's the economist "experts" when you actually need 'em ?
996207;1422479468;gribble;The operation succeeded.
996208;1422479480;nubbins`;wrong sp
996209;1422479500;mircea_popescu;wtf is it ?
996210;1422479505;nubbins`;i uh.
996211;1422479508;nubbins`;andreesen?
996212;1422479514;nubbins`;;;google usgavin bitcoin
996213;1422479515;gribble;How A Bigger Blockchain Is Less Secure And Why Block Size Ain't ...: <http://www.contravex.com/2014/10/07/how-a-bigger-blockchain-is-less-secure-and-why-block-size-aint-gonna-increase-any-time-soon/>; Bitcoin - Twitter: <https://twitter.com/gavinandresen>; USGavin, the lolcow pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.: <http://trilema.com/2014/usgavin-the-lolcow/>
996214;1422479519;nubbins`;andresen
996215;1422479533;mircea_popescu;;;later tell gavinandresen hey derpyshits, where's the economist "experts" when you actually need 'em ?
996216;1422479533;gribble;The operation succeeded.
996217;1422479549;mircea_popescu;i hear he has a magic tool to make the usb sticks half price every year or something,
996218;1422479549;danielpbarron;BingoBoingo, here's a rough draft of the blackphone thing http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=4q9wt0yr
996219;1422479550;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1wBC8zq )
996220;1422479559;mircea_popescu;maybe he can sell us some $0.5 / gb sticks.
996221;1422479589;mircea_popescu;to quote deedee, "do with your magic science or something!"
996222;1422479638;nubbins`;heh
996223;1422479642;nubbins`;in fairness, give it a year
996224;1422479647;nubbins`;and they prolly will be.
996225;1422479649;BingoBoingo;thanks danielpbarron
996226;1422479676;mircea_popescu;nubbins` yeah, tell you what : http://log.b-a.link/?date=28-01-2015#996176
996227;1422479676;assbot;Logged on 28-01-2015 21:06:09; mircea_popescu: even an 8gb should do well
996228;1422479681;nubbins`;i actually semi-regularly purchase sub-$1/gb sticks as a matter of principle
996229;1422479685;mircea_popescu;that WAS given a coupla years, now it's 36 gb.
996230;1422479699;nubbins`;2 troo
996231;1422479703;mircea_popescu;and if you do a leetal math, full 1mb blocks...
996232;1422479724;mircea_popescu;;;calc 24 * 6 * 365 * 1024**2
996233;1422479724;gribble;55113154560
996234;1422479725;nubbins`;why, that'd eliminate the possibility of cheap, plentiful nodes forever!
996235;1422479743;mircea_popescu;55gb a year as we are.
996236;1422479752;asciilifeform;oomkill, 139007
996237;1422479779;mats;;;bc,stats
996238;1422479779;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform in retrospect, this is without the db fixes ?!
996239;1422479785;gribble;Current Blocks: 340906 | Current Difficulty: 4.127287389469702E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 342719 | Next Difficulty In: 1813 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 4 days, 1 hour, 19 minutes, and 1 second | Next Difficulty Estimate: 47404309835.3 | Estimated Percent Change: 14.85585
996240;1422479794;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: aha
996241;1422479818;mircea_popescu;to quote the immortal pesto... "well that ain't gonna work ?!"
996242;1422479830;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17200 @ 0.00043899 = 7.5506 BTC [+]
996243;1422479887;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: i'll patch it as soon as i get a working patcher (see last night's thread)
996244;1422479895;mircea_popescu;kk
996245;1422479922;asciilifeform;incidentally - anyone bother to replicate my build yet ?
996246;1422479958;mats;https://soundcloud.com/freedomfry/freedom-fry-shaky-ground-hey-na-na-na
996247;1422479959;assbot;Freedom Fry - Shaky Ground (Hey Na Na Na) by freedomfry - Hear the world’s sounds ... ( http://bit.ly/1wBD9Yy )
996248;1422479986;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform dun think so.
996249;1422480006;BingoBoingo;danielpbarron: no mention of the evil text message bug?
996250;1422480108;danielpbarron;isn't that this? -> "A memory corruption vulnerability allowed decryption of private messages to any attacker with the victim's user ID or phone number."
996251;1422480142;BingoBoingo;Ah, k. I just hoped to see the trigger mentioned.
996252;1422480245;BingoBoingo;danielpbarron: how does "The attacker can trigger the flaw by sending a hostile text message." inserted after that sentence sound.
996253;1422480297;mod6;asciilifeform: i havent. no clue how to ... 'specially since your email got eaten.  and beyond that now all of our testing environments are kaput
996254;1422480309;mod6;which is another major problem for ben & i
996255;1422480345;mircea_popescu;jurov you around ?
996256;1422480360;danielpbarron;BingoBoingo, sounds good
996257;1422480397;TomServo;RE: pogonode, according to an amazon customer "Just tried a 64gb sdxc and no joy. 32gb sdhc OK" if anyone was still considering SD.
996258;1422480412;danielpbarron;good point; that does make it sound especially bad
996259;1422480576;BingoBoingo;danielpbarron: http://qntra.net/2015/01/blackphone-less-opaque-than-promised/
996260;1422480577;assbot;BlackPhone Less Opaque Than Promised | Qntra.net ... ( http://bit.ly/1wBEOgE )
996261;1422480578;asciilifeform;sd is just a bitch
996262;1422480781;xanthyos;:)
996263;1422480806;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22379 @ 0.00043011 = 9.6254 BTC [-]
996264;1422480857;scoopbot;New post on Qntra.net by danielpbarron: http://qntra.net/2015/01/blackphone-less-opaque-than-promised/
996265;1422480960;jurov;mircea_popescu: just arrived
996266;1422481121;mircea_popescu;jurov apparerntly there's some issues with the mailing list
996267;1422481154;jurov;i know, explained in the morning
996268;1422481204;jurov;but was afk, only now i got gpg to refresh keys so that i can resubmit alf's email
996269;1422481288;asciilifeform;any thoughts re: the idea of replacing std::allocator in the turd with a pool allocator?
996270;1422481310;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=28-01-2015#995721
996271;1422481310;assbot;Logged on 28-01-2015 16:06:55; asciilifeform: let it exit cleanly rather than waltzing over the db when killed by kernel
996272;1422481548;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform im not advanced enough to say.
996273;1422481553;mircea_popescu;!up t4nk
996274;1422481581;asciilifeform;it'd be another step closer to planting it on bare metal, also...
996275;1422481733;mircea_popescu;this is a point huh
996276;1422481764;asciilifeform;not essential piece, but should be tried, unless somebody plugs leak soon
996277;1422481780;asciilifeform;as it is, os kills it, and it dies 'with full pants'
996278;1422481803;jurov;http://btc.yt/ml/btc-dev/2015-January/000033.html okay it's here
996279;1422481804;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/15UXgLV )
996280;1422481807;davout;asciilifeform: i already got db corrupted a buncha times when not cleanly terminating bitcoind
996281;1422481830;asciilifeform;ty jurov!
996282;1422481839;jurov;http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/patches.html but here the column "signed by" seems utter mess :(
996283;1422481840;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/15UXoLr )
996284;1422481845;asciilifeform;davout: hence this idea. it did not come from empty space.
996285;1422481856;mod6;ah cool, i see it now
996286;1422481931;davout;asciilifeform: it's the best formulation for somebody unqualified like me  to say it's a good idea :-)
996287;1422482775;scoopbot;New post on Trilema by Mircea Popescu: http://trilema.com/2015/fun-with-pairs-of-girls/
996288;1422482812;mircea_popescu;worx now.
996289;1422482816;mircea_popescu;scoopbot you old perv
996290;1422482954;asciilifeform;mod6: cat: gpgout.log: No such file or directory
996291;1422482984;asciilifeform;because, i think, already had keys
996292;1422483179;pete_dushenski;nubbins`: i'm not sure why willingness or reluctance would have anything to do with becoming the largest economy. china's was the largest for most of the second millenium ad, whether or not anyone had anything to say on the matter
996293;1422483190;pete_dushenski;it seems to me that it just was
996294;1422483196;pete_dushenski;just as it just is
996295;1422483229;pete_dushenski;just as bitcoin will itself underpin a large global economy.
996296;1422483247;asciilifeform;cat: chicken.sig.log: No such file or directory
996297;1422483250;pete_dushenski;maybe it wants to, maybe it doesn't, but it will be
996298;1422483257;asciilifeform;none of the gpg logs end up written
996299;1422483272;mod6;are you using the one from teh email or the one from the website?
996300;1422483280;asciilifeform;site
996301;1422483303;mod6;it should start it's own keyring (.gnupg) dir in the build directory.
996302;1422483328;mod6;clean it out and then set: FULL_CLEAN=TRUE
996303;1422483334;asciilifeform;it does, but none of the keys are marked 'trusted', it appears
996304;1422483350;mod6;Should still end up with "Good Signature"
996305;1422483363;mircea_popescu;hm
996306;1422483407;asciilifeform;the gpg logs never happen.
996307;1422483451;mod6;*shrug*, works for me i guess
996308;1422483465;mircea_popescu;o.O
996309;1422483473;mircea_popescu;what's this, the magic website ?!
996310;1422483485;mod6;I'll take it down.
996311;1422483493;mod6;YOu'll just have to patch it by hand.
996312;1422483504;mircea_popescu;but i mean...
996313;1422483510;nubbins`;you mean, we nice
996314;1422483517;nubbins`;;/
996315;1422483517;mod6;done
996316;1422483562;BingoBoingo;!b 4
996317;1422483562;assbot;Last 4 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/1WAZCWV.txt )
996318;1422483712;pete_dushenski;Ha so Gavin. RT @jokeocracy: the unwritten thirteenth Rule for Radicals: the guy demanding ACTION NOW is probably an undercover fed
996319;1422483855;asciilifeform;!b 1
996320;1422483857;assbot;Last 1 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/2XE4HJ7.txt )
996321;1422483942;mircea_popescu;doh.
996322;1422484040;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 39700 @ 0.00043266 = 17.1766 BTC [+] {2} 
996323;1422484164;asciilifeform;144255 block
996324;1422484584;mircea_popescu;!up phillipsjk
996325;1422484589;mircea_popescu;get a wot already eh.
996326;1422484605;phillipsjk;What is the minimum?
996327;1422484622;mircea_popescu;for what ?
996328;1422484632;phillipsjk;the bot voicing me
996329;1422484639;pete_dushenski;l2
996330;1422484641;mircea_popescu;1
996331;1422484653;danielpbarron;the minimum is typing the command; he's already in assbot's l2
996332;1422484661;mircea_popescu;ah ok
996333;1422484673;mircea_popescu;!gettrust assbot phillipsjk
996334;1422484673;assbot;Trust relationship from user assbot to user phillipsjk: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 1 via 1 connections. | http://w.b-a.link/trust/assbot/phillipsjk | http://w.b-a.link/user/phillipsjk
996335;1422484683;mircea_popescu;yeah you pm assbot !up and verify it.
996336;1422484707;phillipsjk;I guess asking the bot the first time did not work becuase... DDOS
996337;1422484740;mircea_popescu;possibru
996338;1422485419;mats;http://www.aljazeera.com/news/2015/01/kobane-beginning-isil-201512782724826681.html
996339;1422485420;assbot;Kobane: The beginning of the end for ISIL - Al Jazeera English ... ( http://bit.ly/1ttnS0M )
996340;1422485475;mats;kurds took kobane. should be interesting to see if IS gets crushed... but i doubt it
996341;1422485991;phillipsjk;is there a way to check if assbot has me authed now? (it gave no acknowledgment)
996342;1422486012;BingoBoingo;!down phillipsjk
996343;1422486017;BingoBoingo;!up phillipsjk
996344;1422486026;mod6;asciilifeform: see pm, maybe you can help me debug that thing
996345;1422486048;BingoBoingo;phillipsjk: Did you decode and reply with !v decryptedstring?
996346;1422486068;jurov;mod6 i'm on it, too
996347;1422486103;mod6;thanks jurov
996348;1422486105;phillipsjk;no, I just gave it the decrypted string
996349;1422486202;BingoBoingo;phillipsjk: Ah, you have to prefix the string with !v so assbot can keister it.
996350;1422486317;mircea_popescu;well done.
996351;1422486333;davout;mazeltov
996352;1422486407;mircea_popescu;http://40.media.tumblr.com/50272c1a00a7d304816b7cd0f7aebedf/tumblr_mnxxa0siTe1rymyzgo1_1280.jpg << who said teh ghetto's a dangerous place ?
996353;1422486409;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1tttPe1 )
996354;1422486539;jurov;is there a command to unescape clearsigned text?
996355;1422486556;jurov;in the script there are plenty of lines starting with -
996356;1422486559;jurov;that got mangled
996357;1422486633;davout;jurov: gpg -d would do that
996358;1422486634;jurov;mod6 ^
996359;1422486663;jurov;got it working
996360;1422486670;davout;iirc that'll output unescaped text to stdout and signature verification result to stderr
996361;1422486727;mats;http://pando.com/2014/11/10/the-war-nerd-farewell-islamic-state-we-hardly-knew-ye << huh. i had no idea the War Nerd writes for pando now.
996362;1422486729;assbot;The War Nerd: Farewell Islamic State, we hardly knew ye | PandoDaily ... ( http://bit.ly/15Rk12o )
996363;1422486731;mircea_popescu;btw, if anyone is stuck waiting for a ghost fix or w/e, not bakcported yet into your distro :
996364;1422486733;mircea_popescu;          size_needed = (sizeof (*host_addr)
996365;1422486734;mircea_popescu;    -                    + sizeof (*h_addr_ptrs) + strlen (name) + 1);
996366;1422486734;mircea_popescu;    +                    + sizeof (*h_addr_ptrs)
996367;1422486734;mircea_popescu;    +                    + sizeof (*h_alias_ptr) + strlen (name) + 1);
996368;1422486740;mircea_popescu;pretty fucking lulzy too.
996369;1422486747;mod6;\o/
996370;1422486748;mod6;thanks mp
996371;1422486772;mircea_popescu;that's basically it, recompile.
996372;1422486776;mod6;jurov: that's awesome... and just because im slow... that's inreference to the email issue right?
996373;1422486811;jurov;mod6 that's about script not working
996374;1422486852;mod6;oh. weird.
996375;1422486866;mod6;OH
996376;1422486869;mod6;ok.. yes.
996377;1422486910;mod6;i remember now... sorry, too many things flying by me.  so yeah, clearsign added all these weird '-' infront of some lines.
996378;1422486927;mod6;the one that I had linked on the webpage, needs a bit of debugging i think.
996379;1422486938;jurov;but it won't work anyway, gpg apprently won't create the logfile as requested
996380;1422486955;jurov;and won't accept relative paths for homedir
996381;1422486990;mod6;now that is bizzare
996382;1422486998;jurov;and if pointed to empty homedit, it won't import keys
996383;1422487002;jurov;*homedir
996384;1422487008;mod6;so you're saying that this doesn't work: gpg --logger-file alert-snip.sig.log --homedir .gnupg
996385;1422487014;mod6;(for instance)
996386;1422487023;mod6;it's gotta be a versioning problem.
996387;1422487031;mod6;lemme see what I was using...
996388;1422487050;mod6;root@ip-172-31-10-219:~# gpg --version
996389;1422487050;mod6;gpg (GnuPG) 1.4.10
996390;1422487054;mod6;and
996391;1422487074;jurov;gpg --logger-file gpgout.log --import pubkeys/*.asc << this line
996392;1422487098;mod6;root@debian-test:/home/mod6# gpg --version
996393;1422487098;mod6;gpg (GnuPG) 1.4.10
996394;1422487115;mod6;huh.
996395;1422487139;jurov;gpg (GnuPG) 2.0.25 << such spawn of evil
996396;1422487139;mod6;jurov: if you don't mind, what version of gpg are you using
996397;1422487147;mod6;ahh, ok
996398;1422487156;mod6;yeah, i think this is an old school thing
996399;1422487157;*;mod6 looks
996400;1422487172;jurov;anyway, gonna post my script
996401;1422487457;mod6;deeeerp
996402;1422487458;mod6;--log-file file
996403;1422487459;mod6;--logger-file file Same as --logger-fd, except the logger data is written to file file. Note that --log-file is only implemented for GnuPG-2.
996404;1422487815;mats;http://www.aljazeera.com/news/2015/01/greek-pm-longer-submit-eu-150128130451453.html
996405;1422487816;assbot;Greek PM: We will no longer submit to the EU - Al Jazeera English ... ( http://bit.ly/1ttDbql )
996406;1422487822;mats;hohoho
996407;1422487862;mats;"Our people are suffering and demand respect ... We must bleed to defend their dignity"
996408;1422487922;mod6;gotta figure out something with this --homedir option
996409;1422488049;nubbins`;http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/jul/16/american-claim-africa-science-jeremiah-heaton-egypt-sudan
996410;1422488051;assbot;American plans to use 'his' piece of Africa for advancement of science | World news | The Guardian ... ( http://bit.ly/15Rrcrr )
996411;1422488068;mod6;that one looks to be an option in both branches... so i dunno
996412;1422488080;mod6;i guess one can set an env var "GNUPGHOME" also
996413;1422488088;mod6;ill try some different things a bit later. bbiab
996414;1422488092;nubbins`;this fucking asshole plants a flag in a part of the desert so dry the fucking BEDOUIN don't go there
996415;1422488109;nubbins`;and dares to mention "innovative agricultural production" as one of his goals
996416;1422488123;nubbins`;i have no sides
996417;1422488188;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21750 @ 0.00043539 = 9.4697 BTC [+]
996418;1422488263;jurov;mod6 script fix sent
996419;1422488279;mats;nubbins`: b-but the jews do ok
996420;1422488324;nubbins`;if nobody was burning your olive groves to build illegal settlements, you'd be doing ok too
996421;1422488334;*;nubbins` sets lit match on floor
996422;1422488702;jurov;mod6, also it left all qt-related files in
996423;1422489015;*;jurov looks at pruning code in utter disbelief... was thinking that everyone konws the cp --parents trick to copy files named in manifest
996424;1422489591;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 97750 @ 0.00042924 = 41.9582 BTC [-] {2} 
996425;1422489670;mircea_popescu;<assbot> Greek PM: We will no longer submit to the EU - Al Jazeera English << the great us - germany war heating up huh.
996426;1422489688;mircea_popescu;speaking of al jazeera usa - http://thelastpsychiatrist.com/2013/09/how_does_the_shutdown_relate_t.html tlp on point as usual.
996427;1422489690;assbot;The Last Psychiatrist: How Does The Shutdown Relate To Me? ... ( http://bit.ly/15Ryb3C )
996428;1422489810;mircea_popescu;"Alexis Tsipras said on Wednesday that he wanted a "viable, mutually beneficial solution" to what he called a humanitarian disaster his country has suffered as a result of the austerity imposed by its creditors."
996429;1422489841;mircea_popescu;humanitarian disaster, yeah. greeks no longer able to spend whole day crowding the coffee shops across the acropolis, acting like they're the russian rich people coming to visit
996430;1422489902;mircea_popescu;typical moive, too, now that they've got all the free money that they were liable to get. greece is basically a hooker.
996431;1422489915;mircea_popescu;for the past... uh i dunno, 2k years ? pretty much the mode
996432;1422489971;mircea_popescu;souflakis is particularly rich. "we will agree with you through the simple process of you all being just as stupid as we are. problem solved."
996433;1422490134;mircea_popescu;in other news, teh house with a view : http://40.media.tumblr.com/ff28f8f3c38b47d61f479bac676d0bf0/tumblr_miu8wxWBEe1rhlfrbo1_500.jpg
996434;1422490135;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/15RAEem )
996435;1422490262;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 56908 @ 0.00043576 = 24.7982 BTC [+] {3} 
996436;1422490278;jurov;...aaaannnd it's here: http://btc.yt/lxr/satoshi/source/src/?v=0.5.3.1
996437;1422490279;assbot;Satoshi 0.5.3.1/src/ ... ( http://bit.ly/15RBrMv )
996438;1422490515;mircea_popescu;The media explains how things relate to him, and as long as he understands what's going on, he feels empowered.  He is given an ideology without even knowing it.  Now he doesn't actually have to do anything, indeed, it's way the hell better if he does nothing.  All that's required is support, and through his support not only will "the right things" happen but he'll share in the credit.
996439;1422490515;mircea_popescu;You'll counter that there are right leaning and left leaning independents, isn't there a difference? but this misses the point: propaganda doesn't try to get you to believe something, but to do something, and in this case it is to do nothing-- it doesn't matter what you choose to believe, as long as your outrage is done from inside your house.
996440;1422490516;mircea_popescu;This is the whole gimmick of media, not polar but triangular, right, left, middle, mobilizing an army of assonauts to feel strongly enough about something that they don't do anything.
996441;1422490519;mircea_popescu;holy shit i love this guy.,
996442;1422490758;mats;16-12-2014 01:38:56  <asciilifeform>   here's a very rough description of above experiment ... << forgive me if i don't get the point of this (secrecy and deniability?). traffic can be correlated if the circuit is long-term, you tunnel a two way protocol, disruption causes retransmits, and there's noise
996443;1422491103;mats;y'all give TCP a bad rap. it works exceedingly well for the goals, which is automagical conservative scaling of speed to dynamically changing throughput over opaque paths, which makes it reliable. reliable is good.
996444;1422491116;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 38531 @ 0.00043792 = 16.8735 BTC [+] {2} 
996445;1422491360;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 78850 @ 0.00042709 = 33.676 BTC [-] {3} 
996446;1422491421;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35000 @ 0.00042546 = 14.8911 BTC [-] {3} 
996447;1422491688;mod6;<+jurov> mod6, also it left all qt-related files in << that's weird. pm me a list of the files or dpaste 'em
996448;1422491691;mod6;plz
996449;1422491751;jurov;i may retry the 0.0.4 tomorrow, too tired (it's centos 6)
996450;1422491754;mod6;jurov looks at pruning code in utter disbelief... was thinking that everyone konws the cp --parents trick to copy files named in manifest << i /knew/ there had to be an easier way. i seem to remember asking, but anyway.
996451;1422491778;jurov;yes, i sent it
996452;1422491787;mod6;jurov: good work. we gotta get you to review this stuff all the time
996453;1422491843;jurov;i may not be always available, don't wait for me
996454;1422491870;mod6;lol, im pretty dumb
996455;1422491881;mod6;ugh, im disgusted right now
996456;1422492074;mircea_popescu;http://i.imgur.com/BXw5RxQ.gifv utility raven
996457;1422492075;assbot;Crow feeding a cat & dog. ... ( http://bit.ly/15RK9dA )
996458;1422492244;mod6;jurov: ok thanks again man, i linked your email with the fixed version & sig file to the website.
996459;1422492249;mod6;very much appreciated.
996460;1422492475;mod6;I ran it, but got an error here:
996461;1422492476;mod6;./build_0_0_5_ec263eed1e1bcba06568a86bf0817235aa42b4bb.sh: 157: Syntax error: Bad fd number
996462;1422492501;mod6;gpg --homedir $HOME/.gnupg -k >& /dev/null
996463;1422492644;jurov;interesting, your shell doesn't supprt >&
996464;1422492670;mod6;did i mention that I hate shell scripts :)
996465;1422492702;mod6;i should hvae wrote it in perl.
996466;1422492707;mod6;that's my bad
996467;1422492710;jurov;apparently it should be &>
996468;1422492712;mod6;i dunno what i was thinking
996469;1422492789;jurov;when you change it works?
996470;1422492914;*;mod6 is testing it
996471;1422492970;mod6;seems to be. i'll post the typescript
996472;1422492975;jurov;&> file (aka >& file) is not part of the official POSIX shell spec, but has been added to many Bourne shells as a convenience extension (it originally comes from csh).
996473;1422492975;gribble;Error: ">" is not a valid command.
996474;1422492976;jurov;In a portable shell script (and if you don't need portability, why are you writing a shell script?), use > file 2>&1 only
996475;1422493018;jurov;it's unix wars all again
996476;1422493102;jurov;bye
996477;1422493188;mod6;http://dpaste.com/20J4G50
996478;1422493189;assbot;dpaste: 20J4G50 ... ( http://bit.ly/1z4HKIr )
996479;1422493237;mod6;my key was in the /mnt/btc-dev/build-script-test/.gnupg, but it didn't echo out... not sure why yet.
996480;1422493240;mod6;will look
996481;1422493341;mod6;to find out, i'll comment out line 167 and run again
996482;1422493421;mod6;huh. i dunno
996483;1422493425;mod6;keys were imported tho
996484;1422493445;mod6;i'll resend to the list with the updates.
996485;1422494471;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 61400 @ 0.00042999 = 26.4014 BTC [+]
996486;1422495230;mod6;ok all set, thanks again jurov.
996487;1422495243;mod6;!rated jurov
996488;1422495243;assbot;You rated user jurov on 27-Nov-2014, with a rating of 2, and supplied these additional notes: The Bitcoin Foundation Treasurer.
996489;1422495273;mod6;!rate jurov 3 The Bitcoin Foundation Treasurer & script foo
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996491;1422495306;BingoBoingo;http://i.crackedcdn.com/phpimages/photoshop/3/3/4/364334_v1.jpg
996492;1422495308;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1z4Nyls )
996493;1422495325;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16811 @ 0.00042999 = 7.2286 BTC [+]
996494;1422495338;mod6;!v assbot:mod6.rate.jurov.3:3a2d0d3341af24537f819d7ae5ec297a3d704c8fd3e70b7ddfc18b8456389649
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996500;1422495458;asciilifeform;158125
996501;1422495463;mod6;!rate decimation 1 Tested something for me quick
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996503;1422495484;mod6;!rate danielpbarron 1 Tested something for me quick
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996505;1422495491;mod6;nice asciilifeform
996506;1422495503;asciilifeform;mod6: sorry missed your message. was in a car.
996507;1422495529;asciilifeform;ever got the thing to work ?
996508;1422495544;mod6;no worries. yeah. jurov did some magic i wouldn't have ever figured out.
996509;1422495554;asciilifeform;neato
996510;1422495565;mod6;sorry, was super busy earlier. been getting ym head kicked in this week.
996511;1422495584;asciilifeform;is there a link to the latest ?
996512;1422495606;mod6;yeah, its on the website
996513;1422495608;mod6;one sec
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996518;1422495647;mod6;!rated asciilifeform
996519;1422495647;assbot;You rated user asciilifeform on 10-Aug-2014, with a rating of 1, and supplied these additional notes: #bitcoin-assets & No Such lAbs.
996520;1422495696;mod6;!rate asciilifeform 2 Amazing builder guy. Doing cool things for The Bitcoin Foundation and No Such lAbs
996521;1422495696;assbot;AMAZING COMPANY!
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996524;1422495727;assbot;Successfully updated the rating for asciilifeform from 1 to 2 with note: Amazing builder guy. Doing cool things for The Bitcoin Foundation and No Such lAbs
996525;1422495759;mod6;who'd i miss?
996526;1422495823;asciilifeform;cut: ./chicken/bitcoin-0.5.3-no-crud.sha256.manifest: No such file or directory
996527;1422495824;asciilifeform;find: `./bitcoin-0.5.3.1': No such file or directory
996528;1422495824;asciilifeform;cat: ./chicken/bitcoin-0.5.3-no-crud.sha256.manifest: No such file or directory
996529;1422495824;asciilifeform;Error! The resulting file count after pruning did not match\n
996530;1422495824;asciilifeform;        the file count from the manifest.
996531;1422495824;asciilifeform;post-pruning: 1
996532;1422495826;asciilifeform;manifest:     0
996533;1422495991;mod6;lol
996534;1422495993;mod6;omg
996535;1422496023;mod6;ok. just hang tight, i'll just have to rewrite this thing in perl.
996536;1422496038;mod6;not right this minute or anything, but sometime in the next 2 weeks probably.
996537;1422496089;mod6;right now, i gotta figure out how to patch the test servers
996538;1422496096;mod6;and then I gotta start writing the eom docs.
996539;1422496126;asciilifeform;5 oomkills today.
996540;1422496131;mod6;after those are done, i'll revisit all of this again. i'll pull that link off the website for now..
996541;1422496150;mod6;sorry for the trouble here.
996542;1422496205;asciilifeform;mod6: might have to patch by hand for now.
996543;1422496240;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16845 @ 0.00043147 = 7.2681 BTC [+]
996544;1422496241;mod6;ok, well, the latest build guide will help you.
996545;1422496245;asciilifeform;mats: forgive me if i don't get the point of this (secrecy and deniability?). traffic can be correlated if the circuit is long-term, you tunnel a two way protocol, disruption causes retransmits, and there's noise << there were several points. i recommend reading that entire thread, well worth the time
996546;1422496246;mod6;should be version 0.0.4
996547;1422496259;mod6;anyway, i'll cross my fingers that you can get through it.
996548;1422496265;mod6;it's pretty easy.
996549;1422496283;asciilifeform;mats: point is, proposed protocol is not a circuit at all, but an arbitrarily delay-tolerant 'mailboxer.'
996550;1422496288;mod6;just make /sure/ to patch in the specified order.
996551;1422496314;mats;ok
996552;1422496314;mod6;let me see what I can do about a perl script quick.
996553;1422496319;mod6;maybe i can whip something out
996554;1422496326;asciilifeform;mats: and given that authentication happens on receipt of first packet - with antireplay nonce - unscannable for (you can't tell if a machine is a brick, a live box refusing to relay ping, or a gossip-udp node)
996555;1422496473;asciilifeform;http://cryptome.org/2015/01/brown-105.pdf << mega-lol
996556;1422496474;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1yAefZU )
996557;1422496517;asciilifeform;reveals that only 20 of his 56 'sentence points' came from the youtube thing.
996558;1422496615;asciilifeform;'With respect to Defendant�s inquiry during the January 16, 2015 sentencing hearing regarding the return of his copy of the Declaration of Independence, Defendant�s counsel acknowledged that this is one of the items that Defendant agreed to forfeit as part of his Plea Agreement. Upon further reflection, however, the court can think of no reason why Defendant should have to forfeit his copy of the Declaration of Independenc
996559;1422496615;asciilifeform;e, as it was not used to commit any of the crimes of which he was convicted or used in conjunction with any of these crimes. Thus, notwithstanding the agreement between the parties, the court declines to accept the portion of the Plea Agreement that requires Defendant to forfeit his copy of the Declaration of Independence. Accordingly, the court orders the Government to return Defendant�s copy of the Declaration of Independe
996560;1422496615;asciilifeform;nce to his counsel within ten (10) days of the date of this order.'
996561;1422496618;asciilifeform;^^^^^^^
996562;1422496619;mats;http://www.naftemporiki.gr/finance/athexTreemap << athens market tanks 9% following disclosure of Tsipras' genius plan
996563;1422496621;assbot;Χάρτης της αγοράς (Heatmap) | Χρηματιστήριο Αθηνών | naftemporiki.gr ... ( http://bit.ly/1yAeYub )
996564;1422496634;asciilifeform;^ i put this here because it is a mega-lol that ought to be recited at the hangings.
996565;1422496646;asciilifeform;(theirs - or ours - whichever comes first)
996566;1422496845;mike_c;is this some kind of stupid joke?  debian takes 8 DVD's to install?
996567;1422496871;mike_c;oh, plus two update dvd's.  an even 10 is nice i guess.
996568;1422496873;asciilifeform;wat
996569;1422496883;mike_c;http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/archive/6.0.10/amd64/iso-dvd/
996570;1422496884;assbot;Index of /cdimage/archive/6.0.10/amd64/iso-dvd ... ( http://bit.ly/1yAg4WO )
996571;1422497031;mike_c;whatever.  so much for learning something new today.  back to a more familiar distro.
996572;1422497033;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21000 @ 0.00042866 = 9.0019 BTC [-] {2} 
996573;1422497059;trinque;mike_c: no, that's including loads of packages
996574;1422497075;trinque;there's a mini install iso that's on the order of megs
996575;1422497098;mike_c;and it works?  the other 40 gigs is just crap?
996576;1422497131;asciilifeform;mike_c: offline installables, for when you're flying to alpha centauri or whatnot
996577;1422497139;trinque;its some subset of or the whole apt collection
996578;1422497169;mike_c;interesting.  ok.  i guess i'll give it a whirl.
996579;1422497186;*;BingoBoingo will never understand Debian sanely assuming someone assuming someone may want it for space travel, while also thinking someone would take systemd onto a spaceship
996580;1422497205;asciilifeform;i have no idea for what
996581;1422497215;asciilifeform;it seems to be a custom left over from the days of 9600 baud
996582;1422497234;asciilifeform;who here used ftp.cdrom.com ?
996583;1422497235;trinque;airdropped into africa!
996584;1422497280;asciilifeform;was an ftp full of nice stuff, that one could never get quite enough of, and consequently was tempted to buy the disk
996585;1422497287;asciilifeform;(they conveniently packaged it)
996586;1422497319;asciilifeform;aka 'walnut creek cdrom.'
996587;1422497342;asciilifeform;https://www.freebsdmall.com/cgi-bin/fm/history.html
996588;1422497344;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1yAi01r )
996589;1422497346;*;BingoBoingo remembers browing linuxiso.???
996590;1422497473;asciilifeform;jurov: can that lxr thing crap out html for offline viewing by any chance ?
996591;1422498014;mircea_popescu;!up GodHatesFigs
996592;1422498870;asciilifeform;162160
996593;1422499776;mircea_popescu;;;bc,stats
996594;1422499781;gribble;Current Blocks: 340937 | Current Difficulty: 4.127287389469702E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 342719 | Next Difficulty In: 1782 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 4 days, 0 hours, and 0 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 46118990047.6 | Estimated Percent Change: 11.74165
996595;1422499787;mircea_popescu;almsot there eh ? :D
996596;1422499796;asciilifeform;oomkill every half hour or so
996597;1422499805;asciilifeform;might need to plug that leak before these sail.
996598;1422499822;asciilifeform;it isn't a memory leak in the usual sense
996599;1422499835;asciilifeform;http://btc.yt/lxr/satoshi/source/src/main.cpp?v=0.5.3.1#1466 << here
996600;1422499836;assbot;Satoshi 0.5.3.1/src/main.cpp ... ( http://bit.ly/1ByMgOR )
996601;1422499845;asciilifeform;(and previous threads. but now with nice jurov concordance)
996602;1422499850;mircea_popescu;mike_c: whatever. so much for learning something new today. back to a more familiar distro. << debian past sarge suffers from bitcoin past 0.5 problem
996603;1422499860;mircea_popescu;i dunno anyone using it seriously - the sort of derps that'd want that moved to ubuntu anyway
996604;1422499864;asciilifeform;the mapOrphanBlocks shitpile never gets flushed.
996605;1422499880;mircea_popescu;yeah that's likely it.
996606;1422499886;asciilifeform;provably it.
996607;1422499891;asciilifeform;http://dpaste.com/1T8RSCJ
996608;1422499893;assbot;dpaste: 1T8RSCJ: shit ... ( http://bit.ly/1ByMm96 )
996609;1422499905;asciilifeform;(threw that here a while ago)
996610;1422499943;asciilifeform;did anyone ever conclusively identify the first bitcoind release that didn't leak like a sieve ?
996611;1422499976;thestringpuller;none of them?
996612;1422499981;mircea_popescu;it never existed.
996613;1422499988;thestringpuller;d00d its fucking MSVC code
996614;1422499990;asciilifeform;thestringpuller, mircea_popescu - not so
996615;1422499991;thestringpuller;da fuck you expect?
996616;1422499998;asciilifeform;thestringpuller: wat
996617;1422500008;thestringpuller;v 0.1 was written with Visual C++
996618;1422500013;asciilifeform;ah that
996619;1422500030;mircea_popescu;it was to be fixed "eventually". power rangers still not got around to it.
996620;1422500045;thestringpuller;they'll just run valgrind until it tells them its okay
996621;1422500052;asciilifeform;i have a 0.8.6 node running continuously with no leakage
996622;1422500063;asciilifeform;during chain load or otherwise
996623;1422500089;asciilifeform;although come to think of it, it inherited its blocks from earlier one
996624;1422500096;mircea_popescu;oh you meant first that way ?
996625;1422500101;asciilifeform;aha
996626;1422500107;mircea_popescu;it's not really deterministic best i can tell
996627;1422500116;mircea_popescu;and im not spending man hours on dead branches.
996628;1422500130;asciilifeform;only to see what changed
996629;1422500152;asciilifeform;looking at recent releases, found that the whole orphans mechanism was screwed with to the point of unrecognizability
996630;1422500166;asciilifeform;'glue with broken glass'
996631;1422500175;mircea_popescu;yep
996632;1422500191;asciilifeform;almost like these folks specifically anticipated what we are doing here.
996633;1422500208;asciilifeform;and didn't much care to see it go easily
996634;1422500208;mircea_popescu;well, no, actually yhat's it : they have been trying to break it, and irretrievably so.
996635;1422500219;mircea_popescu;they hadn't anticipated exactly how easy it is to get killed doing it.
996636;1422500318;mircea_popescu;and to think, two years of effort, gone. all those "salaries", suddenly unjustified.
996637;1422500331;mircea_popescu;all the pissy handlers. all the impatient phone calls. the embarassment of the recent fed paper.
996638;1422500340;mircea_popescu;if only nightmares could scream.
996639;1422500699;*;trinque reaches the top of the pile, switches to deedbot dev
996640;1422501170;BingoBoingo;So many mega lulz in the Barret Brown pile
996641;1422501221;BingoBoingo;http://sanfrancisco.cbslocal.com/2015/01/28/san-francisco-deputy-public-defender-detained-for-intervening-between-police-and-her-client/
996642;1422501223;assbot;San Francisco Deputy Public Defender Arrested For Intervening Between Police And Her Client « CBS San Francisco ... ( http://bit.ly/1v7bDYU )
996643;1422501303;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10262 @ 0.00043147 = 4.4277 BTC [+]
996644;1422501323;BingoBoingo;Also Matonis spreading the @qntra tweets over and over again, not back to back... https://twitter.com/jonmatonis
996645;1422501325;assbot;Jon Matonis (@jonmatonis) | Twitter ... ( http://bit.ly/1v7bTXK )
996646;1422501356;*;BingoBoingo wonders when he will realize... he can submit writing too as he atones for that unfortunate Foundation episode...
996647;1422501384;pete_dushenski;matonis is a pretty strong writer too
996648;1422501512;*;BingoBoingo anticipates though a Matonis submits a piece to qntra BitBet would fall in the BadBets pile.
996649;1422501643;pete_dushenski;just plunk down a coin on one side or the other and away you go
996650;1422501733;BingoBoingo;pete_dushenski: Nah, funding obvious badbets is what kicks the Bitbet mixer into action. And BitBet mixer is best mixer
996651;1422501813;BingoBoingo;1+1=99
996652;1422501823;pete_dushenski;i guess i'm more of a gambling man
996653;1422501866;pete_dushenski;or at least the kind of (young) man that finds claims more interesting when there's something at stake
996654;1422502122;mike_c;;;seen mod6
996655;1422502122;gribble;mod6 was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 1 hour, 36 minutes, and 43 seconds ago: <mod6> maybe i can whip something out
996656;1422502137;ben_vulpes;OH GOOD EVENING
996657;1422502155;*;ben_vulpes sees "glue with broken glass" in scrollback
996658;1422502160;BingoBoingo;pete_dushenski: Well, the Serena William match starts in about an hour. Australian Open semifinals. Plenty of time to find a shady book.
996659;1422502182;pete_dushenski;you betting on black BingoBoingo ?
996660;1422502186;BingoBoingo;Odds are favorable for betting the underdog.
996661;1422502194;BingoBoingo;I am betting on not Serena.
996662;1422502203;mod6;im workin on it
996663;1422502208;ben_vulpes;<asciilifeform> [] looking at recent releases, found that the whole orphans mechanism was screwed with to the point of unrecognizability << most everything
996664;1422502218;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 40700 @ 0.00043255 = 17.6048 BTC [+] {2} 
996665;1422502228;ben_vulpes;although interestingly recently the asshats were making fun of linux committers for calling "large refactors" "antisocial"
996666;1422502246;mike_c;hey mod6, were you able to get libdb4.8 with apt-get?
996667;1422502250;BingoBoingo;pete_dushenski: Yes Serena can win, but... odd suggest otherwise even though I'd prefer a different opponent to bet on.
996668;1422502267;ben_vulpes;mike_c: in my experiments i had to manually download the 4.8 sources.
996669;1422502268;mike_c;or did you have to download it directly
996670;1422502286;ben_vulpes;this is why i pushed for deb 6 as our build target
996671;1422502292;ben_vulpes;then..."ghost".
996672;1422502293;mike_c;well, i just installed deb 6
996673;1422502306;ben_vulpes;how are you handling the ghost vulnerability?
996674;1422502317;mike_c;i'll deal with that tomorrow.  one problem at a time :)
996675;1422502326;ben_vulpes;i'm reluctant to include patches for deb 6 in the "fundation"'s domain.
996676;1422502331;BingoBoingo;<ben_vulpes> this is why i pushed for deb 6 as our build target << I though a lesson of Pogo is cheap was any sane *nix is target
996677;1422502347;ben_vulpes;oh all *nixen are the same nao?
996678;1422502398;*;ben_vulpes doesn't know anything about anything
996679;1422502417;ben_vulpes;or perhaps message is that deb is not sane nix
996680;1422502425;ben_vulpes;an argument i've no basis to contest
996681;1422502436;mike_c;i blame the foundation.  i'm following your noob guide.
996682;1422502453;ben_vulpes;gtfo ghost is less than a week old
996683;1422502470;BingoBoingo;ben_vulpes: It's that something that works on one *nix the right way should work on most of them.
996684;1422502492;ben_vulpes;<nubbins`> straight up, do this properly & foundation could significantly fill its coffers << hey might not even have to foot the bill for con4 whaddaya think mod6 ;P
996685;1422502500;nubbins`;;D
996686;1422502524;ben_vulpes;i must confess to not having worked through ascii's hateful tar yet
996687;1422502539;*;ben_vulpes cracks the archive
996688;1422502798;ben_vulpes;!up happyfr0gg
996689;1422502820;asciilifeform;had to manually download the 4.8 sources << for my crossdev buildatron, you have to.
996690;1422502823;BingoBoingo;pete_dushenski: Ah it is some American girl named Keys my money is on.
996691;1422502852;asciilifeform;debian << it's distro-agnostic, incidentally
996692;1422502852;BingoBoingo;pete_dushenski: Just beat the other Williams sister too.
996693;1422502864;asciilifeform;(buildatron, that is)
996694;1422502903;BingoBoingo;pete_dushenski: http://espn.go.com/tennis/aus15/story/_/id/12239844/2015-australian-open-women-quarterfinals
996695;1422502904;assbot;2015 Australian Open -- Women's quarterfinals - ESPN ... ( http://bit.ly/1v7fXHK )
996696;1422502904;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: tar << self-explanatory in the comments
996697;1422502942;ben_vulpes;indeed. i'm enjoying reading your work.
996698;1422502953;asciilifeform;lol, it's a sh script
996699;1422502957;asciilifeform;not much there.
996700;1422502958;asciilifeform;but works.
996701;1422502967;ben_vulpes;okay! i'm off for a few - going to hack on deedbot with trinque nao
996702;1422502971;asciilifeform;when used as prescribed (tm)
996703;1422503249;pete_dushenski;BingoBoingo: odds?
996704;1422503289;BingoBoingo;pete_dushenski: I got in at about 5.5 time my stake this afternoon.
996705;1422503308;*;BingoBoingo doesn't want to endorse any shady non-BitBet book in chan
996706;1422503344;pete_dushenski;that's a healthy slope
996707;1422503407;pete_dushenski;heck, i'd offer 5:1 for 0.1 btc
996708;1422503412;BingoBoingo;Well Anything less than 10 when facing Serena has been +ev for me. I tend to bet just enough to raise the projected winning to around and even BTC. This time though I went smaller
996709;1422503434;pete_dushenski;^anyone may take
996710;1422503445;*;BingoBoingo prefers making these bets on the shady books for the purpose of rescuing BTC from less responsible hands
996711;1422503646;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo help the guy get in the wot, why not.
996712;1422503809;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: The invitation's been extended on a platform he monitors (Twatter). If he wants in it is his turn to move.
996713;1422503822;mircea_popescu;<ben_vulpes> okay! i'm off for a few - going to hack on deedbot with trinque nao  < ?! lol
996714;1422503850;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo works
996715;1422503992;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: If Matonis is more comfortable tweeting qntra articles and hanging around the margins, he knows the invite is out there. As much as the Vessennes episode seemed to burn him I can not fault him if he wants to take some time before committing to allegiances in the future. Especially since being older, but not yet a codger he likely has ropes to contend with.
996716;1422504017;mircea_popescu;sure.
996717;1422504029;mike_c;would be nice if this script wasn't polluted with html tags.. http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2015-January/000031.html
996718;1422504029;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1wCCWnX )
996719;1422504061;mircea_popescu;"The #OWS demo wants to see powerful men humbled before the t-shirted, tweeting masses, it allows them the fantasy that it could some day happen here, which it won't because the propaganda worked."
996720;1422504067;mircea_popescu;ha-HA! it will, because we happened.
996721;1422504090;mircea_popescu;except, it won't be men in usg-blue shirts humbled before tshirted croc wearing crowd,
996722;1422504102;mircea_popescu;it will be both, before pornmonging physchopats etc.
996723;1422504109;asciilifeform;gotta ask,
996724;1422504112;asciilifeform;what is a 'croc' ?
996725;1422504117;mircea_popescu;bad plastic shoes
996726;1422504117;asciilifeform;crock of shit ?
996727;1422504119;asciilifeform;lol
996728;1422504124;mircea_popescu;if you recall the soviet vairant, you know why it's so funny.
996729;1422504132;asciilifeform;aha.
996730;1422504147;pete_dushenski;"comfiest shoes ever"
996731;1422504152;pete_dushenski;also "ugliest"
996732;1422504153;mircea_popescu;(it's almost exactly the same, minus the exact cutouts - much like the recent "3d fad" is exactly the 80s same thing, rehashed"
996733;1422504170;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 79550 @ 0.000434 = 34.5247 BTC [+] {3} 
996734;1422504172;asciilifeform;'history rhymes'
996735;1422504200;lobbes;mircea_popescu: thanks for exposing me to tlp. I especially enjoyed 'hipsters on foodstamps'
996736;1422504218;BingoBoingo;<asciilifeform> what is a 'croc' ? << Plastic clog footwear sold in mall walkways. Watchstand I worked at has a croc dealer as a neighbor. Things seem practical as an alternative shoe for some kinds of boating and little else.
996737;1422504230;mircea_popescu;lobbes i dun recall who invented him here. mebbe bb ?
996738;1422504275;BingoBoingo;I might have. If I did it was prolly the rum fountain episode that so enamoured TheNewDeal
996739;1422504295;BingoBoingo;Look at the bug wandering into future amber https://twitter.com/aarontimms/status/560460331097792512
996740;1422504297;assbot;This critique of /yanisvaroufakis is way less convincing than Varoufakis's critique of bitcoin. http://t.co/HFangftMNf
996741;1422504342;BingoBoingo;!up toddf
996742;1422504376;mircea_popescu;yeah well, apple pie is probably a lot more convincing than working out.
996743;1422504383;mircea_popescu;"convincing" is not a criterion.
996744;1422504390;asciilifeform;re: mapOrphanBlocks: there is some confusion of terminology in the source. the orphan blocks in question are not the orphan blocks spoken of usually (i.e. blocks on dead ends of the tree) but rather any block for which the antecedent is not yet loaded by the node
996745;1422504409;asciilifeform;hence the nondeterminism. the blocks arrive in braindamaged order and are not sorted in any intelligent way
996746;1422504421;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo "I write about finance for Institutional Investor and sport and other stuff for The Guardian. In January I'll be directing @dissrupt2015."
996747;1422504424;mircea_popescu;derp.
996748;1422504426;asciilifeform;nor does is fetching mechanism steered
996749;1422504441;mircea_popescu;when your enemy says this ain't convincing you just scored.
996750;1422504443;asciilifeform;and wtf is with the two entirely disjoint concepts named 'orphan'
996751;1422504462;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform oyu don't understand how the world works!!1
996752;1422504480;asciilifeform;i'm assuming everybody else here who read the thing, was stumped similarly
996753;1422504490;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: Well Slate is conviced housing will boost Merica's economy instead of America's housing customs coalescing into multi-generational domiciles common in much of the unbezzel'd world http://www.slate.com/blogs/moneybox/2015/01/28/millennials_living_with_parents_we_just_can_t_leave_the_nest_apparently.html
996754;1422504493;assbot;Millennials living with parents: We just can't leave the nest apparently ... ( http://bit.ly/1wCDYAl )
996755;1422504512;mircea_popescu;"we're just seeking a power structure"
996756;1422504515;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: actually!
996757;1422504555;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: the town where i live is being slowly converted into gigantic sov-style communal flats (officially, 'student housing', in practice - they will live their whole lives therein)
996758;1422504578;asciilifeform;that great invention, communal flat, has won over the americans.
996759;1422504627;asciilifeform;four bois/gurlz to a flat, room each, one shitter, one kitchenette, tv pit.
996760;1422504658;mircea_popescu;clearly the american dream has won out : they live now like the romanian girls i used to fuck in the 80s.
996761;1422504666;mircea_popescu;such victory of socialism.
996762;1422504719;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: Happens here too. Also common are parents who overbought house a decade ago apportioning space to their adult spawn to use as residence. One family I know Daughter has upstairs, son basement, deedholders floor 1. Much of their subdivisions households have similarly organized.
996763;1422504735;asciilifeform;the variant described above is the 'luxury' btw.
996764;1422504749;BingoBoingo;Of course
996765;1422504753;asciilifeform;for those with slightly less-loaded parents, same arrangement informally, with higher density
996766;1422504755;asciilifeform;and more vermin
996767;1422504756;punkman;^ super common around here
996768;1422504768;asciilifeform;in converted victorian houses
996769;1422504796;asciilifeform;i saw the insides of a few, when peeking around to rent a house last year
996770;1422504800;mircea_popescu;clearly, the rich are very very affraid of this scum.
996771;1422504804;asciilifeform;(ended up with a normal one)
996772;1422504807;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: You only get converted victorian houses there because your region has a history of being populated.
996773;1422504819;mike_c;mod6: you interested in feedback on this script?
996774;1422504834;mircea_popescu;let us now wonder and inquire and soulsearch as to why-oh-why tuberculosis, syphilis and lice are on the raise in san francisco
996775;1422504840;asciilifeform;it was a mindfuck. went to see this one place, it had... 8 bois/gurlz
996776;1422504845;mircea_popescu;you know, the "silicon valley"
996777;1422504853;asciilifeform;owner introduces, says, 'this fella wants the place'
996778;1422504859;asciilifeform;they 'which room'
996779;1422504866;mircea_popescu;lol
996780;1422504866;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: In this region that flavor is still mostly confined to close proximity to universities.
