914944;1415467877;jurov;let the browser format the text and offer raw text for download 914945;1415467966;mircea_popescu;bounce i hate nothing more than downloading a "text" document and instead getting a "text+markup that's identical to text and only works on obsolete machinery anyway" 914946;1415467998;jurov;yes, hard-pre-wrapped text is hard to work with 914947;1415468002;mircea_popescu;then i have to run it through complex fucking awk to make it sane again 914948;1415468315;punkbot;Confirmed bundle 15W7cVuzjXHvVqw6vcySq6jr9qq8Kv9SCH | http://deeds.bitcoin-assets.com/b/15W7cVuz 914949;1415468490;*;bounce has awk to put the overly long lines into something comfortably readable. screens may get bigger and bigger, but the comfy line length doesn't change 914950;1415468525;jurov;just resize the window? 914951;1415468535;mircea_popescu;and is magically the same for everyone ? 914952;1415468539;mircea_popescu;i dunno, i think i read about 110 914953;1415468546;mircea_popescu;may be related to what books one grew up reading. 914954;1415468548;jurov;on portable device, one may leed less than 80 914955;1415468555;mircea_popescu;usually yes. 914956;1415468905;mircea_popescu;bounce in any case, consider that putting a \n every 80th character is a lot easier than extracting spurious \ns 914957;1415468952;bounce;oh I don't know that. if the lines get long enough things get "interesting" in a hurry 914958;1415468971;bounce;smtp and 998 characters, for example 914959;1415469003;mircea_popescu;its still buggy ?! 914960;1415469316;jurov;irc and 400 characters :D 914961;1415469415;mircea_popescu;123456789a123456789b123456789c123456789d123456789e123456789a123456789b123456789c123456789d123456789e123456789a123456789b123456789c123456789d123456789e123456789a123456789b123456789c123456789d123456789e123456789a123456789b123456789c123456789d123456789e123456789a123456789b123456789c123456789d123456789e123456789a123456789b123456789c123456789d123456789e123456789a123456789b123456789c123456789d123456789e123456789a123456789b12 914962;1415469415;mircea_popescu;3456789c123456789d123456789e 914963;1415469441;mircea_popescu;423 ? 914964;1415469476;bounce;510 actually, but including :you@your.host.whatever PRIVMSG #channel 914965;1415469507;mircea_popescu;ah yes. 914966;1415469550;mircea_popescu;i imagine ba-ircd will use 1024 or something. 914967;1415469553;mircea_popescu;this is a little narrow. 914968;1415469779;jurov;i supported 4096B http headers in ziproxy 914969;1415469783;jurov;users bitched 914970;1415469791;jurov;it ended up 4M 914971;1415469844;bounce;per line? that sounds a little excessive. 914972;1415469861;mircea_popescu;http://ziproxy.sourceforge.net/contact.html ? 914973;1415469861;assbot;Ziproxy - Contact 914974;1415469866;jurov;yes that 914975;1415469921;jurov;but twas 10 years ago, it has new maintainer since 914976;1415469934;mircea_popescu;aha 914977;1415470175;jurov;iirc some sites sent insane megabyte cookies 914978;1415470221;mircea_popescu;those sites not functioning sounds like a blessing. 914979;1415470816;ben_vulpes;jurov: https://code.google.com/p/american-fuzzy-lop/ << fascinating 914980;1415470817;assbot; american-fuzzy-lop - A practical, instrumentation-driven fuzzer for binary formats - Google Project Hosting 914981;1415470995;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo: The thing is... Other my email is listed. Looks more like spear fisherman. << nah actually looks legit. 914982;1415471064;mircea_popescu;dignork: bounce: proposition of CA issued cert for tor hidden service still puzzles me, next stop - yellow pages for black market vendors << nah, it's quite obvious, BingoBoingo has it : us sponsored terrorism. 914983;1415471073;mircea_popescu;"those people's laws aren't really laws, our laws are really laws". 914984;1415471131;mircea_popescu;bounce: ... and do so in a way that makes your browser bar turn a nice comforting colour << that. 914985;1415471204;mircea_popescu;cazalla: where did i read about gold and problem of keeping it safe before? << heh. and they mention it, too, because they're cultured and stuff. o.O 914986;1415471310;mircea_popescu;jurov: and next time read teh rules << uh what'd i miss ? 914987;1415471336;jurov;i think he got devoiced due to nick changes 914988;1415471406;mircea_popescu;a 914989;1415471546;ben_vulpes;bitcoin-assets is best alternate reality game 914990;1415471556;xanthyos;heh 914991;1415471564;kakobrekla;also best shell 914992;1415471589;mircea_popescu;yea srsly. 914993;1415471601;ben_vulpes;#!/irc/#bitcoin-assets 914994;1415471670;ben_vulpes;mircea_popescu: why do you put a space before semicolons? 914995;1415471680;ben_vulpes;and colons? 914996;1415471695;mircea_popescu;for visibility. 914997;1415471709;mircea_popescu;(and question marks) 914998;1415471866;asciilifeform;http://pastebin.com/HVGxdJ0m << historic 914999;1415471866;assbot;-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA512 Title: BITCOIN DECLARATION O - Pastebin.com 915000;1415471892;mircea_popescu;o hai asciilifeform 915001;1415471925;asciilifeform;where do i 'hancock' 915002;1415471948;mircea_popescu;well, sign the text put it in the deeds 915003;1415471953;asciilifeform;gotta sign, so we 'all hang together or separately' (as, i think, were the words of the americans.) 915004;1415471971;ben_vulpes;.deed http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=4GSHjhrw 915005;1415471972;punkbot;ben_vulpes: Queued 1 valid deed for next bundle. 915006;1415472005;ben_vulpes;my own execution warrant. 915007;1415472019;mircea_popescu;lol, hey, gotta go somehow. 915008;1415472024;mircea_popescu;better than a car crash. 915009;1415472114;asciilifeform;.deed http://pastebin.com/Ty0YMXU6 915010;1415472114;assbot;-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Title: BITCOIN DECLARATION OF - Pastebin.com 915011;1415472114;punkbot;asciilifeform: Queued 1 valid deed for next bundle. 915012;1415472555;mircea_popescu;sooo where are these nude photos of Miss Teen USA 2013 ? 915013;1415472593;punkbot;Bundled 2 deeds | http://deeds.bitcoin-assets.com/b/1HAMmA7Z 915014;1415472692;ben_vulpes;perhaps some bezzletrons will satisfy? http://twicsy.com/i/r84UNf 915015;1415472693;assbot;_lauradfbennett : Re-united with my bezzletrons http://t.co/yMXHkT5m5q | Twicsy - Twitter Picture Discovery 915016;1415472776;mircea_popescu;da fuck is that ? 915017;1415473022;*;ben_vulpes shrugs 915018;1415473156;chetty;is there a crib sheet somewhere on using the deed thingy? 915019;1415473201;ben_vulpes;.h 915020;1415473204;ben_vulpes;.help 915021;1415473204;punkbot;ben_vulpes: (help [] []) -- This command gives a useful description of what does. is only necessary if the command is in more than one plugin. You may also want to use the 'list' command to list all available plugins and commands. 915022;1415473210;ben_vulpes;.help deed 915023;1415473210;punkbot;ben_vulpes: (deed [url]) -- the bot will search [url] for signed deeds and queue them. 915024;1415473233;ben_vulpes;.help list 915025;1415473233;punkbot;ben_vulpes: Error: There is no command "list". 915026;1415473238;ben_vulpes;.list 915027;1415473245;ben_vulpes;i recall doing this before... 915028;1415473375;punkbot;Confirmed bundle 1HAMmA7Zb6815zGB4A977B7pcvog78zsWD | http://deeds.bitcoin-assets.com/b/1HAMmA7Z 915029;1415473396;jurov;.help help 915030;1415473396;punkbot;jurov: (help [] []) -- This command gives a useful description of what does. is only necessary if the command is in more than one plugin. You may also want to use the 'list' command to list all available plugins and commands. 915031;1415473878;punkman;chetty: is there a crib sheet somewhere on using the deed thingy? << it's just one command! 915032;1415474269;BingoBoingo;.deed http://dpaste.com/1366QWC 915033;1415474270;assbot;dpaste: 1366QWC 915034;1415474270;punkbot;BingoBoingo: Queued 1 valid deed for next bundle. 915035;1415474419;BingoBoingo;qntra.net/2014/11/bitcoin-declaration-of-sovereignty-filed/ 915036;1415474422;thestringpuller;I wonder which corporations will move to that profit model 915037;1415474426;thestringpuller;or structure profits to make donations 915038;1415474495;scoopbot;New post on Qntra.net by Bingo Boingo: http://qntra.net/2014/11/bitcoin-declaration-of-sovereignty-filed/ 915039;1415475617;ben_vulpes;.deed http://dpaste.com/1CSCD1G.txt 915040;1415475618;punkbot;ben_vulpes: Queued 1 valid deed for next bundle. 915041;1415475623;ben_vulpes;.deed http://dpaste.com/1MMVM04.txt 915042;1415475623;punkbot;ben_vulpes: Queued 1 valid deed for next bundle. 915043;1415475624;scoopbot;New post on Qntra.net by Bingo Boingo: http://qntra.net/2014/11/flashback-gavin-andresen/ 915044;1415475688;ben_vulpes;i don't think that dating these things is necessary. they embed in the blockchain, after all. 915045;1415475978;ben_vulpes;;;rate jurov 4 915046;1415475978;gribble;Rating entry successful. Your rating for user jurov has changed from 3 to 4. 915047;1415476037;Pierre_Rochard;“pay a tax in sum of 0.1% or a hundred thousand satoshi per full Bitcoin realised” <- Is this tax on profit or revenues? 915048;1415476199;punkbot;Bundled 3 deeds | http://deeds.bitcoin-assets.com/b/1AsyzbGx 915049;1415476488;ben_vulpes;how does a tax on revenues make any sense? 915050;1415476515;ben_vulpes;Pierre_Rochard ^^ 915051;1415476548;ben_vulpes;imagine the pathological case where an operation's barely scraping by with margins of, oh let's just say 0.1%. 915052;1415476968;Pierre_Rochard;ben_vulpes: both tax on revenues and tax on profits have their pros and cons. So I’m assuming the answer to my question is that it’s a tax on profits 915053;1415477038;ben_vulpes;Pierre_Rochard: okay so indulge me, because i know nothing about the pros and cons of taxation: what are the benefits of taxing revenues? 915054;1415477120;BingoBoingo;http://tenthamendmentcenter.com/2014/11/07/local-police-can-arrest-federal-agents-it-just-happened-in-salt-lake-city/ 915055;1415477121;assbot;Local Police CAN Arrest Federal Agents: It just happened in Salt Lake City | Tenth Amendment Center 915056;1415477136;Pierre_Rochard;off the top of my head: (1) avoid companies playing games with expenses to minimize taxable profits (2) widen the base to unprofitable and break-even companies (why should they be indirectly subsidized by profitable companies) 915057;1415477162;*;BingoBoingo enjoying that out cult nao has an official tithe 915058;1415477195;Pierre_Rochard;for example: amazon would pay little to no tax on profits. Yet their consuming lots of benefits from the state (presumably) 915059;1415477203;Pierre_Rochard;yet they’re* 915060;1415477281;ben_vulpes;profitless companies don't really fly in la serenissima. yet, at least. 915061;1415477422;ben_vulpes;and in any case, those tithing will make the call on their own. 915062;1415477442;bounce;you know, first time I see this thing is it getting signed. 915063;1415477451;bounce;bit of a bummer, I'd say. 915064;1415477462;Pierre_Rochard;noted, just curiousity from my inner accountant 915065;1415477491;mircea_popescu;chetty http://trilema.com/2014/the-bitcoin-assets-deed-system/ maybe ? 915066;1415477491;assbot;The #bitcoin-assets deed system pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. 915067;1415477503;ben_vulpes;bounce: you want discussion of it? a wiki? 915068;1415477529;mircea_popescu;<thestringpuller> I wonder which corporations will move to that profit model << bitcoin corps, basically. 915069;1415477548;mircea_popescu; �pay a tax in sum of 0.1% or a hundred thousand satoshi per full Bitcoin realised� <- Is this tax on profit or revenues? << profit 915070;1415477609;mircea_popescu;* BingoBoingo enjoying that out cult nao has an official tithe <<< all that's missing for full blown religion is the weird robes. 915071;1415477631;bounce;"your mother dresses you funny". there, all done. 915072;1415477636;mircea_popescu;<bounce> bit of a bummer, I'd say. << whyssat ? 915073;1415477637;BingoBoingo; * BingoBoingo enjoying that out cult nao has an official tithe <<< all that's missing for full blown religion is the weird robes. << Get nubbins' to print them! 915074;1415477725;mircea_popescu;you mean we all wear silkscreens ?! 915075;1415477763;mircea_popescu;Pierre_Rochard> for example: amazon would pay little to no tax on profits. Yet their consuming lots of benefits from the state (presumably) << i dunno how that is supposed to stand. if they're not making a profit then their users are deriving all the benefit. 915076;1415477768;bounce;you don't get why that's a bummer? that's really bad. 915077;1415477769;mircea_popescu;why should they pay. 915078;1415477779;mircea_popescu;bounce explain it to me like i were five! 915079;1415477797;bounce;actually, no. certainly not now. 915080;1415477807;mircea_popescu;well whenever you feel like o.O 915081;1415477897;ben_vulpes;it's just an alternate reality game yo 915082;1415477918;ben_vulpes;CHAPTER TWO: IN WHICH THE USIANS LOSE THEIR HEADS 915083;1415477977;BingoBoingo;Silkscreening is what makes the robes weird 915084;1415477992;Apocalyptic;"That's absurd. The whole Lavabit episode actually indicates how strong the CA infrastructure really is", hearn 915085;1415478008;mircea_popescu;duh. 915086;1415478011;Apocalyptic;that's hilarious 915087;1415478014;mircea_popescu;what else would you have him say ? 915088;1415478035;Apocalyptic;something less stupid ? 915089;1415478060;[]bot;Bet created: "Bitcoin price falls on Bitcoin Black Friday" http://bitbet.us/bet/1067/ 915090;1415478065;mircea_popescu;not an easy task, finding such among the pile at his disposal. 915091;1415478139;punkbot;Confirmed bundle 1AsyzbGxFiV3RxtEXumhFG1byvpiU37L6j | http://deeds.bitcoin-assets.com/b/1AsyzbGx 915092;1415478159;scoopbot;New post on Bingo Blog by BingoBoingo: http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/2014/11/08/bbwaa-awards-predictions/ 915093;1415478226;BingoBoingo;Also qntra traffic up again, time to hire! https://www.quantcast.com/qntra.net 915094;1415478226;assbot; Qntra.net Traffic and Demographic Statistics by Quantcast 915095;1415478257;mircea_popescu;hehe check that out! 915096;1415478347;kakobrekla;dude, ddos doesnt count 915097;1415478406;BingoBoingo;WHy not? 915098;1415478418;BingoBoingo;DDoS counts if it reads while doing it 915099;1415478479;mircea_popescu;i don't think quantcast counts ddos 915100;1415478633;[]bot;Bet created: "JoePA gets his wins back" http://bitbet.us/bet/1068/ 915101;1415478674;mircea_popescu;punkbot deed http://pastebin.com/fveAfXy6 915102;1415478674;assbot;-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA512 Your dividend payment for S. - Pastebin.com 915103;1415478674;punkbot;mircea_popescu: Queued 2 valid deeds for next bundle. 915104;1415478783;mircea_popescu;punkbot status 915105;1415478783;punkbot;mircea_popescu: 2 pending deeds | Last bundle 43 minutes ago 915106;1415478905;mircea_popescu;punkman can the punkbot skip the pgp header all the way to the next \n after "Hash:" ? 915107;1415478958;mircea_popescu;and can it put say 32 bytes so obtained off each deed in a " ; " separated list that it pastes here ? 915108;1415478999;mircea_popescu;and can it also use the first line as the title of the document always, so the "Title: " magic words are no longer needed in deeds ? 915109;1415479618;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31468 @ 0.00055921 = 17.5972 BTC [-] 915110;1415479652;mircea_popescu;!up deed_noob|97959 915111;1415479657;mircea_popescu;that's a new one. 915112;1415479805;punkbot;Bundled 2 deeds | http://deeds.bitcoin-assets.com/b/19c63aCJ 915113;1415479868;[]bot;Bet created: "Ban on Reddit BTC tip bot Changetip" http://bitbet.us/bet/1069/ 915114;1415480044;scoopbot;New post on Qntra.net by Bingo Boingo: http://qntra.net/2014/11/hashfast-to-liquidate/ 915115;1415480103;mircea_popescu;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1xU57gP0Kzw 915116;1415480104;assbot;Screenwipe - Idea - YouTube 915117;1415480795;punkbot;Confirmed bundle 19c63aCJM1qKa7mTSBpso1zUVUACpEM6NP | http://deeds.bitcoin-assets.com/b/19c63aCJ 915118;1415481112;mircea_popescu;punkbot balance 915119;1415481112;punkbot;mircea_popescu: Balance at 1LAwrWMbPLLSpt7nkD5Jv1Yf4cwPhD98ny is 0.01383 BTC (0.0 unconfirmed), enough for 125 more bundles. 915120;1415481169;cazalla;mircea_popescu: cazalla pls to gazette <<< looks like BingoBoingo did so while i was sleeping 915121;1415481201;mircea_popescu;yeah! 915122;1415481330;[]bot;Bet created: "BTC to reach $5000 or higher in Q1 2015" http://bitbet.us/bet/1070/ 915123;1415481491;[]bot;Bet created: "BTC to reach $5000 or higher in Q2 2015" http://bitbet.us/bet/1071/ 915124;1415481643;BingoBoingo;https://twitter.com/Beautyon_/status/531190387361447936 915125;1415481645;assbot;There should be, ideally, a qntra for every topic, where experts simply tell the truth, plainly, in form and style. Would people get it? 915126;1415481650;BingoBoingo;^ Feedback 915127;1415481708;mircea_popescu;if only we had that many experts. 915128;1415481721;RagnarDanneskjol;deednoon|(somerandomnumber) must be someone who logged in from deedbot.com irc web client fyi 915129;1415481791;mircea_popescu;aha 915130;1415482674;thestringpuller;;;ud Philosopher's Legacy 915131;1415482674;gribble;http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=The+Philosophers+Legacy | The men and women who were involved in The Philosopher's Legacy were also known as the Twelve Wisemen's Committee, the Patriots, or the La-Li-Lu-Le-Lo. 915132;1415482804;chetty;punkbot deed http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=5FR9QRDA 915133;1415482805;punkbot;chetty: Queued 1 valid deed for next bundle. 915134;1415482856;punkman;mircea_popescu: I'll make it grab, say the first 100 chars on the first line and use that for titles. 915135;1415482866;mircea_popescu;works. 915136;1415482880;punkman;and what about announcing titles here 915137;1415482887;punkman;when bundle is made? 915138;1415482913;mircea_popescu;i would think take out the "bundle made" thing entirely 915139;1415482918;mircea_popescu;and only announce when tx'd. 915140;1415483103;punkman;yeah ok, was more useful before the website existed 915141;1415483111;punkman;will just announce confirms 915142;1415483167;mircea_popescu;you can have it pm if you want for debug purposes or w/e, but otherwise kind-of redundant in chan 915143;1415483413;punkbot;Bundled 1 deed | http://deeds.bitcoin-assets.com/b/19BXLtDe 915144;1415483754;thestringpuller;!t m s.mpoe 915145;1415483754;assbot;[MPEX:S.MPOE] 1D: 0.00055921 / 0.00059478 / 0.000603 (235238 shares, 139.92 BTC), 7D: 0.00055921 / 0.00071558 / 0.00078536 (3467149 shares, 2,481.04 BTC), 30D: 0.00055921 / 0.00074278 / 0.00081111 (24002339 shares, 17,828.57 BTC) 915146;1415484010;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 120000 @ 0.00057053 = 68.4636 BTC [+] {4} 915147;1415485642;mircea_popescu;PeterL hey listen, can you make a website for the scoopbot bot ? put it under blogs.bitcoin-assets.com liek before ? 915148;1415485676;mircea_popescu;i think pankkake published the code he was using somewhere 915149;1415485719;PeterL;mircea_popescu: sure, it is something I was planning to do soon 915150;1415485727;mircea_popescu;cool 915151;1415485881;PeterL;;;rate kakobrekla 2 bitbet, assbot, etc 915152;1415485882;gribble;Rating entry successful. Your rating of 2 for user kakobrekla has been recorded. 915153;1415485973;punkbot;Confirmed bundle 19BXLtDe1FQC1FSVpSpYwG1RXTvL3k5hzW | http://deeds.bitcoin-assets.com/b/19BXLtDe 915154;1415486018;PeterL;;;rate danielpbarron 1 https://twitter.com/danielpbarron seems like a nice guy, calls out scammers 915155;1415486020;assbot;Daniel P. Barron (@danielpbarron) on Twitter 915156;1415486020;gribble;Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user danielpbarron has been recorded. 915157;1415489250;Adlai;"absolved from all allegiance to any entity… is to pay a tax into the coffers of the Bitcoin Foundation" 915158;1415490202;kakobrekla;mircea_popescu heres buttcoin hosting https://coinshost.com/en/ 915159;1415490230;asciilifeform;took 20 or so seconds to load 915160;1415490232;asciilifeform;not encouraging. 915161;1415490273;asciilifeform;i don't remember what other people wanted, but i would like a hosting vendor who is in wot. 915162;1415490336;kakobrekla;seems like their page is bit broked 915163;1415490353;kakobrekla;makes some bad requests 915164;1415490359;asciilifeform;no wot presence, no symptoms of actually working tech. what's the appeal then ? 915165;1415490375;kakobrekla;i did not claim appeal 915166;1415490464;kakobrekla;below it sez >Proudly brought to you by Incloudibly. 915167;1415490465;kakobrekla;heh. 915168;1415490479;asciilifeform;'If you don�t like the Bitcoin Foundation, you could start a new one, right? Sure, absolutely. Just like you could start a new river Thames. Have a shovel. Start digging.' << lol! 915169;1415490481;kakobrekla;only noticed now 915170;1415490491;mircea_popescu;kakobrekla is it any good ? 915171;1415490524;kakobrekla;incloudibly ? i think they are the ones that down allow irc bots 915172;1415490611;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform who's the idiot ? 915173;1415490640;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=08-11-2014#914881 915174;1415490640;assbot;Logged on 08-11-2014 08:25:40; cazalla: very little news around, read this http://bitcoinmagazine.com/18000/bitcoin-is-teaching-realism-to-libertarians-an-interview-with-old-school-cypherpunk-vinay-gupta/ .. where did i read about gold and problem of keeping it safe before? 915175;1415490643;mircea_popescu;scams as geological features now, what's next, libertardism as a natural satellite ? 915176;1415490659;mircea_popescu;oh, gupta. mkay. who asked him anything or w/e. 915177;1415490926;mircea_popescu; "absolved from all allegiance to any entity� is to pay a tax into the coffers of the Bitcoin Foundation" << you gotta re-read. 915178;1415491054;punkman;suppose everyone in assbot wot signs the declaration. doesn't make too much sense to keep 450 copies of the same document. 915179;1415491070;mircea_popescu;why not ? 915180;1415491092;Adlai;what exactly did i miss? 915181;1415491099;mircea_popescu;disk space and bw increase at 100% a year yo. 915182;1415491120;mircea_popescu;Adlai : "absolved from all allegiance to any entity ; if you pay this much no one can ask for more" 915183;1415491153;punkman;well even if I keep 450 copies, would be nice to detect it and present a special page with the document and a list of signatures 915184;1415491177;mircea_popescu;punkbot suppose 200 of those people sign subtly different versions. 915185;1415491200;punkman;well that's that 915186;1415491273;Adlai;mircea_popescu: "is to pay" is a stronger statement than "if you pay, ..." 915187;1415491286;mircea_popescu;besides you know, they prolly go in different bundles, and in general, it's not the signature that's subordinate to the document, but the other way around 915188;1415491296;mircea_popescu;Adlai exactly. 915189;1415491483;punkman;http://www.wired.com/2014/10/world_passport/ 915190;1415491483;assbot;Hacker Dreams Up Crypto Passport Using the Tech Behind Bitcoin | WIRED 915191;1415491557;*;asciilifeform groans 915192;1415491558;mircea_popescu;punkman https://blockchain.info/address/1LAwrWMbPLLSpt7nkD5Jv1Yf4cwPhD98ny << seem you got the url, and also check it out, regularly spent! 915193;1415491558;assbot;Bitcoin Address 1LAwrWMbPLLSpt7nkD5Jv1Yf4cwPhD98ny 915194;1415491591;punkman;mircea_popescu: oh good 915195;1415491605;joecool;oh cool it hooks into blockchain.info now, very nice 915196;1415491635;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=04-06-2014#700916 915197;1415491635;assbot;Logged on 04-06-2014 00:08:26; asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: the buggers' traditional defense is to pretend that the event was a non-event - or, if this is impractical, to continue living in an imaginary world where they 'scooped' the story first, and all of the 'unsanctioned' discussion never happened. 915198;1415491647;punkman;the bundle txs are unspent, if that's what you meant 915199;1415491650;asciilifeform;(re: the idiot 'passport' thing) 915200;1415491656;mircea_popescu;punkman no, they're spent up to about yest ? 915201;1415491659;mircea_popescu;so someone's on it. 915202;1415491679;punkman;no that's the balance being spent for each next bundle 915203;1415491693;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform i don;'t think the wired story has anything to do with anything. for one thing... they EXPIRE ?!?!?! 915204;1415491718;punkman;punkbot balance 915205;1415491718;punkbot;punkman: Balance at 1LAwrWMbPLLSpt7nkD5Jv1Yf4cwPhD98ny is 0.01372 BTC (0.05 unconfirmed), enough for 124 more bundles. 915206;1415491719;Adlai;well, people expire... 915207;1415491722;mircea_popescu;punkman 14r4VdZFYJnGG52B6w9Th7oKjGXU1pDzKX is spent say 915208;1415491734;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: from my first impression, it looked like some savage found a piece of our microscope left in the jungle 915209;1415491748;mircea_popescu;nah, not even that advance.d 915210;1415491774;punkman;mircea_popescu: yeah just noticed, that's good 915211;1415491784;punkman;faucet incentivizes verification 915212;1415491820;asciilifeform;check out the shitgnomes in the comments. 'use keybase!' 915213;1415491849;mircea_popescu;punkman yuppers. 915214;1415491857;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform disqus is disabled here. no comments. 915215;1415491953;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: not missing much 915216;1415492118;punkman;I'm guessing nubbins` will be printing the first batch of La Serenissima passports ;) 915217;1415492212;mircea_popescu;but i mean the passport comes as a temp freenode:#bitcoin-otc:blabla string 915218;1415492239;punkman;well maybe novelty item then 915219;1415492243;asciilifeform;'passport', if you must, is pubkey 915220;1415492249;asciilifeform;the rest, is merely proving that you have it. 915221;1415492339;mircea_popescu;well wait. identity is pubkey. the rest is the passport. 915222;1415492342;mircea_popescu;ie, proving you have it. 915223;1415492355;asciilifeform;aha 915224;1415492361;asciilifeform;that's a better formulation. 915225;1415492372;punkman;and signature of the kingdom> 915226;1415492492;punkman;btw http://www.icao.int/security/mrtd/pages/ICAOPKD.aspx 915227;1415492494;assbot;ICAO Public Key Directory (PKD) 915228;1415492522;asciilifeform;^ work of satan 915229;1415492576;mircea_popescu;y ? 915230;1415492582;asciilifeform;pki 915231;1415492586;asciilifeform;and guess who has master key. 915232;1415492642;mircea_popescu;but i mean ... they just reused the https crapolade. 915233;1415492646;asciilifeform;aha. 915234;1415492656;mircea_popescu;it's not work of satan, it;'s work of whoever was the demon of sloth 915235;1415492686;asciilifeform;god of shit. sterculius. 915236;1415492738;asciilifeform;or... 'Hie thee to hell for shame, and leave the world, Thou cacodemon! There thy kingdom is.' (richard iii) 915237;1415492753;asciilifeform;(cacodemon, as seen in 'doom'.) 915238;1415492863;Adlai;passports as private key... remind me of some gag where a bitcoiner gets some "paper wallets" for his fiat account and discovers that his keys are printed in cleartext on every page 915239;1415492894;mircea_popescu;you mean like bank account numbers ? 915240;1415492898;Adlai;https://pay.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/239wv9/so_i_went_to_open_a_checking_account_todayhow/ 915241;1415492899;assbot;So I went to open a checking account today...How these banks have stayed in business this long is beyond reason. : Bitcoin 915242;1415492929;mircea_popescu;fun story : romania's dictators had nfi that they will be shot. because srsly, who would shoot obama, and why ?!?!?! 915243;1415492938;mircea_popescu;eventually, as things got out of control they ran off in a helicopter 915244;1415492957;mircea_popescu;the woman, being also a mother, took some money with her for her children. 915245;1415492975;mircea_popescu;these consisted of accounts drawn against the national (and only) bank 915246;1415492979;mircea_popescu;and the passwords were their names. 915247;1415493017;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: this is in no way surprising. 915248;1415493031;mircea_popescu;one of those things only ever surprising in retrospect. 915249;1415493085;mircea_popescu;punkbot balance 915250;1415493085;punkbot;mircea_popescu: Balance at 1LAwrWMbPLLSpt7nkD5Jv1Yf4cwPhD98ny is 0.06372 BTC (0.0 unconfirmed), enough for 579 more bundles. 915251;1415493090;asciilifeform;who would have dared to monkey with the tyrant's bank account when he was on the throne. 915252;1415493113;asciilifeform;and who gave half a rat's arse after. 915253;1415493121;mircea_popescu;speaking of which, another fun story : 915254;1415493142;mircea_popescu;romanian defence minister got sent to russia on business, including to buy some fighter jets. 915255;1415493182;mircea_popescu;dictator-wife goes through dictator paperwork, wtf, why do "we" need planes. 915256;1415493188;mircea_popescu;guy decides not to buy planes anymoar. 915257;1415493199;mircea_popescu;aparatus desperately calls to moscow, pls to not sign anymore 915258;1415493199;asciilifeform;elena the 'chemist' ? 915259;1415493203;mircea_popescu;"too late". yes, her. 915260;1415493207;asciilifeform;l0l! 915261;1415493216;asciilifeform;al schwartz had many good elene c. stories 915262;1415493216;mircea_popescu;so it is decided that... fancy this... they'll simply not pay. 915263;1415493221;mircea_popescu;ie, ignor the matter altogether. 915264;1415493223;asciilifeform;the faux 'chemistry' really grated on him 915265;1415493244;mircea_popescu;at which point ppl are like wtf, this is some sort of a kindergarten act ?! who ever heard of this 915266;1415493247;mircea_popescu;(summer of 1989) 915267;1415493368;mircea_popescu;ftr, grep -v -f is atrociously ineffectual for large files. 915268;1415493378;mircea_popescu;is this for a good reason or just bad gnutella ? 915269;1415493414;asciilifeform;aside from the fundamentally bigger set ? 915270;1415493482;mircea_popescu;shouldn't grep -v -f (x rand(x)) y rand(y) be a function of x*y ? 915271;1415493496;mircea_popescu;this looks more like it's x^y or some shit. 915272;1415493528;Adlai;exceeding various cache sizes? 915273;1415493546;mircea_popescu;shouldn't it just tree the f ? 915274;1415493716;Adlai;pure speculation: it caches the list of -f patterns, then goes over the input lines, testing all patterns on each line. this would have a sharp performance drop as the patterns overflow caches. 915275;1415493738;asciilifeform;the fact that no one here is willing to answer this question by attempting to read the source, says something about the latter. 915276;1415493774;*;Adlai is busy worshipping sterculius 915277;1415493774;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform have you LOOKED at grep source ? 915278;1415493781;asciilifeform;yes. 915279;1415493794;mircea_popescu;im not paying for a week of graybeard to go into its guts tyvm. 915280;1415493799;*;asciilifeform said this for a reason. 915281;1415494006;mircea_popescu;anyway, stercum means shit. sterculius sounds like the god of diarrhea 915282;1415494023;asciilifeform;;;google sterculius 915283;1415494024;gribble;Sterquilinus - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: ; STERCULIUS - the Roman God of Manure (Roman mythology): ; Urban Dictionary: Sterculius: 915284;1415494036;*;asciilifeform forgets where and how 915285;1415494091;Adlai;indeed, i'd like to deal with at most one turd at a time 915286;1415496075;punkman;here's a thought: .sign AQLSTVsF http://paste.com/detached_sig.txt 915287;1415496131;punkman;it just goes in as a regular deed, but punkbot knows how to verify sig 915288;1415496160;punkman;(where AQLSTVsF, any deed id) 915289;1415496274;punkman;and btw, you can even post binary data as deed with :gpg --sign --armor 915290;1415496294;punkman;could allow larger limit for teh lords 915291;1415496311;punkman;(32kb currently) 915292;1415497052;jurov;http://www.wired.com/2014/11/crypto-ipos/ 915293;1415497052;assbot;Feds Begin Their Crackdown on Bitcoin Stocks | WIRED 915294;1415497086;asciilifeform;'...a crackdown that could affect promising Bitcoin 2.0 projects such as Ethereum, MaidSafe, and Counterparty.' 915295;1415497088;*;asciilifeform groans 915296;1415497107;asciilifeform;and the verbiage is straight from last week's turds 915297;1415497199;punkman;"Keirns was doing what came naturally. He had a business idea, and he created a fund." 915298;1415497337;mircea_popescu;punkman so basically what, it verifies an alt-sig for the body of a prev deed ? 915299;1415497355;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform yeah, because the scams hadn't already been cracked down upon a year ago, right here. 915300;1415497369;mircea_popescu;the insanity is strong with these guys. 915301;1415497382;punkman;mircea_popescu: yeah, I'd sign your raw deed, then send detached sig to bot 915302;1415497396;mircea_popescu;so how does it publish it ? 915303;1415497400;mircea_popescu;and where does it put it ? 915304;1415497419;asciilifeform;(yes, said it before, but) http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=04-06-2014#700916 915305;1415497419;assbot;Logged on 04-06-2014 00:08:26; asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: the buggers' traditional defense is to pretend that the event was a non-event - or, if this is impractical, to continue living in an imaginary world where they 'scooped' the story first, and all of the 'unsanctioned' discussion never happened. 915306;1415497420;punkman;the detached sig becomes the body of a new deed, included in bundles as usual 915307;1415497440;asciilifeform;not 'insanity' as such, just very arduously pretending that we don't exist. 915308;1415497449;mircea_popescu;;;rate wired -1 such horribru coverage from the it kindergarten fishwrapper. 915309;1415497450;gribble;Rating entry successful. Your rating of -1 for user wired has been recorded. 915310;1415497456;mircea_popescu;ow shit. 915311;1415497459;asciilifeform;l0l! 915312;1415497478;mircea_popescu;;;unrate 915313;1415497478;gribble;(unrate ) -- Remove your rating for from the database. 915314;1415497492;mircea_popescu;jesus the wot is packed so thight you can't even throw a rock at the swamp without hitting someone 915315;1415497494;mircea_popescu;;;unrate wired 915316;1415497495;gribble;Successfully removed your rating for wired. 915317;1415497591;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform anyway, "we're ~cracking down~ dontcha know, notwithstanding that we have no authority. this activity without effect could nevertheless which could affect scams we sponsored to try and destroy this thing but it didn't work out". 915318;1415497604;mircea_popescu;such false->anything->anything->anything genius. 915319;1415497686;mircea_popescu;punkman so how would a 3rd party verify the contentless signature is anything ? 915320;1415497796;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19700 @ 0.00058756 = 11.5749 BTC [+] 915321;1415497872;punkman;mircea_popescu: I guess referenced deed id is included along with detached sig 915322;1415497882;mircea_popescu;so then what was the benefit ? 915323;1415497889;mircea_popescu;srsly, it's good as it is, no need fixing. 915324;1415497915;mircea_popescu;the fact that thew system offers a strong guarantee that any deed can be verified in 1 step is valuable. 915325;1415497919;mircea_popescu;that value needn't be squandered. 915326;1415498443;mircea_popescu;"Unfortunately, earnings reported in corporate financial statements are no longer the dominant variable that determines whether there are any real earnings for you, the owner. For only gains in purchasing power represent real earnings on investment. If you (a) forego ten hamburgers to purchase an investment; (b) receive dividends which, after tax, buy two hamburgers; and (c) receive, upon sale of your holdings, aft 915327;1415498443;mircea_popescu;er-tax proceeds that will buy eight hamburgers, then (d) you have had no real income from your investment, no matter how much it appreciated in dollars. You may feel richer, but you won�t eat richer." 915328;1415498449;mircea_popescu;guess who. 915329;1415498890;decimation;taleb? you? 915330;1415498905;mircea_popescu;actually, buffett. 915331;1415498907;mircea_popescu;but in 1980. 915332;1415499048;decimation;heh. I wonder if he used this as a defense of his anti-dividend policy 915333;1415499174;decimation;lol http://techcrunch.com/2014/11/07/codecademy-reskillusa/ << recycle jobless 'workers' to skilled web developers in three months, please please usg you pay? 915334;1415499175;assbot;Codecademy Teams Up With Online And Offline Coding Schools To Create ReskillUSA | TechCrunch 915335;1415499242;mircea_popescu;well... promising 2.0 businesses such as ethereum could use more css... 915336;1415499251;decimation;lol 915337;1415500358;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12400 @ 0.00057487 = 7.1284 BTC [-] 915338;1415502231;pete_dushenski;punkbot deed http://pastebin.com/b83yTQaz 915339;1415502231;assbot;-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA512 Title: BITCOIN DECLARATION O - Pastebin.com 915340;1415502231;punkbot;pete_dushenski: Queued 1 valid deed for next bundle. 915341;1415502907;Adlai;!s urbit 915342;1415502908;assbot;117 results for 'urbit' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=urbit 915343;1415502947;punkbot;Bundled 1 deed | http://deeds.bitcoin-assets.com/b/17J6NAKN 915344;1415503136;decimation;have you used urbit Adlai? 915345;1415503148;Adlai;nope, just encountering this now 915346;1415503652;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17169 @ 0.00056483 = 9.6976 BTC [-] 915347;1415504355;punkbot;Confirmed bundle 17J6NAKN9aiFNcdesz417hXZqtixLk6wpw | http://deeds.bitcoin-assets.com/b/17J6NAKN 915348;1415505360;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19900 @ 0.00056101 = 11.1641 BTC [-] 915349;1415506155;pete_dushenski;http://www.contravex.com/2014/11/09/la-serenissima-sovereign-declares-tithe-3/ 915350;1415506156;assbot;La Serenissima: Sovereign, Declares Tithe³ | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski 915351;1415506458;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16371 @ 0.00056331 = 9.2219 BTC [+] 915352;1415506797;RagnarDanneskjol;i like the declaration but fuck the tax bs for gots sake man. I refuse to sign it! not cool pete 915353;1415507340;cazalla;RagnarDanneskjol, i don't think anyone said you had to sign it 915354;1415507363;RagnarDanneskjol;i didnt say they did. just passing an opinion 915355;1415507497;RagnarDanneskjol;in particular the words it is established and moral requirement are unconscionable 915356;1415507614;asciilifeform;RagnarDanneskjol: ask mircea_popescu 915357;1415507619;asciilifeform;he wrote it. 915358;1415507653;RagnarDanneskjol;ahh ok, I'll take it up with the boss then - thought it originated w/ pete. thanks 915359;1415507671;asciilifeform;as i understand, he is trying to somehow deal with the little problem of no one standing up to unwedge 0.5.3 block loader. 915360;1415507705;asciilifeform;none of the folks here seem to have the magic combo of skill, inclination, and free time 915361;1415507715;RagnarDanneskjol;i get it. there is quite a bit of volunteer support about to flood this channel for this purpose 915362;1415507727;RagnarDanneskjol;qualified support 915363;1415507739;asciilifeform;about to? 915364;1415507743;asciilifeform;what are they waiting for? 915365;1415507747;decimation;to sign a deed? 915366;1415507747;RagnarDanneskjol;me 915367;1415507777;RagnarDanneskjol;I need to round up the troops and do some crash coursing in wot, etc first 915368;1415507820;asciilifeform;if the troops are able and willing to follow jurov's turdatron rules (as well as produce quality work) - great news. 915369;1415507847;RagnarDanneskjol;we'll see. making no promises 915370;1415507867;asciilifeform;but unless i am mistaken, mircea_popescu is proceeding from an understanding that a quality reference implementation will require paid experts. 915371;1415507878;asciilifeform;hence his proclamation of 'tithe' 915372;1415507883;RagnarDanneskjol;might be that too 915373;1415507896;RagnarDanneskjol;got it. tithe I can live with. tax not so much 915374;1415507902;RagnarDanneskjol;can you pls direct me to jurov's requirements? 915375;1415507912;RagnarDanneskjol;or the rules of contention 915376;1415507917;asciilifeform;RagnarDanneskjol: http://therealbitcoin.org/mailman/listinfo/btc-dev 915377;1415507926;RagnarDanneskjol;oh that ok 915378;1415507927;asciilifeform;described in 'submitting patches' 915379;1415507936;RagnarDanneskjol;right got it 915380;1415507953;asciilifeform;the only thing not mentioned there, is the absolute need for patches to be readable 915381;1415507965;RagnarDanneskjol;i see 915382;1415507986;asciilifeform;that is, it must address a specific thing, and patch is not really considered worthwhile until other participants are willing to sign it. 915383;1415508008;RagnarDanneskjol;should be interesting 915384;1415508034;asciilifeform;(which others must sign? this question has not been formally answered yet. on account of there not being a real maintainer.) 915385;1415508046;asciilifeform;i did the last merge personally, and i think a few folks here are using it 915386;1415508056;asciilifeform;but i'm not an 'official' anything. 915387;1415508088;asciilifeform;(other than being the devil who led these folks into the temptation of trying to craft a 'reference implementation.') 915388;1415508101;RagnarDanneskjol;heh 915389;1415508116;asciilifeform;i also wrote a few of the simple patches found on jurov's site right now 915390;1415508135;RagnarDanneskjol;cool 915391;1415508146;asciilifeform;entirely crud removal (of, e.g., gavin's 'emergency broadcast' crap) 915392;1415508182;decimation;asciilifeform: I did mange to get it working on openbsd, I think it wedged in a different spot 915393;1415508196;asciilifeform;decimation: i suspect that if you kill the db and run it again - different yet. 915394;1415508201;decimation;I had to add a few headers 915395;1415508206;asciilifeform;decimation: because non-deterministic - once db is corrupt, wedge. 915396;1415508209;decimation;yeah I was using the 'ports' db, which is 4.6 I think 915397;1415508210;asciilifeform;when corrups? no one knows 915398;1415508701;RagnarDanneskjol;speaking of support, how you been chalbersma - LA treating you ok 915399;1415508727;chalbersma;Ya been super busy. But it's nice out hear. 915400;1415508740;chalbersma;What seems to be the support problem you speak of? 915401;1415508813;RagnarDanneskjol;well, the folks here started a movement to roll back btc core development to a pristine, decrufted state 915402;1415508837;RagnarDanneskjol;and looking for guys like you with some hands on experience to contribute 915403;1415508846;chalbersma;Hmm sounds interesting. 915404;1415508854;RagnarDanneskjol;yea, should be fun 915405;1415508874;RagnarDanneskjol;getting some links to bring you up to speed 915406;1415508880;chalbersma;kk 915407;1415508970;RagnarDanneskjol;http://trilema.com/2014/the-bitcoin-foundation-finally-incorporated/ 915408;1415508970;assbot;The Bitcoin Foundation finally incorporated! pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. 915409;1415508977;RagnarDanneskjol;http://f9beb4d9.org/ 915410;1415508988;RagnarDanneskjol;http://qntra.net/2014/11/introducing-a-new-bitcoin-foundation/ 915411;1415508988;assbot;Introducing A New Bitcoin Foundation | Qntra.net 915412;1415509020;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 58120 @ 0.0005603 = 32.5646 BTC [-] {2} 915413;1415509356;Adlai;nice domain name byte order :D 915414;1415509414;chalbersma;Looks interesting. 915415;1415509572;chalbersma;I assume they're hosting the code somewhere? 915416;1415509654;RagnarDanneskjol;really only here for now: http://therealbitcoin.org no github or anything yet 915417;1415509660;RagnarDanneskjol;afaik 915418;1415509986;decimation;there's nothing like reading a slow signal on an old analog scope 915419;1415510511;RagnarDanneskjol;chalbersma - also worth mentioning (what's wrong w/ the 'official' ver): http://cascadianhacker.com/blog/2014/10/20_a-summary-of-changes-to-bitcoin-since-0321.html 915420;1415510512;assbot;A summary of changes to Bitcoin since 0.3.21 915421;1415510545;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16350 @ 0.00056317 = 9.2078 BTC [+] {2} 915422;1415510667;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20124 @ 0.00056367 = 11.3433 BTC [+] 915423;1415510884;mircea_popescu; in particular the words it is established and moral requirement are unconscionable << why ? 915424;1415510902;mircea_popescu; as i understand, he is trying to somehow deal with the little problem of no one standing up to unwedge 0.5.3 block loader. << nah, not related. 915425;1415511044;mircea_popescu; decimation: i suspect that if you kill the db and run it again - different yet. << pretty much how this works yes. 915426;1415511114;mircea_popescu;<Adlai> nice domain name byte order :D << ben_vulpes idea 915427;1415511566;RagnarDanneskjol;mircea_popescu i suppose the notion of taxation in any form makes my brain burn -whether it be through force, state declaration or moral requirement. I am all in favor of the foundation and will likely contribute more than .01% of my earnings to it, but pressing a moral obligation or establishing a rule/precedent for 'taxation' for anyone participating in btc commerce just doesn't make 915428;1415511567;RagnarDanneskjol;any sense to me -especially until the foundation proves its worth/value 915429;1415511611;RagnarDanneskjol;*especially without 915430;1415512166;mircea_popescu;RagnarDanneskjol well... you familiar with the expression "i gave at the office" ? 915431;1415512224;RagnarDanneskjol;i dont think so. maybe 915432;1415512306;mircea_popescu;anyway, arguing against all tax may be a difficult tack for your average business trying to get on with its business rather than become noam chomsky. 915433;1415512335;mircea_popescu;manwhile, if they subscribe to this, they don't have to : "i won't pay you any tax, not for any other reason than that ~i already paid~". 915434;1415512337;mircea_popescu;case closed. 915435;1415512433;RagnarDanneskjol;ha, if only it were that easy 915436;1415512436;mircea_popescu;so in this sense, it's politically useful. while i can appreciate the philosophical argument of "epsilon is still fundamentally different from 0", it doesn't carry as much practical importance as all that. for one thing, everyone feels entitled to tax you .1%, including any bank moving your money, and so on and so forth. heck, the miners are taxing about 0.1% 915437;1415512484;mircea_popescu;making it a moral imperative rather than a legal imperative is also important, precisely because the ancient style of voluntary taxation is actually superior, on all scores, to whatever coercitive crap the socialists are doing today. 915438;1415512547;RagnarDanneskjol;not a tax - those are fees - paying for a service - one can opt out. point taken on moral vs legal imperative.. its the imperative part i'm still struggling with 915439;1415512591;mircea_popescu;ever read http://trilema.com/2013/some-basic-discussion-of-charity/ ? 915440;1415512592;assbot;Some basic discussion of charity pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. 915441;1415512618;RagnarDanneskjol;oohh - I believe i missed it.. reading nao 915442;1415512640;mircea_popescu;main point being that ever since kant, all sorts of imperatives are left around. 915443;1415512666;RagnarDanneskjol;hmm. i see 915444;1415514068;scoopbot;New post on BTC Scoop by peter: http://blog.btcscoop.com/nopdf-a-pdf-to-text-conversion-tool/ 915445;1415514221;PeterL;mircea_popescu: ^this one's for you :) 915446;1415514286;*;Adlai tries his hand at the turd polish 915447;1415514644;Adlai;https://github.com/adlai/bitcoin/tree/polish asciilifeform RagnarDanneskjol chalbersma and anybody else... fork and reuse 915448;1415514644;assbot;adlai/bitcoin at polish · GitHub 915449;1415514690;chalbersma;Thanks! 915450;1415514706;Adlai;np, and welcome 915451;1415514876;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18254 @ 0.00056483 = 10.3104 BTC [+] 915452;1415514886;mircea_popescu;PeterL ah splwendid! 915453;1415514927;mircea_popescu;!s pdf 915454;1415514928;assbot;303 results for 'pdf' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=pdf 915455;1415514963;mircea_popescu;http://btcscoop.com/cgi-bin/convert.py?docurl=https://academiccommons.columbia.edu/download/fedora_content/download/ac:141620/CONTENT/Ammous_columbia_0054D_10412.pdf 915456;1415515047;PeterL;I wonder if I should be caching a copy of documents so that it does not have to do the conversion for everybody clicking the link you just posted? 915457;1415515089;mircea_popescu;the next words out of my mouth were, PeterL pls to cache documents and 915458;1415515130;mircea_popescu;kakobrekla feature request : when assbot parses a pdf url, can it spit it out with http://btcscoop.com/cgi-bin/convert.py?docurl= prefixed for convenience, while also making a http request so as to start the conversion ? 915459;1415515150;mircea_popescu;PeterL "HTTP gateway timed out". caching's a must. 915460;1415515183;mircea_popescu;also if you queue incoming requests you can make sure you don't overrun your resources. sorta like how phuctor works 915461;1415515204;PeterL;hmm, now thinking of best way to do this ... 915462;1415515380;kakobrekla;convert on first request then serve from disk 915463;1415515383;kakobrekla;for converter. 915464;1415516023;Adlai;chalbersma (and anybody else who may have looked at the repo), please make sure to pull the non-FF changes that properly attribute commit authors 915465;1415516222;chalbersma;When I get a chance to do some hacking I'll be sure to. 915466;1415519633;ben_vulpes;an interesting approach, Adlai. 915467;1415519636;ben_vulpes;i'll link in the AM. 915468;1415519665;ben_vulpes;the thing is best pursued as the outputs of *authors*, rather than any sort of "blessed" anything by any sort of "foundation". 915469;1415519704;ben_vulpes;in the same vein as the declaration, the only code that matters is that as published by *individuals*, and only ever those in the wot. 915470;1415519739;ben_vulpes;Adlai: do us all a favor, and send the mailing list an email, yeah? 915471;1415519776;ben_vulpes;describe the repo in question and your branching policy if you have such and the time to elaborate upon it. 915472;1415520332;mircea_popescu;!up phish 915473;1415520605;mircea_popescu;"I lost a shit load in investments. I dont have anymore BTC left." 915474;1415520618;mircea_popescu;random forum imbecile, november 5th 2014. 915475;1415520637;mircea_popescu;"investments" they're called. mpoe-pr was totally a smart way to use money huh. 915476;1415520668;ben_vulpes;who is this: http://futurerant.tumblr.com/ 915477;1415520668;assbot; FutureRant 915478;1415520745;mircea_popescu;nobody ? 915479;1415520748;mircea_popescu;!up zanza 915480;1415520758;mircea_popescu;"In my last post, I posited a fictional world, Crypton, where no governments1 back up contracts with the threat of force2." 915481;1415520781;mircea_popescu;"i read some shit from last year's trilema and here's my inept respinning of it!" 915482;1415520803;zanza;has anyone tried Bit4x? 915483;1415520823;mircea_popescu;isn;'t that kakobrekla's thing ? 915484;1415520837;zanza;yeah, he lists this as the IRC channel :o 915485;1415520862;kakobrekla;yeah 915486;1415520864;kakobrekla;sup 915487;1415520876;zanza;hey :D 915488;1415520885;kakobrekla;hi 915489;1415520898;zanza;bit4x good site? i am looking to do forex in bitcoin 915490;1415520924;zanza;it seems to have goot OTC review 915491;1415520927;zanza;good* 915492;1415520931;kakobrekla;well the site isnt that good but the service is 915493;1415520946;zanza;ok :) cool ill send an email and like to setup an cct 915494;1415520958;kakobrekla;alright 915495;1415520964;zanza;support@bit4x.com 915496;1415520972;kakobrekla;should work 915497;1415520987;zanza;the people on Bitcointalk seem rude 915498;1415520992;zanza;bitcointalk.com 915499;1415521004;mircea_popescu;http://altcoinpress.com/2014/11/american-bitcoin-pirate-slammed-for-securities-violations/ << i don't get it. how is the pic related ? 915500;1415521005;assbot; American Bitcoin Pirate Slammed for Securities Violations 915501;1415521017;mircea_popescu;zanza they're dumb is the problem. rude, whatever. 915502;1415521022;zanza;haha 915503;1415521033;mircea_popescu;"Greg Matthews is an internet pioneer and early domainer. " 915504;1415521057;mircea_popescu;seriously ? fucking retard world out there. "little timmy dribbles is an early cerealizer and soup eater" 915505;1415521069;zanza;Kakobrekla, may I ask, does running the Bit4x site have a lot of risk for you? i mean if prices change 915506;1415521087;zanza;or is it not that risky if price changes 915507;1415521114;mircea_popescu;" After selling his ISP company in 2007, he began work as a researcher and advocate for digital currencies. He enjoys working as a freelance writer and is editor in chief at Altcoin Press." totally, 5 year gap in the mongoloid's cv. spent 2007-2013 staring at a brick. 915508;1415521129;kakobrekla;for my part there is very little risk 915509;1415521152;zanza;ok, so do you balance the bitcoin storage somehow like I forget the word 915510;1415521173;zanza;so the price change doesn't effect you 915511;1415521181;zanza;I assume you use your own money to do the forex 915512;1415521186;mircea_popescu;you looking for hedge ? 915513;1415521186;zanza;and keep BTC as reserve 915514;1415521190;zanza;hedge!! 915515;1415521194;zanza;*ding ding* 915516;1415521220;kakobrekla;everything i do is btc denomiated 915517;1415521240;zanza;but you can't trade currency with BTC right? like Eur/USD 915518;1415521255;kakobrekla;you can 915519;1415521259;zanza;ahh, ok 915520;1415521263;zanza;got it thanks! 915521;1415521273;kakobrekla;you cant trade btcusd or btcxxx 915522;1415521314;zanza;is business ok for you? something you will continue doing in the future? 915523;1415521323;zanza;hoping it gets bigger 915524;1415521342;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23988 @ 0.00056483 = 13.5491 BTC [+] 915525;1415521356;*;mircea_popescu perks ears for this one. 915526;1415521364;zanza;I was reading Bitcointalk, people are looking for Forex to do with Bitcoin, but the main issue is trust 915527;1415521376;mircea_popescu;it's rare that noobs manage to ask questions i actually want to hear the answer to. 915528;1415521384;zanza;LOL 915529;1415521419;zanza;but the main Forex companies are so regulated by government I don't want to deal with them 915530;1415521435;zanza;none of them allow you to keep BTC balance I believe 915531;1415521485;kakobrekla;yes, more things to come soon 915532;1415521486;kakobrekla;there will web interface, api, internal signals, maybe mobile 915533;1415521486;kakobrekla;will be* 915534;1415521487;mircea_popescu;zanza if it helps you, kakobrekla had ~100 btc investment from F.MPIF for a few months, in his panacea forex fund. he paid back. 915535;1415521495;mircea_popescu;the details are in the f.mpif reports. 915536;1415521522;zanza;cool :) I think it is a great idea 915537;1415521531;zanza;and has very big possibility 915538;1415521534;zanza;in the future 915539;1415521708;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5650 @ 0.00056397 = 3.1864 BTC [-] 915540;1415522148;mircea_popescu;a spoonful of dung has very big possibility, in the future. 915541;1415522258;kakobreklaa;blah, bnc died 915542;1415522283;Adlai;;;isup www.bit4x.com 915543;1415522286;gribble;www.bit4x.com is down 915544;1415522297;kakobreklaa;ah our friend is listening 915545;1415522301;kakobreklaa;hi! 915546;1415522341;kakobreklaa;lucky i update the page once every 6 months or so you can look at internet archive for freshest news 915547;1415522371;mircea_popescu;kakobreklaa lol are you being persecuted ? 915548;1415522380;kakobreklaa;looks like 915549;1415522421;mircea_popescu;http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m54SmVsQqgc << lmao check out them crazy candians 915550;1415522421;assbot;Loreena McKennitt - La Serenissima - YouTube 915551;1415522466;Adlai;kakobreklaa: so, this works entirely through mt4? 915552;1415522518;kakobreklaa;Adlai yea 915553;1415522542;Adlai;and scripting could be done with eg https://github.com/pczarn/metatrader-multilang ? 915554;1415522543;assbot;pczarn/metatrader-multilang · GitHub 915555;1415522603;kakobreklaa;idk if that works 915556;1415522624;kakobreklaa;i have a 0mq that will eat pgp 915557;1415522630;Adlai;upon further examination it does not seem to work 915558;1415522669;Adlai;or more precisely... it works, but not as expected by the optimistic plumber 915559;1415522692;Adlai;please tell us more about your pgpivorous steroid socket 915560;1415522758;kakobreklaa;not much to it, you send a signcrypted message to socket and get back an answer, just like mpex works 915561;1415522780;Adlai;dox? 915562;1415522800;kakobreklaa;not yet 915563;1415522825;mircea_popescu;o.O 915564;1415522838;Adlai;live public coaching via irc sometime next week? 915565;1415522848;*;Adlai will be away for a while 915566;1415522865;kakobreklaa;lol whats the rush 915567;1415522895;mircea_popescu;apparently people wanna use your things 915568;1415522902;Adlai;amazing feeling innit 915569;1415522902;assbot;AMAZING COMPANY! 915570;1415522902;mircea_popescu;much to everyone's surprise o.o 915571;1415522975;Adlai;to assuage that look of terminal shock in your eyes: there's no real rush, i have an endless list of other turds to polish 915572;1415522989;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9700 @ 0.00056397 = 5.4705 BTC [-] 915573;1415522991;kakobreklaa;see i knew it 915574;1415523001;kakobreklaa;;) 915575;1415523039;Adlai;but running scalpl on something other than btcfiat has been on the back burner for a long time, in part due to not wanting to touch any glitzy forex gambler-traps 915576;1415523070;mircea_popescu;omg kako stop sabotaging yourself, you're ready darling! pop that cherry! 915577;1415523121;Adlai;for all i know, my current parameters could be totally overfit to the quirks of two btcfiat marketplaces, or worse, the whole algorithm could be overfit to bitcoin's crazyness and may be totally worthless elsewhere 915578;1415523147;Adlai;so this is a fairly important avenue to explore 915579;1415523291;*;Adlai has to wait at least a week though, his qntry needs him 915580;1415523903;cazalla; http://altcoinpress.com/2014/11/american-bitcoin-pirate-slammed-for-securities-violations/ << i don't get it. how is the pic related ? <<< same guy who claimed his friends/family called him satoshi's drunk uncle 915581;1415523904;assbot; American Bitcoin Pirate Slammed for Securities Violations 915582;1415523989;mircea_popescu;so he's basically a drunk ? 915583;1415524033;Adlai;*drunkle 915584;1415524037;cazalla;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=08-09-2014#822992 915585;1415524037;assbot;Logged on 08-09-2014 22:35:52; mircea_popescu: "Thank you for this clarification Mr. Nakamoto. It has been an honor to be labeled by my friends as "Satoshi's Drunk Uncle" and it's a moniker I'll wear proudly until the day I retire from Crypto. The Goldcoin (GLD) developers truly admire your work and strive to continue improving upon its design as a tribute to your unparallelled genius. Your admirer and relative in spirit, MicroGuy." 915586;1415524048;cazalla;that is what i refer to 915587;1415524099;mircea_popescu;lol drunkle 915588;1415524100;Adlai;(the author of the altcoinpress article) 915589;1415524136;mircea_popescu;wait. this dumb schmuck is talking to someone who isn't satoshi about how his fambly jesus christ 915590;1415524144;mircea_popescu;things just got too redditesque all of a sudden. 915591;1415524146;cazalla;this might be the first day since qntra started that i did not post.. nothing of interest today 915592;1415524165;mircea_popescu;"relative in spirit" ? 915593;1415524193;Adlai;*spirits 915594;1415524227;mircea_popescu;incomprehensible the void powering these... things, whatever they are. what was he doing before, talking to a bottle of draino about how he's bald in spirit, just like the genie guy ? 915595;1415524361;mircea_popescu;http://www.fustar.info/wp-content/images/mr-proper.jpg < whatever that's called. 915596;1415524412;mircea_popescu;speaking of which, 915597;1415524424;mircea_popescu;;;later tell nubbins` http://www.fustar.info/2010/05/04/the-9th-circle-film-club-cybertracker-1994/ << this guy wanted a tshirt, in like 2010 915598;1415524425;assbot;The 9th Circle Film Club: CyberTracker (1994) | Fustar 915599;1415524425;gribble;The operation succeeded. 915600;1415524881;punkman;any objections to punkbot changing name to "notary"? 915601;1415524960;kakobreklaa;notrly 915602;1415524977;Adlai;how about 'stuffy', ie 'not airy' 915603;1415525100;punkman;from that microguy https://www.startjoin.com/gogold 915604;1415525101;assbot;South African Goldcoin GLD Conference project on StartJOIN 915605;1415525124;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33300 @ 0.0005609 = 18.678 BTC [-] {2} 915606;1415525396;cazalla;punkman, he drinks fosters in his youtube videos and is under the impression that makes him an honorary australia 915607;1415525410;cazalla;australian* even 915608;1415525551;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16150 @ 0.00056039 = 9.0503 BTC [-] 915609;1415525612;cazalla;http://youtu.be/Q3wxinuADjI?t=2m20s 915610;1415525613;assbot;South African Goldcoin (GLD) Conference - YouTube 915611;1415525666;Adlai;gribble | Error: Username already registered. Try a different username. << fucker 915612;1415525682;Adlai;help echangekey 915613;1415525699;punkman;my favourite australian beverage: http://www.kellysdistributors.net.au/media/catalog/product/cache/1/image/5e06319eda06f020e43594a9c230972d/f/i/file_231.jpg 915614;1415525757;cazalla;punkman, prefer the gingerbeer and sarsparilla 915615;1415525787;punkman;yeah the gingerbeer wasn't bad either 915616;1415525827;punkman;I can't get a decent gingerbeer around here, been considering brewing my own 915617;1415525840;Adlai;how do i add a gpg identity to my gribble account? i'm already registered with a bitcoin address, and gribble responds to eregister and echangekey with "Error: Username already registered. Try a different username." 915618;1415526027;punkman;adlai, echangekey should work I think, what error does it give you? 915619;1415526043;Adlai;Adlai | oh, a better question would be "in which keyserver does gribble look" 915620;1415526058;punkman;sks and mit 915621;1415526248;Adlai;punkman: ugh, it's sending me an encrypted otp, but responds to eauth with "Error: You have not registered a GPG key. Try using bcauth instead, or register a GPG key first." 915622;1415526271;punkman;auth with bc, then changekey? 915623;1415526277;Adlai;;;ident adlai 915624;1415526277;gribble;Nick 'adlai', with hostmask 'Adlai!~Adlai@gateway/tor-sasl/adlai', is identified as user 'Adlai', with GPG key id None, key fingerprint None, and bitcoin address 13dkw1PtojBW74FN7ERbHqoEvgsTmtARuj 915625;1415526451;Adlai;;;ident adlai 915626;1415526451;gribble;Nick 'adlai', with hostmask 'Adlai!~Adlai@gateway/tor-sasl/adlai', is identified as user 'Adlai', with GPG key id 4D88596A7CDA03F9, key fingerprint FCBC64EFDF1D6C1E4E964AEE4D88596A7CDA03F9, and bitcoin address 13dkw1PtojBW74FN7ERbHqoEvgsTmtARuj 915627;1415526486;Adlai;that took way too fucking long and is just as [in]secure as using a privkey >_< 915628;1415526541;punkman;how so? 915629;1415526609;Adlai;they're both the same overall protocol, just a serialization formats and signature algorithms 915630;1415526625;Adlai;s/ a /different/ 915631;1415526730;punkman;well whaddayawant, second factor via SMS? 915632;1415526886;Adlai;ben_vulpes: i'm not seeing it in the mailing list yet, and i have to leave. hope this cuts it: http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=pCFcsbrW 915633;1415526922;punkman;Adlai, gotta wait for key to reach jurov 915634;1415526967;*;Adlai waits on the go 915635;1415527015;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 32051 @ 0.00056006 = 17.9505 BTC [-] {3} 915636;1415527524;cazalla;punkbot deed http://pastebin.com/QRgj8LL0 915637;1415527524;assbot;-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA512 Title: BITCOIN DECLARATION O - Pastebin.com 915638;1415527524;punkbot;cazalla: Queued 1 valid deed for next bundle. 915639;1415528188;punkbot;Bundled 1 deed | http://deeds.bitcoin-assets.com/b/17QDikg3 915640;1415528762;punkbot;Confirmed bundle 17QDikg3DHHNPnbq43ScYq17nMsN1G4XSo | http://deeds.bitcoin-assets.com/b/17QDikg3 915641;1415528884;punkbot;[trust-update] added: adlai 915642;1415529394;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14850 @ 0.00055845 = 8.293 BTC [-] 915643;1415530939;jurov;puknman what key? 915644;1415530961;jurov;*punkman 915645;1415531052;punkman;adlai tried posting to mail list, but you don't have his key yet 915646;1415531155;jurov;mhm 915647;1415531838;PinkPosixPXE;looks like he got authed 915648;1415531845;PinkPosixPXE;;;gpg info adlai 915649;1415531845;gribble;User 'Adlai', with keyid 4D88596A7CDA03F9, fingerprint FCBC64EFDF1D6C1E4E964AEE4D88596A7CDA03F9, and bitcoin address 13dkw1PtojBW74FN7ERbHqoEvgsTmtARuj, registered on Sat Oct 6 00:55:28 2012, last authed on Sun Nov 9 04:47:12 2014. http://b-otc.com/vg?nick=Adlai . Currently authenticated from hostmask Adlai!~Adlai@gateway/tor-sasl/adlai . 915650;1415532078;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11600 @ 0.00055845 = 6.478 BTC [-] 915651;1415532139;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27300 @ 0.00056218 = 15.3475 BTC [+] 915652;1415532752;jurov;;;later tell Adlai you're in 915653;1415532752;gribble;The operation succeeded. 915654;1415537995;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 38606 @ 0.00056347 = 21.7533 BTC [+] 915655;1415538056;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24568 @ 0.00056347 = 13.8433 BTC [+] 915656;1415542326;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12100 @ 0.00056629 = 6.8521 BTC [+] 915657;1415543729;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14937 @ 0.00056469 = 8.4348 BTC [-] {2} 915658;1415547013;mod6;.deed http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=N4G424fA 915659;1415547013;punkbot;mod6: Queued 1 valid deed for next bundle. 915660;1415547715;punkbot;Bundled 1 deed | http://deeds.bitcoin-assets.com/b/1Kd3Fxzj 915661;1415547902;punkbot;Confirmed bundle 1Kd3FxzjPcjGW2icEneEEZgBgX7r37jS1S | http://deeds.bitcoin-assets.com/b/1Kd3Fxzj 915662;1415547960;mod6;<+asciilifeform> gotta sign, so we 'all hang together or separately' (as, i think, were the words of the americans.) << As true today as it was for Benjamin Franklin at the signing of the Declaration of Independence in 1776 915663;1415548365;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14200 @ 0.00056629 = 8.0413 BTC [+] 915664;1415548792;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13050 @ 0.00056448 = 7.3665 BTC [-] 915665;1415550378;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4100 @ 0.00056448 = 2.3144 BTC [-] 915666;1415550953;asciilifeform;http://cryptome.org/2014/11/darknet-sweep.pdf 915667;1415550973;asciilifeform;^ http://pastebin.com/AAT1ZWq5 915668;1415550973;assbot;Darknet Sweep Casts Doubt on Tor Tor Will Be Defeated Again, and Again, and Ag - Pastebin.com 915669;1415551202;mircea_popescu;heh. 915670;1415551263;asciilifeform;kakobrekla, mircea_popescu, others - re: 'nopdf' - i actually used to own 'nopdf.com' and planned to put a similar widget there. (2009-ish?) 915671;1415551282;asciilifeform;even included the caching thing 915672;1415551333;asciilifeform;but then realized that it would be mostly useless (in those days, almost everything i ever saw in 'pdf' belonged in that or similar format - technical documents heavy on graphics) 915673;1415551359;mircea_popescu;well, you gotta remember, a thing made is always a platform for further things. 915674;1415551408;asciilifeform;i did write a gizmo that outputs graphical render for the pages, but realized that the bandwidth and disk cache costs would break my back, and then let the domain go to the vultures. 915675;1415551540;asciilifeform;the interesting thing is the 'psychiatric' reason for the pestilential spread of pdf for text. 915676;1415551550;asciilifeform;it's essentially the same as the reason 'flash' exists. 915677;1415551602;mircea_popescu;the reason for it is contained in the declaration's last paragraphs. 915678;1415551613;mircea_popescu;governments have actual money to waste, and they do on hiring idiots. 915679;1415551618;asciilifeform;actually it's much simpler 915680;1415551623;mircea_popescu;then those idiots become a group large enough to drive fashions. 915681;1415551642;mircea_popescu;keeping idiots poor and powerless is the only sound purpose of government. 915682;1415551687;asciilifeform;plenty of people who aren't the least bit idiotic or government-affiliated want to package a document and have it appear exactly the same on the other end of the wire. 915683;1415551724;asciilifeform;no demented font substitutions, no dysfunctional selective execution of 'stylesheet' crud, etc. 915684;1415551730;asciilifeform;actual same picture. 915685;1415551749;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform and why do they want this ? 915686;1415551757;mircea_popescu;oh, wait, because the audience is demented and can't be trusted ? 915687;1415551808;asciilifeform;what observables would be different if the audience were not demented, and could be trusted? 915688;1415551823;mircea_popescu;you pump out the text, they figure out how to display it ? 915689;1415551837;mircea_popescu;you know, like... usenet ?! 915690;1415551850;mircea_popescu;nobody perceived a need for pdf back before sept 1993 did they ? 915691;1415551855;asciilifeform;actually 915692;1415551873;asciilifeform;postscript (essentially the guts of pdf) existed. 915693;1415551881;mircea_popescu;yes. 915694;1415551889;asciilifeform;and heavily used, by academics 915695;1415551891;mircea_popescu;and it was used to ? wait for it! 915696;1415551896;mircea_popescu;to talk to motherfucking printers 915697;1415551899;mircea_popescu;which were demented at the time. 915698;1415551913;asciilifeform;it's still state of the art in driving printer. 915699;1415551916;mircea_popescu;i tell you. fixed-form is an instrument for talking with the braindamaged. 915700;1415551930;mircea_popescu;well yes, because printers are still by and large about as smart as a public servant. 915701;1415551937;mircea_popescu;smart isn't the world. about as sane. 915702;1415551946;asciilifeform;i like manuals, academic papers, etc. in dead tree. 915703;1415551955;mircea_popescu;sure. 915704;1415551956;asciilifeform;and reflowable text sent to printer, looks like piss. 915705;1415551965;mircea_popescu;it wouldn't have to. 915706;1415551980;asciilifeform;the only solution to above is to essentially do the typesetter's job and latexize it 915707;1415552028;mircea_popescu;you know, while this may well be a pn complete problem in the general case, 915708;1415552036;mircea_popescu;that general case is actually chtulhu speaking 915709;1415552036;asciilifeform;i question that it even makes sense to ask for smart reflow independent of page size and shape 915710;1415552043;mircea_popescu;otherwise, the problem is not nearly as hard as all that. 915711;1415552064;mircea_popescu;dude. i question it even makes sense to have a good programming language right back at ya! 915712;1415552065;asciilifeform;tell that to the latex folks, they would love to know the elixir. 915713;1415552070;mircea_popescu;it ALWAYS makes sense to be smart. 915714;1415552086;asciilifeform;incidentally, they have quite a bit of clever automatics re: reflow 915715;1415552094;asciilifeform;but notice humans are still involved in typesetting. 915716;1415552113;mircea_popescu;sure. 915717;1415552258;mircea_popescu;fucking fidonet didn't need no stinking pdf. 915718;1415552282;mircea_popescu;and you know what ? it allowed asciiart! 915719;1415552296;mircea_popescu;how the fuck can you do that w/o adobe o noes! 915720;1415552305;mircea_popescu;none of the fucking lines allign! save us microsoft! 915721;1415552320;chetty;adobe is one of the pillars of evil 915722;1415552330;asciilifeform;aha i'll wait for somebody to asciiart my old soviet magazine scans, yes. 915723;1415552389;asciilifeform;basic problem here: if there were ten million idiots swinging hammers at strangers in the city streets, it does not thereby follow that carpenters ought to get by without hammers. 915724;1415552408;mircea_popescu;i am not proposing to remove the carpenter's hammers. 915725;1415552441;chetty;adobe reps were very adept at sabatoge back in the w3c days 915726;1415552442;mircea_popescu;fwiw, asylum, which i typeset myself, was printed as a pdf. the house ran a large web press, did my run in like three hours. 915727;1415553786;asciilifeform;also must appreciate how much hand-driven 'typesetting' (e.g., using linebreaks and editing around known fixed row/column viewers such as the 80x25 term) took place in the 'golden age' of fido et al 915728;1415553891;mircea_popescu;a man is not required to inherit his father's warts. 915729;1415553907;asciilifeform;except those were vital organs, not warts 915730;1415553921;asciilifeform;fact is, i don't want to read code page-broken in random places. 915731;1415553927;mircea_popescu;fixed row/column viewers ? how. 915732;1415553982;asciilifeform;well, elementary case of msdos text mode. 915733;1415554007;asciilifeform;plenty of things were written to fit in its 'screen-full' 915734;1415554058;asciilifeform;but more relevant to printers. fact is, reading anything technical that wasn't formatted for a particular page shape, and suffer idiot breaks. 915735;1415554074;mircea_popescu;these don't sound so much like vital organs. 915736;1415554099;JorgePasada;Greetings 915737;1415554118;asciilifeform;do you even use printers. 915738;1415554127;ben_vulpes;lookie lookie 915739;1415554139;pete_dushenski;http://rt.com/news/203583-drone-boning-porn-nsfw/ 915740;1415554144;JorgePasada;Hey Ben :-) 915741;1415554152;JorgePasada;Long time no see 915742;1415554199;*;pete_dushenski wonders why mod6 and asciilifeform signed the tithe3 with SHA1... 915743;1415554215;asciilifeform;pete_dushenski: ancient key 915744;1415554233;pete_dushenski;asciilifeform so ancient that you can't setpref to SHA512? 915745;1415554252;*;asciilifeform probably ought to 915746;1415554320;asciilifeform;problem is, let's say the devil has sha1 collision finder, and decides to apply to my case 915747;1415554337;asciilifeform;since my key flag bits permit sha1, he can still, say, sign into gribble as me. 915748;1415554343;asciilifeform;until i retire this key. 915749;1415554346;mod6;pete_dushenski: ah, yah, overlooked the flag *grumble* 915750;1415554383;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform yeah, and suppose you see a message from me using sha1 when you know i use sha512. 915751;1415554385;mircea_popescu;what now ? 915752;1415554390;mircea_popescu;canaries are canaries yeh ? 915753;1415554393;asciilifeform;aha. 915754;1415554430;mircea_popescu;gotta understand that any big bad only exists as a work of fiction, otherwise is simply a collection of men. gotta give those men ways out, so that "mysterious" and "inexplicable" things happen 915755;1415554451;mircea_popescu;big bad is dumb as rocks, on its own. has nfi what all the things mean. 915756;1415554499;*;asciilifeform thinks back to various stories of captive soldiers getting messages out through various clever means. 915757;1415554504;pete_dushenski;https://www.debian-administration.org/users/dkg/weblog/48 << how to, just on the very-off-chance 915758;1415554505;assbot;Weblog for dkg - HOWTO prep for migration off of SHA-1 in OpenPGP 915759;1415554526;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9554 @ 0.00056563 = 5.404 BTC [+] 915760;1415554529;mircea_popescu;easiest thing in the world is a mistake. the fucking cold war was won not by any other means than... mistakes. 915761;1415554548;pete_dushenski;the cold war was won? 915762;1415554556;mircea_popescu;multiple times. 915763;1415554567;*;pete_dushenski listening 915764;1415554610;mod6;well, i guess there isn't anything I can do now, other than sign it again with 512 :// 915765;1415554633;mircea_popescu;at some point in the cold war, the united states president was a totally inept ninkompoop, principally remembered for having taken his shoes off in the un council. this guy had an oversized military and inept economic policies that stalled the country. his fellow americans didn't think much of him, kept making little mistakes. 915766;1415554662;mircea_popescu;these piled up, eventually the us collapsed of it, took them twenty years to regroup, but meanwhile lost alaska and california. 915767;1415554668;JorgePasada;Anyone going to CCC this year? I'm thinking about making the trip 915768;1415554691;mircea_popescu;course then russia was trying to join california in the warsaw pact, and a bunch of topless aggitator chicks kept fucking the pot, 915769;1415554694;mircea_popescu;so in the end it's unclear. 915770;1415554732;asciilifeform;l0l! 915771;1415554737;mircea_popescu;shush you :) 915772;1415554753;mircea_popescu;appreciate my "in the end it's unclear" instead. it's damned good :D 915773;1415554805;mircea_popescu;mod6 it's no big deal, just change your pref and forget about it. 915774;1415554821;mircea_popescu;JorgePasada which is ccc again ? 915775;1415554822;mod6;*nod* ok, thanks mp 915776;1415554831;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3000 @ 0.00056629 = 1.6989 BTC [+] 915777;1415554916;JorgePasada;https://twitter.com/31c3 915778;1415554918;assbot;CCC - 31c3 (@31c3) on Twitter 915779;1415554932;JorgePasada;Technically 31c3 is the confrerence I guess 915780;1415554960;JorgePasada;Chaos Computer Club (Conference) 915781;1415555170;mircea_popescu;ah, hamburg is a nice town 915782;1415555170;asciilifeform;punkbot deed http://pastebin.com/kwr11bEU 915783;1415555171;assbot;-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA512 Title: BITCOIN DECLARATION O - Pastebin.com 915784;1415555171;punkbot;asciilifeform: Queued 1 valid deed for next bundle. 915785;1415555197;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4382 @ 0.00056629 = 2.4815 BTC [+] 915786;1415555242;pete_dushenski;noob question about pgp keys: is there any sense in airgapping for signing only? 915787;1415555280;asciilifeform;pete_dushenski: the point of airgapping is to defend the key. which you are using when you sign, yes 915788;1415555303;pete_dushenski;right 915789;1415555307;ben_vulpes;you can also pull your master key out of the keyring and stash it safely somewhere, pete_dushenski 915790;1415555371;pete_dushenski;so i guess the question is whether keeping a key online for gribble authing is *that* much of a risk 915791;1415555390;asciilifeform;the only person who can correctly determine your favourite level of risk - is you 915792;1415555398;pete_dushenski;myea 915793;1415555452;pete_dushenski;i suppose you could use a subkey for gribble and keep the master airgapped 915794;1415555513;asciilifeform;does wot mechanism automatically respect superceding keys? 915795;1415555516;asciilifeform;i still don't know this. 915796;1415555548;asciilifeform;personally, i have always used only the most basic and essential subset of pgp std. functionality. 915797;1415555579;asciilifeform;and wot isn't even the only gizmo here that uses keys 915798;1415555586;asciilifeform;jurov's turdatron, another 915799;1415555602;asciilifeform;and the ultimate champ in cementing ancient keys in place, or so i'm told, mircea_popescu's mpex 915800;1415555611;asciilifeform;where you gotta resubscribe if want to swap key. 915801;1415555701;PeterL;asciilifeform: re flash: my daughter's school uses some online math games, requires flash. I tried to log her in, can't because most recent flash is no longer supporting linux or pre-'08 macOS 915802;1415555731;asciilifeform;PeterL: it is worth thinking about why 'flash' remains a thing. 915803;1415555755;JorgePasada;PeterL: You running something with a PowerPC chip? 915804;1415555758;pete_dushenski;not like jobs didn't try to kill it 915805;1415555767;PeterL;just another way to introduce more dependencies 915806;1415555781;mircea_popescu; personally, i have always used only the most basic and essential subset of pgp std. functionality. << 915807;1415555782;PeterL;JorgePasada: no, it is an intel 915808;1415555827;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: re: why cement? 915809;1415555829;JorgePasada;PeterL: Couldn't you just download a custom browser package that has a version of flash bundled with it then? 915810;1415555831;punkbot;Bundled 1 deed | http://deeds.bitcoin-assets.com/b/1DDnMWek 915811;1415555835;PeterL;but old enough that it can't upgrade to newer versions of MacOS 915812;1415555842;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform no, re i do the same. 915813;1415555845;asciilifeform;aha 915814;1415555853;asciilifeform;i suspect most folks here do this. 915815;1415555854;PeterL;JorgePasada: do they have such things? 915816;1415555883;mircea_popescu;PeterL yeah, flash running browsers have been a ubuntu specialty. 915817;1415555890;PeterL;I don't feel like I need flash enough to get a whole new browser 915818;1415555892;JorgePasada;PeterL: I believe that all versions of chrome do this automatically 915819;1415555925;PeterL;Oh, my computer can't get chrome, in VM Ubuntu the chrome says it can't get the latest flash 915820;1415555945;mircea_popescu;ahahaha 915821;1415555951;asciilifeform;http://philip.greenspun.com/research/internet-haters << how we ended up with 'flash' and similar crap. 915822;1415555952;assbot;Internet Haters -- HTML Chapter 915823;1415555965;PeterL;I might just break down and get a newer computer sometime 915824;1415555997;asciilifeform;'flash' survives precisely because it is a mostly opaque binary format, which browsers can't 'spread democracy to' 915825;1415556022;PeterL;sort of the complete opposite of open source? 915826;1415556024;mircea_popescu;that';s a good point. 915827;1415556037;mircea_popescu;PeterL well, yes. "a man in charge" situation. 915828;1415556049;asciilifeform;(see also http://www.loper-os.org/?p=309 ) 915829;1415556050;assbot;Loper OS » No Formats, no Format Wars. 915830;1415556061;mircea_popescu;as stupid as the man in charge can be, the benefits often outpace the damage. this was discussed here re stalin 915831;1415556067;asciilifeform;aha. 915832;1415556082;asciilifeform;this is why flash survives in spite of being written by - what appears to be downs-syndrome cases 915833;1415556093;asciilifeform;(or simply inept players of 'underhanded c contest') 915834;1415556130;asciilifeform;www in the html-js-and-extension-crud sense is a case of standards 'so open their brains fall out' 915835;1415556148;asciilifeform;a whole gang of vultures 'embraced and extended' them, including but not limited to microshit 915836;1415556175;asciilifeform;everything i just said re: flash, applies also to 'pdf' 915837;1415556196;mircea_popescu;this is, at least in my view, why personal sovereignity is not avoidable on the mid or long term. 915838;1415556205;mircea_popescu;the open/closed software has no stable solution otherwise. 915839;1415556208;asciilifeform;gotta keep democrashit out. 915840;1415556212;asciilifeform;or dissolve in it. 915841;1415556238;mircea_popescu;incidentally, living things seem a little more advanced than our computers on this exact path 915842;1415556260;mircea_popescu;they use exaclty a biological implementation of personal sovereignity to build open but not too open systems that survive well in the world. 915843;1415556283;asciilifeform;a greybeard once described the modern computer as 'apartment with plumbing but no sewer connection' 915844;1415556297;mircea_popescu;lol 915845;1415556304;asciilifeform;it did not make sense in my mind at the time. 915846;1415556330;asciilifeform;the above point re: flash and pdf, also applies to game machines. 915847;1415556347;mircea_popescu;but anyway, for the theoretically minded : would you say the b-a software paradigm is open source or closed source ? 915848;1415556353;mircea_popescu;because it technically satisfies both definitions. 915849;1415556362;asciilifeform;one reason why folks still write programs for toys such as 'super nintendo' - despite the need to DIY roms 915850;1415556375;asciilifeform;because the machine is standard. as in, entirely. and entirely stateless except for your rom. 915851;1415556397;asciilifeform;hence definable. and works, like mathematics, rather than like sand castle built in a cesspit. 915852;1415556403;mircea_popescu;yeah hacking the supernintendo is actually still part of training hackers afaik. 915853;1415556404;punkbot;Confirmed bundle 1DDnMWekucn2XDeCHpfgz5MvM5Y6VYiVp2 | http://deeds.bitcoin-assets.com/b/1DDnMWek 915854;1415556416;PeterL;we have a software paradigm now? 915855;1415556419;asciilifeform;b-a software paradigm? 915856;1415556433;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform PeterL it's developing software, is it not ? 915857;1415556456;PeterL;could you specify our paradigm? 915858;1415556461;asciilifeform;from what i can personally see, it's heavy on the duct tape 915859;1415556476;asciilifeform;and likely to suffer the fate of the first deedbot at some point, possibly repeatedly 915860;1415556481;mircea_popescu;PeterL well, it should be obvious in the logs :D!!! 915861;1415556486;PeterL;so far, to me, it looks open source 915862;1415556495;mircea_popescu;PeterL if you're in the wot. 915863;1415556510;PeterL;but anybody can read it 915864;1415556518;mircea_popescu;suppose ninjashogun wants to push a patch for deedbot. or, whatever, the cardano. 915865;1415556523;PeterL;and anybody can get into the WoT 915866;1415556531;mircea_popescu;yes, anyone can read it. i went to a swinger's club yest, anyone could look at my bitches. 915867;1415556542;mircea_popescu;and i did happen to have the finest bitches in the place, buncha losers. 915868;1415556545;mircea_popescu;but what's in a look ? 915869;1415556572;mircea_popescu;and no, emphatically NOT anyone can get in the wot. 915870;1415556586;mircea_popescu;that safadean fellow can get in the wot. but otherwise, most people can try. 915871;1415556594;PeterL;well, with code, they could fork it and make their own version 915872;1415556600;mircea_popescu;sure, they could. 915873;1415556608;asciilifeform;and they can grow own gurlz 915874;1415556610;mircea_popescu;i hear gavin is planning to fork bitcoin and make his own version. 915875;1415556611;mircea_popescu;so ? 915876;1415556628;PeterL;so therefore it is open for anybody to take 915877;1415556644;mircea_popescu;heh. 915878;1415556652;asciilifeform;one possible argument here is that the complete system is not in the code. 915879;1415556654;JorgePasada;PeterL: Anyone can fork it, not anyone can do the backlog of proof of work to 'take' things though. 915880;1415556671;mircea_popescu;PeterL huns are open for anyone to take, and kill themselves with. 915881;1415556682;PeterL;lol 915882;1415556683;mircea_popescu;code works slowly, you spend a life and in the end it's all a waste. 915883;1415556686;JorgePasada;asciilifeform: exactly, it's in the network of people & the chain of transactions and everything that's brought us to this point. 915884;1415556704;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform this is necessarily so. because godel is a cult. 915885;1415556724;mircea_popescu;PeterL look at the discussion about al schwartz's failed measurements. 915886;1415556730;asciilifeform;^^ 915887;1415556731;mircea_popescu;he ~could~ have made his own chemistry. 915888;1415556740;mircea_popescu;except ars longa cocka smalla. 915889;1415556784;*;mircea_popescu re-reads, notices he misspelled guns as huns, wonders why the fuck has he not realised this before. 915890;1415556805;PeterL;would you consider chemistry literature open or closed? I guess it is similar idea, to put stuff in it has to be vetted by experts 915891;1415556816;scoopbot;New post on Trilema by Mircea Popescu: http://trilema.com/2014/pigfarmin/ 915892;1415556825;asciilifeform;PeterL: what is the point of shoehorning things into these weird categories? 915893;1415556829;mircea_popescu;^ that's r18 btw, don't read among small children. 915894;1415556847;PeterL;dunno, mircea_popescu asked about open/closed source 915895;1415556865;mircea_popescu;PeterL the reason i said "for the theoretically minded" was exactly this tongue in cheek point. "take your broken models and try make sense of the world whydontcha!" 915896;1415556894;PeterL;but I want everything to fit in the models I already have !!1! 915897;1415556944;mircea_popescu;you'd make a great nine year old 915898;1415556972;pete_dushenski;https://twitter.com/pete_dushenski/status/531243553415233536 915899;1415556974;assbot;Just like http://t.co/VhF3XQ1Tiq RT /nntaleb: Hard to conceive, but /hashtag/ISIS?src=hash is the product of the internet. 915900;1415556996;pete_dushenski;@pete_dushenski Just like http://bitcoin-assets.com RT @nntaleb: Hard to conceive, but #ISIS is the product of the internet. 915901;1415556996;assbot;#bitcoin-assets | You cannot stop the clouds by the building of a ship. 915902;1415557003;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: pigfarmin' << it's like my childhood favorite 'alt.tasteless' newsgroup lives again! 915903;1415557010;*;asciilifeform takes off hat 915904;1415557030;mircea_popescu;lol 915905;1415557052;mircea_popescu;anyway, re the entire extension and so forth : everything that works on the internet and in the world works on "our" principles. 915906;1415557067;mircea_popescu;who the fuck ever read whatever software the dns letters run ? who ever wrote a patch for it ? 915907;1415557117;asciilifeform;this is more or less same as the (very true) observation that buildings which stand up, whether in england or in best-korea, are designed on same basic principles. 915908;1415557134;mircea_popescu;right. 915909;1415557155;pete_dushenski;which is why they invented hammurabi's code 915910;1415557165;pete_dushenski;the architect knows more than the inspector ever could 915911;1415557180;pete_dushenski;building fails, dead architect 915912;1415557204;ben_vulpes;"they"? 915913;1415557220;assbot;Last 4 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/1GN8SYD.txt ) 915914;1415557220;asciilifeform;!b 4 915915;1415557244;pete_dushenski;ben_vulpes god? babylonians? what difference does it make ;) 915916;1415557262;pete_dushenski;the concept of skin in the game is nothing new 915917;1415557620;JorgePasada;pete_dushenski: Yeah, we just have a lot of half-assed implimentations of it in modern society. 915918;1415557660;mircea_popescu;to "foster creativity" 915919;1415557666;JorgePasada;Bitcoin is a whole-assed implementation of skin in the game... 915920;1415557684;JorgePasada;or an assholes implementation, forget which. 915921;1415557698;pete_dushenski;lol 915922;1415557709;mircea_popescu;rapist's. 915923;1415557718;pete_dushenski;anyways i'm off. have a great afternoon! 915924;1415557725;mircea_popescu;i believe the proper femsociety word for one who does not care about stupid shit is rapist. 915925;1415557759;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33054 @ 0.00056629 = 18.7181 BTC [+] 915926;1415558066;mircea_popescu;"The result? A formatting language too wimpy even for a novel." <<< this is pure nonsense. i had my novel on the web just fine in plain html. 915927;1415558076;mircea_popescu;and speaking of which! http://www.amazon.com/Asylum-The-Novel-Chet/dp/B000ODPCKQ holy shit aftermarket. 915928;1415558077;assbot;Asylum: The Novel: Chet, Zeno: Amazon.com: Books 915929;1415558134;chetty;hahahahaha 915930;1415558164;*;asciilifeform bought 915931;1415558200;mircea_popescu;chetty can you believe people still buy your stuff a decade later ? 915932;1415558212;mircea_popescu;i mean... that's like britney spears level. 915933;1415558220;chetty;weird 915934;1415558283;chetty;now I wonder how many copies of that are floating about 915935;1415558294;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform it was a fun thing to make, that. i think i still have the publisher responses somewhere, "omg you write the greatest letters and whoa so sorry i can't publish this" 915936;1415558449;asciilifeform;http://www.xach.com/naggum/articles/3239316488198320@naggum.no.html << obligatory naggum on formatting 915937;1415558449;assbot;Re: The Next Generation of Lisp Programmers - Naggum cll archive 915938;1415558471;chetty;http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2827116/Kissing-bug-disease-infected-300-000-people-don-t-know-parasite-referred-new-AIDS.html 915939;1415558471;assbot;'Kissing bug' disease infected OVER 300,000 people in the US | Daily Mail Online 915940;1415558539;mircea_popescu;http://trilema.com/2009/lectia-de-humor/ speaking of mono 915941;1415558540;assbot;Lectia de humor pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. 915942;1415558591;chetty;this isnt mono, its a parasite from central america 915943;1415558613;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10550 @ 0.00056643 = 5.9758 BTC [+] {2} 915944;1415558653;mircea_popescu;o a new one ?! 915945;1415558678;chetty;nah, just new to the us, because of all the immigration 915946;1415558684;mircea_popescu;ah chagas. heh. 915947;1415558711;mircea_popescu;chetty ultimate disease of poverty. 915948;1415558728;mircea_popescu;i guess after all the tb and bedbug outbreaks in the best socialist california, twas unavoidable. 915949;1415558755;asciilifeform;all the weird diseases of the tropics, necrotizing fasciitis, etc., will find a welcoming home in usa. 915950;1415558789;asciilifeform;buruli ulcer. 915951;1415558799;mircea_popescu;what's that burning water worm called ? 915952;1415558803;asciilifeform;you name it, there's a welcoming climate here somewhere for it. 915953;1415558865;mircea_popescu;;;google dracunculus medinensis. 915954;1415558865;gribble;Dracunculus medinensis - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: ; CDC - Guinea Worm Disease - Biology: ; CDC - Guinea Worm: 915955;1415559040;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35800 @ 0.00056641 = 20.2775 BTC [-] {2} 915956;1415559155;mircea_popescu;anyway, speaking of leprosy, that thing is a wonder to behold. 915957;1415559176;mircea_popescu;it's basically a normal bacterium genome that was completely mushed to bits, barely a third of it still works. 915958;1415559206;mircea_popescu;yet the thing still survived to present day. makes stuff like the www look likely to live on. 915959;1415559606;mircea_popescu;"Professional graphic artists generally produce Web sites on Macintoshes. They slave over the images until the mid-tones look just right, mid-tones that will be mapped almost to black on a typical Sun workstation or PC. The solution to this problem is trivial: a gamma= field in the IMG HTML tag." 915960;1415559611;mircea_popescu;holy shit bad idea omfg. 915961;1415559630;mircea_popescu;giving idiot "web designers" a gamma= is like giving idiot web designers autoplay video with a volume=. 915962;1415559638;mircea_popescu;worst idea ever, greenspun should be shot. 915963;1415559718;asciilifeform;gamma-whateverthefuck on uncalibrated displays that one has never seen with own eyes... 915964;1415559722;asciilifeform;very special, yes. 915965;1415559764;*;asciilifeform was recently issued a $maxint laptop and was surprised to discover a built-in spectrometer. 915966;1415559807;asciilifeform;http://imagescdn.tweaktown.com/content/6/5/6539_44_lenovo_thinkpad_w540_mobile_workstation_laptop_review.jpg << that one 915967;1415559819;asciilifeform;haven't tried it, winblows-only it seems 915968;1415559835;mircea_popescu;lmao 915969;1415559849;mircea_popescu;dude.... spend the time to put a (was it clock driven ?) spectrometer in a laptop 915970;1415559853;mircea_popescu;run it on windows. 915971;1415559919;asciilifeform;there's a reverse-engineered driver for it, somewhere. can't be bothered. 915972;1415559919;mircea_popescu;"If you wrote @bold{foo} instead of foo, you would not even /want/ to say @bold{foo @italic{bar} zot} if you expected to get foo in bold, zot in italic, and bar in both." <<< wait, wut ? 915973;1415559952;mircea_popescu;dafuck would i want to say, @b{foo}@bi 915974;1415559956;mircea_popescu;{bar} ? 915975;1415560056;asciilifeform;the verbose monstrosities of **ml-series were justified by the notion that a) no one will ever be forced to write them by hand b) no one will ever be forced to read them with naked eyes 915976;1415560074;asciilifeform;both turned out to be crocks of shit 915977;1415560112;asciilifeform;and the basic premise was also a crock of shit (if no naked eyes nor naked hands, why not a compact binary format?) 915978;1415560114;mircea_popescu;no but wait, my question is, if not {[()]} then what, ()[()]() etc ? 915979;1415560136;asciilifeform;he was arguing, in the end, for s-expressions. 915980;1415560187;mircea_popescu;in the end. and its a great point. but before he gets there he steps in it. 915981;1415560199;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9550 @ 0.00056563 = 5.4018 BTC [-] 915982;1415560229;*;asciilifeform off to see some exotic cats. raises a glass to the ghost of moiety. 915983;1415561297;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30983 @ 0.00056448 = 17.4893 BTC [-] 915984;1415561464;mod6;.deed http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=jv7pPT8p 915985;1415561464;punkbot;mod6: Queued 1 valid deed for next bundle. 915986;1415561481;mod6;^ with the 512 for good measure 915987;1415561538;mod6;mp also, thx for the tip about "personal-digest-preferences" 915988;1415561761;mod6;so has anyone else noticed that the makefile doesn't provide a way to build /without/ debug flags? lol 915989;1415561790;mod6;you know, incase you'd like to have a binary that isn't bloated with debug symbols? 915990;1415561823;mod6;anyway, there is a bunch of stuff obv. just another thing for clean up at some point. 915991;1415562036;punkman;re: sha1 and gpg settings, this is useful https://github.com/coruus/cooperpair/blob/master/saneprefs/gpg.conf 915992;1415562036;assbot;cooperpair/gpg.conf at master · coruus/cooperpair · GitHub 915993;1415562103;punkman;repository also has example of colliding keyids 915994;1415562143;punkbot;Bundled 1 deed | http://deeds.bitcoin-assets.com/b/17gPmTTu 915995;1415562273;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2283 @ 0.00056656 = 1.2935 BTC [+] 915996;1415563149;mircea_popescu;mod6 yeah, and i dunno why that is. 915997;1415563188;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17300 @ 0.00056662 = 9.8025 BTC [+] 915998;1415563322;mircea_popescu;punkman: any objections to punkbot changing name to "notary"? << i like it. 915999;1415563442;mod6;ah, yeah +1 916000;1415563460;punkbot;Confirmed bundle 17gPmTTuoDRYZXAAHgEu1NZHQwMYeRUoHC | http://deeds.bitcoin-assets.com/b/17gPmTTu 916001;1415563792;jurov;punkbot: deed https://coinbr.com/decl.txt.asc 916002;1415563793;punkbot;jurov: Queued 1 valid deed for next bundle. 916003;1415563957;ben_vulpes;lol did we *all* overlook the typo in the last paragraph? 916004;1415563967;mircea_popescu;cazalla: australian* even << really seems that guy is trying superhard to belong ? 916005;1415563981;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes i was curiously waiting for the first one to notice. 916006;1415563992;mircea_popescu;i guess you get the fox award. 916007;1415564000;ben_vulpes;'twas mod6 actually 916008;1415564013;*;ben_vulpes has a feeling he'll be saying that a lot 916009;1415564017;mircea_popescu;lol 916010;1415564093;jurov;oppinion? 916011;1415564108;mircea_popescu;yea 916012;1415564164;jurov;that's there for future data archeologists, to discern fakes 916013;1415564228;scoopbot;New post on Trilema by Mircea Popescu: http://trilema.com/2014/an-interesting-anthropology-question/ 916014;1415564246;jurov;they will also consider this a confirmation that mircea rides his keyboard hard 916015;1415564296;mircea_popescu;https://github.com/coruus/cooperpair/blob/master/saneprefs/gpg.conf << not bad! 916016;1415564297;assbot;cooperpair/gpg.conf at master · coruus/cooperpair · GitHub 916017;1415564411;mircea_popescu;http://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/openpgp/current/msg01077.html << who the fuck came up with thar brilliant idea. 916018;1415564411;assbot;Re: Suggested changes for DSA2, take 4 916019;1415564423;jurov;the article mentions "boundries" several times, too 916020;1415564429;mircea_popescu;"If the output size of the chosen hash is larger than the number of bits of q, the hash result is truncated to fit by taking the number of leftmost bits equal to the number of bits of q. This (possibly truncated) hash function result is treated as a number and used directly in the DSA signature algorithm." 916021;1415564516;mircea_popescu;ah ty. 916022;1415564588;mircea_popescu;http://bitdesire.com/crypto-money-expo-online-meeting/ << who is this ? 916023;1415564589;assbot;Crypto Money Expo - Bitcoin online meeting - Bitdesire - The Bitcoin Network 916024;1415564719;jurov;Both conference founder Eyal Abramovitch and speaker/sponsor Ofir Beigel are members of Meni Rosenfeld‘s Israeli bitcoiner meetup. 916025;1415565732;punkman;https://github.com/coruus/cooperpair/tree/master/keysteak << "intercepts a request for a key by keyid, generates a PGPv3 key, performs the 0xdeadbeef attack, and returns a spoofed (but valid) PGPv3 key with the same long keyid." 916026;1415565732;assbot;cooperpair/keysteak at master · coruus/cooperpair · GitHub 916027;1415565747;punkbot;Bundled 1 deed | http://deeds.bitcoin-assets.com/b/1N8cgoM7 916028;1415565901;mircea_popescu;punkbot kinda why we use fingerprints. 916029;1415565934;punkbot;Confirmed bundle 1N8cgoM7SEC7bStCwWEuWFTcn8pKJGgcYa | http://deeds.bitcoin-assets.com/b/1N8cgoM7 916030;1415566161;ben_vulpes;mircea_popescu: i think it claims to handle fingerprints as well: https://github.com/coruus/cooperpair/tree/master/keysteak#usage 916031;1415566161;assbot;cooperpair/keysteak at master · coruus/cooperpair · GitHub 916032;1415566182;mircea_popescu;that's a bold claim. 916033;1415566218;ben_vulpes;it's hard to tell if it's claiming that. the doc says "try this" 916034;1415566221;ben_vulpes;and i've not. 916035;1415566226;mircea_popescu;o wait, this is pgp v3 916036;1415566233;mircea_popescu;forget it lol, the thing is roughly bitcoin .9 916037;1415566256;mircea_popescu;i think even debian dropped it 5 years ago 916038;1415566280;ben_vulpes;subject of .9, has anyone downloaded the full chain with a .5/.6/.7/.8/.9 client? no bootstrapping, no shared db? 916039;1415566287;mircea_popescu;(v3 keys were md5 hashed) 916040;1415566322;punkman;it also does some tricks to make it look like v4 "Create a PGPv3 public key, v4 UID, and v4 signature" 916041;1415566522;mircea_popescu;anyway, this is of relatively little consequence to us, because we use gribble rather than the pks mess. 916042;1415566583;punkman;worth a few words on wiki 916043;1415566595;punkman;don't steal my shares guys http://deeds.bitcoin-assets.com/deed/5RE44ZXbZyHhDqxLaBvKiYUztfyDcJSATzE8Gy4mN2eD 916044;1415566596;assbot;Deed 5RE44ZXb | #bitcoin-assets deed registry 916045;1415566808;mircea_popescu;yeah srsly, use fingerprints. but that aside, best practice is still to extract key via gribble db 916046;1415566843;punkman;you can only get fingerprint from gribble 916047;1415566870;mircea_popescu;yes. 916048;1415566883;mircea_popescu;what do you mean only ? that's what it is. 916049;1415566912;mircea_popescu;keyid8A736F0E2FB7B452 fingerprint 6160E1CAC8A3C52966FD76998A736F0E2FB7B452 916050;1415566967;mircea_popescu;https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/sci.crypt/JSSM6NbfweQ << this is good on the topic 916051;1415566967;assbot;Google Gruppi 916052;1415566976;mircea_popescu;(of deadbeef v3 gpg sigs attack) 916053;1415567574;cazalla; http://bitdesire.com/crypto-money-expo-online-meeting/ << who is this ? <<< i'm reading this and think, i fucking wrote this article! 916054;1415567575;assbot;Crypto Money Expo - Bitcoin online meeting - Bitdesire - The Bitcoin Network 916055;1415567607;mircea_popescu;lol 916056;1415567612;mircea_popescu;so leave the guy a comment. 916057;1415567647;jurov;ben_vulpes iirc i did it with .7 or .8 then "bootstrapped" .9 by pointing it to .8 node on LAN 916058;1415567786;mircea_popescu;did with numerous .6 versions. 916059;1415567786;jurov;but a hdd died, so i don't have pre - .9 blockchain anymore 916060;1415568373;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22146 @ 0.00056662 = 12.5484 BTC [+] 916061;1415568380;ben_vulpes;good to know, thanks 916062;1415568425;*;ben_vulpes is wondering about the practicality of using 0.5.3 as a starting pin 916063;1415568534;jurov;we'll see if this gets anywhere... it's how much since whole thing started? a week? 916064;1415569345;punkman;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xombrero 916065;1415569345;assbot;xombrero - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia 916066;1415569403;mircea_popescu;also webkit. 916067;1415569520;mircea_popescu;and im pretty sure all my blockchains are pre .5 for that matter. 916068;1415570711;jurov;http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=MTgzMjg , also another dude (Colin Watson) has quit 916069;1415570712;assbot;[Phoronix] Joey Hess Resigns From Debian, Unhappy With How It's Changed 916070;1415570812;jurov;http://debianfork.org/ 916071;1415570812;assbot;Roll up your sleeves, we may need to fork Debian. 916072;1415571057;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4700 @ 0.00056664 = 2.6632 BTC [+] 916073;1415571074;ben_vulpes;wow mpoe on sale! 916074;1415571545;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14500 @ 0.00056722 = 8.2247 BTC [+] {2} 916075;1415571905;jurov;;;seen adlai 916076;1415571905;gribble;adlai was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 12 hours, 28 minutes, and 57 seconds ago: * Adlai waits on the go 916077;1415571995;mircea_popescu;!up saifedean 916078;1415572017;mircea_popescu;debian certainly went to shit since sarge. 916079;1415572094;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8271 @ 0.00056662 = 4.6865 BTC [-] 916080;1415572329;saifedean;good day gentlemen 916081;1415572359;mircea_popescu;hello! 916082;1415572386;saifedean;mo, i did email you the dissertation the other day, did you get it? 916083;1415572392;mircea_popescu;i did. 916084;1415572402;saifedean;great, just making sure 916085;1415572416;mircea_popescu;i didn;'t get around to reading it yet, but its in the pile. 916086;1415572434;saifedean;no worries, 916087;1415572435;Naphex;http://arstechnica.com/security/2014/11/silk-road-other-tor-darknet-sites-may-have-been-decloaked-through-ddos/ lmao! 916088;1415572435;assbot;Silk Road, other Tor “darknet” sites may have been “decloaked” through DDoS | Ars Technica 916089;1415572437;mircea_popescu;i still think you should publish it. ever seen http://trilema.com/2014/a-conceit-or-the-importance-of-blogging/ ? 916090;1415572437;assbot;A conceit, or the importance of blogging pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. 916091;1415572466;saifedean;so, mp, are you going to be in Buenos Aires January/Feb? I might be popping by for a week or so 916092;1415572476;Naphex;"es, hello, Internet supervillain here," nachash, said that his server—a virtual private server running the German hosting service Hetzner—was initially hit by what he believed was a denial of service attack in Augus' 916093;1415572498;mircea_popescu;Naphex maybe they were decloaked through sexism. 916094;1415572516;mircea_popescu;saifedean yes. for that matter, the bitcoin conference is in april. 916095;1415572519;mircea_popescu;$conference 916096;1415572520;empyex;mircea_popescu: Next conference starts in 5 months and 8 days. Estimated cost today: 3.74478709 BTC (Details: http://trilema.com/2014/the-conference-third-edition/ ) 916097;1415572582;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14146 @ 0.00056652 = 8.014 BTC [-] 916098;1415572606;saifedean;much as i'd love to be in the conference, april might be tough, especially as i'm so goddamn far, but i'll let you know if i manage to work out jan/feb 916099;1415572650;saifedean;but if you like buenos aires and istanbul, from what i gather from your blog, you will absolutely love beirut... who's like istanbul's little prettier sister 916100;1415572687;mircea_popescu;yes. 916101;1415572694;mircea_popescu;problem being she hangs out with all these bikers. 916102;1415572853;mircea_popescu;Naphex on a related note, i really don't get all these derps going "oh you know what ? i'll run a hertzner vm through this magic layer. presto, totally anon!" 916103;1415573185;saifedean;you lay down the law and the bikers disappear, mp... just book your ticket 916104;1415574508;ben_vulpes;;;ident saifedean 916105;1415574508;gribble;Error: I am not seeing this user on IRC. If you want information about a registered gpg user, try the 'gpg info' command instead. 916106;1415574509;mircea_popescu;lol 916107;1415574794;JorgePasada;Anyone have any good reading on all the stuff that's been happening with tor because of this latest raid thing? 916108;1415574974;dub;i think the learning is (or was since years ago) don't use tor 916109;1415575013;JorgePasada;Yeah, not for anything secure obviously, but you can still learn from stuff like this I feel 916110;1415575130;dub;you can learn not to do anything on a network that you wouldnt be happy with obama reading 916111;1415575181;ben_vulpes;http://www.entropykey.co.uk/ << more entropy hardware, ARM micros included! 916112;1415575182;assbot;Simtec Electronics Entropy Key: USB True Random Number Generator 916113;1415575266;dub;oh my god the new firefox ui is terrible 916114;1415575281;dub;they need to share that good weed around 916115;1415575571;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27206 @ 0.00056708 = 15.428 BTC [+] {2} 916116;1415578714;mircea_popescu;JorgePasada maybe read all the disparate stuff, publish a digest. 916117;1415578838;JorgePasada;mircea_popescu: Yeah I'm just trying to learn. Found a couple good things via hacker news. 916118;1415578858;JorgePasada;Tor sucks though, you almost have to assume either your entrance or exit node (or worse, both) are compromised these days. 916119;1415578943;cazalla;scoopbot, wru 916120;1415579188;mats_cd03;http://youtu.be/bntfUA6TmLs 916121;1415579188;assbot;MONSTER Energy drinks are the work of SATAN!!! - YouTube 916122;1415579895;ben_vulpes;how dumb would it be to bisect the git source history to find the unwedging commit? 916123;1415580198;mircea_popescu;http://trilema.com/2013/dear-guardian-stop-being-retarded/ << last year "everybody" knew better. 916124;1415580198;assbot;Dear Guardian : stop being retarded. pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. 916125;1415580212;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes not dumb at all. 916126;1415580245;mircea_popescu;;;later tell peterl yeah listen, this 50% uptime business is for the dogs. 916127;1415580246;gribble;The operation succeeded. 916128;1415580326;ben_vulpes;does anyone have a node with high throughput to which they'd be willing to whitelist my connections 916129;1415580448;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes if you actually have the blockchain by very far the best way to do this is stage a local environment and feed the experimental instance through some sort of loopback 916130;1415580574;ben_vulpes;indeed. 916131;1415580637;mircea_popescu;you saying you don't have it ? 916132;1415580692;ben_vulpes;i've one sitting on this os x machine. 916133;1415580729;ben_vulpes;i'm digging through the logs of our conversation about copying blockchains around. 916134;1415580736;ben_vulpes;*to find our conversation* 916135;1415580888;ben_vulpes;basically i want to know if uploading my os x 8.6 blockchain to my debian testing machine is worth the time 916136;1415581047;mircea_popescu;well it's worth the time in the sense that not having the 30gb in question wherever your favourite staging environment is is a major handicap. 916137;1415581064;mircea_popescu;if you prefer working locally then not worth it. if you generally use that machine/dc, then worth it. 916138;1415581084;ben_vulpes;right, totally on the same page there. 916139;1415581143;ben_vulpes;i'm trying to estimate if the transfer time for my os x blockchain is worth the risk of it simply not working. 916140;1415581225;mircea_popescu;inasmuch as it's the blockchain it will HAVE To work. or bust. 916141;1415582675;oglafbot;http://oglaf.com/sharpshooter/ 916142;1415582675;assbot;Sharpshooter 916143;1415583753;thestringpuller;!t m s.mpoe 916144;1415583753;assbot;[MPEX:S.MPOE] 1D: 0.00055831 / 0.00056471 / 0.00058756 (828982 shares, 468.14 BTC), 7D: 0.00055831 / 0.00067039 / 0.00076965 (3873559 shares, 2,596.82 BTC), 30D: 0.00055831 / 0.00073576 / 0.00081111 (23823364 shares, 17,528.32 BTC) 916145;1415583757;thestringpuller;!l m s.mpoe 916146;1415583757;assbot;Last trade for S.MPOE on MPEX was at 0.00056708 BTC [+] 916147;1415584252;mircea_popescu;hgmm, was the last oglaf drawn by an intern ? 916148;1415584260;mircea_popescu;drunk trudy ? 5 minute sketch ? 916149;1415587771;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27287 @ 0.00064573 = 17.62 BTC [+] {2} 916150;1415588130;asciilifeform;you know, incase you'd like to have a binary that isn't bloated with debug symbols << 'strip bitcoind' >> solved 916151;1415588141;asciilifeform;whoever wants to add this as a patch - can 916152;1415588338;asciilifeform;has anyone downloaded the full chain with a .5/.6/.7/.8/.9 << 0.8, yes 916153;1415588512;danielpbarron;i've got an up-to-date chain on 0.7.2 916154;1415588594;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: entropy key << gadget was discussed here many times. appears to be permanently unavailable (and closed-source.) 916155;1415588649;asciilifeform;tor compromise through filled circuit ddos << this is a 'classic', described in academic papers. and i can say for a fact that the 'machine' is still turned on. just last night had a tor client fail to form a circuit, for the first time in many years of semi-regular use. 916156;1415588660;*;asciilifeform uses tor for non-critical applications 916157;1415589219;asciilifeform;http://i.imgur.com/zSaUuKQ.gif 916158;1415589363;ben_vulpes;asciilifeform: nsa.gif << top kek 916159;1415589690;scoopbot;New post on Qntra.net by cazalla: http://qntra.net/2014/11/pizza-hut-computers-used-to-mine-bitcoin-in-2013/ 916160;1415589874;asciilifeform;pizza hut << this distinguishes it from every other cattle farm where the cattle get to use computers, precisely how? 916161;1415590145;mircea_popescu;;;seen mike_c 916162;1415590146;gribble;mike_c was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 3 days, 5 hours, 18 minutes, and 14 seconds ago: quite the empire brewing. 916163;1415590409;mike_c;i'm around 916164;1415590472;mircea_popescu;ah nice. 916165;1415590489;mircea_popescu;i luv the summoning capabilities of teh log. 916166;1415591070;ben_vulpes;!up Vexual 916167;1415591234;cazalla;asciilifeform, sunday is a slow day, whaddaya want from me? 916168;1415591311;cazalla;i mean, why spend $20-$30 on a pizza when you can get one from pizza hut on tight ass tuesday for $3.95! 916169;1415591797;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14737 @ 0.00064657 = 9.5285 BTC [+] 916170;1415592216;asciilifeform;pizza hut << incidentally, if you tally up an upper bound for how much could have been mined ('up to 60 stores', let's say a few machines in each) - it ought to have sufficed for... a couple of pizzas. 916171;1415592249;asciilifeform;non-asic mining is 'dead as dodo', and certainly was in 2013. 916172;1415592269;asciilifeform;at least, most of it 916173;1415592901;ben_vulpes;every hash is sacred 916174;1415592924;asciilifeform;every hash is needed, in your neighbourhood! 916175;1415593017;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9800 @ 0.00064966 = 6.3667 BTC [+] 916176;1415593627;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30850 @ 0.00064995 = 20.051 BTC [+] 916177;1415593777;asciilifeform;!up Vexual 916178;1415593810;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18941 @ 0.00065206 = 12.3507 BTC [+] {2} 916179;1415594136;BingoBoingo;!up Cryptocus 916180;1415594190;Vexual;I'm trying to get my head around this taxation stuff 916181;1415594238;ben_vulpes;speak further on thy confusion, Vexual 916182;1415594254;Vexual;well it's internet powered to be sure 916183;1415594409;Vexual;so, I'm porndering the notion "Bitcoin realised" 916184;1415594469;Vexual;I suppose there are no other qualifiers on purpose 916185;1415594950;Vexual;oh it's good 916186;1415594969;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18650 @ 0.00064966 = 12.1162 BTC [-] 916187;1415595329;ben_vulpes;http://christophe.rhodes.io/notes/blog/posts/2014/reproducible_builds_-_a_month_ahead_of_schedule/ << tiny brain blown 916188;1415595329;assbot;reproducible builds - a month ahead of schedule 916189;1415595767;ben_vulpes;!up Vexual 916190;1415595778;ben_vulpes;bitcoin realized means more or less "profit" 916191;1415595818;Vexual;Yeah, forever profits? 916192;1415595851;ben_vulpes;whaddaya mean "forever"? 916193;1415595865;Vexual;since forever 916194;1415595900;Vexual;2009 916195;1415596006;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10300 @ 0.00065245 = 6.7202 BTC [+] 916196;1415596014;Vexual;or perhaps you pay where you think some other entity might lay claim 916197;1415596052;ben_vulpes;well pre 2015 bitcoin barely matters in the world at large 916198;1415596189;Vexual;yes i see 916199;1415596880;cazalla;"If bitcoin were allowed to co-‐exist as “legal tender” it could also create a situation where under Gresham’s Law “Bad money drives out good”. In such a scenario, bad currency (bitcoin) would be used and good currency (US Dollar) would be hoarded, creating greater economic instability." 916200;1415596889;cazalla;hoarding usd, nice one 916201;1415597064;Vexual;i read about that gut that printed $200 million, he hoarded it 916202;1415597104;Vexual;cut a deal to keep his shed-load off the streets 916203;1415597209;Vexual;it's in gq 916204;1415598162;BingoBoingo;!Up RetroUPriser 916205;1415598221;RetroUPriser;How's it going? I was going to see if mircea_popescu was active and willing to play a game of chess, 916206;1415598354;BingoBoingo;Ah 916207;1415598405;BingoBoingo;Things are going 916208;1415598418;ben_vulpes;RetroUPriser: you may get a game out of BingoBoingo 916209;1415598435;BingoBoingo;Nah, I'm not drunk enough to chess tonight. 916210;1415598439;RetroUPriser;I've played him before 916211;1415598451;RetroUPriser;and that seems like the typical answer 916212;1415599481;scoopbot;New post on Qntra.net by cazalla: http://qntra.net/2014/11/professor-bitcorn-talks-top-ten-risks-associated-with-bitcoin/ 916213;1415599615;cazalla;ooh knocked glass off table onto open case.. lucky i drank the water in it just a few minutes ago 916214;1415600561;mircea_popescu;http://ask.fm/Mircea_Popescu/answer/122233688968 < ok who was the smartass ? 916215;1415600655;mircea_popescu; hoarding usd, nice one << such lmao. 916216;1415600667;mircea_popescu;"let us make claims backwards! it's almost like science!" 916217;1415602019;decimation;ben_vulpes: re: sbcl < neat link thanks 916218;1415602264;decimation;hoarding usd << lol. actually there's a great deal of certainty about the dollar, it's just that the certainty is that there is no fixed number of dollars, never has been, never will be 916219;1415602342;decimation;"Under the Bitcoin model, those who create the algorithm, protocol, manage the transactional ledger and mine virtual currencies would become the new central bankers, controlling a monetary basis, an immense power and responsibility." << lol yeah that's a 'risk' 916220;1415602445;decimation;the whole reason bitcoin is even mildly compelling is because those 'central bankers' who are currently 'controlling money' are fucking things up royally 916221;1415602942;ben_vulpes;well that was odd. 916222;1415603117;decimation;kicked? 916223;1415603266;ben_vulpes;remote emacs client straight up died. 916224;1415603462;BingoBoingo;http://bitcoinmagazine.com/17439/bitcoin-we-are-all-the-blockchain/ written by this guy http://www.27bslash6.com/p2p2.html 916225;1415603828;ben_vulpes;"However, the real value of Bitcoin is not reaped at an individual level." << he's spot on, though - it's about raping at a collective level 916226;1415603941;ben_vulpes;actually i'm noping the fuck out of this article. 916227;1415604614;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13500 @ 0.00064966 = 8.7704 BTC [-] 916228;1415606078;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5350 @ 0.00065096 = 3.4826 BTC [+] 916229;1415607387;BingoBoingo;!up saifedean 916230;1415607568;jurov;!mpif 916231;1415607568;assbot;BtcAlpha.com F.MPIF Tracker estimated NAV per share: 0.00021747 B (Total: 475.57 B). Delta: 0.56 B. Last trade for F.MPIF on MPEX was at 0.000195 BTC [-] 916232;1415607651;mircea_popescu;who the fuck are all these derps lmao. 916233;1415607662;mircea_popescu;seems timmy swanson was just the tip of the shitberg. 916234;1415607664;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21479 @ 0.0006511 = 13.985 BTC [+] {2} 916235;1415607725;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8421 @ 0.00065239 = 5.4938 BTC [+] 916236;1415609067;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18800 @ 0.00065239 = 12.2649 BTC [+] 916237;1415614008;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5346 @ 0.00065017 = 3.4758 BTC [-] 916238;1415616265;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1811 @ 0.00065017 = 1.1775 BTC [-] 916239;1415620474;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11950 @ 0.00064794 = 7.7429 BTC [-] {2} 916240;1415623524;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18650 @ 0.00064775 = 12.0805 BTC [-] {2} 916241;1415625598;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1759 @ 0.00064775 = 1.1394 BTC [-] 916242;1415626391;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4050 @ 0.00064775 = 2.6234 BTC [-] 916243;1415628282;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12850 @ 0.00064725 = 8.3172 BTC [-] {3} 916244;1415628863;[]bot;Bet placed: 1 BTC for Yes on "Alibaba shares above 115 before November 25th" http://bitbet.us/bet/1048/ Odds: 93(Y):7(N) by coin, 77(Y):23(N) by weight. Total bet: 3.60440399 BTC. Current weight: 15,613. 916245;1415629136;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7600 @ 0.00064687 = 4.9162 BTC [-] 916246;1415629691;TomServo;Ahoy 916247;1415629815;TomServo;http://bitbet.us/bet/1068/joepa-gets-his-wins-back/ <- bet text says 'before 2105' instead of 2015. 916248;1415629815;assbot;BitBet - JoePA gets his wins back :: 0.06 B (46%) on Yes, 0.07 B (54%) on No | closing in 1 month 2 weeks | weight: 96`366 (100`000 to 1) 916249;1415630295;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17972 @ 0.00064793 = 11.6446 BTC [+] 916250;1415632747;scoopbot;New post on Qntra.net by Bingo Boingo: http://qntra.net/2014/11/national-bank-of-ukraine-bitcoin-not-to-be-used-for-payments/ 916251;1415632918;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13592 @ 0.00064745 = 8.8001 BTC [-] {2} 916252;1415633284;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16008 @ 0.00064884 = 10.3866 BTC [+] {2} 916253;1415633764;BingoBoingo;http://www.gomerblog.com/2014/11/mrsa-2/ 916254;1415633765;assbot;Devious MRSA Spider Bites Yet Another Antecubital Fossa; Remains at Large | GomerBlog 916255;1415634931;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26313 @ 0.00064687 = 17.0211 BTC [-] 916256;1415635125;BingoBoingo;http://it.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=6009519&cid=48350225 916257;1415635126;assbot;Espionage Campaign Targets Corporate Executives Traveling Abroad - Slashdot 916258;1415635484;rithm;http://status.ovh.net/?do=details&id=8120 916259;1415635484;assbot;OVH Tasks 916260;1415635515;rithm;poor ovh 916261;1415636202;scoopbot;New post on Qntra.net by Bingo Boingo: http://qntra.net/2014/11/florida-man-arrested-for-online-drug-trading/ 916262;1415637365;BingoBoingo;https://ihb.io/2014-11-09/news/official-coindesk-longer-voice-digital-currency-2-13449 916263;1415637366;assbot;Coindesk is no longer the Voice of Currency • IHB News™ 916264;1415637825;davout;rithm: stay away from ovh... 916265;1415637833;rithm;i do! 916266;1415637877;davout;if ebola could propagate to servers, it'd probably start at ovh 916267;1415637904;rithm;ovh is like the parody host 916268;1415638896;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5900 @ 0.00064687 = 3.8165 BTC [-] 916269;1415638989;jurov;WTF "I love bitcoin for reasons that Amir Taaki, Adam Back, Peter Todd and Mike Hearn love it." 916270;1415639217;thestringpuller;is that a real post jurov ? 916271;1415639244;jurov;it's from ihb.io above 916272;1415639428;undata;what a sprawling mess of an article 916273;1415639885;jurov;"Dear Ben Lawsky, you are going after the wrong people. Mining operations can be used to launder huge amounts of money." 916274;1415639887;jurov;kek 916275;1415639912;thestringpuller;yes. mining operations are owned by the mob. 916276;1415641047;scoopbot;New post on Qntra.net by Bingo Boingo: http://qntra.net/2014/11/bulgarian-snas-release-on-operation-onymous/ 916277;1415641641;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11824 @ 0.00064602 = 7.6385 BTC [-] {2} 916278;1415642723;mircea_popescu;!up saifedean 916279;1415642735;mircea_popescu;by the way, you know how to use the tools here ? like say 916280;1415642737;mircea_popescu;!s taleb 916281;1415642739;assbot;139 results for 'taleb' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=taleb 916282;1415642769;saifedean;ah, no i don't... i've been trying to learn the ropes 916283;1415642779;saifedean;thanks for that 916284;1415642810;mircea_popescu;ah i got something for you here, just gimme a minuite 916285;1415642886;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=07-07-2014#748585 << this is the delivery of http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-07-2014#746817 916286;1415642886;assbot;Logged on 07-07-2014 23:30:49; sexysaffron: I have a video delivery! 916287;1415642886;assbot;Logged on 06-07-2014 23:40:36; mircea_popescu: "Here's me begging you Mr Taleb!" or something 916288;1415643075;saifedean;lol, i think i saw this on pete's blog before... 916289;1415643093;mircea_popescu;ah ok then 916290;1415643154;saifedean;compelling, i must say, but last time i spoke to taleb he wasn't all that interested in bitcoin. i mean, he finds it interesting to a point, but not to the point of healthy obsession and complete disregard of everything else that we share 916291;1415643190;mircea_popescu;yeah, and the reason is he's not yet met anyone that groks it fully, so as to answer objection properly. 916292;1415643211;mircea_popescu;or at least, that was my case, in 2011 916293;1415643296;saifedean;is that when you first started on the righteous path? 916294;1415643325;mircea_popescu;yeah. 916295;1415643332;mircea_popescu;;;google noob mp or how it all begun 916296;1415643332;gribble;"At civilization's end", an MP Megacampaign - Page 2 - Paradox ...: ; Wargame Talk #15: Modding Has Begun and Clash of the Clans 3 ...: ; Battlefield 4: Official Multiplayer Launch Trailer - YouTube: (1 more message) 916297;1415643341;mircea_popescu;jesus google... 916298;1415643365;mircea_popescu;saifedean for my own curiosity, google that string (no quotes) see what pops up ? 916299;1415643366;TomServo;http://trilema.com/2013/noob-mp-or-how-it-all-began/ 916300;1415643366;assbot;Noob MP, or how it all began pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. 916301;1415643375;saifedean;may i ask what did you do in the pre-bitcoin era? In the Bezzle Age? 916302;1415643449;mircea_popescu;i was retired. 916303;1415643455;mircea_popescu;!up Tykling 916304;1415643478;mircea_popescu;getting slowly bored to death in costa rica. 916305;1415643480;saifedean;i got a bunch of gaming forum posts, nothing to do with you 916306;1415643510;mircea_popescu;myeah. 916307;1415643521;saifedean;very nice, retirement is underrated. the main appeal of academia for me is that it is a halfway house to retirement 916308;1415643561;mircea_popescu;retirement is way overrated. i tell you, i thought it was going to be "the life" for the rest of my life. http://trilema.com/2011/nsfw-gradina-edenului/ 916309;1415643561;assbot;NSFW Gradina Edenului pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. 916310;1415643569;mircea_popescu;turns out, it can keep the sane man about three years. 916311;1415643885;saifedean;it sure as hell beats working in the world of bezzle, a slave-like existence producing nothing and wasting your life in a worthless pissing contest whose first prize is the ability to kiss a bigger ass 916312;1415643894;thestringpuller;anyone good with regex? 916313;1415643904;undata;saifedean: start a business you weenie :p 916314;1415643941;mircea_popescu;either that or start shooting people. 916315;1415643951;mircea_popescu;thestringpuller moderately, but don't ask to ask. 916316;1415643979;thestringpuller;i don't want to bother anyone with the pain that is regex ~_~ 916317;1415643981;undata;thestringpuller: you may find this helpful http://www.regexr.com/ 916318;1415643981;assbot;RegExr: Learn, Build, & Test RegEx 916319;1415643995;thestringpuller;thanks undata 916320;1415644005;undata;yw 916321;1415644045;thestringpuller;found one good example 916322;1415644058;thestringpuller;Regex, yet another reason I hate strings. 916323;1415644159;mircea_popescu;o.O 916324;1415644420;saifedean;undata & mp, i'm actually thinking of starting a grill restaurant... to be named the honey badger grill, bitcoin preferred 916325;1415644467;mircea_popescu;now why would you do that ? 916326;1415644483;thestringpuller;saifedean: i am working on a crypto bakery lol 916327;1415644523;saifedean;coz i really enjoy grilling, i'm very good at it, people really like my steaks and i could get them to pay me good money to eat it if i put my head to make it good... sounds to me like a better way of spending your life than any bezzle career 916328;1415644581;thestringpuller;!up saifedean 916329;1415644605;undata;I like bitcoin and grilled food; I dunno about the honey badger thing 916330;1415644611;chetty;yeah but where does the name come from? sounds too much like honey pot, imo 916331;1415644630;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11150 @ 0.00064489 = 7.1905 BTC [-] {2} 916332;1415644635;undata;it's just some meme 916333;1415644644;mircea_popescu;saifedean maybe. i am also very good at cooking, people love my stuff and i could definitely get them to pay. 916334;1415644649;mircea_popescu;the problem is this doesn't scale. 916335;1415644664;saifedean;because honey badger doesn't give a shit, and because bitcoin is the honey badger of money 916336;1415644693;saifedean;why the hell would i want to scale? if i wanted to scale i'd join mcdonalds for a rewarding career and an early grave 916337;1415644695;chetty;wolverine 916338;1415644727;saifedean;if i could run a single operation very well, it could make enough income to allow me to live very well, while spending my days doing something i enjoy 916339;1415644754;chetty;sounds like a little piece of heaven there saifedean 916340;1415644783;thestringpuller;mircea_popescu: if it's a pet, why would you want it to scale? restaurants are cool because you get free food and a place to "hang out" 916341;1415644795;saifedean;the idea of being my own boss, and to only be the boss of a few people is ideal. easily beats having to deal with hundreds of idiots in a large operatoin and suffer their idiocy 916342;1415644924;mircea_popescu;thestringpuller saifedean i am familiar with your idea of restaurants. these work as a retirement ploy by old merchants, who have an immense pile of gold in the basement, a pretty wife and don't give a shit about what may come, they juist want people to hang out and chat with. 916343;1415644941;mircea_popescu;this model works extremely well if one has the basement (not just the gold, but also the many travel stories in the basement of their head) 916344;1415644955;mircea_popescu;it works extremely poorly if one merely copies the visible parts of the institution. 916345;1415645012;ben_vulpes;http://btc2mysql.com/ 916346;1415645013;assbot;BTC2MySQL 916347;1415645020;ben_vulpes;interdasting tool 916348;1415645023;saifedean;i definitely have the travel stories and the pretty wife and zero shits are given about what may come... most my days are a struggle to secure excellent quality food, a struggle which will only be resolved conclusively once i have my entire operation 916349;1415645023;ben_vulpes;have not derped with yet 916350;1415645057;ben_vulpes;but what are the engineering arguments for an embedded kv store against which one cannot query well if at all vs. a embedded sql store? 916351;1415645083;undata;ahemahem sqlite 916352;1415645094;undata;but #nodeps, right? 916353;1415645106;saifedean;the way i see it, bitcoin will kill pretty much all the world of bezzle, as i'm sure you folk agree, and the only jobs that will thrive in th future are those that involve actually doing something useful for other people which others appreciate and are happy to pay for. there are few things in life people appreciate better than a well-cooked steak, and few things in life that are done badly as often 916354;1415645118;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3800 @ 0.00064372 = 2.4461 BTC [-] 916355;1415645150;undata;saifedean: a word of caution; businesses always look simple when looking from outside 916356;1415645165;undata;my god 4 walls and a door and I'm there 916357;1415645274;saifedean;undata that's why i'm still researching and thinking of this while keeping my academic job 916358;1415645344;mircea_popescu; a struggle to secure excellent quality food << can you go into detail ? 916359;1415645403;saifedean;well, why else did you move to argentina but for the excellent grass-fed beef? 916360;1415645418;mircea_popescu;they eat a lot of beef in beirut ? 916361;1415645431;mircea_popescu;you know, i've never had any decent beef, not in cairo, not in luxor, not even in lebanon. 916362;1415645437;saifedean;once you've had a proper well-cooked steak, any other day of your life will be ruined if you venture into a McDonald's or some other Bezzle Institution 916363;1415645443;mircea_popescu;your meat sucks. it's not even how you cook it. it fucking sucks. 916364;1415645454;mircea_popescu;saifedean have you had an argentine steak ? 916365;1415645467;saifedean;in lebanon beef isn't very good, but the lamb is excellent, and it is grass-fed 916366;1415645474;mircea_popescu;lamb is splendid absolutely. 916367;1415645486;mircea_popescu;i mostly ate lamb and chicken over my time among the no-pok-people. 