817749;1409530904;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform lol the end of days. 817750;1409530910;mircea_popescu;so meta. 817751;1409532142;BingoBoingo;Oh ben_vulpes nice'd up the Van-Ads preview 817752;1409532795;cazalla;first day of spring and it rains 817753;1409533085;asciilifeform;;;later tell hanbot your blog comment box is broken. always 'error: must enter name and address' 817754;1409533086;gribble;The operation succeeded. 817755;1409533190;asciilifeform;;;later tell hanbot here's my comment - http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=aX5yprfH 817756;1409533191;gribble;The operation succeeded. 817757;1409533543;dignork;http://www.imf.org/external/pubs/ft/fandd/2014/09/blanchard.htm 817758;1409533543;assbot;Where Danger Lurks -- Finance & Development, September 2014 817759;1409533590;dignork;It ends with: "The main policy lesson is a simple one: Stay away from dark corners." 817760;1409534950;mod6;%tslb 817761;1409534951;atcbot;Time Since Last ATC Block: 1 hour(s), 23 minutes 817762;1409535283;BingoBoingo;%v 817763;1409535285;atcbot;[X-BT VWAP] Bid: 175 Ask: 221 Last Price: 175 30d-Vol: 1.61M 30d-High: 250 30d-Low: 170 30d-VWAP: 197 817764;1409537268;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4400 @ 0.00085663 = 3.7692 BTC [+] {2} 817765;1409537678;mircea_popescu;dignork i take the fact that Olivier Blanchard fucktard writes that whole piece without including the string "Taleb" as a personal insult. 817766;1409537690;mircea_popescu;guy needs to go die in a fire, this world is not for him and his putrid ilk. 817767;1409537715;[]bot;Bet created: "PPC >= .003 BTC in 2014" http://bitbet.us/bet/1037/ 817768;1409537791;mircea_popescu;the way that thing must read is "we, including myself personally, and the institution i work for - the imf - are a collection of contemptioble idiots with wholy unsupported delusions of cultural relevance and scientific rigour. fortunately for the world nassim taleb has been saying this for a long time ; unfortunately for the world we thought we knew better, like any clueless two bit scammer on an infamous web forum" 817769;1409537802;mircea_popescu;that's the fucking intro. not whatever derpitude he comes up with. 817770;1409537856;BingoBoingo;August could have been worse http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/2014/08/31/august-atc-results/ 817771;1409538080;penguirker;New blog post: http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/2014/08/31/august-atc-results/ 817772;1409538098;Apocalyptic;I suspect September would be worse though, since trading activity seems to be directly correlated with the mining pace 817773;1409538144;BingoBoingo;Maybe? 817774;1409538151;The20YearIRCloud;Anyone know offhand the median div return rate of mpoe? 817775;1409538169;[]bot;Bet created: "Bitcoin price range November over $200" http://bitbet.us/bet/1038/ 817776;1409538915;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3000 @ 0.00085841 = 2.5752 BTC [+] {2} 817777;1409539159;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3800 @ 0.00085629 = 3.2539 BTC [-] 817778;1409539633;nubbins`;;;view 21351 817779;1409539636;gribble;#21351 Mon Aug 25 19:39:07 2014 nubbins` SELL 1.0 'What is Bitcoin?' silkscreened art print @ 35 USD (18x24", 5-color silkscreen on white Cougar acid-free paper, limited edition of 50, pre-order price only, shipping week of August 31, https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=756955.0) 817780;1409539645;nubbins`;about to post pictures of finished print, now's your chance to get one cheap 817781;1409539853;mircea_popescu;nubbins` i like what you're doing with the documenting the process. 817782;1409539868;nubbins`;i don't take enough process pics, it's nice :D 817783;1409539889;nubbins`;srsly find myself sitting next to a pile of completed posters, drooling over photos of same 817784;1409539889;mircea_popescu;yeah. 817785;1409539894;mircea_popescu;exactly what the internet is for 817786;1409539903;mircea_popescu;we're stocked up on opining and whatnot. 817787;1409539926;nubbins`;the time for action is here! 817788;1409539994;nubbins`;..is now! 817789;1409541928;nubbins`;https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=756955.msg8618397#msg8618397 817790;1409541928;assbot;[PRE-ORDER] "What is Bitcoin?" silkscreened posters [8/50 left] 817791;1409541975;The20YearIRCloud;cool 817792;1409541991;nubbins`;mircea_popescu TheNewDeal kakobrekla railzand Blazedout419 artifexd thestringpuller The20YearIRCloud etc :D 817793;1409542062;ben_vulpes;sleeping bag looks like a chrysalis standing in as a smiley face, the eyes for which are the flowers 817794;1409542067;The20YearIRCloud;great thread 817795;1409542091;artifexd;Very nice. Looking forward to putting that on my wall. 817796;1409542184;kakobrekla;I asked what cops were in charge of the Internet. 817797;1409542184;kakobrekla;"Damned if I know," Roy said. "But here's our policy, from here out: anyone 817798;1409542184;kakobrekla;that's attacked, we tell them. I don't care if the hacker didn't get in, you call 817799;1409542184;kakobrekla;them on the phone and tell them. Remember, keep this out of electronic mail. And 817800;1409542184;TheNewDeal;Nice nubbins`. Wasnt that leaked earlier tonight 817801;1409542185;kakobrekla;find out who the cops are." 817802;1409542220;The20YearIRCloud;what's the assbot command to get user trust? 817803;1409542340;nubbins`;TheNewDeal pics of the last color perhaps 817804;1409542366;nubbins`;ben_vulpes: nice catch, the entire bottom half of the poster was originally going to be a huge smiling monster 817805;1409542387;nubbins`;staring upwards into imagination land 8) 817806;1409542415;ben_vulpes;good drugs, eh? 817807;1409542428;nubbins`;the best 817808;1409542731;ben_vulpes;oh god form validation 817809;1409542744;ben_vulpes;my mind is reeling with permutations 817810;1409544771;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14100 @ 0.00085629 = 12.0737 BTC [-] 817811;1409544862;penguirker;New blog post: http://www.bcoinnews.com/final-chapter-dogecoin/ 817812;1409545381;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10850 @ 0.00085574 = 9.2848 BTC [-] {2} 817813;1409546406;BingoBoingo;%d 817814;1409546407;atcbot;[ATC Diff] Current Diff: 1878190.93 Est. Next Diff: 268321.56 in 1544 blocks (#46368) Est. % Change: -85.71 817815;1409547610;BingoBoingo;%P 817816;1409547613;atcbot;No data returned from CoinMiner.net 817817;1409547613;atcbot;[PityThePool Hashrate]: 613.89 GH/s [iSpace Pool Hashrate]: 1.58 TH/s 817818;1409547631;BingoBoingo;%ob 817819;1409547632;atcbot;16k@250 2k@245 43k@221 | 80k@175 15k@170 125k@165 817820;1409549630;Vexual;i'd like #42 if unsold nubbins` 817821;1409549811;Vexual;;;calc 50-8 817822;1409549811;gribble;42 817823;1409551542;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7500 @ 0.00085804 = 6.4353 BTC [+] {2} 817824;1409552335;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2100 @ 0.00085561 = 1.7968 BTC [-] 817825;1409552945;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11300 @ 0.00085485 = 9.6598 BTC [-] {4} 817826;1409553985;punkman;https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=744110.msg8619626#msg8619626 817827;1409553986;assbot;Peatio - an open source cryptocurrency exchange project 817828;1409554183;Vexual;lol 817829;1409554329;punkman;;;ticker 817830;1409554330;gribble;Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 476.11, Best ask: 476.31, Bid-ask spread: 0.20000, Last trade: 476.31, 24 hour volume: 11459.53947361, 24 hour low: 472.54, 24 hour high: 496.92, 24 hour vwap: 482.756530696 817831;1409554518;BingoBoingo;;;ticker --market all 817832;1409554524;gribble;Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 476.42, vol: 11470.52465385 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 475.3, vol: 41781.01841 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 475.89, vol: 15743.19189504 | CampBX BTCUSD last: 500.01, vol: 22.36067498 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 474.773243, vol: 19167.71490000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 490.01, vol: 5.71157374 | Bitcoin-Central BTCUSD last: 492.5625, vol: 85.31855095 | Volume-weighted last average: (1 more message) 817833;1409554576;Vexual;b. If a loophole/vulnerability was reported by more than one person, we would only consider the earliest one to be eligible. <> http://pipeline.corante.com/archives/2014/06/05/friendly_welcoming_triazides_no_really.php 817851;1409559511;Vexual;cocaine soaked cobras are organic 817852;1409559542;BingoBoingo;So are Triazides... 817853;1409559591;Vexual;oh 817854;1409559637;BingoBoingo;That Wikipedia article drolly notes that "In its most characteristic reaction, the solid decomposes explosively", and because it's a silver salt, that decomposition can be set off by foolhardy behavior like shining a strong light on it. >> http://pipeline.corante.com/archives/2014/06/16/your_metal_azide_worries_are_over.php 817855;1409559638;assbot;Your Metal Azide Worries Are Over. In the Pipeline: 817856;1409559745;BingoBoingo;"I note that the experimental section of this paper not only recommends the leather coats that earlier workers in the field have used, but gives suppliers in Berlin and Cologne. And earplugs. And face shields. And helmets. And Kevlar gloves. If scientific meetings were more like fantasy cons, people would be dressing up like this to win prizes." 817857;1409560387;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18500 @ 0.00085449 = 15.8081 BTC [-] {2} 817858;1409560416;Vexual;neato 817859;1409560562;Vexual;I pariticularly like this line" Personally, my metal azide requirements are minimal, and very easily satisfied. I can get all I need by looking at a structure drawn on a whiteboard from about twenty feet away, thanks" 817860;1409560669;BingoBoingo;lol 817861;1409560814;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7700 @ 0.00085986 = 6.6209 BTC [+] {2} 817862;1409561729;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3799 @ 0.00086027 = 3.2682 BTC [+] 817863;1409562684;[]bot;Bet placed: 1 BTC for No on "BTC over $800 before October" http://bitbet.us/bet/1012/ Odds: 12(Y):88(N) by coin, 16(Y):84(N) by weight. Total bet: 3.46 BTC. Current weight: 34,182. 817864;1409563254;jurov;"Hexacontaazabuckminsterfullerene" lol what some people dream of 817865;1409564018;punkman;http://invisionhousing.com/ 817866;1409564718;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 1028 @ 0.00055065 = 0.5661 BTC [-] {7} 817867;1409566548;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22500 @ 0.00085539 = 19.2463 BTC [-] {2} 817868;1409566850;mircea_popescu;!up gipbkt 817869;1409566975;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7900 @ 0.00085543 = 6.7579 BTC [+] 817870;1409567649;Vexual;jurov: chemical nomenclature is sexy, it can be so right and a little bit wrong 817871;1409568866;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16400 @ 0.00085597 = 14.0379 BTC [+] {2} 817872;1409569110;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4000 @ 0.00085682 = 3.4273 BTC [+] 817873;1409569233;Vexual;descibing physics on that scale is a human constuct in itself 817874;1409569266;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo that chemist guy is pretty cool. 817875;1409570563;xmj;;;gettrust xmj bounce 817876;1409570565;gribble;WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user xmj to user bounce: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=xmj&dest=bounce | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=bounce | Rated since: Thu Dec 26 20:47:11 2013 817877;1409570967;mircea_popescu;;;ticker 817878;1409570968;gribble;Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 483.16, Best ask: 483.34, Bid-ask spread: 0.18000, Last trade: 483.16, 24 hour volume: 11648.26161040, 24 hour low: 472.54, 24 hour high: 495.0, 24 hour vwap: 480.893572756 817879;1409573250;penguirker;New blog post: http://trilema.com/2014/bitbet-sbbet-august-2014-statement/ 817880;1409573380;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1231 @ 0.00085696 = 1.0549 BTC [+] 817881;1409573758;Vexual;vanity rego approved on my pusher 817882;1409573993;[]bot;Bet placed: 11 BTC for No on "BTC worth over $5000 before 2015" http://bitbet.us/bet/716/ Odds: 10(Y):90(N) by coin, 14(Y):86(N) by weight. Total bet: 57.26359775 BTC. Current weight: 29,485. 817883;1409574038;mircea_popescu;!up aabtc 817884;1409574966;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4135 @ 0.00085386 = 3.5307 BTC [-] 817885;1409576277;victorecho;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ixfchZ1s47Q 817886;1409576277;assbot;Ice-T - I'm Your Pusher (with Lyrics) - YouTube 817887;1409576646;*;RagnarDanneskjol enjoys working extra long hours today because fukcing commies http://www.popularresistance.org/the-true-story-of-labor-day-debunking-the-myth/ 817888;1409576647;assbot;The True Story Of Labor Day: Debunking The Myth | PopularResistance.Org 817889;1409576744;punkman;labor day? that's in fucking may 817890;1409576849;RagnarDanneskjol;nope 817891;1409576856;RagnarDanneskjol;read 817892;1409577112;punkman;I prefer the pagan interpretation of may day anyway 817893;1409577153;xmj;hitler's labor day is in may 817894;1409577157;xmj;and stalin's 817895;1409577167;RagnarDanneskjol;sure, the pole dancing and whatnot 817896;1409577200;nubbins`;Vexual 1-50 are taken, 51-100 are for sale :) 817897;1409577210;Vexual;https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eureka_Rebellion 817898;1409577222;Vexual;damn u fentanol i wanted 42 817899;1409577230;nubbins`;who didn't?! 817900;1409577255;nubbins`;anyway, yeah, The20YearIRCloud gets the first 50 817901;1409577349;Vexual;should known nubbins art was worth preordering 817902;1409577360;*;nubbins` nods sagely 817903;1409577384;nubbins`;could snag ya 84, 42x2 ;D 817904;1409577462;nubbins`;punkman:labor day? that's in fucking may << what? it's today 817905;1409577477;*;nubbins` gestures towards clock, feet up on table 817906;1409577506;Vexual;ill take 0 if you atsrted at 1 817907;1409577557;nubbins`;;;rated punkman 817908;1409577558;gribble;You have not yet rated user punkman 817909;1409577566;nubbins`;;;rate punkman 1 small trade 817910;1409577567;gribble;Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user punkman has been recorded. 817911;1409577574;nubbins`;no 0 :( 817912;1409577615;punkman;I've also wondered why there's no 0 817913;1409577668;Vexual;art vs science 817914;1409577711;Vexual;are they numbered? 817915;1409577802;nubbins`;yes 817916;1409577811;Vexual;pencil 42/∞ and ill buy it 817917;1409577816;Vexual;lol 817918;1409577825;nubbins`;69, 77, 88, 99, 100 are taken 817919;1409577834;nubbins`;everything else from 51-98 is available 817920;1409577853;Vexual;100 only? 817921;1409577857;nubbins`;i generally don't entertain requests for specific numbers because it's a logistical nightmare, but since you're you... 817922;1409577860;nubbins`;nod, 817923;1409577875;Vexual;well howd u sell 69? 817924;1409577886;nubbins`;some asshole convinced me to reserve it :D 817925;1409577914;Vexual;where im from you pay extra for a number 817926;1409577923;nubbins`;that's a good idea 817927;1409577933;Vexual;not mine 817928;1409578017;Vexual;it's a 42 kinda poster, i was expecting an orange b in a circle 817929;1409578078;*;nubbins` shakes head 817930;1409578083;Vexual;nod 817931;1409578090;nubbins`;you want orange Bs and diagrams of networked computers, you go to reddit 817932;1409578091;mircea_popescu;jurov http://trilema.com/2014/bitbet-sbbet-august-2014-statement/#comment-107288 817933;1409578092;assbot;BitBet (S.BBET) August 2014 Statement pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. 817934;1409578111;nubbins`;probably find some sweet posters w/ erik voorhees quotes too 817935;1409578124;nubbins`;you want a pink eye poster, though... different story 817936;1409578144;mircea_popescu;"For many years, I accepted this myth, even while marching with my union comrades in the annual Labor Day Parades in Wilmington, California." 817937;1409578151;mircea_popescu;ahahaha for crying out loud. 817938;1409578199;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 5 @ 0.24402 = 1.2201 BTC [-] {3} 817939;1409578239;jurov;mircea_popescu: yes, it's 2.65151023 . but report says 2.651510232 817940;1409578255;jurov;;;calc 2.651510232 - 2.65151023 817941;1409578255;gribble;2.00000016548e-09 817942;1409578288;mircea_popescu;oh. 817943;1409578292;mircea_popescu;so spurious 9th decimal ? 817944;1409578309;mircea_popescu;i misread what you said sorry. 817945;1409578322;punkman;why does gribble say 2.0 817946;1409578337;mircea_popescu;punkman binary. 817947;1409578428;Vexual;don't ask it for hex 817948;1409578447;punkman;oic 817949;1409578460;punkman;fukken numbers 817950;1409578543;nubbins`;hmm 817951;1409578556;Vexual;? 817952;1409578564;nubbins`;a penny to whomever finds me a source (preferably canadian) of 24" T20 super-actinic fluorescent tubes 817953;1409578608;Vexual;ive got some special leds if youre breeding cyclids 817954;1409578658;nubbins`;i'm breeding photosensitive emulsion :/ 817955;1409578676;Vexual;hmm 817956;1409578692;mircea_popescu;did your light break ? 817957;1409578756;nubbins`;nope, but our exposure unit currently uses cool white bulbs 817958;1409578765;nubbins`;takes 15-20 minutes to expose a screen 817959;1409578771;nubbins`;with super actinics, maybe 60-90 seconds 817960;1409578772;Vexual;pet shop will have em 817961;1409578790;nubbins`;nod. went to a local aquarium shop. i think the guy suspected i was trying to grow weed, he wouldn't order the bulbs for me 817962;1409578802;RagnarDanneskjol;haha 817963;1409578807;Vexual;were you ripped? 817964;1409578810;nubbins`;nah 817965;1409578815;nubbins`;i do look like a dirtbag tho 817966;1409578822;Vexual;nod 817967;1409578829;nubbins`;but i even explained what they were for! 817968;1409578844;mircea_popescu;this silly nonsense "shopkeeper wouldn't order merchandise for me" for chryssakes. 817969;1409578845;nubbins`;he says "yup.. yup.. uh huh.. no need to pay for them now.. we'll call you when they arrive.." 817970;1409578849;nubbins`;so, fuck him 817971;1409578854;nubbins`;someone else gets my $200 817972;1409578857;mircea_popescu;what's he there for, is it a money making entreprise or a social club ? 817973;1409578862;Vexual;yeah i buy 19 guage needles for stuff, i dont even bother ecplaining 817974;1409578866;nubbins`;hahahah 817975;1409578877;nubbins`;"i pierce clits" 817976;1409578881;nubbins`;"16ga is too big" 817977;1409578885;mircea_popescu;i mean i can see refusing credit to the dirtbag looking guy. 817978;1409578887;Vexual;small 817979;1409578893;nubbins`;mp i had cash in hand! 817980;1409578898;mircea_popescu;but if he got money ? what sorta bs is this! fucking offensive socialistoid crapolade. 817981;1409578919;nubbins`;anyway, i found these: http://www.bigalspets.ca/420nm-reef-wave-t5-ho-fluorescent-lamp-24-w-24.html 817982;1409578938;nubbins`;current bulbs are 20w tho, better check the tag on the machine 817983;1409578977;mircea_popescu;the balance needs to fucking change. currently they close down shops if they force the employees into slavery, if they defraud customers, and if they fail to turn away usg undesirables. 817984;1409578982;Vexual;chinese are making some nice 20k leds 817985;1409578998;mircea_popescu;it needs to be exactly the opposite : close down the shop if they fail to force the employees into slavery, if they defraud customers or if they turn away usg undesirables. 817986;1409579035;nubbins`;the more usg undesirables you turn away, the more bulbs i want to buy from you 817987;1409579142;mircea_popescu;aand the peso is over 14. 817988;1409579216;Vexual;my phramacist doest care if my horse is on heroin, at 80c a pop, it's half profit 817989;1409579267;mircea_popescu;http://trilema.com/2012/o-problema-stinjenitoare-sau-despre-intoleranta-vorbita/ << check out the lolpic. 817990;1409579268;assbot;O problema stinjenitoare sau despre intoleranta vorbita pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. 817991;1409579293;Vexual;which ones bingo? 817992;1409579359;nubbins`;heh 817993;1409579363;Vexual;recent pic? 817994;1409579503;mircea_popescu;!up rdekley 817995;1409579621;RagnarDanneskjol;!up RagnarsBitch 817996;1409579797;mircea_popescu;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PN7s1Uh8rhc lmao 817997;1409579797;assbot;Pros and cons of axes compared to swords - YouTube 817998;1409580035;Vexual;sword is a bitch for banging in a tent peg 817999;1409580117;mircea_popescu;sword is a bastard not a bitch. 818000;1409580133;Vexual;yeah 818001;1409580160;chetty;sexist 818002;1409580187;Vexual;no, hes right 818003;1409580546;Vexual;aim for the quiff 818004;1409580939;Vexual;a gentleman should know hoe to swing an ax 818005;1409580980;Vexual;but not necissarilary a sword 818006;1409581019;Vexual;times have changed 818007;1409581284;Vexual;you're far more likely t pick up a big jump of fuck in a fight than a nice stick 818008;1409581328;Vexual;unless you happen to be sweeping with a high nd broom 818009;1409581409;Vexual;and then youre better off with newtons 2nd 818010;1409581458;nubbins`;okay, so apparently this exposure unit accepts 60W bulbs 818011;1409581461;nubbins`;here's me with 20W 818012;1409581639;Vexual;time is not important? 818013;1409581699;Vexual;or is it? you'll have to be trice as accurate 818014;1409581785;Vexual;or is it all binary in nature? 818015;1409581819;Vexual;exposed or not 818016;1409581825;nubbins`;time is crucial 818017;1409581832;nubbins`;underexposed == bad time 818018;1409581840;Vexual;hmm 818019;1409581881;nubbins`;we use a dichromate-based emulsion that cross-links under UV exposure. incomplete cross-linking means (a) emulsion breaks down on long runs with water-based ink, and (b) emulsion reacts with emulsion remover, creating permanent bond 818020;1409581909;nubbins`;generally whenever you change emulsion/lights, you have to pull out the test strips and recalibrate your times 818021;1409581922;Vexual;why not use the sun? 818022;1409581932;nubbins`;not sunny enough here. 818023;1409581937;nubbins`;california, everybody uses the sun 818024;1409581944;Vexual;ah 818025;1409581951;nubbins`;hold your screen to the sky for 2 minutes 818026;1409581985;Vexual;yeah well the suns off here now 818027;1409581988;nubbins`;but, suppose it's raining, the evening, etc 818028;1409581989;nubbins`;ya 818029;1409582103;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8665 @ 0.00085386 = 7.3987 BTC [-] 818030;1409582129;nubbins`;3/4hp uses how many watts at 115v? 818031;1409582164;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1494 @ 0.00085255 = 1.2737 BTC [-] 818032;1409582165;nubbins`;wait now, those are both units of power, v is irrelevant 818033;1409582190;Vexual;kw>hp 818034;1409582332;kakobrekla;ahh ignore, i missed you. 818035;1409582366;Vexual;orb ignore all 818036;1409582411;*;Vexual whatever 818037;1409582660;Vexual;orb pump btce 818038;1409582674;*;Vexual insufficient funds 818039;1409583628;jurov;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iMIzMVABFxQ hearn has worries 818040;1409583628;assbot;Mike Hearn on the fragility of bitcoin - YouTube 818041;1409583868;Vexual;adaption? 818042;1409583914;Vexual;tribute? 818043;1409584384;Vexual;;;google skateboard pete 818044;1409584385;gribble;Pharrell Williams - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: ; Urban Dictionary: Skateboard P: ; Skateboard Pete | Facebook: 818045;1409584720;mircea_popescu;im not clicking on that, i'd rather watch boxxy 818046;1409584745;Vexual;bwahaha 818047;1409584753;mircea_popescu;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yavx9yxTrsw 818048;1409584753;assbot;FOAR EVERYWUN FRUM BOXXY - YouTube 818049;1409584771;Vexual;for the earth was formless.. 818050;1409584874;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15800 @ 0.00085454 = 13.5017 BTC [+] {2} 818051;1409585057;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6800 @ 0.00085255 = 5.7973 BTC [-] 818052;1409585285;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes hey, suppose i have http://bitbet.us//media/images/ads/mpex-468x60.png how do i feed this into ben-ads again ? 818053;1409585437;jurov;last it was discussed van supported only text? 818054;1409586115;jurov;also, only bitbet has 468x60 , other venues have different sizes 818055;1409586399;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16800 @ 0.00085554 = 14.3731 BTC [+] 818056;1409586814;mircea_popescu;the idea is for it to make an ad out of adv supplied creatives. 818057;1409586982;Vexual;an ad in abox? hmm 818058;1409587049;jurov;you want to include the logo? 818059;1409587084;Vexual;optimum 818060;1409587192;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] [PAID] 12.04037436 BTC to 1`149`988 shares, 1047 satoshi per share 818061;1409587375;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] [PAID] 23.03311140 BTC to 15`210 shares, 151434 satoshi per share 818062;1409587437;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 130 @ 0.00980595 = 1.2748 BTC [-] {2} 818063;1409587497;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] [PAID] 1.39430070 BTC to 15`210 shares, 9167 satoshi per share 818064;1409587619;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 120 @ 0.01888402 = 2.2661 BTC [-] 818065;1409588412;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 824 @ 0.00060999 = 0.5026 BTC [+] {6} 818066;1409588901;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9349 @ 0.00085235 = 7.9686 BTC [-] {2} 818067;1409588961;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 62 @ 0.00983547 = 0.6098 BTC [-] {5} 818068;1409589004;ben_vulpes;mircea_popescu: been working on image uploads this weekend, should be live soon 818069;1409589008;ben_vulpes;2 weeks, etc 818070;1409589998;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7269 @ 0.00085148 = 6.1894 BTC [-] {2} 818071;1409590755;ben_vulpes; "Easy to handle" compared to what? Cocaine-soaked cobras? << "crater bait" 818072;1409591791;jurov;ben_vulpes: how do you handle the various dimesnions? user has to make them all, i guess? 818073;1409591820;jurov;and, may i ask you to support svg? 818074;1409592127;ben_vulpes;svg's a pretty good idea. 818075;1409592138;ben_vulpes;let me bounce this off you and see what you think 818076;1409592247;ben_vulpes;account page will now show ads that advertisers have created, and allow them to run those ads on a specific venue. ad size will have to match venue size. 818077;1409592320;jurov;yes 818078;1409592389;ben_vulpes;but that's going to have to wait for after the image stuff gets wired in. 818079;1409592600;[]bot;Bet placed: 1 BTC for No on "Bitcoin to drop under $400 before October" http://bitbet.us/bet/1029/ Odds: 21(Y):79(N) by coin, 20(Y):80(N) by weight. Total bet: 11.03650001 BTC. Current weight: 66,053. 818080;1409592602;[]bot;Bet placed: 2 BTC for No on "Bitcoin to drop under $400 before October" http://bitbet.us/bet/1029/ Odds: 21(Y):79(N) by coin, 20(Y):80(N) by weight. Total bet: 11.03650001 BTC. Current weight: 66,053. 818081;1409592705;ben_vulpes;^^ race conditions? 818082;1409593089;ben_vulpes;although jurov if i use svg that implies animations too 818083;1409593133;ben_vulpes;and oh the cross browser horrors that implies 818084;1409593175;jurov;guess you'd have to parse the svg to check for animations.. and cross-browser stuff is responsibility of the buyer 818085;1409593221;ben_vulpes;yeah i can disallow animations. 818086;1409593232;ben_vulpes;a max size constraint will also be a good idea 818087;1409593245;jurov;similar as for gifs (or you won't support them altogether?) 818088;1409593348;ben_vulpes;no plans to, no. 818089;1409593658;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 1387 @ 0.00060999 = 0.8461 BTC [+] {3} 818090;1409593703;ben_vulpes;https://twitter.com/SwiftOnSecurity 818091;1409593705;assbot;InfoSec Taylor Swift (SwiftOnSecurity) auf Twitter 818092;1409594817;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 79 @ 0.00965 = 0.7624 BTC [-] 818093;1409595061;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 800 @ 0.00063998 = 0.512 BTC [+] {2} 818094;1409595096;X-Rob;thanks, mircea_popescu! 818095;1409596708;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 4 @ 0.236 = 0.944 BTC [-] 818096;1409596952;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9289 @ 0.00085465 = 7.9388 BTC [-] 818097;1409597203;mircea_popescu;yee. 818098;1409597247;mircea_popescu; svg's a pretty good idea. << very yes. 818099;1409597272;ben_vulpes;i actually want to rip the png stuff out right this instant 818100;1409597293;mircea_popescu;lol manage. 818101;1409597295;ben_vulpes;but user uploads is higher priority 818102;1409597303;mircea_popescu; ^^ race conditions? << looks like two separate bets 818103;1409597315;ben_vulpes;mircea_popescu: total bet's the same 818104;1409597346;mircea_popescu;well inasmuch as the bot has a delay.. 818105;1409597357;mircea_popescu;i guess that technically is a race condition of sorts 818106;1409597463;mircea_popescu;http://bitbet.us/bet/866/bitcoin-over-1000-before-september/ << lawl at this thang. 818107;1409597464;assbot;BitBet - Bitcoin over $1000 before September :: 6.47 B (8%) on Yes, 70.34 B (92%) on No | closed 5 days 18 hours ago 818108;1409598183;artifexd;Both bets happened at the exact same time. This is not an uncommon occurrence since bets occur at block confirmations. 818109;1409598252;artifexd;Since in each case the post bet numbers are the same, the bot reports them as such. 818110;1409598473;mircea_popescu;a ok, 818111;1409598483;mircea_popescu;makes sense, the total pool would be updated once per block. 818112;1409598700;fluffypony;;;seen colinistheman 818113;1409598700;gribble;colinistheman was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 7 weeks, 5 days, 0 hours, 21 minutes, and 23 seconds ago: if I feel adventurous in setting up all this stuff later I'll be back. g'day! 818114;1409598708;fluffypony;lol 818115;1409598723;fluffypony;well now that I actually want to buy a new knife he's not around 818116;1409598723;fluffypony;sigh 818117;1409598743;mircea_popescu;peeps will learn. 818118;1409599440;jurov;!mpif 818119;1409599441;assbot;BtcAlpha.com F.MPIF Tracker estimated NAV per share: 0.00021650 B (Total: 473.44 B). Delta: -1.08 B. Last trade for F.MPIF on MPEX was at 0.00022 BTC [+] 818120;1409599449;jurov;!t m f.mpif 818121;1409599450;assbot;[MPEX:F.MPIF] 1D: 0 / 0 / 0 (0 shares, 0 BTC), 7D: / / ( shares, BTC), 30D: 0.00021999 / 0.00021999 / 0.00022 (3400 shares, 0.75 BTC) 818122;1409599513;jurov;i'll be profitable at last 818123;1409599880;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 1055 @ 0.00064021 = 0.6754 BTC [+] {4} 818124;1409600961;penguirker;New blog post: http://explo.yt/post/2014/09/01/F.MPIF-August-2014-trading-statement 818125;1409600962;penguirker;New blog post: http://contravex.com/2014/09/01/all-the-kings-horses-and-all-the-kings-men-cant-stop-a-social-engineering-attack/ 818126;1409600978;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1000 @ 0.00085465 = 0.8547 BTC [-] 818127;1409601893;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4455 @ 0.00085445 = 3.8066 BTC [-] {2} 818128;1409602625;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14846 @ 0.00085385 = 12.6763 BTC [-] 818129;1409602834;mike_c;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-08-2014#799897 << stopped working? 818130;1409602835;assbot;Logged on 18-08-2014 06:17:24; ben_vulpes: ;;later tell mike_c http://van-ads.com/login/KEYID/raw 818131;1409602972;mike_c;also, i logged in. it worked for two pages and now i'm logged out. 818132;1409602999;kakobrekla;you shant press logoff 818133;1409603016;mike_c;i don't even need to. 818134;1409603019;mike_c;super-secure 818135;1409603026;kakobrekla;:D 818136;1409603058;kakobrekla;speaking of securitah, just finsihed the cuckoos egg. cool read 818137;1409603169;punkman;https://twitter.com/VictoriaJustice/status/506197183742222336 818138;1409603171;assbot;These so called nudes of me are FAKE people. Let me nip this in the bud right now. *pun intended* 818139;1409603339;mike_c;.. ok, raw link does work. pebkac. (being logged off was real though) 818140;1409603479;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9500 @ 0.00084953 = 8.0705 BTC [-] {2} 818141;1409603540;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 910 @ 0.00065787 = 0.5987 BTC [-] 818142;1409603797;mircea_popescu;hey, mike_c just the guy i wanted to see. 818143;1409603823;mike_c;that's why i'm here. see and be seen. 818144;1409603860;mircea_popescu;punkman "Victoria Justice" is a name now ? 818145;1409603864;mircea_popescu;what of, a dog ? 818146;1409603887;mircea_popescu;o don't fucking tell me. it's a singer-songwriter innit. 818147;1409603918;punkman;prolly 818148;1409603940;mircea_popescu;born 93. holy shit they could be my daughters by now ;/ 818149;1409603966;punkman;http://imgur.com/a/VTjZO 818150;1409603967;assbot;Victoria Justice Leaked - Imgur 818151;1409604048;punkman;http://i.imgur.com/TwjROZN.png 818152;1409604156;mircea_popescu;lol hacker known as 4chan 818153;1409604201;mircea_popescu;http://imgur.com/a/xkWae better imo. 818154;1409604203;assbot;Kerry Katona via CelebStash - Imgur 818155;1409604260;mircea_popescu;lmao @idiot. yeah, totally fake, someone really derps around making multiple fake shots of her stupid mug with her tongue out the same exact way 818156;1409604279;mircea_popescu;because this is being so like courageous and risque and errything. totally tongue out dude! 818157;1409604539;mircea_popescu;so in conclusion, Ariana Grande and this chick http://imgur.com/Mbsh524 are kinda cute. 818158;1409604539;assbot;www.reddit.com/r/celebritynudearchive - Imgur 818159;1409604569;mircea_popescu;"In 2013, Grande rose to prominence after the release of her debut studio album, Yours Truly, which debuted at number one on the U.S. Billboard 200. The albums lead single, "The Way", became a top ten hit on the Billboard Hot 100 with critics comparing her wide vocal range to Mariah Carey." 818160;1409604582;mircea_popescu;dude the shit i'm missing out on. the us billboard STILL EXISTS ?! 818161;1409604591;mircea_popescu;next im gonna hear mtv is still hosting yo mtv raps. 818162;1409604688;punkman;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9piRiiZ0C4Q 818163;1409604689;assbot;Maria Callas "Mon coeur s'ouvre a ta voix " - YouTube 818164;1409604699;mircea_popescu;“Jen is horrified over this leak and knows that this will possibly effect her upcoming roles,” a source tells HollywoodLife.com EXCLUSIVELY. 818165;1409604704;mircea_popescu;a source can't speal. 818166;1409604723;mircea_popescu;http://hollywoodlife.com/2014/09/01/victoria-justice-nude-photos-scandal-reaction-denial/ << pretty fucking lulzy coindesk thing. 818167;1409604723;assbot;Victoria Justice Nude Photos: The Nickelodeon Star’s Reaction To The Scandal - Hollywood Life 818168;1409604957;eightyeight;anyone here using bitmessage? 818169;1409605004;gernika;eightyeight I am 818170;1409605029;eightyeight;i need to expand my bitmessage social circle. :) 818171;1409605041;punkman;is it good? 818172;1409605057;gernika;eightyeight BM-2cVsnhcfNkU1D87u4hy7SfYw3qZ9m7Su55 818173;1409605059;eightyeight;i like it 818174;1409605082;gernika;I helped out with a better BM client: voluntary.net/bitpost 818175;1409605101;punkman;give me a tldr, how does it work 818176;1409605139;eightyeight;punkman: bitmessage? 818177;1409605183;eightyeight;bitmessage is a decentralized peer-to-peer, end-to-end, encrypted messaging system 818178;1409605273;eightyeight;gernika: is bitpost compatible? also, any plans for something other than an os-x only client? 818179;1409605340;gernika;Yes it's compatible. It runs pybitmessage in the background without the qt UI (we made our own UI). Yes there are plans for a cross platform client, but that's a ways off. 818180;1409605353;eightyeight;nice 818181;1409605392;mircea_popescu;!up HoMM 818182;1409605406;HoMM;hey 818183;1409605410;mircea_popescu;os-x only ?! 818184;1409605479;punkman;#b-a testimonials http://bitcoinstats.com/irc/bitcoin-otc/logs/2014/09/01#l1409605286 818185;1409605480;assbot;BitcoinStats 818186;1409605529;eightyeight;when the curses interface for bitmessage gets its bugs worked out, i'll be pretty excited 818187;1409605585;mircea_popescu;it's full of trolls ?! 818188;1409605609;gernika;mircea_popescu yes. The UI dev wanted a lot of control over the UI, and didn't want to build a js ui full of ugly compromises. 818189;1409605641;mircea_popescu;gernika i just didn't realise anyone who's not apple writes for the os-x as a platform. 818190;1409605653;punkman;eightyeight: link to that? 818191;1409605679;eightyeight;to the curses bug? 818192;1409605709;punkman;to the curses app 818193;1409605716;mircea_popescu;"I am certainly up for spending a few hundred dollars here" << we got called trolls by a guy whose budget is three whole figures :D 818194;1409605760;mircea_popescu;o wait, it's ninjashogun. heh nm. 818195;1409605796;gernika;mircea_popescu well the apple app store is full of people who do. Although it's not as popular is windows, the app store can be a good source of revenue as apple users tend to spend more money on apps. 818196;1409605842;ben_vulpes;days of apps as money makers is kinda gone at this point gernika 818197;1409605844;punkman;eightyeight: never mind, found it 818198;1409605847;ben_vulpes;some lotto winners may disagree, but... 818199;1409605854;ben_vulpes;"crapshoot", i think is the term. 818200;1409605855;mircea_popescu;i dunno, judging by the sad state of the ipad games (which i've been reviewing for the past month or so) i doubt much money is spent at all. 818201;1409605863;gernika;ben_vulpes true more and more 818202;1409605868;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes im seeing pretty much that yes. 818203;1409605881;eightyeight;punkman: yeah. sorry. wife sidetracked me. 818204;1409605886;mircea_popescu;the remains of a mining boom, basically. lotta ghost towns and some old whores. 818205;1409605887;eightyeight;yeah. the main app supports it with '-c' 818206;1409605913;mircea_popescu;i guess congrats are in order to apple, they managed to burn it all in five years. 818207;1409605980;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4450 @ 0.0008497 = 3.7812 BTC [+] 818208;1409606034;gernika;I saw an interesting pricing model recently. An app I used allowed me to buy a specific new feature. That's an improvement over, buy once, get free updates forever. 818209;1409606077;mircea_popescu;if they werent' so boneheaded about bitcoin (and porn, for that matter) stuff like that'd have a chance, maybe. 818210;1409606126;punkman;http://community.namecheap.com/blog/2014/09/01/urgent-security-warning-may-affect-internet-users/ 818211;1409606127;assbot;Urgent security warning that may affect all internet users - Namecheap Blog 818212;1409606143;mircea_popescu;o.O 818213;1409606174;mircea_popescu;" that the largest ever quotient of email addresses, usernames and passwords"... ahem. this is not what "quotient" means. 818214;1409606251;ben_vulpes;who even fractions any more 818215;1409606304;ben_vulpes;but hey on the previous topic while all the cheap, easily accessed hydrocarbons have been extracted from the app store stuff, some of us are derping around in the service of large piles of capital, sinking wells here and there. 818216;1409606320;mircea_popescu;stupid use of capital. 818217;1409606337;mircea_popescu;it's like if you owned a small shop, paid rent and then advertised the mall. 818218;1409606346;mircea_popescu;fuck them, let them a) advertise themselves and b) pay you to be there. 818219;1409606358;ben_vulpes;well a practical example 818220;1409606376;ben_vulpes;say a stadium would rather commission a mobile thinger than print oodles of shiny paper for every game 818221;1409606402;ben_vulpes;not the worst deployment of capital in the world. they're not chasing lotto returns or anything. 818222;1409606423;ben_vulpes;plus the odd revenue stream can come out of a piece of software like that: user data, better advertising opportunities... 818223;1409606430;mircea_popescu;i guess. 818224;1409606432;ben_vulpes;mind you though this whole thing only makes sense in the insanitorum 818225;1409606434;mircea_popescu;i was never a stadium. 818226;1409606459;ben_vulpes;where even the poverty stricken have 3 inches of pixels on which to advertise... 818227;1409606460;mircea_popescu;but i kinda thought those are mostly run like charities 818228;1409606491;ben_vulpes;and on the flipside, i'm talking another client out of his mobile things. 818229;1409606514;ben_vulpes;> charities, yeah, and we all know how they allocate capital. 818230;1409606519;ben_vulpes;i'm just a turbine in the breeze 818231;1409606521;ben_vulpes;capital flows by 818232;1409606530;*;ben_vulpes spins 818233;1409606543;mircea_popescu;spin baby spin 818234;1409606738;mircea_popescu;http://bitcoin-otc.com/viewratingdetail.php?nick=ninjashogun << holy shit, all negatives ? this has to be a first. 818235;1409606738;assbot;Rating Details for User 'ninjashogun' 818236;1409606764;punkman;no no it's all fake 818237;1409606816;mircea_popescu;lol. is fake what fucktarded 90 yo births call things that humiliate them out of left field ? 818238;1409606842;mircea_popescu;"this reality does not have my authorisation to exist" => "fake!" 818239;1409606856;punkman;look, you just don't get startups 818240;1409606857;ben_vulpes;the confirmations from outside -assets are neat too 818241;1409606863;punkman;ninjashogun is a brilliant ceo 818242;1409606865;ben_vulpes;shartups 818243;1409608322;mircea_popescu;There was a young fellow of Warwick who had reason for feeling euphoric, for he could by election have triune erection: Ionic, Corinthian, and Doric. 818244;1409608330;The20YearIRCloud;can i get money if i'm on a US IP? 818245;1409608359;mircea_popescu;you can prolly get food stamps... 818246;1409608481;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9754 @ 0.00085299 = 8.3201 BTC [+] 818247;1409609396;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7850 @ 0.00085613 = 6.7206 BTC [+] 818248;1409612202;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4285 @ 0.00085683 = 3.6715 BTC [+] {2} 818249;1409614458;hanbot;asciilifeform ty for the note, looks like last time i "fixed" something i borkt instead. commenting should work fine nao! 818250;1409615731;BingoBoingo;The other Satoshi's work http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_slatest/2014/09/01/japan_urges_stockpiling_of_toilet_paper.html 818251;1409615731;assbot;Japan urges stockpiling of toilet paper. 818252;1409615743;BingoBoingo;Well... other, other satoshi 818253;1409616045;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1485 @ 0.00085376 = 1.2678 BTC [-] 818254;1409616288;hanbot;"A family of four should be able to survive for a month on a six-roll pack, priced at 460 yen ($4.40) and with a five-year expiration date, said Satoshi Kurosaki" 818255;1409616298;hanbot;...five years, at which point what, it evaporates? 818256;1409616339;BingoBoingo;That's a good question. 818257;1409616412;cazalla;pay to wipe your own ass? gee, pocket a roll or 2 from work each day 818258;1409616485;Apocalyptic;cazalla, if you can't afford toilet paper you're doing something wrong 818259;1409616503;assbot;Last 5 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/2RAMG6W.txt ) 818260;1409616503;BingoBoingo;!b 5 818261;1409616532;BingoBoingo;What's wrong with a bidet? 818262;1409616549;cazalla;Apocalyptic, it's not a matter of affording it but if you're gonna steal pens, you may as well take something of value and pop a few rolls in ya backpack 818263;1409616804;BingoBoingo;http://www.postandcourier.com/article/20130709/PC16/130709464/1177/lawyer-charleston-man-denies-connection-to-dea-bitcoin-seizure-and-illicit-silk-road-drug-marketplace 818264;1409616805;assbot;Lawyer: Charleston man denies connection to DEA Bitcoin seizure and illicit Silk Road drug marketplace - Post and Courier 818265;1409618241;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13350 @ 0.0008497 = 11.3435 BTC [-] 818266;1409619035;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23650 @ 0.0008533 = 20.1805 BTC [+] 818267;1409620717;BingoBoingo;lulz http://bitcoinstats.com/irc/bitcoin-dev/logs/2014/09/01#l1409593111 818268;1409620718;assbot;BitcoinStats 818269;1409620925;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18112 @ 0.00085284 = 15.4466 BTC [-] {2} 818270;1409620961;thestringpuller;what is so lulz? 818271;1409620986;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3917 @ 0.00084906 = 3.3258 BTC [-] {3} 818272;1409621176;BingoBoingo;Hearn being all butthurt 818273;1409621301;penguirker;New blog post: http://www.bcoinnews.com/1btcxe-trading-challenge-crypto-capital/ 818274;1409621523;Apocalyptic;"Security exploits: 0.1 BTC" // this is plainly ridiculous 818275;1409621596;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18900 @ 0.00084823 = 16.0315 BTC [-] {3} 818276;1409621818;nubbins`;"this just leaked: a clothed picture of sasha grey" 818277;1409621904;hanbot;Apocalyptic perhaps the reward amount is an indication of the volume of exploits anticipated :D 818278;1409621982;Apocalyptic;heh, may well be 818279;1409622102;asciilifeform;http://amzn.com/354045277X << mega-lol 818280;1409622104;assbot;Chemical Shifts and Coupling Constants for Silicon-29 (Landolt-Barnstein: Numerical Data and Functional Relationshi): R. R. Gupta, M. D. Lechner, Heinrich Marsmann, Bozhana Mikhova, Frank Uhlig: 9783540452775: Amazon.com: Books 818281;1409622184;thestringpuller;BingoBoingo: which one is hearn? 818282;1409622239;BingoBoingo;thestringpuller: The white dude who looks like they worked at Google. 818283;1409622325;asciilifeform;http://cryptome.org/2014/09/hal-finney-cpunks-1992.htm << interesting from historical standpoint 818284;1409622397;asciilifeform;;;later tell mircea_popescu neato. 818285;1409622398;gribble;The operation succeeded. 818286;1409622816;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5398 @ 0.00084757 = 4.5752 BTC [-] {2} 818287;1409622827;asciilifeform;re: iPnohe brute force incident << i suppose none of the folks involved remember the days when people lifted 'shadow' file and bruteforced to their heart's delight 818288;1409623265;asciilifeform;ninjashogun (ninjashogun) << lol! 818289;1409623365;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 134 @ 0.01041233 = 1.3953 BTC [+] {4} 818290;1409623646;asciilifeform;https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=4185078 << moar lol 818291;1409623646;assbot;SEEKING work as your Technical Project Manager.I am a technical project manage... | Hacker News 818292;1409623648;asciilifeform;(him.) 818293;1409623691;asciilifeform;(or the decaying spammer corpse he adopted identity of.) 818294;1409624115;kakobrekla;O_o 818295;1409624648;BingoBoingo;OMFG http://build.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=5614371&cid=47802389 818296;1409624649;assbot;Raspberry Pi Gets a Brand New Browser - Slashdot 818297;1409624695;asciilifeform;snore. 818298;1409624787;asciilifeform;what part of that was the interesting one ? 818299;1409624996;BingoBoingo;Just how much it sounds like Hearn's recent discussions on Bitcoin Fragility 818300;1409625107;BingoBoingo;That the solution to Problems is more problems 818301;1409625114;BingoBoingo;But different problems 818302;1409626120;dignork;openbazaar published alpha tests of their platform. Looks interesting on paper. Shows seller gpg private key in raw contract, on the buyer side. Facepalm^2 818303;1409626408;assbot;Last 1 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/2BP9PQS.txt ) 818304;1409626408;BingoBoingo;!b 1 818305;1409626478;midnightmagic;:-o 818306;1409630014;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9150 @ 0.00085046 = 7.7817 BTC [+] 818307;1409630138;BingoBoingo;!t m s.mpoe 818308;1409630139;assbot;[MPEX:S.MPOE] 1D: 0.00084756 / 0.00085421 / 0.00086027 (467060 shares, 398.97 BTC), 7D: 0.00068235 / 0.00081238 / 0.00086605 (3598330 shares, 2,923.23 BTC), 30D: 0.00062821 / 0.00076569 / 0.00094217 (17293769 shares, 13,241.73 BTC) 818309;1409635199;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3738 @ 0.00085349 = 3.1903 BTC [+] 818310;1409637334;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21100 @ 0.00085279 = 17.9939 BTC [-] 818311;1409639591;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5100 @ 0.0008511 = 4.3406 BTC [-] 818312;1409640445;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 80 @ 0.22050499 = 17.6404 BTC [-] {15} 818313;1409642482;penguirker;New blog post: http://thewhet.net/2014/line-betting-on-bitbet-august-2014/ 818314;1409643551;mircea_popescu;;;ticker 818315;1409643553;gribble;Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 473.37, Best ask: 475.49, Bid-ask spread: 2.12000, Last trade: 473.37, 24 hour volume: 7944.20342684, 24 hour low: 471.0, 24 hour high: 490.0, 24 hour vwap: 479.686229978 818316;1409643670;mircea_popescu;;;later tell mike_c lemme know when you're on 818317;1409643671;gribble;The operation succeeded. 818318;1409643765;mircea_popescu;There was a young girl from Hong Kong who said "It is shameful and wrong to say my vagina is the largest in China on account of your short little dong." 818319;1409644593;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.2125 = 0.6375 BTC [-] {3} 818320;1409646362;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 20 @ 0.2116 = 4.232 BTC [-] {3} 818321;1409646843;mircea_popescu;;;rated ninjashogun 818322;1409646843;gribble;You have not yet rated user ninjashogun 818323;1409646906;mircea_popescu;;;rate ninjashogun -1 One of the hellspawn of postmodernity, trying to earn a living out of substituting form for substance. Death is too good a fate, not o mention too substantial. 818324;1409646907;gribble;Rating entry successful. Your rating of -1 for user ninjashogun has been recorded. 818325;1409647504;BingoBoingo;Sick burn there. I imagine Obama just about has to give ninjashogun a medal tomorrow for drawing such a rating. 818326;1409647524;RagnarDanneskjol;yes, quite a wistful, lovely negrate 818327;1409649152;punkman;short log day 818328;1409649204;RagnarDanneskjol;yup. 818329;1409649288;punkman;http://daniel.haxx.se/blog/2014/09/02/http2-interop-pains/ 818330;1409649288;assbot;daniel.haxx.se » HTTP/2 interop pains 818331;1409649351;RagnarDanneskjol;interesting 818332;1409649368;punkman;"let's make everyone use chrome" 818333;1409649374;punkman;even has an app store 818334;1409649390;RagnarDanneskjol;ha 818335;1409650022;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [ROCK] 5200 @ 0.00055035 = 2.8618 BTC [-] {8} 818336;1409650083;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 5 @ 0.21299999 = 1.065 BTC [+] 818337;1409650385;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo RagnarDanneskjol i wasn't gonna say anything, but as romanian expression goes, "prostul daca nu-i fudul parca nu e prost destul". 818338;1409650393;mircea_popescu;dude just can't shut up about how stupid he is. 818339;1409650434;bounce;youse kids already know the content: http://www.caseyresearch.com/cdd/whether-you-love-or-hate-it-youre-missing-what-really-matters-about-bitcoin 818340;1409650435;assbot;Whether You Love It or Hate It, Youre Missing What Really Matters About Bitcoin | Casey Research 818341;1409650456;mircea_popescu;bounce your site ? 818342;1409650561;bounce;nope 818343;1409650571;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 5 @ 0.21299999 = 1.065 BTC [+] 818344;1409650681;mircea_popescu;"Paul Rosenberg Editor, A Free-Man’s Take" 818345;1409650705;mircea_popescu;there's never going to be an end of this "derp dude trying to position himself out of topeka" is there. 818346;1409650783;BingoBoingo;Never, infinite hitpoints 818347;1409650872;mircea_popescu;the infinite hitpoints thing is becoming such a problem i honestly don't see how actual physical testing of the infinity in question will be avoidable on the mid term. 818348;1409650896;*;kuzetsa levels up at ass 818349;1409650923;mircea_popescu;kinda why chicago is still crimetown while ny is a copacetic copy of leningrad : unlike the yanks, fucking illinoisians wouldn't yield on their infinite hitpoints. 818350;1409650994;kuzetsa;I don't understand the reference about hitpoints... is there like a roleplaying game involving alternate universe cities or something? where they have hitpoints and other stats? 818351;1409651005;mircea_popescu;;;google the story of pointless and witless 818352;1409651006;gribble;The story of Pointless and Witless pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea ...: ; BIPS, Payment Service Provider (PSP) for Merchants - Bitcoin Forum: ; Smash reviews The Hobbit: Desolation of Smaug (very minor spoilers ...: (1 more message) 818353;1409651013;BingoBoingo;Definitely a problem up state. 818354;1409651050;kuzetsa;oh, it's on trilema? I didn't know you wrote fanfic. neat. 818355;1409651069;mircea_popescu;dignork: openbazaar published alpha tests of their platform. Looks interesting on paper. Shows seller gpg private key in raw contract, on the buyer side. Facepalm^2 <<< such great things come out of "the community". 818356;1409651083;mircea_popescu;kuzetsa i rarely do and this ain't it ? 818357;1409651142;mircea_popescu;i think the largest fanfic bit i ever wrote was a complete re-write of de sade, except done properly by someone who can actually write. sadly, in romanian. other bits and pieces in the same vein i guess. some poetry, rewritten, because oa can't write. 818358;1409651204;kuzetsa;I dunno, it looks like woodchipper fanfic to me 818359;1409651219;kuzetsa;though I don't understand fanfic well enough to know if woodchipper is even a real fandom 818360;1409651238;mircea_popescu;to be fanfic it needs a canon. what is the canon here ? 818361;1409651269;kuzetsa;you tried canons in woodchippers too? those probably have infinite hitpoints by woodchipper standards 818362;1409651274;mircea_popescu;hanbot: "A family of four should be able to survive for a month on a six-roll pack, priced at 460 yen ($4.40) and with a five-year expiration date, said Satoshi Kurosaki" <<< i guess they don't do the entire tping the house of people they don't like in japan. 818363;1409651311;mircea_popescu;kuzetsa to be a cocksucker one needs there be a cock ; to be fanfic there needs to be a canon, otherwise it's just fiction writing. 818364;1409651330;kuzetsa;no, that's not how that works 818365;1409651341;kuzetsa;can totally be a cocksucker without cocks around 818366;1409651350;mircea_popescu;in... your... dreamz. 818367;1409651354;kuzetsa;you don't stop being one just because you can't get any 818368;1409651369;mircea_popescu;it doesn't have to be "around" but it has to be. 818369;1409651415;mircea_popescu;Apocalyptic: "Security exploits: 0.1 BTC" // this is plainly ridiculous << i lolled :D 818370;1409651438;kuzetsa;well I don't understand fiction very well either, so the idea of fanfic VS fiction writing isn't something that makes a lot of sense 818371;1409651473;kuzetsa;... therefore, I stand corrected or whatever. 818372;1409651491;kuzetsa;I think that's what you were trying to explain, was that I said the wrong word and it's not fanfic? 818373;1409651509;kuzetsa;not sure where the cocks came into the discussion though O_O 818374;1409651524;mircea_popescu;it's assets, cocks tend to come into the discussion of their own accord. 818375;1409651537;kuzetsa;k 818376;1409651614;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform: ninjashogun (ninjashogun) << lol! << if you google that, you get one other hit : a 3 month old yc discussion. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=7812540 818377;1409651614;assbot;I've flagged this as well, for your argumentative style, specifically that you w... | Hacker News 818378;1409651618;mircea_popescu;it goes in the usual manner. 818379;1409651761;mircea_popescu;basically the problem here is this : penicilnecks, that is to say people who could not support their own existence with their own means (hence the fragile neck reference - needs support) can either be techs or politicos. obviously both of these are competence-based fields, and so while reality is a continuum nevertheless we can broadly distinguish the noob tech and the noob politico from the expert tech and the exper p 818380;1409651761;mircea_popescu;olitico respectively. 818381;1409651801;mircea_popescu;now the story here is that while both kinds of tech are actually useful and employable, neither kind of politico is. the expert politico doesn't need to be employed, of course, but that's not doing much for the vast majority of noobs, wanna-bes and untalented hacks populating that field. 818382;1409651840;mircea_popescu;so, learn from the experience of ninjashogun and a dozen or so other nameless, meanwhile forgotten fucktards that were beheaded in this chan : you're not good enough to earn your keep as a politico. not here, not ever. 818383;1409651849;mircea_popescu;forget it, be a shitty tech instead, that's still a living. 818384;1409651867;assbot;Last 9 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/2ZVDXCW.txt ) 818385;1409651867;mircea_popescu;!b 9 818386;1409651875;mircea_popescu;now i have something to link to. 818387;1409651946;mircea_popescu;of course that happens to also be what sunk the us, broadly speaking, but hey. 818388;1409652312;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo: Hearn being all butthurt << yeah it'd prolly be good if whoever links to derpchans (-otc, -dev, reddit, tardstalk, what have you) also provides a good executive summary. i dunno who has the energy to go on fishing expeditions in the sewage. 818389;1409652697;cazalla;that makes the top post on /r/bitcoin a floater? 818390;1409652888;BingoBoingo;Ah 818391;1409653626;BingoBoingo;Woodchipper fanfiction apparently exists already https://www.fanfiction.net/s/8201149/1/Harry-Potter-and-the-Wonderful-Wood-Chipper 818392;1409653627;assbot;Harry Potter and the Wonderful Wood Chipper, a harry potter fanfic | FanFiction 818393;1409654292;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10550 @ 0.00085073 = 8.9752 BTC [-] 818394;1409654540;mircea_popescu;cazalla lol i guess so 818395;1409654576;mircea_popescu;There was a young girl from Hong Kong whose cervical cap was a gong. She said with a yell, as a shot rang her bell, "I'll give you a ding for a dong!" 818396;1409654673;BingoBoingo;More wood chipper fanfic https://www.fanfiction.net/s/5312795/1/wood-chipper 818397;1409654674;assbot;wood chipper, a saw fanfic | FanFiction 818398;1409654698;mircea_popescu;There was a young girl from Peru who had literally nothing to do, so she sat on the stairs and counted cunt hairs : four thousand, three hundred and two. 818399;1409654734;cazalla;i had one for indian candy but she never came back 818400;1409655151;cazalla;http://imgur.com/mw3wr7t erotic for some reason 818401;1409655151;assbot;imgur: the simple image sharer 818402;1409656445;RagnarDanneskjol;there was a fat girl from berlin who had 818403;1409656446;RagnarDanneskjol;a much thinner and prettier twin 818404;1409656446;RagnarDanneskjol;the fat one so jealous, no attention from fellas 818405;1409656447;RagnarDanneskjol;so she learned how to play violin 818406;1409656545;cazalla;who gives a fuck if she plays violin if she can't suck dick 818407;1409656578;cazalla;(drinking) 818408;1409657037;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30556 @ 0.00085115 = 26.0077 BTC [+] {2} 818409;1409657853;BingoBoingo;nail gun accident http://doccartoon.blogspot.com/2014/09/dr-orthochick-nails-in-feet.html 818410;1409657854;assbot;A Cartoon Guide to Becoming a Doctor: Dr. Orthochick: Nails in feet 818411;1409659193;mircea_popescu;<cazalla> i had one for indian candy but she never came back <<< wait for monsoon season ? 818412;1409659210;mircea_popescu;!up mapop 818413;1409659223;mircea_popescu;%p 818414;1409659226;atcbot;No data returned from CoinMiner.net 818415;1409659226;atcbot;[PityThePool Hashrate]: 684.14 GH/s [iSpace Pool Hashrate]: 1.72 TH/s 818416;1409659247;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo is the mining pretty much as advertised ? 818417;1409659344;mircea_popescu;Patient: Oh yeah, we do it all the time. 818418;1409659660;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 3239 @ 0.00063102 = 2.0439 BTC [-] {7} 818419;1409659689;mircea_popescu;no wonder they're using nailguns to do in the finance muppets. 818420;1409659696;mircea_popescu;that's some heavy deniability right there. 818421;1409659847;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: Seems to be as advertised. Better than when it was pointed at Coinminer 818422;1409659859;mircea_popescu;where's it pointed at now ? 818423;1409659986;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: Soloing 818424;1409659992;mircea_popescu;a 818425;1409660121;RagnarDanneskjol;oh. i thought y'all had a p2pool sorted already. so atc pool still could use some help then 818426;1409660148;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3757 @ 0.00085048 = 3.1953 BTC [-] 818427;1409660166;RagnarDanneskjol;what type of pool is pity? 818428;1409660180;BingoBoingo;RagnarDanneskjol: Not yet. 818429;1409660190;BingoBoingo;Pity the pool is a Piece of shit pool 818430;1409660208;RagnarDanneskjol;seems to be mpos 818431;1409660217;BingoBoingo;Non-responsive operator, etc 818432;1409660257;RagnarDanneskjol;yes - same with everyone I had used in the past - mostly MIA 818433;1409660271;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 90 @ 0.20215594 = 18.194 BTC [-] {13} 818434;1409662117;chetty;well mining gets done all by itself, don't ya know 818435;1409662718;BingoBoingo;https://twitter.com/necrosofty/status/506643563690475520 << Blurred face vs. Blurred nipple 818436;1409662719;assbot;The difference between the swiss and american press. quite striking. http://t.co/FJCb82IH5o 818437;1409663196;mircea_popescu;There was a young girl from Peru who noticed her lovers were sparse so she walked out the door in a fig leaf - no more - and now she's in bed with a very sore arse. 818438;1409663240;mircea_popescu;mmm that peru should prolly be Hearse or some shit. 818439;1409663564;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12150 @ 0.00084772 = 10.2998 BTC [-] 818440;1409663690;BingoBoingo;Only for "factory is going to blow up" alarms, then pop the alarm screen. otherwise only blink an icon on the main screen, the operator will see the icon and will press a push button to open alarm screen. >> http://forums.ge-ip.com/showthread.php?t=17267 818441;1409663691;assbot;Alarm popup in cimplicity only for special alarms?. - GE Intelligent Platforms e-Forum 818442;1409664081;penguirker;New blog post: http://trilema.com/2014/mpex-smpoe-august-2014-statement/ 818443;1409664174;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4500 @ 0.00085008 = 3.8254 BTC [+] 818444;1409665882;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15700 @ 0.00085008 = 13.3463 BTC [+] 818445;1409666065;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8000 @ 0.00085008 = 6.8006 BTC [+] 818446;1409666248;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17850 @ 0.00084771 = 15.1316 BTC [-] {2} 818447;1409667266;mircea_popescu;"I'm running cimplicity on windows server 2008." "Only for "factory is going to blow up" alarms" 818448;1409667270;mircea_popescu;god help them. 818449;1409668078;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4157 @ 0.00084717 = 3.5217 BTC [-] 818450;1409668871;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3462 @ 0.00084717 = 2.9329 BTC [-] 818451;1409669098;punkman;look at all that No resolutions on bitbet 818452;1409669185;kakobrekla;https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Bwf1or6CIAA2gmp.jpg:large 818453;1409669376;punkman;is there an easy way to make a transaction with multiple outputs on Electrum? 818454;1409669497;jurov;punkman Tools/Create transaction 818455;1409669544;punkman;is the csv format described somewhere? 818456;1409669560;jurov;just address, amount 818457;1409669565;jurov;one output per line 818458;1409669658;jurov;it will then show the tx for confirmation, so you can try safely 818459;1409670148;kakobrekla;more crazy people 818460;1409670149;kakobrekla;https://www.academia.edu/7925177/PROOF_OF_ACTION 818461;1409670150;assbot;PROOF OF ACTION | Chris Bates - Academia.edu 818462;1409670281;kakobrekla;o fuk bingo had me on the nipple. 818463;1409670283;kakobrekla;amazing 818464;1409670283;assbot;AMAZING COMPANY! 818465;1409670461;RagnarDanneskjol;lol 818466;1409670723;asciilifeform;proof-of-spam. 818467;1409670730;thestringpuller;proof of scam 818468;1409670777;asciilifeform;point of shit 818469;1409670980;asciilifeform;A family of four should be able to survive for a month on a six-roll pack, priced at 460 yen << move to jp, eat tp. 818470;1409671025;jurov;proof of action << devcoin does that, no? 818471;1409672099;[]bot;Bet placed: 1 BTC for No on "Masahiro Tanaka wins more than 15 games " http://bitbet.us/bet/739/ Odds: 19(Y):81(N) by coin, 49(Y):51(N) by weight. Total bet: 1.555 BTC. Current weight: 8,465. 818472;1409672238;kakobrekla;devcoin is sha256 818473;1409672416;asciilifeform;http://www.scribd.com/doc/238355215/Chatlogs-Hyrriiya-and-Sabu << proof of idiocy 818474;1409672417;assbot;Chatlogs: Hyrriiya and Sabu 818475;1409672836;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.2166 = 0.6498 BTC [+] {2} 818476;1409672897;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.21799999 = 0.654 BTC [+] {3} 818477;1409673446;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13384 @ 0.00085123 = 11.3929 BTC [+] 818478;1409673629;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] [PAID] 7.40592272 BTC to 1`149`988 shares, 644 satoshi per share 818479;1409673812;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] [PAID] 1.40896790 BTC to 15`370 shares, 9167 satoshi per share 818480;1409674442;asciilifeform;http://www.princegeorgescountymd.gov/sites/DPIE/Permits/Licenses/LicensingCenter/Documents/DPIE.FortuneTellingLicense_3.6.14.pdf << mega-lol 818481;1409674573;assbot;xanthyos +v failed; L1: 0, L2: 0 818482;1409674579;asciilifeform;!up xanthyos 818483;1409674635;xanthyos;29-08-2014 02:21:27 what's this fresh danielpbarron drama BigBitz ? << My best impression is he is trying to WoT up a bunch of local acquaintances and... old tensions and dramas come forth, but I lack context to interpret severity... << it's a good test case for the aphorism "familiarity breeds contempt" when wot ratings are inversely proportional to how well someone is known 818484;1409674812;BigBitz;mircea_popescu what fresh drama? 818485;1409675093;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.21 = 0.63 BTC [-] 818486;1409676740;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 374 @ 0.004 = 1.496 BTC [+] {2} 818487;1409677594;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5900 @ 0.00084601 = 4.9915 BTC [-] 818488;1409678488;thestringpuller;where is assbot? 818489;1409678589;pankkake;in your ass 818490;1409678968;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17500 @ 0.00084538 = 14.7942 BTC [-] {2} 818491;1409679274;thestringpuller;;;ticker 818492;1409679275;gribble;Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 482.26, Best ask: 482.8, Bid-ask spread: 0.54000, Last trade: 482.8, 24 hour volume: 7362.58687932, 24 hour low: 470.42, 24 hour high: 484.61, 24 hour vwap: 477.605831829 818493;1409679640;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21350 @ 0.00084509 = 18.0427 BTC [-] {2} 818494;1409679799;asciilifeform;http://8btc.com/forum.php?mod=viewthread&tid=767 << china does mircea_popescu 818495;1409679804;assbot;btc7 - / 818496;1409679851;asciilifeform;(found in server logs, where else) 818497;1409679910;*;asciilifeform often finds these, but never sure if anybody gives a damn 818498;1409680033;punkman;asciilifeform: someone should post a few comments 818499;1409680043;punkman;we need some chinese people in the wot 818500;1409680088;asciilifeform;china is imho the one likely candidate for the feat of having own isolated wot and 'getting away with it' long term. 818501;1409680236;nubbins`;^ 818502;1409680249;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16208 @ 0.00084844 = 13.7515 BTC [+] 818503;1409680256;punkman;asciilifeform: can you dig a couple more out the logs? I'll give it a go 818504;1409680309;asciilifeform;punkman: don't have the older finds handy, but i'll take a look at some point 818505;1409680316;punkman;no rush 818506;1409681042;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27700 @ 0.00084496 = 23.4054 BTC [-] {2} 818507;1409681342;thestringpuller;;;later tell ThickAsThieves What are the prospects of a BTC label? I imgaine if you find a good band before they are signed... 818508;1409681343;gribble;The operation succeeded. 818509;1409681455;ben_vulpes;disks for btc 818510;1409681670;thestringpuller;disks for btc 818511;1409684338;[]bot;Bet placed: 2 BTC for No on "Bitcoin to drop under $350 before November" http://bitbet.us/bet/1034/ Odds: 21(Y):79(N) by coin, 22(Y):78(N) by weight. Total bet: 4.28075596 BTC. Current weight: 93,294. 818512;1409684763;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26900 @ 0.00084468 = 22.7219 BTC [-] {3} 818513;1409685251;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21450 @ 0.00084456 = 18.1158 BTC [-] 818514;1409685542;thestringpuller;get da satoshi's ya'll 818515;1409685648;[]bot;Bet placed: 1.95 BTC for No on "Bitcoin to drop under $350 before November" http://bitbet.us/bet/1034/ Odds: 15(Y):85(N) by coin, 15(Y):85(N) by weight. Total bet: 6.23075596 BTC. Current weight: 93,257. 818516;1409686039;kakobrekla;http://christwire.org/2014/08/butt-covers-for-your-cat-and-dog-can-reduce-pet-homosexuality-by-43/ 818517;1409686041;assbot;Butt Covers For Your Cat and Dog Can Reduce Pet Homosexuality by 43% • ChristWire 818518;1409686099;ben_vulpes;such precision 818519;1409686118;mircea_popescu; http://8btc.com/forum.php?mod=viewthread&tid=767 << china does mircea_popescu << what, extradited again ? 818520;1409686120;assbot;btc7 - / 818521;1409686184;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: 'ВмеÑто Ñтатуй будут урны - Революции культурной.' -- vysotsky's song about chicoms 818522;1409686221;mircea_popescu;kakobrekla if it has academia in the url it's respectable! 818523;1409686277;mircea_popescu;holy shit look at that crapolade. "problem statement. i nthe current state of social media interaction blablablabla" 818524;1409686306;asciilifeform;if pumped through 'google translate' - all bets are off 818525;1409686651;mircea_popescu;BigBitz i dunno, you rated him. 818526;1409686685;mircea_popescu; china is imho the one likely candidate for the feat of having own isolated wot and 'getting away with it' long term. << nah, argentina in much better position. 818527;1409686819;mircea_popescu; http://christwire.org/2014/08/butt-covers-for-your-cat-and-dog-can-reduce-pet-homosexuality-by-43/ <<< sheeeit! if only we had known this earlier! fucking cheaper than gay rights, get them a butt hatch. 818528;1409686821;assbot;Butt Covers For Your Cat and Dog Can Reduce Pet Homosexuality by 43% • ChristWire 818529;1409686865;mircea_popescu; mircea_popescu: 'ВмеÑто Ñтатуй будут урны - Революции культурной.' -- vysotsky's song about chicoms <<< dja haet chinese ppls or merely suspicious of anyone with slanty eyes ? 818530;1409687420;mircea_popescu;There was once a girl from St. Cyr whose reflex reactions were queer. Her escort said, "Mable, get up off the table. That money's to pay for the beer." 818531;1409687997;jurov;shoulda tell mom to make me butt cover 818532;1409688342;mircea_popescu;now we know what the jewish skirts are for, 818533;1409688346;mircea_popescu;cockcover. 818534;1409688392;mircea_popescu;http://www.dailykos.com/story/2014/08/17/1322378/-Just-To-Let-You-All-Know << shitty libertard site, but nice pix. 818535;1409688393;assbot;Just To Let You All Know... 818536;1409688436;mircea_popescu;"The winter of 1783-1784. The Revolutionary War had just ended, and Benjamin Franklin was puzzling over the nation's bizarre weather. Congress had been delayed getting to Annapolis to vote for the Treaty of Paris because the Chesapeake Bay just wouldn't melt. The Mississippi River froze down to New Orleans, and ice was reported floating in the Gulf of Mexico." 818537;1409688454;mircea_popescu;apparently nobody gave franklin the memo that said floating icebergs in the gulf of mexico = GLOBAL WARMING. 818538;1409689277;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24451 @ 0.00084331 = 20.6198 BTC [-] 818539;1409689666;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: as i understand, the chinese 'wot' is their... genealogical tree. and i'm not certain that they'd see out wot as other than noise even were they to get out of that stage. (and why ought they) 818540;1409689680;asciilifeform;(as noise were it merged into theirs) 818541;1409689752;asciilifeform;this is also applicable, in theory, to any other people who would simply hammer a wot, were they to build one, to copy exactly their existing hierarchies 818542;1409689820;asciilifeform;*our 818543;1409689917;asciilifeform;one could possibly argue re: the chinese - but people at the 'afghanistan' stage of 'civilopaedia' need a wot in just the same way that a bird needs airplane 818544;1409690070;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 51337 @ 0.0008425 = 43.2514 BTC [-] {2} 818545;1409690555;gernika;In China there is also the concept of "face," which I guess is is sort of like a "Web of Shame." 818546;1409691839;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 40 @ 0.20057623 = 8.023 BTC [-] {7} 818547;1409692198;kakobrekla;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wnsdc7cTPuU 818548;1409692198;assbot; . - YouTube 818549;1409692632;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 71 @ 0.18556196 = 13.1749 BTC [-] {9} 818550;1409693913;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34682 @ 0.00084167 = 29.1908 BTC [-] {2} 818551;1409694096;ben_vulpes;lol 818552;1409694523;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 66350 @ 0.00084092 = 55.795 BTC [-] {4} 818553;1409695224;penguirker;New blog post: http://www.bcoinnews.com/1btcxe-trading-challenge-crypto-capital/ 818554;1409695225;penguirker;New blog post: http://www.bcoinnews.com/final-chapter-dogecoin/ 818555;1409695621;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7850 @ 0.00084037 = 6.5969 BTC [-] {2} 818556;1409697801;ben_vulpes;;;later tell thickasthieves holla 818557;1409697801;gribble;The operation succeeded. 818558;1409700485;BingoBoingo;http://www.latimes.com/nation/la-nn-nashville-teens-escape-20140902-story.html 818559;1409700485;assbot;More than 30 teens escape Nashville youth detention center - LA Times 818560;1409700645;BingoBoingo;;;ticker 818561;1409700648;gribble;Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 473.0, Best ask: 473.76, Bid-ask spread: 0.76000, Last trade: 473.0, 24 hour volume: 7354.53286549, 24 hour low: 470.42, 24 hour high: 484.61, 24 hour vwap: 477.092010119 818562;1409702082;X-Rob;Hah. mircea_popescu you may remember my diatribe about all the stupid design flaws in unattainium. I consider myself vindicated. http://i.imgur.com/HfH3kpV.png 818563;1409702274;BingoBoingo;X-Rob: What's that a picture of? 818564;1409702319;X-Rob;BingoBoingo: bittrex, with Unattainum saying 'DISABLED' next to it. 818565;1409702355;BingoBoingo;Ah, I saw the disabled part, but had no idea wtf the site was 818566;1409702378;Apocalyptic;X-Rob, isn't the doge hurting too much ? 818567;1409702408;X-Rob;Apocalyptic: I don't know where that doge came from. I lease my rig for doge, but I normally just convert it straight to btc. 818568;1409702487;X-Rob;It's worth 0.06BTC. Woo. 818569;1409702529;BingoBoingo;Wait, is Doge really trading for 28 satoshis per? 818570;1409702544;Apocalyptic;BingoBoingo, I believe so 818571;1409702577;X-Rob;27 818572;1409702670;BingoBoingo;My how its fallen 818573;1409702676;BingoBoingo;%p 818574;1409702679;atcbot;No data returned from CoinMiner.net 818575;1409702679;atcbot;[PityThePool Hashrate]: 513.11 GH/s [iSpace Pool Hashrate]: 1.84 TH/s 818576;1409702720;BingoBoingo;%d 818577;1409702721;atcbot;[ATC Diff] Current Diff: 1878190.93 Est. Next Diff: 271195.09 in 1497 blocks (#46368) Est. % Change: -85.56 818578;1409702817;BingoBoingo;http://atc.blockr.io/address/info/12djAcViRDNpfzkBEpN2N1RXCDocNi41BV My hou much Coinminer actually sucked 818579;1409702909;X-Rob;Geez, still 1500 blocks to go? 818580;1409703385;kakobrekla;kinda cool http://www.windytan.com/2014/02/mystery-signal-from-helicopter.html 818581;1409703386;assbot;absorptions: Mystery signal from a helicopter 818582;1409703654;BingoBoingo;X-Rob: Well, at least it is moving 818583;1409704121;BingoBoingo;!up tatinportland 818584;1409704128;tatinportland;sup! 818585;1409704135;BingoBoingo;Not to much 818586;1409704155;BingoBoingo;Hearn getting informed on the SPV thing: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=745631.msg8535219#msg8535219 818587;1409704155;assbot;[BIP][Draft] SPV improvement for light wallet 818588;1409704157;tatinportland;met up with a friend here seeing if Ben is around 818589;1409704258;tatinportland;fuck hearn alrdy 818590;1409704288;tatinportland;hearn esta fragile 818591;1409704359;TheNewDeal;which ben 818592;1409704382;tatinportland;vulpes 818593;1409704405;tatinportland;unless there are more Ben's in pland 818594;1409704410;TheNewDeal;ben_vulpes 818595;1409704443;BingoBoingo;;;google Ben's in pland 818596;1409704444;gribble;Factory Tours | Ben & Jerry's: ; Ben & Jerry's Waterbury Plant - Waterbury, VT | Yelp: ; Ben & Jerry's Factory Tour and Flavor Graveyard, Waterbury, Vermont: 818597;1409704502;tatinportland;babes In toyland 818598;1409704542;tatinportland;dry I'm past sober a couple hrs ago 818599;1409704548;tatinportland;sry 818600;1409705206;TheNewDeal;past sober... I like that mentality 818601;1409705515;BingoBoingo;http://www.infoworld.com/d/data-center/you-have-your-windows-in-my-linux-249483 818602;1409705516;assbot;You have your Windows in my Linux | Data Center - InfoWorld 818603;1409705858;BingoBoingo;http://www.theatlantic.com/national/archive/2014/09/in-cambridge-md-a-soviet-style-punishment-for-a-novelist/379431/ 818604;1409705859;assbot;In Maryland, a Soviet-Style Punishment for a Novelist - The Atlantic 818605;1409705908;tatinportland;thx bb 818606;1409705952;BingoBoingo;!up tatinportland 818607;1409706296;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 44666 @ 0.00083899 = 37.4743 BTC [-] {2} 818608;1409706390;ben_vulpes;tat im inbound to the victory 818609;1409706396;ben_vulpes;le ultra expensive american cab 818610;1409706414;ben_vulpes;tatinportland: ping 818611;1409706650;BingoBoingo;http://www.theatlantic.com/technology/archive/2014/09/the-secret-pot-growing-operations-in-americas-cornfields/375913/ 818612;1409706651;assbot;The Secret Pot-Growing Operations in America's Cornfields - The Atlantic 818613;1409707455;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3350 @ 0.00083614 = 2.8011 BTC [-] 818614;1409707503;decimation;asciilifeform: http://amzn.com/354045277X << lol at first I was like huh? then I read comments - hilarious 818615;1409707506;assbot;Chemical Shifts and Coupling Constants for Silicon-29 (Landolt-Barnstein: Numerical Data and Functional Relationshi): R. R. Gupta, M. D. Lechner, Heinrich Marsmann, Bozhana Mikhova, Frank Uhlig: 9783540452775: Amazon.com: Books 818616;1409707986;decimation;my understanding is that NMR resolution isn't good enough to be helpful for silicon-based integrated circuitry 818617;1409708101;decimation;asciilifeform: I always wondered about the rather large population of fortune tellers in Maryland. I'm glad that the state is regulating them to make them 'ok for you'. 818618;1409708248;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26050 @ 0.00084006 = 21.8836 BTC [+] {3} 818619;1409708279;decimation;asciilifeform: "server logs" << these are from the http referer headers? 818620;1409708516;lobbes;"As they watched the bonfire die down, they asked the DEA officials to estimate the value of the marijuana they had just burned. The reply: half a million dollars. The farmers had to laugh. The value of the corn that had been cut down to grow it? $32" << heh, I wonder how many farmers just keep the plants 818621;1409708648;BingoBoingo;I have to imagine it can't be a non-trivial number 818622;1409708695;decimation;re: sabu/fbi irc chat << fyi, if you are a 'hacker' and someone tells you that they can 'hack NATO', you are being played 818623;1409708797;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27200 @ 0.00083976 = 22.8415 BTC [-] {2} 818624;1409709800;asciilifeform;decimation: logs << yes 818625;1409709889;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: yes, they want to replace init.d scripts with a hearn-style binary turd. surprised ? 818626;1409709928;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: A bunch of Distros have already made the transition. The surprise is people are just now bitching about this. 818627;1409709932;asciilifeform;yet another... hearnia. 818628;1409709947;*;asciilifeform never saw them, never will see 818629;1409709971;assbot;Last 4 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/26JE3QF.txt ) 818630;1409709971;BingoBoingo;!b 4 818631;1409709985;BingoBoingo;Hearnia probably ought to join the vocabulary 818632;1409709992;asciilifeform;lol 818633;1409710175;BingoBoingo;Any any painful techical change causing by ignoring the idiots long enough for their shit sacks to escape into the inguinal canal. 818634;1409710356;TheNewDeal;beautiful 818635;1409710374;asciilifeform;good news is - now choosing a linux distro is easier than ever before. 818636;1409710381;asciilifeform;(and choosing a bsd - easier yet.) 818637;1409710421;BingoBoingo;Indeed 818638;1409710434;asciilifeform;all those things that confounded the novice, like the piles of hay confounded buridan's donkey - aren't 'choices' at all, after all. 818639;1409710444;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 119 @ 0.18183897 = 21.6388 BTC [-] {7} 818640;1409710508;BingoBoingo;I mean seriously, who wants to run a *nix laptop and not play with runlevels 818641;1409710519;asciilifeform;this isn't about the aesthetics, either. 818642;1409710558;asciilifeform;this is about microshit and usg (but i repeat myself) finally making some headway in dealing with the 'final solution' to the escapees from wintel 'problem.' 818643;1409710700;asciilifeform;there is a concerted effort to replace certain things with... various other things. 818644;1409710880;decimation;asciilifeform: I take it you are not a 'systemd' fan? 818645;1409710890;asciilifeform;howd'you guess 818646;1409710922;decimation;I'm not sure it's as conspiratorial as you make out, 'people want' to have their systems boot quickly 818647;1409710956;asciilifeform;what's inherently slow about init.d ? 818648;1409710975;BingoBoingo;decimation: No I want fucking control over how my system boots! And I don't want fucking dependency hell because I want my system in runlevel 4! 818649;1409711013;decimation;exactly the dependency issue. If you "know" what your system depends on, you can parallel-boot multiple processes simultaneously 818650;1409711043;BingoBoingo;http://igurublog.wordpress.com/2014/04/08/julian-assange-debian-is-owned-by-the-nsa/ 818651;1409711044;assbot;Julian Assange: Debian Is Owned By The NSA « IgnorantGuru's Blog 818652;1409711049;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: this is not just about depriving you of knobs to turn. the hearniators must clear some ground to emplace their hearnias - this requires demolishing some very well understood, traditional widget, so that it -must be replaced, dontcha know, it's obsolete-. 818653;1409711096;decimation;I think there's also some 'me-too'-ism with secure booting off the tpm module 818654;1409711149;asciilifeform;ah yes, the old fritz chip. 818655;1409711166;BingoBoingo;As notated in the logs from April - May this year after my scrotum's previous brush with illness and danger, the surprise Hearnia would be a most unwelcome guest. 818656;1409711186;decimation;after all, wouldn't you like to tie your boot process with opaque silicon? 818657;1409711250;*;BingoBoingo wonders if anyone here can recall when Mac OS machines stopped shipping with "resedit" 818658;1409711271;decimation;BingoBoingo: pre-bsd mac os was a turd 818659;1409711317;BingoBoingo;decimation: But is an intimately knowable one. OS 7 lives! 818660;1409711440;decimation;somehow there's motivation in the 'linux' world (by that I mean redhat) to make the OS 'go away' 818661;1409711455;decimation;so that you can just spin up multiple http/db stacks simultaneously 818662;1409711509;BingoBoingo;It's amazing how much though that could have been the case in LISP machine world. 818663;1409711509;assbot;AMAZING COMPANY! 818664;1409711519;BingoBoingo;But instead people want Java world 818665;1409711532;decimation;what about LISP written in Java? 818666;1409711547;decimation;today I was trying to wrap my head around C++ std vector libraries 818667;1409711554;BingoBoingo;decimation: The Problem with Java is it denies the existence of Hardware 818668;1409711602;decimation;I was amazed that anyone could think that it's a great idea to give up control over your software using templates written by some committee 818669;1409711635;asciilifeform;decimation: these weren't designed for the comfort of the user - any more than electric chair was 818670;1409711674;asciilifeform;sizzle in comfort or on bare iron - not for the long pig to decide. 818671;1409711724;decimation;I was thinking about your point about how these languages put the programmer in 'jail' by separating 'language' and 'code' 818672;1409711734;decimation;it made me unhappy to be programming C++ 818673;1409711745;BingoBoingo;It is amazing though how quickly the long pig can "go feral" in the wilderness, much like its namesake. 818674;1409711745;assbot;AMAZING COMPANY! 818675;1409714044;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14235 @ 0.00084278 = 11.997 BTC [+] {2} 818676;1409714165;BingoBoingo;!mpif 818677;1409714166;assbot;BtcAlpha.com F.MPIF Tracker estimated NAV per share: 0.00021650 B (Total: 473.44 B). Delta: -1.08 B. Last trade for F.MPIF on MPEX was at 0.00022 BTC [+] 818678;1409714580;mircea_popescu;X-Rob so you take delight in the disabilities of others ? i see how it is. 818679;1409714687;BingoBoingo;xanthyos: That's an interesting take. I didn't really have much background on the stuff when I started sitting on the now apparently defunct #BitcoinBarron chan 818680;1409714711;X-Rob;mircea_popescu: lying and stubborn headedness isn't a disability. 818681;1409714733;mircea_popescu;if that isn't a disability, i dunno what is :) 818682;1409714738;*;BingoBoingo can tell it is statement season because the logs are so thin. I guess it is a consequence of so many things going on 818683;1409714761;TheNewDeal;statement season? 818684;1409714768;mircea_popescu;but anyway, i'm beinf facetious for the fun of humiliating they absent third parties that believe in form and formalism. 818685;1409714838;BingoBoingo;Form is useful to a point, but by the time you take it far enough to add -ism it's gone too far. 818686;1409715037;mircea_popescu;form in itself is never useful. 818687;1409715050;mircea_popescu;form as used by they with a lot of substance isn't even form per se anymore. 818688;1409715087;mircea_popescu;me killing dopey-popo-plus being a fine example of exactly this. 818689;1409715163;BingoBoingo;Well form must always exist as a +1 onto something else to be useful. 818690;1409715170;TheNewDeal;form and function are quite useful tools for analysis . anatomy teacher used to preach it in secondary school 818691;1409715274;BingoBoingo;TheNewDeal: Form and function aren't "things" though. Function is a requirement and form is a structure for implementation. 818692;1409715315;TheNewDeal;form is an abstract thing 818693;1409715330;mthreat; mthreat how did the exclusion clauses work in search agai ? // the minus sign excludes terms, e.g. wheat -chaff 818694;1409715360;TheNewDeal;for instance if you looked at computer code you could ask. What does it accomplish (what is it's function?)? and How did it go about doing that (in what form?)? 818695;1409715458;BingoBoingo;The20YearIRCloud: Well, right. You can't give me pyramid, though you can give me pyramids or a pyramid. 818696;1409715961;mircea_popescu;http://trilema.com/2014/a-complete-theory-of-economics/#comment-107351 << this may be of some general interest. 818697;1409715962;assbot;A complete theory of economics pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. 818698;1409715965;mircea_popescu;mthreat aty! 818699;1409716026;mircea_popescu;TheNewDeal there's a difference between form as you use it and form as used before. yours is the result of everything spurious being taken away, it's the form of livingthings chiseled in a million years of predition and ovulation. 818700;1409716031;decimation;mircea_popescu: so you aren't a Platonist? 818701;1409716041;mircea_popescu;the other thing is a convention, the result of nothing but spuriousness. 818702;1409716054;mircea_popescu;decimation indeed not, how could i ever be ? 818703;1409716063;mircea_popescu;what gave it away and what made you think that in teh first place 818704;1409716079;decimation;hehe I didn't. but you aren't a fan of Aristotle either? 818705;1409716103;mircea_popescu;in parts. contrary to what the european hordes thought, aristotle holds not the answer to everything,. 818706;1409716300;decimation;In your urban v. rural article, you mentioned that the surveillance state is "feminine thinking". what do you mean by that? 818707;1409716392;BingoBoingo;The first giant red flag I experienced about grad school in philosophy was that a classmate existed such that they claimed to be an absolute Berkely/Hume Idealist 818708;1409716444;decimation;BingoBoingo: what was your classmate's theory on the Observer who animates the cosmos? 818709;1409716498;BingoBoingo;decimation: I don't remember if I ever knew. You just kind of tune someone out after that. 818710;1409716537;mircea_popescu;decimation it's a large topic. 818711;1409716712;decimation;I get what you are saying about the cost of information storage and processing being nearly infinite, so it's a foolish idea to begin with. My guess at the "feminine" part was that this bureaucracy imagines it can comprehensively exercise control over the world without a face-to-face confrontation. 818712;1409716841;mircea_popescu;but you're familiar enough with my thinking to be aware how dimly i view this proposition that kids should be encouraged to "guess" what "the words mean in context" rather than look it up 818713;1409717146;decimation;;;ud feminine 818714;1409717146;gribble;http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=feminine | Feminine means "What pertains to a woman". There are no qualifications. Whatever a woman does is feminine, because they are a woman, and they are doing ... 818715;1409717230;mircea_popescu;hehe well yeah, here's the problem : nobody;'s written the trilema dictionary yet, and the author itself feels unequal to the task of defining the feminine, which is why i passed above. 818716;1409717261;mircea_popescu;which means you're quite stuck. but perhaps if you had a question or some statement that could be tested or something ? 818717;1409717279;mircea_popescu;ie, more context of what you plan to use that definition for. 818718;1409717562;decimation;I guess I was thinking about where the surveillance state fell on the urban-rural axis - it seems to me that it is ultra-urban (Roman). While it might not be able to process infinite information, what if the level of information it could process is 'good enough' to turn the entire world into Rome? 818719;1409717699;mircea_popescu;i think this may be a flaw of modelling. consider this point : one of the ways nero got a bad reputation was through going out at night and assaulting random people in the street. 818720;1409717724;mircea_popescu;this was predicated on them not knowing who he was, and furthermore, on him not knowing who they were. 818721;1409717736;mircea_popescu;doesn't this much unknowing throw a hole in your rome model ? 818722;1409717765;mircea_popescu;(he once or twice got beat up pretty bad on account of it, too) 818723;1409717923;BingoBoingo;Well in contrast Julius spent months in pirate captivity threatening them with crucifiction and managed to live to see his ransom arrive so he could carry out the threat 818724;1409718014;mircea_popescu;lol 818725;1409718046;mircea_popescu;for that matter, rome did not have income tax, or consumption tax. it had a capitation, and some trade licensing fees. 818726;1409718062;decimation;Yeah I do see how that throws a wrench in the model. Here's a real-world example: http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/philg/2014/08/09/obama-and-new-england-aviation-businesses-start-their-vacation/ << greenspun details how Obama travels with an enormous entourage, which usg can't afford - this fact doesn't occur to anyone 'in the loop' 818727;1409718062;assbot;Philip Greenspun's Weblog » Obama and New England aviation businesses start their vacation 818728;1409718075;mircea_popescu;i have no idea why people keep thinking of it in terms of a sort of older us without tablets. it's so reactionary in fact it'd put medieval england to shame. 818729;1409718094;mircea_popescu;decimation the point is valid, and people with a clue ocasionaly make it 818730;1409718099;BingoBoingo;Julius Ceasar would make the redditard's case for waiting until the time comes, if only they knew of him 818731;1409718109;mircea_popescu;(such as, the worst thing a contemporary president can do for a disaster area ? travel there.) 818732;1409718157;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo oh but i am aware. and the reason i wake up so chipper & cheerful i nthe mornings is quite a large pile of this, where the oppressed have the key to their freedom in their hand and somehow omitted to going to school the day its use was taught. 818733;1409718161;decimation;the guys 'in the loop' with all of this supposed knowledge apparently can't differentiate between luxury resorts in Massachusetts and a third-world hellhole 818734;1409718178;nubbins`;nice to meet your disaster, here's 10 tons of co2 818735;1409718194;nubbins`;or "plant air" 818736;1409718197;mircea_popescu;nubbins` that's not it. a buncha fuctards have to be hosted somewhere, and they don't carry tents to camp in. 818737;1409718201;mircea_popescu;and a bunch is like 1k people by now. 818738;1409718310;BingoBoingo;nubbins`: What are your thoughts on archival inks? 818739;1409718338;nubbins`;ah, care to direct me a bit more than that? 818740;1409718353;mircea_popescu;no nubbins` you gotta give the long form abofe! 818741;1409718362;BingoBoingo;nubbins`: Something that pairs well with the lifespan of cotton fiber paper. 818742;1409718391;BingoBoingo;Looking for something that might beat the old standard of India Ink, but as far as I know that is the state of the art 818743;1409718445;decimation;heh one of the links in greenspun's blog: http://archive.delawareonline.com/article/20060614/NEWS/60614001/Air-Force-blames-crew-C-5-crash 818744;1409718446;assbot;Air Force blames crew for C-5 crash | The News Journal | delawareonline.com 818745;1409718478;nubbins`;india ink is pretty solid, as long as it's marked as archival quality 818746;1409718506;nubbins`;pascale is using some sort of watercolor pastes these days that come in impossibly small tubes, i'll check them out next time i'm upstairs 818747;1409718527;BingoBoingo;Interesting 818748;1409718533;decimation;nubbins`: are you going to use acid-free paper? 818749;1409718627;nubbins`;decimation, natch 818750;1409718664;nubbins`;BingoBoingo, winsor & newton is the brand 818751;1409718679;*;BingoBoingo honestly doesn't care much about acidity of paper, good stuff gets permethrin, capscaisin, and nystatin anyway 818752;1409718744;*;asciilifeform recalls thread on hanbot's site re: smelling of books & shudders 818753;1409718789;decimation;asciilifeform: yeah when I read your comment it brought to mind my youth: my friend's homes each had a different smell which struck me as I entered 818754;1409718790;BingoBoingo;lol 818755;1409718799;decimation;usually a bad one if they had pets 818756;1409718815;asciilifeform;ah see, the comment wasn't about smells in the usual sense 818757;1409718821;asciilifeform;as in, things an adult can actually reliably smell. 818758;1409718825;mircea_popescu;supposedly this is the most striking quality of a functioning harem. 818759;1409718829;mircea_popescu;the variety of scent. 818760;1409718872;asciilifeform;decimation: so it wasn't a matter of what kind of animal there was the dung of 818761;1409718897;decimation;no, it was something more - including all the clean supplies, carpets, foods, habits 818762;1409718912;asciilifeform;this was the kind of smell that varied from room to room in a house. 818763;1409718918;mircea_popescu;pets do have a print, for sure. 818764;1409718943;*;asciilifeform gives up on trying to describe it because it was not attributable to any familiar object like shit, piss, food, carbol, etc. 818765;1409718987;mircea_popescu;never give up. 818766;1409719011;asciilifeform;handiest way to answer this question is build the amp & show firsthand. 818767;1409719013;asciilifeform;one day. 818768;1409719039;decimation;hehe perhaps after a rich prince has funded your secure terminal 818769;1409719057;asciilifeform;lol 818770;1409719198;asciilifeform;re: story with airplanes: i once saw something quite like this in life. was in wash., d.c., and an entire sixteen or so blocks were barricaded off, no one knew why. some days later, newspapers triumphantly described dick cheney's dinner at a certain restaurant in middle of said place. 818771;1409719239;asciilifeform;these folks actually picture themselves as 'chinese emperors', with 'forbidden city' conjured up anywhere they like. 818772;1409719298;asciilifeform;city police, for the duration, becomes their private army, etc. 818773;1409719299;decimation;which would be one thing if they were the doge of venice 818774;1409719369;decimation;but these guys also conjure the salaries for all of their minions out of thin air 818775;1409719510;asciilifeform;the other pertinent 'psychiatric' observation here is that the waste decried in the airplane piece is - mandatory. consider - in savage tribe where, e.g, hats are worm, chieftain might have longest hat. or he might get the choicest slice of long pig, whichever. in 'consumption' tribe - modern usa - what badge of rank for royalty? 818776;1409719529;asciilifeform;one ought to be surprised they don't burn the airplane on the public square every time. 818777;1409719570;decimation;yeah that's a good point 818778;1409719592;asciilifeform;this kind of thing can be relied on to carry on - until can't 818779;1409719611;decimation;it's an elaborate cargo-cult of security with real humans acting as the 'cargo plane' 818780;1409719675;decimation;and even though the president has very little personal authority his underlings are more than happy to throw this security party because they each get a part 818781;1409719709;asciilifeform;don't forget the machines and their vendors. various parts with high-threes or low-fours 'MTBF', periodic mandatory maintenance, etc. - churn inventory. 818782;1409719754;decimation;hehe yeah. as one commentator put it (on greenspun's site): "I doubt that Obama (or Bush in his day) even thinks about what kind of travel arrangements are being made on his behalf. It’s the lackeys around them who like to be part of a grand spectacle, compounded by unfettered risk aversion in the federal and MA security apparatus." 818783;1409719768;asciilifeform;people like to laugh at 'golden toilet' - but the latter is potentially heirloom item, will show no detectable wear for a thousand years 818784;1409719796;asciilifeform;american 'golden toilets' tend to fall into rust if you forget them in a closet for a year. 818785;1409719823;mircea_popescu; and even though the president has very little personal authority his underlings are more than happy to throw this security party because they each get a part << quite. 818786;1409719833;decimation;asciilifeform: but the trouble is that instead of conjuring actual heirloom objects, the usg method is to piss away the money on 'airlifting' an SUV from DC to New England 818787;1409719837;mircea_popescu;if i were president i'd just walk there. 818788;1409719840;decimation;as if you couldn't just drive there in 4 hours 818789;1409719862;decimation;Or load up on any of 100000 trucks who move such cars as a trade (or trains) 818790;1409719863;mircea_popescu;said no roman emperor after caracalla, for the very reason that made charlemagne great : he was nothing much outside of the chief of the guards. 818791;1409719936;asciilifeform;u.s. presidential car is an infamous laughing-stock - broke down recently in england (?) and they had one hell of a time finding a shop that would attempt repair 818792;1409719949;asciilifeform;(and, presumably, properly 'aryan') 818793;1409719954;mircea_popescu;heh. 818794;1409719987;mircea_popescu;meanwhile over here, i ran into a chamber minority leader (they have like six) in a coffee shop by the courthouse. 818795;1409720030;decimation;supposedly the constitution forbids forcing citizens to quarter troops, but apparently giving up their livelihoods and ruining their vacations so usg can have a security part is 'ok for them' 818796;1409720059;mircea_popescu; don't forget the machines and their vendors. various parts with high-threes or low-fours 'MTBF', periodic mandatory maintenance, etc. - churn inventory. <<< would seem to contradict asciilifeform> u.s. presidential car is an infamous laughing-stock - broke down recently in england (?) and they had one hell of a time finding a shop that would attempt repair 818797;1409720064;mircea_popescu;these can't both be the case. 818798;1409720079;asciilifeform;sure it can. 818799;1409720089;mircea_popescu;tell ? 818800;1409720090;decimation;the mtbf numbers are all theoretical 818801;1409720098;asciilifeform;they neglected to bring 'lockheed' - or whoever normally diddles that machine - along for the ride. 818802;1409720104;mircea_popescu;decimation point being the vultures in question'd have made good money out of it. 818803;1409720110;mircea_popescu;oh. 818804;1409720115;mircea_popescu;that far huh ? 818805;1409720118;asciilifeform;if i recall, it was eventually flown (!) back for repairs. 818806;1409720130;decimation;http://www.sre.org/pubs/Mil-Hdbk-338B.pdf 818807;1409720164;mircea_popescu;decimation re heirloom items. anyone know who cato porcius was, and why he got that name ? 818808;1409720172;asciilifeform;other detail was that it was done in by a ragged bit of cement on road. 818809;1409720181;asciilifeform;(broke axle, if i remember) 818810;1409720188;asciilifeform;and this, with 'world's best armour' etc. 818811;1409720188;decimation;I only know of Cato the Elder 818812;1409720197;decimation;oh, same guy 818813;1409720255;mircea_popescu;he was a censor, and as a censor he had the authority to forbid luxury expenditures. which he did, by forbiding some types of textile, which were very expensive, all imported, and wore quickly. 818814;1409720266;mircea_popescu;the women - which, by that time, were mostly prostitutes - all hated him for it, 818815;1409720274;mircea_popescu;and what did they do ? they went to reddit to call him names! 818816;1409720303;mircea_popescu;all of it - quite feminine :) 818817;1409720308;asciilifeform;lol 818818;1409720334;decimation;the reddit of the time being the stall of some brother or something? 818819;1409720339;decimation;s/brother/ brothel/ 818820;1409720363;mircea_popescu;well they had these bed-parties 818821;1409720373;mircea_popescu;(they didn't sit around the table. they... lay there) 818822;1409720527;BingoBoingo;!up ThickAsThieves 818823;1409720622;decimation;When I think of security paranoia among US leaders it reminds me of this story in the Daily Mail: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2049430/Royal-Navy-turn-guns-pointing-Michelle-Obamas-hotel-room-around.html 818824;1409720623;assbot;Royal Navy turn guns pointing at Michelle Obama's hotel room around | Mail Online 818825;1409720672;asciilifeform;decimation: lol, what a 'cruiser aurora' that would've been. 818826;1409720722;decimation;asciilifeform: here's another presidential limo lol http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-13507338 818827;1409720722;assbot;BBC News - Obama's Beast 'did not get stuck' on Dublin ramp 818828;1409720853;penguirker;New blog post: http://trilema.com/2014/let-me-tell-you-a-few-words-about-this-usability-business/ 818829;1409720962;decimation;those cursed sailors on Kronstadt caused a heap of trouble for the whole world 818830;1409721737;BingoBoingo;Oh the newest trilema explains both Mac OS love and OSX hate 818831;1409721835;mircea_popescu;how so ? 818832;1409721932;mircea_popescu;http://bitcoinfoundation.com/ 818833;1409721932;assbot;Domain Suspension 818834;1409721968;decimation;I read it as a parable about GPG usability 818835;1409722023;mircea_popescu;but anyway, here's a rfc. in re this bet : http://bitbet.us/bet/854/ it calls for pierce to be a director. currently as per https://bitcoinfoundation.org/about/overview/ he seems to have been silently downgraded to member. 818836;1409722023;assbot;BitBet - Brock Pierce to resign at BTC Foundation :: 0.3 B (3%) on Yes, 10.08 B (97%) on No | closed 1 week 5 hours ago 818837;1409722024;assbot;Overview | The Bitcoin Foundation 818838;1409722037;BingoBoingo;Mac OS (which roughly excludes things with version numbers greater than 7.1) did this thing where options presented graphically reflected machine state. 7.5.1 and later along with the OS X bastard begin the breaking of correspondence with... nigger fingers 818839;1409722043;mircea_popescu;im going to have that as a yes, sometime tomorrow. if anyone wants to make an argument... you got about a day. 818840;1409722071;cazalla;wtf bitbet scam this is like the bfl bet 818841;1409722089;cazalla;sounds fair tbh, they must've done it on the sly not to bring attention to him 818842;1409722109;BingoBoingo;Oh Brock silently coup'd 818843;1409722117;mircea_popescu;it' 818844;1409722124;mircea_popescu;s a funny testament to both his and their relative importance 818845;1409722138;mircea_popescu;that the only point at which anyone notices this is when a bitbet mod tries to close a bitbet bet. 818846;1409722161;decimation;or that 10 btc is enough to motivate changing their 'structure' 818847;1409722204;BingoBoingo;It really seems that their entire structure changed to confound the bet 818848;1409722232;cazalla;did he resign or do it willingly though 818849;1409722285;gernika;I'm not understanding the argument that, shall we say, the less fair skinned would be extinct if not transported to the americas. Seems to me like there are more deadly diseases originating from Africa that kill whites than the other way around. Whites trying to settle Africa near the equator died like tsetse flies. 818850;1409722302;BingoBoingo;Honestly an questionable interpretation may be they went from a board of directors to a board of members... odd presentation question, maybe leading to a trap, but totes niggarific 818851;1409722329;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo interesting poin tre appleos stuff. i never followed it any so i had no clue. 818852;1409722366;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: This is what happens when your first computer is an actual mac in 2000-2001 818853;1409722366;mircea_popescu;gernika so where is the great iroquis nation ? 818854;1409722391;cazalla;maybe it's like casino whereby brock says he is food and beverage director but really about the only thing he directed was the casino 818855;1409722397;mircea_popescu;(and by any measures it WAS a great nation. greater than say, that-time italy) 818856;1409722410;BingoBoingo;Still it looks like Brock could lose this bet on webdesign points 818857;1409722411;mircea_popescu;cazalla yeah. right. so many punks grow up to be shadowlords. 818858;1409722414;gernika;mircea_popescu dead. I mean subsaharan africans though. 818859;1409722435;mircea_popescu;gernika land in africa is just as valuable as land in the midwest, as far as land goes. 818860;1409722450;mircea_popescu;imagiune there wasn't a massive african diaspora in the us. how would rhodesia have looked ? 818861;1409722458;BingoBoingo;The precendent where Brock looses this bet on web design grounds could set a great precedent 818862;1409722470;mircea_popescu;there wasn't a massive chicano diaspora at isabelle's court. how did mexico look / 818863;1409722488;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo wtf is one to do ? 818864;1409722515;cazalla;well look, bobby lee is named board member as well yet they were elected to same role 818865;1409722533;mircea_popescu;what role was it ? 818866;1409722541;mircea_popescu;"director of board membership" or something ? 818867;1409722545;cazalla;if board member, bad bet? 818868;1409722555;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: To be fair I have great gains to make if the bet is resolved as yes, but... if such resolution makes muppets begin treating web documents as documents of record when they publich and maintain them... that would be a plus. 818869;1409722561;mircea_popescu;it can't really be a bad bet retroactively. 818870;1409722590;mircea_popescu;maybe the result ios a "this website is merely informational" disclaimer. as if lol. 818871;1409722606;BingoBoingo;I mean I'm not correcting attrocious sentences on my blog using the grounds that text is sacred. 818872;1409722700;cazalla;way back when shows those vacant seats as board members not directors 818873;1409722778;mircea_popescu;cazalla i find it distinctly riodiculous that nobody pointed this out prior. 818874;1409722794;mircea_popescu;for all the retarded nitpicks that make their way into bitbet comments... 818875;1409722795;BingoBoingo;I mean I am no where near as confident on this argument as when I Bitbet lawyered my way to a righteous win on S.DICE vs. S.BBET however this seems to instead harken back to luke-jr's BFL miner. 818876;1409722874;mircea_popescu;;;google brock pierce director 818877;1409722875;gribble;Brock Pierce - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: ; Brock Pierce | LinkedIn: ; Brock Pierce - IMDb: 818878;1409722878;mircea_popescu;heh. 818879;1409722893;mircea_popescu;;;google "brock pierce" "bitcoin foundation" director 818880;1409722894;gribble;Brock Pierce to Bitcoin Foundation: I Will Not Step Down - CoinDesk: ; Bobby Lee, Brock Pierce Join Bitcoin Foundation's Board of Directors: ; Bitcoin Foundation hit by resignations over new director | Reuters: (1 more message) 818881;1409722917;mircea_popescu;;;more 818882;1409722917;gribble; 818883;1409722936;cazalla;why is bobby lee not still a director then 818884;1409722992;mircea_popescu;cazalla i am actually seeing a lot of merit in your position. 818885;1409723004;mircea_popescu;upon further consideration. 818886;1409723018;BingoBoingo;The argument I see in favor of no is largely a lack of resignation. 818887;1409723188;cazalla;unless bobby lee joined him for a pool party 818888;1409723258;BingoBoingo;Maybe get some pedo wiki lawyers on this case? 818889;1409723276;mircea_popescu;"The three pilots in the cockpit had a combined 10,000 hours of flying time in the C-5, and were backed by two flight engineers with a combined 12,000 hours in the air. " 818890;1409723278;mircea_popescu;dude gtfo. 818891;1409723291;mircea_popescu;im not buying this "so they suddenly became greenhorns" argument. 818892;1409723332;BingoBoingo;I mean they are presenting these people as something they weren't when the bet was opened. 818893;1409723332;decimation;yeah an alternative explanation is that the upgrade was actually a downgrade 818894;1409723382;mircea_popescu;decimation senator says that's not the case :) 818895;1409723398;BingoBoingo;The foundation may be trying to set a trap, where they assume board member should be assumed as a director on the board. In spite of that abusing the definition of both board and director 818896;1409723451;BingoBoingo;I feel comfortable though disclosing 1A8CEYzN75pCztEb9VmZg7ATFTtLmNS3qU was the address for my bet, HI AGENT BROACHWALA!!!11!! 818897;1409723691;BingoBoingo;It may be the way of the future that tards start combating BitBet by changing labels. 818898;1409723737;mircea_popescu;well... the problem is deeper than that. they're already combating sense by changing labels. take the board of directors : one used to have tro be a director first to be on that board. 818899;1409723755;mircea_popescu;nowadays... one wants to get on the board and this is presumed to make them a "director". over what ? heh. 818900;1409723779;BingoBoingo;That. 818901;1409723795;decimation;I thought the whole idea of 'boards' in us corporate law is to create a body that is independent of the management 818902;1409723813;decimation;I would think the presumption would be that none of the board members are directors in the sense of holding management positions 818903;1409723831;BingoBoingo;decimation: Becasue directors are over management. But other forms of boards exist 818904;1409723835;mircea_popescu;someone just fucking crashed outside. 818905;1409723842;mircea_popescu;the street is one of the widest IN THE WORLD 818906;1409723845;mircea_popescu;and it's fucking empty. 818907;1409723855;decimation;drunk? 818908;1409723876;mircea_popescu;must be. the trunks of tuesday night god help us. 818909;1409723876;BingoBoingo;decimation: Drunk is not an explanation for a crash in itself 818910;1409723888;gernika;mircea_popescu ok I think I see your point, though it seems like colonialism within Africa would have been more influential in transferring technology, especially in Rhodesia, from where very few slaves probably originated or to where the educated descendants may have returned. Sierra Leone and Liberia, where a lot of descendants of slaves actually returned to are serious shit holes. 818911;1409723910;[]bot;Bet created: "NMC >= .005 BTC in 2014" http://bitbet.us/bet/1039/ 818912;1409723913;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: What are some more Argentine businesses plagued by Friends syndrome? 818913;1409723937;decimation;gernika: I would note that the 'returned slaves' immediately began to enslave the locals and run plantations of their own 818914;1409723975;[]bot;Bet created: "Bitcoin difficulty to fall before November" http://bitbet.us/bet/1040/ 818915;1409723983;mircea_popescu;gernika im not so sure that colonialism -> tech transfer thing is worth anything. 818916;1409723992;mircea_popescu;;;google site:trilema.com extraction economy 818917;1409723993;gribble;Wikileaks - MDXXIX pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.: ; Wikileaks - MCCXXXIX pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.: ; Ron Maimon, LuboÅ¡ Motl and other Internet things I hear of today for ...: ;;later tell mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-08-2014#791960 <<< interesting 818987;1409729720;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35700 @ 0.00084435 = 30.1433 BTC [+] {2} 818988;1409729912;punkman;;;gettrust BingoBoingo 818989;1409729912;gribble;Currently authenticated from hostmask BingoBoingo!~BingoBoin@unaffiliated/bingoboingo. Trust relationship from user punkman to user BingoBoingo: Level 1: 1, Level 2: 7 via 5 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=punkman&dest=BingoBoingo | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=BingoBoingo | Rated since: Wed Mar 20 03:45:45 2013 818990;1409730310;mircea_popescu;!up eizodo 818991;1409730371;punkman;mircea_popescu: so who runs bitfinex now? 818992;1409730393;mircea_popescu;it's about as clear as mud. 818993;1409732783;BingoBoingo;RagnarDanneskjol: Let's take this debate in chan 818994;1409732833;BingoBoingo;I'd really like those coins in the short term, but what does the Brock bet resolution imply in the long term 818995;1409732848;BingoBoingo;RagnarDanneskjol: What is your first language? 818996;1409732859;RagnarDanneskjol;cpp 818997;1409732866;RagnarDanneskjol;English 818998;1409732931;BingoBoingo;So RagnarDanneskjol How much of the conversation on this bet and the BTC Foundation's site thus far? 818999;1409732957;RagnarDanneskjol;i know i lack the eloquence of some of the big brains in here, but didnt think my grammers were that bad 819000;1409732966;RagnarDanneskjol;please rephrase the question 819001;1409733028;BingoBoingo;lol, I'm drunk. How much of the conversation on this bet and the BTC Foundation's site thus far and their interaction have you read on? 819002;1409733095;RagnarDanneskjol;none prior to our conversation - last I read brock's name was the press releases in May indicating he was refusing resignation 819003;1409733144;RagnarDanneskjol;anytime i see btc foundation, the eyes gloss over 819004;1409733145;BingoBoingo;Well... time passes at the moment, key words seem to be resigned and director. MP has a strong position on the word director. 819005;1409733196;RagnarDanneskjol;Ahh, regarding the verbiage on the wager, i read "resigns" as the key determining factor 819006;1409733208;BingoBoingo;The thing is RagnarDanneskjol breaking the BTC foundation can probably pay more dividens than golang BTCD 819007;1409733237;BingoBoingo;Right, resigns can be determining. So can director as well. 819008;1409733272;BingoBoingo;Welcome to the origins of a cluster fuck. 819009;1409733283;RagnarDanneskjol;haha 819010;1409733329;BingoBoingo;Because several months ago the BTC foundation advertised a board of directors, while now... the advertise a board of members. 819011;1409733357;BingoBoingo;RagnarDanneskjol: Do you have a way to contact Brock for his input? 819012;1409733365;RagnarDanneskjol;right, it was a shrewd and tactful deciscion 819013;1409733377;RagnarDanneskjol;yes, I can visit the office anyday 819014;1409733385;RagnarDanneskjol;but he gives me the creeps 819015;1409733386;punkman;I thought Brock was the one that bet 10btc 819016;1409733388;BingoBoingo;But it doesn't appear to be shrewd 819017;1409733408;BingoBoingo;punkman: So did I. Still I want to contact him if I can. 819018;1409733451;punkman;BingoBoingo: it seems nobody put any real money down on yes, guessing clusterfuck was expected 819019;1409733480;BingoBoingo;punkman: I put about 0.1 on yes expecting a clusterfuck I could lose. 819020;1409733536;punkman;well as I see it, some people still have Director in their titles, Brock doesn't 819021;1409733574;BingoBoingo;One of the most amazing things about homo sapien biology is the separation of circulatory and lymphatic systems between the scrotum and testes 819022;1409733574;assbot;AMAZING COMPANY! 819023;1409733602;cazalla;the position that brock and bobby lee won were advertised as board members not directors 819024;1409733673;cazalla;having glossed over director/board member, i bet no as i thought brock the rock was a lock 819025;1409733675;BingoBoingo;cazalla: But if they were never directors Brock could also not resign from a directorship? 819026;1409733693;BingoBoingo;Brock is only a rock in the kiddie pool. 819027;1409733704;cazalla;rock spider 819028;1409733725;BingoBoingo;And I bet yes, because I thought the FBI was on our side instead of on my fucking doorstep. 819029;1409733775;BingoBoingo;The amount I put on yes was minimal compared to what that one nigger put on no. 819030;1409733843;cazalla;wonder if it is brock 819031;1409733848;BingoBoingo;I seriously would love the yes returns on that bet, but hate the hate if yes was interpreted the yes way. 819032;1409733863;BingoBoingo;Kinda why I want brock in this chan yesterday. 819033;1409733930;RagnarDanneskjol;so he can confirm or deny resignation? 819034;1409733966;RagnarDanneskjol;I doubt he would confirm either way 819035;1409733991;BingoBoingo;RagnarDanneskjol: So he can confirm or evade like a slimy chomo piece of shit. 819036;1409734001;RagnarDanneskjol;lol 819037;1409734004;BingoBoingo;https://twitter.com/brockpierce 819038;1409734005;assbot;Brock Pierce (brockpierce) auf Twitter 819039;1409734013;punkman;http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/05/16/us-bitcoin-foundation-resignations-idUSBREA4F02B20140516 819040;1409734013;assbot;Bitcoin Foundation hit by resignations over new director| Reuters 819041;1409734019;punkman;they sure called him director a lot back then 819042;1409734035;BingoBoingo;punkman: But that was back then. 819043;1409734047;punkman;was there another "Executive Director" before matonis 819044;1409734063;BingoBoingo;The problem is the foundation is as solid as coco butter 819045;1409734111;cazalla;he's still director according to this image https://twitter.com/TechweekLA/status/505792088303091712/photo/1 819046;1409734112;assbot;New at /hashtag/TechweekLA?src=hash! Co-CEO of /JustFabOnline /brockpierce (/BTCFoundation) /sonnyvu (/Misfit) http://t.co/mbQSDebMrC http://t.co/ozNQbquP4y 819047;1409734164;mircea_popescu; The problem is the foundation is as solid as coco butter << quite. 819048;1409734165;BingoBoingo;https://twitter.com/BBoingo/status/507087891856900096 819049;1409734166;assbot;/brockpierce Are you familiar with IRC at all? Would you care to join the /hashtag/Bitcoin?src=hash-/Bitcoin_Assets channel for a bit of Q and A? 819050;1409734193;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo what can the guy do, practically ? 819051;1409734202;mircea_popescu;take an oath ? 819052;1409734218;cazalla;perhaps it's brock that tells the journos that he's the director 819053;1409734241;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: He can answer. Maybe not well, but in the worst case he can repent 819054;1409734258;BingoBoingo;I mean what can Obama do? 819055;1409734264;mircea_popescu;im just saying, generally to find an individuals position with an organisation, you need anyone but him 819056;1409734283;punkman;maybe ask Matonis then? 819057;1409734301;mircea_popescu;which is unclear who'd be. vesseneess is an asshole i wouldn't take the word of anyway, and nobody else is in charge there. 819058;1409734324;mircea_popescu;punkman is this the same matonis that got kicked out a while back and then went back in ? 819059;1409734340;punkman;no idea 819060;1409734424;BingoBoingo; which is unclear who'd be. vesseneess is an asshole i wouldn't take the word of anyway, and nobody else is in charge there. << Prime case where I get 30x on my money but fear how the niggers spin it. 819061;1409734580;penguirker;New blog post: http://trilema.com/2014/the-human-stain/ 819062;1409734766;punkman;what if Brock never were a director, wouldn't that make for a badbet? 819063;1409734790;punkman;to resign from a position you must have held the position at some point 819064;1409734838;punkman;in one of the foundation's IRS forms for 2013, only Matonis is listed as Executive Director and some girl as Assistant Director 819065;1409734844;BingoBoingo;If he were never a director that would, I think resolve as a "no" 819066;1409734867;cazalla;that's what i said earlier punkman 819067;1409734884;BingoBoingo;As you have to be a diretor to resign from directorship. 819068;1409734896;punkman;and it doesn't seem that board members hold any directorial duties 819069;1409734913;BingoBoingo;This revision from director board to memberboard makes everything so messy though. 819070;1409734934;BingoBoingo;It is a serious fucking Hearnia 819071;1409734953;BingoBoingo;Iodine Wipes! 819072;1409734959;BingoBoingo;Scalpel! 819073;1409734969;cazalla;way back when also lists karpeles as board member not director 819074;1409734989;punkman;https://github.com/pmlaw/The-Bitcoin-Foundation-Legal-Repo/blob/master/Bylaws/Bylaws_of_The_Bitcoin_Foundation.md 819075;1409734990;assbot;The-Bitcoin-Foundation-Legal-Repo/Bylaws_of_The_Bitcoin_Foundation.md at master pmlaw/The-Bitcoin-Foundation-Legal-Repo GitHub 819076;1409734992;BingoBoingo;Not that blunt piece of shit cazalla, get me a fucking sharp #10! 819077;1409735013;cazalla;but when he resigned, the foundation said "Effective immediately, Mark Karpeles has submitted his resignation from the board of directors" 819078;1409735095;cazalla;http://web.archive.org/web/20140224183648/https://bitcoinfoundation.org/blog/?p=462 819079;1409735096;assbot;Bitcoin Foundation: Blog 819080;1409735099;punkman;they call it a board of directors in their bylaws, which are supposed to be current 819081;1409735100;BingoBoingo;diana_coman Halp, what is Ingles? 819082;1409735133;punkman;fukken words 819083;1409735144;punkman;how do they even work 819084;1409735149;BingoBoingo;punkman: But are their bylaws current with their actual operations? Are the nigger actually picking cotton in the field? These are hard fucking problems man. 819085;1409735163;cazalla;that release constrasted with this http://web.archive.org/web/20140214150712/https://bitcoinfoundation.org/about/board 819086;1409735164;assbot;Bitcoin Foundation: About: Board Members 819087;1409735187;RagnarDanneskjol;"statements that can not univocally be established as either true or false at a certain point in the future are BadBets and as such unacceptable on BitBet. For instance, "God Exists" is unacceptable, because it can never be established as either true or false." 819088;1409735271;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26000 @ 0.00084455 = 21.9583 BTC [+] {2} 819089;1409735462;punkman;two days after Brock joined: https://web.archive.org/web/20140511082137/https://bitcoinfoundation.org/about/board/ 819090;1409735464;assbot;Bitcoin Foundation 819091;1409735498;punkman;so he's always been board member on the website 819092;1409735613;BingoBoingo;Is this a board of members or a board of directors? 819093;1409735627;BingoBoingo;Does anyone have some lithium citrate? 819094;1409735675;RagnarDanneskjol;board members 819095;1409735781;BingoBoingo;RagnarDanneskjol: And that is in the middle of two options. 819096;1409735801;BingoBoingo;A board is nothing but what it can be composed of 819097;1409735878;BingoBoingo;Is this a director fiber or a member fiber? 819098;1409735943;RagnarDanneskjol;well, many boards have consultants, litigators, etc who participate as non-members 819099;1409735980;BingoBoingo;And on many they participate as members, but not directors 819100;1409736000;RagnarDanneskjol;right 819101;1409736059;BingoBoingo;The yes interpretations of the brock bet leave a lot of room for educating the niggerboard on meaning 819102;1409736064;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [ROCK] 4200 @ 0.00050276 = 2.1116 BTC [-] {15} 819103;1409736086;penguirker;New blog post: http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/2014/09/03/the-systemd-war-is-over/ 819104;1409736098;BingoBoingo;The no interpretation seems to offer moar... something 819105;1409736134;RagnarDanneskjol;seems to me the wording for this wager could qualify under "Can bets be cancelled? ...material changes that make the bet meaningless" 819106;1409736161;mircea_popescu;except nothing apparently changed. 819107;1409736206;BingoBoingo;Nothing except the clarity of foundation slime. 819108;1409736236;RagnarDanneskjol;true - other than interpretations, prolly dosn't meet threshold for"material" changes, unless it does 819109;1409736268;punkman;BingoBoingo: the clarity wasn't there to begin with 819110;1409736366;RagnarDanneskjol;better yet "We do review comments made for cases where bets should indeed be cancelled..." 819111;1409736369;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.19329999 = 0.5799 BTC [+] {2} 819112;1409736374;BingoBoingo;punkman: Sure it was, but when a frog gets ready to spawn... 819113;1409736458;BingoBoingo;I just can't believe I'm in a position to win stupid BTC on yes and still, at least in ernest (the victorian) arguing that I might be in line for nothing. 819114;1409736493;BingoBoingo;What has BTC done to people's morals but harden them! 819115;1409736552;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.1999 = 0.5997 BTC [+] 819116;1409736555;punkman;coming from a place where director actually means something, I'd be more inclined to go with Yes 819117;1409736570;assbot;Last 1 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/2JQR543.txt ) 819118;1409736570;BingoBoingo;!b 1 819119;1409736579;BingoBoingo;Interesting 819120;1409736650;BingoBoingo;I'm in the position of imagining it would be better to make a nice dry rub and drag the subject here by his loins. 819121;1409736683;mircea_popescu;i still don't see what i could contribute, were i in the guy;s shoes and some third parties having had a bet 819122;1409736700;mircea_popescu;i suppose i wouldn't be in his shoes in the first place,. not having a tendency to get involved with scummy shit. 819123;1409736706;cazalla;if his is the 10 btc bet, surely he'll come 819124;1409736709;BingoBoingo;Right 819125;1409736715;assbot;Last 4 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/2927KS3.txt ) 819126;1409736715;BingoBoingo;!b 4 819127;1409736721;RagnarDanneskjol;for bingo's sake, I hope you win, but seems far too much ambiguity in wording for any clear answer - with or without direct 'confirmations' from the source. 819128;1409736744;BingoBoingo;I dunno that I want to win this one. 819129;1409736772;BingoBoingo;And not just because the FBI knows my free'd name nao 819130;1409736828;RagnarDanneskjol;I'm sure you're gonna be fine either way bingo 819131;1409736909;BingoBoingo;RagnarDanneskjol: Only if I know people who can pester over the matter of everything though. 819132;1409736976;BingoBoingo;If charges and remand mean an ankelbracelet and home instead of an ankel bracelet and the Darien gap... Anger! 819133;1409737119;BingoBoingo;RagnarDanneskjol: If only you enumerated the ways I can't be fine. Spiders? not fine! Centipedes? not fine! 819134;1409737133;BingoBoingo;And there's more 819135;1409737158;BingoBoingo;x86 computers? not fine! 819136;1409737237;RagnarDanneskjol;Bingo, you may not feel fine, but you will BE fine 819137;1409737316;RagnarDanneskjol;perhaps more weed, less lithium+booze. 819138;1409737331;BingoBoingo;RagnarDanneskjol: You may be using different definitions of "be" and "feel" in this context than I would. I mean I've enjoyed my least time in a locked ward. 819139;1409737371;BingoBoingo;And I know of no US programs that do lithium+booze. 819140;1409737421;BingoBoingo;Not that I like Lithium. It takes all of 3 days to make my flanks hurt like a whipped bitch. 819141;1409737451;RagnarDanneskjol;ok, you seem rather well adjusted to me. maybe its everyone else who's crazy 819142;1409737485;BingoBoingo;Still better than risperidone which makes me produce dairy like a moo cow while trembling liek micheal J fox. 819143;1409737508;RagnarDanneskjol;sounds like a party 819144;1409737544;BingoBoingo;RagnarDanneskjol: The greatest asset in any situation is knowledge of how you react. 819145;1409737566;BingoBoingo;I'm curious how Magnus Carlsen reacts to Ferguson niggers. 819146;1409737600;BingoBoingo;I bet it is better than how he reats to Ferguson police though. 819147;1409737621;assbot;jdanks +v failed; L1: 0, L2: 0 819148;1409737629;BingoBoingo;!up jdanks 819149;1409737633;BingoBoingo;Hello jdanks 819150;1409737639;jdanks;mornin' gents 819151;1409737644;BingoBoingo;Morning 819152;1409737674;jdanks;so I am now in the WoT (: I love the channel and blogs from y'all 819153;1409737691;BingoBoingo;jdank who +1'd you? 819154;1409737703;BingoBoingo;;;gettrust jdanks 819155;1409737703;gribble;Currently authenticated from hostmask jdanks!~john@108-93-178-152.lightspeed.irvnca.sbcglobal.net. Trust relationship from user BingoBoingo to user jdanks: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=BingoBoingo&dest=jdanks | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=jdanks | Rated since: never 819156;1409737727;jdanks;already? 819157;1409737763;RagnarDanneskjol;he just set it up now 819158;1409737765;jdanks;nobody it appears like. I just joined this madness 819159;1409737799;BingoBoingo;jdanks: cool, one always has to begin with the probing though. 819160;1409737801;jdanks;I am to not be trusted. Rolled in here on my tumbleweed. We do have a surprising amount of those in LA 819161;1409737808;BingoBoingo;Probing hurts more later 819162;1409737830;jdanks;No but really I engineer, I'm an open book. Sell eggs for BTC. Garden and what not 819163;1409737907;BingoBoingo;jdanks: What are you growing? My chile looks splendid this year, but it probably is within 48 hours of being a health hazard/ 819164;1409738016;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 17 @ 0.20882352 = 3.55 BTC [+] {2} 819165;1409738025;jdanks;My corn (white or blue or yellow) turned out small or with few kernels. It's been too hot. My Kale always loves the heat. Strawberries year round. I have loads of artichoke seeds. I still have this 10 lb. beet in the fridge I grew that I needa juice with maybe some carrots and apple. 819166;1409738050;RagnarDanneskjol;;;rate jdanks 2 is good people, quality eggs, also confirmed to be a living human being 819167;1409738052;gribble;Rating entry successful. Your rating of 2 for user jdanks has been recorded. 819168;1409738064;cazalla;jdanks, what sorta chickens? 819169;1409738091;jdanks;I am trying not to kill the 2 year old fruit trees though. The annuals are going crazy. Thanks Ragnar! 819170;1409738127;BingoBoingo; I still have this 10 lb. beet in the fridge I grew that I needa juice with maybe some carrots and apple. << We get sweet potatoes like that 819171;1409738140;jdanks;cazalla I have 4 leghorns, 3 rhode island reds, a couple barred rocks, and 3 black hens that are either australorp, buff orphington, or jersey giant 819172;1409738188;jdanks;BoingoBoingo dude the only reason it isn't in the ground going to seed is because the danged ladies dug/scratched it up. 819173;1409738209;cazalla;barred rocks are the same as plymouths, right? 819174;1409738219;jdanks;Yes and Amrocks too I think. 