996781;1422504867;asciilifeform;me: 'what room'
996782;1422504874;punkman;hah
996783;1422504880;asciilifeform;it had the oddest heater i've ever seen
996784;1422504887;asciilifeform;something quite like a jet engine, mounted in the cellar
996785;1422504896;asciilifeform;blowing through a grate in floors one and two
996786;1422504900;asciilifeform;vertically.
996787;1422504909;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform now tell me that taking the whole raft/8pack of dumbass chickies on a dogfoot pellets / leather belts and canes diet isn't somnething THEY should pay you for.
996788;1422504915;asciilifeform;you stand on the grate and peer in the fiery abyss.
996789;1422504931;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: lol i wasn't thinking of subleasing them
996790;1422504939;mircea_popescu;jus' sayin'.
996791;1422504941;asciilifeform;they'd be out on their arses
996792;1422504948;BingoBoingo;<asciilifeform> blowing through a grate in floors one and two << Rather common in the middle west in houses converted from boiler radiator arrangement to "central heat"
996793;1422504954;mircea_popescu;and yet these are the derps going on about "intrinsic worth" on reddit.
996794;1422504957;asciilifeform;but i didn't take that building, owner refused to carry out construction work i wanted.
996795;1422504962;mircea_popescu;it'd better be *intrinsic* knamean ?
996796;1422505026;asciilifeform;lol!
996797;1422505046;asciilifeform;it was surreal, seeing how these folks each live in room the size of toilet in my old flat
996798;1422505063;mircea_popescu;one has trouble comprehending why the "conferences" are so exciting
996799;1422505069;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: But they all have CentiPads
996800;1422505071;asciilifeform;and with tv each, some books (all school-related, counted), titanic piles of clothing forming a kind of underbrush in each
996801;1422505078;mircea_popescu;then one goes into their dwellings, and understands why catered rubber chicken is a step up
996802;1422505086;asciilifeform;aha.
996803;1422505097;asciilifeform;most zoologically educational experience i had in years.
996804;1422505121;BingoBoingo;<mircea_popescu> then one goes into their dwellings, and understands why catered rubber chicken is a step up << the same 8 to an initially clean hotel room to them counts as luxury
996805;1422505287;BingoBoingo;Note in the slate article the differential between Boys and Girls moving back in with the parents. A surprising part of the differential is girls moving in with the boy's parents.
996806;1422505304;mike_c;well look at that.  http://i.imgur.com/B9Kq467.png  thanks foundation!
996807;1422505305;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1v7mces )
996808;1422505312;mike_c;relatively painless.
996809;1422505329;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 79300 @ 0.00043257 = 34.3028 BTC [-]
996810;1422505424;asciilifeform;'Right now, the U.S. household formation rate (essentailly the pace at which people, typically young adults, are moving out on their own) is incredibly low. When it speeds up, you'll see more demand for housing, and the things that come along with it, like appliances, furniture, televisions, and so forth. So, you know, just think of this graph as increasing potential.' << mega-lol!
996811;1422505495;asciilifeform;~= 'think of this sinking titanic as increasing potential! when it hits the bottom of the sea, it will inevitably bounce up, with such strength that it will fly to the moon !111!'
996812;1422505752;mod6;it's coming....
996813;1422505777;asciilifeform;well, it half-works.
996814;1422505794;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=20-08-2014#802309
996815;1422505794;assbot;Logged on 20-08-2014 06:37:37; asciilifeform: soviet scientist declares, 'we've invented a shit-to-food converter.' 'does it work?' 'sorta. spreading on bread: worlks!!11! eating - not quite yet.'
996816;1422505914;asciilifeform;from my understanding, u.s. civilian real estate chumpmeisters are split into two camps - the optimists, who intend to buy the old folks' homes using 'reverse mortgages' - pensions, appealing to folks with destroyed or absent savings, which bargain away the property - and then sell them back to young chumps;
996817;1422505927;asciilifeform;and realists, who are building kommunalki.
996818;1422505988;asciilifeform;the latter, in the initial designs are laughably low-density - but can always be packed tighter.
996819;1422505997;asciilifeform;and tighter.
996820;1422506000;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 45900 @ 0.00042991 = 19.7329 BTC [-] {2} 
996821;1422506051;mircea_popescu;wd mike_c :D
996822;1422506054;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform ^ someone did it eh
996823;1422506070;mike_c;only couple minor mods to the foundation script were needed
996824;1422506076;asciilifeform;mike_c: what that mod6's script, or mine ?
996825;1422506084;mike_c;mod6
996826;1422506086;asciilifeform;aha
996827;1422506161;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform dishonestly is by now so much the way of life in the us that no sane businessman intending to sell slum dwellings can possibly proceed in any other manner than by pretending it's low density.
996828;1422506172;asciilifeform;aha, how else.
996829;1422506192;mircea_popescu;like that, it works. but god help him if he did something like "tight housing for poor folks like you"
996830;1422506199;mircea_popescu;burned at stake.
996831;1422506224;mircea_popescu;!up testsasdfqwer
996832;1422506225;asciilifeform;no one paints 'gasenwagen' on the van. they paint 'kaiser kaffee'.
996833;1422506242;pete_dushenski;mike_c: what tweaks did it take to get it going on deb6?
996834;1422506275;mike_c;had to manual download and dpkg the libdb4.8 packages
996835;1422506305;mike_c;a few of the gpg lines had an extraneous dash in them that was causing error
996836;1422506351;mike_c;and the script could only be run once because it fails if it doesn't import the 3 keys, which only happens the first itme you run it
996837;1422506360;mike_c;but all in all, worked like a champ.
996838;1422506379;pete_dushenski;sweet. wd
996839;1422506393;mircea_popescu;mike_c what is this running on ? pc ?
996840;1422506407;mike_c;yup
996841;1422506416;mircea_popescu;cool.
996842;1422506444;mike_c;i absolutely love how little code there is and how fast it built.  feels right, as opposed to monstrous build process for recent codebases.
996843;1422506452;mircea_popescu;ayup.
996844;1422506459;mircea_popescu;foundation definitely going the right path.
996845;1422506475;asciilifeform;as opposed to monstrous build process for recent codebases << gnu autoconf is the culprit 99%
996846;1422506479;asciilifeform;of the time.
996847;1422506508;decimation;re: walnut creek < I remember.  I also remember when you could get shareware by mailorder catalog - on floppies
996848;1422506518;mircea_popescu;pre gates.
996849;1422506521;asciilifeform;autoconf, what a sad joke. so often dwarfs the proggy it's distributed with!
996850;1422506590;mod6;mike_c: \o/ neat pic :)
996851;1422506610;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 69200 @ 0.00042441 = 29.3692 BTC [-] {2} 
996852;1422506616;asciilifeform;decimation: i admit to having been mildly surprised to learn today that ftp.cdrom.com vanished years ago. i sorta expected some shrivelled, mummufied husk to still be there.
996853;1422506662;asciilifeform;the evil things of that time - all are still there, in some zombie form (aol, yahoo, microshit)
996854;1422506695;asciilifeform;the bright things - vanished
996855;1422506697;mircea_popescu;https://www.quantcast.com/qntra.net << so as the trafic grows, the women and aa demographics continue to shrink.
996856;1422506698;assbot;                  Qntra.net Traffic and Demographic Statistics by Quantcast                   ... ( http://bit.ly/1yTZAP9 )
996857;1422506700;asciilifeform;who remembers the finnish ftp search engine?
996858;1422506705;decimation;ibiblio is still around
996859;1422506705;asciilifeform;nothing like it was built again
996860;1422506712;asciilifeform;(i'd love to know why)
996861;1422506751;*;decimation got internet in 1994, only had bbs before that
996862;1422506791;*;decimation feels sorry for kids who grew up with the internet and guis
996863;1422506892;BingoBoingo;!up Rozal
996864;1422506971;lobbes;decimation: worse is the kids today growing up with iTurds attached to their hands
996865;1422507024;decimation;lobbes: indeed.  born consumers
996866;1422507034;BingoBoingo;<lobbes> decimation: worse is the kids today growing up with iTurds attached to their hands << Or people who because of persistent other interest feel themselves trapped in "consumer" platform
996867;1422507051;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: wat ?
996868;1422507084;decimation;re: autoconf << horrible.  whoever thought it was a good idea to write 'magic autoconfigure' in 'm4' ought to be negrated
996869;1422507098;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: Music typesetting, Video editting, and other hobby pursuits tend to be adventures that lock people into Winshit or Mac shit for too long
996870;1422507122;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: just about everyone knows an 'arts type' with his photoshit
996871;1422507138;decimation;video editing may be, but there are plenty of perfectly functional music typesetting add-ons for TeX
996872;1422507153;mike_c;lol.  the "other" foundation also had a 0.5.3.1 release
996873;1422507153;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: Right.
996874;1422507157;asciilifeform;decimation: typesetting - not sequencing
996875;1422507181;asciilifeform;(a sequencer typically has provisions for playback, and entry from external device)
996876;1422507189;BingoBoingo;^ Yes
996877;1422507201;asciilifeform;as well as moving, well, sequences, around.
996878;1422507202;*;decimation believes that a dedicated machine ought to handle both of those functions
996879;1422507213;*;decimation remembers editing video on 'video toaster'
996880;1422507277;BingoBoingo;For music there are dedicated machines. Just... when composing writing to staff paper analogue and playing back is a huge timesaver when getting the headmusic out.
996881;1422507322;Rozal;Thank you BingoBoingo
996882;1422507365;decimation;just because one edits videos on a computer doesn't the same hardware must also be used to surf the web
996883;1422507371;BingoBoingo;Rozal: Still neither removing my rating or engaging you in private discussion... ever
996884;1422507404;Rozal;No worries, I'm here to listen and participate. I used to trade assets in the btct days
996885;1422507422;asciilifeform;decimation: with the disappearance of forced use of tape to push the requisite bit heaps, no longer any reason for dedicated 'video computer'
996886;1422507434;asciilifeform;aside from the twirly-knobs
996887;1422507451;mike_c;asciilifeform:  https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/2353#issuecomment-14806541
996888;1422507453;assbot;bitcoin-qt out-of-virtual-address-space problem · Issue #2353 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1ByXToV )
996889;1422507465;mike_c;"Since 0.9.0 the number of orphan blocks that is stored has been restricted, so this immediate issue should be fixed."
996890;1422507512;asciilifeform;why the fuck does it even fetch block n when n-1 is not present ?
996891;1422507521;asciilifeform;who conceived of this, and on what drug
996892;1422507525;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33800 @ 0.00043859 = 14.8243 BTC [+] {2} 
996893;1422507540;BingoBoingo;https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/2tz3xr/new_coinbase_bitcoin_exchange_is_the_best_one_yet/co4bd1x
996894;1422507543;assbot;nobodybelievesyou comments on New Coinbase Bitcoin Exchange Is the Best One Yet ... ( http://bit.ly/1ByY03W )
996895;1422507550;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: SPEED!!!
996896;1422507583;asciilifeform;more like retardation
996897;1422507596;asciilifeform;(what kind of dope is a direct opposite of 'speed' ?)
996898;1422507616;asciilifeform;chlorpromazine ?
996899;1422507624;BingoBoingo;Close
996900;1422507672;BingoBoingo;Clozapine is probably closer to an exact opposite
996901;1422507705;BingoBoingo;Either that or good old vitamin H
996902;1422507706;asciilifeform;https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chlorpromazine#mediaviewer/File:Thorazine_advert.jpg << lol!
996903;1422507710;assbot;Chlorpromazine - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ... ( http://bit.ly/1ByYeIj )
996904;1422507754;*;BingoBoingo uses the traditional vitamin H, haloperidol as an example not pop culture Horse drug
996905;1422507904;decimation;"like that, it works. but god help him if he did something like "tight housing for poor folks like you"" << most us cities have zoning rules specifically banning multiple occupants, multiple buildings, converting house to apartment, etc
996906;1422507939;decimation;most even have rules requiring a minimum floor size
996907;1422507975;mike_c;so the "fix" was to limit the # of orphan blocks to 750.  if that size is exceeded, delete random orphan block from the pool as long as it has no other orphans depending on it.
996908;1422507978;asciilifeform;yes. every major population centre.
996909;1422507987;asciilifeform;but in practice there are 'grandfathered exceptions' etc
996910;1422507995;asciilifeform;because you gotta put all those warm bodies somewhere
996911;1422508009;asciilifeform;and (at least presently) the white kidz can't be placed just anywhere
996912;1422508013;decimation;asciilifeform: in the tenements owned by the rulemakers of course
996913;1422508114;cazalla;get home from holidays, bouncer autojoins #b-a and our friendly ddosser caught me slippin'
996914;1422508121;BingoBoingo;AH
996915;1422508543;cazalla;;;rate rozal -10 alleged that i stole bitcoin from him, fabricated logs and confessed to doing so, avoid at all costs - my logs here http://qntra.net/rozal.txt
996916;1422508543;assbot;Page not found | Qntra.net ... ( http://bit.ly/1ByZdZ9 )
996917;1422508544;gribble;Rating entry successful. Your rating for user rozal has changed from -3 to -10.
996918;1422508557;cazalla;fucking cunt put a dent in the first day of my holiday
996919;1422508656;Rozal;Yawn
996920;1422508674;Rozal;Doesn't effect my business :)
996921;1422508694;BingoBoingo;!up GoldenVizions
996922;1422508705;cazalla;it will when you go beyond nickles and dimes Rozal
996923;1422508765;BingoBoingo;!up Rozal
996924;1422508803;Rozal;Anyways, I think the matter is closed and I don't wish to create more drama
996925;1422508886;BingoBoingo;https://imgur.com/gallery/qzM4Mn9
996926;1422508888;assbot;                    I'm not even mad, I'm just impressed. - Imgur ... ( http://bit.ly/1ByZD1q )
996927;1422508916;asciilifeform;if there's one thing ancient wots had over ours, it was branding.
996928;1422508924;asciilifeform;not the idiot american marketing term
996929;1422508926;asciilifeform;but branding.
996930;1422508928;asciilifeform;as in, hot iron.
996931;1422508942;asciilifeform;as a pill against 'it won't affect my business'
996932;1422508948;BingoBoingo;!b 3
996933;1422508948;assbot;Last 3 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/2RGJDK9.txt )
996934;1422509058;asciilifeform;just picture the sizzling iron, 'S' for sp4mz0r, ...
996935;1422509075;asciilifeform;tsssh-ssss.
996936;1422509090;BingoBoingo;I will admit to "imagining"
996937;1422509173;mod6;on the last part...
996938;1422509217;mike_c;ok, took out the memory caching of orphans.  i'll leave it running overnight and see what the memory looks like in the morning.
996939;1422509233;BingoBoingo;Saying one's business is unaffected though is almost always a tacit admission one's business prospects have been affected.
996940;1422509245;BingoBoingo;;;rated Rozal
996941;1422509246;gribble;You rated user Rozal on Mon Jan 19 12:09:29 2015, with a rating of -10, and supplied these additional notes: Fabricated theft allegations http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/Rozal_allegation Confessed http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=19-01-2015#983318 Full Indictment http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/Rozal_Indictment.
996942;1422509246;asciilifeform;mike_c: unless you were very careful, node may have problems receiving newly born blocks.
996943;1422509297;mike_c;i was not careful.  question that will be potentially answered:  was that the only thing bloating the memory as we stroll from block 150k to 300k.
996944;1422509313;Rozal;Hmm, so your implying that it has effected my business
996945;1422509325;Rozal;affected*
996946;1422509416;Rozal;I use otc for small trades, and haven't had a single bad trade. I think I'll be alright
996947;1422509467;BingoBoingo;The world does not merely exist in the present as people fretting about future memory exhaustion demonstrate.
996948;1422509491;cazalla;anyways, i bbl, need some sleep after long drive
996949;1422509540;mircea_popescu;o look at that, it's a cazalla!
996950;1422509845;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2589 @ 0.00043899 = 1.1365 BTC [+]
996951;1422509848;asciilifeform;169763
996952;1422510394;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4601 @ 0.0004398 = 2.0235 BTC [+]
996953;1422510400;mod6;damn. literally on the last step here.
996954;1422510419;mod6;but apparently you have to be in the src dir to execute the `make -f makefile.unix` successfully.
996955;1422510482;mod6;maybe i can use this chdir thing
996956;1422510600;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: on rereading log - that jet engine heater - exists elsewhere ?!
996957;1422510609;*;asciilifeform wants to see photos of it
996958;1422510615;*;asciilifeform thought it was unique to that one dump
996959;1422510707;BingoBoingo;not "jet engine" shape, but upblowing furnace not uncommon http://www.alpinehomeair.com/viewcategory.cfm?CategoryID=127
996960;1422510708;assbot;Standard Forced Air Furnaces ... ( http://bit.ly/1uDHScf )
996961;1422510722;asciilifeform;eh no
996962;1422510726;asciilifeform;these are normal forced air furnaces
996963;1422510728;asciilifeform;for ducts
996964;1422510731;asciilifeform;i have one here.
996965;1422510765;asciilifeform;that thing - was actually a cylindrical beast, 3 or so metres tall, ~2 wide
996966;1422510786;asciilifeform;enormous propeller inside, and diesel oil tank on other end of room.
996967;1422510805;mod6;ok that worked.
996968;1422510809;mod6;*whew*
996969;1422510812;BingoBoingo;Ah, that is less common. Sounds like a fad riding a postwar technology trend
996970;1422510829;asciilifeform;was nominally retired in favour of forced-air system clumsily retrofitted (fat hose in each room, shedding insulation)
996971;1422510842;asciilifeform;but still there, on account of no one having paid to have it cut with torches and removed
996972;1422510848;mod6;ye ole 3 hour tour
996973;1422510938;BingoBoingo;Sounds like standard landlord fare.
996974;1422510960;mod6;root@ip-172-31-10-219:/mnt/btc-dev/build-script-test/bitcoin-bitcoin-a8def6b/src# grep "Bitcoin version" ~/.bitcoin/debug.log
996975;1422510963;mod6;Bitcoin version 0.5.3.1-beta
996976;1422510998;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: found it! turns out, these were called 'floor furnace'.
996977;1422511069;BingoBoingo;Aha
996978;1422511088;BingoBoingo;Forced only by physics
996979;1422511107;asciilifeform;there was propeller
996980;1422511108;asciilifeform;but no ducts
996981;1422511118;BingoBoingo;http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/europe/paris-killers-radicalized-in-prison-now-leaders-want-to-fix-that-problem/2015/01/28/52271e28-a307-11e4-91fc-7dff95a14458_story.html
996982;1422511118;assbot;French prisons, long hotbeds of radical Islam, get new scrutiny after Paris attacks - The Washington Post ... ( http://bit.ly/1uDIzSY )
996983;1422511122;BingoBoingo;!up felipelalli
996984;1422511124;asciilifeform;or rather, there was a space between floor 0 and 1
996985;1422511148;asciilifeform;not sure why that thing made such an impression on me
996986;1422511149;asciilifeform;but it did
996987;1422511152;mod6;ok
996988;1422511153;mod6;http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=FRCVLcc6
996989;1422511155;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1uDIFdo )
996990;1422511184;mod6;it'll need some clean up perhaps... but if anyone wants to give that a shot... i had success with that, about 3 times just now
996991;1422511268;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: Probably because such unusual solutions tend to leave impressions. I similarly remember house that happened to be along infrequently traveled highway with porch overhand supported by unfinished bark on sections of tree trunk
996992;1422511293;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: there was also a memorable house that wasn't level.
996993;1422511303;asciilifeform;as in, put a marble on the floor and it will roll.
996994;1422511316;BingoBoingo;Ah
996995;1422511318;asciilifeform;also had what was apparently an extension, with entirely different inclination
996996;1422511320;asciilifeform;sinking into the earth
996997;1422511327;asciilifeform;and a 'second floor' that was about 1m tall
996998;1422511330;asciilifeform;(converted attic)
996999;1422511347;BingoBoingo;DC area is notorious for "settling" issues
997000;1422511347;asciilifeform;with the one habitable 10 sq. m. or so, converted into a toilet and gigantic bathtub
997001;1422511447;BingoBoingo;Here there tends to be a divide amongst neighborhoods capable of basements and undermined areas where basement might lead to extra unfinished floorspace.
997002;1422511467;BingoBoingo;Thanks to the coal mining that happened
997003;1422511477;asciilifeform;http://inspectapedia.com/heat/octopus1df.jpg << here we go!
997004;1422511478;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1uDJmDo )
997005;1422511509;asciilifeform;https://c1.staticflickr.com/5/4096/4859575833_98a4daecd2_z.jpg
997006;1422511510;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1uDJtin )
997007;1422511516;asciilifeform;^ no, not a nazi crematorium. home furnace.
997008;1422511562;mod6;looks like freddy crugers old furnace
997009;1422511567;mod6;*kruger
997010;1422511634;BingoBoingo;http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/checkpoint/wp/2015/01/28/the-islamic-states-dragunov-sniper-rifles-in-photos/?tid=hybrid_alt1_strip_1
997011;1422511636;assbot;The Islamic State’s Dragunov sniper rifles, in photos - The Washington Post ... ( http://bit.ly/1uDJLpv )
997012;1422511669;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: barrel resource ~= 1000 rounds.
997013;1422511693;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: Barrel is almost always the or a limiting factor
997014;1422511707;asciilifeform;http://www.washingtonpost.com/local/crime/jurors-tell-judge-they-cant-agree-in-cia-leak-trial-of-jeffrey-sterling/2015/01/26/db819f78-a57c-11e4-a7c2-03d37af98440_story.html?tid=hybrid_alt1_strip_1
997015;1422511708;assbot;Former CIA officer Jeffrey Sterling convicted in leak case - The Washington Post ... ( http://bit.ly/1uDJVgr )
997016;1422511710;asciilifeform;^ mega-lol
997017;1422511714;asciilifeform;this case dragged on for years
997018;1422511723;asciilifeform;and involved a hilarious usg idiocy
997019;1422511727;asciilifeform;basic summary:
997020;1422511731;mod6;asciilifeform: you try that thing out, or did you build by hand?
997021;1422511739;asciilifeform;mod6: not yet
997022;1422511747;mod6;aight.
997023;1422511757;BingoBoingo;!b 4
997024;1422511759;assbot;Last 4 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/17MB567.txt )
997025;1422511759;asciilifeform;ru nuke man defected with drawings for detonator electronics
997026;1422511768;asciilifeform;it was of no use to usa because, well, had own
997027;1422511773;asciilifeform;but they shelved it, for later
997028;1422511784;asciilifeform;the 'later' came when another ru nuke jockey defected
997029;1422511806;asciilifeform;plans were doctored (subtly embugged) and given to sandia (iirc) labs to test
997030;1422511824;asciilifeform;monkeys puttered around for an entire quarter and fixed one of the half dozen or so deliberate mistakes
997031;1422511835;asciilifeform;(cia told them nothing)
997032;1422511850;asciilifeform;the latter decided it was fit for disinfo use, and sent ru chump to iran to sell it
997033;1422511858;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 1300 @ 0.00098007 = 1.2741 BTC [-] {6} 
997034;1422511860;asciilifeform;he did not know the bugs were deliberate... promptly fixed.
997035;1422511867;BingoBoingo;lol
997036;1422511873;asciilifeform;like, in minutes.
997037;1422511881;BingoBoingo;Physics is a bitch
997038;1422511891;asciilifeform;this was leaked by the fella in that picture
997039;1422511906;asciilifeform;usg ended up grudgingly trotting out all of the original documents proving that every word was true
997040;1422511910;asciilifeform;in order to convict him
997041;1422511917;asciilifeform;(they're on 'cryptome')
997042;1422511943;asciilifeform;the farce was made public some time around '06, iirc.
997043;1422511997;BingoBoingo;I recall in middle and High School dod.gov hosting some rather complete plans plainly on the public web because of FOIA which have since been memory holed
997044;1422512070;asciilifeform;'The case against Sterling was largely circumstantial � there were no recorded phone conversations or captured e-mail exchanges that show that he leaked classified information to Risen � and that required prosecutors� to delve deeply into Sterling�s work and the details of Risen�s book. By prosecutors� account, Sterling was the only potential source who had a relationship with Risen, knew all of the information fro
997045;1422512071;asciilifeform;m the chapter at issue and had a motive to discuss his clandestine work. They argued that the book � which suggested that the secret operation might actually have helped further Iran�s nuclear research � was somewhat inaccurate and that it cast Sterling as a hero and the CIA as hapless.'
997046;1422512102;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25600 @ 0.0004398 = 11.2589 BTC [+]
997047;1422512137;asciilifeform;http://cryptome.org/2015/01/sterling-exhibits-105-108-nyt-15-0117.pdf http://cryptome.org/2015/01/sterling-cia-exhibits.pdf ^ for those interested. (mostly scans of primary docs)
997048;1422512141;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1uDKR4G )
997049;1422512165;asciilifeform;http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2015/01/27/this-alleged-russian-spy-ring-was-interested-in-some-very-dangerous-things/?tid=hybrid_alt1_strip_2 << in other news, 'oh noez, wreckerz!'
997050;1422512166;assbot;This alleged Russian spy ring was interested in some very dangerous things - The Washington Post ... ( http://bit.ly/1uDKV4m )
997051;1422512176;asciilifeform;d3st4b1l1z1ng our m4rk3tz!
997052;1422512225;mircea_popescu;Rozal: No worries, I'm here to listen and participate. I used to trade assets in the btct days << o boy.
997053;1422512227;mircea_popescu;!up Rozal
997054;1422512256;mircea_popescu;mike_c: "Since 0.9.0 the number of orphan blocks that is stored has been restricted, so this immediate issue should be fixed." << not really fixed in any sense. just, counter-kludged.
997055;1422512286;asciilifeform;again, reminder for readers, these are -not- orphan blocks in the sense of 'orphaned transactions' and dead tree branches
997056;1422512295;mod6;anyway, let me know how it goes. im out.
997057;1422512302;mod6;later!
997058;1422512341;mircea_popescu;maybne the proper term is "parentless"
997059;1422512348;mircea_popescu;as opposed to "proper" orphans ?
997060;1422512355;asciilifeform;aha.
997061;1422512361;BingoBoingo;http://bitcoinstats.com/irc/bitcoin-otc/logs/2015/01/29#l1422508839 << popcorn
997062;1422512362;assbot;BitcoinStats ... ( http://bit.ly/1uDLnPV )
997063;1422512538;asciilifeform;according to that pile of shit on cryptome, the 'bugs' were mainly omissions of component values in an analogue circuit.
997064;1422512561;asciilifeform;because, apparently, no man alive can derive them again
997065;1422512571;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo fwiw, you're both prolly making too much of this.
997066;1422512576;asciilifeform;without tw3nty y34rz m4nh0urz
997067;1422512663;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: I honestly at first though cazalla was making too much of this until... Rozal fabircated theft allegations against cazalla, which he would later confess to only when caught in a lie.
997068;1422512687;*;mircea_popescu hasn't looked into things.
997069;1422512699;BingoBoingo;;;rated Rozal
997070;1422512700;gribble;You rated user Rozal on Mon Jan 19 12:09:29 2015, with a rating of -10, and supplied these additional notes: Fabricated theft allegations http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/Rozal_allegation Confessed http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=19-01-2015#983318 Full Indictment http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/Rozal_Indictment.
997071;1422512711;asciilifeform;170700.
997072;1422512711;BingoBoingo;^ relevant dramas linked
997073;1422512739;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform you know im so impressed with that little train engine...
997074;1422512750;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: have one yet ?
997075;1422512758;mircea_popescu;nope
997076;1422512764;mircea_popescu;i live in the sticks.
997077;1422512773;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 51362 @ 0.00043944 = 22.5705 BTC [-]
997078;1422512777;asciilifeform;can it be had in the land of the colocolo and ocelot ?
997079;1422512781;BingoBoingo;Choo Choo
997080;1422512782;mircea_popescu;dubious.
997081;1422512800;mircea_popescu;if worst comes to worst ima have friends import em when visiting.
997082;1422512808;asciilifeform;i'll be sure to bring a few.
997083;1422512850;asciilifeform;we can always do a build for whatever nas-gizmotron -is- available down there.
997084;1422512862;mircea_popescu;you'll be easy to pick up in the airport. "fetch me the guy that's inside a pile of boxes"
997085;1422512892;mircea_popescu;o btw
997086;1422512895;mircea_popescu;$conference
997087;1422512896;empyex;mircea_popescu: Next conference starts in 2 months and 19 days. Estimated cost today: 8.08122669 BTC (Details: http://trilema.com/2014/the-conference-third-edition/ )
997088;1422512980;asciilifeform;i'd still rather eat actual food and have to import gizmos, than vice-versa
997089;1422512996;*;asciilifeform eats considerably more food than gizmo
997090;1422513005;BingoBoingo;!b 2
997091;1422513006;assbot;Last 2 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/2F1BZ1R.txt )
997092;1422513108;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform defo.
997093;1422513115;mircea_popescu;also, gizmos keep.
997094;1422513148;asciilifeform;typically.
997095;1422513155;asciilifeform;when they don't grow little legs at customs office
997096;1422513191;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform: not sure why that thing made such an impression on me << because it's pretty fuckin stupid.
997097;1422513214;mircea_popescu;and if custom guy wants to steal the thing to run his own node i dun mind lol.
997098;1422513223;mircea_popescu;not like i import the usual sort of teledildonics / ipads
997099;1422513269;asciilifeform;lol!
997100;1422513367;asciilifeform;http://imgur.com/d2ivsPk
997101;1422513368;assbot;                        widget now with serial console - Imgur ... ( http://bit.ly/1uDNFys )
997102;1422513394;mircea_popescu;The Post Recommends: Remember Russia? It�s still doomed.
997103;1422513395;mircea_popescu;lol
997104;1422513407;asciilifeform;ahahaha.
997105;1422513419;asciilifeform;(who wants pinout, can find it in thread from 2-3 days ago)
997106;1422513536;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform: the farce was made public some time around '06, iirc. << i recall that. i also recall thinking "gee whiz, what a pointless thing nukes actually are."
997107;1422513561;asciilifeform;much buck, little bang
997108;1422513565;asciilifeform;at least, if sits on shelf.
997109;1422514298;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 45500 @ 0.00043222 = 19.666 BTC [-] {2} 
997110;1422515601;mats;http://www.aljazeera.com/news/2015/01/cuba-demands-guantanamo-bay-return-ties-150129051657782.html
997111;1422515602;assbot;Cuba demands Guantanamo Bay in return for US ties - Al Jazeera English ... ( http://bit.ly/1z5JeCd )
997112;1422517497;mircea_popescu;they got their own perople to put in there huh
997113;1422518153;mats;the cubans ought to sublease the place
997114;1422518247;mats;maybe the americans will cover utilities
997115;1422518451;mircea_popescu;lol
997116;1422518471;mircea_popescu;actually... i doubt obama would mind giving it to them, provided the cia etc still gets to use it.
997117;1422518491;mircea_popescu;buncha derps in there nobody knows what to do with anyway
997118;1422518500;mircea_popescu;the very dangerous terrorists of not particularly.
997119;1422518873;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 84200 @ 0.00042093 = 35.4423 BTC [-] {4} 
997120;1422519065;[]bot;Bet created: "BTC to top $450 before 31st Mar" http://bitbet.us/bet/1113/
997121;1422519329;fluffypony;http://mybroadband.co.za/news/gaming/117673-smallest-ever-chess-program-487-bytes.html
997122;1422519332;assbot;Smallest ever chess program: 487 bytes ... ( http://bit.ly/1A0RZ1R )
997123;1422519332;fluffypony;that is impressive
997124;1422519389;mircea_popescu;487 bytes ? yeah.
997125;1422519526;xanthyos;wow
997126;1422519561;[]bot;Bet placed: 2.5 BTC for No on "BTC to top $450 before 31st Mar" http://bitbet.us/bet/1113/ Odds: 1(Y):99(N) by coin, 1(Y):99(N) by weight. Total bet: 2.6 BTC. Current weight: 99,989.
997127;1422520310;scoopbot;New post on Trilema by Mircea Popescu: http://trilema.com/2015/misopiny/
997128;1422520398;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7850 @ 0.00041854 = 3.2855 BTC [-]
997129;1422521210;fluffypony;http://i.imgur.com/xioG580.jpg
997130;1422521211;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1Erv3KK )
997131;1422521923;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 43750 @ 0.00041886 = 18.3251 BTC [+]
997132;1422523477;phillipsjk;OK, I got more data on the DDOS
997133;1422523498;nubbins`;asciilifeform is that just a basic FTDI adapter you've got hooked up to it? i'll take those pinouts if you've got a !search query handy
997134;1422523562;phillipsjk;It is a UDP fragment flood lasting about 30 minutes. about 0.3% of the packets were ICMP messages. Not sure if they are looking for "no route to host" from an intermediate router or what.
997135;1422523631;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 2085 @ 0.00096444 = 2.0109 BTC [-] {5} 
997136;1422523663;phillipsjk;The second time (when I reconnected my router after the attack dropped to ~12kiB/s) the ICMP packets were making up about 0.9% of the packets.
997137;1422523740;phillipsjk;The captures are 5.0GB each. Just a little too large to fit on a DVD:P
997138;1422523949;nubbins`;wild
997139;1422523968;nubbins`;my netflix streaming quality *has* improved since i got a cloak
997140;1422523969;nubbins`;shrug
997141;1422523976;phillipsjk;heh
997142;1422523981;nubbins`;fiber to the door = ntb
997143;1422524001;trinque;my modem has gone down a couple times times this week
997144;1422524004;trinque;could just be shitty comcast
997145;1422524005;nubbins`;ok, pogoplug ordered
997146;1422524035;nubbins`;$27usd incl. shipping to the great white north(east)
997147;1422524044;phillipsjk;I found the attacker were enough to slow down the router. (Loading the web interface takes a while while under attack)
997148;1422524068;nubbins`;that's mildly inconvenient
997149;1422524144;phillipsjk;it was not unuseable or anything. Logging into the router from my Pentium-II (using X forwarding) was *way* more painful.
997150;1422524197;*;phillipsjk does not trust Internet-facing admin interfaces
997151;1422524223;nubbins`;oic
997152;1422524305;phillipsjk;Wikipedia says ntb may be a "net-top-box"?
997153;1422524367;nubbins`;not too bad
997154;1422524372;nubbins`;;;ud ntb
997155;1422524373;gribble;http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=ntb | ntb. Internet Shortform: Not Too Bad. How you doing? ntb thanks. by mode_seven February ... "Yeah I asked him but he totally gave me the NTB. Awkward city.".
997156;1422524408;nubbins`;could just ask next time ;D
997157;1422524424;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 59800 @ 0.00041785 = 24.9874 BTC [-] {2} 
997158;1422524435;nubbins`;i'm gonna order some kialara bars today, anyone want one?
997159;1422524703;phillipsjk;Google,s fibre offering annoys me for several reasons. 1. No servers. 2. They request detail GIS images from municipalities, but only give back "as build" diagrams in PDF format for "proprietary reasons"
997160;1422524715;nubbins`;!search out of ink
997161;1422524716;assbot;6 results for 'out of ink' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=out+of+ink
997162;1422524912;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 39450 @ 0.00042305 = 16.6893 BTC [+] {3} 
997163;1422527535;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 59700 @ 0.0004263 = 25.4501 BTC [+] {2} 
997164;1422532049;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 45585 @ 0.00042148 = 19.2132 BTC [-] {2} 
997165;1422533208;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19700 @ 0.00043347 = 8.5394 BTC [+]
997166;1422533452;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 3556 @ 0.00090651 = 3.2235 BTC [-] {33} 
997167;1422533513;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 3911 @ 0.00084589 = 3.3083 BTC [-] {3} 
997168;1422533879;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 1560 @ 0.00083952 = 1.3097 BTC [-] {8} 
997169;1422534072;fluffypony;http://i.imgur.com/YXBSnrC.jpg
997170;1422534074;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1JMyYC9 )
997171;1422534192;davout;fluffypony: medium-kek, the previous one you posted was top-kek tho
997172;1422534196;davout;:D
997173;1422534208;fluffypony;glad you enjoyed it:)
997174;1422535099;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8220 @ 0.00043347 = 3.5631 BTC [+]
997175;1422535709;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 41000 @ 0.00042881 = 17.5812 BTC [-] {2} 
997176;1422535892;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 4138 @ 0.00089999 = 3.7242 BTC [+]
997177;1422536884;jurov;https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/2u1wea/trezor_code_no_longer_lgplv3_but_now_more/ such shitstorm. wow.
997178;1422536887;assbot;Trezor Code no Longer LGPLv3, but now more restrictive Microsoft Reference Source License : Bitcoin ... ( http://bit.ly/1BtEpj7 )
997179;1422538185;danielpbarron;!gettrust inBitweTrust
997180;1422538185;assbot;inBitweTrust is not registered in WoT.
997181;1422538393;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 1614 @ 0.00087192 = 1.4073 BTC [-] {4} 
997182;1422538419;jurov;We purposedly choose to change licence on commit after it was forked by chinese.
997183;1422538472;jurov;this...i'm at loss of words.
997184;1422538572;fluffypony;yeah
997185;1422538741;mats;https://soundcloud.com/nghtmre/tribe-nghtmre-remix
997186;1422538743;assbot;Theophilus London - Tribe (NGHTMRE Remix) by NGHTMRE - Hear the world’s sounds ... ( http://bit.ly/1uEIDSB )
997187;1422538753;davout;jurov: pretty derpy heh
997188;1422539023;nubbins`;wow
997189;1422539026;nubbins`;trezor fail
997190;1422539052;mats;i have always suspected slush is an idiot
997191;1422539125;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 39950 @ 0.00042492 = 16.9756 BTC [-]
997192;1422539220;mats;" we're aware that this won't stop Chinese to copy our product, but this step gives a sign that we're not happy with it. This is more about a moral urge to their customers."
997193;1422539313;nubbins`;HAHAHA
997194;1422539348;nubbins`;"we know it won't solve the problem, but a huge FUCK YOU to our customers will discourage competitors from messing with us again"
997195;1422539387;nubbins`;do the chinese guys have a github?
997196;1422539514;mats;i think so, slush says something incomprehensible about a fork
997197;1422539528;mats;on my mobile tho so i can't check
997198;1422540327;nubbins`;http://www.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/2tvah1/slc_creepy_daycare_saga
997199;1422540332;assbot;SLC Creepy Daycare Saga : conspiracy ... ( http://bit.ly/1ErUigc )
997200;1422540772;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 41000 @ 0.00042152 = 17.2823 BTC [-] {2} 
997201;1422541138;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 1800 @ 0.00086228 = 1.5521 BTC [-] {6} 
997202;1422541626;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25900 @ 0.00042492 = 11.0054 BTC [+]
997203;1422542036;davout;mats: "i think so, slush says something incomprehensible about a fork" <<< they seem to have the same problem in -dev
997204;1422542069;davout;!gettrust punkman
997205;1422542070;assbot;Trust relationship from user davout to user punkman: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 5 via 3 connections. | http://w.b-a.link/trust/davout/punkman | http://w.b-a.link/user/punkman
997206;1422542104;davout;punkman: you're greek amirite?
997207;1422542663;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 99800 @ 0.00043051 = 42.9649 BTC [+] {3} 
997208;1422543212;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 54300 @ 0.00043209 = 23.4625 BTC [+] {2} 
997209;1422543331;danielpbarron;https://imgur.com/o0qM7Sr
997210;1422543332;assbot;                        imgur: the simple image sharer ... ( http://bit.ly/15VsDFp )
997211;1422543378;davout;danielpbarron: you actually use bitcointalk trust?
997212;1422543413;danielpbarron;*I* don't use it, but I leave ratings in there sometimes for people who do use it
997213;1422543456;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11900 @ 0.00043211 = 5.1421 BTC [+]
997214;1422543664;davout;ic
997215;1422543684;davout;this fork-off thread is pretty lulzy
997216;1422543731;davout;the "you're mean to me makes me want to take the opposite view" is pretty priceless in itself
997217;1422543833;lobbes;lol >> "Then the alt gave me positive trust. I didn't ask for it!!"
997218;1422544333;mircea_popescu;phillipsjk: The captures are 5.0GB each. Just a little too large to fit on a DVD:P << last time we diagnosed this it was mostly unpnp pwnt routers that yielded it.
997219;1422544344;mircea_popescu;long known as a problem, little to do about it because "must have lusers on the internet"
997220;1422544418;mircea_popescu;phillipsjk: Google,s fibre offering annoys me for several reasons. << definitely a power grab.
997221;1422544458;nubbins`;danielpbarron lel
997222;1422544495;mircea_popescu;lol @ dat trezor drama.
997223;1422544510;mircea_popescu;"so derps beat you to market ? that's ok, give them half a year they'll hang themselves."
997224;1422544670;mircea_popescu;mats: i have always suspected slush is an idiot << in fairness, i think his involvement with this was more in the lines of typical forum scams (name lending - btw, always a bad idea)
997225;1422544720;mircea_popescu;davout: they seem to have the same problem in -dev ,<< top kek :D
997226;1422544765;mircea_popescu;davout: the "you're mean to me makes me want to take the opposite view" is pretty priceless in itself << there's an entire generation of fucktards who pretty much run on this software with little else.
997227;1422544780;mircea_popescu;how they expect to stay fed and warm is beyond comprehension. but they do so expect.
997228;1422544860;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo : https://yeppudaproductions.wordpress.com/2015/01/22/qntra-net-a-toca-do-coelho/ check out teh tits.
997229;1422544863;assbot;Qntra.net: a toca do coelho | Yeppuda Productions ... ( http://bit.ly/1yQBlQN )
997230;1422544908;mircea_popescu;imagine this shit, i can actually read portuguese straight up!
997231;1422544913;mircea_popescu;will wonders never cease.
997232;1422544941;mircea_popescu;"Nos prim�rdios, minha fonte principal de not�cias sobre Bitcoin era o Bitcointalk Forum. Mas eu cansei de l�." << first off, my principal source of news on bitcoin was teh tardstalk forum. i got sick of it.
997233;1422545080;lobbes;mircea_popescu: how they expect to stay fed and warm is beyond comprehension. << gubment teat, of course
997234;1422545116;mircea_popescu;then the discussions re meatpacking yest. "why are landlords slumming them up ?" "because they're basically sheep ?"
997235;1422545205;thestringpuller;south parkifying names: Eloqua becomes Elequeef
997236;1422545236;mircea_popescu;eloqua ?!
997237;1422545271;mircea_popescu;shit, coelho means rabbit ?! omfg. WILL WONDERS!
997238;1422545289;mircea_popescu;;;later tell cazalla im calling you j. coelho henceforth!
997239;1422545289;gribble;The operation succeeded.
997240;1422545357;thestringpuller;He should raise a rabbit named Bugs.
997241;1422545433;mircea_popescu;and a cockroach named goat ?
997242;1422545555;thestringpuller;El Gringo Pussygatto
997243;1422545620;mircea_popescu;;;later tell felipelalli actually iirc assbot is not a gribble fork. gribble is supybot, and i dun think kakobreklaa pythons much. i dun actually recall what it was derived from tho.
997244;1422545620;gribble;The operation succeeded.
997245;1422545742;mircea_popescu;that said, http://supybook.fealdia.org/devel/ is a pretty awesome way to start your own irc bot.
997246;1422545744;assbot;Supybook ... ( http://bit.ly/1yQE3Wr )
997247;1422545971;thestringpuller;"I wrote Facebook in the course of a few weeks," said Mark Zuckerberg. The site now "worth" billions, concludes socialisms last stand against its inevitable erosion from humanity.
997248;1422546002;mircea_popescu;i guess scratch lottery is the way to beat zuck.
997249;1422546018;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26850 @ 0.00043275 = 11.6193 BTC [+] {2} 
997250;1422546052;thestringpuller;Except when someone who doesn't deserve money wins, and then you find them in a ditch somewhere with 5 needles in there arm and a crack pipe in their mouth.
997251;1422546059;mircea_popescu;!rated felipelalli
997252;1422546059;assbot;You rated user felipelalli on 21-Jan-2015, with a rating of -1, and supplied these additional notes: has a very strange idea of when it's time to talk..
997253;1422546060;thestringpuller;their*
997254;1422546067;mircea_popescu;!unrate felipelalli
997255;1422546067;assbot;Request successful, get your OTP: http://w.b-a.link/otp/cf639fddb82ed65e
997256;1422546088;mircea_popescu;!v assbot:mircea_popescu.unrate.felipelalli:811fb8713831e0da1b08ff8b05f3bc76531e2d3f6864f7a733bbc08409566d52
997257;1422546088;assbot;Successfully unrated felipelalli
997258;1422546100;mircea_popescu;!gettrust assbot felipelalli
997259;1422546100;assbot;Trust relationship from user assbot to user felipelalli: Level 1: 0, Level 2: -1 via 1 connections. | http://w.b-a.link/trust/assbot/felipelalli | http://w.b-a.link/user/felipelalli
997260;1422546173;mircea_popescu;hory shit i like assbot. curl http://w.b-a.link/trust/assbot/felipelalli an' there you go.
997261;1422546174;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1yQFjc6 )
997262;1422546181;mircea_popescu;who knew the web SUCKED
997263;1422546200;mircea_popescu;at least before getting a fucking alternative up and running. like the "white" walls that are just about puke gray.
997264;1422546213;mircea_popescu;you won't know until someone brings some white stuff indoors.
997265;1422546415;thestringpuller;aka the GE Reveal marketing campaign :P
997266;1422546640;thestringpuller;mircea_popescu: http://cookiechief.com/wotviz/
997267;1422546648;asciilifeform;179089
997268;1422546691;asciilifeform;9 oomkills over the night.
997269;1422546725;mircea_popescu;slowed down huh.
997270;1422546742;nubbins`;!search hitler
997271;1422546743;assbot;218 results for 'hitler' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=hitler
997272;1422546750;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 42359 @ 0.00043441 = 18.4012 BTC [+] {2} 
997273;1422546759;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: the kills take longer and longer to recover from as the thing gets fatter
997274;1422546794;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: the 'orphans' thing will have to be cured.
997275;1422546844;asciilifeform;trezor news << For the love of god, Montrezor!
997276;1422546851;mircea_popescu;seems so huh.
997277;1422546858;mircea_popescu;well, kinda why we run things, find out.
997278;1422546890;asciilifeform;and of course zimmerman's turdphone or whatever it was called, will carry on 'as if nothing happened'
997279;1422546891;thestringpuller;!s lizard hitler
997280;1422546892;assbot;38 results for 'lizard hitler' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=lizard+hitler
997281;1422546994;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 50994 @ 0.00043971 = 22.4226 BTC [+] {2} 
997282;1422547103;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform by now it's the best heuristic.
997283;1422547116;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 1716 @ 0.00082999 = 1.4243 BTC [+] {3} 
997284;1422547127;mircea_popescu;you can distinguish the usg agents from the random muppet by this simple pretense : once gavin's ideas are crushed in the open, does he continue as if nothing happened ?
997285;1422547134;mircea_popescu;if so, then he's with souflakis.
997286;1422547157;mircea_popescu;"statal continuity" we could call it.
997287;1422547354;mircea_popescu;al gore, after being a total muppet, did he go commit sepukku quietly somewhere ? nope, still there, still doing substantiall the same thing. romney, after his beyond ludicrous failure with his "super duper website' thigee, did he quit ? nope... still there.
997288;1422547362;mircea_popescu;heck, his wiki page does not even mention it.
997289;1422547391;mircea_popescu;27k words, no mention of "website", no mention of "software", wikipedia relevant as ever.
997290;1422547411;mircea_popescu;all that article needed was a thick red "Idiot who was going to make the first best and greatest election website. He failed."
997291;1422547421;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5457 @ 0.00043928 = 2.3972 BTC [-]
997292;1422547464;mircea_popescu;http://www.boston.com/news/politics/2012/president/2012/12/23/the-story-behind-mitt-romney-loss-the-presidential-campaign-president-obama/2QWkUB9pJgVIi1mAcIhQjL/story.html
997293;1422547465;assbot;The story behind Mitt Romney’s loss in the presidential campaign to President Obama - News Politics President - Boston.com ... ( http://bit.ly/1BA1L9a )
997294;1422547480;mircea_popescu;by next year it's going to be completely gone, and the muppets ready to be sent against a wall again.
997295;1422547805;mircea_popescu;https://bitbet.us/bet/786/bitcoin-to-surpass-berkshire-as-an-investment/#c4533 i lolled.
997296;1422547806;assbot;BitBet - Bitcoin to surpass Berkshire as an investment :: 1121.15 B (20%) on Yes, 4388.36 B (80%) on No | closing in 2 weeks 2 days | weight: 4`868 (100`000 to 1) ... ( http://bit.ly/1yQKFEb )
997297;1422547927;mircea_popescu; "Like so many of you, Paul and I have left everything on the field. We have given our all to this campaign. I so wish that I had been able to fulfill your hopes to lead this country in a different direction, but the nation chose another leader."
997298;1422547950;mircea_popescu;"and i'm going to take two weeks of and carry on regardless, because the "all" on the field was really nothing at all."
997299;1422548200;davout;asciilifeform: "the 'orphans' thing will have to be cured." <<< doesn't the whole thing work that way because you can't request peers to give you blocks matching a certain height in their chain?
997300;1422548411;nubbins`;y'know, yes could totally still win
997301;1422548436;nubbins`;btc just needs to be at $7k 30-day avg by mid-march
997302;1422548452;*;nubbins` searches for usd wallet
997303;1422548547;mike_c;you mean $700.
997304;1422548679;mats;https://archive.org/details/shmoocon-2015-videos-playlist
997305;1422548681;assbot;Shmoocon 2015 Videos: Playlist Version : Free Download & Streaming : Internet Archive ... ( http://bit.ly/1BA42RJ )
997306;1422548771;mats;best one is prob #40: james forshaw's winders sandbox paradox
997307;1422549021;nubbins`;i can has math
997308;1422549040;nubbins`;i do indeed
997309;1422549408;mircea_popescu;nubbins` moar like 7-800
997310;1422549470;mircea_popescu;starting in a coupla weeks or so.
997311;1422549566;mircea_popescu;anyway, if i end up winning that thing it'll make a pretty great story. enough for an autobiography at any rate.
997312;1422549578;mircea_popescu;"how i challenged buffett and won millions in the process"
997313;1422549771;mircea_popescu;;;calc  217160.00� 314.59764223
997314;1422549771;gribble;Error: invalid syntax (<string>, line 1)
997315;1422549775;mircea_popescu;;;calc  217160.00 / 314.59764223
997316;1422549775;gribble;690.278536294
997317;1422549781;mircea_popescu;it dropped, apparently.