916368;1415645495;mircea_popescu;ended up eating a whole fucking pick in oradea on my way back 916369;1415645517;saifedean;my best friend is half-argentinian and half lebanese, and we've been talking about this restaurant together for years, he's brought excellent argentine beef over 916370;1415645534;mircea_popescu;ah. the stuff that you eat like salmon, practically ? half raw in the middle ? 916371;1415645552;mircea_popescu;i mean. of the inch thickness, a half inch in the middle is barely warm. 916372;1415645598;saifedean;there are many many things that make a good steak, most of these things require people who do their work honestly and htink long term, and pretty much everything in that process is being destroyed by cheap money and the high-time-preference it engenders in everyone from the farmer to the waiter at your restaurant 916373;1415645641;mircea_popescu;ha! 916374;1415645645;assbot;Last 2 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/0E1ZQ6N.txt ) 916375;1415645645;mircea_popescu;!b 2 916376;1415645648;saifedean;with the emergence of bitcoin and the destruction of the world of bezzle and its instant gratification and fast food culture, people are going to appreciate and pay top dollar for the quality stuff that's done right 916377;1415645650;mircea_popescu;exactly right. cheap money and the high time preference. 916378;1415645655;mircea_popescu;you ever read about the tin women ? 916379;1415645676;saifedean;no whats that? 916380;1415645696;mircea_popescu;ahahaha 916381;1415645714;mircea_popescu;http://trilema.com/2012/the-problem-of-too-much-money/ and also http://trilema.com/2012/lets-dig-a-little-deeper-into-this-entire-deflation-problem/ 916382;1415645714;assbot;The problem of too much money pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. 916383;1415645714;assbot;Let’s dig a little deeper into this entire deflation “problem” pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. 916384;1415645790;saifedean;my idea is to prepare for the future of the triumphant return of hard money, low-time preference, and civilization, and to profit from it by doing good food properly, in a beautiful setting where you can relax around a big grill's fire and enjoy your meal like a civilized human 916385;1415645803;mircea_popescu;its just hysterical how much we agree lol. 916386;1415645833;saifedean;i kinda figured from what i have read from your blog! 916387;1415645940;saifedean;the main question that remains now concerns the location of my grill... Lebanon is my favorite place in the world, but it might not be the ideal location what with all the religious wars breaking out... Vancouver is another possibility... 916388;1415645951;mircea_popescu;nah, buenos aires. 916389;1415645990;saifedean;come on man, you're not expecting me to go set up a grilling business in buenos aires, what was it about taking the coals to newcastle... 916390;1415645993;mircea_popescu;you come here, you have a good steak, you forgot why you ever wanted to make a steakhouse. much like the man who was considering doing his own plumbing out of reeds in lebanon, moves to constantinople with the marble baths forgets all about it. 916391;1415646009;saifedean;they are the absolute world champions, along with the south africans 916392;1415646023;mircea_popescu;im curious when fluffypony shows over, see what he thinks. 916393;1415646031;mircea_popescu;saifedean so you actually been here before ? 916394;1415646078;saifedean;well, as i said i am hoping to go to BA sometime soon, my argentine friend will be there and it's meant as a crash course in grilling... i could just stick around, but i'd need me a new business idea for the post-bezzlepocalypse 916395;1415646096;saifedean;no i've never been to argentina, but i did live in Rio de Janeiro for two years as a kid 916396;1415646101;mircea_popescu;aha. 916397;1415646119;mircea_popescu;anyway, show up, i'll buy you a steak. 916398;1415646161;saifedean;bife de chorizo! 916399;1415646178;mircea_popescu;nah, bife de lomo aniversario. 916400;1415646195;saifedean;i should be finding out soon if my trip will pan out and will let you know 916401;1415646195;mircea_popescu;1kg porterhouse steak is the golden standard in my eyes nao. 916402;1415646246;saifedean;ok, you have a point, i'll have both :D 916403;1415646331;BingoBoingo;From the WTF files http://www.digitaljournal.com/pr/2321794 << The Javascript 916404;1415646332;assbot;NODE Second Generation Cryptocurrency With Different Codebase To Bitcoin Launches - Press Release - Digital Journal 916405;1415646342;scoopbot;New post on Trilema by Mircea Popescu: http://trilema.com/2014/we-the-people/ 916406;1415646454;BingoBoingo;!up saifedean 916407;1415646544;mircea_popescu;anyway, off to eat. later good folk of the evil cult! 916408;1415646559;chetty;saifedean, actually I think there is good call for the sort of 'grill' you describe in Argentina, the relaxed atmosphere, the fire, etc. Steak may be great here but it could use some 'trappings' 916409;1415646650;thestringpuller;ben_vulpes: http://btc2mysql.com/ << have you seen http://toshi.io ? 916410;1415646656;saifedean;interesting... my idea is also to make it a paleo restaurant... if you guys haven't gone paleo yet, let me just point that making the switch from the crap that everyone eats today to paleo eating is no less revolutionary than jumping from the world of bezzle to bitcoin 916411;1415646691;thestringpuller;saifedean: I prefer my diet of candy and insulin. 916412;1415646696;undata;saifedean: there is *so* much eaten that is barely (if at all) food 916413;1415646743;chetty;<<< never giving up bread and pastries but agree with the 'crap' descriptor for most of what passes as food 916414;1415646784;saifedean;well thestringpuller, i've tried that shitty-ass diet and i tried being paleo, and there's no comparison. Once you try going paleo, eating crap seems about as reasonable as not looking around before crossing the street. Sure, it can be done... but why? 916415;1415646790;undata;ditching dairy aside from cheese has been helpful for me 916416;1415646816;undata;the cheese could go too but that's no way to live 916417;1415646821;saifedean;oh chetty, those who resist paleo the most are the ones most desperately in need of it! 916418;1415646830;joecool;welcome to #bitcoin-lifestyle 916419;1415646909;joecool;ah i missed mp, funny seeing the noob log 916420;1415646921;*;joecool wonders when he joined 916421;1415646929;joecool;;;gpg info mircea_popescu 916422;1415646929;gribble;User 'mircea_popescu', with keyid 8A736F0E2FB7B452, fingerprint 6160E1CAC8A3C52966FD76998A736F0E2FB7B452, and bitcoin address None, registered on Fri Jul 22 08:39:10 2011, last authed on Mon Nov 10 13:04:01 2014. http://b-otc.com/vg?nick=mircea_popescu . Currently authenticated from hostmask mircea_popescu!~Mircea@pdpc/supporter/silver/mircea-popescu . 916423;1415646935;joecool;;;gpg info joecool 916424;1415646935;gribble;User 'joecool', with keyid 4A169504F495E1D1, fingerprint D7570DDF7F8527E085A6CBA44A169504F495E1D1, and bitcoin address 1JoecooLw8qohGrFrmhCcPN6Gw355FjxBc, registered on Thu Apr 28 01:50:04 2011, last authed on Mon Nov 10 13:49:45 2014. http://b-otc.com/vg?nick=joecool . Currently authenticated from hostmask joecool!~joecool@no-sources/joecool . 916425;1415646953;joecool;heh 916426;1415647004;saifedean;oh but paleo is intimately related to bitcoin: it is cheap money that has plagued the world with high time preference and that, in turn, is what has turned food from being nourishing to a giant bezzle-funded industry that aims to provide sugar kicks and insulin spikes to the proles immediately when the temptation kicks in. 916427;1415647009;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19350 @ 0.00064819 = 12.5425 BTC [+] 916428;1415647056;undata;saifedean: its a dream of mine that there'll be a return to families producing their own food. 916429;1415647070;undata;you want economic security; that's it. 916430;1415647079;joecool;i've produced a good chunk of mine off and on over the years 916431;1415647099;joecool;plenty of deer to shoot and ran a large vegetable garden (did canning, freezing for winter, etc) 916432;1415647121;saifedean;undata but then... who will raise the aggregate demand?! How selfish would it be of all families to think of their own survival and leave the national economy to flounder. 916433;1415647227;undata;saifedean: sounds glorious. flounder away! 916434;1415647344;undata;I'm working on a software business for now; should that succeed, I'd like to look into automation products for small scale food production. 916435;1415647398;undata;my parents have a largely self-sufficient farm, and their processes are not particularly scientific 916436;1415647479;undata;it seems to me that there are gains to be found via automation which would allow a person to both produce their own food and have time to spare for other pursuits 916437;1415647647;ben_vulpes;nah, just put hippies to work running the aquaponics 916438;1415647652;ben_vulpes;automation's overrated 916439;1415647697;undata;I disagree; humans are overrated. 916440;1415647728;undata;I'm trying to find an article; the sentence that sticks out in my memory was something like "why would anyone buy lightbulbs when they can just pay staff to see to their candles?" 916441;1415647746;undata;because I want to be left alone to work! 916442;1415647748;undata;haha 916443;1415647767;rithm;SWISS money 916444;1415647772;rithm;comes from automata 916445;1415647784;rithm;Sent While I Sleep Soundly 916446;1415647893;saifedean;i don't mind automation for as long as it does not compromise the quality of the thing in question. So, a fridge is a good idea to keep my steaks cool for a few hours between butchering and grilling. A deep freezer is not such a good idea coz the meat will never taste the same. 916447;1415648029;undata;saifedean: machines should extend the mind of their master 916448;1415648069;saifedean;undata: yes, not replace it! 916449;1415648147;chetty; oh chetty, those who resist paleo the most are the ones most desperately in need of it!// the paleo idea makes sense to me, and for sure all those chemical and stuff that passes for food is bad idea, but I really don't see passing on grain entirely. 916450;1415648359;chetty;!up saifedean 916451;1415648402;joecool;i don't miss it, used to ride insulin rollercoaster for years 916452;1415648415;saifedean;chetty: "but I really don't see passing on grain entirely." Try it for a week and see what it does to you. How hard can that be? What do you stand to lose? 916453;1415648415;xanthyos;bringing a new guy here who wants in the wot 916454;1415648454;joecool;saifedean: i found out i had severe issues with wheat after i noticed i'd feel better if i didn't eat 916455;1415648467;joecool;so i fasted a week or two and did an additive diet 916456;1415648477;chetty;saifedean, ok, I can do that (guess I better read up on it a bit, can I still have coffee?) 916457;1415648479;joecool;until i figured out what it was 916458;1415648519;joecool;coffee is fine lol, drink it black 916459;1415648529;ben_vulpes;;;later tell diablo-d3 you're missing a paleo love-in 916460;1415648530;gribble;The operation succeeded. 916461;1415648531;joecool;if you don't like it, get better coffee and learn how to make it 916462;1415648531;chetty;only way to drink coffee 916463;1415648535;ben_vulpes;;;seen diablo-d3 916464;1415648535;gribble;diablo-d3 was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 2 weeks, 6 days, 21 hours, 35 minutes, and 1 second ago: so it never happened 916465;1415648550;saifedean;we humans are simply not evolved to eat grains and seeds. Evolution has worked for millions of years so that the fruit contains nutrients that are good for us, and it also looks good, smells good and appeals to us, because it's good for us and for the plant that we eat the fruit, and that's why we can eat it in the raw. 916466;1415648585;ben_vulpes;saifedean: have you ever read the 10,000 year explosion? 916467;1415648589;joecool;nah fuck fruit tbh, rarely eat the stuff 916468;1415648604;undata;wut 916469;1415648614;undata;joecool: never? 916470;1415648631;joecool;undata: pretty much yeah, i hardly ever have it 916471;1415648635;saifedean;But we are not meant to eat the seeds or the grains, they are meant to go into the earth to bring forth more plants. That;s why seeds and grains do not look appealing, do not taste or smell good, and they are absolutely destructive for our body if eaten. agriculture and modern processing over the last 10,000 years has made these things slightly less destructive to us and we have developed some capacity to tolerate them, bu 916472;1415648637;chetty;I dont think I am that far off paleo as it is, most of what I eat is raw fruit, veggies and meat anyway. 916473;1415648648;joecool;berries yes, leafy vegetables of course, but fuck eating tons of fruit 916474;1415648656;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14250 @ 0.00065012 = 9.2642 BTC [+] 916475;1415648684;undata;joecool: ah nobody needs tons 916476;1415648724;xanthyos;!up thomas_d 916477;1415648727;xanthyos;hi 916478;1415648740;saifedean;if you eliminate grains, seeds and sugars, you effectively eliminate the possibility of developing most modern diseases, including diabetes, cancer, alzheimer's, obesity, and so on 916479;1415648744;xanthyos;!up thomas_d 916480;1415648754;thomas_d;hey 916481;1415648769;chetty;ahh I be chocolate isnt on the list, cant be doing without that for more than a week :P 916482;1415648776;saifedean;ben_vulpes, i havent. would you recommend it? 916483;1415648786;ben_vulpes;i have. 916484;1415648794;xanthyos;what's the link to the wot faq? 916485;1415648798;joecool;chetty: i eat high % chocolate, usually 91% or 100% 916486;1415648801;joecool;sugar is not a concern there 916487;1415648808;ben_vulpes;it puts a mess of holes about three feet below the water line of this "ancient diet" crap. 916488;1415648822;ben_vulpes;s/crap/Zodiac 916489;1415648828;saifedean;dark chocolate aint that bad, the thing is, you never have to completely eliminate anything... you just need to drastically reduce some thing and make sure they are not a regular part of your diet 916490;1415648843;ben_vulpes;dude what is with the endless wordstream 916491;1415648901;chetty;well if I got dark chocolate everything else will be ok. :) 916492;1415649054;saifedean;yes, coffee is fine... and if you have it with butter, you win extra paleo points! 916493;1415649091;ben_vulpes;!up lobbes 916494;1415649101;ben_vulpes;you're welcome 916495;1415649144;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14200 @ 0.00064819 = 9.2043 BTC [-] 916496;1415649165;chetty;I read about that coffee with butter thing, havent had the nerve to try it 916497;1415649181;ben_vulpes;i did it for a while 916498;1415649184;ben_vulpes;made me feel funny 916499;1415649185;lobbes;<+saifedean> if you eliminate grains, seeds and sugars, you effectively eliminate the possibility of developing most modern diseases, including diabetes, cancer, alzheimer's, obesity, and so on << okay.. I can maybe see diabetes.. but to eliminate the possibility of cancer by cutting out sugar and seeds?? 916500;1415649213;ben_vulpes;lobbes: excess energy in the system develops parasites 916501;1415649216;ben_vulpes;it's like communism 916502;1415649217;ben_vulpes;BUT IN YOU 916503;1415649218;saifedean;http://vernerwheelock.com/?p=327 916504;1415649219;assbot;58. Cancer and Sugar | Verner's Views 916505;1415649220;joecool;cancer really likes fruit :) 916506;1415649226;lobbes;ahaha 916507;1415649251;TomServo;ben_vulpes: lol 916508;1415649287;saifedean;check out Otto Warburg, German Nobel Laureate in Medicine, whose main contribution was to discover that it is only through sugar intake that cancer cells can grow. Eliminate sugar, eliminate cancer, it's that simple. And that, incidentally, is why hunter-gatherers have zero sugar 916509;1415649377;undata;http://nutritionaloncology.org/cancerCellMetabolism.html this thing? 916510;1415649545;saifedean;yes, though i havent read this piece, but take it from the horse's mouth: http://www.whale.to/a/warburg.html 916511;1415649545;assbot;The Prime Cause and Prevention of Cancer by Otto Warburg 916512;1415649640;xanthyos;!down thomas_d 916513;1415649667;xanthyos;i resent being solicited for help joining the wot only to then have them go afk 916514;1415649724;ben_vulpes; yes, though i havent read this piece << you're like the guy who links to btc stealing malware 916515;1415649734;ben_vulpes;"i didn't actually read the source oh noes" 916516;1415649754;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25131 @ 0.00064819 = 16.2897 BTC [-] 916517;1415650045;saifedean;i didnt actually read the link you sent so i can't vouch for it, or if it's an accurate explanation of the topic, so i gave you one that i had read which i know is good 916518;1415650226;Pierre_Rochard;!up saifedean 916519;1415650361;lobbes;<+saifedean> yes, though i havent read this piece, but take it from the horse's mouth: http://www.whale.to/a/warburg.html << hehe, I dig the tripod.com url at the top of the page; vintage 916520;1415650361;assbot;The Prime Cause and Prevention of Cancer by Otto Warburg 916521;1415650432;Apocalyptic; cancer really likes fruit :) // cancer likes fructose 916522;1415650454;Apocalyptic;as any other type of sugar 916523;1415651313;Pierre_Rochard;saifedean: looking forward to savoring your restaurant’s lamb shank one day 916524;1415651590;cazalla;https://www.quantcast.com/qntra.net qntra continues to lose traffic, it's dead 916525;1415651590;assbot; Qntra.net Traffic and Demographic Statistics by Quantcast 916526;1415652342;punkman;cazalla: you just need more ddos 916527;1415652401;cazalla;twozerofive doesn't come around here much now 916528;1415652407;cazalla;;;seen twozerofive 916529;1415652407;gribble;I have not seen twozerofive. 916530;1415652432;cazalla;;;seen fivezerotwo 916531;1415652432;gribble;fivezerotwo was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 6 days, 21 hours, 54 minutes, and 17 seconds ago: have fun, i'll see you soon :D 916532;1415652436;cazalla;already forgotten his name 916533;1415652445;mike_c;502, get it. bad gateway. 916534;1415652461;cazalla;did not occur to me 916535;1415652463;mike_c;it's like l33t speek 916536;1415652482;cazalla;obvious now that you pointed it out 916537;1415652498;mike_c;oh no, i didn't get it either. he explained it in channel at some point. 916538;1415652512;mike_c;all the best jokes require explanation. 916539;1415652567;rithm;his name was robert paulsen 916540;1415654993;xanthyos;!up bagels7 916541;1415655024;xanthyos;;;rate bagels7 1 known online 5 years consistently friendly 916542;1415655024;gribble;Error: User doesn't exist in the Rating or GPG databases. User must be GPG-registered to receive ratings. 916543;1415656769;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5569 @ 0.00064803 = 3.6089 BTC [-] {2} 916544;1415657069;xanthyos;!up bagels7 916545;1415657080;xanthyos;!up thomas_d 916546;1415657441;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 51100 @ 0.00064597 = 33.0091 BTC [-] {2} 916547;1415658660;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19050 @ 0.00064574 = 12.3013 BTC [-] {2} 916548;1415660731;nubbins`;;;seen thestringpuller 916549;1415660731;gribble;thestringpuller was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 3 hours, 54 minutes, and 0 seconds ago: saifedean: I prefer my diet of candy and insulin. 916550;1415660742;nubbins`;thestringpuller you know they found your poster? 916551;1415660795;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13150 @ 0.00064547 = 8.4879 BTC [-] 916552;1415660838;nubbins`;postage apparently emancipated itself from the package, it'd been sitting in an abandoned mail room awaiting destruction 916553;1415660910;nubbins`;guy was all "we'll never find it", i described the shape and he was all "o yeah, that one" 916554;1415660922;nubbins`;anyway. on its way. i guess. 916555;1415661238;thestringpuller;nubbins` 916556;1415661267;thestringpuller;no? 916557;1415661283;thestringpuller;oh cool 916558;1415662619;BingoBoingo; if you eliminate grains, seeds and sugars, you effectively eliminate the possibility of developing most modern diseases, including diabetes, cancer, alzheimer's, obesity, and so on << What about Chagas, Obola, and Syphillis? 916559;1415662734;BingoBoingo;!up saifedean 916560;1415665248;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 43294 @ 0.0006461 = 27.9723 BTC [+] {2} 916561;1415665309;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15656 @ 0.00064484 = 10.0956 BTC [-] {2} 916562;1415666298;scoopbot;New post on Qntra.net by cazalla: http://qntra.net/2014/11/rbnz-does-not-feel-threatened-by-bitcoin/ 916563;1415666667;mircea_popescu;saifedean: making the switch from the crap that everyone eats today to paleo eating is no less revolutionary than jumping from the world of bezzle to bitcoin <<< eh get out with the paleo stuff. what do you do for cake ? 916564;1415666697;mircea_popescu;i mean sure, the hamburger & canned hot dog crowd is eating very poorly, but that's not the same thing. 916565;1415666774;mircea_popescu;undata: the cheese could go too but that's no way to live << no buttermilk ? no yogurt ? why would i even. 916566;1415666780;mircea_popescu;i think half the liquid i drink is milk. 916567;1415666824;mircea_popescu;joecool: ah i missed mp, funny seeing the noob log << good to know someone actually misses me :D 916568;1415666834;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9621 @ 0.00064211 = 6.1777 BTC [-] 916569;1415666937;mircea_popescu;undata: you want economic security; that's it. <<< could a visiting merchant buy a nice ham off of one of your families when passing through ? 916570;1415667042;mircea_popescu;joecool:plenty of deer to shoot and ran a large vegetable garden saifedean:undata but then... who will raise the aggregate demand?! <<< you two are aware that if this were the normal about 90% of urban population would die off through simple starvation within the decade, yes ? 916571;1415667125;undata;mircea_popescu: I wouldn't bat an eye. 916572;1415667154;mircea_popescu;undata you would after shoveling corpses for a week or two. 916573;1415667181;mircea_popescu;so the sad news is, argentina has bad peaches down to a fucking artform. this set here, properly juicy, smell great, taste like fucking corcoduse 916574;1415667185;mircea_popescu;ie, wild apricots. 916575;1415667206;mircea_popescu;may be the worst scampeaches i ever did see. 916576;1415667391;scoopbot;New post on Qntra.net by Bingo Boingo: http://qntra.net/2014/11/usps-hacked-every-employees-personal-information-compromised/ 916577;1415667400;mircea_popescu;bwahhaha 916578;1415667438;mircea_popescu;"o no, we will just work with the usg, help them track bitcoiner's shippments. nothing bad could ever happen!" 916579;1415667525;mircea_popescu;saifedean: chetty: "but I really don't see passing on grain entirely." Try it for a week and see what it does to you. How hard can that be? What do you stand to lose? <<< i'm pretty sure she did try it for a week on and off, multiple times. not purposefully or anything, just, how it happened. 916580;1415667551;mircea_popescu;xanthyos: bringing a new guy here who wants in the wot <<< well, who is he ? 916581;1415667607;mircea_popescu;saifedean: we humans are simply not evolved to eat grains and seeds. Evolution has worked for millions of years so << we humans are also simply not evolved to wash. 916582;1415667617;mircea_popescu;and come to think of it, we're quite pointedly not evolved to use condoms, either. 916583;1415667639;mircea_popescu;which of these are you giving up because of that silly "evolved" theory ? i wasn't evolved to use a keyboard nor to cross the street nor do i give a shit. 916584;1415667686;mircea_popescu;joecool: undata: pretty much yeah, i hardly ever have it << my bet is because you live in a place with shitty (ie, supermarket) fruit. 916585;1415667735;mircea_popescu;saifedean: But we are not meant to eat the seeds [...] they are meant to go into the earth to bring forth more plants. << http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fUspLVStPbk nothing is "meant", srsly. 916586;1415667735;assbot;Every Sperm is Sacred - Monty Python's The Meaning of Life - YouTube 916587;1415667741;joecool;mircea_popescu: nah, despite the fact i live in 'murica, i have grown my own fruit and vegetables 916588;1415667747;BingoBoingo;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=08-09-2014#822509 916589;1415667747;assbot;Logged on 08-09-2014 13:26:02; BingoBoingo: The gluten thing is just because some members of the species don't have genetic compatibility with this "agriculture" thing yet... 916590;1415667767;mircea_popescu;joecool but getting good fruit is a nontrivial pursuit. say you "made your own wine". well... ? so what if you did. 916591;1415667818;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo im romanian, im fucking evolved to eat bread. we've been eating bread for well over five millenia now, and it was millet before it was wheat. 916592;1415667823;mircea_popescu;just a latin thing. 916593;1415667893;BingoBoingo;Yeah. Bread is good. SOmetimes i do "Bread cleanses" where I'll get a big loaf of bread, some nice butter, and eat that for a day or two. 916594;1415667897;mircea_popescu;(incidentally, millet unlevened bread, now that's an experience. i have nfi why it's not becoming a hipster thing. maybe they never heard of it) 916595;1415667937;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo this used to be what students lived off in the 80s/90s. there was an actual shop speficially catering to it. various sour milks and breads. 916596;1415667948;xanthyos;<+mircea_popescu> xanthyos: bringing a new guy here who wants in the wot 916597;1415667948;BingoBoingo;Millet's probably in the que to become a hipster thing. They just have to work through the other fads. 916598;1415667950;mircea_popescu;;;google cluj sora 916599;1415667951;gribble;Cluj-Napoca travel guide - Wikitravel: ; Cluj-Napoca – Travel guide at Wikivoyage: ; Sora Shopping Center - Visit CLUJ: 916600;1415667964;mircea_popescu;meanwhile it sold out, became a "shopping center" 916601;1415667964;xanthyos;<<< well, who is he ? << it was that thomas_d guy and also bagels7 but i think thomas is flaking out 916602;1415667984;mircea_popescu;xanthyos moar like, what do they do. 916603;1415668000;xanthyos;i don't know if i'm at liberty to reveal that information 916604;1415668002;xanthyos;bagels7: ? 916605;1415668021;BingoBoingo; BingoBoingo this used to be what students lived off in the 80s/90s. there was an actual shop speficially catering to it. various sour milks and breads. << Well, I picked up the habit in school, so... 916606;1415668023;mircea_popescu;a, np 916607;1415668038;joecool;mircea_popescu: you mentioned you came out of retirement to start mpex, what was your trade before retiring? 916608;1415668064;mircea_popescu;joecool that was never very clearly specified. 916609;1415668154;joecool;is that a polite way of saying "i'd rather not disclose"? 916610;1415668178;mircea_popescu;well, it's a polite way of saying nothing at all :) 916611;1415668195;joecool;:) fair enough 916612;1415668212;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo incidentally : yogurt is properly made out of boiled milk, whereas the same process applied to raw milk resulted in something called "sana" in romania of the time. 916613;1415668234;mircea_popescu;which are both different from buttermilk etc. it's a huge topic, this, and honestly half of it comes from turkey an' lebanon :p 916614;1415668243;BingoBoingo;I've never had the opportunity to actual yogurt. 916615;1415668260;BingoBoingo;Buttermilk is accessible here. 916616;1415668323;mircea_popescu;http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J-ZjH6mpbyQ 916617;1415668323;assbot;Slappy the Squirrel Buttermilk Ad Chipmunk - YouTube 916618;1415668324;BingoBoingo;It's not the easiest thing to find, but actual cultured butter is still accesible here. 916619;1415668400;BingoBoingo;lol, makes a body bitter 916620;1415668482;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 38255 @ 0.00064374 = 24.6263 BTC [+] {2} 916621;1415668670;gernika;I suspect that there has not been much or any negative selection related to eating grains. Eating them doesn't kill you before you can breed. So yes, eventually they may or may not make you fat and give you diabetes, but not before you've had 10 kids fueled on starch alone. 916622;1415668748;nubbins`;grains are great 916623;1415668749;mircea_popescu;gernika actually starch only diets are known to be toxic, for vitamin depletion reasons 916624;1415668753;cazalla;10 kids? wash ya mouth out 916625;1415668762;mircea_popescu;poor peasants in the premodern times got b defficiencies all the time, inter alia 916626;1415668775;nubbins`;mircea_popescu iirc the b deficiencies were from doing whippets all day 916627;1415668792;nubbins`;LEL I KID 916628;1415668798;mircea_popescu;meat only diets are just as toxic, through overwhelming kidney clearances for protein metabolic products. etc. 916629;1415668810;mircea_popescu;;;ud whippet 916630;1415668810;gribble;http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=whippets | Whipped-cream-in-a-can is propelled by nitrous oxide. This usage is the source of the term "whippet". The term has come to refer to any little canister that'll give ... 916631;1415668818;mircea_popescu;lmao 916632;1415668841;ben_vulpes;mmm nox 916633;1415668842;gernika;mircea_popescu ok I should substitute "mostly grain + small amount of meat and vegetables" for "starch alone" then 916634;1415668874;mircea_popescu;anyway, cancer has a huge genetic component. diabetes a smaller but present one. obviously eating better improves health, but that's a much weaker claim than "do away with" 916635;1415668892;nubbins`;ben_vulpes i was recently trying to describe the sensation of being rendered unconscious by NO2 in a clinical setting. after hemming and hawing for a few minutes, i said "it's sort of like doing whippets until you pass out" 916636;1415668909;nubbins`;by the time "until" reached my lips, i realized that's exactly what it was 8) 916637;1415668912;mircea_popescu;gernika that's pretty much the first stable diet. roman workers/soldiers got bread, beer (liquid bread) and some olives/small fishes. 916638;1415668962;mircea_popescu;and i guess grapes the day the boss' wife was doing the fingertrap. 916639;1415668972;nubbins`;! 916640;1415669001;BingoBoingo;The case of shitgnome vs. shitgnome https://gnome.org/groupon/ 916641;1415669001;assbot;Help the GNOME Foundation defend the GNOME Trademark 916642;1415669018;mircea_popescu;lol 916643;1415669042;gernika;mircea_popescu I'm guessing Egyptian workers/soldiers got the same. 916644;1415669091;mircea_popescu;nah, not before caesar at any rate. 916645;1415669118;mircea_popescu;for one thing they didn't eat fish (seth lived in the nile). for another, i dun recall what their main grain was but definitely not wheat. 916646;1415669120;ben_vulpes;nice nubbins`. 916647;1415669123;gernika;well, no olives 916648;1415669196;nubbins`;mircea_popescu i feel like it was some sort of shitty type of wheat 916649;1415669212;nubbins`;actually maybe barley 916650;1415669213;*;nubbins` shrugs 916651;1415669215;mircea_popescu;doubt it. maybe some sort of millet ? or rye ? 916652;1415669225;mircea_popescu;in any case : they mostly ate firepit baked unleavened clumps of dough 916653;1415669230;mircea_popescu;the romans made bread, ie, in an oven 916654;1415669238;mircea_popescu;huge fucken difference between frying and baking 916655;1415669249;ben_vulpes;emmer? 916656;1415669256;gernika;looks like barley and emmer wheat 916657;1415669261;mircea_popescu;emmer wheat ok. 916658;1415669275;mircea_popescu;farro. 916659;1415669281;ben_vulpes;wait unleavened? what's the deal with the joostories then? 916660;1415669281;gernika;And apparently beer (from the barley) 916661;1415669333;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes well who the fuck's to know. but anyway, leavening was an innovation roughly at the time, poorly received 916662;1415669633;mircea_popescu;sort-of like we snub our nose at mcdo hamburgers i guess. 916663;1415669637;mircea_popescu;same principle anyway. 916664;1415669706;mircea_popescu;!up aspho 916665;1415669726;aspho;Hey, did qntra just go coindesk or what? http://qntra.net/2014/11/national-bank-of-ukraine-bitcoin-not-to-be-used-for-payments/ - http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/2lvczp/ukraine_and_bitcoin_clarification/ (reddit of all places, sigh) 916666;1415669727;assbot;National Bank of Ukraine: Bitcoin Not to Be Used for Payments | Qntra.net 916667;1415669727;assbot;Ukraine and Bitcoin. Clarification : Bitcoin 916668;1415669787;nubbins`;hrm 916669;1415669798;nubbins`;"your order number is 999" 916670;1415669800;nubbins`;o.O 916671;1415669807;*;nubbins` checks for fisher-price logo 916672;1415669841;mircea_popescu;"There are reports that the National Bank of Ukraine has issued a directive on its Facebook page banning the use of Bitcoin for payments within the country" 916673;1415669846;mircea_popescu;there are reports... coulda been worse. 916674;1415669861;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo i suppose some sort of revision's in order ? 916675;1415669901;nubbins`;!up Vexual 916676;1415669904;cazalla;aspho, the post references the stupidity of "issuing missives via Facebook post" so no, Qntra has not done coindesk 916677;1415669938;cazalla;https://plus.google.com/events/cgmh17inrj7123k5gsott6udhfo 916678;1415669956;aspho;Semantics isn't it? 916679;1415669984;aspho;tbf I read it both ways 916680;1415669986;mircea_popescu;cazalla that is true, but it wasn't all that explicitly doing that was it ? 916681;1415670015;BingoBoingo;https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/2lvczp/ukraine_and_bitcoin_clarification/ << Doesn't seem to contradict the Qntra report. 916682;1415670016;assbot;Ukraine and Bitcoin. Clarification : Bitcoin 916683;1415670047;mircea_popescu;"Not only is the notion of government by Facebook page about on par with the US immigration policy implemented by wikipedia lookup, but the interpretation offered isn't even supported by the original text, which merely says..." 916684;1415670441;mircea_popescu;lobbes: okay.. I can maybe see diabetes.. but to eliminate the possibility of cancer by cutting out sugar and seeds <<< there are some good if not winning arguments in favour. generally, fats are about twice as energetic per gram as sugars. however the power (ie, energy per time) function is much flatter. that's only half the story, of course, because the fat (and protein, they're related, as you'd expect) processing b 916685;1415670442;mircea_popescu;andwidth is much wider than the sugars, for the obvious reason. this makes a lot of subordinate wheels be connected principaly to that main engine, much like the alternator in the car is connected to the gasoline powered carnot cycle, not to say the steering wheel. one of those subordinate wheels is actually the immune system, and so in a very pedestrian reading, obtaining most of your energy from the kreb cycle means 916686;1415670442;mircea_popescu;an underpowered immune system, among other things. (then again, other systems, such as a whole array of cellular antioxidants, essentially all the red cell metabolism and all the brain are powered by the carbohydrate metabolism). in short... no easy answers. srsly. we "are evolved" to do everything. 916687;1415670697;mircea_popescu;saifedean: check out Otto Warburg, German Nobel Laureate in Medicine, whose main contribution was to discover that it is only through sugar intake that cancer cells can grow <<< this is exactly false. for instance, breast carcinoma cells are most always grown in vitro on collagen substrate. collagen is a protein not a sugar. 916688;1415670705;cazalla;aspho, BingoBoingo has updated the post to clarify but fwiw i was implied it might not be factual given facebook 916689;1415670800;mircea_popescu;!up agamemno123 916690;1415670813;cazalla;and as good as we are at qntra, we make mistakes, we are not infallible 916691;1415670833;BingoBoingo;As far as the Warburg stuff goes. It's generally accepted that cancer cells generally turn to some some of anearobes, but... SOmetimes it works the opposite way like in breast cancer, and the change over almost certainly seems to not be the cause of the cancer. 916692;1415670849;cazalla;i think only one person claims to be, eh thickasthieves? *rimshot* 916693;1415670874;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo well yeah. it's a complicated thing. moreover, simply because one doesn't *eat* sugar does not mean glycogen does not exist in their body or anything 916694;1415670890;aspho;Cazalla: I see where you're coming from. not pointing fingers, just helping out (although it gets attention comparing with coindesk heh) 916695;1415670931;mircea_popescu;aspho i dun think anyone tried just saying it to see if it gets ignored or anything yet. 916696;1415670942;mircea_popescu;as opposed to "getting attention" 916697;1415670961;BingoBoingo;Well, someone invented the HTML strikethrough tag for a reason 916698;1415670978;mircea_popescu;xanthyos: i resent being solicited for help joining the wot only to then have them go afk << resent less, live longer. definitely happier. 916699;1415671015;xanthyos;bagels7: speak to the man! 916700;1415671024;aspho;ya next time 916701;1415671038;mircea_popescu;anyway, pop-medicine is like pop-computing. sort-of php. 916702;1415671099;BingoBoingo;Eh, wait to people find out they make glucose... 916703;1415671118;Vexual;hey glucose is fat free 916704;1415671150;mircea_popescu;but anyway, from a political standpoint the "no sugar" angle is good. i'm stuck mostly eating homemade cake because everyone's convinced you need sugar by the bucket. "gotta be sweet man!" 916705;1415671156;mircea_popescu;!up supay 916706;1415671170;mircea_popescu;in the end conversion from online recipe to edible recipe is cup of sugar -> spoonful of sugar 916707;1415671283;xanthyos;!up bagels7 916708;1415671354;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo anyway, as far as i understand (not an expert) the reason neoplasm mostly turns anaerobic is that apoptosis main branch and aerobic respiration share some protein pathways. so it often gets deleted in the same pass as it were, "no electricity" means no music and no light at the same time. 916709;1415671426;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: That seems to go with what I read as well. 916710;1415671519;mircea_popescu;!up username0 916711;1415671520;BingoBoingo;The problem of cancer is cell division and cells not self destructing when they come up defective because the checking mechanism's broke. The anerobe thing is a side effect. 916712;1415671526;mircea_popescu;!up username0_ 916713;1415671545;mircea_popescu;!up aspho 916714;1415671571;xanthyos;hi bagels7 916715;1415671577;BingoBoingo;!up Vexual 916716;1415671624;mircea_popescu;cazalla: qntra continues to lose traffic, it's dead << at least it has what to lose lol 916717;1415671649;mircea_popescu;punkman: cazalla: you just need more ddos << you know that read "more dildos". which.... hm. 916718;1415671702;mircea_popescu;nubbins`: guy was all "we'll never find it", i described the shape and he was all "o yeah, that one" << bwahahaha 916719;1415671753;fluffypony;mircea_popescu: what I think about BA or about the steak there? 916720;1415671765;mircea_popescu;about the steak there. 916721;1415671809;fluffypony;oh I'm dead keen 916722;1415671834;fluffypony;the steak here has mostly been average, I've had one above-average steak and that was at Seasons52 in Los Angeles 916723;1415671836;mircea_popescu;i had no idea sa is actually famous for steak, but apparently. 916724;1415671907;nubbins`;yup 916725;1415671918;nubbins`;i worked in a restaurant here in canada, they served argentine beef 916726;1415671933;mircea_popescu;nubbins` south africa. i know argentine beef is famous. 916727;1415671937;fluffypony;nubbins` btw 916728;1415671945;nubbins`;oh THAT south ___ 916729;1415671959;nubbins`;they did not serve south african beef 916730;1415671965;fluffypony;I went to the Adventure Expo in Salt Lake City wearing the t-shirts you made 916731;1415671973;fluffypony;and got stopped and asked about Bitcoin by 3 people :) 916732;1415671978;nubbins`;not bad! 916733;1415671987;nubbins`;imagine if you'd brought your poster with you :p 916734;1415671995;fluffypony;lol 916735;1415672010;mircea_popescu;imagine if you were naked! 916736;1415672014;mircea_popescu;no wait. 916737;1415672017;mircea_popescu;that wouldn't work. 916738;1415672065;fluffypony;hah hah 916739;1415672080;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22870 @ 0.00064845 = 14.8301 BTC [+] 916740;1415672090;mircea_popescu;;;bare tits tshirt 916741;1415672090;BingoBoingo;Peoples with mobile devices, test the qntra layout 916742;1415672090;gribble;Error: "bare" is not a valid command. 916743;1415672094;nubbins`;walk up to naked dude, "what about bitcoin?" 916744;1415672096;mircea_popescu;;;google bare tits tshirt 916745;1415672097;gribble;Amateur girls in wet tshirts flashing boobs - Video Dailymotion: ; wet shirt contest topless nude - Video Dailymotion: ; Big Tits and Fine Ass Wet T-Shirt Contest - Video Dailymotion: (1 more message) 916746;1415672114;mircea_popescu;check out the dailymotion monopoly. 916747;1415672202;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21800 @ 0.00064967 = 14.1628 BTC [+] {3} 916748;1415672207;mircea_popescu;anyway, something like http://images.halloweencostume.com/products/11388/1-1/adult-hands-covering-boobs-t-shirt.jpg 916749;1415672227;mircea_popescu;nubbins` can you do that, but for male shirts ? 916750;1415672249;mircea_popescu;"Bitcoin brings out the best in you" or w/e. 916751;1415672260;nubbins`;maybe a hand cupping the genitals 916752;1415672272;nubbins`;another arm strapped across a flabby, hairy chest 916753;1415672281;mircea_popescu;make a 6pack one for girls 916754;1415672300;mircea_popescu;nah dude, genderbendin'! 916755;1415672443;nubbins`;heh 916756;1415672446;nubbins`;far out! 916757;1415672454;nubbins`;speaking of, here's the cover of the book we're working on now 916758;1415672456;nubbins`;http://imgur.com/dEz2h75 916759;1415672456;assbot; imgur: the simple image sharer 916760;1415672587;xanthyos;;;ident bagels7 916761;1415672587;gribble;Nick 'bagels7', with hostmask 'bagels7!bagels7@modemcable232.144-161-184.mc.videotron.ca', is not identified. 916762;1415672609;xanthyos;;;ident sophiesakura 916763;1415672610;gribble;Error: I am not seeing this user on IRC. If you want information about a registered gpg user, try the 'gpg info' command instead. 916764;1415672621;xanthyos;;;gettrust sophiesakura 916765;1415672621;gribble;WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user xanthyos to user sophiesakura: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=xanthyos&dest=sophiesakura | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=sophiesakura | Rated since: never 916766;1415672865;mircea_popescu;nubbins` is that an acid dropping guide ? 916767;1415672912;Vexual;he is 916768;1415672926;nubbins`;metallic inks on black paper 916769;1415672931;nubbins`;you should see the inside :0 916770;1415672954;mircea_popescu;"As a woman, peeing is a very big part of my life. It�s something I do often, and something I do well." 916771;1415672956;mircea_popescu;god help us. 916772;1415672959;xiando;tl;dr 1) Do not do it alone 2) Do it with friends you trust 3) Do it in a calm safe place 4) Have some good music prepared 916773;1415672970;nubbins`;xiando out of left field 916774;1415672978;mircea_popescu;xiando apparently his guide is "go birdwatching" 916775;1415673003;nubbins`;solo trip is something one must experience at least once 916776;1415673038;cazalla;did once at 15 on mushrooms, freaked out, called poison hotline, told not to eat mushrooms again 916777;1415673040;mircea_popescu;"I�m not some feminist radical Jane Fonda of the 70s type women, but I hate bras. I hate the way they feel. They are uncomfortable. They bind, they chafe, and when you have small breasts, they ride up." 916778;1415673055;mircea_popescu;yeah, that's the problem. the way they feel. just like you should be having bigger tits. 916779;1415673064;Vexual;it's all about the duck 916780;1415673074;nubbins`;duck w/ mushrooms is nice 916781;1415673088;nubbins`;oh wait sorry 916782;1415673116;BingoBoingo;http://www.nytimes.com/2014/11/10/us/police-use-department-wish-list-when-deciding-which-assets-to-seize.html?_r=0 916783;1415673118;assbot;Log In - The New York Times 916784;1415673347;nubbins`;http://imgur.com/VIRQVS1 916785;1415673347;assbot; imgur: the simple image sharer 916786;1415673361;nubbins`;the greater black-backed gull 916787;1415673406;nubbins`;protip: click to zoom 916788;1415673410;xiando;Mr. McMurtry said his handling of a case is sometimes determined by department wish lists. "If you want the car, and you really want to put it in your fleet, let me know -- I'll fight for it," Mr. McMurtry said, http://www.nytimes.com/2014/11/10/us/police-use-department-wish-list-when-deciding-which-assets-to-seize.html?_r=1 MUURICA and we got similar local laws last month 916789;1415673412;assbot;Log In - The New York Times 916790;1415673432;xiando;I remember when we had freedom of speech and property rights in Sweeden. Good times 916791;1415673461;joecool;wat jewelry too hard to dispose of? 916792;1415673497;BingoBoingo;joecool: The proceeds from selling that go into the general fund and not the law enforcement fund, so why bother? 916793;1415673527;cazalla;xiando, now you just have niggers raping da white wimminz? 916794;1415673553;BingoBoingo;Also yeah, jewellry is a sucker's market. 916795;1415673627;xiando;Not sure if joke and I don't like the N word but: We do not have any here. None. I have perhaps seen 1 this year. People from the middle east? quite a lot. But no black people. 916796;1415673695;asciilifeform;incidentally (ianal!!) but usa has a federal law prescribing punishment for destroying property in order to prevent, iirc, 'lawful seizure.' does this still apply for... unlawful seizure? 916797;1415673717;nubbins`;"i don't like the N word but we do not have any here" lel any what? 916798;1415673728;xiando;black people 916799;1415673737;nubbins`;8) 916800;1415673778;xiando;My childhood friend Charles whos father worked at the US embassy in Norway (black family) told me that using the N word is really disrespectful and hurtfull. 916801;1415673814;nubbins`;sorry, i was just amused by the way you worded your sentence. i know what you mean :D 916802;1415673925;joecool;lol i saw only 2 black people the month i was in newfoundland, was strange 916803;1415674079;ben_vulpes;hey any webdevs with spare cycles want to work on a btc app with me? 916804;1415674090;ben_vulpes;well "with me" 916805;1415674094;ben_vulpes;i say "make this thing" 916806;1415674133;joecool;he said the a-word, pass 916807;1415674152;joecool;ben_vulpes: what's the budget 916808;1415674171;ben_vulpes;the budget is half whatever it brings in over its lifetime 916809;1415674207;ben_vulpes;its a tiny little thing for someone with too much time on their hands to grind on 916810;1415674220;cazalla;xiando, we don't have black people in australia so i was not aware nigger is offensive, thank you for telling me 916811;1415674254;BingoBoingo;cazalla: What about the Abbos? 916812;1415674256;cazalla;!up Vexual 916813;1415674260;nubbins`;ben_vulpes what's the app for 916814;1415674262;joecool;abbies yo 916815;1415674262;cazalla;BingoBoingo, they are not people 916816;1415674272;joecool;good to know 916817;1415674293;Vexual;xiando, I'm black and I hand out down by the canl in stockholm after sunset sometimes, you haven't seen me? 916818;1415674312;nubbins`;Vexual whoa that's where i buy weed 916819;1415674316;nubbins`;crazy 916820;1415674325;Vexual;just jewelry 916821;1415674338;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20825 @ 0.00064844 = 13.5038 BTC [-] {2} 916822;1415675070;ben_vulpes;;;later tell nubbins btc in, webservice out 916823;1415675070;gribble;The operation succeeded. 916824;1415675082;ben_vulpes;;;later tell nubbins probably stupid, but could be stood up and walked away from 916825;1415675083;gribble;The operation succeeded. 916826;1415675496;decimation;http://www.fourmilab.ch/fourmilog/archives/2014-11/001538.html << herr Walker reviews a book which describes the pitiful state of usg's land-based icbms 916827;1415675496;assbot;Reading List: Command and Control (Fourmilog: None Dare Call It Reason) 916828;1415675586;mircea_popescu;xiando My childhood friend Charles whos father worked at the US embassy in Norway (black family) told me that using the N word is really disrespectful and hurtfull. << who're you gonna believe. 916829;1415675605;decimation;the lefties then interview young men who gave their youth to usg to 'man missiles' http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2014/11/air-force-missile-wing-minuteman-iii-nuclear-weapons-burnout 916830;1415675606;assbot;Death Wears Bunny Slippers | Mother Jones 916831;1415675639;mircea_popescu; xiando, I'm black << are you actually ? 916832;1415675682;mircea_popescu;decimation inasmuch as those things are about as useful as the five foot tall plaster cake in a confectioner's window, wut diff does it make. 916833;1415675693;Vexual;notrly 916834;1415675699;decimation;what, the icbms? 916835;1415675749;mircea_popescu;yes 916836;1415675771;decimation;yeah: "Ditching the ICBMs would save taxpayers $14 billion over the next 10 years, but not everyone's a fan of the idea: Senators from states where the missiles are based and tested have formed an ICBM caucus that isn't shy to throw its weight around. As a condition for confirming Rose Gottemoeller, Obama's recent pick for undersecretary of state for arms control and international security, the caucus insisted that the Pentagon 916837;1415675773;decimation;maintain all 454 ICBM silos, even through it is trimming the number of missiles to 400. (Yes, we will man and maintain 54 empty silos.)" 916838;1415675794;decimation;"Instead, most defense experts believe that in almost all foreseeable scenarios we'd strike with a bomber or a submarine, deployed from nearby shores or military bases." 916839;1415675813;decimation;it's pretty likely the Ruskies have already surveyed each icbm site to the millimeter 916840;1415675955;asciilifeform;decimation: that was sorta the point. tie up opponent's rockets, fewer remain for cities and known sub coordinates 916841;1415675981;asciilifeform;decimation: of course, this is back when the advantage of land rocket was used - they were once fitted with 'mirv' 916842;1415676004;decimation;which makes more sense of course 916843;1415676004;asciilifeform;so, the land rockets, sitting ducks as they were, were still forced targets 916844;1415676038;Vexual;ftas is where its at 916845;1415676053;decimation;and the youth who stumbled into the chumpatron of 'manning' the missiles become human statues 916846;1415676068;asciilifeform;human statues << unlike every other military sentry? 916847;1415676075;asciilifeform;srsly, they signed up for human statue detail 916848;1415676088;Vexual;were signing with china to provide more beef every year than we have, checkmate 916849;1415676102;decimation;asciilifeform: the youth in the motherjones story claims he wanted to be a pilot, air force changed the eyesight rules, suddenly a missiler is he 916850;1415676131;asciilifeform;lol, it was always traditional wisdom that a fellow with less than perfect eyes will fly 'mahogany bombers' 916851;1415676135;decimation;http://spacenews.com/article/military-space/42481us-missile-defense-agency-intercepts-three-targets-in-%E2%80%9Craid%E2%80%9D-test << usg wants to physically demonstrate ascii's anti-missiie theory 916852;1415676137;assbot;U.S. Missile Defense Agency Intercepts Three Targets in “Raid” Test | SpaceNews.com 916853;1415676158;mod6;cazalla BingoBoingo would either of you guys mind tweeting out a link to this? http://qntra.net/2014/11/bitcoin-declaration-of-sovereignty-filed/ 916854;1415676158;assbot;Bitcoin Declaration of Sovereignty Filed | Qntra.net 916855;1415676180;decimation;"But during his senior year, the Air Force ended a waiver program that allowed cadets with imperfect vision—including Aaron—to earn their wings, so after graduation he grudgingly settled for a position at Malmstrom. He was hardly alone in his lack of enthusiasm: According to one study, less than one-third of missileers ever wanted that job. When Aaron hit on women in bars in Great Falls, he would sometimes say he was a wind 916856;1415676182;decimation;turbine technician." 916857;1415676217;asciilifeform;'He later confessed to chatting for most of a night with the hotel's cigar sales lady, who was asking questions "about physics and optics"�and thinking to himself: "Dude, this doesn't normally happen." Carey was stripped of his command in October' << lol, 'cigar lady' gets 'order of lenin.' 916858;1415676240;decimation;hehe 916859;1415676268;decimation;the mind boggles at all the similar stories that are stuffed in some usg filing cabinet 916860;1415676304;asciilifeform;all the 'mother jones' photos are from an ancient museum silo 916861;1415676311;asciilifeform;i saw them a hundred times. 916862;1415676313;cazalla;mod6, all posts get tweeted out automatically 916863;1415676315;asciilifeform;shame. 916864;1415676337;asciilifeform;what man, woman, child on planet hasn't seen the 'domino pizza' one ? 916865;1415676377;decimation;asciilifeform: you see to show you inside of a 'real site' would reveal 60 year old secrets 916866;1415676390;asciilifeform;lol, like the lock. 916867;1415676396;asciilifeform;(posted here, ~6 mo. ago) 916868;1415676425;asciilifeform;'sewer pipes in two Malmstrom launch facilities ruptured and a deep stew of human waste lingered at the bottom of the capsules. Despite the intolerable stench, the colonel in charge refused to take the units offline for repair. The men were instead ordered to defecate in a cardboard box lined with a plastic bag, but since nobody wanted to carry the box upstairs when it got full, the missileers began relieving t 916869;1415676425;asciilifeform;hemselves from a gangplank directly into the bottom of the capsule. This went on for four or five months.' 916870;1415676427;asciilifeform;mega-lol. 916871;1415676449;decimation;hehe yeah 916872;1415676461;decimation;of course, the reason: "A string of investigations concluded that the nuclear corps had lost its "zero defect" culture. In response, the Air Force launched a program to "sustain, modernize, and recapitalize its nuclear capability." What that meant in practice, Aaron says, was punishing the rank and file for past mistakes while the colonels swept the bigger problems under the rug." 916873;1415676479;decimation;this is generally standard usg management practice as far as I can tell 916874;1415676513;decimation;pretend things are swell, shoot any messengers that say otherwise, rotate to a 'diversity tour' before mistakes are obvious 916875;1415676536;decimation;I imagine this is pretty much how the soviet government worked too 916876;1415676582;mod6;cazalla: huh. ok. didn't see that one in the list. maybe i missed it? 916877;1415676692;cazalla;mod6, i just checked, it didn't go out, i'm guessing the auto feed thing didn't catch it after i changed it from sgornick's account to mine 916878;1415676916;ben_vulpes;this just in, the universe is a stochastic bitch: of all qntra posts, their tweetmachine failed to deliver the declaration of independence to the social media shitstew. 916879;1415677036;mod6;ben_vulpes: heheh 916880;1415677216;mircea_popescu; i saw them a hundred times. << the problem with the new, cheaper "media" 916881;1415677229;mircea_popescu;using stock photos only works if you're read by monkeys. 916882;1415677243;mircea_popescu;it's like a strategic decision that "people who read us aren't actually interested" 916883;1415677293;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=26-02-2014#532023 916884;1415677293;assbot;Logged on 26-02-2014 06:23:40; asciilifeform: channelling herr naggum: 'It is like going to a library full of books that took 50 man-years to produce each, inventing a way to cut down the costs to a few man-months per book by copying and randomly improving on other books, and then wondering why nobody thinks your library full of these cheaper books is an inspiration to future authors.' 916885;1415677440;mircea_popescu; I imagine this is pretty much how the soviet government worked too << not exactly. http://trilema.com/2013/regulation-for-our-lord-regulos/#footnote_0_51832 916886;1415677440;assbot;Regulation for our lord Regulos pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. 916887;1415677444;mircea_popescu;"samocritika" 916888;1415677475;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes clearly, sabotage. 916889;1415677492;mircea_popescu;by the way ben_vulpes mod6 you two plan to make some sort of monthly "state of the bitcoin" address to go with jurov's reports ? 916890;1415677640;mircea_popescu;"As the night proceeded, all of the Carter era military malaise became evident. The Air Force lied to local law enforcement and media about what was happening, couldn't communicate with first responders, failed to send an evacuation helicopter for a gravely injured person because an irrelevant piece of equipment wasn't available, and could not come to a decision about how to respond as the situation deteriorated. Also 916891;1415677645;mircea_popescu;on display was the heroism of individuals, in the Air Force and outside, who took matters into their own hands on the spot, rescued people, monitored the situation, evacuated nearby farms in the path of toxic clouds, and improvised as events required." 916892;1415677649;mircea_popescu;this is a pretty good quote. "oh noes, what would we do without government" ? 916893;1415677655;mircea_popescu;i dunno dude. a) not have the problems and b) solve them the same exact way they're currently solved anyway ? 916894;1415677715;decimation;right, once it is obvious that the emperor has no clothes, regular folks just take it upon themselves to solve problems 916895;1415677751;mircea_popescu;but with or without the emperor, clothed or not, it is still the regular folks. 916896;1415677763;mircea_popescu;this guy reading the code and that guy making the log work and so on and so forth 916897;1415677797;mircea_popescu;the pretense of "government" is nothing but exactly that : pretense. useful, to a very limited degree, for fucktards, like the kids that won't "learn" unless there's santa there with the notebook. 916898;1415677800;ben_vulpes;mircea_popescu: you underestimate the depth of the glue and the sharpness of the glass 916899;1415677805;mircea_popescu;as if that sort of kid ever learns anything anyway. 916900;1415677821;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes howdja mean. 916901;1415677843;ben_vulpes;but we'll bark a bit more on the mailing list and some qntra hound can round it up at whatever frequency they please. 916902;1415677850;ben_vulpes;!s glue glass 916903;1415677851;assbot;3 results for 'glue glass' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=glue+glass 916904;1415677904;mircea_popescu;i c 916905;1415678101;decimation;https://chnm.gmu.edu/revolution/d/367/ "1. The National Assembly decrees that hereditary nobility is forever abolished. Consequently, the titles of Prince, Duke, Count, Marquis, Viscount, Vidame, Baron, Knight, Lord, Squire, Noble, and all other similar titles shall neither be accepted by, nor bestowed upon, anyone whomsoever." 916906;1415678102;assbot;Abolition of Nobility 916907;1415678171;decimation;!up Vexual 916908;1415678425;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24391 @ 0.0006463 = 15.7639 BTC [-] {2} 916909;1415679086;Vexual;I heard a great story about regular people getting shit done, it was the 1930s, aeroplanes and radio were the latest shit 916910;1415679218;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4450 @ 0.000648 = 2.8836 BTC [+] 916911;1415679226;Vexual;there was an intercontinental comp, all the latest birds.. the one aluminum beast in the race got into trouble in a storm in australia 916912;1415679299;Vexual;i forget the rest, but they eneded up over some town that realised they were trying to land, and they broke into the town lighting and started doing morse code with the streetlights 916913;1415679337;Vexual;then they broke into the radio station and told everyone to take their cars and make a landing strip with their headlights, it was a big success 916914;1415679358;decimation;.... . .-.. .--. 916915;1415679420;decimation;http://jalopnik.com/5906006/how-one-australian-town-helped-a-doomed-plane-win-historys-greatest-air-race 916916;1415679421;assbot;How One Australian Town Helped A Doomed Plane Win History's Greatest Air Race 916917;1415679443;Vexual;I'm prolly way off 916918;1415679485;Vexual;I remember some other pilot hit the whisky hard and landed with half a gallon to spare 916919;1415679656;mod6;mircea_popescu: My plan for now is to just post a summary of the on-goings to the mailing list once per month. This seems like a good start. I can even coordinate with jurov to post the summary before the statement so he can link it in there. 916920;1415679662;Vexual;his navigator and wife was unhappy 916921;1415680056;ben_vulpes;might i note that while we have the lordship list Vexual and ninjashogun are some early "citizens" if i might be so bold 916922;1415680080;ben_vulpes;individuals nobody in l1's posrating, but that still get upped whenever they come by 916923;1415680092;assbot;Bagels7 +v failed; L1: 0, L2: 0 916924;1415680105;ben_vulpes;lol apropos 916925;1415680121;ben_vulpes;!up bagels7 916926;1415680137;ben_vulpes;bagels you got 0 l2 what you tryna do uppin yourself like that? 916927;1415680161;bagels7;Im really not sure 916928;1415680176;ben_vulpes;;;ident bagels7 916929;1415680177;gribble;Nick 'bagels7', with hostmask 'bagels7!bagels7@modemcable232.144-161-184.mc.videotron.ca', is identified as user 'Bagels7', with GPG key id 82C85EDC160BB29F, key fingerprint ACE4936BDD6EBB8338F5282E82C85EDC160BB29F, and bitcoin address None 916930;1415680194;ben_vulpes;!up Vexual 916931;1415680263;ben_vulpes;kakobrekla: that's abuse of your power 916932;1415680291;ben_vulpes;he's not even noisy these days 916933;1415680305;Vexual;it's a use 916934;1415680318;ben_vulpes;owait misread the + for a - 916935;1415680332;mircea_popescu;that's an abuse of your reading! 916936;1415680338;Vexual;it's a use 916937;1415680343;ben_vulpes;stop abusing me! 916938;1415680344;mircea_popescu;bagels7 you xanthyos' friend ? 916939;1415680392;Vexual;niki minaj does have a new track tho... hmm 916940;1415680412;bagels7;yes mircea_popescu 916941;1415680431;ben_vulpes;Vexual: after all i've done for you... 916942;1415680441;ben_vulpes;(i can't resist - what is it?!) 916943;1415680469;Vexual;your newfound love of lisp 916944;1415680483;ben_vulpes;no no the nikki 916945;1415680496;ben_vulpes;i have just enough beer for 1 more nikki before i bounce 916946;1415680652;Vexual;she might have been reading the logs 916947;1415680674;*;asciilifeform fell into sin; for the first time in half a decade, cracked a copy protection gizmo 916948;1415680688;*;asciilifeform grunted for ~100 hours on it, very gnarly boobytrap, defused. 916949;1415680795;ben_vulpes;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BU769XX_dIQ 916950;1415680796;assbot;Nicki Minaj - Only (Lyric) ft. Drake, Lil Wayne, Chris Brown - YouTube 916951;1415680807;ben_vulpes;^^ for the third reich afficionados 916952;1415680858;asciilifeform;nein nein nein nein nein. 916953;1415680863;*;asciilifeform not impressed 916954;1415680872;Vexual;lol 916955;1415680917;ben_vulpes;it's the best modern america can do 916956;1415681306;Vexual;.... . .-.. .--. 916957;1415681624;Vexual;jurov is a title in this new state? 916958;1415681678;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes (isambard k. brunel!) - saw the 'github.' might be worth making a note on therealbitcoin.org re: the 'github' not being authoritative. 916959;1415681683;asciilifeform;(can you see why important?) 916960;1415681719;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22978 @ 0.000648 = 14.8897 BTC [+] 916961;1415681960;Vexual;is it because the rigged snakes and ladders borard i send as tribut eisn't on it? 916962;1415682588;pete_dushenski;ahoy 916963;1415682683;pete_dushenski;!up Vexual 916964;1415682712;Vexual;you planning to inject some bc into the australian economy pete_dushenski? 916965;1415682729;pete_dushenski;fiat for sure 916966;1415682740;pete_dushenski;btc is tbd 916967;1415682847;Vexual;good timing 916968;1415682890;Vexual;dies gribble do fiat pairs? 916969;1415683023;Vexual;;;google 1 aud in usd 916970;1415683024;gribble;XE: (AUD/USD) Australian Dollar to US Dollar Rate: ; XE.com - AUD/USD Chart: ; XE: (USD/AUD) US Dollar to Australian Dollar Rate: 916971;1415683032;Vexual;thanks 916972;1415683300;Vexual;did you buy any plastic money yet pete_dushenski? they don't take greenback here 916973;1415683323;pete_dushenski;cad is plastic too yknow 916974;1415683341;joecool;it smells of maple syrup too 916975;1415683450;pete_dushenski;and beavers 916976;1415683493;Vexual;you'll get a better rate at home 916977;1415683531;pete_dushenski;oh most definitely 916978;1415683539;pete_dushenski;not my first overseas rodeo ;) 916979;1415683549;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 39695 @ 0.00064443 = 25.5806 BTC [-] 916980;1415683581;*;joecool actually wasn't kidding 916981;1415683609;pete_dushenski;lol how do you figure joecool ? 916982;1415683616;pete_dushenski;not like anyone here uses cash anyways 916983;1415683645;pete_dushenski;debit, credit, etc is 95% of cad transactions 916984;1415683651;joecool;http://www.npr.org/blogs/thetwo-way/2013/05/28/186890578/does-canadas-100-bill-smell-like-maple-syrup-many-say-so < 916985;1415683651;assbot;Does Canada's $100 Bill Smell Like Maple Syrup? Many Say So : The Two-Way : NPR 916986;1415683675;Vexual;our money smells like chanel 5 916987;1415683705;joecool;pete_dushenski: i used it until i had interac (debit), a lot of places will not do credit 916988;1415683752;pete_dushenski;which part of canada was that in? 916989;1415683762;joecool;ontario 916990;1415683767;joecool;GTA 916991;1415683789;pete_dushenski;right. in ontario for sure 916992;1415683806;pete_dushenski;credit is widely used in alberta: hot economy, bezzlemania 916993;1415683821;pete_dushenski;only bubble tea shops are debit/cash 916994;1415683857;joecool;yeah i don't recall having much issue in the maritimes this summer, i was fine in montreal too 916995;1415683860;pete_dushenski;ontario is also a far larger province so there's a much wider range of businesses 916996;1415683887;pete_dushenski;alberta is mostly franchises, sorta the only thing that can keep up with the insane horizontal expansion of cities 916997;1415683921;pete_dushenski;montreal definitely likes its cash 916998;1415683930;Vexual;who doesnt? 916999;1415683963;pete_dushenski;i was in montreal last weekend and i gotta say it's downright enjoyable to be in a city with a proper mafia 917000;1415683976;pete_dushenski;the cops are nowhere near as uppity and self-important 917001;1415683994;joecool;heh, i'll head back there this winter sometime, fun city 917002;1415683994;pete_dushenski;it probably helps that the cops in mtl drive dodge caravans 917003;1415684007;pete_dushenski;the least threatening mode of transport since the segway 917004;1415684025;pete_dushenski;joecool one of my favs as well 917005;1415684037;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 42000 @ 0.00064776 = 27.2059 BTC [+] 917006;1415684055;pete_dushenski;what takes you there? 917007;1415684076;joecool;a longtime friend of mine lives there 917008;1415684146;pete_dushenski;a nice 917009;1415684184;pete_dushenski;i'd definitely recommend checking out the anthropological museum if you haven't already 917010;1415684204;Vexual;is montreal qbec? 917011;1415684209;joecool;yes 917012;1415684209;pete_dushenski;plus this polish restaurant in the old town with the most fantastic borscht 917013;1415684212;pete_dushenski;Vexual mhm 917014;1415684229;pete_dushenski;lemme find the name of that restaurant... 917015;1415684258;pete_dushenski;http://www.stashcafe.com 917016;1415684258;assbot;Montreal Restaurant - Polish Food - Stash Cafe 917017;1415684311;pete_dushenski;the canard roti was most excellent as well 917018;1415684328;pete_dushenski;it was an entire half bird! 917019;1415684330;Vexual;one might arrive by horse drawn cart? 917020;1415684350;pete_dushenski;lol actually yes 917021;1415684402;pete_dushenski;saifedean:lol, i think i saw this on pete's blog before... << heh the guy's gone deeper into the archives that i'd thought. i like! 917022;1415684403;Vexual;bitchin 917023;1415684451;Vexual;whats to drink?, theres no list 917024;1415684453;pete_dushenski;mircea_popescu: saifedean for my own curiosity, google that string (no quotes) see what pops up ? << this is incidentally exactly why we should s/google/duckduckgo already 917025;1415684476;pete_dushenski;Vexual rotating list i guess 917026;1415684489;pete_dushenski;byob is pretty common in mtl though 917027;1415684490;Vexual;ill have the soup 917028;1415684501;pete_dushenski;only just starting to see this in alberta 917029;1415684565;pete_dushenski;mircea_popescu: turns out, it can keep the sane man about three years. << i lasted 3 months. maybe coulda gone longer? 917030;1415684586;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7000 @ 0.00064443 = 4.511 BTC [-] 917031;1415684643;xanthyos;;;gettrust bagels7 917032;1415684643;gribble;Currently authenticated from hostmask bagels7!bagels7@modemcable232.144-161-184.mc.videotron.ca. Trust relationship from user xanthyos to user bagels7: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=xanthyos&dest=bagels7 | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=bagels7 | Rated since: never 917033;1415684649;xanthyos;!up bagels7 917034;1415684651;xanthyos;omg 917035;1415684656;xanthyos;sophie bagelz in teh wot! 917036;1415684806;xanthyos;;;rate bagels7 1 known on efnet and tinychat 5 years. friendly, courteous canadian. average- to poor-skilled internet poker player. 917037;1415684807;gribble;Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user bagels7 has been recorded. 917038;1415684835;pete_dushenski;punkbot deed http://pastebin.com/41hUkcLM 917039;1415684836;assbot;-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA512 14-day Eviction Notice - Pastebin.com 917040;1415684836;punkbot;pete_dushenski: Queued 1 valid deed for next bundle. 917041;1415684859;pete_dushenski;^an experiment ;D 917042;1415684878;xanthyos;!up vexual 917043;1415684887;pete_dushenski;bagels7 is canadian eh? 917044;1415684897;xanthyos;montreal 917045;1415684910;Vexual;is sophie hot xanthyos? 917046;1415684912;pete_dushenski;lol what a coincidence! 917047;1415684944;Vexual;or does she just ug up tinychat? 917048;1415684955;xanthyos;!down Vexual 917049;1415685005;pete_dushenski;lol 917050;1415685027;pete_dushenski;don't mess with xanthyos' girl 917051;1415685062;xanthyos;just a friend 917052;1415685091;pete_dushenski;cool 917053;1415685244;xanthyos;!up vexual 917054;1415685263;Vexual;i was joking how tinychat isn't a thing 917055;1415685335;Vexual;unlees youre 15 917056;1415685368;pete_dushenski;saifedean:my idea is to prepare for the future of the triumphant return of hard money, low-time preference, and civilization, and to profit from it by doing good food properly, in a beautiful setting where you can relax around a big grill's fire and enjoy your meal like a civilized human << this does sound rather splendid. 917057;1415685400;pete_dushenski;good food never goes out of fashion, even if it might occupy a smaller piece of the pie in bezzletimes 917058;1415685434;Vexual;theres really nothing better to spend money on than food 917059;1415685449;pete_dushenski;saifedean: Vancouver is another possibility... << try affording to live there. bon chance! 917060;1415685530;pete_dushenski;vancouver is the worst major city, in essentially every regard, and all of which stem from a hyperbezzle housing market, in canada... after toronto. 917061;1415685542;mircea_popescu;pete_dushenski it's bonne chance you kno 917062;1415685591;pete_dushenski;so it is! 917063;1415685613;pete_dushenski;saifedean: they are the absolute world champions, along with the south africans << for steaks, alberta is up there. 917064;1415685635;punkbot;Bundled 1 deed | http://deeds.bitcoin-assets.com/b/1JHpQ1AS 917065;1415685639;pete_dushenski;as long as you avoid the hipster derps with their grass-fed sous vide nonsense 917066;1415685657;pete_dushenski;they try so hard, and fail so large 917067;1415685694;mircea_popescu;ahahaha eviction notice deed ? 917068;1415685695;mircea_popescu;win. 917069;1415685746;Vexual;pete_dushenski: are you adverse to shellfish like lobster? 917070;1415685766;pete_dushenski;mircea_popescu something different eh? 917071;1415685807;pete_dushenski;Vexual ya, not much for shellfish, only started eating fish in the last 2 years. 917072;1415685820;mircea_popescu;punkman maybe add a "total deeds in total bundles" thing between the address and your contact ? 917073;1415685851;mircea_popescu;http://deeds.bitcoin-assets.com/trusted <<< tho i gotta say this is pretty sweet. 917074;1415685852;assbot;Trusted keys | #bitcoin-assets deed registry 917075;1415685911;mircea_popescu;could it be sortable by columns ? (most browsers support this afaik, needs a table class="datadisplay sortable") 917076;1415685926;Vexual;consider lobster, it's not really a shellfish 917077;1415685971;mircea_popescu;also, total trust prolly shouldn't be emphasized. 917078;1415685986;Vexual;yay 917079;1415686081;pete_dushenski;reading the logs about paleo, black coffee etc, the health-related upsides of this cult are readily apparent. 917080;1415686092;pete_dushenski;this should be part of our marketing hook 917081;1415686140;pete_dushenski;it's not enough to just pretend to be all-powerful and all-conquering and then execute 917082;1415686194;Vexual;no, one should always stop off for lunch somewhere nice on the journey 917083;1415686226;pete_dushenski;saifedean: if you eliminate grains, seeds and sugars, you effectively eliminate the possibility of developing most modern diseases, including diabetes, cancer, alzheimer's, obesity, and so on << aren't nuts part of paleo ? 917084;1415686277;*;pete_dushenski researching which "nuts" are actually seeds. can't remember 917085;1415686330;pete_dushenski;" 'nuts' that aren’t include Brazil nuts, Cashews, Walnuts, Coconuts, Macadamia nuts, Peanuts, Tom Cruise, and Pistachios" 917086;1415686333;Vexual;theres no good reasoning to a paleo diet, it's no bread no pasta no fun 917087;1415686346;asciilifeform;paleo << ahahaha. 917088;1415686364;pete_dushenski;oh, plus almonds 917089;1415686390;*;asciilifeform waits for paleobitcoin where we calculate the way the gods meant us to, with little calculi - pebbles. 917090;1415686438;cazalla;pete_dushenski, i don't know about cashews, there is a shortage didya know? 917091;1415686463;Vexual;really? 917092;1415686475;cazalla;Vexual, yeah big cashew shortage 917093;1415686482;Vexual;i got more cashews than chicken last night 917094;1415686503;pete_dushenski;bigger chicken shortage 917095;1415686509;pete_dushenski;it's all relative 917096;1415686520;Vexual;gotta prepare them properly cashews 917097;1415686543;asciilifeform;who remembers the zoologist who tried, for years, to live on the chimps' fruits, and ended with nothing but very ill digestion? 917098;1415686584;pete_dushenski;jane goodall? 917099;1415686662;pete_dushenski;cazalla: https://www.quantcast.com/qntra.net qntra continues to lose traffic, it's dead << chin up soldier! 917100;1415686663;assbot; Qntra.net Traffic and Demographic Statistics by Quantcast 917101;1415686717;Vexual;satoshi expose will fix that 917102;1415686769;Vexual;or you get foot in mouth 917103;1415686794;*;asciilifeform goes off for paleosleep 917104;1415686798;Vexual;or some variation of loose stool 917105;1415686812;*;asciilifeform or no, he won't, because likes box spring, rather than pit of own shit 917106;1415686823;Vexual;don't chew the pillow; it's cotton 917107;1415686858;assbot;Last 4 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/0WJA1GQ.txt ) 917108;1415686858;BingoBoingo;!b 4 917109;1415686861;*;asciilifeform reminds listeners still tuned in that 'reversed stupidity is not intelligence.' 917110;1415686888;asciilifeform;avoiding mickey-d and other fine recyclable edibles does not lead to immortality. cheers. 917111;1415686998;pete_dushenski;cheers asciilifeform 917112;1415687047;pete_dushenski;and by extension of the same point, pure-mcd's diet does not lead to immediate death 917113;1415687068;pete_dushenski;these mortal coils being made out of some resilient shit 917114;1415688064;punkbot;Confirmed bundle 1JHpQ1ASmtNXg39tvGghDjyQE4r3n5cVYk | http://deeds.bitcoin-assets.com/b/1JHpQ1AS 917115;1415688875;pete_dushenski;http://foxtrotalpha.jalopnik.com/amazing-photos-of-chinas-newest-stealth-jet-show-growin-1657003826 917116;1415688875;assbot;AMAZING COMPANY! 917117;1415688876;assbot;Amazing Photos Of China's Newest Stealth Jet Show Growing Air Might 917118;1415689382;pete_dushenski;!up Vexual 917119;1415689409;Vexual;thanks, that cargo plane look sexy 917120;1415689451;pete_dushenski;heh ya. 917121;1415689465;pete_dushenski;china's air force has got it going on 917122;1415689486;Vexual;they don't fuck about thats for sure 917123;1415689536;pete_dushenski;ben_vulpes: ^^ for the third reich afficionados << damn. wayne still has it! 917124;1415689548;Vexual;even the awac version looks good like tey designed both at once 917125;1415689605;Vexual;the tail missile holds the radar 917126;1415689676;Vexual;i dont hink anything so useful ever looked so good 917127;1415689736;mats_cd03;twin engine f35 917128;1415689743;Vexual;meh 917129;1415689748;mats_cd03;oh god thats rich 917130;1415689768;Vexual;they dont even work yet 917131;1415689884;Vexual;do yo uthink that awac plane is pretend? 917132;1415689923;Vexual;nope , it needs a big arse runway 917133;1415689980;Vexual;ok f35s are pretty cool 917134;1415690234;mats_cd03;i doubt any of it is fake hardware 917135;1415690252;Vexual;f35 looks way cooler than chinese fighters 917136;1415690275;mats_cd03;it all exists already and its not like dod affiliates have good security 917137;1415690406;mats_cd03;thank usg taxpayers for latest advances in cn, ru aircraft design 917138;1415690502;Vexual;well a mig would prolly shoot the shit outta that thing today 917139;1415690638;mats_cd03;;;ticker 917140;1415690639;gribble;Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 370.58, Best ask: 371.0, Bid-ask spread: 0.42000, Last trade: 370.58, 24 hour volume: 19077.46038459, 24 hour low: 360.0, 24 hour high: 377.77, 24 hour vwap: 370.039710474 917141;1415690646;Vexual;pilots fly planes 917142;1415690657;mats_cd03;go on 917143;1415690687;Vexual;i dunno i heard some people are dissapointed with f35s 917144;1415690729;mats_cd03;they are known to suck 917145;1415690750;mats_cd03;aircraft design by committee usually does 917146;1415690808;Vexual;leaving an fa-18 can't be easy 917147;1415690941;Vexual;those fucker lready go straight up 917148;1415691162;mats_cd03;http://www.syverson.org/entropist-final.pdf 917149;1415691689;mats_cd03;footnote 7 is great 917150;1415692779;mircea_popescu; who remembers the zoologist who tried, for years, to live on the chimps' fruits, and ended with nothing but very ill digestion? << was this one of the lefty us "anthropologists" that keep going to sleep with apes in africa ? 917151;1415694138;mircea_popescu;!up saifedean 917152;1415694145;mircea_popescu;you really gotta get into the wot 917153;1415694179;saifedean;i do, and you really gotta get paleo :) 917154;1415694216;saifedean;it's just that computer literacy, wot, irc gpg, and all that is just too much to process at the same time 917155;1415694268;saifedean;until last week i spent my life using my computer like i use my washing machine, just getting my dirty deeds done as quickly as possible 917156;1415694651;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 46200 @ 0.00064728 = 29.9043 BTC [+] 917157;1415694867;mircea_popescu;"Dovecot's author takes pride in secure design and implementation. A reward of EUR 1,000 (approximately $1,310 USD, �840 GBP, 130000 Yen as of May 2013) has been announced for finding any remotely exploitable security flaw." 917158;1415694868;mircea_popescu;o.O 917159;1415694871;mircea_popescu;!up saifedean 917160;1415694891;saifedean;thanks for the voice, mp! 917161;1415694943;mircea_popescu;ye 917162;1415694995;saifedean;mp: " eh get out with the paleo stuff. what do you do for cake ?" <<< you stop being a teenage girl about it and enjoy life without these sugar highs and their crashes. Getting your energy from animal fats makes you constantly alert and with high energy reserves, not dependent on getting your next sugar kick to do anything, and not constantly crashing. 917163;1415695043;mircea_popescu;but... i am neither ? 917164;1415695052;saifedean;"you two are aware that if this were the normal about 90% of urban population would die off through simple starvation within the decade, yes ?" how very publicly spirited of you, sacrificing your own health so you can eat in a way that lets peasants survive in giant urban hell-holes! 917165;1415695066;mircea_popescu;i dun care either way lol 917166;1415695078;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 61000 @ 0.00064863 = 39.5664 BTC [+] {3} 917167;1415695204;saifedean;the point from looking at evolution is not to mimic the life of ancient humans, it is to figure out what are the things that make our lives better and what makes it worse. humans love to dip in streams, seas and rivers, and washing copies that. humans only recently developed condoms, and sex in condoms does definitively suck. having unwanted kids sucks more, so you do have to don one, but you would still rather not. 917168;1415695224;mircea_popescu;it doesn't suck, get out. 917169;1415695267;cazalla;saifedean, fuck yeah paleo, do you slaughter your animals with your barehands or what? 917170;1415695291;*;cazalla ripped the head off a rabbit and fried it in butter with rosemary for dinner.. PALEO! 917171;1415695322;mircea_popescu;cazalla you actually eat the brain ? 917172;1415695349;cazalla;no, that goes into compost 917173;1415695386;cazalla;i've read something about some rabbit brain disease that is not destroyed by cooking 917174;1415695386;saifedean;the brain is the best part! 917175;1415695411;cazalla;saifedean, i'll eat the kidneys/liver sometimes but compost the rest 917176;1415695455;saifedean;yeah i was kidding, ive rarely had rabbits and never had its brain, but i do love sheep brains, and all gizzards 917177;1415695474;mircea_popescu;well, all nervous accumulates prions, but i dunno what the situation is for rabbit 917178;1415695491;mircea_popescu;imbeciles doing "scientific" cattle raising in europe have sadly made oxtail soup too risky 917179;1415695499;mircea_popescu;a fie upon their early graves! 917180;1415695617;saifedean;lots of good research on the effect of grains on human brains... http://www.amazon.com/Grain-Brain-Surprising-Sugar-Your-Killers/dp/031623480X 917181;1415695618;assbot;Grain Brain: The Surprising Truth about Wheat, Carbs, and Sugar--Your Brain's Silent Killers: David Perlmutter, Kristin Loberg: 9780316234801: Amazon.com: Books 917182;1415695658;mircea_popescu;yeah yeah, quod me nutrit 917183;1415695707;saifedean;really, before you dismiss paleo, just try eliminating grains from your body for 2 weeks and see what it does to you. every single person i know who's done it has changed their life entirely. 917184;1415695719;saifedean;but anyways, enough diet preaching, 917185;1415695730;mircea_popescu;im not dismissing it per se 917186;1415695794;cazalla;saifedean, can i drink alcohol on paleo? 917187;1415695826;saifedean;the less sugary, the better, so i think vodka is the least bad 917188;1415695863;saifedean;obviously, you can do whatever you want, and you can always have things in moderation and your body will be fine. the problem is when you have things in excess, when they become a regular part of your diet, and that is true for alcohol as well as grains 917189;1415695878;mircea_popescu;well so then. 917190;1415695952;saifedean;i'm 34 and in better shape than i ever was, much fitter and stronger than when i was 18. i play football with my university's varsity team, the fittest 18-22 year olds in my college and i'm in better shape than most of them. when i was their age, i was nowhere near fit enough to get into a varsity team, 15 years later, with paleo, i am! 917191;1415695990;mircea_popescu;you should be on tv. 917192;1415696024;saifedean;lol, i had my own tv show when i was in college... 917193;1415696054;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8400 @ 0.0006491 = 5.4524 BTC [+] 917194;1415696067;saifedean;a young people channel's debate show, it was horrific, but fortunately predates youtube and so no evidence of it remains 917195;1415696077;mircea_popescu;luckly you 917196;1415696100;cazalla;i've been on tv too but not my own show heh 917197;1415696113;cazalla;actually, twice 917198;1415696173;punkman;https://wwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww.bitnik.org/r/ 917199;1415696174;assbot;!Mediengruppe Bitnik | Random Darknet Shopper 917200;1415696315;mircea_popescu;is this like the new tor ? 917201;1415696322;mircea_popescu;"nobody will think of wwwwww" ? 917202;1415696481;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 49525 @ 0.00065005 = 32.1937 BTC [+] {2} 917203;1415696510;punkman;http://www.forbes.com/sites/jeffbercovici/2014/08/14/what-are-we-actually-rating-when-we-rate-other-people/ 917204;1415696510;assbot;Uber's Ratings Terrorize Drivers And Trick Riders. Why Not Fix Them? - Forbes 917205;1415696564;punkman;"At the end of the trip, the driver turned around and begged my fiancee to give him five stars, explaining that he was one bad review away from being deactivated and losing his access to the platform. He wouldn’t let us out of the cab until she promised to do so" 917206;1415696681;mircea_popescu;ugh 917207;1415696705;punkman;yep 917208;1415696719;cazalla;anyway this is me on tv, ya might need to turn the sound up to hear and look at the middle of the tv screen to see skype call pop up https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wuAQtXNQDLo 917209;1415696719;assbot;i'm on TV, oh shiz, first cops, now this, imma be a star son! - YouTube 917210;1415696741;cazalla;guy on right did a toshiba laptop scam tv pitch and i pranked him over and over on live tv 917211;1415696753;cazalla;poor cunt didn't know what to do 917212;1415697884;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28268 @ 0.00065039 = 18.3852 BTC [+] {2} 917213;1415698322;mircea_popescu;lol 917214;1415700007;cazalla;http://www.gamesindustry.biz/articles/2014-11-07-bungie-exec-swatted first swatting i've seen that involved a fkn helicopter lol 917215;1415700007;assbot;Bungie exec swatted | GamesIndustry.biz 917216;1415700108;mircea_popescu;heh 917217;1415700164;mircea_popescu;bet you it's a "feminist" 917218;1415700325;BingoBoingo;The problem is neither the caller, nor the swatted person. The problem is the proliferation of swat teams 917219;1415702058;cazalla;;;isitdown qntra.net 917220;1415702063;gribble;qntra.net is up 917221;1415703008;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11258 @ 0.00064701 = 7.284 BTC [-] 917222;1415703862;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18050 @ 0.00065163 = 11.7619 BTC [+] {2} 917223;1415706241;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21550 @ 0.00065193 = 14.0491 BTC [+] 917224;1415706729;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15850 @ 0.00065136 = 10.3241 BTC [-] 917225;1415707791;mircea_popescu;that groupon thing is such a scandalous failure. 917226;1415707818;mircea_popescu;i mean... it claimed to be worth money. then it turned out the entire thing was fraudulent, through and through. nobody got put away, of course, because this is the us and "tough on crime" maryjane 917227;1415707846;mircea_popescu;so on they trudge, unable to deliver any value to anyone, supposedly worth however many bezzelions. 917228;1415707888;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11103 @ 0.00064997 = 7.2166 BTC [-] 917229;1415708166;mircea_popescu;;;later tell richih listen, your blog is down. there's no point sending broadcasts if your thing can't take the traffic. 917230;1415708166;gribble;The operation succeeded. 917231;1415708177;mircea_popescu;meh, guy's probably not in any relevant channel anyway huh. 917232;1415708440;mircea_popescu;http://trilema.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/11/freederp.png 917233;1415709026;mircea_popescu;!up _flow_ 917234;1415711121;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26900 @ 0.00065144 = 17.5237 BTC [+] {2} 917235;1415714050;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30000 @ 0.00064997 = 19.4991 BTC [-] 917236;1415714781;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25904 @ 0.00064836 = 16.7951 BTC [-] {3} 917237;1415715452;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14935 @ 0.0006466 = 9.657 BTC [-] 917238;1415715879;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30650 @ 0.00064602 = 19.8005 BTC [-] {2} 917239;1415716037;BingoBoingo;https://pay.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/2lypd1/peter_todd_on_changetip_not_a_real_bitcoin_app/clzd6yb << Gavin Speaks 917240;1415716038;assbot;gavinandresen comments on Peter Todd on changetip. Not a real Bitcoin app. Could be done in same way by PayPal 917241;1415716405;BingoBoingo;http://dish.andrewsullivan.com/2014/11/10/the-sjws-now-get-to-police-speech-on-twitter/ 917242;1415716406;assbot;The SJWs Now Get To Police Speech On Twitter « The Dish 917243;1415717543;danielpbarron;great; probably gonna get my account suspended 917244;1415717933;BingoBoingo;Well, I've seen some become unsuspended 917245;1415717979;danielpbarron;my account is fairly old; hopefully thst gives me some leeway in woman hating 917246;1415718230;asciilifeform;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PXWJrpA8FnE 917247;1415718230;assbot;Russian military NASTY SUPPRISE in a box for US military - YouTube 917248;1415718244;asciilifeform;^ science fiction, but not quite. 917249;1415718551;Duffer1;http://io9.com/hbo-will-make-asimovs-foundation-with-interstellars-jon-1657018306 917250;1415718551;assbot;HBO Will Make Asimov's Foundation With Interstellar's Jonathan Nolan 917251;1415718563;*;BingoBoingo kind of expected the punchline to be quadrocopter actually delivered fresh fruit 917252;1415718573;asciilifeform;very fresh fruit. 917253;1415718719;asciilifeform;note the diesel-genset tether in the last one 917254;1415718799;asciilifeform;iirc we did that one right here. 917255;1415718844;asciilifeform;(it is hands-down the most practical 'wunderwaffen' shown in the film.) 917256;1415718970;mike_c;;;isup trilema.com 917257;1415718971;gribble;trilema.com is up 917258;1415718982;mike_c;hm. not from here. 917259;1415719699;asciilifeform;naturally, the gigantic chopper is a monumentally-unimaginative idea. 917260;1415719714;asciilifeform;instead, truck ought to contain 1000+ little choppers. 917261;1415719720;asciilifeform;with thermite limpets. 917262;1415719739;asciilifeform;it takes, what, 100g to perforate an airplane? 917263;1415719756;asciilifeform;let them fly to and weld onto the victims at night, quietly and with no fanfare. 917264;1415719784;asciilifeform;or in the day, and let the idiots shoot one another with own small arms while trying to bag some. 917265;1415719838;asciilifeform;the large chopper is really more like something the americans would use. 917266;1415719842;BingoBoingo;Tiny chopper is definitely the more interesting concept 917267;1415719853;asciilifeform;'asymmetric', to use the american term. 917268;1415720059;BingoBoingo;Well the benefit of many small choppers is that the people releasing them may escape long enough to die in the name of brining the enemy other pain 917269;1415720719;BingoBoingo;http://scholarlyoa.com/2014/10/09/ridiculous-oa-journal-launches-with-ridiculous-title/ 917270;1415720720;assbot;Ridiculous OA Journal Launches with Ridiculous Title | Scholarly Open Access 917271;1415722894;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 37754 @ 0.00064534 = 24.3642 BTC [-] {3} 917272;1415723382;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14241 @ 0.00064652 = 9.2071 BTC [+] 917273;1415724358;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 61550 @ 0.00064447 = 39.6671 BTC [-] {3} 917274;1415724846;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29903 @ 0.00065093 = 19.4648 BTC [+] {2} 917275;1415730237;ben_vulpes;asciilifeform: "githug" yes, i understand the weaknesses, and it deserves a callout 917276;1415730260;ben_vulpes;i weary of guarding fools from themselves already 917277;1415730353;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: this is not about fools; it's about something that is legitimately counter-intuitive to 'civilians' - who usually assume, correctly, that a www repo is authoritative. 917278;1415730409;ben_vulpes;civilians, right. 917279;1415730882;*;thestringpuller gives ben_vulpes a githug 917280;1415731002;*;ben_vulpes trudges back into the wordpress mines 917281;1415731232;thestringpuller;why are you in wordpress mines? 917282;1415731297;ben_vulpes;clients. 917283;1415731577;ben_vulpes;i am making an http redirect 917284;1415731593;ben_vulpes;because there are mysterious 'stage' strings prepended to some posts 917285;1415731599;ben_vulpes;some posts urls* 917286;1415731610;ben_vulpes;and nobody knows the history of why this whoopie is this way 917287;1415731626;ben_vulpes;and we don't have access to the original boxen 917288;1415731632;ben_vulpes;cruft cruft cruft it up 917289;1415731636;ben_vulpes;try not to fuck it up! 917290;1415731641;ben_vulpes;merrily merrily merrily merrily 917291;1415731654;ben_vulpes;peoples use of computers makes me want to kill myself 917292;1415731673;TomServo;BingoBoingo: http://imgur.com/a/cpjta Some wasted space on the right side, recent posts box ends up underneath the current stories. 917293;1415731674;assbot; imgur: the simple image sharer 917294;1415731708;TomServo;Let me know if you want to see landscape mode. 917295;1415731777;thestringpuller;lol mobile qntra 917296;1415731782;thestringpuller;you can still read it 917297;1415731783;thestringpuller;:P 917298;1415731795;thestringpuller;ben_vulpes: those clients sound special. 917299;1415732166;xanthyos;!up bagels7 917300;1415732817;ben_vulpes;;;ident bagels7 917301;1415732817;gribble;Nick 'bagels7', with hostmask 'bagels7!bagels7@modemcable232.144-161-184.mc.videotron.ca', is not identified. 917302;1415733750;jurov;https://scontent-b-ams.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xpf1/t31.0-8/10750243_802192643172549_2785477057758423743_o.jpg 917303;1415733771;jurov;asciilifeform: want some? ^^ 917304;1415734237;thestringpuller;my hypothesis is that asciilifeform is part robot 917305;1415734425;jurov;thestringpuller you haven't met him. 917306;1415734450;jurov;i have very hard time imagining a robot so... er... a bit pudgy? 917307;1415734842;thestringpuller;who da fuck is peter todd? 917308;1415734850;thestringpuller;and why is twitter telling me to follwo him 917309;1415735989;dignork;TomServo | BingoBoingo: http://imgur.com/a/cpjta Some wasted space on the right side << I suggest adding this to style.css http://dpaste.com/385MY23 917310;1415735989;assbot; imgur: the simple image sharer 917311;1415735990;assbot;dpaste: 385MY23 917312;1415736133;mike_c;min-width of 800px? that would make it side-scroll, no? 917313;1415736175;dignork;i tried with resizing browser on pc, left menu drops to bottom, but the article stretches to full width 917314;1415736192;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 69074 @ 0.0006394 = 44.1659 BTC [-] {3} 917315;1415736233;mike_c;heh, that's because there is a bug 917316;1415736243;mike_c;you made it "min-width: 800 px", which is nothing 917317;1415736254;mike_c;"min-width: 800px" would make it side-scroll 917318;1415736562;dignork;a, lol, i see what you mean, it's a typo in original css, full text then: http://dpaste.com/0D7MGFD 917319;1415736563;assbot;dpaste: 0D7MGFD 917320;1415736664;asciilifeform;jurov: underpants << lol 917321;1415736792;mircea_popescu;;;later tell pete_dushenski lol@ the derp on your blog. "i am ignorant, justify the world to me! because the stupid but lazy have inherited the earth at some point while nobody was paying attention and now that's how it works!!11" 917322;1415736793;gribble;The operation succeeded. 917323;1415736805;mircea_popescu;fucking alt-realities these people live in. 917324;1415736984;asciilifeform;/me fat robot << in america, no other kind of robot! 917325;1415737273;mircea_popescu;assbot: gavinandresen comments on Peter Todd on changetip. Not a real Bitcoin app. Could be done in same way by PayPal << todd has a point 917326;1415737338;mircea_popescu;danielpbarron: great; probably gonna get my account suspended <<< twitter is not exactly a good venue anyway. why would one wish to maintain a lifeline with the weirdo cult of america ? 917327;1415737352;mircea_popescu;let them have their fun on their own and they wonder why they're hungry. 917328;1415737432;mircea_popescu;"Thanks for being a class act, Gavin." hahaha srsly ? 917329;1415737452;mircea_popescu;team-libtard. "let's thank ourselves for being stupid, it's how they do it on the special olympics too! that's how you win!" 917330;1415737621;thestringpuller;Huxely strikes again. 917331;1415737630;mircea_popescu;*: ben_vulpes trudges back into the wordpress mines <<< wait wut ? why ? 917332;1415737941;asciilifeform;http://pastebin.com/yqJfwDkY << these people spam 'pastebin' now. 917333;1415737941;assbot;#TakeDownRSD - Pastebin.com 917334;1415738066;mircea_popescu;UPDATE tril_posts SET `wp_content` = REPLACE (`post_content`, 'twitter.com', 'trilema.com') WHERE `post_content` LIKE '%twitter.com%' 917335;1415738066;mircea_popescu;315 rows affected. (Query took 1.1584 sec) 917336;1415738069;mircea_popescu;should have done it long ago. 917337;1415738076;asciilifeform;http://pastebin.com/5WCAcY6X << yet more? asking for spam? 917338;1415738077;assbot;>>> Real Social Dynamics <<< - Pastebin.com 917339;1415738387;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform i duin get it ? 917340;1415738412;asciilifeform;the 'strangler' fellow who was thrown out of australia 917341;1415738429;mircea_popescu;"On behalf of myself and my peers, I am lodging a formal complaint regarding your provision of financial services to Real Social Dynamics�specifically Real Social Dynamic's co-owner Julien Blanc (pseudonym)�on the grounds that their employees, business practices and instructional literature promote violence against women, sexual harassment, rape and racism." 917342;1415738431;mircea_popescu;bnwahaha 917343;1415738436;mircea_popescu;wait, this is how it works ? 917344;1415738466;mircea_popescu;im pretty sure the license to provide services of any kind includes the obligation to provide them universally. 917345;1415738487;mircea_popescu;so in teh bitcoin future, a financial services firm is not allowed to be down, for anyone and for any reason, or else risks losing its license. 917346;1415738508;thestringpuller;mircea_popescu: but what about the terrorists! 917347;1415738539;mircea_popescu;what about them ? 917348;1415738559;thestringpuller;you can't serve the terrorists. it's unpatriotic 917349;1415738567;chetty;banks refuse to open accounts all the time ..or close existing ones .. 917350;1415738568;mircea_popescu;let the police do its job. 917351;1415738591;thestringpuller;what about the case when someone goes down for "due cause" 917352;1415738596;mircea_popescu;this "let the word processor be a browser and the browser be a music station and th phone a camera" trend is pure idiocy. 917353;1415738609;thestringpuller;i.e. MPEx webserver attack, Trade engine failure, etc. 917354;1415738612;mircea_popescu;there's no point in having a bank be the police. let the police be the police, and if they're no good at it let them go home. 917355;1415738621;mircea_popescu;thestringpuller then they suck. 917356;1415738647;thestringpuller;so in future MPEx will "never be down" 917357;1415738675;mircea_popescu;it's never been down for a while. 917358;1415738699;mircea_popescu;more on point, imagine if the blockchain "were down" 917359;1415738713;thestringpuller;then bitcoin, would die. 917360;1415738718;mircea_popescu;something that happens with regularity to fiat banks, "sorry, we can't process txn, our so-called system is down" 917361;1415738763;asciilifeform;i was in restaurant just the other day, fiat 'was down', delayed for no good reason. 917362;1415738769;thestringpuller;but there is a possibility (albeit improbably) someone bombs every mining facility on the planet, and the hash rate plummets making block times 10 hours per 917363;1415738812;mircea_popescu;there's also a possibility the aliens land and start mining. 917364;1415738830;chetty;I vote for the aliens 917365;1415738833;mircea_popescu;incidentally, i have a spot of work for a python guru. anyone bored ? 917366;1415738851;mircea_popescu;and speaking of that, i need someone to make me (another) site. anyone wanna make a b-a site ? 917367;1415738864;thestringpuller;there's already a b-a site 917368;1415738867;thestringpuller;isn't that kako's job? 917369;1415738885;mircea_popescu;you might have not noticed this, but! the model is fully decentralised, with delegated subdomains. 917370;1415738901;mircea_popescu;kakobrekla is like the dns cabal. 917371;1415738919;thestringpuller;so it's already done? 917372;1415738920;thestringpuller;lol 917373;1415738924;diametric;mircea_popescu: what kind of work in python do you need done? 917374;1415738926;mircea_popescu;wht is ? 917375;1415738959;mircea_popescu;diametric well, there's a format for computer models called "3d" something. it sort-of almost works in blender, there's an ancient convertor someone made. this : ttps://github.com/UnoffLandz/unoff-landz/wiki/Editing-Static-3d-Objects 917376;1415738959;mircea_popescu;http://sourceforge.net/projects/unoffserver/files/Blender%20Scripts/Import%20Export%20e3d%20files/ 917377;1415738960;assbot;UnoffLandz - Browse /Blender Scripts/Import Export e3d files at SourceForge.net 917378;1415738972;mircea_popescu;i need this brought up to date, because it ties into blender from 2009 and uses python from 2007 917379;1415739003;thestringpuller;hahahaha 917380;1415739025;diametric;so you just need it to run in current blender/python? 917381;1415739040;mircea_popescu;yup 917382;1415739093;thestringpuller;this is a pretty complex script. 917383;1415739093;diametric;i'll give it a cursory glance and let you know 917384;1415739096;mircea_popescu;ty. 917385;1415739125;thestringpuller;hopefully blender doesn't does do crazy stuff (like MS) between versions like change from lhs to rhs 917386;1415739133;mircea_popescu;wouldn't surprise me. 917387;1415739151;thestringpuller;who would be using this program? 917388;1415739180;mircea_popescu;... 917389;1415739185;mircea_popescu;what are you, oracle ? 917390;1415739191;diametric;this is pretty gnarly 917391;1415739201;mircea_popescu;myeah. 917392;1415739263;thestringpuller;very funny mircea_popescu 917393;1415739294;mircea_popescu;For your reference, please see the following video. It depicts one of Mr. Blanc's instructional seminars where he advocates illegal and racist behavior as well as video footage of Mr. Blanc in the act: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=grV1iDns87s 917394;1415739295;assbot;"Pick-Up Artist" pushing Japanese women's heads down to his crotch 白人が日本で大暴れ「日本ではHしほうだい」(字幕) - YouTube 917395;1415739302;mircea_popescu;now this i gotta see, illegal and racist behaviour 917396;1415739335;thestringpuller;damn, this while loop is gross. 917397;1415739365;mircea_popescu;uhhh... srsly, staged crap ? these people need better concerns. 917398;1415739386;mircea_popescu;�When you go to Tokyo�.if you�re a white male, you can do what you want. Just grab her, pull her in. She�ll giggle. Just say PIKACHU or POKEMON or something to take the pressure off. I�m romping through the streets (of Tokyo) just grabbing girls and it�s like (motions) head on dick (pfft) head on dick, yelling �PIKACHU� with a Pikachu shirt on�.Every foreigner who is white does this. When you see that 917399;1415739386;mircea_popescu;one foreigner in the crowd in Tokyo and your eyes will lock and you know that he knows and he knows that and it�s this guilty look like you both fucked a hooker or something.� 917400;1415739417;mircea_popescu;honestly this entire "feminist protesting" stuff reads a whole lot like the sort of crap that tucker max "strategist" derp would come up with 917401;1415739421;mircea_popescu;da fuck was his name. 917402;1415739463;mircea_popescu;Ryan Holiday. 917403;1415739463;asciilifeform;kgb disinfo agitprop that took own life of its own. 917404;1415739493;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform well... not so much a life. more like a hottopic of its own. 917405;1415739527;asciilifeform;unrelated: http://prog21.dadgum.com/116.html 917406;1415739527;assbot;Things That Turbo Pascal is Smaller Than 917407;1415739542;mircea_popescu;and judging how quickly it comes on the heels of the entire gamergate thing, i;m calling it. 917408;1415739605;punkman;mircea_popescu: what's the new b-a website? 917409;1415739663;mircea_popescu;punkman you seriously want to do ALL fo them !? this is very nice and all but imagine what happens if the aliens come to elect you their leader. all the shit drops off maintenance ? 917410;1415739695;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform i actually moved to turbo pascal from qbasic back in very long ago. 917411;1415739711;mircea_popescu;it *was* fast. 917412;1415739727;thestringpuller;yum qbasic. the first language I ever learned. 917413;1415739735;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: to turbo pascal from qbasic << i, also. 917414;1415739736;punkman;well if I'm elected alien leader, I'll put a few of them to task 917415;1415739751;mircea_popescu;punkman what if you're elected cumrag. 917416;1415739779;punkman;problems 917417;1415739788;ben_vulpes;mircea_popescu: mines << gotta eat. 917418;1415739813;mircea_popescu;support wordpress actually pays money ? i'm awed. 917419;1415739822;mircea_popescu;ing* 917420;1415739834;ben_vulpes;bezzleland. 917421;1415739971;mircea_popescu;well, if nobody speaks up punkman gets it tomorro, so. speak up. 917422;1415740022;thestringpuller;i'm interested. but want to know what it is fiiirst 917423;1415740038;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform actually ironically enough, pascal was supposed to be a shitty program. c++ was supposed ot be the cat's teats. yet the experience i had over a coupla summers with turbopascal is pretty much unmatched. maybe the only time i actually enjoyed coding. 917424;1415740056;mircea_popescu;borlandc++ sucked by comparison. maybe because i was too dumb to properly grok the language, or too lazy to learn the spec 917425;1415740075;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: cpp was not designed for humans, but for slave galleys. 917426;1415740076;mircea_popescu;but holy testlist on a stick mary, who wants it. 917427;1415740127;punkman;notary, status 917428;1415740127;notary;punkman: No pending deeds | Last bundle 15 hours and 8 minutes ago 917429;1415740130;mircea_popescu;o splendor of splendors 917430;1415740165;punkman;punkbot, balance 917431;1415740165;notary;punkman: Balance at 1LAwrWMbPLLSpt7nkD5Jv1Yf4cwPhD98ny is 0.06295 BTC (0.0 unconfirmed), enough for 572 more bundles. 917432;1415740166;notary;punkman: Of course, you wouldn't have any 'extra' tobacco 917433;1415740180;mircea_popescu;lol wait wut 917434;1415740198;punkman;poor thing got confused 917435;1415740202;mircea_popescu;$proxies 917436;1415740203;empyex;mircea_popescu: Proxies: mpex.bz mpex.ws mpex.co mpex.biz mpex.coinbr.com Current MPEx GPG-Key-ID: 02DD2D91 917437;1415740273;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes anyway, you ever sorted out the whatever it was ? mah wp expert happens to be sitting across from me. 917438;1415740315;ben_vulpes;what is the part of wordpress that determines what things are prepended to the slug? 917439;1415740345;empyex;mircea_popescu: MPEx-Status: mpex.co (119 milliseconds), mpex.biz (152 milliseconds), mpex.bz (242 milliseconds), mpex.coinbr.com (10266 milliseconds), mpex.ws (error) 917440;1415740346;empyex;mircea_popescu: Health-Indicators: Homepage: √ MK Depth JSON: √ VWAP JSON: √ 917441;1415740437;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes apparently there's an interface in the admin to set it 917442;1415740472;mircea_popescu;settings > permalinks 917443;1415740508;mircea_popescu;and apparently you shouldn't get into those guts anyway, just pick custom structure and form a string 917444;1415740950;ben_vulpes;here's the wacky thing - it's the same on both the old site and the migrated copy. 917445;1415740962;ben_vulpes;just using "Post name" option. 917446;1415740992;jurov;Dunno if guru, but I do have few pull requests against py projects. 917447;1415741034;jurov;*Accepted pull requests. 917448;1415741048;mircea_popescu;jurov : see above ? 917449;1415741075;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes and so it doesn't use just the name ? 917450;1415741096;ben_vulpes;it's got this http://domain/foo/slug 917451;1415741137;ben_vulpes;the old one was http://domain/foo/bar/slug 917452;1415741163;mircea_popescu;so add bar ? 917453;1415741170;ben_vulpes;no slashes in slugs 917454;1415741172;jurov;Oh you want to sort out weird old mess. Sounds like stuff I am good with. 917455;1415741181;mircea_popescu;huh ? 917456;1415741214;jurov;i saw blender+py from 2007 917457;1415741251;ben_vulpes;old site has /foo/bar as uneditable zone in permalink area on page 917458;1415741256;ben_vulpes;new site only has /foo/ 917459;1415741268;ben_vulpes;i have no idea where /foo/ is even configured 917460;1415741276;mircea_popescu;what 917461;1415741291;mircea_popescu;'s /foo/%postname%/ do ? 917462;1415741485;asciilifeform;http://cluborlov.blogspot.com/2014/11/twilight-of-oligarchs.html << quality lulz from mr. o. 917463;1415741485;assbot;ClubOrlov: Twilight of the Oligarchs 917464;1415741565;mircea_popescu;anyway, there's a $prefix defined in wp-admin/options-permalink.php but "you really should not fuck with that" 917465;1415741594;ben_vulpes;i can't imagine that was set at any time. 917466;1415741621;ben_vulpes;something (perhaps js?) strips the '/', '%' 917467;1415741761;mircea_popescu;$wp_rewrite->set_permalink_structure($permalink_structure); is the call you care about 917468;1415741931;undata;asciilifeform: It is likely a failure of my imagination that I cannot guess what sort of violence-entrepreneurs might emerge in the US. 917469;1415741950;undata;maybe gangs 917470;1415741953;mircea_popescu;they already have emerged. 917471;1415741959;mircea_popescu;go buy some dope and some cunt, 917472;1415741968;mircea_popescu;same people wil be selling water and batteries soonish 917473;1415741968;undata;mircea_popescu: so gangs? 917474;1415741974;undata;I could see that. 917475;1415741988;mircea_popescu;no, not gangs. gangs are roughly what the police is. hardly entrepreneurial/ 917476;1415741990;asciilifeform;undata: in many (most?) places in usa, they won't be readily distinguishable from existing policemen. 917477;1415742002;undata;asciilifeform: there we go; I was going to suggest "state govts" 917478;1415742034;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform yeah, they will. VERY distinguishable. recall the previous fall : who dared go around in a militsya uniform ? 917479;1415742037;undata;many in Texas (not on the fringe) are secessionist 917480;1415742067;asciilifeform;uniform << in that sense, yes 917481;1415742072;mircea_popescu;anyway, unlike stockpiling X Y or Z magical golden pill produced on antiquated thinking, going out and making friends with a drug dealer TODAY is both actionable and useful. 917482;1415742092;mircea_popescu;having those friends will pay in 2020. having a basement full of whatever might get you killed. 917483;1415742097;undata;mircea_popescu: haha, that's a wonderful PSA 917484;1415742104;undata;"Make friends with a drug dealer TODAY!" 917485;1415742119;mircea_popescu;and i dont mean no dime peddling doofus either. 917486;1415742126;undata;no no, someone with his own enterprise 917487;1415742135;mircea_popescu;buy a pound of cocaine, uncut, on the premise that it muyst be exactly one pound and exactly uncut. 917488;1415742137;undata;they've already shown they can operate with independence 917489;1415742146;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: works best if one can find a matching ethnomafia to go in. 917490;1415742149;mircea_popescu;then flush it down the drain for all it matters, you just want to meet the people involved. 917491;1415742161;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform americans aren't a nation. no such for them. 917492;1415742226;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: no flags involved. pure ethno-colourcode, dialect, mannerisms sort of thing. 917493;1415742239;mircea_popescu;that's what the flag is. 917494;1415742244;mircea_popescu;what did you think the flag was 917495;1415742247;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: at least where i live 917496;1415742296;asciilifeform;http://pastebin.com/vEXnTjWq << best spam. 917497;1415742296;assbot;The Obamacare Gestapo 012 - Pastebin.com 917498;1415742338;mircea_popescu;did you just download pastebin.com and are now rummaging ? 917499;1415742359;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: a small experiment, yes 917500;1415742367;undata;mircea_popescu: here in Oregon there are plenty of farming operations that I wouldn't be surprised if later they take on a more political nature 917501;1415742383;undata;heavily armed, unfortunately christian, but otherwise seemingly fault tolerant 917502;1415742391;mircea_popescu;undata you act as if this political thing is a reserve ability all men have. 917503;1415742402;mircea_popescu;if they weren't worthless they'd be invovled NOW. since they aren't now, they won't later. 917504;1415742416;undata;mircea_popescu: the one I'm thinking of is better termed a distributor 917505;1415742432;mircea_popescu;well if the one you're thinking of is, then the one you;re thinking of might be, yes. 917506;1415742454;undata;but then again they could be the basement full of goods 917507;1415742456;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: if they weren't worthless they'd be invovled NOW << tricky bit here. 'involved now' almost always means 'share the fate of the new york death ray plot' or 'citadel corp.' or a thousand other stoolie-run shams. 917508;1415742463;undata;I am unaware of their total capacity to defend themselves 917509;1415742499;mircea_popescu;anyway, i'd say i'm the poster child for orlov's "violent entrepreneurs". it's not that i make an enterprise of violence, is that i clearly and pointedly reserve the right to use violence without limit. 917510;1415742532;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform not so. 917511;1415742539;mircea_popescu;take ben_vulpes, he's involved now. 917512;1415742570;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes, he's involved << wai wat. 917513;1415742574;mircea_popescu;he's not particularly powerful, at least not in any way the pete's derpy commenter would recognise. but that's an unrelated matter. 917514;1415742580;thestringpuller;mircea_popescu: how so? you have mercenaries now? 917515;1415742593;mircea_popescu;thestringpuller i always did, but that is besides the point anyway. 917516;1415742614;thestringpuller;^- if greatest soldier alive is in your private army, you are automatically most powerful so very relevant? 917517;1415742617;mircea_popescu;i have servers, too, and as the ddos rises so do the servers. simple equation there. 917518;1415742683;mircea_popescu;in a sense, "entrepreneurs of violence" is just a particular facet of sovereignity. orlov was in a room with a sovereign elephant and what he came out with was the trunk. 917519;1415742730;mircea_popescu;" And as the unraveling progresses, the violent entrepreneurs develop agendas of their own, which, inevitably, involve having the cooperation flow the other way: instead of cooperating with those formerly in charge, they demand that those formerly in charge start cooperating with them. And it is here that the scene turns bloody." 917520;1415742742;mircea_popescu;"the sec wants to matter, the sec better get in the wot". hasn't turned bloody yet. 917521;1415742772;undata;mircea_popescu: ah I understand; I took it as "violence start-ups" 917522;1415742807;mircea_popescu;i dunno what he meant by it, but what he actually said does allow an interpretation that actually works, so. benefit of the doubt. 917523;1415742815;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: mr o is fixated on the 'elephant's trunk' because that was the organ he saw in action personally while visiting ru in '90s 917524;1415742826;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform understandable. 917525;1415742865;mircea_popescu;undata violence is not merely physical violence. tim swanson got bludgeoned into the dirt, what is that if not violence ? 917526;1415742867;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: in his words, approx., 'violent entrepreneurs are special and distinct in that they will work whether or not you pay them, whether they're paid simply determines whether they work with you or on you' 917527;1415742874;mircea_popescu;^ 917528;1415742875;mircea_popescu;exactly. 917529;1415742890;mircea_popescu;see ? sovereignty. 917530;1415742903;mircea_popescu;"the country works whether it's your ally or your enemy, as what it does" 917531;1415742960;mircea_popescu; mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes, he's involved << wai wat. << does this need elucidation still ? 917532;1415743032;mircea_popescu;" There tends to be a clean break with the old, collapsing society, which is motivated by money and prestige within society at large, because these entrepreneurial groups are motivated by honor and prestige within the in-group only." << what is the wot if not exactl;y that ? 917533;1415743039;mircea_popescu;guy pretty much has it, in the working parts. 917534;1415743158;diametric;http://securelist.com/analysis/publications/67483/stuxnet-zero-victims/ 917535;1415743159;assbot;Stuxnet: Zero Victims - Securelist 917536;1415743212;cazalla;ddos back or something? 917537;1415743260;mircea_popescu;looking. 917538;1415743263;mircea_popescu;nope. 917539;1415743278;mircea_popescu;there's something afoot with the dns service worldwide tho 917540;1415743416;mircea_popescu;a they found the domains huh. 917541;1415743514;asciilifeform;stuxnet << as i described in my article 'don't blame the mice' - imho, iran doesn't really want to live. how we know this? if they wanted to live, there would have been a public impalement of whoever said 'everyone runs winblows, it's ok for us to' 917542;1415743525;mircea_popescu;^ 917543;1415743541;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform the only thing ever in deficit in the world is the working brain and the erect penis. 917544;1415743551;mircea_popescu;everything else is forever abundant. and so... they may well wish to live 917545;1415743555;mircea_popescu;but who among trhem can think ? 917546;1415743583;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: i can't say that i agree. they're cheap as dust. but very far, typically, from the 'levers of power' 917547;1415743599;mircea_popescu;maybe our definitions of working differ. 917548;1415743638;undata;this topic might help me understand something, if someone wishes to explain 917549;1415743640;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: e.g., i like to imagine that i had 'working brain', yet here i am 'on mars', far away. 917550;1415743651;undata;Iran to me is a great example of why strict authoritarian systems do not work 917551;1415743661;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform is the engine spinning on the test bed a working engine or not ? 917552;1415743671;undata;but to ask a different question, how do we end up with authorities who are rational? 917553;1415743673;mircea_popescu;till you get your wheels on you're just a prototype. a good one, sure, but... 917554;1415743679;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: test bed << if the proper kind, with simulated loads - aye 917555;1415743682;mircea_popescu;undata wot ? 917556;1415743692;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform i don't agree. it doesn't do any work. 917557;1415743727;asciilifeform;iran authoritarian << poor country, and, afaik, run by populistic idiots generously helped by foreign wreckers from half the globe 917558;1415743777;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform there's a much larger issue there. iran is mostly ethnially persian. the leadership, ethnically arab. on their own, the arabs are usually poor. therefore they depend on govt dole. 917559;1415743779;asciilifeform;doesn't do any work << usually folks ask 'if x works' with the understanding that x may be on a shelf, in a crate, has not been used in anger yet 917560;1415743787;mircea_popescu;exactly manchuko scenario replaying itself. 917561;1415743799;mircea_popescu;what used to be fearless warriors are now blind old dependants. 917562;1415743821;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform i don't disagree the brain works. im just saying, it's not working till it does work. 917563;1415743834;asciilifeform;manchuko << interesting and explains things 917564;1415743851;mircea_popescu;otherwise endlessly spinning the "simulated loads" of bezzle is a great way to keep a great engine away from the road. 917565;1415743873;undata;mircea_popescu: my question is how a parasitic overclass is avoided if one is to believe in soverignty and aristocracy? 917566;1415743885;mircea_popescu;what's your definition of "parasitic" ? 917567;1415743890;mircea_popescu;manking lives off the soil. 917568;1415743899;mircea_popescu;mankind* 917569;1415743908;undata;mircea_popescu: one that eventually wears out the thing underneath, leading to collapse 917570;1415743913;undata;maybe that's just the nature of it 917571;1415743918;undata;I'm not convinced I'm asking the right question. 917572;1415743923;mircea_popescu;listen, until you start doing your own photosinthesis, you can be accused of being "parasitic" 917573;1415743933;mircea_popescu;it's like accusing someone of us "rape". do they have a penis ? well.... 917574;1415743933;undata;sure, but there's a question of degree there 917575;1415743942;mircea_popescu;yeah, and that question is called politics. 917576;1415743964;mircea_popescu;the apportioning of penance among the universally guilty humans, the temproal role of the church, 917577;1415743972;mircea_popescu;the first central government 917578;1415743997;undata;so the answer in Iran's case is "because an adjacent sovereign is not fit enough to destroy them?" 917579;1415744010;mircea_popescu;they're just lazy and stupid. 917580;1415744023;mircea_popescu;could also say "they're letting the women lead much to their detriment" 917581;1415744033;mircea_popescu;middle easterners have this problem. 917582;1415744423;mod6;asciilifeform: are you the author of these patches? : rm_rf_upnp.tar.gz https-snipsnip.tar.gz turdmeister-alert-snip.tar.gz goodbye-win32.tar.gz ? 917583;1415744444;asciilifeform;mod6: yes 917584;1415744447;diametric;https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2014/11/starttls-downgrade-attacks 917585;1415744449;assbot;ISPs Removing Their Customers' Email Encryption | Electronic Frontier Foundation 917586;1415744457;asciilifeform;mod6: except the 1st 917587;1415744461;mircea_popescu;mod6 shouldn't you be able to tell ? 917588;1415744461;ben_vulpes;not rm_rf_upnp you aren't 917589;1415744475;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: aha, i think you wrote that one 917590;1415744490;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: i already forgot most of this 917591;1415744499;mod6;mircea_popescu: eh yeah, just making sure i guess, those wern't posted to the mailing list. 917592;1415744503;ben_vulpes;gpg --verify should spit out the author 917593;1415744508;ben_vulpes;i've been a busy boy it's true 917594;1415744510;asciilifeform;^^^^ 917595;1415744510;mircea_popescu;diametric i bet you it's a "cost saving measure" 917596;1415744567;mircea_popescu;"Some of the action is bound to be quite shocking; for instance, while the elites and the oligarchs themselves are rather well defended, at least initially, their children, ensconced in various elite schools, academies and universities, comprise a soft target, setting the stage for school take-overs, mass kidnappings and shootings of a very different sort from the ones seen to date. " 917597;1415744596;mircea_popescu;so orlovs' prediction is that in the near future i will be able to order oligarch underage daughter prostitute to my hotel room in odessa ? 917598;1415744629;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: well sure, more like hotel in london 917599;1415744649;mircea_popescu;why would i go to fucking london. 917600;1415744656;mircea_popescu;i'd rather BE the prostitute. 917601;1415744747;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: idk why to go to london. just following mr. o's thoughts. 917602;1415744827;ben_vulpes;at the risk of point out the obvious if you can afford the bundling and transportation, you could have them in odessa 917603;1415744945;asciilifeform;odessa is under american occupation atm, afaik 917604;1415744979;asciilifeform;(well, more precisely, nato's unofficial little shitgnomes) 917605;1415745001;mats_cd03;such hostility 917606;1415745359;mircea_popescu;;;isup log1.bitcoin-assets.com/ 917607;1415745361;gribble;log1.bitcoin-assets.com/ is up 917608;1415745479;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform kinda my point. 917609;1415745490;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes yeah, but the idea is for it to be done for free. 917610;1415745728;mircea_popescu;generally, that's the formative experience of failure. when one's daughters are given away as objects to they in the other system, because even as objects there they are still worth more than were they to stay in their parents' own system, much like infinitely nothing of something is still more than absolutely all of nothing whatsoever. 917611;1415745728;mircea_popescu;which is, i guess, what "traditional marriage" is all about. 917612;1415745728;mircea_popescu;jurov so give it a look let me know ? 917613;1415746461;mats_cd03;https://www.imperialviolet.org/2014/09/07/provers.html 917614;1415746462;assbot;ImperialViolet - A shallow survey of formal methods for C code 917615;1415746544;asciilifeform;!s formal means 917616;1415746545;assbot;7 results for 'formal means' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=formal+means 917617;1415746567;asciilifeform;!s decaying urbits 917618;1415746568;assbot;6 results for 'decaying urbits' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=decaying+urbits 917619;1415746643;asciilifeform;mathematicized, 'proofy' programming is one part grantsmanship, two parts organized pseudoscience, one part enemy disinfo. 917620;1415746679;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=27-09-2014#846642 917621;1415746679;assbot;Logged on 27-09-2014 02:45:16; asciilifeform: decimation: the cure for this depression is to understand that a machine can be built to be -understood-. 917622;1415746714;asciilifeform;(see also that entire thread.) 917623;1415747015;mats_cd03;yep, read it 917624;1415747854;mircea_popescu;12-08-2014 05:29:50 I am subjecting myself to Swanson's book << anything came of this ? 917625;1415747894;punkman;just the comments that followed 917626;1415747972;mircea_popescu;kk 917627;1415748506;gernika;It's hard to go for more than a year here without the company you're working for being sold. 917628;1415749253;mircea_popescu;!up TheShrander 917629;1415749260;mircea_popescu;gernika i can see it. 917630;1415749457;undata;gernika: when I was 16 I worked for a software company which persuaded staff (myself excluded of course) to alter their stock options unfavorably given that they subsequently sold out to HP 917631;1415749471;undata;that was a formative experience 917632;1415749488;gernika;undata Pretty sure the same thing happened to me about 3 years ago. 917633;1415749524;gernika;term sheet change, sell company 917634;1415749781;TheShrander;i'm gonna hold a speech about the WoT in Italy next month. mircea_popescu we have already talk weeks ago, i'm wyrdmantis, remember? 917635;1415749801;mircea_popescu;yea. 917636;1415749810;BingoBoingo;dignork TomServo: Ty 917637;1415750092;cazalla;dignork: a, lol, i see what you mean, it's a typo in original css, full text then: http://dpaste.com/0D7MGFD <<< thanks, it's a bit of an improvement for mobile 917638;1415750094;assbot;dpaste: 0D7MGFD 917639;1415750106;cazalla;oh, you doing same thing BingoBoingo ? 917640;1415750136;BingoBoingo;cazalla: I was, but... you can go ahead 917641;1415750208;cazalla;done 917642;1415750311;TheShrander;i'm trying get some more people here, so they can understand and not waste money in fucking startups... we will see :D 917643;1415750364;mircea_popescu;cool. 917644;1415750479;scoopbot;New post on The Whet by han@thewhet: http://thewhet.net/2014/thinking-you-can-infer-the-meaning-of-new-words-still-eviling-strong/ 917645;1415751255;mircea_popescu;RagnarDanneskjol http://trilema.com/2014/the-thorny-problem-of-violence-or-the-miracle-of-the-talking-ass/ << the 8th note you will prolly find of interest. 917646;1415751255;assbot;The thorny problem of violence, or the miracle of the talking ass. pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. 917647;1415751401;RagnarDanneskjol;oh yes very interesting indeed - I read it before - always get more the second time around. thank 917648;1415751455;mircea_popescu;i just published it 917649;1415751505;RagnarDanneskjol;oh -the title looked familiar 917650;1415751561;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: if orlov's a paid muppet, when do i get paid. 917651;1415751590;mircea_popescu;why would you get paid ? 917652;1415751597;asciilifeform;(what's sadder, paid shilling, or pro bono muppetry?) 917653;1415751612;mircea_popescu;i don't see you churning out an article a week about how "evil nato" and "nice putin" 917654;1415751621;mircea_popescu;muppetry is hard work yo. 917655;1415751628;asciilifeform;mostly on account of i can't be bothered to give a shit. 917656;1415751632;mircea_popescu;well ? 917657;1415751639;mircea_popescu;so then, again...why would you get paid ? 917658;1415751639;asciilifeform;but i give enough of a miniature shit to link mr. o 917659;1415751642;asciilifeform;lol 917660;1415751659;mircea_popescu;so wait, you COULD be a tailor ? cuz yo usorta like cut stuff now and again ? 917661;1415751670;mircea_popescu;this is your argument for payment ? 917662;1415751675;asciilifeform;'whore, on account of the equipment' heh. 917663;1415751682;mircea_popescu;quite. 917664;1415751794;RagnarDanneskjol;this is the one i was thinking of http://trilema.com/2014/the-problem-of-enforcement/ - also worth rereading 917665;1415751794;assbot;The problem of enforcement pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. 917666;1415751803;mircea_popescu;ah. 917667;1415751822;gernika;Was Orlov paid first, and then he started writing? Or the other way around? 917668;1415751823;asciilifeform;iirc that's the one where 'we need a new fleanode' 917669;1415751837;gernika;Blog until you make it? 917670;1415751866;mircea_popescu;gernika the kgb does not recruit nobodies for this role. 917671;1415751921;mircea_popescu;either he's an officer, which is weird, but weird is not new in the game ; or else he's just yet another aspiring-talking head, except not working for X company but Y, or else i'm wrong. 917672;1415751958;gernika;I could see him as the "social media" branch of a wider effort that includes RT. 917673;1415751984;mircea_popescu;me too. 917674;1415751992;mircea_popescu;has he ever linked to rt ? 917675;1415752003;asciilifeform;let's posit paid muppetry. what is the client getting for his money? 917676;1415752010;mircea_popescu;"buzz" 917677;1415752026;asciilifeform;'demoralize decadent west.' but why take a contract out on a corpse? 917678;1415752028;mircea_popescu;what does any other derp paying for "online marketing" ? 917679;1415752040;mircea_popescu;it's not quite as simple as all that. 917680;1415752060;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform remember that rather accurate depiction of "typical agent" ? 917681;1415752065;asciilifeform;aha. 917682;1415752067;mircea_popescu;how the fuck do you expect to reach him ? 917683;1415752071;asciilifeform;the one with the junkyard, yes 917684;1415752075;mircea_popescu;well ? 917685;1415752090;asciilifeform;that one had a perfectly pedestrian military logic. 917686;1415752094;asciilifeform;what's the logic here? 917687;1415752103;mircea_popescu;if you wish to reach those guys, how do you do it ? 917688;1415752111;mircea_popescu;put up a craigslist ad ? 917689;1415752116;mircea_popescu;do it on reddit ? on twitter ? 917690;1415752123;mircea_popescu;your best bet is exactly what orlov is doing. 917691;1415752134;asciilifeform;in the classic book, you had a fella going up to the junkyard keeper, offering him a bag of benjies 'for almost nothing' 917692;1415752138;mircea_popescu;sorta fringe-y, sorta-angry but not really, "let's make a new alphabet" 917693;1415752253;scoopbot;New post on Trilema by Mircea Popescu: http://trilema.com/2014/the-thorny-problem-of-violence-or-the-miracle-of-the-talking-ass/ 917694;1415752269;gernika;!s typical agent 917695;1415752270;assbot;0 results for 'typical agent' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=typical+agent 917696;1415752293;asciilifeform;gernika: http://militera.lib.ru/research/suvorov6/08.html 917697;1415752300;asciilifeform;(the piece in question) 917698;1415752333;asciilifeform;'A portrait of an ideal agent for spetsnaz emerges something like this: a man of between fifty-five and sixty-five years of age who has never served in the army, never had access to secret documents, does not carry or own a weapon, knows nothing about hand-to-hand fighting, does not possess any secret equipment and doesn't support the Comunists, does not read the newspapers, was never in the Soviet Union and ha 917699;1415752334;asciilifeform;s never met any Soviet citizens, leads a lonely, introspective life, far from other people, and is by profession a forester, fisherman, lighthouse-keeper, security guard or railwayman. In many cases such an agent will be a physical invalid...' 