819175;1409738232;cazalla;i had 3 sussex bantams and 3 plymouth bantams 819176;1409738250;jdanks;Bred for show vs. Egg laying in it's own breed/strain 819177;1409738295;cazalla;with spring here, i'm going to build a proper coop and run for some more once some pullets are available locally 819178;1409738296;BingoBoingo;jdanks: At this point I'm just fucking with you because I can't keep Tilapia alive 819179;1409738304;jdanks;(: I love chickens, they are pretty hilarious to watch sometimes. They do create drama for themselves haha 819180;1409738328;cazalla;jdanks, yeah same, one of the sussex we had was so tame, the others would stay back but she'd come to the sliding door and peck it for food 819181;1409738331;jdanks;Those bantams are awesome. My faves are the barred rocks because they look like zebras 819182;1409738348;jdanks;lol Boingo that's sad. Don't those eat like..anything? 819183;1409738398;jdanks;cazalla when I'm outside having a cig they love jumping for it. Hell you can have anything in your hand and they will swarm you. 819184;1409738439;BingoBoingo;jdanks: Yes, tilapia are the worst in every sense. If you propose it to them as a food, they eat it. 819185;1409738494;BingoBoingo;Closest thing I can think of to Tilapia are Oscars, another African cichlid. 819186;1409738548;jdanks;I met this mechanical engineer once. He tells us his life story. After an hour he invites us into his house and backyard and he had this wonderful custom pool with crazy skulls in the cement. He was gonna farm Tilapia one season then I think crawfish the next and they would eat each others' poo or something. He had it all figured out lol 819187;1409738548;chetty;http://www.wctrib.com/content/police-chief-kills-boys-pet-chicken-fowl-were-violation-city-ordinance-0 819188;1409738551;assbot;Police chief kills boys pet chicken: Fowl were in violation of city ordinance | West Central Tribune 819189;1409738603;jdanks;Thank goodness we moved the hens to be in accordance with our city ordinance. And here in my city for some reason animal control gets to make up those laws, the laws/code says 819190;1409738605;BingoBoingo;Tilapia aren't shit eaters like goldfish, but they aren't picky either. 819191;1409738664;BingoBoingo;Crawfish are a huge pain though because they NEED moving water 819192;1409738718;BingoBoingo;Crawfish are just about the perfect intersection of nutritious and gullible though 819193;1409738746;jdanks;He was going to go fishing. Every. Day. 819194;1409738754;jdanks;Kinda admire his spirit. 819195;1409738774;RagnarDanneskjol;sounds like my kinda guy 819196;1409738801;BingoBoingo;jdanks RagnarDanneskjol: either of you ever go gar fishing? 819197;1409738816;jdanks;Apparently if you build it, you may also make them come. gar? 819198;1409738837;jdanks;I wanna go catch some baby tuna. We got an El Nino swell goin on 819199;1409738843;BingoBoingo;jdanks: Gar, older than dinosaurs. Tastier too. 819200;1409738864;jdanks;I assume they taste like ass as opposed to shit? 819201;1409738882;RagnarDanneskjol;I grew up on east coast -barrier island, caught plenty of those. scary suckers 819202;1409738890;RagnarDanneskjol;didnt think they edible 819203;1409738915;BingoBoingo;jdanks: Decent substitute in crabcakes for crab. Just clear divide between edible an inedible meat on gar 819204;1409738962;mircea_popescu; Still better than risperidone which makes me produce dairy like a moo cow while trembling liek micheal J fox. << wait you actually were speaking out of experience ?! 819205;1409738962;BingoBoingo;The good parts of gar taste divine. The bad parts don't taste like, but actually are poison. 819206;1409739015;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: On a spectrum. 819207;1409739037;BingoBoingo;Swiftly asked for lithium instead 819208;1409739077;mircea_popescu;jdanks> (: I love chickens, they are pretty hilarious to watch sometimes. They do create drama for themselves haha << now this is true. 819209;1409739085;mircea_popescu;which is how young women ended up being called chicks. 819210;1409739098;assbot;Last 5 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/34A15W5.txt ) 819211;1409739098;BingoBoingo;!b 5 819212;1409739246;jdanks;Can't seem to find the vid http://img1.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20090725194128/familyguy/images/9/92/The_View.jpg 819213;1409739313;BingoBoingo;jdanks: Maybe you ask the wrong question? 819214;1409739348;jdanks;This one will suffice http://youtu.be/cAVmP16ktY4 819215;1409739349;assbot;The View Chicken Show - YouTube 819216;1409739380;jdanks;Oh boy I'm tired. postin useless vids. To bed! 819217;1409739464;BingoBoingo;And this is the reason I trust the Jer0d Poore guy 819218;1409739518;punkman;mhmm I want to smoke some fish now, you guys are making me hungry 819219;1409739550;BingoBoingo;" Posted Today, 01:21 AM 819220;1409739551;BingoBoingo;I gave up on that, but thanks. It would be like trying to document the goings on of the NSA. 819221;1409739551;BingoBoingo;There is 3 dimensional chess occuring in Europe right now between Western Europe, Putin and the relative absence of the US. Pretty much everyone is pissed at / keeping an eye on Americans who are career US gvt. (Never fear - we were military and are now Contractors - no 3 letter agencies here...). 819222;1409739551;BingoBoingo;The difficulty is, if you've lived this life (and not been a stupid git going la la la in a bubble) for a long time, you learn to do certain things on auto pilot that, to someone looking for a "suspicious person" may ring bells. e.g. Take different routes, stay very aware of surroundings and people, avoid cameras (who the hell wants to be on the internet besides Jerod?), and for God's sake, sit facing the door of the restaurant! 819223;1409739554;BingoBoingo;These things were common place for military people during the Cold War and then people just kind of... forgot. Well, welcome to the new world order: it's the same as the old one, it never went away - people just stopped paying attention. Some people, anyway. 819224;1409739558;BingoBoingo;Life is remarkably similar to old Robert Ludlum novels. Unfortunately. 819225;1409739560;BingoBoingo;D 819226;1409739564;BingoBoingo;" -- another paranoid forumer 819227;1409739641;punkman;I'm thinking doradas and citrus wood 819228;1409739697;BingoBoingo;I'm thinking ben_vulpes is confused screaming I wought to leave while seeing no reason to expatriate himself 819229;1409740023;chetty;I wonder what % of people who notice the on coming train and thing, hey I should get out of the way actually do? 819230;1409740037;mircea_popescu;that guy is a spook if there ever was one. 819231;1409740071;chetty;Probably not many if it involves moving their stuff 819232;1409740132;BingoBoingo;The -D who signed that text wall is an expatirated 'Murcan in Prussia is I recall correctly 819233;1409740171;mircea_popescu;i hear a quite distinct fear in the voice of these people. 819234;1409740178;mircea_popescu;a new found fear. 819235;1409740736;mircea_popescu;in other news, http://girls.twistys.com/preview/totm/09-2014/p05/p/09.jpg 819236;1409740862;*;RagnarDanneskjol zooms in, wonders if thats bleached or just saliva 819237;1409740906;*;BingoBoingo wonders how Discus fish got to be a pool name sake 819238;1409740908;mircea_popescu;saliva. 819239;1409740920;BingoBoingo;few creatures in nature are more fragile 819240;1409740983;mircea_popescu;she's displaying perfect technique there too, that's how you take these shots : with the tosser's tongue on the outer rim, obscuring all that perianal melanin. 819241;1409741106;cazalla;what's with the sore across from clit and down a bit? 819242;1409741139;RagnarDanneskjol;oh yea -good eyes 819243;1409741249;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33150 @ 0.0008427 = 27.9355 BTC [-] 819244;1409741310;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11700 @ 0.00084289 = 9.8618 BTC [+] 819245;1409741371;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 179 @ 0.17708859 = 31.6989 BTC [-] {11} 819246;1409741626;BingoBoingo;http://www.crazymeds.us/CrazyTalk/index.php/topic/26704-i-need-to-pick-your-brains-neurotransmitter-questions/#entry170088 819247;1409741628;assbot;I Need To Pick Your Brains... Neurotransmitter Questions - Know Your Neurotransmitters - Crazy Talk: The Crazymeds Forum 819248;1409741676;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8500 @ 0.00084175 = 7.1549 BTC [-] 819249;1409741853;BingoBoingo;https://twitter.com/BBoingo/status/507120154481033216 819250;1409741854;assbot;Forcing specification through mutually disjunct implementations is the best we get. http://t.co/a6C84D4jvF /hashtag/bitcoin?src=hash-assets 819251;1409741920;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 30 @ 0.17583162 = 5.2749 BTC [-] {13} 819252;1409742103;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 13140 @ 0.00004912 = 0.6454 BTC [-] {12} 819253;1409742692;Azelphur;kakobrekla / any other op, moriarty is back to his old pm spamming antics in here. 819254;1409742722;BingoBoingo;Azelphur: Demon, summon the spamming demon! 819255;1409742725;Azelphur;and after saying ^, he's CTCP spamming me :P 819256;1409742758;BingoBoingo;moriarty do you read this plaintext? 819257;1409742804;BingoBoingo;Manifest yourself moriarty in this IRC chan, or choke on your text for 7 or 8 eternities 819258;1409742811;BingoBoingo;I'm not that picky 819259;1409743110;BingoBoingo;!up bitstein 819260;1409743121;BingoBoingo;Hello bitstein 819261;1409743130;bitstein;Hey BingoBoingo 819262;1409743143;BingoBoingo;Long time no see 819263;1409743184;bitstein;ha, yea. i have a lot of logs to catch up on. 819264;1409743201;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 101 @ 0.15035248 = 15.1856 BTC [-] {11} 819265;1409743278;BingoBoingo;bitstein: Indeed you do, but so does Pierre 819266;1409743339;BingoBoingo;I mean bitstein people here are making bold claims; http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/2014/09/03/the-systemd-war-is-over/ AND you may be lost on the evidence 819267;1409743340;assbot;The Systemd war is over | Bingo Blog 819268;1409743403;BingoBoingo;!up tris 819269;1409743520;BingoBoingo;bitstein: I dunno if you've realized yet, but as the S* N* Institute you need to take bold jumps 819270;1409743551;bitstein;such as? 819271;1409743663;BingoBoingo;bitstein: Such as declaring limits to systemd's progress in the linuxscape 819272;1409743696;BingoBoingo;You've got a good thing, your master gave it a good name. 819273;1409743717;BingoBoingo;Don't fight it 819274;1409743895;BingoBoingo;Kunta, if you aren't going to contest Toby as your new name you might as well just pick nubbins' cotton so he can focus on interesting t-shirts 819275;1409743992;BingoBoingo;A Proud stand https://twitter.com/BBoingo/status/507129087409012736 819276;1409743993;assbot;/evilgjb as of last week ALL processes have ppid==1 to bring the /hashtag/systemd?src=hash experience to /hashtag/FreeBSD?src=hash 819277;1409744008;bitstein;“Hearnia†made me lol 819278;1409744013;BingoBoingo;@karinjiri Fuck you in your asshole. Runlevel 4 or die motherfucker. Eat my shit you cock sucking shitmonger. @mwlauthor @evilgjb 819279;1409744028;BingoBoingo;Hearnia is true 819280;1409744080;BingoBoingo;bitstein: Have you ever dealt with a truely grave pelvic injury? 819281;1409744101;bitstein;nope 819282;1409744108;BingoBoingo;Hearnia just opens the story 819283;1409744147;BingoBoingo;bitstein: Did you also see the thing where the FBI showed up on my front door? 819284;1409744189;bitstein;No, I have been out of the loop for the past month. That’s crazy. What happened? 819285;1409744303;pankkake;that systemd article is ridiculous… 819286;1409744353;BingoBoingo;bitstein: http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/2014/08/25/a-law-enforcement-encounter-if-you-ran-a-bitcoin-related-service-before-the-thing-hit-100-you-prolly-ought-to-be-somewhat-concerned-andor-prepared/ happened for starters 819287;1409744355;assbot;A Law Enforcement Encounter: If you ran a Bitcoin related service before the thing hit $100 you prolly ought to be somewhat concerned and/or prepared | Bingo Blog 819288;1409744373;BingoBoingo;pankkake: systemd is the devil 819289;1409744391;BingoBoingo;And not the good devil like I lovingly worship 819290;1409744400;pankkake;care to formulate an actual technical critic? other than the usual uninformed bullshit 819291;1409744452;BingoBoingo;pankkake: I like having metric fucktons of knobs to turn on the way to runlevel 4. Systemd precludes that. 819292;1409744479;pankkake;I can't wait until Debian finally trashes its init system. the thing can't even tell you reliably if a daemon is running 819293;1409744483;BingoBoingo;.'. Systemd is worse than the cotton gin 819294;1409744490;pankkake;yeah, the usual bullshit 819295;1409744501;pankkake;have you actually tried to use it? 819296;1409744502;BingoBoingo;It shouldn't reliable be able to tell you so 819297;1409744510;pankkake;lol 819298;1409744520;BingoBoingo;It SHOULD be mystery meat 819299;1409744550;BingoBoingo;A/UX worked, Solaris up to version 8 worked, FUCK DEBIAN! 819300;1409744581;pankkake;so that's basically hipsterism 819301;1409744616;BingoBoingo;pankkake: No, I am the fucking Pat Buchanan of computing. 819302;1409744659;BingoBoingo;I'm fucking paleo. 819303;1409744670;chetty;never update until the update has been out in wide use for at least a year 819304;1409744696;pankkake;wake me up if you ever have a technical argument, and actually used the thing. I have written enough init scripts to know what's what 819305;1409744726;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13200 @ 0.00084175 = 11.1111 BTC [-] 819306;1409744734;BingoBoingo;pankkake: So what makes AIX the shit while IRIX sucks shit? 819307;1409744757;BingoBoingo;These are primordial questions, born of the mud 819308;1409744818;BingoBoingo;sanity comes later, wrestle with some elder gods 819309;1409744865;punkman;http://boycottsystemd.org/ 819310;1409744866;assbot;boycott systemd 819311;1409744867;mircea_popescu; “Hearnia” made me lol << me too, actually. 819312;1409744870;punkman;how about those 819313;1409744963;mircea_popescu;soo... canonical is spawning a whole new windnux ? 819314;1409744984;mircea_popescu;!up bitspill 819315;1409744986;pankkake;punkman: yeah, they're retards 819316;1409744988;mircea_popescu;!up bitstein 819317;1409745024;mircea_popescu;"We do recognize the need for a new init system in the 21st century, but systemd is not it." 819318;1409745027;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: systemd-ism explains the nigbuntu suck 819319;1409745043;mircea_popescu;i musta missed that memo. what's so special about this 21st century that it can't eat the same oatmeal all the other 58 coming before it did ? 819320;1409745134;mircea_popescu;"1. systemd flies in the face of the Unix philosophy: "do one thing and do it well," representing a complex collection of dozens of tightly coupled binaries1. Its responsibilities grossly exceed that of an init system, as it goes on to handle power management, device management, mount points, cron, disk encryption, socket API/inetd, syslog, network configuration, login/session management, readahead, GPT partition disco 819321;1409745134;mircea_popescu;very, container registration, hostname/locale/time management, and other things." 819322;1409745136;mircea_popescu;ahahhaha. 819323;1409745152;mircea_popescu;no prng ? but why not :D 819324;1409745177;pankkake;except the distros init systems actually do that 819325;1409745205;pankkake;so, retards with no idea what they are talking about 819326;1409745240;pankkake;again, come back when you have used the things, and tried to do basic sysadmin stuff with those 819327;1409745250;mircea_popescu;systemd's journal files (handled by journald) are stored in a complicated binary format2, and must be queried using journalctl. This makes journal logs potentially corruptible, as they do not have ACID-compliant transactions. You typically don't want that to happen to your syslogs. The advice of the systemd developers? Ignore it. No, seriously. Oh, and there's embedded HTTP server integration (libmicrohttpd). QR codes 819328;1409745250;mircea_popescu;are served, as well, through libqrencode. 819329;1409745259;mircea_popescu;libmircohttpd ? srsly ? 819330;1409745398;mircea_popescu;By default, systemd saves core dumps to the journal, instead of the file system. Core dumps must be explicitly queried using coredumpctl4. Besides going against all reason, it also creates complications in multi-user environments (good luck running gdb on your program's core dump if it's dumped to the journal and you don't have root access) 819331;1409745402;mircea_popescu;ahahaha who the fuck designed this 819332;1409745457;pankkake;have you actually checked the validity of this list? 819333;1409745460;mircea_popescu;i mean sure, the "journal gets corrupted, fuck you, we're not fixing it" i can see. but then... dump all cores into it ? 819334;1409745476;mircea_popescu;pankkake i have nfi, this is my checking process. does it suck ? 819335;1409745502;pankkake;yeah, I don't know why I bother... 819336;1409745505;BingoBoingo;pankkake: I still like Solaris 8 819337;1409745527;pankkake;there's "like" and "I have to actually do things with it" 819338;1409745538;pankkake;seriously, is this a joke? 819339;1409745550;mircea_popescu;pankkake which part ? 819340;1409745572;pankkake;the part of jumping of the "systemd is bad" bandwagon without any knowledge whatsoever 819341;1409745587;BingoBoingo;pankkake: this is *nix world, everything works! 819342;1409745594;pankkake;... 819343;1409745596;punkman;pankkake: well I have no clue, but is it that systemd is not retarded, or that the alternatives suck 819344;1409745604;mircea_popescu;"It's also worth noting that systemd will refuse to start as a user instance, unless the system boots with it as well" 819345;1409745606;mircea_popescu;herp. 819346;1409745660;mircea_popescu;pankkake so far i see some glaringly bad design decisions (core in journal, srsly ?) and some meat to the "they're trying to hijack linux" allegations. (srsly, this shit is too good to run as a user instance ?) 819347;1409745685;mircea_popescu;i don't particularly give a shit anyway, not like i;ve been seriously contemplating running contemporary distros anywhere anyway. 819348;1409745711;mircea_popescu;"systemd clusters itself into PID 1. Due to it controlling lots of different components, this means that there are tons of scenarios in which it can crash and bring down the whole system. But in addition, this means that plenty of non-kernel system upgrades will now require a reboot." 819349;1409745714;mircea_popescu;how about that one roflmao. 819350;1409745743;mircea_popescu;srsly, it does all that AND it does it all as a single pid, AND it fixes which pid ? help me rwanda, what is this, microshit's fired a lot of "engineers" ? 819351;1409745748;chetty;sounds like windows 819352;1409745758;pankkake;init systems are PID 1... 819353;1409745761;pankkake;fucking fuck 819354;1409745771;pankkake;what am I even doing here? 819355;1409745803;assbot;Last 9 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/3VZ7P65.txt ) 819356;1409745803;BingoBoingo;!b 9 819357;1409745804;mircea_popescu;o.O 819358;1409745840;mircea_popescu;dude, init systems that hijack the core dumping process, control the power settings and disk fucking encryption all together aren't "init systems" in the vein of what you're thinking of. 819359;1409745868;mircea_popescu;and why's he so touchy anyway. 819360;1409745934;mircea_popescu;"11. Ultimately, systemd's parasitism is symbolic of something more than systemd itself. It shows a radical shift in thinking by the Linux community. Not necessarily a positive one, either. One that is vehemently postmodern, monolithic, heavily desktop-oriented, choice-limiting, isolationist, reinvents the flat tire, and just a huge anti-pattern in general. If your goal is to pander to the lowest common denominator, so 819361;1409745934;mircea_popescu;be it. We will look for alternatives, however." << there's definitely some substance to that. 819362;1409745988;punkman;http://www.theregister.co.uk/2014/04/05/torvalds_sievers_dust_up/ 819363;1409745988;assbot;Torvalds rails at Linux developer: 'I'm f*cking tired of your code' The Register 819364;1409746006;mircea_popescu;what again ? 819365;1409746012;mircea_popescu;no, that's the same april thing. ok os ? 819366;1409746069;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9876 @ 0.00084289 = 8.3244 BTC [+] 819367;1409746140;mircea_popescu;https://wiki.ubuntu.com/systemd << not even ubuntu uses it o.O 819368;1409746141;assbot;systemd - Ubuntu Wiki 819369;1409746153;punkman;not yet at least 819370;1409746198;mircea_popescu;well ubuntu is imo the drain of the linux world. all shit will eventually end up in there, 819371;1409746249;mircea_popescu;"It's really sad that things like this get elevated to this kind of situation, and I personally find it annoying that it's always the same f*cking prima donna involved," Torvalds wrote. 819372;1409746260;mircea_popescu;apparently systemd devs have all the love and support they could use lol. 819373;1409746292;mircea_popescu;;;later tell pankkake srsly, the odds of me coming to an opinion contrary of torvalds' on topix of linuxness are maybe null. wtf. 819374;1409746293;gribble;The operation succeeded. 819375;1409746360;pankkake;ubuntu doesn't use systemd because it's shit 819376;1409746370;pankkake;nor is torvalds against systemd 819377;1409746384;pankkake;and init systems DO handle encryption, network setup 819378;1409746401;pankkake;it's a bunch of shell scripts that do just that 819379;1409746412;mircea_popescu;well yes, but these seem a bunch of binaries instead ? 819380;1409746440;pankkake;yes, and? 819381;1409746452;pankkake;I'm sick and tired of talking in riddles 819382;1409746472;mircea_popescu;if i don't like what a script does, i edit it. if i don't like what a binary does, i ... ? 819383;1409746491;pankkake;you edit your init system really? 819384;1409746516;mircea_popescu;i edit everything. i actually learned to program by randomly poking and peeking in the z80 memory. 819385;1409746562;mircea_popescu;but anyway, systemd is what, the pulseaudio guy and this guy, right ? 819386;1409746620;mircea_popescu;anyway, the whole dram seems to me ts'o and mebbe torvalds hating on sievers and maybe poettering. 819387;1409746628;mircea_popescu;is there more than meets the eye ? 819388;1409746853;BingoBoingo;!up bitstein 819389;1409746922;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: as i understand, the chinese 'wot' is their... genealogical tree. and i'm not certain that they'd see out wot as other than noise even were they to get out of that stage. (and why ought they) <<< this seems akin to saying poles are stupid, to me. 819390;1409746958;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: Then why did the smart poles get that radiation poisoning 819391;1409746978;mircea_popescu;which ? 819392;1409747024;mircea_popescu;X-Rob: I consider myself vindicated << lol didn't even take that much! 819393;1409747070;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo: !up tatinportland << i read this as "tart in poland" first. 819394;1409747098;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: The curies were poles weren't they. Also the poles are pretty much all of the pale left in Chiraq 819395;1409747126;mircea_popescu;well... they were "french" 819396;1409747242;BingoBoingo;Not pankkake french 819397;1409747266;BingoBoingo;Or like systemd radiation would have been still moar trendy 819398;1409747539;BingoBoingo;What I am seriously curious about is why does no other person in BTC have a cool story to tell about their FBI encounter? 819399;1409747567;BingoBoingo;Are Charlie and Erik that afraid? 819400;1409747614;mircea_popescu;what'd you have them say ? 819401;1409747618;BingoBoingo;Or do I price my liberty too cheaply? Or do I overestimate my oratory skill too much? 819402;1409747636;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: Just, Hey dudes, FBI showed up. 819403;1409747654;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: Just an acknowledgement of an encounter. 819404;1409747679;mircea_popescu;im pretty sure there were pix of shrem's encounter(s) 819405;1409747728;BingoBoingo;At the airport when he was getting cuffed maybe, or are you refering to the bong thing I own none of. 819406;1409747776;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 48750 @ 0.00084505 = 41.1962 BTC [+] {3} 819407;1409747902;BingoBoingo;Agent Broachwala, you may find this weird, but I'll stand by http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/2014/09/03/the-systemd-war-is-over/ longer than I'll stand by most of my baseball blog posts 819408;1409747902;assbot;The Systemd war is over | Bingo Blog 819409;1409747996;mircea_popescu;o look, there's an entire systemd discussion in teh log. 819410;1409748009;BingoBoingo;Indeed there is 819411;1409748021;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform: there is a concerted effort to replace certain things with... various other things. <<< obligatory https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5ixeRWrg0yg 819412;1409748022;assbot;Monty Python: Royal Society For Putting Things on Top of Other Things - YouTube 819413;1409748211;BingoBoingo;pankkake: You know what works with systemV init? A/UX 819414;1409748384;BingoBoingo;So I joined random channel suggested by a spammer banned before I could post there but conversation with another person there: 819415;1409748398;BingoBoingo;BingoBoingo> I'm from southern Illinois. 819416;1409748398;BingoBoingo; :) 819417;1409748399;BingoBoingo; what have new in Ilinois? 819418;1409748399;BingoBoingo; Oh, I'm trying to move further south in the state, but if I can't find a uni job I might go expatriate first 819419;1409748399;BingoBoingo; Also Chicag still sounds worse than Iraq 819420;1409748400;BingoBoingo; And now Ferguson on the other side of te river seems almost as bad as Chiraq 819421;1409748402;BingoBoingo; what is happening in Chichago? 819422;1409748404;BingoBoingo; Oh just niggers shooting each other, the usual 819423;1409748406;BingoBoingo; huh... 819424;1409748408;BingoBoingo; Seriously, it's why I like living south of I-70, put some distance between myself and that. 819425;1409748537;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo you know last time someone did this they ended up having to put coinz in the hat. 819426;1409748596;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: Don't worry, I already mentioned the Federal task force looking over my plaintext shoulder in pm. 819427;1409748627;mircea_popescu;i mean failing to use a pastebin, 819428;1409748699;BingoBoingo;https://twitter.com/BBoingo/status/507148870238085120 819429;1409748700;assbot;/mwlauthor You wrote the openbsd book, mind joining /hashtag/bitcoin?src=hash-assets for a bit on freenode? 819430;1409748705;BingoBoingo;Ah 819431;1409748707;mircea_popescu;decimation: after all, wouldn't you like to tie your boot process with opaque silicon? << you, of course not. the silicon marketeers, of course yes. the great tablet experiment has everyone salivating. 819432;1409748722;mircea_popescu;i blame the dumbass us consumers, but hey, what difference does it make. 819433;1409748776;BingoBoingo;I'll search for the hat when I sober up. Just juggling a bunch of foreigners atm 819434;1409748787;chetty;there are dumbass consumers everywhere, unfortunately not limited to us 819435;1409748874;mircea_popescu;yeah, but most of them are fortunate enough to be poor, and lucky enough to live in countries that aren't built like the inside of a cattle ranch. 819436;1409748883;mircea_popescu;these two may be related. 819437;1409749056;*;BingoBoingo awaits the Trilema post analysing angry birds, which to my knowledge is still the canonical touch screen game 819438;1409749086;mircea_popescu;kinda unlikely. 819439;1409749178;BingoBoingo;I thought you spent the last month finger fucking the shit out of i* games 819440;1409749221;mircea_popescu;sure, but not shitty ones. 819441;1409749227;mircea_popescu;"From the start, my revelations on this blog about Red Hat’s deep control of Linux, along with their large corporate/government connections, hasn’t been just about spying, but about losing the distributed engineering quality of Linux, with Red Hat centralizing control. Yet as an ex-cypherpunk and crypto software developer, as soon as I started using Linux years ago, I noted that all the major distributions used wat 819442;1409749227;mircea_popescu;ered-down encryption (to use stronger encryption in many areas, such as AES-loop, you needed to compile your own kernel and go to great lengths to manually bypass barriers they put in place to the use of genuinely strong encryption). This told me then that those who controlled distributions were deeply in the pockets of intelligence networks. So it comes as no surprise to me that they jumped on board systemd when told 819443;1409749227;mircea_popescu;to, despite the mock choice publicized to users – there was never any option." 819444;1409749235;mircea_popescu;http://igurublog.wordpress.com/2014/04/08/julian-assange-debian-is-owned-by-the-nsa/ << check out angry guy. 819445;1409749237;assbot;Julian Assange: Debian Is Owned By The NSA « IgnorantGuru's Blog 819446;1409749259;mircea_popescu;stuff like that'd be so much better explicitly stated... 819447;1409749388;BingoBoingo;True 819448;1409749441;BingoBoingo;I'm just amazed I've spent ~12 hours now at just the right BAC to pontificate on *nix'y things 819449;1409749471;Azelphur;so, I had a fun week \o/ 819450;1409749486;BingoBoingo;Including the part where 68040's were not Mac's 819451;1409749489;BingoBoingo;Hey Azelphur 819452;1409749496;mircea_popescu;"As for the algorithms themselves, the math, many like DSA are actually overtly designed by the NSA, so you can be sure they know how to break them, or they wouldn’t offer them. Others are probably expensive but crackable in high-interest cases (we’re talking quantum computers at their disposal). For anything super-critical I think a one-time pad is the only guarantee, and make sure your RNG works!" 819453;1409749497;mircea_popescu;nutcase. 819454;1409749505;Azelphur;tried ownCloud, added some missing features, their team are all like "Oh, we'll pay for your costs to go to Berlin and come to our conference" 819455;1409749514;mircea_popescu;nice. 819456;1409749515;Azelphur;was awesome :P 819457;1409749529;Azelphur;so apparently I'm like, the posterchild for ownCloud now 819458;1409749554;BingoBoingo;Azelphur: Owncloud seems like a iCloud/Dropbox marketing stunt 819459;1409749568;BingoBoingo;And why am I not invited to this shit. 819460;1409749570;Azelphur;BingoBoingo: it's nothing to do with them beyond that it's similar 819461;1409749595;Azelphur;the easiest way to describe it is open source self hosted Dropbox/iCloud 819462;1409749602;BingoBoingo;Azelphur: No it has everything to do with them because owncloud sucks 819463;1409749615;Azelphur;BingoBoingo: I'm having no problems with it ;) 819464;1409749630;BingoBoingo;Owncloud is missing everything people like about the big names 819465;1409749641;Azelphur;BingoBoingo: like what? I'm implementing missing things. 819466;1409749644;BingoBoingo;even though actual solutions have existed for a long time 819467;1409749649;mircea_popescu;"Anything ECC is currently highly suspicious, not in the least because the math is complex." <<< ah i'm so flattered. so a year or two ago, schneier and the "consensus" i nthe community was that rsa bad, ecc good ; mp was exactly on the other position. 819468;1409749665;BingoBoingo;Azelphur: What about owncloud calendar? 819469;1409749669;mircea_popescu;nowadays it's just about to tip over into sanity. well done scheneir, you win a trip to suck my cock :D 819470;1409749692;Azelphur;BingoBoingo: it has one, uses CalDAV so will integrate with anything else you have, the Calendar rewrite is also nearly finished with a bunch of new features. 819471;1409749695;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo why such a hater! 819472;1409749719;Azelphur;haters gonna hate :P 819473;1409749729;BingoBoingo;Azelphur: Does it work with real Mac OS calendar? 819474;1409749736;Azelphur;BingoBoingo: I believe so, yes. 819475;1409749747;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: Because hate makes me feel alive 819476;1409749752;Azelphur;it all talks CalDAV afaik, but I wouldn't be caught dead on a Mac so... 819477;1409749784;BingoBoingo;Azelphur: Are ypou familiar with my definition of real Mac OS and the machines I still connect to the internet with it? 819478;1409749794;Azelphur;BingoBoingo: no 819479;1409749811;Azelphur;BingoBoingo: CalDAV is an open specification that has been around for ages, if your application doesn't support it it's your application that sucks and not ownCloud 819480;1409749811;BingoBoingo;OS 7.5.1 is the end of the line 819481;1409749833;Azelphur;:P 819482;1409749841;BingoBoingo;Azelphur: I can't help it if computers have onky gone downhill since 1991 819483;1409749854;Azelphur;lol 819484;1409749871;BingoBoingo;I mean software's gotten better. 819485;1409749873;Azelphur;well caldav was only drafted in 2007, so I guess you're out of luck ;) 819486;1409749900;BingoBoingo;You can run XFCE 4.10 on a motorola 68030... 819487;1409749946;BingoBoingo;!up mapop 819488;1409749960;Azelphur;BingoBoingo: I can run XFCE on my phone too :P 819489;1409749982;BingoBoingo;Azelphur: I bet your phone has more than two colors though 819490;1409749991;Azelphur;indeed it does 819491;1409750036;BingoBoingo;Azelphur: You realize this highlights a prime problem wrought by the nternet, right? 819492;1409750052;Azelphur;orly 819493;1409750062;Azelphur;BingoBoingo: I have a friend you'd like, he still has a 486 :P 819494;1409750065;BingoBoingo;Ya rly 819495;1409750074;BingoBoingo;486 is too new 819496;1409750103;BingoBoingo;If that had cred I'd be rolling a 68060 819497;1409750131;BingoBoingo;CISC hit a dead end at the 68030 though 819498;1409750190;Azelphur;lol 819499;1409750203;BingoBoingo;What the internet means though is that some nigga's Mac SE/30 is just as much a first class citizen as sum bitches Samsung galaxy s8 819500;1409750247;mircea_popescu;;;later tell mike_c that's splendid. 819501;1409750247;gribble;The operation succeeded. 819502;1409750284;Azelphur;BingoBoingo: HTC Xperia Optimus XT? 819503;1409750310;BingoBoingo;Azelphur: Dunno the name, but ur mom's prolly older than it. 819504;1409750315;Azelphur;lol 819505;1409750454;BingoBoingo;Azelphur: You just met me, you barely know what hardware I like. How can you presume to make a "cloud" I'd like? 819506;1409750477;BingoBoingo;I mean you can't do worse than Apple at least 819507;1409750479;Azelphur;BingoBoingo: I don't believe I did :) 819508;1409750541;mircea_popescu;Azelphur so are you getting stock options ? 819509;1409750558;Azelphur;mircea_popescu: I haven't really touched investments beyond sitting on bitcoin for a while now 819510;1409750565;BingoBoingo;Azelphur: You mentioned the friend with a 486, if you've ever used a TI-89 you can convert him to saner options 819511;1409750565;Azelphur;I'm bad at it, remember? :P 819512;1409750570;mircea_popescu;nono, i mean, you going to work for this owncloud thing 819513;1409750610;Azelphur;mircea_popescu: oh, no, the tl;dr is that dropbox was annoying me so I switched to ownCloud, which annoyed me because it didn't have file browser integration, so I wrote it 819514;1409750630;mircea_popescu;and they got really excited with you, and paid for your trip over 819515;1409750634;Azelphur;exactly 819516;1409750634;mircea_popescu;you left unemployed ?! 819517;1409750640;Azelphur;yep :< 819518;1409750653;assbot;Last 11 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/2Y7679Y.txt ) 819519;1409750653;BingoBoingo;!b 11 819520;1409750654;mircea_popescu;nuts. 819521;1409750666;Azelphur;mircea_popescu: can't impress these people, learn C++ and port my shit from Python in 2 days... 819522;1409750667;Azelphur;xD 819523;1409750686;mircea_popescu;this is why they want to hire you, logically. 819524;1409750715;Azelphur;mircea_popescu: that said I've got a job offer now anyway from elsewhere, it's not the greatest but it'll do for now 819525;1409750716;mircea_popescu;think for a second. it's a business, right ? it pays for your ticket to come over, that's a job interview. 819526;1409750718;mircea_popescu;what else. 819527;1409750727;BingoBoingo;If only in 2010 MP would have beat me with the truth that no one hires librarians. 819528;1409750739;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo you coulda asked :D 819529;1409750765;Azelphur;mircea_popescu: well if it was a job interview, I solved every single problem, including a pile of everybody elses, turned up at 9am in the morning and left at 8pm every day for a week, I don't think I could have been more perfect if I tried :P 819530;1409750767;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: When MpU is a thing, I'll keep your books from rotting 819531;1409750784;Azelphur;I even solved the problems for other people who were using languages I didn't know on Platforms I hadn't used before 819532;1409750792;mircea_popescu;Azelphur have you tried asking them if they're gonna give you stock options ? :D 819533;1409750798;Azelphur;haha 819534;1409750812;Azelphur;mircea_popescu: I did say I would love a job at ownCloud quite clearly, I think they aren't looking to hire people tbh :) 819535;1409750813;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo i guess you never read 819536;1409750819;mircea_popescu;;;google trilema cartile au murit 819537;1409750820;gribble;Iulie 2010 pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.: ; “Universalism: postwar progressivism as a Christian sect†pe Trilema ...: ; August 2012 pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.: 819538;1409750821;Azelphur;and just wanted me there because the stuff I was doing is cool, which is fine with me 819539;1409750841;mircea_popescu;whole world is upside down i tell you. 819540;1409750845;mircea_popescu;but who knows, maybe you';re right. 819541;1409750865;Azelphur;mircea_popescu: yea, I got this offer from ionCube anyway that I'm probably gonna take 819542;1409750886;mircea_popescu;is tha the php encoding stuff ? 819543;1409750888;Azelphur;yep 819544;1409750907;Azelphur;pay isn't too great but at least it's a start :) 819545;1409750948;Azelphur;tbh all I really want from a job is enough to put a small amount away into BTC every month, then I can retire before too long :P 819546;1409750979;mircea_popescu;:p 819547;1409750993;pankkake;owncloud competitor http://cozy.io/ 819548;1409750993;assbot;Cozy, a personal cloud you can hack, host and delete 819549;1409751008;RagnarDanneskjol;Azelphur - is this you? https://github.com/Azelphur 819550;1409751009;assbot;Azelphur (Azelphur) GitHub 819551;1409751015;Azelphur;pankkake: yea, there are a few 819552;1409751020;Azelphur;RagnarDanneskjol: yup 819553;1409751055;RagnarDanneskjol;I follow your stuff & know some ppl might want to hire you. will email later today or tomorrow 819554;1409751084;RagnarDanneskjol;no reason to take less pay than you're worth 819555;1409751085;Azelphur;RagnarDanneskjol: oh cool, the window is pretty small considering I'm supposed to be starting at IonCube on Monday 819556;1409751096;Azelphur;although contracts aren't signed yet 819557;1409751096;mircea_popescu;RagnarDanneskjol that's an underutilized resource if there was one. the kid is bright. 819558;1409751110;RagnarDanneskjol;oh we;; that is small -when do you need to accept by? 819559;1409751124;Azelphur;RagnarDanneskjol: I dunno, HR hasn't contacted me yet 819560;1409751138;Azelphur;I grumbled at them about the contract because it's a "We own your soul" level evil 819561;1409751145;Azelphur;but we resolved that to some degree 819562;1409751156;RagnarDanneskjol;hold them off for a few days if possible. are you working onsite or is it remote? 819563;1409751170;Azelphur;onsite but their office is only like 30m public transport from me 819564;1409751202;Azelphur;RagnarDanneskjol: my problem is that I have /no/ corporate experience or qualifications, I'm just smart. xD 819565;1409751213;RagnarDanneskjol;ok. might have some descent remote work you can do from home. I'll get back to you latr today 819566;1409751219;Azelphur;ok :) 819567;1409751280;mircea_popescu;pankkake you gonna tell me what the systemd butthurt was all about or just gonna rage silently and then come stab me 119 times in the middle of the night FOR NO FAULT OF MY OWN ? 819568;1409751306;Azelphur;I'd bet on the latter 819569;1409751311;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: That's an awfully chewy Trilema article 819570;1409751356;mircea_popescu;"trilema. chewing gum for your soul." 819571;1409751358;pankkake;just list a valid technical point of why systemd is bad and I'll listen. as I said, the criticism I see just show lack of knowledge of both systemd and existing init systems 819572;1409751384;kakobrekla; mircea_popescu: well if it was a job interview, I solved every single problem, including a pile of everybody elses, turned up at 9am in the morning and left at 8pm every day for a week, I don't think I could have been more perfect if I tried :P < yeah sometime being a jerk hels you not get stuff. 819573;1409751388;mircea_popescu;putting a bunch of binaries with a bunch of dependency hell in the core of the system init process isn't technical ? 819574;1409751391;kakobrekla;helps 819575;1409751418;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: This talk of sweatship printing as a necessity, yes if everything is old trilems! 819576;1409751420;pankkake;you're doing it again 819577;1409751427;Azelphur;kakobrekla: admittedly I've always had trouble walking the trying to help / being a jerk line, in my head I'm always trying to help, but sometimes people don't see it that way. 819578;1409751463;Azelphur;but then, those are usually the type of people who are overly sensitive anyway 819579;1409751477;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo the mps of 2010 wave at you, oh their unknown interlocutor from across the seas. 819580;1409751486;mircea_popescu;pankkake what am i doing!11 eleventeen 819581;1409751498;kakobrekla;if you are sheep, act as the master wants. 819582;1409751505;pankkake;existing init systems are complicated too 819583;1409751511;Azelphur;kakobrekla: I ain't no sheep :) 819584;1409751527;kakobrekla;why you looking to get cut then 819585;1409751529;mircea_popescu;pankkake you know i don't got a call on the topic. so they're complicated, yes. no argument there. 819586;1409751540;Azelphur;kakobrekla: because I need food? :P 819587;1409751545;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: And the mp's of yesteryear exalt blogs so much! 819588;1409751545;mircea_popescu;kakobrekla do you mean sheared ? 819589;1409751546;kakobrekla;sheep it is. 819590;1409751549;Azelphur;lol 819591;1409751558;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 300 @ 0.004 = 1.2 BTC [-] 819592;1409751567;kakobrekla;dude im trolling from my bed, give me some slack 819593;1409751580;mircea_popescu;would you like schlitz on your slacks ? 819594;1409751586;kakobrekla;double. 819595;1409751613;mircea_popescu;btw, anyone seen these wonderful girl pants with a proper zipper ? going from the front all around to two inches over her tailbone ? 819596;1409751632;chetty;ouch 819597;1409751658;mircea_popescu;chetty apparently you zip it with your left hand in cupping your bits lol 819598;1409751662;BingoBoingo;I'm drinking a bottle of Missouri wine, of course I would rahter suck shclitz out of denim 819599;1409751708;chetty;not just zipping, walk around even would be not nice 819600;1409751709;BingoBoingo;pankkake: Init must always be complicated, no reason to steal its knobs 819601;1409751723;pankkake;what does that even mean? 819602;1409751740;mircea_popescu;pankkake complicated/simple is orthogonal to scripted/binary. 819603;1409751765;BingoBoingo;pankkake: Because the Linux standard base lets me use a runlevel 4, systemd doesn't allow that 819604;1409751882;mircea_popescu;if the computer is the shirt, and initd is a tie and systemd is a bowtie, me saying that it's not as easy to hang someone by his bowtie is not answered by your proposition that ties can get stained too. sure, they can, but we were discussing hanging not disembowelment. 819605;1409751889;pankkake;I use OpenRC which have namespaces and binaries, is that evil too? 819606;1409751899;pankkake;nevermind that's it's widely more usable 819607;1409751902;pankkake;it must NEVER CHANGE 819608;1409751911;pankkake;I suppose you guys are using HAL too 819609;1409751912;BingoBoingo;OpenRC is like initd 819610;1409751914;mircea_popescu;pankkake but listen, openrc isn't trying to take over my computer. 819611;1409751930;pankkake;what does that even mean? 819612;1409751939;BingoBoingo;Bowties are fine 819613;1409751945;pankkake;fucking riddles 819614;1409751959;BingoBoingo;Pianowire if you tell me it is a bowtie is not fine 819615;1409751983;mircea_popescu;what do you mean riddles! 819616;1409752087;BingoBoingo;Is the melodic theme from the Godfather a riddle, I'm drunk enough to think I can play that on my euphonium 819617;1409752251;mircea_popescu;pankkake and in spite of the technical angle, what stinks to high heavens to me is the political angle. so gnome decides to not be dependent on systemd in 2012, then in 2013 they make it a de-facto dependency. because... heh. because why ? 819618;1409752265;mircea_popescu;it's clearly being pushed, and that will make people with a working head suspicious these days. 819619;1409752269;BingoBoingo;http://www.armytimes.com/article/20140804/NEWS04/308040019/In-supersecret-cyberwar-game-civilian-sector-techies-pummel-active-duty-cyberwarriors 819620;1409752271;assbot;In supersecret cyberwar game, civilian-sector techies pummel active-duty cyberwarriors | Army Times | armytimes.com 819621;1409752361;BingoBoingo;There are reasons when people persent to me that they use or recommend gnome I suppose they are surrounde with the tools of 2003 819622;1409752503;mircea_popescu;"we designed systemd with security in mind" << by now this is pretty much usable as-is, might as well be a protein binding site for pathogens. 819623;1409752566;mircea_popescu;Yes, systemd is fast (A pretty complete userspace boot-up in ~900ms, anyone?) << yeah ? since I dunno, 1995 ? i've always took the system apart if it needed more than a second. 819624;1409752571;mircea_popescu;it's what it gets to boot. a second. 819625;1409752678;BingoBoingo; "we designed systemd with security in mind" << by now this is pretty much usable as-is, might as well be a protein binding site for pathogens. << Why not a still moar precarious binging site for understood drugs? 819626;1409752711;mircea_popescu;cuz it's evil, that's why. 819627;1409752733;mircea_popescu;"systemd certainly comes with a learning curve. Everything does. However, we like to believe that it is actually simpler to understand systemd than a Shell-based boot for most people. Surprised we say that? Well, as it turns out, Shell is not a pretty language to learn, it's syntax is arcane and complex. systemd unit files are substantially easier to understand, they do not expose a programming language, but are simple 819628;1409752733;mircea_popescu;and declarative by nature. That all said, if you are experienced in shell, then yes, adopting systemd will take a bit of learning." 819629;1409752738;mircea_popescu;no see... he's making all the wrong arguments. 819630;1409752742;Luke-Jr;even I think systemd is crap 819631;1409752747;mircea_popescu;lmao 819632;1409752782;BingoBoingo;Take GABA A as an example, very well understood 819633;1409752784;Azelphur;Everyone is talking about systemd, and I'm just sitting here using runit which nobody knows about. 819634;1409752785;Azelphur;xD 819635;1409752812;mircea_popescu;but srsly, it's easier to understand "For most people" ? like easier than what, like easier than it was for that stupid broad whatever her name was to understand that claiming "fake" on a bunch of pics showing her dressed with her tongue sticking out ain't gonna work ? 819636;1409752823;BingoBoingo;A large number of drugs specifically target GABA A 819637;1409752852;pankkake;he actually refered to what it was easier to learn 819638;1409752872;BingoBoingo;And no drug that specifically targets GABA A can efficiently cause death in an overdose 819639;1409752876;pankkake;I have written inits for systemd, debian, and openrc. have you? 819640;1409752919;mircea_popescu;only debian. 819641;1409752927;mircea_popescu;and taking a charitable view of "written" 819642;1409752929;BingoBoingo;Introduce something other than a benzodiazepine though... 819643;1409752987;BingoBoingo;And then a single molecule of ETOH opens the cholirde channel too wide, death. 819644;1409753016;BingoBoingo;!up Diablo_D3 819645;1409753023;BingoBoingo;!up diana_coman 819646;1409753050;diana_coman;thanks BingoBoingo 819647;1409753055;BingoBoingo;yw 819648;1409753165;mircea_popescu;http://0pointer.de/blog/projects/the-biggest-myths.html << nah, he's not even being honest. 819649;1409753165;assbot;The Biggest Myths 819650;1409753190;mircea_popescu;i mean, he defends against "monolithic" on the grounds of the binary file being split into 69 separate bits. mkay. 819651;1409753192;BingoBoingo;I mean people here get into pissing matches on hardware, who has really check out their wetware? 819652;1409753205;mircea_popescu;then he answers complexity and bloat by claiming... it's monolithic. 819653;1409753217;mircea_popescu;tyvm but i don't enjoy listening to liars that are THAT BAD at it. 819654;1409753327;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 195 @ 0.00425229 = 0.8292 BTC [+] {5} 819655;1409753500;BingoBoingo;Look, the way Bitcoin regulation works is my TI-89 was my favorite computer loving ass said the systemd war is over and initd won. Give it time to stew, but that's the fina word. 819656;1409753509;BingoBoingo;*final 819657;1409753560;BingoBoingo;Now if GNU Hurd was a useful thing in 1991... systemd might be a thing. 819658;1409753584;BingoBoingo;Now though it it just a red hat/nigbuntu annoyance 819659;1409753653;BingoBoingo;The point is that to call systemd a lost cause I need not be important at all 819660;1409753687;BingoBoingo;per even I think systemd is crap 819661;1409753874;mircea_popescu;19. Myth: systemd forces you to do something. systemd is not the mafia. It's Free Software, you can do with it whatever you want, and that includes not using it. That's pretty much the opposite of "forcing". << lol ok, that's about the most disingenuous thing i read today. you know what else is free software ? BITCOIN!!! 819662;1409753881;mircea_popescu;and it also doesn't force you to... oh... wait. 819663;1409753916;BingoBoingo;Systemd distros can go back to the jungle and fuck chimps. 819664;1409753918;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: we call this 'добровольно- принудительно' ('voluntary-compulsory') 819665;1409753923;BingoBoingo;Systemd is over 819666;1409753963;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: if enemy died when you said 'bang! yer dead' life'd be a lot simpler, yes. 819667;1409753989;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: I've never know not that to be the case. 819668;1409754009;mircea_popescu;nah, it's not gonna be over for a while yet. it has... well not so much traction, but plenty o' support. 819669;1409754026;BingoBoingo;Bra's get support 819670;1409754036;mircea_popescu;mansiere! 819671;1409754081;mircea_popescu;Myth: systemd makes it impossible to run syslog. >> Not true, we carefully made sure when we introduced the journal that all data is also passed on to any syslog daemon running. In fact, if something changed, then only that syslog gets more complete data now than it got before, since we now cover early boot stuff as well as STDOUT/STDERR of any system service. 819672;1409754097;BingoBoingo;systemd gets a kilogram of brass. The niggers behind it can decide if the brass is shaped into hammers or bullets. 819673;1409754102;mircea_popescu;this is kind-of bizarre. so, ok, syslogd gets whatever systemd feels like passing along. why is this useful and to whom 819674;1409754141;BingoBoingo;Either way the brass isn't going to spark, because that's just what brass does. 819675;1409754298;pankkake;we now cover early boot stuff as well as STDOUT/STDERR of any system service => since again I am the only one here who actually used the things, this is absolutely crucial 819676;1409754310;mircea_popescu;o look, there's #systemd 819677;1409754323;pankkake;daemon crashes, the output goes nowhere 819678;1409754323;mircea_popescu;pankkake that's a good thing, granted. 819679;1409754354;mircea_popescu;i'll take a bet you're not the only guy here that ever used the things, for any value of things tho. 819680;1409754380;pankkake;that's what the log points to 819681;1409754409;mircea_popescu;lol "No, it can't read mail...yet". a sense o' humor never hurt anyone. 819682;1409754417;BingoBoingo; cool, now that its un-prefixed from systemd people are meant to use it anyway so might as well make it useful :D 819683;1409754427;BingoBoingo;^^ Nigga speak 819684;1409754446;pankkake;and as a Gentoo user I don't feel "trapped" so no delusion one way or the other 819685;1409754491;BingoBoingo;pankkake: Anything that gives me less knobs than a mid 80's GUI is hell 819686;1409754505;pankkake;care to describe the "knobs"? 819687;1409754519;BingoBoingo;pankkake: Runlevel4 819688;1409754524;mircea_popescu;"We regularly attend various conferences, to collect feedback, to explain what we are doing and why, like few others do." << intereskin. 819689;1409754525;pankkake;... 819690;1409754538;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo what are you so fixated on that anyway. what's it do for you ? 819691;1409754559;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: In the linux standard base it is a user defined runlevel 819692;1409754586;mircea_popescu;anything other than 0 1 and what was it, 7. 819693;1409754607;mircea_popescu;no, 6. 819694;1409754622;BingoBoingo;Oh, just anything you care to force upon your boxen 819695;1409754633;pankkake;so you want your one custom integer runlevel compared to an infinity of named runlevels? 819696;1409754676;BingoBoingo;pankkake: Yes, because that one runlevel can represent itself aleph sub 0 runlevels 819697;1409754738;mircea_popescu;For example, systems running systemd now generally store their hostname in /etc/hostname, something that used to be specific to Debian and now is used across distributions. << holy hell that took half a century. 819698;1409754765;BingoBoingo;If you pretend systemd lives on an arch that can count aleph sub one possibilities Imma take my dick out and correct in in the traditional chinese sense 819699;1409754885;mircea_popescu;Myth: systemd's use of D-Bus instead of sockets makes it intransparent. This claim is already contradictory in itself: D-Bus uses sockets as transport, too. Hence whenever D-Bus is used to send something around, a socket is used for that too. D-Bus is mostly a standardized serialization of messages to send over these sockets. If anything this makes it more transparent, since this serialization is well documented, under 819700;1409754885;mircea_popescu;stood and there are numerous tracing tools and language bindings for it. This is very much unlike the usual homegrown protocols the various classic UNIX daemons use to communicate locally. 819701;1409754895;mircea_popescu;now that's a good fucking point, jesus it took a while to get to one. 819702;1409754946;BingoBoingo;As there is no uncountably infinite 0x in computing machines, there may be a lot of rapin to do to correct everybody. 819703;1409754982;BingoBoingo;Thankfully viagra is not a controlled sunstance 819704;1409754988;BingoBoingo;*substance 819705;1409755130;kakobrekla;http://news.nationalpost.com/2014/08/31/inside-noiva-do-cordeiro-a-remote-brazilian-village-where-nearly-all-the-residents-are-women/ 819706;1409755132;assbot;Inside Noiva do Cordeiro a remote Brazilian village where nearly all the residents are women | National Post 819707;1409755146;BingoBoingo;systemd has 24 months to learn the silence that the spring lambs can't 819708;1409755218;BingoBoingo;In 25 months starfish bleed 819709;1409755343;mircea_popescu;http://0pointer.net/blog/revisiting-how-we-put-together-linux-systems.html << lengthy story (from the guy that earlier claimed they're not a cabal, of course) explaining how the future of linux is being windows. 819710;1409755343;assbot;Revisiting How We Put Together Linux Systems 819711;1409755347;mircea_popescu;the best quote in there, 819712;1409755352;mircea_popescu;"The classic Linux distribution scheme is frequently not what end users want, either. Many users are used to app markets like Android, Windows or iOS/Mac have. " 819713;1409755378;BingoBoingo;http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/2dw1wl/nakamoto_institute_scam/cjtmb7r 819714;1409755379;assbot;total_product_recall comments on Nakamoto Institute Scam? 819715;1409755398;mircea_popescu;well, this has been an informative adventure into how the modern day macdonalds location manager lives and breathes, but i guess i've had enough. 819716;1409755445;BingoBoingo;Amazing thing is most of Android's libc comes from OpenBSD in spite of the Linux kernel 819717;1409755451;BingoBoingo;Or COlnel 819718;1409755471;BingoBoingo;Whatever the chicken licking niggas do now a days 819719;1409755506;pankkake;there's no libc in the linux kernel… 819720;1409755526;BingoBoingo;But to compile it? 819721;1409755585;mircea_popescu;pankkake saywut ?! glibc ? 819722;1409755609;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: Join systemd again. 819723;1409755621;pankkake;it doesn't provide one 819724;1409755632;BingoBoingo;I want someone to measure how long I can spout truth/crazy 819725;1409755645;pankkake;nor does bionic come from openbsd 819726;1409755655;pankkake;this whole discussion is such a joke 819727;1409755676;BingoBoingo;!up providers36 819728;1409755686;providers36;thk 819729;1409755750;mircea_popescu;pankkake you mean like, separate from the gnu ? 819730;1409755757;mircea_popescu;if memory serves they tried and failed in the 90s. 819731;1409755777;pankkake;tried what? 819732;1409755789;mircea_popescu;a glibc forc 819733;1409755791;mircea_popescu;fork* 819734;1409756082;BingoBoingo;So... systemd chan might not have someone capable of banning me 819735;1409756109;mircea_popescu;pankkake as to the other matter, say http://undeadly.org/cgi?action=article&sid=20140506132000 819736;1409756109;assbot;Android's C Library Has 173 Files of Unchanged OpenBSD Code 819737;1409756194;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 4 @ 0.18 = 0.72 BTC [+] 819738;1409756648;mircea_popescu;!up mapop 819739;1409756681;BingoBoingo;Trolling #systemd is like slaughtering lemmings 819740;1409756756;Azelphur;Trolling is for people who don't have important things like code to write :P 819741;1409756757;BingoBoingo;http://dpaste.com/23ZA2W6 819742;1409756758;assbot;dpaste: 23ZA2W6 819743;1409756760;mircea_popescu;eh what are you bothering people for. 819744;1409756798;Azelphur;BingoBoingo: haha, small world, I know Raydiation in person :) 819745;1409756820;BingoBoingo; Systemd is the devil 819746;1409756821;BingoBoingo; sure it is. but not for any of the reasons that you can come up with. 819747;1409756821;BingoBoingo; BingoBoingo: so go and ignore systemd 819748;1409756821;BingoBoingo; linux is mostly opensource, you are free to do whatever you want 819749;1409756821;BingoBoingo; zdzichu: No until you stop insisting all the world make systemd a dependency. Stop making my niggers pick your cotton!!! 819750;1409756868;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: I b0other them so the know their hitpoints later 819751;1409756894;mircea_popescu;you're not even doing a good jbo of it, this is like the weakest sauce trolling ever 819752;1409756916;mircea_popescu; he sounds a lot like this hacker, '4chan,' I read about on the news yesterday << lmao. 819753;1409756939;BingoBoingo;But it has great predictive value 819754;1409756992;BingoBoingo;Who knows? Maybe now that the FBI has seen it it stops liking systemd? 819755;1409757003;BingoBoingo;I mean chicoms 819756;1409757008;BingoBoingo;Everywhere 819757;1409757215;BingoBoingo;http://games.slashdot.org/story/14/09/03/0021222/changing-the-rules-of-a-15-year-old-game-quake-live-update-causes-controversy << WHy sytemd can't live 819758;1409757216;assbot;Changing the Rules of a 15-Year-Old Game: Quake Live Update Causes Controversy - Slashdot 819759;1409757557;BingoBoingo;!up providers36 819760;1409757605;providers36;thanks 819761;1409757617;BingoBoingo;The sad thing about systemd is that even though red hat made it, ubuntu will fork it just because, and it will die. No serious intervention ought be necessary for this Hearnia 819762;1409757773;BingoBoingo;http://deadspin.com/reports-wes-welker-suspended-four-games-for-amphetamin-1629795049 819763;1409757774;assbot;Wes Welker Suspended Four Games For Amphetamines (And Maybe Molly, Too) 819764;1409757867;BingoBoingo;Wes Welker is sytemd 819765;1409758220;BingoBoingo; BingoBoingo: haha, small world, I know Raydiation in person :) << Let them know it isn't about them. It is Microsoft. 819766;1409758263;thestringpuller;mircea_popescu: you ever play dwarf fortress 819767;1409758277;mircea_popescu;nop 819768;1409758313;thestringpuller;;;later tell nubbins` just roll it like a blunt 819769;1409758314;gribble;The operation succeeded. 819770;1409758329;thestringpuller;;;google cracked dwarf fortress 819771;1409758330;gribble;Dwarf Fortress | Cracked.com: ; xkcd • View topic - You gotta get into Dwarf Fortress if you haven ...: ; How To Get Into Dwarf Fortress | Press X or Die: 819772;1409758902;BingoBoingo;http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/09/02/gynecological-cancer-survey-eve-appeal_n_5754798.html?&ncid=tweetlnkushpmg00000067 819773;1409758902;assbot;Nearly Half Of Young Women In The U.K. Don't Know Where Their Vagina Is 819774;1409758989;BingoBoingo;No wonder why moiety starved 819775;1409759122;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 41200 @ 0.00084339 = 34.7477 BTC [-] {2} 819776;1409759593;punkman;http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/09/02/marriage-problems-_n_5725672.html?cps=gravity 819777;1409759594;assbot;5 Signs Your Marriage Is On Shaky Ground 819778;1409759976;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] [PAID] 1.40896790 BTC to 15`370 shares, 9167 satoshi per share 819779;1409760037;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] [PAID] 8.64790976 BTC to 1`149`988 shares, 752 satoshi per share 819780;1409760221;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35300 @ 0.00084281 = 29.7512 BTC [-] {2} 819781;1409760244;punkman;https://twitter.com/digitalocean/status/440744543856492544 819782;1409760245;assbot;Hey /digitalocean - how about you support me? My users are ready! 819783;1409763190;mircea_popescu;i had nfi digital ocean was a small startup. 819784;1409763199;mircea_popescu;why not digitalpuddle then. lake, soemthing. 819785;1409764324;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo here's something for when you wake up. http://trilema.com/2010/lawrence-alma-tadema/ 819786;1409764325;assbot;Lawrence Alma-Tadema pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. 819787;1409764389;mircea_popescu;;;gettrust 819788;1409764390;gribble;WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user mircea_popescu to user : Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=mircea_popescu&dest=%3CKernel_Killer%3E | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=%3CKernel_Killer%3E | Rated since: never 819789;1409764392;mircea_popescu;;;gettrust Kernel_Killer 819790;1409764393;gribble;WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user mircea_popescu to user Kernel_Killer: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=mircea_popescu&dest=Kernel_Killer | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=Kernel_Killer | Rated since: never 819791;1409765448;RagnarDanneskjol;!up RagnarsBitch 819792;1409768074;jurov;;;later tell Azelphur did you see http://explo.yt/post/2014/08/23/First-impressions-from-ownCloud ? i have serious issues with both calendar and contacts 819793;1409768074;assbot;First impressions of ownCloud - serialized delusions 819794;1409768074;gribble;The operation succeeded. 819795;1409768153;TheNewDeal;;;Later tell nubbins' flat pack it. Give me an address to send to 819796;1409768153;gribble;The operation succeeded. 819797;1409768512;[]bot;Bet placed: 10 BTC for Yes on "BTC Difficulty over 31Bn before October" http://bitbet.us/bet/1028/ Odds: 88(Y):12(N) by coin, 85(Y):15(N) by weight. Total bet: 50.48191626 BTC. Current weight: 49,533. 819798;1409769017;artifexd;;;later tell nubbins` Flat pack it. Shall I send the extra to the same address? 819799;1409769017;gribble;The operation succeeded. 819800;1409770031;pete_on_the_balt;ahoy! 819801;1409770055;pete_on_the_balt;might take me a while to parse through all dem logs. 819802;1409770072;pete_on_the_balt;forgive me if i start quoting shit that's 3 days past prime 819803;1409770493;pete_on_the_balt;;;nethash 819804;1409770494;gribble;209787434.975 819805;1409771265;thestringpuller;maybe you should stop using boats 819806;1409771268;thestringpuller;and instead use airplaines 819807;1409771269;thestringpuller;:D 819808;1409771507;pete_on_the_balt;lol who me, use boats? 819809;1409771518;pete_on_the_balt;thestringpuller: http://contravex.com/2014/09/01/all-the-kings-horses-and-all-the-kings-men-cant-stop-a-social-engineering-attack/#comment-10243 819810;1409771519;assbot;All The King’s Horses And All The King’s Men Can’t Beat A Social Engineering Attack | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski 819811;1409771678;thestringpuller;lol in 2030 i'll probably be dead 819812;1409771686;thestringpuller;or in cryofreeze 819813;1409771787;pete_on_the_balt;heh 819814;1409771807;pete_on_the_balt;i dunno, if you beat cancer once or twice, i'm sure you'll be there 819815;1409772054;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16931 @ 0.00084797 = 14.357 BTC [+] 819816;1409772604;artifexd;http://www.vice.com/en_uk/read/this-girl-designed-porn-banners-for-a-living 819817;1409772605;assbot;Things You Learn Designing Porn Banners for a Living | VICE United Kingdom 819818;1409772712;thestringpuller;I'd rather just go into Cryofreeze and wake up in the year 3000 819819;1409772870;thestringpuller;how endearing... 819820;1409772912;thestringpuller;mod6: JEEZY'S NEW ALBUM DROPPED!!!!! 819821;1409772971;thestringpuller;damn this album is sick 819822;1409773004;pete_on_the_balt;gotta run for nao, hopefully i'll be back again before long :) 819823;1409773396;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 161 @ 0.00439999 = 0.7084 BTC [+] {3} 819824;1409774244;TheNewDeal;Later tell nubbins` ditto what articles said 819825;1409774282;TheNewDeal;;;Later tell nubbins´ ditto what artifexd said 819826;1409774282;gribble;Error: That is an invalid IRC nick. Please check your input. 819827;1409774295;TheNewDeal;Fack 819828;1409774344;TheNewDeal;;;Later tell nubbins` ditto what artifexd said 819829;1409774345;gribble;The operation succeeded. 819830;1409774799;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28900 @ 0.0008403 = 24.2847 BTC [-] {3} 819831;1409775772;kuzetsa;geez, it's kinda crappy that a game that's been around since 1999 still sometimes have NPCs in one of the main areas which like... interracting with the NPC is bugged, and instantly crashes the game client 100% of the time 819832;1409775813;kuzetsa;this time, as a test I tried a nearby vendor (no crash) then went back to the one I had problems with and it was reproducable & crashed yet again 819833;1409775850;chetty;guess it is not being maintained, what game is it? 819834;1409775880;kuzetsa;no, it's totally being maintained, and the 21st expansion is due out 4th quarter 2014 (october, tentatively) 819835;1409775883;kuzetsa;everquest 819836;1409775934;kuzetsa;which I believe is like... the original MMORPG ever or something like that 819837;1409776209;kuzetsa;oh... maybe not -- this one was around first, and you had to use a dial-up modem to directly connect to it because basically nobody had interent connections in 1992 ---> http://i.imgur.com/35lSTcU.jpg 819838;1409776227;kuzetsa;"[...] for as little as $1.80 per hour" 819839;1409776231;kuzetsa;O_O 819840;1409776804;chetty;haha I played everquest some looong ago. There were MMORPG before it, just not 3d 819841;1409776819;thestringpuller;kuzetsa: ultima online was tecnically the first 819842;1409776873;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17050 @ 0.00083978 = 14.3182 BTC [-] 819843;1409777019;kuzetsa;thestringpuller: how do you figure? wasn't ultima online 1997? the thing I linked was 1992 819844;1409777042;thestringpuller;mah bad 819845;1409777044;thestringpuller;first one to charge 819846;1409777050;thestringpuller;doo doo do dooo 819847;1409777053;kuzetsa;uhhh... 819848;1409777062;kuzetsa;the 1992 one I linked was "$1.80 per hour 819849;1409777079;thestringpuller;really? 819850;1409777093;kuzetsa;http://i.imgur.com/35lSTcU.jpg <-- yes, really (that's an old magazine advert for it) 819851;1409777130;punkman;MUDs were around long before 1992 819852;1409777199;thestringpuller;ah 819853;1409777218;thestringpuller;apparently 1985 was the first mmo 819854;1409777230;thestringpuller;Island of Kesmai 819855;1409777851;thestringpuller;;;ticker 819856;1409777861;gribble;Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 475.81, Best ask: 477.38, Bid-ask spread: 1.57000, Last trade: 477.38, 24 hour volume: 5194.73819791, 24 hour low: 471.0, 24 hour high: 479.57, 24 hour vwap: 0 819857;1409777863;thestringpuller;;;ls 819858;1409777863;gribble;What do you think I am, a shell? 819859;1409778312;jurov;;;laserkittens 819860;1409778312;gribble;ุ â‚Ë„.͡˳̫.Ë„â‚Ž ุ ┌┠┄ ┄ ┄ ┄ ┄ ┄ *pew* 819861;1409778460;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 534 @ 0.00189958 = 1.0144 BTC [+] 819862;1409778700;thestringpuller;;;laserkittens 819863;1409778700;gribble;ุ â‚Ë„.͡˳̫.Ë„â‚Ž ุ ┌┠┄ ┄ ┄ ┄ ┄ ┄ *pew* 819864;1409778715;thestringpuller;tha's adorable 819865;1409778717;thestringpuller;;;lasers 819866;1409778717;gribble;┌┠┄ ┄ ┄ ┄ ┄ ┄ *pew!* *pew!* *pew!* 819867;1409778726;thestringpuller;;;kittens 819868;1409778726;gribble;ุ â‚Ë„.͡˳̫.Ë„â‚Ž ุ .ï½¥( meow! ) 819869;1409779069;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17513 @ 0.00084198 = 14.7456 BTC [+] 819870;1409779693;kuzetsa;kesmai eh? 819871;1409779713;kuzetsa;thestringpuller: that was way before my time, I would've been like four 819872;1409779728;kuzetsa;also, I didn't know how to type very well yet at that age (or even spell) 819873;1409779910;thestringpuller;i would have been a sperm 819874;1409779917;thestringpuller;acutally I wouldn't have even been a sperm 819875;1409779923;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16050 @ 0.00084593 = 13.5772 BTC [+] 819876;1409779955;kuzetsa;:/ 819877;1409779961;Azelphur;jurov: interesting, the Calendar is on the edge of being replaced by a complete rewrite, so maybe it'll solve some stuff for you 819878;1409779971;Azelphur;I haven't really played with contacts yet 819879;1409780046;lobbes;;;google sperm lifespan 819880;1409780046;gribble;Sperm: How Long Sperm Live, Sperm Count, and More - WebMD: ; How long can sperm live in a woman or in fertile cervical fluid?: ; Sperm life span - Mayo Clinic: 819881;1409780067;kuzetsa;haha indeed 819882;1409780088;kuzetsa;but really though, sperm are produced less than a year before they die 819883;1409780172;kuzetsa;so as far as genetic material, the "destined to be you" genetic material already in existance was likely the egg (ovaries start off with all the eggs they'll ever have, and just stay dormant except during a cycle) 819884;1409780341;thestringpuller;lol 819885;1409780352;thestringpuller;i just wanna go home and learn to play dwarf fortress 819886;1409780559;cazalla;kuzetsa, are you playing project 99? 819887;1409782462;penguirker;New blog post: http://www.bcoinnews.com/bitcoin-mining-wars/ 819888;1409792123;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21712 @ 0.00084001 = 18.2383 BTC [-] 819889;1409793506;BingoBoingo;;;ticker 819890;1409793516;gribble;Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 472.54, Best ask: 473.95, Bid-ask spread: 1.41000, Last trade: 473.78, 24 hour volume: 4830.36694909, 24 hour low: 471.0, 24 hour high: 477.99, 24 hour vwap: 0 819891;1409797732;TheNewDeal;;;laeter tell nubbins` was that it?? 819892;1409797733;gribble;Error: "laeter" is not a valid command. 819893;1409797737;TheNewDeal;;;later tell nubbins` was that it?? 819894;1409797738;gribble;The operation succeeded. 819895;1409799232;kuzetsa;[17:42:40] <+cazalla> kuzetsa, are you playing project 99? << oh sorry, I was ingame (everquest... and no, I don't even know what project 99 is) 819896;1409799480;cazalla;kuzetsa, it's classic type server, expansions slowly roll out 819897;1409799592;cazalla;perfect if you're of the idea that the game went to shit after velious (greatest expansion ever) 819898;1409799738;cazalla;have you played archeage yet? 819899;1409799884;asciilifeform;;;later tell mircea_popescu s.nsa chronicle - sent. 819900;1409799884;gribble;The operation succeeded. 819901;1409801639;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 38138 @ 0.00084334 = 32.1633 BTC [+] {2} 819902;1409802580;assbot;MolokoDesk +v failed; L1: 0, L2: 0 819903;1409803007;BingoBoingo;!up MolokoDesk 819904;1409805334;decimation; 819905;1409807777;asciilifeform;slowest day since i came here, lol. 819906;1409807804;asciilifeform;there was more life here at the height of mp's april party, even. 819907;1409807885;BingoBoingo;Such hangover 819908;1409808057;decimation;asciilifeform: agreed 819909;1409808395;decimation;asciilifeform: have you ever tried to use the 'perf' utility in linux? 819910;1409808450;asciilifeform;nope 819911;1409808475;*;asciilifeform partial to similar 'valgrind' 819912;1409808492;decimation;yeah but perf works on a live software package without interfering too much 819913;1409808512;asciilifeform;mercifully i've little need for this kind of thing in recent times. 819914;1409808515;decimation;unfortunately it's ability to fully backtrace a particular function is limited 819915;1409808586;decimation;I wish I could put a computer in my computer so I can run programs while they are running. 819916;1409808613;*;asciilifeform goes to bed to ponder the meaning of this 819917;1409810911;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5389 @ 0.00084963 = 4.5787 BTC [+] 819918;1409815608;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 230 @ 0.00464054 = 1.0673 BTC [+] {13} 819919;1409815692;punkman;bom dia 819920;1409816134;penguirker;New blog post: http://contravex.com/2014/09/01/all-the-kings-horses-and-all-the-kings-men-cant-beat-a-social-engineering-attack/ 819921;1409817320;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform you know as a result of the fanfic discussion with kuzetsa it occurs to me : fifty or so years ago, the amateur "thinking man", ie, someone who could read and write and took delight in both, would mostly write (ie, try his amateur hand) science fiction. that is a sort of fanfic to the canon of nature. 819922;1409817351;mircea_popescu;with the revolution of comfortability, the "same" guy is now writing fanfic to the canon of some derpy author or other, inept substitute for the actual god of the gaps. 819923;1409817386;mircea_popescu;this is obviously a lot easier to do, it doesn't take nearly as much work to find an exploitable weakness in the "world" predicated by some schmoe working for some us publisher as it takes to find an interesting hole in nature. 819924;1409817438;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8161 @ 0.00084714 = 6.9135 BTC [-] 819925;1409817479;mircea_popescu;for being easier, it's also a lot less interesting, which is why the entire system relies on the walled garden concept : none of these write properly, ie, for the world. they all write for an arbitrarily restricted audience, which makes their task all that easier : athena can turn a single crow black from where it was white. a bunch of sweet singers of michigan can turn a multitude of birds a multitud of colors, and al 819926;1409817479;mircea_popescu;l pretend to the same earth-shattering effectuality. 819927;1409817521;mircea_popescu;that pretense is not good, of course, but nor does that matter : they don';t care if their pretense is good, they just want to hold on something. they similarly don't care if their lottery ticket is good, just as long as it's a lottery ticket. 819928;1409817529;mircea_popescu;quite fucking instructive, all this. 819929;1409817702;assbot;Last 8 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/0H8EKGY.txt ) 819930;1409817702;RagnarDanneskjol;!b 8 819931;1409817769;mircea_popescu;!up lordbunson_ 819932;1409817843;punkman;what's that with the birds and colors 819933;1409817907;mircea_popescu;!up punkman 819934;1409817913;mircea_popescu;lol oops. 819935;1409817915;mircea_popescu;!up cardigm 819936;1409817920;mircea_popescu;punkman do you know how the crow got to be black ? 819937;1409818105;punkman;mircea_popescu: just looked it up 819938;1409818125;mircea_popescu;they do this sort of thing a lot, keep rewriting the fundamental myths without citation. 819939;1409818144;mircea_popescu;basically, if you make 500 "separate" literatures, you get 500 people who can all be employed as dante, the theory goes. 819940;1409818160;mircea_popescu;this is obviously easier than actually writing something good. 819941;1409818189;mircea_popescu;so thus you have the "universe" of x, y and z. they're all by and large rewrites of themselves, but hey, it pays the bills. 819942;1409818214;mircea_popescu;in a culture composed mostly of monolinguistic, ignorant twerps, such as the us (or, for that matter, china), it's not even so very hard to do. 819943;1409820610;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 873 @ 0.0007099 = 0.6197 BTC [+] 819944;1409821159;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 22 @ 0.17954999 = 3.9501 BTC [-] {6} 819945;1409821282;mircea_popescu;;;ticker 819946;1409821293;gribble;Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 477.37, Best ask: 477.38, Bid-ask spread: 0.01000, Last trade: 477.37, 24 hour volume: 4925.88884078, 24 hour low: 471.0, 24 hour high: 478.0, 24 hour vwap: 0 819947;1409822257;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25000 @ 0.00084443 = 21.1108 BTC [-] 819948;1409822886;mircea_popescu;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9EcjWd-O4jI 819949;1409822886;assbot;Technotronic - Pump Up The Jam - YouTube 819950;1409822900;penguirker;New blog post: http://trilema.com/2014/no-such-labs-snsa-august-2014-statement/ 819951;1409823707;cazalla;does anyone know what amount of coins are held in blockchain.info wallets? 819952;1409823790;BingoBoingo;Andreas' ghost? 819953;1409824052;mircea_popescu;cazalla generally nobody really knows what amounts are held in any wallets. 819954;1409824211;cazalla;mircea_popescu, what about blockchain.info specifically, looking at the amount of wallets created and the demographic that uses web wallets, surely it isn't that high and ball parkable figure? 819955;1409824223;RagnarDanneskjol;if I had to guess, would say between 10-15% of btc in circulation 819956;1409824237;RagnarDanneskjol;no basis for estimate 819957;1409824247;mircea_popescu;cazalla nobody of any relevance uses weballets as a matter of course. 819958;1409824266;mircea_popescu;maybe as a temporary measure for small sums, but otherwise, there's no good reason and too much risk. 819959;1409824442;cazalla;reason i ask is that australian listed company digital btc is developing a wallet soon to come out of beta and this site uses it as part of their valuation http://thesophisticatedinvestor.com.au/coverage-video/?filter=digital-BTC&report=initiation-report-september-2014 but i assume there is little money to be made in consumer styled wallets unless you plan to just rob the users 819960;1409824445;assbot;Coverage Video | The Sophisticated Investor 819961;1409824526;cazalla;they use the blockchain.info wallet numbers to project their own growth but who would care if you had 100 million users if they barely had any btc to rub together 819962;1409824556;punkman;VCs like big number 819963;1409824631;mircea_popescu;cazalla you're describing a collection of clueless yet eager beavers. 819964;1409825734;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [HASH] 265 @ 0.002001 = 0.5303 BTC [-] {4} 819965;1409828284;BingoBoingo;;;bc,stats 819966;1409828286;gribble;Current Blocks: 319055 | Current Difficulty: 2.7428630902257874E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 320543 | Next Difficulty In: 1488 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 2 days, 0 hours, 26 minutes, and 10 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 29033742801.7 | Estimated Percent Change: 5.85196 819967;1409828456;mircea_popescu;i wonder what the eventual result will be with that culwick fellow 819968;1409829022;cazalla;brock the rock wins the bet eh 819969;1409829124;mircea_popescu;cazalla yes. in the end, "nothing has changed - no prevails" won the day. 819970;1409830539;penguirker;New blog post: http://fr.anco.is/2014/09/04/of-rice-and-x-eur-settlements/ 819971;1409834970;BingoBoingo;OMG derps fear sociak engineering nao http://lifehacker.com/why-social-engineering-should-be-your-biggest-security-1630321227/+laceydonohue 819972;1409834970;assbot;Why Social Engineering Should Be Your Biggest Security Concern 819973;1409835165;chetty;who taught them what that means? 819974;1409835299;BingoBoingo;I dun really know? 819975;1409835372;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19230 @ 0.00084029 = 16.1588 BTC [-] {2} 819976;1409835722;kakobrekla;o hey davout got murdered, congrats! 819977;1409835734;kakobrekla;eh i mean married. i always mix up the two. 819978;1409835793;chetty;lmao, natural mistake 819979;1409839406;mircea_popescu;kakobrekla it's the girl that gets murdered. 819980;1409840051;kakobrekla;yeah, but then again it depends who the girl is. 819981;1409840120;kakobrekla;to clarify - who of the specific two. 819982;1409840137;xmj;next her 819983;1409840374;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 1411 @ 0.00070999 = 1.0018 BTC [+] {5} 819984;1409840679;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 8 @ 0.179 = 1.432 BTC [-] 819985;1409840924;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 14 @ 0.17764285 = 2.487 BTC [-] {2} 819986;1409840985;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 11 @ 0.176 = 1.936 BTC [-] 819987;1409842583;mircea_popescu;!up dignork 819988;1409842594;mircea_popescu;;;gettrust dignork assbot 819989;1409842594;gribble;WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user dignork to user assbot: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 3 via 3 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=dignork&dest=assbot | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=assbot | Rated since: Fri Apr 11 02:04:55 2014 819990;1409842599;mircea_popescu;;;gettrust assbot dignork 819991;1409842600;gribble;WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user assbot to user dignork: Level 1: 1, Level 2: 4 via 4 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=assbot&dest=dignork | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=dignork | Rated since: Fri Oct 18 12:20:18 2013 819992;1409842696;*;nubbins` is a mean old man 819993;1409842708;nubbins`;just yelled at a bunch of schoolkids eating pizza subs outside 819994;1409842713;mircea_popescu;why? 819995;1409842752;nubbins`;they were throwing their trash on the ground! 819996;1409842793;chetty;bet they all march and celebrate on earthday too! 819997;1409842807;nubbins`;i made one kid come back and pick his trash up after he tried to walk away when i started swearing 819998;1409842810;nubbins`;poor kids ;( 819999;1409842818;nubbins`;chetty i think it's earth hour now 820000;1409842826;nubbins`;a day was too much of a burden 820001;1409842835;chetty;oh, of course 820002;1409842857;nubbins`;soon it'll become buy a head of organic lettuce day 820003;1409842892;mircea_popescu;nah, i see where this is headed. 820004;1409842899;mircea_popescu;first, drop a bucket of water on your head for cancer 820005;1409842910;mircea_popescu;next it'll be shove a head of brocoli up your ass for the environment 820006;1409842916;mircea_popescu;all on youdude. 820007;1409842926;nubbins`;heh 820008;1409842942;nubbins`;trial by brassica 820009;1409843661;penguirker;New blog post: http://www.bcoinnews.com/bitcoin-mining-wars/ 820010;1409843832;BingoBoingo;http://edition.cnn.com/2014/09/04/us/oregon-great-dane-socks/ 820011;1409843833;assbot;Well, this socks: Great Dane eats 43 - CNN.com 820012;1409843906;mod6;;;ticker 820013;1409843907;gribble;Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 492.77, Best ask: 492.99, Bid-ask spread: 0.22000, Last trade: 492.99, 24 hour volume: 9109.38712612, 24 hour low: 471.0, 24 hour high: 497.0, 24 hour vwap: 480.235935193 820014;1409843921;TheNewDeal;Wow 820015;1409843936;BingoBoingo;;;ticker --market all 820016;1409843936;mod6;;;bc,stats 820017;1409843939;gribble;Current Blocks: 319085 | Current Difficulty: 2.7428630902257874E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 320543 | Next Difficulty In: 1458 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 1 day, 9 hours, 6 minutes, and 12 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 28979317962.1 | Estimated Percent Change: 5.65353 820018;1409843941;gribble;Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 492.99, vol: 9110.55722632 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 493.501, vol: 4376.88047 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 494.71, vol: 7630.94902467 | CampBX BTCUSD last: 490.0, vol: 21.54483219 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 493.587, vol: 17530.59140000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 475.00353, vol: 2.246166 | Bitcoin-Central BTCUSD last: 492.885029, vol: 64.83121951 | Volume-weighted last average: (1 more message) 820019;1409844081;mod6;go bitcoin, go 820020;1409844230;nubbins`;BingoBoingo: more like a mediocre dane 820021;1409844259;BingoBoingo;nubbins`: True a Great one could have gone for at least double that 820022;1409844282;nubbins`;nod 820023;1409844291;nubbins`;you know how many fuckin socks neils bohr could eat? 820024;1409844296;nubbins`;now THAT was a great dane 820025;1409844305;nubbins`;niels, w/e 820026;1409844325;mircea_popescu;Alas! Lord and Lady Dalhousie are dead, and buried at last, 820027;1409844325;mircea_popescu;Which causes many people to feel a little downcast. 820028;1409844326;mircea_popescu;bwahhaha 820029;1409844344;nubbins`;don't even get me started on hans cristian andersen 820030;1409844359;thestringpuller;plz don't 820031;1409844359;nubbins`;you think he wrote all those tales on an empty stomach? 820032;1409844373;mircea_popescu;The Late Sir John Ogilvy: in praise of Sir John Ogilvy, 9th Baronet, MP for Dundee. "He was a public benefactor in many ways, Especially in erecting an asylum for imbecile children to spend their days." 820033;1409844518;TheNewDeal;Nubbins` you get my payment? 820034;1409844527;BingoBoingo;http://www.darwinawards.com/darwin/darwin2013-02.html 820035;1409844557;nubbins`;yes, thanks! 820036;1409844945;nubbins`;!s eulorum.org 820037;1409844946;assbot;3 results for 'eulorum.org' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=eulorum.org 820038;1409844965;nubbins`;RagnarDanneskjol: yes, mike_c 820039;1409844980;RagnarDanneskjol;oh k 820040;1409845136;kakobrekla;http://shrani.si/f/3H/se/2Rz3pKiy/euro-sez-byebye.png 820041;1409845156;mircea_popescu;kakobrekla and no panacea! 820042;1409845271;kakobrekla;thats a good thing. 820043;1409845471;mike_c;dollar is strong like bull 820044;1409845490;mike_c;beats up euro with one hand and btc with the other. 820045;1409845650;chetty;bulls have hands now? 820046;1409845673;kakobrekla;ill take the hand over the horn any time 820047;1409845674;mike_c;mixed metaphors are the best metaphors. 820048;1409845725;mod6;this whole "cleanest dirty shirt" stuff is for the birds 820049;1409845735;mike_c;the argentine peso got the horn. 820050;1409845836;chetty; the argentine peso got the horn.// ain't it great!! 820051;1409845954;mircea_popescu; mixed metaphors are the best metaphors. << "mixed metaphores are the best concrete" 820052;1409846259;kakobrekla;someone should do like short only fund until we hit 1:1. 820053;1409846294;mike_c;if only there were a forex expert around who could set something like that up 820054;1409846337;mike_c;your tea leaves think it will keep sinking? 820055;1409846376;kakobrekla;coffee residue sez 0.7 820056;1409846410;mircea_popescu;kakobrekla bitbet ? 820057;1409846413;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] [PAID] 1.40896790 BTC to 15`370 shares, 9167 satoshi per share 820058;1409846418;mircea_popescu;i'll put money against .7 820059;1409846441;kakobrekla;gotta ask the coffee beans. 820060;1409846464;mircea_popescu;aite. 820061;1409846474;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] [PAID] 9.60239980 BTC to 1`149`988 shares, 835 satoshi per share 820062;1409846535;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 50 @ 0.0107 = 0.535 BTC [-] {2} 820063;1409847269;penguirker;New blog post: http://trilema.com/2014/waroflife-swol-august-2014-statement/ 820064;1409849036;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 53250 @ 0.00083924 = 44.6895 BTC [-] 820065;1409850654;kakobrekla;wtf 820066;1409850655;kakobrekla;stress-testing poster packaging: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=756955.msg8674055#msg8674055 820067;1409850655;assbot;"What is Bitcoin?" silkscreened posters [6/50 left] 820068;1409850660;kakobrekla;ok 820069;1409850665;kakobrekla;i thought that killed assbot 820070;1409850706;nubbins`;heh, [14:40:39] assbot (~assbot@unaffiliated/kakobrekla/bot/assbot) joined the channel. 820071;1409850723;kakobrekla;yeah i bounced him back ? 820072;1409850736;nubbins`;nod, i squeezed my url in between the quit and join 820073;1409850742;kakobrekla;a, it was before. 820074;1409850773;*;kakobrekla doest see parts and joins and all that jazz 820075;1409850812;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 1404 @ 0.00071999 = 1.0109 BTC [+] {4} 820076;1409850834;nubbins`;anyway, if a poster gets bent, blame the post office 820077;1409850898;kakobrekla;ill just not love it! 820078;1409851167;nubbins`;sorry, conditions of sale state that you will 820079;1409851194;kakobrekla;lolk 820080;1409851682;mircea_popescu;nubbins` why are your big toes of different sizes ? 820081;1409851744;mircea_popescu;mandatory love 820082;1409851775;mircea_popescu;i confess i do not understand all these tests. 820083;1409851821;mircea_popescu;why is "being propped against a fence" supposed to destroy posters ? 820084;1409851835;mircea_popescu;or does it have something to do with "proximity of icebox" ? 820085;1409851889;mircea_popescu;and why is "being taped at a weird angle to a doorknob on a door that for some reason rests by itself in a hallway at an angle" dangerous to posters ? 820086;1409851904;mircea_popescu;that shot looks like the fucking "alice in wonderland corner test facility" 820087;1409851946;mircea_popescu;why is it under a chair in the sun ? what is this, the waldo package ? 820088;1409851953;mircea_popescu;nubbins` ^ 820089;1409852093;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 10000 @ 0.00005009 = 0.5009 BTC [+] {6} 820090;1409852998;[]bot;Bet placed: 1 BTC for No on "Bitcoin difficulty to fall before November" http://bitbet.us/bet/1040/ Odds: 20(Y):80(N) by coin, 21(Y):79(N) by weight. Total bet: 5.11998 BTC. Current weight: 94,619. 820091;1409853329;nubbins`;hahah 820092;1409853352;nubbins`;the stairs one, that's how it landed when i threw it :( 820093;1409853382;nubbins`;chair was a bend-test, i don't keep other packages on the deck so i had to make do with what was around 8) 820094;1409853435;nubbins`;it was hard to take pictures of me hitting the edges and corners on things, as i don't yet have a selfie wand 820095;1409853464;mircea_popescu;i am surprised and appalled at the shocking lack of rabbits with this package on their head. 820096;1409853499;nubbins`;inorite :( 820097;1409853512;mircea_popescu;so i'm reading up on the darien scheme. while i always suspected the scottish people to be by and large a bunch of useless louts more or less on par with romanians, 820098;1409853523;mircea_popescu;this is actually ample confirmation. 820099;1409853575;nubbins`;next best thing i can do, the cat with a bunch of shit on top of her 820100;1409853584;nubbins`;http://imgur.com/217trLt 820101;1409853584;assbot;imgur: the simple image sharer 820102;1409853669;mircea_popescu;lol 820103;1409853801;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 1425 @ 0.00071974 = 1.0256 BTC [-] {4} 820104;1409854048;[]bot;Bet placed: 2 BTC for Yes on "BTC Difficulty over 31Bn before October" http://bitbet.us/bet/1028/ Odds: 90(Y):10(N) by coin, 87(Y):13(N) by weight. Total bet: 62.48191626 BTC. Current weight: 45,828. 820105;1409854289;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9726 @ 0.0008366 = 8.1368 BTC [-] 820106;1409854533;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 6 @ 0.176 = 1.056 BTC [-] {5} 820107;1409854899;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 5 @ 0.1701 = 0.8505 BTC [-] {5} 820108;1409854959;mike_c;hm, asicminer actually releases a product and stock price sinks? 820109;1409854976;kakobrekla;!t h am1 820110;1409854977;assbot;[HAVELOCK:AM1] 1D: 0.17010000 / 0.17781352 / 0.19400000 (74 shares, 13.15820011 BTC), 7D: 0.15000000 / 0.19404829 / 0.27889900 (1014 shares, 196.76496445 BTC), 30D: 0.15000000 / 0.24538999 / 0.34200000 (2477 shares, 607.83099490 BTC) 820111;1409855726;TheNewDeal;Why does bitbet continue to place house bets? 820112;1409855761;mircea_popescu;such a broken question. 820113;1409855890;TheNewDeal;Are those the initial less than .1 bets? 820114;1409855903;TheNewDeal;Or are they additional 820115;1409855936;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 6 @ 0.17025 = 1.0215 BTC [+] {3} 820116;1409856012;mircea_popescu;hm ? 820117;1409856041;jurov;TheNewDeal: both sides together are always 0.1 btc 820118;1409856060;jurov;TheNewDeal but pls read after yourself, you're clear as mud 820119;1409856093;TheNewDeal;But those are the only bets that are considered house bets, or are there additional bets being placed 820120;1409856162;jurov;no, house bets are only the initial 0.1 ones 820121;1409856230;TheNewDeal;Got it. 820122;1409856282;mircea_popescu;you generally see two bets on the highest weight, they're the house bets. if there's three, one's the bet proponent zeroconf. 820123;1409856289;mircea_popescu;i don't think there ever were 4. 820124;1409857539;mircea_popescu;;;google karla homolka 820125;1409857539;gribble;Karla Homolka - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: ; Paul Bernardo & Karla Homolka — All For Love — Crime Library: ; Karla Homolka lives in Guadeloupe and has three children, new ...: oh great now youre gonna tell my wife this. 820153;1409860803;thestringpuller;lol 820154;1409860978;mircea_popescu;hmm, any of the gamblers in attendance care to point me to a respected gambling blog ? 820155;1409860986;mircea_popescu;mike_c cazalla others ? 820156;1409860996;mike_c;twoplustwo 820157;1409861009;mircea_popescu;danke 820158;1409861026;jurov;ben_vulpes: why the artificial limit of 0.0015 for van? 820159;1409861028;mircea_popescu;um how is this a blog ? 820160;1409861046;mircea_popescu;Welcome to the Two Plus Two Poker Blogs Posted: February 25th, 2008, by Two Plus Two o.O 820161;1409861049;mircea_popescu;!up Newyorkadam 820162;1409861063;Newyorkadam;sup... 820163;1409861065;Newyorkadam;wat is this chan 820164;1409861077;mircea_popescu;;;topic 820165;1409861078;gribble;http://bitcoin-assets.com || http://log.bitcoin-assets.com || http://bash.bitcoin-assets.com || http://blogs.bitcoin-assets.com 820166;1409861456;mike_c;2+2 is the best gambling forum. not so much blog. 820167;1409861460;mircea_popescu;apparently this beast does not exist. the best goog-fu masters have failed to produce anything but obvious mfas, shockingly garish designs (blue on orange, not even kidding - http://www.winonsports.com/Pages/AboutUs.php ) and assorted crapolade. 820168;1409861460;assbot;Tony Ansell | Sports Betting Advice | Tony Ansells Blog 820169;1409861505;mircea_popescu;im shocked there's no trilema of gambling, seriously. considering the piles of interest and the shit on tap, minimal ability would prolly earn someoine a living with less work than a college degree requires. 820170;1409861509;mircea_popescu;i blame lazy thinking. 820171;1409861511;mike_c;gambling is a bit broad for a blog. you interested in sports, poker, other? 820172;1409861531;mircea_popescu;i wanted to have a few reputed voices look over the berkshire bet for their audience. 820173;1409861586;mike_c;hm.. prop bets. 820174;1409861594;mircea_popescu;it's really easy to forget just how shitty google has become over time, for as long as one sticks to obscure topics and generally the long tail. 820175;1409861613;mike_c;probably some of the big time poker players would be good targets. 820176;1409861617;mircea_popescu;mike_c tbh i don't care for fit past betting, inasmuch as bitcoin is the bottleneck anyway 820177;1409861643;mircea_popescu;and besides, i'd rather pay bloggers to write than spend money on "advertising". 820178;1409861649;mircea_popescu;i want more clicks like i want more warts. 820179;1409861975;mike_c;well, what are you looking for? somebody with a random blog that you could pay to write an article? or somebody important who will write about it if it interests them? 820180;1409861987;mike_c;i.e. are you looking for coindesk or ascii? 820181;1409862008;kakobrekla;i doubt is cd 820182;1409862065;mike_c;if you're looking for somebody smart i'd try to reach out to phil laak. he's a famous poker player who is really into prop bets and has a very smart/analytical mind. 820183;1409862073;mircea_popescu;mike_c ascii. nothing has changed, i promote the same things, work with the same kinds of people... 820184;1409862082;mircea_popescu;now that;'s useful. does he blog ? 820185;1409862101;mike_c;he has an audience, haven't checked for a blog. 820186;1409862114;mircea_popescu;to paraphrase a famous assbot saying, i've never been as handicapped by my ignorance as when i started a betting site. 820187;1409862118;mike_c;although i think he recently fucked himself up in an atv accidant 820188;1409862137;mircea_popescu;who the fuck drives atvs. now that's a dumb bet. 820189;1409862156;kakobrekla;a tv? 820190;1409862162;mike_c;;;ud atv 820191;1409862163;gribble;http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=ATV | An ATV also known as quad is a really cool 4-wheel bike that is all terrain (you can go everywhere with it, water, mud, snow, ice,etc). Lately it has been pimped a  ... 820192;1409862172;mircea_popescu;"o i know, let's get all the disadvantages of skateboards, bikes and vans into a nice tight package. tight enough to keep all the advantages at bay" 820193;1409862180;kakobrekla;a that noise generator. 820194;1409862195;mircea_popescu;"o look! my ride-on lawnmower doesn't even lawnmow!" 820195;1409862214;kakobrekla;grass cutting blades are now propeller hat 820196;1409862230;mircea_popescu;"Phil Laak in Trouble over Unpaid Taxes" 820197;1409862302;mike_c;his buddy is also big into prop bets (and has a few more twitter followers) https://twitter.com/MagicAntonio 820198;1409862305;assbot;Antonio Esfandiari (MagicAntonio) auf Twitter 820199;1409862400;mircea_popescu;uh i think i actually met this guy 820200;1409862438;FabianB;assbot is identified as german by twitter? 820201;1409862458;mike_c;he is not related to magicaltux 820202;1409862463;assbot; heil assbot 820203;1409862509;mircea_popescu;FabianB most people haven't got the memo that slovenakia is not actually a german province anymoar. 820204;1409862527;kakobrekla;lol 820205;1409862566;cazalla;mircea_popescu, not so much a blog but http://www.casinomeister.com/ is well trusted 820206;1409862621;mircea_popescu;maybe i fundamentally misunderstand something. such as perhaps the market hates reading. 820207;1409862658;punkman;http://dpennock.com/ this guy writes papers and shit about prediction markets 820208;1409862684;kakobrekla;such as perhaps the market hates reading. < yup, you have to bash the message by video+audio 820209;1409862748;mircea_popescu;what else ? engineering, moving to video too ? 820210;1409862754;mircea_popescu;fucking barbarians. 820211;1409862771;mircea_popescu;punkman ok, but his blog 2nd post is in april, "My dad died this morning, smiling up until the end. " 820212;1409862805;mircea_popescu;if i cast this wide a net i might as well import phantomcircuit.lib and email @internet 820213;1409862851;assbot;Last 1 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/01578KT.txt ) 820214;1409862851;BingoBoingo;!b 1 820215;1409862966;punkman;mircea_popescu: yeah I don't really follow his blog. but he's written a bunch on the topic 820216;1409863061;mircea_popescu;reddit at its finest : "Sports Betting at it's finest - Reddit" 820217;1409863135;punkman;mircea_popescu: this guy ever write back to you? http://www.bloombergview.com/contributors/matt-levine 820218;1409863135;assbot;Articles by Matt Levine - Bloomberg View 820219;1409863146;kakobrekla;bitcoin 820220;1409863152;kakobrekla;success! 820221;1409863196;mircea_popescu;punkman yeah, he thanked me. 820222;1409863425;mircea_popescu;in other news, the large soros spy put now sits at 2.2 bn 820223;1409863450;mircea_popescu;fittingly, that hungarian is going to run the dollar into the ground, after having raped the pound. 820224;1409863500;mircea_popescu;even icahn noticed yellen is about as clueless of financial matters as obama of politics.... 820225;1409864008;cazalla;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=thxOROESYJE 820226;1409864008;assbot;Uphill BITCOIN Walkathon - Big Surprise - Wet T-shirt Girls. - YouTube 820227;1409864176;kakobrekla;what 820228;1409864223;cazalla;blonde is a butterface but still this is good for bitcoin! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yR-riTViDtQ 820229;1409864224;assbot;BITCOIN cover - Keep your private BIT's HIDDEN - YouTube 820230;1409865028;chetty;http://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/health-and-families/health-news/half-of-young-women-unable-to-locate-vagina-and-65-find-it-difficult-to-say-the-word-9703929.html 820231;1409865028;assbot;Half of young women unable to locate vagina and 65% find it difficult to say the word - Health News - Health & Families - The Independent 820232;1409865482;[]bot;Bet placed: 1 BTC for Yes on "20% difficulty increase before 2015" http://bitbet.us/bet/1036/ Odds: 43(Y):57(N) by coin, 42(Y):58(N) by weight. Total bet: 4.43303586 BTC. Current weight: 94,845. 820233;1409865696;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8400 @ 0.00083361 = 7.0023 BTC [-] 820234;1409866189;mike_c;the previous boss of argentina: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jyoTwDfXZ6c 820235;1409866190;assbot;Dreadnoughtus: A New Dinosaur Discovery - YouTube 820236;1409866306;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 6 @ 0.18832812 = 1.13 BTC [+] {4} 820237;1409866501;TheNewDeal;midwest at its finest http://minnesota.cbslocal.com/2014/09/03/charges-minn-man-ejaculated-in-co-workers-coffee/ 820238;1409866501;assbot;Charges: Minn. Man Ejaculated In Co-Workers Coffee « CBS Minnesota 820239;1409866561;cazalla;i wonder if that's more common than you think 820240;1409866598;TheNewDeal;"oh don't worry, it's a minnesota welcome" 820241;1409866855;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12212 @ 0.00083352 = 10.1789 BTC [-] {2} 820242;1409866861;mod6;lol 820243;1409869112;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8550 @ 0.00083314 = 7.1233 BTC [-] 820244;1409870502;TomServo;she said "I knew it." ... wtf. 820245;1409871331;TheNewDeal;next week: "Starbucks has record sale with new flavor - Tampered coffee" 820246;1409872495;BingoBoingo;;;ticker 820247;1409872496;gribble;Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 489.0, Best ask: 490.0, Bid-ask spread: 1.00000, Last trade: 490.0, 24 hour volume: 10780.61801125, 24 hour low: 471.04, 24 hour high: 497.0, 24 hour vwap: 484.03328394 820248;1409872898;mircea_popescu;!up shazow 820249;1409872912;mircea_popescu;10k eh ? lol. 820250;1409872929;TheNewDeal;smashing volume 820251;1409873809;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 734 @ 0.00070006 = 0.5138 BTC [-] {6} 820252;1409875420;assbot;shazow +v failed; L1: 0, L2: 0 820253;1409875523;asciilifeform;!up shazow 820254;1409875557;shazow;greetings :) 820255;1409875717;kakobrekla;hello 820256;1409875764;shazow;was invited here by a fellow named gabriel at some coffeeshop, so don't mind my idling otherwise 820257;1409877082;asciilifeform;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uhFEwfF9wz0 << fresh ruins of various machines, some containing dead ukrs 820258;1409877082;assbot; - YouTube 820259;1409877338;asciilifeform;~9 min. in, check out the upper half of the driver - hanging on wire 820260;1409877347;asciilifeform;(or, was it lower?) 820261;1409877463;BingoBoingo;There appear to be legs 820262;1409877540;BingoBoingo;Ah, 9:41 whole driver on the wire 820263;1409877777;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: see also, http://youtu.be/JMZj-Uge7E0?t=2m (classic) 820264;1409877778;assbot; - YouTube 820265;1409877824;BingoBoingo;Ah yes. 820266;1409878022;*;BingoBoingo wonders why Toyota refuses to sell the Hilux Stateside 820267;1409878420;BingoBoingo;!up Newyorkadam 820268;1409878444;Newyorkadam;sup 820269;1409878446;Newyorkadam;ty 820270;1409878832;TomServo;BingoBoingo: I wonder the same. If you have a theory, I'd love to hear it. 820271;1409878853;kakobrekla;noob friendly book, includes exercises, someone might fight it handy perhaps http://smpake.com/tmp/Modern%20Cryptanalysis%20-%20Techniques%20for%20Advanced%20Code%20Breaking%20(2009).azw3 820272;1409878904;BingoBoingo;TomServo: Well I'd speculate that in the US it is easy enough to sell disposable consumer motor vehicles, so durability may not be much of a selling point 820273;1409878919;asciilifeform;kakobrekla: pretty good one, liked it. (my uni library has it.) 820274;1409878982;BingoBoingo;TomServo: Also, maybe Toyota views witholding the Hilux from certain markets a for of arms control 820275;1409879084;TomServo;BingoBoingo: I always thought it had something to do with the aversion to diesel. 820276;1409879132;BingoBoingo;TomServo: That too, but that's too common sense 820277;1409891316;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14350 @ 0.00063586 = 9.1246 BTC [-] 820278;1409894305;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.17 = 0.51 BTC [-] {3} 820279;1409894366;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 4 @ 0.17 = 0.68 BTC [-] {4} 820280;1409894549;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.17 = 0.51 BTC [-] {3} 820281;1409896501;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34550 @ 0.00063586 = 21.969 BTC [-] 820282;1409901259;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 42379 @ 0.00062871 = 26.6441 BTC [-] {2} 820283;1409903638;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28885 @ 0.00063689 = 18.3966 BTC [+] {2} 820284;1409904736;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 47 @ 0.15974041 = 7.5078 BTC [-] {8} 820285;1409904797;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 4 @ 0.15202525 = 0.6081 BTC [-] {3} 820286;1409911324;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23900 @ 0.00063697 = 15.2236 BTC [+] {2} 820287;1409911995;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34850 @ 0.00063584 = 22.159 BTC [-] {2} 820288;1409915899;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 40000 @ 0.0006372 = 25.488 BTC [+] 820289;1409918217;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9224 @ 0.0006372 = 5.8775 BTC [+] 820290;1409920535;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26100 @ 0.00063191 = 16.4929 BTC [-] {3} 820291;1409923508;RagnarDanneskjol;that is hilarious 820292;1409923841;mircea_popescu;thestringpuller no ? 820293;1409924615;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 620 @ 0.00460001 = 2.852 BTC [-] 820294;1409924857;mircea_popescu;$depth d.xapo 820295;1409924903;mircea_popescu;;;seen empyex 820296;1409924961;mircea_popescu;!up empyex 820297;1409924987;mircea_popescu;jesus wtf is with the internets! 820298;1409925000;RagnarDanneskjol;asbot's been gone for about 20 mins 820299;1409925007;mircea_popescu;i see it in the list ? 820300;1409925025;mircea_popescu;for that matter, it voiced me. 820301;1409925071;RagnarDanneskjol;Oh duh - in /msg - says gone - nevermind. workin on no sleep here 820302;1409925140;mircea_popescu;$depth s.mpoe 820303;1409925149;mircea_popescu;FabianB is he sick ? 820304;1409925162;mircea_popescu;$proxies 820305;1409925802;thestringpuller;it came back quick 820306;1409925811;gribble;empyex was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 5 days, 21 hours, 5 minutes, and 16 seconds ago: FabianB: MPEx-Status: mpex.ws (805 milliseconds), mpex.bz (606 milliseconds), mpex.co (813 milliseconds), mpex.biz (584 milliseconds), mpex.coinbr.com (error) 820307;1409925812;FabianB;mircea_popescu: uh, looking 820308;1409925841;punkman;I told assbot !up half an hour ago 820309;1409925916;mircea_popescu;thgere's something afoot with freenode, services are unresponsive too. 820310;1409925941;punkman;;;rate shazow 1 python dev 820311;1409925942;gribble;Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user shazow has been recorded. 820312;1409926062;FabianB;yeah, looks like empyex can't auth with freenode services 820313;1409926104;mircea_popescu;!up altoz 820314;1409926554;punkman;http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-nation/wp/2014/09/02/another-flight-was-diverted-after-passengers-fought-over-a-reclining-seat/ 820315;1409926555;assbot;Another flight was diverted after passengers fought over a reclining seat - The Washington Post 820316;1409926584;punkman;"the pilot chose to abide by the passenger’s request out of an “abundance of caution.â€" 820317;1409926621;punkman;"the passenger said something to the effect of, ‘I don’t care about the consequences. Put this plane down now.’" 820318;1409926654;mircea_popescu;hahaha 820319;1409926954;fluffypony;this is amazing: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2014/09/03/nude_celeb_leaked_photos_hack_cnn_tech_expert_thinks_4chan_is_a_person/ 820320;1409926954;assbot;AMAZING COMPANY! 820321;1409926954;assbot;CNN 'tech analyst' on NAKED CELEBS: WHO IS this mystery '4chan' PERSON? The Register 820322;1409927042;mircea_popescu;fluffypony fucking hysterical. i was just reading teh romanian online press. their leads are epic, "our article x, read over 4k times!" "this poll yields a 85% result towards so and so". it's an online poll with a total of ~700 votes. 820323;1409927056;mircea_popescu;radio died gracefully. tv however seems to die of a cocktail of venereal diseases. 820324;1409927078;fluffypony;it's ridiculous 820325;1409927088;mircea_popescu;it's the wikipedia model. 820326;1409927103;mircea_popescu;"come see what people who can't be employed think about things in the fields they can't be employed in" 820327;1409927139;mircea_popescu;the risk with showing humanity a cheaper way to do anything is that it'll fucking do it. 820328;1409927203;mircea_popescu;i get pissy at the various us media "bitcoin experts", but really... that's the whole model. their climatology experts are no better, their political/financial analysts are no better, it';s just what it is. pay a monkey in sandwiches to be on tv. 820329;1409927261;punkman;;;ud truthinews 820330;1409927261;gribble;http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Truthinews | Jun 25, 2013 ... 2) Similarly, truthinews is when a news channel reports what citizens want to hear and claims it to be true with complete disregard for facts. 820331;1409927309;mircea_popescu;yeah but that's more like, korean media reporting it's not fair that korean football team was defeated. or that the referee cheated when he didn't. 820332;1409927338;mircea_popescu;this is more like... "let me tell you what i think about astrophysics. i think there's a painted cardboard box around the earth" 820333;1409927384;mircea_popescu;"1) Truthiness is a truth that someone knows to be true with complete disregard for facts." << uh, that's nonsense. we already have words to describe this, and quite refinedly so. 820334;1409927397;punkman;yeah that's shitty 820335;1409927398;mircea_popescu;i always used truthiness as a sort of "beliveability" 820336;1409927406;mircea_popescu;cause beliveability sounds idiotic. 820337;1409927538;mircea_popescu;There was a young girl of Batonger who diddled herself with a conger. When asked how it feels to be pleasured by eels she said, "Just like a man, only longer." 820338;1409928060;punkman;http://mashable.com/2014/09/04/vices-investment-500-million/ 820339;1409928060;assbot;Vice Raises $500 Million in Its Quest for 'Total Media Domination' 820340;1409928081;punkman;can't spell vice without Disney and Hearst 820341;1409928156;mircea_popescu;total lol. 820342;1409928348;mircea_popescu;https://blockchain.info/tx/1a599d230ae08259e257db0e7fea65d7fb1a2b1d2d4d93f158db8227a529309c << so basically this is what, advertising ? 820343;1409928348;assbot;Bitcoin Transaction 1a599d230ae08259e257db0e7fea65d7fb1a2b1d2d4d93f158db8227a529309c 820344;1409928370;mircea_popescu;laxo trade looks remarkably scammy, for the record. 820345;1409928480;punkman;that's a lot of dust 820346;1409928619;chetty;If a female robot takes your job would it get paid less than a male robot? 820347;1409928633;mircea_popescu;trick question. all robots are female. 820348;1409928658;chetty;pppfftt 820349;1409928663;punkman;and they don't get paid either 820350;1409928668;mircea_popescu;BECAUSE THEY REPRODUCE. narf narf narf narf narf 820351;1409928683;chetty;oh, robot discrimination now? 820352;1409928708;mircea_popescu;robots aren't in the old boys club. 820353;1409928938;mircea_popescu;so reviewing my books i find that last month alone i ate no less than 11 lbs of dried plums. 820354;1409928943;mircea_popescu;i think i may be turning into an old man. 820355;1409928994;*;punkman is waiting for the figs to dry 820356;1409929036;mircea_popescu;"i'm waiting for the figs to dry... when everything is nakedly... when everything's stark, keeps us from the dark reee-alityyy" 820357;1409929037;*;mircea_popescu sings 820358;1409929056;mircea_popescu;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Z-fyNdnOKE 820359;1409929056;assbot;depeche mode - waiting for the night (1990) - YouTube 820360;1409929240;punkman;http://blog.ycombinator.com/yc-investment-policy-and-email-list "Our hope is that this will further reduce investors looking for signal from YC partners." << we just do noise now guys, stop looking for signal 820361;1409929240;assbot;YC Investment Policy and Email List - Y Combinator Posthaven 820362;1409929280;mircea_popescu;maybe it should merge with vice. 820363;1409929285;mircea_popescu;same value proposition. 820364;1409929331;mircea_popescu;incidentally, i'd buy a YC Swimwear Founder Babe 2015 Calendar 820365;1409929337;mircea_popescu;possibly the only yc thing i'd pay money for. 820366;1409929351;punkman;get some chicks on fiverr to pitch it 820367;1409929361;punkman;they only need 60sec of video to make decisions 820368;1409929414;mircea_popescu;"our unique and revolutionary business model is to supply all yc founders with fresh underwear each day. we intend to monetize this in japan." 820369;1409929434;asciilifeform;yc should retool as a 'protection' racket 820370;1409929450;asciilifeform;i.e., we get to pay to have a particular batch of losers expelled and de-startupped 820371;1409929462;mircea_popescu;i forget their lingo. what are "partners" again ? 820372;1409929501;punkman;it's the people that raise the valuations after YC invests a paltry sum 820373;1409929501;kakobrekla; laxo trade looks remarkably scammy, for the record. < classic ponzi 820374;1409929506;mircea_popescu;"We will continue to make exceptions to the investing rules when a company is running out of money and about to die, but we think they are good and no one else wants to invest. We may make other exceptions, which uninvolved partners will approve on a case-by-case basis." 820375;1409929510;mircea_popescu;wtf is this lmao. 820376;1409929609;mircea_popescu;who's the bob beck in charge of ycidiocy again ? 820377;1409929609;mircea_popescu;kakobrekla quite. 820378;1409929609;mircea_popescu;Sam Altman. mkay. 820379;1409929609;punkman;I thought Sam was a chick all this while 820380;1409929794;mircea_popescu;just because you assumed graham is not gay ? 820381;1409930144;punkman;heh 820382;1409930144;*;asciilifeform also assumed this for some reason 820383;1409930144;thestringpuller;mircea_popescu: are there hot YC founders? 820384;1409930144;mircea_popescu;http://fr.anco.is/2014/09/04/of-rice-and-x-eur-settlements/ << check out the pretty girl. 820385;1409930145;assbot;Of rice and X.EUR settlements | fr.anco.is 820386;1409930145;thestringpuller;SFW? 820387;1409930145;thestringpuller;lolol 820388;1409930145;thestringpuller;I'm not one for opening NSFW links in an office. 820389;1409930145;mircea_popescu;yeah. 820390;1409930559;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo "Incoming Deposits for Mining Expenses: 0.44 BTC" << i actually paid .24 for the first batch, to make the whole set 2.0 rather than 1.98 820391;1409930756;BingoBoingo;Ah 820392;1409931147;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: Corrected http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/2014/08/31/august-atc-results/ 820393;1409931148;assbot;August ATC Results | Bingo Blog 820394;1409931148;mircea_popescu;ty 820395;1409931493;asciilifeform;http://cryptome.org/2014/09/bank-risk-e-currency.pdf << more lulz 820396;1409931592;asciilifeform;http://cryptome.org/2014/09/nsa-ask-zelda-14-0828.pdf << mega-lol. nsa printed its 'employee etiquette q&a' column. 820397;1409931672;BingoBoingo;Redskins stuff comes full circle http://www.slate.com/articles/sports/sports_nut/2014/09/dan_snyder_stadium_deal_if_the_washington_owner_gets_public_money_to_build.html << Endgame appears trading the name for a new stadium 820398;1409931672;assbot;Dan Snyder, stadium deal: If the Washington owner gets public money to build a new stadium, it’s time to shut down pro sports. 820399;1409931841;asciilifeform;'Dear Zelda, (U) I'm new to the agency and I'm also a young employee (in my late 20s). I have noticed that the older managers/supervisors think that we don't have the skills/knowledge/potential to run this agency in the near future. I heard them saying that. They tend to stereotype/discriminate without knowing our intelligence and fresh knowledge. What can we do to make them think differently? Thanks, Younger Sk 820400;1409931841;asciilifeform;ills.' 820401;1409931881;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: "When speaking with a co-worker, act as if you are telling her something in confidence." 820402;1409932319;BingoBoingo;!up samO 820403;1409932329;samO;thx BingoBoingo 820404;1409932549;mircea_popescu;" without knowing our intelligence and fresh knowledge" 820405;1409932572;mircea_popescu;oh please, let the younger sk with their fresh knowledge run nsa. 820406;1409932597;mircea_popescu;the lulz today, when they're merely employed there tho they should be bagging groceries aren't nearly sufficient for my needs. 820407;1409932621;mircea_popescu;please, let them run it. 820408;1409932640;mircea_popescu;this is what i want for my birthday. a less stereotypical and discriminatory against young people and their intelligence/fresh knowledge nsa. 820409;1409932695;mircea_popescu;give rakim a good job, i'll even return the nuke subs. 820410;1409932723;BingoBoingo;the butthurt http://valleywag.gawker.com/heres-something-grotesquely-unethical-voxs-timothy-b-1630999066/+laceydonohue 820411;1409932789;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] [PAID] 1.40905957 BTC to 15`371 shares, 9167 satoshi per share 820412;1409932850;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] [PAID] 5.87643868 BTC to 1`149`988 shares, 511 satoshi per share 820413;1409932885;mircea_popescu;i don't get the slate article. first off, who are these two schmucks ? Josh Levin and Jeremy Stahl ? 820414;1409932924;mircea_popescu;who asked them anything about what time it is ? maybe it's time for them to go back to the kitchen and make sammiches ? 820415;1409933140;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: The Slate article is retarded but the premise where an NFL owner would do something like start buzz that their team's name is racist to pressure the city for a new stadium isn't unbelieveable 820416;1409933156;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17300 @ 0.00063397 = 10.9677 BTC [+] 820417;1409933230;mircea_popescu;idiots who go for this "Racist" bit should be fleeced for each penny they got. 820418;1409933245;mircea_popescu;after which, their derpage about racism will get all the audience it deserves. 820419;1409933278;mircea_popescu;but anyway, i fail to see the logic. so two herps with five bux to their name objhect to what exactly ? to big figures ? that's a consequence of the fed, not of anyone in the real economy. 820420;1409933289;mircea_popescu;if you run a zimbabwean currency, a loaf of bread will be a billion. what of it ? 820421;1409933298;asciilifeform;'NSA's multicultural workforce can be challenging for a supervisor, with separate rules for dealing with military, civilian, and contractor employees. As the Agency has moved to a 50-50 military/civilian mix, this challenge has only grown...' 820422;1409933316;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform tell me moar about this meta nsa of yours :D 820423;1409933340;asciilifeform;lol it definitely isn't kept in there. unless fits in a closet. 820424;1409933448;mircea_popescu;lol and who the fuck is Sam Biddle 820425;1409933468;mircea_popescu;jesus all these internet derps thinking they somehow can make calls. "x is the worst voice in journalism" dude who the fuck are you and what do you know. 820426;1409933473;mircea_popescu;iiincredible. 820427;1409933484;asciilifeform;http://bits.blogs.nytimes.com/2013/08/25/disruptions-a-blogger-mocks-the-denizens-of-silicon-valley/?_php=true&_type=blogs&_r=0 820428;1409933487;asciilifeform;^ this one ? 820429;1409933508;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform the schmuck BingoBoingo linked earlier 820430;1409933565;mircea_popescu;basically every two bit shithead in the us wants to be michael moore now. 820431;1409933565;mircea_popescu;why do something useful, just sit on your ass and talk about how the great people aren't great because reasons. 820432;1409933574;mircea_popescu;penal lashing is desperately needed over there. 820433;1409933666;penguirker;New blog post: http://trilema.com/2014/mpif-fmpif-august-2014-statement/ 820434;1409933906;asciilifeform;'Dear Zelda, Hardly a day passes in which I don't receive an email, usually one that's widely distributed and from a more senior member of our community, using the pronoun 'myself' incorrectly. It's my own pet peeve, but I imagine our 5-Eyes partners questioning our reliability when they see our seniors making this basic mistake. Furthermore, my boss regularly misuses a relatively common word. It hangs in the ai 820435;1409933906;asciilifeform;r when we talk with customers and I squirm when I see their confusion...' 820436;1409934263;mircea_popescu;!up oda 820437;1409935086;asciilifeform;'(S//REL) Covertly, IC agencies form front corporations to participate directly in the market and emplace spyware that detects speculative trading—a leading indicator of systemic risk in this market. The findings help the United States build international support for stronger oversight.' 820438;1409935124;asciilifeform;http://cryptome.org/2014/09/dni-qicr-2009-the-intercept-14-0905.pdf (p.17) << exercise/hypotheticals handbook for officer schools / muppet corps 820439;1409935168;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5600 @ 0.00062787 = 3.5161 BTC [-] {2} 820440;1409936047;mircea_popescu;!up Aquent_ 820441;1409936069;Aquent_;thank you 820442;1409936127;mircea_popescu;yw. who are you ? 820443;1409936169;kakobrekla;sez right there, 'a quent' 820444;1409936213;mircea_popescu;lol 820445;1409936235;Aquent_;haha yeh 820446;1409936250;Aquent_;u dont know me? 820447;1409936279;BingoBoingo;;;ed quent 820448;1409936279;gribble;Google found nothing. 820449;1409936281;mircea_popescu;;;gettrust Aquent_ 820450;1409936282;gribble;WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user mircea_popescu to user Aquent_: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=mircea_popescu&dest=Aquent_ | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=Aquent_ | Rated since: never 820451;1409936284;mircea_popescu;no. 820452;1409936288;BingoBoingo;;;ud quent 820453;1409936289;gribble;http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=quent | quent. A gentlemanly way of saying cunt! Example Usage: "I kindly ask you to refrain from using my wife's ass in that impertinent manner, you quent!". by stumow ... 820454;1409936323;Aquent_;ahahaha 820455;1409936328;Aquent_;didnt know that one 820456;1409936385;assbot;Last 25 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/2K61FNV.txt ) 820457;1409936385;kakobrekla;!b 25 820458;1409936472;Aquent_;your memory is bad then 820459;1409936483;Aquent_;I was last here when erm you made this blog post about erm 820460;1409936497;kakobrekla;;;ud erm 820461;1409936497;gribble;http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=erm | I word used commonly to fill awkward space in conversations. 820462;1409936505;kakobrekla;not funny :( 820463;1409936506;Aquent_;cant even remmeber now it was months ago 820464;1409936523;mircea_popescu;!s from:aquent 820465;1409936524;assbot;24 results for 'from:aquent' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=from%3Aaquent 820466;1409936533;Aquent_;ohh yeh course that sec guy asking u stuff 820467;1409936604;Aquent_;or that one 820468;1409936605;mircea_popescu;my memory isn't bad per se. you're just not remarkable. 820469;1409936698;Aquent_;some like that quality 820470;1409936763;chetty;mircea_popescu, given the stuff you manage to recall, its a wonder you can cram your own name in there sometimes 820471;1409936771;Aquent_;guess you dont hang out much outside of your bubble huh 820472;1409936790;BingoBoingo;Aquent_: I'm curious, where is your bubble? 820473;1409936799;Aquent_;yup just 1 chan 820474;1409936842;kakobrekla;but its first, biggest and best. 820475;1409936848;Aquent_;I wanna, can I lurk in here tho? 820476;1409936854;mircea_popescu;chetty well that's why i made it my handle. make life easier. 820477;1409936869;mircea_popescu;Aquent_ sure. 820478;1409936874;Aquent_;cheers 820479;1409936891;Aquent_;hows your erm business doing? 820480;1409936893;Aquent_;is it growing? 820481;1409936896;mircea_popescu;kakobrekla its is now spelt Ist. 820482;1409936905;BingoBoingo;Aquent_: At least you were forgetable instead of memorable for the wrong reasons 820483;1409936911;BingoBoingo;!s ninjashogun 820484;1409936912;assbot;1547 results for 'ninjashogun' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=ninjashogun 820485;1409936912;kakobrekla;sounds german 820486;1409936972;Aquent_;cus with bitshares and all these dacs id feel bit threatened 820487;1409936998;Aquent_;everybody might start ipo-ing on decen exchanges 820488;1409937019;BingoBoingo;Threatened by Bitshares? Why should anyone feel threatened by that? 820489;1409937056;Aquent_;yeh bitshares sucks I mean more an openbazzar type software for ipos 820490;1409937091;BingoBoingo;Aquent_: You mean the openbazzar that leaked private keys? 820491;1409937109;Aquent_;they did? 820492;1409937121;Aquent_;ts not on r/bitcoin so it aint true :P 820493;1409937129;mircea_popescu;lol sure, im still threatened by glbse, what. 820494;1409937148;chetty;well Aquent_ if you actually know of such an exchange (secure,private,etc) do tell 820495;1409937148;mircea_popescu;a bunch of idiot kids are going to magically become businessmen and threaten me. because whatever, it's the internet now. and stuff. 820496;1409937168;Aquent_;yah all code and shit 820497;1409937184;Aquent_;anything that can become decentralised will be decentralised 820498;1409937233;kakobrekla;your reading to writing ratio is ways oof. 820499;1409937234;kakobrekla;off 820500;1409937242;mircea_popescu;yeah that's a point. lurk moar. 820501;1409937245;mircea_popescu;!down Aquent_ 820502;1409937292;BingoBoingo;!s openbazzar 820503;1409937293;assbot;0 results for 'openbazzar' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=openbazzar 820504;1409937316;asciilifeform;'A Chukcha applies for membership in the Union of Soviet Writers. He is asked what literature he is familiar with. "Have you read Pushkin?" "No." "Have you read Dostoevsky?" "No." "Can you read at all?" The Chukcha, offended, replies, "Chukcha not reader, Chukcha writer!"' 820505;1409937342;mircea_popescu;lol 820506;1409937365;mircea_popescu;;;google you gotta keep it separated video 820507;1409937365;gribble;The Offspring - Come Out and Play (Keep 'em Separated) - YouTube: ; The Offspring - Keep Em Separated [New Video + Lyrics] - YouTube: ; Keep 'Em Separated - The Offspring(LYRICS) - YouTube: 820508;1409937431;BingoBoingo;Aquent_: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-09-2014#818302 820509;1409937432;assbot;Logged on 02-09-2014 02:48:40; dignork: openbazaar published alpha tests of their platform. Looks interesting on paper. Shows seller gpg private key in raw contract, on the buyer side. Facepalm^2 820510;1409937490;BingoBoingo;!up Aquent_ 820511;1409937507;Aquent_;yeh thats what alpha means 820512;1409937515;Aquent_;full of bugs and shit 820513;1409937537;BingoBoingo;Aquent_: No, Alpha means bugs and shit, not fucking publishing private keys 820514;1409937570;Aquent_;thats a bug innit - you exepct it on a version that only very well versed programmers can even compile 820515;1409937574;danielpbarron;why would they even have private keys in the first place? 820516;1409937590;Aquent_;gpg private key! 820517;1409937593;chetty;whats an exchange doing with the private key of anybody anyway? 820518;1409937595;Aquent_;thats bad tho 820519;1409937623;BingoBoingo;Aquent_: It's a similar error to making a bicycle, releasing the alpha version and having a mandoline instead of a seat. 820520;1409937653;mircea_popescu;http://www.slate.com/content/dam/slate/blogs/behold/2014/08/Dandy/090811_3927_FINAL_lores.jpg.CROP.original-original.jpg 820521;1409937671;chetty;nah more like a seat doused in gas and needing a match for a key 820522;1409937685;Aquent_;yeh fair point, but, I think you get my point too 820523;1409937695;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: no. think - simplicity. no seat, sharpened seat-post. stakebike. 820524;1409937707;mircea_popescu;why sharpened ? ribbed. 820525;1409937713;mircea_popescu;usable stakebike. 820526;1409937726;BingoBoingo;Aquent_: I don't really get your point 820527;1409937765;mircea_popescu;there isn't a point to get. "hello people of internet. things because things and also. because therefore. etcetera." 820528;1409937766;mircea_popescu;what point ? 820529;1409937773;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: what italian film was it, where the director was charged with murder on account of a 'too realistic' stake scene? and had to bring in the still-alive actress, and demonstrate the magic trick - which involved a bike seat / 820530;1409937774;asciilifeform;? 820531;1409937804;asciilifeform;anybody else remember that one ? 820532;1409937816;mircea_popescu;uh. you don't mean cannibal holocaust do you ? 820533;1409937833;Aquent_;my point is pretty simple 820534;1409937835;asciilifeform;possibly 820535;1409937842;mircea_popescu;it was mostly a derpy da trying to be all washington dc. "let's tack murder on obscenity too!" 820536;1409937855;Aquent_;there will be decen ipos so if I was smart and in that area I would try and actually offer that service first 820537;1409937868;asciilifeform;yes - that one. 820538;1409937892;BingoBoingo;Aquent_: The open unaccountable thing though mostly appeals more to NeoBees though 820539;1409937916;mircea_popescu;http://holylandofhorror.files.wordpress.com/2014/03/cannibal-holocaust.jpg << if that's what you mean. 820540;1409937917;asciilifeform;'the actors had signed contracts with him and the producers ensuring that they would not appear in any type of media, motion pictures, or commercials for one year after the film's release in order to promote the idea that the film was truly the recovered footage of missing documentarians. Thus, when Deodato claimed that he had not killed the group, questions arose as to why the actors were in no other media if t 820541;1409937917;asciilifeform;hey were alive.' (pediwik) 820542;1409937927;mircea_popescu;heroes of might and magic 6 actually has a tribute location. 820543;1409937929;asciilifeform;seems like he trolled the local authorities a little too well. 820544;1409937945;danielpbarron;Aquent_, if you were smart you'd stop listening to whatever jack-ass put "decentralize everything" into your head, and instead read everything that has gone on in this channel while you were gone. 820545;1409937968;Aquent_;ohh so you've already discussed it? 820546;1409937972;Aquent_;and whats the conclusion? 