997318;1422549922;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12550 @ 0.00043444 = 5.4522 BTC [-]
997319;1422549991;thestringpuller;I wouldn't be surprised if the price shot up to 700 for one day.
997320;1422549996;thestringpuller;Seen crazier things.
997321;1422550039;thestringpuller;nubbins`: petenineteen.tumblr.com
997322;1422550041;mircea_popescu;tis bitcoin.
997323;1422550203;mats;http://finance.yahoo.com/q?s=NBG up 12% since opening o_o
997324;1422550205;assbot;NBG: Summary for Natl Bk Greece American Deposit- Yahoo! Finance ... ( http://bit.ly/1BA72Oc )
997325;1422550373;TomServo;http://www.dailyfx.com/crude-oil Brent & WTI diverging?
997326;1422550375;assbot;Crude Oil Prices - Live Oil Price Chart, Price Forecast & Analysis ... ( http://bit.ly/15Zhp3F )
997327;1422550532;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 91050 @ 0.00044127 = 40.1776 BTC [+] {4} 
997328;1422551655;Apocalyptic;mats, still lower than it was on Tuesday
997329;1422551813;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 54713 @ 0.00043708 = 23.914 BTC [-] {2} 
997330;1422551917;kakobrekla;yes assbot is no fork. its written in worlds most hated language.
997331;1422551969;danielpbarron;!gettrust SatoshiLabs
997332;1422551969;assbot;SatoshiLabs is not registered in WoT.
997333;1422551994;kakobrekla;anyway, back to http://shrani.si/f/33/wO/30PS2j8e/imag0572.jpg
997334;1422551995;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/15ZqBF3 )
997335;1422552446;mike_c;idk what the hell that is, but it looks cool.
997336;1422552510;ben_vulpes;another thousand plus line day
997337;1422552533;ben_vulpes;y'all are killin me
997338;1422552540;ben_vulpes;!unrate felipelalli
997339;1422552540;assbot;Request successful, get your OTP: http://w.b-a.link/otp/354c0a84940921b1
997340;1422552545;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 66900 @ 0.0004287 = 28.68 BTC [-] {2} 
997341;1422552568;ben_vulpes;!v assbot:ben_vulpes.unrate.felipelalli:ba53d39c9a996d90a8e2747bcde7b7549369b170b1d50edd388b8f8788f71ddb
997342;1422552569;assbot;Successfully unrated felipelalli
997343;1422552592;ben_vulpes;!gettrust assbot felipelalli
997344;1422552592;assbot;Trust relationship from user assbot to user felipelalli: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. | http://w.b-a.link/trust/assbot/felipelalli | http://w.b-a.link/user/felipelalli
997345;1422552638;ben_vulpes;;;later tell felipelalli no hard feelings
997346;1422552639;gribble;The operation succeeded.
997347;1422552803;nubbins`;thestringpuller fun
997348;1422552880;kakobrekla;the hell that is < ill tell if noone figures it out
997349;1422552990;danielpbarron;php
997350;1422553023;trinque;dunno could be rubby
997351;1422553073;TomServo;kakobrekla: is it emitting light or is that a reflection?
997352;1422553085;kakobrekla;reflection
997353;1422553184;TomServo;hmph, one of those 'air motion' tweeters?
997354;1422553308;TomServo;er, ribbon tweeter is the common name?
997355;1422553338;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 96991 @ 0.0004412 = 42.7924 BTC [+] {4} 
997356;1422553605;kakobrekla;yeah, almost 100 years old invention - a ribbon twitter, in open baffle
997357;1422553677;kakobrekla;in a normal speaker you have a coil suspended in magnetic field and that moves the (small) cone with terrible side effects
997358;1422553708;kakobrekla;here alu foil is suspended in a magnetic field and acts as a coil with huge surface
997359;1422553736;kakobrekla;and very little mass.
997360;1422553754;TomServo;pretty cool.  Is that a custom box?
997361;1422553901;ben_vulpes;<mircea_popescu> asciilifeform fun fact : 50% of america dreams of but doesn't own and can't afford a laptop. << tablets, "smartphones"
997362;1422554049;ben_vulpes;<davout> asciilifeform: i already got db corrupted a buncha times when not cleanly terminating bitcoind << me too, me too.
997363;1422554131;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 64908 @ 0.00042457 = 27.558 BTC [-] {3} 
997364;1422554177;davout;ben_vulpes: to be completely fair there was an osx-specific bug that got my db corrupted
997365;1422554212;ben_vulpes;blech
997366;1422554232;kakobrekla;TomServo these were custom developed for me by a friend who runs a high end speakers co.
997367;1422554863;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 39700 @ 0.00044448 = 17.6459 BTC [+] {3} 
997368;1422555107;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 2235 @ 0.00084006 = 1.8775 BTC [-] {7} 
997369;1422555803;mats;Apocalyptic: ya. i bought at close yesterday. its up 18% nao
997370;1422555968;mod6;asciilifeform: hey, does your build script build the R.I. on obsd?  (haven't had a chance to try it yet)
997371;1422556127;mod6;oh nm, i need to learn to read. thought it said OPENBSD not OPENSSL
997372;1422557229;asciilifeform;180221
997373;1422557306;mod6;nice
997374;1422557314;mod6;how many times has it died?
997375;1422557350;asciilifeform;15 or so.
997376;1422557379;mod6;ah, yikes. we'll keep working on the map of orphans problem into next month for sure.
997377;1422557408;mod6;I appreciate any help/guidence you can provide in that direction.
997378;1422557425;asciilifeform;mike_c might have the answer already.
997379;1422557448;mod6;well, he was just looking at how they limit to 750 in forward versions right?
997380;1422557604;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-01-2015#996938
997381;1422557604;assbot;Logged on 29-01-2015 05:26:57; mike_c: ok, took out the memory caching of orphans.  i'll leave it running overnight and see what the memory looks like in the morning.
997382;1422557616;mod6;oh yeah cool.
997383;1422557974;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34150 @ 0.00042281 = 14.439 BTC [-]
997384;1422558085;asciilifeform;openbsd << it should build anywhere the dependencies build, theoretically. nothing linux-specific in there, much less distro-specific.
997385;1422558479;mod6;we want to get this thing running on openbsd, but in the 5 minutes i looked at it, iirc there was a database version change and maybe another thing or two that needed to change.  can't recall off the bat.
997386;1422558500;mod6;but yeah, that's one of the goals for this year is to get it going there.
997387;1422558815;BingoBoingo;!up felipelalli You can self voice again
997388;1422559413;mats;#b-a so fickle
997389;1422559550;TheNewDeal;;;nethash
997390;1422559551;gribble;321731021.91
997391;1422559558;TheNewDeal;hmph
997392;1422559565;TheNewDeal;;;bc,stats
997393;1422559569;gribble;Current Blocks: 341060 | Current Difficulty: 4.127287389469702E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 342719 | Next Difficulty In: 1659 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 2 days, 14 hours, 9 minutes, and 1 second | Next Difficulty Estimate: 47714824514.9 | Estimated Percent Change: 15.60819
997394;1422559597;TheNewDeal;;;calc 295*1.15
997395;1422559597;gribble;339.25
997396;1422559622;trinque;I'm starting to itch for a sqlite+deturdolatedbitcoind experiment
997397;1422559692;trinque;in terms of a programming environment, SQL dominates this "wad of json" business
997398;1422559717;trinque;talked with ben_vulpes last night about the deedbot "publisher" service, which does the blockchain timestamping
997399;1422559726;mike_c;asciilifeform: the answer was it ran all night and didn't do a damn thing.
997400;1422559742;trinque;what we came up with was just rolling forward from the transaction which funded deedbot first and finding spendable outputs each time, then using one to stamp
997401;1422559747;asciilifeform;mike_c: not one block ?
997402;1422559766;mike_c;no, it stayed stuck at 144k where it was when i made the change
997403;1422559775;trinque;seems like with a well-thought-out schema this is a trivial sql query
997404;1422559775;mike_c;so i gotta dig in more.
997405;1422559884;trinque;you'd just query the outputs table for your pubkey where none are referenced by an input's output_id field
997406;1422559999;trinque;whose fault is the btc json thing? nosql people?
997407;1422560134;asciilifeform;https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/blob/v0.9.0/src/main.cpp#L3688 << what they did.
997408;1422560137;assbot;bitcoin/main.cpp at v0.9.0 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1606R4a )
997409;1422560224;trinque;insert into raw_transaction (...) values (...); << and fuck the jsonrpc
997410;1422560330;TheNewDeal;copyright The Bitcoin Developers. fml
997411;1422560378;ben_vulpes;what is copyright?
997412;1422560394;ben_vulpes;asciilifeform: thanks for the find
997413;1422560395;mod6;at the top of that file
997414;1422560404;TheNewDeal;apparently a line of text at the top of a file
997415;1422560408;mod6;i think all of 'em say that now
997416;1422560414;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25350 @ 0.00041933 = 10.63 BTC [-] {2} 
997417;1422560421;ben_vulpes;mod6: more asking "what does copyright even mean in a world of bitcoin?"
997418;1422560431;ben_vulpes;i don't have a contract with those people, i'm not bound by any line of text they write.
997419;1422560432;mod6;The Bitcoin Developers^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^HPower Rangers
997420;1422560455;mod6;ben_vulpes: ah.
997421;1422560458;ben_vulpes;<mike_c> no, it stayed stuck at 144k where it was when i made the change << my experience is in line with asciilifeform's: once wedged, it never unwedges
997422;1422560503;mod6;well, if he removed the entire orphanMap, then it if the chain split off and became the new best chain, it can't move forward.
997423;1422560530;mod6;not sure what the specifics were there.
997424;1422560537;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26400 @ 0.00042693 = 11.271 BTC [+] {2} 
997425;1422560544;mike_c;if the chain split off where, at 144k?
997426;1422560620;mod6;well, for instance if you received the blocks out of order, and then you got the child of 144,000 a few after some others, then it can't continue
997427;1422560679;danielpbarron;is it seriously block # 144k? or is that approx?
997428;1422560697;mike_c;approx.
997429;1422560797;mike_c;well i just blew it away and restarted it.  we'll see how it does.
997430;1422560805;mod6;ok cool.
997431;1422560814;mod6;thanks for the help mike_c!
997432;1422560867;mike_c;my pleasure.
997433;1422560871;mod6;we appreciate all the help that the attendants of #b-a have given to the foundation & the effort to decruft the R.I.
997434;1422560902;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16600 @ 0.00042754 = 7.0972 BTC [+]
997435;1422561111;TheNewDeal;RI?
997436;1422561123;mod6;Reference Implementation
997437;1422561126;TheNewDeal;anduck eh
997438;1422561346;TomServo;!up jumae
997439;1422561512;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 2500 @ 0.0009249 = 2.3123 BTC [+] {6} 
997440;1422561573;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 2500 @ 0.00092493 = 2.3123 BTC [+]
997441;1422561961;cazalla;mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo fwiw, you're both prolly making too much of this. <<< not reary, i don't think anyone made a big deal of it, but i'm thankful BingoBoingo and danielpbarron were able to point out this guy's lies same day i left for holidays
997442;1422562057;danielpbarron;!v assbot:danielpbarron.rate.Blazedout419.-5:e40b0a47992f98d407f734b54afc958da19f8e6e71a05a105ca0a0603431534b
997443;1422562057;assbot;Successfully updated the rating for Blazedout419 from -1 to -5 with note: maliciously stupid https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=846683.msg9448130#msg9448130
997444;1422562068;danielpbarron;;;later tell Blazedout419 wtf dude ^
997445;1422562068;gribble;The operation succeeded.
997446;1422562205;cazalla;<mircea_popescu> im calling you j. coelho henceforth! <<< and when my son has kids, i can be.. wello coelho
997447;1422562394;thestringpuller;:P
997448;1422562420;thestringpuller;!rated danielpbarron
997449;1422562420;assbot;You have not rated danielpbarron.
997450;1422562422;cazalla;miss me thestringpuller? ya lack of emails suggest not :\
997451;1422562431;thestringpuller;;;rated danilepbarron
997452;1422562431;gribble;You have not yet rated user danilepbarron
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997454;1422562440;gribble;You rated user danielpbarron on Tue Jan 20 11:03:44 2015, with a rating of 2, and supplied these additional notes: crypto-priest.
997455;1422562453;thestringpuller;ugh 2 wots :P
997456;1422562469;thestringpuller;cazalla how do you feel about iggy azalea? :D
997457;1422562504;cazalla;dunno, thestringpuller only know that one song of hers but then only because weird al did it first
997458;1422562707;TheNewDeal;south park did a pretty good episode with iggy, lorde, and nicki minaj
997459;1422562725;TheNewDeal;lorde was played by one of the main character's fathers, dressed in drag
997460;1422562757;trinque;yayaya...
997461;1422562772;trinque;I actually thought lorde was a made-up singer until recently
997462;1422562784;cazalla;trinque, yeah that is what i thought after that episode
997463;1422562794;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 61400 @ 0.00041725 = 25.6192 BTC [-] {2} 
997464;1422563941;davout;trinque: "you'd just query the outputs table for your pubkey where none are referenced by an input's output_id field" <<< it's a bit more complicated than that
997465;1422563961;davout;but an sql datastore would be really cool indeed
997466;1422564024;trinque;davout: what did I overlook? that was assuming everything that got stored in sql was validated by say an insert trigger
997467;1422564051;davout;not all transactions are a transaction to a pubkey
997468;1422564074;davout;some implementations will let you store the DB in a SQL store iirc
997469;1422564101;trinque;davout: right, but the balance would be "that which has been spent to me, and not subsequently spent elsewhere"
997470;1422564109;davout;sure
997471;1422564146;davout;https://github.com/lian/bitcoin-ruby/blob/master/doc/STORAGE.rdoc <-- this would let you use a SQL backend
997472;1422564147;assbot;bitcoin-ruby/STORAGE.rdoc at master · lian/bitcoin-ruby · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1A3CIgJ )
997473;1422564218;trinque;ben_vulpes tells me there's one that pulls it into postgresql too
997474;1422564265;trinque;davout: what kind of transaction does not involve a pubkey?
997475;1422564276;davout;trinque: p2sh for example
997476;1422564281;trinque;and would that be a concern of something trying to ascertain a balance
997477;1422564304;fluffypony;"balance" is subjective
997478;1422564306;davout;not really if you only use normal addresses
997479;1422564326;fluffypony;if you receive a transaction with an NLOCKTIME in the future is that part of your balance or the sender's balance?
997480;1422564340;davout;there's also multisig, that you can do with the dedicated script, or in the p2sh fashion
997481;1422564358;davout;fluffypony: balance(t) <-- fixed :-)
997482;1422564361;trinque;fluffypony: right, the subject being this bot, in this instance
997483;1422564374;trinque;so I can constrain the domain of things I care about
997484;1422564388;trinque;simple funding transactions, simple "publishing" transactions
997485;1422564430;davout;trinque: do you intend to run a full client for deedbot's needs?
997486;1422564443;trinque;using btcd at the moment
997487;1422564451;davout;i don't know shit about this one
997488;1422564475;trinque;has the same wad 'o json api
997489;1422564487;davout;the way i'd do it is simply keep an unspent out around
997490;1422564531;davout;when i have the addy to spend to for notarization, create a raw tx spending from that, and sending all the change back to the original address
997491;1422564564;davout;that way you keep one private key around, and you just need to track one txid that you reuse in the next tx
997492;1422564718;trinque;davout: I'm hesitant to keep my own count of btc when the correct value can be pulled from the node
997493;1422564762;trinque;say I send a transaction, get one confirmation, then the thing still ended up on the losing fork
997494;1422564764;TheNewDeal;davout , isn't p2sh nonstandard ?
997495;1422564791;davout;hrm yeah, i forgot about keeping count of the balance, for that you should be able to use the gettxout call though
997496;1422564814;davout;TheNewDeal: i don't think so
997497;1422564816;trinque;yup, that's where the "roll forward from first funding transaction's block" comes from
997498;1422564835;trinque;and then back to my rant re: holy shit this is a trivial query with well-structured data
997499;1422564852;trinque;anyhow that's what I'll do for now
997500;1422564915;davout;TheNewDeal: blockchain.info failed miserably at detecting them for a while, don't know if that's changed since, but afaik it's perfectly standard, and nodes will relay them
997501;1422564935;trinque;since the thing publishes once an hour, rolling forward doesn't seem that big a deal
997502;1422564971;trinque;each time it's funded the starting point will advance, too
997503;1422565118;davout;trinque: so you keep the txid around, query your client for the txout and work from there? not very clear on what you mean
997504;1422565277;jurov;mod6 i like the banner. not sure we're all necessarily cryptoanarchists, tho
997505;1422565299;jurov;there it alt least one cryptokyriarch
997506;1422565305;jurov;*at
997507;1422565339;jurov;lol what word... Serenissima Cryptokyriarchy
997508;1422565346;trinque;davout: we did not find a way to just "get all utxos" from btcd, could've overlooked something obvious. barring that, I can roll forward from the block where it was first funded and just chew on all the transactions from there forward looking for relevant ones
997509;1422565391;ben_vulpes;yeah i've lost the btcd documentation
997510;1422565403;davout;trinque: if you import a private key into bitcoind you'll get the 'listunspent' call, don't know about btcd
997511;1422565420;trinque;davout: right, if I use a wallet, wallet does everything for me
997512;1422565425;davout;but it's not possible to get the list of unspent outs given an arbitrary private key
997513;1422565428;trinque;btcd has btcwallet, seems overkill
997514;1422565429;mod6;jurov: gotcha.
997515;1422565448;mod6;think we should switch to the black & hacker-green motif?
997516;1422565493;ben_vulpes;yeah looks great :D
997517;1422565505;davout;if you're not using the wallet you just know the first out you spend, and you know the next one from the raw tx you create, you still need 'gettxout' to not have to follow the balance around
997518;1422565507;ben_vulpes;mod6: ^^
997519;1422565509;jurov;nah. i'm for Comic Sans on pink backgeroubd
997520;1422565514;jurov;*background
997521;1422565519;davout;anyway, have fun!
997522;1422565521;mats;black and green is unreadable
997523;1422565525;ben_vulpes;<davout> but it's not possible to get the list of unspent outs given an arbitrary private key << wat
997524;1422565529;ben_vulpes;mats: fuck reading
997525;1422565554;mats;think of the poor souls that are red green colorblind
997526;1422565566;davout;ben_vulpes: bitcoind doesn't provide any way to retrieve a list of unspent outs for a key that's not in your wallet
997527;1422565576;mircea_popescu;kakobrekla: anyway, back to ganja << FIFY
997528;1422565597;ben_vulpes;https://blog.conformal.com/bip0064-not-yet/
997529;1422565598;assbot;BIP0064 – Not yet. | Conformal Systems, LLC. ... ( http://bit.ly/1A3HKtR )
997530;1422565600;kakobrekla;wut?
997531;1422565608;ben_vulpes;davout yeah i gotcha
997532;1422565613;TheNewDeal;he's saying your on the weed
997533;1422565622;TheNewDeal;you*re
997534;1422565627;ben_vulpes;davout shouldn't even be a concern for a "node"
997535;1422565638;davout;sure
997536;1422565656;ben_vulpes;f'n wallets
997537;1422565659;ben_vulpes;f'n utxos
997538;1422565662;ben_vulpes;f'n pruning
997539;1422565679;ben_vulpes;it's malice! all malice, i tell you.
997540;1422565687;mircea_popescu;you fighting the malice mice /
997541;1422565724;ben_vulpes;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q_udqEp_YR4#t=23
997542;1422565726;assbot;Whack-A-Kitty - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1A3I3Vw )
997543;1422565742;mircea_popescu;trinque: I'm starting to itch for a sqlite+deturdolatedbitcoind experiment <<< wha happened to deedbot ?
997544;1422565756;trinque;mircea_popescu: 'tis what caused it; not working on the sqlite thing atm tho
997545;1422565763;mircea_popescu;aha
997546;1422565813;trinque;this "oh hey we added getutxos" thing... no!
997547;1422565826;trinque;just expose the damn data; let the thing using the data decide what questions are interesting
997548;1422565842;mircea_popescu;quite.
997549;1422565868;mircea_popescu;but if you let people off the street do system design you get systems designed by people off the street.
997550;1422565875;trinque;mhm
997551;1422565882;kakobrekla;well good music is like a drug if thats what you meant
997552;1422565884;mircea_popescu;and a lot of political entrenchment and noncontent sprouting for pages.
997553;1422565910;mircea_popescu;the woodcollector guy spending weeks producing 10s of k's of words a day on the topic of nothing at all being the prototype for how that works.
997554;1422565916;mircea_popescu;kakobrekla yeah.
997555;1422565929;trinque;mircea_popescu: open source is dead to me
997556;1422565991;mircea_popescu;cazalla lol what's wello ?
997557;1422566025;cazalla;it's spanish for grandfather isn't it?
997558;1422566040;mircea_popescu;abuelo
997559;1422566051;mircea_popescu;close enough i guess
997560;1422566093;cazalla;maybe the spanish kid 2 doors down as a kid was not spanish then, nfi, that is what he use to call his grandfather
997561;1422566126;mircea_popescu;"btcd won�t be supporting the command because it is completely unauthenticated and insecure as pointed out numerous times on the initial pull request. In response to these concerns, a section entitled �Authentication� was added to the BIP which attempts to address the concerns by simply calling them out along with some potential modifications that could happen in the future. However, we prefer to wait until the t
997562;1422566126;mircea_popescu;hings necessary to implement this functionality in a secure fashion are already in place, which Bitcoin Core should have done as well."
997563;1422566135;mircea_popescu;"The BIP was authored by Mike Hearn who also provided the implementation for Bitcoin Core."
997564;1422566138;mircea_popescu;will wonders never cease.
997565;1422566145;mircea_popescu;just take that idiot out and shoot him already.
997566;1422566194;mircea_popescu;in case it's not clear, no anything authored by hearn may ever be merged into anything. i don't care what it is. the dog learns to shine shoes or do carpentry or whatever, but he does not work wioth computers anymore.
997567;1422566203;mircea_popescu;and im negrating anyone ever hiring him, on general principle.
997568;1422566290;mircea_popescu;davout, fluffypony  < i don't think bitcoin reference supports either nlocktime or multisig.
997569;1422566296;mircea_popescu;both being spuriously stupid ideas anyway.
997570;1422566419;mircea_popescu;jurov: lol what word... Serenissima Cryptokyriarchy << or Cryptokickyourbuttocracy why not.
997571;1422566480;mircea_popescu;mod6 where's this banner anyway ?
997572;1422566644;mod6;thebitcoin.foundation
997573;1422566653;mod6;i just swapped it like 2 seconds ago
997574;1422566687;mod6;works pretty decent with lynx
997575;1422566776;mod6;<3 | h8
997576;1422566780;mod6;?
997577;1422566793;pete_dushenski;nLockTime is a parameter that can be attached to a transaction, that mandates a minimal time (specified in either unix time or block height), that before this time, the transaction cannot be accepted into a block.
997578;1422566799;pete_dushenski;^for those like me who didn't know
997579;1422566825;pete_dushenski;ya, seems spurious
997580;1422566848;davout;mircea_popescu: actually both are supported
997581;1422566857;davout;multisig in two different ways
997582;1422566880;davout;and nlocktime only in the original way, not in gmaxwell's/todd's way
997583;1422567135;jurov;lol @ that time discussion
997584;1422567183;jurov;in fact, since earth is noninertial frame, even atomic time depends on latitude
997585;1422567231;jurov;no need to invent the effects of dark matter on subatomic particles
997586;1422567307;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24501 @ 0.00042378 = 10.383 BTC [+]
997587;1422567431;jurov;mhm, did anyone already suggest time synchronization by actually tracking heavenly bodies by outdoor camera?
997588;1422567456;trinque;jurov: heh, I think decimation did
997589;1422567504;jurov;maybe but it was understood only in philosohical sense
997590;1422567523;jurov;while it's in fact actionable idea
997591;1422567526;trinque;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=28-01-2015#994906
997592;1422567526;assbot;Logged on 28-01-2015 05:23:30; *: decimation would prefer to humbly submit to the silent dance of the celestial spheres, as man has done for all known time
997593;1422567607;*;jurov imagines going asking for roof access and number of cloudless days around DC's
997594;1422567795;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 60500 @ 0.00041926 = 25.3652 BTC [-]
997595;1422568100;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 1286 @ 0.00092397 = 1.1882 BTC [+] {4} 
997596;1422568104;fluffypony;http://www.redditblog.com/2015/01/reddits-first-transparency-report.html
997597;1422568105;assbot;blog.reddit -- what's new on reddit: reddit’s first transparency report ... ( http://bit.ly/1DcX4BP )
997598;1422568176;asciilifeform;nlocktime >> obligatory >> http://bash.bitcoin-assets.com/?quote=314
997599;1422568178;assbot;#bitcoin-assets bash ... ( http://bit.ly/1DcXgRJ )
997600;1422568183;ben_vulpes;also
997601;1422568186;ben_vulpes;fuck an nlocktime
997602;1422568388;asciilifeform;'multisig' is yet another chumpatronic engineering structural element, just as nlocktime is (see link)
997603;1422568402;asciilifeform;ultimate purpose of which is usg escrow of coin.
997604;1422568513;pete_dushenski;asciilifeform that bashed quote is a clean cut, nicely done
997605;1422568563;asciilifeform;these two misfeatures are not accidental 'derperies' but have very specific, well-thought-out purpose.
997606;1422568741;ben_vulpes;i dislike them
997607;1422568756;ben_vulpes;cannot abide.
997608;1422568757;pete_dushenski;so off with its head!
997609;1422568924;asciilifeform;chumpatronics aside, they also have the more pedestrian objective of creating GBs of turdsactions that bob about in mempool indefinitely, blowing up memory footprint in non-mitigable ways
997610;1422569027;davout;why would they hang out in the mempool?
997611;1422569088;davout;utxo maybe, but mempool i dun see
997612;1422569168;punkman;I've seen nlocktime mentioned in various microtransaction derpage, needed to help fill those 20mb blocks
997613;1422569259;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 58000 @ 0.00041888 = 24.295 BTC [-] {3} 
997614;1422569280;jurov;asciilifeform: re: jet heaters: http://www.tratovestroje.wbs.cz/Prudove_rozmrazovace.html
997615;1422569281;assbot;Prúdové rozmrazovače | Traťové stroje ... ( http://bit.ly/1Dd0wwn )
997616;1422569644;punkman;http://www.wired.com/2015/01/alvaro-laiz-ninjas-gold-rush-in-mongolia/
997617;1422569646;assbot;Inside the Dangerous World of Amateur 'Ninja' Gold Miners | WIRED ... ( http://bit.ly/1Dd1HM9 )
997618;1422569646;cazalla;bwahah https://twitter.com/ryanxcharles/status/560922573769170944 so much for redditcoin
997619;1422569647;assbot;I was just let go from reddit because cryptocurrency is not a part of reddit's near-term plans. This is unfortunate, but understandable.
997620;1422569718;fluffypony;LOL
997621;1422569781;cazalla;i think it was only december that they announced their bitcoin killer reddit notes
997622;1422569861;fluffypony;under 4 months from hire to fire
997623;1422569864;punkman;is that the "moar javascript" guy?
997624;1422569871;fluffypony;ad went out beginning of August
997625;1422569884;fluffypony;and he had started by Oct 1st
997626;1422569890;asciilifeform;http://www.wired.com/2015/01/prosecutors-trace-13-4-million-bitcoins-silk-road-ulbrichts-laptop << mega-lol
997627;1422569896;davout;cazalla: lol
997628;1422569985;pete_dushenski;Yum calculated that the transferred coins were worth a total of $13.4 million.
997629;1422569985;pete_dushenski;“You mean direct, one-to-one transfers?” prosecutor Timothy Howard asked Yum.
997630;1422569985;pete_dushenski;“Yes, direct, one-to-one transfers,” Yum responded.
997631;1422570019;pete_dushenski;mano a mano!
997632;1422570090;pete_dushenski;Remarkably, that total trail of drug-tainted coins represents more than four times as many bitcoins from Silk Road Ulbricht’s laptop than have yet been found and seized in the Silk Road investigation. It’s still not clear from Yum’s testimony where the rest of them ended up.
997633;1422570131;pete_dushenski;Given the mind-twisting complexity of the bitcoin blockchain for an unschooled jury, the defense may yet have plenty of room to inject doubt into the government’s analysis.
997634;1422570148;pete_dushenski;i should sincerely hope so
997635;1422570153;trinque;I think I'd die laughing if Karpeles was actually involved
997636;1422570174;pete_dushenski;ya that'd be pretty rich
997637;1422570225;davout;wtf is south park waiting for? so much material
997638;1422570346;pete_dushenski;that'd be funny if karpeles was behind ethereum too
997639;1422570384;pete_dushenski;http://cdn.oreillystatic.com/en/assets/1/event/130/Ethereum_%20the%20Programmable%20Blockchain%20and%20Decentralized%20Application%20Development%20Platform%20Presentation.pdf << for anyone interested in slides from vitalik's latest conference tawk
997640;1422570399;pete_dushenski;keep in mind that we're in late january and he promised, what, march delivery ?
997641;1422570412;pete_dushenski;tick tock vitalik
997642;1422570500;trinque;http://etherscripter.com/0-5-1/ << bahahaha
997643;1422570501;assbot;EtherScripter - Visual smart-contract builder for Ethereum ... ( http://bit.ly/1Dd4c1a )
997644;1422570505;trinque;End-user programming tool!
997645;1422570624;davout;bitcoin's visual basic yo
997646;1422570628;trinque;these legos suck
997647;1422570659;davout;fair trade programmable money on top of the blockchain technology
997648;1422570679;davout;pre-order here, receive in two weeks(tm)
997649;1422570720;trinque;b-b-but the website has that cool graph animation!
997650;1422570763;trinque;they win; they did the standard 1) build Responsive! (TM) website layout with big image at the top 2) kickstarter or the like 3) cut and run
997651;1422570780;trinque;this is how web business is *done*
997652;1422570959;danielpbarron;http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=9BcZ2vK6 << notes on a possible redditnote qntra article
997653;1422570960;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1Dd5r0h )
997654;1422570989;BingoBoingo;danielpbarron: If you want to write one up...
997655;1422571699;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 68400 @ 0.00042442 = 29.0303 BTC [+] {2} 
997656;1422572023;davout;https://twitter.com/Smelltastic/status/560859822208606209
997657;1422572027;assbot;Flabbergasted. Bulk of txns to Ulbricht's wallets weren't tumbled, can be traced directly to Silk Road.  /hashtag/SilkRoadTrial?src=hash
997658;1422572110;davout;"has anyone said "lolbricht" yet"
997659;1422573060;mircea_popescu;<jurov> in fact, since earth is noninertial frame, even atomic time depends on latitude <
997660;1422573163;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 42536 @ 0.00042357 = 18.017 BTC [-]
997661;1422573176;mircea_popescu;<asciilifeform> chumpatronics aside, they also have the more pedestrian objective of creating GBs of turdsactions that bob about in mempool indefinitely, blowing up memory footprint in non-mitigable ways << in any case that unpleasant side effect.
997662;1422573220;mircea_popescu;<fluffypony> under 4 months from hire to fire << progress.
997663;1422573270;mircea_popescu;<trinque> I think I'd die laughing if Karpeles was actually involved << his being *completely* uninvolved is improbable on the face.
997664;1422573294;mircea_popescu;the bitcoin-derp community is very... how shall we put this politely...
997665;1422573312;mircea_popescu;incestuous.
997666;1422573331;danielpbarron;BingoBoingo, here's what i got so far: http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=0XvvQ1Es | am I forgetting anything?
997667;1422573332;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1Dlucrv )
997668;1422573746;ben_vulpes;oh man if this kills reddit i'm going to pop a hernia laughing
997669;1422574222;BingoBoingo;danielpbarron: Looks good so far. Anything else you want to add?
997670;1422574261;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6456 @ 0.00042694 = 2.7563 BTC [+] {2} 
997671;1422574282;danielpbarron;i mean i could ramble on about why reddit sucks or why altcoins suck, but that seems to be the meat of the story
997672;1422574360;danielpbarron;in the intrests of brevity, i'm ok with it as is
997673;1422574527;ben_vulpes;;;ticker
997674;1422574528;gribble;Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 234.5, Best ask: 234.73, Bid-ask spread: 0.23000, Last trade: 234.49, 24 hour volume: 26344.77687968, 24 hour low: 220.0, 24 hour high: 242.18, 24 hour vwap: 232.064793104
997675;1422574533;ben_vulpes;noice
997676;1422574539;ben_vulpes;i had people calling the bottom at 185
997677;1422574561;ben_vulpes;(which obviously never happened)
997678;1422574627;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 97223 @ 0.00041636 = 40.4798 BTC [-] {5} 
997679;1422574703;Naphex;https://twitter.com/ryanxcharles/status/560922573769170944
997680;1422574735;assbot;I was just let go from reddit because cryptocurrency is not a part of reddit's near-term plans. This is unfortunate, but understandable.
997681;1422574735;Naphex;maybe he wanted to port all reddit to js :o
997682;1422574735;Naphex;"I was just let go from reddit because cryptocurrency is not a part of reddit's near-term plans. This is unfortunate, but understandable."
997683;1422574872;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes was about 160ish it bottomed out neh ?
997684;1422574886;mircea_popescu;Naphex was in log earlier you know :D
997685;1422575176;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 80534 @ 0.00043111 = 34.719 BTC [+] {3} 
997686;1422575420;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 50221 @ 0.00043333 = 21.7623 BTC [+] {3} 
997687;1422575546;Naphex;xD
997688;1422575554;Naphex;i just lold, tought id share :D
997689;1422575812;mircea_popescu;heh, the gavin idiots. "The chart below illustrates the growth in the number of transactions per day along with Bitcoin's market cap1.  There is a strong correlation between the two variables2.  If the correlation continues to hold, it suggests that the 1 MB blocksize limit may also limit Bitcoin's future liquidity and adoption. 1I've plotted the number of transactions excluding popular addresses to remove the on-chain
997690;1422575812;mircea_popescu; gambling bubble of 2012/2013.  This has only a minor effect on the 2014/2015 portion of the data."
997691;1422575829;mircea_popescu;so... a) correlation = causation ; b)i've doctored the data so correlation = the causation i wish to see.
997692;1422575838;mircea_popescu;this is like... the "global warming" consensus all over again.
997693;1422575891;mircea_popescu;"here's how we extrapolate data in the past to create a dataset which we arbitrarily call historical, on which we extrapolate a future. and here's how we've fixed it all to look a certain way. no matter that anything put through this mixer would look like a golf club, including most random distributions"
997694;1422575906;BingoBoingo;danielpbarron: Up!
997695;1422575930;scoopbot;New post on Qntra.net by danielpbarron: http://qntra.net/2015/01/reddit-drops-cryptocurrency-engineer/
997696;1422575973;mircea_popescu;really, usg : hire smarter people. i know that obama was wildly successful by promising a bunch of losers unprecedented financial incentives to voice for him, and i know that for that reason it WORKS for him to do all sorts of patently idiotic shit, like most recently claiming that inviting the president of israel "breaks protocol" because it could be seen as supporting a side in the coming elections, while his staff i
997697;1422575973;mircea_popescu;s actually in israel working for the other side in those same elections, not to mention the mess in the ukraine.
997698;1422575997;mircea_popescu;i know this stupid shit works for the low information voters that constitute the libertard america. figure it out : these people do not actually matter.
997699;1422576008;mircea_popescu;not in bitcoin, not in the world, not in any sense. they're here for feedstock and no more.
997700;1422576012;mircea_popescu;hire smarter people.
997701;1422576325;jurov;http://www.bloombergview.com/articles/2015-01-23/capital-one-fraud-researchers-may-also-have-done-some-fraud << if you haven't seen redacted sql query before
997702;1422576326;assbot;Capital One Fraud Researchers May Also Have Done Some Fraud - Bloomberg View ... ( http://bit.ly/1Hnb8zh )
997703;1422576335;mircea_popescu;!up felipelalli
997704;1422576345;mircea_popescu;felipelalli go moderate your blog comments.
997705;1422576371;mircea_popescu;http://media.gotraffic.net/images/i40O05xhY5Ow/v49/-1x-1.png ahaha epic.
997706;1422576373;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1Hnbkyo )
997707;1422576394;mircea_popescu;i gotta say ... that's some gnarly shit. is this how sql actually works ?
997708;1422576430;trinque;mircea_popescu: no! dear god no!
997709;1422576442;mircea_popescu;trinque % is wildcard right ?
997710;1422576452;trinque;mircea_popescu: yeah for the like operator
997711;1422576453;mircea_popescu;there's like 100 of them in there, that should be pretty wild to run
997712;1422576478;trinque;the sad thing about sql is it tried to be an end user programming language
997713;1422576488;trinque;behind that mess is an utterly elegant data model
997714;1422576505;trinque;really relational algebra's the thing, not sql, and someone should redo the former sans the latter
997715;1422576525;trinque;the idea was accountants or somesuch would be able to write SQL
997716;1422576540;mircea_popescu;hm.
997717;1422576566;Naphex;mircea_popescu: whats dummer is that looks like a table for machine learning
997718;1422576570;Naphex;and its using sql for that
997719;1422576573;Naphex;big lol
997720;1422576670;Naphex;horrible stuff
997721;1422576694;mircea_popescu;pretty gnarly.
997722;1422576735;trinque;Naphex: neh your thing just needs to be smart enough to make its own tables, relational can do runtime structure creation just fine
997723;1422576741;trinque;the system catalog is there for a reason
997724;1422576745;davout;CASEs in SQL queries, my eyes burn
997725;1422576776;cazalla;BingoBoingo, you and your altcoin coverage!!
997726;1422576793;trinque;I had a mentor burn rdbms into my mind indelibly; it's as right and overlooked as lisp
997727;1422576793;BingoBoingo;cazalla: danielpbarron's altcoin coverage
997728;1422576845;cazalla;BingoBoingo, but you encouraged him! i'm not too fussed on altcoins but i would've made mention how foolish redditors were to believe a jew was going to give away 5 million
997729;1422576851;ben_vulpes;<mircea_popescu> ben_vulpes was about 160ish it bottomed out neh ? << which plebs actually caught that knife?
997730;1422576852;davout;trinque: a lot of rdbms will let you do relational algebra, it's just that people don't use it
997731;1422576857;BingoBoingo;lol cazalla
997732;1422576881;trinque;davout: well shit, a lot of derps try to turn it into a key value store
997733;1422576891;trinque;and all kinds of other foot-blown-off scenarios
997734;1422576905;davout;yup
997735;1422576910;trinque;incidentally postgresql spanks the ass off any other kv store on earth
997736;1422576917;trinque;with native json types
997737;1422576989;jurov;mircea_popescu: that was *enterprise* sql
997738;1422577005;davout;trinque: how do you even use that kind of stuff, does it give you tools to actually filter on the json object?
997739;1422577025;davout;iirc mssql also had the kind of native stuff for xml
997740;1422577036;jurov;davout yes it does
997741;1422577040;davout;may it burn in hell
997742;1422577041;trinque;yep
997743;1422577043;jurov;with indexes, everything
997744;1422577058;trinque;postgres ate yer mongo, postgres ate yer couch
997745;1422577068;BingoBoingo;!up felipelalli
997746;1422577072;trinque;postgres slapped your mother, postgres fucked your spouse
997747;1422577081;mats;mongo was never good
997748;1422577091;trinque;mats: reasoning of "json therefore..."
997749;1422577112;mats;says the db guy i work with, anyway.
997750;1422577136;trinque;any new database will incrementally do the things sql already did
997751;1422577143;trinque;or kick them to the app layer where those idiots will do even worse
997752;1422577151;trinque;constraints, indexes, transactions, etc etc
997753;1422577177;davout;sure, lets use uuids as primary keys
997754;1422577189;trinque;this idea for example that schema's too hard! the fuck?! like building the lack of schema into each query isn't infinitely worse?
997755;1422577214;trinque;and you can write dynamic code even that will build out schema for you because there's a system catalog to reference
997756;1422577226;trinque;^ most underused feature of SQL there is
997757;1422577261;trinque;I once wrote a thing that'd dynamically generate schema for production rules of a given grammer given the relational representation of that grammar, and a dynamic to-string in the other direction
997758;1422577264;trinque;do that in your mongo
997759;1422577273;jurov;schema is subject to change irl and there be dragons. but i presume with btc it isn't a problem, no changes expected
997760;1422577303;Naphex;loving the java8 aggregates/stream api http://docs.oracle.com/javase/tutorial/collections/streams/reduction.htm
997761;1422577304;assbot;Error Page 404 ... ( http://bit.ly/1HngElg )
997762;1422577321;jurov;oracle nixed it
997763;1422577326;trinque;the company all but collapsed but we produced this: https://github.com/aquameta/pg_meta
997764;1422577327;assbot;aquameta/pg_meta · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1HngJWa )
997765;1422577359;trinque;having that you can write queries which output things which can be inserted into the writable system catalog
997766;1422577387;jurov;okay let's not go overboard with this :)
997767;1422577411;davout;jurov: lol, too late
997768;1422577413;trinque;jurov: what, writing wads of plpgsql to do it is better?
997769;1422577429;trinque;being able to declaratively modify schema was incredible
997770;1422577437;trinque;too bad the owner of the biz thought money was filthy
997771;1422577443;jurov;90% of migrations isn't about schema, but about data
997772;1422577462;trinque;I also jacked git into postgres and did an automatic migrations system
997773;1422577467;trinque;via a foreign data wrapper
997774;1422577485;trinque;given the right set of first principles in a system so many things become trivial
997775;1422577506;Naphex;http://docs.oracle.com/javase/tutorial/collections/streams/reduction.html - rocks for data access
997776;1422577508;assbot;Reduction (The Java™ Tutorials >                    Collections > Aggregate Operations) ... ( http://bit.ly/1HnhEWs )
997777;1422577514;Naphex;missed an l before
997778;1422577541;jurov;looks like sqlalchemy
997779;1422577549;trinque;yeh I don't tend to like these middle layers
997780;1422577555;davout;Naphex: looks like derpy ruby :D
997781;1422577562;trinque;^ lol
997782;1422577603;trinque;I'm oop racist so don't mind me
997783;1422577603;Naphex;davout: hehe, a bit maybe. because of the method chaining
997784;1422577635;davout;Naphex: filter(p -> p.getGender() == Person.Sex.MALE) <<< this
997785;1422577662;BingoBoingo;http://i.kinja-img.com/gawker-media/image/upload/s--cahvA-s5--/c_fit,fl_progressive,q_80,w_636/ha51bj7yo0hnmrtjhogc.jpg
997786;1422577663;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1Hnixym )
997787;1422577664;davout;select(&:male?) yo
997788;1422577680;Naphex;the lambdas?
997789;1422577689;davout;yea
997790;1422577700;trinque;jeez is that java lambda syntax?
997791;1422577717;trinque;oh no, the one above
997792;1422577748;Naphex;aye
997793;1422577763;trinque;what's the second one?
997794;1422577775;trinque;ampersand colon fuck my life question mark
997795;1422577790;davout;each time i hear about java i can't help but picture these SomeObjectFactoryBuilder.getObjectFactory().getObject()
997796;1422577801;trinque;I don't see why we're still doing objects
997797;1422577809;trinque;shitty dispatch, shitty scoping tool, shitty ....
997798;1422577809;davout;trinque: that & is just a pointer to function
997799;1422577828;davout;the ? is here just to troll you, because question marks are allowed in function names
997800;1422577833;trinque;ah lol
997801;1422577850;trinque;hey that doesn't even make me mad
997802;1422577866;trinque;! for side effects, ? for booleans, seems fine to me
997803;1422577899;davout;yup
997804;1422577911;Naphex;i'm actually liking the lambda syntax :D
997805;1422577920;Naphex;(Person p) -> p.getGender() == Person.Sex.MALE && p.getAge() >= 18 && p.getAge() <= 25
997806;1422577939;trinque;(fn butts ...)
997807;1422577968;trinque;how dare these languages steal fire from the gods and claim it as their own
997808;1422577997;davout;p.male? && p.can_drink? && !p.wrinkly? <<< ruby is better
997809;1422578015;trinque;rubby aint no lisp
997810;1422578022;BingoBoingo;http://i.kinja-img.com/gawker-media/image/upload/s--VN43K3eE--/ld5qrkkxenvu9o8sqjy7.png
997811;1422578024;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1Hnkfji )
997812;1422578028;trinque;python's my default slumming language
997813;1422578038;trinque;long as you never write "class" you'll survive
997814;1422578039;davout;BingoBoingo: is this dog?
997815;1422578046;BingoBoingo;Indeed
997816;1422578066;BingoBoingo;Dachshund/Pit bull mix
997817;1422578112;BingoBoingo;http://www.countryliving.com/outdoor/outdoor-living/pitbull-dashund-mix
997818;1422578113;assbot;Rami The Pitbull Dachshund Mix - Country Living ... ( http://bit.ly/1HnkH17 )
997819;1422578113;jurov;Person.query.filter(Person.gender== Person.Sex.MALE && p.age >= 18 && p.age <= 25)
997820;1422578123;jurov;^ py/sqlalchemy
997821;1422578123;davout;BingoBoingo: hah yeah, i didn't notice at first but it does look like it
997822;1422578152;BingoBoingo;Availabru for adotion
997823;1422578181;davout;it's cute and scary at the same time
997824;1422578225;trinque;face of "this is what your human hubris has wrought"
997825;1422578290;davout;ok i'm off, laters!
997826;1422578295;BingoBoingo;Adoption horror story http://www.countryliving.com/outdoor/outdoor-living/esther-the-wonder-pig
997827;1422578297;assbot;This Couple Thought They'd Adopted a Mini Pig&#151;But It Turned Out to Be a 650 Pound Porker - Esther the Wonder Pig - Country Living ... ( http://bit.ly/1HnlnU9 )
997828;1422578383;trinque;so eat the bastard
997829;1422578385;trinque;looks great
997830;1422578427;trinque;...canadians, they're probably vegan
997831;1422578450;trinque;"the duo are now vegans" LOOOL
997832;1422578455;cazalla;he's fucking game laying next to it for a nap, pigs are known for rolling and crushing the piglets
997833;1422578511;BingoBoingo;Surprised it hasn't ate the dogs
997834;1422578679;felipelalli;Hi gang noise! :] (sorry if I can't express myself very well in English)  First of all,  I want to apologize for that "gavin day", really sorry about that.
997835;1422578679;felipelalli;Then,  I can see you guys are talking something about altcoins (I couldn't follow everything),  and by change I've been thinking all day about something related to write an article.  Actually I've been thinking about it from a long time ago,  and the subject is: << the importance (or not) of a strong "second" coin >> and I'd love to read the most I could about it (altcoins, sidechain, and related) and I'm sure you guys have have a plenty of
997836;1422578680;felipelalli;material.  I know I can search on Google but I guess you guys already have selected that "cherry cake" about this theme.  Trying to summarize:  my point is to show the importance (or not) of a strong coin to be used together with bitcoin.  My initial thesis is that in the future (almost) all wallets will work with two (or maybe 3) totally different coins.  The second coin would be so important as silver was in the past when the government tried
997837;1422578680;felipelalli;to "confiscated" the gold (I heard about that but I have to study more deeply).  I came to this conclusion because I know bitcoin can't be available 24/7 forever.  It will eventually fail in some situation (for example during a bad made hard fork - either because Gavin's gang spoiled or not) and at that time everybody should already is using some strong second coin to be used as backup during a temporary "bitcoin blackout".  I think this coin
997838;1422578680;felipelalli;would work similar as silver works to the economy (silver have ~ 777B market cap in a quick search I just made, not too much compared with gold but it is enough). Even if this coin have only 5 or 6% of total bitcoin value, it could be useful to "don't stop the world" when bitcoin is under attack or maintenance. --- If I am wrong about that,  I could write about what this is a bad idea and altcoins are bad at all.
997839;1422578680;felipelalli;Thank you!
997840;1422578701;trinque;jesus christ dude, use a pastebin
997841;1422578706;felipelalli;ahhaah sorry
997842;1422578723;felipelalli;I'd write few, but... you know. I just wrote, wrote...
997843;1422578754;thestringpuller;so harsh trinque
997844;1422578760;thestringpuller;as long as his count doesn't go above mircea_popescu
997845;1422578778;pete_dushenski;Hi gang noise! :] << best opening line. ever.
997846;1422578779;trinque;thestringpuller: shit to substance ratio applies
997847;1422578804;thestringpuller;A pete_dushenski!
997848;1422578809;thestringpuller;now we can talk cars
997849;1422578811;pete_dushenski;lol hey man
997850;1422578815;ben_vulpes;felipelalli: welcome back
997851;1422578818;jurov;felipelalli: if you dream of altcoins, you might make elevator pitch about monero
997852;1422578829;felipelalli;ben_vulpes: thank you!
997853;1422578836;cazalla;felipelalli, you need more logs before this idea
997854;1422578844;jurov;^ that too
997855;1422578854;felipelalli;cazalla: that's the idea.
997856;1422578864;felipelalli;cazalla: sorry, logs in which sense?
997857;1422578905;ben_vulpes;felipelalli: logs.bitcoin-assets.com
997858;1422578908;ben_vulpes;!up felipelalli
997859;1422578961;felipelalli;ben_vulpes: and do you guys can point an specific relevant conversation about that? a day? month? Or just dig, dig, dig? :)
997860;1422578979;ben_vulpes;oh jeez well start with search.bitcoin.assets
997861;1422578982;ben_vulpes;!s altcoin
997862;1422578983;assbot;1215 results for 'altcoin' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=altcoin
997863;1422578989;ben_vulpes;!s moner
997864;1422578990;assbot;0 results for 'moner' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=moner
997865;1422578992;ben_vulpes;!s monero
997866;1422578993;assbot;93 results for 'monero' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=monero
997867;1422578995;ben_vulpes;!s litecoin
997868;1422578996;assbot;566 results for 'litecoin' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=litecoin
997869;1422578998;ben_vulpes;!s potcoin
997870;1422578998;assbot;0 results for 'potcoin' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=potcoin
997871;1422579003;ben_vulpes;lolrly?
997872;1422579006;ben_vulpes;!s darkcoin
997873;1422579012;assbot;61 results for 'darkcoin' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=darkcoin
997874;1422579029;ben_vulpes;do you get it?
997875;1422579033;felipelalli;yes, perfect!
997876;1422579053;ben_vulpes;mk
997877;1422579063;ben_vulpes;well i'm off to hobnob with the lawyers i'll catch y'all on the flipside
997878;1422579071;danielpbarron;BingoBoingo, last sentence of that article: s/it's/its/
997879;1422579087;felipelalli;this search engine seems pretty smart.