917700;1415752416;asciilifeform;the piece concerned folks who were given the job of preparing hidey-holes and providing materiel, however 917701;1415752420;asciilifeform;rather than 'influence agents' 917702;1415752426;asciilifeform;so perhaps mircea_popescu was thinking of another. 917703;1415752438;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform again, how do you FIND these guys ? 917704;1415752444;asciilifeform;legwork. 917705;1415752453;BingoBoingo;!s Hal Turner 917706;1415752454;assbot;2 results for 'Hal Turner' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=Hal+Turner 917707;1415752454;asciilifeform;same way i might find a mechanic 917708;1415752462;asciilifeform;or drywall master 917709;1415752473;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform specifically, legwork. orlov's blog, is that legwork ? 917710;1415752490;asciilifeform;let's play this 'chess' a few moves in 917711;1415752495;asciilifeform;say one bites. 917712;1415752504;gernika;Orlov reminds me of detective who has you in the interrogation room. He somehow befriends himself to you and makes you think he wants to help you. He lays out your options. Cooperate and you get life. Otherwise death. 917713;1415752521;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform aha ? 917714;1415752536;asciilifeform;picture the letter: 'dear mr.o, where can i park my mystery crate that certainly does not contain a rocket launcher.' 917715;1415752542;asciilifeform;or the like. 917716;1415752601;asciilifeform;unless i dramatically fail to grok how this works, a public blog is very much not the correct tool in the box for this. 917717;1415752601;mircea_popescu;let's model it properly. you're the kgb special assets chain of command, and i'm orlov. 917718;1415752618;mircea_popescu;now, propose a situation, sketch a plan and give me an order. 917719;1415752647;asciilifeform;i thought the hypothetical was that mr. o is the commander. 917720;1415752659;mircea_popescu;lol get out. 917721;1415752659;asciilifeform;or at least a controlled muppet 917722;1415752663;mircea_popescu;well yes. 917723;1415752686;mircea_popescu;think cc server - rooted box. i'm the rooted box. say something to me! 917724;1415752691;asciilifeform;so, let's cast mr. o as muppet in charge of volunteer recruitment. 917725;1415752705;asciilifeform;moscow says 'find us some useful morons' 917726;1415752716;mircea_popescu;error #1 : unspecific command ; ignoring. 917727;1415752762;asciilifeform;moscow: 'we need to park a http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=11-11-2014#917246 within 10km of 'camp david.'' 917728;1415752762;assbot;Logged on 11-11-2014 15:03:50; asciilifeform: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PXWJrpA8FnE 917729;1415752802;mircea_popescu;select from blog_derps where location within 50 miles and factor 1..n in $criteria or has car etc 917730;1415752869;asciilifeform;except that if mr. o were so 'open' to volunteers, he'd be grunting in the oubliette with mr. nyc deathray 917731;1415752881;mircea_popescu;obviously. 917732;1415752893;mircea_popescu;but this is a technical objection. 917733;1415752907;mircea_popescu;if the car worked on an ideal carnot cycle it'd be pretty much fireworks show 917734;1415752925;asciilifeform;so one would have to posit some magic-trick in his pocket to explain why he is still around and kicking. 917735;1415752978;mircea_popescu;maybe he's not done anything useful yet. 917736;1415752982;mircea_popescu;maybe he's been lucky so far 917737;1415752998;mircea_popescu;who the fuck knows, it's a shitty life the junkies, whores and assets lead. 917738;1415753009;asciilifeform;not saying that this is an impossible picture. 917739;1415753032;asciilifeform;just that it fails on a few basics. for one thing, ru recruiters traditionally false-flag. 917740;1415753057;asciilifeform;(bugger: 'i wouldn't work for no russian scum' agent: 'aha, but we're mossad, friendlies, dontchaknow') 917741;1415753131;mircea_popescu;i haven't a clue if they mostly do or don't. 917742;1415753136;BingoBoingo;Why won't people learn to pastebin: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B2L0hRICAAAAKSg.png:large 917743;1415753138;mircea_popescu;which year is this ? 917744;1415753188;mircea_popescu;"a stunted copulation between a woman who hadn�t been laid in decades and a man who interrogated mattress springs for a living" 917745;1415753193;mircea_popescu;;;later tell hanbot win 917746;1415753193;gribble;The operation succeeded. 917747;1415753331;asciilifeform;(most folks, apparently, feel less 'edgy' re: the idea of muppeting for a small-time intelligence agency, than ru or us) 917748;1415753401;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: if you happen to have a w4r3z link to 'running rings of spies' by 'paladin press', it has some (authenticated and not) case studies. 917749;1415753464;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform most folk get this idea that "they're in control of their own life" and that "they won't have to do anything they don't want to do" and so... 917750;1415753474;asciilifeform;very elegantly described in that tome. 917751;1415753476;mircea_popescu;what's the worst that can happen. and nobody reads anyway, and who's going to figure anything out 917752;1415753478;mircea_popescu;or keep tabs. 917753;1415753484;asciilifeform;in a, i dare say, psychiatric style. 917754;1415753505;asciilifeform;(an intelligence case officer is a kind of psychiatrist, in the same sense that a sniper is a type of surgeon) 917755;1415753558;mircea_popescu;i like it when hirelings go "hello micrea". on a first name basis with people you don't even know the first name of ? way to fail multiple times per line! 917756;1415753570;asciilifeform;micrea?! 917757;1415753610;mircea_popescu;apparently. 917758;1415753617;mircea_popescu;snatislav! 917759;1415753625;BingoBoingo;Micrea is the cleanshaven alternate universe version 917760;1415753638;mircea_popescu;maybe it should be my stage name. Mic Rhea 917761;1415753641;*;asciilifeform has read such letters, yes 917762;1415753655;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform at least it didn't get all the way to snotislav or something 917763;1415753674;asciilifeform;'they called him rheostat. for the knob he twisted to turn up the current when they ended up in his chair.' 917764;1415753749;ben_vulpes;rheostan 917765;1415753753;thestringpuller;!s from:asciilifeform regex 917766;1415753754;assbot;0 results for 'from:asciilifeform regex' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=from%3Aasciilifeform+regex 917767;1415753765;asciilifeform;regex? 917768;1415753769;thestringpuller;^- did i do it wrong 917769;1415753786;undata;thestringpuller: wrong string. 917770;1415753825;thestringpuller;undata: did they remove the from: tag? 917771;1415753831;thestringpuller;there is to: 917772;1415753834;undata;thestringpuller: not a clue 917773;1415753851;thestringpuller;~_~ 917774;1415753889;asciilifeform;'ring of spies' << when does #b-a get own w4r3z ftp? 917775;1415753943;asciilifeform;'instant file hosting' crud - sucks. 917776;1415753956;undata;asciilifeform: spend magnet links into the blockchain? 917777;1415753963;undata;maybe I'll write that this weekend 917778;1415753971;asciilifeform;magnet links << and who seeds? you? 917779;1415753988;undata;asciilifeform: same question as who hosts, isn't it? 917780;1415753997;undata;of course you could get fancier and do some darknet thing 917781;1415754031;asciilifeform;point is not even entirely to host w4r3z - this is not an entirely unsolved problem - but to demonstrate 'fortress.' 917782;1415754041;thestringpuller;torrent boxes paid for with btc 917783;1415754060;asciilifeform;expensive proposition if they have short life expectancy. 917784;1415754066;ben_vulpes;temporary storage paid for with btc 917785;1415754089;asciilifeform;see above 917786;1415754091;thestringpuller;host on #b-a satellite in space 917787;1415754120;asciilifeform;lol. 917788;1415754145;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform im not so sure there's that much validity to that demonstration. 917789;1415754159;mircea_popescu;the entire us carrier approach to war is expensive and unwieldy. 917790;1415754164;asciilifeform;not only this, but it helps to be able to link to a document in a thread. 917791;1415754181;asciilifeform;instead of crapping out a 'go find it, it's there somewhere on the net' 917792;1415754189;mircea_popescu;anything specific ? 917793;1415754194;asciilifeform;'spies' 917794;1415754202;mircea_popescu;the thing linked above ? 917795;1415754205;asciilifeform;aha 917796;1415754212;asciilifeform;a curious little vintage monograph 917797;1415754223;mircea_popescu;so what's the problem ? 917798;1415754238;asciilifeform;iirc i posted it once, to a 'file host' thing, but of course long gone. 917799;1415754252;BingoBoingo;I've located a copy. https://duckduckgo.com/?q=running+rings+of+spies+kickass.to&t=canonical 917800;1415754253;assbot;running rings of spies kickass.to at DuckDuckGo 917801;1415754263;mircea_popescu;!s suvorov6 917802;1415754263;assbot;0 results for 'suvorov6' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=suvorov6 917803;1415754273;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: that's not a copy 917804;1415754286;mircea_popescu;dat tokenization. anyway, iirc it was on the same place last tiem 917805;1415754294;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: the top link is to a torrent which may or may not be alive 917806;1415754302;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: It's a path that leads to a copy, that lives 917807;1415754307;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: and may or may not be the actual scan or a questionable ocr turd 917808;1415754320;BingoBoingo;Pretty shitty photoscan, but scan 917809;1415754322;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: i want to link to an actual document. with a known sha2. 917810;1415754332;asciilifeform;or it isn't a real discussion. 917811;1415754343;*;undata will just write said magnet link thing and report back 917812;1415754346;BingoBoingo;That's a harder problem. 917813;1415754375;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform lemme see here. 917814;1415754377;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: this is a different piece, not suvorov 917815;1415754381;undata;seems like seeding a trackerless torrent with your thing and a signature of the thing solves this 917816;1415754390;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: american 'can't say exactly who i was' vietnam vet. 917817;1415754400;mircea_popescu;the ideal would be to have a permanent file storage that works by incrementally adding chickens to the task 917818;1415754412;mircea_popescu;but taking chickens away degrades performance but not storage ? 917819;1415754418;asciilifeform;aha. 917820;1415754422;BingoBoingo;Known sha2 for scans of print text is a very hard problem unless designated agent goes to Paladin press, buys dead trees, and signs hashlists 917821;1415754434;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: easy problem if canonical scan. 917822;1415754437;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo the other way. 917823;1415754438;asciilifeform;as in, the one you and i read. 917824;1415754440;mircea_popescu;just make a scan. 917825;1415754484;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform incidentally, there is a lot of overlap between the problem of packing bits and the problems of blockchain and crypto isn;'t there. 917826;1415754492;asciilifeform;packing bits? 917827;1415754498;mircea_popescu;lzw or w/e 917828;1415754527;asciilifeform;the spittoon is all in one strand, yes 917829;1415754540;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: but perhaps you had something more specific in mind 917830;1415754552;mircea_popescu;well, the problem ehre is this : immutable datastore comes with the problem of, who may add to it. 917831;1415754560;mircea_popescu;if not, straight to spam pile. 917832;1415754576;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: i assume you studied some of the known bitcoin predecessors. 917833;1415754579;BingoBoingo;Fuck, whoever made this scan isn't very good at the whole scanning books business 917834;1415754586;asciilifeform;there was one called 'eternity' 917835;1415754589;mircea_popescu;myeah. 917836;1415754614;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform in short, your complaint is legitimate but the solution unobvious. 917837;1415754618;asciilifeform;in fact, many folks arrived at 'proof of work' and something akin to our current concept of 'blockchain' by attempting to answer the 'who gets to add bits' question. 917838;1415754649;asciilifeform;http://www.cl.cam.ac.uk/~rja14/eternity/eternity.html 917839;1415754651;asciilifeform;^ that one. 917840;1415754665;asciilifeform;and a few others 917841;1415754679;asciilifeform;('eternity' was one of the more braindamaged ones, so perhaps that wasn't it) 917842;1415754711;mircea_popescu;problem goes deeper : if "who can add is finite" then you have a point of failure baked in quite nastily. 917843;1415754726;asciilifeform;aha. 917844;1415754759;mircea_popescu;for that matter, the current state of the web, 50% or more linkrotted away 917845;1415754765;mircea_popescu;is clear testament to this being a major problem. 917846;1415754771;mircea_popescu;i know i've ranted about it on occasion. 917847;1415754801;asciilifeform;it's a serious problem, and folks who don't routinely discuss 20+ year old, moderately-obscure documents don't even know the beginning of it. 917848;1415754825;asciilifeform;it goes beyond 'where do i put l337 w4r3z' 917849;1415754857;mircea_popescu;how about this canonical formulation of it : most of what i know i know alone, because the "internet" is made out of knowledge in the sense the earth is made out of grass. 917850;1415754858;asciilifeform;warez censor is not the only mouse in the warehouse. there's moth and dust, father time. 917851;1415754860;undata;asciilifeform: what about torrent sites with seed ratio requirements? They seem to have done well as archives, even of the obscure. 917852;1415754890;mircea_popescu;and the body out of hair 917853;1415754926;asciilifeform;undata: 'obscure' here is almost by definition - that which is not found on 'pirate bay' and the like 917854;1415754943;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform how's the russian thing work ? mostly as undata's idea, right ? loosely affiliated, % enforcing warez sites 917855;1415754956;asciilifeform;aha. 917856;1415754968;asciilifeform;it also works by having some specificity - as in, 'only books that were actual books once' 917857;1415754984;asciilifeform;and the language barrier mostly (not always!) keeps enemy at bay 917858;1415755011;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform i'll tell you something about obscure. perhaps the best franchise in the history of western pornography is kink.com. best in purely aesthetic terms. now, their various brands, things such as i dunno, publichumiliation exist on the piratebay in the sense of maybe a dozen items out of what, 500 ? 1k total ? 917859;1415755018;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: none of the major 'libraries' have '% ratios' though 917860;1415755033;mircea_popescu;yes, it serves someone wanting to jack off just fine, because nobody needs three hours of video to rub one out 917861;1415755054;mircea_popescu;suppose i wanted to do something of the substance of actual reason, knowledge, science. da fuck do i do ? pray ? 917862;1415755089;mircea_popescu;imagine if libraries of the paper variety were organised on the principle that "well if you want something to read we prolly have a coupla books" 917863;1415755091;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: another example. want w4r3z copy of 'winblows' ? easy as fart. want the leaked microshit source? (why!?!? but that's another question) - harder. 917864;1415755096;mircea_popescu;rather than "we have every book ever made" 917865;1415755098;asciilifeform;though it's out there. 917866;1415755120;asciilifeform;well if you want something to read we prolly have a coupla books << prison library. 917867;1415755127;undata;the sites I'm thinking of solve this by making upload credits capital you spend on download, effectively 917868;1415755135;mircea_popescu;in fact, the way digital stuff is handled, it reminds me of how books would be handled in the house a functionally illiterate peasant from the 1900s. 917869;1415755144;undata;it seems that kind of incentive structure could be tweaked to reward preserving the obscure 917870;1415755145;mircea_popescu;"and here is where we keep the books" . "what's in them ? " " letter" 917871;1415755148;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: that's precisely it. 917872;1415755172;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: reminds me of a tale from the pet. she was once given a bag of 'books' by a 'friend' who vaguely recalled that she 'likes reading books.' 917873;1415755187;asciilifeform;(it was all crud long-overdue for the recycling vats from the moment of printing, naturally) 917874;1415755192;mircea_popescu;careful what she says, next she gets a bag of fucks. 917875;1415755265;mircea_popescu;but the problem is not merely storage. retrieval is up there too. consider the simple task "let us watc ha movie". the girls now have to find one. i've distributed more lashes for failure to find good films than for all other reasons combined, in 2014. 917876;1415755267;asciilifeform;undata: you need 'wot' baked in or you get idiots gaming the ratio system, the way they did on 1990s bbs. 917877;1415755273;asciilifeform;zip-o-crud generators. 917878;1415755278;mircea_popescu;while the exercise is instructive, i don't really believe it's the girls' fault exactly. 917879;1415755280;undata;asciilifeform: certainly 917880;1415755282;mircea_popescu;how do you find a good film ? 917881;1415755291;mircea_popescu;as in, "only films that were actually films once" 917882;1415755334;asciilifeform;this, as often is, - is one of the 'insufficient wot in extant system' cases. 917883;1415755361;undata;given a BTC transaction which represents an "item" in the catalog, there could as well be transactions which refer to that one and rate it 917884;1415755363;undata;and so on. 917885;1415755370;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform which is why the "unspecified" website i asked for someone to make a month ago and punkman volunteered is EXACTLY a wot-driven film database. 917886;1415755374;asciilifeform;(for reading fiction, some folks actually use primitive 'wot' systems like 'goodreads') 917887;1415755377;mircea_popescu;"see the films that people you trust liked" 917888;1415755409;asciilifeform;http://bookriot.com/2012/07/31/goodreads-v-librarything-part-one 917889;1415755409;assbot;Goodreads v. LibraryThing- Part One - BOOK RIOT 917890;1415755423;asciilifeform;(a review of the very primitive state of the art) 917891;1415755435;asciilifeform;for film - no idea, if exists 917892;1415755459;asciilifeform;!s kyristor 917893;1415755460;assbot;7 results for 'kyristor' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=kyristor 917894;1415755460;mircea_popescu;ure it exists. "metacritic rating" 917895;1415755470;mircea_popescu;hear what five hundred internet imbeciles thought about racism in THIS film 917896;1415755494;asciilifeform;^ my ancient failed attempt at 'wot.' was to be used with another (never happened) apparatus, 'sollipse,' for running a 'multiverse' of wots. 917897;1415755531;asciilifeform;(an individual could be a 'node' on any number of orthogonal wots, such as film tastes, mathematics, etc) 917898;1415755546;mircea_popescu;this is where it's headed. 917899;1415755560;asciilifeform;in the sense that it is the only solution - yes. 917900;1415755606;asciilifeform;in fact, 'reddit' gizmos can be seen as a specially broken case of wot - having the same relationship to wot as baited rat poison has to food 917901;1415755621;mircea_popescu;as per http://trilema.com/2014/spamming-reddit-an-experiment/ :) 917902;1415755622;assbot;Spamming reddit, an “experiment”. pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. 917903;1415755624;asciilifeform;which is, that to the victim's nose it distantly resembles the real thing - but has an ulterior motive baked in. 917904;1415755642;mircea_popescu;mircea_popescu The idea being that any current �social media� website is a defective implementation of the WoT, what I intend to do is prove this point. Because the sort of idiots involved won�t figure it on their own, and the assholes a la zuck and conde nast have about as much interest in the matter as your random bank cares about getting off shitty buggy ms software. 917905;1415755653;asciilifeform;aha. 917906;1415755665;asciilifeform;except that it goes beyond active disinterest. 917907;1415755671;mircea_popescu;mebbe. 917908;1415755680;asciilifeform;they're certainly interested - in something quite else. 917909;1415755691;mircea_popescu;unsovereignty ? 917910;1415755705;asciilifeform;vox sheepuli. 917911;1415755706;mircea_popescu;"god help us if people are in charge of their own lives, anything b ut that" ? 917912;1415755727;asciilifeform;'god help us if the thinking folks find one another' 917913;1415755731;mircea_popescu;right. 917914;1415755739;mircea_popescu;now see, THAT is a fortress worth making 917915;1415755744;mircea_popescu;which is why it's here. 917916;1415755753;asciilifeform;well, the pieces are here. 917917;1415755771;mircea_popescu;a fortress is first and foremost an embodied fuck you. 917918;1415755775;asciilifeform;aha. 917919;1415755784;mircea_popescu;just how well fortified it actually is =- that's a technical discussion' 917920;1415755799;mircea_popescu;but the unbreached fortress is exactly as fortified as any other unbreached fortress : infinitely so. 917921;1415755843;mircea_popescu;(and by "it's here" i means specifically, b-a) 917922;1415755848;asciilifeform;well, yes 917923;1415755918;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: incidentally, i lifted 'kyristor' name not from the obvious place, but from a zoological exploration of a peculiarly malignant femiderp re: 'kyriarchy' 917924;1415755950;asciilifeform;decided that it would be a particularly apt name for the ideal 'crucifix' against the vampires in question. 917925;1415755960;asciilifeform;but that's ancient history. 917926;1415756021;asciilifeform;interestingly, mr mold invented almost precisely the same scheme, afaik independently, neither of us lifted from the other 917927;1415756036;asciilifeform;imho it is an inevitable discovery, like semiconductor. 917928;1415756092;asciilifeform;(a rusty nail semiconducts, if you know where on it to stick a probe. this is how 'coherer' - first radio receiver - worked, though its inventor did not know this) 917929;1415756145;mircea_popescu;nothing as indomitable as an idea whose time has come eh 917930;1415756171;asciilifeform;;;google railroading time 917931;1415756172;gribble;Quote by Robert A. Heinlein: “When railroading time comes you can ...: ; Q&N: The Door into Summer (Heinlein) - Hjkeen.net: ; Railroad Time - Home Page - TimeZone: (1 more message) 917932;1415756179;mircea_popescu;"hard to keep people from observing water is wet once their wanderings take them to an ocean" 917933;1415756186;asciilifeform;^ 917934;1415757037;asciilifeform;no one will even think to mention 'wot-based' gizmo in the future, just as when you buy a pc now - the crate does not bother to say 'semiconductor-based' 917935;1415757054;asciilifeform;it's merely obvious. 917936;1415757106;asciilifeform;it's not even a 'technology' in the sense semiconductor is - but more as arithmetic is. 917937;1415757124;asciilifeform;namely - if you're operating using some other, incompatible abstraction - the result will be demonstrable nonsense. 917938;1415758067;decimation;re: spies << Stierlitz is a psychologist 917939;1415758095;decimation;I was amused the reference to the lady morse operator's "hand" 917940;1415758124;asciilifeform;morse 'hand' is a thing, ask anyone who still deals with it 917941;1415758137;undata;asciilifeform: how does it compare to emacs claw? 917942;1415758147;asciilifeform;not to be confused with 'telegrapher's glass arm' disease 917943;1415758154;asciilifeform;'hand' here is in the sense of 'handwriting' 917944;1415758159;undata;ah 917945;1415758176;decimation;asciilifeform: when I visited Bletchley park, they told a story about this. Apparently the germans initially sent the 'headers' in enigma traffic in plaintext before the message 917946;1415758197;decimation;the uk operators at the "Y" stations became familiar with the 'hand' of each german operator 917947;1415758214;asciilifeform;hand >> incidentally, this was part of the reason why shortly after the war, most intelligence orgs moved to mechanical (punched tape) operation 917948;1415758236;decimation;later, when the germans started to encrypt the 'headers', they were able to sort out each crypto link by the intercept operator's ability to recognize his opponent's hand 917949;1415758244;decimation;as nearly all enigma traffic was sent by hand morse 917950;1415758245;asciilifeform;the ru version was a very simple stapler-shaped gizmo that punched holes in old 35mm film 917951;1415758253;asciilifeform;it was then fed into the telegraph. 917952;1415758265;asciilifeform;i have no idea what usa used, probably same. 917953;1415758285;decimation;actually morse was initially 'machine' sent 917954;1415758297;asciilifeform;it was mainly to shorten total 'on air' time, to make triangulation harder 917955;1415758322;decimation;the original idea was to mark a strip of paper with the morse characters, but very soon after the telegraph was introduced it was realized that operators could send by ear much more quickly 917956;1415758332;asciilifeform;and reduce mistakes (professional 'morse man' and skilled 'illegal' is like asking to hire a pro racing driver who is also an expert cocksucker) 917957;1415758370;decimation;yeah I also found it interesting in 'stierlitz' that he didn't send his own morse/radio traffic 917958;1415758389;asciilifeform;after the war, it was almost unheard of to have 2way traffic at all 917959;1415758398;asciilifeform;most return comms from illegals were via 'dead drop' 917960;1415758402;asciilifeform;simple, 'cheap and angry' 917961;1415758412;asciilifeform;grunt under diplomatic cover - fetches it. 917962;1415758418;mircea_popescu; it's not even a 'technology' in the sense semiconductor is - but more as arithmetic is. << quite agreed, 917963;1415758428;mircea_popescu;and to think the derps are going o nbout "blockchain technology". as if. 917964;1415758446;asciilifeform;decimation: 2way traffic is a forced wartime thing. when you have no one in diplomatic cover behind the lines. 917965;1415758490;decimation;asciilifeform: in Stierlitz, the poor English translation for the word that refers to when a spy is killed 'doing his duty' seems to be 'failed' 917966;1415758506;asciilifeform;провал? 917967;1415758510;decimation;"Stierlitz knew he would 'fail' if he did x" 917968;1415758514;asciilifeform;literally, 'fell through' 917969;1415758521;asciilifeform;as in, through a hole in the street 917970;1415758521;decimation;I get the feeling that's the wrong translation at times 917971;1415758532;asciilifeform;the closest translation would probably be 'blown' 917972;1415758533;decimation;so it's kind of idiomaitc 917973;1415758535;asciilifeform;(as in 'cover') 917974;1415758537;decimation;yeah 917975;1415758596;asciilifeform;(for folks reading this who have no idea - there was not a film called 'stierlitz', but it is the cover name of the hero in iconic ru multiparter '17 moments of spring.') 917976;1415758629;mircea_popescu;english has the funcitonal equivalent, "the deal fell through" 917977;1415758633;BingoBoingo;From the lulzmines: "Batman is a rich white psychopath who beats up poor people for fun. He is not now and never has been a hero." 917978;1415758636;asciilifeform;aha. 917979;1415758655;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo also, blackface. 917980;1415758659;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=26-03-2014#582399 917981;1415758659;assbot;Logged on 26-03-2014 03:30:35; asciilifeform: nitpick with pediwikia - the 'batman' in the epic is not wearing a 'batman' costume. he's a bloke who smashes heads with a baseball bat. 917982;1415758692;mircea_popescu;"By their nature as vigilantes, acting outside or above the law, most superheroes have a troubling undercurrent of aristocratic, undemocratic, authoritarian values." 917983;1415758699;mircea_popescu;how dare they be better than the scumcrowd!11 917984;1415758712;decimation;yeah sorry for the shorthand. You can view the whole series here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zIzOma9Pyv8&list=PLA6274B0CEF58CEB0 (or download with youtube-dl) 917985;1415758713;assbot;17 Moments of Spring - 1/12 - 1/7 - YouTube 917986;1415758723;asciilifeform;re: scumcrowd: 917987;1415758726;asciilifeform;;;google harrison bergeron 917988;1415758727;gribble;Harrison Bergeron - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: ; Harrison Bergeron - Tnellen.com: ; Full text of "Harrison Bergeron (& Activity)" - Internet Archive: 917989;1415758736;asciilifeform;(if there remains alive even one who has not read it) 917990;1415758764;mircea_popescu;i have no idea what h b is. 917991;1415758773;mircea_popescu;oh, vonnegut. kay 917992;1415758774;asciilifeform;short story by k. vonnegut. 917993;1415758793;asciilifeform;about a 'glorious future of ikvaliti.' 917994;1415758817;asciilifeform;[insert w4r3z] 917995;1415758822;*;mircea_popescu is reading it. 917996;1415758967;undata;asciilifeform: social media is the shriek of the headphones 917997;1415758980;undata;what were we talking about? 917998;1415758982;asciilifeform;undata: except - for now - optional. 917999;1415758999;mircea_popescu;And she had to apologize at once for her voice, which was a very unfair voice for a woman to use. Her voice was a warm, luminous, timeless melody. "Excuse me-" she said, and she began again, making her voice absolutely uncompetitive. 918000;1415759001;mircea_popescu;lol. 918001;1415759049;assbot;RetroUpriser +v failed; L1: 0, L2: 0 918002;1415759055;xanthyos;!up RetroUpriser 918003;1415759083;RetroUpriser;Care to play a game of chess, mircea_popescu? 918004;1415759088;BingoBoingo;A doomed by the bong case heats up http://www.washingtonpost.com/investigations/highway-seizure-in-iowa-fuels-debate-about-asset-forfeiture-laws/2014/11/10/10f725fc-5ec3-11e4-8b9e-2ccdac31a031_story.html 918005;1415759089;assbot;Highway seizure in Iowa fuels debate about asset-forfeiture laws - The Washington Post 918006;1415759102;mircea_popescu;ugh, ive not played chess in like a decade or two 918007;1415759153;RetroUpriser;Well the offer stands should you change your mind 918008;1415759230;mircea_popescu;why thank you. 918009;1415759236;mircea_popescu;heck, why the hell not. 918010;1415759255;mircea_popescu;what do you want, heads or tails ? 918011;1415759267;RetroUpriser;You can choose first 918012;1415759277;decimation;asciilifeform: "fiat 'was down'" << sometimes this happens because a geomagnetic storm knocks down a satellite - for example most gas stations in the us clear credit cards through satellite 918013;1415759278;RetroUpriser;And i was thinking of using chess.com 918014;1415759308;mircea_popescu;i dun have a login 918015;1415759309;asciilifeform;'Minutes later, Trooper Vanderwiel arrived with the dog, which alerted on the back area of the car. That gave Simmons and Vanderwiel probable cause to search the vehicle without a warrant or the driver�s consent.' << lol re: the obvious implication, the beasts are trained to 'signal' on command rather than search 918016;1415759323;asciilifeform;!s clever hans 918017;1415759324;assbot;0 results for 'clever hans' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=clever+hans 918018;1415759336;RetroUpriser;How would you like to play? 918019;1415759347;asciilifeform;http://www.kbrhorse.net/tra/hans.html 918020;1415759352;xanthyos;http://en.lichess.org/ << no login needed 918021;1415759352;assbot;lichess.org • Free Online Chess 918022;1415759367;decimation;yeah my understanding is that the results of the 'search dogs' are always an objective basis upon which one can search 918023;1415759381;asciilifeform;search dog != confiscation dog 918024;1415759391;mircea_popescu;bah all these people and their javascript already 918025;1415759394;asciilifeform;(if the latter are not yet standard - they are being grown.) 918026;1415759399;decimation;the dog smells money on you 918027;1415759405;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: dig out that 'ipad' 918028;1415759417;asciilifeform;chess is more or less what it's for. 918029;1415759424;BingoBoingo; 'Minutes later, Trooper Vanderwiel arrived with the dog, which alerted on the back area of the car. That gave Simmons and Vanderwiel probable cause to search the vehicle without a warrant or the driver�s consent.' << lol re: the obvious implication, the beasts are trained to 'signal' on command rather than search << Pretty much an open secret by now 918030;1415759429;mircea_popescu;i dun have an ipad here ;/ 918031;1415759449;asciilifeform;no civilian computer at all? 918032;1415759487;mircea_popescu;fuck it ima play ascii art chess. 918033;1415759489;decimation;http://oglaf.com/heel/ 918034;1415759490;assbot;Heel 918035;1415759506;xanthyos;you don't need to physically see the same board 918036;1415759512;xanthyos;just announce moves 918037;1415759517;RetroUpriser;this is true, we could play through text 918038;1415759521;BingoBoingo;http://i.kinja-img.com/gawker-media/image/upload/s--O-wxNBJR--/c_fit,fl_progressive,q_80,w_636/omamfciqg1uiper3pdrj.jpg << Murican ingenuity 918039;1415759525;BingoBoingo;!s d6 918040;1415759526;assbot;12 results for 'd6' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=d6 918041;1415759531;mircea_popescu;RetroUpriser ima do algebraic notation in about 5 minutes lemme type out some letters 918042;1415759593;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: likely hand-loaded shells with almost no powder 918043;1415759598;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: or would have ruptured 918044;1415759633;mircea_popescu;http://pastebin.com/gqUgekiU upregulation and downregulation is a thing < it's funny how many people forget this 918233;1415764470;thestringpuller;http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/2lzmji/i_am_a_student_at_mit_who_recently_received_100/ 918234;1415764489;mircea_popescu;joecool i was just keeping his hands to the coals on the technicality of it. "retaining milk digestion past childood is a recent adaptation" etc. 918235;1415764557;mircea_popescu;thestringpuller so basically, "mit sucks" ? 918236;1415764566;mircea_popescu;maybe they should start small, give the bright kids there lightbulbs 918237;1415764571;asciilifeform;!s mit battery 918238;1415764572;assbot;11 results for 'mit battery' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=mit+battery 918239;1415764576;asciilifeform;^ obligatory 918240;1415764623;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform afaik, the fermentation makes it accessible to wussies 918241;1415764691;nubbins`;http://imgur.com/JXEDCf3 918242;1415764692;assbot; imgur: the simple image sharer 918243;1415764707;PeterL;by the way, I added code to scoopbot, now if he disconnects he should reconnect, hopefully this will keep him running 918244;1415764720;mircea_popescu;splendid. 918245;1415764727;nubbins`;anyone know if you can carry money in a regular wheelbarrow or do they make ones w/ nets to keep the cash from blowing away? 918246;1415764739;assbot;Last 1 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/03RPEVV.txt ) 918247;1415764739;asciilifeform;!b 1 918248;1415764752;mircea_popescu;i am still frozen from having read that. 918249;1415764764;PeterL;nubbins`: use a paperweight? 918250;1415764790;nubbins`;currently using a couple of cookie sheets, but they slide around 918251;1415764799;asciilifeform;easy answer to riddle: money is typically heavy and does not blow away. 918252;1415764802;asciilifeform;benjies - might 918253;1415764802;nubbins`;asciilifeform actually knows a fellow who lost lactose digestion as adult <<< this happened to my wife 918254;1415764816;joecool;happened to my ex 918255;1415764819;joecool;must be a canadian problem 918256;1415764849;nubbins`;lactose-free dairy stuff is more common these days 918257;1415764863;nubbins`;you can get president's choice lactose-free cheddar AND marble now :0 918258;1415764864;asciilifeform;given that gene expression is a thing, this is actually a very easy way to give yourself food allergies 918259;1415764874;asciilifeform;simply abstain from something for a spell 918260;1415764884;joecool;nubbins`: it is, can buy regular milk without lactose and even ice cream 918261;1415764888;asciilifeform;(works for a number of things) 918262;1415764890;nubbins`;yup 918263;1415764892;joecool;or eat lots of lactase 918264;1415764905;nubbins`;the lactase pills even stopped working 918265;1415764931;nubbins`;i mean, old cheddar doesn't have much lactose to begin with. 918266;1415764953;joecool;i told her this too, she never had an issue with aged cheeses 918267;1415764993;dignork;nubbins`: they just make them from money: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wWhI4gi9nNk 918268;1415764994;assbot;Extreme wheelbarrowing - YouTube 918269;1415764995;assbot; you know they put lactose in lactase pills 918270;1415765065;nubbins`;you got it all wrong buddy 918271;1415765079;nubbins`;stick to what ya know 918272;1415765851;PeterL;assbot: you know they put lactose in lactase pills <<< wth assbot? 918273;1415765887;assbot; what, its true 918274;1415765889;BingoBoingo;assbot is the bot with the hero butt 918275;1415765923;PeterL;is somebody playing with assbot? 918276;1415765987;BingoBoingo;I doubt it. Prolly a new feature. 918277;1415766389;ben_vulpes;things about ios 8 that drive me insane 918278;1415766398;ben_vulpes;app store search results are sorted above my installed apps 918279;1415766484;assbot; PeterL, have you seen the movie 'being john malkovich'? 918280;1415766918;cazalla;woot, cherries in season 918281;1415767209;ben_vulpes;on an entirely different topic, i'd like to derp in public about bisection in hunt of the commits that unwedged 0.5.3 918282;1415767271;ben_vulpes;my plan at the moment is to wait for my 0.5.3 binary to wedge itself, and then write a script that hooks into the git 'bisect' tool. 918283;1415767374;ben_vulpes;this script will take the wedged blockchain on disk; copy it into the testing dir; compile bitcoind from a different point in the source tree; and boot it pointed at the wedged blockchain; and check to see if the output of 'bitcoind getblockcount' has gone up 918284;1415767397;ben_vulpes;if yes, mark as good with git bisect and proceed with binary search, repeating the above process until the unwedging commit is discovered. 918285;1415767418;decimation;ben_vulpes: won't you need much disk space per 'try'? 918286;1415767438;ben_vulpes;2x the size of the wedged blockchain 918287;1415767445;ben_vulpes;one for copying into the dir, one for launching from. 918288;1415767466;ben_vulpes;if i'm not being clear, i plan to clobber the data dir on each run. 918289;1415767652;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: doubtful plan 918290;1415767668;ben_vulpes;asciilifeform: illuminate me 918291;1415767668;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: wedging almost certainly involves what ends up being saved as blockchain 918292;1415767673;asciilifeform;rather than how it is decoded 918293;1415767688;ben_vulpes;ah ha 918294;1415767707;ben_vulpes;well then shit i should copy this datadir while its yet unwedged 918295;1415767733;asciilifeform;but - assuming you've the time/energy - there is no reason not to try it 918296;1415767749;asciilifeform;(specifically - to see what, if anything, a >0.5.3 client will do with a wedged 0.5.3 chain) 918297;1415767876;ben_vulpes;asciilifeform: were i to use a chain slightly downstream of the wedging to start the process, would that be less unlikely to work? 918298;1415767903;asciilifeform;how could i know. 918299;1415767910;asciilifeform;try. 918300;1415767923;decimation;ben_vulpes: what if the 'wedging' were caused by some dependency (memory leak, etc)? 918301;1415767936;asciilifeform;the catastrophic memory leak is also a fact. 918302;1415767948;asciilifeform;not directly a cause of the wedge though 918303;1415767964;ben_vulpes; how could i know. 918304;1415767968;ben_vulpes; not directly a cause of the wedge though 918305;1415767981;ben_vulpes;there is much contrast in the implications of these statements. 918306;1415767989;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: well, i was able to determine that wedging takes place prior to memory exhaustion 918307;1415768005;asciilifeform;no data on whether common bug behind both, however. 918308;1415768036;asciilifeform;here's another tidbit from 'valgrind' runs - leak is very slow prior to wedge, then appears to speed up 918309;1415768057;decimation;I guess my point is that if something external to the turd participates in the 'wedging' then the bisect plan won't really work 918310;1415768065;decimation;or at least, will have misleading results 918311;1415768273;ben_vulpes;what would be considered "external"? 918312;1415768289;decimation;bdb for instance 918313;1415768299;asciilifeform;'boost' 918314;1415768311;decimation;if something is stomping on something in those libraries it could be quite subtle 918315;1415768330;ben_vulpes;would the libraries not be held constant between bisections? 918316;1415768355;ben_vulpes;provided i'm not doing something retarded like also updating packages 918317;1415768386;decimation;sure, but it is at least possible that is stomping on the code in such a way that it doesn't work in one version, but then works in another 918318;1415768405;decimation;not because the issue has been solved but merely because of a new arrangement in memory 918319;1415768416;asciilifeform;external << worth pointing out that i did not build with 'period' libs. 918320;1415768473;decimation;nevertheless, there is at least some chance that your experiment will reveal something interesting 918321;1415768748;BingoBoingo;http://arstechnica.com/security/2014/11/potentially-catastrophic-bug-bites-all-versions-of-windows-patch-now/ << WinBleed 918322;1415768748;assbot;Potentially catastrophic bug bites all versions of Windows. Patch now | Ars Technica 918323;1415768768;asciilifeform;s/patch/exploit 918324;1415768821;BingoBoingo;Refresh, someone found the old door, time for a new door 918325;1415769097;asciilifeform;someone << ru 918326;1415769535;mircea_popescu; if yes, mark as good with git bisect <<< interesting approach. 918327;1415769588;mircea_popescu;<decimation> ben_vulpes: what if the 'wedging' were caused by some dependency (memory leak, etc)? << this is undoubtedly the case for at least some wedgings 918328;1415769624;mircea_popescu;but anyway, the plan is promising because it engenders familiarity with the damned thing. 918329;1415769642;*;asciilifeform far more familiar than wanted to be 918330;1415769706;mircea_popescu;"A failure to properly filter specially formed packets makes it possible for attackers to execute attack code of their choosing by sending malicious traffic to a Windows-based server." << sounds like windows had a replica of heartbleed. 918331;1415769744;asciilifeform;arbitrary remote code exec 918332;1415769748;mircea_popescu;either they stole openssh code (unlikely) or the thing was actually usg-mandated (which in some interpretations is one step above what we already knew, ie sponsored) 918333;1415769749;asciilifeform;not necessarily 'replica' of anything 918334;1415769774;ben_vulpes;http://f9beb4d9.org/ml/btc-dev/2014-November/000008.html 918335;1415769775;asciilifeform;microshit is the ultimate execution of 'plausibly deniable' usg mandate. 918336;1415769796;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: neato. 918337;1415769806;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform to my eyes it reads like, "this is what they wanted", "openssh is the best implementation of it they managed to get before the whole thing got shot in the head" 918338;1415769808;ben_vulpes;asciilifeform: congratulate the author 918339;1415769835;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: you may find that my patches rely on one another 918340;1415769844;asciilifeform;('patch' util is dumb as a rock) 918341;1415769860;mircea_popescu;"Microsoft's advisory said there are no mitigating factors and no workarounds for the bug." 918342;1415769860;asciilifeform;(re: 'compile with posted patches individually' idea) 918343;1415769867;mircea_popescu;the exact definition of "notabug" 918344;1415769902;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: they almost always print 'no mitigating factors' (as in, must install update or die) 918345;1415769922;mircea_popescu;good for 'em. 918346;1415769954;asciilifeform;incidentally, some folks may wonder why microshit even bothers to announce pwnholes 918347;1415769969;asciilifeform;answer is, in many cases, they don't (often people reverse engineer them from recent patches) 918348;1415769983;asciilifeform;and when they do, part of the reason is to goad lusers to force-update 918349;1415769996;asciilifeform;so they can develop new orifices. 918350;1415770018;decimation;'the (upgrade) bell tolls for thee' 918351;1415771473;scoopbot;New post on Qntra.net by cazalla: http://qntra.net/2014/11/chris-popple-of-rbs-in-regards-to-bitcoin-were-definitely-interested-in-it/ 918352;1415771831;mircea_popescu;lol bankers saying things 918353;1415772272;BingoBoingo;;;ticker --market all 918354;1415772279;gribble;Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 381.0, vol: 11750.93845470 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 379.454, vol: 9041.59829 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 382.32, vol: 21072.94259007 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 379.7664, vol: 126158.41850000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 379.99, vol: 3.08140637 | Bitcoin-Central BTCUSD last: 373.1221, vol: 76.77593578 | Volume-weighted last average: 380.152910076 918355;1415772282;BingoBoingo;;;bc,stats 918356;1415772284;gribble;Current Blocks: 329647 | Current Difficulty: 3.960366625241841E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 330623 | Next Difficulty In: 976 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 0 days, 2 hours, 58 minutes, and 41 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 40021602789.5 | Estimated Percent Change: 1.0553 918357;1415772288;BingoBoingo;;;nethash 918358;1415772289;gribble;277659570.962 918359;1415773519;ben_vulpes;is there any interest in sharing a pre-wedge blockchain built by 0.5.3 around? 918360;1415773579;ben_vulpes;interest, value... 918361;1415777741;cazalla;mircea_popescu: yes, it serves someone wanting to jack off just fine, because nobody needs three hours of video to rub one out <<< tell that to the people that take 3 hours to find the ideal clip for that session 918362;1415778164;jurov;lol cazalla 918363;1415782074;jurov; [20141112 05:22] either they stole openssh code (unlikely) << not openssh but openssL. as it is under BSD, they're free to do whatever wit it. 918364;1415782164;jurov;ben_vulpes asciilifeform, others: when are you going to send your patches in expected format? 918365;1415782181;jurov;http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/patches.html should spring into life when they are received 918366;1415792711;BingoBoingo;https://github.com/bitcoin/bips/blob/master/bip-0065.mediawiki 918367;1415792712;assbot;bips/bip-0065.mediawiki at master · bitcoin/bips · GitHub 918368;1415793110;BingoBoingo;http://qntra.net/2014/11/internet-service-providers-stripping-starttls-flag/ 918369;1415793110;assbot;Internet Service Providers Stripping STARTTLS Flag | Qntra.net 918370;1415793525;cazalla;gee, you're up early/late BingoBoingo 918371;1415793545;BingoBoingo;Learly. 918372;1415794236;cazalla;scoopbot once again will not get the scoop 918373;1415794239;cazalla;http://qntra.net/2014/11/peter-vessenes-half-a-billion-dollars-to-be-spent-on-asics-over-18-months/ 918374;1415794239;assbot;Peter Vessenes: Half A Billion Dollars To Be Spent On ASICs Over 18 Months | Qntra.net 918375;1415794274;jurov;"defunct Bitcoin Foundation" hah 918376;1415794349;jurov;cazalla i had to rerad it several times 918377;1415794353;jurov;reread 918378;1415794375;cazalla;i've had a few drinks but what is wrong with it 918379;1415794376;jurov;first i was wtf, vessesnes is speaking in the nme of samsung? 918380;1415794401;cazalla;well why not? he speaks in the name of bitcoin 918381;1415794422;jurov;then wtf, no, ne is representing $1B investors? 918382;1415794442;jurov;and then "oh he's just yapping alone" 918383;1415794444;cazalla;it's what he said 918384;1415794464;jurov;what she said. 918385;1415794466;cazalla;"Much of the money will go directly to foundries with the highest technology in the world, including Samsung, Intel and TSMC" 918386;1415794565;cazalla;maybe i need another beer for clarity 918387;1415794570;cazalla;i'm sure it will make sense then 918388;1415794610;jurov;whatever 918389;1415794653;jurov;i read the source, too and this chuckleworthy info was snuck in the end: 918390;1415794663;jurov;The Bitcoin Foundation is in discussions with Korean firms and financial authorities about setting up a Bitcoin foundation in Korea. 918391;1415794761;cazalla;jurov, do you think the qntra article is bad? 918392;1415794876;jurov;it's just copied from source 918393;1415794901;cazalla;well, not much else one can add with something like that, his talk isn't online so difficult to know what else he said 918394;1415794903;jurov;the source continues "Samsung is one of a few chipmakers capable of producing 10-nonometer(sic!)-class chips." 918395;1415794912;jurov;which clarifies things 918396;1415794927;jurov;why he singled out samsung 918397;1415794992;jurov;i don't think it's bad, just..idk, maybe someone else can pinpoint it better 918398;1415795012;cazalla;i'll re-read tmw when sober 918399;1415795127;jurov;dunno what is with all the drinking in this chan 918400;1415795159;jurov;at home i'm okay with just a glass of beer or wine 918401;1415795172;jurov;and when not at home, i dont publish stuff :) 918402;1415795225;cazalla;well i suffer from this problem that i have 1, which is good, so 2 must be great, 3 is awesome and that's that 918403;1415795243;cazalla;it's my pain medicine as well 918404;1415795276;cazalla;medicinal alcohol 918405;1415795301;jurov;lol "medicinal alcohol" is 90% stuff :DDD 918406;1415795314;jurov;but yea i see what you mean 918407;1415795341;BingoBoingo;It's better than getting arrested in Silk Road scam 918408;1415795489;BingoBoingo;http://www.stltoday.com/news/local/crime-and-courts/nixon-tries-to-reassure-public-as-people-prepare-for-the/article_0208b781-ee94-5a1e-8c62-af5e894acf6a.html 918409;1415795490;assbot;Nixon tries to reassure public, as people prepare for the worst : News 918410;1415795644;cazalla;BingoBoingo, think it'll be bad? they only smashed a few things after zimmerman was found not guilty 918411;1415795686;BingoBoingo;Zimmerman was also a Hispanic Jew so also kind of on the minority spectrum, also not a police officer. 918412;1415796391;BingoBoingo;https://www.insidehighered.com/news/2014/08/29/professors-robots-protest-u-iowas-pink-locker-room 918413;1415796393;assbot;Professors, robots protest U. of Iowa's pink locker room @insidehighered 918414;1415799056;BingoBoingo;https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=850128.0 << Forum Drama 918415;1415799057;assbot;Apologies to anyone who read my posts last night! 918416;1415801034;BingoBoingo;Oh, systemd documented ruining people's days in the wild http://seclists.org/oss-sec/2014/q4/592 918417;1415801034;assbot;oss-sec: CVE-request: systemd-resolved DNS cache poisoning 918418;1415803474;chetty;hahahaha I just saw what has to be the funniest traffic snarl ever. The train barrier on one side is stuck and cars/busses/trucks backed up as far as the eye can see. But its a one way street and the other side is wide open, nothing stoppping people just drive to the left ... 918419;1415803497;BingoBoingo;Nice 918420;1415803587;chetty;people really are sheeps 918421;1415804379;TomServo;;;isitdown qntra.net 918422;1415804381;gribble;qntra.net is up 918423;1415804444;mike_c;down for me 918424;1415804496;TomServo;same here 918425;1415804596;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes: interest, value... << the problem with using op's blockchain is that you're basically trusting the op 918426;1415804609;mircea_popescu;not so unlike sharing privkeys from a purely bitcoin perspective 918427;1415804675;mircea_popescu;cazalla: mircea_popescu: nobody needs three hours of video to rub one out <<< tell that to the people that take 3 hours to find the ideal clip for that session << well yeah, i kinda fucked up there didn't i. 918428;1415804699;mircea_popescu;the idea isn't that jacking off is less of an intellectual activity than learning chemistry or reading nabokov, so we pile on it. 918429;1415804719;mircea_popescu;the idea was that the young and stupid are readily satisfied by the current model, on account of their vast ignorance. but nobody else is. 918430;1415804968;mircea_popescu;jurov: not openssh but openssL. as it is under BSD, they're free to do whatever wit it. << yeah openssl. not a question of under bsd or not, idea was more like : the proof that USG.HB was a thing, that was then implemented as openssl.HB is the fact that looky, a Win.HB apparently exists(ed). like, if you find a goat on a field you may think you've both discovered and invented the goat. but if you then later find anothe 918431;1415804969;mircea_popescu;r goat, you may now believe you discovered 'em, but they are being produced somewhere else and were invented by someone else. 918432;1415805004;mircea_popescu;this distinction is exactly the distinction between a bug with security implications and a deliberate security hole : they are both security holes. the finder of the bug both discovers and invents that security hole. 918433;1415805014;mircea_popescu;the finder of the deliberate thing however merely discovers it. someone else invented it. 918434;1415807663;nubbins`;<+chetty> people really are sheeps <<< occasionally when i'm in an elevator alone and it stops to let more people on, i face the back of the car to see if others will follow suit 918435;1415807669;nubbins`;works about 20% of the time 918436;1415807740;asciilifeform;my favourite 'sheep experiment' is at a place not far from where i live, where one can rent 'sea bicycles' - little boats that one can pedal around. usually folks cluster together, for no good reason. pedal to an empty part of the water, and dozens follow... 918437;1415807770;mircea_popescu;lol 918438;1415807779;mircea_popescu;i hear that's how serial killers get started 918439;1415807798;asciilifeform;it had no practical consequence, but blew my mind when i discovered it many years ago. 918440;1415807802;mircea_popescu;!up saifedean 918441;1415807820;mircea_popescu;no scoopbot, no peterl... wha happened here! 918442;1415807829;mircea_popescu;;;later tell peterl seems teh code didn't werk. 918443;1415807829;gribble;The operation succeeded. 918444;1415807907;saifedean;"so the paleo fad diet experts among us" Fad? Humans have been eating paleo from before they were humans. Grains, seeds, and sugars are the passing fad, it's only been 10,000 years or so, and it won't be much longer... 918445;1415807968;mircea_popescu;now listen here. the fact that the turks have worn salvari for x centuries does not mean a suburban kid showing up for some school function in silken longpants isn't following a fad. 918446;1415807977;mircea_popescu;you are not a prehistoric man. you will never be one. 918447;1415808028;saifedean;But you will become healthier, stronger, smarter and happier eating like one, rather than grinding your brain to find excuses for why you shouldn't! 918448;1415808034;*;asciilifeform can't wait to see folks follow the 'logical' paleo conclusion, and climb back into the trees 918449;1415808060;mike_c;which part of the paleo religion demands proselytization? 918450;1415808074;saifedean;"what the fuck do you do about sushi ?" You Sashimi. Really, sushi is just poor people sashimi, to get bloated with cheap grain. Sashimi is the real deal. 918451;1415808082;asciilifeform;mike_c: the part when you're high out of your mind on placebocin 918452;1415808111;mike_c;placebocin is the best drugz 918453;1415808135;mircea_popescu;saifedean you'll generally find poor people foods are better than "rich people" foods. 918454;1415808144;mircea_popescu;pork an' beans ftw. 918455;1415808152;saifedean;also, beans, lentils, and grains are frowned upon in the Paleo Cult. Our lord and saviour Art De Vany would smite you. 918456;1415808158;mike_c;pork & rice & beans even better 918457;1415808167;mircea_popescu;srsly, that's your idea, instead of a nice pot of beans cooked with a smoked leg over a day and a night 918458;1415808171;mircea_popescu;you want to just eat the leg ? 918459;1415808187;mircea_popescu;mike_c i dun care for rice in that one, but hey, matter of ethnocentric taste. 918460;1415808196;mircea_popescu;;;ud art de vany 918461;1415808197;gribble;http://ro.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Vany%20Vicious | Tattoo Artist and Model from Miami,FL. ... Vany Vicious is a hardcore bitch. ... de TatooLoverYEah 10 Ianuarie 2012 adaugă un clip video adaugă o imagine. 918462;1415808197;asciilifeform;dietary cargo cults are mega-lulz. 918463;1415808238;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform that's the most humorous use of "cargo cult" i ever saw, 918464;1415808246;mircea_popescu;and way the fuck beyond what i imagined posible. 918465;1415808287;punkman;check out the leaderboard http://deeds.bitcoin-assets.com/trusted 918466;1415808288;assbot;Trusted keys | #bitcoin-assets deed registry 918467;1415808296;mircea_popescu;technically, yes, immitating the trapings of paleopeople to get chimp muscular arrangements ? that's an evolutionary choice already made for us, 500k years ago or so. 918468;1415808321;mircea_popescu;punkman how's teh rating work ? 918469;1415808329;punkman;l1+l2 of assbot 918470;1415808340;mircea_popescu;lol mk. 918471;1415808342;*;asciilifeform wonders how often taleb-like figures wander into 'paleo' cult strange, after they really felt stronger - but not from eating raw antelope, but from the real win of being set free from workschwitz - that being, sleeping ad libitum. 918472;1415808360;mircea_popescu;scalar sums of graphs still broken. 918473;1415808379;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform you know, i just did that ? 918474;1415808383;mircea_popescu;it feels fine. 918475;1415808502;nubbins`;fad diets are a pretty good lel 918476;1415808539;mircea_popescu;as far as that goes, there's way worse ones than "stop eating all that refined sugar and chill it with the starch too" 918477;1415808552;nubbins`;p just started keeping track of calories in/out and balancing carbs/protein/fat 918478;1415808590;nubbins`;it's been less than a year, she can deadlift her own body weight and has dropped ~30lbs :0 918479;1415808616;nubbins`;i keep saying i won't be impressed til she can deadlift me, but secretly... ;p 918480;1415808662;mircea_popescu;who the fuck can't lift their own body weight 918481;1415808670;mircea_popescu;isn't that esentially what a chinup is ? 918482;1415808722;*;nubbins` thinks 918483;1415808734;nubbins`;there's like 6 different types of chinups, all work different muscle sets 918484;1415808744;mircea_popescu;but the point still remains, you are lifting your own weight 918485;1415808761;nubbins`;you're pulling the ceiling down, vs lifting something heavy up 918486;1415808791;mircea_popescu;i guess, but you're left picking for straws here. 918487;1415808807;mircea_popescu;!up saifedean 918488;1415808817;nubbins`;i'd wager maybe three people in here can do a single chin-up 918489;1415808818;mircea_popescu;i thought you got all buthurt and pankake'd out on us, mr paleo man. 918490;1415808830;mircea_popescu;nubbins` i can do ten. 918491;1415808841;saifedean;heh... my butt is hurtproof, my internet connection, though 918492;1415808842;nubbins`;well i guess you can loan out a few to the rest of us 918493;1415808848;nubbins`;:P 918494;1415808859;nubbins`;anyway, try deadlifting your own weight on a barbell some time 918495;1415808860;saifedean;I was saying... pork is the shittiest of meats, as pigs eat shit. Beans are crap. fish is the food of kings... as for land food, lamb is the best, followed by beef, goat, chicken, everything else, then pork. 918496;1415808864;nubbins`;and LMK how it goes. 918497;1415808880;nubbins`;saifedean pork is delicious and cheap 918498;1415808886;nubbins`;beef is the bottom of my list 918499;1415808892;mircea_popescu;incidentally, is saifedean like the first noob ever that gets away with the sort of nutty forced ideas veterans usually display here ? 918500;1415808905;nubbins`;i think vex earned that crown 918501;1415808912;saifedean;though a swedish friend tells me reindeer meat is the best of all 918502;1415808930;nubbins`;i'd love to try reindeer 918503;1415808933;mircea_popescu;human is the best of all! 918504;1415808946;nubbins`;i'd try grass-fed human 918505;1415808956;nubbins`;avg sack of shit would prolly poison you 918506;1415808960;mircea_popescu;nubbins` i wouldn't do that because i dun have the techniques and am tall. prolly spring my back / give myself a hernia. 918507;1415808977;nubbins`;well i guess it's not the same thing at all then, is it :D 918508;1415808982;*;ben_vulpes gasps 918509;1415808983;mircea_popescu;but technique is not what i thought we were discussing here. 918510;1415808983;ben_vulpes;mircea_popescu: i'd never suggest sharing a blockchain for use anger! 918511;1415808989;ben_vulpes;*in 918512;1415809016;nubbins`;if we're trying to equate chinups with deadlifts, technique is precisely what we're discussing 918513;1415809030;mircea_popescu;i thought you were all in awe of the woman's sheer muscular power 918514;1415809046;mircea_popescu;i didn't realise you were implying that by counting calories she has gained the magical wisdowm of lifting shit 918515;1415809078;saifedean;The Art de Vany I mentioned is not the one that Urban dictionary turned up, it is this man: http://www.artdevanyonline.com/ 918516;1415809079;assbot;Art De Vany on Line - Results 918517;1415809089;mircea_popescu;can it be art vandalay ? 918518;1415809092;saifedean;77 years old and could kick the collective ass of everyone on this forum 918519;1415809102;mircea_popescu;uh. 918520;1415809107;nubbins`;(a) in awe, yep (b) not even close 918521;1415809119;nubbins`;by lifting shit she gained the magical wisdom 918522;1415809138;nubbins`;by eating like a normal person and not "paleo" (wtf!) she lost weight 918523;1415809142;mircea_popescu;saifedean if i add mah assassin cult to nubbins`'s here powerlifter chick, art vandalay guy is in a world of trouble. 918524;1415809151;nubbins`;but since we all know exercise and diet are linked, things sorta got jumbled together 918525;1415809178;ben_vulpes;i weary of this paleo proselytism 918526;1415809189;mircea_popescu;that's because you're not eating right 918527;1415809194;mircea_popescu;them wheats talking outta ya. 918528;1415809194;nubbins`;yeah dude 918529;1415809207;nubbins`;if god wanted you to eat cooked meat, he woulda installed a furnace in your throat 918530;1415809224;assbot;Last 1 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/14KC96M.txt ) 918531;1415809224;mircea_popescu;!b 1 918532;1415809229;nubbins`;er wait did paleo man have fire? 918533;1415809237;mircea_popescu;sources disagree. 918534;1415809238;ben_vulpes;reminds me of someone else who spoke endlessly on the topic of wifi 918535;1415809243;nubbins`;did he have beef, pork, and chicken? 918536;1415809245;saifedean;hmmm.. de vany is a friend of taleb, we should invite the two of them here and have them chill with your assassin cult 918537;1415809251;mircea_popescu;nubbins` mostly squirrel. 918538;1415809254;nubbins`;ah 918539;1415809254;ben_vulpes;new meaning to "spamgun" 918540;1415809279;nubbins`;so really, a paleo diet is raw squirrel meat, berries, occasional leaves for roughage 918541;1415809289;nubbins`;sounds totally healthy and easy for modern man to adapt to 918542;1415809299;nubbins`;i can see why it's popular 918543;1415809305;mircea_popescu;anyway, re pork eats shit etc : the evidence is quite clear that humans and hyenas were mostly commensal. 918544;1415809310;mircea_popescu;humans ate principally carcass. 918545;1415809335;mircea_popescu;they also lived in the same caves, alternating each other, depending on which group had stronger pups that decade. 918546;1415809373;nubbins`;paleo timeshares 918547;1415809390;saifedean;nubbins, you have no idea how many times i have heard these non-sequiturs of arguments. briefly, no, you do NOT need to emulate a caveman's life to down to its little details. The idea is to eliminate from your diet as much as possibel all the things that are relatively recent additions to our diet, to which our bodies have not adjusted very well, and which are proven to cause most of our modern illnesses. it fucking works 918548;1415809400;nubbins`;"cmon broud, my kid has diarrhea from eating beef, let us take the cave tonight" 918549;1415809436;mircea_popescu;nubbins` nah, more like, mary jane and anne were good sluts this year, had 7 kids, 5 years later the hyenas are fucked 3 to 1. 918550;1415809443;nubbins`;saifedean see the thing is, you're treating "our bodies" as a homogenous group, when nothing could be further form the truth 918551;1415809446;nubbins`;*from 918552;1415809469;mircea_popescu;saifedean but you understand why when one proposes action on the basis of a theory, critical examination involves reviewing what would happen if that theory were applied by someone else than the proponent. 918553;1415809472;nubbins`;"our" bodies adjust to shit all the time 918554;1415809476;nubbins`;case in point: lactose 918555;1415809480;mircea_popescu;otherwise you ACTUALLY get a cult. "thios is the law and only i may know what it says" 918556;1415809510;nubbins`;you know there was a time when cheese would make any human who consumed it ill? 918557;1415809520;saifedean;nubbins no, i'm not. you're the one who is setting up charicatures of arguments for you to tear them down. i don't give two shits what you eat, you don't have to convince me. You should be trying to challenge yourself to understand what I'm saying it, or ignoring it. That you dismiss it like that is silly 918558;1415809524;nubbins`;and thye kept doing it and now i can eat pizza with impunity? 918559;1415809568;nubbins`;saifedean i literally do not have enough spare eyes to roll the appropriate amount in your direction 918560;1415809571;mircea_popescu;saifedean most of the negative reaction comes from the very marketing heavy approach. "you should challenge yourself" ? dude, this is the lordship here. you think anyone gives a shit about such puny attempts ? 918561;1415809599;*;nubbins` challenges himself to eliminate sourdough from diet 918562;1415809604;nubbins`;wait, that's retarded. no i don't. 918563;1415809617;mircea_popescu;but it'd be a challenge! and you're like, a 15 yo male. 918564;1415809621;nubbins`;haha 918565;1415809625;nubbins`;once upon a time 918566;1415809634;saifedean;mp, yes, sure, hence, asking questions about things makes sense. dismissing them with half-baked arguments is time-wasting. 918567;1415809639;mircea_popescu;see, THAT's why you're fat nubbins. 918568;1415809653;nubbins`;i think i'm fat because i lead a sedentary lifestyle 918569;1415809677;nubbins`;but hey, tall skinny guys get pushed around 918570;1415809679;mircea_popescu;saifedean what's being dismissed anyway ? far as i can see, the part where "eat less sugar and starch, it'll be good for you" is univerally accepted. the rest, nobody has any use for. 918571;1415809687;nubbins`;^ 918572;1415809691;mircea_popescu;nubbins` no they don't. 918573;1415809744;saifedean;that's a good start, but you need to also eat lots of animal fat, which is absolutely very good for you.. and you need to view doing carbs like an addiction, not a healthy food. 918574;1415809770;ben_vulpes;o.O 918575;1415809778;nubbins`;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vzSjiDDtlIE 918576;1415809779;assbot;Trailer Park Boys - Smokes, Let's Go - YouTube 918577;1415809800;mircea_popescu;i bought i dunno, 100 or so pairs of underwear about a decade ago. got the same things i always got ever since i was a kid. eventually they run out and holy shit has the underwear business gone nuts in the meanwhile. what the fuck are all these things even! 918578;1415809816;*;nubbins` gazes at meat grinder, fridge full of shoulder, lack of potatoes in cupboard 918579;1415809852;nubbins`;tell me more about how to be healthy 918580;1415809854;saifedean;finally, "speaking of which, do paleo guys also fuck paleo ?" < Absolutely, once you've tried a carbs-free girl, you'll never go back! 918581;1415809866;nubbins`;carbs-free :0 918582;1415809878;mircea_popescu;lmao 918583;1415809887;mircea_popescu;that is quite not what i meant. 918584;1415809903;mircea_popescu;your analogy is broken, you don't eat 150k year old meat, so you don't eat paleo in THAT sense. 918585;1415809911;ben_vulpes;dafuq is trailer park boys 918586;1415809913;mircea_popescu;what i meant is, do you fuck like a paleo guy, if you try to eat like one. 918587;1415809923;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes sounds like a band of twinks. 918588;1415809925;saifedean;you should never fuck vegetarians. your should eat vegetarians. 918589;1415809932;nubbins`;mircea_popescu acetone-breath from ketogenic diet? i'd say he does. 918590;1415809944;nubbins`;ben_vulpes canadian television, it's uh, a thing 918591;1415809951;mircea_popescu;lol knock em out, fuck 'em raw 918592;1415809985;mircea_popescu;for maximum trollage points, that pua "executive executant" derp should rebrand his nonsense as paleo dating 918593;1415810015;nubbins`;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eQc-ldoX3yI 918594;1415810016;assbot;My 10 Favorite Trailer Park Boys Moments - YouTube 918595;1415810022;mircea_popescu;now THAT'd be true scandal. hollyday derp has nfi how to "strategize", you don't attack large submissive groups like women. you attack small but desperate groups. 918596;1415810060;mircea_popescu;jurov: ben_vulpes asciilifeform, others: when are you going to send your patches in expected format? <<< for shame, you lot. 918597;1415810062;saifedean;well, my personal experience is that it does make a big difference to one's sex life... it raises testosterone levels beyond what is considered 'normal' levels today 918598;1415810070;mircea_popescu;what sort of a standardisation group is this! 918599;1415810083;mircea_popescu;saifedean so you get to work harder for the same cunt ? 918600;1415810127;saifedean;no, you get to do more for your cock 918601;1415810167;mircea_popescu;so at what point in the paleo diet do you start keeping two chicks around the house ? 918602;1415810194;saifedean;that's a prerequisite for going paleo 918603;1415810230;ben_vulpes;blue dollar's been dropping? 918604;1415810252;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes oh it was a riot, the government raped the (apparently very flimsy) black market ops. 918605;1415810266;mircea_popescu;it cut the printing short for like a week, and then launched some gossip that "it paid the debt" 918606;1415810280;mircea_popescu;dollar took a nosedive to like 11s, almost what it was in spring. 918607;1415810283;mircea_popescu;back to 13 now tho. 918608;1415810330;ben_vulpes;more momentum traders in the pese than btc huh 918609;1415810350;mircea_popescu;well, i think they just try to work on very short reserves 918610;1415810354;mircea_popescu;and even shorter experience. 918611;1415810373;mircea_popescu;most of the people i saw involved are either kids or else native spanish speakers. neither of these makes for very good basis in thought. 918612;1415810405;nubbins`;pero... pero... 918613;1415810414;mircea_popescu;pero perro. 918614;1415810467;nubbins`;:D 918615;1415810480;nubbins`;perro por favor! 918616;1415810581;mircea_popescu;and in today's funny spanish por gringos : one way to say butt in spanish is... tonel. literally, tun. 918617;1415810619;ben_vulpes;"tu tonel pesa un tonel"? 918618;1415810625;ben_vulpes;uno 918619;1415810651;mircea_popescu;i think it's a volume measure. 918620;1415810673;BingoBoingo;http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VQx1Urpcyfw 918621;1415810674;assbot;Ultimate Sex Underwear Ballbra and UnderwearPockets on CBC Dragons Den s4 e.10 - YouTube 918622;1415810676;ben_vulpes;as in mash tun? 918623;1415810707;mircea_popescu;as in 8 barrels. 918624;1415810722;mircea_popescu;(to be fair, in english the butt is a half tun anyway) 918625;1415810730;ben_vulpes;ha 918626;1415810754;nubbins`;dem weights & measures 918627;1415810773;nubbins`;my old man wrote a book once 918628;1415810822;nubbins`;i suppose the tun and the butt are in it 918629;1415811635;mircea_popescu;;;later tell vexual http://trilema.com/2014/venetian-republic-and-find-spiritual-music/ there, just for you. 918630;1415811636;assbot;Venetian Republic and Find spiritual music. pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. 918631;1415811636;gribble;The operation succeeded. 918632;1415812476;mircea_popescu;http://www.artdevanyonline.com/uploads/3/1/1/9/3119807/header_images/1392752910.jpg << what the shit is going on in the 4th image ?! 918633;1415812696;mircea_popescu;http://arthurdevany.com/case-experience.html "Estimated the delay to the production of �Once Upon A Wedding� caused by food poisoning of the cast and crew." 918634;1415812697;assbot;Case Experience - Arthur De Vany Consulting 918635;1415812746;mircea_popescu;"On behalf of Universal Studios, The project was to examine and estimate the impact of piracy on box-office revenues for Universal�s 2003 release of the motion picture The Hulk. Modeled the dynamics of box office revenue and its relation to the number of sites and downloads of a pirated copy." 918636;1415812760;mircea_popescu;this guy's made a career out of numberology. 918637;1415812819;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: http://www.contravex.com/2014/11/04/lets-cut-to-the-chase-is-la-serenissima-a-cult/ 918638;1415812820;assbot;Let’s Cut To The Chase, Is La Serenissima A Cult? | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski 918639;1415812832;mircea_popescu;wd. what gave it away ? 918640;1415812840;BingoBoingo;First blockquote 918641;1415812847;mircea_popescu;more power to ya. addy ? 918642;1415812921;BingoBoingo;1EJdNnzH9TaryxhS9Wg2VnSUqKHZgiJgx4 918643;1415812960;mircea_popescu;http://www.artdevanyonline.com/1/post/2013/09/statins-and-exercise.html << incidentally, this is an excellent point. 918644;1415812961;assbot;Statins and Exercise - Art De Vany on Line 918645;1415813007;mircea_popescu;more generally : the pharma industry, which works essentially on the "let's make random molecules and then see what happens" coupled with the fda pseudoverification theatre has managed to produce a lengthy list of very slow acting poisons. 918646;1415813028;mircea_popescu;basically stuff is selected for that "does no harm" in a particularly short sighted definition of "no". 918647;1415813086;mircea_popescu;i would wager myself to say that this very ill effect of the entire "intellectual property" charade actually outweights all the historical benefit predicated to have been accrued through its existence. 918648;1415813103;BingoBoingo;Well, that's why a family of drugs gets popular all at once and then it falls out of fashion when the long term side effects get noticed only to be replace with something that trades out the last generation's deteriment for another. 918649;1415813113;mircea_popescu;much like the mismanaged airlines of the early xxist century managed to lose AL THE MONEY ever made through flying since the invention of flight, 918650;1415813145;mircea_popescu;the idiotic us/eu pharma conglomerates have managed to outweigh all the benefit of opening trade sectrets (discussed coupla weeks ago here) 918651;1415813164;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo in particular statins are an excellent example of this insanity. 918652;1415813185;mircea_popescu;"want to destroy your kidneys over 3 or so decades while curing yourself from something that's allegedly bad ? pay us 1k a year!" 918653;1415813199;BingoBoingo;Well cholesterol controlling medication has gone through this for a few generations already. 918654;1415813206;mircea_popescu;exactly. 918655;1415813241;mircea_popescu;i mean, it's just a replay of the "we have all this fluoridated sludge from aluminum processing and other industrial processes, getting rid of it is expensive, how about getting the city to pay us to add it to the water ?" 918656;1415813252;mircea_popescu;except, on a more subtle, thus more pernicious level. 918657;1415813311;mircea_popescu;people that derp about "bitcoin changing the world" have very little idea of the changes incumbent. it's things like these. mp will never permit the pharma "economic growth engine", as a for instance. 918658;1415813332;mircea_popescu;that's a third of the us economy, and about 30% of the eu. 918659;1415813459;ben_vulpes; i would wager myself to say that this very ill effect of the entire "intellectual property" charade actually outweights all the historical benefit predicated to have been accrued through its existence. << stealing this 918660;1415813499;mircea_popescu;go right ahead. 918661;1415813559;BingoBoingo;I mean there's the rare, almost unambiguously good drug introductions. Penicillin, Cisplatin, methotraxate, Viagra, thorazine, monoclonal antibodies 918662;1415813596;mircea_popescu;tadalafil etc may be too soon to know. 918663;1415813641;mircea_popescu;im pretty sure methotrexate is not on that list. 918664;1415813675;BingoBoingo;tadalafil one of the copycats. I'm talking Sildenafil, the original, which important because the the previous option is caverject. 918665;1415813693;mircea_popescu;even so. 918666;1415813739;BingoBoingo;The thing about the listed drugs is non of them except maybe thorazine is intended to be taken until "natural death" 918667;1415813751;mircea_popescu;this is a good objection 918668;1415813758;mircea_popescu;i mean, sulpha drugs are great 918669;1415813772;mircea_popescu;the notion of taking a pill a day for the rest of your life however ... 918670;1415813786;mircea_popescu;but perhaps that may be divorced from the ensemble, it's just dumb marketing. 918671;1415813894;BingoBoingo;Cisplatin and Methotrexate make the list because maybe they clear a cancer, maybe they don't. Those are the two biggish oncology discoveries though... 918672;1415813898;mircea_popescu;anyway, off to eat. later all! 918673;1415814579;TomServo;;;bc,stats 918674;1415814580;gribble;Current Blocks: 329716 | Current Difficulty: 3.960366625241841E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 330623 | Next Difficulty In: 907 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 6 days, 11 hours, 29 minutes, and 8 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 39944661549.4 | Estimated Percent Change: 0.86102 918675;1415814605;TomServo;;;ticker 918676;1415814606;gribble;Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 420.1, Best ask: 420.78, Bid-ask spread: 0.68000, Last trade: 420.1, 24 hour volume: 28154.26058302, 24 hour low: 364.18, 24 hour high: 421.13, 24 hour vwap: 392.399632228 918677;1415814645;TomServo;Quite the ramp today. Surprised ThickAsTheives isn't around for all this action. 918678;1415814802;BingoBoingo;Yeah 918679;1415814911;BingoBoingo;Prices swing usually bring TaT out. I think this is the dark market bust bump 918680;1415815260;BingoBoingo;;;ticker 918681;1415815261;gribble;Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 434.13, Best ask: 434.41, Bid-ask spread: 0.28000, Last trade: 434.13, 24 hour volume: 29965.14739803, 24 hour low: 364.18, 24 hour high: 434.8, 24 hour vwap: 394.803918681 918682;1415815264;ben_vulpes;dang lookit her go 918683;1415815378;BingoBoingo;;;ticker 918684;1415815380;gribble;Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 431.35, Best ask: 432.06, Bid-ask spread: 0.71000, Last trade: 432.05, 24 hour volume: 30185.42680255, 24 hour low: 364.18, 24 hour high: 434.8, 24 hour vwap: 394.803918681 918685;1415815450;BingoBoingo;http://qntra.net/2014/11/bitcoin-prices-cross-430/ 918686;1415815452;assbot;Bitcoin Prices Cross $430 | Qntra.net 918687;1415815496;punkman;no more cheap coins 918688;1415815625;BingoBoingo;Wat, I just earned 0.1 BTC for reading Trilema, Vexual edition. 918689;1415815640;gernika;!s TaT 918690;1415815641;assbot;1220 results for 'TaT' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=TaT 918691;1415816446;thestringpuller;where is scoopbot 918692;1415816451;thestringpuller;scoopbot don't got the scoop? 918693;1415816482;BingoBoingo;The scoopbot always on patch seems to need work 918694;1415816552;punkman;maybe I should setup RSS plugin for notarybot 918695;1415816865;thestringpuller;notarybot is merging with scoopbot? 918696;1415816946;punkman;probably not 918697;1415816951;punkman;notary, status 918698;1415816951;notary;punkman: No pending deeds | Last bundle 1 day, 12 hours, and 28 minutes ago 918699;1415816960;punkman;I like typing that 918700;1415817170;thestringpuller;notary, make sandwich 918701;1415817364;assbot;Last 4 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/2CDPKSX.txt ) 918702;1415817364;danielpbarron;!b 4 918703;1415817588;BingoBoingo;notary, echo ;;ticker 918704;1415817910;BingoBoingo;Debian lulz https://lists.debian.org/debian-vote/2014/11/msg00144.html 918705;1415817911;assbot;Re: "done with consensus decisionmaking", "war", "rearguard battles" [was: Re: REISSUED CfV: General Resolution: Init system coupling] 918706;1415817992;BingoBoingo;!up saifedean 918707;1415818125;saifedean;thanks for the voice bingoboingo 918708;1415818144;BingoBoingo;You're welcome 918709;1415818205;thestringpuller;https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/2i6pz0/peter_todds_checklocktimeverify_means_bitcoin/ckzdetm << reddit isn't fully retarded 918710;1415818725;saifedean;What do you good folk make of the Winkelvoss twins' foray into bitcoin? 918711;1415818831;thestringpuller;they were late to facebook and are now late to bitcoin (even thought they bought a ton early on) 918712;1415818842;thestringpuller;they seem to be late to parties a lot too 918713;1415818876;nubbins`;winkdex is best dex 918714;1415818884;nubbins`;can't trust them jaws tho 918715;1415819063;nubbins`;two days ago i realized i'd been waiting a month and a half for 18 unfiltered uv tubes from acklands-grainger 918716;1415819074;nubbins`;"fuck those assholes, i'm buying from somewhere else" 918717;1415819085;nubbins`;today i get an email saying my bulbs have arrived :0 918718;1415819174;asciilifeform;jurov: patches << http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/patches.html >> 404 918719;1415819369;thestringpuller;good 'ol hanbot 918720;1415819409;nubbins`;neither that good nor that old 918721;1415819488;thestringpuller;she is the evil twin 918722;1415819491;hanbot;howdy 918723;1415819511;hanbot;nubbins wanna see my complaint dept? :D 918724;1415819692;thestringpuller;i would assume that is just a box that leads to a shredder 918725;1415819877;nubbins`;;;google teeth (2007) 918726;1415819878;gribble;Teeth (2007) - IMDb: ; Teeth (film) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: ; Teeth (2007) - Movie Trailer - YouTube: 918727;1415819885;hanbot;nah, gotta have souring agents to make good pickles 918728;1415819901;*;nubbins` guffaws 918729;1415819969;nubbins`;was it you who wrote that short story about the pgp murder-suicide? 918730;1415820027;hanbot;http://thewhet.net/2012/shall-be-delivered/ << that? yeah. 918731;1415820028;assbot;Shall be Delivered | The Whet 918732;1415820064;asciilifeform;'shall be delivered' << imho the single most educational piece of crypto-related fiction ever written. 918733;1415820118;asciilifeform;belongs on the mandatory reading list for cultured people of the future, right next to 'the cold equations' 918734;1415820212;hanbot;ha! color me flattered 918735;1415820289;hanbot;mp oughta be goaded into making moar writing contests, they're fun 918736;1415820312;thestringpuller;It is national novel writing month 918737;1415820366;asciilifeform;that tale carries much of the blame for luring me into this den of vice. 918738;1415820461;hanbot;a far worthier prize then than that 5 btc! 918739;1415820483;asciilifeform;l0l 918740;1415820552;thestringpuller;the end of the story reminds me of scene from rashomon 918741;1415820905;nubbins`;nanowrimo 918742;1415820960;thestringpuller;^- yup. 918743;1415822340;asciilifeform;http://www.cs.umd.edu/class/fall2013/cmsc417/public/assignments/project_bitCoin.pdf << lol. 'yesterday's nobel prize is tomorrow's homework assignment.' 918744;1415822525;mircea_popescu;lol 918745;1415823010;mircea_popescu;assbot: 918746;1415823011;mircea_popescu;Re: "done with consensus decisionmaking", "war", "rearguard battles" [was: Re: REISSUED CfV: General Resolution: Init system coupling] << bwhahaha 918747;1415823351;mircea_popescu;anyway, news at 11. it's not just bitcoin the shitgnomes are after, but the entire stack of software guaranteeing a free world. 918748;1415823366;mircea_popescu;therein included, stuff that merely promises the possibility of it, such as debian. 918749;1415823383;asciilifeform;news at 11 is exactly right. this has been going on for a long, long time, have to be blind not to see 918750;1415823402;mircea_popescu;leaving aside that nobody i ever knew was seriously using the newer debian releases anyway for any purpose, you';d have to be fucking insane to think the way this goes is, we kill their heartbleed and they sit and wait. 918751;1415823423;mircea_popescu;what happened here is exactly the equivalent of, "sniper got obama between the eyes with a shitbullet, while on conference with the security staff" 918752;1415823432;mircea_popescu;or, for that matter, the world trade center bombing. 918753;1415823449;mircea_popescu;the only thing the bureaucracy knows how to do, and can in fact do, is in the words of V, 918754;1415823478;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: also must understand the 'good cop / bad cop' dynamic here. the buggers lure folks to their sugary 'imponade' (see naggum) by, among other things, sabotaging the rest of the universe 918755;1415823491;mircea_popescu;how did that go exactly, 918756;1415823520;mircea_popescu;Sutler: My fellow Englishmen: tonight our country, that which we stand for, and all we hold dear, faces a grave and terrible threat. This violent and unparalleled assault on our security will not go undefended... or unpunished. Our enemy is an insidious one, seeking to divide us and destroy the very foundation of our great nation. Tonight, we must remain steadfast. We must remain determined. But most of all, we must re 918757;1415823520;mircea_popescu;main united. Those caught tonight in violation of curfew will be considered in league with our enemy and prosecuted as a terrorist without leniency or exception. Tonight, I give you my most solemn vow: that justice will be swift, it will be righteous, and it will be without mercy. 918758;1415823523;mircea_popescu;there we go. 918759;1415823538;mircea_popescu;now, if it actually also worked, it may count for something. it doesn't work, so i guess it's good for lulz. 918760;1415823549;asciilifeform;lol! i actually saw that film for the first time a few days ago. 918761;1415823558;mircea_popescu;it's a pretty good filn. 918762;1415823599;mircea_popescu;so yeah, whatever, im so thoroughly impressed with the oh-so-almighty hb headshot response bitcoin went all the way up to 420 918763;1415823630;asciilifeform;waterfall's being recharged as we speak. 918764;1415823642;thestringpuller;well waterfall no longer has use 918765;1415823648;mircea_popescu;nobody ever won a war by being stupid. 918766;1415823664;asciilifeform;all the 'sr2' et. al. schmucks are grunting in the cellars, confessing keys. 918767;1415823675;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform it wasn't all that big. 918768;1415823695;mircea_popescu;it sounds impressive, but once the dust settled it became obvious what they got was something that everyone thought a scam and a cvouple of tiny ops 918769;1415823701;mircea_popescu;the two major marketplaces were unaffected 918770;1415823706;mircea_popescu;at least so teh intel tells me. 918771;1415823726;mircea_popescu;actual total loot, <2k. 918772;1415823730;thestringpuller;lol you have a spy ring now nao? 918773;1415823744;asciilifeform;2k << enough for small planetoid. 918774;1415823747;mircea_popescu;thestringpuller i have had a spyring from before satoshi had a clue on c 918775;1415823795;thestringpuller;tinker tailor soldier spy! 918776;1415823912;mircea_popescu;thestringpuller: 918777;1415823912;mircea_popescu;https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/2i6pz0/peter_todds_checklocktimeverify_means_bitcoin/ckzdetm << reddit isn't fully retarded << basically, they know they won't get away witrh a hard fork, trying to dissolve the "gavin is making a hardfork" issue into a seemingly better "everyone wants a hardfork, gavin's is just the one that emerged from the democratic hardforking process" 918778;1415823915;assbot;optimists comments on Peter Todd's CHECKLOCKTIMEVERIFY Means Bitcoin Escrow, Refunds and a Fork 918779;1415823936;mircea_popescu;which i suppose is long enough an intricacy that the retards won't be able to follow it. 918780;1415823949;mircea_popescu;the problem with this entire usg strat is that bitcoin never was and likely never will be for the retards. 918781;1415823970;asciilifeform;everyone wants... gavin's is just the one that emerged << precisely same verbiage as the pro-poettering useful idiots. vox derpuli, vox dei! 918782;1415823980;mircea_popescu;what they get or don't get is not material here. i understand that it's hard for politicos to look past pretty much their only asset, skill and ability, the herd. 918783;1415823982;mircea_popescu;nevertheless... 918784;1415823988;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform right./ 918785;1415824018;thestringpuller;so this is all plan to get away with hard fork in future? 918786;1415824039;mircea_popescu;it's "political groundwork" or w/e you call it. 918787;1415824047;mircea_popescu;basically, feminism for code. 918788;1415824080;mircea_popescu;anyway, they want a hardfork or five hundred, they can get it any time they feel ready. 918789;1415824109;mircea_popescu;but let it be clear that if we get that far i will paying for abducted and gangraped usg politico daughters, and putting the videos online. 918790;1415824144;thestringpuller;i would assume no less. it would seem though that in the future commandment 1 of bitcoin would be: 918791;1415824147;mircea_popescu;ex-powerful, now irrelevant duke derping around the corners of the new order, whining pathetic is one thing. raising actual banners to, that's beheading. 918792;1415824150;thestringpuller;"Thou shalt not hardfork" 918793;1415824263;mircea_popescu;in case this wasn't entirely clear : the foregoing has little to do with todd personally. 918794;1415824285;mircea_popescu;at issue is the gavinesque/redditarded interpretation of what's being proposed, especially in the "how to implement" side. 918795;1415824290;thestringpuller;he does seem too "dull" to have his own agenda. 918796;1415824399;thestringpuller;i just find it fascinating that the percent of redditards against any hard fork is going up by a lot. 918797;1415824403;mircea_popescu;-/** Threshold for nLockTime: below this value it is interpreted as block number, otherwise as UNIX timestamp. */ 918798;1415824403;mircea_popescu;67-static const unsigned int LOCKTIME_THRESHOLD = 500000000; // Tue Nov 5 00:53:20 1985 UTC 918799;1415824406;mircea_popescu;random lulz. 918800;1415824416;mircea_popescu;because magic numbers and stuff. 918801;1415824447;thestringpuller;too many to count 918802;1415824452;mircea_popescu;nobody knows why not make it 1bn lol. 918803;1415824475;thestringpuller;why ask for billions when you can get millions? 918804;1415824475;mircea_popescu;it passed in 2001, it would allow sane biteshifts etc. 918805;1415824625;mircea_popescu;sheeeit, i paid ppl 5 btc to write stories ? 918806;1415824636;mircea_popescu;truely i am a broken hand in the chest of bitcoins. 918807;1415824691;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform speaking of nobel prizes, god help us if satoshi ends up awarded the nobel for chemistry and gavin dressed up as princess leila 918808;1415824703;mircea_popescu;shows up to receive it. 918809;1415824837;mircea_popescu;by the way, since BingoBoingo brought up methotrexate earlier : 918810;1415824861;thestringpuller;princess leia* (sorry) 918811;1415824927;mircea_popescu;this thing works as a highly afine for folate that locks out dfhr, impeding tetrahydrofolic acid synthesis, without which you can't have a nucleus, or many proteins. 918812;1415824966;mircea_popescu;back in the 50s, aminopterin was discovered, which does exactly that, and was used to treat leukemia 918813;1415824973;mircea_popescu;(and other things offlabel, like psoriasis) 918814;1415824998;mircea_popescu;the company that marketed it also marketed amethopterin, which is in many ways similar. 918815;1415825040;mircea_popescu;soon enough the production of the former was judged too expensive, the latter was rebranded as methotrexate, and a history of "bad side effects" and other fud was created retroactively for aminopterin. 918816;1415825079;mircea_popescu;as the patents are starting to expire now, the secret everyone know "is being investigated" : aminopterin is actually more effectual in the role of folate synthesis blocker, perhaps not just in the case of leukemia. 918817;1415825129;asciilifeform;folks who are n00bs re: pharma racket - the above is SOP. 918818;1415825131;mircea_popescu;and this is all okay, because well... science. 918819;1415825151;mircea_popescu;so then you know, your average thinking person gets really upset once they hear about the entire "global warming" scam, 918820;1415825168;mircea_popescu;and the people in the game are really amazed by the reaction. "what's the big deal ? we've been doing this forever nobody complained ?" 918821;1415825170;mircea_popescu;well... 918822;1415825204;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform yes, which is why i'm writing it out. easily verified, completely unfamiliar to the general public. 918823;1415825422;mircea_popescu;and since we're on it, methotrexate is used as an abortifacent, notwithstanding that ethacridine lactate is cheaper, can be used without needing a hospital visit and much safer. 918824;1415825441;mircea_popescu;the parts "cheap" "can be self administered" somehow override "safer" in this construction. 918825;1415825527;mircea_popescu;who could pass up on some liver damage for the holy cause of keeping the insides of one's body away from themselves. 918826;1415826339;jurov;$proxies 918827;1415826340;empyex;jurov: Proxies: mpex.biz mpex.co mpex.ws mpex.bz mpex.coinbr.com Current MPEx GPG-Key-ID: 02DD2D91 918828;1415826341;empyex;jurov: MPEx-Status: mpex.biz (107 milliseconds), mpex.ws (107 milliseconds), mpex.bz (107 milliseconds), mpex.co (114 milliseconds), mpex.coinbr.com (474 milliseconds) 918829;1415826342;empyex;jurov: Health-Indicators: Homepage: √ MK Depth JSON: √ VWAP JSON: √ 918830;1415826617;jurov;mircea_popescu: http://mpex.ws/db_dump.php and commands don't work 918831;1415826673;mircea_popescu;jurov looking into it. 918832;1415826709;mircea_popescu;jurov http://mpex.co/db_dump.php you see that ? 918833;1415826734;mircea_popescu;.ws seems to have divorced itself from the mothership 918834;1415826737;jurov;yes, it's limited to mpex.ws 918835;1415826765;jurov;will also mail you anoother problem ina minute 918836;1415827280;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 230104 @ 0.00064071 = 147.4299 BTC [+] {9} 918837;1415827341;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 101800 @ 0.00063753 = 64.9006 BTC [-] {7} 918838;1415827402;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 137208 @ 0.00064302 = 88.2275 BTC [+] {10} 918839;1415827463;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 167487 @ 0.00064265 = 107.6355 BTC [-] {7} 918840;1415827524;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 124972 @ 0.00064056 = 80.0521 BTC [-] {8} 918841;1415827585;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 39807 @ 0.00064749 = 25.7746 BTC [+] {2} 918842;1415827840;punkman;!up Flyer9933 918843;1415827940;punkman;!up menahem 918844;1415828378;jurov; jurov: patches << http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/patches.html >> 404 << because you haven't sent any. it will get generated when you send them 918845;1415828419;assbot;jborkl_ +v failed; L1: 0, L2: 0 918846;1415828430;mircea_popescu;!up jborkl_ 918847;1415828437;jborkl_;thank you 918848;1415828445;asciilifeform;you send them << wai me? 918849;1415828621;nubbins`;why do i have to send the letter, i wrote the damn thing 918850;1415828789;jurov;i can send the patches myself but did not looked into them yet 918851;1415828805;jurov;so just posting them with my sig would be rather bad precedent 918852;1415828814;mircea_popescu;omg it sends the letter or it gets the hose again 918853;1415828834;asciilifeform;jurov: i signed my patches. so if sent, from whatever addr, they should be displayed. (with note that one user signed.) 918854;1415828847;ben_vulpes;rather bad form. 918855;1415828849;jurov;and where are they? 918856;1415828866;asciilifeform;jurov: once someone (you, ben_vulpes, whoever) reads them - can also sign, and display will read 'two people signed...' 918857;1415828881;mircea_popescu;he has a point here. asciilifeform so where are they again ? 918858;1415828885;jurov;yes this is how i fucking did it 918859;1415828896;jurov;it jsut needs to be fed the fuking emails 918860;1415828899;jurov;okay? 918861;1415828917;asciilifeform;where are they << http://therealbitcoin.org 918862;1415828958;mircea_popescu;ok, dun get jurov angry, email the stuff lol 918863;1415829162;nubbins`;do you have any idea how much stamps cost these days 918864;1415829174;jborkl_;I was looking for any practical advice on monetizing my site, did not know if any of you had some (advice) on this matter? 918865;1415829247;mike_c;jborkl_: throw up a bitbet ad with your referral address. 918866;1415829267;nubbins`;ooo i just found 100 sheets of paper i didn't know i had 918867;1415829300;nubbins`;scoopbot what's the scoop 918868;1415829350;jborkl_;i tries adsense for a week, did not like that. So the idea ben vulpes had was right on target but I am not sure if that is ongoing? ok, thankd mike_c 918869;1415829360;jborkl_;thanks 918870;1415829403;asciilifeform;sent a patch to turdatron. no worky. 918871;1415829418;mike_c;referral money is simply CPA instead of CPM (actions instead of clicks). it should do as well as traditional ads, and likely better given you don't have an ad sales team. 918872;1415829434;asciilifeform;this is getting rather tiresome. 918873;1415829476;mircea_popescu;nubbins` 55c ? 918874;1415829504;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform what did it say if anything ? 918875;1415829526;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: as far as i can see - it merely disappeared into the aether. 918876;1415829531;jborkl_;yeah, I have the chicken and the egg problem. Now I have traffic, but not know what to do with it. I concentrated so much on making it all and writing the code, I never thought what was next 918877;1415830080;jurov;asciilifeform: thanks, i need something to chew on. apparently mailman mangled the patch before saving to archive 918878;1415830096;jurov;but if you received it by email, signature is okay 918879;1415830159;asciilifeform;jurov: i received nothing, i thought that was clear. 918880;1415830174;asciilifeform;jurov: sent message, correctly formatted, patch and patch sig attached, nothing happened. 918881;1415830185;jurov;are you registered? 918882;1415830198;jurov;without registration it's send only 918883;1415830254;asciilifeform;jurov: ok, registered now. 918884;1415830324;jurov;ok. you can send other ones 918885;1415830356;jurov;that damned stuff just decided to snip newline in the end of file before archiving 918886;1415830369;jurov;and then declared signature invalid 918887;1415830389;jurov;*end of patch 918888;1415830410;cazalla;jborkl_, have you considered writing for qntra? 918889;1415830434;asciilifeform;jurov: sent again - no dice? 918890;1415830436;cazalla;!up jborkl_ 918891;1415830481;jurov;no i did not fix it yet. but at least it's here: http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2014-November/000010.html 918892;1415830504;asciilifeform;jurov: and why not here: http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2014-November/thread.html ? 918893;1415830505;assbot;The BTC-dev November 2014 Archive by thread 918894;1415830531;jurov;overly eager caching 918895;1415830550;asciilifeform;jurov: caching? 918896;1415830553;jurov;looking into it 918897;1415830585;jurov;i have put amazon TurdFront (r) (tm) in front of it 918898;1415830615;jurov;it already helped the site to survive aone ddos without anyone noticing 918899;1415830646;jurov;but i'll thry to configure the timeouts shorter 918900;1415830674;asciilifeform;jurov: nothing in my email either. 918901;1415830701;jurov;mhm i got both... looked into spam? 918902;1415830710;asciilifeform;jurov: yes looked. 918903;1415830865;jurov;postfix/smtp[9200]: 5DA58147C: to=, relay=mx-fwd-1.nearlyfreespeech.net[208.94.116.196]:25, delay=2.1, delays=0.21/0/0.46/1.4, dsn=2.6.0, status=sent (250 2.6.0 from MTA(smtp:[127.0.0.1]:10027): 250 Queued on server) 918904;1415830875;jurov;... 918905;1415830891;jurov;nsa intercepted it 918906;1415830899;asciilifeform;jurov: my mailbox is not at fault, it works for everyone else. 918907;1415830965;jurov;i don't parse this 918908;1415830975;jurov;you mean it works for everything else? 918909;1415830978;asciilifeform;jurov: problem is 100% on your end. 918910;1415831009;jurov;that's incredibly helpful, thanks 918911;1415831021;asciilifeform;jurov: that, or we don't have a working internet yet. 918912;1415831126;jurov;i'm out of ideas. maybe it got greylisted but then the log would say sth else 918913;1415831239;mircea_popescu;jurov it shows your own emails but not his ? 918914;1415831280;asciilifeform;jurov: i don't have any fancy filtration on my end 918915;1415831303;asciilifeform;jurov: but so far the results are not encouraging. email doesn't really work! 918916;1415831307;jurov;mx-fwd-1.nearlyfreespeech.net isn't your machine? 918917;1415831319;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform in its defense, email hasn't really worked for ~40 years now. 918918;1415831324;asciilifeform;jurov: it's a relayer, but it has never failed. not once. 918919;1415831484;mircea_popescu;vaguely related, how long you been using these guys ? do you know em ? 918920;1415831536;mircea_popescu;!up novusordo 918921;1415831557;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: i've been using that hoster since starting my site, >7yrs. ago. they're absolutely super. the cost is virtually unbeatable for low-traffic, simple sites. and, on top of this, almost wholly ddos-proof. 918922;1415831579;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: afaik they only eat usd however. 918923;1415831584;mircea_popescu;a) do you know them ? and b) can they be lured or strongarmed into taking bitcoin ? 918924;1415831616;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: i don't know them alive, no. but it is entirely possible that they could be lured. it's a small family op, afaik. 918925;1415831642;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform write to the owner/admin/whatever ticket system you use, tell him that i am offering $100 in bitcoin if they as much as show up here, to claim it. 918926;1415831651;mircea_popescu;that can't possibly take em an hour. 918927;1415831661;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: i learned of them when looked for a hoster that specializes in censor resistance (through traditional legal-wrangling, rather than fancy tech. it was another age.) 918928;1415831701;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: i shall write. 918929;1415831707;novusordo;asciilifeform: what hoster are you discussing? been looking for one myself. 918930;1415831718;mircea_popescu;novusordo https://www.nearlyfreespeech.net/about/ 918931;1415831718;assbot;About NearlyFreeSpeech.NET 918932;1415831723;asciilifeform;novusordo: 'nearly free speech' 918933;1415831729;novusordo;thanks 918934;1415831742;mircea_popescu;anyway, i must say i am thankful to the "experts". they've got the rot so advanced by now it's sufficient to look at a site and know you're dealing with actual experts. 918935;1415831756;mircea_popescu;greatly simplifies the process and saves me a bundle of moneyz this. 918936;1415832171;novusordo;after reading some of the FAQ it sounds like they follow much of the same philosophy as tarsnap. 918937;1415832252;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: wrote letter. 918938;1415832263;mircea_popescu;danke. 918939;1415832275;mircea_popescu;novusordo i thought that was a backup solution 918940;1415832297;mircea_popescu;but speaking of which... it does sort-of tie into yest discussion asciilifeform 918941;1415832303;mircea_popescu;how about something like tarsnap ? 918942;1415832329;novusordo;yeah it is a backup solution 918943;1415832336;novusordo;not hosting 918944;1415832343;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: tarsnap isn't really a public access gizmo 918945;1415832344;novusordo;but by same philosophy I meant in pricing 918946;1415832350;novusordo;pay-for-what-you-use 918947;1415832354;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform but neither is bitcoin. 918948;1415832363;mircea_popescu;as long as it's an anon expert access gizmo, it should qualify neh ? 918949;1415832389;mircea_popescu;"public access" is a myth, of the same substance as the man-month. 918950;1415832433;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: what i meant was, that it offers no useful mechanisms for anything other than, well, making ordinary backups for own use. 918951;1415832437;scoopbot;New post on Qntra.net by cazalla: http://qntra.net/2014/11/bnp-paribas-five-ways-bitcoin-could-shake-up-finance/ 918952;1415832457;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: if you have some notion of how to transmute that into a solution to yesterday's conundrum - i'm all ears. 918953;1415832591;mircea_popescu;i guess my idea reduces to "paint a brick black and pray to it" huh. 918954;1415832592;mircea_popescu;a well. 918955;1415832686;The20YearIRCloud;Looks like we (RentalStarter) are in contract for two more homes, putting our total to 12 properties / 17 units 918956;1415832755;Apocalyptic;cazalla, re your article, "once regulators and politicians control and enable the continued development of Bitcoin", they can't be that clueless, how the hell do they hope to "control the continued development" ? by sending a gavin-bis ? 918957;1415832758;scoopbot;New post on Qntra.net by thestringpuller: http://qntra.net/2014/11/ethereums-contract-language-implemented-on-the-bitcoin-blockchain-with-counterparty/ 918958;1415832793;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: https://www.nearlyfreespeech.net/about/belief2002 918959;1415832802;mircea_popescu;Apocalyptic lulz gotta lulz. 918960;1415832886;mircea_popescu;cazalla did you mean to say "the article is trying to push the humorous theory" instead of "concludes" ? 918961;1415832947;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform nice blast from teh past huh. 918962;1415832968;Apocalyptic;mircea_popescu, that's a much better formulation 918963;1415833079;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=XwwiZPPa 918964;1415833172;mircea_popescu;you must be logged in to access this area.... 918965;1415833204;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: http://pastebin.com/bQyAKJqY << here. 918966;1415833205;assbot; NearlyFreeSpeech.NET Forum IndexMember Support Forums SearchSearch Regi - Pastebin.com 918967;1415833254;mircea_popescu;lol 10k ? 918968;1415833264;mircea_popescu;a well. 918969;1415833286;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: the sad part is, they have a point. they can't eat it. 918970;1415833300;mircea_popescu;they can't eat it, they can't leave. 918971;1415833303;mircea_popescu;i also have a point. 918972;1415833310;mircea_popescu;live* 918973;1415833338;mircea_popescu;but i'll make sure to charge a mango my digestion fees next i run into one. 918974;1415833364;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: mango happily pays. that's what digestion is all about. 918975;1415833376;mircea_popescu;so did i. well, up until 5 minutes ago. 918976;1415833395;mircea_popescu;as a matter of policy, it will now cost these guys 10k to get any of my business, and if they ever get into the wot i'll negrate them right off. 918977;1415833448;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: lol. why the emotion. the article told the sad truth: 'We have nothing to spend bitcoins on...' 918978;1415833472;mircea_popescu;no emotion. i am telling the sad truth just as much : adapt or die. 918979;1415833503;mircea_popescu;bitcoin is not here asking random derp some favours. no matter who the derp thinks he is. 918980;1415833511;mircea_popescu;bitcoin is his lifeline. pass on it, well... death. 918981;1415833582;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: this death is a collective one. or, go try to tell the nearly free speech folks how to get their upstream isp to take btc, and where to get spare disks and pizza for it, and in such a way that it doesn't immediately end up in the waterfall, etc. 918982;1415833597;mircea_popescu;color me a color that connotes caring. 918983;1415833624;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31228 @ 0.00056414 = 17.617 BTC [-] {2} 918984;1415833624;mircea_popescu;im sure the mango is going to want to talk to the upstream enzymes about matters too ? 918985;1415833634;undata;asciilifeform: so sell out when you receive them via derpbase? 918986;1415833639;thestringpuller;asciilifeform: how do you buy things with btc that don't end up in the waterfall? 918987;1415833653;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: no one was asked to care, but trying to explain here that folks are sizzling in an electric chair not necessarily of their own making, rather than simple death through individual folly 918988;1415833667;mircea_popescu;thestringpuller actually, here's a fun notion : outside of trilema credits, pretty much everything is really just facelifted paypal. 918989;1415833675;mircea_popescu;so in a sense, i'm the one thing supporting this here bitcoin economy. 918990;1415833678;cazalla;Apocalyptic, mircea_popescu, i will go cry in the corner and rethink my approach 918991;1415833692;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform nah, it's their folly. 918992;1415833704;mircea_popescu;many smart people suffer from the what's his face mental issues 918993;1415833722;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: care to draw a simple picture of what you'd do in their place ? 918994;1415833723;mircea_popescu;jesus, who was the electrician turned expert in physics again ? 918995;1415833742;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: tesla? 918996;1415833745;thestringpuller;mircea_popescu: seems the only option is the swap coins with someone who isn't going to put them in the waterfall :P 918997;1415833750;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform either take the hundred offer or go to war. 918998;1415833764;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform nah nah brb digging archives 918999;1415833780;mircea_popescu;;;google site:trilema.com how to fail 919000;1415833780;gribble;How to fail - the Scott Locklin method. pe Trilema - Un blog de ...: ; It's been an epic few days: What happened? pe Trilema - Un blog de ...: ; In defense of the troll pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.: BingoBoingo: the great fork war is inevitable. and we know what is on their side of the line. << do tell ? 919100;1415844496;mircea_popescu;what was on "their" side of the line keeping skirts below the knee ? 919101;1415844502;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: on their side - presumably, the turd. 919102;1415844504;asciilifeform;their turd. 919103;1415844510;mircea_popescu;the jeff of 1950 knew all about how computers "won't catch on" 919104;1415844522;mircea_popescu;there's never anything on their side of the line is the thing. 919105;1415844600;*;mircea_popescu remembers a time "the line" was, you gotta raise a woman's kids to get laid and you gotta pay a hooker to get your cock sucked. 919106;1415844609;mircea_popescu;worked so admirably well, teh line. 919107;1415844673;asciilifeform;did not say 'they' win. said - there shall be war. 919108;1415844687;mircea_popescu;after a fashion. 919109;1415844701;mircea_popescu;but yes. definitely. 919110;1415844728;*;asciilifeform armchair admiral, and cannot presume to know what sort of war, fought with what 919111;1415844733;mircea_popescu;would be a sore loss to win without a war. instead of a solid enjoyment of rape and plunder, do not pass go, directly to the trudge of administration ? 919112;1415844734;mircea_popescu;fuck that. 919113;1415844752;mircea_popescu;war is generally the best part. 919114;1415844777;asciilifeform;at any rate, 'jeff of 1950' was not entirely wrong; computers have yet to really catch on... 919115;1415844791;mircea_popescu;ofcourse. 919116;1415844815;mircea_popescu;which is why either he has one or his kids want one for xmas. 919117;1415844855;mircea_popescu;!up Vexual 919118;1415844917;Vexual;thanks for the link to your blogpost mp, not I know what I sound like 3 force drunk 919119;1415844924;mircea_popescu;lol 919120;1415845037;Vexual;what happened with wol? 919121;1415845120;Vexual;all the players died from seizures or something? 919122;1415845123;mircea_popescu;it got no love 919123;1415845147;BingoBoingo;It's parimutuel model was prolly too fair in pricing 919124;1415845370;undata;asciilifeform | at any rate, 'jeff of 1950' was not entirely wrong; computers have yet to really catch on... << this printing thing hasn't really caught on yet; all they're printing are more bibles 919125;1415845901;BingoBoingo;http://theweek.com/article/index/271644/its-time-to-abolish-the-interstate-highway-system 919126;1415845902;assbot;It's time to abolish the Interstate Highway System - The Week 919127;1415846056;nubbins`; Looks like we (RentalStarter) are in contract for two more homes, putting our total to 12 properties / 17 units 919128;1415846065;BingoBoingo;^ The TLDR, shift some bezzel around and make it easier for the US to partition further 919129;1415846066;nubbins`;at this rate you'll have the first poster given away in no time 8) 919130;1415846082;The20YearIRCloud;already given away a few of em nubbins` 919131;1415846103;nubbins`;i eagerly await pictures 919132;1415846118;The20YearIRCloud;i gave em instructions 919133;1415846128;nubbins`;fwiw i think they'd have been better served given to people who we'd like to see in here, but hey, i'm just the printer 8) 919134;1415846146;nubbins`;and i guess taleb's mailing address is hard to find. 919135;1415846179;Vexual;send it to his publisher 919136;1415846181;The20YearIRCloud;I wanted to run a contest and give a few away to non-tenants, as they'd likely have much more of a desire for em 919137;1415846193;The20YearIRCloud;most of our tenants don't have PCs 919138;1415846228;BingoBoingo;;;ticker 919139;1415846229;gribble;Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 431.29, Best ask: 431.94, Bid-ask spread: 0.65000, Last trade: 431.94, 24 hour volume: 45124.17445036, 24 hour low: 375.97, 24 hour high: 434.8, 24 hour vwap: 408.121751826 919140;1415846262;BingoBoingo;What about lacquering them onto the doors? 919141;1415846273;The20YearIRCloud;lol, that could be interesting 919142;1415846631;asciilifeform;most of our tenants don't have PCs << wai wat 919143;1415846639;Vexual;yeah, that got me too 919144;1415846640;asciilifeform;they are paying in btc without computer ? 919145;1415846656;Vexual;paper moeny 919146;1415846803;The20YearIRCloud;Money, cash, cashier's checks, checks, ect, no one so far has ever heard of BTC, along with most not having access to a computer 919147;1415846852;asciilifeform;The20YearIRCloud: where does the btc come in then 919148;1415846859;*;asciilifeform thought 'rentalstarter' was a btc thing 919149;1415846877;The20YearIRCloud;tenants pay in USD 919150;1415846881;The20YearIRCloud;otherwise we'd be broke 919151;1415846885;mircea_popescu;"T 919152;1415846886;mircea_popescu;he 114th Congress may seem like an unlikely source of major reform. With the Republicans in control of both houses and a second-term Democratic president wielding the veto pen" 919153;1415846894;mircea_popescu;ahem. yeah it's a likely source of major fucking reform. 919154;1415846912;mircea_popescu;consisting principally of throwing out 80 years of accumulated gunk masquerading as "reform" 919155;1415846922;mircea_popescu;from delano to obama, a bridge of shit. 919156;1415846945;decimation;asciilifeform: I finished 17 moments of spring, thanks for the recommendation. It was an interesting show 919157;1415846951;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: from delano to obama << 'от ильича до ильича' 919158;1415846972;asciilifeform;decimation: aha 919159;1415846992;decimation;mircea_popescu: in the us it is customary to label any policy whatsoever as 'reform' 919160;1415847065;mircea_popescu;my point exactly. 919161;1415847118;decimation;like the national assembly in revolutionary france, congress feels that they can make policy about anything whatsoever 919162;1415847146;*;asciilifeform would love to read a collection of all the u.s. federal laws that claim extraterritoriality. 919163;1415847154;mircea_popescu;^ 919164;1415847178;asciilifeform;i can remember a few - the one with the flag-less submarines, and the one forbidding any biped on planet 3 from working on nukes without u.s. blessing 919165;1415847179;mircea_popescu;that us libtards gave themselves and in their own mind some sort of major role in the world is novel. 919166;1415847185;decimation;the first one that comes to mind are the 'foreign banking' laws w.r.t. us citizens 919167;1415847198;asciilifeform;citizens - yes. i was thinking of other 919168;1415847198;mircea_popescu;for most of its history, the us knew better, an saw itself as a minor player. 919169;1415847219;asciilifeform;that is, there are actually laws on the books which specifically say 'anyone, anywhere, whether he even knows we exist' 919170;1415847262;decimation;another famous one is the law that bans illegal wood harvest anywhere in the world 919171;1415847284;decimation;the 'lacey act' 919172;1415847338;The20YearIRCloud;poor gibson guitars :( 919173;1415847348;decimation;yep 919174;1415847378;decimation;in the early constitution era it was thought that congress was limited to passing laws about things that were actually mentioned in their charter in the constitution 919175;1415847389;decimation;lincoln and then fdr removed that restriction 919176;1415847398;mircea_popescu;" If we could even get ourselves down to a Western European level of car dependence, we would cut road fatalities to a third of their present value and improve our quality of life in innumerable ways." 919177;1415847409;mircea_popescu;yah lol. how to become europe ? "insert toll roads" 919178;1415847412;asciilifeform;http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/2285 919179;1415847412;assbot;18 U.S. Code § 2285 - Operation of submersible vessel or semi-submersible vessel without nationality | LII / Legal Information Institute 919180;1415847414;mircea_popescu;totally. i like thios reasoning. 919181;1415847415;asciilifeform;^ submarines 919182;1415847431;mircea_popescu;maybe the author could be come a girl by selling lipstick. 919183;1415847447;decimation;mircea_popescu: usians hate the idea of paying for roads 919184;1415847456;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform that's hardly noteworthy. for as long as navigation was a thing, navigating without a banner meant being an outlaw. 919185;1415847483;asciilifeform;u.s. navy sub - also outlaw? 919186;1415847487;mircea_popescu;decimation point being, europe is europe because it's europe, not because some kansas kids decided to wear bedsheets once and poof. 919187;1415847493;decimation;yeah actually I agree with that law 919188;1415847504;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform if it goes without a banner, yes. 919189;1415847511;asciilifeform;banner underwater? 919190;1415847518;decimation;hehe 919191;1415847560;BingoBoingo;!Up cascadian_derper 919192;1415847563;decimation;mircea_popescu: yeah, but there's something lacking in the us - they can't seem to believe that they have their own culture and avoid trying to make one 919193;1415847567;mircea_popescu;well, "banner" 919194;1415847579;cascadian_derper;ah lovely someone's watching 919195;1415847581;mircea_popescu;decimation who has his own culture you mean ? 919196;1415847592;decimation;well, kansas for instance 919197;1415847600;mircea_popescu;i dun see it. 919198;1415847613;cascadian_derper;thanks for participating in my live fire, bb 919199;1415847624;mircea_popescu;kansas culture = "move to ny, for a better life" + "check out the corn!!1" 919200;1415847625;decimation;they actually do have a culture, it is just roundly rejected by every elite with a printing press 919201;1415847632;mircea_popescu;well ? 919202;1415847636;mircea_popescu;what is this then, folklore ? 919203;1415847645;mircea_popescu;!up Derp 919204;1415847662;mircea_popescu;the us may only have a folklore after 2276. 919205;1415847669;mircea_popescu;check back in 1/4 millenium. 919206;1415847705;decimation;yeah, it'll be viva la reconquista 919207;1415847731;asciilifeform;http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/50/47a << mega-lol 919208;1415847731;assbot;50 U.S. Code § 47a - Information concerning illegal introduction, manufacture, acquisition or export of special nuclear material or atomic weapons or conspiracies relating thereto; reward | LII / Legal Information Institute 919209;1415847781;decimation;I think that the low country "jante law" culture is one of the things that provides an impetus to the lack of us folklore/home culture 919210;1415847835;cascadian_derper;.deed http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=f8nwfQx1 919211;1415847836;notary;cascadian_derper: Queued 1 valid deed for next bundle. 919212;1415847842;mircea_popescu;it's just too damned young. 919213;1415847865;decimation;yeah that's true 919214;1415847905;decimation;plus, the radical egalitarianism is like an acid that dissolves the nascent culture before it begins 919215;1415847921;ben_vulpes;nah just polishing off a bottle of champagne in the office 919216;1415847924;ben_vulpes;whoop 919217;1415847931;ben_vulpes;wrong channel, perdon 919218;1415848007;hanbot;wrong channel, perignon << ftfy 919219;1415848028;decimation;heh 919220;1415848034;mircea_popescu;decimation this is not true. 919221;1415848045;mircea_popescu;the russians had the mir for as long as the memory goes, and yet. 919222;1415848068;ben_vulpes;clever you, hanbot. it's cremant du jura though. 919223;1415848100;decimation;you mean the space station :) 919224;1415848156;mircea_popescu;nah, the mir, the village "corporation" of sorts. 919225;1415848217;ben_vulpes;what is scoopbot's actual uptime? 919226;1415848240;ben_vulpes;PeterL: do you need a hand with stabilizing that thing? 919227;1415848280;mircea_popescu;decimation it owned all the land, and allocated it. it owned the peasants, and regulated their life. basically think beehive with the queen unembodied. 919228;1415848281;PeterL;sorry, trying to fix it right now 919229;1415848384;decimation;so your point is that the lack of egalitarianism did not foster a culture? 919230;1415848386;ben_vulpes;PeterL: i'm not trying to make you cry, but mebbe offer suggestions how to keep the thing up 919231;1415848399;ben_vulpes;are you still running it in a screen session or whatever? 919232;1415848401;ben_vulpes;!up Vexual 919233;1415848466;decimation;PeterL: does it reconnect? 919234;1415848504;PeterL;no, not yet, I'm gonna swith it to a different chan for a minute while I derp with it a bit 919235;1415848536;asciilifeform;http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/42/2122 919236;1415848537;assbot;42 U.S. Code § 2122 - Prohibitions governing atomic weapons | LII / Legal Information Institute 919237;1415848539;asciilifeform;^ the nuke thing. 919238;1415848542;asciilifeform;finally found it. 919239;1415848553;asciilifeform;'It shall be unlawful, except as provided in section 2121 of this title, for any person, inside or outside of the United States, to knowingly participate in the development of, manufacture, produce, transfer, acquire, receive, possess, import, export, or use, or possess and threaten to use, any atomic weapon.' 919240;1415848578;asciilifeform;just think, kurchatov or sakharov, could have sat in an american jail 919241;1415848583;asciilifeform;if somehow caught. 919242;1415848585;decimation;presumably 'person' means 'person to which us law applies' 919243;1415848589;asciilifeform;nope. 919244;1415848595;asciilifeform;person. 919245;1415848612;asciilifeform;normally they state 'u.s. subject' or similar. 919246;1415848618;decimation;asciilifeform: 'person' is an overloaded word in us law 919247;1415848622;ben_vulpes; mircea_popescu: http://imgur.com/Bn88rOZ << ahaha i remember fucking with solenoids 919248;1415848623;assbot; asciilifeform's mail - Imgur 919249;1415848663;ben_vulpes;asciilifeform: damn did you hoover up the only copy? 919250;1415848675;asciilifeform;idk how many copies. 919251;1415848680;asciilifeform;ask mircea_popescu 919252;1415848694;ben_vulpes;well on 'amazon "book" services' 919253;1415848726;ben_vulpes;*** assbot (~assbot@unaffiliated/kakobrekla/bot/assbot) has changed mode for #bitcoin-assets to +v JorgePasada << where's my node, bitch 919254;1415848731;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: http://www.amazon.com//gp/offer-listing/B000MOLJGI/sr=/qid=/?condition=used&tag=bkfndr76-20 919255;1415848739;ben_vulpes;;;later tell JorgePasada see above 919256;1415848739;gribble;The operation succeeded. 919257;1415848810;ben_vulpes;mm gratzi asciilifeform 919258;1415848813;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12232 @ 0.00056379 = 6.8963 BTC [+] 919259;1415848827;ben_vulpes;holy shit mpoe clearing at 56k 919260;1415848837;ben_vulpes;market hates you mircea_popescu 919261;1415848848;ben_vulpes;clearly wagering on usg winning this round 919262;1415848879;decimation;I guess 'person' means whatever some court finds that it means, when they are presented with the question 919263;1415848914;ben_vulpes; BingoBoingo: the great fork war is inevitable. and we know what is on their side of the line. but what is on the other? the miners' mystery forks? our gadget, that doesn't even load the blockchain? << consider the gadget a piece of art. as always, the miners determine everything. 919264;1415849043;Vexual;decimation: Personne physique 919265;1415849484;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AMHASH2] 5821 @ 0.0012 = 6.9852 BTC 919266;1415849533;Vexual;;;ticker 919267;1415849535;gribble;Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 438.18, Best ask: 438.3, Bid-ask spread: 0.12000, Last trade: 438.18, 24 hour volume: 45394.86406201, 24 hour low: 377.6, 24 hour high: 438.3, 24 hour vwap: 408.920744472 919268;1415849949;mircea_popescu;decimation> so your point is that the lack of egalitarianism did not foster a culture? << my point being that culture is strictly a matter of time. how people organise is irrelevant. which also means there's no shortcuts. 919269;1415850083;mircea_popescu;;;calc 330/420 * 66 919270;1415850084;gribble;51.8571428571 919271;1415850093;mircea_popescu;maybe it's scaling with the usg *gasp* 919272;1415850099;decimation;yet, us folk come from somewhere, where did that culture go? 919273;1415850121;mircea_popescu;iroquis also came from somewhere, but once they came, it was all new. 919274;1415850131;mircea_popescu;for that matter, the germans come from fucking central asia. so what of it. 919275;1415850166;mircea_popescu;the zulus managed to start over each century moving 100 miles. 919276;1415850179;Vexual;and then some 919277;1415850205;Vexual;those guys don't fuck around 919278;1415850221;decimation;"Zulu" was a good movie 919279;1415850223;decimation;!up Vexual 919280;1415850316;Vexual;Might give it a look, The tourist was watchable 919281;1415850322;decimation;mircea_popescu: yeah that formula 'fits' - culture is derived in a convergence of circumstances + time 919282;1415850576;BingoBoingo;The geographic area occupied by present day Collinsville, Illinois had a population of ~35,000 600 years ago, and has a similar population today. 919283;1415850594;decimation;BingoBoingo: the 'mound culture'? 919284;1415850636;BingoBoingo;decimation: Yes "Mississippians" Seems smallpox probably got to them before the pale faces did. 919285;1415850795;BingoBoingo;The view from the big pile of dirt into Missouri is pretty sweet. 919286;1415851009;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23994 @ 0.00056201 = 13.4849 BTC [-] {2} 919287;1415851041;BingoBoingo;They even seemed to have had their own skunkworks program where they might have been trying to get to bronze a few millenia too late https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mound_34 919288;1415851043;assbot;Mound 34 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia 919289;1415851132;decimation;I guess kansas was kansas before kansas 919290;1415851189;BingoBoingo;Well, no. Kansas had those fucking barbarian nomads with their dogs 919291;1415851309;BingoBoingo;Meanwhile the Mississippians had suburbs and shit, some suburbs more populated than they are presently https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emerald_Mound_and_Village_Site 919292;1415851311;assbot;Emerald Mound and Village Site - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia 919293;1415851543;BingoBoingo;!up Mrstickball 919294;1415851548;BingoBoingo;!up railzand 919295;1415851556;BingoBoingo;!up phish 919296;1415851583;Vexual;people on the river are happy to give 919297;1415851807;BingoBoingo;!up rdekley 919298;1415853154;mircea_popescu;!up u00 919299;1415853272;mircea_popescu;http://trilema.com/2014/ron-maimon-lubos-motl-and-other-internet-things-i-hear-of-today-for-the-very-first-time/#comment-109841 << a competitor emerges! 919300;1415853273;assbot;Ron Maimon, Luboš Motl and other Internet things I hear of today for the very first time pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. 919301;1415853404;mircea_popescu;actually midden is pretty much the best approximation of culture in physical terms. 919302;1415853444;asciilifeform;even the laziest student of archaeology knows this. 919303;1415853520;mircea_popescu;well so that's what, 300 people ? 919304;1415853529;asciilifeform;lol 919305;1415853545;asciilifeform;300 mil sovblok. 919306;1415853618;decimation;speaking of obvous to everybody, here's some tardation for amusement: http://www.isegoria.net/2014/11/alternative-scientific-history/ 919307;1415853619;assbot;Alternative Scientific History « Isegoria 919308;1415853808;mircea_popescu;the feminist one is pretty good. 919309;1415853849;decimation;yeah surely these people are trolling 919310;1415853854;mircea_popescu;basically, dude imagines that a) he currently lives in a world where people actually give a shit what usians thing and b) this will survive time travel. 919311;1415853898;decimation;most of what is accepted as common knowledge in the us would have been rank retardation to the ancients 919312;1415853910;decimation;the romans would use lenses though 919313;1415853937;mircea_popescu;wait, caesar saves the republic ?! 919314;1415853940;mircea_popescu;lmao 919315;1415853944;decimation;lol yeah that too 919316;1415854019;mircea_popescu;"since the early 20th century, Earth�s mean surface temperature has increased by about 0.8�C." lmap 919317;1415854036;mircea_popescu;The Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change indicated!!!! 919318;1415854039;decimation;as if anyone could state that with authority 919319;1415854048;mircea_popescu;srsly, this faux chosenpeopleism is hard to get out of huh 919320;1415854109;decimation;the us is soaked in it, and it is getting worse 919321;1415854114;mircea_popescu;basically "i am a worthless sack of dung. the proof of this is that if i got sent to any other circumstance i'd make a total fool of myself" 919322;1415854219;mircea_popescu;all these people whose survival strictly depends on a extreheheeemely unlikely arrangement imagine themselves like... you know, representatives of HUMANITY outright 919323;1415854235;dub;they represent the body of human science tho 919324;1415854246;mircea_popescu;hardly. 919325;1415854260;decimation;do they lack the ability to perceive the obvious or are they acting out despite themselves? 919326;1415854265;mircea_popescu;the body of human science isn't derp derping about "relativity" by name anymore than the body of bitcoin is derp derping about "bitcoin" by name. 919327;1415854269;mircea_popescu;there's nothing in a name. 919328;1415854287;dub;teh body of human science says global warming is a thing 919329;1415854294;mircea_popescu;decimation coelenterata. they just float around in the sea. not their fault some happened upon a vent, not their fault the vent will go out. 919330;1415854305;mircea_popescu;you can't possibly be still on that kicks ?! 