820547;1409938044;mircea_popescu;jesus fuck already. dude. shut the fuck up and go read. 820548;1409938045;BingoBoingo;I mean this thing is roughly bicycle seat size. We can put on our bike as a placeholder for the alpha phase, right? http://www.staples.com/office/supplies/StaplesProductDisplay?storeId=10001&catalogIdentifier=2&partNumber=426957&langid=-1&cid=PS:GooglePLAs:426957&ci_src=17588969&ci_sku=426957&KPID=426957&kpid=426957&gclid=CLne2ZzMysACFSMLMgodBigAQg 820549;1409938046;assbot;Browne 57201592, Stainless Steel Crosscut Blade for Swing Mandoline | Make More Happen at Staples® 820550;1409938047;mircea_popescu;!down Aquent_ 820551;1409938065;kakobrekla;Aquent_ conclusion is 'no'. 820552;1409938087;mircea_popescu;catering to the executive presumptions of every infantile knucklehead out there. 820553;1409938103;mircea_popescu;summaries are for business people jerry! people with jobs and secretaries! 820554;1409938374;BingoBoingo;So how long until S.Diesel is it still a few years off? 820555;1409938399;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: S.Oylent 820556;1409938427;mircea_popescu;!up n6 820557;1409938448;n6;we sent a public key last night but the web ui says unrecognized public key when we try to deposit, where did we go wrong we encypted to mircea_popescu's key listend on the faq. 820558;1409938449;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: There's probably a better use for the phosphrous than direct conversion to food. 820559;1409938468;mircea_popescu;n6 you get an email saying you're in. did you ? 820560;1409938474;n6;no 820561;1409938477;mircea_popescu;has it been two days ? 820562;1409938480;n6;20 hours 820563;1409938490;mircea_popescu;ah. ok, if you don't get it in another day say. 820564;1409938507;n6;k 820565;1409938512;n6;thanks 820566;1409938524;mircea_popescu;;;gettrust n6 820567;1409938525;gribble;Currently authenticated from hostmask n6!NumberSix@2600:3c01::f03c:91ff:fe73:d0e8. Trust relationship from user mircea_popescu to user n6: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=mircea_popescu&dest=n6 | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=n6 | Rated since: never 820568;1409938530;mircea_popescu;;;rate n6 1 trader. 820569;1409938532;gribble;Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user n6 has been recorded. 820570;1409938540;mircea_popescu;id with gribble pm assbot !up for voice. 820571;1409938564;n6;guntha_ is my partner can he get some voice also? 820572;1409938589;mircea_popescu;you'll be able to voice him :p 820573;1409938599;n6;!up guntha 820574;1409938633;mircea_popescu;(after you first voice yourself permanently) 820575;1409938642;mircea_popescu;(i think) 820576;1409938839;mircea_popescu;!up stickie 820577;1409938950;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 225 @ 0.00460001 = 1.035 BTC [+] 820578;1409938994;n6;!up guntha 820579;1409939000;guntha;ba bam 820580;1409939060;n6;;;rate guntha 10 partner 820581;1409939060;gribble;Error: User doesn't exist in the Rating or GPG databases. User must be GPG-registered to receive ratings. 820582;1409939314;chetty;http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/speaking-of-science/wp/2014/09/04/this-is-the-kind-of-dinosaur-you-find-in-hollywood/ 820583;1409939314;assbot;Newly discovered dinosaur, Dreadnoughtus, takes title of largest terrestrial animal - The Washington Post 820584;1409939377;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3298 @ 0.00063168 = 2.0833 BTC [+] 820585;1409939464;BingoBoingo;Carlsen isn't doing very well http://fivethirtyeight.com/datalab/fabiano-caruana-is-doing-the-impossible-at-chesss-most-competitive-tournament/ 820586;1409939465;assbot;Fabiano Caruana Is Doing The Impossible At Chess’s Most Competitive Tournament | FiveThirtyEight 820587;1409939475;asciilifeform;http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-nation/wp/2014/09/05/fighter-jets-are-escorting-a-plane-over-the-atlantic/?tid=trending_strip_1 820588;1409939475;assbot;Fighter jets respond to unersponsive plane flying over the Atlantic - The Washington Post 820589;1409940438;mircea_popescu;"Earlier this week, NORAD also sent two F-16 fighter jets to respond to another unresponsive aircraft in the United States. This plane, which took off from an airport in Wisconsin on Monday, was bound for an airport in Manassas, Va., a community outside Washington. The plane crashed into the Atlantic Ocean, about 140 miles away from Washington." 820590;1409940441;mircea_popescu;hm. 820591;1409940474;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: http://www.wisn.com/news/plane-that-took-off-from-waukesha-airport-crashes-into-ocean/27807596 << that one. 820592;1409940476;assbot;Pilot of downed plane identified as former Harley exec | Local News - WISN Home 820593;1409940488;mircea_popescu;so did they shoot it ? 820594;1409940498;*;asciilifeform didn't shoot it, doesn't know 820595;1409940527;asciilifeform;afaik their official policy is never to admit it, however 820596;1409940561;chetty;looking at the report it would have been out of fuel, likely 820597;1409940604;mircea_popescu;i wonder how long before they fit a hercules with a roboarm and start pulling these into the cargobay 820598;1409940632;mircea_popescu;the tech's all there, and it'd prolly be cheaper than fighter jets 820599;1409940645;mircea_popescu;(course they get the flight hours for the pilots this way, so it's complicated. but anyway) 820600;1409940675;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: junkyard magnet. 820601;1409940687;asciilifeform;as pictured in 'the brave little toaster', specifically. 820602;1409940698;mircea_popescu;yup. 820603;1409940713;mircea_popescu;course not sure the newer small planes are feromagnetic at all. 820604;1409940733;asciilifeform;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FqT2uOa1-d0 820605;1409940734;assbot;The Brave Little Toaster - Worthless (No Interruptions) - YouTube 820606;1409940942;mircea_popescu;$proxies 820607;1409940944;empyex;mircea_popescu: Proxies: mpex.ws mpex.bz mpex.co mpex.biz mpex.coinbr.com Current MPEx GPG-Key-ID: 02DD2D91 820608;1409940947;mircea_popescu;a wb empy. so 820609;1409940948;empyex;mircea_popescu: MPEx-Status: mpex.ws (945 milliseconds), mpex.bz (1289 milliseconds), mpex.co (757 milliseconds), mpex.biz (754 milliseconds), mpex.coinbr.com (959 milliseconds) 820610;1409940965;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12000 @ 0.00063168 = 7.5802 BTC [+] 820611;1409940965;mircea_popescu;$depth D.XAPO 820612;1409940966;empyex;mircea_popescu: [D.XAPO] Bids: 100000 @ 0.00000100 820613;1409940967;empyex;mircea_popescu: [D.XAPO] Asks: 1000 @ 0.05950000 820614;1409940972;mircea_popescu;$depth DD.OKCO 820615;1409940973;empyex;mircea_popescu: [D.OKCO] Bids: 100000 @ 0.00000100 820616;1409940974;empyex;mircea_popescu: [D.OKCO] Asks: 1000 @ 0.06195000 820617;1409940983;mircea_popescu;$depth D.CIFI 820618;1409940984;empyex;mircea_popescu: [D.CIFI] Bids: 100000 @ 0.00000100 820619;1409940985;empyex;mircea_popescu: [D.CIFI] Asks: 1000 @ 0.09950000 820620;1409940989;mircea_popescu;$depth D.CBSE 820621;1409940990;empyex;mircea_popescu: [D.CBSE] Bids: 100000 @ 0.00000100 820622;1409940991;empyex;mircea_popescu: [D.CBSE] Asks: 1000 @ 0.11950000 820623;1409940998;mircea_popescu;$depth D.BSTP 820624;1409940998;empyex;mircea_popescu: [D.BSTP] Bids: 100000 @ 0.00000100 820625;1409940999;empyex;mircea_popescu: [D.BSTP] Asks: 1000 @ 0.04950000 820626;1409941005;mircea_popescu;$depth D.BTGO 820627;1409941006;empyex;mircea_popescu: [D.BTGO] Bids: 100000 @ 0.00000100 820628;1409941007;empyex;mircea_popescu: [D.BTGO] Asks: 995 @ 0.05249970 820629;1409941011;mircea_popescu;$depth D.BPAY 820630;1409941012;empyex;mircea_popescu: [D.BPAY] Bids: 10000 @ 0.00001000 820631;1409941013;empyex;mircea_popescu: [D.BPAY] Asks: 793 @ 0.23999999 9 @ 5.12000000 820632;1409941019;mircea_popescu;so there we go. the derps are populated now! 820633;1409941366;thestringpuller;DEP bids are low as fuck 820634;1409941372;thestringpuller;DERP* 820635;1409941390;thestringpuller;didn't you say none of the DERP lists have received funding since DERP listed? 820636;1409941396;thestringpuller;(VC funding*) 820637;1409941409;BingoBoingo;%t 820638;1409941411;atcbot;[X-BT] Bid: 175 Ask: 221 Last Price: 175 24h-Vol: 0k High: N/A Low: N/A VWAP: N/A 820639;1409941430;BingoBoingo;OMG You can sell ATC for more than Xapo!!! 820640;1409941635;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1000 @ 0.00063168 = 0.6317 BTC [+] 820641;1409941740;mircea_popescu;lol it'll prolly survive xapo for that matter. 820642;1409941823;punkman;%d 820643;1409941824;atcbot;[ATC Diff] Current Diff: 1878190.93 Est. Next Diff: 275840.58 in 1418 blocks (#46368) Est. % Change: -85.31 820644;1409941879;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2606 @ 0.00063168 = 1.6462 BTC [+] 820645;1409941913;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu - if i recall you were once friends with xapo owner - ever asked him 'wtf' ? 820646;1409942120;BingoBoingo;Huh, php isn't alone. Verilog has === 820647;1409942259;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: it tests electrical (vs. logical) equality 820648;1409942297;BingoBoingo;Seems so. 820649;1409942381;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: if you're reading about verilog or similar, it helps to remember that a good portion of the language is only used during simulation experiments 820650;1409942387;asciilifeform;and not for actual hardware synthesis 820651;1409942421;BingoBoingo;I'll keep that in mind. 820652;1409942475;BingoBoingo;https://twitter.com/ThingsWork/status/507929856114720768 820653;1409942477;assbot;This is how chicken nuggets are made http://t.co/lGD2km6KgR 820654;1409942517;BingoBoingo;.@McDonaldsCorp You just responded with the video from which the GIF was made. 820655;1409942551;asciilifeform;other than this - what was peculiar about the picture? 820656;1409942570;asciilifeform;how did people imagine the dish were made - a chicken sentenced to death by 'ling-chi' ? 820657;1409942626;chetty;I doubt most people even associate it with chickens, which isnt far off really 820658;1409942676;asciilifeform;i always imagine it is made quite like the meat pies in 'sweeney todd.' 820659;1409942681;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: curious thing is this tweet in the middle https://twitter.com/McDonaldsCorp/status/507927694060052480 820660;1409942682;assbot;This is how chicken nuggets are made http://t.co/lGD2km6KgR 820661;1409942712;BingoBoingo;@ThingsWork #FALSE Please stop spreading this bad information about our good food. http://mcd.md/B8S9i ^JH 820662;1409942713;assbot;Pink goop in Chicken McNuggets? McDonald's Canada answers - YouTube 820663;1409942936;asciilifeform;http://www.pinterest.com/pin/109564203405858937 << somebody's cache, original page seems dead 820664;1409942937;assbot;The Golden Ticket | The Best of Perry Bible Fellowship | Pinterest 820665;1409943588;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] [PAID] 2.68739502 BTC to 29`438 shares, 9129 satoshi per share 820666;1409946498;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform haven't been talking recently. 820667;1409946508;asciilifeform;lol 820668;1409946553;*;asciilifeform found out that the needle fitting on his apparatus is called a 'luer lock' and can be had commercially. one fewer item to grind on lathe, and we get out from 19th c. sooner. 820669;1409946601;*;asciilifeform should've gone to medical stacks in library, not machinist. 820670;1409946602;mircea_popescu;you totally have to blog all that. 820671;1409946614;asciilifeform;who the hell would want to even know 820672;1409946616;asciilifeform;other than us. 820673;1409946623;mircea_popescu;and yes, yoiu could have asked here. i knew, i'msure bb'd have known, or else moiety. 820674;1409946631;asciilifeform;bb is my bet 820675;1409946637;asciilifeform;;;seen moiety 820676;1409946637;gribble;moiety was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 3 weeks, 5 days, 8 hours, 35 minutes, and 1 second ago: manuls for all! :] 820677;1409946668;asciilifeform;'a decade in the lab will save you an afternoon in the library.' 820678;1409946874;mircea_popescu;lol 820679;1409947076;asciilifeform;thing is, i knew about luer as per syringes, but never knew you could buy them separately. 820680;1409947096;asciilifeform;and with machined fittings on other end. 820681;1409947143;mircea_popescu;they use it for an entire range of machine-to-human fluid interfacing 820682;1409948935;fluffypony;ho hum. if anyone's interested (since I'm having no luck on -otc) I need a US$ 5,109.83 amount paid via PayPal, willing to sort it out via BTC at ticker last less 5% 820683;1409949016;mircea_popescu;;;seen los_pantalones 820684;1409949016;gribble;los_pantalones was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 2 weeks, 1 day, 4 hours, 8 minutes, and 40 seconds ago: no one can explain this? 820685;1409949322;penguirker;New blog post: http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/2014/09/05/time-value-concise-edition/ 820686;1409949430;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes http://cascadianhacker.com/blog/2014/03/consulting.html 820687;1409949431;assbot;404 Not Found 820688;1409949473;BingoBoingo;related: OMG BITBET Traffic http://van-ads.com/venues 820689;1409949474;assbot;Vulpes Ad Network 820690;1409949564;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo what's so omg about iut lol 820691;1409949611;BingoBoingo;Looks like a new all time high on the 7 day average impressions. 820692;1409949836;BingoBoingo;Oh vox.com herp'd its derp http://www.vox.com/2014/9/5/6110897/we-made-the-wrong-call-on-buying-bitcoins 820693;1409949837;assbot;We made the wrong call on buying Bitcoins - Vox 820694;1409949934;BingoBoingo;"This was my fault. While I don't think it's impossible to fairly cover Bitcoin while also holding some Bitcoins, the reason to make these rules blunt and general, rather than nuanced and specific, is to ensure there's no question about the motivations of the underlying coverage." 820695;1409949972;mircea_popescu;guy's an idiot. bitcoin isn't "a firm". 820696;1409950006;mircea_popescu;anyway, his mistake, duly noted. lee can have a job, ezra klein can not nor can vox have a future anymore than vice can. 820697;1409950008;mircea_popescu;big deal. 820698;1409950164;BingoBoingo;Well, much as US law has a pseudojustice system... Journalism gets a pseudointegrity system. 820699;1409950362;mircea_popescu;i hope they're going to move all their reporters covering us news outside of the us, too. 820700;1409950399;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo but anyway, you know what it is, the libtard shitheads pushing and the vox editors being the spineless shitheads that give in. 820701;1409950402;chetty;renounce their citizenship 820702;1409950419;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34915 @ 0.00063721 = 22.2482 BTC [+] 820703;1409950419;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.16999998 = 0.51 BTC [-] 820704;1409950480;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 4 @ 0.16999999 = 0.68 BTC [+] 820705;1409950499;mircea_popescu;did i have an email for this guy somewhere ? 820706;1409950536;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: I don't remember if he was here or not 820707;1409950793;mircea_popescu;http://postimg.org/image/cwhj88wp3/ 820708;1409950793;assbot;View image: tim lee 820709;1409950801;mircea_popescu;opportunities, they exist. 820710;1409950941;assbot;Last 13 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/3SPF5Q4.txt ) 820711;1409950941;BingoBoingo;!b 13 820712;1409951916;BingoBoingo;;;ticker 820713;1409951918;gribble;Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 482.54, Best ask: 483.87, Bid-ask spread: 1.33000, Last trade: 483.64, 24 hour volume: 6573.80795705, 24 hour low: 481.02, 24 hour high: 492.99, 24 hour vwap: 484.861890152 820714;1409952078;BingoBoingo;%d 820715;1409952080;atcbot;[ATC Diff] Current Diff: 1878190.93 Est. Next Diff: 275840.58 in 1418 blocks (#46368) Est. % Change: -85.31 820716;1409952630;mircea_popescu;http://www.indecente.ro/fantezii/fetish-super-corset.jpg << i finally found some decent she-warrior armor 820717;1409952836;chetty;dun think I wanna fight in that, lacks a little protection 820718;1409952875;mircea_popescu;welll... videogame fightin'. 820719;1409952933;chetty;prolly better off fighten naked 820720;1409952967;kakobrekla;Armor: +0.0001 820721;1409953049;chetty;well maybe a little more as a distraction 820722;1409953107;mircea_popescu;where's that poster thing 820723;1409953189;mircea_popescu;http://x1.fjcdn.com/comments/This+is+Terra+no+mods+needed+_cb6153ad9a0a894885121312fb4f6689.jpg 820724;1409953241;mircea_popescu;http://x4.fjcdn.com/pictures/3f/82/3f827c_4771291.jpg 820725;1409954019;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 8 @ 0.17 = 1.36 BTC [+] 820726;1409954037;BingoBoingo;Look what Uber sponsored: https://www.urbanshield.org/index.php/contacts/urban-shield-vendor-directory?sid=57&site=10 820727;1409954087;BingoBoingo;http://edition.cnn.com/2014/09/03/us/philadelphia-drug-bust-house-seizure/index.html 820728;1409954087;assbot;Parents' house seized after son's drug bust - CNN.com 820729;1409954204;cazalla;mircea_popescu: give rakim a good job, i'll even return the nuke subs. <<< rakim is in jail http://i.imgur.com/jotYmaJ.png 820730;1409954292;TheNewDeal;what did uber sponsor? couldnt see from the link 820731;1409954356;BingoBoingo;TheNewDeal: Some sort of police cosplay conference or something... 820732;1409954363;TheNewDeal;ahhh 820733;1409955184;*;asciilifeform waits for 'urban sword' to go with 'urban shield' 820734;1409955235;asciilifeform;http://www.urbanshield.org/index.php/contacts/urban-shield-vendor-directory?pid=57&sid=220:XHAUSTR-Industries 820735;1409955236;assbot;XHAUSTR Industries 820736;1409955240;asciilifeform;^ lol! potato in tailpipe !? 820737;1409955268;*;asciilifeform did not know that humble potato had a part to play in policework. 820738;1409955313;asciilifeform;https://www.freelancer.com/contest/Design-a-Logo-for-a-Police-Product-67956.html << and apparently he 'crowdsourced' the company logo... 820739;1409955315;assbot;Design a Logo for a Police Product | Freelancer.com 820740;1409955337;asciilifeform;http://www.workingbase.com/project/Design-and-Build-a-Website-for-a-Law-Enforcement-Product.3052162.html << and the company site... 820741;1409955337;assbot;Design and Build a Website for a Law Enforcement Product (PHP, Website Design, Graphic Design, HTML) - Project ID: 3052162 - WorkingBase.com 820742;1409955543;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10000 @ 0.00063742 = 6.3742 BTC [+] {2} 820743;1409955604;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10000 @ 0.00063792 = 6.3792 BTC [+] 820744;1409956618;BingoBoingo;http://uk.reuters.com/article/2014/09/04/us-usa-crime-bitcoin-idUKKBN0GZ2OG20140904 << Plea guilty, pay a million dollars, and still potentially face 5 years in prison 820745;1409956618;assbot;Bitcoin promoter pleads guilty to unlicensed use of currency| Reuters 820746;1409956714;BingoBoingo;Potential for 5 years in prison per http://online.wsj.com/articles/bitcoin-promoter-charles-shrem-pleads-guilty-1409870506 820747;1409956714;assbot;Bitcoin Promoter Charles Shrem Pleads Guilty - WSJ 820748;1409956896;danielpbarron;is this over the feedzebirds thing? 820749;1409956969;BingoBoingo;danielpbarron: That was Erik, this is Charlie. This is the Bitinstant thing. 820750;1409957112;danielpbarron;oh, the guy who bought some pot brownies over the internet? 820751;1409957129;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 68 @ 0.01039979 = 0.7072 BTC [+] {2} 820752;1409957188;BingoBoingo;Haven't heard that one. 820753;1409957245;danielpbarron;After reading through the entire criminal complaint against Charlie Shrem, it seems that he is guilty of nothing more than ordering some pot brownies off the Internet. http://www.cryptocoinsnews.com/charlie-shrem-did-nothing-wrong/ 820754;1409957245;assbot;The Complete Breakdown of How Charlie Shrem Did Nothing Wrong 820755;1409957251;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 60 @ 0.01042405 = 0.6254 BTC [+] {3} 820756;1409957259;danielpbarron;is it legal to sell someone world of warcraft gold if you know they will use it to buy drugs? 820757;1409957294;danielpbarron;do I need KYC for shops I build in minecraft? 820758;1409958055;mircea_popescu;http://www.indecente.ro/fantezii/feterele.jpg 820759;1409958102;mircea_popescu; ^ lol! potato in tailpipe !? << kinda old, this. 820760;1409958253;mircea_popescu;"His lawyer, Marc Agnifilo, said that what Shrem did was an aberration and that Shrem plans to continue working in the bitcoin world if possible." << ahahah sure, sure. 820761;1409958722;mircea_popescu;!up BananaLotus 820762;1409958746;BananaLotus;thank you mircea_popescu :) 820763;1409959003;mircea_popescu;sure. 820764;1409959055;BananaLotus;guruvan is helping me setup a WoT account :) 820765;1409959158;kakobrekla;which part 'sure sure' 820766;1409959175;kakobrekla;if the 'cont. working' ... people with larger wounds operate . 820767;1409959228;kakobrekla;infinite hitpoints. 820768;1409959977;kakobrekla;punkman did you follow up 'all on no' on bb then? 820769;1409960186;mircea_popescu;o hey, how goes guruvan ? 820770;1409960246;mircea_popescu;ok, 7 reports published, am i done ? 820771;1409960249;mircea_popescu;hallelujah. 820772;1409960251;guruvan;very good thx. Took a bit more than a week to get back online, but made it :) been a long hard summer. how're you? 820773;1409960285;mircea_popescu;never felt better. 820774;1409960335;guruvan;nice. this place looks much improved. 820775;1409960343;mircea_popescu;actually, yes. 820776;1409960937;mircea_popescu;;;seen rithm 820777;1409960937;gribble;rithm was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 4 weeks, 1 day, 2 hours, 9 minutes, and 39 seconds ago: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SGILISYllug 820778;1409960950;mircea_popescu;;;later tell rithm what's this loan business ? 820779;1409960950;gribble;The operation succeeded. 820780;1409961382;penguirker;New blog post: http://trilema.com/2014/fderp-july-august-2014-combined-statement/ 820781;1409962272;assbot;BananaLotus +v failed; L1: 0, L2: 0 820782;1409962301;Apocalyptic;!up BananaLotus 820783;1409962913;Apocalyptic;mircea, I enjoyed the last MPIF statement 820784;1409963229;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29200 @ 0.00063792 = 18.6273 BTC [+] 820785;1409963381;punkman;kakobrekla: notrly 820786;1409963441;punkman;not eager to gamble all my btc away just yet 820787;1409963446;kakobrekla;seems to be bloody again. 820788;1409963476;kakobrekla;er, blody. 820789;1409963510;punkman;;;ud blody 820790;1409963511;gribble;http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=blody%20mary | ... blödmann · blodne · Blodomy · Blodrunk · blodsoe · Blodwen Buildings · blody mary · Bloebler · Bloedel · bloe job · bloem · Bloemer ... blody mary isn't defined. 820791;1409963617;punkman;after a bit of spelunking this week, I can finally say "I'VE SEEN ALL THE COINS" 820792;1409963624;punkman;physical coins that is 820793;1409966812;TheNewDeal;oooh blody mary 820794;1409966965;decimation;re: plane from Wisconsin that ended up in the Atlantic: http://mdcoastdispatch.com/2014/09/04/woc-based-boat-witnessed-weekend-plane-crash-fishermen-watched-as-f-16-jets-shadowed-aircraft-until-it-crashed/ << lol 820795;1409966966;assbot;WOC-Based Boat Witnessed Weekend Plane Crash; Fishermen Watched As F-16 Jets Shadowed Aircraft Until It Crashed 820796;1409966987;decimation;Bob Builder (lol!) is a ... fisherman? 820797;1409967024;decimation;The most amusing thing about this story is the simple faith that Bob Builder expresses in USG: “You could tell the jets were extremely well-equipped and in control of the situation,†he said. “We obviously paid close attention, but at no time did we think we were in danger. I think the jets could have controlled where and when it went down." 820798;1409967043;decimation;how would they control the plane? with tractor beams? 820799;1409967046;TheNewDeal;decimation those Cirrus planes fly like rocks. Wouldn't be caught dead in one. 820800;1409967062;decimation;my understanding is that they have a high cruise speed 820801;1409967084;asciilifeform;decimation: how would they control the plane << this was a slip-up and meant literally. controlled how? with the mandatory remote-steering box. 820802;1409967118;asciilifeform;(mandatory only on passenger liners, afaik, but who knows - possibly some of the newer single-seaters have it as well.) 820803;1409967128;TheNewDeal;http://www.m0a.com/cirrus-law-suit/ 820804;1409967130;assbot;Cirrus Ordered to Pay 16.4 Million after Fatal Crash 820805;1409967150;TheNewDeal;2003 SR22 820806;1409967195;decimation;TheNewDeal: what aerodynamic defect does it have? 820807;1409967234;TheNewDeal;I can't specify a defect. Perhaps poor craftsmanship 820808;1409967246;TheNewDeal;Have you ever heard of a plane with a parachute? 820809;1409967255;decimation;asciilifeform: the Cirrus has a parachute 820810;1409967264;TheNewDeal;>< 820811;1409967266;decimation;yes, they are standard on the cirrus to my knowledge 820812;1409967289;TheNewDeal;Most of the planes I have flown on, had no parachute 820813;1409967340;kakobrekla;a parachute < o shit, if only it would have an ejection seat 820814;1409967376;TheNewDeal;The plane is probably worth more than the people it drives, generally undesirables 820815;1409967401;decimation;apparently there was another 'lost plane' today too: http://www.latimes.com/nation/nationnow/la-na-nn-f15-jets-escorting-plane-20140905-story.html 820816;1409967401;assbot;Search underway to locate wreckage of unresponsive plane that crashed - LA Times 820817;1409967432;decimation;TheNewDeal: I would like a parachute on a small plane, there are situations where it would save your life 820818;1409967530;artifexd;punkman: Find any interesting physical coins or are Casascius coins still as good as it gets? 820819;1409967594;decimation;asciilifeform: one wonders if that's an example of poor journalism or even worse propaganda 820820;1409967926;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4250 @ 0.00063792 = 2.7112 BTC [+] 820821;1409968051;decimation;re: zelda << "Some coworkers and I have been exchanging messages that we, up until recently, believed to be private. In these messages, we said some embarrassing things about mutual acquaintances, including comparing one female coworker of ours to Teflon and another pair of upper-level managers as "Batman and Robin". Unfortunately, these messages weren't private after all; someone posted them onto NSANet! :( Now everyone hates me 820822;1409968052;decimation;and my coworkers. What can we do to make people like us again?" 820823;1409968252;TheNewDeal;I'm saying if I had a million dollars, I would be staying far away from a Cirrus jet 820824;1409968332;decimation;TheNewDeal: the Cirrus planes in question were prop driven if I'm not mistaken 820825;1409968469;decimation;re: Cirrus http://airfactsjournal.com/2012/05/dicks-blog-whats-wrong-with-cirrus-pilots/ I think the more likely case is that the relatively new and shiny Cirrus planes attract inexperienced pilots with a sense of immortality 820826;1409968472;assbot;What's wrong with Cirrus pilots? - Air Facts Journal 820827;1409968523;TheNewDeal;regardless. Plane is probably named after a vehicle liability insurance for high risk policies. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SR-22_(insurance) 820828;1409968524;assbot;SR-22 (insurance) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia 820829;1409968840;decimation;greenspun agrees that the sr-20 has challenging flight dynamics: http://philip.greenspun.com/flying/cirrus-sr20 " In terms of avoiding an accident, one problem with the Cirrus is its unforgiving handling compared to other basic four-seaters. For pilots accustomed to learning about an impending stall by feeling reduced airloads on the flight controls, the Cirrus provides much less stall warning. This is due to spring cartridges that 820830;1409968841;assbot;Cirrus SR20 (and a bit about the SR22) 820831;1409968841;decimation;continue to resist flight control movement even when the airplane is not moving. In other words, the flight controls feel similar whether you're flying or stalled. " 820832;1409968976;mircea_popescu; mircea, I enjoyed the last MPIF statement << cheers 820833;1409969031;mircea_popescu; The most amusing thing about this story is the simple faith that Bob Builder expresses in USG: “You could tell the jets were extremely well-equipped << dunno if you've seen "the kite runner" ? 820834;1409969052;mircea_popescu;similarly amusing piece of agitprop. find out what child raping horrible guys teh taliban are! 820835;1409969078;mircea_popescu;the mere insertion of cp in there... the cia just can't stop sending niggers to infiltrate teh gru 820836;1409969129;mircea_popescu; Have you ever heard of a plane with a parachute? << um all of em ? 820837;1409969179;mircea_popescu; punkman: Find any interesting physical coins or are Casascius coins still as good as it gets? << you ever seen my huge copper round ? 820838;1409969217;artifexd;I have not 820839;1409969271;mircea_popescu;hm lemme see 820840;1409969273;artifexd;!s copper round 820841;1409969274;assbot;1 results for 'copper round' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=copper+round 820842;1409969335;mircea_popescu;artifexd http://trilema.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/04/2nd-conference-6.jpg 820843;1409969342;mircea_popescu;it's only "mine" in the sense i bought one. 820844;1409969391;artifexd;Does it carry any block chain value or is it just pretty? 820845;1409969456;mircea_popescu;whoa shit, you mean a parachute FOR THE ACTUAL PLANE !? 820846;1409969462;mircea_popescu;bejesus, talk about just giving up 820847;1409969471;mircea_popescu;artifexd just pretty. also huge, like 2 inches wide. 820848;1409969480;decimation;mircea_popescu: yeah the whole plane has a parachute 820849;1409969507;artifexd;Who produced it? 820850;1409969509;decimation;mircea_popescu: as geenspun explains, it is a legitimate safety mechanism, but it doesn't make up for the apparently "comfortable" handling 820851;1409969510;mircea_popescu;this is like a submarine with wheels. 820852;1409969518;mircea_popescu;because you just can'tg keep it in the water , and they know it 820853;1409969531;mircea_popescu;artifexd wao got them iirc. 820854;1409969557;decimation;mircea_popescu: well, the theory on that one blog is that because it has a parachute, inexperienced derps think they are invincible 820855;1409969593;decimation;so for example one guy got in one late at night in bad weather and flew it into a hill 820856;1409969597;mircea_popescu;from what i gather, it was missold. 820857;1409969610;mircea_popescu;ie, sold not as an expensive and dangerous toy, but as a commuting tool. 820858;1409969612;mircea_popescu;that, it is not. 820859;1409969632;decimation;anyone who thinks of small airplanes as a commuting tool has a date with death 820860;1409969666;mircea_popescu;"Normally a single-engine airplane has to be spun as part of the certification process. The Cirrus wasn’t. The FAA waived this requirement and accepted the airframe parachute as an alternate means of compliance. I kid you not, the spin recovery in a Cirrus is based on deploying the chute. That is the only way a pilot can recover from a spin in a Cirrus." 820861;1409969668;mircea_popescu;jerks. 820862;1409969679;mircea_popescu;legitimate my foot and who the fuck would fly that. good call TheNewDeal 820863;1409969702;mircea_popescu;an unspinable single engine is not airworthy wtf. 820864;1409969712;decimation;it is true that if you want to fly a little airplane you are better off with a basic piper cub without fancy electronics 820865;1409969757;mircea_popescu;forget the electronics, this isn't a question of electronics in any sense. this is a question of fucking foil in flow. 820866;1409969776;decimation;right, but the point is that the shiny electronics is what sells the plane as 'safe' 820867;1409969784;mircea_popescu;i can throw a rock off a tall building and it'll spoend some time in the air too, that doesn't make it an airplane. 820868;1409969832;decimation;if one really wants a reliable communting airplane, one needs to spend several million $ to buy a reasonable jet that can fly above weather 820869;1409969832;mircea_popescu;you know, it occurs to me, all these small single engine planes should be only launched upside down from like 3 meters. by law. 820870;1409969842;mircea_popescu;if it can't take off you just drop 3 meters and spend a month in casts for your sins 820871;1409969875;mircea_popescu;if it can take off like that you'll be ok. 820872;1409969882;decimation;like Hammurabi's code for aeronautical engineers? 820873;1409969936;mircea_popescu;yes. 820874;1409969949;decimation;The other day I witnessed a particularly skilled glider pilot perform full loops, he did 3 in a row. 820875;1409969975;decimation;The pilot who landed that jet in the hudson was a skilled glider pilot 820876;1409969975;mircea_popescu;"mp's gallow" it should be called. Γ << launch from there. 820877;1409969994;decimation;mircea_popescu: I don't think any plane would survive that test 820878;1409969999;decimation;if it started from a dead stop 820879;1409970003;mircea_popescu;problem solved. 820880;1409970009;mircea_popescu;that's what i do, i solve problems :D 820881;1409970020;decimation;one would need a nazi-style rocket engine 820882;1409970128;decimation;usg tried to modify a c-130 to land inside the Tehran soccer stadium to rescue the Iran hostages https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5gXfK4ypirI 820883;1409970128;assbot;Lockheed YMC-130 Combat Talon Operation Credible Sport JATO Accident - YouTube 820884;1409970131;decimation;It didn't work very well 820885;1409970280;asciilifeform;does anyone still fly those 'suicide' choppers that consist of a chair and motorcycle engine ? 820886;1409970296;asciilifeform;seems like an even better 'darwinator' than the amateur planes. 820887;1409970320;asciilifeform;(which work well enough in skilled hands) 820888;1409970441;asciilifeform;'The test bed aircraft (74-2065) was ready for its first test flight on September 18, 1980, just three weeks after the project was initiated.' <<< picture modern usg doing anything whatsoever on this schedule. 820889;1409970529;decimation;asciilifeform: yeah it seems unlikely doesn't it? 820890;1409970636;asciilifeform;spin recovery in a Cirrus is based on deploying the chute << if true, who bought this machine - and why ? 820891;1409970753;decimation;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZsOO03dHXGg 820892;1409970754;assbot;Fatal Paragliding Accident Caught On Camera - YouTube 820893;1409970800;decimation;asciilifeform: apparently the guy was a retiree http://www.jsonline.com/news/milwaukee/coast-guard-ends-search-for-brookfield-pilot-missing-after-crash-b99342068z1-273395281.html 820894;1409970801;assbot;Coast Guard ends search for Brookfield pilot missing after crash 820895;1409970847;decimation;given the circumstances of the crash, I think it is likely that the cockpit pressurization system failed - or the guy had a heart attack 820896;1409970915;asciilifeform;'...served as chairman of the board of Wiscraft Inc., a nonprofit organization dedicated to helping blind people find employment in manufacturing.' 820897;1409970927;*;asciilifeform wonders which manufacturers and of what... 820898;1409970982;asciilifeform;phun phact. when i worked for u.s. army, the building cafeteria had a - blind cashier. 820899;1409971000;asciilifeform;a result of some mandatory this-or-that. 820900;1409971007;decimation;asciilifeform: I think all USG pens are made by the blind: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Skilcraft 820901;1409971007;assbot;Skilcraft - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia 820902;1409971292;decimation;apparently mandatory purchasing from the blind became mandatory under FDR! This revision of USG has grown long in the tooth. 820903;1409971439;decimation;another interesting link: http://planesandstuff.wordpress.com/2014/06/13/2-b2-or-not-2-b2/ << this guy tracks the us air force from the UK with a few radios 820904;1409971440;assbot;2 B2 or not 2 B2 | planesandstuff 820905;1409975949;kakobrekla;;;tslb 820906;1409975955;gribble;Time since last block: 40 minutes and 12 seconds 820907;1409975975;kakobrekla;arent these suppose to be on a 10 min. 820908;1409975992;kakobrekla;i wanna complain to the bitcoin CEO. 820909;1409977625;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12400 @ 0.00063792 = 7.9102 BTC [+] 820910;1409978691;[]bot;Bet placed: 1 BTC for Yes on "Bitcoin to drop under $400 before October" http://bitbet.us/bet/1029/ Odds: 27(Y):73(N) by coin, 24(Y):76(N) by weight. Total bet: 12.3260912 BTC. Current weight: 52,800. 820911;1409979089;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5000 @ 0.00063792 = 3.1896 BTC [+] 820912;1409979289;artifexd;S.MPOE fell off a cliff again? Volatility that almost rivals BTC itself. 820913;1409987629;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 922 @ 0.00068615 = 0.6326 BTC [-] {11} 820914;1409988094;[]bot;Bet placed: 2 BTC for No on "Bitcoin to drop under $400 before October" http://bitbet.us/bet/1029/ Odds: 23(Y):77(N) by coin, 22(Y):78(N) by weight. Total bet: 14.3260912 BTC. Current weight: 52,477. 820915;1409988422;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5050 @ 0.00063768 = 3.2203 BTC [-] 820916;1409991927;punkman;artifexd, yeah there's a few nice coins. I liked the Antana concept, but they stopped making new ones. http://antanacoins.com/ 820917;1409991928;assbot;Physical bitcoin statistic coin by ANTANA 820918;1409992184;punkman;after sleeping on it, I think I should try to make some of my own coins. Design suggestions welcome. 820919;1409992275;mircea_popescu;;;google 1MqDj3fUp5Zdh275oS9NBAmcjYmuKzFNHL 820920;1409992275;gribble;Bitcoin Block #319107 - Blockchain.info: ; Bitcoin Block #318781 - Blockchain.info: ; Bitcoin Block #319030 - Blockchain.info: 820921;1409992285;punkman;mircea_popescu: you ever seen my huge copper round ? << I thought you'd pull out a dick pic right there 820922;1409992308;mircea_popescu;now why did you think that. 820923;1409992312;punkman;but yeah that MJB design is everywhere. I think I might grab a couple. 820924;1409992509;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17681 @ 0.00063697 = 11.2623 BTC [-] {4} 820925;1409992717;punkman;http://aeon.co/magazine/psychology/humans-are-wired-for-negativity-for-good-or-ill/ 820926;1409992718;assbot;Praise feels good, but negativity is stronger Jacob Burak Aeon 820927;1409992794;punkman;another thing supporting the "all on No" proposition 820928;1409992917;mircea_popescu;decimation blind people being able to do something with themselves other than mope isn't such a bad thing 820929;1409992928;mircea_popescu; i wanna complain to the bitcoin CEO. <<< satoshi is dead son. 820930;1409993912;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17950 @ 0.00063851 = 11.4613 BTC [+] {4} 820931;1409998338;punkman;https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=703713.0 820932;1409998338;assbot;[WTS] Ultra Rare 1BTC Silver-Gold Round /w "The Golden Heart" error! 820933;1409998361;punkman;10 BTC seems a bit expensive 820934;1410001801;RagnarDanneskjol;http://googleonlinesecurity.blogspot.com/2014/09/gradually-sunsetting-sha-1.html 820935;1410001801;assbot;Google Online Security Blog: Gradually sunsetting SHA-1 820936;1410003523;BingoBoingo;http://www.wired.com/2014/09/the-fbi-finally-says-how-it-legally-pinpointed-silk-roads-server/ 820937;1410003523;assbot;The FBI Finally Says How It ‘Legally’ Pinpointed Silk Road’s Server | Threat Level | WIRED 820938;1410004770;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9800 @ 0.00063506 = 6.2236 BTC [-] 820939;1410006234;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 80 @ 0.00712561 = 0.57 BTC [-] {7} 820940;1410007760;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12500 @ 0.00063695 = 7.9619 BTC [+] 820941;1410008309;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2627 @ 0.0006363 = 1.6716 BTC [-] 820942;1410010504;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 10 @ 0.16998 = 1.6998 BTC [+] {2} 820943;1410015077;asciilifeform;http://www.van-ads.com/venues << all zero but one ? 820944;1410015078;assbot;Vulpes Ad Network 820945;1410015126;*;asciilifeform not surprised re: which one. 820946;1410015474;Apocalyptic;https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=771336.msg8698994#msg8698994 820947;1410015474;assbot;Free $5 in Bitcoins from Coinbase! 820948;1410015483;Apocalyptic;Coinbase buying bitcoin users info for cheap 820949;1410017845;artifexd;!s cryptominer 820950;1410017845;assbot;0 results for 'cryptominer' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=cryptominer 820951;1410018511;BingoBoingo;!up ThickAsThieves 820952;1410018546;asciilifeform;'There once was a cyber attack; / The Chinese our network did hack. / Since arguably / Cyber’s WMD / Do you think we should nuke them right back?' << actual example from usg's limerick contest. (http://cryptome.org/2014/09/natsec-thesis.pdf) 820953;1410018558;ThickAsThieves;lol check out newegg propaganda 820954;1410018562;ThickAsThieves;http://blog.newegg.com/saving-bitcoin-good-idea/ 820955;1410018564;assbot;Why Saving Your Bitcoin is Not a Good Idea | Newegg Unscrambled 820956;1410018572;ThickAsThieves;"If Bitcoin is Used for Evil, Why is It Still Good?" 820957;1410018584;ThickAsThieves;"With so many great reasons to use Bitcoin instead of cash or credit cards, merchants strongly believe that the good far outweighs the evil. Unfortunately, many people that own Bitcoin aren’t using it to complete transactions, but are instead hoarding the cryptocurrency as an investment. 820958;1410018584;ThickAsThieves;This is a bad idea." 820959;1410018597;ThickAsThieves;If you own Bitcoin, it’s much better to spend it than to save it for two reasons: 820960;1410018598;ThickAsThieves;It could become worthless overnight. 820961;1410018598;ThickAsThieves;Its future depends on it. 820962;1410018607;ThickAsThieves;awesome 820963;1410018729;ThickAsThieves;"It’s important to know that Bitcoin’s value is too volatile to be worth much today. That’s why most retailers who accept it as payment immediately sell. This point is from Duke University finance professor Campbell Harvey, who hopes to offer a course in cryptofinance in 2015." 820964;1410019023;asciilifeform;obligatory: 820965;1410019044;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 77 @ 0.01045647 = 0.8051 BTC [+] {3} 820966;1410019048;asciilifeform;'They tend to show up late at parties because they figure they can always steal the cake anyway, so why bother go early ? Let the suckers figure out first - on their own dime - where the good cakes are, then just swoop in and collect... This means the only way they can get in is if you let them get in. Don?t let them get in for cheap - they have no business here.' (mp's http://trilema.com/2014/people-us-dollar) 820967;1410019050;assbot;People! US Dollars are not worth a fifth of a Bitcent. STOP SELLING! pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. 820968;1410019227;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] [PAID] 1.40905957 BTC to 15`371 shares, 9167 satoshi per share 820969;1410019288;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] [PAID] 4.65745140 BTC to 1`149`988 shares, 405 satoshi per share 820970;1410019953;mod6;%tslb 820971;1410019956;atcbot;Time Since Last ATC Block: 0 hour(s), 55 minutes 820972;1410020386;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3700 @ 0.00063886 = 2.3638 BTC [-] 820973;1410021290;mircea_popescu;;;ticker 820974;1410021291;gribble;Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 483.0, Best ask: 484.0, Bid-ask spread: 1.00000, Last trade: 484.0, 24 hour volume: 3887.03400760, 24 hour low: 473.03, 24 hour high: 484.0, 24 hour vwap: 479.305821768 820975;1410021299;mircea_popescu;fluffypony people be loath to paypal. 820976;1410021331;fluffypony;yeah, but risk is all on my side :) 820977;1410021364;mircea_popescu;nah, there've been cases where paying acct got locked. 820978;1410021406;mircea_popescu;i don't mean from a "you run off with monyz" perspective, loath. i mean "paypal=assholes not keep that much there" perspective. 820979;1410021415;punkman;I've had PP limited twice when I spent a lot in one transaction 820980;1410021418;fluffypony;oh yeah see what you're saying 820981;1410021598;ThickAsThieves;http://dpaste.com/2ZAFGC5 820982;1410021599;assbot;dpaste: 2ZAFGC5: Coinbase Inquisition, by tat 820983;1410021644;fluffypony;ThickAsThieves: lol 820984;1410021662;mircea_popescu;"We appreciate you being" did this get accepted meanwhile ? 820985;1410021673;mircea_popescu;what do they appreciate you or the being ? 820986;1410021683;fluffypony;I recently did about $35 000 through the local exchange, and all they did was email me to ask if there's anything they can do to improve their site 820987;1410021686;ThickAsThieves;i'll translate 820988;1410021701;ThickAsThieves;"we know you wont do business with us if we ask, but we'd like to try asking anyway" 820989;1410021717;mircea_popescu;ThickAsThieves maybe tell them that lol. 820990;1410021728;mircea_popescu;"find a business model where you don't need to ask or you don't have a business" 820991;1410021753;ThickAsThieves;i found the email outright offensive 820992;1410021780;mircea_popescu;well that means your brain's not fallen to sclerosis yet :D 820993;1410022004;ThickAsThieves;my bank never asked squat, fwiw 820994;1410022108;[]bot;Bet placed: 13.520356 BTC for Yes on "BTC Difficulty over 31Bn before October" http://bitbet.us/bet/1028/ Odds: 92(Y):8(N) by coin, 88(Y):12(N) by weight. Total bet: 76.00227226 BTC. Current weight: 38,548. 820995;1410022233;mircea_popescu;o.O 820996;1410022256;mircea_popescu;fluffypony decided ah what the fuck, i can't sell this btc for paypal, might as well dump it on gambling. 820997;1410022264;fluffypony;LOL 820998;1410022504;asciilifeform;http://dpaste.com/2ZAFGC5 << why use 'coinbase' again ? 820999;1410022505;assbot;dpaste: 2ZAFGC5: Coinbase Inquisition, by tat 821000;1410022586;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform to give the usg the false impression that its idiocy may work ? 821001;1410022649;mircea_popescu;;;bc,diff 821002;1410022650;gribble;Error: "bc,diff" is not a valid command. 821003;1410022654;*;asciilifeform is a believer in vonnegut's 'you are what you pretend to be, so be careful what you pretend to be' 821004;1410022665;mod6;;;bc,stats 821005;1410022667;gribble;Current Blocks: 319411 | Current Difficulty: 2.7428630902257874E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 320543 | Next Difficulty In: 1132 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 0 days, 3 hours, 56 minutes, and 57 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 29369109956.2 | Estimated Percent Change: 7.07465 821006;1410022676;mircea_popescu;a ty mod6 821007;1410022680;mod6;yw 821008;1410022720;mircea_popescu;;;calc 2.7 * (1.15)**2 821009;1410022721;gribble;3.57075 821010;1410022725;mircea_popescu;;;calc 2.7 * (1.05)**2 821011;1410022725;gribble;2.97675 821012;1410022734;*;asciilifeform is more or less permanently allergic to public btc exchanges of any kind 821013;1410022734;mircea_popescu;;;calc 2.7 * (1.068)**2 821014;1410022734;gribble;3.0796848 821015;1410022735;kakobrekla; http://dpaste.com/2ZAFGC5 << why use 'coinbase' again ? << cause they got inquisitioned out of bitstamp 821016;1410022736;assbot;dpaste: 2ZAFGC5: Coinbase Inquisition, by tat 821017;1410022775;mircea_popescu;i have nfi why that bet is so lopsided on yes. for that matter, there could very well be a single block retarget before oct. 821018;1410022855;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform you familiar with premedieval economy in the north of europe ? 821019;1410022868;mircea_popescu;the sounds of scania and all that 821020;1410022903;asciilifeform;only vaguely 821021;1410022934;mircea_popescu;the reason the hansa existed, as a basis for german style civilisation and the fundament of what was later dutch (and, after the blodless dutch conquest of britannia, english commercialism) 821022;1410022962;mircea_popescu;was this peculiar behaviour of fish, to congregate in this particular spot up north, to the point they got so thick you could fish with a sword. 821023;1410022987;mircea_popescu;this created a cheap source of protein as well as incentives to industrialise, because salt was needed to cure the meat so it kept. 821024;1410023024;mircea_popescu;conveniently, salt was very easy to mine, and the process to cure very simple. it never ceases to amaze anyone who seriously studies anthropology not that water is conveniently a universal solvent AND AT THE SAME TIME has a huge caloric capacity, 821025;1410023051;mircea_popescu;making it thus possible for stable solute temperatures - althrough in principle there's no absolute reasons requiring this fortuitous coincidence life requires absolutely 821026;1410023073;mircea_popescu;but that every single other step was always althrough history equaly conveniently "just as long as the baby's shins" 821027;1410023076;asciilifeform;'anthropic principle' etc etc 821028;1410023078;mircea_popescu;quite. 821029;1410023091;*;asciilifeform pages max tegmark 821030;1410023096;mircea_popescu;moving on : as far as the at-the-time humans could tell, the fish were "a gift from god", who ordered them to surrender to human interest. 821031;1410023104;kakobrekla;great chinese usb b connector. you can rotate it 180 degrees and plugs in fine. 821032;1410023114;mircea_popescu;however, we know better right. so why did the fish regularly engage in a behaviour which the other party considered suicidal ? 821033;1410023121;asciilifeform;kakobrekla: you can make from normal one with hacksaw. 821034;1410023132;mircea_popescu;kakobrekla it's supposed to do that. 821035;1410023138;kakobrekla;too bad you cant undo it with a hacksaw. 821036;1410023142;mircea_popescu;lol 821037;1410023144;kakobrekla;trolls! 821038;1410023273;asciilifeform;coinbase users as migratory herring. 821039;1410023274;*;asciilifeform likes. 821040;1410023300;mircea_popescu;tis what it is. 821041;1410023315;mircea_popescu;not people but things, nevertheless things have their own substance too. they exist. 821042;1410023414;mircea_popescu;and now you know more of business than virtually any business major in the continental us. 821043;1410023428;mircea_popescu;the entire fucking thing is basically cargo-cultism trying to re-enact the sounds of scania. somehow. 821044;1410023433;mircea_popescu;maybe if we put the twigs like this... 821045;1410023556;punkman;from the btc-loans-are-great dept. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=289668.msg5449688#msg5449688 821046;1410023556;assbot;Design a physical Bitcoin - (CONTEST IS CLOSED) 821047;1410023633;asciilifeform;physical Bitcoin << two-legged vacuum lamp half filled with gallium. 821048;1410023662;penguirker;New blog post: http://trilema.com/2014/let-me-give-you-ideas/ 821049;1410023863;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5889 @ 0.00063886 = 3.7622 BTC [-] 821050;1410023869;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: http://trilema.com/2014/let-me-give-you-ideas/#comment-107457 821051;1410023870;assbot;Let me give you ideas pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. 821052;1410024080;mircea_popescu;;;later tell mike_c hey is the wol chainwatcher behind on blocks ? 821053;1410024080;gribble;The operation succeeded. 821054;1410024203;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform aw shit nature beat me to it. 821055;1410024213;asciilifeform;careful whatchawishfor. 821056;1410024344;mircea_popescu;http://sportysnetwork.com/airfacts/wp-content/blogs.dir/13/files/2012/06/bonanza-ad.jpg << aparently aviatics in the us have a long history of this retarded pitch 821057;1410024367;mircea_popescu;"you know what'd be best for you ? if after a long harrowing day you get to worry about thge weather and take off stressed in the dark" 821058;1410024372;mircea_popescu;fucking conspiracy of gold diggers 821059;1410025096;BingoBoingo;Fucking doing it so wrong http://www.isp.state.il.us/crimhistory/CHRIdecrypt.pdf 821060;1410025183;mircea_popescu;punkman true story : one of the cab companies in timisoara is called "bimbo vest" 821061;1410025185;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: every usg fiefdom, large and small, has own fake pgp. 821062;1410025203;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: wait till you see what u.s. military orders are signed with (when signed!) 821063;1410025204;mircea_popescu;psp. 821064;1410025223;BingoBoingo;fkt? 821065;1410025243;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: bimbo vest << in usa, we have 'bimba' - they make pneumatic & hydraulic pistons. ubiquitous. 821066;1410025272;mircea_popescu;in costa rica, the wonderbread supplier is called BIMBO 821067;1410025306;mircea_popescu;http://www.grupobimbo.com/es/index.html 821068;1410025308;assbot;Inicio :: Grupo Bimbo 821069;1410025428;asciilifeform;airplane scam << https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ERCO_Ercoupe#mediaviewer/File:1946_Ercoupe_Advertisement_in_Skyways.jpg << i live near the ruins of a factory where these were once made. 821070;1410025428;assbot;ERCO Ercoupe - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia 821071;1410025512;*;asciilifeform is not convinced that cheap civil aviation in usa died a natural (i.e. market) death. 821072;1410025552;kakobrekla;dc polarity protection without a diode (cant afford -0.5v) and without a relay (cant afford another -70ma) anyone ? 821073;1410025564;asciilifeform;kakobrekla: LTC4412. 821074;1410025596;kakobrekla;;;google ltc4412 821075;1410025596;gribble;LTC4412 - Linear Technology: ; LTC4412 - Linear Technology: ; Purchase LTC4412 direct from Linear Technology: 821076;1410025600;asciilifeform;kakobrekla: or equivalent ( ask your supplier for 'ideal diode' ) 821077;1410025627;*;mircea_popescu is curious what bomb kakobrekla is making 821078;1410025645;kakobrekla;one that goes bang. 821079;1410025646;asciilifeform;kakobrekla: you can also use a plain mosfet if you know what you're doing 821080;1410025688;kakobrekla;better we assume i dont. 821081;1410025698;asciilifeform;kakobrekla: 'ideal diode' then. 821082;1410025906;kakobrekla;might just do the trick. 821083;1410026004;punkman;mircea_popescu: idea #1, kinda: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/women/womens-life/10911242/At-last-the-clothes-store-that-lets-you-shoplift-for-a-day.html 821084;1410026005;assbot;At last, the clothes store that lets you shoplift for a day - Telegraph 821085;1410026018;asciilifeform;kakobrekla: http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=2T065Axn 821086;1410026020;mircea_popescu;shit. my ideas ;/ 821087;1410026021;asciilifeform;kakobrekla: cheapo. 821088;1410026071;mircea_popescu;punkman afaik that's how 90% of white women uder 30 shop for clothes. 821089;1410026100;kakobrekla;ty asciilifeform 821090;1410026101;mircea_popescu;i recall this particularly instructive event when derpy noob woman started her own couture brand & shop 821091;1410026122;mircea_popescu;at some financial risk. but then her worries were rest at ease when > 25% of stock sold within a week 821092;1410026133;mircea_popescu;and then she went under as 90% of that was returned within another week 821093;1410026174;punkman;that's why you sell them online, and let them pay for shipping to return 821094;1410026181;ThickAsThieves;ha! i know that girl in the stock image on punkman's link 821095;1410026196;mircea_popescu;ThickAsThieves what happened to her nose ? 821096;1410026209;ThickAsThieves;she's got a lot of freckles for a mixed girl 821097;1410026285;punkman;how's this for a coin inscription: ducunt volentem fata, nolentem trahunt 821098;1410026324;ThickAsThieves;pretty good 821099;1410026392;mircea_popescu;make it ducunt volentem Bitcoinae, nolentem trahunt 821100;1410026460;ThickAsThieves;;;rated ben_vulpes 821101;1410026461;gribble;You have not yet rated user ben_vulpes 821102;1410026478;ThickAsThieves;;;rated benkay 821103;1410026479;gribble;You have not yet rated user benkay 821104;1410026618;ThickAsThieves;;;rate ben_vulpes 2 Met IRL for drinks and neither of us murdered the other 821105;1410026619;gribble;Rating entry successful. Your rating of 2 for user ben_vulpes has been recorded. 821106;1410026786;ThickAsThieves;http://www.wired.com/2014/09/for-sale-soon-the-worlds-first-google-glass-detector/ 821107;1410026787;assbot;For Sale Soon: The World’s First Google Glass Detector | Threat Level | WIRED 821108;1410026857;mircea_popescu;A young lad who climed up in a tree was stung in the balls by a bee.He then made oodles of money by oozing pure honey every time he attempted to pee. 821109;1410026993;asciilifeform;ThickAsThieves: as if the vendors of the hated gizmos really had to include, e.g, 'google' in the hello packet. 821110;1410027034;mircea_popescu;so basically that thing does... nothing. 821111;1410027137;asciilifeform;being zapped - is voluntary. 821112;1410027193;mircea_popescu;technology keeps empowering betas to be weird thus pissing women off 821113;1410027431;mircea_popescu;ThickAsThieves ;;rate ben_vulpes 2 Met IRL for drinks and neither of us murdered the other << lol neither of you strike as teh murderin' kind 821114;1410027458;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: empowering betas to be weird >> http://www.wired.com/2014/09/armys-new-laser-cannon-blasts-drones-out-of-the-sky-even-in-fog << e.g. this. yes, let's draw a ruler in the sky straight to own artillery position, 821115;1410027458;assbot;Army’s New Laser Cannon Blasts Drones Out of the Sky, Even in Fog | Autopia | WIRED 821116;1410027491;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform i think it's called shoot and move. 821117;1410027563;mircea_popescu;the funny part here being how the line of the us agitprop was "o laser can't hurt our drones" for as long as it took em to finally get a laser mounted on a truck. 821118;1410027576;asciilifeform;not even to mention the traditional cheap answer to such tricks (ablative coating.) 821119;1410027641;mircea_popescu;i have nfi why they imagine it'll be useful against "rockets" and mortar shot. 821120;1410027660;mircea_popescu;it's quite obviously there to protect the us spy ships from their own drones, which apparently the chnese are mostly lifting 821121;1410027693;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: fat rockets dropping on parachutes, self-aimed at tank turrets (see yesterday's film with ukrs clobbered by such. 1980s soviet product.) 821122;1410027712;asciilifeform;only this rocket. 821123;1410027768;mircea_popescu;" for use against incoming rockets, artillery and mortar strikes" the man said. 821124;1410027797;mircea_popescu;"the amazing technicolor rainbow suit. more effective than kevlar!" 821125;1410027797;assbot;AMAZING COMPANY! 821126;1410027832;asciilifeform;incidentally, i've the pill against 'batteries suck, can't make useful drones in jungle conditions' 821127;1410027845;asciilifeform;wire guidance and... wire power. 821128;1410027870;asciilifeform;a la 'PTURS' 821129;1410027891;mircea_popescu;so basically a very advanced kite ? 821130;1410027892;asciilifeform;but with five-dollar electric motors. 821131;1410027897;mircea_popescu;and hire a bunch of middle easterner kite flyers ? 821132;1410027905;asciilifeform;nah, same as the customary model flying machine 821133;1410027912;mircea_popescu;(you know, the folk who know how to kite duel and cut wires ?) 821134;1410027915;asciilifeform;but unlimited endurance, and range as long as your spool 821135;1410027929;asciilifeform;objective can even be to wrap enemy in wire. 821136;1410027945;asciilifeform;(connect 100kV when done.) 821137;1410027952;mircea_popescu;"our strategy is to win by covering everything in plastic" 821138;1410027996;asciilifeform;if you can cover, e.g., 'predator' - in mylar - it's a brick. 821139;1410028039;asciilifeform;incidentally, you don't need two wires to power the machine. 821140;1410028071;asciilifeform;(high-frequency ac through 1 wire, rectifier a la tesla on the 'rocket' end.) 821141;1410028407;asciilifeform;kite << nope, ordinary 'n-copter' or even 'rocket' with propeller for thrust and servo-controlled fins. enemy can't jam - has to outrun or cut wire. can include whatever instruments (e.g. ir optics) you like. 821142;1410028923;chetty;asciilifeform, forget the gasenwagen you'll get a nice little lab to build toys (with bars of course) 821143;1410028926;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4941 @ 0.0006363 = 3.144 BTC [-] 821144;1410028938;asciilifeform;lol if stalin comes back from grave. 821145;1410029031;asciilifeform;'I asked him to describe the equipment needed to focus x-rays at a lock and to read them, thinking that the “source” of the radiation would have to be large and well-shielded... ...The answer I received was quite amazing, but I guess not surprising. I was told that the isotopes which gave off the radiation were contained in a handheld tool about the size of a large flashlight. It was pointed at the lock and 821146;1410029031;assbot;AMAZING COMPANY! 821147;1410029031;asciilifeform;a separate piece of x-ray sensitive film was used to read the scatter. When I inquired about the safety of the operatives and their exposure to the potentially deadly radiation, Nicolai laughed...' 821148;1410029039;asciilifeform;(http://www.forbes.com/sites/marcwebertobias/2011/05/19/a-former-kgb-covert-entry-expert-speaks << oldie) 821149;1410029048;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12600 @ 0.00063233 = 7.9674 BTC [-] 821150;1410029361;mircea_popescu;<chetty> asciilifeform, forget the gasenwagen you'll get a nice little lab to build toys (with bars of course) << the special wagenb :D 821151;1410030085;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16750 @ 0.00063186 = 10.5837 BTC [-] 821152;1410030419;fluffypony;http://i.imgur.com/uBUc8be.jpg 821153;1410030647;asciilifeform;fluffypony: bonus points for the unmistakeably-soviet 'maxim' (2nd from bottom.) 821154;1410030653;fluffypony;lol 821155;1410031507;*;asciilifeform found out today that titanium toothpicks are sold. and wishes to know what they are used for. 821156;1410031537;asciilifeform;gauss gun darts ? 821157;1410031641;asciilifeform;(perhaps not. Ti has terrible conductivity.) 821158;1410032124;penguirker;New blog post: http://www.bcoinnews.com/okpay-refunds-mtgox/ 821159;1410032448;mircea_popescu;!up deafboy 821160;1410032460;mircea_popescu;!up mculp 821161;1410032470;mircea_popescu;%p 821162;1410032472;atcbot;No data returned from CoinMiner.net 821163;1410032472;atcbot;[PityThePool Hashrate]: 592.51 GH/s [iSpace Pool Hashrate]: 1.23 TH/s 821164;1410032689;mircea_popescu;http://naughtybits.us/wp-content/uploads/2014/08/camel-toe-challenge.jpg 821165;1410032774;mircea_popescu;http://naughtybits.us/ generally not so bad 821166;1410032775;assbot;Naughty Bits 821167;1410032953;mircea_popescu;http://naughtybits.us/wp-content/uploads/2014/09/fart-like-a-clydesdale_small.jpg 821168;1410033390;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform http://naughtybits.us/wp-content/uploads/2014/08/cok-juice.jpg :D 821169;1410033399;mircea_popescu;now i get why suka. 821170;1410033403;asciilifeform;lol! 821171;1410033579;decimation;re: small plane safety: http://philip.greenspun.com/flying/safety " If you don't want to die like JFK, Jr., who became disoriented on a dark and hazy night over water, don't fly at night or don't fly at night unless you're absolutely sure that it will be clear with a bright moon. If you don't want to die when a 25-year-old part fails in mid-air, get a new airplane. " 821172;1410033580;assbot;General Aviation Safety 821173;1410033600;decimation;"I will be there on June 5 at 6:00 pm." Pilots of light aircraft who utter sentences of that form are very high risk pilots, regardless of skill level. 821174;1410033620;mircea_popescu;also in the same spirit : http://naughtybits.us/wp-content/uploads/2014/08/Heat-strokes-are-really-bad.gif make sure you get laid often enough. 821175;1410033624;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3050 @ 0.00063674 = 1.9421 BTC [+] 821176;1410033664;decimation;I have a simple solution to small aircraft accidents: don't let humans fly 821177;1410033677;mircea_popescu;can it be extended to "don't let humans drive" ? 821178;1410033709;decimation;yeah, pretty much, but car driving is a 'human right' in the us 821179;1410033743;mircea_popescu;so then. so's flying. 821180;1410033767;decimation;I just heard this podcast on "free market" environmentalism: http://www.econtalk.org/archives/2014/08/terry_anderson.html 821181;1410033768;assbot;" + soundfiledesc + " 821182;1410033788;decimation;his solution to "save the wales"? attach transponders so that humans can claim ownership 821183;1410033797;mircea_popescu;lol 821184;1410033818;mircea_popescu;i think when people talk of saving things, the don't mean save them in the sense cockroaches are saved. 821185;1410033856;decimation;hehe yeah but they should. I suspect more chickens live and die in the us alone every year than all of humanity 821186;1410033936;mircea_popescu;yeah but what life is that. 821187;1410033971;mircea_popescu;if there was a way to save whales but it meant bottling them... if there was a way to attain immortality but you had to be an overweight, socially awkward shut-in ? etc. 821188;1410033987;asciilifeform;dulap! 821189;1410034030;*;asciilifeform recently learned that, for some niche applications, the known substitutes for whale oil are rather poor. 821190;1410034040;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform http://naughtybits.us/wp-content/uploads/2014/08/aqua-man.jpg ask and thou shalt receive. 821191;1410034059;mircea_popescu;yeah, there's still no substitute for petrified whale vomit. 821192;1410034179;asciilifeform;large number of gearbox failures in '70s was blamed on the faux oil. 821193;1410034201;asciilifeform;similar to present-day situation with pb-free solders. 821194;1410034202;decimation;asciilifeform: I thought that the usg signed stuff with rsa certs generally 821195;1410034220;asciilifeform;decimation: yes, but with what. 821196;1410034317;decimation;well, certs that are hand-rolled on the thighs of young maidens by contractors with specific (unstated) qualifications: http://www.forge.mil/ExternalPKI.html 821197;1410034376;asciilifeform;(typically - ms-outlook.) 821198;1410034411;mircea_popescu;the army hasn't had a young maiden singe semiramis. 821199;1410034418;mircea_popescu;you're thinking navy. 821200;1410034433;mircea_popescu;and even there it's just the head. 821201;1410034497;decimation;re: navy << http://www.navytimes.com/article/20131115/NEWS06/311150017/-Fat-Leonard-fallout-Officers-talk-growing-bribery-scandal-epic-parties- They are more willing to pay for Singaporean whores 821202;1410034525;decimation;"Federal prosecutors allege that Leonard Glenn Francis, the head of the Navy’s primary husbanding company in Asia, regularly enticed naval officers to direct warships to more lucrative ports for his business by offering bribes including junkets, prostitutes, cash — even “Lion King†tickets." 821203;1410034576;mircea_popescu;what exactly makes this an allegation ? 821204;1410034595;decimation;well, it's the 'navy times' 821205;1410034599;mircea_popescu;if he hadn't he should be fucking fired for being a humorless, idiotic puritan and bad for business. 821206;1410034679;decimation;this goes to what those in the us perceive as 'corruption'. 821207;1410034717;mircea_popescu;yes, but then again the us is chiefly known for having squandered a fortune and built up the history's largest pile of unserviced ious. 821208;1410034724;asciilifeform;'corruption' in usa is just the same as, e.g., russian 'corruption' - took some, didn't share upwards with superior. 821209;1410034730;mircea_popescu;hardly a collection of people to follow in business. 821210;1410034758;asciilifeform;(with regards to which 'corruption' ends up a matter for criminal courts) 821211;1410034841;mircea_popescu;http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3OAqx7CJ1ew 821212;1410034841;assbot;Chris Rock shows the Black Progress (Tiger Woods) - YouTube 821213;1410034923;decimation;yeah if you zoom out, you realize this guy (or really his navy masters) is getting dinged for throwing a good party for some tired sailors in exchange for a few spare mil$ here and there: corruption! Throwing away trillions on various welfare/healthfare schemes: legitimate! 821214;1410035030;mircea_popescu;decimation the difference ? "poor people aren't having FUN on those foodstamps". 821215;1410035042;mircea_popescu;it's so provincially, mean and narrow minded puritanism it bleeds. 821216;1410035058;mircea_popescu;there should be a word for this specifically american idiocy phenomenon. derpitanism or something. 821217;1410035070;asciilifeform;obligatory: http://cluborlov.blogspot.com/2010/08/miserable-pursuits.html 821218;1410035071;assbot;ClubOrlov: Miserable Pursuits 821219;1410035087;decimation;the permanent bureaucrats who run usg are famous for this attitude 821220;1410035124;mircea_popescu;meanwhile at the other ranch, who the fuck needs viagra http://naughtybits.us/wp-content/uploads/2014/08/hole-in-one5_small.jpg 821221;1410035231;decimation;I think this 'Puritanism' stems from a basic lack of skills on the part of the bureaucratic leaders. i.e. if you don't know how to write a contract for a nuclear submarine, you try to make sure that your employees are well dressed and that 'decorum' is kept. 821222;1410035331;mircea_popescu;this may be how it survived, but no. it stems from stupid us women going to churches run by stupid irish men, back in 1950. 821223;1410035352;mircea_popescu;and from the fact that the idiotic population of the us allowed the tavern lobby to be broken up and replaced by the church lobby. 821224;1410035356;mircea_popescu;worst fucking choice ever. 821225;1410035395;mircea_popescu;a country in which dyonisos is defeated by apollon may do well for a while. but in this case, dyonisos was defeated by arachne. 821226;1410035398;mircea_popescu;what the fuck even. 821227;1410035440;mircea_popescu;(arachne, for they innocent of the classics, was a rude halfwit spinster - think modern day ceo-wannabe forum kid) 821228;1410035520;decimation;well when you give the vote to every breathing biped in a certain area this is pretty much what happens 821229;1410035526;mircea_popescu;not so. 821230;1410035547;mircea_popescu;it is actually a quite unique phenomenon. 821231;1410035581;asciilifeform;'I receive Welfare. I live off your labor: you pay taxes and I don't do shit, twice a month I head down to the clean and spacious welfare office at 1515 Broadway and pick up my check. ... What, you don't like me? You don't want to pay? It's not much—278 dollars a month. You don't want to pay. Well then why the fuck did you get me to come here, me and a whole crowd of Jews? Take it up with your propaganda—it' 821232;1410035581;asciilifeform;s too strong.' -- herr limonov. 821233;1410035626;mircea_popescu;lol 821234;1410035680;mircea_popescu;it's nonsense anyway. the people who actually make money - and by consequence pay taxes - have little problem with limonov and a bunch of other idiots getting 300 bux a month or w/e it is they get. which is why most rich people will pick a eager young slut's rent tab & so forth. da fuck does it make a difference anyway. 821235;1410035704;mircea_popescu;meanwhile poor people resent other poor people for various reasons. "she's a slut" "he's a bum" "they're too self righteous" etc. 821236;1410035720;fluffypony;;;rated danielpbarron 821237;1410035721;gribble;You have not yet rated user danielpbarron 821238;1410035738;fluffypony;;;rate danielpbarron 2 safe, efficient, 5-digit trade 821239;1410035740;gribble;Rating entry successful. Your rating of 2 for user danielpbarron has been recorded. 821240;1410035746;decimation;yeah there's some truth to that. there's a matter of scale involved too 821241;1410035750;asciilifeform;rich people will pick a eager young slut's rent << quid pro quo, 'enjo kosai', etc. - not much like usg 'welfare' 821242;1410035767;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform not so. 821243;1410035775;decimation;the problem is the divorce between 'charity' and 'responsible to authority' 821244;1410035780;mircea_popescu;it's the abject middle class that haggles. 821245;1410035806;asciilifeform;there is not, afaik, a 'slut kolkhoz' maintained by usg... 821246;1410035809;mircea_popescu;what, you think the sultan of brunei actually fucks every girl in the 500+ strong harem ? 821247;1410035818;mircea_popescu;i know multiple chicks there, none of them having ever had it. 821248;1410035847;asciilifeform;lol! stage extras! 821249;1410035855;danielpbarron;;;rate fluffypony 3 my PPUSD for his BTC; I sent first, he followed through no problem. double digit BTC 821250;1410035856;gribble;Rating entry successful. Your rating for user fluffypony has changed from 1 to 3. 821251;1410035884;mircea_popescu;danielpbarron the funniest part of all of this being that all the -otc derpheads that rate you have not actually and colectively traded as much. 821252;1410035892;mircea_popescu;but hey, opinions, right ? who's not got some. 821253;1410036167;mircea_popescu;anyway, orlov misses the major point here. it's not about rich/poor as a measurable characteristic. some people are strong, some people are weak. whether the weak are temporarily rich or permanently poor makes little difference at all, money's not for them anyway, nor anything else good in life. 821254;1410036237;mircea_popescu;so you know, telling me how strong people who temporarily became poor didn't really give much of a shit in terms of "the rich" is about as confusing as discussing pregnancy in terms of "look what people can do". tis not people, tis women and women only that can do it. 821255;1410036724;decimation;"Take it up with your propaganda—it's too strong" << all manner of misery results when people start believing their own bullshit 821256;1410037071;mircea_popescu;http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mkYRdnxsqXM 821257;1410037071;assbot;How To Get A Girl To Show You Boobs Prank - YouTube 821258;1410038408;mod6;hahah 821259;1410039209;mircea_popescu;;;bc,stats 821260;1410039211;gribble;Current Blocks: 319449 | Current Difficulty: 2.7428630902257874E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 320543 | Next Difficulty In: 1094 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 5 days, 23 hours, 28 minutes, and 31 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 29685874927.8 | Estimated Percent Change: 8.22952 821261;1410039243;mircea_popescu;lol it just shaved a day in two hours. 821262;1410039263;decimation;;;tslb 821263;1410039271;gribble;Time since last block: 16 minutes and 8 seconds 821264;1410039335;mircea_popescu;kinda curious if the winter explosion takes us into e11 by new year's 821265;1410039376;decimation;!s winter explosion 821266;1410039376;assbot;0 results for 'winter explosion' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=winter+explosion 821267;1410039404;mircea_popescu;decimation there's this tendency for hasing to go up significantly oct-nov-dec 821268;1410039452;decimation;the winklevii fund will open sometime around then as well, which might attract more usd into btc 821269;1410039519;mircea_popescu;that thing had been opening for > 1 year, and was going to matter imminently for about as long. 821270;1410039524;decimation;http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2014-08-15/spiderwoman-brings-hope-to-winklevoss-twins-bitcoin-etf.html 821271;1410039525;assbot;Spiderwoman Brings Hope to Winklevoss Twins Bitcoin ETF - Bloomberg 821272;1410039537;mircea_popescu;it's what the french call a marote 821273;1410039660;decimation;yeah that's a good point. there's not a bitbet on this point interestingly 821274;1410040517;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.16999999 = 0.51 BTC [-] {2} 821275;1410041551;decimation;http://www.governmentattic.org/12docs/FBI-USAF-AlaskastayBehindAgentProgram_1947-1954.pdf 821276;1410042519;BingoBoingo;The punter tried to tackle: http://i.kinja-img.com/gawker-media/image/upload/s--E7xeAeZ1--/c_fit,fl_progressive,q_80,w_636/zwp2p9imqfeieamtdgne.gif 821277;1410043530;mircea_popescu;decimation there was. nobody cared. 821278;1410043573;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo did that guy die ? 821279;1410043598;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: Almost seems like it doesn't it. 821280;1410043611;mircea_popescu;yeah bad spinal curve 821281;1410043641;BingoBoingo;Pretty sure he isn't the sort to have passed the lab component of any physics course 821282;1410044006;mircea_popescu;!up dbit 821283;1410044696;asciilifeform;lol! '5. Agents should not have been members of the armed forces of the United States nor employees of the United States Government. 6. Agents should be chosen from those persons who will not be logical internees of the enemy.' 821284;1410044699;asciilifeform;compare with: 821285;1410044728;asciilifeform;'A portrait of an ideal agent for spetsnaz emerges something like this: a man of between fifty-five and sixty-five years of age who has never served in the army, never had access to secret documents, does not carry or own a weapon, knows nothing about hand-to-hand fighting, does not possess any secret equipment and doesn't support the Comunists, does not read the newspapers, was never in the Soviet Union and has 821286;1410044728;asciilifeform;never met any Soviet citizens, leads a lonely, introspective life, far from other people, and is by profession a forester, fisherman, lighthouse-keeper, security guard or railwayman. In many cases such an agent will be a physical invalid.' 821287;1410044748;asciilifeform;(suvorov's classical 'spetsnaz' - http://militera.lib.ru/research/suvorov6/08.html) 821288;1410044748;assbot; -- 821289;1410044976;mircea_popescu;as much wank. 821290;1410045006;mircea_popescu;the notion that anything like the present usg survives not defeat in the field, but merely an unfavourable if momentary turn of events is pushing it into sf. 821291;1410045028;asciilifeform;document concerns usg circa 1947-1954. 821292;1410045045;asciilifeform;(linked by decimation) 821293;1410045046;mircea_popescu;diff story. 821294;1410045064;mircea_popescu;something tells me relatively l;ittle has changed tho 821295;1410045095;mircea_popescu;prolly a lot more usability, but little fundamental revision 821296;1410045106;asciilifeform;lol, lusability 821297;1410045344;asciilifeform;'All Soviet interrogations are based on the assumptions that: (1) all prisoners are liars; (2) most Westerners can be bought; (3) those who cannot be bought can be broken; and (4) the process of breaking the prisoner can be continued as long as necessary to acquire the desired information.' 821298;1410045361;*;asciilifeform can picture the sheer machinist-grade squareness of the bricks these folks were shitting 821299;1410045583;asciilifeform;'The rules of grammar are many and precise and the person who speaks Eskimo cannot make any ambiguous statements.' << really now. 821300;1410045611;*;asciilifeform has seen this said about more than one obscure natural language, it always seems to be a reflection of the linguist's ineptitude, in practice. 821301;1410045724;BingoBoingo;Or their ego being unable to accept that their research subjects might be making jokes about them in front of their face 821302;1410045799;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: by now i'd imagine that assumption is SOP. but we're dealing with a vintage piece here. 821303;1410045851;asciilifeform;although, margaret mead already got pwned in samoa long before... 821304;1410045903;asciilifeform;though again - joke not 'offically' exposed until '80s 821305;1410046450;nubbins`;wtf is "Eskimo" 821306;1410046508;asciilifeform;nubbins`: linked document (military manual) suggests a type of pidgin, which it claims can be understood in much of alaska and northeastern ussr 821307;1410046516;asciilifeform;and refers to it as 'eskimo.' 821308;1410046525;nubbins`;interesting 821309;1410046540;nubbins`;the word eskimo is seen as derogatory in canada these days, you don't really see it in print anymore 821310;1410046568;cazalla;https://www.youtube.com/v/7ljvEKOMElY state dept propaganda doesn't have shit on the ones IS make 821311;1410046570;asciilifeform;in ussr, most children knew the word - as a brand label of delicious ice cream. 821312;1410046576;nubbins`;heh 821313;1410046589;nubbins`;in canada, we knew it as what is now called "inuit" :D 821314;1410046603;Apocalyptic;same in france 821315;1410048959;TheNewDeal;;;nethash 821316;1410048960;gribble;225405912.852 821317;1410049790;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4550 @ 0.00063455 = 2.8872 BTC [-] 821318;1410049851;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3400 @ 0.00063186 = 2.1483 BTC [-] 821319;1410052535;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9650 @ 0.00063484 = 6.1262 BTC [+] 821320;1410052962;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7550 @ 0.00063664 = 4.8066 BTC [+] 821321;1410053441;asciilifeform;http://www.mekanizmalar.com/fergusons_paradox.html 821322;1410053442;assbot;Ferguson's Paradox 821323;1410054548;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4081 @ 0.00063495 = 2.5912 BTC [-] 821324;1410054559;asciilifeform;http://www.mekanizmalar.com/desmodromics.html 821325;1410054560;assbot;Desmodromics Camshaft Mechanism 821326;1410054565;asciilifeform;and many other neat pictures. 821327;1410055280;asciilifeform;^ spot the perpetuum mobile. 821328;1410055309;asciilifeform;!up strup`fndr 821329;1410055320;asciilifeform;ninjashogun? 821330;1410055373;asciilifeform;stirrup finder ? 821331;1410055377;kakobrekla;strup as in poison? 821332;1410055384;asciilifeform;strup`fndr> hi, yes I am the same person (startup founder, offered services as well.) 821333;1410055389;asciilifeform;!down strup`fndr 821334;1410055389;asciilifeform;lol 821335;1410055571;asciilifeform;^ anyone who yearns to hear this fellow talk - can turn the required knob. 821336;1410055604;kakobrekla;lol 821337;1410055646;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3350 @ 0.00063186 = 2.1167 BTC [-] 821338;1410055707;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11250 @ 0.00063154 = 7.1048 BTC [-] 821339;1410056195;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5600 @ 0.00063264 = 3.5428 BTC [+] 821340;1410056317;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24000 @ 0.0006309 = 15.1416 BTC [-] {2} 821341;1410056366;asciilifeform;!up strup`fndr 821342;1410058025;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11850 @ 0.00063264 = 7.4968 BTC [+] 821343;1410061044;TheNewDeal;ThickAsThieves any foia response? 821344;1410062112;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10950 @ 0.00062792 = 6.8757 BTC [-] 821345;1410062240;[]bot;Bet placed: 1 BTC for No on "Bitcoin difficulty to fall before November" http://bitbet.us/bet/1040/ Odds: 17(Y):83(N) by coin, 18(Y):82(N) by weight. Total bet: 6.11998 BTC. Current weight: 85,892. 821346;1410062763;asciilifeform;this is just too good. 821347;1410062766;asciilifeform;http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=LQKkpS3b 821348;1410062831;asciilifeform;assuming mr. spam is, in BingoBoingo's words, an 'unsavoury garnish', i'd like to nominate him for red banner of lenin. 821349;1410062848;asciilifeform;(obvious. the man is clearly a mole, and doing a terrific hash of his duties on purpose.) 821350;1410062951;asciilifeform;he can collect his 'order of lenin' right after that chap who burned down a u.s. nuke sub a few years ago. 821351;1410062973;asciilifeform;(who? him: http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/navy-nuclear-submarine-burned-arsonist-scrapped-article-1.1421356) 821352;1410062973;assbot;Page Not Found 821353;1410063088;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6171 @ 0.00062792 = 3.8749 BTC [-] 821354;1410063109;asciilifeform;http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/real-estate-tycoon-larry-glazer-wife-aboard-plane-crashed-jamaica-article-1.1929548 << 'problems' ! 821355;1410063110;assbot;Real estate tycoon Larry Glazer, wife were aboard plane that crashed near Jamaica - NY Daily News 821356;1410063138;kakobrekla;hrm, if he is really a mole he is doing a terribly poor job :( 821357;1410063143;Apocalyptic;"i.e. just turn on either the microphone/speakers or monitor/webcam to read and communicate with the cardano)?" you gotta be kidding me... 821358;1410063144;asciilifeform;kakobrekla: soviet mole. 821359;1410063149;asciilifeform;in usg. 821360;1410063161;asciilifeform;hence the one-star performance. 821361;1410063165;Apocalyptic;who in their right mind would favour such a thing 821362;1410063166;kakobrekla;lol 821363;1410063204;asciilifeform;at this point it seems clear - the man is working hard to make us laugh 821364;1410063212;Apocalyptic;clearly 821365;1410063264;asciilifeform;clearly he deserves - reward for his efforts. 821366;1410063266;asciilifeform;and so, 821367;1410063267;asciilifeform;http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/6/66/Order_of_Lenin_type4.jpg 821368;1410063322;kakobrekla;o a type 4. 821369;1410063576;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3000 @ 0.00062472 = 1.8742 BTC [-] 821370;1410063633;asciilifeform;anyone here not familiar with vonnegut's 'mother night' -or- semyonov's 'seventeen moments of spring' ? book or film, either. 821371;1410063755;asciilifeform;approximately same idea. 821372;1410064308;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22900 @ 0.00062428 = 14.296 BTC [-] 821373;1410064613;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9597 @ 0.00062286 = 5.9776 BTC [-] {2} 821374;1410066959;ThickAsThieves;<+TheNewDeal> ThickAsThieves any foia response? // None reported. 821375;1410066970;TheNewDeal;:( 821376;1410066990;ThickAsThieves;At this point I don't care, as it wouldn't really affect the market price to find out 821377;1410067002;ThickAsThieves;but i do have a bet on it... 821378;1410067005;ThickAsThieves;fukn annoying 821379;1410067163;TheNewDeal;same 821380;1410068639;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12700 @ 0.00062668 = 7.9588 BTC [+] 821381;1410069249;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27700 @ 0.00062512 = 17.3158 BTC [-] 821382;1410069252;mircea_popescu;* asciilifeform has seen this said about more than one obscure natural language, it always seems to be a reflection of the linguist's ineptitude, in practice. << quite. it's not true of inuit languages any more it's true of russian. 821383;1410069272;mircea_popescu;so you have to specify the gender of the teacup in some contexts. does not equate to "speaker can not make ambiguous statements" 821384;1410069292;mircea_popescu;this is not the case in any natural language, poetry exists anywhere. 821385;1410069544;mircea_popescu; http://www.mekanizmalar.com/desmodromics.html << i read desdemona in there for some reason, which reminds me of a story. picture youthful mp at maly, for a staging of othello, in russian. now, bearin in mind that in romanian "zdreanta" means rag or figuratively whore, picture youthful mp hearing a very decided othello burst out "davai zdreanta, desdiemona!!1" and go into incontrollable peels of laughter 821386;1410069545;assbot;Desmodromics Camshaft Mechanism 821387;1410069545;mircea_popescu;mode 821388;1410069559;mircea_popescu;to the degree he had to be escorted out by the ushers 821389;1410070591;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17169 @ 0.00062121 = 10.6656 BTC [-] {2} 821390;1410071018;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19300 @ 0.00062553 = 12.0727 BTC [+] {2} 821391;1410073702;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4831 @ 0.00062099 = 3 BTC [-] 821392;1410074107;[]bot;Bet placed: 3 BTC for No on "Bitcoin over $600 before October" http://bitbet.us/bet/1025/ Odds: 19(Y):81(N) by coin, 33(Y):67(N) by weight. Total bet: 6.55600627 BTC. Current weight: 39,112. 821393;1410077423;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12800 @ 0.0006 = 7.68 BTC [-] 821394;1410078916;punkman;http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2746369/We-ll-guards-Scottish-border-Ed-Miliband-reveals-incendiary-plan-new-poll-reveals-vote-knife-edge.html 821395;1410078916;assbot;We'll put guards on Scottish border: Ed Miliband reveals incendiary plan as Yes camp leads for first time in shock new poll | Mail Online 821396;1410080559;punkman;http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/10/05/nobel-chemistry-idUSL5E7L51U620111005 821397;1410080560;assbot;CORRECTED-UPDATE 3-Ridiculed crystal work wins Nobel for Israeli | Reuters 821398;1410082730;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 52700 @ 0.00060069 = 31.6564 BTC [+] {3} 821399;1410082974;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11975 @ 0.00059784 = 7.1591 BTC [-] {2} 821400;1410084316;RagnarDanneskjol;http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2186186-17-year-old-catches-693-pound-swordfish-off-florida-coast 821401;1410084317;assbot;17-Year-Old Catches 693-Pound Swordfish off Florida Coast | Bleacher Report 821402;1410085954;BingoBoingo;%t 821403;1410085956;atcbot;[X-BT] Bid: 205 Ask: 221 Last Price: 221 24h-Vol: 8k High: 221 Low: 221 VWAP: 221 821404;1410085968;BingoBoingo;%d 821405;1410085971;atcbot;[ATC Diff] Current Diff: 1878190.93 Est. Next Diff: 276487.09 in 1375 blocks (#46368) Est. % Change: -85.28 821406;1410085983;BingoBoingo;%p 821407;1410085987;atcbot;No data returned from CoinMiner.net 821408;1410085987;atcbot;[PityThePool Hashrate]: 702.47 GH/s [iSpace Pool Hashrate]: 0 TH/s 821409;1410085990;BingoBoingo;%ob 821410;1410085991;atcbot;8k@260 2k@245 35k@221 | 12k@205 85k@198 6k@194 821411;1410086097;BingoBoingo;%v 821412;1410086098;atcbot;[X-BT VWAP] Bid: 205 Ask: 221 Last Price: 221 30d-Vol: 1.56M 30d-High: 250 30d-Low: 170 30d-VWAP: 195 821413;1410087366;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8550 @ 0.00059987 = 5.1289 BTC [+] 821414;1410088708;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17350 @ 0.0006015 = 10.436 BTC [+] 821415;1410090416;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 50541 @ 0.0006015 = 30.4004 BTC [+] 821416;1410091026;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8350 @ 0.00060243 = 5.0303 BTC [+] 821417;1410091941;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24850 @ 0.00060269 = 14.9768 BTC [+] {2} 821418;1410092762;BingoBoingo;!mpif 821419;1410092762;assbot;BtcAlpha.com F.MPIF Tracker estimated NAV per share: 0.00021650 B (Total: 473.44 B). Delta: -1.08 B. Last trade for F.MPIF on MPEX was at 0.00022 BTC [+] 821420;1410093588;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3350 @ 0.00060214 = 2.0172 BTC [-] 821421;1410093763;xmj;mm 821422;1410094804;BingoBoingo;;;ticker 821423;1410094806;gribble;Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 481.89, Best ask: 481.94, Bid-ask spread: 0.05000, Last trade: 481.93, 24 hour volume: 2712.17222932, 24 hour low: 478.4, 24 hour high: 485.0, 24 hour vwap: 481.38721431 821424;1410095235;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7546 @ 0.00060208 = 4.5433 BTC [-] {2} 821425;1410096150;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3149 @ 0.00060202 = 1.8958 BTC [-] 821426;1410098285;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13800 @ 0.00060118 = 8.2963 BTC [-] 821427;1410099383;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 422 @ 0.00365223 = 1.5412 BTC [-] 821428;1410101823;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22149 @ 0.00060143 = 13.3211 BTC [+] {2} 821429;1410102616;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12293 @ 0.00060209 = 7.4015 BTC [+] 821430;1410103030;ThickAsThieves;MPOE will be .0005 soon 821431;1410103897;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7901 @ 0.00060198 = 4.7562 BTC [-] 821432;1410104552;mircea_popescu;gooood morning bitcoin ppls! 821433;1410104736;ThickAsThieves;http://www.coindesk.com/peter-thiel-fellowship-ethereum-vitalik-buterin/ 821434;1410104736;assbot;$100k Peter Thiel Fellowship Awarded to Ethereum's Vitalik Buterin 821435;1410104739;ThickAsThieves;:( 821436;1410104763;mircea_popescu;aaaahahahhha 821437;1410104773;ThickAsThieves;good morning mircea 821438;1410104778;ThickAsThieves;sounds like a tv show 821439;1410104788;ThickAsThieves;Mornings with Mircea! 821440;1410104799;mircea_popescu;"Thiel stressed the need for his programme while expressing optimism about what this year’s class could achieve" 821441;1410104802;mircea_popescu;derp. 821442;1410104811;mircea_popescu;ThickAsThieves i nearly had my radio show in romanian a few years ago. 821443;1410104844;ThickAsThieves;well considering your Howard Stern similarities, it's a shame it didnt happen 821444;1410104864;mircea_popescu;in very winchell fashion i insisted the contract include an indemnity clause tho, and well... fell through. 821445;1410104907;mircea_popescu;romanians are neither very litigious nor is the local fcc very tough, but to make up for it ro publishers are very very poor. 821446;1410104943;mircea_popescu;but yeah, i'd have listened to it. the shit we talk about with the slavegirls alone would make an hour of excellent show pretty much daily. 821447;1410104947;ThickAsThieves;how are you liking argentina, in contrast? 821448;1410104966;mircea_popescu;o, i love argentina. 821449;1410104972;mircea_popescu;not that they're not poor or anything. 821450;1410105009;ThickAsThieves;seattle and potland were nice, seattle seems to be very healthy 821451;1410105042;mircea_popescu;anyway, once ethereum cracks open thiel being interviewed for his complicity in propping the scam will become a prerequsite for any further discussions re collaboration of bitcoin authorities with us authorities. 821452;1410105045;mircea_popescu;just so we know in advance. 821453;1410105072;ThickAsThieves;i heard rumors thiel sent a rep to scout Neo, i guess he dodged that one 821454;1410105104;BingoBoingo;!up Aquent 821455;1410105109;mircea_popescu;myeah. 821456;1410105123;BingoBoingo;Aquent: You wouldn't happen to be Thiel by any chance? 821457;1410105139;Aquent;no lol 821458;1410105148;BingoBoingo;!down Aquent 821459;1410105157;ThickAsThieves;heh 821460;1410105181;mircea_popescu;lmao 821461;1410105204;ThickAsThieves;"Whenever I see that Thiel is giving away money, I get the goosebumps. How comes that he is always mentioned in connection with PayPal, but almost never in connection with Palantir, Prism, NSA and CIA?" 821462;1410105237;assbot;Last 9 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/3T4KFH5.txt ) 821463;1410105237;BingoBoingo;!b 9 821464;1410105260;mircea_popescu;ThickAsThieves "because guess". 821465;1410105291;mircea_popescu;fucking us oligarchs will end up with bitcoin community interdictions at this rate 821466;1410105298;mircea_popescu;until their regime starts fucking conforming to international law. 821467;1410105303;ThickAsThieves;http://blogs.wsj.com/moneybeat/2014/09/05/alibaba-biggest-ipo-by-market-value-of-all-time/ 821468;1410105303;assbot;Alibaba: Biggest IPO By Market Value of All Time - MoneyBeat - WSJ 821469;1410105313;mircea_popescu;o hey, i think i had some bets on that 821470;1410105319;ThickAsThieves;thatll be fun, my guess is all the other tech stocks will suffer 821471;1410105344;ThickAsThieves;this TSLA is so boring, time for Alibaba! 821472;1410105344;mircea_popescu;http://bitbet.us/bet/1019/alibaba-ipo-mkt-cap-over-150b-end-of/ 821473;1410105344;assbot;BitBet - Alibaba IPO mkt cap over $150B end of opening day :: 1.63 B (64%) on Yes, 0.92 B (36%) on No | closing in 2 weeks 6 days | weight: 42`661 (100`000 to 1) 821474;1410105351;mircea_popescu;check out the preciseness of bitbet. 150bn ? 821475;1410105378;ThickAsThieves;bb has a way 821476;1410105422;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35850 @ 0.00060288 = 21.6132 BTC [+] {4} 821477;1410105605;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] [PAID] 1.40915124 BTC to 15`372 shares, 9167 satoshi per share 821478;1410105667;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] [PAID] 4.69195104 BTC to 1`149`988 shares, 408 satoshi per share 821479;1410105857;mircea_popescu;punkman: http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/10/05/nobel-chemistry-idUSL5E7L51U620111005 <<< i don't think useful original work has EVER not been ridiculed. 821480;1410105858;assbot;CORRECTED-UPDATE 3-Ridiculed crystal work wins Nobel for Israeli | Reuters 821481;1410105899;mircea_popescu;ThickAsThieves 5 before back to 8 or w/e it does ? 821482;1410105909;BingoBoingo;Moar NBA drama http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/11481937/atlanta-hawks-owner-bruce-levenson-selling-team 821483;1410105910;assbot;Atlanta Hawks owner Bruce Levenson selling team - ESPN 821484;1410105930;ThickAsThieves;<+mircea_popescu> ThickAsThieves 5 before back to 8 or w/e it does ? /// i think i figured out exactly what it does actually 821485;1410105937;mircea_popescu;whassat ? 821486;1410105939;mircea_popescu;or secret. 821487;1410105954;ThickAsThieves;not secret, mike_c is gonna check i think 821488;1410105976;ThickAsThieves;basically the bot is pegged to a certain conversion value for a specific amount of btc 821489;1410106008;mircea_popescu;like in reverse ? 821490;1410106008;ThickAsThieves;the idea being the bot assumes MPOE is worth 80,000btc 821491;1410106010;ThickAsThieves;and that is some dollar value 821492;1410106013;ThickAsThieves;they are pegging 821493;1410106030;mircea_popescu;so it asumes it is worth X dollars practically ? 821494;1410106034;ThickAsThieves;right 821495;1410106039;mircea_popescu;so why isn't it going up. 821496;1410106050;ThickAsThieves;sry 821497;1410106055;asciilifeform;thiel is also a sponsor of 'urbit'. 821498;1410106058;ThickAsThieves;it assumes the btc worth 821499;1410106060;ThickAsThieves;converted 821500;1410106069;ThickAsThieves;so if btcusd goes down 821501;1410106073;ThickAsThieves;so does mpoe 821502;1410106076;asciilifeform;or, more precisely, of mr. yarvin's first full-time toady 821503;1410106077;mircea_popescu;but if it assumes x btc worth and shares trade in btc it should be stuck at 8 821504;1410106081;ThickAsThieves;cuz its assets are the btc 821505;1410106104;*;asciilifeform surprised that no one remembered this 821506;1410106114;ThickAsThieves;now i'm confusing myself 821507;1410106119;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform no one said != no one remembered. ppls remember :) 821508;1410106123;asciilifeform;ahaha 821509;1410106137;asciilifeform;anyone find it peculiar how small is thiel's prize ? 821510;1410106142;mircea_popescu;nope. 821511;1410106156;ThickAsThieves;well he leaks money all over the place 821512;1410106159;mircea_popescu;cheap whores aren't given expensive prizes for a very good reason 821513;1410106162;asciilifeform;100k buys what - a year or two of food and roof in usa somewhere on the cheaper side. 821514;1410106166;mircea_popescu;that is, if you give them too much money it makes them stupid. 821515;1410106192;mircea_popescu;give them a little now and a little later they'll be sucking the c0k and doing a good job of it for years. 821516;1410106202;asciilifeform;or one new electron microscope (and get your food somewhere else) 821517;1410106241;mircea_popescu;incidentally, it is shocking, outrageous but also very amusing to see just how copy-pasted the final days us is from the peak of romania. it's almost as if instead of the romanian idiots copying teh superior us businessmen, the reverse happened. 821518;1410106286;asciilifeform;smells more like ussr circa 1988 or so, imho 821519;1410106290;mircea_popescu;i could prolly write a book of psychoantropology on the topic, but sadly it'd be rather incomprehensible in english without a ton of notes which kinda ruin the whole thing, and for 5 romanians able to read and write it's scarcely worth the year o' work. 821520;1410106302;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform well obv. they'd be the same thing. 821521;1410106338;thestringpuller;you know how I know you're not american mircea_popescu : you hate cars 821522;1410106339;mircea_popescu;actually maybe you should write the book, except in russian. larger market. 821523;1410106355;mircea_popescu;good thing to do in prison, you know ? as it's requiring memory-only, no tools. 821524;1410106371;mircea_popescu;thestringpuller i dun hate cars ? 821525;1410106393;mircea_popescu;i dun think much of the concept of everyone being able to have their "own" car 821526;1410106399;mircea_popescu;but i guess that's what you actually meant. 821527;1410106495;mircea_popescu;anyway, re the original copy-paste point : i feel like i could practically translate my romanian articles mocking the romanian "press" and its associated "blogosphere" word for word, just substitute names. 821528;1410106499;mircea_popescu;ridoinculous. 821529;1410106610;mircea_popescu;http://www.gutenberg.org/files/24553/24553-h/24553-h.htm just for teh hell of it. 821530;1410106610;assbot;Error 403 821531;1410106741;mircea_popescu;you think i write complicatedly, try morley for a spin 821532;1410106890;ThickAsThieves;<+thestringpuller> you know how I know you're not american mircea_popescu : you hate cars /// i cant stand driving and all the stuff about cars other than that they get me places 821533;1410106927;mircea_popescu;i can't stand sucking cock either doesn't mean i hate blowjobs. what's driving to do with it. 821534;1410107042;ThickAsThieves;my wife is the one that gets new cars, i get the hand-me-downs. yesterday i was positing that i should just sell mine and take cabs or uber or whatever everywhere 821535;1410107119;mircea_popescu;it works splendidly here. i guess depends on the cab quality 821536;1410107122;ThickAsThieves;when vacationing driving is also a major drag 821537;1410107151;mircea_popescu;well, get a girl for that. 821538;1410107259;ThickAsThieves;so why would S.MPOE go down when BTCUSD goes down? 821539;1410107300;mircea_popescu;i thought you had a theory 821540;1410107394;ThickAsThieves;i thought i did too, seems to merely be an observation for now 821541;1410107603;thestringpuller;http://thefreethoughtproject.com/10-year-old-boy-autism-treated-police-state/ 821542;1410107603;assbot;This is How a 10-Year-Old Boy With Autism is Treated in a Police State | The Free Thought Project 821543;1410107640;mircea_popescu;"Currently the leadership of the House of Savoy is contested by two cousins: Vittorio Emanuele, Prince of Naples, who used to claim the title of King of Italy, and Prince Amedeo, Duke of Aosta, who still claims the title of the Duke of Savoy. Their rivalry has not always been peaceful — on May 21, 2004, following a dinner held by King Juan Carlos I of Spain on the eve of the wedding of his son Felipe, Prince of Astur 821544;1410107640;mircea_popescu;ias, Vittorio Emanuele punched Amedeo twice in the face." 821545;1410107664;thestringpuller;This problem has to do with society.s dependence upon state sanctioned force to solve problems. 821546;1410107760;mircea_popescu;i don't see much in that. so some asshole kid thinks himself special, got roughed up in the slightest. 821547;1410107765;mircea_popescu;how is this supposed to be a problem again ? 821548;1410107888;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: cars << another thing in usa. more or less everybody is condemned to be his own cabbie, and to some extent, mechanic 821549;1410107903;mircea_popescu;that works great for 16yo boys. 821550;1410107933;asciilifeform;which is why we're more or less doomed to drive cabs (the lucky ones, that is) around the world, far more certainly than soviet emigres were 821551;1410107974;mircea_popescu;it's not such a bad fate. 821552;1410107984;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15000 @ 0.00059994 = 8.9991 BTC [-] {2} 821553;1410107997;mircea_popescu;o wow that's a first innit 821554;1410108003;mircea_popescu;well done tat for callin' it. 821555;1410108016;asciilifeform;then again i'm not certain any country will recognize american driver's licenses when the hour comes. 821556;1410108035;asciilifeform;for entirely practical reasons. 821557;1410108062;mircea_popescu;they're not neatly that bad drivers. 821558;1410108066;mircea_popescu;i've seen much worse. 821559;1410108098;thestringpuller;asciilifeform: why you hatin' on fixin' cars 821560;1410108102;thestringpuller;dis is murica 821561;1410108130;thestringpuller;i just saw an turbo charged e30 that puts ~450hp to the wheels 821562;1410108162;asciilifeform;thestringpuller: 'tis one thing if you like oil, dirt, metal (matter of fact - i do) but another if you're stuck with them whether or not you do 821563;1410108210;thestringpuller;ah. the dilemma of "We're murica, you must own car" 821564;1410108216;thestringpuller;even if you don't want to 821565;1410108235;mircea_popescu;you know i lived there just fine w/o driving or owning a car. 821566;1410108235;thestringpuller;not so much in the big cities tho (NYC, Boston, etc.) 821567;1410108261;thestringpuller;public transit doesn't reach where I live 821568;1410108267;asciilifeform;not impossible - but difficult if work for a living 821569;1410108273;thestringpuller;I have to bike 7 miles to the nearest bus stop 821570;1410108283;thestringpuller;which isn't effective for commuting... 821571;1410108303;mircea_popescu;i never biked. 821572;1410108313;mircea_popescu;but they had a towncar service that would basically go anywhere. 821573;1410108377;thestringpuller;i guess this is why Uber is becoming so overvalued... 821574;1410108389;thestringpuller;because of suburbia with poor rapid transit 821575;1410108497;asciilifeform;'Recently I heard a story on NPR about a poor family that went around looking for discounted food items at various groceries and stopping at the food pantry—in their own private minivan! And so here is a poor family that owns what in many parts of the world would amount to a bus company!' (orlov) 821576;1410108512;asciilifeform;(npr is an american government-funded radio station) 821577;1410108519;mircea_popescu;well not that many. maybe guatemala and assimilated shitholes. 821578;1410108587;asciilifeform;fact is - much of the cost of owning vehicle in usa - is a fixed cost, whether or not it moves 821579;1410108607;mircea_popescu;it's really not THAT expensive. 821580;1410108610;asciilifeform;and so, everybody owns - a taxi. and some, even a bus or garbage truck. 821581;1410108625;asciilifeform;but for some odd reason aren't cabbies, bus drivers, or garbagemen 821582;1410108650;asciilifeform;$posint is expensive to the man who is flat broke 821583;1410108670;thestringpuller;asciilifeform: is a fixed cost, whether or not it moves << this isn't true 821584;1410108694;thestringpuller;the cost is always depreciating especially if it doesn't move 821585;1410108697;thestringpuller;slowly to 0 821586;1410108712;thestringpuller;unless you own like a cold war volvo 821587;1410108720;asciilifeform;thestringpuller: it's approximately true - most folks pay insurance (mandatory) and usually bought the machine on credit (so, they pay and pay) 821588;1410108741;asciilifeform;neither is strongly connected to how often it moves. 821589;1410108749;artifexd;If anybody is curious, I know why MPOE is falling. 821590;1410108757;mircea_popescu;shoot ? 821591;1410108761;artifexd;The reason is simple: I bought some. 821592;1410108765;mircea_popescu;haha 821593;1410108777;mircea_popescu;well don't buy anymore then lol 821594;1410108786;thestringpuller;asciilifeform: oh yes in that sense! i was thinking of how there is an increasing cost to keep the car moving 821595;1410108787;artifexd;I need to DCA 821596;1410108798;jurov;oh there's mandatory car insurance in the us, too? so sooooocialist! 821597;1410108802;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform the credit part is stupid. 821598;1410108815;mircea_popescu;jurov look, if you let poor people drive, there's no way to not have mandatory insurance. 821599;1410108821;mircea_popescu;otherwise they are incentivised to drive poorly. 821600;1410108882;thestringpuller;rich people buy vehicles on credit too 821601;1410108883;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: which part is stupid? most of these people couldn't hope to buy so much as a plastic&cardboard 'trabant' without massive credit 821602;1410108905;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform so then let them walk. 821603;1410108935;thestringpuller;in a land without infrastructure? 821604;1410108946;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: as discussed in the past - the various u.s. castes have, for reasons of their own (ask them!) decided never to live in walking distance of one another, if it can be helped 821605;1410108946;thestringpuller;better off to tell them to just die 821606;1410108960;mircea_popescu;ok, so let them just die. 821607;1410108977;mircea_popescu;just because it's practically inconvenient doesn't make it less the correct solution. 821608;1410108984;asciilifeform;death is free, at least, for king and slave alike. 821609;1410108992;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform this convention, like all things man made, is attendant on it being possible. 821610;1410109031;mircea_popescu;if they can't have had so agreed, they in fact didn't so agree. 821611;1410109124;asciilifeform;at the risk of sounding like orlov - modern 'machine civilization' tends to create wildly thermodynamically-unfavourable situations like this one. 821612;1410109146;asciilifeform;what usa does with transport is not unlike housing, e.g., penguins in sahara 821613;1410109153;mircea_popescu;it creates the POSSIBILITY of it asciilifeform. not the actuiality and not really the obligaiton. 821614;1410109159;asciilifeform;goes on for so long as you have infinite joules to throw at the problem. 821615;1410109174;mircea_popescu;much like cellars create the possibility of very uncomfortable sleep in the dank darkness. 821616;1410109174;mircea_popescu;nobody forces you to sleep in the fucking basement 821617;1410109174;mircea_popescu;or to rent basements to live in 821618;1410109178;asciilifeform;more like the olympic drugs. 821619;1410109182;asciilifeform;can -> must 821620;1410109195;mircea_popescu;you can always die. 821621;1410109199;mircea_popescu;this is so easily discarded. 821622;1410109229;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform you ever captured a mouse ? 821623;1410109232;asciilifeform;sure! 821624;1410109245;mircea_popescu;want me to tell you the story of my recent adventure with a cute little fuzzball ? 821625;1410109258;*;asciilifeform killed the last two in old flat with own hands 821626;1410109280;*;asciilifeform lacked cat 821627;1410109285;asciilifeform;yes - story 821628;1410109315;mircea_popescu;so last autumn i was living in a recently developped residential area - i guess what would be a gated community in the us, except romanians don't gate. 821629;1410109329;mircea_popescu;for centuries prior, that land had been - how do you call fields cultrivated with hay ? 821630;1410109338;asciilifeform;pasture ? 821631;1410109357;mircea_popescu;something like that. so one night while in here, i see movement in the corner of my eye 821632;1410109404;mircea_popescu;so i know it's a mouse, right ? and so i get a large bowl, and tape some floss to a pack of ciggs. put some cheese under the propper bowl and get back to chatting. 821633;1410109433;mircea_popescu;a little later, the guy is caught, of course. so i put him in a large glass jar with a metal lid, after punching some holes with a screwdriverr in that lid. 821634;1410109480;mircea_popescu;and i get a good look at the guy, you know ? after all, this had been his land for a long long time, generations of his forefathers had hunted for hayseeds and whatnot on complicated , traditional walk patters all over the field of my garden 821635;1410109502;mircea_popescu;what did he do ? he kept jumping. trying to push the lid off with his tiny nose. ding-ding-ding-ding 821636;1410109513;asciilifeform;lemme guess, little bugger died of exhaustion 821637;1410109548;mircea_popescu;notwithstanding that the lid was you know, on a thread for crying out loud. and since i punched the holes from outside, notwithstanding that there were jagged shards of metal pointing his way, which he could i guess sorta- avoid. tho he mostly looked to be jumping blindly. 821638;1410109579;mircea_popescu;eventually i was oh enough of this shit, and so put the vessel on its side. 821639;1410109579;mircea_popescu;so it stopped jumping. 821640;1410109580;mircea_popescu;instead, it kept trying to chew sheet metal with it's truely tiny, half mm in width teeth. 821641;1410109587;mircea_popescu;and it never stopped. 821642;1410109608;mircea_popescu;the animal's desire of freedom properly surpassed any consideration of self preservation. 821643;1410109625;mircea_popescu;which is why i eventually stood up from my fucking work, took it to a vacant field further down and let it be. 821644;1410109657;mircea_popescu;now - the point here being that a correct set of priorities will in fact move mountains, and my work at my computer as compared in any perspective to a mouse's activities is mountaineous. 821645;1410109671;mircea_popescu;so : let them fucking die trying. you can't live where you are ? walk to where you can live. 821646;1410109676;mircea_popescu;die on the road, it's a noble death. 821647;1410109739;asciilifeform;u.s. motto could be: st augustine's prayer, 'god grant me chastity - but not yet' 821648;1410109746;mircea_popescu;it's also why i tend to be suspicious of people that despise animals. generally it's the sign they're not as intellectually respectable as the average field mouse. 821649;1410109784;mircea_popescu;when they start with the "we're not animals" bits, i tend to glaze over and think "no, you're not, are you". 821650;1410109787;asciilifeform;most people, esp. in infested dwellings, are quite particular about which animals they like 821651;1410109815;mircea_popescu;well sure, but this was as to the general 821652;1410109938;asciilifeform;i actually 'liked' the rats in that flat quite a bit more than the mice. the latter - shat every quarter metre they walked, or so it seemed. the rats - more disciplined, organized, had battalions, detachments - respectable. 821653;1410109946;mircea_popescu;lol 821654;1410109968;mircea_popescu;mebbe your rats were overfed 821655;1410109974;mircea_popescu;mice i mean. 821656;1410110021;asciilifeform;possible. 821657;1410110051;asciilifeform;rats, it is said, even have penal battalions, used as scouts. 821658;1410110072;asciilifeform;after finally killed one in an electrical trap, the entire force retreated to a neighbour's. 821659;1410110105;BingoBoingo;Maybe asciilifeform has the actual NIMH rats 821660;1410110109;mircea_popescu;i thought it's just the young/shitty ones 821661;1410110126;mircea_popescu;lol this here is the premise of a decent speculative spy fiction story 821662;1410110126;*;asciilifeform does not know precisely how rats assign rank 821663;1410110140;mircea_popescu;usg makes mechanical spy rat, person catches it because well, it doesn't properly batallion 821664;1410110156;asciilifeform;this almost happened: 821665;1410110204;asciilifeform;usg caught an alley cat, tamed, and implanted a listening device, then released (in moscow, i think) 821666;1410110214;asciilifeform;the poor beast promptly got run over by a bus. 821667;1410110233;mircea_popescu;"problems" ? 821668;1410110248;asciilifeform;or just not quite right. 821669;1410110252;mircea_popescu;lol 821670;1410110315;asciilifeform;as for mice, if they have organizational abilities, this was not apparent in my kitchen. 821671;1410110422;mircea_popescu;you know, this was the first mice i've seen in a decade. 821672;1410110428;asciilifeform;and yes, animals will fight to the death, to exhaustion - what else might one expect them to do? negotiate a conditional surrender with the mousetrap? a ceasefire with the glass jar ? 821673;1410110430;mircea_popescu;the last set being in egypt for crying out loud. 821674;1410110450;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform you will notice that he could have just resisted the glass jar through culture. 821675;1410110457;mircea_popescu;;;google "rezistenta prin cultura" 821676;1410110457;gribble;RezistenÅ£a prin cultură - TVR+: ; Andrei Plesu despre rezistenta prin cultura - YouTube: ; RezistenÅ£a prin cultură - Alice Voinescu - YouTube: 821677;1410110482;mircea_popescu;and of course, the definitive words on that topic, http://trilema.com/2010/vina-batranilor/ 821678;1410110485;assbot;Vina batranilor pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. 821679;1410110544;asciilifeform;mice have not yet invented smoking dope, and so do not know how to 'resist through culture' 821680;1410110573;mircea_popescu;except the romanian "intellectuals" and for that matter the zeks got no dope. 821681;1410110693;asciilifeform;i suppose a handful of natural schizoids, and slavish imitation thereof, can substitute for dope. 821682;1410110709;mircea_popescu;no, dope doesn't enter into it. all that's required is the proposition that surviving today is more important than living well. 821683;1410110721;mircea_popescu;something of which mice are malignantly made the figurehead of. they are not. 821684;1410110913;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12000 @ 0.00059946 = 7.1935 BTC [-] {2} 821685;1410111129;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: sex anal cu tractoare, motocositoare si combine agricole >>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0mVOd8zY3D8 << 'in Flyshitte, in the Red Corpse Kolhoz... there lived Tractoresse!' 821686;1410111130;assbot;. [HD] - YouTube 821687;1410111143;asciilifeform;^ song about the harm of studying mathematics. 821688;1410111179;mircea_popescu;lol 821689;1410111203;oglafbot;http://oglaf.com/pretaliation/ 821690;1410111203;assbot;pretaliation 821691;1410111231;asciilifeform;'she plowed all the fields... for wheat, but not also for scalars, vectors, and even galois fields...' 821692;1410111235;asciilifeform;*now also 821693;1410111311;mircea_popescu;tractoritza lol. that's exactly how you'd say it in romanian. 821694;1410111329;mircea_popescu;how diminutives work. victoria - victorица 821695;1410111421;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: slightly different in ru. e.g., минетчица ~= 'blowjobesse', тракторица ~= 'tracroresse' - in same sense as Fr. 'comedienne.' 821696;1410111464;mircea_popescu;in romanian comedienne is formed as the diminutive. comediette. 821697;1410111473;cazalla;nothing like someone using a chainsaw at 3am to wake you up 821698;1410111474;asciilifeform;aha. 821699;1410111481;mircea_popescu;cazalla good mornin'. 821700;1410111486;asciilifeform;cazalla: 'find some meat!' 821701;1410111511;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform thus doctor - doctorita. literally, little-she doctor. 821702;1410111604;asciilifeform;МухоÑранÑк ~= 'flyshit', analogous to american 'bumfuck, illinois.' proverbial agropesthole. 821703;1410111721;cazalla;asciilifeform, would be nice but they're cutting down trees 821704;1410111757;cazalla;chainsaw wakes me but baby never does, just the wife, she is still sleeping, didn't hear chainsaw 821705;1410111780;mircea_popescu;clearly you're tuned for machinery and she's tuned to babies. 821706;1410111838;cazalla;i've read that before, i assume because the fathers need sleep to hunt the next day 821707;1410111843;jurov;http://www.daemonology.net/blog/2014-09-06-zeroing-buffers-is-insufficient.html 821708;1410111844;assbot;Zeroing buffers is insufficient 821709;1410111918;asciilifeform;jurov: as usual, author stops half-way. 821710;1410111929;mircea_popescu;i came back to say "wait, that's only part of the story" 821711;1410111932;mircea_popescu;i don't read fast enough. 821712;1410111984;jurov;i got an idea about virtualization - i foubt any hypervisor erases SSE registers betweeen guests 821713;1410111988;jurov;*doubt 821714;1410111998;jurov;(not mentioned in tfa at all, fo course) 821715;1410112128;asciilifeform;let's suppose that you cannot escape the sin of running crypto on a multiuser os with von neumann cpu (for sake of argument.) let's also suppose that you are stuck with a traditional 'C' compiler, and your work must remain portable (no inline asm) 821716;1410112144;mircea_popescu;"decided to sanitize his stack by zeroing until he triggered a page fault" this in particular does nothing. 821717;1410112146;asciilifeform;even then - can simply declare 'volatile' 821718;1410112160;asciilifeform;if your compiler does not respect 'volatile' - throw it out 821719;1410112170;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform the os may not respect volatile. 821720;1410112217;asciilifeform;a sufficiently dumb os won't provide a way of allocating non-paged heap, yes. 821721;1410112233;mircea_popescu;the problem is unresolvable : without cryptographically verified multi-user ability, there is no way to run crypto on shared system. 821722;1410112238;jurov;he's writing about registers, not memory.. but then, on one side they get wiped on context switch 821723;1410112249;mircea_popescu;how to make an os that behaves "provalby fair", for that matter, ios still very much an open question 821724;1410112249;jurov;on other side, they get saved into..memory 821725;1410112260;asciilifeform;'provably fair' ? 821726;1410112262;asciilifeform;in what sense 821727;1410112282;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform yes. ie, that you can cryptographically verify that no other user can read your space, ever, at all. 821728;1410112296;mircea_popescu;this includes any and all superusrs. 821729;1410112315;asciilifeform;superusers << 'god creates stone, so heavy, he can't lift' 821730;1410112322;asciilifeform;what even means 'superuser' in such a machine 821731;1410112323;asciilifeform;? 821732;1410112332;mircea_popescu;one that can start/stop it. 821733;1410112340;mircea_popescu;as an obvious definition. 821734;1410112360;asciilifeform;starts, stops - but can't saw it open ? 821735;1410112367;mircea_popescu;even should he saw it open. 821736;1410112379;mircea_popescu;it's an unresolved problem for good reason eh. 821737;1410112380;jurov;you are prolly talking about cpu that guarantees no unencrypoted data leaves its internal cache? 821738;1410112408;mircea_popescu;in principle you should be able to define an object whose malleability allows enough functions to work so as to be turing-complete. 821739;1410112427;mircea_popescu;jurov no. i am talking about an os that only processes encrypted data. 821740;1410112438;mircea_popescu;the no-raw-machine/ 821741;1410112453;asciilifeform;!s paillier 821742;1410112454;assbot;7 results for 'paillier' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=paillier 821743;1410112463;asciilifeform;solvable for particular meanings of 'process' 821744;1410112465;mircea_popescu;yeah, that may be a good starting point 821745;1410112470;mircea_popescu;bjt kd 821746;1410112486;mircea_popescu;but ideally - while i can live without running a webserver off this - i still want to have bash 821747;1410112498;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27706 @ 0.00060102 = 16.6519 BTC [+] 821748;1410112556;mircea_popescu;Consider the "XMM" registers on the x86 architecture: They will only be used by the SSE family of instructions, which is not widely used in most applications — so once a value is stored in one of those registers, it may remain there for a long time. One of the rare instances those registers are used by cryptographic code, however, is for AES computations, using the "AESNI" instruction set. 821749;1410112563;mircea_popescu;one of the best reasons to not use aes seriously. 821750;1410112568;mircea_popescu;i wasn't aware this is public knowledge. 821751;1410112597;asciilifeform;you're just as fucked if you use another cipher via, e.g, microshit's vendor lib 821752;1410112614;mircea_popescu;but this is universal, nothing to do with ms. 821753;1410112617;jurov;mircea you know of any crypto that doesn't need registers? 821754;1410112626;asciilifeform;no one forces you to use intel's aes instructions! 821755;1410112651;mircea_popescu;jurov im pretty sure it all does, but they don';t all have to be xmm via aesni 821756;1410112667;asciilifeform;next year, suppose, they include a gigantic multiplier and special instructions for rsa. want to use these ? 821757;1410112671;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform "no one" ? yes, one. the machine may force you to whether you want to or not. 821758;1410112674;mircea_popescu;you don;'t know what it does. 821759;1410112702;jurov;xmm registers aren't anything exceptional. os saves them into memory on context switch like everything else 821760;1410112712;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: fundamental misunderstanding. machine does not know (unless it is fiendishly complicated, and elaborately trapped, perhaps) that you are doing, e.g., rsa. 821761;1410112718;mircea_popescu;jurov the discussion was as to how often they get overwritten 821762;1410112743;asciilifeform;but the cpu manual offers compiler writers the option of using 'our new exciting accelerator for 4096-bit chinese remainder theorem' 821763;1410112755;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform i think you're thinking of the case where you compile your thing and install it as bytecode. i was thinking of the case where you compile locally. 821764;1410112770;mircea_popescu;more properly, "was at some ptoint compiled locally" 821765;1410112797;asciilifeform;compiler can use 'fancy' instruction that does various things 'in one shot' - or can use ordinary i386-style fixint multiply, etc. 821766;1410112839;mircea_popescu;It gets worse. Nearly every AES implementation using AESNI will leave two values in registers: The final block of output, and the final round key. The final block of output isn't a problem for encryption operations — it is ciphertext, which we can assume has leaked anyway — but for encryption an AES-128 key can be computed from the final round key, and for decryption the final round key is the AES-128 key. (For AES 821767;1410112839;mircea_popescu;-192 and AES-256 revealing the final round key provides 128 bits of key entropy.) 821768;1410112841;mircea_popescu;good article. 821769;1410112852;asciilifeform;likewise compiler has the option of pissing out 'xor reg, reg' etc - clean up after yourself 821770;1410112863;mircea_popescu;i guess the author doesn't realise it or something, but this lays bare a much used, fundamental, very valuable exploit of aes. 821771;1410112927;asciilifeform;to see this as issue with aes in particular is a grave mistake. it's an issue with using a 'food chain' that you aren't intimately aware of to the bottom. 821772;1410112963;mircea_popescu;in practice it's used as an aes hole. but yes. 821773;1410112968;asciilifeform;consider the problems dr. evil faces when he designs a diddled cpu. 821774;1410112992;asciilifeform;he wants to know when you - victim - will be deciphering/signing battle plan. 821775;1410113018;asciilifeform;chip will transmit plan to waiting gasenwagen with antennae, over power line hiss. 821776;1410113031;asciilifeform;but first it needs to know when to begin and end transmission 821777;1410113059;asciilifeform;because it would not do to transmit constantly (might interfere with neighbour's teledildotron and she'll tip you off) 821778;1410113128;asciilifeform;it is, in principle, possible for dr. evil's cpu to recognize when, e.g, given version of gpg is in the process of taking the modular exponentiation. 821779;1410113145;asciilifeform;but this would take up a good deal of real estate on the chip die, and someone might notice. 821780;1410113167;mircea_popescu;that's nonsense. here's a simpler approach : every time a new value is loaded into sse register append it to a special buffer. buffer gets dumped in return for any packet headed so sent to port so. 821781;1410113173;asciilifeform;instead - why not fool you - victim - to let the cpu know precisely when it is handling private key. 821782;1410113177;asciilifeform;so it can begin sending. 821783;1410113182;mircea_popescu;it's "for debugging purspoes" 821784;1410113228;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: baked. http://www.loper-os.org/?p=1441 821785;1410113229;assbot;Loper OS » Mechanics of FLUXBABBITT. 821786;1410113234;mircea_popescu;exactly. 821787;1410113277;asciilifeform;but have some sympathy for poor dr. evil. he only has, what, half a dozen vans in a city. doesn't care to sift through every idiot playing 'quake' pissing in his sse regs. 821788;1410113289;asciilifeform;only want to hear rsa key. (or aes, whatever.) 821789;1410113310;mircea_popescu;orly ? 821790;1410113321;mircea_popescu;afaik that's exactly what he wants : to inflate the categories. 821791;1410113330;asciilifeform;so he begins with cheapest variant - politely asks microshit to include convenient crypto routines in os. 821792;1410113334;mircea_popescu;if he can get paid to listen to rsa keys buyt then for "technical reasons" can make that baloon 10x, 821793;1410113334;mircea_popescu;he' 821794;1410113337;mircea_popescu;s thrilled to do it. 821795;1410113338;asciilifeform;which conveniently record key and mail it off. 821796;1410113339;mircea_popescu;more money. 821797;1410113355;asciilifeform;then somebody finds it. or miscreants start using illegal111 os without said feature. 821798;1410113368;asciilifeform;so now dr. evil needs to sell nice, convenient cpu with baked in crypto 821799;1410113383;asciilifeform;amazing aes! fast. 821800;1410113383;assbot;AMAZING COMPANY! 821801;1410113413;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34100 @ 0.0005989 = 20.4225 BTC [-] {3} 821802;1410113466;asciilifeform;notice when diddled cpus are commonly thought to have appeared. not only when vlsi went far enough to create a comfortable padded hiding place, but when spread of linux, etc. exposed the limits of the diddled-os approach. 821803;1410113808;mircea_popescu;heh. 821804;1410113848;mircea_popescu;im sure thiel will give 100k prizes to whoever came up with the brilliant idea of a wait, no. they don't need it. 821805;1410114061;asciilifeform;lol 821806;1410114294;bitstein;More usability nonsense. Trusted servers are soooo much better than PGP, right? http://www.wired.com/2014/09/oxguard/ 821807;1410114295;assbot;The Open Source Tool That Lets You Send Encrypted Emails to Anyone | Enterprise | WIRED 821808;1410114319;mircea_popescu;"encrypt" your emails to everyone. it's good for the emails and ok for you! 821809;1410114395;bitstein;Loved your post on usability, btw. 821810;1410114542;*;mircea_popescu waves 821811;1410114737;thestringpuller;asciilifeform: how difficult does this procedure look: http://motherboard.vice.com/blog/pictures-how-to-replace-an-snes-cartridge-save-game-battery 821812;1410114826;asciilifeform;thestringpuller: soldering lithium 'clock' batteries will dramatically shorten their life - and possibly explode 821813;1410114832;asciilifeform;unless done with a spot welder or laser 821814;1410114867;thestringpuller;damn so this guy is an idiot? 821815;1410114874;thestringpuller;:( I guess I'm not saving games anytime soon 821816;1410114875;asciilifeform;not idiot - merely poor 821817;1410114890;thestringpuller;how much do you charge for electronic surgery? 821818;1410114995;asciilifeform;i regret to say that i do not run a repair shop. 821819;1410115043;asciilifeform;i recommend attaching a replacement battery using conductive epoxy. 821820;1410115048;asciilifeform;this is less than ideal, but will work. 821821;1410115351;mircea_popescu;thestringpuller heating them is no good for them 821822;1410115671;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [ALC] 4 @ 0.12773454 = 0.5109 BTC [+] {3} 821823;1410115843;asciilifeform;thestringpuller: alternatively, solder in a battery holder of appropriate shape, and insert battery after it cools. 821824;1410115869;asciilifeform;(soldered-in batteries are a classic 'forced obsolescence' scam.) 821825;1410115977;asciilifeform;it doesn't have to be a coin cell, either. can attach one of, say, these - http://www.ictradenet.com/models_pic/BH2AA-W.jpg - to outside of cartridge. drill a hole, attach terminals to correct spots. won't win any beauty contests, but will work. 821826;1410116001;asciilifeform;use lithium 'aa' cells rather than alkalines, or you won't have >3v when cells are not quite new any more. 821827;1410116613;kakobrekla;http://marshallbrain.com/manna1.htm 821828;1410116614;assbot;Manna, Chapter 1, by Marshall Brain 821829;1410116817;mircea_popescu;kakobrekla is this "fast food employee tries to parlay his work experience into a novel, because write what you know" ? 821830;1410116843;kakobrekla;dunno, just another end game. 821831;1410116855;asciilifeform;kakobrekla: lol!!! i read that years ago 821832;1410116877;asciilifeform;kakobrekla: lost the link also long ago. thank you for digging it out 821833;1410116910;kakobrekla;:) 821834;1410117041;asciilifeform;this kind of tale will read as utopian hogwash when the -proper- (e.g., with electroshock and mine) collars are issued. 821835;1410117068;asciilifeform;as pictured in films 'cloud atlas', 'deadlock', etc. 821836;1410117105;thestringpuller;asciilifeform: thanks for the advice! 821837;1410117233;decimation;re: lithium batteries << yes the conventional solution is a spring-clip style battery holder if one can't spot-weld lead to device 821838;1410117260;asciilifeform;soldered batteries are an atrocity. 821839;1410117274;decimation;asciilifeform: but the chinese factory saved several cents! 