997880;1422579092;felipelalli;thank you.
997881;1422579096;ben_vulpes;felipelalli: tell that to asciilifeform :D
997882;1422579106;kakobrekla;and dont forget to run.
997883;1422579112;felipelalli;asciilifeform: your engine is pretty smart, thank you. :)
997884;1422579114;BingoBoingo;danielpbarron: done
997885;1422579123;kakobrekla;lel.
997886;1422579192;thestringpuller;danielpbarron: i never wanna see a regex search and replace again
997887;1422579194;thestringpuller;:(
997888;1422579307;ben_vulpes;mjokes my clock's an hour fast
997889;1422579685;mike_c;felipelalli: read this.  http://trilema.com/2014/the-woes-of-altcoin-or-why-there-is-no-such-thing-as-cryptocurrencies/
997890;1422579686;assbot;The woes of Altcoin, or why there is no such thing as "cryptocurrencies" pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.  ... ( http://bit.ly/1Hnsb4e )
997891;1422579729;felipelalli;*perfect* thanks mike_c !!
997892;1422579864;jurov;felipelalli there's much more good stuff on trilema
997893;1422579897;felipelalli;jurov: I'll search. Thank you.
997894;1422580525;ben_vulpes;isis taking off after the Kingdom?
997895;1422580567;mod6;felipelalli: read all of 2012, 2013, 2014 & 2015 trilema.com
997896;1422580584;mod6;there are some good ones in 2011 too
997897;1422580617;felipelalli;mod6: thanks, a lot to study!
997898;1422580619;felipelalli;year 1933 - seizure of gold http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Executive_Order_6102, seizure of silver http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Executive_Order_6814 one year later. Just insane.
997899;1422580621;assbot;Executive Order 6102, - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ... ( http://bit.ly/1yGYbpe )
997900;1422580622;assbot;Executive Order 6814 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ... ( http://bit.ly/1yGYbFF )
997901;1422581203;pete_dushenski;http://www.contravex.com/2015/01/30/how-to-become-a-good-poker-player-translated/
997902;1422581204;assbot;How to become a good poker player, translated. | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski ... ( http://bit.ly/1HnAg8Y )
997903;1422581247;pete_dushenski;^for the non-romanian-speaking poker players among us
997904;1422581338;mike_c;conference this year should definitely include a poker game
997905;1422581487;asciilifeform;felipelalli: i didn't write it. and it's a piece of shit.
997906;1422581531;jurov;any canadian around here pls - are corporations' annual reports public? and where?
997907;1422581554;pete_dushenski;mike_c even though i won't be there, that's a sublime idea
997908;1422581568;pete_dushenski;jurov what corporations are these?
997909;1422581577;asciilifeform;pete_dushenski: why won't be there ?
997910;1422581577;jurov;https://www.ic.gc.ca/app/scr/cc/CorporationsCanada/fdrlCrpDtls.html?corpId=7173326
997911;1422581591;felipelalli;asciilifeform: ahahahah. fair. are you writing a better one?
997912;1422581593;jurov;it says "Filed" but where?
997913;1422581605;pete_dushenski;asciilifeform a good friend's wedding.
997914;1422581619;pete_dushenski;i'd be remiss if i missed it
997915;1422581623;asciilifeform;felipelalli: it has a brain-damaged option turned on, that replaces words with supposedly similar ones
997916;1422581640;asciilifeform;felipelalli: could be turned off, would take five seconds. but it isn't my search engine
997917;1422581678;felipelalli;asciilifeform: isn't that part of assbot wrote by you?
997918;1422581684;asciilifeform;no.
997919;1422581694;pete_dushenski;jurov hmm. i don't believe that there's a requirement to publish annual reports for private corporations.
997920;1422581700;pete_dushenski;in canada
997921;1422581726;jurov;kk
997922;1422581744;pete_dushenski;that's all for me for today. laters!
997923;1422581790;jurov;hm. interesting, while even my puny llc has to have balance sheet public
997924;1422581863;mike_c;or anywhere else afaik.
997925;1422581879;mike_c;that's one of the perks of "private"
997926;1422581966;jurov;there's no such thing as private corp. here. anything except for physical person gets their filings published
997927;1422582016;mike_c;wow.  balance sheet says who?  audited?
997928;1422582048;jurov;not necessarily audited. it's just mandatory part of yearly tax report
997929;1422582062;mike_c;interesting
997930;1422582258;jurov;and why i'm asking in first place. noo corp.is our friend jorash again
997931;1422582263;jurov;i'll say more later
997932;1422582294;jurov;of simulated quantum computing fame
997933;1422582303;trinque;http://qz.com/332059/apple-is-reportedly-giving-the-chinese-government-access-to-its-devices-for-a-security-assessment/
997934;1422582304;assbot;Apple is reportedly giving the Chinese government access to its devices for “security checks”  –  Quartz ... ( http://bit.ly/1yH6nWA )
997935;1422582548;asciilifeform;http://cryptome.org/2015/01/brown-147.pdf << mega-usg-lol
997936;1422582550;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1yH7m9g )
997937;1422582566;asciilifeform;^ condemned to pay infinite fine, and to use only microshit
997938;1422582588;asciilifeform;(pgs. 4, 5)
997939;1422582602;asciilifeform;on top of jail term
997940;1422582679;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31500 @ 0.00041692 = 13.133 BTC [-]
997941;1422582811;trinque;asciilifeform: "mental health treatment" << we will drug the fuck out of you until you forget your name
997942;1422582840;asciilifeform;for non-u.s. folks: gigantic fines like these are imposed in case the condemned owned any real estate
997943;1422582845;asciilifeform;which is then auctioned off
997944;1422583191;danielpbarron;http://gribble.dreamhosters.com/channellogs/supybot/%23supybot.2010-10-11.log << birth of gribble?
997945;1422583192;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1yHaxO7 )
997946;1422583243;decimation;asciilifeform: lol @ probation restrictions
997947;1422583259;asciilifeform;decimation: apparently, typical
997948;1422583271;decimation;yes, given that they are a 'program'
997949;1422583304;asciilifeform;it's rather puzzling why they haven't reached the point where the condemned is required to wear a wireless microphone, camera, and shock collar
997950;1422583323;decimation;why don't these kind of people with a brain just leave the country?
997951;1422583336;trinque;decimation: working on it!!
997952;1422583338;asciilifeform;hard enough -without- the collar
997953;1422583368;decimation;I guess usg is very good at the good cop/bad cop routine in its derpy way
997954;1422583368;trinque;turns out you have to pay them for the right to cross the imaginary line an odd number of times
997955;1422583413;decimation;the real problem with us 'gulag' system isn't really the jail term, etc
997956;1422583417;asciilifeform;trinque: that's more of an issue if you're actually worth money
997957;1422583423;decimation;it's the fact that you will never be employed by a non-sleazy person again
997958;1422583450;trinque;asciilifeform: I imagine so
997959;1422583691;asciilifeform;usa is a tar pit the likes of which cannot be imagined by folks unfamiliar with the subject. those without money - cannot afford to make even basic preparations to flee; those with some - e.g., with a profession - know full well that they are not needed or wanted outside of the usg sphere of influence; those with serious money - understand (or sometimes don't) that their 'wealth' is really a creature of usg, and really lives i
997960;1422583691;asciilifeform;n the treasury all along
997961;1422583720;trinque;decimation: my biz employs a friend who was thoroughly stomped by the... incidentally texan justice system for sending a prank email
997962;1422583729;trinque;in high school
997963;1422583744;trinque;they pounded him under some kind of computer terrorism thing, and he could barely find work
997964;1422583747;trinque;sharp dude, works his ass off
997965;1422583758;decimation;yeah I feel sorry for folks caught in such a chumpatron
997966;1422583766;decimation;he would be better off going to mexico probably
997967;1422583770;asciilifeform;if i were a kgb recruiter, i would be searching for these folks.
997968;1422583773;asciilifeform;far and wide.
997969;1422583780;mike_c;asciilifeform: what's the target memory usage for this thing?
997970;1422583785;decimation;http://motherboard.vice.com/read/tor-and-encryption-have-created-a-zone-of-lawlessness-justice-department-says
997971;1422583786;assbot;Tor and Encryption Have Created a ‘Zone of Lawlessness,’ Justice Department Says | Motherboard ... ( http://bit.ly/1yHdj5V )
997972;1422583786;asciilifeform;mike_c: <128M
997973;1422583818;decimation;"Caldwell was being interviewed as a part of the annual State of the Net Conference in Washington, DC. One minute, she was vilifying encryption; the next, she was sending a message to the country’s citizens and companies that they need to be “more conscious of cybersecurity.” “They need to be assuming they are vulnerable, assuming their data can be taken,” she said"
997974;1422583828;mike_c;ok.  mine takes ~220 right out of the gate, i assume there are some dials that can lower that?
997975;1422583851;trinque;how do they expect to beat the curiosity out of people for generations and expect that anyone useful will be produced?
997976;1422583852;asciilifeform;mike_c: what you're seeing is largely os disk cache.
997977;1422583877;mike_c;k
997978;1422583892;cazalla;asciilifeform, why recruit these folk? fwiw, i never had a single one door knock me and offer a job lol https://twitter.com/captaincazalla/status/559163136096600065
997979;1422583894;assbot;i'm an OG troll.. this was from 15 years ago today.. i'll still be at it in another 15 years http://t.co/wURemoBAKY
997980;1422583924;mike_c;as update, my 0 orphan test didn't go anywhere (stopped cold at block 500).  So I'm trying now with a 50 block orphan cache.  I think the right number is proportional to the # of connections you have.
997981;1422583929;mike_c;anyhoo, we'll see how this one runs.
997982;1422583930;asciilifeform;cazalla: what's that
997983;1422583988;cazalla;<asciilifeform> if i were a kgb recruiter, i would be searching for these folks. <<< re: that or maybe i just misread chat
997984;1422583996;asciilifeform;aha
997985;1422584036;asciilifeform;cazalla: what's the perfect job for intelligent, resourceful folks shut out of the normal economy by demented regime ?
997986;1422584065;cazalla;killing people or just making threats? :P
997987;1422584095;BingoBoingo;<asciilifeform> cazalla: what's the perfect job for intelligent, resourceful folks shut out of the normal economy by demented regime ? << Very interested in answer to this question.
997988;1422584097;asciilifeform;the fascination with 'death threats' the nato world has is very peculiar
997989;1422584116;trinque;asciilifeform: this was how my friend's email was construed
997990;1422584117;asciilifeform;if you were planning to kill someone, would you helpfully tell him first ?
997991;1422584147;trinque;can't recall the text of it but really... "school's out forever" level stuff, nothing terrible
997992;1422584151;decimation;asciilifeform: I think it is related to the 'confession culture' of the us legal system
997993;1422584156;trinque;grow up cowards
997994;1422584198;asciilifeform;it's related to the 'cardinal richelieu' culture of having the proverbial six words written by every honest man to hang him by
997995;1422584213;asciilifeform;some fool with a short temper, fond of 'death threating' - will be condemned for that
997996;1422584217;asciilifeform;dope aficionado - for dope
997997;1422584232;asciilifeform;popular with the gurlz? (assange!) - 'rape'
997998;1422584233;asciilifeform;etc.
997999;1422584241;trinque;make any money? irs
998000;1422584249;asciilifeform;can fill in this chart
998001;1422584250;asciilifeform;not hard.
998002;1422584255;cazalla;actually, australian magistrate's just tell you to go away and stop wasting his time with death threat charges
998003;1422584293;decimation;cazalla: do they jail the drunken aboriginals much there?
998004;1422584320;cazalla;decimation, nope, they run em over https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uCxc4SjpN6M
998005;1422584321;assbot;Man jumps off bridge and gets hit by a fire truck - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1yHfDKo )
998006;1422584332;BingoBoingo;Pretty sure Australia just helps the Abbos gas themselves
998007;1422584343;decimation;\\]
998008;1422584430;cazalla;BingoBoingo, that'd be the british, they'd bury the abo kids in the sand and kick their heads off
998009;1422584461;BingoBoingo;cazalla: I though your government was still shipping them that recreational 87 octane
998010;1422584520;cazalla;cheap atm too, 99c a L for 91o, i'm sure the abos can afford top shelf 98o at these prices
998011;1422584679;asciilifeform;if anyone here is fond of www programming, can write one of those quizzes, a la 'which genocidal dictator are you?' --- 'what will you be in u.s. prison for, ten years hence ?'
998012;1422584698;BingoBoingo;Gas just went up 25 cents here today after going up 10 cents earlier this week.
998013;1422584725;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: a number of locales are in the process of raising fuel tax, yours may be one of them
998014;1422584764;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: Not yet. Across the river there is talk of it, but not yet here.
998015;1422584766;asciilifeform;basic 'laffer curve' idea, it would seem
998016;1422584806;BingoBoingo;Right
998017;1422585262;BingoBoingo;Mega lol http://fredrikdeboer.com/2015/01/29/i-dont-know-what-to-do-you-guys/
998018;1422585263;assbot;I don’t know what to do, you guys | Fredrik deBoer ... ( http://bit.ly/1yHk4VA )
998019;1422585637;BingoBoingo;!up goldview
998020;1422585912;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 41250 @ 0.0004302 = 17.7458 BTC [+] {3} 
998021;1422586426;BingoBoingo;kakobrekla: If you ever have reason to soul slander gar again, here is a picture of his namesake meeting an end https://twitter.com/PicTimedPerfect/status/359290644281294848/photo/1
998022;1422586427;assbot;Dinner time. http://t.co/byNpmBnFRU
998023;1422586454;kakobrekla;lol
998024;1422586459;kakobrekla;nice pic
998025;1422586907;danielpbarron;;;later tell girevik you're rating in the wrong WoT!
998026;1422586908;gribble;The operation succeeded.
998027;1422587193;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 59200 @ 0.00041426 = 24.5242 BTC [-] {2} 
998028;1422588047;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 46458 @ 0.00042063 = 19.5416 BTC [+] {2} 
998029;1422589145;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20051 @ 0.00042889 = 8.5997 BTC [+] {2} 
998030;1422589593;mircea_popescu;ahhh lomito de cordero &trumpeter malbec
998031;1422589744;mircea_popescu;felipelalli http://trilema.com/2014/the-woes-of-altcoin-or-why-there-is-no-such-thing-as-cryptocurrencies/
998032;1422589745;assbot;The woes of Altcoin, or why there is no such thing as "cryptocurrencies" pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.  ... ( http://bit.ly/1ySxvXi )
998033;1422589850;mircea_popescu;felipelalli: asciilifeform: your engine is pretty smart, thank you. :) <<< mmm win :D
998034;1422589872;mircea_popescu;shit mike_c beats me by like hours.
998035;1422589907;mircea_popescu;pete_dushenski: ^for the non-romanian-speaking poker players among us << sheeit check that out
998036;1422590304;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26650 @ 0.00041314 = 11.0102 BTC [-]
998037;1422591647;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12950 @ 0.00041213 = 5.3371 BTC [-] {3} 
998038;1422591770;mats;brown-147.pdf << where is your republic now?
998039;1422592256;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 37792 @ 0.00041129 = 15.5435 BTC [-] {2} 
998040;1422592318;scoopbot;New post on Qntra.net by Bingo Boingo: http://qntra.net/2015/01/barret-brown-the-myth-of-plea-leniency/
998041;1422592421;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: 'Явка с повинной облегчает совесть и удлиняет срок.' (ru. jailhouse proverb: 'a guilty plea lightens your conscience and lengthens your sentence.')
998042;1422592488;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: That's really all it seems like except for those who accept a side of pederastry as they plea
998043;1422592547;BingoBoingo;https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/2u4nv4/ryan_x_charles_on_twitter_i_was_just_let_go_from/co5899p?context=3
998044;1422592549;assbot;ryancarnated comments on Ryan X. Charles on Twitter: "I was just let go from reddit because cryptocurrency is not a part of reddit's near-term plans. This is unfortunate, but understandable." ... ( http://bit.ly/1BBITH2 )
998045;1422592579;danielpbarron;BingoBoingo, "The get hit with just under a million dollars" s/The/Then/c
998046;1422592641;BingoBoingo;danielpbarron: fxd, thx
998047;1422592974;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: But in American popular culture there is a carefully groomed myth through all kinds of fictitious media that in criminal proceedings a plea always results in some form of mercy from the courts when all it does is keep the cattle line moving through the feedlot.
998048;1422593170;danielpbarron;!rated metsuno
998049;1422593170;assbot;metsuno is not registered in WoT.
998050;1422593178;danielpbarron;!up metsuno
998051;1422593283;danielpbarron;hi metsuno
998052;1422593290;metsuno;Hi Daniel
998053;1422593325;metsuno;The constant openness of this channel, and everyone on it, freightens me slightly.
998054;1422593331;danielpbarron;heh
998055;1422593333;danielpbarron;good
998056;1422593400;metsuno;Why don't I see more pseudonymity here?
998057;1422593425;danielpbarron;what is that?
998058;1422593459;danielpbarron;anonymity is counter to the purposes of the WoT, although a user does not need to link their key to their slave name
998059;1422593474;metsuno;anonymity != pseudonymity
998060;1422593488;metsuno;oh
998061;1422593495;metsuno;I didn't read it that carefully
998062;1422593592;mircea_popescu;;;later tell pete_dushenski: http://trilema.com/2015/how-to-be-good-at-poker/
998063;1422593593;assbot;How to be good at poker pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.  ... ( http://bit.ly/1Lovg3r )
998064;1422593593;gribble;The operation succeeded.
998065;1422593644;mircea_popescu;<metsuno> The constant openness of this channel, and everyone on it, freightens me slightly. << so it should.
998066;1422593649;mircea_popescu;we are the eaters of worlds.
998067;1422593693;mircea_popescu;jurov: any canadian around here pls - are corporations' annual reports public? and where? << if listed as a stock yes. if not, no.
998068;1422593785;mircea_popescu;mike_c: or anywhere else afaik.  << http://www.listafirme.ro/polimedia-srl-22530016/
998069;1422593787;assbot;SC POLIMEDIA SRL din Dumbravita Str. Szentes 7a, CUI 22530016 ... ( http://bit.ly/1BBMBAh )
998070;1422593876;metsuno;What does it feel like to be the eaters of worlds?
998071;1422593968;BingoBoingo;It isn't so bad, but you need to keep antacid tablets on you. The last thing you want is world induced dyspepsia affecting your composure.
998072;1422594025;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4800 @ 0.00041111 = 1.9733 BTC [-]
998073;1422594241;danielpbarron;BingoBoingo, "Had he lost at trial in the worst way one every count and received" s/one/won/c
998074;1422594291;BingoBoingo;fxd thx
998075;1422594549;scoopbot;New post on Trilema by Mircea Popescu: http://trilema.com/2015/how-to-be-good-at-poker/
998076;1422594553;asciilifeform;so!!!
998077;1422594569;asciilifeform;i just began live-fire test of the first really dangerous patch
998078;1422594573;asciilifeform;for therealbitcoin
998079;1422594584;asciilifeform;a backport of the orphan trimming mechanism.
998080;1422594790;BingoBoingo;Good luck
998081;1422594809;asciilifeform;even if it works, it will need serious review
998082;1422594816;asciilifeform;by folks who actually understand what they are doing.
998083;1422595024;BingoBoingo;!up metsuno
998084;1422595099;danielpbarron;metsuno, get in that WoT so i can rate you!
998085;1422595101;metsuno;Thanks BingoBoingo
998086;1422595122;danielpbarron;and who were you btw, forgive me i can't recall who you were
998087;1422595123;metsuno;I'm need to muck around with my os first though
998088;1422595126;danielpbarron;it's been a while since porcfest
998089;1422595164;metsuno;we had a very lenghty discussion about bitcoin. you told me about the awesomeness of openbsd. i helped you pretend-assassinate that guy.
998090;1422595186;danielpbarron;ohhh cool that's who i thought
998091;1422595303;danielpbarron;that assassin thing was the best part of the whole week, besides poker of course
998092;1422595384;metsuno;it was an interesting adventure. that's for sure.
998093;1422595412;danielpbarron;are you going to the next one? I'm planning on it
998094;1422595457;danielpbarron;hopefully with a box full of cardanos and a qntra press pass
998095;1422595492;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform im not so sure this is a good idea.
998096;1422595501;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: it's a test.
998097;1422595511;mircea_popescu;"a test"
998098;1422595513;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: quite certainly not meant to go in the tree under any circumstances.
998099;1422595519;asciilifeform;test of hypothesis.
998100;1422595564;asciilifeform;it runs
998101;1422595574;asciilifeform;but i very much did not like what i had to do to get it to build.
998102;1422595584;metsuno;danielpbarron, I'm definitely going.
998103;1422595671;asciilifeform;i will describe the algorithm here.
998104;1422595677;asciilifeform;(as found in the enemy code)
998105;1422595723;asciilifeform;what they did is to set a limit (default == 750) of 'orphan blocks' (terribly confusing term, nothing whatsoever to do with orphaned chains)
998106;1422595739;asciilifeform;and when the limit is reached, one is picked for eviction from the cache
998107;1422595757;mircea_popescu;;;later tell phillipsjk "run into the ground" ? lay off the pipe, man. you don't have enough disposable income to cover my harem's feminine hygiene products bill.
998108;1422595757;gribble;The operation succeeded.
998109;1422595759;asciilifeform;but if it has antecedents, the chain of those is followed to the end and the terminus is dropped.
998110;1422595767;mircea_popescu;a collection of yous is going to run exactly noting into exactly nothing.
998111;1422595812;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform as i said before, it's a kudge to fix another kludge. we don't really wnat any of it.
998112;1422595831;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: you can't even begin to fathom how true this is
998113;1422595839;asciilifeform;(unless you read the bugger)
998114;1422595868;asciilifeform;the question does remain, however - what is to be done with toy node
998115;1422595871;mircea_popescu;you know the joke with the shitting jews ?
998116;1422595874;asciilifeform;?
998117;1422595885;mircea_popescu;two jews shitting in adjoining stalls.
998118;1422595891;mircea_popescu;"hey, do you suppose this is work ?"
998119;1422595898;mircea_popescu;"nah. if it were, we'd be paying someone to do it for us."
998120;1422595904;asciilifeform;lol!
998121;1422595915;mircea_popescu;anyway. "what is to be done" re what ?
998122;1422595931;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: it can't fly with 0.5.3.1 as it presently lives.
998123;1422595937;mircea_popescu;and you know this how ?
998124;1422595958;asciilifeform;strong empirical data
998125;1422595962;mircea_popescu;be specific.
998126;1422595969;asciilifeform;oomkill every 20 min. or so
998127;1422595973;mircea_popescu;so ?
998128;1422595985;mircea_popescu;once it takes > 10 mins / block i'll care.
998129;1422595990;asciilifeform;eventually db will be corrupted (may already be silently corrupt?)
998130;1422596000;mircea_popescu;it'll be fine.
998131;1422596009;asciilifeform;see observations of ben_vulpes re: above
998132;1422596026;mircea_popescu;trust in your t-34 with non-interchangeable parts and random fabrication defects
998133;1422596028;asciilifeform;other thing is, it's quadratic.
998134;1422596030;mircea_popescu;it won a great patriotic war.
998135;1422596035;mircea_popescu;look, let it run first.
998136;1422596040;asciilifeform;every time the thing reboots, the longer the chain, the longer the re-init.
998137;1422596053;mircea_popescu;let it run to where it takes > 10 minutes / block.
998138;1422596072;asciilifeform;there's another aspect to it
998139;1422596085;asciilifeform;the behaviour of the thing during death is by no means well-defined
998140;1422596090;mircea_popescu;right.
998141;1422596096;asciilifeform;not merely concerning the db
998142;1422596108;asciilifeform;but if node is being used 'in anger'
998143;1422596115;mircea_popescu;welcome the filth that is practical bitcoin into your heart, ascii
998144;1422596160;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 3170 @ 0.00091997 = 2.9163 BTC [+] {3} 
998145;1422596166;asciilifeform;enemy will search far and wide for stories of one of these things catastrophically losing
998146;1422596176;asciilifeform;and if can't find, will create plausible scene.
998147;1422596206;mircea_popescu;so ?
998148;1422596216;mircea_popescu;enemy can not beat 12 dolla.
998149;1422596236;asciilifeform;he will say 'mine is $0, runs on your winblows pc'
998150;1422596248;mircea_popescu;we're upstream. enemy wants to kill bitpay, it can start a forkwar with me. enemy wants to convince people "bitcoin sucks", it can "create plausible scenes"
998151;1422596251;mircea_popescu;yaya.
998152;1422596313;asciilifeform;just pointing out that it may prove tricky to convince folks that a node which is, de facto, 7/8th duty cycle or worse, is a good thing
998153;1422596346;asciilifeform;likewise, the orphans thing is an easy ddos vector
998154;1422596366;asciilifeform;any moron can connect to one of our boxes and take a steaming shit in it
998155;1422596382;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo http://www.contravex.com/2015/01/30/how-to-become-a-good-poker-player-translated/#comment-9277 << is this guy from a parallel universe or wtf.
998156;1422596383;assbot;How to become a good poker player, translated. | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski ... ( http://bit.ly/1EtmYp1 )
998157;1422596383;asciilifeform;insta-zap.
998158;1422596405;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform 12 dollars.
998159;1422596439;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: Opiates are not barbiturate, and heroin withdrawal indeed often only makes people wish they were dying.
998160;1422596439;asciilifeform;12 dollars for a box that can be driven off the net by blowing on it
998161;1422596461;mircea_popescu;i never heard of an "alcohol addict" dead for no alcohol.
998162;1422596479;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform you have to keep blowing.
998163;1422596484;BingoBoingo;barbiturate withdrawals, benzodiazepine withdrawals and alcohols withdrawls, potentially deadly "Delerium Tremens"
998164;1422596501;mircea_popescu;delirium tremens is hardly that ffs.
998165;1422596502;asciilifeform;the 'naturally-occurring' nodes supply most of the wind
998166;1422596531;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform it is also very easy to squish a cockroach.
998167;1422596545;mircea_popescu;atmosphere already supplies most of the squishing.
998168;1422596558;asciilifeform;lol
998169;1422596594;asciilifeform;haha, it finally croaked
998170;1422596599;asciilifeform;750 was a bit much.
998171;1422596612;*;asciilifeform puts the traditional turd back on
998172;1422596621;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform to be clear, did you stop the original thing again to run a something else ?
998173;1422596625;asciilifeform;yes
998174;1422596630;mircea_popescu;yeah srsly, just buy another box if you can't stop fucking with it
998175;1422596634;mircea_popescu;and let the thing just run unmolested.
998176;1422596640;asciilifeform;2nd box came finally.
998177;1422596815;mircea_popescu;decimation: why don't these kind of people with a brain just leave the country? <<< i dunno decimation. why don't they ?
998178;1422596996;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform: if you were planning to kill someone, would you helpfully tell him first ? << that's not the point. in a normal society, the threat is a fundamental tool to hierarchy building.
998179;1422597010;asciilifeform;-credible- thread.
998180;1422597012;asciilifeform;*threat
998181;1422597013;mircea_popescu;the socialist state does not want a normally functioning society, but instead this stellar configuration where the state is at the center,
998182;1422597021;mircea_popescu;and every citizen linked to it to the detriment of all else.
998183;1422597027;mircea_popescu;no, not credible. a threat at all.
998184;1422597043;mircea_popescu;it works on fundamental structures of the hominid brain, much like flirting makes the girl wet.
998185;1422597096;mircea_popescu;which is why i am not ever giving it up. the freedom to threaten is not merely my fundamental, unassailable sovereign property, but moreover essential for the construction of effectual instruments to squash the socialists and their golums.
998186;1422597119;asciilifeform;this is a very sharp observation, but is it unique to the modern state?
998187;1422597131;mircea_popescu;well, that quickly gets iffy.
998188;1422597141;asciilifeform;what of ancient despotisms, with the public impaler, etc. - did not want to be at the stellar configuration center ?
998189;1422597151;mircea_popescu;nah, no mechanised ways to handle it,
998190;1422597168;mircea_popescu;the computer has a lot to do with this, it's a quantum leap in the possibilities of bureaucracy.
998191;1422597171;asciilifeform;the khan rides from town to town, has squad in tow with stake
998192;1422597183;asciilifeform;or, ivan iv, with cauldrons/oil
998193;1422597188;asciilifeform;worked beautifully
998194;1422597200;mircea_popescu;if it worked, more by accident than anything.
998195;1422597219;mircea_popescu;think of it this way : most russian peasants as late as 1800 had never seen the czar.
998196;1422597228;mircea_popescu;every last us residing cockroach has seen obama THIS WEEK
998197;1422597232;asciilifeform;well yes
998198;1422597236;mircea_popescu;well then.
998199;1422597244;asciilifeform;but the basic dread of the state, by peasant, is similar
998200;1422597253;mircea_popescu;no.
998201;1422597264;mircea_popescu;the peasant did not fear the czar will come and fuck his daughter.
998202;1422597271;mircea_popescu;the peasant loved the czar specifically for this reason.
998203;1422597314;asciilifeform;more of a 'good cop / bad cop' symbiosis b/w king and next level of org chart down
998204;1422597320;ben_vulpes;good evening!
998205;1422597332;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes!
998206;1422597338;ben_vulpes;hello sir!
998207;1422597342;ben_vulpes;asciilifeform how are you?
998208;1422597357;asciilifeform;feeling very much dirtied by the dirt
998209;1422597361;asciilifeform;see log.
998210;1422597363;ben_vulpes;it is so very filthy
998211;1422597374;mircea_popescu;there's some lovely mud down here!
998212;1422597374;ben_vulpes;console yourself with the reality that life is a filthy entropic process
998213;1422597381;ben_vulpes;wallo!
998214;1422597384;ben_vulpes;wallow*!
998215;1422597391;asciilifeform;the one takeaway is that the cause of oomkill damnation in 0.5.3 can no longer be regarded as mysterious
998216;1422597392;mircea_popescu;or with the thought that you were never filthier than the day you were born.
998217;1422597404;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform causes.
998218;1422597412;asciilifeform;aha
998219;1422597422;ben_vulpes;mircea_popescu: dunno i think i've been covered in both more shit and more blood than on that day
998220;1422597434;mats;kakobrekla: where can i find information on bitbet api?
998221;1422597446;ben_vulpes;asciilifeform: orphans pool?
998222;1422597459;asciilifeform;identifiable crock o'shit; arguably an advance over the entirely enigmatic sort
998223;1422597462;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: aha.
998224;1422597463;ben_vulpes;<jurov> [] i'll say more later << tenterhooks am i on
998225;1422597525;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes as a body % ?
998226;1422597542;kakobrekla;there is an api?
998227;1422597543;ben_vulpes;absolute terms
998228;1422597553;mircea_popescu;absolutism's for the birds.
998229;1422597554;ben_vulpes;<asciilifeform> [] ^ condemned to pay infinite fine, and to use only microshit << i don't see the m$ requirement
998230;1422597557;ben_vulpes;you're a bird!
998231;1422597558;mircea_popescu;kakobrekla was there some json ?
998232;1422597564;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: pgs. 4-5
998233;1422597570;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: implicit.
998234;1422597577;kakobrekla;well that hardly counts as api
998235;1422597590;mircea_popescu;yes but what were they ?
998236;1422597593;ben_vulpes;and that hardly counts as a requirement
998237;1422597594;kakobrekla;mats try adding "?json" at end of url and see if anything happens
998238;1422597616;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: the wretch was ordered to use only systems fully compatible with traditional usg spyware used on such occasions
998239;1422597618;mircea_popescu;mats and on top of that, you can reuse addresses for as long as the bet didn't close.
998240;1422597631;ben_vulpes;anyways, mircea_popescu, relativism is for the birds.
998241;1422597668;mircea_popescu;no quantum computing for you. copme back, 1????????? year
998242;1422597696;mats;cool. rewriting the code for bitbet audit so it'll be worthy of publication this year.
998243;1422597714;mats;makes me expendable, but hey.
998244;1422597717;ben_vulpes;<asciilifeform> ben_vulpes: aha. << am i on the right track or did i skim logs in too light of detail
998245;1422597730;ben_vulpes;mats: today you automate, tomorrow you order the automation
998246;1422597739;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=30-01-2015#998077
998247;1422597739;assbot;Logged on 30-01-2015 05:09:29; asciilifeform: i just began live-fire test of the first really dangerous patch
998248;1422597746;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 1500 @ 0.0009242 = 1.3863 BTC [+] {3} 
998249;1422597756;ben_vulpes;oh fuck yes
998250;1422597771;kakobrekla;mats if you plan on hitting bb hard which i dont mind i suggest i add your ip to whitelist
998251;1422597787;ben_vulpes;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=30-01-2015#998091 << danielpbarron i require details of this assasination
998252;1422597787;assbot;Logged on 30-01-2015 05:21:43; danielpbarron: that assassin thing was the best part of the whole week, besides poker of course
998253;1422597849;ben_vulpes;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=30-01-2015#998118 << constant refrain in fiatcorp: "no billing for poops! this isn't accenture."
998254;1422597849;assbot;Logged on 30-01-2015 05:31:31; mircea_popescu: "hey, do you suppose this is work ?"
998255;1422597856;mircea_popescu;only 554 lines ? by 6am ? WTF SRSLY GUISE
998256;1422597910;ben_vulpes;yeah i can sort of almost keep up even with my mom coming over with multiple bottles of bubbles
998257;1422597915;ben_vulpes;it's pathetic i tell ya
998258;1422597918;mats;kakobrekla: nah, you won't even notice it
998259;1422597943;kakobrekla;i certainly wont, but you might. anyway, i go.
998260;1422597945;ben_vulpes;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=30-01-2015#998143 << for srs, asciilifeform. you'll want proofs of correctness and haskell-grade type systems next.
998261;1422597945;assbot;Logged on 30-01-2015 05:35:15; mircea_popescu: welcome the filth that is practical bitcoin into your heart, ascii
998262;1422597951;mats;thanks.
998263;1422598143;ben_vulpes;anyways asciilifeform how does the backported orphan-pruning situation handle the full tree?
998264;1422598154;ben_vulpes;omg it strikes me that there isn't a blocktree visualizer that i'm aware of
998265;1422598169;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: the 'orphan blocks' in question have nothing whatsoever to do with the usual definition
998266;1422598179;ben_vulpes;what praytell then are they?
998267;1422598190;asciilifeform;they are simply blocks received hopelessly out of order
998268;1422598191;ben_vulpes;<mircea_popescu> [] felipelalli: asciilifeform: your engine is pretty smart, thank you. :) <<< mmm win :D << once again i get no credit for the setup
998269;1422598198;*;ben_vulpes throws up his hands
998270;1422598203;asciilifeform;that is, anything that sails in for which you don't have an immediate ancestory
998271;1422598207;asciilifeform;*ancestor
998272;1422598210;ben_vulpes;right
998273;1422598220;ben_vulpes;should blockchain dl be performed sequentially?
998274;1422598236;asciilifeform;you can't do anything with them, except a) discard b) store in hope of gluing the chain together later
998275;1422598246;asciilifeform;classical bitcoind is all (b) and no (a)
998276;1422598250;asciilifeform;never, ever (a)
998277;1422598260;asciilifeform;thus it is doomed to die after snarfing up sufficiently many of these.
998278;1422598264;ben_vulpes;i guess the subquestion would be is b) even practical
998279;1422598273;ben_vulpes;doomed << well, question answered
998280;1422598284;asciilifeform;so it isn't a memory leak in the traditional sense
998281;1422598291;ben_vulpes;okay but to play devils advocate for a moment theoy could be dumped into the db were it used sanely
998282;1422598296;ben_vulpes;they*
998283;1422598301;asciilifeform;merely toilet that is never flushed, but continuously shat in
998284;1422598319;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: if you store these, anywhere, you set yourself up for shitburial
998285;1422598322;ben_vulpes;you and your poo metaphors
998286;1422598327;asciilifeform;since by definition there is no way to verify these blocks
998287;1422598332;asciilifeform;lacking an antecedent
998288;1422598347;asciilifeform;dr. evil can come and feed you until you burst.
998289;1422598351;ben_vulpes;no, i get it
998290;1422598378;ben_vulpes;i also appreciate your willingness to beat sense into my skull.
998291;1422598380;asciilifeform;and if, presently, 'burst' just means oomkill,
998292;1422598389;asciilifeform;if disk is involved he can now have you grind to a permanent halt
998293;1422598405;ben_vulpes;jesus fuck leave it as an exercise for once
998294;1422598409;asciilifeform;lol
998295;1422598476;BingoBoingo;!b 1
998296;1422598478;assbot;Last 1 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/386XWB2.txt )
998297;1422598492;BingoBoingo;Too many lulz to number right
998298;1422598523;ben_vulpes;<mircea_popescu> [] mike_c: or anywhere else afaik.  << http://www.listafirme.ro/polimedia-srl-22530016/ << well that's damned interesting
998299;1422598524;assbot;SC POLIMEDIA SRL din Dumbravita Str. Szentes 7a, CUI 22530016 ... ( http://bit.ly/1HoQUoD )
998300;1422598902;ben_vulpes;<mircea_popescu> [] asciilifeform as i said before, it's a kudge to fix another kludge. we don't really wnat any of it. << what was the first kludge?
998301;1422598922;asciilifeform;'inv'
998302;1422598961;asciilifeform;i.e. nodes barf blocks at one another without any real logic
998303;1422598979;asciilifeform;mr s. did not know 'gossip protocol'.
998304;1422598983;asciilifeform;did not like mathematics.
998305;1422599048;ben_vulpes;hm.
998306;1422599069;ben_vulpes;yeah, that's a steamer.
998307;1422599210;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28464 @ 0.00041111 = 11.7018 BTC [-]
998308;1422599212;ben_vulpes;so what's the plan? backport the magic 750 or discard all ahistoric blocks?
998309;1422599229;asciilifeform;i backported it. horrendous ugly.
998310;1422599252;asciilifeform;if you discard all of them - never syncs.
998311;1422599262;asciilifeform;(mike_c tried it)
998312;1422599353;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu appears to favour releasing the thing sitting now on my desk - a 0.5.3.1 that continuously reboots
998313;1422599391;asciilifeform;(and slowly grinds to a halt prior to doing so)
998314;1422599393;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29850 @ 0.00040671 = 12.1403 BTC [-] {2} 
998315;1422599401;asciilifeform;approx. every 20 min.
998316;1422599413;asciilifeform;(present height - 183172)
998317;1422599451;ben_vulpes;brutal.
998318;1422599463;ben_vulpes;how fast does that number go up?
998319;1422599478;asciilifeform;right now, ~45 sec. / block
998320;1422599496;asciilifeform;varies.
998321;1422599536;asciilifeform;if you recall, bitcoin is not 'bittorrent' and does not make use of the multitude of nodes known to it at a given moment for fetching the blockchain
998322;1422599545;asciilifeform;instead, it locks onto one particular peer
998323;1422599558;asciilifeform;and snarfs from him, until it doesn't
998324;1422599561;asciilifeform;then picks another.
998325;1422599568;ben_vulpes;myeah.
998326;1422599586;ben_vulpes;something tells me that block downloading and peer selection is an important thing to look at in the next few arbitrary time units.
998327;1422599625;ben_vulpes;that something being a certain animated unicode set
998328;1422599656;asciilifeform;block downloading is almost certainly fated to be 'embraced and extended' by a sane implementation
998329;1422599671;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform im just in favour of actually testing
998330;1422599671;asciilifeform;(negotiate torrent-like loader, if can do - do; if cannot - fallback to classic)
998331;1422599675;mircea_popescu;let it run, see what actualy happens
998332;1422599682;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: grinder is grinding.
998333;1422599693;ben_vulpes;asciilifeform: kinda what i'm thinking
998334;1422599705;ben_vulpes;anyways, i'm off for the eve.
998335;1422599709;ben_vulpes;my thanks for your valuable insights.
998336;1422599717;*;asciilifeform to bed
998337;1422599724;mircea_popescu;big fucken deal, if product ends up being "spend $12 and three hours of your time following these instructions. if you have prior chain, you have node right off. if not, you have node in a month"
998338;1422599770;asciilifeform;if converges >>> then just as mircea_popescu said.
998339;1422600282;mircea_popescu;<asciilifeform> did not like mathematics. << this guy is a cryptologist that didn't like coding or math.
998340;1422600285;mircea_popescu;very strange beast.
998341;1422600326;mircea_popescu;<ben_vulpes> something tells me that block downloading and peer selection is an important thing to look at in the next few arbitrary time units. << that something is athena riding a flaming shield.
998342;1422600371;thestringpuller;^- doesn't she do that already?
998343;1422600706;mircea_popescu;a) fredrik de boer is a choad ; b) the left can't "win". because it's stupid. a bunch of frogs in a lake can win just as much. wtf can the terminally retarded gonna "win" ?
998344;1422601467;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25126 @ 0.00041096 = 10.3258 BTC [+]
998345;1422602426;mats;http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2015/jan/29/hipster-churches-sillicon-valley-evangelical-new-home
998346;1422602427;assbot;Hipster churches in Silicon Valley: evangelicalism's unlikely new home | US news | The Guardian ... ( http://bit.ly/1JSe7xa )
998347;1422602687;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 57700 @ 0.00043445 = 25.0678 BTC [+] {2} 
998348;1422602992;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 4546 @ 0.00095999 = 4.3641 BTC [+] {4} 
998349;1422603053;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 2543 @ 0.00097554 = 2.4808 BTC [+] {6} 
998350;1422603602;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4200 @ 0.00043467 = 1.8256 BTC [+]
998351;1422604773;cazalla;well that was short lived.. "you have been banned from posting to /r/Buttcoin"
998352;1422604977;fluffypony;lol
998353;1422605263;punkman;but... how? http://arstechnica.com/apple/2015/01/itunes-connect-bug-logs-developers-into-other-developers-accounts-at-random/
998354;1422605264;assbot;iTunes Connect bug logs developers in to other developers’ accounts at random [Updated] | Ars Technica ... ( http://bit.ly/1CShGBz )
998355;1422605378;scoopbot;New post on Trilema by Mircea Popescu: http://trilema.com/2015/where-did-your-years-go/
998356;1422605671;punkman;https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B8hdv99IEAA1ZUs.png
998357;1422605672;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1CSiO8p )
998358;1422605859;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11900 @ 0.00043467 = 5.1726 BTC [+]
998359;1422605920;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35800 @ 0.00043498 = 15.5723 BTC [+]
998360;1422606713;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24574 @ 0.00041751 = 10.2599 BTC [-] {2} 
998361;1422607262;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17526 @ 0.00041709 = 7.3099 BTC [-]
998362;1422608360;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24764 @ 0.00043404 = 10.7486 BTC [+] {2} 
998363;1422608970;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 32200 @ 0.00044157 = 14.2186 BTC [+] {2} 
998364;1422611657;punkman;http://cnsnews.com/news/article/feds-treasure-hunter-eluded-police-cash-tradecraft
998365;1422611658;assbot;Feds: Treasure hunter eluded police with cash, tradecraft | CNS News ... ( http://bit.ly/1LpoE4F )
998366;1422611662;punkman;!up badon
998367;1422611673;badon;hi punkman
998368;1422611682;punkman;hola
998369;1422613621;jurov;<mircea_popescu> big fucken deal, if product ends up being "spend $12 and ...". you know this does not match expectations of general public
998370;1422613652;jurov;for $12 they expect something that just works and it isn't worth waiting a month for to be done
998371;1422613683;jurov;if you want them to wait through all the oom plodding, make them pay $300
998372;1422613822;jurov;also, for all the aspies having such "bad engineering" just feels unacceptable at any price
998373;1422616046;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35850 @ 0.00041996 = 15.0556 BTC [-]
998374;1422618425;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 56900 @ 0.00041752 = 23.7569 BTC [-] {2} 
998375;1422619859;danielpbarron;ben_vulpes> ..i require details of this assasination << i paid someone $5 to put on on the list, everyone on the list gets assigned a target, the object is to squirt your victim with a water-gun without any witnesses, you get $5 back per kill
998376;1422619977;danielpbarron;it took me the whole week just to figure out who my victim was, and i spent most of saturday stalking him at his campsite, finally got right as he was stepping out of his camper, his daughter heard it happen but nobody saw me
998377;1422620072;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 32673 @ 0.00042209 = 13.7909 BTC [+]
998378;1422620237;punkman;http://unmonastery-wiki.mirelsol.org/doku.php?id=book_of_mistakes:working_texts:mist_200_year_plan
998379;1422620238;assbot;book_of_mistakes:working_texts:mist_200_year_plan [unMonastery wiki] ... ( http://bit.ly/1ETzpId )
998380;1422621610;jurov;punkman wtf?
998381;1422621751;jurov;and i got this scam email:
998382;1422621760;jurov;The King of Thailand has been dead since about the end of 2008. The current King of Thailand is a fake one. The Government of Thailand does not dare to announce his death because it will put Thailand in great trouble. The King of Thailand was keen on photography and he has been seen using his outdated Canon G9 camera even as late as 2012. In addition, his double forgot to remove his watch and appeared to be wearing two watches in the public. Thes
998383;1422621762;jurov;big mistakes.
998384;1422621783;jurov;Mr. Dimitri Khalezov is an important researcher and witness to the 9/11 event. In fact, he was a nuclear intelligence officer in the former Soviet Union. He testifies that WTC 1, 2 and 7 were demolished by three underground thermonuclear devices during the 9/11 event. As a matter of fact, there were large cavities found at ground zero (point of nuclear explosion in all English dictionaries printed prior to 2002) and tens of thousands of first
998385;1422621784;jurov;responders and local Manhattan residents have suffered from cancers as a result of exposure to this radiation.
998386;1422621803;jurov;sprinkled with clickbaits
998387;1422622002;jurov;;;seen Chaang-Noi
998388;1422622003;gribble;Chaang-Noi was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 50 weeks, 4 days, 6 hours, 47 minutes, and 13 seconds ago: <Chaang-Noi> might have to sue em
998389;1422622009;jurov;;;seen goat
998390;1422622009;gribble;I have not seen goat.
998391;1422622146;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13300 @ 0.00041729 = 5.55 BTC [-]
998392;1422622439;punkman;jurov, dunno some kind of commune-hackerspace in italy
998393;1422622689;punkman;http://unmonastery.org/
998394;1422622690;assbot;unMonastery ... ( http://bit.ly/1ye0Yar )
998395;1422625116;chetty;I am curious, Do female suicide bomber have to be escorted by a male relative?
998396;1422626050;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 40950 @ 0.00042352 = 17.3431 BTC [+] {2} 
998397;1422626597;davout;"Error(473): #bitcoin-lizards Cannot join channel (+i) - you must be invited" <<< lol wtf
998398;1422628386;nubbins`;hi
998399;1422628426;nubbins`;kakobrekla is it possible for assbot's OTP urls to be predictable (i.e. http://w.b-a.link/otp/MY-FINGERPRINT)?
998400;1422628427;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1Cjjgh5 )
998401;1422628439;nubbins`;dat inability to create simple bash script, etc
998402;1422628478;nubbins`;cazalla tell us more about your web of hate
998403;1422628490;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9411 @ 0.00042629 = 4.0118 BTC [+]
998404;1422628501;nubbins`;is there anyone here who hasn't made the local news for threatening people? o.O
998405;1422628548;danielpbarron;http://w.b-a.link/otps/nubbins%60/last
998406;1422628641;danielpbarron;coindesk's redditnote piece is exactly the same number of words as mine if you strip out the quotes and the last line about his former job (which i probably should have included in mine); but theirs has less characters than mine
998407;1422628922;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 3176 @ 0.0009207 = 2.9241 BTC [-] {8} 
998408;1422629253;kakobrekla;nubbins` what danielpbarron said
998409;1422629274;davout;^neat-o
998410;1422630233;davout;yhwh_: your IP showed on join
998411;1422631034;fluffypony;hah hah
998412;1422631036;fluffypony;http://www.reddit.com/r/funny/comments/2u6k9u/im_a_dominatrix_and_i_was_supposed_to_be_whipping/
998413;1422631038;assbot;I'm a dominatrix and I was supposed to be whipping a blonde client...but instead I whipped a brunette... : funny ... ( http://bit.ly/1CTsxve )
998414;1422631180;mircea_popescu;lol
998415;1422631421;mircea_popescu;!up JodaZ
998416;1422631444;davout;JodaZ: o hey
998417;1422631453;JodaZ;can i advertise for sale here once?
998418;1422631469;mircea_popescu;you can do anything once.
998419;1422631479;JodaZ;:)
998420;1422631482;davout;JodaZ: -> #bitcoin-otc
998421;1422631496;mircea_popescu;but yeah, nobody cares, just don't repeat yourself.
998422;1422631549;mircea_popescu;cazalla: well that was short lived.. "you have been banned from posting to /r/Buttcoin" << what sort of low quality shilling have you been engaging in!
998423;1422631591;mircea_popescu;jurov: if you want them to wait through all the oom plodding, make them pay $300 << in the immortal words of baal (quite literally) : we shall take your position into consideration.
998424;1422631624;mircea_popescu;(the immortal words in question : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3oW_rEi8X4Y )
998425;1422631626;assbot;Diablo 2★The Search for Baal Cinematic★[Original]Official Diablo II[D2 Cut Scene] Trailer - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/15PhBll )
998426;1422631898;mircea_popescu;chetty: I am curious, Do female suicide bomber have to be escorted by a male relative? << lmao good one.
998427;1422631963;danielpbarron;you play d2?
998428;1422631994;mircea_popescu;sure.
998429;1422631999;mircea_popescu;had a kickass soceress
998430;1422632013;mircea_popescu;before they came up with bs teleporting gear for paladins and whatnot
998431;1422632055;mircea_popescu;nubbins`: dat inability to create simple bash script, etc << dat unreading of teh logs. http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=17-01-2015#980456
998432;1422632055;assbot;Logged on 17-01-2015 16:26:57; kakobrekla: ;;later tell ben_vulpes as requested, json; http://w.b-a.link/user/ben_vulpes/json and http://w.b-a.link/trust/ben_vulpes/kakobrekla/json
998433;1422632061;danielpbarron;i had a kickass MF barbarian
998434;1422632072;mircea_popescu;sorcs could really only be frost
998435;1422632077;mircea_popescu;sadly. i liked teh hydra in d1 a lot.
998436;1422632081;nubbins`;how could i have missed it
998437;1422632099;mircea_popescu;nubbins` because the log is so incredibly fucking densely packed.
998438;1422632113;nubbins`;no kidding, hey?