919331;1415854345;dub;its fact, idk what you deniers are smoking 919332;1415854348;mircea_popescu;the "body of human science" understood as "the government employees paid to derp on a topic" enacted "slow moving schizophrenia" as a thing. 919333;1415854355;dub;its hilarious listening to it 919334;1415854372;mircea_popescu;and then they died by falling out of the strawberry tree. 919335;1415854408;decimation;I found a chocolate bush one day but it turned out to be rabbit turds 919336;1415854435;undata;decimation: how many bites in were you? 919337;1415854444;assbot;Last 2 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/2A4P8SA.txt ) 919338;1415854444;mircea_popescu;!b 2 919339;1415854473;mircea_popescu;get a load of this... the qin envoy guy is using the example of a chinese table tennis player as highly achievementful women. 919340;1415854487;mircea_popescu;because the ancient chinese didn't know women can you know, tablestuffs. 919341;1415854509;nubbins`;do you even table 919342;1415854517;decimation;http://acrossdifficultcountry.blogspot.com/2014/11/no-word-back-yet.html 919343;1415854518;assbot;Across Difficult Country: No Word Back Yet 919344;1415854559;mircea_popescu;kinda unfair that he mentions oprah winfrey but not martha stewart lol. 919345;1415854686;decimation;when I was in Maui I found Oprah's Maui mansion 919346;1415854700;decimation;it overlooks the statue erected to the memory of sun yet san 919347;1415854725;mircea_popescu;"Robin Williams' suicide was triggered by a horrible disease called Lewy Body Dementia ... sources connected with his family tell TMZ." 919348;1415854727;mircea_popescu;i fucking knew it. 919349;1415854853;nubbins`;http://imgur.com/gILlv24 919350;1415854854;assbot; imgur: the simple image sharer 919351;1415854855;nubbins`;one color left 919352;1415854892;mircea_popescu;http://timedotcom.files.wordpress.com/2014/11/kim-kardashian-paper-cover.jpg << did this happen ? 919353;1415855159;undata;mircea_popescu: http://www.papermag.com/2014/11/kim_kardashian.php seems like a thing 919354;1415855219;mircea_popescu;just my type o gal. 919355;1415855253;asciilifeform;https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Man_Who_Came_Early 919356;1415855345;decimation;asciilifeform: yeah he discusses that in the other post: http://www.isegoria.net/2010/12/ideas-behind-their-time/ 919357;1415855406;decimation;"By contrast, in Poul Anderson’s The Man Who Came Early, an American MP with an engineering degree finds that he can’t apply any of his high-tech knowledge in low-tech Viking Iceland. He destroys the blacksmith’s shop when he tries to use modern high-temperature methods, he suggests impractical ideas, like deep-keeled sailing ships, which you can’t pull ashore, and so on." 919358;1415855434;mircea_popescu;takes a whole of a lot more than "i cursorily looked through my textbook on sciences" to meaningfully impact the past. 919359;1415855449;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: or present. 919360;1415855450;mircea_popescu;for one thing, you need to be conversant in their ideas. 919361;1415855453;mircea_popescu;right. 919362;1415855468;mircea_popescu;not different in any sense, but the past does offer the dubious benefit of unverifiability 919363;1415855483;mircea_popescu;which is exactly what all of dub's idiots masquerading as "human science" always pined for. 919364;1415855504;mircea_popescu;oh if only they could be spared the humiliation of failing in an irc chatroom, how great life'd be. 919365;1415855547;asciilifeform;the real psychiatric root here is that the idiots actually buy into the notion of the past being a 'kingdom of simpletons' 919366;1415855557;mircea_popescu;why wouldn't they ? 919367;1415855576;asciilifeform;a land of the blind, where the derp, with his magical enlightenment juice, is automagically one-eyed king. 919368;1415855578;mircea_popescu;they also buy into the theory of women, black people and so forth being a bunch of simpletons in need of special olympics 919369;1415855584;mircea_popescu;why not past people ? 919370;1415855590;mircea_popescu;and ukrainians ? 919371;1415855596;mircea_popescu;everyone's in dire need of democracy! 919372;1415855600;asciilifeform;the lie is implicit in the 'progress' idea 919373;1415855612;mircea_popescu;myeah. 919374;1415855631;mircea_popescu;how great it is tho, just think! to be the best person that ever was merely for having been born later ! 919375;1415855663;mircea_popescu;no wonder the conservative "you're not in the wot, noob" approach conflicts. 919376;1415855687;decimation;reminds one of "Candide" 919377;1415855812;decimation;Voltaire attacks Leibniz for thinking too optimistically about human possibility, and then supports the elevation of the unwashed masses 919378;1415855859;asciilifeform;mr v did for liberasty what leibniz did for mathematics. 919379;1415856002;mircea_popescu;i dun see it. 919380;1415856076;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21050 @ 0.000566 = 11.9143 BTC [+] 919381;1415856178;decimation;mircea_popescu: as a student of french history, how do you think the revolution could have been reversed? 919382;1415856205;decimation;my limited understanding is that much blame falls on Louis for being a dufus 919383;1415856207;mircea_popescu;uh. i dunno, but i suspect the revolution was a historical necessity. 919384;1415856220;mircea_popescu;well yeah. and his successor a worse one. 919385;1415856308;decimation;I suppose it was the ultimate outworking of enlightenment philosophy 919386;1415856344;mircea_popescu;here's a reduced version of the problem : england had a shitty king, that led to the empowering of a a bizarre sect. this is what happens when monarchy falters - secret societies. 919387;1415856362;mircea_popescu;the weakness of the crown allowed the personal union of the dutch and england, which created a shipping superpower 919388;1415856381;mircea_popescu;this ensured the failure of france as a going concern, because it couldn't keep up with the new megastate. 919389;1415856406;mircea_popescu;once france was going to fail, louis settled into a comfortable "apres moi, le deluge" and the people felt right about the same way germans felt around hitler's bunker. 919390;1415856412;mircea_popescu;they WERE going to try something. 919391;1415856425;mircea_popescu;the thing they tried was in all ways french : lots of fun, and it nearly got to moscow. 919392;1415856428;mircea_popescu;what more do you want ? 919393;1415856434;assbot;Last 8 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/16N8SSA.txt ) 919394;1415856434;asciilifeform;!b 8 919395;1415856496;decimation;I suppose that's the result of the mob seizing power: awesome party, terrible hangover 919396;1415856506;mircea_popescu;d'oh. 919397;1415856520;asciilifeform;http://www.city-journal.org/html/10_2_urbanities-how_to_read.html << oldie 919398;1415856580;mircea_popescu;;;google caragiale republica de la ploiesti 919399;1415856580;gribble;Republic of Ploiești - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: ; Boborul - Wikisource: ; Please take your pills. pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.: 919400;1415856580;cazalla;;;isitdown qntra.net 919401;1415856580;gribble;qntra.net is up 919402;1415856580;mircea_popescu;the guy that wrote the os romania still runs on, for almost two centuries now ? had a working model 919403;1415856580;cazalla;anyone else unable to access? 919404;1415856585;decimation;I cannot access 919405;1415856601;decimation;;;isitdown trilema.com 919406;1415856603;gribble;trilema.com is up 919407;1415856625;mircea_popescu;odd. 919408;1415856644;mircea_popescu;i wonder how the heck this works. 919409;1415856661;decimation;is our ddosing friend at it again? 919410;1415856674;mircea_popescu;i dun see him 919411;1415856688;asciilifeform;'Astolphe de Custine was brought up for a time by a faithful servant, living in penury with her in the only room of the Custine home that had not been looted and sealed off by Jacobin zealots and thieves.' 919412;1415856721;asciilifeform;quoted for just this. someone asked 'how could they undo french revolution.' how do you undo a catabolic collapse? 919413;1415856725;asciilifeform;can you unburn a sofa? 919414;1415856746;asciilifeform;where do we get unlooters, to unplunder a palace? 919415;1415856789;mircea_popescu;http://www.resilience.org/stories/2013-09-27/when-ephemeralization-is-hard-to-tell-from-catabolic-collapse << about the same topic 919416;1415856849;mircea_popescu;"Thanks to technological change, over the past few decades the capital-intensiveness of emerging successor infrastructures has been collapsing faster than the existing infrastructure itself. The classic example, from Buckminster Fuller, is replacing a transoceanic cable system emdodying God only knows how many thousand tons of metal with a few dozen communications satellites weighing a few tons each." 919417;1415856849;mircea_popescu;conveniently forgetting to mention that the cable is resilient, whereas the satellites not so much, and moreover, 919418;1415856849;mircea_popescu;even more conveniently forgetting to mention the 100x more tons of metal, fuel and whatnot needed to make satellites. 919419;1415856849;decimation;asciilifeform: I guess if the king isn't a derp, he turns grapeshot upon the mob 919420;1415856849;mircea_popescu;not like you can use any old mine dredger., 919421;1415856856;mircea_popescu;decimation suppose you were king, and ordered the leningrad of paris. what then ? 919422;1415856869;decimation;right, the problem is that it's hopeless 919423;1415856872;mircea_popescu;so you get to still be king, people will refer to you as Roi Acier 919424;1415856873;mircea_popescu;and now ? 919425;1415856896;asciilifeform;king, as it was, sorta got off lightly - settled for mere beheading, no impalement, no boiling oil 919426;1415856903;decimation;I guess the simpler alternative is to take the mob and invade moscow with it 919427;1415856905;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform king died in his bed 919428;1415856909;mircea_popescu;among the tits of his concubine. 919429;1415856923;*;asciilifeform thinking of other one 919430;1415856924;decimation;his wife on the other hand.. 919431;1415856940;mircea_popescu;oh, the blacksmith ? 919432;1415856942;mircea_popescu;what king. 919433;1415856944;asciilifeform;lol 919434;1415857021;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform anyway, unplunders there are. called craftsmen and artisans. 919435;1415857032;mircea_popescu;palaces can and have been unplundered. 919436;1415857050;asciilifeform;takes a while. 919437;1415857112;decimation;re: satellites << plus they occupy electromagnetic spectrum that could be put to otherwise productive use 919438;1415857131;asciilifeform;decimation: occupy spectrum << mostly line-of-sight, what occupy 919439;1415857192;decimation;lol line of sight: http://www.lyngsat-maps.com/footprints/Galaxy-19-C.html 919440;1415857252;decimation;true, not the entire earth all at once 919441;1415857252;asciilifeform;decimation: line of sight. what don't you like about the picture ? 919442;1415857271;decimation;well, the point isn't really the interfering signal from the satellite as much as the fact that no one on the ground can use the same frequencies without potentially interfering with satellite receivers 919443;1415857317;asciilifeform;decimation: if this were true, anyone could take a 'predator' bomber home. 919444;1415857358;asciilifeform;pocket 'gps' receivers - yes, easily fooled 919445;1415857392;decimation;asciilifeform: who knows how the us military hardens their links against interference 919446;1415857408;asciilifeform;generally, by using a very directional horn. 919447;1415857416;asciilifeform;and by flying. 919448;1415857445;decimation;but I am assuming a world where e-m spectrum could be otherwise be allocated to other-than-friends-of-the-bezzle 919449;1415857472;asciilifeform;in post-bezzle radio, 'adaptive frequency hopping' or bust. 919450;1415857558;decimation;asciilifeform: I think you might be unimpressed with the reality of usg rpvs: http://www.nationaldefensemagazine.org/archive/2013/May/Pages/PentagonEyesDealsWithSatelliteIndustryToFillDemandforDroneCommunications.aspx 919451;1415857812;asciilifeform;(one of the things which they did not - until, apparently, very recently - do - is use signed commands. hence one could in fact take the machine home, if using an appropriate antenna.) 919452;1415858013;decimation;asciilifeform: here's another one: http://www.defensemedianetwork.com/stories/uavs-drive-satcom-modernization/ "The reality, however, is the role of the lion’s share of UAVs is to provide data to soldiers within 50 miles of the aircraft using line-of-sight air-to-ground links,” Gardner wrote. “Today these links are predominantly analog FM links for standard definition video, but a change to sophisticated digital links is under 919453;1415858073;decimation;way, driven by a range of factors."" 919454;1415858083;asciilifeform;way to lump the bulldog and the rhinoceros into one animal. 919455;1415858098;asciilifeform;flying camera - one thing. remotely-flown bomber - another. 919456;1415858131;asciilifeform;incidentally, people misunderstand why the bomber is costly 919457;1415858138;asciilifeform;it is precisely because of the control apparatus. 919458;1415858140;asciilifeform;rather than the bombs 919459;1415858162;asciilifeform;hence also its weight, and the resulting expense of the airframe, engines, fuel. 919460;1415858169;decimation;asciilifeform: yeah I was confusing the two, I admit 919461;1415858189;decimation;the article is fairly silent w.r.t. the details of control links 919462;1415858207;asciilifeform;if a usefully-directional satellite receiver and associated gizmos could fit in pocket, camel convoys would be attacked using winged grenades on toy airplanes 919463;1415858235;asciilifeform;and even the simultaneously dumbest and wealthiest military bureaucracy in the world, would see this as an obvious thing. 919464;1415858257;decimation;this article was published in 2010 also 919465;1415858257;mircea_popescu;dude look at that, you can't find a pic of John McCain online that's not from like 1979 919466;1415858271;asciilifeform;!s gyro mcquack 919467;1415858272;assbot;0 results for 'gyro mcquack' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=gyro+mcquack 919468;1415858289;asciilifeform;!s launchpad mcquack 919469;1415858290;assbot;1 results for 'launchpad mcquack' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=launchpad+mcquack 919470;1415858292;asciilifeform;there. 919471;1415858360;decimation;;;google uss forrestal mccain 919472;1415858360;gribble;1967 USS Forrestal fire - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: ; Investigating John McCain's Tragedy at Sea - Truthdig: ; Rocket causes deadly fire on aircraft carrier — History.com This Day ...: ; Straight Outta Compton (2015) - IMDb: ; NWA - Straight Outta Compton (1988) on Vimeo: 919503;1415860277;Vexual;;;google straight outta locash 919504;1415860278;gribble;CB4-Straight outta Locash - YouTube: ; CB4 (1993) Straight Outta Locash - YouTube: ; CB4 Straight Outta Locash (Video Edit) by Bob Garcia - YouTube: 919505;1415860313;BingoBoingo;Vexual: When are you starting a blog that blogs other blogs rinsed through MP's Google Translate Vexualator? 919506;1415860326;Vexual;tsin da werks 919507;1415860415;mircea_popescu;lol 919508;1415860423;mircea_popescu;not a bnad idea, that. 919509;1415860460;Vexual;lol 919510;1415860574;BingoBoingo;FU FEDS!!!!! http://www.stltoday.com/news/national/how-prepaid-cards-work-and-why-feds-are-watching/article_fec9064d-25d2-5642-87d1-0a133ca3b629.html 919511;1415860575;assbot;How prepaid cards work and why Feds are watching : News 919512;1415860866;mircea_popescu;!up bitcoin-market09 919513;1415860882;mircea_popescu;http://cdn.papermag.com/uploaded_images/KKface(rgb)watermark.jpg << yeah srsly, thanks undata 919514;1415860891;mircea_popescu;easily the best looking chick alive. 919515;1415861029;mircea_popescu;http://www.nbcconnecticut.com/news/local/Thomaston-Man-Arrested-After-Stabbing-Watermelon-Cops-267183461.html 919516;1415861030;assbot;Thomaston Man Arrested After Stabbing Watermelon: Cops | NBC Connecticut 919517;1415861056;Vexual;theres a song about who fucker her first 919518;1415861064;mircea_popescu;to think, not even 200 years ago the same woman could be put in stocks if the husband told police she stabbed the same watermelon in a slothful or wanton manner. 919519;1415861285;punkman;"Glee actress Naya Rivera allegedly commented on Kardashian’s Instagram, “I normally don’t… but you’re someone’s mother.”" 919520;1415861317;punkman;I think she looks better now than before she had a kid 919521;1415861343;mircea_popescu;she looks her best for sure. 919522;1415861361;mircea_popescu;armenian chicks. no fucking wonder the turks had an in for 'em. 919523;1415861384;BingoBoingo;Sabines 2.0 919524;1415861389;punkman;did you see the original champagne photo, https://31.media.tumblr.com/decad7a5fb9715c1508942f7e12209f8/tumblr_newq2vmrOB1r106o0o1_500.jpg 919525;1415861394;punkman;same photographer 919526;1415861424;mircea_popescu;anyway, she's doing all the stuff jolie thought herself too good for. 919527;1415861439;mircea_popescu;in a decade, kim will be remembered and who was brangelina again ? 919528;1415861468;mircea_popescu;i hadn't. but the original sucks by comparison. 919529;1415861509;mircea_popescu;how does he get the bubbly flow btw ? what's the hydrodynamics experts think ? 919530;1415861540;punkman;trying to imagine how many bottles of champagne he's wasted trying 919531;1415861584;mircea_popescu;no way that's a chance event. 919532;1415861611;punkman;yeah photographer guy probably has it figured out by now 919533;1415861612;mircea_popescu;besides, im sure you can sell "champagne that was spilled on kim kardashian as part of trying to get the booty shot" fgor more trhan it cost originally. 919534;1415861715;mircea_popescu;As of May 2014, Kardashian is estimated to be worth $45 million. 919535;1415861729;mircea_popescu;dude that sucks. the watsapp faggots are worth 20bn and this chick 40mn ? get outta town. 919536;1415861754;punkman;does she have a clothing label yet? 919537;1415861767;punkman;though ass champagne might be a good business 919538;1415861776;mircea_popescu;she has 500 shitty perfumes, diets, underwears the works 919539;1415861795;mircea_popescu;they should prolly get her to front paleo 919540;1415861825;mircea_popescu;i think she's exactly the sort of woman the paleo guy jacks off to. 919541;1415862043;punkman;http://www.foreignpolicy.com/articles/2014/11/12/china_us_climate_deal_enthusiasm_gap 919542;1415862044;assbot;Why Is Beijing Downplaying the Supposedly Huge Climate Change Deal? 919543;1415862148;mircea_popescu;chinese bureaucrats got dumped a spoiled western brat. 919544;1415862155;mircea_popescu;they were polite, and thankfully now he left. 919545;1415862173;punkman;http://www.foreignpolicy.com/articles/2014/11/10/putin_hits_on_china__first_lady_apec_censors_go_wild 919546;1415862174;assbot;Putin Hits on China's First Lady, Censors Go Wild 919547;1415862206;mircea_popescu;lol nowai 919548;1415862233;mircea_popescu;well she looks like she's enjoying it... 919549;1415866805;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14017 @ 0.00056029 = 7.8536 BTC [-] {2} 919550;1415868057;notary;Confirmed bundle 1MroFdni with 1 deed | http://deeds.bitcoin-assets.com/bundle/1MroFdniyCaRWZm2TLDZDWGzrYZ6NnC9rr 919551;1415869992;thestringpuller;;;isup qntra.net 919552;1415869994;gribble;qntra.net is up 919553;1415870026;thestringpuller;lies 919554;1415871666;davout;;;seen pankkake 919555;1415871666;gribble;pankkake was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 5 weeks, 3 days, 20 hours, and 11 seconds ago: here is 0.000195. 919556;1415871743;thestringpuller;wassup davout 919557;1415871774;davout;right now, mostly being hungry 919558;1415871780;davout;:-) 919559;1415871805;davout;wishing i wasn't in paris' blind spot, where the closest boulangerie is 15 minutes walk 919560;1415871882;thestringpuller;lol. the chick fil a on campus is the slowest one in the state. about 15 minutes being in line ;) 919561;1415871952;davout;my feels -> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c9EBhaULToU&noredirect=1 919562;1415871953;assbot;You could flash-fry a buffalo in 40 seconds - YouTube 919563;1415872387;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25100 @ 0.00055772 = 13.9988 BTC [-] 919564;1415872936;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10000 @ 0.00055 = 5.5 BTC [-] 919565;1415877145;punkman;https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B2UPVevCAAEWxJD.jpg 919566;1415877194;punkman;http://qz.com/295370/how-alibaba-is-using-bra-sizes-to-predict-online-shopping-habits/ 919567;1415877195;assbot;How Alibaba is using bra sizes to predict online shopping habits – Quartz 919568;1415877214;punkman;"Earlier this summer, a group of data crunchers looking at underwear sales at Alibaba came across a curious trend: women who bought larger bra sizes also tended to spend more" 919569;1415877226;punkman;big tits, more money 919570;1415879951;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3800 @ 0.00036402 = 1.3833 BTC [-] 919571;1415882009;nubbins`;http://imgur.com/9N8ajak 919572;1415882069;nubbins`;this ad 919573;1415882069;nubbins`;elelel 919574;1415883349;thestringpuller;nubbins`: i like the one where the baby is buying encyclopedias on the ipad and it triggers all these events. 919575;1415883388;nubbins`;i like the one where i ordered light bulbs ten weeks ago and they're finally in 919576;1415883394;nubbins`;bbl driving to industrial zone 919577;1415884156;Adlai;i don't know whether to be pumped at the rally while i was gone or fucking pissed that scalpl crashed right before it began 919578;1415884163;Adlai;mostly FUCKING PISSED 919579;1415884174;thestringpuller;nubbins`: ten weeeks for light bulbs? 919580;1415884189;thestringpuller;!ticker m s.mpoe 919581;1415884189;assbot;[MPEX:S.MPOE] 1D: 0.00036402 / 0.00061882 / 0.00064749 (1568022 shares, 970.33 BTC), 7D: 0.00036402 / 0.00062305 / 0.0007299 (5073500 shares, 3,161.05 BTC), 30D: 0.00036402 / 0.00072108 / 0.00081111 (22420918 shares, 16,167.33 BTC) 919582;1415884302;nubbins`;what's scalpl 919583;1415884305;nubbins`;thestringpuller RIGHT?! 919584;1415884377;Adlai;nubbins`: my thingy 919585;1415884384;Adlai;!s scalpl 919586;1415884385;assbot;24 results for 'scalpl' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=scalpl 919587;1415884419;nubbins`;o 919588;1415884620;Adlai;crashed in between a sell and a buy, so i sat through this rally in fiat >_< 919589;1415884624;nubbins`;asciilifeform as i do not wish to hold your book funds indefinitely, plz to provide return address 919590;1415884916;jurov;hi Adlai, you wanted to post a patch to btc-dev? 919591;1415884923;Adlai;yes 919592;1415884924;jurov;can you resend? 919593;1415884978;Adlai;sent 919594;1415885085;Adlai;ugh and the fucking post office closes at ungodly early hours 919595;1415885085;jurov;gpg: BAD signature from "Adlai Chandrasekhar "..iirc i sent you some instructions what to fix, did you get anything form gribble? 919596;1415885111;Adlai;let me check my logs 919597;1415885125;Adlai;(nothing from gribble though, but i did have a highlight that overflowed scrollback) 919598;1415885215;jurov;can't find it, seems my memory fails me, sry 919599;1415885223;Adlai;oh, it's failing because of newline failness 919600;1415885231;Adlai;you'd think that in the twenty first century... 919601;1415885292;jurov;yes, pls resend the text as attachment and leave the body empty 919602;1415885321;Adlai;please explain this as though i am a retarted monkey 919603;1415885332;Adlai;plain text attachment? any specific filename/extension/encoding/etc? 919604;1415885344;jurov;http://therealbitcoin.org/mailman/listinfo/btc-dev << specified in second bullet 919605;1415885382;jurov;i guess everyone will utterly hate this :( 919606;1415885408;Adlai;"will" 919607;1415885427;jurov;o, already does ? D: 919608;1415885535;Adlai;!up devthedev 919609;1415885545;jurov;you're welcome to send the patch itself, as described there, too 919610;1415885554;Adlai;there's no patch, just an announcement about the github repo 919611;1415885574;Adlai;sending patches by mail is so 90s 919612;1415885583;jurov;but that's buggy, too. yest it ate newline in the patch file and then proclaimed "sig invalid, wont publish" 919613;1415885597;Adlai;anyways i must shower immediately before i die of stench 919614;1415885611;jurov;and made our key contributor, asciilifeform, utterl annoyed :( 919615;1415885647;Adlai;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=09-11-2014#915632 919616;1415885647;assbot;Logged on 09-11-2014 09:54:46; Adlai: ben_vulpes: i'm not seeing it in the mailing list yet, and i have to leave. hope this cuts it: http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=pCFcsbrW 919617;1415885694;jurov;your key is there, gpgp knows your name, but message was damamged in transit 919618;1415885706;jurov;kbd fail 919619;1415885776;jurov;hmmm, i can maybe provide web submission form that will have better chance to pass gpg stuff undamaged and can provide instant feedback 919620;1415885796;mircea_popescu;jurov web form is a good idea i'd say. 919621;1415885804;jurov;but when i come around to do it.. dunno :( 919622;1415885825;mircea_popescu;all it takes is five lines of html 919623;1415885898;jurov;lol 919624;1415885941;jurov;if you meant a form with action="mailto:btc-dev@..." that wouldn't help anything 919625;1415885994;mircea_popescu;lol well no 919626;1415886002;mircea_popescu;but presumably the email goes into a script somewhere no ? 919627;1415886019;jurov;yes, it needs to be wired yo that script 919628;1415886047;mircea_popescu;whoa look at that, under 50! 919629;1415886059;mircea_popescu;!t m s.mpoe 919630;1415886059;assbot;[MPEX:S.MPOE] 1D: 0.00036402 / 0.00061882 / 0.00064749 (1568022 shares, 970.33 BTC), 7D: 0.00036402 / 0.00062249 / 0.0007299 (5046550 shares, 3,141.44 BTC), 30D: 0.00036402 / 0.00072098 / 0.00081111 (22294004 shares, 16,073.74 BTC) 919631;1415886061;jurov;and mailman expects some headers to be present such as date, message id and whatnot 919632;1415886111;mircea_popescu;$SERVER or w/e php used 919633;1415886177;jurov;lol it's in py 919634;1415886193;jurov;and if it would be 5 lines, someone'd already done it 919635;1415886201;nubbins`;punkman let's put a section on the deeds website for deed verification utils 919636;1415886218;nubbins`;get a standard figured out and implement it in a few different languages 919637;1415886243;mircea_popescu;this is also not a bad idea 919638;1415886274;*;punkman is furiously trying to undelete output of 12hour processing job 919639;1415886313;Adlai;mircea_popescu: under 50 what? 919640;1415886322;nubbins`;!s deed utils 919641;1415886323;assbot;3 results for 'deed utils' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=deed+utils 919642;1415886331;mircea_popescu;Adlai mpoe. 919643;1415886339;mircea_popescu;50k satoshi. 919644;1415886342;Adlai;oh 919645;1415886345;nubbins`;mine's in node.js, could use some cleaning up. punkman's is in... py? 919646;1415886369;mircea_popescu;punkman they dun have backups where you live ? 919647;1415886426;punkman;mircea_popescu: was first run, fat-fingered some sql 919648;1415886440;mircea_popescu;now that sucks. 919649;1415886462;nubbins`;^ 919650;1415886483;mircea_popescu;the other response of course is, "yeah, i have self-replicating backups, i just watched the deletion propagate across the whole cluster." 919651;1415886491;punkman;heh 919652;1415886493;mircea_popescu;"it works fine" 919653;1415886547;mircea_popescu;anyway, maybe the soution to jurov's problems is merging with the deed system ? 919654;1415886553;mircea_popescu;just process updates that are deedified ? 919655;1415886577;punkman;I can implement detached sigs and binary deeds 919656;1415886589;mircea_popescu;no, you can't. that's the fucking idea. 919657;1415886597;mircea_popescu;no binary patches, no detached patches. 919658;1415886601;mircea_popescu;can a project live liek that ? 919659;1415886603;jurov;punkman or, since you have the form put, once verified you can just send email in 919660;1415886639;jurov;lol but he doesn't have the form either..just uses pastebin, no? 919661;1415886645;mircea_popescu;jurov yup. 919662;1415886664;mircea_popescu;cuz of the bot. 919663;1415886719;jurov;punkman, you can send the deeds anyway, we can have dedicated mailing list for them 919664;1415886738;punkman;max deed size is 32kb now 919665;1415886756;thestringpuller;;;google site:trilema.com markov chains conversation 919666;1415886756;gribble;Come see me clutching at straws pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea ...: 919667;1415886801;jurov;no i'll have to actually do it, i am not in such a pit as stan and can push jobs around 919668;1415886803;mircea_popescu;jurov get the deeds firehose, process them into a mailing list by criteria ? this is interesting. 919669;1415886830;mircea_popescu;ianac, but can a project survive on 32kb text only patches ? 919670;1415886838;jurov;dunno . guess anyone who wants will subscribe and filter themselves 919671;1415886853;jurov;nooo, i dont' want to shove it through deedbot 919672;1415886862;mircea_popescu;aok 919673;1415886864;punkman;yeah you can send them compressed too, so I suppose you could send quite big patches as it is 919674;1415886890;jurov;that means sumbitting zipfiles ad seeds? 919675;1415886893;mircea_popescu;punkman this dovetails with asciilifeform's "fit in head" ideas. 919676;1415886896;jurov;*as deeds 919677;1415886924;jurov;do you really wants to mess aith such? doing html form is easier 919678;1415886928;mircea_popescu;^ 919679;1415886930;mircea_popescu;agreed. 919680;1415886943;mircea_popescu;jurov mostly exploring teh possibilities i think. some of which make one recoil in horror. 919681;1415886995;jurov;on that note, if asciilifeform still did not get the emails, i'm gonna send him the diests by snail mail 919682;1415887002;jurov;*digests 919683;1415887038;mircea_popescu;lol 919684;1415887101;jurov;* punkman is furiously trying to undelete << lol and i have multi-day multi-machine job that invokes OOM killer every coupla hours. i can live with it. 919685;1415887122;Adlai;... why are we still talking about how to manage a project through patches-by-mail? 919686;1415887141;mircea_popescu;Adlai because we're upset with the system. 919687;1415887150;Adlai;if you're married to patches, at least use darcs 919688;1415887167;jurov;Adlai because the goal is transparent verification of all contributions 919689;1415887182;jurov;if you can explain ti asciilifeform how to use dracs tho achieve this 919690;1415887218;punkman;maybe a gpg plugin for gitorious or gitlab 919691;1415887250;jurov;so? punkman, make that plugin. just some 5 lines, no? 919692;1415887257;punkman;probably 919693;1415887262;mircea_popescu;punkman one that isn't retarded pretty much reduces to "reimplement pgp" task we're loath to start. 919694;1415887291;mircea_popescu;jurov you snarky boy! 919695;1415887307;jurov;in short a system where it can be proven beyond doubt and without third-party service "X posted it, Y,Z signed it, A made a release" 919696;1415887317;Adlai;btw, this is quite relevant and maybe even a better starting point than 0.5.3: https://github.com/jgarzik/picocoin/tree/master/include/ccoin 919697;1415887318;assbot;picocoin/include/ccoin at master · jgarzik/picocoin · GitHub 919698;1415887331;Adlai;libccoin is a valgrind clean bitcoin node, written in C 919699;1415887333;mircea_popescu;Adlai how do you figure ? 919700;1415887349;mircea_popescu;i think you might be confused as to what's happening here. 919701;1415887371;Adlai;mircea_popescu: how do i figure using darcs superior to patches-by-mail, or working off libccoin superior to working off 0.5.3? 919702;1415887374;punkman;speaking of reimplementing things: https://github.com/singpolyma/OpenPGP-Python << a python port of a php implementation of openpgp standard 919703;1415887374;assbot;singpolyma/OpenPGP-Python · GitHub 919704;1415887375;mircea_popescu;the idea is not an alternative, non braindamaged bitcoin reimplementation. the idea is confiscating the canonical bitcoin implementation from the current set of monkeys. 919705;1415887381;mircea_popescu;quite distinct, these. 919706;1415887407;Adlai;either goal can be accomplished from either starting point 919707;1415887416;mircea_popescu;you're not in a position to make that judgement. 919708;1415887418;jurov;Adlai how do you do with darcs the "beyond doubt" stuff ? 919709;1415887426;jurov;ls explain 919710;1415887428;jurov;pls 919711;1415887445;Adlai;mircea_popescu: i make no judgements, just throwing out ideas 919712;1415887454;mircea_popescu;<Adlai> either goal can be accomplished from either starting point << that is a judgement. 919713;1415887461;Adlai;lolok 919714;1415887480;jurov;throwin out is easy. im asking you to throw in how darcs fullfills it 919715;1415887499;mircea_popescu;anyway, i have nfi about coding workflow from the pov of the workflower, however, darcs seems that much math grad wankathon. 919716;1415887511;Adlai;i'll shut up and shower because evidently i've been too far outside the loop to have meaningful input to these high and mighty goingons 919717;1415887533;mircea_popescu;no, rather, YOU are too high and mighty to have meaningful input. 919718;1415887535;jurov;you don't have meaningfuil answer to my qs? 919719;1415887557;mircea_popescu;i get it, "patches by mail" = bad because that's how they did it before women were liberated or some shit. nevertheless. how is the spiffy work for our purpose ? 919720;1415887558;Adlai;darcs is more organized than patches-over-mail, i've not used it enough to know whether it has any builtin support for patch signing 919721;1415887572;mircea_popescu;well this exposes the problem eh. 919722;1415887578;Adlai;however darcs is just a slight layer over patches 919723;1415887596;mircea_popescu;no but look at the process! you heard about something, thought it was cool and now want to use it on that basis ? 919724;1415887604;mircea_popescu;this is not how anything is supposed to fucking work. 919725;1415887617;Adlai;i'll just drop a nice photo here and go shower 919726;1415887628;mats_cd03;lol. 919727;1415887647;jurov;look, when we'll have 100 patches then we can talk how to get "better organized" 919728;1415887660;mircea_popescu;if this turns into another "you're mean and a cult because systemd" thing i swear... 919729;1415887742;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 80900 @ 0.00046419 = 37.553 BTC [+] {2} 919730;1415887764;*;Adlai said no such thing 919731;1415887768;thestringpuller;MPOE being shorted has increased volume 2 fold. 919732;1415887772;*;mircea_popescu only now sees punkman link. jesus. does that even hash ? 919733;1415887779;Adlai;just, that i'm not in a mental state to conduct any sort of serious discussion right now 919734;1415887786;mircea_popescu;Adlai dun sweat it. 919735;1415887815;Adlai;if only this imgur thingy would get its shit together 919736;1415887837;Adlai;https://i.imgur.com/hzTWHwt.jpg 919737;1415887838;mircea_popescu;use instagram, it's what the best butt online uses! 919738;1415887862;thestringpuller;kim kardashian's but isn't real 919739;1415887866;thestringpuller;butt* 919740;1415887868;punkman;Adlai: are you coding in the trenches now? 919741;1415887876;mircea_popescu;lol is that a tank being decomissioned ? 919742;1415887885;Adlai;no, i spent my time in the trenches edumacatin the trenchgoers about bitcoin 919743;1415887888;mircea_popescu;thestringpuller how do you mean it's not real yo. 919744;1415887900;Adlai;they were actually quite fascinated by it, and a surprising number had never ever heard of it 919745;1415887923;mircea_popescu;i mean pretty fucking unreal, i grant. yet... 919746;1415887928;mircea_popescu;Adlai wait what trenches ? 919747;1415887970;Adlai;metaphorical ones 919748;1415887995;Adlai;but the metaphor isn't too far from reality 919749;1415888020;*;Adlai just got back from a week in reserve dooty as a signals technician in an artillery thingy 919750;1415888029;Adlai;whence the photo 919751;1415888057;Adlai;shower time! 919752;1415888098;jurov;ha, military. now i see where the "musta organize" comes from ;) 919753;1415888118;mircea_popescu;militarize all teh thangs! 919754;1415888169;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25327 @ 0.00046234 = 11.7097 BTC [-] 919755;1415888188;Adlai;well there's a big difference between military hierarchy and structured decentralization, but have your laffs while i have my baffs 919756;1415888256;Adlai;and for the record, i got kicked out of officer school for being "unfit for military command", so i'm not exactly the most militarized person... 919757;1415888264;mircea_popescu;actually afaik the us army has been trying to do away with 1800s french military style hierarchy in favour of something more akin to the latter. 919758;1415888294;Adlai;maybe they can start with not having mercenaries salute 20yo shitstains fresh out of west poopt 919759;1415888318;mircea_popescu;if they do that, they'll have to actually pay idiots to go to west point 919760;1415888321;mircea_popescu;rather than charge them. 919761;1415888918;assbot;Bagels7 +v failed; L1: 0, L2: 0 919762;1415888959;Adlai;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BAomAwIwxm8 919763;1415888960;assbot;Mars Attacks Why Can't We All Just Get Along YouTube - YouTube 919764;1415889021;mircea_popescu;!up bagels7 919765;1415889079;bagels7;Oh hey, I was just wondering how it would be nice to not hear about kim's ass once in a while, perhaps a whole day even 919766;1415889117;Adlai;last time i heard irl about kim was actually back in my mandatory service 919767;1415889131;Adlai;(now i have to differentiate between stories from mandatory and reserve... wonderful) 919768;1415889134;mircea_popescu;bagels7 you'd be wondering how it'd be nice ? 919769;1415889147;mircea_popescu;Adlai you don't actually have to... 919770;1415889170;Adlai;some guy was talking about her instagram account and he said that she uploads pictures of her dog, and her furniture, and whatnot 919771;1415889173;bagels7;yeah to not see a huge ass first thing in the morning 919772;1415889181;Adlai;and he was genuinely trying to convince people that he doesn't follow her just because of dat ass 919773;1415889202;mircea_popescu;bagels7 don't take this the wrong way, because it's not actually going where it may seem, butt : are you a girl ? 919774;1415889203;Adlai;mircea_popescu: this is true 919775;1415889224;bagels7;oh you saw dpb's comment or twitter I'll guess 919776;1415889240;mircea_popescu;actually no, i dun read twitter. but i just added you know, two an' two together. 919777;1415889243;Adlai;ugh this week resurrected my mysoginism 919778;1415889257;bagels7;oh yes im so girly im ashamed 919779;1415889269;assbot;Last 1 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/2EGRBYF.txt ) 919780;1415889269;thestringpuller;!b 1 919781;1415889283;mircea_popescu;anyway : boys like highly sexed girls. it's a thing. it doesn't actually say anything about you. 919782;1415889296;bagels7;do you like highly sexed 919783;1415889298;Adlai;there is nothing girly about not liking ass, girls are allowed to like manass 919784;1415889303;mircea_popescu;yes. 919785;1415889322;mircea_popescu;Adlai girls don't tend to like highly sexed girls because they're disruptive. 919786;1415889344;Adlai;what's disruptive about the "oldest profession"? 919787;1415889350;bagels7;Oh well I am an escort so I kind of have to shave my legs and do make up and all that 919788;1415889360;Adlai;(this is a false cliche btw... the oldest profession, imo, is "boss") 919789;1415889363;mircea_popescu;Adlai exactly that. 919790;1415889372;mircea_popescu;bagels7 oh you are ? where do you work ? 919791;1415889390;mircea_popescu;Adlai and boss is not a profession. 919792;1415889392;bagels7;Montreal, quebec, canada 919793;1415889411;mircea_popescu;;;rate bagels7 1 says she's an escort in montreal. if you ever visit, lemme know how it went. 919794;1415889413;gribble;Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user bagels7 has been recorded. 919795;1415889450;Adlai;on that note, i'm gonna wash the smell of diesel sweat and boot polish out of my hair 919796;1415889464;mircea_popescu;you're just going to jack off 919797;1415889479;Adlai;"just" 919798;1415889569;danielpbarron;;;rated bagels7 919799;1415889570;gribble;You rated user bagels7 on Tue Nov 11 06:40:19 2014, with a rating of 2, and supplied these additional notes: boy who pretends to be a girl; http://twitter.com/SakuraSoph. 919800;1415889612;mircea_popescu;danielpbarron dja see teh weewee in question ? 919801;1415889623;bagels7;nope ^ 919802;1415889690;mircea_popescu;bagels7 you got a page up somewhere or how does the escort business even work these days ? dja advertise ? 919803;1415889704;bagels7;someone does it for me 919804;1415889729;xanthyos;danielpbarron: is it your job to out people? 919805;1415889745;*;danielpbarron shrugs 919806;1415889762;bagels7;They do newspapers which are getting more and more expensive since all the cheap advertising ones get bought, and there is a website somewhere 919807;1415889801;mircea_popescu;yeah i heard this is the latest business model, "make cheap advertising paper to drive up numbers, wait for buyout offers". apparently it can be cycled in 2-3 years. 919808;1415889829;mircea_popescu;some people that used to do "refurbishing" places back in the bubble moved on to this. 919809;1415889853;mircea_popescu;xanthyos everyone's job is to out people! 919810;1415890074;xanthyos;it's unrelated to trust though, and the insinuation of "boy pretends to be girl" is that bagels7 is dishonest 919811;1415890103;xanthyos;also historically once the transgender cat is out of the bag that's all everyone wants to talk about 919812;1415890104;danielpbarron;dishonest with himself 919813;1415890127;xanthyos;i'm still so jittery from last night 919814;1415890135;mircea_popescu;well, at least we moved on from kim's butt. 919815;1415890221;xanthyos;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0kWaKhrpa28 919816;1415890221;assbot;Real Time with Bill Maher: Generation Ass (HBO) - YouTube 919817;1415890260;bagels7;What do you expect from this WoT, Is fraud a concern 919818;1415890451;xanthyos;ooh btc fell back slightly. brb gonna call bank see if those coinbase deposits went in 919819;1415890474;xanthyos;i really really really hope that some sort of bad thing doesn't happen now that my checking account is tied to this... 919820;1415890493;*;xanthyos words not have smooth talk 919821;1415890506;xanthyos;brain damage need christ 919822;1415890528;xanthyos;i need danielpbarron to talk for me like aaron spoke for moses 919823;1415890555;thestringpuller;coinbase is already reporting you. 919824;1415890569;thestringpuller;just link to account you don't care gets seized. 919825;1415890606;xanthyos;so if i buy off coinbase should i not send to my existing wallet which right now is totally anon 919826;1415890718;thestringpuller;Intermediary addresses is good practice for plausible deniability. 919827;1415890744;xanthyos;is it a crime to buy bitcoin? 919828;1415890748;xanthyos;or sell 919829;1415890767;thestringpuller;!s from:asciilifeform benjies otc 919830;1415890768;assbot;1 results for 'from:asciilifeform benjies otc' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=from%3Aasciilifeform+benjies+otc 919831;1415890795;xanthyos;i don't feel i should hvae to deny anything 919832;1415890811;xanthyos;if a bank calls me up suspicously i will turn it on them. how dare you bother a long standing customer! 919833;1415890823;xanthyos;i'm allowed to fluctuate my balance as much as i want 919834;1415890843;thestringpuller;all while they are being raped with USG cock in their mouth 919835;1415890848;xanthyos;the fact that it's taking 2+ days for me to even see these mcirodeposits speaks to the obsolescence of banks 919836;1415890851;xanthyos;btc went up 60/ea since 919837;1415890862;xanthyos;!up bagels7 919838;1415890920;thestringpuller;i'm probably going to revert to cash only OTC. at least I know there is some resistance to my coincs going into Buterin's Waterfall. 919839;1415890965;danielpbarron;i made that switch a while ago 919840;1415890965;thestringpuller;regulators gonna regulate like warren g and nate d to the double g 919841;1415890975;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AMHASH2] 900 @ 0.0012 = 1.08 BTC 919842;1415891009;TomServo;What do you guys figure is a reasonable markup for cash trades? 919843;1415891012;thestringpuller;danielpbarron: how difficult is it to set up "deals"? 919844;1415891043;danielpbarron;kinda hard to find them; not so hard to do them 919845;1415891051;mircea_popescu; What do you expect from this WoT, Is fraud a concern << that didn't parse. say wut ? 919846;1415891057;danielpbarron;more work than coinbase obviously 919847;1415891091;thestringpuller;coinbase is a lot of work. I have to keep my accounts separate and can't have money fluctuate too high or low without suspcicious phone calls. 919848;1415891100;danielpbarron;usually have to pay higher fees too 919849;1415891107;mircea_popescu; if a bank calls me up suspicously i will turn it on them. how dare you bother a long standing customer! << lmao this works, yeah. 919850;1415891113;mircea_popescu;figure it out, the only customer of the bank is the govt. 919851;1415891120;mircea_popescu;you're just getting in the way. 919852;1415891186;mircea_popescu;;;later tell scoopbot http://trilema.com/2014/holy-shit-technical-analysis-is-real/ 919853;1415891186;assbot;Holy shit! Technical Analysis is real! pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. 919854;1415891186;gribble;The operation succeeded. 919855;1415891657;xanthyos;woop 24 cents and 10 cents microdeposits went thru, activating coinbase 919856;1415891667;xanthyos;no more buying btc through stander 919857;1415891695;xanthyos;stander is the guy that danielpbarron and RetroUpriser and i have bought btc through for a while 919858;1415891859;mircea_popescu;!up eightyeight 919859;1415891916;xanthyos;Amount Received 919860;1415891917;xanthyos;0.002637 BTC 919861;1415891917;xanthyos;From Avatar Coinbase 919862;1415891936;mircea_popescu;what's even the point of buying fractions of bitcents ? 919863;1415892020;xanthyos;it was free for signing up 919864;1415892025;xanthyos;now i see it takes 4 days for them to send btc 919865;1415892036;xanthyos;twice as long as a bank 919866;1415892051;mircea_popescu;ah 919867;1415892185;bagels7;<+mircea_popescu>I'm so poor I can't afford your articles yet 919868;1415892201;mircea_popescu;lol gotta work more. 919869;1415892237;xanthyos;mircea_popescu: is 440 a good buy price now? 919870;1415892279;bagels7;Well where could I work without a degree? 919871;1415892319;xanthyos;here! 919872;1415892322;mircea_popescu;xanthyos the only thing i've said bout price is http://trilema.com/2014/people-us-dollars-are-not-worth-a-fifth-of-a-bitcent-stop-selling/ 919873;1415892322;assbot;People! US Dollars are not worth a fifth of a Bitcent. STOP SELLING! pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. 919874;1415892384;bagels7;I've been abused in every single job I had except my latest 919875;1415892441;xanthyos;use the wot to set up your own network of unabusive clientele 919876;1415892841;xanthyos;wow coinbase is WAY cheaper than stander 919877;1415892848;xanthyos;i bought .2! 919878;1415892850;xanthyos;i'm a real man now 919879;1415892905;xanthyos;bagels7: did you bust out on seals yet? 919880;1415892995;TomServo;bagels7: /msg assbot !up 919881;1415893016;xanthyos;;;gettrust bagels7 919882;1415893017;gribble;Currently authenticated from hostmask bagels7!bagels7@modemcable232.144-161-184.mc.videotron.ca. Trust relationship from user xanthyos to user bagels7: Level 1: 2, Level 2: 2 via 1 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=xanthyos&dest=bagels7 | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=bagels7 | Rated since: Tue Nov 11 00:46:41 2014 919883;1415893020;mircea_popescu;punkman: big tits, more money << i can see it. 919884;1415893026;mircea_popescu;!up cryptomaniac 919885;1415893037;xanthyos;why is bagels7 being devoiced with l2 assbot? 919886;1415893046;mircea_popescu;she never voiced herself. 919887;1415893058;mircea_popescu;;;ident bagels7 919888;1415893059;gribble;Nick 'bagels7', with hostmask 'bagels7!bagels7@modemcable232.144-161-184.mc.videotron.ca', is identified as user 'Bagels7', with GPG key id 82C85EDC160BB29F, key fingerprint ACE4936BDD6EBB8338F5282E82C85EDC160BB29F, and bitcoin address 16SvyfnNumVGr8qp1xRgupKpdEjWtAC5rN 919889;1415893067;mircea_popescu;just pm assbot !up yo. 919890;1415893067;xanthyos;nice pronoun mp 919891;1415893078;mircea_popescu;hm ? 919892;1415893083;xanthyos;she 919893;1415893110;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 44963 @ 0.00046111 = 20.7329 BTC [-] {2} 919894;1415893147;xanthyos;ooh 919895;1415893187;mircea_popescu;"Besides the possible reasons for the trend� namely that younger women with less purchasing power may be the ones buying smaller-sized bras" 919896;1415893191;mircea_popescu;aaaahahahaha 919897;1415893200;mircea_popescu;yeah, totally, young women have less purchasing power than older women. 919898;1415893204;mircea_popescu;because this is imaginaryworld. 919899;1415893236;mircea_popescu;Singles Day�the annual Nov 11 online shopping frenzy in which Alibaba saw as many as 2.85 million transactions a minute at its peak, and a total of $9.3 billion in sales 919900;1415893239;xanthyos;so children with underdeveloped breasts now shop for themselves? 919901;1415893256;xanthyos;their big-titted mothers still provide their adolescents bras right? 919902;1415893259;mircea_popescu;;;calc 9300 / (60 * 24 * 2.85 / 2) 919903;1415893259;gribble;4.53216374269 919904;1415893268;mircea_popescu;o look, average sale five bux. 919905;1415893270;bagels7;no, women with large breasts make more money causing poor women to mainly be small tit owners 919906;1415893320;mircea_popescu;xanthyos monkeys don't have any tits to speak of. the female breast is clearly the result of selection. the only way that works is for women with tits to have money while women without not to. 919907;1415893395;xanthyos;is it selection by males or did women with larger breasts simply have more milk to feed their young? 919908;1415893416;xanthyos;and provided more viable offspring 919909;1415893428;mike_c;or is it a broad generalization with little practical application? 919910;1415893433;mircea_popescu;nfi. i imagine it's purely aesthetic. 919911;1415893442;mircea_popescu;mike_c you mean like math, right ? 919912;1415893447;mike_c;absolutely 919913;1415893447;xanthyos;it's a counterweight to the ass 919914;1415893451;xanthyos;so women don't fall back 919915;1415893482;bagels7;yes broad generalizations with very little practical use 919916;1415893485;mike_c;you know what i like about math? i recently had a difficult math problem to solve, and didn't feel like dealing with it. so i had a math TA do it for total cost of 0. 919917;1415893504;mircea_popescu;mike_c same is true of women with big tits! 919918;1415893513;mircea_popescu;if you don't feel like doing it, you can always ask a ta. 919919;1415893540;mircea_popescu;turns out there's a lot of predictive power in this tits like math thing. 919920;1415893553;xanthyos;i sent to my bc.i from coinbase. i am no longer anonymous. 919921;1415893554;mike_c;hm, this deserves more study. with pictures. 919922;1415893567;mircea_popescu;mike_c i predict golf club patterns! 919923;1415893626;mircea_popescu;jurov: gpg: BAD signature from "Adlai Chandrasekhar <<< wait his real name is actually adlai ?! 919924;1415893638;mircea_popescu;that's a pretty rad name. 919925;1415893660;xanthyos;adlai atkins 919926;1415893911;mircea_popescu;http://www.esa.int/Our_Activities/Operations/Live_updates_Rosetta_mission_comet_landing << it did it! 919927;1415893911;assbot;Live updates: Rosetta mission comet landing / Operations / Our Activities / ESA 919928;1415895437;chetty;http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2014/11/12/Father-Asks-Obama-To-Bring-Son-Slain-By-Illegal-Alien-Back-To-Life-With-Executive-Order 919929;1415895437;assbot;Father Asks Obama to Use Executive Order to Bring Son Slain by Illegal Alien Back to Life 919930;1415895475;TomServo;o_O 919931;1415895916;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14900 @ 0.00045949 = 6.8464 BTC [-] 919932;1415896703;asciilifeform;Adlai: darcs << as a military man, perhaps you are familiar with systems that could be automated easily, but aren't? e.g., ru nuke sub controls 919933;1415896903;asciilifeform;Adlai: manual patching is a deliberate choice here. each patch is a document that those who sign it are expected to actually read -and- understand. 919934;1415896952;Adlai;in my experience, all systems can be automated, and it's only a matter of deciding at what level you're willing to lose a human's judgement/"moral compass", but gain the benefits of automation 919935;1415896962;asciilifeform;Adlai: once you understand why i suggested it, and why those who agreed - agreed - you will learn something interesting. 919936;1415897005;asciilifeform;Adlai: i like 'git', 'darcs', etc. automata just as much as the next lazy fellow. but they are wholly inappropriate for this application. try to see why. 919937;1415897123;punkman;http://www.slate.com/blogs/future_tense/2014/11/11/cloud_heat_is_putting_servers_in_homes_and_offices_and_the_heat_from_them.html 919938;1415897124;assbot;Cloud&Heat is putting servers in homes and offices and the heat from them is free. 919939;1415897204;Adlai;i'll admit that my feeling that darcs could be appropriate for this purpose is based more on speculation from darcs's theoretic background than on familiarity with the actual working software 919940;1415897260;asciilifeform;punkman: germany has same electric rates for residential and commercial lines ? 919941;1415897269;asciilifeform;punkman: seems unlikely 919942;1415897324;punkman;no idea 919943;1415897342;punkman;might be better with mining rigs 919944;1415897396;asciilifeform;Adlai: elaborate please re: theoretical. 919945;1415897425;Adlai;would you automate the following system: a car that self-destructs (killing the intruder) when it detects that it's being accessed without the owner's permission? where ownership is determined in an arbitrarily advanced way, ie, physical token, password, biometric, whatever you fancy. 919946;1415897451;asciilifeform;ah, the ancient mines vs sentries debate. 919947;1415897495;asciilifeform;but this here is more of a sword vs pistol debate. 919948;1415897508;asciilifeform;battlefield: an elevator. 919949;1415897815;asciilifeform;Adlai: let's backtrack. the purpose of the effort spoken of earlier is to go from a 'bitcoind' of known pedigree to something worth using as a reference for, possibly in the future, reimplementation (how and by whom, deliberately not said) 919950;1415897848;joecool;your effort or gavin's? 919951;1415897859;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes and mod6 919952;1415897866;asciilifeform;i'm only involved briefly and by accident. 919953;1415897868;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 42879 @ 0.00045831 = 19.6519 BTC [-] {2} 919954;1415897885;asciilifeform;gavin is a fellow on the enemy side. 919955;1415897913;asciilifeform;the deltas between the original and the end product are to be studied and judged by the participants (currently ben_vulpes, mod6, and occasionally yours truly) 919956;1415897956;asciilifeform;in order to be studied in such a way as to be signable with good conscience, a given delta must exist as a purely human-readable document, of minimal length and formatting complexity. 919957;1415897964;asciilifeform;this means - ordinary unix patch. 919958;1415897977;thestringpuller;asciilifeform: what do you think about BIP-65? 919959;1415898009;asciilifeform;thestringpuller: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-11-2014#919065 919960;1415898009;assbot;Logged on 13-11-2014 01:46:06; asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: bip-0065 << classic 'relevance farming.' the phoundation will take any excuse to add cruft to the gizmo. in their fantasy, folks will use it, and those who have resisted their turds will be forced to merge in. 919961;1415898039;asciilifeform;but more generally, any and all 'improvements' from the enemy ought to be thought of as 'fruits of poison tree' 919962;1415898122;thestringpuller;hmm. what do you think of the nlocktime problem? 919963;1415898130;asciilifeform;problem? 919964;1415898152;asciilifeform;no gavin, no gavinisms - no problem. 919965;1415898168;thestringpuller;nlocktime gives spender power to double spend before nlocktime occurs 919966;1415898191;nubbins`;surely the coar devs have spoken on this point 919967;1415898218;thestringpuller;but yes I do see the new opcode as sorta crufty on "cruft" 919968;1415898223;asciilifeform;'doctor, it hurts when i do it.' 'don't do it.' 919969;1415898267;thestringpuller;so how would you use nlocktime asciilifeform ? 919970;1415898273;asciilifeform;i wouldn't. 919971;1415898320;thestringpuller;its a pretty neat feature for say senior to give jr. allotments of capital at guarenteed future date 919972;1415898337;asciilifeform;we've a dire case of featuritis. 919973;1415898369;nubbins`;;;google feature creep 919974;1415898370;gribble;Feature creep - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: ; What is feature creep - SearchCIO - TechTarget: ; Urban Dictionary: feature creep: 919975;1415898379;nubbins`;hm i've got a specific creep in mind 919976;1415898384;asciilifeform;one of the facts re: the phoundation is - even if gavin et. al. add something that is unambiguously, probably, angelically, positive to their turd - it is still an act of evil. 919977;1415898386;nubbins`;;;google feature creep site:dilbert.com 919978;1415898387;gribble;Feature Creep on Dilbert.com: ; February 5 2001 - Dilbert: ; Dilbert comic strip for 02/25/2013 from the official Dilbert comic strips ...: 919979;1415898395;thestringpuller;yes yes. but if this is case should we not remove nlocktime altogether? 919980;1415898396;asciilifeform;how? because it then serves as bait, sugar so that you will swallow the shit. 919981;1415898414;nubbins`;http://dilbert.com/strips/comic/2001-02-05/ 919982;1415898416;assbot;Dilbert comic strip for 02/05/2001 from the official Dilbert comic strips archive. 919983;1415898448;asciilifeform;at this point, the enemy is enemy not simply because of what he does or may do, but because of what he has done and what he is. 919984;1415898458;asciilifeform;this is a phrase transition of sorts. 919985;1415898459;nubbins`;;;google know your enemy 919986;1415898459;gribble;Rage Against The Machine: Know Your Enemy - YouTube: ; Green Day: "Know Your Enemy" - [Official Video] - YouTube: ; Know Your Enemy (Green Day song) - Wikipedia, the free ...: 919987;1415898463;asciilifeform;*phase transition 919988;1415898476;thestringpuller;the one by rage is pretty good 919989;1415898482;thestringpuller;"all of which are american dreams" 919990;1415898503;nubbins`;soooo, the fluorescent tubes that took TEN WEEKS to get here? turns out "F20T12/BL 6PK" is the item number not of a 6-pack, but of a single bulb 919991;1415898519;nubbins`;so instead of 18 bulbs, the guy pulls... three. 919992;1415898535;nubbins`;each of which is 6x more expensive than i'd previously thought. 919993;1415898546;asciilifeform;if what i just said seems like nuttery, consider this. the 'bug fixes', so obviously bright and good, by phoundation since 0.5.3 - somehow add up to us not being able to load a full blockchain. 919994;1415898585;asciilifeform;hence, they add up to an act of sabotage. what probably amounts to a hard fork that 'no one' noticed. 919995;1415898592;thestringpuller;asciilifeform: know thy enemy << enemies are only relative. yesterday's allies easily become tomorrow's enemies. (perhaps maybe a one way street). 919996;1415898617;asciilifeform;there is precisely one enemy. but with many tentacles. 919997;1415898628;nubbins`;anyone besides alf actually tried and failed loading blockchain on 0.5.3? 919998;1415898629;thestringpuller;cthulu-like? 919999;1415898632;asciilifeform;there are also idiots. some of whom are of the 'useful idiot' variety 920000;1415898639;asciilifeform;nubbins`: iirc ben_vulpes did 920001;1415898646;nubbins`;i was getting there but my virtual disk was too small, ran outta space, weird disk error ;/ 920002;1415898647;asciilifeform;nubbins`: ask him where it wedged in his case 920003;1415898648;thestringpuller;nubbins`: i'll give it a try today on a VPS 920004;1415898649;nubbins`;trying again 920005;1415898663;nubbins`;;;later tell ben_vulpes ^^ tell us what you know 920006;1415898664;gribble;The operation succeeded. 920007;1415898679;thestringpuller;nubbins`: so instead of 18 bulbs, the guy pulls... three. << so now you have to wait another 10 weeks to get the next 15 you need? 920008;1415898703;los_pantalones;!up mrjr 920009;1415898712;los_pantalones;mrjr is working w/ ntimelock 920010;1415898715;los_pantalones;for those of you with questions 920011;1415898761;nubbins`;thestringpuller so now i say fuck that company and order the gd bulbs online 920012;1415898761;los_pantalones;hmm 920013;1415898766;mike_c;!up mrjr 920014;1415898769;nubbins`;you know this is the second time i've gotten dicked around over bulbs? 920015;1415898784;thestringpuller;you would think it wouldn't be so difficult 920016;1415898798;thestringpuller;!up mrjr 920017;1415898801;nubbins`;guy made me wait 15 minutes while he struggled to determine if they actually sold 6-packs 920018;1415898804;nubbins`;15 actual minutes 920019;1415898806;thestringpuller;lol lag 920020;1415898810;nubbins`;while he mutters OH MY SOME SLOW 920021;1415898821;nubbins`;and a passing woman says SLOW WOULD BE AN IMPROVEMENT 920022;1415898826;mrjr;hi guys what did i miss :) 920023;1415898827;nubbins`;how in the fuck is this a functioning business 920024;1415898877;los_pantalones;mrjr why don't you tell them a bit of what you are doing w/ ntimelock 920025;1415898879;thestringpuller;annoying the customer out of their money. 920026;1415898882;los_pantalones;see if that's compelling to the ppl in here 920027;1415898895;thestringpuller;los_pantalones: is this in regard to BIP-65? 920028;1415899047;mrjr;los_pantalones: i run LedgerLock, we're working on a product called time-vault, to secure your bitcoins in nlocked transactions rather than protecting the priv key 920029;1415899114;mrjr;one of the first services we're providing (closed beta now) is keeping your nlock'ed transactions for you, until they're ripe for confirmations on the blockchain 920030;1415899122;thestringpuller;mrjr: aren't you in wot? what's your id? 920031;1415899201;mrjr;thestringpuller: never had the need for it :) 920032;1415899277;nubbins`;until now :D 920033;1415899282;nubbins`;pull up a chair 920034;1415899309;nubbins`;tell us more! 920035;1415899399;punkman;mrjr, guessing multisig 920036;1415899466;thestringpuller;;;later tell BingoBoingo nvm; disregard 920037;1415899467;gribble;The operation succeeded. 920038;1415899576;mrjr;multisig is useful to protect access to privkey, by splitting the power of moving funds to 2+ entities. we pre-sign transactions, nlocked in time, and discard the private key. 920039;1415899601;mrjr;(or keys) 920040;1415899674;mrjr;there's edge cases with malleability etc, but the benefits are that bitcoin operations can have their coins kept in a tx form, not as the information of the privkey 920041;1415899737;mrjr;we're working on a whitepaper to have some feedback on our design :) 920042;1415899848;xanthyos;https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B2Vp2l_IUAEFkd1.jpg 920043;1415899880;mrjr;the tech is useful e.g. for an exchange/bank that keeps large amounts of BTC, but has a daily use for BTC as clients withdraw funds. 920044;1415899887;thestringpuller;conclusion: our service holds burden of trust for time delay transactions 920045;1415899923;thestringpuller;but you already know that. 920046;1415899932;mats_cd03;i don't see how thats useful 920047;1415899960;mrjr;thestringpuller: our first service is just what you wrote, giving the network a means to trust that a tx will be valid on time (unless ofcourse it was double spent, in which case you get notified) 920048;1415899972;mrjr;thestringpuller: the greater product is larger in scope 920049;1415899993;thestringpuller;then you should def be in WoT "there is no need" more like "there is no greater need" 920050;1415900015;thestringpuller;cause you are the trustee 920051;1415900080;mrjr;thestringpuller: i'll work on getting my creds in order :) meni rosenfeld is one of our investors, and our cto Shaul Kfir was a reviewer for the sidechain paper. 920052;1415900121;mrjr;i'm also the founder of Bits of Gold, the largest exchange in Israel 920053;1415900139;mrjr;gotta go, be back soon 920054;1415901345;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28419 @ 0.00044989 = 12.7854 BTC [-] {2} 920055;1415902024;Pierre_Rochard;“i'll work on getting my creds in order :)” <- translation: “I won’t work on that, and here’s an insincere smile to really reinforce what I think of it” 920056;1415902126;thestringpuller;^- pretty much 920057;1415903831;asciilifeform;mrjr: secure your bitcoins in nlocked transactions rather than protecting the priv key << wai wat. 920058;1415903849;asciilifeform;mrjr: delayed transaction, per that scheme, still eventually lands in an addr. secured with what if not priv key ? 920059;1415904249;asciilifeform;;;later tell jurov nothing in my mailbox from turdatron. 920060;1415904250;gribble;The operation succeeded. 920061;1415904385;asciilifeform;!up mrjr 920062;1415904430;mrjr;asciilifeform: you're right, but by pre-signing you ensure that the amounts available at that address, per unit time, are limited. our first partners are ATM machine operators 920063;1415904455;mrjr;think of the daily needs of those machines, vs the amount stored "in cold storage" using traditional systems 920064;1415904463;asciilifeform;per unit time. but what can you do if someone walks with the privkey to the landing address? 920065;1415904479;asciilifeform;if you already broadcast the delayed tx, all the thief has to do is wait. 920066;1415904505;mrjr;you can't and don 920067;1415904516;mrjr;'t broadcast the txs to that address 920068;1415904532;mrjr;you broadcast daily, as it's needed. 920069;1415904541;asciilifeform;what's the actual purpose of the delay ? 920070;1415904593;asciilifeform;let's work example 920071;1415904627;asciilifeform;take ordinary, delay-less coin. you fill up the atm's addr nightly, say. if you are told that someone walked away with the machine, you no longer send to that one. 920072;1415904634;asciilifeform;install new machine, with new address, more guards. 920073;1415904639;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13600 @ 0.00044315 = 6.0268 BTC [-] 920074;1415904646;mrjr;there's an alternative pre-signed transaction chain that sends the coins to alternative addresses, possibly more protected, and a pre-signed "lockdown" transaction that just sends the coins to a non-practical (from an operation standpoint) multisig 920075;1415904659;asciilifeform;in the case of delay mechanism: you've broadcast a set of delayed transactions that will keep landing in the now-stolen addr. nightly. 920076;1415904683;mrjr;i'll take your example and explain 920077;1415904727;mrjr;say you presign 50 BTC / day to a given ATM, coming from your stash of 1000 BTC. 920078;1415904773;mrjr;you do not broadcast those tx, you just keep the txs, signed, and discard the privkey to your 1000 BTC (!) 920079;1415904835;asciilifeform;i understand the 'what.' but not the 'why.' 920080;1415904849;mrjr;you pre-sign the txs that move the remaining 1000 BTC - x days to a non-practical multisig 920081;1415904877;mrjr;the why is: the operators of the ATM no longer have a need to reach out for the cold-stored 1000 BTC 920082;1415904887;asciilifeform;they didn't before 920083;1415904894;asciilifeform;when you sent to them manually each day. 920084;1415904906;mrjr;"when you sent them manually" 920085;1415904911;mrjr;*manually* 920086;1415904942;asciilifeform;if you like to keep the privkey to the 1000 buried in concrete at the bottom of the sea - you can sign X tx'es of B btc each, and transmit those each day with cron job 920087;1415904943;mrjr;I operate a 1000 ATMs, and I have a stash of 10,000 BTC (les pretend i do :) ) 920088;1415904953;asciilifeform;you want the btc network to be your 'cron' ? 920089;1415904955;asciilifeform;why? 920090;1415905001;joecool;more robust i guess if an attack wipes him out? 920091;1415905004;mrjr;you still need a cron, to send the nlocked txs every day 920092;1415905012;joecool;then what's the point -_- 920093;1415905024;mrjr;however you could publish those txs on your blog for all you care 920094;1415905028;asciilifeform;what does the 'lock' prevent the enemy from doing, that he could have done otherwise ? 920095;1415905052;mrjr;if the attacker has access to all your txs in unlocked version, they can indeed run away with everything 920096;1415905098;mrjr;discarding the privkey is a measure against internal theft, which is key to this scheme 920097;1415905102;asciilifeform;the other, unrelated point about the timelock business, is that it introduces an incentive to monkey with timekeeping 920098;1415905111;asciilifeform;which is not something that currently afflicts node operators 920099;1415905131;jurov; punkman: germany has same electric rates for residential and commercial lines << they do have lower wholesale prices where you have to obey the grid management regime, dunno about details 920100;1415905158;asciilifeform;if a critical mass of ntp servers (e.g. the u.s. hierarchy) is pwned, there go your timelocks. 920101;1415905166;mrjr;did i explain sufficiently the motivation part? 920102;1415905174;punkman;asciilifeform: nlocktime is block height I think 920103;1415905188;*;asciilifeform reads the thing 920104;1415905196;punkman;oh both apparently? 920105;1415905208;joecool;punkman: it has to be both 920106;1415905299;mrjr;we ran the scenario on the withdraw data from gox 920107;1415905336;mrjr;(put asside their entire fiasco, just the data) 920108;1415905376;mrjr;we saw that with just 1,000 BTC accessible to the operators, they could cover 96% of their Bitcoin withdrawal needs 920109;1415905431;mrjr;the remaining 200k+ BTC can be stored in a form that is in-accessible to the operator, and unavailable for "rogue txs" that steal everything 920110;1415905466;mrjr;inaccessible = nobody can sign, because the key no longer exists. 920111;1415905473;mrjr;that includes internal theft. 920112;1415905476;*;asciilifeform admits that he suspects bip64 of being a plot to create usg-like bonds in btc. folks will be asked to trace X proper btc for X+epsilon 'locked' ones that are to land back in their pocket 'in the future', should they live long enough, but are actually recovable 'because this is how the world works' 920113;1415905479;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu ^^^^^ 920114;1415905493;asciilifeform;*revocable 920115;1415905563;asciilifeform;alice in the looking-glass, famously is offered 'jam tomorrow and jam yesterday -- but never jam today.' 920116;1415905593;asciilifeform;bip64, aside from complicating the protocol and giving relevance to the gavin shitgang, is also a jam-tomorrow chumpatronic engineering structural element 920117;1415905603;asciilifeform;so sorely missing from bitcoin from the point of view of the enemy. 920118;1415905662;mrjr;i wasnt aware there was politics behind nlock. always considered it as potentially very useful. 920119;1415905682;asciilifeform;but now you're aware. 920120;1415905710;mrjr;got a blog / post on the issue you're describing? sounds interesting 920121;1415905723;asciilifeform;afaik this here is the only place you'll hear the argument. 920122;1415905727;asciilifeform;i just deduced it now. 920123;1415905737;asciilifeform;can't imagine i'm the only one, though. 920124;1415905754;mrjr;ill go get my wot in order 920125;1415905755;mrjr;ttyl 920126;1415905821;assbot;Last 15 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/02NHQYM.txt ) 920127;1415905821;asciilifeform;!b 15 920128;1415906892;mats_cd03;;;ticker 920129;1415906894;gribble;Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 399.08, Best ask: 399.97, Bid-ask spread: 0.89000, Last trade: 399.98, 24 hour volume: 49575.14498042, 24 hour low: 381.55, 24 hour high: 453.92, 24 hour vwap: 429.779216449 920130;1415907287;thestringpuller;asciilifeform: can't imagine i'm the only one, though. << you aren't 920131;1415908327;xanthyos;come mr towel man towel my banana 920132;1415908840;xanthyos;why does btc always crash the second i buy it 920133;1415908850;xanthyos;^^ proof positive that jesus hates me 920134;1415908892;xanthyos;that's it, i'm gonna blow it all on 1 hand of internet roulette 920135;1415909115;undata;xanthyos: that should've been expected with such a sharp rise. 920136;1415909146;xanthyos;if it crashes, my purchase goes through, if it goes to the moon, coinbase will cancel the transaction 920137;1415909161;xanthyos;i hope not^ 920138;1415909178;undata;you've angered bitjesus I guess 920139;1415909191;xanthyos;mammon? 920140;1415909848;asciilifeform;mammon << sterculius. 920141;1415910034;The20YearIRCloud;hmm 920142;1415910181;xanthyos;4 business days is so obscene, no wonder banking is dead 920143;1415910733;jurov;can't you just buy off stan? 920144;1415910766;jurov;what would happen, gasenwagen? 920145;1415910836;asciilifeform;jurov: buy what? 920146;1415910859;jurov;xanthyos wants to buy coins, you need some $$$ 920147;1415910862;jurov;no? 920148;1415910875;asciilifeform;jurov: except that i can't use paper usd for anything 920149;1415910883;asciilifeform;well, almost anything 920150;1415910905;jurov;and if he gave you some bezzle usd? 920151;1415910909;asciilifeform;last farmer's market of the year on my street is tonight, and i shall be buying a few tomatoes possibly with it 920152;1415910919;asciilifeform;jurov: if bezzle usd, then it's on the radar. 920153;1415910941;xanthyos;? 920154;1415910944;jurov;you'd have to register as std..er..money transmitter? 920155;1415910953;asciilifeform;jurov: i'd be charged tax, most likely 920156;1415910957;asciilifeform;for no particularly good reason 920157;1415910962;xanthyos;i only use paper money for poker games and cannabis 920158;1415910987;dub;your dealer doesnt take btc? 920159;1415911013;jurov;maybe you can even charge tax to the desperate people 920160;1415911020;jurov;let them ask it back from irs 920161;1415911108;asciilifeform;other thing is, i don't have enough to sell, and present exchange rates being, to really notice the resulting pile of usd, even if it could magically land in my usd piggy without official attention. 920162;1415911445;asciilifeform;let's put it this way. a pile of usd without at least seven or eight decimally-significant zeros trailing after it, would make absolutely no difference to how i live. 920163;1415911657;asciilifeform;apologies if i've given someone, somewhere, the strange notion that i'm interested in parting with my microscopic collection of btc. 920164;1415911810;asciilifeform;it's of more use to me as a scientific toy than as a few new tires for car or a dozen spare disks. 920165;1415911856;BingoBoingo;http://qntra.net/2014/11/dickson-county-tennessee-sheriff-hit-with-ransomware-pays/ 920166;1415911856;assbot;Dickson County Tennessee Sheriff Hit with Ransomware, Pays | Qntra.net 920167;1415911888;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: missing link in there? 920168;1415911904;rithm;yeah i was gonna say where is the citation 920169;1415911916;rithm;you guys _do_ cite your sources 920170;1415911920;BingoBoingo;fixed 920171;1415911938;BingoBoingo;citation is now there. 920172;1415911998;asciilifeform;run moar winblows. 920173;1415912038;asciilifeform;gotta love these idiots. when'll somebody edit, rather than simply wiping, the case files ? 920174;1415912080;notary;[trust-update] added: bagels7 920175;1415912093;rithm;i shared that with my team 920176;1415912113;rithm;documented sources where the FBI actually makes the recommendation to pay the ransom is useful to me 920177;1415912133;BingoBoingo;I imagine eventually the ransomware people will start browsing what they've seized 920178;1415912156;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: traditionally 'ransomware' doesn't exfiltrate 920179;1415912160;asciilifeform;just pubkey-crypts 920180;1415912163;TomServo;It's extracted? I thought it was just locked inplace. 920181;1415912165;rithm;well it's my understanding the data is not exfiltrated 920182;1415912172;rithm;not immediately although that could be a later payload 920183;1415912209;asciilifeform;virtually nobody dredges through a chumpnet's entire accessible data set, on account of this being very much like actual work. 920184;1415912212;rithm;the only data exfiltrated to my knowledge is the decryption key and an identifier for the machine 920185;1415912213;BingoBoingo;Well yes, normally seems to stay on victim's computer, but if they can lock the files, they can include other shitware 920186;1415912236;rithm;but it's be trivial to exfiltrate compressed text, sure 920187;1415912252;asciilifeform;rithm: most of it is probably msword 920188;1415912260;rithm;it only hits plain text 920189;1415912270;rithm;so like a .sql db is plaintext unless encrypted 920190;1415912286;rithm;it hits plain text viewable docs, even weird proprietary ones 920191;1415912308;rithm;proprietary .idx files and stuff. always plaintext though 920192;1415912309;asciilifeform;speaking of the general case here. 920193;1415912329;asciilifeform;'civilians' often seriously misunderstand the motivation behind botnetsmanship. 920194;1415912342;rithm;i had an engineer reinstall windows on a cryptowall pc this week and return it to the client 920195;1415912344;asciilifeform;the objective, virtually always, is to make some fast money 920196;1415912348;asciilifeform;with minimal effort 920197;1415912355;rithm;we never tested the docs, the client brought it to us and tried to hide or cleasn it up 920198;1415912369;rithm;we returned it "fixed" never check ed the client's docs 920199;1415912401;rithm;i think i've dealt with 5 of those this week 920200;1415912403;asciilifeform;crapware written for intelligence-gathering purposes ( BingoBoingo's picture above ) rarely takes the shape of a 'botnet', usually there is some effort to target a narrow set of chumpers. 920201;1415912418;joecool;poweliks is a really interesting infection that often pulls in the cyperlocker ransomware, that hit the wild a couple months ago 920202;1415912447;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 38600 @ 0.00044251 = 17.0809 BTC [-] 920203;1415912461;rithm;it's cryptowall now and from what i can tell it's infected sites like mom & pop's ruinning old WP/drupal/some CMS 920204;1415912483;rithm;the story i hear is Nancy was checking vendor's site and the next thing she knows bam cryptowall 920205;1415912529;rithm;remote code execution is code execution is execution 920206;1415912540;rithm;the problem is cryptolocker runs entirely in the user context 920207;1415912553;rithm;so anything the user has access to, specifically filesystem permissions 920208;1415912556;rithm;they can modify 920209;1415912617;rithm;so the payload is a real basic thing, modifying files. i hate it 920210;1415912714;joecool;rithm: ever play with TDL4? 920211;1415912750;rithm;i don't see a lot of those infections 920212;1415912764;rithm;used to see a good bit tdss 920213;1415912767;rithm;etc 920214;1415912796;rithm;i myself have not deployed my own nefarious variant of that either, no 920215;1415912798;joecool;it's been a long time for me, but that was the most sophisticated and difficult infection i've seen, XP was hit really easy with it 920216;1415912844;rithm;in general i have run subscription based-packet filtering firewalls to stop things 920217;1415912853;rithm;because users are stupid 920218;1415912862;joecool;poweliks is much more simple, usually creates a binary in registry hides it with a null character and puts it in with something that gets called up a lot (like thumbnail cache) 920219;1415912880;rithm;poweliks I'm not familiar with 920220;1415912883;joecool;it's new 920221;1415912891;joecool;past 2 months or so it's been in the wild 920222;1415912894;rithm;i review a lot of the desktop stuff, not actually interface with it on the frontlines 920223;1415912910;rithm;so i need to study 920224;1415912936;joecool;i got called in to look at an infection that no tool but combofix would pick up, combofix itself would not successfully remove it 920225;1415912936;rithm;oic there's now PE or even a filesystem object 920226;1415912943;asciilifeform;crapware artists, generally, aren't focused on 'maximally pwning' a chump in the abstract sense, but in extracting whatever it is that he is worth - e.g., cc #s 920227;1415912944;rithm;*no PE 920228;1415912959;asciilifeform;if userland turd suffices for this, then so be it, they use one 920229;1415913028;joecool;asciilifeform: poweliks by default runs a keylogger and is pretty candid about storing the output in plaintext in a tmp file 920230;1415913066;joecool;it's simple but effective tool to pull in all sorts of junk, the case i was called in to look at was actually a POS system :-\ 920231;1415913097;rithm;i can see how something like this plus a ram scraper would be effective 920232;1415913100;rithm;on POS 920233;1415913670;BingoBoingo;http://yro.slashdot.org/story/14/11/13/199242/no-you-cant-seize-country-tlds-us-court-rules 920234;1415913671;assbot;No, You Can't Seize Country TLDs, US Court Rules - Slashdot 920235;1415913711;mircea_popescu;flimsy as fyck pretext 920236;1415913729;mircea_popescu;they should have found that tlds are of the nature of national sovereignty and that cannot be impinged upon by an us court. 920237;1415913762;asciilifeform;usa recognizes only own sovereignty. 920238;1415913792;mircea_popescu;the very definition of a terrorist organisation. 920239;1415913794;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=08-11-2014#914983 920240;1415913794;assbot;Logged on 08-11-2014 18:24:33; mircea_popescu: "those people's laws aren't really laws, our laws are really laws". 920241;1415913800;mircea_popescu;if that's the case, the us can not be part of the un. 920242;1415913850;mircea_popescu;as unintuitive as this may seem, these two are actually different. 920243;1415913869;asciilifeform;http://media.boreme.com/post_media/2005/kermit-visits-doctor.jpg 920244;1415913875;mircea_popescu;it's roughly the difference between me not recognising X's thinking as valid and me not recognising X's property as his. 920245;1415913894;mircea_popescu;lol 920246;1415914027;mircea_popescu;assbot: Cloud&Heat is putting servers in homes and offices and the heat from them is free. << o look, one step closer to the bitcoin miner heating tile element. 920247;1415914037;BingoBoingo;https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20131118/01542825271/fbi-stops-responding-to-most-prolific-foia-filer-because-he-might-actually-learn-something.shtml?utm_content=buffer6164d&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter.com&utm_campaign=buffer 920248;1415914039;assbot;FBI Stops Responding To The Most Prolific FOIA Filer, Because He Might Actually Learn Something | Techdirt 920249;1415914108;asciilifeform;next thing you know, they start asking 'proof of work'. 920250;1415914115;asciilifeform;foiacoin. 920251;1415914146;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform: i wouldn't. << heh. exactly. 920252;1415914232;cazalla;wru scoopbot http://qntra.net/2014/11/bank-of-canada-bitcoin-poses-no-risk-but-well-watch-it-closely-anyway/ 920253;1415914232;assbot;Bank of Canada: Bitcoin Poses No Risk But We'll Watch It Closely Anyway | Qntra.net 920254;1415914276;mircea_popescu;http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2013/11/foia-ryan-shapiro-fbi-files-lawsuit << pretty lulzy 920255;1415914277;assbot;Meet the Punk Rocker Who Can Liberate Your FBI File | Mother Jones 920256;1415914320;mircea_popescu;The FBI claims that it cannot discuss the case in open court "without damaging the very national security law enforcement interests it is seeking to protect." Instead, it has filed a secret declaration outlining its case. "This is an especially circular and Kafkaesque line of argument," Shapiro counters. "The FBI considers it a national security threat to make public its reasoning for considering it a national security 920257;1415914321;mircea_popescu;threat to use federal law to request information about the FBI's deeply problematic understanding of national security threats." 920258;1415914543;mircea_popescu;shot the guy an email, curious what comes of this. 920259;1415914709;mircea_popescu;thestringpuller: its a pretty neat feature for say senior to give jr. allotments of capital at guarenteed future date << there are better solutions to this problem. 920260;1415914793;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform: at this point, the enemy is enemy not simply because of what he does or may do, but because of what he has done and what he is. <<< well, at the previous point the enemy was not an enemy at all, just a bunch of derps. it's ony recently that trilema went from "power rangers" to "gavin has turned", and for a while there prior to the 2013 debacle he was not even being treated in concordance with the idiocy 920261;1415914793;mircea_popescu;he, in retrospect, universally displays. 920262;1415914849;asciilifeform;enemy is built out of useful idiots, in the same way that a tree is made of atmospheric co2 and soil nutrients 920263;1415914856;mircea_popescu;the naivity of contemporaneity, as it's called. hitler also seemed pretty reasonable to plenty of people as far up as perhaps 1940, but that's not preventing a current understanding of the guy to see him as pretty fucking broken as early as 1930 920264;1415914903;assbot;Last 3 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/04CVCC6.txt ) 920265;1415914903;BingoBoingo;!b 3 920266;1415914913;mircea_popescu;kafka is actually famous for exactly the ability to render this real situation in works of fiction. as you read through the castle or whatever, at some point you realise this is all pretty nutty, but if you look back to spot when the nuttiness started...well... it didn't seem so at the time. 920267;1415914956;asciilifeform;this goes straight back to galbraith's original discussion where he coined 'the bezzle.' 920268;1415914962;jurov;;;later tell Adlai your msg finally went throught. it choked on not mime structure intricacies 920269;1415914963;gribble;The operation succeeded. 920270;1415914977;asciilifeform;a bezzle is there, whether or not the 'wave function collapsed yet'. 920271;1415914984;mircea_popescu;for a zoologiocal metaphor, the man once bit by a scorpion will readily recognise the "scorpion biting" as an activity that to the naive may well look rather cute. 920272;1415915003;mircea_popescu;and certainly not threatening. 920273;1415915024;mircea_popescu;i mean... look at it's tail lol. what's it going to do with that improbable appendage ? how ridoinculous etc. 920274;1415915033;mircea_popescu;yeah, sure. give it a minute. 920275;1415915098;mircea_popescu;!up m4rCsi 920276;1415915235;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform: hence, they add up to an act of sabotage. what probably amounts to a hard fork that 'no one' noticed. << i dun think so, fwiw 920277;1415915308;asciilifeform;i'm still waiting to be proven mistaken on this one. 920278;1415915418;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform: there is precisely one enemy. but with many tentacles. <<< one you see now. once china's idiotic mr Xi shows up you'll be of a differing opinion. that fuckwit came up with a "war on corruption" that includes the theory that conjugal infidelity is both a sign and a symptom of graft. this is what they do over there now, prosecute cocksuckers & sluts. 920279;1415915439;mircea_popescu;he's definitely just as much an enemy as the wily putin, who clearly understands what bitcoin is all about, and is fighting it more efficiently than the us. 920280;1415915450;mircea_popescu;so, no. not the same. tentacles tho, i guess. 920281;1415915478;asciilifeform;same from the perspective that french rev. saw 'kings' as a thing. 920282;1415915484;mircea_popescu;i guess. 920283;1415915486;asciilifeform;even though it was rather clear that there were many kings. 920284;1415915514;mircea_popescu;in any case, the plurality is beneficial. serenissima foreign policy is to continue helping along the numerous and growing breeches among the three 920285;1415915525;mircea_popescu;just like the original did, among the french germans and latins. 920286;1415915633;mircea_popescu;ironically, they today as they back then were "the enemy" strictly because they do not wish to understand or submit to trade, and instead seek to insulate against it. as if. 920287;1415915768;asciilifeform;the philosophical 'win' from setting 'bozo bit' on gavin et. al. and seeing the shitgang as 'enemy' is tangible. 920288;1415915787;mircea_popescu;i guess so. 920289;1415915789;mircea_popescu;!up saifedean 920290;1415915806;asciilifeform;now all of their works are 'guilty until proven innocent' and this is actually a useful heuristic that saves valuable brain cycles when ferreting out the actual logic behind their actions (when there is a logic.) 920291;1415915817;saifedean;good evening everyone 920292;1415915831;mircea_popescu;isn't it like midnight where you live ? 920293;1415915836;mats_cd03;mircea_popescu: who are the three this time? 920294;1415915852;mircea_popescu;!up reredacted 920295;1415915863;mircea_popescu;mats_cd03 two lines up ?! 920296;1415915885;saifedean;so the arab bitcoin space is growing up so fast... we are getting our own scamcoin 920297;1415915887;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: picture a zoologist encountering an alien equivalent of the scorpion for the first time. what will his most important, though scientifically 'fuzziest' observations be? that the animal is - venomous. 920298;1415915905;mircea_popescu;ayup. 920299;1415915907;saifedean;this guy i know who works on atm's is launching his own cryptocurrency! And it's backed by real assets! REAL 920300;1415915915;mircea_popescu;saifedean more of that huh. 920301;1415915921;saifedean;http://www.ucicoin.com/faq 920302;1415915922;assbot;UCICOIN Crowdsale 920303;1415915934;saifedean;https://finance.yahoo.com/news/universal-crowd-funding-investments-l-225646854.html 920304;1415915936;assbot;Universal Crowd-Funding Investments S.A.L (U.C.I S.A.L) Recently Launched Its Crowd Sale and a Crypto Currency Backed by Real Assets and Now is Looking to Establish a Branch in Switzerland - Yahoo Finance 920305;1415915952;mircea_popescu;how do you say neobee in lebanese 920306;1415915979;saifedean;UCICOIN, i guess 920307;1415916034;mircea_popescu;saifedean so do your countrymen a favour, write a local language lenghty piece on exactly how neobee worked, what it was etc. 920308;1415916279;chetty;!up saifedean 920309;1415916309;saifedean;i'm not too bothered, i don't think he'll muster more than $100 in "investment" 920310;1415916344;mircea_popescu;mrjr: multisig is useful to protect access to privkey, by splitting the power of moving funds to 2+ entities. we pre-sign transactions, nlocked in time, and discard the private key. <<< and i know that you do because... you say so ? 920311;1415916357;mircea_popescu;saifedean that's not the point tho. 920312;1415916366;saifedean;he keeps trying to recruit me to work with him, and i keep trying my best to bluntly explain to him that his whole thing is going to a giant fat zero, and that the best outcome possible for him is to lose only all his money 920313;1415916385;mircea_popescu;mrjr: there's edge cases with malleability etc, but the benefits are that bitcoin operations can have their coins kept in a tx form, not as the information of the privkey << this is so braindamaged i can'teven be bothered. 920314;1415916459;mircea_popescu;motherfucker someone made a clear "here's the water, here's the flour" thing so it's simple and obvious, all sorts of derps come up with all sorts of "improvements" consisting of various doughs. "it stores better as canned frozen dough with our magical chemicals than as simple flour! and you can make things!" 920315;1415916470;mircea_popescu;this "innovation" is the fucking thing bitcoin was made to kill. 920316;1415916557;mircea_popescu;mrjr: thestringpuller: i'll work on getting my creds in order :) meni rosenfeld is one of our investors, and our cto Shaul Kfir was a reviewer for the sidechain paper. <<< myewah, the surprises keep right on coming 920317;1415916564;mircea_popescu;don't bother with the wot, i'll neg you anyway. 920318;1415916653;mircea_popescu;fucking ignorant derps. "here's a shitpie i made. my investors are ken lay and i'll be making a whipetatter" 920319;1415916722;chetty; this "innovation" is the fucking thing bitcoin was made to kill.//so they make a lot of messes, thats how kiddies learn and once in a while something useful actually gets invented 920320;1415916742;mircea_popescu;fuck him. he has a known fraud as an "investor" ? he's fucked. 920321;1415916748;mircea_popescu;that's what due dilligence fucking means. 920322;1415916977;assbot;Last 2 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/141QFK2.txt ) 920323;1415916977;BingoBoingo;!b 2 920324;1415916987;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform: mircea_popescu ^^^^^ < at this level it is difficult to distinguish simple idiocy riding on featuritis (because nobodies wish to get a place in the sun, and absent actual skils what better avenue trhan the pretense of adding value ?) and actual malice as oyu describe. 920325;1415917025;mircea_popescu;in any case, nlocktime is ulterior on the flow of entalpy to that kafkian point where shit went weird, identified retrospectively. 920326;1415917144;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform: jurov: except that i can't use paper usd for anything << do what the soon-to-be-"protected" folk do, use a rechargeable prepaid card lol 920327;1415917197;BingoBoingo;The good reloadable prepaid cards even allow you to write "checks" 920328;1415917201;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform: let's put it this way. a pile of usd without at least seven or eight decimally-significant zeros trailing after it, would make absolutely no difference to how i live. <<< this is like... the definition of poverty! 920329;1415917240;mircea_popescu;so basically, until he marries kim kardashian, stan will be pretty much going on with whatever it is he's doing today. 920330;1415917304;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform: gotta love these idiots. when'll somebody edit, rather than simply wiping, the case files ? << the one time you'll never hear about it, because how would you. 920331;1415917444;mircea_popescu;joecool: poweliks is a really interesting infection that often pulls in the cyperlocker ransomware, that hit the wild a couple months ago << look at that, someone took the trouble to make a trojan that works on all windowses to date ? 920332;1415917451;mircea_popescu;"Windows 2000, Windows 7, Windows 95, Windows 98, Windows Me, Windows NT, Windows Server 2003, Windows Server 2008, Windows Vista, Windows XP", we should probably hire this man. 920333;1415917537;mircea_popescu;rithm: it's cryptowall now and from what i can tell it's infected sites like mom & pop's ruinning old WP/drupal/some CMS <<< yeah, stuff the shitheads in question don't maintain, then i have to answer biweekly questions of "is qntra down". off with their heads i say! 920334;1415917837;jurov;str = 'line1\nline2 \\\n' 920335;1415917838;jurov;fp = open('out.txt', 'w') 920336;1415917840;jurov;fp.write(str) 920337;1415917841;jurov;fp.close() 920338;1415917846;jurov;guess what python does with this? 920339;1415917854;jurov;EATS THE TRAILING NEWLINE 920340;1415917865;jurov;SOMEONE PLS KILL ME 920341;1415917929;jurov;why must this always happen to me? 920342;1415917944;mircea_popescu;lol poor j 920343;1415917997;Azelphur;jurov: http://pastebin.com/z2BSyU1V nope 920344;1415917998;assbot;azelphur@darth-vader:~$ cat test.py str = 'line1\nline2 \\\n' fp = open('out.t - Pastebin.com 920345;1415918039;mircea_popescu;the plot, it thickens ? 920346;1415918071;jurov;Azelphur: hexdump out.txt? 920347;1415918084;jurov;here: 0000000 696c 656e 0a31 696c 656e 2032 0a5c 920348;1415918088;mircea_popescu;if this results in a patch to the kernel of w/e jurov's server is using... 920349;1415918097;Azelphur;0000000 696c 656e 0a31 696c 656e 2032 0a5c 920350;1415918097;Azelphur;000000e 920351;1415918101;Azelphur;jurov: nope xD 920352;1415918140;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: use a rechargeable prepaid card << the day of 'thumbprint please sir' or at least 'show id' is not far. 920353;1415918168;asciilifeform;case files ... the one time you'll never hear about it << once it becomes a plausible thing to claim for a side in a case -> phase transition. 920354;1415918193;xanthyos;i don't understand free markets 920355;1415918212;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: the definition of poverty! << say moar 920356;1415918234;jurov;Azelphur: it exchanged the \ and \n 920357;1415918258;jurov;or my brain misfired 920358;1415918258;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: the argument i was trying to make is that, when grunting on a prison asteroid, a liter of rocket fuel makes very little difference. only L liters - sufficient for liftoff - will. 920359;1415918267;*;Azelphur shrugs 920360;1415918272;Azelphur;jurov: I wonder if it's a Windows line ending thing. 920361;1415918286;jurov;it's leeeeeenux here !!!1 920362;1415918299;Azelphur;that's just weird then 920363;1415918313;asciilifeform;jurov: in my very informal experiments, all extant browsers - without exception - mutilate line endings. so no point in 'paste box' apparatus, unless operated via something like mpex script. 920364;1415918339;asciilifeform;jurov: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-10-2014#901052 920365;1415918339;assbot;Logged on 29-10-2014 01:36:19; asciilifeform: because plain ascii is like naked people 920366;1415918341;jurov;fp = open('out.txt', 'wb') did not help 920367;1415918362;jurov;but i am not putting the code in browser 920368;1415918369;jurov;oh you mean the paste box 920369;1415918379;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: someone took the trouble to make a trojan that works on all windowses to date ? << this is very easy given a purely-userland turd. 920370;1415918419;asciilifeform;(which the turd in question was. in fact, quite likely it is even mostly posix-compliant.) 920371;1415918432;jurov;this looks like a trojan in python..using \\\n to trigger 920372;1415918476;mircea_popescu;<asciilifeform> mircea_popescu: the definition of poverty! << say moar <<< sarcasm, the lowest form of wit. 920373;1415918562;mircea_popescu;o look! there's a parade down my street 920374;1415918565;mircea_popescu;only the 5th this month. 920375;1415918617;jurov;damn hexdump switched the endianness, file is actually correct 920376;1415918676;mircea_popescu; here: 0000000 696c 656e 0a31 696c 656e 2032 0a5c << seems correct endian ? 920377;1415918688;jurov;do hexdump -C 920378;1415918722;jurov;then it ends in 5c 0a as it should 920379;1415918814;jurov;but when you open out.txt in less or vim it pretends there is no newline in the end 920380;1415918822;mircea_popescu;00000000 6c 69 6e 65 31 5c 6e 6c 69 6e 65 32 20 0a 920381;1415918823;mircea_popescu;o.o 920382;1415918852;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11600 @ 0.00045279 = 5.2524 BTC [-] {3} 920383;1415918884;jurov;there are total 4 backslashes in 'line1\nline2 \\\n' , maybe irc ate them? 920384;1415918889;mircea_popescu;but anyway. 920385;1415919011;mircea_popescu;!up JuliaTourianski 920386;1415919029;mircea_popescu;how's biz ? 920387;1415919189;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: neh, i actually was hoping to hear moar. 920388;1415919199;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: but i can't dispute the poverty bit. 920389;1415919202;*;asciilifeform ragged dervish. 920390;1415919228;mircea_popescu;you gotta understand for most people $100 in disposable income would actually make a significant difference. 920391;1415919237;asciilifeform;gotta be shitting me 920392;1415919239;mircea_popescu;this is definitely most of africa, but i suspect most of the us by now, too. 920393;1415919243;asciilifeform;aha africa. 920394;1415919245;mircea_popescu;i am not shitting you. 920395;1415919274;mircea_popescu;i have yet to meet a female argentinian that's both a) fuckable and b) owner in her own right of $100 worth of monthly income free and clear of any burden. 920396;1415919275;asciilifeform;where i live, that buys slightly less than two full 'standard' tanks of petrol. 920397;1415919281;mircea_popescu;indeed. 920398;1415919288;asciilifeform;that is, a week of my commute, not counting toll gates or machine wear. 920399;1415919291;mircea_popescu;it buys even less than a lolipop on a comet, so what of it ? 920400;1415919295;mircea_popescu;don't try to live on comets. 920401;1415919296;asciilifeform;l0l. 920402;1415919365;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: In this part of USia, $100 could buy 2 tanks with $20 left over 920403;1415919386;mircea_popescu;in romania it's just about ONE tank. 920404;1415919403;mircea_popescu;little over i guess. 920405;1415919404;*;asciilifeform picked a uniquely bad example, and realized 920406;1415919438;mircea_popescu;blowjobs better example. 920407;1415919443;mircea_popescu;$15 going rate here. 920408;1415919529;mircea_popescu;http://i.perezhilton.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/11/kimkgif.gif << next we're gonna learn kim came to the us on a hb1 visa. 920409;1415919544;*;asciilifeform not an expert on the economics of this, but wonders how the cost relates to the 'unit cost' - that is, what it costs to house and feed a typical vendor. 920410;1415919546;JuliaTourianski;so change direction from blowjobs, I wanted to ask your thought on this "freedom" we're all obsessed with. i like this critique: "To coerce a man is to deprive him of freedom - freedom from what? Almost every moralist in human history has praised freedom. Like happiness and goodness, like nature and reality, it is a term whose meaning is so porous that there is little interpretation that it seems able to resist" 920411;1415919606;JuliaTourianski;the entire thing feels like a feel-good distraction from actual attainable action. 920412;1415919616;asciilifeform;which 'thing' ? 920413;1415919630;JuliaTourianski;the goal of freedom 920414;1415919635;asciilifeform;!s freedom 920415;1415919636;assbot;296 results for 'freedom' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=freedom 920416;1415919640;mircea_popescu;JuliaTourianski let's take an oblique tack. forget coercing a man. what is coercing a woman ? 920417;1415919643;asciilifeform;not much of obsession around here. 920418;1415919662;JuliaTourianski;excatly. which is why i bother ask it here 920419;1415919671;mircea_popescu;well so answer lol 920420;1415919712;JuliaTourianski;don't be fecisious 920421;1415919736;*;asciilifeform screams, runs away 920422;1415919752;mircea_popescu;whadda ya mean ? 920423;1415919773;JuliaTourianski;"The doctrine that maintains that what I cannot have I must teach myself not to desire, that a desire eliminated, or successfully resisted, is as good as a desire satisfied, is a sublime, but, it seems to me, unmistakable, form of the doctrine of sour grapes: what I cannot be sure of, I cannot truly want. This makes it clear why the definition of negative liberty as the ability to do what one wishes - which is, in e 920424;1415919788;JuliaTourianski;will not do. If I find that I am able to do little or nothing of what I wish, I need only contract or extinguish my wishes, and I am made free. If the tyrant (or 'hidden persuader') manages to condition his subjects (or customers) into losing their original wishes and embracing ('internalising') 920425;1415919789;asciilifeform;facetious? 920426;1415919799;JuliaTourianski;the form of life he has invented for them, he will, on this definition, have succeeded in liberating them. He will, no doubt, have made them feel free - as Epictetus feels freer than his master (and the proverbial good man is said to feel happy on the rack). But what he has created is the very antithesis of political freedom 920427;1415919809;mircea_popescu;mebbe use a pastebin next time. 920428;1415919860;JuliaTourianski;meh i dunno. i'm trying to gage some thought that will surprise me maybe 920429;1415919871;JuliaTourianski;high hopes for mircea 920430;1415919883;asciilifeform;JuliaTourianski: try this on for size: 920431;1415919886;mircea_popescu;well so far we're at the point where we try to find out what you mean by words. 920432;1415919887;asciilifeform;!s sleep ad libitum 920433;1415919887;assbot;3 results for 'sleep ad libitum' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=sleep+ad+libitum 920434;1415919899;JuliaTourianski;ahaha 920435;1415919944;*;BingoBoingo finds it more useful to consider freedom a conditional 920436;1415919946;JuliaTourianski;alright I'll be super direct: is freedom possible? and if so, what is it? 920437;1415919970;mircea_popescu;JuliaTourianski for "it" to "be" something you're making some presumptions. is the color pink possible ? if so, what is it ? 920438;1415919987;mircea_popescu;if you define it as em with wavelength so and so, then yes. 920439;1415919994;mircea_popescu;otherwise... depends, pls to explain what you mean. 920440;1415920010;JuliaTourianski;actually i am not making presumptions at all. I am admitting to be color blind here 920441;1415920012;*;BingoBoingo also thinks the F-word is too tainted by abuse to be useful on its own. 920442;1415920036;mircea_popescu;JuliaTourianski lol you ever read how sussman was englightened ? 920443;1415920050;JuliaTourianski;no 920444;1415920058;mircea_popescu;In the days when Sussman was a novice, Minsky once came to him as he sat hacking at the PDP-6. 920445;1415920058;mircea_popescu;"What are you doing?", asked Minsky. 920446;1415920058;mircea_popescu;"I am training a randomly wired neural net to play Tic-tac-toe", Sussman replied. 920447;1415920058;mircea_popescu;"Why is the net wired randomly?", asked Minsky. 920448;1415920058;mircea_popescu;"I do not want it to have any preconceptions of how to play", Sussman said. 920449;1415920059;mircea_popescu;Minsky then shut his eyes. 920450;1415920061;mircea_popescu;"Why do you close your eyes?" Sussman asked his teacher. 920451;1415920061;asciilifeform;inevitably modern discussions of 'freedom' reveal themselves as having the purpose of convincing a chump that the entire concept, but specifically his wishes to not be a zoo animal, is delusional and he 'is bad and should feel bad' 920452;1415920063;mircea_popescu;"So that the room will be empty." 920453;1415920065;mircea_popescu;At that moment, Sussman was enlightened. 920454;1415920072;BingoBoingo;http://www.catb.org/jargon/html/koans.html 920455;1415920072;assbot;Some AI Koans 920456;1415920088;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo by exception from the general rule, i actually wanted this one in teh record. 920457;1415920117;asciilifeform;this must be at least the 7th time sussman and his neural net pop up here. 920458;1415920120;BingoBoingo;Sure, figured I'd like the source for the sake of the rest of the stories 920459;1415920127;mircea_popescu;im a sucker for it, what can i say. 920460;1415920134;BingoBoingo;!s sussman 920461;1415920135;assbot;5 results for 'sussman' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=sussman 920462;1415920148;asciilifeform;!s minsky 920463;1415920149;assbot;0 results for 'minsky' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=minsky 920464;1415920156;mircea_popescu;!s minski 920465;1415920156;assbot;0 results for 'minski' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=minski 920466;1415920159;mircea_popescu;a well. 920467;1415920162;asciilifeform;eh. 920468;1415920164;JuliaTourianski;asciilifeform now that's presumptuous...even though I agree 920469;1415920188;JuliaTourianski;better questions 920470;1415920203;JuliaTourianski;is the discussion of freedom even important or relevant anymore 920471;1415920226;mircea_popescu;no discussion is either important or ever relevant if the discussers don't know what they mean by words. 920472;1415920248;asciilifeform;very important and relevant - to the zookeper - he is quite interested in making sure that it stays as it traditionally tends to be, useless and irrelevant. 920473;1415920249;JuliaTourianski;what do i need to clairfy for you mircea 920474;1415920276;mircea_popescu;you can start with coercion., 920475;1415920299;JuliaTourianski;I quoted something, so I'd have to ask mr. berlin what he means 920476;1415920329;mircea_popescu;well yes, i guess you should. much like we can't use unsigned patches for any reason, you can't use undefined jumbles for any thinking. 920477;1415920354;mircea_popescu;generally writers do readers the courtesy of defining stuff tho. 920478;1415920358;JuliaTourianski;i think he means interference from governing bodies 920479;1415920386;asciilifeform;then goes the other question, is 'king hunger' a governing body? 920480;1415920389;JuliaTourianski;"One is that all coercion is, in so far as it frustrates human desires, bad as such, although it may have to be applied to prevent other, greater evils; while non-interference, which is the opposite of coercion, is good as such, although it is not the only good." 920481;1415920404;mircea_popescu;so how would education work in this paradigm ? 920482;1415920415;JuliaTourianski;+asciilifeform yeah, i've been thinking about that. 920483;1415920416;asciilifeform;http://work-way.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/01/59532394.jpg 920484;1415920423;asciilifeform;^ 'king hunger' 920485;1415920424;mircea_popescu;because that happens to be both the source and the point of coercion in practice. 920486;1415920432;asciilifeform;see also king gravity, king thermodynamics, etc. 920487;1415920451;asciilifeform;(king hunger is actually just an affiliate duke under king thermo) 920488;1415920463;JuliaTourianski;Dostoyevsky said: "boots are superior to Pushkin" so what is freedom? freedom to starve of freeze in the cold? or freedom to be warm and fed under rule 920489;1415920475;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform it's come full circle, by now the unruly stupid children of yesteryear are forming pseudophylosophyc systems to justify their sillyness. 920490;1415920477;JuliaTourianski;and* 920491;1415920502;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: 'В мире есть царь: этот царь беспощаден, Голод названье ему.' ( http://www.stihi-rus.ru/1/Nekrasov/30.htm ) 920492;1415920581;JuliaTourianski;both positive and negative liberty is used very well by every side of power 920493;1415920586;mircea_popescu;JuliaTourianski let's look through all this by using a model of yourself as a little girl. 920494;1415920600;mircea_popescu;you are a little girl growing up in the house of your parents, which is all nice and good. 920495;1415920603;JuliaTourianski;pleasant thoughts from you as always 920496;1415920641;mircea_popescu;you get to be 16. at this point you figure - miuch like that chick in wuthering heights or whichever had the 7 sisters - you have about as much need of fucking as you have of someone sticking his finger up your nose. 920497;1415920659;mircea_popescu;this notwithstanding, a strange man comes, takes you away, puts you in a new place and makes you pregnant. 920498;1415920675;mircea_popescu;this is obviously coercitive, on the part of said man. 920499;1415920701;mircea_popescu;nevertheless, you get over it, and the wound heals like any wound, and now you have children, which of course you love, being so wired to do. 920500;1415920715;mircea_popescu;but now they are 16, and a man comes and takes them to war, where they get shot and die. 920501;1415920726;mircea_popescu;this, obviously, also coercitive. 920502;1415920746;mircea_popescu;the alternative being, of course, that you could be an old maid, in which case the same children would be... just as equally dead. 920503;1415920775;mircea_popescu;or else, that you'd have unbearable brats the sort that grow up to be isaiah berlin and fill the world with the idiocy of their parareasonings as to why nobody ever needs to grow the fuck up already. 920504;1415920811;mircea_popescu;then the whole ecosystem collapses under their weight ; rocks fall, everyone dies ; the mongols come to rape the lot. 920505;1415920824;mircea_popescu;coercion, wtf do you mean coercion ? you're sitting on a chair right now, your but's coerced. 920506;1415920833;JuliaTourianski;hahah 920507;1415920852;JuliaTourianski;i think him and you agree on more than you think 920508;1415920866;mircea_popescu;of course we do. 920509;1415920883;JuliaTourianski;"If I save myself from an adversary by retreating indoors and locking every entrance and exit, I may remain freer than if I had been captured by him, but am I freer than if I had defeated or captured him? If I go too far, contract myself into too small a space, I shall suffocate and die. The logical culmination of the process of destroying everything through which I can possibly be wounded is suicide. While I exist 920510;1415920894;mircea_popescu;!up berndj 920511;1415920897;JuliaTourianski;I can never be wholly secure. Total liberation in this sense (as Schopenhauer correctly perceived) is conferred only by death.28 920512;1415920952;berndj;JuliaTourianski, do you know the book _48 laws of power_? your "sour grapes" comment reminded me, there's rule 36: Disdain things you cannot have: ignoring them is the best revenge 920513;1415920984;JuliaTourianski;berndj i have lately...been a master of this. 920514;1415921003;JuliaTourianski;i do know the book but i have yet to tread it 920515;1415921007;JuliaTourianski;read* 920516;1415921015;undata;I'm skeptical anyone who ever read a book called "48 Laws of Power" ever had any 920517;1415921015;JuliaTourianski;worth it? 920518;1415921019;berndj;totally! 920519;1415921044;undata;or if they did, it must've been the only thing on the toilet 920520;1415921059;berndj;lol undata many of its pages were indeed read on the toilet 920521;1415921069;JuliaTourianski;the who question on non-agression is interesting too 920522;1415921115;JuliaTourianski;i said it was flawed in a mailing list and i got some very insulted ancaps on my case 920523;1415921126;mircea_popescu;!up Mobuis 920524;1415921145;Mobuis;Thank you. 920525;1415921171;JuliaTourianski;Woman and man at a bar. They may or may not be flirting...each may interpret their interaction differently. Man grabs woman's ass. Woman punches man in face. Has there been a violation of the non-aggression principle? What if the woman liked it or wanted it, but felt embarrassed of her urges due to the public setting and retaliated in a way she felt redeemable. Or maybe she was abused as a child and the act de 920526;1415921180;JuliaTourianski;We can't know. So who aggressed against who? Should the man have asked to grab her ass first...well, that would contradict the entire concept of the mutual thrill of ass grabbing. 920527;1415921209;mircea_popescu;o wait, english speakers actually know that exists ? 920528;1415921218;mircea_popescu;jesus it must suck. 920529;1415921570;danielpbarron;try asking an "ancap" if you have the right to beat your own kids/wives/slaves on your own property 920530;1415921609;mircea_popescu;what's the location got to do with it !? 920531;1415921663;jurov;http://bugs.python.org/issue7143 at last! 920532;1415921664;assbot;Issue 7143: get_payload(decode=True) eats last newline in base64 encoded payload - Python tracker 920533;1415921684;JuliaTourianski;mircea_popescu did you run a porn site 920534;1415921713;berndj;mircea_popescu, presumably on a road, the owner of the road might require you to sign a contract that forbids beating your kids 920535;1415921727;mircea_popescu;jurov ahahaha o god help us. that is like a canonical example of evil. 920536;1415921743;mircea_popescu;JuliaTourianski dja mea nthe 4chan clone ? 920537;1415921760;mircea_popescu;berndj can he now ? 920538;1415921806;berndj;can who now what? 920539;1415921843;mircea_popescu;can some dude owning a road require me anything. 920540;1415921947;JuliaTourianski;danielpbarron most would sa no because NAP 920541;1415921967;mircea_popescu;;;ud nap 920542;1415921968;gribble;http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=nap | nap. 3 hours of sleep or less. Zerostar took a nap from 2pm to 5pm. by GheTTo January 08, ... My roommate just left for class, so I think I'm going to take a nap. 920543;1415921976;JuliaTourianski;mircea_popescu so did u 920544;1415921992;mircea_popescu;so what's this nap ? 920545;1415922009;RagnarDanneskjol;she asks about pron likely b/c forum muppets derping about your random erotic art posts on 'lema 920546;1415922039;JuliaTourianski;what kind of porn was it 920547;1415922045;BingoBoingo;Oh no, RagnarDanneskjol MP once ran a chan site. Full of people posting n00dz 920548;1415922076;JuliaTourianski;i may break my abstinence tonight if this website still exists 920549;1415922091;RagnarDanneskjol;ah 920550;1415922111;BingoBoingo;Site was polimedia.us/dtng 920551;1415922125;undata;mircea_popescu: a religious notion that anarchists suppose would bring about peace on earth and good will towards men 920552;1415922142;undata;the non-aggression principle 920553;1415922147;mircea_popescu;oh, that. 920554;1415922149;mircea_popescu;eh, bs. 920555;1415922174;mircea_popescu;what, the "i have no balls" tag was taken ? 920556;1415922179;BingoBoingo;Yeah, the *archists would reintroduce aggression 920557;1415922217;BingoBoingo;There's always going to be a *archy 920558;1415922230;undata;BingoBoingo: but... read this blog post about how mean it is 920559;1415922240;mircea_popescu;JuliaTourianski which webiste ? dtng was basically... a chan. you know, random people posting whatever. 920560;1415922251;mircea_popescu;if i recall there was a lengthy thread of naked women in star wars paraphenalia 920561;1415922259;mircea_popescu;weird shit like that. 920562;1415922292;BingoBoingo;undata: Of course *archy is mean. Just avoid the robokleptarchy 920563;1415922315;JuliaTourianski;dissapointing 920564;1415922608;undata;http://i.ytimg.com/vi/mp6C4g23uYo/hqdefault.jpg 920565;1415922611;undata;LOOOL 920566;1415922618;RagnarDanneskjol;did we just miss a golden opportunity to have miss T. break this abstinence streak? 920567;1415922628;undata;https://www.google.com/search?q=julia+tourianski 920568;1415922628;assbot;julia tourianski - Google Search 920569;1415922743;*;BingoBoingo wonders what shitgnome introduced "non-aggression" into ananrchy. With the persistence of the *archy it would seem that aggression would be necessary in one's own defense. 920570;1415922940;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo i;ll tell you how that went. dudes for some reason perceive the need to "sell" it, and since it's obvious that you can't sell something to someone that the someone;d perceive as a "worse" alternative, then necessarily it must be made so that anarchy is not more painful to the average derp than you know, the 1980s in the us. 920571;1415922979;mircea_popescu;notwithstanding that the only possible point to even having anarchy in the first place is to render the sorts of idiots that'd fall for it. 920572;1415923041;undata;"Those guys over there are organizing! Someone should stop them! But how?" 920573;1415923068;BingoBoingo;To think that 100 years ago anarchist aggression started a conflict among the euroarchists 920574;1415923076;mircea_popescu;twice. 920575;1415923090;mircea_popescu;before being coopted by the socialists, the russian revolution was pure anarchism. 920576;1415923110;mircea_popescu;for that matter, the us was quite a different beast before being coopted by the socialists to. 920577;1415923125;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: mahno's or more generally? 920578;1415923134;mircea_popescu;it's funny, this particular bromilliad, sometimes catches root on a tree, then proceds to derp all about how you know, the purpose of the tree is it! 920579;1415923141;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform more generally. 920580;1415923151;mircea_popescu;even stalin was (and roughly stayed) an anarchist. 920581;1415923233;mircea_popescu;the purpose of trees, to hear the bromeliaceae tell it, is to one day support one! and in fact all life on earth evolves towards that peak of creation, a parasite plant of little notice. 920582;1415923427;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 41650 @ 0.00044509 = 18.538 BTC [-] {2} 920583;1415923550;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform merely consider the fact that the politbureau did not customarily seek to include the general opinion of the populace. not exactly socialism, this, is it ? 920584;1415923568;mircea_popescu;the chinese pretend themselves communists, but really... the us is more advanced on the socialist path than they are. 920585;1415923604;asciilifeform;usa just solved the 'problem' of popular opinion in a rather different way. 920586;1415923619;joecool;distraction? 920587;1415923639;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform but at least the usian populace gets to pick which butt to be pictured bare. 920588;1415923647;mircea_popescu;the soviets had no equivalent input in the workings of pravda. 920589;1415923654;asciilifeform;really? i don't recall being asked - which butt. 920590;1415923666;mircea_popescu;you personally ? well no, that's not teh socialist way. 920591;1415923668;mircea_popescu;there's metrics, yo. 920592;1415923670;asciilifeform;aha. 920593;1415923686;chetty;but those are all made up 920594;1415923695;mircea_popescu;this entire sign things stuff we do is exactly antisocialist. 920595;1415923700;asciilifeform;in usa, they not only had better steel and semiconductors, back in the day, they also had better chumpatronics. 920596;1415923709;asciilifeform;which was the undoing. 920597;1415923748;asciilifeform;see also limonov's discussion re: 'hard' vs 'soft' totalitarianisms 920598;1415923761;joecool; even stalin was (and roughly stayed) an anarchist. < would you expound on this a bit? I have never seen that viewpoint expressed 920599;1415923771;asciilifeform;'hard' is when you end up needing to physically restrain people, actually shoot dissenters, etc. 920600;1415923782;mircea_popescu;joecool well, consider his early life. guy robbed banks and generally lived as an outlaw. 920601;1415923784;asciilifeform;'soft' - when the entire concept of meaningful resistance becomes a hard problem 920602;1415923793;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16000 @ 0.00044868 = 7.1789 BTC [+] 920603;1415923810;mircea_popescu;joecool on what grounds would you identify pre-1930 stalin as a socialist ? 920604;1415923830;joecool;mircea_popescu: ah so personally he ran his life as such is what you mean, not his government so much? 920605;1415923850;mircea_popescu;wait a second. what part of the "you folks are like blind kittens" is socialist, iyo ? 920606;1415923862;mircea_popescu;"i know better than you lot, you lot are stupid, not least of all for being a lot in the first place". 920607;1415923869;mircea_popescu;does this sound a lot like socialism to you ? 920608;1415923888;joecool;mircea_popescu: not thinking it was socialism, I just didn't consider it anarchism 920609;1415923896;mircea_popescu;he ran his government exactly like you'd expect a lifetime anarchist war hero to run a government. 920610;1415923902;mircea_popescu;broz tito did exactly the same thing. 920611;1415923910;asciilifeform;where are the mythical 'actual socialists' - and what is even the point of looking for them. 920612;1415923944;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform i linked a youtube of a pirvulescu attack on ceausescu. 920613;1415923953;undata;not to derail, but I have to paste this here: http://www.theverge.com/2014/11/13/7213819/your-bowling-shirt-is-holding-back-progress 920614;1415923954;assbot;I don't care if you landed a spacecraft on a comet, your shirt is sexist and ostracizing | The Verge 920615;1415923960;mircea_popescu;that was exactly "career socialist vs anarchist that overtook the party" moment. 920616;1415923977;undata;apparently that guy's shirt is why women don't "science" 920617;1415924005;mircea_popescu;undata not sure why anyone cares what Chris Plante & Arielle Duhaime-Ross have to say on any topic. 920618;1415924012;mircea_popescu;they're the reason nobody reads the verge. 920619;1415924036;undata;mircea_popescu: representative of opinions you hear in Portland quite often 920620;1415924044;mircea_popescu;except i don't. :) 920621;1415924060;undata;ha, right. 920622;1415924071;mircea_popescu;* at that moment, undata was enlightened * lol 920623;1415924113;mircea_popescu;anyway, to be noted that the european space agency did it. the us relevancy, like the mass of the comet, withering away by the minute. 920624;1415924126;*;mircea_popescu recalls the eu space agency early on, such a risible attempt. 920625;1415924140;mircea_popescu;you know, back when the euro "didn't have a chance", and like the canadian dollar, traded under the usd. 920626;1415924558;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform here's one for ya : a google for McIlroy produces a solid pages of derpage about some random kid playing golf. 920627;1415924628;asciilifeform;lol! 920628;1415924714;mircea_popescu;i have a lot of sympathy for kids trying to piece together some shard of understanding out of isaiah berlin, rory mcilroy and ronald mcdonald. 920629;1415924739;assbot;Last 3 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/345DS4X.txt ) 920630;1415924739;BingoBoingo;!b 3 920631;1415924759;BingoBoingo;http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2014/11/beirut-cops-cant-tell-hipsters-from-jihadis.html 920632;1415924761;assbot;Beirut Cops Can’t Tell Hipsters From Jihadis -- NYMag 920633;1415924839;mircea_popescu;moreso than for their parents, trying to do the same out of marx, ziggler, carnegey and whatever other fitness trainers and pop-philosophers the almanacs would print. 920634;1415924954;mircea_popescu;http://www.catb.org/~esr/writings/unix-koans/unix-nature.html << not bad, incidentally. 920635;1415924986;gernika;cazalla might this be related enough to bitcoin to cover?: http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/middle-east/isis-declares-new-currency-will-be-circulated-in-its-bid-to-establish-caliphate-across-syria-and-iraq-9859752.html 920636;1415924987;assbot;Isis declares new currency will be circulated in its bid to establish caliphate across Syria and Iraq - Middle East - World - The Independent 920637;1415925099;cazalla;gernika, are you trying to get me arrested for promoting ISIS? 920638;1415925111;gernika;No 920639;1415925119;asciilifeform;nah, for promoting gold. 920640;1415925121;mircea_popescu;lol that bad is it ? 920641;1415925148;cazalla;mircea_popescu, they kicked down the door of one muslim family for having a plastic sword so yeah 920642;1415925161;mircea_popescu;nuts 920643;1415925183;BingoBoingo;Eh, I'll write an ISIS coin article then. 920644;1415925260;cazalla;gernika, i can't say i'm that interested in promoting altcoins but thanks for the tip 920645;1415925365;gernika;cazalla are gold and silver altcoins? 920646;1415925471;gernika;Just seems to run contrary to the usgovmedia claim that ISIS is using bitcoin. 920647;1415925473;cazalla;gernika, we have bitcoin so yeah, at least personally 920648;1415925504;mircea_popescu;they've not actually made that claim, have they ? 920649;1415925510;mircea_popescu;other than gossip 920650;1415925535;gernika;mircea_popescu you're right - the claim is that it *could* be used by them I suppose. 920651;1415925546;cazalla;some media claimed so but it was just an ISIS fansite requesting bitcoin donations to pay for hosting 920652;1415925566;mircea_popescu;clearly terrorist internet funbux then. 920653;1415925596;asciilifeform;they'd need to find a way to replace ecdsa with an equivalent of caesar's cipher first. 920654;1415925646;asciilifeform;(who was it who had a piece on how supposed 'enemies of usa' are required, by the laws of god himself, to use idiotically childlike crypto? was it mircea_popescu ?) 920655;1415925675;mircea_popescu;http://trilema.com/2013/the-danger-of-homebrew-crypto/ that ? 920656;1415925675;assbot;The danger of homebrew crypto pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. 920657;1415925679;asciilifeform;aha. 920658;1415926177;jurov;http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/patches.html finally something 920659;1415926200;asciilifeform;'signed by' ? 920660;1415926219;jurov;there will be sigs from other people 920661;1415926224;asciilifeform;i'd suggest showing original patch author's sig also 920662;1415926232;jurov;also, it will be hyperlinked to messages in archive 920663;1415926249;jurov;yes, that will be link from "submitted by" 920664;1415926251;mircea_popescu;o hey nice! 920665;1415926252;asciilifeform;(one could hypothetically have a patch 'submitted by' mr x but 'signed by' mr y 920666;1415926255;jurov;the original singature 920667;1415926263;asciilifeform;or does 'submitted by' always refer to original sig 920668;1415926272;jurov;mhm ok 920669;1415926275;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform that anything needs a 1st signature to even be sumitted is not abad design decision 920670;1415926289;mircea_popescu;well yeah, obviously. right jurov ? 920671;1415926324;jurov;yes, without 1st sig it won't appear there 920672;1415926424;jurov;also, ascii as right pentester scattered multiple dots in the filename so it got shortened 920673;1415926433;asciilifeform;lol! 920674;1415926442;jurov;it's incredible how he happened to hit multiple bugs at once 920675;1415926444;mircea_popescu;lmao 920676;1415926454;thestringpuller;http://www.cnbc.com/id/102183717 << Hahaha 920677;1415926454;mircea_popescu;maybe he knew what he was doing ? 920678;1415926501;mircea_popescu;jurov incidentally, gimme the short version, how do i submit to this thing ? 920679;1415926534;asciilifeform;jurov: i got yet another copy of 'patch' in email. i presume you are turning the knobs as we speak? 920680;1415926541;jurov;http://ml.therealbitcoin.org/mailman/listinfo/btc-dev "Submitting patches" 920681;1415926544;mircea_popescu;ty 920682;1415926546;jurov;can;'t get much shorter 920683;1415926565;asciilifeform;!up ml.therealbitcoin.org 920684;1415926568;asciilifeform;damn 920685;1415926572;asciilifeform;;;isup ml.therealbitcoin.org 920686;1415926575;gribble;ml.therealbitcoin.org is down 920687;1415926575;mircea_popescu;yeah did it just die ? 920688;1415926594;jurov;therealbitcoin.org/mailman/listinfo/btc-dev 920689;1415926604;jurov;sry ml. is for internal use only 920690;1415926641;asciilifeform;someone (who read it!) try signing my patch ? 920691;1415926652;asciilifeform;see if displays. 920692;1415926665;mircea_popescu;jurov specifically, is there any way for me to submit signature comments ? 920693;1415926686;jurov;reply to the thread? 920694;1415926703;asciilifeform;jurov: how would he (or anyone else) submit a detached sig meant to go with a particular patch ? 920695;1415926710;asciilifeform;in such a way that it displays under 'signed by' 920696;1415926721;jurov;by using the file name 920697;1415926724;mircea_popescu;"Recommended process is to pipe the signed message text directly to mailx or similar client without ambitions." ahahaha gotta love jurov. 920698;1415926729;jurov;like 920699;1415926734;asciilifeform;jurov: wouldn't this result in duplicates ? 920700;1415926740;jurov;wget http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/attachments/20141112/bitcoin-asciilifeform_a6ada6bb9cebb9540df1fda3465d942a4631d202.2-https_snipsnip.patch 920701;1415926749;mircea_popescu;jurov but suppose i wish to say "reviewed X part ; Y part outside of my comprehension". can not be done ? 920702;1415926752;*;asciilifeform does not ever want to read duplicates 920703;1415926758;jurov;gpg -b bitcoin-asciilifeform_a6ada6bb9cebb9540df1fda3465d942a4631d202.2-https_snipsnip.patch 920704;1415926788;jurov;it will make blablabla...hexporn.patch.sig 920705;1415926804;jurov;send this file under this name as attachment 920706;1415926810;mircea_popescu;so basically, the correct approach here would have been for ascii to make a patch for each individual diff ? 920707;1415926818;jurov;it pairs the sig to the patch by name 920708;1415926826;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: i have an idea here. if this actually plays out, you would say to me: 'i will not sign X. because i grok X.a but not X.b. please split into two, and i shall sign X.a, or go on to explain to me precisely how X.b works.' 920709;1415926829;jurov;you mean individual hunks? 920710;1415926848;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform but what if you communicating with me is impractical ? because say, you're dead. 920711;1415926849;mircea_popescu;jurov yes. 920712;1415926862;asciilifeform;well, when i'm dead, someone else (e.g. you) can cut X into X.a and X.b 920713;1415926876;mircea_popescu;well no, because then all the history is lost. 920714;1415926876;jurov;mircea_popescu: if stan is dead you'll split it yourself and resend with your sigs 920715;1415926885;asciilifeform;X.b will sit, as an orphan, inside a comment thread, until the fateful day that someone picks it up, and signs it, and convinces others to. 920716;1415926889;mircea_popescu;and what of the 500 orher dead people that signed his ? 920717;1415926892;asciilifeform;aha what jurov said 920718;1415926894;jurov;i dunno how it can be cryptographically linked 920719;1415926935;asciilifeform;eventually all signatures belong to the dead. 920720;1415926939;mircea_popescu;right. 920721;1415926946;mircea_popescu;so for this reason, all patches must be mononuclear ? 920722;1415926955;asciilifeform;that was my original suggestion. 920723;1415926967;asciilifeform;that a patch, a particular one, is a particular identifiable 'thing.' 920724;1415926979;mircea_popescu;so what happened to the suggestion ? 920725;1415926989;asciilifeform;e.g., 'here we burn gavin's broadcaster out with hot iron.' 920726;1415926996;asciilifeform;'here we remove https.' 920727;1415927000;jurov;which suggestion? 920728;1415927008;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform his. 920729;1415927015;mircea_popescu;oops. jurov asciilifeform's. 920730;1415927026;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 39845 @ 0.00045202 = 18.0107 BTC [+] {2} 920731;1415927036;asciilifeform;to be clear, my suggestion concerned how to write patches. 