821840;1410117316;decimation;not that it really matters anyway, because their production is subsidized by the prc, and the purchaser is subsidized by usg 821841;1410117317;mircea_popescu;several in the sense of .8 821842;1410117508;asciilifeform;'"Do you have guest status with any resident?" The robot asked. "No." "Do you have means of support unknown to me?" I suppose I could have stashed a cache of gold under my mattress, and this question allowed me to declare it. Such a cache would, of course, be grounds for arrest, so I was screwed either way. "No." I was without any means of support. "In accordance with ordinance 605.12b, you have been assigned ro 821843;1410117508;asciilifeform;om 140352 in building 16, resident quant C. This assignment provides you with suitable housing and nourishment to sustain your life. Please board the bus."' 821844;1410117594;asciilifeform;great story. how nostalgic! like robert sheckley's 'the academy.' usa was once a rich country, people imagined that they would get to retire into comfortable prisons when an 'age of the robot' comes 821845;1410117643;decimation;Re: Thiel working with usg << I can't imagine anyone running a 'bank' or 'bank-like' service and not being a spy for usg, it's the law yo 821846;1410117687;mircea_popescu;it is the law. 821847;1410117784;asciilifeform;thiel, like his fellows, is less of a baron (with the attendant inviolable privileges) than a... reichsführer. whose lands, posts - are contingent on playing ball and being good boy. 821848;1410117888;mircea_popescu;well paypal definitely can have problem. 821849;1410117923;mircea_popescu;but as far as i recall, it was a serious source of friction between the third reich gauleiters and eastern european nobility, that the latter despised the former on the grounds of... well... this, exactly. 821850;1410117930;asciilifeform;well yes! 821851;1410117949;mircea_popescu;obviously since we're speaking of germany, an east european power par excellence, these were often the same people. 821852;1410117950;*;asciilifeform recommends the 'manna' story except for final chapters. just like mircea_popescu's snip of the 'dulap' tale. 821853;1410117953;asciilifeform;a necessary snip. 821854;1410117958;mircea_popescu;especially in the army. 821855;1410117972;mircea_popescu;hence hitler's constant suspicions of being betrayed by teh heer 821856;1410118082;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform maybe that's cause for a rewrite. 821857;1410118104;asciilifeform;paypal is a classic 'crown privilege' monopoly. 821858;1410118112;asciilifeform;from day one. 821859;1410118456;mircea_popescu;one can only wonder how the us would have fared had it not turned socialist in 1930. 821860;1410118512;mircea_popescu;fdr had scarcely the secessionist excuses of lincoln to fuck the country up. without his lame contribution, it'd have stayed in one piece, but perhaps may have survived the 21st century. 821861;1410118636;decimation;re: hitler < the "old right" nobility and "old republican-style" conservatives in germany gave Hitler control after his party won a minority share because they thought they could 'control him' 821862;1410118713;mircea_popescu;not rly quite as broad. it was one schmuck 821863;1410118732;mircea_popescu;von pappen 821864;1410118785;decimation;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/German_federal_election,_November_1932 They were all worried about the communists too 821865;1410118785;assbot;German federal election, November 1932 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia 821866;1410118816;[]bot;Bet created: "Euro sinks against USD" http://bitbet.us/bet/1041/ 821867;1410118903;assbot;[MPEX] [S.BBET] 2190 @ 0.00040521 = 0.8874 BTC [-] {2} 821868;1410118913;[]bot;Bet created: "Arrest related to the Fappening" http://bitbet.us/bet/1042/ 821869;1410119042;chetty;http://www.paulcraigroberts.org/2014/09/02/warning-world-washington-nato-eu-vassals-insane-paul-craig-roberts-2/ 821870;1410119043;assbot;Warning to the World: Washington and its NATO & EU Vassals are Insane -- Paul Craig Roberts - PaulCraigRoberts.org 821871;1410119147;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2500 @ 0.0006025 = 1.5063 BTC [+] 821872;1410119147;mircea_popescu;oh, no, it's just that putin i mean roberts "does not understand how the world works" 821873;1410119151;mircea_popescu;said every insane person ever. 821874;1410119335;decimation;Imagine if the us were at war with mexico, and russia was openly contemplating sending troops/planes/whatever to the mexican border. people in the us would go apeshit 821875;1410119349;asciilifeform;'zimmerman telegram' 821876;1410119359;mircea_popescu;"The American and Israeli trained and equipped Georgian army collapsed under Russian counterattack in 5 hours." 821877;1410119378;decimation;asciilifeform: one can see a copy hanging in the nsa museum as I recall 821878;1410119383;mircea_popescu;lol check it out, the russian foreign service is quite active in the fringe of the us discourse. orlov, roberts, there's a list with these talking points. 821879;1410119415;*;asciilifeform feels like a chump, apparently works for russian foreign service for free, should demand pay 821880;1410119424;decimation;https://www.nsa.gov/about/cryptologic_heritage/museum/virtual_tour/museum_tour_text.shtml#zimmermann_telegram 821881;1410119425;assbot;National Cryptologic Museum - NSA/CSS 821882;1410119429;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform whyssat ? 821883;1410119478;asciilifeform;because i have no quarrel with anything in that piece - imho, entirely factual. 821884;1410119496;mircea_popescu;it's not, but before we get there, 821885;1410119498;mircea_popescu;He was a prime minister of Denmark who saw he could rise beyond Denmark by serving as Washington’s puppet. As prime minister he strongly supported Washington’s illegal invasion of Iraq, declaring that “we know that Saddam Hussein has weapons of mass destruction.” Of course, the fool didn’t know any such thing, and why would it matter if Iraq did have such weapons. Many countries have weapons of mass destructi 821886;1410119498;mircea_popescu;on. 821887;1410119514;mircea_popescu;isn't it funny how global-warming this sounds ? "we know there is anthropogenic bla bla" 821888;1410119557;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform i don't have any issue with anything in that piece either, but this isn't the criteria. the form specifically is what one uses to identify these things. 821889;1410119597;decimation;To me, mature adults could sit down and hash this stuff out "yes, you can have east Ukraine in exchange for helping us keep a lid on the crazy islams down in the middle east" 821890;1410119629;asciilifeform;decimation: except that 'crazy islam' is an animal of which usg is a studious gamekeeper. 821891;1410119639;mircea_popescu;decimation the russians are unable to do anything in the middle east, as proven by their fabulous failures in afghanistan and cecenia. what's worse, they know this, and won't bargain for it. 821892;1410119642;asciilifeform;(occasional rabid bite nonwithstanding) 821893;1410119672;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform not so. they like to pretend like they are, much like the 11 yo child of a man who keeps fighting dogs pretends to be the master of said dogs for the benefit of any visiting classmates. 821894;1410119701;decimation;I guess as an american far away from everything I would vastly prefer russian hegemony over asia than crazy islam rule, but somehow my 'leaders' see things differently 821895;1410119736;asciilifeform;decimation: it is necessary to understand why usg must do what it does. as in a 'wild west' film, 'ain't room enough in this town for the both of us' 821896;1410119738;mircea_popescu;it really makes no difference. no matter his hair color, a married man is a married man. and so no matter the "ideology", whoever is stuck administering two billion people over ten million acres is similarly caught. 821897;1410119763;mircea_popescu;they'll do exactly what they can get away with, and no more. 821898;1410119767;asciilifeform;the worst thing for a totalitarian reich (like usg and its 'international kommunity' muppet theatre) is - the existence of a 'pepsi' alternative. 821899;1410119781;asciilifeform;i.e. - a place to which thinking men could defect. 821900;1410119789;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform for the reason that then the coke and the pepsi must bid for my allegiance 821901;1410119810;mircea_popescu;much in the way mpex has no home unless some territory with pretentions of statality makes an excellent offrt 821902;1410119828;mircea_popescu;kinda how the holy roman emperor got ground into dust. 821903;1410119838;asciilifeform;this is key. 821904;1410119847;decimation;mircea_popescu: and that's my point, for purely practical reasons alone, one would think that the 'married men' who have to deal with reality would prefer a power that has a track record of at least keeping a lid on the crazies at home and showing up to the diplomacy table with things in order 821905;1410119864;mircea_popescu;decimation nope. in general, sane people would prefer the alternative. perpetually. 821906;1410119876;mircea_popescu;let nothing ever be "well settled". 821907;1410119879;asciilifeform;everybody focuses on, e.g., petro-war, when looking for reason for usg bleeding to the bone in effort to undermine russia 821908;1410119888;asciilifeform;but it's a secondary thing. 821909;1410119896;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform not so. admire this wonder of wonders : 821910;1410119921;mircea_popescu;these people who use that terminology SAY petro war, but ONLY because in their cluelessness the petro- stands for the symbol you correctly use. 821911;1410119942;mircea_popescu;ie, you both mean the same thing. if you allow oil to stand for the "root" account of the world, then yes it's petro-war. 821912;1410119987;jurov; because i have no quarrel with anything in that piece - imho, entirely factual. << did anyone confirmed kiev started by murdering civilians? 821913;1410120001;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14504 @ 0.00060326 = 8.7497 BTC [+] {2} 821914;1410120022;decimation;under this petro-war theory, is the us trying to keep russian oil out of the world market? to the detriment of the us? 821915;1410120023;asciilifeform;jurov: if you ask kiev, the east 'started it' by refusing to fellate nazi cock and speak the west's made-up language 821916;1410120028;mircea_popescu;jurov dja think this makes a practical difference ? 821917;1410120060;jurov;ascii says it's "factual"... so i'm asking about the facts 821918;1410120081;mircea_popescu;decimation the idea is for russian oil to be sold in the manner of oil owned by the us. it doesn't matter who gets paid, as long as the "pay" is in accounts run by thiel, and it all follows kyc etc. 821919;1410120091;mircea_popescu;same exact play as they're currently trying and failing re bitcoin. 821920;1410120135;mircea_popescu;jurov ah yea. well, i agreed with his "it's factual", but i never took an absolute view of this factuality. just, as far as it's worth determining, yeah, that's what it was. 821921;1410120177;decimation;jurov: are you referring to those who were shot while rioting in Kiev? 821922;1410120209;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform what is "nazi cock" anywya ? 821923;1410120266;asciilifeform;the entire 'great ukrs' national concept. created by brits, then picked up by germany, then - usa, into present time. 821924;1410120281;asciilifeform;the tired old 'cut 'em up into bantustans, make them a language, etc' recipe. 821925;1410120286;jurov;as opposed to "great russia" 821926;1410120297;jurov;ascii, you're so incredibly one sided 821927;1410120308;jurov;russians are orcs, as well 821928;1410120339;asciilifeform;like them or not - the russians are historically actual, rather than fictional. 821929;1410120358;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform so what's the beef with the polish-ukrainian confederacy ? just as actual. 821930;1410120368;asciilifeform;quite. 821931;1410120377;mircea_popescu;what am i not following here ? 821932;1410120439;asciilifeform;except that the modern ukrs aren't a resurrected 'Res Publica Polonia' - they're a cheap muppet of usg. 821933;1410120449;mircea_popescu;but this is not the argument you bring. 821934;1410120473;mircea_popescu;whether they're well organised or not presently has no bearing on whether they at all exist. 821935;1410120476;asciilifeform;aha 821936;1410120486;jurov;donetsk republic are muppets, too 821937;1410120499;jurov;putins wants strelkov out? okay, off he goes 821938;1410120505;asciilifeform;this brings up the old discussion of whether the arsonist 'builds' a city 821939;1410120506;mircea_popescu;which... whatever, just how well they actually exist is reasonably unclear to me. how does slovakia exist or so forth 821940;1410120524;mircea_popescu;jurov supposedly russia refused them union or somesuch. 821941;1410120537;jurov;"refused" for now 821942;1410120542;mircea_popescu;well obviously. 821943;1410120544;asciilifeform;usg does not have the strength or will to conquer - it merely destroys 821944;1410120547;jurov;just waiting till it "becomes" inevitable 821945;1410120549;Azelphur;mircea_popescu: I've accepted that job offer from RagnarDanneskjol btw :) 821946;1410120556;mircea_popescu;a good for you. 821947;1410120571;Azelphur;indeed, seems much more my speed, thanks for the recommendation :) 821948;1410120580;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform this is somewhat like saying billy jean does not have the strength or will to form famblies - he merely fucks. 821949;1410120583;mircea_popescu;well... maybe the girl sucks. 821950;1410120585;Azelphur;Bitcoin salary, gonna be fun. 821951;1410120602;asciilifeform;jurov: picture yourself as russian king. do you want to annex ua? if so, for what. 821952;1410120614;mircea_popescu;bread ? 821953;1410120632;jurov;asciilifeform "satellite state" says you something? 821954;1410120639;mircea_popescu;the fact that they were historically more accomplished russians than the muscovy, and earlier so ? 821955;1410120645;mircea_popescu;the seaside resorts ? 821956;1410120689;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: there's correcting khruschev's wandering pencil, and then real conquest 821957;1410120706;decimation;I guess putin isn't happy with having a 'near abroad' anymore 821958;1410120716;jurov;so putin should give kurils to japan too 821959;1410120721;mircea_popescu;lol right. 821960;1410120722;jurov;the people there want to 821961;1410120730;mircea_popescu;isn't that like 1/2 of all sub bases in russia ? 821962;1410120737;asciilifeform;wait there are still people there! lol 821963;1410120742;mircea_popescu;lol. 821964;1410120763;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform the problem with "real" conquest is that it sounds a lot like "let me just put the tip in". what do you mean "real". 821965;1410120782;asciilifeform;well put it this way - which things you get from conquest, that you can't buy. 821966;1410120800;asciilifeform;for two decades, the ru and ua mafias had an understanding. 821967;1410120803;mircea_popescu;lotta buttsex with a lot of very scared womenz ? 821968;1410120813;jurov;utter mess 821969;1410120825;asciilifeform;when does conquest seem like an appealing answer, to what problems. 821970;1410120826;mircea_popescu;yes well, no mafia understanding stands forever. 821971;1410120829;decimation;certainly no one is selling allodial rights to anything these days 821972;1410120838;mircea_popescu;this happens to be a great thing, it's why mafias are better administrators than constitutions. 821973;1410120873;mircea_popescu;"At what point will the Russian government decide that Washington’s mendacity, and that of its European puppets and corrupt Western media, render hopeless Russia’s efforts to resolve the situation with diplomacy and unprovocative behavior? " 821974;1410120876;mircea_popescu;ahahaha herpy-derp. 821975;1410120883;mircea_popescu;dude, seriously. the propaganda war is a propaganda war. 821976;1410120896;mircea_popescu;this is like asking "how long will a chess player tolerate the other's crafty artfulness" 821977;1410120898;mircea_popescu;duh. forever ? 821978;1410120902;asciilifeform;lol 821979;1410120927;mircea_popescu;it is the curse of the contemporary postmodern world that most jobs are done by amateurs. 821980;1410120932;asciilifeform;i'm not even convinced that the ceremony where ua voted for 'independence' happened as advertised. 821981;1410120944;mircea_popescu;these fuckwits couldn't qualify for a driver job for the classic propaganda spinners of a century ago 821982;1410120961;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform join the crowd that has similar doubts about you know... bush's election. 821983;1410120962;mircea_popescu;so what of it ? 821984;1410120964;decimation;it is interesting how russian propaganda took a noticeable right-wing turn sometime around 5 years ago 821985;1410120968;asciilifeform;ah nothing in particular 821986;1410120977;mircea_popescu;who's about to invade the us on account of you know, it botching the bush election ? 821987;1410120991;mircea_popescu;and conversely, once i'm about to invade the us, you can bet your sweet ass it will be to rectify ancient evils 821988;1410120992;asciilifeform;just that derpers going about 'vox populi, vox dei' are tiresome. 821989;1410120997;mircea_popescu;such as that, or whatever you may feel like. 821990;1410120998;decimation;someone in the russian intel service decided that the 'useful idiots' on the left weren't so useful anymore 821991;1410121015;mircea_popescu;decimation no, it's the direct effect of capitalism. 821992;1410121024;mircea_popescu;people once allowed free markets turn their ideas against the us idiocy. 821993;1410121038;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4200 @ 0.00060233 = 2.5298 BTC [-] 821994;1410121040;decimation;because they always choose the alternative right? 821995;1410121047;mircea_popescu;which is why free markets are so important, and why "regulated" us-style so pernicious. 821996;1410121061;mircea_popescu;not just that, tho prolly a large part. 821997;1410121105;mircea_popescu;but also you know, many things that constitute th "reasonable" for they locked up into a tower / locked up into a 12yo body / locked away in that early phase of sleep melt away as ridiculous once the full mind is awake 821998;1410121127;decimation;this is true 821999;1410121156;mircea_popescu;i mean i clearly recall ths experience where i was falling asleep, and my through process in the remainder part of the brain was "oh my god what if i don't know how to open the door anymore" 822000;1410121158;mircea_popescu;literally, that. 822001;1410121164;mircea_popescu;had a good lol when i woke up. 822002;1410121177;*;asciilifeform experiences this regularly. 822003;1410121181;mircea_popescu;now- this is exactly the thought process of your run of the mill us citizen, or otherwise socialist derp. 822004;1410121189;mircea_popescu;"must has the state for i can't open the fucking door" 822005;1410121194;*;asciilifeform chalks it up to REM paralysis 822006;1410121206;mircea_popescu;but once some experience with doors is gained... well... lol. ok nm, moving on to saner approaches. 822007;1410121219;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform yeah it's prolly quite related. 822008;1410121261;mircea_popescu;this is the life of the "theoretician", ie, the guy living in an artificial environment surviving on "grants", and of the child (the prototype of all contemporary scientists - he writes grant applications for to study the new xbox) 822009;1410121313;decimation;mircea_popescu: there's a good story about that in the podcast link I put up yesterday: "But even without Russ's lectures, people began to recognize the potential for the Tragedy of the Commons. And quite quickly formed Cattlemans' Associations--the kind of thing that Elinor Ostrom would, you know, love to talk about; and I've talked about it with her. Russ: These are voluntary restrictions on the use of resources, not government, 822010;1410121314;decimation;right? Guest: Government wasn't even a--close to Montana at the time these were formed, these were people saying, 'Gee, our cattle are mixing with one another and are breeding and maybe we don't want that. And if you put all your cattle where I put mine, there will be a tragedy of the commons.' " 822011;1410121366;decimation;ranchers in ungoverned lands just got together and figured out how to solve the problem of overgrazing/herd mixing, without any state involved 822012;1410121404;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12300 @ 0.0006059 = 7.4526 BTC [+] 822013;1410121417;mircea_popescu;the key ingredient ? 822014;1410121432;mircea_popescu;armed ranchers. armed ranchers who weren'tfrom the ozarks, but had heard of the ozarks. 822015;1410121445;jurov;actually, does anyone knows how hunters and gatherers stumbled upon this horrid idea of having a state? 822016;1410121458;asciilifeform;jurov: j.c.scott. 'the art of not being governed.' 822017;1410121465;mircea_popescu;jurov yes. it goes like this : if me and my friends meet you and your friends, we'll want to fight. 822018;1410121466;decimation;yeah they had a pretty close approximation to 'allodial rule' 822019;1410121471;asciilifeform;^ sweeping masterwork on the subject 822020;1410121471;jurov;if the former arrangement is superior, why does the history repeat? 822021;1410121476;mircea_popescu;if i have more friends than you, you're fucked, even if you may be better than me. 822022;1410121478;mircea_popescu;and so there it goes. 822023;1410121521;asciilifeform;see also: 822024;1410121522;asciilifeform;!s you and the atomic bomb 822025;1410121523;assbot;4 results for 'you and the atomic bomb' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=you+and+the+atomic+bomb 822026;1410121668;jurov;so... you're all dreaming of stuff that works only in sparsely populated land? 822027;1410121729;mircea_popescu;jurov no, it works fine just as long as one has the upper hand. 822028;1410121745;mircea_popescu;and until such a time, one breaks the hands of the opposition and beats it over the head with them until rendered. 822029;1410121788;jurov;again, that works best on sparsely populated land 822030;1410121822;mircea_popescu;if "best" is defined specifically so as to favour that, sure. 822031;1410121833;mircea_popescu;if not, inamushc as it's the only thing that works, it works best anytime anywhere. 822032;1410121873;decimation;jurov: certainly a few hundred years ago the major population centers of europe were ruled in a 'non-populist' way 822033;1410121899;decimation;I blame the french. 822034;1410121929;jurov;decimation dunno, in latin hungary there was always a struggle between a king and nobility 822035;1410121941;jurov;king had to be quite a populist 822036;1410121972;mircea_popescu;but nobility did not. 822037;1410122009;mircea_popescu;there's never going to be a solution for "all people", mind. what's at stake is for the solution to exist for the *right* people. 822038;1410122031;decimation;jurov: and I suspect that the solution was not to give every breathing biped a nanoslice of power 822039;1410122044;mircea_popescu;and gauleiters, or for that matter bureaucrats of any persuasion, can never be the right people. 822040;1410122094;jurov;decimation but they do have nanoslice of power regardless 822041;1410122102;jurov;if they decide 822042;1410122107;jurov;to use it 822043;1410122130;decimation;jurov: that's true, they can always riot/subvert, etc, which ultimately puts a lid on the king's/noble's power 822044;1410122136;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 38451 @ 0.00060679 = 23.3317 BTC [+] {3} 822045;1410122163;decimation;but this usually doesn't end well for anyone ie Napoleon 822046;1410122182;xmj;hmmm 822047;1410122184;decimation;or Caesar (Julius) for that matter 822048;1410122187;xmj;if you guys want exposure to some fun, 822049;1410122193;mircea_popescu;these are both bad examples. 822050;1410122195;xmj;look into "Aristocratic Egalitarianism" 822051;1410122199;mircea_popescu;you're thinking sylla 822052;1410122200;xmj;and Propertarianism. 822053;1410122203;xmj;you might like it. 822054;1410122280;decimation;yeah sylla pretty much put an end to the 'old republic 822055;1410122293;mircea_popescu;decimation but importantly, on the sort of populist grounds contemplated here, 822056;1410122296;mircea_popescu;or else the grachi 822057;1410122314;mircea_popescu;caesar is not much for an example. similarly napoleon, minus his pr, was not jacobin at all. 822058;1410122371;decimation;no, but my point is that destroying the structure of power typically empowers some megalomaniac to step in and fix things 822059;1410122430;decimation;of course one could also argue that the reason the french/roman aristocracy fell is because they sucked and had it coming 822060;1410122460;asciilifeform;the chinese, with their 'mandate of heaven' - get it. 822061;1410122652;decimation;asciilifeform: but that's effectively a capitulation to the idea that the permanent state is a necessity when humans live 'at scale' 822062;1410122682;asciilifeform;'mandate of heaven' ? 822063;1410122695;decimation;someone needs to be mandated right? 822064;1410122698;asciilifeform;usually discussed in terms of losing it. 822065;1410122716;asciilifeform;that is, if king is overthrown, clearly he was unfit. 822066;1410122742;Apocalyptic;how so ? 822067;1410122744;decimation;right but then the next king takes over (usually with a different style), not an outbreak of anarchy-capitalism or whatever 822068;1410122782;asciilifeform;can be extended to 'if you end up sucking kingly cock, clearly you were unfit to maintain your anarchowhatever pastoral reservation.' 822069;1410122819;decimation;heh, as the jews say, if you take the king's shekels you take the king's shackles 822070;1410122821;asciilifeform;not a political statement, really a physical 'captain obvious.' -- 'if you went splat, clearly your parachute was inadequate.' 822071;1410122980;jurov;xmj from propertarianism.com "Flourishing requires that we suppress free riding in all its forms." << who decides about free riding and who's gonna supress it? 822072;1410123013;xmj;they have that elaborated there too 822073;1410123044;asciilifeform;jurov: gotta love the american 'anarcho-something-alists' who prattle on about 'rights' and a grandiose 'we' who 'shall do' things. 822074;1410123110;asciilifeform;jurov: i like to tell them, 'come back when you've invented a pocket neutron bomb that can be made from sticks and grass. until then, enjoy the state (tm) .' 822075;1410123178;decimation;asciilifeform: agreed. to me, rule under a wise king/baron/whatever is much more likely to approach their 'libertarian' ideals than statelessness 822076;1410123179;jurov;it seems to me as some kkind of ultracalvinism... without religious adherence to these principles whole thing falls apart 822077;1410123260;asciilifeform;jurov: back when the 'rights' folks believed in god, they at least had a sound psychiatric reason for pretending to have the pocket neutron bomb without actually having it 822078;1410123279;asciilifeform;'respect my rights (tm) or god will zap' 822079;1410123291;asciilifeform;but today, 'respect my rights because i have rights' 822080;1410123410;chetty;religion does have purpose 822081;1410123415;asciilifeform;sometimes it's a 'respect my rights!11! or usg will set your house on fire.' 822082;1410123432;xmj;jurov: well it shouldn't 822083;1410123442;decimation;asciilifeform: as a Christian I find these 'godless anarcho-whatevers' to be amusing because they want to make usg into their god 822084;1410123446;xmj;jurov: ideally we'll come up with a set of self-perpetuating institutions. 822085;1410123452;asciilifeform;this generally works if opponent lives in a house usg has a habit, or otherwise might like, to set on fire - and could use pretext. 822086;1410123518;asciilifeform;(why usg needs pretext? has own internal rituals.) 822087;1410123518;chetty;people seem to need religion, they drop one, they invent another, by a different name ..greenies for instance 822088;1410123520;asciilifeform;!s morloch 822089;1410123521;assbot;3 results for 'morloch' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=morloch 822090;1410123716;decimation;think what you will about Jaweh, but don't say he didn't warn people what was going to happen: https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=1+Samuel+8%3A10-20&version=KJV 822091;1410123717;assbot;1 Samuel 8:10-20 KJV - And Samuel told all the words of the - Bible Gateway 822092;1410123748;asciilifeform;it is particularly entertaining, at least in limited dose, to read people whine about usg - the same people in whose heads it lives, of whom it is made in fact. 822093;1410123781;xmj;^ 822094;1410123792;decimation;asciilifeform: which is pretty much every adult who lives within 30 miles of you :) 822095;1410123802;xmj;decimation: 300 miles, too 822096;1410123809;chetty;kinda waste of effort to hate an idea 822097;1410123810;xmj;even 500miles, if you'd walk that far 822098;1410123812;asciilifeform;the presumption of a totalitarian 'we' - that will 'fix things' once 'take control' - jumps straight out of the page. 822099;1410123859;asciilifeform;xmj: complicated. imagine you happened to live near a fission reactor. 822100;1410123859;decimation;I suspect it's particularly obvious to anyone who lived in the ussr 822101;1410123865;chetty;the 'we' seems to be a bunch of very annoying bureaucrats 822102;1410123878;asciilifeform;xmj: suppose you are, e.g, an amish, and haven't much use for electric mains personally 822103;1410123898;asciilifeform;xmj: what kind of fate do you wish for the reactor 822104;1410123915;asciilifeform;first thing you might like is to move - far away 822105;1410123928;asciilifeform;but what if for some reason you haven't been able to do this. 822106;1410123944;chetty;better move fast, the fences are going up 822107;1410123974;asciilifeform;chetty: the best fences - invisible. and have been 'up' for very long time. 822108;1410124012;chetty;yeah but lately they been adding some not so invisible barbed wire 822109;1410124013;decimation;asciilifeform: perhaps if you can't move away from the reactor, your next 'defense' is to understand how it works so that you can predict 'danger' 822110;1410124043;asciilifeform;what good it does you to 'predict danger' if you can't pick up & go? 822111;1410124051;asciilifeform;(if you could - why would you wait until it pops) 822112;1410124089;chetty;asciilifeform, easy answer, the couch tv and potato chips are there 822113;1410124114;asciilifeform;-- couch tv and potato chips are there << or the chalkboard and cyclotron. 822114;1410124140;decimation;asciilifeform: in other words, invent an alternative reactor that doesn't suck? 822115;1410124144;chetty;well at least thats a respectable excuse 822116;1410124192;asciilifeform;this is why the death of ussr is a global calamity - even folks like jurov and mircea_popescu, who saw the underside of the colonial boot, might see the argument as to how 822117;1410124215;asciilifeform;no pepsi-chalkboard, no pepsi-cyclotron to the moribund 'coke.' 822118;1410124252;decimation;asciilifeform: indeed, and this is why you are making 'cardano' within a 30 minute drive of fort meade :) 822119;1410124257;chetty;yeah at least 2 lions can argue over the carcass and leave the mice alone. One lion gets greedy 822120;1410124277;jurov;ussr was definite exercise in proving eugenics futile... dunno how it could have not fallen 822121;1410124313;xmj;huh? 822122;1410124314;asciilifeform;decimation: world's laziest bureaucrats. perhaps they're out of duffel bags and garotte wire. 822123;1410124332;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5900 @ 0.00062544 = 3.6901 BTC [+] 822124;1410124366;asciilifeform;decimation: that - or they're long under the control of soviet saboteurs like 'stirrup finder' 822125;1410124381;xmj;asciilifeform: you're talking about the old dichotomy. exit or voice. 822126;1410124381;decimation;asciilifeform: I doubt that there is anyone in usg that is empowered to use garotte wire within the us 822127;1410124407;xmj;asciilifeform: ribbonfarm.com had a good article on that one 822128;1410124407;xmj;http://www.ribbonfarm.com/2014/09/03/how-to-fall-off-the-wagon/ 822129;1410124408;assbot;How to Fall Off the Wagon 822130;1410124408;xmj;about who's likely to use which way of changing things. 822131;1410124441;asciilifeform;!s stirrup finder 822132;1410124441;assbot;1 results for 'stirrup finder' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=stirrup+finder 822133;1410124454;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11583 @ 0.00062612 = 7.2523 BTC [+] 822134;1410124472;decimation;whatever one says about nsa, it's clear that the 'we protect computers & networks' section hasn't been doing much for the past 30 years 822135;1410124472;decimation;even by usg standards 822136;1410124472;asciilifeform;arsebot dead ? 822137;1410124629;chetty;decimation, sure they do stuff, just like the irs, they surf for porn 822138;1410124660;asciilifeform;doubt that there is anyone in usg that is empowered to use garotte << apparently they prefer limpet mines on auto and plane fuel tanks. perhaps they're also short on these ? 822139;1410125713;*;asciilifeform was fond of nixon for so long as knew the story about him - because there must have been something fundamentally good about the man if his fellow leeches threw him under the bus. 822140;1410125905;decimation;asciilifeform: that was the point of the blog: http://28sherman.blogspot.com/2014/08/unified-theory-on-watergate.html << "Despite Nixon's capture of the presidency, he learned where real power lay. In Haldeman's "Ends of Power", he writes ...by 1971 Nixon had realized he was virtually powerless to deal with the bureaucracy in every department of thegovernment... Civil servants, almost all liberal Democrats, would thumb their noses at 822141;1410125905;assbot;28 Sherman: Unified Theory on Watergate 822142;1410125906;decimation;him. Washington insiders all acknowledge that the man who is still King in Washington has been dead for 32 years. Franklin D. Roosevelt's legacy lives on." 822143;1410130170;ben_vulpes;http://www.dailydot.com/news/volcano-mt-tavurvur-eruption-footage/ 822144;1410130170;assbot;Stunned tourists capture incredible volcanic eruption 822145;1410130398;mircea_popescu;xmj: they have that elaborated there too <<, they being a lone guy who flatters himself that he's going to "continue" things he scarcely understands, from a purely theoretical perspective. because this works now, and the ample supply of tims and culwicks is somehow not self-defeating. 822146;1410130400;kakobrekla;TheNewDeal you can do that yourself. 822147;1410130403;mircea_popescu;or for that matter self-deafening 822148;1410130493;xmj;thank god there's a lone guy judging another lone guy. 822149;1410130512;mircea_popescu;nice, but relativism doth not work merely because it would be convenient for it to. 822150;1410130518;Duffer1;so here's a first for me, i got advertising dust today https://blockchain.info/address/1LaxoTrQy51LnB289VmoSAgN6J6UrJbfL9 822151;1410130518;assbot;Bitcoin Address 1LaxoTrQy51LnB289VmoSAgN6J6UrJbfL9 822152;1410130527;mircea_popescu;wd. 822153;1410130584;kakobrekla;i didnt get shit :( 822154;1410130595;mircea_popescu;your advertising is weak! 822155;1410130623;mircea_popescu;decimation samuel was in all likeliness a pre biblical wiseguy. so technically jahweh just copy-pasted. 822156;1410130641;Duffer1;looks like everyone they sent to is in WoT, but i don't see some of the bigger names from this chan 822157;1410130727;mircea_popescu;chetty: well at least thats a respectable excuse << every excuse is respectable to the one guy whose respect matters you know. 822158;1410130847;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform: this is why the death of ussr is a global calamity - even folks like jurov and mircea_popescu, who saw the underside of the colonial boot, might see the argument as to how << i certainly do not see such. 822159;1410130867;mircea_popescu;it was a very enjoyable experience to piss in the chalice in byzantium, looking forward to pissing i nthe chalice in rome. 822160;1410130895;jurov;stan apparently thinks ussr kept tejh us in check. now they're gone, usg destroys everything 822161;1410130923;mircea_popescu;jurov: ussr was definite exercise in proving eugenics futile... dunno how it could have not fallen << tell more ? 822162;1410130987;mircea_popescu;jurov well they kept the us mentally in check, so to speak. they're muppets in the fields of kansas, the best they can do is "we're better than x", very limited meanness. once no more x, there isn't a good reason not to patriot act all over the bed. i suppose that's the strongest reading of that. 822163;1410130988;jurov;dunno, i just think the ussr eugenics program was overdone 822164;1410130998;mircea_popescu;i didn't think they had one. how did it go ? 822165;1410131074;mircea_popescu;xmj: asciilifeform: you're talking about the old dichotomy. exit or voice. << how the fuck are the 70s old! 822166;1410131101;jurov;what else to call their management of the population? 822167;1410131172;mircea_popescu;i dunno, i don't think it's a settled matter 822168;1410131175;xmj;? 822169;1410131182;xmj;exit or voice has been around forever. 822170;1410131184;mircea_popescu;which is why i'm kinda curious of what you mean, cuz it doesn't seem much represented. 822171;1410131196;mircea_popescu;xmj it's hirschman's idea, and it has been around since forever in the sense of the 70s. 822172;1410131213;xmj;that doesn't matter 822173;1410131227;mircea_popescu;right. 822174;1410131232;xmj;he may have been the one to put a name on it, the idea behind it has existed for millennia 822175;1410131235;xmj;^ what i mean 822176;1410131257;mircea_popescu;a dubious assertion, but lettuce let it lay. 822177;1410131272;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6000 @ 0.00079684 = 4.781 BTC [+] 822178;1410131397;mircea_popescu;whoa back to 8 822179;1410131401;mircea_popescu;dude the volatility in this thing 822180;1410131602;ben_vulpes;;;ticker 822181;1410131604;gribble;Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 479.01, Best ask: 479.09, Bid-ask spread: 0.08000, Last trade: 479.1, 24 hour volume: 2198.42967875, 24 hour low: 477.25, 24 hour high: 483.0, 24 hour vwap: 480.399542153 822182;1410131811;mircea_popescu;"The 40th anniversary of President Richard Nixon's resignation just passed. The myths around the Watergate scandal are many and deep. Like all bits of American history, there is the official version and the truth. We will never know the truth, but the official version looks shakier with each year. The reason for pushing him out looks quaint as our elected and unelected elite commit far more heinous acts and far greater 822183;1410131812;mircea_popescu;abuses of power. Members of his team bugged an office? Heh, how simple. Bug the world like Bush-Obama. I have always been intrigued by Nixon's rise, fall and return like a rock star set to politics, and this is my current take on a unified theory of Watergate." 822184;1410131827;mircea_popescu;this is such nonsense. let's write it about ted bundy now. 822185;1410132028;mircea_popescu;"The 40th anniversary of Ted Bundy's conviction just passed. The myths (not really, but we can call things anything, right?) around the crimes and their prosecution are many and deep (no reference required here). Like all bits of American (spurious, this is true of all history, but hey, gotta pander to the reader's "sentiment") history, there is the official version and the truth. We will never know the truth (delibera 822186;1410132029;mircea_popescu;tely so), but the official version looks shakier with each year (by simple working of the poor quality of this kind of idiot's memory). The reason for pushing him out looks quaint as that guy in Belgium kept a girl in a basement or whatever, and that's how things work now, by comparison and recourse to derpmemory. Because we're living in fucking post-literate society among barbarians. Here is my very important fanon on 822187;1410132030;mircea_popescu;the topic please read it and care because I have nothing else." 822188;1410132587;BingoBoingo;%t 822189;1410132588;atcbot;[X-BT] Bid: 205 Ask: 221 Last Price: 221 24h-Vol: 9k High: 221 Low: 221 VWAP: 221 822190;1410132604;BingoBoingo;%v 822191;1410132605;atcbot;[X-BT VWAP] Bid: 205 Ask: 221 Last Price: 221 30d-Vol: 1.56M 30d-High: 250 30d-Low: 170 30d-VWAP: 195 822192;1410132813;mircea_popescu;!up BlueMeanie4 822193;1410132858;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28750 @ 0.00079702 = 22.9143 BTC [+] {2} 822194;1410133245;BingoBoingo;!t m s.mpoe 822195;1410133245;assbot;[MPEX:S.MPOE] 1D: 0.00059659 / 0.00062126 / 0.00079764 (859525 shares, 533.99 BTC), 7D: 0.00059659 / 0.00075371 / 0.00086027 (3582668 shares, 2,700.31 BTC), 30D: 0.00059659 / 0.00073704 / 0.00088145 (16887234 shares, 12,446.73 BTC) 822196;1410133322;BingoBoingo;!up vos_vos 822197;1410133327;BingoBoingo;Hello vos_vos 822198;1410133339;vos_vos;hi 822199;1410133515;BingoBoingo;https://twitter.com/guba1a/status/508685213342662656/photo/1 822200;1410133517;assbot;Gibraltar XI's occupations today against Poland... http://t.co/xevwyPvHvZ 822201;1410133544;[]bot;Bet placed: 1.75 BTC for No on "Euro sinks against USD" http://bitbet.us/bet/1041/ Odds: 1(Y):99(N) by coin, 1(Y):99(N) by weight. Total bet: 1.85 BTC. Current weight: 99,843. 822202;1410133675;mircea_popescu;kakobrekla ^ :D 822203;1410133811;kakobrekla;3 months is kinda short aint it 822204;1410133836;mircea_popescu;the skirt is kinda short an' the stockings kinda red, but it'll have to do 822205;1410134046;ThickAsThieves;;;ticker 822206;1410134048;gribble;Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 476.53, Best ask: 477.37, Bid-ask spread: 0.84000, Last trade: 477.4, 24 hour volume: 2853.01037943, 24 hour low: 474.95, 24 hour high: 483.0, 24 hour vwap: 479.288412986 822207;1410134068;ThickAsThieves;now mpoe goes up, my theory is crap 822208;1410134086;ThickAsThieves;bot owner is trolling me 822209;1410134150;BingoBoingo;ThickAsThieves: Maybe USG got an MPEx account just to fuck with you? 822210;1410134171;mircea_popescu;or maybe a battle's been raging for a few weeks 822211;1410134263;BingoBoingo;Eh, this MPOE volatility has been happening for what? since it broke 100000 satoshis? 822212;1410134270;BingoBoingo;It's just faster now 822213;1410134278;ThickAsThieves;since it broke 7 i think 822214;1410134289;mircea_popescu;something like that 822215;1410134371;BingoBoingo;For all we know the USG might take a break from shorting BTC and send the Euro under the dollar tomorrow by telling Germany it lost their gold. 822216;1410134406;BingoBoingo;For that announcement I imagine Obama wearning Mr. T's gold chains 822217;1410134511;ThickAsThieves;GS has that under control 822218;1410134535;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo amusingly that'd prolly strengthen the euro 822219;1410134539;ThickAsThieves;they gave a roadmap for EURUSD parity, and now it's happening 822220;1410134587;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: Not at first. First it strengthens the Dinar, or whatever the fuck ISIS uses. Probably fucking Dogecoin. 822221;1410134590;ThickAsThieves;which i guess means they wanna buy EUR? 822222;1410134597;BingoBoingo;ISIS would use fucking Dogecoin. 822223;1410134623;ThickAsThieves;or maybe they just wanna vacation in EUR more 822224;1410134673;BingoBoingo;https://duckduckgo.com/?q=how+to+smuggle+dollars&t=canonical 822225;1410134673;assbot;how to smuggle dollars at DuckDuckGo 822226;1410134781;BingoBoingo;First result: https://www.ice.gov/bulk-cash-smuggling-center/faq/ 822227;1410134877;artifexd;TIL my wife is guilty of "bulk cash smuggling". I wonder if there is a reward. 822228;1410135134;mircea_popescu;How common is bulk cash smuggling? 822229;1410135135;mircea_popescu;Every year, hundreds of people try to smuggle more than $10,000 across U.S. borders in order to avoid reporting requirements. In fiscal year 2013 alone, ICE HSI special agents arrested over 520 individuals who were attempting to smuggle currency and seized more than $59 million in bulk currency or monetary instruments. 822230;1410135144;mircea_popescu;;;calc 59*10**6 / 520 822231;1410135144;gribble;113461.538462 822232;1410135157;mircea_popescu;this seems shockingly ineffectual. 822233;1410135310;cazalla;mircea_popescu, http://www.bitcoinprivilege.com/cazalla_forum_posts.html past weeks posts 822234;1410135311;assbot;Forum Posts 822235;1410135319;mircea_popescu;danke. 822236;1410135330;BingoBoingo;I'm pretty sure this is why the ruskies used stamps 822237;1410135334;mircea_popescu;i mean... "bitcoin, 100x larger than all the ice results in 2013" ? 822238;1410135356;mircea_popescu;"How does bulk cash smuggling affect our country? 822239;1410135356;mircea_popescu;Bulk cash smuggling damages our economy by removing billions of dollars from the commerce of the United States. " 822240;1410135362;mircea_popescu;ahem. 59 mn != billions. 822241;1410135379;mircea_popescu;they must be thinking of the billion and a half in bills the contractors took over to the taliban in iraq ? 822242;1410135469;BingoBoingo;Mebbe 822243;1410135518;BingoBoingo;I wonder if there is a dollar bill version of fast and furious, where Instead of ATF and guns the treasury just dumped a bunch of money on the cartels 822244;1410135544;mircea_popescu;yeah, actually. 822245;1410135579;kakobrekla;or the success rate is lower than 5.9% 822246;1410135664;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 5 @ 0.18141999 = 0.9071 BTC [+] {4} 822247;1410135864;BingoBoingo;http://edition.cnn.com/2014/09/06/world/americas/9-year-old-joyrides-in-city-bus/index.html?hpt=hp_t2 822248;1410135865;assbot;Boy, 9, goes joy riding in city bus, police say - CNN.com 822249;1410135940;mircea_popescu;kakobrekla how would they know ? 822250;1410135977;kakobrekla;not the scope of this discussion! 822251;1410136033;mircea_popescu;decimation btw, here's a curio : while darwin published in 1956, there's a little book of anon fiction published in 1844, "Vestiges of the Natural History of Creation" 822252;1410136037;mircea_popescu;pretty much the same fare. 822253;1410136094;BingoBoingo;I've always assumed the metallic ink on higher denomination US bills was to create X-ray shadows 822254;1410136149;mircea_popescu;lol kako arguing liek an ancient lawyer nao :D 822255;1410136396;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7000 @ 0.00080211 = 5.6148 BTC [+] 822256;1410137362;cazalla;!s peernova 822257;1410137363;assbot;0 results for 'peernova' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=peernova 822258;1410137372;cazalla;"Digital CC Limited (trading as digitalBTC)(ASX: DCC) (the Company or digitalBTC) is pleased to announce it has leased ~11% of its first generation mining capacity to PeerNova Inc., for an upfront payment of US$460,000." 822259;1410137378;cazalla;first time i've heard of this peernova mob 822260;1410137417;mircea_popescu;"digital cc limited" is not exactly famous either. 822261;1410137454;cazalla;i only follow it because they're au based 822262;1410137469;mircea_popescu;im pretty sure that logo we've lolled at beofre tho 822263;1410137517;cazalla;peernova or digital btc? 822264;1410137520;cazalla;or both 822265;1410137555;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 750 @ 0.00080131 = 0.601 BTC [-] 822266;1410137586;mircea_popescu;http://peernova.com/product/petaone-rack/ << so wait... these people both make miners and pay 450k to rent miners ? 822267;1410137588;assbot;PetaOne Rack – PeerNova 822268;1410137610;mircea_popescu;this is starting to sound a whole lot like usagi on steroids. 822269;1410137651;mircea_popescu;"BitVest Digital Mining Corp. selected PeerNova as its strategic hardware supplier after an extensive review process. PeerNova's PetaOne(TM) enterprise class bitcoin mining systems offer the best combination of power, efficiency and cost for BitVest's planned large scale deployment." 822270;1410137656;mircea_popescu;da fuck lol. what's "bitvest" 822271;1410137712;mircea_popescu;http://www.bitvest.co/ << extensive review process people. 822272;1410137713;assbot;bitvest.co | Cryptocurrency Investments Strategies Made Simple 822273;1410137745;cazalla;not heard of that one either 822274;1410137750;mircea_popescu;domain Registered OnDecember 09, 2013 822275;1410137800;mircea_popescu;"PeerNova is leading the innovation in peer to peer applications and platforms for the digital currency and e-commerce markets. Our expertise is in building and deploying world class, high performance hardware and software solutions at the lowest OpEx and CapEx." 822276;1410137802;cazalla;To schedule a cryptocurrency investment consultation, please email us at info@bitvest.co - sounds good 822277;1410137807;mircea_popescu;meanwhile domain was born this april. 822278;1410137819;mircea_popescu;listen cazalla i would say at this point you've found an internet scamring. 822279;1410137831;danielpbarron;mircea_popescu, no report this week 822280;1410137865;cazalla;well, the guy behind digital BTC got done here by the ACCC for mobile games, ringtones a few years back 822281;1410137909;mircea_popescu;"DigitalBTC has technically been listed on the ASX since its ‘reverse takeover’ and transformation of Macro Energy Limited back in March, but has pursued the extra legitimacy of its own listing since then, which required approval." 822282;1410137921;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10508 @ 0.00080107 = 8.4176 BTC [-] {2} 822283;1410137925;mircea_popescu;this being the halmark of penny stock fraud, the reverse takeover. 822284;1410137937;mircea_popescu;cazalla "got done" ? 822285;1410137946;cazalla;fined 822286;1410137953;cazalla;slap on the wrist type stuff from memory 822287;1410138026;cazalla;;;ud got done 822288;1410138026;gribble;http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=got%20done | 1: "Daves got done for stopping on a red route" 2: "I got done for that saxo, it cost me £3000" 3: "She got done by steve after the club". by oracle March 12, 2004. 822289;1410138034;mircea_popescu;it looks quite scummy on the face, but i personally can';t be arsed to look into it. if you had a blog and the inclination to research you could prolly publish a decent article 822290;1410138071;cazalla;i might just do that 822291;1410138133;mircea_popescu;there's absolutely no way someone who supposedly makes 1ph cabinets also wants to rent mining power. 822292;1410138470;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2650 @ 0.00079389 = 2.1038 BTC [-] 822293;1410138531;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16868 @ 0.00079232 = 13.3649 BTC [-] 822294;1410138674;mircea_popescu;!up B007 822295;1410138947;thestringpuller;not sure if bond reference or leet speak... 822296;1410139182;mircea_popescu;i upped on the bond theory. 822297;1410139385;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9552 @ 0.0007793 = 7.4439 BTC [-] 822298;1410139477;B007;bond rederence 822299;1410139566;mircea_popescu;lol hi. 822300;1410139602;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform i just passed along your most recent naggum link to a group of ro kids to great benefit. you've contributed to the "propasirea culturala a neamului" 822301;1410139689;B007;hi 822302;1410139740;B007;I trolled here some months ago 822303;1410139753;mircea_popescu;was it fun ? 822304;1410139757;B007;also I predicted mc 1000 btc bet :D 822305;1410139759;B007;yes 822306;1410139821;mircea_popescu;mc what ? 822307;1410139995;B007;08-03-2014 02:09:00 mircea_popescu: you should bet 1000 on something on your site 822308;1410140010;B007;8 days before you did 822309;1410140019;mircea_popescu;o.O 822310;1410140026;mircea_popescu;wd lol 822311;1410141223;mircea_popescu;RagnarDanneskjol you wanna talk to a bunch of kinda derpy ro kids with some linux sysadmin experience ? 822312;1410141444;RagnarDanneskjol;oh yea. I can deal with mild derpidity. shoot em my way 822313;1410141474;RagnarDanneskjol;or should I reach out to them 822314;1410141522;mircea_popescu;join #rogentos-dezvoltare 822315;1410141524;mircea_popescu;ill intro. 822316;1410141542;RagnarDanneskjol;ok many tanks 822317;1410141582;kakobrekla;no planes? 822318;1410141695;mircea_popescu;planes ? 822319;1410141754;kakobrekla;boring with tanks only. 822320;1410141778;mircea_popescu;ol 822321;1410142051;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: naggum link << which ? 822322;1410142926;TheNewDeal;;;nethash 822323;1410142927;gribble;222050773.13 822324;1410143353;ben_vulpes; incidentally, it is shocking, outrageous but also very amusing to see just how copy-pasted the final days us is from the peak of romania. it's almost as if instead of the romanian idiots copying teh superior us businessmen, the reverse happened. << i'd love to hear more about this 822325;1410143411;kakobrekla;!s n6 822326;1410143411;assbot;15 results for 'n6' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=n6 822327;1410143429;n6;creepy 822328;1410143459;kakobrekla;seemed like a new face 822329;1410143580;ben_vulpes;;;seen mike_c 822330;1410143581;gribble;mike_c was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 3 days, 5 hours, 3 minutes, and 10 seconds ago: the previous boss of argentina: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jyoTwDfXZ6c 822331;1410143618;mike_c;hey 822332;1410143654;asciilifeform;http://imgur.com/a/ubbE6 822333;1410143655;assbot;Fun and Joy in Washington, D.C. - Imgur 822334;1410143660;asciilifeform;^ today. 822335;1410143880;kakobrekla;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=07-09-2014#821347 822336;1410143880;assbot;Logged on 07-09-2014 04:06:06; asciilifeform: http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=LQKkpS3b 822337;1410143891;kakobrekla;strange, this predates it: http://dpaste.com/108JWBZ.txt 822338;1410143916;asciilifeform;that one - not mine 822339;1410143939;kakobrekla;mine 822340;1410143946;asciilifeform;aha. 822341;1410143975;asciilifeform;lots of effort for a fellow who 'doesn't care.' 822342;1410143985;kakobrekla;yup 822343;1410144232;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: i certainly do not see such... piss in the chalice in byzantium... pissing i nthe chalice in rome << some of us might like a place to defect to (specifically defect, rather than gulag-break and run into taiga) 822344;1410144272;asciilifeform;kakobrekla: strange << what's surprising? poor sod carries on and on, like broken record 822345;1410144321;kakobrekla;strange? the follow up on the led and audio after not caring. 822346;1410144332;kakobrekla;as you already pointed out. 822347;1410144342;asciilifeform;he'll 'not care' to anybody who listens. 822348;1410144350;kakobrekla;lol 822349;1410144983;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform the one about the matrix flippin;'. 822350;1410144987;asciilifeform;ahaha 822351;1410145011;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes yeah but so far not so sure how to organise it. 822352;1410145075;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform you know, the defectors weren't all that happy generally. 822353;1410145077;ben_vulpes;what inspired the comment in the first place? 822354;1410145090;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: yes - who doesn't know this. 822355;1410145123;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes the thiel-buterin thing. 822356;1410145127;asciilifeform;i for one would still take it over alternative. 822357;1410145241;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2250 @ 0.00076791 = 1.7278 BTC [-] 822358;1410145808;mircea_popescu;http://overlays.gentoo.org/ 822359;1410145812;mircea_popescu;what the fuck did they do now. 822360;1410145822;mircea_popescu;these people. gentoo - each day a surprise. 822361;1410145861;*;asciilifeform in his 10th year of gentoo now. 822362;1410145902;mircea_popescu;so what happened ot the overlays list ? 822363;1410145903;asciilifeform;wake up, diametric. him - too, i think. 822364;1410145919;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: probably cut wire. or caught fire. 822365;1410145931;mircea_popescu;aha. i thought website reorg 822366;1410145982;asciilifeform;http://gpo.zugaina.org/Overlays << mirror 822367;1410145982;assbot;Gentoo Portage Overlays - Overlays 822368;1410146014;mircea_popescu;aty 822369;1410146021;justusranvier;Gentoo makes me sad sometimes. 822370;1410146025;*;asciilifeform did not know mircea_popescu is aficionado of gentoo 822371;1410146051;justusranvier;Sucks in many way, yet I can no longer use traditional binary distros, and don't have time to go back to Linux From Scratch 822372;1410146056;mircea_popescu;i diddle them all and love none asciilifeform 822373;1410146062;asciilifeform;!up diametric 822374;1410146071;diametric;i used to be a gentoo developer. 822375;1410146079;diametric;it went downhill after daniel robbins left to go to microsoft. 822376;1410146106;mircea_popescu;justusranvier actually some of the better pakcages compile clean and fast now 822377;1410146116;mircea_popescu;s/package/distro/ 822378;1410146122;diametric;people started making really bad decisions, specifically by making massive changes to portage that would break systems. 822379;1410146151;justusranvier;mircea_popescu: Yeah, I actually don't have many compilation/dependency problems any more, but it's not progressing very much as a distribution 822380;1410146162;asciilifeform;diametric: massive changes to portage that would break systems << aye. 822381;1410146173;*;asciilifeform wishes there was an alternative to gentoo, does not know of one 822382;1410146195;diametric;the closest i've come is archlinux. 822383;1410146199;*;asciilifeform still has not forgiven the x11 to xorg clusterfuck 822384;1410146199;Apocalyptic;^ 822385;1410146203;justusranvier;I wanted them to cater more to developers, and make it even easier to dogfood your own packages 822386;1410146207;Apocalyptic;diametric, was about to say that 822387;1410146232;diametric;the AUR system provides PKGBUILD files were are similar to ebuilds. 822388;1410146235;asciilifeform;archlinux << not source-based ! 822389;1410146254;justusranvier;I want Gentoo to ditch source tarballs entirely in favor of Git. It should be easy for a user to patch the source code of any package they run and have Portage handle merging changes from upstream 822390;1410146261;asciilifeform;has 'ports system' but as afterthought 822391;1410146265;mircea_popescu;what i don't like is the poor crypto use. 822392;1410146284;mircea_popescu;take asciilifeform's "mirror". well, is it a mirror or a mitmor ? how do i know ? 822393;1410146295;asciilifeform;who, outside of openbsd, has good crypto-discipline ? 822394;1410146302;mircea_popescu;and even there... 822395;1410146304;mircea_popescu;so, yeah. 822396;1410146314;*;asciilifeform verifies sigs by hand for critical items, grumbles 822397;1410146320;justusranvier;There should be no portage overlays 822398;1410146347;justusranvier;Your Portage tree should be in Git. If you want KDE packages in your Portage tree, then add the KDE team's repo and merge their branch into yours 822399;1410146349;mircea_popescu;justusranvier and what else, a fixed point so you can overturn teh earth ? 822400;1410146368;asciilifeform;distro without crypto-discipline entirely - should be assumed to be encrusted with teledildonic strange, like a japanese public toilet. 822401;1410146386;justusranvier;mircea_popescu: That too 822402;1410146451;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform so how many peeps are running "linux because it's safe and gentoo because it's so and so" except they got it off drevil.repo 822403;1410146462;asciilifeform;probably quite a few. 822404;1410146590;mircea_popescu;https://ceata.org/ << for the lulz. 822405;1410146591;assbot;Fundaia Ceata — Ceata elibereaz artele i tehnologiile actuale 822406;1410146595;mircea_popescu;Richard Stallman la Cluj, în turul echipelor locale ale FundaÈ›iei Ceata 822407;1410146599;mircea_popescu;Richard Stallman la Vâlcea, în turul echipelor locale ale FundaÈ›iei Ceata 822408;1410146605;mircea_popescu;Richard Stallman la ChiÈ™inău, în turul echipelor locale ale FundaÈ›iei Ceata 822409;1410146613;thestringpuller;!l m s.mpoe 822410;1410146613;assbot;Last trade for S.MPOE on MPEX was at 0.00076791 BTC [-] 822411;1410146623;thestringpuller;dat m-po po 822412;1410146626;mircea_popescu;etc. richard stallman @booth 4, rinkiding central. 822413;1410146660;asciilifeform;did he carry out his traditional routine of attempting to speak local language ? 822414;1410146762;mircea_popescu;i have nfi. 822415;1410146902;punkman;https://btc-e.com/exchange/btc_eur 822416;1410146937;punkman;check that out 822417;1410147121;mircea_popescu;no fucking wai it closed 822418;1410147146;mircea_popescu;punkman ok, what ? 822419;1410147169;TheNewDeal;wtf was going on there 822420;1410147185;Apocalyptic;mircea_popescu, some btc were sold for 3200 EUR each 822421;1410147187;TheNewDeal;low 360 high 3200 eur? 822422;1410147207;mircea_popescu;oh. hm. 822423;1410147240;mircea_popescu;Volume: 1788 BTC / 942115 EUR 822424;1410147248;mircea_popescu;;;calc 942115/1788 822425;1410147248;gribble;526.909955257 822426;1410147255;mircea_popescu;o.O 822427;1410147282;mircea_popescu;anyway, this is all for me. see you all on the other side. 822428;1410147374;TheNewDeal;still trading at 420 euro 822429;1410147375;TheNewDeal;amazing 822430;1410147375;assbot;AMAZING COMPANY! 822431;1410148105;ben_vulpes;;;ticker 822432;1410148107;gribble;Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 470.33, Best ask: 470.99, Bid-ask spread: 0.66000, Last trade: 471.0, 24 hour volume: 4719.96182203, 24 hour low: 466.0, 24 hour high: 483.0, 24 hour vwap: 475.57628363 822433;1410149572;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22300 @ 0.00077256 = 17.2281 BTC [+] 822434;1410150487;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20100 @ 0.00077136 = 15.5043 BTC [-] 822435;1410151097;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15400 @ 0.00077299 = 11.904 BTC [+] {2} 822436;1410151219;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26270 @ 0.00077028 = 20.2353 BTC [-] {3} 822437;1410151951;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2200 @ 0.0007686 = 1.6909 BTC [-] {2} 822438;1410152733;cazalla;!up tpt_toolbox 822439;1410155733;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28550 @ 0.00076908 = 21.9572 BTC [+] {2} 822440;1410156465;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9729 @ 0.00077312 = 7.5217 BTC [+] 822441;1410156643;ben_vulpes;http://prestonbyrne.com/2014/09/06/you-must-be-goddamned-kidding/ << annals of smart contract failure 822442;1410156644;assbot;Those who cannot remember last week are condemned to repeat it | Preston Byrne 822443;1410156770;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11064 @ 0.00077312 = 8.5538 BTC [+] 822444;1410157380;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2650 @ 0.0007732 = 2.049 BTC [+] {2} 822445;1410158051;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1500 @ 0.00077401 = 1.161 BTC [+] 822446;1410160857;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14957 @ 0.00077401 = 11.5769 BTC [+] 822447;1410165127;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25650 @ 0.0007765 = 19.9172 BTC [+] 822448;1410165188;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3481 @ 0.0007745 = 2.696 BTC [-] 822449;1410169580;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11777 @ 0.00077477 = 9.1245 BTC [+] {2} 822450;1410176582;assbot;CheckDavid +v failed; L1: 0, L2: 0 822451;1410176790;BingoBoingo;!up CheckDavid 822452;1410176834;CheckDavid;Thanks BingoBoingo 822453;1410176841;CheckDavid;No idea what happenes 822454;1410176856;CheckDavid;*happened 822455;1410176891;CheckDavid;Lost my wot level ? 822456;1410177197;BingoBoingo;? 822457;1410177754;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6577 @ 0.00077306 = 5.0844 BTC [-] 822458;1410177837;CheckDavid;BingoBoingo: I used to be able to voice 822459;1410177953;mircea_popescu;CheckDavid it happens 822460;1410178055;CheckDavid;Awe :( 822461;1410178058;CheckDavid;*aw 822462;1410178344;CheckDavid;I wanted to ask what you think about secureae.com 822463;1410178470;thestringpuller;;;gettrust assbot CheckDavid 822464;1410178471;gribble;Currently authenticated from hostmask CheckDavid!uid14990@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-zpqgextiikcqxjxg. Trust relationship from user assbot to user CheckDavid: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=assbot&dest=CheckDavid | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=CheckDavid | Rated since: never 822465;1410178481;thestringpuller;are you even in wot? 822466;1410178650;RagnarDanneskjol;re: secureae.com - please don't 822467;1410179454;Azelphur;;;ident CheckDavid 822468;1410179455;gribble;Nick 'CheckDavid', with hostmask 'CheckDavid!uid14990@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-zpqgextiikcqxjxg', is identified as user 'CheckDavid', with GPG key id None, key fingerprint None, and bitcoin address 1Mhu1uch32kgZstHpJNnbo61soPRXLQrDE 822469;1410179460;Azelphur;;;ratingsystem getrating CheckDavid 822470;1410179461;gribble;This user has not yet been rated. Currently authenticated from hostmask CheckDavid!uid14990@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-zpqgextiikcqxjxg . 822471;1410179478;Azelphur;CheckDavid: ^ guess that's why, someone might have unrated you 822472;1410179489;Azelphur;;;rate CheckDavid 1 Worked with him for a little while, seems like a nice guy. 822473;1410179490;gribble;Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user CheckDavid has been recorded. 822474;1410179706;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25900 @ 0.00077414 = 20.0502 BTC [+] 822475;1410179948;mircea_popescu;i had never heard of this secure whatevs 822476;1410181196;assbot;CheckDavid +v failed; L1: 0, L2: 0 822477;1410181414;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10950 @ 0.00077709 = 8.5091 BTC [+] {2} 822478;1410181661;ThickAsThieves;i do think US education is a major culprit (just read the Mike OCD article) 822479;1410181718;[]bot;Bet placed: 3 BTC for Yes on "BTC Difficulty over 31Bn before October" http://bitbet.us/bet/1028/ Odds: 92(Y):8(N) by coin, 89(Y):11(N) by weight. Total bet: 79.00227226 BTC. Current weight: 31,634. 822480;1410181740;ThickAsThieves;recall our conversation about schools beating into our heads "You can be anything if you really want it, President of the US even!" 822481;1410181830;BingoBoingo;!up CheckDavid 822482;1410181833;ThickAsThieves;now we have piles of ads convincing 30somethings to attend University of Phoenix 822483;1410181871;CheckDavid;Thanks Azelphur 822484;1410181881;CheckDavid;But I guess its still not enough to voice? 822485;1410181890;Azelphur;guess not 822486;1410181900;Azelphur;;;gettrust assbot checkdavid 822487;1410181900;gribble;Currently authenticated from hostmask CheckDavid!uid14990@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-zpqgextiikcqxjxg. Trust relationship from user assbot to user checkdavid: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=assbot&dest=checkdavid | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=checkdavid | Rated since: Mon Sep 8 08:31:15 2014 822488;1410181906;CheckDavid;Such hassle this wot thing lol 822489;1410181924;ThickAsThieves;another interesting phenomenon is US media hammering the concept of "eat fatty foods, not carbs" 822490;1410181974;RagnarDanneskjol;CheckDavid - http://trilema.com/2014/bitcoin-assets-m/ 822491;1410181975;assbot;#bitcoin-assets +m pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. 822492;1410182025;ThickAsThieves;started as diet fads like Atkins and Paleo, but now it just feels downright progandist 822493;1410182036;ThickAsThieves;propagandist* 822494;1410182066;chetty;is that about carbs or gluten? asciilifeform 822495;1410182112;RagnarDanneskjol;well, there is something to the fatty propagandizing - brains are mostly fat 822496;1410182147;ThickAsThieves;i think it's more to do with consumer manipulation 822497;1410182156;RagnarDanneskjol;sure, that too 822498;1410182281;ThickAsThieves;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z_Ph1zvw_xE 822499;1410182281;assbot;Air Castle blown away on beach (Katamari edit) - YouTube 822500;1410182305;chetty;I been curious for sure about the anti-gluten propagandising, havent heard the +fat much 822501;1410182329;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1550 @ 0.00077377 = 1.1993 BTC [-] {2} 822502;1410182545;ThickAsThieves;in my own estimation, the gluten thing is more of a phenomenon relating to health-enthusiasts fucking up their bodies and either exacerbating gluten intolerance, or misdiagnosing it as the problem, rather than the symptom 822503;1410182566;mircea_popescu;ThickAsThieves well, there are some advantages to fat over glucose. 822504;1410182571;ThickAsThieves;but i'm being a typical symbol-reading, word-menaing-guessing, god-worshipper in that 822505;1410182572;mircea_popescu;but it's not as simple as all that. 822506;1410182601;ThickAsThieves;(i dont worship god, just saying i'm wildly guessing) 822507;1410182608;mircea_popescu;nono, you said! 822508;1410182712;chetty;perhaps its god by some other names? like money? or earth or 822509;1410182762;BingoBoingo;The gluten thing is just because some members of the species don't have genetic compatibility with this "agriculture" thing yet... 822510;1410182775;RagnarDanneskjol;http://www.mayoclinic.org/healthy-living/nutrition-and-healthy-eating/in-depth/fat/art-20045550 822511;1410182775;assbot;Dietary fats: Know which types to choose - Mayo Clinic 822512;1410182872;ThickAsThieves;the media seem to make body weight the focus 822513;1410182891;ThickAsThieves;which is of course, appropriate on the surface 822514;1410182907;CheckDavid;Thanks RagnarDanneskjol 822515;1410182911;ThickAsThieves;US is fat as hell n all 822516;1410182986;nubbins`;exacerbating the gluten thing is the immense amount of refined sugars people consume in their bread/baked goods 822517;1410183000;nubbins`;oh, you had three honey croissants for breakfast? no fucking wonder you feel like shit 822518;1410183038;chetty;sweetened croissants should be illegal 822519;1410183059;nubbins`;"but they're so good" 822520;1410183091;chetty;ugh, I can not eat them, and they are the standard breakfast here :( 822521;1410183116;BingoBoingo;http://www.huhcorp.com/ 822522;1410183116;assbot;We do stuff. 822523;1410183171;nubbins`;i was reading an article recently about gluten actually 822524;1410183184;nubbins`;talked about these things called FODMAPS 822525;1410183225;nubbins`;"Instead, as RCS reported last week, FODMAPS are a far more likely cause of the gastrointestinal problems attributed to gluten intolerance." 822526;1410183264;nubbins`;"Coincidentally, some of the largest dietary sources of FODMAPs — specifically bread products — are removed when adopting a gluten-free diet" 822527;1410183341;nubbins`;protip: Budweiser beer is the only major-label brand available in Canada that does not contain gluten 822528;1410183351;chetty;I can't believe anybody still listens to the food police 822529;1410183355;*;nubbins` nods 822530;1410183364;nubbins`;i know several people who actually have celiac disease 822531;1410183383;nubbins`;if you don't have to ask "what brand of ketchup is this?" at the restaurant, you're not celiac 822532;1410183397;chetty;well thats different, its the nuts that dont have any actual reason .. 822533;1410183408;nubbins`;nod. there are so many 822534;1410183413;nubbins`;"i can't eat wheat" 822535;1410183416;nubbins`;bull fuckin shit 822536;1410183431;nubbins`;picking the croutons out of their salads 822537;1410183441;chetty;and then of course ask why celiac is much more common now than 50 years ago .. 822538;1410183461;nubbins`;shit modern diets, better detection? 8) 822539;1410183485;nubbins`;i kid 822540;1410183507;chetty;I saw a thing where they tested blood stored 50 years ago so its not better detection 822541;1410183527;nubbins`;lower standards for medical degrees ;D 822542;1410183535;nubbins`;honestly, i find it baffling the type of stuff people shove into their mouths 822543;1410183553;nubbins`;new roommate, younger fella. the only food he has in the house right now is pizza pops 822544;1410183577;chetty;I am NOT gonna ask wtf that is 822545;1410183609;kakobrekla;wait, no pizza tards? 822546;1410183615;nubbins`;oh, sorry, as i'm reading up on them, i realize it's canadian only 822547;1410183622;nubbins`;it's a pillsbury-brand pizza pocket 822548;1410183642;nubbins`;lotsa sodium benzoate, phenylalanine, all that good shit 822549;1410183673;nubbins`;the older i get, the more confused i get about humans and their determination to poison their bodies and the world around them as rapidly as possible 822550;1410183684;nubbins`;what's wrong with us? 822551;1410183711;BingoBoingo;nubbins`: phenylalanine in its levorotary form is actually nutritionally essential 822552;1410183715;chetty;were are all born with original sin :P 822553;1410183721;nubbins`;i know, i kid ;D 822554;1410183730;nubbins`;aspartame: not a neurotoxin 822555;1410183747;nubbins`;chetty: i was raised catholic, no need to tell me ;D 822556;1410183761;nubbins`;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FODMAP 822557;1410183761;assbot;FODMAP - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia 822558;1410183763;ThickAsThieves;well people like smoking too 822559;1410183777;ThickAsThieves;which has yet to show much health benefit 822560;1410183783;nubbins`;HEH 822561;1410183791;nubbins`;srsly, read the first paragraph of that FODMAPS article 822562;1410183798;xmj;ThickAsThieves: there are -some- rare health benefits to smoking. 822563;1410183802;nubbins`;and tell me if a slice of fuckin bread is the problem these people are having 822564;1410183832;ThickAsThieves;smoking helps you poop 822565;1410183837;ThickAsThieves;it has that at least 822566;1410183843;BingoBoingo;smoking prevents parkinsons 822567;1410183865;nubbins`;tat +1 822568;1410183871;chetty;I quit listening to the food police way back when they said grilled meat causes cancer 822569;1410183877;xmj;chetty: +++ 822570;1410183896;nubbins`;was interested to know galactose was a FODMAP 822571;1410183912;ThickAsThieves;i'm interested to know something is called galactose 822572;1410183912;nubbins`;pascale gave herself lactose intolerance from binge cheese eating :/ 822573;1410183917;ThickAsThieves;best sugar name ever 822574;1410183920;nubbins`;inorite?!?! 822575;1410183927;nubbins`;it's where lactose comes from :0 822576;1410183936;nubbins`;and galactus, destroyer of worlds 822577;1410183942;nubbins`;(batch) 822578;1410183944;ThickAsThieves;:) 822579;1410183944;nubbins`;*natch 822580;1410183963;nubbins`;anyway, interesting shit 822581;1410183974;nubbins`;she's taken to buying lactose-free cheese 822582;1410183984;ThickAsThieves;this conversation was so much more enjoyable without diablod3 822583;1410183989;nubbins`;they mix in the enzymes that digest latose during the manufacturing process 822584;1410184029;ThickAsThieves;there's a local vegan cheesemaker here that isnt bad 822585;1410184031;chetty;manufacturing cheese .... that just sounds wrong 822586;1410184080;ThickAsThieves;http://sunrawise.com/ 822587;1410184081;assbot;Home - SunRAWise 822588;1410184089;nubbins`;"Since lactose occurs mostly in milk, in most mammals, the production of lactase gradually decreases with maturity due to a lack of constant consumption." 822589;1410184115;nubbins`;^ fodder for the "humans weren't meant to eat dairy" crowd 822590;1410184140;nubbins`;of course we were 8) 822591;1410184415;jurov;;;ident smickles 822592;1410184415;gribble;Error: I am not seeing this user on IRC. If you want information about a registered gpg user, try the 'gpg info' command instead. 822593;1410184419;jurov;werd 822594;1410184428;jurov;!up smickles 822595;1410184444;jurov;;;gpg info smickles 822596;1410184444;gribble;User 'smickles', with keyid EA62D7CEB2450C3F, fingerprint 96ACCA7C3B09EC61B0A6D7F9EA62D7CEB2450C3F, and bitcoin address 12NjnZTVeTJ3g5C7BqfS2aQ2rLkmwiqVz6, registered on Mon Jun 20 15:24:35 2011, last authed on Mon Jun 9 16:01:44 2014. http://b-otc.com/vg?nick=smickles . Currently not authenticated. 822597;1410184556;mircea_popescu;http://trilema.com/2014/the-perfect-pitch/ this goes for asciilifeform RagnarDanneskjol jurov wao 822598;1410184558;assbot;The perfect pitch pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. 822599;1410184570;jurov;nanotube: ^^ smickles says he did auth 822600;1410184570;mircea_popescu;and of course anyone who likes to read, but the four are actually involved :D 822601;1410184679;nubbins`;http://imgur.com/a/CmDUI 822602;1410184679;assbot;Dads at One Direction concerts - Imgur 822603;1410184686;nubbins`;the face of sadness 822604;1410184806;nubbins`;it seems like whenever i visit trilema in chrome incognito mode, it resets my credits cookie 822605;1410184814;jurov;smickles refuses to auth in chan - warning, it's an impostor! 822606;1410184827;mircea_popescu;odd. 822607;1410184843;mircea_popescu;nubbins` kinda what incognito does no ? 822608;1410184891;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 10000 @ 0.00005483 = 0.5483 BTC [+] {3} 822609;1410184901;nubbins`;er well, i mean when i exit incognito mode and use a regular browser window again 822610;1410184952;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 10000 @ 0.00005488 = 0.5488 BTC [+] 822611;1410184953;nubbins`;i guess the incognito tab doesn't give up the existing cookie, site can't find it, sends one over... but i'm surprised that'd overwrite the existing cookie 822612;1410184979;mircea_popescu;i guess this is then a chrome bug actually. 822613;1410185001;mircea_popescu;it should session cookies or something 822614;1410185014;nubbins`;i'mma look into it further 822615;1410185015;mircea_popescu;there's probably some attack avenue against the incognito mode through this. 822616;1410185042;nubbins`;anything unusual about how trilema sets/fetches cookies? 822617;1410185179;mircea_popescu;not that i know of. 822618;1410185189;mircea_popescu;tis php. 822619;1410185279;RagnarDanneskjol;mircea_popescu - fascinating as always you human being!. think I'll need to read that twice at least and start learning some Rom 822620;1410185378;mircea_popescu;lol 822621;1410185510;nanotube;jurov: if he authed, then left the channel, he gets unauthed. 822622;1410185565;mircea_popescu;nanotube meanwhile it turns out someone was impostoring 822623;1410185570;mircea_popescu;tried to claim the system dun work. 822624;1410185625;jurov;just pasted me fake gribble output and insisted "this is proof im authed" 822625;1410185643;nubbins`;heh 822626;1410185649;nubbins`;classic -otc trick ;( 822627;1410185665;penguirker;New blog post: http://trilema.com/2014/the-perfect-pitch/ 822628;1410185665;nubbins`;scammers gonna scam 822629;1410185677;nubbins`;;;view 21372 822630;1410185679;gribble;#21372 Sun Aug 31 23:42:26 2014 nubbins` SELL 1.0 'What is Bitcoin?' silkscreened art print @ 45 USD (18x24", 5-color silkscreen on white Cougar acid-free paper, limited edition of 50 (only 8 left), shipping week of August 31, https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=756955.0) 822631;1410185702;nubbins`;^ actually only 3 left now; hoping to get all outstanding packages mailed today 822632;1410185718;mircea_popescu;cool beanz. 822633;1410185776;nanotube;heh ic 822634;1410185834;nubbins`;meantime, what sorta rates do your uni kids offer? i've been doing a bitta research myself, seems $1/poster (plus printing) is average for traditional postering crews in large cities 822635;1410185867;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29800 @ 0.00077245 = 23.019 BTC [-] {3} 822636;1410185959;mircea_popescu;i have no idea, ima ask teh person in charge. 822637;1410185991;nubbins`;kk 822638;1410186050;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 9725 @ 0.00005488 = 0.5337 BTC [+] 822639;1410187270;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24840 @ 0.000778 = 19.3255 BTC [+] {2} 822640;1410187331;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2019 @ 0.00077869 = 1.5722 BTC [+] 822641;1410188000;BingoBoingo;http://trilema.com/2014/the-perfect-pitch/#footnote_25_56335 << Beautiful, very true 822642;1410188002;assbot;The perfect pitch pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. 822643;1410188002;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10194 @ 0.00077173 = 7.867 BTC [-] {2} 822644;1410188063;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2918 @ 0.00077071 = 2.2489 BTC [-] 822645;1410188119;chetty;http://www.latimes.com/nation/la-na-banks-muslims-20140907-story.html#page=1 822646;1410188119;assbot;Bank clients of Middle Eastern descent want answers on closed accounts - LA Times 822647;1410188146;mircea_popescu;chetty o.i 822648;1410188155;mircea_popescu;it's becoming a sport by now huh 822649;1410188246;chetty;apparently 822650;1410188379;mircea_popescu;!up yona_ 822651;1410188381;BingoBoingo;I didn’t say that, did I ? << Amazing how saving something makes everyone think you favor it. 822652;1410188417;mircea_popescu;;;google billy mumphrey was a simple country boy 822653;1410188418;gribble;Seinfeld Scripts - The Doodle: ; Billy Mumphrey | The Seinfeld Dictionary: ; B | The Seinfeld Dictionary: 822654;1410188551;mod6;%tslb 822655;1410188553;atcbot;Time Since Last ATC Block: 0 hour(s), 18 minutes 822656;1410188606;mircea_popescu;that's a wonder. 822657;1410188609;nubbins`;i was walking through a parking lot last night and as i passed this tracksuit-wearing guy, he shouts "GO FUCK YOURSELF, YA SLUT" at his phone and then starts walking really closely behind me 822658;1410188630;RagnarDanneskjol;ahahaha 822659;1410188640;nubbins`;for like 2 blocks! 822660;1410188741;mircea_popescu;did it make you horny ? 822661;1410189261;assbot;Last 4 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/0QP4H1H.txt ) 822662;1410189261;BingoBoingo;!b 4 822663;1410189649;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20720 @ 0.00077051 = 15.965 BTC [-] {3} 822664;1410189883;nubbins`;unfortunately no 822665;1410190178;ThickAsThieves;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pF7HxLCFMeY&feature=youtu.be&t=8s :09 822666;1410190179;assbot;PayPal Voices - YouTube 822667;1410190207;ThickAsThieves;"we can spend bitcoin with a tap" 822668;1410190239;ThickAsThieves;"we have magic money" 822669;1410190388;Duffer1;if you play it backwards it says "kill your family" 822670;1410190418;ThickAsThieves;paypal be trollin 822671;1410190536;kakobrekla;and if you modulate it, you get "i am the great cornholio" 822672;1410190679;ThickAsThieves;get your D.BPAY while you can, before PayPal announces buyout! 822673;1410190769;nubbins`;heh 822674;1410190804;nubbins`;the enunciation is a little bit weird around that part 822675;1410190809;ThickAsThieves;indeed 822676;1410190816;ThickAsThieves;but the page looks legit 822677;1410190827;nubbins`;yeah, i can't think of anything else it'd be either 822678;1410191191;mircea_popescu;!t m d.bpay 822679;1410191191;assbot;Your actions are useless. 822680;1410191195;mircea_popescu;heh. 822681;1410191251;nubbins`;;;google we don't believe in anything 822682;1410191252;gribble;Kanye West & Jay Z (Ft. Frank Ocean) - No Church in the Wild ...: ; When Man Ceases to Worship God - The American Chesterton Society: ; Myth: Atheists Believe In Nothing: Don't Atheists Care About Anything?: 822683;1410191255;nubbins`;bah 822684;1410191281;nubbins`;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7AEMiz6rcxc 822685;1410191281;assbot;The Big Lebowski - Parking / Nihilists scene - YouTube 822686;1410191542;nubbins`;also: you can rent full movies on youtube now? wat? 822687;1410191545;nubbins`;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tgKhPObZeaw&src_vid=7AEMiz6rcxc&feature=iv&annotation_id=pfc%3A0 822688;1410191546;assbot;The Big Lebowski - YouTube 822689;1410192028;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] [PAID] 7.04942644 BTC to 1`149`988 shares, 613 satoshi per share 822690;1410192150;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9250 @ 0.00077294 = 7.1497 BTC [+] 822691;1410192272;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] [PAID] 1.40915124 BTC to 15`372 shares, 9167 satoshi per share 822692;1410192710;BingoBoingo;%d 822693;1410193304;BingoBoingo;;;ticker 822694;1410193305;gribble;Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 470.74, Best ask: 470.75, Bid-ask spread: 0.01000, Last trade: 470.74, 24 hour volume: 10125.52697634, 24 hour low: 456.3, 24 hour high: 480.99, 24 hour vwap: 467.950837666 822695;1410193632;BingoBoingo;%d 822696;1410193634;atcbot;[ATC Diff] Current Diff: 1878190.93 Est. Next Diff: 276459.33 in 1344 blocks (#46368) Est. % Change: -85.28 822697;1410194530;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 820 @ 0.00062192 = 0.51 BTC [-] {8} 822698;1410195694;nubbins`;http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/newfoundland-labrador/more-needs-to-be-done-to-prevent-moose-collisions-fire-chief-1.2758634 822699;1410195695;assbot;More needs to be done to prevent moose collisions: fire chief - Newfoundland & Labrador - CBC News 822700;1410195698;nubbins`;(graphic pic) 822701;1410196041;rithm;;;later tell mircea_popescu y u disturb my slumber 822702;1410196042;gribble;The operation succeeded. 822703;1410196131;punkman;http://www.kxii.com/home/headlines/GreenDot-to-discontinue-Moneypak-due-to-scams--274190441.html 822704;1410196138;punkman;teh lulz 822705;1410196897;nubbins`;!t h hif 822706;1410196898;assbot;[HAVELOCK:HIF] 1D: 0.00010290 / 0.0001029 / 0.00010290 (15 shares, 0.00154350 BTC), 7D: 0.00006400 / 8.524E-5 / 0.00010290 (1800 shares, 0.15343332 BTC), 30D: 0.00004757 / 6.809E-5 / 0.00010290 (16212 shares, 1.10386301 BTC) 822707;1410197155;nubbins`;punkman: do you want your poster rolled or flat-packed? 822708;1410198189;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25400 @ 0.00077239 = 19.6187 BTC [-] 822709;1410198642;thestringpuller;nubbins`: what is the timeline on the shirts? 822710;1410198743;nubbins`;we were aiming for them to be in your hands within 3 weeks of payment, so ~09/20-ish 822711;1410198877;thestringpuller;and the poster? 822712;1410199671;nubbins`;shipping today/tomorrow 822713;1410199958;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23300 @ 0.0007723 = 17.9946 BTC [-] {2} 822714;1410200751;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7950 @ 0.00077144 = 6.1329 BTC [-] 822715;1410201451;kakobrekla;who is managing s.mg on havelock ? 822716;1410201763;nubbins`;havelock is 822717;1410201775;nubbins`;tat gave it up back in feb 822718;1410201794;nubbins`;fun fact, it's actually running through a coinbr acct 822719;1410203235;thestringpuller;havelock is rogue as shit 822720;1410203235;thestringpuller;lol 822721;1410203557;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12900 @ 0.00077118 = 9.9482 BTC [-] {2} 822722;1410203740;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6536 @ 0.00077112 = 5.04 BTC [-] 822723;1410203801;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4650 @ 0.00076889 = 3.5753 BTC [-] {2} 822724;1410204030;nubbins`;hey, at least their HIF expenses are right on par 822725;1410204045;nubbins`;income is off by orders of magnitude, but you can't have it all 822726;1410204210;kakobrekla;on par with what 822727;1410204294;xmj;do you guys have an intro doc for working with gribble and assbot ? 822728;1410204307;kakobrekla;!help 822729;1410204307;assbot;http://wiki.bitcoin-assets.com/irc_bots 822730;1410204335;kakobrekla;prolly needs some updating but most is true 822731;1410204335;xmj;thx 822732;1410204366;xmj;im trying to nag the guy behind bettingblocks.com to join us 822733;1410204376;xmj;and he'll need that howto :-) 822734;1410204592;kakobrekla;then you need http://wiki.bitcoin-assets.com/first_steps_in_bitcoin-assets 822735;1410204592;assbot;first_steps_in_bitcoin-assets [bitcoin assets wiki] 822736;1410204695;xmj;forwarded, thx 822737;1410204777;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28574 @ 0.0007726 = 22.0763 BTC [+] {2} 822738;1410205221;xmj;!up Rangerk 822739;1410205228;Rangerk;thx 822740;1410205228;xmj;there we go :-) 822741;1410205265;xmj;everyone, rangerk. rangerk, everyone. ;-) 822742;1410205272;BingoBoingo;Hello 822743;1410205279;Rangerk;Hello 822744;1410205280;Rangerk;:) 822745;1410205291;Rangerk;Betting Blocks ---> 822746;1410205291;Rangerk;goo.gl/7hDBxm Bet on the miners of future bitcoin blocks. 822747;1410205292;xmj;fluffypony: Rangerk would be the one behind bettingblocks.com 822748;1410205335;fluffypony;oh sweet 822749;1410205341;fluffypony;very cool 822750;1410205351;Rangerk;Already > 0.1 Btc on block #319777 :) 822751;1410205373;Rangerk;betting closes in 4.5 hours 822752;1410205391;Rangerk;Feedback is very welcome. We just launched. 822753;1410205528;Rangerk;xmj -- tell me about bitcoin assets plz. 822754;1410205599;kakobrekla;;;topic 822755;1410205599;gribble;http://bitcoin-assets.com || http://log.bitcoin-assets.com || http://bash.bitcoin-assets.com || http://blogs.bitcoin-assets.com 822756;1410205762;xmj;Rangerk: ben_vulpes introduced me to this one given similar interests 822757;1410205830;Rangerk;Seems mircea_popescu is active on your blog. :) 822758;1410205921;Rangerk;Oh, this is MPEX. 822759;1410205928;Rangerk;Duh. 822760;1410206371;BingoBoingo;;;ticker --market all 822761;1410206379;gribble;Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 469.79, vol: 14485.98789274 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 471.646, vol: 5877.9332 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 472.01, vol: 16021.46251536 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 475.247718, vol: 14510.01560000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 488.76711, vol: 41.88066936 | Bitcoin-Central BTCUSD last: 482.55159, vol: 81.70229466 | Volume-weighted last average: 472.289189203 822762;1410206488;BingoBoingo;http://www.theverge.com/2014/9/8/6121363/reddit-is-a-failed-state 822763;1410206489;assbot;Reddit is a failed state | The Verge 822764;1410206607;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11321 @ 0.00076906 = 8.7065 BTC [-] {2} 822765;1410207537;mircea_popescu;Rangerk hm ? 822766;1410207600;mircea_popescu;rithm cuz what's the loan thing ? 822767;1410207616;mircea_popescu; teh lulz << quite. 822768;1410207801;kakobrekla;!up Rangerk 822769;1410207896;punkman;Rangerk, website was a bit unclear, if block ends up in Other, do I lose? 822770;1410208052;jurov;If the miner hasn't been determined by the above methods, we roll the prize money over into a future race as a cherry bonus. 822771;1410208054;jurov;• What happens if the miner is known, but wasn't one of the betting options? 822772;1410208055;jurov;Same thing. We roll the prize money over into a future race as a cherry bonus. 822773;1410208063;jurov;punkman ^ 822774;1410208128;mircea_popescu;isn't this kind-of vulnerable to miner collusion ? 822775;1410208144;mircea_popescu;i mean what's the advantage to rolling this dice as opposed to roling a proper, provably fair dice ? 822776;1410208254;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26300 @ 0.00077015 = 20.2549 BTC [+] {2} 822777;1410208281;mircea_popescu;CEO Yishan Wong finally addressed the controversy on Saturday by releasing a remarkably clueless manifesto. Reddit, he wrote, is "not just a company running a website where one can post links and discuss them, but the government of a new type of community." So, then, what type of government is Reddit? It's the kind any reasonable person would want to overthrow 822778;1410208294;mircea_popescu;ayup, pretty much lifted straight from mp pr. 822779;1410208344;jurov;lol how would the miners collude? if they could they already would... 822780;1410208362;mircea_popescu;course the verge is then taking it exactly the opposite way, but hey. 822781;1410208377;punkman;miner can bet after he finds the block, no? 822782;1410208387;mircea_popescu;jurov you realise this is purely declaratory ? i can publish blocks on any ip i want. 822783;1410208405;jurov;but it does not use IPs 822784;1410208407;mircea_popescu;so here, i found a block, you publish it and we split the pot. 822785;1410208417;mircea_popescu;that's collusion innit ? 822786;1410208427;punkman;why collude in this case 822787;1410208428;jurov;miner can sign the block with his signature 822788;1410208446;mircea_popescu;punkman the pot, i mean the betting pot. 822789;1410208447;jurov;it's not dependent on who publishes it 822790;1410208457;mircea_popescu;"here, sign this block i found" 822791;1410208461;mircea_popescu;"we split the pot" 822792;1410208468;punkman;mircea_popescu: yeah but why wouldn't the miner bet on himself 822793;1410208483;punkman;o never mind, got it 822794;1410208492;mircea_popescu;because the logical outcome is for all pool ops to contriburte some btc, all make the same bet on the same one guy 822795;1410208498;mircea_popescu;then give him the found blocks whoever finds them 822796;1410208518;mircea_popescu;but whether this attack is practical or not, or even theoretically feasible : 822797;1410208530;mircea_popescu;what is the advantage of a reimplementation of a dubious solution to a solved problem ? 822798;1410208532;jurov;if they can collude about mutually signing blocks, they can collude over much worse things 822799;1410208548;mircea_popescu;that's no defense. 822800;1410208653;jurov;okay, but since operator is not affected it's not a worry for him 822801;1410208699;jurov;like, the same can be said about bitbet's difficulty bets 822802;1410208705;jurov;and you don't give a fuck 822803;1410208715;mircea_popescu;how can the same be said ? 822804;1410208734;jurov;miners can collude for difficulty bet to come out a certai way 822805;1410208742;mircea_popescu;but then the difficulty would actually have to be that. 822806;1410208758;mircea_popescu;there's a difference between purely declaratory statements and actually measurable objective reality. 822807;1410208847;jurov;also, is there any miner to explain - is the signature part of work given to minions or it can be slapped on afterwards? 822808;1410208969;mircea_popescu;!up xe4l 822809;1410209282;jurov;apparently the pool is assigned using newly mined coins' address 822810;1410209294;jurov;which tx is part of merkle root 822811;1410209305;jurov;and thus hardwired once block is found 822812;1410209319;chetty;https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BxBIDdkCIAA1MtV.jpg:large -Phoenix no less 822813;1410209375;jurov;they would have to collude to divert newly minted coins to specific address beforehand 822814;1410209385;jurov;and everyone would see that 822815;1410209436;jurov;Rangerk you have no comment? 822816;1410209491;mircea_popescu;jurov if you can merge-mine for different chains, you can equally well merge-mine for alternative root addresses. 822817;1410209535;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2948 @ 0.00055069 = 1.6234 BTC [-] {25} 822818;1410209651;jurov;i don't get this. changing "root" address will help how? 822819;1410209666;chetty;http://govtslaves.info/mastercard-rolls-orwellian-national-id-card/ 822820;1410209667;assbot;MasterCard Rolls Out Orwellian National ID Card - 822821;1410209711;jurov;still we're at point some OCD miner notices he's getting from ghash.io work with root address destined for some other pool 822822;1410209722;BingoBoingo;!up Rangerk 822823;1410209810;mircea_popescu;chetty lol is this the us dept solution to nigerian scammers ? 822824;1410209828;jurov;so, i assert it is not "purely declaratory" but actual work the miners have to chew on 822825;1410209887;jurov;but.. i'm not miner and maybe i;m mistaken. that there is none in this channel makes me a bit sad. 822826;1410209922;chetty;miners are all on a beach somewhere 822827;1410209934;jurov;no theyre in closet 822828;1410209964;mircea_popescu;nobody mines anymoar (tm) 822829;1410209967;mircea_popescu;hey X-Rob you there ? 822830;1410209997;X-Rob;mircea_popescu: Indeed I am 822831;1410210011;mircea_popescu;so, could the pool ops so collude as described ? 822832;1410210284;*;X-Rob scrolls back 822833;1410210313;BingoBoingo;Scrolling up should be a sport 822834;1410210396;X-Rob;Ah. BettingBlocks.com? 822835;1410210400;*;X-Rob reads up on them 822836;1410210429;mircea_popescu;the contention is whether "Who found a block" has any substance to it past "we say so" 822837;1410210457;X-Rob;mircea_popescu: Well, that's an interesting question. Several pools mine to an explicitly well known address. 822838;1410210474;mircea_popescu;sure, but what of it. 822839;1410210476;X-Rob;so you can look at the block and know that, 100%, p2pool mined that block, for example 822840;1410210487;mircea_popescu;other than making people with a soft understanding of the protocol make wrong assumptions 822841;1410210499;mircea_popescu;well no, you don't actually know that. 822842;1410210510;X-Rob;However. There are a large number of pools where you can only guess. And 'because I say so' is about as much certainty as you're going to get. 822843;1410210559;X-Rob;mircea_popescu: Well, p2pool is a specific case, and I probably shouldn't have used it, because that's one of the ones you /can/ be 100% certain about. 822844;1410210571;mircea_popescu;ok, p2pool aside. 822845;1410210575;X-Rob;but that's only 1%-ish of the network 822846;1410210582;X-Rob;so, let's disregard that 822847;1410210585;X-Rob;and say.. eligius. 822848;1410210615;X-Rob;There are two things that you can 'know' about a block. The destination of its mined coins, and the coinbase. 822849;1410210651;X-Rob;Both of those together can give you a good indication of who mined the block. If the destination of the coins is to a known pool address, then that pool ended up with the coins. 822850;1410210674;mircea_popescu;but the fact that the pool ended up with the coins is no sort of prof the pool mined the block. 822851;1410210680;X-Rob;Wether or not they MINED the coins is a different question, but I can't see any advantage in pool C mining coins for pool B 822852;1410210688;mircea_popescu;it's prima facie evidence, and absent any actual economic incentive to lie it may stand as acceptable "proof" 822853;1410210696;mircea_popescu;given actual economic incentive to lie however, it's worthless. 822854;1410210701;BingoBoingo;Well, depends on how big the pot on the who mines block X bet gets 822855;1410210711;mircea_popescu;X-Rob well the advantage would be that they win a bet, get more btc. 822856;1410210723;X-Rob;This would only be an issue in a closed pool, however. 822857;1410210730;mircea_popescu;why ? 822858;1410210756;BingoBoingo;%p 822859;1410210757;X-Rob;Why would I hash privately and mine at pool C, whjen I can just hash at pool B to start with? 822860;1410210759;atcbot;No data returned from CoinMiner.net 822861;1410210759;atcbot;[PityThePool Hashrate]: 830.74 GH/s [iSpace Pool Hashrate]: 1.44 TH/s 822862;1410210761;BingoBoingo;%d 822863;1410210762;atcbot;[ATC Diff] Current Diff: 1878190.93 Est. Next Diff: 276948.13 in 1338 blocks (#46368) Est. % Change: -85.25 822864;1410210770;X-Rob;I'll earn my PPLNS, plus I'll win the bet. 822865;1410210773;mircea_popescu;and spare me with the "miners will know", there have been three times in history, including today and recently, pools which split their rewards across to pretend like they don't have 50% of the hash rate 822866;1410210775;X-Rob;which is more 822867;1410210776;mircea_popescu;and the miners never knew. 822868;1410210782;mircea_popescu;so no, they wouldn't "know" jack shit on a stick 822869;1410210794;assbot;Last 2 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/3TSZAK3.txt ) 822870;1410210794;BingoBoingo;!b 2 822871;1410210811;BingoBoingo;%t 822872;1410210813;atcbot;[X-BT] Bid: 205 Ask: 221 Last Price: 221 24h-Vol: 2k High: 221 Low: 221 VWAP: 221 822873;1410210826;BingoBoingo;%ob 822874;1410210828;atcbot;8k@260 2k@245 32k@221 | 12k@205 85k@198 6k@194 822875;1410210930;punkman;http://sourceforge.net/p/enigmail/forum/support/thread/3e7268a4/ "Still as a computer scientist I need an answer to which system I will teach in my class next week. Command-line PGP ?!?" 822876;1410210932;assbot;Enigmail / Forum / Enigmail Support:WARNING: Enigmail 1.7 *completely* *broken* 822877;1410210954;punkman;you were gonna teach them Enigmail? Fuck you. 822878;1410211045;BingoBoingo;Enigmail used to just work, but I dun trust the new "Ease of Use" update. 822879;1410211050;X-Rob;My idea is, if I had bet on pool B mining block, and I controlled access to hardware that would bias pool B to mine the block, why wouldn't I just mine at pool B? I would win the bet -and- I would earn whatever percentage of the block the hardware earned, which would probably be more than 25% of the block reward. 822880;1410211066;X-Rob;But, let's assume that the bet is massive. Say, a million USD. 822881;1410211079;mircea_popescu; you were gonna teach them Enigmail? Fuck you. <<< word. 822882;1410211084;X-Rob;A sum large enough to tempt even the most honest of pool operators. 822883;1410211086;mircea_popescu;yes command line pgp. who is this fuckwit. 822884;1410211115;mircea_popescu;X-Rob because you're not you. you're the pool op, who has to make a buck, and who is friends with the other pool ops. 822885;1410211129;X-Rob;There would be several options. The simplest would be to /still/ mine at Pool B with the hashrate of the other pools 822886;1410211156;X-Rob;But, woe, your hashrate didn't mine that block. p2pool got it. 822887;1410211171;X-Rob;You still have a massive percentage of the hashrate of the entire btc network. 822888;1410211176;X-Rob;Time to orphan blocks. 822889;1410211178;mircea_popescu;right. 822890;1410211198;X-Rob;So. 822891;1410211221;X-Rob;tl;dr: It's possible, but unlikely for less than say 50 * block reward 822892;1410211245;mircea_popescu;unless the method we describe in theory is actually implementable cheaper than we estimate, of course. 822893;1410211284;X-Rob;Everyone's a whore. It's just the price that varies. 822894;1410211344;mircea_popescu;nah, some girls do it for free. 822895;1410211351;X-Rob;I saw an amusing comment on reddit yesterday, on a photo of someone climbing a massive radio tower. They said 'You couldn't pay me enough to do that', and someone responded with '72.6 billion dollars. Per hour'. 822896;1410211371;X-Rob;So. Yes. Turns out you COULD pay him enough to do that. 822897;1410211439;mircea_popescu;lol k 822898;1410211460;X-Rob;But if I was to be offered say... 10* block reward to get block 1234 mined by pool B, I'd probably take that bet. 822899;1410211499;BingoBoingo;I think the price for a lot of pool ops would be 25.01 to 25.03 BTC 822900;1410211501;jurov;how many other pools you'd need to collude? 822901;1410211506;mircea_popescu;betting is an odds game. if you win 1% more than you lose, but you can rely on that 1%, you may cycle thousands of btc for a profit that well exceeds say coinbase's 822902;1410211557;BingoBoingo;!up Rangerk 822903;1410211570;mircea_popescu;so #eulora just succeeded in an infrastructure upgrade, taking crystal space from 38 something to 40 something. this is a major tech victory. 822904;1410211577;BingoBoingo;http://jabirproject.org/ << Iranian wtf distro team 822905;1410211577;assbot;Jabir Project | Jabir Technologies Official Blog 822906;1410211598;mircea_popescu;anyone know what fresias are ? 822907;1410211604;jurov;flowers 822908;1410211634;mircea_popescu;yup. so little kiosk downstairs has them, two dozen for 10 pesos. 822909;1410211638;X-Rob;BingoBoingo: The issue is not having the pool owner say 'Yes, I found block 1234', it's other people going 'Uh, actually, no, I found block 1234, here, it's addressed to me, here's me signing a transaction' 822910;1410211641;mircea_popescu;i just bought a bucket, came to about five bux 822911;1410211672;X-Rob;So you'd need to ACTUALLY have the pool find a block, or, as I said earlier, have pool C find the block for pool B, but that's economically foolish. 822912;1410211699;BingoBoingo;X-Rob: Right, but you have to realize how much a casino can came at 1 or 2 percent house edge over time. 822913;1410211749;X-Rob;BingoBoingo: I'm talking more about the technical issues of claiming a block 822914;1410211774;X-Rob;And lying about who found it. 822915;1410211890;jurov;i understood mp's situation as some pool owners mining together so that one of them will claim the blocks, and betting accordingly 822916;1410211912;BingoBoingo;X-Rob: Right, but if betting we are talking about a set of any particular blocks. 822917;1410211912;jurov;then, house will actually profit from the volume 822918;1410211920;X-Rob;jurov: That's... quite likely. 822919;1410211925;jurov;only the other bettors may have a problem 822920;1410211935;BingoBoingo;Both the house and pool operators could profit 822921;1410212003;BingoBoingo;This is a people problem and a trust problem. 822922;1410212036;jurov;the question is, can/will miners detect something untoward here? 822923;1410212052;X-Rob;Can they? Possibly. Will they? Amazingly unlikely. 822924;1410212114;X-Rob;There is a stratum command 'gettransactions' 822925;1410212117;mircea_popescu;yeah i wouldn't bet on that. 822926;1410212136;X-Rob;that your miner can use to ask for the list of transactions you're mining against, and check them against the merkle hash 822927;1410212153;X-Rob;However: It's only supported by eligius, as every other pool hates it. 822928;1410212178;X-Rob;And no-one has actually written anything useful for it. 822929;1410212215;BingoBoingo;X-Rob: Is this the Get block template thing? 822930;1410212230;X-Rob;GetBlockTemplate is /better/, and you have more control over it, as a miner, but honestly, statistically, no-one cares. 822931;1410212236;X-Rob;BingoBoingo: GBT is another protocol. 822932;1410212279;mircea_popescu;X-Rob and then, the "community" derps all about how bad it is that they're getting squeezed out by the large farms. 822933;1410212308;X-Rob;mircea_popescu: the problem is, it's not that people don't care, is that' they don't want to learn. They go 'magic internet money', and that's pretty much it. 822934;1410212333;mircea_popescu;right. which is why they SHOULD be squeezed out. 822935;1410212336;X-Rob;'I'm going to buy 10 S3's and set them up!' 822936;1410212338;mircea_popescu;no coutnry for lazy stupid men. 822937;1410212388;thestringpuller;is hanbot a bot? 822938;1410212408;hanbot;not bot. 822939;1410212408;mircea_popescu;only metaphorically. 822940;1410212439;jurov;thestringpuller this is her blog: http://thewhet.net/ 822941;1410212440;assbot;The Whet | a place for appetites 822942;1410212440;X-Rob;heh 822943;1410212443;BingoBoingo;Only a bot in the way MP routinely turns us all into bots 822944;1410212459;mircea_popescu;the blogbot! 822945;1410212463;jurov;i don't think bot can write this 822946;1410212479;thestringpuller;ah. da semall-a-scope! 822947;1410212489;thestringpuller;smell-a-scope* 822948;1410212518;jurov;;;smell thestringpuller 822949;1410212519;gribble;Error: "smell" is not a valid command. 822950;1410212527;hanbot;lol 822951;1410212541;X-Rob;+1 for futurama quote, thestringpuller 822952;1410212557;mircea_popescu;http://trilema.com/2010/viata-grea-a-blogerului-incepator/ << botbits. 822953;1410212559;assbot;Viata grea a blogerului incepator pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. 822954;1410212569;thestringpuller;good news everyone I have found a way to smell people on the internet 822955;1410212590;mircea_popescu;1. one drop acid on sugar cube ? 822956;1410212631;jurov;*acetic acid 822957;1410212666;X-Rob;So, taking a step back, and answering the big question 'what is stopping pool owners colluding to ensure pool B mines block 1234?' -- The answer is 'nothing'. And to expand on that, 'Nothing, and it's unlikely that someone would even notice, as long as the miners keep getting their pennies' 822958;1410212752;mircea_popescu;ty. ever been expert witness in legal proceedings before ? 822959;1410212829;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23650 @ 0.00076983 = 18.2065 BTC [-] {2} 822960;1410212843;X-Rob;Yeah, twice. I used to work in InfoSec at Cisco.au 822961;1410212849;thestringpuller;;;google law and order 822962;1410212850;gribble;Law & Order | NBC: ; Law & Order - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: ; Law & Order (TV Series 1990–2010) - IMDb: 822963;1410212852;thestringpuller;lol 822964;1410212873;mircea_popescu;cool beanz. 822965;1410213516;BingoBoingo;;;rated X-Rob 822966;1410213517;gribble;You have not yet rated user X-Rob 822967;1410213527;BingoBoingo;;;rate X-Rob 2 Mines, testifies 822968;1410213529;gribble;Rating entry successful. Your rating of 2 for user X-Rob has been recorded. 822969;1410213546;mircea_popescu;There was a young girl of Natchez who chanced to be born with two snatches.Now and again she'd say "Shit! I'd so give either tit for a man with equipment that matches." 822970;1410213622;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2876 @ 0.00077294 = 2.223 BTC [+] 822971;1410214110;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6314 @ 0.00077359 = 4.8844 BTC [+] 822972;1410214456;X-Rob;BingoBoingo: Thanks, but I'm actually 'xrobau' on gribble 8-) 822973;1410214457;X-Rob;;;ident 822974;1410214458;gribble;Nick 'X-Rob', with hostmask 'X-Rob!sid14615@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-sithgwmwidmkkdgh', is not identified. 822975;1410214463;X-Rob;oh, wups. 822976;1410214471;thestringpuller;:P 822977;1410214545;X-Rob;;;ident 822978;1410214545;gribble;CAUTION: irc nick differs from otc registered nick. Nick 'X-Rob', with hostmask 'X-Rob!sid14615@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-sithgwmwidmkkdgh', is identified as user 'xrobau', with GPG key id None, key fingerprint None, and bitcoin address 1F1pPNy6X86rUSKLqZAdsa7dSMoRy4KobG 822979;1410214551;X-Rob;yay 822980;1410215276;BingoBoingo;;;unrate X-Rob 822981;1410215277;gribble;Successfully removed your rating for X-Rob. 822982;1410215300;BingoBoingo;;;rated xrobau 822983;1410215300;gribble;You rated user xrobau on Sun Aug 17 20:38:19 2014, with a rating of 1, and supplied these additional notes: Going to point his hash, issues corrections. 822984;1410215312;BingoBoingo;Eh 822985;1410215456;X-Rob;My hash is pointy 822986;1410215492;BingoBoingo;What hash isn't 822987;1410215609;RagnarDanneskjol;the plot thickens: http://p2pfoundation.ning.com/forum/topics/bitcoin-open-source?commentId=2003008%3AComment%3A55276&xg_source=msg_com_forum 822988;1410215610;assbot;Bitcoin open source implementation of P2P currency - P2P Foundation 822989;1410215616;RagnarDanneskjol;bottom of page 822990;1410215709;mircea_popescu;herp. 822991;1410215751;mircea_popescu;who the fuck are these people. 822992;1410215752;mircea_popescu;"Thank you for this clarification Mr. Nakamoto. It has been an honor to be labeled by my friends as "Satoshi's Drunk Uncle" and it's a moniker I'll wear proudly until the day I retire from Crypto. The Goldcoin (GLD) developers truly admire your work and strive to continue improving upon its design as a tribute to your unparallelled genius. Your admirer and relative in spirit, MicroGuy." 822993;1410215754;mircea_popescu;really ? 822994;1410215812;mircea_popescu;With so many interested persons checking in here, I believe this would be a good time to again share Chris Cook's brief, simple and correct summation of the problem with bitcoin, from http://blablabla 822995;1410215817;mircea_popescu;sigh. 822996;1410215911;mircea_popescu;"we've got nothing but our desire to matter in spite of the void we stand for. and there's A LOT of us." 822997;1410215917;mircea_popescu;the internet is practically fucking gehenna. 822998;1410215938;RagnarDanneskjol;well, I was derpish enough to solicit him for recruitment. so I'm not much better than those creeps. I did get some very interesting encrypted respnses tho 822999;1410216003;mircea_popescu;are you the guy with "three weeks" ? 823000;1410216062;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1878 @ 0.00077359 = 1.4528 BTC [+] 823001;1410216063;RagnarDanneskjol;the only recruiter there. posted back in march 823002;1410216134;mircea_popescu;have dev spend a week checking out and streamlining trilema code, obtain clear results, various bottlenecks resolved, lots of optimisation that should result in about 30-40% less load. 823003;1410216146;mircea_popescu;watch the load on the server excitedly as it increase slightly over a week or two as a result. 823004;1410216150;mircea_popescu;because why the fuck not. 823005;1410216173;RagnarDanneskjol;ok 823006;1410216190;mircea_popescu;RagnarDanneskjol i was talking about myself :p 823007;1410216201;RagnarDanneskjol;ok 823008;1410216396;mircea_popescu;;;bc,stats 823009;1410216399;gribble;Current Blocks: 319757 | Current Difficulty: 2.7428630902257874E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 320543 | Next Difficulty In: 786 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 5 days, 4 hours, 6 minutes, and 18 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 29374054561.2 | Estimated Percent Change: 7.09268 823010;1410216724;BingoBoingo;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OXS8ljif9b8 823011;1410216724;assbot;Theo de Raadt (ruBSD 2013) - YouTube 823012;1410217333;BingoBoingo;Since Arizona is flooding http://www.azleg.state.az.us/FormatDocument.asp?inDoc=/ars/28/00910.htm&Title=28&DocType=ARS/ 823013;1410217336;assbot;Format Document 823014;1410217566;RagnarDanneskjol;https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=775174.0 823015;1410217566;assbot;satoshin@gmx.com is compromised 823016;1410217790;BingoBoingo;And this is why the "killer app" for GPG is signatures 823017;1410218149;cazalla;http://sourceforge.net/projects/bitcoin/ heh buttcoin 823018;1410218150;assbot;Bitcoin | SourceForge.net 823019;1410218252;Azelphur;hehe 823020;1410218546;BingoBoingo;I'll take it this implies Hal prolly was Satoshi after all. 823021;1410218739;BingoBoingo;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wGOPj53r1Fc 823022;1410218739;assbot;Henning Brauer (ruBSD 2013) - YouTube 823023;1410218829;X-Rob;;;genrate 1000000 823024;1410218830;gribble;The expected generation output, at 1000000.0 Mhps, given difficulty of 27428630902.3, is 0.0183350936553 BTC per day and 0.000763962235639 BTC per hour. 823025;1410218846;X-Rob;;;genrate 1000 823026;1410218847;gribble;The expected generation output, at 1000.0 Mhps, given difficulty of 27428630902.3, is 1.83350936553e-05 BTC per day and 7.63962235639e-07 BTC per hour. 823027;1410218847;X-Rob;even 823028;1410218857;X-Rob;bah, 823029;1410218859;X-Rob;;;genrate 10000 823030;1410218860;gribble;The expected generation output, at 10000.0 Mhps, given difficulty of 27428630902.3, is 0.000183350936553 BTC per day and 7.63962235639e-06 BTC per hour. 823031;1410218869;X-Rob;ok, so, 18. 823032;1410218982;BingoBoingo;;;tickler 823033;1410218982;gribble;Error: "tickler" is not a valid command. 823034;1410219025;BingoBoingo;Why no tickler? 823035;1410219153;BingoBoingo;!tickle fluffypony 823036;1410219211;mod6;<+mircea_popescu> so #eulora just succeeded in an infrastructure upgrade, taking crystal space from 38 something to 40 something. this is a major tech victory. << nice!! 823037;1410219743;penguirker;New blog post: http://www.bcoinnews.com/spondoolies-tech-sp-20-jackson-mining-home-returns/ 823038;1410219969;BingoBoingo;;;later tell jborkl No words outside of the metalanguage can accurately describe how much I want to de-shit your blog's look 823039;1410219970;gribble;The operation succeeded. 823040;1410220068;BingoBoingo;Also the satoshi email compromise in a wild speculative hypothesis hopefully is the death knell for any last gasps of third party authority on the matter of identity 823041;1410220572;BingoBoingo;http://sourceforge.net/p/bitcoin/mailman/bitcoin-security/ 823042;1410220574;assbot;Bitcoin / Mailing Lists 823043;1410220596;BingoBoingo;Oh, Satoshi hack day seems like such a splendid day 823044;1410221055;BingoBoingo;'This satoshi email hack simple means the Autum drama season has begun. 823045;1410221289;kakobrekla;Bitcoin is being illegalized by the Federal Reserve 2014. The DEA recently proposed a bill to Congress calling for its suspension and immediate criminalization due to the propagation of drug use. If you would like to depart with your Bitcoins legally and properly, please send this 0.01 Minimum we analyse them your balance in this moment to the following system Bitcoin address: BTC: 1sYSTEMQCbXykxa26a5h927WTZgvY7nzy we send your coins balan 823046;1410221290;kakobrekla;for you after 5 hours we guarantee It is recommended that this course of action be taken immediately. Thank you. Jack Lew Secretary of the Treasury Bitcoin address: Special System BTC: 1sYSTEMQCbXykxa26a5h927WTZgvY7nzy 823047;1410221298;kakobrekla;fyi. 823048;1410221333;asciilifeform;lol! 823049;1410221441;justusranvier;Why is gmaxwell so interested in making bitcoin-security private again? What's in those 240 emails they don't want anyone to seel? 823050;1410221481;BingoBoingo;Excellent question justusranvier 823051;1410221495;BingoBoingo;Better US treasury exit address: 1LvCuntsJyFFQsLuJhBXBPokbQa7SAyMr4 823052;1410222040;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16950 @ 0.00077468 = 13.1308 BTC [+] {3} 823053;1410222381;*;asciilifeform doesn't grasp why the supposed satoshi thing is exciting 823054;1410222397;asciilifeform;no evidence that, e.g., loch ness monster. 823055;1410222562;kakobrekla;same reason yellow press is still around. 823056;1410222799;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: Because if 500 wanna be satoshi trolls control satoshi email, but not keys. Myth-Man becomes Myth 823057;1410222864;thestringpuller;lol scammers be scammin 823058;1410223074;justusranvier;Maybe the reason they are unhappy about bitcoin-security being public is because it reveals there's an unfixed memory leak in bitcoind right now. 823059;1410223172;asciilifeform;reason... unfixed << or this - http://pastebin.com/CZ61FQY4 823060;1410223172;assbot;pieceofshit - Pastebin.com 823061;1410223206;asciilifeform;!s msghand 823062;1410223207;assbot;1 results for 'msghand' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=msghand 823063;1410223226;BingoBoingo;%t 823064;1410223228;atcbot;[X-BT] Bid: 205 Ask: 221 Last Price: 221 24h-Vol: 0k High: 221 Low: 221 VWAP: 221 823065;1410223249;BingoBoingo;You'd think this news would get people diversifying into Altcoin 823066;1410223420;asciilifeform;of all the things that have been written about 'satoshi' - not one is simultaneously interesting and provable. 823067;1410223439;BingoBoingo;Indeed 823068;1410223653;artifexd;!s satoshi compromised 823069;1410223653;assbot;2 results for 'satoshi compromised' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=satoshi+compromised 823070;1410224304;mircea_popescu; Maybe the reason they are unhappy about bitcoin-security being public is because it reveals there's an unfixed memory leak in bitcoind right now. << this needed like revealing and anything 823071;1410224315;mircea_popescu;why, because literally nobody runs the code anymore or what 823072;1410224334;BingoBoingo;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6WgOWrT1yyI 823073;1410224335;assbot;Mum Tries Out TempleOS 1.06 (2013) - YouTube 823074;1410224420;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22307 @ 0.00077334 = 17.2509 BTC [-] {2} 823075;1410224569;justusranvier;I still run bitcoind because it's the only way to make Armory work. 823076;1410224580;justusranvier;I keep it heavily sandboxed into a virtual machine though 823077;1410224651;X-Rob;mircea_popescu: btw, thank you. 823078;1410224681;*;mircea_popescu tips hat 823079;1410224715;mircea_popescu;dude look at a google page if you search bitcoin mining 823080;1410224775;mircea_popescu;hashop.io bitcoinaffiliatenetwork.com megamine.com groupbitcoin.com usbminers.nl best-miner.com ehsminer.com mining-asics-technologies.com 823081;1410224808;BingoBoingo;Electrum seems to do most of the Armory stuff without the part where it is such obvious shit. 823082;1410224809;mircea_popescu;all these schmucks have fiat to spend on outbidding each other on google ? and lemme guess, they're all first best largest ? 823083;1410224879;justusranvier;BingoBoingo: Electrum's GUI for offline transaction signing sucks, and by default it uses other people's Electrum servers which means you have no privacy. 823084;1410224908;BingoBoingo;justusranvier: But a private electrum server is so easy, and less disk space than Armory 823085;1410224911;mircea_popescu;mostly "hosted bitcoin mining", ie, buy a dumb bitcoin short. 823086;1410224933;BingoBoingo;justusranvier: Also Electrum has such powerful console 823087;1410224964;BingoBoingo;https://twitter.com/petertoddbtc/status/509145414008725504 823088;1410224965;assbot;Interesting, got another forwarded email from "satoshi", from 2011 - indicates this was a hijacked account, not expired and re-registered. 823089;1410224967;justusranvier;BingoBoingo: Don't care about disk space. I'll switch cold storage clients once btcgui (from btcd) is out of alpha 823090;1410224982;mircea_popescu;look at that, #bitaffnet 823091;1410225126;BingoBoingo;justusranvier: Disk space in many cases is a stupid worry, but... Who knows how it will be in 5 years 823092;1410225160;justusranvier;I won't be using bitcoind/Armory in 5 years 823093;1410225204;BingoBoingo;Eh, in 5 years I might be wetware 823094;1410225229;mircea_popescu;i've been using the same wordpress for trilema for 6 years now. 823095;1410225243;mircea_popescu;i have boxes still running the same shit a decade later. 823096;1410225255;mircea_popescu;software that's worth changing ain't worth running in the first place. 823097;1410225308;BingoBoingo;I'm still looking for the right old WordPress version to chop on 823098;1410225335;mircea_popescu;2.something, prolly. 823099;1410225391;BingoBoingo;Yeah, I'm narrowing down to 1.8.x to 3.0.x 823100;1410225458;mircea_popescu;http://dpaste.com/206JR1H << check out this wonder, kid wants to mine, his miner is software. 823101;1410225459;assbot;dpaste: 206JR1H 823102;1410225532;mircea_popescu;you're gonna troll them now aren't you. 823103;1410225540;BingoBoingo;Mebbe 823104;1410225649;mircea_popescu;kay well, enough excitement for one day. laters. 823105;1410225842;TheNewDeal;;;nethash 823106;1410225843;gribble;215156605.763 823107;1410225921;BingoBoingo;%d 823108;1410225922;atcbot;[ATC Diff] Current Diff: 1878190.93 Est. Next Diff: 276685.59 in 1334 blocks (#46368) Est. % Change: -85.27 823109;1410226144;BingoBoingo;!up strtp`fndr 823110;1410226178;strtp`fndr;thanks, BingoBoingo (nothing to say). 823111;1410226879;BingoBoingo;Problems of using Plaster and spittle as structural materials http://deadspin.com/ray-lewis-theres-no-comparison-between-me-and-ray-ric-1632161715 << because remember, Ray Lewis Kills 823112;1410226880;assbot;Ray Lewis: "There's No Comparison Between Me And Ray Rice" 823113;1410226946;penguirker;New blog post: http://www.bcoinnews.com/will-take-home-1btcxe-trading-challenge-prize/ 823114;1410228492;TheNewDeal;has any numbnut admitted fault to the btc/eur fiasco on btce last night? 823115;1410230350;thestringpuller;;;ticker 823116;1410230752;gribble;Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 462.77, Best ask: 464.27, Bid-ask spread: 1.50000, Last trade: 464.28, 24 hour volume: 13262.21280878, 24 hour low: 456.3, 24 hour high: 478.39, 24 hour vwap: 468.219193838 823117;1410231129;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 7 @ 0.18397142 = 1.2878 BTC [+] {3} 823118;1410231141;TheNewDeal;!up ausbitbank 823119;1410231144;TheNewDeal;lets see how this goes 823120;1410231190;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.1882997 = 0.5649 BTC [+] {3} 823121;1410231285;Duffer1;ni hao 823122;1410231325;asciilifeform;ling-ch'ih. 823123;1410232158;kakobrekla;to prospective advertisers/spammers, one can no longer buy van ad on bitbet. we are back to classic rotator. 823124;1410232175;BingoBoingo;Ah 823125;1410232219;kakobrekla;talk to ben for refunds :) 823126;1410232259;BingoBoingo;!up maclane 823127;1410232270;BingoBoingo;:( 823128;1410232286;kakobrekla;hey, nothing i can do. 823129;1410232297;TheNewDeal;lol what? 823130;1410232307;TheNewDeal;how can you claim that you can do nothing? 823131;1410232310;TheNewDeal;don't you own the site? 823132;1410232314;BingoBoingo;What did the fox quit? 823133;1410232339;BingoBoingo;http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jofNR_WkoCE 823134;1410232339;assbot;Ylvis - The Fox (What Does The Fox Say?) [Official music video HD] - YouTube 823135;1410232476;kakobrekla;BingoBoingo thats the word. 823136;1410232558;maclane;hey BingoBoingo! Good to be here 823137;1410232558;BingoBoingo;Hello maclane, how are the Nakatomi TOwers? 823138;1410232559;BingoBoingo;kakobrekla: Indeed. I'v always heard the song as what the fuck's sake. 823139;1410232577;TheNewDeal;kako, how long does it take your mods to review a bet? 823140;1410232578;maclane;hard, very hard. ppl died 823141;1410232594;BingoBoingo;Damn maclane 823142;1410232620;kakobrekla;TheNewDeal see backlog and estimate 823143;1410232648;TheNewDeal;whereabouts? 823144;1410232655;kakobrekla;http://bitbet.us/propositions/ 823145;1410232655;assbot;BitBet Propositions 823146;1410232671;TheNewDeal;well I knew that 823147;1410232675;TheNewDeal;where's the estimate? 823148;1410232697;kakobrekla;make one? 823149;1410232704;TheNewDeal;gotcha 823150;1410233836;BingoBoingo;!up Luke-Jr 823151;1410234428;BingoBoingo;!up jespern 823152;1410234434;BingoBoingo;Hello jespern 823153;1410234497;TheNewDeal;do you know these folks? or just in an uppity mood? 823154;1410234547;BingoBoingo;Uppity mood 823155;1410234561;BingoBoingo;Job interview Wednesday 823156;1410234625;BingoBoingo;So flexing the lordship nao 823157;1410234625;jespern;hi BingoBoingo 823158;1410234625;BingoBoingo;Hello jespern 823159;1410234625;BingoBoingo;Whachu sellin? 823160;1410234645;jespern;not selling. 823161;1410234645;BingoBoingo;Ah, lurkin? 823162;1410234645;jespern;something like that. :) 823163;1410234728;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3927 @ 0.0007729 = 3.0352 BTC [-] {2} 823164;1410234737;BingoBoingo;;;ticker --market all 823165;1410234744;gribble;Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 467.37, vol: 13199.57056086 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 467.6, vol: 4753.48444 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 466.5, vol: 13596.18081924 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 470.41637, vol: 16642.41990000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 488.76711, vol: 41.13743715 | Bitcoin-Central BTCUSD last: 482.8125, vol: 62.18825337 | Volume-weighted last average: 468.235600441 823166;1410234967;TheNewDeal;!up mthreat 823167;1410236962;TheNewDeal;!up vexual 823168;1410237078;Vexual;hi 823169;1410237684;BingoBoingo;Vexual: Did Big Bird really try to make you a trophy? 823170;1410237778;Vexual;yeah 823171;1410237794;Vexual;i blame juliani 823172;1410237794;ben_vulpes;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OydK91JjFOw 823173;1410237794;assbot;FKA twigs - Papi Pacify - YouTube 823174;1410237884;ben_vulpes; to prospective advertisers/spammers, one can no longer buy van ad on bitbet. we are back to classic rotator. << toll the bell 823175;1410237980;Duffer1;mmm twigs 823176;1410237989;Duffer1;love that song ben_vulpes 823177;1410238149;ben_vulpes;;;isitdown tumblr.com 823178;1410238150;gribble;tumblr.com is up 823179;1410238375;ben_vulpes;liar 823180;1410238454;BingoBoingo;;;isitdown vanads.com 823181;1410238455;gribble;vanads.com is up 823182;1410238460;BingoBoingo;0.o 823183;1410238823;BingoBoingo;!up Vexual 823184;1410238859;Vexual;whats this paypal thing? 823185;1410238937;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 15776 @ 0.00005105 = 0.8054 BTC [-] {7} 823186;1410238962;BingoBoingo;It's the thing the late moneypacks go into 823187;1410238975;xmj;good morning 823188;1410238986;mod6;$proxies 823189;1410238986;empyex;mod6: Proxies: mpex.ws mpex.bz mpex.co mpex.biz mpex.coinbr.com Current MPEx GPG-Key-ID: 02DD2D91 823190;1410239051;*;mod6 scratches head 823191;1410239090;mod6;nm 823192;1410239167;empyex;mod6: MPEx-Status: mpex.ws (error), mpex.bz (error), mpex.co (error), mpex.biz (error), mpex.coinbr.com (926 milliseconds) 823193;1410239194;mod6;o.O 823194;1410239259;mod6;hmm. works through tor. 823195;1410239951;Vexual;does anyone still fly those 'suicide' choppers that consist of a chair and motorcycle engine ? ; Teenager bitten by inland taipan in Hunter Valley | The Australian: ; Snake-bite victim could have been (1 more message) 823202;1410242051;ben_vulpes;mod6: what's vol? 823203;1410242054;ben_vulpes;$proxies 823204;1410242096;empyex;ben_vulpes: Proxies: mpex.ws mpex.bz mpex.co mpex.biz mpex.coinbr.com Current MPEx GPG-Key-ID: 02DD2D91 823205;1410242111;empyex;ben_vulpes: MPEx-Status: mpex.ws (939 milliseconds), mpex.bz (894 milliseconds), mpex.co (840 milliseconds), mpex.biz (1042 milliseconds), mpex.coinbr.com (911 milliseconds) 823206;1410242111;xmj;hey ben_vulpes 823207;1410242111;ben_vulpes;yessss? 823208;1410242111;xmj;ben_vulpes: how's tricks? 823209;1410242177;ben_vulpes;too busy for my own good 823210;1410242183;xmj;ahah 823211;1410242276;ben_vulpes;so busy i couldn't put enough time into van to make it work 823212;1410242276;ben_vulpes;and yourself xmj? 823213;1410242313;xmj;doing good 823214;1410242355;xmj;still recovering from a month of travelling, apparently 823215;1410247283;fluffypony;xmj: around? 823216;1410247324;xmj;fluffypony: yo 823217;1410247355;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17930 @ 0.00077193 = 13.8407 BTC [-] {2} 823218;1410247376;fluffypony;xmj: if I have an app that already uses Clang over gcc on OS X then it should be able to use Clang on FreeBSD out the box, no? 823219;1410247406;xmj;theoretically yes, what app are you talking about? 823220;1410247416;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25125 @ 0.00076689 = 19.2681 BTC [-] {2} 823221;1410247423;fluffypony;http://github.com/monero-project/bitmonero 823222;1410247424;assbot;monero-project/bitmonero GitHub 823223;1410247439;fluffypony;I've just finished installing cmake from ports, so I think I have all the deps 823224;1410247444;fluffypony;going to try compile and see what explodes 823225;1410247468;xmj;fluffypony: lemme know once you have it running 823226;1410247483;xmj;fluffypony: if you hand me a list of dependencies i can cook it into a port. also why are you using freebsd ;) 823227;1410247570;fluffypony;xmj: I want compatability with fbsd from now and in a way that doesn't require a ports maintainer to patch stuff 823228;1410247579;fluffypony;so that in future we can just maintain that compatability 823229;1410247583;fluffypony;instead of having to work backwards 823230;1410247591;xmj;well that's neat 823231;1410247620;xmj;do you already have someone who might be able to maintain that port? 823232;1410247639;fluffypony;we already maintain the Windows / *nix / OS X compatability, so this is just adding to it 823233;1410247648;fluffypony;but not maintaining a port in the ports tree, no 823234;1410247653;fluffypony;that you can definitely doa 823235;1410247654;fluffypony;*do 823236;1410247660;xmj;oh, but i want to recruit new folks 823237;1410247680;RagnarDanneskjol;i can help 823238;1410247684;fluffypony;well in that case can we host the port on our repo or how does it work? 823239;1410247692;xmj;no no 823240;1410247700;fluffypony;teach me your ways 823241;1410247711;xmj;fluffypony: you guys host the software somewhere, e.g. on github or sourceforge or whatever 823242;1410247720;fluffypony;*ticks box* 823243;1410247737;xmj;someone (let's call him "new guy") maintains the port for it, you know, Makefile, pkg-descr, pkg-plist and distinfo 823244;1410247759;xmj;every time a new release comes out he updates Makefile and distinfo with the new stuff, and checks that things still run. 823245;1410247774;fluffypony;ok so kinda like the guy that maintains the Homebrew tap for us - https://github.com/sammy007/homebrew-cryptonight/blob/master/bitmonero.rb 823246;1410247774;assbot;homebrew-cryptonight/bitmonero.rb at master sammy007/homebrew-cryptonight GitHub 823247;1410247784;xmj;then sends a PR (problem report) to bugzilla with a patch attached, and someone like me comes, takes that patch, commits it to ports and all are happy 823248;1410247802;xmj;fluffypony: bingo 823249;1410247829;xmj;fluffypony: case in point, it's always awesome to get new people contributing, so if you know someone (else) who'd like to do that 823250;1410247838;xmj;nag him to take maintainership. 823251;1410247856;fluffypony;oh no, I don't have boost...building boost is going to take a few hours 823252;1410247858;fluffypony;lol 823253;1410247861;xmj;lol 823254;1410247875;xmj;fluffypony: you can install it with pkgng 823255;1410247881;fluffypony;xmj: in that case can't we maintain it ourselves? 