998439;1422632120;nubbins`;oh, hbd to me
998440;1422632126;nubbins`;this is my jesus year
998441;1422632132;danielpbarron;i liked the necromancer but he wasn't very powerful
998442;1422632154;mircea_popescu;"When Tommy Thompson and his longtime companion did leave the Florida hotel room, usually alone and her more than him, they would use a combination of buses, taxis and walking around to shake anyone who might be tailing them."
998443;1422632159;mircea_popescu;for the record that guy was decent.
998444;1422632161;nubbins`;kakobrekla +1 top kak
998445;1422632178;mircea_popescu;danielpbarron yeah i liked him too, but yeah, not useful in pvp
998446;1422632250;davout;i kinda ragequit d2 after my hardcore javazon died...
998447;1422632260;danielpbarron;LOL
998448;1422632274;davout;my alt+f4 wasn't swift enough
998449;1422632290;danielpbarron;i quit when a friend of mine got all my expensive MF gear trade hacked while using my account
998450;1422632317;mircea_popescu;davout bitch to play, the javazon
998451;1422632339;davout;such lag in cow-level
998452;1422632355;davout;diablo 1 was best diablo
998453;1422632359;mircea_popescu;danielpbarron in retrospect, the "expensive" gear of the d2 era was a good joke. 1k would have decked you and alts.
998454;1422632362;mircea_popescu;these days... heh.
998455;1422632400;mircea_popescu;nubbins`: is there anyone here who hasn't made the local news for threatening people? o.O << me, for one.
998456;1422632407;danielpbarron;expensive in SOJ terms, not dollar terms; i didn't have credit cards back then
998457;1422632425;nubbins`;well, you know how to threaten people the right way, obv
998458;1422632449;mircea_popescu;danielpbarron oh lol teh stone of jordan
998459;1422632461;mircea_popescu;fucking idiot blizzard can't make an economy.
998460;1422632952;adlai;does assbot ever pick up ratings left with gribble after the wotfork?
998461;1422632990;PeterL;I think you have to add ratings to both wots now
998462;1422633021;mircea_popescu;adlai ideally a way to crossover is being developed, but practically i've not heard anything from nanotube for a week or so.
998463;1422633078;adlai;shouldn't it be as simple as, every rating has to contain a signature of the rating data, and then gribble and assbot can just spider eachother all day long?
998464;1422633095;adlai;and any other wots that spring up
998465;1422633106;adlai;wot-bots. the web itself would grow larger than any individual bot.
998466;1422633132;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15850 @ 0.00042214 = 6.6909 BTC [-]
998467;1422633148;mircea_popescu;ideally.
998468;1422633150;davout;http://lyle.smu.edu/~tylerm/fc15.pdf
998469;1422633152;assbot;404 Error: Lyle Page Not Found ... ( http://bit.ly/15Pm8Em )
998470;1422633171;davout;« There’s No Free Lunch, Even Using Bitcoin: Tracking the Popularity and Profits of Virtual Currency Scams »
998471;1422633193;mircea_popescu;meh pdf. who's the author ?
998472;1422633210;davout;"We manually inspected all services on the list to identify only those operations established with fraudulent intent. For instance, we exclude Hashfast, a mining company that recently filed for Chapter 11 bankruptcy protection, as well as losses from Mt. Gox, a bitcoin exchange that failed."
998473;1422633236;davout;i stahped there
998474;1422633243;adlai;http://view.samurajdata.se/psview.php?id=3f1cb5e9&page=1
998475;1422633243;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/15PmqLt )
998476;1422633268;adlai;(pdf processed server-side, cloud magic)
998477;1422633307;PeterL;davout: they think they can differentiate between fraudulent intent and incompetence?
998478;1422633318;davout;looks like it
998479;1422633366;adlai;this viewer thingy is cool, you can link straight to the tl;dr: http://view.samurajdata.se/psview.php?id=3f1cb5e9&page=15
998480;1422633367;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1CjtIFf )
998481;1422633783;mircea_popescu;PeterL derps that know about bitcoin about exactly the way they know what's best for africa.
998482;1422633791;mircea_popescu;never left chelmsford.
998483;1422633863;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13000 @ 0.00042647 = 5.5441 BTC [+] {3} 
998484;1422633924;jurov;mircea_popescu: jurov: ...... immortal words of baal (quite literally) : we shall take your position into consideration. << seems death threats are en vogue recently
998485;1422633971;mircea_popescu;lol didn't mean it like that
998486;1422633977;mircea_popescu;twas suppost to be funny.
998487;1422633989;fluffypony;BITCOIN WILL SAVE AFRICA!
998488;1422634026;fluffypony;who needs water or clothing or food when you're a starving African child that has BITCOIN!
998489;1422634041;jurov;mircea i know :) just had a double take on the (quite literally) part
998490;1422634075;mircea_popescu;well baal is immortal.
998491;1422634113;mircea_popescu;so i had a pile of sour cherries for breakfast
998492;1422634122;mircea_popescu;and now it looks like i'm going to have a chocolate cake snack.,
998493;1422634129;PeterL;literally or figuratively?
998494;1422634134;mircea_popescu;if i die let it be known i blame the government
998495;1422634136;mircea_popescu;literally.
998496;1422634143;mircea_popescu;!up jborkl
998497;1422634147;jborkl;Been stuck up the airport runway for over an hour :(
998498;1422634160;jborkl;The peeps are restless!!
998499;1422634203;mircea_popescu;stand up and announce "This has now been converted into a nudist flight. Everyone please remove all items of clothings. Thank you."
998500;1422634246;ben_vulpes;i'm making a bacon and caramelized onion omlette
998501;1422634261;pete_dushenski;jborkl: westerners are always restless
998502;1422634276;mircea_popescu;!up jborkl
998503;1422634284;jborkl;No word, just stuck
998504;1422634289;pete_dushenski;which is why they love smartphones that advertise "turn downtime into uptime"
998505;1422634302;davout;for before take-off enjoyment: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZK5n5bQW8FE
998506;1422634303;assbot;le cochon et le canard - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/15Pq343 )
998507;1422634308;pete_dushenski;when they just use them to flip through buzzfeed or some such
998508;1422634329;jborkl;Austin to Denver on united
998509;1422634358;PeterL;spend more time doing useless shit and you won't have to think about how worthless you are
998510;1422634376;jborkl;Maybe they found out I have bitcoin on me
998511;1422634382;jborkl;Lol
998512;1422634385;pete_dushenski;davout: lmao
998513;1422634393;mircea_popescu;davout the note on that video suggests romanian origin.
998514;1422634399;mircea_popescu;and they seem to me to be romanian francophones
998515;1422634407;PeterL;how does one have bitcoin on them?
998516;1422634414;jborkl;Joke joke
998517;1422634416;pete_dushenski;jborkl: impossibru to have the clouds on you ;/
998518;1422634434;PeterL;you have a private key tatoo?
998519;1422634472;mircea_popescu;so the man has a little bullet. stop hussling him!
998520;1422634586;jborkl;What , hehe I missed something ?
998521;1422634592;pete_dushenski;PeterL: sorta making the efforts of using a smartphone to always be connected quite counter-productive to the intended objective
998522;1422634655;PeterL;whose intended objective?
998523;1422634655;pete_dushenski;mircea_popescu: seems like yesterday turned into national "let's translate romanian poker articles into engrish" day
998524;1422634662;pete_dushenski;quelle fun :D
998525;1422634668;mircea_popescu;lol
998526;1422634676;mircea_popescu;hard huh.
998527;1422634684;pete_dushenski;lol not easy
998528;1422634707;pete_dushenski;but perfectly enjoyable
998529;1422634730;pete_dushenski;the ol' noodle enjoyed the challenge
998530;1422634846;asciilifeform;185063.
998531;1422634898;mircea_popescu;!s from:asciilifeform
998532;1422634899;assbot;43267 results for 'from:asciilifeform' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=from%3Aasciilifeform
998533;1422634913;jborkl;Something broke, they want to override it and see how that works out
998534;1422634943;jborkl;So, see ya laters!!
998535;1422634946;mircea_popescu;30-01-2015 06:30:13  <asciilifeform>   (present height - 183172) so it made < 2k in the past 10 hours ?
998536;1422634955;asciilifeform;aha
998537;1422634975;PeterL;was it running that whole time?
998538;1422634987;asciilifeform;PeterL: in the sense of being switched on - yes
998539;1422634991;asciilifeform;!s oomkill
998540;1422634992;assbot;17 results for 'oomkill' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=oomkill
998541;1422634992;mircea_popescu;2k > 100.
998542;1422635012;danielpbarron;lol
998543;1422635021;asciilifeform;it's connected to the wild net (as opposed to existing node, which would be a more deterministic, if less realistic, test)
998544;1422635027;asciilifeform;so very much luck of the draw.
998545;1422635036;mircea_popescu;quite.
998546;1422635042;mircea_popescu;(something the oomkills help, not hinder)
998547;1422635057;mircea_popescu;ie, get connected to9 shitty node, die faster. it's quite evolutionary.
998548;1422635081;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: if this worked at all well, it'd be synched by now.
998549;1422635117;mircea_popescu;somehow i suspect that if you had to design say a heron, it'd look a lot less like nature's variant and a lot more like an aircraft carrier
998550;1422635146;TomServo;lol
998551;1422635146;asciilifeform;herons don't crash.
998552;1422635157;mircea_popescu;herons crash all the fucking time.
998553;1422635557;davout;heron airprox
998554;1422635605;davout;"heron, go away, this is a class A airspace"
998555;1422635947;mircea_popescu;!up nokia
998556;1422636070;pete_dushenski;nokia... i just bought my first one in 15 years this week
998557;1422636079;pete_dushenski;waiting for the nanosim adapter to arrive
998558;1422636094;pete_dushenski;then experiment unsmartphone commences!
998559;1422636117;kakobrekla;which one
998560;1422636162;pete_dushenski;blu tank ii they call it
998561;1422636200;pete_dushenski;http://www.amazon.ca/gp/product/B00O5EUBSI?psc=1&redirect=true&ref_=oh_aui_detailpage_o00_s00
998562;1422636202;assbot;BLU Tank II T193 Unlocked GSM Dual-SIM Cell Phone with Camera and 1900 mAh Big Battery-Retail Packaging-Black Blue: Amazon.ca: Cell Phones & Accessories ... ( http://bit.ly/1A74oRT )
998563;1422636203;nokia;nokias are tanks
998564;1422636241;pete_dushenski;nokia: in another time, yes. not sure about the new touchy ones
998565;1422636246;kakobrekla;dunno, last nail hammering nokia i had was 3210
998566;1422636255;kakobrekla;imo build quality only went down from there
998567;1422636272;pete_dushenski;sorta like old mercs were panzers, the new ones are ospreys
998568;1422636341;mircea_popescu;i kinda agree, they don't make the bricks like they used to in the 90s
998569;1422636407;mats;11:41:34 <+pete_dushenski> then experiment unsmartphone commences! << me too. bought a motorola C115 so i can play with osmocomBB
998570;1422636417;pete_dushenski;kakobrekla: i think the 3310 was my first phone
998571;1422636417;ben_vulpes;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Motorola_StarTAC << one of my favorite phones ever
998572;1422636419;assbot;Motorola StarTAC - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ... ( http://bit.ly/1A75kpC )
998573;1422636419;nokia;anyone do the *3001#12345 trick with the nokias?
998574;1422636428;pete_dushenski;ben_vulpes: yes!
998575;1422636452;kakobrekla;heres my first phone i got as a kid, also indestructible ; http://itm.siol.net/_m/media/Sagem/39/RC_815_large_363.jpg
998576;1422636453;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1A75uNM )
998577;1422636463;mats;http://bb.osmocom.org/trac << foss baseband firmware
998578;1422636464;assbot;      OsmocomBB     ... ( http://bit.ly/1A75tt3 )
998579;1422636473;pete_dushenski;kakobrekla: colourful :D
998580;1422636478;kakobrekla;mhm :D
998581;1422636516;pete_dushenski;well i intend to test nokia's latest to see how it stacks up against my rose-tinted memories
998582;1422636588;kakobrekla;the thing with the phone was, when you were sending sms you had to type in the destination phone number from your head, no way to use saved entries.
998583;1422636600;kakobrekla;good for memory!
998584;1422636665;pete_dushenski;if only we could teach 0.5.3 to be so good with memory
998585;1422636783;davout;lol
998586;1422636982;pete_dushenski;!b 4
998587;1422636982;assbot;Last 4 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/0JPAJQQ.txt )
998588;1422638344;asciilifeform;http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2015-January/000038.html
998589;1422638345;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1yUtLEL )
998590;1422638401;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu, ben_vulpes ^ turd from last night's thread
998591;1422638416;asciilifeform;placed on www for the record.
998592;1422638698;mircea_popescu;"Keeping in mind that actual stalking has never been dealt with in any significant way ever, the desire of a few female writers to curb online anonymity wouldn't be enough to get an @ mention, except that this happens to coincide with what the media wants, and now we have the two vectors summing to form a public health crisis. "Cyberbullying is a huge problem!" Yes, but not because it is hurtful, HA! no one cares about
998593;1422638698;mircea_popescu; your feelings-- but because criticism makes women want to be more private-- and the privacy of the women is bad. The women have to be online, they do most of the clicking and receive most of the clicks. Anonymous cyberbullying is a barrier to increasing consumption, it's gotta go."
998594;1422638721;mircea_popescu;in retrospect this is the best discussion of this ever-returning zombie of "cyberbullying" i ever read.
998595;1422638808;BingoBoingo;!b 3
998596;1422638809;assbot;Last 3 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/0SCDC38.txt )
998597;1422638871;mircea_popescu;"If Hess has made you wonder, hmm, maybe unrestricted anonymity is bad because it gives trolls too much power, then the system has successfully used her for its true purpose: brand it as bad, to you. She is unwittingly teaching the demo of this article, e.g. women in their 20s with no actual power looking to establish themselves, who are the very people who should embrace anonymity, not to want this: only rapists and t
998598;1422638871;mircea_popescu;oo-weak-to-try rapists want to be anonymous. Smart women write clickable articles about their sexuality for nothing, because what good are you if you can't make someone else money? Interesting to observe that the article's single suggested solution to cyberharassment is to reframe a criminal problem into a civil rights issue using a logic so preposterously adolescent that if you laid this on your Dad when you were 16 h
998599;1422638872;mircea_popescu;e'd backhand slap you right out of the glee club: "it discourages women from writing and earning a living online." Earning a living? From who, Gawker? Most of the women writing on the internet are writing for someone else who pays them next to nothing. None of them control the capital, none of them get paid 1/1000 of what they bring in for the media company. You know what they do get? They get to be valued by work, and
998600;1422638877;mircea_popescu; in gratitude they are going to the front lines to fight for the media company's right to pay them less."
998601;1422638890;mircea_popescu;this is quite exactly it, and it's not limited to poorly educated, insufficiently fucked, infantilized 20something wymyn.
998602;1422638925;mircea_popescu;the mirror-image infantilized 20something bois are idem fighting for paul graham's right to pay them nothing while turning them into a strange sort of pulp fiction's gimp
998603;1422638995;mircea_popescu;the funniest thing in all of this isn't exactly the horde of children who don't understand how the fuck they were tricked exactly. the funniest thing is the plethora of articles about how "apple could buy russia"
998604;1422639010;mircea_popescu;it's going to get even funnier once they actually try.
998605;1422639015;asciilifeform;why not 'buy' whole planet. what, not enough ink in printer ?
998606;1422639043;mircea_popescu;no but you know, the fumes of confused teenagers are going to somehow coallesce into moving as much as a hair of actual matter. ANY DAY NOW
998607;1422639074;mircea_popescu;i could be sitting in a parisian cafe cca 1815 and lol the same way for the same reasons at the same people
998608;1422639077;mircea_popescu;this, they call progress.
998609;1422639293;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 49050 @ 0.00041326 = 20.2704 BTC [-] {3} 
998610;1422639853;asciilifeform;fumes of confused teenagers are going to somehow coallesce into moving << 'dog barks, caravan moves'
998611;1422641198;BingoBoingo;;;bc,stats
998612;1422641204;gribble;Current Blocks: 341191 | Current Difficulty: 4.127287389469702E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 342719 | Next Difficulty In: 1528 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 3 days, 16 hours, 26 minutes, and 51 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 45460765013.5 | Estimated Percent Change: 10.14684
998613;1422641341;ben_vulpes;asciilifeform: thank you sir
998614;1422641428;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 49615 @ 0.00041894 = 20.7857 BTC [+]
998615;1422641462;ben_vulpes;i can't believe that people want to fuck around with sidechains and altcoins when there's interesting work to be done in improving how the satoshi codebase handles block downloads
998616;1422641494;ben_vulpes;this "orphans" routine though, i must say i love it.
998617;1422641507;ben_vulpes;'tis another dagger in my belt.
998618;1422641565;adlai;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-01-2015#997393 << dat %
998619;1422641565;assbot;Logged on 29-01-2015 19:26:09; gribble: Current Blocks: 341060 | Current Difficulty: 4.127287389469702E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 342719 | Next Difficulty In: 1659 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 2 days, 14 hours, 9 minutes, and 1 second | Next Difficulty Estimate: 47714824514.9 | Estimated Percent Change: 15.60819
998620;1422641704;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: that was cribbed almost wholesale from evil bitcoind
998621;1422642068;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes the problem is that people are insulated from reality (least it hurts their feelings) and so they are also insulated from everythning interesting, and in the end their own life.
998622;1422642076;mats;hard work is hard. totes believable.
998623;1422642090;mircea_popescu;right.
998624;1422642147;mircea_popescu;people interested in actually doing stuff have b-a. everyone else can be "a contributor" (for bois), or "part of the community" (for womyns)
998625;1422642177;mats;why do any work when you can generate an altcoin from a bootstrap website and watch netflix
998626;1422642212;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-02-2014#509005
998627;1422642212;assbot;Logged on 16-02-2014 22:03:29; asciilifeform: obligatory russian drowning joke
998628;1422642252;mircea_popescu;essentially, because it's fun.
998629;1422642281;mircea_popescu;"why does the horse run, while the worm can but crawl ? because the horse enjoys to run."
998630;1422642605;asciilifeform;i can't believe that people want to fuck around with sidechains and altcoins when there's interesting work to be done in improving how the satoshi codebase <<< not only sloth, but avarice, is involved. nobody gets rich from honestly fixing satoshi's bugs
998631;1422642637;asciilifeform;sc4mz0r1ng? promises riches, at least to the foolish
998632;1422642699;ben_vulpes;bah wealth
998633;1422642709;ben_vulpes;la vie, c'est le travaille
998634;1422642726;asciilifeform;arbeit macht frei.
998635;1422642732;ben_vulpes;i'll settle for stakes and sucking holes in everyones chest.
998636;1422642742;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform that's beyond short sighted.
998637;1422642759;mircea_popescu;nobody gets rich from being o'reilly's or Sara Miller McCune's hand puppet.
998638;1422642772;mircea_popescu;people DO get rich, in the manner of their choice, out of accumulating this sort of capital.
998639;1422642784;mircea_popescu;linus is rich, in that ~he can do what he pleases~. your definition of rich.
998640;1422642792;mircea_popescu;so is taleb. so is everyone that DIDN'T join the system.
998641;1422642795;asciilifeform;except that no one does honest scientific collaboration 'to get rich' specifically.
998642;1422642811;mircea_popescu;the only poor people are the "rich people" making 500k to 5mn a year to pay for their mortgage and college loans.
998643;1422642822;asciilifeform;them's chumpers.
998644;1422642839;mircea_popescu;a sudanese, poor as the dirt hre sits in, still has a chance.
998645;1422642853;mircea_popescu;antonoderpopo no longer has a chance, because he's dead, because a rich guy killed him.
998646;1422642856;mircea_popescu;and death is forever.
998647;1422642876;asciilifeform;zombie may even envy the dead.
998648;1422642892;mircea_popescu;zombie generally does.
998649;1422642905;mircea_popescu;which explains why suicide is such a big deal in zombieland.
998650;1422642986;PeterL;so, I'm reading through the bitcoind code as published by the Foundation,
998651;1422643003;PeterL;/ Some explaining would be appreciated << this comment sounds like something asciilifeform would put in?
998652;1422643012;asciilifeform;where's this
998653;1422643027;PeterL;by the COrphan class
998654;1422643060;mod6;that's an original v0.5.3 comment
998655;1422643163;mod6;https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/blob/v0.5.3/src/main.cpp#L2788
998656;1422643165;assbot;bitcoin/main.cpp at v0.5.3 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1CjNmB2 )
998657;1422643175;asciilifeform;PeterL: also these are not the same orphans!
998658;1422643194;PeterL;which orphans are these? how many kinds of orphans are there?
998659;1422643196;mircea_popescu;seriously let's start calling them parentless blocks / pblocks
998660;1422643202;mircea_popescu;this confusion is counterproductive.
998661;1422643212;asciilifeform;see last night's thread: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=30-01-2015#998265
998662;1422643212;assbot;Logged on 30-01-2015 06:09:29; asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: the 'orphan blocks' in question have nothing whatsoever to do with the usual definition
998663;1422643217;mircea_popescu;PeterL orphans are short lengths ofchain that were abandoined in favour of a competitor.
998664;1422643235;mircea_popescu;parentless blocks are blocks which arrived to a node before their parents, and so can't be evaluated for validity (yet)
998665;1422643246;asciilifeform;my understanding is that the demented name confusion came about because originally these were handled using the same routines.
998666;1422643253;mircea_popescu;yes.
998667;1422643265;mircea_popescu;because system engineering is a topping for pizza.
998668;1422643281;asciilifeform;street pizza.
998669;1422643291;PeterL;10000 btc pizza?
998670;1422643309;asciilifeform;http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=street+pizza&defid=6660692
998671;1422643310;assbot;Urban Dictionary: street pizza ... ( http://bit.ly/1CjNEI3 )
998672;1422643350;ben_vulpes;mk a contention:
998673;1422643378;ben_vulpes;"reference node should only keep track of a single chain: the longest discoverable"
998674;1422643379;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 3235 @ 0.00096678 = 3.1275 BTC [+] {10} 
998675;1422643388;mircea_popescu;how ?
998676;1422643402;ben_vulpes;that, i do not know.
998677;1422643402;asciilifeform;the whole process for learning which the 'longest discoverable' is
998678;1422643419;asciilifeform;requires keeping track of a certain quantity of non-longest.
998679;1422643423;ben_vulpes;but in keeping around orphan chains, the enemy can pollute ones disk trivially.
998680;1422643427;mircea_popescu;lol how about "bitcoin should just work" then
998681;1422643432;asciilifeform;but again, these are the -other- orphans.
998682;1422643457;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes yes. which is why the only sane way for bitcoi nnodes to work is gossipd
998683;1422643460;mircea_popescu;but that is a point for later.
998684;1422643467;mod6;pblock is probably not a good name, since in most of the code "pblock" is what is denoted for a pointer to a block.
998685;1422643479;mircea_popescu;ah eys right mod6
998686;1422643482;ben_vulpes;bastardblocks
998687;1422643489;mircea_popescu;?blocks
998688;1422643495;mircea_popescu;that's obvious and intuitive enough ?
998689;1422643517;mod6;they really are "orphans", since an orphan is someone with out parents right? so im fine with calling them orphans, i think there is confusion around how these come into existance.
998690;1422643535;mircea_popescu;except they're not orphan, they're just "not in the presence of their parents"
998691;1422643537;mats;http://lcamtuf.blogspot.com/2015/01/technical-analysis-of-qualys-ghost.html << i'm slow on the draw, but this was a good read.
998692;1422643539;assbot;lcamtuf's blog: Technical analysis of Qualys' GHOST ... ( http://bit.ly/163qQxZ )
998693;1422643550;mod6;mircea_popescu: fair point there.
998694;1422643571;mod6;maybe "disconnected blocks" or something
998695;1422643578;mircea_popescu;works
998696;1422643580;kakobrekla;lost i say.
998697;1422643587;ben_vulpes;hah lols
998698;1422643589;ben_vulpes;lost
998699;1422643593;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: that is a point for later << that's a point from last night
998700;1422643602;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=30-01-2015#998303
998701;1422643602;assbot;Logged on 30-01-2015 06:22:59; asciilifeform: mr s. did not know 'gossip protocol'.
998702;1422643613;mod6;kakobrekla: i like that.
998703;1422643621;pete_dushenski;plus ca change: http://www.contravex.com/2015/01/30/sthennow/
998704;1422643622;assbot;s/then/now. | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski ... ( http://bit.ly/163rcVf )
998705;1422643654;pete_dushenski;^that cyberbullying convo was well timed
998706;1422643661;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform well really it was a point from ever since gossipd was discussed, but w/e, not mature yet.
998707;1422643736;asciilifeform;185554.
998708;1422643856;pete_dushenski;later gang!
998709;1422643867;mircea_popescu;500 in 2 hours ?
998710;1422643936;asciilifeform;aha
998711;1422643978;mircea_popescu;so at the present rate, done by conference time :D
998712;1422643987;asciilifeform;not linear.
998713;1422644090;mircea_popescu;well technically it's improved, over the 200/hour earlier :p
998714;1422644169;ben_vulpes;https://github.com/diafygi/webrtc-ips  << well here's some strange
998715;1422644170;assbot;diafygi/webrtc-ips · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1CjOXGW )
998716;1422644181;ben_vulpes;https://diafygi.github.io/webrtc-ips/ << and the demo (warning: hostile)
998717;1422644182;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1CjP19y )
998718;1422644281;jurov;i propose "mislaid blocks" :DDD
998719;1422644299;mircea_popescu;teh slutblox
998720;1422644616;BingoBoingo;<mircea_popescu> except they're not orphan, they're just "not in the presence of their parents" << Latchkey Blocks
998721;1422644655;ben_vulpes;;;later tell pete_dushenski i'll be lucky to get my butt in a miata this decade
998722;1422644655;gribble;The operation succeeded.
998723;1422644721;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: webrtc-ips << lol!!
998724;1422644764;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: wanna be hero? post some packet filter rules for this crap
998725;1422644772;jurov;forlorn, delinquent, remiss, slack, behindhand, belated ...literary english has plenty of words. just dorks know none
998726;1422644779;asciilifeform;no reason not to chop it off at the wall.
998727;1422644782;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13440 @ 0.00042741 = 5.7444 BTC [+] {2} 
998728;1422644793;jurov;whole IT is master, slave, orphan, vorgin, etc.
998729;1422644797;jurov;*virgin
998730;1422644807;ben_vulpes;obsessions of the unsexed
998731;1422644812;mircea_popescu;jurov word.
998732;1422644831;mircea_popescu;beloated blocks is not bad.
998733;1422644841;davout;lol jurov
998734;1422644842;mircea_popescu;sorta like belation causing bloat thing
998735;1422644862;asciilifeform;bloatsam.
998736;1422644869;asciilifeform;(as in floatsam)
998737;1422644882;asciilifeform;or was it flotsam
998738;1422644943;ben_vulpes;the latter
998739;1422644948;ben_vulpes;blocksam
998740;1422645023;mircea_popescu;brock pierce ?
998741;1422645066;ben_vulpes;any time anyone brings up brock i think of pokemon.
998742;1422645083;asciilifeform;when someone brings up 'pierce' can't help but think of pederasts
998743;1422645089;asciilifeform;or rather, russian prison buggery
998744;1422645109;asciilifeform;which, according to scholars, divides those who have been 'lowered into pederasty' into the 'pierced' and 'unpierced' species
998745;1422645120;ben_vulpes;'pierce' << i think fondly of that time in my life when i had several holes in my face
998746;1422645138;asciilifeform;the former, those who have been ceremonially buggered in the usual sense, the latter - those who have not (or not yet), but have been assigned the caste
998747;1422645515;asciilifeform;'getdata... ...can be used to retrieve transactions, but only if they are in the memory pool or relay set - arbitrary access to transactions in the chain is not allowed to avoid having clients start to depend on nodes having full transaction indexes (which modern nodes do not).'
998748;1422645522;asciilifeform;(from the bitcoin.it www)
998749;1422645550;*;asciilifeform wonders if anyone else considers this to be lame
998750;1422645604;ben_vulpes;i.
998751;1422645614;ben_vulpes;have in fact complained about this in the past.
998752;1422645617;ben_vulpes;!s getdata
998753;1422645618;assbot;3 results for 'getdata' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=getdata
998754;1422645791;BingoBoingo;Making money in college Illigu
998755;1422645794;BingoBoingo;http://dailyegyptian.com/western-courier-editor-suspension-adds-to-list-of-student-censorship/
998756;1422645794;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1Dfk9Ur )
998757;1422645829;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform can be safely snipped.
998758;1422645831;jurov;http://btc.yt/lxr/satoshi/search?_filestring=&_string=getdata
998759;1422645831;assbot;Satoshi 0.5.3.chicken general search: getdata ... ( http://bit.ly/1Dfker9 )
998760;1422645859;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: what can be
998761;1422645870;mircea_popescu;it will cause trouble at some point down the road, because eventually the blockchain will overwhelm the index.
998762;1422645887;mircea_popescu;however, it can be implemented as rolling window, which is how in point of fact "relay set" works
998763;1422645923;*;asciilifeform was thinking the opposite - civilized nodes could provide arbitrary tx access
998764;1422645938;ben_vulpes;hear hear
998765;1422645951;ben_vulpes;not really the remit of the RI tho.
998766;1422645987;ben_vulpes;RI, by my understanding: downloads and verifies blockchain; regurgitates blocks on demand; relays transactions.
998767;1422646039;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform not indefinitely.
998768;1422646258;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: so long as overhead is O(n) or below, why not
998769;1422646301;mircea_popescu;i dun think it is.
998770;1422646307;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 1450 @ 0.00096878 = 1.4047 BTC [+] {3} 
998771;1422646311;asciilifeform;0.5.3 - certainly not
998772;1422646316;mircea_popescu;right.
998773;1422646329;asciilifeform;mathematically - quite achievable
998774;1422646353;mod6;!rate TomServo 1 Helped me test a script for The Bitcoin Foundation
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998778;1422646507;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: undergrads who 'rock the boat' end up 'having problems', one way or another. see also the folks who posted diffs b/w one semester's textbook and next's
998779;1422646583;asciilifeform;(for non-usa folks: the 'college racket' does not consist merely of tuition and housing that go up ~10%/yr., but also miscellaneous vampirisms like textbooks that stay almost exactly the same but for the exercise set orderings, at 100-400 usd a pop, moving target every semester)
998780;1422646617;ben_vulpes;i didn't even see the reorderings, asciilifeform
998781;1422646646;mircea_popescu;you know the one time a smarmy teacher tried to be all american and make the class buy a book we complained to the provost and he nearly got kicked out.
998782;1422646658;mircea_popescu;apparently growing up in the civilised world has its advantages
998783;1422646672;mircea_popescu;(it didn't last tho, meanwhile romania joined nato and every college prof is hawking his own dumbass books)
998784;1422646917;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 56900 @ 0.00042156 = 23.9868 BTC [-] {2} 
998785;1422646928;ben_vulpes;<asciilifeform> BingoBoingo: undergrads who 'rock the boat' end up 'having problems', one way or another. see also the folks who posted diffs b/w one semester's textbook and next's << can't say as that was my experience. i rocked the boat constantly and still managed to eke some funding out of the university for harebrained rocket schemes
998786;1422647164;coderwill;ben_vulpes: hello, apologies, i have been busy for a few days, but noticed your mention the other day about options
998787;1422647195;ben_vulpes;oh, mostly just trolling you
998788;1422647267;coderwill;ben_vulpes: the first thing i asked was to see the cap table
998789;1422647314;coderwill;ben_vulpes: sorry wasn't around to reply
998790;1422647387;coderwill;so when i asked to see the cap table, was told that no one except investors are allowed to see cap table
998791;1422647408;coderwill;then what mike_c said was almost exactly what happened afterward, ironically
998792;1422647483;mircea_popescu;next time tell them "listen bub, i'm not fresh off the turnip truck. you want to hire me on pure salary, it's $1,5mn the first year payable upfront and increasing by 1mn each eyar after that.
998793;1422647489;mircea_popescu;now go get that cap table."
998794;1422647535;coderwill;yeah, i thought about that at the time, but then was like, well, i guess i'm getting to work at one of the most well-known wallet providers, that could be good for subsequent opportunities
998795;1422647552;mircea_popescu;except it's moreover bad.
998796;1422647565;coderwill;correct, that was a naive thought in many regards
998797;1422647572;mircea_popescu;well, at least now it's in the logs.
998798;1422647624;trinque;coderwill: nah man, that "this will at least be good for my resume" thing is just a way of learning to love the pole
998799;1422647652;mircea_popescu;it's how amanda hess works, at any rate :D
998800;1422647657;coderwill;haha, it's all good
998801;1422647683;trinque;everyone in the industry under 30 is a perma-intern
998802;1422647714;coderwill;i am thankful for the opportunity and it has let me to better places, but definitely not what i was expecting when i came on board
998803;1422647750;trinque;that said why fight for equity if the businesses wont even be there in a few years
998804;1422647760;ben_vulpes;yeah fuck equity
998805;1422647761;trinque;maybe 2 of the 7 I've worked for still exist
998806;1422647763;ben_vulpes;short the shartups
998807;1422647772;trinque;one of those is my own
998808;1422647781;coderwill;at the same time, there are some people i really enjoyed getting to know who i'd be happy to work with again. it's just a few that made it very strange for everyone
998809;1422647830;coderwill;trinque: agreed, equity is not all it's cracked up to be
998810;1422647868;trinque;well it's not equity; it's that the companies are largely worthless
998811;1422647902;trinque;I had looads of shares of the terrible rails startup I was a part of years ago
998812;1422647921;trinque;company's dead; shares aren't worth one reddit note
998813;1422647925;mircea_popescu;trinque pushing for equity is an essential tool in evaluating the company.
998814;1422647935;mircea_popescu;peopel tend to forget that working for a start-up is a LOAN.
998815;1422647937;coderwill;trinque: reminds me of a quote from @fakegrimlock - https://twitter.com/fakegrimlock/status/487334449089372161
998816;1422647939;assbot;HOW TO SET SALARY: THERE 99% CHANCE 100% OF YOUR EQUITY WORTH ZERO. NO SKIMP ON PAY IF WANT BEST. http://t.co/gpv43slvlc
998817;1422647940;trinque;mircea_popescu: oh certainly!
998818;1422647946;trinque;just commenting on the worthlessness of american startups
998819;1422647972;mircea_popescu;well the only way to survive is to nmot work for a worthless one.
998820;1422647987;coderwill;mircea_popescu: i like your idea about working for a startup being a loan
998821;1422647994;scoopbot;New post on Trilema by Mircea Popescu: http://trilema.com/2015/the-meta-problem/
998822;1422648034;coderwill;mircea_popescu: seems like the ones that think of it that way are far and few between
998823;1422648083;mircea_popescu;coderwill think of it in sexual terms. "honey let's fuck". "are you going to be around in ten years to raiuse my children ?" "nope" "so i'm loaning you my taxed income in the future ?"
998824;1422648128;mircea_popescu;traditional employment of the "that's a firm to put 30 years in with" isn't a loan particularly for that reason.
998825;1422648167;coderwill;haha
998826;1422648259;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34734 @ 0.00042959 = 14.9214 BTC [+]
998827;1422648360;coderwill;it's a bummer people can't be more straight-up with potential hires
998828;1422648372;trinque;mircea_popescu: seems this state you describe in the article is terminal
998829;1422648384;mircea_popescu;which one ?
998830;1422648384;trinque;coderwill: you have to force them to be, and if you can't, why would they?
998831;1422648387;coderwill;i guess there is a flipside though, which is people wanting everything
998832;1422648395;trinque;mircea_popescu: the meta problem
998833;1422648411;trinque;if a person can't reason enough to reason that they'd better improve their reasoning, fucked
998834;1422648461;ben_vulpes;fucked without external intervention.
998835;1422648463;trinque;maybe someone external can force them to do otherwise, but they never will
998836;1422648465;trinque;right
998837;1422648466;ben_vulpes;hence beatings.
998838;1422648504;coderwill;trinque: re: hiring, probably best to start small with people you trust almost unconditionally
998839;1422648561;coderwill;or maybe a better way of saying it, a person who comes to the table thinking "what's in this for us" instead of "what's in this for me"
998840;1422648575;mircea_popescu;trinque aka d-k as hanbot points out
998841;1422648606;mircea_popescu;<trinque> maybe someone external can force them to do otherwise, but they never will << main point of slavery.
998842;1422648614;mircea_popescu;"you'll be eating dogfood off the floor until you can X"
998843;1422648630;trinque;poking at the roots of the brain directly, read that in another recent article
998844;1422648643;mircea_popescu;coderwill yes, that and the frankness are the predicates of this place, and why it works, and why qntra will sink gawker and so on.
998845;1422648665;mircea_popescu;it's just altogether a much better model.
998846;1422648696;mircea_popescu;it only works for rich, smart people, but then again let gavin have africa, and graham sillycon valley, they'll have fun together.
998847;1422648762;ben_vulpes;<coderwill> trinque: re: hiring, probably best to start small with people you trust almost unconditionally << i've had decent success hiring friends and their friends.
998848;1422648778;trinque;ben_vulpes: dat irl wot
998849;1422648788;ben_vulpes;wots rule everything around me
998850;1422648820;ben_vulpes;mind you, coderwill "friends" is not the criteria.
998851;1422648842;coderwill;mircea_popescu: yeah, hope something positive comes out at the end
998852;1422648844;ben_vulpes;it's more like "dood i know and respect knows and respects this other dood, so i guess i'll give him a whirl".
998853;1422648861;trinque;^ requires good stock that knows the meaning of respect
998854;1422648877;ben_vulpes;tricky, indubitably.
998855;1422649015;asciilifeform;185964.
998856;1422649021;ben_vulpes;as an aside, the whole vesting thing is odd.
998857;1422649047;ben_vulpes;i've been batting around the notion of a qntra-style stock pool, where stock in the operation would be issued in direct proportion to hours clocked on the project.
998858;1422649060;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: lol!
998859;1422649065;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: why not by the pound ?
998860;1422649078;asciilifeform;!s which screw
998861;1422649079;assbot;16 results for 'which screw' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=which+screw
998862;1422649090;ben_vulpes;i don't quite know if this is topologically different from an option pool with a vesting schedule, except that it provides some fairness proportionality to the time worked
998863;1422649098;asciilifeform;try paying the 'which screw' man by the hour.
998864;1422649113;ben_vulpes;i've no business with "which screw" men.
998865;1422649140;ben_vulpes;everything we touch gets the shit automated out of it as a precondition of touching it.
998866;1422649158;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: what do your men do, the profit from which is at all proportional to the time spent?
998867;1422649175;asciilifeform;iirc there was programming involved?
998868;1422649183;ben_vulpes;read, think. occasionally commit a line or two of code.
998869;1422649211;ben_vulpes;others: read, think, occasionally produce a UI layout.
998870;1422649221;asciilifeform;and the fella who has to think for two hours to come up with xxxx, should be paid 2x the pay of the 1h one ?
998871;1422649245;asciilifeform;am i the only one who thinks this is odd
998872;1422649255;ben_vulpes;the fella who thinks for twice as long is generally not paid nearly what the one who can see it instantly.
998873;1422649259;ben_vulpes;(is).
998874;1422649270;asciilifeform;the latter is called 'which screw'
998875;1422649291;ben_vulpes;you're forcing a metaphor.
998876;1422649331;ben_vulpes;some read and do (the correct thing) very quickly, and are remunerated in proportion to their time spent and speed at which they do it.
998877;1422649349;ben_vulpes;this allows the man who only cares to work for 15 hours per week to do so, comfortably, provided he's good at what he does.
998878;1422649366;asciilifeform;hourly billing, esp. for engineering, always seemed like the worst possible incentive to me
998879;1422649389;asciilifeform;the most valuable contractor is the one who magicks away the problem in seconds and then gets out of yer face
998880;1422649403;ben_vulpes;well, we work with derpy web stacks man.
998881;1422649411;ben_vulpes;each a snowflake with its own peculiarities.
998882;1422649412;asciilifeform;especially there, this ought to be true ?
998883;1422649424;asciilifeform;the master of a particular turd can 'turn the screw'
998884;1422649426;ben_vulpes;as we get up to speed on a given codebase/ops story, shit moves vastly more quickly.
998885;1422649429;asciilifeform;civilian - will be reading the horror for weeks
998886;1422649448;trinque;really hard to quantify this stuff
998887;1422649455;ben_vulpes;no doubt, asciilifeform, no doubt.
998888;1422649457;asciilifeform;the gnarlier, uglier, the proggy, the more potential for 'screws'
998889;1422649475;ben_vulpes;but someone must invest the capital to justify loading it into a team's shared understanding.
998890;1422649548;*;asciilifeform finds the above ^ a bit confusing but may be out of depth
998891;1422649582;ben_vulpes;the source must be read, neh?
998892;1422649593;ben_vulpes;this takes time.
998893;1422649598;ben_vulpes;someone must foot the bill for that.
998894;1422649606;asciilifeform;unless you already knew (or even wrote) it
998895;1422649609;asciilifeform;(consultant)
998896;1422649623;ben_vulpes;sure, for greenfield absolutely.
998897;1422649631;cazalla;nubbins`: cazalla tell us more about your web of hate <<< some kid printed out ICQ chatlogs that he was not even involved in and took them to the police
998898;1422649641;ben_vulpes;but what about the project whose maintainer has ghosted themselves off to the next interesting thing?
998899;1422649700;asciilifeform;even for straight reverse-engineering, there are order-of-magnitude variations in the amount different folks have to read to grasp the problem
998900;1422649759;asciilifeform;i bet you can think of some examples of this, from your own practice
998901;1422649764;cazalla;nubbins`: is there anyone here who hasn't made the local news for threatening people? o.O <<< i made TV too because what else happens in the sticks, thankfully minor at the time.. all this shit because i said i was gonna machine gun a bunch of people
998902;1422649771;ben_vulpes;asciilifeform: several.
998903;1422649811;ben_vulpes;i'd not go so far as to say "order of magnitude"
998904;1422649820;ben_vulpes;perhaps 2x to 3x
998905;1422649835;cazalla;mircea_popescu: cazalla: well that was short lived.. "you have been banned from posting to /r/Buttcoin" << what sort of low quality shilling have you been engaging in! <<< i criticised the jews :\
998906;1422649852;mats;cazalla: lemme guess. 'ButterNubber'?
998907;1422649861;cazalla;mats, that's not me
998908;1422649873;ben_vulpes;in our snowflake of a case, that's more due to the difference between people who've seen things like the bug under the microscope before, and people who've yet to learn the myriad of tools and mental models to cope effectively.
998909;1422649875;mats;the mystery continues.
998910;1422649906;ben_vulpes;a bit of economics: in training those people, their value delivered goes up disproportionately to their wage hikes.
998911;1422649909;trinque;ben_vulpes: is being drunk a mental model or a tool
998912;1422649916;trinque;that one makes django a breeze
998913;1422649923;ben_vulpes;trinque: well if you know what you're doing, and you're climbing with Ballmer...
998914;1422649932;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: their value delivered goes up disproportionately to their wage hikes << naggum wrote at some length on this subject
998915;1422649940;ben_vulpes;asciilifeform: i'd love to read it
998916;1422649968;ben_vulpes;there's another side to that as well, which is that the people with whom I work who do things at the 2x-3x range of the others actually enjoy teaching juniors and collaborating on these projects.
998917;1422649995;ben_vulpes;non monetary remuneration.
998918;1422649999;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: http://www.xach.com/naggum/articles/3134574475962391@naggum.no.html << one bit. there was more, somewhere
998919;1422649999;assbot;Re: Newbie questions - Naggum cll archive ... ( http://bit.ly/1EuQTx6 )
998920;1422650076;asciilifeform;http://www.xach.com/naggum/articles/3184272714185846@naggum.net.html
998921;1422650077;assbot;Re: What Lisp needs to beat Java, etc. - Naggum cll archive ... ( http://bit.ly/1EuR3EM )
998922;1422650141;asciilifeform;'Let's put it another way: Money will _not_ get you any Open Source or Free Software.  People create software like this because they want to, _not_ because they get paid.  Money is a basically a _detractor_ for creative people who want others to use their software and through that become personally visible.  It is pretty sad, but money does not offer visibility to someone who is begging for others to notice him.  Open Source a
998923;1422650141;asciilifeform;nd Free Software are proofs that computers are alienating in the old Marxist sense and the Open Source and Free Software projects are reactions to this sense of alienation, in order to make the person stand out from the computerized nothingness.'
998924;1422650215;danielpbarron;it's like a starving artist kid i know that will spitefully do a poor job if you pay him to draw something
998925;1422650304;ben_vulpes;asciilifeform: we definitely diverge from the original topic significantly here, but "community" and "belongingness" is a core part of what we do.
998926;1422650331;ben_vulpes;we have relationships with our clients, get to know their business and make a nominal difference in how they do it.
998927;1422650337;coderwill;ben_vulpes: sorry, delayed reply - yeah i get what you are saying about hiring friends
998928;1422650377;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: yeah, linked piece is not quite what i was looking for
998929;1422650380;asciilifeform;it's in there, somewhere.
998930;1422650425;asciilifeform;(*in the archive)
998931;1422650434;ben_vulpes;myeah.
998932;1422650442;ben_vulpes;i'd like to be more familiar with that archive.
998933;1422650449;*;ben_vulpes files it for peacetime
998934;1422650455;asciilifeform;http://www.xach.com/naggum/articles/index.html
998935;1422650456;assbot;Erik Naggum comp.lang.lisp archive ... ( http://bit.ly/1yMUgap )
998936;1422650462;*;asciilifeform at one point snarfed up all of it
998937;1422650612;trinque;!up felipelalli
998938;1422650625;trinque;felipelalli: you're going to want to get yourself a cloak
998939;1422650638;trinque;and a properly configured irc client
998940;1422650654;trinque;somebody in here likes to ddos IPs that appear in logs
998941;1422650707;trinque;I'm sure we're all being scanned for hax as well
998942;1422650730;trinque;^heh! fled
998943;1422651235;cazalla;why the name change trinque?
998944;1422651364;trinque;cazalla: this was always my otc handle, and hence the name that made it into assbot
998945;1422651371;trinque;and why use an alias
998946;1422651423;cazalla;guess i gots to make another symlink in my mind much in the same way i made one for bitcoinpete
998947;1422651524;BingoBoingo;!b 4
998948;1422651525;assbot;Last 4 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/25RYXFV.txt )
998949;1422651594;trinque;BingoBoingo: is this to highlight "why use an alias" for when I'm hauled off to room 101?
998950;1422651669;BingoBoingo;trinque: Nah, just wanted to highlight brain symlinks
998951;1422653017;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10787 @ 0.00042663 = 4.6021 BTC [-] {2} 
998952;1422653078;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 42513 @ 0.00043175 = 18.355 BTC [+]
998953;1422653279;kakobrekla;i know changing names is not a good practice, but perhaps for the sake of sync we could allow to update your name once (given properly signed request from adequate gpg key)
998954;1422653653;ben_vulpes;changing names not a good practice?
998955;1422653665;ben_vulpes;so long as the fp doesn't change how does that matter?
998956;1422653670;ben_vulpes;felipelalli: you'll need a cloak.
998957;1422653714;kakobrekla;ben_vulpes think of it this way: why dont we just use FP instead of nicks ?
998958;1422653739;asciilifeform;kakobrekla: that was sorta the plan in 'gossip'
998959;1422653752;asciilifeform;nick is just something you'd assign locally to an fp, for convenience
998960;1422653765;kakobrekla;reminds me of http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=30-01-2015#998582
998961;1422653765;assbot;Logged on 30-01-2015 16:49:48; kakobrekla: the thing with the phone was, when you were sending sms you had to type in the destination phone number from your head, no way to use saved entries.
998962;1422653783;kakobrekla;yes, locally
998963;1422653788;kakobrekla;thats different matter.
998964;1422653815;asciilifeform;this is actually more like how names work in life
998965;1422653828;asciilifeform;i.e. you have some say in what folks you meet will call you, but not 100%
998966;1422653873;kakobrekla;but say you rated undata at some point, and then he changes nick to pirateat40 and you will wtf next time you check your ratings
998967;1422653881;felipelalli;ben_vulpes: why?
998968;1422653915;davout;kakobrekla: dat true
998969;1422653919;kakobrekla;now, this is just a one time inconvenience, but say everyone would change all the time. nicht gut.
998970;1422653937;davout;i can hardly remember who this kakobrekla guy is anyway
998971;1422653948;kakobrekla;see its already hard for frenchies.
998972;1422654037;asciilifeform;so:
998973;1422654051;asciilifeform;bitcoind limited to 'orphanage' of 50 blocks (running on ordinary pc) never syncs
998974;1422654062;scoopbot;New post on Qntra.net by cazalla: http://qntra.net/2015/01/police-warn-bitcoin-extortion-letter-recipients-not-to-pay/
998975;1422654062;asciilifeform;stuck at 3466.
998976;1422654098;jurov;and does the std limit of 750 help with oom after all?
998977;1422654157;asciilifeform;almost certainly not (quite definitely not on 'pogo')
998978;1422654175;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu was right in that a fundamentally more intelligent mechanism for retrieving blocks is necessary
998979;1422654287;asciilifeform;testing a build of same with constant of 250
998980;1422654306;asciilifeform;if the memory footprint can actually be limited, the smaller machine can perhaps be allowed to swap to disk.
998981;1422654312;davout;being able to request blox from peers for a certain height would solve the whole thing instantly
998982;1422654329;asciilifeform;aha.
998983;1422654373;jurov;malicious peers can poison us with orphan chain up to that height
998984;1422654376;jurov;anyway
998985;1422654389;jurov;i'd suggest to use difficulty
998986;1422654407;davout;if you're connected to only malicious peers you're kinda fuxxored anyway
998987;1422654416;asciilifeform;malicious peers not even needed for this
998988;1422654422;asciilifeform;it happens reliably, anyway
998989;1422654429;jurov;yes. but if we put in expected difficulty instead of checkpoints
998990;1422654442;jurov;then producing fake blocks is.. well dificult
998991;1422654445;davout;"malicious peers not even needed for this" <<< how?
998992;1422654478;asciilifeform;davout: the flood happens nearly always in the natural process of loading blocks
998993;1422654484;jurov;(just spur if the moment idea)
998994;1422654487;jurov;*of
998995;1422654549;davout;ah, i thought you were referring to jurov's 'malicious peers' objection to consider requesting blocks based on height
998996;1422654855;jurov;now that is something. if i secretly make 350k alternative blocks with minimal difficulty, will that altchain get chosen if we have no checkpoints?
998997;1422654861;asciilifeform;experimental result:
998998;1422654866;asciilifeform;(250, x86)
998999;1422654892;asciilifeform;ten minutes of run, 127937 height (and going at that rate), at no point process exceeded 90MB
999000;1422655065;asciilifeform;but!