920732;1415927047;mircea_popescu;anyway, even if they are all mononuclear, there's still semantic value to be had. suppose i wish to say "have read and understood this to do what it says ; have not tested it in fact". 920733;1415927060;mircea_popescu;should this be verboten, and all or nothing commitment upon signer ? 920734;1415927083;asciilifeform;this was actually a point i brought up when mircea_popescu said 'one day you shall earn bread by signing code' or something to that effect 920735;1415927092;jurov;for thi there's the mailman archive 920736;1415927094;asciilifeform;my question was, that day, 'sign under what' 920737;1415927096;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform i know. 920738;1415927117;jurov;otherwise i hve no idea how to put such semantic metainfo in the db 920739;1415927125;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform you do appreciate the following point : up until and in any case unless one actually had to put his own signature, these matters never have been seriously considered by asnyone. 920740;1415927132;mircea_popescu;so in that sense, great progress. 920741;1415927143;asciilifeform;these matters were considered by engineers since hammurabi. 920742;1415927144;jurov;maybe you want to rate the patch? lol 920743;1415927147;mircea_popescu;jurov im not even sure it should be there. 920744;1415927150;jurov;;;rate -1 sketchy 920745;1415927150;gribble;Error: 'sketchy' is not a valid integer. 920746;1415927172;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform i mean specifically about patches to foss. 920747;1415927176;asciilifeform;aha 920748;1415927215;mircea_popescu;or for any other system where stuff can be changed / "contributed" by "nobody". but anyway, we digress. 920749;1415927243;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform do me the courtesy and resubmit as mono patches and then the new ones can win the longer sigchain race with the original one ? 920750;1415927257;asciilifeform;mono patches? 920751;1415927266;mircea_popescu;1 change per patch. 920752;1415927276;asciilifeform;1 change as in, 1 line? 920753;1415927280;jurov;well, the https one is pretty compact 920754;1415927284;mircea_popescu;shit the hard questions you ask. 920755;1415927288;*;asciilifeform is a little confused here 920756;1415927289;mircea_popescu;i dunno ;/ 920757;1415927293;jurov;if it will be shorter, it could not compilke 920758;1415927296;mircea_popescu;what should "one" mean in this fortran ? 920759;1415927299;asciilifeform;when i originally suggested 'one change', it was a semantic thing 920760;1415927310;asciilifeform;as in, 'and here we remove the nuclear detonator' 920761;1415927326;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform myeah. 920762;1415927326;asciilifeform;rather than 'one line of code' (try reading the result!) or somesuch. 920763;1415927337;mircea_popescu;jurov seems the site needs the extension of a "patch notes" clickable field ? 920764;1415927348;asciilifeform;in that respect, all of the patches i (and the 2 other fellows) offered so far, are monolithic. 920765;1415927368;mircea_popescu;and similarly, signatures get a "sig notes" following them, like signed by 01ABFFC7(n) 02ABFFC7(n) etc 920766;1415927397;jurov;yes, it's in pipeline 920767;1415927400;mircea_popescu;seems to me this'd resolve all outstanding problems. 920768;1415927422;asciilifeform;so what will be the convention for submitting 'patch note with sig' ? 920769;1415927445;mircea_popescu;as to the meaning ? 920770;1415927451;jurov;put clearsigned note into email body 920771;1415927454;asciilifeform;also i don't remember if i reminded anyone of this, but unix 'patch' utility is rather braindead. 920772;1415927457;jurov;or first att 920773;1415927468;asciilifeform;in that, for example, all of the patches submitted so far will break if one is removed from the chain. 920774;1415927470;jurov;and detached sig as second att 920775;1415927485;asciilifeform;(line number idiocy) 920776;1415927488;mircea_popescu;jurov sample code for mailx in the help file would help a great deal. 920777;1415927495;mircea_popescu;i know this from the mpex faq days. 920778;1415927521;jurov;mircea_popescu: gpg --clearsign | mailx btc-dev@therealbitcoin.org 920779;1415927535;jurov;this needs explicit mention? 920780;1415927540;mircea_popescu;jurov this handles the attachment scheme you wish to use ? 920781;1415927558;jurov;oh that, mailx does not handle attachments 920782;1415927562;asciilifeform;jurov: this is not a working example 920783;1415927607;mircea_popescu;well if mailx doesn'tdo attachments then why do you suggest people use it to mail you attachments lol. 920784;1415927618;thestringpuller;;;ticker 920785;1415927619;gribble;Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 410.23, Best ask: 410.66, Bid-ask spread: 0.43000, Last trade: 410.2, 24 hour volume: 49225.83783296, 24 hour low: 381.55, 24 hour high: 453.92, 24 hour vwap: 419.932867651 920786;1415927636;jurov;i suggested it for text.. but yes it's dumb 920787;1415927717;jurov;apparently it actually does with uuencode..okay another todo 920788;1415927758;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 72350 @ 0.00045058 = 32.5995 BTC [-] {2} 920789;1415927787;mircea_popescu;anyway, i'd say this is progressing nicely. 920790;1415928307;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22574 @ 0.0004444 = 10.0319 BTC [-] 920791;1415928642;nubbins`;i must not derp. derping is the mind-killer. 920792;1415928660;nubbins`;derping is the little stupidity that leads to total insolvency 920793;1415928666;mircea_popescu;lol if this cult thing catches on we can even have derpfessions. "have you derped my son ?" 920794;1415928672;nubbins`;i will face my derp 920795;1415928682;nubbins`;i will permit it to pass over me and through me 920796;1415928687;mircea_popescu;there could be a new disease, the derpes... 920797;1415928695;asciilifeform;http://static.oper.ru/data/site/obama.png 920798;1415928697;nubbins`;HAHAHAHAHAHAHA 920799;1415928705;nubbins`;derpes simplex 920800;1415928710;nubbins`;my actual sides 920801;1415928735;mircea_popescu;as in, "kissing Arielle Duhaime-Ross will give you herpes, but reading her inanity in the verge will give you derpes" 920802;1415928736;asciilifeform;(from, naturally, rt: http://russian.rt.com/article/58508#ixzz3IUAu0a71 ) 920803;1415928763;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform wait, what ?! 920804;1415928771;BingoBoingo;Watch our for the monkeys with Derpes B 920805;1415928779;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: misprint. they fired the monkey. 920806;1415928784;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo you mean derpes c++ ? 920807;1415928789;asciilifeform;it was 'osama' originally. 920808;1415928804;mircea_popescu;oic lol 920809;1415928816;nubbins`; EATS THE TRAILING NEWLINE <<< fwiw deeds eats the trailing \n 920810;1415928835;nubbins`;srsly, won't verify with it 920811;1415928859;jurov;nubbins` after the signature? 920812;1415928864;nubbins`;yes 920813;1415928867;ben_vulpes;wow did you assholes poop out 1600 lines today? 920814;1415928870;jurov;interesting 920815;1415928871;nubbins`;!s deed utils 920816;1415928872;assbot;6 results for 'deed utils' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=deed+utils 920817;1415928879;mircea_popescu;;;google wasn't me 920818;1415928879;gribble;Shaggy - It Wasn't Me - YouTube: ; It Wasn't Me - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: ; It Wasn't Me Lyrics Shaggy - Genius: 920819;1415928888;jurov;ohai ben_vulpes 920820;1415928895;jurov;we aren;'t done yet 920821;1415928900;ben_vulpes;heyo jurov mailthing still ongoing saga? 920822;1415928909;nubbins`;jurov http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-11-2014#908001 920823;1415928909;assbot;Logged on 03-11-2014 17:23:14; nubbins`: tool for predicting deed ID of clearsigned file: http://pastebin.com/Ls76h1kd 920824;1415928920;nubbins`;line 11 920825;1415928958;jurov;this ended up py base64 decoder bug... deeds don't do anything w/base64 i hope 920826;1415928975;mircea_popescu;odd 920827;1415928990;nubbins`;i grab the base64 deed via json when verifying 920828;1415928997;nubbins`;but it's not necessary to b64 anything 920829;1415929007;jurov;lol, so upgrade to py 2.7 then 920830;1415929014;ben_vulpes;hah you guys got nubbins` programming? 920831;1415929047;nubbins`;5 years in the trenches, baby 920832;1415929056;ben_vulpes;(again)? 920833;1415929062;nubbins`;no. never again. 920834;1415929089;nubbins`;but try as i may, some parts of my old brain just won't reformat 920835;1415929120;mircea_popescu;coding is like buttsex, can be enjoyable if well paced. 920836;1415929126;nubbins`;jurov fwiw some (most?) text editors append a \n at the end of text files 920837;1415929131;nubbins`;i know pico does 920838;1415929144;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: also in the permanent deformations of the respective organs. 920839;1415929160;nubbins`;heh 920840;1415929167;jurov;nubbins`: but they usually show it (you can move to the new line) 920841;1415929171;mircea_popescu;that's a myth. 920842;1415929179;jurov;vim sees '\\\n' but doesn't show it 920843;1415929183;mircea_popescu;i bet you you can't pikc out butt virgins in a line-up. 920844;1415929188;*;asciilifeform can only speak for the programming 920845;1415929189;mircea_popescu;not unless the actual women open up. 920846;1415929201;nubbins`;jurov true. upon reopening the file it's there 920847;1415929203;nubbins`;but... 920848;1415929210;nubbins`;how does one save a text file that doesn't end in \n? 920849;1415929214;nubbins`;not so easy 920850;1415929223;ben_vulpes;so does the patchpusher work or not? 920851;1415929234;mircea_popescu;prototype works, more stuff to be added. 920852;1415929245;nubbins`;truthfully i wonder if deedbot shouldn't be stripping the trailing \n 920853;1415929253;mircea_popescu;why ? 920854;1415929275;nubbins`;ehh 920855;1415929280;nubbins`;i don't know ;/ 920856;1415929299;mircea_popescu;lmao 920857;1415929314;mircea_popescu;maybe darcs should strip the trailing \n then ? 920858;1415929315;nubbins`;why in the fuck do text editors add it in the first place? 920859;1415929367;nubbins`;mildly amusing that this is the most difficult part of all this stuff, in the meantime 920860;1415929392;mircea_popescu;yup 920861;1415929397;undata;nubbins`: some farty unix convention 920862;1415929402;undata;http://stackoverflow.com/questions/729692/why-should-files-end-with-a-newline 920863;1415929403;assbot;history - Why should files end with a newline? - Stack Overflow 920864;1415929425;nubbins`;i assumed it was so if you spat the file out, the bash prompt would be on a new line 920865;1415929481;undata;everyone in that thread is just saying that they're "supposed to" 920866;1415929496;mircea_popescu;nubbins` im pretty sure that's what it is. 920867;1415929499;nubbins`;well i can see what they mean 920868;1415929512;nubbins`;you dirty a line, you provide a clean one to the next guy 920869;1415929531;asciilifeform;!s postel's law 920870;1415929532;assbot;3 results for 'postel's law' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=postel%27s+law 920871;1415929543;nubbins`;so maybe deedbot shouldn't be stripping the \n at eof 920872;1415929548;*;asciilifeform not enamoured with postel's law 920873;1415929551;nubbins`;punkman ^ 920874;1415929667;nubbins`;http://pubs.opengroup.org/onlinepubs/9699919799/basedefs/V1_chap03.html#tag_03_206 920875;1415929669;assbot;Definitions 920876;1415929755;mircea_popescu;!up hank_ 920877;1415929915;asciilifeform;http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2826980/Winston-Churchill-s-bid-nuke-Russia-win-Cold-War-uncovered-secret-FBI-files.html << ideal example of 'crank bait' method. perfectly factual allegation, regarded as nearly hundred percent proven by ru historians for decades. 'smoking gun' finally out. what does lizard hitler do? orders it printed in 'daily mail.' 920878;1415929915;assbot;Winston Churchill's 'bid to nuke Russia' to win Cold War uncovered | Daily Mail Online 920879;1415930000;asciilifeform;'what kind of fool would believe document from 'daily mail' ?' 920880;1415930014;mircea_popescu;the romanian epxression is, "perfidul albion" 920881;1415930020;asciilifeform;lol! 920882;1415930261;mircea_popescu;anyway, nothing remarkable there. it's to be used like any other thing. 920883;1415930318;asciilifeform;as a 'zoologist' of these, can't help but notice the extraordinarily-obvious specimen in the wild. 920884;1415930357;cazalla;http://qntra.net/2014/11/cryptocoinsnews-disable-your-adblocker/ 920885;1415930357;assbot;CryptoCoinsNews: Disable Your Adblocker! | Qntra.net 920886;1415930393;mircea_popescu;lawl 920887;1415930422;mircea_popescu;!s David Parker 920888;1415930423;assbot;1 results for 'David Parker' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=David+Parker 920889;1415930430;undata;speaking of unremarkable news: http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2014/nov/13/us-military-considers-troops-iraq-general 920890;1415930431;assbot;US military considers sending combat troops to battle Isis forces in Iraq | US news | The Guardian 920891;1415930437;undata;I guess Iraq is the ditch we want to die in 920892;1415930446;ben_vulpes;yes 920893;1415930447;ben_vulpes;double down 920894;1415930464;ben_vulpes;more shellshock in the populace 920895;1415930473;ben_vulpes;actually probably less cuz drones, n'est? 920896;1415930500;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2014/nov/13/eric-frein-terrorism-charges-pennsylvania-police-ambush 920897;1415930501;assbot;Eric Frein to face terrorism charges over fatal Pennsylvania police ambush | US news | The Guardian 920898;1415930510;cazalla;mircea_popescu, prolly a fake name, i've searched and searched and there is nothing on this guy 920899;1415930514;undata;ben_vulpes: this us heading back in with marines 920900;1415930518;undata;*is us 920901;1415930519;mircea_popescu;cazalla yeah, it's a fake name. 920902;1415930530;mircea_popescu;prolly the gaw dude himself. 920903;1415930547;mircea_popescu;"Charge based on letter by Frein calling for revolution" << :D 920904;1415930556;undata;ben_vulpes: the classic "just the tip" maneuver 920905;1415930589;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: Seemed inevitable 920906;1415931116;mircea_popescu;undata the funny part is, the us got so fucking raped in iraq it's hard to describe. now they want to go for round two ? 920907;1415931133;mircea_popescu;it's impractical, 2000s us could borrow the 50trn they used. 2015s us can not. 920908;1415931183;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: remaining u.s. physical industry is 99% iraq-based (that is, hardware whose inventory must be churned in some iraq or other.) 920909;1415931190;asciilifeform;so, gotta churn inventory. 920910;1415931199;mircea_popescu;it's not inventory unless you can replace it. 920911;1415931218;mircea_popescu;to make it perfectly clear : any sunk cruiser reduces the total count of cruisers the us will ever have by 1. 920912;1415931224;mircea_popescu;every downed plane is downed for good. 920913;1415931228;asciilifeform;those who order the churn, have no concept that there will not be replacement ordered. 920914;1415931240;mircea_popescu;perpahs. 920915;1415931263;mircea_popescu;anyway, if anyone has a direct interest in the welfare of the poor grunts involved, like loved ones or w/e : 920916;1415931274;BingoBoingo;Oh look, its the S.MPOE market cap: https://twitter.com/ScottWuerz/status/533076669419245568 920917;1415931275;assbot;So much for speculation about no more 10-yr deals. Heyman says MIA taking w/Stanton about a 12-yr, $300 mil deal. How will they afford it? 920918;1415931281;mircea_popescu;the coming iraq campaign will be the first one the us soldiers will not have enough boots and shit. maybe best enlist for something else. 920919;1415931296;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28500 @ 0.00044459 = 12.6708 BTC [+] {3} 920920;1415931307;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: not the first. i vaguely recall '1 flak jacket for 3 men' in the last one 920921;1415931311;asciilifeform;mats_cd03 ^^ ? 920922;1415931313;undata;mircea_popescu: they didn't even have enough armor, etc., last time 920923;1415931316;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform flak jackets != boots. 920924;1415931336;mircea_popescu;yes, trhey were short materiel. 920925;1415931344;mircea_popescu;this time they will be short toilet paper and toothpaste. 920926;1415931400;BingoBoingo;I recall they were short on toilet paper and toothpaste last time. I recall solicitations for "care packages" consisting of basic necessities when I was at school. 920927;1415931416;asciilifeform;saw this, yes 920928;1415931427;asciilifeform;the one that always got me was the donation box for 'books' 920929;1415931432;asciilifeform;yes, generic 'books.' 920930;1415931443;asciilifeform;brought to mind the possibility that these were to be used in lieu of toilet paper. 920931;1415931455;mircea_popescu;wouldn't that come with a "no bibles please" ? 920932;1415931465;asciilifeform;they get those from usg. 920933;1415931476;BingoBoingo;They really do 920934;1415931477;mircea_popescu;as in, too smooth for use. 920935;1415931492;asciilifeform;aha. 920936;1415931497;asciilifeform;and printed on telephone book paper. 920937;1415931530;mircea_popescu;should be funny to see when the first supposed army uniot goes native. 920938;1415931554;mircea_popescu;happened to the late romans a whole heck of a lot more than they ever cared to admit 920939;1415931554;undata;I can't rub two coherent thoughts together that make going back to Iraq a good idea. 920940;1415931565;undata;mass delusion? 920941;1415931572;BingoBoingo;I thought that was linked here not too long ago, except they went native at their own station. 920942;1415931577;mircea_popescu;in fact, it was the premier driver behind the eventual move to mercenaries, something otherwise politically incomprehensible for today's curious student. 920943;1415931588;undata;so this islamic state consolidates parts of the middle east? that's probably a great thing. 920944;1415931599;mircea_popescu;but the politicos of the time were caught in the very real vice of "well, rome's poor or the vandals, about as trustworthy" 920945;1415931610;mircea_popescu;undata not for local women. 920946;1415931627;asciilifeform;this is why no going native. 920947;1415931634;undata;mircea_popescu: certainly not. neither is the current circumstance though 920948;1415931637;asciilifeform;who the hell wants to go native - there. 920949;1415931643;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform every young man. 920950;1415931649;asciilifeform;american? 920951;1415931659;mircea_popescu;undata women are principally distinguished by a preference for the shit they know. 920952;1415931664;mircea_popescu;that's actually what womanhood MEANS. 920953;1415931675;undata;hm. 920954;1415931692;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform sure. think about it : be the gods of their age group ? instead of going home to hear a stupid bitchfest, stay with the people where rape is something you're supposed to do ? 920955;1415931701;mircea_popescu;why were they in the army in the first place,. to police reddit ? 920956;1415931709;asciilifeform;to get their teeth done. 920957;1415931729;mircea_popescu;maybe. 920958;1415931738;undata;if we see IS as an actual threat, we really must be in sore shape. 920959;1415931749;mircea_popescu;notice that in a group of 100k idiots, you may end up with a subgroup of 100 or 10 idiots of any particular braindamage you wish. 920960;1415931781;BingoBoingo; to get their teeth done. << One cousin enlisted for this reason. Now afraid of dentists. 920961;1415931793;mircea_popescu;i can readily see numerous angles through which retiring from the us military to baghdad rather than kansas is preferable to the 19 yo mind. 920962;1415931840;mircea_popescu;really, the lucky aspect for the us army officers is that the arabs don't bother to learn english. otherwise, the sheer cultural pressure would probably make "boots on ground" untenable. 920963;1415931919;asciilifeform;the phase transition may be the point where we leave 'desertion means no more toilet paper' and move to 'desertion means access to toilet paper.' 920964;1415931962;mircea_popescu;it's already "desertion means leaving a world that you don't understand" and move to "desertion means joining a world you easily do" 920965;1415931965;asciilifeform;(or more fantastic example - ice cream. i have it on good authority that many american units in iraq were supplied even with it.) 920966;1415931982;mircea_popescu;lol why wouldn't they be ?! 920967;1415932000;asciilifeform;because wtf. 920968;1415932011;mircea_popescu;icecream has been a part of rations since vietnam 920969;1415932058;asciilifeform;somebody wake up mats_cd03. 920970;1415932123;asciilifeform;or perhaps he is already being shaved and fitted with new uniform for the next gig. 920971;1415932136;*;BingoBoingo recalls friend telling stories that when the was in the Infantry every few weeks he'd have to watch the Airforce at his base have friendly BBQ's with thier Afghans 920972;1415932177;undata;a brother of a friend was in fallujah; I've heard a few of his stories, and they weren't about iced cream. 920973;1415932238;undata;why "IS"? I'm sure he and others clearing houses of everything that moved didn't help. 920974;1415932242;BingoBoingo;The spectrum of US Armed forces experiences this past decade is a wide one. The cousin nao afraid of dentist in his whole time enlisted in the marines was either in the US or on a boat. 920975;1415932313;BingoBoingo;Well, ISI* probably because 'Murica wasn't as scary as Saddam, so Pro Idiotas had room 920976;1415932378;BingoBoingo;And eventually after some embarrassment they have less ideas and America leaves, then ??? ISIL 920977;1415932424;BingoBoingo;Pretty much the story of Los Zetas, but in reverse 920978;1415932493;mircea_popescu;something like that. woman previously married to some hard drinking bozo meets a phthisc young man who's a "student" whatever that may mean. the three quarrel, the kid ends up killing the man, talks the woman up a storm then... leaves ? 920979;1415932507;mircea_popescu;she's too horny to go to bed so she fucks a coupla passing bums, with disastrous effects. 920980;1415932551;BingoBoingo;Los Zetas started as a bunch of experts, but finite hit points and now the human shields are in charge and Nuevo Laredo can't have a nice hooker district anymore 920981;1415932756;mircea_popescu;http://www.aljazeera.com/indepth/opinion/2011/09/201191010256505546.html 920982;1415932757;assbot;The West's self-licking ice cream cones - Opinion - Al Jazeera English 920983;1415932761;mircea_popescu;somewhat related. 920984;1415932771;mircea_popescu;As far as I am aware, the phrase came into usage among knowing observers of the Vietnam War. A self-licking ice cream cone is a programme or policy that costs money and resources, generating a great deal of activity; produces indicators of its own success, preferably quantitative; but does not actually achieve its announced goals. Indeed, a proper self-licking cone undermines the very purposes for which it was created, 920985;1415932771;mircea_popescu;while at the same time sucking in ever more resources from worthy and effective activities. 920986;1415932812;cazalla;mircea_popescu: icecream has been a part of rations since vietnam <<< lt dan, icecream! 920987;1415932857;asciilifeform;self-licking ice cream cone << i learned the phrase from mr. mold, who used it to describe u.s. academia. 920988;1415932866;mircea_popescu;More targets meant more bombing, and more bombing meant a bigger role for the USAF. The result was more budget, more planes, and career advancement for all concerned. 920989;1415932867;mircea_popescu;The only problem was that the bombing was helping lose the war. Predictably, the peasants turned against Saigon, leading to the introduction of US ground forces in 1965. Like the �body count�, the number of �structures� destroyed had no relation to actually winning the war. It was an indicator of organisational �success� wholly divorced from reality, and from the values that the organisation was supposed to 920990;1415932867;mircea_popescu;be serving. The USAF was killing the very peasants it was there to save from communism. 920991;1415932874;mircea_popescu;pretty much the story of iraq v1 and v2, for that matter. 920992;1415932893;mircea_popescu;a bureaucracy is history-less, in that it is incapable of learning from its mistakes, just like amoeba is incapable of learning writing. 920993;1415932901;mircea_popescu;it will follow the sugar gradient and that's all it does. 920994;1415932903;nubbins`;http://i.imgur.com/rOmIAe1.jpg 920995;1415932912;nubbins`;dat silkscreened photograph 920996;1415932928;mircea_popescu;nubbins` how much did that run cost ? 920997;1415932954;mircea_popescu;o nm, it's not a book, it's a poster. 920998;1415933016;nubbins`;http://i.imgur.com/6qVTCuK.jpg close up 920999;1415933104;nubbins`;http://i.imgur.com/04rtgLI.jpg unsuccessful attempt w/ stochastic dots 921000;1415933126;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 67250 @ 0.00043619 = 29.3338 BTC [-] {3} 921001;1415933144;*;BingoBoingo remembers publishing a poetry book at a ninety something percent loss. -ISBN-(sample copies)+(~7 dollars in ebook revenue from Austrialia) = Loss, I was enlightened, also a week later on lithium 921002;1415933232;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo how many sales is 7 bux ? 921003;1415933276;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: 20 or so I believe. I think on ebooks I got 30%. "Self" publishing is a racket 921004;1415933293;mircea_popescu;indeed. 921005;1415933315;BingoBoingo;But I was young, dumb, and in grad school pt. 1 921006;1415933345;mircea_popescu;unless you actually self publish. asylum ended up costing about 1.40 per copy, printfiles -> distributor warehouse. 921007;1415933396;BingoBoingo;Yeah. In the aftermath I did the math on, "What if I actually had something worth publishing on tree cadavers" 921008;1415933513;mircea_popescu;basically, everywhere guis are a racket. 921009;1415933539;mircea_popescu;when one approaches you with the proposition of "making things easy" what he means is, your wallet. easier to carry. 921010;1415933583;mircea_popescu;things that can be easy already are. things that aren't easy can't be made "easier". if you can't afford a house, taking credit doesn't make the house easier. etc. 921011;1415933593;asciilifeform;the great crime of the 'easy self publishing' of today's automagic laser-printer-with-binding-machine is... on the reader. 921012;1415933626;asciilifeform;not long ago, i opened yet another envelope in expectation of finding 'a book that was actually a book once' and got an ms-word formatted turd 921013;1415933630;BingoBoingo;Oh, and original resolution of the NL MVP Stanton bet ended up being right. You can have the mods clear out all of that penny sports bet baseball spam nao 921014;1415933632;asciilifeform;with contents to match. 921015;1415933633;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform o btw, does the end product of my first foray into that industry suck ? 921016;1415933646;asciilifeform;it's a riot, actually 921017;1415933653;asciilifeform;i was thinking of a different envelope. 921018;1415933655;mircea_popescu;i mean as a product. the thing itself. 921019;1415933662;mircea_popescu;teh item 921020;1415933678;mircea_popescu;i ask you for i suspect you've read books before. 921021;1415933688;asciilifeform;lol 921022;1415933706;mircea_popescu;(true story, gave one to woman, she's like "oh this is so nice, i've never read a book before!" 921023;1415933714;mircea_popescu;intending it as a sort of compliment i guess ?) 921024;1415933716;asciilifeform;;;google is that a real program or is that something somebody wrote 921025;1415933717;gribble;Programming Sucks - Still Drinking: ; Will Smith Quotes (Author of Just the Two of Us) - Goodreads: ; How To Become A Hacker - Catb.org: 921026;1415933745;asciilifeform;damn, wish i could find that ancient piece. 921027;1415933747;*;BingoBoingo was disappointed in the quality of his print on demand turd. The spine was an outie... 921028;1415933758;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo pod sucked for a long time 921029;1415933758;BingoBoingo;On a paperback 921030;1415933765;mircea_popescu;by now it's maibe okish 921031;1415933779;BingoBoingo;Twas 2009, POD had been a thing for a while 921032;1415933791;asciilifeform;by now they have it to the level of the crappier mass-produced books. 921033;1415933801;BingoBoingo;I mean it's solid. I didn't get gyp'd on glue 921034;1415933806;asciilifeform;still can't get, afaik, 'lay-flats' other than the spiral variety 921035;1415933820;asciilifeform;lay-flat requires, i think, saddle-stitch binding 921036;1415933824;asciilifeform;rather than glue 921037;1415933881;asciilifeform;for what it's worth, i routinely use 'lulu.com' as a personal printer. 921038;1415933887;asciilifeform;works great. 921039;1415933888;BingoBoingo;If I were to imagine a serious book piracy operation, the standard glue "Perfect" binding would be prefered 921040;1415933906;BingoBoingo;Lulu.com was my printer too! 921041;1415933922;asciilifeform;they have, afaik, the whole thing automated. from 'pdf' to mailing crate. 921042;1415933931;asciilifeform;quite possibly no human ever even sees the result. 921043;1415933954;asciilifeform;when i say 'personal printer', i mean, in lieu of an actual printer. 921044;1415933960;asciilifeform;of the kind one may keep on a desk. 921045;1415933993;asciilifeform;for instance, i like, e.g., ic data sheets, in dead tree. 921046;1415934005;BingoBoingo;Ah 921047;1415934025;asciilifeform;i don't own a computer 'fast' enough to 'flip' a pdf the way a dead tree heap can be flipped, and not sure if such a machine even exists. 921048;1415934026;mircea_popescu;"Would you drive across this bridge? No. If it somehow got built, everybody involved would be executed. Yet some version of this dynamic wrote every single program you have ever used, banking software, websites, and a ubiquitously used program that was supposed to protect information on the internet but didn't." 921049;1415934031;mircea_popescu;which is why i am so keen on executions. 921050;1415934039;asciilifeform;yeah i think we did that one here 921051;1415934044;asciilifeform;not the article in question though 921052;1415934060;cazalla;" Earlier in 2014, the SEC investigated Eric Voorhees for the unregistered sale of securities of SatoshiDICE and FeedZeBirds, using the Romanian online crowdsale platform MPEx to solicit investors from 2012 to 2013." 921053;1415934062;asciilifeform;but for some reason yes, google brings it up for 'real program or something somebody wrote' 921054;1415934077;BingoBoingo;cazalla: I wrote a piece on that once 921055;1415934086;mircea_popescu;cazalla let me guess, they sourced it and everything. 921056;1415934094;mircea_popescu;which is how they got the wrong year. 921057;1415934099;cazalla;http://www.kattenlaw.com/showadvisory.aspx?Show=47630 if you are interested 921058;1415934100;assbot;Recent Key Bitcoin and Virtual Currency Regulatory and Law Enforcement Developments | Katten Muchin Rosenman LLP 921059;1415934109;BingoBoingo;http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/2014/06/03/the-sec-bares-its-gums-and-settles-with-erik/ cazalla 921060;1415934109;assbot;The SEC Bares its Gums and Settles with Erik | Bingo Blog 921061;1415934128;cazalla;BingoBoingo, i've read that, this is just something i come across while looking for news 921062;1415934139;mircea_popescu;well, i guess this is a good point for anyone considering using Katten Muchin Rosenman LLP : don't. 921063;1415934157;mircea_popescu;they're too lazy to do their research and sprout nonsense in their pr. imagine the sort of horribru buried in their court filings 921064;1415934164;BingoBoingo;Oh, so like the think that got shat into news about litecoin mining which was settled last year 921065;1415934167;mircea_popescu;admitting anyone was to date naive enough to allow them to file on his behalf. 921066;1415934265;mircea_popescu;anyway, one of those fast food chains of legal practice. high churn, large staff of largely unqualified lawyers on dead end career tracks, whole thing kept together by paralegals, somewhat. 921067;1415934289;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: found it!! >> https://www.mail-archive.com/kragen-tol@canonical.org/msg00184.html 921068;1415934290;assbot;my evolution as a programmer 921069;1415934318;asciilifeform;original link dead many years ago, but - mirror. 921070;1415934363;asciilifeform;(why this was relevant - i will explain later. assuming anyone still cares. and is awake.) 921071;1415934477;BingoBoingo;I'm awake for a while. Winter came. Interfered with my sleep 921072;1415934490;nubbins`;<+mircea_popescu> unless you actually self publish. <<< preach it 921073;1415934524;nubbins`;vanity publishing is often a break-even venture at best 921074;1415934535;mircea_popescu;i'm awake because real cults don't sleep, they wait. 921075;1415934556;nubbins`;cthulhu fh'tagn 921076;1415934567;mircea_popescu;nubbins` what i meant was a distinction between self publishing, ie, being the editor, and self-rape, ie, being the customer of an editor specialised in raping idiots. 921077;1415934588;nubbins`;nod, full agreement here 921078;1415934622;mircea_popescu;this, incidentally, is exactly how hiring a lawyer has worked since at last the 60s 921079;1415934627;mircea_popescu;and how hiring a doctor is starting to be, too. 921080;1415934636;nubbins`;you gotta fight for your health here 921081;1415934646;nubbins`;digging in your heels is the only way 921082;1415934669;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform can you summarily introduce "menu-lookup" writing of glue code for the innocent ? 921083;1415934712;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 37291 @ 0.00043536 = 16.235 BTC [-] 921084;1415934885;mircea_popescu;"Is that a real program or is that something somebody wrote?" << ah yea, now this makes sense. i had the exact same notion, for exactly the same reason. a "real program" was something that didn't need to use the z80 basic interpreter, wasn't editable for this reason, and this immutability was cool. then on the msdos system, .exe binaries exactly mapped on this same structure of cool. 921085;1415934925;BingoBoingo;!up devthedev 921086;1415934972;nubbins`;the day i realized i could just type spcinvad instead of spcinvad.exe!! 921087;1415935035;mircea_popescu;i loved deathtrack, and i spent a while finetuning the sound implementation of basic to make the same laser sound. 921088;1415935051;mircea_popescu;i think in the end i got it, and so i could fire as much as i wanted, no concern for bs "laser heating" 921089;1415935092;mircea_popescu;then i plugged a led into the serial port and had it blink when i lasered too, and this i think was the pinnacle of achievement. 921090;1415935104;nubbins`;openbazaar is going to change thzzzzzzz 921091;1415935132;nubbins`;oo a hud for your laser 921092;1415935137;nubbins`;nb 921093;1415935162;mircea_popescu;imagine this, a 12 yo could figure out the serial port interface in ms-dos, without even knowing wtf a port or an interface are. 921094;1415935180;mircea_popescu;and with a led, mind, which only works on certain voltage going a certain way. 921095;1415935456;nubbins`;that 12yo must have grown up to be the smartest man alive 921096;1415935545;mircea_popescu;as it just so happens, that theory is about to get tested. 921097;1415935560;mircea_popescu;"Write a program that prints the numbers from 1 to 100. But for multiples of three print �Fizz� instead of the number and for the multiples of five print �Buzz�. For numbers which are multiples of both three and five print �FizzBuzz�. 921098;1415935620;mircea_popescu;for i x to y output + Fizz if i|3 output + Buzz if i|5 output + i if output is empty. 921099;1415935621;mircea_popescu;do i pass ? 921100;1415935791;nubbins`;i think if the current smartest man can't say for sure, then yes 921101;1415936725;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 41600 @ 0.00043724 = 18.1892 BTC [+] 921102;1415936838;xanthyos;ok i may be wasting my time but i'm going to try to get that guy thomas_d into the wot again tonight 921103;1415936850;xanthyos;persistence paid off with bagels7 921104;1415937001;asciilifeform;menu-lookup writing of glue code << refers to systems like the (1990s? no idea if still fits this description) 'visual basic' and the like. 921105;1415937024;asciilifeform;where gigantic swaths of (hesitate to even call it a) program - get 'written for you' 921106;1415937041;mircea_popescu;basically i got the idea from reading the piece that he means code that implements the "cut problem into parts, implement parts, glue parts together" approach 921107;1415937046;asciilifeform;producing buckets upon buckets of boilerplate crud 921108;1415937069;asciilifeform;aha no. he was speaking of 'glue code' in the sense of gluing heavy 'prefab' swaths together 921109;1415937083;mircea_popescu;so dreamweaver is an example ? 921110;1415937083;asciilifeform;something which the archetypical 'indian replacement programmer' occupies himself with. 921111;1415937092;*;asciilifeform innocent of 'dreamweaver', cannot say 921112;1415937112;mircea_popescu;adobe "autobuild your website" code 921113;1415937118;asciilifeform;aha then likely. 921114;1415937153;mircea_popescu;was famous before mullenderp raped poetry a new hole, because you could tell from all the ad>>> mess that it had been used. 921115;1415937172;mircea_popescu;now those people mostly use wordpress, with PLUGINS 921116;1415937177;asciilifeform;aha, reminiscent of msword html output. 921117;1415937185;mircea_popescu;then ben_vulpes is here going "hmm, where the fuck is this nonsense hardcoded in" 921118;1415937212;*;asciilifeform actually uses a (very threadbare) 'wordpress' 921119;1415937218;mircea_popescu;me too. 921120;1415937222;mircea_popescu;or what's left of one. 921121;1415937227;asciilifeform;^ yes. 921122;1415937238;mircea_popescu;makes php better rhan c i guess 921123;1415937249;mircea_popescu;adobe's shit is written in c, nobody can be bothered to compule it 921124;1415937266;asciilifeform;adobe never once, afaik, published source for anything 921125;1415937277;asciilifeform;other than 'alchemy' 921126;1415937291;asciilifeform;(a crackpot gcc port with... flash (!, yes) back-end) 921127;1415937313;asciilifeform;that was a real riot, incidentally 921128;1415937319;asciilifeform;somebody even got 'doom' to build. 921129;1415937355;asciilifeform;http://peterelst.com/blog/2008/12/18/porting-doom-to-flash-interview-with-mike-welsh 921130;1415937355;assbot;Porting Doom to Flash - Interview with Mike Welsh — Peter Elst 921131;1415937358;asciilifeform;^ that one. 921132;1415937376;asciilifeform;(why? no one knows! but it was done.) 921133;1415937539;mircea_popescu;this was leaked in what, 2002 ? 921134;1415937586;cazalla;http://qntra.net/2014/11/david-woo-of-bank-of-america-merrill-lynch-dont-invest-in-bitcoin/ 921135;1415937587;assbot;David Woo Of Bank of America Merrill Lynch: Don't Invest In Bitcoin | Qntra.net 921136;1415937594;cazalla;ooh, scoopbot is back, wb scoopbot 921137;1415937749;scoopbot;New post on Qntra.net by cazalla: http://qntra.net/2014/11/david-woo-of-bank-of-america-merrill-lynch-dont-invest-in-bitcoin/ 921138;1415937836;decimation;I could see some sense in a 'delay' in the case that an actual human examines the transactions before they are released 921139;1415937856;decimation;but in that case it wouldn't be an arbitrary delay enforced by a cron job for no reason 921140;1415937916;decimation;I remember playing 'doom' on my hp-48 calculator 921141;1415937921;decimation;someone ported to 'saturn' assembly 921142;1415938250;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2891 @ 0.0004336 = 1.2535 BTC [-] 921143;1415938677;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 54000 @ 0.00043323 = 23.3944 BTC [-] {2} 921144;1415938759;mircea_popescu;cazalla lulzy quote. 921145;1415938767;mircea_popescu;will be funny reference in teh future. 921146;1415938862;PeterL;mrjr:thestringpuller: i'll work on getting my creds in order :) meni rosenfeld is one of our investors, and our cto Shaul Kfir was a reviewer for the sidechain paper. << wasn't Meni Rosenfeld connected with a GLBSE scam? 921147;1415938866;mircea_popescu;!up cb_bitcoin 921148;1415938882;mircea_popescu;PeterL from bitdaytrade to whatever you want. 921149;1415938903;PeterL;perhaps not the best name to drop as WoT cred? 921150;1415938923;mircea_popescu;guy specialises in vouching for scams, he's a sort of max keiser for his space. 921151;1415938935;mircea_popescu;speaking of which, what ever happened to aurora coin ? has it passed ethereum yet ? 921152;1415939049;mircea_popescu;"So no, I'm not required to be able to lift objects weighing up to fifty pounds. I traded that for the opportunity to trim Satan's pubic hair while he dines out of my open skull so a few bits of the internet will continue to work for a few more days." 921153;1415939066;mircea_popescu;heh. alternatively, just don't write dumbass ajax websites for monkeys. big fucking deal, srsly. 921154;1415939100;BingoBoingo;"You can't arrest me. I'm the Cake Boss" http://4.nbcny.com/SGgcUl1 921155;1415939101;assbot;TLC's "Cake Boss" Arrested on DWI Charges in Manhattan: NYPD | NBC New York 921156;1415939197;asciilifeform;http://www.nbcnewyork.com/news/local/NYC-New-York-Hasidic-Jewish-Arrests-Mortgage-Fraud-FBI-Orange-County-282544591.html << more interesting 921157;1415939197;assbot;NY Family Accused of Taking Out $20 Million in Mortgages While Collecting Food Stamps | NBC New York 921158;1415939243;mircea_popescu;how is this an accusation ? 921159;1415939346;mircea_popescu;a ok, fraud. 921160;1415939369;asciilifeform;real question: in which direction. 921161;1415939393;mircea_popescu;In one instance, one of Rubin's relatives claimed weekly income of $200 to get Medicaid and food stamps while claiming a net worth of $10 million to banks in order to get $7 million in loans. 921162;1415939402;mircea_popescu;this is presented as contradictory, but it actually isn't. 921163;1415939403;asciilifeform;i.e., borrowing $20m while broke and on food stamps? or fraudulently collecting food stamps while bathing in $20m bezzlars. 921164;1415939422;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform i think one can genuinely be both simultaenously in the us atm. 921165;1415939425;asciilifeform;'is it rape if the check bounced?' 921166;1415939432;mircea_popescu;much like 1990 russian megacorps. 921167;1415939447;asciilifeform;i imagine we will see 921168;1415939458;asciilifeform;my guess is - yes, both. 921169;1415939755;decimation;http://www.nytimes.com/2014/11/13/us/cuts-in-military-mean-job-losses-for-career-staff.html?_r=0 << usg is broke, decides to 'fire' army officers rather than cut back food stamps 921170;1415939758;assbot;Log In - The New York Times 921171;1415939824;decimation;although to be precise, the way the military 'fires' officers is more of a 'pocket veto' - if you fail to make the cut for promotion (at higher grades) you are automatically discharged 921172;1415939836;asciilifeform;used to be called, 'cachiering' 921173;1415939907;mircea_popescu;http://qntra.net/2014/11/bip-65-revisiting-nlocktime/ << the problem with this is that if a miner doesn't implement the new protocol, and mines a block in spite of the supposed nlocktime lock, that block is well spent. 921174;1415939907;assbot;BIP-65: Revisiting nLockTime | Qntra.net 921175;1415939928;mircea_popescu;so a softfork does not in fact do anything, the dblspending party can just mine their own dblspend and that's that. 921176;1415939981;decimation;wait, they decide protocol details on twitter now? 921177;1415939995;BingoBoingo;Actual soft for yes, but "if all the miners accept" softfork is a hardfork 921178;1415939996;asciilifeform;for those who missed, http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-11-2014#920112 921179;1415939996;assbot;Logged on 13-11-2014 19:04:36; *: asciilifeform admits that he suspects bip64 of being a plot to create usg-like bonds in btc. folks will be asked to trace X proper btc for X+epsilon 'locked' ones that are to land back in their pocket 'in the future', should they live long enough, but are actually recovable 'because this is how the world works' 921180;1415940019;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 56873 @ 0.00044346 = 25.2209 BTC [+] {2} 921181;1415940052;decimation;oh wait, I thought the delays that the scammer was writing about were simply 'private delays' on the part of the machine 921182;1415940063;mircea_popescu;Proving sacrifice to miners' fees 921183;1415940063;mircea_popescu;Proving the sacrifice of some limited resource is a common technique in a variety of cryptographic protocols. Proving sacrifices of coins to mining fees has been proposed as a universal public good to which the sacrifice could be directed, rather than simply destroying the coins. However doing so is non-trivial, and even the best existing technqiue - announce-commit sacrifices - could encourage mining centralization. C 921184;1415940063;mircea_popescu;HECKLOCKTIMEVERIFY can be used to create outputs that are provably spendable by anyone (thus to mining fees assuming miners behave optimally and rationally) but only at a time sufficiently far into the future that large miners profitably can't sell the sacrifices at a discount. 921185;1415940065;decimation;They want to bake it into the protocol? That's fuckin nuts 921186;1415940071;mircea_popescu;this is perhaps the most braindamaged nonsense i read today. 921187;1415940087;mircea_popescu;desperately needs more "expert" economists and whatnot. 921188;1415940110;decimation;"universal public good" 921189;1415940113;mircea_popescu; Actual soft for yes, but "if all the miners accept" softfork is a hardfork << "all miners accept" means what ? 921190;1415940117;mircea_popescu;until a new miner joins ? 921191;1415940167;decimation;re: experts: http://rwcg.wordpress.com/2014/11/13/id-rather-have-this-bill-than-not-dictated-the-professor/ 921192;1415940169;assbot;“I’d rather have this bill than not”, dictated the Professor | RWCG 921193;1415940186;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: Means old clients accept giberish, but miners actually hardfork if a "time locked" signature is mined early 921194;1415940220;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo only workls for as long as they actually do. 921195;1415940235;mircea_popescu;tomorrow large miner joins, doesn't implement it, they hardfork all they want, chainwarz. 921196;1415940258;mircea_popescu;peppering this sort of nonsense in the code is a prime way to ensure the rough equivalent of "atomic weapons" for future negotiations. 921197;1415940266;mircea_popescu;"give us your daugther or we fork it" sort of bs. 921198;1415940301;BingoBoingo;Well, https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/2i6pz0/peter_todds_checklocktimeverify_means_bitcoin/cm0liy8 seems not to be popular with the redditards, but on blocksizefork Bitpay has an incentive to choose the shitgnome side and face punishment 921199;1415940302;assbot;Atruk comments on Peter Todd's CHECKLOCKTIMEVERIFY Means Bitcoin Escrow, Refunds and a Fork 921200;1415940358;mircea_popescu;"It all traces back to the fact that the academy did not police itself properly. They gave, or through their inaction/laziness allowed to get, this guy and his (retarded) output the mantle of �expertise�. If the bad PR spilling off of him now redounds back onto other academicians in his peer group I understand that will be unfair in some cases but they have only themselves to blame." 921201;1415940361;mircea_popescu;it is not unfair in any case. 921202;1415940364;BingoBoingo;Because of course Vessenes' foundation wants bigger blocks when its only surviving members that pay it need bigger blocks 921203;1415940371;mircea_popescu;they should all hang for his sins. he may get off with prison, being just a fraud 921204;1415940381;mircea_popescu;but the actual professionals should hang, by their own guts. 921205;1415940401;decimation;yeah the author doesn't go far enough 921206;1415940474;mircea_popescu;"Seriously, I bet the �model� is some kind of gunky spreadsheet. Or something little better, anyway. A mishmash of data being shoved together to reach predetermined conclusions, with tons of ad hoc assumptions. " << sounds like exactly dub's brew :D 921207;1415940485;decimation;I would bet money on that too 921208;1415940487;mircea_popescu;but hey, who's to argue with the politico-experts, right ? 921209;1415940488;decimation;he should start a bitbet 921210;1415940525;asciilifeform;in other news... 921211;1415940527;asciilifeform;'...in one case, the discovery that the crews that maintain the nation�s 450 intercontinental ballistic missiles had only a single wrench that could attach the nuclear warheads. �They started FedExing the one tool� to three bases spread across the country, one official familiar with the contents of the reports said Thursday. No one had checked in years �to see if new tools were being made,� the offici 921212;1415940527;asciilifeform;al said. This was one of many maintenance problems that had �been around so long that no one reported them anymore.�' 921213;1415940538;asciilifeform;( http://www.nytimes.com/2014/11/14/us/politics/pentagon-studies-reveal-major-nuclear-problems.html ) 921214;1415940541;assbot;Log In - The New York Times 921215;1415940555;BingoBoingo;I could seriously imagine the chinese miners being coerced to oppose a USGaving blocksize increase simply because it hurts the payment processors. Bezelzebub bless the triad of mutual enemies working together for our success! 921216;1415940575;decimation;asciilifeform: supposedly that socket wrench that destroyed the missile in the silo in arkansas was 'ilegal' 921217;1415940580;decimation;now you know why 921218;1415940604;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo anyway, all the more reasons to have a proper, functional implementation of the canonical bitcoin code 921219;1415940613;mircea_popescu;for all these idiots to fall back on once the shit hits the fan. 921220;1415940633;decimation;yeah, if anything it's sewing ascii's parachute before being needed 921221;1415940640;BingoBoingo;Indeed, but also a factor that will provide the catalyst for the acceptance of Venetian Bitcoind 921222;1415940640;mircea_popescu;meanwhile they can all hold hands with the canada chick and chant how "bitcoin is not coming and not posing a risk" 921223;1415940654;mircea_popescu;noably, romania's president announced in 2009 that "criza financiara va ocoli romania" 921224;1415940663;mircea_popescu;literally, the crisis will go around romania. 921225;1415940690;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 40904 @ 0.00044601 = 18.2436 BTC [+] {2} 921226;1415940699;decimation;mircea_popescu: you mean that julia character 921227;1415940708;mircea_popescu;w/e her name is. 921228;1415940717;mircea_popescu;was on qntra earlier, which is the only reason she's notable. 921229;1415940742;mircea_popescu;http://qntra.net/2014/11/bank-of-canada-bitcoin-poses-no-risk-but-well-watch-it-closely-anyway/ 921230;1415940743;assbot;Bank of Canada: Bitcoin Poses No Risk But We'll Watch It Closely Anyway | Qntra.net 921231;1415940747;mircea_popescu;Carolyn Wilkins 921232;1415940785;decimation;ah her 921233;1415940812;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29318 @ 0.00044997 = 13.1922 BTC [+] 921234;1415940824;mircea_popescu;!t m s.mpoe 921235;1415940824;assbot;[MPEX:S.MPOE] 1D: 0.00036402 / 0.00045973 / 0.00056765 (1289039 shares, 592.62 BTC), 7D: 0.00036402 / 0.00058749 / 0.00068888 (6013699 shares, 3,533.03 BTC), 30D: 0.00036402 / 0.00070655 / 0.00081111 (22518580 shares, 15,910.69 BTC) 921236;1415940851;BingoBoingo;https://www.quantcast.com/qntra.net << At this point in qntra's age I'm not disliking the sawtooth pattern. 921237;1415940852;assbot; Qntra.net Traffic and Demographic Statistics by Quantcast 921238;1415940878;decimation;I had a conversation today about some guy who knew a guy who bought a house for $200k in california in 2002 and sold for $700k in 2006 921239;1415940884;BingoBoingo;Also... Qntra's in the top quarter million nao 921240;1415940909;mircea_popescu;decimation that's pretty meta... 921241;1415940920;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo yeah seems to be revving up nicely. 921242;1415940948;decimation;so this guy profits... and the 'taxpayer' picks up the $$bn bill for freddie mac and implicit bank guarantees 921243;1415940968;decimation;my point being, does bitcoin represent a 'threat' to this arrangement? 921244;1415940995;BingoBoingo;decimation: I don't think so. Nothing is more fashionable than location. 921245;1415941132;mircea_popescu;decimation depends. can he do it on your 0.1% ? 921246;1415941136;decimation;real estate will always be an asset - but the bezzle freshly printing to fund it won't 921247;1415941157;mircea_popescu;the major point about low taxes is that it makes the pot of the public treasury too small to hold the estimation of the conman 921248;1415941164;mircea_popescu;and so the conman moves to try adn con private interest. 921249;1415941172;mircea_popescu;whereas when taxes are significant, the opposite happens. 921250;1415941183;decimation;that's a good point 921251;1415941208;decimation;at least with private cons, the damage is likely to be limited and obvious in scope, rather than 'socialized' 921252;1415941209;mircea_popescu;but in general : it is good that any one person steals any one sum from the usg. 921253;1415941216;mircea_popescu;this is dead money being returned to live hands. 921254;1415941242;decimation;mircea_popescu: there are genuine people with genuine skills who spend their entire lives attempting to make usg better 921255;1415941255;mircea_popescu;the word for this is "idiots" 921256;1415941267;mircea_popescu;in general, the country suffers when taxes are paid, and gains through graft. 921257;1415941289;PeterL;http://bablogs.btcscoop.com 921258;1415941291;assbot; #bitcoin-assets blog posts 921259;1415941302;PeterL;^ how does that look? 921260;1415941354;mircea_popescu;great actually 921261;1415941361;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 40350 @ 0.00045856 = 18.5029 BTC [+] {2} 921262;1415941396;BingoBoingo;PeterL: Looks good, think you are missing Ben Fox's blog and maybe a couple others. 921263;1415941416;PeterL;sure, I can add more 921264;1415941428;PeterL;links? 921265;1415941444;BingoBoingo;PeterL: The look, the styling... simply beautiful http://cascadianhacker.com/index.html 921266;1415941445;assbot;missives from the post-megastate frontier 921267;1415941448;mircea_popescu;http://trilema.com/2014/people-have-made-blogs/ 921268;1415941448;assbot;People have made blogs pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. 921269;1415941452;decimation;mircea_popescu: I would agree with the 'idiot' label - but you realize that this 'catches' at least 95% of humanity - who generally refuse to consider their position w.r.t. the entire world's (and history's) context 921270;1415941457;mircea_popescu;PeterL also could you make it so only say first 100 words of a post appear ? 921271;1415941471;mircea_popescu;decimation soooooo 921272;1415941486;mircea_popescu;fizzbuzz test is supposed to catch 99.5% of "programmers" too neh ? 921273;1415941488;PeterL;mircea_popescu: I am grabbing the summary, most of them are pretty short 921274;1415941490;mircea_popescu;nobody ever criticised it for this. 921275;1415941516;mircea_popescu;PeterL fixed max helps the skim reader 921276;1415941535;PeterL;sure 921277;1415941545;*;mircea_popescu asking for a friend. 921278;1415941684;PeterL;BingoBoingo: cascadianhacker apparently doesn't have a working feed, but I could add it to the list on the right 921279;1415941707;BingoBoingo;PeterL: Well... I think Ben Fox hosts his blog on emacs 921280;1415941717;mircea_popescu;lol ben_vulpes the post is the feed eh ? 921281;1415941834;decimation;mircea_popescu: what stripped down version of wordpress do you use? 921282;1415941838;decimation;do you update it? 921283;1415941878;mircea_popescu;i dunno, and nope. 921284;1415941887;BingoBoingo;decimation: I think I've asked him before. He doesn't update though. He simply patches. 921285;1415941901;mircea_popescu;not in the past 6 months at least, no. 921286;1415941950;*;BingoBoingo wishes more software would go the errata+patches route 921287;1415941956;mircea_popescu;bout 5-6 years ago i had an actual major portal site, dtng (the 4chan clone) was on it, also fain (a romanian digg) and my blog and a bunch of other shit 921288;1415941988;mircea_popescu;at the time i had a full complement of php coder guru types, threw in "make me a better wp" in a worklist once and well... 921289;1415941995;decimation;BingoBoingo: well, redhat pretty much operates this way 921290;1415942011;decimation;rhel has slowly gone downhill over the past few years - becoming more 'poetterized' 921291;1415942021;BingoBoingo;decimation: Not really. RedHat still has updates. Red Hat's antithesis though... 921292;1415942034;mircea_popescu;dja mean anathema ? 921293;1415942035;decimation;one can inspect the patches, if one is willing to sit down and do the work 921294;1415942039;BingoBoingo;decimation: Well Red Hat hired Poettering 921295;1415942059;BingoBoingo;I imagine they saw the quick cash the microshit model brings 921296;1415942086;mircea_popescu;how did that quote go 921297;1415942102;decimation;well, when money is literally handed out to idiots via gov't programs, tricking idiots into forking over is a great business model 921298;1415942108;mircea_popescu;"Government sponsored enterprises enter the business, in due course bad behavior is made mandatory, and the evil financial network is bigger than the honest financial network, with the result that even though everyone knows what is happening, people continue to use the paper issued by the evil financial network, because of network effects - the big, main issuers, are the issuers you use if you want to do business." 921299;1415942120;decimation;yeah that 921300;1415942142;mircea_popescu;same shit, so foss starts, great, get rhel to be a pentagon contractor. 921301;1415942147;mircea_popescu;not because you want to use their code 921302;1415942152;mircea_popescu;but specifically because you do not want to. 921303;1415942156;mircea_popescu;soon enough... 921304;1415942186;mircea_popescu;the exact sort of thing that would render a us expeditionary force if the arabs but spoke english, is the exact thing that renders the "well meaning" idiots you mentioned earlier 921305;1415942192;mircea_popescu;because the bureaucracy DOES speak english. 921306;1415942200;decimation;I remember those heady days, when it was thought that it wouldn't be possible to 'make money' off of foss 921307;1415942210;decimation;now I wish the money would go away 921308;1415942215;mircea_popescu;it would have been, if someone added bitcoin to pgp 921309;1415942221;mircea_popescu;and pushed the holy trifecta through 921310;1415942223;mircea_popescu;but who ? 921311;1415942227;decimation;RMS 921312;1415942228;decimation;lol 921313;1415942234;mircea_popescu;people tend to be very laudative of the people that were smart, at any juncture 921314;1415942246;mircea_popescu;nobody ever goes "you shitfaces, THIS opportunity you missed. all of you." 921315;1415942253;BingoBoingo;Ah, the great thing about PGP is that GPG 1.4x fork won 921316;1415942265;mircea_popescu;well, except for terrorist me, of course, in a piece about romania's 80s generation. but that's besides the point. 921317;1415942277;BingoBoingo; nobody ever goes "you shitfaces, THIS opportunity you missed. all of you." << My brother the dentist does if you get him drunk. 921318;1415942283;decimation;yeah actually bitcoin is a great example of the link I posted yesterday, about technologies that *should* have been invented in the past but were not 921319;1415942286;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo that's not happenstance. that shit will happen again and again because it happened for fundamental reasons. 921320;1415942302;mircea_popescu;stan's fork will win the bitcoin through the same interplay of the same cosmic forces. 921321;1415942333;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: The problem I when he presents it is that not everyone wants to marry a large SJW, even if it means the dog you get in exchange is adorable 921322;1415942369;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo larger problem : men don't generally get that they have the god fucking given right to say "fuck you and get lost" 921323;1415942382;mircea_popescu;"door's that way" and variations thereof. 921324;1415942387;asciilifeform;obligatory naggum: 'suppose you thought of the new millennium when you wrote your application back in 1972 -- not only wouldn't you be invited to the party, those who knew you had done it right from the start and who probably laughed at you at the time would positively hate you now, and they sure as hell wouldn't tell people about you. and the more stupid they are, the more important it would be to pretend tha 921325;1415942387;asciilifeform;t nobody was smart enough to see the next millennium coming.' 921326;1415942395;mircea_popescu;prolly because only trolls and terrorists do that or something. 921327;1415942410;BingoBoingo;Indeed. Yes dentist brother gets his $600 bezzel per working day, but youngest brother for some reason doesn't share dentist brother's deviance. 921328;1415942419;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform this millenium, nobody actually saw. perhaps an excusable oversight, but still ridoinculous. 921329;1415942435;mircea_popescu;bitcoin + pgp + foss would have been a much better alternative past than fucktarded "flower power" 921330;1415942445;joecool;!s dentist 921331;1415942446;assbot;45 results for 'dentist' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=dentist 921332;1415942495;decimation;indeed it makes RMS's retarded diatribes look more retarded 921333;1415942507;BingoBoingo;Dentist brother is an absolute hoot around marine cousins though, with their memories of ship board dentistry 921334;1415942540;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: But tis is the past! 921335;1415942541;mircea_popescu;decimation that passion could have served a smarter man better you know ? 921336;1415942611;mircea_popescu;anyway, no point crying over the mud-like stupidity of our parents. 921337;1415942632;mircea_popescu;fuck them, move on, plenty of time left in the future to do important shit. 921338;1415942635;BingoBoingo;The newest past was born in January 2013 921339;1415942691;BingoBoingo;The TiDerps were slain, righteous had a path, and Bitcoin was cemented in the following months 921340;1415943387;scoopbot;New post on Qntra.net by Bingo Boingo: http://qntra.net/2014/11/isis-introduces-coins/ 921341;1415943414;BingoBoingo;^ ISIL Coin 921342;1415943524;mircea_popescu;http://jim.com/ << the page of the author of the prev quote, one James A. Donald 921343;1415943525;assbot;James's Liberty file collection index 921344;1415943576;mircea_popescu;(with http://anarchism.pageabode.com/anarcho/reign.html ) 921345;1415943576;assbot;James A. Donald's Reign of Error | Anarchist Writers 921346;1415943688;BingoBoingo;;;ticker --market all 921347;1415943715;gribble;Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 393.93, vol: 48451.68950503 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 387.0, vol: 27136.32982 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 392.0, vol: 133267.08674263 | CampBX BTCUSD last: 393.05, vol: 44.95610677 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 389.424576, vol: 602246.15620000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 395.0, vol: 76.28428452 | Bitcoin-Central BTCUSD last: 396.52026, vol: 218.25432093 | Volume-weighted last average: (1 more message) 921348;1415943756;BingoBoingo;I wonder how long the Chinese will suffer Buterin's Waterfall before forcing a showdown on the matter of STFUSA 921349;1415943871;BingoBoingo;Nao just feels so much like 11/12 921350;1415943973;BingoBoingo;Or when Nixon banished the rest of the press corps so he could talk to Hunter S. Thompson about football 921351;1415944011;asciilifeform;http://energy.gov/sites/prod/files/2014/04/f14/Volume%201%20NNSA.pdf << mega-turd. i don't expect that anyone will read it. but i did. and will relate, how obscenely it brags about the extraordinary bezzle of the u.s. 'national ignition facility' 921352;1415944044;asciilifeform;where, for no reason that has ever been publicly explained, laser-initiated fusion is diddled 921353;1415944056;asciilifeform;to no result, as far as is known, ever, at any point 921354;1415944081;asciilifeform;real reason: it is an extraordinarily expensive, multi-generational project to keep the entire field from developing. 921355;1415944104;BingoBoingo;How many cover pages do they need 921356;1415944146;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: to cut to the chase, grep for 'ignition' 921357;1415944177;asciilifeform;incidentally, this document is a fine example of the kind of stereotypically-bureaucratic style of writing usg runs on. 921358;1415944188;asciilifeform;almost a 'newspeak' 921359;1415944347;BingoBoingo;!up u00 921360;1415944777;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 71422 @ 0.00044167 = 31.545 BTC [-] 921361;1415944838;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8778 @ 0.00044497 = 3.9059 BTC [+] 921362;1415944962;BingoBoingo;!up dgeats 921363;1415944974;dgeats;ty 921364;1415945000;dgeats;;;eregister dgeats 1A76 4B0F 58BF 87CB C03D 5A4E A6D2 72BC 41B0 824A 921365;1415945000;gribble;Error: '1A76' is not a valid GPG key id. Please use the long form 16 digit key id. 921366;1415945050;dgeats;;;eregister dgeats A6D272BC41B0824A 921367;1415945052;gribble;Error: Could not retrieve your key from keyserver. Either it isn't there, or it is invalid. 921368;1415945238;BingoBoingo;Ah 921369;1415945246;BingoBoingo;The perils of the first time 921370;1415945424;BingoBoingo;!up bagels7 921371;1415945425;dgeats;BingoBoingo I feel like I’m putting my private keys and passwords EVERYWHERE 921372;1415945446;dgeats;aren’t they supposed to be private!!? 921373;1415945484;BingoBoingo;dgeats: PM, I'll halp troubleshoot to a point, but yes. Private keys stay private. If one of those strings you entered is a private key... Generate a new keypair. 921374;1415945488;dgeats;dude I’ve been trying for over a week 921375;1415945510;BingoBoingo;dgeats: PM, I'll walk you through. 921376;1415945848;BingoBoingo;;;ticker 921377;1415945850;gribble;Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 392.06, Best ask: 392.95, Bid-ask spread: 0.89000, Last trade: 392.95, 24 hour volume: 48213.33310422, 24 hour low: 381.55, 24 hour high: 453.92, 24 hour vwap: 414.170513306 921378;1415946063;dgeats;In the WoT I’m in the WoT hello bitcoin-assets!!! 921379;1415946072;BingoBoingo;;;ident dgeats 921380;1415946073;gribble;Nick 'dgeats', with hostmask 'dgeats!~user@173.219.118.98', is not identified. 921381;1415946088;BingoBoingo;Edward James Almost? 921382;1415946089;dgeats;dammit! 921383;1415946111;dgeats;ok I’ll go back to lurking 921384;1415946239;BingoBoingo;dgeats: No, finish your fucking registration. You needed help, help is offered, get this shit over with while someone has patience. 921385;1415946244;BingoBoingo;!up tryphe 921386;1415946275;dgeats;I’m definitely still trying searching through my open tabs on where to start 921387;1415946293;BingoBoingo;!up vexual 921388;1415946311;BingoBoingo;dgeats: Well, you could always ask vexual 921389;1415946325;BingoBoingo;!up Vexual 921390;1415946354;RagnarDanneskjol;http://www.contravex.com/2014/09/23/please-to-pgp-guide-for-linux-os-x-windows/ 921391;1415946355;assbot;Please To PGP (Guide for Linux, OS X, Windows) | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski 921392;1415946355;dgeats;Vexual is this a PM? 921393;1415946371;BingoBoingo;dgeats: This is main channel 921394;1415946403;dgeats;familiar with that page 921395;1415946440;dgeats;so I’m going to go to the GPG Keychain again and get another pair of keys? 921396;1415946520;BingoBoingo;dgeats: Are you familiar with http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/pgpgpg-guide/ 921397;1415946521;assbot;PGP/GPG Guide | Bingo Blog 921398;1415946556;BingoBoingo;And http://wiki.bitcoin-otc.com/wiki/GPG_authentication 921399;1415946558;assbot;GPG authentication - bitcoin-otc wiki 921400;1415946607;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26011 @ 0.00043228 = 11.244 BTC [-] 921401;1415946761;dgeats;BingoBoingo Not as familiar with your blog, I’ll read through it 921402;1415946857;BingoBoingo;!up dgeats 921403;1415947263;BingoBoingo;!up RetroUpriser 921404;1415947267;BingoBoingo;!up bagels7 921405;1415947274;RetroUpriser;Hello 921406;1415947276;BingoBoingo;;;ticker 921407;1415947277;gribble;Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 394.63, Best ask: 394.99, Bid-ask spread: 0.36000, Last trade: 393.77, 24 hour volume: 48234.83273786, 24 hour low: 381.55, 24 hour high: 453.92, 24 hour vwap: 414.033997412 921408;1415947278;BingoBoingo;Hallo 921409;1415947295;RetroUpriser;Is there a market for overnight shipping of raw milk? 921410;1415947307;RetroUpriser;Its only legal to buy in CT 921411;1415947308;Vexual;I reckon 921412;1415947328;RetroUpriser;and for, ahem, generous donations, id be willing to send some raw milk 921413;1415947331;Vexual;plenty of hipsters 921414;1415947389;Vexual;what whats CT? kentucky? 921415;1415947393;BingoBoingo;RetroUpriser: I'm not a big fan of Brucellosis 921416;1415947403;BingoBoingo;Vexual: CT is connecticut 921417;1415947416;Vexual;oh 921418;1415947455;BingoBoingo;!up CheckDavid 921419;1415947475;BingoBoingo;!up Ginux 921420;1415947508;thestringpuller;Hartford, CT my birthplace 921421;1415947510;BingoBoingo;The number of Homo genus members that acquires Brucellosis in Brucellosis free states amuses me 921422;1415947560;RetroUpriser;Anyone getting Brucellosis in a Brucellosis free state should be funny 921423;1415947603;BingoBoingo;Happens more often than you might suspect 921424;1415947655;Vexual;is it bad? 921425;1415947677;BingoBoingo;Vexual: Can be very bad 921426;1415947722;RetroUpriser;If you have no access to modern medicine 921427;1415947774;BingoBoingo;RetroUpriser: Even if. The responsible bacteria produces a good number of toxis so an antibiotic killing it creates a peak exposure to those during treatment 921428;1415947803;RetroUpriser;And i wouldnt say raw milk is the #1 way to contract it 921429;1415947831;BingoBoingo;Far from it, raw milk and beastiality are the only real ways to contract it 921430;1415947836;RetroUpriser;Which wont cause much damage unless your a pregnant woman 921431;1415947848;RetroUpriser;undercooked meat i'd say. 921432;1415947868;BingoBoingo;Oh, Brucellosis mostly kills peds patients 921433;1415947880;RetroUpriser;You should just avoid low quality food products. 921434;1415947885;RetroUpriser;in general. 921435;1415947888;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 38850 @ 0.00044708 = 17.3691 BTC [+] {2} 921436;1415947896;BingoBoingo;Indeed 921437;1415947922;RetroUpriser;But in the same sense, avoid all natural probiotic foods because they could be contaminated with harmful bacteria? 921438;1415947927;Vexual;raw milk is used for some cheeses perhaps? 921439;1415947949;RetroUpriser;No doubt, but so is pasturized milk. 921440;1415947985;BingoBoingo;Well the thing is something cultured with the right stuff doesn't give the wrong stuff the chance to live and you can tell by smell. It's why cheese and yogurt are safe but raw milk is a highway to the dangerzone 921441;1415948025;RetroUpriser;But no more than eating a medium rare steak from the cow producing it 921442;1415948025;Vexual;I have half a recolection that some chesse recipies prefer raw 921443;1415948049;RetroUpriser;But yeah the good bacteria will fight the bad 921444;1415948070;BingoBoingo;RetroUpriser: Generally in a steak if there was a pathogen of conern you'd see/smell the abcess and wonder then the cow got into a knife fight 921445;1415948119;RetroUpriser;So you'd think but i'm sure that isn't the case alot of the time 921446;1415948131;BingoBoingo;On the otherhand it isn't the slightest bit unbelievable for a dairy cow to drag its titties through cow shit 921447;1415948140;RetroUpriser;Would you smell it in the raw milk? 921448;1415948155;BingoBoingo;In raw milk you often can't smell it. 921449;1415948180;RetroUpriser;Right, im sure there are alot of cases where meat could be infected and not show the slightest sign of it 921450;1415948224;BingoBoingo;Which is why if the milk was raw yu want it in already fermented products where either dangerous smells would be stronger or the product wouldn't appear right. Milk itself is dangerous though. 921451;1415948249;RetroUpriser;Bottom line is that you shouldn't expose yourself to unclean products when you know they are of shady origin. But when you have a local farm that you can check out and see its sanitary conditions yourself.. it takes alot of the risk out of the picture. 921452;1415948251;BingoBoingo;Meat usually isn't so bad because there's less vulnerable surface area than milk 921453;1415948278;RetroUpriser;I suppose, but im a huge fan so the risk < reward 921454;1415948308;BingoBoingo;In milk generally all of the protein and fat globules contribute to surface area 921455;1415948320;RetroUpriser;I mean, i wouldn't be drinking raw milk from walmart brand cows 921456;1415948322;BingoBoingo;I mean the surface is better defined by... solidity 921457;1415949770;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform: real reason: it is an extraordinarily expensive, multi-generational project to keep the entire field from developing. <<< what sense does that make ? 921458;1415949892;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo they don't have endemic brucellosis in the us anymore do they ?! 921459;1415949965;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: Not in any animal herds, but somehow children still get it 921460;1415950015;mircea_popescu;maybe it's from the us weapons stockpile. 921461;1415950027;BingoBoingo;Basically for all of the expense and derping, USDA can't actually guarentee its own guarentees 921462;1415950040;mircea_popescu;that's a thing nixon is never remembered for, ending the biological warfare stockpiles. 921463;1415950061;mircea_popescu;hadn't he done so, you'd probably have heard spineless gonzalez, bharara et all argue for the legitimacy of their use. 921464;1415950115;mircea_popescu;anyway, romania is a few of the european states that never had it. along with, iirc, switzerland. 921465;1415950189;BingoBoingo;Last I heard, USia was spicing up 9-11 with bioweapons own goals 921466;1415950309;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo: RetroUpriser: Generally in a steak if there was a pathogen of conern you'd see/smell the abcess and wonder then the cow got into a knife fight << nah, most of the stuff youi can get that way you don't see. 921467;1415950330;mircea_popescu;trichinella is a fucking worm you still won't likely see it. 921468;1415950360;BingoBoingo;You see that more in pork than beef 921469;1415950415;mircea_popescu;sure. 921470;1415950433;mircea_popescu;beef is safer than most meats, but still. you dun see the stuff. 921471;1415950528;BingoBoingo;I mean the reason to avoid rare-ish ground beef is more sloppy meatcutters opening the colon than anything else 921472;1415950532;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo: On the otherhand it isn't the slightest bit unbelievable for a dairy cow to drag its titties through cow shit <<< im pretty sure nobody milks unwashed anymore. 921473;1415950534;mircea_popescu;for decades now. 921474;1415950617;BingoBoingo;You would think so, but in USia it isn't possible to pay enoug for a farmhand who cares to 921475;1415950686;BingoBoingo;I mean over here we grow fucking Dent corn for the sugar and actual sweet corn as a table vegetable 921476;1415950697;mircea_popescu;look at that, nif claims it actually went energy-positive last year 921477;1415950699;mircea_popescu;i had nfi. 921478;1415950734;*;BingoBoingo is enjoying the Sauds playing their version of Buterin's waterfall atm 921479;1415950876;*;BingoBoingo hasn't seen gas this cheap since 2010. 921480;1415950901;BingoBoingo;Not regularly this cheap pre-2009 in some years 921481;1415950939;BingoBoingo;Though winter of 2009 was beautiful with sub $2 per gallon gasoline. 921482;1415951037;mircea_popescu;how much is it now ? 921483;1415951090;BingoBoingo;$2.69 921484;1415951125;mircea_popescu;http://www.extremetech.com/extreme/192126-lockheed-says-itll-make-a-truck-sized-fusion-reactor-within-10-years << and from the bold claims department... 921485;1415951127;assbot;Lockheed says it’ll make a truck-sized fusion reactor within 10 years | ExtremeTech 921486;1415951149;mircea_popescu;he reduced size � just 10 feet by 7 feet � will allow Lockheed to �design, build, and test the CFR in less than a year.� 921487;1415951161;mircea_popescu;how the fuck is a miniaturized version easier is beyond me. 921488;1415951229;BingoBoingo;I guess fuckups are easier to insure on a smaller reactor? 921489;1415951264;BingoBoingo;!up Vexual 921490;1415951272;BingoBoingo;Vexual: Y u no blog yet??? 921491;1415951304;mircea_popescu;http://www.extremetech.com/extreme/191754-cold-fusion-reactor-verified-by-third-party-researchers-seems-to-have-1-million-times-the-energy-density-of-gasoline 921492;1415951305;assbot;Cold fusion reactor verified by third-party researchers, seems to have 1 million times the energy density of gasoline | ExtremeTech 921493;1415951310;mircea_popescu;no shortage of bold claims it seesm 921494;1415951344;BingoBoingo;Eh, might as well get the bold claims in now, before the whips come 921495;1415951463;mircea_popescu;something on the magnitude order of getting fusion to work is pretty much the only way out of the slump for teh west. 921496;1415951539;BingoBoingo;Oh, but without fears of a Stalin, they only way to develop it requires insuring it. 921497;1415951554;mircea_popescu;maybe. 921498;1415951560;mircea_popescu;lots of free money may help there. 921499;1415951610;BingoBoingo;Only for so much longer 921500;1415951702;Vexual;I wonder how small they can go if smaller is easier 921501;1415951750;Vexual;oh, it says 921502;1415951893;BingoBoingo;!up jacoblyles 921503;1415952217;Vexual;BingoBoingo: Vexual: Y u no blog yet??? kalyhost stole my moeneyz 921504;1415952963;BingoBoingo;!up dgeats 921505;1415953017;Vexual;still parsing the history of pgp 921506;1415953027;BingoBoingo;Ah 921507;1415953040;Vexual;i guess 921508;1415953081;BingoBoingo;!up Vexual 921509;1415953203;BingoBoingo;;;ticker --market all 921510;1415953210;gribble;Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 392.43, vol: 48264.10238920 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 385.95, vol: 24858.0845 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 393.49, vol: 115673.95376961 | CampBX BTCUSD last: 403.87, vol: 39.1832539 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 389.973731, vol: 599526.01520000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 395.0, vol: 70.24819212 | Bitcoin-Central BTCUSD last: 396.322256, vol: 174.64115222 | Volume-weighted last average: (1 more message) 921511;1415953247;BingoBoingo;Oh, the Chinese lead the drop tonight 921512;1415953344;BingoBoingo;https://www.reddit.com/r/auroracoin << lol 921513;1415953346;assbot;Auroracoin 921514;1415953723;BingoBoingo;!up bagels7 921515;1415954029;mircea_popescu;https://www.reddit.com/r/auroracoin/comments/2icorq/what_killed_auroracoin/ << lolok. 921516;1415954031;assbot;What killed Auroracoin? : auroracoin 921517;1415954042;mircea_popescu;and since we're doing the internet sewer, https://bitcointa.lk/threads/definitive-proof-that-satoshi-nakamoto-is-james-a-donald.320588/ 921518;1415954043;assbot;Definitive proof that Satoshi Nakamoto is James A. Donald. | Bitcointa.lk 921519;1415954091;dgeats;;;gettrust dgeats 921520;1415954092;gribble;Currently authenticated from hostmask dgeats!~user@173.219.118.98. Trust relationship from user dgeats to user dgeats: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=dgeats&dest=dgeats | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=dgeats | Rated since: never 921521;1415954116;Vexual;woot 921522;1415954122;dgeats;sup b-a 921523;1415954144;BingoBoingo;Whatever happened to Sir Reginald GreyhawK? 921524;1415954208;mircea_popescu;nothing much. 921525;1415954219;mircea_popescu;his cover being inadvertently blown, he retired. 921526;1415954230;Vexual;what happened with your hitler portait? 921527;1415954311;BingoBoingo;On that note it's bedtime and MP's BitBet penny sports bet nightmare is over. 921528;1415954411;Vexual;what's your story dgeats? 921529;1415954469;dgeats;I know nothing about computers and I’m 31 y/o 921530;1415954496;mircea_popescu;so what do you do ? 921531;1415954515;dgeats;I sell real estate 921532;1415954528;dgeats;I’m a “REALTOR” 921533;1415954545;BingoBoingo;Wait, so the FBI lives in your butt? 921534;1415954585;dgeats;wouldn’t take it from such jerks 921535;1415954594;BingoBoingo;Or is that just-Tor 921536;1415954611;dgeats;no kidding 921537;1415954615;mircea_popescu;where ? 921538;1415954616;dgeats;all very new to me 921539;1415954628;dgeats;tor browsers and irc everything 921540;1415954636;mircea_popescu;no i mean, realtor where. 921541;1415954655;dgeats;Humboldt County, CA ;) 921542;1415954667;dgeats;for real though 921543;1415954679;dgeats;been here for the past 10 years or so 921544;1415954713;dgeats;about a week into the logs, lots and lots to catch up on 921545;1415954734;mircea_popescu;;;rate dgeats 1 CA realtor, he says. 921546;1415954735;gribble;Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user dgeats has been recorded. 921547;1415954823;Vexual;thats almost bens neck of the woods 921548;1415954825;mircea_popescu;dgeats pm assbot !up 921549;1415954944;dgeats;in real estate not by accident, it’s still a major part of the economy 921550;1415954958;cazalla;wonder if 8chan mystery donator is in here 921551;1415954959;dgeats;I wonder what property rights are like in Romania 921552;1415955022;mircea_popescu;dgeats they are bizarre at best. 921553;1415955049;dgeats;not “a bundle of rights” like in the states? 921554;1415955128;mircea_popescu;i wrote a little about the nuttery of it, back in romanian days. lemme see if i can find it. 921555;1415955269;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13900 @ 0.00044062 = 6.1246 BTC [-] 921556;1415955320;mircea_popescu;http://pastebin.com/AgUhmsB1 921557;1415955320;assbot;http://trilema.com/2009/evaluarea-proprietatii-imobiliare/ http://trilema.com/2 - Pastebin.com 921558;1415955322;mircea_popescu;apparently i wrote a lot. 921559;1415955405;dgeats;hmmm can’t make it out ha ha 921560;1415955492;mircea_popescu;:p 921561;1415955495;mircea_popescu;remains an enigma 921562;1415955594;dgeats;wow you actually did write about real estate in Romania 921563;1415955644;mircea_popescu;well yeah ? 921564;1415955645;Naphex;ttp://trilema.com/2009/evaluarea-proprietatii-imobiliare/ 921565;1415955657;Naphex;damn right click pastes :) 921566;1415955660;Naphex;hi o/. 921567;1415955664;mircea_popescu;;) 921568;1415955706;Naphex;https://www.reddit.com/r/BitcoinMarkets/comments/2m6rp7/hitbtc_about_to_go_mt_gox/ 921569;1415955725;Naphex;that exchange smelled hell fishy from day #1 wtf 921570;1415955742;Naphex;also exchanges are hard to run, idiots should stop trying 921571;1415955973;punkman;!s hitbtc 921572;1415955974;assbot;15 results for 'hitbtc' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=hitbtc 921573;1415955984;punkman;did they even have any customers? 921574;1415956021;mircea_popescu;Naphex im sure "customers" and "experts" will both listen to your #1 and #2 above, yeah. 921575;1415956041;mircea_popescu;they tend to read and understand, it's what they do. not like "why should i even bother with the wot" an' stuff. 921576;1415956099;Naphex;wot or any due dilligance 921577;1415956110;Naphex;punkman: they sure had lots of fake volume 921578;1415956112;mircea_popescu;or any thinking. 921579;1415956164;Naphex;mircea_popescu: BTCXchange offered SSL Authenticated with GlobalSign.EU, the registration certificate was posted. And all due dilligance info posted 921580;1415956172;Naphex;yet then people go well 'Romania!' 921581;1415956203;mircea_popescu;yeah, see, you should have had "real brick and mortar stores" in cyprus. 921582;1415956213;punkman;Naphex, could have been worse, good thing you aren't Nigerian 921583;1415956216;mircea_popescu;much better than europe's highest per capita gold reserve country o.O 921584;1415956221;Naphex;punkman: :)) 921585;1415956347;Naphex;also lots of eshops going up with btcxpay for btc->ron https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=855469.0 921586;1415956348;assbot;Magazine online care acceptă bitcoin prin serviciul de plată BTCXpay.ro 921587;1415956489;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 79650 @ 0.00043202 = 34.4104 BTC [-] {2} 921588;1415957648;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34000 @ 0.00044201 = 15.0283 BTC [+] {2} 921589;1415958151;punkman;nubbins`: so maybe deedbot shouldn't be stripping the \n at eof << it's not really, just doesn't care for anything outside the first and last dash of a gpg message 921590;1415958685;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 70350 @ 0.00043076 = 30.304 BTC [-] {2} 921591;1415959447;mircea_popescu;heh. 921592;1415959450;mircea_popescu;no scoopbot huh 921593;1415959562;mircea_popescu;http://esr.ibiblio.org/ << shit, ers had a blog ? 921594;1415959623;mircea_popescu;all these years ?! 921595;1415959846;mircea_popescu;http://esr.ibiblio.org/?p=4781 and it's really good, too. 921596;1415960272;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AMHASH2] 1666 @ 0.0012 = 1.9992 BTC 921597;1415960858;mircea_popescu;!up pirateoftheapes 921598;1415960882;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 45116 @ 0.00044343 = 20.0058 BTC [+] {2} 921599;1415962396;cazalla;putin is due to land here within a few hours with obama due in the morning 921600;1415962541;cazalla;!up vexual 921601;1415962754;punkman;does this have a good signature? http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=0nULimNT 921602;1415962815;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12459 @ 0.00044714 = 5.5709 BTC [+] 921603;1415963217;Vexual;apec had those cool steven segal costumes, we prive.. heatwave 921604;1415963242;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 67807 @ 0.00044716 = 30.3206 BTC [+] {2} 921605;1415963777;cazalla;so.. is qntra down for others? 921606;1415963792;punkman;yep 921607;1415963823;cazalla;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-11-2014#920333 lol 921608;1415963823;assbot;Logged on 13-11-2014 22:25:37; mircea_popescu: rithm: it's cryptowall now and from what i can tell it's infected sites like mom & pop's ruinning old WP/drupal/some CMS <<< yeah, stuff the shitheads in question don't maintain, then i have to answer biweekly questions of "is qntra down". off with their heads i say! 921609;1415963845;punkman;cazalla, could try http://aws.amazon.com/cloudfront/ 921610;1415963906;cazalla;punkman, i'll leave it in the hands of mp 921611;1415964153;jurov;punkman: gpg: BAD signature from "RagnarDanneskjol (fuck yo' couch) " [neznáme] 921612;1415964188;punkman;RagnarDanneskjol: ^ 921613;1415964193;RagnarDanneskjol;thanks jurov - figured that out 921614;1415964248;jurov;btw, if i'm doing the web submission, what about js verifier? does anyone has it already? 921615;1415964281;punkman;you can try that openpgpjs thing, but why? 921616;1415964321;jurov;it looks like it needs some server part 921617;1415964328;jurov;so i'm asking 921618;1415964366;jurov;and i prefer the ability of user to check stuff on his side before uploading text and files 921619;1415964389;jurov;although... dunno if js can actually read uploaded files 921620;1415964785;cazalla;putin has touched down! 921621;1415964854;jurov;lol what? 921622;1415964861;cazalla;aus media is talking up putin being here more so than obama 921623;1415965060;jurov;what does he want from aussies? 921624;1415965162;cazalla;g20 is on and media are playing it off as putin versus our prime minister due to MH17 921625;1415965242;jurov;is that the pencilneck one? or it was canadian PM? 921626;1415965309;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33000 @ 0.00044255 = 14.6042 BTC [-] {2} 921627;1415965419;cazalla;no idea, our pm said he was gonna shirt lift putin 921628;1415965435;cazalla;shirtfront even 921629;1415965445;davout;cazalla: fyi qntra is unreadable on my mobile 921630;1415965495;cazalla;davout, it's down atm or are you speaking generally 921631;1415965507;davout;generally 921632;1415965586;cazalla;i'll speak with BingoBoingo and see what we can, might be a plugin that will make it more mobile friendly 921633;1415965591;cazalla;can do* 921634;1415965700;davout;disabling all CSS would be fine 921635;1415965726;davout;that's the advantage with sites that are lightly styled, they usually degrade much better when disabling CSS 921636;1415966407;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 43900 @ 0.00044844 = 19.6865 BTC [+] {2} 921637;1415966488;jurov;https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B2Mp_0iIUAAcNdn.jpg:large 921638;1415966548;jurov;^ just for the mood 921639;1415969293;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 45000 @ 0.00043999 = 19.7996 BTC [-] {2} 921640;1415969781;assbot;[MPEX] [FT] [X.EUR] 423 @ 0.00316761 = 1.3399 BTC [+] {3} 921641;1415970330;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 70500 @ 0.00043719 = 30.8219 BTC [-] {2} 921642;1415972221;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25693 @ 0.00043813 = 11.2569 BTC [+] {2} 921643;1415973258;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 39850 @ 0.00043902 = 17.4949 BTC [+] 921644;1415973319;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 75045 @ 0.00043536 = 32.6716 BTC [-] {3} 921645;1415974827;punkman;for future reference: "gpgv" is somewhat smaller than the fully-blown gpg and uses a different (and simpler) way to check that the public keys used to make the signature are valid. 921646;1415975716;davout;punkman: "uses a different (and simpler) way to check that the public keys used to make the signature are valid" <<< sounds sketchy 921647;1415975793;punkman;well it's official, but maybe 921648;1415976055;gernika;BingoBoingo: I liked the IsisCoin story. 921649;1415976727;BingoBoingo;Thanks gernika 921650;1415976903;notary;[trust-update] added: dgeats 921651;1415977306;BingoBoingo;http://deadspin.com/maybe-you-shouldnt-thank-this-specific-follower-patrio-1658660978 << Perils of automation 921652;1415977307;assbot;Maybe You Shouldn't Thank This Specific Follower, Patriots? 921653;1415978992;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 77600 @ 0.00043407 = 33.6838 BTC [-] {2} 921654;1415979502;BingoBoingo;http://qntra.net/2014/11/imperial-college-host-bitcoin-technology-competition-for-students/ 921655;1415979926;The20YearIRCloud;RentalStarter has set their 12th monthly dividend payment today. Total per share is 0.00002537 921656;1415979989;BingoBoingo;;;later tell mircea_popescu http://www.paymentssource.com/news/interchange/kim-kardashians-lessons-for-the-bitcoin-card-industry-3019708-1.html 921657;1415980049;gribble;The operation succeeded. 921658;1415980476;mats_cd03;im hurting from s.mpoe taking a dive 921659;1415980620;The20YearIRCloud;why'd it dive? 921660;1415980717;mats_cd03;no idea. 921661;1415980717;BingoBoingo;It's a mystery 921662;1415981575;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11862 @ 0.00043393 = 5.1473 BTC [-] 921663;1415981647;danielpbarron;;;isitdown trilema.com 921664;1415981648;gribble;trilema.com is up 921665;1415981764;Duffer1;;;isitdown qntra.net 921666;1415981765;gribble;qntra.net is up 921667;1415981768;Duffer1;lies 921668;1415981825;danielpbarron;yeah both appear down to me, from 3 different ips 921669;1415981946;asciilifeform;same 921670;1415982141;BingoBoingo;;;ticker 921671;1415982143;gribble;Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 390.86, Best ask: 391.5, Bid-ask spread: 0.64000, Last trade: 391.87, 24 hour volume: 41838.99860218, 24 hour low: 381.55, 24 hour high: 431.59, 24 hour vwap: 403.110014299 921672;1415982429;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MG] 21111 @ 0.00009 = 1.9 BTC [-] {2} 921673;1415982787;BingoBoingo;!up so 921674;1415983588;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 38012 @ 0.00043244 = 16.4379 BTC [-] {2} 921675;1415986629;jurov;re:putin http://www.theaustralian.com.au/business/in-depth/russia-says-fleet-of-warships-is-off-australia-for-climate-research/story-fnpebfcn-1227123047034?nk=944f472ed8ac245182d4622953d08019 921676;1415986629;assbot;Cookies must be enabled. | The Australian 921677;1415987126;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 400 @ 0.00652083 = 2.6083 BTC [+] {22} 921678;1415987187;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 51800 @ 0.00043144 = 22.3486 BTC [-] {2} 921679;1415988212;jurov;$proxies 921680;1415988213;empyex;jurov: Proxies: mpex.bz mpex.ws mpex.co mpex.biz mpex.coinbr.com Current MPEx GPG-Key-ID: 02DD2D91 921681;1415988216;empyex;jurov: MPEx-Status: mpex.biz (94 milliseconds), mpex.co (117 milliseconds), mpex.bz (168 milliseconds), mpex.coinbr.com (552 milliseconds), mpex.ws (2112 milliseconds) 921682;1415988217;empyex;jurov: Health-Indicators: Homepage: √ MK Depth JSON: √ VWAP JSON: √ 921683;1415988239;jurov;;;isup mpex.ws 921684;1415988241;gribble;mpex.ws is up 921685;1415988271;jurov;http://live.coinbr.com/?mpsic=S.MPOE looks interesting again 921686;1415988271;assbot;CoinBr Live S.MPOE 921687;1415989627;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4300 @ 0.00043461 = 1.8688 BTC [+] 921688;1415990061;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo yeah im sure lol. 921689;1415990298;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17600 @ 0.00043048 = 7.5764 BTC [-] 921690;1415990482;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 56300 @ 0.00043043 = 24.2332 BTC [-] {2} 921691;1415990713;mircea_popescu;cazalla http://www.dailykos.com/story/2014/11/13/1344589/-Bitcoin-may-be-worth-1-million-says-Pal 921692;1415990714;assbot;Bitcoin may be worth $1 million; says Pal 921693;1415990839;xanthyos;i wish they showed the equation 921694;1415990860;mircea_popescu;dailykos, it doesn't do equations, they're racist. 921695;1415990937;BingoBoingo;Nice work MP 921696;1415990980;mircea_popescu;http://www.catb.org/~esr/aim/ < i dunno if this lulz was here. 921697;1415990981;assbot;Page not found – ibiblio 921698;1415991056;mircea_popescu;cazalla: so.. is qntra down for others? << uh i just looked at it. 921699;1415991202;mircea_popescu;https://www.cryptocoinsnews.com/bitcoin-trader-biz-let-bitcoin-trader-earn-money/ << lawl. 921700;1415991202;assbot; Bitcoin-Trader.Biz - Insolvent - CryptoCoinsNews 921701;1415991215;mats_cd03;funny how there's no mention of USD being worth <0.1% of BTC if it goes to 1mn BTCUSD 921702;1415991262;mircea_popescu;how you reason ? 921703;1415991412;asciilifeform;http://www.dailykos.com/comments/1344589/54989752#c16 << extra lulzy 921704;1415991414;assbot;Daily Kos :: Comments: Bitcoin may be worth $1 million; says Pal 921705;1415991503;mircea_popescu;jurov: what does he want from aussies? <<< russia needs military bases overseas like kim kardashian needs horsecock. 921706;1415991557;mircea_popescu;Bitcoin software does not appear to be vetted to such an extend. << the english-t to d migration is soooo indicative of a native romanian speaker you can't imagine. 921707;1415991619;asciilifeform;and u.s. illiterates. 921708;1415991630;mircea_popescu;is it ? 921709;1415991649;asciilifeform;aha. 921710;1415991651;mircea_popescu;i've not commonly seen it outside of ro hack-kiddies speaking english 921711;1415991664;mircea_popescu;or for that matter, my own output lol. 921712;1415991706;mircea_popescu;davout: disabling all CSS would be fine << he has a point there, just de-css-ify it for mobile, will be fine. 921713;1415991711;asciilifeform;i've probably crapped out every conceivable kind of mistake (when hammering in real time. text that i get to read again before broadcast - another matter) 921714;1415991723;mircea_popescu;most mobile platforms have spent more money on making their thing work on unstyled websites than we ever will on qntra. 921715;1415991739;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform just about, as one gets tired stuff starts to mutate. 921716;1415991749;asciilifeform;fingers - will of their own. 921717;1415991807;asciilifeform;http://scottlocklin.wordpress.com/2014/11/14/notation-as-a-tool-for-thought-wavelets-in-j << for aficionados of peculiar programming systems 921718;1415991808;assbot;Notation as a tool for thought: Wavelets in J | Locklin on science 921719;1415991848;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: I gave the viewport tag one last tweak, next step is yeah, just denying mobiles any styling at all beyond what they bring on their own 921720;1415991884;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 48277 @ 0.00043473 = 20.9875 BTC [+] {2} 921721;1415991930;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform just between you and me and nobody else : i very much doubt the average j user actually has the mental acumen to correctly understand the actual effects of recursive transforms available to them, wavelets or no wavelets. 921722;1415991957;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: lol! you know actual 'j' users?! 921723;1415991962;mircea_popescu;you think coders are bad, just wait till you see mathematicians apply automated processes to statistical samples. 921724;1415991978;mircea_popescu;a few... 921725;1415991980;asciilifeform;not confusing with 'r' ? 921726;1415992002;mircea_popescu;well no 921727;1415992033;*;asciilifeform must have slept through the re-appearance of 'j' 921728;1415992057;mircea_popescu;as far as i can see, it's the common step away from excel 921729;1415992059;asciilifeform;i wanted a book on 'j' 5 or so years ago, had to go to a library with spy camera. 921730;1415992068;mircea_popescu;once people crash their system trying to load 1mn cells for the 1kth time 921731;1415992098;asciilifeform;around here, the 'common step away from excel' is 'r'. 921732;1415992116;asciilifeform;(open-source statistical gizmo, vaguely reminiscent of 'octave') 921733;1415992124;mircea_popescu;does it work on windows ? 921734;1415992132;asciilifeform;afaik yes. 921735;1415992172;mircea_popescu;apparently. well then i dunno. 921736;1415992388;mircea_popescu;jurov: http://live.coinbr.com/?mpsic=S.MPOE looks interesting again <<< it does, esp the week view. o.O look at that. 921737;1415992389;assbot;CoinBr Live S.MPOE 921738;1415992461;BingoBoingo;http://letstalkbitcoin.com/blog/post/an-open-letter-to-jason-king-of-seans-outpost 921739;1415992464;assbot;An Open Letter to Jason King of Seans Outpost | Lets Talk Bitcoin 921740;1415992498;mircea_popescu;who;s this guy again ? 921741;1415992591;asciilifeform;'This sort of illogic is rampant in debates about cold fusion, particularly when experts respond to irritating, unwelcome suggestions made by amateurs. They start out cautioning the amateur that instruments such as calorimeters have a margin of error, and calorimeters frequently malfunction with leaking cooling fluid and other problems. When the expert senses the message is not getting through, and the amateur 921742;1415992591;asciilifeform;still believes that cold fusion calorimetry indicates real excess heat, the frustrated expert may resort to extreme, untenable claims, such as a statement that no calorimeter has an error less than 10%, when in fact the error margin for top-quality conventional instruments is on the order of 0.1%. Or he may wave his hands and say calorimeters are so undependable that you cannot run one for more than a few days 921743;1415992592;asciilifeform;without recalibrating, when in fact a good one will run reliably for months.' ( http://www.lenr-canr.org/acrobat/RothwellJcoldfusion.pdf ) 921744;1415992608;asciilifeform;^ very interestingly perverse comparison of the 'titanic' aftermath and that of 'cold fusion' 921745;1415992645;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: The homeless bitcoin camp 921746;1415992654;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform this is true tho. you familiar witrh playing pokler at all ? 921747;1415992662;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo oh oh. mkay. 921748;1415992672;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: on the vary basic level. 921749;1415992676;asciilifeform;*very 921750;1415992687;mircea_popescu;do you know what meta coincepts are, like "playing loose" or "tight" ? 921751;1415992691;asciilifeform;aha 921752;1415992701;mircea_popescu;now, thinking obviously has nothing to do with poker 921753;1415992706;asciilifeform;although 'tilt' might be the more relevant pokerism 921754;1415992709;mircea_popescu;persuasion, however, is exactly that, poker reskinned. 921755;1415992723;mircea_popescu;the most significant error of judgement made by experts as far as i've seen yet is 921756;1415992729;mircea_popescu;when confronted with an inept player they loosen up their game 921757;1415992737;mircea_popescu;this is so idiotic as to defy sufficient expression. 921758;1415992773;asciilifeform;almost as if they were living creatures trying to conserve energy or something 921759;1415992789;mircea_popescu;the #1 reason it is idiotic is that the inept player may actually and usually does notice the loosening, and takes this as a honest signal that the expert is bluffing 921760;1415992795;mircea_popescu;on the, bluffs here, bluffs everywhere heuristic 921761;1415992828;mircea_popescu;the #2 reason it is idiotic is that discussion has remanence, poker hands do not. expert 30 years in has a fucking string of noted down examples of having done this, people with an ideologic interest can use to strangle him with 921762;1415992838;asciilifeform;aha. 921763;1415992844;mircea_popescu;this is something a politician is keenly aware of, but since the expert's brain actually functions, he's no politician. 921764;1415992845;asciilifeform;the linked article is at least partly about this. 921765;1415992873;asciilifeform;see also james randi's notes on how physicists are easily fooled by methods that fool not one stage magician 921766;1415992881;mircea_popescu;yup. 921767;1415992891;mircea_popescu;"gotta play the audience" means exactly that. 921768;1415992902;mircea_popescu;being a physicist doesn't make one immune, only diffusion makes one immune. 921769;1415992913;asciilifeform;robert wood was probably the one notable exception to this blindness. 921770;1415992929;asciilifeform;was an unambiguous master of both magics. 921771;1415992933;mircea_popescu;i suppose this also wraps right back up into wavelets lol. 921772;1415992948;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform he was an engineer. 921773;1415992952;asciilifeform;;;google robert wood n-rays 921774;1415992953;gribble;N ray - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: ; Robert W. Wood - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: ; Blondlot and N-rays - The Skeptic's Dictionary - Skepdic.com: 921775;1415992953;mircea_popescu;this is the definition of an engineer. 921776;1415992986;asciilifeform;wood was a proper, full-bore polymath. 921777;1415993004;asciilifeform;which, i suppose, includes engineering. 921778;1415993239;asciilifeform;'If it ever becomes generally known that cold fusion is real, how will the scientists who opposed it react? A few may take responsibility and go down with the ship, retiring from academic life. I hope that most will regret their actions, and try to prevent such a thing from occurring again. Some will react the way Lightoller did, blaming Pons and Fleischmann. They may say the traditions and customs of science a 921779;1415993239;asciilifeform;re more important than experimental results. Lightoller, in effect, put traditions and customs ahead of the lives of passengers. To him, �the experience of years� and �what we have always done� outweighed all practical suggestions as to what we might do instead, to avoid killing thousands of people.' 921780;1415993257;asciilifeform;story time. i don't personally have any truck with fusion, cold or not; 921781;1415993290;asciilifeform;but the phenomenon described above is entirely the root of the al schwartz equivalence principle violation experiment 921782;1415993311;asciilifeform;or rather, lack of experiment, because the entire sub-field formed a 'solid blue wall' against herr schwartz 921783;1415993319;asciilifeform;for the reason stated in the 'titanic' article. 921784;1415993449;asciilifeform;modern-day physicists want a demonstrable equivalence principle violation the way they want horsecock. 921785;1415993452;asciilifeform;or bullet in head. 921786;1415993569;BingoBoingo;http://www.telegraph.co.uk/technology/twitter/11230144/Twitter-rated-as-junk-by-SandP-shares-drop-5pc.html 921787;1415993569;assbot;Twitter rated as 'junk' by S&P, shares drop 5pc - Telegraph 921788;1415993619;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform i diun get it, who would be opposed to cold fusion and why ? 921789;1415993647;asciilifeform;the folks who built careers on (promise of) the 'hot' variety. 921790;1415993648;mircea_popescu;los_pantalones can i buy any ws puts off you btw ? 921791;1415993653;asciilifeform;(just one example) 921792;1415993659;mircea_popescu;i guess... 921793;1415993667;asciilifeform;under the bezzle, there is very little profit in solutions. 921794;1415993671;los_pantalones;ha, TWTR put ? 921795;1415993676;asciilifeform;in prolonging agony - quite a bit. 921796;1415993684;los_pantalones;why don't you list stuff like that on mpex ? 921797;1415993694;mircea_popescu;i dunno, maybe im unbecomingly naive, but to my eyes cold fusion working is an event of such magnitude, it'd trigger an Auld Lang Syne moment. 921798;1415993705;mircea_popescu;los_pantalones well for lack of a mm actually. 921799;1415993721;los_pantalones;hmm 921800;1415993722;mircea_popescu;ifsomeone wanted to manage a portofolio of ws shortness for btc, it'd prolly rock. 921801;1415993736;mircea_popescu;!up cypherc 921802;1415993772;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: try to picture how bitcoin would have been treated, even in the embryonic stage, if the implications for the next xxx years from it, were entirely obvious to all. 921803;1415993775;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 59788 @ 0.00043289 = 25.8816 BTC [-] {2} 921804;1415993811;mats_cd03;;;calc calc [ticker --last]/(10**6) 921805;1415993813;gribble;Error: invalid syntax (, line 1) 921806;1415993814;mircea_popescu;maybe. 921807;1415993820;mats_cd03;;;calc [ticker --last]/(10**6) 921808;1415993821;gribble;0.00039599 921809;1415993821;asciilifeform;auld lang syne, lol. 921810;1415993825;mircea_popescu;except free enerngy is quite unlike bitcoin. 921811;1415993825;asciilifeform;horst wessel lied. 921812;1415993887;mats_cd03;mircea_popescu: to rephrase, the dollar would have lost 99.99% of its value on the trip to 1mn BTCUSD 921813;1415993896;mircea_popescu;mats_cd03 only ~50%. 921814;1415994135;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform no, seriously, cold fusion would actually make the "local production" stuff that link earlier was harping about a reality. 921815;1415994151;asciilifeform;would make many things. 921816;1415994154;asciilifeform;e.g., laser pistol. 921817;1415994168;mircea_popescu;it's the one card out that could save teh current usg / societal structure. 921818;1415994184;mircea_popescu;i can't imagine anyone'd manage to supress it if it could work. 921819;1415994190;asciilifeform;quite a few of the ancient science-fictional machines of early 20th c. imagination. 921820;1415994204;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: this is why i mentioned schwartz example. 921821;1415994212;asciilifeform;very often, 'works' is like early lisp machine. 921822;1415994221;asciilifeform;unwieldy, ruinously expensive, terrible ROI. 921823;1415994230;asciilifeform;faraday's 'what use is a baby.' 921824;1415994243;asciilifeform;baby - can kill with one hand. 921825;1415994246;mircea_popescu;i dunno. 921826;1415994251;mircea_popescu;maybe. 921827;1415994257;mircea_popescu;Lightoller is a particularly bad example, by the way. 921828;1415994265;mircea_popescu;his decisions were correct on the deck. 921829;1415994286;mircea_popescu;a ship is sinking is undisputably the worst time to be going out doing "research". 921830;1415994329;mircea_popescu;the fundamntal understanding of this is illustrated by the case made for giving people tenure and shit. research is an activity of the safe, which is why prisons and other emperor of the flies situations aren't conducive to proving the fermat conjecture. 921831;1415994356;asciilifeform;well, yes 921832;1415994364;asciilifeform;author of linked piece takes issue with l's conduct pre-sinking. 921833;1415994365;mircea_popescu;when a ship is sinking, the officer is to do EXACTLY what's done. 921834;1415994384;mircea_popescu;ah like that. 921835;1415994387;mircea_popescu;mebbe. 921836;1415994394;asciilifeform;see pg. 9. 921837;1415994404;asciilifeform;'C: What I want to suggest to you is that it was recklessness, utter recklessness, in view of the conditions 921838;1415994404;asciilifeform;which you have described as abnormal, and in view of the knowledge you had from various sources that 921839;1415994404;asciilifeform;ice was in your immediate vicinity, to proceed at 21.5 knots. 921840;1415994404;asciilifeform;L: Then all I can say is that recklessness applies to practically every commander and every ship crossing 921841;1415994405;asciilifeform;the Atlantic Ocean.' 921842;1415994419;asciilifeform;he's essentially sticking to the 'flondor defence.' 921843;1415994427;asciilifeform;'everybody did it.' 921844;1415994455;mircea_popescu;i don't think they understood ice will crush the ship, tbh. 921845;1415994475;asciilifeform;curious why mr. l did not say this, then. 921846;1415994475;mircea_popescu;they thought they had built the lenin 921847;1415994482;mircea_popescu;why do you think lol. 921848;1415994490;asciilifeform;the 'uncrushable' thing was more of a marketing literature, tbh 921849;1415994504;asciilifeform;folks who actually made their living on ships, knew better. 921850;1415994510;mircea_popescu;let me model why : if i'm in that situation and you ask me that, i'ma in typical style go "wel lfrankly, i didn't believe that ice can crush steel. sue me." 921851;1415994512;mircea_popescu;so they'd hang me. 921852;1415994520;mircea_popescu;that means either i don't have kids or my kids don't do so well. 921853;1415994525;mircea_popescu;meanwhile, l goes "well...derp" 921854;1415994528;mircea_popescu;did they hang him ? 921855;1415994530;mircea_popescu;so therefore! 921856;1415994547;asciilifeform;'nobody ever got hanged for buying ibm stock.' 921857;1415994569;mircea_popescu;maybe they knew better, hard to know what individuals knew or thought. but imo, they honestl ybelieved ice is now butter, because forward britannia! 921858;1415994624;Adlai;!s isis currency 921859;1415994624;assbot;2 results for 'isis currency' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=isis+currency 921860;1415994651;asciilifeform;speaking of ice... 921861;1415994652;asciilifeform;http://news.yahoo.com/nations-last-big-icebreaker-endures-despite-age-214106918.html 921862;1415994654;assbot;Nation's last big icebreaker endures despite age - Yahoo News 921863;1415994654;BingoBoingo;Adlai: been qntra'd http://qntra.net/2014/11/isis-introduces-coins/ 921864;1415994655;assbot;ISIS Introduces Coins | Qntra.net 921865;1415994655;Adlai;^^ this is fantastically unrelated to bitcoin 921866;1415994689;Adlai;this is about as related to bitcoin as it would be if south sudan were to mint its own pound... oh wait, they did. where's qntra on that? 921867;1415994696;mircea_popescu;Adlai terrorism. one degree of separation. 921868;1415994773;Adlai;ok, i'll admit, isiscoin serves to attract investment capital away from bitcoin, and acts as a potentially stabler store of value for dollar-averse wealth 921869;1415994778;Adlai;let's short bitcoin! 921870;1415994813;BingoBoingo;Well, a lot of the problems Bitcoin solves aren't relevant to ISIS 921871;1415994838;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform btw, that boer war fort thing ? lol! 921872;1415994894;asciilifeform;wai wat 921873;1415994949;mircea_popescu;lightoller, back during his time in the navy, was on a ship visiting south africa during the boer war 921874;1415994969;mircea_popescu;got out in the night, put the boer flag on the local fort, filled a cannon with a blank shot and a long fuse and well... 921875;1415994980;mircea_popescu;gave the locals a start. 921876;1415994995;asciilifeform;ahaha 921877;1415995055;Adlai;BingoBoingo: "and the later is simply for hire" << what's "the later"? 921878;1415995109;BingoBoingo;Adlai: The professional Derps 921879;1415995120;BingoBoingo;People who enjoy Buterin's waterfall 921880;1415995185;BingoBoingo;ALong with the sort of marketing shill who just wants a check and will endorse any idiocy 921881;1415995466;BingoBoingo;;;bc,stats 921882;1415995469;gribble;Current Blocks: 330024 | Current Difficulty: 39603666252.418 | Next Difficulty At Block: 330623 | Next Difficulty In: 599 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 4 days, 1 hour, 47 minutes, and 45 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 40043955200.5 | Estimated Percent Change: 1.11174 921883;1415995757;Adlai;!s cryptolocker usg 921884;1415995758;assbot;1 results for 'cryptolocker usg' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=cryptolocker+usg 921885;1415995811;Adlai;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-07-2014#756099 << who's to say that isn't cryptolocker itself? 921886;1415995811;assbot;Logged on 15-07-2014 02:55:38; asciilifeform: 'swamp donkey' << lol! apparently a usg version of 'cryptolocker' 921887;1415995851;*;Adlai just had a conversation with assbot 921888;1415996252;asciilifeform;Adlai: you must remember, we have not yet escalated to 'full throttle.' 921889;1415996277;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 88400 @ 0.00042788 = 37.8246 BTC [-] {3} 921890;1415996280;asciilifeform;Adlai: there will come the day when winblows users dumb enough to run hotwallet will find their coin magicked away. 921891;1415996307;mircea_popescu;this has been reported sporadically since 2012 921892;1415996317;mircea_popescu;iirc that's when the first windows wallet stealer trojan was reported. 921893;1415996318;asciilifeform;Adlai: but today is not that day. and when it comes, it will be coated in enough parallel construction to kill a herd of elephants. 921894;1415996326;mircea_popescu;back then it was a big deal, wallets being unencrypted. 921895;1415996327;Adlai;ssh, you're leaking ideas to the fbi agents on the line 921896;1415996357;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: speaking not of wallet stealing trojan, but of 'xxxx coin wandered off with no plausible explanation, forensic showed nothing untoward' 921897;1415996374;asciilifeform;i.e. winblows is the ultimate trojan per se. 921898;1415996382;Adlai;how can you vanish coins without leaving a forensic trail? 921899;1415996384;mircea_popescu;i dunno how win forensics work 921900;1415996404;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: when anyone bothers - very laboriously, largely manually-cranked. 921901;1415996442;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: a skilled turdmeister (especially of the privvy-to-microshit-remote-orifice variety) will leave nothing to find. 921902;1415996461;mircea_popescu;so then there's nothing remarkable here. 921903;1415996476;Adlai;also, a skilled thief would target other stacks after/while people start leaving the brokenest one 921904;1415996487;asciilifeform;well the only remarkable thing is that, with the profusion of winblows users, coins are not yet wandering off into usg wallets en masse. 921905;1415996538;asciilifeform;i inevitably picture a hunter, trying to avoid 'spooking' the birds 921906;1415996550;asciilifeform;inching closer, wants to bag more than one. 921907;1415996602;asciilifeform;i predict that when the hunter 'shoots', it will be 'spun' to look like a 'protocol' (or even crypto) break, of one kind or another 921908;1415996616;asciilifeform;with the inevitable shitgnome 'fixes' brought out 921909;1415996722;asciilifeform;while lies, of the 'false flag' variety, may not be the only tool in the buggers' toolbox - it is certainly their favourite. and perhaps the sharpest. 921910;1415996732;mircea_popescu; well the only remarkable thing is that, with the profusion of winblows users, coins are not yet wandering off into usg wallets en masse. <<< reddit is not, contrary to what it tells itself, relevant to bitcoin 921911;1415996746;mircea_popescu;99% of bitcoin users, according to what people think, use windows. 921912;1415996753;mircea_popescu;99% of bitcoin belongs to the remaining 1% 921913;1415996766;asciilifeform;if only winblows were confined to some magical reddit kingdom, where all stupid folks live. 921914;1415996794;mircea_popescu;in short, there's a very deep valley between "windows user who thinks himself into bitcoin because he recognises the term" and "bitcoin user". 921915;1415996817;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform jeffidiocy manages to keep idiots with benefits away from bitcoin altogether. 921916;1415996821;*;asciilifeform has no data on the present state of the btc musical chairs landscape and cannot say 921917;1415996829;mircea_popescu;i tell you, the anthropology of this thing has been an endless source of fascination to me 921918;1415996850;mircea_popescu;it's almost like watching a cell react in an infection, all sorts of bizarro mechanisms that you don't even dare declare exist seem to work in werido ways. 921919;1415996879;asciilifeform;likely - we will get to watch (or, feel on skin...) all of the available mechanisms. 921920;1415996887;mircea_popescu;maybe. doubt it. 921921;1415996996;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: jeffidiocy << there we go. herr lightoller's, too. 921922;1415997000;asciilifeform;'best practices of the sea.' 921923;1415997022;mircea_popescu;yeah, but see that it actually "serves", depending how you put the goals on the table 921924;1415997269;mircea_popescu;anyway, to quote a bronx tale : 921925;1415997270;mircea_popescu;Come over here. Sit next to me. You must be pretty upset after the Yankees lost. 921926;1415997270;mircea_popescu;Bill Mazeroski, I hate him. He made Mickey Mantle cry. The papers said the Mick cried. 921927;1415997270;mircea_popescu;Mickey Mantle? That's what you're upset about? Mantle makes $ a year. How much does your father make? 921928;1415997270;mircea_popescu;I don't know. 921929;1415997272;mircea_popescu;You don't know. If your dad needs money, go ask Mickey Mantle. See what happens. Mickey Mantle don't care about you. Why care about him? Nobody cares. 921930;1415997291;mircea_popescu;the way people today construct their mental representations of groups and belonging is nothing short of mindblowing. 921931;1415997322;mircea_popescu;i mean, it used to be the case for children. but biological adults today are psychologically infantile, and this is by very far the most obvious effect. 921932;1415997332;xanthyos;it's tribal imprinting 921933;1415997341;mircea_popescu;what's that mean ? 921934;1415997350;asciilifeform;xanthyos: actual 'tribal' dynamics are 2-way. 921935;1415997357;xanthyos;without strong tribes or famlies to take these cues from they'll seek it elsewhere 921936;1415997360;mircea_popescu;at least in our classical understanding thereof. 921937;1415997374;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 41253 @ 0.00042986 = 17.733 BTC [+] {2} 921938;1415997374;mircea_popescu;xanthyos the bizarre part is that they somehow manage to seek it in imagination. 921939;1415997439;mircea_popescu;pretty much the only tech left that works in the english speaking world is the tech that manipulates this at first view pathological "one way belonging" thing. 921940;1415997450;mircea_popescu;i guess we could call it "marketing" for lack of terminology. 921941;1415997484;mircea_popescu;http://trilema.com/2013/youre-the-guy-who-wasnt-good-enough-to-sling-dope/ << amusingly enough, it's mostly NOT government issue. 921942;1415997484;assbot;“You’re the guy who wasn’t good enough to sling dope.” pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. 921943;1415997494;mircea_popescu;in fact, the usg seems moreover its prey than anything. 921944;1415997518;xanthyos;i've seen a video of a duck nursing from a cat because its own mother was gone. 921945;1415997526;asciilifeform;duck!?!?! 921946;1415997531;assbot;Last 2 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/11ARGS0.txt ) 921947;1415997531;asciilifeform;!b 2 921948;1415997542;*;asciilifeform goes out to shop for duck milk 921949;1415997547;xanthyos;if you can convince your customer that you can literally breastfeed them they'll trust you forever 921950;1415997568;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform how do you think they make duck tape ? 921951;1415997577;mircea_popescu;polymerized duck galactose. 921952;1415997589;xanthyos;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YlqTHhdCQko 921953;1415997589;assbot;Cat nurses Ducklings - YouTube 921954;1415997593;*;asciilifeform remembers very fine soviet chocolates 'bird's milk' 921955;1415997625;mircea_popescu;romania has "chicken milk", http://www.culinar.ro/retete/dulciuri/creme/lapte-de-pasare-iese-sigur/46/2/6925/ 921956;1415997626;assbot;Lapte de pasare (iese sigur) - Culinar.ro 921957;1415997648;xanthyos;it's sad when they actually seek out mickey mantle to get reciprocation though 921958;1415997680;undata;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Juggalo << the "need to belong" 921959;1415997682;assbot;Juggalo - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia 921960;1415997686;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: this may actually be the very same filling as in 'bird's milk' 921961;1415997694;mircea_popescu;prolly. 921962;1415997709;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%9F%D1%82%D0%B8%D1%87%D1%8C%D0%B5_%D0%BC%D0%BE%D0%BB%D0%BE%D0%BA%D0%BE_(%D0%BA%D1%83%D0%BB%D0%B8%D0%BD%D0%B0%D1%80%D0%B8%D1%8F) 921963;1415997710;assbot;Птичье молоко (кулинария) — Википедия 921964;1415997755;mats_cd03;http://thestack.com/chakravarty-tor-traffic-analysis-141114 via /. 921965;1415997760;mircea_popescu;lol your percentile language 921966;1415997767;asciilifeform;https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ptasie_mleczko << apparently englisch exists 921967;1415997769;assbot;Ptasie mleczko - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia 921968;1415997769;mircea_popescu;ow shit that LOOKS like excellent chocolate. 921969;1415997779;mircea_popescu;exactly the right sheen. damn you stanislav! 921970;1415997794;asciilifeform;incidentally i get these in usa. though no idea for how much longer. 921971;1415997800;asciilifeform;afaik poroshenko runs the factory. 921972;1415997835;undata;the juggalo thing is a bizarre example of marketing turning into some weird semblance of a 2-way belonging 921973;1415997840;asciilifeform;(or perhaps not. i do know he's corralled a good fraction of the 'russian' confections business) 921974;1415997857;mircea_popescu;;;ud juggalo 921975;1415997858;gribble;http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=juggalo | juggalo. For the most part, an uneducated, pathetic excuse for a human being who listens to the group ICP who are bold enough to actually consider themselves ... 921976;1415997911;undata;mircea_popescu: american white trash who literally dress like clowns 921977;1415997918;TomServo;Here's a comical introduction to Juggalos for you: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ulGaxBPk2jI&list=UUfR7gRIYmZbGjhhrRJCwpmw 921978;1415997918;assbot;Joe Goes JUGGALO - YouTube 921979;1415997920;undata;they apparently have a whole religion 921980;1415997927;mircea_popescu;some sort of insane clown o nm that's what icp means huh 921981;1415997936;asciilifeform;mats_cd03: iirc the method was published before, some months ago 921982;1415997937;TomServo;they follow icp, yes 921983;1415997937;mircea_popescu;sorta glam-punk offshot thing 921984;1415997942;asciilifeform;mats_cd03: made no major splash, for some reason 921985;1415998037;asciilifeform;mats_cd03: traffic analysis is easy, cheap, fun. consider analogy of the children's game 'sea battle.' 921986;1415998045;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 32839 @ 0.00042556 = 13.975 BTC [-] {2} 921987;1415998054;mircea_popescu;dude, topless chicks being a big deal, you already know you must be in ameristan 921988;1415998068;mircea_popescu;im not even sure whats more ridiculous, the rednecks or the mainstream. 921989;1415998070;asciilifeform;or how one might determine the electrical circuits in an old house (by unscrewing breakers at random) 921990;1415998107;cazalla;mircea_popescu: cazalla http://www.dailykos.com/story/2014/11/13/1344589/-Bitcoin-may-be-worth-1-million-says-Pal <<< great and informative article! 921991;1415998108;assbot;Bitcoin may be worth $1 million; says Pal 921992;1415998127;mircea_popescu;cazalla lol they di what they can 921993;1415998252;mats_cd03;asciilifeform: i'm surprised it took this long. its been alive. what. 10+ years? 921994;1415998291;mats_cd03;not the doing of the analysis, but dissemination of results 921995;1415998324;asciilifeform;mats_cd03: they print now, not wishing to risk obsolescence 921996;1415998327;mircea_popescu;mats_cd03 it didn't take this long, that tor was routinely compromised was an open secret. 921997;1415998340;mircea_popescu;course, when i said so last year the derps went on derping, but why would the derps count here. 921998;1415998412;*;asciilifeform found it very surprising that tor survived as a going concern after 'heartbleed' 921999;1415998431;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform something tells me i won't be getting the "mp's blog, first place to announce tor is shit, a year or so ago" all over the "tech" "press". just like i didn't get the "mp forces wikileaks to release unedited cables by publishing the romanian subset" a few years back 922000;1415998464;mircea_popescu;because why report, right, there's all these fucktards that need to wonder "what mainstream nobody agrees with mp", as if that's the fucking criteria nao, we vote for knowledge. 922001;1415998474;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=04-06-2014#700916 922002;1415998474;assbot;Logged on 04-06-2014 00:08:26; asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: the buggers' traditional defense is to pretend that the event was a non-event - or, if this is impractical, to continue living in an imaginary world where they 'scooped' the story first, and all of the 'unsanctioned' discussion never happened. 922003;1415998514;mircea_popescu;myeah. and this matters, because the non-wot world is like, totally a world and anything, and what happens outside of b-a ctually happens, and non-notarized documents actually carry weight and everything 922004;1415998524;mircea_popescu;trust teh power of dreamz! 922005;1415998532;asciilifeform;'we have always been at war with [east|eur]asia.' 922006;1415998589;mircea_popescu;anyway, this is the best of all worlds, tbh. i'd get really pissy in short order if reddit actually knew what's what 922007;1415998613;mircea_popescu;and i couldn't get out of bed without 5000 "hey mp, what do you think of this toaster" "is bitcoin going up i must know because of my 0.05 btcent investment!" 922008;1415998619;asciilifeform;reddit, as i understand, is a world of 'class 3' learners - 'must piss on electric fence himself' 922009;1415998641;mircea_popescu;if this is true, how did they come to the conclusion women dislike being raped ? 922010;1415998647;mircea_popescu;not that it's false, but they're not women. so... how ? 922011;1415998697;asciilifeform;not clear that these folks have an actual take on the subject. parroting usg religion - yes. 922012;1415998706;mircea_popescu;that's learning no ? 922013;1415998714;asciilifeform;but on the subject of, e.g., tor, they have both words and deeds. 922014;1415998722;asciilifeform;and will end up learning from the electric fence. 922015;1415998728;mircea_popescu;very much doubt it. 922016;1415998730;asciilifeform;are, in fact, already being taught by it 922017;1415998740;mircea_popescu;imo, they're 4th level learners. will not learn from thought ; nor from other 922018;1415998744;mircea_popescu;s experience, nor from their own. 922019;1415998755;asciilifeform;'the hunchback will be straightened by his grave.' 922020;1415998757;mircea_popescu;will ONLY learn from fiction, inasmuch as they find a way to link it to their own fiction. 922021;1415998792;mircea_popescu;basically, to teach a muppet something you must construct a literary work which jives with the preexisting dreamworld he inhabits 922022;1415998792;nubbins`;closed encounters of the 4th kind 922023;1415998799;mircea_popescu;which is how they all "learned" all about mordor. 922024;1415998850;asciilifeform;it does happen that 'fanons' conflict, though. 922025;1415998863;mircea_popescu;they don't know how to compute whether x option ios better than y option in any situation, but they do know you don't just walk into mordor 922026;1415998883;mircea_popescu;of course it does, but so ? energy states in a semiconductor also conflict, in the abstract 922027;1415998887;mircea_popescu;what's that do for any cell ? 922028;1415998898;asciilifeform;somebody had an essay on 'knowledge vs. suggestively-named strings' 922029;1415998905;mircea_popescu;where ? 922030;1415998949;asciilifeform;http://home.engineering.iastate.edu/~alexs/classes/2011_Spring_585X/readings/02_Principles/AI_Meets_Natural_Stupidity.pdf 922031;1415998952;asciilifeform;ancient scan. 922032;1415998958;asciilifeform;not readily deturdifiable. 922033;1415998975;asciilifeform;but is an iconic cult-classic (mcdermott, 1976) 922034;1415999015;mircea_popescu;lmao the title promises 922035;1415999040;asciilifeform;it's an epic paper, that not merely rained but pissed on the exuberant 'ai' parade of the '70s academe. 922036;1415999043;nubbins`;skim milk is rotten 922037;1415999047;nubbins`;it's fucking grey 922038;1415999111;mircea_popescu;ew 922039;1415999143;asciilifeform;'programs to a great degree are problems rather than solutions. If a researcher tries to write an "understanding" program, it isn't because he has thought of a better way of implementing this well-understood task, but because he thinks he can come closer to writing the implementation. If he calls the main loop of his program "UNDERSTAND ', he is (until proven innocent) merely begging the question. He may mislea 922040;1415999143;asciilifeform;d a lot of people, most prominently himself, and enrage a lot of others.' 922041;1415999273;mircea_popescu;lol 922042;1415999394;asciilifeform;weizenbaum, author of iconic 'eliza', also understood how little a mechanism really needs to 'understand' in order to give an idiot the illusion of 'understanding.' 922043;1415999411;asciilifeform;(not related to above, but a contemporary) 922044;1415999435;mircea_popescu;'It follows that he cannot know that certain people at certain times do not understand in Parry-or Eliza-like ways. That is to say, he has no way of knowing that we do not ourselves sometimes function by means of "clever tricks".' actually, i will go as far as to say that it is always certainly the case understanding happens through "clever tricks" 922045;1415999447;mircea_popescu;it is NEVER the case anyone ever understood anything whatsoever in any case at any point in human history 922046;1415999454;mircea_popescu;[self]delusion to the contrary notwithstanding. 922047;1415999456;asciilifeform;he is thinking of another variety of clever tricks. 922048;1415999467;asciilifeform;the mechanized stage magic of eliza 922049;1415999467;mircea_popescu;is he ? 922050;1415999473;mircea_popescu;that's exactly what i mean. 922051;1415999508;asciilifeform;i'd have to disagree that 'understand' is a null-word. 922052;1415999519;mircea_popescu;go right ahead, but what else do you bring ? 922053;1415999541;asciilifeform;people have never been seen to, e.g., rotate themselves in 4th d. and end up rechiralled. but they do occasionally understand things. 922054;1415999569;asciilifeform;at least, beyond 'eliza' level. 922055;1415999599;mircea_popescu;let us not discuss this in terms of understanding, something we care about. let us instead discuss in terms of love, something we don't care about. 922056;1415999624;asciilifeform;? 922057;1415999626;mircea_popescu;so : your idea of understanding would be in fact "transformative love". ie, it'd give you the ability to turn, if not marble into virgin, at least whore into housewife. 922058;1415999631;mircea_popescu;dja think this was ever displayed ? 922059;1415999651;*;asciilifeform must confess he is rather puzzled at this point 922060;1415999657;mircea_popescu;whyssat ? 922061;1415999714;asciilifeform;well, if i had to give an example of 'understanding', involving 'transformation', i'd offer the transformation of pebbles on a beach (original 'calculation') into well, calculation, and mathematics, and, ..., nukes. 922062;1415999733;mircea_popescu;nah. 922063;1415999742;asciilifeform;wide net, but somewhere in it there flops a fish, 'understanding' 922064;1415999767;undata;one of you is using understand in a much stricter sense than the other. 922065;1415999771;mircea_popescu;the sort of understanding you propose is a relationship between mind and object that's transcendental. the ready comparison is the supposed transcendental relation between man and woman. 922066;1415999786;mircea_popescu;outside of this, all that's left is eliza-understanding. 922067;1415999816;mircea_popescu;and, obviously, fucking. ie, a manipulation of the subject according to the rules of the reality it inhabits. 