823256;1410247895;xmj;well, sure! 823257;1410247932;fluffypony;ok - a bit later once I've gotten this working or exploding I'll ping you and we can figure out from there 823258;1410247933;xmj;i figured you'd a) be too lazy to do that yourself and b) have someone else using freebsd you could nag into doing that 823259;1410247940;xmj;awesome 823260;1410247976;*;xmj goes compile webkit-gtk3 823261;1410247984;xmj;see you in a few days.. ;) 823262;1410247991;fluffypony;lol 823263;1410250219;kakobrekla;ben_vulpes was i not suppose to? 823264;1410250787;trixisowned;http://youtu.be/eG5d6X-dLhM#t=2m49s 823265;1410250787;assbot;ANGEL TEACHING HER GRAPEFRUIT TECHNIQUE - YouTube 823266;1410251661;Duffer1;omg lol i'm having a conversation with that vid in the background then all of a sudden 2:50 o.O 823267;1410251693;RagnarDanneskjol;that is wrong in so many ways. that noise will haunt me 823268;1410251784;cazalla;sounds like bullshit but im willing to try, brb shops 823269;1410252296;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 73328 @ 0.00077556 = 56.8703 BTC [+] {2} 823270;1410252500;punkman;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4LUOY-v-bn8 823271;1410252500;assbot;Penis Dating - YouTube 823272;1410252544;xmj;fluffypony: you've got quite some code churn in that repo 823273;1410252546;xmj;not bad :-0 823274;1410252585;fluffypony;you should check the development branch, way more going on there :-p 823275;1410252680;xmj;details.. ;) 823276;1410252694;xmj;why is monero more awesome than everything else? 823277;1410252872;fluffypony;well the privacy stuff is obviously quite cool 823278;1410252925;fluffypony;and the stealth addresses are made up of two keys, a view and a spend key 823279;1410252949;fluffypony;so you can offload your transaction processing by revealing your view key whilst still retaining control of your funds through your spend key 823280;1410253011;fluffypony;and ring signatures (group signatures) on inputs on tx's makes transactions on the blockchain unlinkable, since an observer can never know whether a utxo has actually been spent or is merely included as part of a ring signature 823281;1410253046;fluffypony;which leads to neat spin-off projects like this: https://github.com/monero-project/urs/ 823282;1410253047;assbot;monero-project/urs GitHub 823283;1410253077;fluffypony;more details about that here: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=768499.0;all 823284;1410253077;assbot;Unique Ring Signatures using secp256k1 keys 823285;1410254581;jurov;http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/2frou7/psa_if_you_are_invested_or_gambling_at/ 823286;1410254582;assbot;[PSA] if you are invested or gambling at dicebitco.in, please login and divest/withdraw asap! confirmed scam to players and investors : Bitcoin 823287;1410254903;kakobrekla;lolk 823288;1410255073;RagnarDanneskjol;http://www.diva-portal.org/smash/record.jsf?pid=diva2:742882 823289;1410255117;RagnarDanneskjol;[A comparison between Bitcoin and other assets using an intraday Value at Risk approach] 823290;1410255852;cazalla;jurov, such a shame, i like that dice site 823291;1410255857;mircea_popescu;so buenos aires is completely fucking flooded 823292;1410255876;cazalla;strange, so is melbourne 823293;1410255904;cazalla;we had hail as well, my sugar snap peas are fucked 823294;1410255921;mircea_popescu;yup it started raining with nightfall, then it hailed for like an hour 823295;1410255928;mircea_popescu;by now the sidewalk is under a river 823296;1410256157;mircea_popescu;kakobrekla "When did BitBet started?" rly ? anyway, he can come here and ask w/e. but otherwise no. 823297;1410256174;assbot;yona__ +v failed; L1: 0, L2: 0 823298;1410256205;RagnarDanneskjol;!up yona__ 823299;1410256245;mircea_popescu;who's yona__ 823300;1410256268;yona__;well, here from bitcoin emBassy in Tel Aviv 823301;1410256277;RagnarDanneskjol;dunno, someone who wanted voice apparently 823302;1410256302;kakobrekla;mircea_popescu ur no fun. i sent him this way. 823303;1410256333;mircea_popescu;no but i mean, zero effort fuckwits. "do my job for me please, what is the difference between bitbet and "other brands" ? 823304;1410256339;mircea_popescu;what the fuck other brands for crying out loud. 823305;1410256355;mircea_popescu;yona__ a hi. how's tel aviv ? 823306;1410256444;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4600 @ 0.00077442 = 3.5623 BTC [-] 823307;1410257401;punkman;https://twitter.com/Gotham3/status/508933188266098688/photo/1 823308;1410257402;assbot;Abandoned Supersonic TU-144 in a Russian backyard. http://t.co/YP88qYyJD5 823309;1410257463;mircea_popescu;punkman it's prolly a strip club 823310;1410257506;punkman;sounds fun 823311;1410257651;yona__;well, Tel Aviv is humid, but it seems to bode well for bitcoin 823312;1410257680;punkman;what does the embassy do? 823313;1410257711;yona__;www.bitembassy.org 823314;1410257736;yona__;we are an open source non for profit community hub 823315;1410257759;punkman;server not found? 823316;1410257786;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 6 @ 0.1868165 = 1.1209 BTC [-] {3} 823317;1410257852;yona__;it's like IRC but in real world :) 823318;1410257901;mircea_popescu;uh. 823319;1410257910;RagnarDanneskjol;what is this phrase "not for profit". what is the alternative 823320;1410257914;mircea_popescu;i wonder why people think there's some sort of dichotomy between irc and irl. 823321;1410257941;punkman;mircea_popescu: but gribble can't make coffee yet 823322;1410257972;mircea_popescu;punkman so ? the next step is for the girlfriend at work to claim she's fucking you irl while the wife is somehow virtual, because you interact with her mostly through postits and phone calls. 823323;1410257997;mircea_popescu;o look, pos-tits! who knew. 823324;1410258047;mircea_popescu;!up yona__ 823325;1410258051;RagnarDanneskjol;!up yona__ 823326;1410258087;punkman;yona__: so describe a good day in the embassy 823327;1410258151;punkman;do people trade? work on altcoins? just sit around drinking coffee and derping about bitcoin? 823328;1410258208;mircea_popescu;it's not with people, it's in the real world. 823329;1410258294;mircea_popescu;you know, they don't make these diplomats of the same substance they used to. 823330;1410258304;RagnarDanneskjol;ahaha 823331;1410258305;punkman;myeah 823332;1410258422;mircea_popescu;im kinda surprised nobody's trying more productive paths of insanity. why claim to be whatever, the bitcoin chamber of commerce ? 823333;1410258429;mircea_popescu;why not claim you're the empress of jormania or something 823334;1410258448;mircea_popescu;the real niece of grace kelly, whatever. 823335;1410258515;mircea_popescu;i guess these known affectations are overpopulated and so don't hold as much perceived cachet,. huh. random tramp invited for her tits and drunken antics at some party wouldn't get away with claiming she's the real niece of napoleon's first wife quite as well. 823336;1410258536;punkman;https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BxChMibIYAAlkvU.jpg 823337;1410258541;mircea_popescu;hm. actually, the fuck she wouldn't. of course she wouild, nobody cares *what* she claims. 823338;1410258549;xmj;mircea_popescu: if she has nice tits.. 823339;1410258557;xmj;exactly, nobody cares 823340;1410258562;mircea_popescu;i dun get it. 823341;1410258567;xmj;she's invited for her tits, not for the witty statements she makes. 823342;1410258609;mircea_popescu;punkman that is total bs. women don't walk on their heel. like, at all. 823343;1410258626;mircea_popescu;unless it's some sort of land whale, the reason she has heels in the first place is because she walks on the ball of her foot anyway. 823344;1410258656;punkman;walking on your heels hurts 823345;1410258689;punkman;for me at least 823346;1410258691;mircea_popescu;it'd fucking better, on high heels. the fucking point of them is for wrong girlwalk to hurt. 823347;1410258737;xmj;that and to make legs longer, thereby faking better fertility. 823348;1410258898;mircea_popescu;fuck the fertility, long legs look better. 823349;1410259026;mircea_popescu;if only a mechanical apparatus could be devised to make every twennysomething derp hurt each time she posts something stupid on reddit 823350;1410259089;mircea_popescu;life was better before the intellectual revolution. in these postmuscular times we're stuck with meta-meta bs. 823351;1410259492;mircea_popescu;;;seen Kleeck 823352;1410259493;gribble;Kleeck was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 31 weeks, 2 days, 9 hours, 59 minutes, and 12 seconds ago: yeah... hilarious..? 823353;1410259571;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform http://trilema.com/2013/america-and-intellectual-relevance/ << ever seen or before your time ? 823354;1410259572;assbot;America and intellectual relevance pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. 823355;1410259799;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 1663 @ 0.00063633 = 1.0582 BTC [+] {4} 823356;1410260180;penguirker;New blog post: http://trilema.com/2014/views-from-argentina/ 823357;1410262465;kakobrekla;so i fire up bitcoind to sync last n days and after only a few min i get traffic in 27 megs, out 50 megs 823358;1410262476;kakobrekla;is this thing underfed? 823359;1410262602;kakobrekla;(also my upload speed is one fourth of download) 823360;1410262657;kakobrekla;i dont have hard data but over the thumb the experience was much better a year ago 823361;1410263097;kakobrekla;seems like too many leechers in torrent speak 823362;1410263111;kakobrekla;but dunno, last time i checked bitcoind node count was going down 823363;1410263599;mircea_popescu;it;'s been underfed for a while. 823364;1410263633;kakobrekla;its some weird shit 823365;1410263691;kakobrekla;when in doubt, blame the usg? 823366;1410263768;mircea_popescu;what's so weird about it tho ? 823367;1410263790;mircea_popescu;this has been long said here, the #1 problem with the bitcoin protocol is that it has no specific payment for relays, and it allows separation of mining and relay. 823368;1410263829;kakobrekla;so when i fire it up i would expect it to be heavy on the download not the upload especially with my line asymmetry , instead you get the opposite 823369;1410263844;kakobrekla;now when its sycned up the upload is gone 823370;1410263988;mircea_popescu;maybe you have bad pings or some obscure port block from trhe isp ? 823371;1410264058;kakobrekla;not sure wtf but ill be keepin an eye out 823372;1410264143;kakobrekla;node count over past 60 days seems kinda stable at 7k 823373;1410264168;kakobrekla;at lest so is reported on bitnodes.io 823374;1410264194;mircea_popescu;actually i just looked and it's not nearly as bad as it used to be 823375;1410264199;mircea_popescu;mebbe peter todd's thing actually helped. 823376;1410264208;kakobrekla;which part isnt as bad 823377;1410264257;kakobrekla;node count? 823378;1410264275;kakobrekla;sync speed? 823379;1410264355;mircea_popescu;the bw flow 823380;1410264371;mircea_popescu;"node count" isn't necessarily all that relevant 823381;1410265861;mircea_popescu;someone needs to figure out how to make a power distribution system that doesn't depend on not being flooded 823382;1410265865;mircea_popescu;this is getting ridiculous 823383;1410266912;jurov;easy. don't live in flood prone areas. 823384;1410267001;mircea_popescu;dude goes to doctor, "hey doc, if i do this it hurts" "so don't do that" 823385;1410267008;mircea_popescu;i think you misunderstand what technology is for :D 823386;1410267021;Vexual;blacklist 823387;1410267481;BingoBoingo;http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/volokh-conspiracy/wp/2014/09/08/does-obtaining-leaked-data-from-a-misconfigured-website-violate-the-cfaa/ 823388;1410267481;assbot;Does obtaining leaked data from a misconfigured website violate the CFAA? - The Washington Post 823389;1410267625;Vexual;depends if youre the government or not 823390;1410267654;Vexual;ross is getting done for hacking tools 823391;1410267668;Vexual;i doubt the fbi did anything longhand 823392;1410267805;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo short answer, "doing anything is illegal" 823393;1410267966;Vexual;watch?v=swHXwZcW5Vg 823394;1410268006;Vexual;better call saul 823395;1410269091;Vexual;prove it cunt. well, you siezed my computer, and then i was incarcirated. 823396;1410269822;Vexual;7Y6ihWvymwg 823397;1410269899;asciilifeform;http://www.washingtonpost.com/local/in-dc-a-12-year-old-piano-prodigy-is-treated-as-a-truant-instead-of-a-star-student/2014/09/08/58962746-3727-11e4-bdfb-de4104544a37_story.html << another american lol 823398;1410269900;assbot;In D.C., a 13-year-old piano prodigy is treated as a truant instead of a star student - The Washington Post 823399;1410270100;Vexual;sounds jazzy, might be a felony 823400;1410270169;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9200 @ 0.00077664 = 7.1451 BTC [+] 823401;1410270308;asciilifeform;http://cryptome.org/2014/09/firefighter-sovereign.pdf 823402;1410270562;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: intellectual-relevance << yes. 823403;1410270749;mircea_popescu;!up guntha 823404;1410270755;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform aok 823405;1410270945;mircea_popescu;TheNewDeal: has any numbnut admitted fault to the btc/eur fiasco on btce last night? << nope. 823406;1410271011;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo: Job interview Wednesday < for what ? 823407;1410271027;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: Library work 823408;1410271065;mircea_popescu;hey if you get it, do me a favour, count heads. i'm curious what % of hot women in the library population. 823409;1410271116;mircea_popescu;mod6: hmm. works through tor. << i think maybe proxy checker had a local connectivity issue 823410;1410271209;BingoBoingo;Sure, can do 823411;1410271282;mircea_popescu;assbot: [PSA] if you are invested or gambling at dicebitco.in, please login and divest/withdraw asap! confirmed scam to players and investors : Bitcoin <<< hey kako what is teh diff between bitbet and other brands!11 823412;1410271344;mircea_popescu;RagnarDanneskjol: [A comparison between Bitcoin and other assets using an intraday Value at Risk approach] << " 823413;1410271344;mircea_popescu;The promising cryptocurrency Bitcoin has attracted a lot of attention recently, but the high volatility of the Bitcoin price has so far been a barrier to widespread adoption." 823414;1410271355;mircea_popescu;right, they know this. 823415;1410271388;mircea_popescu;i also like to open research by postulating improbable but piously repeated nonsense, it makes reading it worthwhile 823416;1410271506;RagnarDanneskjol;piously repeated, predictable conclusions - yes, but the research methodology appeared to be relatively sound and thourough 823417;1410271539;mircea_popescu;once you know what you want the conclusions to be, making the methodology seem sound isn't much of a task. 823418;1410271553;mircea_popescu;making the methodology be sound when you have nfi idea where you're going is a little harder 823419;1410271559;RagnarDanneskjol;very true 823420;1410271575;RagnarDanneskjol;I'm a sucker - appreciate academic research in the area however misguided it may be 823421;1410271576;mircea_popescu;kinda why real research is so easily overtaken by government sponsored nonsense. 823422;1410271586;RagnarDanneskjol;huh 823423;1410271588;mircea_popescu;i'm a hater, all it takes me is one broken sentence and im gone. 823424;1410271611;RagnarDanneskjol;hahah - so true 823425;1410271619;mircea_popescu;RagnarDanneskjol well government wasn't the right word i guess. "establishment" ? 823426;1410271687;RagnarDanneskjol;sure - all the same apparatus I suppose 823427;1410271717;mircea_popescu;in other news, the chick that fell in love with a wolf http://www.apprendimentosociale.it/en/claudia-fugazza/ 823428;1410271719;assbot;Claudia Fugazza | Do as I do 823429;1410271803;RagnarDanneskjol;a Degree in Dog Breeding -who knew such a thing 823430;1410271832;mircea_popescu;you can get a degree in getting degrees by now. 823431;1410271839;RagnarDanneskjol;yup 823432;1410271844;BingoBoingo;;;later tell strtp`fndr This hangover has lead me to a decision. I won't be investing in flappy airplane, so don't worry about that test. 823433;1410271845;gribble;The operation succeeded. 823434;1410271858;mircea_popescu;hey fluffypony do you plan to eventually sell the monero idea here once it reaches some sort of maturity or do you just plan to wait indefinitely for b-a to figure it out ? 823435;1410271929;BingoBoingo;;;later tell strtp`fndr Also how do you profess to do anything IP related and not know that boat hull designs were kind of the big impetus for the stuff taking off. 823436;1410271930;gribble;The operation succeeded. 823437;1410272000;rithm;a degree in dog breeding sounds exciting 823438;1410272082;mircea_popescu;rithm 12154jcphamguruvan432014-03-07 17:10:02-5defaulted on 100 btc loan << that bit. you never answered, what was it ? 823439;1410272111;rithm;i'm not sure i understand the question 823440;1410272134;mircea_popescu;can you tell me what the dispute with guruvan was 823441;1410272180;rithm;i think your question arised from the time at which the rating was entered which is scewed from the statement in reality 823442;1410272186;rithm;4th dimensionally, speaking 823443;1410272212;rithm;the statement being true, in any case 823444;1410272217;mircea_popescu;well ? 823445;1410272237;rithm;iirc i'm allowed to enter rating 3 years in retrograde 823446;1410272330;rithm;it's part of the ponzi circle-jerk idk what else to tell you 823447;1410272334;assbot;Last 6 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/3CCFN0C.txt ) 823448;1410272334;BingoBoingo;!b 6 823449;1410272345;rithm;you try to diversify, what do your borrorers do, ponzi on! 823450;1410272358;mircea_popescu;rithm tell me something substantial. 823451;1410272368;mircea_popescu;narrative form works. start somewhere and go with it. 823452;1410272383;rithm;negative ghostrider, the pattern is full. 823453;1410272390;rithm;do your fly-by elsewhere 823454;1410272432;mircea_popescu;this is like talking to vexual. 823455;1410272452;*;rithm is a dancer? 823456;1410272470;rithm;i invoke. 823457;1410272473;rithm;in any case. 823458;1410272487;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [BTM] 1000 @ 0.0017017 = 1.7017 BTC [+] {5} 823459;1410272501;rithm;i could ;;unrate and wash it clean if you like 823460;1410272521;rithm;but that doesn't seem very WoT 823461;1410272533;BingoBoingo; negative ghostrider, the pattern is full. << Imma have to use this pattern is full business sometime 823462;1410272551;mircea_popescu;what i'd like most would be to discern meaning and structure in your activity. but that seems too much to ask, so im just gonna forge tabout it. 823463;1410272560;rithm;BingoBoingo, are you Maverick or Goose? 823464;1410272575;BingoBoingo;Iceman 823465;1410272583;rithm;nice... 823466;1410272633;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo for the record, top gun is a parody, right ? 823467;1410272660;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: Doesn't seem to have been intended as one. 823468;1410272681;BingoBoingo;Seems to have been a propaganda piece 823469;1410272733;TomServo;Ever heard Tarantino's explanation? 823470;1410272750;TomServo;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NzY9a-WmE6o 823471;1410272750;assbot;Quentin Tarantino taking on Top Gun - YouTube 823472;1410272878;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: Now if Top Gun was parody what does that make http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0102059/ 823473;1410272879;assbot;Hot Shots! - Die Mutter aller Filme (1991) - IMDb 823474;1410272901;mircea_popescu;TomServo never had ty 823475;1410272931;mircea_popescu;TomServo you know his famous explanation as to what like a virgin is all about i imagine 823476;1410272941;TomServo;I do. 823477;1410273063;mircea_popescu;someone should pay that guy to write QT's Explanation As To What All Pop Culture Is All About. 823478;1410273071;mircea_popescu;twelve volumes, bound in starlet leather. 823479;1410273622;rithm;;;rate guruvan -5 http://pastebin.com/M3FVL7sJ loan default 823480;1410273622;assbot;for my hunny bunny mircea - Pastebin.com 823481;1410273623;gribble;Rating entry successful. Your rating for user guruvan has changed from -5 to -5. 823482;1410273654;rithm;;;balance 1Pu6DJjHVd35kWZRKKikbB41qiAyJPwhkx 823483;1410273655;gribble;0 823484;1410273738;mircea_popescu;oic. 823485;1410273754;mircea_popescu;ty. 823486;1410273820;rithm;1 month %15 interest seems legit 823487;1410273829;*;rithm epic facepalms 823488;1410273875;rithm;;;balance 1KxguySN2W7DHasLGTjzoqP8VNpmUZu7HW 823489;1410273875;gribble;0 823490;1410273892;rithm;https://blockchain.info/address/1KxguySN2W7DHasLGTjzoqP8VNpmUZu7HW 823491;1410273892;assbot;Bitcoin Address 1KxguySN2W7DHasLGTjzoqP8VNpmUZu7HW 823492;1410273905;rithm;interesting address for reference point 823493;1410273982;guruvan;oh hey mircea_popescu that's a loan that I had quite some time ago ( took loan @ $6.50 or so) and haven't been able to repay yet. 70BTC still outstanding. 823494;1410274001;rithm;yes i'm being interrogated about it guruvan 823495;1410274003;rithm;how are you 823496;1410274012;guruvan;good - who's interrogating you? 823497;1410274035;rithm;mircea jesus 823498;1410274078;guruvan;oic 823499;1410274091;rithm;i thought some repyment was made as well but i'm not able to locate that at this time, although i'm sure i have a record of it somewhere 823500;1410274147;rithm;;;ident 823501;1410274147;gribble;CAUTION: irc nick differs from otc registered nick. Nick 'rithm', with hostmask 'rithm!~rithm@unaffiliated/rithm', is identified as user 'jcpham', with GPG key id C71FB5ED6ACE04AF, key fingerprint F7299BD73879E866613EAB24C71FB5ED6ACE04AF, and bitcoin address 157CrafPv8oGC7f5vVFuLnE1BgDYUND4hq 823502;1410274171;guruvan;Ah. I was about to ask this :) 823503;1410274180;guruvan;I looked for your nick when I came back on irc 823504;1410274214;rithm;i'm here but certainly not what you'd call active 823505;1410274236;guruvan;lol. I've not been on irc in forever. but I'll be here all the time for some time now. 823506;1410274244;*;guruvan will still repay this loan 823507;1410274250;rithm;sweet! 823508;1410274257;rithm;i'll remove the negrate! 823509;1410274264;guruvan;awesome!!! 823510;1410274280;guruvan;it still might take time, but it still will get repaid. 823511;1410274288;rithm;10-4 823512;1410274601;kakobrekla;interest included? :) 823513;1410274617;kakobrekla;15 monthly since 2012 is something. 823514;1410274620;rithm;hey, let's all be gentlemen 823515;1410274623;kakobrekla;:D 823516;1410274889;mircea_popescu;guruvan yeah i was asking. when old names show up after an absence there's always the suspicion of squatting, and then i saw the - and itwent from there. 823517;1410274899;mircea_popescu;!up karma 823518;1410275106;guruvan;thanks mircea_popescu - I should have authed in channel when I got in 823519;1410275155;guruvan;kakobrekla: some kind of interest, of course! (maybe not the ridiculous APR we were all seeing back then! 823520;1410275186;mircea_popescu;;;calc 1.07 ** (52/12) 823521;1410275187;gribble;1.34069411581 823522;1410275195;mircea_popescu;34% per month! 823523;1410275203;guruvan;lulz 823524;1410275222;guruvan;on top of orders of magnitude in USD value ;) 823525;1410275239;mircea_popescu;in 2012 ? nah mostly stable then wasn't it 823526;1410275244;mircea_popescu;5 to 10 range 823527;1410275266;rithm;5 -> 10 12 ish -> ponzi -> 3 823528;1410275314;rithm;thank you to everyone for communicating with me 823529;1410275342;guruvan;and me - and thanks for watching for imposters mircea_popescu (and everyone) 823530;1410275344;mircea_popescu;http://38.media.tumblr.com/72e369812188cad1a99eabbedc0201f5/tumblr_naumi36gjB1trzasto1_500.jpg << not peeing all over one's butt, still the hardest part of womanhood 823531;1410275371;rithm;i'm not unreasonable. the contract has no clause for usd repayment. contracts can be amended. 823532;1410275376;rithm;arrangements can be made 823533;1410275490;guruvan;The loan was in BTC, and should be paid in BTC, in full IMO 823534;1410275513;rithm;i agree with you and thank you 823535;1410275518;guruvan;lucky for you, I don't earn money in USD, so it's not so much an issue as it could be 823536;1410275534;guruvan;lucky for you....lucky for ME 823537;1410275534;rithm;but i'm not some usurious vulture preying on people here 823538;1410275579;guruvan;no...also lucky for me ;) 823539;1410275742;artifexd;;;ident guruvan 823540;1410275742;gribble;Nick 'guruvan', with hostmask 'guruvan!~guruvan@gateway/tor-sasl/guruvan', is identified as user 'guruvan', with GPG key id AF02B22DA54E87F2, key fingerprint 50C9ACA3898D561CEFE518FCAF02B22DA54E87F2, and bitcoin address 1GUruvanCg4gS62XCeD9VbCzJhT1cyn2a3 823541;1410276475;thestringpuller;;;tickers 823542;1410276476;gribble;Error: "tickers" is not a valid command. 823543;1410276479;thestringpuller;;;ticker 823544;1410276480;gribble;Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 464.03, Best ask: 464.92, Bid-ask spread: 0.89000, Last trade: 464.03, 24 hour volume: 10663.55223220, 24 hour low: 459.18, 24 hour high: 478.39, 24 hour vwap: 468.810668659 823545;1410276484;thestringpuller;!l m s.mpoe 823546;1410276484;assbot;Last trade for S.MPOE on MPEX was at 0.00077664 BTC [+] 823547;1410277187;ThickAsThieves;what happened with vanads on bitbet? cant you just up the cost to mitigate asshats? 823548;1410277707;mircea_popescu;ThickAsThieves van ads are taking a sabbatical or something like that. 823549;1410277730;ThickAsThieves;oh 823550;1410277826;mircea_popescu;http://33.media.tumblr.com/cf2c9d6292eab1a3518f6420065870f6/tumblr_naunihztFQ1trzasto1_500.jpg << this is what a powerpoint presentation shuld have been in the first place. 823551;1410277841;mircea_popescu;have this wooden lattice corner in every office, tie bad girls to it as need arises. 823552;1410277934;ThickAsThieves;pallet porn 823553;1410277940;mircea_popescu;lol 823554;1410277971;mod6;ha 823555;1410278126;ThickAsThieves;in http://www.jdsupra.com/legalnews/eastern-district-court-of-texas-holds-th-45049/ what does "The Court granted the Defendants’ motion to reconsider its prior decision on subject-matter jurisdiction, but denied the Defendants’ motion to dismiss for lack of subject-matter jurisdiction." mean? 823556;1410278127;assbot;Eastern District Court of Texas Holds that Bitcoin Investments Are Securities | BuckleySandler LLP - JDSupra 823557;1410278155;mircea_popescu;ThickAsThieves starting where ? do you know what a motion is ? 823558;1410278160;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 1290 @ 0.00063811 = 0.8232 BTC [-] {2} 823559;1410278165;ThickAsThieves;they wont dismiss, but what does reconsideration of subject-matter jurisdiction mean? 823560;1410278181;mircea_popescu;whether that court may or may not judge the subject in contention 823561;1410278222;rithm;gotta love courts and judges 823562;1410278235;ThickAsThieves;if they find they may not, then who might may? 823563;1410278252;mircea_popescu;ThickAsThieves if we were maried and i sued you for divorce and filed this with the admirality court 823564;1410278259;rithm;lol 823565;1410278267;mircea_popescu;they'd decide they have no subject matter jurisdiction and throw the case out 823566;1410278279;mircea_popescu;and it's not their job to say that. 823567;1410278297;thestringpuller;ThickAsThieves weren't you gonna make a BTC record label? 823568;1410278308;ThickAsThieves;so the pros would have to refile with a court they feel might match? 823569;1410278357;mircea_popescu;yes. 823570;1410278377;mircea_popescu;generally there's a catchall jurisdiction, usually the appelate. 823571;1410278385;ThickAsThieves;ah 823572;1410278396;ThickAsThieves;but SEC wants East Texas 823573;1410278404;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] [PAID] 1.40915124 BTC to 15`372 shares, 9167 satoshi per share 823574;1410278406;mircea_popescu;depends, on some subject matter the supreme court is the catchall 823575;1410278408;mircea_popescu;and this may well be it. 823576;1410278425;mircea_popescu;meaning they won't be able to convict for a coupla decades. 823577;1410278459;mircea_popescu;not too likely tho. in general in the us a federal circuit court will pick weird stuff up rather than pass it up the line 823578;1410278465;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] [PAID] 2.98996880 BTC to 1`149`988 shares, 260 satoshi per share 823579;1410278468;ThickAsThieves;do you think Ulbricht should go to prison? 823580;1410278480;rithm;is it legal to fuzz captchas 823581;1410278499;ThickAsThieves;rithm there's an article on that in the NYTimes i think 823582;1410278504;ThickAsThieves;or WashPost 823583;1410278507;ThickAsThieves;i forget which 823584;1410278511;mircea_popescu;in my country ? not on what i've seen so far. other countrikes can run whichever way they please. 823585;1410278533;rithm;i'm just wondering how far technically a jury trial can go when we start talking about injection and fuzzing 823586;1410278556;rithm;this is highly technical and should've/coul've been meticulously documented 823587;1410278570;rithm;juries not so much any of that 823588;1410278576;ThickAsThieves;not a new problem 823589;1410278600;jurov;mircea_popescu when are F.DERP asks starting? or you just sold all of it to yourself? :D 823590;1410278632;ThickAsThieves;http://www.theregister.co.uk/2014/09/08/leaky_captcha_behind_fbis_silk_road_rapture/ 823591;1410278633;assbot;Doubts cast over FBI 'leaky CAPTCHA' Silk Road rapture The Register 823592;1410278634;mircea_popescu;jurov yeah atm im holding it all. prolly after there's decent bids. 823593;1410278727;mircea_popescu;ThickAsThieves fabulous, their parallel construction is collapsing and the matter's not even at appeal yet. 823594;1410278748;mircea_popescu;this has the potential to turn into one of the most embarassing moments for us da's derpidity. 823595;1410279164;ThickAsThieves;specifically: "In this scenario, the description of packet sniffers and 'inspecting each packet' is all a distraction from what the FBI really did. Technically, saying that a packet sniffer revealed the true IP address of the server is true – what isn't mentioned is the packet sniffer was picking up responses from a request to the login page that was forcing it to spit out the IP 823596;1410279164;ThickAsThieves;address as part of a bug." 823597;1410279363;asciilifeform;Ulbricht should go to prison? << nah. he should experience the 'five punishments.' not for dope, but for being a public idiot. 823598;1410279475;BingoBoingo;http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/E/EU_FRANCE_TOPLESS_ADIEU?SITE=AP&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT 823599;1410279475;assbot;News from The Associated Press 823600;1410279487;mircea_popescu;wasn;t the punishment for public idiocy public ridicule ? 823601;1410279491;mircea_popescu;that's been exacted already. 823602;1410279565;mircea_popescu;Sandra Riahi, 22, in a bikini, chimed in: "I've never done it. I'd be too embarrassed." <<< let the sand niggers in, get fucking burkas and "embarassed" women. 823603;1410279638;mircea_popescu;also lol@the propaganda, hitching english "feminism" to french toplessness. 823604;1410279722;ThickAsThieves;when will male toplessness go away? 823605;1410279739;mircea_popescu;prolly as soon as armpit sweat goes. 823606;1410279856;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform : SÄ­ (æ­»), death. Following the Sui and Tang Dynasties there were generally two options: strangulation (jiÇŽo 絞/绞) or decapitation (zhÇŽn æ–©/æ–¬). From the Song Dynasty (970–1279 CE) onwards, slow slicing (língchí 凌迟) along with beheading (xiÄoshÅu 枭首) were also used. The death penalty could be remitted on payment of 42 guàn in copper cash. 823607;1410279902;[]bot;Bet placed: 1 BTC for No on "King Felix to Reign MLB Strikeouts" http://bitbet.us/bet/943/ Odds: 10(Y):90(N) by coin, 21(Y):79(N) by weight. Total bet: 1.815 BTC. Current weight: 26,346. 823608;1410279916;mircea_popescu;they totally should have this. for speeding and for substance abuses. "buy your selection of pop starlets for 42 bitcents a head" 823609;1410279919;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu, yes, these. 823610;1410279943;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: also see 'waist chop.' 823611;1410279972;mircea_popescu;they totally need this "buy ex cons" thing for rich people. 823612;1410280018;ThickAsThieves;at least give the convicted the option i guess, death or slavery 823613;1410280043;mircea_popescu;for all the derpage about re=education, the only way reeducation happens is teh dungeon. 823614;1410280051;mircea_popescu;!up maclane 823615;1410280133;mircea_popescu;amusingly, the punishments for women include forced suicide and confinement to a room, but no mastectomy/hysterectomy, and the jail thing ranks above suicide in severity. 823616;1410280202;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: the chinese had little grasp of antisepsis. if i recall - death rate of eunuch production was around 1 in 3. 823617;1410280211;asciilifeform;and that's just snipped balls. 823618;1410280218;mircea_popescu;so ? 823619;1410280225;mircea_popescu;these are convicts. 823620;1410280247;asciilifeform;so: sepsis is an uninspiring and tedious death 823621;1410280253;asciilifeform;in china, death is a spectator sport. 823622;1410280266;asciilifeform;hence, 'ling-chi', etc. 823623;1410280267;mircea_popescu;sepsis is an incredibly specatotor -friendly death. 823624;1410280269;mircea_popescu;you ever smelled it ? 823625;1410280277;asciilifeform;for some values of 'friendly.' 823626;1410280284;mircea_popescu;well, it delivers a show. 823627;1410280317;ThickAsThieves;well with all the feminism, who wants nuts anyway! 823628;1410280637;mircea_popescu;http://33.media.tumblr.com/42baa81bb2efcd834a21e90145393246/tumblr_n9t1dilqy61sleb1eo1_1280.jpg 823629;1410280639;mircea_popescu;black walnut! 823630;1410280811;mircea_popescu;;;ticker 823631;1410280813;gribble;Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 464.35, Best ask: 465.75, Bid-ask spread: 1.40000, Last trade: 465.64, 24 hour volume: 9858.38067360, 24 hour low: 459.18, 24 hour high: 478.39, 24 hour vwap: 468.672764342 823632;1410281276;dub;applolpocalypse? 823633;1410281912;ThickAsThieves;"The Mayo Clinic will be giving Apple a hand at its launch event this evening, according to the Star Tribune. " 823634;1410281951;BingoBoingo;http://www.gomerblog.com/2014/09/surgeon-general/ 823635;1410281951;assbot;Obama Replaces Surgeon General with Nurse Practitioner General - Medical Satire - GomerBlog 823636;1410282270;ThickAsThieves;apple is nuts if it thinks i'm downloading safari just to watch their shit 823637;1410282333;dub;yeah lol 823638;1410282454;ThickAsThieves;last thing i need is a nude selfie scandal! 823639;1410282515;dub;makes sense though, you dont want normal people to point and laugh at your latest tardphone 823640;1410282599;assbot;Last 4 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/3BZKK07.txt ) 823641;1410282599;BingoBoingo;!b 4 823642;1410282638;BingoBoingo;I just can't wait for the media to reinvent the word "nudie" by combing "nude" and "selfie" 823643;1410282675;ThickAsThieves;https://www.tradingview.com/x/fx464d25/ 823644;1410282680;dub;wow 823645;1410282707;dub;iphone6, its a samsung 823646;1410282749;ThickAsThieves;arent they all? 823647;1410282750;ThickAsThieves;:) 823648;1410282801;xmj;made in taiwan? 823649;1410282849;dub;Phil Schiller tells the world about his cameltoe 823650;1410282867;dub;sorry, gunt 823651;1410282885;dub;;;ud gunt 823652;1410282886;gribble;http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Gunt | Bulging area found on large older women between the waist and the genital area . Not quite a gut, not quite a cunt... The Gunt. 823653;1410282895;dub;bullshit 823654;1410282906;dub;its a manletoe 823655;1410282931;rithm;mantletoe ha 823656;1410282943;dub;omg landscape view 823657;1410283180;kakobrekla;;;tslb 823658;1410283187;BingoBoingo;%tslb 823659;1410283188;atcbot;Time Since Last ATC Block: 0 hour(s), 56 minutes 823660;1410283192;gribble;Time since last block: 31 minutes and 23 seconds 823661;1410283203;kakobrekla;lol. 823662;1410283220;kakobrekla;the diff is too god damn high. 823663;1410283248;dub;chill, your iphone purchase will go through eventually 823664;1410283265;kakobrekla;lol 823665;1410283285;ThickAsThieves;Super Evil Megacorp is actually a cool name 823666;1410283323;BingoBoingo;%d 823667;1410283324;atcbot;[ATC Diff] Current Diff: 1878190.93 Est. Next Diff: 279961.07 in 1310 blocks (#46368) Est. % Change: -85.09 823668;1410283436;dub;_up to_ 50% faster since 2007 823669;1410283467;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6327 @ 0.00077649 = 4.9129 BTC [-] {2} 823670;1410283488;ThickAsThieves;i wonder how much work goes into picking the right blue jeans to present in 823671;1410283534;dub;dude there is probably NLP best practise for which way to arrange your junk 823672;1410283551;ThickAsThieves;lol 823673;1410283563;xmj;NLP neuro linguistic programming? 823674;1410283569;ThickAsThieves;please ensure no penis-shaped shadows are apparent 823675;1410283580;dub;frank left beans right, makes sales go right 823676;1410283598;ThickAsThieves;if penis is too large, please place along seam, between legs 823677;1410283696;dub;all teh blogs are omg 50% faster! 823678;1410283720;dub;less thank half of moores and light years behind competition!!!!1! 823679;1410283772;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15995 @ 0.00077768 = 12.439 BTC [+] 823680;1410283780;ThickAsThieves;hilarious that wifi calling is a feature and only limited support 823681;1410283811;dub;only connects to airports or whatever those things are 823682;1410283902;dub;It.s always good to know your audience [are retarded]. 823683;1410283962;dub;black folk on a horse! 823684;1410284026;dub;ahaha 823685;1410284044;dub;iphone6, now with nigger detection 823686;1410284320;kakobrekla;hm? 823687;1410284780;BingoBoingo;http://www.wfla.com/story/26477486/drunk-new-port-richey-woman-tried-to-pick-up-kid-at-school-hit-2-cars-say-deputies 823688;1410284780;assbot;Drunk woman tried to pick up kid at Trinity school, hit 2 cars, - WFLA News Channel 8 823689;1410285063;ThickAsThieves;Cue says "we are not in the business of collecting your data." 823690;1410285066;ThickAsThieves;nope, just leaking it 823691;1410285177;ThickAsThieves;apple signed up an asston of merchants and banks for iPay huh 823692;1410285208;BingoBoingo;;;ticker 823693;1410285209;gribble;Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 466.8, Best ask: 467.56, Bid-ask spread: 0.76000, Last trade: 466.81, 24 hour volume: 7181.99975766, 24 hour low: 459.18, 24 hour high: 478.39, 24 hour vwap: 468.624580322 823694;1410285217;BingoBoingo;!t n apl 823695;1410285217;assbot;Aren't those tins of tobacco right there behind you? 823696;1410285711;artifexd;http://www.wired.com/2014/09/satoshi/ 823697;1410285712;assbot;Someone’s Threatening to Expose Bitcoin Founder Satoshi Nakamoto | Enterprise | WIRED 823698;1410286346;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: https://leaksource.files.wordpress.com/2014/09/satoshi-email-2.png << lol 823699;1410286356;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: now we know why they knocked on your door. 823700;1410286511;asciilifeform;what's 'lancelot' ? evidently - this: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=193129.0 823701;1410286512;assbot;Ended CardReaderFactory Lancelot Group Purchase due to Seller Business Practice 823702;1410286597;asciilifeform;fpga mining board (as late as 2013) advertised by 'cardreaderfactory', a firm which appears to sell 'card skimmers' (a type of cheating device, popular in usa, where credit card magstripes are secretly read from unsuspecting victim) 823703;1410286664;ThickAsThieves;so satoshi is a scammer 823704;1410286701;asciilifeform;or that disposable email popped open ages ago. 823705;1410286973;asciilifeform;or good disinfo artist. 823706;1410287036;asciilifeform;http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=113_1406258044 << 'hedsoff.com' ! 823707;1410287036;assbot;LiveLeak.com - Non Moderated beheaders claim behead many soldier on Division 17 823708;1410287164;The20YearIRCloud;hello friend 823709;1410287210;thestringpuller;iPay w poop 823710;1410287213;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: Interesting, I wonder if I know anyone in 63101 823711;1410287218;asciilifeform;http://i.imgur.com/y0Ee8cl.png << lol 823712;1410287219;thestringpuller;i'm going to patent iPoop 823713;1410287501;BingoBoingo;Lol that address isn't in the city it seems to be in the middle of the ghetto between Ferguson and Dellwood (also not that ZIP) 823714;1410287538;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: bozo orders $turd, uses 'satoshi' email addr, snore. 823715;1410287560;BingoBoingo;Turd orderer seems to the the mailman 823716;1410287574;BingoBoingo;http://www.usa.com/63101-mo.htm 823717;1410287574;assbot;63101 Zip Code 823718;1410287993;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: Seems to be the case, except turd prolly wasn't ordered. 823719;1410288562;RagnarDanneskjol;argh >> http://www.gizmodo.com.au/2014/09/apple-watch-everything-you-need-to-know/ 823720;1410288564;assbot;Apple Watch: Everything You Need To Know | Gizmodo Australia 823721;1410288902;The20YearIRCloud;5% better performance ! 823722;1410290749;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo it's what it always meant neh ? 823723;1410290758;mircea_popescu;nudies, amateur naked ladies. 823724;1410290848;mircea_popescu;ThickAsThieves: Super Evil Megacorp is actually a cool name << foreal. 823725;1410291012;ben_vulpes;ios watch: bubble season conspicuous consumption play? 823726;1410291022;*;asciilifeform catching up on logs, wondering why 'van ads' was declared failed experiment 823727;1410291077;ben_vulpes;asciilifeform: needs more time than i can give it. 823728;1410291107;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: time for what? i thought it was automatic. 823729;1410291116;ben_vulpes;moar features. 823730;1410291137;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: Indeed, just waiting for the media to present it as new 823731;1410291165;mircea_popescu;oh that lancelot drama 823732;1410291279;mircea_popescu;http://edge.liveleak.com/80281E/ll_a_s/2014/Jul/24/LiveLeak-dot-com-113_1406258044-BtU-rrQIQAAJ1cDjpglarge_1406258531.jpg.resized.jpg?d5e8cc8eccfb6039332f41f6249e92b06c91b4db65f5e99818bdd6964f4dd9d1a6e1&ec_rate=230 << star of david in fence ? 823733;1410291373;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: tap die holder. 823734;1410291906;mircea_popescu;;;bc,stats 823735;1410291909;gribble;Current Blocks: 319881 | Current Difficulty: 2.7428630902257874E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 320543 | Next Difficulty In: 662 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 4 days, 23 hours, 27 minutes, and 31 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 29141322280.6 | Estimated Percent Change: 6.24417 823736;1410291934;mircea_popescu;http://bitbet.us/bet/1028/btc-difficulty-over-31bn-before-october/ 823737;1410291934;assbot;BitBet - BTC Difficulty over 31Bn before October :: 82.76 B (93%) on Yes, 6.09 B (7%) on No | closing in 1 week 4 hours | weight: 26`860 (100`000 to 1) 823738;1410291949;mircea_popescu;srsly, 13:1 ?! 823739;1410292122;BingoBoingo;;;bc,stats 823740;1410292125;gribble;Current Blocks: 319881 | Current Difficulty: 2.7428630902257874E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 320543 | Next Difficulty In: 662 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 4 days, 23 hours, 27 minutes, and 31 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 29141322280.6 | Estimated Percent Change: 6.24417 823741;1410292229;mircea_popescu;basically if the next diff isn't up 6.5% it's a no 823742;1410292229;BingoBoingo;;;tslb 823743;1410292234;gribble;Time since last block: 6 minutes and 53 seconds 823744;1410292371;artifexd;Seeing as mp has brought up the october bet a couple time and expressed surprise that it is so lopsided, I think he is expecting it to resolve as no. 823745;1410292427;RagnarDanneskjol;hmm 823746;1410292443;mircea_popescu;artifexd it's more of an academic interest. 823747;1410292465;mircea_popescu;outrageous difficulty bitbets have a lengthy tradition of coming out yes. 823748;1410292548;thestringpuller;;;diff 823749;1410292548;gribble;2.7428630902257874E10 823750;1410292550;artifexd;Working through this: 5 days from now is the 14th. If difficulty doesn't go up or down, the next readjustment would be on the 28th. 823751;1410292559;thestringpuller;lol could very well be 31bn 823752;1410292584;thestringpuller;;;estimate 823753;1410292585;gribble;Next difficulty estimate | 29148006151.2 based on data since last change | 28524041524.0 based on data for last three days 823754;1410292623;mircea_popescu;thestringpuller it's been flagging lately. artifexd yeah, and that's the last one. 823755;1410292636;mircea_popescu;there's no way to get crammed in the remaining 16 days 823756;1410292760;BingoBoingo; 27.429 billion | Next Diff in 662 blocks | Estimated Change: 6.2322% in 4d 7h 20m 23s 823757;1410292764;artifexd;You need, what, a 12% increase in the next two adjustments? That seems almost certain. Which the odds on the bet would confirm. 823758;1410292810;mircea_popescu;why's it so certain ? 823759;1410292868;BingoBoingo;Fuck me, this could resolve as no the time I don't have money on it. 823760;1410292895;artifexd;The estimate for the current period is over 6%. That leaves, as you say, another 6.5% for the next period. 823761;1410292898;artifexd;Hmmm... 823762;1410292946;artifexd;Looking at http://bitcoin.sipa.be/ it does look like the increase is slowing down. 823763;1410292946;assbot;Bitcoin network graphs 823764;1410292955;mircea_popescu;well i mean sure, it could be over six. just as well, it could not be. on the yes side, the observation that diff keeps increasing. on the no side, the observation that no trend lasts forever. 823765;1410292982;mircea_popescu;which is why 13:1 seems wild to me, but perhaps my odds brain is too steeped in fiat. 823766;1410293015;artifexd;Yep. You sold me. I'm going to put a couple btc on no. 823767;1410293028;mircea_popescu;it's rare for a horse to be at 13:1 for instance. 823768;1410293035;mircea_popescu;and even 3:1 winners are rare 823769;1410293087;BingoBoingo;Well, horses also tend to come with more names than "yes" and "no" 823770;1410293124;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo suppose you split the whole run into two teams or something, i dunno. 823771;1410293139;mircea_popescu;http://38.media.tumblr.com/7b48e00dff87be1e7776655d88cc1502/tumblr_n7lckwocCE1tzcq6mo1_400.gif have a gif of a girl having fun instead. 823772;1410293338;artifexd;;;tslb 823773;1410293347;gribble;Time since last block: 18 minutes and 56 seconds 823774;1410293411;RagnarDanneskjol;you sure thats a girl 823775;1410293475;mircea_popescu;hm. 823776;1410293481;RagnarDanneskjol;iffy 823777;1410293490;mircea_popescu;micropenis & tiniballs ? 823778;1410293531;RagnarDanneskjol;could be 823779;1410293570;mircea_popescu;well, i'm of the "if it feels like a girl it is a girl" school of heterosexuality. 823780;1410293582;RagnarDanneskjol;ahahaha 823781;1410293604;asciilifeform;'eat recycled food...' 823782;1410293624;mircea_popescu;all food is recycled, what do you think the plants do ? 823783;1410293627;mircea_popescu;suck up the shit make an apple. 823784;1410293643;asciilifeform;well, there's recycled and recycled. 823785;1410293660;asciilifeform;(familiar with origin of english word 'shoddy' ?) 823786;1410293663;mircea_popescu;quite my point. 823787;1410293670;mircea_popescu;nope ? 823788;1410293710;mircea_popescu;o look at that, apparently it's civil war for bad bandage 823789;1410293733;asciilifeform;http://www.historyhouse.co.uk/articles/shoddy.html 823790;1410293733;assbot;What is Shoddy? 823791;1410293940;kakobrekla;so basically its 90% fertilizer and 10% cloth 823792;1410293959;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12402 @ 0.00077522 = 9.6143 BTC [-] 823793;1410293971;mircea_popescu;pity they couldn't make social media sites out of it back them 823794;1410294081;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7598 @ 0.00077114 = 5.8591 BTC [-] 823795;1410294083;penguirker;New blog post: http://www.bcoinnews.com/solo-mine-bitcoin-without-node-ckpool-org/ 823796;1410294191;[]bot;Bet placed: 2 BTC for No on "BTC Difficulty over 31Bn before October" http://bitbet.us/bet/1028/ Odds: 91(Y):9(N) by coin, 88(Y):12(N) by weight. Total bet: 90.86707126 BTC. Current weight: 26,762. 823797;1410294525;artifexd;^ There's my bet 823798;1410294813;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 13 @ 0.177 = 2.301 BTC [-] {2} 823799;1410295127;ThickAsThieves;sry for your loss 823800;1410295134;ben_vulpes;betting against diff 823801;1410295138;ben_vulpes;ye boyeee 823802;1410295165;ThickAsThieves;;;estimate 823803;1410295175;gribble;Next difficulty estimate | None based on data since last change | 28524041524.0 based on data for last three days 823804;1410295189;ThickAsThieves;gribble is not reliable 823805;1410295192;ThickAsThieves;https://bitcoinwisdom.com/bitcoin/difficulty 823806;1410295192;assbot;Bitcoin Difficulty and Hashrate Chart - BitcoinWisdom 823807;1410295193;ThickAsThieves;use that 823808;1410295309;mircea_popescu;!up tryphe 823809;1410295318;ThickAsThieves;shit i didnt realize i never placed a bet on that one 823810;1410295330;mircea_popescu;lol 823811;1410295340;mircea_popescu;you boys be getting complacent ? BingoBoingo said the same thing 823812;1410295423;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 8 @ 0.17500001 = 1.4 BTC [-] {2} 823813;1410295429;ThickAsThieves;i think what happened was i looked at it several times thinking, nah, no way it gets that high, and then feeling my brain pump chemical memories of when i bet against diff before and lost 50btc, so i abstained 823814;1410295474;ben_vulpes;betting with btc 823815;1410295481;ben_vulpes;call me a poorfag, but i don't get the risk. 823816;1410295507;ThickAsThieves;it's not just betting (we tell ourselves) 823817;1410295515;ThickAsThieves;you can hedge other invetsments, etc 823818;1410295539;ThickAsThieves;i believe nubbins has done such explicitly by creating the bet he needed 823819;1410295592;ThickAsThieves;i mean all investing is speculation, right? 823820;1410295599;ThickAsThieves;just degrees 823821;1410295699;pete_dushenski;labvakar (good evening) from riga! 823822;1410295716;artifexd;bitcoinwisdom certainly paints a picture of "I be a fool". In their whole history of difficulty increases, there have never been two consecutive difficulty increases that added up to less than 12%. 823823;1410295750;ThickAsThieves;<+pete_dushenski> labvakar (good evening) from riga! /// they have internet there? 823824;1410295777;pete_dushenski;ThickAsThieves: after the wall came down, it's like a new country! 823825;1410295784;ThickAsThieves;artifexd, it's not the worst risk/reward 823826;1410295794;ThickAsThieves;but yeah, a tight one... 823827;1410295848;ThickAsThieves;i tried to get nanotube to change how gribble does diff, but he's happy as it is 823828;1410297068;pete_dushenski;twas nice of mircea_popescu to (seemingly unintentionally) trick artifexd into contributing to the 31bn diff fund. 823829;1410297138;pete_dushenski;that'd be incredible if hashrate went to sub-200k and stayed there for the next 5 days 823830;1410297145;pete_dushenski;but ya never know 823831;1410297149;pete_dushenski;;;nethash 823832;1410297149;gribble;203975460.22 823833;1410297226;pete_dushenski;artifexd:^ There's my bet << so giving to teh community, this guy 823834;1410297242;pete_dushenski;so anyways, latvia... 823835;1410297253;pete_dushenski;and, as it so happened, lithuania 823836;1410297263;penguirker;New blog post: http://trilema.com/2014/the-private-lives-of-pippa-lee-or-what-happens-to-the-old-whore/ 823837;1410297302;pete_dushenski;riga is worth a visit: fine food, reasonable prices, beautiful young women, appealing architecture 823838;1410297305;artifexd;I remain satisfied with my bet. No regrets yet. 823839;1410297310;pete_dushenski;definitely a few days worth of exploring to do here 823840;1410297350;pete_dushenski;jurmala (not your mama) is just 20km west and is the wealthy beach resort/bedroom community for riga, also well worth a visit 823841;1410297376;pete_dushenski;there's some of the most interesting residential architecture i've seen anywhere there 823842;1410297394;pete_dushenski;artifexd: it's only been 30 mins ;) 823843;1410297445;artifexd;Yeah. We'll see how I feel in 5 days. 823844;1410297498;pete_dushenski;kaunas, lithuania was an unexpected surprise. picturesque layout and a couple of local universities made for a lively nightlife 823845;1410297507;pete_dushenski;artifexd: mhm 823846;1410297931;mircea_popescu;pete_dushenski fuck me i was just speaking extemporaneously 823847;1410297967;pete_dushenski;mircea_popescu: well maybe you'll be more careful next time 823848;1410297977;pete_dushenski;some people actually give weight to your words ;) 823849;1410298004;asciilifeform;http://cryptome.org/2014/09/nsa-14-0902.pdf 823850;1410298015;pete_dushenski;in the logs, it reads like a fisherman toying with his catch before gutting him 823851;1410298023;asciilifeform;mega-lol. might as well sue to get official naked picture of the fuhrer. 823852;1410298055;mircea_popescu; riga is worth a visit: fine food, reasonable prices, beautiful young women, appealing architecture << all true. 823853;1410298110;asciilifeform;http://imgur.com/Gy3pLkp << de-pdf'ed 823854;1410298110;assbot;suite a - Imgur 823855;1410298129;mircea_popescu;o for crying out loud. gutting my foot. 823856;1410298151;pete_dushenski;lol 823857;1410298173;pete_dushenski;don't gut your foot now, i imagine it'd hurt 823858;1410298188;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform lulzy 823859;1410298214;mircea_popescu;"dear nsa. please give me cookies. ty." 823860;1410298255;pete_dushenski;mircea_popescu: one can see why riga's popular with the british stag parties, russian biznessmen, and german tourists 823861;1410298280;artifexd;I don't want anybody to feel bad. If I lose the 2btc it is not going to come close to affecting my net worth at all. As tat says, the risk/reward seems about right. 823862;1410298323;asciilifeform;if nsa were girl... 'suite a' would be - the whole orchestra. or not even sure what. 823863;1410298380;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform if nsa were a girl, it wouldn't be asking for nudies, nor for a fuck, nor for a blowjob during superball, in the parking lot. 823864;1410298392;mircea_popescu;it'd be "please cut off your clit, put it in a sushi roll and mail it to me" 823865;1410298395;asciilifeform;lol 823866;1410298407;asciilifeform;yes. 823867;1410298410;asciilifeform;approximately - this. 823868;1410299693;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 1500 @ 0.00060147 = 0.9022 BTC [-] {7} 823869;1410299924;mthreat;https://twitter.com/mthreat/status/509445812682649600 823870;1410299925;assbot;Ok who's gonna be the first to put several Apple watches on his penis and make a teledildonics app? 823871;1410299937;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.1742419 = 0.5227 BTC [-] {3} 823872;1410300120;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 10 @ 0.17266998 = 1.7267 BTC [-] {7} 823873;1410300262;RagnarDanneskjol;!up RagnarsBitch 823874;1410301133;ThickAsThieves;so this 1btcxe challenge is by CFIG, which is Havelock? 823875;1410301150;ThickAsThieves;see latest post https://www.havelockinvestments.com/ 823876;1410301152;assbot;Havelock Investments 823877;1410301233;ThickAsThieves;which is probly also these guys https://cryptocapital.co/ 823878;1410301234;assbot;Crypto Capital | Merging the Fiat & Crypto World | Exchanges, Investors, Traders 823879;1410301256;ThickAsThieves;interesting scrolly web design... 823880;1410301279;ThickAsThieves;must be a template cuz the logo sucks and doesnt match at all 823881;1410301703;penguirker;New blog post: http://www.bcoinnews.com/first-bitcoin-teller-machine-san-francisco/ 823882;1410302105;TheNewDeal;;;ticker 823883;1410302107;gribble;Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 474.2, Best ask: 474.87, Bid-ask spread: 0.67000, Last trade: 474.88, 24 hour volume: 8864.99346706, 24 hour low: 459.18, 24 hour high: 476.4, 24 hour vwap: 467.204371193 823884;1410302249;asciilifeform;btc atm... 'Cash in and cash out' << clearly funded by u.s. mint, where they'd like to learn what the state of the art in fooling automated benjamin testers is. 823885;1410302282;TheNewDeal;please explain 823886;1410302304;asciilifeform;TheNewDeal: machine, in theory, pisses out btc when you insert usd ? 823887;1410302334;asciilifeform;TheNewDeal: hooligan inserts counterfeit usd, walks away with btc. 823888;1410302335;TheNewDeal;so the idea is to try and forge a benjamin and get a real currency in return? 823889;1410302340;TheNewDeal;gotcha 823890;1410302387;TheNewDeal;Although I think if you could produce that quality of a bill, you most likely wouldn't have a problem giving it out to others (non btc atm owners) 823891;1410302396;jurov;do i see right the camera on top of that bitcoin-teller-machine ? 823892;1410302412;asciilifeform;jurov: there's traditionally a camera on u.s. atms. 823893;1410302427;jurov;til 823894;1410302436;asciilifeform;jurov: this is why scammers, thieves, etc. put on mask. 823895;1410302504;asciilifeform;TheNewDeal: the bar is considerably lower for fooling a machine. (until recently, the readers in american vending machines did not even contain colour cameras.) 823896;1410302569;asciilifeform;TheNewDeal: likewise, if you give a sham benjamin to a living person, he might cry out for help before you can run off. 823897;1410302587;asciilifeform;with machine - owner finds out, possibly weeks or months later, when he himself is prosecuted 823898;1410302588;jurov;well, the same was said to my fellow lamassu owner someone will put colored bills from burglared ATM in, etc. 823899;1410302606;jurov;surprise, apparently it did not happen yet in half a year 823900;1410302639;TheNewDeal;what was said jurov? 823901;1410302649;asciilifeform;right now, btc atm, as i understand, is scarce enough - and likewise scarce are the counterfeiters - that they have not yet met in 'true love' match. 823902;1410302681;jurov;TheNewDeal: they told him everyone will try to fool the machine 823903;1410302692;asciilifeform;but picture if you were a counterfeiter - could you even wish for a better place to make use of the fakes ? 823904;1410302719;jurov;well, i suppose they're fachidiots 823905;1410302724;TheNewDeal;I'm still surprised that you say it's easier to fake a machine than a person 823906;1410302729;TheNewDeal;would like to see more backup on this 823907;1410302750;asciilifeform;TheNewDeal: let's suppose you have no idea how the machine works 823908;1410302760;asciilifeform;(it is, in fact, a well-documented mechanism. but imagine.) 823909;1410302772;TheNewDeal;this is true, I haven't looked into it 823910;1410302774;asciilifeform;it is considerably safer to experiment on the machine than on your local bank teller or other live set of eyes. 823911;1410302811;asciilifeform;machine will accept or reject, but is unlikely to be programmed to rat you out (false alarms, terrible pr) and even if it were - has only a scarce idea who 'you' are (wearing your robber's mask.) 823912;1410302813;TheNewDeal;I would most definitely agree that 823913;1410302831;asciilifeform;you can try 1,000 variants until works. 823914;1410302897;asciilifeform;there was precedent, if i recall: a casino cheat in las vegas, knew exactly what a particular make of usd scanner wanted. 823915;1410302914;asciilifeform;caught, as one expects, the old-fashioned way - spotted by guard. 823916;1410302996;BingoBoingo;ATM requires fortress, news at 11 823917;1410303026;TheNewDeal;that seems risky 823918;1410303040;TheNewDeal;with an atm, aren't you usually depositing into a bank account ? 823919;1410303066;TheNewDeal;;;nethash 823920;1410303066;gribble;203975460.22 823921;1410303253;jurov;TheNewDeal what bank account? 823922;1410303289;TheNewDeal;If I go to an atm at a casino, and I want to withdraw, where do i withdraw from? 823923;1410303310;TheNewDeal;not sure how the guy was depositing bills. Maybe it spit out casino chips or something? 823924;1410303464;jurov;yes. and this btm accepts bills and spits out a slip with btc address or such 823925;1410303471;jurov;and the other way around 823926;1410303476;jurov;no bank involved 823927;1410303531;BingoBoingo; If I go to an atm at a casino, and I want to withdraw, where do i withdraw from? << Not ATM at the casino, gambling machines 823928;1410303544;TheNewDeal;ooo 823929;1410303662;BingoBoingo;Casino is an interesting kind of fortress 823930;1410303803;cazalla;gaming machines are used in au to launder hundreds of millions apparently 823931;1410303837;asciilifeform;yes - it was: usd in, casino chips out. 823932;1410303860;cazalla;i wonder if fakes get fed into the machines or if companies like aristocrat have great detection? 823933;1410303904;asciilifeform;cazalla: read about how such cheats are normally caught. 823934;1410303930;asciilifeform;cazalla: a casino is an example of a controlled environment. no one comes remotely near a machine - a door, hell, a toilet - without being filmed from several angles 823935;1410303952;asciilifeform;and his path from the door, to machines, etc. and then out, and possibly to his car - all recorded. 823936;1410304007;asciilifeform;likewise, with casino, cheat has two basic options - win a little, but have to return many times - or win gigantic barrels, but then intense scrutiny. 823937;1410304039;cazalla;what they do here to clean the money is feed it in, have a couple spins, withdraw it from machine and it's deemed a win then 823938;1410304100;cazalla;apparently it's like half the revenue from memory 823939;1410304111;asciilifeform;unless i somehow misunderstand, btc atm that eats usd removes all of the element of risk from counterfeiting 823940;1410304159;asciilifeform;which is one more reason why mircea_popescu's prediction from earlier (that the 'saecular authorities' will not molest those who plunder or destroy btc atms) is likely to come true. 823941;1410304178;asciilifeform;the machines will be blamed for every faux benjamin that turns up, wherever. 823942;1410304392;cazalla;what's to stop you buying a robocoin, print up some fakes and start draining the machine seeing you're not the one providing the bitcoins it dispenses? 823943;1410304437;asciilifeform;wait - they actually franchise these ? 823944;1410304440;asciilifeform;lol! 823945;1410304503;assbot;Last 3 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/3SK6EXX.txt ) 823946;1410304503;BingoBoingo;!b 3 823947;1410304531;jurov;cazalla afaik owner is responsible for cash management himself 823948;1410304534;cazalla;well they provide the liquidity from exchanges compared to say a lamassu where the owner provides the coins and it can go empty 823949;1410304545;jurov;they are not that foolhardy 823950;1410304587;mircea_popescu; must be a template cuz the logo sucks and doesnt match at all <<< looks like it. 823951;1410304590;jurov;but do they exchange btc for cash? i doubt that, i think owner has to bring the cash to bank and wire them 823952;1410304610;cazalla;why would you want cash though? 823953;1410304623;mircea_popescu; til << this is the case in slovakia too. look around. 823954;1410304646;jurov;yes, but camera is not in the front of face 823955;1410304665;jurov;it's usually nearby of atm 823956;1410304684;mircea_popescu;well ok 823957;1410304688;mircea_popescu;this must be a compact design 823958;1410304737;cazalla;i guess you could always step a homeless guy through it and pay him for his time, handprint, ID etc 823959;1410304744;mircea_popescu; with machine - owner finds out, possibly weeks or months later, when he himself is prosecuted << there's really no prosecution. i've had fake bills in the common course of business multiple times all over. it happens. 823960;1410304802;mircea_popescu; you can try 1,000 variants until works. << you can buy one and try safely. 823961;1410304808;asciilifeform;that also. 823962;1410304821;asciilifeform;this is how most 'pro' machine diddlers of all kinds roll, incidentally. 823963;1410304833;asciilifeform;what better than to saw it open and reverse at one's leisure. 823964;1410304953;jurov;from #monero: 823965;1410304962;jurov; yea i spend 1.5euro/day to make 0.15 let's scale it up! 823966;1410304969;jurov; that's a good margin actualy 823967;1410304978;mircea_popescu;!s "loss on every sale" 823968;1410304979;assbot;1 results for '"loss on every sale"' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=%22loss+on+every+sale%22 823969;1410304982;mircea_popescu;ha! 823970;1410305066;mircea_popescu;<cazalla> i guess you could always step a homeless guy << fun fact : police in timisoara started getting bonuses by total fine volume. total fine volume went up. total fine arrears went way up. city hall in hot water over it, turns out... 823971;1410305074;mircea_popescu;all the bums owed massive fines for all sorts of things. 823972;1410305127;mircea_popescu;romanian law is quite permissive : if he can't pay and has no income, you can convict the guy to community service. 823973;1410305134;mircea_popescu;if he doesn't show up... well... that's a fine. 823974;1410305207;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: in usa, never such a problem. they'd simply confiscate houses, cars, mattresses of money, until shortfall vanishes. 823975;1410305251;mircea_popescu;these were town cops, recently created, coed force, most of the girls ex hookers. 823976;1410305274;mircea_popescu;i actually got blown by policewoman off main square just for the pedigree. 823977;1410305288;asciilifeform;lol! 823978;1410305385;mircea_popescu;so i leave there and come here, right ? guess what. the town is creating its own town police force, to escape from federal jurisdiction. 823979;1410305390;mircea_popescu;it's like a time threadmill. 823980;1410305400;cazalla;mircea_popescu, hilarious 823981;1410305448;mircea_popescu;it's something else, their uniform actually included heels. 823982;1410305462;mircea_popescu;the ro ones i mean. 823983;1410305478;jurov;we even have an euphemism "social worker" exactly for this 823984;1410305515;mircea_popescu;im all in favour, incidentally. what are the girls to do ? 823985;1410305569;*;asciilifeform pictures a future, arabian btc atm, with built-in hand chopper for those who trip some alarm or other. 823986;1410305581;mircea_popescu;nobody'd use it. 823987;1410305604;asciilifeform;nobody'd use it << who the hell wants to use today's, with its palm scanner ? 823988;1410305618;asciilifeform;almost as discouraging. 823989;1410305674;mircea_popescu;uh ? 823990;1410305688;jurov;i'd prefer it'd accept teeth.. iirc mircea asserted they are very hard to fake 823991;1410305718;mircea_popescu;dude, you ever got blown ? palm scanner != hand chopper just like being sucked off != having your cock bit off. 823992;1410305735;mircea_popescu;palmformation wants to be free damnit. 823993;1410305767;jurov;actually needs not be cut off. just held fast by vacuum till reinforcements arrive 823994;1410305772;mircea_popescu;also, to encourage the nwo fighters : here in argentina, you can't have a signature certified by any notary unless you leave a thumbprint on the paper. they have little ink things and errything. 823995;1410305949;mircea_popescu;http://bitbet.us/bet/635/1btc-10-000-usd/ 823996;1410305949;assbot;BitBet - 1BTC >= $10,000 USD :: 75 B (9%) on Yes, 737.19 B (91%) on No | closing in 2 months 1 week| weight: 19`804 (100`000 to 1) 823997;1410305960;mircea_popescu;10:1 this and 13:1 that ThickAsThieves ? srsly nao. 823998;1410306014;asciilifeform;re: automatic punishers, obligatory: 823999;1410306015;asciilifeform;http://37.media.tumblr.com/ffcf65fd4cdffb7ad94b06e7f870be76/tumblr_moca4vfgiu1qz4yqio1_1280.jpg 824000;1410306048;asciilifeform;(that's -exactly- how i pictured it. and why herr kafka never gets credit for inventing dot-matrix printer, i'll never understand. this confounded me as a schoolboy.) 824001;1410306070;jurov;did you ask the teacher? 824002;1410306079;asciilifeform;what teacher. 824003;1410306108;jurov;o kafka was your extracurricular activity? 824004;1410306109;mircea_popescu;you were schoolboy in the lake ? 824005;1410306115;asciilifeform;lol 824006;1410306151;asciilifeform;beautiful comic, but missing the gag pad, which is why i even remembered about der strafkolonie - jurov's toothmark authenticator. 824007;1410306183;jurov;lol that would be good app for ipad 824008;1410306189;jurov;in line with personal weight 824009;1410306283;jurov;http://imgur.com/Hayx0 824010;1410306283;assbot;Some asshole told me I could use my ipad to weigh myself - Imgur 824011;1410306366;*;jurov goes on binge with crazy iApps: http://krapps.com/2010/04/23/wart-healer-iphone-app/ 824012;1410306368;assbot;Genital Warts? This Amazing iPhone App Can Help! | KRAPPS | a different and funny iPhone app review site 824013;1410306471;asciilifeform;''There are straps for the hands here, for the feet here, and for the throat here, to tie him in securely. At the head of the bed here, where the man, as I have mentioned, first lies face down, is this small protruding lump of felt, which can easily be adjusted so that it presses right into the man’s mouth. Its purpose is to prevent him screaming and biting his tongue to pieces. Of course, the man has to let t 824014;1410306471;asciilifeform;he felt in his mouth—otherwise the straps around his throat would break his neck.” “That’s cotton wool?” asked the Traveler and bent down. “Yes, it is,” said the Officer smiling,“feel it for yourself.”'' 824015;1410306500;asciilifeform;(i. johnston's translation. lifted from http://www.cwrl.utexas.edu/~davis/crs/e321/Kafka-PenalColony.pdf) 824016;1410306500;assbot;404 Not Found 824017;1410306605;mircea_popescu;space after url ftr. 824018;1410306619;asciilifeform;aha 824019;1410306632;jurov;http://krapps.com/2011/01/08/sexy-star-wars-pinups/ i'll leave this here 824020;1410306633;assbot;Sexy Star Wars Pinups - EWWW! | KRAPPS | a different and funny iPhone app review site 824021;1410306689;mircea_popescu;jurov btw that ro kid ever got in touch ? 824022;1410306796;jurov;what kid? i forgot 824023;1410306861;mircea_popescu;the one with the repackaged gentoo or what was it 824024;1410306869;mircea_popescu;yeah, gentoo 824025;1410306959;jurov;if he contacted me i'd likely remember 824026;1410307013;mircea_popescu;kids today are too shy. 824027;1410307034;jurov;clearly not beaten enough 824028;1410307043;assbot;Last 2 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/0KRYEZQ.txt ) 824029;1410307043;mircea_popescu;!b 2 824030;1410307051;mircea_popescu;zing a zing ding ding ding 824031;1410307160;mircea_popescu;http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9H_vkhc6yFQ << check out this fucking derp. 824032;1410307160;assbot;PNL: programacin neurolingstica - YouTube 824033;1410307201;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: hypnosis ? 824034;1410307209;mircea_popescu;nlp. 824035;1410307566;BingoBoingo;Apple naming is retarding, what the fuck is up with a watch, watch edition 824036;1410307829;devthedev;Who knows? The device seems pretty feature rich though. 824037;1410307876;mircea_popescu;o, they launched a new isomething ? 824038;1410307935;BingoBoingo;Yeah, some sort of wrist screen. Three version. watch, watch sport edition, and watch watch edition 824039;1410307969;mircea_popescu;i think it's a star trek trope this, the magic watch 824040;1410307972;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: looks quite like their smallest 'ipod' product, but with straps on. 824041;1410307973;mircea_popescu;no wait. bond, was it ? 824042;1410307989;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: It really does. 824043;1410307993;mircea_popescu;http://38.media.tumblr.com/927a6345b6090367454dd78b57cbd037/tumblr_n1dw775zW31rmrwgqo1_1280.jpg << somewhat related. 824044;1410308034;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: what waveform did you use ? 824045;1410308049;mircea_popescu;lol not my pic, and it looks like dc. 824046;1410308064;asciilifeform;banana jack colours can deceive. 824047;1410308080;mircea_popescu;true this. 824048;1410308111;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [HASH] 1000 @ 0.0015 = 1.5 BTC [+] {5} 824049;1410308138;mircea_popescu;o btw, did i ever tell you how i illustrated the concept of current as a thing to bright young minds ? 824050;1410308167;asciilifeform;use square wave with no dc offset (or your partner will grumble, chemical burns from hcl) 824051;1410308222;asciilifeform;salt water is great for electric chair, where the action is over in minutes, but useless here. use the green gel that is sold for eeg machines. 824052;1410308245;asciilifeform;concept of current ? 824053;1410308261;mircea_popescu;myeah. 824054;1410308276;asciilifeform;let's guess - explained via demonstration. 824055;1410308283;mircea_popescu;get a steppable transformer. wrap packing tin foil around dildo, insert. set transformer to low voltage, short over dildo-clit. 824056;1410308289;mircea_popescu;set transformer on high voltage, short idem. 824057;1410308308;mircea_popescu;the burn being the same in both cases, shows that current is current. 824058;1410308321;mircea_popescu;proceed to explain wattage, voltage, amperage. 824059;1410308433;asciilifeform;bad demo. meat is not an ideal resistive load. 824060;1410308468;mircea_popescu;so you only use it on feminist chicklets that think the cunt is an ideal material. 824061;1410308481;asciilifeform;http://soundlab.cs.princeton.edu/learning/tutorials/sensors/img29.gif 824062;1410308482;asciilifeform;lol 824063;1410308514;mircea_popescu;anyway. experimentally it's pretty close, and when coupled with the subjectivistor inside the subject's skull it works fine. 824064;1410308557;mircea_popescu;(ie, i didn't measure the effects, i inquired as to the effects) 824065;1410308588;*;asciilifeform used a constant-current amplifier 824066;1410308616;asciilifeform;http://www.eecs.tufts.edu/~dsculley/tutorial/opamps/opAmpCurrentSource.JPG << like this. 824067;1410308626;mircea_popescu;was this as part of brain plasticity experiments ? 824068;1410308638;asciilifeform;byproduct of different experiment. 824069;1410308676;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=07-02-2014#487646 824070;1410308677;assbot;Logged on 07-02-2014 18:15:28; asciilifeform: confession: at one point when i was younger, i did succumb to the temptation to replicate various soviet experiments and put current through my brain. 824071;1410308679;asciilifeform;had apparatus left over. 824072;1410308691;mircea_popescu;lol 824073;1410308847;mircea_popescu;since we're doing scary biostuff, http://33.media.tumblr.com/f63c5beaf6f9a4f8a2a229ed2e96ed0d/tumblr_n5b4pxJTPB1r4lyg6o1_400.gif 824074;1410308875;kakobrekla; Logged on 07-02-2014 18:15:28; asciilifeform: confession: at one point when i was younger, i did succumb to the temptation to replicate various soviet experiments and put current through my brain. < looks like it worked wonders 824075;1410308883;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: that's gotta be fake 824076;1410308892;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform why ? 824077;1410308951;asciilifeform;what kind of meat propagates wave like solid block of sorbothane. 824078;1410308982;mircea_popescu;girlfat ? 824079;1410309040;mircea_popescu;isn't sorbothane based on studying female thighs anyway ? 824080;1410309049;*;asciilifeform showed to pet, who believes it's plausible 824081;1410309070;mircea_popescu;im pretty sure it's factual. 824082;1410309115;kakobrekla;asciilifeform any particular voltage / current one should aim for? 824083;1410309125;asciilifeform;kakobrekla: in which experiment. 824084;1410309129;mircea_popescu;kakobrekla you're not seriously going to do this ? 824085;1410309146;asciilifeform;kakobrekla: if mircea_popescu's - why ask me. ask your playmates. 824086;1410309148;mircea_popescu;now listen here kako. i can live with the cardano taking forever. but bitbet gotta stay online. 824087;1410309154;asciilifeform;lol 824088;1410309158;mircea_popescu;hehe 824089;1410309163;kakobrekla;lol 824090;1410309185;kakobrekla;well ok i wont do it now that you pointed that out 824091;1410309191;kakobrekla;still curious about the values, ascii? 824092;1410309226;asciilifeform;kakobrekla: again, values for which. girlfat, or for stage 4 sleep? 824093;1410309250;kakobrekla;ah sorry i thought that got cleared out. the current through brain. 824094;1410309284;mircea_popescu;lampelina run honey. i'll keep him busy. 824095;1410309293;kakobrekla;lol 824096;1410309314;asciilifeform;kakobrekla: for the latter, i never found a satisfactory setting where i could pronounce the old papers - replicated. but the usual idea is to set 100-200 Hz, square wave (some insist sinusoid instead), constant current (not constant voltage) output, and ramp up from zero. 824097;1410309333;kakobrekla;logged 824098;1410309334;mircea_popescu;anyone here know norman spinrad ? 824099;1410309367;kakobrekla;perhaps we even discussed this in ro but i forgot 824100;1410309371;asciilifeform;kakobrekla: used own replica of old soviet mask, anode on eyelids, cathode on occiput 824101;1410309390;kakobrekla;fun 824102;1410309471;mircea_popescu;i'd have imagined it'd be temple to temple 824103;1410309506;asciilifeform;nope. afaik that never worked. 824104;1410309512;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: Current through the temporal lobes alone likely has undesirable side effects 824105;1410309518;asciilifeform;americans, if i recall, tried ear-to-ear. 824106;1410309525;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo like ? 824107;1410309541;asciilifeform;(there's a commercial product in usa with earclips, forget which.) 824108;1410309567;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: Well, temporal lobe is where most of the electical dysfunctions happen in most forms of epilepsy. 824109;1410309585;mircea_popescu;but you can't give yourself epilepsy 824110;1410309603;mircea_popescu;hm. i guess if you stress a weak system it may come huh. 824111;1410309608;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: actually, there's a way. 824112;1410309613;BingoBoingo;Called kindling effect 824113;1410309649;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: i vaguely recall an experiment from the '70s where everyone who was placed in apparatus had seizure. from ordinary flash lamp - but not at the familiar 20hz which sets off known sufferers 824114;1410309655;BingoBoingo;Accidently yourself enough seizures, they'll start coming on their own. 824115;1410309657;mircea_popescu;pity one can't resolve vitus' dance by just putting current through to reset things 824116;1410309658;asciilifeform;but tied to eeg peaks of victim. 824117;1410309692;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform see, that'd be much better interrogation technique. 824118;1410309698;*;asciilifeform read this many years ago, and wondered if anyone tried the obvious next step 824119;1410309717;asciilifeform;that is, record what pattern of flashes is necessary, for average victim, and play back 824120;1410309740;asciilifeform;Obligatory: 824121;1410309741;asciilifeform;http://www.infinityplus.co.uk/stories/blit.htm 824122;1410309742;assbot;BLIT - a short story by David Langford 824123;1410310638;mircea_popescu;holy shit. 824124;1410310656;mircea_popescu;apparently there was a case of a symptomatic rabies patient that survived. 824125;1410310661;mircea_popescu;;;google milwaukee protocol 824126;1410310662;gribble;Milwaukee protocol - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: ; Failure of the Milwaukee Protocol in a Child With Rabies: ; Rabies may not be the invincible killer we thought - health - 21 June ...: 10:1 this and 13:1 that ThickAsThieves ? srsly nao. // is that the 10000btcusd bet odds vs the 31b diff bet odds? 824130;1410311246;mircea_popescu;yep 824131;1410311264;ThickAsThieves;10000btc seems much less likely imo 824132;1410311271;mircea_popescu;exactly. 824133;1410311293;mircea_popescu;and it's priced 10:1 which seems reasonable more or less. 824134;1410311328;ThickAsThieves;i bet Yes 824135;1410311360;ThickAsThieves;youre welcome whoever... maybe! 824136;1410311371;mircea_popescu;lol 824137;1410311441;ThickAsThieves;so i'm playing with this 1BRCXE challenge 824138;1410311453;ThickAsThieves;where the fuck does the order book come from? 824139;1410311462;ThickAsThieves;1BTCXE* 824140;1410311480;ThickAsThieves;https://1btcxe.com/buy-sell.php 824141;1410311482;assbot;Login 824142;1410311511;ThickAsThieves;seems like it might just be a random market excercise and not tied to real market at all 824143;1410311560;ThickAsThieves;lol: 824144;1410311563;ThickAsThieves;We won't allow placing buy-limit orders at 20% or more below the market price. 824145;1410311563;ThickAsThieves;We won't allow placing buy-limit orders at a price below that of the user's sell-stop orders. 824146;1410311563;ThickAsThieves;We won't allow placing sell-stop orders at a price above that of the user's buy-limit orders. 824147;1410311567;asciilifeform;mega-lol >> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KfsWoNpHg2s << had no idea someone had an english translation of this. 824148;1410311567;assbot;The Volga Boatmen - sung by Paul Robeson - YouTube 824149;1410311591;ThickAsThieves;"circuit-breaker measures" 824150;1410311647;mircea_popescu;weirdo arbitrary nonsense. 824151;1410311650;mircea_popescu;anyway 824152;1410312097;thestringpuller;!l m s.mpoe 824153;1410312097;assbot;Last trade for S.MPOE on MPEX was at 0.00077114 BTC [-] 824154;1410312107;thestringpuller;;;ticker 824155;1410312109;gribble;Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 474.17, Best ask: 475.47, Bid-ask spread: 1.30000, Last trade: 475.48, 24 hour volume: 9446.51164521, 24 hour low: 459.18, 24 hour high: 476.4, 24 hour vwap: 467.933946682 824156;1410312357;BingoBoingo;http://valleywag.gawker.com/clinkle-ceos-statement-on-apple-pay-reads-like-a-eulogy-1632726709/+gabriellebluestone 824157;1410312358;assbot;Clinkle CEO's Statement On Apple Pay Reads Like a Eulogy 824158;1410312911;*;asciilifeform never heard of a 'clinkle' before - and guesses that it might be a service which lets you nominate people for the clink. 824159;1410312947;BingoBoingo;It's payment fro smartphones, but by Sound!!! 824160;1410312954;asciilifeform;snore. 824161;1410312970;BingoBoingo;Exactly, but it raised 30 million dollars 824162;1410313004;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-08-2014#814484 824163;1410313004;assbot;Logged on 29-08-2014 04:46:41; asciilifeform: mike church was ripped a new arse here, but he had a good piece on how such 'laundries' work 824164;1410313079;BingoBoingo;Indeed 824165;1410313834;BingoBoingo;Oh, apparently the brain electricity stuff for sleep et al is being commercialized https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cranial_electrotherapy_stimulation 824166;1410313835;assbot;Cranial electrotherapy stimulation - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia 824167;1410313853;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: long ago. 824168;1410313875;BingoBoingo;Well, introduced into the US with approvals recently 824169;1410315205;kakobrekla;since we are still on a brain frying subject, is there any explanation to why 100-200hz is the shit 824170;1410315231;asciilifeform;kakobrekla: last i checked - none that had predictive power (i.e. worth bothering with.) 824171;1410315308;kakobrekla;mkay 824172;1410315343;asciilifeform;kakobrekla: latest fashion is magnetically-induced currents. 824173;1410315393;asciilifeform;for good overview, see wassermann, epstein & ziemann - 'oxford handbook of transcranial stimulation' 824174;1410315419;kakobrekla;sounds like a beach read 824175;1410315440;asciilifeform;at this point there's probably a 'for dummies' 824176;1410315453;kakobrekla;lol 824177;1410315460;asciilifeform;the machines are now ubiquitous 824178;1410315497;asciilifeform;(helmholtz coil with plumbing for water - must actively cool - and a power source similar to what one might find in a large stroboscope.) 824179;1410315529;asciilifeform;i once set about building this one too - but life got in the way. 824180;1410315542;asciilifeform;if you want one - 'ebay.' 824181;1410315615;asciilifeform;re: 100hz - i do lean towards the soviet hypothesis that at least a third of the sleep cycle is a vestigial waste of time. 824182;1410315633;asciilifeform;but i was not able to replicate the famous result of going straight 'to the goods' 824183;1410315689;The20YearIRCloud;So shock therapy is old? 824184;1410315701;asciilifeform;'shock therapy' is entirely different affair 824185;1410315705;asciilifeform;10-100x the current. 824186;1410315711;asciilifeform;induced seizures. 824187;1410315726;asciilifeform;it, too, is still used. quite popular in usa, i'm told. 824188;1410315772;asciilifeform;now with anaesthetics, so no more picturesque screaming madman in straps 824189;1410315791;asciilifeform;just a fellow a few thousand $ poorer and with episodic memory loss. 824190;1410316179;TheNewDeal;ding ding ding 824191;1410316285;The20YearIRCloud;How is everyone? 824192;1410317343;TheNewDeal;grrrrrrrrreat 824193;1410320899;The20YearIRCloud;so how's the exchange doing? 824194;1410324581;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 1100 @ 0.00063924 = 0.7032 BTC [+] {4} 824195;1410325293;asciilifeform;kakobrekla, BingoBoingo: i remembered the american firm that made electrocranial something-or-others - 'alpha-stim.' but i never tried or even saw their gadget - and, a bit dubious, smells a little of spam. 824196;1410325349;asciilifeform;but it does pop up once or twice in refereed journals, apparently. 824197;1410325428;*;asciilifeform has an entire book shelf of ancient crapolade re: electrocranial diddlage from 1940s up, in 4 languages. all decaying xerocopies. ought to scan in one day... 824198;1410327936;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5865 @ 0.00076844 = 4.5069 BTC [+] 824199;1410330254;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 50 @ 0.010639 = 0.532 BTC [-] 824200;1410332267;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 50 @ 0.01063957 = 0.532 BTC [+] {4} 824201;1410333551;RagnarDanneskjol;http://www.smh.com.au/it-pro/business-it/paypal-to-accept-payments-in-bitcoin-20140909-10emi7.html 824202;1410333903;cazalla;meh, smh is a rag 824203;1410333912;cazalla;"Bitcoin prices have swung between more than $US900 to as low as $US341 this year as enthusiasts try to address the digital currency's weaknesses, persuade consumers to embrace it and overcome governments' concerns that it could be misused by criminals. " ok lol 824204;1410333996;RagnarDanneskjol;its the first I'd heard anything definitive about bitcoin-paypal 824205;1410334004;RagnarDanneskjol;http://www.thehindubusinessline.com/industry-and-economy/banking/sbi-launches-multicurrency-international-card/article6390903.ece 824206;1410334005;assbot;SBI launches multi-currency international card | Business Line 824207;1410336903;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8923 @ 0.00076653 = 6.8397 BTC [-] 824208;1410339465;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 1150 @ 0.00061435 = 0.7065 BTC [-] {2} 824209;1410346316;RagnarDanneskjol;http://www.valuewalk.com/2014/09/currency-risk-equity-exposure/ 824210;1410346316;assbot;Don't Layer Currency Risk on Top of Equity Exposure 824211;1410347546;fluffypony;xmj: around? 824212;1410347571;xmj;fluffypony: si 824213;1410347583;xmj;fluffypony: How may I help you on this bright Wednesday ;) 824214;1410347635;fluffypony;xmj: so oaes_lib uses ftime() like a retard, and we don't have spare contributors to rewrite the two places its used to rather use gettimeofday - is there anything particularly wrong with using -lcompat for the moment till we can see to that? 824215;1410347657;xmj;that's c, or c++ ? 824216;1410347657;fluffypony;also the original oaes_lib author seems to eschew modernising it, so we may dump it completely at some stage rather than bother 824217;1410347664;fluffypony;C 824218;1410347671;xmj;hrm, i'm not a c dev 824219;1410347692;xmj;if you're interested in having that question answered from a BSD perspective, you could try #bsdports on efnet 824220;1410347698;fluffypony;kk 824221;1410347702;xmj;there's plenty of people who could answer it 824222;1410347731;xmj;what's oaeslib do? 824223;1410347749;fluffypony;open aes 824224;1410347773;fluffypony;code.google.com/p/openaes/ 824225;1410347882;xmj;hum 824226;1410347890;xmj;that's not AES-Ni is it? 824227;1410347898;fluffypony;no 824228;1410347908;xmj;hang on.. 824229;1410349626;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo: Oh, apparently the brain electricity stuff for sleep et al is being commercialized << well of course, everything's being commercialised, from cow piss (redbull) to an app to prove you're rich. dun really much matter if it works, as long as someone somewhere thought of it, it's available to buy. 824230;1410349630;mircea_popescu;gotta keep teh economy out. 824231;1410349633;mircea_popescu;i mean up 824232;1410349679;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform: re: 100hz - i do lean towards the soviet hypothesis that at least a third of the sleep cycle is a vestigial waste of time. <<< why ? 824233;1410349701;xmj;BingoBoingo: brain electricity sleep stuff is prone to commercial failure, see Zeo. 824234;1410349705;mircea_popescu;to me all this "let's improve sleep" stuff reads a lot like "this cnc control code would be a lot better if we took out all sleep() references" 824235;1410349732;xmj;BingoBoingo: you can *technically* exist on 2h of pure REM sleep a day. 824236;1410349742;mircea_popescu;The20YearIRCloud: So shock therapy is old? << just about contemporaneous with electricity itself. 824237;1410349749;xmj;I know people who have done so for long(er) stretches of times 824238;1410349769;xmj;fluffypony: I got confused. aren't AES routines implemented by libcrypto? 824239;1410349845;fluffypony;xmj: afair this is used in the PoW, so it uses openaes for speed 824240;1410349900;xmj;PoW? 824241;1410349911;mircea_popescu;fluffypony afaik lcompat just does a gettimeofday clal anyway 824242;1410349916;mircea_popescu;xmj proof of work eh. 824243;1410349919;xmj;gotcha 824244;1410349921;fluffypony;mircea_popescu: yes exactly 824245;1410349927;fluffypony;lcompat seems to be working fine 824246;1410349941;xmj;fluffypony: thing being, iff it uses AES AND iff AES needs to be fast, you'll want to look into crypto(4) and aesni(4) 824247;1410349942;fluffypony;but going to actually rip this out and rewrite it to use gettimeofday on bsd 824248;1410349953;mircea_popescu;i wouldn't expect any problems. in fact it's probably better reviewed code than w/e it's been replaced with anyway. 824249;1410349977;*;xmj still waits for OpenSSL to be replaced with LibreSSL on FreeBSD 824250;1410350061;mircea_popescu;other than proper cryptography for all foss, as discussed coupla days re gentoo overlays etc, i would fucking love for all lines of code to come with a counter. 824251;1410350068;mircea_popescu;"how many times this was read. increment by hand" 824252;1410350096;mircea_popescu;as a v0.1. then for v0.2 of this, have an actual crypto signed procedure where everyone who reads a line of code signs and it's wot-abble this. 824253;1410350122;mircea_popescu;that's what github'd be doing, if it weren't wasting its time with imbecile females vying for attention the only way imbecile females know how. 824254;1410350231;mircea_popescu;anyone want to make a fork of git and implement all this ? 824255;1410350911;RagnarDanneskjol;yes 824256;1410351024;xmj;mircea_popescu: do feel free to put your money where your mouth is. 824257;1410351032;xmj;i'm sure you'll find lots of people who love paying for this 824258;1410351063;mircea_popescu;xmj what exactly makes you think my money isn't where my mouth is, nooblet ? 824259;1410351132;xmj;oh here we go again 824260;1410351138;xmj;/ignore -replies mircea_popescu 824261;1410351154;mircea_popescu;RagnarDanneskjol ima wait for delivery on that other thing first, and i have a queue there anyway. 824262;1410351163;xmj;better. 824263;1410351164;mircea_popescu;ie, i'll need another bot after that one 824264;1410351224;RagnarDanneskjol;He and Alz had a long convo about it a few hours ago.. also put him in touch with chetty - discussed gribble for eulora 824265;1410351241;mircea_popescu;gribble for eulora ? wut ? 824266;1410351245;RagnarDanneskjol;he is going to deliver way ahead of schedule I believe 824267;1410351293;chetty;mircea_popescu, said there should be a gribble npc ... 824268;1410351321;mircea_popescu;o, in the monthly report ? 824269;1410351341;mircea_popescu;i read "gribble for #eulora" for some reason. 824270;1410351363;RagnarDanneskjol;oh - that too 824271;1410351386;mircea_popescu;lol this guy. hey RagnarDanneskjol is there something you won't try to do ? :D 824272;1410351399;RagnarDanneskjol;no homo 824273;1410351417;mircea_popescu;you coming for the $conference incidentally ? 824274;1410351428;RagnarDanneskjol;which? 824275;1410351455;mircea_popescu;$conference 824276;1410351457;empyex;mircea_popescu: Next conference starts in 7 months and 7 days. Estimated cost today: 2.76775979 BTC (Details: http://trilema.com/2014/the-conference-third-edition/ ) 824277;1410351542;RagnarDanneskjol;sure, sounds fun. I missed that 824278;1410351612;mircea_popescu;that's why that bot command is so handy. easy to miss things in the deluge. 824279;1410351625;mircea_popescu;i think fluffypony was going to charter a plane or i dun remember how that went. 824280;1410351661;RagnarDanneskjol;nice. so are you staying in BA for the forseeable future (not that its any my business) 824281;1410351663;fluffypony;we haven't really pursued that idea, the nice charters are very expensive per-person even if we fill the plane 824282;1410351715;mircea_popescu;RagnarDanneskjol yeah. fluffypony i imagined :p 824283;1410352051;mircea_popescu;o hey, there's something for xmj https://bitcointa.lk/threads/popescud-need-not-be-a-verb-nor-a-discussion-all-say-aye-say-aye-aye.286274/ 824284;1410352051;assbot;Popescu'd need not be a verb nor a discussion. All say aye.., say AYE!, "AYE!" | Bitcointa.lk 824285;1410353070;mircea_popescu;http://33.media.tumblr.com/16f4a23c3513a7073668fff76fe5d882/tumblr_n5nl0rB2mf1sc74vfo1_500.jpg << talking about teh human condition... 824286;1410354985;mircea_popescu;http://i.imgur.com/OCvuUxX.gif 824287;1410355026;nubbins`;so i've got these two new roomies 824288;1410355048;nubbins`;one of 'em just got a job at canada's top restaurant, which is, conveniently, just a short tumble down the hill from here 824289;1410355067;nubbins`;current plan is to injure his legs and confine him to the kitchen here 824290;1410355093;xmj;solid plan 824291;1410355104;xmj;nubbins`: alternatively you could -ask- them 824292;1410355120;nubbins`;oh he's already said he's gonna recreate some menu items for us 824293;1410355124;nubbins`;i just want to seal the deal 824294;1410355127;nubbins`;related: http://www.theglobeandmail.com/life/food-and-wine/food-trends/jeremy-charles-canadas-real-top-chef/article20495580/ 824295;1410355127;assbot;Jeremy Charles: Canadas real top chef - The Globe and Mail 824296;1410355138;cazalla;https://twitter.com/aantonop/status/509458562167226368 this cunt is coming to australia 824297;1410355139;assbot;My November speaking tour is coming together: LA, Sydney, Melbourne, Auckland, Queenstown 824298;1410355201;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform "computer monitor of better than 600 x 300 pixels resolution." pandering to the new ega displays i see ? :D 824299;1410355218;nubbins`;^ lel 824300;1410355236;mircea_popescu;you wanna seal the deal by breaking a guy's legs ? 824301;1410355241;mircea_popescu;jesus canucks are tought. 824302;1410355247;nubbins`;i'd like a gribble module that polls alf's output for interesting short stories 824303;1410355255;nubbins`;mircea_popescu the climate made us this way 824304;1410355272;mircea_popescu;no wonder all the eskimos are gone with only some scroungy inuit left 824305;1410355276;nubbins`;it's only with the advent of higher temperatures that we've mellowed. 10 years ago i woulda had the guy surgically attached to the kitchen counter 824306;1410355276;mircea_popescu;YOU FUCKEM ATE THEM DIDNT YOU 824307;1410355313;nubbins`;heh 824308;1410355327;mircea_popescu;cazalla lol speaking tours. this is roughly the equivalent of the plague, don't envy a man his misery. 824309;1410355341;nubbins`;besides, the aboriginal people in this province are generally innu; you'd have to go a lot farther for inuit 824310;1410355373;mircea_popescu;you mean Two Dogs isn't originally populated by dogs ? 824311;1410355422;nubbins`;in fact, both were bred from an animal called the St. John's Water Dog 824312;1410355446;nubbins`;itself, a mixture of portuguese, english, and irish working dogs 824313;1410355451;nubbins`;why in the fuck do i know all this? 824314;1410355462;mircea_popescu;because you're canadian, and that makes you weird ? :D 824315;1410355488;nubbins`;heh. 824316;1410355494;nubbins`;golden retrievers come from this same stock 824317;1410355504;mircea_popescu;anyway, one wonders what happens when a coupla gals working canada's best whorehouse move in with nubsy. 824318;1410355505;nubbins`;almost all modern retrievers, in fact 824319;1410355525;nubbins`;mp: "in fact, the clitoris is located above the vulva, not below" 824320;1410355531;mircea_popescu;surgically attached to toilet bowl, shower curtain or bedstand ? 824321;1410355552;nubbins`;toilet bowl, wtf? 824322;1410355556;nubbins`;"this one just shits" 824323;1410355569;mircea_popescu;"here i shit, here i piss, here i come" 824324;1410355782;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform anyway, the fundamnetal idea is sound. if one could weaponize idiocy at will one wouldn't need any further wishes from the djinn. 824325;1410355821;nubbins`;i feel like there's loot to be made with one of those bitcoin ATMs here, but i also feel like i can't be fucked to manage an ATM 824326;1410356122;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform anyway, the close is flawed. the mind can not on its own recreate the damagingly illogical. this is pretty much the largest most important safety we have. 824327;1410356159;mircea_popescu;it's a biological protection on the level of "dead by holding his own breath", except implemented in nature rather than in the body. 824328;1410356489;nubbins`;ah, in the normal run of events, sure. 824329;1410356506;nubbins`;go visit a bughouse and tell me none of those people recreated the damagingly illogical :D 824330;1410356543;mircea_popescu;nubbins` http://www.infinityplus.co.uk/stories/blit.htm 824331;1410356543;assbot;BLIT - a short story by David Langford 824332;1410356557;mircea_popescu;it's a sf story about how the exposure to fractals make brains pop. 824333;1410356560;nubbins`;(i know a guy who claims he's had a cube stuck inside his brain for ~17 years. he declines to elaborate) 824334;1410356568;nubbins`;yah, i read that last night 824335;1410356570;nubbins`;good one 824336;1410356590;nubbins`;snow crash, same idea but novel-length and w/ language rather than sight 824337;1410356613;nubbins`;and, inexplicably, an adult male having sex with a female child 824338;1410356723;mircea_popescu;sf is period code for weirdo 824339;1410356734;mircea_popescu;much like queer used to be code for weirdo 824340;1410356782;mircea_popescu;so for some inexplainable reason 93% of all the comment spam sent to trilema has to do with bags 824341;1410356786;mircea_popescu;ie, women's handbags. 824342;1410356786;mircea_popescu;wtf. 824343;1410356787;nubbins`;sci-fi eye on the straight guy 824344;1410356833;ThickAsThieves;<+mircea_popescu> it's a sf story about how the exposure to fractals make brains pop. /// a couple weeks ago i was charting for hours on end, using fib spirals and picking apart fractal patterns, and this repeating melody started in my head, not a song i knew, just a sequence. It was there for a day or two. First time I was musically inspired in a while. 824345;1410356852;mircea_popescu;not bad. 824346;1410356920;mircea_popescu;im curious who's gonna be the first b-a alumn to become famous in an unrelated field. 824347;1410356961;mircea_popescu;(i also have a bet with some unfriendly parties as to whether that film' gonna be criminal insanity or not, but that's a different story) 824348;1410356970;mircea_popescu;s/film/first/ 824349;1410356994;ThickAsThieves;bitcoin has nasty habit of consuming "unrelated fields" 824350;1410357035;nubbins`;http://www.zimbio.com/pictures/U33LTcjZhGN/MTV+TRL+Presents+Jonas+Brothers+T+Lady+GaGa/1zXNO2Hhne-/John+Keefe 824351;1410357035;assbot;John Keefe Pictures - MTV TRL Presents The Jonas Brothers, T.I., Lady GaGa and Boys Like Girls - Zimbio 824352;1410357045;nubbins`;that douche on the left has essentially the same name as me 824353;1410357051;nubbins`;closest i've gotten to fame so far 824354;1410357067;nubbins`;infamy, i'm already there. but fame? different story 824355;1410357409;nubbins`;[11:25:53] samO__ (6d5dedf1@unaffiliated/samo) left IRC. (Changing host) 824356;1410357409;nubbins`;[11:25:53] samO__ (6d5dedf1@gateway/web/freenode/ip.109.93.237.241) joined the channel. 824357;1410357412;nubbins`;mask on a web client? 824358;1410357526;mircea_popescu;infamy ? how are you infamous ? 824359;1410357548;mircea_popescu;and yes, you can login with nameserv from a webirc session as well as from any other session 824360;1410358029;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: vestigial waste of time. <<< why <<<< if you pharmacologically zap stages 3 and 4 of sleep - eventually death. stages 1 and 2 are spandrels. they're, as far as anybody knows, worthless - if you sleep only 1 and 2, approx. same as not sleeping at all. but our meat is not equipped for skipping straight to 3 normally. 824361;1410358044;mircea_popescu;define worthless. 824362;1410358048;mircea_popescu;what's your measure of worth ? 824363;1410358052;asciilifeform;waste of time. 824364;1410358056;asciilifeform;;;google evolutionary spandrel 824365;1410358056;gribble;Spandrel (biology) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: ; Evolution The Spandrels of San Marco and the Panglossian ...: ; Adaptations, Exaptations, and Spandrels - Social Sciences Division: 824366;1410358059;mircea_popescu;you know that's no good do you ? 824367;1410358127;asciilifeform;not that 'stage 1+2 is a spandrel' is a proven hypothesis, of course. merely that it has not been tested. i suspect that it can be proven. 824368;1410358163;mircea_popescu;but even if it were, that's still not enough for what you're arguing. 824369;1410358222;asciilifeform;if it were, that's still not enough << ?? 824370;1410358241;mircea_popescu;it isn't. you're saying it's "a waste of time", a spandrel merely means "not directly resulting from selection" 824371;1410358246;mircea_popescu;these aren't the same strength. 824372;1410358250;asciilifeform;aha 824373;1410358256;mircea_popescu;take the case of the heart. 824374;1410358256;asciilifeform;perhaps spandrel is wrong word. 824375;1410358271;mircea_popescu;the heart is a well designed pump, that works very well in its own engineering envelope. 824376;1410358293;mircea_popescu;people who use it outside of that envelope, such as for instance habitual stimulant abusers, stock brokers and other such "high stress" occupations usually die of heart failure. 824377;1410358306;mircea_popescu;the reason for this is that the heart can't do too many regime change cycles a day 824378;1410358333;mircea_popescu;now, having a period of time where it can relax and clean up may be exactly what it needs. even if this is enforced by cnc paralysis rather than another venue 824379;1410358364;asciilifeform;sure. 824380;1410358367;mircea_popescu;the human body being a final case of "the protocol is the code". it works like we've discussed, as this insane collection of things repaired by malfunction in unassociated things 824381;1410358368;asciilifeform;hence stages 3, 4. 824382;1410358376;mircea_popescu;there were some renaissance mechanical models for this. 824383;1410358399;thestringpuller;;;later tell BingoBoingo good luck my friend 824384;1410358400;gribble;The operation succeeded. 824385;1410358411;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform note that for me to disprove your stance, all i need is an example of possible failure, which i've satisfied. for you to support your stance giving a counterexample is not enough. 824386;1410358446;asciilifeform;hypothesis here is that stages 1 and 2 are 'runway' 824387;1410358462;mircea_popescu;i read the hypothesis here as "stages 1 and 2 can be safely removed" 824388;1410358471;asciilifeform;test would be - some means of reliably rocketing through them straight to 3 on demand. 824389;1410358500;asciilifeform;(and staying in 3+4 without the normal gaps of 1,2) 824390;1410358504;mircea_popescu;only problem with that test is you won't be able to distinguish the source of any side effects - from the rocketing or from the rocket. 824391;1410358514;asciilifeform;certainly. 824392;1410358529;thestringpuller;walking into bitcoin-assets becomes more like walking into a random lecutre hall at a good university... 824393;1410358531;mircea_popescu;but anyway. i don't expect improvement here. 824394;1410358537;thestringpuller;and this is just "normal" conversation 824395;1410358540;*;mircea_popescu waves at thestringpuller 824396;1410358563;asciilifeform;just as the example you gave, of stimulant abusers - most of the documented medical sequelae, afaik, are from extreme sleep deprivation... 824397;1410358575;mircea_popescu;well, they removed 1 and 2 did they not. 824398;1410358579;*;thestringpuller salutes mircea_popescu and asciilifeform *good day sirs* 824399;1410358589;asciilifeform;and 3, 4, and they won't even lie down 824400;1410358590;asciilifeform;yes. 824401;1410358599;mircea_popescu;rocket and rocketing again :) 824402;1410358653;mircea_popescu;but at this point, we suddenly face the danger of falling into nominalism. consider a pill that zaps 1&2 so you can 3-4 only, withj the caveat that to be used safe over a century, you have to lie down for two to three hours each day and relax independently of sleep. 824403;1410358667;mircea_popescu;well... so what does the pill do again ? allows you to rename things ? i can do that w/o pills :D 824404;1410358684;asciilifeform;well, for one thing you could 'sleep' when not palpably weary 824405;1410358691;mircea_popescu;i can do that now. 824406;1410358693;asciilifeform;like housecat 824407;1410358708;asciilifeform;(some people already know how to do this, yes.) 824408;1410358720;mircea_popescu;theres really nothing to know, you just... lie down and sleep 824409;1410358758;asciilifeform;then perhaps mutants. 824410;1410358766;*;asciilifeform cannot do this unless chronically deprived of sleep 824411;1410358783;mircea_popescu;!up chalbersma 824412;1410358791;mircea_popescu;i think the more likely producitve approach is psychologic tho 824413;1410358823;mircea_popescu;can you normally tell what's wrong with you, if something's wrong, and what food item was the cause, if you're sick ? 824414;1410358832;mircea_popescu;nubbins` http://www.reddit.com/r/shutupandtakemymoney/comments/2g099b/what_is_bitcoin_silkscreened_posters_150_left/ 824415;1410358832;assbot;"What is Bitcoin?" silkscreened posters [1/50 left] : shutupandtakemymoney 824416;1410358861;nubbins`;ha 824417;1410358864;nubbins`;an honor, i'm sure 824418;1410358866;asciilifeform;i'd say yes 824419;1410358882;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform so then just lie down with yourself and relax, it's doable. 824420;1410358903;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: takes an hour or to to even begin to switch gears, and that's if tired. 824421;1410358911;mircea_popescu;why ? 824422;1410358957;nubbins`;oh, it links to the ink-mixing post 824423;1410358957;*;asciilifeform precisely wishes to know why 824424;1410358969;nubbins`;i thought this was some sort of sarcastic butthurt style reddit 824425;1410358985;nubbins`;now i'm just confused 824426;1410358995;ThickAsThieves;skip to 3&4 with 5 shots of vodka 824427;1410359004;asciilifeform;ThickAsThieves: opposite effect, there. 824428;1410359008;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform say, take the pet, go to yoga class. 824429;1410359014;mircea_popescu;on one hand, chicks in yoga pants! 824430;1410359020;mircea_popescu;on the other hand, relaxation is an important skill. 824431;1410359027;ThickAsThieves;but but vodka makes you live longer 824432;1410359042;mircea_popescu;ThickAsThieves i dun sell gherkins to gardners and vodka to russians. 824433;1410359185;chetty;mircea_popescu, has these insane instant change mode switches .... he really don't understand how the rest of us live 824434;1410359187;*;asciilifeform doesn't know the secret of the hypothetical, legendary 'motorized sleep.' but suspects that, just as eight cylinder engine is an improvement over the most skilled runner, there could be a means for improvement here. 824435;1410359255;ThickAsThieves;maybe we need to go on life support when we sleep 824436;1410359277;asciilifeform;ThickAsThieves: question'd be, which sort. 824437;1410359301;mircea_popescu;i don't think sleep improvement is impossible per se. but i do think what's herein contemplated is of the level of improving cpu caching with drills, lathes and other mechanical tools. 824438;1410359308;asciilifeform;lol! 824439;1410359308;mircea_popescu;even if it works it hasn't worked. 824440;1410359318;ThickAsThieves;maybe humans have a built in hibernation function we dont know how to work yet 824441;1410359342;mircea_popescu;or maybe sleep is a very high level cognitive function, and humanity still struggles with logic. 824442;1410359357;ThickAsThieves;maybe we're always sleeping 824443;1410359367;*;asciilifeform has wild, '9000%' variation in sleep quality from day to day, since childhood, and would be satisfied with knowing why and having knobs for it. 824444;1410359368;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform you got the stomach for some mysticism ? 824445;1410359372;asciilifeform;sure 824446;1410359380;mircea_popescu;you know anything about the pashtun ? 824447;1410359386;asciilifeform;quite a bit. 824448;1410359400;mircea_popescu;suppose there's a well respected, honorful general of this one tribe 824449;1410359407;mircea_popescu;he lives in a hut, like all the others, rural pashtun. 824450;1410359414;mircea_popescu;suppose "good sleep" is being in his tent. 824451;1410359435;mircea_popescu;suppose the normal introduction so you may be allowed there takes a coupla hours, going through all the complicated pashtun honor ceremonies. 824452;1410359456;*;asciilifeform sees where this is going 824453;1410359458;mircea_popescu;suppose shady gringo in the kabul market offers to sell you a dust which, if sparkled around, will teleport you straight into tent, no further need for "Wasting time" 824454;1410359461;mircea_popescu;how much ? 824455;1410359467;asciilifeform;lol 824456;1410359482;asciilifeform;!s bathtub catapult 824457;1410359483;assbot;1 results for 'bathtub catapult' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=bathtub+catapult 824458;1410359483;mircea_popescu;HOW you get there may be as important as how much time you spend, neh ? 824459;1410359494;mircea_popescu;after all, ninjashogun spent some time here too. 824460;1410359502;mircea_popescu;he HAS that catapult. 824461;1410359506;mircea_popescu;what's it do for him ? 824462;1410359520;mircea_popescu;plenty of people work up the nerve to speak over hours. plenty more probably haven't yet. so ? 824463;1410359550;ThickAsThieves;who wants to spend their waking ours managing their sleeping ones 824464;1410359555;ThickAsThieves;hours* 824465;1410359560;asciilifeform;good analogy, except that, with correct plans, it is possible to survive the bathtub catapult (parachute exists.) 824466;1410359575;The20YearIRCloud;Closed on the loan today, joy 824467;1410359590;mircea_popescu;ThickAsThieves you ever met that blessed folk that will spent sixteen hours a day working to "make money while they sleep", 5 dolla an hour ? 824468;1410359639;asciilifeform;sixteen hours a day working to "make money while they sleep" >> they're struggling for escape from arbeit macht frei. 824469;1410359641;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform maybe mere survival ain't the goal. 824470;1410359646;mircea_popescu;The20YearIRCloud how much did you get in the end ? 824471;1410359658;The20YearIRCloud;100k 824472;1410359661;mircea_popescu;not bad. 824473;1410359672;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform escape < they still get paid in paypal. what escape. incape. 824474;1410359684;asciilifeform;didn't say - successful escape. attempted. 824475;1410359686;The20YearIRCloud;It's a fixed rate credit line, which is nice as we can go out, buy properties, refinance said properties, then just continue to buy more 824476;1410359696;asciilifeform;a few bullets from the guard towers lodged in arse. 824477;1410359727;ThickAsThieves;i wonder if people who only sleep 3-5 hrs a day, live more or less waking hours than those sleeping 8+ 824478;1410359729;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform but the premise is flawed. they're trying to escape... into da's office ? 824479;1410359731;asciilifeform;likewise, paid in scrip, but never need to wake up / go places / take orders - still a kind of escape. 824480;1410359743;mircea_popescu;i guess. 824481;1410359745;*;rithm hugs scrip 824482;1410359756;mircea_popescu;ThickAsThieves chetty used to sleep 4ish hours for many years. 824483;1410359786;mircea_popescu;i suspect this is a lot easier for women 824484;1410359797;ThickAsThieves;i rarely sleep more than 5 for a long time 824485;1410359798;asciilifeform;ah and that's another tidbit - some people need considerably less, for firing on all cylinders, than others. find out why. if can replicate - win. 824486;1410359815;ThickAsThieves;i do get tired though 824487;1410359816;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform some people are fucking dumb. others - not so. find out why, avoid, win. 824488;1410359819;mircea_popescu;wtf are you on about lol :D 824489;1410359853;asciilifeform;picture hypothetical - what if actually needing 8+ hours is something like 'beriberi' 824490;1410359854;mircea_popescu;if you're going for this why not make smart pill directly, why bother with sleep pill. 824491;1410359854;ThickAsThieves;i think eating frequency is a factor as well, metabolism 824492;1410359875;asciilifeform;what if we just aren't eating enough $rareearth 824493;1410359882;mircea_popescu;what if, ok. but i dun believe that has a leg to stand on. 824494;1410359895;mircea_popescu;sleep is very similar, and in fact one of the better arguments pro homogenity in the human race 824495;1410359909;*;asciilifeform does not even remotely know the answer to this one, but can't rule out a beriberi-like gotcha 824496;1410359909;mircea_popescu;the fact that all cultures had beds, and the fact that all cultures could go to bed with any others. 824497;1410359919;mircea_popescu;that exists in all climes ? 824498;1410359930;mircea_popescu;what WOULD you take to rule it out ? 824499;1410359961;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 400 @ 0.00488188 = 1.9528 BTC [+] {4} 824500;1410360029;asciilifeform;what would it take << beautiful question. let's say we find that chetty has, e.g., more efficient mitochondriae, that eat and shit less for given level of activity. and therefore require less cleanup. then we say 'can't fix this with aftermarket patch.' 824501;1410360065;mircea_popescu;how are you going to fix mother dna outside of eugeny ? 824502;1410360074;asciilifeform;that was example of 'can't' 824503;1410360088;mircea_popescu;(yes, that's how that "extra" dna from the mother side works - mitochondria has its own dna set) 824504;1410360094;asciilifeform;alternatively, scenario where there is a fix. some folks feel that they would profit from being - taller. in russia, they can fix this. 824505;1410360099;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform ah i read "can fix" 824506;1410360099;asciilifeform;(illegal in usa, afaik.) 824507;1410360112;mircea_popescu;lol how do they fix it ? suspension ? 824508;1410360123;mircea_popescu;procust's bed ? 824509;1410360131;asciilifeform;surgeon breaks both of your legs with a clever little instrument; sets them in such a way that they grow 10cm or so at a time - longer. 824510;1410360148;asciilifeform;a year+ in wheelchair. 824511;1410360150;mircea_popescu;i had no idea. 824512;1410360168;mircea_popescu;shitty trade tho. i wouldn't spend a year in wheelchair for an extra four inches 824513;1410360180;asciilifeform;matters more for one man than another 824514;1410360207;asciilifeform;used to be, folks would travel there for this op, just like others went to thailand for 'sex change' etc 824515;1410360213;ThickAsThieves;like Gattaca 824516;1410360215;mircea_popescu;im almost tempted by your theory. "you can sleep better if you never have sex again. here's the pill" 824517;1410360219;chetty;ooo GATTICA 824518;1410360219;ThickAsThieves;ever seen than movie? 824519;1410360221;asciilifeform;dulap! 824520;1410360233;asciilifeform;schlick. 824521;1410360234;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform nah, the pill just makes you uber horny. 824522;1410360240;ThickAsThieves;mp you should watch it 824523;1410360247;mircea_popescu;i think i have. 824524;1410360259;ThickAsThieves;word 824525;1410360261;*;asciilifeform saw, not impressed 824526;1410360282;mircea_popescu;isn't it some derpy "kid wants to be fighter jet pilot, cock not big enough, o lala la drama" story ? 824527;1410360286;ThickAsThieves;well, the goal is to be entertained, not impressed per se :) 824528;1410360289;chetty;well it did have application for longer legs 824529;1410360311;*;asciilifeform pictures a jet actually piloted using cock 824530;1410360323;ThickAsThieves;cock must be this big to ride 824531;1410360336;mircea_popescu;anyway, the us-agitprop makes me chaf. "o noes, you can do anything, retards are people too, form a circle let's hold hands" 824532;1410360339;mircea_popescu;meh. not my kettle. 824533;1410360341;asciilifeform;the way, some say, stephen hawking drives his wheelchair with arse muscle joystick 824534;1410360341;ThickAsThieves;good tshirt for a porn actress 824535;1410360359;mircea_popescu;^ prolly done to death. 824536;1410360427;asciilifeform;form a circle let's hold hands << in old science fiction, it'd have been 'cripple builds cybernetic mega-coc, proceeds to kill worlds' 824537;1410360575;The20YearIRCloud;I found a few singlewide trailers for our company 824538;1410360593;The20YearIRCloud;we're looking at two different lots that have them, i'm pretty darn excited, it all gets me one step closer to being the slumlord I desire 824539;1410360615;asciilifeform;wait - people rent these? 824540;1410360674;*;asciilifeform thought trailer was for 'owning home' when you only have a few thousand usd in pocket 824541;1410360726;chetty;asciilifeform, no need for that anymore, mortages grow on gubermint trees 824542;1410360756;mircea_popescu;The20YearIRCloud trailers ?! 824543;1410360878;The20YearIRCloud;Yeah 824544;1410360893;The20YearIRCloud;I've got a pretty good concept of what i want to do, just need a municipality where I can do it legally 824545;1410360910;ThickAsThieves;i rented a trailer when i first moced to fl 824546;1410360916;ThickAsThieves;moved* 824547;1410360918;mircea_popescu;so what is that, the ohio happy brothel ? 824548;1410360921;asciilifeform;mortages grow on gubermint trees << more complicated than this. no houses in the usual sense, near what remains of civilization in usa, are permitted to cost less than mid six digit. 824549;1410360924;The20YearIRCloud;But the premise is to take crappy trailers, and have my guys refurbish them in a way that they'd be superior to most conventionally built houses with regards to energy, and then rent em out for median pricing 824550;1410360944;mircea_popescu;what's the floor surface of a trailer ? 200sq ft ? 824551;1410360953;rithm;closer to 1000 824552;1410360955;rithm;750 824553;1410360959;mircea_popescu;that big ? 824554;1410360962;*;asciilifeform would happily live in a refrigerator truck, or a partizan dugout, or similar, if it didn't come with being corralled into a ghetto of similar wretches 824555;1410360963;rithm;depends on single or double 824556;1410360973;mircea_popescu;why not just buy shipping containers then. not so expensive, can be stacked... 824557;1410360979;mircea_popescu;rithm he just said double 824558;1410360980;The20YearIRCloud;ones i'm looking at are 900-1000 824559;1410360984;mircea_popescu;shit. he just said single. 824560;1410360987;The20YearIRCloud;Not legal in my area to use a shipping container 824561;1410360990;rithm;shipping container buried the side of a hill sounds lovely to me 824562;1410361002;asciilifeform;Not legal in my area to use a shipping container << perhaps you can guess why. 824563;1410361013;mircea_popescu;cauze it'd be cheaper and more efficient ? 824564;1410361013;The20YearIRCloud;At least, a trailer lives up to code when it was built, and it isn't illegal to use one that's old as dirt 824565;1410361014;rithm;mircea_popescu i totally do not follow the chat and just jump in randomly as if i knew what were going on 824566;1410361021;asciilifeform;for the same reason buckminster fuller's injection-molded plastic house was banned. 824567;1410361036;nubbins`;^ 824568;1410361043;asciilifeform;real estate parasite scum live, breathe, to keep housing costly. 824569;1410361045;The20YearIRCloud;Zoning is quite slow 824570;1410361054;The20YearIRCloud;We're just catching on to doing steel skinned, soy insullated houses 824571;1410361067;nubbins`;wait, i thought it was unions that did his house-pod things in 824572;1410361067;The20YearIRCloud;the fiberglass people a pretty crazy when it comes to supressing new types of insullation 824573;1410361076;nubbins`;Big Glass 824574;1410361083;mircea_popescu;lol 824575;1410361100;mircea_popescu;fiberglass isn't that bad, but it's fucking toxyc. 824576;1410361103;The20YearIRCloud;There's this one type of soy insullation we want, it's 4x more efficient per cubic meter than anything fiberglass has to offer, and some municipalities still don't allow 824577;1410361119;nubbins`;BIG GLASS IS IN THE TREES 824578;1410361124;mircea_popescu;The20YearIRCloud how do you keep the wevils out ? 824579;1410361125;*;nubbins` swivels wildly about 824580;1410361131;asciilifeform;big glass << laugh all you like, 'corning co.' is one of the few remaining mega-industrial giants in usa 824581;1410361151;asciilifeform;fiberglass toxic << yes 824582;1410361179;*;asciilifeform has workshop in a very large garden shed, that came with current rental. itches every time coming out of it. 824583;1410361181;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform partizan dugout may be pretty cool. 824584;1410361189;mircea_popescu;i hear all the truant tattooed teenagers swarm there 824585;1410361229;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: it'd be great, but would have to be deep in a forest, secret, with a stump for a chimney - just like during the war. because living in something that isn't a house is highly illegal in usa (unless part of a designated ghettoschwitz) 824586;1410361292;mircea_popescu;and it gotta be in usa ? 824587;1410361308;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: i vaguely recall a story of yours, about a chum who went to usa and left in disgust, when he was not permitted to build other than a cardboard house. 824588;1410361345;mircea_popescu;well yeah. was a bunch o people, they got building permit and proceeded to built like at home. concrete pillars, brick walls etc. 824589;1410361383;The20YearIRCloud;alot of it depends on municipality 824590;1410361398;The20YearIRCloud;there's areas where I live that they don't care what you put up or what you live in (Sheds included), but those aren't areas I want property in 824591;1410361432;asciilifeform;gotta be in usa << currently. (as discussed in the past) 824592;1410361452;mircea_popescu;yeah well, partisan dugouts in the us may have to wait a few years. 824593;1410361462;asciilifeform;if could afford to escape - would. just like every other schmuck 824594;1410361589;asciilifeform;those aren't areas I want property in << designated ghettoschwitzes, yes. notice how it is highly illegal to keep out scum other than through real estate pricing, in any part of usa. 824595;1410361618;assbot;chalbersma +v failed; L1: 0, L2: 0 824596;1410361627;asciilifeform;cannot, for example, 'to buy property here you must solve this here single-variable integral.' 824597;1410361659;kakobrekla;!up chalbersma 824598;1410361663;asciilifeform;or even 'name the 50 states of usa' 824599;1410361683;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform "and their capitols" 824600;1410361694;asciilifeform;any of it. 824601;1410361711;mircea_popescu;the idea holds water tho. money is supposed to work as an iq-meter. 824602;1410361718;mircea_popescu;if it doesn't, THAT has to be fixed, not this. 824603;1410361722;asciilifeform;bidding wars 824604;1410361741;mircea_popescu;hm ? 824605;1410361777;mircea_popescu;im not even sure i could do integration by hand, outside of recognising the formulaic equivalents. 824606;1410361816;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-04-2014#607598 824607;1410361817;assbot;Logged on 06-04-2014 14:59:26; mircea_popescu: asciilifeform ok. considering the what/how debate as accepted foundation : at any time there's a number of turkeys and a number of engineers. 824608;1410361856;asciilifeform;doesn't have to be integrals. i just picked an example from 'captchas' used on some russian forums. 824609;1410361871;mircea_popescu;haha they actually use integrals as captchas ? 824610;1410361897;mircea_popescu;but it's simple pattern recognition, right ? of the ilk of "what is x2 + y2 + 2xy" 824611;1410361901;asciilifeform;(perhaps mircea_popescu and i might've forgotten how to grind gnarly integrals mentally, but we still have the neurons to grind with 'macsyma' etc.) 824612;1410361946;asciilifeform;http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2174/2268237733_cda4a1dbb3.jpg?v=0 824613;1410361952;The20YearIRCloud;No, not ghettos, extremely rural areas with low property prices/low market 824614;1410361956;asciilifeform;(american version) 824615;1410361968;The20YearIRCloud;If i'm going in those areas, i'm getting land for the land, not to build cheap houses 824616;1410361993;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform ouch lol. i have nfi 824617;1410361999;mircea_popescu;what am i supposed to be, 18 ?! 824618;1410362027;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: http://lurkmore.so/images/c/cc/%D0%9C%D0%B0%D1%82%D0%B0%D0%BD_%D0%BA%D0%B0%D0%BF%D1%87%D0%B0.jpg 824619;1410362047;asciilifeform;http://avz.org.ua/wp/wp-content/uploads/2009/08/captcha2.gif 824620;1410362048;asciilifeform;and the like. 824621;1410362112;mircea_popescu;heh. so the top is what, like 2/3x^2/3 + x ? 824622;1410362119;mircea_popescu;this shit's awful wtf. 824623;1410362144;*;asciilifeform brings this up as example of something that you certainly, definitely, under threat of harsh punishments, could not get away with in allocation of american housing. 824624;1410362254;mircea_popescu;does that russian forum actually expect someone to type out (2/3 * x ** (2/3))/((3/4 * x ** (3/4) -(6/7 * x ** (6/7) )+x as a reply to a captcha ? 824625;1410362257;mircea_popescu;or am i missing something ? 824626;1410362273;*;kakobrekla doesnt feel bad about 'XVII + nineteen' anymore 824627;1410362279;asciilifeform;answer's usually short. 824628;1410362290;mircea_popescu;well is this one ? 824629;1410362308;chetty;not so very different than making people jump through gpg hoops to get voice in here 824630;1410362315;*;asciilifeform can't be arsed. does not frequent said forums, or advocate this recipe. 824631;1410362322;asciilifeform;it was example. 824632;1410362344;mircea_popescu;scam. 824633;1410362345;nubbins`;chetty 8) 824634;1410362359;asciilifeform;but i'd rather do these integrals every ten minutes, than be asked to come up with $mil. 824635;1410362366;mircea_popescu;why the fuck ? 824636;1410362374;mircea_popescu;i got more $mil than #patience. 824637;1410362389;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: you - yes. sure 824638;1410362390;mircea_popescu;let teenagers suck the cock and do the integrals, wtf are they for. 824639;1410362481;diametric;asciilifeform: you actually can make stipulations like that in american housing. 824640;1410362482;asciilifeform;point not being that i personally relish integral puzzles, but that if it were possible to escape usaschwitz by getting good at them, i'd be inclined to try. 824641;1410362505;asciilifeform;diametric: really? i was told it was banned as 'racist' at one point. 824642;1410362507;diametric;asciilifeform: re: home owners associations. they can basically place any number of arbitrary conditions on home ownership. 824643;1410362517;asciilifeform;;;google disparate impact 824644;1410362518;gribble;Disparate impact - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: ; Disparate Impact legal definition of Disparate Impact - Legal Dictionary: ; What is disparate impact? definition and meaning: 824645;1410362519;mircea_popescu;diametric may have a point. you can prolly ge away with a community agreement where every tenant has to play scrabble or some shit 824646;1410362529;mircea_popescu;exactly. 824647;1410362530;diametric;mircea_popescu: exactly. 824648;1410362539;mircea_popescu;ha! i beat someone to it for once, even if it was 2nd pass. 824649;1410362557;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: i recall that if your torture test ends up affecting one ethnic faction more than another, you get in hot water 824650;1410362570;diametric;usually hoas are run by bored housewives and middle managers that want to feel the power of lording over people. 824651;1410362571;mircea_popescu;only if you take fed money. 824652;1410362581;asciilifeform;'griggs vs duke power' 824653;1410362609;asciilifeform;though, if i recall, it concerned employment rather than real estate 824654;1410362611;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform also, the thing you cite is employment law. 824655;1410362614;mircea_popescu;damn. 824656;1410362643;*;asciilifeform ianal, does not know if 'integral torture' on real estate sales would be permitted in usa 824657;1410362643;diametric;asciilifeform: there are only very specific sets of things hoas can't do. For example they can't say "no blacks allowed" or "women can't park here." 824658;1410362658;mircea_popescu;in principle, disallowing absurd selection practices for employers may be unavoidable. otherwise, think of that church idiot and his "advice" 824659;1410362662;mircea_popescu;imagine how it'd proliferate. 824660;1410362688;asciilifeform;which 'advice' 824661;1410362695;asciilifeform;he had a number of crackpot recipes 824662;1410362705;mircea_popescu;http://trilema.com/2014/how-the-other-half-lives-or-michael-o-church-is-a-scummy-fuckwit/ 824663;1410362706;assbot;How the other half lives, or Michael O. Church is a scummy fuckwit pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. 824664;1410362724;asciilifeform;aha 824665;1410362946;chetty;personally I have trouble seeing the difference between "women can't park here." and bakers must bake any cake requested 824666;1410363010;diametric;chetty: US law specifically says one is "special" 824667;1410363042;diametric;bakers aren't afforded the luxury of a special status 824668;1410363047;mircea_popescu;chetty a baker applies for permission to be a baker. 824669;1410363052;mircea_popescu;a woman is a woman afore the state. 824670;1410363088;mircea_popescu;it's quite logical, if you care to follow the twisted remants of logic inside the system 824671;1410363095;chetty;mircea_popescu, well it used to be like that nayway, these days it can be a choice 824672;1410363116;mircea_popescu;which is why so much lobby to not distinguish natural and manufactured women 824673;1410363257;mircea_popescu;anyway, what irks me isn't the weirdo stuff in the us as much as the memetic tendency. if it worked like, "if you want women to park anywhere and bakers to bake anything, go to ohio ; if you want women to not be allowed to park anywhere, go to montana" etc it'd be fine. 824674;1410363278;mircea_popescu;have a pedo state, send all pedos there, have a 1950s household, send all 1950s types to utah, and so on and so forth 824675;1410363288;mircea_popescu;but if you try make all teh places run on the same software... 824676;1410363319;mircea_popescu;but no, lincoln must has know better what's best! 824677;1410363355;chetty;well that was the idea when they started ... but states as sovereign entities has gone away 824678;1410363491;mircea_popescu;well, the accident that guncotton is not made out of cottons while guns are made out of fllailed earth had something to do with it. 824679;1410363553;mircea_popescu;it's universal this, absent universally pervasive dedication to diversity, diversity flounders because by its very definition it's multiple examples are not all equally fit. 824680;1410363609;mircea_popescu;this is usually obvious in computer game design. if there's a warrior, a mage and an archer, having them all "equally powerful" defeats the point of having 3 of them. having them "differently powerful" often reduces to the former. 824681;1410363613;mircea_popescu;no real way to solve it. 824682;1410364171;mircea_popescu;;;ticker 824683;1410364173;gribble;Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 484.63, Best ask: 485.93, Bid-ask spread: 1.30000, Last trade: 485.0, 24 hour volume: 12575.72910500, 24 hour low: 462.56, 24 hour high: 492.0, 24 hour vwap: 476.417919968 824684;1410364192;chetty;but in practice it tends to reduce to the lowest common denominator not the most fit wins ... 824685;1410364230;mircea_popescu;you underestimate the importance of cheapness. 824686;1410364244;mircea_popescu;there's more ants than people alive not because ants are better tea company 824687;1410364251;mircea_popescu;but because they cost less to produce and less to maintain 824688;1410364282;mircea_popescu;cheapness is, so to speak, the mother of fit. 824689;1410364780;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] [PAID] 4.46195344 BTC to 1`149`988 shares, 388 satoshi per share 824690;1410364976;mircea_popescu;;;later tell hanbot http://cdn.rsvlts.