999001;1422655071;asciilifeform;seems like it got lucky with peers
999002;1422655083;asciilifeform;log shows that only two 'bastards' came in
999003;1422655105;*;asciilifeform resets
999004;1422655286;asciilifeform;grep "ORPHAN BLOCK" ~/.bitcoin/debug.log  | wc -l
999005;1422655793;asciilifeform;^ 'bastard count'
999006;1422656311;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22125 @ 0.0004171 = 9.2283 BTC [-]
999007;1422656329;mod6;Anyone wanna test out a perl script for me? http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=Wp8V8n9h
999008;1422656330;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1yVycPy )
999009;1422656372;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11346 @ 0.00041058 = 4.6584 BTC [-]
999010;1422656528;asciilifeform;2nd run (see above) :
999011;1422656571;asciilifeform;after ~15 min, 950 (iirc) bastards, 85MB max footprint - reached a wedge state at 119970 (1983 bastards, came in burst)
999012;1422656595;mod6;yal
999013;1422656621;asciilifeform;ERROR: ConnectInputs() : xxxxxxxxx mapTransactions prev not found yyyyyyyyy
999014;1422656621;asciilifeform;ERROR: AcceptToMemoryPool() : ConnectInputs failed xxxxxxxxx
999015;1422656623;asciilifeform;^ of this form
999016;1422656805;asciilifeform;go figure, dislodged.
999017;1422656807;davout;jurov: "now that is something. if i secretly make 350k alternative blocks with minimal difficulty, will that altchain get chosen if we have no checkpoints?" <<< i don't think so. if you have 8 peers you'll get two different blocks at different diff for the same height, hard to feed you a bogus chain
999018;1422656817;asciilifeform;stays in mem footprint
999019;1422656834;asciilifeform;(2800 bastards in)
999020;1422656847;asciilifeform;124000 & counting
999021;1422656862;asciilifeform;this is actually an unsurprising result
999022;1422656877;asciilifeform;if connects to a peer who insists on pumping it full of bastards, cyclically, of course it wedges.
999023;1422656893;asciilifeform;but when wedged, does not oom.
999024;1422656935;mod6;wait until you get to here:
999025;1422656935;mod6;http://dpaste.com/1K109AP
999026;1422656938;assbot;dpaste: 1K109AP ... ( http://bit.ly/1EURyoS )
999027;1422656985;asciilifeform;based on the footprint, the orphanage burner functions
999028;1422657110;asciilifeform;same effect at 131019...
999029;1422657117;asciilifeform;4570 bstrds
999030;1422657146;asciilifeform;117MB max footprint
999031;1422657167;asciilifeform;dislodged
999032;1422657193;asciilifeform;ergo, when it hits a retarded peer, grunts for a while
999033;1422657201;asciilifeform;would be more economical to simply chop the connection
999034;1422657211;asciilifeform;retards can go pound sand
999035;1422657287;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27000 @ 0.00040756 = 11.0041 BTC [-] {3} 
999036;1422657353;mats;cheer up
999037;1422657376;mats;can you feel ma love from over the tubes?
999038;1422657440;trinque;he said, inching closer, staring without a blink
999039;1422658355;asciilifeform;blocks=136927 bastards=7631 peak=120M
999040;1422658486;mod6;you're running with a 250 size limit cap now right?
999041;1422658494;asciilifeform;aha
999042;1422658505;asciilifeform;(on x86 box)
999043;1422658505;mod6;cool
999044;1422658667;*;danielpbarron now has 3 pogoplugs
999045;1422658690;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 12 @ 0.10442915 = 1.2531 BTC [+] {4} 
999046;1422658759;mod6;that's neat.  gonna test RI on 'em?
999047;1422658840;danielpbarron;what is RI
999048;1422658854;mod6;reference implementation
999049;1422658888;mod6;(v0.5.3 + patchez)
999050;1422658906;danielpbarron;ah, yes
999051;1422658927;mod6;werd. lettuce know how it goes. :]
999052;1422658971;*;BingoBoingo considering http://blog.linuxmint.com/?p=2760 as future desktop machine. Seems to satisfy stuff in bag, carry much distance criteria.
999053;1422658972;assbot;The Linux Mint Blog  » Blog Archive   » Introducing the MintBox Mini ... ( http://bit.ly/18Cxltn )
999054;1422659025;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo likes soldered-in wifi ?
999055;1422659046;BingoBoingo;solder melts
999056;1422659056;BingoBoingo;Antennas snip
999057;1422659068;asciilifeform;why not buy things that don't require mutilation.
999058;1422659191;*;BingoBoingo still populates list with candidates. can see merits of wifi for hotel camping scenarios, but prefers unpluggable wifi
999059;1422659545;asciilifeform;blocks=137849 bastards=8647 peak=128M
999060;1422660556;ben_vulpes;interesting hostname, berndj
999061;1422660570;ben_vulpes;hmph. nevermind.
999062;1422660591;asciilifeform;http://lurkmore.so/images/2/2e/66548.jpg << bitcoin 'core' developer
999063;1422660591;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/18Cy6mf )
999064;1422660638;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: http://lurkmore.so/images/e/ed/ArApp.jpg << see also
999065;1422660639;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/18Cycum )
999066;1422660647;asciilifeform;ought to be a book!
999067;1422662148;danielpbarron;i'm ssh'd into this thing; pretty neat
999068;1422662330;danielpbarron;http://www.reddit.com/r/IAmA/comments/2tzjp7/hi_reddit_im_bill_gates_and_im_back_for_my_third/co68xd5?context=8 << persistent guy!
999069;1422662333;assbot;GoldenVizions comments on Hi Reddit, I’m Bill Gates and I’m back for my third AMA. Ask me anything. ... ( http://bit.ly/1DfXEP9 )
999070;1422662403;danielpbarron;"This will take some time but getting into the Web of Trust is something I have wanted to do and have been studying for a few months now."
999071;1422662653;asciilifeform;blocks=144806 bastards=11847 peak=145M
999072;1422662716;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21382 @ 0.00042654 = 9.1203 BTC [+] {2} 
999073;1422662899;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3800 @ 0.00043333 = 1.6467 BTC [+]
999074;1422663324;scoopbot;New post on Qntra.net by Bingo Boingo: http://qntra.net/2015/01/police-offer-well-surveilled-online-exchange-zone/
999075;1422663326;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 61100 @ 0.00043633 = 26.6598 BTC [+] {2} 
999076;1422664164;mircea_popescu;!up berndj
999077;1422664169;mircea_popescu;!up Takeshi
999078;1422664207;mircea_popescu;anyone want the clearly very valuable oyvey.eu domain ?
999079;1422664265;mircea_popescu;lol cpt buttarms
999080;1422664404;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes: i've been batting around the notion of a qntra-style stock pool, where stock in the operation would be issued in direct proportion to hours clocked on the project. << risky if it ends up promoting clockpainting.
999081;1422664435;jurov;ben_vulpes: sell that idea to reddit
999082;1422664453;mircea_popescu;qntra works very well, at least so far, because everyone's work is fundamentally public, there's no meaning in "writing words' outside of obviously others reading them. so trying to thin out the product as it were is painfully visible and liable to cost whoever does it more than it's worth.
999083;1422664456;jurov;they can give scamcoins according to time spent there
999084;1422664464;mircea_popescu;with something private like you know, coding work, this may prove unfeasible.
999085;1422664478;mircea_popescu;jurov kinda what they do already no ?
999086;1422664508;jurov;well, yes.
999087;1422664776;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: what do your men do, the profit from which is at all proportional to the time spent? << this is a well pointed question. it'd seem your business is ass-backwardss : people do the job of computers, and i guess computers do the job of people ?!
999088;1422664777;trinque;seems just issuing bonuses when times are good is more manageable
999089;1422664778;trinque;maybe that's applicable to stock as well; just issue shares as you personally see fit
999090;1422664846;*;trinque wonders if there are rules on "fairness" in regards to giving employees stock
999091;1422664851;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 50214 @ 0.00042159 = 21.1697 BTC [-] {2} 
999092;1422664861;mircea_popescu;"everyone must get the same"
999093;1422664876;trinque;jesus
999094;1422664878;trinque;mircea_popescu: really?
999095;1422664884;mircea_popescu;well what ?!
999096;1422664923;trinque;well presumably I own the fucking thing, at least in my own delusion
999097;1422664932;trinque;I can't just decide a guy has pleased me and give him some?
999098;1422664973;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 1560 @ 0.000932 = 1.4539 BTC [-]
999099;1422664982;mircea_popescu;maybe you don't understand this whole "fairness" concept.
999100;1422665053;BingoBoingo;<mircea_popescu> with something private like you know, coding work, this may prove unfeasible. << Also as unequally as prose may be weighted, code is especially unequal when it comes to volume versus value.
999101;1422665062;trinque;seems dangerous to give stock at all then, if there's anything at all on the books about "fairness" to whoever
999102;1422665077;mircea_popescu;trinque yes, capitalism does not work in the hands of idiots.
999103;1422665085;mircea_popescu;like gpg. like everything else worth using.
999104;1422665109;mircea_popescu;it's that fabled lightsabre that only lightsabers if wielded by master.
999105;1422665161;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo yeah, you're right. qntra was a bold step into the darkness, perhaps too bold. trying it with coding is taking a bold  ~train trip~ into the wilderness.
999106;1422665202;asciilifeform;pay for quantity or time is how the fabled 'indian coder' came about.
999107;1422665219;asciilifeform;(the notion was once taken to extremes in that country)
999108;1422665221;trinque;I suppose I should stop being surprised.
999109;1422665239;BingoBoingo;<mircea_popescu> BingoBoingo yeah, you're right. qntra was a bold step into the darkness, perhaps too bold. trying it with coding is taking a bold  ~train trip~ into the wilderness. << Well with Qntra and prose having editorial controls helps to level the problem. I can not imagine a similar arbiter existing for code.
999110;1422665253;asciilifeform;time is the less immediately-suicidal variant - all you end up with is a clock-watcher and a lighter wallet
999111;1422665254;trinque;the incoherence of it all sets off instinctual rage that if nothing else keeps me hammering away at the wall
999112;1422665260;asciilifeform;'weight' is the killer
999113;1422665267;asciilifeform;you have to live with... the code. afterwards.
999114;1422665301;mircea_popescu;^
999115;1422665322;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform i know precisely one place where this approach worked.
999116;1422665346;asciilifeform;'The practice is pervaded by the reassuring illusion that programs are just devices like any others, the only difference admitted being that their manufacture might require a new type of craftsmen, viz. programmers. From there it is only a small step to measuring "programmer productivity" in terms of "number of lines of code produced per month". This is a very costly measuring unit because it encourages the writing of insipid
999117;1422665347;asciilifeform;code, but today I am less interested in how foolish a unit it is from even a pure business point of view. My point today is that, if we wish to count lines of code, we should not regard them as "lines produced" but as "lines spent": the current conventional wisdom is so foolish as to book that count on the wrong side of the ledger.'
999118;1422665349;mircea_popescu;i dunno if you like balzac much, but the only reason the fat lazy fuck exists as a writer is because he had to pay his eternal debts and the newspapers paid by the line.
999119;1422665351;ben_vulpes;i'm apparently in the unique situation of reading through all code that gets produced in my shop and having more or less everyone's eyes on everyone's product.
999120;1422665352;asciilifeform;https://www.cs.utexas.edu/~EWD/transcriptions/EWD10xx/EWD1036.html
999121;1422665354;assbot;Page not found | Computer Science Department The University of Texas at Austin ... ( http://bit.ly/1vhLve1 )
999122;1422665370;asciilifeform;'On the cruelty of really teaching computing science' (dijkstra)
999123;1422665375;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes that'll scale about as well as "i don't need condoms, i only fuck clean girls"
999124;1422665380;ben_vulpes;i was just about to say.
999125;1422665382;trinque;ben_vulpes: it just occurred to me that perhaps the group could somehow quantify their mutual perception of who has contributed?
999126;1422665390;ben_vulpes;NO QUANTIFICATION
999127;1422665392;trinque;is that faiaaaiiiirrr? *wiggles eyebrows*
999128;1422665393;mircea_popescu;trinque hey, you're really building teh reddit
999129;1422665401;trinque;damn it; I did.
999130;1422665403;ben_vulpes;you stop it with your mad quest for metriced decisionmaking
999131;1422665412;trinque;but doesn't have to be flat
999132;1422665421;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes fucks with bigger tits that last longer should be paid more!
999133;1422665428;asciilifeform;the group could somehow quantify their mutual perception << l0ll!!!
999134;1422665429;ben_vulpes;yeah i do it manually on walks with individual contributors
999135;1422665443;trinque;asciilifeform: the fuck; you never do peer code review?
999136;1422665448;asciilifeform;nope
999137;1422665460;ben_vulpes;asciilifeform clearly has no peers capable of reading his code
999138;1422665461;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6786 @ 0.00040931 = 2.7776 BTC [-]
999139;1422665481;ben_vulpes;it's actually a manual walking of the shop wot
999140;1422665482;ben_vulpes;hm.
999141;1422665484;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes trinque well have you looked at the sort of shit he outputs ?
999142;1422665485;ben_vulpes;WHATEVER
999143;1422665487;trinque;mircea_popescu: doesn't what someone is paid quantify it ultimately anyway?
999144;1422665492;mircea_popescu;4mb bitcoind that doesn't fucking work etc.
999145;1422665501;trinque;haha
999146;1422665517;trinque;ben_vulpes: right, internal wot, exactly
999147;1422665539;trinque;doesn't matter though, nanny bama will burn your house down if you try to introduce hierarchy
999148;1422665546;trinque;I can't process that
999149;1422665618;mircea_popescu;so i just re-read this article, it's getting to the point where i manage to piss MYSELF off.
999150;1422665629;mircea_popescu;i wonder if anyone ever trolled themselves off the internet.
999151;1422665710;BingoBoingo;!b 3
999152;1422665711;assbot;Last 3 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/2DT70A3.txt )
999153;1422665775;trinque;mircea_popescu: which?
999154;1422665801;mircea_popescu;the last one.
999155;1422665802;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com3690.3 %3692.6 %
999156;1422665802;mircea_popescu;http://qntra.net/2015/01/the-hard-fork-missile-crisis/3280.3 %3282.3 %
999157;1422665803;assbot;502 Bad Gateway ... ( http://bit.ly/1yOjHbP )
999158;1422665807;mircea_popescu;^ check it out, a challenger appears.
999159;1422665848;trinque;the write on the screen bit -> my sides
999160;1422665859;mircea_popescu;http://www.donotlink.com/ << btw.
999161;1422665861;assbot;Link without improving "their" search engine position | donotlink.com ... ( http://bit.ly/1yOk0U1 )
999162;1422665866;mircea_popescu;how do you know you REALLY piss people off.
999163;1422665896;asciilifeform;lol!
999164;1422665971;mircea_popescu;http://www.reddit.com/r/Buttcoin/comments/2t7k6w/the_emperor_is_buttnaked_btc_block_size/cnx2cor
999165;1422665972;assbot;dgerard comments on The Emperor is Buttnaked (BTC block size discussion with Gavin) ... ( http://bit.ly/1vhO67K )
999166;1422665975;mircea_popescu;othar efforts in the same vein.
999167;1422666009;mircea_popescu;ahh, i recall the age of the romanian pond, when a bunch of retarded ~romanians~ similarly entertained delusions of, you know, we will HURT THIS GUY!!111
999168;1422666010;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 43500 @ 0.00041322 = 17.9751 BTC [+]
999169;1422666017;mircea_popescu;because obviously anything's within reach.
999170;1422666157;mircea_popescu;meanwhile :
999171;1422666157;mircea_popescu;[�]Institutional_Invest 1 point 9 days ago  TLDR of this discussion?
999172;1422666157;mircea_popescu;[�]wonderkindel 5 points 8 days ago  Gavin sees a major shitstorm ahead, does not know of any way out, but hopes that cartels of honest miners will materialize to keep the dream wet.
999173;1422666164;mircea_popescu;check it out davout, r/buttcoin gets it ?!
999174;1422666173;ben_vulpes;http://www.reddit.com/r/Buttcoin/comments/2u7ddq/the_real_reason_ryan_charles_was_fired_from/
999175;1422666177;assbot;The real reason Ryan Charles was fired from reddit: he spent the entire duration of his employment working on a port of bitcoin core to Javascript. : Buttcoin ... ( http://bit.ly/1vhOTp9 )
999176;1422666186;mircea_popescu;lawl
999177;1422666193;mircea_popescu;it wasn't javascript
999178;1422666195;mircea_popescu;it was xml.
999179;1422666205;mircea_popescu;inspired by a returnofkinks.com post.
999180;1422666232;BingoBoingo;lol
999181;1422666312;trinque;lol @ notch did minecraft in js
999182;1422666393;ben_vulpes;returnofkinks << bahahaha
999183;1422666411;davout;mircea_popescu: yeah well, if honest cartels don't make it we can only hope about "maybe assurance contracts, maybe bonded identies tied to transaction fees"
999184;1422666434;mircea_popescu;that "assurance contracts" in particular is such insane dumb only hearn could have sprouted it.
999185;1422666453;mircea_popescu;do you know how syria could have bombed new york ?
999186;1422666456;mircea_popescu;ASSURANCE CONTRACTS!
999187;1422666460;davout;they're called difficulty futures goddammit
999188;1422666469;davout;XD
999189;1422666480;mircea_popescu;a bunch of derps in beirut getting together and agreeing to have bombed new york is how new york will have been bombed.
999190;1422666497;mircea_popescu;subjonctive died out in english because it was stupid, time to reimplement it out of javascript and call it something else!
999191;1422666513;mircea_popescu;do you know how "the sanctions" destroyed putin ?
999192;1422666524;mircea_popescu;by washington agreeing with reddit that they did!
999193;1422666533;mircea_popescu;redditardssurance contracts!
999194;1422666549;davout;on an other topic, wrt to pogo plug chain sync
999195;1422666574;asciilifeform;'Every nationalist is haunted by the belief that the past can be altered. He spends part of his time in a fantasy world in which things happen as they should � in which, for example, the Spanish Armada was a success or the Russian Revolution was crushed in 1918 � and he will transfer fragments of this world to the history books whenever possible. Much of the propagandist writing of our time amounts to plain forgery. Materi
999196;1422666574;asciilifeform;al facts are suppressed, dates altered, quotations removed from their context and doctored so as to change their meaning. Events which it is felt ought not to have happened are left unmentioned and ultimately denied.' (orwell/nationalism)
999197;1422666583;davout;i'm kinda hesitating between genius and braindamaged for the following idea: what if the chain gets synced backwards from the top?
999198;1422666658;davout;see a bunch of nodes sorta agreeing on the same chain tip, take it, work backwards to genesis block easily since you can easily fetch previous block, once done verify chain and get back to usual bzns
999199;1422666691;asciilifeform;work backwards to genesis block >> or to perdition
999200;1422666790;davout;asciilifeform: yeah, there's that but unless you're maliciously partitioned away from the legit network it wouldn't be trivial to fool you
999201;1422666852;davout;you'd kinda notice it quickly too if every other node you ask about this (N-1) block tells you to gtfo
999202;1422666867;davout;just my 2 gavincoins
999203;1422666899;davout;i'm off, laterz
999204;1422667160;asciilifeform;blocks=180294 bastards=18412 peak=168M
999205;1422667170;asciilifeform;pogo: 187387
999206;1422667173;mircea_popescu;davout how do you know what the top is ?
999207;1422667252;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform and how well that worked for the nationalists is evident everwhere around us!
999208;1422667271;mircea_popescu;what was the hands-down, no question asked, no doubt possible dominant party and c ultural force of the 1930s ?
999209;1422667276;mircea_popescu;anihilated by 1960.
999210;1422667280;mircea_popescu;completely gone by 1990.
999211;1422667283;mircea_popescu;such success...
999212;1422667290;mircea_popescu;that the socialists are doing the same thing...
999213;1422667307;mircea_popescu;so what, anihilated by 2020, completely gone by 2050, hopefully we'll be smarter than to do it over.
999214;1422667412;mircea_popescu;(but to anyone not quite seeing the world for what it is : yes we are at war, and yes the year is about 1944, and yes the fucking nazis are running the fucking concentration camps and invaded russia and so on and so forth. you had no idera about it, but similarly you had no idea about it in 1944. the only reason this is being an issue is because the introduction of the bitcoin tank/bomber/submarine is massively turning
999215;1422667412;mircea_popescu; the tide, and suddenly all sorts of disparate and previously doomed forces are now converging.
999216;1422667426;mircea_popescu;you wouldn't have known there's such a thing as "french partisans" if there wasn't a 1945, either)
999217;1422667517;mircea_popescu;so no, when i'm talking about hanging each and every us bureaucrat, through a war crimes court, within our lifetime i am not being in any sense and to any degree metaphorical.
999218;1422667654;mircea_popescu;!rated danielpbarron
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999220;1422667674;mircea_popescu;!rate danielpbarron 2 He's sort of like an apostle.
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999224;1422667840;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21050 @ 0.00041175 = 8.6673 BTC [-]
999225;1422667962;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34218 @ 0.00041563 = 14.222 BTC [+] {2} 
999226;1422668062;danielpbarron;i've got archlinux on this thing now
999227;1422668087;danielpbarron;i'll look into doing openbsd later once i get the hang of this
999228;1422668152;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: http://web.archive.org/web/20110125101820/tacomaconfidential.typepad.com/the_murder_book_2008/2010/10/hans-reiser-former-genius-convicted-murderer-and-future-mad-scientist.html << criminal justice mega-lulzmine
999229;1422668154;assbot;The Murder Book : Hans Reiser: former genius, convicted murderer and future mad scientist? ... ( http://bit.ly/1HuBiQp )
999230;1422668168;asciilifeform;specifically,
999231;1422668170;asciilifeform;'At one point, before trial, Hans was offered a three-year-sentence if he pled guilty to manslaughter. He refused and will now serve at least 15 years behind bars.)'
999232;1422668175;*;asciilifeform did not verify this
999233;1422668178;BingoBoingo;Ah
999234;1422668211;asciilifeform;the 'plea bargain' thing works by demonstrative public floggings like this
999235;1422668272;ben_vulpes;former genius?
999236;1422668275;ben_vulpes;i wonder how that works.
999237;1422668306;asciilifeform;!b 2
999238;1422668306;assbot;Last 2 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/18666MW.txt )
999239;1422668340;asciilifeform;it works like this: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=31-01-2015#999195
999240;1422668340;assbot;Logged on 31-01-2015 01:09:34; asciilifeform: 'Every nationalist is haunted by the belief that the past can be altered. He spends part of his time in a fantasy world in which things happen as they should � in which, for example, the Spanish Armada was a success or the Russian Revolution was crushed in 1918 � and he will transfer fragments of this world to the history books whenever possible. Much of the propagandist writing of our time amounts to
999241;1422668369;asciilifeform;modern state claims sovereignty over not only present, future, but also past.
999242;1422668392;ben_vulpes;satoshi the thought-criminal.
999243;1422668422;asciilifeform;the easiest, most often reached-for weapon is 'this never happened'
999244;1422668433;asciilifeform;if it fails, then, 'thought crime'
999245;1422668602;asciilifeform;danielpbarron: iirc, openbsd will not see the nand flash on the 'pogo.'
999246;1422668616;asciilifeform;danielpbarron: there may be an experimental driver.
999247;1422668900;danielpbarron;oh :<
999248;1422669150;midnightmagic;uh. just for the record, I strongly disagree with plotting the violent overthrow of the USG. I do not, have not, will not, and would not even in the face of violent coercion, consider the use of violent and/or lethal force as a vehicle of governmental change. I am not a seditionist.
999249;1422669185;danielpbarron;what about financial overthrow?
999250;1422669209;midnightmagic;fair game if it's a peaceful choice on the part of people.
999251;1422669236;asciilifeform;'if you saw a man drowning, and had the choice between saving him and taking a photo, what aperture and exposure settings would you use ?'
999252;1422669261;midnightmagic;financial starvation of classic authority structures is the primary reason I am interested in bitcoin: because it allows us to do so without shedding a drop of their blood.
999253;1422669389;*;asciilifeform does not expect to outlive usg by very long
999254;1422669404;asciilifeform;^ for reasons described in the 'last psychiatrist' essay linked to by mircea_popescu.
999255;1422669515;asciilifeform;midnightmagic: if you're actually expecting to 'starve' the state by using bitcoin, you may end up somewhat disappointed. it lives on flesh, not money.
999256;1422669594;asciilifeform;it is worth reading about ancient slave empires
999257;1422669613;asciilifeform;particularly relevant here is that of the inca
999258;1422669654;asciilifeform;who did not (afaik) make use of money, but had extensive system of slave labour (corvee labour, technically, form of taxation) and the closest thing to a totalitarian state they could pull off under their tech level
999259;1422669660;asciilifeform;complete with collectivized agriculture.
999260;1422669682;asciilifeform;notably absent from the picture: fiat (or any other) currency, debased or otherwise
999261;1422669710;asciilifeform;not trying to argue that usg will somehow transmogrify into inca empire when it 'needs to'
999262;1422669712;decimation;asciilifeform: "nationalism" strikes me as the wrong word here
999263;1422669728;asciilifeform;but that it is not entirely impossible to find a pill against whatever kind of resistance
999264;1422669731;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29264 @ 0.00041175 = 12.0495 BTC [-]
999265;1422669737;decimation;orwell was probably trying to name his enemies, but 'utopian dreamers' seems more fitting
999266;1422669739;midnightmagic;dude. seriously plotting or fomenting the physical murder of the USG is sedition, insurrection, and various related crimes and there's no fucking way I'm interested in being associated with it just because I'm lurking in here.
999267;1422669742;asciilifeform;as described in the mega-super book, 'the art of not being governed' (j.c.scott)
999268;1422669759;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform i forget, who is hans reiser ?
999269;1422669768;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: reiserfs.
999270;1422669774;mircea_popescu;<ben_vulpes> i wonder how that works. << drugs are bad mkay ?
999271;1422669776;decimation;he was the guy who wrote a filesytem; murdered his mail order bridge later
999272;1422669786;decimation;lol s/bridge/bride
999273;1422669788;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: killed (reasonably certainly) wife
999274;1422669799;*;asciilifeform still uses reiserfs...
999275;1422669800;midnightmagic;so. no offence, I'm pretty sure you guys aren't actually real seditionists, but I wanted to be on the record about what I think about violence.
999276;1422669829;asciilifeform;midnightmagic: 4 times is probably enough for the nsa tape
999277;1422669853;mircea_popescu;midnightmagic i added it to the bash for you. once jurov or some mod gets around to looking at it it may even show up
999278;1422669858;mircea_popescu;pity deedbot's temporarily dead.
999279;1422669861;*;asciilifeform envisions meeting midnightmagic at neighbouring gallows: 'but i....'
999280;1422669904;joecool;reiser4 is an excellent fs, i used to talk to some of his employees back when i maintained a patchset
999281;1422669909;mircea_popescu;<midnightmagic> financial starvation of classic authority structures is the primary reason I am interested in bitcoin: because it allows us to do so without shedding a drop of their blood. << this is a good principle. however, people starve best if they are surrounded by barbed wire manned by other people firmly decided to escalate force to any degree.
999282;1422669914;joecool;too bad he had to shove nina in lost+found
999283;1422669922;decimation;midnightmagic: you would not resort to violence under any circumstances?
999284;1422669930;mircea_popescu;so... yes. for as long as the usg is willing to die peacefully, it will die peacefully. and if it wishes to try and make a break for it, all the same, it will die bloodily.
999285;1422669938;mircea_popescu;the only point not in contention : it will die.
999286;1422669954;mircea_popescu;and i will be there to piss on its grave.
999287;1422669968;midnightmagic;decimation: justified violence can take many forms including self-defence from immediate and credible threats to life and limb.
999288;1422670048;mircea_popescu;<asciilifeform> not trying to argue that usg will somehow transmogrify into inca empire when it 'needs to' << ballas is fundamentally (if perhaps unaware-ly) arguing that it already has. that's where his numerous psychanalisis pieces on the public mindset converge.
999289;1422670066;asciilifeform;aha
999290;1422670076;midnightmagic;wolman also agrees
999291;1422670078;asciilifeform;presently the corvee labour is proxy, through taxation and debasement
999292;1422670085;asciilifeform;if these somehow hiccup - then direct.
999293;1422670109;ben_vulpes;<midnightmagic> uh. just for the record << lol what inspired this insipid bit of authority pandering?
999294;1422670124;mircea_popescu;hey, guy's entitled to his own position.
999295;1422670140;ben_vulpes;i'm just amused at the presentation
999296;1422670142;midnightmagic;ben_vulpes: As opposed to what? Pandering to the likes of you?
999297;1422670150;mircea_popescu;zing.
999298;1422670151;midnightmagic;please.
999299;1422670153;ben_vulpes;HEY GUISE IM STRONGLY SOMETHING OR OTHER
999300;1422670173;mircea_popescu;midnightmagic no, srsly, that was good >D
999301;1422670183;ben_vulpes;it'd be cool man!
999302;1422670189;ben_vulpes;like the first time anyone's ever done so!
999303;1422670194;ben_vulpes;you could be the first! best!
999304;1422670205;mircea_popescu;quite.
999305;1422670208;asciilifeform;let's all xxxxxxxx.
999306;1422670214;ben_vulpes;normally i'm brushed off like a fly.
999307;1422670219;ben_vulpes;it's your lucky day!
999308;1422670220;mircea_popescu;basically, he's not the right age to run away from home with you vulpes.
999309;1422670230;ben_vulpes;shame, that.
999310;1422670241;*;asciilifeform notes for the record (tm) that he is not in favour of deposing glorious fuhrer kim jong un, as that would be criminal, seditious, murderous, immoral...
999311;1422670244;mircea_popescu;possibly also not the right gender.
999312;1422670257;ben_vulpes;nah, plenty of labor to go around.
999313;1422670262;ben_vulpes;solar troughs don't build themselves.
999314;1422670266;mircea_popescu;i am in favour of deposing any kim, just as long as a) it's done violently and b) not by the us.
999315;1422670317;asciilifeform;hey kakobrekla, can we have a '! oath <argument>' - returns 'plotting or fomenting the physical murder of <argument> is sedition, insurrection, and various related crimes and there's no fucking way I'm interested in being associated with it just because I'm lurking in here.'
999316;1422670364;asciilifeform;e.g.,
999317;1422670367;mircea_popescu;i would like to learn more about how one can make money by renting out the space inside his nose.
999318;1422670369;asciilifeform;!oath kennedy
999319;1422670386;mircea_popescu;incidentally, is sedition actually still a crime
999320;1422670396;ben_vulpes;yup!
999321;1422670401;trinque;pretty sure the round of patriot legislation covered everything
999322;1422670404;asciilifeform;nobody cancelled it
999323;1422670404;*;ben_vulpes recently filled out passport paperwork
999324;1422670413;mircea_popescu;oh there's that.
999325;1422670425;ben_vulpes;you gotta swear to all sortsa funny stuff
999326;1422670428;trinque;good ol enabling act
999327;1422670431;ben_vulpes;including not calling the funny stuff funny
999328;1422670456;ben_vulpes;don't call the funny stuff funny, midnightmagic, they might erect you your own gibbet
999329;1422670474;asciilifeform;that's the thing with sucking state cock, it's infinitely long
999330;1422670478;mircea_popescu;In 1981, Oscar L�pez Rivera, a Puerto Rican Nationalist and Vietnam war veteran, was convicted and sentenced to 70 years in prison for seditious conspiracy and various other offenses. He was among the 16 Puerto Rican nationalists offered conditional clemency by U.S. President Bill Clinton in 1999, but he rejected the offer. His sister, Zenaida L�pez, said he refused the offer because on parole, he would be in "prison
999331;1422670478;mircea_popescu; outside prison." L�pez Rivera is said to be "among the longest held political prisoners in the history of Puerto Rico and in the world." He has been jailed for 33 years, 8 months and 1 day.
999332;1422670481;asciilifeform;throat - finitely deep
999333;1422670482;mircea_popescu;yep, check it out.
999334;1422670520;midnightmagic;sedition has never not been a crime.
999335;1422670526;mircea_popescu;who knew the us holds the record for "longest held political prisoner"
999336;1422670537;asciilifeform;;;google treason never prospers for the reason
999337;1422670538;gribble;Treason doth never prosper, what's the reason? For if it prosper ...: <http://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/quotes/j/johnharing173129.html>; Treason - Wikiquote: <http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Treason>; John Harington (inventor) - Wikiquote: <http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/John_Harington_(inventor)>
999338;1422670542;mircea_popescu;midnightmagic you have to excuse me, i come from a jurisdiction where sedition is considered the right and proper attitude of the citizen.
999339;1422670546;mircea_popescu;and has been, for centuries.
999340;1422670562;midnightmagic;mircea_popescu: I'm not surprised by that sort of record. :( Their prison population is a disgrace to humanity.
999341;1422670563;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform quite exactly that.
999342;1422670572;*;trinque mumbles something jefferson something... sighs
999343;1422670579;ben_vulpes;nah, give up trinque
999344;1422670601;asciilifeform;at least we can take copies of 'declaration of independence' (the u.s. one, not mircea_popescu's...) to jail now
999345;1422670605;trinque;ben_vulpes: oh I have
999346;1422670611;asciilifeform;at least if 'it was not used in the commission of the crimes'
999347;1422670613;trinque;still, he said that much
999348;1422670631;asciilifeform;(as per the barrett brown sentence)
999349;1422670632;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform "he bitchslapped the officer with a large print version of the complete tax code"
999350;1422670653;asciilifeform;pretty sure complete copy would leave a man not only dead but street pizza
999351;1422670657;midnightmagic;I'm not sure but I think that non-US citizens can't be tried for treason..
999352;1422670671;mircea_popescu;midnightmagic im sure the usg thinks it can do anything it pleases.
999353;1422670720;trinque;midnightmagic: what in the fuck treason do you think you've committed by being within earshot of a discussion of history
999354;1422670753;mircea_popescu;Laura Berg, a nurse at a U.S. Department of Veterans Affairs hospital in New Mexico was investigated for sedition in September 2005 after writing a letter to the editor of a local newspaper, accusing several national leaders of criminal negligence. Though their action was later deemed unwarranted by the director of Veteran Affairs, local human resources personnel took it upon themselves to request an FBI investigation.
999355;1422670753;mircea_popescu; Ms. Berg was represented by the ACLU. Charges were dropped in 2006.
999356;1422670753;mircea_popescu;On March 28, 2010, nine members of the Hutaree militia were arrested and charged with crimes including seditious conspiracy.
999357;1422670760;mircea_popescu;apparently quite alive and kicking, as a legal device.
999358;1422670770;mircea_popescu;erryday a new reason to not want to be an usian.
999359;1422670789;asciilifeform;hutaree charges were dropped, iirc
999360;1422670810;asciilifeform;they may have been an unsuccessful 'death ray' gambit.
999361;1422670812;mircea_popescu;yeah.
999362;1422670817;asciilifeform;!s new york death ray
999363;1422670818;assbot;10 results for 'new york death ray' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=new+york+death+ray
999364;1422670822;asciilifeform;^ intro for n00bs
999365;1422670876;mircea_popescu;"Three members pled guilty to possessing a machine gun and were sentenced to time served."
999366;1422670893;asciilifeform;odd
999367;1422670899;asciilifeform;ianal, but that's a 5-year minimal
999368;1422670935;mircea_popescu;well who knows what happened thar.
999369;1422670967;mircea_popescu;ah, plea bargain.
999370;1422670991;asciilifeform;at this point one can probably 'plea bargain' to witchcraft
999371;1422670999;asciilifeform;or killing president garfield
999372;1422671038;trinque;"seditious intent"
999373;1422671047;asciilifeform;'erryday a new reason to not want to be an usian' >>>>> 'every day a new reason not to want to be dragged behind a truck until nothing remains on the rope but a flap of skin'
999374;1422671051;trinque;you know, like raping someone with your eyes
999375;1422671065;mircea_popescu;18 U.S.C. � 2384 "If two or more persons in any State or Territory, or in any place subject to the jurisdiction of the United States, conspire to overthrow, put down, or to destroy by force the Government of the United States, or to levy war against them, or to oppose by force the authority thereof, or by force to prevent, hinder, or delay the execution of any law of the United States, or by force to seize, take, or p
999376;1422671065;mircea_popescu;ossess any property of the United States contrary to the authority thereof, they shall each be fined or imprisoned not more than 20 years, or both."
999377;1422671071;mircea_popescu;immunity granted by gtfo.
999378;1422671094;mircea_popescu;"The federal government has never won a sedition case against militia-types, white supremacists, or neo-Nazis. Since World War I, they have won numerous seditious conspiracy cases against Puerto Rican independentistas, communists and others on the left, but no one on the radical right has ever been convicted of plotting to overthrow by force of arms the government of the United States."
999379;1422671095;asciilifeform;just don't sail on a flagless semi-submersible boat.
999380;1422671099;mircea_popescu;or, apparently, by not being a libertard.
999381;1422671101;asciilifeform;or work in a nuclear program
999382;1422671115;asciilifeform;these - apparently - are specifically (inverse?)extraterritorial
999383;1422671117;mircea_popescu;midnightmagic seems you're safe enough here.  careful in #gavincoin-assets tho
999384;1422671198;mircea_popescu;the above being also an interesting consideration for they who wish to argue "the libertards are in charge". pls start from that and let me hear the logic.
999385;1422671201;trinque;anyone else from the US want to piss himself publically?
999386;1422671270;asciilifeform;midnightmagic: you won't be going to jail for sedition. it'll be something more prosaic, like 'conspiracy to manufacture a controlled substance'
999387;1422671298;asciilifeform;(do you have a garage? garden shed? did you take chemistry in school? probably guilty.)
999388;1422671298;mircea_popescu;come to think of it... bitcoin not being money, not really a good... clearly it is a SUBSTANCE, right ?
999389;1422671301;mircea_popescu;it gotta be something.
999390;1422671303;mircea_popescu;so therefore...
999391;1422671317;trinque;it's economic warfare
999392;1422671325;asciilifeform;!s financial terrorism
999393;1422671326;assbot;0 results for 'financial terrorism' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=financial+terrorism
999394;1422671355;asciilifeform;http://www.dailyreckoning.com.au/bernard-von-nothaus-the-domestic-terrorist-you-can-call-a-hero/2013/09/11
999395;1422671357;assbot;Bernard von NotHaus: The 'Domestic Terrorist' You Can Call a Hero ... ( http://bit.ly/1KfjTYb )
999396;1422671357;asciilifeform;^ him
999397;1422671380;asciilifeform;�Attempts to undermine the legitimate currency of this country are simply a unique form of domestic terrorism. While these forms of anti-government activities do not involve violence, they are every bit as insidious and represent a clear and present danger to the economic stability of this country. We are determined to meet these threats through infiltration, disruption, and dismantling of organizations which seek to challen
999398;1422671380;asciilifeform;ge the legitimacy of our democratic form of government.�
999399;1422671389;asciilifeform;(prosecutor)
999400;1422671426;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform in practice what he did is not really defensible tho.
999401;1422671443;mircea_popescu;it's not much unlike someone going around trying to pass gavincoin for "real bitcoin", which we don't stand for.
999402;1422671454;asciilifeform;nothaus was a diagnosable idiot
999403;1422671459;asciilifeform;just the right candidate for 'death ray'
999404;1422671486;asciilifeform;but, interestingly, http://www.nysun.com/editorials/beyond-bernard-von-nothaus/88958
999405;1422671488;assbot;Beyond Bernard von NotHaus - The New York Sun ... ( http://bit.ly/1Ckyr9z )
999406;1422671507;trinque;;;gettrust midnightmagic
999407;1422671508;gribble;Currently authenticated from hostmask midnightmagic!~midnightm@unaffiliated/midnightmagic. Trust relationship from user trinque to user midnightmagic: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 2 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=trinque&dest=midnightmagic | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=midnightmagic | Rated since: Mon Mar  7 15:45:54 2011
999408;1422671514;mircea_popescu;We are determined to meet these threats through infiltration, disruption, and dismantling of organizations which seek to challenge the legitimacy of our democratic form of government.� << this part is the funniest, incidentally, considering the APPALLING record of usg agents trying to infiltrate a god damnd public channel so far.
999409;1422671527;trinque;I'm gonna head out; man that pissed me off
999410;1422671554;*;asciilifeform still thinks we get the discount-shelf infiltrators here
999411;1422671560;asciilifeform;srsly, e.g., mr. spam ?
999412;1422671564;mircea_popescu;nah.
999413;1422671583;mircea_popescu;horvath's just an eager idiot.
999414;1422671604;mircea_popescu;if oyu carefully read the log, you'll see a couple explicitly exposed tho.
999415;1422671614;asciilifeform;i remember the dude from ro
999416;1422671626;mircea_popescu;such lol
999417;1422671630;mircea_popescu;anyway, off to eat brb
999418;1422671971;BingoBoingo;So who what's to test qntra's new, more modern CSS?
999419;1422672030;hanbot;that sucks.
999420;1422672031;asciilifeform;blocks=183670 bastards=23739 peak=206M
999421;1422672042;asciilifeform;pogo: 187845
999422;1422672195;asciilifeform;inference, with only a small leap, is that orphanage-burner testatron would have oomkilled precisely one time, had it ran under 128M constraint
999423;1422672228;asciilifeform;the logical thing to do, for it, would be to jettison the entire orphanage if approaching the hard limit
999424;1422672244;asciilifeform;this would require replacement of allocator (as suggested in thread from 2 days ago)
999425;1422672287;asciilifeform;who the hell writes a program as hungry as this, that is entirely unaware of its own resource consumption and lacks any feedback mechanism ?
999426;1422672309;*;asciilifeform knows how/why but still bewildered that no one has at any point seen it fit to bolt on basic sanity
999427;1422672312;hanbot;disk space doubles every runtime.
999428;1422672338;asciilifeform;hanbot: figure in question is ram footprint
999429;1422672351;hanbot;that triples.
999430;1422672389;asciilifeform;not in the experimental 'orphanage burner' build
999431;1422672408;hanbot;are you contradicting internet economists?
999432;1422672413;asciilifeform;l0lz
999433;1422672451;hanbot;for the record, i deeply enjoyed the sedition discussion. i vote for asciilifeform as most likely to sedite.
999434;1422672477;*;asciilifeform hoists jolly roger: http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2015-January/000038.html
999435;1422672477;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1Kfln4D )
999436;1422672494;asciilifeform;^ also happens to explain the memory thing
999437;1422672628;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes et al: happen to remember what block height was at the time 0.5.3 was current? if this is in the log, i have utterly failed to find it
999438;1422672844;ben_vulpes;asciilifeform: dude from ro?
999439;1422672964;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 74500 @ 0.00040996 = 30.542 BTC [-] {2} 
999440;1422672971;ben_vulpes;* asciilifeform [] knows how/why but still bewildered that no one has at any point seen it fit to bolt on basic sanity << features, bro
999441;1422673022;ben_vulpes;asciilifeform: "block height" << excellent question
999442;1422673138;ben_vulpes;"git" shows sun march 11 2012 as last commit at ref tagged as v0.5.3
999443;1422673138;mircea_popescu;0.5.3 was march-ish 2012. about 170k
999444;1422673157;mircea_popescu;nah pretty sure it was spring.
999445;1422673172;ben_vulpes;march *is* spring
999446;1422673201;mircea_popescu;o nm i read the 11th as a month
999447;1422673202;mircea_popescu;march yes.
999448;1422673232;mircea_popescu;<asciilifeform> the logical thing to do, for it, would be to jettison the entire orphanage if approaching the hard limit << this may be a good idea, if actually something's needed.
999449;1422673269;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 56050 @ 0.00040626 = 22.7709 BTC [-]
999450;1422673331;asciilifeform;needs replacement std::allocator - proggy is not normally aware of own footprint
999451;1422673369;mircea_popescu;myeah.
999452;1422673402;*;ben_vulpes just observed an interesting
999453;1422673415;asciilifeform;even if for some peculiar reason it were not possible to reduce consumption, the thing ought to know when about to be killed - and shoot itself in the head with some decorum, rather than wait
999454;1422673467;ben_vulpes;toolbox on the table has a top tray and a bottom tray, connected by parallel braces, mounted at identically-spaced points on both trays. trays move on an arc defined by mechanisms constraints.
999455;1422673492;*;asciilifeform has one of these
999456;1422673523;ben_vulpes;there's an interesting configuration of the trays where the center of gravity of the top tray is balances the CoG of the bottom tray. this requires torquing the whole assembly such that the CoG's go in a funny place.
999457;1422673579;hanbot;ben_vulpes it's a trap!
999458;1422673601;mircea_popescu;vulpes is home alone and trying to find alternative passtimes to masturbation.
999459;1422673613;ben_vulpes;resulting in the thing resting at the unstable point at the top of the arc.
999460;1422673631;ben_vulpes;i'd post a pic but...le "smart"phone.
999461;1422673671;ben_vulpes;anyways, the parallels between how bitcoind only accidentally works and misc odd behaviors of this ancient floppy plastic toolbox are very apparent to me at precisely this moment.
999462;1422673710;ben_vulpes;a thing i learned about engineering when i was...oh, six...was that the steam engine doesn't just work because doodz sat and tweaked at it until everything went around just rightly.
999463;1422673711;ben_vulpes;no
999464;1422673720;ben_vulpes;someone *designed* each and every mechanism to work together.
999465;1422673736;ben_vulpes;if you'll forgive the rant, this is what the satoshi codebase lacks.
999466;1422673770;ben_vulpes;a coherent vision of how all of the parts interact, the emergent behaviors of the system and a robustish bit of software that can make sense of the system.
999467;1422673813;mircea_popescu;dude.
999468;1422673815;mircea_popescu;it's a prototype.
999469;1422673826;mircea_popescu;it was never seriously supposed to work, and it was specifically not intended to be used.
999470;1422673830;mircea_popescu;but... "the community"
999471;1422673890;ben_vulpes;once it worked, though, it was doomed to work.
999472;1422673895;ben_vulpes;"software never fails", and so on.
999473;1422673897;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform well actually, the thing could just look at how much memory it can allocate and then never outpace it.
999474;1422673914;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes yeah.
999475;1422673942;ben_vulpes;kinda fascinating
999476;1422673982;ben_vulpes;it's almost as though the satoshi codebase were a projection of software that knows how to talk to the one! true! bitcoin protocol.
999477;1422674016;mircea_popescu;something simple like, "whenever a parentless block is handed over the retaining of which would cause memory pool for holding parentless blocks to be overrun, a) drop the handed block ; b) close the connection and ban that peer for half hour ; c) discard all chains of parentless blocks longer than six items ; d) connect again"
999478;1422674030;mircea_popescu;!up teek
999479;1422674078;ben_vulpes;should really ask for specific blocks and drop all unasked for
999480;1422674100;mircea_popescu;this ensures that trying to ram-dos the node would require as many different nodes as a fifth of the total number of blocks it can hold.
999481;1422674113;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes that's not how this works tho
999482;1422674140;ben_vulpes;pardon?
999483;1422674143;ben_vulpes;mircea_popescu: pardon?
999484;1422674149;mircea_popescu;you don't ask for bloicks
999485;1422674226;ben_vulpes;inv cannot be used for block retrieval?
999486;1422674241;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: straight to jurov's www
999487;1422674245;mircea_popescu;yeh
999488;1422674249;asciilifeform;http://btc.yt/lxr/satoshi/source/src/main.cpp?v=0.5.3.1
999489;1422674250;assbot;Satoshi 0.5.3.1/src/main.cpp ... ( http://bit.ly/1A9q3cd )
999490;1422674260;asciilifeform;incidentally
999491;1422674268;asciilifeform;the testatron just now outpaced the 'pogo.'
999492;1422674290;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform btw, you're writing me a letter right ?
999493;1422674294;asciilifeform;yes.
999494;1422674794;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 92785 @ 0.00041141 = 38.1727 BTC [+]
999495;1422675010;hanbot;friendly reminder to not go to the library horny: http://www.inquisitr.com/1802797/kendra-sunderland-admits-to-filming-library-sex-video/
999496;1422675012;assbot;Kendra Sunderland Admits To Filming Library Sex Video ... ( http://bit.ly/1yOZxyb )
999497;1422675053;mircea_popescu;is she the short sweet ass ?
999498;1422675139;hanbot;i dunno anything about her ass other than it being in the wrong jurisdiction
999499;1422675213;mircea_popescu;http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-Z_FoybKuEX4/U5kM8U4ojmI/AAAAAAAAE3Q/aEy-LTb80Wc/s1600/steph-kegels-library-cam-1.gif
999500;1422675214;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1yP0rLh )
999501;1422675214;mircea_popescu;her.
999502;1422675304;mircea_popescu;best library slut so far.
999503;1422675317;hanbot;nah, apparently that one wasn't indecent enough for a year of jail
999504;1422675343;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6850 @ 0.00041625 = 2.8513 BTC [+]
999505;1422675382;mircea_popescu;she takes it pretty far, eventually is all naked
999506;1422675391;mircea_popescu;clearly enjoying herself too, which goes a long way
999507;1422675412;cazalla;i remember seeing that and thinking surely it's staged
999508;1422675427;mircea_popescu;doubt it.
999509;1422675436;mircea_popescu;the budgets these girls make work...
999510;1422675831;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 70971 @ 0.00043627 = 30.9625 BTC [+] {3} 
999511;1422675855;BingoBoingo;davout: How is the new Qntra mobile experience?
999512;1422675917;TomServo;BingoBoingo: Looking very nice over here.
999513;1422675929;BingoBoingo;TomServo: Thanks.
999514;1422676254;cazalla;wow, they fkn locked the fork off thread because hey.. can't have actual blocksize increase discussion can you.. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=919629.0
999515;1422676255;assbot;Fork off ... ( http://bit.ly/1LtsZ75 )
999516;1422676320;mircea_popescu;lolwut
999517;1422676329;decimation;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=30-01-2015#998153 << solution: only signed packets get to initiate transactions on your node?
999518;1422676329;assbot;Logged on 30-01-2015 05:39:06; asciilifeform: likewise, the orphans thing is an easy ddos vector
999519;1422676524;decimation;lolz "Implicit in the the nature of the location an the assertion of the police station being a "safe space" for conducting commerce is that this location open 24 hours a day and 7 days per week is under constant surveillance." << http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-01-2015#979013
999520;1422676524;assbot;Logged on 16-01-2015 04:45:31; mircea_popescu: you're stuck hiding in your gated compound from imaginary niggers.
999521;1422676594;mircea_popescu;heh
999522;1422676968;decimation;I like that line, because it summarizes the activity of about 90% of the american 'security state'
999523;1422676990;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 47700 @ 0.00041625 = 19.8551 BTC [-]
999524;1422677077;trinque;mobile qntra looks great!