922068;1415999824;mircea_popescu;what eliza does, what no strings attached sex is. 922069;1415999835;mircea_popescu;if you recognise a naive romanticism in one field, the other should also be obvious. 922070;1415999841;mircea_popescu;all women are whores and all thinkers are eliza. 922071;1415999856;asciilifeform;all microscopes are hammers. 922072;1415999866;nubbins`;all scarves are farts 922073;1415999868;mircea_popescu;the ability of whores to distinguish themselves from "those cheap streetwalkers" is not that important globally. 922074;1415999891;mircea_popescu;having more to do with ego and stress than anything 922075;1415999903;undata;"modeling is by definition incomplete" ? 922076;1415999922;mircea_popescu;undata if you will. asciilifeform yes, essentially, which is why the microscope hammer thing never persuaded me. 922077;1415999954;*;asciilifeform is firmly persuaded that every microscope is a hammer. however, not every hammer is a microscope, demonstrably. and therein lies the boojum. 922078;1415999983;mircea_popescu;not every hammer is a microscope TO YOU 922079;1415999998;mircea_popescu;not every whore is a partner you'd entertain, but that has little to do with the principles involved. 922080;1416000040;asciilifeform;the principle involved, i must confess, escapes me 922081;1416000051;mircea_popescu;let's approach on a different tack. 922082;1416000056;asciilifeform;and i'm not altogether certain that i'd profit from grasping it 922083;1416000069;mircea_popescu;what is the method through which i could write software that distinguishes between actual science and global-warming-science ? 922084;1416000105;asciilifeform;even the elixir of distinguishing cat from dog by mechanical means, so far escapes programmers. 922085;1416000117;asciilifeform;who would even dare to ask about sciences. 922086;1416000133;mircea_popescu;well, the reason might be that there couldn't be such a thing. there's nothing that makes "good science" better than a pile of shanonized papers. 922087;1416000159;mircea_popescu;you can test them, of course, but this is practically speaking aesthetics. 922088;1416000168;asciilifeform;aha i see where this is going. 922089;1416000196;mircea_popescu;so, yeah. all thinkers are eliza, the distinguishing among elizas, like among whores, purely an application of one's own aesthetic preference. 922090;1416000215;nubbins`;no true eliza would offer such an argument 922091;1416000221;asciilifeform;'don't worry, sizzling in electric chair, ohm's law is a lie' 922092;1416000242;asciilifeform;the difference between the flesh before and after, 'aesthetic preference' 922093;1416000244;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform are you a current dreaming it's frying a butterfgly etc 922094;1416000250;nubbins`;and somewhere, somewhen, the sound of keys clacking on a keyboard was heard 922095;1416000251;asciilifeform;l0l 922096;1416000263;nubbins`;ha 922097;1416000272;undata;"gravity" holds the moon to the earth 922098;1416000295;nubbins`;_/ -_- _/ 922099;1416000301;mircea_popescu;undata the argument mind, isn't that some eliza-trees don't make much better looking reality-clothes than others. 922100;1416000312;mircea_popescu;the argument is whether they're actually different. 922101;1416000347;mircea_popescu;if one function returns rnd(0,15) and the other rnd(20,42) it is easy to establish which returns the larger number, 922102;1416000354;mircea_popescu;but that doesn't mean they're not the same damned function. 922103;1416000368;asciilifeform;afaik western traditions of sophistry are not even the most die-hard adherents of this idea. in some variants of islam, they actually believe that 'if the circuit works, it was will of allah' and nothing more 922104;1416000375;mircea_popescu;and the brain is in no sense and to no degree a logic processing machine. 922105;1416000378;nubbins`;<+mircea_popescu> the argument is whether they're actually different. <<< in the sense that each game of wol is actually different 922106;1416000381;asciilifeform;and today perhaps the allmighty favours ohm's law, tomorrow - not 922107;1416000385;mircea_popescu;nor, ironically, are actual logic processing machines all that intelligent. 922108;1416000387;mircea_popescu;to us at least. 922109;1416000395;mircea_popescu;nubbins` quite. 922110;1416000433;asciilifeform;brain is logic machine like brick is flying machine. 922111;1416000438;mircea_popescu;pretty much yeah. 922112;1416000444;mircea_popescu;"it can be made to" 922113;1416000460;asciilifeform;in precisely that way. 922114;1416000487;undata;mircea_popescu: I'm still chewing on "different" how? 922115;1416000488;nubbins`;relevant https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VxKrskPyBuI 922116;1416000489;assbot;TripTank - Stoned Ape Theory - YouTube 922117;1416000498;mircea_popescu;not that any of these subtle considerations have any sort of practical effect or importance, 922118;1416000507;mircea_popescu;but since the article spoke of "substance" in thought... well... 922119;1416000541;mircea_popescu;there's no substance to thought. 922120;1416000578;undata;nubbins`: flashback to 19, tripping like hell, trying to find a firm thought to stand upon 922121;1416000587;asciilifeform;the idea in the article can (and has) been rephrased like this. if you remove all the 'suggestively-named strings' like 'understand' - and replace with 'gensyms' - e.g., 100324 - does the resulting machine still do or even appear to do anything of interest? 922122;1416000601;nubbins`;undata terrorizing realization that no such thing exists, etc 922123;1416000608;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform but my point is that this argument misses the very point of what thought is. 922124;1416000614;undata;nubbins`: I started laughing my ass off and gave up 922125;1416000617;mircea_popescu;that's what thought is, entirely, all the time : suggestively named strings. 922126;1416000626;asciilifeform;say, if it was able to distinguish cat from dog, and now operates an automated dogcatcher, prior to the renaming of strings, and still can - there was 'substance.' 922127;1416000641;mircea_popescu;to the code. 922128;1416000677;mircea_popescu;ok, let me phrase it thus : 922129;1416000730;mircea_popescu;mp's lemma of artificial intelligence requires any computer program that exhibits in fact ai to depend in its functioning on the naming of its functions, and that self-metaprogramming be a part of its working. 922130;1416000742;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: remember the self-evolving fpga? 922131;1416000754;mircea_popescu;ok, great example. 922132;1416000758;asciilifeform;the one where not a single thing about the circuit made sense to the human dissector 922133;1416000764;mircea_popescu;that thing IS intelligent, just like me and you and the dragonfly. 922134;1416000764;asciilifeform;but for the fact that it worked. 922135;1416000773;asciilifeform;where are the namings? 922136;1416000783;mircea_popescu;how would i know ? 922137;1416000798;asciilifeform;we might be speaking of different things then, re: 'names' 922138;1416000808;mircea_popescu;ok, let's re-rephrase : 922139;1416000825;mircea_popescu;any computer program of which identifiable components can be unambiguously named is not capable of displaying AI. 922140;1416000835;asciilifeform;what 'ai and stupidity' was about, was an actual pestilence of pseudoscience, where folks convinced themselves and others that they were accomplishing 'great things' while really pulling each other's dicks in a most stultifying way 922141;1416000868;mircea_popescu;o for sure, im not even getting into the point of the article. i just went on a tangent for objection reasons, like i do. 922142;1416000876;asciilifeform;ahahaha. 922143;1416000882;*;undata tries to create an arbitrary symbol in his mind 922144;1416000896;asciilifeform;;;google gensym 922145;1416000897;gribble;Gensym | Real-Time Management of Mission Critical Systems: ; Product | Gensym: ; Gensym G2 2011 EDITIONS – Product Detail | Gensym: 922146;1416000900;undata;Core dumped. 922147;1416000902;asciilifeform;damn, sp4mz0rs 922148;1416000912;asciilifeform;;;google gensym common lisp 922149;1416000912;gribble;GENSYMs - Common Lisp HyperSpec (TM): ; Macros: Defining Your Own - gigamonkeys: ; hygiene-versus-gensym - Community-Scheme-Wiki: 922150;1416000934;asciilifeform;^ best representation of the concept i know of 922151;1416000964;asciilifeform;creates a symbol with no meaning other than identity (cannot add, subtract it, it only has a name and the only permitted operation is determination of identity) 922152;1416000989;asciilifeform;and, well, assignment 922153;1416000998;undata;hm 922154;1416001000;mircea_popescu;i don't think that violates my restatement. 922155;1416001025;asciilifeform;it's a humble tool, no ai to it at all 922156;1416001038;asciilifeform;a 'nut' or 'bolt' that i use daily. 922157;1416001059;mircea_popescu;well yeah but if it did violate restatement then either i'm wrong or no ai can be made to run on lisp machine. 922158;1416001063;asciilifeform;(gensym) just coughs up a guaranteed-unique object. 922159;1416001078;mircea_popescu;is this provable to actually work all the time ? 922160;1416001084;asciilifeform;until exhausted memory. 922161;1416001096;mircea_popescu;hm 922162;1416001100;asciilifeform;typically implemented using a counter 922163;1416001110;mircea_popescu;that smashes eventually no ? 922164;1416001123;asciilifeform;common lisp numeric tower is a bignum tower 922165;1416001134;*;mircea_popescu ponders. 922166;1416001147;asciilifeform;so, in principle, if the machine were to do nothing but cough up 'gensyms' for a few millenia, you will exhaust memory. 922167;1416001161;asciilifeform;depending on how quickly you can increment 922168;1416001166;asciilifeform;(and how long machine lasts) 922169;1416001186;mircea_popescu;i superficially suspect this discussion proves there can never be turing ai., 922170;1416001193;mircea_popescu;lisp machine being turing equivalent 922171;1416001196;asciilifeform;(of course, a gensym, if not garbage collected, also occupies a cell of memory) 922172;1416001251;asciilifeform;the 'super-turing' machine remains a mystical unicorn. 922173;1416001262;mircea_popescu;myeah 922174;1416001263;asciilifeform;not that it has been shown not to exist, but has about the same status as 'god' 922175;1416001285;asciilifeform;that is, a favourite preoccupation of crackpots of all stripes, and from the whole spectrum of scientific literacy - but no results. 922176;1416001328;mircea_popescu;well, the only way to build one may be to first build a planet, then let cnc evolve. 922177;1416001340;mircea_popescu;cns* 922178;1416001379;asciilifeform;what bothers me most is that most of the 'askers' have no idea what they actually want. 922179;1416001385;asciilifeform;(from a hypothetical 'ai') 922180;1416001400;asciilifeform;mechanical best friend? 922181;1416001479;mircea_popescu;a good example would be, a spontaneous determination to build itself a house, 922182;1416001486;mircea_popescu;while no identifiable part of the code deals with housebuilding. 922183;1416001527;asciilifeform;not necessarily disputing the hypothesis - but why the preoccupation with non-identifiable parts? 922184;1416001531;mircea_popescu;if the machine ends up housed within a house of its own making at the end of a process which was not either understood or its endpoint predictable by observers, well... iut;'s intelligent. 922185;1416001571;asciilifeform;see, we can take this into a place you probably did not intend to go: 922186;1416001576;asciilifeform;consider 'langton's ant.' 922187;1416001577;mircea_popescu;lets see! 922188;1416001577;asciilifeform;http://mathworld.wolfram.com/LangtonsAnt.html 922189;1416001578;assbot;Langton's Ant -- from Wolfram MathWorld 922190;1416001590;asciilifeform;very simple rules (described on linked article) 922191;1416001597;asciilifeform;you can write him yourself and try. 922192;1416001597;mircea_popescu;see, that "intend to go" is exactly why the preoccupation with non identifiability. 922193;1416001602;mircea_popescu;fuckall cares what i intend. 922194;1416001606;asciilifeform;well think to the end. 922195;1416001613;nubbins`;<+mircea_popescu> if the machine ends up housed within a house of its own making at the end of a process which was not either understood or its endpoint predictable by observers, well... iut;'s intelligent. <<< mis lados!! 922196;1416001621;asciilifeform;what we know is that everyone who ever tried langton's ant, notices that he always 'builds a road' 922197;1416001631;asciilifeform;no matter what is on the playing field at the beginning 922198;1416001639;asciilifeform;or what 'bombs' (to use 'war of life' terminology) you drop. 922199;1416001644;asciilifeform;sooner or later - he builds it. 922200;1416001656;asciilifeform;could be after thousands of moves. 922201;1416001667;mircea_popescu;okay. 922202;1416001669;asciilifeform;no one has proven anything, afaik, of substance, about whether the ant will always build the road. 922203;1416001682;asciilifeform;but experimentally no one has (yet) found counter-example. 922204;1416001687;mircea_popescu;so your argument is that ant meets my definition of ai ? 922205;1416001693;asciilifeform;well, that part. 922206;1416001699;asciilifeform;yes. 922207;1416001705;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13889 @ 0.0004217 = 5.857 BTC [-] 922208;1416001707;mircea_popescu;how do you identify a highway as a house ? 922209;1416001720;asciilifeform;same way you identify a house as a house. 922210;1416001726;mircea_popescu;say if you showed this process to 1k randomly selected 5 yos, would they say "it built itself a house" ? 922211;1416001741;asciilifeform;who am i to say that a repeating cycle of moves is not 'house' for the automaton. 922212;1416001747;nubbins`;^ 922213;1416001749;mircea_popescu;to us. 922214;1416001753;mircea_popescu;not to it. that's the point. to us. 922215;1416001753;asciilifeform;the way that my 4 walls are a repeating cycle of moves to me. 922216;1416001768;mircea_popescu;*we* have to recognise what it does. 922217;1416001796;asciilifeform;this goes back to my complaint about the ai wishers. they aren't asking for 'intelligence', just a mechanical but recognizable version of themselves 922218;1416001803;asciilifeform;or, at least, what they think of as themselves. 922219;1416001824;mircea_popescu;well, this definition is, "when you recognise what's being done, but neither why nor how, you're confronted with intelligence" 922220;1416001866;undata;seems a lot that passes for human intelligence is driven by autonomous processes evolution carved into us, just like the ant 922221;1416001870;mircea_popescu;this is counterintuitive, because we're very ethnicallyclose, so to speak, 922222;1416001872;nubbins`;recognize is an overly broad term for this discussion 922223;1416001872;asciilifeform;or with an entirely non-interactive and ultimately easily described physical system that you simply don't grasp yet. 922224;1416001880;mircea_popescu;so we eliza-recognise what WE do on the grounds of culture and convention 922225;1416001890;mircea_popescu;when intelligences meet without that basis, superamazement ensues. 922226;1416001907;undata;when two of those ants hit each other, do they combine their "houses"? 922227;1416001913;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform no, see, it's not a black box. 922228;1416001917;*;nubbins` recalls the (clarke?) short story about an intelligent electrical field 922229;1416001921;Adlai;excellent turminology, this! http://mathworld.wolfram.com/Turmite.html 922230;1416001922;assbot;Turmite -- from Wolfram MathWorld 922231;1416001927;asciilifeform;this is an ancient argument - 'the sea is very intelligent but we just aren't protocol compatible and can't see that it's even alive' 922232;1416001948;mircea_popescu; any computer program of which identifiable components can be unambiguously named is not capable of displaying AI. << this obviously requires you to be allowed under the hood. 922233;1416001950;asciilifeform;i have limited patience for it because of the sheer lack of predictive power. 922234;1416001956;mircea_popescu;otherwise windows is ai for crying out loud. 922235;1416001957;undata;nubbins`: Greg Egan did one with intelligent turbulence 922236;1416001965;nubbins`;asciilifeform unfortunately the sea won't be seen as alive until after it's dead D: 922237;1416001966;asciilifeform;undata: yes i recall that one. 'dust.' 922238;1416001994;mircea_popescu;well it all started with you asking for a definition of ai. 922239;1416001996;nubbins`;i recall reading a young adult novel about intelligent crystals 922240;1416002003;nubbins`;suspended in fluid iirc 922241;1416002009;nubbins`;one of those "my teacher is an alien" type ones 922242;1416002028;asciilifeform;undata: in fact, i recall that he had a character who is being marched to a mafia execution, and offered a magic pill before being shot. the pill wakes him up to the idea that his mind is already being simulated on a 'computer' made of space dust, somewhere, if only 'interpreted correctly' 922243;1416002035;Adlai;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=14-11-2014#922181 << so do you count an entire beehive/anthill as intelligent, but not any single member individually? 922244;1416002035;assbot;Logged on 14-11-2014 21:44:39; mircea_popescu: a good example would be, a spontaneous determination to build itself a house, 922245;1416002052;mircea_popescu;Adlai yes, actually. 922246;1416002066;mircea_popescu;perhaps except for the queen, but that's an endless discussion. 922247;1416002222;mircea_popescu;<asciilifeform> or with an entirely non-interactive and ultimately easily described physical system that you simply don't grasp yet. << incidentally, the brain seems to fit this quite exactly. 922248;1416002249;nubbins`;i know people claim that there's an upper bound on the complexity that can form in a cellular-automaton-type system with simple rules 922249;1416002262;Adlai;you could roughly equate the queen of an ant colony to a human brain's https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reticular_formation#Clinical_significance ? 922250;1416002264;assbot;Reticular formation - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia 922251;1416002264;nubbins`;but i feel like the upper bound is significantly higher than people realize 922252;1416002287;mircea_popescu;Adlai maybe, but i'm very wary of recent brainscience. 922253;1416002290;asciilifeform;nubbins`: none of the claims, for whatever measure of 'complexity', amount to anything more than farts in the wind. 922254;1416002303;Adlai;which is why I linked to clinical examples, rather than speculation 922255;1416002306;asciilifeform;nubbins`: see the discussion last year of the 'entropy' of the digits of 'pi'. 922256;1416002311;asciilifeform;they max out every known measure 922257;1416002313;asciilifeform;(save for one.) 922258;1416002314;Adlai;would the same happen to an ant colony if you kidnapped the queen? 922259;1416002334;asciilifeform;and at the same time, the digits can be spat out by a very simple mechanism. 922260;1416002342;nubbins`;asciilifeform i fell into a black hole halfway through my cs/math joint major on points like these 922261;1416002345;asciilifeform;(see bailey borwein plouffe.) 922262;1416002364;mircea_popescu;Adlai generally most ant colonies have emergency backups always ready 922263;1416002374;mircea_popescu;if queen dies newborn queen emerges almost immediately. 922264;1416002390;mircea_popescu;some collapse tho, for various reasons 922265;1416002398;asciilifeform;this is no more surprising than skin on your finger regrowing. 922266;1416002403;mircea_popescu;right 922267;1416002404;Adlai;in humans neurons, queen damage is recoverable, with assistance from other colonies 922268;1416002426;mircea_popescu;well not really, neurons don't regrow like ants do. 922269;1416002448;asciilifeform;(there is some dispute re: whether and under what circumstances neurons regrow.) 922270;1416002463;Adlai;they could with external support. maybe not today, but it's easily possible within a few hundred years. 922271;1416002480;mircea_popescu;as opposed to moderately possible within a few thousand years ? 922272;1416002487;asciilifeform;lol! 922273;1416002487;mircea_popescu;how'dja compute those parameters ? 922274;1416002499;nubbins`;heh. 922275;1416002520;Adlai;well my initial random was "certain within decades", but then I toned it down a few orders of fartitude 922276;1416002530;mircea_popescu;lol 922277;1416002541;nubbins`;i was going to guess you used differential equations 922278;1416002547;Adlai;the exact timescale doesn't matter, it'll happen 922279;1416002567;mircea_popescu;you can feel it in your urine ? 922280;1416002609;Adlai;you don't think this is possible? 922281;1416002614;undata;What if certain things are just out of reach? Maybe the complete model is simple, but the approximations leading to it are larger than brains can handle? 922282;1416002644;nubbins`;see symbolic integration vs numerical methods 922283;1416002653;mircea_popescu;Adlai i have no idea, but i suspect your conviction is more informed by a faint whiff of a personal desire to survive/fear of death than anything else. 922284;1416002675;nubbins`;undata the complete model has maybe 2 rules tops 922285;1416002678;Adlai;of course. i'd say it's less a fear and more an underlying aspiration 922286;1416002684;undata;nubbins`: who knows; not I 922287;1416002729;nubbins`;nor anyone 922288;1416002735;mircea_popescu;Adlai why would you want to live forever already. 922289;1416002743;Adlai;to see what happens 922290;1416002744;mircea_popescu;haven't had enough of idiots yet ? 922291;1416002749;nubbins`;i suppose if you want to get cheeky it's (1) wiggle (2) if bumped, wiggle less 922292;1416002753;mircea_popescu;yeah, what is going to happen. i wonder. 922293;1416002777;nubbins`;we're just starting from a really really complex initial state ;D 922294;1416002778;asciilifeform;'live long enough to see the buggers off.' 922295;1416002783;asciilifeform;modest aspiration. 922296;1416002796;mircea_popescu;lol 922297;1416002842;Adlai;:-o "millions long for immortality who don't know what to do with themselves on a rainy Sunday afternoon" by the guy who died on a Sunday afternoon 922298;1416002856;asciilifeform;arse longa, cocka shorta. 922299;1416002860;asciilifeform;or what did mircea_popescu say. 922300;1416002867;undata;most of the things in my head, somebody/something else put there 922301;1416002870;Adlai;although I doubt LA was rainy in june 922302;1416002871;undata;not much lost when I die 922303;1416002883;undata;and I question the "most" 922304;1416002905;Adlai;http://youtu.be/NoAzpa1x7jU 922305;1416002906;assbot;Blade Runner - Final scene, "Tears in Rain" Soliloquy (HD) - YouTube 922306;1416002940;asciilifeform;'i have seen the ships on fire at the edge of orion...' 922307;1416002941;asciilifeform;that one/ 922308;1416002942;asciilifeform;. 922309;1416002949;mircea_popescu;undata i recall reading this east-side of cold war story (rdg it was i think ?), about the drink that bestowed immortality, and how obnoxious old people were, 700+ yo clinging on to life to "see who wins whatever games" 922310;1416002957;asciilifeform;probably one of the best known scenes in all of film. 922311;1416002964;mircea_popescu;in fairness, the commies were very well familiar with the problem of just-wont-fucking-die-already dinosaurs 922312;1416002971;mircea_popescu;something the us is getting more and more acquainted with. 922313;1416002973;asciilifeform;ahahaha lol yes 922314;1416002974;*;nubbins` ponders turmite / langton's ant steady states as analogies for steady states in human behaviour 922315;1416002979;asciilifeform;;;google gerontocracy 922316;1416002980;gribble;Gerontocracy - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: ; Gerontocracy - Merriam-Webster Online: ; Gerontocracy | Define Gerontocracy at Dictionary.com: 922317;1416002989;asciilifeform;wow no specifically soviet refs 922318;1416002989;Adlai;!s bill maher 922319;1416002990;assbot;6 results for 'bill maher' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=bill+maher 922320;1416002994;nubbins`;somewhere out there, a guy named langton is eating chips on the couch and watching seinfeld. again. 922321;1416002998;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform it's the normally sclerotic reaction of society to a dissolution of values 922322;1416003006;mircea_popescu;the east destroyed its value system "for socialism" 922323;1416003015;mircea_popescu;the west did too, for... well... "fairness" i guess, same bs. 922324;1416003034;mircea_popescu;only way to select people now is age, which explains disasters like nanci pelosi 922325;1416003069;Adlai;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-11-2014#919815 << what'll happen once old people live long enough to form their own tribes/societies? would this be some weird form of speciation? 922326;1416003069;assbot;Logged on 13-11-2014 14:50:21; xanthyos: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0kWaKhrpa28 922327;1416003137;undata;mircea_popescu: seems the hive would lose the ability to adapt without some mental youth elixir being invented alongside 922328;1416003160;mircea_popescu;but see... because of the "nonviolent principle" or w/e, it doesnt HAVE TO adapt anymore. 922329;1416003162;asciilifeform;Adlai: for that to work, different definition of 'old' would have to apply. 922330;1416003176;undata;mircea_popescu: and the lamb laid down with the lion 922331;1416003178;*;undata does big arms 922332;1416003187;asciilifeform;Adlai: you don't really see, e.g., 40 y.o. 'speciating' into own socity from 30 y.o 922333;1416003197;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform you don't get out much, do you ? 922334;1416003201;asciilifeform;nope. 922335;1416003203;nubbins`;heh 922336;1416003209;mircea_popescu;40yo male, with a buncha chicks. 20 yo male, in a group of derps. 922337;1416003216;mircea_popescu;quite fucking speciously speciated. 922338;1416003225;asciilifeform;opposite arrangement here 922339;1416003232;mircea_popescu;hence speciously :D 922340;1416003244;Adlai;and i'm wondering what will happen once we have a MUCH wider age range of active individuals 922341;1416003252;asciilifeform;http://cluborlov.blogspot.com/2012/09/le-vieillard-gros.html << obligatory mr. o on old age 922342;1416003253;assbot;ClubOrlov: Le Vieillard Gros 922343;1416003260;Adlai;which will certainly happen within decades! 922344;1416003266;mircea_popescu;no it wont 922345;1416003279;mircea_popescu;part of the reason there's going to be blood is that there's too many old people. 922346;1416003282;asciilifeform;flying on cold-fusion (or fart) powered rocket packs, yes. 922347;1416003307;Adlai;well, old people who don't keep supporting themselves enough to stay alive without support from other tribes... will die of old age 922348;1416003311;mircea_popescu;incidentally, my favourite discussion of the topic is balzac. eugenie grandet. 922349;1416003332;mircea_popescu;Adlai you don't understand. there's nothing more readily cohesive of a group than hatred for old people. 922350;1416003343;mircea_popescu;look into london riots. 922351;1416003365;asciilifeform;!s harpagon 922352;1416003366;assbot;4 results for 'harpagon' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=harpagon 922353;1416003368;Adlai;so they'll hire xenotribal mercenaries 922354;1416003384;mircea_popescu;lmao 922355;1416003390;mircea_popescu;are you like, new under the sun ? 922356;1416003397;Adlai;such as... police forces, armies, etc 922357;1416003410;mircea_popescu;suppose kim kardashian goes around drunk in the bad part of detroit, gets raped by a gang of thugs 922358;1416003418;mircea_popescu;hires a different gang of thugs to... kill the first gang ? 922359;1416003430;mircea_popescu;sure. they also fuck her, then they go have a drink with the first gang, exchange impressions. 922360;1416003466;asciilifeform;afaik traditional scheme is for the armies to fight in perpetual deadlock, as if they were the ruminants with horns set at such an angle as to be of no use 922361;1416003474;Adlai;basically, that's what happens when tribes/nation[/-]states attack eachother 922362;1416003477;asciilifeform;while herr harpagon watches and laughs 922363;1416003498;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform that scheme only works when there's few old guys. 922364;1416003514;mircea_popescu;well, actually, i suspect old gals is more of a burden, but who knows. 922365;1416003541;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: there are still 'few old guys.' they see the remaining many as impostors, but are not particularly afraid of them. they have pills for this ('obamacare' etc.) 922366;1416003561;mircea_popescu;i guess. 922367;1416003569;mircea_popescu;but the problem is the swarming instinct. 922368;1416003583;asciilifeform;pelosi is not in any sense afraid of random mrs. smith 922369;1416003583;mircea_popescu;you know, peacible grasshoppers suddenly change mode because they got touched on the toes by others too many times. 922370;1416003606;mircea_popescu;no, but her ability to continue in relevance is a strict function of how many mrs smith johnny perceives a day. 922371;1416003618;mircea_popescu;because if he perceives too many, he's going to go "fuck you, and your laws, and your union" 922372;1416003622;mircea_popescu;something like the ferguson stuff. 922373;1416003647;asciilifeform;quite a few folks say 'ferguson' when discussion hypothetical phase transition, but i must disagree. 922374;1416003665;asciilifeform;lizard-hitler loves it when his zoo animals fight ineffectually among themselves 922375;1416003669;mircea_popescu;fine, whatever unquenchable permariots. the paris stuff. 922376;1416003671;asciilifeform;burn down own tenements, etc. 922377;1416003678;asciilifeform;same deal there 922378;1416003693;mircea_popescu;now look. im not saying the small scale thing is effectual. 922379;1416003697;asciilifeform;usa had a much closer shave before 922380;1416003701;mircea_popescu;what i am saying is that the mechanism clearly exists. 922381;1416003714;asciilifeform;if you visit wash.,d.c. you can see that in the '70s a good chunk of the place got 'detroit'ed. 922382;1416003723;asciilifeform;but not the organs of usg, nor of finance. 922383;1416003750;mircea_popescu;this is exactly how capitals work 922384;1416003754;mircea_popescu;same happened to bucharest, also in 70s 922385;1416003763;asciilifeform;mechanism exists, but i have no idea what it looks like in application to modern usa. 922386;1416003765;mircea_popescu;i suspect also moscow 922387;1416003767;asciilifeform;and neither does anyone else 922388;1416003770;mircea_popescu;well me either, what am i. mafalda. 922389;1416003775;asciilifeform;l0l 922390;1416003779;asciilifeform;vanga! 922391;1416003781;asciilifeform;(ru equivalent) 922392;1416003853;mircea_popescu;myeah. 922393;1416003882;asciilifeform;(for n00bs only: who is 'lizard hitler' ? a character approximately as real as magnetic field lines were to michael faraday. don't look for magnetic field lines, they aren't there. physically. or as far as we can tell, anyway.) 922394;1416004023;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 92800 @ 0.00042935 = 39.8437 BTC [+] 922395;1416004059;mircea_popescu;so basically we could say it's "the understanding" of magnetism ? 922396;1416004072;asciilifeform;at least partly. 922397;1416004093;asciilifeform;'the map is not the territory, but you can't fold up the territory and fit it in your glove compartment.' 922398;1416004112;cazalla;wru scoopbot, http://qntra.net/2014/11/nasaa-top-investor-threats/ 922399;1416004112;assbot;NASAA: Top Investor Threats | Qntra.net 922400;1416004145;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3381 @ 0.00042935 = 1.4516 BTC [+] 922401;1416004154;asciilifeform;oh noez, competing chumpatrons, must d3str0y 922402;1416004226;mircea_popescu;da fuck is nasaa 922403;1416004235;mircea_popescu;all these important things i don't know about! 922404;1416004239;asciilifeform;http://worth1000.s3.amazonaws.com/submissions/183500/183879_8c00_625x1000.jpg 922405;1416004260;mircea_popescu;lol 922406;1416004264;mircea_popescu;can this be like, our god ? 922407;1416004276;asciilifeform;aha. 922408;1416004279;mircea_popescu;cool. 922409;1416004304;mircea_popescu;lizard hitler is nowwith bitcoin jesus. 922410;1416004966;TheNewDeal;lizard hitler is dating bitcoin jesus? 922411;1416004985;TheNewDeal;!s bitcoin jesus 922412;1416004986;assbot;64 results for 'bitcoin jesus' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=bitcoin+jesus 922413;1416005038;cazalla;ignoring the paedos, i thought this was a good model for a porn site http://www.deepdotweb.com/2014/11/09/as-drug-markets-are-seized-pedophiles-launch-a-crowdfunding-site/ 922414;1416005039;assbot;While Markets Get Seized: Pedophiles Launch a Crowdfunding Site - Deep Dot Web 922415;1416005147;cazalla;what are the odds such a site is a honey pot? 922416;1416005158;asciilifeform;!s the man who was thursday 922417;1416005158;assbot;4 results for 'the man who was thursday' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=the+man+who+was+thursday 922418;1416005199;mircea_popescu;cazalla about 11 in 5. 922419;1416005206;asciilifeform;cazalla: the whole thing exists only as a honeypot, even when it doesn't. 922420;1416005252;asciilifeform;what is a honeypot if not each and every criminal undertaking that steps outside of its 'wot' ? 922421;1416005263;asciilifeform;and opens self to strangers 922422;1416005294;asciilifeform;(for whatever value of 'criminal', in whatever kingdom or time) 922423;1416005363;asciilifeform;at any rate, the incentive for the buggers to fabricate 'terrorist atrocities' is so overwhelming, that any such item is guilty until proven innocent of being just such a crock of shit. 922424;1416005415;asciilifeform;not that i personally give a damn whether a particular honeypot is artificial or 'wild.' 922425;1416005731;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11500 @ 0.00043338 = 4.9839 BTC [+] 922426;1416006180;mircea_popescu;http://trilema.com/2014/i-dont-know-what-the-hell-i-said-i-gave-her-an-ultimatum-and-theres-nothing-i-can-do-its-a-machine-the-little-light-is-blinking-right-now-come-and-listen-to-the-idiot-hey-everybody-the-i/ 922427;1416006180;assbot;I don’t know what the hell I said. I gave her an ultimatum and there’s nothing I can do. It’s a machine. The little light is blinking right now: ‘Come and listen to the idiot. Hey everybody, the idiot’s on!’ pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. 922428;1416006214;asciilifeform;lol! 922429;1416006217;mircea_popescu;hehe 922430;1416006218;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu lets nothing go to waste. 922431;1416006225;mircea_popescu;i am an ant! 922432;1416006423;cazalla;Eliza needs a footnote? 922433;1416006451;mircea_popescu;well for prosteriority. 922434;1416006463;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 90950 @ 0.00042509 = 38.6619 BTC [-] {3} 922435;1416006465;mircea_popescu;where prost means stupid, at least in romanian. 922436;1416006605;asciilifeform;3rd conference << 2nd? 922437;1416006613;asciilifeform;(endnote vi) 922438;1416006626;mircea_popescu;$conference 922439;1416006626;empyex;mircea_popescu: Next conference starts in 5 months and 3 days. Estimated cost today: 3.30951486 BTC (Details: http://trilema.com/2014/the-conference-third-edition/ ) 922440;1416006633;mircea_popescu;right you are 922441;1416006654;asciilifeform;unless there was a lizards-only 0th conference... 922442;1416006703;asciilifeform;herr dooglus must be on an ip-over-dead-goat acoustic-coupler modem... 922443;1416006792;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: actually weizenbaum's story is more interesting than the 'prosteriority' lets on. 922444;1416006798;asciilifeform;many people figured it out very quickly. 922445;1416006807;asciilifeform;but his secretary (young woman) - notably - did not 922446;1416006815;asciilifeform;and insisted that the thing was 'alive' and 'understood her' 922447;1416006824;mircea_popescu;yup. it works as a trap for particular people 922448;1416006828;mircea_popescu;rather than a universal problem 922449;1416006831;asciilifeform;she demanded to be 'let alone with it' 922450;1416006852;asciilifeform;and that was when we learned that there are those among us who... fail turing test. 922451;1416006861;mircea_popescu;nah, the two are not the same. 922452;1416006868;asciilifeform;well, inverse turing test. 922453;1416006880;mircea_popescu;understand something : if female brain were not hackable, if female vulva had no opening, there'd be no species. 922454;1416006891;jurov;wow that discussion... rather novel restatement of the question whether a soul exists 922455;1416006891;mircea_popescu;she hacks herself. of course she does. so what of it ? 922456;1416006900;asciilifeform;nitpick. 922457;1416006900;Adlai;!s 4781 922458;1416006901;assbot;1 results for '4781' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=4781 922459;1416006903;mircea_popescu;jurov quite. 922460;1416006907;Adlai;anybody read this? ^^ 922461;1416006923;asciilifeform;i not infrequently read esr 922462;1416006923;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform im just saying, let's not confuse those who pass the fertility test with those who fail the turing test. 922463;1416006930;Adlai;(the book, not the review itself) 922464;1416006940;asciilifeform;(esr suffers from some of the same problems as taleb) 922465;1416006956;mircea_popescu;Adlai i linked it neh ? 922466;1416006984;Adlai;http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=4781 (because assbot apparently isn't self-aware yet) 922467;1416006984;assbot;1 results for '4781' - #bitcoin-assets search 922468;1416006999;Adlai;er, shit. http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=14-11-2014#921595 922469;1416006999;assbot;Logged on 14-11-2014 10:10:46; mircea_popescu: http://esr.ibiblio.org/?p=4781 and it's really good, too. 922470;1416007013;asciilifeform;the book? can't say that i have 922471;1416007037;Adlai;or it could specialcase finding only a single result 922472;1416007040;asciilifeform;but from the article, it sounds deeply reminiscent of a similar turd, 'cyberselfish' 922473;1416007069;asciilifeform;( http://www.motherjones.com/politics/1996/07/cyberselfish << briefly described here.) 922474;1416007070;assbot;Cyberselfish | Mother Jones 922475;1416007634;mircea_popescu;Our biggest concern is the welfare of children who appear on this site. {Site name redacted} has a ZERO tolerance policy for rape or 922476;1416007638;mircea_popescu;what the fuck reporting is this. 922477;1416007861;mircea_popescu;!up romkor_ 922478;1416007889;mircea_popescu;Adlai ah, the book. no, never have. 922479;1416007940;Adlai;has anybody automated assbot auth? 922480;1416008029;mircea_popescu;you mean gribble ? 922481;1416008105;mircea_popescu;Adlai http://wiki.bitcoin-otc.com/wiki/GPG_authentication#Helper_scripts like that ? 922482;1416008109;assbot;GPG authentication - bitcoin-otc wiki 922483;1416008195;Adlai;amazingly nobody seems to use btc address auth. wtf? 922484;1416008195;assbot;AMAZING COMPANY! 922485;1416008201;Adlai;srsly bro 922486;1416008354;mircea_popescu;what's so amazing about this ? 922487;1416008354;assbot;AMAZING COMPANY! 922488;1416008381;mircea_popescu;badly thought out, pointless functionality doesn't get much use among the sane. 922489;1416008450;Adlai;it's not any better than gpg auth, but i don't see why it's any worse either 922490;1416008472;Adlai;although i guess it's less convenient to keep using in the face of existing automation of gpg auth 922491;1416008490;mircea_popescu;vulpes explains this if memory serves. 922492;1416008549;mircea_popescu;http://cascadianhacker.com/blog/2014/10/20_a-summary-of-changes-to-bitcoin-since-0321.html#fn.24 there. 922493;1416008550;assbot;A summary of changes to Bitcoin since 0.3.21 922494;1416008580;Adlai;thx, not much luck slogging through http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=from%3Aben_vulpes+auth* 922495;1416008580;assbot;16 results for 'from:ben_vulpes auth*' - #bitcoin-assets search 922496;1416008645;asciilifeform;whether this particular microscope is fit for use as a hammer, depends on two very separate questions - what you think of ecdsa, and what you think of bitcoind 922497;1416008724;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform not even getting into these technical discussion : getting people to use their credit cards as identification paperwork is a bad idea. 922498;1416008761;asciilifeform;one could in principle maintain a bitcoin 'keypair' for the purpose of abusing it for public key signatures 922499;1416008765;asciilifeform;but why? 922500;1416008776;mircea_popescu;the only proper way to use bitcoin addresses as identification correctly is to run a never-connected node that has no balance. 922501;1416008784;mircea_popescu;this is so braindamaged as to leave one breathless. 922502;1416008785;asciilifeform;well yes. 922503;1416008787;asciilifeform;but still why. 922504;1416008793;Adlai;frankly, my crypto knowledge is lacking to have anything meaningful to say on this issue, beyond "gpg keys can have an order of magnitude more entropy than bitcoin pubkey hashes" 922505;1416008797;asciilifeform;get a hammer, leave microscope alone. 922506;1416008820;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform are you asking me why or the abuser why ? 922507;1416008829;asciilifeform;the abuser. 922508;1416008832;mircea_popescu;right. 922509;1416008851;Adlai;my reason/excuse has mainly been convenience, i had the btc auth set up years ago before i'd ever used gpg 922510;1416008860;mircea_popescu;convenience is the enemy, of course. 922511;1416008871;mircea_popescu;anwyay : you'll also notice we quite strictly use 4kb rsa sigs in our gpg 922512;1416008881;mircea_popescu;as pointedly opposed to using the ecdsa in bitcoin 922513;1416008892;mircea_popescu;now imagine what happens if either is breached somehow. 922514;1416008906;asciilifeform;'Who steals my purse steals trash; 'tis something, nothing; 'Twas mine, 'tis his, and has been slave to thousands; But he that filches from me my good name...' 922515;1416008927;mircea_popescu;quite. 922516;1416008927;Adlai;a stricter form of identity verification would require breaching *both*, rather than either, or only one 922517;1416008954;mircea_popescu;double the hassle of logging. tide's not really that high yet. 922518;1416008976;Adlai;;;ident 922519;1416008976;gribble;Nick 'Adlai', with hostmask 'Adlai!~Adlai@gateway/tor-sasl/adlai', is identified as user 'Adlai', with GPG key id 4D88596A7CDA03F9, key fingerprint FCBC64EFDF1D6C1E4E964AEE4D88596A7CDA03F9, and bitcoin address 13dkw1PtojBW74FN7ERbHqoEvgsTmtARuj 922520;1416008996;mircea_popescu;;;gettrust Adlai 922521;1416008996;gribble;Currently authenticated from hostmask Adlai!~Adlai@gateway/tor-sasl/adlai. Trust relationship from user mircea_popescu to user Adlai: Level 1: 1, Level 2: 1 via 1 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=mircea_popescu&dest=Adlai | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=Adlai | Rated since: Sat Oct 11 10:15:58 2014 922522;1416009000;Adlai;how charming, i'm only btc authed, but gribble presents it as though i'm gpg authed too 922523;1416009015;mircea_popescu;Adlai it just says "you're authed" and lists how that could be 922524;1416009040;Adlai;you may understand that, but it's not evident purely from response to ;;dient 922525;1416009049;mircea_popescu;anyway, seems you first logged last month, what do you mean "btc auth set up for years" ? 922526;1416009054;thestringpuller;"The cryptography is the strongest point. Your enemies will attack the weakest point, which is you." 922527;1416009069;mircea_popescu;well no meaningful content is directly obvious from the form of expression. you gotta know what the words sya. 922528;1416009079;Adlai;i've had btc auth set up for around two years 922529;1416009085;mircea_popescu;like how ? 922530;1416009090;Adlai;i only set up gpg auth a few weeks ago 922531;1416009156;Adlai;compare: http://bitcoin-otc.com/viewgpg.php?nick=adlai and http://pool.sks-keyservers.net:11371/pks/lookup?op=vindex&search=0xFCBC64EFDF1D6C1E4E964AEE4D88596A7CDA03F9 922532;1416009157;assbot;#bitcoin-otc gpg key data 922533;1416009184;mircea_popescu;"Lest this all seem merely amusing, meditate on the fate of those who have tampered with words before. The behaviorists ruined words like "behavior", "response", and especially, "learning". They now pl-ay happily in a dream world, internally consistent but lost to science." 922534;1416009187;mircea_popescu;oh boy, quite. 922535;1416009206;Adlai;where are you going with that quote? 922536;1416009218;mircea_popescu;2012-10-06 04:55:28 aha 922537;1416009226;Adlai;indeed :) 922538;1416009228;mircea_popescu;Adlai unrelated to our convo. 922539;1416009238;Adlai;oook 922540;1416009364;Adlai;perhaps better data, from your very own: http://nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/3B241BB6119757556F33339EFC6D3849C1ED1485C66C9D0D0A9506199D7402D0 922541;1416009365;assbot;Welcome | Phuctor 922542;1416009388;Adlai;oh, that submission date is today. nvm. 922543;1416009392;asciilifeform;lol wasn't meant to be used as an authoritative keyserver. 922544;1416009402;asciilifeform;(only updates when someone craps a key in) 922545;1416009577;Adlai;hah, i'd forgotten this already: http://nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/29F24169A59A5BE1ACC8FCE0E852F4AE1C2A83C2F6B6902D6FA363BFC983ACBA 922546;1416009579;assbot;Welcome | Phuctor 922547;1416009623;*;asciilifeform l0lz that folks are using 'phuctor' as a key viewer 922548;1416009639;Adlai;don't worry, i'm just phucting with you 922549;1416009642;asciilifeform;i guess there's something pleasurable in seeing the moduli 922550;1416009648;asciilifeform;i know i like to. 922551;1416009727;Adlai;https://pgp.mit.edu/pks/lookup?search=Adlai << /nick accidentally got squatted by ashley while i was in the army. never heard of waksman though. 922552;1416009728;assbot;Search results for 'adlai' 922553;1416009961;Adlai;https://pgp.mit.edu/pks/lookup?search=Adlai << so, while the current contributors' reasons for not using git[hub] are understandable, i'll leave this up and perhaps update it at my leisure, in case it'll be useful to anybody inhabiting a separate region on the paranoia/lazyness continuum 922554;1416009961;assbot;Search results for 'adlai' 922555;1416009968;Adlai;pastefail: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-11-2014#919932 922556;1416009968;assbot;Logged on 13-11-2014 16:38:23; asciilifeform: Adlai: darcs << as a military man, perhaps you are familiar with systems that could be automated easily, but aren't? e.g., ru nuke sub controls 922557;1416010020;cazalla;http://qntra.net/2014/11/cfpbs-proposed-rules-governing-prepaid-cards-include-virtual-currency/ 922558;1416010022;assbot;CFPB's Proposed Rules Governing Prepaid Cards Include "Virtual Currency" | Qntra.net 922559;1416010022;asciilifeform;Adlai: on the contrary, several people (even you?) are using 'git' 922560;1416010030;asciilifeform;it even, iirc, comes with a gpg signing gizmo 922561;1416010053;Adlai;people other than me have used it? 922562;1416010059;asciilifeform;but it is only a tool that some people prefer to use. a 'git' or other similar gizmo will not be the authoritative representation of bitcoind. 922563;1416010062;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30500 @ 0.00042506 = 12.9643 BTC [-] 922564;1416010064;asciilifeform;for reasons described earlier. 922565;1416010066;Adlai;(specifically for this repo) 922566;1416010073;asciilifeform;aha i think ben_vulpes has one of his own 922567;1416010099;Adlai;i only set up the repo. doing so required going through all the manual steps (and i did verify gpg signatures with identities fetched from public keyservers) 922568;1416010111;asciilifeform;try to understand why a git repo cannot be the canonical representation. 922569;1416010126;Adlai;of course i understand, although i still think darcs could actually work for this 922570;1416010139;asciilifeform;(the canonical representation can be taken and stuffed into a git repo, or darcs, or cvs, whatever, for your personal pleasure) 922571;1416010141;Adlai;(after reading more about its workings) 922572;1416010169;asciilifeform;but when it's time to cough your changes back up and have them up for public study, they have to be physically minimal 922573;1416010175;Adlai;let's put it this way: the act of fetching signed patches with darcs conducts *exactly* the manual verification workflow which you currently do 922574;1416010177;asciilifeform;and per the current state of the art, that means unix diff outputs. 922575;1416010185;undata;Adlai: this was my argument. 922576;1416010192;Adlai;!s undata darcs 922577;1416010192;assbot;0 results for 'undata darcs' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=undata+darcs 922578;1416010194;undata;git and others are a damned hash database 922579;1416010196;Adlai;... no it wasn't 922580;1416010205;Adlai;yes, and they're not looking for a hash database 922581;1416010208;undata;Adlai: it turns out there are a few of those 922582;1416010209;asciilifeform;Adlai: in what way is 'darcs' output more useful than unix patch? 922583;1416010212;Adlai;they're looking for verified patch lists 922584;1416010232;asciilifeform;Adlai: does it, for example, avoid being fooled by line number counts? 922585;1416010232;Adlai;asciilifeform: you can add metadata such as patch dependency which is not evident just from the patch's raw contents 922586;1416010236;undata;Adlai: as you were then; git solves precisely this problem or would not work. 922587;1416010288;Adlai;git commits to a specific state of code. what if it becomes evident that a specific developer was working to introduce bugs, and you only want to excise his patches? that has unbounded painfulness in git, but bounded painfulness in darcs. 922588;1416010307;asciilifeform;incidentally, the problem of 'patcher than is never fooled by deletions and line count shifts' is not solvable in the general case. 922589;1416010313;Adlai;same bounds hold, or don't, for "his patches, and all those dependent upon them" 922590;1416010329;asciilifeform;(if you have a solution, geneticists would love to hear about it. 'sequence alignment' is ruinously expensive, in computational terms.) 922591;1416010333;Adlai;which is why darcs lets you add manual metadata for dependency constraints 922592;1416010367;Adlai;a "conflict" would require a separate patch, which should be signed by the resolver 922593;1416010367;asciilifeform;Adlai: we have the metadata. the integer in the patch fileames. 922594;1416010371;asciilifeform;*filename 922595;1416010425;asciilifeform;try to understand the nature of this 'nuke sub' and the pitfalls of tying one's fortune to 'darcs' or a similarly 'intelligent' instrument. 922596;1416010482;undata;asciilifeform: the process of producing a git commit is entirely dumb 922597;1416010485;Adlai;darcs isn't that intelligent. the input data it gets from a repository is a partially ordered list of patches, possibly signed. this is slightly more general than an ordered list of patches, but just as secure and interactive/manual 922598;1416010493;undata;and your nuke sub is going to get harder and harder to work on as the number of patches grows 922599;1416010506;asciilifeform;undata: i want it to get harder. 922600;1416010523;asciilifeform;undata, Adlai: are you familiar with 'risk homeostasis' ? 922601;1416010531;Adlai;!s risk homeostasis 922602;1416010531;assbot;1 results for 'risk homeostasis' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=risk+homeostasis 922603;1416010539;Adlai;apparently logs aren't either! 922604;1416010566;Adlai;at least, not to a great degree... but i get the idea 922605;1416010569;asciilifeform;incidentally, esr had a piece on it. 922606;1416010571;asciilifeform;http://esr.ibiblio.org/?p=6271 922607;1416010573;assbot; Program Provability and the Rule of Technical Greed 922608;1416010636;undata;asciilifeform: the process you've demanded be manual is not nearly a hard enough hurdle to filter undesirables 922609;1416010644;asciilifeform;this business, where things have to keep 'growing' for no apparent reason at all, needs to go. 922610;1416010646;undata;it's just a pain in the ass 922611;1416010669;asciilifeform;the point here is not to filter undesirable -people- 922612;1416010671;asciilifeform;but -things-. 922613;1416010676;asciilifeform;as in, cruft. 922614;1416010701;asciilifeform;look at extant software and you will see what happens to engineering when moving parts stop having weight and cost. 922615;1416010703;asciilifeform;it gets cancer. 922616;1416010733;asciilifeform;and since it never quite succumbs to the cancer, the tumours become planetary-sized. 922617;1416010740;asciilifeform;dwarfing the actual healthy tissue. 922618;1416010753;asciilifeform;how much of what is on your computer right now, actually -does- something ? 922619;1416010758;undata;I'll argue that git is doing precisely what you're doing by hand. 922620;1416010765;Adlai;i'm going to stop talking before i sound like a broken record, but this topic is likely to come up again once i've got something more substantial to say in defense of some tool for easing (ie, partially automating, up to the point of confirming signature verification) this process... no guarantee on how soon that could be, or which tool. 922621;1416010772;Adlai;darcs seems the likeliest candidate right now, though 922622;1416010775;undata;you're not removing complexity; you're just making the same process slower 922623;1416010784;asciilifeform;undata: well, to the extent that any version control system can be cudgelled into coughing up output compatible with 'patch' - then yes. 922624;1416010793;asciilifeform;but it is that output, and only that, which i am willing to sign. 922625;1416010802;undata;asciilifeform: there is not one single canonical timeline in any project 922626;1416010804;asciilifeform;others can disagree, and sign the empire state building. 922627;1416010830;asciilifeform;let's put it another way. i will not sign anything that i cannot read. 922628;1416010849;asciilifeform;it's bad enough that we are dealing with a turd that is quite impossible to fully understand in the original. 922629;1416010865;asciilifeform;but i will only sign deltas which consist of information which i can fully view. 922630;1416010886;undata;to me you're saying damn the microscope or we'll never understand this cell 922631;1416010906;asciilifeform;undata: you are perfectly welcome to use a vcs of whatever flavour appeals to you 922632;1416010919;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes, the one fellow who is really still working on this gizmo, is 922633;1416010960;undata;I'd like to slash out the db bits and try something else, but I'm not going to bother with trying to manually merge other people's patches as they come along in process 922634;1416010970;undata;that is precisely the scenario git helps 922635;1416010972;mod6;im not using one 922636;1416010979;*;asciilifeform isn't either 922637;1416011013;asciilifeform;undata: if you want to understand the whole point of the fork, try to understand what you lose when you choose a vcs as a canonical representation. 922638;1416011027;asciilifeform;or, alternatively, create own fork, with own point... 922639;1416011062;asciilifeform;but don't be surprised if it is treated in the same way as the phoundation's original - at the very best, a place to steal bug fixes from. 922640;1416011261;asciilifeform;undata: do you know how soviet nukes and spacecraft were assembled? 922641;1416011265;Adlai;wouldn't a better forking point be before any significant "crowd" involvement? cf https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/graphs/contributors?from=2010-07-11&to=2011-04-27&type=c 922642;1416011265;assbot;Contributors to bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub 922643;1416011265;asciilifeform;there was a three-man system 922644;1416011292;asciilifeform;one would read instructions. another, turn a wrench, whatever. third would check that 2 corresponds to 1. then, all three sign under that step in recipe. 922645;1416011297;asciilifeform;all three - answer with their lives. 922646;1416011310;asciilifeform;this is how safety-critical systems work. 922647;1416011327;asciilifeform;and whiners who complain that this is arduous, unreasonable, etc. - are shown where the door is. 922648;1416011332;*;Adlai is not sufficiently familiar with each line of code itself to tell which of those contributions, or ones in the ensuing spikes, are trivially trustable, and which aren't 922649;1416011343;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 49173 @ 0.00042192 = 20.7471 BTC [-] {2} 922650;1416011345;undata;asciilifeform: it is absurd to think that software cannot help enforce that rigor 922651;1416011365;undata;or why did we make it at all? 922652;1416011370;undata;any software 922653;1416011383;asciilifeform;software is helping to the extent it is reasonable. for instance, i am trusting my text editor to display the actual source and not some diddled version. 922654;1416011396;undata;asciilifeform: it's more likely that your text editor diddled than git did 922655;1416011406;undata;your text editor isn't checking against known hashes 922656;1416011417;asciilifeform;idea is not 'which was diddled' but which one encourages reliance on greater and greater machine 'intelligence' 922657;1416011420;Adlai;undata: this is more along the lines of "confirm by human approval that an unforseen software/bureaucracy/insanity 'bug' isn't afoot" 922658;1416011425;asciilifeform;it is very easy to test if my text editor is lying. 922659;1416011439;asciilifeform;(less easy to test if it is -capable- of lying, but that's another matter) 922660;1416011466;asciilifeform;but the argument here is not about sabotaged ken-thompson-style tools. but about tools that foster intellectual atrophy. 922661;1416011497;asciilifeform;and a dependence on the machine to resolve questions which ought to be resolved by the mind, and thus kept 'light weight' enough to be easily resolved by the mind. 922662;1416011571;undata;being able to apply 700 patches by hand, having verified signatures on each one, is no measure of intelligence 922663;1416011579;asciilifeform;no. 922664;1416011584;undata;it confirms you're a ploddingly simple mechanical device 922665;1416011590;asciilifeform;it's a chore, yes 922666;1416011599;asciilifeform;can't really argue that it's a great joy. 922667;1416011611;asciilifeform;and whatever aspects of it can be automated - should be 922668;1416011624;Adlai;according to github, v0.5.3 has 36 committers with github accounts (for example, doesn't include satoshi). compare this with starting on Apr 1, 2011: 8 922669;1416011642;asciilifeform;but i will not be signing any patch that i can't apply with my mind, in my mental model of the code. 922670;1416011642;undata;Adlai: there is a mountain of bugfixing to re-apply 922671;1416011652;asciilifeform;and requires some complicated pattern-matcher to apply 922672;1416011661;undata;asciilifeform: at some point wont you have to delegate that? 922673;1416011668;undata;torvalds addresses this regarding the kernel and git 922674;1416011681;undata;he uses WoT to manage what makes it into the kernel 922675;1416011681;asciilifeform;lol re: linux kernel as an example to follow 922676;1416011735;Adlai;of course, but the "manual trust verification" approach taken further would suggest only applying critical bugfixes, as patches, signed by the developer who wrote them (preferably with a signature published at the time of the fix, alternatively obtaining a signature in the present day... or manually verifying the patch's trustworthyness, and signing yourself) 922677;1416011764;undata;Adlai: so I sign the hash of the commit with my gpg key 922678;1416011772;asciilifeform;Adlai: there are two separate questions here, and we are only dealing with one 922679;1416011777;asciilifeform;that being - attribution. 922680;1416011789;asciilifeform;the most important thing is that each and every change, however slight, is attributable. 922681;1416011794;asciilifeform;now, and 100 years from now. 922682;1416011805;asciilifeform;'trustworthiness' can only be born from this. 922683;1416011811;asciilifeform;right now it is a null word. 922684;1416011818;Adlai;and how does what I just said miss that? 922685;1416011827;undata;asciilifeform: so are you going to trace that line of code by hand through 1500 patches? 922686;1416011833;asciilifeform;well, you referred to 'trustworthiness' which is a thing we have not yet invented. 922687;1416011834;undata;and is that more reliable than git blame? 922688;1416011844;undata;now I'm supposed to trust your infallible eye 922689;1416011847;asciilifeform;undata: picture the 0.5.3 turd as a piece of martian technology. 922690;1416011854;asciilifeform;let's pretend that it just happened to fall upon the earth. 922691;1416011868;Adlai;s/trust/origin/, s/manually verifying/claiming responsibility for/ 922692;1416011870;undata;ha, yes. 922693;1416011878;asciilifeform;we have no idea, let's say, what parts are useful, and which ones are boobytraps designed to kill unwary earthling dissector. 922694;1416011895;asciilifeform;but we do know that among us are hostile martians, who would like us to come to harm. 922695;1416011908;asciilifeform;we want to know, even if it is fifty years too late, who they were. 922696;1416011914;asciilifeform;and the only way to learn it, is by their works. 922697;1416011917;undata;I might not try and use the thing at all. 922698;1416011922;asciilifeform;that's an option. 922699;1416011924;undata;I'd observe it then try a clean re-implementation 922700;1416011925;asciilifeform;i hear it's popular. 922701;1416011932;asciilifeform;aha but how to observe? 922702;1416011939;asciilifeform;and then how to convince others you are not a martian ? 922703;1416011949;asciilifeform;two separate problems. 922704;1416011966;asciilifeform;conformal corp.'s reimplementation exists, for instance. 922705;1416011969;asciilifeform;and 2 or 3 others. 922706;1416011973;asciilifeform;why aren't we using them? 922707;1416011978;Adlai;well, you can't convince another person you're not a martian. hell, i don't think i could convince myself that i'm not unwittingly carrying out martian bidding. 922708;1416011979;asciilifeform;(well - at least, i'm not) 922709;1416011979;ben_vulpes;inertia 922710;1416011984;ben_vulpes;fear 922711;1416011987;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: no. 922712;1416012001;asciilifeform;i won't use, because i was not privvy to the process whereby it was born. 922713;1416012011;asciilifeform;nor have any reason to place trust in the creators 922714;1416012019;Adlai;but you can ease recovery from covert evil martian sabotage 922715;1416012033;asciilifeform;what recovery can there be, when your $maxint coins walk away? 922716;1416012049;asciilifeform;gotta understand why bitcoind < 0.6 is special. 922717;1416012052;ben_vulpes;why so much more confident in the satoshi turd than the conformal blackbox? 922718;1416012060;asciilifeform;because it is the only one which existed upon the earth before bitcoin was valuable! 922719;1416012065;asciilifeform;i thought this was elementarily obvious. 922720;1416012083;undata;but this can be taken to the absurd 922721;1416012084;ben_vulpes;best argument i've heard. 922722;1416012087;undata;satoshi = nsa 922723;1416012090;undata;it has always been broken 922724;1416012108;asciilifeform;undata: this comes up here at least once a month, and i regret to say that it is mostly my own fault. 922725;1416012111;Adlai;surely these purely hypothetical martians already had their eyes on it before "bitcoin was valuable" 922726;1416012120;undata;asciilifeform: I don't believe or disbelieve it 922727;1416012134;undata;one can always suppose a reason why tonight's the night they come to get him 922728;1416012136;asciilifeform;Adlai: there are at least six different hypotheses for why dr. evil has not yet pulled the trigger. 922729;1416012141;asciilifeform;one of them is that there was no dr. evil 922730;1416012146;asciilifeform;but there are at least five others. 922731;1416012154;asciilifeform;i think each of the regulars here has his favourite. 922732;1416012160;Adlai;at least one tla took an active interest back in 2011... 922733;1416012187;Adlai;and please elaborate on the hypotheses 922734;1416012196;Adlai;(or just point out log links/searches) 922735;1416012205;TheNewDeal;second that statement 922736;1416012226;TheNewDeal;the only one I can think of is, wait until it gets 10, or 100 times bigger 922737;1416012229;asciilifeform;!s nsa bitcoin 922738;1416012230;assbot;27 results for 'nsa bitcoin' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=nsa+bitcoin 922739;1416012247;undata;why would they create it? impending fiat disaster? 922740;1416012256;TheNewDeal;not interested about the nsa connection now, but the "why hasn't he pulled the plug?" question 922741;1416012287;undata;TheNewDeal: supposing "he" is usgov; why wouldn't they just sit back and let it take over, and hold their 1/21 or more of it? 922742;1416012299;undata;and continue to be the thing they've been 922743;1416012322;Adlai;TheNewDeal: e no antecedent, in http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-11-2014922735 922744;1416012323;assbot;#bitcoin-assets log 922745;1416012325;TheNewDeal;that's obvious to me why it doesnt matter if he is nsa 922746;1416012326;undata;I don't see a reason to pull any plugs 922747;1416012331;asciilifeform;undata: are you familiar with a figure called anatoly golitsyn? 922748;1416012334;joecool;!isitdup wiki.bitcoin-assets.com 922749;1416012336;undata;asciilifeform: I am not 922750;1416012341;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-12-2013#421984 922751;1416012341;assbot;Logged on 15-12-2013 00:57:19; asciilifeform: anyone knows the story of a man called Anatoliy Golitsyn? 922752;1416012347;Adlai;fixfail: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-11-2014#922735 922753;1416012347;assbot;Logged on 15-11-2014 00:43:25; TheNewDeal: second that statement 922754;1416012351;joecool;kakobrekla: wiki is down? 922755;1416012365;undata;here's a doubling down of it: NSA intends to take over the hashing power of the network and implement coin validation 922756;1416012368;undata;ushering in a dark age 922757;1416012370;undata;haha 922758;1416012411;joecool;yep, everything on bitcoin-assets.com down for me 922759;1416012427;undata;asciilifeform: yes that 922760;1416012464;Adlai;;;isup search.bitcoin-assets.com 922761;1416012465;gribble;search.bitcoin-assets.com is up 922762;1416012472;undata;bitcoin could easily be one of the most dystopian inventions ever 922763;1416012478;undata;depending on who has the hashing power and what they intend 922764;1416012490;asciilifeform;http://pastebin.com/LEKE04PY << for those who can't reach the log 922765;1416012491;assbot;00:57:19asciilifeform:anyone knows the story of a man called Anatoliy Golitsyn? - Pastebin.com 922766;1416012571;undata;asciilifeform: this brings me back to my comments about the pile of weapons 922767;1416012582;*;Adlai likes how the pastebin gets dated by the newsfart mention 922768;1416012593;joecool;!isup log.bitcoin-assets.com 922769;1416012605;Adlai;joecool: try ;; 922770;1416012608;joecool;Adlai: search works here 922771;1416012612;joecool;;;isup log.bitcoin-assets.com 922772;1416012613;gribble;log.bitcoin-assets.com is up 922773;1416012616;undata;the pentagon is the actual US govt 922774;1416012624;asciilifeform;!s meta-nsa 922775;1416012625;assbot;30 results for 'meta-nsa' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=meta-nsa 922776;1416012625;undata;this civilian bureaucracy is a skirt 922777;1416012651;asciilifeform;^ required reading for 'shadow government' aficionados 922778;1416012654;joecool;Adlai: used to ! on the otc channel, bad habit 922779;1416012662;asciilifeform;!s lizard-hitler 922780;1416012662;assbot;5 results for 'lizard-hitler' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=lizard-hitler 922781;1416012744;Adlai;the lizard-hitler popular with my conspiracy friends has dabbled in history from a much earlier age 922782;1416012786;asciilifeform;e.g., http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=11-12-2013#416393 922783;1416012786;assbot;Logged on 11-12-2013 00:40:16; asciilifeform: i can't help but imagine some fellow at Meta-NSA, with a pill against ECDSA hidden under a flower pot in his office, laughing his arse off at these morons. 922784;1416012790;Adlai;he/they are responsible for crossing mammal and reptilian "genes" (phenotypes? genotypes? details, damnit! details!) 922785;1416012835;Adlai;Homo sapiens [sapiens] being essentially some form of automaton / robot slave / controlled experiment, conducted by these lizard-nazis 922786;1416012841;asciilifeform;for those who slept, 922787;1416012842;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=14-11-2014#922393 922788;1416012842;assbot;Logged on 14-11-2014 22:24:42; asciilifeform: (for n00bs only: who is 'lizard hitler' ? a character approximately as real as magnetic field lines were to michael faraday. don't look for magnetic field lines, they aren't there. physically. or as far as we can tell, anyway.) 922789;1416012865;Adlai;"slept"? more like "don't speak http" 922790;1416012887;Adlai;which is quite an illiteracy, these days 922791;1416012916;assbot;Last 12 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/3A8FTX8.txt ) 922792;1416012916;Adlai;!b 12 922793;1416012961;Adlai;ignorance is bliss, eh assbot? 922794;1416013006;Adlai;assbot is immune to suicidal depression, because it doesn't even know it exists 922795;1416013228;nubbins`;;;seen asciilifeform 922796;1416013228;gribble;asciilifeform was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 6 minutes and 25 seconds ago: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=14-11-2014#922393 922797;1416013234;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 66300 @ 0.0004115 = 27.2825 BTC [-] {2} 922798;1416013247;asciilifeform;nubbins`: i'm right here. 922799;1416013252;Adlai;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=09-04-2014#610903 << does security-over-obscurity preclude discussing further your uses of obsd? 922800;1416013252;assbot;Logged on 09-04-2014 09:10:25; mircea_popescu: tbh im kinda surprised teh tradepress isn't howling all about "in january, 'Bitcoin Baron Keeps a Secretive Open Source OS Alive' ; in april, nsa's crown jool is thrown in the dirt of the public space." 922801;1416013252;nubbins`;hi 922802;1416013252;asciilifeform;at least for a few min. 922803;1416013256;nubbins`;- if the project is deemed infeasible, 0.5 BTC (less tx fees) will be returned to a Bitcoin address specified by asciilifeform, no later than 2014-11-15. 922804;1416013266;asciilifeform;ah 922805;1416013276;nubbins`;loose ends and the tying up thereof! 922806;1416013277;asciilifeform;send it where it came from. 922807;1416013279;nubbins`;k 922808;1416013284;*;Adlai is curious what is considered a secure stack for financial sites, eg mpex 922809;1416013295;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 36427 @ 0.00041773 = 15.2167 BTC [+] 922810;1416013299;nubbins`;i still want to print this if/when the time comes that the chicken is whittled down to edible meat and bone 922811;1416013308;asciilifeform;nubbins`: and i shall buy it. 922812;1416013322;Adlai;nubbins`: why aren't you printing it? 922813;1416013352;asciilifeform;Adlai: see jurov's chronicle: http://explo.yt/post/2014/10/29/some-dangerous-idea 922814;1416013353;assbot;A dangerous idea - serialized delusions 922815;1416013357;asciilifeform;(re: why not printed) 922816;1416013378;nubbins`;tl;dr you don't bronze turds 922817;1416013395;asciilifeform;except! in the case of the 1990s alt.tasteless 'golden turd award.' 922818;1416013398;asciilifeform;where - they did. 922819;1416013481;nubbins`;heh 922820;1416013533;nubbins`;https://blockchain.info/tx/233caa80975f203b65927c705e5fa2876354ab6ddb8c4f684ca76ebeab44ab71 922821;1416013535;assbot;Bitcoin Transaction 233caa80975f203b65927c705e5fa2876354ab6ddb8c4f684ca76ebeab44ab71 922822;1416013536;asciilifeform;Adlai: what is considered a secure stack for financial << this is like asking, 'what is considered a good wife' 922823;1416013559;Adlai;and indeed, isn't it acceptable, in some circles at least, to look at family photos? 922824;1416013626;asciilifeform;'A Roman divorced from his wife, being highly blamed by his friends, who demanded, "Was she not chaste? Was she not fair? Was she not fruitful?" holding out his shoe, asked them whether it was not new and well made. "Yet," added he, "none of you can tell where it pinches me."' 922825;1416013633;asciilifeform;(plutarch, iirc) 922826;1416013668;joecool;hm reading about the assets project to roll back to 0.5.3, i see "rip out bdb" ? drop wallet support so it only functions as node? 922827;1416013695;asciilifeform;joecool: rolling back was just step 1 in recipe. 922828;1416013697;Adlai;this roman doesn't seem to care much for his friends' feet. perhaps the shoe's pinch points would bother them too, if they were to walk long enough in the same shoes? 922829;1416013749;nubbins`;notary http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=eJhsu4D5 922830;1416013754;nubbins`;what is it again 922831;1416013761;nubbins`;!s notary 922832;1416013762;assbot;26 results for 'notary' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=notary 922833;1416013785;nubbins`;.deed http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=eJhsu4D5 922834;1416013785;notary;nubbins`: Queued 1 valid deed for next bundle. 922835;1416013826;ben_vulpes;joecool: what's a wallet? 922836;1416013847;joecool;ben_vulpes: wallet.db support 922837;1416013865;ben_vulpes;is management of a single address not enough for you? 922838;1416013880;nubbins`;:D 922839;1416013925;asciilifeform;joecool: i don't believe that the current participants in turdatron really agree on what the ultimate end product should be (e.g., something like what conformal has, or a hardware implementation - what i want, etc.) but we do agree that a reference implementation is necessary before it even makes sense to ask the question. 922840;1416013932;asciilifeform;at the moment - we don't have a reference. 922841;1416013955;asciilifeform;nubbins`: thank you 922842;1416013966;nubbins`;np, may our day in the sun come 922843;1416014012;nubbins`;!up dooglus 922844;1416014027;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7723 @ 0.00042926 = 3.3152 BTC [+] 922845;1416014089;nubbins`;incidentally, you'll get a chance to check out pictures of my large-format binding work later this month 922846;1416014232;joecool;asciilifeform: i see, what exactly has been happening? were people expecting gavin to crap out a reference eventually or just keep adding BIP's and pile on the crap? 922847;1416014430;nubbins`;i think "people" were expecting what people always have/will 922848;1416014440;nubbins`;everything, now, goddammit 922849;1416014455;joecool;nubbins`: someone else will get around to it 922850;1416014458;nubbins`;saying shit like "we" 922851;1416014460;nubbins`;"we need" 922852;1416014487;ben_vulpes;"the people" want everything they're told they want and to pay for nothing. 922853;1416014502;ben_vulpes;kinda why the open source ownership of satoshi's codebase failed so dramatically. 922854;1416014548;nubbins`;dat lack of bare-bones implementation, etc 922855;1416014663;ben_vulpes;the preference of "the community" for something that sorta-works across a broad spectrum of use cases 922856;1416014670;ben_vulpes;(albeit poorly at any of them individually) 922857;1416014671;joecool;so there's a todo, is there a repo you guys are using or a a mailing list for patches? 922858;1416014677;ben_vulpes;ml for patches 922859;1416014690;ben_vulpes;lol don't really know if it even works yet 922860;1416014701;undata;joecool: repo?! scoff! 922861;1416014712;thestringpuller;"There are no infinite loops in Ethereum because cycles cost currency and there is a finite amount of currency." 922862;1416014722;joecool;undata: cvs works for me 922863;1416014723;ben_vulpes;but if you're going to hack on it, start with the 0.5.3 dist at f9beb4d9.org, apply asciilifeform's "chicken" patch, and then yours on top of that. 922864;1416014759;joecool;ben_vulpes: thanks 922865;1416014766;thestringpuller;has anyone been able to load blockchain yet without exploding? 922866;1416014785;ben_vulpes;thestringpuller: i'm still inching my blockchain to wedging 922867;1416014796;ben_vulpes;i'm working to crap out a "blockchain" that i can use to test this wedge 922868;1416014800;ben_vulpes;er 922869;1416014812;ben_vulpes;that i can use to track down potentially unwedging commits i should say. 922870;1416015167;joecool;ben_vulpes: will it reindex a pulled in blockchain or is it a necessity to pull in from start to finish? 922871;1416015552;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26400 @ 0.0004105 = 10.8372 BTC [-] 922872;1416015569;*;Adlai envisions a method of automatically sussing out the wedge point, but it requires the use of automation tools... 922873;1416015654;Adlai;specifically, http://man.cx/git-bisect 922874;1416015655;assbot;Manpage for git-bisect - man.cx manual pages 922875;1416015707;thestringpuller;joecool: after certain block it goes bananas 922876;1416015734;joecool;always same block? 922877;1416015737;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12295 @ 0.0004105 = 5.0471 BTC [-] 922878;1416015743;thestringpuller;dunno haven't tried again 922879;1416016528;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22828 @ 0.00041956 = 9.5777 BTC [+] 922880;1416016642;ben_vulpes;Adlai: git bisect is actually the plan 922881;1416016658;ben_vulpes;my plan, more accurately. 922882;1416016732;ben_vulpes;joecool: "reindexing" is something that gavin's fork does to find all of the transactions relevant to addresses in your wallet in a given blockchain. 922883;1416016740;ben_vulpes;required for "importprivkey" etc 922884;1416016772;ben_vulpes;reverifying the blockchain is something else entirely. 922885;1416016775;joecool;so 0.5.3 and earlier did not do such things? 922886;1416016823;Adlai;the only plan right now is http://music.tatranmusic.com/ 922887;1416016827;assbot;TATRAN 922888;1416016906;ben_vulpes;0.5.3 and earlier have wallets, and all the concomittant braindamage like "reindex" 922889;1416016930;ben_vulpes;0.5.3 is just a not unreasonable starting point for the project. 922890;1416016986;ben_vulpes;the story behind its selection is pretty amusing and may need to be revisited. 922891;1416017050;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform: how much of what is on your computer right now, actually -does- something ? << i guess about half. 922892;1416017058;mircea_popescu;and that is probably rare. 922893;1416017121;ben_vulpes;Adlai: additionally, i'm scripting the approach to the wedge point so that i can reproduce both the wedge and it not happening trivially with git bisect and other scripts 922894;1416017160;mircea_popescu;basically there' 922895;1416017167;mircea_popescu;s a conflict between enthusiasm and experience here. 922896;1416017175;mircea_popescu;enthusiasm is a sin. 922897;1416017199;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 54873 @ 0.00042886 = 23.5328 BTC [+] {3} 922898;1416017199;Adlai;ben_vulpes: please share your bisection script 922899;1416017222;ben_vulpes;Adlai: just in skeleton form atm 922900;1416017238;ben_vulpes;i don't have a blockchain that wedges yet, nor have i reproduced the wedging point 922901;1416017246;*;Adlai is in no hurry 922902;1416017276;ben_vulpes;stuff i've written so far: http://pastebin.com/Zf4T9xF7 922903;1416017277;assbot;[Bash] #!/bin/bash TEST_DATA_DIR=aplace WEDGE_BLOCK=999999 clean_data_dir() { - Pastebin.com 922904;1416017332;ben_vulpes;this abomination is what's edging my copy of 0.5.3 up to the wedge point: http://pastebin.com/itWYUk9f 922905;1416017333;assbot;[Bash] #! /bin/bash # assumes that bitcoind is running blockmax=$1 should_continue - Pastebin.com 922906;1416017405;ben_vulpes;hardly groundbreaking. just tiptoeing around, because...enthusiasm kills the sapper. 922907;1416017439;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes why the sleep ? 922908;1416017443;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 67550 @ 0.0004334 = 29.2762 BTC [+] {2} 922909;1416017457;ben_vulpes;no desire to tax the poor leaky boat 922910;1416017476;mircea_popescu;should be interestinf to see if sleep actually resolves [part of] memory leakage 922911;1416017480;mircea_popescu;-> race condition. 922912;1416017568;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform: undata: this comes up here at least once a month, and i regret to say that it is mostly my own fault. <<< that it has a good response is mostly your fault. that it appears... it'd have appeared anyway. 922913;1416017590;mircea_popescu;now if i only had a link to where it was put to rest, to pass along to undata 922914;1416017598;ben_vulpes;currach is the word i was looking for 922915;1416017646;mircea_popescu;carrack ? 922916;1416017680;ben_vulpes;leather over wood prehistoric thinger? 922917;1416017701;ben_vulpes;coracle perhaps even 922918;1416017703;mircea_popescu;oh, no. this is the boat that mapped the world. 922919;1416017723;ben_vulpes;well its a crappy coracle dammit 922920;1416017739;ben_vulpes;bitcoin is the coin that changed the world but that doesn't mean the first try doesn't sink in heavy storms 922921;1416017792;mircea_popescu;http://www.stephenbiesty.co.uk/galleries_Atmospheric_Cutaways_Magellan'sCarrack.html 922922;1416017793;assbot;Stephen Biesty - Illustrator - Atmospheric Cutaways - Megallan's Carrack 922923;1416017875;asciilifeform;!s koraktor 922924;1416017876;assbot;11 results for 'koraktor' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=koraktor 922925;1416017900;asciilifeform;or maybe not. 922926;1416017932;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2617 @ 0.0004249 = 1.112 BTC [-] 922927;1416017988;undata;mircea_popescu: regarding the NSA conspiracy, it's amusing, but doesn't seem likely that they'd undermine fiat intentionaly 922928;1416017989;undata;*lly 922929;1416018012;asciilifeform;does cia cocaine boat intend to undermine 'war on drugs' ? 922930;1416018027;asciilifeform;why does 'intend' even matter? 922931;1416018087;undata;asciilifeform: because unintentionally they're undermining their own existence by existing in the first place 922932;1416018140;nubbins`;anyone else find it mildly interesting that the last 5 chars in deed ID of jurov's signed treasurer's contract are "urovj"? 922933;1416018147;asciilifeform;me. 922934;1416018154;nubbins`;:D 922935;1416018161;nubbins`;i stared at it for like 10 minutes 922936;1416018298;asciilifeform;in other news, http://lenta.ru/news/2014/11/14/boeing 922937;1416018299;assbot;Lenta.ru: Силовые структуры: «Первый канал» показал спутниковые снимки атаки истребителем гражданского самолета 922938;1416018304;asciilifeform;i don't feel like translating. 922939;1416018309;asciilifeform;either 'google' or mircea_popescu 922940;1416018343;asciilifeform;tldr - ru satellite footage of death of mh-17 922941;1416018365;*;asciilifeform wasn't there, didn't watch, cannot swear to it 922942;1416018412;nubbins`;:0 922943;1416018432;asciilifeform;let out in response to australian 'je'accuse' 922944;1416018482;Adlai;all this horseradish for just a file conversion!? http://www.zamzar.com/tos.php 922945;1416018483;assbot;Zamzar - Free online file conversion 922946;1416018575;asciilifeform;lol, american/uk sat. 922947;1416018584;undata;asciilifeform: the strange thing to me: it doesn't matter at all what actually happened 922948;1416018589;Adlai;it's considerably shorter than the usual legalese, but just for starters, they could have separate terms for all the paid cruft, and leave the free service simple 922949;1416018599;undata;these events serve as fine propaganda tools no matter what for both sides 922950;1416018602;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34450 @ 0.00042727 = 14.7195 BTC [+] {2} 922951;1416018618;asciilifeform;undata: except when usg can be caught with pants down. 922952;1416018629;asciilifeform;and anally tickled until bursts. 922953;1416018634;undata;asciilifeform: the usgov can tag its own pentagon with a missile in broad daylight 922954;1416018660;asciilifeform;and let's say you caught it on film. 922955;1416018668;asciilifeform;yes, 'can have problems,' film will be denied, etc. 922956;1416018672;asciilifeform;but still improvement. 922957;1416018775;undata;seems like the US and Russia are gradually building support for a very large war 922958;1416018807;mats_cd03;ha. 922959;1416018836;undata;meanwhile, related: they're starting to bang the Iraq war drum here, again 922960;1416018843;undata;only this time Syria must go as well 922961;1416018925;thestringpuller;https://github.com/cwinklevoss 922962;1416018957;asciilifeform;i can make one for hitler, what of it 922963;1416018991;thestringpuller;silly winklevii don't code 922964;1416019027;undata;if I were russia, I'd wait for the US to go balls deep into the middle east again, and then I'd grab some of the north pole's oil, and whatever I wanted in eastern ukraine, at least 922965;1416019082;undata;and I'd most certainly try to help stir up whatever particular brand of shit the americans can't resist in the middle east 922966;1416019090;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5598 @ 0.00043346 = 2.4265 BTC [+] 922967;1416019200;mircea_popescu;<nubbins`> anyone else find it mildly interesting that the last 5 chars in deed ID of jurov's signed treasurer's contract are "urovj"? << it's in the logs. 922968;1416019312;mircea_popescu; if I were russia, I'd wait for the US to go balls deep into the middle east again, and then I'd grab some of the north pole's oil, <<< obviously, you're not russia. 922969;1416019328;mircea_popescu;it needs more oil under a sheet of ice like kim kardashian needs more pubic hair. 922970;1416019410;PeterL;doesn't russia pretty much have as much oil as they want right now anyway? why do they need an excuse to grab more? 922971;1416019487;mircea_popescu;yup. 922972;1416019489;Adlai;any theories on reasons for the temporal hint of correlation between btcfiat and s.mpoe? 922973;1416019509;mircea_popescu;i was waiting for mike_c's words of wisdom 922974;1416019510;ben_vulpes;!t l s.mpoe 922975;1416019510;assbot;It says some pelt-wearin' trapper, some stinkin' bean-suckin' possum skinner, he's gonna collect that reward money. 922976;1416019516;ben_vulpes;!l s.mpoe 922977;1416019516;assbot;The eagle never lost so much time as when he submitted to learn from the crow. 922978;1416019520;ben_vulpes;!l mpex s.mpoe 922979;1416019520;assbot;Last trade for S.MPOE on MPEX was at 0.00043346 BTC [+] 922980;1416019521;mircea_popescu;!t m s.mpoe 922981;1416019523;assbot;[MPEX:S.MPOE] 1D: 0.0004105 / 0.0004339 / 0.00046194 (2681850 shares, 1,163.66 BTC), 7D: 0.00036402 / 0.00053599 / 0.00065245 (7576604 shares, 4,061.03 BTC), 30D: 0.00036402 / 0.00067967 / 0.00081111 (23975563 shares, 16,295.66 BTC) 922982;1416019524;undata;mircea_popescu: still, controlling supply means having an influence on price 922983;1416019539;mike_c;i don't have any words of wisdom on mpoe. 922984;1416019541;mircea_popescu;undata you don't understand. siberia is a huge space, full of minerals they can't access because ice. 922985;1416019557;mike_c;feels cheap though. 922986;1416019563;ben_vulpes;wasn't the last major mpoe action a big rally during the big btc rally? 922987;1416019565;ben_vulpes;;;ticker 922988;1416019566;gribble;Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 391.71, Best ask: 391.72, Bid-ask spread: 0.01000, Last trade: 391.65, 24 hour volume: 20570.65837348, 24 hour low: 382.95, 24 hour high: 415.0, 24 hour vwap: 396.974151246 922989;1416019569;PeterL;and no way to transport out, no oil pipes 922990;1416019584;ben_vulpes;there is this sneaky theory that btc price is driven by mpoe holders 922991;1416019585;Adlai;well look who's been asleep now :P 922992;1416019600;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes pretty much yea 922993;1416019611;Adlai;so, why would they need to dump mpoe to boost btc? 922994;1416019628;Adlai;doesn't mpoe operate "within" bitcoin? 922995;1416019632;ben_vulpes;mircea_popescu will bang on about that at will 922996;1416019656;*;ben_vulpes shrugs 922997;1416019659;ben_vulpes;many legs to the trade 922998;1416019693;ben_vulpes;could just be momentum and a long dry spell on mpex 922999;1416019703;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform: except! in the case of the 1990s alt.tasteless 'golden turd award.' <<< anything good in there ? 923000;1416019716;ben_vulpes;i suspect mpoe acts as a stand in for an mpex market fund 923001;1416019723;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: plenty 923002;1416019727;Adlai;note that i'm asking less "why did mpoe drop" and more "what evidence supports a correlation as the explanation for the temporal coincidence?" 923003;1416019729;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: but we've no archive any more. 923004;1416019740;mircea_popescu;sux. 923005;1416019740;Adlai;for all i care, it could have risen. i hold none (yet) 923006;1416019773;ben_vulpes;Adlai: if anything, i'd have expected a surge as those who held mpoe bought more to balance their crypto holdings while accumulating more btc 923007;1416019780;ben_vulpes;mpoe is a goddamn mystery to me, Adlai. 923008;1416019792;mircea_popescu;Adlai afaik there was never in the entire history of bitcoin proposed some sort of credible / evidenced based interepretation of wtf it does. 923009;1416019810;ben_vulpes;for the first time ever my mpoe holdings are underwater 923010;1416019863;ben_vulpes;guess this means is hould sell, eh 923011;1416019874;mircea_popescu;Adlai: this roman doesn't seem to care much for his friends' feet. perhaps the shoe's pinch points would bother them too, if they were to walk long enough in the same shoes? <<< you know your crowd-* obsession is at some level based on the fundamentally evil notion that people are interchangeable. 923012;1416019878;mircea_popescu;people are not interchangeable. 923013;1416019883;asciilifeform;^ 923014;1416019892;asciilifeform;whole point of the anecdote. 923015;1416019929;mircea_popescu;there isn't some sort of "us" that could just as well be a standin for any of us. 923016;1416019932;Adlai;people aren't interchangeable, but shoes (and artifacts of their ilk) are increasingly produced and repaired in an interchangeable manner 923017;1416019948;mircea_popescu;no mythical man month, because no mythical man, not because no mythical month. 923018;1416019960;mircea_popescu;Adlai this, because industry is increasingly a piece of shit. 923019;1416019968;ben_vulpes;yet somehow programmers are supposed to be a dime a doze? 923020;1416019970;ben_vulpes;dozen? 923021;1416019990;Adlai;dime a doze sounds closer to reality 923022;1416020003;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes the sort of "programmers" that "add features" should actually be charged to go to work. 923023;1416020033;mircea_popescu;like, gavin et all, should pay a daily fee to be allowed into the amusement park where they pretend like they matter 923024;1416020039;mircea_popescu;much like people pay to go to the theatre. 923025;1416020066;mircea_popescu;much like strippers and whores pay for their place of work, don't get paid by the landlord. 923026;1416020070;ben_vulpes;they are paying, the bill just isn't due yet. 923027;1416020074;mircea_popescu;i guess. 923028;1416020200;bagels7;being a whore is > working minimum wage your whole life 923029;1416020229;mircea_popescu;depends. spinoza managed just fine on minimum wage. 923030;1416020287;ben_vulpes;huh i think mine's wedged elsewhere 923031;1416020297;ben_vulpes;nope nm 923032;1416020341;mircea_popescu;chain reorg ? 923033;1416020374;mircea_popescu;"Despite being drowned in graceful donations and membership fees, they just keep piling new and new code without proper specification and proper testing, making mistakes or even forks inevitable and thus providing cover for abominable interests." 923034;1416020383;mircea_popescu;you know, jurov is actually a very talented historian. 923035;1416020389;mircea_popescu;i like his story best so far. 923036;1416020450;Adlai;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-11-2014#923008 << a first step in some sort of appropriate direction could be http://organofcorti.blogspot.ru/2014/11/daily-and-weekly-bitcoin-transaction.html although that article doesn't go far enough for interesting results 923037;1416020450;assbot;Logged on 15-11-2014 02:49:52; mircea_popescu: Adlai afaik there was never in the entire history of bitcoin proposed some sort of credible / evidenced based interepretation of wtf it does. 923038;1416020450;assbot;Neighbourhood Pool Watch: Daily and weekly bitcoin transaction cycles 923039;1416020474;mircea_popescu;Adlai i meant, "wtf s.mpoe price does" 923040;1416020480;mircea_popescu;i thought that's what you were asking about. 923041;1416020487;Adlai;ah. well, both? 923042;1416020557;ben_vulpes;Adlai: bitcoin days destroyed is a good correlation to check too 923043;1416020577;Adlai;that, and block reward (fee amount, as opposed to fee count) 923044;1416020597;ben_vulpes;what's the thesis on block reward? 923045;1416020621;Adlai;not specifically relating to mpoe, more for possible next steps for analyzing bitcoin network activity metrics 923046;1416020667;Adlai;the article i linked looks just at confirmed transaction count, which is a narrow metric of all the stuff happening across the bitcoin network 923047;1416020766;*;Adlai looks at http://www.btcalpha.com/mpex/stocks/s-mpoe/ to place this activity in historical context 923048;1416020767;assbot;S.MPOE Analysis - Btc Alpha 923049;1416020783;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo, mircea_popescu, qntra folks: http://www.loper-os.org/pub/lenta.html 923050;1416020783;assbot;lenta 923051;1416020910;mircea_popescu;aha ? 923052;1416020925;asciilifeform;translation mine. very quick'n'dirty. 923053;1416021127;Adlai;while people might not treat people as interchangeable, dama fortuna does. "shit happens", especially in warzones... is the revelation in this article supposed to be surprising? 923054;1416021151;*;Adlai probably used the word "article" a little liberally there 923055;1416021156;asciilifeform;only to victims of usg cranial reformatting. 923056;1416021361;thestringpuller;asciilifeform: qntra submission? 923057;1416021372;asciilifeform;http://www.zerohedge.com/sites/default/files/images/user5/imageroot/2014/07/MH%2017%20flight%20paths_0.png 923058;1416021382;asciilifeform;^ 'he ran into my knife! he ran into my knife - ten times.' 923059;1416021393;asciilifeform;thestringpuller: yes, nominated for consideration on qntra 923060;1416021397;asciilifeform;or however that goes. 923061;1416021404;*;asciilifeform has no idea 923062;1416021422;thestringpuller;cazalla ^^^ 923063;1416021436;asciilifeform;and, 923064;1416021437;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-11-2014#917653 923065;1416021437;assbot;Logged on 12-11-2014 00:20:12; mircea_popescu: i don't see you churning out an article a week about how "evil nato" and "nice putin" 923066;1416021462;cazalla;thestringpuller, not up to date on logs so no idea what this conversation is about yet 923067;1416021463;asciilifeform;message to moscow - can i pleez get thirty coins of silver now. 923068;1416021486;asciilifeform;cazalla: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-11-2014#923049 923069;1416021486;assbot;Logged on 15-11-2014 03:06:23; asciilifeform: BingoBoingo, mircea_popescu, qntra folks: http://www.loper-os.org/pub/lenta.html 923070;1416021539;assbot;Last 18 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/0FCDYXH.txt ) 923071;1416021539;Adlai;!b 18 923072;1416021567;Adlai;that is some impressive lazyness, cazalla. i like it. 923073;1416021591;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16402 @ 0.00043481 = 7.1318 BTC [+] 923074;1416021669;cazalla;Adlai, i read the logs daily, just yet to finish today 923075;1416021774;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AMHASH2] 1249 @ 0.0012 = 1.4988 BTC 923076;1416021792;thestringpuller;Adlai: cazalla has a media empire to run 923077;1416021855;*;Adlai is exponentially more likely to have read a log entry, according to the shortest path from the present moment back in time to the target entry, where b-a.com links are weighted roughly the same as simply reading backwards 923078;1416022019;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: 0.5.3 and earlier have wallets, and all the concomittant braindamage... << the wallet code oughn't be snipped outright, but corralled. for later porting to msdos. 923079;1416022036;Adlai;now that's an interesting hypothesis to test: a bot lurks and tracks "shortest path" to each past message, then records when i link it as opposed to somebody else links it to me 923080;1416022042;asciilifeform;(well, not necessarily msdos. any sufficiently deterministic system.) 923081;1416022050;Adlai;for increasingly stoned values of "interesting" 923082;1416022127;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=25-10-2014#894581 << that thread. 923083;1416022127;assbot;Logged on 25-10-2014 03:56:49; asciilifeform: the correct solution is that (now unix-only) turdcoind will listen on a tty. serial tty. 923084;1416022251;decimation;asciilifeform: ideally in hardware, with physically separate ports 923085;1416022279;thestringpuller;can't ssh? no pts? 923086;1416022302;Adlai;https://imgur.com/cuVBhfh 923087;1416022362;decimation;thestringpuller: you want to ssh to your wallet? 923088;1416022365;thestringpuller;i ssh to my spending wallet 923089;1416022381;thestringpuller;but given buterin's waterfall I emptied it out 923090;1416022445;cazalla;asciilifeform, as much as i appreciate the translation (my primary school teacher died on mh17), it's a bit of a stretch for qntra to publish it as bitcoin news 923091;1416022466;Adlai;http://i.imgur.com/cuVBhfh << ie, "advertising costs, PR, and miscellaneous" outweighed "ipo fees" during these months 923092;1416022526;cazalla;i mean, i see the angle given governments but still 923093;1416022526;Adlai;*these last 15 months 923094;1416022526;cazalla;Adlai, i'm up to date on logs now btw 923095;1416022526;decimation;how do these 'northern route' theorists discount the satellite contacts from the engine control systems? 923096;1416022587;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13737 @ 0.00042921 = 5.8961 BTC [-] 923097;1416022596;Adlai;or, in the king's english: MPOE needs to increase IPOs/¼ 923098;1416022605;Adlai;or mpex 923099;1416022654;*;Adlai can never quite tell the two apart, sorta like body/blood and bread/wine 923100;1416022683;decimation;asciilifeform: re: our conversation about uav control systems: http://intercepts.defensenews.com/2014/10/why-air-force-drones-rely-on-horsehair-to-land/ << "That’s because the MQ-1/9 are controlled on Ku-Band, which has a two second delay back to the States ... Because of that, launch and recovery experts — trained specifically at Creech AFB for this part of the operation — are based much closer to the area of operations and 923101;1416022743;decimation;use C-band, which has no delay. " 923102;1416022743;cazalla;it is interesting they release the images just as the g20 starts here in australia 923103;1416022743;thestringpuller;adlai that image won't load 923104;1416022800;Adlai;https://i.imgur.com/cuVBhfh.png?0 "MPOE Net Expenses" snipped from http://www.btcalpha.com/mpex/stocks/s-mpoe/#cash_flow 923105;1416022920;thestringpuller;Adlai do you know about MPCD? 923106;1416022920;Adlai;(link works through torify curl, not sure why anything else should fail) 923107;1416022926;Adlai;!s mpcd 923108;1416022927;assbot;2 results for 'mpcd' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=mpcd 923109;1416022957;thestringpuller;yup 923110;1416022977;Adlai;mpcd = 1JPvucRfu3ZzEvfBUQTJwsxMrZjeTqD6zR ? 923111;1416022987;decimation;;;ticker 923112;1416022988;gribble;Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 394.74, Best ask: 395.71, Bid-ask spread: 0.97000, Last trade: 394.71, 24 hour volume: 18807.38370404, 24 hour low: 382.95, 24 hour high: 415.0, 24 hour vwap: 396.951568236 923113;1416023023;thestringpuller;https://bitcointa.lk/threads/mpex-cdo-roll-call-for-bond-issuers.50044/#post-798717 923114;1416023056;thestringpuller;For the reason MPCD failed, is likely the reason MPIF is struggling to find profit centers. 923115;1416023069;thestringpuller;Which effects the entire MPOE economy. 923116;1416023078;thestringpuller;MPEx* 923117;1416023293;asciilifeform;;;isup qntra.net 923118;1416023294;gribble;qntra.net is up 923119;1416023297;asciilifeform;odd. 923120;1416023316;asciilifeform;entirely dead here. 923121;1416023319;assbot; its been down for 20min 923122;1416023323;joecool;dead here too 923123;1416023378;asciilifeform;cazalla: if blob is unfit for qntra - whatever. 923124;1416023563;Adlai;well, it looks like MPCD "failed" (the contract didn't fail, the shares "just" lost value) due to investing in what could be called "rockstar investors", who seem to make a habit of burning out spectacularly, taking half the fanbase with them 923125;1416023659;Adlai;more than any bug i've (inadvertently? subliminally coerced into?) introduced to scalpl, i regret the times that i've manually tweaked its trading parameters, and contaminated its performance data with human idiosyncrasies 923126;1416023680;decimation;qntra.net is dead here too 923127;1416023694;decimation;someone is messing with routing tables 923128;1416023750;decimation;trilema is dead too 923129;1416023758;asciilifeform;aha. 923130;1416023774;decimation;they are on neighboring subnets 923131;1416023797;Adlai;;;isup qntra.net 923132;1416023798;gribble;qntra.net is up 923133;1416023820;assbot; log1 as well, same box afaik 923134;1416023846;thestringpuller;same problem decimation 923135;1416023939;assbot; its probably our friend 'little numbers' as i call him. he visited bitbet earlier for a moment. 923136;1416023961;decimation;my router bounces from telia to an isp in pheomix called "cwie llc" 923137;1416023968;decimation;traceroute that is 923138;1416023981;decimation;s/phoemix/phoenix/ 923139;1416023985;assbot; phoenix? would be correct. 923140;1416024124;decimation;is that you kako? 923141;1416024155;asciilifeform;thestringpuller: can't ssh? no pts? << there is no reason why wallet should be routable to the net. 923142;1416024168;asciilifeform;thestringpuller: idea was - optoisolated point to point serial link. 923143;1416024183;asciilifeform;wallet - 'speaks when spoken to.' 923144;1416024185;asciilifeform;and not otherwise. 923145;1416024200;asciilifeform;and only when spoken to through the rx/tx wire. 923146;1416024201;assbot; would you believe me either way? 923147;1416024224;decimation;sure, if you responded as kako 923148;1416024450;decimation;asciilifeform: yeah that was my point.. just because something could be 'on the net' doesn't mean it should 923149;1416024566;thestringpuller;asciilifeform: i understand 923150;1416024686;decimation;!up cascadian_lurker 923151;1416024729;cascadian_lurker;thanks d 923152;1416024747;cascadian_lurker;dunno how to tab complete on a pnohe 923153;1416024756;decimation;lol 923154;1416024836;cascadian_lurker;logs down? 923155;1416024871;decimation;log1 is down for me, log isn't 923156;1416024911;cascadian_lurker;I get no love at either endpoint 923157;1416025299;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26764 @ 0.00043157 = 11.5505 BTC [+] 923158;1416025600;assbot; log2 anyone? 923159;1416025722;assbot; log1 is back 923160;1416025865;cazalla;qntra is back 923161;1416025975;decimation;was the server down? 923162;1416026148;cazalla;not sure, i just f5 f5 f5 f5 like anyone else 923163;1416026617;BingoBoingo;assbot: SKip 2, loge 923164;1416026649;cazalla;when looking for news, i come across quite a few MLM schemes for bitcoin such as bitcoincycler.net, quite a few use pic/video of JuliaTourianski_ lol 923165;1416026690;cazalla;putin v aussie pm - http://i.imgur.com/orNOUF5.png 923166;1416026821;decimation;once when I emerged from the Tube in London I was handed one of those free tabloids by some bum. I was amazed at the extremely low quality writing, and pro-welfare ads 923167;1416026931;The20YearIRCloud;Sport, decimation ? 923168;1416026970;decimation;eh? 923169;1416027037;The20YearIRCloud;Weekend/sunday/weekday sport 923170;1416027069;decimation;yeah I guess that's why people don't immediately toss in the rubbish bid 923171;1416027069;The20YearIRCloud;https://twitter.com/thesundaysport 923172;1416027071;assbot;Sunday Sport (@thesundaysport) | Twitter 923173;1416027109;decimation;eh, it could have been. I felt dirty touching the thing, didn't examine it closely 923174;1416027111;The20YearIRCloud;I love their 'articles', locally we used to have weekly world news, and it went under. However in the UK for some reason tabloids are HUGE there. Along with soap operas 923175;1416027127;The20YearIRCloud;http://www.sundaysport.com/?p=17812 923176;1416027128;assbot;DRUNK BONKS DONER KEBAB | Sunday Sport 923177;1416027140;decimation;this stuff makes the daily mail look classy 923178;1416027226;The20YearIRCloud;https://twitter.com/thesundaysport/status/531177165212360704 923179;1416027229;assbot;Warning: Don't buff your ballbag on a shoe shine machine. Here's why - in tomorrow's /thesundaysport http://t.co/moIlQF7RUE 923180;1416027269;decimation;here's the american version http://dailycaller.com/2014/11/14/gruber-has-made-at-least-5-9-million-for-government-work/ 923181;1416027270;assbot;Gruber Has Made At Least $5.9 Million For Government Work | The Daily Caller 923182;1416027361;The20YearIRCloud;That's a website though i think, the sport is an actual magazine in most places 923183;1416027433;decimation;why don't they have tabloids based in say columbus? 923184;1416027469;The20YearIRCloud;We have a few in the US, and they're all celeb rags. We *had* WWN but they went under 923185;1416027478;The20YearIRCloud;We'll never know what happened to batboy unfortunately 923186;1416027525;The20YearIRCloud;They still have a site, but no one visits it : http://weeklyworldnews.com/headlines/54540/chicago-to-be-renamed-obama-city/ 923187;1416027526;assbot; CHICAGO TO BE RENAMED “OBAMA CITY” | Weekly World News 923188;1416027538;decimation;lol 923189;1416027659;decimation;The20YearIRCloud: do you do any business in franklin county? 923190;1416027693;The20YearIRCloud;Housewise? No, not a fan of their zoning & property inspection board. If we grow enough i'm sure i'll HAVE to go there, but for now i'd like to avoid it. 923191;1416027719;The20YearIRCloud;One of the counties we're in has virtually no permiting process for home repairs, if I did the stuff I'm doing there in Columbus I'd of had 5 figures worth of fines. 923192;1416027730;The20YearIRCloud;(Of course, I'd of got a permit in Franklin, but I hate the idea of it all). 923193;1416027734;decimation;do you think that's because they are in the union trade's pockets? 923194;1416027757;The20YearIRCloud;That wouldn't surprise me much, but they also have had coleman who is a ultra-liberal for years and years. 923195;1416027781;The20YearIRCloud;He's got a big claim to fame because he's good at 'renovating' poor districts, he does it by moving all the poor people from one neighborhood to another. 923196;1416027821;The20YearIRCloud;Downtown was a cesspool, then they kicked everyone out and made it so only rich could live there, alot of those moved to the short north. Then they did the same thing with the short north and all those people moved to Linden and Hilltop. 923197;1416027899;decimation;I've heard the short north is popular with the kids around osu 923198;1416027907;The20YearIRCloud;I had a house up there I was dealing with for someone, and I had roofers up there doing work. Zoning came by and complained that we hadn't bought the $100 permit, so they forced the guys off the roof even though it was going to rain soon and wouldn't let them put the tarp up there till there was a permit. 923199;1416027965;decimation;this as much as anyone 'owns' a house in the us 923200;1416028011;The20YearIRCloud;Well, you can drive 45 minutes outside of a columbus where you can buy land, build a smoke factory and the county asks for a $5 paperwork fee and literally nothing else 923201;1416028035;decimation;heh 923202;1416028084;The20YearIRCloud;So, if I can go into a neighborhood where they really don't want me there, and one where the city bends over backwards to try and help me out, i'll go with the second one 923203;1416028091;The20YearIRCloud;Especially if the yields in both are almost identical 923204;1416028170;decimation;well, that's a fair point. 923205;1416028196;decimation;I imagine property tax in columbus and the 'burbs is sky high too 923206;1416028205;The20YearIRCloud;it's higher, it isn't astronomical though 923207;1416028223;The20YearIRCloud;A cheap house where we're working will run $450-$800 , same house in Columbus would be $1000-$1200 923208;1416028227;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23499 @ 0.00042279 = 9.9351 BTC [-] 923209;1416028272;The20YearIRCloud;of course the scale of markets is quite different. In the 4 counties I expect to be able to find maybe 200 quality properties a year. In franklin I could find 200 a month easily. 923210;1416028312;decimation;for the quality of hovel you are buying and fixing, wouldn't it be cheaper to buy a few empty plots and buy some trailers or 'tiny homes' or whatever 923211;1416028368;decimation;I guess you gotta pay for utilities, etc in that case 923212;1416028375;The20YearIRCloud;You seen the houses we own? 923213;1416028405;The20YearIRCloud;I haven't delt with trailers yet, I want to but it's a different deal since you have to develop them out (including sewage) which is an EPA deal you can't get around easily. 923214;1416028410;decimation;I recall you saying a few months ago that they are all really old 923215;1416028420;The20YearIRCloud;Yeah, they are, but all are in good shape 923216;1416028453;decimation;yeah I guess where you are there is no water or sewage 923217;1416028469;The20YearIRCloud;It depends on where you want to do the trailer 923218;1416028473;decimation;septic systems are not cheap 923219;1416028478;The20YearIRCloud;Our first one was 2000sf, 5+br , 2ba, attached garage, built in 1880 and it turned out great 923220;1416028483;The20YearIRCloud;$10k-$20k 923221;1416028541;decimation;back in that time that would have been a mansion 923222;1416028548;decimation;or a multi-family house 923223;1416028623;The20YearIRCloud;Here's a bunch of random photos I had on my cellphone - https://www.dropbox.com/sc/rpzhm6eb5c14upe/AADe8OLgg4k-LFt2Xs3No9CEa 923224;1416028683;The20YearIRCloud;It would have been a medium/high level person's house. It's near downtown and is only a few houses away from a speakeasy that was in operation during prohibition. It sold recently (the speakeasy) for around $200k. 923225;1416028745;decimation;that's pretty nice inside actually 923226;1416028749;decimation;better than a trailer anyway 923227;1416028754;The20YearIRCloud;Those are 3 or 4 different houses 923228;1416028768;decimation;that first kitchen is nice 923229;1416028777;decimation;was that the amish fellows who cleaned it up? 923230;1416028783;The20YearIRCloud;I know I joke about owning slum houses, but they're all actually very nice. I underprice our rentals by maybe 5%-10% under normal market prices, and keep em in slightly better shape. 923231;1416028795;The20YearIRCloud;That first kitchen was the first complete rehab we did on a kitchen, every single thing there is brand new. 923232;1416028843;The20YearIRCloud;Second kitchen photo is from a duplex we just bought for $30k ($15k a side) 923233;1416029007;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform that flgiuht path thing is not nearly as indicative as it may seem to the casual observer. 923234;1416029014;mircea_popescu;flight paths in europe are seasonal. 923235;1416029118;mircea_popescu;Adlai: now that's an interesting hypothesis to test: a bot lurks and tracks "shortest path" to each past message, then records when i link it as opposed to somebody else links it to me <<< actually a reconstruction of the ba logs where lines are nodes and they're given pr as per original google mechanism may be the first step towards stemming this whole bundle. 923236;1416029290;Adlai;right, but then you can look at properties of the graph's flow to draw wildly overzealous conclusions about the attentiveness and lazyness of real live humans 923237;1416029712;mircea_popescu;decimation:trilema is dead too << still ? 923238;1416029743;BingoBoingo;http://m.tn.com.ar/deportes/tremendo/indignante-el-presidente-de-textil-mandiyu-le-robo-a-sus-jugadores-con-la-ayuda-de-los-barras_544582 923239;1416029803;decimation;yeah it's still down for me 923240;1416029803;mircea_popescu;decimation: my router bounces from telia to an isp in pheomix called "cwie llc" <<< this sounds like a route hijack then. qntra is in amsterdam. 923241;1416029803;decimation;interestingly I'm getting pings through, very very slowly 923242;1416029803;mircea_popescu;what ip ? 923243;1416029810;assbot; qntra is on phoenix nap, amsterdam. 923244;1416029820;mircea_popescu;http://qntra.net/2014/11/cfpbs-proposed-rules-governing-prepaid-cards-include-virtual-currency/ 923245;1416029880;decimation;is it hosted by 'secured servers'? 923246;1416029880;mircea_popescu;the heck can i see it then ? 923247;1416029880;assbot; ;;isup also everything even if it not a valid url 923248;1416029881;gribble;also everything even if it not a valid url is up 923249;1416029887;mircea_popescu;anyway, this is proving impossible to debug, people not seeing it pls to pastebin traceroutes at the time you don't see it. 923250;1416029906;mircea_popescu;uh so that's broken ? 923251;1416029915;mircea_popescu;;;isup example.com 923252;1416029915;gribble;example.com is up 923253;1416029916;decimation;hehe yeah 923254;1416029920;mircea_popescu;gah 923255;1416029925;decimation;;;isup isuck.com 923256;1416029926;gribble;isuck.com is up 923257;1416029939;assbot; "example.com" actually is up 923258;1416029954;mircea_popescu;internet needs a canoniucal down domain 923259;1416029971;mircea_popescu;;;isup obamacare.com 923260;1416029971;gribble;obamacare.com is up 923261;1416029981;decimation;;;isup canonicaldowndomain.com 923262;1416029982;gribble;canonicaldowndomain.com is down 923263;1416029986;decimation;lol 923264;1416029986;mircea_popescu;aha! 923265;1416030005;assbot; decimation yes its hosted there 923266;1416030017;mircea_popescu;http://log1.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-11-2014#923264 << srsly 923267;1416030017;assbot;Logged on 15-11-2014 05:39:46; mircea_popescu: aha! 923268;1416030023;mircea_popescu;so how the fuck then! 923269;1416030031;decimation;well they have a pheonix pop 923270;1416030042;decimation;who knows how shit gets routed 923271;1416030046;BingoBoingo;;;isup test.down 923272;1416030047;gribble;test.down is down 923273;1416030070;assbot; that entry is wrong, its routed just fine to ams 923274;1416030074;mircea_popescu;assbot : pm lol 923275;1416030121;mircea_popescu;also, re earlier discussion : http://i.imgur.com/0C5fmGB.jpg 923276;1416030182;decimation;is that your picture of an ohio hovel? 923277;1416030182;mircea_popescu;lol 923278;1416030237;mircea_popescu;http://23.235.236.98 923279;1416030297;decimation;yeah qntra is up 923280;1416030297;decimation;I donno, it smells to me like a server problem 923281;1416030366;joecool;responding to ping for me, nothing else 923282;1416030368;mircea_popescu;how the fuck. the server has been up all along, the load is like 0.1 or some shit for the hour. 923283;1416030384;joecool;mircea_popescu: nginx or whatever other server you use on it crashed? 923284;1416030389;decimation;interesting 923285;1416030397;mircea_popescu;joecool nope. 923286;1416030412;mircea_popescu;how the fuck would i see pages on a crashed server anyway. 923287;1416030425;cazalla;is that Bruno Kucinskas all there in the head? he reckons patrick murck raped like 30 kids 923288;1416030477;mircea_popescu;phin gage is a little strange. he does tons of research, some of which is useufl. 923289;1416030533;Adlai;;;isup http://dead.link/ 923290;1416030593;gribble;http://dead.link/ is down 923291;1416030620;Adlai;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-11-2014#923258 << localhost:0 923292;1416030620;assbot;Logged on 15-11-2014 05:39:14; mircea_popescu: internet needs a canoniucal down domain 923293;1416030654;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 42500 @ 0.00043684 = 18.5657 BTC [+] {2} 923294;1416030746;mircea_popescu;;;isup localhost:0 923295;1416030747;gribble;localhost:0 is up 923296;1416030751;mircea_popescu;so muh for that idea. 923297;1416030833;Adlai;;;isup http://localhost:0/ 923298;1416030893;gribble;http://localhost:0/ is up 923299;1416030893;Adlai;hmph. 923300;1416030893;Adlai;curl: (7) Failed to connect to localhost port 0: Connection refused 923301;1416030893;*;Adlai wonders what's running on... some server 923302;1416030903;assbot; ;;isup adlais penis 923303;1416030904;gribble;adlais penis is up 923304;1416030929;assbot;Last 3 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/1MAK2HC.txt ) 923305;1416030929;BingoBoingo;!b 3 923306;1416030977;assbot; ha, im unbashable 923307;1416031006;BingoBoingo;lol 923308;1416031041;decimation;the server is up, it looks to me that there is at least one route that is being ddosed/constantly reset 923309;1416031065;*;Adlai was wondering about ;;isup's server, should've !b5ed for that context 923310;1416031079;mircea_popescu;decimation the best i can come up with is that yes, some weakly router that is nevertheless for insane unexplainable reason priority route from the us is constantly fucked up 923311;1416031092;mircea_popescu;and im not even sure that i can do anything about it other than write angry letters. 923312;1416031111;decimation;yeah probably not 923313;1416031125;decimation;someone might have figured out how to trip the 'anti-ddos rate-limit' trap 923314;1416031137;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3784 @ 0.00042279 = 1.5998 BTC [-] 923315;1416031143;BingoBoingo;At this rate we might need a router foundation! 923316;1416031145;mircea_popescu;why does it only catch you folk ? 923317;1416031187;decimation;I donno. if there is some theoretical anti-ddos filter, it might try to limit its action to certain subnets? 923318;1416031200;mircea_popescu;maybe ? 923319;1416031213;mircea_popescu;anyway, i'm having this looked into, but i tell you i dun even know wtf. 923320;1416031315;*;BingoBoingo hasn't had trouble accessing qntra in quite a while a few hundred miles from geographic center of USia 923321;1416031336;decimation;yeah in theory the internet has all kinds of redundant routing, in practice there are many chokepoints it would seem 923322;1416031347;Adlai;lizard nazis probing the turmite colony's readership habits 923323;1416031356;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo so can you load it right now ? 923324;1416031375;BingoBoingo;Yeah, loads all kinds of fast 923325;1416031396;mircea_popescu;dude srsly... 923326;1416031437;RagnarDanneskjol;i just tried it from multiple IPs in US and EU - no luck here 923327;1416031475;decimation;I can get to qntra, but not trilema 923328;1416031484;joecool;qntra works from romanian ip 923329;1416031499;decimation;ah, now trilema works for me 923330;1416031502;mircea_popescu;o.O 923331;1416031517;joecool;lets try some other countries 923332;1416031521;mircea_popescu;joecool of course, i'm in argentina... 923333;1416031543;mircea_popescu;decimation this sporadic working no working would seem to mean route. 923334;1416031579;joecool;works from UK 923335;1416031607;decimation;yeah it could be some kind of route poisoning 923336;1416031615;mircea_popescu;the future of ba is point to point cabling it'd seem. 923337;1416031626;decimation;no - shortwave 923338;1416031641;Adlai;works now. 923339;1416031645;Adlai;(from tel aviv) 923340;1416031664;joecool;works back in 'murica now 923341;1416031667;joecool;they're onto us 923342;1416031679;mircea_popescu;maybe it's bitchbased. 923343;1416031754;BingoBoingo;Ass end of my traceroute to qntra.net http://dpaste.com/1QTVGPF 923344;1416031815;BingoBoingo;1up fivezerotwo 923345;1416031822;BingoBoingo;!up fivezerotwo 923346;1416031852;joecool;BingoBoingo: looks same as mine except i have a ??? between the last two 923347;1416031852;fivezerotwo;hello again. so assbot appears to be hosted on this server, interesting 923348;1416031868;fivezerotwo;have fun figuring out what this attack is ^_^ 923349;1416031871;assbot; not rly. 923350;1416031895;fivezerotwo;assbot, well it was taking a while to respond here 923351;1416031905;Adlai;!s fivezerotwo 923352;1416031906;assbot;154 results for 'fivezerotwo' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=fivezerotwo 923353;1416031924;assbot; im a slow typist. 923354;1416031945;fivezerotwo;lol 923355;1416031963;*;Adlai toils and link graph bubbles 923356;1416032336;mircea_popescu;In the beginning there was assembler. And programming was hard. The semantic gap between how humans think about problems and what we knew how to tell computers to do was vast; our ability to manage complexity was deficient. And in the gap software defects did flourish, multiplying in direct proportion to the size of the programs we wrote. 923357;1416032336;mircea_popescu;And the lives of programmers were hard, and the case of their end-users miserable; for, strive as the programmers might, perfection was achieved only in toy programs while in real-world systems the defect rate was nigh-intolerable. And there was much wailing and gnashing of teeth. 923358;1416032341;mircea_popescu;this is the stupidest thing i ever read. 923359;1416032351;mircea_popescu;i have NEVER and I do mean NEVER saw programs as good as bacxk in the days of asm. 923360;1416032370;mircea_popescu;i don't even think code as tight can still be made, much like you can't have a proper boot made anymore, and hardly a proper suit of clothes. 923361;1416032385;mircea_popescu;certainly not a top hat. 923362;1416032433;mircea_popescu;anyway, maybe their lives were harder, but 1960s programmers certainly seem happier. 923363;1416032465;mircea_popescu;perhaps because asm hard is the proper sort of hard. whereas dependency hell and library cruft is the horribly bad sort of hard. 923364;1416032485;decimation;well, the systems were small enough to 'fit in the head' as ascii might say 923365;1416032486;mircea_popescu;climbing a mountain versus diving in a septic tank sort of hard. 923366;1416032486;Adlai;!s bacxk 923367;1416032486;assbot;2 results for 'bacxk' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=bacxk 923368;1416032524;Adlai;oh it's a typo 923369;1416032565;assbot; !b 3 923370;1416032573;mircea_popescu;lol you ocd soul you. 923371;1416032660;assbot; ;;echo !b 5 923372;1416032661;assbot;Last 5 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/3WFTZ0G.txt ) 923373;1416032661;gribble;!b 5 923374;1416032696;assbot; nope, not satisfactory 923375;1416032723;mircea_popescu;;;echo !echo ;;echo !b 18 923376;1416032724;gribble;!echo ;;echo !b 18 923377;1416032730;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13350 @ 0.00042279 = 5.6442 BTC [-] 923378;1416032886;mircea_popescu;;;google horatiu capastru 923379;1416032886;gribble;Iunie 2009 pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.: ; Gandesc, deci gandesc pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.: 923380;1416032893;Adlai;;;google recursion 923381;1416032894;gribble;Recursion - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: ; Recursion (computer science) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: ; Recursion -- from Wolfram MathWorld: 923382;1416032906;Adlai;hm, no link to the google results page? 923383;1416033055;thestringpuller;;;isup qntra.net 923384;1416033056;*;Adlai is talking about "Did you mean: recursion " 923385;1416033057;gribble;qntra.net is up 923386;1416033067;thestringpuller;qntra still down for anyone in US? 923387;1416033074;mircea_popescu;is it for you ? 923388;1416033091;thestringpuller;yessir 923389;1416033133;decimation;qntra.net is down for me now, trilema too 923390;1416033145;fivezerotwo;mircea_popescu, it's down, I'm sure. http://check-host.net/check-http?host=qntra.net 923391;1416033205;*;mircea_popescu shrugs 923392;1416033205;TheNewDeal;bitbet is raging on 923393;1416033424;thestringpuller;http://dpaste.com/3H14489.txt << when asking coinbase about buterin's waterfall 923394;1416033481;mircea_popescu;lol why harassing indians. 923395;1416033496;Adlai;thestringpuller: why not link in http://qntra.net/2014/11/bip-65-revisiting-nlocktime/ to the polished code? https://github.com/adlai/bitcoin/blob/polish/src/main.h#L397 923396;1416033511;assbot;BIP-65: Revisiting nLockTime | Qntra.net 923397;1416033571;mircea_popescu;wait was this supposed to work ?! 923398;1416033597;thestringpuller;Adlai: i can't see the article yet so I can't answer the question 923399;1416033625;mircea_popescu;thestringpuller it's your article from yest 923400;1416033628;mircea_popescu;or w/e the 13th was 923401;1416033639;Adlai;or if you don't want to use the polish fork for some reason, https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/blob/v0.5.3/src/main.h#L403 923402;1416033699;TheNewDeal;!sideways fivezerotwo 923403;1416033699;Adlai;thestringpuller: BIP65 article, link to CTransaction::nLockTime 923404;1416033752;thestringpuller;yes I see. does it really matter? 923405;1416033820;thestringpuller;just a uint32 variable I was trying to show 923406;1416033969;Adlai;nope 923407;1416033982;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: i don't even think code as tight can still be made, much like you can't have a proper boot made... << oh but it can. 923408;1416033997;mircea_popescu;maybe. 923409;1416034031;decimation;asciilifeform: on new hardware? 923410;1416034043;asciilifeform;decimation: on whatever hardware. 923411;1416034087;asciilifeform;decimation: another generation or three of 'this', and hardware will look like the same shitfest as os/sw stack is now. fortunately 'this' doesn't have even one generation left in it. 923412;1416034116;mircea_popescu;so we hope. 923413;1416034121;mircea_popescu;if they find fusion, it does. 923414;1416034137;decimation;'this' being the current state of computing? 923415;1416034139;asciilifeform;if they find fusion, laser wars between flying machines. 923416;1416034145;asciilifeform;hopefully everything is destroyed. 923417;1416034145;thestringpuller;hmm. am I on qntra blacklist? 923418;1416034151;thestringpuller;@mircea_popescu 923419;1416034187;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 61450 @ 0.0004271 = 26.2453 BTC [+] {2} 923420;1416034187;decimation;I want my pocket laser gun 923421;1416034229;asciilifeform;incidentally, for implications of working fusion, straight to: 923422;1416034233;asciilifeform;!s you and the atomic bomb 923423;1416034234;assbot;8 results for 'you and the atomic bomb' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=you+and+the+atomic+bomb 923424;1416034244;asciilifeform;applies just as readily here as it did in 1945 re: fission. 923425;1416034261;mircea_popescu;thestringpuller it dun has a blacklist 923426;1416034271;decimation;imagine 'future war' where your squad as a 'laser machine gun'. In order to take the next hill, you need to lay down suppressing fire. the laser machine gunner opens up, and the enemy doesn't notice 923427;1416034273;asciilifeform;qntra dead here. 923428;1416034284;decimation;qntra is dead, but trilmea just popped up again 923429;1416034285;asciilifeform;lol, laser suppressing fire 923430;1416034290;thestringpuller;guess east coast thing 923431;1416034292;asciilifeform;what next, laser musketry volley? 923432;1416034296;decimation;maybe he can screw 'pew pew pew' 923433;1416034302;thestringpuller;;;lasers 923434;1416034302;gribble;┌━ ┄ ┄ ┄ ┄ ┄ ┄ *pew!* *pew!* *pew!* 923435;1416034308;decimation;s/screw/scream/ 923436;1416034338;decimation;I suspect that fusion-powered robots will be doing most of the fighting anyway 923437;1416034340;Adlai;asciilifeform: if you want to find when bitcoin started to have value, just look at when people began hoarding it: http://bitcoin.stackexchange.com/a/2881 suggests the april 2010 as the start of hoarding 923438;1416034401;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17350 @ 0.00042279 = 7.3354 BTC [-] 923439;1416034401;asciilifeform;decimation: meatbags will still do 100% of the dying. 923440;1416034401;decimation;sure 923441;1416034401;decimation;plus robot ninjas are expensive 923442;1416034444;mircea_popescu; what next, laser musketry volley? <<< srsly. what's this supression fire, like laser welding ? 923443;1416034472;mircea_popescu;Adlai what's this "start of hoarding" thing mean ? 923444;1416034475;decimation;I imagine there's going to have to be some kind of visible protocol, otherwise the enemy would simply be confused about what's going on 923445;1416034480;mircea_popescu;the first blocks mined are still unspent. 923446;1416034489;asciilifeform;the enemy can be reasonably certain of his own death. 923447;1416034493;asciilifeform;when it happens. 923448;1416034498;mircea_popescu;decimation if you could fire silent bullets you'd find loud ones because protocol ? 923449;1416034517;decimation;yeah, like full metal jackets 923450;1416034519;mircea_popescu;and wtf is "visible laser" anyway 923451;1416034529;Adlai;mircea_popescu: playing around with the magnitude of "valuable" in http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-11-2014#922718 923452;1416034529;assbot;Logged on 15-11-2014 00:41:00; asciilifeform: because it is the only one which existed upon the earth before bitcoin was valuable! 923453;1416034535;mircea_popescu;not like military grade laser will be like in star trek 923454;1416034538;asciilifeform;visible laser << rayleigh scattering. 923455;1416034555;decimation;right, one that transmits somewhere in the visible spectrum (to humans) 923456;1416034556;asciilifeform;switch on a toy green laser in dark room. 923457;1416034567;Adlai;max paranoia = starting around april 2010, at least one tla began stockpiling coins 923458;1416034572;asciilifeform;switch on large far-ir laser - also visible (!) - heated air 923459;1416034577;decimation;I suspect the first 'military laser' will be infrared 923460;1416034589;mircea_popescu;decimation you're late. the first military laser IS co2, uv. 923461;1416034599;decimation;heh yeah good point 923462;1416034607;decimation;but that wasn't really a man-portable system 923463;1416034612;mircea_popescu;it woulkd be uv and uuv anyway. higher energy better focus less scatter. 923464;1416034614;asciilifeform;which 'military laser' ? there are 1000. 923465;1416034616;Adlai;well, short of satoshi acting in a tla-ish manner, perhaps due to belonging to a tla himself 923466;1416034626;mircea_popescu;;;ud tla 923467;1416034627;gribble;http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=TLA | TLA is a three-letter-acronym for three-letter-acronyms. by uncle tom ... It always have been and will be Lucas and Peyton, TLA (True Love Always). by lp_tla ... 923468;1416034627;decimation;Something you could give to a grunt to replace his rifle 923469;1416034648;mircea_popescu;i doubt you will have man operated lasers anyway 923470;1416034655;mircea_popescu;it'd be 100% drones 923471;1416034656;asciilifeform;what the hell would be the point? 923472;1416034660;mircea_popescu;right ? 923473;1416034663;decimation;exactly 923474;1416034673;asciilifeform;i suppose it's hard to blow yer own brains out with a drone. 923475;1416034677;asciilifeform;although still doable. 923476;1416034683;decimation;or frag your lt 923477;1416034684;mircea_popescu;why hard ? 923478;1416034727;asciilifeform;incidentally, if 'cheap and compact source of infinite energy', the 'plasma rifle' from 'doom', etc. can exist. 923479;1416034728;decimation;actually this brings up a good point, why aren't 'silent guns' more popular in military circles 923480;1416034734;Adlai;"TLA is a three-letter-acronym for three-letter-acronyms." << i'd go as far as/cronyms/gencies/ 923481;1416034740;mircea_popescu;decimation because they can't be made. 923482;1416034741;asciilifeform;ionized atmosphere with laser, pump current through 923483;1416034746;asciilifeform;a la 'jacob's ladder. 923484;1416034759;decimation;are you saying that you can't use a silencer and a sub-sonic round? 923485;1416034759;dub;lockheed are buildinf fusion batteries now 923486;1416034765;dub;wont be long 923487;1416034768;mircea_popescu;so they claim yeah. 923488;1416034781;asciilifeform;decimation: the actual 'silent pistol' does not use a gas silencer. 923489;1416034785;asciilifeform;nor is it entirely silent 923490;1416034791;mircea_popescu;i suppose the next logical bezzle step is a tesla-lockheed merger 923491;1416034796;asciilifeform;(mechanical noise from the action. the bullet still whistles. etc) 923492;1416034809;mircea_popescu;just think, the promise of the electric car married to the promise of the fusion battery 923493;1416034814;decimation;yeah I agree they aren't 100% silent, but the advantages of silence seem to be large 923494;1416034819;asciilifeform;decimation: http://topwar.ru/21240-besshumnyy-patron-hm76-ssha.html 923495;1416034880;asciilifeform;that one. 923496;1416034880;BingoBoingo; are you saying that you can't use a silencer and a sub-sonic round? << Range and terminal energy at the target become huge problems this way 923497;1416034880;asciilifeform;gas stays in. 923498;1416034880;mircea_popescu;decimation swat / town warfare teams use supressed weapons 923499;1416034880;mircea_popescu;mostly so they don't bleed from the ears. 923500;1416034880;decimation;I suppose the idea that the 'standard grunt' is snaking up on someone is unlikely 923501;1416034880;decimation;s/snaking/sneaking/ 923502;1416034880;decimation;but snaking works too 923503;1416034880;thestringpuller;solid snake 923504;1416034880;asciilifeform;incidentally, if the magic fusor can be nudged into chain reaction, it's game over. 923505;1416034892;decimation;asciilifeform: what do you mean, like a fusion bomb? 923506;1416034898;asciilifeform;doesn't even matter if 99 in a hundred men who open theirs, die 923507;1416034918;asciilifeform;decimation: yes. 923508;1416034949;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform not hard to make it limited. 