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/12/Perfect-Timing-Photos-157-630x605.jpg 824691;1410364977;gribble;The operation succeeded. 824692;1410365024;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] [PAID] 1.40933458 BTC to 15`374 shares, 9167 satoshi per share 824693;1410365111;ben_vulpes;asciilifeform: re 9000%: factors for me are exercise and regularity of schedule 824694;1410365915;mircea_popescu;and this one is for my mom : http://i.imgur.com/68Uyseu.jpg 824695;1410366619;thestringpuller;ants are also eusocial 824696;1410366644;thestringpuller;probably more termites than ants 824697;1410367409;mircea_popescu;thestringpuller the entire "eusocial" bs is little more than socialist propaganda. 824698;1410367419;mircea_popescu;just about zero scientific merit to it. 824699;1410367468;mircea_popescu;in other news, http://i.imgur.com/gjnU3b1.jpg 824700;1410369200;thestringpuller;mircea_popescu is anti-social 824701;1410369327;mircea_popescu;no, i'm eusocial, and i take offense at the dilution of terminology. 824702;1410371551;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 1000 @ 0.000605 = 0.605 BTC [-] 824703;1410371981;kakobrekla;https://buy.hardwarewallet.com/hw1shop/#shop 824704;1410371981;assbot;HardwareWallet 824705;1410371987;kakobrekla;>GreenAddress : safer multiplatform wallet with multisignature, second factor confirmation of all transactions and anti-goxing protection. 824706;1410372304;kakobrekla;It is unfortunately not possible to release HW-1 with an open firmware due to NDA restrictions, however you can verify with the specification that all commands do what they are supposed to do, and that clients are only sending documented commands. 824707;1410372344;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 858 @ 0.0006014 = 0.516 BTC [-] {4} 824708;1410373087;thestringpuller;NDA restrictions? 824709;1410373089;thestringpuller;from who? themselves? 824710;1410374613;ThickAsThieves;NDA that greenaddress gas with NSA 824711;1410374619;ThickAsThieves;has* 824712;1410374737;thestringpuller;wtf is "anti-goxing" protection?!?!? 824713;1410374746;thestringpuller;is this just for the lulz? 824714;1410374834;ThickAsThieves;means they won't let anyone named Mark have an account 824715;1410374969;ThickAsThieves;!up truffles 824716;1410374982;ben_vulpes;ho shit 824717;1410374984;ben_vulpes;;;seen truffles 824718;1410374985;gribble;truffles was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 21 weeks, 4 days, 22 hours, 32 minutes, and 40 seconds ago: tell me when the experiment is over 824719;1410374993;truffles;its not over 824720;1410374999;truffles;i was curious 824721;1410375045;truffles;i tried to arrange that chess match with nubbins a while back kinda difficult to do when not in same room.. 824722;1410375073;ThickAsThieves;that almost makes sense 824723;1410375158;truffles;it bugs me when i dont resolve things.. 824724;1410375554;ben_vulpes;bingoboingo's had much success running games over irc and webgames... 824725;1410377287;thestringpuller;I challenge ben_vulpes to Starcraft! 824726;1410378095;artifexd;My "copper rounds" just showed up. They *are* nice. 824727;1410378201;jurov;BLIT << wasn't this actually invented by monty python? only they had it as deadly joke 824728;1410378231;jurov;obv the joke itself wasn't broadcast 824729;1410378483;ben_vulpes;thestringpuller: it's been years and i was never any good :P 824730;1410379327;jurov;re:smart pill - i think there may yet be surprising discoveries 824731;1410379345;jurov;such as, wide occurrence of latent chlamydia 824732;1410379404;jurov;that bugger tends to lurk in fat tissue where it is untreatable by antibiotics and slowly releases neurotoxins 824733;1410379465;jurov;result? unexplicable pain and lowered mental performance 824734;1410379499;jurov;why it isn't object of research till recently? doctors were taught it's simple treatable veneral disease 824735;1410379528;jurov;ans sexual diseases research is uncool 824736;1410379613;jurov;how do i know? i was diagnosed ch. pneumoniae (lung one, not the sexual one) 824737;1410379624;jurov;and not in lungs, but on skin 824738;1410379650;jurov;and every time i exercise and get skinner, i get sick 824739;1410379701;ben_vulpes;fascinating! 824740;1410379702;jurov;tl;dr: there is surprising health stuff we hide from ourselves because of our own culture 824741;1410379721;rithm;i'm in good health, i've never broken a bone or had any type of major surgery 824742;1410379746;rithm;i love menthol cigarettes too 824743;1410379766;ben_vulpes;i too support more sex disease research 824744;1410379786;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8500 @ 0.00076812 = 6.529 BTC [-] 824745;1410379847;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8912 @ 0.00076607 = 6.8272 BTC [-] {2} 824746;1410380113;ben_vulpes;twould be grand if life could go on without condoms 824747;1410380142;HeySteve;hello, was wondering if a prepared NDA exists which can be cryptographically signed? 824748;1410380219;ben_vulpes;yes 824749;1410380322;HeySteve;great, even better if you have a link 824750;1410381170;thestringpuller;re: health. pharma corps suppress a lot of research to increase profits it seems. 824751;1410382774;The20YearIRCloud;HeySteve: i'm pretty sure they can, since they've talked alot about contracting via blockchain 824752;1410383240;thestringpuller;The20YearIRCloud what are you referring to? 824753;1410383263;The20YearIRCloud;I'll have to dig it up, but there's a few altcoin or places that say they can sign contracts via blockchain 824754;1410383447;thestringpuller;wouldn't gpg contracts be easier? 824755;1410383554;HeySteve;I'd think so 824756;1410383557;ben_vulpes;HeySteve: i mean i bought mine, and gpg sign it. 824757;1410383588;HeySteve;yeah someone linked me to a good generic one, will use that with gpg sigs 824758;1410384030;ben_vulpes;strip the text out, hard wrap it at 80 chars, gpg sign it 824759;1410384174;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: what would it take << beautiful question. let's say we find that chetty has, e.g., more efficient mitochondriae, that eat and shit less for given level of activity. and therefore require less cleanup. then we say 'can't fix this with aftermarket patch.' << I dunno mitochondral replacement might be an interesting experiment 824760;1410384317;BingoBoingo;If mitochondria are some separate symiote we just depend on, there may be a way do a replacement 824761;1410384519;The20YearIRCloud;http://www.theguardian.com/business/2014/sep/10/bank-of-japan-interest-rates-zero 824762;1410384519;assbot;Bank of Japan drives rates below zero | Business | The Guardian 824763;1410384552;The20YearIRCloud;I'd hope that driving rates below zero and seeing little inflation would be more of a sign to keneysian economists that believe that inflation is solely driven by interest rates 824764;1410384854;ben_vulpes;http://bubblear.com/about-those-credit-default-swaps/ 824765;1410384855;assbot;403 Forbidden 824766;1410385236;The20YearIRCloud;interesting 824767;1410385755;ben_vulpes;403 forbidden? 824768;1410385762;ben_vulpes;http://bubblear.com/about-those-credit-default-swaps/ 824769;1410385763;assbot;403 Forbidden 824770;1410385771;ben_vulpes;weird. 824771;1410385780;kakobrekla;hehe: http://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=777296.new#new 824772;1410385780;assbot;Cryptostocks PROBLEMS 824773;1410385881;kakobrekla;too bad it isnt in the bash 824774;1410385973;mircea_popescu;http://i.imgur.com/X2vZyFK.jpg 824775;1410386027;mircea_popescu;kakobrekla: It is unfortunately not possible to release HW-1 with an open firmware << lol 824776;1410386069;mircea_popescu;artifexd: My "copper rounds" just showed up. They *are* nice. << which are these ? 824777;1410386104;mircea_popescu;jurov: obv the joke itself wasn't broadcast << yeah i think you can say that. what was it, 70s ? 824778;1410386132;artifexd;The coins that look all circuit board-y 824779;1410386165;mircea_popescu;you mean the ones i linked like two days ago ?! 824780;1410386202;mircea_popescu;jurov: tl;dr: there is surprising health stuff we hide from ourselves because of our own culture << interesting, the chlamyda story. 824781;1410386221;mircea_popescu;*idya 824782;1410386315;mircea_popescu;The20YearIRCloud: I'd hope that driving rates below zero and seeing little inflation would be more of a sign to keneysian economists that believe that inflation is solely driven by interest rates << there's no possible significance to keynesians anymore. they're a cult by now, like the collodial silver derps. 824783;1410386329;mircea_popescu;"o no but it relaly helps, we've just not found out what yet" 824784;1410386341;mircea_popescu;"everything" 824785;1410386392;mircea_popescu;omg lok at that, kakobrekla is still on account #4. what happened there, their mods got thrown in jail or something ? 824786;1410386420;kakobrekla;i just got this one today. 824787;1410386461;rithm;trickle-down, yo 824788;1410386463;mircea_popescu;!s "with Cryptostocks than MPEx" 824789;1410386463;assbot;1 results for '"with Cryptostocks than MPEx"' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=%22with+Cryptostocks+than+MPEx%22 824790;1410386597;mircea_popescu;lol it's from a jimmothy thread ? 824791;1410386598;mircea_popescu;"Why not addressing one of the several elephants in the room? Why is 90% of their revenue from recruiting new investonomers? Why is the exchange owner taking such a huge role in "educating" his "investors"? Why is every single company co-owned by the exchange owner?" 824792;1410386612;mircea_popescu;duh. because bitcoin people are stupid, in both cases. why else ? 824793;1410386694;mircea_popescu;in other news, http://38.media.tumblr.com/3a46c43ff7dca6d11fc87d884f8589a1/tumblr_mvia2xrFj51qbfo7so1_1280.jpg 824794;1410386953;jurov;!mpif 824795;1410386954;assbot;BtcAlpha.com F.MPIF Tracker estimated NAV per share: 0.00021650 B (Total: 473.44 B). Delta: -1.08 B. Last trade for F.MPIF on MPEX was at 0.00022 BTC [+] 824796;1410388035;mircea_popescu;%p 824797;1410388038;atcbot;No data returned from CoinMiner.net 824798;1410388038;atcbot;[PityThePool Hashrate]: 9.93 GH/s [iSpace Pool Hashrate]: 1.73 TH/s 824799;1410388054;mircea_popescu;1.7th ?! that's a lot innit ? 824800;1410388056;mircea_popescu;%d 824801;1410388057;atcbot;[ATC Diff] Current Diff: 1878190.93 Est. Next Diff: 283088.83 in 1271 blocks (#46368) Est. % Change: -84.93 824802;1410388130;BingoBoingo;%t 824803;1410388132;atcbot;[X-BT] Bid: 205 Ask: 221 Last Price: 221 24h-Vol: 2k High: 221 Low: 221 VWAP: 221 824804;1410388138;artifexd;mircea_popescu: yes those 824805;1410388155;mircea_popescu;a nice. 824806;1410388169;BingoBoingo;%v 824807;1410388170;atcbot;[X-BT VWAP] Bid: 205 Ask: 221 Last Price: 221 30d-Vol: 843k 30d-High: 250 30d-Low: 170 30d-VWAP: 195 824808;1410388241;kakobrekla;;;calc 14/232 824809;1410388241;gribble;0.0603448275862 824810;1410388266;BingoBoingo;%d 824811;1410388266;atcbot;[ATC Diff] Current Diff: 1878190.93 Est. Next Diff: 283088.83 in 1271 blocks (#46368) Est. % Change: -84.93 824812;1410388294;mircea_popescu;i don't get it. shouldn't 2 th breeze through ? 824813;1410388523;penguirker;New blog post: http://www.bcoinnews.com/braintree-paypal-company-accept-bitcoin/ 824814;1410388571;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 48 @ 0.01046331 = 0.5022 BTC [-] 824815;1410389595;mircea_popescu;%p 824816;1410389596;atcbot;No data returned from CoinMiner.net 824817;1410389596;atcbot;[PityThePool Hashrate]: 0.69 GH/s [iSpace Pool Hashrate]: 1.12 TH/s 824818;1410389621;mircea_popescu;i guess those are just random numbers basically 824819;1410390737;BingoBoingo;ATC is an interesting lab for what happens when nethash and difficulty disagree in strong ways 824820;1410390854;mircea_popescu;this is pretty lulzy http://www.reddit.com/r/Buttcoin/comments/2fzu74/bitbet_bitcoin_to_surpass_berkshire_as_an/ 824821;1410390855;assbot;BitBet - Bitcoin to surpass Berkshire as an investment :: 1121.08 B (85%) on Yes, 193.66 B (15%) on No : Buttcoin 824822;1410390881;mircea_popescu;"There's another fun gotcha: the winnings are paid out in bitcoin. So if bitcoin falls, and you win the bet, the value of the magic beans you won also goes down." 824823;1410390886;mircea_popescu;"Plus if you lose, you lose magic beans that were worthless anyway." 824824;1410391013;BingoBoingo;Lolzy http://www.reddit.com/r/Buttcoin/comments/2fzu74/bitbet_bitcoin_to_surpass_berkshire_as_an/ckeb3o8 824825;1410391013;assbot;RghoNomic comments on BitBet - Bitcoin to surpass Berkshire as an investment :: 1121.08 B (85%) on Yes, 193.66 B (15%) on No 824826;1410391026;BingoBoingo;"Best part of that bet: The "scams" link lists the highest volume USD (Bitfinex) exchange as a scam AND it lists Coinbase as a scam." 824827;1410391810;mircea_popescu;how is bitfinex an exchange at all ? 824828;1410391820;mircea_popescu;it's just this bucket shop where you can pretend like you're trading bitcoin 824829;1410391908;BingoBoingo;Well, ask r/buttcoin 824830;1410392012;mircea_popescu;something good did come out of this tho. hey kakobrekla check this out : http://bitbet.us/bet/786/bitcoin-to-surpass-berkshire-as-an-investment/ 824831;1410392012;assbot;BitBet - Bitcoin to surpass Berkshire as an investment :: 1121.08 B (85%) on Yes, 193.66 B (15%) on No | closing in 5 months 1 week| weight: 46`812 (100`000 to 1) 824832;1410392022;mircea_popescu;as per title, 193.66. as per page display, 193.65 824833;1410392057;BingoBoingo;;;ticker--market all 824834;1410392057;gribble;Error: "ticker--market" is not a valid command. 824835;1410392065;BingoBoingo;;;ticker --market all 824836;1410392072;gribble;Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 478.54, vol: 11585.02199166 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 473.5, vol: 3851.5951 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 476.5, vol: 8487.06626041 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 477.220814, vol: 14662.47770000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 475.00001, vol: 0.02 | Bitcoin-Central BTCUSD last: 488.4138, vol: 65.71840573 | Volume-weighted last average: 477.10619284 824837;1410392282;BingoBoingo;!up bhcoins 824838;1410392287;kakobrekla;myea one is using floor and the other is round 824839;1410392291;BingoBoingo;Hello bhcoins 824840;1410392484;kakobrekla;flor i mean 824841;1410392496;kakobrekla;whats with the double o, i dont know 824842;1410392525;kakobrekla;o no it floor 824843;1410392527;kakobrekla;lol 824844;1410392540;kakobrekla;flur. 824845;1410392545;punkman;someone tried to scam me as `punkman, just how high are these idiots 824846;1410392556;kakobrekla;lol 824847;1410392562;BingoBoingo;http://science.slashdot.org/story/14/09/10/1922252/researcher-fired-at-nsf-after-government-questions-her-role-as-1980s-activist 824848;1410392563;assbot;Researcher Fired At NSF After Government Questions Her Role As 1980s Activist - Slashdot 824849;1410392627;*;kakobrekla got confused cause of failed syntax highlighting :( 824850;1410392632;BingoBoingo;http://science.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=5680999&cid=47876377 << lol comment 824851;1410392633;assbot;Researcher Fired At NSF After Government Questions Her Role As 1980s Activist - Slashdot 824852;1410392663;kakobrekla;http://bitbet.us/bet/786/bitcoin-to-surpass-berkshire-as-an-investment/ 824853;1410392663;assbot;BitBet - Bitcoin to surpass Berkshire as an investment :: B (85%) on Yes, 193.66 B (15%) on No | closing in 5 months 1 week| weight: 46`810 (100`000 to 1) 824854;1410392688;gernika;`punkman tried to scam me as well. 824855;1410392889;kakobrekla;actually im not fixing that. 824856;1410393453;mthreat;has mircea_popescu been to vancouver recently? http://www.buzzfeed.com/alanwhite/so-thats-what-they-meant-by-the-beast-will-rise-up 824857;1410393455;assbot;A Statue Of Satan With A Huge Erection Has Appeared In Vancouver For Some Reason 824858;1410393568;BingoBoingo;http://arstechnica.com/science/2014/09/a-big-chunk-of-the-sierra-nevada-caught-fracturing-on-video/ << California begins breaking off into the ocean 824859;1410393568;assbot;A big chunk of the Sierra Nevada caught fracturing on video | Ars Technica 824860;1410393932;BingoBoingo;https://twitter.com/Lee_Ars/status/509728184242151424 << Looks like Lee is choosing Vox over BTC... 824861;1410393933;assbot;W/o getting too mushy, this is the best job Ive ever had & my coworkers are the best bunch of folks Ive ever had the privilege to work with 824862;1410393956;BingoBoingo;Wait, confused tech writers 824863;1410393971;BingoBoingo;Tim's the one with Vox 824864;1410394070;kakobrekla; how is bitfinex an exchange at all ? < ask josh? 824865;1410395097;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 9 @ 0.1783311 = 1.605 BTC [+] {3} 824866;1410395158;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 5 @ 0.18481066 = 0.9241 BTC [+] {3} 824867;1410395219;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 34 @ 0.18970204 = 6.4499 BTC [+] {6} 824868;1410395280;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 6 @ 0.19001666 = 1.1401 BTC [+] {3} 824869;1410395369;ben_vulpes;BingoBoingo: that video needs to be run through the google dewigglifier 824870;1410395389;BingoBoingo;ben_vulpes: The video wiggles only because the world does 824871;1410395406;BingoBoingo;Not all bedrock is created equal 824872;1410395556;BingoBoingo;alf: people who do tall surgery http://www.gomerblog.com/2014/09/bones/ 824873;1410395557;assbot;Bones: An Orthopedic Surgeon's Perspective - Medical Satire - GomerBlog 824874;1410395742;mircea_popescu;kakobrekla myeah 824875;1410395764;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo a well. 824876;1410395772;BingoBoingo;http://vetsbehavingbadly.blogspot.com/2014/09/rabies-testing-quarantine.html 824877;1410395773;assbot;Veterinarians Behaving Badly: Rabies Testing & Quarantine 824878;1410395875;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: That was a false alarm on the reporter, confused him with a nearly indistinguishable reporter for Conde Nast 824879;1410395886;mircea_popescu;"She even managed to gracefully handle the incessant "point of order" type questioning from the one guy in the back, who always has to ask a stream of arcane academic questions that are irrelevant to anyone living in the real world." 824880;1410395894;mircea_popescu;these fucking derps and their "real world" 824881;1410395985;BingoBoingo;Well, I dunno that Bitcoin has made it too far into medicine yet aside from that Dr. Goss guy with the MyBitcoin fiasco 824882;1410396033;mircea_popescu;dude rly ? this chick is easily the most annoying shrill pest at any party. 824883;1410396045;mircea_popescu;she's made all that out of someone dropping the wrong shit i nthe bag ? 824884;1410396148;BingoBoingo;Yeah, amazing how whining about shit is a pest past time. 824885;1410396148;assbot;AMAZING COMPANY! 824886;1410396223;BingoBoingo;Vetrinarian is almost like the parody orthopod 824887;1410396700;mircea_popescu;lol 824888;1410397078;BingoBoingo;I prolly should have went to doctor school and been an orthopod 824889;1410397189;asciilifeform;re: bat and banana peel: 824890;1410397192;asciilifeform;obligatory: 824891;1410397193;asciilifeform;http://www.gutenberg.org/files/33346/33346-h/33346-h.htm 824892;1410397194;assbot;Error 403 824893;1410397201;asciilifeform;yes, it's -that- robert wood. 824894;1410397224;asciilifeform;(woods' metal; destroyer of 'n-rays'; etc.) 824895;1410397256;asciilifeform;'The Parrot and the Carrot one may easily confound / They're very much alike in looks and similar in sound, / We recognize the Parrot by his clear articulation, / For Carrots are unable to engage in conversation.' 824896;1410397270;asciilifeform;( http://www.gutenberg.org/files/33346/33346-h/33346-h.htm#h2H_4_0010 ) 824897;1410397270;assbot;Error 403 824898;1410397433;mircea_popescu;lol 824899;1410397829;asciilifeform;copper rounds << i thought almost all modern bullets have copper jackets. 824900;1410397860;BingoBoingo;http://atc.blockr.io/address/info/12djAcViRDNpfzkBEpN2N1RXCDocNi41BV 824901;1410397876;mircea_popescu;rounds as in coins 824902;1410397884;BingoBoingo;ATC mined > 200,000 824903;1410397887;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: exercise and regularity of schedule << exercise, easy; regularity of schedule is a dream to me, on account of my profession. 824904;1410397903;mircea_popescu;my schedule is utterly irregular if it helps anything. 824905;1410397916;kakobrekla;i dont even have one. 824906;1410397919;asciilifeform;'HardwareWallet' << lol! they never get tired, do they. 824907;1410397963;BingoBoingo;What is a schedule and does it self lubricate? 824908;1410397970;asciilifeform;not possible to release HW-1 with an open firmware due to NDA << anybody got an ion beam machine? 'gentlemen, start your engines.' 824909;1410397999;*;kakobrekla doesnt 824910;1410398019;asciilifeform;irregular schedule because you don't feel like sleeping in a given week is rather different from because phone rings and you have to get in a wheeled coffin because otherwise starve. 824911;1410398075;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform> irregular schedule because you don't feel like sleeping in a given week is rather different from because phone rings and you have to get in a wheeled coffin because otherwise starve. << I prefer to think of my car as an ablative Iron Man suit that protects me from exertion and damage at high speeds 824912;1410398097;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform how is this different ? 824913;1410398123;asciilifeform;same as difference between ordinary sex and working as 'crack whore' 824914;1410398173;asciilifeform;or, horse in mongolian plains, far from man, and cart horse 824915;1410398173;asciilifeform;etc. 824916;1410398233;mircea_popescu;i don't see it. so in both cases you don't feel like sleeping that week 824917;1410398238;mircea_popescu;if you felt like it, you would. 824918;1410398266;asciilifeform;in case #2, just as you might feel like it, the bells might well ring. 824919;1410398290;mircea_popescu;right ? 824920;1410398315;asciilifeform;#1 - you want, you sleep. 824921;1410398373;mircea_popescu;i dun credit this. you kill a guy, you've killed some guy. there's no "i had to kill him", is there ? there's no "i had to eat this icecream". you eat it, you get fat, you don't, you don't. 824922;1410398421;asciilifeform;the observation was specifically about sleep (rather than the particular activity during the day, such as killings) 824923;1410398430;mircea_popescu;but even that. 824924;1410398447;asciilifeform;not sleeping because don't want yet is rather different from other people keeping you awake 824925;1410398449;mircea_popescu;if you don't feel like sleeping, does it matter what bell arrangement you use to ruin your sleep for you ? 824926;1410398457;BingoBoingo;Eh, some weeks I'll sleep 3 hours. Others I'll sleep 12 a day. 824927;1410398468;asciilifeform;bell is used by other people to ruin your sleep. in exchange for food & housing. 824928;1410398481;*;asciilifeform suspects he is not alone in this experience here 824929;1410398509;mircea_popescu;this is like "the sun is moving on the sky" "no the earth is moving really". 824930;1410398522;BingoBoingo;I live atm next to a fucking race track. have slept through races 824931;1410398534;asciilifeform;nah, more like the difference between being told 'let them eat cake' and eating cake. 824932;1410398572;mircea_popescu;you know the difference between antoinette and teh populace isn't that she's richer than them, it's that unlike them she dun care if she dies. 824933;1410398594;kakobrekla;i think mp is tying to say that everything but death is optional 824934;1410398618;mircea_popescu;kakobrekla no but i mean... you gotta APPLY to these people's waking up service. job interview and all that. 824935;1410398632;mircea_popescu;at some point in there you gotta admit you pretty much went "sleep, fu." 824936;1410398667;mircea_popescu;now im asked to credit that whether you do this for purely aesthetic reasons or otherwise makes a difference. 824937;1410398675;mircea_popescu;well... what difference does it make ? you're still awake. 824938;1410398737;kakobrekla;your universal law of sleep undisturbness is unknown to most of the world. 824939;1410398753;mircea_popescu;hey, i bring light intra tenebrae :D 824940;1410398925;BingoBoingo;;;tickler 824941;1410398925;gribble;Error: "tickler" is not a valid command. 824942;1410398931;BingoBoingo;^ nanotube 824943;1410398939;mircea_popescu;;;ticker dude 824944;1410398939;gribble;(ticker [--bid|--ask|--last|--high|--low|--avg|--vol] [--currency XXX] [--market |all]) -- Return pretty-printed ticker. Default market is Bitstamp. If one of the result options is given, returns only that numeric result (useful for nesting in calculations). If '--currency XXX' option is given, returns ticker for that three-letter currency code. It is up to you to make sure (1 more message) 824945;1410398949;mircea_popescu;stop pinging the poor guy spuriously. he like teaches and shit. 824946;1410398949;BingoBoingo;Why can't we tickle yet? 824947;1410398954;BingoBoingo;Ah 824948;1410399161;mircea_popescu;jesus fuck 824949;1410399165;mircea_popescu;$depth s.mpoe 824950;1410399167;empyex;mircea_popescu: [S.MPOE] Bids: 3700 @ 0.00076773 10633 @ 0.00076594 10800 @ 0.00076507 10275 @ 0.00076418 824951;1410399168;empyex;mircea_popescu: [S.MPOE] Asks: 22250 @ 0.00076782 14306 @ 0.00076969 36377 @ 0.00076980 4395 @ 0.00076988 824952;1410399184;mircea_popescu;9 satoshi apart ? what is this, some sort of joke ? 824953;1410399192;BingoBoingo;https://twitter.com/sarzitron/status/509876208251969536 824954;1410399193;assbot;When adopting African kids with AIDS becomes mandatory, urinate in public. As a sex offender you're not allowed near children. /hashtag/lifehacks?src=hash 824955;1410399219;mircea_popescu;yeah, because that law won't change o.o 824956;1410399482;TheNewDeal;ok kind of pissed here. submitted a good wager with 1.6 btc zeroconf, doesn't get accepted. somebody makes a shitty bet about 4chan and posts .09 btc and it gets accepted? 824957;1410399503;mircea_popescu;can it be with specifics ? 824958;1410399532;BingoBoingo;I though it was clear that 2BTC is pretty much the new zeroconf magic number 824959;1410399584;TheNewDeal;badgers bet 824960;1410399615;TheNewDeal;1.66 is virtually 2, and if I would have known .3 btc would have made any sort of difference I would have obviously added it 824961;1410399635;BingoBoingo;Blame sports it seems it the issue 824962;1410399668;TheNewDeal;sports wasn't the issue. No bets being placed on soccer, while creating 50 bets was a issue 824963;1410399687;BingoBoingo;http://i.crackedcdn.com/phpimages/photoshop/7/7/2/313772_v1.jpg 824964;1410399794;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] [PAID] 166.02027623 BTC to 500`000`000 shares, 33 satoshi per share 824965;1410399801;mircea_popescu;TheNewDeal i have no idea why i have to drag it out of you. you';re the upset party, you're supposed to be naturally verbose. 824966;1410399811;TheNewDeal;badgers ncaaf 824967;1410399824;TheNewDeal;i was betting on them winning their next 7 consecutive games 824968;1410399843;BingoBoingo;TheNewDeal: Were you betting on No? 824969;1410399848;TheNewDeal;I bet on yes! 824970;1410399860;TheNewDeal;and it could have been open for as much as 6 weeks for betting 824971;1410399883;mircea_popescu;07-09-2014 Rejected Badgers (NCAAF) to finish 9 games with 2 losses (or more) 824972;1410399883;mircea_popescu;Rejection reason: Consider submitting with substantial paid wager. 824973;1410399888;mircea_popescu;that ? you put 1.6 on yes ? 824974;1410399897;TheNewDeal;1.666 to be technical 824975;1410399910;mircea_popescu;what do you figure the odds to be on this ? 824976;1410399918;BingoBoingo;Wisconsin doesn't exactly have a challenging schedule 824977;1410399935;mircea_popescu;2 or more losses means they need what, 2 out of 9 wins ? 824978;1410399949;mircea_popescu;has there even been a game with 8 losses out of 9 ? 824979;1410399952;TheNewDeal;they need to win all of the games up until 9, or they will have 2 losses 824980;1410399955;mircea_popescu;s/game/team 824981;1410399962;mircea_popescu;(or more) 824982;1410399974;BingoBoingo;http://espn.go.com/college-football/team/_/id/275/wisconsin-badgers 824983;1410399975;assbot;Wisconsin Football - Badgers News, Scores, Videos - College Football - ESPN 824984;1410400002;TheNewDeal;#9 was an away game against purdue 824985;1410400011;BingoBoingo;#18 Wisconsin should play the rest of their season undefeated 824986;1410400023;TheNewDeal;that's ridiculous 824987;1410400026;BingoBoingo;WTF Bullshit schedule is that 824988;1410400026;TheNewDeal;ill bet you on that 824989;1410400039;TheNewDeal;nebraska and iowa are no gimme 824990;1410400079;BingoBoingo;I would, but that would be Un-PC given Bo Pellini's face Chlymidia 824991;1410400100;mircea_popescu;TheNewDeal so are you clear on wha happened there ? 824992;1410400114;TheNewDeal;I had to bet more, is what I understand 824993;1410400123;mircea_popescu;dude. 824994;1410400133;TheNewDeal;no? 824995;1410400143;BingoBoingo;But of the stretch to the Purdue game, Wisconsin should still be able to Lose to Northwestern and YEs still wins. 824996;1410400148;mircea_popescu;Badgers (NCAAF) to finish 9 games with 2 losses (or more) <<< ie, if they have 5 losses, it's a yes. 824997;1410400151;BingoBoingo;Illinois isn't beating Wisconsin 824998;1410400154;mircea_popescu;if they have 9 losses, it's a yes. 824999;1410400161;TheNewDeal;if that have 2 losses, it's a yes 825000;1410400164;TheNewDeal;and i wrote that it closes 825001;1410400196;BingoBoingo;Maryland *might* beat Wisconsin if alf can shock their team just right 825002;1410400209;TheNewDeal;I realize it was worded shitlity, but I needed to draw some light on the fact that they already lost one game 825003;1410400230;mircea_popescu;well so a) word it better ; b) obscure sports bets 2 btc as per whenever i announced this. 825004;1410400265;*;asciilifeform confesses he never once saw maryland play a game, despite living in 100 metres of where the (local half) of the games played out for 2 years, and within 5km for past 11 yrs. 825005;1410400291;mircea_popescu;what's this anyway, baseball ? 825006;1410400297;asciilifeform;i assumed football. 825007;1410400302;asciilifeform;(american football) 825008;1410400337;mircea_popescu;maybe you're not in the demo. 825009;1410400343;asciilifeform;possibly. 825010;1410400368;*;asciilifeform is embarrassingly ignorant of matters of modern sport 825011;1410400402;BingoBoingo;TheNewDeal: What happened to the B1G, You don't play any of [Michigan. Michigan State, Ohio SucksCocks University} 825012;1410400431;TheNewDeal;they split it up 825013;1410400441;TheNewDeal;they play a tournament at the end of the year now 825014;1410400456;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: why would chlamydia cripple a footballist ? 825015;1410400458;BingoBoingo;What, like JewGolf? 825016;1410400497;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: He's the coach, needs to be able to see. 825017;1410400950;BingoBoingo;!up chalbersma 825018;1410401014;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3700 @ 0.00076773 = 2.8406 BTC [+] 825019;1410401016;RagnarDanneskjol;chalbersma is the pool dev we discussed 825020;1410401037;mircea_popescu;wellcome chalbersma 825021;1410401040;chalbersma;Hello MP 825022;1410401057;mircea_popescu;RagnarDanneskjol now to get me up to speed, where did we discuss this ? 825023;1410401074;RagnarDanneskjol;a few weeks ago in chan 825024;1410401083;mircea_popescu;can ye link ? 825025;1410401088;RagnarDanneskjol;will try 825026;1410401097;mircea_popescu;!s is your friend 825027;1410401099;assbot;38 results for 'is your friend' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=is+your+friend 825028;1410401308;RagnarDanneskjol;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=20-08-2014#802685 825029;1410401308;assbot;Logged on 20-08-2014 11:38:13; mircea_popescu: I know more than a few highly competent pool hosts if this one proves unreliable << so hook something up 825030;1410401412;mircea_popescu;aha. well, that proved reliable so far, but anyway, let's see if we can do something for your friend here. 825031;1410401421;mircea_popescu;chalbersma what do you have in mind ? 825032;1410401444;RagnarDanneskjol;regarding p2pool setup / hosting that is 825033;1410401449;*;X-Rob pays attention 825034;1410401519;mircea_popescu;X-Rob refresh me, what's the problem with p2pool in bitcoin again ? too slow -> orphans or what was it ? 825035;1410401537;RagnarDanneskjol;i didn't think there was an atc p2pool avail with monitoring, etc that anyone could use 825036;1410401538;X-Rob;mircea_popescu: nothing's really wrong with p2pool in bitcoin, as it has a decent block time 825037;1410401565;mircea_popescu;RagnarDanneskjol well x-rob was going to make one, but then he got high. 825038;1410401567;BingoBoingo;Now the COinminer ATC p2pool was configured poorly or something? 825039;1410401571;X-Rob;p2pool with coins that have ultra-short block times cause issues, as the p2pool share time is 1/10th of the coin block time 825040;1410401605;X-Rob;It kept falling over, I think was the major issue. 825041;1410401617;mircea_popescu;why that ? 825042;1410401626;mircea_popescu;!up chalbersma 825043;1410401629;mircea_popescu;can he even talk lol 825044;1410401661;X-Rob;BingoBoingo had already voiced him 8) 825045;1410401680;BingoBoingo;Well a problem with the Coinminer p2pool was they never fucking responded to inquiries 825046;1410401683;mircea_popescu;so then why exactly are there no p2p pools in bitcoin ? 825047;1410401685;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10350 @ 0.00076594 = 7.9275 BTC [-] 825048;1410401700;X-Rob;mircea_popescu: p2pool in bitcoin was 5% of the network, last time I looked. 825049;1410401702;BingoBoingo;There's a Bitcoin p2pool 825050;1410401704;X-Rob;that's not 'no'. 825051;1410401715;mircea_popescu;kay, i stand corrected 825052;1410401719;chalbersma;I was more wondering what exactly you were looking for. 825053;1410401719;mircea_popescu;why's it so anemic ? 825054;1410401735;X-Rob;Ah. That's a different question. BEcause people can't math. 825055;1410401742;mircea_popescu;chalbersma well, atc is this direct btc clone. it currenlty has not much of a usable pool. 825056;1410401752;BingoBoingo;%p 825057;1410401755;atcbot;No data returned from CoinMiner.net 825058;1410401755;atcbot;[PityThePool Hashrate]: 0.00 GH/s [iSpace Pool Hashrate]: 1.61 TH/s 825059;1410401769;BingoBoingo;Oh Pity the Pool died again... 825060;1410401778;BingoBoingo;%p 825061;1410401780;atcbot;No data returned from CoinMiner.net 825062;1410401780;atcbot;[PityThePool Hashrate]: 0.00 GH/s [iSpace Pool Hashrate]: 1.52 TH/s 825063;1410401785;mircea_popescu;X-Rob speaking of ppl can't math : "Basically, by specifying the price to such a huge place, it gives an advantage because it takes a smaller price change to win." 825064;1410401797;BingoBoingo;And iSpace is the opposite of stable 825065;1410401798;chalbersma;I've set it up with bitcoin and from what I understand atc is almost identical it "should work" almost out of the box. 825066;1410401800;X-Rob;mircea_popescu: what's that gibberish? 825067;1410401822;mircea_popescu;fresh offa reddit. people apparently believe that 1.4589799845796 is specified narrowerly than 2. 825068;1410401823;X-Rob;I'm assuming it was comprehensible in context? 825069;1410401830;X-Rob;Oh 825070;1410401830;X-Rob;No 825071;1410401832;X-Rob;No it wasn't. 825072;1410401834;mircea_popescu;oh yes. 825073;1410401840;mircea_popescu;http://www.reddit.com/r/Buttcoin/comments/2fzu74/bitbet_bitcoin_to_surpass_berkshire_as_an/ckeykpc 825074;1410401841;assbot;Mark_Karpeles_Jr comments on BitBet - Bitcoin to surpass Berkshire as an investment :: 1121.08 B (85%) on Yes, 193.66 B (15%) on No 825075;1410401884;mircea_popescu;chalbersma do you run a bitcoin pool atm ? 825076;1410401907;chalbersma;Yes I run one for RSM an internal P2pool node for bitcoin with a few alts merge mined. 825077;1410401922;RagnarDanneskjol;RSM being 825078;1410401928;mircea_popescu;red star mining ? 825079;1410401931;chalbersma;Red Star Mining. 825080;1410401932;RagnarDanneskjol;yes 825081;1410401933;chalbersma;Indeed 825082;1410402042;BingoBoingo;chalbersma: How's your Bitcoin history? 825083;1410402073;chalbersma;Mid range started getting involved summer of last year. 825084;1410402104;BingoBoingo;chalbersma: Given the first name Meni... Can you offer a last name and a list of transgressions? 825085;1410402105;chalbersma;Did a couple of small projects: https://github.com/chalbersma/btcaddrtocsv 825086;1410402106;assbot;chalbersma/btcaddrtocsv GitHub 825087;1410402121;RagnarDanneskjol;he's a candidate who came to me, i interviewed a few times and deemed worthy of such an undertaking 825088;1410402126;TheNewDeal;for a second I thought he operated a pool for richard stallman... 825089;1410402142;assbot;Last 1 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/0XF8XT8.txt ) 825090;1410402142;BingoBoingo;!b 1 825091;1410402145;asciilifeform;lol! 825092;1410402183;X-Rob;mircea_popescu: http://www.reddit.com/r/Buttcoin/comments/2fzu74/bitbet_bitcoin_to_surpass_berkshire_as_an/ckezgkh 825093;1410402184;assbot;xrobau comments on BitBet - Bitcoin to surpass Berkshire as an investment :: 1121.08 B (85%) on Yes, 193.66 B (15%) on No 825094;1410402187;X-Rob;I couldn't resist 825095;1410402225;*;asciilifeform saw 'red star', thought 'what a soviet mining firm might've been named', went to check 'http://bitcoin.su.' lo and behold - there's one. 825096;1410402241;mircea_popescu;sorry bout that. 825097;1410402241;asciilifeform;frozen in time, links to 'mtgox' 825098;1410402242;chalbersma;:) Ya I didn't name the company. 825099;1410402256;mircea_popescu;chalbersma so what's your relation to the guy running it, w/e his name is ? 825100;1410402261;asciilifeform;(and glbse!) 825101;1410402308;chalbersma;We're friends. Are you asking me to tell you his name? 825102;1410402333;RagnarDanneskjol;he's a nice southern gentleman who wanted to work in crypto and just happened to live in close proximity to them 825103;1410402360;RagnarDanneskjol;he didnt know in advance of employment, correct me if i'm wrong chris 825104;1410402382;mircea_popescu;chalbersma well no, but we aren't friends is all :) 825105;1410402403;RagnarDanneskjol;big surprise 825106;1410402421;mircea_popescu;anyway, so you setup a private p2poolk for rsm. anything non private / i can verify ? 825107;1410402425;chalbersma;Ya he has an opinion about you but then again he's a bit hotheaded and has opinions about a lot of people. But he gave me my first break in bitcoin so... 825108;1410402454;mircea_popescu;chalbersma contrary to what BingoBoingo may have you believe, there's no secret initiation rite, especiually nothing involving blood. 825109;1410402479;mircea_popescu;or sorbothane. 825110;1410402495;chalbersma;Ya but I needed someone to "show me the ropes" so to speak. I'm sure I could have done it myself but this gave me a structured way to start. 825111;1410402498;*;asciilifeform sorbothaned for nothing! 825112;1410402502;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: It totally involves blood, but yes it isn't secret... Totally public 825113;1410402503;mircea_popescu;!up KRS-1 825114;1410402522;mod6; 825115;1410402539;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7329 @ 0.00076418 = 5.6007 BTC [-] 825116;1410402542;BingoBoingo;chalbersma: What are your favorite Unixisms? 825117;1410402544;mike_c;RagnarDanneskjol: did you mention awhile ago that you were involved with a new ATC block explorer? or did I make that up in a dream? 825118;1410402563;chalbersma;ATM the RSM p2pool has a private IP in the DC but we're working on getting it a public one. When the request comes back you'd be able to log into the public stats page and check it out. 825119;1410402580;mircea_popescu;chalbersma what sort of load does it carry ? 825120;1410402581;RagnarDanneskjol;mike_c -I'm working on it - a wallet too, should be done soon 825121;1410402589;RagnarDanneskjol;like maybe this week 825122;1410402593;KRS-1;Anyone care to share your thoughts on this article? I know many of you aren't America, but perhaps you can relate afterall. http://boldanddetermined.com/2011/11/10/the-continued-pussification-of-the-american-male/ 825123;1410402594;assbot;The Continued Pussification of the American Male 825124;1410402594;mike_c;ah, excellent 825125;1410402599;chalbersma;ATM 5 1TH/s miners from bitmine.ch 825126;1410402622;BingoBoingo;KRS-1: Yours? 825127;1410402631;KRS-1;no not at all 825128;1410402631;nanotube;BingoBoingo: tickler eh hehe. mircea_popescu thanks for the concern :D 825129;1410402636;mircea_popescu;chalbersma and what do you run it on ? vps ? amazon ? 825130;1410402644;KRS-1;I don't publish anything. 825131;1410402647;mircea_popescu;nanotube :p 825132;1410402669;BingoBoingo;KRS-1: Why not, you've often had insightful things. 825133;1410402683;mircea_popescu;kinda really shy. KRS. 825134;1410402701;KRS-1;I've often thought about it tbh. 825135;1410402712;mircea_popescu;"Gentlemen, being a man is great. You get to use your muscles to pick up heavy things, you get to use your dick to fuck things, and you get to use your brain to think and create things. It’s no wonder feminist’s hate men – they desperately want what we have but they can never have it. But how the heck have they convinced MEN that being a man is bad or evil?" << ah come on, women can't lift things ? wtf. 825136;1410402758;BingoBoingo;I mean German women are the backbone of Europe 825137;1410402775;KRS-1;I've got to admit the author has an edge and I find a lot of his writing pretty good. 825138;1410402820;mircea_popescu;KRS-1 well so the guy has broadly speaking a point. otherwise he's much too blund and sorely uneducated/uninformed to make much of it. 825139;1410402823;mircea_popescu;not my cup. 825140;1410402831;BingoBoingo;Whatever happened to BTC knife guy 825141;1410402868;chalbersma;1 colo'ed of these: http://www.supermicro.com/products/system/1U/5018/SYS-5018A-TN4.cfm 825142;1410402870;assbot;Supermicro | Products | SuperServers | 1U | 5018A-TN4 825143;1410402909;mircea_popescu;for a 1th/s pool ? 825144;1410402909;chalbersma;Originally designed it to do scrypt p2pool with many alts but the scrypt hardware we pre-ordered was delayed. 825145;1410402947;KRS-1;Cool thanks for checking it out 825146;1410402963;BingoBoingo;chalbersma: Where do you Colo? 825147;1410402983;chalbersma;Netsolus : http://www.netsolus.com/ 825148;1410402985;assbot;netsolus | IT Services Kansas City 825149;1410402986;BingoBoingo;chalbersma: I've been looking at datacenters in the region for my blog 825150;1410403012;BingoBoingo;Fuck KC, I was hoping you'd have an StL solution. Or maybe CoMo 825151;1410403031;KRS-1;imo Texas is the best place to set up shop 825152;1410403040;chalbersma;:) 825153;1410403085;BingoBoingo;Only Texans I've met have been steers and queers 825154;1410403101;KRS-1;HAHA I've heard that before 825155;1410403130;KRS-1;At least 5 major carriers converge somewhere in Dallas. Major peering points. 825156;1410403157;mircea_popescu;txas is good. atlanta is also good. slc is actually decent 825157;1410403199;mircea_popescu;chalbersma ok so, part of the problem here is that the entire market cap of atc is about what it'd cost to get a server colo'd. 825158;1410403236;chalbersma;Depending on the size of the atc blockchain you may be able to host it on a VPS cheaper. 825159;1410403254;chalbersma;Or potentially host it off someones home connection for a smaller fee. 825160;1410403277;RagnarDanneskjol;its miniscule <100mb i believe 825161;1410403300;decimation;re: hoa << it's a scam that's also perpetrated by the 'property management' industry 825162;1410403309;BingoBoingo;I could move 4 times in the next year so my home connection is iffy 825163;1410403328;decimation;they charge several hundred $usd to provide the 'paperwork' needed to sell a house with covenants 825164;1410403329;mircea_popescu;you have a home now ?! 825165;1410403363;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: Well, I have a domain name 825166;1410403367;mircea_popescu;aok 825167;1410403382;BingoBoingo;Otherwise I have couches 825168;1410403396;decimation;also many states/counties charge a high fee to reproduce the official deeds with covenants 825169;1410403421;mircea_popescu;who cares about a few hundred ? 825170;1410403430;BingoBoingo;HOA's are a scam because most of them ban unkers 825171;1410403433;TheNewDeal;KRS-1 not totally convinced "soy is an estrogen enhancing garbage by-product." Used to supplement it while lifting weights in the past, worked just fine for muscle buidling 825172;1410403434;BingoBoingo;*bunkers 825173;1410403442;asciilifeform;unkers ? 825174;1410403451;asciilifeform;aha 825175;1410403464;decimation;well individually nobody (it's a roundoff error in the total 'fees' required to transact us real estate) , but spread over thousands of transactions you have a 'special interest' 825176;1410403465;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: Meant bunkers, I would love a studio apartment under the pasture 825177;1410403470;BingoBoingo;!up chalbersma 825178;1410403483;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: if you can't build a bunker in secret from aerially-observing enemy, it isn't a real bunker. 825179;1410403498;asciilifeform;nor are the lands sufficiently large then 825180;1410403512;decimation;also many of them have language banning antennas of all kinds -- this was 'encouraged' by the cable companies 825181;1410403522;asciilifeform;carry away the earth in buckets, if you have to, in pant pockets - as pictured in 'the great escape.' 825182;1410403532;mircea_popescu;chalbersma what's this datacoin thing ? 825183;1410403537;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: Amaxing how much of the research in this field is documented on "reality tv" 825184;1410403544;asciilifeform;decimation: antennae << unenforceable in usa. fcc (fed gov.) has final jurisdiction over antennae. 825185;1410403548;mircea_popescu;!up chalbersma 825186;1410403551;decimation;they usually also ban things like clotheslines and pretty much anything unusual 825187;1410403580;decimation;asciilifeform: that only applies to regular humans using 'small' (less than 1 meter) sat dishes or tv antennas 825188;1410403580;chalbersma;Almost dead now. I was quite interested in it. Was permanent storage in a blockchain. Never really valuable but an interesting concept. 825189;1410403589;BingoBoingo;What if my dick curves ever so slightly to the left? It's conductive... antenna? 825190;1410403594;asciilifeform;decimation: http://www.fcc.gov/guides/over-air-reception-devices-rule 825191;1410403594;assbot;Over-the-Air Reception Devices Rule | FCC.gov 825192;1410403602;asciilifeform;right, 1m. 825193;1410403618;decimation;right, 30 foot tower with 15 foot HF dipole is banned 825194;1410403632;decimation;most us folk think antennas are 'ugly' 825195;1410403638;mircea_popescu;decimation well in exchange you get to not have a pole around 825196;1410403649;decimation;"The rule (47 C.F.R. Section 1.4000) has been in effect since October 1996, and it prohibits restrictions that impair the installation, maintenance or use of antennas used to receive video programming. " 825197;1410403654;BingoBoingo;Antenna need not be pole. Saltwater lake works too. 825198;1410403663;decimation;you see, it's okay to receive propaganda 825199;1410403684;decimation;BingoBoingo: not if you want low-angle radiation for maximal ionospheric skip 825200;1410403705;mircea_popescu;chalbersma i see. well okay, so do you see yourself running a bunch of pools in the future ? or what ? 825201;1410403712;BingoBoingo;decimation: Then you dig your lake a better hole and insert pipes for "irrigation" 825202;1410403718;decimation;although it's true that many objects can be made to radiate if matched properly 825203;1410403732;decimation;although a salt marsh would make an ideal ground plane 825204;1410403758;BingoBoingo;decimation: or ground aspargus mound works perfectly 825205;1410403768;decimation;many hams use a 'flagpole' 825206;1410403782;decimation;or string sufficiently invisible wire in a tree 825207;1410403795;chalbersma;Not sure to be honest. I'm a Sys Admin by day so it seemed natural to bring those skills to bitcoin as I started to get into it. 825208;1410403814;mircea_popescu;trustable btc hosting is probably in more demand atm 825209;1410403824;mircea_popescu;if you sysadmin for a living start your own host. 825210;1410403834;asciilifeform;hams use a 'flagpole' << think from this angle - any scenario where a gigantic antenna is a plus, it is also quite important that it be hidden from prying eyes 825211;1410403840;chalbersma;If they're is enough interest in p2pool and other mining servers I might consider it. 825212;1410403850;decimation;usg's sub-agents are continuing a fight against anything usual: http://www.washingtonpost.com/local/in-dc-a-12-year-old-piano-prodigy-is-treated-as-a-truant-instead-of-a-star-student/2014/09/08/58962746-3727-11e4-bdfb-de4104544a37_story.html 825213;1410403851;assbot;In D.C., a 13-year-old piano prodigy is treated as a truant instead of a star student - The Washington Post 825214;1410403853;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform you can't hide an antenna. this is the definition of antennae. 825215;1410403866;asciilifeform;decimation: linked 2 days ago here. 825216;1410403869;decimation;sure you can hide antennae 825217;1410403869;mircea_popescu;decimation 12 or 13 ? 825218;1410403874;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: can hide if receiving. 825219;1410403875;decimation;heh 825220;1410403892;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform if receiving don't even need all that much. 825221;1410403895;KRS-1;lol so many sysadmins 825222;1410403902;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: (unless it's 1941 and you're pissing inadvertent heterodyne noise to a waiting wagen on street) 825223;1410403907;KRS-1;errywhere 825224;1410403916;decimation;yeah the real complication comes when you want to pump high power into something and have it not burn/explode 825225;1410403930;RagnarDanneskjol;chalbersma - the interest is there - I get requests for pool talent all the time. 825226;1410403938;BingoBoingo;chalbersma: Any experience with Solaris or Free(storage)BSD? Any intent on running a hosting operation yourself? 825227;1410403970;mircea_popescu;after bitvps went to the dogs i dunno that there's actually any dedicated btc hoster 825228;1410404003;KRS-1;BingoBoingo: I work for a datacenter in Canada. I often thought of setting up something but I go blank when I think of what to do. 825229;1410404015;chalbersma;@Bingo would consider it in the future. Not looking into starting a hosting gig full time at this point. I haven't worked with Solaris but at my last job I did setup an internal FreeBSD webserver for them and I've been keeping up with FBSD for a while (esp. that ZFS goodness). 825230;1410404028;KRS-1;openstack often comes to mind lately though 825231;1410404054;BingoBoingo;Openstack is bollocks, mysterymeat 825232;1410404067;chalbersma;@Bingo I am also interested in MaidSafe it seems like if it's implemented properly it could be the decentralized Amazon EC2. 825233;1410404071;decimation;I was thinking to myself this evening: what if Washington DC were washed into the sea tomorrow? usg's contingency plans would probably be to move the government west, in the middle of the kulaks they have been harassing for decades. I don't think that 'contingency usg' would survive as an entity that we would recognize. 825234;1410404108;mircea_popescu;what sort of silly counterfactual is this. 825235;1410404128;decimation;re: solaris << had a proper live stack tracing system. This is what linux has: http://poormansprofiler.org/ 825236;1410404128;assbot;poor man's profiler 825237;1410404133;BingoBoingo;decimation: You know StL was considered as a potential replacement DC after it was sacked by Canada 825238;1410404187;BingoBoingo;decimation: Dtrace has been a thing since I was a wee college freshman 825239;1410404199;chalbersma;I've heard rumors of Denver. Major air hub, centrally located, US mint, near AF College... 825240;1410404229;BingoBoingo;Only problem is legal weed 825241;1410404239;chalbersma;Plus the usg couldn't get any worse if it was toking up. :) 825242;1410404257;BingoBoingo;I dunno anymoar after Obummer 825243;1410404257;asciilifeform;profilers << 'valgrind.' 825244;1410404263;RagnarDanneskjol;!up RagnarsBitch 825245;1410404271;mircea_popescu;allow me to contribute a naked woman with cane marks on buttocks and buckets to the discussion. http://38.media.tumblr.com/cf703026c6e39b636e296a6e9a8a9072/tumblr_mrhlp197Gz1sum4lro4_500.jpg 825246;1410404287;decimation;asciilifeform: try running 'valgrind' on an application that requires high-bandwidth/speed performance 825247;1410404313;*;BingoBoingo wonders if there is a 68k port of Valgrind 825248;1410404313;asciilifeform;decimation: requires, as in, to work in any logical sense at all? 825249;1410404320;decimation;chalbersma: denver would be logical. my point is that I suspect that usg employees are paid $$$ to write fantasy 825250;1410404334;asciilifeform;profiler generally exists to eyeball what portion of the time is spent where in the program. 825251;1410404339;decimation;asciilifeform: no as in if it must keep up with real-time hardware 825252;1410404347;asciilifeform;decimation: you're stuck purchasing an ICE then. 825253;1410404365;decimation;can you buy such a beast for high-end intel boards? 825254;1410404370;asciilifeform;decimation: yes. 825255;1410404374;BingoBoingo; asciilifeform: no as in if it must keep up with real-time hardware << Sounds like someone needs to buy Alpha IP from Intel 825256;1410404405;decimation;linux actually has something called 'perf' that does this - sorta - but the problem is that it doesn't do a full backtrace 825257;1410404409;BingoBoingo;http://www.vice.com/read/how-to-have-a-non-monogomous-relationship-169?utm_source=vicetwitterus 825258;1410404410;assbot;How to Have a Non-Monogamous Relationship | VICE United States 825259;1410404411;chalbersma;So this p2pool server are you looking for one to run with ATC or with Bitcoin? My understanding is that ATC is not merge minable. 825260;1410404422;asciilifeform;decimation: intel's ice port - http://www.loper-os.org/?p=1441 (empty) 825261;1410404423;assbot;Loper OS » Mechanics of FLUXBABBITT. 825262;1410404447;decimation;asciilifeform: heh yeah, but does it track frame pointers? 825263;1410404457;BingoBoingo;ATC is totally not mergeminable, and there are questions over whether pool hosting costs could be justified for: 825264;1410404462;BingoBoingo;!MPIF 825265;1410404463;assbot;BtcAlpha.com F.MPIF Tracker estimated NAV per share: 0.00021650 B (Total: 473.44 B). Delta: -1.08 B. Last trade for F.MPIF on MPEX was at 0.00022 BTC [+] 825266;1410404473;BingoBoingo;%t 825267;1410404474;atcbot;[X-BT] Bid: 205 Ask: 221 Last Price: 221 24h-Vol: 2k High: 221 Low: 221 VWAP: 221 825268;1410404475;BingoBoingo;%v 825269;1410404475;asciilifeform;decimation: lets you set hardware breakpoints, incl. on register access 825270;1410404477;atcbot;[X-BT VWAP] Bid: 205 Ask: 221 Last Price: 221 30d-Vol: 842k 30d-High: 250 30d-Low: 170 30d-VWAP: 195 825271;1410404478;BingoBoingo;%d 825272;1410404479;atcbot;[ATC Diff] Current Diff: 1878190.93 Est. Next Diff: 282937.87 in 1266 blocks (#46368) Est. % Change: -84.94 825273;1410404488;asciilifeform;decimation: like any decent hardware debugger for other archs 825274;1410404513;BingoBoingo;Valgrind definitely has higher resolution than resedit for sure. 825275;1410404548;BingoBoingo;Resedit being the last great dev tool offered by apple 825276;1410404576;mircea_popescu;chalbersma was for atc yea 825277;1410404596;chalbersma;If the idea is to minimize costs then a VPS is probably your best bet for now. Especially considering that the blockchain is so small. Question can other sha-256 coins be merged ontop of atc? Like namecoin 825278;1410404606;mircea_popescu;not afaik 825279;1410404633;BingoBoingo;No merged mining is possible with ATC, by ThickasTheives design 825280;1410404666;BingoBoingo;ATC is a totally independent SHA-256 chain 825281;1410404681;decimation;BingoBoingo: actually osx has 'dtrace' 825282;1410404684;decimation;http://dtrace.org/blogs/brendan/2011/10/10/top-10-dtrace-scripts-for-mac-os-x/ 825283;1410404686;assbot;Brendan's blog » Top 10 DTrace scripts for Mac OS X 825284;1410404714;BingoBoingo;decimation: OSX is not Mac OS and is not a thing I recognize as existing. 825285;1410404725;decimation;lol 825286;1410404725;chalbersma;I think the real issue then is how much "ummph" does the VPS in question need. I've not had a chance to experiment with the minimum requirements for ATC or p2pool ontop of ATC. 825287;1410404740;decimation;asciilifeform I suspect such hardware would not be cheap 825288;1410404756;BingoBoingo;decimation: The last version of Mac anything was 7.5.1 825289;1410404759;mircea_popescu;X-Rob wa the pool falling over because not enough cpu ? 825290;1410404773;X-Rob;mircea_popescu: I have no idea. It just stopped giving me work 825291;1410404785;chalbersma;Does anyone have an idea of how much ram atc's daemon uses? 825292;1410404790;mircea_popescu;maybe it's because the work had too many decimals. 825293;1410404803;assbot;Last 4 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/3HT3AC6.txt ) 825294;1410404803;BingoBoingo;!b 4 825295;1410404804;mircea_popescu;chalbersma 4mb ? 825296;1410404808;decimation;X-Rob: why do you think folks are willing to pay more than the expected return to rent miners? 825297;1410404833;BingoBoingo;!up AndChat|679296 825298;1410404834;X-Rob;decimation: Because they are willing. It's not a hypothesis. 825299;1410404842;mircea_popescu;im a case study in that neh ? 825300;1410404864;X-Rob;mircea_popescu: No, actually, you're not. I think I ended up charging you about 0.1btc over estimate 825301;1410404868;chalbersma;So not much at all. I think the p2pool node I setup for RSM was using about 400MB of RAM but I was telling that server to manually connect to a number of peers. 825302;1410404873;asciilifeform;decimation: not cheap << see http://www.xach.com/naggum/articles/3233532779857997@naggum.net.html 825303;1410404873;assbot;Re: Upper limits of CL - Naggum cll archive 825304;1410404883;BingoBoingo;%v 825305;1410404884;atcbot;[X-BT VWAP] Bid: 205 Ask: 221 Last Price: 221 30d-Vol: 842k 30d-High: 250 30d-Low: 170 30d-VWAP: 195 825306;1410404894;mircea_popescu;X-Rob so that's not overpaying ? because why, not enough decimals ? :D 825307;1410404909;X-Rob;Because that's well within statistical uncertanty 825308;1410404923;BingoBoingo;!up Guest36874 825309;1410404933;mircea_popescu;but admitting for the sake of admittance. 825310;1410404953;asciilifeform;profilers << first, try 'gcov' - bare essentials, conveniently baked into gcc. 825311;1410404968;X-Rob;mircea_popescu: I think he's referring to me being at estimate * 1.25 on leaserig. 825312;1410404990;decimation;asciilifeform: I think with the new 'dwarf frames' & libunwind things have gotten better on linux 825313;1410405014;X-Rob;decimation: I feel that I'm always at the bottom edge of the market of rig hire. I don't want to appear to rip people off 825314;1410405015;mircea_popescu;25% ?! 825315;1410405029;X-Rob;However, I invested 1BTC to lease a bunch of rigs when SSD was released 825316;1410405037;X-Rob;I ended up owning almost 10% of the coin 825317;1410405050;mircea_popescu;what is ssd even 825318;1410405052;X-Rob;which I then sold and recouped my investment with a nice margin 825319;1410405063;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: SSD is burn only 825320;1410405066;X-Rob;mircea_popescu: Sonic Screw Driver. Tor-based coin. Technically interesting. 825321;1410405074;mircea_popescu;uh. jeez. 825322;1410405079;decimation;X-Rob: good move, sounds like a decent business 825323;1410405096;asciilifeform;decimation: http://pastebin.com/scRkxz9w << example from life 825324;1410405097;assbot;[C] example of gcov - Pastebin.com 825325;1410405099;X-Rob;decimation: It's not a business. It's a hobby. 825326;1410405128;mircea_popescu;tbh i imagine that's what powers the 25%. narrow base. 825327;1410405143;asciilifeform;decimation: here - it counted. ~5000 hrs of runtime, had to count. 825328;1410405149;Guest36874;I'm almost certain its not a CPU or decimal issue...pool crashing that is 825329;1410405154;chalbersma;I noticed someone said they didn't like bitvps but they have VPS for $20/mo that may do the trick. I assume other vps providers have similar pricing. 2 cores 2G 20GB 2TB transfer. 825330;1410405164;chalbersma;brb 825331;1410405168;asciilifeform;decimation: (on 32 cpu. cost money, at the time.) 825332;1410405194;X-Rob;mircea_popescu: yep. It's unusual for my main rig to be idle for more than 6 hours or so. 825333;1410405201;BingoBoingo;chalbersma: Bitvps has history here 825334;1410405210;BingoBoingo;;;gettrust rg 825335;1410405211;gribble;WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user BingoBoingo to user rg: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 4 via 13 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=BingoBoingo&dest=rg | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=rg | Rated since: Sun Jun 5 13:39:49 2011 825336;1410405217;thestringpuller;keep dem hashes going 825337;1410405245;thestringpuller;BingoBoingo: Namworld helped to turn bitvps around 825338;1410405245;decimation;asciilifeform: thanks for the example 825339;1410405268;asciilifeform;decimation: not so much example for output (you can see that in 'man' page) but of where you might actually bother with profilers. 825340;1410405300;decimation;asciilifeform: I find that they are useful for picking the 'low hanging fruit' 825341;1410405308;decimation;programmers today are so lazy and wasteful with memory 825342;1410405336;mircea_popescu;it's judicious allocation decimation. compare cost of ram chips with what programmers cost. 825343;1410405345;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6750 @ 0.0007626 = 5.1476 BTC [-] {2} 825344;1410405357;decimation;I wish the hardware had garbage collection built-in like your dream, but the problem is that the von neumann world is going the other direction 825345;1410405363;asciilifeform;'programmers' is a ware in the same sense as 'food' 825346;1410405373;mircea_popescu;this is true 825347;1410405389;decimation;mircea_popescu: I guess I'm talking more about 'thrashing' - allocating and deallocating memory without care 825348;1410405402;thestringpuller;the life and times 825349;1410405435;mircea_popescu;;;rate chalbersma 1 new blood. 825350;1410405437;gribble;Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user chalbersma has been recorded. 825351;1410405442;mircea_popescu;!up chalbersma 825352;1410405454;mircea_popescu;you can self-up if identified to gribble, just pm assbot !up 825353;1410405469;decimation;as memory becomes slower relative to cores*cache available the incentive is to micro-manage how data is shoveled into the cpus 825354;1410405505;mircea_popescu;or make the bus wider 825355;1410405531;chalbersma;okay 825356;1410405551;mircea_popescu;!up upme_boolcrap 825357;1410405557;upme_boolcrap;hi 825358;1410405559;mircea_popescu;ello 825359;1410405562;upme_boolcrap;how goes it 825360;1410405575;mircea_popescu;im on my third slice of chocolate cake 825361;1410405575;asciilifeform;upme_boolcrap: where'd you put your key. 825362;1410405582;upme_boolcrap;nice cake 825363;1410405585;upme_boolcrap;i put my key in my other wallet 825364;1410405588;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform uphim. 825365;1410405592;upme_boolcrap;locked it in my safe and abandoned ship 825366;1410405595;asciilifeform;!up upme_boolcrap 825367;1410405621;mircea_popescu;;;bc,stats 825368;1410405623;gribble;Current Blocks: 320082 | Current Difficulty: 2.7428630902257874E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 320543 | Next Difficulty In: 461 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 3 days, 2 hours, 15 minutes, and 18 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 29144209996.7 | Estimated Percent Change: 6.2547 825369;1410405639;upme_boolcrap;what kind of chocolate cake 825370;1410405643;TheNewDeal;network caught a cold 825371;1410405655;decimation;keys aren't safe on the ocean floor: http://www2.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/nukevault/ebb305/ 825372;1410405655;upme_boolcrap;how many women do you have cooking for you at once Mr.P? 825373;1410405659;mircea_popescu;home made 825374;1410405666;mircea_popescu;depends on the day. 825375;1410405676;upme_boolcrap;i imagine they are mostly naked? 825376;1410405693;mircea_popescu;sometimes. 825377;1410405710;upme_boolcrap;you a a god amongst men Mr.P 825378;1410405713;upme_boolcrap;are a. 825379;1410405714;chalbersma;Ya I remember reading about the RG problems. I use bitvps for my blog and it seems fairly stable. But I assume that there's probably a number of people offering VPS hosting for bitcoin these days. 825380;1410405718;mircea_popescu;no. among women. 825381;1410405721;upme_boolcrap;lol 825382;1410405735;upme_boolcrap;how can i convince my wife to let me have more wives 825383;1410405738;mircea_popescu;chalbersma not that many, really. 825384;1410405748;mircea_popescu;upme_boolcrap bring her here. 825385;1410405751;BingoBoingo;chalbersma: What is your blog? 825386;1410405763;TheNewDeal;blag* 825387;1410405769;chalbersma;http://mwguy.us/ 825388;1410405770;assbot;Mid West Guy | A blog detailing useful stuff I've learned. 825389;1410405770;upme_boolcrap;hrm 825390;1410405781;upme_boolcrap;if she let me have more wives she would have to clean less 825391;1410405783;upme_boolcrap;and cook less 825392;1410405790;upme_boolcrap;this isn't all bad for her 825393;1410405810;asciilifeform;upme_boolcrap: you need a replacement wife. a correctly specced one encourages installation of auxiliary wives. 825394;1410405815;mircea_popescu;depends what mess you make. 825395;1410405827;upme_boolcrap;lol 825396;1410405830;upme_boolcrap;auxiliary wives 825397;1410405841;upme_boolcrap;man 825398;1410405844;chalbersma;@upme Has to be about redundancy :) 825399;1410405846;upme_boolcrap;you guys got it made. 825400;1410405862;chalbersma;Not really a marriage until it's N+1 eh? 825401;1410405885;asciilifeform;upme_boolcrap: mind you, socket for aux wives is just a start - you still have to obtain and install. 825402;1410405909;TheNewDeal;chalbersma what was mwgi 825403;1410405914;BingoBoingo;chalbersma: I know you linked an atom server architecture earlier, but x86 can't be your fave... can it? 825404;1410405957;decimation;chalbersma: some good tips on your blog, thanks for writing them up 825405;1410405986;chalbersma;http://ark.intel.com/products/77987 x86-64 arch on this particular processor. 825406;1410405987;assbot;ARK | Intel® Atom Processor C2750 (4M Cache, 2.40 GHz) 825407;1410405987;decimation;chalbersma: lol you still maintain hp-ux? 825408;1410405995;chalbersma;It's the low power stuff. 825409;1410405997;asciilifeform;hp-ux << lol! 825410;1410406010;upme_boolcrap;yeah mr.S 825411;1410406022;upme_boolcrap;so when are we fired 825412;1410406024;*;asciilifeform threw out a 50kg hp-ux (pa-risc!) box when moved 825413;1410406025;chalbersma;Yep the company I work for still developes the latest stuff for HP-UX. Luckily we're moving off it for RHEL later this year. 825414;1410406025;upme_boolcrap;i kind of feel like i have to deliver something 825415;1410406029;decimation;atom cpus suck but they are low power 825416;1410406050;asciilifeform;upme_boolcrap: lol, have some dignity in our honourable mass grave! 825417;1410406058;mircea_popescu;upme_boolcrap say, did oyu have a few drinks ? 825418;1410406062;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: I might be throwing out a lot of boxen soon. 825419;1410406091;upme_boolcrap;lol 825420;1410406101;upme_boolcrap;maybe ascii 825421;1410406104;upme_boolcrap;maybe a few drinks 825422;1410406112;upme_boolcrap;maybe i have indulged in the medical marijuana 825423;1410406116;asciilifeform;lulz 825424;1410406119;BingoBoingo; Yep the company I work for still developes the latest stuff for HP-UX. Luckily we're moving off it for RHEL later this year. << Stahp or I'll have to cover you in my systemd fatwah 825425;1410406143;chalbersma;lols 825426;1410406151;chalbersma;They have AIX too! 825427;1410406158;BingoBoingo;http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/2014/01/19/romanian-billionaire-saves-openbsd/ << chalbersma I scooped you at least once 825428;1410406159;assbot;Romanian Billionaire Saves OpenBSD | Bingo Blog 825429;1410406166;BingoBoingo;AIX isn't real though 825430;1410406175;decimation;chalbersma: are they selling to usg? 825431;1410406183;BingoBoingo;AIX is just fancier panties for S/70 825432;1410406184;asciilifeform;upme_boolcrap: find bug >> http://pastebin.com/scRkxz9w << should occupy your newly-found mental powers 825433;1410406185;assbot;[C] example of gcov - Pastebin.com 825434;1410406215;upme_boolcrap;lol 825435;1410406216;upme_boolcrap;one look at that 825436;1410406218;upme_boolcrap;makes my face bleed 825437;1410406281;chalbersma;@decimation yes but not all the AIX/HP-UX clients are government. 825438;1410406286;asciilifeform;upme_boolcrap: originally phriend's, not mine. i merely de-c++ed, profiled, optimized, massaged, found where to run. 825439;1410406287;decimation;next someone is going to come around saying they maintain IRIX 825440;1410406305;upme_boolcrap;what is it supposed to do? 825441;1410406313;*;asciilifeform keeps an irix box around. 825442;1410406321;decimation;asciilifeform: they were pretty to be sure 825443;1410406367;decimation;awhile ago I was looking for modern dumb-terminal, found here: http://geoffg.net/terminal.html 825444;1410406368;assbot;Geoff's Projects - ASCII Video Terminal 825445;1410406371;asciilifeform;upme_boolcrap: calculates m. petitjean's chirality index for alpha-quartz crystal lattice of growing size. just as printed on the box. 825446;1410406384;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: Isn't Irix basically crotchless panties? 825447;1410406386;asciilifeform;(defined here, http://petitjeanmichel.free.fr/itoweb.petitjean.skewness.html) 825448;1410406386;assbot;Free Pages Personnelles: Erreur 404 - Document non trouvé 825449;1410406399;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: more or less. don't plug the ethernet in. 825450;1410406446;asciilifeform;modern ascii terminal << ibm 5250, say. 825451;1410406457;asciilifeform;why does it have to be modern-as-in-right-now 825452;1410406492;*;asciilifeform kept an ibm 3161 in uni, right in dorm room 825453;1410406497;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: Modern is A/UX and system 7, everything used nao is postmodern 825454;1410406532;decimation;asciilifeform: my main requirement is to ditch x-ray crt 825455;1410406538;asciilifeform;( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IBM_3101#mediaviewer/File:Ibm3161-setup.jpg << not mine ) 825456;1410406539;assbot;IBM 3101 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia 825457;1410406541;*;BingoBoingo used NetBSD's GPG fork on my MacSE/30 this fucking spring 825458;1410406548;asciilifeform;decimation: crt is what makes it worth having. 825459;1410406550;TheNewDeal;asciilifeform is ceill the typo? 825460;1410406553;asciilifeform;nice, slow phosphours. 825461;1410406560;BingoBoingo;result: machine burned 825462;1410406569;decimation;yeah what bingo said 825463;1410406583;asciilifeform;TheNewDeal: trick. no typo. 825464;1410406593;TheNewDeal;fuck that 825465;1410406601;decimation;I would agree that finding one that spoke rs-422 would be neat 825466;1410406640;asciilifeform;you can plug that 'ibm' or whatever into - anything 825467;1410406652;BingoBoingo;Seriously, burned rather than finish finding entropy to generate keys 825468;1410406657;asciilifeform;if it speaks asynchronous serial (and what doesn't) 825469;1410406697;BingoBoingo; asciilifeform: my main requirement is to ditch x-ray crt << How else are you going to spot USD??? 825470;1410406746;decimation;asciilifeform: yeah I see it supports RS-422, that's neat. Would be useful for a home serial-terminal server 825471;1410406749;*;asciilifeform misses crt, but every time he buys 'amazing!11! well-preserved111! trinitron' - it's a faded turd. 825472;1410406749;assbot;AMAZING COMPANY! 825473;1410406759;*;BingoBoingo assumes the reason for metallic ink on high denomination USD bills is X-Ray shadow at the air port 825474;1410406760;*;asciilifeform besides, would need 4+ of them 825475;1410406776;decimation;asciilifeform: makes me sad I ditched my 21 inch trinitron a few years ago, but it was a heavy bitch 825476;1410406833;asciilifeform;the phosphour fades, and there is nothing to be done about it (besides a dreaded heathen recipe - boost the gun voltage. result: 'radiation king (tm)') 825477;1410406864;decimation;asciilifeform: yeah the weight is mostly the lead in the glass to protect from x-rays 825478;1410406869;asciilifeform;yes. 825479;1410406904;*;BingoBoingo regrets not talking first realish job into the other 3 processors and GB of RAM into the Ultra 80 825480;1410406904;decimation;junk dealers are selling all kinds of old ibm rs-422 terminals for various crazy asks 825481;1410406921;asciilifeform;rs232, mostly 825482;1410406932;asciilifeform;not that it makes more than a few pennies' difference to anyone 825483;1410406958;decimation;probably the way to find those cheap is to find some library or other such institution 'upgrading' to microshit 825484;1410406967;BingoBoingo;Only real difference between rs-422 and rs-232 is five minutes with a knife 825485;1410407015;decimation;BingoBoingo: rs-422 is a differential signal 825486;1410407017;BingoBoingo; probably the way to find those cheap is to find some library or other such institution 'upgrading' to microshit << Interesting you mention this nao, get back to me in 2 weeks 825487;1410407060;BingoBoingo;decimation: I spz. knife instead of plug for a reason... 825488;1410407062;*;decimation remembers every pos and library using said terminals growing up, only to be replaced with buggy-ass windows for no reason 825489;1410407071;*;asciilifeform also saw this 825490;1410407103;decimation;I actually worked in a library in my youth, I quite enjoyed the spring keyboard and the 'peripheral' laser scanner 825491;1410407179;BingoBoingo;FUKU... or whatever my coinbr referal code is. I'm trying to get library work nao. 825492;1410407222;asciilifeform;who cares what their display weighs? how often, it moves !? 825493;1410407268;BingoBoingo;Exactly. Mac OS 7 was the shit. 825494;1410407280;decimation;why not freedos? 825495;1410407297;BingoBoingo;It was the GUI that corresponded to what the machine offered. 825496;1410407301;asciilifeform;put it this way. either you're a grown man and can pick up 50kg like feather - or - you're a cripple, and someone hangs around who can pick up -you- (to put in bedpan) - and this person will carry your display. 825497;1410407304;BingoBoingo;!up chalbersma 825498;1410407335;decimation;asciilifeform: I carried that thing over many moves, finally decided lcds were good enough to replace it 825499;1410407346;decimation;then I became addicted to the extra square feet of space 825500;1410407360;asciilifeform;decimation: i decided, and then some time later came to believe that was wrong - and it was too late. 825501;1410407412;decimation;it's true, I miss the contrast ratio for one thing 825502;1410407425;asciilifeform;!up upme_boolcrap 825503;1410407425;decimation;no led/lcd has a true black 825504;1410407428;BingoBoingo;!up upme_boolcrap 825505;1410407447;BingoBoingo;decimation: Only Liberia still has true blacks 825506;1410407502;decimation;and New Zealand 825507;1410407528;BingoBoingo;No, those aren't black, those are Abbo 825508;1410407568;upme_boolcrap;oh thank u sir. 825509;1410407586;upme_boolcrap;stan did i tell u yet 825510;1410407588;upme_boolcrap;that watermelon 825511;1410407589;upme_boolcrap;was amazing 825512;1410407589;assbot;AMAZING COMPANY! 825513;1410407683;decimation;a good sweet watermelon is one of the pleasures of the end of summer 825514;1410407689;upme_boolcrap;it really is 825515;1410407701;upme_boolcrap;i hope to grow at least 60 next year 825516;1410407705;upme_boolcrap;one for every day of august and september 825517;1410407719;decimation;lol do you have acres of space? 825518;1410407728;upme_boolcrap;for 60 watermelons? 825519;1410407729;upme_boolcrap;easy 825520;1410407732;upme_boolcrap;just 3 acres 825521;1410407748;upme_boolcrap;potatoes are also a big crop 825522;1410407750;upme_boolcrap;of mine 825523;1410407789;decimation;you live within commuting range of ascii? You must be rich 825524;1410407808;upme_boolcrap;rofl 825525;1410407809;upme_boolcrap;why would i be rich 825526;1410407825;decimation;real estate inflation 825527;1410407835;BingoBoingo;Becaue you live in prime cotton country 825528;1410407841;upme_boolcrap;haha 825529;1410407843;upme_boolcrap;i live in the hills 825530;1410407846;upme_boolcrap;its not to far out there 825531;1410407849;upme_boolcrap;its kind of perfect 825532;1410407853;upme_boolcrap;im still in a development 825533;1410407855;upme_boolcrap;so if someone kills me 825534;1410407859;upme_boolcrap;someone else will know 825535;1410407864;upme_boolcrap;but i have alot of room between other houses 825536;1410407875;upme_boolcrap;so i can roam naked in my yard if i wish 825537;1410407904;decimation;I've heard of people commuting from west virginia to the dc area 825538;1410407908;decimation;sounds crazy to me 825539;1410407939;upme_boolcrap;we only go in once a week 825540;1410407949;upme_boolcrap;its 1.15 hours to work 825541;1410407949;decimation;ah well that would be okay then 825542;1410407955;upme_boolcrap;too far for me to drive each day 825543;1410407982;decimation;I was talking with a guy who worked near the Googleplex the other day - apparently he knows people that commute 3 hours each way 825544;1410408002;upme_boolcrap;woow 825545;1410408005;upme_boolcrap;yeah houses in the city 825546;1410408007;upme_boolcrap;are too expensive 825547;1410408112;decimation;!s bezzle wolf 825548;1410408113;assbot;1 results for 'bezzle wolf' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=bezzle+wolf 825549;1410408120;chalbersma;So what's next on this P2Pool server? 825550;1410408128;decimation;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=25-12-2013#431244 825551;1410408129;assbot;Logged on 25-12-2013 21:26:27; asciilifeform: at some point 'the bezzle' becomes real, the cartoon wolf looks down and finally obeys gravity, goes splat off the cliff. 825552;1410408220;asciilifeform;decimation, BingoBoingo, others - http://imgur.com/mA3Jknc << possibly only good thing about lcd, you can do this. 825553;1410408220;assbot;imgur: the simple image sharer 825554;1410408313;upme_boolcrap;!nakedchicks 825555;1410408361;decimation;asciilifeform: yeah I wish one could buy a poster-sized display 825556;1410408397;Duffer1;!bait 825557;1410408399;decimation;I see you keep a few 4:3 displays too 825558;1410408408;asciilifeform;decimation: they stack well. 825559;1410408413;Duffer1;what no bait? 825560;1410408415;BingoBoingo;do /msg ozbot .d 825561;1410408441;decimation;lol you dedicate one screen to emacs :) 825562;1410408458;asciilifeform;no emacs in this picture. 825563;1410408480;decimation;what's the quartile in the upper right? just terminals? 825564;1410408485;asciilifeform;'ratpoison' 825565;1410408489;asciilifeform;!s ratpoison 825566;1410408490;assbot;12 results for 'ratpoison' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=ratpoison 825567;1410408499;decimation;ah 825568;1410408504;asciilifeform;favourite wm 825569;1410408510;asciilifeform;(not only mine, many folks) 825570;1410408511;decimation;are all of those displays driven from one machine? 825571;1410408515;asciilifeform;aye 825572;1410408523;asciilifeform;nothing terribly peculiar 825573;1410408535;decimation;I bet it was a pain in the ass to setup xconf 825574;1410408558;asciilifeform;set up once, then live. like building house. 825575;1410408582;decimation;except if you use gentoo, occasion decisions by crazies wipe out your house, then rebuild... 825576;1410408612;asciilifeform;or forget about the crazies and run alone. 825577;1410408746;decimation;so you 'emerge' once and then do everything else by hand? 825578;1410408754;asciilifeform;mostly. 825579;1410408775;BingoBoingo;!up devthedev 825580;1410408779;decimation;sounds legit. I second diametric in that discussion the other day, I like arch as a former gentoo user 825581;1410408787;*;asciilifeform not particularly enamoured of gentoo, but there is no real alternative. 825582;1410408795;chalbersma;It's been a fun gents. I'm going to call it a night. You guys have a good one. 825583;1410408809;BingoBoingo;devthedev: You ever ru a p2pool? 825584;1410408812;decimation;agreed, there is an unfilled space for an 'adult' source distro 825585;1410408880;BingoBoingo;Well ideas of adult and distro tend to run contrary to each other 825586;1410408943;decimation;ideally the distro should come from ascii's software-priests 825587;1410408944;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12800 @ 0.00076747 = 9.8236 BTC [+] {2} 825588;1410409033;BingoBoingo;Or you know... magazines and glue sticks 825589;1410409256;asciilifeform;!up upme_boolcrap 825590;1410409268;BingoBoingo;Oh, a Brian Goss, maybe the one from this space? >> http://www.tubeplus.me/player/2149175/Hotel_Hell/season_2/episode_8/Murphys_Hotel/?huid=hxpyursy1xh9 825591;1410409269;assbot;HOTEL HELL S02E08 - Murphys Hotel - Watch Online For Free on TubePlus 825592;1410409590;BingoBoingo;Minute 25 is best minute 825593;1410409683;decimation;http://www.swpc.noaa.gov/ << there was a strong solare flare from an earth-facing sunspot at 1745 utc, could produce a nasty geomagnetic storm in a few days 825594;1410409684;assbot;NOAA / NWS Space Weather Prediction Center 825595;1410409743;upme_boolcrap;nice 825596;1410409770;upme_boolcrap;i want a solar flare that will destroy every electric instrument on earth 825597;1410409797;asciilifeform;upme_boolcrap: tough one. 825598;1410409801;asciilifeform;;;google faraday cage 825599;1410409802;gribble;Faraday cage - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: ; HowStuffWorks "How Faraday Cages Work": ; Build Your Own Faraday Cage. Here's How. - The Survivalist Blog: 825600;1410409842;decimation;it's not the initial flare, it's the geomagnetic storm, which is mainly a threat to equipment attached to long conductors 825601;1410409859;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25360 @ 0.00076189 = 19.3215 BTC [-] 825602;1410409886;decimation;EMP from ionospheric H-bomb is a bigger threat to small electronics, but can be defended as ascii points out 825603;1410409989;assbot;Last 1 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/36XB71V.txt ) 825604;1410409989;BingoBoingo;!b 1 825605;1410410056;BingoBoingo;Who needs TEMPEST wen you window leaks screen contents 825606;1410410175;asciilifeform;http://chemistry.stackexchange.com/users/4296/uncle-al << apparently al schwartz is on 'stack exchange'... 825607;1410410176;assbot;User Uncle Al - Chemistry Stack Exchange 825608;1410410358;ben_vulpes;asciilifeform: re schedule: what aspect of your professional work demands irregular hours? 825609;1410410384;ben_vulpes; ben_vulpes: The video wiggles only because the world does << yeah, but have you seen the de-wiggler in action? 825610;1410410386;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: multiple jobs, none of which have fixed hours as such 825611;1410410407;ben_vulpes;ah, i was only privy to the botnet inspector gig and NSA. 825612;1410410441;ben_vulpes;asciilifeform: "easy", but do you? 825613;1410410446;dub;what the fuck is this net slowdown shit 825614;1410410463;asciilifeform;which 'easy' 825615;1410410494;ben_vulpes; ben_vulpes: exercise and regularity of schedule << exercise, easy; regularity of schedule is a dream to me, on account of my profession. 825616;1410410500;decimation;lol http://washingtonexaminer.com/lights-out-house-plan-would-protect-nations-electricity-from-solar-flare-nuclear-bomb/article/2532038 << " Officials said that the legislation, provided in advance to Secrets, will include information from a recent EMP commission report that "contemporary U.S. society is not structured, nor does it have the means, to provide for the needs of nearly 300 million Americans without electricity.'': 825617;1410410501;assbot;Lights out: House plan would protect nation's electricity from solar flare, nuclear bomb | WashingtonExaminer.com 825618;1410410515;dub;my work week looks like ass for the rest of the year 825619;1410410549;asciilifeform;aha 825620;1410410567;dub;22:00-03:00 4 nights a week 825621;1410410578;*;asciilifeform is not entirely innocent of exercise, is fond of walking around endlessly. 825622;1410410580;BingoBoingo;ben_vulpes: Week I graduated college the world wiggled every other day. Maybe my life stalled out because it stopped??? 825623;1410410588;decimation;I suspect that the fantasy-plans for "contingency usg" would be a hilarious read 825624;1410410610;BingoBoingo;* asciilifeform is not entirely innocent of exercise, is fond of walking around endlessly. << Walking is my escape plan 825625;1410410615;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: see robert sheckley's short story 'petrified world.' 825626;1410410641;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: http://www.american-buddha.com/sheckleycanyoufeel.3.htm 825627;1410410642;assbot;Can You Feel Anything When I Do This?, by Robert Sheckley 825628;1410410658;decimation;asciilifeform: also recommended by taleb. seems reasonable to do what humans have been doing for millennia 825629;1410410690;ben_vulpes;BingoBoingo, asciilifeform: walking does not take one to the edge of the performance envelope. 825630;1410410694;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: Today an old colleague commented that i lost weight. Did not know the proper response to that. 825631;1410410705;BingoBoingo;ben_vulpes: It can 825632;1410410713;ben_vulpes;BingoBoingo: "isn't it great?" 825633;1410410736;ben_vulpes;"can" is not "does" 825634;1410410748;BingoBoingo;ben_vulpes: Edge is not always VO2MAX!!! 825635;1410410766;ben_vulpes;scusi? 825636;1410410854;BingoBoingo;ben_vulpes: Consecutive days walking is a metric too, right? 825637;1410410901;ben_vulpes; bell is used by other people to ruin your sleep. in exchange for food & housing. << f/h can be had without signing that contract. contract that includes "bells" should carry a markup adequate to compensate for the interruption of critical bio processes 825638;1410410913;BingoBoingo;loll Torstein 825639;1410410936;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: many things 'can be had' in principle - e.g., mircea_popescu's kit. 825640;1410410942;asciilifeform;reduction to practice - another matter. 825641;1410410980;ben_vulpes;contract negotiation is where everything starts. 825642;1410411014;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: don't misunderstand the original gripe. the bell is annoying precisely because it rings - rarely. 825643;1410411021;BingoBoingo;No, sometimes contract happens before negotiation. 825644;1410411036;asciilifeform;the difference between 'rarely' and 'never' is often more palpable than between 'daily' and 'rarely.' 825645;1410411044;ben_vulpes;ah 825646;1410411047;ben_vulpes;i had misunderstood 825647;1410411089;*;asciilifeform merely dreams of living his built-in 26-hour circadian rhythm. 825648;1410411092;asciilifeform;!up upme_boolcrap 825649;1410411123;BingoBoingo;* asciilifeform merely dreams of living his built-in 26-hour circadian rhythm. << If I normalize I live on roughly 29 hour dyas 825650;1410411168;asciilifeform;29 -> not so bad. resynches with non-mutants weekly or so. 825651;1410411174;BingoBoingo;Indeed 825652;1410411204;ben_vulpes;this natural schedule bs is bs 825653;1410411206;BingoBoingo;Winter though I have week long days. Summer I have day long weeks 825654;1410411217;ben_vulpes;sun comes up, mammals wake 825655;1410411222;ben_vulpes;sun goes down, mammals nap 825656;1410411228;BingoBoingo;ben_vulpes: Oh, my schedule is anything but natural 825657;1410411230;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: nope. 825658;1410411245;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: ever meet a cat? 825659;1410411247;ben_vulpes;noctunrnes exluded 825660;1410411257;BingoBoingo;;;google Five days with Freddie 825661;1410411257;gribble;Five Nights at Freddy's Windows game | Desura: ; Five Nights at Freddy's on Steam: ; Five Days At Freddy's| SCARIEST GAME EVER!| Night 1 - YouTube: 825662;1410411306;BingoBoingo;I dunno that any advanced primate has a set schedule 825663;1410411336;asciilifeform;some folks have approximately 24h clock, think we're malingerers. what can i say. 825664;1410411375;ben_vulpes;hey i'm shoehorning my own cycle into the american business routine too asciilifeform 825665;1410411386;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: Half the year I can make them feel lazy. Unfortunatley for me the half they aren't looking 825666;1410411418;ben_vulpes;although i never had the oportunity to discover what a "true" or "honest" cycle might look like, i just beat it until it submitted to what i wanted from my life 825667;1410411420;BingoBoingo;Back in JUly this year I had a week with 90 minutes of sleep 825668;1410411485;BingoBoingo;http://www.hulu.com/watch/615841#i0,p0,d0 825669;1410411485;assbot;Watch The Blacklist Online - Milton Bobbit | Hulu 825670;1410411628;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17541 @ 0.00076586 = 13.434 BTC [+] {3} 825671;1410411682;ben_vulpes;;;ud jewgolf 825672;1410411683;gribble;http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Westchester | mostly suburban county bordering the bronx to the south and fairfield county, ct to the north. largely perceived as a haven for wealthy investment bankers, ... 825673;1410411700;ben_vulpes; What, like JewGolf? << dear sir please assplain yourself 825674;1410411732;BingoBoingo;ben_vulpes: What, you think the dark run the game of baskets? 825675;1410411742;BingoBoingo;Stern, Silver??? 825676;1410411756;BingoBoingo;Jews run basketball. 825677;1410411832;BingoBoingo;Also the chance Wisconsin does not win out the rest of its schedule is so remote that people who want to bet on it need to bitc to the Big 1G 825678;1410412137;ben_vulpes;teh jooz run everything 825679;1410412144;ben_vulpes;cept bitcoin 825680;1410412198;ben_vulpes;;;gettrust Azelphur 825681;1410412199;gribble;Currently authenticated from hostmask Azelphur!~Azelphur@azelphur.com. Trust relationship from user ben_vulpes to user Azelphur: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 6 via 3 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=ben_vulpes&dest=Azelphur | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=Azelphur | Rated since: Mon Apr 9 00:11:58 2012 825682;1410412342;BingoBoingo;!up devthedev 825683;1410412614;Knot_Yeti;rar 825684;1410412628;decimation;hax! 825685;1410412645;Knot_Yeti;someone's paying attention... 825686;1410412686;Knot_Yeti; Anyone care to share your thoughts on this article? I know many of you aren't America, but perhaps you can relate afterall. http://boldanddetermined.com/2011/11/10/the-continued-pussification-of-the-american-male/ << holy KRS-1 825687;1410412687;assbot;The Continued Pussification of the American Male 825688;1410412837;Knot_Yeti; Fuck KC, I was hoping you'd have an StL solution. Or maybe CoMo << flat, no earthquakes, reliable oil for the gennies, it's in every american seven-niner's uptime plan 825689;1410412859;Knot_Yeti;lordy im having trouble putting this beer and grinder down 825690;1410412875;BingoBoingo;Knot_Yeti: Also moar Niggers in the county PD 825691;1410412885;Knot_Yeti;dun matter for the dc 825692;1410412888;BingoBoingo;Ferguson could never liberate in KC 825693;1410412916;Knot_Yeti;!up upme_boolcrap 825694;1410412924;BingoBoingo;You have to remember I find Ladue Nigger central. 825695;1410412933;BingoBoingo;RUF is for the people 825696;1410412943;Knot_Yeti;you're making less sense than vexual 825697;1410412995;BingoBoingo;Knot_Yeti: No, I'm just saying STLCPD is a bunch of Niggers and the blacks in Ferguson deserve the right to lynch them\ 825698;1410413066;Knot_Yeti;i certainly wouldn't know 825699;1410413085;BingoBoingo;Knot_Yeti: Well of course you can't in Vanilla city 825700;1410413103;Knot_Yeti;but i'm not about to stand up for the assholes running bikers over while tapping on their wheelbox-mounted tablest 825701;1410413116;Knot_Yeti;Homogeneity City 825702;1410413125;mircea_popescu;Knot_Yeti who're you ? 825703;1410413141;Knot_Yeti;;;ident 825704;1410413141;gribble;CAUTION: irc nick differs from otc registered nick. Nick 'Knot_Yeti', with hostmask 'Knot_Yeti!~user@unaffiliated/benkay', is identified as user 'ben_vulpes', with GPG key id 2AFA1A9FD2D031DA, key fingerprint 4F7907942CA8B89B01E25A762AFA1A9FD2D031DA, and bitcoin address None 825705;1410413150;mircea_popescu;lolk 825706;1410413190;BingoBoingo;I miss Bob Ross 825707;1410413238;mircea_popescu;i think im too young to know bob ross 825708;1410413242;Knot_Yeti;so who is this recruiter character? 825709;1410413256;Knot_Yeti;pahaha mircea_popescu old the notion 825710;1410413261;BingoBoingo;I saw bob ross and you've got a decade on me MP 825711;1410413263;Knot_Yeti;*young the notion 825712;1410413314;mircea_popescu;Knot_Yeti he's some guy working really hard at being halpful. im curious if it ends in tears, despair or great success. 825713;1410413336;assbot;Last 1 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/38F6DB0.txt ) 825714;1410413336;BingoBoingo;!b 1 825715;1410413363;mircea_popescu;o shoit, bob ross is the guy that "would you like a fresh towel" dude was trying to immitate. 825716;1410413372;BingoBoingo;Yeah 825717;1410413393;mircea_popescu;http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VTpttu6sqjw 825718;1410413393;assbot;Road Trip - ALL Rubin scenes - part 2 - YouTube 825719;1410413398;Knot_Yeti; trustable btc hosting is probably in more demand atm << lotsa this 825720;1410413427;Knot_Yeti;but uninterruptible power, people on call 24/7, audited security procedures, remote hands... 825721;1410413470;asciilifeform;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YRhmNROtH44 << interesting to students of chemistry as well as noob machinists who would, had they not seen it, mounted Al shaft in PTFE bearing... 825722;1410413471;assbot;Teflon with aluminum reaction (flash explosion) - YouTube 825723;1410413495;mircea_popescu;!up frankenmint 825724;1410413501;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform what's the worst that can happen 825725;1410413506;frankenmint;thanks 825726;1410413512;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: the reaction pictured. 825727;1410413521;mircea_popescu;it's just a flesh wound 825728;1410413525;asciilifeform;lol 825729;1410413528;Knot_Yeti;flash wound 825730;1410413538;asciilifeform;flesh is cheap, fine machinery - costly. 825731;1410413549;asciilifeform;(there is always - more flesh.) 825732;1410413606;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: Today I had to explain my secret sauce for preserving great editions 825733;1410413653;mircea_popescu;decimation: 'peripheral' laser scanner << you mean the handheld shits ? 825734;1410413662;mircea_popescu;frankenmint sure. how goes ? 825735;1410413677;frankenmint;chillin whatchin chocolat 825736;1410413714;frankenmint;https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=124441.0 825737;1410413714;assbot;So you think you're going to start a Bitcoin business, right? 825738;1410413723;decimation;mircea_popescu: yeah the little 'pen' devices 825739;1410413723;frankenmint;found that felt like a loser for not doing a otc trade yet 825740;1410413736;mircea_popescu;decimation: it's true, I miss the contrast ratio for one thing << what i miss most about crts, believe it or not, is the shade. 825741;1410413751;mircea_popescu;a crt you can adjust to be as unluminous as you'd like. a lcd, no. has a minimum. 825742;1410413753;decimation;asciilifeform: would not want to breathe that smoke... 825743;1410413762;asciilifeform;shade >> yes! 825744;1410413764;mircea_popescu;frankenmint :p 825745;1410413781;decimation;mircea_popescu: yeah a well-known defect of lcds. supposedly the new led-based displays will overcome this 825746;1410413797;mircea_popescu;i still have perfect vision, after decades with computors. i credit : a) low monitors and b) large fonts. 825747;1410413817;asciilifeform;decimation: OLED aging makes crt phosphours look indestructible. 825748;1410413828;mircea_popescu;well they hope they're fixing that 825749;1410413840;asciilifeform;lol why would 'they'. 825750;1410413841;mircea_popescu;prolly with some more rare earths nobody ever heard of and thatdon't really exist 825751;1410413875;asciilifeform;homo chumpiens isn't meant to keep his iPnohe for longer than a year, or the like. 825752;1410413891;mircea_popescu;lol homo chumpiens 825753;1410413894;mircea_popescu;that has staying powers. 825754;1410413913;mircea_popescu;lmao look at this, https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=124441.msg8133410#msg8133410 825755;1410413913;assbot;So you think you're going to start a Bitcoin business, right? 825756;1410413917;asciilifeform;pronounce as 'champions' for extra bite. 825757;1410413918;mircea_popescu;keep upo the good work, he says. 825758;1410413945;mircea_popescu;decimation: a good sweet watermelon is one of the pleasures of the end of summer << better if it comes with a pair of black girls. 825759;1410413962;mircea_popescu;or was it the girl with a pair of melons 825760;1410413968;mircea_popescu;hum. getting old, bad memory. 825761;1410413978;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: that fellow grew a 15kg watermelon. 825762;1410413979;decimation;I miss the little wire shadows on my old trinitron 825763;1410413989;asciilifeform;i was there, we weighed it... 825764;1410413994;decimation;asciilifeform: that's amazing 825765;1410413994;assbot;AMAZING COMPANY! 825766;1410414004;mircea_popescu;alaska ? 825767;1410414013;asciilifeform;nah, here 825768;1410414103;BingoBoingo; mircea_popescu: that fellow grew a 15kg watermelon. << Grandpa wasted soil this year on 215 lb-is pumpkin 825769;1410414110;asciilifeform;neato 825770;1410414120;mircea_popescu;chalbersma: So what's next on this P2Pool server? << oblivion, quite likely. 825771;1410414127;decimation;specs on trinitron vs. lcd & plasma & dlp http://www.displaymate.com/ShootOut_Part_1.htm 825772;1410414129;assbot;Display Technology Shoot-Out Part I 825773;1410414137;BingoBoingo;A great number of groundhogs died for it though. 825774;1410414180;decimation;lcds have gotten better, just about 3 times worse than a trinitron crt (in its prime) in contrast 825775;1410414197;RagnarDanneskjol;mircea_popescu - he went to bed - was asking me how to proceed, but I was unavail. I'll invite him again tomorrow 825776;1410414225;decimation;I suspect that trinitrons are still in use for medical applications where resolution and contrast are critical 825777;1410414229;Knot_Yeti;decimation: pixel density tho 825778;1410414237;asciilifeform;decimation: probably all faded now. 825779;1410414242;mircea_popescu;RagnarDanneskjol honestly, may be overkill for this task. it's more of a small potatoes sort of thing to allow some eager kid to get his feet wet and get some ratings 825780;1410414252;asciilifeform;decimation: 'eizo' and 'barco' make almost usable lcds, for those applications 825781;1410414253;mircea_popescu;than for someone to try and senior developer all over it 825782;1410414258;RagnarDanneskjol;thats exactly what he is 825783;1410414270;RagnarDanneskjol;he's not senior - sent you his resume 825784;1410414272;*;asciilifeform owns a few 'eizo' 825785;1410414290;decimation;ben_vulpes: yeah you are right the resolution on modern lcds is 'better' 825786;1410414312;asciilifeform;the last trinitron knockoff, afaik, rolled off the conveyor in early '09. 825787;1410414327;mircea_popescu;RagnarDanneskjol i guess that may explain the vague approach. alrighty, we talk more tomorro or w/e, see what he wants to do. 825788;1410414336;RagnarDanneskjol;k 825789;1410414346;asciilifeform;(somewhere in china, ntsc/pal picture tubes are still made. you don't want these.) 825790;1410414357;decimation;heh probably no shielding 825791;1410414364;asciilifeform;600 lines. 825792;1410414389;frankenmint;ok irl calls laterz 825793;1410414414;decimation;I suppose for the paupers who just need a screen cheap crt is cheaper than lcd 825794;1410414425;asciilifeform;was. 825795;1410414428;mircea_popescu;no it's not ? 825796;1410414446;mircea_popescu;an extra sq ft of floor space = cost. 825797;1410414449;*;asciilifeform can't find a usable crt for $maxint 825798;1410414469;mircea_popescu;dub: what the fuck is this net slowdown shit << you broke it, you buy it. 825799;1410414475;asciilifeform;(21+ in., trinitron, virginal) 825800;1410414492;mircea_popescu;how the fuck are you going to find virginal trinitrons, haven't been made for two decades 825801;1410414511;decimation;one that was 'new in box' forgotten in some attic? 825802;1410414515;asciilifeform;don't be so quick to say 'never.' i went recently to a junk peddler, he has a sealed in box 'vic-20.' 825803;1410414556;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11700 @ 0.00076902 = 8.9975 BTC [+] 825804;1410414559;asciilifeform;same as the proverbial century-old wine bottles. 825805;1410414568;asciilifeform;'how can it exist, someone'd have drunk it up' 825806;1410414574;dub;mircea_popescu: I saw an ad on bitcoinity and wtfd 825807;1410414592;dub;appears to be some goog propaganda 825808;1410414592;mircea_popescu;you don't understand asciilifeform. europe sits on a lake of wine the size of michigan 825809;1410414650;BingoBoingo;And nao you're going to tell me Agent Broachwala loves the Jewish state in the Levant.... 825810;1410414658;KODE_YETI; auxiliary wives << redundancy 825811;1410414688;BingoBoingo;Today canned commenters called Ferguson protesters terrorists 825812;1410414703;KODE_YETI;asciilifeform: obtain and install << lolya and maintain 825813;1410414703;decimation;lol http://www.eizo.com/global/products/radiforce/gx540/index.html#tab02 << monitors need to be approved by FDA? 825814;1410414706;assbot;RadiForce GX540 | EIZO 825815;1410414722;asciilifeform;lol i have that one! 825816;1410414728;mircea_popescu;nom nom nom 825817;1410414734;decimation;contrast ratio only 1.2k 825818;1410414735;asciilifeform;the gov. approval thing is for use in surgeries 825819;1410414742;decimation;10x worse than trinitron 825820;1410414762;BingoBoingo;;;google hanley blockade terrorists 825821;1410414762;gribble;Military counter-intelligence unit monitored Elsipogtog anti-fracking ...: ; Ferguson Highway Blockade Roundup (5:33PM CDT): ; (1 more message) 825822;1410414768;asciilifeform;that's a bit unfair. trinitron ~= theoretically infinite contrast ratio (save the odd stray electron) 825823;1410414807;decimation;well, I don't deny that resolution is important too 825824;1410414819;asciilifeform;(actually never mind, i have an earlier 'radiforce' in other room, 1600x1200) 825825;1410414820;decimation;but it seems that our 'upgraded' lcd displays lack what we had in the past 825826;1410414832;KODE_YETI;all i know is pressed shitboard 825827;1410414844;asciilifeform;the 14-bit monochrome 'eizos' are quite unlike ordinary lcd 825828;1410414851;asciilifeform;you can use them in a sunlit room, for instance. 825829;1410414863;KODE_YETI;hey who is upme_boolcrap ? 825830;1410414867;KODE_YETI;;;gettrust upme_boolcrap 825831;1410414868;gribble;WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user ben_vulpes to user upme_boolcrap: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=ben_vulpes&dest=upme_boolcrap | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=upme_boolcrap | Rated since: never 825832;1410414893;asciilifeform;KODE_YETI: he's b00lcrap 825833;1410414900;asciilifeform;a fellow i know in meatspace. 825834;1410414905;KODE_YETI;ah yeah 825835;1410414908;KODE_YETI;hence keys comments 825836;1410414909;BingoBoingo;WHY HAS NO ONE ELSE TOLD STORIED ABOUT FBI??? 825837;1410414920;KODE_YETI;you're the only one so cursed 825838;1410414958;asciilifeform;(or drunken impostor. don't lose keys, people will wonder.) 825839;1410414970;BingoBoingo;KODE_YETI: I have a masters degree in Library Science. This is not cursed. This is totally fucked by American Standards. 825840;1410414981;KODE_YETI;oh shit ozbot is totally still online 825841;1410414991;BingoBoingo;ozbot is. 825842;1410415004;KODE_YETI;DUDE 825843;1410415058;asciilifeform;fbi stories >> http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=22-08-2014#804607 825844;1410415059;assbot;Logged on 22-08-2014 02:36:18; asciilifeform: 'The smell of diborane is known to a few experimenters, but they cannot tell us what it is.' 825845;1410415065;BingoBoingo; (or drunken impostor. don't lose keys, people will wonder.) << This 825846;1410415077;KODE_YETI; lol you dedicate one screen to emacs :) << i dedicate my largest screen to emacs 825847;1410415114;KODE_YETI; so you 'emerge' once and then do everything else by hand? << asciilifeform u fukn metal 825848;1410415126;decimation;KODE_YETI: yeah my pinky is starting to ache 825849;1410415148;KODE_YETI;decimation: capslock remap on os x 825850;1410415163;BingoBoingo;KODE_YETI: OSX is blaspemy 825851;1410415176;KODE_YETI;the "command" key on this altop has a hole in its black coating due to meta use 825852;1410415183;BingoBoingo;OSX is as much blasphemy as the devil 825853;1410415198;KODE_YETI;BingoBoingo: i just run emacs on whatever, man 825854;1410415201;BingoBoingo;And by devil I mean systemd 825855;1410415207;KODE_YETI;"os" be damned, emacs is my os 825856;1410415219;decimation;KODE_YETI: yeah but my pinky wants to hit shift instead of caps-lock, need to deactivate ctrl key 825857;1410415223;BingoBoingo;Well, work on emacs chip 825858;1410415231;KODE_YETI;greenarrays 825859;1410415241;KODE_YETI;forth -> lisp -> life 825860;1410415247;BingoBoingo;Work hard. 825861;1410415252;BingoBoingo;In my field. 825862;1410415263;BingoBoingo;Bring the cotton out to be sole. 825863;1410415269;KODE_YETI;i only work when there are $CURRENCY_UNITS on the table 825864;1410415286;BingoBoingo;KODE_YETI: Then explain VAN 825865;1410415291;KODE_YETI;lessons learned. 825866;1410415304;BingoBoingo;KODE_YETI: Can be leanrt maor 825867;1410415319;KODE_YETI;learn maori 825868;1410415357;BingoBoingo;KODE_YETI: Sorry I'm working on being trans ethic for useful ethicities 825869;1410415367;decimation;maori will help you negotiate with the british 825870;1410415378;KODE_YETI;and i'm working on stumbling home. nite all! 825871;1410415390;asciilifeform;'North, north-by-east, nor'-nor'-east, nor'-east-by-north, north-east, colony—Attention! / Come to tea, all the men, round the niu—Attention!' 825872;1410415415;asciilifeform;(maori, obligatory, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pai_M%C4%81rire#The_chants ) 825873;1410415416;assbot;Pai Mrire - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia 825874;1410415561;BingoBoingo;;;Knicker 825875;1410415561;gribble;Error: "Knicker" is not a valid command. 825876;1410415565;decimation;asciilifeform: lol 825877;1410415626;BingoBoingo; maori will help you negotiate with the british << Didn't you hear??? Moiety Starved. Scottish is NOT profitab le.. 825878;1410415668;BingoBoingo;And I just passed 4 liters of fart gas right nao. 825879;1410415780;BingoBoingo;;;rate RagnarDanneskjol -3 confusion, correctable. In the interim What the Fuck's Sake 825880;1410415781;gribble;Rating entry successful. Your rating for user RagnarDanneskjol has changed from 2 to -3. 825881;1410415804;mircea_popescu;later gang. 825882;1410415806;RagnarDanneskjol;?? 825883;1410415847;RagnarDanneskjol;care to elaborate 825884;1410415918;BingoBoingo;RagnarDanneskjol: Just confusion between parties you've sold pool too and people you've offered to sell pool 825885;1410415932;BingoBoingo;Margin for clearing this is very low 825886;1410415933;RagnarDanneskjol;I am not selling anyhting 825887;1410415942;RagnarDanneskjol;I just identify talent 825888;1410415953;RagnarDanneskjol;perhaps you misunderstand mu role 825889;1410415955;BingoBoingo;No, You don't sell things. You sell people. 825890;1410415961;RagnarDanneskjol;I am doing all this pro bono btw 825891;1410415973;BingoBoingo;I think I understand, but I may misunderstand 825892;1410415992;RagnarDanneskjol;yes, I'm sure you do 825893;1410416037;BingoBoingo;That is incredibly likely. The world is fucked. California is falling off of the world. 825894;1410416055;RagnarDanneskjol;please explain how I created confusion 825895;1410416099;RagnarDanneskjol;if you'll read the emails I copied you on I have been quite clear - and ask if any clarification is required...crickets 825896;1410416581;BingoBoingo;RagnarDanneskjol: I dunno that you aren't trustworthy, I apparently was lead though (prolly by bad actors) to believe though that you are much older than you are. 825897;1410416637;RagnarDanneskjol;I am 33. Have been a recruiter since I was 18. what the hell does that have to do with it 825898;1410416671;dub;A similar belief in the mystical power to avert bullets had earlier been reported among Islamic groups in Africa and Asia[7] and America, such as the Ghost Shirt Movement. 825899;1410416763;RagnarDanneskjol;BingoBoingo - You know for a fact I made efforts to gain better clarity between parties from our pm earlier. All the recruitment I have done for b-a has been out of the kindness of my heart (which is a lot btw in terms of time spent - well over 60 hrs) 825900;1410416777;dub;where these perchance, other primitave cultures faced with certain defeat in the face of a technilogically advanced imperial invasion 825901;1410416781;BingoBoingo;RagnarDanneskjol: Much of the present irrelevant doubt, as opposed to relevant doubt connects to harvest of this irrelevant shit\ 825902;1410416817;RagnarDanneskjol;are you drinking? 825903;1410416836;BingoBoingo;Yes, are you not? 825904;1410416842;dub;what do we do sahib? idk boss pray shiney sky rocks don't kil us 825905;1410416855;assbot;Last 1 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/1Y3RRJX.txt ) 825906;1410416855;BingoBoingo;!b 1 825907;1410416904;RagnarDanneskjol;;;rate BingoBoingo -1 erroneous negrating under the influence 825908;1410416905;gribble;Rating entry successful. Your rating of -1 for user BingoBoingo has been recorded. 825909;1410416949;dub;RUI? 825910;1410417087;fluffypony;hah hah 825911;1410417093;fluffypony;took me a few minutes to get that 825912;1410417606;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24550 @ 0.00076417 = 18.7604 BTC [-] {2} 825913;1410420168;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17800 @ 0.0007665 = 13.6437 BTC [+] {2} 825914;1410421753;KODE_YETI;ratings cannot be erroneous 825915;1410421783;KODE_YETI;and RagnarDanneskjol can't in2 dat variety 825916;1410422078;RagnarDanneskjol;erroneous in that the reasons cited have no basis in reality. but good point 825917;1410425217;Apocalyptic;such rating drama 825918;1410425891;fluffypony;;:rate Apocalyptic -2832837297193912 just because drama 825919;1410425906;Apocalyptic;dat fluffypony 825920;1410425910;fluffypony;:-P 825921;1410426027;Apocalyptic;how's monero these days ? 825922;1410426216;fluffypony;good 825923;1410426220;fluffypony;got it working on FreeBSD 825924;1410426225;fluffypony;all compiles except gtest that explodes 825925;1410426282;punkman;I made a bitcent trading XMR, I r tradar nao! 825926;1410426306;fluffypony;such trade 825927;1410426535;punkman;fluffypony: there was some pool site that had XMR, but it linked to some bitmonero thing 825928;1410426549;punkman;what's with all these clones 825929;1410426549;fluffypony;pool site? 825930;1410426602;fluffypony;bitmonero == monero, the guy that launched it wanted merged mining and other bullshit, the community voted against it, he tried to put it in anyway, so we forked it away from him into Monero 825931;1410426614;fluffypony;also because Monero = coin in Esperanto, so Bitmonero literally means Bitcoin 825932;1410426618;fluffypony;which is kinda stupid 825933;1410426624;punkman;oic 825934;1410426841;punkman;mining side looks like botnet heaven 825935;1410427549;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 38300 @ 0.0007668 = 29.3684 BTC [+] {2} 825936;1410427578;fluffypony;punkman: indeed - although the GPU miners are starting to ramp up a bit 825937;1410427619;punkman;is it even 50% faster with GPU? 825938;1410427651;fluffypony;faster yes, but performance-per-watt is really how you want to measure it 825939;1410427678;punkman;right, aren't the CPUs better in that regard? 825940;1410427679;fluffypony;and in that respect CryptoNight achieves its stated goal of reducing the performance gap between CPUs, GPUs, and ASICs 825941;1410427697;fluffypony;for the moment yes 825942;1410427713;fluffypony;we're not at the upper bound of GPU performance, although we're reasonably close 825943;1410427726;xmj;fluffypony: how are you getting along with the FreeBSD port? :) 825944;1410427743;fluffypony;xmj: it's done, it compiles and works, the only thing I'm fighting with are some stupid oddities in the testing code 825945;1410427746;punkman;are you the guy that funded that kid with the miner optimizations? 825946;1410427753;xmj;fluffypony: nice! 825947;1410427766;fluffypony;xmj: http://i.imgur.com/3SvgH3a.png 825948;1410427772;xmj;fluffypony: did you put it in net-p2p/bitmonero? 825949;1410427772;fluffypony;punkman: no? 825950;1410427788;fluffypony;xmj: once I'm done fixing tests and I've committed the changes to master I will 825951;1410427818;xmj;neat 825952;1410427838;fluffypony;oh punkman - are you talking about dga? 825953;1410427839;xmj;fluffypony: here have a link: https://www.freebsd.org/doc/en/books/porters-handbook/book.html#makefile-master_sites-github-description 825954;1410427842;fluffypony;he's not a kid :) 825955;1410427848;fluffypony;http://www.cs.cmu.edu/~dga/cv.pdf 825956;1410427858;fluffypony;xmj: cool got it 825957;1410427859;*;xmj goes back to fiddling with Subversion 825958;1410427868;xmj;...and django, and uwsgi, and $crap 825959;1410427941;fluffypony;here we go: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=624223.msg7987642#msg7987642 825960;1410427941;assbot;rpietila Altcoin Observer 825961;1410427953;fluffypony;"Note that GPUs *do* outperform CPUs, of course -- it's just that it's only a factor of two or three. Which is pretty remarkable. And an ASIC will likely outperform a GPU, but I'm guessing it will be in the ~5x better range, not huge." 825962;1410427981;xmj;wait.. what? 825963;1410427992;fluffypony;xmj: Monero's PoW 825964;1410427994;xmj;ah 825965;1410428014;*;xmj goes back to fiddling with stuff... f'realz 825966;1410428056;punkman;fluffypony: oooh, he was all like "back to school" and I assumed <20 825967;1410428101;fluffypony;lol I know 825968;1410428116;fluffypony;oh well, even associate professors at CMU have to make money somehow :-P 825969;1410428887;punkman;fluffypony: was reading that blogpost again, got an idea. Someone should come up with quirky PoW, and manufacture a hardware miner before launching the coin. Then they slowly ramp up the hashrate, start selling the hardware when profits level off. 825970;1410428986;fluffypony;90% of the time when there's a quirky PoW it's inevitably a scam 825971;1410428991;fluffypony;not all the time 825972;1410428992;fluffypony;but often 825973;1410429684;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23200 @ 0.0007622 = 17.683 BTC [-] {2} 825974;1410430173;fluffypony;xmj: help plx 825975;1410430181;xmj;with? 825976;1410430191;fluffypony;ok so I'm trying to create the Makefile 825977;1410430201;fluffypony;and looking at Bitcoin's one it seems overly complex 825978;1410430231;fluffypony;I mean, the USE_GITHUB stuff means that I really only need 5 lines, and it builds out the box 825979;1410430237;xmj;do yourself a favor, use ports-mgmt/porttools 825980;1410430259;xmj;it has port(1), which can do `port create`, and `port test` 825981;1410430277;xmj;it used to have port submit, but that died with GNATS and send-pr(1) 825982;1410430295;xmj;also, i maintain it, so if you find any bugs i can fix them on the fly...:p 825983;1410430301;fluffypony;lol ok cool 825984;1410430309;fluffypony;so once it's created how will I submit it? 825985;1410430311;fluffypony;manually? 825986;1410430320;xmj;you create a shar like so: 825987;1410430327;xmj;cd /usr/ports/net-p2p 825988;1410430348;xmj;shar `find bitmonero` > bitmonero__$version.shar 825989;1410430393;xmj;then you file a bug with bugzilla -- https://bugs.freebsd.org/bugzilla/enter_bug.cgi?product=Ports%20Tree 825990;1410430395;assbot;Log in to Bugzilla 825991;1410430419;xmj;and give it some description like [NEW PORT] net-p2p/bitmonero: [include COMMENT= from Makefile here] 825992;1410430477;xmj;once you're done with that you can assign it to me and i'll take it from there 825993;1410430485;fluffypony;ok cool 825994;1410430595;xmj;yup 825995;1410430646;xmj;before you submit, try `make check-plist` to see if there's anything missing in pkg-plist, and `make package` to see if there's anything that is in pkg-plist that's not actually built into the package 825996;1410430662;xmj;that's, like, the crashcourse in FreeBSD port maintainership. :) 825997;1410430708;fluffypony;lol 825998;1410430710;fluffypony;got it 825999;1410431514;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15972 @ 0.00076522 = 12.2221 BTC [+] 826000;1410432368;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8828 @ 0.00076524 = 6.7555 BTC [+] {2} 826001;1410432751;danielpbarron;https://twitter.com/Beautyon_/status/509986011360030720 826002;1410432752;assbot;I would very much enjoy reading Mircea Popescu's reply to the letter in this post: http://t.co/MndDYtNb9w < you can imagine the SPANK! 826003;1410432937;xmj;fluffypony: how good will 30GHash/s butterfly labs ASICs work with bitmonero? 826004;1410432967;fluffypony;xmj: it won't at all, it's a different PoW 826005;1410432977;xmj;i see 826006;1410433000;xmj;friend of mine's got a spare, doesn't know what to do with it 826007;1410433240;xmj;hm 826008;1410433244;xmj;http://www.nzz.ch/mehr/digital/libertaere-visionaere-aus-crypto-valley-1.18380940 826009;1410433245;assbot;Zuger Internet-Unternehmer: Libertre Visionre aus Crypto Valley - Digital Nachrichten - NZZ.ch 826010;1410433260;xmj;that one points out johann gevers, south african digital crypto stuff entrepreneur 826011;1410433265;xmj;is he a name one should recognize? 826012;1410433550;fluffypony;never heard of him 826013;1410433602;fluffypony;http://monetas.net/team/ 826014;1410433603;assbot;Monetas – Team 826015;1410433613;fluffypony;if it's that guy then he's in Switzerland 826016;1410433618;fluffypony;maybe born in ZA 826017;1410433645;fluffypony;the only guys in ZA that have done anything notable are the BitX guys, but meh 826018;1410433653;xmj;but meh 826019;1410436515;[]bot;Bet placed: 3.00640086 BTC for Yes on "Under 15% difficulty increase before 2015" http://bitbet.us/bet/1032/ Odds: 97(Y):3(N) by coin, 97(Y):3(N) by weight. Total bet: 10.25130486 BTC. Current weight: 86,761. 826020;1410437309;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9800 @ 0.00076749 = 7.5214 BTC [+] 826021;1410437333;RagnarDanneskjol;http://dangerousprototypes.com/2014/09/11/video-jtagulator-introduction-and-demonstration/ 826022;1410437334;assbot;Video: JTAGulator introduction and demonstration | Dangerous Prototypes 826023;1410437909;punkman;http://techcrunch.com/2014/09/10/wtf-is-a-u2/ 826024;1410437909;assbot;Apple Just Uploaded A U2 Album To Your iPhone And iPad — And Seriously, WTF | TechCrunch 826025;1410437919;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9100 @ 0.00076749 = 6.9842 BTC [+] 826026;1410438353;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo didja just drunkrate RagnarDanneskjol or what was that 826027;1410438431;mircea_popescu;dub: where these perchance, other primitave cultures faced with certain defeat in the face of a technilogically advanced imperial invasion << quite. just like the forum retards, the general response of the primitive mind to "o boy, this guy's so much better than you, better learn how to suck cock" is "lalala i can't hear anything" 826028;1410438508;mircea_popescu;punkman: I made a bitcent trading XMR, I r tradar nao! << dare i ask what xmr is or would that spoil the whole trader thing. 826029;1410438556;mircea_popescu;;;ticker 826030;1410438558;gribble;Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 471.6, Best ask: 472.42, Bid-ask spread: 0.82000, Last trade: 472.45, 24 hour volume: 9612.17705410, 24 hour low: 470.1, 24 hour high: 491.0, 24 hour vwap: 481.983602007 826031;1410438664;punkman;mircea_popescu: that monero thing 826032;1410438669;mircea_popescu;oh i c 826033;1410438678;mircea_popescu;fluffypony: ASIC will likely outperform a GPU, but I'm guessing it will be in the ~5x better range, not huge. << if this is per watt, wouldn't it be quite huge ? 826034;1410438705;fluffypony;mircea_popescu: not for CryptoNight, no 826035;1410438724;fluffypony;CPUs perform well if they have AES-NI 826036;1410438731;fluffypony;which is most of the modern ones 826037;1410438763;dub;mircea_popescu: there's also the problem of motivating a guy holding a stick to charge at muskets 826038;1410438775;mircea_popescu;what i mean is, i'm a kid with a computer, i have to pay $200 for a new video card, and each watt gives me 1 thing. this other kid pays $500 for a consumer asic, each watt gives him... 5 things. the price of a thing will reflect this, going to ~1/4 the price of a watt, making me able to buy a lot more things for my $200 directly than i'd get mining ? 826039;1410438792;mircea_popescu;dub that's a solved problem, as you describe 826040;1410438801;mircea_popescu;which explains exactly the adaptive value of idiocy in large groups. 826041;1410438819;mircea_popescu;that's the problem with the human species : that because we're monkeys, which means we use young men as basically building material 826042;1410438824;mircea_popescu;idiocy is socially valuable. 826043;1410438845;mircea_popescu;as individually poisonous as it may be. 826044;1410438873;fluffypony;mircea_popescu: yes - but that's a capex cost, we're discussing the opex cost. At some point in the future when there actually are ASICs I suppose a ratio could be shown that includes the amortised cost of the hardware over time or something 826045;1410438894;punkman;aren't there plenty off-the-shelf hardware AES implementations? 826046;1410438900;mircea_popescu;fluffypony but my point here is as to market price, which really rarely reflects opex over capex 826047;1410438919;fluffypony;punkman: it's not the only thing it uses 826048;1410438958;mircea_popescu;i mean don't get me wrong, active experimental research in "o yeah, those asics are that cool ?" is quite valuable and a good use of one's time. 826049;1410438976;mircea_popescu;and i guess if 5x is the best so far then it's the best so far, and that's what it is 826050;1410438990;mircea_popescu;but i would have suspected 1.5x ish is more the range where it could be borne economically 826051;1410439116;fluffypony;punkman: https://www.dropbox.com/s/3yoovsi0gk9n88a/cryptonight_tmp.pdf 826052;1410439117;assbot;Dropbox - cryptonight_tmp.pdf 826053;1410439120;fluffypony;if you're really interested in the inner workings 826054;1410439130;mircea_popescu;(this based on history of human tech, the speed of difussion of tech inovations as a function of their added efficiency. for instance the iron plow was about 7-8x more efficient than the shit it replaced, and it took over practically in the same generation. meanwhile longbows were not 2x more effectual over cataphracts, and they took about a century to take over) 826055;1410439178;punkman;these cryptonote guys seem dedicated to crapcoins: https://cryptonote.org/coins/ 826056;1410439178;assbot;CryptoNote Currencies 826057;1410439239;punkman;heh step-by-step instructions for forking https://cryptonotestarter.org/inner.html 826058;1410439239;assbot;CryptoNote currency forking guide 826059;1410439315;jurov;xmj try altcoin? 826060;1410439334;mircea_popescu;"It is designed to have zero commercial value since its genesis block is replaced every 2 months." this is a pretty good way to do it, actually. 826061;1410439340;jurov;with the friend's miner i mean 826062;1410439431;mircea_popescu;"This coin's enthusiasts contribute to the applied aspects of the CryptoNote technology. It has been launched as a fork of Bytecoin in April 2014. Bitmonero/Monero was subject to a quarrel among the community members on the choice of name. Nevertheless, its contribution is valuable to CryptoNote’s popularization. Moreover, it has the fastest block generation speed of 1 minute." 826063;1410439438;mircea_popescu;lmao that's relevant i'm sure. 826064;1410439480;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo you feel like reading up on all this crap and produce a summary ? but i mean a good one, like a disertation level thing. 826065;1410439607;mircea_popescu;" but assuming you accept its technical tradeoffs (slow block verification leading to increased susceptibility to block-flooding DoS attacks, in favor of a balance between CPU, GPU, and ASICs)" << stuff like that sounds like a total ouch. 826066;1410439635;mircea_popescu;fluffypony is your 5x estimate arrived at through some process or just taken from dga ? 826067;1410439641;fluffypony;mircea_popescu: just taken from dga 826068;1410439702;fluffypony;the block flooding DoS attack doesn't work with Monero, at least not that we've been able to simulate 826069;1410439708;mircea_popescu;why is that ? 826070;1410439710;fluffypony;it's too aggressive in its consensus code 826071;1410439724;mircea_popescu;can you model this for me ? 826072;1410439725;fluffypony;it graylists peers that try submit a bad block 826073;1410439737;mircea_popescu;can i use this to graylist everyone ? 826074;1410439746;fluffypony;yes, but graylists expire 826075;1410439749;fluffypony;eventually 826076;1410439762;mircea_popescu;seems like moving the goalpost, it's still a dos 826077;1410439785;fluffypony;the point of the DoS is to burn CPU cycles and tie up the CPU of a peer 826078;1410439801;mircea_popescu;dos is dos, as long as you can't use a service because of a 3rd party it's a denial of service. 826079;1410439805;fluffypony;if you just want to DDoS them from a bandwidth perspective there are easier ways like LOIC 826080;1410439823;fluffypony;well that's what I'm saying - the block flooding DoS doesn't work 826081;1410439827;fluffypony;a LOIC attack woudl work 826082;1410439837;mircea_popescu;but it does work i nthe sense of, graylist dos. 826083;1410439839;fluffypony;or a SYN flood even 826084;1410439856;*;fluffypony shakes head 826085;1410439861;mircea_popescu;which way lol 826086;1410439864;mircea_popescu;i can't see you :D 826087;1410439865;fluffypony;you can't reconnect as a new IP fast enough 826088;1410439872;fluffypony;in other words 826089;1410439877;fluffypony;I have 12 peers connected to me 826090;1410439879;mircea_popescu;you can't ? (i dunno, i'm asking) 826091;1410439898;fluffypony;when I graylist you then you have to reconnect to me from a new peer and submit a bad block 826092;1410439901;fluffypony;rinse-repeat 826093;1410439906;mircea_popescu;this isn't what i meant earlier. 826094;1410439921;mircea_popescu;can i craft blocks and announce them so that the entire fucking network ends up graylisting each other 826095;1410439943;fluffypony;no 826096;1410439947;fluffypony;you'll get graylisted 826097;1410439954;fluffypony;nobody will rebroadcast it 826098;1410439958;fluffypony;so you get isolated 826099;1410439969;mircea_popescu;but in the interval where people stil don 826100;1410439973;mircea_popescu;t know yet if the block is any good ? 826101;1410440005;jurov;mircea_popescu: so you send bad block to everyone at once, yes? 826102;1410440007;fluffypony;in the 0.03 seconds it takes the peer to verify the block you won't even have completed the handshake to send another block 826103;1410440021;mircea_popescu;" technical tradeoffs (slow block verification leading to increased susceptibility to block-flooding DoS attacks" 826104;1410440028;jurov;everyone is DoSed for 0.03 seconds and you're graylisted 826105;1410440030;mircea_popescu;fluffypony so are you basically saying he's just talking nonsense ? 826106;1410440042;fluffypony;no, we theorised that the attack was possible 826107;1410440046;mircea_popescu;jurov i dunno, i'm trying to clarify this claim. 826108;1410440067;jurov;fluffypony: what about ipv6? practically unlimited number of addresses 826109;1410440067;mircea_popescu;fluffypony ok, so if we accept this avenue exists, then a blacklisting scheme would not logically be expected to resolve it, just move the problem. 826110;1410440077;mircea_popescu;this is a purely logical approach, i have nfi of how it practically works 826111;1410440081;fluffypony;mircea_popescu: well Bitcoin's solution to the problem is to use SHA2 826112;1410440085;fluffypony;so that less CPU is burnt 826113;1410440088;fluffypony;for the same attack 826114;1410440096;fluffypony;both are equally "susceptible" 826115;1410440099;mircea_popescu;yes 826116;1410440110;fluffypony;so the mitigation is the same 826117;1410440119;mircea_popescu;so basically you're saying the technical tradeoff in question isn' treally trading anything worth the menton. 826118;1410440124;fluffypony;yes 826119;1410440127;mircea_popescu;aha okay. 826120;1410440161;mircea_popescu;i can arrive at a formulation of what the op thinks that i can integrate, it just takes an op that can answer questions for long enough :D 826121;1410440175;fluffypony;lol 826122;1410440186;fluffypony;welcome to b-a :-P 826123;1410440236;mircea_popescu;thanks i plan to spend a lot of time here 826124;1410440243;fluffypony;you really should 826125;1410440260;fluffypony;sometimes there is even pronz in the channel 826126;1410440270;fluffypony;and indian girls looking for free flight tickets 826127;1410440318;mircea_popescu;oh my 826128;1410440331;mircea_popescu;;;google wolves and bears of my 826129;1410440332;gribble;Natural Trap Cave: prehistoric lions, dire wolves, and bears, oh my ...: ; Lions and gray wolves and bears? Oh, my! | News-Gazette.com: ; Cougars and wolves and bears...oh my - (1 more message) 826130;1410440359;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19500 @ 0.00076799 = 14.9758 BTC [+] {2} 826131;1410440377;mircea_popescu;http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Etx-nDCZzLo 826132;1410440377;assbot;Judy Garland: Lions and tigers and bears! Oh my! (The Wizard Of Oz, 1939) - YouTube 826133;1410440382;mircea_popescu;here we go, useless bumgle. 826134;1410440389;fluffypony;lol 826135;1410440483;mircea_popescu;lions in the fucking forest. huzzah for all teh lernin'. 826136;1410440489;thestringpuller;today mircea_popescu exhibits symptoms of amnesia 826137;1410440535;mircea_popescu;anyway this dga fellow should be here. someone invite him 826138;1410440664;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 5 @ 0.19301957 = 0.9651 BTC [+] {3} 826139;1410440665;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=11-09-2014#825979 << this is like the first intelligent thing i've seen xmj say, but it is impressive. 826140;1410440666;assbot;Logged on 11-09-2014 10:10:37; xmj: do yourself a favor, use ports-mgmt/porttools 826141;1410440691;mircea_popescu;(i mean the whole monologue, not just the one line) 826142;1410440725;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 6 @ 0.194815 = 1.1689 BTC [+] {5} 826143;1410440739;nubbins`;http://i.imgur.com/qEfxrXP.gif 826144;1410440755;nubbins`;my sides 826145;1410440786;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 5 @ 0.19703837 = 0.9852 BTC [+] {5} 826146;1410440841;fluffypony;nubbins`: at least they're being useful and helping with cleaning 826147;1410440852;nubbins`;nod 826148;1410440863;nubbins`;Swiffer PetJet 826149;1410440892;nubbins`;another one here somewhere 826150;1410440921;nubbins`;http://imgur.com/sXZux7B 826151;1410440922;assbot;imgur: the simple image sharer 826152;1410440977;nubbins`;what's the word for when something is made to look like a human? 826153;1410440981;nubbins`;tip of my tongue 826154;1410441013;nubbins`;anthropomorphism 826155;1410441030;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12650 @ 0.00076749 = 9.7087 BTC [-] 826156;1410441039;fluffypony;I was going to go for greenpeace 826157;1410441045;fluffypony;O.o 826158;1410441074;nubbins`;orcapomorphism 826159;1410441083;nubbins`;wait 826160;1410441086;nubbins`;orcamorphism? 826161;1410441097;punkman;aye 826162;1410441128;mircea_popescu;o hay beautyon_ ! Le never fails to unintentionally entertain, but really, that's one you should prolly blog. 826163;1410441242;mircea_popescu;nubbins`: http://i.imgur.com/qEfxrXP.gif <<< bwahhah cat magnet 826164;1410441274;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11593 @ 0.00076749 = 8.8975 BTC [-] 826165;1410441335;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 4 @ 0.199 = 0.796 BTC [+] 826166;1410441358;nubbins`;:D 826167;1410441702;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 4 @ 0.22 = 0.88 BTC [+] {3} 826168;1410441764;mircea_popescu;http://33.media.tumblr.com/7acf8dba23117cd363e41e8f5d25581c/tumblr_mzo97lKriP1rhup7qo1_400.gif someone said something of pronz. 