999525;1422677142;BingoBoingo;Thanks
999526;1422677417;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 100982 @ 0.00042291 = 42.7063 BTC [+] {2} 
999527;1422677423;asciilifeform;https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=919629.msg10295619#msg10295619 << mega-lol
999528;1422677424;assbot;Fork off ... ( http://bit.ly/1uKXNph )
999529;1422677442;asciilifeform;so -that- was the 'run into the ground' thing
999530;1422677471;*;asciilifeform was never able to read the phorum for more than a few min. at a stretch
999531;1422677489;decimation;!rate midnightmagic 1 is not a seditionist
999532;1422677489;assbot;Request successful, get your OTP: http://w.b-a.link/otp/8e94f27ac151c909
999533;1422677627;asciilifeform;'Any more information on this? The fact that he is secretly building 10k nodes on a network with 7k active nodes and dropping is a concern in itself and makes me want to support Gavin's hardfork even more so.'
999534;1422677631;*;asciilifeform chokes from lulz
999535;1422677736;BingoBoingo;!b 2
999536;1422677737;assbot;Last 2 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/3FEMWNP.txt )
999537;1422677784;decimation;asciilifeform: you are a seditionist apparently
999538;1422677802;asciilifeform;how classy
999539;1422677808;decimation;why didn't you bring your concerns to the community so they can try and find a solution together?
999540;1422677815;decimation;voice, not exit
999541;1422677825;asciilifeform;and here i was, thinking i'll have to hang for jaywalking
999542;1422678002;asciilifeform;'Gavin's testing of 20MB blocks shows that loading (disk io) for these is 4x faster than 20 1MB blocks.' << did someone actually make this argument ?
999543;1422678021;asciilifeform;disk readahead caches, etc. evidently never happened?
999544;1422678027;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21819 @ 0.00043956 = 9.5908 BTC [+]
999545;1422678030;*;asciilifeform must have awakened in parallel universe
999546;1422678038;BingoBoingo;New Speak
999547;1422678049;decimation;asciilifeform: how can 20 MB 'load' faster than 20 MB?
999548;1422678067;BingoBoingo;Also for inquirers into the new qntra bsns http://validator.w3.org/unicorn/check?ucn_uri=qntra.net&doctype=Inline&charset=%28detect%20automatically%29&ucn_task=conformance#
999549;1422678070;assbot;Result for http://qntra.net ... ( http://bit.ly/1uKZgfq )
999550;1422678077;asciilifeform;decimation: fragmentation & seek penalty on ancient mechanical drives ?
999551;1422678099;asciilifeform;decimation: plus an obligatory helping of os brain damage
999552;1422678106;decimation;I guess.  Like is he literally comparing fread(20MB) vs 20x fread(1MB)?
999553;1422678117;asciilifeform;assuming there was any actual comparison
999554;1422678148;asciilifeform;they sure don't make lying sc4mz0rz like they used to.
999555;1422678206;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: It used to be they couldn't fake as many
999556;1422678214;decimation;well, apparently no one can inspect anything at the layer below 'libc'
999557;1422678280;asciilifeform;forget the source; evidently, books - do not exist
999558;1422678330;Apocalyptic;<cazalla> wow, they fkn locked the fork off thread because hey.. can't have actual blocksize increase discussion can you.. // this is outrageous, but not unexpected
999559;1422678338;BingoBoingo;Books are for those with a Book budget
999560;1422678362;asciilifeform;or a set of legs
999561;1422678371;asciilifeform;libraries - not banned yet
999562;1422678379;asciilifeform;(though it is being worked on)
999563;1422678393;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 53221 @ 0.00041346 = 22.0048 BTC [-] {2} 
999564;1422678438;decimation;asciilifeform: most 'modern' libraries have slowly self-banned books
999565;1422678454;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7650 @ 0.00040859 = 3.1257 BTC [-]
999566;1422678455;mircea_popescu;<asciilifeform> so -that- was << myeah lel.
999567;1422678457;decimation;they are 'too expensive', and generally disfavored over other 'media' and 'meeting spaces'
999568;1422678470;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: But using legs option for the book budget costs time other wise spent in the Herp pile
999569;1422678496;asciilifeform;laugh if you will, but i'm still trying to apprehend what it is 'most people' actually -do- with their time
999570;1422678509;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform> "makes me want to" clearly the intensity of desire is related to the effectuality of results.
999571;1422678511;decimation;derp on irc?
999572;1422678512;mircea_popescu;(law of attraction)
999573;1422678516;asciilifeform;just how many hours can one wank in one sitting
999574;1422678531;mircea_popescu;depends if they touch the wiener or not.
999575;1422678535;mircea_popescu;if they don't... many.
999576;1422678542;asciilifeform;doesn't sound like much fun
999577;1422678560;BingoBoingo;I believe the technical term is "Circlejerk" as in formally with a bunch of fellows sitting around a bottle of lube they all Herp their Derp
999578;1422678681;BingoBoingo;https://i.imgur.com/3OLI0Kx.gif
999579;1422678684;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1tIjPOa )
999580;1422678807;mircea_popescu;decimation> I guess.  Like is he literally comparing fread(20MB) vs 20x fread(1MB)? << the guy's technical incompetence is not just amusing in itself,
999581;1422678816;mircea_popescu;but in what it reveals of teh retarded follower set.
999582;1422678828;mircea_popescu;maybe they should want really hard for fread to act differently ?
999583;1422678844;asciilifeform;oughta phone poettering.
999584;1422678848;asciilifeform;he'll help.
999585;1422678869;mircea_popescu;where was that bit about ls implementations that take less than half the ram are fat shaming and therefore not allowed ?
999586;1422678896;asciilifeform;was it dan mocsny?
999587;1422678916;asciilifeform;i definitely recall he was 'advocating' for 'diversity' in petri dishes, in every lab!!!11!! in one post
999588;1422678922;mircea_popescu;nah some recently linked spoof of feministos
999589;1422678966;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo dude those rats are fucking adorkable.
999590;1422678983;asciilifeform;as with many idiocies, this one may be approaching 'parody event horizon' where the reality is not readily distinguishable from the spoof world
999591;1422678991;mircea_popescu;right.
999592;1422678991;cazalla;aaand gavin appears in the new blocksize thread after previous one was locked https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=941331.msg10315826#msg10315826
999593;1422678991;assbot;Bitcoin 20MB Fork ... ( http://bit.ly/1uL12NC )
999594;1422678993;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: Seriously
999595;1422679006;mircea_popescu;cazalla lol they made a new one without all the inconvenient stuff in it ?
999596;1422679016;mircea_popescu;why does gavin behave exactly like a cheap forum scammor ?
999597;1422679036;cazalla;i guess OP might've locked the first one but who really knows
999598;1422679040;mircea_popescu;is it perhaps because the path of evil is really quite narrow ? funel shaped at first, line thin six months later ?
999599;1422679041;BingoBoingo;https://github.com/The-Feminist-Software-Foundation/ToleranUX << The Inclusive not *nix
999600;1422679043;assbot;The-Feminist-Software-Foundation/ToleranUX · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1uL16Ne )
999601;1422679095;danielpbarron;"The video was leaked by either another student on the OSU campus, or another web cam model from Romania." << from the naked library video thing
999602;1422679115;danielpbarron;the "fork off" thread looks like it was closed by railzand https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=919629.msg10303614#msg10303614
999603;1422679116;assbot;Fork off ... ( http://bit.ly/1tIl7sz )
999604;1422679122;mircea_popescu;"If bitcoin costs 4 dollars to teleport "virtual gold" , I'm going to switch to an alt that can allow me to teleport another form of "virtual gold" for a couple pennies."
999605;1422679126;mircea_popescu;thjat part was pretty good.
999606;1422679151;mircea_popescu;if the world were signficiantly impacted by people whose choices are governed by the difference between 4 bux and "pennies", we could just burn it, for it failed.
999607;1422679168;mircea_popescu;no wonder he eats shit. i've yet to see food at 4 dollars.
999608;1422679178;cazalla;BingoBoingo, is that FSF a good troll or what?
999609;1422679189;BingoBoingo;It is indeed a good troll
999610;1422679194;decimation;what about the poor russian family who was trying to move 50 bux?
999611;1422679207;mircea_popescu;i dunno, how about the wife starts camming ?
999612;1422679233;BingoBoingo;decimation: Their optimal solution was actually using Western Union and him buying BTC in Russia where the liwuidity is
999613;1422679247;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27350 @ 0.00040859 = 11.1749 BTC [-]
999614;1422679255;mircea_popescu;lmao & gavin
999615;1422679257;mircea_popescu;"I think we should target somebody with a "pretty good" computer and a "pretty good" home internet connection."
999616;1422679257;scoopbot;New post on Trilema by Mircea Popescu: http://trilema.com/2015/you-are-poor-lolz/
999617;1422679264;mircea_popescu;BECAUSE ACCESSIBILITY DRIVES ADOPTION!!!1
999618;1422679279;mircea_popescu;the logic of logical logicians, also internet economists and generally stupid fat people.
999619;1422679281;*;asciilifeform goes to buy a Pretty Good Computer
999620;1422679291;asciilifeform;do they still have those.
999621;1422679305;BingoBoingo;Pogo is pretty good computer
999622;1422679308;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 113650 @ 0.00040657 = 46.2067 BTC [-]
999623;1422679314;asciilifeform;l0l
999624;1422679322;asciilifeform;seems like BingoBoingo has not tried it yet
999625;1422679323;BingoBoingo;Or at least somewhat adequate computer for a fifth of cheap whiskey
999626;1422679350;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform i think the girl contributing to the computer community over at best buy would go "do you want good or do you want pretty ?"
999627;1422679355;BingoBoingo;I have not tried it, but it seems like the most computer you can get for the equivalent of a fifth of Evan Williams
999628;1422679360;*;asciilifeform realized that BingoBoingo could actually get vga on that thing, if he wanted, using one of the ubiquitous usb2 framebuffer boxes
999629;1422679367;BingoBoingo;Indeed
999630;1422679403;BingoBoingo;And qntra is now VGA friendly-er for readers
999631;1422679439;asciilifeform;http://h30094.www3.hp.com/product/sku/3967421
999632;1422679444;assbot;            HP USB Graphics Adapter - USB video cards - HP: NL571AA                             ... ( http://bit.ly/1uL1XgT )
999633;1422679444;*;asciilifeform ^ has bag of these
999634;1422679479;mircea_popescu;"Hello, My name is Manikanteswar, Business Executive Media Buying for Capslock Digital Solutions Pvt Ltd (www.capslocknetwork.com), one of the biggest upcoming Ad Network in the Industry.  I'm contacting you as we are looking for inventory like yours and we are ready to discuss the terms of a very profitable partnership. "
999635;1422679484;mircea_popescu;cazalla you folks got one of these ?
999636;1422679493;asciilifeform;http://cateee.net/lkddb/web-lkddb/FB_UDL.html << driver
999637;1422679494;assbot;Linux Kernel Driver DataBase: CONFIG_FB_UDL: Displaylink USB Framebuffer support ... ( http://bit.ly/1uL28ZA )
999638;1422679544;cazalla;mircea_popescu, nope
999639;1422679577;mircea_popescu;hm i guess im speshul
999640;1422679651;cazalla;BingoBoingo has made room for adverts on the left/right side of qntra so we're ready for gaw miners adverts though
999641;1422679679;mircea_popescu;lol
999642;1422679694;BingoBoingo;cazalla: Actually I dunno how to fill those spaces. I just made em. No idea how to fill them.
999643;1422679696;mircea_popescu;i dun think qntra is advertising huh.
999644;1422679769;decimation;asciilifeform: do you (safely) examine the various malware turds that end up in your domain mailbox?
999645;1422679770;BingoBoingo;Well, eventually is possible for some levels of eventually. We just need companies to emerge which would find advertising on qntra an economic proposition.
999646;1422679784;decimation;I suspect one can learn much about malware by putting out a few honeypots
999647;1422679784;asciilifeform;decimation: occasionally
999648;1422679794;asciilifeform;decimation: not long ago, i did this for a living.
999649;1422679796;decimation;or just rain buckets
999650;1422679823;asciilifeform;it wasn't just from one spambox of course.
999651;1422679844;decimation;I would guess that most malware is trivally derived from some toolkit
999652;1422679860;asciilifeform;80-90% of what i saw was a variation on some very tired theme.
999653;1422679870;asciilifeform;at least half the time - 'zeus' et al.
999654;1422679921;mircea_popescu;"It's hard to take any of his thoughts seriously when he says stuff like 'libertard', which isn't clear what that has to do with his main point, or if he means retarded liberal or libertarian."
999655;1422679944;mircea_popescu; /r/anarcho-stuff does not like me because it is not directly clear what side of a meaningless debate i favor!
999656;1422680074;decimation;in theory, a libertarian is in favor of freedom from the state, but in practice they generally find themselves to be enslaved by statist liberals
999657;1422680098;mircea_popescu;but notice the guy who essentially says, "i can not eat this butter because it doesn't come in a properly labelled box"
999658;1422680124;mircea_popescu;i have seen this irl, incidentally. lots of traditional products come in no box. such as smoked trout in pine leaf, or a certain type of cheese in pine bark
999659;1422680126;mircea_popescu;or on it goes.
999660;1422680142;mircea_popescu;i personally loathe labels and take them off pretty much everything, but apparently the converse mental condition also exists.
999661;1422680149;asciilifeform;srsly ?!!
999662;1422680151;mircea_popescu;"you're really good but we can't hire you because no diploma"
999663;1422680153;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform yes ?
999664;1422680157;asciilifeform;diploma - sure
999665;1422680158;asciilifeform;cheese?
999666;1422680172;mircea_popescu;yep. you need nothing more than your own fucking nose to distinguish cheese.
999667;1422680201;asciilifeform;i was having this dispute with pet not long ago. whether anyone voluntarily eats synthetic cheese
999668;1422680221;mircea_popescu;;;google brinza de burduf in scoarta de brad
999669;1422680221;asciilifeform;it finds its way into spots where its presence cannot be explained by mere pauperism
999670;1422680222;gribble;Bucegi Farm: <http://www.ferma-bucegi.ro/en/>; Ferma Bucegi: Branza de Burduf in coaja de brad: <http://www.ferma-bucegi.ro/>; Branza de burduf - YouTube: <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZQzXWyxNmxo>
999671;1422680231;asciilifeform;some folks, it appears, actually insist on it
999672;1422680240;asciilifeform;through childhood habit, brain damage, or some other cause
999673;1422680256;mircea_popescu;http://www.informal.ro/wp-content/uploads/2009/09/burduf-3.jpg << this guy
999674;1422680257;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1uL3MKH )
999675;1422680264;asciilifeform;incidentally (non-u.s. folks) if you visit usa and are offered 'american cheese' - run, not walk, to exit
999676;1422680286;decimation;asciilifeform: you wouldn't prefer a slice of 'velveeta' to a block of cheddar of known provenance?
999677;1422680301;asciilifeform;'velveeta' iirc isn't even a dairy product
999678;1422680302;asciilifeform;100% petro
999679;1422680325;BingoBoingo;<asciilifeform> 'velveeta' iirc isn't even a dairy product << Velveeta is totally a dairy byproduct
999680;1422680331;mircea_popescu;hm... i wonder how good of an anal lube it makes.
999681;1422680332;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: what's that made in? a pipe ?
999682;1422680338;decimation;nah I think it has milk in it
999683;1422680350;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform it's a chunk of pine bark
999684;1422680358;asciilifeform;neato
999685;1422680361;*;asciilifeform wants
999686;1422680388;decimation;"In 2002, the FDA issued a Warning Letter to Kraft that Velveeta was being sold with packaging that described it as a "Pasteurized Process Cheese Spread",[8] which the FDA claimed was misbranded because the product declared milk protein concentrate (MPC) in its ingredients listing. Velveeta is now sold in the US as a "Pasteurized Prepared Cheese Product",[9] a term for which the FDA does not maintain a standard of identity, and which
999687;1422680389;decimation;therefore may contain MPC."
999688;1422680410;asciilifeform;i've also seen term 'cheese food'
999689;1422680434;decimation;now, I doubt cheetos contain any actual cheese
999690;1422680446;BingoBoingo;Cheese food is a plentiful byproduct here.
999691;1422680521;decimation;I prefer a good sharp cheddar from the southwest uk
999692;1422680538;trinque;what's the opposite of eugenics?
999693;1422680542;trinque;that's what kraft is
999694;1422680567;asciilifeform;;;ud cruft
999695;1422680567;gribble;http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=cruft | cruft. 1. The dust that gathers underneath a bed, 2. Shoddily constructed or made, 3. Bad code, 4. Accumulated physical or virtual junk. Jim had to spend several ...
999696;1422680582;trinque;anyone who thinks that's food is being slowly turned into a subspecies over the generations
999697;1422680582;asciilifeform;^ specifically the substance that gathers in mice, keyboards
999698;1422680589;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 150795 @ 0.00041315 = 62.301 BTC [+] {2} 
999699;1422680648;trinque;ah dysgenics, makes sense
999700;1422680657;BingoBoingo;The greatest crime of American cheese is that it is radically overpriced as a nutritional measure of last resort.
999701;1422680699;cazalla;BingoBoingo, turn your adblocker off qntra.net and tell me what you think.. http://i.imgur.com/TW5xwBD.png
999702;1422680701;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1tIqBna )
999703;1422680711;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 199700 @ 0.00042386 = 84.6448 BTC [+] {3} 
999704;1422680746;trinque;paybase...walmart...bahahhaha
999705;1422680753;BingoBoingo;cazalla: That shoop must've taken time
999706;1422680812;cazalla;5m if that
999707;1422680841;BingoBoingo;Well it demonstrates there is space.
999708;1422680914;trinque;I'd rather you do the trilema thing than put ads
999709;1422680936;BingoBoingo;Prolly not shooped https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/2u93qq/gaw_cloud_mining_disabled/
999710;1422680939;assbot;GAW Cloud Mining Disabled : Bitcoin ... ( http://bit.ly/1tIrlbS )
999711;1422680939;BingoBoingo;;;bc,stats
999712;1422680943;gribble;Current Blocks: 341257 | Current Difficulty: 4.127287389469702E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 342719 | Next Difficulty In: 1462 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 3 days, 16 hours, 7 minutes, and 0 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 44653742846.3 | Estimated Percent Change: 8.1915
999713;1422681109;BingoBoingo;trinque: There is an adspace we tested before. Just a square in the sidebar. The right offer could either get it back or banish it for some time.
999714;1422681140;trinque;yeah that works
999715;1422681199;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 102647 @ 0.00044132 = 45.3002 BTC [+]
999716;1422683023;danielpbarron;asciilifeform, http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=vKR5rzTB << am i supposed to have installed boost?
999717;1422683024;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1A9Lvhj )
999718;1422683097;danielpbarron;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=28-01-2015#995064
999719;1422683097;assbot;Logged on 28-01-2015 05:48:29; asciilifeform: 1) nixed zlib. it isn't used in bitcoin! it was demanded by demented fucktarded 'boost' > 1.53, iirc (won't even let you cut it off)
999720;1422683151;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 147565 @ 0.00043983 = 64.9035 BTC [-] {4} 
999721;1422683223;asciilifeform;danielpbarron: didja miss the part about -cross- compiling
999722;1422683226;danielpbarron;;;later tell GunPlay get in #bitcoin-assets (hide your ip first)
999723;1422683227;gribble;The operation succeeded.
999724;1422683237;asciilifeform;build on actual computer.
999725;1422683249;danielpbarron;lol
999726;1422683253;danielpbarron;whoops
999727;1422683263;asciilifeform;danielpbarron: see http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2015-January/000033.html
999728;1422683263;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1A9M62D )
999729;1422683278;asciilifeform;don't need to install anything but the compiler & associated binutils.
999730;1422683285;asciilifeform;(under gentoo, single command)
999731;1422683301;asciilifeform;then download tarballs (you don't have to use the same ones i did, necessarily)
999732;1422683354;asciilifeform;recipe in comments in sh script.
999733;1422683405;asciilifeform;oh and avoid sd card for blockchain. it is terrible, no good, unusably slow
999734;1422683446;danielpbarron;i got a ssd sata drive, a 5400 rpm laptop thing, and a usb3 flashdrive  to test
999735;1422683822;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11853 @ 0.00043815 = 5.1934 BTC [-]
999736;1422684005;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 80500 @ 0.00042611 = 34.3019 BTC [-]
999737;1422684221;mod6;;;ticker
999738;1422684222;gribble;Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 228.0, Best ask: 228.1, Bid-ask spread: 0.10000, Last trade: 228.05, 24 hour volume: 18587.89257310, 24 hour low: 225.52, 24 hour high: 244.98, 24 hour vwap: 233.253251665
999739;1422684554;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 108800 @ 0.00041505 = 45.1574 BTC [-] {2} 
999740;1422684578;mod6;$vwap s.mpoe
999741;1422684605;*;mod6 looks around
999742;1422685117;mircea_popescu;<trinque> what's the opposite of eugenics? << cacogenics i'd imagine.
999743;1422685154;mircea_popescu;<cazalla> BingoBoingo, turn your adblocker off qntra.net and tell me what you think.. http://i.imgur.com/TW5xwBD.png << dude wtf is that.
999744;1422685156;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1tIqBna )
999745;1422685274;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: He shooped it. Mock up of how we'd look decked out like some other sites...
999746;1422685284;mircea_popescu;ah k
999747;1422685288;mircea_popescu;gave me a start
999748;1422685469;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 132781 @ 0.00042987 = 57.0786 BTC [+]
999749;1422685678;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: If he actually dicked with the precarious balance where we don't look like shit on mobile... I'da had some stronger words
999750;1422685817;BingoBoingo;I just can't wait for someone to dig up the shoop in 2 years and be like "Qntra advertised GAW" which will of course be refuted by the lol'ing here
999751;1422685835;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 130200 @ 0.00043422 = 56.5354 BTC [+]
999752;1422685854;BingoBoingo;!up pete_dushenski
999753;1422685866;pete_dushenski;heyo amigo
999754;1422685884;BingoBoingo;Hey, pete_dushenski You given the new look Qntra a try?
999755;1422685895;*;pete_dushenski checking now
999756;1422685918;pete_dushenski;lol um... new?
999757;1422685924;BingoBoingo;pete_dushenski: Check on mobile too.
999758;1422685946;BingoBoingo;But yeah, we also now gently suggest fonts your browser could use...
999759;1422686010;pete_dushenski;aic
999760;1422686024;pete_dushenski;ya i suppose the fonts are a little different
999761;1422686043;pete_dushenski;cool i guess
999762;1422686116;BingoBoingo;And the menus go to full width when kicked to the bottom on the mobile stuff. Iteration...
999763;1422686139;BingoBoingo;Also there's an easter egg in the stylesheet text.
999764;1422686170;pete_dushenski;hey ya not bad
999765;1422686256;BingoBoingo;For the next time I have to link someone the stylesheet because they don't believe it exists.
999766;1422686262;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35419 @ 0.00043367 = 15.3602 BTC [-]
999767;1422686292;pete_dushenski;lol
999768;1422686304;pete_dushenski;i'll get you next time, batman!
999769;1422686321;cazalla;mircea_popescu, lol trolled hard
999770;1422686323;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 238608 @ 0.00040534 = 96.7174 BTC [-] {7} 
999771;1422686333;mircea_popescu;totally
999772;1422686445;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 39400 @ 0.0003976 = 15.6654 BTC [-]
999773;1422686446;BingoBoingo;The whole site even validates as latest greatest while still working on actual browsers http://validator.w3.org/unicorn/check?ucn_uri=qntra.net&doctype=Inline&charset=%28detect%20automatically%29&ucn_task=conformance#
999774;1422686449;assbot;Result for http://qntra.net ... ( http://bit.ly/1A9SVB7 )
999775;1422686471;pete_dushenski;    "errors" : "Warning: The network does not appear to fully agree! Some miners appear to be experiencing issues." << huh
999776;1422686473;BingoBoingo;Even though W3c sucks
999777;1422686476;cazalla;for anyone not in the know, BingoBoingo's work was born of google complaining about our mobile site
999778;1422686507;pete_dushenski;wait, google bitched and you listened?
999779;1422686539;BingoBoingo;pete_dushenski: Only listened because they were straight forward and not passive aggressive this time.
999780;1422686603;pete_dushenski;a sent you an email or something?
999781;1422686620;mircea_popescu;bitcoin went to safe mode ?
999782;1422686652;BingoBoingo;<pete_dushenski> a sent you an email or something? << They indeed did
999783;1422686695;pete_dushenski;mircea_popescu: mebbe ?
999784;1422686708;BingoBoingo;;;bc,stats
999785;1422686712;gribble;Current Blocks: 341263 | Current Difficulty: 4.127287389469702E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 342719 | Next Difficulty In: 1456 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 4 days, 0 hours, 43 minutes, and 38 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 44219270086.5 | Estimated Percent Change: 7.13882
999786;1422686717;midnightmagic;trinque: I'm not from the US, dumbass.
999787;1422686746;cazalla;midnightmagic, shots fired! oh.. hang on a sec
999788;1422686768;mircea_popescu;davout: kakobrekla: dat true << yeh namechanging sucks.
999789;1422686781;mircea_popescu;midnightmagic i was not gonna say anything.
999790;1422686817;midnightmagic;s/dumbass//
999791;1422686829;pete_dushenski;that was the error msg from my toy vps node running 0.9.0.3
999792;1422686846;pete_dushenski;still loading the chain actually. 2 days later at block : 322082
999793;1422686850;mircea_popescu;pete_dushenski generally bitcoind goes into safe mode if it has a bad chain etc. proilly corrupted local data.
999794;1422686873;pete_dushenski;hm
999795;1422686895;midnightmagic;mircea_popescu: apologies to you for my uncivil language.
999796;1422686931;mircea_popescu;form's never much of a big deal.
999797;1422686940;midnightmagic;k
999798;1422686941;pete_dushenski;mircea_popescu: the resolution to safe mode being ... ?
999799;1422686946;trinque;my butt's not hurt
999800;1422686971;mircea_popescu;pete_dushenski well the nuclear solution is wipe chain start sync over.
999801;1422686977;mircea_popescu;if it dun go away of its own volition
999802;1422686990;pete_dushenski;ok i'll give it some time
999803;1422686990;mircea_popescu;but look in debug.log see wtf.
999804;1422687049;mircea_popescu;jurov: yes. but if we put in expected difficulty instead of checkpoints << he actually has a very solid point.
999805;1422687077;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform if you feel like testing a 3rd approach, can you look through orphanage for % of blocks more than 10% off the difficulty ?
999806;1422687234;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform: would be more economical to simply chop the connection << yup, that's why b) is in http://log.b-a.link/?date=31-01-2015#999477
999807;1422687234;assbot;Logged on 31-01-2015 03:13:36; mircea_popescu: something simple like, "whenever a parentless block is handed over the retaining of which would cause memory pool for holding parentless blocks to be overrun, a) drop the handed block ; b) close the connection and ban that peer for half hour ; c) discard all chains of parentless blocks longer than six items ; d) connect again"
999808;1422687350;pete_dushenski;: Cannot obtain a lock on data directory /root/.bitcoin. Bitcoin Core is probably already running.
999809;1422687382;mircea_popescu;well so stop one.
999810;1422687385;pete_dushenski;then it shut itself down
999811;1422687441;pete_dushenski;i thought this would be a good training wheels program before tackling 0.5.3 ...
999812;1422687485;pete_dushenski;but clearly the supermagickuserfriendly core is a turd so i might as well just go for the real deal
999813;1422687487;mircea_popescu;"6. You are finished. Breath easy, and live your life in peace knowing you will never have to deal with us again."
999814;1422687515;mircea_popescu;lmao this is the eve online "protection" scam irl ?! by teenagers with about the same linguistic ability ?
999815;1422687518;mircea_popescu;neat.
999816;1422687569;BingoBoingo;<mircea_popescu> lmao this is the eve online "protection" scam irl ?! by teenagers with about the same linguistic ability ? << wHERE?
999817;1422687665;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6650 @ 0.00039747 = 2.6432 BTC [-] {2} 
999818;1422687680;mircea_popescu;http://qntra.net/2015/01/police-warn-bitcoin-extortion-letter-recipients-not-to-pay/#comment-8815
999819;1422687681;assbot;Police Warn Bitcoin Extortion Letter Recipients Not To Pay | Qntra.net ... ( http://bit.ly/1A9VrHx )
999820;1422687705;mircea_popescu;just the lulzof "you are finished". the unintentional open mouth insert foot style of prose.
999821;1422687727;BingoBoingo;aH
999822;1422688275;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 115795 @ 0.00039487 = 45.724 BTC [-] {2} 
999823;1422688397;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3428 @ 0.00040086 = 1.3741 BTC [+] {2} 
999824;1422688458;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 63872 @ 0.00040904 = 26.1262 BTC [+]
999825;1422688580;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 193100 @ 0.00039098 = 75.4982 BTC [-] {2} 
999826;1422688653;pete_dushenski;http://qntra.net/2015/01/police-warn-bitcoin-extortion-letter-recipients-not-to-pay/#comment-8818
999827;1422688653;assbot;Police Warn Bitcoin Extortion Letter Recipients Not To Pay | Qntra.net ... ( http://bit.ly/1EVqlCp )
999828;1422688658;pete_dushenski;BingoBoingo: just noticed that serena is through to the finals
999829;1422688788;BingoBoingo;Perlboy: Yeah, that's some bullshit. My Money's on Sharapova now, just enough to wipe the previous loss if wins.
999830;1422688861;mircea_popescu;"The astonishing truth is that despite millions of dollars and hundreds of academic careers psychiatry has made no progress in almost 20 years, let alone ten, a claim no other medical specialty can make, and the truth which cannot be spoken out loud. Hence an exam."
999831;1422688877;mircea_popescu;meanwhile "economy", another us pseudoscience, has made shocking progress the past 20 years :
999832;1422688891;mircea_popescu;austerity, the definitive solution to all the problems caused by inflation and loose money
999833;1422688903;mircea_popescu;is now the problem, to be definitivel solved by inflation and loose money.
999834;1422688912;mircea_popescu;so much progress could hardly fit in a single asshole.
999835;1422688950;pete_dushenski;thankfully, the number of people have inflated too
999836;1422688963;pete_dushenski;and each has at least one backdoor
999837;1422688982;mircea_popescu;"governance" - social "studies" - "earth science" - "economy" - "psychiatry" and "computer science"
999838;1422688999;mircea_popescu;that's pretty much the list of things the us has uncontributed to.
999839;1422689082;pete_dushenski;+ public health
999840;1422689102;pete_dushenski;“The human mating system is extremely flexible,” Bernard Chapais of the University of Montreal wrote in a recent review in Evolutionary Anthropology. Only 17 percent of human cultures are strictly monogamous. The vast majority of human societies embrace a mix of marriage types, with some people practicing monogamy and others polygamy.
999841;1422689122;mircea_popescu;that much is true.
999842;1422689159;mircea_popescu;there's probably a population somewhere in history that actually reproduced by flies carring sperm from splooge puddles into fetid snatches.
999843;1422689246;pete_dushenski;lol but of course, the retardosearchers go on to make unwarranted conclusions:
999844;1422689252;pete_dushenski;“Once monogamy has evolved, then male care is far more likely,” Dr. Opie said.
999845;1422689253;pete_dushenski;Once a monogamous primate father starts to stick around, he has the opportunity to raise the odds that his offspring will survive. He can carry them, groom their fur and protect them from attacks.
999846;1422689253;pete_dushenski;In our own lineage, however, fathers went further. They had evolved the ability to hunt and scavenge meat, and they were supplying some of that food to their children. “They may have gone beyond what is normal for monogamous primates,” said Dr. Opie.
999847;1422689254;pete_dushenski;The extra supply of protein and calories that human children started to receive is widely considered a watershed moment in our evolution. It could explain why we have brains far bigger than other mammals.
999848;1422689254;mircea_popescu;as far as the fabled 17% strictly monogamous cultures go... i very much doubt this ever happened. no culture in history was strictly monogamous for a strict definition of strictly.
999849;1422689256;pete_dushenski;Brains are hungry organs, demanding 20 times more calories than a similar piece of muscle. Only with a steady supply of energy-rich meat, Dr. Opie suggests, were we able to evolve big brains — and all the mental capacities that come with it.
999850;1422689258;pete_dushenski;Because of monogamy, Dr. Opie said, “This could be how humans were able to push through a ceiling in terms of brain size.”
999851;1422689271;mircea_popescu;absolute nonsense.
999852;1422689310;pete_dushenski;this is what taxdollars get you
999853;1422689357;mircea_popescu;actually i've not paid any tax dollars, but i appreciate teh intent.
999854;1422689416;mircea_popescu;in any case ; meat is not particularly energetic. fat is, but fat is widely available outside of animals : one could for instance eat nothing but aguacate and become really really smart - except it doesn't work in practice.
999855;1422689442;pete_dushenski;at least not for south americans
999856;1422689446;mircea_popescu;so... this guy is discussing interesting and otherwise important matters with all the astuteness of a virgin 15 yo girl from nantucket.
999857;1422689451;pete_dushenski;but maybe if we keep trying!
999858;1422689465;mircea_popescu;actually... i guess bernard chapais actually is a 15 yo from nantucket.
999859;1422689478;mircea_popescu;in any case there's no way to tell the difference.
999860;1422689573;mircea_popescu;for that matter, brain size per se is not well related to energetic consumption, nor to cognitive function for that matter. whales have some of the largest brains in the animalia kingdom, and somehow they're not writing stupid papers about 15yo virgin prisses.
999861;1422689588;pete_dushenski;it's not at all clear that larger brains are the function of a social behaviour, nor why they should be
999862;1422689616;pete_dushenski;right. size isn't the difference.
999863;1422689658;mircea_popescu;speaking of which, http://40.media.tumblr.com/e3908b614075918afd6d8f4e5ee1d839/tumblr_mu89pmypXh1rjh6r0o1_500.jpg
999864;1422689659;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1EvM8Dw )
999865;1422689680;pete_dushenski;it's where the brain is bigger, not just that it's bigger, that's differentiating
999866;1422689694;pete_dushenski;plus gyri, sulci
999867;1422689800;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24212 @ 0.00040904 = 9.9037 BTC [+]
999868;1422690165;punkman;total scam http://www.pornhub.com/view_video.php?viewkey=1219749240
999869;1422690206;punkman;re: kendra sunderland, she's just being topless
999870;1422690298;pete_dushenski;who's she again?
999871;1422690312;mircea_popescu;steph kegels wanna-be
999872;1422690331;punkman;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=31-01-2015#999495
999873;1422690331;assbot;Logged on 31-01-2015 03:30:10; hanbot: friendly reminder to not go to the library horny: http://www.inquisitr.com/1802797/kendra-sunderland-admits-to-filming-library-sex-video/
999874;1422690519;pete_dushenski;aok so basically random no one is being charged for trespassing on campus property
999875;1422690532;pete_dushenski;not quite as bad as this poor old man:
999876;1422690533;pete_dushenski;Pedro Leonardo Mascheroni, 79, a physicist and naturalized citizen from Argentina, pleaded guilty in 2013 to espionage-related offenses stemming from a sting in which he told an undercover agent that he could help the Caracas government obtain an atomic bomb, according to the F.B.I. and court records.
999877;1422690555;pete_dushenski;dude just got 5 years
999878;1422690645;mircea_popescu;!up p15
999879;1422690656;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 113608 @ 0.0003868 = 43.9436 BTC [-] {2} 
999880;1422690717;mircea_popescu;pete_dushenski this scam pops up now and again, the sort of salesmen that poach on old ladies selling them 55's years worth of toilet paper supplies and 19 organs join the fbi and proceed to "catch" old / mentally disabled / minorities and other vulnerable people at you know, trying to buy badbombium
999881;1422690760;mircea_popescu;then completely insane commanding officers fail to sack them and completely insane  judges fail to throw the thing out and hold the idiots in contempt for a few years at a stretch.
999882;1422690831;pete_dushenski;i mean it's one thing to keep an old lady company for a few years, take her to dinner, to the doctor's, end up in her will
999883;1422690845;pete_dushenski;but this is pretty low
999884;1422690865;pete_dushenski;but hey, gotta expect it from the fbi, right?
999885;1422690912;mircea_popescu;no time to cook dinner anymore, mcd's gotta do. "i ordered takeout. what ?! it's still effort!"
999886;1422691064;pete_dushenski;so is breathing
999887;1422691083;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 94300 @ 0.00039325 = 37.0835 BTC [+] {2} 
999888;1422691979;pete_dushenski;so reddit sez davout = karpeles nao
999889;1422691980;pete_dushenski;http://www.reddit.com/r/Buttcoin/comments/2t7k6w/the_emperor_is_buttnaked_btc_block_size/cnwhzlv
999890;1422691980;assbot;Mark_Karpeles_ comments on The Emperor is Buttnaked (BTC block size discussion with Gavin) ... ( http://bit.ly/1HwbzqW )
999891;1422692030;pete_dushenski;lol mebbe dread pirate est francaise aussi ?
999892;1422692169;BingoBoingo;!up Vexual
999893;1422692548;Vexual;reddit also says hashie is tradefortress
999894;1422692628;pete_dushenski;and that down is up
999895;1422692636;pete_dushenski;and that capitalism is in crisis
999896;1422692668;pete_dushenski;and that b-a is under a musty dark bridge somewhere
999897;1422692676;pete_dushenski;etc
999898;1422692848;Vexual;so where drowned is the same as drowning, we might ise 1/30 s and the smallest apeture, an da neutral filer to suit
999899;1422693021;Vexual;make it look all dreamy and nice
999900;1422693125;Vexual;top logs
999901;1422693162;pete_dushenski;tippity
999902;1422693202;Vexual;im entirely adverese to ruinin git with music
999903;1422693234;pete_dushenski;mircea_popescu: all yours: http://www.contravex.com/2015/01/30/how-to-become-a-good-poker-player-translated/#comment-9375
999904;1422693235;assbot;How to become a good poker player, translated. | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski ... ( http://bit.ly/1EVuarw )
999905;1422693235;Vexual;ill misspell instead
999906;1422693598;mircea_popescu;pete_dushenski derps.
999907;1422693665;mircea_popescu;also, the problem of jooz is very simple :
999908;1422693667;mircea_popescu;their mother.
999909;1422693693;pete_dushenski;go on...
999910;1422693705;mircea_popescu;no, that's it.
999911;1422693766;pete_dushenski;i get the stereotype: naggy and whatnot
999912;1422693802;pete_dushenski;but that doesn't mean author x is going to stake his claim on a stereotype
999913;1422693839;mircea_popescu;nah, that's not it.
999914;1422693885;mircea_popescu;well first off, you introduced a stereotype by discussing jews, so we're going to do stereotypes.
999915;1422693912;mircea_popescu;how the hell are you going to discuss "jews" unstereotypically.
999916;1422693927;mircea_popescu;jurov btw re dicelist : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boggle
999917;1422693929;assbot;Boggle - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ... ( http://bit.ly/1EVuJ4y )
999918;1422694007;pete_dushenski;mircea_popescu: that's a point i suppose. but "stupid people" are subject to the same
999919;1422694023;pete_dushenski;even if the specific vices thereof are a matter of perspective
999920;1422694024;mircea_popescu;nah, there's no stereotype of stupidity.
999921;1422694040;mircea_popescu;see, there's a stereotype of a dumb blonde, there isn't a stereotype of a hot blonde.
999922;1422694151;pete_dushenski;the stereotype of the hot blonde is that she's out of your league
999923;1422694173;mircea_popescu;even if they're both meaningful constructions, they're not both stereotypical constructions. a good test being, of course, translation.
999924;1422694177;pete_dushenski;and that she's surrounded by a moat of friends
999925;1422694213;mircea_popescu;there's a lot more to it than that. big boobs, tall, a certain mouth shape...
999926;1422694236;mircea_popescu;she dun has to be surrounded by friends, heck, she's often alone, protected by the magic of her idiot ball
999927;1422694283;pete_dushenski;maybe she's alone for a minute
999928;1422694310;mircea_popescu;anyway, stereotypy's mostly a literary device. the poor man's term of art, if you will.
999929;1422694376;pete_dushenski;so how does titling an article "the problems of stupid people" circumvent this term of art ?
999930;1422694381;fluffypony;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d6_T48zd8zg
999931;1422694382;assbot;Sometimes you make a mistake - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1EVv6ff )
999932;1422694410;pete_dushenski;i guess i just think that people would actually read such a thing
999933;1422694415;pete_dushenski;maybe because you wrote it
999934;1422694419;mircea_popescu;anyway, back to the problems of the stereotypical jew : same problem as shared by all middle eastern cultures, from bulgaria to iran : that the woman is overimportant in the culture. unlike the other eastern cultures however, the jew has very little means to address this problem. can't quite start stoning innocent girls in the road.
999935;1422694420;pete_dushenski;maybe because it's on trilema
999936;1422694430;mircea_popescu;and so, he's stuck with liberal binging
999937;1422694476;pete_dushenski;liberal, if capitalist, binging
999938;1422694492;pete_dushenski;make $$ now, give it away when dead
999939;1422694499;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28600 @ 0.00039596 = 11.3245 BTC [+]
999940;1422694501;mircea_popescu;myeah. "frantic exertion as a decoy for impotence", as teh tlp guy likes to say
999941;1422694561;mircea_popescu;fluffypony lol the narrator makes it
999942;1422694615;mircea_popescu;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m-q_XCDDUF8 << whale's made a video about what mistakes seagulls make.
999943;1422694616;assbot;Biggest Mistakes Aspiring Models Make | Modeling - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1CWt5R0 )
999944;1422694698;mircea_popescu;<pete_dushenski> so how does titling an article "the problems of stupid people" circumvent this term of art ? << which term ? and nah, it doesn't.
999945;1422694723;pete_dushenski;the term: stereotype
999946;1422694926;mircea_popescu;anyway, to save teh noobs : in no case am i proposing that the bizarro atrocities of the muslims, stereotypically grouped above under " stoning innocent girls in the road" are an effectual approach to the problem [of overrepresentation of woman in their own mental space]. it clearly doesn't work, but then again it's clearly what they're trying. and obviously it's not the god damned women's fault that dudes are all hang
999947;1422694926;mircea_popescu; up on them, conceptually, either.
999948;1422694975;pete_dushenski;lol
999949;1422695026;pete_dushenski;the efforts of moslems maybe "clearly doesn't work" at the superficial intention, but it seems to be successful a recruiting new folks
999950;1422695048;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 127364 @ 0.00039244 = 49.9827 BTC [-]
999951;1422695051;mircea_popescu;eh, recruiting boys to do something sutpid is like finding flies to go on shit.
999952;1422695085;pete_dushenski;well them islam has the stankiest stink because it's attracting hordes of 'em
999953;1422695123;mircea_popescu;pete_dushenski nevertheless, examine teh devices side by side. muslim boy is like "you must wear the tablecloth on your head lest there's weird stuff that scares me going on in my head". jew boy is like "mom you must not be disappointed in me or else there's weird stuff that scares me going on in my head"
999954;1422695132;mircea_popescu;it's really not THAT different. which is why they fucking hate each other.
999955;1422695199;pete_dushenski;that old competition for scarce resources
999956;1422695205;pete_dushenski;but instead of water or oil
999957;1422695211;pete_dushenski;it's women to be scared of
999958;1422695231;mircea_popescu;more like "the right way to treat neurosis with home remedies"
999959;1422695234;pete_dushenski;"this is why you should be scared" "no it's not! it's this!"
999960;1422695240;mircea_popescu;obviously, there can only be one.
999961;1422695252;pete_dushenski;lol
999962;1422695283;pete_dushenski;tiger penis soup or cockroach bungholes
999963;1422695285;pete_dushenski;take your pick
999964;1422695298;mircea_popescu;but honestly, either beats the english "if you ever enjoy anything you will die" nonsense.
999965;1422695318;mircea_popescu;it's shocking how the stupidest of european peoples managed to steal and run off with the stupidest corner of jewish religion
999966;1422695365;mircea_popescu;it's almost like explorer found ancient tomb, ran off with ancient pee bowl. as a hat.
999967;1422695367;pete_dushenski;the peg fit the hole i guess
999968;1422695384;pete_dushenski;as it always does
999969;1422695423;mircea_popescu;as george costanza once said, "if there's a pinhead in the crowd, i gotta be on top of it"
999970;1422695549;pete_dushenski;and as home simpson once said, "this is the snack holder where i can put my beverage, or, if you will, cupcake
999971;1422695583;pete_dushenski;homer*
999972;1422695588;mircea_popescu;lol. anyways, im off. take it ezzy
999973;1422695600;pete_dushenski;bon soir
999974;1422695773;punkman;http://www.bbc.com/future/story/20150130-the-man-who-studies-evil
999975;1422695773;assbot;BBC - Future - Psychology: the man who studies everyday evil ... ( http://bit.ly/1CWvevY )
999976;1422696252;pete_dushenski;“Human society is so complex that there are different ways of enhancing your reproductive success – some involve being nice and some being nasty,”
999977;1422696373;pete_dushenski;In some situations, ruthlessness may be necessary. “To be prime minister, you can’t be namby pamby – you need to cut corners and hurt people, and even be nasty to achieve your moral causes,” he says. After all, the dark personalities often have the impulse and the confidence to get things done –even Mother Theresa apparently had a steely side, he says. “You’re not going to help
999978;1422696373;pete_dushenski; society by sitting at home being nice.”
999979;1422696388;pete_dushenski;this is teh take-home point for reddit
999980;1422696402;pete_dushenski;the community will spin in circles being nice to one another
999981;1422696472;pete_dushenski;the leaders will not be nice just because of feelings
999982;1422696756;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 77950 @ 0.00039401 = 30.7131 BTC [+]
999983;1422696763;punkman;http://cordialminuet.com/
999984;1422696764;assbot;CORDIAL MINUET ... ( http://bit.ly/1CWx28a )
999985;1422697164;punkman;^ needs remake with btc
999986;1422697732;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 75500 @ 0.00038554 = 29.1083 BTC [-] {3} 
999987;1422698099;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 58032 @ 0.00038291 = 22.221 BTC [-]
999988;1422699680;jurov;midnightmagic: mircea_popescu: i don't see the bash as place to put mollification statements, they need to be funnier. it's in the log already, just have the url handy at all times
999989;1422699709;jurov;unless kakobrekla decides otherwise
999990;1422699928;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20636 @ 0.00037839 = 7.8085 BTC [-]
999991;1422699989;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 231064 @ 0.00037575 = 86.8223 BTC [-] {3} 
999992;1422700234;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 1662 @ 0.00094999 = 1.5789 BTC [-]
999993;1422700235;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15313 @ 0.00038133 = 5.8393 BTC [+]
999994;1422700477;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 174000 @ 0.00037188 = 64.7071 BTC [-] {2} 
999995;1422700829;punkman;http://thecastledoctrine.net/buy.php
999996;1422700830;assbot;The Castle Doctrine ... ( http://bit.ly/1Cl3G4y )
999997;1422700843;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9649 @ 0.00037154 = 3.585 BTC [-]
999998;1422700873;punkman;same author as cordialminuet, Jason Rohrer.
999999;1422700882;punkman;he's made some interesting games
1000000;1422700904;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 115238 @ 0.00036886 = 42.5067 BTC [-] {3} 
1000001;1422701249;punkman;http://thecastledoctrine.net/forums/viewtopic.php?pid=2157
1000002;1422701250;assbot;Changing the direction of the game (and v9 released) (Page 1) / News / The Castle Doctrine Forums ... ( http://bit.ly/1zqKYVu )
1000003;1422701697;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 222200 @ 0.00037701 = 83.7716 BTC [+] {2} 
1000004;1422702185;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19015 @ 0.00036729 = 6.984 BTC [-]
1000005;1422703466;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 69100 @ 0.00038133 = 26.3499 BTC [+]
1000006;1422704442;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31300 @ 0.00036729 = 11.4962 BTC [-]
1000007;1422704808;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 46300 @ 0.00036729 = 17.0055 BTC [-]
1000008;1422705052;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 93716 @ 0.00038118 = 35.7227 BTC [+] {2} 
1000009;1422705540;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 62800 @ 0.00036843 = 23.1374 BTC [-]
1000010;1422707065;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 278700 @ 0.00036434 = 101.5416 BTC [-] {4} 
1000011;1422708163;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 119400 @ 0.0003566 = 42.578 BTC [-] {2} 
1000012;1422708407;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 85825 @ 0.00034553 = 29.6551 BTC [-] {2} 
1000013;1422710481;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 103950 @ 0.0003293 = 34.2307 BTC [-]
1000014;1422710664;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 48341 @ 0.00033906 = 16.3905 BTC [+]
1000015;1422710969;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6175 @ 0.00034337 = 2.1203 BTC [+]
1000016;1422711396;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 51749 @ 0.00038133 = 19.7334 BTC [+]
1000017;1422714019;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 44866 @ 0.00038385 = 17.2218 BTC [+]
1000018;1422715033;mats;wow, rcons is awesome compared to ncurses, wtf
1000019;1422715132;mats;portable, small code base, no special compilations to support mice and certain colors, supports html output, supports truecolor on all platforms
1000020;1422715168;*;mats cheers
1000021;1422715300;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31900 @ 0.00038385 = 12.2448 BTC [+]
1000022;1422715856;PeterL;BingoBoingo: http://qntra.net/2015/01/police-offer-well-surveilled-online-exchange-zone/ second paragraph, s/dan/and
1000023;1422715856;assbot;Police Offer Well Surveilled "Online Exchange Zone" | Qntra.net ... ( http://bit.ly/18Dba6r )
1000024;1422715897;coderwill;anyone looking for a frontend dev / ux designer in here? i'm trying to find identify and hopefully work with more closely aligned people in 2015 - without moving. :)
1000025;1422717496;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 116381 @ 0.00038339 = 44.6193 BTC [-]
1000026;1422717801;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 53022 @ 0.00038339 = 20.3281 BTC [-]
1000027;1422718777;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 83117 @ 0.00038339 = 31.8662 BTC [-]
1000028;1422720562;TomServo;!up wpalczynski
1000029;1422720657;wpalczynski;Hi!
1000030;1422720681;TomServo;Ahoy!
1000031;1422720694;danielpbarron;oh hey it's a monero guy!
1000032;1422720828;wpalczynski;yup :)
1000033;1422722201;mats;get in the wot, yo.