923509;1416034957;asciilifeform;'Had the atomic bomb turned out to be something as cheap and easily manufactured as a bicycle or an alarm clock, it might well have plunged us back into barbarism, but it might, on the other hand, have meant the end of national sovereignty and of the highly-centralised police state. If, as seems to be the case, it is a rare and costly object as difficult to produce as a battleship, it is likelier to put an end 923510;1416034957;asciilifeform;to large-scale wars at the cost of prolonging indefinitely a �peace that is no peace�.' 923511;1416034963;asciilifeform;make it limited << lol 923512;1416034973;asciilifeform;what has been limited by the hand of man, can be un-limited. 923513;1416034977;mircea_popescu;how ? 923514;1416034978;Adlai;thestringpuller: overall though i liked the bip65 article, it was worded neutrally enough that it could almost be tagged 'News' 923515;1416034990;asciilifeform;unless the case is one of 'intrinsic' safety a la fissile mechanics 923516;1416034990;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform has the hand of man enabled the disabled cores in an intel chip ? 923517;1416035005;decimation;right, the 'fissile' bomb runs out of fissile material 923518;1416035011;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: give man a few days with ion beam workstation. 923519;1416035011;mircea_popescu;how do you add deuterium inside the core ? with an enema pump ? 923520;1416035031;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: if you sit down and think about it for a bit, you can figure out six different methods. 923521;1416035038;mircea_popescu;yeah, and ? 923522;1416035042;asciilifeform;'there is no safe that can be kept in the robber's living room.' 923523;1416035043;mircea_popescu;i'd rather think about kim's butt. 923524;1416035053;mircea_popescu;so would 99 men in a 100 923525;1416035061;asciilifeform;aha but we just need the 1. 923526;1416035083;dub;kim dotcom? 923527;1416035083;cazalla;mircea_popescu, working but slowly http://pastebin.com/4XCDXVSi 923528;1416035143;mircea_popescu;well, let's ut it this way : the reason the state does not collapse in a tsunami of violence is not now nor was it ever historically that such would be physically impossible. 923529;1416035143;mircea_popescu;it is always that nobody can be bothered. 923530;1416035143;cazalla;well, qntra is intermittent for me 923531;1416035143;mircea_popescu;otherwise, see the experiences of the various members of the tsar's fambly with artisanal bombs 923532;1416035143;asciilifeform;what if herr frein spent his life contemplating how to rewire his fusor 923533;1416035143;asciilifeform;instead of marksmanship 923534;1416035143;mircea_popescu;dub no, the fat female kim. champagne assgirl. 923535;1416035154;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform this curren state will collapse regardless. not a technical, but a policital problem. it just sucks. 923536;1416035157;mircea_popescu;nothing can save it. 923537;1416035164;asciilifeform;right now it takes more than one man, however enthusiastic, working in his basement for twenty years, to level a city. 923538;1416035184;mircea_popescu;not so 923539;1416035190;mircea_popescu;recall the case of the kid who built his own nuke 923540;1416035193;mircea_popescu;out of smoke detectors ? 923541;1416035197;asciilifeform;except he didn't 923542;1416035206;decimation;he just built a waste site 923543;1416035229;mircea_popescu;well, he didn't work for the full 20 years either. 923544;1416035231;asciilifeform;lovely legend, but fails kindergarten physics. 923545;1416035261;decimation;although thorium is a fissile material 923546;1416035265;mircea_popescu;the sad truth of the matter is that with the current state of manufacturing, i could build my own nuke. wouldn't even take a decade. 923547;1416035277;asciilifeform;at any rate, the operative boojum wouldn't be the demolition of a particular plot of real estate. 923548;1416035280;mircea_popescu;i can centrifuge my own uranium, there's plenty of places where it's directly exploitable etc. 923549;1416035297;asciilifeform;but a demonstration of 'with fiddybucks any discontented sod can now do it where he wants' 923550;1416035300;mircea_popescu;the fact that the iranians don't manage just shows how fucktarded htey are. it's by now a one man job. 923551;1416035313;thestringpuller;Adlai: i don't think it was tagged as news 923552;1416035325;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: use laser separation. 923553;1416035337;mircea_popescu;im not intending to lay out an actualrecipe here 923554;1416035341;mircea_popescu;just making the general point. 923555;1416035342;asciilifeform;1/10000th the cost of conventional gas centrifuge. 923556;1416035354;asciilifeform;above is more or less the recipe 923557;1416035363;decimation;sorting out u235 from the other neutron spewing isotopes isn't trivial 923558;1416035376;asciilifeform;(u-235 and u-238 have different absorption spectra) 923559;1416035388;mircea_popescu;decimation the original bombs were'nt that classy. 923560;1416035391;mircea_popescu;they won a war 923561;1416035397;mircea_popescu;the much classier later versions won no war. 923562;1416035400;mircea_popescu;see what i mean ? 923563;1416035431;asciilifeform;actually iran tried to build laser separator. the men involved - died. and not of industrial accidents. 923564;1416035433;TheNewDeal;thats to be determined 923565;1416035440;asciilifeform;died of 'problems' 923566;1416035454;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform kinda what i mean by "inept iran" 923567;1416035467;asciilifeform;then they went on to the 'old classic' recipe, and made sure to run moar winblows. 923568;1416035471;asciilifeform;(literally) 923569;1416035476;mircea_popescu;state that can't build a pot is one thing. state that can't keep a secret however, deserves to die. 923570;1416035505;Adlai;!s feeling of power 923571;1416035506;assbot;12 results for 'feeling of power' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=feeling+of+power 923572;1416035509;Adlai;excellent 923573;1416035528;asciilifeform;state that can't keep a secret << incidentally, notice that no complete 'dump' for ru nuke of whatever variety ever hit the net. 923574;1416035535;cazalla;mircea_popescu: certainly not a top hat. <<< maybe akubra? nfi on top hats but they have a solid rep 923575;1416035537;Adlai;specifically http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=14-04-2014#624410 923576;1416035537;assbot;Logged on 14-04-2014 18:26:21; gribble: THE FEELING OF POWER by Isaac Asimov Worlds of Science ...: ; The Feeling of Power - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: ; MathFiction: The Feeling of Power (Isaac Asimov) - Alex Kasman: 923577;1416035572;mircea_popescu;cazalla i know specifically what im talking about, because the last looms capable of making the required felt were destroyed a decade ago as part of a family feud. 923578;1416035580;mircea_popescu;the world has physically lost the capacity to produce top hats. 923579;1416035599;mircea_popescu;to me this is much worse news than the extinction of whatever stupid fish or crap 923580;1416035605;decimation;asciilifeform: of course stalin's agents were all over the us bomb as it was being made 923581;1416035607;asciilifeform;aha like the u.s. hbomb tamper foam. 923582;1416035633;cazalla;mircea_popescu, sounds familiar, this story on trilema? 923583;1416035635;asciilifeform;some of us here, imho, shall live to see the felt brought back. 923584;1416035640;mircea_popescu;cazalla not sure, mebbe not. 923585;1416035654;cazalla;something to do with looms is, that i know 923586;1416035689;asciilifeform;;;google fogbank 923587;1416035689;gribble;FOGBANK - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: ; Fog Bank: Capitola's Funnest Bar & Grille: ; Jeffrey Lewis • FOGBANK: 923588;1416035696;asciilifeform;^ relevant 923589;1416035766;decimation;what about the homburg hat http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homburg_%28hat%29 923590;1416036198;BingoBoingo;http://www.theguardian.com/science/2014/nov/14/rosetta-comet-dr-matt-taylor-apology-sexist-shirt#comment-43664788 923591;1416036258;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 41927 @ 0.00042729 = 17.915 BTC [+] 923592;1416036258;mircea_popescu;oh for fucks sake 923593;1416036290;mircea_popescu;fucking idiot. 923594;1416036318;asciilifeform;exam - failed. 923595;1416036319;mircea_popescu;see, it's imbeciles like this that cause trouble. now the point will have to be carved out of some innocent women's skin that nobody gives a shit. 923596;1416036332;mircea_popescu;had he just pointed and laughed at the "offended" idiots we could have just moved on. 923597;1416036352;mircea_popescu;basically matt taylor is personally responsible for a few violent gangrrapes now. 923598;1416036496;mircea_popescu;we need to bully these autistic savants a whole of a lot more, can't be letting the libtards having all the fun. 923599;1416036498;decimation;yeah I don't get it, if your'e gonna wear a shirt with semi-naked women in front of an international audience, show some follow-through 923600;1416036533;asciilifeform;'Knowledge can be lost. Sometimes this is perfectly reasonable: No one knows how to kill and skin a mastodon anymore, for obvious reasons. And cultures frequently lose knowledge as they evolve past it--you'd be hard pressed to find anyone who could write a computer program on punch-cards today. But there is something worrisome about misplacing knowledge that is only a generation or two old. And this happens mor 923601;1416036533;asciilifeform;e often than you might think. ... ... Space enthusiasts say, 'If we can put a man on the moon, why can't we put a man on the moon?' "The answer, Simberg explains, is that we can't "because most of the people who did it are in their dotage or dead, and a lot of it was more art than science."' 923602;1416036541;asciilifeform;( http://www.weeklystandard.com/Content/Public/Articles/000/000/016/479avvbv.asp?pg=2 ) 923603;1416036601;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform im pretty sure i can still write on punch cards. 923604;1416036601;asciilifeform;not hard. 923605;1416036601;asciilifeform;bad example, not because of greybeards, but because of demented archaeologists like yours truly 923606;1416036626;asciilifeform;and i can hardly imagine a modern big-game hunter having any serious troubles with a mastodon. 923607;1416036635;asciilifeform;but i can sorta see the point he was trying to make. 923608;1416036654;mircea_popescu;i sorta can't. 923609;1416036662;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 45200 @ 0.00043661 = 19.7348 BTC [+] {2} 923610;1416036666;asciilifeform;eh we just skinned a balloon, haven't we. 923611;1416036690;mircea_popescu;knowledge != technology. 923612;1416036690;decimation;asciilifeform: there's a good example of the 'art v. science' re: moon program here: http://eb-misfit.blogspot.com/2013/10/relighting-saturn-vs-f-1-rocket-engine.html?showComment=1381683061332#c1607749688683256926 "There were single welds on the engine that took all day to weld, by hand, and there were thousands of such welds. The engineers working on the new F1 copy say that theirs has less than 1/10th the parts of the original F1 923613;1416036750;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6109 @ 0.00043769 = 2.6738 BTC [+] 923614;1416036750;decimation;and should be easily mass produced. " 923615;1416036750;mircea_popescu;i still know how to make a felt hat 923616;1416036750;mircea_popescu;doesn't mean the machines still exist. 923617;1416036750;decimation;each saturn rocket was basically a metal art peice 923618;1416036752;asciilifeform;decimation: this is not actually uncommon at the 'what is the factory made of' level in industry. 923619;1416036767;asciilifeform;ultimately, there is no factory that churns out pilot plants 923620;1416036772;mircea_popescu;used to. nowadays it's pretty rare. 923621;1416036780;asciilifeform;craftsmanship all the way down, after a certain point. 923622;1416036789;decimation;there's a point there 923623;1416036805;decimation;someone has to program the robots after all 923624;1416036854;asciilifeform;much of what makes civilization tick, is not available off the shelf, and the entire notion is nonsensical. 923625;1416036865;mircea_popescu;whosoever programs the robots doesn't have to do so with chewing gum however. 923626;1416036875;mircea_popescu;the fact that bitcoin .5.3 is full of spot welds is not a quality. 923627;1416036914;punkman;.notary status 923628;1416036921;punkman;notary status 923629;1416036922;notary;punkman: 1 pending deed | Last bundle 6 hours and 14 minutes ago | 1 unconfirmed bundle 923630;1416036925;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: imagine if, e.g., the 'golden gate' bridge had been built by a retarded child. out of match sticks. 923631;1416036929;asciilifeform;and it were still in use. 923632;1416036939;punkman;speaking of shitty code, thing's stuck again 923633;1416036950;mircea_popescu;http://i.imgur.com/RUvwvFk.gif 923634;1416037010;decimation;it seems to come down to a question of economics, it's generally cheaper to pay a master craftsman to labor over one item, but if one is building thousands it is worth the start-up cost of the robots 923635;1416037010;asciilifeform;decimation: except that none of this conceptually even applies to a computer program. 923636;1416037010;decimation;unfortunately no 923637;1416037010;decimation;one can imagine the software craftsman being aided by tools (likely of his own making) 923638;1416037021;decimation;but the idea of 'mass production software' is nonsensical 923639;1416037030;thestringpuller;!up fivezerotwo 923640;1416037154;mircea_popescu;this "ctrl-c at console" business is so... hm. primitive. 923641;1416037158;mircea_popescu;in the positive sense of that term. 923642;1416037179;punkman;:) 923643;1416037182;asciilifeform;like a death certificate that reads 'stopped breathing' 923644;1416037193;mircea_popescu;nah, more like a hmm.... 923645;1416037225;punkman;so electrum is blocking forever when I try to send a tx, then the tx sending thread gets stuck 923646;1416037254;mircea_popescu;nah, more like a retarded athlete who, after a majorly incredible game where his team won very closely or lost very closely is like 923647;1416037259;mircea_popescu;"well... we lost" 923648;1416037263;mircea_popescu;myeah dude. 923649;1416037334;thestringpuller;$conference 923650;1416037335;empyex;thestringpuller: Next conference starts in 5 months and 2 days. Estimated cost today: 3.31292039 BTC (Details: http://trilema.com/2014/the-conference-third-edition/ ) 923651;1416037373;asciilifeform;re: top hats: i vaguely recall that the planet lost the capacity to make toothpicks for a few months at some point in '09 (?) 923652;1416037402;asciilifeform;chicom firm cornered the market, the story went, to the point of total monopoly - then went bust 923653;1416037412;RagnarDanneskjol;punkman i think eventually you're gonna ahve to ditch electrum and run a daemon - these issues are somewhat known and why deedbot 1.0 replaced it w/ api 923654;1416037413;asciilifeform;perhaps i dreamed all of this. 923655;1416037444;punkman;RagnarDanneskjol: oh deedbot1.0 tried to use electrum? 923656;1416037449;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: Clam one of yours? 923657;1416037449;RagnarDanneskjol;yes 923658;1416037459;RagnarDanneskjol;went through several versions 923659;1416037478;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo sorry ? 923660;1416037481;RagnarDanneskjol;the last one actually works perfectly fine - just was on unsecure server 923661;1416037493;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: From the gif where it did the salt licking 923662;1416037497;punkman;RagnarDanneskjol: well it didn't actually verify deeds 923663;1416037512;asciilifeform;salt?! 923664;1416037526;RagnarDanneskjol;how's that? 923665;1416037545;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo ah no, bounty of teh internets. 923666;1416037554;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform yes. salt. 923667;1416037577;*;asciilifeform wanders off to consider this. 923668;1416037622;fivezerotwo;thanks thestringpuller 923669;1416038052;mircea_popescu;"This muddle finally hurts those following in the researcher's path. Long after he has his Ph.D. or his tenure, inquiring students will be put off by the document he has left behind. He seems to have solved everything already, so the report says, yet there is no tangible evidence of it besides the report itself." 923670;1416038054;mircea_popescu;oh brother... 923671;1416038079;notary;Confirmed bundle 1NUkX9oL with 1 deed | http://deeds.bitcoin-assets.com/bundle/1NUkX9oLgWDpzWanrsxKdgUqs7JaRUKG4u 923672;1416038139;BingoBoingo;http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2014/11/polygraph-com-owner-accused-of-training-customers-to-beat-the-polygraph/ 923673;1416038199;mircea_popescu;this is actually the fundamental problem with western academia. the self-licking icecreamcones problem is just a convenient frosting over this, but the point remains that even should that matter be solved, as it trivially would be solved - by say a stalin, which is always cheap 923674;1416038199;mircea_popescu;nevertheless academia would STILL be fundamentally broken to the point of complete dysfunction. 923675;1416039093;RagnarDanneskjol;http://dl.acm.org/citation.cfm?id=2660293 923676;1416039154;RagnarDanneskjol;[Founding Digital Currency on Secure Computation] 923677;1416039459;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23272 @ 0.00042858 = 9.9739 BTC [-] 923678;1416039964;cazalla;RagnarDanneskjol, meh not promoting something that thinks "When a user wants to create an address, the user provides her identity to an IVS. The IVS checks that the provided identity is the identity of a real person who can be located and be accountable if illegal activity is detected, similar to existing Bitcoin payment systems such as Coinbase." is a good idea 923679;1416040058;RagnarDanneskjol;they have some lame and some rather novel ideas in there 923680;1416040188;notary;Confirmed bundle 1MH7Ri8j with 1 deed | http://deeds.bitcoin-assets.com/bundle/1MH7Ri8jmVKWouMdUijZQoH4hsZQb2txq2 923681;1416040447;Adlai;you wouldn't say that militaries are still churning out pilot plants, but the automation/control balance of piloting itself has shifted? 923682;1416040488;Adlai;(that was re: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-11-2014#923619 ) 923683;1416040488;assbot;Logged on 15-11-2014 07:32:47; asciilifeform: ultimately, there is no factory that churns out pilot plants 923684;1416041444;RagnarDanneskjol;lols http://open.blogs.nytimes.com/2014/11/13/embracing-https/?_r=2 923685;1416041704;RagnarDanneskjol;!up Vexual 923686;1416042054;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 36210 @ 0.00042725 = 15.4707 BTC [-] {2} 923687;1416042115;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23040 @ 0.00042362 = 9.7602 BTC [-] 923688;1416042190;RagnarDanneskjol;https://www.spark.io/ 923689;1416042521;punkman;RagnarDanneskjol: similar thingie https://www.sparkfun.com/products/11395 923690;1416042625;Vexual;the sd one is cool, i dont undertand the other thing 923691;1416042849;Vexual;duodenum? 923692;1416043159;Vexual;oh yes, just different form factors 923693;1416043190;Vexual;such is life 923694;1416045394;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo "It appears he's list 5 billion since June 30th" << lost ? 923695;1416045967;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: Probably? Where to fix? 923696;1416045978;mircea_popescu;your article re buffet 923697;1416046000;mircea_popescu;http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/2014/10/24/buffet-problems/ 923698;1416046000;assbot;Buffet Problems | Bingo Blog 923699;1416046033;BingoBoingo;Ty, fixed 923700;1416046077;mircea_popescu;and with that, it is time for ass! 923701;1416049291;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 48900 @ 0.00043676 = 21.3576 BTC [+] 923702;1416049901;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14691 @ 0.00043717 = 6.4225 BTC [+] {2} 923703;1416049963;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 46809 @ 0.00043868 = 20.5342 BTC [+] {2} 923704;1416051975;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15928 @ 0.00044006 = 7.0093 BTC [+] {2} 923705;1416053040;nubbins`; if I were russia, I'd wait for the US to go balls deep into the middle east again, and then I'd grab some of the north pole's oil, <<< obviously, you're not russia. <<< dat unfamilairity with arctic sovereignty claims 923706;1416053134;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7212 @ 0.00043657 = 3.1485 BTC [-] 923707;1416056245;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AMHASH2] 1000 @ 0.0012 = 1.2 BTC 923708;1416058563;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 14 @ 0.08636714 = 1.2091 BTC [-] {6} 923709;1416058990;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31992 @ 0.00043573 = 13.9399 BTC [-] 923710;1416059214;BingoBoingo;https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/2maur6/an_open_letter_to_jason_king_of_seans_outpost/cm2l3ae 923711;1416059218;assbot;SeansOutpost comments on An open letter to Jason King of Sean's Outpost 923712;1416059295;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 79000 @ 0.0004225 = 33.3775 BTC [-] {3} 923713;1416059688;nubbins`;:00000000 923714;1416059717;nubbins`;i never got the "feed the homeless in this guy's city instead of in your own city" thing 923715;1416059726;nubbins`;LOOK AT ME I'M DONATING TO SEAN'S OUTPOST 923716;1416059733;nubbins`;THERE ARE NO HUNGRY PEOPLE WHERE I LIVE 923717;1416059775;assbot;Last 4 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/2QX2KNA.txt ) 923718;1416059775;BingoBoingo;!b 4 923719;1416059801;BingoBoingo;Seriously though you feed the homeless in someone else's city so they all go there. Pied Piper and shit. 923720;1416059820;nubbins`;"go" 923721;1416059827;nubbins`;i live on an island, buddy 923722;1416059846;nubbins`;nearest "city" is 20k people a 10 hour drive away 923723;1416059873;nubbins`;anyway, always suspected that guy 923724;1416059911;nubbins`;Easy Feel-Goods for sale, only $1.25 923725;1416059971;BingoBoingo;No, easy feel goods are $75 at the massage parlor down by the strip club 923726;1416062501;xanthyos;http://i.gyazo.com/970002ace57462fba98546820653d316.png << look at the progress bar on an electronic transaction initiated two full days ago. obsolescence. 923727;1416062572;xanthyos;so coinbase gets 4 full days to abort my purchase, which they will, if the prices goes up, and they won't if it levels or drops. with btc market volatility they have a sure thing 923728;1416062609;xanthyos;business days, so essentially a full week 923729;1416062690;xanthyos;using the customer's assumption that banking is a slow process (2 business days) and doubling that hoping they won't notice just to extend their opportunity to abort a sale that's not in their favor 923730;1416063650;mats_cd03;08:56:40 <+BingoBoingo> Seriously though you feed the homeless in someone else's city so they all go there. Pied Piper and shit. << aka San Francisco 923731;1416063812;xanthyos;actually liberal "utopias" like sf have very little accomodations for the poor 923732;1416063861;xanthyos;as someone who's been homeless i've found it much easier to survive in backwoods towns in minnesota where people are poorer and not politicized 923733;1416063891;xanthyos;california is a scam state and hollywood has used its media to convince the world that it doesn't suck there, but it really does 923734;1416063973;mats_cd03;sure. there are still hills of homeless in SF, despite billions spent trying to fix it 923735;1416064021;xanthyos;SF spends its billions laying asphalt for zig-zaggy roads on their hills, not on the homeless 923736;1416064028;xanthyos;hills 923737;1416064034;mats_cd03;http://www.sfchronicle.com/archive/item/A-decade-of-homelessness-Thousands-in-S-F-30431.php << 3k 'supportive housing units' 923738;1416064096;mats_cd03;"The city spends $165 million a year on homeless services, about half of which funds supportive housing. That’s one of the highest levels of per-capita spending on homelessness of any city in the nation, said Philip Mangano, who served as the nation’s homeless czar under President Bush." 923739;1416064137;mats_cd03;"... the nation's homeless czar" << lol 923740;1416064241;xanthyos;so inefficient 923741;1416064253;xanthyos;someone should take a box cutter to nancy pelosi's plastic mask 923742;1416064825;The20YearIRCloud;and yet their homelessness problem is still one of the worst in the country 923743;1416064862;nubbins`;freenode:#bitcoin-otc:fa7a9bfb7a0cda9a3b7302dd46bf9392bd9f7b87f41cecfed6437ddb 923744;1416064865;nubbins`;i mean. 923745;1416064868;nubbins`;http://www.cbc.ca/news/world/stephen-harper-at-g20-tells-vladimir-putin-to-get-out-of-ukraine-1.2836382 923746;1416064869;assbot;Stephen Harper at G20 tells Vladimir Putin to 'get out of Ukraine' - World - CBC News 923747;1416064882;nubbins`;curious to see what a .ru article about this says :D 923748;1416064890;nubbins`;"According to MacDonald, Putin did not respond positively. He didn't provide further details." 923749;1416065229;jurov;ohmy, dat log 923750;1416065299;jurov;btw, what else can putin do? taking care of the nation is not capable of enacting western definition of lawful order 923751;1416065314;jurov;despite generations of geletical pool cleansing 923752;1416065321;jurov;*genetical 923753;1416065388;jurov;try to go and conquer 923754;1416065394;jurov;nothing alse make sense 923755;1416065505;jurov;*nothing else makes sense 923756;1416065829;jurov;http://sherylcanter.com/wordpress/2010/01/a-science-based-technique-for-seasoning-cast-iron/ << for cast iron jockeys 923757;1416066160;pete_dushenski;howdy! 923758;1416066196;pete_dushenski;so coinbase scored another $50 mn 923759;1416066285;pete_dushenski;also, scoopbot be borkt so... 923760;1416066285;xanthyos;heh 923761;1416066290;pete_dushenski;http://www.contravex.com/2014/11/12/rape-slavery-and-other-considerations/ 923762;1416066350;pete_dushenski;http://www.contravex.com/2014/11/14/terrible-nasty-unfair-evil-no-good-money-and-its-relation-to-net-worth/ 923763;1416066410;nubbins`;cast iron 4 life 923764;1416066410;pete_dushenski;and no assbot either eh 923765;1416066410;nubbins`;the guy who runs javaranch got me into cast iron 923766;1416066412;nubbins`;flaxseed oil! 923767;1416066536;pete_dushenski;http://www.nytimes.com/2014/11/14/us/series-of-secret-service-blunders-eased-way-for-white-house-intruder.html?_r=0 << makes that gasenwagen a lot less threatening of a theory 923768;1416066540;assbot;Log In - The New York Times 923769;1416066547;pete_dushenski;incompetence is just so adorable! 923770;1416066572;pete_dushenski;assbot is too cool for contravex ? 923771;1416066587;pete_dushenski;fucking bot 923772;1416066643;pete_dushenski;http://karakullake.blogspot.com/2014/11/assads-31-forms-of-torture.html << from the old school 923773;1416066674;assbot;Tamerlane's Thoughts: Assad's 31 forms of torture 923774;1416066765;nubbins`;jurov / urovj i wait for my oil to smoke before putting food in the pan :/ 923775;1416066777;nubbins`;wtf am i supposed to do now! 923776;1416066785;jurov;repent! 923777;1416066795;nubbins`;i won't know when the pan is hot enough! 923778;1416066825;nubbins`;non-scientific take: http://www.richsoil.com/cast-iron.jsp 923779;1416066826;assbot;How To: Cast Iron Skillet Non-Stick and Lasts a Lifetime 923780;1416066841;jurov;when cooking with olive oil, i can say by smell it's right temp 923781;1416066903;pete_dushenski;"the crews that maintain the nation’s 450 intercontinental ballistic missiles had only a single wrench that could attach the nuclear warheads. “They started FedExing the one tool” to three bases spread across the country" 923782;1416066923;pete_dushenski;that usg is less threatening by the day i tell you 923783;1416067027;nubbins`;i actually use viscosity as a guide leading up to the smoke point 923784;1416067066;nubbins`;this linseed thing is a neat idea tho. my 9" cast iron could use a fresh start 923785;1416067087;nubbins`;it's rough-bottomed, tho, not sure if it's worth such special treatment just ye 923786;1416067735;asciilifeform;jurov: mr p's response to australia >> http://www.loper-os.org/pub/lenta.html 923787;1416067735;assbot;lenta 923788;1416067850;jurov;so why the separatists were so eager to claim it? 923789;1416067869;asciilifeform;jurov: which ones and where? 923790;1416067906;asciilifeform;jurov: first i hear of such 923791;1416067913;jurov;http://www.rferl.org/content/ukraine-separatist-leader-boasts-downing-plane/25460930.html 923792;1416067913;assbot;Ukraine Separatist Social Media Site Claims Plane Downing 923793;1416067973;asciilifeform;jurov: afaik, nazi fake. 923794;1416068071;jurov;afaik, RT fake 923795;1416068100;asciilifeform;jurov: this is interestingly reminiscent of orwell's piece on the spanish war. 923796;1416068105;asciilifeform;jurov: do you remember it ? 923797;1416068113;jurov;no 923798;1416068184;jurov;when RT invites amir taaaki as bitcoin expert, it's clear what they are up to 923799;1416068201;jurov;but when they pull some "dutch expert" it's suddent sacrosanct truth 923800;1416068207;jurov;*suddenly 923801;1416068226;*;asciilifeform did not endorse rt as truth machine. but notes that, so far, usa has not denied authenticity of the smoking gun. 923802;1416068274;jurov;nor has russia denied strelkov's boasts 923803;1416068308;asciilifeform;jurov: the pronouncement that he lacked the necessary rocket is not a denial ? 923804;1416068389;jurov;BUK was the name of the rocket, russians have it and the border is non-existing 923805;1416068440;jurov;http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2696847/They-shouldnt-f-g-flying-There-war-going-Ukraine-intelligence-officials-release-phone-calls-claim-PROVES-Russia-shot-Flight-MH17.html 923806;1416068441;assbot;BUK missile launcher shown in Russian separatist stronghold before MH17 crash | Daily Mail Online 923807;1416068453;jurov;^ photos of it allegedly operating at the site 923808;1416068504;jurov;dunno we ever solve this here, it's clear as mud 923809;1416068527;asciilifeform;the one piece of 'lack of gun' was that a launch is visible and audible for 40km or so around 923810;1416068537;asciilifeform;and no one, afaik, has fessed up to noticing one. 923811;1416068650;jurov;how are they so certain it's urk fighter? 923812;1416068669;jurov;i can easily see russians doing it and placing buk in there as diversion 923813;1416068765;asciilifeform;jurov: re: spanish: http://orwell.ru/library/essays/Spanish_War/english/esw_1 923814;1416068766;assbot;George Orwell: Looking back on the Spanish War 923815;1416068793;BingoBoingo;Fuck it. The Greys did MH-17 923816;1416068803;asciilifeform;'I remember saying once to Arthur Koestler, �History stopped in 1936�, at which he nodded in immediate understanding. We were both thinking of totalitarianism in general, but more particularly of the Spanish civil war. Early in life I have noticed that no event is ever correctly reported in a newspaper, but in Spain, for the first time, I saw newspaper reports which did not bear any relation to the facts, n 923817;1416068803;asciilifeform;ot even the relationship which is implied in an ordinary lie. I saw great battles reported where there had been no fighting, and complete silence where hundreds of men had been killed. I saw troops who had fought bravely denounced as cowards and traitors, and others who had never seen a shot fired hailed as the heroes of imaginary victories; and I saw newspapers in London retailing these lies and eager intellec 923818;1416068805;asciilifeform;tuals building emotional superstructures over events that had never happened. I saw, in fact, history being written not in terms of what happened but of what ought to have happened according to various �party lines�.' 923819;1416068969;BingoBoingo;It's those Alien provacateurs 923820;1416069029;pete_dushenski;can anyone remember the title of that trilema article where mircea_popescu discloses how much he sold that 5% chunk of mpex for? 923821;1416069053;pete_dushenski;then number $7mn is stuck in my mind but i can't dig up the article to confirm 923822;1416069090;*;pete_dushenski has been reading lots of old trilema articles about the early mpex days 923823;1416069155;pete_dushenski;it's nothing short of incredible to see just how tame mp reads then as opposed to now 923824;1416069225;pete_dushenski;"I am by no means convinced it is even correct, but merely the suggestion of it has the sort of breathtaking effect sudden abstraction gives. The reason I’m publishing all this is, of course, that I’m interested to hear what others think. Fill me in below." 923825;1416069438;pete_dushenski;modesty the likes of which would shock a johnny come lately reader 923826;1416069873;pete_dushenski;https://twitter.com/pete_dushenski/status/533660967549157376 923827;1416069874;assbot;Hey VCs, where's the $1.5mn funding for nanotube's WoT ? http://t.co/gdmiYpx1FA 923828;1416069942;jurov;nonotube doesn't want to join bezzlatron? 923829;1416069954;pete_dushenski;mebbe he does 923830;1416069965;ben_vulpes;note to self: next time compress the blockchain *before* copying. 923831;1416069968;pete_dushenski;hard to imagine anyone legimitately asking him 923832;1416069993;pete_dushenski;https://imgur.com/6HC0yeM << trilema credits: 4 and still no worky! 923833;1416069994;assbot; imgur: the simple image sharer 923834;1416069999;ben_vulpes;what would he need the money for, pete_dushenski? embedding contracts in the blockchain? 923835;1416070010;ben_vulpes;give up, web technology will kill your children. 923836;1416070026;pete_dushenski;ben_vulpes a house with a pool ? 923837;1416070075;pete_dushenski;i'd personally be quite interested to see what nanotube would do if given a free $1.5mn 923838;1416070086;ben_vulpes;kinda dodges the question of why would vcs put capital into it. 923839;1416070135;ben_vulpes;here's my pipedream shartup 923840;1416070142;ben_vulpes;pretend there's something smart 923841;1416070144;ben_vulpes;wrap gpg 923842;1416070147;ben_vulpes;end passwords 923843;1416070155;ben_vulpes;FIN 923844;1416070164;ben_vulpes;it doesn't even have a profit model! 923845;1416070166;ben_vulpes;what could go wrong!? 923846;1416070237;nubbins`;CIS installed in epson printer. print a file. epson says "it is almost time to replace ink cartridges" 923847;1416070238;nubbins`;NICE TRY 923848;1416070259;ben_vulpes;baww 923849;1416070265;ben_vulpes;piped tar into curl 923850;1416070271;ben_vulpes;exhausted all memory 923851;1416070305;nubbins`;heh 923852;1416070329;ben_vulpes;noob 923853;1416070332;nubbins`;(CIS = http://imgur.com/5uggnbK ) 923854;1416070332;assbot; imgur: the simple image sharer 923855;1416070526;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: what's an 'end password' ? 923856;1416070784;ben_vulpes;end is a verb in this context. 923857;1416070807;nubbins`;google end 923858;1416070816;asciilifeform;aha 923859;1416070821;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: what do you have in mind? 923860;1416070836;ben_vulpes;token decryption. 923861;1416070848;asciilifeform;gribble-login for everything? 923862;1416070852;ben_vulpes;mhm. 923863;1416070855;ben_vulpes;'s the only way. 923864;1416070892;asciilifeform;why does this need money ? 923865;1416070908;ben_vulpes;because i need a shartup! 923866;1416070916;asciilifeform;ahaha lol 923867;1416070934;ben_vulpes;gotta hire sales people 923868;1416070936;ben_vulpes;rent an office 923869;1416070946;ben_vulpes;flip the ponzi a few times 923870;1416070994;*;asciilifeform thought ben_vulpes already did something of the kind at day job 923871;1416071020;ben_vulpes;what, run a ponzi? 923872;1416071025;asciilifeform;not necessarily 923873;1416071029;asciilifeform;but, some sort of firm 923874;1416071041;nubbins`;hah 923875;1416071049;assbot;Last 6 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/374TEEE.txt ) 923876;1416071049;nubbins`;!b 6 923877;1416071086;ben_vulpes;yes i have a thing 923878;1416071099;nubbins`;!gettrust assbot Anduck 923879;1416071106;nubbins`;i mean. 923880;1416071109;nubbins`;;;gettrust assbot Anduck 923881;1416071109;gribble;Currently authenticated from hostmask Anduck!~anduck@unaffiliated/anduck. Trust relationship from user assbot to user Anduck: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 5 via 5 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=assbot&dest=Anduck | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=Anduck | Rated since: Tue May 8 11:28:43 2012 923882;1416071110;ben_vulpes;but it's kind of an estes scale thing, and i want a giant tower of hydrocarbons atop which to ride out of this gravity well. 923883;1416071130;nubbins`;!up Anduck 923884;1416071183;nubbins`;Anduck, you have L2 trust w/ assbot so you can take advantage of deed system 923885;1416071306;punkman;https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=328849.msg9457267#msg9457267 923886;1416071307;assbot;Trust system - users with most trust list trust 923887;1416071389;ben_vulpes;http://bablogs.btcscoop.com/ << not actually a thing? 923888;1416071390;assbot; #bitcoin-assets blog posts 923889;1416071417;ben_vulpes;hm nm. 923890;1416071548;punkman;https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=780707 923891;1416071548;assbot;Forum finances 923892;1416071563;pete_dushenski;ben_vulpes i want a giant tower of hydrocarbons << for some reason i didn't even think you had a car 923893;1416071632;pete_dushenski;"Taxes and bitcoin, what is this sorcery" 923894;1416071652;pete_dushenski;heya punkman how goes the punkbot ? 923895;1416071664;punkman;notary status 923896;1416071664;notary;punkman: No pending deeds | Last bundle 9 hours and 16 minutes ago 923897;1416071679;pete_dushenski;ah yes! 923898;1416071689;punkman;punkbot balance 923899;1416071689;notary;punkman: Balance at 1LAwrWMbPLLSpt7nkD5Jv1Yf4cwPhD98ny is 0.06251 BTC (0.0 unconfirmed), enough for 568 more bundles. 923900;1416071696;punkman;well in case someone forgets, both work 923901;1416071707;pete_dushenski;cool 923902;1416071724;ben_vulpes;pete_dushenski: oh i own one. rarely use it though. 923903;1416071727;ben_vulpes;preferring to walk and bike. 923904;1416071738;pete_dushenski;;;rate punkman 1 maker of notary bot for #b-a deeds 923905;1416071739;gribble;Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user punkman has been recorded. 923906;1416071768;ben_vulpes;but the things that one can do with a car don't really hold a candle to those that can be done with large rockets. 923907;1416071770;pete_dushenski;ben_vulpes a but of course 923908;1416071773;ben_vulpes;cars don't fly. 923909;1416071784;pete_dushenski;anymore than bricks 923910;1416071785;ben_vulpes;planes don't escape the gravity well. 923911;1416071794;ben_vulpes;('cept maybe the skylon) 923912;1416071818;ben_vulpes;adios pete_dushenski, see you another day. 923913;1416071823;pete_dushenski;meh gravity well is 75% in your own noodle 923914;1416071827;pete_dushenski;ben_vulpes cheers mate 923915;1416072594;assbot; http://news.rice.edu/2014/11/05/next-for-darpa-autocomplete-for-programmers/ 923916;1416072609;assbot; Next for DARPA: ‘Autocomplete’ for programmers 923917;1416073347;asciilifeform;autocomplete << lol! 923918;1416073348;asciilifeform;http://auto-complete.org 923919;1416073349;assbot;Auto-Complete - An Intelligent auto-completion extension for Emacs 923920;1416073352;asciilifeform;or even microshit's 923921;1416073360;asciilifeform;am i missing something? 923922;1416073370;asciilifeform;or was that article stolen from 'the onion' ? 923923;1416073824;asciilifeform;http://www.contravex.com/2014/11/04/lets-cut-to-the-chase-is-la-serenissima-a-cult/#comment-4569 << interesting re: pankkake 923924;1416073825;assbot;Let’s Cut To The Chase, Is La Serenissima A Cult? | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski 923925;1416073829;asciilifeform;i somehow missed this. 923926;1416073896;asciilifeform;what was his project (mentioned in the comment) ? 923927;1416073985;asciilifeform;incidentally - are there other 'retired' #b-a folks? 923928;1416074045;asciilifeform;is there, somewhere, a smoky bar where they down hard drinks and tell anyone who'll listen how 'it was all a sham11!1!' ? 923929;1416074622;pete_dushenski;asciilifeform haven't seen thickasthieves in a while either... 923930;1416074631;pete_dushenski;brb 923931;1416074662;asciilifeform;;;seen thickasthieves 923932;1416074662;gribble;thickasthieves was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 1 week, 5 days, 2 hours, 47 minutes, and 48 seconds ago: but you da boss 923933;1416075041;nubbins`;he hasn't been around as much since he stopped with xbond, neobee, etc 923934;1416075143;nubbins`;i guess there's no gems left to push 8) 923935;1416075229;TheNewDeal;is evorhees considered a retired #b-a member? 923936;1416075244;asciilifeform;not being the shrink for either of these folks, i can't say with certainty, but do have a hypothesis: 923937;1416075262;asciilifeform;some people don't react well to a (perceived) collapse of fantasy of escape from gravity well. 923938;1416075293;asciilifeform;this may also explain the disappearance of moiety and a few other folks. 923939;1416075345;nubbins`;iow, "gentlemen, we shall not be the future elite"? 923940;1416075365;asciilifeform;not precisely 923941;1416075385;asciilifeform;they, i suspect, reach a point of thinking 'i can't eat hope' 923942;1416075411;nubbins`;but they can sure as shit eat crow :D 923943;1416075414;asciilifeform;http://www.xach.com/naggum/articles/3217750625724755@naggum.net.html 923944;1416075414;assbot;Re: realistic but short and simple LISP examples? - Naggum cll archive 923945;1416075417;asciilifeform;^ naggum on the subject 923946;1416075507;asciilifeform;'The whole idea that anything can be so "shared" as to have no value in itself is not a problem if the rest of the world ensures that nobody _is_ starving or needing money. For young people who have parents who pay for them or student grants or loans and basically have yet to figure out that it costs a hell of a lot of money to live in a highly advanced society, this is not such a bad idea. Grow up, graduate, 923947;1416075507;asciilifeform;marry, start a family, buy a house, have an accident, get seriously ill for a while, or a number of other very expensive things people actually do all the time, and the value of your work starts to get very real and concrete to you, at which point giving away things to be "nice" to some "community" which turns out not to be "nice" _enough_ in return that you will actually stay alive, is no longer an option. Al 923948;1416075507;asciilifeform;l of this "code sharing" is an economic surplus phenomenon. It works only when none of the people involved in it are in any form of need. As soon as the need arises, a lot of people discover that it has cost them real money to work for the community and they reap very little benefit from it, because they are sharing value-less services and getting value out of something that people take for granted is hard to 923949;1416075514;asciilifeform;impossible.' 923950;1416075596;asciilifeform;the funny part is that nobody quit, e.g., a model airplane club, because they realize that it will not make them rich. 923951;1416075620;asciilifeform;it is precisely the existence of 'success stories' in #b-a that creates the problem (if you will) of nonzero expectations. 923952;1416075686;nubbins`;there are success stories in here? o.O 923953;1416075693;TheNewDeal;if Mp wee #1, voorhees was #2, who would you say is number 3 in the success story lineup? 923954;1416075697;asciilifeform;kako? 923955;1416075704;nubbins`;lel, i kid. 923956;1416075741;TheNewDeal;just curious - I'm capable of formatting my own opinions, just want to see how they measure up to others 923957;1416075755;nubbins`;probably tat, he got rich as fuck 923958;1416075771;TheNewDeal;but he was mostly riding the coattails, no? 923959;1416075786;nubbins`;his coins aren't colored as such 923960;1416075799;TheNewDeal;didn't he run a passthrough that was basically just an additional surcharge passthrough? 923961;1416075807;nubbins`;several of them 923962;1416075827;nubbins`;doesn't the corner store just buy flats of pepsi from costco? 923963;1416075841;TheNewDeal;I don't really consider the owner rich 923964;1416075845;TheNewDeal;you know? 923965;1416075853;nubbins`;he had what, two AM passthrus, the SMG passthru, maybe three neobee passthrus? 923966;1416075875;nubbins`;TheNewDeal sure, but if the owner didn't have to buy a store and now drives around in an escalade... 923967;1416075889;TheNewDeal;you could call bitcoin harware resellers successful 923968;1416075896;TheNewDeal;and I'm sure there are some that have made a pretty penny 923969;1416075901;nubbins`;sure, but in here? 923970;1416075908;TheNewDeal;but the idea is that it's sustainable 923971;1416075919;nubbins`;what's success mean in this context anyway? got in early? 923972;1416075929;nubbins`;in that sense, mp is successful, but so is goat 923973;1416075936;asciilifeform;'successful' i'd propose, would be in this context, folks who once had to prostitute themselves for fiat who no longer must, on account of something they worked on in collaboration with the people here. 923974;1416075961;nubbins`;that's workable 923975;1416075983;nubbins`;successful as a measure of percent exit from fiat 923976;1416075998;asciilifeform;well, exit from wage labour 923977;1416076002;TheNewDeal;ding ding ding 923978;1416076050;nubbins`;implying wage labour remunerated in btc doesn't fit? 923979;1416076063;nubbins`;say, a blockchain.info employee 923980;1416076068;TheNewDeal;correct 923981;1416076072;TheNewDeal;if they're making peas 923982;1416076072;nubbins`;makes sense 923983;1416076097;TheNewDeal;I can just as easily be a fry cook at mcdonalds and change my $100 monthly profits to btc 923984;1416076106;asciilifeform;i'd imagine i'm not the only one who considers 'success' as implying a total exit from 'don't work a day - don't eat a day' 923985;1416076128;nubbins`;surely not 923986;1416076144;nubbins`;worth noting that this definition relies on flow in as well as out 923987;1416076146;asciilifeform;wage labour is wage labour, whether for usd, btc, or gold dubloons 923988;1416076247;asciilifeform;example, 923989;1416076249;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=19-01-2014#449496 923990;1416076249;assbot;Logged on 19-01-2014 19:47:07; asciilifeform: getting back to the crapware: most instances you're dealing with a case of 'work 12 hrs. a day to make minim. wage while you sleep.' 923991;1416076276;nubbins`;"great high pay job" 2 hour highway drive each direction, daily 923992;1416076372;nubbins`;anyway, i guess under these criteria i'd be considered a success, although i'm admittedly raising an eyebrow myself over this 923993;1416076393;TheNewDeal;Was working up in Canada a few weeks ago. Business owner claimed that everyone in Canada that wanted to work had a job 923994;1416076400;nubbins`;tbf a significant portion of my income still (a) is received in fiat and (b) doesn't come from this sphere 923995;1416076408;asciilifeform;nubbins`: let's say you wanted to close your printery and spend the rest of your days as a taleb-like scholarly man of leisure. 923996;1416076410;nubbins`;TheNewDeal ehhhhhhhh yes and no. 923997;1416076411;asciilifeform;nubbins`: could you? 923998;1416076417;TheNewDeal;did not feel the need to argue the point that no on in their right mind wants to stock shelves at the Canadian superstore at 2am 923999;1416076443;nubbins`;asciilifeform yeah, fair enough. not quite. 924000;1416076463;nubbins`;in the next half-decade or so, sure 924001;1416076472;asciilifeform;nubbins`: that was the 'success' i was theorizing about people being disappointed in not having. 924002;1416076497;nubbins`;looks pretty naked laid out like that, huh 924003;1416076525;asciilifeform;i can't claim to have a handle on what ails pankkake et. al. 924004;1416076539;asciilifeform;this is merely the picture seen through my own 'shit-coloured glasses.' 924005;1416076588;asciilifeform;i conjecture that it's all a problem of expectations. 924006;1416076590;nubbins`;i figured it was a combination of the rose tint coming off his glasses, and getting tired of the bellicose rhetoric 924007;1416076599;asciilifeform;i, for instance, expect to end up slowly dismembered in a cia dungeon. 924008;1416076609;asciilifeform;every day that this has not yet taken place, i am pleasantly surprised. 924009;1416076626;TheNewDeal;lel 924010;1416076682;TheNewDeal;I don't see pankakke's argument considering dumb and evil people in bitcoin 924011;1416076690;TheNewDeal;isn't the same thing in the bezzle economy? 924012;1416076714;nubbins`;sure, it's just concentrated more here 924013;1416076731;nubbins`;bitcoin is a rube funnel 924014;1416076750;asciilifeform;he may be rehashing an argument made, among other places, in my 'microscope hammer' article. 924015;1416076773;nubbins`;all these starry-eyeds wandering into a lion's den thinking it's the just the coolest thing 924016;1416076782;TheNewDeal;linky ascii? 924017;1416076785;nubbins`;and holy shit you can buy stocks i've always wanted to etc 924018;1416076801;nubbins`;omg doadj-coin etc 924019;1416076805;asciilifeform;TheNewDeal: http://www.loper-os.org/?p=939 924020;1416076806;assbot;Loper OS » Bitcoin, or How to Hammer in Nails with a Microscope. 924021;1416076808;TheNewDeal;gracias 924022;1416076815;thestringpuller;asciilifeform: did yo ever watch dexter's lab 924023;1416076832;asciilifeform;possibly once, on 'youtube' 924024;1416076841;asciilifeform;don't recall precisely what. 924025;1416076855;asciilifeform;it was mentioned here on at least one occasion 924026;1416077169;TheNewDeal;ahhh I've read that one before. On a similar note - does that empty block miner still persist? Haven't seen organofcorti mention it 924027;1416079026;TheNewDeal;assbots back, simply amazing 924028;1416079026;assbot;AMAZING COMPANY! 924029;1416079033;mircea_popescu;hey there buttboy! 924030;1416079045;mircea_popescu;kakobrekla you know, assbot totally should respond to buttboy 924031;1416079134;mircea_popescu;in other news : http://pastebin.com/S4fwBbpQ 924032;1416079135;assbot;Return-path: Envelope-to: * Delivery-date: Sat, 15 Nov 201 - Pastebin.com 924033;1416079153;mircea_popescu;and jurov thought HE had issues with whitespace via email. check out this kiddie, 100+ 0x20s 924034;1416079333;Anduck;.deed 924035;1416079333;punkbot;Anduck: (deed [url]) -- search [url] for signed deeds and queue them. 924036;1416079338;Anduck;o 924037;1416079346;Anduck;.help deed 924038;1416079346;punkbot;Anduck: (deed [url]) -- search [url] for signed deeds and queue them. 924039;1416079353;Anduck;fine, fine. dont help me damn ass bot 924040;1416079360;mircea_popescu;punkman no moar notary ? 924041;1416079371;mircea_popescu;Anduck one sec ill fish out an example for you. 924042;1416079374;Anduck;mircea_popescu: does it cost to use deed service? 924043;1416079377;mircea_popescu;not yet./ 924044;1416079382;mircea_popescu;donation powered so far. 924045;1416079385;Anduck;alright 924046;1416079396;Anduck;sounds pretty good as in it doesn't shit the chain 924047;1416079411;Anduck;at least compared to the others... 924048;1416079425;mircea_popescu;Anduck 15-11-2014 01:09:45 .deed http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=eJhsu4D5 << like so. 924049;1416079433;Anduck;thx 924050;1416079435;mircea_popescu;yeah it's well designed. 924051;1416079467;Anduck;well, who holds the database? 924052;1416079477;Anduck;is it decentralized? it doesnt have to be but it'd be great if it was 924053;1416079482;mircea_popescu;you can dld your own copy. otherwise, punkman is maintaining the deedbot service. 924054;1416079493;Anduck;remember the link for copy? 924055;1416079504;mircea_popescu;shit. 924056;1416079511;Anduck;i checked deeds site, didnt even see an api 924057;1416079531;mircea_popescu;it doesn't have an api, but you can get json/rss iirc. 924058;1416079538;Anduck;mm 924059;1416079546;Anduck;true 924060;1416079617;mircea_popescu;punkman i forget, how does one download the bundles ? 924061;1416079676;punkman;there are links bottom of bundle page 924062;1416079687;punkman;and code is here https://github.com/extempore/deedbundler 924063;1416079688;assbot;extempore/deedbundler · GitHub 924064;1416079693;mircea_popescu;nubbins` THERE ARE NO HUNGRY PEOPLE WHERE I LIVE << lawl. 924065;1416079727;mircea_popescu;o there you are. 924066;1416079758;mircea_popescu;so wha' happened to notary ? and can the main address: 1LAwrWMbPLLSpt7nkD5Jv1Yf4cwPhD98ny | contact: punkman@freenode get a count of deeds added in the middle ? 924067;1416079827;punkman;mircea_popescu: it disconnected and had to use alt name, guess I should set it up to revert to notary 924068;1416079833;mircea_popescu;xanthyos: so coinbase gets 4 full days to abort my purchase, which they will, if the prices goes up, and they won't if it levels or drops. with btc market volatility they have a sure thing <<< not really, because a) there's not so many people ike you, actually using them and b) the respective 0.2 bitcents or w/e add to about enough to buy me a steak. 924069;1416079905;Anduck;.deed http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=CKWWskHB 924070;1416079905;punkbot;Anduck: No valid deeds found, try again. Errors: (msg1: invalid) 924071;1416079906;mircea_popescu;xanthyos: california is a scam state and hollywood has used its media to convince the world that it doesn't suck there, but it really does <<< this is by design. cute but stupid 17 yo chick from minesota goes to cali to be rich and famous, has to confront the unexpected situation where being homeless there sucks so as to eagerly overcome her education and suck cock. 924072;1416079911;Anduck;hmm:( 924073;1416079915;Anduck;.deed add http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=CKWWskHB 924074;1416079915;punkbot;Anduck: Error: 'add' is not a valid http url. 924075;1416079917;mircea_popescu;if she knew about the knife she perobably wouldn't run there. 924076;1416079927;mircea_popescu;Anduck no add in the examplke i gave you 924077;1416079941;Anduck;mircea_popescu: as you saw, i tried without first 924078;1416079956;mircea_popescu;ah yes. 924079;1416079961;mircea_popescu;;;gettrust assbot anduck 924080;1416079961;gribble;Currently authenticated from hostmask Anduck!~anduck@unaffiliated/anduck. Trust relationship from user assbot to user anduck: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 5 via 5 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=assbot&dest=anduck | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=anduck | Rated since: Tue May 8 11:28:43 2012 924081;1416079994;mircea_popescu;o.O did you find a bug ? 924082;1416080165;mircea_popescu;punkbot deed http://pastebin.com/X8aNSdsY 924083;1416080166;assbot;-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Hi, This is deeds.bitcoin-a - Pastebin.com 924084;1416080166;punkbot;mircea_popescu: No valid deeds found, try again. Errors: (msg1: invalid) 924085;1416080178;nubbins`;it verifies 924086;1416080182;mircea_popescu;punkbot deed http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=X8aNSdsY 924087;1416080183;punkbot;mircea_popescu: No valid deeds found, try again. Errors: (msg1: invalid) 924088;1416080187;nubbins`;and the fingerprint matches anduck's 924089;1416080189;mircea_popescu;nubbins` yup, and it verifies to his correct key. 924090;1416080191;mircea_popescu;yeah. 924091;1416080210;mircea_popescu;Anduck we thank you for your test, ye cursed by the gods :) 924092;1416080232;nubbins`;yeah, interesting. 924093;1416080247;punkman;yeah good signature indeed, hmm 924094;1416080251;mircea_popescu;and if anyone wonders wtf, i tried to see what happens if i add a newline at the end. 924095;1416080260;mircea_popescu;but no dice. 924096;1416080311;nubbins`;.deed http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=krnmUkra 924097;1416080312;punkbot;nubbins`: Queued 1 valid deed for next bundle. 924098;1416080315;*;nubbins` shrugs 924099;1416080354;nubbins`;something to do with your key or your relationship to someone 924100;1416080366;nubbins`;punkbot checks trust to assbot? 924101;1416080374;mircea_popescu;by spec it should. 924102;1416080384;mircea_popescu;but it objects that the MESSAGE is invalid. 924103;1416080406;nubbins`;ehh that's just what the error says 924104;1416080433;Anduck;well 924105;1416080437;Anduck;my educated guess: newlines problem 924106;1416080471;mircea_popescu;nubbins`: i won't know when the pan is hot enough! << look at the oil. 924107;1416080478;mircea_popescu;eventually you will be able to tell, just by looking 924108;1416080494;mircea_popescu;(your eye does see ir. you just don't mentally see it, but you do see it. 924109;1416080497;nubbins`;yeah i wait for first wisps of smoke now, but viscosity is a good judge 924110;1416080507;mircea_popescu;that entire "can't distinguish hot glass from plain glass is bunk. you can, just need to look at it) 924111;1416080507;nubbins`;as well 924112;1416080533;nubbins`;Anduck i'm not so sure 924113;1416080547;nubbins`;i copy/pasted your deed text to my machine, signed it, and it worked 924114;1416080573;mircea_popescu;wow that's interesting huh 924115;1416080594;nubbins`;now tbf copypasta has its own newline quirks i'm sure 924116;1416080603;nubbins`;but i think punkman covered all bases w.r.t. newlines 924117;1416080644;nubbins`;Anduck try signing a single line of text 924118;1416080653;punkman;only explanation is the bot doesn't have your key 924119;1416080663;nubbins`;how does the bot get keys 924120;1416080676;punkman;fetches from sks 924121;1416080678;mircea_popescu;punkbot deed http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=XKAbVPzW 924122;1416080679;punkbot;mircea_popescu: No valid deeds found, try again. Errors: (msg1: invalid) 924123;1416080682;mircea_popescu;o.O 924124;1416080690;mircea_popescu;no. the signature block fucks up something 924125;1416080702;mircea_popescu;maybe something as idiotic as "one line starts with slash" or w/e. 924126;1416080702;nubbins`;oh, i just took his original text, not the block 924127;1416080708;nubbins`;huh 924128;1416080721;nubbins`;ineresting 924129;1416080724;nubbins`;+t 924130;1416080774;nubbins`;Anduck i guess try signing any other message and submitting it 924131;1416080777;punkman;mircea_popescu: I think problem with that is that it stops at nested END PGP SIGNATURE, instead of the outer one 924132;1416080792;nubbins`;hmm 924133;1416080807;punkman;but I remember testing that case 924134;1416080808;nubbins`;sounds like a regex fix 924135;1416080810;punkman;guess I didn't 924136;1416080828;nubbins`;END PGP SIGNATURE-----\n$ or smth 924137;1416080837;*;nubbins` always has to look that stuff up 924138;1416080853;mircea_popescu;nubbins` no lol, cuz no \n in spec :D 924139;1416080876;mircea_popescu;punkman it stops at the commented out one ? 924140;1416080886;mircea_popescu;ye - -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- ? 924141;1416080887;punkman;yeah, I know how to fix that 924142;1416080894;mircea_popescu;kk 924143;1416080897;punkman;but why the hell is Anduck's key missing 924144;1416080910;punkman;should have been there when I bootstrapped pubring 924145;1416080927;nubbins`;.deed http://pastebin.com/29Ed1j5b 924146;1416080928;assbot;-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA512 - -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESS - Pastebin.com 924147;1416080928;punkbot;nubbins`: No valid deeds found, try again. Errors: (msg1: invalid) 924148;1416080928;mircea_popescu;jurov: when cooking with olive oil, i can say by smell it's right temp << also butter yeah. 924149;1416080936;nubbins`;oops 924150;1416080938;nubbins`;.deed http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=29Ed1j5b 924151;1416080938;punkbot;nubbins`: No valid deeds found, try again. Errors: (msg1: invalid) 924152;1416080945;nubbins`;ok yep nesting breaks 924153;1416080979;nubbins`;still doesnt explain anduck's weirdness 924154;1416080986;Anduck;._. 924155;1416080995;joecool;prob threw finncrypt at it 924156;1416081000;joecool;breaks everything 924157;1416081006;nubbins`;Anduck try another deed, would be nice to see if that was a problem with your key or your deed 924158;1416081018;Anduck;ok 924159;1416081053;mircea_popescu;punkbot deed http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=1i7QYM8g 924160;1416081054;punkbot;mircea_popescu: No valid deeds found, try again. Errors: (msg1: invalid) 924161;1416081059;mircea_popescu;HA! 924162;1416081098;Anduck;.deed http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=sgyrnSKb 924163;1416081099;punkbot;Anduck: No valid deeds found, try again. Errors: (msg1: invalid) 924164;1416081103;Anduck;deed ?!?? 924165;1416081110;Anduck;do i need to have this same text somewhere else 924166;1416081152;nubbins`;.deed http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=tuWJ5TrH 924167;1416081152;punkbot;nubbins`: No valid deeds found, try again. Errors: (msg1: invalid) 924168;1416081162;nubbins`;haha it's the forward slash at the start of a new line. 924169;1416081166;mircea_popescu;aha! 924170;1416081173;mircea_popescu;my intuition!111 924171;1416081185;Anduck;heh 924172;1416081188;Anduck;confirm it. 924173;1416081197;mircea_popescu;now we throw eggs at punkman :D 924174;1416081199;nubbins`;heh 924175;1416081219;nubbins`;Anduck you could probably just add a whitespace char to your original text, sign it, it'll work 924176;1416081240;mircea_popescu;nubbins` clearsign doesn't produce the same signature on the same text btw. 924177;1416081242;Anduck;let's see 924178;1416081248;nubbins`;o no? 924179;1416081256;nubbins`;well til 924180;1416081265;mircea_popescu;think about it. 924181;1416081272;mircea_popescu;if it did, your messages would be brittle. 924182;1416081354;nubbins`;i'm still only functionally literate wrt pgp 924183;1416081366;mircea_popescu;jurov: when RT invites amir taaaki as bitcoin expert, it's clear what they are up to, but when they pull some "dutch expert" it's suddent sacrosanct truth <<< lol he got you there asciilifeform 924184;1416081367;Anduck;.deed http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=JZQ0PkwU 924185;1416081367;punkbot;Anduck: No valid deeds found, try again. Errors: (msg1: invalid) 924186;1416081385;mircea_popescu;bwhahaha 924187;1416081427;Anduck;i guess 924188;1416081430;Anduck;hmm.. 924189;1416081433;nubbins`;.deed http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=vGkqhFr0 924190;1416081434;punkbot;nubbins`: No valid deeds found, try again. Errors: (msg1: invalid) 924191;1416081440;nubbins`;o.O 924192;1416081461;Anduck;.deed anduck.net/ducktest.txt 924193;1416081462;punkbot;Anduck: No valid deeds found, try again. Errors: (msg1: invalid) 924194;1416081465;nubbins`;looks like it's expecting a very limited charset for that first char 924195;1416081482;mircea_popescu;apparently. 924196;1416081528;punkbot;Confirmed bundle 13u9WbT7 with 1 deed | http://deeds.bitcoin-assets.com/bundle/13u9WbT7N8WeBAH2kKrvkrPESenDMBpLMU 924197;1416081535;nubbins`;.deed http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=sPzaFq8s 924198;1416081535;punkman;I think I may have borked permissions of gpg dir just now 924199;1416081535;punkbot;nubbins`: No valid deeds found, try again. Errors: (msg1: invalid) 924200;1416081542;nubbins`;WHAT. 924201;1416081555;nubbins`;|0| 924202;1416081668;mircea_popescu;pete_dushenski: can anyone remember the title of that trilema article where mircea_popescu discloses how much he sold that 5% chunk of mpex for? << http://trilema.com/2013/smpoe-takes-strategic-investor/ ? 924203;1416081668;assbot;S.MPOE takes strategic investor pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. 924204;1416081697;mircea_popescu;!up supay 924205;1416081814;mircea_popescu;pete_dushenski: modesty the likes of which would shock a johnny come lately reader << But within that basic framework there are many subtle variations, only discernable to an acute observer, that reflect the many moods, the many shades, the many sides of MP! 924206;1416081817;mircea_popescu;(this is morning mist) 924207;1416081983;mircea_popescu;pete_dushenski:"where's the $1.5mn funding for nanotube's WoT" << perhaps you don';t understand what "a protocol for decentralized and password-less authentication" means. 924208;1416082075;mircea_popescu;nubbins`: (CIS = http://imgur.com/5uggnbK ) <<< lawl. 924209;1416082076;assbot; imgur: the simple image sharer 924210;1416082166;punkman;.deed http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=JZQ0PkwU 924211;1416082167;assbot;Pastebin.com Unknown Paste ID 924212;1416082167;punkbot;punkman: Error fetching URL: http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=JZQ0PkwU (HTTP Error 404: Not Found) 924213;1416082189;punkman;.deed http://anduck.net/ducktest.txt 924214;1416082189;punkbot;punkman: Queued 1 valid deed for next bundle. 924215;1416082202;mircea_popescu;| 34 | Gavin Andresen | 0 | << not in forum trust list ; | 33 | OgNasty | 1 | << in forum default trust list. 924216;1416082203;punkman;yeah your key was missing for some reason 924217;1416082209;mircea_popescu;so much lulz. 924218;1416082276;mircea_popescu;punkbot deed http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=X8aNSdsY 924219;1416082277;punkbot;mircea_popescu: Queued 1 valid deed for next bundle. 924220;1416082292;mircea_popescu;punkbot deed http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=XKAbVPzW 924221;1416082292;punkbot;mircea_popescu: No valid deeds found, try again. Errors: (msg1: invalid) 924222;1416082313;mircea_popescu;punkbot deed http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=X8aNSdsY 924223;1416082313;punkbot;mircea_popescu: No valid deeds found, try again. Errors: (msg1: dupe) 924224;1416082319;mircea_popescu;so... wait. 924225;1416082335;mircea_popescu;ah nm. 924226;1416082356;mircea_popescu;punkbot deed http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=1i7QYM8g 924227;1416082357;punkbot;mircea_popescu: Queued 1 valid deed for next bundle. 924228;1416082372;mircea_popescu;punkbot deed http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=XKAbVPzW 924229;1416082372;punkbot;mircea_popescu: No valid deeds found, try again. Errors: (msg1: invalid) 924230;1416082391;mircea_popescu;so basically only http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=XKAbVPzW is still weird. 924231;1416082423;punkman;will put that on todo list 924232;1416082488;mircea_popescu;- Expenses: 1505 (1257 Slickage, the rest mostly mods) << according to theymos, tardstalk has spent half a million dollars to one million this year. 924233;1416082578;punkman;on another message he says he's spent $350k on Slickage 924234;1416082580;punkman;https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=451893.0;all 924235;1416082580;assbot;LEAKED - Latest status on forum software 924236;1416082609;mircea_popescu;what's slickage ? 924237;1416082620;punkman;some web developers 924238;1416082633;mircea_popescu;someone paid 350k to "web developers" ? 924239;1416082637;mircea_popescu;lmao 924240;1416082640;mircea_popescu;;;rated theymos 924241;1416082641;gribble;You have not yet rated user theymos 924242;1416082701;punkman;;;rate thermos -5 924243;1416082701;gribble;Error: User doesn't exist in the Rating or GPG databases. User must be GPG-registered to receive ratings. 924244;1416082738;mircea_popescu;;;rate theymos -10 defrauded the tardstalk community by throwing ~half a million dollars worth of BTC at some obscure service provider for kickbacks. a lenghty history of fraudulent behaviour, http://trilema.com/2012/scammer-tag-nefario-theymos-others-known-and-unknown/ 924245;1416082738;assbot;Scammer tag : Nefario, theymos, others known and unknown pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. 924246;1416082739;gribble;Rating entry successful. Your rating of -10 for user theymos has been recorded. 924247;1416082857;punkman;well don't know if that quote is real 924248;1416082867;punkman;but either way 924249;1416082871;mircea_popescu;he does mention the name in his "report" 924250;1416082885;mircea_popescu;http://www.crunchbase.com/organization/slickage-studios << this thing. it never had 10k incoming in its lifetime. 924251;1416082886;assbot;Slickage Studios | CrunchBase 924252;1416082897;punkman;"let's make our own forum software, compete with SMF" 924253;1416082912;punkman;in node.js no less 924254;1416082926;mircea_popescu;unlike the SEC, MP actually is tough on fraud. 924255;1416082937;*;mircea_popescu waves @maryjo 924256;1416083021;jurov;in node? hahahahaha 924257;1416083036;mircea_popescu;jurov you don't understand how the nodes work! 924258;1416083039;punkman;https://github.com/slickage/epochtalk 924259;1416083040;assbot;slickage/epochtalk · GitHub 924260;1416083054;jurov;i'm laughing because i do understand a bit 924261;1416083077;punkman;seems no commits since June 924262;1416083079;mircea_popescu;2 contributors << lol. 924263;1416083081;*;jurov looks forward to Math.random pwnage 924264;1416083090;mircea_popescu;so basically the 1-10 man dev studio is exactly one guy. 924265;1416083102;punkman;and more derpage https://github.com/slickage/adness https://github.com/slickage/baron 924266;1416083103;assbot;slickage/adness · GitHub 924267;1416083103;assbot;slickage/baron · GitHub 924268;1416083320;punkman;oh my bad they are still developing https://github.com/epochtalk/core 924269;1416083320;assbot;epochtalk/core · GitHub 924270;1416083371;mircea_popescu;adding core to something makes it better 924271;1416083377;mircea_popescu;like, punk was dead, but then punkcore! 924272;1416083547;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform: what was his project (mentioned in the comment) ? <<< you perhaps recall i said at conference i want two things made, an advertising service and a jobs board. we had some initial discussions about it, we ran into a bunch of conceptual difficulties about how exactly to handle the job descriptions/contractual enforcement, which turned out a much more complex task than originally imagined, last was "we 924273;1416083573;mircea_popescu;we'll have to think about this some more" and it's the last i heard from him on the topic. or in general, really. that was back in may. 924274;1416083644;mircea_popescu;anyway, the job board still needs to be made because this system where i drop something in chat and someone either happens to be here or happens to see it in logs is perhaps not optimal. 924275;1416083668;mircea_popescu;on the other hand, it does provide proper incentive for noobs to read the thing, much to their benefit even if "they don't want to, because they know better", so whatevs. 924276;1416083782;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform: is there, somewhere, a smoky bar where they down hard drinks and tell anyone who'll listen how 'it was all a sham11!1!' ? << not afaik, tho i'd like to have a hard drink myself. tho i imagine that'd ruin it huh. 924277;1416083874;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform: this may also explain the disappearance of moiety and a few other folks. <<< it's not a bad theory in any sense. got any policy proposals based on it ? 924278;1416083950;punkman;a bunch of conceptual difficulties about how exactly to handle the job descriptions/contractual enforcement << interesting in hearing some of those 924279;1416083955;punkman;*interested 924280;1416083974;mircea_popescu;punkman you familiar with the problems surrounding bitbet bets resolution ? 924281;1416083983;mircea_popescu;they [used to] spill out into here with some regularity. 924282;1416083991;punkman;well some of them at least 924283;1416084009;mircea_popescu;right. what do words "mean" ? and especially, what do contracts OBVIOUSLY mean. 924284;1416084037;mircea_popescu;this is not a trivial problem in any sense : http://trilema.com/2013/our-emperor-deliver-us/ 924285;1416084037;assbot;Our Emperor, deliver us. pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. 924286;1416084043;mircea_popescu;"In support of their argument that the Agreement preserves liability only for malicious breaches, defendants argue that the word �willful� would be unnecessary unless it meant �malicious.� There is no reason to limit liability to breaches that are intentional, they claim, because any breach of this Agreement would be intentional��heavily counseled parties to mega-mergers do not breach merger agreements out 924287;1416084043;mircea_popescu;of inadvertence, negligence, or mistake.� As a factual matter, this claim is questionable. It could just as well be said that heavily counseled parties to mega-mergers do not sign merger agreements containing glaringly ambiguous terms that lead to avoidable litigation�but here we are." 924288;1416084130;mircea_popescu;!up gabriel_laddel 924289;1416084139;gabriel_laddel;does anyone with experience with either gentoo or funtoo care to share their impression(s) of the projects? I'm interested in which group of devs is more intelligent, sane, etc. 924290;1416084151;Anduck;punkman: what was the error? 924291;1416084162;mircea_popescu;gentoo is well established, and currently my recommendation for noobs looking at linux. 924292;1416084166;punkman;Anduck: didn't have your key for some reason 924293;1416084196;mircea_popescu;Anduck therewas also an unrelated issue discovered, regarding first character on a line, so tyvm. 924294;1416084220;punkman;no slash character theory was silly 924295;1416084240;punkman;but problem with nested sigs 924296;1416084250;mircea_popescu;punkman no, because it failed on the test bundle above. 924297;1416084271;mircea_popescu;http://log1.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-11-2014#924229 924298;1416084271;assbot;Logged on 15-11-2014 20:12:52; punkbot: mircea_popescu: No valid deeds found, try again. Errors: (msg1: invalid) 924299;1416084290;mircea_popescu;meh wait, wrong one. 924300;1416084366;mircea_popescu;ah yes right you are, nm. 924301;1416084641;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform: The whole idea that anything can be so "shared" as to have no value in itself is not a problem if the rest of the world ensures that nobody _is_ starving or needing money. <<< this is nonsense anyway. money is always needed, this is a scaling problem. average rat living in a hole in the middle east linking his pretenses to humanity to his possesion of an old cellphone someone lost may think ben_vulpes' l 924302;1416084641;mircea_popescu;ife is the end of want, having a wife and a house in the amerca!!! 924303;1416084650;mircea_popescu;however, ben himself wants a tower of hydrocarbons. 924304;1416084656;mircea_popescu;and if he gets it, he'll want something else. 924305;1416084675;mircea_popescu;there's no such thing as "not needing money" except for coma patients. 924306;1416084749;mircea_popescu;wanting is the sign of intellectual health, just like erections are the sign of reproductive health. if you're lying down with teh nekkid gals and get no pang to trash them around it doesn't mean you reached nirvana, it just means you're not long for this world. 924307;1416084779;punkman;http://deeds.bitcoin-assets.com/list-keys.txt plenty of 1024 keys 924308;1416084782;jurov;didn't we solve a yesterday's conundrum about nature of life? 924309;1416084804;jurov;ie.e life can be defined as anything that needs money 924310;1416084818;jurov;or maybe intelligent life... 924311;1416084843;mircea_popescu;kik 924312;1416084864;mircea_popescu;punkman put 1024 keys together with the irc nicks so i can send them a later tell ? 924313;1416084927;Anduck;are 1024s yet bad? 924314;1416084964;mircea_popescu;best move on, yeah. 924315;1416084999;Anduck;well yup 924316;1416085158;punkbot;Confirmed bundle 1EWUaXVR with 3 deeds | http://deeds.bitcoin-assets.com/bundle/1EWUaXVRx4Mm94Q9m6J3BRN3TEjRcnmmuw 924317;1416085386;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform: wage labour is wage labour, whether for usd, btc, or gold dubloons <<< this is an iffy proposition. 924318;1416085415;mircea_popescu;"wage labour" on fain, on a voluntary basis (internet work, add links, vote on links, comments -> collect points -> take out btc) had average monthly payments well over 1 btc. AVERAGE. 924319;1416085445;mircea_popescu;plenty of people took out 100 btc in one month. back then this was you know, a few hundred bucks, "wage". 924320;1416085458;mircea_popescu;they probably sold it, of course, but if they did not, they have a lot more liquid btc than say goat. 924321;1416085474;mircea_popescu;or any of the other talented folk that got in early, got out early. 924322;1416085529;mircea_popescu;so wage for btc is not unlike wage for stock warrants, ie, typical start-up work. 924323;1416085586;mircea_popescu;in any case : i do not exactly believe b-a is intended for the workaday people. let them put a decade in, build themselve financially to the position where they can participate in a start-up, and intellectually to the position where they actually aren't quite AS fucktarded as the average 20something. 924324;1416085619;mircea_popescu;because no, i don't credit for a minute this theory whereby the 20yo male is the be-all end-all hope-and-pride of humanity. 924325;1416085628;mircea_popescu;bitcoin isn't college sports. 924326;1416085833;mircea_popescu;TheNewDeal: did not feel the need to argue the point that no on in their right mind wants to stock shelves at the Canadian superstore at 2am <<< why should they get a choice ? 924327;1416085856;mircea_popescu;obviously if that's the only job they can get they AREN'T in their right mind. so why should their unright mind get an option as to what it wants to do ? 924328;1416085875;mircea_popescu;not everyone's brain works, even if everyone's brain THINKS it does. 924329;1416086110;mircea_popescu;nubbins`: getting tired of the bellicose rhetoric << "why can't we all just get along" ? 924330;1416086115;mircea_popescu;fuck me, i dun wanna get along with idiots. 924331;1416086125;mircea_popescu;it's not a matter of why or wherefore. i just do not wish to. 924332;1416086241;mircea_popescu;i suppose the one true source of trolling is exactly that. ironically enough, pankake was orignally selling himself as a troll for hire iirc. 924333;1416086654;mircea_popescu;;;later tell peterl http://bablogs.btcscoop.com/ << seems empty ? 924334;1416086655;assbot; #bitcoin-assets blog posts 924335;1416086655;gribble;The operation succeeded. 924336;1416086738;Anduck;mircea_popescu: remember, the people who you call 'idiots' may be living a happier life than you 924337;1416086744;Anduck;so, are they idiots after all in that sense 924338;1416086749;mircea_popescu;yes. 924339;1416086778;mircea_popescu;im sure most of the cattle that i'm going to eat in my lifetime has also lived a pretty happy life, 924340;1416086782;mircea_popescu;according ot its own standards. 924341;1416086794;mircea_popescu;the notion that cattle gets to enact standards of happiness is beyond ridoinculous. 924342;1416086967;Anduck;sure but its funny that many really are happy 924343;1416086970;Anduck;they also know it 924344;1416086988;mircea_popescu;so good for em. 924345;1416087017;mircea_popescu;krugman prolly "really is an economist", at least if you ask him. 924346;1416087068;Anduck;xD 924347;1416087074;Anduck;oh, what do ya think of him 924348;1416087080;Anduck;well, his bitcoin speech 924349;1416087122;mircea_popescu;Anduck you mean http://trilema.com/2014/this-is-how-much-i-rule-today/ ? 924350;1416087122;assbot;This is how much I rule (today) pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. 924351;1416087147;Anduck;i guess i cant read that one 924352;1416087151;Anduck;paywall i see =( 924353;1416087298;mircea_popescu;funny lol. guy from the public went up to bernadotte, after wagram, "o, what did you think of the archduke's order of battle!" 924354;1416087303;mircea_popescu;i think it sucked, lol. 924355;1416087339;Anduck;hmm 924356;1416087362;Anduck;mircea_popescu: you know the new monero/bitcoin rpg stuff by rpietila? 924357;1416087373;mircea_popescu;vaguely. 924358;1416087413;Anduck;thoughts? will you attend 924359;1416087431;mircea_popescu;i will not attend. 924360;1416087466;Anduck;ok. as it's question hour: thoughts about bitcoin short term (1-2 years) valuation? 924361;1416087509;Anduck;it's good to see how long bitcoiners see these last years of development 924362;1416087513;*;mircea_popescu shrugs. 924363;1416087531;mircea_popescu;you really need to go read the logs. 924364;1416087567;Anduck;there's too much of logs. 924365;1416087575;Anduck;seriously, even you wouldn't 924366;1416087610;mircea_popescu;i actually do. i imagine you have nfi idea what wagram is, either, but this gives you no pause, because you're happy without, right ? 924367;1416087648;Anduck;not relevant but yes i've zero idea of what a wagram is 924368;1416087669;mircea_popescu;right. well, carry on but if possible quietly. 924369;1416087676;Anduck;hehe 924370;1416087720;Anduck;so you would value my speech here if i knew what a wagram is? 924371;1416087851;Anduck;good. as expected 924372;1416087864;Anduck;just remember: this is not how the world was built 924373;1416087933;mircea_popescu;the world was not built by ignorant twerps. your ideas about "the world" are about as well formed as your ideas about "wagram". both are meaningless symbols to you. about one, you arbitrarily delude yourself you have something to say. 924374;1416087969;Anduck;fine 924375;1416087979;Anduck;i don't agree but im fine with it 924376;1416087993;mircea_popescu;now stfu and go read the logs. 924377;1416088020;Anduck;i guess i already stated i won't read the logs because there's too much and i've got better ways to find out what i want to find out =) 924378;1416088052;Anduck;doesn't make me ignorant twerp, or does it? 924379;1416088056;mircea_popescu;yeah, it does. 924380;1416088059;RagnarDanneskjol;yes it does 924381;1416088071;Anduck;please, give me a third "yes it does" 924382;1416088176;mircea_popescu;kids, you know ? tries to engage its mother on its own terms (cries). mother doesn't go for it. kid... INSISTS!!! because totally, if you ignore everything and just repeat your thing... well.. that's happiness innit. 924383;1416088374;*;undata wonders whether gribble or freenode itself is lagging today 924384;1416088406;mircea_popescu;freenode's been having some issues. 924385;1416088430;undata;ah 924386;1416088489;Anduck;hopefully people here think clearly :) 924387;1416088636;mircea_popescu;!up sdffsd 924388;1416088698;mircea_popescu;punkbot status 924389;1416088698;punkbot;mircea_popescu: No pending deeds | Last bundle 1 hour and 9 minutes ago 924390;1416088861;mircea_popescu;so anyone know this Khalahan Henkh fellow ? 924391;1416088897;assbot; http://arrakis.cs.washington.edu 924392;1416088897;sdffsd;Mircea, I can't access mpex.co, what's going on? 924393;1416088904;assbot; Arrakis | The Operating System is the Control Plane 924394;1416088930;mircea_popescu;$proxies 924395;1416088967;empyex;mircea_popescu: Proxies: mpex.biz mpex.co mpex.bz mpex.coinbr.com mpex.ws Current MPEx GPG-Key-ID: 02DD2D91 924396;1416089015;mircea_popescu;sdffsd nothing ? 924397;1416089037;mircea_popescu;anyway, if you have trouble with websites use the irc bots. 924398;1416089058;mircea_popescu;http://trilema.com/2013/the-many-ways-available-for-talking-to-mpex/ 924399;1416089059;assbot;The many ways available for talking to MPEx pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. 924400;1416089097;empyex;mircea_popescu: MPEx-Status: mpex.biz (116 milliseconds), mpex.bz (131 milliseconds), mpex.ws (350 milliseconds), mpex.coinbr.com (1681 milliseconds), mpex.co (error) 924401;1416089099;empyex;mircea_popescu: Health-Indicators: Homepage: √ MK Depth JSON: √ VWAP JSON: √ 924402;1416089141;mircea_popescu;awww 924403;1416091989;mircea_popescu;lol fucking idiot, 924404;1416092113;mircea_popescu;::later tell sdffsd nobody ever told you tor is not actually safe ? lol. 924405;1416092146;kakobrekla;accidentally found another bitcoin web hosting http://bitcoinwebhosting.net 924406;1416092147;assbot; Bitcoin Dedicated Servers, DDoS Protection, Anonymous VPS 924407;1416092158;mircea_popescu;who;s running it ? 924408;1416092188;kakobrekla;1712 Pioneer Avenue Ste 1774 924409;1416092189;kakobrekla;Cheyenne, Wyoming 82001 924410;1416092222;kakobrekla;;;gettrust 1712 Pioneer Avenue Ste 1774 924411;1416092222;gribble;(gettrust [] ) -- Get trust paths for , starting from . If is not supplied, your own nick is used as the source. See http://wiki.bitcoin-otc.com/wiki/OTC_Rating_System#Notes_about_gettrust 924412;1416092233;kakobrekla;as i suspected 924413;1416092625;mircea_popescu;https://blog.torproject.org/blog/thoughts-and-concerns-about-operation-onymous 924414;1416092627;assbot;Thoughts and Concerns about Operation Onymous | The Tor Blog 924415;1416092638;mircea_popescu;"Recently it was announced that a coalition of government agencies took control of many Tor hidden services. We were as surprised as most of you." 924416;1416092660;mircea_popescu;what the next line should be ? "we suck, and we're stepping down. sorry we couldn't do what we wanted to." 924417;1416092665;mircea_popescu;what the next line actually is ? " Unfortunately, we have very little information about how this was accomplished, but we do have some thoughts which we want to share." 924418;1416092673;mircea_popescu;something fundamentally broken with these people's heads. 924419;1416092816;mircea_popescu;what do they instead claim ? "Bitcoin deanonymization" 924420;1416092842;mircea_popescu;yeah, that's right. USG pseudo-secrecy agency used to fuck up idiots stupid enough to trust it now claims "it was bitcoin" 924421;1416092850;mircea_popescu;im sure it was, heh. 924422;1416092882;punkman;hah https://github.com/mapmeld/profanity65#profanity65 924423;1416092883;assbot;mapmeld/profanity65 · GitHub 924424;1416092920;mircea_popescu;"Your comment has been queued for moderation by site administrators and will be published after approval." 924425;1416092922;mircea_popescu;im sure it will be. 924426;1416093043;undata;punkman: that's incredible 924427;1416093064;undata;of note, "nsa-hugging" 924428;1416093066;undata;yes 924429;1416093730;mircea_popescu;sooo, buenos aires had this gay pride parade today. 924430;1416093753;mircea_popescu;they closed off a major street downtown (rivadavia) and put a scene up and everything in front of the cogress building 924431;1416093767;mircea_popescu;meanwhile, the parade consisted of like... i dunno, five people ? six ? 924432;1416093772;mircea_popescu;i doubt total participation was 100 heads. 924433;1416094357;jurov;interesting, last year they report over 100 thousand ppl 924434;1416094531;mircea_popescu;i saw it with own eyes, about one guy every three minutes or something 924435;1416094540;mircea_popescu;maybe it's early. 924436;1416094558;jurov;aparently it was almost banned 924437;1416094573;mircea_popescu;i dunno how banned it'd be if the city closed down a major street for it. 924438;1416094681;jurov;looks like not really banned only asked a fee for the security 924439;1416094695;jurov;and there is something about public indecent conduct 924440;1416094768;jurov;En ese fallo se responsabilizo por delitos comunes exclusivamente a la Comunidad Homosexual Argentina (CHA) y se la condenó a pagar $450.000.- por un delito ocurrido en la vereda de la plaza donde se realizaba un acto. 924441;1416094867;mircea_popescu;CHA lol. teh buttfuck foundation! it's a thing. 924442;1416094910;mircea_popescu;anyway, they have very right-wing ideas about dispensing justice here. 924443;1416095635;mircea_popescu;http://ctrlq.org/files/screenshots/6a630eefd44705f3ead4d3e81658fa9b.png <<< apparently they managed to lose some data 924444;1416095637;assbot;Digital Inspiration 924445;1416096033;BingoBoingo;Smell the onion http://pando.com/2014/11/14/tor-smear/ 924446;1416096034;assbot;How leading Tor developers and advocates tried to smear me after I reported their US Government ties | PandoDaily 924447;1416096105;mircea_popescu;interesting. now that's qntrable. 924448;1416096581;BingoBoingo;https://twitter.com/BBoingo/status/533772800516161536 924449;1416096582;assbot;This onion, it smells! http://t.co/OWgxjuDF1F /hashtag/tor?src=hash /ioerror 924450;1416097600;mircea_popescu;http://trilema.com/2014/the-lulz-of-today-ddos-attacks-ransom-notes-tor-anonimity-and-other-faits-darmes-of-the-retarded-generation/ 924451;1416097601;assbot;The lulz of today : DDoS attacks, ransom notes, Tor anonimity and other faits d’armes of the retarded generation pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. 924452;1416097604;mircea_popescu;oddly related, BingoBoingo 924453;1416098249;mircea_popescu;"You'll find the core developers are detached and very different to their users. As a developer of software myself I would find it disheartening if the bulk of my users were jerks like /r/bitcoin." 924454;1416098253;mircea_popescu;look at that, lol. 924455;1416098259;mircea_popescu;it's visible from something awful! 924456;1416098502;BingoBoingo;Yeah. Honestly at this point I just don't see many "Bitcoin Developers" actually being very attached to Bitcoin. The "Gavin wants to quit, but doesn't want to say so" hypothesis. 924457;1416098581;mircea_popescu;well, gavin wants to quit but he can't. 924458;1416098610;mircea_popescu;the "satoshi costume" is just a start, he'll wear a dead deer if it comes to it. 924459;1416098706;BingoBoingo;No shortage of those around here. Can't go for a drive of anylength without spotting venison on the roadside. 924460;1416098911;mircea_popescu;there's some super-paleo people who eat roadkill 924461;1416099071;BingoBoingo;Sure. I mean the fresh one's are probably safe, but possessing one without a tag for it... Probably safer to drive around with a trunk full of cocaine. 924462;1416099080;BingoBoingo;In terms of the legal implications. 924463;1416099105;BingoBoingo;"Conservation Police" here get to do warrantless searches. 924464;1416099141;mircea_popescu;o rly ? 924465;1416099167;mircea_popescu;prison 4 lyf for eating roadkill ? 924466;1416099170;BingoBoingo;yeah. Conservation police find the cocaine... fruit of the poisonous tree, though probably still having problems. 924467;1416099200;BingoBoingo;Not for life, but problems. The require for deer the same tag per deer required for hunting them. 924468;1416099215;mircea_popescu;and why does anyone care what they "require" ? 924469;1416099304;BingoBoingo;Only so many roads with enought traffic for reliable roadkill. The 5-0 has to take the roads too. The time it takes to drag the deer into a safe tarp and wad it up so the car's interior doesn't look like the scene of a homicide... 924470;1416099368;mircea_popescu;no dude, not like that. for all the "knife subctulture" or we it is, people spending more money and time with knives than they're worth... 924471;1416099385;mircea_popescu;just keep camping gear in the back, skin and cook the thing on the spot. 924472;1416099400;mircea_popescu;call friends to bring beer 924473;1416099407;mircea_popescu;get out before evening 924474;1416099454;BingoBoingo;Aha. 924475;1416099474;cazalla;http://qntra.net/2014/11/coinbase-rumoured-to-raise-50-million-bezzlars-down-from-150-million-bezzlars/ 924476;1416099474;assbot;Coinbase Rumoured To Raise $50 Million Bezzlars, Down From $150 Million Bezzlars | Qntra.net 924477;1416099498;mircea_popescu;awwww 924478;1416099517;BingoBoingo;I'm considering this problem in terms of where the deer are is, is on the side of the "main regional thoroughfare" normally. Because undeveloped colony. 924479;1416099540;BingoBoingo;Two lane road steady flow of cars. most hours 924480;1416099582;mircea_popescu;incidentally, am i the only one that finds it just a little amusing that torproject.org actively promotes the use of pdfs to encapsulate information that otherwise should be in a textfile or simple post ? 924481;1416099599;BingoBoingo;ie. on one end of the "highway" is the seat of county X, on the other end the seat of county Y 924482;1416099624;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: You'd probably be the only one in some other channel. 924483;1416099633;mircea_popescu;i guess so. 924484;1416099645;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo so basically not practical to just pull off road or what ? 924485;1416099681;BingoBoingo;You jsut don't have a great window ever to do it quietly under cover. 924486;1416099714;BingoBoingo;Consider this stretch of road https://www.google.com/maps/vt/data=U4aSnIyhBFNIJ3A8fCzUmaVIwyWq6RtIfB4QKiGq_w,LR8A3wsCX4O7WF8-Cb8aigY6iTF1FIBrcYw-yVrSAavWXtZ5NfG6OeE9qFNtVdMDhkNnFpmhOfI2PU3QsUWW8TFXwtA8KEdiXYSgqm9znAZCKo6cBIrHDLz430KxyNObA--GQCnxFjo-vjNVDgvuK_qdZQ,oiRvm6TLtMPKeIbqUE9FRzURnfIRIDWBlGt2jTM-5OK0ssLA8uXFkOjq-5VkzSBz6sarVJ1YPhc0bZhwS56IZ8L_31klCsxLt-sUUr-27DWv1-qczcsFi27rvooqO8cwvhenztfmuYMKZgzEXsdEB_ZtKlfUoFLgNZuvqX3J3t 924487;1416099714;assbot;Error 400 (Bad Request)!!1 924488;1416099715;BingoBoingo;T-cHnyGuZg5bcKBN5AKZQGikn4UXWSael2cfWuu8GPZMT8qTuiE--sgR0IMGZMZhEMZJLy_F7b1V52hgFCijS5ioQbrvA7j3MDZZadhYolJmG8nKy5o6FTGJTwogtdmRCZVw&h=200&w=555&scale=1 924489;1416099758;BingoBoingo;http://dpaste.com/2DR6XPG << Fucking textbining a url 924490;1416099759;assbot;dpaste: 2DR6XPG 924491;1416099778;mircea_popescu;because google. 924492;1416099882;thestringpuller;;;seen cazalla 924493;1416099882;gribble;cazalla was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 6 minutes and 48 seconds ago: http://qntra.net/2014/11/coinbase-rumoured-to-raise-50-million-bezzlars-down-from-150-million-bezzlars/ 924494;1416099899;cazalla;i'm here, what's up thestringpuller 924495;1416099903;thestringpuller;sorry not at a pc. cant read logs. 924496;1416100189;BingoBoingo;https://twitter.com/Salondotcom/status/533758402934345728 << More with the shirt from people who went from serious talk of prison rape to articles on how fat people get made fun of maor. 924497;1416100192;assbot;Hey, misogynists: The shirts that scientists wear is just as important as sending spacecrafts to comets 924498;1416100195;BingoBoingo;!up devthedev 924499;1416100285;mircea_popescu;lmao 924500;1416100295;mircea_popescu;is that like a parody ? 924501;1416100335;BingoBoingo;I think it is actually whatever derp runs Salon's twitter Saturday nights 924502;1416100363;mircea_popescu;i suppose im the only one bothered by the ebonics coming out of salondotcom ? 924503;1416100380;mircea_popescu;or is the us so poor these days that a plurality of shirts is verbally inconceivable ? 924504;1416100517;BingoBoingo;I think it's the hint of ebonics coming to dominate the USian pidgin 924505;1416100676;mircea_popescu;just like they decided a decade ago to randomly use she instead of the canonical pronoun, 924506;1416100692;mircea_popescu;now they're going to randomly put is instead of are and so forth ? 924507;1416100718;mircea_popescu;dun wanna be too cultumancated, lest anyone can tell the orcs apart from the elves ? 924508;1416100775;BingoBoingo;I don't see much other in the way of explanations unless the literate are embargoing them. 924509;1416100977;BingoBoingo;lulz at the reddit writeup on Thermos https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/2mei83/for_the_amount_of_money_that_theymos_is_paying/ 924510;1416100981;assbot;For the amount of money that Theymos is paying for new forum software, we could run a bitcoin commercial during the Super Bowl. : Bitcoin 924511;1416101069;mircea_popescu;"Gavin Andresen's salary as the full time lead developer of the entire bitcoin protocol is $209k a year." 924512;1416101070;mircea_popescu;lol 924513;1416101099;mircea_popescu;if there ever was proof positive that crime doesn't pay, gavin's income is it. 924514;1416101141;mircea_popescu;he could probably make more begging where he lives, and being a professional beggar would actually be much more respectable and honorable than being bitcoin's 5th column. 924515;1416101230;BingoBoingo;At that income level Gavin's basically in the trap doctors find themsevles when they realize they hate draining abcesses, but their only other prospect is long haul trucking. 924516;1416101330;BingoBoingo;Except doctors can count on the MRSA spider always targeting junkies, while Gavin is at the whims of Vessennes burn rate http://www.gomerblog.com/2014/11/mrsa-2/ 924517;1416101331;assbot;Devious MRSA Spider Bites Yet Another Antecubital Fossa; Remains at Large | GomerBlog 924518;1416101369;PeterL;mircea_popescu: fixed the blog site 924519;1416102128;mircea_popescu;a cool 924520;1416102140;mircea_popescu;PeterL so what about scoopbot uptime ? what keeps taking it down ? 924521;1416102188;PeterL;well, it was not set up to reconnect if it lost the connection 924522;1416102212;PeterL;I have been working on adding threading to monitor the connection 924523;1416102237;PeterL;but I have never done anything quite like this, so I am learning as I go 924524;1416102258;mircea_popescu;but do you know how it dies ? anything in the logs ? 924525;1416102288;PeterL;I am still not sure why it is dying 924526;1416102302;mircea_popescu;are you running it on a linux box ? 924527;1416102311;PeterL;yes 924528;1416102368;mircea_popescu;until myserver; do echo "Server 'myserver' crashed with exit code $?. Respawning.." >&2 sleep 1 done ? 924529;1416102410;mircea_popescu;then look in stderr see what codes pop up 924530;1416102417;mircea_popescu;you can just grep for "crashed with exit code" or w/e 924531;1416102420;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 1298 @ 0.001195 = 1.5511 BTC [-] {3} 924532;1416102553;mircea_popescu;speaking of which : another thing systemv does badly : it tries to restart stuff based on pidfiles. 924533;1416102642;undata;what are the irc bots around these parts based upon? 924534;1416102651;mircea_popescu;generally supybot 924535;1416102694;undata;shameless friend plug: https://github.com/kyleterry/tenyks 924536;1416102695;assbot;kyleterry/tenyks · GitHub 924537;1416102700;undata;that thing's pretty good, used in another channel 924538;1416102721;mircea_popescu;what is it, go ? 924539;1416102750;mircea_popescu;there was also a ruby one but i dont recall right off what. 924540;1416102751;undata;mircea_popescu: yeah, the core is written in go, then services in whathaveyou 924541;1416102916;RagnarDanneskjol;that tenyks is very nicely done 924542;1416102974;undata;RagnarDanneskjol: I'm sure he'll enjoy hearing that. 924543;1416103204;decimation;if gavin is a pauper than I'm in the poor house 924544;1416103236;BingoBoingo;decimation: No, they feed, clothe, and work you at the poor house. Also curfews and such. 924545;1416103255;decimation;I wonder how many commits he has to make per week to keep his salary 924546;1416103272;decimation;can he take a few months off like ascii dreams? 924547;1416104734;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: it's not a bad theory in any sense. got any policy proposals based on it ? << beyond 'open a physical empire where we can all defect to and die like men in the janissary corps' - no useful idea. 924548;1416104739;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: not from my puny brain. 924549;1416104866;decimation;https://www.bellingcat.com/news/2014/11/14/russian-state-television-shares-fake-images-of-mh17-being-attacked/?PageSpeed=noscript 924550;1416104867;assbot;bellingcat - Russian State Television Shares Fake Images of MH17 Being Attacked 924551;1416104868;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: however, ben himself wants a tower of hydrocarbons. and if he gets it, he'll want something else. << actually, afaik what he was speaking for is my escape rocket metaphor. 924552;1416104879;undata;asciilifeform: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zone_for_Employment_and_Economic_Development_%28Honduras%29 ?? 924553;1416104880;assbot;Zone for Employment and Economic Development (Honduras) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia 924554;1416104914;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: the discussion was not about 'enough money', but about the distinct and clearly identifiable phase transition where your time becomes 100% your own 924555;1416104917;ben_vulpes;https://s3-us-west-2.amazonaws.com/wedged-blockchains/237902.tar.gz.00 , https://s3-us-west-2.amazonaws.com/wedged-blockchains/237902.tar.gz.01 for those looking to wedge a blockchain of their own 924556;1416104927;asciilifeform;e.g. 'taleb mode' 924557;1416104930;decimation;asciilifeform: maybe you can get a job at the 'bitcoin foundation' for $209k 924558;1416104936;asciilifeform;or, alternatively, in the other direction of spectrum, perelman mode. 924559;1416104944;asciilifeform;decimation: or city dogcatcher, lol 924560;1416104945;decimation;ah thanks ben 924561;1416104961;decimation;asciilifeform: actually many cops make near $200k with overtime 924562;1416104971;asciilifeform;decimation: but they have to work. 924563;1416104977;asciilifeform;as in, physically go places and do things 924564;1416104978;decimation;well, 'work' 924565;1416104982;decimation;true 924566;1416105004;asciilifeform;decimation: i don't think anyone here has trouble getting money by working. 924567;1416105018;decimation;if you watch 'the wire' one would believe that a possible option would be to sit in your car on the highway and get drunk 924568;1416105054;asciilifeform;if you watch the right televised strange, one could believe that one possible option for space flight is to light one's farts. 924569;1416105065;decimation;heh 924570;1416105070;ben_vulpes;decimation: i'm inching up on 252450, will post more as i gin them up 924571;1416105085;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: i suspect that there is nothing magic about that block 924572;1416105100;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: but simply happens to be when my box exhausted ram from leakage and began to fandango on the db. 924573;1416105115;decimation;asciilifeform: yeah if it is a memory stop it is probably hardware specific 924574;1416105132;asciilifeform;decimation: wasn't a memory stop as such 924575;1416105134;decimation;ben_vulpes: what platform are you working on? 924576;1416105140;ben_vulpes;debian 6 924577;1416105147;asciilifeform;decimation: but at one point exhausted ram, but blockchain remained wedged upon restart 924578;1416105151;BingoBoingo; decimation: i don't think anyone here has trouble getting money by working. << I was not able to secure seasonal retail work again this year. I suspect I'm already on a list to "have problems" 924579;1416105182;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo is trying to retain some dignity (has not yet fallen into programming, for example) 924580;1416105194;undata;bah, sling php, get dollars 924581;1416105200;undata;better than folding shirts 924582;1416105223;decimation;I had a lawyer friend who used to be a prosecutor near asciilifeform. He was told not to frequent the local fast food joints because of the poulation of ex-convicts 924583;1416105241;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: i do not exactly believe b-a is intended for the workaday people. << do elaborate. should all of us but you & kako pack up? or some other thing implied 924584;1416105277;BingoBoingo;I think I've mentioned here before that after grad school I worked at McDonalds for ~6 weeks to break local kids spirits. 924585;1416105280;ben_vulpes;asciilifeform: i'd love to confirm that for you 924586;1416105303;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: how did you resist the army? 924587;1416105303;decimation;right, and in a related point - if $209k per year makes one a pauper, how much is the real bitcoin foundation going to pay? 924588;1416105323;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: Too neurologically interesting to enlist. 924589;1416105350;BingoBoingo; mircea_popescu: i do not exactly believe b-a is intended for the workaday people. << do elaborate. should all of us but you & kako pack up? or some other thing implied << I believe for the rest #b-a is Frankenstein's attic laboratory 924590;1416105355;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: when working as an r&d contractor grunt, i met plenty of folks in uniform happily 'flying the mahogany bomber' 924591;1416105369;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: they mostly had uni degrees though 924592;1416105385;decimation;asciilifeform: me too. if cards are played right, most mil can write their own tickets in contract jobs 924593;1416105410;decimation;also military benefits are incredibly generous considering the level of education of most enlisted 924594;1416105521;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: My brain caught fire a bit too early. When medical records came up post ASVAB offers of pick your field turned into, "trust us, we'll find a nice place for you" 924595;1416105530;asciilifeform;arrakis os << yet another 'c' microkernel os. snore. snore... 924596;1416105539;asciilifeform;when will the academics finally starve. 924597;1416105563;BingoBoingo;In agriculture department academics never starve. 924598;1416105569;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: what was the offered place? ball turret gunner? 924599;1416105582;decimation;lol 924600;1416105594;decimation;I think the last of those were phased out in the 60's 924601;1416105600;*;asciilifeform behind the times 924602;1416105691;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: Post asvab pre-medical write up offers involved language school or medical/technical fields, after when "trust us" I began suspecting "cooks assistant" and latrine crew 924603;1416105723;asciilifeform;language school or medical/technical fields << what were you hoping to become instead ? 924604;1416105755;decimation;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/B-52_Stratofortress << ' removal of the tail gun in 1991' wow later than I thought 924605;1416105758;assbot;Boeing B-52 Stratofortress - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia 924606;1416105794;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: I probably would have signed for those. But... shift in tenor came when time to draft actual contract. 924607;1416105887;decimation;BingoBoingo: did they make you take the mmpi? 924608;1416105893;decimation;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Minnesota_Multiphasic_Personality_Inventory 924609;1416105894;assbot;Minnesota Multiphasic Personality Inventory - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia 924610;1416106009;BingoBoingo;decimation: I don't remember that one specifically, but... pretty sure bring a folder of medical records is a part of what did in my chances for interesting stuff. Amazing what a trip to the wrong part of the hospital can do for your prospects 924611;1416106009;assbot;AMAZING COMPANY! 924612;1416106085;undata;BingoBoingo: do the wrong drugs as a kid? 924613;1416106087;asciilifeform;can he take a few months off like ascii dreams << when did i ever say 'few months' 924614;1416106106;asciilifeform;'few months' is about as useful as 'few thousand usd' 924615;1416106113;asciilifeform;which is to say, not really at all. 924616;1416106114;undata;BingoBoingo: not an insult; I've heard horror stories of kids tripping, getting hauled into the psych ward 924617;1416106151;BingoBoingo;undata: Nah. Some people's brains don't self regulate well. Maybe it's genetic, maybe it was West Nile. 924618;1416106191;undata;ah, that'll do it too 924619;1416106230;BingoBoingo;I got my school bezzel so probably actually netted more value in the end. 924620;1416106272;undata;when I was younger a doctor put me on an antipsychotic for a bit due to "depression" 924621;1416106285;undata;a second doctor bothered with blood work and I was merely low on a few vitamins 924622;1416106291;undata;american medicine is a scam 924623;1416106352;decimation;asciilifeform: you would like to be more like maxwell? 924624;1416106355;BingoBoingo;I'm not a big fan of antipsychotics, make me feel like Micheal J Fox. Anticonvulsants though, particularly lamotrigine... do my brain well 924625;1416106370;asciilifeform;decimation: the example i usually offer is n. taleb 924626;1416106377;asciilifeform;decimation: because he is familiar to the folks here 924627;1416106407;undata;BingoBoingo: yeah, if things like diet and exercise don't help, there are always actual neurological issues to consider 924628;1416106408;decimation;yeah. actually the first one that came to my mind was Don Colacho 924629;1416106415;undata;hard to trust diagnoses with a pfizer clock on the wall 924630;1416106467;BingoBoingo;undata: Well, I tend towards generics. Recently though ETOH has been the anticonvulsant of choice. 924631;1416106490;decimation;http://don-colacho.blogspot.com/2011/03/2921.html 924632;1416106491;assbot;Don Colacho’s Aphorisms: #2,921 924633;1416106565;BingoBoingo;https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Exploding_head_syndrome << most interesting event I've had with regularity. Not interested in Clomipramine at all though because I like getting boners. 924634;1416106567;assbot;Exploding head syndrome - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia 924635;1416106655;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: gentoo << complicated. the lead dev surrendered to microshit (literally) some years ago, and it's been run by a skeleton crew ever since, with numerous high-profile catastrophes (of the 'your machine is suddenly rendered unusable by a perfectly innocent-looking action' variety) -- but there is -no- adequate replacement to this day. 924636;1416106672;undata;asciilifeform: hm, hasn't been my experience 924637;1416106675;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: to some extend it exactly mirrors the bitcoind situation - in that every serious user more or less has his own private fork. 924638;1416106676;undata;anecdotally speaking 924639;1416106687;asciilifeform;undata probably updates his box 924640;1416106691;undata;ah, that I agree with, but that's part of the beauty 924641;1416106698;undata;maybe not for everyone for the same reason 924642;1416106698;decimation;asciilifeform: I thought mr. robbins quit and started his own gentoo fork? 924643;1416106713;decimation;http://www.funtoo.org/Welcome 924644;1416106714;assbot;Funtoo 924645;1416106750;BingoBoingo;Ah, funtoo, the bring your own kernel adventure 924646;1416106755;*;asciilifeform never tried 'funtoo', cannot speak for it 924647;1416106793;decimation;http://www.funtoo.org/Funtoo_Linux_FAQ << "Part of the distinctiveness of Funtoo Linux is its dependency-based OpenRC init system, so changing this would make it something other than Funtoo Linux. So we do not support systemd as part of Funtoo Linux. " 924648;1416106794;assbot;Funtoo Linux FAQ - Funtoo 924649;1416106806;undata;I can attest to gentoo granting you the right to blow your hand off at every step 924650;1416106819;undata;but also to a well-tuned gentoo install feeling a lot like a well-tuned emacs 924651;1416106822;asciilifeform;undata: i still haven't forgiven the xorg thing 924652;1416106825;undata;"ah, this is precisely what I wanted" 924653;1416106828;asciilifeform;well yes. 924654;1416106833;asciilifeform;this is why folks use it. 924655;1416106836;decimation;asciilifeform: you mean the move from x11 to xorg? 924656;1416106853;asciilifeform;but the cost, for people who did not spend the last decade with it, is high. 924657;1416106863;decimation;running gentoo certainly gives you a motvation to scale down the lines of code in your system 924658;1416106887;decimation;I remember running with KDE 10 years ago and dreading the 24 hour compiles 924659;1416106896;asciilifeform;lol kde 924660;1416106911;decimation;kde used to not be a steaming turdpile 924661;1416106925;*;asciilifeform regards all mousy wm as turd 924662;1416106931;*;BingoBoingo remeber running it of FreeBSD at work in 2004 924663;1416106940;undata;with a relatively modern machine the compile time isn't so bad 924664;1416106949;decimation;but instead of being the 'adult' alternative to gnome, kde surrendered to idiocy 924665;1416106950;ben_vulpes;gentoo quest 924666;1416106953;undata;and you get to make decisions like turning on stack protector and whatnot 924667;1416106979;BingoBoingo;decimation: Well, the KDE problem is they went from desktop environment to software development club in the bad way 924668;1416107020;decimation;yeah. I remember using slackware 3 on my old 486, and barely getting X to run - and also wondering what its point would be 924669;1416107028;asciilifeform;incidentally, try this today. 924670;1416107031;asciilifeform;you'll get nowhere. 924671;1416107050;decimation;asciilifeform: you mean making aggressive compiler optimizations? 924672;1416107063;asciilifeform;i know of no setup where it is possible to set up even a very decent 486 in such a way that it can be used for serious work today. 924673;1416107073;asciilifeform;tried it personally, and put in a good effort, a year or so ago 924674;1416107080;decimation;yeah. I was able to get plenty to run back in in the mid 90's 924675;1416107081;asciilifeform;the main culprit is the www crud 924676;1416107088;asciilifeform;as recently as 2004, you could. 924677;1416107120;BingoBoingo;!up devthedev 924678;1416107120;asciilifeform;a recent openbsd (what i eventually settled on for that machine) consumes virtually the whole 64m. 924679;1416107124;decimation;asciilifeform: did you have 'compuserve' back in the day? 924680;1416107125;asciilifeform;nope 924681;1416107128;asciilifeform;not 'aol' either 924682;1416107132;asciilifeform;never even saw them alive. 924683;1416107135;undata;decimation: ah I had that 924684;1416107147;asciilifeform;bbs-en - yes 924685;1416107151;undata;I vaguely remember gopher sites as a young kid 924686;1416107154;decimation;compuserve was kind of a giant bbs 924687;1416107164;asciilifeform;yes, but for money. 924688;1416107168;asciilifeform;and with lamers 924689;1416107175;*;BingoBoingo remember AOL for the copious coaster they mailed 924690;1416107178;decimation;yeah there were free forums as I recal 924691;1416107180;devthedev;I wasn't even alive during the days of CompuServe 924692;1416107183;asciilifeform;i liked the aol floppy disks. 924693;1416107188;asciilifeform;although they were shoddy 924694;1416107196;decimation;BingoBoingo: I had a friend who would call aol every day for a new 'demo floppy' 924695;1416107200;decimation;he accumulated a pile 924696;1416107212;decimation;later they switched to cds 924697;1416107213;asciilifeform;i still have 'doom' on a stack of aol floppies somewhere. 924698;1416107216;BingoBoingo;Oh, we never got their attention until the CD era 924699;1416107239;decimation;back in my youth I actually ran a tcp/ip node on an 8086 924700;1416107248;BingoBoingo;Though CD's make for poor coasters in practice 924701;1416107261;decimation;it was connected to a radio modem and managed to pass tcp to other ham radio operators 924702;1416107280;decimation;ran this >> http://www.ka9q.net/code/ka9qnos/ 924703;1416107284;asciilifeform;my point earlier was that code bloat is ubiquitous and pestilential and finally made the old hardware unusable with software of even moderately distant (starting '05 or so) vintage. 924704;1416107289;BingoBoingo;They distribute moisture too evenly over the surface so that it manages to still contact the tabletop 924705;1416107345;decimation;I bet you could still run 'lynx' on a 486 924706;1416107358;asciilifeform;'lynx' - yes. 924707;1416107362;asciilifeform;and that's more or less it. 924708;1416107405;decimation;the question is - what have we 'bought' for all this bloatware? 924709;1416107411;*;asciilifeform regular user of 'lynx', perhaps one of ten left... 924710;1416107419;BingoBoingo;This is reminiscent of how Mac OS 9 is less viable on the Internet than OS 7.5.1 924711;1416107423;decimation;I recall using netscape 1.0 and the user experience was pretty much the same as firefox 30 924712;1416107430;asciilifeform;aha. 924713;1416107440;decimation;asciilifeform: I use elinks occasionally 924714;1416107446;asciilifeform;in most ways - better. because less retardation in the payloads. 924715;1416107460;decimation;right, no javascript, just html and pictures 924716;1416107465;BingoBoingo;The problem with Mac OS 8 and later is that it tempts with the fatally broken. 924717;1416107482;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: i know of no serious difference between 7.5 and 8 924718;1416107484;decimation;BingoBoingo: my experience with macs pre OSX were all macos 8 and 9 - and they both sucked ass 924719;1416107502;decimation;at least with the shitware I was running, they would regularly crash 924720;1416107508;decimation;and take down the whole machine 924721;1416107515;asciilifeform;aha, 'cooperative multitasking' 924722;1416107523;decimation;heh yeah exactly 924723;1416107534;asciilifeform;(9 was to have memory protection, but the brass over-ruled it) 924724;1416107546;decimation;one wonders what would have happened if apple actually went down the lisp machine route 924725;1416107546;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: While 8 could be forced onto Pre-RISC macs, the result is, and I emphasize IS, never pretty. 924726;1416107572;BingoBoingo;"Apple" never had a chance at that. 924727;1416107582;*;asciilifeform is not particularly in love with the 68k 924728;1416107603;decimation;I remember having to program a 68k variant microcontroller in school, wasn't too bad 924729;1416107623;BingoBoingo;It was on the Ti-89 I had and the computer I acquired in the same window of time. My affinity is probably mostly through familiarity 924730;1416107624;decimation;68hc12 as I recall 924731;1416107743;asciilifeform;profanity65 << pure genius. 924732;1416107810;decimation;lol 924733;1416107990;*;BingoBoingo suspects there are more similarities between http://scores.espn.go.com/ncf/boxscore?gameId=400548341 and Bitcoin than many might suspect. 924734;1416107990;assbot;Missouri Tigers vs. Texas A&M Aggies - Box Score - November 15, 2014 - ESPN 924735;1416108012;asciilifeform;unfortunately BingoBoingo may be the only man alive who can see this similarity 924736;1416108041;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: I consider it the privledge of being neurologically deviant 924737;1416108073;BingoBoingo;The cost of waking up occasionally with a bout of exploding head is an acceptable cost. 924738;1416108094;decimation;BingoBoingo: is that 'painful'? 924739;1416108186;BingoBoingo;decimation: Not "painful" as in pain pain. More like having a strong electrical current between your temple and ear while your legs cramp in a way that might need ice in the morning. More discomfort than pain proper. 924740;1416108220;decimation;that sounds unpleasant, for sure 924741;1416108343;BingoBoingo;Eh, you get used to it. After about the 5th time when you get rather sure you aren't dying it's not hard to just go back the fuck to sleep by waiting it out. 924742;1416108352;asciilifeform;if $209k per year makes one a pauper << consider applying my ad hoc formula: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-10-2014#869923 924743;1416108352;assbot;Logged on 13-10-2014 01:35:27; asciilifeform: rephrase, if you like, as 'unit of discretionary income per unit of lost free time.' 924744;1416108395;asciilifeform;^ this, afaik, covers all edge cases 924745;1416108411;asciilifeform;for example, gavin, a paid shill, has no free time (he is not his own man) 924746;1416108425;asciilifeform;a mental patient, likewise 924747;1416108455;asciilifeform;implied divisions by zero - intentional. 924748;1416108551;BingoBoingo; unfortunately BingoBoingo may be the only man alive who can see this similarity << So the most superficial similarity is the media narrative. A&M is perenial legit title contender while MIZ accidentallied the SEC east championship last year and accidentally is in the lead to win it again this year. 924749;1416108559;decimation;asciilifeform: do you think gavin works 40 hours per week on the git repo? 924750;1416108561;asciilifeform;^ may as well be in chinese 924751;1416108568;asciilifeform;(BingoBoingo) 924752;1416108582;asciilifeform;decimation: that was not the point 924753;1416108596;asciilifeform;decimation: but that he is not actually free to, for example, do a 'decent' bitcoind 924754;1416108602;asciilifeform;handler - would not approve. 924755;1416108616;asciilifeform;his pay is in fact contingent not only on 'playing ball' but continued usefulness to handler 924756;1416108619;asciilifeform;which is not guaranteed 924757;1416108640;decimation;well, the bigger point - do we really think his 'foundation' is going to last that long anyway? 924758;1416108666;decimation;so while he might be able to skate for a few years, later he's a pauper in retirement living on government cheese 924759;1416108666;asciilifeform;if it were to implode, the shills will be placed into similar roles elsewhere 924760;1416108682;asciilifeform;assuming they have not fallen into official disfavour by then. 924761;1416108717;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: So there's a media narrative when team A is having a horrible year that supposed they were good enough to win if only the competition wasn't so strong. But the narrative for Team B is that they are so miserable and wouldn't be winning if only their competition wasn't so weak. And then teams A and B finally meet and in the game B actually maintains a position of superiority. 924762;1416108728;decimation;at any rate, I get you point, but you realize that the number of folks who are 'free' by your definition are probably less than a few thousand in the us 924763;1416108743;asciilifeform;decimation: possibly even fewer. 924764;1416108757;asciilifeform;although how could i possibly know. 924765;1416108806;BingoBoingo;And in the course of writing that Mizzou leads Texas Ass&Mouth 34-20 now because they scored another touchdown. 924766;1416108813;decimation;certainly the inflationary currency, the confiscatory taxation, and the expense of home and bread combine to make this lifestyle nearly impossible in the us 924767;1416108934;asciilifeform;decimation: however, there is perhaps a million people in usa who, if they were to suffer some form of 'brain parasite', could easily jump the border and live this way on the capital they could smuggle out. 924768;1416108975;decimation;yeah that's probably true 924769;1416108979;asciilifeform;the capital controls being slowly worked in, are mainly to guard against this. 924770;1416108987;decimation;a portion of them are doing exactly that every year 924771;1416109312;BingoBoingo;https://twitter.com/JoseCanseco/status/533406823152226305 924772;1416109314;assbot;My finger should have been amputated from the beginning. It was very loose with no bone to connect it.it was also smelling really bad. 924773;1416109396;BingoBoingo;And twitter censored the picture of the actual necrotic finger 924774;1416109425;asciilifeform;did i miss something? how did we get to gangrene ? 924775;1416109430;*;asciilifeform reads log 924776;1416109456;asciilifeform;or was this something to do with the sportsmen 924777;1416109475;ben_vulpes;non sequitur by my read 924778;1416109481;asciilifeform;ah 924779;1416109504;decimation;asciilifeform: I found some amusing info: https://antipolygraph.org/blog/2014/11/15/doug-williams-indicted-for-teaching-how-to-pass-a-polygraph-test/ 924780;1416109506;assbot;Doug Williams Indicted for Teaching How to Pass a Polygraph Test | AntiPolygraph.org News 924781;1416109513;asciilifeform;aha that was in here earlier i think 924782;1416109522;asciilifeform;and indictment was on 'cryptome' last night. 924783;1416109534;asciilifeform;peculiarly corrupted fax scan, too 924784;1416109538;asciilifeform;much snow. 924785;1416109551;decimation;apparently the detail there is that all of the 'evidence' was collected by undercover cops 924786;1416109567;asciilifeform;as different from virtually everywhere else? 924787;1416109615;decimation;so basically they are going to try to convict this guy for training people pretending to be people who take usg's pseudoscience seriously 924788;1416109635;decimation;This lead me to this guy http://www.c-span.org/video/?200264-1/book-discussion-true-believer 924789;1416109637;assbot;Book Discussion True Believer | Video | C-SPAN.org 924790;1416109648;asciilifeform;he's being zapped for 'l�se-majest�'. 924791;1416109652;asciilifeform;big fat surprise. 924792;1416109662;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: He was the sportsman in the 1990's shot his finger off a few weeks ago. Reattached. "Modern Medicine" has problems. 924793;1416109727;decimation;"ONE THING YOU MIGHT HAVE NOTICED THROUGHOUT THIS WHOLE THING I MENTIONED AT LEAST TWICE, THAT ANA PASSED OUR POLYGRAPH EXAMINATION 1994 THAT DID NOT DETER ME OR FBI FROM PURSUING THIS. WE KNEW SHE PASSED THAT EXAM, SO WHAT?" 924794;1416109747;decimation;"WHEN I WAS ACTIVELY DISCOURAGING HER FROM TAKING ANOTHER EXAMPLE QUOTE FRANKLY I WAS AFRAID THAT SHE WOULD PASS IT AGAIN. THAT WOULD NOT HELP ME OUT OF IT. " 924795;1416109775;asciilifeform;they preferentially target the retarded for prosecution, big news. 924796;1416109778;decimation;so an actual usg spycatcher actually caught found that the polygraph actually hindered his investigation 924797;1416109893;decimation;asciilifeform: it would be more honest if usg made its agents walk on coals and swear secret loyalty to the civil service - it would be much more honest and straighforward 924798;1416109963;asciilifeform;decimation: aha but the 'scientific' flavour. 924799;1416109965;asciilifeform;see also: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=27-07-2014#772419 924800;1416109965;assbot;Logged on 27-07-2014 17:35:40; asciilifeform: the one common anthropological thread i see here is that most governments insist on some 'national' symbolic meaning in their chosen means of execution. e.g., the french guillotine across all five 'republics' 924801;1416109976;asciilifeform;(different thread, similar concept) 924802;1416110084;decimation;asciilifeform: there was another interesting story on that site: https://antipolygraph.org/blog/2014/10/15/federal-polygraph-school-gave-countermeasure-information-to-polygraph-company/ 924803;1416110085;assbot;Federal Polygraph School Gave Countermeasure Information to Polygraph Company | AntiPolygraph.org News 924804;1416110125;decimation;apparently usg agents are zealously evangelizing their 'secret' polygraph faith around the world 924805;1416110128;asciilifeform;incidentall,y 924806;1416110129;asciilifeform;http://imgur.com/lpIrYSr 924807;1416110130;assbot; 'Grass' Model 79 D - Imgur 924808;1416110139;asciilifeform;^ saw this alive in a university surplus shop last week. 924809;1416110145;asciilifeform;apparently they are common as dirt 924810;1416110159;asciilifeform;and nobody wants the crud - computerized eeg is pocket-sized 924811;1416110172;asciilifeform;this is a standard usg 'lie detector.' 924812;1416110183;asciilifeform;iirc it was going for fiddybucks or so. 924813;1416110190;asciilifeform;complete with chart printer. 924814;1416110194;decimation;lol that would be amusing as a party trick 924815;1416110227;asciilifeform;someone who wants to make a spy drama film, will buy it. 924816;1416110232;asciilifeform;for any other purpose, quite useless. 924817;1416110261;decimation;asciilifeform: you could probably get grant money from usg if you were a scamademic 924818;1416110264;asciilifeform;the physical workmanship of the knobs, etc. - was superb. 924819;1416110274;asciilifeform;decimation: i was drummed out of scamademia many years ago. 924820;1416110301;decimation;yeah that's all 'mil-spec' hardware, with the 'round' connectors 924821;1416110317;asciilifeform;superbly machined aluminum, brass knobs. 924822;1416110326;asciilifeform;very satisfying 'click', too 924823;1416110332;asciilifeform;i suspect the theatrical aspects demanded this. 924824;1416110346;decimation;you should have bought it for the rotary switches 924825;1416110359;asciilifeform;vita brevis. 924826;1416110363;decimation;yeah only someone attending to 'serious business' would have a setup like that 924827;1416110399;decimation;imagine the mind of the 'interviewee': surely usg wouldn't spend bezzlars on those fine knobs if this wasn't serious business 924828;1416110409;asciilifeform;this is perhaps the 3rd time i see one of these for sale, too 924829;1416110415;asciilifeform;(in person, not even counting 'ebay') 924830;1416110433;asciilifeform;there seems to be an inexhaustible supply of them around here. 924831;1416110449;decimation;do you have a favorite 'junk dealer' in the dc area? 924832;1416110454;asciilifeform;a number of them. 924833;1416110476;decimation;I know that there are many scavengers who survive on reselling usg surplus 924834;1416110488;asciilifeform;yes. 924835;1416110524;decimation;related: " The revolutionary does not discover the “authentic spirit of the revolution” except before the revolutionary tribunal that condemns him." http://don-colacho.blogspot.com/2010/08/1665.html 924836;1416110526;assbot;Don Colacho’s Aphorisms: #1,665 924837;1416110536;asciilifeform;if you come across one, know that usg mandates disk sanitation pre-surplus, but no such law is enforced on contractors... 924838;1416110573;decimation;asciilifeform: I think it depends if there was anything 'secret' on the drive - in that case it probably must be destroyed 924839;1416110588;asciilifeform;statutorily - yes 924840;1416110589;decimation;but for that reason most contractors are reluctant to 'donate' their hardware in such a way 924841;1416110591;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform action like what ? 924842;1416110626;asciilifeform;like installing updated video board driver 924843;1416110634;asciilifeform;(if re: gentoo) 924844;1416110653;mircea_popescu;but i mean... rendered unusalbe as in you can't get a terminal on your monitor 924845;1416110660;asciilifeform;as in, can't get x 924846;1416110662;mircea_popescu;not as in, well the hdd's wiped and the bios randomly rewired 924847;1416110663;mircea_popescu;right 924848;1416110671;mircea_popescu;that's endemic with x. 924849;1416110686;asciilifeform;it's pestilentially endemic with any tall dependency stack. 924850;1416110695;asciilifeform;knock out brick from bottom - all falls. 924851;1416110729;decimation;the pile of chairs gets mighty fragile 924852;1416110740;undata;set proper VIDEO_CARDS, emerge -avuDN @world, config kernel, reboot 924853;1416110743;mircea_popescu;anyway, i suppose the "so ssh then" only works for people who youi knw, actually own multiple computers 924854;1416110748;mircea_popescu;ie, 1% of the 8bn 924855;1416110757;asciilifeform;that was decade ago 924856;1416110760;decimation;or 'use serial port' 924857;1416110765;asciilifeform;now, anyone with access to a skip owns arbitrarily many 924858;1416110771;mircea_popescu;lol 924859;1416110779;asciilifeform;but if you think keeping one gentoo box around is work, try five. 924860;1416110802;mircea_popescu;anyway, what i said was, to noobs looking at linux 924861;1416110806;undata;I don't do any more work administrating mine than debian. 924862;1416110811;mircea_popescu;i guess ubuntu 10.04 could be the alternative. 924863;1416110821;asciilifeform;at any rate, no box i ever owned was rendered entirely unbootable by a braindamaged gentoo 924864;1416110832;asciilifeform;one can always get a text tty 924865;1416110843;mircea_popescu;problem is, yoyu get them on ubuntu, next you know they think it's windows and update 924866;1416110847;mircea_popescu;next you know they ARE on windows. 924867;1416110852;asciilifeform;although destroying sole means of network connectivity and ending up snaking a ppp link across room, is good times 924868;1416110853;decimation;purists avoid 'vga' console for serial term 924869;1416110887;asciilifeform;vga for serial, wat 924870;1416110904;asciilifeform;probably meant 'text mode' tty ? 924871;1416110911;asciilifeform;as in, the one normal people see on boot 924872;1416110919;decimation;no I mean no video card, serial tty only 924873;1416110923;asciilifeform;aha 924874;1416110923;decimation;some bioses support this 924875;1416110939;asciilifeform;well, you only need bios support to access the bios menu this way 924876;1416110948;decimation;true. 924877;1416110951;asciilifeform;otherwise any reasonably-civilized os will do 924878;1416110963;decimation;the vga console code on linux still sucks after all these years 924879;1416110972;asciilifeform;i and probably everyone else here has owned plenty of boxes with no video output hardware at all. 924880;1416110972;decimation;many folks trying to get low latency ditch it 924881;1416110978;undata;asciilifeform: I'm surprised you don't like gentoo, given you tend to advocate actually knowing what your computer's doing, and why 924882;1416110986;asciilifeform;i use gentoo exclusively. 924883;1416110995;undata;asciilifeform: ah! then you have every right to hate it. 924884;1416111001;asciilifeform;or, almost exclusively (got a few bsd boxen around) 924885;1416111008;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform: as in, physically go places and do things << dunkin donuts ? 924886;1416111018;decimation;I might try 'funtoo' if he is serious about no systemd 924887;1416111038;mircea_popescu;im bashing that exchange lol 924888;1416111046;mircea_popescu;"o, then you have every right to hate it" lmao 924889;1416111079;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: even if the work of a policeman consisted solely in going to a doughnut shop and eating a kg of garbage every day, so long as he -must- -- that is still work. 924890;1416111092;asciilifeform;as in, arbeit macht frei. 924891;1416111093;mircea_popescu;yes yes, i know whatcha mean. 924892;1416111124;asciilifeform;i was unaware that gentoo was on 'hate radar' for folks who aren't using it 924893;1416111152;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform: decimation: but at one point exhausted ram, but blockchain remained wedged upon restart <<< speaking of this, there's an option to close with detached bdb 924894;1416111165;mircea_popescu;this is useful if you keep stopping every x blocks, backuping bdb files 924895;1416111185;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes ^ 924896;1416111187;decimation;mircea_popescu: you mean running bdb as a separate process? 924897;1416111216;mircea_popescu;no no, bitcoin itself can close in such a way so as to not leave its own state crud crudely saved 924898;1416111236;mircea_popescu;this would seem to sane minds the only way to close, but then it "took too long", so... 924899;1416111247;decimation;ah I see 924900;1416111277;decimation;which would help differentiate between 'wedged bitcoind state' and 'wedged bdb state' 924901;1416111315;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i do not exactly believe b-a is intended for the workaday people. << do elaborate. should all of us but you & kako pack up? or some other thing implied << well, i know you self-motivate by refusing to see some degrees, but there are some degrees. 924902;1416111329;asciilifeform;let's have the cold equations 924903;1416111334;asciilifeform;which degrees ? 