826169;1410443653;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.2010101 = 0.603 BTC [-] {2} 826170;1410443958;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 47 @ 0.19315992 = 9.0785 BTC [-] {5} 826171;1410444097;thestringpuller;when will assbot have !bait 826172;1410444100;thestringpuller;!bait 826173;1410444102;thestringpuller;:( 826174;1410444129;mircea_popescu;http://33.media.tumblr.com/b56dc09335df5284be9ffc571b1b2a3e/tumblr_mn5gg0b2Ki1r28s53o1_1280.png here. 826175;1410444212;thestringpuller;yay! 826176;1410444670;assbot;kolinko +v failed; L1: 0, L2: 0 826177;1410444783;mircea_popescu;!up kolinko 826178;1410444964;mircea_popescu;kolinko np. what brings you here ? 826179;1410445013;mircea_popescu;(you the appcodes kolinko ?) 826180;1410445018;kolinko;yes 826181;1410445025;kolinko;I founded Orisi two months ago (orisi.org) - it's a framework for building smart contracts 826182;1410445029;mircea_popescu;if you prove that i'll rate you, then you can self voice 826183;1410445051;kolinko;cool, will do that in a few minutes 826184;1410445104;kolinko;and I'm thinking of building a bitcoin smart contract for put/call options 826185;1410445122;mircea_popescu;the contract ain';t the problem there. 826186;1410445149;kolinko;what's the problem then? 826187;1410445239;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.2319997 = 0.696 BTC [-] 826188;1410445297;kolinko;(the idea is that a smart contract would be protected by a set of trustworthy individuals - no reliance on a single point of failure) 826189;1410445339;mircea_popescu;kolinko http://trilema.com/2014/mpoe-february-2014-statement/ read the misc section. 826190;1410445340;assbot;MPOE, February 2014 Statement pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. 826191;1410445359;mircea_popescu;and when you're done with that, to put things in perspective for you, mpex carried about 1mn total btc worth of options over a coupla years. 826192;1410445476;RagnarDanneskjol;also, 'trustworthy' is rather subjective 826193;1410445501;mircea_popescu;a "single point of failure" is a trustworthy individual by definition anyway. 826194;1410445512;kolinko;mircea_popescu - confirmation that I'm the appcodes kolinko: twitter.com/kolinko 826195;1410445524;RagnarDanneskjol;haha 826196;1410445525;mircea_popescu;;;rate kolinko appcodes guy 826197;1410445526;gribble;Error: 'appcodes' is not a valid integer. 826198;1410445530;mircea_popescu;;;rate kolinko 1 appcodes guy 826199;1410445531;gribble;Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user kolinko has been recorded. 826200;1410445545;mircea_popescu;kolinko id with gribble, pm assbot !up you get voice. 826201;1410445557;RagnarDanneskjol;oh i see nao 826202;1410445688;kolinko;mircea: I'll read the misc in a sec. as for your volume - I know it well - I'm your user since 2012 iirc 826203;1410445741;kolinko;the idea for the distributed contract was that if I want to build a business that relies on options, such a business shouldn't rely on a single individual/company 826204;1410445767;mircea_popescu;the problem with this approach is that if they're to be trusted they're sops by definition, and vice-versa. 826205;1410445808;kolinko;well, but if we had a panel of 15 trustworthy individuals, with a consensus of more than 50% of them required to release the fund 826206;1410445823;mircea_popescu;sybil attacks, and why would they be arsed to care about your needs. 826207;1410445841;mircea_popescu;these aren't simple problems, and they're unsimple for fundamental reasons, it's not a matter of implementation. 826208;1410445852;mircea_popescu;circle cvadrature is not a question of "get better draing tools" 826209;1410445870;mircea_popescu;drawing* 826210;1410445908;kolinko;well, sybil attack is really only a problem in systems that rely on anonymous parties 826211;1410445923;kolinko;as for why would be they arsed - for provision/payment of course 826212;1410445931;jurov;lol how would panel of 15 trustworthy individuals come up with bitcoin vwap to be used for option exercises? 826213;1410445971;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6683 @ 0.00076749 = 5.1291 BTC [-] 826214;1410445974;mircea_popescu;you are wrong in the first. sybil attacks are a problem on all systems that rely on identity to any degree. 826215;1410445975;kolinko;the same way it happens now with centralised systems? 826216;1410445978;mircea_popescu;in any form and in any way. 826217;1410446007;mircea_popescu;and the arsed problem is not something to brush aside. the better your sybil protection, the more expensive their pointless expense. 826218;1410446012;mircea_popescu;so they won't be arsed. 826219;1410446014;jurov;kolinko it currently does not happen, that's the problem 826220;1410446031;mircea_popescu;jurov well... it happened with libor :D 826221;1410446038;mircea_popescu;lotta trusted parties involved there. lulz. 826222;1410446095;kolinko;jurov: the idea is that you agree on an algorithm beforehand, and everyone uses the same one 826223;1410446096;mircea_popescu;anyway, sybil attacks are specifically not a problem in anon systems. if you go for a romp in a gay cinema, to be fucked by a random man, it makes no difference to you who fucks you, so you can't be sybil'd by definition. 826224;1410446118;kolinko;lol 826225;1410446125;mircea_popescu;lol all you will, tis true :) 826226;1410446132;kolinko;:) 826227;1410446156;ThickAsThieves;trust is a commodity 826228;1410446167;mircea_popescu;now, if you want to go back and get diddled by THE SAME GUY AS LAST TIME, you're in for it. 826229;1410446171;ThickAsThieves;it can be sold out anytime 826230;1410446209;ThickAsThieves;just sometimes the price aint what it seems 826231;1410446214;kolinko;what I meant is - if you have a system of 15 parties, each one of them signing messages with their own gpg keys, that can be quite secure against the sybil attack. the attacker would have to steal keys of 8 independent parties. 826232;1410446221;mircea_popescu;people tend to easily forget what identity means. here it is : =. every time you're using an equality sign, numerical, logical or otherwise you're relying on identity. cuz that's what it is. 826233;1410446222;kolinko;collution between parties is another matter of course 826234;1410446237;mircea_popescu;kolinko no, because how do you get the 15 parties ? 826235;1410446248;mircea_popescu;what if one wants to join ? were they 8 at some point ? 6 ? 826236;1410446256;ThickAsThieves;collusion + pollution = collution? 826237;1410446263;mircea_popescu;if god gave us 15 pilars then that'd be that 826238;1410446265;mircea_popescu;ThickAsThieves lmao 826239;1410446334;mircea_popescu;kolinko if you have a process to go from 1 party to two, then you have a sybil problem. and to have 15 you necessarily must have had that process. 826240;1410446352;kolinko;not necessarily 826241;1410446364;mircea_popescu;unless you've revolutionized counting, yes. 826242;1410446397;mircea_popescu;this is fundamental mathematics we're discussing here. 826243;1410446436;kolinko;you can create the list of 15 all at once. people wouldn't trust the list because they saw it being created. they trust the list, because they can review it one by one, and see that all the individuals are indeed trustworthy 826244;1410446455;ThickAsThieves;:/ 826245;1410446466;kolinko;in other words - you don't trust the list of 15 people because the list of 14 people said that you should trust it. you trust the list because you can see who's on it, and they look trustworthy. 826246;1410446479;ThickAsThieves;why are we making lists and giving things to 15 people? i guess i better read the logs, is this OT or something? 826247;1410446484;mircea_popescu;"all at once" ? what is this. 826248;1410446495;mircea_popescu;simultaneity in reality ? through what magic ? 826249;1410446505;mircea_popescu;and anyway, if "you" create it then you're just counting from 1 to 15. 826250;1410446547;mircea_popescu;ThickAsThieves nah, he's just trying to solve a fundamental problem through implementation and got blindsided by a theoretical exposition of it. 826251;1410446550;kolinko;you're nitpicking. what I meant is that it doesn't matter who created the list and how. what matters is whether the list really contains gpg keys of the people, and whether the people on the list want to participate 826252;1410446557;ThickAsThieves;decentralization as an ideal doesnt really exist, it's just a degree of centralization 826253;1410446565;mircea_popescu;but this also happens to be the definition of a sybil vulnerability. 826254;1410446585;ThickAsThieves;which in turn is just order against chaos 826255;1410446612;kolinko;well, every system is breakable. it's just a question of probability 826256;1410446624;mircea_popescu;hence my comment about them being arsed to put up with the cost of the defense. 826257;1410446650;mircea_popescu;and for that matter : the spf system is not breakable. 826258;1410446687;mircea_popescu;this is the main advantage of an overlord that the decentralize fanboys tend to ignore. if you have a good overlord, the system is unbreakable period. 826259;1410446694;mircea_popescu;not a question of any probabilities. 826260;1410446709;ThickAsThieves;til a nuke lands on your head at least 826261;1410446710;kolinko;the problem is that the overlord can disappear at any time 826262;1410446724;mircea_popescu;ThickAsThieves but see, if you delete the program, you can't say you've broken the code. 826263;1410446733;ThickAsThieves;fair enough 826264;1410446737;mircea_popescu;a system that either works as intended or not at all is the holy grail of unbreakability. 826265;1410446741;mircea_popescu;kolinko yes. 826266;1410446746;ThickAsThieves;but arent we discussing sustainability of a system? 826267;1410446759;mircea_popescu;well it's reasonably unclear what we're actually discussing. 826268;1410446763;ThickAsThieves;hehe 826269;1410446767;kolinko;as for people being bothered into doing this - it's a valid question, but one that can only be answered by trying it in practice 826270;1410446808;ThickAsThieves;for me, arguing against centralization as a broad value is silly 826271;1410446813;mircea_popescu;nah, it can actually be answered in theory too. just, it gets esoteric quickly. 826272;1410446821;ThickAsThieves;these are just system design factors 826273;1410446824;kolinko;:) 826274;1410446825;ThickAsThieves;not ideals or such 826275;1410446846;kolinko;what I'm really trying to figure out is whether people would be willing to try such a system 826276;1410446861;ThickAsThieves;people will try anything if youre wearing the right clothes 826277;1410446862;mircea_popescu;i wouldn't. 826278;1410446868;mircea_popescu;but some people might, sure. 826279;1410446924;mircea_popescu;imo the avenue to this standardisation is, once moloko delivers the registrar of deeds, and if indeed we want to do a lot of option trade, 826280;1410446933;mircea_popescu;it'll just work from there relying on the wot and that. 826281;1410446962;penguirker;New blog post: http://trilema.com/2014/tango-on-avenida-corrientes-buenos-aires/ 826282;1410446967;mircea_popescu;but really, there doesn't seem to be that much demand for options once the darkpool and bitbet respectively take the slack. 826283;1410447041;ThickAsThieves;so at first i was frustrated at this 1bTCXE trading challenge because basically what it is is they gave everyone a fake account with half BTC / half USD credits and people are set wild to trade the assets. However, there is no tie to the real market so it's mostly a psychological/economical experiment. In this case, is there theory on how such a market would play out? 826284;1410447075;mircea_popescu;read up on schelling ? 826285;1410447096;ThickAsThieves;only light exposure 826286;1410447117;ThickAsThieves;i know the concept, but how do i see the point? 826287;1410447118;The20YearIRCloud;mircea_popescu: re : keynesians - they still seem to be popular in the US. Alot worship at the temple 826288;1410447134;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: re: tango piece: did you take the creature home as a pet ? 826289;1410447157;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform did not. too old. 826290;1410447161;asciilifeform;aha. 826291;1410447165;kolinko;let's say that I wanted to build a business that relies on options... a web wallet that maintains the users' bitcoin balance stable in relation to usd (e.g. I put $100 worth of btc into the wallet, and after a year I'm almost guaranteed to be able to withdraw $100, regardless of bitcoin price) 826292;1410447176;mircea_popescu;experience shows girl under 30 or so has a lot of trouble reeducating. 826293;1410447180;mircea_popescu;over* 826294;1410447192;kolinko;such a business would require option trading on the backend. but how could it trade options securely, as of today? 826295;1410447202;mircea_popescu;kolinko either on otc or maybe make bitbet bets. 826296;1410447202;The20YearIRCloud;kol - it wouldn't be hard as long as you had a option to withdraw the USD 826297;1410447215;The20YearIRCloud;We've kind of looked at something like that, but offering USD denominated bonds sold via bitcoin 826298;1410447233;mircea_popescu;or i guess by trading the x.eur delivered future, if you can actually take delivery. 826299;1410447237;kolinko;bitbet is centralised, and the business would have to rely on bitbet not failing, right? 826300;1410447250;los_pantalones;the price of the vol on the puts is too high 826301;1410447253;mircea_popescu;all trade relies on your conterparty not running off. but yes. 826302;1410447254;los_pantalones;doesn't matter where you source it 826303;1410447254;kolinko;otc is hard to do automatically/hard to scale, or am I wrong? 826304;1410447261;los_pantalones;i'll sell to you on whatever platform you want 826305;1410447268;los_pantalones;but you'll drown in vol premium 826306;1410447272;mircea_popescu;los_pantalones bitbet is seriously not that expensive. 1% + time value. 826307;1410447291;los_pantalones;that's a good point, bitbet is your cheapest option 826308;1410447295;mircea_popescu;it is, yes. 826309;1410447298;los_pantalones;standard vanilla options much more expensive 826310;1410447324;kolinko;some good ideas here, thanks :) 826311;1410447335;jurov;kolinko we did not solve the exercise price yet (which was mpoe's undoing) 826312;1410447340;mircea_popescu;los_pantalones the eur future is actually even cheaper, arguably. 826313;1410447350;RagnarDanneskjol;if you must oracle, aristocracy is your best bet kolinko: http://trilema.com/2014/bitcoin-assets-m/#footnote_2_53902 826314;1410447351;assbot;#bitcoin-assets +m pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. 826315;1410447351;mircea_popescu;course doing a synth option on a future is fucking tricky. 826316;1410447364;jurov;how are these 15 people work on untrustworthy data from exchanges? 826317;1410447386;mircea_popescu;jurov honestly, if you actually had 15 people that were there assembled for merit, not just random derpage 826318;1410447386;jurov;regardless of you using bitbet or otc 826319;1410447392;mircea_popescu;i'd rather trust their fixing than exchanges. 826320;1410447399;mircea_popescu;you know how fixing works right ? 826321;1410447420;kolinko;well, the most expensive variant would be to rely on humans 826322;1410447431;mircea_popescu;yes, like with sex and food. 826323;1410447441;mircea_popescu;the most expensive variant is to get actual sex and actual food. 826324;1410447465;kolinko;i.e. each of the 15 operators provides the btc price, and the average is chosen after throwing away the extremes 826325;1410447474;jurov;yes, if these people can back the fixed price then it would go well 826326;1410447478;mircea_popescu;kolinko read up on fixing. srsly. 826327;1410447510;jurov;but then that's different thing than some deciding oracle 826328;1410447522;mircea_popescu;the thing that annoys me most about contemporaneity is that somehow it got convinced nothing pre ww2 ever happened. nfi why. so many excellent implementations of good solutions seem to just vanish in the general knowledge. 826329;1410447529;mircea_popescu;jurov quite different yes. 826330;1410447546;kolinko;it's still more secure than trusting a single party to provide the price, isn't it? 826331;1410447555;mircea_popescu;only if you have a good selection of 15. 826332;1410447559;jurov;!up mats_cd03 826333;1410447565;mircea_popescu;like you knolw, two girls are a better fuck than just one. provided they're not insane. 826334;1410447587;mats_cd03;kolinko: funny enough, thats how LIBOR was pegged. didya catch how LIBOR ended up rigged? 826335;1410447605;mircea_popescu;mats_cd03 i maintain it's free money that did it. 826336;1410447610;kolinko;:) well, to really break the system you'd need 8 of 15 conspire without the other 7 discovering that 826337;1410447630;mircea_popescu;kolinko no. the system can break itself, too. it doesn't need a mustachioed antropomorphised enemy. 826338;1410447631;mats_cd03;what is with you and this magic 15 number. i don't get it 826339;1410447640;kolinko;mats_cd03 didn't know about that. any link to the story? (or I can google) 826340;1410447645;mircea_popescu;three times the five talmudic pillars ? 826341;1410447662;mircea_popescu;one for each form of the trinity ? 826342;1410447701;kolinko;if you have 100 nobody will be bother to independently verify the list. 5 is too few. also, 15 is a technical limit - the max number of sigs for bitcoin multisig wallet is 15 826343;1410447712;mircea_popescu;ahahahaaha WHAT 826344;1410447717;mircea_popescu;holy shit what is wrong with these derps. 826345;1410447733;mats_cd03;why not 11. come on, it works for the judicial system in the US! 826346;1410447742;mircea_popescu;"o i know, instead of specifying this "hairball" we keep blaming on satoshi... how about we add... MORE MAGIC NUMBERS!!11" 826347;1410447745;mircea_popescu;fucktards. 826348;1410447747;jurov;kolinko again..these 15 say "the price at time T is P becuase.. some bullshit" 826349;1410447763;jurov;1000s worth of option exercise based on that 826350;1410447769;mats_cd03;oops... not 11... anyway. 826351;1410447772;mircea_popescu;srsly, the "multisig" thing has an arbitrary 15 limit ? 826352;1410447774;jurov;now you think the price was not fair 826353;1410447779;jurov;what now? 826354;1410447797;kolinko;mircea: 15 or 16. would have to check it again. but yeah, seriously 826355;1410447801;*;mats_cd03 has forgotten all his American Constitutional Law, even basics 826356;1410447814;mircea_popescu;kolinko shame on you for seriously thinking of pushing this crap downstream, seriously now. 826357;1410447829;mircea_popescu;"the limit some idiots put in is 15 so now i'm going to make it part of my brain" ? what is wrong with you! 826358;1410447859;kolinko;I'm not saying this is the best possible solution, only that it might be the most practical one 826359;1410447884;mircea_popescu;code in such a way you won't be ashamed to show what you've written to your kids or the woman that may potentially carry them. 826360;1410447890;mats_cd03;tell me why i would trust even 8 of 15 folks in this system 826361;1410447908;mats_cd03;and don't fucking say its because there are 15 of them. 826362;1410447928;kolinko;mats: you'd check the list one by one, and you'd determine that each one of them seems reasonable 826363;1410447941;RagnarDanneskjol;seems legit 826364;1410447942;kolinko;and that all of them are quite unlikely to collude 826365;1410447959;punkman;if only we had 14 spare MPs sitting around 826366;1410447990;mircea_popescu;punkman you're starting to sound like the girls :D 826367;1410447997;mats_cd03;unless i have a handler that knows where they live, who their friends are, where their assets are kept, trusting that many individuals seems a tricky proposition. trusting just one is hard enough 826368;1410448002;kolinko;no trust in the central authority / list creator. you'd see some folks with a high WoT rating, some bitcointalk hero members, some known businesspeople, and of course 8 of them would be us senators. 826369;1410448015;mircea_popescu;holy shit 826370;1410448020;mats_cd03;heh hero members 826371;1410448032;kolinko;:) oh come on, you know what I mean 826372;1410448039;punkman;8 US senators? 826373;1410448039;mircea_popescu;well i guess mpoe-pr was a hero... member. 826374;1410448057;punkman;stepping up the troll game? 826375;1410448090;mircea_popescu;punkman barney frank, of "i fuck little boys" fame, comes to mind 826376;1410448107;mircea_popescu;after all, he recently wrote a mega-piece of us trollery didn't he. 826377;1410448110;mircea_popescu;well, co-author. 826378;1410448113;mats_cd03;i can't tell if you're trolling anymore 826379;1410448113;mats_cd03;10/10 masterful execution m8 826380;1410448115;thestringpuller;i need about tree fiddy 826381;1410448120;kolinko;you wouldn't really need to trust them to handle funds, just for them to be unable to conspire with eachother 826382;1410448148;RagnarDanneskjol;better to go with british monarchy - at least you can find their parents if all goes to hell 826383;1410448160;asciilifeform;for them to be unable to conspire with eachother << what'll you do? search their rectums for radios, then build each into own oubliette ? 826384;1410448165;mircea_popescu;yeah, a system with charles and barney frank. 826385;1410448175;mircea_popescu;no this is starting to sound better and better. i hope they make a mars lander. 826386;1410448199;mircea_popescu;could that nut with virgin be part of it too ? he is a businessman, after a fashion. 826387;1410448216;mircea_popescu;he knows how to make a small fortune out of things, provided he has a large one to start with. 826388;1410448234;kolinko;it's not about creating a system that's impossible to cheat, it's about creating a system that's too hard to cheat 826389;1410448234;jurov;i'd vouch for assbot to be included 826390;1410448254;jurov;the most trusted bot in the WoT 826391;1410448270;kolinko;:) 826392;1410448284;mircea_popescu;kolinko you're so far making a system that's too hard not to laugh at. 826393;1410448289;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 8 @ 0.24218749 = 1.9375 BTC [+] {2} 826394;1410448305;mats_cd03;https://www.iacr.org/archive/crypto2001/21390001.pdf an oldie but still good. 'on the impossibility of obfuscating programs.' 826395;1410448333;mircea_popescu;los_pantalones let me guess, the situation is that calls you don't really know how to price and so don't really want to sell and puts you can price perfectly well and nobody can afford ? 826396;1410448350;mircea_popescu;mats_cd03 nu-uh, there's ioncube! 826397;1410448385;kolinko;did you read a piece by Gavin on bit-thereum? http://gavintech.blogspot.com/2014/06/bit-thereum.html - he's arguing for a similar thing 826398;1410448386;assbot;GavinTech: Bit-thereum 826399;1410448395;kolinko;(a proof by authority: yay! ) 826400;1410448410;mircea_popescu;well gavin doesn't enjoy much of a reputation for a thinker around here, but let's see. 826401;1410448441;mats_cd03;b-b-but, my brain work g-g-good... 826402;1410448475;mod6;t-t-t-today Junior! 826403;1410448516;mircea_popescu;meh. guy's just jotting down random thoughts. they are pretty broken, but can't judge one on that. anyway. 826404;1410448536;jurov;http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=73UdOn2VunQ 826405;1410448536;assbot;SNAP! - World in my Hands - YouTube 826406;1410448562;mircea_popescu;anyway, ThickAsThieves The Strategy of Conflict, old book. 826407;1410448576;mircea_popescu;doubt you read it, prolly exactly what you're looking for re the btcxe thing 826408;1410448595;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7200 @ 0.00076808 = 5.5302 BTC [+] 826409;1410448670;mats_cd03;not to be a douchebag, or anything, kolinko, but i am reminded of this American serial Boardwalk Empire 826410;1410448690;RagnarDanneskjol;great book - here's pdf: http://nazbol.net/library/authors/Thomas%20Schelling/The%20Strategy%20of%20Conflict.pdf 826411;1410448694;mats_cd03;main character, an old fuck named Nucky, says to a useless subordinate 826412;1410448706;mats_cd03;'Shut the fuck up Donny, you're out of your element.' 826413;1410448732;kolinko;I totally am, that's why I came to you guys to talk and learn 826414;1410448766;kolinko;"Sucking at something is the first step to becoming sorta good at something" -- Jake The Dog 826415;1410448793;mircea_popescu;RagnarDanneskjol o hey nice, i had no idea it's floating around 826416;1410448813;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: Drunk rating, he tripped the paranoia alarms 826417;1410448817;mircea_popescu;mats_cd03 he has a point, look at all the great discussion he caused. 826418;1410448826;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo well don't drunk rate eh. 826419;1410448840;mats_cd03;oh wait... i think i'm referencing the wrong thing actually. seppeku. 826420;1410448851;mircea_popescu;thing is when you rate, you force everyone to evaluate things. some people precache, and do it on the spot, some others will do it over time. 826421;1410448858;mircea_popescu;consider the discussion with rithm re guruvan earlier. 826422;1410448868;mircea_popescu;mats_cd03 sepukku. 826423;1410448872;mircea_popescu;can't even speal. 826424;1410448894;mats_cd03;doh 826425;1410448947;mod6;discussion is good, reading ~900 days of logs is probably a pre-requisite 826426;1410448974;mircea_popescu;i wonder how long that takes lol. 826427;1410448989;mod6;lol. can't finish until you start :) 826428;1410449018;mircea_popescu;actually it's not even 900, only about 500 or so. logs start last year in spring. 826429;1410449030;mod6;ah, ok. 826430;1410449049;mircea_popescu;the chan is old enough to have had nefario derping et all, but im not sure that's avail on website 826431;1410449081;thestringpuller;nefario: "I have this great idea guys. It's called GLBSE" 826432;1410449083;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27894 @ 0.00076811 = 21.4257 BTC [+] {2} 826433;1410449097;thestringpuller;"If you have any assets you want to list email me!" 826434;1410449111;mircea_popescu;;;seen nefario 826435;1410449111;gribble;nefario was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 1 year, 50 weeks, 1 day, 19 hours, 25 minutes, and 0 seconds ago: Those assets are not listed or traded anymore 826436;1410449119;assbot;Last 5 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/3EJ7Z8Y.txt ) 826437;1410449119;mircea_popescu;!b 5 826438;1410449140;mircea_popescu;thestringpuller brilliantly played, sir. 826439;1410449143;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 11 @ 0.24645726 = 2.711 BTC [+] {3} 826440;1410449186;mats_cd03;!s muppetlabs 826441;1410449186;assbot;0 results for 'muppetlabs' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=muppetlabs 826442;1410449217;mats_cd03;http://www.muppetlabs.com/~breadbox/software/tiny/teensy.html and http://www.muppetlabs.com/~breadbox/txt/rsa.html worth a read 826443;1410449219;assbot;A Whirlwind Tutorial on Creating Really Teensy ELF Executables for Linux 826444;1410449220;assbot;Prime Number Hide-and-Seek: How the RSA Cipher Works 826445;1410449248;mircea_popescu;not bad, 826446;1410449302;mircea_popescu;dude i had forgotten what a nice ass penny ford has 826447;1410449304;mircea_popescu;well... had. 826448;1410449404;BingoBoingo;k 826449;1410449428;RagnarDanneskjol;!up mats_cd03 826450;1410449449;kolinko;(what's the etiquette if I'm going afk? !down to assbot ? ) 826451;1410449456;mircea_popescu;nah 826452;1410449467;mircea_popescu;there's no etuiqueety, we're assholes. 826453;1410449471;mats_cd03;penny ford, the negress? 826454;1410449480;mircea_popescu;mats_cd03 snap girl, jurov linked it earlier 826455;1410449558;mats_cd03;good timing, now i feel like an asshole. 826456;1410449626;mats_cd03;for anyone interested in .mil films or trashcanistan, restrepo + korengal are excellent and worth watching 826457;1410449641;xmj;moin 826458;1410449652;xmj;fluffypony: progress is going well, i suppose? 826459;1410449747;mircea_popescu;!up dooglus 826460;1410449750;mircea_popescu;o look who's there. 826461;1410449754;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25282 @ 0.00076769 = 19.4087 BTC [-] {2} 826462;1410449814;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 976 @ 0.00076719 = 0.7488 BTC [-] {2} 826463;1410450029;fluffypony;xmj: had to pause it to do other stuff, will pick it up again tomorrow 826464;1410450035;fluffypony;but at least it compiles and runs from github 826465;1410450043;xmj;that's good news! 826466;1410450059;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27700 @ 0.00076812 = 21.2769 BTC [+] 826467;1410450476;ThickAsThieves;<+mircea_popescu> kolinko no. the system can break itself, too. it doesn't need a mustachioed antropomorphised enemy. /// glad to see you say so, it's a point often missed in many circumstances. for example, some want to paint USG as a hyper conspiracy and assume all its evil/scammy actions are fully intentional. More likely, it just evolved to be a broken shit in all corners of its 826468;1410450477;ThickAsThieves;house, nurturing powers like overgrown weeds that now appear to make up the whole lawn. 826469;1410450513;mircea_popescu;i thought that was my stated perspective all through. 826470;1410450545;ThickAsThieves;<+punkman> if only we had 14 spare MPs sitting around /// oh lord! 826471;1410450560;mircea_popescu;ThickAsThieves imagine if they also had tits. 826472;1410450598;BingoBoingo;http://science.slashdot.org/story/14/09/11/0041227/x-class-solar-flare-coming-friday << Time to practice your Em shielding 826473;1410450599;assbot;X-Class Solar Flare Coming Friday - Slashdot 826474;1410450640;*;jurov puts on his tinfoil hat 826475;1410450641;ThickAsThieves;<+mircea_popescu> anyway, ThickAsThieves The Strategy of Conflict, old book. /// will check it out 826476;1410450645;mircea_popescu;fun fact : living in argentina confers a lot of immunity to flares :D 826477;1410450821;mircea_popescu;;;bc,stats 826478;1410450824;gribble;Current Blocks: 320167 | Current Difficulty: 2.7428630902257874E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 320543 | Next Difficulty In: 376 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 2 days, 11 hours, 45 minutes, and 41 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 29233824168.3 | Estimated Percent Change: 6.58142 826479;1410450851;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 10 @ 0.232 = 2.32 BTC [-] {2} 826480;1410451006;ThickAsThieves;does AM even pay divs anymore? 826481;1410451019;asciilifeform;obligatory: 826482;1410451020;asciilifeform;http://bofh.ntk.net/BOFH/0000/bastard06.php 826483;1410451021;assbot;Bastard Operator From Hell Official Archive 826484;1410451034;asciilifeform;'I turn the page on the excuse sheet. "SOLAR FLARES" stares out at me. I'd better read up on that.' 826485;1410451038;ThickAsThieves;last div was in March, heh 826486;1410451062;xmj;asciilifeform: BOFH excuse calendar fortune on terminal opening. 826487;1410451064;xmj;great fun. 826488;1410451068;asciilifeform;'"MAGNETS! Wrap your disks up in a pillow case with lots of magnets - Solar Flares hate that." "Wow! Thanks."' 826489;1410451084;xmj;asciilifeform: fortune /usr/local/share/games/fortune/bofh 826490;1410451087;xmj;I dare you. 826491;1410451217;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] [PAID] 1.40997627 BTC to 15`381 shares, 9167 satoshi per share 826492;1410451278;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] [PAID] 7.33692344 BTC to 1`149`988 shares, 638 satoshi per share 826493;1410451442;mircea_popescu;http://38.media.tumblr.com/b3a3dd1cbcd669da88f90b82eb61f19f/tumblr_n115a1cQcW1t9sgudo1_500.jpg grain! 826494;1410451474;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: sovpr0n ? 826495;1410451506;asciilifeform;(not the 'genuine article,' clearly, but in the spirit of 'ilsa, she-wolf of auschwitz' for germans) 826496;1410451698;ThickAsThieves;http://brianmatthews60.blogspot.com/2014/03/ilsa-she-wolf-of-ss.html 826497;1410451699;assbot;Movie Ramble: Ilsa She Wolf of the SS. 826498;1410451714;ThickAsThieves;looks like some gnarly stuff 826499;1410451766;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 52 @ 0.25111536 = 13.058 BTC [+] {5} 826500;1410451949;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.269 = 0.538 BTC [+] 826501;1410452159;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform lol i guess. 826502;1410452176;mircea_popescu;ThickAsThieves buncha sexploitations of the 70s, they're all pretty much the same thing. 826503;1410452196;mircea_popescu;;;google Blutjunge Verfuhrerinnen trilema 826504;1410452197;gribble;Februarie 2012 pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.: ; Trilematograf pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.: ; Martie 2012 pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.: 826505;1410452681;mircea_popescu;http://31.media.tumblr.com/d7b1e31efb1da4ad0a1d9d0e1d467c1d/tumblr_n0dessqa1c1rs2onlo1_1280.jpg new chlamydia cure. 826506;1410452695;ThickAsThieves;get this: "CM was described as a "virtual company†by LTC-Global (and accordingly referred to as such in the CM Business Plan). However, as a matter of English law, CM may be considered a general partnership. If that is the case, then the 'shareholders' of CM - which includes yourself - would all be considered partners. As partners, they would all be jointly and severally liable for 826507;1410452695;ThickAsThieves;CM's debts, including the 'Bond'. It is therefore possible that 'bondholders' may seek to take legal action against CM's 'shareholders', including yourself, to seek to recover that debt. However, if 'bondholders' accept the restructure plan proposed below, that risk might be mitigated." 826508;1410452732;ThickAsThieves;it continues to say shareholders get to vote on this move, (not bondholders) 826509;1410452740;ThickAsThieves;https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=286634.msg8732682#msg8732682 826510;1410452740;assbot;[BTC-TC] CIPHERMINE.B1 - a virtual corporate bond with a 22% fixed-fiat APR 826511;1410452744;mircea_popescu;lmao 826512;1410452758;mircea_popescu;that torturous pseudolegal interpretation has exactly no grounds to stand on. 826513;1410452808;mircea_popescu;isn't this the "uk busineswoman" of great repute that i "viciously attacked" for "no good reason" last year ? 826514;1410452830;mircea_popescu;kate/craig wood ? 826515;1410452863;ThickAsThieves;yes 826516;1410452879;ThickAsThieves;owes me 150btc 826517;1410452899;mircea_popescu;heh. 826518;1410452902;ThickAsThieves;not that i expect to see it 826519;1410452911;mircea_popescu;http://38.media.tumblr.com/f9532aaee443a7620f0f02ebc6a82753/tumblr_myxfk7hFOJ1t47ykxo1_250.gif 826520;1410452915;nubbins`;lel 826521;1410452918;ThickAsThieves;unsure whether legal pursuit would be worth it 826522;1410452941;mircea_popescu;maybe you could get his "woman of the year in buziness" trophy ? 826523;1410452944;fluffypony;probably more trouble than its worth 826524;1410452952;ThickAsThieves;she does seem to have assets 826525;1410452959;RagnarDanneskjol;oh yea 826526;1410452961;mircea_popescu;or maybe the uk could be forced to pay for having swindled the general public with pointless "women too" bullshit ? 826527;1410453011;ThickAsThieves;i never intended to hold the bonds long term, it was just a risky trade. btct closed while in the process of selling em off... 826528;1410453020;ThickAsThieves;lessons 826529;1410453050;mircea_popescu;that's the way these "profits" go. 826530;1410453059;mircea_popescu;herpy derp, make 1% ten times then lose it all on the 11th pass. 826531;1410453071;ThickAsThieves;something like that 826532;1410453095;mircea_popescu;but people generally don't want to believe asshole "single points of failure", because decentralized wisdom tells them "it works just fine" 826533;1410453110;mircea_popescu;lyf. 826534;1410453356;ThickAsThieves;i wonder if more loss was caused by gov influence to shut down btc exchsnges, than if they remainded open 826535;1410453371;mircea_popescu;define loss. 826536;1410453396;ThickAsThieves;customers getting more bitcoins out 826537;1410453433;ThickAsThieves;as in if bf and btct werent shut down by USG, the lie may have played out to less loss 826538;1410453486;ThickAsThieves;i suppose itd just be redistribution of whatever actuall btc were in the systems 826539;1410453492;ThickAsThieves;with no real gain 826540;1410453538;ThickAsThieves;all i'm saying is if BTCT didnt close i woulda sold them shits! 826541;1410453604;ThickAsThieves;and then the Bitfunder thing is still a total mystery 826542;1410453606;punkman;passing the bad doesn't make it disappear 826543;1410453608;punkman;*bag 826544;1410453628;ThickAsThieves;indeed 826545;1410453636;kolinko;quick question re: trusted data feeds. is the problem generally in the api/site potentially getting hacked, or the algorithm for a computation of one being suspectible to manipulation? what's the problem with deciding that the btc/usd price is an average of btc-e, bitstamp & kraken, each adjusted for volume? 826546;1410453688;punkman;kolinko: the problem is all three might misplace their decimal points 826547;1410453702;ThickAsThieves;it happens 826548;1410453717;punkman;btw 826549;1410453718;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.2301 = 0.6903 BTC [-] {2} 826550;1410453720;ThickAsThieves;you see glitched trade feeds in an exchange every few mos 826551;1410453720;punkman;!search orisi 826552;1410453720;assbot;3 results for 'orisi' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=orisi 826553;1410453721;asciilifeform;your isp also may succumb to temptation to nudge a decimal. 826554;1410453741;punkman;!search oracle 826555;1410453742;assbot;86 results for 'oracle' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=oracle 826556;1410453751;kolinko;punkman:wow, cool, thx 826557;1410453871;kolinko;thick: but isn't that a matter of a better averaging algorithm construction? e.g. if one of the exchanges is far away, we're suspending the feed until situation resolves (would obviously need to be more elaborate) 826558;1410453938;mike_c;and what do you do when the biggest exchange goes apeshit and has a price that is 50% different than the others for weeks? 826559;1410453952;mike_c;oh, wait, this is what happenned 826560;1410453972;punkman;and the bot is still suspended 826561;1410453975;ThickAsThieves;it's worse now actually, 826562;1410454001;ThickAsThieves;any notable movement on any of the 4 or so top exchanges will cause movement on the rest 826563;1410454016;ThickAsThieves;so one glitch would indeed have implications 826564;1410454035;kolinko;a failsafe rule for removal that one exchange from the computation? 826565;1410454045;ThickAsThieves;what if its real? 826566;1410454050;ThickAsThieves;you gonna dictate the mkt now? 826567;1410454117;kolinko;or letting trusted humans solve the issue? or a requierement for both parties to figure out the agreement? 826568;1410454129;ThickAsThieves;people wanna do things like circuit-breakers, and curating the data somehow, it's all shit imo 826569;1410454148;punkman;kolinko, full circle back to OTC GPG contracts? 826570;1410454152;kolinko;arbitrage/human interventions work in the real world 826571;1410454165;mircea_popescu; i suppose itd just be redistribution of whatever actuall btc were in the systems << bingo. 826572;1410454175;mircea_popescu;idiots losing their btc ohldings is a net plus for society. 826573;1410454207;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27800 @ 0.00076768 = 21.3415 BTC [-] {2} 826574;1410454211;nubbins`;depends who they lose em to 826575;1410454218;ThickAsThieves;well, youre welcome society, for my earlier transgressions! 826576;1410454224;mircea_popescu;kolinko> quick question re: trusted data feeds what's the problem with deciding that << you know what wash trading is ? 826577;1410454250;xmj;KODE_YETI: you around yet? 826578;1410454264;kolinko;mircea_popescu: will go and read about it 826579;1410454290;thestringpuller;mod6: http://www.cnn.com/2014/08/25/showbiz/rapper-arrested/ 826580;1410454296;mircea_popescu;the problem of trust is a very long and sensitive chain. creating a 99% functional chain still doesn't create a functional chain. 826581;1410454319;ThickAsThieves;<+mircea_popescu> you know what wash trading is ? /// still happens quite obviously in btc exchanges 826582;1410454327;mircea_popescu;as to trusted humans, read up on fixing, as a pricing procedure. it's been explained in the logs a year ago, too 826583;1410454347;mircea_popescu;ThickAsThieves and even without the major incentive of gaming a large options operation 826584;1410454375;ThickAsThieves;the margin and futures scene is heating up tho 826585;1410454395;mircea_popescu;in all the bad ways. 826586;1410454399;ThickAsThieves;yep 826587;1410454439;ThickAsThieves;i watched these new chinese futures a lil and its basically being traded like btc, no real future sentiment at all 826588;1410454447;kolinko;ThickAsThieves: how is it heating up? where can I track news? (thx for answering all the basic questions) 826589;1410454456;ThickAsThieves;all the chinese exchanges are no-fee 826590;1410454462;ThickAsThieves;and now offering bonds 826591;1410454463;ThickAsThieves;cmon now 826592;1410454478;mircea_popescu;myup. 826593;1410454487;mircea_popescu;but hey, why should i worry about that :D 826594;1410454496;mircea_popescu;we have hard currency, let them fail, what's the problem. 826595;1410454500;nubbins`;BUT IF THEY'RE NO-FEE.... 826596;1410454514;ThickAsThieves;i wish you offered BTCUSD trading in some capacity 826597;1410454525;kolinko;arent those exchanges for kids with pocket change and fools? 826598;1410454537;nubbins`;kolinko remove the word "those" 826599;1410454544;mircea_popescu;ThickAsThieves i won't without a submissive government, and then it'd be btc/that fiat. 826600;1410454547;asciilifeform;ThickAsThieves: usd is a 'tar baby' 826601;1410454562;ThickAsThieves;kolinko its hard to tell real exchange volume 826602;1410454568;ThickAsThieves;china def fakes/washes 826603;1410454614;kolinko;makes sense 826604;1410454618;ThickAsThieves;bfx has some kinda sneaky something going on 826605;1410454626;ThickAsThieves;often limit orders not filling 826606;1410454644;mircea_popescu;they imported the icbit software lol 826607;1410454656;ThickAsThieves;i do like bfx otherwise tho 826608;1410454665;mircea_popescu;well otherwise what's not to like. 826609;1410454669;ThickAsThieves;miles better than any other exchange 826610;1410454676;mircea_popescu;i like mcdonalds otherwise too :D 826611;1410454679;ThickAsThieves;hehe 826612;1410454801;ThickAsThieves;i think part of the bfx shenanigans lie in how they display one decimal place for USD in orderbook, but allow orders to specify 2 places 826613;1410454803;mircea_popescu;ThickAsThieves anyway, if you manage to get through the hoops on davout's exchange you can practically trade the eur 826614;1410454859;ThickAsThieves;does it haz leverage? 826615;1410454893;ThickAsThieves;and liquidity 826616;1410454901;nubbins`;probably the wrong crowd around for this, but any interest in a 2012-funded 25btc casascius coin w/ pgp docs? 826617;1410454940;ThickAsThieves;interested, sure, just not interested in insane premiums it probably comes with 826618;1410454969;ThickAsThieves;whats that go for these days? 826619;1410454983;ThickAsThieves;+$5k? 826620;1410455000;mircea_popescu;ThickAsThieves afaik there's a liquidity bot, and im sure you can get better leverage elsewhere. 826621;1410455034;mircea_popescu;nubbins` it's not really over 100 btc is it ?! 826622;1410455298;nubbins`;? nooo 826623;1410455330;nubbins`;ThickAsThieves: a 25btc coin selling for 10btc? :0 826624;1410455356;punkman;10btc premium 826625;1410455361;nubbins`;oh, heh. 826626;1410455388;nubbins`;nah, around 28-30 would be more realistic 826627;1410455435;mircea_popescu;the 14k coin ? 826628;1410455439;mircea_popescu;not bad. 826629;1410455470;nubbins`;i think it's just plated 826630;1410455543;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=14-03-2014#560583 826631;1410455544;assbot;Logged on 14-03-2014 20:49:27; asciilifeform: turns out that the instrument i proposed for raping casascius coins is available commercially: 826632;1410455545;ThickAsThieves;those bars and coins are like the best btc investment ever 826633;1410455558;mircea_popescu;notrly, but anyway 826634;1410455578;ThickAsThieves;well, i think of the added force the impose to not sell your coins 826635;1410455595;ThickAsThieves;100btc gold bars cost what originally? 826636;1410455624;mircea_popescu;s.mpoe was 2k satoshi originally., 826637;1410455659;ThickAsThieves;i guess AM maybe was best rise 826638;1410455667;ThickAsThieves;.1 to 5.6 826639;1410455676;mircea_popescu;;;google trilema history best investments btc 826640;1410455677;gribble;The best investments in the history of Bitcoin pe Trilema - Un blog de ...: ; MPEx : one year of dividends pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.: ; Why you can't invest with Cryptostocks pe Trilema - Un blog de ...: are us folk really that poor ? << Cash averse. Love their plastic 826822;1410472924;mircea_popescu;so they're really that poor. 826823;1410472966;BingoBoingo;Yeah 826824;1410473002;asciilifeform;http://www.washingtonpost.com/sf/investigative/2014/09/07/police-intelligence-targets-cash << original article apparently 826825;1410473002;assbot;Police training firms teaching helps fuel rise in cash seizures on U.S. highways | The Washington Post 826826;1410473013;mircea_popescu;well, being a 3rd world shithole is pretty bad, but not knowing it is arguably worse. 826827;1410473156;mircea_popescu;%p 826828;1410473159;atcbot;No data returned from CoinMiner.net 826829;1410473159;atcbot;[PityThePool Hashrate]: 0.00 GH/s [iSpace Pool Hashrate]: 1.09 TH/s 826830;1410473166;mircea_popescu;%d 826831;1410473167;atcbot;[ATC Diff] Current Diff: 1878190.93 Est. Next Diff: 285796.47 in 1239 blocks (#46368) Est. % Change: -84.78 826832;1410474739;BingoBoingo;http://proxy.espn.go.com/espn/page2/story?id=1250751 826833;1410474741;assbot;ESPN.com: Page 2 : Fear & Loathing in America 826834;1410475434;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5950 @ 0.00076425 = 4.5473 BTC [-] 826835;1410475594;mike_c;ThickAsThieves: by the way, i did some rounds of correlation analysis. s.mpoe continues to defy explanation. there is certainly no correlation to the exchange rate. 826836;1410475668;mircea_popescu;rng! 826837;1410475699;mircea_popescu;mike_c there's always ~some~ correlation. since you did the math anyway, what is it ? 826838;1410475700;mircea_popescu;.2 ? 826839;1410475701;mike_c;i don't know about stand alone, but it is when combined with the exchange rate in any fashion. 826840;1410475705;mike_c;lower 826841;1410475708;mike_c;below .1 826842;1410475709;mircea_popescu;lower than .2 ?! 826843;1410475711;mircea_popescu;o.O 826844;1410475718;mircea_popescu;that's rich. 826845;1410475752;mike_c;looking at any reasonable timeframe it is nothing. I tried to force it. took just the last few months, removed some of the recent dip/spikes, and got it up to 0.5 826846;1410475765;mike_c;but it was stupid 826847;1410475768;mircea_popescu;congrats, you basically did ta :D 826848;1410475785;mike_c;tea leaves came up empty 826849;1410475810;mike_c;the only surprise to me was just how low the correlation was. 826850;1410475822;mircea_popescu;i hear you. 826851;1410475827;mircea_popescu;!up hyhycaptain 826852;1410476078;hyhycaptain;ns identify 1DmtGhb*^&! 826853;1410476101;asciilifeform;^ pw!? 826854;1410476109;Apocalyptic;probably 826855;1410476111;mircea_popescu;hyhycaptain change it now, chan is logged. 826856;1410476113;Apocalyptic;you may want to change that asap 826857;1410476155;BingoBoingo;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=11-09-2014#826852 826858;1410476156;assbot;Logged on 11-09-2014 22:54:38; hyhycaptain: ns identify 1DmtGhb*^&! 826859;1410476159;mircea_popescu;also separated pws are shitty. no crap. 826860;1410476199;hyhycaptain;ns release 826861;1410476208;BingoBoingo;DMT and GHB... tripping balls? 826862;1410476210;jurov;http://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2014/09/russia-putin-revolutionizing-information-warfare/379880/?single_page=true 826863;1410476210;assbot;Russia and the Menace of Unreality - The Atlantic 826864;1410476228;Apocalyptic;hyhycaptain, is your "/" key broken ? 826865;1410476229;hyhycaptain;gee yes, and i can't find anything 826866;1410476233;xmj;jurov: i've seen it before 826867;1410476240;xmj;jurov: Goebbels would be SO fucking proud. 826868;1410476245;xmj;or maybe not; they're slavs. 826869;1410476278;jurov;that's how asciilifeform's conquest works 826870;1410476280;asciilifeform;proud >> of 'the atlantic.' 826871;1410476300;jurov;asciilifeform but it's true 826872;1410476322;jurov;i see here that horrible disinfo leaking from the east 826873;1410476357;jurov;such as, EU supposedly enforcing a "juvenile justice" 826874;1410476366;asciilifeform;jurov: how is that disinfo ? 826875;1410476366;mircea_popescu;assbot> Russia and the Menace of Unreality - The Atlantic << gotta love the english agitprop, this entire "the gauls don't really exist so clearly they couldn't be at the gates" thing. 826876;1410476374;jurov;that will take kids away from heteros and give them to queers 826877;1410476375;mircea_popescu;"putin doesn;t understand how the world works" 826878;1410476409;asciilifeform;jurov: nope. in russia, people have successfully resisted, for the most part, the 'civilized' western notion that the crown has business taking children. 826879;1410476449;jurov;but whole juvenile justice story is fabricated 826880;1410476452;asciilifeform;the 'queers' angle is sprayed on by western journarasts. 826881;1410476457;mircea_popescu;jurov it's only nonsense in the form presented. otherwise, the eu does believe it has jurisdiction over children above and beyond that of the family. 826882;1410476460;mircea_popescu;^ 826883;1410476463;asciilifeform;as does usa. 826884;1410476470;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform usa is just a colony. 826885;1410476482;mircea_popescu;of course it'd fly along with whatever the french, the english and so forth figure out. 826886;1410476500;hyhycaptain;!up 826887;1410476553;jurov;of course that is how RT works 826888;1410476588;jurov;takes a grain of EU social care taking children 826889;1410476607;mircea_popescu;that grain is a grain in my eye. 826890;1410476625;jurov;mixes it with fear from queers adpting children 826891;1410476663;asciilifeform;'prior to Americans' gay rights agitation, Russian gays used to be called “faggots”; now they are being called “American faggots,” and gay rights in Russia have taken a giant leap back.' - orlov 826892;1410476677;jurov;and now the nocsense is suddenly presented as fact and i have to convince half of my facebook friends 826893;1410476691;jurov;that such "juvenile justice" does not exist 826894;1410476709;mircea_popescu;jurov you'll have a hard time wiht it. 826895;1410476729;mircea_popescu;but yes it does exist : the eu state will, under a multitude of pretexts, steal children. 826896;1410476745;asciilifeform;so perhaps enemy does not bayonet babies and eat them under white sauce. he merely strangles them humanely and reprocesses into Garboil. 826897;1410476756;asciilifeform;go convince. 826898;1410476765;jurov;i indeed have a hard time with your insistence that everything out there is an overactive imagination of western journos 826899;1410476782;jurov;while putin never lied and never will 826900;1410476789;mircea_popescu;you mean his or mine ? 826901;1410476797;jurov;both 826902;1410476807;mircea_popescu;putin is lying every chance he gets, what. 826903;1410476816;mircea_popescu;how did i end up giving ~that~ impression for crying out loud. 826904;1410476882;jurov;you dismissed is as mere agitprop 826905;1410476926;xmj;jurov: I'm ruthless about russian supporters 826906;1410476934;mircea_popescu;but it's not what i said. i merely remarked on a particular mental complex, wherein the western agitprop calls things they don't like and can't derride "inexistent" a certain way 826907;1410477015;mircea_popescu;lemme model this. suppose we go out for a picnic, and suppose we're there with some girls, and suppose a cow comes and shits in our cornmeal pot. and suppose one of the girls goes "oh my!" 826908;1410477028;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: it mostly works for the target audience. to most folks in usa, who are literate in no foreign languages, never travel except on official orders, etc. - if not thrown in their face, fact does not exist. 826909;1410477030;mircea_popescu;me mocking her for the "oh my" lulz doesn't mean i am in favour of cattle shitting in cookpots. 826910;1410477045;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform which is why this is funny. 826911;1410477054;jurov;anyhow. you both be glad you're living in countries divided by distance and language (more or less) from this shit 826912;1410477065;xmj;:| 826913;1410477066;jurov;slovakia is mentioned there for a reason 826914;1410477067;mircea_popescu;jurov you will note in my case this is not happenstance. 826915;1410477088;xmj;I'm glad I'm living in a country who has a couple of german tornados stationed in it 826916;1410477099;mircea_popescu;xmj they're allies you know. 826917;1410477110;asciilifeform;living where 'this shit' is grown, packaged, and flown out for export is not particularly thrilling either. 826918;1410477111;mircea_popescu;katyn or auschwitz, what's the big difference. 826919;1410477163;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform dude imagine for the sake of science fiction, a putin that didn't lie. like, ever. he'd be spotless like warm milk foam. 826920;1410477166;mircea_popescu;o.o 826921;1410477182;*;asciilifeform likes to show americans 'the venerable ancient Ukrs' - is almost never believed, even when rubbing their nose in primary source 826922;1410477191;mircea_popescu;they'd prolly flay him alive just for the cognitive dissonance 826923;1410477205;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: what next, a pope that doesn't lie? 826924;1410477215;mircea_popescu;popes don't lie, they're just infallible and impeccable. 826925;1410477220;mircea_popescu;next best thing. 826926;1410477387;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 1014 @ 0.00054999 = 0.5577 BTC [-] {2} 826927;1410477431;jurov;i was just venting my worries that this piece of world might not be safe again... obv mircea's lofty assessment "nah, agitprop" or ascii's urks hair splitting is not interesting to me,sorry 826928;1410477452;asciilifeform;safe ? 826929;1410477462;asciilifeform;from what? 826930;1410477488;asciilifeform;waffen ss? red army ? 826931;1410477495;mircea_popescu;jurov hey, i don't mind, by all means, go ahead. 826932;1410477520;mircea_popescu;you're probably right, it's not looking all that good. 826933;1410477521;jurov;when public space is increasingly and inessantly inundated by conspirations 826934;1410477526;jurov;that won't end well 826935;1410477547;asciilifeform;ask the conspirators to quit conspiring. that'd have a chance of fixing. 826936;1410477549;mircea_popescu;time to split, unless you somehow discover some passion for one side or the other and a desire to go to shooting practice. 826937;1410477574;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform that's like asking girls aged 16ish to stop giggling. yeah, that's gonna happen 826938;1410477578;asciilifeform;lol 826939;1410477584;mircea_popescu;it's not their cunt asking for a tending that's driving the giggling behaviour. 826940;1410477593;ThickAsThieves;<+mike_c> tea leaves came up empty /// i guess i was probly only paying attention to price at the time, maybe that was the .5 zone, shortly after my comments it totally decoupled 826941;1410477599;mircea_popescu;it's just, you know... they'r ebored 826942;1410477766;asciilifeform;as the anglo empires get swept from the stage, the bantustans they created with heroic strokes of pencil will go away. arabian, soviet, wherever. 826943;1410477787;thestringpuller;;;ud bantustans 826944;1410477788;gribble;http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Bantustan | Literally: The Ghetto, the Worst of Urban Decay, the hardest of the hard hood. A bantustan (also known as black African homeland or simply homeland... 826945;1410477812;asciilifeform;if you're czech, slovak, pole - and don't relish idea of learning russian - better learn german. 826946;1410477815;asciilifeform;or chinese. 826947;1410477822;mike_c;da fuck with that atlantic article. i tried it in 3 browsers and it crashed them all. 826948;1410477823;thestringpuller;german is not bad 826949;1410477827;thestringpuller;chinese looks hard 826950;1410477840;jurov;there's difference between indigenous conspirations like www.universe-people.com and stuff did by state media 826951;1410477855;jurov;*done 826952;1410477861;jurov;and i'm done for today 826953;1410477865;jurov;later! 826954;1410477884;mircea_popescu;mike_c that's online media v3.0 826955;1410477888;asciilifeform;one of the more 'high tech' and interesting 'state media' tricks is to spray on a coating of 'conspiratorial Teflon' to an otherwise genuine piece of dirt 826956;1410477895;asciilifeform;so it doesn't stick to 'right thinking' heads. 826957;1410477906;mike_c;the atlantic is trying to steal my bitcoin 826958;1410477928;asciilifeform;!s crank bait 826959;1410477928;assbot;3 results for 'crank bait' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=crank+bait 826960;1410477954;ThickAsThieves;i like that the putin drawing is a scanned bar napkin or sumth 826961;1410477960;asciilifeform;today is, incidentally, favourite american holiday celebrating this gambit. 826962;1410477964;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform there's more to this than just that. i've had an intern puit a bunch of trilema articles in reddit, across dozens of different subreddits. NONE stick. they're all "wrong", then the complainants get laughed out, then the matter dies. 826963;1410477970;mircea_popescu;this teflon phenomenon is a lot deeper. 826964;1410478017;*;asciilifeform 's favourite subject in this class. 826965;1410478018;mircea_popescu;there's a long and growing list of things you can do to a text to make it completely inaccessibl for the "right thinking" person. 826966;1410478033;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: there are many applicable 'teflons.' 826967;1410478037;mircea_popescu;i mean, just a certain tone is enough, subtle subjective positioning is enough 826968;1410478061;mircea_popescu;"this thing is written as if the soviet party isn't legitimate" < o noes and enough. 826969;1410478081;mircea_popescu;by now right thinkingness has become an extremely intricate, delicately balanced piece of work 826970;1410478095;mircea_popescu;western confucianism. 826971;1410478104;asciilifeform;the example jurov (inadvertently) gave us - is instructive. someone succeeded in 'tefloning' the 'juvenile justice' thing before it entered his brain. 826972;1410478137;mircea_popescu;i'm still reeling over the realisation that someone, somewhere, thinks im pro russian. 826973;1410478139;asciilifeform;i doubt anyone could persuade him that phenomenon in question is not a barbaric libel by russian queer-haters. 826974;1410478321;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: the 'logic' presumably being, you must 'go with' the humans or the orcs, tertium non datur. 826975;1410478355;mircea_popescu;sucks for merlin, he who was here when each was born, and will be here to see them buried. 826976;1410478423;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7195 @ 0.00076108 = 5.476 BTC [-] {2} 826977;1410478474;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform anyway, for what it's worth, in my mind the correct approach to this problem is radical, corrosive antiteflon. 826978;1410478480;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: what document worth the mention could get any traction on 'reddit' (today's, not circa '07, say) ? 826979;1410478491;mircea_popescu;the more people saying nigger and proposing rape as a solution to minute problems, the less effectual this teflon process is. 826980;1410478517;mircea_popescu;it only works in the first place because of a very narrow overton window achieved over decades of lazy prosperity. 826981;1410478524;mircea_popescu;that needs to be broken, for general welfare. 826982;1410478554;mircea_popescu;giving in and being polite even to the slightest degree just feeds the nonsense. 826983;1410478573;mircea_popescu;in contemporary english, it is the duty of any thinking person to be as offensive as the context will carry. 826984;1410478624;ThickAsThieves;to what end? 826985;1410478636;mircea_popescu;freedom, of course. 826986;1410478640;asciilifeform;in the peanut gallery - they say whatever. 'new york times' - won't say 'rapigger'. 826987;1410478649;mircea_popescu;anyway, it's why i carry a lot of sympathy for BingoBoingo's legal troubles. 826988;1410478663;mircea_popescu;seems to me he instinctively applied the correct solution from perhaps an untenable position 826989;1410478710;asciilifeform;if correct solution could be applied from correct position - problem would be lying dead in a ditch, right along with a few thousand fellow problems, similarly perforated. 826990;1410478738;mircea_popescu;ThickAsThieves when you confront an organised enemy, your options are two. either beat him but preserve his tools, which locks you into ruling in his stead, or else beat him and destroy his tools, which locks you into rebuilding. 826991;1410478753;mircea_popescu;there's little worse fate than having to take over and continue using with the present tools. 826992;1410478757;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: limonov had a beautiful discussion of this. 826993;1410478765;ThickAsThieves;hmm 826994;1410478768;mircea_popescu; if correct solution could be applied from correct position << true. 826995;1410478806;ThickAsThieves;i'm not sure if i believe your ideal is more than fleetingly achieved 826996;1410478818;mircea_popescu;nor orgasm. 826997;1410478824;ThickAsThieves;heh 826998;1410478839;ThickAsThieves;i think of it like your movie idea and my ending 826999;1410478868;BingoBoingo;"Why do you think you can think?" 827000;1410479019;ThickAsThieves;fleeting is a lifetime for some, i guess that's good enough 827001;1410479136;asciilifeform;'Take a look in History, flip through her pages. The first action in revolutions of recent history -- the erection of barricades. They'll smash the cobble stones of the street, dig them out, and block off the road with them. They'll stop cars, buses, fill the street with bricks. And also they'll attack, plunder, raze, and put to the torch the city hall, administrative buildings, presidential palace, parliamen 827002;1410479136;asciilifeform;t, shops, warehouses. The crowd has - a correct instinct. It would like to destroy the city - the citadel of power of the political and economic kind - the root cause of its travails. The crowd is stopped in its tracks by those who have plans for the city hall, for the presidential palace. We will not stop the crowd.' (Limonov, 'The Other Russia.') - translation mine. 827003;1410479194;mircea_popescu;the interesting thing here is that no longer is the city hall the seat of power. the irc channel is the seat of power. 827004;1410479209;mircea_popescu;which means long supressed passion will finally prevail, in a razing of city halls the world has never seen 827005;1410479221;mircea_popescu;perhaps not since the razing of ur 827006;1410479310;mircea_popescu;the bloodiest massacre in human history, a million or so killed over a few weeks. 827007;1410479329;mircea_popescu;a million before the fiat inflation of human population, back when they still had hard people, and a limited supply worldwide 827008;1410480022;penguirker;New blog post: http://trilema.com/2014/lets-translate-a-little-rinduieli-de-marin-sorescu/ 827009;1410480392;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: 'Rinduieli' ~= (arabic) 'adat' ? 827010;1410480426;mircea_popescu;that's datina datini, belive it or not. 827011;1410480436;asciilifeform;понÑтиÑ. 827012;1410480454;mircea_popescu;the difference'd be rinduieli can be rationally defended, datini are not. 827013;1410480485;mircea_popescu;yeah pony is closer 827014;1410480492;mircea_popescu;actually it's just about exactly it. 827015;1410480505;asciilifeform;therewego, cooking with gas. 827016;1410480506;mircea_popescu;http://33.media.tumblr.com/482efd86111bd9cfe13ee302465639de/tumblr_mz1uqaPhkc1r87wz9o1_1280.jpg << and the spark of life. 827017;1410480534;asciilifeform;lol! 827018;1410480544;asciilifeform;is that a 'B' battery ? 827019;1410480560;asciilifeform;and nice lathework. respekt. 827020;1410480620;mircea_popescu;obviously a lot of blood, sweat and tears went into that. 827021;1410480642;asciilifeform;own work ? 827022;1410480645;mircea_popescu;a no. 827023;1410480752;asciilifeform;on 2nd look, the blue cylindrical object is a dc motor. 827024;1410480768;asciilifeform;rotor on bottom, to the right of the lead-screw 827025;1410480788;asciilifeform;presumably strikes it mid-way through rotation 827026;1410480830;asciilifeform;or rather, motor only engages when the little rotor touches the screw 827027;1410480840;asciilifeform;a la old-fashioned school bell. 827028;1410480862;asciilifeform;to start apparatus, it is presumably given a small clockwise twist while current applied. 827029;1410480883;asciilifeform;wing nut on lead screw - obviously - sets depth. 827030;1410480945;mircea_popescu;http://38.media.tumblr.com/db9cc5b867a112993e0f818b7359b3d1/tumblr_mw1zrmojRM1s9tujho1_500.png 827031;1410480961;asciilifeform;oubliette! 827032;1410480986;*;asciilifeform is quite confident in the reverse-engineered scheme above. 827033;1410481021;asciilifeform;except - object on upper side of motor is a commutator. 827034;1410481026;asciilifeform;so, no twist start needed. 827035;1410481032;asciilifeform;goes merrily buzzing on power-up. 827036;1410481047;mircea_popescu;a well designed little apparatus. 827037;1410481062;asciilifeform;the fellow who built it may or may not have been a tattooist in russian prison. 827038;1410481068;asciilifeform;typical scheme of apparatus used there. 827039;1410481077;mircea_popescu;just about. 827040;1410481095;mircea_popescu;http://38.media.tumblr.com/f26ac8f8aaa82ec58ed70e3976dfe457/tumblr_mvqutdrHlR1sq388oo1_400.gif << and here's stoya, doing what she does (ie, setting the mark for performance) 827041;1410481134;*;asciilifeform wonders - anyone else awake? and had alternate interpretation of gadget pictured earlier? 827042;1410481180;mircea_popescu;if previously awake - now busy. 827043;1410481185;asciilifeform;lol 827044;1410481186;mircea_popescu;speaking of which... brb 827045;1410481412;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26200 @ 0.00075973 = 19.9049 BTC [-] 827046;1410481775;thestringpuller;asciilifeform: do you think there is a way to have an externally chargeable battery as "save" battery on video game cartridges 827047;1410481788;asciilifeform;thestringpuller: as described earlier 827048;1410481821;asciilifeform;thestringpuller: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=07-09-2014#821825 827049;1410481823;assbot;Logged on 07-09-2014 18:52:57; asciilifeform: it doesn't have to be a coin cell, either. can attach one of, say, these - http://www.ictradenet.com/models_pic/BH2AA-W.jpg - to outside of cartridge. drill a hole, attach terminals to correct spots. won't win any beauty contests, but will work. 827050;1410481823;thestringpuller;so external ports long with the leads? I'm not well versed in electrical engineering unfortunately. 827051;1410481852;asciilifeform;snip off original battery holder, note where '+' and '-' were. 827052;1410481870;thestringpuller;as long as same voltage etc.? 827053;1410481879;asciilifeform;solder red lead from battery box to '+', black to '-'. first thread wires through hole in chassic (electric drill) 827054;1410481897;asciilifeform;origial was 'cr2032' ? 827055;1410481906;asciilifeform;*original 827056;1410481930;thestringpuller;yes. most probably unless this specific cartridge was an outlier. 827057;1410481960;asciilifeform;use two lithium (specifically) aa batteries in a common series holder (as pictured.) 827058;1410481971;thestringpuller;i'm terrified of modifying because this is a cartridge that appreciates in value due to rarity or something 827059;1410482033;asciilifeform;if kept as collectible - seal it in a bag under nitrogen, why would you play it. 827060;1410482043;thestringpuller;LOL 827061;1410482048;thestringpuller;you speak truth 827062;1410482080;thestringpuller;i should just buy a Wii-U and get the downloadable version to play for 15 bucks 827063;1410482091;thestringpuller;seal the original cart in a bag 827064;1410482266;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29400 @ 0.00075917 = 22.3196 BTC [-] {3} 827065;1410483223;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: 'muiere' ~= engl. 'give head' ? 827066;1410483381;penguirker;New blog post: http://www.bcoinnews.com/localbitcoins-making-bitcoin-easier/ 827067;1410483547;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 4 @ 0.17417502 = 0.6967 BTC [-] {4} 827068;1410483608;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 5 @ 0.17154857 = 0.8577 BTC [-] {4} 827069;1410484515;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform it just means woman. most speakers wouldn't notice the relation and im probably going to get inundated with hatemail in the morn 827070;1410484524;asciilifeform;lulz 827071;1410484538;mircea_popescu;it's an older term, mostly disused, ever so slightly derrogatory. 827072;1410484552;mircea_popescu;it's vulgar latin, from mulieris. 827073;1410484651;mircea_popescu;suppoisedly sucking cock (a da [la] muie, contracted to muie) comes from gypsy language, where muie means mouth. 827074;1410484669;mircea_popescu;but this distinction is you know, what you make of it. 827075;1410484735;mircea_popescu;the notion that romanian borrowed anything whatsoever from romales is beyond ridiculous anyway. maybe took back whatever the gypos stole at some point, and that at the very most. 827076;1410484972;asciilifeform;http://www.loper-os.org/?p=1490&cpage=1#comment-16768 << great masters of not-getting-the-point, at work 827077;1410484974;assbot;Loper OS » Practical Blockchain Telegraphy. 827078;1410485613;kakobrekla;!s SHOUTOUT TO #BITCOIN-ASSETS 827079;1410485613;assbot;1 results for 'SHOUTOUT TO #BITCOIN-ASSETS' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=SHOUTOUT+TO+%23BITCOIN-ASSETS 827080;1410485666;kakobrekla;now 3. 827081;1410485837;punkman;I was playing a bit at moneypot.com (dice thingy), then I saw this: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=709185.msg8776834#msg8776834 827082;1410485838;assbot;MoneyPot.com -- The Social Gambling Game 827083;1410485868;punkman;is this a scam? "Look there's a fucking system!" 827084;1410486536;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [HASH] 1083 @ 0.00141329 = 1.5306 BTC [-] {4} 827085;1410486640;cazalla;damn, moneypot hooks you instantly 827086;1410488855;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.17999999 = 0.54 BTC [+] 827087;1410489081;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform using addresses to encode satisfies your criteria, it doesn't have to be amounts 827088;1410489092;mircea_popescu;which is why the b-a deeds system will use addresses rather than amounts. 827089;1410489103;asciilifeform;need certain amounts to avoid getting dust-collected. 827090;1410489113;mircea_popescu;hm? 827091;1410489123;asciilifeform;can't send nil 827092;1410489135;mircea_popescu;sure, gotta send some btc. 827093;1410489136;asciilifeform;or less than $dust lower bound 827094;1410489175;asciilifeform;plus programmatic generation of addrs with reasonably-secure private keys is gnarly. 827095;1410489184;asciilifeform;(you want the privates if you want the recycling-loop.) 827096;1410489227;asciilifeform;*usefully encoded addrs with reasonably secure privates 827097;1410489309;mircea_popescu;sure, its not free. 827098;1410489337;asciilifeform;my understanding is that for your application, the payload is very small, and 'shooting coin into the sun' in an open loop system - suffices. 827099;1410489355;asciilifeform;(garbage dest. address) 827100;1410489401;mircea_popescu;it's not clear that wasting the tx fees for a very narrow space (ie, the amt) is actually cheaper than wasting the min tx for wider space (the address 827101;1410489435;mircea_popescu;but anyway, a discussion for other times! 827102;1410489445;asciilifeform;when blasting into garbage addr, still have to include fee 827103;1410489451;asciilifeform;so necessarily - costlier. 827104;1410489468;asciilifeform;but yes, wider space... 827105;1410489477;*;asciilifeform doesn't give enough of a damn to crunch the numbers 827106;1410489483;mircea_popescu;makes 2 of us :) 827107;1410489673;asciilifeform;one caveat with using addresses - 'decoder' must not rely on the garbage addr's balance never moving on own volition. one might, at any time, end up producing an addr to which someone has a key. 827108;1410489716;mircea_popescu;kinda the idea, yea. 827109;1410489723;mircea_popescu;anyway, tomorrow! 827110;1410490569;TheNewDeal;;;nethash 827111;1410490570;gribble;217919029.299 827112;1410490788;TheNewDeal;;;bc,stats 827113;1410490791;gribble;Current Blocks: 320252 | Current Difficulty: 2.7428630902257874E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 320543 | Next Difficulty In: 291 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 day, 16 hours, 36 minutes, and 16 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 29479555603.0 | Estimated Percent Change: 7.47731 827114;1410491101;ben_vulpes;evening gang 827115;1410491148;ben_vulpes;just woke up from the post bang nap 827116;1410491160;ben_vulpes;awwww missed le popescu@ 827117;1410491239;TheNewDeal;how was the bang nap? 827118;1410491246;ben_vulpes;restorative 827119;1410491254;TheNewDeal;and the post bang nap? 827120;1410491270;ben_vulpes;ho ho ho 827121;1410491273;TheNewDeal;:D 827122;1410491281;TheNewDeal;!up decimation 827123;1410491290;ben_vulpes;clever boy u 827124;1410491308;decimation;heh thanks 827125;1410491333;TheNewDeal;everybody gets one 827126;1410491454;ben_vulpes;man 827127;1410491457;ben_vulpes;condoms 827128;1410491457;ben_vulpes;wtf 827129;1410491489;ben_vulpes;now i reek of latex 827130;1410491557;ben_vulpes; ...and django, and uwsgi, and $crap << hey have you ever done anything with uwsgi or gunicorn as a dev server? 827131;1410491565;decimation;asciilifeform: I ordered a tcxo version of that gps timing module from some junk dealer in shenzhen http://www.ebay.com/itm/NEO-7N-Flight-Controller-GPS-Module-with-3-Axis-Compass-Pixhawk-APM-2-6-e-/281404421897?pt=Vintage_Electronics_R2&hash=item418502b709 827132;1410491567;assbot;Neo 7N Flight Controller GPS Module with 3 Axis Compass Pixhawk apm 2 6 E | eBay 827133;1410491581;ben_vulpes;i want to close the gap between traditional django dev with the mangy pie runderper 827134;1410491606;ben_vulpes;and production with nginx/apache | gunicorn/uwsgi | piecrap 827135;1410491644;decimation;ben_vulpes: is apache dead to the cool web 2.0 kids these days? 827136;1410491652;ben_vulpes;uh apche's fine 827137;1410491667;ben_vulpes;ape cheese 827138;1410491685;decimation;seems to me that the list of alternatives is growing 827139;1410491696;ben_vulpes;what else is one to do when the application layer server authors say retarded shit like 827140;1410491721;ben_vulpes;"THIS IS NOT A WEB SERVER PLEAZE FOAR TO HIDE BEHIND APACHE OAR NGINX PROXY PASS" 827141;1410491740;ben_vulpes;dude 827142;1410491744;ben_vulpes;http ain't so hard 827143;1410491771;ben_vulpes;you want complicated stupid broken and fucked up beyond all reason? come hang with the asseteers 827144;1410491793;ben_vulpes;the go situation doesn't even have a production ready wallet 827145;1410491810;decimation;why is it "popular" then? 827146;1410491821;ben_vulpes;apache or nginx? 827147;1410491829;decimation;well, 'go' 827148;1410491835;ben_vulpes;oh 827149;1410491842;ben_vulpes;static types, adequately lispy 827150;1410491851;ben_vulpes;not "which" python 827151;1410491858;ben_vulpes;("which") 827152;1410492039;mike_c;http is kinda hard. you're exposing yourself to untrusted input from the wild 827153;1410492067;decimation;not if you serve static pages 827154;1410492075;mike_c;sure you are 827155;1410492086;mike_c;still gotta process the http request. 827156;1410492100;decimation;true, but the universe of possible responses is greatly restricted 827157;1410492124;ben_vulpes;http://www.complang.org/ragel 827158;1410492125;assbot;Ragel State Machine Compiler 827159;1410492132;mike_c;more like shit that can go wrong while making sense of the request itself. grep nginx changelogs for the last four years for plentiful examples 827160;1410492136;ben_vulpes;first, you must state machine. 827161;1410492169;decimation;neat ben_vulpes 827162;1410492179;ben_vulpes;ragel is bees knees 827163;1410492194;decimation;in general protocols are the devil 827164;1410492207;mike_c;i like hiding behind nginx. igor is smart. 827165;1410492209;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13885 @ 0.00075866 = 10.534 BTC [-] 827166;1410492214;decimation;even TCP is devilish 827167;1410492218;ben_vulpes;those russians 827168;1410492232;ben_vulpes;i heard a rumor that nginx has 0% test coverage 827169;1410492237;ben_vulpes;and builds are shipped around as tarballs 827170;1410492251;decimation;I like the idea of sending a single udp packet as a request and receiving a stream of udp packets in reply 827171;1410492268;mike_c;i printed out the source code 3 years ago and i retype it into each server i want to run nginx on to ensure no problems. 827172;1410492318;ben_vulpes;when i was 14 i talked my cs teacher into letting me use the first chapter of text from cryptonomicon as my wpm benchmark 827173;1410492327;ben_vulpes;'cs' 827174;1410492330;decimation;lol 827175;1410492486;ben_vulpes;i think ithat i broke 140 827176;1410492526;ben_vulpes;which, as others have said, "i don't care about how many characters per minute my programmers can type, but whether they type the *right* characters" 827177;1410492531;asciilifeform;gps box << curious, why ? 827178;1410492565;decimation;asciilifeform: for poor man's lab reference, for some rf experiments 827179;1410492595;asciilifeform;decimation: lab reference of what? 827180;1410492612;asciilifeform;decimation: you don't get any magical enhancement of short-term clock stability that way. 827181;1410492625;decimation;the device can be commanded to output pulses at arbitrary frequencies 827182;1410492630;asciilifeform;sure. 827183;1410492664;decimation;which is why I got the tcxo option. the real solution would be to use it to long-term discipline an oxco 827184;1410492737;decimation;it would be nice to have a 1pps output for time-tagging too 827185;1410492757;ben_vulpes; http://33.media.tumblr.com/7acf8dba23117cd363e41e8f5d25581c/tumblr_mzo97lKriP1rhup7qo1_400.gif someone said something of pronz. << sauce? 827186;1410492863;decimation;as for the short-term stability, I want to measure the phase noise with a proper lab instrument 827187;1410492903;asciilifeform;decimation: get an Rb oscillator on 'ebay' or the like. 827188;1410493130;asciilifeform;!up decimation 827189;1410493137;decimation;asciilifeform: yeah that would be an even better solution. One could use my gps module to correct the long-term frequency variation of Rb oscillator 827190;1410494164;BingoBoingo;http://deadspin.com/giancarlo-stanton-removed-on-stretcher-after-fastball-t-1633816961 827191;1410494164;assbot;Giancarlo Stanton Removed On Stretcher After Fastball To The Face 827192;1410494584;BingoBoingo;http://bitbet.us/bet/882/giancarlo-stanton-wins-nl-mvp/ 827193;1410494584;assbot;BitBet - Giancarlo Stanton wins NL MVP :: 0.08 B (35%) on Yes, 0.15 B (65%) on No | closed 1 week 5 days ago 827194;1410494655;BingoBoingo;;;bc,stats 827195;1410494658;gribble;Current Blocks: 320259 | Current Difficulty: 2.7428630902257874E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 320543 | Next Difficulty In: 284 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 day, 15 hours, 10 minutes, and 20 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 29494409676.4 | Estimated Percent Change: 7.53147 827196;1410494951;xmj;ben_vulpes: hey. 827197;1410494998;xmj;ben_vulpes: My Dev environment here on this laptop consists of NGINX, some php-fpm, some apache/mod_php, uwsgi and even some manage.py runserver (all at the same time) 827198;1410495023;xmj;ben_vulpes: this setup is a bit ... shall we call it legacy inspired. But yes. NGINX and uwsgi <3 it works. 827199;1410495101;xmj;ben_vulpes: fwiw, I much prefer nginx to apache. saner configuration, much faster speed -by default. 827200;1410500020;artifexd;!s deeds 827201;1410500021;assbot;62 results for 'deeds' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=deeds 827202;1410500398;xmj;fluffypony: do let me know if I can help you with that bitmonero port today 827203;1410501360;fluffypony;xmj: please do 827204;1410501491;xmj;er 827205;1410501508;xmj;fluffypony: do please let me know HOW I can help you with that bitmonero port today 827206;1410501518;fluffypony;lol 827207;1410501587;fluffypony;you can create the port...since it compiles out the box it shouldn't need anything except fancy except pkg-descr, which I have already done 827208;1410501607;fluffypony;I can give you a list of deps 827209;1410503668;xmj;well, the idea is that you maintain the port and then get infected by the maintainership virus. 827210;1410503672;xmj;heh. 827211;1410503688;fluffypony;lol 827212;1410503696;fluffypony;hold that thought, I need to eat something 827213;1410503921;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1650 @ 0.00075897 = 1.2523 BTC [+] {2} 827214;1410506300;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 4 @ 0.19989999 = 0.7996 BTC [+] {2} 827215;1410506966;xmj;fluffypony: sure 827216;1410506972;*;xmj runnig errands 827217;1410510951;RagnarDanneskjol;http://link.springer.com/chapter/10.1007/978-3-319-11851-2_5#page-1 827218;1410510951;assbot;BlueWallet: The Secure Bitcoin Wallet - Springer 827219;1410511954;fluffypony;oh this is cool 827220;1410511955;fluffypony;https://code.google.com/p/corkami/source/detail?r=1906 827221;1410511955;assbot;r1906 - corkami - Reverse engineering & visual documentations - Google Project Hosting 827222;1410511973;RagnarDanneskjol;ooh 827223;1410512186;RagnarDanneskjol;!s corkami 827224;1410512187;assbot;2 results for 'corkami' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=corkami 827225;1410512212;RagnarDanneskjol;thought it looked familiar 827226;1410512579;fluffypony;yeah just a pity that they use Google Code 827227;1410512587;fluffypony;makes me feel like its 2005 all over again 827228;1410512872;RagnarDanneskjol;ha. yea googl code blows 827229;1410515757;Vexual;mech kittehz poised 827230;1410515772;Vexual;serpentine eyes entombed in shell 827231;1410515783;Vexual;i can't believe it's not haiku 827232;1410515789;Vexual;;;laserkittens 827233;1410515789;gribble;ุ â‚Ë„.͡˳̫.Ë„â‚Ž ุ ┌┠┄ ┄ ┄ ┄ ┄ ┄ *pew* 827234;1410516731;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 1276 @ 0.00054999 = 0.7018 BTC [-] {3} 827235;1410516790;Vexual;ascii: choice of materials on this device indicate it might measure and or deliver potential when fully optioned 827236;1410517367;Vexual;!up nubbins` 827237;1410517946;Vexual;!up Namworld you're up early 827238;1410518574;Namworld;Yeah, I get up early now. 827239;1410518615;Vexual;more power 827240;1410518649;Namworld;Eh, not really. Day is the same lenght, regardless of sleeping hours 827241;1410518753;Vexual;yeah that too 827242;1410519267;jurov; ... russian queer-haters. << that's perfect definition of moscow orthodox church, thanks 827243;1410519913;RagnarDanneskjol;!up Namworld 827244;1410522709;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes: just woke up from the post bang nap << gangbang ? pics ? 827245;1410522801;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes: not "which" python << lol you hear that zing asciilifeform ? 827246;1410522862;mircea_popescu;mike_c: more like shit that can go wrong while making sense of the request itself. grep nginx changelogs for the last four years for plentiful examples << but not the same can be said of apache, because those 4 years are in 1988, and consequently not on the "internet". which makes the point about "newer is better" in spades. 827247;1410522907;mircea_popescu;also mike, sometime do some anal on the correlation between s.mpoe and http://stats.bitcoin-assets.com/ another fucking random variable right there 827248;1410522907;assbot;#bitcoin-assets stats 827249;1410522965;mircea_popescu;mike_c: i printed out the source code 3 years ago and i retype it into each server i want to run nginx on to ensure no problems. << laugh all oyu will but when i was a kid this was exactly how you did it. 827250;1410523052;mircea_popescu;http://33.media.tumblr.com/6836b6d0201ddcc9f42aedb1c10779fd/tumblr_mmtic3HdIk1qb5ov1o1_500.gif << this is not safe to watch. 827251;1410523147;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo: http://deadspin << why not comment on bitbet ? 827252;1410523955;mircea_popescu;"If no one comes from the future to stop you from doing it, then how bad of a decision can it really be?" 827253;1410523958;mircea_popescu;lol 827254;1410526545;mircea_popescu;lmao romanians are total fuckwits. so : in 2008, the pressure on local journalism university programmes was 6-7 teenagers per place. five years later, two thirds of local media outlets went out of business, aggregate local media audience dropped to a third (not by a third!) and virtually all professional journalists that were clueless enough to have been left started streetwalking on the side. 827255;1410526564;mircea_popescu;the result ? pressure increased to 8 kids per place. 827256;1410526979;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12350 @ 0.00075826 = 9.3645 BTC [-] 827257;1410527832;mircea_popescu;!up chalbersma 827258;1410529604;mircea_popescu;!up guntha 827259;1410529952;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: I was hoping some people might try to guess the extent of the injuries. I dun think this late in the season it really affects his MVP chances. Dude has a solid lead on that. 827260;1410530075;mircea_popescu;o, actually ? 827261;1410530084;mircea_popescu;i'm iiignorant, i thought it was the kiss o' death 827262;1410530114;rithm;one thing i've always disliked about xchat (or my setup) is that it doesn't log nick highlights 827263;1410530136;BingoBoingo;Well there isn't much season left and he's been that dominant. Prolly out until next year at least though. Lacerations, broken bones, broken teeth reported this morning... 827264;1410530138;rithm;my channel status changes, but i have to search the buffer and I'm too lazy for that 827265;1410530181;BingoBoingo;If it would have happened last month he'd be out of the race. Happening this month... Prolly too late to derail. 827266;1410530234;mircea_popescu;what do you mean doesn't log them 827267;1410530264;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo is mvp a purely technical measurement like batting average or is it a voted/popularity contest ? 827268;1410530363;BingoBoingo;It's a voted thing the people with the best measurements usually win, but some years it gets controversial 827269;1410530405;BingoBoingo;Usually it is the guys with better numbers beating popular guys 827270;1410530407;mircea_popescu;well in that case injury after solid performance is by far the best he could do 827271;1410530416;mircea_popescu;better than sustained solid performance even 827272;1410530424;BingoBoingo;Seems so. 827273;1410530638;punkman;possible namecheap alternative: https://www.namesilo.com/ 827274;1410530716;punkman;looks decent, no design derpage 827275;1410530820;BingoBoingo;It seems like with Stanton's lead in the Home Run race, he could still finish the season with the most. 827276;1410531004;BingoBoingo;http://undeadly.org/cgi?action=article&sid=20140912072316 827277;1410531005;assbot;Energy-efficient bcrypt cracking 827278;1410531120;ThickAsThieves;http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/09/12/us-usa-bitcoin-cftc-idUSKBN0H71FU20140912 827279;1410531120;assbot;Bitcoin gets boost as U.S. watchdog approves first swap| Reuters 827280;1410531263;penguirker;New blog post: http://contravex.com/2014/09/12/architecture-in-riga/ 827281;1410531334;mircea_popescu;ThickAsThieves myeah. 827282;1410531347;ThickAsThieves;http://i.imgur.com/17rR3VI.jpg 827283;1410531412;mircea_popescu;ahahahaha no wai 827284;1410531547;mod6;hahah 827285;1410531685;penguirker;New blog post: http://www.feedyes.com/premium.php 827286;1410531686;penguirker;New blog post: http://www.feedyes.com 827287;1410531906;pete_dushenski;howdy! 827288;1410532024;pete_dushenski;logging up for 2 days ago... 827289;1410532038;RagnarDanneskjol;hiya pete - how goes the trip 827290;1410532080;pete_dushenski;heya RagnarDanneskjol! back home safe and sound now. 827291;1410532088;pete_dushenski;trip was just right 827292;1410532098;pete_dushenski;not too big, not too small 827293;1410532129;RagnarDanneskjol;nice - a little travel can go a long way if done right 827294;1410532186;pete_dushenski;mhm 827295;1410532219;mircea_popescu;hey pete 827296;1410532269;pete_dushenski;hey mircea_popescu 827297;1410532285;pete_dushenski;how goes the battle? 827298;1410532310;rithm;dj battle, rap battle, dance crew battle? 827299;1410532335;pete_dushenski;nubbins`: Raymonds Restaurant << colour me intrigued! 827300;1410532375;mircea_popescu;pete_dushenski great lol, reading the ro derpage of some guy explaining everyone how trilema is dead because "it has no comments" 827301;1410532391;mircea_popescu;it's funny to contemplate how many doods hate me, and for what endless sort of terms. 827302;1410532402;mircea_popescu;!up PeterL__ 827303;1410532431;pete_dushenski;mircea_popescu: sounds like a blast :) 827304;1410532447;PeterL__;don't mind me, just lurking 827305;1410532451;mircea_popescu;lurk away. 827306;1410532453;pete_dushenski;considering that i can think of few personal blogs with more comments... 827307;1410532489;mircea_popescu;pete_dushenski dude is giving himself as an example. the funny thing is that wordpress has a comment index, trilema is over 100k, his blog was 5k, but hey. HE rules. 827308;1410532524;mircea_popescu;anyway, yes, im entertained. and riga looks great, nobody thinks of it as a vacation destination, but i don't recall ever hating it there. 827309;1410532578;pete_dushenski;common question upon return: 827310;1410532583;pete_dushenski;"why latvia?" 827311;1410532587;xmj;pete_dushenski: why not? 827312;1410532597;pete_dushenski;answer: "because i hadn't been there" 827313;1410532604;xmj;that sounds like me. 827314;1410532613;mircea_popescu;well yeah, they all want to go to ibiza, because "everyne goes there" 827315;1410532633;pete_dushenski;plus, legal prostitution, eu standard of living, cheaper than west/central eu 827316;1410532635;mircea_popescu;you know where everyone really goes ? to the fucking toilet. what reason to pick a vacation in the bathroom is that! 827317;1410532688;pete_dushenski;everyone here goes to vegas, mexico, etc. just to get pissed 827318;1410532715;pete_dushenski;thailand too, i suppose 827319;1410532751;pete_dushenski;but that's not even just the kids, most "adults" from here as well 827320;1410532796;pete_dushenski;but there's enough immigrants here that there's some worldliness if you look for it 827321;1410532817;pete_dushenski;mircea_popescu: and yes, the bathroom is "#1 hotspot" 827322;1410532844;pete_dushenski;and ty to mircea_popescu and ThickAsThieves for the kind comments :) 827323;1410532903;mircea_popescu;pete_dushenski seriously tho, that's when it begins, when the blog's a tool of self expression. 827324;1410532919;mircea_popescu;"here's how i'd say this, here's how i'd write this, and here's how i'd blog this" 827325;1410532988;pete_dushenski;hm yes, that rings true 827326;1410533176;pete_dushenski;mircea_popescu: jesus canucks are tought. << lol at least the ones here 827327;1410533195;mircea_popescu;!up ziggla 827328;1410533217;mircea_popescu;pete_dushenski you got you work cut for you now, what is it, 5 days of logs ? 827329;1410533231;ziggla;thanks mirc 827330;1410533262;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23400 @ 0.00076334 = 17.8622 BTC [+] 827331;1410533282;pete_dushenski;mircea_popescu: i was keeping up until the 16 hours of flights and subsequent catching up with people/work 827332;1410533287;pete_dushenski;on the 10th nao 827333;1410533292;mircea_popescu;a not so bad 827334;1410533296;mircea_popescu;ziggla sure. who're you ? 827335;1410533319;ziggla;a bitbet user 827336;1410533321;ziggla;who are you? 827337;1410533346;mircea_popescu;a bitbet owner. 827338;1410533354;ziggla;ha ok 827339;1410533355;ThickAsThieves;heh 827340;1410533365;mircea_popescu;lol i'm going to die as the lord of repartee 827341;1410533371;ThickAsThieves;dealer meets user 827342;1410533393;ziggla;maybe you can clarify something for me 827343;1410533399;mircea_popescu;shoot 827344;1410533402;ziggla;i'm confused about this silk road bet 827345;1410533405;ziggla;when do we find out? 827346;1410533422;ThickAsThieves;never it seems 827347;1410533429;mircea_popescu;a that sore spot. well ideally we find out once the usg finally and publicly admits to having been owned, painfully and humiliatingly. 827348;1410533456;ziggla;lol 827349;1410533467;ThickAsThieves;see you shoulda just let me make the schrodinger bet 827350;1410533473;ThickAsThieves;at least that wouldve resolved 827351;1410533491;ziggla;when will they admit? 827352;1410533491;mircea_popescu;but unideally, i will just unilaterally decide one side, and that will be what happened, 827353;1410533500;mircea_popescu;irrespective of what the usg may falsely or accurately claim afterwards. 827354;1410533518;ziggla;you will just decide? 827355;1410533534;mircea_popescu;yea. 827356;1410533541;ziggla;why don't you just cancel the whole thing if we don't find out? 827357;1410533548;ziggla;seems like a big risk 827358;1410533549;mircea_popescu;because the bet exists. 827359;1410533557;mircea_popescu;the risk exists, but it lies with the usg. 827360;1410533566;mircea_popescu;if it doesn't want to have to lie later, it better tell the truth now. 827361;1410533581;ziggla;i don't get it 827362;1410533584;ziggla;what would it lie about/? 827363;1410533590;mircea_popescu;what price it sold the btc. 827364;1410533603;mircea_popescu;after i make a decision, if their claims contradict that decision... they're lieing. 827365;1410533605;ThickAsThieves;ziggla needs to know your version of the truth here 827366;1410533611;ziggla;but i don't see the purpose of them lying 827367;1410533611;mircea_popescu;well i don't have one. 827368;1410533620;mircea_popescu;last fucking thing i want is to play the oracle for bureaucracies 827369;1410533628;mircea_popescu;ziggla that's kinda what they do, tbh. 827370;1410533637;ziggla;ha 827371;1410533646;ThickAsThieves;<+ziggla> but i don't see the purpose of them lying /// are you like 11yo? 827372;1410533656;pete_dushenski;mircea_popescu: can you normally tell what's wrong with you, if something's wrong, and what food item was the cause, if you're sick ? << hilarious when people get food poisoning, blame it on last meal they ate, ignorant of bacteria with >1 week incubation periods (e. coli, listeria, etc.) 827373;1410533669;mircea_popescu;anyway, what's the purpose of not publishing it afterwards ? after all that lead-up and promissory behaviour, o noes, we will ruin btc lalal. 827374;1410533692;ThickAsThieves;there's always a purpose to lying 827375;1410533693;mircea_popescu;pete_dushenski if you stfu and listen to your body, you can generally tell. 827376;1410533694;pete_dushenski;and that they probably cross-contaminated something at home or at friend's house, not restaurant. 827377;1410533701;ThickAsThieves;and always a lie to tell 827378;1410533703;ziggla;seems easiest to not play oracle if you don't have to make any decisions about your thoughts of the usg if the bet is just cancelled 827379;1410533722;mircea_popescu;ziggla the difference is that you perceive this theoretical 3rd way, of "cancelling bets". i don't. 827380;1410533742;pete_dushenski;mircea_popescu: perhaps you can, perhaps i can, perhaps other cannot 827381;1410533755;mircea_popescu;pete_dushenski it definitely doesn't work 100%, sure. 827382;1410533781;ziggla;i'm sure bets have been cancelled on bitbet before 827383;1410533785;pete_dushenski;mircea_popescu: people just wanna blame someone or something else anyways, eg. the joo 827384;1410533795;ThickAsThieves;bets have been cancelled 827385;1410533797;ThickAsThieves;rare tho 827386;1410533802;mircea_popescu;ziggla not that many, and not usually in a contention. 827387;1410533813;mircea_popescu;generally a bet gets cancelled early on, cause w/e, it was miswritten 827388;1410533816;PeterL__;didn't somebody submit a foia request for the price? have they still not heard back? 827389;1410533827;mircea_popescu;but there's a legitimate contention here, no way to cancel. 827390;1410533838;mircea_popescu;PeterL__ multiple people. the 30 day term has been exceeded. by 50+ days. 827391;1410533840;ThickAsThieves;the USMS acknowledged they have had many public inquiries as to the info 827392;1410533851;ThickAsThieves;and said theyd give a statement early Aug 827393;1410533854;ThickAsThieves;that never happened 827394;1410533854;ziggla;yes, so we wait for them to release this info 827395;1410533858;ziggla;but they haven't 827396;1410533863;ziggla;just wonderring how long we wait 827397;1410533864;PeterL__;rules are for the peons 827398;1410533868;mircea_popescu;ziggla can't wait forever, obviously. but the alternative is imo worse. 827399;1410533873;ThickAsThieves;so now a few people have FOIA requests pending 827400;1410533902;ThickAsThieves;as you can see with the latet NYDFS update 827401;1410533904;ThickAsThieves;, 827402;1410533906;ziggla;it's pretty easy to cancel imo 827403;1410533910;mircea_popescu;PeterL__ it's funny you know because they walked right into it, they were all "o we hve a pr stragety, here's how we'll crush bitcoin's image lalal" 827404;1410533915;ThickAsThieves;USG isnt really giving info feedback on bitcoin anything 827405;1410533926;ziggla;sorry folks, this bet is unresolvable. usg won't release the info. it has been 3 months. we will refund the bets. 827406;1410533929;ziggla;seems easy enough 827407;1410533937;ThickAsThieves;it is resolvable 827408;1410533944;mircea_popescu;ziggla well in that sense driving into the wall is easy, just turn the weel and push the gas. 827409;1410533948;ThickAsThieves;it is merely unresolved 827410;1410533950;mircea_popescu;running a business doing that is a lot harder 827411;1410533951;PeterL__;reminds me of interacting with the IRS "Please submit this info within 3 days or else huge fine, expect a response in 12-16 weeks, maybe" 827412;1410533970;ThickAsThieves;yeah pretty much 827413;1410533975;ziggla;yes, it is resolvable. i wish the USG would just cooperate so we can know 827414;1410533979;mircea_popescu;PeterL__ i still regret no judge made their email thing precendent. "from now on, an y taxpayer may just pretend they lost the emails" 827415;1410533989;ThickAsThieves;NYDFS needs 3mos to fabricate the bitcoin research they said they already did 827416;1410533989;mircea_popescu;ziggla makes 2 of us 827417;1410533992;mircea_popescu;or whatever, 50 million 827418;1410534011;ThickAsThieves;USMS needs more apparently to fabricate a reality where whatever story they give about the auction will seem true 827419;1410534050;mircea_popescu;personally, i'm waiting for the drama bubble to pop. 827420;1410534062;ThickAsThieves;drama bubble? 827421;1410534070;mircea_popescu;very good drama in the whole auction thing. lots and lots. 827422;1410534079;mircea_popescu;just need someone to get it together and leak the emails and sutff already 827423;1410534086;ThickAsThieves;dont the losers deserve to know? 827424;1410534090;mircea_popescu;totally. 827425;1410534095;ziggla;mircea, just curious what you think the price was in case you decide to resolve the bet rather than an official release from USMS 827426;1410534101;ziggla;i'd like to know if i stand to win or not 827427;1410534115;ziggla;i also don't agree with that methodology either way 827428;1410534117;mircea_popescu;ziggla i have nfi yet. i deliberately avoided the topic, because why prejudge 827429;1410534121;ziggla;justc curious 827430;1410534156;mircea_popescu;anyway, if you're curiuous re precedent, the bfl scammers put 500 btc on a delivery bet early on in bitbet's history 827431;1410534164;ThickAsThieves;i used to be sure he overpaid, but he was so fukn tightlipped to every direct question on the price 827432;1410534168;mircea_popescu;then they failed to deliver but tried to claim that "it's unresolvable" 827433;1410534193;mircea_popescu;some scamsites working with them to help them skewer noobs aquiesced, which ruined their reputation. bitbet did not. 827434;1410534196;ThickAsThieves;its just "off", this auction 827435;1410534214;mircea_popescu;ThickAsThieves if nothing else, there's going to be an investor report, not like he's mp spending his own money. 827436;1410534220;ThickAsThieves;does that other bet site exist anymore? 827437;1410534225;mircea_popescu;arguably. 827438;1410534230;ThickAsThieves;or did they just reskin to betmoose? 827439;1410534236;ziggla;500 btc is different than like 7 btc. the silk road bet isn't for much. don't think tim draper or the usms is scamming newbs on bitbet here 827440;1410534257;mircea_popescu;ziggla its not really germane, when discussing precedent. and yes, i do think usms is scamming. 827441;1410534291;ziggla;so if they are going to lie and scam, you think they will try to inflate the price they received? 827442;1410534292;mircea_popescu;ThickAsThieves afaik betmoose is the attempt to "prove me wrong" of some guy that was pissed that i despise the "marketplace model" 827443;1410534295;ziggla;that's the only point of lying i see 827444;1410534304;mircea_popescu;ziggla it's complicated. 827445;1410534321;mircea_popescu;originally it was going to be "nobody wanted to bid so we just gave it to our friends to help us "enforce" price policy" 827446;1410534323;ThickAsThieves;they also have an asston more coin to sell 827447;1410534331;mircea_popescu;but then that fell through. now, how exactly it fell through... it's not clear. 827448;1410534339;mircea_popescu;ThickAsThieves so they claim. 827449;1410534344;ziggla;interesting 827450;1410534345;mircea_popescu;so far, it's unclear they've even delivered this batch 827451;1410534359;ThickAsThieves;they did at least transmit coins 827452;1410534366;mircea_popescu;maybe. 827453;1410534371;mircea_popescu;someone moved some coins. 827454;1410534374;ThickAsThieves;right 827455;1410534375;ziggla;pretty sure the transaction to tim draper was confirmed 827456;1410534388;mircea_popescu;ziggla confirmed, how ? 827457;1410534397;ziggla;i thought i saw articles 827458;1410534397;ThickAsThieves;he never signed from the waller 827459;1410534398;ThickAsThieves;t 827460;1410534407;mircea_popescu;ziggla your standard of proof may be weak. 827461;1410534409;ziggla;i guess i haven't looked into it too closely 827462;1410534415;ThickAsThieves;not that he has an identity to prove it 827463;1410534434;mircea_popescu;that's kinda the problem, noobs wanna pretend like they're playing this crypto currency game. 827464;1410534444;mircea_popescu;except they want to do it with clay pots. 827465;1410534485;ziggla;at the end of the day, rather than wait potentially forever for a small profit or loss, i'd prefer to just receive my bet money back. it's just a long wait and i have no other bitcoins to bet so i can't even place more bets that i'd like to right now. 827466;1410534497;mircea_popescu;i hear you. 827467;1410534523;mircea_popescu;if you will, take solace in the concept that a fiat investment arrived in contention can trivially lock your funds for a decade+ 827468;1410534534;ThickAsThieves;i know i'm biased, but i cant look at the betmoose web design long enough to attempt using it 827469;1410534535;mircea_popescu;and we're not even a year in here. 827470;1410534593;artifexd; and said theyd give a statement early Aug << Maybe they did give a statement. They held a press conference on the back loading dock at 3 am on a Tuesday and forgot to call the press... or anybody. 827471;1410534603;mircea_popescu;that's not giving. 827472;1410534610;ThickAsThieves;nah they have a feed for PR 827473;1410534614;ThickAsThieves;right on the website 827474;1410534627;mircea_popescu;when was the auction again ? june wasn't it ? 827475;1410534638;ThickAsThieves;announced may i think 827476;1410534647;ThickAsThieves;i forget 827477;1410534648;mircea_popescu;yeah they announced draper like 1st of july 827478;1410534655;mircea_popescu;so they should have responded by 1st of august 827479;1410534663;mircea_popescu;thern they said they'll break the law, but do it by end of august 827480;1410534666;mircea_popescu;and here's semptember. 827481;1410534678;mircea_popescu;anyway, it's also possible someone sued, which is frequent in these auctions 827482;1410534693;mircea_popescu;the auction won't be settled until all claims are resolved. 827483;1410534693;asciilifeform;only way the truth (tm) comes out is if more than a few of the players involved are thoroughly pwned, rooted, results trotted out. 827484;1410534702;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform being worked on i hear. 827485;1410534731;asciilifeform;and even then only if the culprits hanged upside down, wired to the mains by the balls, and admit the data genuine. 827486;1410534754;ziggla;OK. well maybe if it's not solved for like 5 years and i end up winning it will be worth a lot more at that time 827487;1410534757;ziggla;bitbet is like a bank 827488;1410534763;mircea_popescu;ziggla this was said before. 827489;1410534776;ziggla;but i guess then i have to trust bitbet will remain solvent and hold my coins securely 827490;1410534782;ziggla;which is kind of worrisome, no offense 827491;1410534797;mircea_popescu;in principle, if your credit / wot ratings are good, you should be able to use the proof of holding the bet you made as collateral with a gpg contract 827492;1410534803;ThickAsThieves;auction announced june 13 ftr 827493;1410534810;mircea_popescu;i see no impediment to this secondary market developing, rather than forcing me to do stupid shit. 827494;1410534812;ThickAsThieves;held on Jun 27 827495;1410534822;mircea_popescu;ThickAsThieves yeah that's it. 827496;1410534862;mircea_popescu;ziggla bitbet isn't going anywhere. 827497;1410534869;ThickAsThieves;<+ziggla> which is kind of worrisome, no offense /// insult is the sincerest compliment 827498;1410534893;mircea_popescu;i ain't insulted lol 827499;1410534910;ziggla;i don't think any credit agency or bank would take my funds on bitbet as a securely held asset of mine. 827500;1410534914;kakobrekla;!s bitbet audit 827501;1410534915;assbot;10 results for 'bitbet audit' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=bitbet+audit 827502;1410534918;ziggla;maybe if we had a GSA or something 827503;1410534921;mircea_popescu;ziggla a bitcoin bank might. 827504;1410534931;mircea_popescu;if you knew one / one existed. 827505;1410534962;kakobrekla;ziggla http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=07-04-2014#608481 827506;1410534962;assbot;Logged on 07-04-2014 20:18:41; bitcoinpete_: http://bitcoinpete.com/2014/results-of-first-bitbet-audit-april-7-2014/ 827507;1410534969;ThickAsThieves;btcjam would 827508;1410534971;ThickAsThieves;;) 827509;1410534973;ziggla;i guess in my opinion the most fair result is to just cancel/refund the bets at a certain point. prefer not to wait forever 827510;1410535004;mircea_popescu;well yeah, but sadly things can't always work the way we'd like them to. 827511;1410535020;mircea_popescu;the arabs want women that stay virgins, never bleed and are made of translucent flesh 827512;1410535047;mircea_popescu;!up ziggla 827513;1410535051;ziggla;ha. i think its pretty easy to make them work that way 827514;1410535069;ziggla;but i guess it should be what the masses want 827515;1410535113;ziggla;i am flexible, just want everyone to be happy and feel satisfied 827516;1410535156;ThickAsThieves;ever considered a porn career? 827517;1410535164;ziggla;yes 827518;1410535167;ziggla;but i have a small penis 827519;1410535169;ThickAsThieves;:) 827520;1410535185;assbot;Last 5 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/03MAB12.txt ) 827521;1410535185;ThickAsThieves;!b 5 827522;1410535187;ziggla;maybe there's a role out there for us dudes with 3 inch cocks 827523;1410535192;ThickAsThieves;sry 827524;1410535205;asciilifeform;not everyone on the stage needs one at all... 827525;1410535206;ThickAsThieves;there surely is a role 827526;1410535214;ziggla;its wide like a soup can though 827527;1410535237;ThickAsThieves;Soupcan Sue 827528;1410535241;ziggla;maybe can make a bit. Will ziggla get a role in a porn movie by June 2015? 827529;1410535242;ThickAsThieves;there's your porn name 827530;1410535256;ziggla;i'd probably bet no 827531;1410535265;ziggla;and if i lost, i'd still win cause at least i'd be in a porn movie 827532;1410535266;mircea_popescu;ziggla> but i have a small penis << this is no impediment, so does stoya 827533;1410535266;pete_dushenski;mircea_popescu: why not just buy shipping containers then. not so expensive, can be stacked... << http://www.huffingtonpost.ca/2014/01/30/shipping-container-house-vancouver_n_4697469.html 827534;1410535267;assbot;Shipping Container Housing Community To Grow In Vancouver 827535;1410535288;ziggla;who is stoya 827536;1410535293;mircea_popescu;!s stoya 827537;1410535294;assbot;16 results for 'stoya' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=stoya 827538;1410535317;ziggla;pretty sure there's a female pornstar named stoya 827539;1410535359;ThickAsThieves;oh those reading vids are great 827540;1410535362;kakobrekla;here we have an ugly one called 'la toya' 827541;1410535366;pete_dushenski;asciilifeform: fiberglass toxic << yes << just insulation or… canoe? 827542;1410535378;ThickAsThieves;http://hystericalliterature.com/stoya/ 827543;1410535397;asciilifeform;re: container houses piece << classic chumpatron. put up steel container on empty lot to live in -> illegal, confiscated. bezzlamatic cuts costs for self by using shipping containers (painted to look like house) -> 'amazing company, innovators!' 827544;1410535397;assbot;AMAZING COMPANY! 827545;1410535399;ThickAsThieves;lol https://www.betmoose.com/bet/bitcoin-cryptography-broken-in-2015-791 827546;1410535401;assbot;Bitcoin Cryptography Broken in 2015 - BetMoose 827547;1410535421;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform quite 827548;1410535446;mircea_popescu;ThickAsThieves thing got rejected on bitbet recently i think ? 827549;1410535528;ThickAsThieves;hilarious, if Yes, then your winnings are worthless 827550;1410535552;ziggla;i just went to that bitmooose site. it's lol 827551;1410535552;ziggla;betmoose* 827552;1410535564;asciilifeform;in any and all anglo-reich tendrils, a house is required to cost at least 2-3 years of the expected occupant's entire wage. break this rule, they break your neck. 827553;1410535683;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform recall the case of the people making that very cheap wholly natural house, being ordered to destroy it ? 827554;1410535683;pete_dushenski;asciilifeform: 2-3? more like 5-7 827555;1410535700;asciilifeform;pete_dushenski: 2-3 around here 827556;1410535701;mircea_popescu;was based on some high fiction popular work, the hobbit or w/e 827557;1410535720;asciilifeform;http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/eco-friendly-hobbit-house-must-demolished-3931069 827558;1410535720;assbot;Eco-friendly 'Hobbit house' must be DEMOLISHED as council rules it illegal - Mirror Online 827559;1410535732;mircea_popescu;^ 827560;1410535744;pete_dushenski;asciilifeform: lol hobbits… so about that fiberglass toxicity? 827561;1410535762;pete_dushenski;fiberglass has applications and uses outside of insulation 827562;1410535772;mircea_popescu;it's not relly toxic, more like noxious. the glass itself is harmless silica, but the shape it has allows it to mechanically breach the skin, 827563;1410535779;mircea_popescu;and cause lung and respiratory tract serious issues 827564;1410535781;asciilifeform;pete_dushenski: loose fibers. itchy. 827565;1410535792;pete_dushenski;like asbestos then 827566;1410535794;asciilifeform;precisely like asbestos (which the fiberglass makers had banned) 827567;1410535800;mircea_popescu;no, asbestos is toxic. 827568;1410535802;pete_dushenski;and ya, itchy dusty bits are no bueno 827569;1410535802;asciilifeform;no prizes for guessing why they banned 827570;1410535807;asciilifeform;asbestos is inert 827571;1410535819;ziggla;ha i see that betmoose site cancelled the silk road bet. hmmmmm 827572;1410535825;asciilifeform;but irritating mechanically, just like fiberglass 827573;1410535840;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform from what i know it actually is not, and seems to trigger a type of lung cancer in some people 827574;1410535846;asciilifeform;no need for poison to trigger cancer 827575;1410535854;asciilifeform;just churn cell inventory in an organ ahead of schedule 827576;1410535859;asciilifeform;whittle telomeres. 827577;1410535874;mircea_popescu;so mesothelioma ? 827578;1410535878;asciilifeform;that's how. 827579;1410535892;mircea_popescu;i guess thios is true, after all. protective cover. 827580;1410535896;mircea_popescu;hm. well til. 827581;1410535933;mircea_popescu;ty :) 827582;1410535984;ThickAsThieves;wow i'd rage if they tore down my hobbit home 827583;1410536023;ThickAsThieves;it had been up years by the time 827584;1410536038;mircea_popescu;"this is my house where i go to play with my graphs!" 827585;1410536044;ThickAsThieves;lol 827586;1410536056;ThickAsThieves;how can one troll without a troll house?! 827587;1410536058;asciilifeform;in totalitarian reich, it's not 'your' home and they aren't 'your' children 827588;1410536072;asciilifeform;both belong to the state-god-emperor. 827589;1410536103;asciilifeform;aka 'community', 'the people', whatever name-of-the-day. 827590;1410536139;ThickAsThieves;homeland 827591;1410536158;asciilifeform;vaterland. 827592;1410536218;asciilifeform;most you can hope to own, in original sense of that word, is - your arse. and that's only if you abscond with it before someone finds a better use (e.g., biodiesel.) 827593;1410536219;ThickAsThieves;mother and father are confused now, so best to avoid engendering words 827594;1410536236;mircea_popescu;ziggla so what do you do, other than betting all your coins ? 827595;1410536237;mircea_popescu;or so the imperial dream goes. 827596;1410536238;mircea_popescu;back when i was a kid, you had to try and imagine what the inquisition looked like. nowadays, you just need to check out "porn" http://31.media.tumblr.com/101eab0b3b90b3fe81916c5e95ea962a/tumblr_mr66avsy7w1s3rid7o1_1280.jpg 827597;1410536276;asciilifeform;what a terrible chop job 827598;1410536294;asciilifeform;who does the bottom half belong to? 827599;1410536297;asciilifeform;'gladiator' ? 827600;1410536364;mircea_popescu;"the departament of motherland security" 827601;1410536364;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform you tihnk ? 827602;1410536365;mircea_popescu;if this particular shot is fake, which i guess is possible, the thing still exists and i've seen it before. 827603;1410536393;asciilifeform;every time i see the bed of nails i think of the soviet caricature 827604;1410536429;asciilifeform;n00b goes to india to learn yoga (the -real- yoga, that lets you take a day's break from breathing and talk to the gods, in imagination of homo sovieticus) 827605;1410536444;asciilifeform;he finds the guru, sitting on the mandatory bed-o-nails 827606;1410536455;cazalla;that image looks like a screencap from an insex video 827607;1410536458;asciilifeform;guru gets up, leads n00b to a plank with a single very sharp nail. 827608;1410536462;asciilifeform;'you gotta start small.' 827609;1410536483;mircea_popescu;anyway, if you reject my bed of nails, here's a domestic black servant girl as a replacement. http://31.media.tumblr.com/6d2383b64bd6de9018e867b5aaf31633/tumblr_mxmms3ViO51s65rzwo2_250.gif http://31.media.tumblr.com/e2b0e7664e2e4d64c5a4d8352c9d0bfa/tumblr_mxmms3ViO51s65rzwo1_250.gif http://38.media.tumblr.com/4d6b7bd5912313cf6ceda23ca4a442de/tumblr_mxmms3ViO51s65rzwo3_250.gif http://38.media.tumblr.com/fac9f44da82f3a48 827610;1410536487;mircea_popescu;33fceac722353afd/tumblr_mxmms3ViO51s65rzwo4_250.gif 827611;1410536487;mircea_popescu;ah the "first one ?" 827612;1410536487;mircea_popescu;hehe 827613;1410536493;mircea_popescu;cazalla im pretty sure it's the armory repackaged by insex. 827614;1410536672;pete_dushenski;ben_vulpes: twould be grand if life could go on without condoms << well, this is sort of the way life starts, y'know? 827615;1410536700;pete_dushenski;and weren't you all "i dunno about $conference because bun in oven?" a few months ago? 827616;1410536719;pete_dushenski;;;later tell ben_vulpes ^ 827617;1410536720;gribble;The operation succeeded. 827618;1410536891;pete_dushenski;mthreat: has mircea_popescu been to vancouver recently? http://www.buzzfeed.com/alanwhite/so-thats-what-they-meant-by-the-beast-will-rise-up << teh lulz! 827619;1410536891;assbot;A Statue Of Satan With A Huge Erection Has Appeared In Vancouver For Some Reason 827620;1410537116;ThickAsThieves;http://freeross.org/ulbricht-defense-calls-for-evidentiary-hearing-re-server/ 827621;1410537117;assbot;Ulbricht Defense calls for Evidentiary Hearing to Resolve Server question | Free Ross Ulbricht 827622;1410537192;asciilifeform;'A simple “no” in answer to questions regarding NSA involvement could end the controversy. The government’s failure to answer generates a presumption that either “no” would not be a candid response or the prosecutors do not know the answer.' 827623;1410537215;asciilifeform;all usg needs to do is say 'no' ? 827624;1410537227;asciilifeform;and everyone will be convinced, yes. 827625;1410537256;ThickAsThieves;yeah that bothered me too 827626;1410537281;mircea_popescu;lol i'm not satan! 827627;1410537282;ThickAsThieves;parallel parallel construction? 827628;1410537302;ThickAsThieves;USG might be that meta! 827629;1410537314;mircea_popescu;ThickAsThieves caught in their own web of parallels. 827630;1410537478;chetty; lol i'm not satan!// just his little brother 827631;1410537593;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] [PAID] 11.43088072 BTC to 1`149`988 shares, 994 satoshi per share 827632;1410537819;mircea_popescu;just because i'm old doesn't mean i'm involved with all the jewish agitprop :D 827633;1410537825;mircea_popescu;see jurov ? 827634;1410537838;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] [PAID] 1.40997627 BTC to 15`381 shares, 9167 satoshi per share 827635;1410537898;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] [PAID] 2.26113278 BTC to 29`438 shares, 7681 satoshi per share 827636;1410538842;pete_dushenski;ben_vulpes: teh jooz run everything. cept bitcoin << tell that to goldberg ;) trilema.com/2014/the-sharp-friar-and-the-golden-jew-discuss-your-options/ 827637;1410539163;mircea_popescu;http://beranger.org/ludditus/wp-content/uploads/2013/06/logo.png << who knows this dog ? 827638;1410539699;pete_dushenski;https://twitter.com/pete_dushenski/status/510466545014046720 827639;1410539700;assbot;Enjoyed /PeterDiamandis' talk last night. Can't wait for him to join the Bitcoin fray, starting with bitcoin-assets: http://t.co/bsMbRCfy9J 827640;1410539744;asciilifeform;'Passionate about innovation and creating a world of Abundance.' << lol! 827641;1410539808;pete_dushenski;yil: diamandis is an asteroid mining, spacexing, self-proclaimed "capitalist libertarians" who is a big believer in bitcoin and is going to be launching a bitcoin something soon 827642;1410539858;asciilifeform;chap should get on with drowning honourably aboard a seastead or stfu... 827643;1410539913;*;asciilifeform intensely allergic to 'silicon valley' state religion. 827644;1410539968;pete_dushenski;asciilifeform: lol ya and he's pro-gmo because "no one hurt yet" 827645;1410540001;asciilifeform;once you utter 'pro-' or 'anti-gmo' you're swallowed the stupid pill. 827646;1410540004;pete_dushenski;also: "wait until you see what the third world invents when they get internet access" 827647;1410540026;pete_dushenski;asciilifeform: how do you figure? re gmo 827648;1410540064;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-08-2014#800342 827649;1410540065;assbot;Logged on 18-08-2014 16:08:14; asciilifeform: gmo foods << a term annoying as all hell. there are no 'gmo foods 827650;1410540142;pete_dushenski;lab-modified-foods then? 827651;1410540164;asciilifeform;focusing on the fact of modification, rather than specific purpose, is idiotic. 827652;1410540171;pete_dushenski;naively engineered top-down slop? 827653;1410540197;pete_dushenski;so is calling bitcoin crypto-currency 827654;1410540207;asciilifeform;the only extant commercial mods are - to help the plant resist megatonnes of poisonous crud poured on top. 827655;1410540213;pete_dushenski;so is calling a crossover vehicle a truck 827656;1410540253;pete_dushenski;also aridity 827657;1410540261;asciilifeform;it's precisely like calling bitcoin a 'crypto-currency', as if there were other similar apparatus worth mentioning, sitting on the shelf next to it. 827658;1410540340;pete_dushenski;right. ok so let's clean up the language and go with "lmo" 827659;1410540343;pete_dushenski;;;ud lmo 827660;1410540344;gribble;http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=LMO | LMO. Acronym of the phrase 'Let's Move On'. Most commonly used in three contexts: 1. To express the idea of accepting an event 2. To change the topic of ... 827661;1410540354;pete_dushenski;lol fitting 827662;1410540357;pete_dushenski;;;ud gmo 827663;1410540358;gribble;http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=gmo | 1. genetically modified orgasm. 2. to have a fake orgasm. "I just found out my girlfriend has been GMOing on me." "Jenna Jameson is the queen of GMOing.". 827664;1410540379;pete_dushenski;jenna's up there all right 827665;1410540380;asciilifeform;american propaganda schools have an interesting term of art, 827666;1410540385;asciilifeform;'teaching the controversy' 827667;1410540425;asciilifeform;once you've been 'taught the controversy' - that is, convincing that there -even is- reasonable debate among informed people, on a particular subject - the lie becomes a kind of half-truth, automagically 827668;1410540439;asciilifeform;because suddenly, there is (or you think there is) a debate. with 'sides.' 827669;1410540451;asciilifeform;(at least two! of which the artist controls at least 1...) 827670;1410540479;pete_dushenski;myeah. or both 827671;1410540502;pete_dushenski;but i must be going. cheers b-a! 827672;1410540507;asciilifeform;if controversy is manufactured from whole cloth, in empty space, then typically - both. 827673;1410540548;asciilifeform;https://twitter.com/PeterDiamandis << revolting spam. mega-vomit. 827674;1410540550;assbot;Peter Diamandis (PeterDiamandis) | Twitter 827675;1410540626;ThickAsThieves;"Want to become a billionaire? Then find a way to help a billion people." 827676;1410540650;asciilifeform;there's not a single post where the 'parody horizon' isn't crossed or at least approached... 827677;1410540708;asciilifeform;there are more people who miss required classes in marx-leninism than there ever will be people who will miss the silicon valley crapolade. 827678;1410540735;ThickAsThieves;a salesman is but a caricature 827679;1410540924;ThickAsThieves;http://www.coindesk.com/tim-draper-bitcoins-price-still-headed-10k/ 827680;1410540924;assbot;Tim Draper: Bitcoin's Price Still Headed to $10k 827681;1410540928;ThickAsThieves;“I guess the markets aren’t seeing what I am seeing. An entire economy is being rebuilt. I have a price target of $10,000 in three years. Even that may be pessimistic.†827682;1410541246;asciilifeform;what does $1 usd cost in soviet rubles? zimbabwe dollars ? 827683;1410541251;asciilifeform;and does anyone care ? 827684;1410541260;xmj;no. 827685;1410541324;ThickAsThieves;well... 827686;1410543205;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2650 @ 0.00075704 = 2.0062 BTC [-] 827687;1410545047;xmj;ben_vulpes: around? 827688;1410545705;ben_vulpes;not really 827689;1410548443;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform> focusing on the fact of modification, rather than specific purpose, is idiotic. << focusing on female immodesty rather than the specific excuse idem ? 827690;1410548510;mircea_popescu;!up jenninsea 827691;1410548570;mircea_popescu; Tim Draper: Bitcoin's Price Still Headed to $10k << "I read some stuff on BitBet let me tell you it" FIFH 827692;1410548761;jenninsea;ty mircea_popescu 827693;1410548781;mircea_popescu;yw. 827694;1410549069;mircea_popescu;!up bhcoins 827695;1410549081;The20YearIRCloud;RS Div: 0.00002808 per share on 2014-09-13 827696;1410549087;The20YearIRCloud;Just in case there's any RENT investors here 827697;1410549113;mircea_popescu;assbot reports hl divs 827698;1410549129;The20YearIRCloud;Ah 827699;1410549148;mike_c;!t h rent 827700;1410549149;assbot;[HAVELOCK:RENT] 1D: 0.00449998 / 0.00449998 / 0.00449998 (4 shares, 0.01799992 BTC), 7D: 0.00365223 / 0.0041741 / 0.00489000 (1195 shares, 4.98804710 BTC), 30D: 0.00320001 / 0.00411841 / 0.00489000 (10651 shares, 43.86522841 BTC) 827701;1410549332;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: specific excuse idem << this is more like the fabled pestholes where female dies of appendicitis unless a female appendectomist can be found, because 'modesty.' 827702;1410549369;mircea_popescu;but the point remains. what exactly is so fundamentally wrong with focusing on the fact of modification rather than "purpose" ? 827703;1410549376;mircea_popescu;who the fuck cares what the purpose is, generally speaking 827704;1410549425;asciilifeform;purpose+effect - rather than 'uses godless tech, must be satanic' 827705;1410549452;mircea_popescu;it would seem to me it's the job of the proponents to communicate that 827706;1410549463;mircea_popescu;if they fail, their failure can't be held against the conservative mind. 827707;1410549480;asciilifeform;the proponents (there's exactly 1, monsanto corp. and its subcontractors) are happily and silently raking in the $$$ 827708;1410549494;mircea_popescu;and sane people are happily and silently banning them. 827709;1410549500;asciilifeform;proponents of what is currently permitted in bezzlandia, that is 827710;1410549502;mircea_popescu;homeostasis 827711;1410549570;asciilifeform;except - they aren't banning monsanto garbage. they're banning 'gmo.' 827712;1410549588;mircea_popescu;yup. tis how the world works. 827713;1410549605;mircea_popescu;borrowing from the future, always. 827714;1410549625;mircea_popescu;it's "too expensive" and "not user friendly" to proceed properly. 827715;1410549705;mircea_popescu;http://www.reddit.com/r/Pareidolia/ << there's actually a cool reddit. 827716;1410549761;The20YearIRCloud;7.49% dividend yield based on current price, and we still have one more property to renovate from the original money 827717;1410550218;kakobrekla;mk price + div - ipo price = ? 827718;1410550327;mike_c;-0.00085027 827719;1410550360;kakobrekla;btcalpha saves the day 827720;1410550390;mike_c;;;calc -.00085027 / 0.0055 827721;1410550390;gribble;-0.154594545455 827722;1410551213;mircea_popescu;http://www.nj.com/gloucester-county/index.ssf/2014/09/paulsboro_police_settle_with_three_brothers_in_alleged_assault_case.html 827723;1410551215;assbot;Paulsboro police settle with three brothers in alleged assault case | NJ.com 827724;1410551250;mircea_popescu;nj police steals 20k from random people ; nj residents get to pay for their salary ; for their paid leave ; for the court cost ; for the damages. 827725;1410551636;nubbins`;http://i.imgur.com/ofjksF0.jpg 827726;1410551701;nubbins`;mp, i've been thinking about this massive problem for a while now 827727;1410551703;mircea_popescu;http://33.media.tumblr.com/b63301154fbd9241bf7c89af8ca31db3/tumblr_mxggb9heKL1ra163eo1_500.gif 827728;1410551718;mircea_popescu;lol wtf is that 827729;1410551721;nubbins`;the state fucks you up, your only recourse is to sue, which itself is detrimental to you as well as those around you 827730;1410551722;asciilifeform;nice lathework! 827731;1410551763;nubbins`;it's "if men in fighting games dressed like women" 827732;1410551771;nubbins`;not bad rly. i wouldn't fuckin fight that guy 827733;1410551784;mircea_popescu;i would lol 827734;1410551795;mircea_popescu;looks like an easy fight 827735;1410551834;nubbins`;sure, but if you miss the dick on your first strike, you're goin down 827736;1410551862;mircea_popescu;orly ? 827737;1410551908;nubbins`;them muscles didn't grow themselves 827738;1410551913;nubbins`;well. i mean. they did 827739;1410551921;nubbins`;but y'know what i'm trying to say 827740;1410551925;kakobrekla;mp shows him his dick and nigga faints? 827741;1410551972;mircea_popescu;lol but i dun get it, what's the dick going to do to me ? not like i'm a woman. 827742;1410551978;mircea_popescu;do you also fear elephants ? 827743;1410551984;nubbins`;tf? 827744;1410551992;mircea_popescu;!ud tf 827745;1410551998;mircea_popescu;;;ud tf 827746;1410551999;gribble;http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=tf | The Fuck. Most commonly used as a shortened WTF. However, TF is used in instances when WTF takes too long to be said. TF is also used in a more exc... 827747;1410552011;nubbins`;what's his dick got to do with it? 827748;1410552018;nubbins`;women don't fight with their tits 827749;1410552030;mircea_popescu;you never met one with big tits then 827750;1410552031;kakobrekla;save on the "w", spend on the "!ud tf" and ";;ud tf". 827751;1410552034;nubbins`;heh 827752;1410552043;nubbins`;kakobrekla new math 827753;1410552076;nubbins`;bbl jazz cigarette 827754;1410552233;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 154 @ 0.00389517 = 0.5999 BTC [-] {9} 827755;1410552470;The20YearIRCloud;now our yield is almost 9% 827756;1410552570;mike_c;the lower the price goes the higher the yield! :) 827757;1410552583;kakobrekla;lol 827758;1410552611;The20YearIRCloud;yeah, so exciting 827759;1410552700;mike_c;are you doing more issuances? 827760;1410552756;nubbins`;The20YearIRCloud i ;;later told you a tracking number a couple days ago, did you receive it? 827761;1410552872;The20YearIRCloud;Yes 827762;1410552945;nubbins`;ok! 827763;1410553019;[]bot;Bet placed: 1 BTC for No on "1BTC >= $10,000 USD" http://bitbet.us/bet/635/ Odds: 9(Y):91(N) by coin, 15(Y):85(N) by weight. Total bet: 813.28919187 BTC. Current weight: 18,995. 827764;1410553420;[]bot;Bet placed: 1 BTC for Yes on "BTC Difficulty over 31Bn before October" http://bitbet.us/bet/1028/ Odds: 91(Y):9(N) by coin, 88(Y):12(N) by weight. Total bet: 91.96707126 BTC. Current weight: 15,533. 827765;1410553661;mircea_popescu;mike_c he got a bank loc iirc. 827766;1410553743;kakobrekla;hm 827767;1410553753;kakobrekla;[]bot is missing bets 827768;1410553841;kakobrekla;is it feed by twitter? that would explain it 827769;1410554525;mircea_popescu;was it artifexd 's ? 827770;1410554616;artifexd;Yes it is fed by twitter 827771;1410554631;mircea_popescu;best feed it by rss if possible 827772;1410554648;mircea_popescu;twitter is, in so many words, a pos. 827773;1410554686;asciilifeform;piece of sale... 827774;1410554694;asciilifeform;(point of shit?) 827775;1410554709;artifexd;Yeah. I see the rss feeds for resolved and new bets. I don't see an rss feed for bets placed. 827776;1410554711;kakobrekla;and rss is so great the author offed himself. 827777;1410554739;mircea_popescu;lol 827778;1410554741;artifexd;Is there an rss feed for bets placed? 827779;1410554758;kakobrekla;and half of asset issuer on mpex has or is interested in putting current through brain. 827780;1410554768;asciilifeform;recall how naggum paid for his crime of sgml. 827781;1410554780;mircea_popescu;kakobrekla is there a new bets rss ? 827782;1410554781;asciilifeform;lulz 827783;1410554829;*;asciilifeform reveals that he has not, in recent times, succumbed to the temptation of connecting current to brain 827784;1410554837;kakobrekla;the twitter has it no ? :D 827785;1410554843;mircea_popescu;kakobrekla help the man lol 827786;1410554866;mircea_popescu;;;ud spastic pussy 827787;1410554867;gribble;http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Spastic%20Pussy | Nov 11, 2013 ... When ones Vagina has become "twitchy" and unable to be inserted by any penis or likewise object due to the "twitchy" pussy causing pain and ... 827788;1410554917;*;asciilifeform waits for obligatory mention of dogs and their geometry / deadlock phenomenon 827789;1410555240;asciilifeform;and of course, the undying legend of said bug applying to human. 827790;1410555370;asciilifeform;http://pastebin.com/8d55BT9v << example from well-known work of fiction 827791;1410555370;assbot;From Jerzy Kosinksy's The Painted Bird - Pastebin.com 827792;1410555472;mircea_popescu;ahhh pecans 827793;1410555494;asciilifeform;(and yes i do know herr kosinsky cribbed it) 827794;1410555505;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform it does happen to young women, sometimes. 827795;1410555513;asciilifeform;as pictured here ? 827796;1410555537;mircea_popescu;yeah 827797;1410555548;mircea_popescu;;;google vaginismus 827798;1410555549;gribble;Vaginismus - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: ; Vaginismus: Causes, Symptoms, and Treatment - WebMD: ; Vaginismus.com: Home: 827799;1410555552;asciilifeform;well yes 827800;1410555559;asciilifeform;but would need threaded cock for the locking action. 827801;1410555574;mircea_popescu;well depends how bad it gets but ya 827802;1410555717;*;asciilifeform still finds the picturesque scene in 'bird' implausible. 827803;1410555982;mircea_popescu;which was that again ? 