1000034;1422722254;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 252550 @ 0.00038334 = 96.8125 BTC [-]
1000035;1422723352;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 74550 @ 0.00038202 = 28.4796 BTC [-] {2} 
1000036;1422723901;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 61115 @ 0.0003854 = 23.5537 BTC [+] {2} 
1000037;1422723962;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 132685 @ 0.00038699 = 51.3478 BTC [+] {2} 
1000038;1422724344;ben_vulpes;buenos dias
1000039;1422725853;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 39280 @ 0.0003816 = 14.9892 BTC [-]
1000040;1422726097;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13780 @ 0.0003816 = 5.2584 BTC [-]
1000041;1422726108;mod6;!t m s.mpoe
1000042;1422726108;assbot;[MPEX:S.MPOE] 1D: 0.0003293 / 0.00039592 / 0.00044337 (6182344 shares, 2,447.75 BTC), 7D: 0.00030001 / 0.00042314 / 0.00053193 (14651525 shares, 6,199.78 BTC), 30D: 0.00030001 / 0.00049707 / 0.00068113 (43044769 shares, 21,396.27 BTC)
1000043;1422726117;mod6;such vol
1000044;1422726220;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 113200 @ 0.00038965 = 44.1084 BTC [+] {3} 
1000045;1422726281;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 210532 @ 0.00038198 = 80.419 BTC [-] {2} 
1000046;1422726431;ben_vulpes;"I feel bad suggesting that we limit the block size at all," << there. another knife.
1000047;1422726486;ben_vulpes;gavin andresen is unchangeably biased against solutions that preserve scarcity semantics.
1000048;1422726750;[]bot;Bet placed: 1 BTC for No on "BTC to rally to $4000 before July 2015" http://bitbet.us/bet/1026/ Odds: 10(Y):90(N) by coin, 11(Y):89(N) by weight. Total bet: 12.7199 BTC. Current weight: 43,121.
1000049;1422726768;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 79690 @ 0.00038133 = 30.3882 BTC [-]
1000050;1422727449;mircea_popescu;;;isup blockchain.info
1000051;1422727451;gribble;blockchain.info is up
1000052;1422727477;mircea_popescu;orly
1000053;1422727478;mircea_popescu;https://blockchain.info/address/16crkmdoaK6Tq8NP3FVK7Uxq5Dwdicb3c3
1000054;1422727479;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1zIweod )
1000055;1422727486;fluffypony;http://i.imgur.com/CsIJGkz.jpg
1000056;1422727487;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1zIweV4 )
1000057;1422727562;mircea_popescu;lol
1000058;1422727795;ben_vulpes;huh
1000059;1422727809;ben_vulpes;for some reason the "upload a public key" feature for aws has gone missing.
1000060;1422727811;ben_vulpes;SUBTERFUGE
1000061;1422728100;mats;o noes
1000062;1422728192;mircea_popescu;jurov: unless kakobrekla decides otherwise << i thought it was pretty funny.
1000063;1422728318;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes: gavin andresen is unchangeably biased against solutions that preserve scarcity semantics. <<< that's not even it. a princeton graduate that lives in amherst mass and has suckled the usg privilege tit all his life to the exclusion of anything else is going to make it so we can't verify bitcoin transactions or integrity anymore in order to "save africa" by allowing them microtransactions they don't either nee
1000064;1422728318;mircea_popescu;d or intend to use.
1000065;1422728370;mircea_popescu;a more laughably clear cut of usg-ism i've never seen, and it's utter defeat and public ridicule will do a lot not only to preserve bitcoin as "the noose that hangs the usg", but moreover as a focal point for all people who would rather live an actual life.
1000066;1422728483;mircea_popescu;this isn't about one idiot guy going around at parties dressed up as satoshi. this is about how americanism failed and fails, at home and abroad.
1000067;1422728517;mircea_popescu;time for something new and something better than "let's break everything so some black guy i've imagined feels better about his life".
1000068;1422728527;scoopbot;New post on Trilema by Mircea Popescu: http://trilema.com/2015/the-worm/
1000069;1422728897;mats;http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/2uadvd/the_real_reason_ryan_charles_was_fired_from/
1000070;1422728898;assbot;The real reason Ryan Charles was fired from reddit: he spent the entire duration of his employment working on a port of bitcoin core to Javascript. : Bitcoin ... ( http://bit.ly/1zIyjAo )
1000071;1422728903;mats;kek
1000072;1422729001;mats;The reddit wallet, should it have existed, had absolutely enormous potential. The goal was to make it really easy for redditors to have and transact in digital assets, particularly bitcoin, dogecoin, and reddit notes, as well as any other assets using whatever protocol we ultimately used for reddit notes (probably colored coins or sidechains).
1000073;1422729086;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 158100 @ 0.00037428 = 59.1737 BTC [-] {2} 
1000074;1422729398;jurov;i guess b-a bash needs american( or america-culture-aware) moderator then. i found midnightmagic's utterance only slightly bizarre
1000075;1422729585;mthreat;greetings from Livingston Island, Antarctica
1000076;1422729596;mthreat;well, from the boat at the moment
1000077;1422729618;jurov;wave to penguins
1000078;1422729619;ben_vulpes;pics! nao!
1000079;1422729643;mthreat;slow internet, i may be able to get 1 pic up
1000080;1422729665;mthreat;but it probably is the same as all the other pics out there :)
1000081;1422729673;mthreat;and penguin shit stinks
1000082;1422730109;mircea_popescu;jurov no biggy
1000083;1422730112;mircea_popescu;hey mthreat !
1000084;1422730223;mircea_popescu;mats redditors transacting, enormous potential, top kek.
1000085;1422730256;[]bot;Bet placed: 1.4 BTC for No on "Bitcoin to drop under $150 before March" http://bitbet.us/bet/1107/ Odds: 16(Y):84(N) by coin, 20(Y):80(N) by weight. Total bet: 8.38179557 BTC. Current weight: 52,784.
1000086;1422730297;asciilifeform;"errors" : "EXCEPTION: 11DbException       \nDb::get: Cannot allocate memory       \nbitcoin in ProcessMessage()       \n"
1000087;1422730305;asciilifeform;^ new type of perma-wedge
1000088;1422730324;mircea_popescu;aga
1000089;1422730335;mircea_popescu;which one asciilifeform ?
1000090;1422730340;asciilifeform;pogo
1000091;1422730356;asciilifeform;bastard node, is going strong
1000092;1422730370;asciilifeform;interestingly, this did not kill the process
1000093;1422730375;asciilifeform;it just sits.
1000094;1422730424;asciilifeform;i conjecture - corrupted db
1000095;1422730429;asciilifeform;one too many shots.
1000096;1422730483;mircea_popescu;nah, this is actually a known 2011 issue. that was obv never fixed
1000097;1422730487;mircea_popescu;"get more memory!11"
1000098;1422730492;mircea_popescu;anyway, can you kill it ?
1000099;1422730498;BingoBoingo;jurov> i guess b-a bash needs american( or america-culture-aware) moderator then. i found midnightmagic's utterance only slightly bizarre << Same here
1000100;1422730550;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 84210 @ 0.00038117 = 32.0983 BTC [+]
1000101;1422730553;asciilifeform;killed, restarted
1000102;1422730580;trinque;BingoBoingo: later yelled at me that he wasn't american, and also leave britney alone
1000103;1422730609;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform incidentally, the march fork yielded a lot of that too
1000104;1422730630;asciilifeform;bastard node is running under 'valgrind', incidentally
1000105;1422730654;asciilifeform;~12h now
1000106;1422730655;mircea_popescu;good move.
1000107;1422730659;mircea_popescu;what count is it on ?
1000108;1422730671;asciilifeform;195517
1000109;1422730700;*;asciilifeform off for tea time, brb
1000110;1422730762;pete_dushenski;scoop: http://www.contravex.com/2015/01/31/on-pretending-googling-is-still-a-thing-that-works/
1000111;1422730763;assbot;On pretending “Googling” is still a thing that works any more than “USG” | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski ... ( http://bit.ly/1EwLHJ0 )
1000112;1422730798;pete_dushenski;that said, i'm heading out for a walk. bbl
1000113;1422730916;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 67050 @ 0.00038117 = 25.5574 BTC [+]
1000114;1422731075;scoopbot;New post on Trilema by Mircea Popescu: http://trilema.com/2015/third-pass-addressing-the-more-common-pseudo-arguments-raised-by-the-very-stupid-people-that-like-the-gavin-scamcoin-proposal/
1000115;1422731086;punkman;https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=8977177
1000116;1422731087;assbot;Why I hate Google, or some thoughts about “open” technologies | Hacker News ... ( http://bit.ly/1EwMo53 )
1000117;1422731405;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29150 @ 0.00038117 = 11.1111 BTC [+]
1000118;1422731524;mircea_popescu;guy has a very strange idea as to what open means.
1000119;1422731528;mircea_popescu;nothing google ever made was open.
1000120;1422731602;fluffypony;yeah
1000121;1422731603;punkman;he's talking about the open source stuff
1000122;1422731625;mircea_popescu;except it's not.
1000123;1422731631;fluffypony;but all their FOSS work is pretty much to further their own endeavours
1000124;1422731652;fluffypony;eg. I don't think they created Go or AngularJS because they felt benevolent
1000125;1422731655;mircea_popescu;just because google has been measurably more successful at embrace, extend and extinguish foss than say microsoft
1000126;1422731659;mircea_popescu;does not make it part of foss.
1000127;1422732169;cazalla;BingoBoingo, serina eh :P
1000128;1422732181;BingoBoingo;Fuck
1000129;1422732393;cazalla;clearly you've never heard the saying "always bet on black"
1000130;1422732448;mircea_popescu;lol
1000131;1422732459;mircea_popescu;he lost eh ?
1000132;1422732474;mircea_popescu;o wow check out all the s.mpoe action
1000133;1422732519;asciilifeform;it's perma-wedged, in db state.
1000134;1422732620;cazalla;mircea_popescu, twice i believe
1000135;1422732634;asciilifeform;'So, I have a question - why do we need such an OPEN technologies, that can be BLOCKED tomorrow? Today - it's me, but who knows what will happen tomorrow, and which countries or companies will decide to block their, so called open, tools that you use.'
1000136;1422732646;asciilifeform;^ cloud111!!!!111
1000137;1422732661;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: I'm still all time +ev against serena, but it always stings losing in the now. Nice Shitbrain worm >> Ascaris cerebrofoetida
1000138;1422732678;cazalla;BingoBoingo, who are you figuring to win tonight? djokovic or murray? i want to bet opposite to you :P
1000139;1422732686;mats;mr magic is worried about being gassed by agents of the enemy
1000140;1422732710;BingoBoingo;cazalla: I don't really know men's tennis. Kind of a sport for the girlies.
1000141;1422732758;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo evil eh
1000142;1422732777;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo you know it's tenis not penis.
1000143;1422732807;asciilifeform;perma-wedge - silently hangs on restart
1000144;1422732810;asciilifeform;with no output.
1000145;1422732812;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: More the sort of necessary evil that would need invented.
1000146;1422732906;BingoBoingo;<mircea_popescu> BingoBoingo you know it's tenis not penis. << Ah, phonics gets me again
1000147;1422733127;asciilifeform;worm tale << see also short story 'the moral virologist' (greg egan)
1000148;1422733136;asciilifeform;sorta opposite.
1000149;1422733173;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 36750 @ 0.00037407 = 13.7471 BTC [-] {2} 
1000150;1422733803;ben_vulpes;conformal, btcd, compiling << btcd won't even compile on a vps with ~600 mb of ram. OOM kill.
1000151;1422733821;ben_vulpes;turdlang indeed.
1000152;1422733842;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: see thread from hour ago
1000153;1422733850;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: re: google and 'open'
1000154;1422733887;fluffypony;don't you just run Go apps, without precompiling them?
1000155;1422733898;asciilifeform;'golang' is in the same league as apple's 'darwin' unix kernel. a whole zoological kingdom of pseudo-open, where, yes, theoretically you can read source, but it is not -for you-
1000156;1422733927;ben_vulpes;fluffypony: "go get ..."
1000157;1422733938;fluffypony;that just fetches deps
1000158;1422733938;asciilifeform;and if interests of vendor conflict with yours in any way, the conflict will be subtly and perfidiously resolved in favour of vendor
1000159;1422733939;ben_vulpes;i'm no expert with their ecosystem, so i may be doing it wrong.
1000160;1422733965;asciilifeform;the solution to turdlangs is, to crib from clinton era anti-dope slogan, 'be smart - don't start'
1000161;1422733980;fluffypony;I have an API for a service I run that is written in Go, and that's 'go server.go', no compiling
1000162;1422733981;mod6;ha
1000163;1422733988;asciilifeform;i've been there. was a die-hard user of 'mathematica' for some years
1000164;1422733991;asciilifeform;quitting - was agony.
1000165;1422734016;hanbot;that's why you were so aghast over gossipd.go?
1000166;1422734024;asciilifeform;aha
1000167;1422734106;asciilifeform;http://www.loper-os.org/?p=42&cpage=1#comment-2746 << quitting mathematica dope
1000168;1422734108;assbot;Loper OS » Thumbs Down for Clojure ... ( http://bit.ly/1DidCsf )
1000169;1422734153;hanbot;i guess that's a highlight for artifexd
1000170;1422734210;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 77300 @ 0.00036757 = 28.4132 BTC [-]
1000171;1422734213;ben_vulpes;fluffypony: doesn't really cover the apparently epic dependency graph of btcd
1000172;1422734229;*;ben_vulpes is trying to decide how much he cares about running btcd
1000173;1422734271;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 1615 @ 0.00095998 = 1.5504 BTC [+]
1000174;1422734286;asciilifeform;in other news,
1000175;1422734287;asciilifeform;http://dpaste.com/231ZHHC
1000176;1422734289;assbot;dpaste: 231ZHHC: valgrind output of bastard node. ... ( http://bit.ly/1Die6yC )
1000177;1422734342;asciilifeform;compare with: http://dpaste.com/1T8RSCJ << classical
1000178;1422734343;assbot;dpaste: 1T8RSCJ: shit ... ( http://bit.ly/1DiehcZ )
1000179;1422734367;asciilifeform;classical: 'definitely lost'
1000180;1422734378;asciilifeform;bastard: 'possibly lost'
1000181;1422734382;asciilifeform;clever bugger.
1000182;1422734511;punkman;heh https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=8977021
1000183;1422734512;assbot;Ask HN: Someone raised money by claiming my project as their own | Hacker News ... ( http://bit.ly/1zIHy3s )
1000184;1422734570;punkman;"open source as long as the chinese don't copy it"
1000185;1422734718;danielpbarron;asciilifeform, http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=xfzJYMNJ <-- any suggestions?
1000186;1422734718;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1Dift07 )
1000187;1422734738;asciilifeform;danielpbarron: what were you building on ?
1000188;1422734744;danielpbarron;might be my crappy laptop; i may just make a fresh gentoo install just for this
1000189;1422734779;danielpbarron;ubuntu 12.w/e :/
1000190;1422734787;asciilifeform;what cross-compiler ?
1000191;1422734831;danielpbarron;arm-linux-gnueabi
1000192;1422734845;asciilifeform;first of all, has to be armv5
1000193;1422734857;danielpbarron;ah hah!
1000194;1422734857;asciilifeform;second - were you using the build script exactly as given ?
1000195;1422734896;danielpbarron;the auto.sh one?
1000196;1422734903;danielpbarron;no, it's modified slightly
1000197;1422734908;asciilifeform;how?
1000198;1422734962;danielpbarron;to change that prefix
1000199;1422734976;danielpbarron;and i had to add "sudo" the make install of BDB
1000200;1422734980;danielpbarron;for some reason
1000201;1422734986;danielpbarron;maybe related to this other thing you pointed out
1000202;1422735013;asciilifeform;danielpbarron: ahahahaha
1000203;1422735024;asciilifeform;you probably installed bdb systemwide
1000204;1422735029;asciilifeform;instead of local dir as specified in recipe
1000205;1422735033;asciilifeform;same for boost
1000206;1422735033;danielpbarron;it already was
1000207;1422735042;asciilifeform;recipe -specifically- calls for local install
1000208;1422735049;asciilifeform;it's a deterministic build
1000209;1422735054;danielpbarron;right i get that
1000210;1422735055;asciilifeform;which means, 'all that's mine i carry with me'
1000211;1422735058;asciilifeform;like a snail.
1000212;1422735113;asciilifeform;and should very certainly not need sudo-anything
1000213;1422735126;asciilifeform;that's a sure symptom that it was unable to install to specified local dir
1000214;1422735128;asciilifeform;did you create the latter ?
1000215;1422735138;asciilifeform;'ourlibs'
1000216;1422735144;danielpbarron;yep
1000217;1422735185;asciilifeform;what do you get if removed 'sudo' ?
1000218;1422735188;asciilifeform;post output.
1000219;1422735223;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: had typo when restart of wedged pogo, it actually does restart
1000220;1422735291;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: but it reliably dies with:
1000221;1422735294;asciilifeform;************************
1000222;1422735294;asciilifeform;EXCEPTION: 11DbException
1000223;1422735294;asciilifeform;Db::get: Cannot allocate memory
1000224;1422735294;asciilifeform;bitcoin in ProcessMessage()
1000225;1422735294;asciilifeform;ProcessMessage(block, 72417 bytes) FAILED
1000226;1422735295;asciilifeform;received block 00000000000003c67a87
1000227;1422735297;asciilifeform;REORGANIZE
1000228;1422735378;asciilifeform;^ essentially, exhausts ram on boot
1000229;1422735413;asciilifeform;as soon as loads even one block.
1000230;1422735427;asciilifeform;bdb cache?
1000231;1422735441;danielpbarron;asciilifeform, http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=tm3s2qMy
1000232;1422735442;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1zIIXai )
1000233;1422735468;asciilifeform;./distfiles/boost_1_52_0.tar.bz2: Cannot open: No such file or directory
1000234;1422735473;asciilifeform;^ you don't have it?
1000235;1422735501;danielpbarron;that's not the problem; the script doesn't change directory properly after the permission error
1000236;1422735515;danielpbarron;i do have all the tarballs
1000237;1422735559;asciilifeform;remove all the intermediate crap and post output from fresh run
1000238;1422735586;asciilifeform;as in, run with just the tarballs and the required empty dir.
1000239;1422735594;danielpbarron;what about armv5tel-softfloat-linux-gnueabi ?
1000240;1422735597;asciilifeform;remember that this is not a 'makefile' and it's brick-stupid
1000241;1422735604;asciilifeform;expects exactly empty start
1000242;1422735769;asciilifeform;gotta go, will be back in a few hrs.
1000243;1422735826;danielpbarron;thank you for the pointers
1000244;1422735957;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform it's trying to do a chain reorg and failing.
1000245;1422736029;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform go can be statically compiled can it not ?
1000246;1422736118;mircea_popescu;definitely lost: 22,000 bytes in 250 blocks indirectly lost: 360,903 bytes in 10 blocks possibly lost: 90,514,354 bytes in 256 blocks 115,924,858 bytes in 450,368 blocks << this is the fucking sorriest report, like it's cs 101 over here.
1000247;1422736528;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 126850 @ 0.00036757 = 46.6263 BTC [-]
1000248;1422736907;mircea_popescu;"Now i see. Gavin announced chaos and drama to the press because he himself intends to create it. He gets a 30% veto and still wants to proceed. It's gonna rip. I just switched to Litecoin."
1000249;1422736924;mircea_popescu;heh. the first part is true, obviously. not so sure about the 2nd. bitcoin is after all based on drama and lulz.
1000250;1422736992;thestringpuller;mircea_popescu: where did you read that?
1000251;1422737034;mircea_popescu;https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=941331.msg10322233#msg10322233
1000252;1422737035;assbot;Bitcoin 20MB Fork ... ( http://bit.ly/1zILlxP )
1000253;1422737135;thestringpuller;ty
1000254;1422737151;thestringpuller;srsly 502 bad gateway?!?
1000255;1422737165;thestringpuller;theymos!!!
1000256;1422737189;mircea_popescu;lol
1000257;1422737209;mircea_popescu;https://bitcointa.lk/ down too apparently.
1000258;1422737210;assbot;Bitcointa.lk: the Bitcointalk community with a proper forum | Bitcointa.lk ... ( http://bit.ly/1zILBwQ )
1000259;1422737214;mircea_popescu;hm.
1000260;1422737241;thestringpuller;this is exactly why we can't have nice things
1000261;1422737279;danielpbarron;interesting timing
1000262;1422737306;mircea_popescu;https://www.google.com.ar/search?q=Bitcoin+20MB+Fork&complete=0 this is pretty lulzy.
1000263;1422737308;assbot;Bitcoin 20MB Fork - Buscar con Google ... ( http://bit.ly/1zILKAj )
1000264;1422737322;mircea_popescu;qntra and derivatives totally dominates teh discussion.
1000265;1422737330;mircea_popescu;clearly usg has like a majority and shit.
1000266;1422737406;thestringpuller;dude
1000267;1422737412;thestringpuller;bullbear stole my fucking title
1000268;1422737435;thestringpuller;https://bullbearanalytics.com/2015/01/23/looming-hard-fork-missile-crisis/ << lol
1000269;1422737438;mircea_popescu;tell him.
1000270;1422737447;thestringpuller;oh he referenced me
1000271;1422737450;thestringpuller;well qntra
1000272;1422737458;thestringpuller;haha cazalla and i spitballed for hours on the title XD
1000273;1422737474;mircea_popescu;not really linked it, which is weird mfa sorta behaviour.
1000274;1422737486;thestringpuller;one of them iirc was "Gavin Proposes Pooping Out New Fork"
1000275;1422737533;BingoBoingo;thestringpuller: Tell then their link doesn't work. A url encased in parenthesis can not be clicked.
1000276;1422737537;danielpbarron;i like the old thread title of "fork off"
1000277;1422737575;thestringpuller;danielpbarron: yea. i wish I was that clever.
1000278;1422737830;thestringpuller;It's like trying to replace the wheels on an old steam engine that's still running.
1000279;1422737833;thestringpuller;This is gonna be some ride for the folks back in 3rd class.
1000280;1422737837;thestringpuller;^- from cache of link
1000281;1422737916;*;BingoBoingo appreciates that my doubt an edgerouter with 512 MB of RAM could make a Bitcoin node and a week later a serious effort to make a 128 MB pogoplug is seriously iterating in a productive direction.
1000282;1422737954;mircea_popescu;tell me about it.
1000283;1422738006;ben_vulpes;it's downright heartwarming
1000284;1422738114;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 44500 @ 0.00036757 = 16.3569 BTC [-]
1000285;1422738114;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 2036 @ 0.00096835 = 1.9716 BTC [+] {6} 
1000286;1422738275;ben_vulpes;i sent one of the guys out to get me a cheese yesterday. "cheddar, sharp, really solid, aged."
1000287;1422738282;ben_vulpes;came back with tillamook extra sharp.
1000288;1422738283;ben_vulpes;*sigh*
1000289;1422738318;ben_vulpes;i do so love nasty stinky cheeses
1000290;1422738370;BingoBoingo;!up cjc
1000291;1422738409;cjc;Thanks for the voice -- managed to discover this channel while reading an article critical of increasing the block size.
1000292;1422738434;ben_vulpes;cjc: which article?
1000293;1422738436;cjc;Figured the discussions herein may be worth my idling.
1000294;1422738448;ben_vulpes;cjc: there's also log.bitcoin-assets.com
1000295;1422738455;BingoBoingo;<ben_vulpes> i do so love nasty stinky cheeses << Hypothesis, functionally smarter people prefer cheese with more smell because it indicates the presence of more, varied catecholamine precursors the brain craves.
1000296;1422738473;ben_vulpes;BingoBoingo: interesting hypothesis
1000297;1422738485;ben_vulpes;cjc: wouldn't stand for "chicago journal of commerce" by any chance?
1000298;1422738490;mircea_popescu;lol.
1000299;1422738500;mircea_popescu;cjc read the logs, linked in topic. there's a search function too.
1000300;1422738541;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 54350 @ 0.000367 = 19.9465 BTC [-] {2} 
1000301;1422738593;cjc;ben_vulpes, This article and the comments and links within it. ->    http://www.contravex.com/2014/10/07/how-a-bigger-blockchain-is-less-secure-and-why-block-size-aint-gonna-increase-any-time-soon/
1000302;1422738594;assbot;How A Bigger Blockchain Is Less Secure And Why Block Size Ain't Gonna Increase Any Time Soon | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski ... ( http://bit.ly/1zINIRn )
1000303;1422738621;mircea_popescu;that'd be pete_dushenski
1000304;1422738626;cjc;mircea_popescu, thank you :)
1000305;1422738666;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo that is actually the theory i've "come up with" myself.
1000306;1422738675;cjc;ben_vulpes, no cjc are merely my initials.
1000307;1422738681;cjc; /msg NickServ INFO cjc
1000308;1422738703;cjc;I've also nabbed the first/last initials as a nick and grouped them too.
1000309;1422738759;mircea_popescu;cjc since you've apparently been around for a while : any merit to teh rumous of freenode slowly going to shit ?
1000310;1422738761;BingoBoingo;<mircea_popescu> BingoBoingo that is actually the theory i've "come up with" myself. << I've accepted that the American conditioning to remove all the flavors if it isn't explicitly done to cultivate stupid, continues with stupid accepted as a positive side effect.
1000311;1422738867;cjc;mircea_popescu, The node I connect to in Chicago has been down inconveniently quite a bit in 2014, morgan.freenode.net. My observation of #freenode staffer availability in the past two months has been it is hit or miss for new users requesting cloaks and such.
1000312;1422738882;mircea_popescu;meant more like over the past half decade.
1000313;1422738912;cjc;Yes, when I started coming here before I registered my nick in 2003 --
1000314;1422738922;cjc;There were developers here and like minded people seeking collaboration.
1000315;1422738940;cjc;We now find many more casual users with a "multi-chat" Facebook type desire to use the network.
1000316;1422738966;cjc;Its not really held up to the focus as established, perhaps due to insufficient moderation or self enforcement.
1000317;1422738969;cjc;What are your thoughts?
1000318;1422738998;mircea_popescu;seems to me kinda drifting without rudder, hoping it won't meet any serious icebergs.
1000319;1422739140;cjc;Frankly, Freenode would be akin to one of the last standing freenets of the early 90s. If there was ever a problem with regard to insufficient support for the network monetarily --
1000320;1422739170;cjc;I do not believe there would be a problem soliciting donations from users who find this the place to host their projects and to meet and talk with others about the same.
1000321;1422739209;cjc;Channel population hasn't changed too dramatically in the last decade in #gentoo where I spend most of my time.
1000322;1422739220;thestringpuller;lol gentoo
1000323;1422739238;mircea_popescu;there was recently a problem with a nsa infiltration that's still being "investigated".
1000324;1422739256;mircea_popescu;there's more to money than just getting five thousand people to send you ten bux.
1000325;1422739260;thestringpuller;http://xkcd.com/456/ << relevant xkcd
1000326;1422739328;cjc;lol, yes its an obsessive compulsive compatible OS
1000327;1422739348;mircea_popescu;but it doesn;t have to be!!
1000328;1422739357;cjc;mircea_popescu, I did not apparently catch the news with regard to NSA infiltration.
1000329;1422739376;cjc;I wouldn't be surprised if it was part of the issues I experienced with morgan.freenode.net this year.
1000330;1422739383;mircea_popescu;http://blog.freenode.net/2014/10/server-issues-update/
1000331;1422739384;assbot;Server Issues: Update | staffblog ... ( http://bit.ly/1BGv9Z4 )
1000332;1422739396;danielpbarron;lol thestringpuller, that last frame was me last night :/
1000333;1422739411;scoopbot;New post on Qntra.net by Bingo Boingo: http://qntra.net/2015/01/mcdonalds-creates-limited-redemption-altcoin/
1000334;1422739423;thestringpuller;LOL
1000335;1422739429;thestringpuller;this i must read
1000336;1422739436;thestringpuller;danielpbarron: what were you compiling into your kernel?
1000337;1422739438;cjc;I do recall this article now that you mention it.
1000338;1422739450;danielpbarron;trying to get bitcoind to compile
1000339;1422739467;danielpbarron;"this time i'll work and then i can sleep"
1000340;1422739470;danielpbarron;it'll*
1000341;1422739485;mircea_popescu;danielpbarron welcome to engineering.
1000342;1422739489;mircea_popescu;this is how this profession goes.
1000343;1422739507;mircea_popescu;(doctors don't sleep either. allegedly for different reasons._)
1000344;1422739533;thestringpuller;mircea_popescu: doctors have you know...drugs
1000345;1422739579;assbot;[MPEX] [FT] [X.EUR] 217 @ 0.00489784 = 1.0628 BTC [+] {2} 
1000346;1422739828;cjc;How does BingoBoingo work, am I grand a 30 minute one time voice in the channel and then able to simply lurk?
1000347;1422739842;cjc;s/grand/granted/
1000348;1422739847;BingoBoingo;lol I'm a bot again!
1000349;1422739852;BingoBoingo;!b 3
1000350;1422739853;assbot;Last 3 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/17A3Y24.txt )
1000351;1422739853;mircea_popescu;lol
1000352;1422739857;BingoBoingo;!up cjc
1000353;1422739860;mircea_popescu;haha spoiled oyur bash too.
1000354;1422739879;mircea_popescu;cjc if you're in assbot's wot, you get to voice yourself. if not, people who are can voice you in half hour chunks.
1000355;1422739887;mircea_popescu;!gettrust assbot BingoBoingo
1000356;1422739888;assbot;Trust relationship from user assbot to user BingoBoingo: Level 1: 1, Level 2: 11 via 11 connections. | http://w.b-a.link/trust/assbot/BingoBoingo | http://w.b-a.link/user/BingoBoingo
1000357;1422739891;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: Nope http://dpaste.com/17A3Y24.txt
1000358;1422739892;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1zIPq5d )
1000359;1422739892;mircea_popescu;like that.
1000360;1422739932;cjc;Thanks mircea_popescu, BingoBoingo :)
1000361;1422739948;mircea_popescu;cjc see also http://trilema.com/2014/bitcoin-assets-m/ and perhaps http://trilema.com/2013/bitcoin-assets-rules-and-regulations/
1000362;1422739948;assbot;#bitcoin-assets +m pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.  ... ( http://bit.ly/1zIPuSm )
1000363;1422739949;assbot;#bitcoin-assets rules and regulations pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.  ... ( http://bit.ly/13Yy3yb )
1000364;1422740063;BingoBoingo;Also http://wiki.bitcoin-assets.com/irc_bots/assbot
1000365;1422740063;assbot;irc_bots:assbot [bitcoin assets wiki] ... ( http://bit.ly/1zIPF03 )
1000366;1422740157;cjc;Cool, thanks -- Mostly, I'm around overnight hours in CST -- as I work 3rd shift.
1000367;1422740197;mircea_popescu;the city never sleeps
1000368;1422740205;mircea_popescu;also
1000369;1422740210;cjc;I was on one of these Trilema pages earlier today, but didn't understand what the Lord of Bitcoins page was all about when I landed there linked from an article.
1000370;1422740212;mircea_popescu;;;later tell cjc doesn't really matter
1000371;1422740212;gribble;The operation succeeded.
1000372;1422740224;mircea_popescu;lord of bitcoins page ?!
1000373;1422740242;mircea_popescu;that flatley fellow ?
1000374;1422740243;ben_vulpes;lordship list
1000375;1422740257;cjc;This one, http://trilema.com/2014/the-bitcoin-lordship-list-first-revision/
1000376;1422740257;assbot;The Bitcoin Lordship list, first revision pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.  ... ( http://bit.ly/1BGzsDD )
1000377;1422740265;mircea_popescu;btw ben_vulpes im thinking, at first conference dinner... we have roast party ?
1000378;1422740289;ben_vulpes;oh ho ho ho
1000379;1422740297;ben_vulpes;i gotta cook up some roasts then
1000380;1422740302;mircea_popescu;lemme ask ppls
1000381;1422740305;mircea_popescu;$conference
1000382;1422740312;cjc;During the articles critical of G.A., the above page was linked to... along the way, I discovered this channel.
1000383;1422740330;mircea_popescu;hm empy died ? nao i gotta google
1000384;1422740378;mircea_popescu;mod6 hanbot asciilifeform roast at conference, yes ?
1000385;1422740413;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes you'd better come up wioth good shit, i already have some fucking killers for you mr.
1000386;1422740418;ben_vulpes;ugh
1000387;1422740422;ben_vulpes;i'm not actually funny!
1000388;1422740439;mod6;mircea_popescu: sure!
1000389;1422740444;mircea_popescu;go out all over portland and date until you find a funny woman.
1000390;1422740457;ben_vulpes;so is it a round robin roastage? everyone roasts in turn?
1000391;1422740461;mod6;wait... does this mean a roast of meat? or of personalities?
1000392;1422740469;BingoBoingo;!b 2
1000393;1422740470;assbot;Last 2 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/31MY0KB.txt )
1000394;1422740471;mircea_popescu;of personalities.
1000395;1422740471;ben_vulpes;i think as host you should be c3's target
1000396;1422740489;mod6;oh jeeze. lol. i'd be terrible at that.
1000397;1422740491;mircea_popescu;nah, here in bitcoin we believe in democracy.
1000398;1422740494;mircea_popescu;everyone roasts everyone.
1000399;1422740577;ben_vulpes;mk i can probably cook something up
1000400;1422740582;mircea_popescu;and notes allowed not in excess of 256 characters.
1000401;1422740596;ben_vulpes;man talk about insider baseball this shit's not even going to be proofable against other humans
1000402;1422740609;mircea_popescu;lol
1000403;1422740615;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 132911 @ 0.00037085 = 49.29 BTC [+] {2} 
1000404;1422740619;ben_vulpes;you're so privileged, mircea_popescu!
1000405;1422740622;mircea_popescu;kinda what makes it good, yeah
1000406;1422740633;ben_vulpes;you and hanbot get to dial yours in
1000407;1422740633;mircea_popescu;it's like... the only true comedic venue left.
1000408;1422740654;mircea_popescu;whatcha mean dial in /
1000409;1422740654;ben_vulpes;my poor ego will never recover
1000410;1422740659;ben_vulpes;practice and hone
1000411;1422740665;mircea_popescu;lol
1000412;1422740676;ben_vulpes;not fair
1000413;1422740677;mircea_popescu;hey, i didn't tell you to spend all day typing ruby or w/e you do. boost.
1000414;1422740700;ben_vulpes;not only do you intend to pauperize me but also demoralize
1000415;1422740717;ben_vulpes;someone remind me why i do anything
1000416;1422740725;mircea_popescu;40 virgins ?
1000417;1422740752;mircea_popescu;not in the sense of, women. in the sense of, mindboggling challenges.
1000418;1422740761;ben_vulpes;that's for the sons of ishmael
1000419;1422740771;ben_vulpes;i'll settle for my mother's praise
1000420;1422740779;mircea_popescu;the correct spellings is i'm so ashamed not ishmael.
1000421;1422740785;mod6;here i was all excited. like "YES PIG ROAST TIME!!!"
1000422;1422740805;mircea_popescu;mod6 it is not legal in argentina to convene more than six people outside of the presence of roasted meat.
1000423;1422740818;mircea_popescu;they come read you the meat riot and sedition acts and then start shooting
1000424;1422740819;mircea_popescu;sausage.
1000425;1422740859;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 64600 @ 0.0003673 = 23.7276 BTC [-]
1000426;1422740868;mod6;haha. imagine a good law.
1000427;1422740872;ben_vulpes;oh man argentine blood sausage
1000428;1422740989;BingoBoingo;I thought beef and not pigs is what the Argentines roasted
1000429;1422741012;mircea_popescu;they roast whatever gets in their way.
1000430;1422741033;mircea_popescu;they'd roast the vanishingly small african community if those dudes didn't run so fasty.
1000431;1422741173;cazalla;looks like isis carved up another jap https://sendvid.com/nphywh91 pretty sure western media claimed johadi john was dead too but he's back in that video
1000432;1422741174;assbot;Sendvid - Instant video upload ... ( http://bit.ly/1BGE9xl )
1000433;1422741612;BingoBoingo;;;bc,stats
1000434;1422741616;gribble;Current Blocks: 341376 | Current Difficulty: 4.127287389469702E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 342719 | Next Difficulty In: 1343 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 1 day, 10 hours, 43 minutes, and 1 second | Next Difficulty Estimate: 45287162310.3 | Estimated Percent Change: 9.72621
1000435;1422741642;BingoBoingo;Huh, GAW stopped mining and difficulty still looks to be on the upswing.
1000436;1422741681;mircea_popescu;impossibru. who outside of cazalla and anyone thinking could have predicted this!
1000437;1422741700;mats;you mean they weren't mining to begin with? the horror.
1000438;1422741739;BingoBoingo;!b 3
1000439;1422741740;assbot;Last 3 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/2FFFPT9.txt )
1000440;1422741776;davout;ben_vulpes: "oh man argentine blood sausage" <<< yes. please.
1000441;1422741788;mircea_popescu;you coming frenchie ?
1000442;1422741816;davout;i probably will
1000443;1422741839;mircea_popescu;roast ?
1000444;1422741857;davout;danielpbarron cazalla Apocalyptic the railzand guy not only has locked the fork off topic but seems to have started a #b-a log digest bitcointalk thread
1000445;1422741881;BingoBoingo;Link?
1000446;1422741888;davout;mircea_popescu: that does count as food
1000447;1422741888;mircea_popescu;mayb someone should tell him fluffypony was actually looking to payu someone to do this ?
1000448;1422741905;mircea_popescu;davout no, roast as in https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y53JLJDOEvE
1000449;1422741907;assbot;Don Rickles al Roast di Sammy Davis jr (1975) | SUB ITA - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1vmkRk4 )
1000450;1422741911;davout;BingoBoingo: see his sig, https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=940941.0
1000451;1422741911;assbot;A summary of the logs ... ( http://bit.ly/1vmkTbR )
1000452;1422741935;BingoBoingo;Thx davout
1000453;1422741939;davout;also the qntra mobile is pretty nice!
1000454;1422741949;BingoBoingo;Thanks.
1000455;1422741961;BingoBoingo;It is still the same as qntra desktop.
1000456;1422741966;davout;i'm kinda disappoint that it had to be google telling you
1000457;1422742011;davout;imma go hang out in that 20m new thread, see what lulz may be extracted
1000458;1422742012;mats;this log summary is terrible
1000459;1422742055;davout;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=31-01-2015#999675 <<< not that there is such a thing as 'american cheese', slightly less poisonous plastic maybe
1000460;1422742055;assbot;Logged on 31-01-2015 04:57:44; asciilifeform: incidentally (non-u.s. folks) if you visit usa and are offered 'american cheese' - run, not walk, to exit
1000461;1422742073;davout;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=31-01-2015#999683 <<< want. need. desire.
1000462;1422742073;assbot;Logged on 31-01-2015 04:59:10; mircea_popescu: asciilifeform it's a chunk of pine bark
1000463;1422742084;mircea_popescu;davout duh. it's great too.
1000464;1422742102;mircea_popescu;(pine is whey boiled first, make it more placid)
1000465;1422742106;BingoBoingo;davout: Well google was more the catalyst for doing it now. That and having picked up a Smatr PNohe to actually test on.
1000466;1422742135;davout;qntra is now officially pooping-friendly
1000467;1422742173;ben_vulpes;yess
1000468;1422742176;ben_vulpes;cannot poop without internet
1000469;1422742182;ben_vulpes;now has qntra for poops
1000470;1422742182;davout;cazalla's paybase adds should actually be displayed if 'reddit' is found in the referrer string
1000471;1422742197;cazalla;lol
1000472;1422742229;davout;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=31-01-2015#1000123 <<< 'scratch your own itch' makes sense tho
1000473;1422742229;assbot;Logged on 31-01-2015 19:13:51; fluffypony: but all their FOSS work is pretty much to further their own endeavours
1000474;1422742243;BingoBoingo;<davout> cazalla's paybase adds should actually be displayed if 'reddit' is found in the referrer string But links to Plsdont://paybase.on.nimp.org
1000475;1422742318;davout;BingoBoingo: what is that? google tells me achtung
1000476;1422742352;punkman;I only remember it's something bad
1000477;1422742387;punkman;probably won't do anything without javascript though
1000478;1422742422;mircea_popescu;or flesh
1000479;1422742423;BingoBoingo;davout: Shock site. Basically subject.thatdomain opens a cascade of eye rape and screaming. The popups induce more panic than the classic "pain series"
1000480;1422742425;mircea_popescu;i mean flash
1000481;1422742498;mircea_popescu;mats they're not really that bad ?
1000482;1422742874;mircea_popescu;"A sampling of 30% of average forum users isn't the same as 30% of the community, and certainly not the ecosystem. In reality individual users and organizations carry different weight. At the end of the day people who believe in Bitcoin (and invest their money into it) will do what they can to protect that value. The fork which has the most economic value will be the one most likely to survive with confidence of those
1000483;1422742874;mircea_popescu;who continue to accept it."
1000484;1422742884;mircea_popescu;lmao @forum. it has NOW discovered the importance of stuff.
1000485;1422742901;mircea_popescu;funny how this wasn't a consideration before, because "unanimous."
1000486;1422742916;BingoBoingo;http://www.birdwatchersdigest.com/bwdsite/learn/hummingbirds/mantis-hummer.php?sc=migrate
1000487;1422742917;assbot;Praying Mantis Makes Meal of a Hummingbird | Bird Watcher's Digest ... ( http://bit.ly/1BGMMIi )
1000488;1422742921;mircea_popescu;"My understanding is a lot of heavily weighted entities in the ecosystem already support Gavin's proposed course."
1000489;1422742924;mats;i suppose i'm being harsh. it could use better formatting and some context (maybe links to where author commentary refers?).
1000490;1422742926;mircea_popescu;hello backwards world!
1000491;1422743004;mats;who is that anyway?
1000492;1422743014;mircea_popescu;no idea.
1000493;1422743055;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 51700 @ 0.00036859 = 19.0561 BTC [+]
1000494;1422743096;cazalla;anyone know if these cheap shit chinese dlsr lenses are good enough?
1000495;1422743102;mircea_popescu;good enough for what ?
1000496;1422743122;punkman;cazalla, what are you looking for?
1000497;1422743177;cazalla;umm, not even hobbyist photos really.. punkman i want to get a macro lense for taking photos of the bugs and insects that inhabit my garden.. the mantis comment above just reminded me
1000498;1422743194;mats;i've thought about doing summaries for a while, but i've been preempted
1000499;1422743196;punkman;get an adapter for old SLR lenses, and some macro tubes
1000500;1422743234;punkman;what brand is your camera?
1000501;1422743258;cazalla;i've got a nikon, cheaper d3100
1000502;1422743314;BingoBoingo;Wow https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=941331.msg10322942#msg10322942
1000503;1422743315;assbot;Bitcoin 20MB Fork ... ( http://bit.ly/1BGORUt )
1000504;1422743321;punkman;macro tubes and lens with manual aperture/focus will work well
1000505;1422743604;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 94416 @ 0.00036859 = 34.8008 BTC [+]
1000506;1422743748;mircea_popescu;cazalla anything shoul work ok really, get whatever's accessible.
1000507;1422743785;mircea_popescu;http://trilema.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/06/extruziune.jpg << this was made freehand with a potato.
1000508;1422743786;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1BGRtSc )
1000509;1422743909;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 123800 @ 0.00036859 = 45.6314 BTC [+]
1000510;1422743987;punkman;cazalla: here's one for you http://imgur.com/ZnuA8SY,ZZYNyEq#0
1000511;1422743988;assbot;                        imgur: the simple image sharer ... ( http://bit.ly/1BGSycW )
1000512;1422744214;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 178000 @ 0.00036481 = 64.9362 BTC [-] {3} 
1000513;1422744322;cazalla;punkman, yeah but i want them from my garden, not on window
1000514;1422744343;cazalla;first time i've grown watermelon and it seems to have attracted some bee that is really yellow, looks great
1000515;1422744390;cazalla;quite a few mantis around after carrot fly too
1000516;1422744459;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 190247 @ 0.0003583 = 68.1655 BTC [-] {2} 
1000517;1422744503;punkman;cazalla, hard to do macro from a distance
1000518;1422744530;cazalla;punkman, i can sit and wait until he comes my way :)
1000519;1422744585;BingoBoingo;cazalla: I though Australia was the sort of place where insects hunt you
1000520;1422744610;punkman;as to the chinese lenses, they mostly work, many don't fill the entire frame though
1000521;1422744625;cazalla;BingoBoingo, well yeah, missus does a spider check in the kid's play pen each morning.. found 2 spiders to date
1000522;1422744645;mircea_popescu;and ate them.
1000523;1422744651;BingoBoingo;Ah, so the rumors are true.
1000524;1422744748;cazalla;punkman, would they improve on something like this that i've taken with 15-55mm lens? http://imgur.com/VXVbfdC
1000525;1422744749;assbot;                        imgur: the simple image sharer ... ( http://bit.ly/1BGWoCQ )
1000526;1422744763;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 107700 @ 0.00035433 = 38.1613 BTC [-] {3} 
1000527;1422744876;punkman;cazalla, you'll be able to do more stuff with manual lens
1000528;1422745042;asciilifeform;go can be statically compiled can it not << it has a runtime.
1000529;1422745100;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo appreciates ... serious effort to make a 128 MB pogoplug is seriously iterating in a productive << it has yet to be established for certain that this thing can be a reasonable node
1000530;1422745143;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: If it can't the exercise would reveal a lower bound to target.
1000531;1422745219;asciilifeform;anyone know if these cheap shit chinese dlsr lenses are good enough << can't speak for the dslr ones, but chinese c-mounts (microscope, in my case) are entirely acceptable
1000532;1422745228;BingoBoingo;Jury megalol http://www.cnn.com/2015/01/30/us/massachusetts-aaron-hernandez-trial/
1000533;1422745229;assbot;Judge to Aaron Hernandez jury: Enjoy Super Bowl but be vigilant  - CNN.com ... ( http://bit.ly/1BGYMcN )
1000534;1422745373;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: in principle, anything -can- - can allow it to swap and destroy ssd rather less slowly
1000535;1422745399;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: at present, i've swap switched off
1000536;1422745889;mats;>Hernandez's DNA also was found on a .45-caliber shell casing found in a car he had rented.
1000537;1422745903;mats;Sounds suspiciously like he was wearing the piece 'like a gangsta' and sweat into the damn weapon.
1000538;1422745936;mats;er, bad construction, but you get the idea...
1000539;1422745989;mats;nope, nm, i misread.
1000540;1422746002;asciilifeform;danielpbarron: didja get it built ?
1000541;1422746248;danielpbarron;nope; i'm making a gentoo bootable flashdrive now
1000542;1422746281;danielpbarron;my ubuntu install is too messy and i'm not sure it even supports the cross compiler
1000543;1422746853;asciilifeform;jurov: any chance of switching the lxr to the merged tree? the win32isms etc. grate on the eye.
1000544;1422746877;jurov;you mean 0.5.3.1?
1000545;1422746883;asciilifeform;aha
1000546;1422746907;asciilifeform;also, can that thing cough up static html in tarball for offline viewing ?
1000547;1422746922;asciilifeform;or would that require actual work
1000548;1422746940;jurov;afaik only by crawling
1000549;1422746947;asciilifeform;nm then
1000550;1422746948;BingoBoingo;!up GoMaD
1000551;1422746950;jurov;the urls are reasonably static
1000552;1422747050;mircea_popescu;check this out : http://www.reddit.com/r/bitcoin/about/traffic vs http://www.reddit.com/r/buttcoin/about/traffic
1000553;1422747052;assbot;traffic stats ... ( http://bit.ly/1DrRs79 )
1000554;1422747054;assbot;traffic stats ... ( http://bit.ly/1DrRs7l )
1000555;1422747061;mircea_popescu;in the great internet battle pitting idiots against trolls... the trolls are winning.
1000556;1422747066;mircea_popescu;whocouldhavepredicted.jpg
1000557;1422747201;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu, davout: look through orphanage for % of blocks more than 10% off the difficulty << interesting idea
1000558;1422747351;asciilifeform;pete_dushenski: 0.9.0.3... ...i thought this would be a good training wheels program before tackling 0.5.3 << the recent turdballs are considerably gnarlier than 0.5.3, and have rather peculiar behaviours of their own. avoid.
1000559;1422747386;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 65819 @ 0.00036859 = 24.2602 BTC [+]
1000560;1422747691;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 103100 @ 0.00036075 = 37.1933 BTC [-]
1000561;1422747969;asciilifeform;re: gentoo:
1000562;1422747978;asciilifeform;it is really defined by 'unfeatures.'
1000563;1422747981;asciilifeform;;;google unfeature antifeature
1000564;1422747982;gribble;No matches found.
1000565;1422748000;asciilifeform;;;google unfeature anti-feature
1000566;1422748000;gribble;No matches found.
1000567;1422748005;asciilifeform;rip google.
1000568;1422748034;BingoBoingo;http://blog.djm.net.au/2015/02/key-rotation-in-openssh-68.html
1000569;1422748035;assbot;djm's personal weblog: Key rotation in OpenSSH 6.8+ ... ( http://bit.ly/1DrU5WH )
1000570;1422748210;mircea_popescu;"all internet security is a slow, half-assed, dubious reimplementation of gossipd. pity gossipd itself doesn't exist yet."
1000571;1422748250;asciilifeform;^ who said ?
1000572;1422748264;mircea_popescu;me.
1000573;1422748276;mircea_popescu;how's bastard btw ?
1000574;1422748290;asciilifeform;204139.
1000575;1422748299;asciilifeform;actively pumping.
1000576;1422748307;thestringpuller;hue hue
1000577;1422748313;thestringpuller;pumping
1000578;1422748314;mircea_popescu;pretty cool.
1000579;1422748356;asciilifeform;anyone who wants to try bastard, can make a temporary copy of tree merged up to 5.3.1 and apply the skull'n'crossbone patch.
1000580;1422748378;asciilifeform;change constant to something reasonable.
1000581;1422748581;cazalla;hilarious https://twitter.com/vincib/status/561641812948164608
1000582;1422748583;assbot;Third pass addressing the more common pseudo-arguments raised by the people that like the Gavin scamcoin proposal: http://t.co/oQfE8dIu1s
1000583;1422748713;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform and if cca 280k this choickes to, what do we do ? what's heron sense say ?
1000584;1422748726;asciilifeform;280?
1000585;1422748727;asciilifeform;why there
1000586;1422748728;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 112200 @ 0.00036075 = 40.4762 BTC [-]
1000587;1422748731;mircea_popescu;hunch
1000588;1422748736;asciilifeform;also that thing's running on a titanic x86 box
1000589;1422748739;mircea_popescu;cazalla lol
1000590;1422748795;*;asciilifeform has two 'pogos' but one is virginal and sitting in crate; it is to be used to test the auto-deflorator (flash virgin unit by plugging into deflowered one)