924904;1416111349;cazalla;this fkn conference i'm streaming.. "cold storage is out dated, it's about multisig now".. where do you see bitcoin in 20 years time? "something like email where you can instantly send value over the internet" 924905;1416111351;*;asciilifeform genuinely curious 924906;1416111363;mircea_popescu;consider the case of the various chicks that came to show their tits for .1 btc 924907;1416111370;asciilifeform;cazalla wallowing with the eagles, lol 924908;1416111374;mircea_popescu;they didn't stick around. why this ? 924909;1416111389;mircea_popescu;one explanation, that persuades me, it's because they dun have the time to. because they gotta work. 924910;1416111393;asciilifeform;on account of having exhausted the fountain ? 924911;1416111408;asciilifeform;if they could get the .1 again and again - perhaps would 924912;1416111413;mircea_popescu;the fountain's still going. 924913;1416111422;mircea_popescu;well, the .1 ain't, in my mind, the actual larger half. 924914;1416111425;asciilifeform;iirc you only paid per set of tits ? 924915;1416111430;mircea_popescu;sure. 924916;1416111440;asciilifeform;and each gurl shipped with 1 set. 924917;1416111456;mircea_popescu;but consider other example : http://trilema.com/2013/internet-story/ 924918;1416111457;assbot;Internet story pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. 924919;1416111477;mircea_popescu;2nd quote most relevant. 924920;1416111512;asciilifeform;aha 924921;1416111542;mircea_popescu;put it another way : if i didn't think the .1 is the smaller half, i wouldn't be giving it out in the first place. 924922;1416111550;asciilifeform;if here 1 -> 2 continued to 2 -> 4 -> 8 -> ... ... maxint - then yes, interesting 924923;1416111558;asciilifeform;if a successful las vegas roll - less so. 924924;1416111560;mircea_popescu;so, degrees. for most chicks, the cheese dispensed by the cheese dispenser is all there is. 924925;1416111576;mircea_popescu;for some chicks, the fact that how the shot does a cheese dispenser work ?! is a more pressing question. 924926;1416111579;undata;this is such a strangely wonderful place 924927;1416111607;mircea_popescu;so there are degrees. yes, everyone in the bezzle is in the bezzle. 924928;1416111628;mircea_popescu;some guys work three jobs to try and get the kid in school where he can work in a sv startup. this is a degree of improvement. 924929;1416111646;mircea_popescu;then maybe one day the kid gets to the point where he even has the freedom to consider wtf he's doing. further degree. 924930;1416111651;mircea_popescu;plenty of degrees. 924931;1416111653;*;undata fist bumps with ben_vulpes 924932;1416111668;asciilifeform;plenty of degrees. but, i can't help but notice phase transitions in the space. 924933;1416111683;mircea_popescu;to restate : if you rent's due and you're short you should not be here chatting, you should be putting out that fire. 924934;1416111702;*;asciilifeform unaware of this being a thing for any of the people still here 924935;1416111710;mircea_popescu;well it's all i meant, rly. 924936;1416111723;mircea_popescu;im sure the various "give us 1 btc or else !!1" kids were in exactly this position. 924937;1416111737;mircea_popescu;;;seen sdffsd 924938;1416111738;gribble;sdffsd was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 6 hours, 19 minutes, and 32 seconds ago: Mircea, I can't access mpex.co, what's going on? 924939;1416111740;mircea_popescu;no further than today. 924940;1416111741;asciilifeform;i still can't fathom 1 being the magic number in there 924941;1416111747;decimation;like our little extortionist friend 924942;1416111747;asciilifeform;why not extort, say, 10? 100? 924943;1416111751;mircea_popescu;you don't understand how hope works. 924944;1416111802;mircea_popescu;and since you mentioned moiety, from what i understood that was exactly her position. 924945;1416111817;asciilifeform;starvation? 924946;1416111828;mircea_popescu;well she had to figure out rent 924947;1416111840;mircea_popescu;i tried to onlinehire her but for some reason she lacked the drive or w/e. 924948;1416111845;mircea_popescu;maybe internets just noit her thing 924949;1416111851;asciilifeform;for some reason i thought it actually happened 924950;1416111853;asciilifeform;but didn't suffice 924951;1416111862;*;asciilifeform wasn't there 924952;1416111905;*;asciilifeform vaguely recalls an apparatus involving telephony, where moiety was paid per minute, but few folks called 924953;1416111915;mircea_popescu;part of the problem is, the internet (and esp my stuff) is very self-directed 924954;1416111935;mircea_popescu;many people are used to micromanagement, under relentless pressure from a pointless class that wants to justify its existence 924955;1416111944;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform that's unrelated. 924956;1416111968;asciilifeform;ah hm ok. i don't think the other thing was public 924957;1416112003;mircea_popescu;even today i have plenty of handcrankled tasks for the aspiring slavegirl. never a shortage of that. what's of shortage is teh ppl to disciplinedly work, erry day, hour after hour. 924958;1416112012;decimation;After seeing work exploit and demolish the world, laziness seems like the mother of the virtues. (#2,053)<< http://don-colacho.blogspot.com/2010/10/2053.html 924959;1416112013;assbot;Don Colacho’s Aphorisms: #2,053 924960;1416112031;mircea_popescu;decimation sure, great. no complaints may then be entertained about needing stuff tho. 924961;1416112042;mircea_popescu;laziness is a virtue of the well provisioned. 924962;1416112043;asciilifeform;micromanagement << most folks around here used to it, but i always imagined they would profit from its removal 924963;1416112044;decimation;heh good retort 924964;1416112054;asciilifeform;sparrow in the park may be used to children throwing stones at it 924965;1416112060;asciilifeform;doesn't mean it needs the stones for anythig 924966;1416112064;asciilifeform;n 924967;1416112073;undata;decimation: having been convinced that the walls of my country are going to fall in, I've got all the motivation I need 924968;1416112092;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform tell you what : teenager is used to seeing girls in his class dressed, imagines he'd ben efit from the removal of the clothes. 924969;1416112098;undata;I think plenty more subconsciously know the same, and are hiding in distractions 924970;1416112102;mircea_popescu;should that actually happen, teenager would run and hide in a corner. 924971;1416112103;decimation;asciilifeform: for myself, I find working with an engage colleague to be much more motivating than a boss yelling 924972;1416112146;mircea_popescu;decimation the tora study model eh ? 924973;1416112168;mircea_popescu;im kinda curious what comes of the ben_vulpes - mod6 pairing in this vein. 924974;1416112194;asciilifeform;folks who have not boiled in the cauldron cannot fathom the kind of hells that exist. i once worked in a salt mine where scores of people dredged 'reddit', illicitly, all day. 924975;1416112204;asciilifeform;many years ago. 924976;1416112209;asciilifeform;(when it was almost readable) 924977;1416112215;mircea_popescu;sooo! degrees! 924978;1416112236;undata;asciilifeform: hey man, I shoveled actual cow shit as a summer gig long ago 924979;1416112238;undata;it's good for you 924980;1416112275;asciilifeform;undata: a fellow i work with spent his childhood (india) in cow shit detail. fuel for the local cremation pyre. 924981;1416112284;asciilifeform;had some interesting stories. 924982;1416112303;decimation;yeah, in the old west where trees were lacking, cow shit was firewood 924983;1416112306;undata;amazing how you lose sense of the smell 924984;1416112306;assbot;AMAZING COMPANY! 924985;1416112309;mircea_popescu;doesn't that make him whatever that caste is ? 924986;1416112321;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: oddly enough - brahmin, entirely unsullied by this 924987;1416112327;mircea_popescu;o.O 924988;1416112328;asciilifeform;somehow there was an exception for children doing chores 924989;1416112340;decimation;I think you are thinking of dalit 924990;1416112340;asciilifeform;so long as human turds not involved - ok. 924991;1416112347;cazalla;any takers for http://www.findbitcoinjobs.com/jobs/20347-risk-investigator-at-coinbase ? can double as a mole for qntra 924992;1416112348;assbot;Risk Investigator at Coinbase | Bitcoin Jobs 924993;1416112354;asciilifeform;human turds -> dalit 924994;1416112367;*;asciilifeform not expert on the mechanics whereby cow shit does not count as shit 924995;1416112379;undata;cows being holy or somesuch? 924996;1416112383;asciilifeform;well yes. 924997;1416112387;undata;I can firmly attest they are not 924998;1416112389;mircea_popescu;maybe it's because it tastes good. 924999;1416112392;mircea_popescu;indians are nuts. 925000;1416112406;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: in parts of near east, folks mix it into chewing tobacco. 925001;1416112409;asciilifeform;don't ask me why. 925002;1416112414;mircea_popescu;nuts. 925003;1416112426;mircea_popescu;cazalla im sure one'd have to sign whatever. 925004;1416112446;undata;asciilifeform: humans will imitate goddamn anything 925005;1416112455;asciilifeform;don't advertise for a 'stierlitz' in a public channel... 925006;1416112471;cazalla;mircea_popescu, this job actually coincides with the fraud i reported on weeks ago to which they never responded, i'm writing it up 925007;1416112478;asciilifeform;(folks will bite but not the ones you want) 925008;1416112513;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: teenager would run and hide in a corner << puzzling over this. why would this happen ? 925009;1416112558;mircea_popescu;why. because nothing is as scary as cunt, that's why. try it sometime. 925010;1416112566;*;asciilifeform often wonders if mircea_popescu is logged in from mars. or if asciilifeform is, himself. 925011;1416112569;mircea_popescu;why do you think you take the bitch to the dog, not vice-versa ? males are shy. 925012;1416112745;cazalla;you take the doe to the buck too! 925013;1416112752;cazalla;sometimes to doe mounts the buck 925014;1416112760;mircea_popescu;^ 925015;1416112762;cazalla;the even 925016;1416112789;asciilifeform;cazalla breeds radiation-damaged deer in butugychag ? 925017;1416112827;undata;that even sounds like a soviet labor camp 925018;1416112836;asciilifeform;it was. 925019;1416112839;cazalla;asciilifeform, i wish, just rabbits but i'm sure you know this 925020;1416112841;asciilifeform;but also a region. 925021;1416112842;asciilifeform;aha rabbits. 925022;1416112847;asciilifeform;damaged by what? 925023;1416112854;asciilifeform;or is this normal for the species 925024;1416112858;decimation;Frustration is the distinctive psychological characteristic of democratic society. Where all may legitimately aspire to the summit, the entire pyramid is an accumulation of frustrated individuals. http://don-colacho.blogspot.com/2010/05/1110.html 925025;1416112859;assbot;Don Colacho’s Aphorisms: #1,110 925026;1416112866;mircea_popescu;its normal for all mammal species yo. 925027;1416112895;undata;asciilifeform: mining uranium without gear, no less. brutal. 925028;1416112919;cazalla;asciilifeform, you DO know i raise rabbits right? *here comes cazalla and his rabbits talk again* 925029;1416112925;asciilifeform;aha yes i recall. 925030;1416112930;asciilifeform;good picture of heads 925031;1416112937;asciilifeform;(what do you usually do with those?) 925032;1416112948;cazalla;compost it all 925033;1416112970;*;decimation is dreaming of building a colacho-bot which attempts to provide the appropriate aphorism for the conversational mood 925034;1416112974;cazalla;i wanted to make snow camo but who has the time 925035;1416112989;asciilifeform;i think ilkka kokkarinen had a colachobot 925036;1416113134;decimation;lol he has a book http://www.amazon.com/The-Wingnut-Musings-Ilkka-Kokkarinen/dp/1468166816 925037;1416113135;assbot;The Wingnut Musings: Ilkka Kokkarinen: 9781468166811: Amazon.com: Books 925038;1416113142;asciilifeform;that book is all that's left of him. 925039;1416113144;decimation;it sounds pretty good 925040;1416113146;asciilifeform;i own it 925041;1416113155;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform: i know of no setup where it is possible to set up even a very decent 486 in such a way that it can be used for serious work today. <<< sarge ? 925042;1416113171;asciilifeform;he is/was a finnish emigre, working as a comp sci prof in canada. was hounded off the net by 'outraged mass' for moldbuggery. 925043;1416113174;asciilifeform;not once, but twice. 925044;1416113181;asciilifeform;first time, made to recant, threatened. 925045;1416113199;asciilifeform;then came back. then, disappeared again, taking all of his materials with him, this time - for good, apparently. 925046;1416113208;decimation;he should come on here 925047;1416113225;decimation;foesti has a review http://foseti.wordpress.com/2012/03/15/review-of-the-wingnut-musings-by-ilkka-kokkarinen/ 925048;1416113227;assbot;Review of “The Wingnut Musings” by Ilkka Kokkarinen | Foseti 925049;1416113260;asciilifeform;ilkka.kokkarinen at gmail 925050;1416113290;mircea_popescu;hanbot mail the man would you. 925051;1416113298;asciilifeform;tried to contact him 2 yrs. ago, he said 'shoo' 925052;1416113300;asciilifeform;or the like 925053;1416113325;asciilifeform;i have the dead tree book, it's a 'best of' his blog 925054;1416113328;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform: and that's more or less it. << notice that bitbet, mpex, trilema, qntra, logs etc all work on lynx. 925055;1416113334;asciilifeform;foseti and a few other guys have warez scans 925056;1416113336;asciilifeform;ask'em. 925057;1416113360;asciilifeform;he was a die-hard poker player and loved applying the metaphors to, well, relevant things. 925058;1416113375;asciilifeform;also a very decent mathematics handler. 925059;1416113401;asciilifeform;blog was called 'fourth checkraise' 925060;1416113441;mircea_popescu;decimation: asciilifeform: do you think gavin works 40 hours per week on the git repo? << do you suppose captive whore in thai illegal brothel works 40 hours per week ? 925061;1416113452;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: sarge << i don't consider non-source-based distro as suitable for serious work 925062;1416113454;mircea_popescu;what fucking difference does it make how many nominal hours teh slave works. 925063;1416113464;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: that was sorta my point in reply 925064;1416113464;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform sarge source was released no / 925065;1416113473;asciilifeform;source released != source-based distro 925066;1416113477;asciilifeform;msdos source also 'released' 925067;1416113483;asciilifeform;and win2k. 925068;1416113513;asciilifeform;'source based distro,' classically, is when nothing (other than bootstrap compiler & kernel, thomson says hello) gets on the box without being built there. 925069;1416113541;asciilifeform;normally this is at least minimally mechanized. 925070;1416113546;asciilifeform;because vita brevis. 925071;1416113590;asciilifeform;ilkka's book << notice he pulled the 'kindle' version also. 925072;1416113599;mircea_popescu;im pretty sure you could, and still can, do this with deb 3.1 925073;1416113603;asciilifeform;and the printed one was a 'print on demand', there was no actual reason to zap it 925074;1416113608;asciilifeform;except that he was frog-marched. 925075;1416113615;asciilifeform;this is what means 'not free man' 925076;1416113628;asciilifeform;he skipped red finland to end up in... this. 925077;1416113662;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform: if it were to implode, the shills will be placed into similar roles elsewhere <<< pretty miuch this. 925078;1416113669;mircea_popescu;which is why career anlysis is such a powerful tool, 925079;1416113683;asciilifeform;and attribution of works. 925080;1416113683;mircea_popescu;and which is why as BingoBoingo pointed out earlier, when touched there they react. (the tor people in that case) 925081;1416113687;mircea_popescu;it's the one place it hurts. 925082;1416113697;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform yup, but until being "invented" here that really never existed. 925083;1416113705;asciilifeform;and we watched herr dingledine give private performance for nsa. 925084;1416113707;asciilifeform;a year ago. 925085;1416113720;asciilifeform;ferglubssake we didn't invent pgp. 925086;1416113726;asciilifeform;but in practice - this. 925087;1416113730;mircea_popescu;"attribution", not pgp 925088;1416113748;asciilifeform;!s three-man system 925089;1416113748;assbot;1 results for 'three-man system' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=three-man+system 925090;1416113754;asciilifeform;invented by, afaik, herr korolev. 925091;1416113761;asciilifeform;attribution. 925092;1416113767;mircea_popescu;the idea that what you do wil come back to haunt you is very much mpoe[-pr], as far as the bitcoin, and generally the "entrepreneurial" spaces are concerned. 925093;1416113771;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-11-2014#922643 925094;1416113771;assbot;Logged on 15-11-2014 00:27:45; asciilifeform: there was a three-man system 925095;1416113781;mircea_popescu;swanson's "that's not how normal debates work" is just an echo of that. 925096;1416113810;asciilifeform;one day we produce a koraktor, wrapped in sc4mz0r pelt cover, 'the art and science of hunting shitgnome' 925097;1416113814;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform well that's why the quotes. obviously it's an ancient idea, and no invention whatsoever. 925098;1416113820;asciilifeform;or 'malleus scamificorum' alternatively. 925099;1416113838;mircea_popescu;but this doesn't change the fact that nobody did it, nor does it change the fact that i'm principally hated for that reason, my agents have been principally hated for that reason 925100;1416113847;mircea_popescu;and this chan is called a cult, or anything else bad!111 for that reason. 925101;1416113854;asciilifeform;devils - hate crucifix, yes 925102;1416113857;asciilifeform;how could they not. 925103;1416113869;asciilifeform;what does true hate even mean, if not this. 925104;1416113878;mircea_popescu;cause nothing is so fucking evil as you know, someone digging up on trilema, coming up with meni rosenfeld's name, now the scumwipe can't go around pretending like you know 925105;1416113889;mircea_popescu;"hje's been in bitcoin". "o, but doing what ?" "nevermind that!!!" 925106;1416113892;asciilifeform;surprising he'd use the name again. 925107;1416113904;asciilifeform;no one cancelled, even, 'google.' 925108;1416113908;mircea_popescu;most of them didn't realise this attribution doohickey even exists. 925109;1416113921;mircea_popescu;which is why, "invention". apparently it is. 925110;1416113961;mircea_popescu;to this day, and shockingly, i write about church ? ppl are "oh, you're jealous" 925111;1416113975;mircea_popescu;it doesn't even manage to pierce the dielectric between their ears that no, im jus saving it for later. 925112;1416113975;asciilifeform;l0l!! 925113;1416113984;mircea_popescu;somehow this is not a possible concept. 925114;1416113986;assbot;Last 2 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/2FGT98Y.txt ) 925115;1416113986;asciilifeform;!b 2 925116;1416114009;mircea_popescu;for a while i used to say it (back when i was dealing with romanians). it did... exactly zero difference. 925117;1416114027;cazalla;hate to say it but.. qntra? ddos? 925118;1416114046;mircea_popescu;and it's vastly pervasive. average us politician will not understand that his voting record is a matter of... record! 925119;1416114050;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: note also my observation last week, that i intensely suspect 'google usenet archive' was zapped not on account of any accident 925120;1416114056;asciilifeform;but precisely because attributability. 925121;1416114061;asciilifeform;and the devils who fear. 925122;1416114064;undata;cazalla: looks down here 925123;1416114088;joecool;it's been up and down for past day 925124;1416114125;asciilifeform;but anyone who thought that a 'library of alexandria' was safe in the hands of the likes of 'google' - was a fool from the start. 925125;1416114167;joecool;asciilifeform: what's up with google's archive? 925126;1416114179;asciilifeform;joecool: of 'usenet.' no longer searchable. 925127;1416114180;asciilifeform;try it. 925128;1416114190;asciilifeform;is it really possible that i'm the only one who noticed ? 925129;1416114334;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform http://trilema.com/2010/politica-adevarata/ << just consider that. 925130;1416114394;mircea_popescu;coburn actually has to TELL people, that attribution is a thing. 925131;1416114394;mircea_popescu;and they're like, you know, a buncha barbarians confronting microorganisms. 925132;1416114394;mircea_popescu;"if you don't wash your hands you get dysentery" "really ? .... hmm.... maybe, but i tihnk it's the will of god... i have my amulets with me..." 925133;1416114394;asciilifeform;lol! 925134;1416114406;mircea_popescu;cazalla as per usual.... i see it jus' fine. 925135;1416114459;undata;mircea_popescu: I can't pull up trilema here either 925136;1416114577;mircea_popescu;undata somehow im still getting spam comments tho 925137;1416114637;joecool;asciilifeform: seems to work for me? 925138;1416114644;asciilifeform;works 925139;1416114659;asciilifeform;or, hm, now - no 925140;1416114704;joecool;i just went to groups.google.com and ran a search and it popped up a few usenet newsgroups and some results mostly from usenet 925141;1416114712;asciilifeform;try something '90s 925142;1416114714;asciilifeform;but not '80s 925143;1416114726;asciilifeform;('early usenet archive' is separate gizmo there) 925144;1416114754;joecool;are you talking about the dejanews archive? 925145;1416114758;asciilifeform;aha. 925146;1416114887;asciilifeform;https://groups.google.com/forum/#!forumsearch/psmith9626 925147;1416114947;asciilifeform;^ example 925148;1416114947;asciilifeform;should be ~30,000 posts 925149;1416114947;asciilifeform;zero. 925150;1416114947;*;mircea_popescu wasn't there, doesn't care anymore about this primitive tribe than about any other primitive tribe that was swallowed b y history. 925151;1416114947;*;mircea_popescu thinks if it didn;'t suck it'd have left artefacts. 925152;1416114947;asciilifeform;it left artifacts. 925153;1416114947;asciilifeform;mainly on various people's disks. 925154;1416114947;mircea_popescu;tough. 925155;1416114955;mircea_popescu;civilisations are judged by what remains, not by what they once were. 925156;1416114960;asciilifeform;well yes. 925157;1416114972;asciilifeform;http://yarchive.net 925158;1416115032;asciilifeform;^ example of what remains. 925159;1416115032;asciilifeform;easily worth ten thousand of today's internets put together. 925160;1416115032;asciilifeform;and that's just one man's archive. 925161;1416115062;asciilifeform;going right back to 'attribution' point - these libraries - did not burn. 925162;1416115065;asciilifeform;they will come out. 925163;1416115097;asciilifeform;and the destroyers - will pay. one day. 925164;1416115126;decimation;re: gavin's 40 hr week << I was merely pointing out that if ascii's formula is (freedom hrs)/(work hrs), then gavin might have a good score 925165;1416115133;asciilifeform;his score is nil 925166;1416115136;asciilifeform;because he is never free. 925167;1416115142;*;asciilifeform thought he explained this 925168;1416115149;decimation;his 'free hours' are an illusion, agreed 925169;1416115154;asciilifeform;hence zip. 925170;1416115159;mircea_popescu; and the destroyers - will pay. one day. << aite! 925171;1416115164;mircea_popescu;i was mostly giving you a hard time :D 925172;1416115201;decimation;I note that our volunteer testers seem to have left whatever routing tables they were messing with alone 925173;1416115256;decimation;I wrote too soon, qntra and trilema are both down for me now right now 925174;1416115271;mircea_popescu;lmao this stuff... 925175;1416115320;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform: decimation: possibly even fewer. <<< he likes a short thing lol. 925176;1416115521;asciilifeform;re: ilkka: >> http://isteve.blogspot.com/2006/09/16-volts-silenced-by-his-university.html << the demise of his first site 925177;1416115581;asciilifeform;(discussion thereof) 925178;1416115581;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform: this is a standard usg 'lie detector.' << the funny thing is, i dunno if the scientologists copied the ohmmeter after the usg "lie detector", or vice-versa, the fbi is tring to find yout tethans 925179;1416115581;decimation;mircea_popescu: maybe if they are short polygraphers usg asks some local scientologists to sub in 925180;1416115581;asciilifeform;late 19th c. physiologists discovered skin conductance meter (as sanctified by 'scientology') 925181;1416115581;joecool;asciilifeform: heh yeah i ran some other searches I knew worked before (like linus's first linux announcement on comp.os.minix), it's gone 925182;1416115595;asciilifeform;the 'polygraph', as the name implies, combines several instruments (eeg, ekg, conductometer) 925183;1416115603;decimation;to be fair, there is some science in the sense that it detects parasympathetic activation 925184;1416115606;asciilifeform;that is the apparatus pictured in the photo 925185;1416115618;decimation;but the problem is this has nothing to do with truthsaying 925186;1416115629;asciilifeform;about the same thing that hot coals ordeal has to do with 'truth.' 925187;1416115629;mircea_popescu;joecool funny how that goes, right ? 925188;1416115648;decimation;as asciilifeform mentioned in the past the operative effect is to filter for 'cold' psychopaths 925189;1416115660;decimation;or at least very meek and compliant folks 925190;1416115665;asciilifeform;and in general for folks who don't give a flying fuck 925191;1416115671;mircea_popescu;;) 925192;1416115672;asciilifeform;or those with naturally 'immobile' vital signs 925193;1416115673;asciilifeform;etc. 925194;1416115689;joecool;mircea_popescu: i'm just surprised nobody else wrote about it, i doubt they get huge volume searching for things, but still, nothing mentioned about it 925195;1416115690;mircea_popescu;news at 11 : good pokerface is good pokerface. 925196;1416115697;asciilifeform;incidentally, you don't need the jailed quack to 'study lie detector' 925197;1416115705;mircea_popescu;joecool this is my broader point. a stupid language deserves its own stupidity. 925198;1416115709;asciilifeform;fiddybucks buys you all the components, in a manageable pocket size. 925199;1416115712;mircea_popescu;english is in this sense quite stupid. 925200;1416115718;asciilifeform;ask 'biofeedback' aficionados. 925201;1416115740;decimation;there is probably some amusement to be had in experimenting with such things 925202;1416115760;asciilifeform;decimation: there are folks who do it for a hobby. 925203;1416115787;asciilifeform;http://hardwick.fi/ilkka/16v0830.htm 925204;1416115847;asciilifeform;^ ancient backup of 'sixteen volts', kokkarinen's first site. 925205;1416115847;decimation;from the senior usg 'stendartendfurher's 925206;1416115847;asciilifeform;nm, borked 925207;1416115847;mircea_popescu;ddos ? 925208;1416115849;asciilifeform;nah, just incomplete 925209;1416115859;asciilifeform;there is a mostly full one. somewhere. 925210;1416115876;decimation;from the senior usg Standartenführer's point of view, the polygraph is an ideal device to filter the workforce into compliant sheep and stone cold thugs 925211;1416115898;mircea_popescu;The brilliant Finnish-Canadian computer science professor / blogger Ilkka Kokkarinen has taken down his popular blog, presumably to keep his job after his campus newspaper noticed his heterodox views. His skepticism about the intellectual consistency of lesbian-feminist theory and practice would appear to have been his biggest crime. 925212;1416115899;mircea_popescu;lmao 925213;1416115930;mircea_popescu;"After being alerted by The Ryersonian, computer science chair, Alireza Sadeghian said the department neither accepts nor condones Kokkarinen�s views." 925214;1416115931;decimation;right, we need to get him here 925215;1416115941;mircea_popescu;wait. how does a computing dept accept or not accept views in other fields ? 925216;1416115945;decimation;maybe he can port bitcoind to forth 925217;1416115966;mircea_popescu;like... does the geography department accept grammar ? 925218;1416115978;mircea_popescu;what sort of ignarous barbarity is this! 925219;1416115984;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: was taken to политотдел. 925220;1416116016;mircea_popescu;!up nacci 925221;1416116016;asciilifeform;loper-os.org/pub/ilkka.zip 925222;1416116028;asciilifeform;afaik the only copy on the net. 925223;1416116030;nacci;hey 925224;1416116032;asciilifeform;(presently) 925225;1416116052;asciilifeform;(note, this is 'sixteen volts,' his early site. not 'fourth checkraise') 925226;1416116102;mircea_popescu;Clearly, Professor Kokkarinen was naive to use his own name when he switched his blog from Finnish to English <<< mp considers just how great his power is. 925227;1416116111;mircea_popescu;i switched from romanian to english jus' fine. 925228;1416116120;mircea_popescu;ello nacci. who're you ? 925229;1416116151;nacci;just another bloke 925230;1416116178;decimation;mircea_popescu: to be fair, you didn't have a tenured position in a nato colony 925231;1416116193;mircea_popescu;but... wait. i make more than whatever tenured prof makes. 925232;1416116198;mircea_popescu;and i can read, just like him. 925233;1416116204;mircea_popescu;how is this comparison against me ? 925234;1416116204;decimation;heh yeah that's why he needs to be here 925235;1416116214;decimation;you see, he has 'loyalty' 925236;1416116217;decimation;I guess 925237;1416116223;mircea_popescu;and i dare think if he had a tenured position this would have been a non issue 925238;1416116235;decimation;well that's a good point, he probably didn't 925239;1416116235;mircea_popescu;since that's what tenure is. "o you don't like me ? fuck you and get lost." 925240;1416116237;asciilifeform;tenure doesn't actually exist in angloworld now. 925241;1416116246;asciilifeform;any more than property. 925242;1416116249;decimation;tenure exists if you are willing to push the multicult 925243;1416116261;asciilifeform;(it being a kind of property right, traditionally - fat surprise.) 925244;1416116274;nacci;nepotism trumps tenure 925245;1416116284;mircea_popescu;decimation for the record, as one coming from an actually multicultural world, i am both offended at the misuse of the term and would pray you don't discard an actually superior mode of human life 925246;1416116295;decimation;heh 925247;1416116297;mircea_popescu;just because some fucktarded barbarians in a colony think that cowboys in sheets = latins. 925248;1416116303;asciilifeform;'Physicist Steven Jones, who first pointed to the use of thermite in the destruction of the two towers had to agree to having his university buy out his tenure or his university was faced with losing all federal financing.' << example from herr orlov. ( http://cluborlov.blogspot.com/2014/09/911-after-13-years.html ) 925249;1416116363;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform i tell you, if i was the provost i wouldn't have made the offer. 925250;1416116363;mircea_popescu;let the fucking feds cut off financing. 925251;1416116363;mircea_popescu;this is like, russian orthodox church vs tsarate already. 925252;1416116365;asciilifeform;and recall how that went. 925253;1416116372;mircea_popescu;so what if it did ? 925254;1416116384;asciilifeform;obligatory: 925255;1416116388;asciilifeform;!s solzhenitsyn axe 925256;1416116389;assbot;4 results for 'solzhenitsyn axe' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=solzhenitsyn+axe 925257;1416116408;mircea_popescu;fuck that. the freedom you like is built on a certain kind of disinterest in effects. 925258;1416116435;asciilifeform;except everyone, i think, knows this 925259;1416116441;asciilifeform;swinging the axe - another matter altogether. 925260;1416116448;mircea_popescu;i guess. 925261;1416116463;mircea_popescu;i dun see it. 925262;1416116472;mircea_popescu;nothing easier in the world than "fuck you and get lost." 925263;1416116473;mircea_popescu;srsly. 925264;1416116490;asciilifeform;notable historical case study is treblinka uprising 925265;1416116497;asciilifeform;notable for being the only major one inside the barbed wire 925266;1416116506;asciilifeform;(unless counting warsaw ghetto) 925267;1416116515;mircea_popescu;or in the cinematic version, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9r-vu-l8mLE 925268;1416116576;asciilifeform;iirc, the magic ingredient - no women 925269;1416116576;mircea_popescu;funny how that goes huh ? 925270;1416116576;asciilifeform;aha. 925271;1416116576;mircea_popescu;so now... tell me. did it matter how fucking pretty the women were ? 925272;1416116580;asciilifeform;nein. only that they were already dead. 925273;1416116581;mircea_popescu;whether young or old ? slutty or annyoing ? big tits or small ? pert or loose ? 925274;1416116586;mircea_popescu;did not. exactly. 925275;1416116612;mircea_popescu;in some circumstances, listening to the women is a bad idea. 925276;1416116633;asciilifeform;the way historians seem to present it, it was less 'listening' and more 'no hostages' 925277;1416116648;asciilifeform;when 'they'll xxx my mother, sister, wife' - folks hesitate to swing axe 925278;1416116655;mircea_popescu;hostages ? someone has to first care 925279;1416116664;asciilifeform;when mother, sister, wife - buried - they swing axe with the grace of ballet dancer. 925280;1416116703;mircea_popescu;caring has its place. that place is not "everywhere all the time" 925281;1416116709;*;asciilifeform was not in treblinka, knows only what the contemporaries saw fit to write down 925282;1416116778;asciilifeform;the folks blessed with the talent of 'not care' on-demand - probably tended to not end up behind the wire in the first place. 925283;1416116800;mircea_popescu;myeah. 925284;1416116849;mircea_popescu;and the folk that muck a hand the moment it can't win don't tend to end up in the bottom half of the poker tourney either. 925285;1416116912;asciilifeform;see also http://cluborlov.blogspot.com/2008/09/survival-of-nicest.html (solely for the quote from seagrave's 'castaways') 925286;1416116972;asciilifeform;esp. last paragraph. 925287;1416116972;*;asciilifeform has the book, it is lovely 925288;1416116972;asciilifeform;recommends especially to BingoBoingo 925289;1416116991;asciilifeform;and other aspiring 'mad maxes' 925290;1416117042;asciilifeform;err, e. leslie 925291;1416117048;asciilifeform;(seagrave wrote only foreword) 925292;1416117443;ben_vulpes;mircea_popescu: bitcoind stop detatch? 925293;1416117450;ben_vulpes;i'm digging, but hints would be lovely 925294;1416117465;asciilifeform;www.mediafire.com/download/df86bg0f9lbxx2n/wingnut_musings.pdf 925295;1416117471;cazalla;http://qntra.net/2014/11/coinbase-seeking-a-risk-investigator/ 925296;1416117472;assbot;Coinbase Seeking A Risk Investigator | Qntra.net 925297;1416117476;asciilifeform;^ ilkka's book. mutilated but readable. 925298;1416117707;ben_vulpes;cloudflare now preventing me from getting at en.bitcoin.it 925299;1416117725;ben_vulpes;watch it come back without any reference to detachdb... 925300;1416117760;ben_vulpes;is there an en.bitcoin.it mirror anywhere? 925301;1416117942;RagnarDanneskjol;http://dump.bitcoin.it/ 925302;1416117944;assbot;Index of / 925303;1416117999;ben_vulpes;(just paranoia i suppose) 925304;1416118249;mircea_popescu;cazalla BingoBoingo others : ok, i *think* the bad routing thing may be fixed. 925305;1416118259;mircea_popescu;pls to let me know furiously if more further problems later on. 925306;1416118259;cazalla;mircea_popescu, working again here 925307;1416118367;ben_vulpes;http://94i30.net/wp-content/bitcoin-p2sh/bitcoin-detachdb.php << for lulz 925308;1416118371;assbot;Bitcoin Detachdb | Bitcoin P2sh 925309;1416118520;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes : "Explanation of -detachdb (and the new �stop true� RPC command): The Berkeley DB database library stores data in both �.dat� and �log� files, so the database is always in a consistent state, even in case of power failure or other sudden shutdown. The format of the �.dat� files is portable between different versions of Berkeley DB, but the �log� files are not� even minor version differ 925310;1416118520;mircea_popescu;ences may have incompatible �log� files. The -detachdb option moves any pending changes from the �log� files to the �blkindex.dat� file for maximum compatibility, but makes shutdown much slower. Note that the �wallet.dat� file is always detached, and versions prior to 0.6.0 detached all databases at shutdown." 925311;1416118528;mircea_popescu;turns out this is a moot consideration in your case. 925312;1416118580;ben_vulpes;yeeeeeah. 925313;1416118588;ben_vulpes;'s what i suspected at least. 925314;1416118605;asciilifeform;http://www.loper-os.org/pub/ilkka.txt << herr kokkarinen's 'musings', deturdified. 925315;1416118617;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform ty for that. 925316;1416118622;ben_vulpes;lovely asciilifeform 925317;1416118641;asciilifeform;this is the book, which was a 'best of' (in his view) of his last site, 'fourth checkraise.' 925318;1416118649;ben_vulpes;mircea_popescu: ever considered releasing asylum as a pay-per-dl? 925319;1416118668;mircea_popescu;to compete with the current, "free" ? 925320;1416118684;asciilifeform;l0l 925321;1416118686;mircea_popescu;http://trilema.com/i-wrote-a-book/ << click 1st link. 925322;1416118686;assbot;I wrote a book… pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. 925323;1416118690;ben_vulpes;trilema credits are free nao? 925324;1416118693;asciilifeform;i think they want the cover & the turkish bubblegum smell. 925325;1416118704;*;ben_vulpes shrugs 925326;1416118712;mircea_popescu;"free" yo. not free. 925327;1416118724;ben_vulpes;if the author endorsed approach is to copy the damn thing off his website... 925328;1416118746;mircea_popescu;anyway, your pay-per-dl comes to like 2k satoshi if you do it in one go, or else free if you take what was it, 5 weeks. 925329;1416118764;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes what are you trying to accomplish ? 925330;1416118812;RagnarDanneskjol;its actually being circulated among some hollyweird people at present fyi 925331;1416118814;ben_vulpes;i'm actually thinking about bitcoin databases so nothing w/r/t asylum 925332;1416118836;ben_vulpes;honestly i'd just rather have it on my kindle than flip through whatever's in the mail 925333;1416118864;mircea_popescu;meh, i dun wanna support x or y's closed platform. 925334;1416118908;ben_vulpes;"versions prior to 0.6.0 detached all databases at shutdown." << explains hilariously slow shutdowns 925335;1416118938;asciilifeform;how often does a sane person shut down 'bitcoind' anyway? 925336;1416118946;asciilifeform;next, what, want fast reactor shutdowns? 925337;1416118948;mircea_popescu;"shut down" 925338;1416118954;mircea_popescu;didn't you shut yours down a number of times ? 925339;1416118965;asciilifeform;for debuggery - aye 925340;1416118975;mircea_popescu;/alias shutdown kill -9 925341;1416119009;asciilifeform;incidentally this is why a correctly-implemented blockchain db is isomorphic to a 'journalling' file system. 925342;1416119024;mircea_popescu;im not sure why bdb is trying to be both 925343;1416119026;asciilifeform;so that 'kill -9'-style death is always the correct behaviour. 925344;1416119040;asciilifeform;and in no case can result in inconsistent state 925345;1416119071;ben_vulpes;in any event i've gotten the thing to 240000 925346;1416119078;ben_vulpes;i'll be quite amused if i fail to wedge it 925347;1416119085;asciilifeform;what's it running on? 925348;1416119097;ben_vulpes;mod6 is perusing the tens of thousands of lines of excised code 925349;1416119111;ben_vulpes;debian on some virtualization layer 925350;1416119113;asciilifeform;ah, wai, wat 925351;1416119118;asciilifeform;excised what? 925352;1416119123;asciilifeform;tens thousands lines? 925353;1416119128;ben_vulpes;i exaggerate 925354;1416119130;ben_vulpes;:P 925355;1416119218;mircea_popescu;"The only thing women clearly do better without men is raise the next generation of criminals." 925356;1416119222;mircea_popescu;bwahhha ok not bad. 925357;1416119254;asciilifeform;herr kokkarinen made a point never to write an essay more than 1 paragraph or so in length. 925358;1416119259;asciilifeform;whole thing can be 'eaten' in an evening. 925359;1416119307;*;mircea_popescu is apparently of the opposing school. 925360;1416119322;mircea_popescu;i remember the times i could say an article in five pages 925361;1416119323;mircea_popescu;vaguely. 925362;1416119324;asciilifeform;why ilkka did this - i do not know. some necromancer here can perhaps resurrect him and ask. 925363;1416119386;mircea_popescu;if you take the 94 million kulaks, capitalists, dissidents and other groups of people that socialists murdered in the twentieth century, and punch the numbers into a calculator, the average number of victims per hour equals almost exactly the one-hour kill count of Anders Breivik. Just imagine how absurd it would be if, instead of being captured and neutralized, Anders were simply allowed to keep killing people day and 925364;1416119386;mircea_popescu;night until the twenty-second century dawns. And yet such an absurdity practically defined the twentieth century. 925365;1416119391;mircea_popescu;"socialism doesn't kill people" :D 925366;1416120467;mats_cd03;!t m s.mpoe 925367;1416120467;assbot;[MPEX:S.MPOE] 1D: 0.00042212 / 0.00043058 / 0.00044033 (585026 shares, 251.91 BTC), 7D: 0.00036402 / 0.0005235 / 0.00065245 (7865451 shares, 4,117.57 BTC), 30D: 0.00036402 / 0.00066873 / 0.00081111 (23548921 shares, 15,748.02 BTC) 925368;1416120588;BingoBoingo;http://qntra.net/2014/11/this-onion-it-smells-inherent-hazards-of-the-tor-network/ 925369;1416120589;assbot;This Onion, It Smells: Inherent Hazards of the Tor Network | Qntra.net 925370;1416120661;ben_vulpes;have 0.5.3 blockchains at 240001; interested researchers may request links. 925371;1416120735;ben_vulpes;next checkpoint 245000 925372;1416122281;BingoBoingo;http://slashdot.org/firehose.pl?op=view&type=submission&id=3986911 925373;1416122282;assbot;Tor: This Onion Smells - Slashdot 925374;1416122604;*;fluffypony stretches 925375;1416122629;BingoBoingo;How's Rhodesia? 925376;1416122638;fluffypony;still in the USA 925377;1416122668;fluffypony;flying to LA tomorrow, sleep over one night, then back to SA on Monday via Dubai 925378;1416122690;BingoBoingo;Ah, cool. 925379;1416122751;fluffypony;Vegas was fun, saw the Blue Man Group for the first time and they were awesome 925380;1416122784;fluffypony;also the production quality on La Rêve was insane 925381;1416122787;BingoBoingo;Vegas, where entertainers never really die... until they... actually die 925382;1416122803;fluffypony;lol yeah 925383;1416122895;BingoBoingo;Well, their choices are what? Vegas or Branson? 925384;1416123011;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AMHASH2] 2083 @ 0.0012 = 2.4996 BTC 925385;1416125694;BingoBoingo;https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=reptillians+on+earth << lulz 925386;1416125695;assbot;reptillians on earth - YouTube 925387;1416127344;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes so it passed wedgespot ? 925388;1416129449;BingoBoingo;!up twentydollarbill 925389;1416131801;punkman;http://techcrunch.com/2014/11/15/as-developers-depart-google-glass-is-ready-to-become-this-eras-segway/ 925390;1416131802;assbot;As Developers Depart, Google Glass Is Ready To Become This Era’s Segway | TechCrunch 925391;1416131885;punkman;https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B2gKqwmCcAAkIsc.jpg 925392;1416131963;punkman;https://twitter.com/Ghetto_CNN/status/532972951407439874 925393;1416131966;assbot;THESE JEHOVAH WITNESSES ARE NEXT LEVEL SAVAGES http://t.co/hGmKj5jL3m 925394;1416132391;*;cazalla was raised a joho 925395;1416132420;cazalla;you think bitcoin makes you an outsider, you have nfi 925396;1416132470;cazalla;anyway, that is not joho propaganda punkman 925397;1416132584;punkman;what'd you expect from CNN 925398;1416132650;punkman;cazalla: did you ever do the door-to-door thing? 925399;1416132694;cazalla;punkman, yeah countless times plus fkn wednesday night book study, sunday talks and worse, assemblies 925400;1416132714;punkman;pretty rare around here, but I've seen the odd flyer 925401;1416132772;cazalla;rare here as well, when i was around, my parents each lost a brother within 6 months so that opened the door for the jws to get their hooks in with the paradise earth bullshit 925402;1416132781;cazalla;araound 5 i mean 925403;1416132821;cazalla;you know what kicked off us leaving? doom and rise of the triad 925404;1416132888;cazalla;once i hit my teens and refused to go and was willing to take a beating if it meant i could play doom, domino effect kicked in and family stopped going 925405;1416134631;punkman;http://reason.com/blog/2014/11/14/bernard-von-nothaus-of-liberty-dollar-ha 925406;1416134634;assbot;Bernard von NotHaus of Liberty Dollar Has His Motion for Post-Conviction Relief Denied, Will Face Sentencing - Hit & Run : Reason.com 925407;1416134937;cazalla;!up bitbethelp 925408;1416134971;bitbethelp;this bet was resolved incorrectly, 1 sec 925409;1416134998;bitbethelp;http://blasze.tk/A1KGCV 925410;1416134999;assbot;BitBet - Republicans win majority of the U.S. Senate :: 1.3 B (58%) on Yes, 0.93 B (42%) on No | closed 1 week 6 days ago 925411;1416135284;bitbethelp;just so you know, dd4btc is a tard 925412;1416135461;bitbethelp;http://blasze.tk/U12CYI 925413;1416135463;assbot;Open Port Check Tool - Test Port Forwarding on Your Router 925414;1416135502;bitbethelp;interesting way assbot is using to cloak its ip 925415;1416135752;BingoBoingo;!down bitbethelp 925416;1416135821;BingoBoingo;;;isup thedrinkingrecord.com 925417;1416135824;gribble;thedrinkingrecord.com is down 925418;1416135877;BingoBoingo;Oh well. It was a good run. 925419;1416136036;thestringpuller;what happened? 925420;1416136042;thestringpuller;are they ddosing the drinking record? 925421;1416136054;BingoBoingo;Sure, but no big 925422;1416136076;thestringpuller;you haven't gone to bed yet? 925423;1416136076;BingoBoingo;Uptime is what it is 925424;1416136087;thestringpuller;dat uptime 925425;1416136091;BingoBoingo;I'm up learly today 925426;1416136101;BingoBoingo;!up bitbethelp 925427;1416136134;bitbethelp;fivezerotwo here fyi 925428;1416136171;BingoBoingo;Ah 925429;1416136188;cazalla;bitbethelp, you misrepresented yourself to me 925430;1416136228;bitbethelp;cazalla, correct! this is what /b/tards would call "social engineering" 925431;1416136240;bitbethelp;herpderp 925432;1416136251;cazalla;to what end? you didn't gain anything 925433;1416136251;thestringpuller;http://i.imgur.com/2oMV0Nv.jpg << hey look thermos is well being thermos 925434;1416136281;punkman;bitbethelp: are you also the guy that claimed to have a bitbet hack a while back? 925435;1416136298;bitbethelp;cazalla, nor did I lose anything. it's not about the attempts where you don't get anything, but the attempts you succeed. 925436;1416136305;bitbethelp;punkman: no 925437;1416136333;cazalla;bitbethelp, well, you're 0 for what must be 1000+ attempts to get paid at this point 925438;1416136372;bitbethelp;cazalla, lol 925439;1416136397;thestringpuller;the only way to get paid in this channel is to do work :P 925440;1416136420;bitbethelp;say one line and you can mislead people on your intent 925441;1416136457;bitbethelp;here's a tip: people who want to get paid send along an address, like that dd4bc tard 925442;1416136533;punkman;guess the lulz are payment enough 925443;1416136589;cazalla;beggars can't be choosers 925444;1416136640;punkman;https://twitter.com/replicakill/status/520819622560276480/photo/1 925445;1416136642;assbot;The four F's. http://t.co/eLktxGSBQk 925446;1416136693;bitbethelp;;;isup qntra.net 925447;1416136694;gribble;qntra.net is up 925448;1416136718;bitbethelp;nope, it isn't 925449;1416136845;bitbethelp;so, cazalla, what's your plan on running qntra when it's going to be down 7x24 if it gets any sort of traction? 925450;1416136856;cazalla;bitbethelp, having a beer, cunt! 925451;1416136872;bitbethelp;when operating a website you need to consider advanced persistent threats, such as yours truly 925452;1416136872;cazalla;bitbethelp, you give me the excuse i need to drink so have at it 925453;1416136882;bitbethelp;lel 925454;1416136884;BingoBoingo;Qntra really doesn't look down at all from here 925455;1416136892;cazalla;you're not a threat, you're are like the buzzing of flies 925456;1416136943;bitbethelp;BingoBoingo, you're the very minority http://check-host.net/check-report/4f3ffc 925457;1416137003;cazalla;you best find other targets bitbethelp 925458;1416137003;punkman;mpex is a much better target 925459;1416137003;bitbethelp;punkman, why so, it's used by 10 people tops 925460;1416137003;cazalla;why would anyone pay you to stop then bitbethelp ? 925461;1416137021;bitbethelp;cazalla, why do you still have this assumption i'm trying to extort you into paying me? 925462;1416137042;cazalla;than why are you doing this? 925463;1416137048;cazalla;then even 925464;1416137058;cazalla;see what you made me do bitbethelp, you made me drink all this beer 925465;1416137067;bitbethelp;maybe you could pay me to find out, lel 925466;1416137089;cazalla;do you take paypal? 925467;1416137128;bitbethelp;sec 925468;1416137139;mircea_popescu;* cazalla was raised a joho << o.O 925469;1416137158;cazalla;mircea_popescu, didn't mean i had to believe it 925470;1416137253;mircea_popescu;i never met one b4. 925471;1416137274;mircea_popescu;bitbethelp> cazalla, nor did I lose anything. it's not about the attempts where you don't get anything, but the attempts you succeed. << what is this fucktardry, srsly. 925472;1416137351;bitbethelp;every successful attack takes lots of attempts, some fruitless 925473;1416137411;*;mircea_popescu shrugs. 925474;1416137450;mircea_popescu;punkbot lol mating. apparently, every successful writing takes lots of attempts, some of which are... muitless. 925475;1416137962;assbot;manamex +v failed; L1: 0, L2: 0 925476;1416138025;BingoBoingo;!up manamex 925477;1416138057;manamex;BingoBoingo thanks 925478;1416138067;BingoBoingo;Sup? 925479;1416138405;Anduck;!up bitbethelp 925480;1416139220;manamex;new here, reading logs 925481;1416139432;BingoBoingo;Cool 925482;1416140026;jurov;;;isup trilema.com 925483;1416140027;gribble;trilema.com is up 925484;1416140085;jurov;not from here 925485;1416141604;punkman;http://www.nytimes.com/2014/11/16/us/more-federal-agencies-are-using-undercover-operations.html 925486;1416141692;mircea_popescu;i always wondered what % of "operations" end when group #1 doing "undercover work" catches group #2. 925487;1416141714;punkman;indeed 925488;1416142055;BingoBoingo;I have to assume that's most of what they do now. 925489;1416142175;mircea_popescu;must suck lol 925490;1416142347;jurov;bitbethelp accused me of inadequate politeness cuz i did not respond timely to pm and in one breath promised coinbr is next after qntra 925491;1416142362;jurov;lol 925492;1416147500;punkman;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KdrCsB23GoU 925493;1416147650;BingoBoingo;!up sdffsd 925494;1416147867;BingoBoingo;!up Xuthus 925495;1416149899;decimation;those 'blasze.tk' links he put in the logs are ip loggers, probably trying to find more targets 925496;1416150460;mats_cd03;lol yes 925497;1416150910;mats_cd03;i wonder if kako has a proxy for assbot 925498;1416151157;jurov;;;isup coinbr.com 925499;1416151158;gribble;coinbr.com is up 925500;1416153107;kakobrekla;mats_cd03 i do. 925501;1416153133;BingoBoingo;assbot has asses of proxy 925502;1416153233;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 900 @ 0.00120197 = 1.0818 BTC [+] {6} 925503;1416155584;jurov;bitbethelp promised to drain my aws budget.. cleaarly these ddosing redditards did not do the math 925504;1416155891;kakobrekla;cant trust a redditard 925505;1416156940;assbot;manamex +v failed; L1: 0, L2: 0 925506;1416157158;BingoBoingo;!up manamex 925507;1416157368;manamex;got worned by bitbethelp everyone on this channel gets dosed 925508;1416157440;BingoBoingo;Eh 925509;1416157488;manamex;let's be it, why would anyone would want to do it, what is the point? 925510;1416157657;chetty;to act tough 925511;1416157707;manamex;never mind, not that it matters 925512;1416157868;BingoBoingo;Eh, kind of just like weather anymore. 925513;1416158767;asciilifeform;undercover agents << 'the man who was thursday.' 925514;1416158785;asciilifeform;or even 'a scanner darkly.' 925515;1416158838;ben_vulpes;;;later tell mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=30-10-2014#903730 << ascii reported wedge at 252450 925516;1416158838;assbot;Logged on 30-10-2014 17:09:54; asciilifeform: in other news, turd firmly wedged at block height 252450. 925517;1416158839;gribble;The operation succeeded. 925518;1416158863;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: got a wedge? 925519;1416158872;ben_vulpes;not yet. 925520;1416158878;asciilifeform;how far in? 925521;1416158900;ben_vulpes;backing up 245000 right now 925522;1416158963;ben_vulpes;if as you suspect it has to do with the cooccurrence of running out of memory and writing to bdb, i'll have to let it run for a while 925523;1416158974;asciilifeform;irreproducible bug is best bug. 925524;1416159024;ben_vulpes;what machine did you run yours on? 925525;1416159099;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: recent 'intel' box with 8g 925526;1416159134;asciilifeform;(gentoo) 925527;1416159584;xanthyos;3 days after buying coinbase bitcoins the progress bar is at the halfway mark 925528;1416159628;xanthyos;they deliberately slow themselves down to handicap daytraders 925529;1416161079;ben_vulpes;;;later tell ragnardanneskjol http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=22-10-2014#888421 925530;1416161079;assbot;Logged on 22-10-2014 18:38:56; mircea_popescu: except it should be explicitly exclusive rather than inclusive. "We will NOT work with unqualified third parties, which is to say parties that have not satisfied their log reading and wot presence prequalifications." 925531;1416161079;gribble;The operation succeeded. 925532;1416161651;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 1000 @ 0.00120366 = 1.2037 BTC [+] {9} 925533;1416162631;kakobrekla;asciilifeform do you find arm less evil for being risc? 925534;1416162690;asciilifeform;kakobrekla: my dislike of 'arm' has very little to do with the architecture. 925535;1416162775;asciilifeform;kakobrekla: but if you're thinking about the ancient 'risc vs cisc' debate, it isn't really any kind of contest today, as there is no architecture of past 20 yrs. or so design that could really be classified as a 'cisc' 925536;1416162852;kakobrekla;what, does 'cisc' sticker on the box make it sell faster? 925537;1416162919;asciilifeform;kakobrekla: name a 'cisc' (that is, 'complete', or, in more practical terms, optimized for hand-written asm that is a minimum of pain to write -and- read) chip designed in recent years. 925538;1416162936;asciilifeform;(why? see http://www.loper-os.org/?p=55 etc) 925539;1416162938;assbot;Loper OS » You have made your bedrock, now lie in it. 925540;1416162943;asciilifeform;no such animal. 925541;1416162954;kakobrekla;i did say sticker only. 925542;1416162961;asciilifeform;sticker? 925543;1416162969;asciilifeform;i must be missing something 925544;1416162995;kakobrekla;branding? 925545;1416163023;asciilifeform;kakobrekla is posting through time warp from 1985? i don't recall seeing 'risc' or 'cisc' mentioned on a crate, since, i don't know when 925546;1416163042;kakobrekla;isnt x86 branded as cisc ? 925547;1416163054;jurov;it was,2y ago 925548;1416163057;jurov;20y ago 925549;1416163077;kakobrekla;idk 925550;1416163078;jurov;since pentium it is cisc with risc internals 925551;1416163079;asciilifeform;x86 is a cisc (interestingly, the internals of modern x86 compatibles are pure risc, with emulation layer for the ancient crud baked on) 925552;1416163085;asciilifeform;aha, jurov has it. 925553;1416163109;kakobrekla;aha 925554;1416163111;kakobrekla;ok 925555;1416163114;kakobrekla;bastards. 925556;1416163144;jurov;lol 925557;1416163186;asciilifeform;move to 'risc' was driven mainly by desire for auto-optimization (pipelining, out-of-order instruction sequencing) in the pursuit of 'fast' (see http://www.loper-os.org/?p=300 ) 925558;1416163188;assbot;Loper OS » Going Nowhere Really Fast, or How Computers Only Come in Two Speeds. 925559;1416163227;asciilifeform;the only living representative of the cisc school of thought is the x86, which survives purely from symbiosis with microshit 925560;1416163249;asciilifeform;it also happens to be the worst known such architecture by virtually any conceivable measure. 925561;1416163333;jurov;i heard it has denser code(closer to c) and thus better cache effectivity 925562;1416163334;asciilifeform;for folks who are mystified by this thread, a 'risc' (reduced instruction set) cpu is typically one where 'instruction set fits in the back cover of your textbook.' 925563;1416163354;asciilifeform;if you did computer-anything engineering in school, you probably remember 'mips' 925564;1416163368;jurov;yes 925565;1416163427;asciilifeform;one of the things i often, usually to no avail, try to explain to people, is that there is no such thing as 'efficiency.' there is only efficiency -at- something. 925566;1416163517;jurov;probably efficiency measured in lines of c executed 925567;1416163526;asciilifeform;so, as described in my 'going nowhere' article, the modern winblows pc is in fact less efficient for virtually any practical purpose than its predecessors two decades earlier, despite a titanic amount of effort poured into the cpu micro-optimizations 925568;1416163604;asciilifeform;there is a kind of 'bezzle' or, more precisely, 'dekulakization' dynamic involved, where cpu designers are really labouring to extend the life of idiot software ecosystem 925569;1416163613;asciilifeform;whose continued bloat is considered an immutable fact of life 925570;1416163641;asciilifeform;the dog eats and eats so the fleas can live. 925571;1416163743;jurov;i once read a piece on what everything is expected of today's text input field - clipboard handling, mouse selection, bidi input, undo/redo, font redering,... 925572;1416163758;asciilifeform;aha. rob pike. 925573;1416163764;jurov;if these requirememnts can be solved without heaping code 925574;1416163770;jurov;? 925575;1416163775;jurov;i dunno 925576;1416163820;asciilifeform;well, if you are thinking of the ones you just stated, as opposed to everything listed in pike's talk, 925577;1416163843;asciilifeform;they were handily met by, e.g., symbolics lisp machine. mine has 4M of ram installed, which was considered large. 925578;1416163866;jurov;it has bidirectional input? 925579;1416163879;asciilifeform;bidirectional as in, e.g., arabic? 925580;1416163884;jurov;adn subpixel hiting? 925581;1416163886;asciilifeform;not afaik 925582;1416163890;jurov;yes arabic 925583;1416163915;jurov;*subpixel hiting 925584;1416163922;jurov;derrrrp hinting 925585;1416163934;asciilifeform;i cannot say for certain what these things would 'weigh' on such a machine, but can definitely bet that they would weigh considerably less (in terms of code complexity or sheer physical space) than on modern arch. 925586;1416163976;asciilifeform;on account of there being precisely one routine, used by everything on the box, which is responsible for character rendering; another for the input handling; etc 925587;1416163990;asciilifeform;sorta how a unix box with dynamic libs wishes it worked 925588;1416164038;asciilifeform;http://www.cs.bell-labs.com/cm/cs/who/rob/utah2000.ps 925589;1416164050;asciilifeform;^ rob pike's talk, for those who never read 925590;1416164164;jurov;that hangs on presumption that list somehow magically prevents parallel standards/reimplementations 925591;1416164189;jurov;*lisp 925592;1416164196;asciilifeform;it wasn't the lisp actually 925593;1416164218;jurov;so that no X11-like explosion of toolkits would occur 925594;1416164233;asciilifeform;(for some odd reason, folks ignore the fact that 'symbolics' os happily ran fortran, pascal, ada, and yes, even c - code - on same box, and the proggys could share data structures) 925595;1416164265;asciilifeform;native os was implemented in 'zetalisp', a symbolics-proprietary predecessor of modern common lisp, yes. 925596;1416164273;jurov;okay i did not mean lisp as such, but the architecture as a whole 925597;1416164294;asciilifeform;jurov: it is always possible to crap in the kitchen. but folks who own a toilet, typically do not. 925598;1416164306;asciilifeform;once you remove the overwhelming incentive to do stupid things, you generally see less of them. 925599;1416164350;jurov;um. i'm not convinced that ever worked 925600;1416164356;asciilifeform;but even a gift of a solid gold toilet is no guarantee that the recipient of said gift won't prefer the kitchen sink. 925601;1416164536;*;asciilifeform was going to link jurov to kalman reti's film about smbx machine, but noticed that it was recently censored. 925602;1416164540;*;asciilifeform searches for backup 925603;1416164561;jurov;i have seen it when you linked it recently 925604;1416164565;asciilifeform;aha. 925605;1416164574;asciilifeform;it is by no means a complete picture, but gives the general idea. 925606;1416164589;asciilifeform;(who censored it, and why? i'd love to know) 925607;1416164642;mircea_popescu;uh ? what's missing ? 925608;1416164663;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: the film linked in an old post of mine: http://www.loper-os.org/?p=932 925609;1416164664;assbot;Loper OS » Kalman Reti, the Last Symbolics Developer, Speaks of Lisp Machines. 925610;1416164920;asciilifeform;http://people.csail.mit.edu/reti/SymbolicsTalk28June2012.m4v 925611;1416164926;asciilifeform;^ mirror 925612;1416165277;mircea_popescu;!up bobsiha 925613;1416169047;mircea_popescu;http://trilema.com/2014/actual-bitcoin-corporations-abcs-versus-fiat-based-frauds-trying-to-masquerade-as-bitcoin-companies-while-masquerading-as-companies-in-the-first-place-on-the-solid-theory-that-the-general-public-i/ 925614;1416169047;assbot;Actual Bitcoin corporations (ABCs) versus fiat-based frauds trying to masquerade as Bitcoin companies (while masquerading as companies in the first place) on the solid theory that the general public is too stupid to make any difference, this one included, and on the flimsy theory that the general public matters in Bitcoin (FBF-TTMABC-WMACITFP-OTSTTTGPITSTMAD-TOI-AOTFTTTGPMIBs, alphabets for short). pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. 925615;1416169053;mircea_popescu;^ titles are not enough for me! 925616;1416171260;xanthyos;!up thomas_d 925617;1416171471;Apocalyptic;http://www.scottaaronson.com/blog/?p=2059 925618;1416171472;assbot;Shtetl-Optimized » Blog Archive » What does the NSA think of academic cryptographers? Recently-declassified document provides clues 925619;1416171552;thomas_d;;;eregister thomas_d BBE4FD4CC1083523 925620;1416171556;gribble;Error: Could not retrieve your key from keyserver. Either it isn't there, or it is invalid. 925621;1416171708;asciilifeform;Apocalyptic: the paper in question is not only of 20 yrs. vintage, but officially released (not in any sense leaked) 925622;1416171711;mircea_popescu;lol not bad. 925623;1416171715;asciilifeform;Apocalyptic: hence, i'd take with 'grain of salt' 925624;1416171736;Apocalyptic;asciilifeform, noted 925625;1416171930;asciilifeform;'Desmedt referred to a letter written by Marty Hellman criticizing NIST. I had all but forgotten about Hellman; he has not been active on cryptologic scene in many years, and I've always had doubts about his moral principles (by contrast, I regard Rivest as being above all this dirt).' 925626;1416171932;asciilifeform;l0l! 925627;1416172027;chetty;Hellman caught them with their pants down didn't he? 925628;1416172049;thomas_d;;;eregister thomas_d BBE4FD4CC1083523 925629;1416172050;gribble;Error: Could not retrieve your key from keyserver. Either it isn't there, or it is invalid. 925630;1416172076;thomas_d;Do you usually need to wait a little while after exporting cert to server? 925631;1416172084;thomas_d;I just did it about 30 seconds ago 925632;1416172101;thomas_d;;;eregister thomas_d BBE4FD4CC1083523 925633;1416172102;gribble;Error: Could not retrieve your key from keyserver. Either it isn't there, or it is invalid. 925634;1416172125;xanthyos;thomas_d: do it in PM so it doesn't congest the chat 925635;1416172166;xanthyos;bagels7 had the same error i think 925636;1416172182;mircea_popescu;thomas_d bout an hour or so 925637;1416172200;thomas_d;cool 925638;1416172213;thomas_d;I should introduce myself anyway my name is thomas dick I'm a noob 925639;1416172231;Apocalyptic; Do you usually need to wait a little while after exporting cert to server? // yes you do 925640;1416172232;mircea_popescu;your name seriously is dick ? 925641;1416172242;asciilifeform;chetty: i've found the letter in question: http://catless.ncl.ac.uk/Risks/12.63.html#subj1 925642;1416172242;assbot;The Risks Digest Volume 12: Issue 63 925643;1416172244;Apocalyptic;give it 1-2 hours 925644;1416172245;thomas_d;dick is my middle name 925645;1416172247;xanthyos;heh 925646;1416172252;thomas_d;but I go by thomas dick 925647;1416172264;mircea_popescu;lol 925648;1416172361;thomas_d;are there any regulations/guidelines on the chatting here, or anything goes? 925649;1416172368;kakobrekla;so what do you do thomas? 925650;1416172374;thomas_d;can't see anything in the topic 925651;1416172377;thomas_d;I'm in an entry-level IT position 925652;1416172398;mircea_popescu;well the general idea is to spend a while reading the logs 925653;1416172409;asciilifeform;thomas_d: programmer ? 925654;1416172411;mircea_popescu;then this and such questions tend to answer themselves. 925655;1416172426;thomas_d;nah service desk 925656;1416172430;thomas_d;networks 925657;1416172451;mircea_popescu;"Don Beaver (Penn State), in another era, would have been a spellbinding charismatic preacher; young, dashing (he still wears a pony-tail), self-confident and glib, he has captured from Silvio Micali the leadership of the philosophic wing of the U.S. East Coast cryptanalytic community." 925658;1416172499;mircea_popescu;here's a q for you asciilifeform : if i were the big bad and you were my officer in charge of fucking nerdcore up, and the strategy was, "inject a person whom on the basis of sheer animal magnetism can be used to steer things ways", 925659;1416172504;mircea_popescu;would you hire a man or a woman for this task ? 925660;1416172516;asciilifeform;depends on the designated chumps, no? 925661;1416172525;mircea_popescu;supposing you have a person printing machine, can make them up to spec. 925662;1416172527;asciilifeform;what'd a 'nerdcore' anyway 925663;1416172534;mircea_popescu;well, the designated chumps, "the U.S. East Coast cryptanalytic community" 925664;1416172576;mircea_popescu;a nerdcore is roughly what "academia" is : adding words to specified idiocy to make it palatable. it's not a buncha derps, because CORE. 925665;1416172606;asciilifeform;not being one of the designated chumps in question, i'd ask for a subverted greybeard. but i am not a doctor of chumpatronics, and may be naive here. 925666;1416172621;mircea_popescu;uh. how'd that work ? 925667;1416172623;asciilifeform;e.g. schneier 925668;1416172656;xanthyos;a person printing machine like from kafka's "in the penal colony" 925669;1416172663;mircea_popescu;~ on the basis of sheer animal magnetism ~ 925670;1416172663;mircea_popescu;gotta stick to the strat yo. 925671;1416172691;asciilifeform;i'd have picked him based on his 'street cred' from his service in the '90s crypto wars 925672;1416172700;mircea_popescu;but thats out of scope. 925673;1416172762;asciilifeform;if question specifically concerns 'animal magnetism' - difficult to answer. most of the chumpatronic work involved, i doubt would win from this stratagem. i, for instance, have never (to my knowledge) been within musket distance of a live cryptographer (of whatever variety) 925674;1416172779;mircea_popescu;but we are discussing the nerdcore. 925675;1416172781;mircea_popescu;you know, like bitcoincore. 925676;1416172782;asciilifeform;ergo i need to be chumped with paper 925677;1416172798;asciilifeform;and how many of these chumps are chumped in a lecture hall, and not with paper? 925678;1416172809;mircea_popescu;i think most. 925679;1416172814;asciilifeform;seriously? 925680;1416172821;asciilifeform;how many of the 'tardstalk' folks have seen gavin alive 925681;1416172828;mircea_popescu;the reason the remnant is so insistent on "real world" vs "trolls" perhaps follows a simple calculation 925682;1416172833;asciilifeform;i, for example, don't even know what he looks like 925683;1416172840;mircea_popescu;"we have a this which works and a that which sort-of works and is more expensive" 925684;1416172851;mircea_popescu;i would bet you 100% have. 925685;1416172855;mircea_popescu;no exceptions. 925686;1416172856;asciilifeform;well, not knowingly 925687;1416172882;mircea_popescu;http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/1/14/Silvio_Micali_IMG_0459.jpg << this, incidentally, is whom "leadership" was captured...from. 925688;1416172942;asciilifeform;for all i know, lizard hitler rides elevator with me every day 925689;1416172942;*;asciilifeform does not recall seeing this mug before 925690;1416172942;mircea_popescu;so basically, not your kind of job ? 925691;1416172942;asciilifeform;unfortunately not. 925692;1416172942;asciilifeform;although, now that you mention it, 925693;1416172942;asciilifeform;reading the ancient 'cryptolog', i can almost hear a tone of voice 925694;1416172944;mircea_popescu;you can can't you. 925695;1416172949;asciilifeform;and it sounds very much like certain other persons 925696;1416172961;mircea_popescu;this is how the fucking problem with "releases" go. 925697;1416172981;xanthyos;;;gettrust thomas_d 925698;1416172981;mircea_popescu;it is functionally impossible to make a release that works for *any* evnetual readers. 925699;1416172982;gribble;WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user xanthyos to user thomas_d: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=xanthyos&dest=thomas_d | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=thomas_d | Rated since: never 925700;1416173004;asciilifeform;it isn't even 'cold psychopath' or the like. it is the basic tone of voice of the 'mean gurlz' who are, between sentences, cackling at the 'goodies' their gurlz club is privy to 925701;1416173008;asciilifeform;vs. the chumpers 925702;1416173076;asciilifeform;now that this came up, i will say that i have seen this alive 925703;1416173094;asciilifeform;as in, actual (former) friends who took up the cloak of the beast, and their patterns of speech actually changed. 925704;1416173116;asciilifeform;similar to how men who have sat in russian prison, have detectably characteristic patterns of speech 925705;1416173132;asciilifeform;specifically not speaking of vocabulary or idiomatisms here 925706;1416173135;asciilifeform;but patterns. 925707;1416173245;mircea_popescu;heh. 925708;1416173330;asciilifeform;at any rate, i can imagine only with great difficulty that a usg cryptologist of any actual stature (that is, creator of, or even privy to, a 'crown jewel') would be permitted to make public so much as a newspaper ad for a dog walker, much less a document pertaining to his profession. 925709;1416173353;asciilifeform;(an internal report marked 'confidential' should be regarded as a public document for the purpose of this statement.) 925710;1416173361;asciilifeform;'confidential' is the lowest level of classification in usg. 925711;1416173377;asciilifeform;about on par with a receipt for pizza at the office. 925712;1416173436;mircea_popescu;ok, let me put this in a different light. 925713;1416173441;asciilifeform;the author is likely an 'outer circle' man. 925714;1416173462;mircea_popescu;out of the 100k or so academics trudging for us-academia-wot, how many are likely to publish their research like i do, on trilema, just like that ? 925715;1416173467;asciilifeform;kept around, permitted to work on problems in his circle of interests among his own kind, but generally kept away from anything 'jewel'-like. 925716;1416173475;mircea_popescu;not a matter of "permitted" per se. 925717;1416173509;asciilifeform;us-academia or 'intelligence komyoonity' ? 925718;1416173513;asciilifeform;rather different animals 925719;1416173525;asciilifeform;(similar in some interesting ways, but kept in separate tanks at the zoo) 925720;1416173544;mircea_popescu;separate but identical ? 925721;1416173561;asciilifeform;i have personally only taken a swim in the larger tank, the former 925722;1416173569;asciilifeform;cannot speak for the smaller tank 925723;1416173637;asciilifeform;but among generic u.s. mathemasturbators, unaffiliated with nsa et al, it is quite common to post 'preprints' on www. 925724;1416173725;mircea_popescu;anonymously ? 925725;1416173759;asciilifeform;no, on their official university www, typically 925726;1416173785;asciilifeform;often, even now, as 'postscript' turds 925727;1416173798;mircea_popescu;so in short : people who make their living cutting beards are not likely to be seen cutting beards outside of the place where this pays. 925728;1416173840;asciilifeform;well, they also tend to use their barbershops as homes. in the sense that many academics keep personal blog-type material on the same site. 925729;1416173853;asciilifeform;(herr kokkarinen, before anyone asks, did not) 925730;1416173880;asciilifeform;example: http://doubletap.cs.umd.edu/purtilo 925731;1416173941;asciilifeform;^ met very briefly in meatspace 925732;1416173941;mircea_popescu;http://doubletap.cs.umd.edu/purtilo/Despair/image011.jpg << srsly ? 925733;1416174001;mircea_popescu;a much better caption would be minsky with his eyes closed. 925734;1416174001;asciilifeform;lol 925735;1416174001;asciilifeform;i think that actually hangs in the hall where he works. 925736;1416174171;mircea_popescu;manamex: got worned by bitbethelp everyone on this channel gets dosed << lol we're speshul. 925737;1416174432;ben_vulpes;;;isup trilema.com 925738;1416174433;gribble;trilema.com is up 925739;1416174441;ben_vulpes;hogwash 925740;1416174451;asciilifeform;aha dead. 925741;1416174489;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 21 @ 0.09372684 = 1.9683 BTC [+] {10} 925742;1416174893;ben_vulpes;http://40.media.tumblr.com/07be76749f6cc892986bfae1bce601a2/tumblr_ndjcrgdsNm1u1v4zpo1_1280.jpg 925743;1416174962;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: reminiscent of bucky fuller's dumps 925744;1416174990;ben_vulpes;rather. 925745;1416175898;assbot;thomas_d +v failed; L1: 0, L2: 0 925746;1416175908;asciilifeform;!up thomas_d 925747;1416175914;thomas_d;yo i registered 925748;1416175923;thomas_d;:) 925749;1416176045;xanthyos;;;rate thomas_d 1 known on tinychat for a while. seals with clubs player. 925750;1416176046;gribble;Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user thomas_d has been recorded. 925751;1416176127;thomas_d;;;rate thomas_d 1 real stand-up guy 925752;1416176128;gribble;Error: You cannot rate yourself. 925753;1416176131;thomas_d;damn 925754;1416176164;thomas_d;;;rate xanthyos 1 good upbringing 925755;1416176165;gribble;Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user xanthyos has been recorded. 925756;1416176172;xanthyos;heh 925757;1416176174;joecool;;;gettrust joecool 925758;1416176175;gribble;Currently authenticated from hostmask joecool!~joecool@no-sources/joecool. Trust relationship from user joecool to user joecool: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 66 via 38 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=joecool&dest=joecool | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=joecool | Rated since: Thu Apr 28 14:23:15 2011 925759;1416177853;asciilifeform;http://oddlinuxstrings.wordpress.com/2010/01/27/gpg-binarys-strings 925760;1416177913;asciilifeform;(especially entertaining in light of the 'strings' bug) 925761;1416178226;joecool;!s strings 925762;1416178227;assbot;517 results for 'strings' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=strings 925763;1416178269;asciilifeform;joecool: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=27-10-2014#897906 (and below) 925764;1416178269;assbot;Logged on 27-10-2014 00:39:54; asciilifeform: http://lcamtuf.blogspot.com/2014/10/psa-dont-run-strings-on-untrusted-files.html 925765;1416178278;joecool;yeah i see it 925766;1416178727;decimation;asciilifeform: much more lulzy in that cryptolog is the section on 'TQM' 925767;1416178786;decimation;"NSA as an institution, however has become a TQM believer, born again in the gospel of Deming" 925768;1416178794;decimation;!s deming 925769;1416178795;assbot;0 results for 'deming' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=deming 925770;1416178807;asciilifeform;deming is reasonably famous 925771;1416178823;decimation;deming et. al. were kind of cult 'self-help' experts for managers 925772;1416178836;asciilifeform;aha. 925773;1416178964;decimation;this book goes into some detail on the history of the supposed 'efficiency experts' like deming http://books.google.com/books?id=t1IOQWG3hckC 925774;1416179024;asciilifeform;have not read this, but it appears to 'drink the koolaid' 925775;1416179024;asciilifeform;and so, of limited interest 925776;1416179024;decimation;his theory (which is somewhat convoluted) is that us business was ruined in the post-wwII boom because traditional management (in the line-and-staff model) were being replaced by 'staff' instead of competent 'line' 925777;1416179137;decimation;really, it traces the general breakdown of social heirarchy expounded in the logs 925778;1416179199;decimation;in fact, there's a parallel between the 'cisc' vs. 'risc' efficiency argument you make (efficient at what?) and the demingites (we make your people more efficient - details unimportant!) 925779;1416179317;asciilifeform;well, the real boojum (as described, for example, by mircea_popescu) is that the optimization folks did not put the task as 'build $widget using less steel, rubber, hours of slave' but 'build $widget more bezzleprofitably' which usually leads to 'build $widget-prime and try to pass off to chumpers as genuine $widget' 925780;1416179326;asciilifeform;$widget-prime is normally some debased/inferior version 925781;1416179329;asciilifeform;!s zamac 925782;1416179330;assbot;12 results for 'zamac' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=zamac 925783;1416179332;asciilifeform;etc 925784;1416179419;asciilifeform;just about everyone (except the usual suspects) can 'agree to have' the folks cranking out debased fiat currencies, but they are not the only (and possibly not even the most interesting) 'counterfeiters' 925785;1416179426;asciilifeform;*agree to hate 925786;1416179455;asciilifeform;one example, randomly pulled out of a hat, is 'solid state hard disk' 925787;1416179473;asciilifeform;where increased densities are presently being achieved in a way which guarantees a speedier death through ion migration 925788;1416179496;asciilifeform;but i (or anyone else here) could sit for a week, coughing up examples of this, and not come close to running out 925789;1416179566;asciilifeform;!s shrinkflation 925790;1416179567;assbot;4 results for 'shrinkflation' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=shrinkflation 925791;1416179581;jurov;you're supposed to throw everything out after x months, didn't you get the memo? 925792;1416179588;asciilifeform;x minutes 925793;1416179590;asciilifeform;per latest memo! 925794;1416180736;undata;how much more "prepared for total war" can ukraine get? 925795;1416180755;undata;this ww3 cocktease is getting old 925796;1416180759;decimation;asciilifeform: yeah, ssd's are a good example. and note that nearly all manufacturers neglect to make clear how they are driving their flash and what kind fo flash it is 925797;1416181229;cazalla;i guess ddos is back :\ 925798;1416181346;kakobrekla;down for 2h 18m 925799;1416182506;xanthyos;;;rate thomas_d 2 really good at poker and gpg contract signing for a new guy. 925800;1416182508;gribble;Rating entry successful. Your rating for user thomas_d has changed from 1 to 2. 925801;1416182560;gabriel_laddel;;; later tell mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-11-2014#907114 Thank you. 925802;1416182560;assbot;Logged on 02-11-2014 21:05:38; mircea_popescu: gabriel_laddel: heh <<< i like the guy's specifications skills tho. 925803;1416182560;gribble;The operation succeeded. 925804;1416182633;jurov;coinbr is getting 30k pingbacks/minute 925805;1416182655;kakobrekla;those are easy to block 925806;1416182707;thestringpuller;coinbr isn't wordpress how is it getting pingback? 925807;1416182734;jurov;75.103.66.8 - - [16/Nov/2014:22:08:27 +0000] "GET /login HTTP/1.1" 444 0 "-" "WordPress/3.9.2; http://andybarrforcongress.com; verifying pingback from 142.0.44.50" "75.103.66.8" 925808;1416182794;jurov;^ like this 925809;1416182794;kakobrekla;yea 925810;1416184087;ben_vulpes;xanthyos: d'you plan to endeedify that that contract? 925811;1416184153;thestringpuller;http://i.imgur.com/1o7co53.jpg 925812;1416184259;ben_vulpes;suspiciously simple. 925813;1416184275;kakobrekla;your favorite news outlet is up 925814;1416184484;xanthyos;ben_vulpes: i just googled "endeedify" adn the only 2 results were from assets log. i plan no endeedification for a .001 poker tournament 925815;1416184526;kakobrekla;i also get http://www.wordreference.com/ende/edify 925816;1416184527;assbot;edify - Wörterbuch Englisch-Deutsch - WordReference.com 925817;1416184570;ben_vulpes;xanthyos: it's really easy, just 925818;1416184578;ben_vulpes;.deed 925819;1416184578;punkbot;ben_vulpes: Error: ') -- Changes your GPG registered key to . is a 16 digit key id, with or without the '0x' prefix. We look on servers listed in 'plugins.GPG.keyservers' config. You will be given a link to a page which contains a one time password encrypted with your key. Decrypt, and use the 'everify' command with it. You must be authenticated in order to use this (1 more message) 925851;1416185317;kakobrekla;someone actually uses 'keybase' ?!?! < no surprise there 925852;1416185333;*;BingoBoingo wouldn't mind having Clipper Ship 925853;1416185351;xanthyos;i don't use keybase but my key was generated there 925854;1416185359;assbot;Last 1 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/1EN4S8J.txt ) 925855;1416185359;kakobrekla;!b 1 925856;1416185374;Apocalyptic;why on earth would you generate a key outside of your system ? 925857;1416185382;kakobrekla;to get in the bash ez 925858;1416185387;assbot;Last 2 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/3RTE8DH.txt ) 925859;1416185387;kakobrekla;!b 2 925860;1416185411;asciilifeform;http://demotivators.despair.com/demotivational/mistakesdemotivator.jpg 925861;1416185439;thestringpuller;that's depressing 925862;1416185476;oglafbot;http://oglaf.com/razzledazzle/ 925863;1416185477;assbot;Razzle-dazzle 925864;1416185760;gernika;BingoBoingo I think Yasha Levine is male. 925865;1416185772;nubbins`;hi 925866;1416185775;BingoBoingo;Oh 925867;1416185785;xanthyos;it's all i was taught 925868;1416185788;xanthyos;again, blame dpb 925869;1416185795;asciilifeform;dimunitive of 'jacob' 925870;1416185805;xanthyos;i'm trying to generate a key now 925871;1416185812;xanthyos;on a slow machine 925872;1416185857;nubbins`;http://imgur.com/lpIrYSr <<< i'd raid that fucking thing for parts. 925873;1416185858;assbot; 'Grass' Model 79 D - Imgur 925874;1416185864;nubbins`;DEM RECTANGULAR KNOBS 925875;1416185871;asciilifeform;nubbins`: they were superbly made. 925876;1416185885;BingoBoingo;gernika: Updated it to use the first name. 925877;1416185897;nubbins`;it was sound amplification that introduced me to the joy of a well-made knob 925878;1416185907;ben_vulpes;are rectangular knobs cool? 925879;1416185914;ben_vulpes;to me they scream "i can't make stuff" 925880;1416185916;asciilifeform;nubbins`: knobs << yet another reason to own a lathe. 925881;1416185919;nubbins`;ben_vulpes they're shaped like nintendo wii, what do you think 925882;1416185942;nubbins`;asciilifeform what, making body jewelry for the kids isn't lucrative enough? 925883;1416185986;asciilifeform;http://imgur.com/ZWfLNJM << from same shop 925884;1416185986;assbot; lathe - Imgur 925885;1416185989;ben_vulpes;it seems like the rectangular knobs are used for discrete settings and the round ones for continuous settings? 925886;1416186014;ben_vulpes;now that's a lathe 925887;1416186022;nubbins`;what a beast 925888;1416186023;asciilifeform;there was an even bigger one there 925889;1416186040;*;asciilifeform didn't buy either. can't transport, can't supply 3phase 925890;1416186049;nubbins`;ben_vulpes i think the round ones look indexed as well 925891;1416186053;thestringpuller;what does the turd lathe look like? 925892;1416186060;ben_vulpes;they do don't they, nubbins` 925893;1416186070;asciilifeform;thestringpuller: turd lathe << ask jurov 925894;1416186072;nubbins`;coulda just put the dots there for a laff, i guess 925895;1416186084;*;ben_vulpes backs away slowly 925896;1416186102;ben_vulpes;clearly cohesion in operator interface was not a design goal for this machine. 925897;1416186105;xanthyos;shit just overwrote something important i can't undo 925898;1416186122;assbot;Last 1 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/277RYPR.txt ) 925899;1416186122;ben_vulpes;!b 1 925900;1416186137;asciilifeform;the round knobs turned smoothly. 925901;1416186141;nubbins`;ah 925902;1416186142;ben_vulpes;! 925903;1416186144;nubbins`;are those DIN connectors for the inputs? 925904;1416186147;ben_vulpes;dots for laffs 925905;1416186155;xanthyos;made it like it was a huge issue to change my key now and i'm not up for it 925906;1416186167;asciilifeform;iirc din, yes 925907;1416186194;nubbins`;<+ben_vulpes> dots for laffs <<< wouldn't be the first time 925908;1416186227;nubbins`;speaking of DIN, i've got this tiny korg synthesizer, with all-analog voice circuitry 925909;1416186235;nubbins`;it's got a tiny chip inside to control a sequencer 925910;1416186250;nubbins`;has MIDI functionality built in, the only thing they didn't do was wire up a DIN port. 925911;1416186253;ben_vulpes;xanthyos: you should back your .gnupg dir up before doing *anything* to it. 925912;1416186269;ben_vulpes;maybe not adding others' keys to your keyring but...pretty much anything else until you're comfortable with the process. 925913;1416186321;nubbins`;incidentally, korg released the schematics for the synth as well as a couple others 925914;1416186335;xanthyos;i haven't lost data 925915;1416186340;xanthyos;just the convenient way i had it organized 925916;1416186369;jurov;;;google turd lathe 925917;1416186370;gribble;Bird Turd Jesus: Ohio Man Jim Lawry Says Dropping On His ...: ; Alex Wetmore is always busy with something… » Cargo Turd: ; Help me design my CNC lathe - CNC Zone: 925918;1416186386;xanthyos;everything is backed up that needs to be backed up, except for the specific way i like things presented to me in directories 925919;1416186422;nubbins`;http://www.muffwiggler.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=39099&start=all&postdays=0&postorder=asc&sid=8fa7e6356837697bb30abd24276b3b7a 925920;1416186436;nubbins`;^ for music/hardware mod buffs 925921;1416186437;ben_vulpes;muff wiggler eh 925922;1416186507;nubbins`;like 1/4 of the way through the thread people are posting pics of their diy "mod chips" ;D 925923;1416186546;nubbins`;but seriously, korg helpfully labelled all the interesting mod points on ths board 925924;1416186547;nubbins`;http://www.muffwiggler.com/forum/userpix/1263_pcb_explaination_1.jpg 925925;1416186549;nubbins`;watta company 925926;1416187398;nubbins`;thestringpuller looks like your pkg is in ny 925927;1416187952;thestringpuller;LOL 925928;1416187958;thestringpuller;took that long to cross the border? 925929;1416188231;nubbins`;right? 925930;1416188252;nubbins`;anyway canada post says tomorrow, but i don't think a package is gonna get from a sort facility in nyc to your door in a day 925931;1416188262;nubbins`;o hi 925932;1416188272;nubbins`;duod yuor website is borken 925933;1416188317;mircea_popescu;it's not broken for me!11 925934;1416188322;nubbins`;heh. 925935;1416188333;nubbins`;"my roof isn't on fire here in the basement! 925936;1416188347;mircea_popescu;i guess we get to know what solipsism really is. turns out mp really doesn't give a shit as long as he himself can see his website. 925937;1416188358;nubbins`;the solipsistic soliloquist 925938;1416188367;mircea_popescu;if you wanna pm me an ip i can whitelist it. 925939;1416188371;nubbins`;a polimedia venture 925940;1416188414;nubbins`;guess i'll see what sort of lease i get on these things 925941;1416188541;mircea_popescu;nubbins` i guess the tarpitting may be too aggrssive at the edges or w/e. anyway. anyone else want whitelisted lemme know. 925942;1416188598;mircea_popescu;decimation: "NSA as an institution, however has become a TQM believer, born again in the gospel of Deming" <<< im not even sure anyone groks the botomless pit of lulz this otherwise truthful statement contains. 925943;1416188605;mircea_popescu;where is your lizzard hitler nao, asciilifeform ? 925944;1416188715;BingoBoingo;Probably sunning himself on some rocks, like lizard hitler does 925945;1416188729;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform: 'build $widget-prime and try to pass off to chumpers as genuine $widget' <<< what else is the 80/20 software engineering approach than "build 80% of a functional program out of 20% of the budget and then try to pretend like we're selling it for "half price" ? 925946;1416188742;mircea_popescu;meanwhile after 20 iterations of this, one every year and a half, 925947;1416188746;mircea_popescu;;;calc .8 ** 20 925948;1416188746;gribble;0.0115292150461 925949;1416188752;mircea_popescu;o look! one percent! 925950;1416188809;mircea_popescu;and you know what the best part of it is ? meanwhile inflation... 925951;1416188814;mircea_popescu;;;calc .2 ** 20 925952;1416188814;gribble;0 925953;1416188825;mircea_popescu;ahem. i mean. 925954;1416188827;mircea_popescu;;;calc .5 ** 20 925955;1416188827;gribble;9.53674316406e-07 925956;1416188847;mircea_popescu;o look! we can print 10 million dollars to the dollar and inflation is pretty much even! because reasons! 925957;1416188852;mircea_popescu;meanwhile corporate profits... 925958;1416188862;mircea_popescu;;;calc .5 ** 20 / .2 ** 20 925959;1416188862;gribble;90949470.1773 925960;1416188874;mircea_popescu;whoa look at the corporate profits!11 wall street is best street! 925961;1416188975;mircea_popescu;and so today you can buy an icecream cone like you could in the 80s, except : that it is "the same icecream" that's 1% icecream, that you buy it for "the same dollars" that have been inflated 10mn to one and that all this allowed imaginary profits nobody can spent to be safely stored where such things are usually stored : fort knox, the social security, people's pensions... 925962;1416189048;nubbins`;pensions are so 20th century 925963;1416189058;mircea_popescu;defo. 925964;1416189072;nubbins`;i expect to see them vanish as a concern in my lifetime 925965;1416189088;mircea_popescu;well they're only hanging by the thread of pretense as it is. 925966;1416189097;nubbins`;not even that, in many cases 925967;1416189101;mircea_popescu;like those slumlord fire hidrants, they're red and they're safelt there 925968;1416189104;mircea_popescu;for as long as no fires. 925969;1416189109;nubbins`;there have been several "take half your pension or take none of it 925970;1416189118;nubbins`;" type situations in these parts, the past couple years 925971;1416189123;mircea_popescu;orly ? 925972;1416189125;mircea_popescu;links ? 925973;1416189137;nubbins`;maybe still winding thru arbitration. i'll dig 925974;1416189334;nubbins`;ok this was actually a couple years ago 925975;1416189335;nubbins`;http://bondpapers.wordpress.com/category/cbppl/ 925976;1416189395;nubbins`;govt coffers in a bad way as well: http://themuse.ca/2014/04/02/debt-and-unfunded-pension-liabilities-threaten-provinces-finances/ 925977;1416189455;nubbins`;and federally: http://www.cfib-fcei.ca/english/article/4034-canada-s-hidden-unfunded-public-sector-pension-liabilities.html 925978;1416189515;mircea_popescu;o.O 925979;1416189515;mircea_popescu;interesting. 925980;1416189515;mircea_popescu;i didn't know it actually got THIS bad. 925981;1416189515;nubbins`;same outlook as social insurance (social security for yanqis), but from a different angle 925982;1416189515;nubbins`;"well if my old-age pension won't be there, at least i'll have my... uh.." 925983;1416189515;mircea_popescu;reddit account. 925984;1416189515;mircea_popescu;full of reddit gld. 925985;1416189552;nubbins`;heh 925986;1416189584;nubbins`;at least we've got our natural resourc...OH FUCK 925987;1416189736;thestringpuller;mircea_popescu: where is your announcement that happened in nov - dec 2012 saying you were selling more shares of MPOE on MPEx? 925988;1416189751;thestringpuller;it was slightly before the "MPOE is likely monetizing itself" article 925989;1416189767;nubbins`;"Provincial budgeting has been off by an average of $800 million a year over the past seven years, largely due to inaccurate oil projections." 925990;1416189769;mircea_popescu;just read the mpex category neh ? 925991;1416189801;thestringpuller;i will when butthurt ddoser decides to stop ruining the nice things for us 925992;1416189802;nubbins`;he's outta credits 925993;1416189821;nubbins`;incidentally, my trilema cookie was the one thing i didn't save when i wiped this machine 925994;1416189875;thestringpuller;i backed my trilema cookie up via gpg on a bunch of sites like dropbox 925995;1416189890;thestringpuller;since I lost it twice in 2012 925996;1416190131;asciilifeform;pension << 'the last bullet health'n'life-insurance-and-pension co.' 925997;1416190165;asciilifeform;lizard hitler << at 'meta-nsa' naturally, where else 925998;1416190247;asciilifeform;(for folks who want a more 'upbeat' figure as an example for a leaf of living matter inside bureaucratic garbage compactor - try korolev.) 925999;1416190314;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: incidentally, how does korolev fit in your analysis of 'how much would satan have to pay to be loved' ? 926000;1416190350;asciilifeform;or lev theremin, for that matter 926001;1416190351;mircea_popescu;i thought it was "evil governmen t" not stan ? 926002;1416190358;asciilifeform;satan 926003;1416190375;asciilifeform;fact is, we have numerous historic examples of folks who did first-class creative work while prisoners. 926004;1416190380;mircea_popescu;thestringpuller try nao ? 926005;1416190443;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform myeah. it doesn't fit. 926006;1416190485;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: so it would follow that usg has a model recipe to follow. 926007;1416190506;asciilifeform;all it has to do is 'supply the chicken' 926008;1416190522;mircea_popescu;yes. the man who wants to make woman cheese has a recipe to follow : https://shanachan.org/fetish/res/11776.html 926009;1416190582;mircea_popescu;whether this is workable or not is in the end their problem. 926010;1416190583;assbot;Last 2 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/1A3XPYF.txt ) 926011;1416190583;asciilifeform;!b 2 926012;1416190583;xanthyos;woah wtf 926013;1416190597;thestringpuller;oh boy stuff is loading! 926014;1416190690;mircea_popescu;in the end the whole discussion neatly reduces to whether men are more like cows or more like mice. 926015;1416190785;mircea_popescu;xanthyos if you ever want to get a militant feminist rabid, tell her to stop bitching about dairy farm conditions, it's just patriarchy's dry run for her and her kind. 926016;1416190790;mircea_popescu;that usually keeps them for a good half hour. 926017;1416190901;hanbot;mircea_popescu: hanbot mail the man would you. << so emailed. 926018;1416191137;decimation;excellent! 926019;1416191200;decimation;https://www.nsa.gov/public_info/_files/cryptologic_quarterly/the_parable_of_the_tail_with_no_teeth.pdf << another amusing gem 926020;1416191369;decimation;asciilifeform: "supply chicken" << I get the general impression that the 'chicken' volunteers 926021;1416191381;decimation;I'm not really sure usg even knows how to 'supply' 926022;1416191425;decimation;as a gradually larger portion of the 'sane class' in the us begins to perceive usg as more of an enemy than a friend, I suspect the quality of 'chicken' will degrade further. 926023;1416191483;xanthyos;mircea_popescu: it's a shame you're not on twitter anymore with that content 926024;1416191516;mircea_popescu;decimation it is usually how it works in practice. 926025;1416191524;mircea_popescu;mind that the fact that it so works in practice is no actual proof. 926026;1416191536;mircea_popescu;for all we know, it is *possible* it dun happen this time. wink wink. 926027;1416191624;decimation;http://www.kob.com/article/stories/s3565869.shtml 926028;1416191657;assbot;Video shows two men's confrontation with NSA recruiter at UNM | KOB.com 926029;1416191657;decimation;I suspect that pre-snowden, this kind of thing rarely happened 926030;1416191852;asciilifeform;decimation: lol!! 926031;1416191889;asciilifeform;where is my nsa beating!? 926032;1416191921;decimation;another lol http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2014/01/17/how-the-nsa-recruits-in-a-post-snowden-world.html << "“We need to recruit from Snowden’s generation,” admitted former CIA and NSA director Michael Hayden last July. “The challenge is how to recruit this talent while also protecting ourselves from the small fraction of the population that has this romantic attachment to absolute transparency at all costs.”" 926033;1416191922;assbot;How the NSA Recruits in a Post-Snowden World - The Daily Beast 926034;1416191950;*;asciilifeform watched, disappointed, no beating 926035;1416191954;undata;tut tut, hapless romantics 926036;1416191960;decimation;yeah the actual video is pretty lame 926037;1416191981;decimation;annoy the shit out of some gov't clerk, he lashes out, news at 11 926038;1416191988;asciilifeform;'why did you choose to come and heckle a government agency, which is honestly trying to recruit?!' 926039;1416192022;decimation;asciilifeform: can you imagine a similar conversation at a soviet university at the kgb recruiting desk? 926040;1416192034;asciilifeform;decimation: can you picture a kgb recruiting desk? 926041;1416192043;asciilifeform;decimation: this is not how things worked. 926042;1416192052;decimation;exactly. Thus, the quality of chicken 926043;1416192072;mircea_popescu;"from the small fraction of the population that has this romantic attachment to absolute transparency at all costs." < < the sweetest sugar of etatism, 926044;1416192085;decimation;mircea_popescu: he doesn't even realize either 926045;1416192087;mircea_popescu;"that people who hate us, in principle, exactly for what we are, are a REALLY small fraction" 926046;1416192100;mircea_popescu;well, fatlogic. 926047;1416192125;asciilifeform;magic combo of hate + ability + balls, note. small fraction. 926048;1416192132;undata;" 926049;1416192141;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform not what the man said. 926050;1416192142;undata;grrr... bad paste 926051;1416192145;decimation;although to be fair, I'm sure in his world as long as he has some poll that implies that 50% of usian support whatever he is planning to do, he would consider it 'legitimate' 926052;1416192180;undata;"Potter says he is still deciding if he will press charges for assault." << this is weak 926053;1416192184;asciilifeform;usg is an 'oderint, dum metuant' kinda thing. 926054;1416192186;mircea_popescu;decimation indeed, up until that point where i make a poll where 200mn vote for him to surgically attach a cow vagina on his forehead 926055;1416192194;mircea_popescu;sudenly the entire polling thing won't be as legitimate. 926056;1416192255;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform that's nonsense. nobody fears it. 926057;1416192273;mircea_popescu;and nobody hates it, either. the usg is widely despised, and in some quarters reviled. 926058;1416192303;decimation;http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/government-elections-politics/united-states-of-secrets/transcript-61/ << hayden 'in the moment' << "And Michael Hayden goes home after briefing the president and the vice president about his ideas for expanding surveillance and takes a walk with his wife. ... "And when it gets public, it’s going to be very controversial. And the people doing it are going to be swept into this thing.” And 926059;1416192304;assbot;Transcript | United States of Secrets | FRONTLINE | PBS 926060;1416192304;decimation;she said, “Uh-huh. Is it the right thing to do?” “Yeah, I think so.” She said, “OK, we’ll deal with that when it comes.”" 926061;1416192356;mircea_popescu;what'd you want the woman to say. 926062;1416192398;decimation;I guess my point is, if you are looking for 'lizard hitler', here he is - a couple of high level derps decide they can 'get away with X' and convince themselves that 'it's the right thing' 926063;1416192445;mircea_popescu;this is not what would fill that costume. 926064;1416192466;mircea_popescu;in that it's neither a lizard nor hitler. 926065;1416192565;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-11-2014#922788 926066;1416192565;assbot;Logged on 15-11-2014 00:54:02; assbot: Logged on 14-11-2014 22:24:42; asciilifeform: (for n00bs only: who is 'lizard hitler' ? a character approximately as real as magnetic field lines were to michael faraday. don't look for magnetic field lines, they aren't there. physically. or as far as we can tell, anyway.) 926067;1416192609;thestringpuller;mircea_popescu: so anyone know this Khalahan Henkh fellow ? << anyone respond to this? 926068;1416192618;mircea_popescu;nope. 926069;1416192633;thestringpuller;i think i can get an inquiry with him 926070;1416192641;mircea_popescu;that's ok. 926071;1416192661;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform ok, but they still have to be... you know, NOT wet pasta. 926072;1416192663;asciilifeform;tenure revokes itself, car bombs plant themselves, nailguns - fire themselves, of course. and single-engine airplanes go down regularly for no particular reason. 926073;1416192667;thestringpuller;ah. what did you want with the namecoin guy? 926074;1416192695;mircea_popescu;thestringpuller i wanted to see if anyone knows him. "can get an inquiry with" is the opposite of that. 926075;1416192723;thestringpuller;he's in wot you kno? 926076;1416192731;decimation;asciilifeform: if 'lizard hitler' is a physical entity, he's probably not working for usg 926077;1416192734;thestringpuller;;;gettrust khal 926078;1416192734;gribble;WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user thestringpuller to user khal: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=thestringpuller&dest=khal | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=khal | Rated since: Tue May 10 13:27:55 2011 926079;1416192735;decimation;at least not as an employee 926080;1416192741;asciilifeform;employer. 926081;1416192802;mircea_popescu;decimation it'd be the big bad, by definition. it only exists conceptually to accomodate asciilifeform's rampant pareidolia :D 926082;1416192822;asciilifeform;at any rate, physical 'hitlers' are not a necessary hypothesis. ussr was perfectly capable of plugging a poor sod on a london bridge with poison umbrella, without competent leadership 926083;1416192844;asciilifeform;empire can commit any kind of elaborate crimes without leader. only thing it can't do without leader is - survive in long term 926084;1416192847;asciilifeform;but that's a separate puzzle 926085;1416192878;decimation;asciilifeform: the best explanation for that kind of thing would be some low-level derp with a hard-on for a particular agenda, who initiates - and the rest of the bureaucracy 'leads from behind' 926086;1416192880;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform you could say teh plugging with ricin episode was the result of competent kgb leadership neh ? 926087;1416192893;decimation;or the polonium? 926088;1416192894;mircea_popescu;o hey, beat at it again... 926089;1416192925;asciilifeform;competent leadership in one particular lab - yes 926090;1416192928;mircea_popescu;xanthyos what's tinychat ? 926091;1416192981;mircea_popescu;jurov: coinbr is getting 30k pingbacks/minute << did it do anything ? 926092;1416193086;mircea_popescu;xanthyos: i don't use keybase but my key was generated there <<< "your". 926093;1416193232;decimation;at any rate nailguns, cars, polonium, ricin, these smack of a weak sovereign, not a strong one. who asked anyone in the 'chinese government' before they did something in Shanghai circa 1920? 926094;1416193282;mircea_popescu;;;google "can nobody rid me of this insolent priest" 926095;1416193283;gribble;Will No One Rid Me Of This Modified Noun-Phrase? | Josh Millard ...: ; Pageant Post Cards: ; Our Anglican Roots: St. Thomas Becket - Free Republic: 926096;1416193305;decimation;'becket' was actually a decent movie 926097;1416193310;asciilifeform;public wetwork, chattering newspapers - weak king; private discreet beheading now and again - strong. 926098;1416193314;mircea_popescu;it's a much better play. 926099;1416193372;decimation;mircea_popescu: which play, the private beheading? 926100;1416193384;mircea_popescu;it's a joke i was hoping to get in the bash. 926101;1416193387;mircea_popescu;cause samuel, see. 926102;1416193408;asciilifeform;this is much like judging restaurant quality by inverse of count of mousetraps. 926103;1416193415;asciilifeform;at best, a one-way measure 926104;1416193446;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform more like, judging dentist by inverse count of loud screams on the premises ; plastic surgeon by inverse count of lawsuits. 926105;1416193457;mircea_popescu;knew a chick that did both, she had superb tits and splendid teeth. 926106;1416193498;asciilifeform;or let's try a degenerate case - hassan i sabbah 926107;1416193517;asciilifeform;governed entirely by dagger-in-the-night 926108;1416193523;asciilifeform;worked well enough. 926109;1416193602;asciilifeform;every little boy wants to be an intelligence chief; but every intelligence chief - wants to be hassan. 926110;1416193665;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform i think you may be conflating things. guy a) lived on a mountain ; b) among an ethnically opressed majority that he supported ; c) against a technologically advanced foreign power. 926111;1416193668;mircea_popescu;the rest's just icing, much like saying "robin hood governed Sherwood County by arrow." 926112;1416193670;mircea_popescu;first off, sherwood was a ... wood. 926113;1416193677;asciilifeform;^ yes 926114;1416193697;xanthyos;mircea_popescu: tinychat is a badly coded insecure site where degenerates go on webcam to be codependent alcoholics and prey on underage girls 926115;1416193745;mircea_popescu;so basically social media 926116;1416193747;xanthyos;if you didn't want to play chess against birdman with that gui i doubt you'd want to load tinychat 926117;1416193750;xanthyos;yes 926118;1416193917;asciilifeform;that film of the recruiter monkey parroting nsa verbiage was memorably pathetic 926119;1416193957;asciilifeform;what must it be like to be, literally, employed as human tape deck ? 926120;1416194024;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform ask diana what's her name, the sec senior counsel chick. 926121;1416194042;mircea_popescu;heck, ask obama. 926122;1416194046;decimation;asciilifeform: all powers to say things are reserved to the top tier of usg 926123;1416194058;decimation;obama has to ask valarie jarret 926124;1416194064;mircea_popescu;lol 926125;1416194111;mircea_popescu;decimation admire this funny : early frankish kings were physically weak in a world that had but contempt for weaklings. they saw a way out in hiring bodyguards, which was convenient. for charlemagne. 926126;1416194149;mircea_popescu;early us kings were intellectually weak, in world that had but contempt for weaklings. they saw a way out in hiring "pr", people to protect them from the deep waters of speech and thought. 926127;1416194154;mircea_popescu;which was convenient. for... 926128;1416194160;assbot;Last 3 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/31ZFBVT.txt ) 926129;1416194160;asciilifeform;!b 3 926130;1416194187;decimation;hehe yeah 926131;1416194196;decimation;we await our caesar 926132;1416194257;decimation;http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2014/11/fire-valerie-jarrett-112659.html << " If her role in this administration reflected reality, Jarrett would be called “First Big Sister” to both Michelle and Barack. " 926133;1416194258;assbot;Fire Valerie Jarrett - Carol Felsenthal - POLITICO Magazine 926134;1416194287;decimation;I'm pretty sure obama just signs what he is told to sign and reads what he is told to read off the appropriate prompter 926135;1416194334;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=24-10-2014#892643 926136;1416194334;assbot;Logged on 24-10-2014 04:44:03; asciilifeform: 'At the 1980 Olympics, Brezhnev begins his speech. "O!"�applause. "O!"�an ovation. "O!!!"�the whole audience stands up and applauds. An aide comes running to the podium and whispers, "Leonid Ilyich, those are the Olympic logo rings, you don't need to read all of them!"' 926137;1416194386;decimation;http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/timstanley/100248221/bill-ayers-confesses-to-writing-obamas-memoir-he-didnt-but-his-tease-tells-us-a-lot-about-america/ 926138;1416194390;assbot;Bill Ayers 'confesses' to writing Obama's memoir. He didn't, but his tease tells us a lot about America – Telegraph Blogs 926139;1416194458;decimation;the lady doth protest too much 926140;1416194462;asciilifeform;i once saw this man alive. 926141;1416194471;asciilifeform;was more or less exactly as i imagined. 926142;1416194471;decimation;who Ayers? 926143;1416194473;asciilifeform;aha 926144;1416194481;decimation;crazy hippie bomber? 926145;1416194486;asciilifeform;no 926146;1416194502;asciilifeform;'resistance through culture' as described in mircea_popescu's articles 926147;1416194557;decimation;yeah Obama is pretty much the peak achievement of that 'movement', I don't see much more upside for them 926148;1416194568;*;mircea_popescu is confused. 926149;1416194638;decimation;mircea_popescu: perhaps I'm wrong, but in the us there is a context of the 'hippie boomer' generation who are all 'retiring' now 926150;1416194658;mircea_popescu;ah 926151;1416194680;decimation;obama is their wet dream, in the sense that they have finally overturned (superficiality) "the man's" institutions 926152;1416194687;asciilifeform;actually they all entered 'public life' long ago, as the most loathesomely loyal cocksuckers imaginable. 926153;1416194724;decimation;in 'public life', they were immediately schooled by fdr's sycophants who were exiting power at the time 926154;1416194848;decimation;this is one reason why usg is still fdr's usg (that and the fact that they and their friends razed the world in wwii) 926155;1416194905;thestringpuller;fdr's usg, but a lot more bankrupt. 926156;1416194908;mircea_popescu;well, not this, that. 926157;1416194940;asciilifeform;decimation: in wwii << after invention of nuke, they realized that much as they would love to repeat the performance again and again as necessary, might put their own arses in peril. so - settled for a slow and continuous version of this. 926158;1416194981;mircea_popescu;decimation let's be fair here : you're a freshman, there's 12 kids in senior year. eleven strip naked, pour gasoline over each other and set themselves ablaze. the 12th puts them out by running into them backwards then continues to run backwards into things for a week or so, until he's finally comatose and just spazzes quietly on the ground. 926159;1416194994;mircea_popescu;if those are your two choices, who do you vote most likely to succeed ? 926160;1416195047;decimation;good point 926161;1416195078;mircea_popescu;by practical standards, the us did really well in the 20th century. 926162;1416195103;decimation;sure, in terms of trade, production, etc 926163;1416195165;mircea_popescu;even in terms of... not... pouring gasoline on own head and lighting it. twice. 926164;1416195942;decimation;https://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2014/11/msg00133.html << lol, this kind of bellyaching over.. systemd? 926165;1416196349;thestringpuller;doesn't surprise me after discussions here... 926166;1416196361;decimation;"Everyone is conservative about what he knows best. " << Conquest's first law of politics 926167;1416196671;mircea_popescu;decimation one of the most interesting aspects of systemd is the irrationality of the proponents. it's almost as if you're discussing theology with the flat earth society or geophysics with the global warming cult of washington dc. 926168;1416196696;mircea_popescu;technologically it's about as notable as windows notepad, but sociologically... wow, ze goldmine. 926169;1416196765;mircea_popescu;"Today, now, before the results are announced, we have an opportunity to extend compassion and empathy and remind ourselves of the spirit in which we'd like to work together." << lmao fuck that. 926170;1416196782;mircea_popescu;who wants to work in an environment of "compassion" ? what are these people, retards ? 926171;1416196804;decimation;yeah, if anything this is a loud bell ringing to anyone 'sane': "these people are crazy, now's the time to exit!" 926172;1416196813;mircea_popescu;"I'm hoping that we can all take a few minutes to gain empathy for those who disagree with us." << derping about "empathy" -> straight to the uranium mines. 926173;1416196834;mircea_popescu;"Then I'm hoping we can use that understanding to 926174;1416196835;mircea_popescu;reassure them that they are valued and respected and their concerns 926175;1416196835;mircea_popescu;considered even when we end up strongly disagreeing with them or valuing 926176;1416196835;mircea_popescu;different things." 926177;1416196841;mircea_popescu;i mewan look at that hollow, empty bullshit. 926178;1416196852;mircea_popescu;"oh, so you want to wear pants ? fuck you, you're wearing a skirt. 926179;1416196859;mircea_popescu;aaaaaaaaaaaaand, you're valued and respected. bitch." 926180;1416196889;mircea_popescu;this is the ultimate theft, these people are trying to introduce into the world. they wish to steal not merely the farmer's cow, 926181;1416196897;mircea_popescu;but to also steal the farmer's "having being stolen from" 926182;1416196913;mircea_popescu;to steal a concept, what a riotous approach. 926183;1416196933;decimation;I don't think any future historian will fail to notice the parallels between this and usg's way of doing business 926184;1416196977;mircea_popescu;who is this fuckface ayway ? 926185;1416197015;mircea_popescu;the kerberos guy ? uh. 926186;1416197093;mircea_popescu;i dunno if i'm the only one privy to the history of that protocol ? 926187;1416197105;mircea_popescu;perhaps an instructive case study as to how usg protocol confiscation works in the field. 926188;1416197192;decimation;I think kerberos came from mit right? 926189;1416197203;decimation;sam hartman is some developer I guess, but somehow has 'influence' 926190;1416197257;mircea_popescu;decimation kerberos was developed by mit in the 80s. a gutted export version was created. as the usg was going to (again) change its export restriction in 2000, 926191;1416197267;mircea_popescu;the gutted thing was reimplemented by some nordic country university 926192;1416197287;mircea_popescu;then a few years later windows migrated to "kerberos" as its primary security protocol 926193;1416197288;decimation;it's still a nightmare to deploy to this day, for sure 926194;1416197295;decimation;indeed it did 926195;1416197309;mircea_popescu;sam hartman is a 30something nobody, roughly speaking a debian gmaxwell 926196;1416197313;mircea_popescu;except he's not fat, he's blind. 926197;1416197335;decimation;in fact one of the supposed prime 'benefits' of redhat enterprise is that it can 'hook up to' a windows active directory server which acts as an ldap/krb ticket server 926198;1416197368;mircea_popescu;myeah. 926199;1416197387;mircea_popescu;im completely unclear as to why the fuck usg wants the "one computer system" so badly anyway. 926200;1416197399;thestringpuller;;;isup qntra.net 926201;1416197400;gribble;qntra.net is down 926202;1416197421;thestringpuller;;;isup trilema.com 926203;1416197422;gribble;trilema.com is down 926204;1416197452;decimation;mircea_popescu: the simplest answer is probably because usg is full of hartmans and gmaxwells 926205;1416197495;thestringpuller;decimation: what about jgarzik's? 926206;1416197521;mircea_popescu;thestringpuller myeah. bbs. 926207;1416197723;decimation;well, considering usg employs 4 million people, I suspect there is at least one of each http://www.opm.gov/policy-data-oversight/data-analysis-documentation/federal-employment-reports/historical-tables/total-government-employment-since-1962/ 926208;1416197768;mircea_popescu;fuckign to-feeling arguments in THE MOTHERFUCKING DEBIAN LISTS. 926209;1416197783;mircea_popescu;there's nothing to save here. just burn the entire stack where it stands an' that's that. 926210;1416197822;joecool;apt-get purge feelings 926211;1416197868;mircea_popescu;no but srsly, that letter is an exact summary of everything that's wrong with the english language space. 926212;1416197892;mircea_popescu;There isn't a right answer. As Russ has explained a number of times in the TC, on debian-vote and on his blog, this is about tradeoffs. I'm sure some people will be happy if the project's values are aligned with theirs. When they take that as far as saying the project made the "right decision" or rejected "bad options," they are not valuing the contributions of those who disagreed with them. 926213;1416197900;mircea_popescu;i mean check it out. "there's no wrong thing" now. 926214;1416197913;mircea_popescu;the point of discussion is not to discover the wrong alternatives, or the right alternatives. 926215;1416197919;mircea_popescu;the point of discussion is to suck each other off 926216;1416197939;mircea_popescu;and then driveby's have the unmitigated audacity to discuss #b-a cult-ness. how do you like that! 926217;1416197969;mircea_popescu;five fucking centuries of european intellectual heritate, which is the exactly ONLY reason the US even exists in the first place, down the drain. "We wanna be africans now. Hold hands." 926218;1416197991;mircea_popescu;let's fucking "value each other's" banana peels and sing koombaya. 926219;1416198021;*;mats_cd03 sings softly 926220;1416198090;*;thestringpuller joins in singing 926221;1416198105;mircea_popescu;anyway, seems to me clear teh usg-debian believes it got the votes 926222;1416198115;mircea_popescu;someone should make a bitbet about it, i'd throw a few cents. 926223;1416198120;asciilifeform;insult to perfectly adequate monkeys, who fight and occasionally settle matters in their monkey bands 926224;1416198141;mats_cd03;!up Vexual 926225;1416198159;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform yeah well, at some point im gotta have to insult some unfortunate bystanding trashbag or something, or else collapse into A = A circularity. 926226;1416198163;mats_cd03;poor guy. cut outta the fold after bein' a regular for... what was it, a year plus? 926227;1416198165;mircea_popescu;"boy that sam h sounds just like a sam h" 926228;1416198165;asciilifeform;lol 926229;1416198176;mats_cd03;gotta loosen up on the mad ravings my good man 926230;1416198242;asciilifeform;debian compassion << cthonian horrors of the eldritch depths. 926231;1416198259;thestringpuller;sometimes the ravings of a madman is wisdom, other times just noise. 926232;1416198292;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform have you ever seen something this idiotic ? 926233;1416198301;decimation;it is a neat little experiment in 'infinite democracy' 926234;1416198303;mircea_popescu;i mean, the "other speeds more important to us" thing is nowhere near. 926235;1416198308;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: only mr. spam comes close 926236;1416198322;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: actually this connects to the thread from earlier today re: patterns of speech. 926237;1416198445;thestringpuller;;;seen cazalla 926238;1416198445;gribble;cazalla was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 4 hours, 46 minutes, and 55 seconds ago: i guess ddos is back :\ 926239;1416198523;asciilifeform;kerberos << among the many deliberately complex edifices of the u.s. department of wintel. 926240;1416198534;asciilifeform;a 'mouse farm' (in the sense of my article 'don't blame the mice') 926241;1416198632;asciilifeform;of course, anyone with even a spitting familiarity with software crud world knows that lizard hitler does not need to order these into existence - they happen naturally 926242;1416198638;asciilifeform;if you simply gather enough filth in one place 926243;1416198640;asciilifeform;and let it go 926244;1416198669;thestringpuller;My University uses Kerberos everywhere for logging in. 926245;1416198762;asciilifeform;compare with, e.g., 'gribble auth' 926246;1416198824;asciilifeform;a sausage and a turd are rather different, even if both cylindrical and both given shape by a piece of gut 926247;1416198897;mircea_popescu;lol nice one. 926248;1416198914;mircea_popescu;but anyway, it's not just "gather enough filth in one place" 926249;1416198920;mircea_popescu;it's moreover "make cleanning illegal" 926250;1416198929;asciilifeform;well yes, how else will it stay gathered. 926251;1416198956;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: they wish to steal not merely the farmer's cow, but to also steal the farmer's "having being stolen from" << usg (and the 'enlightenment') in one sentence. 926252;1416198965;mircea_popescu;pretty much 926253;1416198985;mircea_popescu;they figure they thus improved on the soviets, 926254;1416198999;asciilifeform;'we rape you but wait we didn't because you are not a you, one cannot rape furniture' 926255;1416199003;mircea_popescu;which merely took the cow, and the voice under duress 926256;1416199026;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform think about how the cock felt!11 926257;1416199038;asciilifeform;l0l! 926258;1416199045;mircea_popescu;if you were a cock - which you obviously are not bwahhhaha i need a minute here lmao - if you were a cock 926259;1416199052;mircea_popescu;wouldn't you want some tight ass too ? so then ? 926260;1416199076;decimation;'we voted and this is the best course of action' 926261;1416199081;mircea_popescu;"have some empathy for the people who want to take a shit on the collected effort of the people you happen to respect! they're people too!" 926262;1416199099;mircea_popescu;except this'd be th every definition of not being people. if they were people they'd do something else for a living. 926263;1416199116;asciilifeform;we may not like the cancer cell, but it 'works'. debian - dead. 926264;1416199137;asciilifeform;resquiat in pace. 926265;1416199186;decimation;do something else < which is why debian is now dead, as ascii wrote 926266;1416199198;decimation;redhat is going down the same tube, in the long run 926267;1416199206;asciilifeform;the cancer will spread to wherever it can 926268;1416199217;asciilifeform;doesn't need an objective, or a plan 926269;1416199251;mircea_popescu;THEM. not fucking me jesus christ. 926270;1416199266;mircea_popescu;when some kid is annoying you don't pick up and leave, you punch him in the nose. 926271;1416199337;asciilifeform;obligatory: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=28-07-2014#774690 926272;1416199337;assbot;Logged on 28-07-2014 19:19:31; asciilifeform: 'Learn not to participate - to the point of utter impossibility of meeting the enemy 'half-way' - and you will see that inside there lay a very useful mindfuck: in learning to 'nonparticipate,' in fact you drew out your *will* from its scabbard - to which it seemed so securely riveted by your upbringing. The appearance of *your will* changes everything and forever. With your own will slipped into your 926273;1416199337;nubbins`;but with debian dead, where do i turn 926274;1416199387;mircea_popescu;i propose in this case "not participation" is punching some blind twerp right in the face. 926275;1416199430;asciilifeform;if folks understood 'do not meet the enemy halfway' we would never have even heard of systemd. 926276;1416199451;asciilifeform;as such, you have to surgically remove its metastases even from a fresh 'gentoo' 926277;1416199463;asciilifeform;and if you forget to flip a switch - there it will be, staring right in your face 926278;1416199533;nubbins`;o.O osx comes with a python script that merges pdf files 926279;1416199551;decimation;lol I thought 'preview' did that 926280;1416199560;nubbins`;yeah, but you gotta do it one at a time that way 926281;1416199572;nubbins`;here i say join.py -o merged.pdf *.pdf 926282;1416199654;asciilifeform;!s teaching the controversy 926283;1416199655;assbot;1 results for 'teaching the controversy' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=teaching+the+controversy 926284;1416199672;nubbins`;and by the time i explain why this is better, i've got an 800mb merged.pdf waiting for me 926285;1416199680;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-09-2014#827667 http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-09-2014#827668 926286;1416199680;assbot;Logged on 12-09-2014 16:47:05; asciilifeform: once you've been 'taught the controversy' - that is, convincing that there -even is- reasonable debate among informed people, on a particular subject - the lie becomes a kind of half-truth, automagically 926287;1416199680;assbot;Logged on 12-09-2014 16:47:19; asciilifeform: because suddenly, there is (or you think there is) a debate. with 'sides.' 926288;1416199703;asciilifeform;^ re: how the cancer rolls. 926289;1416199733;asciilifeform;what's more, this follows inescapably from any situation, anywhere, where someone gets to 'score nonzero points' merely for showing up. 926290;1416199794;asciilifeform;all you have to do, then, is to pile on the meat puppets, until suddenly there is a 'controversy', and there are 'points of view', and eventually - a 'consensus.' 926291;1416199879;mircea_popescu;top - 23:51:11 up 15 min, 2 users, load average: 5153.36, 3287.44, 1431.04 926292;1416199881;mircea_popescu;lel. 926293;1416199886;mircea_popescu;anyone ever seen better ? 926294;1416199886;nubbins`;dat load 926295;1416200017;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform in fairness, there's a lot of value to teaching the controversy. 926296;1416200027;mircea_popescu;it just has to be a controversy between actual people. 926297;1416200043;asciilifeform;the phrase is a term of art from u.s. propaganda schools. 926298;1416200074;asciilifeform;being the first step of a recipe for convincing folks of something that would otherwise be readily apparent as lunacy 926299;1416200078;mircea_popescu;it is, true. 926300;1416200121;asciilifeform;see also, related, 'fear, uncertainty, and doubt.' 926301;1416200122;mircea_popescu;i have this baby in bathwater obsession, myself. "teaching the controversy" is just americanized, which is to say, "cut into bits and rubbed in shit" hegelian dialectics. 926302;1416200139;asciilifeform;well yes. 926303;1416200149;decimation;proto-marxism? 926304;1416200266;mircea_popescu;ymmv, but to my eyes it's perfectly good science. 926305;1416200273;mircea_popescu;(hegel's, that is) 926306;1416200284;thestringpuller;;;isup qntra.net 926307;1416200287;gribble;qntra.net is down 926308;1416200294;nubbins`;ooo i shouldn't have used the wifi connection to send this print job 926309;1416200294;asciilifeform;at the very least, perfectly good chumpatronic engineering. 926310;1416200303;nubbins`;;/ 926311;1416200311;nubbins`;why! 926312;1416200433;nubbins`;actually there we go, wasn't so bad 926313;1416200666;thestringpuller;nubbins`: can you pm me tracking number again? 926314;1416200727;RagnarDanneskjol;;;later tell ben_vulpes thanks. i did think that through...all those i had in mind casually follow things here but not enough to be rated/active - http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=09-11-2014#915367 926315;1416200727;assbot;Logged on 09-11-2014 04:36:17; RagnarDanneskjol: I need to round up the troops and do some crash coursing in wot, etc first 926316;1416200727;gribble;The operation succeeded. 926317;1416200771;asciilifeform;RagnarDanneskjol: quite a few people, i think, underestimated the effort involved 926318;1416200783;RagnarDanneskjol;indeed 926319;1416200789;asciilifeform;can't say i didn't warn. 926320;1416200811;*;asciilifeform has studied the turd, on and off, for quite some time 926321;1416200912;thestringpuller;one day I will make a book of your turdisms asciilifeform 926322;1416200926;thestringpuller;or maybe a comic strip... 926323;1416200939;asciilifeform;make comic of bitcoind 926324;1416200952;asciilifeform;(the real one, not the cthonian horror) 926325;1416200972;asciilifeform;in the style of larry gonick, i dare say 926326;1416200972;thestringpuller;but that isn't a turd! 926327;1416202362;mircea_popescu;lol 926328;1416202364;mircea_popescu;!up cascadian_herper 926329;1416202384;cascadian_herper;danke 926330;1416202414;cascadian_herper;ragnardanneskjol: whats the best time to plant a tree? 926331;1416202426;nubbins`;-1.5.tar.gz 926332;1416202429;nubbins`;oops 926333;1416202460;thestringpuller;the best time to plant a tree is never, because they all die anyways 926334;1416202514;mircea_popescu;"I really hope that folks who value user choice will be willing to work with those who are trying to introduce improved ways of doing things regardless of what we decide." <<< and there's the giveaway. 926335;1416202522;cascadian_herper;well shit just give up then 926336;1416202526;mircea_popescu;not really easy, doing this sort of thing. 926337;1416202563;decimation;the river of meat has spoken 926338;1416202644;cascadian_herper;ragnardanneskjol: i want to work with the hep cats who see wot+bitcoin and are struck speechless with their importance who then hie to the gpg-machine for registration 926339;1416202671;cascadian_herper;not troops who must be rounded 926340;1416202842;RagnarDanneskjol;most people are struck once they take the time to learn it. its a damn figure of speech -as in contacting all those I know who are squarely qualified to do this work AND meet said expectations 926341;1416202903;RagnarDanneskjol;I have plenty of other things to do if you dont any help 926342;1416202912;RagnarDanneskjol;dont want* 926343;1416202950;thestringpuller;"I like the blockchain just not bitcoin itself is like saying I like pussy but not women themselves" 926344;1416203094;RagnarDanneskjol;!up cascadian_herper 926345;1416203144;cascadian_herper;merely illuminating parameters. 926346;1416203153;RagnarDanneskjol;understood 926347;1416203272;cascadian_herper;this web client is wholly inadequate 926348;1416203289;RagnarDanneskjol;which you using? 926349;1416203296;cascadian_herper;kiwi 926350;1416203337;RagnarDanneskjol;ahh. if you're on andro, andchat and halo are decent 926351;1416203342;cascadian_herper;not really motivated to irc on phnoe 926352;1416203525;mats_cd03;is nice reading material when pooping 926353;1416203590;TheNewDeal;best material wipes as well 926354;1416203646;mats_cd03;anyone keeping a running count of known USG coins? 926355;1416203686;mats_cd03;i vaguely recall smth in the neighborhood of 400k 926356;1416203702;TheNewDeal;M_infinity ? 926357;1416203721;TheNewDeal;or like, could carry in large knapsack? 926358;1416203738;mats_cd03;er, bitcoins 926359;1416203960;mats_cd03;via confiscations and what not 926360;1416203991;TheNewDeal;;;totalbc 926361;1416203991;gribble;13509425.0 926362;1416204029;TheNewDeal;;;interval 10000 926363;1416204029;gribble;(interval takes no arguments) -- Shows average interval, in seconds, between last 1000 blocks. 926364;1416204092;TheNewDeal;;;halfreward 926365;1416204093;gribble;Estimated time of bitcoin block reward halving: Sun Jul 31 15:21:25 2016 UTC | Time remaining: 1 year, 36 weeks, 5 days, 9 hours, 20 minutes, and 0 seconds. 926366;1416204350;TheNewDeal;;;8ball 926367;1416204351;gribble;It is so. 926368;1416204386;mircea_popescu; "I like the blockchain just not bitcoin itself is like saying I like pussy but not women themselves" << more like "i like round things but not circles, because this difference exists" 926369;1416204639;mircea_popescu;mats_cd03 they're about 100k under, atm. 926370;1416204671;mircea_popescu;and their last toe support got squeezed to fuck in s.mpoe, so there's going to be a reckoning next week or something like that. 926371;1416204835;mats_cd03;ok thanks 926372;1416206315;thestringpuller;!mpif 926373;1416206315;assbot;BtcAlpha.com F.MPIF Tracker estimated NAV per share: 0.00021747 B (Total: 475.57 B). Delta: 0.56 B. Last trade for F.MPIF on MPEX was at 0.000195 BTC [-] 926374;1416206331;thestringpuller;$depth f.mpif 926375;1416206331;empyex;thestringpuller: [F.MPIF] Bids: 7125 @ 0.00019500 30000 @ 0.00019100 7636 @ 0.00019000 100000 @ 0.00018500 926376;1416206332;empyex;thestringpuller: [F.MPIF] Asks: 99 @ 0.00021900 2000 @ 0.00021910 17100 @ 0.00022000 10000 @ 0.00022000 926377;1416206757;thestringpuller;;;ls 926378;1416206757;gribble;What do you think I am, a shell? 926379;1416206793;kakobrekla;demo test: http://qntra.net/2014/11/this-onion-it-smells-inherent-hazards-of-the-tor-network/ 926380;1416206794;assbot;This Onion, It Smells: Inherent Hazards of the Tor Network | Qntra.net ( http://dpaste.com/28ADNN6.txt ) 926381;1416206800;kakobrekla;see link. 926382;1416206851;mircea_popescu;dpaste got no html mode ? 926383;1416206879;kakobrekla;who has 926384;1416206880;kakobrekla;? 926385;1416206914;mircea_popescu;http://pastebin.com/ < syntax highlight 926386;1416206923;mircea_popescu;http://dpaste.com/ < idem 926387;1416206934;*;kakobrekla wont use non-raw 926388;1416207050;kakobrekla;makes my brain hurt 926389;1416207096;thestringpuller;links2 mode 926390;1416207125;kakobrekla;anyway how is this better http://pastebin.com/Xq8c3EeM 926391;1416207327;kakobrekla;looking at this, we can notice qntra has two tags, only one