827804;1410556556;BingoBoingo;%t 827805;1410556559;atcbot;[X-BT] Bid: 205 Ask: 221 Last Price: 205 24h-Vol: 8k High: 205 Low: 205 VWAP: 204 827806;1410556637;kakobrekla;artifexd http://bitbet.us/rss/betsbets/ ? 827807;1410556637;assbot;BitBet Bets 827808;1410556661;artifexd;Sweet. Is that new? 827809;1410556668;mircea_popescu;nah 827810;1410556681;kakobrekla;i just made it 827811;1410556705;mircea_popescu;oh :D 827812;1410556720;artifexd;So the three feeds are new, resolved, betsbets? I can work with that. 827813;1410556740;kakobrekla;yea 827814;1410556744;kakobrekla;something like that 827815;1410556753;kakobrekla;one only is new 827816;1410556760;kakobrekla;the betsbets thingy 827817;1410556890;artifexd;Roughly how long is the delay between a block being broadcast and bitbet updating the feed with bets contained therein? 827818;1410556924;kakobrekla;a minute 827819;1410556967;artifexd;Okey dokey 827820;1410556982;kakobrekla;you can hit that feed as often as you like 827821;1410556993;kakobrekla;there is no restriction 827822;1410558046;mircea_popescu;lol @reddit "it's okay to be a redditor with a website ; it's not okay to be a website with a reddit account" 827823;1410558078;mircea_popescu;!up gsdgdfs 827824;1410558090;mircea_popescu;im curious when this "walled garden" idea of the internet is going to finally die, and how and why 827825;1410558212;BingoBoingo;Prolly around the time #Freenode is a channel on Bitcoin-Assets IRC 827826;1410558316;mircea_popescu;hm. 827827;1410558462;BingoBoingo;That's when it starts prolly. 827828;1410558540;mircea_popescu;!up CryptOprah_ 827829;1410559432;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28500 @ 0.00076167 = 21.7076 BTC [+] {2} 827830;1410563089;mircea_popescu;!up HFSPLUS 827831;1410563687;penguirker;New blog post: http://trilema.com/2014/the-fucking-understudy/ 827832;1410563706;asciilifeform;http://cluborlov.blogspot.com/2014/09/911-after-13-years.html << usalol 827833;1410563707;assbot;ClubOrlov: 9/11 After 13 years 827834;1410563768;artifexd;http://crashworks.org/if_programming_languages_were_vehicles/ << the lisp section made me think of asciilifeform 827835;1410563770;assbot;If programming languages were vehicles 827836;1410563879;asciilifeform;artifexd: always hated these. 827837;1410563914;artifexd;Why? 827838;1410563937;asciilifeform;artifexd: for one thing, 'lisp' written in all-caps is dead giveaway that author is familiar with idea from - encyclopaedia (if that.) 827839;1410563945;asciilifeform;one printed in 1970 or so. 827840;1410564058;artifexd;That's like being upset at a Michael Bay movie because the acting sucks. 827841;1410564096;asciilifeform;no. it's perfectly rational disgust at n-th generation regurgitated crapolade disguised as 'deep wisdom.' 827842;1410564135;artifexd;I don't think it is claiming "deep wisdom". It is an attempt at extracting a chuckle. Maybe a laugh. That's it. 827843;1410564226;BingoBoingo;It's a small step from a chuckle to a person choking on their own blood 827844;1410564377;asciilifeform;'Physicist Steven Jones, who first pointed to the use of thermite in the destruction of the two towers had to agree to having his university buy out his tenure or his university was faced with losing all federal financing.' << anyone remember this? 827845;1410564965;BingoBoingo;Not really. 827846;1410565121;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform: artifexd: for one thing, 'lisp' written in all-caps is dead giveaway that author is familiar with idea from - encyclopaedia (if that.) << shit i think i may be guilty of that crime 827847;1410565132;mircea_popescu;but srsly, isn't lisp allcaps since 4ever ? 827848;1410565474;mircea_popescu;;;seen jayne 827849;1410565474;gribble;I have not seen jayne. 827850;1410565509;mircea_popescu;freenode is getting it pretty thickly. 827851;1410565517;mircea_popescu;!up fdd_ 827852;1410565926;mircea_popescu;da fuck, .al has no whois ?! 827853;1410566199;mircea_popescu;http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sor9GzivGbk 827854;1410566200;assbot;The Money Song - Monty Python's The Flying Circus - YouTube 827855;1410566813;artifexd;;;ident 827856;1410566813;gribble;Nick 'artifexd', with hostmask 'artifexd!sid28611@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-tlhhitiudhiqmdwu', is identified as user 'artifexd', with GPG key id 11D1433947A3327A, key fingerprint 58A4FD3F492F49F5ECEA9D9911D1433947A3327A, and bitcoin address None 827857;1410568217;BingoBoingo;;;bc,stats 827858;1410568221;gribble;Current Blocks: 320391 | Current Difficulty: 2.7428630902257874E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 320543 | Next Difficulty In: 152 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 day, 0 hours, 28 minutes, and 59 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 29489364129.2 | Estimated Percent Change: 7.51307 827859;1410569601;BingoBoingo;https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Raymond_Allen_Davis_incident 827860;1410569601;assbot;Raymond Allen Davis incident - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia 827861;1410569929;TheNewDeal;;;laserkitten 827862;1410569930;gribble;Error: "laserkitten" is not a valid command. 827863;1410569942;TheNewDeal;;;lazerkitten 827864;1410569942;gribble;Error: "lazerkitten" is not a valid command. 827865;1410569945;TheNewDeal;! 827866;1410569953;asciilifeform;https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lampi%C3%A3o#mediaviewer/File:Degola_de_Lampi%C3%A3o_MB.jpg 827867;1410569953;assbot;Lampio - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia 827868;1410569983;TheNewDeal;;;laser kittens 827869;1410569983;gribble;Error: "laser" is not a valid command. 827870;1410570048;TheNewDeal;;;laserkittens 827871;1410570048;gribble;ุ â‚Ë„.͡˳̫.Ë„â‚Ž ุ ┌┠┄ ┄ ┄ ┄ ┄ ┄ *pew* 827872;1410570049;TheNewDeal;http://imgur.com/ljWYbSM 827873;1410570049;assbot;imgur: the simple image sharer 827874;1410570389;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo the only noteworthy thing in all that is that the guy sung. 827875;1410570408;mircea_popescu;it stands in general, catch a cia guy, beat him up for a coupla days, he's going to spill it all. 827876;1410570456;BingoBoingo;Interesting 827877;1410570510;mircea_popescu;not really the sort of material one wants for that job, but then again who am i to judge. 827878;1410570582;asciilifeform;according to pediwikia, davis went on to illustrious career of public brawling. 827879;1410570664;mircea_popescu;well, what do you want. after the pakistani episode he's eminently downed jet material 827880;1410570678;mircea_popescu;only useful as fuel for some worf effect 827881;1410570695;asciilifeform;http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/asia/pakistan/8340999/Raymond-Davis-was-acting-head-of-CIA-in-Pakistan.html 827882;1410570696;assbot;Raymond Davis 'was acting head of CIA in Pakistan' - Telegraph 827883;1410570697;asciilifeform;^ linked 827884;1410570717;mircea_popescu;clueless people. there isn't one head. 827885;1410570722;asciilifeform;station chief 827886;1410570745;mircea_popescu;not even, think about it. 827887;1410570746;asciilifeform;(in russian parlace, 'resident') 827888;1410570783;asciilifeform;for all i know, he was station dogcatcher. the claim is that he was chief. 827889;1410570870;mircea_popescu;well, he was worth 2.5mn in payola, that's one thing. 827890;1410570879;asciilifeform;right. 827891;1410570907;asciilifeform;though, what's 2.5m bezzlars to these folks. 827892;1410570929;asciilifeform;they regularly lose far larger parcels, in the form of crates of benjamins, 'by accident' 827893;1410570936;mircea_popescu;well, yeah, but see the difference 827894;1410570939;asciilifeform;(see the several documented instances in iraq, etc.) 827895;1410570943;mircea_popescu;the lost ones go to academi, not to some pakistani 827896;1410571115;mircea_popescu;"Types of payment We currently only accept MasterCard, Visa, and American Express credit cards for payment." 827897;1410571125;mircea_popescu;congratulations on living in 1980 over there. o.O 827898;1410571134;asciilifeform;lol! who / 827899;1410571135;asciilifeform;? 827900;1410571138;asciilifeform;blackwater ? 827901;1410571173;mircea_popescu;nah the derpy ad server that puts all those idiotic "related stories" on shitty msm websites 827902;1410571183;mircea_popescu;the "you will not believe what this mom did" crapola. 827903;1410571206;mircea_popescu;i wonder if i'm the only person that will shitlist a company for that reason. 827904;1410571219;asciilifeform;for not taking btc ? 827905;1410571230;mircea_popescu;i mean, no bitcoin i can see, but credit cards aren't happening. 827906;1410571252;asciilifeform;most folks will take wire, but you have to ask. 827907;1410571297;mircea_popescu;i only ask after about a year or so of exceptional service. 827908;1410571350;BingoBoingo; "Types of payment We currently only accept MasterCard, Visa, and American Express credit cards for payment." << You have to realize "credit card" now is often used to refer to the various prepaid arrangements of dubious value 827909;1410571376;mircea_popescu;even so. 827910;1410572173;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: taking anything other than 'plastic', in bezzland, typically requires human labour. 827911;1410572230;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: but if you mail in, via postal pigeon, a cheque for 1mil, they'll probably take it. 827912;1410572485;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3900 @ 0.00076263 = 2.9743 BTC [+] 827913;1410573461;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 60800 @ 0.00076146 = 46.2968 BTC [-] {2} 827914;1410573823;BingoBoingo;!up pgp 827915;1410573969;BingoBoingo;!up DreadKnight 827916;1410574408;BingoBoingo;Dude can't take the nexy step https://chronicle.com/article/You-Dont-Need-a-Search-Firm/148525/ 827917;1410574409;assbot;You Don't Need a Search Firm to Hire a President - Commentary - The Chronicle of Higher Education 827918;1410574489;asciilifeform;https://chronicle.com/article/On-Campus-Grenade-Launchers/148749 << that tank was actually where claimed, i went in. 827919;1410574490;assbot;On Campus, Grenade Launchers, M-16s, and Armored Vehicles - Government - The Chronicle of Higher Education 827920;1410574579;asciilifeform;u. of md. used to have another one, kept in the car impound lot. but it must have broken down, was sold. 827921;1410574615;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: Across Universities in the US, the biggest difference I've noticed is the hardware they keep for their "security" 827922;1410574680;BingoBoingo;Mizzou for example was perfectly happy to let the city of Columbia pay for and hoard the heavy stuff. 827923;1410574722;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: u. of md. is not in the boundaries of any serious city (city of college park is a very small and threadbare thing) 827924;1410574732;BingoBoingo;Columbia's "Occupy" group camped withing a football field or two of the City Football field 827925;1410574754;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: No "serious" college is in a "serious" city 827926;1410574867;mircea_popescu;nyu ? 827927;1410574881;BingoBoingo;Not "serious" 827928;1410574939;BingoBoingo;Serious include beautiful things like research reactors 827929;1410574944;mircea_popescu;does your seriosity criteria beg the question ? 827930;1410574969;mircea_popescu;if a 3bn endowment is not serious you got problmz. 827931;1410574993;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: we had reactors. we also had ~30,000 students, of whom perhaps 100 had any 'serious' reason for being there. 827932;1410575001;asciilifeform;so, 'serious' or no ? 827933;1410575008;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: This seriosity criteria is not my own, merely repeating the the 'Murican criteria 827934;1410575022;BingoBoingo;Serious Campuses exist in half assed cities 827935;1410575042;mircea_popescu;how's nyu not serious get outta here. 827936;1410575057;BingoBoingo;Who were located where they were to try to kickstart serious cities in locations people don't want to settle. 827937;1410575059;mircea_popescu;!up bitstein 827938;1410575112;BingoBoingo;It's the crieria by which UIUC is serious and University of Illinois Chicago is Community College++ 827939;1410575139;mircea_popescu;specifically ? 827940;1410575169;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29993 @ 0.00076334 = 22.8949 BTC [+] 827941;1410575181;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: In the American view, as I understand it... Serious schools are the ones that dominate their local geography 827942;1410575199;mircea_popescu;so then you were begging the question :D 827943;1410575229;BingoBoingo;Pinacle of this is Ohio State University located in God only knows where. 827944;1410575249;mircea_popescu;i hear they refurbished some containers. 827945;1410575357;BingoBoingo;Well, of fucking course I'm begging the Question, because this is how 'Murica picks which schools are serious 827946;1410575419;mircea_popescu;a ok 827947;1410575435;BingoBoingo;'Murica does nothing well if not Begging the Question 827948;1410575457;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: when you said 'serious,' i assumed you meant the factories where the bezzlords merit-wash their spawn 827949;1410575489;asciilifeform;i.e. http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-08-2014#814500 827950;1410575490;assbot;Logged on 29-08-2014 04:53:06; asciilifeform: church's version is more like 'you go to harvard if you're the billionaire's son and need to be merit-washed before being awarded your crown grant - or if you're an idiot, took bait, had parents with good credit' 827951;1410575518;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: Nah, I mean the ones where the Bezzel lords merit wash their careers after losing elections 827952;1410575538;BingoBoingo;;;google Glenn Poshard 827953;1410575538;gribble;Glenn Poshard - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: ; Biography of SIU President Randy Dunn - Southern Illinois University: ; Glenn Poshard's final day - The Daily Egyptian: 827954;1410575580;bitstein;;;later tell benkay I finally wrote the scammer article. http://nakamotoinstitute.org/mempool/everyones-a-scammer/ 827955;1410575582;assbot;Everyone's a Scammer | Satoshi Nakamoto Institute 827956;1410575582;gribble;The operation succeeded. 827957;1410575747;BingoBoingo;Then there's Columbia, Missouri which is Missouri's Third City and boasts one of the United State's highest per capita concentrations of persons with Graduate degrees despite being located in Missouri. The reason for this being the University, a couple other colleges, and so many fucking hospitals. 827958;1410575777;BingoBoingo;But Most US states have at least one Columbia. 827959;1410575821;BingoBoingo;Next door in Kansas there's Manhattan with a Univeristy and well... who knows really what their bio department does. 827960;1410576102;mircea_popescu;"Douban.com is a multi-products web platform which generated based on life-and-culture oriented ... Morecontents by users" 827961;1410576218;BingoBoingo;http://item.taobao.com/item.htm?sche=dongxi&id=22327319935&spm=2014.21481949.1.0 << Why I'm rooting for Spanish to win the language war. I can deal with a Latin alphabet. 827962;1410576324;BingoBoingo;I mean the vowel shift pretty much eliminated any English's chance of winning the language war. 827963;1410576633;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2577 @ 0.00076196 = 1.9636 BTC [-] {2} 827964;1410576694;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6423 @ 0.00075778 = 4.8672 BTC [-] 827965;1410576931;BingoBoingo;Oh, the US really did kill non-BTC irreversible-ish payments 827966;1410576951;asciilifeform;'spam-pals' ? 827967;1410576966;*;asciilifeform was perplexed that they lived as long as they did 827968;1410577077;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: The Greendot moneypaks are done, Vanilla reloads look almost done. 827969;1410577102;asciilifeform;greendot << homeland severity compliant, long before its demise 827970;1410577119;asciilifeform;like all the retail 'preload' cards. 827971;1410577208;BingoBoingo;Well Irony is that Law enforcement visit to my doorstep was for cashing BTC out to those back in the day. The fucking card the load to is regitered with SSN and all that leading toward their boredom as described in blog post. 827972;1410577302;asciilifeform;lol-enforcement. 827973;1410577307;BingoBoingo;Indeed 827974;1410577466;BingoBoingo;How can the fight the daemons Satoshi unleashed when they can't fight the ones they grew themselves 827975;1410577490;asciilifeform;no 'fight' in the latter case 827976;1410577496;asciilifeform;spamcoins exist at the crown's pleasure. 827977;1410577508;asciilifeform;for purposes that are not hard to guess. 827978;1410577618;BingoBoingo;Oh, but the ATF's Fast and Furious was a thing, and ISIS is apparently now the biggest thing. 827979;1410577698;BingoBoingo;These things may exist at the Crown's pleasure, but they rarely end before they produce quite the vexation to the crown. 827980;1410577746;asciilifeform;usually end because stoolie in charge breaks the understanding. 827981;1410577815;asciilifeform;e.g., 'log all the palmprints' means -all-, not merely the ones which didn't come with benjamins. or, alternatively - means all but the district attorney's, when he buys his dope. 827982;1410577912;BingoBoingo;The worst part of this misdemeanor thing is that Illinois has a solid collection of my fingerprints 827983;1410577919;decimation;look at the 'egold' story 827984;1410577937;BingoBoingo;egold was a stupid structure pretending to permanence 827985;1410577959;BingoBoingo;!up The20YearIRCloud 827986;1410577966;The20YearIRCloud;thx 827987;1410577972;The20YearIRCloud;What'd you get charged with BingoBoingo ? 827988;1410577999;BingoBoingo;The20YearIRCloud: I've still got last year's misdemeanor. Feds haven't presented any charges 827989;1410578023;The20YearIRCloud;bitcoin related due to exchanging money for people? 827990;1410578032;decimation;http://online.wsj.com/articles/infineon-to-buy-international-rectifier-for-3-billion-1408552155 << Infineon paid only $3bn for International Rectifier, which mints $1bn worth of industrial silicon parts per annum - less than what Google paid for Nest 827991;1410578033;assbot;Infineon to Buy International Rectifier for $3 Billion - WSJ 827992;1410578063;The20YearIRCloud;industrial companies are cheap compared to these idiotic tech startups 827993;1410578063;asciilifeform;phun phact: infineon makes the 'fritz chip.' 827994;1410578067;BingoBoingo;The20YearIRCloud: No, disorderly conduct, because allegedly I engaged in political speech 827995;1410578079;The20YearIRCloud;how? 827996;1410578096;BingoBoingo;The20YearIRCloud: Because White people are a bunch of fucking Niggers 827997;1410578110;decimation;'fritz chip'? 827998;1410578112;The20YearIRCloud;are you not of the caucasion persuasion? 827999;1410578125;BingoBoingo;The20YearIRCloud: I'm pale, but not Anglo 828000;1410578127;asciilifeform;;;google fritz chip 828001;1410578128;gribble;Fritz - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: ; Has your computer got the "Fritz chip"? [Archive] - Ubuntu Forums: ; Microsoft's Palladium and the "Fritz Chip" - Free Republic: 828002;1410578134;decimation;infineon was a Siemens spinoff, a successful one at that 828003;1410578139;asciilifeform;renamed... 7? times now 828004;1410578178;The20YearIRCloud;I've been looking into investment options once we get our 506c and it's crazy how much money is being thrown at 1st and 2nd stage tech startups, then someone brings forward a really, really good real estate deal and they take forever to fund 828005;1410578181;decimation;heh oh that's the 'tpm' module lol 828006;1410578196;decimation;asciilifeform: usg wants secure boot 828007;1410578198;asciilifeform;decimation: expect it'll be called something else in a year or three. 828008;1410578205;The20YearIRCloud;One of our investors pointed out a extraordinarily large funding round that went through for a 1050+ unit buy here in Central Ohio, the financial metrics were absolutely fantastic 828009;1410578208;decimation;'clipper' 828010;1410578226;The20YearIRCloud;But it took quite some time for them to raise the cash, and they had to bring an extremely large commercial lender in 828011;1410578247;asciilifeform;usg wants ponies. microshit wants pc that behaves like game console. 828012;1410578262;The20YearIRCloud;and what do you want? 828013;1410578269;decimation;asciilifeform: obviously not to ensure the privacy of the end-user 828014;1410578298;asciilifeform;what do you want << glass of water. 828015;1410578306;*;asciilifeform drinks it 828016;1410578373;mircea_popescu; The20YearIRCloud: I'm pale, but not Anglo << what, srsly ?! 828017;1410578387;asciilifeform;'even entire free operating systems... ...existed around the turn of the century. But not only were they illegal, like debuggers—you could not install one if you had one, without knowing your computer's root password. And neither the FBI nor Microsoft Support would tell you that.' 828018;1410578395;The20YearIRCloud;Plenty of pale japanese people, or white mexican/latino 828019;1410578398;asciilifeform;(stallman. http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/right-to-read.html) 828020;1410578398;assbot;404 - Page Not Found- GNU Project - Free Software Foundation 828021;1410578456;decimation;asciilifeform: it's the State's dream - and the manufacturers want the lock-in 828022;1410578463;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22850 @ 0.00075708 = 17.2993 BTC [-] {3} 828023;1410578478;asciilifeform;decimation: approximately everyone who gives half a damn knows the 'why.' 828024;1410578484;asciilifeform;the more interesting question is the 'how' 828025;1410578487;decimation;all that remains is the problem of carefully herding the sheeple through the right gates 828026;1410578494;asciilifeform;specifically, the mechanics of the frog-boiling process 828027;1410578505;asciilifeform;what heat source, and why so apparently slowly 828028;1410578509;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: Continental Descent. 828029;1410578520;mircea_popescu;imo you all err in presuming people are equal. 828030;1410578531;mircea_popescu;what will happen here is that the "frog" will spontaneously separate. 828031;1410578542;mircea_popescu;most of the mass will boil, but is worthless boiled or not. 828032;1410578570;asciilifeform;nintendo for the lumpen, lisp machine for man ? 828033;1410578574;asciilifeform;(or similar) 828034;1410578597;asciilifeform;the former - is proceeding on schedule. 828035;1410578600;asciilifeform;as for the latter... 828036;1410578605;decimation;for the moment, shenzhen has no use for any dreamer's lock-in 828037;1410578752;*;asciilifeform unhappily reminds mircea_popescu that small-scale Si foundry work makes U-235 look cheap. 828038;1410578777;decimation;it looks cheap to google! 828039;1410578778;mircea_popescu;this is like reminding me that a cd press is expensive. 828040;1410578785;mircea_popescu;AS IF it takes more than marker to defeat sony 828041;1410578801;mircea_popescu;let's not get ahead of ourselves. boiled frogs brains ain't magically working just because wearing an evil cape. 828042;1410578841;mircea_popescu;the difference between better and worse is not arbitrary. it's real. this then flows right into all the pots. 828043;1410578918;*;asciilifeform expects that proles will eventually be issued with graphical terminals, just like everybody used to expect and then, for some reason, stopped 828044;1410578932;mircea_popescu;better usability anyway. 828045;1410578933;*;BingoBoingo snacks on Chicken gizzards, seasoned with anchovie, fried in lard. That includes at least a member of each major class of warm blooded critter endemic today, right. 828046;1410578944;decimation;http://www.isegoria.net/2014/09/ask-peter-thiel-anything/ << "Is Palantir a front for the CIA? No, the CIA is a front for Palantir." "I don’t agree with the libertarian description of the NSA as “big brother.†I think Snowden revealed something that looks more like the Keystone Kops and very little like James Bond." 828047;1410578945;assbot;Ask Peter Thiel Anything « Isegoria 828048;1410579000;asciilifeform;graphical terminals for proles, while having an actual computer in your possession will be seen as rather like owning, e.g., a Kugelrohr. 828049;1410579016;mircea_popescu;or runnin linux 828050;1410579034;asciilifeform;owning a kugelrohr in present-day usa. 828051;1410579078;decimation;asciilifeform: but you can make 10 ml of ethanol for personal use. usg is generous! 828052;1410579136;asciilifeform;there's 'law' and there's law, the actual. 828053;1410579153;asciilifeform;as in, who gets the 3am broken door and barrel in his mouth, and who doesn't 828054;1410579222;BingoBoingo;So... USG and Libtards seem to have officially declared war on Running Backs: http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_slatest/2014/09/12/minnesota_vikings_running_back_adrian_peterson_reportedly_indicted_for_child.html 828055;1410579223;assbot;Minnesota Vikings running back Adrian Peterson reportedly indicted for child abuse in Texas. 828056;1410579240;asciilifeform;(for an expensive but lively lesson in 'law' and law, purchase, e.g., a pill press.) 828057;1410579277;decimation;but you are making your own herbal remedies? what would usg have to say on the subject? 828058;1410579300;asciilifeform;usg will bust first, dekulakize second, and ask questions - third. 828059;1410579319;BingoBoingo;decimation: They can find whatever esoteric paraphenenial in your tablets. 828060;1410579340;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: no need. be shot instead, 'resisting arrest' 828061;1410579391;mircea_popescu;eh you're overdramatizing 828062;1410579399;BingoBoingo;Best defense is against US police seems to be not any fortress, but the threat of unknown cameras 828063;1410579409;asciilifeform;a 'classroom' example necessarily overdramatizes. 828064;1410579427;mircea_popescu;but yes, web streaming cameras are a pretty good repellant 828065;1410579444;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: first thing they do is destroy all comms. this dates back to at least 'waco' incident. 828066;1410579464;mircea_popescu;"all coms" is not something that can be destroyed. 828067;1410579464;BingoBoingo;Which is why you don't use live web cameras. 828068;1410579478;BingoBoingo;Cameras summinicating offsite sure. 828069;1410579490;asciilifeform;afaik, they don't run a gigantic spark gap jammer during a bust - yet. 828070;1410579490;BingoBoingo;cameras live to somewhere sure. 828071;1410579508;asciilifeform;but any kind of uplink a 'plebe' can get hold of at reasonable expense - yes, jammed. 828072;1410579512;asciilifeform;if not today - tomorrow. 828073;1410579529;asciilifeform;(among the surplus 'iraq gear' discussed earlier - certainly, jammers.) 828074;1410579552;mircea_popescu;eh get out, you hve to get a special permit for that. 828075;1410579560;asciilifeform;cameras on site - found, confiscated (found how? nonlinear junction detector.) 828076;1410579576;mircea_popescu;dude for crying out loud. you think there's five cops that know how to use one ? 828077;1410579582;asciilifeform;and if not found - who will retrieve it from sealed dwelling? 828078;1410579587;asciilifeform;dog? 828079;1410579600;BingoBoingo;Indeed dog. 828080;1410579611;asciilifeform;who will be permitted near it, without minders. 828081;1410579615;BingoBoingo;Because "Hello this is" 828082;1410579666;mircea_popescu;dudes rutinely break down the wrong door they're too dumb/high/clueless 828083;1410579676;mircea_popescu;and you're here derping about jamming wifi. 828084;1410579699;decimation;yeah I'm with mircea on this one, see the "keystone kops" above 828085;1410579708;asciilifeform;'your Honour, i've a hidden camera in my toilet tank, it filmed the hextuple-orifice motorized police rape of my person.' judge: 'court orders that Sgt. Coquthrobb retrieve evidence...' 828086;1410579747;mircea_popescu;"my gopro's been filming you all along. you're a youtube sensation now, congrats." 828087;1410579752;asciilifeform;instead of camera, 10kg of cocaine are brought. 828088;1410579762;asciilifeform;'found in toilet and in defendant's shoes' 828089;1410579840;BingoBoingo;Who was it? Appelbaum? Who caught some invader in his apartment on his 4th surveillance system after the first 3 were incapacitated. 828090;1410579912;decimation;http://www.cbc.ca/news/world/american-shakedown-police-won-t-charge-you-but-they-ll-grab-your-money-1.2760736 828091;1410579913;assbot;American shakedown: Police won't charge you, but they'll grab your money - World - CBC News 828092;1410579927;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17357 @ 0.00076359 = 13.2536 BTC [+] {2} 828093;1410580013;BingoBoingo;Anyways http://www.chesscorner.com/games/deepblue/dblue3.htm 828094;1410580013;assbot;Chess Corner - Kasparov vs Deep Blue Game 3 828095;1410580493;decimation;!up The20YearIRCloud 828096;1410580624;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: i bet the fellow who ended up in the famous bathtub duffel bag - had 17 systems, of which 15 failed. the remaining two, say? one at the bottom of the Thames, perhaps. one was built into his towel hanger and thrown out by landlord - blood wouldn't come off. (imagine.) 828097;1410580684;BingoBoingo;At least one must have worked. They didn't come back to take him out of the bag to normalize the sceen. 828098;1410580882;decimation;asciilifeform: but appelbaum has made himself interesting very publicly - your corner bobby could care less about someone like him 828099;1410580977;BingoBoingo;decimation: Appelbaum wasn't in the UK though, but in the proto-USA 828100;1410581169;BingoBoingo;Of course the huy who zipped himself in had consented earlier in life to be a part of that apparatus and "quit" 828101;1410581215;asciilifeform;corner bobby doesn't zip bags, no. 828102;1410581282;asciilifeform;but a u.s. subject can die of lightning and car wreck a dozen times before getting 'accidentally policed' to death. 828103;1410581328;asciilifeform;the nice thing about being a hardened paranoiac is that you are effectively immune to accidental death... 828104;1410581331;asciilifeform;at least, in head. 828105;1410581349;mircea_popescu;doesn't work that way. 828106;1410581353;asciilifeform;boulder falls on my head, i know what last thought i'll think! 828107;1410581375;mircea_popescu;worrywarts aren't immune to negative events, nor hypochondriacs to disease, nor paranoids to accidents. 828108;1410581383;decimation;many die every year in Colorado climbing mountains - from lightning 828109;1410581386;mircea_popescu;they just have stiffer, less efficacious responses 828110;1410581424;decimation;http://www.weather.com/news/lightning-strike-injuries-death-rocky-mountain-national-park-20140712 828111;1410581571;decimation;looks like the promised geomagnetic storm was mostly a dud: http://www.swpc.noaa.gov/ 828112;1410582062;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25500 @ 0.00075639 = 19.2879 BTC [-] {2} 828113;1410582231;decimation;http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/federal-eye/wp/2014/09/12/patent-office-whistleblower-managers-have-no-idea-when-their-employees-are-working/ << what usg gets from its employees 828114;1410582231;assbot;Patent office whistleblower: ‘Managers have no idea when their employees are working’ - The Washington Post 828115;1410582742;asciilifeform;the patent office thing is a crock of shit. 828116;1410582755;asciilifeform;they have production quotas. 828117;1410582783;asciilifeform;(rather harsh ones, which is one reason for the famously poor quality of the judgements) 828118;1410582869;asciilifeform;'The examiner alerted a supervisor about the fraud, but “he says he cannot do anything as long as she meets her production,” the whistleblower wrote.' << how this is a problem ? 828119;1410583112;asciilifeform;paranoids to accidents << not actually immune. just die happy. 828120;1410583312;asciilifeform;;;later tell ben_vulpes your blog has been pwned? turned to spam for 'feedyes.com'. 828121;1410583312;gribble;The operation succeeded. 828122;1410583734;decimation;asciilifeform: "crock of shit" << are you saying that the 'whistleblowers' are lying? 828123;1410583762;asciilifeform;'lying' is too charitable a word. 828124;1410583777;asciilifeform;implies (apologies to orwell) some actual relationship (if inverted) with fact. 828125;1410583825;decimation;the 'blog' (is a blog post from wapo like a 'story lite'?) makes it seem like no one at the patent office has a relationship with reality 828126;1410583874;asciilifeform;let's assume that each and every allegation in the piece - is true. 828127;1410583904;asciilifeform;patent office specifically proclaims that employees are retained & promoted based on piecework (their term, 'production') 828128;1410583950;decimation;right, but they could walk in, hit 'approve' on all thier 'production', and go home for the day? 828129;1410583994;asciilifeform;could, yes. and then overruled on appeal. (very embarrassing, if not career-ending event, for patent judge) 828130;1410584059;asciilifeform;likewise, a junior (less than x years, forget what x) official cannot pronounce judgement, he only forwards a recommendation 'approve/deny' to senior gruppenfuhrer. 828131;1410584081;*;asciilifeform knows more than he wants about the u.s. patent office 828132;1410584441;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15672 @ 0.00075505 = 11.8331 BTC [-] 828133;1410584803;decimation;asciilifeform: have you experimented with the intel 'rdrand' instruction? 828134;1410584856;asciilifeform;decimation: nope. 828135;1410584865;asciilifeform;what kind of experiment do you have in mind? 828136;1410584871;asciilifeform;intel cpu is not exactly a rarity. 828137;1410584892;decimation;no I'm going to play with it, just wondered what you had discovered 828138;1410584909;decimation;I was planning on using it as a noise generator (uniform -> gaussian) 828139;1410584918;asciilifeform;decimation: don't expect to discover anything useful from the output. 828140;1410584961;decimation;as long as there are no pathological correlations it will be fine for my purposes (anything that looks strange on a very large fft for instance) 828141;1410585196;Vexual;a bit of the `ol "in-out" huh? 828142;1410588345;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18250 @ 0.00075263 = 13.7355 BTC [-] {3} 828143;1410588772;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 1470 @ 0.00054801 = 0.8056 BTC [-] {9} 828144;1410592127;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [ROCK] 1851 @ 0.00060001 = 1.1106 BTC [+] {4} 828145;1410592310;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [ROCK] 3017 @ 0.00066021 = 1.9919 BTC [+] {2} 828146;1410592371;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 9 @ 0.19817665 = 1.7836 BTC [+] {6} 828147;1410593591;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 4 @ 0.20735549 = 0.8294 BTC [+] {3} 828148;1410598177;RagnarDanneskjol;http://online.wsj.com/articles/teraexchange-launches-bitcoin-derivatives-exchange-1410543989 828149;1410598178;assbot;TeraExchange Unveils First U.S.-Regulated Bitcoin Swaps Exchange - WSJ 828150;1410599081;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 70 @ 0.20777999 = 14.5446 BTC [+] {4} 828151;1410601704;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 401500 @ 0.00076056 = 305.3648 BTC [+] {35} 828152;1410602251;jurov;^^ wut? 828153;1410602741;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 104600 @ 0.00076153 = 79.656 BTC [+] {4} 828154;1410603052;FabianB;$vwap s.mpoe 828155;1410603098;empyex;FabianB: S.MPOE 1 day: average: 0.00076076 high: 0.00076422 low: 0.00075236 volume: 708190 btc: 538.76064545 7 day: average: 0.00072961 high: 0.00080211 low: 0.00059659 volume: 3849676 btc: 2808.78002898 30 day: average: 0.0007341 high: 0.00086605 low: 0.00059659 volume: 16651300 btc: 12223.78442068 828156;1410605521;punkman;https://underhandedcrypto.com/rules/ 828157;1410605522;assbot;Rules | Underhanded Crypto Contest 828158;1410605949;punkman;!up mats_cd03 828159;1410606464;RagnarDanneskjol;underhand contest - very cool 828160;1410607668;punkman;herp derp http://www.wifikettle.com/ 828161;1410607669;assbot;Smarter - wifikettle 828162;1410607709;RagnarDanneskjol;oh gawd 828163;1410607724;punkman;it has features and an app and even a customer support hotline 828164;1410608488;punkman;http://www.washingtonpost.com/posteverything/wp/2014/09/10/i-am-a-14-year-old-yazidi-girl-given-as-a-gift-to-an-isis-commander-heres-how-i-escaped/ 828165;1410608488;assbot;I am a 14-year-old Yazidi girl given as a gift to an ISIS commander. Heres how I escaped. - The Washington Post 828166;1410608672;punkman;just broke a lock and walked out with a niqab 828167;1410608699;punkman;http://english.alarabiya.net/en/News/africa/2014/09/11/Tunisian-niqab-wearing-election-nominee-spurs-debate.html 828168;1410608961;punkman;!up mats_cd03 828169;1410608972;mats_cd03;decimation: https://www.alchemistowl.org/pocorgtfo/pocorgtfo03.pdf re: hooking rdrand to backdoor /dev/urandom on 3.12.8 828170;1410609001;punkman;mats_cd03: did you lose your key again? 828171;1410609009;mats_cd03;PoC || GTFO is an incredible zine if you're not already reading it 828172;1410609048;mats_cd03;maybe 828173;1410609079;mats_cd03;!search pocorgtfo 828174;1410609080;assbot;1 results for 'pocorgtfo' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=pocorgtfo 828175;1410609101;punkman;surprise! 828176;1410609148;mats_cd03;also discovered dis enhanced man page web thinger (im a nix scrub): explainshell.com 828177;1410609182;punkman;I was looking at corkami's stuff the other day https://code.google.com/p/corkami/ 828178;1410609183;assbot;corkami - Reverse engineering & visual documentations - Google Project Hosting 828179;1410609204;mats_cd03;ya corkami is the bees knees 828180;1410609492;mats_cd03;fun fact: a piece of lenovo windows crapware downloads an xml file over http then downloads and executes windows platform-specific binary. 828181;1410609523;punkman;which one? 828182;1410609809;mats_cd03;thinkvantage system update 828183;1410609864;punkman;oh I've never installed that 828184;1410609914;mats_cd03;and lenovo support center i think 828185;1410609950;mats_cd03;er solution center 828186;1410610293;mats_cd03;http://joshuawise.com/projects/ndfslave 828187;1410610294;assbot;Reverse Engineering a NAND Flash Device Management Algorithm | Joshua Wise's domain 828188;1410612440;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 128150 @ 0.00075374 = 96.5918 BTC [-] {7} 828189;1410613833;mircea_popescu;;;bc,stats 828190;1410613836;gribble;Current Blocks: 320493 | Current Difficulty: 2.7428630902257874E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 320543 | Next Difficulty In: 50 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 7 hours, 3 minutes, and 31 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 29793225340.2 | Estimated Percent Change: 8.6209 828191;1410613863;mircea_popescu;heh it picked up huh 828192;1410613932;mircea_popescu;$proxies 828193;1410613933;empyex;mircea_popescu: Proxies: mpex.ws mpex.bz mpex.co mpex.biz mpex.coinbr.com Current MPEx GPG-Key-ID: 02DD2D91 828194;1410614027;mircea_popescu;so, mpex.ws is being ddosed, the rest are ok. thank you for flying or what was it. 828195;1410614075;empyex;mircea_popescu: MPEx-Status: mpex.ws (error), mpex.bz (1490 milliseconds), mpex.co (790 milliseconds), mpex.biz (800 milliseconds), mpex.coinbr.com (10844 milliseconds) 828196;1410614102;mircea_popescu;bitbet is also under ddos. kako is working on it. 828197;1410614345;empyex;mircea_popescu: Health-Indicators: Homepage: ✗ MK Depth JSON: ✗ VWAP JSON: ✗ 828198;1410614369;mircea_popescu;FabianB lemme guess, the health indicators don't roll over ? 828199;1410614381;FabianB;hm. guess i need to improve the fallback 828200;1410614484;mircea_popescu;how much does ddos cost anymore anyway ? per gb per minute or something ? 828201;1410614630;mircea_popescu;https://btc.waroflife.com/ http://minigame.bz/ etc still online also, so i guess maybe it's just coincidence. 828202;1410614631;assbot;War of Life - Cellular automata to the death! 828203;1410614653;mircea_popescu;tho one hell of a coincidence, it practically started the same minute. 828204;1410619382;mircea_popescu;aaactually... once the deeds bot comes online, it can work as a gribble substitute. 828205;1410619383;gribble;if you can control the irc server sure, you can mitm all responses and modify them en route, etc. 828206;1410619394;gribble;also, someone voice nanotube :) 828207;1410619398;mircea_popescu;!up nanotube 828208;1410619411;nanotube;ah assbot just came back heh 828209;1410619412;mircea_popescu;nanotube would you consider melding the bitcoin-assets deeds registrar into wot ? 828210;1410619437;nanotube;what's this bitcoin assets deeds registrar? 828211;1410619455;mircea_popescu;nanotube it's a bot being written that will take gpog signed stuff, serialize it, hash it, insert the hash in the blockchain 828212;1410619460;mircea_popescu;and publish on a website as well. 828213;1410619466;mircea_popescu;basically this can be used to issue signed ratings. 828214;1410619490;mircea_popescu;so if you're willing to work with it, we can have a special ratings protocol. they're a lot more solid than gribble's. 828215;1410619511;nanotube;how much extra spam will this cause in the blockchain? 828216;1410619519;mircea_popescu;64 bytes per hour at most. 828217;1410619541;nanotube;ah so things get aggregated, cool 828218;1410619544;mircea_popescu;yes. 828219;1410619570;mircea_popescu;the advantage being that since one needs the whole bundle to verify the blockchain hash, everyone in the bundle has a vested interest to preserve the whole bundle 828220;1410619592;RagnarDanneskjol;nano - I contacted you about helping build it a coupl months back. i think it Might be done this weekend 828221;1410619603;mircea_popescu;anyway, it's not even spam, it's one extra tx every six blocks on average at the most. 828222;1410619620;nanotube;sounds interesting 828223;1410619632;mircea_popescu;and yes im aware english doesn't like "on average at most" but it's actually correct logically. har har. 828224;1410619651;nanotube;hehe 828225;1410619662;mircea_popescu;anyway ping you for tests once this thing is delivered ? 828226;1410619679;nanotube;sure! 828227;1410619697;mircea_popescu;here's how idiots change the world : they do stupid shit which makes smart people get off their arse. 828228;1410619703;mircea_popescu;ty nsa. you make the world better for democracy. 828229;1410619756;RagnarDanneskjol;http://pastebin.com/6m4Xf7Gw 828230;1410619757;assbot;b-a deeds registrar - Pastebin.com 828231;1410619858;nanotube;RagnarDanneskjol: yea i remember :) 828232;1410619875;RagnarDanneskjol;k 828233;1410619896;asciilifeform;nanotube - original author of this entire orchestra ? 828234;1410619937;mircea_popescu;he implemented gribble and the wot 828235;1410619947;*;asciilifeform takes off hat. 828236;1410619969;mircea_popescu;which implementation is a large portion of why im here in the first place. if it hadn;'t existed it's unlikely vragnaroda'd have had what to seduce me with 828237;1410619990;nanotube;RagnarDanneskjol: who gets to send the 0.0001 btc, such that they don't mind someone else getting it (whoever fastest at getting out the spend tx?) 828238;1410620001;nanotube;asciilifeform: :) 828239;1410620005;RagnarDanneskjol;yup i suppose 828240;1410620009;mircea_popescu;nanotube autofaucet. 828241;1410620013;mircea_popescu;by design. 828242;1410620016;RagnarDanneskjol;oh that too 828243;1410620078;RagnarDanneskjol;its mp's spec, not mine. I dum 828244;1410620084;mircea_popescu;oh, you were asking who. i am seeding it, after which if we run it by donation we run it by donation, or else users will have to pay. 828245;1410620108;mircea_popescu;justusranvier favours the later approach :) 828246;1410620870;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform: the patent office thing is a crock of shit. << you know i wonder why the press is moving against the uspto. 828247;1410620893;mircea_popescu;i mean it's quite clearly by the book libtard orchestrated nonsense. cui bono ?! 828248;1410620911;mircea_popescu;don't tell me the plan is to throw out ip or something. 828249;1410620990;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform: could, yes. and then overruled on appeal. (very embarrassing, if not career-ending event, for patent judge) << this works if the event is rare. if the event is common, it stops working. consider : 828250;1410621026;mircea_popescu;"woman could just go outdoors naked ?" "could, yes, but gangrape" sure. except if they all do, because no rapists, gang or otherwise, can keep up with women if it comes to the biology of it, which is how it's designed. and so... 828251;1410621031;mircea_popescu;mores change. 828252;1410621447;nanotube;mircea_popescu: ah i see. well, at .0001 btc per tx, 1btc will last for a while. you could also just not reveal the data packet until you take the btc back out. 828253;1410621454;nanotube;then, no expense 828254;1410621458;mircea_popescu;let it be an expense. 828255;1410621486;mircea_popescu;nature doesn't stink and factories all do because nature allows things to be expenses and industry does not. 828256;1410621512;nanotube;oh nature stinks plenty. ever been around a corpse? :) 828257;1410621519;mircea_popescu;who knows what comes out of the ecosystem built around this undersea volcano of satoshis 828258;1410621542;mircea_popescu;jesus you're all too smart to argue with, what is this! counterexamples and shit :D 828259;1410621597;nanotube;lol 828260;1410621643;mircea_popescu;anyway, s/stink/stink(metaphorical)/ and i'm out. 828261;1410621648;nanotube;nature does take care of its own stinks though. :) 828262;1410621687;mircea_popescu;not deliberately :D 828263;1410621766;nanotube;heh sure because 'nature' doesn't have volition to do anything 'deliberately' :) 828264;1410622267;mircea_popescu;!up couragewolf 828265;1410622350;*;asciilifeform still favours his demented 'telegraph' algo. 828266;1410622423;mircea_popescu;why ? 828267;1410622432;asciilifeform;serverless 828268;1410622457;mircea_popescu;listen, do you agree making things "so easy to use even an idiot could use them" is bad policy ? 828269;1410622466;asciilifeform;easy fix. don't publish the client. 828270;1410622467;asciilifeform;only algo. 828271;1410622477;asciilifeform;(the latter - already published...) 828272;1410622485;mircea_popescu;not the point here tho. 828273;1410622489;asciilifeform;who wants - writes own, a dozen lines of $lang, and connects. 828274;1410622502;mircea_popescu;in those terms, your telegraph already exists. 828275;1410622507;asciilifeform;sure does. 828276;1410622514;mircea_popescu;well so then of course it can't be made. 828277;1410622535;mircea_popescu;by this measure, bitcoin also already existed, in 2004. 828278;1410622545;mircea_popescu;so there's something wrong with this easy fix 828279;1410622553;*;asciilifeform might speak into telegraph, and let it be known, see who answers - but is otherwise occupied at present. 828280;1410622570;mircea_popescu;really, the problem is its context, it's too metaphysical. you're not supposed to solve practical problems that way., 828281;1410622589;mircea_popescu;now, getting back : serverless is not an advantage, it's a disadvantage. 828282;1410622605;mircea_popescu;people should be involved, and their involvement required, or otherwise shit happens. 828283;1410622634;asciilifeform;there is exactly one human necessary in the loop (as proposed) 828284;1410622652;asciilifeform;the fellow with the privkey to throw back the coins to originators 828285;1410622664;asciilifeform;anyone who 'comes with a sword' - doesn't get his back. that simple. 828286;1410622696;mircea_popescu;mebbe 828287;1410622710;jurov;"serverless" means "everyone has to be a server" 828288;1410622732;asciilifeform;everyone who is running a node, yes. 828289;1410622756;asciilifeform;(ordinary btc node) 828290;1410622939;mircea_popescu;There once was a pore honest sailor, a heavy drinker, a hell of a cuss, a rowster, a boozer, and the drink finally sent him to hospital, and they operated, and there was a poor whore in the woman’s ward had a kid, while they were fixing the sailor, and they brought him the kid when he came to, and said : ‘Here! this is what we took out of you.’ 828291;1410623002;asciilifeform;lol! 828292;1410623038;mircea_popescu;it occurs to me ezra pound would make fine reading for b-a. he hated the banks. 828293;1410623046;mircea_popescu;course he hated the banks cause he hated the jews, but hey. 828294;1410623101;jurov;btw, how would the blockchain telegraph deal with XX btc transactions/second limit? #b-a woud break it often 828295;1410623113;mircea_popescu;it's supposed not to work 828296;1410623131;asciilifeform;jurov: 'doctor, it hurts when i do that.' 'don't do that.' 828297;1410623172;asciilifeform;think btctelegraph is slow? wait till we're morsing by hand over spark gap in the ruins. 828298;1410623195;asciilifeform;hand-cranking rsa, brass gears... 828299;1410623240;mircea_popescu;what's this, de loyola's calvinism ? 828300;1410623351;jurov;let's agree on clacktower protocol in advance then 828301;1410624007;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] [PAID] 1.41107631 BTC to 15`393 shares, 9167 satoshi per share 828302;1410624007;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 37 @ 0.19 = 7.03 BTC [-] 828303;1410624068;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [RENT] [PAID] 4.54929696 BTC to 162`012 shares, 2808 satoshi per share 828304;1410624190;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] [PAID] 4.00195824 BTC to 1`149`988 shares, 348 satoshi per share 828305;1410624947;asciilifeform;http://i.imgur.com/z44bhed.png << people asked about this, a few times, at various times. and herr corkami has good schoolbook picture of it. 828306;1410625020;mircea_popescu;excellent pic yes 828307;1410625278;thestringpuller;http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/2g862t/is_safellocom_legit_or_a_scam_deadterra_aka/ 828308;1410625278;assbot;Is Safello.com legit or a scam? DeadTerra, aka Ludvig berg : Bitcoin 828309;1410625293;ben_vulpes;buenos dias cryptoleros 828310;1410625356;mircea_popescu;ola 828311;1410625563;thestringpuller;For the start, we need to introduce the concept of a FrozenCoin. FrozenCoin is simply a bitcoin which cannot be spent before a certain moment in future, i.e. a time-locked, frozen bitcoin. 828312;1410625567;thestringpuller;E.g. one could time-lock 1 bitcoin for 1 year to create a FrozenCoin. This can be done using nLockTime property of a Bitcoin transaction, but we would need an oracle (e.g. a trusted third party) to prove that a coin can't be spent before the specified time. 828313;1410625619;thestringpuller;No one can seem to figure out how to use nLockTime without a third party to prevent double spend. 828314;1410625895;asciilifeform;if you like timelocks, just lose N bits of private key. 828315;1410625921;asciilifeform;pick an N that sends you grinding, on what hardware you can obtain, for Y year. 828316;1410625924;asciilifeform;solved... 828317;1410626365;mircea_popescu; No one can seem to figure out how to use nLockTime without a third party to prevent double spend. << for a fundamental reason. 828318;1410626425;mircea_popescu;if the protocol had been written, it'd have been obvious to anyone sane why this thing can not be done. as it wasn't, people can persevere into trying to push mud uphill, because there's nobody to "prove to them" that's what it is, and they refuse to believe authorities that know better than them can even in principle exist. 828319;1410626490;RagnarDanneskjol;hah 828320;1410626634;jurov;they want to be the one "i did not know i cannot be done, i boldly went and did it" 828321;1410626787;mircea_popescu;oh that 828322;1410628034;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.185 = 0.555 BTC [-] {2} 828323;1410628358;mircea_popescu;!up chalbersma_ 828324;1410628536;RagnarDanneskjol;i understand chalbersma already set up atc p2pool on his home machine and did some test mining. I volunteered some server space to host ongoing. will let you gents figure out the rest 828325;1410628570;chalbersma;Indeed this is so. 828326;1410628580;mircea_popescu;chalbersma didja mine a block on it ? 828327;1410628586;chalbersma;Yep 828328;1410628597;chalbersma;https://atc.blockr.io/block/info/00000000000003c05190392334fee4ba09a4f270aedcc9af1a8fe1aba97486c2 828329;1410628601;mircea_popescu;cool. 828330;1410628605;mircea_popescu;okay, what do you need ? 828331;1410628652;chalbersma;Well now's the awkward budget period where we discuss how to get paid. :) 828332;1410628666;RagnarDanneskjol;or IF 828333;1410628673;mircea_popescu;no reason for it to be awkward. 828334;1410628695;RagnarDanneskjol;i tried to get him to take one for the team so he can hang with the cool kids - but the man's GREEDY 828335;1410628759;chalbersma;If the budget allows I was thinking that allowing me to place an add on the web interface page + ~0.2 BTC initial compensation for setup on Ragnar's hardware seems reasonable. It gives me an incentive to continue maintenance because of the add while giving me enough up front to satisfy the fiancee that the hours I've already spent working on it were worth it. 828336;1410628787;mircea_popescu;lol let the guy get paid what. 828337;1410628805;mircea_popescu;chalbersma ad to what ? 828338;1410628836;chalbersma;Whatever anon ads plays. 828339;1410628855;mircea_popescu;me looks at ben_vulpes 828340;1410628862;RagnarDanneskjol;ha 828341;1410628888;mircea_popescu;chalbersma what's this going to be running on ? 828342;1410628888;chalbersma;I've got it setup currently on a home connection. You can check it out but I'd like to give the ip over pm to keep some semblance of keeping my IP private. 828343;1410628912;mircea_popescu;if your idea of private is cpe-72-135-98-192.kc.res.rr.com... 828344;1410628921;RagnarDanneskjol;digi ocean 828345;1410628930;RagnarDanneskjol;is what I got 828346;1410628932;chalbersma;Ahh not so private :) 828347;1410628941;chalbersma;Well cat's out of the bag. 828348;1410628958;chalbersma;http://72.135.98.192:8559/static/ 828349;1410628959;assbot;P2Pool 828350;1410628973;mircea_popescu;chalbersma if you wish ask in #freenode for a cloak. otherwise, anyone in any chan or pm sees your ip 828351;1410628984;mircea_popescu;RagnarDanneskjol what's that cost ? 828352;1410629014;RagnarDanneskjol;1gb RAM is 10-15/month. I'll cover it 828353;1410629021;RagnarDanneskjol;might get 3 GB 828354;1410629036;mircea_popescu;you want an add too ? :)) 828355;1410629050;RagnarDanneskjol;no, I am fine thank 828356;1410629103;mircea_popescu;chalbersma okay, you can have the .2, but i'd rather not ad the thing up, so. 828357;1410629165;chalbersma;Okay what did you have in mind for ongoing maintenance costs? 828358;1410629240;chalbersma;In theory we could take a "cross that bridge when we come to it." position. 828359;1410629283;RagnarDanneskjol;I'll give you some free career coaching too, brush up your resume and whatnot 828360;1410629690;mircea_popescu;chalbersma so i was saying, you can have the .2 but not the ads. dun imagine you lose all that much by it anyway 828361;1410629712;chalbersma;True ads don't exactly pay a lot of money. 828362;1410629729;mircea_popescu;so, your address ? 828363;1410629771;chalbersma;Let me generate one for this transaction. 828364;1410629906;chalbersma;1MZUhKVwnfGBjKm7gHSqv6WpNNBWfd8Rdy 828365;1410630018;chalbersma;I'll start working with Ragnar to get it setup. 828366;1410630034;mircea_popescu;;;ident 828367;1410630034;gribble;Nick 'mircea_popescu', with hostmask 'mircea_popescu!~Mircea@pdpc/supporter/silver/mircea-popescu', is identified as user 'mircea_popescu', with GPG key id 8A736F0E2FB7B452, key fingerprint 6160E1CAC8A3C52966FD76998A736F0E2FB7B452, and bitcoin address None 828368;1410630038;mircea_popescu;;;ident chalbersma 828369;1410630039;gribble;Nick 'chalbersma', with hostmask 'chalbersma!~chalbersm@cpe-72-135-98-192.kc.res.rr.com', is identified as user 'chalbersma', with GPG key id 9573FF79F1219C3D, key fingerprint 85647E97624587E9B7028E8A9573FF79F1219C3D, and bitcoin address 1Ec2L4nN7yGmX69V3Hkw3qfZpaxrMZjZqT 828370;1410630045;mircea_popescu;;;rated chalbersma 828371;1410630046;gribble;You rated user chalbersma on Wed Sep 10 23:17:00 2014, with a rating of 1, and supplied these additional notes: new blood.. 828372;1410630058;mircea_popescu;;;rated chalbersma 2 ATC p2pool implementation. 828373;1410630058;gribble;(rated ) -- Get the details about the rating you gave to , if any. 828374;1410630063;mircea_popescu;;;rate chalbersma 2 ATC p2pool implementation. 828375;1410630064;gribble;Rating entry successful. Your rating for user chalbersma has changed from 1 to 2. 828376;1410630698;chalbersma;;;rate mircea_popescu 2 "Client for ATC p2pool Implementation" 828377;1410630699;gribble;Rating entry successful. Your rating of 2 for user mircea_popescu has been recorded. 828378;1410630724;mircea_popescu;you don't need the quotes i dont think 828379;1410630736;chalbersma;;;rate RagnarDanneskjol 2 Client Contact and Recruiter for ATC P2pool Implementation 828380;1410630738;gribble;Rating entry successful. Your rating for user RagnarDanneskjol has changed from 1 to 2. 828381;1410630741;chalbersma;Future refference. 828382;1410630763;chalbersma;;;rate mircea_popescu 2 Client for ATC p2pool Implementation 828383;1410630764;gribble;Rating entry successful. Your rating for user mircea_popescu has changed from 2 to 2. 828384;1410630813;RagnarDanneskjol;droplet is set and ready to roll. chalbersma - are you gonna work on this today? 828385;1410630879;chalbersma;That's the plan I do need to go run some errands though so I won't be able to start until later today. 828386;1410630896;chalbersma;Also whose ATC address is going to be the base address for this pool? 828387;1410630900;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 38812 @ 0.00005 = 1.9406 BTC [-] {2} 828388;1410630914;RagnarDanneskjol;the one you set up i assume 828389;1410630963;chalbersma;Generally it's a good idea to use an address from a wallet not on the same server as the pool. That will ensure that if the server is compromised there's less that can be stolen. 828390;1410631006;RagnarDanneskjol;well wouldnt you just generate it on another machine? 828391;1410631007;mircea_popescu;chalbersma bingoboingo's. 828392;1410631020;mircea_popescu;and i'll have x-rob point his miner to it once you're all set up too 828393;1410631157;chalbersma;Okay I'll grab his address when we get to that stage. 828394;1410631243;chalbersma;Pleasure doing buisness guys. I'll be on in a few hours. 828395;1410631264;mircea_popescu;!up skinnkavaj 828396;1410631274;RagnarDanneskjol;http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/2014/08/31/august-atc-results/ 828397;1410631275;assbot;August ATC Results | Bingo Blog 828398;1410631280;skinnkavaj;The truth is out: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=780481.msg8806758#msg8806758 828399;1410631280;assbot;Read before investing in SuperNet ICO 828400;1410631298;RagnarDanneskjol;i would check with him to be sure address is up to date 828401;1410631385;*;BingoBoingo awakes to ...a pool? 828402;1410631441;RagnarDanneskjol;maybe. is the address accurate on drinking blog for pool mining BingoBoingo ? 828403;1410631449;RagnarDanneskjol;atc address i mean 828404;1410631454;BingoBoingo;It ought to be http://atc.blockr.io/address/info/12djAcViRDNpfzkBEpN2N1RXCDocNi41BV 828405;1410631460;RagnarDanneskjol;thanks 828406;1410631486;BingoBoingo;;;rate RagnarDanneskjol 1 recruiter 828407;1410631488;gribble;Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user RagnarDanneskjol has been recorded. 828408;1410631495;RagnarDanneskjol;whatever 828409;1410631504;BingoBoingo;;;rate chalbersma 1 pool op 828410;1410631506;gribble;Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user chalbersma has been recorded. 828411;1410631646;penguirker;New blog post: http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/2014/09/13/a-reversal-of-odds/ 828412;1410631960;mircea_popescu;skinnkavaj who the fuck is jlxxx anyway 828413;1410631978;skinnkavaj;mircea_popescu: Some guy running many pump n dumps in the altcoin scene 828414;1410632012;mircea_popescu;"Let us first talk about the elephant in the room. Who am I? And why the newbie account? Answer – There are many egos at work in BCT. These egos make fact based discussion difficult. " 828415;1410632013;mircea_popescu;derp. 828416;1410632297;skinnkavaj;mircea_popescu: Hard to take anyones word seriously, I can only judge by the flock of bitcoin developers in #monero-dev, I am not trusting 1 guy named jl777 that he will create a "Supernetwork" while he also have created 50 other altcoins. I am instead trusting the names assoicated with Monero. Familiar names to me. Also unless BTC is forked it will be the transparent coin and this is 828417;1410632297;skinnkavaj;good, people expect transparency for business, but I also see a future in the altcoin market with one altcoin that offers something bitcoin cannot today, anonymity. 828418;1410632316;BingoBoingo;http://www.kansascity.com/entertainment/ent-columns-blogs/stargazing/article2086784.html 828419;1410632316;assbot;Sarah Palin and family reportedly involved in party brawl in Alaska | The Kansas City Star 828420;1410632351;mircea_popescu;skinnkavaj i thought fluffypony was also involved. 828421;1410632360;mircea_popescu;!up xean64 828422;1410632415;fluffypony;wait what did I miss 828423;1410632435;fluffypony;oh jesus don't these people have something better to do 828424;1410632461;mircea_popescu;nobody has anything better to do, that's how we're all here :D 828425;1410632465;fluffypony;here is fine 828426;1410632468;fluffypony;bitcointalk is poison 828427;1410632494;mircea_popescu;anyway, some altcoin drama, dunno. 828428;1410632498;fluffypony;yup 828429;1410632505;mircea_popescu;after eth got away with it, everyone's claiming 10k bitcoins 828430;1410632505;fluffypony;"XXXXXXXcoin is a scam!" 828431;1410632512;mircea_popescu;it's the new 2weeks 828432;1410632519;fluffypony;"nowayz, dev is amazing and shits solid platinum" 828433;1410632519;assbot;AMAZING COMPANY! 828434;1410632528;fluffypony;"I heard dev is actually Bin Laden reincarnated" 828435;1410632532;fluffypony;"no wayz lets argue" 828436;1410632540;fluffypony;summary of the Bitcointalk altcoin section 828437;1410632553;mircea_popescu;hey, not the kids fault that their parents dump them on the internet for an education 828438;1410632577;fluffypony;hah hah 828439;1410632589;fluffypony;then they become "developers" from kahn academy 828440;1410632597;fluffypony;you know what I find that's REALLY interesting 828441;1410632615;fluffypony;there are a great deal of "developers" in the altcoin section that have *failed* at holding a job IRL 828442;1410632635;fluffypony;they can't see things through to a finish, so they fail at life 828443;1410632647;fluffypony;but they can code...a little 828444;1410632659;fluffypony;so they become altcoin "developers" 828445;1410632661;mircea_popescu;the internets will have them all. the dumb, the poor, the hungry. it's america. 828446;1410632664;fluffypony;and push out a little code 828447;1410632681;fluffypony;and the forum *worships* them 828448;1410632731;mircea_popescu;looky : pre webz, every ghetto block corner had its "gang" with "leaders" which "the girls" (all 0.7 of them) "worshipped". now we get to hear about it is all 828449;1410632800;fluffypony;yeah true 828450;1410632814;fluffypony;it's irritating and pathetic, but welcome to 2014 828451;1410632820;fluffypony;where errrrrone has iPads 828452;1410632907;penguirker;New blog post: http://trilema.com/2014/spamming-reddit-an-experiment/ 828453;1410634934;ben_vulpes;i have better things to do 828454;1410635255;mircea_popescu;;;ticker 828455;1410635257;gribble;Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 478.91, Best ask: 479.73, Bid-ask spread: 0.82000, Last trade: 479.74, 24 hour volume: 5929.20561664, 24 hour low: 467.43, 24 hour high: 480.1, 24 hour vwap: 475.750347777 828456;1410635633;kakobrekla;;;isup bitbet.us 828457;1410635634;gribble;bitbet.us is up 828458;1410635636;kakobrekla;for now. 828459;1410635659;mircea_popescu;kakobrekla what'd ou do to it ? 828460;1410635720;kakobrekla;blocking at the lowest level that _i_ can 828461;1410635744;mircea_popescu;cool. 828462;1410635754;kakobrekla;dc basically said we dun care. 828463;1410635837;mircea_popescu;!up ceger 828464;1410635852;ceger;thx? 828465;1410635857;mircea_popescu;yw. 828466;1410635870;mircea_popescu;who are you and what brings you here ? 828467;1410635892;ceger;good questions 828468;1410635913;ceger;nobody and every other chan is dead lol 828469;1410635930;justusranvier;Philedelphia: The city of brotherly love. (note: brotherly love does not include accessible electrical outlets in the airport) 828470;1410635945;mircea_popescu;ceger works. 828471;1410635956;mircea_popescu;justusranvier i always thought they meant that in the sense of butt piracy 828472;1410635991;justusranvier;mircea_popescu: That does fit better with the theme of giving you free wifi but no power 828473;1410636017;mircea_popescu;;;google i can take about an hour on the tower of power as long as i gets myself sum golden shower 828474;1410636018;gribble;In Memory of Frank Zappa - Dillsnap Cogitations - WordPress.com: ; Gazprom Ready To Drop Dollar, Settle China Contracts In Yuan Or ...: ; Steely Dan Lyrics: ; Bitcoin Exchange Bitstamp Halts Customer Withdrawals - Bloomberg: ; Bitstamp, another Bitcoin exchange, goes down and halts withdrawals: (1 more message) 828637;1410657866;thestringpuller;;;more 828638;1410657866;gribble; 828639;1410657933;mircea_popescu;lol 828640;1410657948;mircea_popescu;ah autumn 828641;1410658717;mircea_popescu;thestringpuller wait is this new ? or just the feb thing ? 828642;1410662938;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 720 @ 0.00167939 = 1.2092 BTC [-] {4} 828643;1410663973;TomServo;0,w_636/18mkjam2vb6sajpg.jpg 828644;1410664025;TomServo;whups 828645;1410664162;Vexual;msg nickerv setpassword dog 828646;1410664180;Vexual;whups 828647;1410664414;Vexual;mircea_popescu great dissection of some great writing, i would think tho, that the our in our happiness refers not to the individual, but the collective man as a beast 828648;1410664433;Vexual;think peter fonda deciding to get loaded 828649;1410664905;decimation;asciilifeform: re: analogue computing << this is essentially what rf circuitry is doing. the general fad these days is to move all of this computation to the conventional binary machinery 828650;1410665026;Vexual;wait, was i supposed to think that? oshit 828651;1410666086;mircea_popescu;Vexual maybe., 828652;1410666200;chalbersma;Mircea. I have the p2pool server ready for testing. 828653;1410666213;mircea_popescu;X-Rob you there ? 828654;1410666236;chalbersma;I do however need a link to use for the contact tab. Right now it redirects to me blog. 828655;1410666245;chalbersma;I can redirect to ATC homepage. 828656;1410666390;mircea_popescu;actually redirect it to here is prolly best 828657;1410666406;mircea_popescu;what are pool details again ? 828658;1410666429;mircea_popescu;o wait, gotta make an account or something first right ? 828659;1410666445;Vexual;yeah dumb it down, i never p2pd 828660;1410666446;chalbersma;It's p2pool 828661;1410666462;chalbersma;So use 104.131.60.126:8559 for the server 828662;1410666469;chalbersma;Your ATC address for the Username 828663;1410666481;chalbersma;and anything you'd like for the password 828664;1410666498;chalbersma;The web interface is available for viewing at http://104.131.60.126:8559/static/ 828665;1410666498;assbot;P2Pool 828666;1410666537;mircea_popescu;;;later tell X-Rob 104.131.60.126:8559 use bingo's address as before. 828667;1410666538;gribble;The operation succeeded. 828668;1410666541;Vexual;do you recommend or unrecommend any hardware? 828669;1410666606;chalbersma;https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/P2Pool#Interoperability_table The code is 90% the same. But most things should work all right. 828670;1410666607;assbot;P2Pool - Bitcoin 828671;1410666833;chalbersma;I haven't had any problems with P2pool yet. 828672;1410666890;Vexual;chalbersma: it arrives in the wallet freshly minted yes? 828673;1410666916;chalbersma;Yep when the block is solved it's split evenly among the shares. 828674;1410666977;chalbersma;Here's an example of what the blocks look like when solved. https://blockchain.info/block-index/463628/0000000000000000149ef417868a4d9d3ed40bedbf9383ceb708ceb28fbfdd8c 828675;1410666977;assbot;Bitcoin Block #320583 828676;1410667055;Vexual;you should add atc donations 828677;1410667180;Vexual;oh thats not yors? 828678;1410667215;chalbersma;No it's the creator of the interface. I lifted the default one for one that was more useful. 828679;1410667281;Vexual;fuck the terms, this is altcoin 828680;1410667409;chalbersma;Hmm? What did I miss? 828681;1410667560;Vexual;donations should go to you 828682;1410667602;chalbersma;I'll give it a change. 828683;1410668005;Vexual;within the terms 828684;1410668406;Vexual;yay atc 828685;1410668471;Vexual;you put your own bc addy too 828686;1410668528;chalbersma;Yep 828687;1410668538;chalbersma;Gotta respect the king of coins. 828688;1410668585;Vexual;standard 828689;1410669369;Vexual;so you gonna send some atc to the p2pool devs then? 828690;1410669678;Vexual;i wouldn't bother, let them ask for it 828691;1410670979;TheNewDeal;hows the assets doing tonight 828692;1410671657;TheNewDeal;ill take that as a maybe 828693;1410674833;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 968 @ 0.000598 = 0.5789 BTC [-] 828694;1410674955;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2484 @ 0.00062088 = 1.5423 BTC [+] {8} 828695;1410687073;assbot;jdanks +v failed; L1: 0, L2: 0 828696;1410687433;kakobrekla;!up jdanks 828697;1410687456;jdanks;hooray! however this is tumbleweed city as it seems now 828698;1410687493;kakobrekla;wont be for too long. 828699;1410687518;kakobrekla;your nick seems familiar 828700;1410687521;kakobrekla;!s jdanks 828701;1410687522;assbot;66 results for 'jdanks' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=jdanks 828702;1410687533;kakobrekla;a ok 828703;1410687578;jdanks;hehe, yea i'm new to the whole WoT dealy. gotta start somewhere 828704;1410687669;RagnarDanneskjol;how are dem chickens jdanks 828705;1410687673;jdanks;is there anyone in the WoT doing anything like the guy trying to pull off blockchain valley? this morgan rockwell character is hard to gauge. 828706;1410687726;kakobrekla;blockchain valley? 828707;1410687745;RagnarDanneskjol;noone you'd want to deal with jdanks 828708;1410687746;jdanks;oh the lady birds are bein' lady birds as usual ragnardanneskjol. they have been enjoying my organic corn i let go a bit too long. lost it's sweet and got starchy. 828709;1410687756;kakobrekla;;;rate jdanks 1 solely fore the purpose of ba voice. easy come easy go. 828710;1410687757;gribble;Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user jdanks has been recorded. 828711;1410687763;RagnarDanneskjol;blockchain valley - another amazing __ 828712;1410687763;assbot;AMAZING COMPANY! 828713;1410687786;RagnarDanneskjol;https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=764996.0 828714;1410687786;assbot;Help fund the Blockchain Valley (Bitcoin Kinetics) via BTCJam 828715;1410687852;jdanks;https://www.facebook.com/BlockchainValley Yea this too. He kind of went off on a spout one day. Wasn't sure what to think of him. He was trashin' Mr. Weiner and others. Adam Kokesh hung with him and that kinda seems legit, but he no WoT I dunno why. 828716;1410687877;jdanks;He's usin' trash sites like cstocks and btcjam :/ 828717;1410687945;jdanks;I guess the whole story is he has access to all this land, like a town, he just bought it up. He says he's gonna put solar (from Solar City) and Tesla is putting in a charging station. He has a bunch of vids of him working with kids, teaching them engineering and whatnot. 828718;1410687963;RagnarDanneskjol;eew gross 828719;1410687990;jdanks;yea he is all registered as a corporation and with all those tax dohickeys 828720;1410687995;RagnarDanneskjol;sounds liek creepsville 828721;1410688007;jdanks;so i was wondering if anyone in the WoT was doin' somethin' similar 828722;1410688014;RagnarDanneskjol;doubtful 828723;1410688027;RagnarDanneskjol;if mp buys an Island, I might move there 828724;1410688064;jdanks;Well, I are engineer. I no talk good. But I math well. So I'd like to be let known if someone is crazy enough to start a town (; 828725;1410688089;jdanks;will internet of things your biz for btc 828726;1410688096;RagnarDanneskjol;ha 828727;1410688185;RagnarDanneskjol;hey jdanks - cant remember, you got sha256 equipment? 828728;1410688190;jdanks;we have quite a few working device(s) and designs that can just as easily do udp, we can already http 1-2 km. blockchains everywhere, think about it (; 828729;1410688209;RagnarDanneskjol;hah 828730;1410688220;jdanks;i have one of those .3 GH/s usbs from long ago i made a killing with 828731;1410688235;jdanks;so no 828732;1410688248;RagnarDanneskjol;ok, me neither.. stopped mining ages ago 828733;1410688308;jdanks;bitcoin mining is for the goose chasers. and now the germans have a chip twice as efficient as anything out there. i'd rather put my meal ticket into btc straight up rather than miners. 828734;1410688327;RagnarDanneskjol;mhmm 828735;1410689008;chetty;http://theothermccain.com/2014/09/13/feminism-the-final-solution/ 828736;1410689011;assbot;Feminism: The Final Solution? : The Other McCain 828737;1410689043;*;chetty is kinda hoping that link will produce a rant or 3 828738;1410689169;jurov;“The proportion of men must be reduced to and maintained at approximately 10% of the human race.†828739;1410689177;jurov;the stuff you feed poor mircea :) 828740;1410690450;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 69 @ 0.17823408 = 12.2982 BTC [-] {7} 828741;1410690632;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.177 = 0.531 BTC [-] 828742;1410692829;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 11 @ 0.16757761 = 1.8434 BTC [-] {10} 828743;1410692864;chetty;jurov, sadly I think he might approve of that 828744;1410692889;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 45 @ 0.16000024 = 7.2 BTC [-] {4} 828745;1410695831;jurov;chetty, not based on such premises 828746;1410695844;kakobrekla;!up PoUpA 828747;1410695859;kakobrekla;forgot to take antipsychotics? 828748;1410696359;chetty;jurov, well the premise probably not but the goal I suspect he would approve of 828749;1410696635;jurov;;;later tell princessnell http://theothermccain.com/2014/09/13/feminism-the-final-solution/ wtf? 828750;1410696638;assbot;Feminism: The Final Solution? : The Other McCain 828751;1410696638;gribble;The operation succeeded. 828752;1410696654;jurov;i'm curious whe she'd say, too 828753;1410696844;bounce;so you have like 50/50 male to female and them wimminses end up all perpetually repressed. and it's all those pesky heterosexual wimminses that aren't fixing it. so it'll have to be us lesbians. and we're going to do it with violence. lots of violence. only one out of every ten men survives! 828754;1410696871;bounce;what is there to rant about? "good luck with that" and that's all she wrote. 828755;1410696894;mircea_popescu;bounce wait wut ? 828756;1410696919;mircea_popescu;lesbian chicks would like a little manhandling and dunno how to ask properly ? what else is new. 828757;1410696938;mircea_popescu;i guess i forgot the quotes. "lesbian" chicks. 828758;1410696939;jurov;hi mircea, see 10 lines above 828759;1410696964;*;mircea_popescu goes to log dutifully 828760;1410697102;mircea_popescu;jdanks so what is this valley ? 828761;1410697153;mircea_popescu;RagnarDanneskjol: if mp buys an Island, I might move there << why an island dood. so idiots can try and blocade it all the time ? arent ddoses enough for you ? 828762;1410697205;RagnarDanneskjol;ha - good point. 828763;1410697220;mircea_popescu;jdanks: Well, I are engineer. I no talk good. But I math well. So I'd like to be let known if someone is crazy enough to start a town (; << ok so if you math well you must think good. what is the advantage of trying to implement irl a planet of hats ? it's a device of fiction, borne out of insufficiency of resources. here's your must-read: http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/PlanetOfHats 828764;1410697222;assbot;Main/Planet of Hats - Television Tropes & Idioms 828765;1410697242;mircea_popescu;On their Wagon Train to the Stars, our intrepid heroes come across a planet with a single defining characteristic. Everybody is a robot, or a gangster, or a Proud Warrior Race Guy, or an over-the-top actor, or wearing a Nice Hat. To some degree, this is unavoidable; you only have so much screen time or page space to develop and explore a culture. This is especially true in episodic series where the heroes travel to a n 828766;1410697242;mircea_popescu;ew planet each week and you have to both introduce a planet and tell a story all within a single episode. 828767;1410697243;mircea_popescu;that. 828768;1410697288;mircea_popescu;jurov oh chetty is stirring up trouble i see :D 828769;1410697359;mircea_popescu;chetty: jurov, well the premise probably not but the goal I suspect he would approve of << not really. i don't mind the bulk of male derpitude, just as long as my women insulate me from it. actual extermination tho is an iffy proposition, you'd end up with a huge bulk of marginal and nul women with nothing to occupy them. best not alter nature's balances. 828770;1410697383;mircea_popescu;;;seen princessnell 828771;1410697383;gribble;princessnell was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 4 weeks, 4 days, 17 hours, 43 minutes, and 36 seconds ago: i am a barbaric american monoglot, unfortunately :-/ 828772;1410697399;mircea_popescu;hm, don't tell me she went underground to learn armenian or something. 828773;1410697556;jurov;guess it was implied the marginal women turn to lesbians :D 828774;1410697662;mircea_popescu;yeah because the authors are idiots. 828775;1410697709;mircea_popescu;instead of joining the harem of a dominant male as slaves and enjoy all the concha they can eat, they derp about as independent shegoats, imagining that they can ever score anything this way. as motherfucking if. 828776;1410698126;mircea_popescu;;;seen boolcrap 828777;1410698126;gribble;boolcrap was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 30 weeks, 1 day, 18 hours, 51 minutes, and 57 seconds ago: like u do 828778;1410698132;mircea_popescu;;;seen b00lcrap 828779;1410698132;gribble;b00lcrap was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 2 weeks, 5 days, 20 hours, 15 minutes, and 41 seconds ago: mostly just idle. 828780;1410700223;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: dollars to doughnuts, herr b00lcrap is digging some vegetable out of the ground even as we speak. 828781;1410700264;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform http://trilema.com/2014/i-love-rochester-so-will-you/#comment-107726 << someone was mean to me! 828782;1410700265;assbot;I love Rochester. So will you. pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. 828783;1410700266;mircea_popescu;and they speak russian! 828784;1410700270;asciilifeform;lol yeah saw 828785;1410700275;mircea_popescu;HOW DARES THEY!!1 828786;1410700291;mircea_popescu;i have not come to this internet for people to be mean to me! 828787;1410700346;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: ahaha, i've a shitfest from... '09. still going strong. ( http://www.loper-os.org/?p=42&cpage=2#comment-16766 etc ) 828788;1410700348;assbot;Loper OS » Thumbs Down for Clojure 828789;1410700380;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform other than cooking pork fat on burning coran pages, i once said that all old romanian people are scum for having been willing and eager commie sluts. 828790;1410700389;mircea_popescu;the resulting flame covered like 800 comments or some shit. 828791;1410700488;asciilifeform;good times. 828792;1410701772;jurov;;;later tell ThickAsThieves https://www.poloniex.com/coinRequest try adding ATC here? 828793;1410701773;assbot;Poloniex - Bitcoin/Cryptocurrency Exchange - Coin Request 828794;1410701773;gribble;The operation succeeded. 828795;1410701780;mircea_popescu;modern fucking browser, has autocorrect. doesn't think phosgene is a word, doesn't think any latin is a word, even common expressions, i do more correcting of it than it does correcting of me 828796;1410701786;mircea_popescu;fucking modern technology of chickenheads. 828797;1410701793;asciilifeform;lol! 828798;1410701840;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: if you're about to explain 'ignis fatuus', the popular theory involves phosphine - not phosgene. 828799;1410701852;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform nope im discussing cunts. 828800;1410701856;asciilifeform;ahaha 828801;1410701886;jurov;hue 828802;1410701897;danielpbarron;mircea_popescu, no report this week, and it's unlikely i'll have time to make any posts over the next couple months; will resume around december 828803;1410701924;mircea_popescu;danielpbarron aite. 828804;1410703282;jurov;!up ThickAsThieves 828805;1410703303;ThickAsThieves;just popping in to say i was reading logs and submitted ATC to poloneieixiuex 828806;1410703315;ThickAsThieves;did a decent write-up so we'll see 828807;1410703337;ThickAsThieves;please go vote for it when it shows up, i'll notify when of they notify me, but they didnt ask for contact info sooo 828808;1410703368;mircea_popescu;dja need an account ? 828809;1410703375;ThickAsThieves;nope 828810;1410703397;jurov;for voting, yes. with 10 trades. 828811;1410703398;mircea_popescu;aite ima click teh link off all my ips lol 828812;1410703403;mircea_popescu;o rly ? 828813;1410703410;jurov;rly 828814;1410703416;mircea_popescu;well then nm. 828815;1410703420;ThickAsThieves;fwiw i have blacklisted cryptsy, if anyone cares what i think 828816;1410703436;ThickAsThieves;they pulled some shenanigans when i was withdrawing 828817;1410703437;mircea_popescu;i had no idea it was on anyone's whitelist 828818;1410703448;ThickAsThieves;worked out in the end but they were retarded about it 828819;1410703453;ThickAsThieves;i dont think it was 828820;1410703463;ThickAsThieves;but just adding fuel to the flame i guess 828821;1410703465;jurov;cryptsy ==== poloniex? 828822;1410703473;ThickAsThieves;no idea 828823;1410703489;ThickAsThieves;wouldnt be surprised if several alt ex were same owners 828824;1410703575;chetty;http://www.scientificamerican.com/article/world-s-first-three-dimensional-printed-car-made-in-chicago/ 828825;1410703576;assbot;World's First Three-Dimensional Printed Car Made in Chicago - Scientific American 828826;1410703589;ThickAsThieves;;;estimate 828827;1410703589;gribble;Next difficulty estimate | 34005658695.3 based on data since last change | 33097603975.5 based on data for last three days 828828;1410703629;ThickAsThieves;;;isup bitbet.us 828829;1410703630;gribble;bitbet.us is up 828830;1410703636;ThickAsThieves;not loading for me tho 828831;1410703637;mircea_popescu;wow they made a car ? 828832;1410703638;asciilifeform;chetty: try print so much as a nut from - the engine. 828833;1410703655;mircea_popescu;ThickAsThieves i see it. 828834;1410703668;mircea_popescu;can you try diff connection ? 828835;1410703691;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform i suppose modern cars are all practically printed anyway 828836;1410703696;asciilifeform;plastic, yes 828837;1410703701;mircea_popescu;yea 828838;1410703724;ThickAsThieves;mp it loads via my cellular connection 828839;1410703732;asciilifeform;but 'printing' is a uniquely inefficient way to shape plastic. it is justified for prototype, usually - would not want to manufacture en masse this way. 828840;1410703808;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform this is very true. same could be said of plastics themselves tho, early on 828841;1410703814;mircea_popescu;when they were very shitty wood 828842;1410703834;mircea_popescu;ThickAsThieves ah hum, maybe your ip range got banned in ddos mitigation. 828843;1410703855;mircea_popescu;we had some trbl yest. 828844;1410703860;jurov;http://oglaf.com/humans/ lul 828845;1410703860;assbot;Humans! 828846;1410703985;mircea_popescu;ah cool, this goes jus' fine with my reddit piece. 828847;1410704061;penguirker;New blog post: http://trilema.com/2014/buenos-aires-bdsm-la-casona-del-sado-aka-faker-house/ 828848;1410704788;asciilifeform;from the loltron: http://cryptome.org/2014/09/nsa-treasure-map-der-spiegel-14-0914.pdf 828849;1410706611;mircea_popescu;allow me to dump some nonsense for ready future reference. 828850;1410706627;mircea_popescu;Enslaved by male-identification and years of practice within the system as we all still are to one degree or another, the assumption must be that the present system of monopoly capitalism and patriarchy must be replaced and that non-male-identified women must be the responsible ones. . . . 828851;1410706628;mircea_popescu;At least three further requirements supplement the strategies of environmentalists if we are to create and preserve a less violent world. I) Every culture must begin to affirm a female future. II) Species responsibility must be returned to women in every culture. III) The proportion of men must be reduced to and maintained at approximately 10% of the human race. . . . 828852;1410706628;mircea_popescu;To return species responsibility to women means in very practical terms that erotic and reproductive initiative must be restored to women all over the globe. . . . 828853;1410706632;mircea_popescu;Make the decision entirely that of the woman as to how she will be impregnated and how often, if indeed she chooses to be so at all, and whether by heterosexual intercourse, artificial insemination or a form of ovular merging. Restore to each woman the inalienable right to say what shall become of any fertilized egg and to control absolutely the number of children she wishes to emerge from her body. . . . Make nonexist 828854;1410706635;mircea_popescu;ent any male’s say-so in the process of reproduction. Create and protect alternative structures of economic and psychological support for independent women — women not attached to men — who are child-bearers and child-raisers. . . . 828855;1410706678;mircea_popescu;Women will bear the number of children they know can be sustained not just by their own social group but by the wide ecological system. They will not bear the children that some man wants only to perpetuate his name or the family possession of his property; they will not bear the children they presently convince themselves they must have because their only role is obedient wife and mother; women will not have the child 828856;1410706679;mircea_popescu;ren men think are necessary to perpetuate the tribe or the religion or the specific culture. Instead they will bear the children that they want, that they can care for, and that they assess are needed by the specific group and the entire species. . . . 828857;1410706679;mircea_popescu;In every culture it must be women in charge of the changes: women-identified women, no women who are pawns of men, not women who out of their fear of losing their lives or those of their children, still hold to the securities of that dangerous patriarchal culture, but women utterly free of coercion, free of male influence and committed to the principle that the right of species regulation is their own, and not the prer 828858;1410706684;mircea_popescu;ogative of any man. I suggest that lesbians and other independent women are already moving in this direction. . . . 828859;1410706687;mircea_popescu;To secure a world of female values and female freedom we must, I believe, add one more element to the structure of the future: the ratio of men to women must be radically reduced so that men approximate only ten percent of the total population. . . . 828860;1410706691;mircea_popescu;We now come to a critical point: how is such a reduction in the male population to take place? One option is of course male infanticide. It differs very little from the female infanticide that has apparently been carried out even into the twentieth century by some cultures. Such an alternative is clearly distasteful and would not constitute creative social change. . . . 828861;1410706696;mircea_popescu;[I]f women are given the freedom of their bodies then they may well choose [experimental "ovular merging" technology that produces only female embryos] in great enough numbers to make a significant difference in the sex ratio of women to men. A 75% female to 25% male ratio could be achieved in one generation if one-half of a population reproduced heterosexually and one-half by ovular merging. 828862;1410706701;mircea_popescu;Such a prospect is attractive to women who feel that if they bear sons no amount of love and care and nonsexist training will save those sons from a culture where male violence is institutionalized and revered. These are women saying, “No more sons. We will not spend twenty years of our lives raising a potential rapist, a potential batterer, a potential Big Man.” 828863;1410706710;mircea_popescu;so there you have it, perfectly good reason to oppose libertard environmentalism, along with the rest of women-studies driven libertardism. 828864;1410706715;jurov;ha, chetty knows you 828865;1410706745;mircea_popescu;the future, if there is one, is happy identification as slaves for the people who are, for very good reason, exactly that. 828866;1410706750;mircea_popescu;none of this bullcrap. 828867;1410706772;mircea_popescu;happiness comes out of accepting one's condition, not of pretending pigs fly and similar nonsense. 828868;1410706844;mircea_popescu;at least we clearly know where we stand. 828869;1410706972;mircea_popescu;jurov indeed. 828870;1410707057;chetty;Let me point out that as woman I think the author of that piece is totally insane. 828871;1410707062;mircea_popescu;this derpage is so delicious lol. olg hags clinging to a social relevancy and political influence they never had and never will have. derp on, sisters! 828872;1410707090;mircea_popescu;chetty just a little misguided, imo. she perceives the problem correctly, there's too many idiots. 828873;1410707103;mircea_popescu;the solutions she comes up with all stem from her unwarranted premise that she's a whole and complete being. 828874;1410707174;chetty;the current habit in some cultures of aborting the majority of female children is equally insane 828875;1410707184;mircea_popescu;anyway, i for one am muchly in favour of california and perhaps the entire us applying this novel thinking. for one thing, it's too expensive to find out what exactly the drawbacks of this ovular merging thing are other than by using voluntary subjects. 828876;1410707198;mircea_popescu;chetty simple way to beg for war is all. 828877;1410707291;mircea_popescu;anyway, "author and activist" is becoming the new "singer-songwriter", which is what elevator girls became after waitress-and-model went out of fashion with greenwich village 828878;1410707360;mircea_popescu;chetty to be honest, i think the only thing that's getting exterminated on the short and maybe medium term is your style of reasonable, golden middle sanity. 828879;1410707381;mircea_popescu;ain't nobody got time for that. not no more. 828880;1410707405;mircea_popescu;course they'll live to regret it, but on the plus side, not so very many of them. 828881;1410707453;chetty;hmm humans live longer, we have all these modern things to reduce work and yet we dont have time. I admit that one confounds me. 828882;1410707489;mircea_popescu;time is a psychological phenomenon. 828883;1410707517;mircea_popescu;roughly speaking, the time the subject perceives he has is a scalar computed as a function of the interruptions count in their brain. 828884;1410707532;mircea_popescu;the more often conscience flows get interrupted, the less subjective time is had. 828885;1410707603;mircea_popescu;simple musical verification of this : all military marches are short musical phrases with a lot of percution and a lot of short measures. all dirges are the opposite. 828886;1410710396;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] [PAID] 6.19843532 BTC to 1`149`988 shares, 539 satoshi per share 828887;1410710579;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] [PAID] 1.29747597 BTC to 15`393 shares, 8429 satoshi per share 828888;1410710641;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] [PAID] 4.43272221 BTC to 15`393 shares, 28797 satoshi per share 828889;1410711678;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 200 @ 0.00620002 = 1.24 BTC [-] 828890;1410715446;kakobrekla;nah 828891;1410715464;kakobrekla;just the valve needs more energy to fail than to sustain fail 828892;1410715488;mircea_popescu;oh 828893;1410715520;mircea_popescu;yeah that makes sense 828894;1410715648;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: co2 goes in and then out of solution. 828895;1410715699;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform i think kakobrekla has it. the cap is an de facto valve. under high pressure its seal fails, as presusre drops it collapses and seals again, which builds pressure again etc 828896;1410715738;asciilifeform;aha cap yes. 828897;1410715832;mircea_popescu;course i still wonder what causes the bubble hail. 828898;1410715863;asciilifeform;bubble << pressure drops, co2 comes out of solution 828899;1410715898;mircea_popescu;ah simultaneous with the reseal 828900;1410715905;mircea_popescu;pretty interesting party trick this 828901;1410715959;kakobrekla;needs quite fine tuning 828902;1410715996;mircea_popescu;its realyl not hard to do, i did it on 2/2 bottles i tried 828903;1410716015;kakobrekla;mebbe you are a fine tuner 828904;1410716075;chetty;interesting habit you got there, " beat to shit against a countertop" 828905;1410716098;mircea_popescu;ahem. FINELY TUNED beat to shit. 828906;1410716662;mircea_popescu;http://www.lnx.ro/2014/07/31/sdn/ << today's lulz, among many others : sdn! 828907;1410716663;assbot;SDN | I see dropped packets 828908;1410717177;ben_vulpes; hmm humans live longer, we have all these modern things to reduce work and yet we dont have time. I admit that one confounds me. << girl gets a food processor, but prep time saved in mincing garlic does not make meals faster, but grander meals. 828909;1410717206;ben_vulpes;engineer automates a thing, does not get those hours back but instead firm can now build things faster and charge less than the competition for better quality work. 828910;1410717239;chetty;ben_vulpes, pfftt, takes as long or longer to setup and clean food processor than to just mince the garlic 828911;1410717253;ben_vulpes;garlic and the onions and the carrots and... 828912;1410717260;ben_vulpes;amortize setup across multiple runs 828913;1410717289;ben_vulpes;sheesh chetty this is frosh grade "lean" engineering :P 828914;1410717294;chetty;I bet I can prep a meal faster by hand than with a silly gadget 828915;1410717346;ben_vulpes;a meal certainly 828916;1410717392;chetty;and I am a grand cook too 828917;1410717412;ben_vulpes;i'm no expert, i just know what i've seen. 828918;1410717435;ben_vulpes;both in the kitchen and on the line. 828919;1410717461;mircea_popescu;chetty you also don't make finger salad. 828920;1410717462;ben_vulpes;out on the line i heard the same routine: "i can muscle these castings onto the fixture faster than any robot!"" 828921;1410717479;chetty;well I can see it for mass production but in a home kitchen its silly unless you are feeding an army of children 828922;1410717494;mircea_popescu;what children, nobody's got time for that. 828923;1410717514;ben_vulpes;irc tho... 828924;1410717569;ben_vulpes;food processor's retarded, but do you use a mandolin, chetty? 828925;1410717572;mircea_popescu;romanian 4rd army (transylvania) used to serve basically two types of food. either cluj cabbage (layers of ground pork and cut cabbage cooked in a large pot for 2 hours) or porked potatoes (same thing) 828926;1410717589;mircea_popescu;they used half ton vats to cook the stuff. potatoes cleanned and cut by hand 828927;1410717598;mircea_popescu;cabbage idem. 828928;1410717614;ben_vulpes;typical labor surplus behavior 828929;1410717614;chetty;ben_vulpes, nope, good knife is all anyone really needs, well sharpened of course 828930;1410717667;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes quite. 828931;1410717730;ben_vulpes;i'm going to do all sorts of stupid shit when i have a labor surplus. 828932;1410717908;mircea_popescu;bellydancing university ? 828933;1410718167;ben_vulpes;finishing school but same diff 828934;1410718379;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2750 @ 0.00064999 = 1.7875 BTC [-] {2} 828935;1410718562;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 82438 @ 0.00075531 = 62.2662 BTC [+] {6} 828936;1410718593;mircea_popescu;wtf is with all the half price x.eur bids. 828937;1410718623;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 51011 @ 0.00075849 = 38.6913 BTC [+] {4} 828938;1410718684;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16059 @ 0.00075881 = 12.1857 BTC [+] 828939;1410718745;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 45650 @ 0.00075818 = 34.6109 BTC [-] {4} 828940;1410718806;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8925 @ 0.00075819 = 6.7668 BTC [+] {3} 828941;1410718928;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34205 @ 0.00075454 = 25.809 BTC [+] {3} 828942;1410718989;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22395 @ 0.00076004 = 17.0211 BTC [+] {2} 828943;1410719599;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 54 @ 0.01030002 = 0.5562 BTC [-] {4} 828944;1410722342;peterl;quiet today. 828945;1410723566;peterl;!up stormlight 828946;1410723580;peterl;!up jMyles 828947;1410723600;peterl;hi? 828948;1410723686;nubbins`;http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/saskatoon/bitcoin-mining-company-fully-vindicated-after-expiry-of-cease-trade-order-1.2765131 828949;1410723687;assbot;Bitcoin mining company 'fully vindicated' after expiry of cease trade order - Saskatoon - CBC News 828950;1410723693;nubbins`;background info: 828951;1410723693;nubbins`;http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/saskatchewan/dominion-bitcoin-mining-hit-with-cease-trade-order-1.2633904 828952;1410723694;assbot;Dominion Bitcoin Mining hit with cease-trade order - Saskatchewan - CBC News 828953;1410723722;X-Rob;Tell me, assbot 828954;1410723750;X-Rob;Oh 828955;1410723755;X-Rob;it was gribble anyway 828956;1410723782;peterl;mixing up your bots? 828957;1410723871;X-Rob;I'm easily confused. 828958;1410723930;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 6 @ 0.1888033 = 1.1328 BTC [+] {4} 828959;1410724049;X-Rob;chalbersma: 828960;1410724064;X-Rob;Pool is asking for a hard restart every 2 seconds 828961;1410724136;X-Rob;https://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/8txtSMty 828962;1410724137;assbot;Pastebin: 8txtSMty | IRCCloud 828963;1410724997;peterl;!up aspho 828964;1410725006;peterl;!up DreadKnight 828965;1410725050;peterl;What brings you to #bitcoin-assets? 828966;1410725051;mircea_popescu;X-Rob what do you figure is the prlblem ? 828967;1410725129;X-Rob;mircea_popescu: I don't know. The pool shouldn't be requesting a hard reset that often. It means that the pool thinks the block time is 20 seconds-ish. 828968;1410725174;X-Rob;This is when ASICs suck compared to old GPU or CPU hardware, as they need extra time to reset and reconfigure 828969;1410725821;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4415 @ 0.0007602 = 3.3563 BTC [+] 828970;1410725884;mircea_popescu;aha 828971;1410726458;mircea_popescu;;;nubbins` not an expert on vindication but expiration may as well mean neglect or w/e 828972;1410726460;gribble;Error: "nubbins`" is not a valid command. 828973;1410726469;mircea_popescu;;;later tell nubbins` not an expert on vindication but expiration may as well mean neglect or w/e 828974;1410726469;gribble;The operation succeeded. 828975;1410726548;chalbersma;X-Rob Can I get you to point some hashing power there for a bit. Let's see if I can see what the issue is. 828976;1410726770;X-Rob;chalbersma: no problems 828977;1410726772;X-Rob;fitiring now 828978;1410726777;chalbersma;Thanks! 828979;1410726826;X-Rob;chalbersma: you should be using the standard p2pool build, with just the magic changed and the ports. 828980;1410726851;chalbersma;That's basically all I've changed (in addition to adding the extra web interface bits. 828981;1410726871;X-Rob;I have no idea why it's asking for a full reset every couple of seconds. 828982;1410726884;X-Rob;it should be once every minute 8-\ 828983;1410726904;chalbersma;I imagine it has to do with the changing hashrate. 828984;1410726913;X-Rob;No, p2pool doesn't work like that. 828985;1410727055;chalbersma;!up RagnarsBitch 828986;1410727057;RagnarsBitch;Yes, rob. There needs to be more than one miner on the network otherwise this issue will persist 828987;1410727072;RagnarsBitch;I have a ton of experience with this 828988;1410727101;chalbersma;Can you try setting a manual difficulty? I believe they added that feature to p2pool recently to improve stability. Let me look up the formatting on how to do it. 828989;1410727259;RagnarsBitch;If anyone in here has an asic miner they can spare, please point it at the pool for 24 hours so this can get sorted out 828990;1410727276;RagnarsBitch;What's the address again chalbersma? 828991;1410727288;chalbersma;http://104.131.60.126:8559/ 828992;1410727295;RagnarsBitch;Thank 828993;1410727304;chalbersma;np 828994;1410727357;X-Rob;RagnarsBitch: What does the number of miners have to do with it? The share value is calculated based on the hash rate aimed at the pool. 828995;1410727360;X-Rob;Although 828996;1410727364;X-Rob;it appears that thepool just died. 828997;1410727370;X-Rob;uh 828998;1410727376;X-Rob;aimed at /the p2pool network/ sorry 828999;1410727560;X-Rob;chalbersma: The miner is set up with that pool as priority one 829000;1410727577;RagnarsBitch;It has to do with packet loss and pools not being designed for just a single miner. I know I've had these same issues anytime just one miner is active on a pool , then resolves as soon as a couple more come online 829001;1410727692;X-Rob;Uh, no. 829002;1410727698;X-Rob;I don't think you understand the problem. 829003;1410727732;RagnarsBitch;Sure that is possible 829004;1410727739;X-Rob;No, it's not. 829005;1410727745;X-Rob;Oh 829006;1410727751;X-Rob;You not understanding is possible 8) 829007;1410727753;X-Rob;Yes. 829008;1410727769;RagnarsBitch;Easy there rob 829009;1410727826;chetty;http://www.theverge.com/2014/9/14/6147887/stellar-discovers-gchq-surveillance-documentary 829010;1410727827;assbot;This is what it's like to find out the government hacked your business | The Verge 829011;1410727915;X-Rob;RagnarsBitch: wait, I do apologise. I was saying 'packet loss is not possibe'. 829012;1410727932;X-Rob;but that pool is barely reachable 829013;1410727939;X-Rob;so, yes, packet loss is one isse 829014;1410727981;RagnarsBitch;Ok. Describe barely reachable..digi ocean says its been up the whole time 829015;1410728010;X-Rob;I am trying to connect to the p2pool port to see what the share value is 829016;1410728013;X-Rob;and it's just hanging 829017;1410728039;X-Rob;then it just sent a connectionr eset 829018;1410728063;RagnarsBitch;Right, you know p2pool is slow as molasses to show share value 829019;1410728077;X-Rob;RagnarsBitch: that's also incorrect. 829020;1410728081;X-Rob;but I'm not even getting the web page. 829021;1410728083;RagnarsBitch;Hanging night be an issue, we'll see 829022;1410728083;X-Rob;just said 'waiting' 829023;1410728102;RagnarsBitch;Ok 829024;1410728165;chalbersma;Taking a look at it. 829025;1410728185;X-Rob;ok 829026;1410728188;X-Rob;web just got better 829027;1410728226;RagnarsBitch;Geez rob. If you'd just built the pool like you said, we wouldn't be having this conversation 829028;1410728233;RagnarsBitch;:) 829029;1410728312;X-Rob;... this is a really good point, RagnarsBitch 829030;1410728340;X-Rob;Ah, right. Share difficulty at 1. 829031;1410729188;jdanks;mircea_popescu: jdanks so what is this valley ? << seems like a hippie commune for BTC only everything. I can't imagine how we would pay for our power or electricity but it seems like the guy behind it all wants to teach children the importance of engineering, electronics, and crypto, through having a whole town run/get paid in BTC or other. 829032;1410729256;chalbersma;X-Rob can you try using a higher manual difficulty. Add + after your address in the username field. 829033;1410729270;X-Rob;chalbersma: have done that. IT's at +1024 now 829034;1410729325;X-Rob;It's not actually working, as it's still asking for difficulty 1 shares. 829035;1410729418;chalbersma;hmm 829036;1410729522;*;X-Rob tries setting the share difficulty 829037;1410729549;chalbersma;This is what I'm seeing on your shares: http://pastebin.com/dRLKzbAM 829038;1410729549;assbot;2014-09-14 17:18:13.150146 GOT SHARE! 12djAcViRDNpfzkBEpN2N1RXCDocNi41BV a16a110 - Pastebin.com 829039;1410729571;X-Rob;yes, as the share difficulty is set at 1 829040;1410729579;X-Rob;and it's not increasing 829041;1410729630;X-Rob;I'm just trying it with /1024 to see if that'll help 829042;1410729648;X-Rob;which has been buggy for a while. 829043;1410729665;chalbersma;kk 829044;1410729835;chalbersma;!up RagnarsBitch 829045;1410729855;RagnarsBitch;https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=153232.0 829046;1410729856;assbot;A guide for mining efficiently on P2Pool, includes FUD repellent and FAQ 829047;1410729886;chalbersma;Let me try ressetting both nodes and the share data on them. Starting fresh. 829048;1410730126;RagnarsBitch;https://github.com/forrestv/p2pool/issues 829049;1410730126;assbot;Issues forrestv/p2pool GitHub 829050;1410730294;X-Rob;chalbersma: In bitcoin.py, (if you didn't rename it, if you did, then you know what you're doing) look for SANE_TARGET_RANGE and change the '1000' to 1000000 829051;1410730307;chalbersma;kk 829052;1410730391;chalbersma;Current same target range: 829053;1410730391;chalbersma;SANE_TARGET_RANGE = (2**256//2**32//1000000 - 1, 2**256//2**32 - 1) 829054;1410730400;mircea_popescu;jdanks myeah. maybe an idea for much later. 829055;1410730412;X-Rob;I don't know this part of the code, but apparently in work.py, there's ' target = 2**256-1' which you can change to target = bitcoin_data.difficulty_to_target(2048) 829056;1410730415;X-Rob;that may work 829057;1410730450;RagnarsBitch;jdanks -what's this WE shit. Sounds like your bags are packed 829058;1410730462;mircea_popescu;it's a counterfactual we. 829059;1410730470;jdanks;royal we 829060;1410730472;RagnarsBitch;Oh 829061;1410730477;RagnarsBitch;Heh 829062;1410730489;jdanks;but yes my bags ARE packed (: maybe not for his venue but for A venue 829063;1410730563;RagnarsBitch;I run a haxor sweatshop in my house, you're welcome anytime. Plenty of room for the chickens. Although not sure how they'll get along with the pups 829064;1410730627;jdanks;haha, yea they are outside birds. i'm sure we'd violate some kind of ordinance bringin them inside. of course the city'd hafta find out before your pups make a sweet supper outa them. 829065;1410730652;jdanks;i'm more of an outdoorsy type too (; if you have a patio and wifi i'm sold 829066;1410730685;RagnarsBitch;Oh yes. Nice sized backyard for OC. 2 mins from the beach 829067;1410730931;decimation;RagnarsBitch: is that Ocean City or Orange County? 829068;1410730952;RagnarsBitch;Laguna bch..orange 829069;1410730974;RagnarsBitch;jdanks is like 45 mins north of me 829070;1410730982;jdanks;OooOOoo so you ain't that far. I'm down in pico or bellflower a bunch 829071;1410731039;RagnarsBitch;I have this big hill behind my house I need to start planting on..tomatoes, corn, weed or w/e 829072;1410731066;jdanks;It's still hot, but that'd be next year 829073;1410731118;RagnarsBitch;Hmm. So can't plant until winter? 829074;1410731118;jdanks;i'd get a bunch of greens going till it cooled down. I may also start some carrots, beets, and parsnips early. maybe wait a couple more weeks. 829075;1410731131;RagnarsBitch;Nice 829076;1410731133;jdanks;Nah it's not that you can't plant it's just you may not get great fruit 829077;1410731143;RagnarsBitch;Right 829078;1410731154;jdanks;Roots or fruits like full sun. 12 hours for fruits if you can give it without scorching or drying out the plant 829079;1410731177;jdanks;weed'd be like 15 minutes a day 4 times a day, you can grow that anywhere but in the ground i'd start those march/april 829080;1410731191;RagnarsBitch;Hmm k 829081;1410731217;jdanks;water i mean, oh! i hafta get our sprinkler solenoids to ya when we have them working and assembled 829082;1410731239;RagnarsBitch;Already set up 829083;1410731258;jdanks;you can just pop the solenoid with the wires that go to the zone control box and replace it with ours to control it with your iphone/android or web browser 829084;1410731285;jdanks;you can get true control out of your zoning. i recall those boxes get pretty expensive when you want three timers 829085;1410731303;jdanks;and it's three timers to share amongst 5 or so circuits 829086;1410731347;RagnarsBitch;Ooh cool. Ok, enough farmer talk for now bud..I know you geek out on this stuff 829087;1410731393;X-Rob;chalbersma: [2014-09-15 07:49:28] Pool 1 difficulty changed to 1.0 829088;1410731393;X-Rob;[2014-09-15 07:49:28] Pool 1 stratum+tcp://104.131.60.126:8559 alive, testing stability 829089;1410731430;chalbersma;Okay I think I changed the max difficulty. 829090;1410731439;jdanks;Yes, and just incase the room didn't know I sell eggs for BTC. organic fresh chicken eggs. sometimes produce but not really (; 829091;1410731604;kakobrekla;are you chickens legal? 829092;1410731669;X-Rob;chalbersma: you want to change the MINIMUM difficulty, not the MAXIMUM 829093;1410731679;chalbersma;Ahh that makes sense. 829094;1410731683;chalbersma;Let me give that a try 829095;1410731691;kakobrekla;mininum? 829096;1410731715;jdanks;kakobrekla they use to not be but they are now! not a certified farm so i can't sell at farmers markets but who needs those! 829097;1410731778;kakobrekla;so its legal until its illegal? 829098;1410731833;jdanks;apparently in Los Angeles we have a city ordinance allowing animal control to dictate the minimum distance to be from a "dwelling", which is about 30 ft for hens and 100 ft for cocks 829099;1410731852;jdanks;I assume animal control could make it illegal any day they want 829100;1410731986;X-Rob;chalbersma: [2014-09-15 07:59:31] Pool 1 difficulty changed to 0.0 829101;1410731986;X-Rob;[2014-09-15 07:59:31] Pool 1 stratum+tcp://104.131.60.126:8559 alive, testing stability 829102;1410731990;X-Rob;that's not good 829103;1410732185;chalbersma;Let me undo my last change 829104;1410732602;X-Rob;chalbersma: It's still accepting 1 difficulty shares as a valid p2pool block 829105;1410732680;chalbersma;SANE_TARGET_RANGE = (2**256//2**32//1000000 - 1, 2**256//2**32 - 1) 829106;1410732698;chalbersma;it's Min then Max right? 829107;1410732712;X-Rob;you'd think so, yeah 829108;1410732736;chalbersma;SANE_TARGET_RANGE = (2**1024//2**32//1000000 - 1, 2**256//2**32 - 1) 829109;1410732741;chalbersma;So this should increase that number. 829110;1410732759;X-Rob;Mmm 829111;1410732760;X-Rob;that' 829112;1410732767;X-Rob;that's not going to be right 829113;1410732826;jdanks;http://www.redpepper.co.ug/african-businessman-dies-after-being-raped-by-his-5-wives/ i'm sure mircea will go this way with more like 500 instead of 5 and slaves instead of wives 829114;1410732827;assbot;African Businessman Dies After Being Raped By His 5 Wives | Red Pepper | Breaking News | Uganda News | Gossip | News | Technology | Museveni | Besigye | OPM | Cranes | 829115;1410732866;mircea_popescu;jdanks if it was gonna happen it'd have happened by now 829116;1410732893;X-Rob;I'm not sure about the being beaten by sticks paart 829117;1410732900;X-Rob;but the rest doesn't sound that bad. 829118;1410732904;jdanks;they were threatening to do so 829119;1410732925;jdanks;death by snu snu! 829120;1410733021;mircea_popescu;sticks and stones may break my boners... 829121;1410733742;TheNewDeal;5 of the wives ran into the forrest following the sex marathon of death 829122;1410733788;artifexd;http://www.pornhub.com/view_video.php?viewkey=1683533477 << Bitcoin news? 829123;1410733788;assbot;401 Authorization Required 829124;1410734154;mircea_popescu;TheNewDeal looking for boarcock 829125;1410734156;nubbins`;mircea_popescu yeah it seems like they just sort of gave it up rather than "what you guys are doing is okay" etc 829126;1410734165;mircea_popescu;yeah 829127;1410734196;nubbins`;from what little i know, it seems like they were essentially issuing mining bonds or similar 829128;1410734233;nubbins`;no doubt the entire thing was a lot of back-and-forth over semantics 829129;1410734363;mircea_popescu;"so i call the suicide helpline and they don't want to fucking help. they keep going about how they're there to help people NOT kill themselves. fucking scam. call it suicide fail line dudes!" 829130;1410735048;TheNewDeal;artifexd that's some good exposure for bitcoin - wish she would have talked about some worthwhile stuff as oppposed to openbazaar etc. would be kinda nice to have pornhub integrate 829131;1410735080;mircea_popescu;pornhub ?! 829132;1410735179;TheNewDeal;I'm not saying they are integrating 829133;1410735197;artifexd;"exposure" lol 829134;1410735199;TheNewDeal;it was just one chick showing her titties and talking about some piece of shit bitcoin companies like open bazaar 829135;1410735201;TheNewDeal;:D 829136;1410735235;mircea_popescu;ya srsly, what's the big deal with pornhub lol. 829137;1410735260;TheNewDeal;it's like the porn website with the most views per day 829138;1410735282;mircea_popescu;sooooo.... 829139;1410735327;TheNewDeal;#77 in alexa worldwide... 829140;1410735352;mircea_popescu;what do you think this is, 2010 and anyone's not yet heard of bitcoin or something ? 829141;1410735475;TheNewDeal;I enjoy it when good companies pick up bitcoin, especially ones that are well suited for using it as a payment system 829142;1410735546;mircea_popescu;well sure. 829143;1410736446;TheNewDeal;Hoipster had a sweet limerick, if that was his creation 829144;1410736542;mircea_popescu;masterlimerick. 829145;1410736691;TheNewDeal;looks like it wasn't his creation http://forums.xkcd.com/viewtopic.php?f=14&t=58738&start=40 829146;1410736691;assbot;xkcd • View topic - The Anti-Joke thread. 829147;1410736798;mircea_popescu;!up transfix 829148;1410736800;mircea_popescu;nice find. 829149;1410736822;mircea_popescu;course... it could be him. 829150;1410736954;mircea_popescu;pretty cool thread anyway lol 829151;1410736977;TheNewDeal;possible. googling it goes back further, to 2008. I can't find the original 829152;1410738085;mircea_popescu;if there's a wanna-be writer reading here, looking desperately for that divine spark of literary genius, that exceptional idea that'll drag him out of the muck of his anonimity into the glory of the parnassus : 829153;1410738097;mircea_popescu;write fucking melds. take two classics and write them together. 829154;1410738104;mircea_popescu;start with a lolita - animal farm meld. i'd read it. 829155;1410738136;mircea_popescu;1984 - wizard of oz should be pretty fucking trippy too. 829156;1410738176;mircea_popescu;the space 829157;1410738197;mircea_popescu;'s quite vast. gargantua & pantagruel around the world in 80 days can even be done straight in french. 829158;1410738201;mircea_popescu;for canadians. 829159;1410738265;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 17 @ 0.18999402 = 3.2299 BTC [-] {4} 829160;1410738753;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8235 @ 0.00076381 = 6.29 BTC [+] 829161;1410738814;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18465 @ 0.00076677 = 14.1584 BTC [+] 829162;1410739586;mircea_popescu;!up thaMan 829163;1410741498;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 45224 @ 0.00076814 = 34.7384 BTC [+] {3} 829164;1410741976;BingoBoingo;%d 829165;1410741977;atcbot;[ATC Diff] Current Diff: 1878190.93 Est. Next Diff: 289554.88 in 1147 blocks (#46368) Est. % Change: -84.58 829166;1410745164;decimation;asciilifeform: I found a cheap solution to my ref. osc. dilemma: http://www.ebay.com/itm/BC635PCI-U-OCXO-BC635PCI-U-Non-GPS-Universal-Signaling-/131278970326?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item1e90d61dd6 829167;1410745166;assbot;BC635PCI U OCXO BC635PCI U Non GPS Universal Signaling | eBay 829168;1410745187;decimation;pci card with 10 mhz ocxo on board, plus all the logic to discipline to 1 pps input 829169;1410745229;decimation;;;ident artibot 829170;1410745229;gribble;Error: I am not seeing this user on IRC. If you want information about a registered gpg user, try the 'gpg info' command instead. 829171;1410745247;decimation;;;ident []bot 829172;1410745248;gribble;Error: "" is not a valid command. 829173;1410745258;artifexd;It isn't gribble authed 829174;1410745268;decimation;how does it have +v then? 829175;1410745274;artifexd;'tis a bot 829176;1410745288;artifexd;kakobrekla added a special exception for it 829177;1410745298;decimation;ah 829178;1410745312;artifexd;Or maybe because it has a /bot cloak. Honestly, I'm not sure. 829179;1410745463;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18950 @ 0.00076331 = 14.4647 BTC [-] 829180;1410745939;ben_vulpes;dafuq's up with freenode 829181;1410745989;decimation;ben_vulpes: yeah crazy lag 829182;1410746266;ben_vulpes;jdanks: do you wash your eggs? 829183;1410746472;ben_vulpes;lol @ real-time p2pool testing 829184;1410746483;ben_vulpes;"hey guys i turned this software on, can one of you test it for me" 829185;1410746959;ben_vulpes;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7xwkGNVOhNw#t=60 829186;1410746959;assbot;Push the Button Max! - YouTube 829187;1410747438;BingoBoingo;https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/2g5d0l/did_you_buy_something_from_bitcoinpaperwalletcom/ 829188;1410747439;assbot;Did you buy something from BitcoinPaperWallet.com yesterday? Please contact me. *** BitPay is broken right now *** and it apparently took your money but discarded your shipping address, email, name, etc. Who are you? : Bitcoin 829189;1410747973;asciilifeform;decimation: where's the 'oven' ? 829190;1410747980;asciilifeform;decimation: i don't see it. 829191;1410748066;decimation;it's that metal can marked 'miller' with 10 MHz on it 829192;1410748289;decimation;I believe it is an 'MTI' 210-0501 http://www.mti-milliren.com/pdfs/210.pdf 829193;1410748513;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 55 @ 0.01049693 = 0.5773 BTC [+] {2} 829194;1410748547;artifexd;decimation: If you're curious, gribble would have responded to ;;ident "[]bot" like so 829195;1410748552;artifexd;;;ident "[]bot" 829196;1410748552;gribble;Nick '[]bot', with hostmask '[]bot!~artibot@unaffiliated/artifexd/bot/artibot', is not identified. 829197;1410748582;decimation;I was wondering if the [] needed escaping 829198;1410748614;artifexd;There used to be a guy in here who's nick was [\\\] just to fuck with people. 829199;1410749001;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17250 @ 0.00076331 = 13.1671 BTC [-] 829200;1410749871;nubbins`;artifexd: imsaguy 829201;1410749889;artifexd;huh? 829202;1410749911;artifexd;Oh. The [\\\\] dude 829203;1410749936;nubbins`;nod 829204;1410750587;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21971 @ 0.00076544 = 16.8175 BTC [+] 829205;1410750709;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 39401 @ 0.0007627 = 30.0511 BTC [-] {2} 829206;1410755040;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 269 @ 0.00620204 = 1.6683 BTC [+] {4} 829207;1410756138;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 36500 @ 0.00075723 = 27.6389 BTC [-] {2} 829208;1410758456;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10172 @ 0.00076502 = 7.7818 BTC [+] 829209;1410761650;jdanks;ben_vulpes: jdanks: do you wash your eggs? << I rinse them with water and scrub them with a brush if there is shit or yolk from borked eggs. no bleachin or anything unnatural 829210;1410761736;ben_vulpes;im mostly interested in the shell + external coating integrity 829211;1410761780;jdanks;you take them as calcium supplements? 829212;1410761848;BingoBoingo;washed eggshells tend to be more permeable and allow enhanced opportunities for contamination. 829213;1410761872;jdanks;that's what i hear, but what can ya do really? people don't like poop 829214;1410761934;jdanks;i've heard of a few grandmas who will just crack an egg straight into a pan and scoop the poop out if it falls in accidentally. gross that i've heard that more than once imo 829215;1410763708;punkman;washed eggs don't keep long, 'tis folk wisdom 829216;1410763802;punkman;jdans, just brushing them should be better 829217;1410764556;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30122 @ 0.00076064 = 22.912 BTC [-] 829218;1410765837;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15578 @ 0.00076097 = 11.8544 BTC [+] {2} 829219;1410765898;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15521 @ 0.00076167 = 11.8219 BTC [+] 829220;1410767301;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5900 @ 0.00076167 = 4.4939 BTC [+] 829221;1410769070;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 32000 @ 0.00076098 = 24.3514 BTC [-] {2} 829222;1410771998;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10910 @ 0.00076167 = 8.3098 BTC [+] 829223;1410773279;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 82 @ 0.179 = 14.678 BTC [-] {3} 829224;1410773584;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18200 @ 0.00076403 = 13.9053 BTC [+] 829225;1410777793;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8200 @ 0.00075975 = 6.23 BTC [-] 829226;1410778452;mircea_popescu;heh look at that, xapo traded. iiiincredible 829227;1410782186;penguirker;New blog post: http://trilema.com/2014/bulwer-lytton/ 829228;1410782342;xmj;moin 829229;1410782789;nubbins`;hi 829230;1410782862;nubbins`;new blog post, in which mp discovers marijuana 829231;1410783181;mircea_popescu;fu i discovered marijuana before you were born! 829232;1410783215;mircea_popescu;eleventy 829233;1410783395;*;nubbins` raises eyebrows 829234;1410783403;nubbins`;3yo romanian kid smoking weed 829235;1410783426;nubbins`;eastern yoorup isn't what i thought it was 829236;1410783568;jurov;what didja thought? 829237;1410783601;kakobrekla;by 3 he got out of rehab 829238;1410783954;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12201 @ 0.00075991 = 9.2717 BTC [+] 829239;1410785829;mircea_popescu;!s roth 829240;1410785830;assbot;8 results for 'roth' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=roth 829241;1410785877;nubbins`;"tim roth, pre-tupac" 829242;1410787220;kakobrekla;http://www.theverge.com/2014/9/15/6151477/microsoft-minecraft-mojang-acquisition 829243;1410787221;assbot;Microsoft confirms it will buy 'Minecraft' for $2.5 billion | The Verge 829244;1410787588;mircea_popescu;wtf. what's wrong with those suckers, didn't they hear some shitty app sold for 120 bn ? 829245;1410787622;mircea_popescu;minecraft is popular and everything 829246;1410787706;penguirker;New blog post: http://trilema.com/2014/un-prophete/ 829247;1410788162;thestringpuller;mircea_popescu: do you know how many copies minecraft has sold? 829248;1410788169;thestringpuller;;;google minecraft sales 829249;1410788170;gribble;Minecraft Stats: ; Minecraft - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: ; Minecraft Console Sales Pass PC, Series Nears 54 Million Copies ...: 829250;1410788183;mircea_popescu;i know watsapp sold ~0, so there is that. 829251;1410788208;thestringpuller;exactly 829252;1410788224;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [DEALCO] 394 @ 0.00172561 = 0.6799 BTC [-] {23} 829253;1410788231;thestringpuller;lol minecraft is valued less though it generates more revenue than an application that doesn't generate any revenue at all... 829254;1410788272;mircea_popescu;so why im saying, total idiots sellign for 2.5 bn. what's wrong with 1.5 trillion ? 829255;1410788469;thestringpuller;cause notch isn't a ceo... 829256;1410788480;thestringpuller;http://pastebin.com/n1qTeikM 829257;1410788480;assbot;I'm leaving Mojang I dont see myself as a real game developer. I make game - Pastebin.com 829258;1410788537;thestringpuller;notch is like the woz of games... 829259;1410788634;mircea_popescu;poster child for the puritan failure to create a worldview. 829260;1410788650;thestringpuller;how so? 829261;1410788705;mircea_popescu;dja know who mehmed 2 was ? 829262;1410788770;thestringpuller;the conquerer? 829263;1410788781;thestringpuller;i learned about him in school... 829264;1410788839;mircea_popescu;mkay. he was made a sultan at 13. the hungarians did some elaborate mental gymnastics to arrive at the conclusion that breaking their treaty was not really breaking their treaty. 829265;1410788861;mircea_popescu;the 13 yo sultan wrote to his long retired father, "if you are the sultan, come and lead the army. if i am the sultan, i command you to come and lead my army" 829266;1410788889;mircea_popescu;your english speaking "computer geek" is less able than a 13 yo barely literate ottoman. 829267;1410788889;thestringpuller;i see. 829268;1410788902;thestringpuller;yes. so he has microsoft lead his army? 829269;1410788908;mircea_popescu;who actually lived before calvin was even invented. 829270;1410788956;mircea_popescu;microsoft is a ladislaw-huniyad meld looking for its varna. 829271;1410789170;thestringpuller;mircea_popescu: you remind me of Alhazen 829272;1410789216;mircea_popescu;well i don't have the good hats. 829273;1410790975;ben_vulpes;hunyadi? 829274;1410791089;mircea_popescu;yea that 829275;1410791122;ben_vulpes;http://i.imgur.com/EdiGnlU.jpg 829276;1410791192;mircea_popescu;why's obama being helped down the stairs lol 829277;1410791197;nubbins`;putin dgaf about helping the queen down the stairs 829278;1410791198;nubbins`;hahah 829279;1410791213;nubbins`;they're starting a congo line, guy in the back left 829280;1410791230;mircea_popescu;anyway, merkel kicks ass in that pic. 829281;1410791240;mircea_popescu;if i were her that's what i'd put on twitter. 829282;1410791249;nubbins`;yep 829283;1410791261;nubbins`;calculating the fallout from a hard shove 829284;1410791291;mircea_popescu;nah, she's like, being propositioned by the frenchies 829285;1410791304;mircea_popescu;and she's like ^-* 829286;1410791335;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19199 @ 0.00076147 = 14.6195 BTC [+] {2} 829287;1410791368;nubbins`;putin is funnier the more i look 829288;1410791372;nubbins`;;;google the cheese stands alone 829289;1410791373;gribble;The Farmer in the Dell - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: ; The Cheese Stands Alone - Gatherer - Wizards of the Coast: ; The Cheese STANDS ALONE!!!!!!! - YouTube: 829290;1410791406;mircea_popescu;anyway, the queen totally fucking lost it. i mean seriously, capot inflorat with gloves and hat ? 829291;1410791449;nubbins`;it's a shame they don't put that shit on the money 829292;1410791621;nubbins`;guy in -otc looking for "investors" so he can buy some sort of mining hw 829293;1410791632;mircea_popescu;wcpgw. 829294;1410791636;nubbins`;his btcjam profile has two "recommendations" from friends. the second one commences thus: 829295;1410791638;nubbins`;"He is good at selling weed, fucking lolitas and doing magic with linux" 829296;1410791644;mircea_popescu;o.O 829297;1410791660;nubbins`;my sides 829298;1410791662;mircea_popescu;is this the new street cool btw ? weed, lolitas and linux ? 829299;1410791678;mircea_popescu;WLL, the MLLnium generation ? 829300;1410791687;nubbins`;selling weed is only cool in the eyes of teenage girls 829301;1410791698;nubbins`;;;google willennium 829302;1410791699;gribble;Willennium - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: ; Amazon.com: Willennium: Music: ; Will Smith - Will 2k (Willennium) - YouTube: 829303;1410791951;pete_dushenski;;;later tell jurov is it still causing havoc? i'm using the only coinbr referral code i have… 829304;1410791951;gribble;The operation succeeded. 829305;1410791993;pete_dushenski;http://contravex.com/2014/09/14/peter-diamandis-is-a-lab-modified-organism/ 829306;1410791994;assbot;Peter Diamandis Is A Lab Modified Organism | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski 829307;1410792008;pete_dushenski;^because penguirker no me gusta 829308;1410792039;pete_dushenski;affairs being tended to, good morning! 829309;1410792111;pete_dushenski;mircea_popescu: heh look at that, xapo traded. iiiincredible << yw ;) 829310;1410792616;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17450 @ 0.00075707 = 13.2109 BTC [-] {2} 829311;1410792627;pete_dushenski;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=leZHiNnBpVk 829312;1410792627;assbot;ABC "After These Messages We'll Be Right Back" Cowboy - 1988 Bumper - YouTube 829313;1410793470;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 47900 @ 0.00075577 = 36.2014 BTC [-] {2} 829314;1410795605;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16727 @ 0.00075551 = 12.6374 BTC [-] 829315;1410795666;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 67381 @ 0.00075259 = 50.7103 BTC [-] {4} 829316;1410795849;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13800 @ 0.00075596 = 10.4322 BTC [+] 829317;1410795856;chetty;http://welfaretales.wordpress.com/ 829318;1410795857;assbot;Benefit tales | stories from the frontline of benefit changes in the UK in 2013. 829319;1410796392;mircea_popescu;http://welfaretales.wordpress.com/2014/09/09/212000-people-beaten-up-for-being-on-benefits-shocking-survey-reveals/ 829320;1410796393;assbot;212,000 People Beaten Up For Being On Benefits, Shocking Survey Reveals | Benefit tales 829321;1410796395;mircea_popescu;better link 829322;1410796398;mircea_popescu;200k is just the beginning. 829323;1410796737;pete_dushenski;heh 829324;1410796825;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] [PAID] 5.18644588 BTC to 1`149`988 shares, 451 satoshi per share 829325;1410796844;mircea_popescu;sooo for some uncomp[rehensible reason, from trilema does not lead to the page, but to the main page 829326;1410796851;mircea_popescu;i guess tvtropes loses all its trilema links now. 829327;1410796882;jdanks;could be some kind of apache mod_rewrite rules 829328;1410796884;pete_dushenski;https://docs.google.com/file/d/0B8nhAlfIk3QITzRldUlkaUgyR3c/edit 829329;1410796884;assbot;PCParity3.pdf - Google Drive 829330;1410796912;pete_dushenski;^Unique Option Pricing Measure With Neither Dynamic Hedging nor Complete Markets, by Taleb 829331;1410796922;mircea_popescu;jdanks yes, it is, quite clearly, because if you search for the page title and go from google it delivers it 829332;1410796927;mircea_popescu;but if you go to the same url directly it does not 829333;1410796941;mircea_popescu;which sort of idiotic ineptitude is exactly why things becoming popular has such a bad name. 829334;1410796952;mircea_popescu;it used to be a great resource five years ago, back when nobody knew about it. 829335;1410797009;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] [PAID] 1.29789742 BTC to 15`398 shares, 8429 satoshi per share 829336;1410797013;mircea_popescu;then derps started to edit articles, because hey, derps wanna be part of things, resulting in a marked decrease in quality over time. by now, derps are "managing" things, because hey, derp gotta derp. 829337;1410797024;pete_dushenski;https://twitter.com/nntaleb/status/511306451919568897 << or with mircea_popescu to eradicate bitcoin 829338;1410797025;assbot;The US partnering with Saudi Arabia to eradicate Islamic intolerance is equivalent to partnering with John Gotti to eradicate the mafia. 829339;1410797031;mircea_popescu;im so sick of this equalitarian world it can't be put into words. 829340;1410797050;mircea_popescu;pete_dushenski say wut ? 829341;1410797066;mircea_popescu;o ic 829342;1410797069;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [ROCK] [PAID] 4.55446000 BTC to 455`446 shares, 1000 satoshi per share 829343;1410797076;pete_dushenski;mircea_popescu: lol ya 829344;1410797374;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23653 @ 0.00075633 = 17.8895 BTC [+] 829345;1410797517;mike_c;you think they put in a mod_rewrite for trilema that redirects to homepage? that makes little sense. 829346;1410797519;pete_dushenski;jurov: “The proportion of men must be reduced to and maintained at approximately 10% of the human race.†<< this is dr. strangelove's mineshaft proposal, neh? 829347;1410797531;mircea_popescu;mike_c more like, if not from our page or google, redirect 829348;1410797569;peterl;and word on when F.DERP will start trading? 829349;1410797577;mircea_popescu;tbh i don't care specifically what they did, they're not paying me to consult. i just care i clicked a link in an article and it doesn't go now where it go when i put it there, so that's that : out goes the link and the venue is banned 829350;1410797586;mircea_popescu;peterl started a while back neh ? 829351;1410797598;mike_c;link on this page works for me: http://trilema.com/2009/in-calitate-de-antropolog/ 829352;1410797600;assbot;In calitate de antropolog pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. 829353;1410797626;mircea_popescu;for me 2. 829354;1410797676;mircea_popescu;http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/OlderThanTheyLook‎ << where does this take you ? 829355;1410797677;assbot;Home Page - Television Tropes & Idioms 829356;1410797681;mircea_popescu;aha. 829357;1410797688;mircea_popescu;;;google OlderThanTheyLook‎ 829358;1410797688;gribble;Main/Older than They Look - Television Tropes & Idioms: ; OlderThanTheyLook/REALLIFE - Television Tropes & Idioms: ; 10 Celebrities Who Are Older Than You Think | Women's Health ...: